Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee public hearing, January 7, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Rogers: Good morning, everyone. We're just going to wait a minute while people continue to arrive,

[0:00:05] Trustee Rogers: and then we'll start the meeting. We now are up to 27 attendees, and they've been coming

[0:00:11] Trustee Rogers: in relatively steadily.

[0:00:29] Voice 31: We have one hand up.

[0:00:31] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I see it. I'm just going to wait until I commence the meeting, and then I'll see

[0:00:35] Voice 31: what

[0:00:35] Trustee Rogers: Ms. Henrich wishes.

[0:00:38] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, yeah.

[0:00:50] Trustee Rogers: Maybe I'll just ask, Will, can you unmute Carol if it's a technical issue, if it's something

[0:00:56] Trustee Rogers: to do with the meeting itself i'll postpone it until we start if it's a technical issue carol

[0:01:02] Trustee Rogers: can you help yourself and uh advise why miss heimrich i just

[0:01:08] Voice 15: want to be one of the i just

[0:01:09] Voice 15: am requesting to be one of the speakers okay

[0:01:12] Trustee Rogers: well we'll get to that in about 15 minutes so

[0:01:14] Trustee Rogers: you can put your hand down or you can leave it

[0:01:17] Trustee Rogers: thank you we i'm expecting you will be one of

[0:01:21] Trustee Rogers: many okay um i see we have 31 attendees so far this morning um so i'm going to start it will

[0:01:30] Trustee Rogers: take us a few minutes to get into the actual uh public hearing itself do we have the um

[0:01:35] Trustee Rogers: uh the applicant and mr scott here i haven't seen yet but let me scroll down

[0:01:42] Trustee Rogers: uh i don't see them actually i see

[0:01:48] Voice 31: there's nancy is here i see

[0:01:50] Voice 19: nancy and

[0:01:52] Voice 31: ian scott i think is there

[0:01:53] Voice 31: there

[0:01:53] Voice 19: he is he's got his hand

[0:01:55] Voice 19: raised okay

[0:01:56] Trustee Rogers: could you just promote them for a moment please and uh

[0:01:59] Trustee Rogers: maybe i would ask them not to turn their cameras on just yet sure um so good morning everyone uh

[0:02:07] Trustee Rogers: this is the thank you for joining us today for this electronic um special meeting uh of the

[0:02:14] Trustee Rogers: gabriola island local trust committee uh i'm pleased to see that we have um at least 32

[0:02:22] Trustee Rogers: to attendees as well as the people that are part of the meeting well we will be holding a uh a

[0:02:29] Trustee Rogers: public hearing during this special meeting where you can share your views about proposed bylaws

[0:02:36] Trustee Rogers: 306 307 and 308 and i'll come back to that of course if it's played in more detail i'd like to

[0:02:41] Trustee Rogers: begin this meeting by acknowledging um with respect and with appreciation that we are extremely

[0:02:48] Trustee Rogers: fortunate to be able to gather today in locations across the traditional territory of the Coast

[0:02:53] Trustee Rogers: Salish people. And for those of you on Gabriola Island, lovely Gabriola Island, which I regret

[0:03:01] Trustee Rogers: not being able to be there, you're in the traditional territory, of course, of the

[0:03:05] Trustee Rogers: Tsunamik people. I come to you today from the traditional territories of the Musqueam,

[0:03:13] Trustee Rogers: I'm Slay with Tooth and Squamish peoples.

[0:03:15] Trustee Rogers: I'm not traveling and so I'm in a location

[0:03:19] Trustee Rogers: in Vancouver in order to accommodate

[0:03:24] Trustee Rogers: and deal with this special meeting.

[0:03:30] Trustee Rogers: My name is Dan Rogers and I'm elected on Keats Island

[0:03:35] Trustee Rogers: in Howe Sound, Alcatsum.

[0:03:38] Trustee Rogers: And I'm a member of the executive committee

[0:03:41] Trustee Rogers: and therefore has been assigned with great respect

[0:03:45] Trustee Rogers: and privilege as the chair

[0:03:47] Trustee Rogers: of the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:03:50] Trustee Rogers: Today, we're joined by, of course,

[0:03:52] Trustee Rogers: your two Gabriel Island trustees,

[0:03:56] Trustee Rogers: Scott Colborne and Case Longer Eyes.

[0:04:01] Trustee Rogers: I'm sure you know them both well,

[0:04:04] Trustee Rogers: and together we make up

[0:04:06] Trustee Rogers: the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:04:10] Trustee Rogers: this meeting is being conducted electronically in accordance with public health orders

[0:04:16] Trustee Rogers: we i don't need to go into the details of that i'm sure all of you are well aware of the situation

[0:04:23] Trustee Rogers: in british columbia and and the public health directives regarding travel and and work and

[0:04:29] Trustee Rogers: essential travel it's being recorded you may i don't know if it shows up on your screen it does

[0:04:36] Trustee Rogers: on mine that it's being being recorded and live streamed and you can uh join it on um on the

[0:04:45] Trustee Rogers: actual zoom platform as we are um so um if you go to the islands trust gabriola web page it has all

[0:04:55] Trustee Rogers: the various ways that you can and look there you it has all the various ways in which you can join

[0:05:01] Trustee Rogers: this meeting you're also able to phone in if you cannot you don't have computer access as well

[0:05:08] Trustee Rogers: and or you're having difficulty with the zoom platform as well as being recorded this will be

[0:05:13] Trustee Rogers: uploaded onto the website the public hearing will be uploaded onto the website in a few days

[0:05:18] Trustee Rogers: that depends on the availability of staff since we are all joining remotely

[0:05:25] Trustee Rogers: remotely uh we may have challenges from time to time those are that's an issue occasionally

[0:05:31] Trustee Rogers: people have trouble unmuting occasionally we have our own technical challenges um and we work our

[0:05:38] Trustee Rogers: way through those but i hope everyone will be remember the situation is still remains unique

[0:05:42] Trustee Rogers: and unfamiliar and is not certainly my first choice on how to conduct a public hearing but in

[0:05:50] Trustee Rogers: In the context of the pandemic, we are doing what we can, and we hope you will all be understanding

[0:05:57] Trustee Rogers: and supportive of our efforts to continue with our public process and our public consultation

[0:06:04] Trustee Rogers: process.

[0:06:06] Trustee Rogers: I will get to, when we get to the public hearing portion of the agenda, how you can join the

[0:06:13] Trustee Rogers: conversation, because today, in most meetings, you will hear from me a lot and from the trustees

[0:06:18] Trustee Rogers: a lot.

[0:06:19] Trustee Rogers: But today during the public hearing, this is an opportunity for us to hear from you. So mostly

[0:06:24] Trustee Rogers: we will be muted or be remaining quiet during the course of the public hearing and we'll be

[0:06:31] Trustee Rogers: listening today to you.

[0:06:33] Trustee Rogers: We appreciate your understanding assistance and we hope there

[0:06:38] Trustee Rogers: will not be any technical challenges that come up, but we will work through them.

[0:06:41] Trustee Rogers: We have some staff members joining us today. You will see them from time to time on the screen.

[0:06:49] Trustee Rogers: First of all, you'll have Will Cottingham, who, there she is.

[0:06:53] Trustee Rogers: Will is the mastermind behind the scenes.

[0:06:55] Trustee Rogers: You probably will hear me talk to Will from time to time.

[0:06:59] Trustee Rogers: She is running the technology behind the scenes.

[0:07:02] Trustee Rogers: Will will be assisting me as we get to the public hearing portion of the component to

[0:07:06] Trustee Rogers: ensure that we're fair and we have people, people have an opportunity to speak.

[0:07:12] Trustee Rogers: So thank you, Will, but mostly Will will have her camera on.

[0:07:15] Trustee Rogers: You also have Nadine Moreau, who's our minute taker.

[0:07:19] Trustee Rogers: Hi, Nadine.

[0:07:19] Trustee Rogers: Nice to see you.

[0:07:20] Trustee Rogers: Happy New Year.

[0:07:21] Trustee Rogers: Nadine will be taking minutes of this meeting, but again, mostly she will have her camera

[0:07:25] Trustee Rogers: off.

[0:07:26] Trustee Rogers: I'm sure many of you know her as well.

[0:07:29] Trustee Rogers: And you then have the two planning staff.

[0:07:32] Trustee Rogers: You have Heather Cower, who's the regional planning manager, and Jamie DiBena, who is

[0:07:39] Trustee Rogers: the planner assigned to this particular file.

[0:07:42] Trustee Rogers: I expect they may have their camera off from time to time, but we'll be here, and you will hear particularly from Jamie during the course of the public hearing as she presents the outline of the process.

[0:08:03] Trustee Rogers: I will say this now, just to be clear, but when we get to the public hearing, I will repeat some of what I'm about to say.

[0:08:12] Trustee Rogers: I want to remind everyone present, and we now have looks like 36 people. Thank you very much

[0:08:18] Trustee Rogers: for attending. Then I want to remind everybody that this is a place of employment for all of

[0:08:24] Trustee Rogers: the people that I just introduced. And we are required and I am committed to keeping this as

[0:08:32] Trustee Rogers: a safe place of employment for everyone. So that everyone is entitled to be treated with respect

[0:08:39] Trustee Rogers: and with consideration during the course of the meeting.

[0:08:45] Trustee Rogers: And that's my role to keep that situation in place.

[0:08:51] Trustee Rogers: I'm committed to doing that.

[0:08:53] Trustee Rogers: In addition, it's a place of public gathering,

[0:08:56] Trustee Rogers: and it will also be a place where I'm insistent that everyone feels safe

[0:09:01] Trustee Rogers: and respected throughout the course of the meeting today.

[0:09:05] Trustee Rogers: I will be laying out a few of my expectations of your actions during the public comment period.

[0:09:14] Trustee Rogers: But as a reminder, our staff have a right, an illegal right, and an appropriate right to expect a safe and respectful work.

[0:09:25] Trustee Rogers: So, having said all of that, before we start the meeting, I'll just ask the trustees,

[0:09:34] Trustee Rogers: these do you do either of you wish to say anything at the outset before we uh launch into the formal

[0:09:40] Trustee Rogers: part of the meeting um trustee colburn no trustee longer eyes yeah

[0:09:44] Voice 31: i just i just wanted to thank

[0:09:46] Voice 31: everyone for the input that's occurring over the last what eight months i guess and there's been a

[0:09:52] Voice 31: lot of input now and uh varying views and that's good the more and the more input the better thank

[0:09:58] Voice 31: thank

[0:09:58] Trustee Rogers: you for that um so i have an agenda and just for if anybody saw a excuse me an earlier

[0:10:06] Trustee Rogers: version of this agenda there's been a slight a modification to the agenda in that we it was

[0:10:11] Trustee Rogers: requested and i agreed as an information piece but not part of the public hearing to have a brief

[0:10:17] Trustee Rogers: presentation by the applicant um i understand it's it's less than five minutes uh by mr scott

[0:10:24] Trustee Rogers: and I'll be introducing them in a moment. Beyond that, do either of the trustees have any

[0:10:31] Trustee Rogers: amendments to the agenda as presented? Nothing. So I'll take the agenda adopted as presented.

[0:10:38] Trustee Rogers: So just so members of the public are aware, so the intention is, and I say that because

[0:10:48] Trustee Rogers: because intentions can change.

[0:10:50] Trustee Rogers: The intention is that we will have this brief presentation

[0:10:55] Trustee Rogers: from the Gabriel, the applicant,

[0:10:57] Trustee Rogers: the Gabriel O'Hallies and Society.

[0:10:59] Trustee Rogers: We will then open the public hearing.

[0:11:01] Trustee Rogers: So that all will occur.

[0:11:04] Trustee Rogers: There will be a process through which we go

[0:11:06] Trustee Rogers: through the public hearing.

[0:11:08] Trustee Rogers: If we conclude the public hearing,

[0:11:10] Trustee Rogers: the intention is the motion that was passed

[0:11:13] Trustee Rogers: in December, I believe,

[0:11:17] Trustee Rogers: was that we would then break for a minimum of three hours or till four o'clock, whichever

[0:11:22] Trustee Rogers: occurs first. And then we will come back to the meeting and we will conclude the meeting with

[0:11:30] Trustee Rogers: number five by consideration of what we wish to do based on what we'd heard during the public

[0:11:36] Trustee Rogers: hearing. There are a number of options that are available to us at that point, including giving

[0:11:41] Trustee Rogers: giving further readings to some of the bylaws.

[0:11:44] Trustee Rogers: And we will decide that,

[0:11:46] Trustee Rogers: the intention is that we will then decide that later on

[0:11:49] Trustee Rogers: during the course of today.

[0:11:53] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so that's the agenda has been adopted.

[0:11:58] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to now ask if I think Mr. Scott

[0:12:02] Trustee Rogers: and Ms. Catherine Pierce have been promoted.

[0:12:06] Trustee Rogers: So whomever is going to make the short presentation

[0:12:09] Trustee Rogers: before we start the public hearing I invite you to turn your cameras on and to do that so

[0:12:18] Trustee Rogers: hopefully that technology works I see Mr. Scott is turning his camera hello Mr. Scott

[0:12:24] Trustee Rogers: happy new year and I understand that you may be making you may be doing this brief presentation

[0:12:31] Trustee Rogers: and hopefully will and you would like to be able to share your screen is that correct

[0:12:36] Voice 9: that's correct thank you uh uh trustee rogers yeah i have a presentation just right around five

[0:12:41] Voice 9: minutes um uh and i'm going to try to share my screen now happy new year to everybody uh thank

[0:12:53] Voice 9: you once again for having me and having us okay

[0:13:00] Trustee Rogers: i see the sorry

[0:13:12] Voice 9: just having a share screen

[0:13:14] Voice 9: challenges there you go so thanks again for having me my name is uh ian scott for everybody

[0:13:27] Voice 9: On the line, I'm a professional planner and development consultant working with the

[0:13:31] Voice 9: Gabriola Housing Society, working to implement their vision for affordable, comfortable and

[0:13:36] Voice 9: secure rental housing on Paisley Place. We thought it was important just to take a few moments to

[0:13:41] Voice 9: reiterate the key messages that we presented at the community information meeting before the

[0:13:45] Voice 9: holiday break for those who weren't able to attend. Firstly, there is significant need for

[0:13:52] Voice 9: affordable housing on Gabriola. It's faced with the same kind of nationwide and province-wide

[0:13:57] Voice 9: housing crisis issues. Rents and housing prices have been rising much faster than incomes which

[0:14:03] Voice 9: means that as documented by the housing needs assessment for Gabriola there are a lot of people

[0:14:09] Voice 9: who are struggling with housing prices and finding secure and comfortable housing. The housing needs

[0:14:14] Voice 9: assessment documented over 200 households who are living with unaffordable rents on Gabriola.

[0:14:20] Voice 9: The Gabriola Housing Society is a non-profit organization who are well placed to deliver

[0:14:24] Voice 9: non-market solutions to housing with government financial support. Secondly, we know that Paisley

[0:14:31] Voice 9: places within the area recommended by the OCP as a location for affordable housing. That's because

[0:14:36] Voice 9: it's within 200 meters of, sorry, 500 meters of the village core where there are services and

[0:14:42] Voice 9: employment, and it's not far from the ferry. Third, our project design minimizes forest impact by

[0:14:49] Voice 9: clustering 24 homes into a small space. It is a site of mature coastal Douglas fir ecosystem,

[0:14:54] Voice 9: system, which is the ecosystem type for all of Gabriola. This clustering approach means that

[0:14:59] Voice 9: we are retaining over 50% of the forest area. Our current design is at 55%. The new environmental

[0:15:06] Voice 9: development permit area implemented by the bylaws means that the final site design will be approved

[0:15:11] Voice 9: by the local trust committee. Fourth, the well can be used sustainably without impacting neighbors

[0:15:17] Voice 9: and the larger Gabriola village area. Our water license is under review by the province,

[0:15:23] Voice 9: and our work by our consulting hydrogeologist has demonstrated that there is sufficient water for the homes that we will be building

[0:15:32] Voice 9: and our use of water will not impact the neighbors.

[0:15:35] Voice 9: This conclusion has been peer-reviewed by both the Islands Trust Freshwater Specialist

[0:15:39] Voice 9: and a detailed review by the regional hydrogeologist for the province.

[0:15:43] Voice 9: Within the Gabriola Village area, current groundwater users use about 21% of the available groundwater recharge

[0:15:50] Voice 9: charge and this project only increases that amount by one percent our license amount would

[0:15:55] Voice 9: has about a 44 excess capacity under normal operations that's because we're implementing

[0:16:01] Voice 9: gray water treatment as well as having a buffer you know for those variances between users and

[0:16:09] Voice 9: and how things play out with water use we do know that our landscape irrigation during our

[0:16:15] Voice 9: installation period so that's the first two to three years of the project need to be carefully

[0:16:19] Voice 9: managed and monitored so we stay within that license amount that is a legal obligation on

[0:16:24] Voice 9: the gabriel housing society and our water management plan outlines how we meet that

[0:16:29] Voice 9: obligation over time there have been questions about the type 3 wastewater system for members

[0:16:35] Voice 9: of the public to emphasize that is a system designed under the bc sewerage regulation that

[0:16:41] Voice 9: has a higher level of protection because it not only includes treatment but also disinfection

[0:16:46] Voice 9: the sewerage regulation specifies the various regulations related to the design of our system

[0:16:54] Voice 9: that would be finalized by our civil engineer and its exact location and its sizing depend on

[0:17:02] Voice 9: wastewater volume soil characteristics as well as the full set of things agreement is linked to

[0:17:13] Voice 9: the land use and ocp amendment bylaw but is a separate bylaw specific to our property and it

[0:17:18] Voice 9: It enshrines that formal agreement between ourselves and Island Trust on the minimum requirements related to our affordable housing.

[0:17:25] Voice 9: The agreement, though, does allow a provider or different ones based on their requirements,

[0:17:33] Voice 9: such as will be the ability to have a full market units in association with affordable,

[0:17:55] Voice 9: where maximum incomes can be no more than 56 in B.C. housing income limits.

[0:18:03] Voice 9: And those residents, the updates to the housing agreement that we've been affordable market units and by the Affordable Housing Trust know

[0:18:22] Voice 9: and i don't have time to go into those at this finally really the principal impediment to

[0:18:39] Voice 9: providing affordable housing on gabriella is cost to meet the rent structure of the community

[0:18:45] Voice 9: housing fund we need free land we need grants that are over 50 percent of our almost seven

[0:18:50] Voice 9: million dollar budget we need interest rates and amortization periods that are not available

[0:18:55] Voice 9: to conventional developers and even then we need an annual operating subsidy so the zoning bylaw

[0:19:01] Voice 9: the ocp the housing agreement they don't ensure affordable housing and development funding does

[0:19:06] Voice 9: the housing agreement is a good set of general parameters but specific details do need to be

[0:19:12] Voice 9: worked out between the housing society and the affordable housing funder obviously the housing

[0:19:17] Voice 9: society's priority is to meet the needs of as many low-income gabriel islanders as possible

[0:19:22] Voice 9: while at the same time also meeting uh the growing need of modest income gabriel islanders

[0:19:27] Voice 9: creating forward to hearing from their comments about

[0:19:42] Trustee Rogers: hey thank you mr scott and to the ghs for

[0:19:46] Trustee Rogers: the overdue um so that takes us then to the next stage of today's meeting which is actually the

[0:19:52] Trustee Rogers: public hearing um and mr and perhaps uh well you can put mr scott back in the attendees list

[0:20:01] Trustee Rogers: for the remainder of today's meeting.

[0:20:05] Trustee Rogers: I see we now have 42 people.

[0:20:08] Trustee Rogers: So you're going to have to bear with me for a moment

[0:20:13] Trustee Rogers: because there are some requirements

[0:20:15] Trustee Rogers: in terms of formalities

[0:20:18] Trustee Rogers: in terms of opening a public hearing.

[0:20:21] Trustee Rogers: And so I have to work my way through those

[0:20:26] Trustee Rogers: before we start.

[0:20:28] Trustee Rogers: start. So first, so you'll hear my voice for a little, a few minutes, and then we'll, and then

[0:20:34] Trustee Rogers: for the remainder of the public hearing, we'll hear your voices. The public hearing for proposed

[0:20:40] Trustee Rogers: bylaw number 306, 307, and 308 is now open. I wish to welcome everyone in attendance and

[0:20:48] Trustee Rogers: acknowledge that we're meeting in the territory of the Coast Salish peoples, and in particularly

[0:20:54] Trustee Rogers: particularly the Synod of the American Nation.

[0:20:56] Trustee Rogers: My name is Dan Rogers and I'm the Chair

[0:20:58] Trustee Rogers: of the Gabriel and Anna Lause Press Committee.

[0:21:01] Trustee Rogers: And you already, I've already introduced

[0:21:03] Trustee Rogers: your local trustees, Scott Colburn in case you want to write.

[0:21:06] Trustee Rogers: I've also introduced the staff.

[0:21:10] Trustee Rogers: I have no, I don't know how many speakers

[0:21:12] Trustee Rogers: we're going to have and our intent is to give everyone

[0:21:17] Trustee Rogers: the opportunity to speak with adequate time

[0:21:18] Trustee Rogers: to present their comments and that this,

[0:21:22] Trustee Rogers: We are advising that this public hearing will start today and may be adjourned and reconvened.

[0:21:28] Trustee Rogers: However, our intention is to start and close it today.

[0:21:32] Trustee Rogers: An announcement will be made later in the public hearing prior to the adjournment if the hearing is to be reconvened.

[0:21:38] Trustee Rogers: It's convened pursuant to Section 465 of the Local Government Act in order to consider the following proposed bylaws.

[0:21:46] Trustee Rogers: Laws. Proposed By-Law 306, cited as Gabriel Island Official Community Plan By-Law 1997,

[0:21:56] Trustee Rogers: Amendment Number 2020. Proposed By-Law 307, cited as Gabriel Island Land Use By-Law 1999,

[0:22:04] Trustee Rogers: Amendment Number 1, 2020. And Proposed By-Law 308, cited as the Gabriel Island Housing Agreement

[0:22:12] Trustee Rogers: bylaw number 308-2020. All persons who believe their interests in property as affected by the

[0:22:20] Trustee Rogers: proposed bylaws will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written

[0:22:25] Trustee Rogers: submissions respecting matters contained in the proposed bylaws. Those wishing to speak

[0:22:31] Trustee Rogers: should commence their presentation by clearly stating their names and addresses.

[0:22:38] Trustee Rogers: addresses um so the process that we're going to use for allowing people to speak or to enabling

[0:22:46] Trustee Rogers: people to speak i should say uh will be as follows you will we will ask you to put your hand up

[0:22:53] Trustee Rogers: um i see we have one hand up and i know there was one up earlier um and then you will be um uh

[0:23:00] Trustee Rogers: enabled and you'll be promoted to uh what's called panelist in my in my screen i don't know if it's

[0:23:06] Trustee Rogers: same as yours and then you will be enabled to both unmute yourself and turn your camera on

[0:23:15] Trustee Rogers: you will then have an opportunity to speak and when you are complete concluded you will

[0:23:20] Trustee Rogers: you will have enough that you will then be moved back to the attendee list this is where you will

[0:23:27] Trustee Rogers: will hear me speak to Will Cunningham in terms of the procedure as we work our way through the list.

[0:23:38] Trustee Rogers: My screen allows us, what it does is the Zoom platform puts the people in order of when they

[0:23:46] Trustee Rogers: put their hands up, and that's the screen I will be working through. There is an alternate way for

[0:23:52] Trustee Rogers: you to make comments, but I'll get to that in a moment. Members of the local trust committee may,

[0:24:00] Trustee Rogers: if they wish, ask questions of you following your presentation. However, the main function

[0:24:07] Trustee Rogers: of the local trust committee members is to listen to the views of the public. You may

[0:24:11] Trustee Rogers: recall if you've had a community information meeting, what I said at that point was that

[0:24:17] Trustee Rogers: that was the time for you to ask questions and to get information and that you would have an

[0:24:23] Trustee Rogers: opportunity to present your point of view at the public hearing. That's what this opportunity is.

[0:24:28] Trustee Rogers: It is not the function of committee members to debate the merits of the proposed bylaws with

[0:24:33] Trustee Rogers: individual citizens, and of course not the function of this process for individual citizens

[0:24:39] Trustee Rogers: to debate it amongst themselves. Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard.

[0:24:45] Trustee Rogers: none should feel discouraged for presenting his or her views. I should tell you that in

[0:24:52] Trustee Rogers: considering the proposed bylaws the local trust committee has received documents which may

[0:24:57] Trustee Rogers: influence this decision. Those documents are available for review during this hearing on our

[0:25:03] Trustee Rogers: website and as indicated in the public hearing notice. So if you go to our website you will find

[0:25:10] Trustee Rogers: what's called the public hearing binder there are it's quite lengthy but there are all of the

[0:25:18] Trustee Rogers: documents that have been before the local trust committee over the course of the last 12 months

[0:25:24] Trustee Rogers: and including all of the public submissions from individuals over the course of the last

[0:25:31] Trustee Rogers: 12 months there are all there should be an addendum up as well at least we've received

[0:25:37] Trustee Rogers: about another nine or ten that came in last night, and I believe they've been added to the public

[0:25:43] Trustee Rogers: hearing binder this morning. You're welcome to go and look at those and know the types of comments

[0:25:52] Trustee Rogers: that you made. I can tell you I have spent many hours reading all of the many submissions and

[0:25:58] Trustee Rogers: thank all the people for all of the comments that they have made. I was counting and I lost count

[0:26:04] Trustee Rogers: because submissions were continuing to come in and I believe we're well over 150 over the course of

[0:26:12] Trustee Rogers: the last six months at least. If you wish to make a written submission during the course of today,

[0:26:21] Trustee Rogers: you can do so. There are two ways I would suggest you can do that. I don't recommend the first,

[0:26:30] Trustee Rogers: but you can put it in the chat function on the screen or you can send us an email to the

[0:26:39] Trustee Rogers: northphsub so that's northphsub at islandstrust.bc.ca you send it to that email we will be advised that

[0:26:50] Trustee Rogers: it's come in during the course of this public hearing and we will review it before we close

[0:26:56] Trustee Rogers: the public hearing. In addition, if you wish your submission for whatever reason,

[0:27:01] Trustee Rogers: you don't want to make it orally, but you wish it read out to the public hearing,

[0:27:07] Trustee Rogers: please indicate that in your email. And before I close the public hearing, or we close the public

[0:27:13] Trustee Rogers: hearing, assuming we do, I will read out any submissions that indicate that particular point

[0:27:21] Trustee Rogers: point of view.

[0:27:23] Trustee Rogers: Your only opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaws

[0:27:29] Trustee Rogers: is during this hearing,

[0:27:31] Trustee Rogers: as members of the local trust committee

[0:27:33] Trustee Rogers: may not receive further submissions

[0:27:34] Trustee Rogers: after the close of the hearing,

[0:27:36] Trustee Rogers: in particular in relation to bylaws 306 and 307.

[0:27:41] Trustee Rogers: After the public hearing has concluded,

[0:27:44] Trustee Rogers: the local trust committee,

[0:27:46] Trustee Rogers: its plan is May without further notice

[0:27:52] Trustee Rogers: make whatever decision it deems proper

[0:27:53] Voice 8: with

[0:27:54] Trustee Rogers: respect to the bylaws that are the subject of

[0:27:57] Trustee Rogers: the public hearing and as i indicated at the outset of the local trust committee meeting what

[0:28:01] Trustee Rogers: our intentions were um as expressed in december related to the bylaws 306 and 307 um at the time

[0:28:10] Trustee Rogers: of the at the conclusion of the public hearing so uh that's the formal introduction i will have

[0:28:18] Trustee Rogers: some things to say after the planner has concluded uh related to the um uh uh related to the actual

[0:28:27] Trustee Rogers: comments that you make but i'm going to turn it over at this point to the planner who will now

[0:28:32] Trustee Rogers: summarize the public hearing notice the key points of the bylaws in question and the referral agency

[0:28:38] Trustee Rogers: responses over to you planner thank

[0:28:41] Voice 3: you chair rogers um so a copy of this notice uh was

[0:28:47] Voice 3: advertised in two consecutive editions of the gabriela sounder on december 23rd and december

[0:28:52] Voice 3: 30th of 2020 all notification requirements under the local government act have been completed

[0:28:59] Voice 3: there as chair rogers noted there is a com a copy of the complete public hearing binder available

[0:29:05] Voice 3: during this public hearing located on the islands trust website at the gabriela current applications

[0:29:10] Voice 3: the purpose of proposed bylaw 306 number 306 is if it's adopted will amend the official community

[0:29:18] Voice 3: plan the ocp with new policy language to recognize the multi-dwelling affordable housing designation

[0:29:25] Voice 3: to be applied to the subject properties a new environmental protection development permit area

[0:29:31] Voice 3: dpa 11 is proposed for the purposes of protecting the natural environment its ecosystems and

[0:29:37] Voice 3: and biodiversity with justification and objectives

[0:29:40] Voice 3: in the official community plan

[0:29:42] Voice 3: and guidelines in the land use bylaw.

[0:29:45] Voice 3: The subject properties will also be included

[0:29:47] Voice 3: in the existing multi-dwelling affordable housing

[0:29:50] Voice 3: development permit area eight.

[0:29:52] Voice 3: The proposed bylaw would amend the land use designation map

[0:29:55] Voice 3: in schedule B of the official community plan

[0:29:58] Voice 3: as well as schedule D.

[0:30:00] Voice 3: north of the official community plan by including the lots in development permit area 8 and

[0:30:04] Voice 3: delineating the area for the new development permit area 11. The purpose of proposed bylaw

[0:30:10] Voice 3: number 307, if adopted, will amend the land use bylaw and introduce new zoning regulations to be

[0:30:16] Voice 3: applied to the new multi-dwelling affordable housing 1, MAH1 zone to encompass the proposed

[0:30:22] Voice 3: development of 24 affordable housing units. A comprehensive series of development permit area

[0:30:29] Voice 3: Area 11 guidelines have been drafted and would be applicable for new construction or redevelopment

[0:30:34] Voice 3: of the subject properties. I will note there was a clerical error in By-law number 307 under

[0:30:41] Voice 3: section 1.15 of Schedule A. The definition for the term two-family dwelling was amended at the

[0:30:49] Voice 3: the October 22nd 2020 LTC meeting. This correction has or sorry this this has been corrected and

[0:30:57] Voice 3: has been reflected on the uploaded bylaw number 307 online. It should read a building consisting

[0:31:04] Voice 3: of two principal dwelling units and the purpose of proposed bylaw number 308 if adopted will enter

[0:31:13] Voice 3: the local trust committee into a housing agreement with the owners of the subject land that include

[0:31:19] Voice 3: terms and conditions regarding the occupancy, tenure, and availability to specify classes of

[0:31:24] Voice 3: persons of dwelling units located on those lands pursuant to section 29 of the Islands Trust Act

[0:31:30] Voice 3: and section 483 of the Local Government Act. The purpose of the housing agreement is to provide

[0:31:35] Voice 3: affordable rental housing on the sites in perpetuity and the housing agreement remains

[0:31:40] Voice 3: under consideration at this time. Proposed bylaw numbers 306 and 307 were referred to three

[0:31:47] Voice 3: three provincial agencies, three regional agencies, two non-agencies, and seven First Nations.

[0:31:53] Voice 3: The following comments and responses were received by the Local Trust Committee.

[0:31:58] Voice 3: The Gabriela Volunteer Fire Department recommended approval subject to conditions in relation to

[0:32:03] Voice 3: options, three options that they presented to ensure emergency fire access and to reduce the

[0:32:09] Voice 3: maximum height of the buildings. Vancouver Island Health Authority recommended approval subject to

[0:32:14] Voice 3: conditions outlined which include the requirement for a permit to operate the water supply system

[0:32:20] Voice 3: for multi-family dwellings, that on-site sewage disposal must be in compliance with the sewerage

[0:32:26] Voice 3: system regulation, that any new food premises must be undertaken with appropriate construction

[0:32:30] Voice 3: and operating permits and Vancouver Island Health Authority noted that the proposal is

[0:32:36] Voice 3: supportable from a healthy built environment perspective. The Ministry of Transportation

[0:32:40] Voice 3: noted their interests were unaffected by the

[0:32:42] Voice 3: bylaws. Cowichan Tribes

[0:32:44] Voice 3: noted no comment

[0:32:46] Voice 3: and the Islands Trust Freshwater Specialists

[0:32:49] Voice 3: noted that

[0:32:50] Voice 3: the applicants should consider the consultants

[0:32:52] Voice 3: recommendations

[0:32:53] Voice 3: and have continuous monitoring

[0:32:56] Voice 3: and annual reporting of groundwater levels

[0:32:58] Voice 3: and include best management practices

[0:33:01] Voice 3: a backup

[0:33:03] Voice 3: water plan should be created

[0:33:05] Voice 3: and the water system should be supported

[0:33:07] Voice 3: by storage

[0:33:07] Voice 3: and alternative water sources should also be implemented to increase water resources.

[0:33:13] Voice 3: Proposed By-law No. 308 was not referred to agencies and First Nations

[0:33:18] Voice 3: as that is not a requirement for an administrative by-law, such as a housing agreement.

[0:33:23] Voice 3: As of 9.30 a.m. this morning, we have received 60 public submissions for the public hearing at this time.

[0:33:32] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:33:34] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[0:33:37] Trustee Rogers: Excuse me.

[0:33:37] Trustee Rogers: me. As I indicated earlier, submissions can be made at any time during and until the close of

[0:33:46] Trustee Rogers: the hearing. If any submissions are made during the hearing, we will pause prior to the closing

[0:33:51] Trustee Rogers: to ensure that the LTC has time to review the submissions. Our intention is if we do receive

[0:33:59] Trustee Rogers: any written submissions during the course of the hearing, we will stop, we will continue to read

[0:34:04] Trustee Rogers: them on camera until we are concluded. As I indicated, those should be emailed to northphsub

[0:34:10] Trustee Rogers: at islandstrust.bc.ca. I invite members of the public, and I see there's already three who wish

[0:34:17] Trustee Rogers: to speak to raise their hands. Please state your name prior to making comments. After your

[0:34:23] Trustee Rogers: presentation to the LTC, the trustees may ask you questions, but they are primarily here to listen

[0:34:30] Trustee Rogers: and will not debate the issues with you.

[0:34:32] Trustee Rogers: I will call for speakers before the close of the hearing,

[0:34:37] Trustee Rogers: at which point no further written or oral submissions can be made.

[0:34:40] Trustee Rogers: A few other comments related to this process.

[0:34:43] Trustee Rogers: I'm expecting a fair number of speakers,

[0:34:46] Trustee Rogers: and I want to respect everybody's ability to speak.

[0:34:51] Trustee Rogers: So what I am going to suggest is that everybody keep their,

[0:34:56] Trustee Rogers: i'm going to put a time limit of initial speakers of five minutes on and if you and if i call your

[0:35:03] Trustee Rogers: time uh does not i you will be able to continue um at a further at a later time uh a after all

[0:35:12] Trustee Rogers: first time speakers have had an opportunity so uh we'll put an initial period of time of i see

[0:35:18] Trustee Rogers: eight speakers so far so i'm going to put an initial period of time of five minutes i think

[0:35:23] Trustee Rogers: we can manage that and hopefully that's not too much. And then we'll give you, and then as I said,

[0:35:31] Trustee Rogers: we'll work our way through all first-time speakers first, and there will be an opportunity to

[0:35:40] Trustee Rogers: have a second time if there are remains to be speakers to be there.

[0:35:45] Trustee Rogers: I want to remind you of a few things that I remind people at all times when they come

[0:35:52] Trustee Rogers: come to local trust committee meetings.

[0:35:54] Trustee Rogers: This is a place of, as I said, a workplace,

[0:36:00] Trustee Rogers: and it's also a public gathering place,

[0:36:01] Trustee Rogers: even though we're not together physically.

[0:36:04] Trustee Rogers: And it's important for us to expect for everyone

[0:36:06] Trustee Rogers: to expect that they will be treated with respect.

[0:36:09] Trustee Rogers: So I ask for and require a few things.

[0:36:12] Trustee Rogers: First of all, I asked you to remind,

[0:36:15] Trustee Rogers: remember that you are addressing the local trust committee

[0:36:17] Trustee Rogers: and attempting to present your views to us.

[0:36:24] Trustee Rogers: So please address your comments in all circumstances

[0:36:27] Trustee Rogers: to the local trust committee.

[0:36:29] Trustee Rogers: You will be allowed to, for the time period,

[0:36:34] Trustee Rogers: to present your point of view related to the proposed bylaws.

[0:36:37] Trustee Rogers: I also ask you to characterize the issues

[0:36:42] Trustee Rogers: and talk about the issues and not talk about people or personality.

[0:36:45] Trustee Rogers: I am not unaware that particularly in situations like this space and in many situations, there is a lot of public commentary that has gone in other forums.

[0:36:55] Trustee Rogers: This is not the forum for a debate between or to settle scores or to deal with issues that have been debated in other public forums that are not related to the bylaws or are related to the bylaws, but are indeed related to people and personalities.

[0:37:20] Trustee Rogers: Please do not characterize people. Talk to the issues. It's very important to do so. And I will not allow any type of commentary that deviates from that rule.

[0:37:33] Trustee Rogers: rule. Thirdly, please refrain from any inappropriate language and refrain from any of the

[0:37:42] Trustee Rogers: what I call the isms. Those will not be allowed either, i.e. racism, sexism, or comments of that

[0:37:50] Trustee Rogers: nature or foul language. My experience with Gabriola is that people speak to the issues

[0:37:56] Trustee Rogers: and they speak respectfully. And I find that very helpful. And I think that goes for all of the

[0:38:02] Trustee Rogers: people and it allows for an appropriate discourse as trustee longer i said at the beginning

[0:38:07] Trustee Rogers: a variety of views that we will take into account as we make our decisions going forward so as i

[0:38:13] Trustee Rogers: said my as my experience with gabriola has been very positive in that regard and i trust that

[0:38:18] Trustee Rogers: will continue

[0:38:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so and we may we may turn our cameras off but we're every once in a while just

[0:38:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for to do things but we are i can still listen when my camera's off just in case that that flips

[0:38:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): off sometimes there's some connection issues thank

[0:38:29] Trustee Rogers: you trustee colburn so uh we are our job

[0:38:32] Trustee Rogers: now is to listen to you so I'm going to I've got my little timer here and I'm going to set it up

[0:38:38] Trustee Rogers: and I'm going to ask that we move our way through the public hearing I see a number of hands up

[0:38:43] Trustee Rogers: already so I'm going to start at the the top um and uh ask that uh Will that if you could promote

[0:38:50] Trustee Rogers: uh Christina Berg uh and if I'm sorry if I mispronounce anybody's name that's my apology

[0:38:55] Trustee Rogers: I'm just going on what's written uh but uh you'll be able to turn your camera on if you wish

[0:39:01] Trustee Rogers: otherwise um uh yes you can if you wish and uh over to you your your time is started thank you

[0:39:12] Voice 13: here i am in space can you hear me great

[0:39:14] Trustee Rogers: yes we can okay

[0:39:16] Voice 13: good morning everyone and thank you to

[0:39:18] Voice 13: the trustees for allowing me to speak uh this morning i am speaking in favor of the jas bylaw

[0:39:25] Voice 13: amendments i want to speak today as a community member and maybe one day a potential tenant of

[0:39:31] Voice 13: the housing proposed for Paisley Place. I know I'm not alone. There are so many lovely and

[0:39:36] Voice 13: generous people on Gabriola who live in vulnerable rental housing situations. The GAS Paisley Place

[0:39:44] Voice 13: project has the ability to improve the lives of 24 individuals and families in an amazing and

[0:39:50] Voice 13: positive way. So a bit about me. I was born with a rare condition that primarily affects my spine

[0:39:58] Voice 13: and it's degenerative. I've lived with chronic pain and fatigue for decades. 10 years ago,

[0:40:05] Voice 13: it became impossible for me to manage my condition and continue in my career. And I started on

[0:40:11] Voice 13: long-term disability. My income is a modest employee pension and CPP disability. Unfortunately,

[0:40:18] Voice 13: my employee pension is an index and this continues to pose a hardship as prices for everything

[0:40:23] Voice 13: things increase. I'm able to do some types of short-term flexible work sometimes, and last year,

[0:40:30] Voice 13: despite earning $5,000 from part-time work, my income had already dropped to the level

[0:40:35] Voice 13: considered poverty. It's been a lifelong dream of mine to live on the Gulf Islands, and three years

[0:40:41] Voice 13: ago, having visited Gabriela often and developing friendships and community here, I took a short-term

[0:40:47] Voice 13: winter house sit. Generally, that's how I've been able to continue living here. Looking after other

[0:40:53] Voice 13: other people's homes, with most of my belongings still stored in Vancouver. My experience with

[0:40:59] Voice 13: rentals on Gabriola is that they are in short supply, most are short-term winter rentals,

[0:41:04] Voice 13: and they're expensive. Over the past three years, a few of my experiences have included paying rent

[0:41:11] Voice 13: to look after someone's house and their cat, renting an illegal suite, and having an unfortunate

[0:41:17] Voice 13: experience with the landlords resulting in a need to move on short notice, and being offered the

[0:41:22] Voice 13: rental of a suite adjacent to an Airbnb with the offer of cleaning the house after each guest in

[0:41:28] Voice 13: exchange for making the rent a bit more affordable. Currently, I live in the guest cottage of some

[0:41:34] Voice 13: dear friends. It's one room with a bathroom and I've created a small kitchenette. When they have

[0:41:40] Voice 13: family or guests come to stay, I leave and stay with my boyfriend off island. When they travel

[0:41:46] Voice 13: in the winter, I look after their home. I'm grateful for their caring and generosity without

[0:41:51] Voice 13: which I would have likely had to leave Gabriola. In the time I've lived on Gabriola, I've done a

[0:41:57] Voice 13: lot of volunteer work and some paid work with the Arts Council, the Farm to Table Feast, the Spirit

[0:42:03] Voice 13: Feast, the Haven, and a few other not-for-profit community organizations. I love living on Gabriola

[0:42:10] Voice 13: for so many reasons. My friends and supports are here, my health is better here, and I hope to one

[0:42:16] Voice 13: day find a stable, affordable home of my own here. I hope that the trustees will vote in favor of the

[0:42:22] Voice 13: bylaw changes that will help the gabriela housing society paisley plays project oh that's a tongue

[0:42:28] Voice 13: twister move forward thank you thank

[0:42:32] Trustee Rogers: you very much so uh the next person on the list is uh carol

[0:42:40] Trustee Rogers: hemrick so if we can promote carol and if you wish you can turn your camera on you need not

[0:42:49] Trustee Rogers: aunt. It's up to you. There you are. Hi. Good morning.

[0:42:55] Voice 15: Good morning. So I'm Carol Hemrick. I've

[0:42:58] Voice 15: lived full-time on the island for more than 10 years, and I have three points I'd like to make.

[0:43:03] Voice 15: The first point is regarding the property on Paisley Place. It is privately owned by the

[0:43:08] Voice 15: Gabriela Housing Society. It is currently zoned institutional. If the housing project does not go

[0:43:15] Voice 15: go through, Gabriel Housing Society, or if they sold it to another group, could build any

[0:43:20] Voice 15: appropriate institutional building and would not need Islands Trust approval. The new project could

[0:43:27] Voice 15: clear cut the entire property if they so choose. So we have to be very clear that this could be a

[0:43:32] Voice 15: possible outcome. Whereas the Housing Society is intending to preserve as much natural forest and

[0:43:39] Voice 15: landscape over 50 percent as is possible. I share the environmental concerns of people in the

[0:43:45] Voice 15: community but realize that the points that are raised in this discussion need to be ones that

[0:43:51] Voice 15: are within the parameter of this discussion and this is privately owned by a non-profit

[0:43:58] Voice 15: institutionally zoned land. The other situation is that this entire parcel of land all these

[0:44:04] Voice 15: lots had been up for sale recently when they were owned by ENCON. That was the opportunity for the

[0:44:10] Voice 15: community or members of the community or organization community to purchase or acquire

[0:44:16] Voice 15: this land to preserve it through a covenant or whatever. And unfortunately, that action was not

[0:44:22] Voice 15: taken. My second point is, of course, reiterating the housing situation on Gabriela, which has

[0:44:30] Voice 15: has become desperate as it is elsewhere in the entire country safe clean affordable attainable

[0:44:37] Voice 15: rental housing is seriously lacking gabriel is community that has been deeply concerned about

[0:44:43] Voice 15: the impact of this on our community as a whole and many valued members of our community there

[0:44:49] Voice 15: have been at least a decade of concern research studies polls plans and alternatives that have

[0:44:57] Voice 15: have been examined at public meetings,

[0:44:59] Voice 15: in the local media, on social media.

[0:45:01] Voice 15: There have been many ways to become informed

[0:45:04] Voice 15: and involved in the process of concerns

[0:45:07] Voice 15: about affordable housing.

[0:45:08] Voice 15: Please keep in mind that when people

[0:45:10] Voice 15: who have only recently become involved protest

[0:45:12] Voice 15: that they were not informed, that the process is too fast,

[0:45:16] Voice 15: that they themselves have numerous unfounded, cheap, easy,

[0:45:21] Voice 15: and environmentally friendly alternatives to suggest

[0:45:24] Voice 15: they have had the opportunity to do this the third point i'd like to make is regarding the makeup of

[0:45:31] Voice 15: this and previous gabriela housing society boards we have been blessed to have experienced mature

[0:45:39] Voice 15: socially and environmentally concerned citizens who have selflessly taken on the task of looking

[0:45:45] Voice 15: for the best the most feasible the most realistic of housing possibilities their process has been

[0:45:52] Voice 15: open, inclusive, and transparent. Information has been up to date and widely available in local

[0:45:59] Voice 15: media, on social media, on their website. They have responded repeatedly to any community concerns

[0:46:07] Voice 15: and questions. Their process, in my opinion, has been thorough, professional, respectful,

[0:46:15] Voice 15: knowledgeable, and thoughtful. We are fortunate to have these individuals step up to take these

[0:46:20] Voice 15: risks, gather, process, evaluate a wealth of options from design details, housing needs,

[0:46:27] Voice 15: financial realities, and possibilities. I am very grateful and respectful and trust the intention,

[0:46:36] Voice 15: competence, and thoroughness of this group of people. They know that I will continue to follow

[0:46:41] Voice 15: and question any plans and development of this project, and I value their service to our

[0:46:47] Voice 15: our communities thank you thank

[0:46:50] Trustee Rogers: you very much uh so uh we'll move on to the next speaker um which

[0:46:58] Trustee Rogers: who is phyllis reeve just a reminder if you wish to speak put your hand just hit the you put your

[0:47:06] Trustee Rogers: hand up button which should be in the bottom middle of your screen so miss reeve you should

[0:47:14] Trustee Rogers: you have been promoted and you should be able to unmute yourself you can you're still muted

[0:47:19] Trustee Rogers: on my screen there you're unmuted and you can turn your camera on if you wish but you need

[0:47:23] Trustee Rogers: if you don't want okay

[0:47:25] Voice 26: all right you might as well okay here I am

[0:47:30] Trustee Rogers: there you are once again

[0:47:33] Voice 26: okay I'm Phyllis Reed and I've lived on Gabriel since 1987 and I want to thank you for this

[0:47:40] Voice 26: opportunity to stand up and be counted although I know the trustees are already aware of my support

[0:47:47] Voice 26: for this housing project and for the proposed bylaws. As an elderly landowner living on my own,

[0:47:55] Voice 26: I like to be part of a community where not everyone is exactly like myself.

[0:48:00] Voice 26: Besides, I'm not too old to remember being part of a young couple with kids looking for a place to

[0:48:06] Voice 26: to rent. Was it easy then? It's not easy now. Heather Menzies cannot attend this meeting,

[0:48:13] Voice 26: I believe, has given me permission to quote from her letter in this week's Sounder. The whole

[0:48:18] Voice 26: letter is worth a close read, but I restrict myself with difficulty to a single point as her

[0:48:25] Voice 26: and my conclusion. She writes, the trust that the trustees are elected to represent can be most

[0:48:32] Voice 26: largely stated as the duty to protect and advance the common good not just of

[0:48:38] Voice 26: the natural habitat but as it is inhabited affordable housing or housing

[0:48:45] Voice 26: within reach of everyone is central to that common good thank you carry on oh

[0:48:52] Trustee Rogers: thank you thank you for your comments so the next person I have on the list is

[0:49:00] Trustee Rogers: is angela pounds seem to have lost angela oh there she is okay uh if you unmute yourself angela

[0:49:24] Trustee Rogers: miss pounds um we'll be able to hear you hopefully and you can turn your camera on if you wish

[0:49:32] Trustee Rogers: hi hi

[0:49:41] Voice 5: sorry i was just kicked out and rejoined so that's fine

[0:49:45] Voice 5: um yeah so my name is angela pounds

[0:49:48] Voice 5: i live and work on gabriola i'm a mental health clinician with island health and i'm the chapter

[0:49:54] Voice 5: coordinator with the rural and remote division of family practice and i'm also speaking to support

[0:49:59] Voice 5: this application it seems like quite a simple way to support our community members there is a lack

[0:50:08] Voice 5: of affordable housing there isn't purpose-built rental it's sort of a well-established need in

[0:50:15] Voice 5: the community and just having available safe housing for people seems like a very simple

[0:50:23] Voice 5: thing we can do for our community members. And I'm really hoping that this proposal moves forward

[0:50:28] Voice 5: and is approved. And this housing gets built because we definitely have people in this

[0:50:33] Voice 5: community who need it badly. That's pretty much it. I think the Housing Society has done a great

[0:50:40] Voice 5: job.

[0:50:44] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much. The next person on my list is Helen Shilladay.

[0:51:02] Voice 17: There you are.

[0:51:03] Voice 17: it

[0:51:07] Voice 1: may be a little bit difficult to see me oh there you go okay good morning everyone um the

[0:51:15] Voice 1: comments that i have to make this morning i'm a resident of gabriel i live down in the whalebone

[0:51:20] Voice 1: area um what i would like to say about this development i do not want to characterize my

[0:51:29] Voice 1: stance on this as either pro or anti in terms of this specific development um i don't feel that um

[0:51:38] Voice 1: um that i have either the expertise or the knowledge to to be able to actually um speak

[0:51:44] Voice 1: to that in detail what i do hear a lot in all of the discussion that's been happening

[0:51:50] Voice 1: and from the comments that people have already made today is that there's an awful lot of emotive

[0:51:57] Voice 1: argument involved and that i completely understand because i am um i know personally people who

[0:52:08] Voice 1: who are affected by the lack of affordable rental on this island,

[0:52:14] Voice 1: people who are struggling to find a place to live

[0:52:17] Voice 1: and who are repeatedly at the whim of insecure rental.

[0:52:22] Voice 1: And that does generate an awful lot of emotional response

[0:52:26] Voice 1: to a development like this.

[0:52:29] Voice 1: What I'm not hearing much about is examining the bylaw changes

[0:52:36] Voice 1: which are being proposed on a non-emotional level so when I hear people saying it seems like a

[0:52:43] Voice 1: simple thing to provide affordable housing it would be lovely if that were true but it is not

[0:52:51] Voice 1: simple at all and I know that a lot of work and a lot of detail needs to go into these matters

[0:52:57] Voice 1: and I think we all wish it really was simple because housing people in a secure way is vitally

[0:53:04] Voice 1: important to our community. The things that I have seen in the by-law proposals which have

[0:53:12] Voice 1: raised worry for me and concern for me, not from the point of view of not wanting the rental housing

[0:53:19] Voice 1: but wanting that provision to be in perpetuity, which I think one of you mentioned right at the

[0:53:26] Voice 1: beginning of this um discussion um one of the things that i noted was that the bylaw changes

[0:53:33] Voice 1: as i i read them just recently allow for future ownership um that worries me because what i think

[0:53:44] Voice 1: gabrielans do not want is that uh in insecurity of housing to then be transferred to the any new

[0:53:52] Voice 1: developments. So if it is created as housing for rental purposes, I think that most people would

[0:54:01] Voice 1: expect that it would remain that way in perpetuity as was stated. And yet, please correct me if I am

[0:54:09] Voice 1: wrong, but I believe that I read that the bylaw changes as they're stated will allow for future

[0:54:14] Voice 1: ownership. The other thing I have an issue with is the definition of

[0:54:22] Voice 1: affordable housing and the very few units in this development which are

[0:54:27] Voice 1: going to be highly subsidized. That seems to me to be one of the crux issues here

[0:54:37] Voice 1: is people talk about affordable housing and assume that everybody is talking

[0:54:43] Voice 1: about the same thing. And I'm really not sure from the argument that I've seen in the discussion on several platforms recently, that when we talk about affordable housing, we're all actually talking about the same thing. And I think that is generating a lot of misunderstanding.

[0:55:00] Voice 1: standing. From what I have read about the Paisley Place development, it seems that very few of these

[0:55:08] Voice 1: units are going to be subsidized to a level that I personally feel is appropriate. I think that

[0:55:16] Voice 1: having an element of housing in 24 units that is substantial, that is at market rent, is not

[0:55:23] Voice 1: not really what most people would assume the intent of affordable housing would be.

[0:55:33] Voice 1: My other point is that quite a lot of the bylaw changes, there is a lot of reference to

[0:55:40] Voice 1: the funder being involved, being a big input into the decision making as to how that pans out.

[0:55:49] Voice 1: and i think that the funder knowing that we don't have that funding on gabriola i think it is a

[0:55:56] Voice 1: little bit worrying that we're putting a lot of this future decision making by these bylaw changes

[0:56:02] Voice 1: into the hands of people who don't live on gabriola who are not really anything to do with

[0:56:07] Voice 1: gabriola but who are bringing a lot of money in from outside and with that money they're also

[0:56:13] Voice 1: bringing obviously their own agenda that they want to fulfill and those are my

[0:56:19] Voice 1: concerns so far thank

[0:56:22] Trustee Rogers: you very much radon radon five minutes

[0:56:24] Voice 1: brilliant thank

[0:56:26] Voice 1: you

[0:56:26] Trustee Rogers: so we will move on then to the next person on our list who is mr. Bob Andrew

[0:56:37] Trustee Rogers: please sir Andrew you could you should be able to unmute yourself and if you wish turn your camera

[0:56:56] Trustee Rogers: on all right

[0:56:57] Voice 7: you did you're unmuted I'm unmuted but I can't quite figure out how to turn on the

[0:57:02] Voice 7: camera that's all you should be able to go down the bottom left corner

[0:57:06] Trustee Rogers: and there should be a start

[0:57:07] Voice 7: video button

[0:57:08] Trustee Rogers: there if you will

[0:57:09] Voice 7: okay sure got it okay

[0:57:11] Trustee Rogers: thank

[0:57:12] Voice 7: you very much the

[0:57:13] Voice 10: whole brand new world

[0:57:14] Voice 10: for all of us

[0:57:14] Voice 7: yeah um so my name is bob andrew i live at 620 blue water road in gabriola

[0:57:20] Voice 7: and i have to start off in the typical canadian fashion with some apologies uh uh both the trust

[0:57:28] Voice 7: committee and to the gabriel housing society in that um really i should have been involved in this

[0:57:33] Voice 7: from a personal point of view much earlier than this because there's nothing that uh annoys me

[0:57:39] Voice 7: me more than people jumping at the last minute with all their concerns however that being said

[0:57:44] Voice 7: i do in general support the bylaws uh as they are written i believe it is as you've heard already

[0:57:51] Voice 7: good planning to supply denser housing development near the village and the ferry etc we desperately

[0:57:57] Voice 7: need low to moderate income housing on the island um and it'll only get worse as time goes on if we

[0:58:04] Voice 7: don't do that however i have some concerns excuse me there absolutely needs to be a walking trail

[0:58:12] Voice 7: uh from the uh from the proposed development to the village core uh and however that can be made

[0:58:20] Voice 7: happen i mean it's just it's uh it's a disaster waiting to happen if we don't do that uh i firmly

[0:58:28] Voice 7: believe that we need to institute uh the rainwater collection i'm not quite sure i am i understand

[0:58:34] Voice 7: that the reason that can't be done is because the funding can't be had by the society to do

[0:58:41] Voice 7: that at this point in time. However, I so much think that this is a necessary requirement

[0:58:47] Voice 7: that we need to find a way to fund that before we proceed with this project.

[0:58:56] Voice 7: The other concern I have, and you just heard it from the previous speaker, is the funding

[0:59:04] Voice 7: funding timeline driven application. I think it's unfortunate that this is so clearly driven by

[0:59:13] Voice 7: a timeframe to obtain funding. It's a huge mistake. And I think for one, number one,

[0:59:21] Voice 7: it constrains the community input into the bylaws. It removes, in my opinion, the possibility of a

[0:59:28] Voice 7: good buy-in by the community it removes the how how do we how do we make it happen in a in a in a

[0:59:36] Voice 7: big way uh and and so that removes uh pride and acceptance over a short term and long term and

[0:59:44] Voice 7: there are many examples in this island where you can point to and say boy the community really

[0:59:48] Voice 7: bought into that because they had uh input into it uh as as funders um as well under that uh the

[0:59:59] Voice 7: development

[1:00:00] Voice 7: the proposal seems to me always falls out of the hands

[1:00:04] Voice 7: of the local community.

[1:00:06] Voice 7: Any building will certainly be done by off Islanders.

[1:00:09] Voice 7: A CMHC will set requirements that will eliminate

[1:00:13] Voice 7: any local builders, which is a bit absurd

[1:00:15] Voice 7: because in my opinion, we have the best builders

[1:00:17] Voice 7: in the world right on this Island.

[1:00:19] Voice 7: And the actual designs of the complex also appear

[1:00:24] Voice 7: to be done by off Islanders or people

[1:00:30] Voice 7: but in my opinion, don't understand

[1:00:31] Voice 7: what really nice buildings are like for living in.

[1:00:36] Voice 7: And exactly that, the designs as they are now,

[1:00:39] Voice 7: I know that's not a part of the application,

[1:00:44] Voice 7: but I hope they get looked at closely

[1:00:47] Voice 7: because they leave a lot to be desired.

[1:00:49] Voice 7: There are some structures in there

[1:00:51] Voice 7: which I personally would not live in

[1:00:54] Voice 7: because of the way they're designed.

[1:00:58] Voice 7: and while the buildings are happening I think this is part of the bylaws I believe that the

[1:01:06] Voice 7: needs to be built into the buildings before they get a finished building the ability to supply the

[1:01:15] Voice 7: rainwater or a cistern system to be able to move water through those buildings whatever fashion

[1:01:25] Voice 7: that happens be it into grey water use or black water use at the very least and hopefully over

[1:01:31] Voice 7: the long run into fresh water use for people. I have one great concern about the septic and

[1:01:40] Voice 7: I recognize that the septic systems are being built to the to I believe the very best systems

[1:01:49] Voice 7: that we can have today what I call tertiary treatment but I think they call the third level

[1:01:53] Voice 7: treatment in this. Right now, having walked that property several times, even before the latest

[1:02:00] Voice 7: rainstorms, I have noted that where they want to put the septic fields, it is, there is quite a bit

[1:02:09] Voice 7: of water, three to four inches of water over a great deal of that area. There's even more just

[1:02:14] Voice 7: in the little parkland right beside it. It's up to a foot deep there right now. And although I

[1:02:20] Voice 7: recognize that the the again that the the field they're talking about putting in uh will um

[1:02:28] Voice 7: deal with that by not putting any toxic substances into the soils after it's done it still strikes me

[1:02:35] Voice 7: as a very strange place to put a septic field on top of what is now uh a water uh pond which

[1:02:43] Voice 7: directly leads down into the into the well system the school and the gabriel the comments below that

[1:02:49] Voice 7: and really that's all i have to say for now thank you thank

[1:02:55] Trustee Rogers: you very much mr andrew uh

[1:02:59] Trustee Rogers: okay uh the next person on the list is uh carrie marshall

[1:03:14] Trustee Rogers: on you

[1:03:14] Trustee Rogers: there you go hi

[1:03:17] Voice 29: there good morning hi

[1:03:18] Trustee Rogers: hi thank you so much but by the way it's all just

[1:03:22] Trustee Rogers: for everybody's purpose it's nice to put faces to names because i've seen i've read all the

[1:03:26] Trustee Rogers: the submissions but i don't know a lot of your faces so anyway i recognize yours thank you yes

[1:03:31] Voice 29: i've been trying to uh participate in the process and originally uh was here because i have uh

[1:03:39] Voice 29: environmental interests but today i wanted to speak to something different i wanted to just uh

[1:03:44] Voice 29: give you a few moments of of uh of my experience here as a fairly new gabriela islander i've been

[1:03:51] Voice 29: here for about three years and um my wife and i had to move my son here my my 22 year old son here

[1:03:58] Voice 29: uh because of a mental health crisis and he has housing um which you know i understand is a need

[1:04:05] Voice 29: for many people but i want to put out uh some concerns that i haven't heard spoken of uh which

[1:04:10] Voice 29: is the the infrastructure around people who have who need affordable housing um and whether gabriela

[1:04:17] Voice 29: can help people apart from just the housing um now this is just our experience i do not want to

[1:04:24] Voice 29: i'm not complaining about these these these all the all the supports that are in place and i'm

[1:04:29] Voice 29: sure other people have had different experiences but our experience is that uh our son has had a

[1:04:34] Voice 29: very difficult time on this island in terms of infrastructure uh we are 250th waiting for for

[1:04:42] Voice 29: a doctor on the island so of course we have to go into nanaimo we have to use a clinic as as most

[1:04:47] Voice 29: people that are fairly new to the island have to he as well has to go into uh into Nanaimo for a

[1:04:53] Voice 29: clinic um we thought that when we moved him here that uh there would be some adequate support uh

[1:05:01] Voice 29: in regards to uh phc the food bank counseling you know we looked up all of this in advance and we

[1:05:08] Voice 29: thought that these were were wonderful things and that he would have the ability to to uh access

[1:05:14] Voice 29: some of these now maybe this is you know our lack of understanding or his lack of understanding i

[1:05:19] Voice 29: do not want to criticize phc i think they're wonderful and i appreciate them but what we've

[1:05:24] Voice 29: found in the last year is that they're over capacity um we we we have gone ourselves as

[1:05:30] Voice 29: well as he has gone a number of times to see if he can get set up for counseling to see if he can

[1:05:34] Voice 29: get up set up for any kind of support he is uh in the food bank and he is getting some food

[1:05:39] Voice 29: distributed to him but many times we're hearing that the food bank here is overwhelmed um you know

[1:05:45] Voice 29: there there don't seem to be any kind of social meetings for any young adults at all it's it's

[1:05:50] Voice 29: really very seniors oriented here uh which is understandable uh but but you know somebody who

[1:05:57] Voice 29: needs affordable housing there's a lot of other needs that they have as well often and i don't

[1:06:02] Voice 29: know that gabriela is the best place for all of those extraordinary needs for people who who

[1:06:08] Voice 29: require affordable housing. That's what the conclusion that I've come to, we're actually

[1:06:13] Voice 29: in the process of moving him to Nanaimo, he's in the process of moving to Nanaimo, because he can't

[1:06:19] Voice 29: get the extraordinary support that he needs here. Now, that might not be someone else's experience.

[1:06:24] Voice 29: We've had the same issue in regards to the pharmacy, not criticizing the pharmacy at all.

[1:06:29] Voice 29: But when you're a non planner who needs antidepressants, you can't just go get certain

[1:06:34] Voice 29: medications there. It takes sometimes days or even weeks for it to come in. Gabriel is a small

[1:06:40] Voice 29: island. It's not set up for the same infrastructure that you can get when you are in Nanaimo.

[1:06:46] Voice 29: As well, you know, I want to applaud that Nanaimo is receiving a huge amount of BC housing support

[1:06:53] Voice 29: right now. My understanding is they just opened 67 new units. There's another huge project that

[1:06:59] Voice 29: bc housing has just taken on that's going to give them over 200 units of of affordable housing

[1:07:05] Voice 29: and that is where the people with the needs of affordable housing are getting the help that

[1:07:12] Voice 29: they require but it is a lot more than just housing that people need when they have when

[1:07:16] Voice 29: they have mental health issues and i'm concerned that that gabriola doesn't have the capacity

[1:07:23] Voice 29: at least in our experience, to support all those extra needs for people.

[1:07:28] Voice 29: So I wanted to put that out there.

[1:07:29] Voice 29: It's not something I have heard in these meetings yet,

[1:07:32] Voice 29: but I think it's important to recognize that once people do have housing,

[1:07:36] Voice 29: you know, is Gabriola going to be able to supply the rest of what is required for people here?

[1:07:43] Voice 29: And I wanted to put that out there.

[1:07:44] Voice 29: Thank you very much.

[1:07:47] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Ms. Marshall.

[1:07:48] Trustee Rogers: special um the next speaker uh that's on the list is patrick colvin hi

[1:08:06] Voice 2: there can you hear me rogers

[1:08:07] Voice 2: you bet let's see about this camera here oh no yeah i'm back now i'm just gonna wait for that

[1:08:19] Voice 2: alarm to pass sorry that was that's me i i okay thank you um so my name is patrick colvin um and

[1:08:30] Voice 2: I'm speaking as a stakeholder, as a renter. So a little back story, I moved here April 2019.

[1:08:39] Voice 2: When I got here, I lived in a shared home that I had access to because of family relations.

[1:08:45] Voice 2: And then I moved out, found a camper in a yard, and I had no desire to talk to island stress at

[1:08:53] Voice 2: at all, because I felt, you know, kind of illegal. And then I moved into a shed for half a year. And

[1:09:00] Voice 2: then eventually back into that same house I started in. About a year after I got here, I found

[1:09:07] Voice 2: affordable for me apartment, it's at

[1:09:09] Voice 2: 900 a month. And I feel like I can probably be here for a few

[1:09:14] Voice 2: years. But I'm also kind of anxious at the possibility that what if they change their

[1:09:19] Voice 2: their mind and then I'm you know back to the camper room in a house kind of options out there

[1:09:24] Voice 2: so I'm really interested in what's happening here because it looks like it gives me some options for

[1:09:30] Voice 2: the future in terms of the development and what's happening with the bylaws my main concerns are

[1:09:38] Voice 2: that options are made available for stable and long-term rentals you know something that's

[1:09:46] Voice 2: outside of the whims of another person and if they change their mind then all

[1:09:50] Voice 2: of a sudden you don't have housing for that kind of stuff to be eliminated I'm

[1:09:56] Voice 2: interested in the forest retention part so I'm quite happy to hear that there's

[1:10:00] Voice 2: a lot of forests around this property I think that it's a great thing that

[1:10:07] Voice 2: there's 50% being retained on the property and I'd like to know a bit more

[1:10:11] Voice 2: about that it's more of a question but you know I just noticed in the

[1:10:16] Voice 2: presentation that the wastewater treatments happening on some of that

[1:10:20] Voice 2: forested land so I'm a bit curious about what it means to you know have forest

[1:10:26] Voice 2: retention does that mean natural habitat elder trees or does it mean just the

[1:10:32] Voice 2: absence of a building on top of the land does grass count as forests so on I'm

[1:10:39] Voice 2: also curious about with the power outage backup because we do experience a decent amount of power

[1:10:44] Voice 2: outages here what is there for heating what is there for um you know is there going to be wood

[1:10:51] Voice 2: fire that kind of stuff and then just in the long term renewable resources are we considering those

[1:10:58] Voice 2: are we relying on fossil fuels for generators um and yeah happy that gabriella housing society is

[1:11:07] Voice 2: involved here happy to have all this discussion and i think i'll leave it at that so thank you

[1:11:13] Voice 2: thank

[1:11:17] Trustee Rogers: you mr coleman um next uh person is uh don for now and again i apologize if i mispronounce

[1:11:30] Trustee Rogers: that you can promote mr for now mr for now you'll oh there you're unmuted now

[1:11:49] Trustee Rogers: you

[1:11:50] Voice 17: can

[1:11:52] Trustee Rogers: turn your camera on if you wish or you can remain on without it

[1:11:56] Voice 33: impression it was on it's

[1:11:59] Trustee Rogers: not let

[1:12:00] Voice 33: me just think your

[1:12:01] Trustee Rogers: mic is on and we can hear you but we can't

[1:12:03] Trustee Rogers: see

[1:12:03] Voice 33: you i can see myself in the camera but on the left

[1:12:08] Trustee Rogers: of your screen there should be a turn

[1:12:10] Trustee Rogers: camera on button bottom

[1:12:13] Voice 33: left of my screen uh no no uh i've got mute start video how's that

[1:12:19] Voice 33: That

[1:12:20] Trustee Rogers: would be it. There

[1:12:21] Voice 33: you go. Now

[1:12:22] Trustee Rogers: we can see you.

[1:12:23] Voice 33: Hi, me? Yes, well, my name is Don Fennell, as you're now aware, and I'm a 29-year resident of the junction between Ross Way and Lock and Bar Lane.

[1:12:38] Voice 33: So I've been here a long time. I've seen this neighborhood develop.

[1:12:41] Voice 33: develop. You've heard me speak to you before, and I'd like to speak to you briefly again

[1:12:48] Voice 33: about the haste with which I think this project is being promoted, but I found repetition

[1:12:56] Voice 33: isn't a bad thing. Sometimes it takes several nails or blows to drive the nail in. Moving

[1:13:03] Voice 33: slowly isn't necessarily to be commended, as Mr. Rogers appears to believe with the

[1:13:10] Voice 33: suggestions that the um the complaints that the ltc uh knows too slowly i'm afraid that due diligence

[1:13:18] Voice 33: uh requires time it requires care and requires uh thoughtful foresight not haste

[1:13:26] Voice 33: um in the previous area i've pointed out uh the impact assessments that have been done for the

[1:13:32] Voice 33: pacing development is the guest as the um as a guest of experts and i've participated in a

[1:13:40] Voice 33: a fair number of environmental impact assessments and guesses aren't always correct especially in

[1:13:46] Voice 33: cases where there's insufficient data which is the case for the paisley development's projected

[1:13:50] Voice 33: effect on local groundwater supply and i've read through the reports and i've got a fair amount

[1:13:56] Voice 33: of hydrogeology experience um i feel like the local trust is with this proposal is jumping in

[1:14:03] Voice 33: with both feet before they check to see if there's water in the pool and uh i'm the one who has to

[1:14:08] Voice 33: to live in that pool. I mentioned in my previous letter that if expert guesses are correct,

[1:14:13] Voice 33: there will be little effect on existing water usage. And I pray that is the case, and it could

[1:14:18] Voice 33: well be. But then again, what are the consequences if the guesses are wrong? And I didn't list them

[1:14:26] Voice 33: in my letter. I figured I'd leave it to your imagination. But I thought about it a lot.

[1:14:32] Voice 33: In my case, what would I do if my water supply diminished significantly or completely dried up?

[1:14:38] Voice 33: and what's happened in wells in this area?

[1:14:42] Voice 33: Well, I suppose one option, and a fairly obvious one,

[1:14:45] Voice 33: would be I'd have to install cisterns.

[1:14:48] Voice 33: I'd have to install a water treatment plant,

[1:14:50] Voice 33: and my experience with water treatment plants are fairly expensive,

[1:14:54] Voice 33: and I know their price.

[1:14:55] Voice 33: They're not cheap.

[1:14:56] Voice 33: And I'd have to resurface the roof of my house

[1:14:58] Voice 33: to deal with water catchment.

[1:15:03] Voice 33: This is on a pensioner's income.

[1:15:05] Voice 33: You know, I wasn't really planning on having to do all this

[1:15:07] Voice 33: when I retired here.

[1:15:09] Voice 33: and I've lived here for almost 38 years.

[1:15:12] Voice 33: I thought perhaps maybe I could offset the cost of it

[1:15:15] Voice 33: by cutting down the few big trees that are left in my lot

[1:15:18] Voice 33: and perhaps helping to pay for some of these improvements

[1:15:21] Voice 33: I'm going to have to make to my house.

[1:15:25] Voice 33: A far less expensive option, though,

[1:15:27] Voice 33: that I've taken a look at now is,

[1:15:30] Voice 33: that's probably my likely first choice in terms of cost,

[1:15:33] Voice 33: would be to frack my well.

[1:15:34] Voice 33: well. And fracking wells often leads to positive effects on water supply, at least my water

[1:15:42] Voice 33: supply, not perhaps my neighbor's water supply. Their water supply might diminish if I frack

[1:15:48] Voice 33: my well. But if my fracking worked, I'm sure my neighbor may well attempt to use the same

[1:15:56] Voice 33: approach to resolve the problems that I've caused by fracking my well. I think you can

[1:16:01] Voice 33: see where this is going i frack you frack they frack we end up with a big fracking mess in our

[1:16:09] Voice 33: aquifer where will it lead um where will it lead i guess what you need to do is ask an expert

[1:16:20] Voice 33: anyway i implore you to apply due diligence to this proposal and the logical path would be to

[1:16:25] Voice 33: develop it gradually uh at the very best you'd wait until uh the churchill development is at

[1:16:32] Voice 33: least partially operating to assess what effect it would have on local groundwater but that that's

[1:16:37] Voice 33: the gold standard and i wouldn't really expect it given the time constraints and the need we have

[1:16:42] Voice 33: for affordable housing on gabriela but the very least that this trust committee should do is only

[1:16:49] Voice 33: approve this development in two phases two phases of 12 homes for each one um there should be enough

[1:16:56] Voice 33: temporal separation between the two phases to assess the effect of the first one before the

[1:17:02] Voice 33: second phase is developed. Given their choice, BC Housing Corporation also supported the concept of

[1:17:11] Voice 33: developing this in two separate phases. I think this should be the trust choice as well.

[1:17:20] Voice 33: So I'm suggesting that you grant third reading to the changes to the official community plan

[1:17:27] Voice 33: to develop low-cost community housing on gabriola as these changes are probably needed

[1:17:35] Voice 33: if other options aren't going to be considered things like secondary suites on the island i

[1:17:41] Voice 33: also suggest that you do not give third reading to the proponents proposal for rezoning until

[1:17:47] Voice 33: agreement is reached on the pace at which this development is to proceed so that we can determine

[1:17:53] Voice 33: the effects it will have on local groundwater supply. Anyway, I'll now leave you to three hours

[1:18:01] Voice 33: of deliberation. We

[1:18:03] Trustee Rogers: have a few more people to hear from first.

[1:18:04] Voice 33: Thank you

[1:18:07] Trustee Rogers: very much for your thoughts.

[1:18:09] Trustee Rogers: And again, I remind people that if they didn't feel they had enough time and wanted to come back

[1:18:14] Trustee Rogers: for a second, they are entitled, we would listen to you. So thank you, Mr. Fresnel. I'm going to

[1:18:20] Trustee Rogers: to move on to the next person on my list um who is hopefully this will work as jacinthe eastick

[1:18:28] Trustee Rogers: so let's see what happens when we promote jacinthe and i just say that because jacinthe has tried a

[1:18:35] Trustee Rogers: few times uh in in previous meetings and um we've been unable to connect with her so jacinthe you

[1:18:44] Trustee Rogers: are uh your mic is unmuted so we should be able to hear you you there jacinthe what device does

[1:19:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): What does she use? Is it a phone? Even if she could write in the text, that would help people.

[1:19:12] Trustee Rogers: I don't know. I know that Will has worked with the C-Stick, and they've done a trial, and I think it worked.

[1:19:21] Trustee Rogers: And I see that she's been typing in the, trying to phone in, and that's not working either.

[1:19:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Is there a star command if she's on the phone?

[1:19:33] Trustee Rogers: I don't think she is on the phone right now.

[1:19:35] Trustee Rogers: I

[1:19:37] Voice 19: believe that she ran into difficulty.

[1:19:41] Voice 19: She says that the phone number is not toll-free,

[1:19:45] Voice 19: which is surprising to me.

[1:19:47] Voice 19: I've requested assistance, but

[1:19:49] Voice 17: I haven't

[1:19:52] Voice 19: heard anything different.

[1:19:54] Voice 19: So I'm not sure what the issue is.

[1:19:59] Voice 19: She says the phones don't work.

[1:20:01] Voice 19: I have recommended to her that perhaps she will have to rely on sending an

[1:20:06] Voice 19: emailed to north ph sub so that it can be read out at the beginning at the end of the um of the

[1:20:13] Voice 19: public hearing because it's not uh it's not working so she's asked me to try it myself but

[1:20:21] Voice 19: i don't i can't do that while i'm running the webinar so unfortunately

[1:20:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it is toll free and i

[1:20:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): got i just i tried there a second ago so oh

[1:20:30] Voice 19: there you go so it's

[1:20:33] Trustee Rogers: very yeah it's very frustrating

[1:20:34] Trustee Rogers: this is and it's and it's always it's been consistently mesistic that we've had this

[1:20:40] Trustee Rogers: issue with and um right

[1:20:42] Voice 19: and

[1:20:43] Trustee Rogers: i i really um you know it's unfortunate that we and i need to see

[1:20:51] Trustee Rogers: now that she's gone so i don't know if she's gone completely or have you moved her back so

[1:20:57] Trustee Rogers: let's see if she comes back and let's hope we can hear from her uh the next person on the list

[1:21:03] Trustee Rogers: is um uh john pierce does that work yes yes you it certainly does we can see you

[1:21:26] Trustee Rogers: good

[1:21:27] Voice 28: thank you thank you mr rogers um my name is john pierce i live at 1641 el verano drive

[1:21:35] Voice 28: been on gabriel for 12 years good morning to the trustees in the interest of full disclosure

[1:21:42] Voice 28: i am the spouse of the president of the gabriel housing society but the comments here are my

[1:21:48] Voice 28: personal opinion, and I don't speak for the Housing Society in any way whatsoever.

[1:21:54] Voice 28: When I moved to Gabriola 12 years ago, it was immediately apparent that the community had

[1:22:00] Voice 28: inadequate housing for renters. Even then, businesses had trouble finding junior staff

[1:22:06] Voice 28: who wanted to work for an hourly wage, contribute to the community, and live on Gabriola. I joined

[1:22:13] Voice 28: the board of the Chamber of Commerce with the express intent of working on the housing problem

[1:22:18] Voice 28: so that we could build a more robust and local economy.

[1:22:23] Voice 28: For the last 10 years, the Chamber has worked diligently behind the scenes,

[1:22:28] Voice 28: trying to do what it can, not its real mandate,

[1:22:31] Voice 28: to improve the availability of decent rental housing on Gabriola.

[1:22:36] Voice 28: Now, finally, we're on the verge of moving ahead

[1:22:40] Voice 28: with a well-thought-out plan for an affordable housing complex

[1:22:43] Voice 28: complex, which balances the critical housing needs of the community with the environmental

[1:22:51] Voice 28: constraints of living on an island in a sensitive ecosystem.

[1:22:59] Voice 28: I strongly support this urgently needed proposal for affordable housing.

[1:23:05] Voice 28: As trustees, I urge you to approve this proposal and help this community finally take some

[1:23:12] Voice 28: some really firm steps towards addressing the housing crisis

[1:23:17] Voice 28: that we face on this island.

[1:23:20] Voice 28: And if you choose not to approve this proposal, God forbid,

[1:23:24] Voice 28: then the social fabric of this community

[1:23:27] Voice 28: will in my opinion, be forever torn

[1:23:29] Voice 28: and Gabriola will become less diverse, less vibrant

[1:23:33] Voice 28: and a less caring community.

[1:23:35] Voice 28: As we watch people who have been part of our community

[1:23:40] Voice 28: forced to move off the island

[1:23:41] Voice 28: because of lack of decent and secure housing.

[1:23:46] Voice 28: That finishes my prepared comments.

[1:23:49] Voice 28: I just want to make a couple of comments

[1:23:51] Voice 28: with respect to some points that Bob Andrew made.

[1:23:55] Voice 28: With regard to the walking trail,

[1:23:57] Voice 28: there is a possibility of putting,

[1:23:59] Voice 28: there is a trail through the MCon land

[1:24:01] Voice 28: between their yard fence and their property boundary,

[1:24:05] Voice 28: which goes from Paisley Place

[1:24:07] Voice 28: to the new walking trail on the village way.

[1:24:11] Voice 28: way. So Galt could get a trail license there. It would be an excellent solution. It would keep

[1:24:17] Voice 28: pedestrian traffic off of Lockingham, off of Lock and Bar. With regard to rainwater, which I do know

[1:24:24] Voice 28: quite a bit about, I'll just point out that the clean, the gray water system that they're

[1:24:30] Voice 28: proposing for the development cuts their water usage by 30%. And they're also putting in a

[1:24:38] Voice 28: significant amount of storage to the extent of one month of one month of

[1:24:45] Voice 28: storage which will cut the strain on the well in the summertime and with regard

[1:24:53] Voice 28: to the septic the septic will be put in with regard with following provincial

[1:24:57] Voice 28: regulations and should address all of the concerns that Bob raised thank you

[1:25:02] Voice 28: for your time thank

[1:25:04] Trustee Rogers: you mr uh pierce i appreciate your comments and magically

[1:25:11] Trustee Rogers: uh there you are it's nice to uh see you i see we've lost um i perhaps just turned his camera

[1:25:19] Trustee Rogers: off trustee longer eyes but uh justin um i'm glad you were able to find your way in today

[1:25:27] Trustee Rogers: day and i can't hear you though can see you but i can't hear you can't hear you something to do

[1:25:41] Trustee Rogers: with your mic or your can you hear her case no uh

[1:25:56] Voice 31: the mic showed as open and then but still couldn't

[1:26:00] Voice 31: hear the

[1:26:03] Trustee Rogers: mic is open it's something to do is um your mic miss easton yeah

[1:26:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's the audio settings

[1:26:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): since it maybe she just unplugs whatever headset she's using she could just use the

[1:26:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): mic the computer

[1:26:14] Voice 19: yeah audio because

[1:26:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it might it's just the audio settings might not be connected

[1:26:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): with the headset perhaps

[1:26:24] Voice 19: uh jacinthe don't touch anything for a moment i'm gonna try and unmute you

[1:26:29] Voice 19: from my end and then i'm gonna ask you to speak okay let's let's see if no it's actually shown you

[1:26:40] Voice 19: as unmuted already

[1:26:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's the audio settings there i

[1:26:55] Voice 19: don't know could

[1:27:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): someone provide tech support

[1:27:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um just offline and we can continue and it's it's it's i can kind of see what the issue is

[1:27:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): she's got a headset and it's not the audio setting so it's just um i don't want to do

[1:27:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): tech support in this but um the audio settings down under the by the mute button on some devices

[1:27:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): audio settings, and then you can figure out test speaker, test mic,

[1:27:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): change your audio, headset, microphone, try different options.

[1:27:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): See if you get a result.

[1:27:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): You can test it.

[1:27:42] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:27:44] Voice 10: I'm

[1:27:44] Voice 19: not quite sure.

[1:27:46] Voice 10: Jacinthe,

[1:27:46] Voice 19: perhaps if you email me your phone number,

[1:27:50] Voice 19: I can see if our tech support person can give you a phone call.

[1:27:54] Voice 19: Would that be useful?

[1:27:57] Voice 19: Yeah.

[1:27:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Thumbs up.

[1:27:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Thumbs up.

[1:27:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Go with thumbs.

[1:27:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Thumbs work really well.

[1:28:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there we go so

[1:28:01] Voice 19: so just email me your phone number and i will have someone call you okay okay

[1:28:07] Trustee Rogers: so perfect thank you uh will and maybe you can move her i know if you move her back that we

[1:28:13] Trustee Rogers: you can't she can't speak anymore but um um i'm just looking it's uh 11 30 i wondered if uh

[1:28:21] Trustee Rogers: trustees would like to take five minutes and then we'll carry through uh i know we only yeah i i'd

[1:28:27] Trustee Rogers: like to do that so we're going to just pause for for five minutes for a comfort break and and uh

[1:28:33] Trustee Rogers: we'll be back in um at 11 35 so thank you everyone

[1:28:36] Voice 20: okay i want to talk about bylaw proposed by the

[1:28:39] Voice 20: 306.

[1:28:40] Trustee Rogers: um thank you okay let's um are we are the trustees ready to recommence yes they're ready

[1:28:47] Trustee Rogers: so go ahead justin i

[1:28:49] Voice 20: want to speak um with concern about proposed by the 306 and um the

[1:28:57] Voice 20: last time that we did an OCP review, the community set parameters as to what they defined and

[1:29:06] Voice 20: considered affordable housing. And it was 30% of the household income that applies to those

[1:29:15] Voice 20: households with income that are 60% below the median. You know this. Everybody else knows this.

[1:29:21] Voice 20: My point is, this proposed bylaw is taking that, all the parameters that the community set in the OCP, what they consider affordable.

[1:29:35] Voice 20: And it's putting it or relegating it to a housing agreement.

[1:29:41] Voice 20: And I do not believe that it is wise to not instruct the trustees or give them parameters to define affordable housing, just them.

[1:30:00] Voice 20: and negotiating it with an applicant in the future.

[1:30:03] Voice 20: So I would like to see a return, at least, outside of a plan review,

[1:30:09] Voice 20: because this is not a plan review.

[1:30:11] Voice 20: It's doing a review of the plan through an application,

[1:30:13] Voice 20: and sometimes, depending on the greatness of the amendments,

[1:30:20] Voice 20: it's sometimes not advisable.

[1:30:23] Voice 20: So I would like to see the trustees consider adding a parameter

[1:30:29] Voice 20: in proposed ballot 306 that at least says something about the threshold that would be

[1:30:37] Voice 20: acceptable by the community to give instruction to the local trust committee okay so i would even go

[1:30:46] Voice 20: far as far as saying 30 which is a generally agreed to definition in the province in canada

[1:30:53] Voice 20: 30% of the gross income, but right now there is nothing in proposed bylaw 306, and I don't agree with that.

[1:31:02] Voice 20: At least I have several concerns about it, so I would like to suggest that you add something there.

[1:31:08] Voice 20: It does not require another public hearing or anything.

[1:31:11] Voice 20: And I will come back to discuss point by point at a later date and leave people talking, and I'll come back.

[1:31:17] Voice 20: Now that I seem to be on. Thank you.

[1:31:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Did they hear me?

[1:31:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): We can hear you, Chair Rogers.

[1:31:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): You're muted now.

[1:31:34] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:31:35] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:31:36] Trustee Rogers: I just said, are you done?

[1:31:37] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:31:38] Trustee Rogers: We'll move you back to the attendee list.

[1:31:41] Trustee Rogers: If you want to put your hand up again, we'll work through the remaining people with their hands up.

[1:31:46] Trustee Rogers: The next one is Mr. Henry Reeve.

[1:32:00] Voice 24: Hi.

[1:32:00] Voice 24: Good afternoon.

[1:32:01] Voice 24: Good morning.

[1:32:03] Trustee Rogers: It is still morning, yes.

[1:32:05] Voice 24: It is still morning for a couple more minutes.

[1:32:06] Voice 24: um yeah i just wanted to thank you for um allowing me to to take a couple minutes to speak on this

[1:32:14] Voice 24: issue um i have already sent an email as well um but i just wanted to follow up with a speech

[1:32:20] Voice 24: um just wanted to introduce myself my name is henry reeve um i live on chichester road on

[1:32:28] Voice 24: gabriola um i'm a currently a resident and a homeowner on the island um i've lived on the

[1:32:35] Voice 24: the island off and on for well over 30 years. You've previously heard from my mother, Phyllis

[1:32:40] Voice 24: Reeve. I first moved here in the mid 80s with my parents. As I said, I'm currently a landowner

[1:32:49] Voice 24: and a resident of the island. I've owned property on the island for about seven years and the first

[1:32:55] Voice 24: five years or so I was renting that property out. During that time, I became very familiar with

[1:33:03] Voice 24: with the issues surrounding rental property availability on the island.

[1:33:07] Voice 24: When I posted my property for rent, I had multiple replies within minutes of that posting.

[1:33:18] Voice 24: And within 24 hours, I had interviewed several very qualified candidates to rent the property,

[1:33:27] Voice 24: Ended up having to select one out of the bunch, which was extremely difficult because I knew that at the same time, there were some very qualified and very, you know, some people that were key to the island that were not going to get the spot.

[1:33:43] Voice 24: spot. So because of that, and because of my longer history on the island, my family owns a business

[1:33:50] Voice 24: where we've employed people who are, you know, making minimum wage or students or whatever

[1:33:55] Voice 24: at the business. And it's always been an issue of finding housing for these people.

[1:34:02] Voice 24: So I'm quite familiar with the issues surrounding the availability of affordable rental housing.

[1:34:08] Voice 24: And this is not just the low income, but I mean, for people that are employed, but you're not, you know, not making above minimum wage, it's, it's a challenge.

[1:34:20] Voice 24: And so I am in support of this project because, and the bylaw changes that are going, are being proposed, because I believe that they will pave the way for some secure rental housing on the island, and hopefully for future projects that will also do the same.

[1:34:43] Voice 24: also i wanted to say that you know in this case we are being given an opportunity as a public to

[1:34:50] Voice 24: have input as as to what is happening on this privately held property that's currently zoned

[1:34:55] Voice 24: industrial and for those of us that have been involved in the island um for a long time we

[1:35:01] Voice 24: remember several previous occasions where we've had similar opportunities and um you know the

[1:35:09] Voice 24: The history shows that when we have an opportunity to speak to what happens with the development of private lands, things work out better for the island as a whole.

[1:35:19] Voice 24: If we don't go forward with this project, we will lose our opportunity to have a say as to what happens with this property.

[1:35:28] Voice 24: And it could very well all end up being clear cut and used for some other use that's within its current zoning.

[1:35:34] Voice 24: So for all those reasons, I encourage the trust committee to approve these bylaw changes and to do what we can to facilitate the Pays to the Place project. Thanks very much.

[1:35:49] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much, Mr. Reeve. The next person on the list is Amy Block.

[1:36:08] Voice 18: We

[1:36:08] Trustee Rogers: can hear you. We can't see you, but that's up to you whether you want to turn. There you are.

[1:36:13] Trustee Rogers: there you are thank

[1:36:15] Voice 27: you hi guys thank you so much for making this happen and here you're going to

[1:36:21] Voice 27: get two for the price of one because paul's here also actually you're getting three because our

[1:36:26] Voice 27: grandson is here too right here but i i want to uh i want to speak as a um paul and i have been

[1:36:34] Voice 27: on the island on and off for the last 21 years we have we own a gorgeous piece of property on the

[1:36:41] Voice 27: south end um i've been involved with phc extensively involved with the community there

[1:36:48] Voice 27: for the last 20 years 15 actually 15 20 years and i want to thank you i want to thank all the work

[1:36:57] Voice 27: that's being put into this property and the effort that that the housing society is making

[1:37:06] Voice 27: to ensure that others are safe with housing that is affordable and, more importantly, sustainable.

[1:37:17] Voice 27: And for me, it's not about the what.

[1:37:22] Voice 27: We have a responsibility to provide these kinds of houses.

[1:37:27] Voice 27: It's about the how.

[1:37:29] Voice 27: The what is evident.

[1:37:30] Voice 27: The what is something that we absolutely have to come through.

[1:37:34] Voice 27: how we do it is ongoingly addressing issues that come up exactly what we're doing now.

[1:37:43] Voice 27: So thank you, thank you, thank you for persevering, for working through these issues,

[1:37:48] Voice 27: for continuing to engage everybody inclusively and muddling through.

[1:37:57] Voice 27: And now I know Paul wants to talk too.

[1:38:00] Voice 30: I'll

[1:38:01] Voice 27: add my

[1:38:02] Voice 30: two cents quickly.

[1:38:03] Voice 30: quickly. I've written letters to the trustees. I put a letter in the sounder. This is a great,

[1:38:09] Voice 30: great opportunity. And it is so desperately needed by many people, many people that I know who are

[1:38:15] Voice 30: at risk of having to leave the island. We're not talking about more people coming on the island,

[1:38:20] Voice 30: increasing population or anything like that. Finding decent, stable housing for people.

[1:38:26] Voice 30: people. And I know the GHS is working with the best of intentions. And not only that,

[1:38:33] Voice 30: they're doing as much due diligence as they can in terms of hiring the scientific experts to

[1:38:39] Voice 30: determine how do we deal with these problems, especially water and the other issues that come

[1:38:44] Voice 30: up and trees. And from what I can tell, they are using every effort to compromise, to listen,

[1:38:52] Voice 30: Look at this. Everybody's able to give their input. And of course, there's issues. Nothing's

[1:38:58] Voice 30: ever going to be perfect. If somebody wants to build an echo community with tiny homes,

[1:39:03] Voice 30: that's a wonderful idea. Let's find another place to do that. This is ongoing. It's not being

[1:39:09] Voice 30: rushed. It's been years in the making. And it's such a desperate need that I'm fully supportive

[1:39:14] Voice 30: of the way GHS is approaching it, the openness to discuss with everybody, the pulling in of

[1:39:20] Voice 30: the experts. Nothing's guaranteed. There will be problems. Nothing's perfect, but this is better

[1:39:25] Voice 30: than anything that I've seen done on this island in the last 10 years in terms of trying to provide

[1:39:31] Voice 30: housing for people. I think it's fantastic, and I give you full credit and kudos for doing so,

[1:39:36] Voice 30: and also to the trustees for being open to change and to work on those bylaws to make it happen.

[1:39:42] Voice 30: So thank you for your great efforts, and good luck, and let's do it.

[1:39:48] Voice 30: Cassius agrees.

[1:39:51] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[1:39:58] Trustee Rogers: It comes up as Deborah on my screen.

[1:40:01] Trustee Rogers: I expect that might be Ms. Ferencz.

[1:40:04] Trustee Rogers: So, okay, you're promoted.

[1:40:23] Trustee Rogers: You should be able to turn your mic on, Deborah.

[1:40:28] Trustee Rogers: There you are.

[1:40:30] Trustee Rogers: Got it.

[1:40:31] Trustee Rogers: I can see you.

[1:40:32] Voice 23: Okay.

[1:40:34] Trustee Rogers: And can hear you.

[1:40:36] Voice 23: Thank you.

[1:40:37] Voice 23: Hello, and thank you for this opportunity

[1:40:41] Voice 23: to receive my comments on the draft bylaws

[1:40:45] Voice 23: and hear my concern for the forested lots.

[1:40:49] Voice 23: I'd like to start with just some general comments

[1:40:52] Voice 23: on the draft bylaws, 306 and 307.

[1:40:56] Voice 23: The income criteria for affordable housing

[1:40:59] Voice 23: should be set in the OCP and LUB,

[1:41:03] Voice 23: not in the housing agreement.

[1:41:05] Voice 23: And the trust housing agreement template

[1:41:08] Voice 23: The template provides flexibility for any future individual applications to insert project-specific details, and the proposed new zone, MAH1, should only apply to the current application, the two Gabriel Housing Society lots.

[1:41:26] Voice 23: lots. Specifically on OCP bylaw 306, do not replace low income families with low to moderate

[1:41:35] Voice 23: income families. Do not remove the maximum family income eligibility criterion. And do not remove

[1:41:44] Voice 23: rent costs must not exceed 30% of family income. Specifically on land use bylaw 307,

[1:41:56] Voice 23: Ensure that the multiple family residential uses are clearly intended for duplexes and triplexes and does not allow for other configurations, such as fourplexes or an apartment building.

[1:42:10] Voice 23: I'm still feeling uncertain whether home occupations should be permitted in the new

[1:42:17] Voice 23: MAH1 zone, but please ensure that home occupations are intended only for this application and not

[1:42:25] Voice 23: necessarily for any other future affordable multifamily developments. Concerning the DP11,

[1:42:33] Voice 23: the environmental protection, we do seem to spend infinitely more time on what to permit

[1:42:38] Voice 23: than what to protect and while commendable dp-11 environmental protection does permit development

[1:42:45] Voice 23: activity the use of the word should in several of the guidelines is an unfortunate choice

[1:42:52] Voice 23: which implies a recommendation instead of the using words like shall or must which come much

[1:43:00] Voice 23: closer to imposing an obligation so just for one example a buffer around each nest tree should be

[1:43:08] Voice 23: be left undisturbed. I think it should say a buffer around each nest tree is to be left

[1:43:14] Voice 23: undisturbed. Concerning Housing Agreement By-law 308, the proposed housing agreement in Section

[1:43:23] Voice 23: 219 Covenant, a housing agreement is the LTC's only tool to enforce affordable housing terms,

[1:43:32] Voice 23: such as rent amounts, increases, fees, qualified occupants, and restrictions, and it must be

[1:43:38] Voice 23: crafted with the utmost attention to detail to prevent any future unintended consequences

[1:43:46] Voice 23: the draft housing agreement bylaw 308 in the public hearing binder which was given first

[1:43:53] Voice 23: reading at November 26 LTC meeting appears to be the same draft that trust legal counsel

[1:43:59] Voice 23: pointedly expressed a concern regarding clause e this section could leave open the number of

[1:44:07] Voice 23: of affordable market units versus low income units offered

[1:44:12] Voice 23: and which could lead to all of the units being market units.

[1:44:16] Voice 23: And in addition, the Housing Agreement By-law as drafted

[1:44:20] Voice 23: also contains numerous references to the approval

[1:44:23] Voice 23: of the affordable housing funder in relation to rental rates,

[1:44:30] Voice 23: affordable rental housing eligibility concept design.

[1:44:34] Voice 23: And in some cases,

[1:44:35] Voice 23: is the definition of a qualified document. And while I understand and appreciate the necessity

[1:44:40] Voice 23: of securing funding for the project, it is troubling that an external off-island funder

[1:44:46] Voice 23: could determine critical aspects of specific Gabriela affordable housing needs. It's my

[1:44:53] Voice 23: understanding that the legal review is currently ongoing for the current draft of the housing

[1:44:58] Voice 23: agreement. I respectfully ask that the trustees put off second and third reading of the housing

[1:45:04] Voice 23: agreement at this time until the legal review is complete and that any legal concerns are attended

[1:45:11] Voice 23: to and that the public has further opportunity to review and make comment. And I do understand

[1:45:18] Voice 23: that this is an administrative bylaw and doesn't even necessarily have to go through a public

[1:45:23] Voice 23: hearing. So I appreciate that it's here today. Will the covenant be registered on title before

[1:45:30] Voice 23: for the final adoption of the bylaw and it should be and if not a letter of understanding from the

[1:45:36] Voice 23: applicant solicitor to register the covenant for the housing agreement on title upon adoption

[1:45:43] Voice 23: of the proposed bylaws should be required. So does this application meet the test of

[1:45:51] Voice 23: affordability specific to Gabriel housing needs? The applicant acknowledges that this application

[1:45:57] Voice 23: is just one part of what needs to be a multifaceted approach

[1:46:01] Voice 23: to meet affordable housing needs on the island.

[1:46:04] Voice 23: And I agree, there's lots more that needs to be done.

[1:46:08] Voice 23: I do appreciate the intent for mixing household diversity,

[1:46:13] Voice 23: seniors, families with a range of income.

[1:46:16] Voice 23: I understand the strategy behind that,

[1:46:19] Voice 23: but it does feel at looking at some of the configurations

[1:46:22] Voice 23: configurations, that the least number of units is for those with the least financial capacity.

[1:46:30] Voice 23: And it feels that we should always start with those most in need, have most of the units

[1:46:37] Voice 23: be available for those longer-term residents and those with most challenged financially.

[1:46:47] Voice 23: Ms.

[1:46:49] Trustee Rogers: Ferentz, your five minutes is up. Are you almost done? I don't want to interrupt you,

[1:46:53] Trustee Rogers: or you can come back

[1:46:54] Voice 23: i'm gonna come back because i'm not done so i'll i'll join later again but

[1:46:59] Voice 23: thank you

[1:47:00] Trustee Rogers: um thank you we'll see you in a minute there we're into i i saw someone with his hand up

[1:47:10] Trustee Rogers: it was a gentleman i don't remember the name anymore graham somebody and uh and i want to

[1:47:17] Trustee Rogers: to try and do first-time speakers before we get to, I see Ms. Shilliday and Ms. Eastick are back.

[1:47:25] Trustee Rogers: Lynn Bowerman, we have not heard, and then I'll come to you, Mr. Bradley.

[1:47:29] Trustee Rogers: You should be able to speak now, Ms. Bowerman. Yes.

[1:47:53] Trustee Rogers: You're welcome to turn your, there you are.

[1:47:57] Voice 12: Hi, thanks for squeezing me in. I wasn't sure if I could have time to speak today because I'm in

[1:48:02] Voice 12: in between preschool with my son so I was waiting for the end. I am a single mom on the island

[1:48:09] Voice 12: and I've rented here. I've lived here for 10 years now as of January 1st

[1:48:17] Voice 12: and it's scary as a single mom or single parent renter to not have completely secure housing

[1:48:28] Voice 12: And so this project is really exciting for me in that I'm never going to make a ton of money as a farmer on the island growing food for everyone.

[1:48:39] Voice 12: And I'm never going to possibly be able to buy land, which is crazy.

[1:48:43] Voice 12: And so for me to find somewhere that has secure rental is huge and such a stress off of my shoulders.

[1:48:58] Voice 12: And I know that that is a sentiment that is expressed by many people here on the island

[1:49:04] Voice 12: and especially by single parents who are struggling right now with COVID

[1:49:09] Voice 12: and being cooped up with somebody and then separating and not having anywhere to go.

[1:49:17] Voice 12: And it's a really, really huge challenge for us having to split finances and everything.

[1:49:26] Voice 12: So I would love to encourage that this project goes forward. I understand people's concerns for it. And I feel that the people who are on the housing committee have done a really great job with their due diligence, and they will continue to thrive to make this safe place for water and ecosystems.

[1:49:50] Voice 12: systems. And if I live there, then I can garden there and create that as well, which would be

[1:49:56] Voice 12: amazing. And so I'm just grateful that there's people on this island that are fighting for

[1:50:03] Voice 12: people like me to have secure housing. So thank you so much for squeezing me in and good luck to

[1:50:12] Voice 12: everything.

[1:50:13] Trustee Rogers: Okay. Thank you, Ms. Bellarmine. And like others, we did receive your correspondence

[1:50:18] Trustee Rogers: respondents as well, but most of the people. I'm going to go to Mr. Bradley, Graham Bradley,

[1:50:24] Trustee Rogers: next, because he is a first-time speaker. I don't want to dissuade. I see two names that

[1:50:31] Trustee Rogers: are second-time speakers, but I'd like to get the first-time speakers in first. So, Mr. Bradley.

[1:50:37] Trustee Rogers: Hello.

[1:50:38] Voice 32: Can you hear me? Yeah.

[1:50:41] Voice 32: Wonderful. Thank you for giving me some time to speak today.

[1:50:44] Voice 32: I'm coming to you today as the, I'm the president of the Chamber of Commerce of Gabriola and

[1:50:50] Voice 32: we have submitted two letters on this issue and we would very much like to support the

[1:50:59] Voice 32: changes to the bylaws in order to allow for this project to happen.

[1:51:03] Voice 32: We recognize that there is a real issue for local business owners, for housing for employees.

[1:51:11] Voice 32: there's been it's been a chronic issue for a long long time and very exciting to see a project that

[1:51:17] Voice 32: would be run by a not-for-profit um and its location is excellent in um concern to the

[1:51:24] Voice 32: proximity to the village so just wanted to keep it very brief that the council has voted

[1:51:30] Voice 32: overwhelmingly in favor of supporting this and we hope to see that you both um can pass the

[1:51:36] Voice 32: if I allowed to help this project with you.

[1:51:38] Voice 32: Thank you very much.

[1:51:40] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Mr. Bradley.

[1:51:44] Trustee Rogers: Another first-time name is Yolanda King.

[1:51:48] Trustee Rogers: So if we could hear from, if you could promote Yolanda,

[1:51:53] Trustee Rogers: that would be good.

[1:52:06] Voice 22: Hi, can you hear me now?

[1:52:07] Trustee Rogers: We can.

[1:52:10] Voice 22: Suddenly I lost everybody.

[1:52:11] Voice 22: I apologize.

[1:52:12] Trustee Rogers: Oh, and there's your, well, it's because you were,

[1:52:14] Trustee Rogers: then you were promoted.

[1:52:15] Trustee Rogers: That's why.

[1:52:16] Voice 22: Okay.

[1:52:16] Voice 22: we

[1:52:17] Trustee Rogers: moved you from one second room to another room and that's probably what occurred

[1:52:21] Trustee Rogers: anyway go ahead we can see you and hear you okay

[1:52:23] Voice 22: great um i hopefully this will stay under five

[1:52:27] Voice 22: minutes i haven't done this before so um as i said my name is yolanda king and i think we've

[1:52:33] Voice 22: been on gabriola for about 10 years now um we my my husband and i are fortunate to be

[1:52:39] Voice 22: property owners. We haven't built our house yet, but we have been approached by a number of people

[1:52:47] Voice 22: since we purchased our property asking if they could park their RVs on our land because they

[1:52:55] Voice 22: need somewhere to go. We did attend the community meeting early on in this process that was held at

[1:53:02] Voice 22: the Haven and listened to heartbreaking presentations from many long-term residents of

[1:53:10] Voice 22: Gabriola, including seniors who have been displaced from their homes. There were presentations from

[1:53:18] Voice 22: people that are couch surfing, things like that. So obviously there is a very serious need for this

[1:53:25] Voice 22: secure housing. So I'd fully support the current application to rezone Paisley Place

[1:53:32] Voice 22: from institutional to residential, but with the notable exception of the proposed amendment to

[1:53:39] Voice 22: the OCP draft bylaw 306, which would change multi-family affordable housing intended for

[1:53:48] Voice 22: for seniors, special needs and low income families

[1:53:52] Voice 22: to now include moderate income families.

[1:53:55] Voice 22: I believe this change will severely limit

[1:53:58] Voice 22: the number of units that are so desperately needed

[1:54:01] Voice 22: for those in our community that are at greatest peril.

[1:54:04] Voice 22: If that change alone is needed by the GHS

[1:54:08] Voice 22: to secure the current lender support,

[1:54:11] Voice 22: then I feel that at this point,

[1:54:13] Voice 22: alternative options for financing must still be pursued so having said that I I

[1:54:24] Voice 22: implore you to take a pause and reflect I think this is an incredible

[1:54:29] Voice 22: opportunity before us to be examples of what's possible when a community comes

[1:54:34] Voice 22: together for the greater good or we move ahead in haste and find ourselves on the

[1:54:41] Voice 22: precipice where we are continuing this destructive path of deforestation and irreversible damage to

[1:54:48] Voice 22: the earth. Due to the tireless efforts of the GHS, we are now here and we're at a moment where we as

[1:54:56] Voice 22: a collective are faced with the decision whether to proceed with the current plans to alter Paisley

[1:55:02] Voice 22: place forever to provide housing in the form of 24 units. So I want to just say, I want to ask

[1:55:11] Voice 22: people to please consider these questions. What if there is a different way to provide dwellings

[1:55:18] Voice 22: to help those residents that are truly in need first and not folks that make upwards of $56,000

[1:55:26] Voice 22: $212,000 per year? What if there is a way to retain more old growth trees? What if there is a

[1:55:34] Voice 22: way not to drill wells and impact the watershed or neighboring wells? What if there is a way not

[1:55:41] Voice 22: to dump human waste into our land by way of the septic fields? What if there is a way to remove

[1:55:48] Voice 22: the constraints of the government, developer, and lenders that stipulates that the majority

[1:55:54] Voice 22: of the units will be for moderate affordable housing and not for low-income housing. What if

[1:56:01] Voice 22: there is a way to give pride of ownership to the future tenants and stewardship of the land? I'm

[1:56:08] Voice 22: asking everyone to please consider an eco-village where humans make a smaller footprint by way of

[1:56:16] Voice 22: what is what is called tiny homes. I want to make sure that people understand that tiny homes are

[1:56:22] Voice 22: They're not trailers or RVs or mobile homes.

[1:56:26] Voice 22: I'm saying by all means proceed with changing the land use from its current institutional to multi-dwelling status.

[1:56:34] Voice 22: But find a way to designate the area for higher density, low impact micro housing.

[1:56:41] Voice 22: Use green technology.

[1:56:43] Voice 22: Use solar power.

[1:56:45] Voice 22: Use rainwater collection.

[1:56:48] Voice 22: Use pump and haul septic services.

[1:56:50] Voice 22: This is not a new concept. This type of housing is growing in movement all over the world. Increased inclusive housing of those in need with less damage to the earth. Sorry, my dog's barking in the background. I hope that's okay.

[1:57:06] Voice 22: for reference when I'm talking about this concept I would say think about the wooded sites that are

[1:57:13] Voice 22: currently found in Descanso campground if the current proposal will create 24 units of which

[1:57:21] Voice 22: only five of these units go to those that are truly in the low income residents those that are

[1:57:28] Voice 22: in dire need at that rate of occupancy everyone that's involved in this project has already

[1:57:33] Voice 22: admitted that this endeavor merely scratches the surface and in no way adequately addresses the

[1:57:40] Voice 22: severe lack of compassionate housing needed to solve the crisis that we're facing. And based

[1:57:47] Voice 22: on the figure of $8.2 million, that works out to a crude average expenditure of $340,000 per

[1:57:57] Voice 22: per dwelling. This is a figure that far exceeds the status quo for many current residents of

[1:58:04] Voice 22: Gabriola. Consider instead the kind of sustainable housing alternative that one could create for no

[1:58:11] Voice 22: more than $100,000 per unit. Beautifully appointed, safe, secure micro housing is achieved easily at

[1:58:20] Voice 22: this price point first consider that

[1:58:23] Trustee Rogers: with your five minutes is um are you gonna are you close

[1:58:27] Trustee Rogers: to being finished yes

[1:58:28] Voice 22: i am actually um sorry

[1:58:32] Trustee Rogers: to interrupt but i i've been fairly firm with

[1:58:35] Trustee Rogers: everybody trying to keep them to their time well

[1:58:38] Voice 22: i i can come back to actually i'll put myself on

[1:58:40] Voice 22: the return list then

[1:58:41] Trustee Rogers: okay thank you thank

[1:58:42] Voice 22: you we

[1:58:46] Trustee Rogers: actually are into um second time speakers i don't

[1:58:50] Trustee Rogers: see uh oh i just saw a hand pop up um i'm going to i see oh um mr dagan is up too so um let me

[1:59:03] Trustee Rogers: let me do this let me um i know that uh mr dagan has not spoken yet and then i'll come to uh the

[1:59:12] Trustee Rogers: second time speakers well actually i'll come to nancy heatherington pierce so um after i after

[1:59:18] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Dagan. So Mr. Dagan, let's go with you. And he's disappeared. Something's happened to his

[1:59:45] Trustee Rogers: connection, I think. Well, I don't see him on either the panelist or the attendees list anymore.

[1:59:53] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so maybe we'll wait for Mr. Dagan to come back. And so could we promote

[2:00:00] Trustee Rogers: Ms. Hetherington-Pierce, and then I'll come to Ms. Shilliday, hopefully, at that point.

[2:00:20] Trustee Rogers: Can see you. I'm not sure what happened to my, I know that Scott turned his camera off,

[2:00:25] Trustee Rogers: but I'm sure they're both here and listening. So over to you, Ms. Hetherington-Pierce,

[2:00:30] Trustee Rogers: three or five minutes.

[2:00:33] Voice 25: Thanks very much, Chair Rogers.

[2:00:39] Voice 25: So hello to all three of you trustees. Although I serve on the board of the Gabriola Housing

[2:00:45] Voice 25: Society, today I'm speaking as a member of the Gabriola community. I, like each of you,

[2:00:53] Voice 25: have read all the many letters and have heard all the many speakers over the past 12 months

[2:00:59] Voice 25: since the GHS application was submitted. A significant majority of all these responders

[2:01:07] Voice 25: believes that the Paisley Place Affordable Housing Project will definitely benefit Gabriola.

[2:01:14] Voice 25: up. In other words, that the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages. In my view,

[2:01:23] Voice 25: this significant majority opinion of the responders accurately represents the community's

[2:01:29] Voice 25: opinion that the advantages of this housing project far outweigh the disadvantages. So now

[2:01:37] Voice 25: the community needs your help for building this housing project in the next few years.

[2:01:44] Voice 25: So what do I mean by saying now the community needs your help?

[2:01:51] Voice 25: Your help comes in this way, by taking the step of passing third reading of Bylaws 306 and 307 later today,

[2:02:00] Voice 25: which means the Housing Society could submit a stronger application on January 15th for the government funding to build the project.

[2:02:10] Voice 25: project. As has been stated by so many, building affordable housing on Gabriola in the next few

[2:02:18] Voice 25: years is in our community's interest. I believe it is the job of our elected local government

[2:02:26] Voice 25: representatives to be very mindful of this strong and clear community interest as you consider the

[2:02:34] Voice 25: OCP and LUB changes that are part of our application. The competition for government

[2:02:41] Voice 25: the government money will be extremely high.

[2:02:44] Voice 25: So a strong application from GHS is extremely important

[2:02:49] Voice 25: to be successful in obtaining money to build speaking.

[2:02:55] Trustee Rogers: Just for a second.

[2:02:57] Trustee Rogers: Yes, Mr. Dagan, I see you.

[2:02:59] Trustee Rogers: I moved on.

[2:03:00] Trustee Rogers: We'll come back to you in a moment if I can.

[2:03:01] Voice 8: No, I understand.

[2:03:02] Trustee Rogers: Sorry.

[2:03:03] Trustee Rogers: You can mute yourself, please.

[2:03:04] Trustee Rogers: And maybe we'll move him back to the attendees.

[2:03:07] Trustee Rogers: That would be great.

[2:03:09] Trustee Rogers: Go ahead.

[2:03:10] Trustee Rogers: Sorry to interrupt.

[2:03:11] Voice 25: That's okay. So I'll just back up a bit and say that I believe it's the job of our elected local government representatives to be very mindful of this strong and clear community interest, as you consider the

[2:03:24] Voice 25: OPC and LUB changes that are part of the application, and perhaps even some further amendments that you deem important.

[2:03:33] Voice 25: The competition for government money will be extremely high.

[2:03:38] Voice 25: So a strong application from GHS is extremely important to be successful in obtaining money to build in 2022 and then open in 2023.

[2:03:51] Voice 25: So in closing, I urge you to help the Paisley Place Affordable Housing Project become a reality in two years.

[2:03:58] Voice 25: Thank you.

[2:04:03] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you very much.

[2:04:05] Trustee Rogers: Can

[2:04:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I ask a question?

[2:04:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): question. I

[2:04:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just missed something with the audio issues there. When Nancy talked right before

[2:04:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): amendments, and if you've written remarks, you just go back to that part right there.

[2:04:24] Voice 19: I'm just promoting

[2:04:25] Voice 19: her again.

[2:04:31] Trustee Rogers: You need to unmute yourself, Nancy.

[2:04:34] Voice 25: Thanks. So I was saying, as has been stated by so many in the community,

[2:04:43] Voice 25: building affordable housing in the next few years

[2:04:47] Voice 25: is in our community's interest.

[2:04:49] Voice 25: And I believe it's the job of our elected

[2:04:52] Voice 25: local government representatives to be very mindful

[2:04:56] Voice 25: of this strong and clear community opinion,

[2:04:59] Voice 25: as you consider the OCP and LUB changes

[2:05:03] Voice 25: that are part of the application.

[2:05:06] Trustee Rogers: Not the part you were asking about trustee Colbert?

[2:05:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, I was just making the amendments pieces.

[2:05:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I just wanted to be clear about where the amendments

[2:05:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): were coming either to the to the ocp and leb bylaws or to the housing agreement that's the

[2:05:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's the little point i missed there oh

[2:05:22] Voice 25: i only meant that if there are further small amendments

[2:05:29] Voice 25: that you see need to be made to bylaws 306 and 307 um i'm saying still what i'm urging you to do

[2:05:42] Voice 25: is give third reading to those two bylaws later on today.

[2:05:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay. Thank you.

[2:05:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I just want to hear which one of the three you were speaking to.

[2:05:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Thank you.

[2:05:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Thank you very much.

[2:05:54] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[2:05:57] Trustee Rogers: Now, I think Mr. Dagan is still in the panelist list.

[2:06:03] Trustee Rogers: And so, sir, you can turn your camera and your mic on and join us.

[2:06:10] Trustee Rogers: It

[2:06:21] Voice 8: says the host has disabled my video.

[2:06:25] Voice 8: Oh, OK. OK, now we're in business.

[2:06:28] Voice 8: There you

[2:06:29] Trustee Rogers: go. OK, sir. Off you go. You're five minutes. Thank you very much.

[2:06:33] Trustee Rogers: Thank

[2:06:33] Voice 8: you very much. And well, not good morning anymore, but good day.

[2:06:39] Voice 8: um the i'd like to thank mrs marshall for her real life uh position on the effect on the

[2:06:51] Voice 8: situation on gabriola island in regards to her views on affordable housing i'd like to thank

[2:06:59] Voice 8: her very much because it was very real um we live on an island not only that we live on an island

[2:07:08] Voice 8: by choice and by its very nature an island is limited and as Mrs. Marshall pointed out

[2:07:18] Voice 8: this island has its limitations. We have limitations in view of our ecological systems,

[2:07:25] Voice 8: we have limitations as far as population goes or the capacity to sustain it. I think we're at

[2:07:33] Voice 8: the edge of sustainability and we are essentially here creating 20 new densities

[2:07:43] Voice 8: out of thin air. I do not think that is right. Furthermore, much is made that we're preserving

[2:07:50] Voice 8: 50% of a forest. If you fragmentate a forest by taking down 50%, it is no longer a forest

[2:08:01] Voice 8: and it is no longer an ecological system.

[2:08:06] Voice 8: I pointed out last time that the area in which the septic is supposed to be sited is swampy.

[2:08:15] Voice 8: It was basically poo-pooed, and I'm thankful to Mr. Andrews for revisiting that

[2:08:23] Voice 8: and pointing out that it is actually a swamp with poor drainage.

[2:08:28] Voice 8: So there are true and real concerns about the water.

[2:08:33] Voice 8: There are true and real concerns about the potential contamination by the septic.

[2:08:42] Voice 8: And there are true concerns about the destruction of the forest up there.

[2:08:54] Voice 8: and if we have a problem if we're saying well it's private land they can cut it down then we

[2:09:03] Voice 8: need to change our bylaws in regards to preserving forested areas and this is a recharge zone for a

[2:09:12] Voice 8: large area within a kilometer of the paisley place well there are over half of the wells

[2:09:22] Voice 8: on Gabriola Island, 150. And while the hydrologists do not agree on everything,

[2:09:34] Voice 8: they agree on one thing, and that is over the years all the monitored wells on Gabriola Island

[2:09:42] Voice 8: have shown a continuing and increasing drop in levels at depreciation over the

[2:09:54] Voice 8: summer months. This they agree on. They also agree that the more wells are put

[2:09:59] Voice 8: in a particular zone, the more drawdown exists on the water levels. So we are

[2:10:07] Voice 8: are not really in favor of this project we are not in favor of further development of the island

[2:10:16] Voice 8: i know that mr scott coburn is quoted in the toronto star that we need to preserve

[2:10:27] Voice 8: green spaces that we need to preserve trees it's not about preserving a single tree a single tree

[2:10:35] Voice 8: doesn't make a forest and if you take down half a forest it is no longer a forest we we need to

[2:10:42] Voice 8: take a step back and we need to reassess there are other ways of housing people other than building

[2:10:49] Voice 8: what amounts to condos a condominium here predominantly and for most part for people

[2:10:59] Voice 8: people who have an income of up to a family income of up to a hundred thousand I'm sorry

[2:11:07] Voice 8: that's that's right out of the GHS and it doesn't make sense because those that really need it

[2:11:15] Voice 8: don't qualify in fact most of the people don't qualify for this so we've been I've been a

[2:11:23] Voice 8: a resident on this island for 25 years, my wife has been a resident on this island for 38.

[2:11:29] Voice 8: We think this is, we moved here by choice and so has everyone else. This is not a penal colony

[2:11:39] Voice 8: and we are a rural community. We do not want this project, we do not want any further development.

[2:11:47] Voice 8: In fact, according to the Islands Trust's own surveys, you do not have a mandate for this.

[2:11:54] Voice 8: You do

[2:11:55] Voice 8: have a mandate to preserve and protect,

[2:11:58] Voice 17: and

[2:11:59] Voice 8: protect the ecology of the islands, to protect the forests, and you do not have a mandate to develop. Thank you.

[2:12:09] Voice 8: I

[2:12:09] Trustee Rogers: don't want to put you on the spot, and if you don't feel comfortable

[2:12:13] Trustee Rogers: answering this question, but I know that your name has been

[2:12:16] Trustee Rogers: associated with a number of the other residents of the area.

[2:12:23] Trustee Rogers: I've been curious about one thing, because I know

[2:12:25] Trustee Rogers: almost nobody addresses it, is these lands are

[2:12:29] Trustee Rogers: zoned institutional. Yes. Currently.

[2:12:34] Voice 8: Currently, yes. It does change every few years.

[2:12:36] Trustee Rogers: Am I understanding that you would prefer an institution like a school or a community center or something like that on these lands rather than what's proposed?

[2:12:48] Voice 8: I think,

[2:12:49] Voice 8: okay, I think right from the outset when MCON cut into the forest there, that was a mistake, right from the outset.

[2:12:58] Trustee Rogers: Okay, but

[2:12:58] Trustee Rogers: we are where we are. So I'd like you to address my, I don't want to get into a debate with you. So I just want to, I've just been curious about that question. So I just want to understand what your view would be if someone came along and said, you know what, we're going to build an institution there, whatever it might be.

[2:13:18] Voice 21: We can correct mistakes.

[2:13:20] Voice 21: um

[2:13:20] Voice 8: first of all we can correct mistakes and secondly how am i supposed to say what that

[2:13:27] Voice 8: institution is or what the footprint is or what the potential damage to the recharge area the um

[2:13:34] Voice 8: water recharge zone is i don't know okay

[2:13:38] Trustee Rogers: thank you very much you're welcome uh anyway uh okay

[2:13:43] Trustee Rogers: OK, thank you. We appreciate your views and we'll now go over to the speak back to the speakers list.

[2:13:53] Trustee Rogers: And I see that we have a series of second time speakers. We'll start with Helen Shilliday.

[2:14:09] Trustee Rogers: Oh, there you're back. OK.

[2:14:11] Trustee Rogers: OK,

[2:14:12] Voice 1: you have me back now.

[2:14:15] Voice 1: I just want to the things that we've heard people talking about.

[2:14:19] Voice 1: I just want to make sure that everybody's absolutely clear that there are two issues going on here that people are commenting on.

[2:14:26] Voice 1: And we need to be clear that they are kind of separate, but they've been put together in a way that is, I feel, making the issue very confused.

[2:14:35] Voice 1: used there is the issue of the paisley place development and whether that is fulfilling

[2:14:40] Voice 1: the criteria of this island to provide housing for those people who do not currently have

[2:14:47] Voice 1: housing that they can either afford or rely on to be um uh you know ongoing um and then there are

[2:14:56] Voice 1: the bylaw changes which are something quite different and relate not necessarily to this

[2:15:02] Voice 1: particular development but to future developments and i think that a lot of that is getting lost in

[2:15:08] Voice 1: this discussion first of all i want to address chair rogers we've talked about this in the chat

[2:15:14] Voice 1: when i mentioned that the bylaw changes refer to future ownership of developed units for rental

[2:15:21] Voice 1: you did shake your head and i would like you please to um to clarify that that it does

[2:15:27] Voice 1: actually say in the bylaw proposals that there is um uh a future allowance for uh that to be

[2:15:37] Voice 1: taken into few into ownership as opposed to rental

[2:15:41] Trustee Rogers: not related to this particular proposal

[2:15:44] Trustee Rogers: not

[2:15:44] Voice 1: related to this particular project but that is part of the bylaw change changes is it not

[2:15:50] Voice 1: that is in the bylaw proposal changes okay

[2:15:54] Trustee Rogers: this is not time for us to have a debate i will address

[2:15:57] Trustee Rogers: that in the in the discussion we have at the local trust committee but the the answer was addressed

[2:16:01] Trustee Rogers: to you by the planner in the chat um which is that the bylaws anticipate potential for future

[2:16:08] Trustee Rogers: proposals that might involve affordable ownership correct okay

[2:16:12] Voice 1: so i would just want to make that

[2:16:14] Voice 1: clear to everybody in a public domain um that i have posted on the gabriela community page

[2:16:19] Voice 1: to give the link to uh mr langaris um uh description of the proposed bylaw changes and i

[2:16:28] Voice 1: think people need to know that that is there because if we are going to try to address the

[2:16:34] Voice 1: desperate desperate needs of our renters on this island which is what i think most people want to

[2:16:41] Voice 1: happen they want people to be in housing that they can rely on building things which then

[2:16:47] Voice 1: then subsequently turn into ownership, which is only possible for people who have an income which

[2:16:53] Voice 1: is able to access buying a property, is not what I think most people would call affordable housing,

[2:17:00] Voice 1: nor is it addressing our need for in perpetuity rental on this island for those people who cannot

[2:17:06] Voice 1: afford to buy. I would also like to just say to people that when the majority of units in the

[2:17:13] Voice 1: the Paisley Place development are not for low income earners. What are we going to see come

[2:17:20] Voice 1: 2022-23 when this development is open? I think what we may well see is that the majority of the

[2:17:31] Voice 1: current proposal is that the majority of these units are going to be occupied by people whose

[2:17:35] Voice 1: financial circumstances do not preclude them from renting elsewhere. And we're still going to see

[2:17:41] Voice 1: some of our low income renters left homeless. And when we see that happening, I think we are

[2:17:49] Voice 1: going to regret the allocation of units in this development, the way they are currently projected.

[2:17:57] Voice 1: I personally do not want to see moderate income earners be housed at the over and above people

[2:18:05] Voice 1: people who are desperately short of rental who are earning much less than that and this housing

[2:18:11] Voice 1: as it's allocated currently is going to leave some of those people still without the housing

[2:18:18] Voice 1: that they need and I think that we really need to understand that that's what's going to happen

[2:18:23] Voice 1: with only is it five or seven units that are at maximum that the highest level of um of uh um

[2:18:33] Voice 1: addressed at the highest level of need out of 24 I think that is insufficient and when we are

[2:18:40] Voice 1: looking at the limited amount of space and the limited funding that we are able to generate

[2:18:45] Voice 1: here on Gabriela I think that we should be directing our efforts at those in most need

[2:18:53] Voice 1: need and the bylaw changes as well as this current development are not in my mind aimed at solving

[2:19:03] Voice 1: the needs of the people who have the most need and i would urge people please to look at the link

[2:19:10] Voice 1: to the bylaw proposals um that uh trustee langaris put out there because it does make it very clear

[2:19:17] Voice 1: that not only um that that in the bylaw changes future development is not going to be discussed

[2:19:26] Voice 1: these issues are not going to be discussed by the public it's going to be an administrative bylaw

[2:19:32] Voice 1: that does not require public input and by accepting those piggybacking on that very emotional and very

[2:19:39] Voice 1: desperate need that we have all heard and i think we all acknowledge exists on gabriela we're

[2:19:45] Voice 1: You're actually abusing that emotional need in order to include bylaw changes which are not in the interest of those people in the most need.

[2:19:56] Voice 1: And that's what I have the most concern about currently.

[2:20:00] Voice 1: And I want people to actually look at those bylaw changes and carefully, carefully ask themselves, do they address solving the needs of the most needy on our island?

[2:20:13] Voice 1: And that's all I have to say. Thank you.

[2:20:16] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[2:20:19] Trustee Rogers: Ms. Eastick, you've returned.

[2:20:23] Trustee Rogers: Hopefully this will work.

[2:20:32] Voice 20: Unmute.

[2:20:33] Voice 20: Okay.

[2:20:33] Voice 20: I can hear you.

[2:20:34] Trustee Rogers: We can't.

[2:20:34] Trustee Rogers: I can hear you.

[2:20:35] Trustee Rogers: We cannot see you yet.

[2:20:37] Voice 20: I dare not change settings.

[2:20:38] Voice 20: You could hear me.

[2:20:39] Voice 20: That's fine enough because I won't change anything else.

[2:20:43] Voice 20: Okay.

[2:20:44] Voice 20: Yes.

[2:20:45] Voice 20: Scott.

[2:20:47] Voice 20: That's right.

[2:20:48] Voice 20: That's the best way to go.

[2:20:50] Voice 20: Just as a background info.

[2:20:53] Voice 20: Gabriela, according to the census of 2016, is the second most populated island of all the

[2:21:00] Voice 20: Gulf Islands. Bowen precedes us at 73.4 by square kilometer. Gabriela is behind by 69.7% per square

[2:21:11] Voice 20: square kilometer. Gambier and Keats, 2.5 percent per square kilometer. Sub-Islands have very

[2:21:21] Voice 20: low. La Galliano, 17.4 percent per square kilometer.

[2:21:26] Voice 20: Gabriela is finite. The need for affordable housing is infinite. I would say it's by the

[2:21:35] Voice 20: hundreds. In 2010, enforcement officer Peter Phillips reported that there were 210 illegal

[2:21:47] Voice 20: dwellings on Gabriel, illegal places where people were living. Your own housing assessment is saying

[2:21:55] Voice 20: that there are loads of people that have need of housing. The need is there. Is Paisley Place

[2:22:02] Voice 20: a solution to a need that is way bigger than 24 people and can we repeat that 10 times over in

[2:22:09] Voice 20: the village core which is currently the policy of the ocp i'm saying it is a wrong this is like

[2:22:18] Voice 20: putting a square peg in a wrong a role the property is in the wrong place and it is at the

[2:22:26] Voice 20: wrong time. The Sitka spruce development has not even been started to be developed and it is in

[2:22:35] Voice 20: the same aquifer zone. The report from the forest land natural resources operation and rural

[2:22:46] Voice 20: development is saying, well, we have noticed that there is a lowering of the water table in the

[2:22:54] Voice 20: summer months a gradual lowering the list so the watershed is going down and down down and we will

[2:23:03] Voice 20: eventually end okay the only one maybe scott and case know this but chair rogers doesn't

[2:23:10] Voice 20: the same area has seen you know unexplicable arbutus building supply dry well best well in

[2:23:19] Voice 20: the area dry. Co-op, their well went dry when Madrona drilled. The school is having problems

[2:23:30] Voice 20: and sometimes they have to bank on the Emcon well to suffice their need. Now they have put the

[2:23:36] Voice 20: cistern, but that was before the cistern. And we are told that even the commons, one of the two

[2:23:43] Voice 20: wells went dry. If you do not put a backup system in the whole scheme of the development that is

[2:23:51] Voice 20: being proposed, I'm talking about a rainwater collection system. If their well goes down,

[2:23:59] Voice 20: just like it is inexplicably happening elsewhere in the aquifer, then there is nothing. Their

[2:24:06] Voice 20: rainwater would not even work because it is also groundwater. So you have to put in there a

[2:24:13] Voice 20: mandatory rainwater collection in the bylaw not if and when it's needed because it is the first

[2:24:21] Voice 20: time that we create this zone okay this is a new zone it is a new land use designation we have to

[2:24:27] Voice 20: do it right as a as an example is what's going to happen in the future if we do get some more

[2:24:34] Voice 20: I agree that the need is there I don't agree with many other people that are saying it's for

[2:24:40] Voice 20: everybody but the kitchen sink. I don't agree for creating affordable housing for people that are

[2:24:46] Voice 20: making $74,000 to $113,000 a year. The whole scheme of the funding in BC is not adaptable

[2:24:57] Voice 20: to an island like ours. We have special kinds of government. We have to have special kinds

[2:25:03] Voice 20: of criteria. And the criteria that I want to see that everybody I'm talking to are wanting

[2:25:09] Voice 20: is low income housing and for because we have to start somewhere it has to be for the people that

[2:25:17] Voice 20: are actually going to come you know help the community in the service of the community in

[2:25:22] Voice 20: the commercial outlets that have been actually the impetus where we put affordable housing

[2:25:28] Voice 20: multiple dwelling affordable housing in the ocp in the first place for your consideration i'll

[2:25:33] Voice 20: come back later because i have many points to bring well

[2:25:36] Trustee Rogers: well actually we're getting close to

[2:25:38] Trustee Rogers: the end because there's only one other speaker so oh

[2:25:40] Voice 20: well that can keep keep talking forever i mean

[2:25:42] Trustee Rogers: no i'm going to go your view the five minutes is up so uh you can put your hand back up but uh

[2:25:48] Trustee Rogers: just when you say come back later i just want you to be aware that we're getting

[2:25:53] Trustee Rogers: close to the end of the speakers list so um okay thank you uh we'll move uh since back and we'll

[2:26:03] Trustee Rogers: we'll um move to uh back to deborah again as a second time speaker

[2:26:21] Voice 10: can't hear you okay

[2:26:28] Voice 23: yes hello

[2:26:30] Voice 23: yes we

[2:26:32] Trustee Rogers: can hear you thank

[2:26:33] Voice 23: you thank you for this second opportunity to come before you um i i

[2:26:39] Voice 23: apologize that i was so rushed uh the first time i had my lunch in the oven and i forgot to say my

[2:26:45] Voice 23: my name and address. So it's Deborah Ferencz at 387 Lingale Place. And that I'm going to give my

[2:26:55] Voice 23: thanks right now, so I don't run out of time again, which I shouldn't. And so I do want to

[2:26:59] Voice 23: thank the trustees for their careful attention to this application, for the singular efforts of

[2:27:05] Voice 23: staff and planners throughout this, and the unwavering dedication of the Housing Society,

[2:27:10] Voice 23: especially during this time of COVID.

[2:27:13] Voice 23: So just to continue on with my thoughts,

[2:27:16] Voice 23: providing housing stock is just one factor

[2:27:20] Voice 23: in meeting the housing needs of our community.

[2:27:23] Voice 23: For the housing crisis is global

[2:27:27] Voice 23: with its roots in austerity, debt,

[2:27:31] Voice 23: extreme speculation and low wages.

[2:27:34] Voice 23: We are still focused on 20th century housing solutions

[2:27:40] Voice 23: as we go into the third decade of the 21st century.

[2:27:43] Voice 23: And these are decades of the same model that we have continued to,

[2:27:50] Voice 23: that have fallen short of the need for decades.

[2:27:53] Voice 23: So I hope to see that our community can open up the discussion

[2:27:58] Voice 23: around a lot more creative solutions,

[2:28:01] Voice 23: and the trust is central to those discussions.

[2:28:05] Voice 23: I'd like to move on to my final point,

[2:28:08] Voice 23: which is about the disappearing coastal Douglas fir zones on the island.

[2:28:14] Voice 23: It is one of the most endangered ecosystems in BC.

[2:28:18] Voice 23: These globally rare and threatened forests and habitats are the least protected areas

[2:28:24] Voice 23: and under the most development pressure.

[2:28:28] Voice 23: It's a community responsibility and certainly a local trust committee duty

[2:28:32] Voice 23: to carefully examine types of ecosystems that are being converted

[2:28:37] Voice 23: and show caution in increasing development capacity in threatened and highly impacted forest zones such as the coastal Douglas fir.

[2:28:47] Voice 23: And it does feel like we continually fail to capture the coastal Douglas fir zone in significant protective measures on Gabriola.

[2:28:57] Voice 23: I, while the local trust committee has virtually no tools, really, to protect the remaining lot four, also owned by the applicant, except in their OCP policies and which encourage property owners to work with conservation groups to protect natural features and sensitive areas.

[2:29:20] Voice 23: So with this emphasis on preserve and protect, how can the LTC facilitate a discussion, conversation with the Gabriel Housing Society and perhaps the Regional District of Nanaimo, who have that little piece of the Paisley Place Community Park,

[2:29:44] Voice 23: and any other conservation groups on the island to conserve lot 4 and enhance aspects of that community park

[2:29:52] Voice 23: that might mitigate the loss of 50% of the forest on the developed lots.

[2:30:00] Voice 23: if this development goes ahead. I think I'll end it there. I will say one more thing.

[2:30:08] Voice 23: The protected green spaces within the village boundaries and areas of higher density are just

[2:30:15] Voice 23: as important to community life as housing and business and cultural and recreational activities

[2:30:21] Voice 23: and sometimes even more so for our health and well-being and that of all the life with which

[2:30:26] Voice 23: as we share this island.

[2:30:29] Voice 23: So thank you very much for all your work.

[2:30:32] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Ms. Ferencz.

[2:30:36] Trustee Rogers: I'm looking down the list to see for first time speakers

[2:30:40] Trustee Rogers: because a bunch of people have popped up now.

[2:30:43] Trustee Rogers: I think the first time,

[2:30:45] Trustee Rogers: the next first time speaker is Mr. McCready.

[2:30:55] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair Rogers for allowing me to speak

[2:30:58] Voice 6: and welcome trustees.

[2:31:00] Voice 6: I only wanted to provide some very brief comments.

[2:31:03] Voice 6: and one again is the increase in density just want to make sure that everyone is aware that

[2:31:09] Voice 6: there is an existing community and an existing community basically made of seniors with the

[2:31:14] Voice 6: development of the lands behind us and the development of the properties north of us

[2:31:20] Voice 6: it will increase the densities here and the traffic throughput significantly so impacts here

[2:31:28] Voice 6: are significant and a way of life that we have known will indeed be impacted thank you very much

[2:31:35] Voice 6: oh okay sorry

[2:31:39] Trustee Rogers: about the alarm that's that's it okay that's it thank you very much Mr. McCready

[2:31:44] Trustee Rogers: we of course have received your submissions and writing as well so um the next person I

[2:31:51] Trustee Rogers: has not spoken yet here's to be sybil fry um so miss fry um you are you are unmuted so you should

[2:32:15] Trustee Rogers: if you unmute yourself we should be able to hear you and you can welcome to turn your camera there

[2:32:19] Trustee Rogers: you are hello

[2:32:22] Voice 16: thank you very much uh for the time to speak again um i as in i've spoken at other

[2:32:28] Voice 16: meetings and i've written as well um thank you for your time the trustees and all the staff work

[2:32:34] Voice 16: and the community thoughts on this project just in response to things i've heard today and i've

[2:32:41] Voice 16: read in some of the public hearing binder i wanted to respond to a couple of things

[2:32:45] Voice 16: that have really hit me i guess one is that the concern about the preserve and protect mandate

[2:32:52] Voice 16: and i wanted to mention that the islands trust policy statement does have three main goals

[2:32:57] Voice 16: including to sustain island character and healthy communities and that policy statement identifies

[2:33:05] Voice 16: that the importance of affordable housing as part of a healthy community so this project is very

[2:33:12] Voice 16: much also within the mandate of the islands trust and when the gabriola housing society focused on

[2:33:20] Voice 16: a project that we felt we could make happen we were definitely guided by the fact that public

[2:33:26] Voice 16: public funding was available, which historically has been the only way to create affordable

[2:33:31] Voice 16: housing. And so we've had to live within the rules that the funders provide for how they're

[2:33:39] Voice 16: willing to fund housing projects. And part of why they do have those rules about having both

[2:33:45] Voice 16: very low income, moderate income and market income is partly to make the project economically

[2:33:51] Voice 16: viable, that it can be sustained as affordable rental housing in long term. But it's also because

[2:33:59] Voice 16: you can't in fact sustain it if you don't have the income from the market housing. So I just

[2:34:04] Voice 16: wanted to stress that point for people. And then I wanted to talk a little bit about the septic

[2:34:10] Voice 16: because there have been a lot of concerns about that. And although the plan shows where it is

[2:34:17] Voice 16: is right now. And as I mentioned in my written submission, I'm not on the board anymore. So I'm

[2:34:22] Voice 16: not into the intricate details anymore of the project. But it will have to be built according

[2:34:29] Voice 16: to the BC sewerage practice regulation and manual. And that will determine exactly where it goes,

[2:34:37] Voice 16: what the siting requirements will be, and so on. So that will be refined as the project proceeds,

[2:34:43] Voice 16: this proceeds assuming it does but one thing for us to know in the community and particularly the

[2:34:50] Voice 16: neighbors who understandably concerned about the quality of the water that they will be drinking

[2:34:55] Voice 16: etc is that they are going to be putting in a type 3 sewage system which includes disinfectant

[2:35:04] Voice 16: disinfecting the water before it goes into the septic field so to know that this is a high level

[2:35:12] Voice 16: of treatment of sewage to make sure that the quality

[2:35:15] Voice 16: of the water is very good.

[2:35:17] Voice 16: So those are the three points I wanted to make.

[2:35:20] Voice 16: Thank you very much for your time.

[2:35:21] Voice 16: I do hope that the trustees do see to move forward

[2:35:25] Voice 16: to third reading because I think this is a really important

[2:35:28] Voice 16: project for the community, thank you.

[2:35:33] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you, Ms. Frey.

[2:35:37] Trustee Rogers: There's one new name on our list that hasn't spoken,

[2:35:41] Trustee Rogers: which is Alex Hudson.

[2:35:43] Trustee Rogers: hudson so can we promote her and then we'll come to the second time speakers

[2:35:49] Trustee Rogers: again back to the second time speakers you're unmuted um and so you should be able to speak

[2:36:08] Trustee Rogers: you're welcome to turn your camera on of course you've now muted yourself again or unless will

[2:36:14] Trustee Rogers: did that i'm not sure i don't think so now you're unmuted yeah

[2:36:24] Voice 19: i haven't done anything to her

[2:36:26] Voice 19: microphone okay

[2:36:27] Trustee Rogers: well then she's on okay she's muted for a moment and now it's unmuted but i

[2:36:32] Trustee Rogers: can't hear or see her yet i

[2:36:39] Voice 19: can ask her to start video um but unfortunately i can't make her

[2:36:46] Voice 19: microphone unmute okay

[2:36:58] Trustee Rogers: um maybe move her back uh to the attendees list and we'll see if we

[2:37:08] Trustee Rogers: if we can promote her in a moment and see if she can figure that out okay thank you uh so the next

[2:37:15] Trustee Rogers: person we're net these are all now second time or in uh one case third time speakers yolanda king

[2:37:22] Trustee Rogers: to

[2:37:42] Voice 22: unmute here there

[2:37:43] Trustee Rogers: you go we can hear and see you now thank you um

[2:37:46] Voice 22: thank you for giving me the

[2:37:48] Voice 22: opportunity to come back to uh this conversation um i just wanted to say um i appreciate the uh

[2:37:56] Voice 22: comments that were made most recently by Helen

[2:37:59] Voice 22: Shilliday with respect to Bylaw 306

[2:38:03] Voice 22: which would change the housing from

[2:38:08] Voice 22: low income to now include moderate income.

[2:38:11] Voice 22: I think that's been mentioned by a couple of people that this is a concern when we're

[2:38:15] Voice 22: talking about the members of the community that are most in need.

[2:38:20] Voice 22: So just on that note, one thing that I wanted

[2:38:23] Voice 22: to also bring to people's attention is the eligibility criteria that's on the GHS application.

[2:38:32] Voice 22: The minimum threshold for eligibility to apply for these coveted units, of which there are

[2:38:40] Voice 22: not many, my understanding from reading the GHS proposal, the minimum threshold to apply

[2:38:48] Voice 22: for one of these units is that you are 18 years old, you can be commuting from Nanaimo for a

[2:38:57] Voice 22: part-time job of a minimum of 20 hours per week on Gabriola. This is very concerning to me when,

[2:39:07] Voice 22: again, we're talking about long-term residents of Gabriola, many of them seniors, people that

[2:39:15] Voice 22: have been here for a very long time and have already contributed to the community for many,

[2:39:20] Voice 22: many years. I'm a bit concerned about who and how this impending list of so many people that are in

[2:39:32] Voice 22: need of these units, how on earth those decisions are going to be made. And again, it's a concern

[2:39:40] Voice 22: of mine that we're looking at people as young as 18 years old being able to qualify for some of

[2:39:46] Voice 22: these units. And just in conclusion, I appreciate the LTC and also the people from GHS for

[2:39:57] Voice 22: including all of us residents, giving us a chance to voice our concerns and support of this project.

[2:40:04] Voice 22: Thank you so much for your time.

[2:40:06] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[2:40:10] Trustee Rogers: Patrick Colvin is a second time speaker.

[2:40:23] Voice 2: Hi, everyone.

[2:40:24] Voice 2: Thanks so much for welcoming me back.

[2:40:26] Voice 2: Thank you to the trustees and Chair Rogers

[2:40:28] Voice 2: for all this listening you're doing.

[2:40:31] Voice 2: I have a few points just have come up

[2:40:34] Voice 2: from listening to everyone else's points

[2:40:36] Voice 2: and they might echo a bit of what Mrs. Frey was just saying.

[2:40:41] Voice 2: One of them is related to the septic field

[2:40:44] Voice 2: and it being flooding or flooded what I'm wondering is that kind of thing is that something

[2:40:50] Voice 2: that would be a showstopper to the whole development or is that something that by

[2:40:55] Voice 2: changing the landscape that will actually just go away and no longer be a problem

[2:40:59] Voice 2: or is it something that can be phased in and will sort of be reduced

[2:41:04] Voice 2: so just kind of my own thoughts going on that second point is news to me that the funding for

[2:41:12] Voice 2: the project is coming from someone off island so in my personal opinion having uh off island

[2:41:19] Voice 2: financial interest is not a risk that's worth taking and if it's if what it means is that we

[2:41:27] Voice 2: need to take some time to open it up to gabrielans to find the funding here that i would be in favor

[2:41:35] Voice 2: of doing that versus getting it going ahead with off-island finances. Third point is related to

[2:41:45] Voice 2: the affordable housing and how there's only five low-income, 12 moderate, and seven high-income.

[2:41:53] Voice 2: And I've heard some concern that there's sort of inadequate housing for the low-income spectrum.

[2:41:59] Voice 2: And what I wonder is if there's an alternative proposal where some of those moderate income shift towards low and high. Obviously, the high income is needed there to fund the whole thing. And depending how that goes, you know, maybe we can increase the low income by sort of reducing the moderate.

[2:42:18] Voice 2: it. And fourth is sort of like an overall opinion. What I think we ought to do at this point is to

[2:42:29] Voice 2: make the necessary changes in the bylaw or how the land is currently being

[2:42:36] Voice 2: delegated for use. If it's currently institutional and there's a risk that all the trees can get

[2:42:40] Voice 2: pulled down, let's take care of that risk first and do what we need to do to protect the trees

[2:42:47] Voice 2: in the natural ecosystem and then if we can include anything in the meantime that

[2:42:54] Voice 2: allows for future human dwelling on the land then we might sort of you know be able to move forward

[2:43:03] Voice 2: without destroying i don't know what i'm saying there but just protecting the trees allowing for

[2:43:10] Voice 2: human dwelling in the future and seeing where that gets us so thank you okay

[2:43:16] Trustee Rogers: sir i just have

[2:43:17] Trustee Rogers: have one question for you just because this has come up and i know you're i don't want to put you

[2:43:20] Trustee Rogers: if you don't feel comfortable answering but this concept of off-island funding i wanted to

[2:43:26] Trustee Rogers: understand if you included in that concept the provincial and the federal government

[2:43:32] Voice 2: uh governments i'm okay with it's the private any private funding anyone who can come in with

[2:43:37] Voice 2: their own personal incentives of what they would like to see happen to disclude them

[2:43:42] Trustee Rogers: okay thanks

[2:43:43] Trustee Rogers: thanks that's i just wanted to be clear when we're what we're talking about when we're talking

[2:43:47] Trustee Rogers: about off island funding i appreciate your point of view thank you very much you're muted chair

[2:43:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): rogers

[2:43:58] Trustee Rogers: i'm gonna wear a t-shirt um that uh the uh gonna go to mr dagan because um just since

[2:44:08] Trustee Rogers: i've spoken twice and um we'll have mr dagan speak for a second time can

[2:44:24] Voice 21: you hear me now sure can

[2:44:26] Voice 21: good hello dan uh it's not mr dagan it's alex hodgson i

[2:44:31] Trustee Rogers: figured as much but i didn't want to

[2:44:33] Trustee Rogers: make assumptions

[2:44:34] Voice 21: i've taken another route to get to you thank you

[2:44:38] Voice 21: yeah and hello to case and also

[2:44:43] Voice 21: to scott um i want to thank the gsf uh for the effort that has been made to bring our attention

[2:44:49] Voice 21: to bigger issues the majority of islanders do not want gay rural to become urbanized we want

[2:44:56] Voice 21: to stay rural and that was seen in a poll of 2016. So that makes me think we should maintain

[2:45:05] Voice 21: the status quo which is to keep it the same. The language and the bylaws need to be strengthened

[2:45:13] Voice 21: to preserve and protect island forests, water recharge areas and water protection

[2:45:19] Voice 21: and the groundwater protection you know we see language there but it doesn't seem to be

[2:45:27] Voice 21: it doesn't seem to be followed i think is what we see over and over again we need to strengthen

[2:45:35] Voice 21: the environmental language and return the trust mandate to 1974 standards to protect the island's

[2:45:41] Voice 21: fragile fragile ecosystems and to stop the destruction of what we value most which is our

[2:45:47] Voice 21: homes cease all development until more forceful environmental language is installed and bylaws

[2:45:54] Voice 21: are amended to preserve the island now and in the future thank you thank

[2:46:03] Trustee Rogers: you very much i see

[2:46:18] Trustee Rogers: mr scott has his hand up um okay uh a little unusual to have the the an off-island vote but

[2:46:28] Trustee Rogers: but I'll have a little latitude and let Mr. Scott speak.

[2:46:50] Voice 9: Yes, hello again.

[2:46:52] Voice 9: Thank you, Mr. Rogers, Chair Rogers,

[2:46:54] Voice 9: and thank you for having me again.

[2:46:57] Voice 9: Just wanted to take a moment,

[2:46:59] Voice 9: and I understand this is not a forum for debate,

[2:47:01] Voice 9: so I just wanted to correct a couple of things that are being said.

[2:47:05] Voice 9: One is a couple of speakers mentioned

[2:47:07] Voice 9: that the design included the septic field

[2:47:10] Voice 9: going into this area of an ephemeral water

[2:47:13] Voice 9: that if you go near the site today you'll see that's not the case it's the

[2:47:19] Voice 9: area we have targeted for the septic field is out of that area and as a few

[2:47:23] Voice 9: speakers have said and as I said earlier the sewerage regulation does address a

[2:47:28] Voice 9: situation like that and through more detailed design will definitely not be

[2:47:33] Voice 9: in that area an area with a high water table is not a suitable spot for a

[2:47:37] Voice 9: septic field and we're very aware of that second is there's been a number of

[2:47:42] Voice 9: of comments made about the small percentage of homes that would be for people of low income

[2:47:49] Voice 9: and that's just not also not true the low income cutoffs depend on the size of your family

[2:47:57] Voice 9: and so as more and more people in your family what is considered a poverty level making minimum wage

[2:48:12] Voice 9: maybe making a band of housing rent geared to income few people

[2:48:55] Trustee Rogers: okay uh thank you um we have

[2:48:59] Trustee Rogers: jacinthe jacinthe eastick again okay

[2:49:20] Voice 20: i forgot also um to mention jacinthe eastick 1585 perry road

[2:49:28] Voice 20: um the other point that i wanted to make which is following the previous comment i made about

[2:49:36] Voice 20: the aquifers and its diminishing faculty you know capability over the years by

[2:49:44] Voice 20: the ministry's own report I would like to suggest that because I make

[2:49:52] Voice 20: absolutely no bone that this you're gonna say yes so make it a phase

[2:50:01] Voice 20: development we have no idea how the Sitka spruce subdivision will affect

[2:50:07] Voice 20: this very same aquifer not all of it because some of their wells are further north behind the clinic

[2:50:14] Voice 20: but even the clinic had problem with water and they the two wells or three wells on the lot at

[2:50:19] Voice 20: Emkin two of them had been fracked and they were they are not one is dry the other one is

[2:50:25] Voice 20: insignificant that's why we are actually the main well that is proposed to provide groundwater to

[2:50:32] Voice 20: to this development is shared by the school and people downstream from that

[2:50:40] Voice 20: very same stream. If you saw the graph, you know,

[2:50:42] Voice 20: the blue line where the watershed goes and flows down.

[2:50:46] Voice 20: So if you would see to make it somewhere in the language of the land use

[2:50:53] Voice 20: bylaw, that this proposal be phased and, you know,

[2:50:59] Voice 20: phase one, you make one of the, you know,

[2:51:02] Voice 20: one of the triplex and in three years time no and again you will never be able in this one thing

[2:51:11] Voice 20: to answer all of the needs of the people that are needing housing we have also had the time in those

[2:51:18] Voice 20: three years to maybe do a plan review and see if once we have a build-out plan that we know how

[2:51:25] Voice 20: many people we are already committed to on this island which we do not have since 2010 we haven't

[2:51:31] Voice 20: had one of those and we are already experiencing a serious serious growing pain of growth

[2:51:38] Voice 20: the backdrop to me and we are already the second most populated island on the whole of the trust

[2:51:46] Voice 20: area that would give us perhaps a chance in the community to see a the effect of the first phase

[2:51:53] Voice 20: on that aquifer and on the you know all the infrastructures around it and etc etc and have

[2:52:02] Voice 20: a conversation really really analyzing what are we doing are we going to a way that the island

[2:52:10] Voice 20: will not be sustainably sustainably supported thank you thank

[2:52:23] Trustee Rogers: you for that um i appreciate

[2:52:26] Trustee Rogers: all of the comments to date now uh i know we have um what we're going to do is take a pause but not

[2:52:35] Trustee Rogers: We cannot get to the closing of the meeting yet.

[2:52:40] Trustee Rogers: We have received a series of submissions

[2:52:44] Trustee Rogers: during the course of the meeting.

[2:52:46] Trustee Rogers: The emails came in from our staff a little while ago

[2:52:52] Trustee Rogers: and I'm going to take a moment to allow us

[2:52:56] Trustee Rogers: to read those submissions.

[2:52:58] Trustee Rogers: So all the trustees, I'll mute.

[2:53:01] Trustee Rogers: And if you could, you're going to be a bit awkward,

[2:53:04] Trustee Rogers: but you're going to watch us read for a few minutes and uh and then i'll come back and ask

[2:53:09] Trustee Rogers: for any final speakers so just give us a moment um so uh there is one email where the person asked

[2:53:23] Trustee Rogers: to be read uh and i'm going to do that right now so it's as if they made a public comment it's from

[2:53:30] Trustee Rogers: paul and janet kuzik and they say regarding the gabriella housing society paisley place project

[2:53:36] Trustee Rogers: project. We wish to formally record our support for the proposed bylaw changes that would enable

[2:53:42] Trustee Rogers: the Gabriel Housing Society to move forward with their project at Paisley Place. As farmers in the

[2:53:48] Trustee Rogers: agricultural land reserve on Gabriel Island, we often need to hire farm workers. Recent government

[2:53:55] Trustee Rogers: changes to no longer allow secondary housing on farmlands in the LR for family members and

[2:54:01] Trustee Rogers: farm workers has created a shortage of housing and resulted in tenant evictions. We would like

[2:54:06] Trustee Rogers: to see this project go ahead to meet the housing needs of families that now have fewer stable

[2:54:10] Trustee Rogers: long-term housing options available. We respectfully urge you to support the required

[2:54:15] Trustee Rogers: bylaw changes. Local farms need local workers. Kind regards, Paul and Janet Cousin.

[2:54:21] Trustee Rogers: Now, there's a question. Oh, I see it's apparently the staff has answered the question

[2:54:32] Trustee Rogers: question related to the submissions that we did receive since the, during the course of the

[2:54:39] Trustee Rogers: hearing. This is an odd process, but if you've ever been to a public hearing, you will know that

[2:54:44] Trustee Rogers: there's usually a comment box that we, that where people can put in handwritten submissions. And so

[2:54:49] Trustee Rogers: this is the equivalent of that. And many of you took advantage of it. Thank you very much for all

[2:54:53] Trustee Rogers: of your comments. So I'm going down to the final stage in the public hearing. Please note that

[2:55:02] Trustee Rogers: While you can make comments or contact the planner related to this, after the public hearing closes, the trustees cannot receive information.

[2:55:14] Trustee Rogers: We cannot decide to receive further information without reopening a public hearing.

[2:55:20] Trustee Rogers: That's based on the premise that everybody should know what the decision we're going to make is based on everything that everybody has an opportunity to hear.

[2:55:29] Trustee Rogers: So we're now going to proceed to the closure.

[2:55:34] Trustee Rogers: Please note, sorry, I'm going to

[2:55:36] Trustee Rogers: ask, yes?

[2:55:37] Voice 19: Sorry, Chair Rogers, I just got a quick flash

[2:55:40] Voice 19: from someone, Patrick Olmstead, I believe,

[2:55:44] Voice 19: said that he'd like you to read his last email

[2:55:47] Voice 19: that I sent to you out loud.

[2:55:51] Trustee Rogers: All right.

[2:55:52] Trustee Rogers: It's short, so that's fine.

[2:55:54] Trustee Rogers: Let me find it.

[2:55:58] Trustee Rogers: That's not it.

[2:56:03] Trustee Rogers: Hmm. I saw it.

[2:56:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I've got it. Does it matter who reads it out?

[2:56:07] Trustee Rogers: Not really.

[2:56:09] Trustee Rogers: There it is. I found it.

[2:56:11] Trustee Rogers: It says, has anyone assessed the group of old cedars at the north end of the site

[2:56:16] Trustee Rogers: with markings consistent with harvesting of material?

[2:56:19] Trustee Rogers: Have any First Nations groups assessed the site, Patrick?

[2:56:26] Trustee Rogers: So that's his email from six minutes ago.

[2:56:31] Trustee Rogers: So I'm going to ask once more, once for any more speakers, if you wish to speak, please put your hand up. I did see a phone number here, but it's gone. So I assume that whoever had called in, I see there is one more speaker, Ms. Easton. So can we promote Ms. Easton?

[2:56:52] Trustee Rogers: okay

[2:57:03] Voice 20: yes um the

[2:57:05] Voice 20: the last point that i would like to make although i would have way more but i mean

[2:57:09] Voice 20: as i already acknowledged that the support is going to be granted i've said that actually a

[2:57:15] Voice 20: month ago because the trust never says no to anything um could you put the language in there

[2:57:23] Voice 20: that will limit applicants to this new land use designation

[2:57:30] Voice 20: and new zone to non-for-profit societies.

[2:57:36] Voice 20: Because if for-profit can apply,

[2:57:40] Voice 20: then we've lost the boat completely.

[2:57:44] Voice 20: So that's my view. Thank you.

[2:57:46] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[2:57:51] Trustee Rogers: So I'm now going to ask a second time

[2:57:55] Trustee Rogers: whether there are any more speakers.

[2:58:07] Trustee Rogers: And then I'm going to ask a third time for more speakers.

[2:58:13] Trustee Rogers: This is the final opportunity for you to raise your hand or hand in or email any written submissions.

[2:58:27] Trustee Rogers: Once the hearing is closed, no additional submissions will be accepted.

[2:58:40] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[2:58:40] Trustee Rogers: Well, then I'm going to close the public hearing with the consent of the trustees.

[2:58:47] Trustee Rogers: trustees uh and i want to really thank the the all the members of gabriola the attendees of

[2:58:54] Trustee Rogers: up to this meeting um and for all of the thoughtful comments that have come in both today

[2:59:01] Trustee Rogers: and previously um it's been a very a very interesting learning curve for me at least

[2:59:09] Trustee Rogers: not being as deeply involved in the in the history of gabriel as others so that's the

[2:59:16] Trustee Rogers: the close of the public hearing thank you very much um so what we're about to do subject to so

[2:59:22] Trustee Rogers: we're back into the local trust committee meeting trustees do you have anything before we decide to

[2:59:26] Trustee Rogers: adjourn and i'm going to propose we adjourn until 4 30 but i'm open to discussion from the trustees

[2:59:32] Trustee Rogers: as to what you would like if there's anything else you'd like to consider at this point

[2:59:37] Voice 31: uh

[2:59:38] Voice 31: no i'd like a break oh

[2:59:40] Trustee Rogers: no we're going to have a break for sure uh

[2:59:43] Voice 31: it's 20

[2:59:44] Trustee Rogers: after one uh we need

[2:59:46] Trustee Rogers: to have lunch and think about all the submissions we've received and all the comments we've received

[2:59:51] Trustee Rogers: the i the plan was to come back we just need to unless there's some other business

[2:59:54] Trustee Rogers: you want to conduct before then i'm going to just direct that we

[3:00:00] Trustee Rogers: adjourn until 4.30? Sounds good. Yeah,

[3:00:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that sounds good. I just want to, Planner Dubnya,

[3:00:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Jamie Dubnya, the work that she's done on this has been extraordinary. So just as we all have

[3:00:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): these discussions and stuff, the formation of that is the work that she's put in. I have deep

[3:00:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): gratitude for the work.

[3:00:18] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so thank you very much to staff. So just for members of the public

[3:00:23] Trustee Rogers: to know uh this link is going to stay open um i spoke to will uh we're going to turn our cameras

[3:00:31] Trustee Rogers: off um and uh we're going but the link is going to stay open you can log out and log back in of

[3:00:38] Trustee Rogers: course um but the but and i i expect will you'll probably put a notice up that says we'll reconvene

[3:00:44] Trustee Rogers: at 4 30 will you do that

[3:00:45] Voice 19: yes that's correct okay

[3:00:47] Trustee Rogers: so that's what you'll see when you come in before

[3:00:50] Trustee Rogers: otherwise this link is the wheeling club i have and we'll be reconvening the local trust committee

[3:00:54] Trustee Rogers: at 4 30 p.m thank you very much for everyone and have a nice lunch and maybe get a little

[3:01:00] Trustee Rogers: fresh air take care we'll see see you in three hours everybody get lunch

[3:01:16] Trustee Rogers: you know it's all of a sudden gotten very cold where i am

[3:01:23] Voice 31: no window right now for us

[3:01:25] Voice 31: Oh, it's,

[3:01:27] Voice 10: it's, I

[3:01:35] Trustee Rogers: had to, I should have written it down, but I must say I was intrigued by the t-shirt that was worn by John Pierce.

[3:01:46] Trustee Rogers: I don't know if you saw it, but, and it had that Greek thing across the top that I didn't know what the word was.

[3:01:54] Trustee Rogers: And anyway, I looked it up and it's a Greek word for lover of the sea.

[3:01:58] Voice 17: Oh.

[3:02:00] Trustee Rogers: i uh i sort of i i i see i i heard what he was saying but i i was wondering what a what it what

[3:02:06] Trustee Rogers: it was i'd never heard the phrase before it was quite interesting something file um anyway oh

[3:02:15] Trustee Rogers: yes but that reminded me when you said it's not windy because it's been really windy um okay well

[3:02:23] Trustee Rogers: welcome back everyone uh i see we still have uh 23 people with us um thank you for uh staying

[3:02:31] Trustee Rogers: This is now over to the local trust committee to decide.

[3:02:36] Trustee Rogers: You'll still see, I want to acknowledge, of course,

[3:02:39] Trustee Rogers: that we're continuing to meet on the traditional historical lands

[3:02:44] Trustee Rogers: of the Coast Salish peoples, and we're happy and grateful to be here.

[3:02:49] Trustee Rogers: You'll still see Nadine is still with us.

[3:02:53] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Nadine, for your work.

[3:02:55] Trustee Rogers: Will is with us running the events,

[3:02:57] Trustee Rogers: And you'll see, of course, your trustees, Trustee Colburn and Trustee Longrise.

[3:03:06] Trustee Rogers: And we have RPM Cower and Planner DeBena with us.

[3:03:12] Trustee Rogers: And we're going to be talking with them.

[3:03:14] Trustee Rogers: You'll see a little bit more from them in the next little while.

[3:03:20] Trustee Rogers: So this is on the agenda.

[3:03:22] Trustee Rogers: This is number five on the agenda, which is considering where to go now.

[3:03:28] Trustee Rogers: The public hearing is closed into bylaws 306, 307.

[3:03:34] Trustee Rogers: And, of course, we took representations on 308 as well.

[3:03:37] Trustee Rogers: I thought I would provide a little bit of insight about what I think is going to occur and then turn to the trustees for consideration.

[3:03:53] Trustee Rogers: First of all, it seems to me that given that we haven't got the legal review on Bylaw 308, it just strikes me there's not much.

[3:04:02] Trustee Rogers: We're not going to do anything more related to that today.

[3:04:05] Trustee Rogers: They just wanted to see if anybody had a different opinion about that, about 308, given we have not received the legal review back on the amendments.

[3:04:16] Voice 31: Yeah, yeah.

[3:04:19] Voice 31: Sorry?

[3:04:21] Voice 31: Am I hearing?

[3:04:22] Voice 31: I heard an odd sound.

[3:04:23] Voice 31: Sorry.

[3:04:23] Voice 31: Yeah, no, it's not.

[3:04:25] Voice 31: I don't think it's.

[3:04:26] Voice 31: We need to get the legal review and see where we're at in that.

[3:04:29] Voice 31: So I don't see it moving forward.

[3:04:36] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Colburn, do you have any different view?

[3:04:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh no no i'm not as concerned about the legal legal review but um because i've seen them kind

[3:04:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of on all sides of things but um yeah i i think i think that sits where it sits for now yeah and i

[3:04:51] Trustee Rogers: think that was partly anticipated but we wanted to have it as part of the public hearing so that

[3:04:55] Trustee Rogers: people felt that they could comment on it and of course they did um and uh something something

[3:05:01] Trustee Rogers: so that's that's fine i'm going to suggest that we're not going to take any further steps

[3:05:06] Trustee Rogers: So that takes us back to bylaws 306 and 307. And what I did was, and I sent you both Trustee Colbert and Trustee Longer, I sent you a copy of the section of the Local Government Act related to amendments that can be made after the close of a public hearing, because it's possible to do that in certain circumstances, and in limited circumstances.

[3:05:29] Trustee Rogers: chances uh however what i thought i would do is see if um either the planner or the rpm would like

[3:05:36] Trustee Rogers: to give us a little bit of a primer on that issue and then i'll turn to you as to what your thoughts

[3:05:41] Trustee Rogers: are after the public hearing and what you with the the two the two um bylaws and how you'd like to

[3:05:48] Trustee Rogers: proceed um rpm coward or who wants to speak to this yeah thanks heather yeah

[3:05:54] Voice 14: i can do that so

[3:05:55] Voice 14: So, I mean, it sounds like you got a copy, the trustees got a copy of the local government

[3:06:01] Voice 14: act section that speaks to this.

[3:06:03] Voice 14: So that's really what we go by.

[3:06:07] Voice 14: Young Anderson, our legal folks kind of confirmed this at a legal seminar that we had, that

[3:06:14] Voice 14: essentially a bylaw can be altered after a public hearing as long as the alteration

[3:06:21] Voice 14: doesn't alter the use of the property, increase the density that had been anticipated,

[3:06:29] Voice 14: or decrease the density without the owner's consent. And also, it anticipates that you're

[3:06:38] Voice 14: not altering the bylaw in relation to residential rental tenure. So those are the very specific

[3:06:44] Voice 14: provisions of what can't be altered in a bylaw after public hearing or at least there's kind

[3:06:53] Voice 14: of an understanding that if you do decide you want to alter those kinds of things that you

[3:06:57] Voice 14: might need to do it a second public hearing um otherwise otherwise you have some ability to do

[3:07:05] Voice 14: that right

[3:07:06] Trustee Rogers: so i'll just give you a benefit a little bit my experience we did a i haven't you

[3:07:12] Trustee Rogers: I don't want to sound like an expert, but we did have a bylaw on Galliano where we actually had

[3:07:18] Trustee Rogers: taken it through third reading and then the trustees decided they wanted to amend it. So

[3:07:24] Trustee Rogers: we did amend it and we had to rescind third reading, but it's the same thing as doing it

[3:07:29] Trustee Rogers: before. And anyway, they amended it substantially enough that we had a second set public hearing

[3:07:34] Trustee Rogers: because they decided to amend the bylaw in a way that we felt was appropriate. Just one question

[3:07:40] Trustee Rogers: I have for you and is I'd often heard the word that you can't do a substantive amendment without

[3:07:47] Trustee Rogers: going back to public is that just a good practice or because that doesn't seem to be contained in

[3:07:53] Trustee Rogers: the by in the in the local government act itself I

[3:07:58] Voice 14: think yeah you'd consider it a good a good

[3:08:00] Voice 14: practice you know if you're if people have come to speak to something and it's significantly

[3:08:07] Voice 14: altered they haven't really had a chance to speak to all of those significant alterations so from a

[3:08:13] Voice 14: public engagement standpoint it's a best practice but you're right legally um the local government

[3:08:21] Voice 14: act says just those specific things can't be now

[3:08:24] Trustee Rogers: all of that was because i anticipated somebody

[3:08:28] Trustee Rogers: may have a suggestion in case somebody had a suggestion regarding uh 306 and and or 307

[3:08:35] Trustee Rogers: So I guess the first question I have for the trustees is, how would you like to proceed?

[3:08:42] Trustee Rogers: We have a number of options, even though our plan was to try and move through to third reading today, and that's one of the options available.

[3:08:50] Trustee Rogers: We don't have to do that if trustees come to a conclusion to the contrary.

[3:08:56] Trustee Rogers: and you have options to propose amendments

[3:09:00] Trustee Rogers: within the context of what I put forward

[3:09:03] Trustee Rogers: without triggering another public hearing

[3:09:05] Trustee Rogers: or we can approve it the way it's proposed at the moment.

[3:09:13] Trustee Rogers: I'm conscious of the fact that, of course,

[3:09:17] Trustee Rogers: this is not the adoption of the bylaw

[3:09:21] Trustee Rogers: and we have made it clear we would not adopt the bylaw

[3:09:25] Trustee Rogers: without the without the water license in our hands um and we would not adopt the bylaw without the

[3:09:33] Trustee Rogers: affordable housing agreement completed and being ready to uh and being passed so you know those

[3:09:39] Trustee Rogers: two conditions are still outstanding so anyway i turn it to you uh we've heard a lot from the

[3:09:44] Trustee Rogers: thing and you've heard from me but i'd like to hear your thoughts related to how you would like

[3:09:49] Trustee Rogers: to proceed and whether anyone has any suggestions on um anything that from anything they heard today

[3:09:55] Trustee Rogers: day uh specific suggestions before we talk more generally about the issue of uh making a motion

[3:10:02] Trustee Rogers: for third reading or not so who'd like does anybody have anything they'd like to say first

[3:10:10] Trustee Rogers: whoever would like to go first go ahead

[3:10:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): go

[3:10:17] Trustee Rogers: ahead trekkie colburn you unmuted first

[3:10:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): was that is that the new signal for i want to go first

[3:10:22] Trustee Rogers: yeah that's what that's all i can see

[3:10:25] Trustee Rogers: because i can see them i can see the uh someone unmute themselves yeah

[3:10:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i know and then that was

[3:10:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um yeah that was you know it's all a learning experience this whole thing right and and i'm

[3:10:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): learning a lot about the community i live in and the history of it and um yeah it's a lot to take

[3:10:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in i didn't really understand the decision making time in between the public hearing and this but i

[3:10:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): get it now i just want to you know the the process has been the focus for me leading up to this and

[3:10:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and making sure it's fair, and the point was raised several times,

[3:10:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): like you're going to say yes, you've made your decision.

[3:10:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And throughout this whole thing,

[3:11:00] Voice 17: I

[3:11:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): am convinced that there's a deep need

[3:11:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for affordable housing, for housing that is less stressful

[3:11:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on individuals in the community and the environment.

[3:11:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That's the deep, high principle.

[3:11:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um but it has to be in the right spot at the right place at the right time um and it has to be

[3:11:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the right conditions in the specific application and and the and the approach that the proponents

[3:11:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): are bringing forward so that's the the admitted keeping a fair process for something that doesn't

[3:11:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): currently exist on the island has been a real challenge i think and it's that's that's where

[3:11:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): things are at but you know the decision-making process for this is is still you know had been

[3:11:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): wide open um leading into this and i learned a lot from the from the public hearing um i'd just like

[3:11:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to ask a couple of questions about what kind of possible amendments are are potentially possible

[3:11:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'm just going to read one that i've shared with planner dubnya in the past um and it came up in

[3:12:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): one of the remarks today too and and and and the planner may remember this we didn't advance it

[3:12:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it at another time, but it's for the development permit area. And this is what it reads. Effort

[3:12:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): shall be made in construction and maintenance activities to source goods, supplies, and services

[3:12:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on island to reduce greenhouse gas emissions related to transportation. So that doesn't

[3:12:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): alter the use necessarily, and it doesn't alter density. Is that the kind of thing that we could

[3:12:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): advance at this time, or do we want to hew close to what we have in front of us?

[3:12:42] Voice 14: Through the chair,

[3:12:42] Voice 14: I would say yes, it is something

[3:12:44] Voice 14: you can advance now if you'd like to.

[3:12:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay.

[3:12:49] Trustee Rogers: I just want to get a

[3:12:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): range of what's possible.

[3:12:52] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, and I should say that

[3:12:53] Trustee Rogers: I've asked the question about

[3:12:55] Trustee Rogers: some of the suggested language of moving

[3:12:58] Trustee Rogers: shoulds to shalls, etc.

[3:12:59] Trustee Rogers: that Deb Ferentz

[3:13:01] Trustee Rogers: put before us because

[3:13:03] Trustee Rogers: that made some sense to me

[3:13:05] Trustee Rogers: and the answer I got from

[3:13:07] Trustee Rogers: at least Planner Debeno

[3:13:09] Trustee Rogers: probably was an acceptable

[3:13:10] Trustee Rogers: amendment we could make as well.

[3:13:12] Trustee Rogers: so without triggering any kind of problem you know so yeah

[3:13:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i i've raised the idea of changing

[3:13:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): some of those to more because as a writer coming to this job you never really think about shall

[3:13:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and should until you get into this and you're like one is very prescriptive and the other is like

[3:13:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you know if you got time you know it'd be lovely if you did this to help the environment and make

[3:13:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): things better but you don't have to whereas shall is like do it or else someone's going to be

[3:13:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): knocking on your door so um that i've asked those questions throughout this process as well and i

[3:13:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): believe it's a very good environmental development uh protection area but it it's and it applies to

[3:13:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this area and can be um changed in the future for different things as well um yeah yeah i'm not sure

[3:14:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): about the process we follow here i got to be honest i'm

[3:14:03] Trustee Rogers: not sure the process is

[3:14:05] Trustee Rogers: unless somebody

[3:14:06] Trustee Rogers: says to me you know what i really don't want to do this today and then we have to put that on the

[3:14:11] Trustee Rogers: the table to talk about um not considering the bylaws then i guess the process would be if either

[3:14:18] Trustee Rogers: of you have some amendments you want to the uh to make to the bylaws to propose sorry to propose

[3:14:25] Trustee Rogers: the bylaws we'll put those on the table uh or if i want to um propose we'll put them on the table

[3:14:31] Trustee Rogers: and we'll we'll work with those and then we'll either pass those amendments or not and then

[3:14:37] Trustee Rogers: then we'll decide whether to give it third reading or not.

[3:14:39] Trustee Rogers: Third reading.

[3:14:40] Trustee Rogers: So that's the process.

[3:14:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Should we do 306, the OCP, and then do the LEBs?

[3:14:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Like do it in sort of a sequential manner?

[3:14:48] Trustee Rogers: That's fine.

[3:14:49] Trustee Rogers: We could do that.

[3:14:50] Trustee Rogers: So I'm still not hearing anybody say,

[3:14:54] Trustee Rogers: I need to shut this down because of the problem.

[3:14:56] Trustee Rogers: So let's, because we didn't get that submission.

[3:14:58] Trustee Rogers: I want to be clear.

[3:14:59] Trustee Rogers: And there's people watching us that said, slow down.

[3:15:02] Trustee Rogers: and and so i just wanted to give everybody the opportunity to say i'm persuaded by that that

[3:15:10] Trustee Rogers: we should not do this today yeah if

[3:15:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): they were adopting the bylaws today i think that would be

[3:15:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that that to me would feel like a rush process but third reading is a different status to me and

[3:15:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there's a lot of moving pieces in this that involve external organizations you know the

[3:15:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): water licensing piece is at a certain stage we've seen the technical reports and details that back

[3:15:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): back up a lot of what we've heard from the Islands Trust, Freshwater Specialists and others.

[3:15:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): The septic is going to go into another layer of jurisdictional things. The Islands Trust piece of

[3:15:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this is actually quite small. And so we're just trying to figure out, you know, if this fits what

[3:15:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the OCP says and if it fits the needs of the community and everything else, and then the

[3:15:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): policy statement and everything else in the trust there. So I'll just say, I don't see, I haven't

[3:15:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): seen anything that makes me feel like we need to halt this process at this time. And so I'm open

[3:15:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm open to debating and discussing and some of the concerns and ideas and

[3:16:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): solutions, some beautiful solutions for what this Island could be.

[3:16:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm just going to say that a lot of them we have the housing options and

[3:16:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): impacts project. And it's, I think January 20th, is that the new date?

[3:16:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I saw an email that that, that that launch has sort of changed.

[3:16:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Can I just confirm what that date is?

[3:16:22] Voice 10: It sounds right, but I don't know.

[3:16:24] Voice 10: It

[3:16:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sounds right. So that,

[3:16:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): They're going to go to the community and they're going to look at housing, not just affordable housing, but I think we have to get, that's a real trap, just talking about housing and the impacts of residential use on the environment and the community, on reconciliation with Sonoma First Nation, with all those different pieces and talk about what's possible.

[3:16:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and that's where a lot of the ideas and debates and things around this project that's where they

[3:16:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): can find a real home I think and so I think we have to focus here on the specifics of this

[3:16:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): particular project there's a lot of documentation and stuff that leading into that so a lot of what

[3:17:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we heard today will actually fit better with that and I really encourage people to get involved with

[3:17:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that to take the energy and the debates and everything else from this the discussions the

[3:17:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the conversations, the ideas, and that's going to be a wonderful process that will actually change

[3:17:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the OCP and make this sort of thing easier to adopt to a 2020 playing field, because a lot of

[3:17:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): what we're dealing with is older approaches to some of these, you know, really pressing issues.

[3:17:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): But I don't see anything that makes me feel like this isn't the right approach at this time to take

[3:17:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this to third reading okay

[3:17:39] Trustee Rogers: so let me turn to trustee longer as you see

[3:17:41] Trustee Rogers: his general feeling

[3:17:43] Trustee Rogers: and then we can go into specifics yeah

[3:17:45] Voice 31: uh i'm i've mixed feelings about this about the giving

[3:17:49] Voice 31: a third reading at this point in time i i do have a couple minor i i consider minor amendments for

[3:17:57] Voice 31: the ocp they're not ones that i had put forward before so i i know i'm precluded from that

[3:18:02] Voice 31: but they're more I would say they're probably more technical okay and and I there's three of

[3:18:11] Voice 31: them so let me

[3:18:12] Voice 31: just so that's

[3:18:13] Trustee Rogers: 306 yeah

[3:18:15] Voice 31: 306 I could describe it in like one is very I think

[3:18:20] Voice 31: this can be done by by staff alone which is uh where's my OCP now instruction number 1.1

[3:18:30] Voice 31: talks about replacing the word and nine with and 11 and i think it should say

[3:18:37] Voice 31: replacing the words and nine with comma nine and 11 because you've you've deleted uh dpa9

[3:18:47] Voice 31: and the instruction so it's just a minor let's

[3:18:52] Trustee Rogers: just get let's just check in on that as to whether

[3:18:54] Trustee Rogers: it whether it actually because you're saying that this deletes nine but what it's intended to be

[3:19:01] Trustee Rogers: is should be uh is adding 11 to n9 and 11 right yeah yeah yeah

[3:19:08] Voice 31: it's just a my because i actually

[3:19:10] Trustee Rogers: know that that makes sense and i'm just trying to check with the planner as to whether that's

[3:19:15] Trustee Rogers: correct yeah i

[3:19:16] Trustee Rogers: can't remember without pulling a

[3:19:18] Voice 31: dp10 would be uh the ferry corporation

[3:19:22] Voice 31: application that's why it goes 9 to 11 i

[3:19:26] Trustee Rogers: think that makes sense do you plan or do better yeah

[3:19:29] Voice 3: it's because 10 was originally in front of this application it's now behind

[3:19:36] Voice 3: it yeah um yeah i

[3:19:39] Voice 3: think so it should

[3:19:40] Voice 10: say i'm not

[3:19:41] Voice 31: i'm not putting it forward i just want to just it

[3:19:44] Voice 10: should say by

[3:19:45] Voice 10: by replacing the words and nine with the words and nine

[3:19:49] Voice 10: and 11 or adding the words and 11.

[3:19:53] Voice 31: No, could you got to get rid of the and before the nine,

[3:19:56] Voice 31: you got to delete and nine and then replace it

[3:19:59] Voice 31: with comma nine and 11.

[3:20:03] Voice 31: Yeah, that does

[3:20:05] Voice 3: make sense to me.

[3:20:08] Trustee Rogers: Okay, all right.

[3:20:10] Trustee Rogers: So I think we need a motion.

[3:20:13] Trustee Rogers: I think we should, if we're going to amend a bylaw,

[3:20:15] Trustee Rogers: we should make a motion to that effect.

[3:20:17] Trustee Rogers: I just think it's always better to make a motion, and then it's on the record.

[3:20:21] Trustee Rogers: So I think we could just say that you moved that we amend 1.1 to read with, quote, 9 and 11 in place of just in the end 11.

[3:20:37] Voice 31: Yeah.

[3:20:39] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:20:39] Trustee Rogers: So can I have a second?

[3:20:41] Trustee Rogers: So that makes sense.

[3:20:43] Trustee Rogers: I understand it.

[3:20:45] Trustee Rogers: There's no further discussion.

[3:20:46] Trustee Rogers: All in favor?

[3:20:46] Trustee Rogers: That passes.

[3:20:47] Trustee Rogers: thank you for that what was your next uh

[3:20:49] Voice 31: the next one is instruction 1.6 yeah

[3:20:54] Trustee Rogers: and

[3:20:55] Voice 31: this is the one

[3:20:55] Voice 31: where we've replaced this uh a sentence talking about no other types of multi-dwelling affordable

[3:21:01] Voice 31: housing and with one that cites it i struggled with that as well because i read it again because

[3:21:09] Voice 31: it's talking about a future uh situation i mean the ocp comes into effect it establishes the

[3:21:15] Voice 31: authority for the LUB. The LUB then creates that zone and it also establishes it within the OCP.

[3:21:24] Voice 31: It's a bit of a timing issue. What I was thinking would be maybe simpler would just be saying

[3:21:30] Voice 31: currently there are two seniors housing developments brackets designated as seniors

[3:21:35] Voice 31: and special needs SSN in schedule B of this plan period. To accommodate the provision of

[3:21:41] Voice 31: of multifamily affordable housing,

[3:21:43] Voice 31: the plan supports the creation of a new designation, MAH,

[3:21:47] Voice 31: and the zone that is compliant with the objectives

[3:21:49] Voice 31: and policies of this section.

[3:21:51] Voice 31: And that sort of captures what happens down the road.

[3:21:55] Voice 31: And it doesn't have to address the seniors

[3:21:58] Voice 31: and special needs,

[3:21:58] Voice 31: because there's a later instruction which says

[3:22:00] Voice 31: that when there's a new MAH created,

[3:22:05] Voice 31: then we have to do a change

[3:22:06] Voice 31: to the seniors and special needs.

[3:22:09] Voice 31: And that would be a subsequent event.

[3:22:12] Voice 31: i can email you the yeah well you

[3:22:15] Trustee Rogers: can do that but i again i think if we're going to uh give these

[3:22:19] Trustee Rogers: third reading we have to amend them today so yeah yeah

[3:22:22] Trustee Rogers: so if you want to uh you want to email that

[3:22:25] Trustee Rogers: to us yeah

[3:22:26] Voice 31: i'll do that

[3:22:26] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[3:22:27] Voice 31: hold on one second here i'll just get my

[3:22:28] Trustee Rogers: email and what's the third

[3:22:30] Trustee Rogers: one before we do that

[3:22:31] Voice 31: uh hold on i'll just it's in there as well so hold on it's a draft here

[3:22:35] Voice 31: And the third one is where we added, this is in Instruction 1.15, where it was added in brackets, multi-dwelling affordable housing after the term, what do you call it, multiple dwelling affordable housing.

[3:23:24] Voice 31: Sorry,

[3:23:24] Trustee Rogers: what section are you in?

[3:23:26] Voice 31: Let me just find it here.

[3:23:30] Voice 31: It is in, it's instruction 1.16.

[3:23:36] Voice 28: Yeah.

[3:23:36] Voice 28: Which

[3:23:37] Voice 31: says, by adding the words or multi-dwelling affordable housing after housing in the term multiple dwelling affordable housing.

[3:23:44] Voice 31: In fact, the OCP doesn't use the term multiple dwelling affordable housing anywhere.

[3:23:50] Voice 31: It only exists in the definition.

[3:23:52] Voice 31: definition and it what it is i and this only makes sense is that they put in multiple rather

[3:23:59] Voice 31: than multi here because you've now you've got a term and you make it you know like say it's it's

[3:24:07] Voice 31: it's an apple and you put in brackets orange and the whole document just talks about orange

[3:24:14] Voice 31: so it doesn't it's not used anywhere in the ocp other than in the definition section

[3:24:22] Trustee Rogers: Which term? The multiple,

[3:24:25] Voice 31: yeah, so all you need to do is replace multiple of dwelling

[3:24:30] Voice 31: affordable housing with multi-dwelling affordable housing.

[3:24:33] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, we had this, didn't we talk about

[3:24:35] Trustee Rogers: this before and I thought we had cleaned up that use of two

[3:24:39] Voice 31: different terms.

[3:24:41] Voice 31: Yeah, well the challenge is that the term multiple is not used other than in the definition

[3:24:49] Voice 31: definition section with that phrase that in a word search that's so it what it appears to be

[3:24:58] Voice 31: just an old drafting error where they inadvertently put in multiple rather than multi

[3:25:04] Trustee Rogers: and which and you just want to have the word multi in there yeah

[3:25:07] Voice 31: multiple becomes multi that's all

[3:25:09] Voice 31: you don't need the bracketed phrase that's all i was thinking okay so

[3:25:13] Trustee Rogers: those are your two those

[3:25:14] Trustee Rogers: Those are your three, your two amendments.

[3:25:18] Trustee Rogers: One more.

[3:25:19] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, one more.

[3:25:20] Voice 31: I miscounted.

[3:25:20] Voice 31: Okay.

[3:25:22] Voice 31: And this one has got to do with the definition of affordable housing.

[3:25:26] Voice 31: And this is not reintroducing anything that I had tried before.

[3:25:31] Voice 31: What it says now is residential dwelling units that may be rented or owned under the terms of a housing agreement.

[3:25:42] Voice 31: maybe rented or owned implies a future situation or a future capacity and really are we not just

[3:25:50] Voice 31: saying residential dwelling units rented or owned under the terms of a housing agreement

[3:25:55] Voice 31: so

[3:25:55] Trustee Rogers: just you're just proposing we take out the words maybe that

[3:25:59] Voice 31: may be so it's just stating

[3:26:03] Voice 31: the fact that affordable housing is something that's rented or owned under the terms of rather

[3:26:08] Voice 31: rather than that may be rented or owned.

[3:26:12] Voice 31: Because now you're talking about the capacity to become rather than what is.

[3:26:18] Trustee Rogers: So you're suggesting it's a statement of fact

[3:26:21] Trustee Rogers: rather than a conditional statement of fact.

[3:26:24] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[3:26:26] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:26:28] Trustee Rogers: Let me just turn one by one with those first to the planner

[3:26:32] Trustee Rogers: related to the proposals, and then I'll turn to Trustee Polder.

[3:26:37] Trustee Rogers: um so there's the first one related to um 1.6 and let's just find that in his submission which is

[3:26:48] Trustee Rogers: um to accommodate to replace the words basically and one multiple affordable housing development

[3:26:57] Trustee Rogers: designated as a multiple multi uh in schedule b of this plan with the words to accommodate

[3:27:03] Trustee Rogers: Accommodate the provision of multifamily affordable housing.

[3:27:06] Trustee Rogers: The plan supports the creation of a new MAH and zone that is compliant.

[3:27:13] Trustee Rogers: I think the word N shouldn't be in there, but the objectives and policies of that section.

[3:27:19] Trustee Rogers: That's your proposal, right?

[3:27:20] Voice 31: Yeah, supports the creation of a new designation MAH and zone that is compliant with the objectives and policies of this section.

[3:27:29] Voice 31: it's it's really taken out the statement of of the um the the existence of something that's not

[3:27:36] Voice 31: yet in existence well

[3:27:38] Trustee Rogers: it's going to be presumably be in existence and once we adopt the ocp yeah

[3:27:43] Voice 31: personally i would have i i wonder about you even need the first sentence i

[3:27:50] Trustee Rogers: think yeah i gather

[3:27:51] Trustee Rogers: that's just sort of the types of context sentences that are in ocp yeah

[3:27:55] Voice 31: yeah yeah okay

[3:27:57] Trustee Rogers: so planner

[3:27:58] Trustee Rogers: or do either of you have any comments about that proposed amendment no

[3:28:06] Voice 3: i don't have any comment i

[3:28:07] Voice 3: think that makes sense it doesn't um negate what's trying to be said okay

[3:28:12] Trustee Rogers: so yeah and no and nobody

[3:28:14] Trustee Rogers: thinks that's a substantive amendment about use or or okay so let me just go to the next one which

[3:28:20] Trustee Rogers: is the nl uh the plan again the planners which is the one related to um 116 which is to change

[3:28:28] Trustee Rogers: the word multiple to multi any comment about that no

[3:28:34] Voice 3: trustee lane graze is right multiple dwelling

[3:28:36] Voice 3: is never used other than in that definition so really it could just be removed and it could just

[3:28:40] Voice 3: be multi-dwelling okay

[3:28:41] Trustee Rogers: and the third one is the 115 which is to take out the word may that may

[3:28:48] Trustee Rogers: be rented in the affordable housing definition do you have any comments the planners have any

[3:28:54] Trustee Rogers: any comments related to that proposed

[3:28:55] Trustee Rogers: amendment? No.

[3:28:58] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Colburn, what about you?

[3:29:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Just give me...

[3:29:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Earlier...

[3:29:05] Trustee Rogers: You can take as much time as you want.

[3:29:09] Trustee Rogers: No, seriously.

[3:29:11] Trustee Rogers: I

[3:29:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): used to be a video game

[3:29:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): critic for a newspaper

[3:29:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and there's a term called big brain.

[3:29:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It's a type of doing things.

[3:29:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Trustee Langeris is big brained.

[3:29:22] Voice 31: I didn't catch that.

[3:29:25] Voice 31: Why didn't you say that?

[3:29:25] Voice 31: That's probably okay.

[3:29:27] Trustee Rogers: It's a compliment.

[3:29:28] Trustee Rogers: He suggested you're a video game addict.

[3:29:30] Trustee Rogers: That's what he said.

[3:29:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): No, no.

[3:29:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): He does big brain stuff.

[3:29:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It takes a while to wrap your head around.

[3:30:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay, so this is the part I don't get.

[3:30:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It also appears to exclude by silence the application of Section 2.6 policies to the existing multi-affordable housing cited in the proposed rewording.

[3:30:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Can you just take me through that?

[3:30:13] Trustee Rogers: Which section are you in, Scott?

[3:30:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Sorry, I am at the 1.6.

[3:30:21] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:30:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Currently, there are two, and this is in the rationale, the last sentence in the first paragraph of the rationale.

[3:30:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): now it also appears to exclude by science application of section 2.6 policies oh you're

[3:30:38] Trustee Rogers: okay you're reading from uh from trustee longer eyes's cases yeah now yeah

[3:30:44] Voice 17: go ahead case if you

[3:30:48] Voice 10: want to uh

[3:30:49] Voice 31: what i see it doing is just saying that there's two developed senior seniors and

[3:30:54] Voice 31: special needs developments right now yeah and then it says to accommodate the multi-family

[3:31:01] Voice 31: affordable housing, the provision of that, the generic term, not the zone, but the plan

[3:31:08] Voice 31: supports the creation of the MAA zone, and that isn't complied with the objectives and

[3:31:15] Voice 31: policies of the section.

[3:31:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Right, right, okay.

[3:31:17] Voice 31: The section is the whole section, not just this, it's the way I read it.

[3:31:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, it was the exclude by silence part that I didn't, yeah,

[3:31:25] Voice 31: I got it.

[3:31:26] Voice 31: it's it's uh it's i mean it's this is the wording that the latter part is there already currently

[3:31:33] Voice 31: right yeah yeah it's just it's just compressing it and removing the statement about uh there being

[3:31:39] Voice 31: one anyway got it if you we can you can leave it if you like for the time being no

[3:31:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): no it's not a

[3:31:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): substantive

[3:31:46] Voice 31: thing no

[3:31:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): no but it does make it clear yeah okay

[3:31:51] Trustee Rogers: so then uh let's let's let's have a

[3:31:56] Trustee Rogers: Let's make your motion related to 1.6 case

[3:31:59] Trustee Rogers: and let's get that dealt with.

[3:32:03] Voice 31: Okay.

[3:32:05] Voice 31: Okay, I moved that.

[3:32:06] Voice 31: Do you want me to read it all out?

[3:32:08] Voice 31: I guess I should.

[3:32:08] Trustee Rogers: Well, I think you would just have to say the part,

[3:32:12] Trustee Rogers: yeah, you make the motion to replace the words

[3:32:15] Trustee Rogers: that are currently, well, no, I think you better.

[3:32:21] Voice 31: My motion is to remove the entire paragraph

[3:32:24] Voice 31: and replace it with the, right?

[3:32:26] Voice 31: right? That's what I'm doing. So I moved that the bylaw 306 cited as Gabriel Island local

[3:32:35] Voice 31: official community plan bylaw, Gabriel bylaw 1997 amendment number one, 2020 instruction

[3:32:42] Voice 31: be amended by deleting instruction 1.6 in its entirety and replacing it with 1.6

[3:32:51] Voice 31: section two land, general land use and residential development subsection 2.4,

[3:32:55] Voice 31: for a multi-dwelling affordable housing background

[3:32:57] Voice 31: is amended by removing the words currently there are

[3:33:01] Voice 31: and the full paragraph.

[3:33:02] Voice 31: Yeah.

[3:33:03] Voice 18: And

[3:33:03] Voice 31: replacing with the paragraph listed there saying,

[3:33:08] Voice 31: currently there are two seniors housing developments

[3:33:10] Voice 31: in brackets designated as seniors and special needs

[3:33:13] Voice 31: in brackets SSN in schedule B of this plan bracket

[3:33:17] Voice 31: to accommodate the provision

[3:33:19] Voice 31: of multifamily affordable housing.

[3:33:22] Voice 31: the plan supports the creation of a new designation

[3:33:26] Voice 31: MAH and zone that is compliant

[3:33:31] Voice 31: with the objectives and policies of this section.

[3:33:33] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so that's been moved. Is there a seconder for that?

[3:33:39] Trustee Rogers: Okay, that's seconded. Is there any further discussion related to that amendment

[3:33:43] Trustee Rogers: to the bylaw 306?

[3:33:47] Trustee Rogers: Okay, if not, I'll call the vote. All in favor, so that passes

[3:33:51] Trustee Rogers: and Nadine, if you have any problems keeping up,

[3:33:55] Trustee Rogers: you'll let me know.

[3:33:56] Voice 18: I got it.

[3:33:58] Trustee Rogers: Did you get a copy?

[3:33:59] Trustee Rogers: Did you send a copy of your email to Nadine?

[3:34:03] Trustee Rogers: Oh, no, I didn't.

[3:34:04] Voice 31: No, I didn't.

[3:34:05] Voice 31: I should.

[3:34:06] Voice 27: I got it.

[3:34:07] Voice 27: Jamie gave it to me.

[3:34:08] Voice 27: Okay.

[3:34:08] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:34:09] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[3:34:10] Trustee Rogers: Yes.

[3:34:10] Trustee Rogers: Is

[3:34:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there any way to put things on screen to screen share

[3:34:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): with draft motions for the benefit of people watching?

[3:34:21] Trustee Rogers: Maybe Jamie's got control.

[3:34:23] Trustee Rogers: Did you have to control, Jamie?

[3:34:26] Trustee Rogers: No.

[3:34:28] Trustee Rogers: I

[3:34:29] Voice 14: can do it.

[3:34:30] Voice 14: Yep, I can do it.

[3:34:32] Trustee Rogers: And did you get a copy of it?

[3:34:33] Voice 14: I did.

[3:34:34] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:34:34] Trustee Rogers: So if you want to put that up.

[3:34:36] Trustee Rogers: And let's move now to 115, which is the amendment, the proposal to amend definition of affordable housing.

[3:34:45] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[3:34:47] Voice 31: Okay.

[3:34:47] Voice 31: Okay. I moved that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[3:34:52] Voice 31: bylaw 306 cited as Gabriel Island Official Community Plan

[3:34:56] Voice 31: Gabriel Island Bylaw 1997, Amendment 1, 2020

[3:35:00] Voice 31: Instruction 1.15 be amended by deleting the words

[3:35:03] Voice 31: that may be in the definition of the term affordable housing.

[3:35:07] Voice 31: Okay.

[3:35:09] Trustee Rogers: Is there a seconder for that? Thanks for that.

[3:35:13] Trustee Rogers: I'll just say I actually like that. I think that actually

[3:35:16] Trustee Rogers: addresses a few of the questions that were raised at the public hearing today um that because it

[3:35:23] Trustee Rogers: makes it clear that it's more definitive statement of what about what affordable housing is as

[3:35:29] Trustee Rogers: opposed to maybe so i i'm not sure it makes a huge legal difference but i think it's clearer

[3:35:34] Voice 10: and it

[3:35:35] Trustee Rogers: and it i think it's uh more definitive so thank you for that so is there anybody else

[3:35:41] Trustee Rogers: wish to speak to that or else i'll just call the vote i'll all in favor so that that passes

[3:35:47] Trustee Rogers: and then there was simply your your your um uh amendment to 116 as well yeah

[3:35:55] Voice 31: and i i moved um

[3:35:58] Voice 31: dr gabriel i had a local trust committee amend bylaw 306 say there's gabriel island official

[3:36:03] Voice 31: official community plan, Gabriela bylaw 1997,

[3:36:06] Voice 31: amendment number one, 2020 instruction 1.1, six appendix,

[3:36:11] Voice 31: appendix one definitions by replacing the term

[3:36:15] Voice 31: multiple dwelling, affordable housing

[3:36:17] Voice 31: with multi-dwelling affordable housing.

[3:36:20] Trustee Rogers: Okay, is that seconded?

[3:36:24] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I think we've already talked about it.

[3:36:27] Trustee Rogers: I don't think there's any discussion all in favor

[3:36:30] Trustee Rogers: that passes, okay.

[3:36:32] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so those are all of your proposed amendments case?

[3:36:36] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[3:36:37] Trustee Rogers: And Trustee Colburn, do you have any related to the OCP to 306?

[3:36:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I do not.

[3:36:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I sent one for the DPA, which goes under 307.

[3:36:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): All right.

[3:36:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So, yeah.

[3:36:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): No, I did not.

[3:36:54] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:36:55] Trustee Rogers: So then let's go on to 307, which is the land use bylaw.

[3:37:00] Trustee Rogers: uh and we can turn to you and your proposed amendment i did see it somewhere where did i

[3:37:14] Trustee Rogers: see it oh there

[3:37:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it should be

[3:37:18] Trustee Rogers: no i got it i got it yeah okay so do you have a particular place

[3:37:24] Trustee Rogers: that you imagine putting it in

[3:37:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i do so many screens yeah

[3:37:33] Voice 10: they

[3:37:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): all start with gb too um

[3:37:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Sorry, just give me one second.

[3:37:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, I was going to put it right at the end, F11.3.10.

[3:37:57] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:38:01] Trustee Rogers: And there it is.

[3:38:04] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much, whoever put that up.

[3:38:06] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Heather.

[3:38:08] Trustee Rogers: And so your motion is, do you want to make that motion?

[3:38:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I would, yes.

[3:38:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I move that the Development Permit Area 11,

[3:38:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Environmental Protection Development Permit Area 11 be amended

[3:38:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): with F11.3 10 effort shall be made in construction and maintenance activities to source goods

[3:38:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): supplies and services on island to reduce greenhouse gas emissions related to transportation

[3:38:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay

[3:38:38] Trustee Rogers: is there a seconder for that motion for even for discussion thank you uh that's been

[3:38:43] Trustee Rogers: seconded by trustee lingers uh i'll just ask the planners i i assume neither of you believe that

[3:38:49] Trustee Rogers: but that's, but I'll ask the question,

[3:38:51] Trustee Rogers: is that this is in breach of 470 of the local government act?

[3:38:56] Trustee Rogers: No, no, we're fine.

[3:38:58] Trustee Rogers: We're fine with that.

[3:39:00] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, go ahead.

[3:39:01] Trustee Rogers: May I comment?

[3:39:03] Voice 3: I just wanted to point out that this development permit area is,

[3:39:08] Voice 3: has been designated for the protection of the natural environment,

[3:39:11] Voice 3: its ecosystems and biological diversity.

[3:39:13] Voice 3: And so within that, in the OCP, the 306 bylaw,

[3:39:18] Voice 3: it discusses the justification and the objectives for the development permit area and it does not

[3:39:24] Voice 3: speak to reducing greenhouse gas emissions which is an option in the local government act to create

[3:39:31] Voice 3: a development permit area to reduce greenhouse gas emissions so the issue I just see here is that

[3:39:37] Voice 3: if the guideline the guidelines should be supported by the justification and the objectives

[3:39:41] Voice 3: within the development permit area and I just went through them right now and I don't see

[3:39:46] Voice 3: where that guideline would be justified um yeah that's my comment on that um i know that the

[3:39:54] Voice 3: the existing development permit area 8 which the lots will be included in um speaks to reducing

[3:40:02] Voice 3: greenhouse gas emissions um but that's in relation to bicycle and pedestrian transportation um so i

[3:40:10] Voice 3: I just wanted to point that out, that guideline.

[3:40:14] Trustee Rogers: Where do I find the justification in the...

[3:40:18] Voice 3: It's, yeah, it's in bylaw number 306 on page four,

[3:40:24] Voice 3: and it's titled justification,

[3:40:25] Voice 3: and then objectives are right underneath that.

[3:40:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I see greenhouse gas emissions and climate crisis

[3:40:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): as intimately related to protecting ecosystems

[3:40:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and the environment.

[3:40:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So it's all just so interconnected to me.

[3:40:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this is where we break down things into silos and then to me this is um and it speaks to

[3:41:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): making sure that a um a project on the island benefits as many people as possible and in all

[3:41:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): phases of its life i think so far with thanks to the gabriel housing society we've all learned a

[3:41:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): lot more about how this all works um and uh some of the benefits of an environmental protection

[3:41:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is to start to get at how these things are interconnected um so for me and i've received

[3:41:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the reply to this when i put it forward earlier from the planner and you know sort of said i do

[3:41:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): see the connection here to to where um greenhouse gas emissions and climate crisis uh impact the

[3:41:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the local environment and community it's just the scale of it all right and i think this i think this

[3:41:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): speaks to some of what we heard as well in the in the public hearing earlier today so

[3:41:58] Trustee Rogers: let me just

[3:41:59] Trustee Rogers: just ask a question to the planner. I see the objectives. It's sort of

[3:42:03] Trustee Rogers: tangentially related to B, which says to manage development

[3:42:07] Trustee Rogers: in environmentally sensitive areas. I mean, in a sense, this is

[3:42:11] Trustee Rogers: part of managing the development. But

[3:42:15] Trustee Rogers: if it was amended slightly to read

[3:42:19] Trustee Rogers: something like to manage development

[3:42:22] Trustee Rogers: in a time of climate change and in environmentally

[3:42:27] Trustee Rogers: sensitive areas that would sort of broaden the objectives a little bit to

[3:42:31] Trustee Rogers: them to include something like this is that it would you would you think or

[3:42:37] Voice 31: could it could it also be managed development in an environmentally

[3:42:42] Voice 31: sensitive way and and in in sensitive areas like talking about the sense of

[3:42:50] Voice 31: the area this is talking about the land itself you're talking about the impact

[3:42:54] Voice 31: of activities around development.

[3:42:57] Voice 31: I'm just

[3:42:59] Voice 31: managed development.

[3:43:01] Voice 31: I

[3:43:01] Trustee Rogers: see the planner's point

[3:43:03] Trustee Rogers: that we need to make sure

[3:43:06] Trustee Rogers: that when we set out

[3:43:07] Trustee Rogers: the

[3:43:09] Trustee Rogers: guidelines,

[3:43:13] Trustee Rogers: they need to be

[3:43:16] Trustee Rogers: consistent with the

[3:43:17] Trustee Rogers: justification and the

[3:43:21] Trustee Rogers: objectives.

[3:43:22] Trustee Rogers: Correct?

[3:43:22] Trustee Rogers: that's your point

[3:43:24] Trustee Rogers: and that makes sense

[3:43:26] Trustee Rogers: because part of what this is

[3:43:28] Trustee Rogers: is they've got

[3:43:29] Trustee Rogers: with a DPA they have a checklist

[3:43:32] Trustee Rogers: now that gets

[3:43:34] Trustee Rogers: developed and they have to meet the conditions

[3:43:36] Trustee Rogers: of the DPA

[3:43:38] Trustee Rogers: guidelines in order to get

[3:43:40] Trustee Rogers: approved we don't have we lose a bit of

[3:43:42] Trustee Rogers: our we don't have the kind

[3:43:44] Trustee Rogers: of we don't have the

[3:43:46] Trustee Rogers: kind of discretion we have on a

[3:43:48] Trustee Rogers: development variance permits they get

[3:43:50] Trustee Rogers: a bunch of guidelines but on the

[3:43:52] Trustee Rogers: other hand the the the the guidelines come from the justification and the objectives that's right

[3:43:59] Trustee Rogers: and so um perhaps what i can suggest to you uh trustee coldren is that we sort of we just sort

[3:44:06] Trustee Rogers: of stand that motion down for a second and go back to 306 and see if we can come up with some

[3:44:14] Trustee Rogers: language that makes some sense in either the justification or the objectives does that make

[3:44:19] Trustee Rogers: sense are you amenable with that i'm

[3:44:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): assuming both of you are okay with the sort of the sentence or

[3:44:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the the efforts being made here in this so yeah

[3:44:26] Voice 31: yeah yeah yeah okay yeah

[3:44:28] Voice 31: i think it does need a

[3:44:29] Voice 31: change to the ocp though okay

[3:44:31] Trustee Rogers: so let's let's let's postpone the motion from uh to and bring it back

[3:44:36] Trustee Rogers: in a moment let's go back to 306 and to the 1.14 which is the creation of the development permit

[3:44:45] Trustee Rogers: area. And I guess the question is, do we need to change

[3:44:49] Trustee Rogers: anything in the justification?

[3:44:54] Voice 31: I would think B would have to be amended to include the concept of

[3:44:59] Voice 31: managing development in an environmentally sensitive manner

[3:45:03] Voice 31: in, it gets a bit wordy.

[3:45:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, to manage development.

[3:45:09] Trustee Rogers: Why wouldn't we just make another objective?

[3:45:17] Trustee Rogers: Instead of trying to wordsmith B, why don't we put an F in

[3:45:21] Trustee Rogers: that says to manage development

[3:45:25] Trustee Rogers: in an environmentally...

[3:45:28] Trustee Rogers: Friendly

[3:45:29] Voice 31: manner or something.

[3:45:30] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, environmentally sensitive manner.

[3:45:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Right, okay.

[3:45:38] Trustee Rogers: Right, and that we don't have to try and wordsmith B.

[3:45:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, that makes sense.

[3:45:42] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I'll take that as a motion

[3:45:47] Trustee Rogers: to amend the objectives of 1.14

[3:45:54] Trustee Rogers: 4 by adding F to manage

[3:45:58] Trustee Rogers: development in an environmentally sensitive manner.

[3:46:03] Voice 12: Got it.

[3:46:04] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I think that was made by Trustee Colburn,

[3:46:08] Trustee Rogers: seconded by Trustee Langez. I'll call the vote on that.

[3:46:11] Trustee Rogers: Any further discussion about that? So we've made another amendment to

[3:46:15] Trustee Rogers: 306. Now we are on to

[3:46:19] Trustee Rogers: the guidelines and the motion to add

[3:46:23] Trustee Rogers: 5.1 f 11 3.10 which was up in the screen a minute ago um but it was moved and seconded actually

[3:46:35] Trustee Rogers: so is there any further discussion related to that motion from trustee culver okay i'll call

[3:46:42] Trustee Rogers: the vote on that all in favor that passes unanimously i

[3:46:47] Voice 26: just have one question

[3:46:48] Trustee Rogers: is it

[3:46:50] Voice 6: it S for Sam, 11.3.10, or F for Frank? Frank.

[3:46:58] Voice 6: Thank you.

[3:47:05] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so now we're at, I'll turn to

[3:47:08] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Ligaris and ask you if you had any amendments to 307.

[3:47:14] Voice 31: None that I, I've already

[3:47:16] Voice 31: put forward all my amendments in the past.

[3:47:18] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I'm going to move that we amend,

[3:47:24] Trustee Rogers: And so I have to find my notes and like, like, uh,

[3:47:29] Trustee Rogers: Rusty Colburn, there's too many pieces of paper and too many screens.

[3:47:33] Trustee Rogers: I'm working on,

[3:47:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I don't, I don't, I don't use paper.

[3:47:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I got 412 tabs open right now.

[3:47:42] Trustee Rogers: I decided I need a binder for today. Um,

[3:47:48] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to go to, uh, uh,

[3:47:51] Trustee Rogers: the guidelines again of, of, uh, the DPA. Uh,

[3:47:55] Trustee Rogers: And I'm working off of Ms. Ferencz's suggestions.

[3:48:02] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to propose a few changes.

[3:48:06] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to move that F11.3.3 be amended by replacing the word should with shall.

[3:48:14] Trustee Rogers: Can

[3:48:25] Voice 14: you say that again?

[3:48:26] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[3:48:27] Trustee Rogers: F11.3.3.

[3:48:35] Trustee Rogers: and so it would read native vegetation trees shall be retained wherever possible

[3:48:40] Trustee Rogers: so it's not suggested correct

[3:48:47] Voice 17: what's

[3:48:58] Trustee Rogers: the motion a draft resolution what what is it that you've got

[3:49:02] Trustee Rogers: uh amy because i can withdraw

[3:49:04] Voice 3: it hasn't been specifically yeah it's specifically in relation

[3:49:08] Voice 3: to the wording for this development permit area guideline so um if you want i can share it on the

[3:49:13] Voice 3: the screen okay bear with me here yeah

[3:49:17] Trustee Rogers: fine we'll just we'll just withdraw my motion for the moment

[3:49:21] Voice 3: i'm pretty sure i'm on the same wavelength as you but um here we go okay there we go

[3:49:32] Voice 3: let

[3:49:38] Voice 14: me just make a little bigger yeah there we go how's that three

[3:49:44] Voice 26: five okay

[3:49:51] Voice 26: and

[3:49:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this is literally what you make us do it's like you look at the thing and you go

[3:49:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): look at the one that it is now i love track changes i love track i'll

[3:50:03] Voice 3: just point out that

[3:50:03] Voice 3: i think it's 3.4 i think two of them have should twice in the guideline so um should be all shoulds

[3:50:12] Voice 3: should be changed to shall yeah

[3:50:14] Voice 31: yeah and that's 3.4 has two shoulds and yeah and same with three

[3:50:21] Voice 31: five. I'll

[3:50:45] Trustee Rogers: just say the only one I was really glitching on was

[3:50:48] Trustee Rogers: 11.3.6, and

[3:50:52] Trustee Rogers: just because that would require them

[3:50:56] Trustee Rogers: to leave a tree regardless of any other

[3:51:00] Trustee Rogers: considerations.

[3:51:04] Trustee Rogers: And so that's the only one I was not going to propose.

[3:51:11] Trustee Rogers: But otherwise,

[3:51:13] Trustee Rogers: Otherwise that mirrors what I was going to do, so.

[3:51:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Just for the benefit of the public,

[3:51:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because this is 3.3 is native vegetation and trees.

[3:51:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): 3.4 is vegetation clearing

[3:51:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): during the least risk timing window.

[3:51:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): 11.3.5 is eagles nests and bird nests.

[3:51:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Right.

[3:51:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And six is employed, yes, of coastal Douglas fir.

[3:51:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And

[3:51:44] Trustee Rogers: with the Eagle's Nest, there is a, and with 11.3.4, there is also, there is a way around it if they need it.

[3:51:55] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[3:51:56] Trustee Rogers: It's just that there isn't in 11.3.6.

[3:51:59] Trustee Rogers: I mean, they can get a, they can find, but it just, it's more complicated.

[3:52:04] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[3:52:06] Trustee Rogers: Anyway,

[3:52:06] Voice 18: my proposal

[3:52:07] Trustee Rogers: is A, B, and C.

[3:52:12] Trustee Rogers: not D. So I would move that the Gabriela

[3:52:18] Trustee Rogers: Local Trust Community Amend By-law 307 site is Gabriela

[3:52:22] Trustee Rogers: Landage By-law Amendment Number 2020 Appendix 2

[3:52:26] Trustee Rogers: Section F11, DP11 Amendment of Environmental Protection

[3:52:30] Trustee Rogers: Subjects and Guidelines by Amending as follows, and then

[3:52:34] Trustee Rogers: A, B, and C. And I think I had you seconded.

[3:52:39] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[3:52:40] Voice 31: I did, but I... So go ahead.

[3:52:42] Voice 31: Should it say where found or something like that in 3 and 4 and 5?

[3:52:49] Voice 31: Could there be a multiple?

[3:52:50] Voice 31: Is that sufficient wording?

[3:52:53] Voice 31: I

[3:52:53] Trustee Rogers: think that's sufficient.

[3:52:54] Voice 31: Okay.

[3:52:55] Trustee Rogers: I mean, I

[3:52:56] Trustee Rogers: get your point, but I think it's sufficient.

[3:52:58] Trustee Rogers: Okay, it's been seconded.

[3:52:59] Trustee Rogers: Is there any further discussion related to this?

[3:53:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Why not 6, though, Chair Rogers?

[3:53:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah.

[3:53:04] Trustee Rogers: Well, because here's the way it reads.

[3:53:07] Trustee Rogers: It reads, avoid removal of mature and old Douglas fir and western red cedar trees to the extent possible.

[3:53:16] Trustee Rogers: And then it says, trees with unique identified wildlife habitat or unique habitat potential shall be retained and incorporated into the design.

[3:53:25] Trustee Rogers: and there is i guess what i'm saying is is in that in the other two cases with trees there's

[3:53:33] Trustee Rogers: then a way to get around it with adding language that allows them to go get a

[3:53:37] Trustee Rogers: environmental assessment and come in with a proposal etc etc but that would mean that if

[3:53:44] Trustee Rogers: there's a tree that would be an impediment they have to keep it and i guess i'm a little concerned

[3:53:50] Trustee Rogers: about hamstringing them a little bit about that one yeah

[3:53:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah and

[3:53:55] Trustee Rogers: i thought perhaps in that

[3:53:56] Trustee Rogers: circumstances the word should would allow them to to to would mean that they they had to they they

[3:54:04] Trustee Rogers: would need to consider it and try to keep it in and it would be part of our consideration as a

[3:54:08] Trustee Rogers: development permit uh but if they had a good reason not to then we would we would uh they

[3:54:14] Trustee Rogers: they could be deemed to satisfy i guess that's my thinking yeah no

[3:54:19] Voice 31: that makes sense actually

[3:54:19] Voice 31: Actually, one of the questions I have about this session and rereading it, it says, or unique habitat potential.

[3:54:27] Voice 31: That's the word potential.

[3:54:32] Voice 31: It's, I'm not sure how you would assess.

[3:54:35] Voice 31: It

[3:54:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): mostly means the birds and the animals haven't chosen it yet, but they may.

[3:54:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That's what it means to me.

[3:54:41] Trustee Rogers: That would be pretty much any tree in, I mean, in 40 years, every tree is going to be a snag.

[3:54:49] Trustee Rogers: And it could be an eagle's nest.

[3:54:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): anyway

[3:54:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I do see why you

[3:54:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I will second that

[3:54:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): without the D

[3:55:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you're right

[3:55:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this went really quick

[3:55:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sorry

[3:55:10] Voice 10: that's it

[3:55:11] Voice 10: I

[3:55:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): didn't think we could

[3:55:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the whole point of the broader

[3:55:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): attempt within the Islands Trust to get

[3:55:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): more extensive

[3:55:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): regulatory powers

[3:55:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): not more extensive, the same powers

[3:55:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that other municipalities and local governments have is the whole reason I didn't really think

[3:55:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that we could say shall in this because I didn't think we had the legislative mandate to be able

[3:55:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to do it you know

[3:55:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): what I'm saying we

[3:55:43] Trustee Rogers: can pass we can't pass a tree cutting by law but we can put

[3:55:46] Trustee Rogers: we can put areas into development permit areas yeah which

[3:55:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is why we're all kind of thinking

[3:55:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): like let's just do a development permit area for the whole island's trust area you know and I think

[3:56:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we're moving towards that but this is an intermediary step so yeah okay yeah i'm fine

[3:56:07] Trustee Rogers: i'm fine okay so then i'll call the vote on that all in favor and i don't think anybody else had

[3:56:13] Trustee Rogers: anything else on 307 so um so that's we've made those few amendments to 306 307 um i have some

[3:56:26] Trustee Rogers: some things I want to say if someone makes the motion

[3:56:28] Trustee Rogers: to, and we had from

[3:56:30] Trustee Rogers: Becky

[3:56:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, I've got it. Do you want me to

[3:56:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): do this? Let's do

[3:56:38] Trustee Rogers: 306 and

[3:56:39] Trustee Rogers: then we'll do 307.

[3:56:42] Trustee Rogers: I have some things I want to say

[3:56:45] Trustee Rogers: when we do this, but

[3:56:46] Trustee Rogers: I'll let you guys speak to them, but let's

[3:56:48] Trustee Rogers: get the motion on the table first. Okay.

[3:56:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That Gabriel

[3:56:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 306

[3:56:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): cited as Gabriel Island Official

[3:56:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Official community plan, Gabriola bylaw 1997, amendment number 1, 2020, be read a third time.

[3:57:01] Trustee Rogers: I think you have to say as amended in there somewhere.

[3:57:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): As amended, yeah.

[3:57:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Be read, as amended, be read a third time.

[3:57:09] Trustee Rogers: Is there a seconder for that?

[3:57:10] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:57:11] Trustee Rogers: So let's, let's, does someone want to speak to, my general approach to these is,

[3:57:18] Trustee Rogers: is I've written out a series of comments related to this after the public hearing,

[3:57:22] Trustee Rogers: but i generally like to sort of give all my comments the first motion and then and then

[3:57:28] Trustee Rogers: just sort of move through the rest so do either of you does anybody wish to speak to the motion

[3:57:33] Trustee Rogers: i

[3:57:35] Voice 31: do yeah go ahead yeah i struggle with it with the ocp changes and i i doubt what happened at

[3:57:43] Voice 31: second reading and it really hasn't changed for me in that respect um you know when i looked at

[3:57:50] Voice 31: the OCP and the changes we were doing, I started on the premise, and I still believe that,

[3:57:55] Voice 31: that we would be making changes specific to the application. And that, you know, I didn't agree

[3:58:03] Voice 31: with taking out the, moving the stuff into the housing agreement from the OCP. And I still am

[3:58:09] Voice 31: of that view, you know, that it really should be in the OCP. And that, you know, what we're trying

[3:58:16] Voice 31: to facilitate is a one-off because they're going they're moving in advance of the housing options

[3:58:23] Voice 31: and impact review thing so it's like a on the side kind of changes that we're doing but in my

[3:58:29] Voice 31: view we've extended beyond that too you know we're now we've now established ownership as a potential

[3:58:36] Voice 31: in by putting it into the definition uh we've uh um where are the comments there yeah the

[3:58:44] Voice 31: The affordability test is now in the housing agreement and the ownership.

[3:58:50] Voice 31: Yeah, so the 30% rule.

[3:58:53] Voice 31: The housing agreement is an agreement in perpetuity, but it's amendable as well.

[3:58:59] Voice 31: And so it just provides less certainty in my view.

[3:59:02] Voice 31: So that's just my personal view on it.

[3:59:04] Voice 31: It hasn't really changed.

[3:59:07] Voice 31: Okay.

[3:59:08] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[3:59:09] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Colburn?

[3:59:11] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[3:59:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'm uh i hear trustee i mean i've been really listening and learning um and and i do

[3:59:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): hear that concern to me the ocp it takes so almost four it takes a long time to change them

[3:59:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you know and this we've gone down this road in this process and it's kind of like the community

[3:59:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): wants this but that's

[3:59:31] Voice 17: it's

[3:59:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): not happening at a rate that's reflecting the massive changes that

[3:59:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that are happening, you know, around the world, but more locally close to home too, from climate

[3:59:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): crisis and the development pressures and everything else. And for me, the Islands Trust,

[3:59:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): his toolkit is so small, we concentrate on use, not the users. And you know, the word that really

[3:59:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): bothers me in all this is classes of people. We're defining classes of people that can use...

[4:00:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): as we go down that road i just start all this equity stuff just starts to really bother me

[4:00:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so you know we're talking about rental housing we're talking the use is rental housing and that's

[4:00:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): why the ocp which you know just hasn't been updated in long enough to reflect the the and

[4:00:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we don't want to go we won't keep bringing up what the need there is i think that's a documented

[4:00:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there's data there's research you know um so to me i think it has to be an ocp change and then

[4:00:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we're already doing a housing project and then I'm going to spend the next two

[4:00:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): years making sure that Gabriela gets its OCP reviewed you know it needs it

[4:00:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): engagement started with this and starts with the project then we can really have

[4:00:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a full some community conversations and our actions can be directed by the

[4:00:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): community here and by the name look and all the ways that we've been talking

[4:00:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): about as we go through this work so I think we have to do it this way I don't

[4:00:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i don't see another approach the

[4:00:57] Voice 31: housing options impact review statement will likely change the

[4:01:00] Voice 31: ocp it's not that the ocp is closed yeah and it's iterative so but it's changing

[4:01:06] Voice 31: and this is sort of

[4:01:07] Voice 31: a middle stage uh we're anticipating an outcome in that respect i

[4:01:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): don't know what i mean the

[4:01:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): community engagement is going to dictate what that outcome is it's not us yeah anyway we're

[4:01:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): kind of interpreters of what the community is going to say they're going to go out there and

[4:01:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's going to be so much better than a facebook discussion it's you know what i mean and and it's

[4:01:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): going to involve a lot of voices and we're going to get people who have different experiences of

[4:01:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): life on this island or who aren't on this island but were a long time ago and and we're going to

[4:01:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): be able to talk about hey i want to see eco villages in this and this and this and we can

[4:01:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): talk about the science of planning and what that that actually multi-family dwellings and more

[4:01:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): more creative ways to live together in, in, in what.

[4:01:56] Voice 31: I support the concept of co-ops is a great idea. Yeah.

[4:02:00] Voice 31: And micro micro homes, micro housing.

[4:02:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And so what we've got here is a, is a group,

[4:02:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a nonprofit group that has something that you need,

[4:02:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you need land and water and, and, and they've got the land.

[4:02:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And so they brought forward this, this proposal. And so, and then,

[4:02:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): then this is, and this doesn't fill the gaps. I mean,

[4:02:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that came up over and over and you know and just because it doesn't doesn't mean you don't do it

[4:02:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and there's other ways to do it that that you know will will decrease social isolation for

[4:02:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): seniors because they'll have more support and people around them and will decrease the stress

[4:02:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on people who life circumstances change in so many different ways and all of a sudden they feel like

[4:02:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): they have to leave their friends and family that's that's that's that doesn't help the community

[4:02:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): doesn't help the environment and that's something that i hope comes out is what actually has an

[4:02:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): environmental impact is homelessness you don't have to prevent home like the the data presenting

[4:02:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): homelessness is huge i'm going i'm going too big no

[4:03:00] Voice 31: you're not going too big but i i see it slightly

[4:03:02] Voice 31: different too it's not just homelessness it's also construction it's development it's subdivision

[4:03:09] Voice 31: all of that

[4:03:09] Voice 31: impacts it's uh people you know building large houses uh deciding that they

[4:03:14] Voice 31: need to take trees down to improve their view all of that kind of stuff yeah and we've declared

[4:03:20] Voice 31: the climate change emergency and we're not supposed to be doing business as usual we need

[4:03:23] Voice 31: to start looking at our coastal douglas for at our marine environment you know along the shoreline

[4:03:28] Voice 31: docks etc all of that kind of stuff is something that we need to act upon and we need to act upon

[4:03:33] Voice 31: it soon i think you know it's it's unfortunate that it's so hard to get things onto the project

[4:03:39] Voice 31: or priority list and that's a real challenge and

[4:03:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so few of the things that people are concerned

[4:03:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): about from a development point of view the thing that leads to the 810 ferry coming from the naimo

[4:03:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): being overloaded with weight of gravel trucks is not development of affordable housing it's it's

[4:03:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): everything else and that's what you know the fact is we get to talk about this and the community

[4:04:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): gets to be engaged in this because it doesn't exist right now and that people don't have to

[4:04:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): if you want a clear cut and put up a 16,000 square foot home you can do that under existing

[4:04:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): violence trust

[4:04:10] Voice 31: yeah right oh yeah yeah there's things that can be done we just need to be able

[4:04:16] Voice 31: to do what we can when we can to limit it. I mean that's you know we can't take the argument well

[4:04:23] Voice 31: we can't it's possible so we then don't do anything about it when we can and when the

[4:04:30] Voice 31: opportunity is there we should.

[4:04:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah so to me I think when you get down to defining what affordable

[4:04:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): housing is you're getting into the users not the use. To me it's rental, it fits and I think

[4:04:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And actually, the home ownership piece, I just wanted to have Chair Rogers, I know you might bring that up to you, but the home ownership piece that came up in the public hearing as well, but because I think it does provide a path to it potentially, and that's a more progressive outcome as well. But yeah.

[4:05:05] Trustee Rogers: So, thanks, guys. That was a great.

[4:05:09] Trustee Rogers: What was that?

[4:05:10] Trustee Rogers: Well, that was that was you guys having a conversation about what about the motion that's on the table.

[4:05:15] Trustee Rogers: we don't

[4:05:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): get to talk that often that's the that's the weird thing about this job you get elected

[4:05:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you never get to talk to the freaking person yeah

[4:05:20] Trustee Rogers: i know and that's the problem and and and i'm going

[4:05:24] Trustee Rogers: to encourage you if you want to carry on that conversation i'm just i the only way i can do

[4:05:28] Trustee Rogers: these things is to sort of write some notes and and and then and then read them out that's the

[4:05:35] Trustee Rogers: way i approach because i i have a view that i think people who have made submissions to us

[4:05:42] Trustee Rogers: and taking the time, need to know the reasons why I'm doing what I'm doing.

[4:05:46] Trustee Rogers: So I'm just going to go to read a few things,

[4:05:49] Trustee Rogers: and then I can come back to you two.

[4:05:53] Trustee Rogers: So I just wanted to say I've decided to support the bylaws

[4:05:59] Trustee Rogers: as they've been amended today.

[4:06:02] Trustee Rogers: I'm speaking to 306, but these would be my similar comments to 307.

[4:06:07] Trustee Rogers: I want to acknowledge all of the considerations and submissions that have been made by those that have considerations or are opposed to the development generally.

[4:06:23] Trustee Rogers: I'd like to address a number of those as I understand them, because I think it's important to recognize them and understand them.

[4:06:31] Trustee Rogers: So the first one I've talked about is this proposal doesn't do enough for those that have housing issues.

[4:06:36] Trustee Rogers: and we heard that a few times today, and in writing.

[4:06:40] Trustee Rogers: I agree, however, it is the proposal that was before us,

[4:06:45] Trustee Rogers: after many years of discussion on the island

[4:06:48] Trustee Rogers: related to alternate ways to assist with housing.

[4:06:52] Trustee Rogers: I thought that some of the history from,

[4:06:55] Trustee Rogers: I think it was Sybil Frye was quite interesting

[4:06:57] Trustee Rogers: because I didn't know that history.

[4:06:59] Trustee Rogers: I would love to consider an ecovillage

[4:07:02] Trustee Rogers: or something of that nature, however that might,

[4:07:04] Trustee Rogers: or whatever that might look like,

[4:07:06] Trustee Rogers: or a micro home development however that's not what is proposed and i you'll recall from the

[4:07:12] Trustee Rogers: cim that this is a specific bylaw application that we're dealing with the old adage that if

[4:07:18] Trustee Rogers: you wait for perfect you won't get good comes to mind uh this proposal won't and doesn't pretend

[4:07:25] Trustee Rogers: to address all the housing issues on the island but it does address some of them would be better

[4:07:29] Trustee Rogers: if there were more deeply subsidized units available perhaps there is perspective that

[4:07:36] Trustee Rogers: having mixed housing creates a healthier community i'm not an expert on these issues but i've read

[4:07:41] Trustee Rogers: many point of views in any case this was pointed out by the applicant housing isn't created by

[4:07:47] Trustee Rogers: bylaw amendments it's created by funding the sources of sufficient funding are likely not

[4:07:53] Trustee Rogers: found on gabriela so the funding available is from senior levels of government the province

[4:07:58] Trustee Rogers: is experiencing an unprecedented commitment to and demand for for funding to create affordable

[4:08:05] Trustee Rogers: housing the fact is the funding comes from the uh with the conditions the funder puts on it

[4:08:10] Trustee Rogers: but this is not a private capitalist source if i can put that in quotation because there was some

[4:08:19] Trustee Rogers: discussion about off-island funders it is the province provincial and federal government we

[4:08:25] Trustee Rogers: We may not agree with their parameters, but the choice is decline to apply for funding

[4:08:29] Trustee Rogers: or find funding on the island or provide the ability to meet their requirements.

[4:08:35] Trustee Rogers: I'm encouraged, greatly encouraged, that a different process is proceeding to engage

[4:08:40] Trustee Rogers: the community in discussing other ways to create housing affordability.

[4:08:44] Trustee Rogers: The housing options team is rolling out its consultation, but in the meantime, we need

[4:08:49] Trustee Rogers: to decide whether this particular proposal should be enabled, imperfect as it may be.

[4:08:55] Trustee Rogers: The second consideration, water is scarce and use may affect neighbors.

[4:08:59] Trustee Rogers: This is often a concern raised by neighbors to a proposal and is a very valid concern.

[4:09:04] Trustee Rogers: I would not be in favor of a proposal that was likely to have an impact on the existing wells in an area.

[4:09:09] Trustee Rogers: Water is a complicated legal issue and a complicated scientific issue.

[4:09:13] Trustee Rogers: The trust does not have final regulatory approval on water.

[4:09:17] Trustee Rogers: The province does.

[4:09:18] Trustee Rogers: We simply make water an issue in determining whether to provide the zoning changes that are necessary for a proposal to proceed.

[4:09:24] Trustee Rogers: seed. So what do we have here? The original water study and the other water study shows that the

[4:09:31] Trustee Rogers: well in question is not connected to the wells in the Lock and Bar area and should have no impact

[4:09:37] Trustee Rogers: on them as they are on a different fracture. The tests show that wells should have no impact on

[4:09:42] Trustee Rogers: the school well and that the well will only increase the drawdown on the recharge area by

[4:09:47] Trustee Rogers: 1%. This information has been vetted by the Islands Trust freshwater specialist who agrees

[4:09:53] Trustee Rogers: with the conclusion of the consultant.

[4:09:55] Trustee Rogers: The province has confirmed generally

[4:09:57] Trustee Rogers: that the conclusions are appropriate.

[4:10:00] Trustee Rogers: In the end, it will be the province

[4:10:02] Trustee Rogers: that will issue a water license or not.

[4:10:04] Trustee Rogers: And final reading of the bylaws, i.e. adoption,

[4:10:07] Trustee Rogers: will not be done unless and until a water license is granted.

[4:10:10] Trustee Rogers: The province will place its own conditions

[4:10:12] Trustee Rogers: on that water license and that comforts me

[4:10:15] Trustee Rogers: in coming to my conclusion.

[4:10:17] Trustee Rogers: What about the septic?

[4:10:18] Trustee Rogers: Again, septic should always be a concern and a consideration.

[4:10:21] Trustee Rogers: we are not the regulatory authority on septic fields we decide if the plans in place satisfy

[4:10:27] Trustee Rogers: us the septic will be appropriate to allow us to amend the bylaws here the septic will have to be

[4:10:32] Trustee Rogers: approved by the provincial ministry in accordance with septic regulations we are sure that the

[4:10:37] Trustee Rogers: septic will be a type 3 the highest level of treatment and as with water the treatment

[4:10:41] Trustee Rogers: facility can't be built until the funding is granted and the funding can't be granted until

[4:10:46] Trustee Rogers: until the regulatory approval, i.e. bylaws have been approved.

[4:10:50] Trustee Rogers: So some things will change.

[4:10:51] Trustee Rogers: However, we as an NLTC have final approval of the bylaws.

[4:10:55] Trustee Rogers: And of course the building code

[4:10:57] Trustee Rogers: and the provincial authorities all must be satisfied.

[4:11:00] Trustee Rogers: We rely on the best expert scientific evidence we can get.

[4:11:03] Trustee Rogers: It satisfies me that so far as we can be sure

[4:11:06] Trustee Rogers: the neighbors should be secure from impacts on their well,

[4:11:09] Trustee Rogers: from the development well or the septic field.

[4:11:13] Trustee Rogers: The next issue I wanted to address

[4:11:15] Trustee Rogers: with density and island character. We heard from some that this density, and the phrase was used,

[4:11:20] Trustee Rogers: created out of thin air, is the way one person put it, is inappropriate. It depends on what you

[4:11:27] Trustee Rogers: view as the most important island characteristic. There's no doubt in my mind that rampant single

[4:11:33] Trustee Rogers: family home development on this island and others is the biggest driver of development and the

[4:11:39] Trustee Rogers: creation of deforestation issues. A single family home, while considered the norm, requires almost

[4:11:45] Trustee Rogers: none of the conditions we are putting on this application. It is correct this development is

[4:11:51] Trustee Rogers: close to some other relatively new density but is also close to the village core, which is one of

[4:11:56] Trustee Rogers: the criteria in the OCP. Anything close to the village core is likely to be close to other

[4:12:01] Trustee Rogers: development. I don't agree that we need to go back to the considerations of the island as it was in

[4:12:06] Trustee Rogers: in 1974 as one person in the public hearing integrated.

[4:12:11] Trustee Rogers: Much has changed for better and in some cases for worse.

[4:12:15] Trustee Rogers: This proposal should not increase the population

[4:12:17] Trustee Rogers: of the island much given that it is designed primarily

[4:12:20] Trustee Rogers: for those already on Gabriola.

[4:12:23] Trustee Rogers: It will mean that the people who decide they can live there

[4:12:26] Trustee Rogers: don't have to live in Nanaimo and provide some form

[4:12:29] Trustee Rogers: of secure housing for those whose housing is insecure.

[4:12:33] Trustee Rogers: secure. The forest. The Coastal Douglas fir forest and the connected environmental issues

[4:12:39] Trustee Rogers: have actually caused me the most concern. We at the Trust are committed to protecting as much of

[4:12:45] Trustee Rogers: the intact forest as we possibly can. Again, I believe that the privately owned land clearing

[4:12:50] Trustee Rogers: is the most impactful issue related to forest degradation. We have little control over that at

[4:12:56] Trustee Rogers: this stage. This balancing act about community need versus the environmental impact has given

[4:13:01] Trustee Rogers: me much pause for thought i considered all the submissions on that including an insightful piece

[4:13:06] Trustee Rogers: from the rain coast conservation foundation um it this is apparently i haven't had a chance to see

[4:13:12] Trustee Rogers: it a fine piece of forest so how do i come to conclusion to approve the removal of some of

[4:13:18] Trustee Rogers: the forest for the housing project first the land is currently zoned institutional

[4:13:23] Trustee Rogers: it could be logged any day if not rezoned the dpa placed on the land gives the ltc some control over

[4:13:29] Trustee Rogers: the development over 50 of the forests will be retained including the western buffer with lock

[4:13:34] Trustee Rogers: and bar i wish there was another option and to removing forest but any development involved

[4:13:39] Trustee Rogers: any development anywhere on the island would involve some form of environmental impact

[4:13:43] Trustee Rogers: i'm satisfied that proponents have a plan to minimize that as much as possible

[4:13:47] Trustee Rogers: i agree with the view that the trust mandate and the mandate of the lcc is not simply to

[4:13:52] Trustee Rogers: protection of the of the environment but also to enable appropriate development for the community

[4:13:59] Trustee Rogers: For example, should we turn down a new ferry development?

[4:14:03] Trustee Rogers: I am satisfied the need is intensely real and have made that choice to vote in favor of these bylaws, even with my considerations about the forest.

[4:14:17] Trustee Rogers: The next issue I want to address was the bylaw and the definition of affordable housing.

[4:14:22] Trustee Rogers: We as an LTC have debated the various provisions of the bylaw and various definitions for many hours.

[4:14:27] Trustee Rogers: You've heard Trustee Langeras talk about his view.

[4:14:30] Trustee Rogers: I want to thank both Trustee Colburn and Trustee Langeras for their detailed and thoughtful approach to these issues.

[4:14:36] Trustee Rogers: As well, I want to thank Planner DeBena for her work on these bylaws and RPM Cowher for her helpful suggestions.

[4:14:42] Trustee Rogers: We have debated whether the definition of affordability should be specific in the bylaws or should be defined in terms of the housing agreement.

[4:14:50] Trustee Rogers: agreement. I'm of the view that providing the definition in the sense of having the

[4:14:55] Trustee Rogers: housing agreement provides the most flexibility for all sorts of proposals in the future and

[4:15:01] Trustee Rogers: for this proposal. All of them related to affordability or accessibility. Any land not

[4:15:06] Trustee Rogers: appropriately zoned in the future would require a rezoning in addition to a housing agreement

[4:15:12] Trustee Rogers: and therefore there would be a public process. And by the way, the way the bylaws are drafted

[4:15:21] Trustee Rogers: and for this particular case there will be rental affordable housing in perpetuity

[4:15:26] Trustee Rogers: last question i wanted to address is have we moved too fast and we heard that from some people

[4:15:32] Trustee Rogers: so this project was introduced to the community in december of 2019 and came to the ltc in january

[4:15:39] Trustee Rogers: 2020 i think i was a bit misunderstood with what i said in a previous meeting my experience is that

[4:15:45] Trustee Rogers: proponents or those in favor often say the trust is moving far too slowly if you read our survey

[4:15:51] Trustee Rogers: response particularly to our budget survey in the trust generally one of the most common

[4:15:56] Trustee Rogers: refrains that we are too bureaucratic and contrary to what was suggested by one speaker

[4:16:01] Trustee Rogers: we that we always approve everything we are often seen as the voices of no for those opposed to a

[4:16:09] Trustee Rogers: proposal we are often perceived as moving too fast i hear what that people feel we should slow down

[4:16:16] Trustee Rogers: for careful consideration to get the community on board i'm a big proponent of community engagement

[4:16:22] Trustee Rogers: we've had to discuss this for months we've had two community information meetings and numerous

[4:16:27] Trustee Rogers: ltc meetings we have received over 150 submissions over the course of the last eight months

[4:16:32] Trustee Rogers: so from introduction of the application to the third reading of the bylaws with some conditions

[4:16:40] Trustee Rogers: i.e affordable housing agreement a water license a development permit yet to come we've done all

[4:16:46] Trustee Rogers: that in 12 months does that seem too quick i suppose it depends on your perspective but it

[4:16:52] Trustee Rogers: doesn't seem to me that anything has been left undone that needs to occur so with those comments

[4:16:59] Trustee Rogers: i wanted to let you know with those comments i'll be voting to give third reading to this

[4:17:04] Trustee Rogers: spinal and when the motion is made for the next one so trustees anything further you'd like to say

[4:17:14] Trustee Rogers: wow

[4:17:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): did you ever lose a case oh yeah

[4:17:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): remember who

[4:17:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i acted for yeah see i'm learning i'm gonna i'm gonna draft out some stuff in

[4:17:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): between the public hearing and the next part because wow um you know i it came up earlier

[4:17:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): about emotions and about the emotions of people uh playing a part in this and i get passionate

[4:17:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): about some of this stuff but i'm trying to figure out what's the biggest impact and to me i'm

[4:17:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): someone who if i hear a tree fall and there's chainsaws and stuff like people in my neighborhood

[4:17:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): when i hear someone scream stop it across the water that's like that i hate this stuff i wish

[4:17:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there were ways to to be able to do things where we keep the forest intact this is a couple of

[4:17:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): acres it's special forest it's really special to people around it because they know it better than

[4:18:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the rest of us um you know my dad was a line locator for bell canada for 35 years my mom

[4:18:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): raised us and then worked as a director and volunteers of the hospital and my dad

[4:18:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): found 150 acre farm and yoinked it um from the loggers who owned it for a dollar more than they

[4:18:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): paid and so when we ended up getting we planted about 20 000 trees on that thing and going back

[4:18:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and seeing that 15 years later was one of the real highlights of my life so i like i do feel the the

[4:18:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the impact side of this um but there's a there's a balance to be made with the stress and the

[4:18:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): pressure in them and the outcomes for people who are going through real crises in their lives and

[4:18:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we have to find that balance somehow in a compassionate and environmentally um sensitive

[4:18:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): way so um i didn't expect all this kind of work i thought it's interpreting guidelines and it makes

[4:18:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): make the checklist and do this but um if this is this is a difficult job and i want to thank you

[4:19:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for laying out how and why you made that decision i i honestly couldn't disagree with a sentence

[4:19:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that you just said

[4:19:06] Voice 31: well for myself i mean i moved here about 42 years ago and to you know to a quiet

[4:19:15] Voice 31: rural setting and that's what i was really looking for when i left vancouver i mean i lived 25 years

[4:19:20] Voice 31: in Vancouver, and then came here. It's changed, you know, and I think that's one of the challenges

[4:19:29] Voice 31: in being on an island in the Islands Trust, is that there is that pressure around us, all of

[4:19:36] Voice 31: the population, and there is a migration. People are leaving the cities because of what cities are

[4:19:41] Voice 31: like, but there's a cost to that as well. You know, we're feeling the pressure that, you know,

[4:19:46] Voice 31: i struggle with people who buy a summer home you know build something and sits there empty

[4:19:54] Voice 31: it's such a waste of time if you know if you're going to be part of a community you should live

[4:19:58] Voice 31: there you know not just by this real estate is a real problem in my view and that way uh

[4:20:05] Voice 31: the islands definitely changed a lot over the last 40 years you know i used to be able to

[4:20:10] Voice 31: you know you walked wherever you went you you've seen the person before you know there was a

[4:20:16] Voice 31: familiarity is what I call the familiar stranger. You may not know him. You may not never, you see

[4:20:22] Voice 31: them once or twice after time, there's a, there's a, there's an calmness that occurs because there's

[4:20:28] Voice 31: a stability in the, in the, in the community. What's happening now I see is that it just keeps

[4:20:34] Voice 31: growing, growing, growing. We say 4,000, the census, the health and wellness collaboratives

[4:20:40] Voice 31: Just through the MSP, it says there's 4,400 people on the island.

[4:20:46] Voice 31: So we don't really know how many people live on the island.

[4:20:49] Voice 31: There's a lot of, you know, there's illegal suites around legal.

[4:20:51] Voice 31: There's a lot of people.

[4:20:52] Voice 31: What are we going to look like in 10, 20 years from now?

[4:20:57] Voice 31: What will it be like?

[4:20:58] Voice 31: And that's where I struggle with development on the island.

[4:21:05] Voice 31: To me, I would like it to be really gradual, slow.

[4:21:08] Voice 31: It's going to change.

[4:21:09] Voice 31: I mean, people are going to move, but if we can somehow, as a trust policy statement, manage carefully and if necessary, limit.

[4:21:18] Voice 31: I mean, there is a finite area, the island.

[4:21:21] Voice 31: We've got the water boundary, and I really would like to see less change that's happening now.

[4:21:30] Voice 31: Part of the struggle I have is that amenities, you know, the human amenities that we create, it's great,

[4:21:39] Voice 31: rate, but it also has the downside to it. You facilitate things, you draw, it draws

[4:21:44] Voice 31: more people. You know, you, we, when I first moved here, there was one doctor and one little

[4:21:52] Voice 31: corner grocery store. You went to Nanaimo anything big, you just, you managed, you did

[4:21:58] Voice 31: what you could. We now have a health clinic and it's great. And you know, this reports

[4:22:03] Voice 31: about other people saying, or Alberta,

[4:22:06] Voice 31: I've heard say, if there's a medical clinic,

[4:22:09] Voice 31: it's a real draw.

[4:22:11] Voice 31: So we draw more people into more amenities we provide.

[4:22:14] Voice 31: And that's, I don't know, I would like a simpler life.

[4:22:18] Voice 31: And that's sort of my mindset around this.

[4:22:22] Voice 31: Yeah, but you know, affordable housing, I agree.

[4:22:25] Voice 31: There's a need for affordable housing,

[4:22:28] Voice 31: how it's provided and there are options.

[4:22:31] Voice 31: I mean, I really like the idea of a co-op, you know,

[4:22:37] Voice 31: because it's a middle ground between rental and ownership.

[4:22:42] Voice 31: You've got, you know, you have that perpetuity, well, not perpetuity,

[4:22:47] Voice 31: but to me, that's an area that should be explored.

[4:22:51] Voice 31: Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent.

[4:22:53] Voice 31: No,

[4:22:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): no, it's a good tangent.

[4:22:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So

[4:22:54] Voice 31: that's where I'm coming from.

[4:22:57] Voice 31: So I do have a concern.

[4:22:59] Voice 31: And I looked at that lot, you know, like I walked around the school side and that, the water down below, you know, beautiful lot.

[4:23:11] Voice 31: And I suffered a loss of that, to be quite honest.

[4:23:16] Voice 31: Affordable housing, yes, I believe that.

[4:23:20] Voice 31: But when we have a concept, when you put it into reality, you need to look at where it's going.

[4:23:26] Voice 31: Where is it situated?

[4:23:28] Voice 31: What's its situation?

[4:23:29] Voice 31: And that's a fact that you have to take into account.

[4:23:32] Voice 31: And I think often when we, and this is, I don't see First Nations being like that, but

[4:23:40] Voice 31: I see us settlers, when we move on to land, we look at the land as to how do I change

[4:23:47] Voice 31: it to fit what I need, as opposed to moving into the land and how can you insinuate yourself

[4:23:52] Voice 31: in a way that protects and preserves the land.

[4:23:56] Voice 31: Because, I mean, humans are going to change the land.

[4:24:00] Voice 31: When you buy land, you're going to do something to it.

[4:24:02] Voice 31: You're going to change it.

[4:24:02] Voice 31: It's what you do when you move on to the land.

[4:24:07] Voice 31: And it's a hard one because we see land as a commodity,

[4:24:11] Voice 31: not as what First Nations said, their relationship with land

[4:24:14] Voice 31: is because they are part of the land.

[4:24:16] Voice 31: They're part of the ecosystem.

[4:24:17] Voice 31: They don't see the distinction.

[4:24:20] Voice 31: Anyway, sorry.

[4:24:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay.

[4:24:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Well, that was beautiful.

[4:24:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and i think i think you know that the the part i want to kind of bring this back to is that

[4:24:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): what you're talking about is a long-term connection to place and and and a character

[4:24:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and something that this group of people have built together right there's a lot of people who

[4:24:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): let's say you're i'm riding my bike and i fall off and i hit my head and i go on disability and

[4:24:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i go through all these life changes and i can no longer afford to pay what i paid before

[4:24:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): suddenly i'm faced with a choice where i have to move away from my grandparents

[4:24:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): or move away from my friends and my community because i can't afford to stay somewhere and

[4:24:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): then i can't i can't make that connection to place that long-term connection to place

[4:25:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and so this this to me is about we know how many illegal drawings i heard number 210 i think it's

[4:25:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i think it's larger than that how many people are living here in conditions that aren't safe

[4:25:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and secure and so this provides a bit of a ladder up to something for people who do want exactly

[4:25:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): what you're talking about and the conditions that we live under in these in real estate and

[4:25:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): development everything else don't allow that to happen and so and it's just a it's it's I don't

[4:25:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): see many other pieces if you look at the OCP and the conditions for this and you look at the lots

[4:25:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and you look at the space, this isn't going to be something that happens here, here, there, and everywhere, right?

[4:25:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It's very, the way this works right now with this zone, and especially since it's site-specific,

[4:25:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there's not a lot of other places to do this.

[4:25:55] Voice 31: Anyway,

[4:25:56] Trustee Rogers: sorry, I'm not trying to cut you off, but if you're ready,

[4:25:58] Trustee Rogers: we have a motion that's been seconded if you're ready to take a vote on it.

[4:26:03] Voice 31: Yeah, I'm prepared.

[4:26:07] Voice 31: The motion, sorry, I've lost track of where we're at.

[4:26:10] Voice 31: This

[4:26:10] Trustee Rogers: is to give third reading to 306 as amended.

[4:26:13] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[4:26:15] Trustee Rogers: That's where we were at.

[4:26:16] Trustee Rogers: So that's been moved.

[4:26:18] Trustee Rogers: If there's anything further to say, please say it.

[4:26:21] Trustee Rogers: Otherwise, I'm going to call the vote.

[4:26:23] Trustee Rogers: So all in favor.

[4:26:28] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[4:26:29] Trustee Rogers: So that passes.

[4:26:30] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Langeras, you didn't vote.

[4:26:32] Trustee Rogers: Do you want your vote recorded as a no?

[4:26:37] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[4:26:38] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[4:26:39] Trustee Rogers: I assume that's based on your amendments from before.

[4:26:43] Trustee Rogers: or your view of how the affordable housing process should work yeah yeah okay

[4:26:47] Voice 10: so that's awesome um

[4:26:49] Trustee Rogers: and and then the next motion uh is proposed in the list do you want to make that trustee colburn

[4:26:54] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[4:26:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that gabriel island local trust committee bylaw number 306 is gabriel island official

[4:26:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): community plan gabriola bylaw 1997 amendment number 1 2020 before did the secretary of the

[4:27:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): island's trust for approval by the executive committee did

[4:27:08] Trustee Rogers: you put as amended in there i

[4:27:09] Trustee Rogers: I didn't hear it.

[4:27:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): No, I keep forgetting that.

[4:27:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So Amendment No. 1, 2020, as amended,

[4:27:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval by the executive.

[4:27:18] Trustee Rogers: And I saw Trustee Langeris put his hand up to second it.

[4:27:22] Trustee Rogers: Is there any further discussion?

[4:27:23] Trustee Rogers: Does anybody want to say anything?

[4:27:25] Voice 31: Actually, I do.

[4:27:26] Voice 31: I'm in a bit of an awkward position because I can't vote for the OCP,

[4:27:32] Voice 31: and the LUB is dependent on the OCP.

[4:27:35] Voice 31: it's the other thing is that i've gone through the lub and thought about what the changes are

[4:27:44] Voice 31: occurring and there are things that i had wanted in that aren't in there you know and i'm not going

[4:27:50] Voice 31: to go through the past motions that didn't occur but so i'm okay we're just talking about

[4:28:01] Trustee Rogers: forwarding sorry we're still in the ocp we're referring it to the executive oh

[4:28:06] Voice 31: sorry oh sorry

[4:28:07] Voice 31: I thought you were talking about the LUB.

[4:28:09] Trustee Rogers: We'll come to 307 in a moment.

[4:28:11] Voice 31: Okay.

[4:28:12] Trustee Rogers: This is about forwarding it to the Secretary for approval by the Executive Committee.

[4:28:19] Trustee Rogers: I

[4:28:20] Voice 31: don't understand my position there.

[4:28:21] Voice 31: If I vote no, then

[4:28:23] Trustee Rogers: it's a bit awkward.

[4:28:26] Trustee Rogers: It is a bit awkward, but you can vote no again.

[4:28:32] Trustee Rogers: It just seems odd.

[4:28:34] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[4:28:35] Voice 31: Yeah.

[4:28:36] Voice 31: Okay, I'm finished.

[4:28:37] Voice 31: Okay,

[4:28:38] Trustee Rogers: so all in favor?

[4:28:41] Trustee Rogers: Okay, again, that passes with Trustee Laniere voting no.

[4:28:45] Trustee Rogers: And then there's a third motion.

[4:28:47] Trustee Rogers: For

[4:28:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Bylaw No. 306 of the OCP, that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee forward Bylaw No. 306

[4:28:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): cited as Gabriel Island Official Community Plan, Gabriola Bylaw 1997, Amendment No. 1, 2020,

[4:29:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): as amended to the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing for approval.

[4:29:04] Trustee Rogers: Right, so I'll forward, I'll second that too.

[4:29:08] Trustee Rogers: So Mr. Trustee Langeris isn't in the position of having to do that.

[4:29:11] Voice 31: Oh, no, I was happy to second it.

[4:29:13] Voice 31: No,

[4:29:13] Trustee Rogers: I know you were, but I did it anyway.

[4:29:16] Trustee Rogers: Anyway, any further discussion about sending it to the minister?

[4:29:19] Trustee Rogers: That's where I was.

[4:29:19] Trustee Rogers: And just for members of watching, OCP amendments have to go to the minister for approval.

[4:29:26] Trustee Rogers: Land use bylaws do not.

[4:29:28] Trustee Rogers: But they both have to go to the executive committee for approval.

[4:29:33] Trustee Rogers: And in fact, I think it's on the agenda for next Wednesday.

[4:29:38] Trustee Rogers: interestingly so um i saw it on the the draft agenda on wednesday uh if there's no further

[4:29:45] Trustee Rogers: discussion i'll call the vote on that and that passes again trustee lane here so let's go to

[4:29:50] Trustee Rogers: bylaw number 307 okay so this

[4:29:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is the land use bylaws that gabriel island local trust committee

[4:29:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): bylaw number 307 says it's gabriel island

[4:30:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): land use bylaw 1999 amendment number one 2020 as amended be read a third time okay

[4:30:07] Trustee Rogers: so that's been

[4:30:09] Trustee Rogers: seconded by trustee like this yeah eddie i've said everything i intend to say does either of you want

[4:30:15] Trustee Rogers: to speak any more about the land use bylaw well

[4:30:17] Voice 31: i was sort of talking about it the last time

[4:30:19] Voice 31: not realizing where i

[4:30:20] Voice 31: was at but uh uh yeah i mean i still have a struggle with the fact that

[4:30:26] Voice 31: that there's no cisterns required in the land use bylaw.

[4:30:30] Voice 31: We did it for the Sitka Spruce land use bylaw,

[4:30:34] Voice 31: they were required to have a cistern

[4:30:37] Voice 31: and this is on 25 lots over a much larger area.

[4:30:42] Voice 31: And we're relying on the proponent to do it.

[4:30:51] Voice 31: And to me, it was a simple thing to just to put it

[4:30:54] Voice 31: into the into the LUV to make it make it a certainty rather than a potential that's it was

[4:31:01] Voice 31: some of the struggles I had with the LUV um it's yeah the cisterns um do

[4:31:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you mean rainwater

[4:31:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): can I just speak do

[4:31:13] Voice 31: you mean rainwater collection

[4:31:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): like time okay yeah

[4:31:16] Voice 31: and and yeah the potable water

[4:31:19] Voice 31: you know rainwater collection I mean

[4:31:20] Voice 31: that's something that will William Shulba said is that

[4:31:23] Voice 31: that recommended we should be doing rainwater catchment for potable water.

[4:31:27] Voice 31: I mean, that's the long-term thing.

[4:31:30] Voice 31: Now, this is one of the problems, I think, from what I've been heard,

[4:31:35] Voice 31: is that BC Housing won't provide funding for the roof for rainwater catchment,

[4:31:41] Voice 31: which is really because it's an urban mindset.

[4:31:44] Voice 31: They don't think in terms of it, and that's the problem with the funder,

[4:31:48] Voice 31: And it's very frustrating that we're being faced with an urban approach in a rural area.

[4:31:55] Voice 31: I mean, so anyway, that's my issue.

[4:31:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, I agree.

[4:32:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): The problem with this is like you're trying to, we're in this stage where it's like they're still working out how to do a lot of collection for commercial and multifamily.

[4:32:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): We're not there at the senior levels of government.

[4:32:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So we can't just go in and say, hey, you have to do this even though other levels of government haven't set it up yet.

[4:32:15] Voice 17: It

[4:32:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is frustrating from a BC housing point of view.

[4:32:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on the upside i'm not going to get into visual politics but on the upside

[4:32:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): actually funding bc

[4:32:23] Voice 31: yeah the other one is that the dp11 i think you know is is a strong move

[4:32:30] Voice 31: it doesn't it doesn't protect like the 50 percent

[4:32:35] Voice 17: it

[4:32:37] Voice 31: it limits it it requires a development permit

[4:32:41] Voice 31: and so it's it's

[4:32:43] Voice 31: a step in the right direction i think but it's not to me it wasn't i would

[4:32:48] Voice 31: have preferred to have seen something more specific about the 50 protection that be left

[4:32:53] Voice 31: untouched but anyway that's that's water under the bridge but it does it does affect me the loss of

[4:33:00] Voice 31: the force yeah that's that's that's a tough one for me and it just hasn't been an easy decision

[4:33:07] Voice 31: because you know to come to this and i did not make a decision i just stuck to you know and

[4:33:13] Voice 31: And actually part of the problem may have been that I so focused in on the

[4:33:17] Voice 31: bylaws, the wording of the bylaws.

[4:33:20] Voice 31: And I know I tend to go that way and I should probably step back from that.

[4:33:23] Voice 31: That's earlier in the game and started formulating.

[4:33:27] Voice 31: What did I think about the other aspects, but, you know,

[4:33:30] Voice 31: as opposed to just making sure the bylaw reflected what the proponent was

[4:33:34] Voice 31: asking, asking for.

[4:33:36] Voice 31: And that was my large objective was to say, what are they asking for?

[4:33:40] Voice 31: What did the bylaws do?

[4:33:41] Voice 31: And do they mirror one another?

[4:33:43] Voice 31: So anyway, that's it.

[4:33:45] Voice 31: I won't say anything more.

[4:33:47] Trustee Rogers: I

[4:33:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): understand those feelings.

[4:33:49] Trustee Rogers: Did we make the motion?

[4:33:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): We did.

[4:33:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): The

[4:33:52] Trustee Rogers: motion is in, yeah.

[4:33:53] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[4:33:54] Trustee Rogers: So do you want to say anything further, Trustee Colbert?

[4:33:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): No, no, I agree.

[4:33:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I just don't think we're in a position to be forcing an approach on a proponent where the funder

[4:34:08] Voice 17: doesn't

[4:34:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): give them the –

[4:34:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): But I also, I've learned that greywater is,

[4:34:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's really one of the biggest pieces of learning for me in this

[4:34:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is that the greywater use really does lower the impact

[4:34:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on the water table and aquifer.

[4:34:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So I was impressed.

[4:34:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And I really value having a freshwater specialist

[4:34:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): with the Islands Trust to provide that, you know,

[4:34:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): secondary, you know, somewhat independent overview.

[4:34:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And I really found William Schoble's directions

[4:34:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and the monitoring and everything, this is a much stronger regulatory regime that we're able to enact here

[4:34:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because of having that scientific ability within the trust to really study and engage the reports

[4:34:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that we have to rely on, in my case, an English literature major, wouldn't really do me a lot of good.

[4:35:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): But yeah, I do. I mean, I think in two years or a year, you'll be able to do that rainwater collection

[4:35:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because that'll be more tied into the provincial system as well okay

[4:35:14] Trustee Rogers: so if that's all the

[4:35:15] Trustee Rogers: conversation on that motion i'm going to call the vote so all in favor of that motion to that 307

[4:35:23] Trustee Rogers: and once again trustee langaris you wish your vote recorded and for the reasons that you've given

[4:35:29] Trustee Rogers: yeah yeah and then there's a last motion on 307 uh trustee colden yeah

[4:35:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the gibral island local

[4:35:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): trust committee bylaw number 307 slated as gabriel island land use bylaw 1999 amendment number one

[4:35:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): 2020 before to the secretary of the islands secretary of the islands trust um as amended

[4:35:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): before did the secretary islands trust for approval by the executive committee okay so

[4:35:52] Trustee Rogers: seconded by trustee langaris is there any further discussion about that issue not all in favor so

[4:35:59] Trustee Rogers: So, again, that passes by Trustee Colburn and Trustee Langer.

[4:36:03] Trustee Rogers: So, gentlemen, I believe unless somebody has something further they wish to do today, I have no further business.

[4:36:12] Trustee Rogers: The agenda is complete.

[4:36:15] Trustee Rogers: So, does anybody have anything further?

[4:36:16] Trustee Rogers: Nothing from you, Trustee Langer?

[4:36:18] Voice 31: No, I just wanted to thank everybody and all of the people that participated.

[4:36:22] Voice 31: And it's been quite a learning experience getting all of that feedback, some of it in a very short timeframe.

[4:36:29] Voice 31: Which can be overwhelming at times.

[4:36:31] Voice 31: You know, as you mentioned earlier, early on, it was fairly quiet.

[4:36:37] Voice 31: And then it's crescendoed, you know, starting about September, I guess, it started ramping up.

[4:36:43] Voice 17: Yeah.

[4:36:43] Voice 17: I

[4:36:44] Voice 31: guess you just never know, you know, never know how it's going to go.

[4:36:48] Voice 31: But anyway, I appreciate everybody's input.

[4:36:51] Voice 31: And I appreciate your views.

[4:36:52] Voice 31: You know, we don't always agree.

[4:36:54] Voice 31: And that's part of life and part of reality.

[4:36:57] Voice 31: We see things differently.

[4:36:58] Voice 31: differently i

[4:36:59] Trustee Rogers: i don't think we we disagree on a few fundamentals that caused you to vote against

[4:37:03] Trustee Rogers: i think in general i think if we if we there were a few things that you would have liked to see done

[4:37:08] Trustee Rogers: differently we're glad you can support the application and fair enough yeah so thank you

[4:37:13] Trustee Rogers: again to uh so trustee colburn any last words before i no

[4:37:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just deep gratitude to the staff

[4:37:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the administration staff they're you know getting all this stuff um done i've really learned a lot

[4:37:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and Planner Jamie Dubinia, just amazing work.

[4:37:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And I've learned so much from both of you,

[4:37:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Trustee Longeris and Chair Rogers as well.

[4:37:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It's been a really difficult, but educational experience.

[4:37:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Same for me.

[4:37:37] Voice 31: I learned from you as well.

[4:37:39] Voice 31: And I have to say, Jamie, that you've done an admirable job.

[4:37:43] Voice 31: You've been under a lot of pressure

[4:37:44] Voice 31: because we have pushed it along quite a bit.

[4:37:47] Voice 31: Yes, we have.

[4:37:48] Voice 31: And we can say it, you know, we need this done.

[4:37:51] Voice 31: You guys have to do it, you know, a large part of it.

[4:37:55] Voice 31: so yeah and

[4:37:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i think a lot of the energy can now go into this this project in january 23 if you've

[4:38:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): got opinions about what happened today or what you learned or what you heard please get involved in a

[4:38:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): respectful way with with um the process of talking as a community about where we will be in 20 years

[4:38:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah

[4:38:11] Trustee Rogers: yeah so just two things the comments i'll make one is as i said i believe this um application

[4:38:17] Trustee Rogers: this these bylaws will be on the executive committee for wednesday if uh if staff can get

[4:38:23] Trustee Rogers: the report to us in time for us to consider approval by the executive uh the second thing

[4:38:30] Trustee Rogers: is our next uh our regular meeting of the local trust communities on the 21st of january um which

[4:38:37] Trustee Rogers: is and i believe it's probably a 10 30 start i actually haven't looked at it yet but i assume

[4:38:41] Trustee Rogers: it's a 10 30 start on uh january 21st where we'll move on uh well we may have some of this on the

[4:38:49] Trustee Rogers: the agenda, depending on where the affordable housing

[4:38:53] Trustee Rogers: bylaw review is.

[4:38:55] Trustee Rogers: And we'll have other interesting discussions

[4:39:00] Trustee Rogers: for getting other applications on the island.

[4:39:02] Trustee Rogers: So we look forward to seeing everyone.

[4:39:05] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[4:39:05] Trustee Rogers: We still have 19 attendees.

[4:39:07] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much for everyone for sticking in.

[4:39:10] Trustee Rogers: And other than that, I think I'll call the meeting when end.

[4:39:14] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Nadine.

[4:39:15] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[4:39:15] Voice 31: Okay.

[4:39:16] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Will.

[4:39:17] Trustee Rogers: Take all.

[4:39:18] Voice 31: Thank you, everybody.

[4:39:19] Voice 31: Take care.

[4:39:21] Voice 31: Bye.