Mayne Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, January 18, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Rogers: main island local trust committee and it's it's going to be a little bit different than many of our meetings in the sense that

[0:00:07] Trustee Rogers: Is that we are going to have a discussion with members of the community with you the members of the community

[0:00:14] Trustee Rogers: regarding our

[0:00:15] Trustee Rogers: Report and work that we're doing in the local trust committee as our project regarding housing options

[0:00:22] Trustee Rogers: Want to

[0:00:24] Trustee Rogers: introduce people you're going to see on your screen at this present and perhaps we'll see

[0:00:29] Trustee Rogers: you a little bit later. We're joined by our two local trustees of course, Trustee David Maud and

[0:00:34] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Janine Dodds. Nice to see you again. Happy New Year. It's the first time I've seen both of

[0:00:40] Trustee Rogers: you since the holidays. We are also joined by Planner Nerissa Chadwick who will be doing a

[0:00:47] Trustee Rogers: presentation later today and uh as well i see that the regional planning manager um robert

[0:00:53] Trustee Rogers: kojima has joined us may or may not join the conversation but is interested to monitor it

[0:00:58] Trustee Rogers: uh you'll see maple hung who is doing the uh the technology behind the scenes and making this all

[0:01:04] Trustee Rogers: happen and uh so thank you maple for your work we may you may hear me speak to maple as we go along

[0:01:11] Trustee Rogers: long. We also have Lauren Edwards with us who is doing the minutes. Thank you Lauren and she'll be

[0:01:20] Trustee Rogers: taking minutes of the meeting. So just a few things as you know this we are continuing to operate by

[0:01:28] Trustee Rogers: way of electronic zoom meetings under orders of public health emergency that's been declared in

[0:01:36] Trustee Rogers: British Columbia and under our bylaws and the way that we've set up our our um situation to

[0:01:43] Trustee Rogers: carry on sorry I'm just going to turn my phone off and uh um so we're we've been doing this now

[0:01:52] Trustee Rogers: for goodness 10 months um but uh you know we continue to have glitches so we ask everybody

[0:01:59] Trustee Rogers: to be patient with us. We will continue to try and handle any technology issues that may arise

[0:02:09] Trustee Rogers: as we go along, but thank you for joining us. Again, as this is a public space for all of us

[0:02:15] Trustee Rogers: and a workplace for many people, we ask you to be respectful and courteous in your conversations.

[0:02:20] Trustee Rogers: As I've said before, that's my experience on Maine Island, and I'm quite certain that that

[0:02:25] Trustee Rogers: will continue again today. So before, just a couple of things. We have an agenda before us.

[0:02:36] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything to add to the agenda from either of the trustees before we get started? No.

[0:02:42] Trustee Rogers: We'll take the approval of the agenda. But just for members of the who have joined us,

[0:02:48] Trustee Rogers: and thank you, I see now we have 17 attendees. What we're going to do is we're going to first

[0:02:55] Trustee Rogers: of all have a staff presentation to give from Narissa Planner Chadwick to give us some context

[0:03:01] Trustee Rogers: as to this project that we're working on. I just want to say before we start the discussion and

[0:03:09] Trustee Rogers: before this project I want to be clear that our discussion today is not focused on what is

[0:03:13] Trustee Rogers: currently an application before us regarding an affordable housing project and that's not

[0:03:18] Trustee Rogers: really part of our discussion today. Our discussion is around our project which is the

[0:03:24] Trustee Rogers: at a local trust committee project,

[0:03:26] Trustee Rogers: an initiative around looking at housing options

[0:03:30] Trustee Rogers: and housing review for the Island.

[0:03:34] Trustee Rogers: And I am quite sure that both trustees

[0:03:37] Trustee Rogers: will have an opportunity to speak to the issue as well.

[0:03:41] Trustee Rogers: So it would be best if we did not veer

[0:03:44] Trustee Rogers: into the application that is before us,

[0:03:48] Trustee Rogers: before the local trust committee,

[0:03:49] Trustee Rogers: it's not on our agenda today,

[0:03:51] Trustee Rogers: and but rather to stick to the topic of the of the various options for the island and main

[0:03:59] Trustee Rogers: and main island going forward there will be plenty of opportunity to speak to other to the actual

[0:04:06] Trustee Rogers: application itself as it proceeds forward um assuming it does and uh so but so let's talk

[0:04:13] Trustee Rogers: about the main topic, which is our project on asthma.

[0:04:21] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to move on to the agenda

[0:04:24] Trustee Rogers: and we're going to start with Planner Chadwick

[0:04:27] Trustee Rogers: who has a presentation.

[0:04:29] Trustee Rogers: And I think you've got your technology all worked out

[0:04:31] Trustee Rogers: and we're gonna listen to Planner Chadwick for a while.

[0:04:35] Trustee Rogers: When we get to the town hall,

[0:04:37] Trustee Rogers: we'll have an opportunity to listen, of course, to you.

[0:04:39] Trustee Rogers: It's just a mute.

[0:04:45] Voice 16: Okay, so can everybody see my screen? Yeah, and you can hear me? Sorry, there's a bit of

[0:04:52] Voice 16: background noise. Hopefully that will not exist through the whole presentation. So my purpose

[0:05:01] Voice 16: here is just to provide a bit of background. And so what I'm presenting to you is actually

[0:05:05] Voice 16: gleaned from a number of staff reports that have been presented to the LTC over the course of the

[0:05:14] Voice 16: the last year um and again the the back uh prior to sort of starting to focus in on on on looking

[0:05:22] Voice 16: at options um there was a a housing regulation policy review report that was done um about a

[0:05:30] Voice 16: year and a half ago by a colleague of mine um and that's also available all of that information

[0:05:35] Voice 16: that report plus the subsequent staff reports are all available on the project website so

[0:05:41] Voice 16: So if you want to have a look at that for further details, all the information is there.

[0:05:47] Voice 16: So what I'll be presenting to you just quickly in this overview is looking at what we're calling flexible housing.

[0:05:57] Voice 16: So that's sort of where we've arrived at in discussions about looking at housing options is this idea of flexible housing.

[0:06:06] Voice 16: I'll just identify a few issues and opportunities that have come up through the process.

[0:06:11] Voice 16: um uh some of the options that have been identified um and then focus in on on what

[0:06:16] Voice 16: what the one of the focus option um that was elaborated on um in in uh the last two staff

[0:06:24] Voice 16: reports and then uh there's a number of questions that have sort of emerged out of the process uh

[0:06:29] Voice 16: and and and discussions and research and those are uh i've got i'll identify what those questions are

[0:06:36] Voice 16: and those will hopefully provide some of the sort of grounding for the discussion.

[0:06:44] Voice 16: So I'll move into the presentation here.

[0:06:47] Voice 16: So talking about flexible housing.

[0:06:49] Voice 16: So what we're talking about is housing that's not limited to a single focus.

[0:06:54] Voice 16: So it's not seniors housing and it's not multi-unit housing in the traditional sense.

[0:07:01] Voice 16: it's housing that can address a number of needs without rezoning government funding or subsidies

[0:07:09] Voice 16: it's housing that can facilitate individual households sharing costs to purchase a single lot

[0:07:15] Voice 16: while being able to live in separate dwellings so that could apply to friends or families or

[0:07:21] Voice 16: what have you it's housing that can facilitate more rental availability on the island

[0:07:25] Voice 16: and also that can facilitate potential supportive living arrangements where you may be able to have

[0:07:33] Voice 16: a caregiver living in a separate unit on a lot with a senior, for example. And what's very

[0:07:43] Voice 16: important, and that's been brought up many times in the course of this discussion, is that we want

[0:07:49] Voice 16: to find housing solutions that don't increase overall development footprint. So I pulled a few

[0:07:56] Voice 16: statistics out of the housing review report just to kind of give you a picture of what we're looking

[0:08:00] Voice 16: at for Maine. So you can see we've got five, there's 517 residents, 43% of the population

[0:08:14] Voice 16: of permanent residents. Of those, the majority are owners of their homes. There's a small

[0:08:23] Voice 16: percentage of renters. 75% of the population is over 50. That gives you a good sense of

[0:08:29] Voice 16: demographic there. There are no permanent residents that are living in apartments or duplexes or

[0:08:36] Voice 16: semi-detached homes. And the median income is just under $50,000, which is under the median income

[0:08:44] Voice 16: for BC. So that kind of gives you a sort of a sense of what we're looking at. Some of the other

[0:08:50] Voice 16: issues that have been identified related to housing on the island are that the cost of

[0:08:56] Voice 16: land is increasing as is the cost to build and quite substantially over the last few years.

[0:09:03] Voice 16: There are many seniors that are wanting to downsize but they're unable to because they're

[0:09:08] Voice 16: not there aren't options that they're seeing available to them and young families and singles

[0:09:15] Voice 16: are finding it more and more difficult to find a housing that they can afford on the island.

[0:09:23] Voice 16: In terms of the land use bylaw, there are some limitations. The limitations that have been

[0:09:29] Voice 16: identified to sort of more flexibility on individual lots are the fact that the smaller

[0:09:37] Voice 16: lots, so the lots under 0.6 hectares, are not permitted to have a cottage. They're only

[0:09:43] Voice 16: permitted to have one dwelling so you know we're focusing here on kind of the uh the more affordable

[0:09:48] Voice 16: lots um there are restrictions on the size of cottages and the size of of secondary suites so

[0:09:55] Voice 16: they're really being looked at as um as uh secondary to the the main dwelling and and and

[0:10:02] Voice 16: not in in terms of another dwelling specifically um and that only one secondary suite or cottage

[0:10:10] Voice 16: or one cottage can be construction constructed on parcels that are are less than um two acres

[0:10:17] Voice 16: or two hackers sorry um there are are in terms of opportunities that the ocp does um support

[0:10:26] Voice 16: a diversity of housing um and there is this sort of movement or interest uh in smaller home living

[0:10:36] Voice 16: And that's something that exists throughout BC and also within the trust area.

[0:10:44] Voice 16: Other considerations, again, one of the key ones that have been brought up throughout this process is the importance of environmental protection.

[0:10:51] Voice 16: So this importance of we don't want to be increasing footprint and increasing impact on the environment.

[0:10:58] Voice 16: And smart growth is a principle that's in the policy that's in the OCP.

[0:11:04] Voice 16: and that's really speaking to looking at development being developed in sort of more

[0:11:12] Voice 16: more clustered development with access to sort of the central area and amenities.

[0:11:20] Voice 16: So some of these are the options that came out in the original the housing regulations and policy

[0:11:28] Voice 16: review. So they included allowing secondary suites on all residential lots. Right now there are only

[0:11:36] Voice 16: they're not allowed on areas that are connected to water services allowing secondary suites on

[0:11:43] Voice 16: smaller lots that have a cottage as I identified before some of those smaller lots are only allowed

[0:11:50] Voice 16: to have a cottage or a secondary suite permitting larger cottages and secondary suites as I as I

[0:11:57] Voice 16: mentioned before that's also there are limits on the size of those permitting tiny homes in

[0:12:03] Voice 16: in addition to secondary suites and cottages.

[0:12:06] Voice 16: So that's essentially allowing another dwelling.

[0:12:09] Voice 16: And then this option,

[0:12:11] Voice 16: which kind of addresses most of the options above

[0:12:15] Voice 16: is the idea of establishing a maximum floor area

[0:12:19] Voice 16: on all dwelling units with the flexibility

[0:12:23] Voice 16: of that floor area to be distributed

[0:12:27] Voice 16: amongst a number of units.

[0:12:29] Voice 16: units and so that's the that's the um the option that uh that the uh trustees have have um have

[0:12:38] Voice 16: sort of moved in on move forward to focus a bit on and um and hoping we can have a bit of discussion

[0:12:44] Voice 16: around that specific option and other other potential options um that uh that may exist

[0:12:49] Voice 16: so um so this focus option is basically supporting what currently exists so allowing one dwelling

[0:12:58] Voice 16: with no maximum floor area and retaining the ability to have a cottage or a secondary suite

[0:13:04] Voice 16: so that's what we've currently got and so the the additional piece here with this option would be

[0:13:10] Voice 16: establishing the regulation that would permit an additional dwelling additional dwelling units if

[0:13:15] Voice 16: the the total maximum floor area is not exceeded so putting a limit on that that floor area but

[0:13:22] Voice 16: but allowing more dwellings.

[0:13:27] Voice 16: So here's what's currently permitted illustrated

[0:13:31] Voice 16: for those of us that are more visual.

[0:13:35] Voice 16: So you can see here, like currently,

[0:13:37] Voice 16: and what we're looking at is the settlement residential zone

[0:13:40] Voice 16: specifically focused here.

[0:13:42] Voice 16: And that's where the smaller lots are.

[0:13:44] Voice 16: And again, that's where there's smaller lots.

[0:13:47] Voice 16: So the potential for more affordability is.

[0:13:50] Voice 16: is um so on those lots where that are uh larger than uh 0.6 hectares that's 1.5 acres uh currently

[0:14:01] Voice 16: what's allowed is a a larger dwelling and um and a cottage and then in all of all of the uh the lots

[0:14:11] Voice 16: in the settlement residential area that are not within the water service areas they are allowed

[0:14:16] Voice 16: to have a secondary suite so you are allowed to have essentially two dwellings. So here's

[0:14:22] Voice 16: what the option would facilitate the option that we're looking at here. So that would permit a

[0:14:31] Voice 16: certain amount of total square footage so all of these buildings would have to amount to an

[0:14:37] Voice 16: an identified square footage. And what could potentially happen is you're allowed to have

[0:14:48] Voice 16: up to three on the larger lots that are larger than 0.6. You're allowed to have up to three,

[0:14:58] Voice 16: and they could be of similar size, they could be of different sizes, as long as they're all

[0:15:02] Voice 16: all together, their total square footage is going to be a certain amount of number.

[0:15:09] Voice 16: You could allow on the smaller lots, you could still allow the secondary suite and allow an

[0:15:16] Voice 16: additional building. And this one is just illustrating the fact that you're not limiting

[0:15:24] Voice 16: the size of that additional building. As it is now, right now, where you're allowed a cottage,

[0:15:31] Voice 16: the cottage has a specific square footage, but in this case you would have that total amount that

[0:15:37] Voice 16: can be distributed in whatever way. So say that total amount is whatever, 3,000 square meters,

[0:15:48] Voice 16: you have 1,500 square meters and 1,500 square meters, so you have 2,000 square meters in one

[0:15:52] Voice 16: and a thousand in the other. There's the opportunity to, so we're just focusing on

[0:16:04] Voice 16: settlement residential because it's, again, it's because it's, that's where the most of

[0:16:10] Voice 16: the affordability is because they are the smaller lots. And also it's easier just to focus on those

[0:16:16] Voice 16: lots to sort of begin with but this idea could be transferred to other zones and and also larger

[0:16:24] Voice 16: lots and in other zones so there's that so currently there is depending on on which

[0:16:34] Voice 16: which zone you're in you are allowed to have a generally in residential larger residential

[0:16:42] Voice 16: residential zones, whether they're rural or rural residential, there are different,

[0:16:52] Voice 16: for certain amounts of land, you are allowed to have a cottage and a residence. So again,

[0:17:01] Voice 16: this idea would allow you to have more density. And you can look at that as, again,

[0:17:08] Voice 16: Again, using that distributed square footage, and it could be outright or you could be allowing that, as well as additional density in return for a covenant being placed on the land so this is some kind of, you know, this is what would be considered

[0:17:29] Voice 16: an amenity for providing a community benefit.

[0:17:32] Voice 16: benefit. So here's the questions that have sort of emerged to date and again we can come

[0:17:40] Voice 16: back and discuss through these questions and identify other questions. The question about

[0:17:47] Voice 16: here should this option be considered where in areas where secondary suites are not permitted

[0:17:54] Voice 16: so in water districts. Should more than two dwellings on the smaller lots and three dwellings

[0:18:03] Voice 16: be considered so basically what's presented there what kind of consideration to be made

[0:18:10] Voice 16: to limit impact on fresh water we already do see some provisions in the land use bylaw around

[0:18:19] Voice 16: secondary streets regarding water catchment so that's something that could be considered

[0:18:23] Voice 16: to be also implemented in this scenario should rental zoning be considered the the province

[0:18:31] Voice 16: does have um now introduced the ability to zone for rental and i did do a bit of inquiring and

[0:18:39] Voice 16: it hasn't it hasn't been implemented in on this on sort of a low lower scale um but it it it could

[0:18:50] Voice 16: be and apparently there are a couple of municipalities that are looking into it should

[0:18:55] Voice 16: we want to look at that? There are a couple of local governments ahead of us so we could learn

[0:19:01] Voice 16: from them. The question of strata ownership has been brought up and it is a possibility.

[0:19:09] Voice 16: There are considerations to be made with that. Experiences in other local governments have

[0:19:16] Voice 16: have identified that that can increase the cost of housing

[0:19:20] Voice 16: if you have a single owners owning,

[0:19:24] Voice 16: wanting to sort of stratify and then selling in.

[0:19:31] Voice 16: The question of maximum floor area will definitely be one

[0:19:34] Voice 16: that would need to be discussed and identified.

[0:19:40] Voice 16: There's the question of limiting floor area in general.

[0:19:48] Voice 16: So that's something that North and South Pender are currently looking at, and we could definitely learn from their process and where they're going with that.

[0:20:01] Voice 16: There is that question of whether we want to just focus on the settlement residential to begin with, and then move to other zones in the future or, you know, as part of this project as well.

[0:20:15] Voice 16: all so there's that question and then um there's a number of considerations um that uh that need to

[0:20:21] Voice 16: be taken into account and and these include the the fact that um rvs shouldn't be part of the

[0:20:26] Voice 16: part of the scenario because uh rvs are not um they're not necessarily healthy living circumstances

[0:20:34] Voice 16: um tiny homes on wheels should not be included because it's just very complicated um in terms of

[0:20:44] Voice 16: of who has jurisdiction over what and allowing

[0:20:47] Voice 16: and what constitutes a tiny home on wheels state

[0:20:55] Voice 16: that there are different standards

[0:20:58] Voice 16: that are beyond our control with respect to those.

[0:21:06] Voice 16: Increasing floor area maximums for secondary suites.

[0:21:08] Voice 16: That seems like it would be a necessary thing

[0:21:13] Voice 16: in this this case and we talked I thought I mentioned the requirement of water catchment

[0:21:17] Voice 16: that will be consideration um and then um and then not allowing these additional dwelling units um to

[0:21:25] Voice 16: be occupied as short-term vacation rentals so those are some of the those are some of the things

[0:21:30] Voice 16: that have been kind of brought up to be considered um and again you know we've got an open discussion

[0:21:35] Voice 16: here to identify potentially some other things so that's that's the overview that I've got I'll

[0:21:40] Voice 16: I'll turn it back over to Chair Rogers.

[0:21:46] Trustee Rogers: Thanks Planner Chadwick, I appreciate that.

[0:21:50] Trustee Rogers: And of course, these are all questions

[0:21:52] Trustee Rogers: they should have perhaps said at the beginning,

[0:21:54] Trustee Rogers: of course, we haven't,

[0:21:57] Trustee Rogers: we're still at the sort of initial discussion stages,

[0:21:59] Trustee Rogers: but there are all those reports.

[0:22:01] Trustee Rogers: There are a number of reports on our page,

[0:22:04] Trustee Rogers: but there's no specific proposal yet.

[0:22:07] Trustee Rogers: And that's what we wanted to have an early conversation

[0:22:10] Trustee Rogers: with the community.

[0:22:10] Trustee Rogers: So thank you all for joining us.

[0:22:13] Trustee Rogers: Before we turn to all of you,

[0:22:15] Trustee Rogers: because we're here to listen

[0:22:16] Trustee Rogers: and have a discussion with you,

[0:22:17] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to turn to the two trustees

[0:22:20] Trustee Rogers: to give their sort of initial views

[0:22:23] Trustee Rogers: and their context of why we're moving forward with this.

[0:22:27] Trustee Rogers: And maybe I'll start, because she's first on my screen,

[0:22:30] Trustee Rogers: I'll turn to Trustee Dodds and see what she has to say.

[0:22:34] Trustee Rogers: Go ahead, Janine.

[0:22:36] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:22:36] Voice 3: Thank you, Nerissa.

[0:22:37] Voice 3: it's been so well laid out all the options that we have to look at it's not a simple process

[0:22:43] Voice 3: um the the pictures make it really clear what some of the the exciting part of what this could

[0:22:49] Voice 3: be in terms of trade-offs but most importantly speaking to the audience out there who i don't

[0:22:55] Voice 3: know who you are but i'm becoming increasingly concerned as we as an island are reaching what

[0:23:01] Voice 3: what I call build out. We do not have a lot of empty lots left over at this point. And as the

[0:23:08] Voice 3: island has been developed over time, and we go through phases where there's heavier development

[0:23:13] Voice 3: than other times, right now we're in a very heavy development phase. So now is the time before the

[0:23:19] Voice 3: remaining lots, perhaps in the next 10 years, my guess is maybe 20, but 10 years, there won't be

[0:23:25] Voice 3: any empty lots left and affordability will be gone. Because the less you have, the higher the

[0:23:30] Voice 3: the price will be for what's there.

[0:23:31] Voice 3: So I'm hoping that we can come to some kind of a community agreement on the

[0:23:36] Voice 3: undeveloped and maybe some of the lots that are due for redevelopment as to a

[0:23:41] Voice 3: way to maybe facilitate and make those properties more affordable,

[0:23:45] Voice 3: more flexible, definitely more rentals,

[0:23:48] Voice 3: some sort of options beyond the one dwelling, one, one,

[0:23:53] Voice 3: one or two residents and, and a whole lot of, of area covered.

[0:23:58] Voice 3: because what we didn't talk about in this conversation was the fact that you can cover

[0:24:04] Voice 3: your lot by 20% in the residential zones. So in some cases, you know, we have we've been lucky,

[0:24:11] Voice 3: we have very few what you would call mega houses, but we are getting some larger houses. And that's

[0:24:17] Voice 3: also changing the nature of our community. So that's somewhat a secondary conversation. But

[0:24:22] Voice 3: the goal for me of this is to look at our remaining lots that are undeveloped or need

[0:24:27] Voice 3: need redeveloping and how do we want those to look 20 years from now really important conversation

[0:24:32] Voice 3: thrilled that we have so many people participating look forward to hearing your ideas so thank you

[0:24:38] Voice 3: very much trustee

[0:24:42] Trustee Rogers: maude would you like to add anything before we open the floor um just beyond

[0:24:46] Voice 15: the certainly want to thank planet chadwick for really really concisely summarizing uh what's

[0:24:52] Voice 15: sort of in a year's work and beyond,

[0:24:55] Voice 15: this is a really important project.

[0:24:58] Voice 15: And we're now at the point where we need the input

[0:25:03] Voice 15: and we sort of, we're seeking some creative solutions

[0:25:08] Voice 15: to as Trustee Dodds outlined is we can see on the horizon

[0:25:13] Voice 15: that there are issues coming and we want to be ahead

[0:25:16] Voice 15: of the issues before they become problems.

[0:25:19] Voice 15: And I think what's been presented here

[0:25:21] Voice 15: in the way of questions and possible scenarios

[0:25:24] Voice 15: that are very good and look forward

[0:25:26] Voice 15: to sort of the feedback and the road forward.

[0:25:29] Voice 15: Thank you.

[0:25:30] Voice 15: Thanks, Trustee Munn.

[0:25:32] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I mean, normally we would all be in a room together

[0:25:35] Trustee Rogers: and we could have a conversation around the room

[0:25:38] Trustee Rogers: and my job here really is to just sort of be

[0:25:42] Trustee Rogers: a bit of a gatekeeper and help with the cohesiveness

[0:25:48] Trustee Rogers: of the discussion and the organization of it.

[0:25:50] Trustee Rogers: but we of course can't be in the room um i should just i just should just say say that um these

[0:25:57] Trustee Rogers: discussions are going on on uh on most of the islands and the islands trust in one form or

[0:26:03] Trustee Rogers: another um regarding housing option and i think that's a great a phrase that sort of generically

[0:26:09] Trustee Rogers: catches it um i know salt spring has a very big project going on you heard planner chadwick talk

[0:26:15] Trustee Rogers: talk about what's going on on North and South Pender.

[0:26:20] Trustee Rogers: I can tell you that there's a large project on Gabriola,

[0:26:23] Trustee Rogers: there's projects on Denman and Hornby as well

[0:26:29] Trustee Rogers: related to housing.

[0:26:29] Trustee Rogers: So this is a conversation that's going on

[0:26:31] Trustee Rogers: and we're all going to learn from each other

[0:26:34] Trustee Rogers: and there'll be examples to draw from various places.

[0:26:37] Trustee Rogers: Oh, I want to turn now to those that have joined us,

[0:26:43] Trustee Rogers: the community group that joined us.

[0:26:45] Trustee Rogers: I think there's 19. And I think the way to handle that, I was pointing with the idea of putting everybody on screen, but I think we'll go one at a time.

[0:26:52] Trustee Rogers: I just think and perhaps there'll be an opportunity for a little back and forth.

[0:26:58] Trustee Rogers: So I think the only way to do that is you're all in the attendee group.

[0:27:02] Trustee Rogers: You need to put your hand up and we'll try that and see how that's going.

[0:27:08] Trustee Rogers: And if that doesn't work, we'll try something else. But why don't we try that?

[0:27:12] Trustee Rogers: got so your your raise your hand uh button is in the middle of your screen uh i i recognize i have

[0:27:18] Trustee Rogers: one phone call i think it's star six isn't it maple oh

[0:27:23] Voice 11: it's a star nine for um to raise their

[0:27:27] Voice 11: digital hand and star six to unmute and mute themselves i

[0:27:31] Trustee Rogers: see as i said i see one one phone

[0:27:33] Trustee Rogers: call one phone call so if the phone call employ you it's star nine um narissa could i actually

[0:27:39] Trustee Rogers: ask you maybe we leave those questions up um and they might be useful for people to have that as

[0:27:46] Trustee Rogers: a reference point when they're talking and uh if you put your hand up and please feel free this is

[0:27:51] Trustee Rogers: one of those times you'll you may have heard me over the years talk about not responding to people

[0:27:55] Trustee Rogers: in the community well this is one of those times with everybody being respectful that i'm you can

[0:28:00] Trustee Rogers: it would be okay for you to respond to somebody in the community because this is intended to be

[0:28:05] Trustee Rogers: it here. Mr. Maxwell is the first person whose hand is up, so if we could move Mr. Maxwell and

[0:28:13] Trustee Rogers: have him turn on his camera, and I'll let him have the floor for a few minutes.

[0:28:25] Voice 11: Okay, Mr. Maxwell

[0:28:26] Voice 11: has been moved over to the panel. There he

[0:28:28] Trustee Rogers: is. I see him. Good afternoon.

[0:28:31] Voice 10: Hello, and thank you for

[0:28:33] Voice 10: for the opportunity to gather information and respond.

[0:28:40] Voice 10: I should say I am a trustee

[0:28:43] Voice 10: in the Village Point Improvement District.

[0:28:46] Voice 10: And when I heard that we were talking

[0:28:49] Voice 10: about increased density in lots like mine,

[0:28:54] Voice 10: which are 0.39 acres, I got a little tense

[0:29:00] Voice 10: because we've been fighting this war of providing enough water to all of the local people we have.

[0:29:11] Voice 10: We have 237 now tapped into our water supply.

[0:29:17] Voice 10: We're producing somewhere in the range of 5 million gallons from our aquifers.

[0:29:23] Voice 10: we've noticed that with covid we had almost well between 15 and 20 percent increase in our

[0:29:32] Voice 10: stay-at-home people it's created some head scratching we we thought we were going to get

[0:29:41] Voice 10: past the stage of having to import water this past year and unfortunately that didn't happen

[0:29:49] Voice 10: We had to bring in three tanker loads.

[0:29:52] Voice 10: So my first reaction, should this option be considered in areas where secondary suites

[0:30:00] Voice 10: are not permitted um i've noticed that secondary suites are restricted in water districts and i

[0:30:12] Voice 10: guess i have a question about that is it because of our our water situation can i ask anybody who

[0:30:22] Voice 10: knows is that why secondary suites were not permitted in water districts i

[0:30:27] Trustee Rogers: think trustee

[0:30:29] Trustee Rogers: Dodds know? So

[0:30:30] Voice 3: when we did this when we added secondary suites as a permitted use we met with

[0:30:34] Voice 3: all the water districts and had that conversation and none of the water districts except for the

[0:30:40] Voice 3: one at Gallagher Bay the Mount Park water district were interested in having secondary suites within

[0:30:46] Voice 3: their districts due to water concerns so that is exactly why they're not there now. We could

[0:30:53] Voice 3: reconsider that decision but we're getting good input right now from Village Bay which is what

[0:30:58] Voice 3: we need thank you can

[0:31:02] Voice 10: i carry on i have another question i thank you for telling me uh janine that

[0:31:07] Voice 10: you had uh we have up to 20 square footage in our uh residential areas for and i don't know what

[0:31:17] Voice 10: that would work out to but it is possible i imagine that we could uh virtually double the

[0:31:26] Voice 10: number of people that we have on crane point the village point improvement district and that would

[0:31:33] Voice 10: can

[0:31:33] Voice 3: i just clarify it al that's 20 percent lot coverage so people could build much bigger houses

[0:31:39] Voice 3: than what you have out there right now lot coverage 20 but

[0:31:42] Voice 10: if we go with this idea of

[0:31:47] Voice 10: splitting the the floor area then there could be additional dwellings kind of matching

[0:31:56] Voice 10: it would mean taking buildings down and putting buildings up but we're talking about the long

[0:32:01] Voice 10: term here and that would it's it's a worry i gotta say um one last point i think having and

[0:32:12] Voice 10: then i i think i'll shut up and just listen the i could see this working if there were other

[0:32:21] Voice 10: governmental agencies that were being a little more pliable i see us gathering in buckets outside

[0:32:30] Voice 10: side, the annual rainfall is like three feet. If we were able to impose regulations that said

[0:32:43] Voice 10: captured water was required in any secondary suites or any change in the structure of our

[0:32:55] Voice 10: floor coverage so other buildings could be made, I think there'd be a little more

[0:33:02] Voice 10: um a buy-in from from people but as it stands my understanding is that that captured water

[0:33:11] Voice 10: is not usable in residential direct residential settings what if it was to go through a treatment

[0:33:21] Voice 10: plant and be reconstituted is that is there any move to let to take take the

[0:33:35] Voice 10: restrictions down a peg so we can use captured water on the islands I guess

[0:33:42] Voice 10: that's my question I

[0:33:45] Trustee Rogers: can speak a little bit to that the answer is there's some

[0:33:47] Trustee Rogers: some move, but the province hasn't got there yet.

[0:33:51] Trustee Rogers: There are considerations to whether, first of all,

[0:33:56] Trustee Rogers: rainwater harvesting could be utilized

[0:33:58] Trustee Rogers: in a, as a secondary water source.

[0:34:02] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure they're ready to go to

[0:34:04] Trustee Rogers: as a primary water source.

[0:34:07] Trustee Rogers: And this is arisen in a number of cases

[0:34:10] Trustee Rogers: where there are developments proposed for quote unquote,

[0:34:15] Trustee Rogers: quote affordable or accessible housing where there's not sufficient water so so it's coming

[0:34:21] Trustee Rogers: but the province hasn't yet as far as I know changed the regulations around the health issues

[0:34:26] Trustee Rogers: yet am I correct Nerissa I think I believe that's an accurate assessment yeah

[0:34:32] Voice 16: yeah yeah but I would

[0:34:34] Voice 16: say that's an accurate assessment of where things are

[0:34:36] Trustee Rogers: so that they're moving in that direction and

[0:34:39] Trustee Rogers: And in fact, they've given indications there that they are working on regulations to try and make it work.

[0:34:47] Trustee Rogers: But there are obviously they have to work also with the health authorities.

[0:34:52] Voice 10: So can I characterize in an animal way the movement?

[0:34:56] Voice 10: Is it slug like or is it cheetah like?

[0:34:59] Trustee Rogers: Oh, it's somewhere in between, perhaps a little bit like a tortoise.

[0:35:04] Trustee Rogers: And

[0:35:06] Voice 3: can I just say that, you know, that there is a lot more flexibility happening around rainwater so that any moves that we make to make changes, you know, can tie into rainwater catchment because it is coming, but it's kind of still a very gray area, but it is coming.

[0:35:28] Trustee Rogers: Marissa?

[0:35:29] Voice 16: Yeah, I would just add that it's probably a tortoise that has a little bit of food in front of it right now.

[0:35:37] Voice 16: because because there there is actually um quite a extensive program underway with the the province

[0:35:44] Voice 16: to um to provide um funding for a number of different things related to um fresh water

[0:35:51] Voice 16: sustainability um so you know hopefully we'll we'll there'll be a little bit more movement

[0:35:57] Voice 16: resulting from that right

[0:36:00] Trustee Rogers: thanks mr maxwell please feel free to stick around and come back

[0:36:04] Trustee Rogers: but I'm going to maybe move on to Terrell Welch now and get another voice.

[0:36:10] Trustee Rogers: All right.

[0:36:21] Voice 6: Do I have it all done correctly now?

[0:36:23] Voice 6: Yeah, I can hear you.

[0:36:24] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[0:36:25] Trustee Rogers: Perfect.

[0:36:25] Trustee Rogers: Go ahead.

[0:36:26] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[0:36:27] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:36:28] Voice 6: So I have been interested in housing on Main Island for a long time

[0:36:34] Voice 6: and was involved in some earlier discussions several years ago now

[0:36:39] Voice 6: around housing options.

[0:36:40] Voice 6: And so I'm always encouraged by the diversity of options because I feel that it gives us a range of ways of living together in the same community.

[0:36:56] Voice 6: So I'm kind of excited about this project.

[0:37:00] Voice 6: I think I have one question that may help because I'm always trying to create a picture in my mind of what this would look like.

[0:37:08] Voice 6: And that is when Trustee Dodds was talking about, we're looking at the percentage of vacant and lots that are ready for redevelopment.

[0:37:23] Voice 6: If there's some idea around the percentage of lots that that would be on Main Island, because so many are now developed.

[0:37:36] Voice 6: developed just to give a sense of all right we have this much existing and we have this much

[0:37:42] Voice 6: that could potentially this would directly apply to over the next 20 years um

[0:37:50] Trustee Rogers: we've talked about

[0:37:52] Trustee Rogers: a build-up i'm not sure where we're at on that um someone want to address that

[0:37:57] Trustee Rogers: i

[0:37:58] Voice 3: for one yeah okay

[0:38:00] Voice 3: so for one thing um in my guesstimate is that there's about 300 undeveloped

[0:38:06] Voice 3: lots left on main of all zones all kinds of different zones out of about 1500 so percentage

[0:38:13] Voice 3: wise i would say less than 15 is undeveloped but this proposal doesn't just pertain to the

[0:38:20] Voice 3: undeveloped lots that we have because there are some lots that have potential to be redeveloped

[0:38:26] Voice 3: there are teardowns people are tearing down right now all over the place so this would also include

[0:38:31] Voice 3: This would open up the door to people who had either a bare piece of property they wanted to buy and maybe have two dwellings instead of one, or somebody who is going to tear down a rickety old cottage and do the same.

[0:38:46] Voice 3: The reality is we all know that there's less and less bare spot on the island for any kind of potential development.

[0:38:55] Voice 3: We could restrict this to just the undeveloped lots, but we don't have to.

[0:39:00] Voice 3: So that would be another issue for the community.

[0:39:02] Voice 3: We want to just limit this to lots currently that have not been developed.

[0:39:08] Voice 3: I don't know if that answered the question.

[0:39:10] Voice 3: I hope it did.

[0:39:12] Voice 6: Yeah, Janine, that was exactly what I was trying to figure out.

[0:39:16] Voice 6: Now, if I remember from other discussions over time,

[0:39:20] Voice 6: that we do have a lot of aging cottages that are ripe for redevelopment

[0:39:29] Voice 6: um as you know as vacant lots are not available that so this would be potentially um options that

[0:39:39] Voice 6: could be in place for for those redevelopments so there's a i don't know what percentage of that

[0:39:46] Voice 6: is that where we have these older you know they're they're at the end of their life expectancy as a

[0:39:53] Voice 6: dwelling one

[0:39:58] Voice 3: thing i want to say i can interrupt but you know one thing about this is is we that

[0:40:03] Voice 3: we could speculate on how many say we went ahead and changed the zoning to permit multiple dwellings

[0:40:09] Voice 3: and then in 10 years it became too many dwellings we also have the option of permitting and then

[0:40:15] Voice 3: changing that or restricting how many we actually allow over a period of time so that's something to

[0:40:22] Voice 3: consider because there's a lot of unknowns we first off we don't know how many people actually

[0:40:26] Voice 3: we want to share property and have multiple dwellings so there's lots of unknowns but we can

[0:40:30] Voice 3: i think and there is a correct me if i'm wrong but we can put in place um parameters that make

[0:40:37] Voice 3: sure it's we don't overdo it because i think that would be a huge concern so yeah

[0:40:42] Voice 6: and i think that's

[0:40:43] Voice 6: what i was trying to get my head around was what what would what would be just right and what would

[0:40:50] Voice 6: be overdoing it and what would be too little it wouldn't leave us with enough options in the

[0:40:54] Voice 6: the future, which is where I think we are now. We don't have enough different options. So I think

[0:41:01] Voice 6: that was it. I think you've answered my questions. I like the idea of being able to revisit, like,

[0:41:07] Voice 6: like, say, you know, we put something that, you know, is reviewed in 10 years or, or seeing where

[0:41:15] Voice 6: we're at. And then are we just right? Are we too little? Or, you know, do we need to stop here

[0:41:22] Voice 6: kind of thing so that's it for me thank

[0:41:27] Trustee Rogers: you terrell um we now have michael so i'm sorry i'm

[0:41:33] Trustee Rogers: gonna so willich i'm gonna try that hopefully i didn't make a mistake

[0:41:42] Voice 15: okay

[0:41:53] Voice 12: hi michael hi good

[0:41:56] Voice 12: afternoon thanks for the opportunity to weigh in on the discussion uh i'm also a trustee

[0:42:04] Voice 12: on the Village Point Improvement District

[0:42:08] Voice 12: along with Al Maxwell.

[0:42:10] Voice 12: I have a couple of questions.

[0:42:11] Voice 12: First of all, in a response to Terrell's comments,

[0:42:17] Voice 12: we have 38 empty lots in our improvement district,

[0:42:21] Voice 12: which is roughly 14%.

[0:42:24] Voice 12: We have experienced building rate

[0:42:28] Voice 12: of about one lot per year, very slow.

[0:42:32] Voice 12: um my concern about the secondary suites is actually this seems to be a promotion for people

[0:42:42] Voice 12: turning their properties into a business by putting secondary suites for rentals and smaller

[0:42:50] Voice 12: homes for rental use which puts it into a business category rather than somehow encouraging

[0:42:57] Voice 12: building on the existing empty lots okay

[0:43:07] Trustee Rogers: um does anybody i'm not so you think people are running

[0:43:14] Trustee Rogers: it as a business rather than just well i mean suppose there's revenue attached to it so well

[0:43:21] Voice 12: let me be a little bit more clear we're seeing a movement towards more and more owners in our

[0:43:27] Voice 12: our district, turning their properties into bed and breakfast, and we suspect short-term

[0:43:35] Voice 12: vacation rentals, which they deny having. We understand the bed and breakfast, and we react

[0:43:43] Voice 12: by charging double tolls. Anybody who wants to run a bed and breakfast, for the time they're

[0:43:48] Voice 12: running a bed and breakfast, they pay double tolls. So this trend seems to be increasing

[0:43:58] Voice 12: with more and more people wanting to rent out their properties

[0:44:01] Voice 12: and use it as an income property.

[0:44:05] Voice 12: And your options here,

[0:44:07] Voice 12: if more and more people start building small homes,

[0:44:10] Voice 12: then really they're turning their properties into businesses.

[0:44:17] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[0:44:19] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Dodds.

[0:44:21] Voice 3: I just wanted to ask the question, if so, can the water district,

[0:44:26] Voice 3: for instance, if you had someone put in a secondary suite,

[0:44:29] Voice 3: can you not charge extra for water?

[0:44:32] Voice 3: and does that not mitigate some of your concerns about the business and would

[0:44:37] Voice 3: that not be true if somebody built two cottages instead of one cottage is that

[0:44:41] Voice 3: a way to mitigate it the concern about the business well

[0:44:47] Voice 12: we are doing that and

[0:44:50] Voice 12: what it does is it just the more and more if this happens it draws on our

[0:44:57] Voice 12: water resource that's our concern is the availability of water we see it the the

[0:45:05] Voice 12: the real crunch time comes in July and August

[0:45:08] Voice 12: with our water resources.

[0:45:10] Voice 12: So yes, we've got 38 more properties

[0:45:13] Voice 12: that could be developed if they're developed,

[0:45:15] Voice 12: but then of course, that's a draw on our water resource.

[0:45:19] Voice 12: And we're trying, we're dealing with that in another way.

[0:45:25] Voice 12: Yeah,

[0:45:25] Trustee Rogers: go ahead Trustee Mon.

[0:45:28] Voice 15: I think one thing that we should bear in mind

[0:45:31] Voice 15: with these concerns from the various improvement districts

[0:45:34] Voice 15: and water districts is I believe

[0:45:36] Voice 15: They have the power within their own bylaws

[0:45:38] Voice 15: to regulate number of connections or type of connections.

[0:45:42] Voice 15: So I believe that no matter what the Ounce Trust does,

[0:45:48] Voice 15: the Improvement District as a water purveyor

[0:45:50] Voice 15: can actually say you cannot have a cottage

[0:45:53] Voice 15: or you cannot have a suite.

[0:45:56] Voice 15: So hopefully there's some sort of satisfaction

[0:46:01] Voice 15: to those local government bodies

[0:46:03] Voice 15: that we won't be shoving anything down their throats

[0:46:06] Voice 15: that they can't control because they're literally with the water, they're controlling the development.

[0:46:11] Voice 15: So if the improvement districts by law say you can't have a cottage,

[0:46:15] Voice 15: Island Trust says you can, the water just stops it from happening.

[0:46:22] Trustee Rogers: If I could just ask you a question, Michael, just so I understand and I get your point that

[0:46:30] Trustee Rogers: you say it's a business and I'm trying to figure out if you're saying that's a bad thing and

[0:46:36] Trustee Rogers: And because if it creates an affordable suite for someone living on the island, which is part of the objective here, with all the considerations that are there, if somebody is running it, as you call it, as a business, in other words, they built their home, they create the secondary suite to supplement their income and running it.

[0:46:57] Trustee Rogers: I guess my question is, are you saying that's a bad thing or a negative?

[0:47:04] Trustee Rogers: I

[0:47:08] Voice 12: the only no I wouldn't say that's a negative thing what I'm saying is that it has a draw on

[0:47:16] Voice 12: our limited water resources yeah

[0:47:18] Trustee Rogers: absolutely totally I understand that yeah I totally get

[0:47:21] Trustee Rogers: that okay thanks that's that's where our concern was thanks very much anything further otherwise

[0:47:28] Trustee Rogers: please you know stick around come back we'll listen to some of the other folks I see

[0:47:33] Trustee Rogers: The looks like Jeanette Leach is the next person with their hand.

[0:47:38] Trustee Rogers: OK,

[0:48:01] Voice 19: now I'm on. Thank you.

[0:48:04] Voice 19: I found this very interesting. I have a very different perspective.

[0:48:12] Voice 19: I've been an owner on the island for 14 years now.

[0:48:17] Voice 19: and when I first bought my property I got in septic, a well dug and hydro and so I wasn't

[0:48:31] Voice 19: sure the definition between vacant properties and developed properties because I don't have a house

[0:48:38] Voice 19: on the land my property is is not considered developed there's no building in terms of

[0:48:46] Voice 19: of assessment, but it is occupied.

[0:48:50] Voice 19: And so one of the things I'm really interested

[0:48:53] Voice 19: and excited about in this proposal is

[0:48:57] Voice 19: because I have a trailer that has been my weekend home

[0:49:03] Voice 19: almost every weekend in that time.

[0:49:05] Voice 19: But when I've asked about a building

[0:49:09] Voice 19: because my property is under the 0.4 hectares,

[0:49:16] Voice 19: I was told that I couldn't have a cottage or a house or or anything and that is something that

[0:49:25] Voice 19: would be really nice to to to have to be able to have that I'm sort of a numbers person so in terms

[0:49:34] Voice 19: of the square footage I like the idea that maybe look at square footage of the dwelling whatever

[0:49:42] Voice 19: whatever it is. I mean, my trailer just now is about 300 square feet. And my property is about

[0:49:52] Voice 19: 0.65 acres. And by my calculation, that would mean 20% coverage would be about 3000 square feet.

[0:50:02] Voice 19: feet and I'm certainly not looking at that. So I like the idea of looking at square feet

[0:50:13] Voice 19: and square feet meaning not just footprint but floors so that those would count. It wouldn't

[0:50:24] Voice 19: just be the the coverage because I think that is is a better way at looking at the the use

[0:50:34] Voice 19: and so I don't think I'm part because I've got my own well I don't think I'm part of a

[0:50:39] Voice 19: a water district but the only thing I've heard in this is that if I did have a house

[0:50:48] Voice 19: because I'm not part of a water district I could have had a secondary suite but that

[0:50:54] Voice 19: of course is not present relevant to me. I like the idea of requiring water catchment

[0:51:10] Voice 19: for things that that uh like if if we're making changes that that would increase the the density

[0:51:22] Voice 19: um from my perspective if one's looking at uh water usage the septic field i i uh had put in

[0:51:34] Voice 19: was actually at that time it was on the the the assumption that maybe there would be a house with

[0:51:40] Voice 19: three bedrooms. I would think that counting bathrooms is probably a better way of looking at

[0:51:50] Voice 19: water usage, but also gardens and all kinds of other things. So it's not necessarily

[0:51:59] Voice 19: the number of people that are going to have the biggest impact on water usage. It can also be how

[0:52:08] Voice 19: how you use it.

[0:52:09] Voice 19: So the idea of water catchment for a lot of other uses,

[0:52:17] Voice 19: other than the primary house ones is really useful,

[0:52:23] Voice 19: I think.

[0:52:25] Voice 19: So yes, I like what I'm hearing and thank you

[0:52:33] Voice 19: to the trustees and trust for,

[0:52:39] Voice 19: looking at these flexible options I'm not going to I'm not going to comment on how other people

[0:52:47] Voice 19: might do it or or or or not because I'll leave other people to talk for for themselves thank you

[0:52:55] Voice 19: okay

[0:52:58] Trustee Rogers: thanks a lot um thanks Jeanette appreciate your comments uh Marilyn Winterbottom you'll be

[0:53:15] Trustee Rogers: be able to unmute yourself and turn your camera on if you wish now, Marilyn.

[0:53:21] Voice 4: Okay, I'm not sure

[0:53:22] Voice 4: if my camera is working. Can you hear me?

[0:53:27] Trustee Rogers: Yes, I muted my device. Yes, I can certainly hear you.

[0:53:30] Voice 4: Okay, fine. This is just a personal question on where we live. We live in the Bennett Bay area.

[0:53:38] Voice 4: We are on a water system. We have a piece of property. It's approximately one hectare.

[0:53:46] Voice 4: there is one building on it no secondary suite one bathroom and we have often wondered how

[0:53:55] Voice 4: with with a new plan coming in how might we be able to create more housing on our property or

[0:54:05] Voice 4: is that possible at all so that's just my question how that might work out

[0:54:12] Voice 4: in this new plan that you are this project that that's coming forward I

[0:54:18] Trustee Rogers: can't tell you how it

[0:54:20] Trustee Rogers: might work out in the future because we haven't got a plan yet going forward but perhaps the

[0:54:25] Trustee Rogers: planner although I see planner Chadwick's turned her camera off because as

[0:54:34] Voice 4: I understand it now we

[0:54:35] Voice 4: We could have put one other cottage on of a restricted size, but

[0:54:42] Voice 4: we haven't.

[0:54:43] Voice 4: So just wondering how that might play out.

[0:54:47] Voice 4: And again, of course, water is always an issue.

[0:54:50] Voice 4: I am involved in our water district and reading meters, so I know that water consumption has gone up in the past year, and it's always been an issue.

[0:55:01] Voice 4: Okay

[0:55:02] Trustee Rogers: well I see Planner Chadwick has her graphic up again and I think she wants to address it by

[0:55:07] Trustee Rogers: referring to the graphic. Go ahead.

[0:55:10] Voice 16: Yeah hi I think this graphic actually illustrates what could

[0:55:14] Voice 16: what what would potentially be possible under this this idea of a distributed a distributed

[0:55:23] Voice 16: density situation. So the case would be that unless the house that you currently have on your

[0:55:32] Voice 16: lot is enormous and would exceed...

[0:55:35] Voice 4: No, it is not. No, it's 1,800 square feet, probably.

[0:55:43] Voice 16: Yes, I think the key here is that if a maximum square footage was to be established in this idea

[0:55:49] Voice 16: of distributed density you would essentially be allowed whatever that additional density would be

[0:55:55] Voice 16: so say it was 2500 square feet and your current house is 1700 square feet then that would give

[0:56:03] Voice 16: you an additional you know the potential to build something that would be 700 square feet

[0:56:10] Voice 16: that would be the idea right now it's just all ideas right

[0:56:16] Voice 4: but could that be translated into

[0:56:19] Voice 4: to two small houses of say 500 square feet.

[0:56:26] Voice 16: So if you're on a lot that's larger than 0.6 hectares

[0:56:31] Voice 16: as you can see in the example here.

[0:56:33] Voice 16: Yes,

[0:56:33] Voice 4: we are, yes.

[0:56:35] Voice 16: You know, these like two houses, you know,

[0:56:39] Voice 16: could be two houses, three houses of different sizes

[0:56:43] Voice 16: if you're within that, whatever that maximum might be.

[0:56:48] Voice 16: I

[0:56:49] Voice 4: see okay and I'm just talking about water catchment just to add a little piece of

[0:56:55] Voice 4: information we have friends that live on the island of Bermuda where there is no fresh water

[0:57:01] Voice 4: at all it was uninhabited until the explorers found it and it supports a population of about

[0:57:09] Voice 4: 60,000 and every person there collects their water and you know we've we visited their house

[0:57:17] Voice 4: and their basement is their water catchment so there's no fresh water and they do very well on

[0:57:25] Voice 4: that island so things are possible that's all I have to say thanks yes

[0:57:32] Trustee Rogers: thank you yes lots of things

[0:57:33] Trustee Rogers: are possible um

[0:57:35] Voice 3: I'm sorry I shut my video off because I'm losing the signal here but I just

[0:57:38] Voice 3: wanted to follow up on both what um yeah Jeanette sorry I

[0:57:44] Trustee Rogers: was just gonna say just jump in when you

[0:57:46] Trustee Rogers: want to okay

[0:57:47] Voice 3: so when Jeanette and Marilyn I think Jeanette sort of hit the nail on the head in some

[0:57:52] Voice 3: ways I you know she was guessing that if she had built a house it could be 3,000 square feet

[0:57:57] Voice 3: whereas under this proposal instead of that one big mega house maybe she could have built three

[0:58:03] Voice 3: 800 square feet houses this is kind of I think the idea here is that instead of building a single

[0:58:09] Voice 3: mega house that possibly you would build smaller houses but multiple houses and going back to the

[0:58:15] Voice 3: comment about the septic tank the three bedrooms are important not the bathrooms three bedrooms

[0:58:20] Voice 3: assume that you have three to six occupants that's why the septic standards are based on the number

[0:58:26] Voice 3: of bedrooms so if you build three small houses with one bedroom each that three bedroom septic

[0:58:33] Voice 3: should be able to serve those three houses that's theoretically so i hope that clarified a little

[0:58:38] Voice 3: little bit more for Maryland and Jeanette. Thank you. Great. Thanks.

[0:58:43] Trustee Rogers: Thanks to both of you. And

[0:58:45] Trustee Rogers: thanks, Janine. Former trustee Brian Crumblehulme, please welcome to join us.

[0:59:10] Voice 1: Can you hear me now?

[0:59:12] Voice 1: You can. Okay. Thank you, Chair, for this. And thanks to the Local Trust Committee for

[0:59:19] Voice 1: engaging in this. It's a very intelligent discussion. I want to make a distinction

[0:59:25] Voice 1: distinction here, and this is about the cost. The cost of building, the cost and the actual

[0:59:31] Voice 1: affordability of rentals. You'll have to excuse me, I've got the sun coming right in on one side, so

[0:59:37] Voice 1: I'm trying to avoid it. And that is, as everyone knows, the increasing buildings cost is increasing

[0:59:46] Voice 1: considerably, and a small cottage or a micro home is not necessarily cheap to build.

[0:59:53] Voice 1: the building the construction costs are exactly the same the building code is the same

[1:00:00] Voice 1: as if it was a very large house so it's a question of finish and how much and a very brief example I

[1:00:07] Voice 1: have friends in Vancouver who decided to build a lane house they already had a fairly large house

[1:00:13] Voice 1: they built a lane house which was 1,000 square feet and by the time they had finished it it

[1:00:22] Voice 1: cost them seven hundred and fifty dollars a square foot to complete and that did not include a fair

[1:00:29] Voice 1: amount of sweat equity put in by the owner who is a very capable engineer and he knew what he was

[1:00:33] Voice 1: doing so it could easily have cost him a thousand dollars per foot um i'm not suggesting all the

[1:00:40] Voice 1: buildings are going to be that much but it is an i something to consider so that if someone is

[1:00:46] Voice 1: looking at putting in let's say a cottage and it's legal um that cottage could cost quite a bit so

[1:00:52] Voice 1: the distinction then is between available houses whether you buy them or whether you rent them

[1:00:58] Voice 1: and affordable houses. And the BC government or BC housing categorize affordable as a maximum of

[1:01:09] Voice 1: 30% of your total income. So you can do the math. If someone, a couple have $30,000 or $40,000 a

[1:01:18] Voice 1: year or $60,000 a year income, and how much per month is that divided by 12? Would that

[1:01:28] Voice 1: that exceed their 30% income.

[1:01:30] Voice 1: So you can play around with those numbers.

[1:01:33] Voice 1: I'm not suggesting any particular one model,

[1:01:36] Voice 1: but I think probably on the island,

[1:01:37] Voice 1: we're looking at a combination.

[1:01:39] Voice 1: There will be some very nice ones that will be expensive

[1:01:42] Voice 1: and beyond the baseline

[1:01:46] Voice 1: and some that will need to be built

[1:01:49] Voice 1: at a much more affordable rate.

[1:01:50] Voice 1: And that's the big challenge.

[1:01:52] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:01:57] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Brian.

[1:01:57] Trustee Rogers: Brian? I don't, I'm not hearing any comments related to Brian's comments.

[1:02:05] Trustee Rogers: No,

[1:02:06] Voice 3: I appreciate the comments. And I don't, you know, at the end of the day, these are housing

[1:02:10] Voice 3: options, affordability for housing, whether you even if you already own your land, you know,

[1:02:17] Voice 3: there is no such thing out there anymore. As far as affordable, it's really expectations and

[1:02:25] Voice 3: And size does make a difference.

[1:02:26] Voice 3: If you're smaller, it's a lot fewer two-by-fours.

[1:02:29] Voice 3: But he's right.

[1:02:30] Voice 3: It certainly is not an inexpensive process these days.

[1:02:34] Trustee Rogers: And there's also issues of, you know, scale.

[1:02:38] Trustee Rogers: You know, if you're building two houses of

[1:02:40] Voice 9: just

[1:02:42] Trustee Rogers: a number of thousand

[1:02:43] Trustee Rogers: as opposed to one house with 2,000, you know,

[1:02:46] Trustee Rogers: there's a few extra walls you've got to put up.

[1:02:49] Trustee Rogers: But you are distributing the cost of the land.

[1:02:53] Voice 3: and and

[1:02:54] Voice 3: maybe creating extra maybe creating some rentals but you know that there again

[1:03:00] Voice 3: we're only hoping and trying to do something all

[1:03:05] Trustee Rogers: good points thank you uh the next person is uh

[1:03:10] Trustee Rogers: ian burke well over there yes

[1:03:34] Voice 17: yes

[1:03:35] Trustee Rogers: we got you we can see you now thank

[1:03:38] Voice 17: you where my face is too

[1:03:40] Voice 17: Yeah

[1:03:40] Trustee Rogers: we got you.

[1:03:42] Voice 17: Thanks for the opportunity. I hear the comments on the water district

[1:03:51] Voice 17: lots and I know when that secondary sweep policy was put in, as Janine said, there was a lot of

[1:03:58] Voice 17: discussion and all bar one were not in favor for demand usage considerations and I have a sense

[1:04:10] Voice 17: that that should continue although an option might be uh to make flexible housing permitted in those

[1:04:19] Voice 17: zones but the final decision is up to the water districts or or some other consideration if one

[1:04:26] Voice 17: or two want to to add one or two it's a tricky area just in the in the whole notion though on

[1:04:33] Voice 17: the other lots of the flexible uh housing alternatives i'm quite supportive um it is

[1:04:42] Voice 17: needed there is a real concern on the island on accommodation particularly for for younger

[1:04:49] Voice 17: families as well as sports or seniors it's it's a pricing consideration but if if we're looking

[1:04:56] Voice 17: at younger families and they're renting they're probably looking for not cottages they'll be

[1:05:01] Voice 17: looking for three bedrooms or or more so that we have to think about that um i would this is a just

[1:05:10] Voice 17: coming from from the advisory planning commission sort of perspective when we we do look at um

[1:05:17] Voice 17: variances and things like that that one of the primary considerations

[1:05:23] Voice 17: is it's always the impact on the environment and the and the impact on neighbors and so

[1:05:31] Voice 17: So I would like to suggest that whatever flexible options trustees come up with in support,

[1:05:40] Voice 17: that it not just be an outlier regulated use in the land use bylaw.

[1:05:48] Voice 17: It would follow the setbacks and things like that.

[1:05:51] Voice 17: But I think when you're adding not so much the density, but you're adding additional buildings and more people living there,

[1:06:00] Voice 17: that there should be some consideration on how it impacts um other people and neighbors and so

[1:06:07] Voice 17: i would suggest that possibly um the land use bylaws would need to be rewritten for this to be a

[1:06:18] Voice 17: permissive use but one that is subject to some review whether it's a development permit uh or

[1:06:25] Voice 17: or whatever, and put some guidelines and goals in there

[1:06:30] Voice 17: and try and be as flexible as possible with those.

[1:06:33] Voice 17: So it's sort of, it's a site by site consideration.

[1:06:40] Voice 17: I think that's all I want to say at this point.

[1:06:42] Voice 17: It's interesting discussion.

[1:06:44] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Mr. Burgwell.

[1:06:45] Trustee Rogers: I'm just good, I appreciate it.

[1:06:48] Trustee Rogers: We'd have to be creative about what kind of conditions

[1:06:50] Trustee Rogers: we can put in because I don't think development permits

[1:06:53] Trustee Rogers: can be utilized for that sort of a thing.

[1:06:57] Trustee Rogers: unless i'm missing something on my checklist of what dps can be used for

[1:07:03] Trustee Rogers: um but but there may be other options for something to like that to provide some sort of

[1:07:10] Trustee Rogers: as you say i think you use the word conditional or um approval anyway i i i saw you lean forward

[1:07:18] Trustee Rogers: nurse did you want to comment on that uh

[1:07:21] Voice 16: i was just i was just gonna say i think you're correct

[1:07:24] Voice 16: chair Rogers with respect to how development permits could be used and it

[1:07:30] Voice 16: would it would take a little bit of research on my part to see what other

[1:07:35] Voice 16: kind of approach there could be to to have some kind of to sort of insist on

[1:07:45] Voice 16: some kind of review so so I guess my answer is I'd have to do a bit of

[1:07:49] Voice 16: research to find out

[1:07:50] Trustee Rogers: but it's a good point I understand the point the point

[1:07:52] Trustee Rogers: is we've got to be careful not to impact neighbors in a negative way. That's what DVPs are for and

[1:08:04] Trustee Rogers: QPs, et cetera, et cetera, allows for input. That's a good point. Thank you, Mr. Kowalski.

[1:08:10] Trustee Rogers: Go

[1:08:10] Voice 17: ahead, Mr. Perlman.

[1:08:11] Voice 17: If I could just add, at the moment, anybody who's building on a vacant lot

[1:08:17] Voice 17: may well impact their neighbors just by the they're only subject to the citing bylaws and

[1:08:25] Voice 17: setbacks and so uh i mean there is that impact there now so i'm not suggesting that sort of we

[1:08:33] Voice 17: need to have vetoes and things like that but just take it into consideration okay

[1:08:38] Trustee Rogers: thanks um

[1:08:40] Trustee Rogers: trustee dodge are you trying to turn your camera back on or but no never mind i just didn't know

[1:08:46] Trustee Rogers: if you wanted to say anything um the next person i have is uh mr hoff john hoff and just a reminder

[1:08:56] Trustee Rogers: to everyone if you wish to speak please put your you know raise your hand we're after mr hoff we

[1:09:02] Trustee Rogers: have one more person on my list so can you hear me now i can hear you i can't see you i didn't

[1:09:16] Trustee Rogers: know if you wanted to turn your camera on doesn't you don't need to yeah

[1:09:21] Voice 14: i don't want to scare

[1:09:22] Voice 14: care anybody. The sun is coming in too. So yeah, just a quick comment here on the fact

[1:09:32] Voice 14: that both Janine and Dave are doing a great job with taking this project on because I

[1:09:38] Voice 14: agree with Planner Chadwick that it's a very complex process and there are many, many issues

[1:09:43] Voice 14: that need to be considered. Mainly also because we have so many different types of communities

[1:09:53] Voice 14: are on this little island and different mixes.

[1:09:58] Voice 14: The one question I have is relative to the whole building permit process.

[1:10:04] Voice 14: With respect to water districts, what involvement and what authority do they have with respect to

[1:10:11] Voice 14: approving new buildings?

[1:10:19] Trustee Rogers: What do water districts have?

[1:10:21] Trustee Rogers: have

[1:10:22] Voice 14: yeah what's their involvement in in the approval process i

[1:10:25] Trustee Rogers: don't know i heard trustee

[1:10:27] Trustee Rogers: mod indicate he seemed to have some knowledge of that maybe you could you know david uh my

[1:10:34] Voice 15: understanding is is the water districts that are improvement districts by bylaw can control things

[1:10:39] Voice 15: such as there can only be one connection or there cannot be suites or there cannot be cottages

[1:10:44] Voice 15: so my understanding and certainly planet chadwick could either research it or confirm that situation

[1:10:51] Voice 15: is that there actually is quite a bit of control

[1:10:54] Voice 15: by the improvement districts as to what can

[1:10:56] Voice 15: or cannot be done as far as

[1:10:58] Voice 15: provision of water goes.

[1:11:01] Trustee Rogers: Okay, well, the RP

[1:11:03] Trustee Rogers: just a sec, the regional planning manager

[1:11:05] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Hoff, the regional planning

[1:11:07] Trustee Rogers: manager might know the answer.

[1:11:09] Voice 13: Yeah, Trustee Maud's correct.

[1:11:11] Voice 13: Generally, my understanding is that

[1:11:14] Voice 13: if new construction

[1:11:15] Voice 13: if someone's building a new house

[1:11:18] Voice 13: they need the

[1:11:19] Voice 13: permission of the water system to make the connection.

[1:11:22] Voice 13: Once you're connected, if you're doing renovations, I don't think the water system has a lot of say over that. It's the building inspector that issues the building permit.

[1:11:33] Trustee Rogers: Does that answer your question?

[1:11:35] Voice 14: Yeah, I'm just wondering, like Michael was saying, there are 36 or 38 empty lots in the Village Bay District.

[1:11:44] Voice 14: If someone wants to build on one of those empty lots and have decided not to hook into the water system,

[1:11:53] Voice 14: I guess the overall water system in that area have no control over what's being built,

[1:11:58] Voice 14: except the bylaw restrictions are going to define what is allowed.

[1:12:04] Voice 14: loud

[1:12:07] Trustee Rogers: um yeah water of course is is uh complicated by you know wells and it could bend them whether

[1:12:14] Trustee Rogers: a well would impact someone else's water but presuming it doesn't none of that comes into

[1:12:18] Trustee Rogers: place like fifth what's it called first in first allowed or something like that um in terms of well

[1:12:24] Trustee Rogers: uh other than that i would i would think so but perhaps we can would you like me to ask michael

[1:12:31] Trustee Rogers: that question see if he'll join us and you can ask him or or al maxwell one of the two of the

[1:12:36] Trustee Rogers: the people from the Improvement District join us?

[1:12:42] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, neither of them have their hands up.

[1:12:46] Trustee Rogers: Michael, yeah, could you promote Michael for a second?

[1:12:58] Trustee Rogers: Thanks for, do you know the answer to the question?

[1:13:06] Voice 12: I'm here, okay.

[1:13:07] Voice 12: Yes.

[1:13:08] Voice 12: Thanks for the question, John.

[1:13:12] Voice 12: If a person wanted to build on one of our empty lots,

[1:13:16] Voice 12: they could in all likelihood drill a well

[1:13:18] Voice 12: and they're on their own.

[1:13:19] Voice 12: and we have our we don't have any recourse as far as a building permit is concerned we're out of

[1:13:27] Voice 12: that picture the only thing that we when he's when a person is using our water we just want to make

[1:13:35] Voice 12: sure that the water line is protected and that he doesn't have a secondary line on the property

[1:13:42] Voice 12: if a person chooses to drill their own well they're on their own and we have no recourse

[1:13:49] Voice 14: okay okay thank you okay

[1:13:51] Trustee Rogers: thanks michael uh john did you have anything further you'd like to

[1:13:56] Trustee Rogers: add no

[1:13:57] Voice 14: that's great uh chair rogers i appreciate the time thank you thanks a lot

[1:14:00] Voice 3: um and thanks

[1:14:03] Voice 3: michael for step oh sorry go ahead yeah i tried to start the video but i just don't seem to have

[1:14:08] Voice 3: a strong enough signal i just wanted to going back to what ian burt will said and about the dpa which

[1:14:14] Voice 3: which we can't do, but for instance, things that we could be doing, if we went ahead and considered

[1:14:20] Voice 3: increasing the number of individual dwellings on a property, we could change the setbacks

[1:14:25] Voice 3: specifically for those properties. If we thought that was going to be an impact and a problem,

[1:14:31] Voice 3: we also could reduce lot coverage. So in other words, while you could have multiple dwellings,

[1:14:36] Voice 3: you would have, you would end up leaving much less developed space to impact on your immediate

[1:14:42] Voice 3: neighbors. So there are tools that we can use to mitigate the impacts if we were to increase

[1:14:47] Voice 3: density, unless Marissa says I'm wrong. So I just wanted to clarify that. But we can do some stuff.

[1:14:54] Trustee Rogers: I was actually thinking that same thing. Thanks, Janine, is that, you know, not that we want to

[1:14:59] Trustee Rogers: encourage big homes, but if you are entitled to, let's say, a 3000 square foot home, but want to

[1:15:04] Trustee Rogers: build two or three homes, you might want to have a lesser total square footage, because each home

[1:15:11] Trustee Rogers: is going to have some impact around them as well um and for for for ecosystem issues you might want

[1:15:19] Trustee Rogers: to do anyway i don't know

[1:15:20] Trustee Rogers: i don't know that's a discussion that will carry on narissa over to you

[1:15:24] Voice 16: yeah the clustering of housing would also be a something that could be um kind of worked into the

[1:15:30] Voice 16: the zoning right

[1:15:32] Trustee Rogers: i mean there's other issues of density like there might be more traffic there

[1:15:39] Trustee Rogers: there might be more people.

[1:15:41] Trustee Rogers: Anyway, but the old things would all be part

[1:15:43] Trustee Rogers: of what you might do in the zone, but thanks.

[1:15:46] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, thanks, Jane.

[1:15:49] Trustee Rogers: Rebecca Ewing, hello, Rebecca, please join us.

[1:16:12] Trustee Rogers: You should be able to unmute yourself now, Rebecca.

[1:16:17] Voice 2: Okay, can you hear us?

[1:16:18] Trustee Rogers: Oh, hi, sorry.

[1:16:20] Voice 2: Yes,

[1:16:21] Trustee Rogers: I can hear you.

[1:16:21] Trustee Rogers: I don't see a camera signal, so I assume you don't have one.

[1:16:25] Voice 2: Yeah, I don't have my business suit on.

[1:16:27] Voice 2: I wanted to just make a point with something that Janine mentioned and something that Ian

[1:16:34] Voice 2: Firthwell mentioned. I think the idea of increased flexibility to promote more rental and more

[1:16:42] Voice 2: ownership opportunities for people is good. And I think it sounds to me like in many ways,

[1:16:49] Voice 2: the granting of increased flexibility is almost like granting flexibility for the provision of

[1:16:57] Voice 2: an amenity and that's affordable ownership or rental and so to me it sounds like there's two

[1:17:03] Voice 2: possibilities here if you don't want to go providing blanket opportunity across a whole zone

[1:17:10] Voice 2: you could for example provide an annual expression of interest a simple letter that i could write

[1:17:17] Voice 2: to the ltc saying i would like to do this on my property i'd like to create a cottage and

[1:17:23] Voice 2: and two cottages, and here's why I think it's a good idea,

[1:17:27] Voice 2: then that gives LTC and the improvement districts

[1:17:30] Voice 2: the ability to provide a quick course filter over,

[1:17:34] Voice 2: yeah, is this something that's workable or not?

[1:17:36] Voice 2: And it also provides the ability for the island

[1:17:39] Voice 2: to limit the number of approvals you give

[1:17:43] Voice 2: to these increased flexible options.

[1:17:46] Voice 2: I mean, that's one idea that's different

[1:17:48] Voice 2: than the DPA notion.

[1:17:49] Voice 2: and and the other is just the the notions that we're trying to get to

[1:17:56] Voice 2: affordable rental opportunities and affordable homeownership opportunities

[1:18:02] Voice 2: we already have opportunities to create more rental housing on the island given

[1:18:07] Voice 2: the zoning that we have it's just not happening and so what incentives are

[1:18:13] Voice 2: there to to convince people to do that it's not clear to me that any of these

[1:18:20] Voice 2: options provide the incentive to get more rental units on the ground. So I can see how they might

[1:18:25] Voice 2: move to better ownership opportunities, but I'm still not sure where the carrot is to provide

[1:18:32] Voice 2: more rental units on the island. And that's all I have to say. Thank you. Okay.

[1:18:39] Trustee Rogers: Thanks. Either

[1:18:40] Trustee Rogers: trustees want to, Janine, anything from you?

[1:18:44] Voice 3: To me, the carrot, and I don't, you know, there again,

[1:18:48] Voice 3: Again, it's like secondary suites.

[1:18:49] Voice 3: I don't expect a huge uptake.

[1:18:51] Voice 3: But if I was a homeowner, you know, a nice flat half acre piece of land, not in a water district, and I wanted to build, you know, a couple of little rental houses for my retirement and live in the main house, then I believe that this is giving me that opportunity.

[1:19:07] Voice 3: But that's not something that every single homeowner by any means would be interested in.

[1:19:14] Voice 3: The rental incentives are, it is tricky.

[1:19:17] Voice 3: not everyone wants to be a landlord either so there's no perfect answer to that but the carrot

[1:19:23] Voice 3: is that you're allowing more flexibility on that piece of property so that somebody who is thinking

[1:19:28] Voice 3: outside the box who does want to do something a bit different and it may be not even a rental it

[1:19:34] Voice 3: could be home for mom and then a home for the kids etc so it's not perfect but um i think it's a way

[1:19:42] Voice 3: still have been enhancing some of the opportunities that we don't have right now.

[1:19:48] Do

[1:19:49] Voice 2: I get to speak still?

[1:19:52] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, please feel free. This, as I said, this is a conversation, not a...

[1:19:56] Voice 2: All right. Yeah. So that's a good point. I like that idea. And so then it's a matter of marketing

[1:20:03] Voice 2: that increased flexibility to those people who might take it up. And I think that's the real

[1:20:11] Voice 2: matchmaking has to happen then is use this these these flexible options as a way to get

[1:20:17] Voice 2: the word out and market it to the island uh residents and maybe we could increase uptake

[1:20:22] Voice 2: that way right

[1:20:24] Voice 3: excellent suggestion thank you excellent thanks

[1:20:29] Trustee Rogers: a lot um i don't have any hands

[1:20:34] Trustee Rogers: ends up um oh there's one thank you mr burtwell oh now i have another one that's always the cue

[1:20:42] Trustee Rogers: go ahead mr burtwell we'll move you over here

[1:20:53] Voice 17: i come yeah hi hi

[1:20:56] Voice 17: um i just wanted to i was looking

[1:20:59] Voice 17: at what was up on the screen still and the question that hasn't hasn't been considered

[1:21:04] Voice 17: i just want to comment on it and that's should strata ownership be considered on land that can't

[1:21:09] Voice 17: be subdivided. And I think, from my perspective, yes, it should as part of this initiative. So

[1:21:19] Voice 17: whether it's set out in policy or what. And the reason I say that is because

[1:21:26] Voice 17: if you're having a cottage, well, with a suite, it would be rental. But a cottage,

[1:21:32] Voice 17: you normally would be renting that as it would be very difficult to sort of work out any other

[1:21:39] Voice 17: ownership options so it's a rental situation but there might be there might be places where

[1:21:45] Voice 17: um a bare land strata would work you'd have to have one common feature whether it's a road or

[1:21:51] Voice 17: driveway that they share that's the sharing part and then you can do a bare land strata

[1:21:55] Voice 17: and that way you could you could then have multiple ownership so one or two examples on

[1:22:01] Voice 17: the island of well there's multi at the at the uh at the inn there's there are a couple of co-ops

[1:22:09] Voice 17: and i don't know what the situation is on that on the benny bay road cottages where they're

[1:22:15] Voice 17: their strata or just a cooperative but that would then open up the possibility of the affordability

[1:22:23] Voice 17: for people who want to want to buy they would be buying their unit and they would be sharing in the

[1:22:29] Voice 17: the land yeah

[1:22:31] Trustee Rogers: and and just and i can just i can say there's lots of examples of of co-ops and

[1:22:39] Trustee Rogers: corporations um at least in my local trust area uh there are quite a few uh where they've done

[1:22:47] Trustee Rogers: exactly what you're talking about but they but it it doesn't it that means you don't have to

[1:22:51] Trustee Rogers: create a strata and go through whatever the difficulties of that are um but you have a

[1:22:56] Trustee Rogers: a corporation where people own shares and they have their internal agreement, and then they have

[1:23:02] Trustee Rogers: to get the zoning in place to allow for the multiple buildings. So there's whole islands

[1:23:08] Trustee Rogers: in my area that are like that. So small islands, of course. But I don't know if you're familiar

[1:23:18] Trustee Rogers: with Paisley Island in Howe Sound, but it's a corporation. And right next to me on Keats,

[1:23:24] Trustee Rogers: there's a co-op um they have a corporation a similar idea they have their own so all of those

[1:23:30] Trustee Rogers: are all great suggestions thank you i'm gonna go to pat todd um he's with us hi pat hi

[1:23:40] Voice 5: happy new

[1:23:41] Voice 5: year everybody um i've been on the island 24 years as a renter uh so i can certainly support the idea

[1:23:52] Voice 5: of the need for more options in rental properties it's important to get the young people over to

[1:23:59] Voice 5: support the services on the island for the rest of the residents and I just wanted to speak to

[1:24:06] Voice 5: the secondary suites in the water districts I think it's important to consider that you could

[1:24:12] Voice 5: have a three and four bedroom home with only one person living there and so a secondary suite would

[1:24:20] Voice 5: would not create a significant draw, considering that could also be a home with six people

[1:24:27] Voice 5: living in it. And for some of the seniors on the island, they certainly have the resources within

[1:24:34] Voice 5: their existing home to create either a bedsitter or to put a little cottage on the property.

[1:24:42] Voice 5: And so I think if water was metered, then you could be charged an average usage rate.

[1:24:51] Voice 5: And then if there were additional people living on the property or on the site, you can be charged over and above whatever the additional usage might be.

[1:25:03] Voice 5: That's it.

[1:25:07] Trustee Rogers: Thanks.

[1:25:09] Trustee Rogers: Anything from Janine?

[1:25:10] Trustee Rogers: Did you have anything you'd like to add?

[1:25:12] Trustee Rogers: I

[1:25:12] Voice 3: was just going to say Pat makes some really good points.

[1:25:14] Voice 3: You know, I know the water district struggle and Village Bay in particular, they are our single largest water district with 278 lots at Village Bay as a single water district.

[1:25:28] Voice 3: None of the others are of that size.

[1:25:31] Voice 3: But the reality is that, you know, not every home has six occupants.

[1:25:35] Voice 3: So I think metering the water and knowing who's using what and making people pay for it, and also

[1:25:42] Voice 3: then linking some sort of rainwater collection, which we have done for secondary suites, would

[1:25:46] Voice 3: help. So I think really good points that she makes. So thanks, Pat. You're welcome.

[1:25:52] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Pat.

[1:25:54] Trustee Rogers: Deborah Goldman, welcome. Hi.

[1:26:09] Trustee Rogers: Hi, Deborah.

[1:26:10] Voice 7: Well, good. This has been a really interesting

[1:26:14] Voice 7: discussion I have to tell you I've got multiple hats on today because I live in the Village Bay

[1:26:19] Voice 7: Water District and I'm also on the Main Island Housing Society the president of that and

[1:26:26] Voice 7: and I you know Pat had a wonderful suggestion here that most of our houses are are occupied by

[1:26:36] Voice 7: less than what our septic system or our water system or the housing was was built for and so

[1:26:43] Voice 7: So allowing secondary suites, perhaps, or other flexible options in some of those water districts might be a very useful way to increase the number of rental accommodations on the island.

[1:26:55] Voice 7: And one of the things that I'd like to say from the Housing Society perspective, sorry, you can't see me because I've got the sun coming in.

[1:27:02] Voice 7: um we know well the housing society supports any any initiative that will increase the number of

[1:27:11] Voice 7: rental units on the on the island because we know that there is and it was borne out by um the

[1:27:18] Voice 7: trust research as well as the crd research on the housing needs assessment as well as our own

[1:27:24] Voice 7: research from the housing society that um people are struggling to find housing that we could have

[1:27:32] Voice 7: from our research 30 suites or 30 units for affordable housing and currently the zoning

[1:27:42] Voice 7: or the amenity zoning would allow for 10. so it needs our housing needs require multiple

[1:27:48] Voice 7: solutions it's not just the building of cluster housing or for affordable housing as well as i

[1:27:56] Voice 7: I'd like to just mention that in our, we've put out a survey.

[1:28:04] Voice 7: It's a, sorry, it's like a waiting list.

[1:28:09] Voice 7: It's a waiting list.

[1:28:10] Voice 7: And we have 30 responses for future units.

[1:28:15] Voice 7: And of those, about half are from seniors.

[1:28:19] Voice 7: And I know that some of those seniors would be just as happy to be in accommodations that were different from what they're in now, sell their place, but they're not in need of affordable housing.

[1:28:32] Voice 7: So a multiple prong solution to the housing need on the island is really, really well thought as a good idea.

[1:28:40] Voice 7: um economics as brian had said are an issue that putting in if you have to put in a separate septic

[1:28:47] Voice 7: system or if you have to put in a separate well or whatever you need to do the economics there

[1:28:53] Voice 7: the infrastructure is is a lot um if you're building two smaller houses we've heard that

[1:29:00] Voice 7: you know you're just spreading the cost over two houses but i'm just wondering the question that i

[1:29:05] Voice 7: I do have is if you're using the same water well for two houses does that then become a small

[1:29:14] Voice 7: water system with extra requirements put in place and I wonder about that the other thing that I'd

[1:29:22] Voice 7: like to just offer is that I my understanding is that for single family homes that you can have

[1:29:28] Voice 7: rainwater catchment and make that your primary water source I think that that's already available

[1:29:33] Voice 7: through VHA regulations so perhaps we can have more discussion about that

[1:29:39] Voice 7: going forward and that could be one of the solutions is through the rainwater

[1:29:45] Voice 7: catchment for sure and I really it's been brought up already that the

[1:29:52] Voice 7: flexibility I Mr. Mackey brought up that the increased flexibility in this in the

[1:29:57] Voice 7: solution is is welcomed

[1:30:00] Voice 7: And I agree with that.

[1:30:01] Voice 7: And that's all I have to say.

[1:30:03] Voice 7: Thank you very much for bringing this forward.

[1:30:06] Voice 7: I think it's a multi-pronged solution

[1:30:07] Voice 7: that we need to have for the need for housing on our island.

[1:30:12] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[1:30:13] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much, Deborah.

[1:30:14] Trustee Rogers: Nice to see you.

[1:30:15] Voice 7: Nice to see you.

[1:30:16] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:30:22] Trustee Rogers: Well, I'm not seeing any hands.

[1:30:25] Trustee Rogers: We had scheduled a bit longer,

[1:30:28] Trustee Rogers: but we're happy to um retreat to the sunshine for the afternoon goodness knows how often we're going

[1:30:36] Trustee Rogers: to see that again in the um in the next little while um can

[1:30:41] Voice 3: i speak for a sec

[1:30:42] Trustee Rogers: absolutely i was

[1:30:44] Trustee Rogers: just going to invite you and david to speak yeah

[1:30:46] Voice 3: yeah i don't know why my signal keeps going but

[1:30:49] Voice 3: um so a couple of things that didn't come up and when we talked about costs of building

[1:30:53] Voice 3: We didn't talk about, you know, what if I want to just build a duplex?

[1:30:58] Voice 3: There's some price saving if I build a duplex or if I build a fourplex.

[1:31:04] Voice 3: So there are ways to reduce building costs in terms of water systems.

[1:31:10] Voice 3: Yes, if you have three houses and one well, that's going to be an extra cost.

[1:31:15] Voice 3: But nonetheless, this is about people having some creativity and having other options.

[1:31:21] Voice 3: The question of what kind of maximum floor area, I don't think that was mentioned, but what I see is that we currently have a 20% lot coverage, and I believe that if we're going to give more density, then we need to reduce the lot coverage, that that's kind of environmentally we need to come up with some kind of guideline that made sense where you were covering less area.

[1:31:45] Voice 3: So you're not going to build three 2,000-square-foot houses.

[1:31:49] Voice 3: You're going to build something that makes sense.

[1:31:52] Voice 3: So I think we also need to talk about the maximum house size within this new zoning, something that makes sense for the island.

[1:32:01] Voice 3: A vast majority of houses built in the island are of a very, very reasonable size.

[1:32:06] Voice 3: And I'm not going to presume to state just what is a reasonable size.

[1:32:10] Voice 3: but I do think we need to look at, you know, what we would consider as the maximum and possibly as

[1:32:17] Voice 3: a minimum. So that hasn't come up yet. The tiny homes on wheels, yeah, I understand where that's

[1:32:24] Voice 3: coming from. And definitely, you know, I don't think any of us would want any of these to be

[1:32:29] Voice 3: rented as short-term vacation rentals. The bed and breakfast issue came up for the Village Bay

[1:32:34] Voice 3: Baywater District. And that's another issue that we maybe need to visit. You know, they're flat

[1:32:41] Voice 3: out permitted use as a home occupation. We may have to consider limiting how many bed and breakfast

[1:32:48] Voice 3: operate, perhaps grandfathering some that are there. So those are just a couple of extra things

[1:32:52] Voice 3: that I think we didn't

[1:32:53] Voice 8: actually come up with. Thank you. Anything from you, Trustee Mott, before we

[1:33:09] Voice 15: nothing too specific just thanking everybody for for the wonderful input and i'm sure planner

[1:33:15] Voice 15: chadwick has got pages and pages and pages of notes that sort of give her a road forward which

[1:33:20] Voice 15: i look forward to seeing it's this is a fascinating process and a very positive one and i look forward

[1:33:26] Voice 15: to a somewhat speedy conclusion to it that works for the island thank you thanks trustee mod

[1:33:34] Trustee Rogers: But Planner Chadwick, do you want to add anything before?

[1:33:39] Voice 16: I just wanted to thank everybody for their input.

[1:33:42] Voice 16: It's really useful.

[1:33:43] Voice 16: And to get the different perspectives from people that, you know,

[1:33:48] Voice 16: are experiencing water use and experiencing, you know,

[1:33:51] Voice 16: different things in different parts of the island is very helpful.

[1:33:55] Voice 16: So thank you.

[1:33:56] Voice 16: Thank you very much.

[1:33:58] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[1:33:59] Trustee Rogers: And, you know, I would echo all of that, of course,

[1:34:05] Trustee Rogers: and say we're very thankful for that

[1:34:09] Trustee Rogers: and the variety of different points of view as well

[1:34:11] Trustee Rogers: in terms of, and thanks for those

[1:34:15] Trustee Rogers: who actually provided some answers for us as well

[1:34:17] Trustee Rogers: when they came up.

[1:34:19] Trustee Rogers: So thanks very much.

[1:34:21] Trustee Rogers: This project will unfold over the next number of months.

[1:34:25] Trustee Rogers: I should, and then I just want to put a plug in.

[1:34:29] Trustee Rogers: Of course, we have our regular LTC meeting

[1:34:32] Trustee Rogers: next Monday on the 25th.

[1:34:35] Trustee Rogers: same channel uh same time one o'clock uh and uh you can find of course our agenda uh actually i'm

[1:34:44] Trustee Rogers: not sure it's up yet is it up yet i i've lost track i've got too many maple is it up um so the

[1:34:50] Voice 11: agenda's gonna be up this afternoon we're just experiencing a little bit busier um season so

[1:34:55] Voice 11: yeah shortly it will be up yeah

[1:34:57] Trustee Rogers: that's fine okay so it isn't up but it'll be up probably tonight

[1:35:00] Trustee Rogers: night and certainly by tomorrow it'll be up our agenda is up and uh we again start at one o'clock

[1:35:05] Trustee Rogers: and you're always welcome to join us of course um for that uh with that i think we'll just uh

[1:35:11] Trustee Rogers: not seeing any hands we'll just call it a day and thank you again and enjoy the rest of the

[1:35:16] Trustee Rogers: beautiful sunny afternoon i'm going out to see if there's any warmth left in the sun thanks maple

[1:35:22] Trustee Rogers: Thanks,

[1:35:23] Voice 8: everybody. Bye-bye.

[1:35:24] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Lauren. Take care. Bye-bye. Thanks, RPM. Or he's gone, I think. Anyway, Roberta, Robert. Bye-bye.