Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, April 15, 2021

[0:00:01] Trustee Rogers: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the April 15th regular meeting of the Gabriola Local Trust

[0:00:11] Trustee Rogers: Committee. Thank you for joining us. We now have seven attendees and people may join us as we go

[0:00:19] Trustee Rogers: along. My name is Dan Rogers and I'd like to start the meeting by acknowledging with gratitude,

[0:00:26] Trustee Rogers: to, and especially on days like today, but at all times, how privileged and happy we

[0:00:32] Trustee Rogers: are to be able to meet and gather and work and live across the territories of the Coast

[0:00:40] Trustee Rogers: Salish people.

[0:00:41] Trustee Rogers: And of course, if you're on Gabriola this morning, then you are in the traditional territories

[0:00:47] Trustee Rogers: of the Tsunamik First Nation and, of course, other Coast Salish peoples have used and lived

[0:00:54] Trustee Rogers: in these areas for millennium.

[0:00:56] Trustee Rogers: I'm joining you this morning from the traditional territories of the Musqueam,

[0:01:00] Trustee Rogers: Tsleil-Waututh, and Squamish peoples. I'm very happy to be doing that and

[0:01:08] Trustee Rogers: so I wanted to start the meeting by making that acknowledgement and asking if either of the other

[0:01:14] Trustee Rogers: trustees wish to indicate where they're joining from an acknowledgement. Your trustees, I'll start

[0:01:20] Trustee Rogers: would Trustee Longerise introduce you from Gabriola?

[0:01:24] Voice 13: Yes, I'd also want to acknowledge my gratitude

[0:01:28] Voice 13: to have been lived for so many years

[0:01:30] Voice 13: on the Sanemo First Nation territory,

[0:01:33] Voice 13: land that they've protected and cared for,

[0:01:36] Voice 13: as Trustee Rogers said, for millennia

[0:01:40] Voice 13: and kept in a relatively beautiful state environmentally.

[0:01:46] Voice 13: So I do appreciate the fact that I have been here that long.

[0:01:50] Voice 13: thank you trustee

[0:01:51] Trustee Rogers: on your eyes and trustee colburn of course yeah

[0:01:54] Voice 20: i'm here on wassumi

[0:01:55] Voice 20: letson which is means closer together and it's uh twin beaches gabriel sands and and i echo

[0:02:00] Voice 20: everything you've said and thank you for sharing that

[0:02:02] Trustee Rogers: thank you trustee colbert so i'd like to uh

[0:02:05] Trustee Rogers: before we i sort of lay out the agenda is sort of introduce some of the folks you see on the screen

[0:02:10] Trustee Rogers: today um first of all i'm going to start with the um the planners and of course you'll see rpm

[0:02:17] Trustee Rogers: RPM, Heather Cower is with us, regional planning manager.

[0:02:20] Trustee Rogers: I shouldn't, I'm always criticized for using the short forms,

[0:02:23] Trustee Rogers: but RPM stands for regional planning manager.

[0:02:25] Trustee Rogers: So Heather, thanks for joining us.

[0:02:27] Trustee Rogers: And of course, Island Planner, Sonia Zubinich.

[0:02:30] Trustee Rogers: Hi, Sonia.

[0:02:31] Trustee Rogers: Nice to see you again.

[0:02:33] Trustee Rogers: I see Planner Ian Cox is with us as well.

[0:02:36] Trustee Rogers: And we'll be hearing from Planner Cox a little later in the agenda.

[0:02:41] Trustee Rogers: Nice to see you.

[0:02:42] Trustee Rogers: And Planner Teresa.

[0:02:44] Trustee Rogers: And I'm sorry, Teresa.

[0:02:46] Trustee Rogers: Lisa, I knew your prior name, and I'm not sure I can pronounce your last name correctly.

[0:02:50] Trustee Rogers: Could you, is it Mahigwa?

[0:02:53] Voice 10: Mahigwa.

[0:02:54] Voice 10: Mahigwa, yeah.

[0:02:56] Trustee Rogers: Mahigwa.

[0:02:58] Trustee Rogers: So she'll be joining us a little later as well.

[0:03:00] Trustee Rogers: And of course, we have our recorder, Nadine Moreau, who you'll hear me talk to from time to time.

[0:03:05] Trustee Rogers: Nadine does a wonderful job doing our minutes, et cetera.

[0:03:09] Trustee Rogers: and behind the scenes is the inimitable Will Cottingham who runs the Spaceship Trust Council

[0:03:19] Trustee Rogers: LTC that today he's running all of the controls and you'll also hear me talk to Will from time

[0:03:25] Trustee Rogers: to time. So nice to see you Will. Mostly who you'll see on screen today is myself, the trustees

[0:03:33] Trustee Rogers: and then from time to time the planners will come on. So just a little bit of background this is a

[0:03:38] Trustee Rogers: a continuation after a year of continuing our electronic and virtual meetings. We are doing

[0:03:46] Trustee Rogers: that in accordance with the public health orders. As you all will know, given that you, you know,

[0:03:53] Trustee Rogers: if anybody reads the news, the numbers of infections are actually, for COVID, are actually

[0:03:59] Trustee Rogers: increasing again. They call it the third wave, I gather. Anyway, where it's the public health

[0:04:06] Trustee Rogers: health orders if we're not gathering in person. It's been over a year since I've had the

[0:04:11] Trustee Rogers: privilege of being on Gabriola. I really wish I could be there rather than

[0:04:16] Trustee Rogers: here in Vancouver, where I am joining you from today. And so this process is that

[0:04:24] Trustee Rogers: we work our way through the agenda. This is our way we do continue with our public

[0:04:31] Trustee Rogers: public-facing meetings and our transparency. You will see us discussing matters on screen

[0:04:40] Trustee Rogers: and we will have all our discussions until we go in camera, in public. This matter is being

[0:04:47] Trustee Rogers: broadcast and there's a webinar that you can join and those of you that are in our attendees list

[0:04:53] Trustee Rogers: have joined the webinar as well. It's being recorded and will end up on the website in a

[0:04:57] Trustee Rogers: in a few days i say two to three it seems to show up there and so you can go back and watch this

[0:05:03] Trustee Rogers: the the meeting and everything that was said um uh in the future if you if you wish uh so those

[0:05:10] Trustee Rogers: of you who are joining us um uh on the broadcast can go back or you anybody else can join us as

[0:05:16] Trustee Rogers: well um it is not a until such time as you are promoted and unmuted you will not have enough

[0:05:23] Trustee Rogers: You won't be able to speak, you'll only hear us,

[0:05:26] Trustee Rogers: but there are times in the meeting

[0:05:28] Trustee Rogers: when you will have an opportunity to speak to us.

[0:05:31] Trustee Rogers: If you're an applicant, you will be promoted

[0:05:34] Trustee Rogers: when your application comes on our agenda

[0:05:38] Trustee Rogers: and you will be able to turn on your camera

[0:05:40] Trustee Rogers: and be able to unmute yourself

[0:05:41] Trustee Rogers: and be able to participate in the conversation.

[0:05:44] Trustee Rogers: And of course, the same will go through

[0:05:46] Trustee Rogers: during our town hall when you will again

[0:05:49] Trustee Rogers: have the opportunity to address the local trust committee

[0:05:52] Trustee Rogers: committee and be able to speak. But in other times during the meeting, you will be hearing

[0:06:01] Trustee Rogers: the trustees speak amongst each other and with staff as we go forward, much like we would do

[0:06:06] Trustee Rogers: as we were in the hall on Gabriel today instead of on this virtual meeting. So we have been doing

[0:06:16] Trustee Rogers: this for a year. Mostly, we've got most of the glitch cell system, but from time to time,

[0:06:22] Trustee Rogers: there are technical problems and if there is a technical problem we apologize and we'll try and

[0:06:26] Trustee Rogers: work through and get it fixed for you as soon as we can. So it's usually a connectivity issue

[0:06:33] Trustee Rogers: and I'll explain to you how you can participate in the meeting when we get to that point in time.

[0:06:39] Trustee Rogers: So other than that we have an agenda before us. I should add that there is an indication in the

[0:06:46] Trustee Rogers: the first part of the agenda that we would do a rise report

[0:06:48] Trustee Rogers: from the closed meeting of March the 4th.

[0:06:52] Trustee Rogers: I should say, we actually did that.

[0:06:55] Trustee Rogers: I see from the minutes and there was nothing to report

[0:06:58] Trustee Rogers: from the closed meeting of March the 4th.

[0:07:01] Trustee Rogers: So that will not be necessary.

[0:07:03] Trustee Rogers: So I'll turn to the trustees and ask if there's anything

[0:07:08] Trustee Rogers: you'd like to add or change in terms of the,

[0:07:13] Trustee Rogers: seeing nothing from trustee Lange,

[0:07:14] Trustee Rogers: I've seen nothing from trustee Colburn.

[0:07:16] Trustee Rogers: so then we'll take the agenda adopted as presented so thank you very much so we're going to start the

[0:07:24] Trustee Rogers: meeting and the first item on the agenda are the trustee reports and i'll turn to who would like

[0:07:30] Trustee Rogers: to go first today whoever unmutes first can go there you

[0:07:34] Voice 20: go i believe i believe trustee long

[0:07:37] Voice 20: guys went first last time so okay um a short update from me this i've taken a couple weeks

[0:07:43] Voice 20: um since the last meeting to uh study and take the first responder medical license test which i

[0:07:49] Voice 20: passed last week so i'm happy to get that done um uh so i'm a little bit behind on correspondence

[0:07:59] Voice 20: and some and some trust things because that took a good amount of mental time i did take part in

[0:08:04] Voice 20: the columbia institute which is a think tank a bc-based think tank devoted to social equity

[0:08:10] Voice 20: and sustainable communities and they did an event called high ground I took part in one of the three

[0:08:16] Voice 20: day sessions they did got a chance to spend some time with Minister Jones de Osborne with George

[0:08:23] Voice 20: Hayman the Minister of the Environment and some civic elected folks from across both BC and Canada

[0:08:32] Voice 20: and took part in a diversity equity and inclusion session for local governments which I found

[0:08:36] Voice 20: fascinating and very illuminating about what's happening in other jurisdictions some quite close

[0:08:41] Voice 20: by but very far away from us in the way that they're going about their business so a lot of

[0:08:46] Voice 20: learning down there and I also attended a trust programs committee meeting which I don't think

[0:08:55] Voice 20: much happened at sadly enough so I think we're meeting again soon so a short report from me this

[0:09:01] Voice 20: this this month okay

[0:09:06] Trustee Rogers: go ahead trustee all

[0:09:08] Voice 13: right yeah yeah i i have a relatively short

[0:09:11] Voice 13: report as well uh basically a lot of continuation of the work on some of the committees uh the

[0:09:17] Voice 13: regional planning committee we're still working on the model fee bylaw and we had hoped we

[0:09:23] Voice 13: would be further along but our target now is to have something uh for the june trust

[0:09:28] Voice 13: Council, a model bylaw, and just a couple of technical issues that arose that need to be

[0:09:35] Voice 13: addressed. The Trust Programs Committee attended that as well, as Trustee Colburn mentioned, and

[0:09:41] Voice 13: yes, we didn't accomplish a lot. A couple issues arose when we thought we'd be able to distribute

[0:09:47] Voice 13: some money to some agencies through the Secretariat Services. We have something to deal

[0:09:54] Voice 13: deal with. Anyway,

[0:09:55] Voice 13: it was a long conversation with a decision to get more advice before we

[0:10:01] Voice 13: move ahead. The steering committee that I'm on in regards to the governance review,

[0:10:06] Voice 13: we're carrying on. We're now having a small subgroup who are doing the evaluations of the

[0:10:13] Voice 13: applications for the governance review, and hopefully that will be decided upon in the next

[0:10:20] Voice 13: few days um that uh trust council well that every i think everybody's a lot of discussion about trust

[0:10:30] Voice 13: council about the full day discussion i i think it was a worthwhile process to go through to have

[0:10:35] Voice 13: that long you know full day discussion on a number of the issues so um other thing was that i attended

[0:10:43] Voice 13: Dr. Risa Smith's webinar on using nature's way to fight the climate crisis. She lives on

[0:10:52] Voice 13: Galliano, and this is sponsored by the Salt Spring Solutions and the Salt Spring Conservancy.

[0:10:57] Voice 13: Her talk was very interesting. We often think that we talk about trees being the big carbon

[0:11:08] Voice 13: but in fact, it's the soil as well.

[0:11:10] Voice 13: The soil actually holds more carbon than the trees.

[0:11:14] Voice 13: So what's below us is as crucial

[0:11:16] Voice 13: as what's above the ground.

[0:11:21] Voice 13: The other interesting part was the carbon sink

[0:11:24] Voice 13: in terms of trees at the above ground,

[0:11:27] Voice 13: there's a band across the Northern part of the world,

[0:11:30] Voice 13: Canada, Northern Canada, Russia, et cetera,

[0:11:32] Voice 13: that has a high carbon sink.

[0:11:34] Voice 13: And that's some of the muskeg, you know,

[0:11:36] Voice 13: what we don't think of it you know we think of as a little more barren but in fact it's a very

[0:11:42] Voice 13: dense carbon sink and then a smaller band around the equator and the tropical forests but we

[0:11:48] Voice 13: actually hold more in the northern regions than in the south in the equatorial area so

[0:11:53] Voice 13: that was interesting and the other fact factors she showed was the ocean

[0:12:04] Voice 13: emits about 40 gigatons of carbon dioxide a year but absorbs 50 tons so there's it's a net sink of

[0:12:13] Voice 13: about 10 ton the land as well is about the same but the emissions human generated emissions so

[0:12:20] Voice 13: there's a 10 gigaton balance on the land and water but so 20 in total but we emit about 80

[0:12:29] Voice 13: gigatons of co2 every year so that's where the deficit comes in because of the emissions that

[0:12:36] Voice 13: we're uh you know we're we're producing so a lot of that factual information and the webinar will

[0:12:42] Voice 13: be available at some point and it's worthwhile watching it's about an hour and a half but

[0:12:47] Voice 13: a very very interesting person she is the uh i can't remember the title but she's the chair of

[0:12:53] Voice 13: the world commission on protected areas climate change specialist group uh so a renowned person so

[0:13:01] Voice 13: they're well worth watching the other thing is i don't know if this are you know the local planning

[0:13:07] Voice 13: services review uh local planning services renewal process is undergoing and we're we now have sort

[0:13:15] Voice 13: were dedicated planners for the islands in our area and Heather Carver's lead on that restructuring

[0:13:24] Voice 13: so and that's that seems to be going well so that's about it thanks.

[0:13:33] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much trustees

[0:13:34] Trustee Rogers: and thank you for all the work you do I also sit on the trust programs committee so have the

[0:13:39] Trustee Rogers: the the fortune I won't say it was good or bad to be in a meeting where we we didn't make a

[0:13:45] Trustee Rogers: a decision after four hours anyway um uh but just to just a heads up the trust programs committee

[0:13:52] Trustee Rogers: the plan is uh we will see sort of a draft of where we're going with the trust policy statement

[0:13:59] Trustee Rogers: on may the third i think the date is now so that's coming that work is going on within that

[0:14:04] Trustee Rogers: the trust area services group the staff group that works on the on the trust policy statement

[0:14:10] Trustee Rogers: and the plan is that is that the trust policy committee the trust programs committee sorry tpc

[0:14:17] Trustee Rogers: will be uh reviewing sort of some of those documents in the early may with the idea that

[0:14:23] Trustee Rogers: it would come to trust council in june um dates yet to be announced uh so yes trust council was

[0:14:30] Trustee Rogers: uh in march it seems like many years ago but it was only it was only a month ago um that we had

[0:14:38] Trustee Rogers: Trust Council and we haven't had a meeting on Gabriela since. We did adopt a budget.

[0:14:45] Trustee Rogers: There was an announcement about what was in that budget and what wasn't. A number of programs were

[0:14:53] Trustee Rogers: approved to be funded including around eelgrass mapping and water and other initiatives mostly

[0:15:02] Trustee Rogers: mostly focused on attempts to address climate change and ecosystem protection.

[0:15:12] Trustee Rogers: A lot of that's in there.

[0:15:14] Trustee Rogers: There are also some fundings for some special larger projects on Salt Spring around Gadgie's Village and affordable housing,

[0:15:23] Trustee Rogers: which the theory would be would provide useful guidance and information for the rest of the trust as well.

[0:15:31] Trustee Rogers: in addition to a lot of work going on the trust conservancy there's been a number of grants

[0:15:39] Trustee Rogers: received there's a large water grant that we're rolling out right now which will help us with our

[0:15:44] Trustee Rogers: reconciliation reach out to actions with the various first nations and also work around

[0:15:52] Trustee Rogers: mapping and planning and understanding water resources and of course the conservancy is

[0:15:59] Trustee Rogers: working on uh species at risk there's a we got a we were successful in getting a grant

[0:16:05] Trustee Rogers: um to do work for three years on species at risk in the in the uh the trust area so that work is

[0:16:12] Trustee Rogers: unfolding as we speak as well um as well we funded an additional bylaw enforcement officer which is

[0:16:19] Trustee Rogers: recruiting right now um and we had the fulsome discussion that trustee longer has mentioned

[0:16:25] Trustee Rogers: around the Trust Policy Statement to give guidance to the staff related to the broad

[0:16:34] Trustee Rogers: outline of what will be included in the Trust Policy Statement. We've had a couple of executive

[0:16:42] Trustee Rogers: committee meetings since the Trust Council. That work continues and there's quite a bit

[0:16:49] Trustee Rogers: going on internally in the organization as we work through the governance review and

[0:16:54] Trustee Rogers: and other issues uh lots of lots of work going on we've had i had a meeting with the minister

[0:17:00] Trustee Rogers: for example with the minister of municipal affairs um that i was part of with the chair

[0:17:06] Trustee Rogers: and uh the cao to discuss um our request for uh some additional authority around tree cutting

[0:17:14] Trustee Rogers: that we were well received and that was a good meeting we of course don't have any indication

[0:17:20] Trustee Rogers: as to where that's going at this stage,

[0:17:23] Trustee Rogers: but we'll see what the response from the ministry is.

[0:17:26] Trustee Rogers: And there have been a number of discussions with Flynn Row by staff,

[0:17:33] Trustee Rogers: mostly staff to staff, around all of the work we're doing around forestry

[0:17:38] Trustee Rogers: and trying to figure out ways forward on the various initiatives

[0:17:43] Trustee Rogers: we have to protect the forestry in the area.

[0:17:45] Trustee Rogers: is um i just one other note i should tell you that on behalf of the trust i'm now sitting on the

[0:17:54] Trustee Rogers: provincial advisory committee on short-term rentals um trying to get the names right

[0:18:03] Trustee Rogers: uh chair luckham was sitting on it but he's he was feeling a bit um overwhelmed and they've

[0:18:08] Trustee Rogers: started to work again uh it's a group of uh various uh local governments around the province

[0:18:15] Trustee Rogers: and the trust as well has been invited to join

[0:18:18] Trustee Rogers: to give advice to the province around issues

[0:18:21] Trustee Rogers: around short-term rentals

[0:18:23] Trustee Rogers: and how that impacts housing, et cetera,

[0:18:25] Trustee Rogers: and other issues in the province.

[0:18:28] Trustee Rogers: I have my first meeting in relation

[0:18:30] Trustee Rogers: that I'll be attending.

[0:18:32] Trustee Rogers: They've already had a couple of meetings

[0:18:34] Trustee Rogers: that I wasn't at.

[0:18:35] Trustee Rogers: I'll have my first meeting with that group next Wednesday.

[0:18:38] Trustee Rogers: And I'm gathering information around issues

[0:18:41] Trustee Rogers: around short-term rentals on the various islands, et cetera.

[0:18:48] Trustee Rogers: So I think that's all I wanted to report on today.

[0:18:52] Voice 15: Happy

[0:18:52] Trustee Rogers: to be back and working on the important issues

[0:18:56] Trustee Rogers: on Gabriola today.

[0:18:58] Trustee Rogers: Just looking to see if there was anything else

[0:19:01] Trustee Rogers: in my agenda I want to report on.

[0:19:02] Trustee Rogers: I don't see anything, so I'll just leave it there.

[0:19:04] Trustee Rogers: So the next item on our agenda

[0:19:06] Trustee Rogers: is the Electoral Area Director's Report.

[0:19:09] Trustee Rogers: and unfortunately director craig could not be here today um so i'm going to but she sent us

[0:19:15] Trustee Rogers: as she always does a written report which we'll get on to the website um at some point but but

[0:19:22] Trustee Rogers: it came last night so i'm just going to read it out for her and we can pretend that director craig

[0:19:28] Trustee Rogers: is here uh she says unfortunately i'm unable to attend in person this month due to a conflicting

[0:19:34] Trustee Rogers: the RDN meeting. Here's her update. There's a public hearing today starting at 3 p.m. for the

[0:19:39] Trustee Rogers: Nanaimo Airport Amendment Bylaws 16-1504. I won't read those out. The hearing is available for

[0:19:45] Trustee Rogers: viewing online and interested residents can also speak during the hearing. All the input will be

[0:19:51] Trustee Rogers: received by the board, all of the background documents as well as instructions on how to

[0:19:55] Trustee Rogers: participate are, it's called getinvolved.rdn.ca airport. So that's at three o'clock today.

[0:20:03] Trustee Rogers: And it's on our agenda in a bit as well.

[0:20:06] Trustee Rogers: The RDN's Emergency Planning Coordinator, Melissa Tomlinson, will provide a free online session about the Neighborhood Emergency Preparedness Planning Program.

[0:20:16] Trustee Rogers: The NEPP promotes emergency preparedness strength within neighborhoods.

[0:20:19] Trustee Rogers: Attendees get a chance to win some great emergency-related prizes.

[0:20:23] Trustee Rogers: The webinar will be held Tuesday, April 20th from 2 to 3, 30 p.m.

[0:20:31] Trustee Rogers: uh there's an email and a number which you'll have to get from i don't want to repeat those

[0:20:38] Trustee Rogers: because you'll never write them down to register and receive a link to the online presentation but

[0:20:42] Trustee Rogers: it's emergency services at rdn.pc.ca another support structure of our community's emergency

[0:20:49] Trustee Rogers: response is in place now the community hall has a generator financed by the rdn congratulations

[0:20:54] Trustee Rogers: and thanks to the community hall board for their perseverance in meeting the criteria to become a

[0:20:59] Trustee Rogers: designated emergency reception center in the event of emergency when activated through the

[0:21:05] Trustee Rogers: rdn emergency management pc the hall will be able to service an official reception

[0:21:11] Trustee Rogers: there's quite a bit of activity on the emergency preparedness file on gabriel in addition to the

[0:21:16] Trustee Rogers: new emergency reception center there's grant funding that will support evacuation route

[0:21:20] Trustee Rogers: planning for gabriel and the grant funding to support the development of a community wildfire

[0:21:27] Trustee Rogers: resiliency plan as well as fuel management prescriptions for the 707 community park

[0:21:32] Trustee Rogers: the RDM received a grant for emergency group lodging supplies some of which have been placed

[0:21:38] Trustee Rogers: on Gabriel the tender package for constructing the skate park and other aspects of phase two

[0:21:44] Trustee Rogers: of Huxley park is out and closes in a couple of weeks once we receive the bids we'll have a better

[0:21:50] Trustee Rogers: idea of the timeline of the project with continued goal of having the project completed in 2021

[0:21:55] Trustee Rogers: 2021. During the Committee of the Whole meeting this week, the Committee received the following

[0:21:59] Trustee Rogers: reports which might be of interest. I'm happy to send a copy of them if you're interested.

[0:22:04] Trustee Rogers: A corporate carbon neutral 2032 plan, a wetland mapping and monitoring five-year research

[0:22:11] Trustee Rogers: partnership summary report. This includes data from wetlands across the RDM, including

[0:22:16] Trustee Rogers: five wetlands on Gabriola. A report on an ecological accounting process for the Millstone

[0:22:23] Trustee Rogers: Stone River. This was a pilot project for the RDN test to refine the ecological accounting

[0:22:32] Trustee Rogers: process which might be expanded to other areas. The process assigns a financial value to the

[0:22:37] Trustee Rogers: same corridor and riparian area. The assessment found that only 21% of the riparian area along

[0:22:43] Trustee Rogers: the river was considered good. Nonetheless, the asset value was considered as $5.5 million

[0:22:49] Trustee Rogers: dollars per kilometer or 79.7 million dollars in total. I was acclaimed as the electoral area

[0:22:57] Trustee Rogers: representative on AVICC executive for 2021-2022. I've also been appointed as the AVICC representative

[0:23:06] Trustee Rogers: on the Southern Resident Killer Whale Indigenous and Multi-Stakeholder Advisory Group.

[0:23:12] Trustee Rogers: The 2021 management measures to protect the SRKW, there's a link to that as well.

[0:23:19] Trustee Rogers: And then upcoming, there's an Electoral Area Services Committee meeting on May 6th and June 7th, and Committee of the Whole on May 11th and June 8th, and the next RDM board meetings are on April 27th and May 25th.

[0:23:35] Trustee Rogers: So, again, if we could get, just say to Will, if you could put that up on the website or whomever does that, whether it might be Penny, but that's the end of that report.

[0:23:46] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so thank you again for Director Craig for all of her wholesome report. The next item on the agenda is the 3.4, which is a First Nations report. This is an opportunity for either of the trustee, any of the trustees to report on any engagement they've had with First Nations. Yeah, Trustee Cole.

[0:24:07] Trustee Rogers: Yeah,

[0:24:07] Voice 20: we held a meeting with Sinemuk, with Chief Weiss and councillors, several councillors,

[0:24:15] Voice 20: Billy Oakham and Aralyn Thomas, Thomas Joseph. Lisa Wilcox from the Trust took part, as did

[0:24:25] Voice 20: Chair Luckham, and so it was kind of a reaffirmation of the protocol agreement between the Islands

[0:24:31] Voice 20: Trust on behalf of the Gabriel Local Trust Committee and Sinemuk First Nation, and a

[0:24:35] Voice 20: commitment to work um to kind of revitalize that that protocol agreement and to to reopen and re

[0:24:43] Voice 20: reappraise what it means now and it's an opportunity to do that and build relationships

[0:24:48] Voice 20: at the same time so we have another meeting scheduled um coming up uh in april um to to

[0:24:54] Voice 20: discuss that further so i'd like to check thank um chair luckham for taking part in that and

[0:24:58] Voice 20: and representing Trust Council.

[0:25:01] Voice 20: And we discussed several other matters,

[0:25:05] Voice 20: the BC Ferries terminal application.

[0:25:07] Voice 20: They did have a meeting with BC Ferries.

[0:25:10] Voice 20: The people at the table have changed

[0:25:14] Voice 20: and there's hopes that that process

[0:25:17] Voice 20: will continue in a good way.

[0:25:20] Voice 20: So I'm sure we'll hear more about that

[0:25:22] Voice 20: from the proponents and from Sunimoc in the future,

[0:25:26] Voice 20: sure. But apparently they had a productive discussion once they changed some of the

[0:25:34] Voice 20: people at the table, which happens. So that's that meeting. And if anyone hasn't had a chance

[0:25:41] Voice 20: to look at the protocol agreement, this is a really good time to do so. It's posted on the

[0:25:46] Voice 20: website and it's about seven pages or so. And we'll be going into that deeper in the coming

[0:25:53] Voice 20: coming weeks and months thanks

[0:25:57] Voice 21: trustee Colburn trustee Liner do you have anything you'd like to

[0:26:00] Voice 21: report yeah

[0:26:00] Voice 13: just that I will be attending a webinar on the site c with chief Roland Wilson

[0:26:07] Voice 13: and that's happening on April the 20th from 5 to 7 p.m and I would encourage people to

[0:26:12] Voice 13: check in on that if they can sign up for that webinar he's a very I attended one of his other

[0:26:18] Voice 13: webinars a while ago on site c and he's a very knowledgeable very well-spoken person who

[0:26:23] Voice 13: understands the issues that they face in the peace with the dam and the impacts on the environment

[0:26:29] Voice 13: and their lands you know with this dam so that's well worth it so that's it okay

[0:26:36] Trustee Rogers: thanks and i have

[0:26:37] Trustee Rogers: nothing to report that's gabriel is specific so i'll just um leave it at that i of course

[0:26:43] Trustee Rogers: have on other activities related to the trust involvement with the first nations but um

[0:26:50] Trustee Rogers: So that brings us to the town hall and this is your opportunity for members of the Gabriel community to address the local trust committee on issues either on our agenda or not on our agenda that you'd like to address to us.

[0:27:09] Trustee Rogers: I would remind you that we are post-public hearing on the Paisley Place affordable housing project and that until the bylaws are either adopted or not adopted, so that process is finished, we're not in a position to receive any further comments related to the two bylaws related to the amendments to the land use bylaw and the OCP.

[0:27:37] Trustee Rogers: so please don't address those.

[0:27:39] Trustee Rogers: Other than that, if you are wishing to speak

[0:27:42] Trustee Rogers: to the trust committee, I'd ask you to please put your,

[0:27:46] Trustee Rogers: you'll find a raise hand button

[0:27:49] Trustee Rogers: in the middle of your screen.

[0:27:51] Trustee Rogers: I remind you and you put your hand up and I'll call on you.

[0:27:55] Trustee Rogers: And then I'll ask Will to promote you

[0:27:58] Trustee Rogers: so you'll be able to turn your camera on if you wish.

[0:28:00] Trustee Rogers: I remind you of our expectations related

[0:28:05] Trustee Rogers: related to any comments in this process,

[0:28:11] Trustee Rogers: remembering that this is a safe place

[0:28:13] Trustee Rogers: and it will be maintained as such,

[0:28:15] Trustee Rogers: that this is a workplace for all of the trustees

[0:28:17] Trustee Rogers: and the staff.

[0:28:18] Trustee Rogers: I ask you to address all of your comments

[0:28:20] Trustee Rogers: to the local trust committee.

[0:28:21] Trustee Rogers: I ask you to not address personalities,

[0:28:24] Trustee Rogers: but issues and also keep your language appropriate.

[0:28:28] Trustee Rogers: In my experience on Gabriola, that that's not an issue,

[0:28:31] Trustee Rogers: but I would just remind you of those considerations so with that in mind I would turn to the first

[0:28:39] Trustee Rogers: hand I saw which is just an e-stick so if we could promote Ms. Estick and give her the ability

[0:28:46] Trustee Rogers: to unmute

[0:28:47] Voice 14: and speak thank you you can unmute yourself now Ms. Estick okay and

[0:29:05] Voice 16: if you could

[0:29:06] Trustee Rogers: yes we can hear you if you want to turn your camera on you can but otherwise you don't need

[0:29:10] Trustee Rogers: it's up to you

[0:29:11] Voice 16: it's

[0:29:15] Trustee Rogers: up to you oh

[0:29:16] Voice 16: bonjour um two questions um how many just for curiosity how many

[0:29:22] Voice 16: applicants were there for the trust governance review i

[0:29:28] Trustee Rogers: don't know the answer uh

[0:29:29] Voice 13: i actually

[0:29:30] Voice 13: that's a good question i don't know if that's open for disclosure or not it is a confidential

[0:29:35] Voice 13: meeting that we're having to go over that so i at this point in time i'm not prepared to answer that

[0:29:41] Voice 16: Okay, because you

[0:29:43] Voice 13: didn't mention it,

[0:29:43] Voice 16: I was curious. And the other question is, if you are, well, if you are going to receive the Housing Advisory Planning Commission minutes of March the 23rd and April the 1st today.

[0:30:00] Voice 16: Would you intend to withhold any decisions on the recommendation of the commission until next month so that the community has a chance to read, digest, and comment on the recommendations prior to the trust committee making a decision?

[0:30:22] Trustee Rogers: So I'll just say thank you for that. We'll take your that suggestion into account. I don't know what we're going to do with the report at this stage. I haven't heard from staff and I haven't heard from the other trustees.

[0:30:36] Trustee Rogers: But I appreciate your request slash suggestion point of view on that. And I guess we'll see what we do do with it. But thank you for that.

[0:30:47] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:30:49] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for your comments.

[0:30:51] Trustee Rogers: The next person

[0:30:53] Voice 21: I have on the list is Nancy Hetherington-Pierce.

[0:30:56] Voice 14: Welcome, nice to see you again.

[0:31:05] Voice 14: Actually, I don't see you, so there you are.

[0:31:08] Voice 7: Hi, Nancy.

[0:31:09] Voice 7: Hi, thank you.

[0:31:11] Voice 7: I have a question to do with short-term vacation rentals,

[0:31:18] Voice 7: and my question is the standing resolution that the LTC has

[0:31:23] Voice 7: has for proactive enforcement of unlawful STVRs.

[0:31:29] Voice 7: I'm just wondering what the process is

[0:31:32] Voice 7: for carrying out that proactive enforcement.

[0:31:38] Trustee Rogers: So that's, I can answer that to a certain extent.

[0:31:44] Trustee Rogers: That's left to bylaw enforcement

[0:31:47] Trustee Rogers: and which has its own staffing issues.

[0:31:52] Trustee Rogers: issues but the way that they go about doing that is as I understand it is they review the

[0:31:59] Trustee Rogers: the various platforms that advertise short-term vacation rentals and I don't want to pick on

[0:32:08] Trustee Rogers: Airbnb but that's an example I just think it's the most ubiquitous but there are others I know

[0:32:14] Trustee Rogers: anyway they review all of those and they are looking for listings on those and then comparing

[0:32:21] Trustee Rogers: them to those that are legalized. And then if they find them that are not, then they start their own

[0:32:28] Trustee Rogers: process to investigate and take action related to those short-term vacation minutes. I can

[0:32:35] Trustee Rogers: tell you that I was speaking to the director, sorry, he's not a director, he's a manager of

[0:32:42] Trustee Rogers: enforcement. The other day, he was at another meeting and the similar question was asked by

[0:32:49] Trustee Rogers: trustee and they basically his answer was basically yes that's what we do and we're uh we

[0:32:56] Trustee Rogers: just are behind simply because there's uh they they don't have time to keep up with all the

[0:33:03] Trustee Rogers: islands because almost every island i shouldn't say that all the islands that i'm involved in

[0:33:09] Trustee Rogers: and i know others have adopted the proactive enforcement model um and so they're this has

[0:33:16] Trustee Rogers: is added to the burden, which is one of the reasons why we added a bylaw enforcement officer

[0:33:20] Trustee Rogers: to the budget, but it hasn't been hired or filled yet. You may have noticed, just out of

[0:33:29] Trustee Rogers: information, I forgot to mention this in my report. One of the other budget items we added

[0:33:37] Trustee Rogers: was a part-time position. I call it a position because I don't know if it's going to be an

[0:33:43] Trustee Rogers: employee or a contractor but to uh to work on communications around issues like this

[0:33:49] Trustee Rogers: to try and head it off before it's a problem and so um the bylaw enforcement then tries to do that

[0:33:58] Trustee Rogers: but it was having difficulty so the whole idea was to create a a function at least on a temporary

[0:34:05] Trustee Rogers: basis to try and get information out to people before they start to do it so they don't do it

[0:34:10] Trustee Rogers: So that's the process of proactive enforcement. And anyway, that's, I hope that answers your

[0:34:17] Trustee Rogers: question.

[0:34:18] Voice 7: It does. And just one quick follow-up piece, if you don't mind. So the bylaw enforcement

[0:34:22] Voice 7: officers, are there certain ones assigned to certain geographical areas of the trust?

[0:34:30] Trustee Rogers: Yes and no. I think in this world that we live in, anybody can be anywhere.

[0:34:35] Trustee Rogers: where I believe that there's one that actually I assume it's the same one that that is it has

[0:34:43] Trustee Rogers: most of the northern area and you could contact staff to find out that name okay thanks thank you

[0:34:51] Trustee Rogers: thanks thanks very much the next person on the list is

[0:34:57] Voice 14: Toby Ella who is

[0:35:06] Trustee Rogers: the who was the chair of

[0:35:07] Trustee Rogers: of the Housing Advisory Planning Committee Commission.

[0:35:13] Trustee Rogers: I always want to call it committee

[0:35:14] Trustee Rogers: and I realized it's actually called a commission

[0:35:16] Trustee Rogers: for some reason.

[0:35:18] Trustee Rogers: I always want to

[0:35:19] Voice 6: call the LTC a commission.

[0:35:24] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair Rogers.

[0:35:26] Voice 6: And yeah, I don't have much to say just to,

[0:35:31] Voice 6: you know, there's a lot in the housing report

[0:35:35] Voice 6: and there's a lot of recommendations

[0:35:36] Voice 6: and there was further discussion at our april 1st meeting um i guess what i wanted to point out was

[0:35:45] Voice 6: during the process the public consultation we really tried to stick within the confines of

[0:35:53] Voice 6: the ocp and the lub um and not ask for the moon you know not looking for looking to make

[0:36:01] Voice 6: recommendations that trustees can't act on but in the course of sort of wrapping up those

[0:36:07] Voice 6: recommendations from the community group and then reassessing from the point of view of the HAPC

[0:36:13] Voice 6: what needed to be done we did sort of a very fast prioritizing process which you probably see in the

[0:36:25] Voice 6: in the report and I don't know if it was quite if it's quite clear enough um I have some thoughts

[0:36:32] Voice 6: on a strategic approach that um you might consider um but I think yeah so if you want me to speak to

[0:36:41] Voice 6: anything just in terms of the process that we went through um the learning that we did as as a

[0:36:47] Voice 6: commission there was there was a lot of lessons learned and um and just maybe some thoughts or

[0:36:54] Voice 6: clarifications on what we put into the recommendations and and so if there's any

[0:37:01] Voice 6: uncertainty maybe there'd be opportunity at that agenda item point i could speak to that um i'd be

[0:37:08] Voice 6: happy to if you have questions or if we want to have a bit of discussion but i'm here to represent

[0:37:13] Voice 6: the hapsy and just to sort of bring forward what the work that we've done but try to piece it out

[0:37:22] Voice 6: for for the ltc and and hopefully make it a little more clear there's a lot there i recognize that so

[0:37:29] Trustee Rogers: there is um so there's an offer there from from to the trust ltc if if the trustees would like to

[0:37:37] Trustee Rogers: have um the chair uh miss elliott invited to join us or participate in that discussion when we get

[0:37:45] Trustee Rogers: to it i we can either decide that then or we can ask you can decide it now as to whether you'd like

[0:37:50] Trustee Rogers: like to have that opportunity um i sort of leave that to the trustees uh i mean i expect at some

[0:38:00] Trustee Rogers: point we will have a conversation and and but whether that happens today is um is sort of up

[0:38:07] Trustee Rogers: to the trustees you want to wait till we get to there trust me i think

[0:38:11] Voice 20: waiting till we get to

[0:38:12] Voice 20: there makes sense okay that was what i was going to suggest that we do that's

[0:38:17] Trustee Rogers: fine so if you're

[0:38:18] Trustee Rogers: are you going to are you available to stay around we have a few applications to get through before

[0:38:23] Trustee Rogers: we get there yeah thanks very

[0:38:25] Voice 14: much and and

[0:38:26] Trustee Rogers: thank you for all of the hundreds if not thousands of

[0:38:30] Trustee Rogers: hours that your group the working group and uh you're they

[0:38:34] Voice 6: did an amazing job it was it was truly

[0:38:37] Voice 6: a hercularian herculean effort and uh and i applaud the team they were incredible to work

[0:38:45] Voice 6: with so yes please um do thank them and i hope the public gets a chance to thank them for the

[0:38:52] Voice 6: excellent work and the chamber of commerce step forward to to work towards that so i feel it was a

[0:38:57] Voice 6: real community approach to uh to the housing issue well

[0:39:03] Trustee Rogers: perhaps we'll talk to you later

[0:39:05] Trustee Rogers: um thank you very much uh the next person i have on the list is uh bob mckechnie um if we could

[0:39:12] Trustee Rogers: promote Mr. McKechnie and I will tell you Mr. McKechnie I saw your email that came in this

[0:39:16] Trustee Rogers: this morning and it came in about five minutes before the meeting so I really haven't had a

[0:39:21] Trustee Rogers: chance I don't think any of us have a chance to read it yet so yeah

[0:39:26] Voice 17: good morning and I'm sorry

[0:39:27] Voice 17: for the the lateness of that submission but I think it's quite a significant one anyway it has

[0:39:34] Voice 17: to do with the referral that the RDN has given you for the the three bylaws they they want to

[0:39:40] Voice 17: Amanda and I read the information that accompanied it and I think it doesn't it does not give the

[0:39:49] Voice 17: complete picture so I tried to nutshell it in that little thing I sent you this morning

[0:39:56] Voice 17: as you know as you mentioned there's the public hearing is actually going on this afternoon

[0:40:01] Voice 17: and there was a deadline for written submissions from the public yesterday afternoon at 4 30. so

[0:40:08] Voice 17: one of the things in in that thing i sent you at the last minute was i i told you where you

[0:40:14] Voice 17: could look at the submissions that are going into the public hearing and i hope at least one of you

[0:40:19] Voice 17: will attend and listen to what other people have to say about the situation uh when i said it

[0:40:27] Voice 17: doesn't give the complete information that kind of casts it as um this is just uh you know this

[0:40:32] Voice 17: is an animal land use bylaw update and and all that but but it's way way more than that

[0:40:39] Voice 17: um for one thing it it legitimizes the use uh the the airport that's there now is basically

[0:40:48] Voice 17: not zoned for for airport use in fact it's still in the alr and as far as anybody any zoning

[0:40:56] Voice 17: law is concerned i believe it's still in the alr but in the course of uh who knows what happened

[0:41:02] Voice 17: in the 90s, it all of a sudden got turned into airport use, and it's presently non-conforming,

[0:41:09] Voice 17: legal non-conforming. So anyway, one of these bylaws basically embeds airport use into

[0:41:18] Voice 17: the land use zone for that land. The other thing it does, it changes Area A's OCP,

[0:41:28] Voice 17: because Area A's OCP basically specifically says no airport use and I don't have it in front of me

[0:41:36] Voice 17: but I think it also encourages agricultural use and certainly according to many of the citizens

[0:41:42] Voice 17: over there that I'm in touch with they were not properly consulted on the citizens themselves

[0:41:48] Voice 17: were not properly consulted on changing their OCP so that's that's all part of this proposal

[0:41:56] Voice 17: they've put forward now to modify these bylaws.

[0:41:59] Voice 17: Now that what really hasn't been said

[0:42:01] Voice 17: is this Nanaimo Airport, it gives ownership and management,

[0:42:06] Voice 17: complete management control of the airport,

[0:42:09] Voice 17: what they do with it, to a privately held commission,

[0:42:12] Voice 17: the Nanaimo Airport Commission.

[0:42:14] Voice 17: So it has, yeah, that's it.

[0:42:16] Voice 17: It's a privately held thing, public's not involved in it.

[0:42:21] Voice 17: And they have on record a plan, an elaborate plan

[0:42:25] Voice 17: land to expand the Nanaimo airport runway, put in a fueling facility and a small hotel next to the

[0:42:33] Voice 17: highway and a restaurant. And it's quite obvious, although they don't state it, but they have in

[0:42:39] Voice 17: mind that instead of being this kind of a nice little regional airport, they're going to make

[0:42:45] Voice 17: this a fueling stop for long haul jets coming from Europe and basically headed for the Orient

[0:42:52] Voice 17: and for the South Pacific so that anyway that would drastically change the nature of this area

[0:42:57] Voice 17: our island trust area and I know all the people that I've personally talked to about the story

[0:43:03] Voice 17: just outraged that this is all going out I tried to get Gabriela listed as stakeholders early in

[0:43:09] Voice 17: the process and they said no it's really not none of Gabriela's business it's minimal land use but

[0:43:16] Voice 17: if they're going to build an airport with 747s flying over at all times day and night I believe

[0:43:21] Voice 17: I believe that is Gabriela's business.

[0:43:23] Voice 17: Anyway, to sum up here, a bunch of people,

[0:43:27] Voice 17: Sustainable Gabriela, we've talked about this

[0:43:29] Voice 17: at several meetings, a bunch of people

[0:43:31] Voice 17: talked to Vanessa about it.

[0:43:34] Voice 17: And she, for this last hearing,

[0:43:36] Voice 17: which involves the regional growth,

[0:43:37] Voice 17: amending the regional growth strategy

[0:43:40] Voice 17: to encompass this particular idea they have in mind,

[0:43:47] Voice 17: they managed to persuade the board

[0:43:49] Voice 17: to get the you the islands trust and it wasn't the ltc it was the islands trust as a whole because

[0:43:56] Voice 17: this this has trust-wide implications if they're going to go around changing ocps and stuff like

[0:44:02] Voice 17: that anyway uh so we we're the ones vanessa did persuade them to include gabriel as stakeholder

[0:44:10] Voice 17: no they as the island trust to be consulted then we asked that you'd be taken as stakeholders but

[0:44:17] Voice 17: but I believe it's come back.

[0:44:18] Voice 17: They've asked you for comment.

[0:44:20] Voice 17: So for sure, I hope you won't just say, oh yes,

[0:44:22] Voice 17: this is none of our business and okay the thing.

[0:44:27] Voice 17: I hope in fact, you'll say, no,

[0:44:29] Voice 17: we need to study this a lot more.

[0:44:31] Voice 17: We need to wait till,

[0:44:32] Voice 17: at least wait till the results of the hearing

[0:44:34] Voice 17: and look what everybody has to say

[0:44:35] Voice 17: before you judge on this.

[0:44:37] Voice 17: And I think if you don't answer,

[0:44:39] Voice 17: I think they said they're gonna take that

[0:44:40] Voice 17: as you don't have any problems with it.

[0:44:42] Voice 17: So I sincerely hope I've given a little bit

[0:44:45] Voice 17: of information i've given you particularly in this i copied the submission that i emailed at

[0:44:51] Voice 17: the last minute uh you will um come to understand that this is not just an animal land use zoning

[0:44:58] Voice 17: project and comment accordingly okay

[0:45:02] Trustee Rogers: thank you mr keckney indeed the letter does to us does it's

[0:45:06] Trustee Rogers: i haven't seen anything at the trust level but that doesn't mean we didn't get something

[0:45:11] Trustee Rogers: does say that we have until may the 24th to make our comments and okay

[0:45:17] Voice 17: that's that's basically all

[0:45:19] Voice 17: i wanted to hear and i'm sorry i missed that if it was on the website no it's in

[0:45:23] Trustee Rogers: no it's in the

[0:45:23] Trustee Rogers: letter if you look at page uh 32 of our package and we actually do have a meeting between now

[0:45:30] Trustee Rogers: and may the 24th as well as

[0:45:31] Voice 17: today okay okay that's terrific i just wanted you then i thought

[0:45:35] Voice 17: thought there was a possibility you might just okay the thing at this uh well

[0:45:39] Trustee Rogers: i don't know what

[0:45:40] Trustee Rogers: we're going to do because we haven't talked about it yet but uh we appreciate your point of view and

[0:45:44] Trustee Rogers: thank you for your for your comment yeah

[0:45:46] Voice 17: that's what i want to say thank you for hearing me okay

[0:45:51] Trustee Rogers: um next person on the uh is uh miss e stick again um

[0:45:56] Voice 14: you can promote miss e stick please

[0:45:59] Voice 14: loads you can't hear there you are

[0:46:10] Voice 16: okay um the simple question which comes from a comment that

[0:46:16] Voice 16: was made earlier um does gabriola or has gabriola trust committee opted for a proactive

[0:46:24] Voice 16: approach to enforcement as some islands are we didn't you know we didn't know or it was not

[0:46:32] Voice 16: specified if we were one of those islands oh

[0:46:36] Trustee Rogers: yes we there's a standing resolution to that effect

[0:46:39] Trustee Rogers: i can't remember when we made it but um

[0:46:42] Voice 16: i'm glad to hear that i didn't know we had okay thank you

[0:46:46] Trustee Rogers: thank you i'm not seeing any other hands at this point uh anybody else wish to speak if not

[0:46:55] Trustee Rogers: I'll move off the town hall and into the business.

[0:47:00] Trustee Rogers: Last opportunity.

[0:47:02] Trustee Rogers: Well, thank you very much for your comments

[0:47:03] Trustee Rogers: and your questions and your interest in the work.

[0:47:07] Trustee Rogers: So the next item on the agenda is the minutes

[0:47:11] Trustee Rogers: of the various minutes that in section five of the agenda.

[0:47:20] Trustee Rogers: We have the local trust committee minutes

[0:47:23] Trustee Rogers: from March the 4th, and I'll just turn to the trustees.

[0:47:25] Trustee Rogers: Do you have anything to change or amend?

[0:47:28] Trustee Rogers: Nothing from either of you,

[0:47:30] Trustee Rogers: then I'll take those adopted as presented.

[0:47:32] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much for those excellent minutes.

[0:47:35] Trustee Rogers: There's no RWMs or advisory planning,

[0:47:39] Trustee Rogers: the advisory planning commission minutes.

[0:47:41] Trustee Rogers: We have the housing advisory planning commission minutes

[0:47:47] Trustee Rogers: from March 23rd and April the 1st.

[0:47:50] Trustee Rogers: And those are simply for receipt

[0:47:52] Trustee Rogers: and we'll discuss those when we get to the actual item

[0:47:56] Trustee Rogers: on the agenda related to the housing advisory uh commission sorry the housing um working group

[0:48:02] Trustee Rogers: report uh because that's effectively the the the impact of those uh then we're at um unless

[0:48:10] Trustee Rogers: either the trustees will wave if i'm moving too quickly we get to the

[0:48:15] Trustee Rogers: follow-up action list

[0:48:17] Trustee Rogers: uh which is on page 29 of the agenda uh is there anything uh planners open that you wish to flag

[0:48:24] Trustee Rogers: I related to that?

[0:48:26] Planner Zupanec: No, just if you have any questions,

[0:48:27] Trustee Rogers: I'm here to answer them.

[0:48:29] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I had a question, but it was answered

[0:48:32] Trustee Rogers: in Director Craig's report about Huxley Park.

[0:48:36] Trustee Rogers: So I had my question answered.

[0:48:39] Trustee Rogers: Any questions from either of the trustees?

[0:48:42] Voice 20: No, just a note on the agenda.

[0:48:44] Voice 20: And I think Planner Zupanich

[0:48:45] Voice 20: and I have been in contact about this.

[0:48:47] Voice 20: We've received a high level of correspondence

[0:48:49] Voice 20: around a current subdivision project

[0:48:52] Voice 20: project and some tree removal there and I believe we're going to bring that up at the

[0:48:57] Voice 20: application section of the agenda later on just if those letters were registered as public

[0:49:06] Voice 20: correspondence a lot of them came to various addresses within the either local trust committee

[0:49:10] Voice 20: or us as individuals so just to note that I don't think it'll be in follow-up action

[0:49:14] Voice 20: list but it'll probably be at the application phase of the meeting today so

[0:49:20] Trustee Rogers: it'll come in

[0:49:21] Trustee Rogers: on either the the page resort or the nasa check applications no

[0:49:29] Voice 20: i think maybe planners are going

[0:49:31] Voice 20: to contribute to this

[0:49:32] Planner Zupanec: during the applications log there's a number of applications um that

[0:49:39] Trustee Rogers: are

[0:49:39] Planner Zupanec: the source of the correspondence so we can talk about it during the applications log thing

[0:49:45] Trustee Rogers: oh so 12.4 when we get to the report okay okay thanks very much uh anything else yes trustee

[0:49:52] Trustee Rogers: Yeah,

[0:49:53] Voice 13: just a question for Sonia. You provided that letter on the airport, the letter that was sent by the LTC in what, 2015, I believe. So that's pretty well the extent then of that request we had made, I guess, that there was nothing else, or is there still searching going on?

[0:50:12] Planner Zupanec: No, I'm not doing any more searching. That was just to show you

[0:50:16] Planner Zupanec: the most recent correspondence was related to that issue.

[0:50:20] Voice 13: It's completed now then.

[0:50:22] Planner Zupanec: yes good thank

[0:50:25] Trustee Rogers: you all right because it reads in progress so we're done okay okay anything else

[0:50:33] Trustee Rogers: from that if not the first item on the agenda is the regional district of Nanaimo application if

[0:50:42] Trustee Rogers: it's at page 32 of the package there is a a five-page letter letter with attachments including

[0:50:52] Trustee Rogers: including the draft bylaws from the RDN and the letter

[0:50:56] Trustee Rogers: that Trustee Langeres is talking about,

[0:50:58] Trustee Rogers: it's not in the package,

[0:50:59] Trustee Rogers: but it was a letter that was written six years ago

[0:51:02] Trustee Rogers: by the trust referring effectively asking the,

[0:51:06] Trustee Rogers: but it was more to the airport authority

[0:51:09] Trustee Rogers: to ask them to reroute flights away from Cape Grola.

[0:51:12] Trustee Rogers: I'm paraphrasing, it's a little longer than that,

[0:51:16] Trustee Rogers: but that's effectively what it does.

[0:51:18] Trustee Rogers: I think it's from 2015, is it?

[0:51:20] Trustee Rogers: Or is it later than that?

[0:51:21] Trustee Rogers: account at all um 2015. yeah so um plus these uh this is the the of course the item that mr mckechnie

[0:51:34] Trustee Rogers: was talking about um and i i'm not sure i i've sort of read the material um and i must admit

[0:51:44] Trustee Rogers: i drew the conclusion he was warning against that it was sort of just a land use issue and

[0:51:49] Trustee Rogers: in RDN, but I turn it to you.

[0:51:52] Trustee Rogers: Perhaps you have a different view.

[0:51:54] Trustee Rogers: Anybody wish to speak to this?

[0:51:55] Trustee Rogers: Fred DeLangreth.

[0:51:56] Voice 13: Yeah, yeah.

[0:51:57] Voice 13: I sort of concur with what Mr. McKechnie said

[0:52:02] Voice 13: that it is, I have heard that it is,

[0:52:05] Voice 13: the intention is to have refueling occurring

[0:52:09] Voice 13: at the Nanaimo Airport for the larger planes

[0:52:11] Voice 13: rather than them having to go into Vancouver

[0:52:14] Voice 13: and refueling there.

[0:52:15] Voice 13: So it's going to increase the number of planes

[0:52:18] Voice 13: and the size of planes that are gonna fly over Gabriola.

[0:52:21] Voice 13: So in that respect, it does have an impact on us.

[0:52:24] Voice 13: And so, and some of the other comments he made

[0:52:27] Voice 13: regarding the ownership of land, I wasn't aware of that.

[0:52:30] Voice 13: That's new information.

[0:52:32] Voice 13: To me, it just looked, it looked to me

[0:52:35] Voice 13: as if it was just changing a zoning from industrial

[0:52:40] Voice 13: and airport use, if it's extending a zone

[0:52:44] Voice 13: on one side of the highway to the other.

[0:52:45] Voice 13: and but I think it was all in preparation for as he said a hotel and increased infrastructure

[0:52:53] Voice 13: there for the increase in planes arriving and refueling and people staying there so

[0:52:58] Voice 13: it's part of a master plan I don't know about the ownership issue it didn't it didn't show up in

[0:53:06] Voice 13: in the report that I saw about ownership change just about the Nanaimo airport authority and then

[0:53:14] Voice 13: And the other question I've got is around the role of the feds in this decision-making process.

[0:53:21] Voice 13: Are they somehow involved in this?

[0:53:25] Voice 13: And are we sort of in a situation where the federal rules take priority over local land use bylaws?

[0:53:33] Voice 13: I don't know that.

[0:53:34] Voice 13: There's a number of jurisdictional questions for myself.

[0:53:37] Voice 13: The other thing I noticed is that the airport runway appears to be zoned currently as industrial, I believe it is, and that the agricultural land zoning runs around the airport runway itself.

[0:53:54] Voice 13: itself not so I wasn't aware of a chain of being zoned agricultural unless the parameter the

[0:54:02] Voice 13: perimeter of the airport extends into the ALR somehow but anyway just some number of questions

[0:54:08] Voice 13: so I'm not prepared to support issue a letter of support at this point in time uh we've got till

[0:54:15] Voice 13: May the 24th and we have one meeting before that I believe in the middle of May and if it's time

[0:54:21] Voice 13: enough for us to have that meeting and make a decision at that point in time

[0:54:27] Voice 13: and submit it within the 24th I would prefer to do that we

[0:54:32] Trustee Rogers: have a meeting on

[0:54:33] Trustee Rogers: the 13th of May okay

[0:54:35] Voice 13: so that should be enough for a letter or

[0:54:37] Trustee Rogers: if you decide to

[0:54:39] Trustee Rogers: do to do yeah yeah okay Colburn already do you have any comment yeah

[0:54:45] Voice 20: the issues

[0:54:47] Voice 20: that are being raised here are difficult to express within the process that we

[0:54:50] Voice 20: have you're kind of going beyond the scope of what they're talking about here um but i think

[0:54:55] Voice 20: it's a good i think we should use every opportunity to raise the issues that i hear a lot from people

[0:54:59] Voice 20: around um flight plans noise um disturbances um and concerns around increased traffic and the size

[0:55:08] Voice 20: of that traffic i think we should raise those issues because those are issues that we hear from

[0:55:11] Voice 20: from residents here and uh it really does affect a great deal of of the um of the life and times

[0:55:20] Voice 20: here on the island um the flight the flight class you know that that previous letter and some of the

[0:55:24] Voice 20: work that was done i think we can we can um reuse that and continue to make sure that the uh the

[0:55:30] Voice 20: decision makers are aware of those concerns and that gabriel and should have a voice in um in

[0:55:35] Voice 20: this process and um i i believe we can um do that at the next meeting because there are there are

[0:55:42] Voice 20: issues that mr mckay is bringing up that are kind of outside the scope of what's being asked of us

[0:55:45] Voice 20: within this but I think it's a good time to raise those issues yeah

[0:55:49] Trustee Rogers: my guess is just just to sort of

[0:55:51] Trustee Rogers: comment on this is that well this is a land use and it may very well be being being done in as

[0:55:57] Trustee Rogers: part of a bigger master plan is that the the federal government will then come in and decide

[0:56:05] Trustee Rogers: or the heart or the airport authority through the federal government what what the use of the

[0:56:10] Trustee Rogers: airport will be so presumably there'll be some sort of public process around that as well if

[0:56:16] Trustee Rogers: if they want to expand the use beyond the current sort of regional private plane usage.

[0:56:23] Trustee Rogers: But anyway, Trustee Langroth, I saw your hands up again.

[0:56:26] Voice 13: Just the other point I forgot to mention is climate change

[0:56:29] Voice 13: and the impact of increased air travel on CO2 emissions.

[0:56:35] Voice 13: I mean, I would think we'd be downsizing airports, if anything,

[0:56:39] Voice 13: not expanding airports or the capacity for airports.

[0:56:42] Voice 13: So it's a bit contradictory.

[0:56:44] Voice 13: So

[0:56:46] Trustee Rogers: can I suggest that we defer this matter to the May 13th or ask it to be put on the May 13th agenda and that you two can both monitor what the public what public hearing happens today because there may be some comments, I would, I would urge you to.

[0:57:04] Trustee Rogers: and then when it comes back to us on May 13th,

[0:57:06] Trustee Rogers: I would urge you to sort of look at it

[0:57:09] Trustee Rogers: through a Gabriola lens.

[0:57:14] Trustee Rogers: And that doesn't mean you ignore the things

[0:57:17] Trustee Rogers: like climate change, et cetera,

[0:57:18] Trustee Rogers: but to also look at it through a Gabriola lens

[0:57:22] Trustee Rogers: and much of the course,

[0:57:23] Trustee Rogers: but local trust area or the trust area at a whole.

[0:57:27] Trustee Rogers: I'll go to the and see if there was actually,

[0:57:30] Trustee Rogers: with the referral to the trust generally,

[0:57:34] Trustee Rogers: because I haven't, if there is, I haven't seen it yet.

[0:57:38] Trustee Rogers: So I didn't know of that.

[0:57:39] Trustee Rogers: So are we okay with that as a way forward on this?

[0:57:43] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[0:57:44] Trustee Rogers: So planners, I don't think we need,

[0:57:46] Trustee Rogers: if we can just note that we'll have this matter

[0:57:48] Trustee Rogers: brought back to as a referral on May the 13th.

[0:57:52] Planner Zupanec: Okay.

[0:57:52] Trustee Rogers: That's

[0:57:52] Planner Zupanec: fine, thank you.

[0:57:54] Trustee Rogers: Excellent.

[0:57:55] Trustee Rogers: The next item on the agenda then is the,

[0:57:59] Trustee Rogers: is there and I don't know if there's anybody here from the applicant uh is the page uh resort

[0:58:06] Trustee Rogers: marina and I believe uh planner my qua is going to speak to this hi uh do we know if is there

[0:58:19] Trustee Rogers: anybody from the applicant with us yeah

[0:58:21] Voice 21: it is yeah

[0:58:22] Voice 12: uh so I think Gloria and Phyllis are both

[0:58:30] Voice 12: I

[0:58:31] Voice 21: see Gloria Hasfield has brought her hand up if we can promote Gloria please and is there somebody

[0:58:37] Voice 21: else too? I

[0:58:54] Voice 21: see Gloria has been promoted so Ms. Hasfield so what we will do is welcome

[0:59:05] Voice 21: to the meeting is what we'll do

[0:59:06] Trustee Rogers: is we'll receive the staff report the trustees will then

[0:59:13] Trustee Rogers: and ask any questions of the planner that they may have.

[0:59:16] Trustee Rogers: And then I'll invite you to, oh, there you are, hello.

[0:59:20] Trustee Rogers: Nice to meet you.

[0:59:22] Trustee Rogers: I learned a lot reading this report and about your resort.

[0:59:28] Trustee Rogers: And then when we'll all turn to you

[0:59:31] Trustee Rogers: and ask if you have any comments on the report.

[0:59:37] Trustee Rogers: So we'll start out by-

[0:59:38] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[0:59:45] Voice 12: So this is an application for rezoning

[0:59:47] Voice 12: at pages resort and marina at the southern end of gabriola the applicant is seeking a

[0:59:54] Voice 12: bylaw amendment to permit the retail sale of liquor and other alcoholic goods out of there

[1:00:00] Voice 12: existing Little Market Store building. So this is a use which is currently permitted

[1:00:06] Voice 12: only on one TC1 zoned property, Silva Bay Resort and Marina. And the applicant submitted a number

[1:00:16] Voice 12: of emails of support for their proposed rezoning, including letters of general support from the

[1:00:21] Voice 12: owners of the immediately surrounding properties. Staff's overall analysis of the proposal is that

[1:00:28] Voice 12: that it does not appear to be contrary to or inconsistent with the Island Stress Policy Statement.

[1:00:34] Voice 12: It also appears to be able to meet the four criteria as outlined in the OCP

[1:00:39] Voice 12: to consider developing an additional tourist commercial use on the subject property.

[1:00:45] Voice 12: In addition, through discussion with staff at the LCRB, Liquor and Cannabis Regulations Branch,

[1:00:52] Voice 12: it was noted that the proximity to the Silva Bay Resort and Marina

[1:00:56] Voice 12: Marina would not affect each other's potential liquor license class, as each serves a different

[1:01:01] Voice 12: purpose in the community. Thus, staff are recommending that draft amendments to the LUB

[1:01:08] Voice 12: be prepared in order to permit the retail sale of liquor and other alcoholic goods on the subject

[1:01:13] Voice 12: property. And staff would also like to note, it's clear from the applicant and some community members

[1:01:20] Voice 12: that they would like to see this reasoning application proceed as quickly as possible,

[1:01:26] Voice 12: given the potential economic impacts it could provide.

[1:01:32] Voice 12: So to highlight the by-law amendment timeline for the LTC,

[1:01:36] Voice 12: staff just wanted to note that once drafted,

[1:01:40] Voice 12: doing multiple readings of the by-law together at one meeting

[1:01:43] Voice 12: would be one way to expedite the process.

[1:01:47] Voice 12: Another way would be to consider waiving the public hearing

[1:01:51] Voice 12: for the drafted amendment.

[1:01:52] Voice 12: Public hearings can be waived for LUB amendments only so long as they're consistent with the OCP.

[1:01:59] Voice 12: So this amendment seems to be a good candidate for that criteria if you want to discuss that as an LTC either at this meeting or the next.

[1:02:10] Voice 12: And so subject to concurrence with staff's recommendation, staff would go ahead and prepare the draft bylaw amendments for consideration at the May 13th LTC meeting.

[1:02:22] Voice 12: and would provide a recommended and expedited bylaw amendment timeline with the staff report

[1:02:29] Voice 12: for that meeting as well. So that's a brief summary of this proposal and I can field questions from

[1:02:37] Voice 12: the LTC.

[1:02:38] Voice 22: Okay questions from the trustee? Yeah yeah

[1:02:43] Voice 13: I'm definitely in support of this amendment.

[1:02:48] Voice 13: It's ironic that they can't have a liquor sale in a store, but they could establish a licensed liquor establishment on the property without a rezoning, which would be, I guess, like a pub.

[1:03:03] Voice 13: So it's a bit ironic, I think, that they could have that capacity, but not just to sell some alcohol out of the local store.

[1:03:12] Voice 13: Yeah, so I'm supportive of it.

[1:03:15] Voice 13: i i did have some correspondence indicating that there may have been an error in the past in the

[1:03:22] Voice 13: rezoning or whether it was a cross hatching or not but i couldn't i i have no idea about that

[1:03:30] Voice 13: but um yeah okay

[1:03:32] Voice 22: any any questions for the planner in terms of support um we will come

[1:03:39] Voice 22: back to this question. Anything from you, Trustee Goldberg, that you'd like to add?

[1:03:46] Voice 20: No, your mic is quite low all of a sudden there, Chair Rogers. I'm not sure if it's...

[1:03:51] Voice 20: I

[1:03:51] Trustee Rogers: was actually having a bit of a... Is it better now?

[1:03:56] Voice 20: That's better, yes.

[1:03:57] Voice 20: Yeah,

[1:03:58] Trustee Rogers: I was just having a moment.

[1:03:58] Voice 20: You fixed the technological issue you were having in your larynx.

[1:04:02] Voice 20: And my throat.

[1:04:03] Voice 20: Yeah. No, Trustee Landrieu raised the points that I was going to. Just around

[1:04:09] Voice 20: around fees for this type of thing you know it seems like a sort of a housekeeping amendment

[1:04:19] Voice 20: and I'm just wondering about several letter writers including previous trustees have written

[1:04:24] Voice 20: about whether or not fees are charged for this type of thing so just some some staff direction

[1:04:30] Voice 20: on that and

[1:04:33] Voice 12: I might have to turn that over to Sonia and or Heather as I forget what the fee

[1:04:40] Voice 12: schedule is. I know that applicants have to apply for the process. I just don't know about in terms

[1:04:47] Voice 12: of waiving fees, LTC support, things like that.

[1:04:53] Planner Zupanec: No, they are subject to your bylaw amendment

[1:04:57] Planner Zupanec: fees as per your fee schedule. If you would like to suggest that this is going to be an LTC

[1:05:04] Planner Zupanec: initiated project, then it would be a very different process and would have to be a top

[1:05:10] Planner Zupanec: priority but in this case the applicant wishes for this designation to be amended and they pay

[1:05:17] Planner Zupanec: the fees we process it as an application so

[1:05:20] Trustee Rogers: so that's an interesting here's yeah and i would

[1:05:23] Trustee Rogers: have expected that my question is is i would have is the planner indicated that one of the options

[1:05:29] Trustee Rogers: is to waive a public hearing um in this case is there and i've heard of elsewhere that if

[1:05:36] Trustee Rogers: public hearing never happens then there is some refund of fees is that is that the way it works

[1:05:42] Trustee Rogers: or is that so

[1:05:43] Planner Zupanec: just so you know waiving a public hearing doesn't mean that it's less expensive

[1:05:49] Planner Zupanec: because you're still having to provide the same level of notification that you would as if you

[1:05:57] Planner Zupanec: were holding the public hearing so that's the full mail out the full advertising uh the only

[1:06:02] Planner Zupanec: thing that you're not doing is holding that space in the local trust committee meeting for the

[1:06:07] Planner Zupanec: public hearing okay no

[1:06:09] Planner Zupanec: no there's no there's no ability to reimburse for expediting it's simply

[1:06:13] Planner Zupanec: that if you wish the planner will provide that timeline of how the readings could move forward

[1:06:18] Planner Zupanec: um you know for minors time saving if that's how you wish to proceed so

[1:06:26] Trustee Rogers: then i'll ask again the

[1:06:27] Trustee Rogers: the from my perspective I heard I just want to understand the press I read the report what

[1:06:34] Trustee Rogers: really is is amending the schedule map and and uh taking this property and cross hatching the same

[1:06:41] Trustee Rogers: way that it is on the other property I didn't see any much else that could happen so unless I'm

[1:06:50] Trustee Rogers: wrong is so can that all happen at for example may 13th so

[1:06:59] Voice 12: uh yeah um at the may 13th meeting

[1:07:02] Voice 12: staff would um present the draft bylaw and like you're saying it would be likely um a map

[1:07:11] Voice 12: probably not an amendment um we would likely add a new map to show the specific

[1:07:17] Voice 12: specific property, I'd have to look at the various ways we could do it, but

[1:07:26] Voice 12: yeah, essentially adding a map that shows this property for that use, and potentially giving

[1:07:36] Voice 12: first and second reading at that meeting. The next step would be to refer it out to

[1:07:43] Voice 12: to agencies and First Nations so that that likely can't be expedited so we would need to hear back

[1:07:52] Voice 12: once it has first reading then we refer it out agencies and First Nations.

[1:08:13] Trustee Rogers: And the referral is

[1:08:14] Trustee Rogers: usually 30 days isn't it? No

[1:08:18] Trustee Rogers: I'm seeing a shaking of a head am I wrong about that? So for agencies

[1:08:22] Voice 12: it's 30 days and I believe Sunimuc and other First Nations have requested 60 days. Oh right

[1:08:28] Voice 12: right now

[1:08:29] Planner Zupanec: we would use the 60 as a courtesy to everybody in this day and age to have sufficient

[1:08:35] Planner Zupanec: space and time to process the volume of work that everyone has so i would suggest 60 days would be

[1:08:41] Planner Zupanec: reasonable not

[1:08:45] Trustee Rogers: that is that trustees that gives us a timeline of about three months from now

[1:08:52] Trustee Rogers: just

[1:08:57] Voice 22: yeah trustee longer yeah

[1:08:59] Voice 13: it will be a bit longer because with the first nation referral

[1:09:04] Voice 13: The other thing is it's not just a cross-hatching.

[1:09:07] Voice 13: I think you'd have to amend the zone as well

[1:09:09] Voice 13: to identify the property itself in the zone

[1:09:13] Voice 13: as it does for Silver Bay.

[1:09:18] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I don't have any other questions,

[1:09:20] Trustee Rogers: but do the other trustees,

[1:09:21] Trustee Rogers: otherwise I'm going to invite the applicant

[1:09:23] Trustee Rogers: if you wish to say anything.

[1:09:24] Trustee Rogers: I saw you turned your camera off.

[1:09:31] Trustee Rogers: If you wish to address us,

[1:09:33] Trustee Rogers: um i think you've heard sort of general support and discussion about how we can move this forward

[1:09:41] Trustee Rogers: um have we lost her no no oh

[1:09:45] Trustee Rogers: there you are you just yeah i'm sorry

[1:09:48] Voice 1: but it's on the south end

[1:09:50] Voice 1: sometimes wi-fi is a challenge so i had to turn off my video there

[1:09:53] Voice 1: to get to keep alive here um

[1:09:56] Voice 1: first of all thank you very much i would also like to recognize and i think you noted that

[1:10:01] Voice 1: my mother is on this call as well as part of as our ownership of our family business so i represent

[1:10:07] Voice 1: her and us as well um i want to also thank teresa staff it's been fabulous working with you you are

[1:10:15] Voice 1: efficient and to the point and get things done not that i totally like the answer to all the

[1:10:20] Voice 1: questions but i wanted to make sure people understood that you've been recognized that way

[1:10:24] Voice 1: um yeah i i guess this was a bit of a sideways uh just because again under tc1s as a as a

[1:10:35] Voice 1: primary use of business it does indicate the ability to sell sell liquor um just for some

[1:10:43] Voice 1: reason one property that's a tc1 is not on that well several but in this case this one property

[1:10:49] Voice 1: is not on that map. I am urging, requesting in any way that we can find to expedite this. We've got,

[1:10:59] Voice 1: as you know, this industry is, like many, just absolutely slammed by COVID. And this would allow

[1:11:06] Voice 1: me to get some people back in jobs. And that would be phenomenal for our community. With respect to

[1:11:14] Voice 1: the first nations i and i know we're different organizations but the liquor and cannabis board

[1:11:20] Voice 1: well the liquor board originally and then now that changed the liquor and cannabis cannabis board

[1:11:24] Voice 1: have already sent letters um and received input back so i don't know if that's something that

[1:11:32] Voice 1: one could piggyback off of versus a six-month process on that um i just i'm throwing that out

[1:11:40] Voice 1: out there really frankly throwing anything out there because the sooner we can get this going

[1:11:45] Voice 1: the better for for all sorts of people we know we have the community support through the last

[1:11:51] Voice 1: liquor application process we had a notice in the Nanaimo paper because that wasn't Gabriel and I

[1:11:58] Voice 1: put my own ad in the Gabriel and paper I copied to all of you the 42 emails and letters that we

[1:12:05] Voice 1: We received in support, not to mention, of course, all the verbal.

[1:12:08] Voice 1: Not one was opposed.

[1:12:09] Voice 1: One had some slight concerns, but in the end, he writes that he is in support of it.

[1:12:15] Voice 1: So we know we've got community support.

[1:12:17] Voice 1: We know we can create jobs.

[1:12:19] Voice 1: We know there's a lot of good with this.

[1:12:21] Voice 1: So I guess I just, I'm not sure how to help because I know it's your business and you've

[1:12:26] Voice 1: got due process.

[1:12:27] Voice 1: But the only thing I can throw out there right now is, again, we've done public consultation

[1:12:32] Voice 1: and we do have First Nations have been notified of this through the Liquor Board.

[1:12:40] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you. Any questions? Yeah, Trustee Lundgren.

[1:12:44] Voice 13: Oh, just that there's a 60-day referral period, but it doesn't mean that they won't respond in a much shorter time frame,

[1:12:51] Voice 13: especially if they've already had contact with the Liquor Board. That would be one possibility.

[1:12:58] Voice 13: Yeah, Planner Zipanich.

[1:13:01] Planner Zupanec: just to add to the local trust committee has to consider the referral agencies if you give first

[1:13:07] Planner Zupanec: reading so you decide we provide a recommendation but you decide who gets referred those bylaws

[1:13:14] Planner Zupanec: so you just have to consider that and then you can make a choice as to how long or short that

[1:13:21] Planner Zupanec: list of agencies is that get referred so

[1:13:25] Trustee Rogers: if we i mean i subject to all of that i mean would it be

[1:13:32] Trustee Rogers: i suppose would you wouldn't it would be appropriate for us if we wanted to to add

[1:13:36] Trustee Rogers: language to the recommendation that says something to the effect of and request staff to expedite

[1:13:42] Trustee Rogers: this as as much as possible i mean is that is that appropriate in this circumstance i

[1:13:52] Planner Zupanec: think uh sorry

[1:13:53] Planner Zupanec: I don't mean to step on the planner's toes, but you can ask staff to do whatever you wish to do

[1:13:59] Planner Zupanec: with the file. Obviously, we are going to see the efficiencies where possible. We're not here to try

[1:14:06] Planner Zupanec: to belabor any of them.

[1:14:08] Planner Zupanec: So yeah, so we naturally already have noticed that this is the type of file

[1:14:13] Planner Zupanec: that lends itself well to demonstrating the flexibility that you have to some extent of

[1:14:18] Planner Zupanec: of grouping your readings and streamlining referrals

[1:14:22] Planner Zupanec: so that you're really just focusing

[1:14:24] Planner Zupanec: on what information is missing

[1:14:26] Planner Zupanec: and including public hearings

[1:14:28] Planner Zupanec: in your already scheduled meetings, et cetera.

[1:14:31] Planner Zupanec: So we will already do that.

[1:14:32] Planner Zupanec: But if you wish to provide that formally

[1:14:34] Planner Zupanec: through the resolution, in addition to the recommendation

[1:14:36] Planner Zupanec: that the planners provided, that's fine.

[1:14:39] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, and I appreciate and I know that's true.

[1:14:44] Trustee Rogers: What I think it might do is sort of indicate

[1:14:46] Trustee Rogers: communicate to the community that we've recognized that this sort of publicly that this should move

[1:14:52] Trustee Rogers: as quickly as it possibly can um it's not intended to bypass anything that we have our process but

[1:14:59] Trustee Rogers: anyway it's just a suggestion but i i turn it over to trustees as to how you wish yeah

[1:15:05] Voice 20: i would move

[1:15:06] Voice 20: um if we're at that stage because i think um i don't think we need to spend a lot of time on

[1:15:11] Voice 20: this this seems like a really literally just extending a zone of the same type of use across

[1:15:18] Voice 20: so i'm just i'm looking for my agenda package here so i can just read out the motion at this point

[1:15:22] Voice 20: um and of course it's not on that page page 37 37 thank you every time you switch to screen

[1:15:36] Voice 20: sharing it changes the view um so i moved that the gabriel island local trust committee requests

[1:15:40] Voice 20: staff to prepare draft amendments to the Gabriel Island land use bylaw that

[1:15:45] Voice 20: the retail sale of liquor and elder alcoholic alcoholic goods on the subject

[1:15:49] Voice 20: property 3350 Coast Road the Express PID number on an expedited basis thanks

[1:16:02] Trustee Rogers: that's been second moved and seconded is there any further discussion if not I'll

[1:16:07] Trustee Rogers: call the vote all in favor thank you so thank you thank you Teresa

[1:16:12] Trustee Rogers: if i know that's um uh and for your work on this and i take everything that planners have been

[1:16:19] Trustee Rogers: says that you can move this and thank you for flagging that you would try to find

[1:16:29] Trustee Rogers: by doing a couple of meetings thank you thank

[1:16:35] Voice 16: you thank

[1:16:36] Trustee Rogers: you uh thank you to uh ms hatfield

[1:16:39] Trustee Rogers: thank

[1:16:40] Voice 1: you for your time sure

[1:16:43] Voice 9: rogers i just wanted to let you know that your your mic is breaking up

[1:16:46] Voice 9: quite a bit i think it's more than just you i think it's also sometimes your mic

[1:16:51] Voice 14: no i i was

[1:16:58] Voice 14: muting am i

[1:16:59] Trustee Rogers: okay now yes

[1:17:01] Voice 9: now it's good yeah

[1:17:03] Trustee Rogers: i was talking while i was muted a minute ago so that

[1:17:06] Trustee Rogers: might have been it but if it continues let me know and i'll put a headset on we'll do

[1:17:10] Trustee Rogers: um okay i see

[1:17:12] Trustee Rogers: uh that oh there it is are we close

[1:17:15] Voice 20: to a break here or uh

[1:17:18] Trustee Rogers: i was what are we at we're at the

[1:17:20] Trustee Rogers: Now, I guess let's take let's take it's 1149. If you're ready for a brief break.

[1:17:28] Trustee Rogers: Then let's show we break till 12 o'clock and then we'll finish the applications and see how we want to go.

[1:17:34] Trustee Rogers: Does that work.

[1:17:35] Trustee Rogers: Okay, we'll just step down for for 10

[1:17:40] Voice 14: minutes. Thank you very much.

[1:28:31] Voice 14: Welcome back everyone.

[1:28:37] Voice 14: Nadine you're ready. Okay, thank you.

[1:28:43] Trustee Rogers: uh it's uh noon so we'll start and i see planner clark's has joined us hello nice to see you

[1:28:51] Trustee Rogers: and uh i don't know if either of i didn't see them on the list but that doesn't mean

[1:28:57] Trustee Rogers: anything whether the applicants are here yes

[1:29:01] Voice 4: uh i believe uh can you hear me yeah uh chair okay

[1:29:04] Voice 4: um yes the applicant should be there it's rob grisdale grisdale in the attendees list

[1:29:19] Voice 4: oh there he is yeah i

[1:29:21] Trustee Rogers: do see i do see him now so if you could uh uh promote this detail over

[1:29:27] Trustee Rogers: all right thanks will and um and mr griestale what we'll do is we'll hear the follow-up report from

[1:29:37] Trustee Rogers: the from the planner and then uh we'll have any questions and and we'll then uh ask you if you

[1:29:44] Trustee Rogers: wish to say anything for the application uh i should add that not well i'll let the planner

[1:29:49] Trustee Rogers: or talk about the fact we've gotten a couple of letters in on this matter so over to you

[1:29:54] Trustee Rogers: okay thank

[1:29:57] Voice 4: you chair so yeah the lgc will recall this

[1:30:00] Voice 4: this application from last meeting at which the LTC requested some further

[1:30:05] Voice 4: information primarily information on First Nations awareness and sensitivity

[1:30:12] Voice 4: on the island that that was included in their guest package also some

[1:30:15] Voice 4: information be provided to their guests around water sensitive use of water and

[1:30:21] Voice 4: And so forth. And so you'll see that information has now been provided. And that's in the staff report package there as an attachment, updated guest information, as well as a list, a bullet point list from the applicant of what was included per the LTC request.

[1:30:46] Voice 4: further this is not in the in the in the staff report package but I'm going to share a different

[1:30:54] Voice 4: screen here and provide some pictures as requested by the applicant of their of their signage in the

[1:31:00] Voice 4: suite in for water conservation so this is this is at the tops essentially let me know if you can't

[1:31:07] Voice 4: it's hard to see I'll make it slightly larger here you can see that so this is

[1:31:12] Voice 4: in let me know if I can move on or if you'd like me to okay all right and in

[1:31:19] Voice 4: you know the other sink same information and again in the bathroom area so yeah

[1:31:35] Voice 4: and as the chair indicated we received although the statutory notification

[1:31:40] Voice 4: period is over and we didn't re-notify because the permit is is the exact is

[1:31:47] Voice 4: the same and the staff recommendation remains the same we did receive two

[1:31:53] Voice 4: additional letters from the public that are posted to the website and that you

[1:31:57] Voice 4: have received and I believe both trustees Colburn and Langer ice received

[1:32:06] Voice 4: those individually and then i re-sent it to chair rogers as he wasn't on the list that i saw so

[1:32:12] Voice 4: hopefully you did receive that and i think at this point i can just answer any questions um

[1:32:19] Voice 4: yeah let's leave it there cltc have any questions so

[1:32:24] Trustee Rogers: not not discussion necessarily but questions

[1:32:27] Trustee Rogers: for the planner i'm not seeing any questions i'm not seeing anybody on mute so thank you for your

[1:32:37] Trustee Rogers: report i'll just ask if the uh if the uh applicant um mr greasedale if you wish to say anything or

[1:32:47] Trustee Rogers: or report anything else further or comment on the staff report in any way sorry

[1:32:59] Voice 11: sorry there was a

[1:33:00] Voice 11: gap there while we were promoted i think we missed the last few seconds oh

[1:33:06] Trustee Rogers: oh uh i did you hear the

[1:33:09] Trustee Rogers: end of the staff report

[1:33:10] Voice 11: that's it yeah and then it just cut out okay

[1:33:15] Trustee Rogers: well i just asked the trustees

[1:33:16] Trustee Rogers: if they had any questions for the planner and they there were no questions so that's all that's

[1:33:21] Trustee Rogers: happened since uh the planner finished his report so it's just a matter of um uh and and he did

[1:33:28] Trustee Rogers: indicate you you uh probably heard that uh him say that there were two letters that were received by

[1:33:36] Trustee Rogers: by trustees related to your application.

[1:33:38] Trustee Rogers: I assume you've seen those.

[1:33:43] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so any comments on the staff report

[1:33:45] Trustee Rogers: or anything you wish to say to the trustees

[1:33:48] Trustee Rogers: before we begin our deliberation?

[1:33:51] Voice 11: I don't know if we have anything specific.

[1:33:55] Voice 11: Did you wanna add?

[1:33:56] Voice 18: No, I think the letters to us just seem to speak more

[1:33:59] Voice 18: of the global housing issue.

[1:34:01] Voice 18: Nothing I don't think specific to our application,

[1:34:03] Voice 18: I don't believe.

[1:34:04] Voice 18: leave um we the only thing we did want to mention too is i think there was like a little bit of a

[1:34:10] Voice 18: concern with covid um but i just wanted to reassure the trustees uh just how seriously we do take it

[1:34:17] Voice 18: we would have no intention you know we feel that as a permit holder of a top we are under every

[1:34:24] Voice 18: obligation to follow local health guidelines and we would not rent to anyone nor would we loan it

[1:34:29] Voice 18: out to friends or family or even visit ourselves as long as there's no recommendation to travel so

[1:34:35] Voice 18: um you know just an issuance of this report of this top doesn't mean that we're immediately

[1:34:40] Voice 18: going to start renting this thing out like we again it's our neighborhood we love the island

[1:34:45] Voice 18: we see you know we love our neighbors we don't plan on endangering anybody by violating any

[1:34:50] Voice 18: health travel for for uh the sake of renting it out so i just i just wanted to reiterate the fact

[1:34:57] Voice 18: that we take this very very seriously and and we won't be renting it out as long as it's not

[1:35:02] Voice 18: recommended by by the local health authority.

[1:35:08] Trustee Rogers: Do either of the trustees have any questions for the

[1:35:11] Trustee Rogers: applicant? Yeah Trustee Lundgren.

[1:35:12] Voice 13: Yeah just I'm glad to hear that if it was approved you wouldn't

[1:35:16] Voice 13: be renting out so I'm wondering about it we either say yes or no if we said yes that we would not

[1:35:26] Voice 13: actually act on it until such time as it looks like it's going to be reopening again for travel

[1:35:32] Voice 13: that'd be one way to address that and

[1:35:35] Voice 11: we do have it on hold i actually didn't know how to do that

[1:35:39] Voice 11: last time so the the listing you can sleep it i think is the term so it has been since that meeting

[1:35:45] Voice 11: and yes until public health orders change it can stay in that mode so you can't search it anymore

[1:35:51] Voice 11: and I did edit it.

[1:35:57] Trustee Rogers: Any other questions for the applicant?

[1:36:03] Trustee Rogers: I'm not seeing anything.

[1:36:05] Trustee Rogers: So thank you.

[1:36:06] Trustee Rogers: I'll ask you to mute yourself again

[1:36:07] Trustee Rogers: and then we're going to now talk

[1:36:09] Trustee Rogers: about how we're going to proceed.

[1:36:13] Trustee Rogers: Trustees, this was before us a month ago.

[1:36:15] Trustee Rogers: We asked for a few things, the applicant did it.

[1:36:20] Trustee Rogers: Comments from the trustees about this.

[1:36:27] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, Trustee Lundgren.

[1:36:29] Voice 13: Okay, yeah, thank you.

[1:36:31] Voice 13: Yeah, the recent letters raised an issue that actually Derek asked us when we ran for election, the conundrum of short-term vacation rentals and, you know, economy versus housing.

[1:36:44] Voice 13: So it's not a new issue.

[1:36:46] Voice 13: It was one that we had to respond to back in 2018.

[1:36:53] Voice 13: It does present a bit of a dilemma for us.

[1:36:58] Voice 13: you know it talks about impacts on the neighborhood and on the island in the uh in the bylaw and

[1:37:08] Voice 13: impact in the by on the in the bylaw where it talks about that i mean the neighborhood impact

[1:37:13] Voice 13: is sort of is you know locally how do people feel about it then there's the impact on the whole

[1:37:20] Voice 13: island like the number of short-term vacation rentals and also the impact on the economy so

[1:37:27] Voice 2: So it

[1:37:27] Voice 13: doesn't say a negative impact, it just says an impact, although I guess the implication is

[1:37:31] Voice 13: that it's negative. I'm speaking about our bylaw, you know, the terms. It's a bit

[1:37:40] Voice 13: of a conundrum. I'm not quite sure. I don't think we have the capacity to even

[1:37:50] Voice 13: issue a moratorium. I know one letter writer suggested that we do that, but I don't think

[1:37:55] Voice 13: that if we have a bylaw that you know sets out certain rules that maybe i'm wrong on that that

[1:38:02] Voice 13: we can actually uh well

[1:38:04] Trustee Rogers: we did it on galliano but we did it on a go forward basis after nothing

[1:38:09] Trustee Rogers: not dealing with the applications that were currently before us rather we did say yeah

[1:38:14] Trustee Rogers: planner clock yeah

[1:38:17] Voice 4: no i just thought i'm sorry to interrupt so through the chair um i just thought

[1:38:21] Voice 4: i mentioned that you know you you do as an ltc have an hapc working on broader global housing

[1:38:26] Voice 4: issues and um and you know there may be some recommendations come out of there

[1:38:32] Voice 4: presently this applicant has applied under under the current bylaws which um do have policy support

[1:38:38] Voice 4: in your ocp and direction you know that there is a designation in the ocp for commercial

[1:38:45] Voice 4: vacation rent you're you're permitted to apply for a tup for that right so that's something the

[1:38:50] Voice 4: ltc could look at going forward um there's you know the word moratorium could mean

[1:38:56] Voice 4: several things but one one um option going forward is if the community decided you know

[1:39:03] Voice 4: they no longer wanted

[1:39:04] Voice 4: the ltc to be issuing temporary use permits for

[1:39:07] Voice 4: for vacation rental use then that could be you know an amendment um to the to the tp guide uh

[1:39:13] Voice 4: designations and guidelines in your bylaws.

[1:39:17] Voice 4: So,

[1:39:20] Trustee Rogers: I mean, it's up to the local trust committee.

[1:39:23] Trustee Rogers: I mean, the two UPs are always discretionary,

[1:39:26] Trustee Rogers: but there are a series of guidelines

[1:39:28] Trustee Rogers: and we asked for a series of things,

[1:39:30] Trustee Rogers: but I'll just give you the experience on Galeano

[1:39:33] Trustee Rogers: just so you know.

[1:39:35] Trustee Rogers: This issue came up relatively early in the term

[1:39:38] Trustee Rogers: and we had a specific project

[1:39:40] Trustee Rogers: just around STVRs.

[1:39:42] Trustee Rogers: And they also had a process

[1:39:45] Trustee Rogers: where you can get a TUP.

[1:39:47] Trustee Rogers: And what they decided was,

[1:39:49] Trustee Rogers: what the local trust committee decided was,

[1:39:52] Trustee Rogers: while they were working through the STBR,

[1:39:55] Trustee Rogers: they would review,

[1:39:58] Trustee Rogers: they would entertain renewals,

[1:40:02] Trustee Rogers: but not entertain any new TUPs.

[1:40:05] Trustee Rogers: And so they basically put a moratorium,

[1:40:11] Trustee Rogers: if you call it on that, on any future newer ones.

[1:40:15] Trustee Rogers: But we had a specific project that was in the works related to this.

[1:40:19] Trustee Rogers: And we did approve a number of renewals during that same time period as we worked through the year and a half to 21 month process of what to do about SQBRs.

[1:40:31] Trustee Rogers: So that's just information for you to decide as you're going forward.

[1:40:36] Trustee Rogers: We did issue a number of TUPs, renewals, and had done a couple early in our term as well.

[1:40:42] Trustee Rogers: Well, I think we've done two or three on Gabriola since this term started.

[1:40:49] Trustee Rogers: Am I correct?

[1:40:50] Trustee Rogers: I think I'm right.

[1:40:50] Trustee Rogers: Aren't I, guys?

[1:40:52] Trustee Rogers: That's my recollection.

[1:40:54] Voice 20: This would be the third.

[1:40:55] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:40:56] Voice 4: And there are more in-stream, FYI.

[1:41:00] Voice 13: Yeah, two more in-stream.

[1:41:02] Voice 13: One of the questions I've got is around issuing anything, any change in policy mid-stream in an application.

[1:41:11] Trustee Rogers: I have concerns about that.

[1:41:13] Trustee Rogers: I mean, when you have an application applicant come forward and apply under the rules as they are, and then they meet those criteria, and then to change the rules midstream, I think, is a problem.

[1:41:30] Trustee Rogers: That's my personal view. I'm not telling you guys what to do, but I think that's my personal view.

[1:41:36] Trustee Rogers: That was my concern.

[1:41:37] Trustee Rogers: I think Colburn, you haven't weighed in on this yet.

[1:41:39] Trustee Rogers: I

[1:41:40] Voice 20: had some technical issues there I temporarily left the meeting and then back so I think I think

[1:41:44] Voice 20: and I would just say I think the the larger the larger issues here um are worth discussion but

[1:41:51] Voice 20: I think we have to focus on this application specifically um in terms of timing I find it

[1:41:57] Voice 20: I think trustee Langeras I want to thank the applicants and the and the planner for responding

[1:42:02] Voice 20: to the request for more information I didn't think the application as presented last time was ready

[1:42:07] Voice 20: for the for um debate or decision but thank you for putting the extra work in and and how you've

[1:42:11] Voice 20: done it um but i think trustee laundries raised the point of of the health um you know okaying

[1:42:19] Voice 20: a short-term vacation rental during this time period is problematic so um yeah i'm glad to hear

[1:42:26] Voice 20: you um say that you're going to abide by that because that's something that it's kind of on

[1:42:31] Voice 20: the short-term side of things in terms of short-term vacation rentals but it's definitely

[1:42:34] Voice 20: something we hear a lot in the community. I think we have to sort of shelve the discussion of

[1:42:40] Voice 20: what to do with STVRs and the impact they have more broadly on the housing stock here and the

[1:42:46] Voice 20: crisis that people are going through in terms of finding affordable housing.

[1:42:49] Voice 20: And I think we have to take applications where the use is

[1:42:55] Voice 20: is um um you know purely on the on the profit side of things and not in terms of allowing people

[1:43:04] Voice 20: options to be able to buy homes and to um make transitions in their lives so um there there

[1:43:12] Voice 20: doesn't seem to be anything within this application as it stands right now and the what the the

[1:43:17] Voice 20: legislation or the regulatory um process that we have right now that would stand against this

[1:43:24] Voice 20: I'll just leave that there because I actually, I do want to return in this meeting to how

[1:43:29] Voice 20: we deal with STVRs because I think there is, I think we have to really address that on

[1:43:36] Voice 20: a short term basis before we get more applications and then we're just in a process where we're

[1:43:40] Voice 20: continually responding to the applications and not being able to deal with the regulatory

[1:43:44] Voice 20: process we have.

[1:43:45] Voice 20: So yeah, this is a difficult one because it's something that I think we're moving

[1:43:53] Voice 20: moving away from the process that we have but that's the process we have right now and I don't

[1:43:57] Voice 20: I don't see any reasons to vote against this except for the the health framework and the safety

[1:44:04] Voice 20: recommendations so yeah

[1:44:07] Voice 4: planner clock so the LTC has the option to impose a further condition which

[1:44:11] Voice 4: could be must comply with current and I would use that term current provincial health recommendations

[1:44:17] Voice 4: or orders because they're changing quite fast right it's different one day in the next well

[1:44:23] Voice 4: well so that is an option is to include that as a condition must comply with current provincial

[1:44:28] Voice 4: health orders so

[1:44:30] Trustee Rogers: would that be contained in the motion or would it have to be part of the tup

[1:44:34] Trustee Rogers: you

[1:44:35] Voice 4: have to amend the permit to add that condition and then issue the permit as amended i see because

[1:44:41] Trustee Rogers: i'm hearing both trustees and i actually hearing the applicant not not being opposed to that either

[1:44:49] Trustee Rogers: that's an option there for you is to wherever it in front of me chair are you I'm looking for

[1:45:19] Trustee Rogers: the actual permit itself okay

[1:45:20] Voice 4: I will bring that up on screen just after

[1:45:30] Voice 14: the guest book it's page

[1:45:37] Voice 11: 91 thank

[1:45:39] Trustee Rogers: you yeah so that would be the following conditions you'd put a 4.14 that uh that would

[1:45:53] Trustee Rogers: would read something like the holder of the permit

[1:46:01] Trustee Rogers: will operate pursuant to orders and recommendations

[1:46:06] Trustee Rogers: of the public health authority.

[1:46:09] Trustee Rogers: I think that's their name, isn't it?

[1:46:10] Trustee Rogers: Something like that.

[1:46:11] Trustee Rogers: Is that what you're suggesting?

[1:46:13] Trustee Rogers: Planning process?

[1:46:14] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[1:46:14] Trustee Rogers: Correct.

[1:46:15] Trustee Rogers: Trustees, what do you think about that way forward?

[1:46:18] Voice 4: And the effect of that would be such that

[1:46:20] Voice 4: if it was operated outside of that condition,

[1:46:23] Voice 4: then there'd be an opportunity for enforcement right yeah

[1:46:28] Trustee Rogers: and actually that probably does

[1:46:30] Trustee Rogers: more than what than the deferral of it because because uh you know who knows how long this is

[1:46:38] Trustee Rogers: going to go and we may get opened and then closed again so yeah

[1:46:42] Voice 13: that yeah i i i like that this

[1:46:47] Voice 13: approach because we it could be lifted and then as you say suspended again you know i invoke the

[1:46:54] Voice 13: gain at a later date so it's sort of flexible based on the circumstances around public health

[1:46:59] Voice 13: orders trustee boulder yeah

[1:47:03] Voice 20: for this particular application and the timing of it i think this is

[1:47:06] Voice 20: an appropriate approach and then again i would like to return to the the topic of stvrs generally

[1:47:12] Voice 20: yeah

[1:47:12] Trustee Rogers: and i think that's what trustee a lot longer eyes and i sort of jumped the gun and

[1:47:16] Trustee Rogers: we talked about it at the beginning so does someone want to move that an amendment to the

[1:47:20] Trustee Rogers: the permit.

[1:47:22] Voice 20: Chair, could you do that? Because you had that worded well.

[1:47:26] Trustee Rogers: I'll move that we amend

[1:47:28] Trustee Rogers: a temporary use permit DBTUP 2020.3 by adding condition 4.14. The holder of the permit

[1:47:41] Trustee Rogers: will operate in accordance with all recommendations and orders of the public health authority

[1:47:52] Voice 13: or officer oh

[1:47:57] Trustee Rogers: yeah public health office bc provincial health officer yeah bc provincial

[1:48:01] Trustee Rogers: health officer so nadine did you get that yeah

[1:48:06] Voice 10: i got it okay

[1:48:07] Trustee Rogers: so i'll make that motion is there

[1:48:09] Trustee Rogers: Is there a seconder for that seconded by Trustee Colburn?

[1:48:12] Trustee Rogers: Any further discussion about that amendment?

[1:48:15] Trustee Rogers: No, all in favor?

[1:48:17] Trustee Rogers: So that passes.

[1:48:19] Trustee Rogers: And then does someone want to move the actual permit?

[1:48:23] Trustee Rogers: And the only difference would be,

[1:48:24] Trustee Rogers: it will be issuing the permit as amended.

[1:48:28] Voice 13: I'll do that.

[1:48:29] Voice 13: I moved that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[1:48:32] Voice 13: approve issuance of temporary use permit GBTUP 2020.3

[1:48:38] Voice 13: for a period of three years in bracket three,

[1:48:41] Voice 13: subject to the conditions imposed by the permit as amended.

[1:48:50] Trustee Rogers: You see, Trustee, sorry, I see you're in the shadows.

[1:48:53] Trustee Rogers: I know.

[1:48:55] Trustee Rogers: And I've got sun shining in my eye.

[1:48:58] Trustee Rogers: That's why I'm doing this occasionally.

[1:49:02] Trustee Rogers: So all in favor?

[1:49:05] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[1:49:05] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much, and thank you for the comment,

[1:49:07] Trustee Rogers: and thank you to the applicants.

[1:49:10] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for your cooperation throughout this.

[1:49:12] Trustee Rogers: I don't know if you have any questions,

[1:49:13] Trustee Rogers: but Planner Cox can work you through

[1:49:15] Trustee Rogers: any further considerations and questions.

[1:49:18] Voice 18: Perfect.

[1:49:19] Voice 18: No, we just, we really appreciate the time

[1:49:20] Voice 18: and it was great working with you guys.

[1:49:23] Voice 18: Thank you very much.

[1:49:23] Voice 18: Take care.

[1:49:24] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:49:26] Voice 18: So

[1:49:27] Trustee Rogers: the next item on our agenda,

[1:49:30] Trustee Rogers: we're into local trust committee projects, 1221.

[1:49:35] Trustee Rogers: I think we'll try and do a couple of these

[1:49:37] Trustee Rogers: before we break for lunch.

[1:49:40] Trustee Rogers: I say that, I should never say that out loud.

[1:49:43] Trustee Rogers: 8.1, the Cannabis Regulations Staff Report,

[1:49:47] Trustee Rogers: which is found on page,

[1:49:49] Trustee Rogers: for all employees at home, 98 of the agenda.

[1:49:54] Trustee Rogers: I understand RPM Power is going to walk us through this.

[1:50:00] Voice 5: Trustees, so just to refresh your memory,

[1:50:04] Voice 5: this is bylaw 303.

[1:50:07] Voice 5: It has received first and second reading,

[1:50:09] Voice 5: and there has been a CIM associated

[1:50:11] Voice 5: associated with the cannabis bylaw.

[1:50:14] Voice 5: It essentially limits cannabis growing

[1:50:19] Voice 5: and production processing in the ALR and ag zones

[1:50:24] Voice 5: and limits the size of buildings associated

[1:50:27] Voice 5: with cannabis growing and production.

[1:50:30] Voice 5: And some setbacks in terms of property lines

[1:50:34] Voice 5: and that sort of thing.

[1:50:35] Voice 5: The bylaws have gone to the APC for comment

[1:50:39] Voice 5: and you've received those comments from them.

[1:50:42] Voice 5: In summary, essentially the comments that I heard

[1:50:49] Voice 5: and I did attend those APC meetings,

[1:50:52] Voice 5: one set of comments was sort of around nuisance impacts,

[1:50:56] Voice 5: so noise and light and smell.

[1:51:00] Voice 5: And I think the APC did recommend

[1:51:02] Voice 5: that you consider those kinds of impacts.

[1:51:05] Voice 5: my comments in the staff report in response to that are essentially that you could consider that

[1:51:14] Voice 5: but currently there are no regulations about other kinds of ag uses so there's no consideration for

[1:51:24] Voice 5: nuisances related to other crops or agricultural uses and so if you're going to do that it seems

[1:51:30] Voice 5: that you should do it for other kinds of crops too um uh the other kind of set of comments was about

[1:51:39] Voice 5: the fact that this bylaw limits cannabis growing and producing to the alr and ag zones and um i

[1:51:48] Voice 5: think the apc thought that you should consider expanding the net that the zones that that

[1:51:54] Voice 5: especially production would be in and the example that they gave was you know if you maybe you want

[1:52:00] Voice 5: to bake cookies in your garage as a as a um a home occupation um this would delimit that if

[1:52:11] Voice 5: you if you're in a residential zone you wouldn't be able to do that and the home occupation

[1:52:15] Voice 5: regulations also wouldn't contemplate something like that um so so they did ask that you consider

[1:52:22] Voice 5: that um so i i think it's a i definitely think it's a valid um question um part of that too

[1:52:33] Voice 5: is that there are there are likely existing facilities that are growing and or processing that

[1:52:40] Voice 5: um don't have zoning in place and after this bylaw is um if it were adopted as as is it wouldn't

[1:52:49] Voice 5: it wouldn't make those those facilities legal it wouldn't legalize them and they might they

[1:52:56] Voice 5: might still be eligible to get a federal license but the zoning would prevent them from being

[1:53:04] Voice 5: fully lawful but to address all of those things as the APC recommended really this project would

[1:53:14] Voice 5: need to start from scratch um you'd need to go back rescind your bylaw um readings and and

[1:53:21] Voice 5: reconsider those topics um so so in the end in the interest of of getting something done within

[1:53:31] Voice 5: the term um in part um we we recommend that you move forward with it um there has already been

[1:53:38] Voice 5: a cim we could do a second cim if you'd like um but um the bylaw at least as is has is unchanged

[1:53:47] Voice 5: and um so you could move forward to just a public hearing um and that is what staff have recommended

[1:53:54] Voice 5: um i recommended here um so that's my summary before

[1:54:03] Trustee Rogers: i turn to the trustees um when you say

[1:54:07] Trustee Rogers: say unchanged there were we did work through a number of amendments to the proposed bylaw uh

[1:54:13] Trustee Rogers: i can't recall them all but they had to do with setback and building size and things of that

[1:54:18] Trustee Rogers: nature yes got

[1:54:19] Trustee Rogers: to its final form um that we said where it sits right now so okay uh you're muted

[1:54:34] Voice 20: there chair rogers i

[1:54:36] Trustee Rogers: am again uh there's the courses before you i'm sorry about that and uh

[1:54:41] Trustee Rogers: I just

[1:54:46] Voice 20: had a question around the process as it stands on Salt Spring.

[1:54:49] Voice 20: I meant to research this before, but I'm wondering where they got to with their similar project?

[1:54:53] Voice 20: Yeah, I asked the planner this morning.

[1:54:55] Voice 5: Right. And I can't remember. I'm sorry. And I knew at one point and I forgot.

[1:55:03] Voice 5: I didn't think to ask again before we came here. Sorry.

[1:55:09] Voice 13: I think it's still on the back burner for them.

[1:55:11] Voice 13: I don't think that's my

[1:55:13] Voice 5: impression as well okay

[1:55:15] Voice 13: thank you that's what

[1:55:16] Voice 20: I thought as well

[1:55:19] Trustee Rogers: I have no idea why so um uh as to why it's sitting on the back so staffing

[1:55:28] Voice 13: staff uh

[1:55:29] Voice 13: number of staff probably oh

[1:55:32] Trustee Rogers: well I mean we did move this off our top priority for a while because

[1:55:37] Trustee Rogers: because for similar reasons to put a couple other things on.

[1:55:43] Trustee Rogers: So anyway, trustees, I'm not sure how you'd like to proceed.

[1:55:49] Trustee Rogers: It seems to me, we got the one comment,

[1:55:54] Trustee Rogers: the main comment from the APC is saying,

[1:55:58] Trustee Rogers: you shouldn't restrict this just to Ag zoned

[1:56:02] Trustee Rogers: and ALR zoned land.

[1:56:04] Trustee Rogers: I am um and but as as the RPM says that really means we'd have to go back and start from the

[1:56:13] Trustee Rogers: beginning because it would mean going and trying to find other places where we would zone it

[1:56:17] Trustee Rogers: appropriately that's the way I read your memo is that right RPM okay so I don't know what the

[1:56:24] Trustee Rogers: trustees uh and and that's that discussion frankly never came up at our LTC as I recall unless I've

[1:56:31] Trustee Rogers: forgotten until the APC sort of weighed in on it. So I don't know, I'm not sure what the...

[1:56:37] Trustee Rogers: I

[1:56:38] Voice 20: think it had been raised and that's a big part of the reason I've kind of

[1:56:41] Voice 20: opted to defer this until there's a full review of the OCP and it can be included then.

[1:56:46] Voice 20: I don't see this as a pressing issue. I see it as stepping into a space where we're

[1:56:52] Voice 20: restricting or limiting this crop kind of needlessly and the nuisance and other issues

[1:57:01] Voice 20: it raises the RPM is correct.

[1:57:03] Voice 20: I believe those would have to be applied

[1:57:04] Voice 20: to other crops as well.

[1:57:06] Voice 20: And that just gets us down a road

[1:57:08] Voice 20: where we're not acting in a food security way.

[1:57:10] Voice 20: We're just simply dealing with nuisances.

[1:57:13] Voice 20: And that doesn't seem a relevant use of our time either.

[1:57:16] Voice 20: So my position is still,

[1:57:18] Voice 20: I don't see this as being a high priority project.

[1:57:21] Voice 20: I would rather defer it until there is a review of the OCP

[1:57:25] Voice 20: that would allow,

[1:57:25] Voice 20: what was initially kind of supposed to be housekeeping

[1:57:28] Voice 20: of bringing us into line

[1:57:29] Voice 20: with federal and provincial regulation changes um it's simply in a practical term if you go to the

[1:57:36] Voice 20: retail cannabis store that we've um you know approved there's blends of of cannabis called

[1:57:44] Voice 20: gabriola i mean this is an existing this is an existing part of the uh the ecosystem culture

[1:57:50] Voice 20: here um uh i i just don't see this as a project that we should change in any significant factor

[1:57:58] Voice 20: or put too much staff time into i will say that the um coastal douglas fir project that's happening

[1:58:04] Voice 20: on salt spring seems like a much more in tune with the mandate of the trust and also what we're

[1:58:09] Voice 20: hearing in the community engagement process on another project that was we've heard nothing

[1:58:14] Voice 20: on this aside from the apc which i value their input but there's also some confusion and a letter

[1:58:20] Voice 20: from the eggy co-op which again is asking us to do things that are not in our regulatory power

[1:58:24] Voice 20: so to me this this speaks this speaks to the need to defer this but that's i'll just raise that

[1:58:31] Voice 20: point that's the point i've raised in the past and i'll let you two discuss it for me

[1:58:37] Voice 13: yeah i'm intending more in favor to proceeding with staff recommendations myself um

[1:58:45] Voice 13: we're right now the way it works agriculture is defined in such a way that includes cannabis and

[1:58:52] Voice 13: And it applies to small rural residential, large rural residential, resource forestry, and the resource residential one and two.

[1:59:00] Voice 13: So it's fairly widespread.

[1:59:02] Voice 13: There's no parameters around it at this point in time.

[1:59:07] Voice 13: So it's open to a lot of zones and no lot size restriction.

[1:59:12] Voice 13: It does open large properties, could potentially establish an industrial-sized cannabis production plant.

[1:59:20] Voice 13: there are some large agricultural lands and and resource lands and with resource lands and some

[1:59:28] Voice 13: of them how heavily are they forested right now they could then if they decide to do a large

[1:59:33] Voice 13: enterprise cut down a lot of trees and agriculture does require you know i mean we need agriculture

[1:59:42] Voice 13: for food agriculture for cannabis is more i consider more of a luxury product and a staple

[1:59:51] Voice 13: so i i that's my concern around that and i i agree that i mean there are there are

[2:00:00] Voice 13: apparently small operations occurring now but they would likely be of a very small scale

[2:00:06] Voice 13: right and and i don't know if there's been odor issues raised at all with specific ones on

[2:00:13] Voice 13: gabriel i did hear the apc talking about in delta where there's you know large industrial

[2:00:18] Voice 13: enterprises where there's there's odor issues the uh the cannabis act does require

[2:00:24] Voice 13: fire containment of odor on the standard processing.

[2:00:29] Voice 13: So, and the other issue that the planner raised

[2:00:36] Voice 13: was around, we have agriculture,

[2:00:38] Voice 13: we don't have any criteria around odor for them,

[2:00:44] Voice 13: other than through the intensive agriculture,

[2:00:47] Voice 13: which is only restricted to the agricultural zone.

[2:00:50] Voice 13: And that's for what they call confinement of poultry,

[2:00:54] Voice 13: livestock or fur-bearing animals which I presume is probably related to odour as well or one of

[2:01:00] Voice 13: the factors why it's only restricted to agriculture so yeah the other option of course is that

[2:01:11] Voice 13: somebody could apply to go into the agricultural zone that doesn't mean they have to they can

[2:01:17] Voice 13: rezone agriculture not they don't have to rezone as ALR so it's not a matter of applying to the ALR

[2:01:24] Voice 13: for that zoning it would be applying to the local trust committee so that i

[2:01:28] Trustee Rogers: can i ask you can i ask

[2:01:30] Trustee Rogers: you a question because you you you went over something that i i guess i should know but i

[2:01:35] Trustee Rogers: don't um you said that you that the zoning allows agricultural and you gave a whole bunch of

[2:01:43] Trustee Rogers: different zones that it is but that's different than something actually being zoned agriculture

[2:01:49] Trustee Rogers: right you're muted

[2:01:53] Voice 13: agriculture use is allowed in those zones but

[2:01:57] Trustee Rogers: there is a zone called agriculture

[2:01:59] Trustee Rogers: right yeah

[2:02:01] Voice 13: yeah but agriculture itself is also allowed but this

[2:02:04] Trustee Rogers: bylaw only allows

[2:02:06] Trustee Rogers: cannabis cultivation in the alrs or ag or our areas zoned agnon and all those other areas that

[2:02:18] Trustee Rogers: you mentioned yeah

[2:02:19] Voice 2: yeah yes

[2:02:20] Trustee Rogers: yeah okay i have another question um for the planner uh if we

[2:02:30] Trustee Rogers: if we took uh trustee colburn's view that this should be deferred until we do a fully ocp review

[2:02:39] Trustee Rogers: uh where where does that leave um cannabis cultivation operations that actually exist

[2:02:50] Trustee Rogers: It

[2:02:52] Voice 5: would still be allowed in ALR because we, people could still grow it in ALR because that's what the ALC allows.

[2:03:03] Voice 5: The one issue, and maybe this was part of why this was initiated in the first place, was that right now Gabriela has provisions for medical marijuana, but not recreational marijuana.

[2:03:15] Voice 5: marijuana. And so there could be some conflict. I mean, maybe not. You know, if it says medical

[2:03:22] Voice 5: marijuana, that means people can only do medical marijuana. But it's there's conflict with federal

[2:03:30] Voice 5: regulation now and all of that. So I know you're you're left with an out of date, out of date

[2:03:35] Voice 5: provisions for medical marijuana. Right.

[2:03:38] Trustee Rogers: So my other question is, I'm sorry, I don't want to

[2:03:43] Trustee Rogers: prolong this because i hear both points of view and i i hear trustee colburn and he's right i

[2:03:49] Trustee Rogers: would agree that cdf is much more important but if we can bring some finality to this then we

[2:03:55] Trustee Rogers: could take it off our project list um is is what would happen if instead of saying you can only

[2:04:05] Trustee Rogers: cultivate marijuana in an area that's zone agriculture if instead it said you can do it

[2:04:13] Trustee Rogers: in any zone where agriculture is allowed i

[2:04:21] Voice 13: would think that that's already allowed if you do

[2:04:24] Voice 13: nothing because agriculture is a use and we don't preclude it other than medical marijuana and i

[2:04:32] Voice 13: don't know if the federal licensing does have medical marijuana regulations as well as i

[2:04:38] Voice 13: understand it but

[2:04:40] Trustee Rogers: you see my you see my point if we if we actually said instead of restricting it

[2:04:46] Trustee Rogers: to alr and to a land that's zoned agriculture is if instead of saying that we said it's it's

[2:04:56] Trustee Rogers: restricted to alr and any land where agriculture is allowed does that address the apc issue and

[2:05:08] Trustee Rogers: And, or would it create a much bigger problem?

[2:05:11] Trustee Rogers: Because I don't know the answer to that question.

[2:05:14] Voice 13: It doesn't address the odor and the other-

[2:05:17] Trustee Rogers: No, it doesn't.

[2:05:18] Voice 13: I'm not even talking

[2:05:19] Trustee Rogers: about the odor.

[2:05:19] Trustee Rogers: I take this, I take the RPM's view that,

[2:05:23] Trustee Rogers: you know, that's probably a bigger issue

[2:05:24] Trustee Rogers: that we can come back to.

[2:05:26] Trustee Rogers: So, but that's my view.

[2:05:28] Trustee Rogers: But I'm just asking the question

[2:05:29] Trustee Rogers: about how to address what the APC said.

[2:05:32] Trustee Rogers: And if there's a way-

[2:05:33] Voice 5: Yeah, I

[2:05:34] Voice 5: don't know off the top of my head.

[2:05:35] Voice 5: I'd have to go away and look at the byline.

[2:05:37] Voice 5: of

[2:05:37] Trustee Rogers: the things you said was is if we took the apcs to in this project and said you we'd have to go

[2:05:45] Trustee Rogers: back and either identify specific properties we want to the zoning to apply or this regulation

[2:05:51] Trustee Rogers: applied to or we'd have to pick out the lots that it would have to apply to um but if we said

[2:05:59] Trustee Rogers: anywhere that agriculture is allowed you can do marijuana cultivation of course with all the

[2:06:06] Trustee Rogers: setbacks and everything else that are built into the bylaws I mean I'm wondering if that's a way

[2:06:12] Trustee Rogers: forward to address that issue of you said of somebody wanting to to um I don't know the answer

[2:06:19] Trustee Rogers: I'm asking the question um I

[2:06:21] Trustee Rogers: didn't realize and I thank trustee Langer as that there were all of

[2:06:24] Trustee Rogers: these other zones where agriculture is allowed as opposed to zones that that are actually zoned

[2:06:30] Trustee Rogers: to agriculture so i don't know if that's an answer and if it isn't i then i stand i i stand back and

[2:06:37] Trustee Rogers: i and i guess we have to figure out how to go forward we can either just do nothing or we can

[2:06:43] Trustee Rogers: or we can uh move forward staff report or whatever i don't know what you think

[2:06:48] Trustee Rogers: you have any suggestions rpm car well

[2:06:51] Voice 5: i think it's worth exploring and it's

[2:06:53] Voice 5: possible i mean um

[2:06:56] Voice 5: i yeah i

[2:06:57] Voice 5: don't know the bylaw well enough to be able to say off the top of my head so i'd have

[2:07:01] have

[2:07:01] Voice 5: to go back and research it. It's possible that it's a small enough, I mean, it's big in

[2:07:08] Voice 5: the sense that you're expanding, you know, the number of zones that would allow for it.

[2:07:13] Voice 5: But in terms of amending the bylaw, it might not be a big amendment or require that you go

[2:07:21] Voice 5: all the way back to scratch and start the project over. So it might be worth exploring and having

[2:07:28] Voice 5: me come back and give you that information and letting you know what what would happen i know

[2:07:34] Trustee Rogers: trustee colburn's point of view about that so i'm going to turn to you trustee longgrass does that

[2:07:38] Trustee Rogers: make any sense to get that further information or are you just wanting to are you thinking it

[2:07:42] Trustee Rogers: should just be limited to the ag zone the zone the land zoned agricultural and the alr at this point

[2:07:52] Voice 13: yeah until more more information on all of the other factors are sort of determined older lot

[2:07:57] Voice 13: lot size, zone, you know, yeah, there's more work, I think, that needs to be done to add in those

[2:08:06] Voice 13: other factors. I don't think it's a, I'm not sure it's just a simple change. Are we going to

[2:08:12] Voice 13: restrict the agriculture for cannabis on certain zones to certain lot sizes or not?

[2:08:20] Voice 13: or is it I mean that's one option there's another actually one other issue that

[2:08:28] Voice 13: was raised in the report and that's around soil-based versus non-soil-based right now we

[2:08:36] Voice 13: don't reference reference it as we can't restrict soil-based buildings but we can restrict it

[2:08:43] Voice 13: through uh any other flooring material you know yeah which and that's not addressed in the bylaw

[2:08:52] Voice 13: but okay

[2:08:54] Trustee Rogers: well you know what trustee you know what trustee colburn wants to do what would you like to

[2:08:59] Trustee Rogers: do then uh

[2:09:02] Voice 2: if if

[2:09:08] Voice 13: uh you know planning manager car wants to do it some initial research on

[2:09:15] Voice 13: some options i'm i'm open to that i don't know what the timeline is or the capacity

[2:09:21] Voice 13: for doing this is uh how long would the next meeting be too soon or several meetings from

[2:09:28] Voice 13: now there's

[2:09:28] Trustee Rogers: no there's no real urgency no it's not even on our top priorities what

[2:09:33] Trustee Rogers: what is did we put it back on yes

[2:09:38] Voice 13: that's why it's here okay sorry i

[2:09:41] Trustee Rogers: apologize yeah

[2:09:42] Trustee Rogers: i've forgotten we put it back yeah

[2:09:44] Voice 13: i just don't i would like to see some movement on this i mean

[2:09:48] Voice 13: it's been going on for a few years now and i'm all about i'm all

[2:09:53] Voice 13: about getting to completion

[2:09:54] Voice 13: yeah yeah so and and if

[2:09:57] Voice 13: we put it on the project list for you know down the road for the ocp that's

[2:10:02] Voice 13: going to be five six seven years i don't think that'll be happening in another year or so you

[2:10:07] Voice 13: know i think there's so much happening right now and it's like anyway yeah the

[2:10:14] Voice 5: next meeting might

[2:10:14] Voice 5: be a bit tight in terms of our internal but probably uh a june or july whatever the next

[2:10:22] Voice 5: meeting so so if if and

[2:10:25] Trustee Rogers: you i want you to tell me honestly rpm tower if this is too much i i i'm um

[2:10:32] Trustee Rogers: trying to move uh that we request staff to investigate the impacts of expanding um uh the

[2:10:45] Trustee Rogers: uh the um zones where uh marijuana cultivation is allowed to all those zones

[2:10:56] Trustee Rogers: um where agriculture is allowed uh and provide that information to the ltc um in other words

[2:11:05] Trustee Rogers: what the impact of that would be as further information for us to go for and i'm sorry

[2:11:10] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, Nadine, I'll come back and clean that motion up if we, unless the RPM, but I guess what it means is determining what zones our agriculture is allowed, and then sort of seeing what the impact is, because I'm guessing a lot of those lots would be too small for the kinds of setbacks we've set in.

[2:11:30] Trustee Rogers: but I if that's way too much work then tell me tell us that because I don't want this to become

[2:11:37] Trustee Rogers: a major project and I'm like uh because I'm with uh Trustee Colburn that I think this really

[2:11:43] Trustee Rogers: we really need to be focused on other things as much as possible but I know you'd like it

[2:11:48] Trustee Rogers: off your desk too yes

[2:11:51] Voice 5: I would um but no I I can I can I don't think that's a lot of work

[2:11:56] Voice 5: to be done it's just the timelines for the next meeting are a little tight but

[2:12:01] Voice 5: I think I think I can do that pretty easily so

[2:12:03] Trustee Rogers: if that's further information

[2:12:06] Trustee Rogers: that you'd be interested in trustee Langer eyes I'm prepared to make that

[2:12:10] Trustee Rogers: motion but I'm actually hearing you but I don't want to push you into that I'm

[2:12:16] Trustee Rogers: just sort of interested in your point of view and if you're interested in just

[2:12:19] Trustee Rogers: moving forward if it is the way it is I don't live on Gabriela so I don't know

[2:12:24] Trustee Rogers: know how this impacts like the island

[2:12:27] Voice 13: mixed feelings about this I do want to get moving

[2:12:32] Voice 13: forward um I'm trying not to be too rigid in my position but I do I came into this thinking that

[2:12:39] Voice 13: you know we really need to move this forward and it may not be the perfect solution in the in the

[2:12:46] Voice 13: long run but it is a partial solution from my perspective if you want

[2:12:51] Trustee Rogers: to make a motion make

[2:12:52] Trustee Rogers: a motion okay

[2:12:54] Voice 13: okay okay uh where's the motion okay well the motion that i would have is

[2:13:11] Voice 13: is related to adding it to the project list uh not not this but the subsequent follow-up so

[2:13:18] Voice 13: what i would

[2:13:18] Voice 13: want to do is move this forward and then add a motion which uh basically what i wrote

[2:13:24] Voice 13: that was that that staff add to the local trust committee project to review to consider a options

[2:13:31] Voice 13: to allow cannabis

[2:13:32] Voice 15: production in zones

[2:13:33] Voice 13: other than agriculture and alr land and i'm getting an echo

[2:13:39] Voice 13: and b regulations related

[2:13:42] Trustee Rogers: to

[2:13:44] Voice 13: odor water consumption like there's a

[2:13:47] Trustee Rogers: radio or something

[2:13:47] Trustee Rogers: playing in the background to somebody i'm not who it is yeah

[2:13:52] Voice 5: it might be me and my husband who's on

[2:13:55] Voice 5: the zoom call i will i'm sorry okay

[2:13:57] Trustee Rogers: okay i

[2:14:01] Voice 13: don't know where we got on this but uh so my sense is

[2:14:04] Voice 13: to move this forward as as rpm power has put forward in our motion and then to add a second

[2:14:12] Voice 13: motion which would add to the follow-up to the project list so

[2:14:17] Trustee Rogers: the follow-up would be looking

[2:14:18] Trustee Rogers: looking at other zones and

[2:14:20] Voice 13: older and yeah okay

[2:14:23] Trustee Rogers: well why don't you make yeah okay

[2:14:26] Trustee Rogers: thank you I

[2:14:27] Trustee Rogers: understand what you're planning and we'll see what yeah yeah okay okay

[2:14:31] Voice 13: I moved at the Gabriela Island

[2:14:33] Voice 13: local trust committee request staff to schedule a public hearing during the next regularly scheduled

[2:14:38] Voice 13: local trust committee meeting for proposed bylaw number 303 cited as Gabriela Island land use bylaw

[2:14:45] Voice 13: 1999 amendment number one 2019 is there a seconder i'll second that second

[2:14:53] Trustee Rogers: for the purpose okay

[2:14:54] Trustee Rogers: thanks yeah okay so okay okay so that motion has been made we know what his subsequent new

[2:15:00] Trustee Rogers: motion is trustee colburn over to you we haven't what your discretion yeah

[2:15:06] Voice 20: i find it interesting

[2:15:07] Voice 20: that you know the the aggie co-op wrote back to us saying don't allow it on agriculture or alr land

[2:15:13] Voice 20: and now we're saying well it's on all zones and so i think there's a little

[2:15:16] Voice 20: bit of misperception

[2:15:17] Voice 20: about what from a regulatory point of view we can um prohibit and now we're sort of going beyond

[2:15:23] Voice 20: that but this is the more equitable approach in some ways is that you're not restricting it to

[2:15:27] Voice 20: large property owners and owners who already have the zoning would allow an application process so

[2:15:32] Voice 20: but it sounds to me like trustee lingeris is actually making two projects now that you've

[2:15:37] Voice 20: got this primary one completed and then a second one that would look at some of the other issues

[2:15:42] Voice 20: that have come up with this

[2:15:43] Voice 20: and again i i think we're sort of yeah and

[2:15:46] Voice 20: i you know you raised a

[2:15:47] Voice 20: really good point about um tree cover and people um you know taking down contiguous forest cover

[2:15:54] Voice 20: um to put in a marijuana growing operation and i think that could be addressed through

[2:15:58] Voice 20: a cdf thing as well that you're you only can take down for agricultural purposes for the purpose of

[2:16:03] Voice 20: food security or something like i think there's ways to get at some of the outcomes you want from

[2:16:07] Voice 20: this without creating two projects um but um yeah it's uh but the issue here is this this has to

[2:16:17] Voice 20: take up space that other work will inhabit and i think there's some issues here that we can get at

[2:16:21] Voice 20: within within different projects and different processes i don't think an ocp review you know

[2:16:26] Voice 20: i'm as i've said since the beginning of this term i would love to see that especially with the local

[2:16:30] Voice 20: planning services overhaul that there'd be an opportunity to do things like this that are

[2:16:35] Voice 20: of housekeeping in nature that there's work being done and another local trust committee they put it

[2:16:40] Voice 20: on their back burner to focus on things that are more uh pressing and and that get at the climate

[2:16:45] Voice 20: change emergency reconciliation i i i know the work has been done i hear the the wish to complete

[2:16:52] Voice 20: it um i'm just i i think of this as in the same way the ecological zone this work is done then

[2:16:59] Voice 20: you can complete it at a time when it makes more sense and has a bigger impact um but i'm not i'm

[2:17:05] Voice 20: not in favor of turning two projects or one project into two which i think this motion would would do

[2:17:12] Voice 20: so um i don't want to be rigid in my i want to be responsive to

[2:17:16] Voice 20: the work that's been done but

[2:17:17] Voice 20: he

[2:17:18] Trustee Rogers: hasn't actually made his second motion but you're right the next motion would make would

[2:17:23] Trustee Rogers: the the original motion is just the one that's in the in the in the thing uh but he had we we

[2:17:29] Trustee Rogers: know he's going to make a second motion which would create another project you're right

[2:17:33] Trustee Rogers: so but the question on the table is this motion which would take us to a public hearing to

[2:17:38] Trustee Rogers: deal with the bylaws that are before yeah yeah leonard cower i just want to

[2:17:44] Voice 5: say too um our

[2:17:45] Voice 5: timelines are probably pretty tight to have a public hearing on the next agenda as well and so

[2:17:50] Voice 5: i um probably the following one okay

[2:17:54] Trustee Rogers: so could we can we amend the motion it's been seconded but

[2:17:57] Trustee Rogers: but can we amend the motion to be at a future scheduled

[2:18:07] Trustee Rogers: local trust committee?

[2:18:08] Trustee Rogers: Is that fair enough, Trustee Langeres?

[2:18:10] Voice 13: Yes, that makes sense, yeah.

[2:18:12] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so do you have anything to say further

[2:18:15] Trustee Rogers: in relation to the actual motion that's on the table?

[2:18:20] Voice 21: No. Okay.

[2:18:21] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I hear you, Trustee Coldren.

[2:18:25] Trustee Rogers: I'm gonna, but I think I wanna, there's a motion now.

[2:18:27] Trustee Rogers: it's been and it's before us we've talked about it um uh i'm going to call the vote so all in

[2:18:36] Trustee Rogers: favor of this particular motion say aye so that there's two votes in favor and do you want your

[2:18:42] Trustee Rogers: are you voting against uh trustee colbert yeah yeah i'll vote again yeah okay thanks so that's

[2:18:51] Trustee Rogers: recorded um uh now my trustee langras do you want to make a further motion yes

[2:18:57] Voice 13: i do uh yeah i moved

[2:18:59] Voice 13: that staff add to the local trust committee local trust committee project list a review to consider

[2:19:04] Voice 13: a options to allow cannabis production in zones other than agriculture and alr lands and b

[2:19:12] Voice 13: regulations related to odor water consumption and light pollution with respect to agriculture

[2:19:18] Voice 13: activities where permitted in a zone okay

[2:19:20] Trustee Rogers: so the but the challenge there is going to be nadine

[2:19:25] Voice 10: can you share a screen or something i

[2:19:28] Voice 13: what i will do is go

[2:19:30] Voice 10: slow hold

[2:19:32] Voice 13: on a sec here uh

[2:19:33] Voice 13: i'll send you the email i don't know how to share a screen that's my problem um

[2:19:40] Voice 13: be one sec i don't have your email address doesn't show up

[2:19:58] Voice 14: If you

[2:19:59] Trustee Rogers: send it to Sonia.

[2:20:00] Trustee Rogers: Why don't you just read it very slowly?

[2:20:03] Voice 10: Yeah, just go slow.

[2:20:08] Voice 2: Okay, hold on, let me find it again.

[2:20:19] Voice 13: I've lost my, oh I hear this. Okay, I move that staff add to the Local Trust Committee

[2:20:29] Voice 13: project list a review to consider a options to allow cannabis production

[2:20:40] Voice 13: in zones other than agriculture and ALR lands and b regulations related to odor water consumption

[2:20:51] Voice 13: and light pollution with with respect to agriculture activities where permitted in a zone

[2:21:00] Voice 13: can

[2:21:02] Voice 10: you just repeat b again please b

[2:21:04] Voice 13: yeah yeah regulations related to odor water consumption

[2:21:09] Voice 13: and light pollution with respect to agriculture activities

[2:21:14] Voice 13: where permitted in a zone.

[2:21:18] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:21:20] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so this is a project lift.

[2:21:22] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2:21:23] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[2:21:27] Voice 21: And

[2:21:28] Trustee Rogers: okay, so that motion,

[2:21:30] Trustee Rogers: when you tell me you've got it, Nadine.

[2:21:34] Voice 10: Oh, hold on.

[2:21:35] Voice 10: I just need with the last,

[2:21:37] Voice 10: with light pollution with respect to.

[2:21:41] Voice 13: agriculture activities where permitted in a zone got

[2:21:52] Voice 10: it okay

[2:21:55] Trustee Rogers: thanks very much so effectively your

[2:21:57] Trustee Rogers: intention is is to address the two issues raised by the apc in a future project yeah

[2:22:02] Voice 13: and it could

[2:22:03] Voice 13: well be picked up by a larger project if the ocp project occurs they can i don't think there's

[2:22:09] Voice 13: anything stopping us from adding if there's going to be a larger project that it could be

[2:22:13] Voice 13: another project could be incorporated or included so

[2:22:17] Trustee Rogers: um is there a seconder for that

[2:22:20] Trustee Rogers: uh seconded by trustee colburn do you wish to discuss uh beyond what you've already said about

[2:22:26] Trustee Rogers: this uh trustee colburn no no i think i've expressed my

[2:22:31] Trustee Rogers: position okay so you know putting

[2:22:33] Trustee Rogers: stuff on the project list is a way to move forward and and i think you're right uh i'm

[2:22:39] Trustee Rogers: going to support this motion because i think because i think it could be picked up by another

[2:22:43] Trustee Rogers: other project and we can sort of bundle some things together as an LUB or OCP review and we

[2:22:48] Trustee Rogers: get to that stage hopefully. So you know sometimes there's there's a view you just put it on a

[2:22:55] Trustee Rogers: parking lot on the project list and how long it stays there is anyway. So if there's nothing

[2:23:01] Trustee Rogers: further do you have anything further you want to say Trustee Longer? No then I'll call a vote

[2:23:06] Trustee Rogers: and I'll vote in favor and Trustee Colburn is.

[2:23:11] Voice 20: I'll abstain on this one with the understanding

[2:23:13] Voice 20: that it's a it's a positive vote because I agree with the context

[2:23:17] Trustee Rogers: of this it's just I would use a

[2:23:19] Voice 20: different process yes

[2:23:20] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate that thank you very much and uh are we I think we're finished on

[2:23:25] Trustee Rogers: this issue right okay thanks very much I'm going to just suggest that perhaps we do one more thing

[2:23:31] Trustee Rogers: before we break for our lunch if that's okay with everybody but if anybody tells me they need to

[2:23:36] Trustee Rogers: break otherwise i'm going to suggest we do the coastal douglas fir uh projects memorandum um

[2:23:43] Trustee Rogers: and maybe even the active transportation grant project charter before we break for lunch and

[2:23:49] Trustee Rogers: then break and then come back and talk about housing options um so the next item is the um

[2:23:56] Trustee Rogers: uh the coastal douglas fern again that's you rpm power as i understand it which the memo is from

[2:24:02] Trustee Rogers: you so i assume it's you and this is in response to a request we made um last month i believe so

[2:24:11] Trustee Rogers: over to you yeah

[2:24:13] Voice 5: um just kind of letting you know what kinds of cdf coastal douglas for projects are

[2:24:19] Voice 5: going on in the trust at the moment that you might be able to take advantage of um so salt spring has

[2:24:26] Voice 5: a coastal douglas fair project that they've got going on this initial phase of it is kind of a

[2:24:33] Voice 5: data collection and educational aspect they have students from viu helping out with creating

[2:24:42] Voice 5: posters and graphics and that kind of thing and and it may or may not lead to some bylaw

[2:24:50] Voice 5: amendments in their ocpa and lub related to cdf if it if it does um that could definitely be

[2:24:59] Voice 5: something that the gabriella would want to look at at the same time this year we have the regional

[2:25:04] Voice 5: planning committee will be hiring consultants to help develop a coastal douglas fir model

[2:25:11] Voice 5: development permit area and i think that's definitely something that the ltc should

[2:25:17] Voice 5: should consider if it comes around. In addition to that, since I've written this report,

[2:25:24] Voice 5: what I've come to understand is that the CAO has put together sort of a consortium of

[2:25:31] Voice 5: interested staff to start looking at CDF in a bigger, like, trust-wide area. What are all of

[2:25:39] Voice 5: the ways, what's all the information we have about Coastal Douglas for right now? What's all the data

[2:25:45] Voice 5: we've collected what's what are missing pieces about data what how have we been dress addressing

[2:25:51] Voice 5: it regulatorily um what kind of lobbying uh i say lobbying but what kind of efforts can we make

[2:25:58] Voice 5: um talking to the ministries about giving us more powers around um tree protection and so looking at

[2:26:06] Voice 5: it more from kind of a comprehensive all the ways in which we can influence protection of coastal

[2:26:11] Voice 5: Douglas fir. So Marnie Egan from the northern office who has now been reassigned to the regional

[2:26:17] Voice 5: planning team, she is going to be working on the Gambier official community plan project and a

[2:26:24] Voice 5: primary focus of that project is forestry on Gambier and so she's part of that coastal Douglas

[2:26:32] Voice 5: fir working group and will be taking some of that information and developing a discussion paper for

[2:26:40] Voice 5: Gambier related to forestry so likely that product will also be a good information and we can

[2:26:50] Voice 5: definitely be bringing it back to the LTC in regards to that so really just some ideas things

[2:26:56] Voice 5: that are going on trust wide in terms of coastal Douglas fir and some things to think about as

[2:27:01] Voice 5: you're looking at a as at a project

[2:27:03] Trustee Rogers: before I turn this over to the trustees I did I wanted to follow

[2:27:08] Trustee Rogers: follow up on something you said, and I sort of touched on it in our reports, but at the EC

[2:27:19] Trustee Rogers: meeting yesterday, I'm just trying to find the part, the CAO did mention, bring up the fact that

[2:27:30] Trustee Rogers: because the Trust Council amended the strategic plan to put forest protection as one of the

[2:27:37] Trustee Rogers: strategic planned items he's he sort of told us a little bit about what you were talking about

[2:27:42] Trustee Rogers: there that he's sort of gathering these resources he's sort of taken this on to a certain extent on

[2:27:48] Trustee Rogers: his own but this is a project he's going to be working on along with everybody else and he

[2:27:53] Trustee Rogers: expected to bring to us at the ec probably if not the next meeting the one after that

[2:28:00] Trustee Rogers: a sort of a suite of of uh options that might be available as you say across the trust and what

[2:28:07] Trustee Rogers: where we're at on all of those uh actions etc but it's now a strategic plan item that they're

[2:28:13] Trustee Rogers: putting some resources behind and i believe there were at least a couple of funding decisions made

[2:28:17] Trustee Rogers: in the budget related to this as well okay uh that's all i really wanted to say to sort of

[2:28:23] Trustee Rogers: fill that piece in for the trustees and um if trustee uh colburn seems to be reaching for his

[2:28:30] Trustee Rogers: mouse yes over to you uh

[2:28:34] Voice 20: yeah i mean it's kind of been my i just want to make something very clear

[2:28:37] Voice 20: because it's something we've sort of i'm not sure if rpm car was here when some of these discussions

[2:28:41] Voice 20: were had but we did and this this came up in the the housing um work uh working group report as

[2:28:49] Voice 20: well that we haven't we haven't um uh done any of the costa douglas for toolkit um things here but

[2:28:57] Voice 20: But the truth is that we've asked that each project take into account that toolkit and the conservation strategy.

[2:29:04] Voice 20: So the housing project has CDF protection as one of its within the scope.

[2:29:10] Voice 20: And that has been our approach here with the understanding that there would be some sort of trust wide initiative to bring in a DPA or something.

[2:29:19] Voice 20: And that's been the process that I thought was sort of happening.

[2:29:23] Voice 20: so it's good to hear that is i was very impressed with this project scope from salt spring and and

[2:29:30] Voice 20: um the community engagement that they've done there they've obviously got some some

[2:29:33] Voice 20: large logging um operations there as we do here and and it's just it's so far outside

[2:29:40] Voice 20: the mandate in the scope of the trust that it's shocking to to a lot of people that it's allowed

[2:29:44] Voice 20: but um and i'm glad to hear that the chair has met with the the minister of municipal affairs

[2:29:50] Voice 20: And I'm wondering if some advocacy can be done and some letters written from community

[2:29:55] Voice 20: members asking for that from the minister that we get those regulatory powers.

[2:30:00] Voice 20: motion I put forward at Trust Council in December, I believe, based on Raincoast Conservation

[2:30:04] Voice 20: delegation there. So we just want to be very clear, the CDF protection is embedded in the

[2:30:12] Voice 20: projects that we're working on. And I'm hoping that we get a DPA for the whole trust that would

[2:30:18] Voice 20: allow us to incorporate some of that into our OCP. So this was, it's an impressive project.

[2:30:24] Voice 20: I think it's, it kind of goes in line with some of the things we're doing here.

[2:30:29] Voice 20: And again, I kind of made the case in the last discussion about where I'd like to see our resources go.

[2:30:37] Voice 20: So

[2:30:37] Trustee Rogers: just two things, if I could just answer a couple of things.

[2:30:41] Trustee Rogers: One is there were some, there have been some letters written to the Minister about the tree cutting protection.

[2:30:47] Trustee Rogers: I believe they came from North Pender and Salt Spring, but sure, absolutely.

[2:30:50] Trustee Rogers: absolutely uh minister osborne is the minister to direct those two uh this is a this is an authority

[2:30:57] Trustee Rogers: under the minister of municipal affairs they are considering our request we've made it they asked

[2:31:03] Trustee Rogers: us why we wanted it and we gave them as many reasons as we possibly could and they and now

[2:31:08] Trustee Rogers: there is ongoing staff to staff discussion about what that might look like um uh the second thing

[2:31:14] Trustee Rogers: I wanted to ask is just remember DPAs can't be a trust-wide thing. It could be a model DPA

[2:31:21] Trustee Rogers: put out by the Regional Planning Committee. It's an LTC by LTC function. We're the local government

[2:31:27] Trustee Rogers: or the local authority here and we have to decide on those things. I noted in the Salt Spring

[2:31:37] Trustee Rogers: project charter that that's one of the things they focus on is the potential of putting together a

[2:31:43] Trustee Rogers: Douglas Coastal Douglas for DPA as one of the outcomes in scope discussions so just so you're

[2:31:50] Trustee Rogers: aware of that but whatever comes out of the regional planning committee and whatever comes

[2:31:55] Trustee Rogers: out of the lobbying unless somehow or other the legislation was amended to give the trust council

[2:32:01] Trustee Rogers: the ability to put a DPA and it's going to be up to us to do this local trust committee to do

[2:32:08] Trustee Rogers: do something like that but

[2:32:09] Voice 20: yeah but the the work of putting that amendment together would still be

[2:32:13] Voice 20: done at a different body like it didn't need to be a project here because it's my understanding

[2:32:17] Voice 20: that it was going to be right done yeah

[2:32:20] Voice 15: yeah

[2:32:21] Voice 13: it's on the strategic plan to develop a model uh dpa

[2:32:25] Voice 13: for coastal delta toolkit in this fiscal year so right it's on the agenda

[2:32:31] Trustee Rogers: right so that should

[2:32:32] Trustee Rogers: come to us and then we could and we could see how that melds with the housing work yeah yeah

[2:32:37] Trustee Rogers: It talks about that quite a bit.

[2:32:41] Trustee Rogers: So, Trustee, I feel like you haven't commented.

[2:32:44] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything, I don't know if there's anything we want to do.

[2:32:47] Trustee Rogers: This is good information.

[2:32:48] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything further we want to talk about or do about this?

[2:32:52] Voice 13: I don't know.

[2:32:53] Voice 13: We can't put it on the project list.

[2:32:55] Voice 13: You can, but

[2:32:57] Voice 13: it'll just make it longer.

[2:33:00] Voice 13: And it's only one, I mean, one of the challenges we're going to be facing

[2:33:04] Voice 13: is the change the restructuring of the LPS under a LPS review because we have we list three projects

[2:33:12] Voice 13: and we're not going to be having three projects you know down the road I suspect but one you know

[2:33:18] Trustee Rogers: I'm not so sure about that but

[2:33:20] Voice 13: there you go

[2:33:20] Trustee Rogers: yeah but don't the RPM would say that

[2:33:25] Voice 13: oh you're I'll take that as a positive well

[2:33:29] Trustee Rogers: it's interesting because I know there's discussions

[2:33:32] Trustee Rogers: at the regional planning team

[2:33:34] Trustee Rogers: about reducing it down to one.

[2:33:36] Trustee Rogers: I can tell you that, and I know how RPM Cower

[2:33:41] Trustee Rogers: has been very assiduous in making us aware

[2:33:43] Trustee Rogers: of the limitations of the resources of the project.

[2:33:47] Trustee Rogers: I can tell you that the Southern Gulf Islands

[2:33:50] Trustee Rogers: are continuing to put three projects forward all the time.

[2:33:53] Trustee Rogers: So there's no, there doesn't seem to be the same.

[2:33:57] Trustee Rogers: I don't know where that's going to end.

[2:33:59] Trustee Rogers: yeah yeah

[2:34:00] Voice 13: i guess the question is you have three projects how many are being actioned at any one

[2:34:04] Voice 13: time that's the problem yeah it

[2:34:06] Trustee Rogers: is um so uh is there anything more you'd like to do with this

[2:34:12] Trustee Rogers: with this information at this time

[2:34:14] Voice 13: and not at this point in time because i don't see us having

[2:34:20] Voice 13: the capacity to act upon it to start a project at this right now but i would like i would like

[2:34:26] Voice 13: see this moving forward at the next spot we have free on the uh project list here the top priority

[2:34:32] Trustee Rogers: it won't be long because either cannabis will either get deferred or or or will get finished

[2:34:40] Trustee Rogers: well

[2:34:40] Voice 13: the actually the active transportation grant is one of our priorities and it's i mean it's

[2:34:46] Voice 13: really more contract monitoring after may as i understand it right and then so at that was the

[2:34:53] Trustee Rogers: that was the other one i was going to say is going to sort of drop off our top bar once it's

[2:34:59] Trustee Rogers: so i

[2:35:00] Voice 13: would like to add some sort of project to replace that when that one ends although i mean

[2:35:07] Voice 13: it's the contract is done in may it shows that the end date is december but my assumption is that

[2:35:14] Voice 13: from may to december i don't know how much staff time would actually be involved or if it's minimal

[2:35:19] Voice 13: or is monitoring more as I understand that.

[2:35:22] Trustee Rogers: Why don't we do this before we break for lunch?

[2:35:25] Trustee Rogers: Why don't we invite, if she's still around,

[2:35:27] Trustee Rogers: Planner Zupanich to come and tell us that.

[2:35:33] Trustee Rogers: Why don't we go to 8.4

[2:35:36] Trustee Rogers: in the Active Transportation Grant Project Charter

[2:35:39] Trustee Rogers: and we can discuss that and then we'll break

[2:35:42] Trustee Rogers: for half an hour and come back

[2:35:43] Trustee Rogers: and talk about the housing options.

[2:35:45] Trustee Rogers: Over to you, Planner Zupanich.

[2:35:48] Planner Zupanec: Sure, thanks, just let me pull that up.

[2:35:52] Trustee Rogers: And for those with us, the attendees with us

[2:35:55] Trustee Rogers: and I see somebody's hand is up. Derek Kilbourne. I think Derek, I don't mind answering questions

[2:36:05] Trustee Rogers: from Derek at this point, just as a procedural thing. If it's more substantive than not,

[2:36:11] Trustee Rogers: but I think it's good to have clarity in the process. Could we let Derek ask his question,

[2:36:16] Trustee Rogers: please?

[2:36:21] Voice 19: Am I on? You are. Okay. This was going back to the cannabis discussions,

[2:36:27] Voice 19: so just a little clarity um when you're talking about expanding the product the zonings that are

[2:36:32] Voice 19: allowed to have that if you expand it to be permitted on any property where agriculture

[2:36:35] Voice 19: is permitted would that include all residential properties where agriculture is listed as an

[2:36:40] Voice 19: accessory and are you wanting it listed as a principal or an accessory use okay well first

[2:36:47] Voice 19: of all we didn't do that yep

[2:36:49] Trustee Rogers: um so

[2:36:51] Voice 19: you're asking for a report but no we

[2:36:53] Trustee Rogers: didn't we didn't actually

[2:36:54] Trustee Rogers: leave and ask for a report uh i i suggested that and they didn't get there was no uptake

[2:37:01] Trustee Rogers: okay so all we did was pass the motion that's in the staff report and then put on our project list

[2:37:07] Trustee Rogers: the issue that you're raising and i suppose when we get to that we'll get to it so understood thanks

[2:37:13] Trustee Rogers: thanks there okay sorry about sorry about that but it's always better to have clarity

[2:37:17] Trustee Rogers: already. Over to you, Planner Sippen.

[2:37:25] Voice 14: You're muted, Sonya.

[2:37:34] Planner Zupanec: Okay. So the purpose of this report was to confirm that your application to

[2:37:42] Planner Zupanec: VCM has been approved, and so now it's time for you to consider endorsing an actual project

[2:37:48] Planner Zupanec: charter so that it dedicates the necessary staff resources to initiate this project.

[2:37:55] Planner Zupanec: So I'm going to skip right to the project charter, assuming that you've read the background

[2:37:59] Planner Zupanec: information related to the grant you're familiar with the grant itself let me just find the project

[2:38:08] Planner Zupanec: chart here okay okay so we've laid it out as per our usual standard format to provide you with the

[2:38:21] Planner Zupanec: objectives the scope and what is not included in this project so we're proposing that a consultant

[2:38:29] Planner Zupanec: be retained in order to actually lead this project through to completion

[2:38:33] Planner Zupanec: planning staff and grant administration staff as well as admin staff would still be required

[2:38:39] Planner Zupanec: to support this project in order to submit the final report to the funder and to conduct any

[2:38:46] Planner Zupanec: necessary outreach and support with general administration support. So we do need to

[2:38:55] Planner Zupanec: complete this by the end of this year in order to meet our funding deadlines and the funding,

[2:39:05] Planner Zupanec: the only update I can provide you on this funding piece is that we've actually been notified by UBCM

[2:39:10] Planner Zupanec: that they can bump up their contribution in order to offset the contributions of the other two

[2:39:15] Planner Zupanec: funders to allow for the RDN and for the Chamber of Commerce to use those funds for different

[2:39:21] Planner Zupanec: projects. So we're going to pursue that if the LTC does endorse this project

[2:39:26] Planner Zupanec: charter and therefore the amount of money coming from UBCM would simply

[2:39:35] Planner Zupanec: cover those two other cost-sharing requirements and allow those groups to

[2:39:41] Planner Zupanec: use that money for other local projects. So we could begin by summertime if we're

[2:39:49] Planner Zupanec: able to retain our consultant to get started on this so my time is allocated to prepare that

[2:39:56] Planner Zupanec: RFP process and see that through and get the consultant started which would start

[2:40:03] Planner Zupanec: you know as of next week if you do endorse this project charter so you may amend this charter

[2:40:10] Planner Zupanec: however you wish you can provide me with some information to provide you with a revised project

[2:40:18] Planner Zupanec: Charter at a future date and I'm here to take your direction on this project it

[2:40:23] Planner Zupanec: is one of your top priorities and I'll take any questions that you have hey

[2:40:30] Voice 21: trustees yeah thanks

[2:40:35] Voice 20: for this that's great news that UBCM and the province

[2:40:38] Voice 20: are gonna financially support this and allow for other things that I think

[2:40:42] Voice 20: we've corresponded we don't need a motion to that effect today from us is

[2:40:46] Voice 20: that correct as we approve this project charter then you can do that sort of the

[2:40:50] Voice 20: the financial stuff behind the scenes,

[2:40:51] Voice 20: but I'm sure the chamber will be happy with that.

[2:40:53] Voice 20: I can just comment that the advisory group

[2:40:55] Voice 20: of key stakeholders have already volunteered.

[2:40:58] Voice 20: It's some of the people who helped put this grant together.

[2:41:00] Voice 20: And I really wanna thank the Healthy Transportation Network

[2:41:02] Voice 20: and Steve Earl and Helen Cook and Faye Weller,

[2:41:06] Voice 20: Julie Sperber and Vanessa Craig for her work at the RDN.

[2:41:11] Voice 20: So people are stepping up to be on that group.

[2:41:14] Voice 20: And so that's great news.

[2:41:16] Voice 20: and I think at this point, I just like to put the motion

[2:41:21] Voice 20: forward unless there's other discussion items.

[2:41:26] Voice 13: No, I'm in favor of passing this motion as well.

[2:41:30] Voice 13: My only question was around just the time and commitment

[2:41:35] Voice 13: for other work that we would like Sonja to do potentially.

[2:41:43] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, well, why don't we make the motion

[2:41:46] Trustee Rogers: and then we can have that discussion

[2:41:47] Trustee Rogers: about what that means for our top priority list.

[2:41:52] Trustee Rogers: So go ahead, Trustee Polin.

[2:41:54] Voice 20: Absolutely.

[2:41:55] Voice 20: I'm just looking for it in my...

[2:41:57] Trustee Rogers: It's on page 278.

[2:42:01] Voice 13: It's on

[2:42:02] Voice 13: the screen now.

[2:42:04] Voice 20: Okay.

[2:42:05] Voice 20: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[2:42:08] Voice 20: endorse the project charter v. version 1

[2:42:10] Voice 20: for the Gabriel A Cycle Route Plan

[2:42:12] Voice 20: Ferry Terminal to Village Connectors Project.

[2:42:15] Trustee Rogers: And that's been seconded by Trustee Longearth.

[2:42:18] Trustee Rogers: Any comment, further things you'd like to say, trustees?

[2:42:23] No.

[2:42:23] can

[2:42:25] Trustee Rogers: i just say from my perspective of you know being involved in the number violence of the

[2:42:29] Trustee Rogers: trust um this is a fabulous example of what can happen if you with the initiative of the trust

[2:42:37] Trustee Rogers: in the local trust committee and and it's being watched by other local trust committees and we

[2:42:42] Trustee Rogers: talk about it from time to time so congratulations uh on getting this and you know yeah we had to

[2:42:48] Trustee Rogers: get a motion put through trust council to do this so and uh so good for you congratulations i think

[2:42:53] Trustee Rogers: it's a great project so i'll call them if there's nothing further i'll call the vote yeah

[2:42:57] Voice 13: i i have

[2:42:58] Voice 13: to congratulate scott as well on that yeah so

[2:43:01] Trustee Rogers: that passed unanimously so the question that was

[2:43:04] Trustee Rogers: the the yeah and all the staff work i but we had to put it on our top priorities list so my question

[2:43:10] Trustee Rogers: for the planner zupanich and planner cower is is it possible for this to come off our top priority

[2:43:16] Trustee Rogers: list after the contract is left or not until the project is the final report is finished no the

[2:43:23] Planner Zupanec: the only reason you could take it off is because there would be less than two hours of work left

[2:43:27] Planner Zupanec: to sort of wrap it up which will not that's not the case at all even once the contractor gets

[2:43:31] Planner Zupanec: started there's there's still significant requirements for admin staff and planning

[2:43:36] Planner Zupanec: staff to liaise with the consultant to make sure that you're up to date the reporting deadlines

[2:43:41] Planner Zupanec: for the funder are met so it stays on sorry okay

[2:43:48] Trustee Rogers: and it's noted as we come back from lunch

[2:43:52] Trustee Rogers: it's i i just want to say what i said to you this morning it's noted that you know this is this is

[2:43:58] Trustee Rogers: the reality of staffing scenarios that even doing this project is you've said may impact what work

[2:44:05] Trustee Rogers: you can do on the housing project um and we need to be mindful of that and think about that as we

[2:44:10] Trustee Rogers: get into our discussion about the housing project and how we resource that so um if there's nothing

[2:44:17] Trustee Rogers: I think further on this, I'm not trying to rush the trustees through, but in my mind,

[2:44:24] Trustee Rogers: we've finished 8.1, 8.2, and 8.4 of the agenda, and that would take us to 8.3, which is the

[2:44:31] Trustee Rogers: housing options report.

[2:44:33] Trustee Rogers: And if I could ask you, is this an appropriate time for a break?

[2:44:38] Trustee Rogers: And we can come back at, how long would you like for a break?

[2:44:45] Trustee Rogers: Half an hour enough?

[2:44:46] Trustee Rogers: Is that enough for

[2:44:48] Voice 14: you, Trustee Goldberg?

[2:44:49] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so we'll come back at, I've got 160.

[2:44:55] Trustee Rogers: Let's say we'll come back at 150, and we'll pick up on 8.3,

[2:45:02] Trustee Rogers: which is the Housing Options and Impacts Review Project

[2:45:04] Trustee Rogers: and the rest of the agenda.

[2:45:06] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[2:45:08] Trustee Rogers: Yes, Sonia?

[2:45:09] Planner Zupanec: Did you vote in favor of that resolution?

[2:45:12] Trustee Rogers: Yes, we passed unanimously.

[2:45:14] Planner Zupanec: Okay, thank you.

[2:45:15] Trustee Rogers: I'm sorry, I thought I did anyway.

[2:45:16] Trustee Rogers: Anyway, did I not call the vote?

[2:45:18] Trustee Rogers: I thought I did.

[2:45:20] Trustee Rogers: Sorry about that, but we all passed.

[2:45:23] Trustee Rogers: We all voted in favor.

[2:45:26] Trustee Rogers: Okay, is there anything else before we break?

[2:45:30] Trustee Rogers: No, okay, so all of you with us,

[2:45:32] Trustee Rogers: we'll see you

[2:45:33] Voice 14: at 10 to two at 1.

[3:18:26] Voice 14: Mayor Mrakas, planners lupin it's nice to see you again there is.

[3:19:11] Voice 14: Mayor Mrakas, Your honors i'm here

[3:19:17] Voice 20: i'm just gulping down a bit more food.

[3:19:20] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, that's fine I saw you and I will, we will continue, you can join us when you're ready, I mean you're here, but you can turn your camera on when you're ready.

[3:19:31] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, So welcome back to everybody we're continuing our meeting and coach salish territories happy to be here.

[3:19:40] Trustee Rogers: um we're at item 8.3 on the agenda uh i see ms elliott's still here if we have questions for her

[3:19:50] Trustee Rogers: so thank you for sticking with us we'll let you know if we do and um uh i'm going to turn it over

[3:19:57] Trustee Rogers: to uh planners living to take us through um this where we're at in this process thank you sonja

[3:20:06] Trustee Rogers: over to you thank

[3:20:10] Planner Zupanec: you so I'm pulling up the HAPC housing advisory planning commission minutes that

[3:20:16] Planner Zupanec: are in this agenda package as that is the starting point for your discussion I suspect

[3:20:22] Planner Zupanec: just a quick recap for those folks who are not familiar the housing advisory planning commission

[3:20:29] Planner Zupanec: was able to over the last four months work to do community consultation on behalf of the local

[3:20:37] Planner Zupanec: trust committee towards the housing options and impacts review project and so in october the ltc

[3:20:44] Planner Zupanec: provided some funding towards that and their goal was to provide some recommendations back to the

[3:20:52] Planner Zupanec: ltc on april 15th and they did it so here we are with a very robust report and recommendations

[3:21:01] Planner Zupanec: for the LTC to consider on time and within the budget that you allocated plus leveraging

[3:21:08] Planner Zupanec: community funds so a pretty amazing feat several people and up to 400 or so community members

[3:21:17] Planner Zupanec: responding to the surveys so all that information is in this agenda package it was completed by

[3:21:25] Planner Zupanec: April 1st in terms of these resolutions coming forward so there was insufficient time for staff

[3:21:30] Planner Zupanec: to do an analysis and provide a full report for this agenda deadline so I am

[3:21:38] Planner Zupanec: here in a capacity to provide any support that you need today as well as

[3:21:44] Planner Zupanec: take your direction in next steps moving forward recognizing that of course

[3:21:50] Planner Zupanec: behind the scenes we've been thinking a lot about what to do next and how this

[3:21:55] Planner Zupanec: could play out. I think these four resolutions from your HAPC are

[3:22:01] Planner Zupanec: cornerstone to your discussion so that's why they're on the screen. If they're not

[3:22:05] Planner Zupanec: helpful I can switch to any element or aspect of this agenda package including

[3:22:10] Planner Zupanec: the actual full report, the Gabriel Housing Matters report. So I'll just go

[3:22:21] Planner Zupanec: through these resolutions and really we're going to focus on the last two I

[3:22:27] Planner Zupanec: I think in terms of the first one it just to indicate to you that the HAPC enthusiastically

[3:22:33] Planner Zupanec: endorsed this final report of recommendations and unanimously encourage you to look at

[3:22:41] Planner Zupanec: the report in its entirety that's why it's included in this agenda package so hopefully

[3:22:45] Planner Zupanec: you've had a chance to go through it from start to finish it is not just a summary of the survey

[3:22:50] Planner Zupanec: responses that were conducted it is also a very comprehensive background on housing biodiversity

[3:22:57] Planner Zupanec: water and growth management topics that are pertinent and timely to gabriola as of you know

[3:23:02] Planner Zupanec: now drawing on a lot of resources in the community as well as your own planning staff support

[3:23:10] Planner Zupanec: so the other key consideration is the lts the hapc wanted to ensure that you looked at their

[3:23:18] Planner Zupanec: top priorities moving forward based on their minutes themselves, but also their color-coded

[3:23:28] Planner Zupanec: priority chart sheet, which is we used an online interactive tool, which was actually quite

[3:23:34] Planner Zupanec: interesting. So I'm just flipping the screen here to show you that snapshot, which you received

[3:23:38] Planner Zupanec: separately. And it's just a color-coded piece focusing on the different topics of the growth

[3:23:45] Planner Zupanec: management strategy, the biodiversity and water issues. So I won't look at this too much,

[3:23:55] Planner Zupanec: but just to remind you that this is the color coding that's referenced in their resolution

[3:23:59] Planner Zupanec: and it codes it related to the greatest impact versus the top priority options. So the greens

[3:24:05] Planner Zupanec: and the reds are really the key elements that they were focusing on. As well in the minutes,

[3:24:12] Planner Zupanec: There's an exhaustive list of the other options and considerations that the HAPC wanted the LTC to consider in developing the next phases of the project.

[3:24:22] Planner Zupanec: So there's substantial information there relevant to amendments to policies, amendments to regulations, and possible options moving forward.

[3:24:33] Planner Zupanec: As well, a resolution pertaining directly to resourcing.

[3:24:36] Planner Zupanec: And so that's where we require some direction and some clarity on how to leverage Federation resources to advance this project, as we would also concur with the project budget of $4,000, which is what it stands in this new fiscal, would be insufficient to tackle any number of items, but could theoretically tackle one small piece of the recommendations that are

[3:25:06] Planner Zupanec: included in this package. So I can pull up any part of this big chunk of work on the screen for

[3:25:17] Planner Zupanec: your discussion. I'm not sure what would be most helpful today for you other than answering any

[3:25:22] Planner Zupanec: questions that you have making sure that the previous chair of the HAPC Toby Elliott has an

[3:25:28] Planner Zupanec: opportunity to also answer any questions that you have as they're all outgoing now their terms have

[3:25:33] Planner Zupanec: expired um but you still have an opportunity today to use that that voice and that resource

[3:25:40] Planner Zupanec: so i encourage you to do that as well um that i am anxious to see what the next steps are for

[3:25:47] Planner Zupanec: this particular project so i'll turn it back to the chair thank you thanks

[3:25:54] Trustee Rogers: for that um and uh

[3:25:56] Trustee Rogers: okay okay thanks i mean i'm assuming can you just help me with one thing that it's the second motion

[3:26:03] Trustee Rogers: and i was struggling with i thank you for clarifying this color coding but that's also

[3:26:08] Trustee Rogers: i assume relates to the chart that's in the report in the minutes about or in the in the report about

[3:26:15] Trustee Rogers: what was most effective and what would be have most impact and not and also really would related

[3:26:21] Trustee Rogers: to the i saw in the minutes of april 1st there seemed to be some voting that went on um and i

[3:26:28] Trustee Rogers: you know not being there I I was trying to decipher what that meant is is what people

[3:26:34] Trustee Rogers: were voting on can you help me with that yeah so if you go up they they talk about like

[3:26:42] Trustee Rogers: recommendations no no in the minutes and that's what

[3:26:45] Planner Zupanec: dots refer to so you're you're very talented

[3:26:48] Planner Zupanec: tried very hard because we're theoretically not supposed to attach things to minutes which is

[3:26:55] Planner Zupanec: what we thought we could do is just attach this so you could see the color coding so you are very

[3:27:01] Planner Zupanec: lucky to have a minute taker that took the time to go through these dots the dot democracy and

[3:27:06] Planner Zupanec: extrapolate this data into the minutes as part of sort of a voting piece so i see the emphasis on

[3:27:13] Planner Zupanec: the voting uh you know to some extent it it's important just to see where the hapc saw the

[3:27:20] Planner Zupanec: priorities so that would be the red and the green dots the blues are the most feasible options to

[3:27:25] Planner Zupanec: implement in their opinion right so they're trying to provide you with as much information as

[3:27:30] Planner Zupanec: possible to help you fine-tune this next phase of work that needs to be completed yeah so hopefully

[3:27:38] Planner Zupanec: it's helpful and it's achieved that well

[3:27:40] Trustee Rogers: i'll just say from a personal point of view democracies are

[3:27:44] Trustee Rogers: both useful and problematic because they they show divisions of opinion as opposed to bringing

[3:27:50] Trustee Rogers: a unified voice to us.

[3:27:51] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you.

[3:27:52] Trustee Rogers: That clarifies what that meant.

[3:27:55] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[3:27:55] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate that.

[3:27:56] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to turn this over to the trustees to respond to the planner.

[3:28:01] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, Trustee Langer.

[3:28:02] Voice 13: Yeah, just the Jamboree board then.

[3:28:05] Voice 13: That was a voting of the HAPC members based on their view,

[3:28:11] Voice 13: or was it based on tied to the data that came out of the survey?

[3:28:16] Voice 13: So

[3:28:17] Planner Zupanec: this was the data that came out of the survey and the report recommendations went to the HAPC.

[3:28:24] Planner Zupanec: It was their job then to determine if they agreed with the report recommendations.

[3:28:30] Planner Zupanec: And then not only that, how would they prioritize them in providing you with that relevant advice before their term ended?

[3:28:38] Planner Zupanec: so these are the members of the HAPC basing their individual opinions the seven or eight folks that

[3:28:47] Planner Zupanec: were tasked with this exercise to look at the report recommendations not only determine whether

[3:28:53] Planner Zupanec: they agreed with them but whether or not they could identify which pieces were top priorities

[3:28:59] Planner Zupanec: had the greatest planning impact in addressing biodiversity housing and growth management issues

[3:29:05] Planner Zupanec: and which ones were the most feasible.

[3:29:08] Planner Zupanec: The other categories are also important.

[3:29:10] Planner Zupanec: It's the uncertain that certain elements

[3:29:12] Planner Zupanec: of those surveys identified topics

[3:29:14] Planner Zupanec: which require more information to be disseminated

[3:29:18] Planner Zupanec: in the community.

[3:29:19] Planner Zupanec: And that's just as valuable as knowing, you know,

[3:29:22] Planner Zupanec: what, where the appetite lies for different policy changes

[3:29:26] Planner Zupanec: or regulatory changes.

[3:29:28] Planner Zupanec: Okay,

[3:29:32] Trustee Rogers: questions, comments, where do we go?

[3:29:36] Trustee Rogers: thoughts from the trustees? Who wants to go first? Trustee Colburn.

[3:29:46] Voice 20: It's an incredible body of work

[3:29:48] Voice 20: and it's, I think a very conservative estimate would be like a hundred thousand dollars if we

[3:29:54] Voice 20: paid for this, if this works. So this is really setting the goalposts in a different way.

[3:30:00] Voice 20: for the whole trust area so i think this this island has a lot to be proud of and and i'm

[3:30:04] Voice 20: certainly um i've learned so much through this process so thanks to the staff and thank you to

[3:30:10] Voice 20: all the volunteers who put this together the the next steps are are the the difficult ones

[3:30:18] Voice 20: but i think there's a couple steps that aren't outlined in this that i'm contemplating

[3:30:25] Voice 20: but the one that really seems to flow out of this is to implement recommendations for housing

[3:30:32] Voice 20: affordability and managed growth planning commission i think the first order of business

[3:30:36] Voice 20: will be to change their name but i want to be you know i want to make sure that we're the ref we're

[3:30:40] Voice 20: referencing the the way that they've framed what this commission would do which would be to take

[3:30:47] Voice 20: the recommendations from this to further the work they've done in terms of priorities be more aware

[3:30:53] Voice 20: of initiatives that are happening trust-wide

[3:30:57] Voice 20: or that are happening regional planning,

[3:30:59] Voice 20: things like Coastal Douglas,

[3:31:00] Voice 20: discussions we had earlier today

[3:31:01] Voice 20: around who's doing what and what's the timeframe.

[3:31:04] Voice 20: And so we're not duplicating work,

[3:31:06] Voice 20: but we're also being more nimble

[3:31:07] Voice 20: than the trust has been in the past

[3:31:08] Voice 20: and providing more political will

[3:31:11] Voice 20: to make changes that will have the greatest impact

[3:31:13] Voice 20: for protecting cultural heritage,

[3:31:16] Voice 20: for protecting ecosystems,

[3:31:18] Voice 20: for protecting biocultural diversity.

[3:31:20] Voice 20: So that would be the one piece of this that I'd like to move forward with today that comes straight out of this report is to implement that the Housing Affordability and Managed Growth Planning Commission.

[3:31:32] Voice 20: There's two pieces of this that I think get at the imbalance that exists and it goes right back to the formation of the trust and how it worked here on Gabriel.

[3:31:40] Voice 20: We have an imbalance of subdivided lots for for profit market housing.

[3:31:48] Voice 20: That's, that's the big picture thing and if you look at that build out map the works that's being done there, the unrecognized potential only will add to that imbalance. So, there's two aspects of this that I think we should address one would be a moratorium

[3:32:06] Voice 20: moratorium on subdivisions that create more market housing.

[3:32:10] Voice 20: And another one would be to, as we talked about earlier today as well,

[3:32:14] Voice 20: a following Galeano's example and doing a temporary moratorium on short

[3:32:21] Voice 20: term vacation rentals.

[3:32:25] Voice 20: I know those sound like they go outside

[3:32:28] Voice 20: the scope of this, but it comes through in all of the elements of this work, both in

[3:32:32] Voice 20: the underlying data of the scope of the housing crisis being faced here and how it's um on a on

[3:32:43] Voice 20: a different scale than it is on on other islands and and other regional areas so i'm i'm going to

[3:32:49] Voice 20: put forward three motions today one of them will be to implement the housing affordability and

[3:32:53] Voice 20: management planning commission um to to take this report and to continue with it the other two would

[3:32:59] Voice 20: be to um do a moratorium on subdivisions that create additional market housing units and to

[3:33:06] Voice 20: revisit our stvr process uh during a health crisis um given the um the uh housing crisis and the

[3:33:15] Voice 20: combination thereof and its impact on vulnerable populations um i think those are are elements that

[3:33:22] Voice 20: that we should be very strong in our political direction

[3:33:27] Voice 20: at this stage in the evolution of this island

[3:33:32] Voice 20: and its housing.

[3:33:33] Voice 20: The focus is on not just increasing the options

[3:33:38] Voice 20: that are affordable for low to moderate income people,

[3:33:42] Voice 20: it's also dealing with the imbalance in the housing stock

[3:33:46] Voice 20: and the zoning that is a direct result

[3:33:49] Voice 20: result of a subdivision process in the 50s and 60s that was not the most future proof approach

[3:34:00] Voice 20: so those are those are my thoughts the the big outstanding ones is to is to make sure that we

[3:34:06] Voice 20: continue this work by placing and the other piece is resourcing it I think I think we should

[3:34:15] Voice 20: look at the tax requisition for this uh for this work it's it's we got away with this on the backs

[3:34:22] Voice 20: of volunteer labor and we can't do that anymore we've exhausted that and we keep talking about

[3:34:28] Voice 20: the capacity of the trust and what we're able to do we have to be more nimble in some ways

[3:34:32] Voice 20: because what we're reacting to are global health conditions global housing conditions

[3:34:37] Voice 20: conditions, global environmental impacts.

[3:34:43] Voice 20: So I think we should look at a tax requisition, and I believe one of the outcomes of the social

[3:34:47] Voice 20: needs and poverty reduction work that's being done in ZRDN is they're heading in the same

[3:34:51] Voice 20: direction.

[3:34:52] Voice 20: I think there's a real possibility for collaboration, not just here but on other islands.

[3:34:56] Voice 20: The empty homes tax, I believe we could advocate for that to be put towards this type of housing

[3:35:03] Voice 20: work on islands, especially Salt Spring and Gabriola, that face different conditions and

[3:35:08] Voice 20: have a different population size and different densities. So we have to properly, if we're going

[3:35:16] Voice 20: to do this, we have to properly resource it. I think a tax requisition in collaboration with

[3:35:20] Voice 20: the RDN, if they're amenable to that, and then including Sinemuk, I think this group has done

[3:35:26] Voice 20: an incredible job of outlining, holding a seat for Sinemuk. That's what we've done throughout

[3:35:32] Voice 20: the process and additional community groups but also laid that into their into the future of the

[3:35:37] Voice 20: work they want to do and that's that's why i fully support the uh the commission and the out and the

[3:35:43] Voice 20: and the way they've outlined that work is it fits in our climate change declaration it fits in a

[3:35:48] Voice 20: reconciliation declaration and it adapts to the to the clear crisis that that um how a lack of

[3:35:55] Voice 20: housing options is having on the population and and frankly it's not a healthy community because

[3:36:00] Voice 20: of it it's not a healthy community because of it so i think we have to act and provide the political

[3:36:06] Voice 20: will to to follow up on the work that's been done by these these brave and courageous and

[3:36:12] Voice 20: um somewhat foolhardy volunteers given the time that they put into this it's incredible

[3:36:22] Voice 13: yeah yeah i'm slightly different tact i i have to acknowledge the amount of work

[3:36:29] Voice 13: that went into this it is a voluminous document a lot of data was provided a

[3:36:36] Voice 13: lot of time was spent on that definitely I certainly acknowledge that I do have

[3:36:41] Voice 13: those some some questions and some comments one is I've struggled sometimes

[3:36:48] Voice 13: with reading the report and understanding some of the data and how it

[3:36:52] Voice 13: was how it was displayed how it was interpreted I had some questions around

[3:36:57] Voice 13: around that but one of the key things that I saw in the report and this is one I'm not sure how

[3:37:03] Voice 13: I think there's a way to reconcile it but it talked about 70 basically 46 percent of the people

[3:37:12] Voice 13: wanted build out to the current capacity and 25 percent wanted a reduction and 25 percent

[3:37:19] Voice 13: water an increase in density so that means that so you've got basically 75 percent about saying

[3:37:26] Voice 13: no increase in density so to counterbalance to reconcile that then you really end up having to

[3:37:33] Voice 13: look at there's a plus here there has to be a minus there which really comes down to down zoning

[3:37:39] Voice 13: i think which is one of the tools in the coastal douglas for toolkit to me that's because there

[3:37:45] Voice 13: is that inner tension there within the report and it does it does say in the report that they

[3:37:52] Voice 13: they support all of the coastal douglas fir toolkit uh tools and then that is definitely

[3:37:58] Voice 13: one of them so i'm not sure if that was the that's what they're thinking or not but that would be one

[3:38:06] Voice 13: of the questions i had um there was some other uh questions i had around just some of the

[3:38:17] Voice 13: the information that was was provided sometimes and some of the sections or some of the questions

[3:38:23] Voice 13: and and the questions themselves had a certain layout and others had partially only data sort

[3:38:30] Voice 13: of fluctuated a bit I got here a note here in the survey question number two general findings

[3:38:40] Voice 13: they only you know you got you were given provision of very important or important but

[3:38:44] Voice 13: but the other three options were not displayed.

[3:38:47] Voice 13: So to me, it's sort of like it was a part picture,

[3:38:50] Voice 13: but not complete.

[3:38:51] Voice 13: And so I struggled with that.

[3:38:54] Voice 13: I also had questions around where it said

[3:38:59] Voice 13: any low-income family.

[3:39:01] Voice 13: And to me, that was the question posed.

[3:39:04] Voice 13: And I think that I'm not sure what that actually meant,

[3:39:08] Voice 13: because right now we have affordable housing,

[3:39:11] Voice 13: which is for seniors, special needs,

[3:39:14] Voice 13: and low-income families and all of them are subject to the test the affordable housing

[3:39:22] Voice 13: income threshold so all of the family formations are possible under the current bylaws it's just

[3:39:30] Voice 13: a matter of whether there's densities for the low income or not you know because it came out

[3:39:34] Voice 13: of the density bank although uh you know a bylaw that's going through would potentially alter that

[3:39:39] Voice 13: um so so that i struggled with that um one of the tables uh gave uh well one of the issues i had to

[3:39:51] Voice 13: is percentages there was a lot of percentages given but often no figures uh provided with it

[3:39:59] Voice 13: and i found that different because it's hard a percentage doesn't mean anything unless you know

[3:40:03] Voice 13: what the percentage of what you're like what does it actually represent so um i i had a struggle

[3:40:09] Voice 13: with that and one table two and table five it had a column all and it had some other categories and

[3:40:18] Voice 13: I wasn't clear on that what so there was just for me it was hard to really understand some of the

[3:40:23] Trustee Rogers: data. Just to

[3:40:24] Trustee Rogers: be clear are you talking about the HAPC minutes or are you talking about the report

[3:40:28] Trustee Rogers: itself? Can't hear you you're muted trustee Lawrence.

[3:40:34] Voice 13: I haven't really hit mute uh no I'm

[3:40:36] Voice 13: talking about the report sorry I'm at this point in time for myself I'm not

[3:40:43] Voice 13: prepared to make a motion on this I would I would actually like to see a

[3:40:46] Voice 13: staff report as well on because all of the options are so many options there

[3:40:52] Voice 13: you know so many possibilities and as planner Zipanek said didn't have time

[3:41:00] Voice 13: to do a report on it I would like to see a report I would

[3:41:04] Trustee Rogers: also what would you

[3:41:05] Trustee Rogers: like to see in that report?

[3:41:07] Voice 13: An assessment of the whole report, the components, is there any

[3:41:14] Voice 13: capacity to break it into chunks? Because this is such a huge array of policies. And is there some

[3:41:25] Voice 13: way of trying to coordinate all of the policies into smaller chunks? I think that's one. The other

[3:41:33] Voice 13: thing is we're moving forward with this you've got the um water budget study happening you know just

[3:41:41] Voice 13: the coastal douglas fir happening um how do we coordinate all of that do we just go on our own

[3:41:48] Voice 13: and this project and just do something on coastal douglas fir uh so it's i it is partly a coordination

[3:41:57] Voice 13: issue with this. Sorry, it took a long time to read this and I still, yeah, it would be good to

[3:42:14] Voice 13: have the build-out map updated as well because there are some missing pieces there, subdividable

[3:42:20] Voice 13: lots with, you know, with cottage density, split-stone lots, etc. So I think, I'm assuming

[3:42:27] Voice 13: that's still in the progress. It will be coming forward soon. Anyway, I did make notes throughout

[3:42:37] Voice 13: it. One of the things I did actually really agree with, you know, I think is, I had that thought

[3:42:44] Voice 13: originally, is secondary suite, call it secondary accommodation. I think it does confuse people

[3:42:51] Voice 13: when you say about suite because everybody thinks it's within a house or some of the other.

[3:43:01] Voice 13: I quite honestly I didn't have time to actually write all of this up in a more formal it's all

[3:43:06] Voice 13: scribbled notes on the document um okay so let's let's let's see

[3:43:13] Trustee Rogers: if we can oh sorry I'm not trying

[3:43:14] Trustee Rogers: to cut you off but I just thought we could bring a little bit of focus hopefully to some of this

[3:43:19] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate it and it's tough when there's when there's big stuff that we're working on right I

[3:43:25] Trustee Rogers: This is a big report. It is the nature of volunteer work that it's time intensive and can burn people out.

[3:43:37] Trustee Rogers: And I appreciate that. And I am very appreciative and very appreciative of the fact that a number of people decided that they wanted to do work that the trust was not in the position to do and devote all that amount of time to this

[3:43:54] Trustee Rogers: because they wanted to do it the way they wanted to do it and it's an incredibly professional

[3:44:02] Trustee Rogers: piece of work so thank you to all of the people who did all that so I have a couple of questions

[3:44:07] Trustee Rogers: because I think one of the things and Sonia can speak for herself but one of the things

[3:44:12] Trustee Rogers: as you say Sonia's not the planner's not been able to analyze the actual report or the minutes

[3:44:19] Trustee Rogers: in order to do a report as I'm guessing she'd like some direction about what we'd like as

[3:44:26] Trustee Rogers: next step from an LTC point of view but let me look and I think a couple of the things from

[3:44:33] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Colburn sort of give some give some hints of some of that but I want to I have some

[3:44:38] Trustee Rogers: some questions um what does a moratorium on subdivision look like because as i i'm not a

[3:44:51] Trustee Rogers: planner but my understanding would be a piece of property is either subdividable under our bylaws

[3:44:56] Trustee Rogers: or lub or it's not it's not a discretionary thing unless they want to rezone um and so

[3:45:05] Trustee Rogers: So if we wanted to stop somebody from, stop properties from being subdivided, we'd have to, what I think as Trustee Long-Garris indicated, have to start a process to down zone them.

[3:45:18] Trustee Rogers: If someone's entitled to subdivide, we don't have discretion to stop them.

[3:45:22] Trustee Rogers: Am I right, planners of the bench?

[3:45:24] Planner Zupanec: Sure, that's one approach.

[3:45:26] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, the other the other is to, for example, your Gabriel land use bylaw doesn't specify the potable water requirements for a subdivision to be approved.

[3:45:39] Planner Zupanec: So the approving officer uses their own provincial standard.

[3:45:42] Planner Zupanec: So Gabriel, I could specify a volume of water for each subdivision in excess of what the province requires.

[3:45:48] Planner Zupanec: requires. Which

[3:45:50] Trustee Rogers: is one of the recommendations out of the report actually.

[3:45:53] Planner Zupanec: Yes that's right yeah so

[3:45:55] Planner Zupanec: that that's been vetted as an option as well by your HAPC to potentially require such a high

[3:46:02] Planner Zupanec: standard that it is impossible to meet that standard and subdivide the land.

[3:46:08] Trustee Rogers: So let's just

[3:46:10] Trustee Rogers: talk about Trustee Colburn's thought that there'd be a moratorium on subdivision. How would you go

[3:46:17] Trustee Rogers: about that's one option is but you that would require us to amend our land use bylaw right

[3:46:24] Trustee Rogers: you

[3:46:25] Planner Zupanec: would have to do that in in either of the options i am not yet familiar with another

[3:46:30] Planner Zupanec: ability to freeze the referral processes other than through our land use bylaw so you could

[3:46:39] Planner Zupanec: amend it in any number of ways whether it's zone specific whether it's water provision

[3:46:45] Planner Zupanec: otherwise I would need to do a little bit more research to determine what other powers might

[3:46:51] Planner Zupanec: exist for influencing that referral process while your projects underway it could be that it's a

[3:46:56] Planner Zupanec: time period until this projects completed that there's a freeze and how that freeze is enacted

[3:47:04] Planner Zupanec: it is typically the land use bylaw process amendment and we could provide you with some

[3:47:09] Planner Zupanec: more information on other options if we can explore those so that's you know bringing it

[3:47:16] Planner Zupanec: back to what you'd like next of course we could provide a fulsome report on an analysis of all

[3:47:22] Planner Zupanec: these particular options we need to get a sense from the local trust committee as to what's your

[3:47:28] Planner Zupanec: appetite in this project moving forward to design something that you know will work that can be

[3:47:34] Planner Zupanec: resourced because ultimately you have a better sense of what's going to be resourced than i do

[3:47:40] Planner Zupanec: because I've tried this before and was surprised. So that's the scope of the report should reflect

[3:47:47] Planner Zupanec: the things that you theoretically feel can be implemented in not just this fiscal,

[3:47:53] Planner Zupanec: but in the next fiscal. And I'm happy to provide some categories of information in terms of things,

[3:47:59] Planner Zupanec: small things that can happen in this fiscal while the bigger project gets pitched to trust

[3:48:04] Planner Zupanec: council for budget approval you need a business case submitted by September 2021 that can all be

[3:48:10] Planner Zupanec: done but in the meantime there might be things that can be done in the short term to address

[3:48:16] Planner Zupanec: some of these impending issues that that are time sensitive such as our short-term vacation rentals

[3:48:23] Planner Zupanec: really the pattern of commercial development that you want to see could you could you address that

[3:48:28] Planner Zupanec: or are you interested in looking at the subdivision build-out or are you more concerned

[3:48:34] Planner Zupanec: about making sure every new house that does get built

[3:48:36] Planner Zupanec: has rainwater collection attached to it.

[3:48:39] Planner Zupanec: So that's another little pieces like that

[3:48:41] Planner Zupanec: have all been sprinkled through the report recommendations,

[3:48:44] Planner Zupanec: but we could provide you with a sense of

[3:48:47] Planner Zupanec: how those might play into a short project, mini project

[3:48:52] Planner Zupanec: while you build the larger case

[3:48:54] Planner Zupanec: to leverage the funds that apparently exist.

[3:48:57] Planner Zupanec: We just haven't been able to successfully access them

[3:49:00] Planner Zupanec: for this project.

[3:49:01] Planner Zupanec: Okay.

[3:49:02] Trustee Rogers: So my second question. Go ahead. No, go ahead, Trustee Fuller.

[3:49:09] Voice 20: Yeah. I think that's kind of what I'm after here. But I also want to continue to ground this work

[3:49:15] Voice 20: in the community. What's been really good about this is that we've had a community process that

[3:49:21] Voice 20: we've been able to do it. That's why I believe if something we can do today is to cement that

[3:49:28] Voice 20: planning commission as part of this work and definitely get a report back on the short,

[3:49:32] Voice 20: medium, and long-term. I'm making the case right now that this is going to require a tax requisition

[3:49:38] Voice 20: and because it aligns with what's happening at the RDN, this is a perfect opportunity to

[3:49:42] Voice 20: collaborate and to get the most bang for taxpayers' dollars. But this can, and I hear

[3:49:50] Voice 20: what Planner Zubin is just saying because I felt the same way last time. Well, we're building a

[3:49:53] Voice 20: project here that can be replicated and used across the trust and we should resource it that

[3:49:57] Voice 20: way that didn't happen and so I believe there's a residual amount of work that needs to be done

[3:50:04] Voice 20: here from environmental protection from cultural heritage protection and from increasing the

[3:50:09] Voice 20: housing options that have the least impact on the environment but the biggest impact on the

[3:50:14] Voice 20: emergency that many people are feeling and living through here today so that's why yeah so the

[3:50:21] Voice 20: The funding of it has to be central to what we're doing,

[3:50:23] Voice 20: but I wanna make sure that we have a community-based process

[3:50:27] Voice 20: and continue the work that's been done

[3:50:28] Voice 20: in a community-based way.

[3:50:29] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so tell me what it is you're referring to,

[3:50:34] Trustee Rogers: because this was my question for you,

[3:50:37] Trustee Rogers: is how does it differ from the HAPC?

[3:50:43] Voice 20: I don't think that it has to.

[3:50:44] Voice 20: I think, I mean, they've kind of given themselves

[3:50:46] Voice 20: a different name that kind of encapsulates what it is.

[3:50:48] Voice 20: Again, I wouldn't call it that myself.

[3:50:50] Voice 20: I think there's more of an environmental focus,

[3:50:51] Voice 20: us but um it it it has this i believe it has the same elements within it but it's going to be

[3:50:57] Voice 20: working from this body of work right it's going to take the recommendations it's that has to be

[3:51:01] Voice 20: implied in the way that we set it up and so we're continuing with the data that we've collected and

[3:51:06] Voice 20: and we've got a expert in going through this stuff um in trustee longeras and his notes and

[3:51:12] Voice 20: and and really focusing this um and then creating a seat at the table for sunamuk and continuing our

[3:51:19] Voice 20: relationship building with them and protocol agreements discussions this is a real opportunity

[3:51:23] Voice 20: to do planning in a different way okay

[3:51:26] Trustee Rogers: so um yeah yeah and i appreciate that and i appreciate that

[3:51:30] Trustee Rogers: that's part of what the report says and that the hapc has endorsed and um i mean i've certainly

[3:51:39] Trustee Rogers: read that and i had anticipated that doing planning in a different way would be a theme

[3:51:45] Trustee Rogers: team today, and I'm on to that, and I'm keen about that. I guess one of the things I read

[3:51:54] Trustee Rogers: from the report was that the commission they're proposing seems different than an advisory

[3:52:01] Trustee Rogers: planning commission, and seem to have more of a, I don't know, a monitoring directive approach to it,

[3:52:14] Trustee Rogers: as opposed to an advisory approach and i want to make sure we are very clear what what you're

[3:52:21] Trustee Rogers: talking about i'm all over reappointing you know uh appointing a continuation of the hapc

[3:52:28] Trustee Rogers: um we're going to discuss that a little bit later but um are you talking about something different

[3:52:35] Trustee Rogers: uh when you say you'd like to embed a commission in and if it is

[3:52:43] Trustee Rogers: i just want to get on the table

[3:52:44] Trustee Rogers: so we can talk about it and and i should say one other thing um um

[3:52:52] Voice 14: i have

[3:52:54] Trustee Rogers: said this sort of

[3:52:56] Trustee Rogers: publicly and that you know um it didn't happen last year in terms of finding the funding to make

[3:53:04] Trustee Rogers: this group work the way uh the group wanted to work um and we had a i thought we'd sort of come

[3:53:15] Trustee Rogers: to an agreement because much of their budget that was proposed last year was around water and that's

[3:53:20] Trustee Rogers: been replaced by another water study but it still didn't but it was the community engagement piece

[3:53:25] Trustee Rogers: that they wanted to have some funding for um if we come up with a direction uh there's a couple

[3:53:33] Trustee Rogers: of opportunity options for us to go and try and find funding before next march of 2022 um i think

[3:53:45] Trustee Rogers: and i'm quite prepared to sort of go and see go and um fight for those but i but i need to know

[3:53:54] Trustee Rogers: with some specificity what those what those are and what the ask is and what what the structure

[3:53:59] Trustee Rogers: of that's going to look like so the more we can sort of build something and have a proposal of

[3:54:05] Trustee Rogers: of here's the work we actually want to do rather than just here's a commission and they have a

[3:54:13] Trustee Rogers: bunch of work they want to do and etc etc the easier it is for me to go to both the senior

[3:54:19] Trustee Rogers: management and to maybe even to trust counsel and ask them to amend the budget or whatever

[3:54:24] Trustee Rogers: to find some extra funds to get this important work started the easier it'll be for us to get

[3:54:32] Trustee Rogers: there and uh you know i'm i'm prepared with your assistance to you know obviously everybody's

[3:54:38] Trustee Rogers: assistance here to go and champion that but I think having some real focus about it so that's

[3:54:44] Trustee Rogers: one thing and the other piece is I agree with you trustee Colbert that there are probably pieces of

[3:54:52] Trustee Rogers: this report that are what you can often refer to as low-hanging fruit what can we pick to ask staff

[3:55:00] Trustee Rogers: to give us a way forward on that we could make part of this project we can do more short-term

[3:55:06] Trustee Rogers: as opposed to a longer term and I guess we should try and come to an agreement as to what those

[3:55:11] Trustee Rogers: things are and then give that direction to Sonia to the planners and on the other end

[3:55:18] Trustee Rogers: sort of give some structure to a to a if we got gave some ideas of what a project charter

[3:55:25] Trustee Rogers: content might look like that we could go but we that needs resourcing then we can go and

[3:55:30] Trustee Rogers: strategize a way to go and find that money um uh in within the trust as long as it's reasonable

[3:55:38] Trustee Rogers: um you know it's not going to be 120 000 every year for the next three years uh but it's but

[3:55:46] Trustee Rogers: it might be 20 000 you know 15 000 this year and 20 and i'm making these numbers up so please

[3:55:54] Trustee Rogers: even on the recording don't hold me nobody hold me to any of these numbers i'm making them up

[3:55:58] Trustee Rogers: but it might be you know fifteen thousand dollars this year and what are we going to use that for

[3:56:03] Trustee Rogers: and you know and then some money next year as well to sort of finish off or do whatever we do

[3:56:09] Trustee Rogers: who knows what the numbers are and there might be more it might be less i i'd have to go have

[3:56:13] Trustee Rogers: some conversation anyway i wanted to say those two things so i'll turn it back to you guys to

[3:56:18] Trustee Rogers: see if you have any ideas or response to all of that

[3:56:20] Voice 13: yeah yeah go ahead okay sorry i was going

[3:56:24] Voice 13: to say that uh yeah the incremental approach which is actually something that heather originally

[3:56:29] Voice 13: proposed last year you know they to do it you know to prioritize some of the components of that so

[3:56:36] Voice 13: and i think that's one way to move forward um i'm as you say i'm not clear on the on the commission

[3:56:44] Voice 13: idea and who are who would be the players is it the rdn uh involvement what's their role in this

[3:56:52] Voice 13: because they are the service providers you know for for housing whereas where the land use like i

[3:56:57] Voice 13: and the other question is how much planner time would be taken up on such a commission um so i've

[3:57:05] Voice 13: got some concerns around that um so i'm not i'm not really clear i'd like to go and understand

[3:57:11] Voice 13: more what you mean what they meant by the commission you know and they said a permanent

[3:57:15] Voice 13: commission of course that i don't think that's possible or maybe it is but and

[3:57:21] Trustee Rogers: the other question

[3:57:21] Trustee Rogers: i had about that is are we talking about a commission just for gabriola or one for that's

[3:57:26] Trustee Rogers: a trust wide or are we talking about something that's a regional district of the naimo type

[3:57:31] Trustee Rogers: commission i i also had those same questions yeah but

[3:57:35] Trustee Rogers: one option would be if we if we reconstitute

[3:57:38] Trustee Rogers: the habc is to go to ask them to clarify that for us that's exactly what it is they want

[3:57:43] Trustee Rogers: on uh what they're what they're envisioning anyway that's just enough go ahead i

[3:57:49] Voice 13: was going to say the

[3:57:50] Voice 13: other other option of course is that this is such a voluminous project that the uh the central

[3:57:56] Voice 13: regional planning team it may be they're the ones that take up the major projects we're supposed to

[3:58:02] Voice 13: be locally under the new regime which is coming is that we have moderate and small projects one or

[3:58:08] Voice 13: too so it may be that may be a candidate for that it

[3:58:13] Trustee Rogers: might they have a pretty long list right now

[3:58:18] Trustee Rogers: i i'm not saying you're wrong and you sit on the rpc uh i don't uh but it uh i understood that and

[3:58:26] Trustee Rogers: i don't know how long the regional planning there i see that that prompted the rpm to turn our

[3:58:32] Trustee Rogers: camera on so because you she that's her Bailey works over to you uh right yeah

[3:58:40] Voice 5: I mean our local

[3:58:42] Voice 5: team is able to resource minor projects and this is taken as a whole this report doesn't constitute

[3:58:50] Voice 5: a minor project it's it's a extraordinary years-long project um if we were to implement

[3:58:57] Voice 5: all aspects of it and even even managing an HAPC takes a lot of staff resources

[3:59:05] Voice 5: so so yeah I mean there's a lot of a lot of questions I have about how how we

[3:59:12] Voice 5: would actually go about implementing this or any aspect of it but as trustee

[3:59:18] Voice 5: Langara said yes we can take small parts of it and move small parts of it forward

[3:59:23] Voice 5: So

[3:59:25] Trustee Rogers: you nominally oversee the regional planning team, and I

[3:59:31] Voice 21: say nominally because I know

[3:59:32] Trustee Rogers: there's lots of influences that occur.

[3:59:38] Trustee Rogers: I've seen the list of projects that they've got going on.

[3:59:41] Voice 21: One

[3:59:42] Trustee Rogers: of them is the Tiny Homes project on the distributed land project on Main Island.

[3:59:50] Trustee Rogers: And another one is the Gambier OCP. I think there's a couple on North Tender. Is it?

[4:00:00] Trustee Rogers: how over how subscribed is it to all and how would that ever work given that you know Sonia knows

[4:00:08] Trustee Rogers: everything and every everything about this project and and she's not

[4:00:12] Trustee Rogers: part of that team

[4:00:13] Trustee Rogers: and so that's that's you know problematic yeah

[4:00:20] Voice 5: I mean the team is made up of three island planners

[4:00:22] Voice 5: all of which had projects that they brought with them to the team and are continuing to work on

[4:00:28] Voice 5: And I think it's safe to say that that team is pretty much committed to projects through the end of the term that they took with them.

[4:00:38] Voice 5: You know, Narissa is working on the freshwater sustainability strategy for the trust.

[4:00:45] Voice 5: She won't have any capacity between now and the end of term.

[4:00:50] Voice 5: Jason is working on the CDF project for Salt Spring, that sort of thing.

[4:00:54] Voice 5: so Marnie may have some some capacity but it has it's yet to be determined how their time will get

[4:01:02] Voice 5: allocated and who gets projects and how we decide how their projects get assigned see

[4:01:09] Trustee Rogers: see I I I'll

[4:01:11] Trustee Rogers: tell you my my brain what my brain is telling me whether it works or not and is that I don't think

[4:01:18] Trustee Rogers: this project at where it's at right now should be taken out of your local team

[4:01:23] Trustee Rogers: but we need to find resourcing to to make it work whether that be by finding

[4:01:30] Trustee Rogers: some consultant services or or find some contract planning to take some stuff off

[4:01:38] Trustee Rogers: planners which is plate so that she has time to be able to devote to what's

[4:01:44] Trustee Rogers: what's what's she's she's a key player in all of this I'm sorry to talk about you like you're not

[4:01:49] Trustee Rogers: sitting there Sonia but um um it's I mean that's my what's my brain is telling me and I think

[4:01:56] Trustee Rogers: that's possible if we could come up with a way forward and um but I you know that's just me

[4:02:03] Trustee Rogers: talking out loud um so I mean I'll just tell you as I read the report I I had a couple of glitches

[4:02:14] Trustee Rogers: on the on the through the report i'll just put these on the table so everybody knows one was the

[4:02:19] Trustee Rogers: commission because i didn't quite understand it it sounded like an administrative functional work

[4:02:24] Trustee Rogers: that didn't really fit easily within the the the trust um structure um and i don't know how we

[4:02:33] Trustee Rogers: would resource that on an ongoing basis i don't see i just can't and maybe i just because i'm

[4:02:40] Trustee Rogers: thinking within the box rather than outside the box and so i i'm happy to be to be shown the way

[4:02:47] Trustee Rogers: the other one is um the the strong suggestion that we set targets for affordable housing

[4:02:54] Trustee Rogers: i i have some difficulty getting my brain around that that's our job um i'm not sure that's our

[4:03:00] Trustee Rogers: role to do in this case but rather to facilitate them um and to create the conditions that allow

[4:03:07] Trustee Rogers: allow them to occur. That seems to me to be our, our role but I, again, stand to be corrected on

[4:03:14] Trustee Rogers: so those are

[4:03:15] Trustee Rogers: the two things that sort of stood out to me from the report that I had some

[4:03:19] Trustee Rogers: considerations about but beyond that I, again, so I as usual I'm doing too much talking and not

[4:03:26] Trustee Rogers: enough listening so let me turn it back to either the planner or the or the trustees as to as to

[4:03:35] Trustee Rogers: where to go i think we've got a couple of specific suggestions um and i don't know which one you want

[4:03:45] Trustee Rogers: to talk about first the the we could put the motions on the table about stvrs or subdivisions

[4:03:50] Trustee Rogers: and and figure those out um and then go from there if you'd like to trustee colburn do you

[4:03:58] Trustee Rogers: want to put one of those motions on the table yeah

[4:04:02] Voice 20: i'm frustrated with the science trust i

[4:04:06] Voice 20: got to tell you it's just not a nimble creature is it

[4:04:08] Trustee Rogers: no no

[4:04:10] Voice 20: and there's also um it's it's because

[4:04:16] Voice 20: the problem is these islands are different and they're really important that they all have their

[4:04:20] Voice 20: official community plans but it's regional there's not that much difference in what these islands are

[4:04:25] Voice 20: facing and we should be doing a better job of coordinating this work it's so frustrating you

[4:04:31] Trustee Rogers: know i'll just give you a slight example about how that seems logical and axiomatic and i would

[4:04:37] Trustee Rogers: would agree with you. And just yesterday, I was at the EC, Galeano went through a two-year

[4:04:47] Trustee Rogers: project and eliminated TUPs for STBRs. We passed a bylaw off South Pender yesterday

[4:04:54] Trustee Rogers: that put TUPs in place for STBRs. They went in completely opposite directions. And I mean,

[4:05:05] Trustee Rogers: it's just but that's the process that came out of the community consultation i mean they're not

[4:05:10] Trustee Rogers: completely opposite because they were they were allowed on south pender before completely and so

[4:05:15] Trustee Rogers: they put a tup process and we got rid of they got rid of it on galliano um for a variety of reasons

[4:05:21] Trustee Rogers: and um it's i mean it's just i agree with you in a way but one of the recognitions is is that

[4:05:29] Trustee Rogers: that island communities seem all the same but they aren't all the same and they have different

[4:05:35] Trustee Rogers: they've developed differently and it's frustrating and i appreciate your frustration i've heard it

[4:05:40] Trustee Rogers: from from uh the chair of tpc from deb morrison from uh you know she says it a lot and there's

[4:05:47] Trustee Rogers: other and i had a lot of people and i think that's been a tension in the trust for well who's been

[4:05:52] Trustee Rogers: around the longest so you've been around it's been around for as long as you've been around

[4:05:56] Trustee Rogers: this this tension of between regional versus versus versus island specific

[4:06:04] Trustee Rogers: planning so that's been my but go ahead trustee oh man I'm sorry well no no it's

[4:06:11] Voice 20: fine I so it sounds like we need this Sonia specifically to to go through this

[4:06:21] Voice 20: report to identify so I move that Gabriel local trust committee requests

[4:06:26] Voice 20: staff conduct a short medium and long-term analysis of the name of this report so

[4:06:44] Trustee Rogers: i think

[4:06:45] Trustee Rogers: what you mean by that is an analysis yeah

[4:06:47] Trustee Rogers: i get i think what you mean is an analysis identifying

[4:06:52] Trustee Rogers: the actions that are possible in the short term medium term and long term is that what you mean

[4:06:57] Trustee Rogers: that's what i mean yeah yeah that's the

[4:07:00] Voice 20: way i think there's there's there's some low-hanging

[4:07:02] Voice 20: fruit here as you've mentioned and there's game changers as they mentioned another in other work

[4:07:06] Voice 20: that's being done there's also funding opportunities that are out there right now and speaking with the

[4:07:09] Voice 20: minister of municipal affairs and this is something that the director of planning is aware of and is

[4:07:13] Voice 20: working with salt spring on in terms of a housing authority or some sort of um power there's a grant

[4:07:20] Voice 20: a large grant out there that the trust could apply for the development permit area development

[4:07:25] Voice 20: development permit grants so I that's my first motion I hope you got that okay Nadine

[4:07:32] Trustee Rogers: Nadine just let's get the the motion stated and then we can amend it before it gets seconded

[4:07:41] Voice 10: uh that you request staff to conduct an analysis identifying the actions that are possible in

[4:07:48] Voice 10: short-term medium-term and long-term in the name of this report but

[4:07:54] Voice 10: the

[4:07:55] Voice 20: report is okay

[4:07:58] Trustee Rogers: so before I ask for a second or so we don't have to amend it there were some

[4:08:01] Trustee Rogers: I saw a hand up from planner Zepanich and I saw trustee Langeris's hand up let's go to you

[4:08:06] Trustee Rogers: I just

[4:08:07] Planner Zupanec: wanted to clarify that you're you're wanting all the recommended

[4:08:14] Planner Zupanec: recommendations from the Gabriel Housing Matters report not the HAPC priorities

[4:08:22] Planner Zupanec: priorities, top priorities, or most urgent. So there's two different things,

[4:08:32] Planner Zupanec: right? So your HAPC

[4:08:33] Planner Zupanec: has already vetted that report for you and provided you with some input on the things that

[4:08:40] Planner Zupanec: they felt were the strongest, most impactful. So we could do an analysis of those, or if you want

[4:08:47] Planner Zupanec: us to go back to the core report and look at all the recommendations and just provide you with that

[4:08:53] Planner Zupanec: analysis and maybe dovetail the hapc i think never

[4:08:57] Voice 20: mind i just

[4:08:57] Planner Zupanec: talked myself into what i think yeah

[4:08:59] Voice 20: that's i could like the hapc has pointed us in the direction of several things one of the most impact

[4:09:03] Voice 20: but i would think that would come into the way that you were doing that analysis in any case

[4:09:07] Voice 20: right because you're basing like yeah so

[4:09:10] Trustee Rogers: are you so have you got it you got clarity sonya okay

[4:09:15] Trustee Rogers: okay yeah trust me so

[4:09:17] Voice 13: if i caught that right then it's the report that they'll be looked at

[4:09:23] Voice 13: is that right did i catch that i sometimes it's hard with hearing aids sometimes yeah okay

[4:09:30] Trustee Rogers: so

[4:09:31] Trustee Rogers: we have a motion and i think it's had some clarity around it so it's asking for a staff report um

[4:09:38] Trustee Rogers: uh sort of going through and saying here's what's possible and and what's in the short

[4:09:44] Trustee Rogers: medium and long term is there a seconder for that motion yeah trustee longares so okay so

[4:09:50] Trustee Rogers: there's one action step um is there any further discussion related to that motion i just wanted

[4:09:56] Voice 20: to make sure that the that funding possibilities were included in that i don't know if i needed

[4:10:00] Voice 20: to state that within the body of the motion but if you know investigating tax i'd like to come

[4:10:04] Trustee Rogers: back and talk about some of that in a separate motion if you will yeah um

[4:10:08] Trustee Rogers: because i'd like to

[4:10:09] Trustee Rogers: i'd like to actually be tasked by this ltc to go explore those so okay um with the rpm or the

[4:10:18] Trustee Rogers: planner or whomever and go discuss those so i i i'd like because i think one of the things we're

[4:10:24] Trustee Rogers: going to eventually ask the planner to do is bring us back a project charter that's the way we work

[4:10:30] Trustee Rogers: that's the way we roll um and uh and one of the things that's always in a project charter is

[4:10:38] Trustee Rogers: budget right and one of the things we're going to end up talking about is what's available and

[4:10:44] Trustee Rogers: what's what do we need so um but i'd like to be i'd like to get a motion about tasking me to go

[4:10:54] Trustee Rogers: and look for what's available with the rpm uh that'll

[4:10:58] Voice 20: be a separate motion so

[4:10:59] Trustee Rogers: i would like it

[4:11:00] Trustee Rogers: as a

[4:11:00] Trustee Rogers: separate motion if that's okay with you yes okay so anything else related to that issue before

[4:11:07] Trustee Rogers: before we call the vote on the,

[4:11:09] Trustee Rogers: just asking finders up in it for the,

[4:11:13] Trustee Rogers: okay, all in favor?

[4:11:15] Trustee Rogers: So that passes unanimously, thank you.

[4:11:20] Trustee Rogers: Now, did you want to ask for anything else specific

[4:11:24] Trustee Rogers: at this time, Trustee Colburn?

[4:11:26] Voice 20: Well, yeah, in that analysis,

[4:11:29] Voice 20: we'll come back the opportunities for the commission, right?

[4:11:33] Voice 20: In terms of what are allowed

[4:11:35] Voice 20: within the commission rules currently,

[4:11:36] Voice 20: or how it could work in collaboration with another entity such as 30rdn um that's a probably question

[4:11:43] Trustee Rogers: for the planner as to whether she envisions that in her yeah because you're you both raised

[4:11:48] Voice 20: some curiosity about what that would look like it's different than the current formation of the

[4:11:55] Voice 20: hapc yeah

[4:11:59] Voice 13: it's not clear what that commission is actually what creature it is that's so i i assume

[4:12:04] Voice 13: that would be one of the part of the analysis then or i'm not sure do

[4:12:10] Voice 21: you does the you agree

[4:12:11] Voice 21: uh sonya yeah

[4:12:13] Planner Zupanec: this is the point of this conversation is to help me you know obviously

[4:12:17] Planner Zupanec: i could provide you with a detailed description of every recommendation that was provided to you

[4:12:22] Planner Zupanec: and how it's going to look and how it's going to smell and how it's going to roll out

[4:12:27] Planner Zupanec: but i can't do that uh without spending an awful lot of time so the more i can you know i can

[4:12:33] Planner Zupanec: And categorize short, medium, long-term, that's not difficult.

[4:12:36] Planner Zupanec: How much detail you want on each and every one of those options is a lot of work.

[4:12:42] Voice 21: Okay, so this

[4:12:43] Voice 21: would be a

[4:12:44] Trustee Rogers: good time if you have items that you would like specific reporting on as to the possibilities of pursuing those recommendations.

[4:12:55] Trustee Rogers: This would be a good time to make those clear, make those known.

[4:12:59] Trustee Rogers: So, for example, if you want some reporting on what we could do about controlling future subdivisions, this would be a good time to ask the planner to report on that.

[4:13:10] Voice 20: Yeah, and so I would definitely, because a part of this is that we're planning without that water balance budget.

[4:13:17] Voice 20: So, you know, there's that potential for subdivision on acreages that have, you know, coastal Douglas fir plus inadequate water.

[4:13:26] Voice 20: water. So that's why I believe we have to be quite proactive in the way that we look

[4:13:30] Voice 20: at those. So short-term vacation rentals, subdivisions,

[4:13:37] Voice 13: water requirements.

[4:13:42] Voice 2: There is

[4:13:44] Voice 13: the possibility to use our own water requirements for subdivision, which is, you know, subdivisions

[4:13:53] Voice 20: are an area where we the trust has the least amount of input and and plays the least role

[4:13:59] Voice 20: and i think that that frustration and the and especially since it's adding to a type of housing

[4:14:05] Voice 20: which we have an overabundance already and we don't have limitations on land coverage or floor

[4:14:12] Voice 20: size and so there's potential for 16 000 square foot places and then we've got families that don't

[4:14:17] Voice 20: have places to live it's just and and we can't change all this right away but you know we have

[4:14:22] Voice 20: to we have to act where we can so the connection between subdivisions and water that's a special

[4:14:30] Voice 20: focus um coastal douglas fir we've discussed as being how that fits in with the work that's being

[4:14:35] Voice 20: done at the regional level and the potential bylaws coming out the strategic plan

[4:14:40] Voice 13: that'll

[4:14:41] Voice 13: probably come out this fiscal year that's the intent that yeah exactly

[4:14:44] Voice 13: a development a model

[4:14:47] Voice 13: development permit area bylaw yeah

[4:14:51] Voice 15: so

[4:14:52] Trustee Rogers: what I'm asked what I'm hearing from you trustee Colburn

[4:14:56] Trustee Rogers: just I don't I'm trying to put words in your mouth but is that you would like you would like

[4:15:00] Trustee Rogers: staff to provide reporting on options to to implement more implement recommendations

[4:15:14] Trustee Rogers: recommendations regarding sdvrs subdivisions and what was your phrase trustee longaris water

[4:15:20] Trustee Rogers: uh uh water requirements so it's a

[4:15:24] Voice 13: subdivision yeah yeah but the other one of course is the

[4:15:28] Voice 13: coastal douglas for toolkit if this fiscal year we have that is developed that will be you know

[4:15:35] Voice 13: be a template to use and modify locally that is a not a lot of work if it's not a lot of

[4:15:41] Voice 13: modification required and could

[4:15:44] Trustee Rogers: but you're not asking you're not asking the planner to

[4:15:46] Trustee Rogers: include that in in a report on this matter at this stage because we're going to get a report from

[4:15:54] Trustee Rogers: further yeah

[4:15:55] Voice 13: yeah yeah i guess it depends on how you define short-term medium-term and long-term

[4:15:59] Voice 13: i don't see

[4:16:00] Voice 13: that as long-term when

[4:16:02] Trustee Rogers: we're doing something different right now what we're asking

[4:16:04] Trustee Rogers: for is we're at we i'll we'll let the planner tell us what's short-term medium-term long-term

[4:16:10] Trustee Rogers: What we're doing right now is saying to the planner, and by the way, we would like some specific reporting on options on these topics.

[4:16:21] Trustee Rogers: That's what I understand that the planner, that Trustee Colbert is saying.

[4:16:25] Trustee Rogers: is saying and so far we've identified um sdb uh you know how can how can we can implement

[4:16:31] Trustee Rogers: recommendations on sdbrs um what options are there for us what what options are there for us

[4:16:38] Trustee Rogers: to restrict subdivisions and um uh and also i think we want to know from what i heard from

[4:16:47] Trustee Rogers: trustee colbert or from trustee longaris and what options are there for to implement the

[4:16:53] Trustee Rogers: recommendation on a on a um planning commission yeah

[4:16:58] Voice 20: and the other piece is a voluntary dedication

[4:17:02] Voice 20: of accommodation units or densities um because that's that's i think one of the most interesting

[4:17:06] Voice 20: things of this is that you if we are we did ask landowners would you be willing to dedicate

[4:17:10] Voice 20: a density from an unused lot or something toward um community benefit uh housing for for groups

[4:17:18] Voice 20: that currently don't have options so i would like to see how what that could look like i think we

[4:17:23] Voice 20: should ask for help from the community and and the number i think was 56 percent of landholders said

[4:17:29] Voice 20: that they would respond in a positive way to that and that there's a lot of cynicism about what

[4:17:34] Voice 20: property owners will do uh but it was surprising if we actually asked them so i think that could

[4:17:39] Voice 20: be a really exciting uh follow-up from this yeah

[4:17:41] Voice 13: i'm not as convinced about that because we have

[4:17:44] Voice 13: that currently in their ocp people can voluntarily donate a density to the density bank and i don't

[4:17:52] Voice 13: what's that i

[4:17:52] Voice 20: don't think it's well no i don't i think that's buried in a in an avalanche of

[4:17:56] Voice 20: regulations and i

[4:17:57] Voice 13: think so we could i think we have to ask

[4:17:58] Voice 20: well

[4:18:01] Voice 13: we could promote uh that policy

[4:18:03] Voice 13: yeah because it is there now and and actually there's actually a policy as well that could

[4:18:08] Voice 13: be developed to allow for a transfer of density of uh secondary suites to the density bank but

[4:18:14] Voice 13: there would have to be some policy developed around that so that's that's in the ocp right

[4:18:19] Voice 13: now all it needs is policy around that it would mean of course if somebody is donating they're

[4:18:24] Voice 13: going to you know have to there'd be a something on title to say that the density is gone but

[4:18:29] Voice 13: that would be the case anyway for even a main dwelling so so i'm i'm not sure maybe promotion

[4:18:37] Voice 13: of that would be the thing because it is there now and

[4:18:41] Voice 20: how that would be administered and how

[4:18:42] Voice 20: the density bank and where would where would those be used and how something that's sort of not yeah

[4:18:46] Voice 13: it's all used for it's all used for affordable housing for low income and with the the new

[4:18:53] Voice 13: bylaw potentially it'll be low to moderate low

[4:18:56] Voice 20: to moderate right

[4:18:56] Voice 13: that's already there yeah

[4:18:58] Voice 13: but i think

[4:19:01] Trustee Rogers: okay yeah okay so let's let's okay let's go back and try and craft a resolution

[4:19:09] Trustee Rogers: to give some direction to uh yeah yeah um nadine can you just tell me did you get any of that or

[4:19:16] Trustee Rogers: or do you need me to start all over?

[4:19:19] Voice 10: There's items like specific reporting

[4:19:22] Voice 10: on possibilities pursuing, for example, full controlling.

[4:19:29] Voice 21: Let's start all over.

[4:19:30] Voice 10: Okay.

[4:19:31] Voice 21: Okay, so the LTC

[4:19:32] Trustee Rogers: requests staff to report on options

[4:19:37] Trustee Rogers: on options to pursue the following

[4:19:46] Trustee Rogers: from the HAPC recommendations,

[4:19:50] Trustee Rogers: A, restricting STVRs,

[4:19:58] Trustee Rogers: B, restricting subdivisions,

[4:20:02] Trustee Rogers: C, the extent of a possible

[4:20:07] Trustee Rogers: possible uh planning commission uh did you did there need to be a separate one on water or or

[4:20:16] Trustee Rogers: was it included in the subdivision one i'm asking a question that's not part yeah if you want one

[4:20:24] Trustee Rogers: that's fine we can ask for one um

[4:20:26] Planner Zupanec: that's fine it's just another solution to achieve right

[4:20:30] Planner Zupanec: Right. And

[4:20:31] Trustee Rogers: then D was the suggestion of promoting, what was the, what is it? Voluntary, what's

[4:20:39] Trustee Rogers: the term? Voluntary dedication.

[4:20:42] Planner Zupanec: Dedication of densities.

[4:20:43] Trustee Rogers: Dedication of density. Yeah.

[4:20:45] Trustee Rogers: And I had,

[4:20:46] Voice 20: I had, yeah, yeah. So I didn't

[4:20:49] Trustee Rogers: get finished yet.

[4:20:49] Voice 20: Go ahead. Yeah. I, I wanted

[4:20:52] Voice 20: to speak to potentials in zoning for secondary accommodations, not secondary suites, but

[4:20:58] Voice 20: secondary accommodations so there's a lot in here about lot size and what's what's the potential

[4:21:04] Voice 20: and also um something that's not as much in the report but it's in a lot of the work that's being

[4:21:11] Voice 20: done in other ltcs is is flex zoning or cluster zoning some sort of zone that would allow if

[4:21:17] Voice 20: there's water for um cooperative housing so a cooperative housing zone or something that takes

[4:21:25] Voice 20: a lot of the elements within this report in terms of the creation of zoning that promotes

[4:21:32] Voice 20: increasing the housing options that have the lowest impact on the environment.

[4:21:36] Voice 13: Okay I have a question to flex zoning what exactly is that spot zoning or is it something different?

[4:21:44] Trustee Rogers: I'm guessing it's something like what we're pursuing on Maine right now which is

[4:21:48] Trustee Rogers: which is distributed zoning we that's what we the phrase we've ended up with which is

[4:21:53] Trustee Rogers: is that if you're zoned to put a ticket um a three thousand square foot home uh if you come

[4:22:01] Trustee Rogers: in with a proposal with three eight hundred square feet home a home you could build three

[4:22:06] Trustee Rogers: smaller places on the same property as opposed to the one big place um you know with with a whole

[4:22:13] Trustee Rogers: bunch of conditions attached um it is intended it that's the we haven't got there yet but that's

[4:22:21] Trustee Rogers: what we're working on that's the way i understand flex zoning

[4:22:23] Voice 20: yeah and so there's there's elements

[4:22:25] Voice 20: of this work that um is being done in other places that we can sort of piggyback on and use

[4:22:30] Voice 20: as solutions to some of the issues that are raised in in this work so that's just what i want to make

[4:22:35] Voice 20: sure okay

[4:22:36] Voice 13: is is flex zoning lot specific or is it a general zone it

[4:22:42] Planner Zupanec: could be both it's sites

[4:22:43] Voice 13: so that spot zoning then would be specific lot then you're talking about yeah

[4:22:49] Planner Zupanec: but you could

[4:22:49] Planner Zupanec: also apply it to a to a geography of parcels that you think are appropriate for that type of or an

[4:22:56] Planner Zupanec: actual zone the

[4:22:57] Planner Zupanec: whole extent of an actual zone if you think that that's an appropriate

[4:23:01] Planner Zupanec: uh outcome for that location so

[4:23:05] Voice 20: secondary accommodations and and some sort of cluster

[4:23:08] Voice 20: cluster flex zone that would get us out of the constant conversation about affordable housing

[4:23:13] Voice 20: where it's just right um

[4:23:15] Voice 20: yeah okay

[4:23:16] Trustee Rogers: so so Nadine back to you so e would be um uh secondary

[4:23:22] Trustee Rogers: accommodation um sorry availability and uh appropriate flex zoning and I guess we'll just

[4:23:33] Trustee Rogers: leave it there and see what what uh the planner comes up with and I turned

[4:23:40] Trustee Rogers: I turned to Sonia is

[4:23:41] Trustee Rogers: is that's enough enough clarity or do you need some more clarity than that no

[4:23:46] Planner Zupanec: that's super helpful

[4:23:47] Planner Zupanec: that gives me a better sense of where the local trust committee's at in reviewing that material

[4:23:53] Planner Zupanec: and communicating the things that you want more information on or need to determine the next phase

[4:24:00] Planner Zupanec: of this project thanks okay

[4:24:01] Trustee Rogers: super so i'm going to go back to nadine and just ask you because we

[4:24:05] Trustee Rogers: sort of pieced that motion uh piece by piece by piece and i did it by way of you know some

[4:24:11] Trustee Rogers: paragraphs just because it was easier in my brain and i think trustee langaris often works that way

[4:24:17] Trustee Rogers: um so hopefully that made sense to everybody could you read it back please sure

[4:24:22] Voice 10: uh request staff to

[4:24:24] Voice 10: report on options to pursue sue the following from the hapc recommendations a restricting stvrs b

[4:24:33] Voice 10: B, restricting subdivisions.

[4:24:35] Voice 10: C, the extent of possible planning commission.

[4:24:39] Voice 10: D, promoting voluntary dedication of densities.

[4:24:42] Voice 10: E, secondary accommodation availability

[4:24:45] Voice 10: and appropriate flexible zoning.

[4:24:50] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I think, yeah, that's fine.

[4:24:52] Trustee Rogers: Flex is flexible.

[4:24:53] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so trustees, does that sort of,

[4:24:56] Trustee Rogers: is that sort of bring our conversation

[4:24:59] Trustee Rogers: to somewhere we can be supportive?

[4:25:01] Trustee Rogers: And if not, say so before I ask someone.

[4:25:04] Trustee Rogers: motion uh

[4:25:05] Voice 13: yeah i'm supportive not all of it but most of it yeah of the items listed but okay so

[4:25:13] Trustee Rogers: then i'll ask uh trustee longares do you want to make that motion

[4:25:18] Trustee Rogers: you don't have

[4:25:18] Trustee Rogers: to read it out it's me uh

[4:25:21] Voice 13: okay i'll make the motion great okay

[4:25:25] Trustee Rogers: so thank you that's if that gives some direction i just want to make sure um i'm planning something

[4:25:30] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, But it's not with the earlier motion that's not too much to ask you know too big a load to ask you to take on i'm not seeing any answers so.

[4:25:44] Planner Zupanec: Councillor Wendy Gaertner- Oh

[4:25:44] Trustee Rogers: Okay,

[4:25:46] Planner Zupanec: did you mean seriously isn't too big of a load.

[4:25:49] Planner Zupanec: Councillor Wendy Gaertner- This project is a big project, and this is what we have to do is figure out.

[4:25:54] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Okay, so there so i'll call the vote on that so.

[4:25:59] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, That.

[4:26:01] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Sorry, all in favor.

[4:26:02] Trustee Rogers: I'm

[4:26:04] Voice 13: abstaining because okay mixed feelings but okay so we'll

[4:26:09] Trustee Rogers: take that an abstention I would

[4:26:12] Trustee Rogers: like an an emotion um that the LTC request uh uh the chair and the um uh the art regional

[4:26:23] Trustee Rogers: planning manager to explore um options for uh call it um enhanced funding for this project

[4:26:34] Trustee Rogers: for the housing available what is it called the housing something project

[4:26:39] Trustee Rogers: i

[4:26:40] Voice 20: know i've been looking at i've been looking for a name to use well it's it's on our

[4:26:46] Planner Zupanec: housing options and impacts review projects that yeah

[4:26:49] Trustee Rogers: that might be the best way to so that i mean

[4:26:52] Trustee Rogers: I mean if someone could make that motion so it's not me I'll

[4:26:57] Voice 20: make that yeah

[4:26:58] Trustee Rogers: and is there a seconder and if Nadine you got that got it could I

[4:27:04] Voice 20: yeah go ahead sorry go

[4:27:07] Voice 21: ahead trustee I

[4:27:08] Voice 20: wanted to add the David Marler to the to the list because I know he's already pursuing potential grants with other jurisdictions so just to make sure that this report gets to I believe some of the deadlines for those grants for the development permit work is like

[4:27:25] Voice 20: like end of May, so.

[4:27:28] Trustee Rogers: It's actually, well, I don't know,

[4:27:30] Trustee Rogers: if you're talking about the big planning grant

[4:27:31] Trustee Rogers: that's out there that he's working on right now,

[4:27:34] Trustee Rogers: it's actually the second week of May

[4:27:37] Trustee Rogers: is where he's gonna have a specific proposal

[4:27:40] Trustee Rogers: to bring to us, but it's not about specific funding

[4:27:43] Trustee Rogers: for specific projects,

[4:27:44] Trustee Rogers: but maybe you're talking about a different grant.

[4:27:46] Voice 20: There's a couple of them,

[4:27:47] Voice 20: but just to make sure that we're in that conversation,

[4:27:49] Voice 20: I think this report has several elements

[4:27:51] Voice 20: in terms of development permits that.

[4:27:53] Voice 20: it

[4:27:54] Trustee Rogers: so so i'll just say that the first place that uh rpm cower and i are going to is to david marla

[4:28:02] Trustee Rogers: so i don't where that's where we'll go and um and i i'd like anyway so i don't think we need

[4:28:10] Trustee Rogers: to add them if

[4:28:10] Voice 20: it doesn't need to be implied that's fine

[4:28:12] Trustee Rogers: okay okay so if everybody if i think

[4:28:15] Trustee Rogers: that's been moved in second and i assume you got that nadine it was fairly short yes

[4:28:21] Voice 10: i got it okay

[4:28:22] Trustee Rogers: so all in favor and that

[4:28:25] Voice 20: would include the possibility of tax requisitions as well right

[4:28:28] Voice 20: like

[4:28:28] Trustee Rogers: that's just funding options absolutely that's a possibility but the only one we have

[4:28:34] Trustee Rogers: is this is the SWIFT model right that's the specific local trust area and tax requisition

[4:28:40] Trustee Rogers: and that's a trust council decision um yeah and it's and it's possible and it's entirely possible

[4:28:47] Trustee Rogers: possible and if we come to a dead end on this uh or you want to have much more funding than we

[4:28:53] Trustee Rogers: could find and that's possible they raise what are they raising eighty thousand dollars a year

[4:28:58] Trustee Rogers: off salt spring for the approximately yeah

[4:29:01] Voice 13: 85 yeah yeah

[4:29:03] Trustee Rogers: something like that just

[4:29:04] Voice 20: that we're

[4:29:05] Voice 20: discussing you know i know how much time these things take to get to the trust council level

[4:29:08] Voice 20: and then we're into a budgeting cycle so i just want to make sure we're having these discussions

[4:29:11] Voice 20: now to enable us to do it if that's the option that we take

[4:29:13] Trustee Rogers: right i'd like to find a more

[4:29:15] Trustee Rogers: more intermediate option before we get

[4:29:18] Trustee Rogers: into the bigger discussion.

[4:29:19] Trustee Rogers: So that's what a regional planning manager and I

[4:29:22] Trustee Rogers: are going to go explore the inner workings

[4:29:27] Trustee Rogers: of the budgeting process.

[4:29:31] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything else about this report

[4:29:33] Trustee Rogers: that either trustee wishes to raise?

[4:29:36] Voice 13: No, other than I'm willing to write up something

[4:29:39] Voice 13: on just some of the questions I had about the data

[4:29:43] Voice 13: and I'd like to give that feedback

[4:29:46] Voice 13: So I'll try to do that for the next committee meeting.

[4:29:53] Voice 13: Okay.

[4:29:53] Voice 13: Yeah.

[4:29:54] Planner Zupanec: So can I ask clarification?

[4:29:56] Planner Zupanec: Will you be asking staff for that clarification or?

[4:30:00] Planner Zupanec: would you i

[4:30:01] Voice 13: could it's asking you for clarification no just my understanding as to what's there

[4:30:08] Voice 13: and the questions i had i had because i had a number of questions about it

[4:30:13] Trustee Rogers: well i guess one

[4:30:15] Trustee Rogers: of the questions will be which we'll decide a little later is uh if there's an atpc you could

[4:30:21] Trustee Rogers: ask the chair yeah yeah and

[4:30:24] Trustee Rogers: i assume uh i see toby's still here that she'd be more than willing

[4:30:29] Trustee Rogers: to yeah oh i

[4:30:30] Trustee Rogers: think she would yeah receive your questions yeah uh

[4:30:34] Trustee Rogers: do you want to promote toby

[4:30:35] Trustee Rogers: uh just for a second i'm i'm just i hope nobody minds if i invite her to join us for a second

[4:30:41] Trustee Rogers: i assume you're okay with that if uh miss trustee clangaris has questions regarding the apc

[4:30:53] Trustee Rogers: recommendations i'll

[4:30:55] Voice 6: do my best um i was not analysis team um so yeah i can i can try to

[4:31:03] Voice 6: to, I can either take notes on your questions, Trustee Langriss, and then get back to you, or

[4:31:12] Voice 6: what we could do is perhaps ask the team, like I had, we did have a question, because when it comes

[4:31:20] Voice 6: to reports that the trust undertakes, sometimes they come back with all of the comments listed,

[4:31:28] Voice 6: and it wasn't in the capacity of our volunteer team to list every single comment and so I don't

[4:31:36] Voice 6: know if that's an expectation that this project should provide every qualitative comment but if

[4:31:44] Voice 6: you've got

[4:31:45] Voice 6: specific questions the analysis team would be happy to get back to you on that stuff

[4:31:49] Voice 6: okay

[4:31:49] Trustee Rogers: that'd be great I'll just say I thought that the not to not to blow too much

[4:31:57] Trustee Rogers: smoke at Nadine, but her ability to record the comments in your meetings was amazing.

[4:32:05] Trustee Rogers: I got a real sense of your meeting and all the various comments from your actual meetings,

[4:32:10] Trustee Rogers: and I thought the team did a great job in sort of giving us a sample of the qualitative comments.

[4:32:16] Trustee Rogers: Yes, some of our surveys that we do, particularly on the budget, they put out 40 pages of

[4:32:25] Trustee Rogers: of every state comment from every everybody uh but i i don't think we would i would expect that

[4:32:31] Trustee Rogers: from you from this group i think it did a great job thank

[4:32:37] Voice 20: you thank you on behalf of all of us

[4:32:38] Voice 20: i think it's the same

[4:32:39] Voice 6: thank you it's our pleasure it's work that needed to be done and it was

[4:32:43] Voice 6: yeah everyone was motivated a

[4:32:45] Voice 13: lot of work definitely if

[4:32:50] Voice 6: i can answer anything about

[4:32:52] Voice 6: the commission um just about the idea for that if we want to explore that but um that might be

[4:32:58] Voice 6: for a later discussion that

[4:33:00] Voice 20: could be part of the commission itself too is that discussion

[4:33:04] Voice 20: right when reformulated right okay

[4:33:11] Trustee Rogers: so uh so there you go trust me you have a way to make

[4:33:15] Trustee Rogers: your comments ask your questions get your clarity about the report uh you know nothing's perfect i

[4:33:21] Trustee Rogers: found a couple of things right which i thought well they're that their stats are wrong but it

[4:33:25] Trustee Rogers: would but overall it was it was uh did

[4:33:28] Voice 6: make a mistake on the on actually some numbers it was

[4:33:32] Voice 6: was not one in eight gabrielans it was one in nine gabrielans on the first

[4:33:35] Voice 6: survey so um yeah

[4:33:37] Voice 6: somebody from the community caught that and we've been uh correcting so a new updated report will be

[4:33:43] Voice 6: issued yeah yeah yeah

[4:33:44] Voice 6: i

[4:33:45] Voice 13: make mistakes all the time yeah anyway it's

[4:33:49] Trustee Rogers: not a prison but so yeah okay so

[4:33:51] Trustee Rogers: is there anything else regarding this matter before we move on in the agenda i'm not seeing

[4:33:57] Trustee Rogers: anything i want to thank uh the planner for uh your attention to this and thanks for joining us

[4:34:02] Trustee Rogers: Toby and Ms. Elliot and we'll see you soon so let me

[4:34:08] Voice 15: just take

[4:34:09] Trustee Rogers: a second to find my agenda

[4:34:11] Trustee Rogers: sheet again which got moved around as I was shuffling deeper this whole thing and I have

[4:34:19] Trustee Rogers: no idea where I put it no

[4:34:26] Voice 13: we did the act of transportation so we're at delegations yeah no I

[4:34:31] Trustee Rogers: I just had to find it so we're at that's right we're at number nine and that's nothing and there's

[4:34:36] Trustee Rogers: no correspondence except I understand you're going to raise some correspondence when we get to

[4:34:40] Trustee Rogers: applications uh there was no new business we're at 12.1 which was uh if anyone has beyond the

[4:34:49] Trustee Rogers: extensive discussion where I have the climate change action updates do either of you have

[4:34:53] Trustee Rogers: anything specific you'd like to raise I'm seeing nothing uh and we've talked about our First

[4:34:59] Trustee Rogers: Nations um uh actions is there anything further on the relationship building you'd like to mention

[4:35:05] Trustee Rogers: you've mentioned your meetings with the dynamic yes trustee colburn uh

[4:35:08] Voice 20: just the reports that lisa

[4:35:09] Voice 20: wilcox provided to the last trust council i believe have been posted to the main website

[4:35:13] Voice 20: and i'll be promoting those in the community as as uh incredible reading uh to situate us where we

[4:35:19] Voice 20: are in in place and time uh those are very special reports and and i hope people are going to access

[4:35:25] Voice 20: them and learn along with us

[4:35:27] Voice 13: yeah lisa's been a godsend to the trust her

[4:35:31] Trustee Rogers: report her writing is

[4:35:33] Trustee Rogers: is very detailed and very informative and very readable and it strikes you as you read the

[4:35:41] Trustee Rogers: report that trustee colburn talks about it is may sometimes seems like we move slowly and don't get

[4:35:46] Trustee Rogers: much accomplished but when you look at what we've done over the last two and a half years it's it's

[4:35:51] Trustee Rogers: it's it's it's moving i'd

[4:35:54] Voice 13: also add delaney as

[4:35:56] Trustee Rogers: well as another oh wow that's a whole yes

[4:35:59] Trustee Rogers: Yes, it's also intimidating because it also shows how far we have to go.

[4:36:04] Trustee Rogers: So there is another conservancy report.

[4:36:08] Trustee Rogers: Now we're at the applications report, which is at page 294.

[4:36:15] Trustee Rogers: So I think there were a couple of questions that the trustees had about the applications report.

[4:36:23] Voice 20: Yeah, so the Church Spruce subdivision is currently, there's work being done.

[4:36:27] Voice 20: I believe Chair and Trustee Langeris also received a quite high volume of correspondence regarding a fire lane and some tree removal that was happening there, and I discussed it with the planner.

[4:36:39] Voice 20: I responded to people and told them with some advice that writing to the Ministry of Transportation and the approvals officer staff would be an avenue for them to express those concerns at this stage in the process,

[4:36:55] Voice 20: is the LTC doesn't have an oversight ability at this stage so that I believe

[4:37:00] Voice 20: those letters were sent as well but I just want to bring it up in a public

[4:37:03] Voice 20: meeting because that correspondence did sort of pass through us and see if the

[4:37:08] Voice 20: planner has any update or overview of that.

[4:37:14] Planner Zupanec: No I don't have any updates on the

[4:37:16] Planner Zupanec: status of that file it's still an open subdivision referral for us with

[4:37:20] Planner Zupanec: conditions still needing to be to be met and I'm happy to field any of those

[4:37:27] Planner Zupanec: questions that folks have about status of applications they can just contact us yeah

[4:37:32] Voice 13: i've been uh referring them to uh multi as well the

[4:37:39] Trustee Rogers: the subdivide the subdivision part of multi

[4:37:42] Trustee Rogers: right yeah yeah

[4:37:44] Voice 20: there's a number of um older growth trees that are being removed and there

[4:37:49] Voice 20: was a idea put forward that the fire lane could go in a different spot um so now

[4:37:54] Trustee Rogers: i remember this

[4:37:55] Trustee Rogers: correspondence yes yeah it was

[4:37:57] Voice 20: a while ago it's a while ago and so the big way that this subdivision

[4:38:00] Voice 20: was done is it's kind of like well the tree protection is going to be offset in another area

[4:38:05] Voice 20: because it's now parkland so but that what can we do with the current work being done if there

[4:38:10] Voice 20: are other options and that does have that did have to go through in my understanding to the

[4:38:14] Voice 20: ministry of transportation and the approvals officer so um they've they've heard that and i

[4:38:19] Voice 20: don't think there's more that we can do um but that was my only other question for the planner is

[4:38:24] Voice 20: Is there any function that the LTC can play

[4:38:27] Voice 20: or is the oversight completely handled

[4:38:30] Voice 20: by the approvals officer aside from the referrals

[4:38:33] Voice 20: that we've already provided in a previous term?

[4:38:36] Voice 13: One of the questions I had was the fire lane,

[4:38:38] Voice 13: the terminology fire lane versus strata road.

[4:38:41] Voice 13: Are they one and the same or is it different?

[4:38:45] Trustee Rogers: Okay, you got two questions there.

[4:38:47] Trustee Rogers: Do you want to answer either of them?

[4:38:49] Trustee Rogers: Sure.

[4:38:50] Planner Zupanec: I'm not sure about the fire lane

[4:38:52] Planner Zupanec: and the strata road differentiation.

[4:38:55] Planner Zupanec: can't help with that one sorry okay and then in terms of what can be done this is the classic

[4:39:00] Planner Zupanec: example of you know at the time of a rezoning why comprehensive biophysical inventories identifying

[4:39:07] Planner Zupanec: the features that that you want to protect and making sure you're using land use planning tools

[4:39:11] Planner Zupanec: to protect those there was there's no policy guidance in the ocp for those density transfers

[4:39:17] Planner Zupanec: to also require comprehensive protection

[4:39:20] Planner Zupanec: of the receiver properties.

[4:39:23] Planner Zupanec: And so this is where the rubber hits the road

[4:39:27] Planner Zupanec: in terms of at the time of rezoning,

[4:39:29] Planner Zupanec: we need to have that policy direction

[4:39:31] Planner Zupanec: to ensure that you must demonstrate

[4:39:35] Planner Zupanec: a higher level of protection of the landscapes,

[4:39:38] Planner Zupanec: not just the donor properties,

[4:39:42] Planner Zupanec: but the receiver properties

[4:39:43] Planner Zupanec: that's receiving the density as well.

[4:39:47] Trustee Rogers: Al, what we've done with, or we're trying to do with the Paisley Place, with the development permit attached to the zone, et cetera, et cetera.

[4:40:01] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, okay.

[4:40:04] Trustee Rogers: Challenging.

[4:40:05] Trustee Rogers: Sorry about that.

[4:40:05] Voice 20: That's part of

[4:40:06] Voice 20: the reason I kind of brought up a subdivision moratorium.

[4:40:08] Voice 20: If we don't have

[4:40:09] Voice 20: that water balance budget, if we don't have the biophysical inventory, from a regulatory point of view, the community is powerless.

[4:40:18] Voice 20: And that's, that's the, and it's creating a type of housing that we already have an over in abundance. Right. So, yeah.

[4:40:26] Trustee Rogers: Are there any questions about any specific applications here that the planner sees like that.

[4:40:32] Voice 13: I just noted that there's two TUPs pending as well. It was mentioned at the time of the discussion, but that'll be coming up and whether that's going to increase or not, I don't know.

[4:40:42] Voice 13: of it so

[4:40:45] Trustee Rogers: one thing i keep being reminded of things i learned at ec yesterday one of the reports we

[4:40:51] Trustee Rogers: got from um director marler was that they had done some stats recently and there isn't believe

[4:41:00] Trustee Rogers: it or not there's an 87 increase in applications um and uh on a year-over-year basis um which is

[4:41:14] Trustee Rogers: given everybody a a huge i mean i just found that out yesterday uh which is a more than a bit

[4:41:22] Trustee Rogers: surprising because the last time he reported he said they were about trending about the

[4:41:26] Trustee Rogers: same as they had the year before but now all of a sudden there's been this huge uptick um

[4:41:31] Trustee Rogers: so i mean besides trying to figure out all the things we've been talking about here

[4:41:36] Trustee Rogers: with the housing options we we uh we did pass a motion to send out notice um first of all to let

[4:41:45] Trustee Rogers: trustees know that this is going on uh but that's the stats but second of all to send out um uh

[4:41:51] Trustee Rogers: some sort of communication that that uh that that people should expect um that applications will

[4:42:01] Trustee Rogers: take about twice as long to process as they had before. And the example he gave is we usually

[4:42:09] Trustee Rogers: tell people that development variance permanence will take six to eight weeks. He thinks they'll

[4:42:13] Trustee Rogers: now take three to four months. You can't absorb an 87% application. As we talked about yesterday,

[4:42:26] Trustee Rogers: if you were running a widget factory, you'd just hire a bunch more staff. But of course,

[4:42:30] Trustee Rogers: that work for us because we don't take nearly enough in in application fees to cover off the

[4:42:37] Trustee Rogers: cost of processing them so we can't anyway but it's also i it's also reflective of what you're

[4:42:45] Trustee Rogers: seeing on gabriola which i guessing isn't there's a lot of of uh construction etc going on is

[4:42:51] Trustee Rogers: reflected everywhere uh and so every level dc is struggling with how to do what did they call it in

[4:42:59] Trustee Rogers: the housing report um appropriate and managed growth or something like that um you know what

[4:43:06] Trustee Rogers: does that look like for uh for every every island organized that group um certainly i assume it's

[4:43:15] Trustee Rogers: the same on gabriola as it is everywhere else the real estate market's hot sizzling and i guess

[4:43:23] Voice 13: eventually the lots will all be built on that's what's happening well

[4:43:26] Trustee Rogers: i think that's one of the

[4:43:27] Trustee Rogers: the things that that the analysis i saw from at the end of the housing report or as an appendix

[4:43:33] Trustee Rogers: talked about the various options so you know if they build if these mount are built on you know

[4:43:39] Trustee Rogers: this is what the population will look like etc etc etc and um you know like i i know we're late

[4:43:47] Trustee Rogers: into this and i don't mean us personally but the organization is sort of behind the eight ball but

[4:43:54] Trustee Rogers: But sometimes the swings and ebbs are hard to predict going forward.

[4:43:58] Trustee Rogers: If you ask us 10 years ago, the population was going down.

[4:44:01] Trustee Rogers: And now it's everybody wants to move here.

[4:44:06] Trustee Rogers: It's happening not just here, obviously.

[4:44:09] Trustee Rogers: It's happening all over Vancouver Island and up in the interior and everywhere.

[4:44:14] Trustee Rogers: Anyway,

[4:44:14] Voice 13: I just wanted to go ahead.

[4:44:16] Voice 13: Oh, just the demographics are changing as well.

[4:44:19] Voice 13: What are the

[4:44:20] Voice 13: families moving over?

[4:44:22] Voice 13: i

[4:44:22] Trustee Rogers: might have said this before but when i was i when i was in ubcm in um uh in um whenever that

[4:44:31] Trustee Rogers: was october uh one of the the the the um sessions i was in was talking about future planning and

[4:44:39] Trustee Rogers: they were talking about that this has been a five-year trend of people moving from the cities

[4:44:43] Trustee Rogers: into more rural, I use that term advisably, areas,

[4:44:50] Trustee Rogers: and that it's only accelerated during the course of COVID

[4:44:54] Trustee Rogers: and that you should just understand this is going to continue

[4:44:57] Trustee Rogers: because this is a pattern that's set up

[4:45:00] Trustee Rogers: and you have to plan for what you want to protect

[4:45:04] Trustee Rogers: and how you want to manage that growth.

[4:45:07] Trustee Rogers: And we're seeing it all over the, anyway.

[4:45:11] Trustee Rogers: anyway um just thought i'd let you know that um there's an expense report at uh 302 are there

[4:45:19] Trustee Rogers: any questions about that not seeing

[4:45:23] Voice 13: a scott's expenditure on travel is a bit excessive yeah

[4:45:27] Trustee Rogers: zero both of you um uh we have the standing resolutions uh anything about that that either

[4:45:38] Trustee Rogers: of you want to raise i

[4:45:39] Voice 20: wanted to raise the potential to send bc hydro a letter my reading of

[4:45:43] Voice 20: the um uh there's so many report names uh the uh model strategy for antenna is that bc hydro and

[4:45:52] Voice 20: i think maybe given the time in this meeting maybe we could return to this as a agenda item next time

[4:45:57] Voice 20: but to send a letter to bc hydro that any um use of their existing hydropole infrastructure for

[4:46:05] Voice 20: for communications infrastructure would require a public hearing.

[4:46:09] Voice 20: Not according to...

[4:46:10] Voice 13: I know Trustee Langer is going to say that he doesn't think it does.

[4:46:13] Voice 20: I think it does.

[4:46:13] Voice 20: I think we can solve that at the next meeting

[4:46:17] Voice 20: and then send them a letter saying that they will require that

[4:46:19] Voice 20: and get out of the way of some of the other antenna

[4:46:21] Voice 20: and communications things.

[4:46:23] Voice 20: Because there is a perception that that could happen.

[4:46:25] Voice 20: And I think we should be clear amongst ourselves

[4:46:30] Voice 20: and then also be proactive and send them a letter.

[4:46:33] Voice 13: I did get confirmation from the feds on that.

[4:46:41] Voice 13: So are

[4:46:42] Voice 13: you

[4:46:43] Trustee Rogers: making that motion today or are you going to bring it to the next meeting?

[4:46:48] Voice 20: I'll bring it to the next meeting.

[4:46:50] Voice 20: Sure.

[4:46:50] Voice 20: Okay.

[4:46:51] Trustee Rogers: We can talk about it.

[4:46:52] Trustee Rogers: You can put any motion you want.

[4:46:54] Trustee Rogers: And to be honest, you know, even if we aren't convinced we have the jurisdiction, that didn't stop South Saturna Island from trying to zone out into the water.

[4:47:05] Trustee Rogers: regarding the tankers so

[4:47:07] Trustee Rogers: I think they did actually

[4:47:11] Trustee Rogers: yeah and

[4:47:13] Trustee Rogers: you know does it hold water

[4:47:18] Trustee Rogers: anything about the standing

[4:47:19] Trustee Rogers: resolutions nothing else

[4:47:23] Trustee Rogers: and then we don't

[4:47:24] Trustee Rogers: and there's oh

[4:47:25] Trustee Rogers: well you

[4:47:27] Trustee Rogers: well you guys saw that the new

[4:47:31] Trustee Rogers: out beta

[4:47:32] Trustee Rogers: websites out so they're

[4:47:34] Trustee Rogers: are looking for feedback just a reminder that yeah i

[4:47:37] Voice 20: had enough to read this week and uh i didn't i

[4:47:41] Voice 20: didn't even look at it yet but i will yeah

[4:47:43] Trustee Rogers: well particularly you i told claire there's no point

[4:47:47] Trustee Rogers: in me looking at it but um uh but i you should okay we're at the top the top priorities report

[4:47:54] Trustee Rogers: uh list we've already put something on the project list is there anything to change

[4:47:59] Trustee Rogers: and at this point in either of those nothing further um then uh we are at the end of the

[4:48:09] Trustee Rogers: meeting our next regular scheduled meeting is actually not so long away it's four weeks

[4:48:12] Trustee Rogers: thursday may 13th at 10 30 a.m via zoom is there anything else before we go into our closed meeting

[4:48:19] Trustee Rogers: from either of the trustees no no

[4:48:21] Trustee Rogers: i'll

[4:48:23] Voice 13: be right i'll be right back so

[4:48:25] Trustee Rogers: uh thank you very much to

[4:48:26] Trustee Rogers: everybody who's hung in there we still had five people now we're down to four uh who's been with

[4:48:32] Trustee Rogers: us and uh if um trustee uh colbert if you could make the motion and then what are we i think we're

[4:48:39] Trustee Rogers: going to a different link aren't we that's

[4:48:41] Planner Zupanec: correct you have to log into a different link

[4:48:43] Planner Zupanec: thank you

[4:48:48] Voice 21: nadine

[4:48:49] Voice 9: you should have received it from me there should be an email from me with the link

[4:48:53] Voice 9: for the closed meeting and same thing for everyone else i'll look in my spam sent today okay hey we'll

[4:49:01] Trustee Rogers: see you all in a moment and trustee colburn could you make the motion first yes um it's on the third

[4:49:07] Trustee Rogers: page of the agenda that

[4:49:09] Voice 20: the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community

[4:49:11] Voice 20: charter part four division three section 91 a b a d i for the purpose of considering appointment

[4:49:16] Voice 20: of housing advisory planning commission members adoption of in-camera meeting minutes dated march

[4:49:20] Voice 20: 4th 2021 and legal advice and the recorder and staff attend the meeting

[4:49:24] Trustee Rogers: i'll second that um

[4:49:26] Trustee Rogers: and all in favor so we'll see you at the uh it's carried unanimously thank you very much

[4:49:31] Trustee Rogers: there's only two people left thank you very much and we'll see you all on

[4:49:35] Trustee Rogers: at the at the um on may the 13th and i'll see you all at the in-camera meeting thanks bye