Islands Trust Council regular meeting, July 5, 2021

[0:00:04] Good

[0:00:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): morning or afternoon, everyone. We'll start in just a moment.

[0:00:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): We are live streaming, but our attendees are still arriving.

[0:00:45] Voice 7: I'm just going to turn off my video for a moment.

[0:01:04] Voice 20: Okay. Y'all good, Jane?

[0:01:16] Voice 7: For those of you, I was rushing around trying to find Wi-Fi today, so I missed my lunch.

[0:01:23] Voice 7: I might turn off my video periodically just to do that.

[0:01:26] Voice 7: All

[0:01:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): right. So, well, I'm going to, we seem to have 12 attendees so far today.

[0:01:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): I want to welcome everybody to the regular meeting of the Galeano Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's, as everybody will know, it's a beautiful day, not across the Coast Salish,

[0:01:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): traditional territories, Coast Salish people and across the local trust area.

[0:01:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's not the crazy heat that we had a week ago, so thankfully we didn't have this meeting a week ago, but we're doing it today.

[0:02:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): I want to welcome you all and of course want to start with a reminder or a recognition and acknowledgement of the fact that we are meeting across the territories of the Coast Salish peoples.

[0:02:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): peoples. I'm joining you from the traditional territories of the Squamish, Tsleil-Waututh

[0:02:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): and Musqueam peoples. I'm in Vancouver today, and I know that some of our staff are joining

[0:02:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the territories of the WSAMC speaking peoples and across Vancouver. And then those

[0:02:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): of you on Galeano, of course, are in the traditional territory of the First Nations and other Coast

[0:02:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Salish peoples who have lived in this area for millennium. We are on a daily basis reminded of the

[0:02:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): history that this country has of its malfeasance of treatment of First Nations and Indigenous

[0:03:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): peoples. I know most of the people that I know, and I'm guessing everybody on this call and many

[0:03:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): Many of you are thinking and listening on a daily basis regarding how that impacts in your life, how you can how you can act, what steps you can take, what learning you can do.

[0:03:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): My approach mostly is learning and listening and listening and listening and learning and and then how to figuring out how to take action.

[0:03:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's lots of resources around, both on social media and elsewhere, related to what steps you can take. So I encourage you to do so and to think about your role in reconciliation as we move forward.

[0:04:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, with that, I'll just leave that and encourage people to do that.

[0:04:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): And, yeah.

[0:04:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, I'm also, just before we start, I'm just thinking of the people across British Columbia that are dealing with the multitude of fires.

[0:04:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): and of course the people in the First Nation community

[0:04:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): of Lytton, of the Lytton First Nation

[0:04:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the community itself, the town of Lytton itself

[0:04:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): and how they're dealing with the struggles from the fires

[0:04:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): when there's fires, mostly in the interior

[0:04:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): but all across the province.

[0:04:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): And it's obviously a stark reminder of our failure

[0:04:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): to deal with climate change issues as in the past

[0:04:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): and our challenge ahead to try and mitigate

[0:04:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): and adapt to what is to come.

[0:04:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): So this is a continuation of our electronic meetings.

[0:05:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): As you will all undoubtedly know,

[0:05:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): because you follow the news,

[0:05:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): the public health emergency orders have been lifted.

[0:05:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so over the course of the next 90 days,

[0:05:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): there will be an opportunity to return to some form of in-person meetings i'm going to be talking

[0:05:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): about that a bit more in in our in my chair's report and and i think also later in the agenda

[0:05:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): we'll be talking about that with the trustees that's going to look like on galliano but for

[0:05:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): the moment this meeting is being held electronically uh we are across zoom it's being broadcast so you

[0:05:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): can watch it without joining the webinar and it's also being recorded and is online for anyone

[0:05:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): will be posted on our website I've lost track of how long it takes but it's a matter of a short

[0:05:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): number of days to get up onto our website it's really just an administrative time issue and so

[0:06:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): there are at least three ways for you to access this by joining the webinars and attending we

[0:06:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have 13 of those and to join the,

[0:06:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): and to watch it online and the broadcast

[0:06:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): and also to live broadcast or watch the recording.

[0:06:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): The process will be in terms of the electronics

[0:06:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that you'll be able to see us and hear us

[0:06:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): as we go through the meeting,

[0:06:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): much as you would do if we're sitting in the hall.

[0:06:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): I know it's not exactly the same,

[0:06:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): but as you will see us throughout this meeting,

[0:06:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): talking to each other and conducting our business. You will see staff come on and off the meeting

[0:06:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): as we go along, and there will be a few opportunities for you to speak

[0:06:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): as part of this process. There's the town halls for issues that aren't on our agenda

[0:06:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): or applications that aren't on our agenda, I should say. Actually, that's not true. If you're

[0:07:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): an applicant, you'll have an opportunity to speak during your application. Anyone else can speak

[0:07:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): through the town halls related to the applications. And then during the applications,

[0:07:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): we will invite the applicants themselves to join us if they wish. So those are the sort of the way

[0:07:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): the, and you'll hear me interact with staff as we do that. So I just want to take a moment and

[0:07:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): introduce who you're seeing on your screen. So first of all, of course, your local trustees,

[0:07:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): of trustee Jane Wolverton and hello trustee Tahira Rakavela.

[0:07:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): Nice to see you.

[0:07:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): I hope to be able to see you in person.

[0:07:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's now been 16 months

[0:07:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that's the last time I saw you in person.

[0:07:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): So welcome and you'll also see on your screen

[0:07:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): our recorder Carly Bilney.

[0:07:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you Carly for your excellent work

[0:07:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I understand you'll be turning your camera off

[0:07:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): for most of the time.

[0:07:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): I also saw Maple Hung, who's the planning assistant,

[0:08:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): who's doing the controls behind the scene and running the electronics

[0:08:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): and will be promoting people as appropriate to be able to turn their camera on.

[0:08:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): Speak high, Maple.

[0:08:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): Maple's in Victoria somewhere.

[0:08:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): And you'll hear me speak to both Maple and Carly as we go along.

[0:08:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): You'll also see three members of our planning staff.

[0:08:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): You'll see RPM, Robert Kojima.

[0:08:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): Nice to see you, Robert.

[0:08:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): You'll see Planner Phil Testamale,

[0:08:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): who has a couple of reports on the agenda.

[0:08:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): Hi, Phil.

[0:08:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so he'll come on when we get to his reports.

[0:08:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then the Island Planner for this area,

[0:08:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): Planner Brad Smith.

[0:08:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, hi, Brad.

[0:08:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): Nice to see you all.

[0:08:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we'll get to you as we work our way through the agenda.

[0:08:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Now I'm going to, before I move to the agenda,

[0:08:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm going to turn over to Trustee Wolverton for a few comments.

[0:08:57] Voice 7: Okay, good afternoon everyone. I wanted to do the introduction today because of the many

[0:09:04] Voice 7: comments I've received about the tenor of our meetings. This must be a safe place for everyone.

[0:09:10] Voice 7: It is also a workplace of staff and trustees and as with all workplaces we're entitled to have

[0:09:17] Voice 7: a work environment that is safe and respectful. It also needs to be safe for everyone who attends

[0:09:22] Voice 7: the meetings. And I've heard from many that they're very uncomfortable with the level of

[0:09:28] Voice 7: animosity at times and what they perceive as personal attacks. I think that the COVID

[0:09:34] Voice 7: restrictions and possibly the heat wave have affected how we relate to one another. Several

[0:09:40] Voice 7: years ago, we started the tradition at the community hall of a break in the LTC meetings

[0:09:45] Voice 7: or in other CIMs in order to have refreshments and to have a chance to talk informally among

[0:09:50] Voice 7: ourselves. Without that I think we have lost some connections and civility.

[0:09:57] Voice 7: Staff and trustees are trying their best. You may not always agree with your

[0:10:02] Voice 7: trustees, we don't always agree with each other, but I think that when we have

[0:10:06] Voice 7: civil discourse we can hear each other better and that the discussions can be

[0:10:11] Voice 7: more comprehensive and thoughtful. Galliano residents are definitely

[0:10:15] Voice 7: passionate and engaged and this is great. We appreciate all the views of this

[0:10:20] Voice 7: community sometimes not the way in which they're delivered so please remember to speak only during

[0:10:27] Voice 7: the times allotted to you address the trustees if you have a question that staff needs to answer

[0:10:33] Voice 7: the trustees will ask staff to respond this is not an open forum for you to address other members of

[0:10:39] Voice 7: the community and you can do that elsewhere so please speak to the issues use language that is

[0:10:44] Voice 7: is honest, accurate and direct and focuses on facts

[0:10:48] Voice 7: and please speak respectfully.

[0:10:51] Voice 7: So thank you for your cooperation

[0:10:53] Voice 7: in making these meetings effective and constructive.

[0:10:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Back to you.

[0:11:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you, Trustee Wolverton.

[0:11:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): So let's go to the agenda.

[0:11:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): I have a couple of items that I want to add to the agenda.

[0:11:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so, and I'll just raise them

[0:11:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): and trustees can see if they agree.

[0:11:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): First of all, there was a motion that was made

[0:11:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): to defer an issue related to the galley application

[0:11:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): to this meeting.

[0:11:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I think we need to put it back on the agenda,

[0:11:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): which I'm proposing to put in as 13.4,

[0:11:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is deferred motion re-galley.

[0:11:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'm sorry, I'm short forming,

[0:11:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): but that's the acronym I know it by.

[0:11:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that would be,

[0:11:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that would be after the fourth of the four applications.

[0:11:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): And of course, Trustee Rockefeller will recuse herself

[0:11:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): for that when we get to that,

[0:11:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): if that's okay with Trustee Wolverton.

[0:11:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): I know you flagged this.

[0:12:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): The other issue I thought might be new business

[0:12:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): was we received a lot of communication

[0:12:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): related to an application regarding a mining permit

[0:12:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): on DL 12 and I thought we might discuss whether there's any steps that the trustees may want to

[0:12:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): take related to that is that something else you'd like to see on the agenda okay so I'm going to put

[0:12:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): it as new business 16.2 I'll just record it as DL 12 mining application and is there anything else

[0:12:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): that trustees would like to either change or add to the agenda trustee rock um

[0:12:44] Voice 15: yeah could i add

[0:12:45] Voice 15: giggers regarding graywater study for the on the new business okay

[0:12:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): under new business or as part

[0:12:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the applications uh it doesn't matter

[0:12:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): it doesn't matter okay whatever

[0:12:58] Voice 15: yeah whatever makes

[0:12:59] Voice 15: it easier for jane to recuse herself wherever it works

[0:13:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah well let's let's do this let's put that

[0:13:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): that as 13.4 or

[0:13:07] Voice 7: 13

[0:13:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): .5 and we'll put something Giggers

[0:13:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): and particularly related to Greywater.

[0:13:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, that was the motion related to emotion

[0:13:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): we passed at the last meeting as well.

[0:13:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): So also

[0:13:24] Voice 7: James Island, the letter regarding James Island.

[0:13:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): Right and I was going to arise that in the minutes,

[0:13:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): but I can put it as a new business item if you'd rather.

[0:13:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): whichever you prefer it

[0:13:36] Voice 7: can be minutes yeah

[0:13:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): so business arising from minutes because i don't

[0:13:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): think it got done so why don't we do that anything else from either the trustees that you want to add

[0:13:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay so carly uh hopefully you got all of that didn't you'll speak up otherwise i'll assume you

[0:13:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): did and with that we'll take the uh agenda as amended adopted as amended so um the first item

[0:14:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): item on the agenda is the trustee report. And I'm going to see which you would like to

[0:14:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): a fees report, which one would like to be. I'm okay. Go ahead.

[0:14:15] Voice 7: Okay. It's been a busy month

[0:14:18] Voice 7: for everybody. The Southern Gulf Island Forum met with electronically with Robert Lewis Manning,

[0:14:26] Voice 7: who is the president of the Chamber of Shipping. And the issue was regarding anchorages. And

[0:14:32] Voice 7: And there was quite a lot of discussion.

[0:14:37] Voice 7: There's not a lot of progress to report at the moment, but we did talk about, he talked about that there are other areas that might be suitable for anchorages that would have less impact.

[0:14:51] Voice 7: They're further from the port, which means the transportation of pilots and so on is a little bit extended.

[0:14:59] Voice 7: But also people raised the issue of mooring buoys rather than dragging anchors in Trincomalee in particular.

[0:15:09] Voice 7: And so those are things that are being looked at.

[0:15:14] Voice 7: He did mention, though, that the federal government had no amendments to the Canada Marine Act.

[0:15:22] Voice 7: And so that was a little bit of a surprise to the shipping people.

[0:15:25] Voice 7: Anyway, it was, it was a productive discussion and he certainly took away the concerns that people have been raising on all the islands about the anchorages, the noise, the light, the dragging anchors, etc.

[0:15:38] Voice 7: et cetera. I've also done a number of site visits and many conversations with residents regarding

[0:15:47] Voice 7: the trust policy statement and also just reading massive amounts of submissions on the trust

[0:15:56] Voice 7: policy statement. That's all.

[0:16:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay. Trustee Rock.

[0:16:03] Voice 15: Yeah. So just to update the trust policy

[0:16:06] Voice 15: statement um special trust council meetings coming up on the public input session that's

[0:16:13] Voice 15: on wednesday evening and then with the trust council discussion on thursday um i encourage

[0:16:19] Voice 15: people to educate themselves and read the proposals i will be posting the link on the

[0:16:24] Voice 15: both of our social media pages and it's also available on the islands trust web page

[0:16:29] Voice 15: and i'm going to make myself available anytime in the next three days if you want to call

[0:16:34] Voice 15: or email and chat with me about it thanks so much

[0:16:36] Voice 15: Thank

[0:16:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): you both of you for your work and all you do for Galliano and the trust generally.

[0:16:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I have two things I'd like to just talk about briefly. The first is about

[0:16:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): local trust committee meetings and what we do with the ending of the public health

[0:17:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): emergency declaration from the from the province um i've said and uh and i think it's correct it's

[0:17:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to be um actually more challenging to come out of public health emergency in terms of our

[0:17:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): meeting process than it was to go in and and the reason is because when we went in we really didn't

[0:17:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): have any options i mean we had to figure it out uh we found the technology and we figured it out

[0:17:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we did it and we started this process to allow for continued community engagement with the trust

[0:17:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): with the LTC and indeed the trust general. As we come out of this then we have to figure out

[0:17:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): what it presuming all goes according to the projections. What is this going to look like?

[0:17:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, one option is to simply go back to the way we used to do business or always have done business, which is to have in-person meetings on the islands, etc.

[0:18:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): My sense is, however, that two things.

[0:18:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): One is there are going to be people who will still not be comfortable meeting in person as we move forward.

[0:18:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): And second of all, the technology has now allowed numbers of people to attend that would not otherwise be able to attend in person.

[0:18:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): For example, if you're an applicant and living in Delta, you could attend the meeting without having to get on a ferry and come to the meeting.

[0:18:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): um we we are not quite sure what that's going to look like because at trust council in june

[0:18:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh a proposal to um to set up a hybrid system that would require effectively the hiring of

[0:18:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): another person uh was voted down um and mostly about the fact of putting another staff person

[0:19:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): on not because people didn't want some form of hybrid meeting meeting but how we administer it

[0:19:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): is going to be challenging um and so that hasn't yet been figured out uh and uh just so everybody

[0:19:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): knows but we're working on it as we try and look at when we're coming out of the pandemic and how

[0:19:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): we can both if there's a way we can both broadcast meetings and allow people to participate that way

[0:19:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and also to um and to also do in-person uh meetings so people can come and and participate

[0:19:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): as they have are used to doing and I we've had a lot of feedback that people feel that

[0:19:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): that meetings in person are are more effective in a better way for people to understand the

[0:19:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): issues that are facing the trust or our local trust committee and so we're we're working on

[0:19:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): on that process uh and it's but it's not a simple fix because we have uh we have uh locations that

[0:19:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): have better wi-fi than other locations we have we don't the technology has to be bought and

[0:20:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): installed and someone has to operate it etc not like as a municipal council that has one meeting

[0:20:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): hall that they need to put the the uh the technology into and then everybody can come

[0:20:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): to that meeting hall and you always have the technology available it's it's much more common

[0:20:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i i just wanted to say that to the people on galeano uh the folks in galeano is to we're

[0:20:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): working on that but it'd be interesting to and i've heard people say they should be you know

[0:20:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): know, they prefer in-person meetings and that's fine. But I'm guessing there's folks out there.

[0:20:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): And if you have a point of view about that, don't hesitate to write us and tell us that as we go

[0:20:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): forward and trying to figure out what that technology might look like. The other thing I

[0:20:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): wanted to say was about the trust policy statement, and you've heard both trustees talk about it

[0:20:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): briefly. There has been a lot of chatter and a lot of communication and a lot of it, a lot of

[0:21:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): of emails and a discussion about the trust policy statement.

[0:21:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just want to make sure everybody understands

[0:21:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): exactly where we're at in the renewal

[0:21:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): of a trust policy statement

[0:21:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): that has not been updated since 1994.

[0:21:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): This trust council committed early in its term

[0:21:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): carrying on the work from last trust council

[0:21:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): to do an update of the trust policy statement.

[0:21:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): and uh we engage we committed some resources and did some of what i would call what i would call

[0:21:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): general public engagement asking people for their point of view about what they think the trust

[0:21:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): should focus on what it's what it's do the trustees work very diligently on the various

[0:21:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): areas and we came down to focusing on updating three in three areas one was climate change the

[0:21:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): second was was reconciliation and indigenous rights and the third was healthy communities

[0:21:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): and particularly housing issues.

[0:22:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): All of those were voted upon by trust council

[0:22:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): as being the focus.

[0:22:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): They're all in our strategic plan

[0:22:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): and they're all work that we have directly done.

[0:22:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): We did a, what we heard document,

[0:22:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): we did more community engagement

[0:22:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then the work of drafting

[0:22:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): what a new trust policy statement would look like

[0:22:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): was undertaken correctly by staff.

[0:22:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that draft has now been released

[0:22:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we have a meeting schedule that was released about two months ago, two and a half months ago, and it's been through a couple of committees. It's been to Trust Council in June, and at least the first draft was. And then it's been back to Trust Programs Committee and made available, of course, through that process to everyone in the public.

[0:22:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): it um so i you know in some ways it feels like this process from internal has been going on for

[0:23:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): two and a half years i understand that that people a number of people in the various community island

[0:23:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): communities and there's quite a few now say that this is news to them uh clearly we didn't engage

[0:23:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): a large portion of the uh of the population of the various islands and we had committed to and

[0:23:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): are committed to a much another robust and prolonged engagement period whatever happens

[0:23:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): on July that we understand that even if this document is given first reading it's subject

[0:23:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): to change and it's already been amended a number of times since the draft was was introduced so

[0:23:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): So this is not either a secretive or an unknown process that we're going through.

[0:23:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's very much a process that's similar to what you might see at any level of government

[0:23:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): as they try and make substantive amendments or updates to a particular policy or a particular

[0:24:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): bylaw.

[0:24:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): I should also point out that, of course, the trust policy statement is the overriding document

[0:24:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the trust as a whole, but it's local trust committees that decide when and when, how

[0:24:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): how to amend their OCPs and their land use bylaws.

[0:24:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): The trust council cannot do that.

[0:24:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): They can just set the terms

[0:24:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): under which something gets met.

[0:24:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): Having said that, we're looking forward to a lot of comment.

[0:24:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): We've had a lot of comment that's thoughtful,

[0:24:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): that looks at the issues,

[0:24:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): that considers all of those issues

[0:24:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): and makes a point that there's a flaw in the document

[0:24:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): that needs to be amended and looked like.

[0:24:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): Got it.

[0:24:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): See it, hear it.

[0:24:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): it. We'll talk about it. Got it. And we'll look forward to hearing more of it. But there's been

[0:24:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): a lot of commentary that has been directed at some agenda. And the only agenda is the updates

[0:24:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): that I've told you about, is that we feel we need to address the climate change issues better than

[0:24:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): we have and the related issues related to ecosystems and ecosystem protections. We need

[0:25:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): to address the issues of Indigenous rights and reconciliation. And we feel we need to put

[0:25:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): put policies in place that could assist

[0:25:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): with the development of communities and housing issues

[0:25:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): and equity around housing issues

[0:25:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): is where the land use planning organization.

[0:25:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): We look forward to hearing from you, but it does not,

[0:25:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you hear or are engaged in statements

[0:25:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): that are attacking staff or are engaged in hyperbole,

[0:25:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): just know that this has been a thoughtful process

[0:25:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): up to this time.

[0:25:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): We understand that a number of people,

[0:25:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): a large number of people now feel that they are that we've got their attention and they're going

[0:25:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): to engage and hear from them and we look forward to their reasonable and um and respectful and

[0:25:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): thoughtful comments uh as we as we roll this out whatever happens on thursday so um whether

[0:25:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): given first reading or or not it's the same effectively the same process is going to roll

[0:26:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): out actually i don't know if that's true but there's going to be an engagement process in

[0:26:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): one um so i wanted to say those two things there's obviously lots more happening in the trust but

[0:26:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's the one that seems to have captured uh the attention of a lot of uh of people and and

[0:26:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh and and engendered some distrust and some uh some anger so uh i've addressed both of those so

[0:26:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's the end of my chair's report so with that i'm going to turn to item five on the agenda

[0:26:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh which is the town hall uh and and ask so you know we we have this somewhat tricky situation i

[0:26:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): recognize some names here um of people who um uh occasionally address us related to one of the two

[0:26:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): affordable housing projects so and of course our trustees have one or the other has to recuse

[0:27:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): themselves when we have those addresses so what i'm going to ask is we now have the town hall

[0:27:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): and questions uh and we welcome your input uh so what i would ask is the folks that want to talk

[0:27:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): about um something other than uh the uh the either of the affordable housing projects that uh you put

[0:27:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): up your hand now and um if you as you do so then we'll i'll call upon you i'll make it available

[0:27:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): available for you to speak to the trustees.

[0:27:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): And if you wish to turn your cameras on

[0:27:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then we'll come to the other two

[0:27:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): to see if there's anybody who wishes to speak,

[0:27:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): even though they're not on our agenda,

[0:27:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): you can address it if you wish.

[0:27:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): So items that are not related to either the Diggers

[0:27:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the galley agenda, I will open the floor

[0:28:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the first person I see is,

[0:28:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I remind you of the comments made by Trustee Wolverton

[0:28:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): as we head into this discussion

[0:28:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): that she made at the outset about respectful dialogue.

[0:28:13] Voice 9: Colleen Doty.

[0:28:26] Voice 1: All right, hello, can anyone hear me?

[0:28:29] Voice 20: Absolutely, can't

[0:28:30] Voice 20: see you, but we can hear you.

[0:28:31] Voice 20: You're welcome to turn on your camera if you wish,

[0:28:33] Voice 20: you don't have to.

[0:28:34] Voice 1: All right, well, I'm happy to proceed as is.

[0:28:36] Voice 1: I want to offer the following comments in relation to the ongoing work on the trust policy statement.

[0:28:43] Voice 1: The Islands Trust has done a commendable job of carrying out the original mandate set out in 1974.

[0:28:50] Voice 1: At that time, the biggest community concerns in the Gulf Islands were commercial logging, large housing subdivisions and uncontrolled population growth.

[0:28:59] Voice 1: growth. Nearly 50 years have passed and today we find ourselves facing new but no less challenging

[0:29:05] Voice 1: pressures when it comes to preserving and protecting this unique bioregion we call home

[0:29:10] Voice 1: and that First Nations have called home for thousands of years. Preserving and protecting

[0:29:16] Voice 1: for the benefit of the residents of the trust means that we are required to be just as innovative

[0:29:21] Voice 1: as those people who dreamed up the trust in 1974 to now reaffirm and reimagine how the mandate is

[0:29:29] Voice 1: executed given the realities of our world in 2021 and the coming decades. I urge you to continue

[0:29:36] Voice 1: your work in addressing all of the major issues facing us as communities of the trust area and

[0:29:43] Voice 1: this includes the climate emergency, biodiversity loss, reconciliation and affordable and workforce

[0:29:51] Voice 1: housing. It is my sense that the three of you acknowledge and understand the interconnectedness

[0:29:57] Voice 1: of the social justice issues before.

[0:30:00] Voice 1: us and the ones that are being considered right now, climate, reconciliation, and the housing

[0:30:06] Voice 1: crisis. And I want to offer my support of that work. Thank you.

[0:30:13] Voice 22: Thank you for that, Ms. Doty.

[0:30:18] Voice 22: Jennifer Margerson.

[0:30:25] Voice 4: Hello. Can you hear me? I can.

[0:30:27] Voice 4: I just had a really quick process question

[0:30:30] Voice 4: just relating to the agenda. And because I'm not clear on this, I wondered if you could just

[0:30:36] Voice 4: answer I can try

[0:30:37] Voice 4: can nothing pertaining to either of the housing applications was on the agenda but

[0:30:46] Voice 4: is now is I'm just never clear about how things get added to the agenda especially when they're

[0:30:54] Voice 4: actual applications well

[0:30:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): what we do is the application comes forward well first of all

[0:31:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'd say that the two items that were added are different in nature the first one was added

[0:31:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): because there was a motion from the last local trust committee to defer it to this meeting and

[0:31:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): it simply got missed so as we were reviewing the minutes we saw that there had been a decision to

[0:31:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): discuss that item the other item issue is is that trustees can add items to the agenda

[0:31:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): and pretty much at the beginning of the meeting

[0:31:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): as you know, at their discretion,

[0:31:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): if they feel that there needs to be a discussion about it,

[0:31:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know what trustee Rockefeller's item is

[0:31:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): that she wishes to discuss,

[0:31:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): but I guess we'll find out when we get to it.

[0:31:45] Voice 4: Okay, that's fine.

[0:31:46] Voice 4: It was just for my own understanding.

[0:31:48] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:31:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, no, fair enough.

[0:31:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes, Joanne Randall.

[0:31:58] Voice 5: Hello. Hi.

[0:32:00] Voice 5: I'm assuming you can hear me great.

[0:32:01] Voice 5: uh i i do want to mention housing but not either specific uh uh society and this is mostly for

[0:32:12] Voice 5: chair rogers benefit because uh our local trustees will have seen what's going on in the community

[0:32:18] Voice 5: but last month uh or two months ago uh an individual community member came forward saying

[0:32:25] Voice 5: that she wanted to sell a bunch of her personal possessions and have the money go to affordable

[0:32:30] Voice 5: housing. There have been a few people in the community come forward to do that. And this

[0:32:35] Voice 5: particular one turned into quite a huge fundraising spree that went to place over one weekend and

[0:32:42] Voice 5: raised $16,000 in three days. And so we've decided to repeat it. And we just finished another one

[0:32:49] Voice 5: this weekend that brought in a little over $5,000. We're going to continue with that all year. And I

[0:32:55] Voice 5: I just wanted to let you know that, to know about it,

[0:32:58] Voice 5: because I think it shows a tremendous amount of support

[0:33:02] Voice 5: for both projects as they go forward.

[0:33:06] Voice 5: So that's one thing.

[0:33:08] Voice 5: The other thing is, has more maybe to do

[0:33:12] Voice 5: with the Islands Trust Policy Statement,

[0:33:14] Voice 5: and I'm happy to speak there as well.

[0:33:17] Voice 5: But we all know we're in a huge global climate crisis.

[0:33:22] Voice 5: crisis. And as with the pandemic, we're all in it together. There's no one on this planet

[0:33:29] Voice 5: who will not be affected in one way or another by climate change. And I think it's really important

[0:33:35] Voice 5: that we recognize that as with the pandemic, we need to share the burden of that and not ask those

[0:33:41] Voice 5: who are already struggling to make ends meet, to shoulder it for us. I don't know how many of you

[0:33:49] Voice 5: tuned into Greta Thunberg's speech at the fifth Austrian World Summit climate conference this

[0:33:55] Voice 5: past weekend. It's one of the biggest environmental climate summits in the world. And their

[0:34:02] Voice 5: agenda this time was, or their theme this time, was healthy planet, healthy people.

[0:34:10] Voice 5: And Greta Thunberg says, the distant zero emissions targets could be a great start if

[0:34:16] Voice 5: if they weren't full of gaps and loopholes,

[0:34:18] Voice 5: and then goes on to saying that one of those

[0:34:20] Voice 5: is ignoring the crucial aspect of equity.

[0:34:23] Voice 5: And I just like to point out that I absolutely agree

[0:34:28] Voice 5: with the way that you three are moving

[0:34:31] Voice 5: with the trust policy statement.

[0:34:33] Voice 5: As Greta Thunberg acknowledges,

[0:34:36] Voice 5: equity is an essential part of solving the climate crisis.

[0:34:41] Voice 5: So I'd like to commend you as well

[0:34:44] Voice 5: for following through with these initiatives.

[0:34:47] Voice 5: And thank you very much.

[0:34:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you, Ms. Randall.

[0:34:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): The next person is Tito.

[0:34:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'm sorry, it says MN, so I don't know who that is.

[0:34:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'll just go with Tito.

[0:35:00] Voice 2: Martin.

[0:35:00] Voice 2: I can give a full introduction to myself.

[0:35:03] Voice 2: My name is Tito. Whatever, it's fine.

[0:35:05] Voice 2: My name is Tito Martin-Nempton.

[0:35:07] Voice 2: I work down at the ferry terminal on Sturdy's Bay

[0:35:11] Voice 2: at Maximo Ritz.

[0:35:13] Voice 2: So I want to, I don't get enough time to really join these meetings very often, as I just worked 11 and a half hours across three shifts yesterday.

[0:35:25] Voice 2: So it is an exertion just to be here, but it is important for me to be here, I believe, because of how much the initiatives going forward affects me and my ability to stay long-term on this island.

[0:35:43] Voice 2: At this point, 40% of my earned income goes towards rentals on this island.

[0:35:49] Voice 2: I have to work for the privilege of living on this island.

[0:35:53] Voice 2: but I want to do more than just live by the grace of those who would have me here. I want to be a

[0:36:01] Voice 2: contributing member of this place. I want to just also say that I've really been enjoying

[0:36:09] Voice 2: this aspect of the pandemic that we've been allowing more remote viewing. I believe it has

[0:36:14] Voice 2: made us more accessible. It has certainly made it more accessible for me to be here in the comfort

[0:36:20] Voice 2: of my own home to be part of these meetings.

[0:36:22] Voice 2: I'm very thankful that I've been able to be more involved

[0:36:27] Voice 2: in the community through this.

[0:36:28] Voice 2: And I hope that we do not scrap this as we go forward,

[0:36:32] Voice 2: going towards some aspect of normal.

[0:36:35] Voice 2: Lastly, I would also love to reiterate to you, Jane,

[0:36:40] Voice 2: and Tahira, but also to you, Dan,

[0:36:43] Voice 2: how much I was affected by the presentation of GALI.

[0:36:46] Voice 2: Valley, it was really meaningful to me to see all my favorite Islanders, Dan Hobel,

[0:36:53] Voice 2: and all, and I can't, I'm blanking on the names right now, but all the ones that were

[0:36:59] Voice 2: doing, Carol Gwynn and Lauren, they all mean so much.

[0:37:03] Voice 2: Carol helped me do my taxes for some of my adult life.

[0:37:06] Voice 2: This community means a lot to me.

[0:37:08] Voice 2: And it was wonderful to see them carry on what I feel is a symbol of the discussion

[0:37:16] Voice 2: of affordable housing okay thanks you know

[0:37:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): we have to not go into that application because

[0:37:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustee rockefeller is recused that's

[0:37:24] Voice 2: okay but i thank you for

[0:37:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): recognizing the people that do work

[0:37:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): on the uh on the app

[0:37:30] Voice 2: i also just well i do want to say just in general um that presentations like

[0:37:37] Voice 2: that i feel as though i i feel as though there's never gonna i really do want to see more of that

[0:37:45] Voice 2: going forward but I also recognize at a certain point minds are going to be made up about this

[0:37:50] Voice 2: and the question will just be what is good for the island what will give us a future for the

[0:37:57] Voice 2: next generation which I suppose would be people that look like me who are about my age or younger

[0:38:03] Voice 2: I really hope going forward that priority is there for those who cannot make it like I can

[0:38:09] Voice 2: thank you very much and good luck going forward

[0:38:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah and thanks Tito I appreciate your comments

[0:38:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): because that's my sense is that we've been able to reach people that otherwise couldn't be there

[0:38:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we need to find a way to do that as well as accommodate the people that that want to be there

[0:38:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): in person for whom that works so I've been pushing for what I call a hybrid solution we just haven't

[0:38:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): figured out a way to fund it yet to be honest but it's well up on our agenda to do and by the way

[0:38:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're going to be talking at the very end of this meeting about how we're going to do the next local

[0:38:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): trust unfortunately

[0:38:43] Voice 2: i have to go back to work at 4 p.m so i can't make all of the meeting but i do

[0:38:48] Voice 2: appreciate being here okay

[0:38:50] Voice 2: uh

[0:38:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): is there anybody else that wishes to uh to speak to the local

[0:38:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): trust committee regarding anything uh i see two hands this is not related to either of the two

[0:39:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): applications if it is put your hand down please okay well jennifer again yes

[0:39:15] Voice 4: um thank you um i

[0:39:17] Voice 4: wanted to present some information that has recently come to my attention about

[0:39:24] Voice 4: commercial water licenses and it doesn't pertain to any particular rezoning application it really

[0:39:30] Voice 4: pertains to any application that would be applying for a commercial water license and so i'll just

[0:39:36] Voice 4: I'll just ask you if I can present this

[0:39:39] Voice 4: in this portion of the meeting.

[0:39:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): Interestingly, we probably, well,

[0:39:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): is it generic information about commercial water licenses?

[0:39:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): It is, yes, exactly.

[0:39:53] Voice 4: Yeah, that's exactly

[0:39:55] Voice 4: what it is.

[0:39:56] Voice 4: Yeah, I won't be making reference.

[0:39:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): So it would apply to any commercial operation

[0:39:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): on any island?

[0:40:00] Voice 4: It would, it would.

[0:40:02] Voice 4: Yeah, I won't be making reference to any application.

[0:40:05] Voice 4: So I just wanted to bring this to the attention

[0:40:08] Voice 4: of the trustees who may or may not be aware of this information I certainly was not

[0:40:13] Voice 4: and it concerns something called precedence of rights or first in time first in right it's

[0:40:22] Voice 4: commonly referred to as fit for and it pertains to domestic groundwater users who have deemed

[0:40:29] Voice 4: rights under section 22.8 of the Water Sustainability Act, known as WSA, W-S-A, and it gives priority

[0:40:39] Voice 4: for diversion and use of water from the source, in our case on Galliano aquifers, according

[0:40:47] Voice 4: to the date that water was first used.

[0:40:50] Voice 4: It provides a means supposedly to give seniority rights to water users with the older dates

[0:40:57] Voice 4: to precedence before those who are more junior or in fact newer users and provides the ability

[0:41:05] Voice 4: for the province to invoke temporary protection orders to curtail water use beginning with those

[0:41:12] Voice 4: most junior users on a water source. Now we have learned directly from the water authorization

[0:41:21] Voice 4: people and they have stated this in writing that fit for is challenging so this is the first in

[0:41:30] Voice 4: time first in right since there are variables that can influence water availability such as

[0:41:37] Voice 4: the adequacy and maintenance status of any property owner's particular works and pumping

[0:41:43] Voice 4: interference from other neighboring wells and they've stated in response to questions put to

[0:41:49] Voice 4: them and i'm quoting here from the water authorization people the ministry people

[0:41:56] Voice 4: the onus of the burden of proof is borne by the person whose well is claimed to be dry so this

[0:42:02] Voice 4: would be the senior user this would typically need to be accompanied by a consulting professionals

[0:42:08] Voice 4: report that can clearly demonstrate that the reason for a dry well was due to pumping from

[0:42:15] Voice 4: from a specific neighboring well.

[0:42:18] Voice 4: And they go on to say that this is why they use

[0:42:21] Voice 4: a precautionary approach in their analysis.

[0:42:24] Voice 4: But further to that, they state that since deemed rights

[0:42:28] Voice 4: are considered from the date of first use of water,

[0:42:32] Voice 4: if groundwater is not yet being used on these lots,

[0:42:37] Voice 4: then no deemed rights exist.

[0:42:40] Voice 4: So just to put that into perhaps

[0:42:44] Voice 4: a little more normal wording it means that if if someone has a property that they've had for some

[0:42:51] Voice 4: time with a well but they have not uh used that well they would actually not have any first in

[0:43:00] Voice 4: time first in right protection um according to the water sustainability act um because they have not

[0:43:10] Voice 4: use their well so a commercial water license that was granted well after they purchased their

[0:43:16] Voice 4: property um there would be they would not be protected in in any way whatsoever um and i just

[0:43:25] Voice 4: want to add that further to that we've also learned that there is no right of appeal once a

[0:43:31] Voice 4: commercial water license is is issued so i that's really uh the information i wanted to bring to

[0:43:39] Voice 4: to your attention because the Water Sustainability Act

[0:43:42] Voice 4: was only approved as I understand it in 2016.

[0:43:47] Voice 4: So a lot of this information is quite untested

[0:43:52] Voice 4: and unknown in fact.

[0:43:55] Voice 4: And I think this is important for anyone on Galliano

[0:43:59] Voice 4: who may actually be looking at an adjoining property,

[0:44:05] Voice 4: applying for a commercial water license

[0:44:07] Voice 4: to know so

[0:44:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): let me let me just finish that that we that the trust has done a fair amount of work

[0:44:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): on this and spent a lot of information around what you're talking about and it's the whole

[0:44:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): process is set up to encourage two things one is to require commercial water license but second

[0:44:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): forget people who register their wells because if they don't register their wells it's possible

[0:44:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): they could learn their lose their first and try first and right section and so there's this is

[0:44:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): is an ongoing attempt by the province to try and get a handle on the licensing and registration

[0:44:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): of wells so that they can keep track of them all. And that's the reason for all of that. So thank

[0:44:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): you for the, and there's quite a bit, if you actually talk to William Shulbaugh, he did a

[0:44:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): fair amount of, he can send you, he did a fair amount of analysis of that. And it's not just

[0:44:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): on Galliano, it's on, it's all across the province.

[0:45:01] Voice 4: Yes, yes. I'd just like to say though,

[0:45:04] Voice 4: that registering your well doesn't offer you any protection if you have not in fact used your well

[0:45:10] Voice 4: so in the case of properties that you know where the the plan is to perhaps build a home on that

[0:45:17] Voice 4: property if they have actually registered their well but never used that well they will not be

[0:45:22] Voice 4: protected and and the the ministry staff are very clear that even for people who've registered their

[0:45:29] Voice 4: well the enforcement is very problematic okay

[0:45:33] Voice 20: so thank you for the information uh that's good

[0:45:36] Voice 20: information for the property owners i'm

[0:45:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to move on now jennifer if that's okay yep absolutely

[0:45:40] Voice 12: thank you uh

[0:45:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): miss dodie okay

[0:45:47] Voice 1: yeah thank you um yes i wanted to offer my support dan um for your

[0:45:52] Voice 1: push for a hybrid model for meetings um i think it is very important to have um an online remote

[0:46:00] Voice 1: remote meeting potential, I've seen and witnessed

[0:46:04] Voice 1: since we've had the online meetings

[0:46:06] Voice 1: that they are more reflective of diversity in our community.

[0:46:10] Voice 1: We're hearing more voices and more representation

[0:46:14] Voice 1: from people who otherwise were not able to attend in person.

[0:46:19] Voice 1: So I wanted to thank you for that, Dan.

[0:46:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, no, and thank you.

[0:46:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): And as I said, I hope we figure it out soon.

[0:46:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think we've got a couple of interim steps.

[0:46:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's not every local trust committee that wants to do it this way, but I'm pretty sure this one does.

[0:46:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, oh, going right.

[0:46:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Hi,

[0:46:45] Voice 5: I'd just like to add to that last point as well, that I think it provides a much more environmentally conscious option to be able to phone in instead of always traveling.

[0:46:56] Voice 5: not only for the the community but for the trustees because i know that that there's a

[0:47:05] Voice 5: lot of travel involved at the trust and not only the the cost of the gas but of course the cost

[0:47:12] Voice 5: the environmental cost so again right more enforcement for that thank you

[0:47:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah thanks and

[0:47:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): my intention would be to always travel if there's going to be an in-person meeting um if i can't i

[0:47:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): that would give me an option but what it does do is it allows us to bring staff and resources in

[0:47:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): electronically without bringing them in in person so when we have a meeting where we want to have

[0:47:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): william schulbe or or or whoever it might be that comes in to talk to us um or nurse nurse chadwick

[0:47:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): is in addition we don't have to bring everybody to the island we would have a way to be able to

[0:47:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): have to gather those resources as you've seen in a couple of the cims we've done uh over the over

[0:47:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): the last year and i appreciate that they're not that some people think they're not you know

[0:47:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): adequate uh that that they don't but but they do allow us to bring uh resources in without having

[0:48:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): people having a trial so thank you for that well i'm going to move on now i don't see any more

[0:48:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): hands generically uh so i'm going to just ask joanne can you put your hand down it does anybody

[0:48:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): wish to speak to the uh to the giggers matter even though other than tangentially it's not it's on

[0:48:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): on our agenda, does anybody wish to speak to that

[0:48:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): other than the applicant?

[0:48:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so I'm going to ask Jane to step down for a moment

[0:48:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): and how do we get back, does someone just text you?

[0:48:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): You'll just text her trustee Rockefeller?

[0:48:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, just give us a second, Jennifer.

[0:48:39] Voice 9: Okay,

[0:48:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Jane's reduced herself, Ms. Markeson over to you.

[0:48:46] Voice 4: Yeah, I just wanted to ask if you have any more information

[0:48:51] Voice 4: on our neighbourhood's request

[0:48:53] Voice 4: request for an independent wildfire risk assessment of the heritage forest by a professional forester

[0:49:00] Voice 4: as is recommended in the 2009 community wildfire protection plan as you mentioned earlier in the

[0:49:08] Voice 4: meeting wildfire is very much on everyone's minds i i think right now on galliano and elsewhere

[0:49:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): so it this is a process uh and one of the steps in that process right now in fact i was talking to

[0:49:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): the planner smith and he wishes to join us he's welcome to do that uh i was speaking to him about

[0:49:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): that exact issue uh this morning um because we have a uh a extensive series of uh questions

[0:49:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): questions uh that have gone out to the to the the fire people on galliano uh to ask them for their

[0:49:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the answers to those questions and at least as of this morning i don't believe we have that

[0:49:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): report so that's still a work in progress is that correct planners man yes

[0:49:57] Voice 13: thank you chair rogers so

[0:49:58] Voice 13: in follow-up to the concerns of the residents and the letters that we've received i've been doing

[0:50:04] Voice 13: further work with the fire chief in the south island fire hall uh to uh uh further clarify

[0:50:11] Voice 13: a bunch of process uh questions related to uh fire risk assessment uh fire fire response and

[0:50:19] Voice 13: the particulars of that particular location with respect to fire infrastructure uh the fire chief

[0:50:25] Voice 13: mr sugden is working on it but it's a big ask and obviously he'd be busy right now so once that

[0:50:31] Voice 13: is received back from him that will be provided to LTC and made publicly available for everyone

[0:50:37] Voice 13: to then have further dialogue with respect to the concerns being raised.

[0:50:43] Voice 13: So

[0:50:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's the status.

[0:50:50] Voice 4: Basically, that it's just resting with the fire chief at this point in time, is that?

[0:50:56] Voice 13: It's resting with staff who are continuing to collect further information with respect

[0:51:03] Voice 13: back to the referral to the fire department to provide more information for the local trust

[0:51:09] Voice 13: committee to support their decision making.

[0:51:14] Voice 4: Okay, I guess it doesn't exactly speak to my

[0:51:17] Voice 4: question about a risk assessment by... So

[0:51:21] Voice 13: we're still reviewing that request.

[0:51:25] Voice 4: Okay, thank you.

[0:51:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay. Anybody else on the relation to Giggers? Because if not, I'll bring Jane back and

[0:51:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh i don't see anybody else does anybody wish to ask a question or make a comment regarding

[0:51:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the galley application

[0:51:42] Voice 9: other

[0:51:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): than the applicant uh yes calling okay so let calling

[0:51:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): let us just reorganize for a second then uh let's get if we as soon as jane's back and and uh

[0:51:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): the era has gone we'll get let you uh speak

[0:52:00] Voice 9: these of course are the

[0:52:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): challenges of the meetings

[0:52:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): meetings is getting people.

[0:52:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Who would have thought that people recusing stuff

[0:52:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): would be the challenge of it?

[0:52:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, there's Jay, Trustee Wolverton

[0:52:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): and Trustee Rockefeller, we'll get back to you in a second

[0:52:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): and over to you, Ms. Doty.

[0:52:37] Voice 1: Okay, well, hello, can you hear me okay?

[0:52:41] Voice 20: Yeah.

[0:52:43] Voice 1: Okay, right, so with respect

[0:52:46] Voice 1: to the Galliano Green application or GALI,

[0:52:48] Voice 1: I wanted to encourage and urge the trustees

[0:52:52] Voice 1: to move forward and schedule a community information meeting

[0:52:55] Voice 1: as soon as possible.

[0:52:57] Voice 1: Time of course is ticking and I know we are all aware

[0:53:00] Voice 1: that the mandate on this term is running out

[0:53:04] Voice 1: and it was a mandate that Trustee Wolverton ran on,

[0:53:07] Voice 1: partly a platform of affordable housing.

[0:53:10] Voice 1: So I encourage the community information meeting

[0:53:13] Voice 1: to be scheduled as soon as possible

[0:53:16] Voice 1: so we can move the process forward.

[0:53:18] Voice 1: Thank you very much.

[0:53:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay thank you and of course when we get to the item that's we've now added the agenda i thought

[0:53:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): i saw mr hubble here i'm not sure he's still here uh we'll invite we'll invite him to join us

[0:53:33] Voice 9: he's

[0:53:34] Voice 9: here

[0:53:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes he is there he is um anybody else wish to oh i've got a hand up access to media whoever

[0:53:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): that is could you please identify yourself

[0:53:42] Voice 18: deblica yes my name is deblica sorry i guess i can't

[0:53:49] Voice 18: access the thing to change my name so it's fine

[0:53:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just i didn't recognize it was new to me yes

[0:53:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): over to you i

[0:53:56] Voice 18: i just really just wanted to to uh buck the nimby trend and just just note that

[0:54:01] Voice 18: there's a lot of neighbors uh who live very close to the um proposed galley uh project that are

[0:54:09] Voice 18: heartily supportive of it and and feel it is our civic duty and our duty to an equity lens to

[0:54:16] Voice 18: to share the water in this region.

[0:54:20] Voice 18: So, because I know that's been expressed

[0:54:23] Voice 18: as a concern for some, but I just,

[0:54:24] Voice 18: I really just want it to be known

[0:54:26] Voice 18: that there are many, many neighbors

[0:54:28] Voice 18: who are fully, fully in support of this project

[0:54:31] Voice 18: and seeing it move forward as soon as possible.

[0:54:33] Voice 20: Okay, thank you for that.

[0:54:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't see any more hands on either of those items

[0:54:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we've already done the generic questions.

[0:54:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I think I'm going to close this portion

[0:54:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the Town Hall.

[0:54:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're going to bring Trustee Rockefeller back.

[0:54:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): Are you going to text her?

[0:54:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): I did.

[0:54:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[0:54:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): And as soon as she's back, we'll move into the agenda,

[0:54:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is we'll start with, just for those following along,

[0:55:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): we'll be moving to item eight of the agenda.

[0:55:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): And there she is.

[0:55:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[0:55:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): So let me just get my agenda package back up.

[0:55:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're at page three of the agenda,

[0:55:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): which are the minutes of the regular meeting

[0:55:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): of June the 1st.

[0:55:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustees, do you have any comments related

[0:55:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): or changes to those?

[0:55:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Neither of you?

[0:55:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): I have a question.

[0:55:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just, I was at page seven of the package.

[0:55:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): Halfway down under 13.1, under hot second bullet,

[0:55:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you're with me, Carly, and maybe Brad,

[0:56:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): it says staff recommends having a secondary voluntary and i think that should read second

[0:56:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): voluntary agreement am i right or am i wrong or should it be a secondary one

[0:56:14] Voice 13: they may know

[0:56:16] Voice 13: second wouldn't make sense because we don't have a first so i think it means secondary

[0:56:22] Voice 13: to your decision okay that's fine i think that's what it was meaning to refer to anyways i think

[0:56:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): it'll whatever it is it'll it'll be okay it'll reflect appropriately as we go along um so uh

[0:56:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): did we add james island until later uh or uh because that's where this motion was um which

[0:56:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): was the anyway let's if there's no other changes to the minutes we can deal with it under the

[0:56:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): the follow-up action list,

[0:56:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): but are there any other changes to the minutes?

[0:57:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): None that I saw from either use of the bill.

[0:57:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Don't thought the minutes is presented.

[0:57:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): But my question was, there is a motion on page 13

[0:57:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): or page of the package and page 11 of the minutes

[0:57:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): about writing a letter of support

[0:57:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): regarding to James Island subdivision

[0:57:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the North tender LTC.

[0:57:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): see and somehow that's gotten missed and and i wanted to just get if anybody can recall i didn't

[0:57:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): go back and watch the recording uh i'm pretty clear that that it wasn't the the staff's

[0:57:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): responsibility to draft that letter i'm not sure whose it was um if it was mine i apologize i

[0:57:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): admit i didn't because i didn't do it and i did but i somehow in my head thought it was somebody

[0:57:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): else that had said they'd do a first draft uh they may remember i

[0:57:54] Voice 15: think it was yours

[0:57:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): do you think it was mine i

[0:57:58] Voice 15: think it was jane i think it was jane then it was going to get

[0:58:01] Voice 15: sent to dan that's what i remember that's

[0:58:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): what i recall but i don't care initiative

[0:58:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): well that's what i sort of thought because you'd gone to the meeting um that we'd get a draft but

[0:58:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's do it okay um so if you can draft something and send it to me for my review then we can get

[0:58:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): it out the door through the new process of the trust regarding letters at the door so if you

[0:58:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): can do that jane and it doesn't have to be long just say we support the north pen because there's

[0:58:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): and there's a sample letter from the sanitary council that supports them as well that it's

[0:58:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): very simple just as we support it and it goes off and there's a list of people who go okay

[0:58:39] Voice 7: okay my apologies that's

[0:58:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): fine as i said i i read the minutes and i thought oh is that supposed to

[0:58:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): be mine we should always put in the minutes whose job it's supposed to be so um if you could do that

[0:58:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): carly you could say like reaffirm the letter of about jane will draft um then we'll finally

[0:59:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay um anything from staff from uh from trustees related to the follow-up

[0:59:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): action list that's presented at pages 14 to 16 i didn't see anything either so we'll just take that

[0:59:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): as as uh information uh just for those following along that's just a list of all of the actions

[0:59:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): that are reflected in the um now i have a break here but i think we should just keep going so

[0:59:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): so let's go to the first of the applications and i think this is um uh planner smith the

[0:59:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): the Gavreau matter, which application,

[0:59:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): which starts at page 17.

[0:59:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I think Ms. Gavreau is with us, if I'm not mistaken.

[0:59:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes.

[0:59:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): So you can, Ms. Gavreau, you're welcome to join us.

[0:59:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): And if you can promote Lisa and then.

[1:00:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): When we've had the staff report,

[1:00:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): we'll invite Ms. Gavreau to make any comments

[1:00:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): that she might wish to make on the actual staff report

[1:00:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): and a way forward.

[1:00:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): So over to you, Planner Smith.

[1:00:15] Voice 13: Thank you, Chair Rogers.

[1:00:17] Voice 13: So this is bringing back Lisa Gavreau's application

[1:00:20] Voice 13: for the rezoning of her currently zoned residential property

[1:00:25] Voice 13: in the heart of town there

[1:00:27] Voice 13: and seeking rezoning to a commercial one zone to allow for the development of her restaurant

[1:00:34] Voice 13: so back in february ltc directed or in march sorry um so in february ltc directed staff to

[1:00:46] Voice 13: schedule a public hearing in march uh the um directed staff to sorry they didn't direct

[1:00:54] Voice 13: staff to host a public hearing, they directed staff to waive a public hearing in March due to

[1:01:01] Voice 13: the introduction of COVID and so there were two outstanding issues with the application

[1:01:10] Voice 13: before staff were directed to move forward with completing the notifications for that

[1:01:17] Voice 13: waiving of the public hearing. One was demonstrating proof of water so the original

[1:01:22] Voice 13: application as you recall was uh uh with uh seeking a an easement with the adjacent neighbor's

[1:01:31] Voice 13: well for access to uh potable water and that agreement subsequently fell apart and so miss

[1:01:38] Voice 13: gavro then has done a bunch of work to redrill the well on her property and do a bunch of upgrades

[1:01:45] Voice 13: and well testing to demonstrate proof of water and the other key piece that was outstanding with

[1:01:51] Voice 13: respect to the application was driveway access and so ensuring that the minimum width of her driveway

[1:02:01] Voice 13: would meet building permit and other standards with respect to highway access permits with the

[1:02:08] Voice 13: Ministry of Transportation. So those two outstanding issues Lisa has been working diligently to address

[1:02:15] Voice 13: and the staff report describes what has been done

[1:02:20] Voice 13: to address those issues.

[1:02:23] Voice 13: And we are now at a point where with COVID wrapping up

[1:02:27] Voice 13: and seeking some direction on how to move forward,

[1:02:32] Voice 13: staff in the report are recommending

[1:02:34] Voice 13: that you rescind that previous resolution

[1:02:36] Voice 13: and undertake a public hearing

[1:02:41] Voice 13: as a good public policy to do so, but there are some extenuating circumstances in this case

[1:02:49] Voice 13: where consideration of continuing to waive the public hearing could be done, but it wouldn't

[1:02:55] Voice 13: save that much time with respect to getting it across the line to final approval. So I think

[1:03:04] Voice 13: I'll just leave it there and leave it with LTC

[1:03:07] Voice 13: to direct any questions towards staff, thanks.

[1:03:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so before we go to the applicant,

[1:03:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'd like to see if trustees have any questions

[1:03:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): for planners.

[1:03:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): Nothing from you, Trustee Rocktower, Trustee Wolverton.

[1:03:23] Voice 7: And just maybe a question,

[1:03:26] Voice 7: or the questions for the planner.

[1:03:30] Voice 7: Just, can you kind of outline the steps of two streams?

[1:03:34] Voice 7: One, if we continued on with the waiving of the public hearing, what would the next steps look like?

[1:03:44] Voice 7: And then if we didn't.

[1:03:46] Voice 13: And I muddled the beginning there a little bit.

[1:03:48] Voice 13: You did direct staff to undertake a public hearing and CIM in February and then COVID came along and you redirected staff in May to rescind the public hearing.

[1:04:00] Voice 13: So I knew I didn't have that quite right in my head as I spoke through it.

[1:04:03] Voice 13: with respect to where we are at now so next steps if you were to hold the public hearing

[1:04:13] Voice 13: you would need to undertake the statutory notifications to do so and prepare the binder

[1:04:19] Voice 13: and all the materials with respect to the application and you would also need to complete

[1:04:24] Voice 13: an active page ad as per your standing resolution with respect to public hearings

[1:04:29] Voice 13: staff could pull all that together potentially for september 5th but it would be a lot of

[1:04:34] Voice 13: work to do so especially with kind of limited timelines and holidays and such coming up

[1:04:41] Voice 13: uh on and the other option with respect to uh if you continue to waive the public hearing which is

[1:04:49] Voice 13: allowed in the local government act in these cases where the ocp is consistent with the

[1:04:55] Voice 13: rezoning proposal. So the OCP, the Galliano Island OCP, in this case, that particular property is

[1:05:02] Voice 13: designated as commercial and it's zoned as residential. So moving it into a commercial

[1:05:08] Voice 13: zoning would be consistent with your OCP. And so that's where that statute allows.

[1:05:15] Voice 13: You do need to give third reading in a public meeting as opposed to RWM. So you couldn't fast

[1:05:22] Voice 13: track it through rwm if you um so what if you waive the public hearing staff uh would uh prepare

[1:05:30] Voice 13: the statutory notifications for september 5th and you would uh need to consider then

[1:05:38] Voice 13: third reading at that meeting with the statutory notifications for waiving a public hearing

[1:05:43] Voice 13: complete which uh the statutory notifications essentially require that notice be given between

[1:05:49] Voice 13: three and ten days before LTC considers third reading so staff would uh stagger the the notice

[1:05:57] Voice 13: to late August and so there's really only uh um some time and work savings and I guess it gives

[1:06:06] Voice 13: if you're waiving the public hearing it signals I guess some uh increased certainty to the applicant

[1:06:12] Voice 13: which I know they are seeking at this time uh given you know the financial and other pressures

[1:06:17] Voice 13: that are upon them with COVID, so waiving the public hearing given the OCP is consistent

[1:06:25] Voice 13: and given at least we haven't heard any dissenting views and no issues, it seems unlikely that

[1:06:33] Voice 13: any new major issues or opposition would be raised at a public hearing anyways, so I think

[1:06:39] Voice 13: staff could be supportive of LTC considering that choice to at least provide the applicant

[1:06:46] Voice 13: into a little bit more certainty and

[1:06:49] Voice 7: and as i understand that this is no longer a restaurant

[1:06:52] Voice 7: but a takeout is that correct

[1:06:54] Voice 13: yes that's correct i should i should have raised that as well she

[1:06:58] Voice 13: has changed her proposal as well from what was proposed to be a 20-seat restaurant and is now

[1:07:03] Voice 13: essentially a takeout space this just learning over covid that that business model can work for

[1:07:10] Voice 13: her and also uh it provides a much more viable residential living space for her and her family

[1:07:17] Voice 13: and um and probably it requires less uh resources as well potentially so it's probably uh and

[1:07:26] Voice 13: certainly less parking spaces so there were lots of reasons for that shift and lisa can speak more

[1:07:33] Voice 13: to that ms cabro can speak more to that yeah and so

[1:07:37] Voice 10: so just so

[1:07:38] Voice 13: yeah and so sorry just to follow up

[1:07:40] Voice 13: finish up on timelines and so after third reading it would still require executive committee approval

[1:07:45] Voice 13: before fourth reading fourth reading could be done by rwm and the next executive committee meeting

[1:07:52] Voice 13: september 20th but it says not intended for bylaws so it might actually be early october before we

[1:07:59] Voice 13: got it on because it's just before an ec meeting i see uh chair rogers uh considering that but

[1:08:07] Voice 13: But in the

[1:08:07] Voice 13: agenda package, it says not intended for bylaws.

[1:08:10] Voice 13: Yeah,

[1:08:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that's because it's the meeting right before trust council.

[1:08:15] Voice 13: So

[1:08:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): we don't generally consider bylaws.

[1:08:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): But we do have a, interestingly, we have an EC immediately after.

[1:08:23] Voice 13: So that's the other thing.

[1:08:26] Voice 13: If you did waive the public hearing, staff could more or less queue up to do those notifications

[1:08:32] Voice 13: and then do third reading and basically have that staff report for an EC decision on September

[1:08:40] Voice 13: 8th agenda with basically a caveat that unless third reading doesn't occur then so that would

[1:08:46] Voice 13: be another reason I guess potentially to simplify things and waive the public care thanks chair

[1:08:52] Voice 13: Rogers yeah

[1:08:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): no problem so before any other questions for the planner you know I think the

[1:08:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): the timeline's relatively clear and the choice we made,

[1:09:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just want to turn to the applicant

[1:09:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): and see if Ms. Graff, before we decide

[1:09:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): how we want to proceed, Ms. Gavreau,

[1:09:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): do you wish to address the local trust committee

[1:09:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): in terms of the staff report?

[1:09:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): You've seen the options that are in front of us.

[1:09:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, there you are, okay.

[1:09:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): Hi,

[1:09:22] Voice 6: I'm there.

[1:09:23] Voice 6: I'm not sure what the photo is about.

[1:09:25] Voice 6: That's a picture of the pump house before.

[1:09:28] Voice 6: I'm not sure why that photo's there.

[1:09:30] Voice 6: I really wish it was a photo of the after

[1:09:32] Voice 6: because it looks quite nice now.

[1:09:35] Voice 6: We

[1:09:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): can't see anything.

[1:09:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): So if it makes you feel any better.

[1:09:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I can't anyway.

[1:09:40] Voice 6: I can see a photo.

[1:09:41] Voice 6: Oh, can you?

[1:09:42] Voice 6: I can't.

[1:09:43] Voice 6: Yeah, that's the team getting ready

[1:09:45] Voice 6: to move the pump house there

[1:09:46] Voice 6: before we deepen the well.

[1:09:48] Voice 6: I just want to thank everybody

[1:09:50] Voice 6: for your time on my application.

[1:09:52] Voice 6: When I first put this application in,

[1:09:55] Voice 6: I knew very little about the trust processes.

[1:09:57] Voice 6: processes and it's it's for me it's been it's been a wonderful just to see how how it all works and

[1:10:05] Voice 6: gain some understanding improve my own learning curve and how how the islands trust works on

[1:10:11] Voice 6: galliano so thank you for that um i'm hopeful that with these last reports that i put in that

[1:10:17] Voice 6: that everything is in order um obviously quite motivated to move babes into its new home i have

[1:10:24] Voice 6: I have a contractor and an architect

[1:10:27] Voice 6: and we're ready to proceed if the rezoning is successful.

[1:10:31] Voice 6: Obviously COVID has had quite an impact

[1:10:33] Voice 6: on the businesses on Galliano,

[1:10:36] Voice 6: definitely through a wrench into the original plan

[1:10:39] Voice 6: that I had.

[1:10:40] Voice 6: So I've had to rejig quite a bit as we go.

[1:10:43] Voice 6: I think we have a great plan moving forward.

[1:10:47] Voice 6: I'd like to just thank you again

[1:10:50] Voice 6: for your time on this application.

[1:10:51] Voice 6: That's all.

[1:10:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): either the trustees have questions from us yeah go ahead trustee woman um

[1:10:58] Voice 7: i just have a question

[1:10:59] Voice 7: lisa because i understand that your rent has gone up quite considerably and i wondered if you would

[1:11:05] Voice 7: be willing to share that uh

[1:11:07] Voice 6: well it's just there's a commercial space when i initially opened up

[1:11:11] Voice 6: babes it was half the space and then the bakery moved on so i took over um i took on an extra rent

[1:11:17] Voice 6: pretty much. But I also have new landlords each year stipulated either a 10 or a 5% increase each

[1:11:24] Voice 6: year. After next year, which is the final year of my lease, my rent, I'm not eligible to extend it

[1:11:33] Voice 6: any further. I'm welcome to stay monthly, but it would be a 5% increase each month. So obviously,

[1:11:41] Voice 6: it's getting pretty tight for babes.

[1:11:44] Voice 6: The rent's around, it's just a $3,000 now a month,

[1:11:47] Voice 6: which has been really hard to carry with babes,

[1:11:49] Voice 6: especially with the lack of dine-in.

[1:11:52] Voice 6: So I have this giant space that's half, which is unusable.

[1:11:57] Voice 6: So it's been motivating to move.

[1:12:00] Voice 6: Yeah, yeah.

[1:12:01] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:12:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Hey, if there's no, I have no questions for Ms. Gavriel.

[1:12:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): So does anybody, if nobody else has any questions,

[1:12:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you for your comments, and we'll go back to the local trust committees.

[1:12:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): It seems to me that it's a choice.

[1:12:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, yes, Planner Smith, did you have something you wished to say?

[1:12:19] Voice 13: No, you're probably going to say it anyways.

[1:12:21] Voice 13: Sorry, Chair, go ahead.

[1:12:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, I was just going to say it seems to me the choice is option two,

[1:12:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): to continue to waive the public hearing and the timelines that the planner has laid out

[1:12:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): in terms of that, which probably allows the complete,

[1:12:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): or we take the recommendations that are in the,

[1:12:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): that are at the top of the staff,

[1:12:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): which would probably make mean that we would have to,

[1:12:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): well, depending on what we did in public hearing,

[1:12:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): probably would be October before we'd be able

[1:12:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): to potentially finish.

[1:12:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): So obviously best practices to do a public hearing

[1:12:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): in most cases, but this is an option to waive it

[1:12:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you wish, because the OCP, this is consistent.

[1:13:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): So trustee, how would you like to proceed?

[1:13:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, trustee Walbert.

[1:13:13] Voice 7: Okay, I would like to make a motion that the LTC

[1:13:18] Voice 7: continues to waive the public hearing

[1:13:21] Voice 7: and schedules all the necessary meetings to,

[1:13:28] Voice 7: or processes to move this to the September meeting.

[1:13:33] Voice 7: That doesn't make much sense, but.

[1:13:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, I think what you mean is to have third,

[1:13:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): to propose third reading in September.

[1:13:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think it's September 7th is our meeting.

[1:13:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): I got that right?

[1:13:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, it's a day after Labor Day, yeah.

[1:13:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[1:13:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so Carly, did you get that motion?

[1:13:53] Voice 14: Yeah, that the LTC continues to waive the public hearing

[1:13:56] Voice 14: and schedule the necessary processes,

[1:14:00] Voice 14: including to propose third reading at the September meeting.

[1:14:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, I think we just say all the necessary processes

[1:14:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): is to have third reading at the September 7th LTC meeting.

[1:14:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): Have a proposed third reading,

[1:14:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): I guess is the right language.

[1:14:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so is there a seconder for that motion?

[1:14:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Rockefeller?

[1:14:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's seconded, so now discussion.

[1:14:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Rockefeller.

[1:14:29] Voice 15: Yeah, I do support that.

[1:14:32] Voice 15: And I'll just mention quickly the following reasons.

[1:14:35] Voice 15: So I don't generally,

[1:14:37] Voice 15: no matter how much I appreciate an applicant

[1:14:39] Voice 15: work on the need of the applicant whether it's money or speed so i do appreciate that but it's

[1:14:45] Voice 15: not ever a part of my decision um my decision today would be supported because we've had

[1:14:51] Voice 15: no piece of correspondence that has disagreed with this application to date um the applicant

[1:14:57] Voice 15: has proven water on the property that's above adequate and taken all the all the necessary

[1:15:03] Voice 15: measures to address that included in the water report and that we initially had already said

[1:15:10] Voice 15: we were going to waive this due to public health emergency so I feel it's appropriate to do so in

[1:15:16] Voice 15: this place.

[1:15:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Wolverton do you wish to speak to your motion?

[1:15:24] Voice 7: I would agree with what

[1:15:26] Voice 7: Trustee Rockefeller has said and that this is not that we don't wouldn't normally do this but did

[1:15:33] Voice 7: waive the public hearing because of COVID and also that all the requirements that were set out

[1:15:41] Voice 7: have been met.

[1:15:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Right. So, okay, that's fine. So, I don't have much to add except to say

[1:15:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): this is the unusual one. So, I'll just call. So, I agree with you. I'll call the question

[1:15:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): all in favor. So, that passes unanimously. I don't think you need anything else, Planner Smith.

[1:16:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[1:16:02] Voice 13: No, thank you, Chair.

[1:16:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[1:16:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): So the next item on the agenda,

[1:16:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): give me a second to find my agenda cover,

[1:16:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): is, and I hope I'm pronouncing it correctly,

[1:16:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): Houle, which is found at page 40 of the application.

[1:16:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there a representative of the applicant here,

[1:16:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): planner, testimonial?

[1:16:26] Voice 16: I believe he was going to attend, Warren Houle.

[1:16:29] Voice 16: Oh,

[1:16:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): there was a warrant at that one, but warrant H, there he is. So Mr. Hill, we'll move you into the panelist section. You don't need to turn your mic or camera on yet. I know this, I understand this process is new to you, and that's fine.

[1:16:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): But what we'll do is we'll allow you to, we'll put you in a position where you'll be able to speak at some point if anybody has any questions or if you wish to.

[1:16:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): But for the moment, we'll let the planner make his application.

[1:17:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): There he is.

[1:17:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we'll let the planner make, sorry, present his report.

[1:17:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then we'll go to questions and then over to you.

[1:17:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): So over to you, Planner Castaneda.

[1:17:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): know this is on page 40 of the application for anybody following of the story of the package

[1:17:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): the agenda package if anybody's following okay

[1:17:23] Voice 16: excuse me thank you chair rogers so this is a

[1:17:26] Voice 16: combined uh development permit and development variance permit for 21455 poorly passed road

[1:17:33] Voice 16: and this application is with was submitted in advance with the installation of a new septic

[1:17:39] Voice 16: system on the property to replace the 50-year-old system that is in poor repair and failing.

[1:17:46] Voice 16: So other than the septic system, there's no other development proposed with this application.

[1:17:51] Voice 16: And so the location, the size, and the configuration of the property are such that

[1:17:56] Voice 16: any new development would be within DPA2 and require a DP or an exemption. And when the land

[1:18:05] Voice 16: use bylaw property line and natural boundary setback regulations are applied any development

[1:18:12] Voice 16: would also require variants so and that's indicated on figure 2 which is on page 43

[1:18:21] Voice 16: of the of the agenda which indicates setback lines and the location of the DPA

[1:18:28] Voice 16: so the the sighting of the new field and tanks is in the same area or the same site as the existing

[1:18:35] Voice 16: or the old system and the purpose of for the replacement is to improve the situation and

[1:18:41] Voice 16: avoid potential environmental impacts of a failing system so this type of system is

[1:18:47] Voice 16: called a type 2 system so the existing system would be a conventional or type 1 which is

[1:18:53] Voice 16: basically just straightforward tank and then dispersal into a septic field this has secondary

[1:19:00] Voice 16: secondary treatment, the highest would be type three which is practically full treatment

[1:19:06] Voice 16: which is dispersed into where the effluent is essentially drinkable.

[1:19:12] Voice 16: So just referencing separately, the development permit is for measures for the protection

[1:19:18] Voice 16: of the sensitive marine ecosystem and construction management for the proposal.

[1:19:23] Voice 16: As shown in Figure 2, almost the entire property is within DPA 2.

[1:19:29] Voice 16: The owners retain a coronis environmental to undertake an environmental assessment as required,

[1:19:35] Voice 16: and make recommendations for mitigation in accordance with the DPA guidelines.

[1:19:41] Voice 16: That report inventories the physical conditions on the property,

[1:19:45] Voice 16: and assesses potential impacts from the proposal and makes recommendations for mitigation and

[1:19:52] Voice 16: monitoring and it confirms that the entire property as is in a previously disturbed state

[1:19:58] Voice 16: the impact assessment focuses on concerns with the subsurface excavation required

[1:20:05] Voice 16: that could potentially cause damage to large anchoring roots of adjacent trees as well as

[1:20:13] Voice 16: of potential for accelerated erosion of the adjacent bank which is already having some

[1:20:19] Voice 16: erosion due to wave action below. So the report makes the recommendations of the report have all

[1:20:28] Voice 16: been included as conditions in the draft GP as have other conditions which are consistent with

[1:20:35] Voice 16: the guidelines. So and the report makes a conclusion that by following their mitigation

[1:20:42] Voice 16: and mitigation measures, potential impacts can be avoided, and then it goes on to speak to restoration and removal of invasive species, and that the sensitive any impacts to the ecosystem could be avoided.

[1:20:59] Voice 16: In addition, an engineer's report was submitted for the design and construction of the system by BWD Engineering, which is attachment 4, starting on page 80.

[1:21:14] Voice 16: And that is basically under a professional reliance scheme, this is a submission to Island Health for the new system.

[1:21:22] Voice 16: Just quickly addressing the development variance permit, that is to consider siting variances for the septic system and for two existing sheds that are non-conforming on the property, and the variances would bring the property into conformity.

[1:21:37] Voice 16: The constraints on the property mean that no other locations on the property would meet soil and setback conditions under health regulations to replace the system.

[1:21:50] Voice 16: and the legal survey that was submitted as part of the application indicated that the two sheds

[1:21:55] Voice 16: don't meet the current siting regulations from numerous setbacks and in order to bring everything

[1:22:02] Voice 16: to compliance they were included just for as a note the dwelling and the deck were constructed

[1:22:07] Voice 16: with a building permit in 1971 and therefore they have what's termed as legal non-conforming status

[1:22:14] Voice 16: status and I will speak to a concern that was raised in just a few minutes after I finished

[1:22:20] Voice 16: the rest of this on that note. Rationale is for the necessary replacement of the system on the

[1:22:27] Voice 16: property and the lack of an ability to put the system anywhere else. That's for this obviously

[1:22:34] Voice 16: for the septic system and for the two sheds is to bring it into compliance. In terms of assessing

[1:22:40] Voice 16: The location of the new system should not be impactful given that it's subsurface and it's replacing a pre-existing situation and similarly the two sheds, as they are existing, they should have minimal impact on neighboring properties of the public realm.

[1:23:02] Voice 16: uh in terms of consultation dvp notices were circulated to surrounding properties and residents

[1:23:08] Voice 16: there were no responses received to that notification however we did receive a piece

[1:23:14] Voice 16: of correspondence over the weekend which was processed today and sent to the local trust

[1:23:19] Voice 16: committee and the applicant that letter cited essentially three different concerns the first

[1:23:29] Voice 16: would be the decommissioning or there's an indication there's indication on the submission

[1:23:34] Voice 16: for the engineering report that the well would be decommissioned this is not an absolute in so

[1:23:44] Voice 16: much as it's a bit of a chicken and the egg scenario where there's a requirement for the

[1:23:51] Voice 16: new septic system to be put in place before they can actually test to ensure that the existing

[1:23:57] Voice 16: well isn't going to be further impacted, doing the testing right now would be, it would only be

[1:24:05] Voice 16: indicative of what's happening with the existing system. So the improvement, with the improvement

[1:24:11] Voice 16: done, the plan is to have a geohydrologist do an assessment on the system with the new functioning

[1:24:19] Voice 16: septic system. And if necessary, it would be decommissioned. And the proposal from the property

[1:24:24] Voice 16: owner or the owner is to actually if that's required to install a rainwater catchment and

[1:24:31] Voice 16: cistern system. Secondly there was a question of infill below on the lower floor of or I guess

[1:24:41] Voice 16: you'd say the basement area of the house. As I noted the house has legal non-conforming status

[1:24:47] Voice 16: and that's for the envelope of the house. We did when we received the application we had

[1:24:52] Voice 16: numerous communications with the applicant trying to determine what had been built and when um but

[1:24:59] Voice 16: notwithstanding it it what it appears to have happened has been built in there was that area

[1:25:05] Voice 16: was infilled in the past and what had happened more recently before this property owner bought

[1:25:11] Voice 16: it was that it was actually renovated to bring it up to better standard and um but it does not

[1:25:19] Voice 16: appear that there's been any increase in the building envelope therefore it would not require

[1:25:23] Voice 16: any variance and further because it's a work on a pre in a previously disturbed area it wouldn't

[1:25:32] Voice 16: trigger a DP as well so my understanding as well sorry I in speaking to the applicant this morning

[1:25:40] Voice 16: he was going to try and contact the engineer to seek clarification also on the number of bedrooms

[1:25:45] Voice 16: which was a third issue um uh in the house relative to the the filing and um that may

[1:25:54] Voice 16: have been uh some confusion given the listing of the property which indicates three bedrooms and

[1:25:59] Voice 16: the actual use right now uh the clarification that we're seeking i don't know if we have a

[1:26:04] Voice 16: verbal clarification perhaps warren can provide that is uh whether or not that would make any

[1:26:10] Voice 16: difference to this this essentially the size of the system so if it was for three bedrooms

[1:26:15] Voice 16: and two bathrooms if that would make any difference to the siting so our recommendations

[1:26:23] Voice 16: on page one are that the local trust committee approve issuance of dp 2021.2 and similarly for

[1:26:34] Voice 16: for DVP 2021.3 and the rationales are given on the final page essentially just a quick

[1:26:42] Voice 16: recap is that the objectives and guidelines of the DPA have been met all the relevant

[1:26:48] Voice 16: recommendations of the assessment report have been incorporated and conditions of the DP

[1:26:53] Voice 16: will ensure the terrestrial shoreline marine ecosystems will be protected and with regards

[1:26:59] Voice 16: to the variance. Although all the variances are minor the property is confined by its location,

[1:27:05] Voice 16: shape and size. The siting of the septic system is limited due to other health regulations.

[1:27:12] Voice 16: The replacement of the system will be a benefit to the terrestrial and marine ecosystems

[1:27:17] Voice 16: and the two buildings are existing and reasonably small and obtrusive and any impacts from granting

[1:27:25] Voice 16: the variances are minor and notification is generated no response and finally that they

[1:27:32] Voice 16: do not challenge the intent sorry the intent of the bylaw provisions so that's

[1:27:38] Voice 16: my summary sorry

[1:27:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm going to turn to um trustees questions for the planner uh trustee wolverton you've unmuted

[1:27:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i'm guessing you have a question dude oh

[1:27:54] Voice 7: sorry i was unmuted all the way all the way along

[1:27:57] Voice 7: um

[1:27:58] Voice 7: And so I guess I'd like to hear whether we have heard back regarding the capacity of the septic system to cover a three-bedroom, two-bath house.

[1:28:13] Voice 7: Even though I understand that the current owners are not using it in that way, it's still, nonetheless, that's what the house is.

[1:28:22] Voice 7: So future owners could conceivably have used all three bedrooms.

[1:28:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): Who are you asking that question for?

[1:28:34] Voice 7: I'm

[1:28:35] Voice 16: not sure if Warren has heard. Sorry to interrupt.

[1:28:37] Voice 7: Yeah. Okay. I wouldn't mind hearing from the applicant then on that issue.

[1:28:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay. Before we do that, Trustee Rockfeld, do you have any questions for the planner?

[1:28:48] Voice 15: No, just the same question as Trustee Wolverton.

[1:28:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay. So I have one question for the planner, and maybe it might be for the applicant.

[1:28:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): and um and it's about the dvps as uh is the property to the south vacant no

[1:29:06] Voice 16: it there is a

[1:29:07] Voice 16: house on it but it's it's similarly um configured property uh that and the house is quite far south

[1:29:13] Voice 16: in a little bay um okay yeah i

[1:29:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): mean i i because i just always get concerned about approving a

[1:29:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): a variance to a property where somebody is not there.

[1:29:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): And as a result, someone buys it and finds out

[1:29:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): that we've legalized something that's too close.

[1:29:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): But you're saying there is an owner,

[1:29:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): that person has been notified and has not,

[1:29:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's always easier if they say we have no problems,

[1:29:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): but they haven't objected in any case.

[1:29:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, thank you.

[1:29:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): That was my only question.

[1:29:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, so, Trustee Wolverton.

[1:29:47] Voice 7: Yeah, just another question for the planner

[1:29:51] Voice 7: regarding the potential damage to the roots when this system is put in and the subsequent potential.

[1:30:00] Voice 7: erosion of the of the bank there and I wonder if I think when we were speaking

[1:30:07] Voice 7: there is a way to add that in to make I don't know to to bring in some monitoring of that to

[1:30:16] Voice 7: make sure that that things I don't know I don't know how you can build a system and not affect

[1:30:24] Voice 7: So,

[1:30:24] Voice 16: yeah, I mean, in the conditions of the, of the, that came with the environmental assessment, they encouraged like the least use of machinery as possible.

[1:30:37] Voice 16: um and a preference well i don't know if they actually stated a preference for hand digging

[1:30:42] Voice 16: versus mechanical digging but um when we were speaking earlier today i did indicate that

[1:30:49] Voice 16: um we could put in a condition for like basically for the contractor to provide like rather than

[1:30:58] Voice 16: the condition that currently exists for monitoring which is for a completion letter um we could put

[1:31:04] Voice 16: in an extra monitoring requirement by amendment to the dp to um have like an interim like to provide

[1:31:11] Voice 16: photographs uh for instance uh to the the monitoring um qep or qualified environmental

[1:31:18] Voice 16: professional at certain stages so that they could ensure that the the root systems weren't damaged

[1:31:26] Voice 10: um

[1:31:26] Voice 16: and i did speak to uh warren and about this and he has talked to the contractor

[1:31:32] Voice 16: who I believe he's obviously contracted to build this

[1:31:35] Voice 16: and they felt confident

[1:31:37] Voice 16: that they could meet these requirements.

[1:31:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Does that answer your question, Trustee Wolverton?

[1:31:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): What I'm going to do is turn to the applicant.

[1:31:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): Welcome Mr. Poole and is it Mr. Poole?

[1:31:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know, anyway, whomever.

[1:31:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anyway, welcome to the meeting.

[1:32:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm sure it's, I understand you're new to Galliano

[1:32:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): or relatively new and so this is perhaps

[1:32:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): your first time here.

[1:32:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): here um so uh you've had one question and you're welcome to say anything you want about the staff

[1:32:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): report first of all and then you've had the one question from trustee wolverton related to

[1:32:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): bedrooms and the septic system and whether you have any updated information right thanks for

[1:32:24] Voice 23: listening to the application and taking this on it's a bit complicated as we've learned as this

[1:32:29] Voice 23: has gone along this is my my wife uh sarah burgess different last name hi

[1:32:35] Voice 17: nice to meet you

[1:32:35] Voice 17: um

[1:32:36] Voice 23: so in terms of the space i'm not sure where the three bedrooms came from i guess it maybe is

[1:32:44] Voice 23: from the real estate listing which there's a like there are two bedrooms um and but there's a kind

[1:32:51] Voice 23: of a mezzanine open area at the top like a loft kind of thing that's open so you could put a

[1:32:58] Voice 23: bedroom in there but i i don't know where whether it qualifies a bedroom or not we certainly don't

[1:33:04] Voice 23: use it that way um I haven't heard back from Brent uh Dennis yet but I called him this morning

[1:33:13] Voice 23: um well I guess when I recall when we were talking about it that he was interested in

[1:33:21] Voice 23: more the number of people it was just me and my wife um but I realized that when I was talking

[1:33:27] Voice 23: with Phil this morning of course the property might be used further down the road um and I

[1:33:35] Voice 23: I guess, could be loaded up with people.

[1:33:38] Voice 23: So anyway, I should hear back from Brent Dennis soon.

[1:33:46] Voice 23: And I'll update you as it goes.

[1:33:50] Voice 23: And I'll also ask him what the differences would

[1:33:54] Voice 23: be in terms of if it would need longer pipes

[1:34:00] Voice 23: or bigger you know first um chamber uh thing but um yeah i i'm not sure that it is a three bedroom

[1:34:14] Voice 23: property i can see how a realtor might call it that but in any event we'll we'll find out even

[1:34:20] Voice 23: if it is a three bedroom whether we would need to make changes to the plan and if if so whether

[1:34:27] Voice 23: they would be sort of significant or just kind of engineer stuff that doesn't really change the

[1:34:32] Voice 23: the like the the function or the the basic size

[1:34:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the system and just so you know sir the it's

[1:34:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): they the the letter writer that we got it from did provide the property listing which

[1:34:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): listed as three bedroom but also provided the property assessment link um from this year and

[1:34:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): it shows it as a or uh it shows it as a three bedroom as well so it's not just the property

[1:35:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): a realtor getting if they got it wrong and maybe they got their information from the realtor who

[1:35:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): knows but that's that's where it shows three bedrooms two baths and and i think the flag is

[1:35:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): is is that i from all of our experiences septic fields are designed on the basis of number of

[1:35:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): bedrooms not on the number of bathrooms and that's because the house capacity is at a certain level

[1:35:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that's i think what's flagged this question but so it sounds like i'm not quite sure what to say

[1:35:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): about um yeah go ahead um

[1:35:32] Voice 16: i was just going to interject that so and not to discount the the

[1:35:37] Voice 16: concern but just to remind that um this is um not the islands trust uh like this is a professional

[1:35:44] Voice 16: reliance and it's island health regulations that are being looked at here and it's the obligation

[1:35:49] Voice 16: litigation of the licensed, um, uh, engineer to meet those health guidelines. So, um, I, I, I,

[1:35:58] Voice 16: I fully accept that the need for clarification, but, um, it, you know, it is essentially outside

[1:36:05] Voice 16: of, of our jurisdiction.

[1:36:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, let me tell you, and I don't want to speak for the trustees,

[1:36:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): but let me tell you my consideration. If, if, if a, the engineer came and said, Oh,

[1:36:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): if it's three bedrooms it's got to be bigger what's the impact going to be on the shoreline

[1:36:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): then what do we need further remediation marriage i don't know the answer to that question if it's

[1:36:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): exactly the same i totally agree with you it's not our job to decide this up because anyway

[1:36:31] Voice 9: questions

[1:36:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the for

[1:36:34] Voice 9: the applicant nothing okay

[1:36:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): so um and um i'll then turn to you miss

[1:36:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes, go ahead, sir.

[1:36:48] Voice 23: I was just going to note, at least as I read the environmental report,

[1:36:54] Voice 23: I think we are already obliged to do some screening on the planting

[1:37:00] Voice 23: with local appropriate material and with follow-up with photographs

[1:37:04] Voice 23: and oversight from the environmental people from Pender Island.

[1:37:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, Trustee Rockwell.

[1:37:15] Voice 15: I just have a question for the planners.

[1:37:17] Voice 15: then if the septic field doesn't need to be if it doesn't if the fiat does decide it needs to

[1:37:24] Voice 15: be bigger or whatever would it then come back to us for a different variance because it'd be bigger

[1:37:29] Voice 15: possibly than we've approved um

[1:37:32] Voice 16: yes because basically what's happened there is a schedule

[1:37:35] Voice 16: that's been um uh distributed or note sent out for notification indicates a certain sighting

[1:37:41] Voice 16: so

[1:37:42] Voice 11: thank you any

[1:37:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): other questions for the applicant before i turn it back because

[1:37:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): our process mr hill is now we go back and talk about what to do about the recommendations related

[1:37:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the staff amongst ourselves um so i just want to make sure trustees have no more questions for

[1:38:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): you neither of you do do you have anything

[1:38:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): else you'd wish to add to the application

[1:38:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the to the discussion before i turn it back to our discussion me

[1:38:13] Voice 23: yeah sorry

[1:38:15] Voice 23: Sorry.

[1:38:15] Voice 23: Yeah, no, I mean, we're not all that up on all this.

[1:38:20] Voice 23: We're just trying to get the right people to do it

[1:38:23] Voice 23: and hope to make it better.

[1:38:25] Voice 17: Yeah, we're so glad to be on Galliana.

[1:38:28] Voice 17: We've been here since September.

[1:38:30] Voice 17: We've been trying to work with the best possible people

[1:38:32] Voice 17: to get the best information.

[1:38:35] Voice 17: And yeah, we're hopeful that this will go through.

[1:38:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, thanks very much.

[1:38:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'll ask you to mute yourself

[1:38:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we'll go back to the trustees.

[1:38:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have a series of recommendations from the planner.

[1:38:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I guess my question is, and you've raised at least one consideration, what would you like to do?

[1:39:01] Voice 7: So Trustee Rockville's question of planner testimony was, would we need to look at it again if it turns out that a larger unit is required

[1:39:15] Voice 7: and that unit might have a different impact on the property.

[1:39:22] Voice 7: So, I mean, if we pass the recommendation, the approval,

[1:39:28] Voice 7: if we give approval today, what would, how would that come back to us

[1:39:33] Voice 7: if what we've approved is actually not suitable?

[1:39:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, and one of your options is always to ask for more information.

[1:39:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): and if you if there's something that you feel you need to have information about before you

[1:39:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): make a decision one way or another um you know that's that's a perfectly acceptable option for

[1:39:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): you um and um so that would be yeah planner testament i

[1:40:07] Voice 16: was just going to say so um basically

[1:40:09] Voice 16: the way a variance is worded is it has to be substantively the same and essentially that's

[1:40:16] Voice 16: the obligation to if if it's issued and it shows something and they have to change it then they

[1:40:22] Voice 16: would require further further application so that would be the the trigger for that is there's no

[1:40:32] Voice 16: building permit required we could notify and perhaps Robert could help me with the process

[1:40:37] Voice 16: but I mean, presumably we could put it on

[1:40:41] Voice 16: or notify the applicant and the designer

[1:40:44] Voice 16: and the contractor that it has to be built as shown.

[1:40:47] Voice 16: So, which is part of the permit regardless,

[1:40:50] Voice 16: but that may be the mechanism

[1:40:52] Voice 16: if we come back with a different answer, so.

[1:40:56] Voice 16: Right,

[1:40:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): so as I see it, the options for trustees are,

[1:41:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): you could approve what's been presented to us.

[1:41:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): you could ask for more information related to the size of the septic field

[1:41:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that would be required for a three-bedroom versus a two-bedroom and then and i suppose we

[1:41:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): could always do it by rwm if we wanted to at some point and once we have that information and ask

[1:41:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): for that information. You always have the option of denying the variances but it sounds like the

[1:41:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): DPs are a little different because the terms of the development permit conditions

[1:41:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): may be changed because of if something changed in terms of the application but

[1:41:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): would strike me one of the

[1:41:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): options one of the things that could happen is that the engineer

[1:41:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Mayor can come back and say, no, that system's fine for a three-bedroom at all.

[1:41:59] Voice 15: I'm going to make a motion that the Galliano-Allen Local Trust Committee approve issuance of

[1:42:04] Voice 15: development permit GLDP 2021.2 HOOL and should I just make the first one?

[1:42:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): All right.

[1:42:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is that, I've got to go back to the top of my packet.

[1:42:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes, let's do them one at a time.

[1:42:20] Voice 15: Yeah, so that's the end of that one.

[1:42:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're going to move that we approve the development permit yeah

[1:42:28] Voice 15: okay that's

[1:42:30] Voice 15: the first

[1:42:31] Voice 15: i'd find

[1:42:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): the package number no

[1:42:33] Voice 15: it's okay i have it i could say it again if uh the minute taker

[1:42:35] Voice 15: needs it too oh

[1:42:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): no she'll be right there i know it's

[1:42:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): me that's sort of moved down the package

[1:42:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): and have to go back up okay so you've

[1:42:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): moved you you've moved page recommendation one yeah

[1:42:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): seconded okay any discussion i

[1:42:53] Voice 15: just wanted to so it's a very small piece of property these were

[1:42:56] Voice 15: i mean too small probably made back in the day but the fact is you need a septic field to have

[1:43:02] Voice 15: a house operating i don't see any way around it um and hopefully they'll you know if it doesn't

[1:43:08] Voice 15: have to be reworked the septic system size but if it does it'll come back to us and um i think it's

[1:43:13] Voice 15: probably in the applicant's best interest anyways to do as little environmental damage as possible

[1:43:17] Voice 15: seeing as they'll just lose precious more acreage if they don't so

[1:43:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah I was going to say if

[1:43:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): anybody's motivated not to deserve the roots that are holding

[1:43:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): up their bank it would be the applicant

[1:43:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): and

[1:43:31] Voice 15: yeah and I am concerned after seeing the pictures of the front two that we'll end up

[1:43:34] Voice 15: seeing a terrible seawall application one day but that's that's my motion there okay

[1:43:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): so trustee

[1:43:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Wendy Wolverton, do you want to speak to the motion?

[1:43:45] Voice 7: No, just on the issue of the seawall.

[1:43:48] Voice 7: I mean, we are as in trust policy,

[1:43:51] Voice 7: not recommending seawalls.

[1:43:53] Voice 7: So everything that can be done to, you know,

[1:43:58] Voice 7: to protect that bank is really critical to do.

[1:44:02] Voice 7: Cause there, you know, we are moving,

[1:44:05] Voice 7: we have moved away from the sort of hard walls of the sea

[1:44:10] Voice 7: that have such an impact on the marine life

[1:44:13] Voice 7: And

[1:44:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): I should add that it's always an education to me to read the development permit area guidelines, because there's lots in the development permit guidelines for this VP2 that talks about that.

[1:44:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): That talks about, you know, only allow hard walls if the other is basically impossible or unworkable.

[1:44:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so

[1:44:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's a motion you've seconded it. I don't really have anything more to say.

[1:44:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): If nobody else has anything, I'll call the vote. All in favor of that? So that passes.

[1:44:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's a second motion.

[1:44:51] Voice 15: Yeah. Oh, you want to go, Trustee Wolff?

[1:44:53] Voice 15: No, go ahead.

[1:44:54] Voice 15: Okay. It just moves that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Variance Permit GLDVP-2021.3.

[1:45:04] Voice 15: okay

[1:45:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's been seconded does anybody want to speak to that uh variance yeah

[1:45:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): was

[1:45:10] Voice 15: trustee wolverton wanting extra monitoring i don't know if that would have been

[1:45:15] Voice 15: included in this part or not

[1:45:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's in the permit i think yeah

[1:45:19] Voice 16: it is yeah sorry i can i just speak

[1:45:21] Voice 16: to that or sure um so that should have been part of the dp but i'm looking at the dp right now and

[1:45:27] Voice 16: it actually is in there for periodic uh initial and periodic photographic evidence

[1:45:33] Voice 16: So, and that was put past the QEP who did the report

[1:45:41] Voice 16: and that was acceptable, so.

[1:45:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): So this is about the variance, which sets,

[1:45:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): so this creates the size setbacks,

[1:45:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): the lot lines and from the material.

[1:45:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): So for both the two sheds and for the septic field itself.

[1:45:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): So are there any comments from other trustee

[1:46:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): who want to speak to it?

[1:46:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): No, okay, I'll call the vote, all in favor.

[1:46:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that also passes unanimously so you've got your permits um thanks i think um planner best

[1:46:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): of mail can explain to you what the process is from now um basically both those permits

[1:46:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): and

[1:46:19] Voice 9: you

[1:46:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): can i guess that means you'll be able to proceed with the work that you need to have done

[1:46:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): but nice good luck with what i really wish this is one of those properties as i've said many times

[1:46:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): I would have loved to have seen because it really was hard for me to picture it from the even from

[1:46:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): the photographs and uh there was because I gather you have a big bank up by the road too in addition

[1:46:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): to now anyway uh it looks like a challenging piece of work but a beautiful property so enjoy

[1:46:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you

[1:46:48] Voice 20: thank

[1:46:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): you for joining us um we now move

[1:46:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): on thank you very much thanks uh

[1:46:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): Uh, planner testimonial that we have in the next, uh, application, which is, uh, or Litsky.

[1:47:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Um, and I'm not sure if the applicant, anyone from the applicant is here.

[1:47:11] Voice 11: Um, I

[1:47:12] Voice 11: don't think I trustee

[1:47:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): Wolverton said that perhaps, uh, is it Steven?

[1:47:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): If there's anybody

[1:47:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the attendees list that is here to speak on behalf of the applicant,

[1:47:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): applicant, please put your hand up. Otherwise, we'll just proceed as if the applicant is not

[1:47:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): present.

[1:47:32] Voice 7: Stefan Orlitsky had hoped to join. He said that he's not that technically

[1:47:40] Voice 7: adept. That's fine. But I said, you know, he could telephone in, but I don't see him.

[1:47:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, somebody named Woods. Who would that be? Could you promote the person with the last name

[1:47:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): in woods and see if that's somebody who's here on behalf of

[1:47:59] Voice 7: woodstone maybe

[1:48:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh maybe

[1:48:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): maple are you there yes

[1:48:15] Voice 11: i i have moved them over to um panelist side i see them over there or i've

[1:48:20] Voice 11: enabled them to speak but i don't see their audio connected so i

[1:48:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't see they still showing up on

[1:48:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): my attendees list

[1:48:27] Voice 11: okay let me just restart it here for a minute yeah it's a bit of a lag just

[1:48:39] Voice 11: one moment please there's uh well

[1:48:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): why don't we oh they're okay now they've disappeared from the

[1:48:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): attendees list okay

[1:48:48] Voice 11: might be a little slow today uh

[1:48:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): or i still don't see them in the panelists list

[1:48:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah

[1:48:57] Voice 11: me either i'll be a bit of apologies it might be a bit of a technical issue today

[1:49:04] Voice 11: with this user so i'm going to

[1:49:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah why don't you um work on getting them over and i'll get

[1:49:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): at Planner

[1:49:13] Voice 11: Testimale to start.

[1:49:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): So the report for those following along starts

[1:49:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): at page 112 of the agenda package.

[1:49:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): Over to you, Planner Testimale.

[1:49:27] Voice 16: Thanks, Trustee Rogers.

[1:49:29] Voice 16: So for 743 Georgetown Bay Road,

[1:49:32] Voice 16: which is commonly known as the Woodstone Manor property,

[1:49:36] Voice 16: this is a development permit,

[1:49:38] Voice 16: which is for measures to retroactively authorize

[1:49:41] Voice 16: land alteration tree removal and the construction of a building which is a shed and a pond within

[1:49:48] Voice 16: development permit area one which is riparian areas development permit area three which is

[1:49:53] Voice 16: tree cutting and removal and development permit area five which is sensitive ecosystem

[1:49:57] Voice 16: the permit also the application also authorizes remediation for the unpermitted activities with

[1:50:07] Voice 16: restoration works within the same DPAs. So referring to figure two which is on page 115

[1:50:13] Voice 16: of the report, the activities that were that were undertaken without a permit were the clearing of

[1:50:22] Voice 16: a landing area approximately 750 meters squared where all vegetation was removed.

[1:50:29] Voice 16: Subsequently grasses and herbaceous plants were re-established or re-established naturally.

[1:50:35] Voice 16: However, this spring the owner removed the berm and spread the soils over the landing area, which was actually a recommendation of the QEP report, which I'll talk about below.

[1:50:45] Voice 16: A berm was constructed. Again, that was as part of the recommendations of the QEP and which has subsequently been done recently by the owners, that has been now removed.

[1:50:59] Voice 16: Roadway was constructed approximately 110 meters long within Development Permit Area 1.

[1:51:05] Voice 16: A small ditch was constructed to convey water from the landing area southeast towards the wetland.

[1:51:11] Voice 16: And a pond with rip-rack bank approximately 25 meters squared that is storm water fed and naturally stagnant was built.

[1:51:19] Voice 16: And then a small wooden shed 2.3 meters by 1.2 meters was built adjacent to the pond.

[1:51:25] Voice 16: within the entire property under DPA 3 the property owner felled trees and cleared windfall

[1:51:32] Voice 16: and that was approximately 150 trees and the large majority of those were windfall

[1:51:37] Voice 16: the restoration works that are prescribed include the planting of replacement trees

[1:51:42] Voice 16: shrubs and grasses and land alteration to remove some of the features

[1:51:47] Voice 16: an environmental impact assessment and restoration plan was submitted

[1:51:52] Voice 16: as well as a subsequent addendum that established what's called the Streamside Protection and Enhancement Area, or SPIA, which is for the riparian areas.

[1:52:01] Voice 16: And the combined report starts on page 1 and 26 of the agenda.

[1:52:06] Voice 16: So the report is organized into a site inventory and impact assessment for each of the three DPAs.

[1:52:13] Voice 16: Just to go quickly through them for DPA 1, the riparian area, as I indicated, there was a subsequent submission.

[1:52:21] Voice 16: because it's retroactive under the riparian areas protection act that can't be approved

[1:52:27] Voice 16: therefore there was no submission to the province of an assessment report and also there was no

[1:52:35] Voice 16: spia which would have been part of that in the initial report by the biologists so in order to

[1:52:41] Voice 16: meet the guidelines staff requested that that be undertaken by the QEP and they worked with

[1:52:47] Voice 16: the province that spia is it's called the acronym was set at 15 meters from the boundary of the

[1:52:54] Voice 16: wetland and that's shown in figure three of the report so the impacts to the riparian area were

[1:53:00] Voice 16: assessed to be possible sedimentation entering the area and the ditch may have altered localized

[1:53:06] Voice 16: draining neither of those two impacts were substantiated for a dpa5 which is sensitive

[1:53:12] Voice 16: ecosystem. The impacts are stated to be potential loss of foraging migratory corridor and breeding

[1:53:21] Voice 16: opportunities for several at-risk species within the DPA. Impacts were also assessed to be reduced

[1:53:33] Voice 16: because of the degraded nature of the wetland where to the east of the property and it concluded

[1:53:40] Voice 16: that the works were unlikely to have any direct negative impacts on rare or at-risk species.

[1:53:47] Voice 16: It did talk about or sorry note the potential loss of habitat from felled trees

[1:53:52] Voice 16: as well as lost migration options on the landing for amphibians and it noted that hydrological

[1:54:01] Voice 16: impacts were minimal. Tree cutting removal in as I said there was 150 trees removed,

[1:54:07] Voice 16: removed 90% of those were windfall and the volume that was removed was assessed between

[1:54:15] Voice 16: 11 and 25 meters squared noted that most of them were young trees Douglas fir and Hawthorne

[1:54:21] Voice 16: and that they also stated that no Gary Oaks were removed in the clearing so as I said

[1:54:29] Voice 16: restoration was part of the of the report and that's all these are shown in figure three and

[1:54:39] Voice 16: include the planting of a minimum of 100 trees and shrubs overall it recommends the culverting

[1:54:45] Voice 16: of the room sorry the road to promote natural drainage the removal of the berm which I've

[1:54:50] Voice 16: spoken about and the filling in of the ditch and seeding and planting of those areas as well as

[1:54:56] Voice 16: the landing area restoration in the areas outside of the landing include planting of trees and

[1:55:02] Voice 16: shrubs and placing woody debris it does recommend that the road pond and small shed should remain

[1:55:10] Voice 16: as they'd have minimal impacts or have minimal impacts on sensitive ecosystems again there's

[1:55:17] Voice 16: made recommendations for monitoring in the report the dpa checklist was attached

[1:55:24] Voice 16: And all of the conditions, sorry, all the recommendations from the report were included as conditions in the Draft DP.

[1:55:33] Voice 16: In addition, Section 3 of the Draft DP has conditions for security of 125% of the estimated restoration work which was provided by the QEP.

[1:55:46] Voice 16: So the recommendation is that the Galliano Local Trust Committee approve issuance of

[1:55:52] Voice 16: DP 2021.1 as the restoration works meet the objectives and guidelines of the DPA

[1:56:00] Voice 16: all relevant recommendations of the assessment report and conditions consistent with the

[1:56:06] Voice 16: objectives and guidelines have been incorporated into the proposed DP and the conditions of the

[1:56:14] Voice 16: dp will facilitate repair to the damaged riparian wetland ecosystem by implementing the restoration

[1:56:21] Voice 16: plan and thereby ensuring future protection and healthiest ecosystem also with the implementation

[1:56:29] Voice 16: of the spia that's

[1:56:31] Voice 9: my summary hey trustee um i

[1:56:41] Voice 15: had a question about the road did you

[1:56:43] Voice 15: say that the sorry planner testimony that the road was claimed in the ecological assessment

[1:56:50] Voice 15: meant to not have impact um

[1:56:54] Voice 16: that's what the biological assessment says that it um it wasn't

[1:56:59] Voice 16: impactful um it does the only impact that it assessed was it perhaps interrupted the

[1:57:05] Voice 16: natural flow and that's why there's recommendations for culverting

[1:57:09] Voice 15: because in my reading with all the

[1:57:12] Voice 15: environmental assessments i believe that roads are the most impactful on the environment

[1:57:16] Voice 15: and i'm also curious where was the road going it

[1:57:21] Voice 16: seems to form a circle like so to go to the

[1:57:24] Voice 16: landing and then come away from the landing perhaps the applicant could um provide us with

[1:57:31] Voice 16: the rationale for where the road was placed and why so trustee

[1:57:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): wolverton you what should i turn

[1:57:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the applicant or do you have some questions regarding the staff report um

[1:57:44] Voice 7: no i was able to

[1:57:46] Voice 7: get out there today and have a look around and and there are a number of roads there i mean there's

[1:57:53] Voice 7: the gravel road and then there there's another dirt road that looks as if either it has just

[1:57:58] Voice 7: been constructed or has been roughed up so i i believe it's been roughed up uh to return to a

[1:58:06] Voice 7: more natural state um but i'm not 100 sure because it was there are a number of and and

[1:58:14] Voice 7: And the applicants own the property to the north.

[1:58:18] Voice 7: So there is a connection now, it looks like, from one road going into the property to the north on that east side.

[1:58:32] Voice 7: Well,

[1:58:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): perhaps if nobody has any specific technical questions other than Trustee Rockefeller's related to the property, maybe we can turn.

[1:58:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I see that whoever it is that's under the Wood's name, Woodstone, is here.

[1:58:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): And if, sir or ma'am, whoever it is, if you could unmute yourself, you'll be able to speak and perhaps answer questions and give us your point of view.

[1:59:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): So your unmute button should be bottom left hand of your screen.

[1:59:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): If you take your cursor down to their pointer,

[1:59:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): you'll see there's a mute unmute button.

[1:59:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): If you click on that, you should be able to unmute yourself.

[1:59:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): We got him over here, but now he's having trouble.

[1:59:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): I say him and I have no idea who it is, I apologize.

[1:59:48] Voice 7: I think it was going to be Stefan.

[1:59:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): So-

[1:59:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): Please

[1:59:57] Voice 14: move, Chair. The applicant has written.

[2:00:00] Voice 14: in the chat to panelists saying they're sorry they couldn't have made the zoom meeting today

[2:00:03] Voice 14: but they've been listening in well

[2:00:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): he's here though or

[2:00:10] Voice 7: he was no

[2:00:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): his name is still under the

[2:00:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): panelist section so um i'm going to suggest um uh thank you for that carly um yeah he is here

[2:00:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): he says he's here can you not unmute yourself you are you're chatting but you you so you obviously

[2:00:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): are on our webinar and uh there is no speaker so

[2:00:36] Voice 9: i see or

[2:00:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): no microphone so can i suggest that

[2:00:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): in order for us to complete this that perhaps um uh that you phone in um can uh i

[2:00:48] Voice 11: will provide him

[2:00:49] Voice 11: the link and the i'm sorry the phone numbers and the webinar id really quickly just hold on there

[2:00:54] Voice 11: for a second stephan i'm just going to grab it for you okay i'm just going to put it uh send a

[2:01:15] Voice 11: message to him

[2:01:16] Voice 10: okay

[2:01:18] Voice 11: and if you call in with um any uh smartphone or landline that should work

[2:01:24] Voice 11: so

[2:01:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you write that if you jot that down and call the number and then you'll be asked for

[2:01:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): the webinar id you should phone sign you should show up as a phone number that we can then

[2:01:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): unmute you let's

[2:01:54] Voice 20: um let's uh let's

[2:01:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): just take five minutes uh let's stand down for five minutes we've

[2:01:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): been going for two hours uh we'll see if we can get him to uh uh get on and then we'll come back

[2:02:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): so we're just going to we're just going to adjourn briefly for five minutes but we see

[2:02:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): if we can get um whoever this stefan or whomever it is on yes

[2:03:35] Voice 8: okay hi

[2:04:25] Voice 11: stefan if that's you um i

[2:04:28] Voice 11: just uh heard a lot of echoing and can't quite hear you clearly so um perhaps maybe signing in

[2:04:35] Voice 11: out of the actual user from the computer and then using just the phone would probably be better

[2:04:40] Voice 11: or

[2:05:00] Voice 19: how's that oh that's

[2:05:05] Voice 19: a little better

[2:05:06] Voice 12: stefan that's a little better but you're still echoing

[2:05:08] Voice 12: for some reason okay is

[2:05:24] Voice 19: that better oh

[2:05:25] Voice 11: yeah that's much better okay

[2:05:27] Voice 19: okay

[2:05:27] Voice 11: okay thank you i'm just

[2:05:29] Voice 11: gonna thank you

[2:05:30] Voice 11: yes so stefan so i'm gonna rename your name there for the phone number okay all

[2:05:38] Voice 11: All right, can

[2:06:52] Voice 19: you hear me?

[2:06:54] Voice 7: Yes, we can.

[2:06:55] Voice 19: Yes. Awesome.

[2:07:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're, if everybody's back, I think we're back, so.

[2:07:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[2:07:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): And sorry, and is it Stefan?

[2:07:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's correct.

[2:07:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so you've probably heard what,

[2:07:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): I understand you could hear us

[2:07:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): and watch what we were talking about up until then.

[2:07:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): Now we can talk to you.

[2:07:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): So this is your opportunity to speak to the application.

[2:07:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): We've had the planners report.

[2:07:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): report. There was one question from Trustee Rockefeller. Do you want to ask it again,

[2:07:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Rockefeller, or do you want to just, yeah, why don't you ask it again? Oh,

[2:07:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): Planner of the Testament.

[2:07:50] Voice 16: I just wanted to clarify the question from Trustee Rockefeller.

[2:07:56] Voice 16: Part of what you're seeing here is with the assessment, with the biologist report,

[2:08:02] Voice 16: And actually, if you look up page 145 of the agenda, it differentiates between the DPA and the wetland characteristics that were basically, for lack of better terms, well, not lack, it is their ground truth.

[2:08:19] Voice 16: and it shows that essentially where the dpa for the wetland was was designated they had no

[2:08:27] Voice 16: characteristics so the and they that the biologist um has a has put a different boundary and that's

[2:08:35] Voice 16: what the spia or the protection boundary is also based on so i hope that maybe clarifies it a bit

[2:08:42] Voice 16: it with regards to the comment or the the notion that taking the road isn't having any impacts i

[2:08:49] Voice 16: think that that kind of points to it that the road essentially wasn't going through a riparian

[2:08:54] Voice 16: environment or a wetland riparian wetland environment does that make sense sorry trustee

[2:09:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): rockefeller was your question do you want to ask the applicant uh

[2:09:14] Voice 15: no okay

[2:09:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh so trustee wolverine

[2:09:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): I

[2:09:22] Voice 7: was wondering, Stefan, if you could talk about what your plan is for that part of the property, especially once the remediation has been done.

[2:09:33] Voice 19: Well, I'm just going to leave it alone because, you know, through my ignorance and everything else and not understanding, you know, I understood what a riparian area was, but I didn't understand that I actually had wetland.

[2:09:44] Voice 19: So that's why I went ahead and I started cleaning up the area after we had that big windfall two years ago.

[2:09:50] Voice 19: So I just followed through and then because we had some beautiful trees go down in this property.

[2:10:02] Voice 19: And what I try to do is just and, you know, people are walking through the property.

[2:10:21] Voice 19: So that's why I was addressing it as quickly as possible.

[2:10:26] Voice 15: Thank you. And so was the road building and shed and clearing and berm part of the cleanup?

[2:10:36] Voice 19: Yeah, well, no road was kind of there was just to take care of the fence line and stuff like that.

[2:10:41] Voice 19: And at some point, because I didn't know what to do some farming down there.

[2:10:47] Voice 19: and i found oh my god i can't do anything down there it was my ignorance i

[2:10:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): i actually have a

[2:10:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): question because and i just because i don't know the answer to it is it's referred to in both the

[2:11:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): staff report and the and the uh environmental report that there that you the the there was a

[2:11:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): landing area uh created and i i've wondered that's

[2:11:15] Voice 19: where it was what that means

[2:11:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): for what a landing

[2:11:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): area is. Landing area?

[2:11:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's the area you've now deconstructed but it was a landing area that's

[2:11:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): what they called it. Oh no not deconstructed you've taken the mound and pushed it but that's

[2:11:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): what I

[2:11:32] Voice 19: know. I went back to where the original area was.

[2:11:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah I guess I'm gonna it's gonna be

[2:11:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): a mystery for a while from now. Yeah trustee Wolverton.

[2:11:48] Voice 7: So Stephan what was the purpose of

[2:11:50] Voice 7: the landing area?

[2:11:52] Voice 19: Well that was I was going to bring all the logs there I was going to make

[2:11:55] Voice 19: firewood or whatever or even mill some of it but uh that got shut down okay

[2:12:03] Voice 7: and can i just say

[2:12:04] Voice 19: it's just the

[2:12:05] Voice 19: work area it's the work area yeah

[2:12:07] Voice 7: the gravel road that that is there that goes from

[2:12:12] Voice 7: near the uh uh hotel near the inn uh out there what what is that going to be

[2:12:23] Voice 19: that's just going to stay road now on trails it's designed for trails it was meant to be for

[2:12:28] Voice 19: for trails, right?

[2:12:29] Voice 19: But then somehow it just got bigger and bigger.

[2:12:33] Voice 7: Okay, thank you.

[2:12:35] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:12:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): Other questions for the applicant,

[2:12:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Rockefeller, do you have any?

[2:12:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Wilberton?

[2:12:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sir, I didn't give you an opportunity.

[2:12:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you wish to address anything in the staff report

[2:12:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): in submission to the local trust committee

[2:12:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the recommendations that are made?

[2:12:55] Voice 19: You know what, I have to do a cleanup.

[2:12:57] Voice 19: I realize that, you know, let's, these are my sins.

[2:13:00] Voice 19: and go ahead and do what we've got to do.

[2:13:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[2:13:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): All right.

[2:13:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, thank you for joining us.

[2:13:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): You can mute yourself now.

[2:13:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, just a second.

[2:13:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Wolverton has another one.

[2:13:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[2:13:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): You're muted, Jane.

[2:13:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[2:13:18] Voice 7: Sorry, Stephan.

[2:13:19] Voice 7: Yes.

[2:13:20] Voice 7: I just wondered, over what period of time you're anticipating kind of doing the work

[2:13:26] Voice 7: that's recommended here in the biologist's report?

[2:13:29] Voice 19: You know what, Jane, I really don't know how long that's going to take me.

[2:13:33] Voice 19: It's just a matter of finding the plants, all that kind of stuff.

[2:13:36] Voice 19: I'm going to have to get some people involved to, you know, say which tree is which tree.

[2:13:40] Voice 19: If I'm doing this right or that right, you know, help me through.

[2:13:45] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:13:46] Voice 19: But the sooner the better.

[2:13:48] Voice 19: That's the way I look at it.

[2:13:50] Voice 19: And then, you know, I can put this.

[2:13:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Right.

[2:13:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[2:13:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you.

[2:13:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Planned Testament

[2:14:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): is the

[2:14:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): is the

[2:14:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): violent enforcement

[2:14:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): on hold

[2:14:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): while pending

[2:14:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): the

[2:14:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): this

[2:14:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): this

[2:14:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): resolution

[2:14:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): of this

[2:14:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): of this

[2:14:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): application

[2:14:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah

[2:14:12] Voice 16: because

[2:14:12] Voice 16: this is

[2:14:13] Voice 16: their

[2:14:13] Voice 16: method

[2:14:14] Voice 16: for

[2:14:14] Voice 16: compliance

[2:14:14] Voice 16: yeah

[2:14:15] Voice 16: right

[2:14:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): so this

[2:14:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): is

[2:14:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): this

[2:14:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): effectively

[2:14:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): is the

[2:14:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): compliance

[2:14:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): methodology

[2:14:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah

[2:14:20] Voice 16: so

[2:14:20] Voice 16: yeah

[2:14:21] Voice 16: I mean

[2:14:22] Voice 16: if it

[2:14:22] Voice 16: if it

[2:14:23] Voice 16: persists

[2:14:23] Voice 16: that they're

[2:14:24] Voice 16: not

[2:14:24] Voice 16: doing

[2:14:25] Voice 16: anything

[2:14:25] Voice 16: for instance

[2:14:26] Voice 16: then we

[2:14:26] Voice 16: could

[2:14:27] Voice 16: they

[2:14:28] Voice 16: could be there could be enforcement based on not meeting the conditions of the DP. So if there was

[2:14:33] Voice 16: a long delay.

[2:14:35] Voice 19: The acronym I'm sorry DPA I don't even know what that means.

[2:14:39] Voice 16: Sorry it's a development

[2:14:40] Voice 16: permit area. Oh

[2:14:42] Voice 19: okay thank you.

[2:14:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): So there's a series of areas on the island that are called

[2:14:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): development permit areas where you need a development permit in order to do development.

[2:14:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): them okay because they're they're sensitive for a variety of different reasons yeah

[2:15:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): i have

[2:15:04] Voice 15: a question for the planner um because of the extreme disrespect from the applicant

[2:15:10] Voice 15: for the natural environment on this property i was wondering is there any other like this

[2:15:15] Voice 15: is the only alternate option for the ltc is to approve the dpa essentially

[2:15:20] Voice 16: yeah yeah i mean this

[2:15:22] Voice 16: This is the fix, for lack of better terms, is the development permit.

[2:15:26] Voice 16: So the path to compliance from enforcement is for them to retroactively make this application, which they've done.

[2:15:33] Voice 16: And then what comes with that is the restoration plan to remediate the damage that was done.

[2:15:38] Voice 16: So if the question is, if turning this down, there's no, essentially no other.

[2:15:45] Voice 15: So there's no option.

[2:15:46] Voice 15: One, the LTC must approve it to move forward with business.

[2:15:51] Voice 15: like there's

[2:15:52] Voice 16: essentially yeah

[2:15:53] Voice 15: unless

[2:15:55] Voice 16: unless there's a guideline well this is a tricky part

[2:15:58] Voice 16: because obviously guidelines haven't been met but the plan to restore meets the guidelines so

[2:16:03] Voice 16: because they went ahead and did it without up without um a permit so right

[2:16:09] Voice 15: but for a few

[2:16:10] Voice 15: thousand dollars people could do whatever they want on their property and apply for a dpa after

[2:16:14] Voice 15: in

[2:16:15] Voice 16: the absence of ticketing and finding yeah yeah okay thanks right

[2:16:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we don't have the

[2:16:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): ability to do that on a dp dewey that's one of

[2:16:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): the outstanding issues we're trying that's right

[2:16:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah

[2:16:27] Voice 16: through through the legislation we don't have ability to fine for a development for works or

[2:16:34] Voice 16: contraventions in the development permit area so and as you say

[2:16:39] Voice 7: that's one of

[2:16:40] Voice 16: the wish lists yeah

[2:16:41] Voice 16: go ahead jane i'm

[2:16:47] Voice 7: wondering whether um we could add a further condition that um that the

[2:16:52] Voice 7: restoration be completed within a 12-month period and that that be um confirmed by the um

[2:17:01] Voice 7: a a registered um what do they call qep yeah just went out of my head it

[2:17:11] Voice 16: would be the monitoring

[2:17:12] Voice 16: entering QEP that would be able to provide that confirmation.

[2:17:17] If

[2:17:17] Voice 19: you guys can get me in the direction of that person or individuals or entity, I'll

[2:17:24] Voice 19: be willing to work with those people.

[2:17:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a QEP already attached to this file, Phil?

[2:17:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's

[2:17:35] Voice 16: another document that owners.

[2:17:36] Voice 16: There is a Mr. Oliver Busby, but it doesn't have to be that person.

[2:17:43] Voice 16: it should be a registered professional biologist so there are biologists that are more local because

[2:17:47] Voice 16: mr busby's on the mainland so it could be a local qep that um is is assigned or takes us yeah and

[2:17:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): and sir uh qep is what's called a qualified environmental professional it's a it's another

[2:18:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): word we use for people that can give the opinions it's it's someone who can direct the work that

[2:18:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): needs to be done yeah trustee rockwell um

[2:18:13] Voice 15: i was also wondering i would like uh to see the road

[2:18:18] Voice 15: properly decommissioned and i'm wondering if that can be included in the dpa variance approval

[2:18:26] Voice 15: or whatever the

[2:18:28] Voice 20: dp so

[2:18:31] Voice 16: um essentially we would need to know would that be just by

[2:18:36] Voice 16: blocking it or removing it and because there would probably

[2:18:41] Voice 16: need to be further assessment of whether that would be impactful well

[2:18:46] Voice 15: yeah i guess it just

[2:18:47] Voice 15: looks like there's a bunch of fill gravel added on top and it seems like it's wide as a road and

[2:18:53] Voice 15: i feel like it could be used as a road and i feel and i think that it should be properly

[2:18:58] Voice 15: decommissioned as a trail if that's the intent am

[2:19:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): i allowed to

[2:19:04] Voice 19: answer this one i

[2:19:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): think we're still

[2:19:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah you're still we're still in a conversation with you well

[2:19:13] Voice 19: especially with that

[2:19:22] Voice 16: could it be

[2:19:23] Voice 16: it could be gated though so yeah i don't know if that would um would be uh sufficient to trustee

[2:19:30] Voice 16: rockefeller's request so

[2:19:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): let me ask this question because this is always the difficulty with

[2:19:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): development permits as opposed to development variance permits um and i'm sorry this isn't

[2:19:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): for you uh uh sir it's for the planners and the other trustees is is you know we have the

[2:19:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): whatever there are i can't remember how many there are 20 odd guidelines for how many guidelines for

[2:20:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): this particular development well it's probably more because there's three to dps involved here

[2:20:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): and so we get to the point where you know the the object is you set up the the guidelines and you

[2:20:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): you set up the conditions and what needs to be done in advance so that people

[2:20:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): do in advance. And of course, this is an area where it's kind of after the fact,

[2:20:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): but is if we now have an environmental report that says X satisfied the

[2:20:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): guidelines,

[2:20:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): can we put an extra development permit condition in that's not part of that

[2:20:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): environmental report?

[2:20:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): like the one that trustee rockefeller just provided

[2:20:45] Voice 16: that it's meeting a guideline yeah

[2:20:47] Voice 16: yeah so yeah so

[2:20:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): we could add a provision that says something something like there shall be a

[2:20:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): gate on the road that uh so it's only utilized before emergency access or something like that

[2:21:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah

[2:21:01] Voice 16: essentially for the protection of the you know with the wetland i mean i would i think you'd

[2:21:06] Voice 16: want to qualify it for the intent which is to protect you know further damage to the

[2:21:12] Voice 16: um the development permit area um but and just further to your point there are numerous

[2:21:18] Voice 16: conditions in the dp that weren't part of the um environmental report that we use that basically

[2:21:26] Voice 16: reflect the the guidelines and the dpas so let

[2:21:30] Voice 16: me go to

[2:21:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustee rockefeller because that may not be

[2:21:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): what she had in mind yeah yeah

[2:21:35] Voice 15: no I wanted to see the road decommissioned properly I think that

[2:21:39] Voice 15: fire acts I don't know how long the road is I didn't get a chance to do a site visit which I

[2:21:43] Voice 15: would have appreciated seeing as it looks fairly destroyed and I don't appreciate that either and

[2:21:48] Voice 15: so I would like to see the road properly decommissioned if that I don't know how long

[2:21:54] Voice 15: it is how as a fire department is it 20 feet long because we have hoses it's

[2:21:59] Voice 16: um so the portion

[2:22:01] Voice 16: that's in the designated development permit area one is 110 meters by the estimation of the

[2:22:07] Voice 16: of the biologist so it it hooks into the dpa if that makes sense and goes through it and comes

[2:22:15] Voice 16: out the other end and that's the length of it the issue though i would i um and i'm going to look

[2:22:25] Voice 16: to robert here because i think in order to say that we you may want to know what that means in

[2:22:31] Voice 16: terms of potential impacts because sometimes taking something out once it's been done can

[2:22:36] Voice 16: be more impactful than putting just leaving it i'm

[2:22:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): reminded of uh what it was a dv it was a

[2:22:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): dvp that was on a waterfront property on galliano that i think what that we were looking at and

[2:22:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): one of the one of the recommendations for the biologist was don't make them take that out

[2:23:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): just be taken out it'll do more harm than leaving it in place

[2:23:07] Voice 16: that's not uncommon and um i mean

[2:23:11] Voice 16: typically there are structures that are you know concrete or whatever which you know like a

[2:23:16] Voice 16: breakwater or something like that can be i mean i think that was the one on wise island you may be

[2:23:21] Voice 16: referring to but um yeah anyway

[2:23:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): but but let's go over i don't want to dismiss trustee rockfeller's

[2:23:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): got a point she's concerned about something go ahead trust me you're muted uh to hear

[2:23:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh

[2:23:38] Voice 15: i just uh i was actually going to also ask like so neighbors concerns wouldn't matter in

[2:23:43] Voice 15: this because it's a development permit area that's correct right there

[2:23:46] Voice 16: is no yeah there's

[2:23:48] Voice 16: no requirement for notification with a development permit okay

[2:23:50] Voice 15: so we could get a professional opinion

[2:23:53] Voice 15: though whether or not a decommissioning of the road would be adequate you

[2:23:57] Voice 16: could ask for either

[2:23:58] Voice 16: for a new report that basically an addendum that speaks to what the impacts of the removal of the

[2:24:05] Voice 16: the road would be and recommended mitigation so it may say yeah this is a good idea but or it may

[2:24:14] Voice 16: say just leave it but um because it's not overly explicit in the current environmental assessment

[2:24:21] Voice 16: i mean i think what that relies on was the point i made a bit earlier was that the road yes it goes

[2:24:27] Voice 16: through the dpa but the the true ecosystem wasn't present where the road is so but the applicant

[2:24:39] Voice 15: at the time wasn't aware of that absolutely

[2:24:43] Voice 16: not yeah so

[2:24:43] Voice 15: it was a riparian area at the time of

[2:24:45] Voice 15: destruction

[2:24:46] Voice 16: yeah yeah and it's still a designated development permit area so it's within the scope

[2:24:51] Voice 16: of uh you know your conditions to apply further conditions within the dpa um but it would have to

[2:24:58] Voice 16: to be within the dpa if that makes sense not you know take the whole road

[2:25:02] Voice 16: out for instance that

[2:25:03] Voice 15: makes sense i appreciate you clarifying that yeah thank

[2:25:05] Voice 15: you so

[2:25:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): as always as we talked about earlier

[2:25:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): one of your options is always to ask for more information or more before you grant uh any kind

[2:25:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): of and i think that's not that's one of the options laid out in the staff report as opposed to

[2:25:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): um granting or refusing any documents so that's what you're looking for yeah

[2:25:28] Voice 15: i think i would like

[2:25:29] Voice 15: to make a motion that we uh let me pull up that recommendation um

[2:25:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry it'll be the last part

[2:25:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the scotch report yeah

[2:25:43] Voice 15: i'm just going through the environmental assessment uh here we go um

[2:25:56] Voice 10: oh

[2:25:56] Voice 15: thanks yeah

[2:25:58] Voice 10: yeah

[2:26:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's the first of the alternatives at the top of page if that if

[2:26:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's what you're asking for if you want to add further conditions there's another there's another

[2:26:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): motion in number two it depends on which way you want to go well

[2:26:12] Voice 15: i think it's a good point

[2:26:13] Voice 15: that planner testimony had that it might not be the best approach uh so i couldn't find the motion

[2:26:23] Voice 15: but i'd like to make it

[2:26:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): um it's under number one and it starts that the galley island local trust

[2:26:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): can we request the applicant submit to the islands trust a report indicating what that

[2:26:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): whether

[2:26:40] Voice 16: an addendum i would say an addendum to the environmental assessment um that would um assess

[2:26:48] Voice 16: the impacts of removing the road within development permit area one yeah

[2:26:54] Voice 15: is

[2:26:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): that sort of what you're

[2:26:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): adding aiming for interesting yeah

[2:26:57] Voice 15: that'd be good thank you okay

[2:27:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's see if carly got that

[2:27:03] Voice 14: um yep i got it thanks it requested the applicant submit to the islands trust an

[2:27:07] Voice 14: addendum to the environmental assessment that looks at the impacts of removing the

[2:27:11] Voice 14: road within the development permit area one can

[2:27:14] Voice 16: i sorry can i just add to that it should say and

[2:27:16] Voice 16: mitigative measures as well so impacts and recommendations for mitigated mitigation i

[2:27:23] Voice 16: guess would be the right word okay okay so thanks

[2:27:28] Voice 15: for your help with that yeah

[2:27:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that's trustee

[2:27:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): Rockefeller's motion trustee Wilkerson are you seconding that or you've got something you want

[2:27:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes you're seconding that

[2:27:35] Voice 10: okay

[2:27:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh further discussion related to that issue I think

[2:27:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): we've talked about a bit um so that's fine that's always you know I think we never should feel like

[2:27:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): we need have to do something today we can ask for more information so there's a motion all

[2:27:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): All in favor?

[2:27:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that passes.

[2:27:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): So given that, does anybody else want to do anything else?

[2:28:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Because this will eventually come back to us again

[2:28:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): when the extra addendum is provided.

[2:28:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, Trustee Wilkerson.

[2:28:11] Voice 7: I just think it's a good idea to go and take a look there.

[2:28:16] Voice 7: And this will give us the opportunity

[2:28:19] Voice 7: for you guys who didn't have the chance

[2:28:22] Voice 7: to actually go and have a look and maybe by you know toward the end of this summer dan you'll be

[2:28:29] Voice 7: able to be over here you know to do that yeah

[2:28:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): i can say the woodstone yeah the

[2:28:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): woodstone yeah

[2:28:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): i did

[2:28:38] Voice 7: have one more question just about uh to stephan and i'm just wondering

[2:28:45] Voice 7: uh what was the

[2:28:47] Voice 7: purpose of the berm there what was your your uh plan well

[2:28:54] Voice 19: that was going to be kind of like like

[2:28:55] Voice 19: where i bring all the logs we're going to cut them up there okay

[2:29:00] Voice 7: but that was the landing but i wasn't

[2:29:02] Voice 7: sure about the berm which is now

[2:29:04] Voice 19: yeah yeah because it's um actually i was going to put rock down

[2:29:09] Voice 19: there and stuff like that and then i got shut down so that i could work on it so that stopped

[2:29:19] Voice 7: what were what were you going to do out there i'm just curious because i i can't quite envisage

[2:29:26] Voice 7: well

[2:29:26] Voice 19: i was farming there i wanted to farm in there okay

[2:29:30] Voice 7: okay yeah

[2:29:32] Voice 19: okay

[2:29:33] Voice 7: all

[2:29:33] Voice 19: that kind of stuff and some crops and okay

[2:29:39] Voice 7: thank you so

[2:29:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): let me just ask this question

[2:29:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustees are there any other motions or considerations you want to raise at this

[2:29:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): stage related to uh the proposal i mean it will come back to us and so we'll be able to talk about

[2:29:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): it again and you can look at it more fulsomely.

[2:30:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustee i assume planner just know you don't need anything else no

[2:30:03] Voice 16: i can uh communicate um with

[2:30:05] Voice 16: stefan on what we need and we'll figure out if he wants to continue with the current qep or we can

[2:30:13] Voice 16: give him a list of other biologists on the southern gulf islands as well okay yeah

[2:30:19] Voice 19: well um the final

[2:30:20] Voice 19: qep or whatever yeah just make sure

[2:30:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): we do so um so yes so stefan we're going to we're we're sort

[2:30:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): sort of done with your application for today.

[2:30:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): It'll come

[2:30:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): back to us.

[2:30:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): We've asked you for some more information

[2:30:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I'm sure Planner Testimel can tell you

[2:30:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): what it is we need.

[2:30:38] Voice 19: And Jane, believe me, I want to get this done

[2:30:40] Voice 19: as quickly as you'd like it to have done.

[2:30:43] Voice 19: Okay,

[2:30:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): so thank you very much for your time.

[2:30:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): As I said, Planner Testimel can provide you

[2:30:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): with any information you need and thank you for joining us.

[2:30:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'm glad we

[2:30:54] Voice 20: were able to

[2:30:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): get you on the line.

[2:30:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): So if we can move him back

[2:30:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the attendees and out of the panelists,

[2:31:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): that would be great.

[2:31:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that we can move on with our agenda.

[2:31:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is everybody okay to keep going?

[2:31:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes.

[2:31:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): So just making sure we're, I can still hear him.

[2:31:26] Voice 11: Yes, I have, okay, the phone.

[2:31:29] Voice 11: Everything's

[2:31:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): a little slow today.

[2:31:31] Voice 11: Yes, yes.

[2:31:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): So the next item on the agenda

[2:31:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): is a deferred motion to read Golly.

[2:31:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we're going to ask Trustee Rockefeller

[2:31:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): to recuse herself briefly.

[2:31:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): And this arises out of the minutes from the last meeting

[2:31:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): where we, one of the motions that was on the agenda,

[2:31:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm just going up to find the minutes

[2:31:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): so I have it accurately,

[2:31:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): was to have a community information meeting.

[2:32:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes, it's on page nine in the minutes.

[2:32:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): It was moved and seconded that the Galleon Local Trust

[2:32:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): defer recommendation four regarding scheduling communication meeting electronically on

[2:32:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): application jlrz galley to the july local meeting so here we are and i guess uh planner smith well

[2:32:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you i think we're i think that's all your matter thank you

[2:32:26] Voice 16: thanks just saying goodbye yeah

[2:32:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): thanks very much sorry anyway thanks for your help um fire smith um you want to uh add anything

[2:32:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): think, provide some context to that and your thoughts on whether we're ready to have a CIM

[2:32:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): on DALI?

[2:32:45] Voice 13: Sure. Thanks, Chair Rogers. First, I'd like you to pass a resolution of no ice cream

[2:32:49] Voice 13: bars during public meetings without sharing with others. That's a joke, of course.

[2:32:57] Voice 13: looks good my

[2:32:58] Voice 7: apologies are you still

[2:33:02] Voice 24: eating lunch

[2:33:03] Voice 7: i'm still eating lunch because i had to

[2:33:06] Voice 7: run around and find a place where there was wi-fi so i missed my lunch altogether

[2:33:10] Voice 7: i'm

[2:33:11] Voice 13: eating fresh peas from the garden so i'm happy um just teasing of course um with respect

[2:33:19] Voice 13: to gala i can provide a quick update of where the application is at and then my thoughts around the

[2:33:24] Voice 13: yeah i am and thanks for bringing this onto the agenda as we did miss it um so um i had a meeting

[2:33:30] Voice 13: with galley last week we talked about the water reports william and i have had an opportunity to

[2:33:35] Voice 13: review all of the materials they provided in some detail including the three water management

[2:33:42] Voice 13: reports the submission from the province the technical memo from the province with respect

[2:33:49] Voice 13: back to their license as well as their water management plan. William and I have come to

[2:33:56] Voice 13: the conclusion that their pump testing of their source well, there's two samples that have been

[2:34:04] Voice 13: done by them and many other tests done in the past 10-15 years that all pretty much come to

[2:34:10] Voice 13: the same conclusions around two to four gallons per minute. So our conclusion is that no more

[2:34:14] Voice 13: pump testing of the source well is required we did talk they have now installed reinstalled the data

[2:34:21] Voice 13: logger and i talked to the applicant about the need to collect that data at least until

[2:34:26] Voice 13: you start to see that consistent spike in recharge and the understanding that once that is done

[2:34:35] Voice 13: they will provide a professional report or a letter from their hydrogeologist and staff will

[2:34:43] Voice 13: review that and provide additional advice or recommendations to ltc and then ltc will be in

[2:34:49] Voice 13: a position to decide if they want to do more water sampling or or whatever other discussions they may

[2:34:57] Voice 13: want to lead with water so that's on the waterfront on the water management planning front we've

[2:35:04] Voice 13: provided detailed comments from them and so they're taking those comments and adjusting them

[2:35:09] Voice 13: One of the recommendations we made was for an increase in emergency storage from the current 21,000 to 80,000 litres, and they've agreed to look at that and apply that to their plan, just to provide more emergency water in the case of issue with supply, a short term issue with supply.

[2:35:32] Voice 13: fly anyways is really what all that would be doing. And so the other outstanding piece is

[2:35:39] Voice 13: the ecological assessment and the number of recommendations in it that the applicant is

[2:35:44] Voice 13: making some amendments to their drawings and such to consider those changes or those suggested

[2:35:54] Voice 13: changes. With respect to the bylaws, I'm just actually kind of multitasking here working on

[2:36:01] Voice 13: on the draft by-law for this application.

[2:36:04] Voice 13: And once that's done, LTC did give direction

[2:36:08] Voice 13: with respect to the content of the draft by-law

[2:36:10] Voice 13: at the last meeting.

[2:36:12] Voice 13: So once we have a draft by-law in hand,

[2:36:15] Voice 13: it will be provided to the APC

[2:36:17] Voice 13: along with the other referral materials

[2:36:21] Voice 13: and staff can also initiate agency

[2:36:24] Voice 13: and early First Nation engagement with that by-law.

[2:36:29] Voice 13: and so the plan so I think those are kind of the three outstanding pieces the water management plan

[2:36:36] Voice 13: the updated design work and the the bylaw itself could all be brought back to LTC sometime perhaps

[2:36:45] Voice 13: in at the early September meeting and so I guess it's up to LTC with respect to the timing of a

[2:36:53] Voice 13: CIM I wouldn't recommend doing it before that and I guess it's up to LTC if they want to

[2:36:58] Voice 13: have that conversation with the community prior to having those additional water results in your

[2:37:07] Voice 13: hands or if you want to proceed sooner rather than that with of course the you know you could

[2:37:15] Voice 13: always schedule another CIM if you thought that was appropriate and so there's also a decision

[2:37:21] Voice 13: around whether it if we are going to try to pursue an electronic or in-person meeting may

[2:37:27] Voice 13: may also come into your thoughts.

[2:37:29] Voice 13: So I'll leave that with you there, Chair Rogers.

[2:37:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Wolverton, your thoughts.

[2:37:39] Voice 7: Sorry.

[2:37:40] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:37:42] Voice 7: I had a chance to talk with Brad this morning

[2:37:45] Voice 7: and we were looking at the possibility of a CIM

[2:37:49] Voice 7: in sort of toward the end of September

[2:37:53] Voice 7: when there would be more information at hand.

[2:37:56] Voice 7: um but to your comment about you could do one sooner we wouldn't have a lot of information yet

[2:38:03] Voice 7: i mean we'd have the the proposal but i i know that the applicants are working on a new site plan

[2:38:09] Voice 7: and um but maybe we can hear from the applicants about where they think they would be uh if we had

[2:38:17] Voice 7: to see i am sooner than that and

[2:38:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): then yeah there he is uh hello mr mobile um hello i moved you over

[2:38:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): is there anybody else you want moved over i don't know who else is uh necessarily on the call i'm

[2:38:34] Voice 24: sorry

[2:38:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): i didn't see anybody else i mean there's some folks i i don't know i

[2:38:38] Voice 24: think colleen is

[2:38:39] Voice 24: probably still on the call but i don't know and joanne they're they're both on uh the galley board

[2:38:45] Voice 24: But just to Jane's question there and further to what Brad was saying, yeah, we are working actively based on the suggestions that we got from Brad and William when we met with them.

[2:39:00] Voice 24: And also there was reference made to Keith Erickson's ecological assessment report.

[2:39:06] Voice 24: Of course, there was lots of new information and recommendations in Keith's report.

[2:39:11] Voice 24: So we're working with the architect and also the septic consulting engineer about, you know, making adjustments to the site plan. And as Brad was saying, our intention is to get revisions to those things in the water management plan and so on to trust staff.

[2:39:31] Voice 24: staff, you know, well in advance of the September meeting. So if timing works out, there could be an updated staff report at the September LTC meeting. So with regard to the timing for CIM, I mean, that's, I think, from Gali's point of view, we will have information, we already have lots of information to share with the community.

[2:39:58] Voice 24: virtually everything is now posted also on the LTC website on our project page

[2:40:04] Voice 24: so yes and of course people do have questions so we would welcome an opportunity to present

[2:40:12] Voice 24: in the form of a CIM as well as other ways the information that we have

[2:40:19] Voice 24: so in terms of timing of course that's about scheduling a CIM that that's really up to the

[2:40:26] Voice 24: the LTC but I think you know we're pretty much ready now but we will have some updated

[2:40:33] Voice 24: documentation around the water management plan and adjustments to the site plan

[2:40:39] Voice 24: you know soon but we don't have those just yet. Thank

[2:40:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): you for that let me just give you a few

[2:40:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): considerations from our point of view one is we already have a special meeting scheduled for

[2:40:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): September the 1st which we we're doing related to the water whatever it's whatever I'm sorry

[2:41:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): whatever it's called these days it's sort of a morph but that's Nerissa and Walt Williams

[2:41:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): Shulbaugh that we're doing on September the 1st and we have our our board meeting our LTC meeting

[2:41:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): on September the 7th just in case anybody doesn't know like most local governments uh you know a lot

[2:41:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): of things sort of slow down in august because that's when everybody takes their vacation um

[2:41:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): so we have no ltc meetings i think i have one meeting or two meetings throughout the whole

[2:41:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): month i'm going away for three weeks in august uh but you know covet win it willing uh that that's

[2:41:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): allowed anyway uh so i'm i'm gonna just say on behalf of status probably september 7th is

[2:41:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): is probably a bit ambitious for a CIM.

[2:41:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I guess one of the questions for you, Trustee Wolverton

[2:41:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): is do you see it as a standalone?

[2:41:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you see it as an in-person?

[2:41:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you see it as a, yeah,

[2:41:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): or do you see it attached to a local trust committee meeting

[2:42:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): given we do have two other fairly large applications

[2:42:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): which may or may not be on our agenda

[2:42:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): in September and October.

[2:42:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): over so your thoughts are obviously very important my

[2:42:17] Voice 7: feeling is if we did an in-person CIM toward

[2:42:21] Voice 7: the end of September and the work from there resulted in you know whatever changes or questions

[2:42:31] Voice 7: then the next CIM possibly could be in conjunction with a public hearing and then that would

[2:42:42] Voice 7: if things are satisfactory that would move things along.

[2:42:48] Voice 7: I mean, if we don't have like a standalone CIM to me,

[2:42:56] Voice 7: seems like it gives the community an opportunity

[2:42:59] Voice 7: to come in to the hall and to look at the maps

[2:43:02] Voice 7: and to look at all the information,

[2:43:04] Voice 7: have that discussion and be ready then

[2:43:08] Voice 7: and to deal with this matter perhaps in a local,

[2:43:14] Voice 7: an LTC meeting as I see I am in public hearing.

[2:43:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm going to just throw a date at you.

[2:43:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): Just looking at my calendar.

[2:43:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): If you're talking about the end of September,

[2:43:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm going to throw September the 28th on the table

[2:43:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): because it's the day after my main LTC.

[2:43:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I could come from Maine to Galeano

[2:43:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): and just stay the night and be there

[2:43:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): and not have to travel more than once

[2:43:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): because

[2:43:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're all assuming that we're going to be

[2:43:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): in person by then

[2:43:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): so

[2:43:51] Voice 7: that's an option

[2:43:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): the only problem with that is

[2:43:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): whatever comes out of that will not

[2:43:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): be ready for the

[2:43:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): next LTC which is on the 4th

[2:44:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): of October

[2:44:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is only 6 days

[2:44:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): away

[2:44:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): so

[2:44:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah Planner Smith

[2:44:09] Voice 13: I just make the point that in the past, before COVID, most CIMs and public hearings of this nature would be held on a weekend. And so you may want to consider if you're thinking about an in-person meeting. And if, well, that's up to you, of course, but that's just a point to raise.

[2:44:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that would be fine as well. I have nothing booked on the 25th or 26th as well.

[2:44:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): i mean the 26

[2:44:38] Voice 7: could work for me i i'm actually going to be trying to try to do a little camping

[2:44:43] Voice 7: in in there somewhere so

[2:44:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's a sunday is the only is that a challenge on galliano or for staff

[2:44:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): to travel on a sunday i mean i know it's a challenge the weekends period but

[2:44:56] Voice 10: i

[2:44:58] Voice 7: don't

[2:44:59] Voice 7: know the new schedule or the schedule for that time but the 26 could work um that way you could

[2:45:08] Voice 7: be here stay over and go to maine yeah

[2:45:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's just the opposite of what i was doing but i

[2:45:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): i i really

[2:45:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): hesitate to ask staff to commit to a day it's one thing to ask them to take a saturday but it's

[2:45:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): another thing to ask them to take a sunday what

[2:45:24] Voice 13: about october 2nd because just in terms of

[2:45:31] Voice 13: timelines so of course we'll be preparing for that october 4th agenda up to about

[2:45:37] Voice 13: the 21st or

[2:45:38] Voice 13: whatever so there's always a lot of work before agenda um and uh i don't see well even if we did

[2:45:46] Voice 13: it september 25th it's not going to be on the october 4th agenda and so i would say the next

[2:45:51] Voice 13: time we would be we would be bringing it back would be at the very earliest november 8th

[2:45:59] Voice 13: and so potentially on november 8th depending on where the water recharge

[2:46:03] Voice 13: charge, uh, um, assessment is, and I'm sure that the applicant will be looking to speed their,

[2:46:11] Voice 13: um, professional along to provide that, uh, assessment. Um, so then, uh, November 8th or

[2:46:20] Voice 13: December 6th, potentially you could be in a position to have all that information available

[2:46:24] Voice 13: and to further consider with the thought that, uh, in early September, um, well, so staff would

[2:46:32] Voice 13: have a bylaw referral crafted and referrals completed to agencies and First Nations.

[2:46:39] Voice 13: We would likely have APC referral completed by that CIM date. We would

[2:46:48] Voice 13: also have the updated information from the applicant to provide to LTC and so I think

[2:46:56] Voice 13: that's probably my view of timing is being best around that period.

[2:47:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): Mr. Hubbell, do you want to chime in at all here?

[2:47:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): I know it's our schedule, but I just want to give you the opportunity to join in.

[2:47:14] Voice 24: Well, obviously, from our point of view, as I said before, we're ready to speak to the community now.

[2:47:22] Voice 24: And we will continue to accumulate information and assemble it and share it.

[2:47:29] Voice 24: And the stuff that is submitted to the trust, of course, the trust can post on their website.

[2:47:36] Voice 24: But whatever date you pick, we will make work for us, obviously.

[2:47:44] Voice 7: Just backing up on, is there a date in August that works for you, Chair Rogers?

[2:47:57] Voice 13: In my view, LTC would be better served to receive that information

[2:48:03] Voice 13: and to consider the bylaw in a formal way

[2:48:07] Voice 13: and to have all the referrals and everything done.

[2:48:10] Voice 13: And given where we're at now,

[2:48:11] Voice 13: all of that work wouldn't be completed by August.

[2:48:15] Voice 13: So if you're looking for kind of a middle ground

[2:48:20] Voice 13: of a single comprehensive CIM

[2:48:23] Voice 13: that can provide all of that information as well

[2:48:29] Voice 13: and answer those questions with the thoughts

[2:48:31] Voice 13: that then you might just have one more

[2:48:33] Voice 13: that is in conjunction with your public hearing.

[2:48:37] Voice 13: I think in August would be a real push for staff as well.

[2:48:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, because the CIM is sort of a combination of staff

[2:48:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): saying where we're at in our process

[2:48:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the applicant saying what their vision is

[2:48:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): and what they've got planned

[2:48:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): and what they're planning to do.

[2:48:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): But it's really important that the community sees

[2:48:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): that where the trust is at

[2:48:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the local trust committee is at

[2:49:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): in terms of its planning,

[2:49:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's a housing agreement,

[2:49:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's whatever covenants it's talking about,

[2:49:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): how it's satisfied itself and i think i just think that august would be a push um i have i have

[2:49:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): any of pretty much any of the saturdays in uh later september that you might want uh i mean i

[2:49:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): could do the 25th um or we could look at august october the second was the date that i think

[2:49:31] Voice 13: 25th could be doable as well it's just then you're dealing with both agenda deadlines and

[2:49:36] Voice 13: but i mean for our from our perspective cam deadlines are less because uh it's more the

[2:49:42] Voice 13: applicant that's presenting most of the information but if especially if it's in person uh it becomes

[2:49:48] Voice 13: more complex certainly than it does um but i'll leave that was yeah either of those dates could

[2:49:56] Voice 13: work for me i think a

[2:49:58] Voice 13: saturday is better i think from our overtime perspective uh saturday is

[2:50:02] Voice 13: better as well i think sunday they have a different overtime schedule as well for us

[2:50:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah i'll bet

[2:50:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's true yeah

[2:50:08] Voice 7: okay um well okay maybe let's go with october 2nd uh and

[2:50:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): i assume that you agree

[2:50:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): with planner smith and we've had that feedback that you would rather have it on a weekend than

[2:50:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): on a weekday it's better yes yeah

[2:50:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): you'll have a lot more you'll have a lot of the other folks

[2:50:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): that aren't working and come over.

[2:50:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so then let's, why don't we,

[2:50:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you're okay with October the 2nd,

[2:50:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll put it in my calendar.

[2:50:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): And if you want to make a motion to request staff

[2:50:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): to schedule a community information meeting

[2:50:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): for this application for October the 2nd.

[2:50:53] Voice 7: Yeah, okay, I'll make that motion to ask staff

[2:50:57] Voice 7: to schedule a CIM for the Galliano Green application

[2:51:02] Voice 7: for October 2nd I'll

[2:51:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): second that um yeah we can work out the timing of it later okay

[2:51:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean it'll depend a bit on ferries I can't remember what who knows what Saturday ferries

[2:51:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): are going to be like that time uh I think they're earlier I think they're earlier in the day than

[2:51:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): they are in the weekdays generally aren't they and

[2:51:27] Voice 7: so planner Smith you think then that you would

[2:51:29] Voice 7: have uh all that you need to be presenting for a november 8th ltc if if we were to hold a cim

[2:51:41] Voice 7: on november 8th

[2:51:44] Voice 13: uh it depends on the recharge rate of the water data logger that you have and so

[2:51:52] Voice 13: presuming the applicant and i'm clear i think that they will have the water management plan

[2:51:59] Voice 13: that is more or less that LTC and staff are comfortable with.

[2:52:03] Voice 13: We've provided detailed comments on that now.

[2:52:06] Voice 13: The updated proposal, presuming that and all the referrals are done

[2:52:12] Voice 13: and all of that falls into place, yes,

[2:52:16] Voice 13: then I think the only outstanding thing after that would be LTC decisions

[2:52:21] Voice 13: around the questions of water and water sustainability

[2:52:28] Voice 13: availability and appropriate density, et cetera.

[2:52:31] Voice 7: I mean, that would give us more time to have a

[2:52:33] Voice 7: little more water. Going with the second gives us a little more water information.

[2:52:38] Voice 13: And Mr. Kohut

[2:52:39] Voice 13: could have some, I mean, they've been really proactive and they've already got their data

[2:52:43] Voice 13: logger in place. So Mr. Kohut could provide some preliminary results perhaps by then as well, Mike?

[2:52:51] Voice 24: Yeah, if that's what the LTC wants, we can get the logger, you know, pulled in time to have

[2:52:57] Voice 24: have information for the CIM, or if we want to leave it in through early part of October and

[2:53:06] Voice 24: get it pulled in time to provide, I don't know, two or three more weeks of data for the November

[2:53:12] Voice 24: LTC meeting, you know, whatever seems to make most sense.

[2:53:17] Voice 13: But I would say most other things

[2:53:19] Voice 13: could all be queued up at the September meeting and then through the completion of your CIM and

[2:53:26] Voice 13: And the applicant's been so proactive in this case

[2:53:28] Voice 13: with providing all the detailed materials up front

[2:53:31] Voice 13: that there's less back and forth needed at this point.

[2:53:35] Voice 13: So we can move a little bit quicker, I think.

[2:53:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, thank you.

[2:53:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we've got a motion that's been seconded.

[2:53:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm sure Carly got it.

[2:53:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): And do you have anything further you want to say

[2:53:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): in relation to that motion, Trustee Wolverton?

[2:53:48] Voice 7: No.

[2:53:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'll call the vote.

[2:53:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's been passed unanimously.

[2:53:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you very much.

[2:53:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think that's the only item on our agenda related to this particular application um that was left

[2:54:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): over from last time so thank you for the update and thank you for the update mr coble i very much

[2:54:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): appreciate your attendance and i think we'll move to the next matter okay thank you thank you and

[2:54:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): that means you have to step down for a moment trustee wolverton uh and we need to get trustee

[2:54:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): rockefeller back okay

[2:54:19] Voice 7: i've just sent her a note perfect

[2:54:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i will

[2:54:23] Voice 9: leave welcome back

[2:54:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): so uh this is 13.5 the addition to the agenda trustee rockefeller you want to talk about um

[2:54:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh giggers and gray water i guess i think let's just wait and see what you have what it is you'd

[2:55:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): like to speak about before i ask a representative of the giggers to attend unless you tell me in

[2:55:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): advance you think they should be here um

[2:55:09] Voice 15: i'm i don't know if they i don't know if they would

[2:55:12] Voice 15: like to comment it's fine i haven't spoken with them about this i have a bit but not a lot okay

[2:55:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): so well i know that uh colleen and dodie is here and not sure if lisa's still with us or not uh

[2:55:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): still on the call um but we can move we can move miss dodie over and anyway what we have a motion

[2:55:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): pen outstanding related to this issue it's not on our agenda but you wanted to talk about so what's

[2:55:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): up um

[2:55:39] Voice 15: the giggers contacted me separately and they said they asked if um what was behind my

[2:55:47] Voice 15: intention for the motion and i was i just brought it made it clear that it was in regards to the

[2:55:52] Voice 15: gardens it was not gray water for the main use in the house the houses or anything um and the

[2:55:59] Voice 15: they suggested they would prefer rather to explore the gray water option to just reduce the garden

[2:56:05] Voice 15: size and it because that was my intention and also it was also made known to me that the CRD

[2:56:16] Voice 15: prohibits or frowns upon the use of gray water for vegetable gardens which also was my intent

[2:56:23] Voice 15: that I would I think I would like to withdraw or what's that word

[2:56:29] Voice 9: rescind

[2:56:30] Voice 15: rescind my motion

[2:56:32] Voice 15: from the last meeting in regards to Greywater and then add um uh another covenant uh motion

[2:56:42] Voice 15: okay

[2:56:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): um all right uh so let's go to that I I um I also had some conversation related to the motion

[2:56:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I'm conscious of the fact that I have mentioned

[2:57:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): in these public meetings that there was a Greywater part

[2:57:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the project on Gabriola that I've been the chair on

[2:57:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): that we had approved and that was for their landscaping.

[2:57:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): But I acknowledge if I didn't acknowledge the prior

[2:57:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): to in this public LCC setting that that was an application

[2:57:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): that did not have a food garden component to it.

[2:57:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): It was simply a landscaping tool that they anticipated

[2:57:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): that there would be substantive landscaping

[2:57:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): that would need to be done.

[2:57:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): And they were utilizing it as the tool

[2:57:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the water source for that landscaping,

[2:57:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): but not for a food garden.

[2:57:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we'd have to find,

[2:57:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): we have to go back to the last minutes

[2:57:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): and find the motion that you would like to rescind.

[2:57:56] Voice 15: I could probably find those

[2:57:58] Voice 9: at the top here.

[2:58:11] Voice 9: It's-

[2:58:15] Voice 14: Down page 10 of the package.

[2:58:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): It is.

[2:58:18] Voice 14: Thanks, Carly.

[2:58:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): So this was to request they prepare

[2:58:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): a gray water recycling feasibility study.

[2:58:28] Voice 15: Yeah, so I would move that the Galliano

[2:58:31] Voice 15: I know a local trust committee rescinds motion GL 2021-043

[2:58:39] Voice 15: that requests the applicants to prepare

[2:58:45] Voice 15: a gray water recycling feasibility study.

[2:58:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, I'm going to second that for discussion.

[2:58:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): So let's move to the second.

[2:58:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): So my understanding is because of the fact

[2:58:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): that you were thinking your view was it should be utilized

[2:59:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the food garden and now you're satisfied that it effectively can't be used for the food garden

[2:59:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): it

[2:59:08] Voice 15: was also yeah it was also just to keep in line with their water management plan because

[2:59:12] Voice 15: the it stated they didn't have enough water for the gardens so i was just trying to

[2:59:19] Voice 15: uh bring all that into compliance with each other kind of and i think planter smith has

[2:59:23] Voice 15: the note there yeah

[2:59:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): i see his hand up yeah go ahead planter smith

[2:59:27] Voice 13: just help to clarify for

[2:59:28] Voice 13: trustee rockefeller so at the last meeting trustee rockefeller uh pointed out that the proposed

[2:59:35] Voice 13: irrigation volume that was required to irrigate their gardens exceeded what they were proposing

[2:59:41] Voice 13: in rainwater catchment so she sought to close that gap by them completing a gray water study to

[2:59:49] Voice 13: ensure that irrigation needs are met by uh not or not met by groundwater and so in further discussion

[2:59:58] Voice 13: with the applicant.

[3:00:00] Voice 13: with more digging with the crd it is true that the crd does not recommends to not use

[3:00:06] Voice 13: gray water for food crops and the applicant is basically subsequently proposing to instead of

[3:00:15] Voice 13: doing a gray water study they will reduce their garden size to the volume that is proposed in

[3:00:21] Voice 13: in their rainwater catchment system.

[3:00:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[3:00:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): So again, if we don't,

[3:00:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): the plan will be not to utilize groundwater

[3:00:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): but rather rainwater catchment.

[3:00:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): So you don't have that gap anymore.

[3:00:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, trust me.

[3:00:39] Voice 15: And I'm going to capture that in my next motion.

[3:00:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, all right, okay, thank you.

[3:00:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that explains that.

[3:00:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): So the motion has been moved and seconded.

[3:00:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh you wish to say anything more about your work no and

[3:00:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'll call the vote all in favor so that

[3:00:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): passes so that is rescinds that motion and now you have a subsequent motion you'd like to make

[3:01:03] Voice 15: yeah um just because they don't plan on using groundwater for the gardens i think that's great

[3:01:09] Voice 15: and i'll just i thought it would be great to include that in the section 219 covenant to

[3:01:13] Voice 15: restrict the groundwater usage from any garden use okay

[3:01:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): so um i'll just ask planner smith if there's

[3:01:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): any considerations about putting something a restriction like that in the section 219 covenant

[3:01:30] Voice 13: that's an it's an appropriate covenant use for restricting groundwater use to only the volume

[3:01:38] Voice 13: that's required for the units and prohibiting groundwater use for the gardens is a valid

[3:01:45] Voice 13: section 219 covenant approach thanks

[3:01:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): for that so let's go to carly and see where she got to

[3:01:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): in terms of emulsion okay

[3:01:55] Voice 14: i said that the galliano island local trustee committee

[3:01:57] Voice 14: restricts groundwater usage from any garden use in a section 219 covenant yeah

[3:02:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): and so maybe what

[3:02:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): What you should do is to say, request staff to include

[3:02:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the section 219 covenant being prepared,

[3:02:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): a restriction on the use of groundwater

[3:02:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): for irrigation purposes, something like that.

[3:02:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's just about perfect.

[3:02:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): Something just like that.

[3:02:31] Voice 13: It's John, Mr. Chair.

[3:02:32] Voice 13: chair okay so

[3:02:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's been moved uh if you've got it now carly uh and i'll second that uh so that's

[3:02:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): great so we closed the gap a different way so yeah i

[3:02:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): mean in my view it's great uh so i'll uh i'll um

[3:02:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh call question all in favor unless you want to say anything further no

[3:02:53] Voice 15: i appreciate the

[3:02:54] Voice 15: applicants continuing to work towards a plan with us that's great i really do thanks

[3:03:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay all in

[3:03:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): All in favor?

[3:03:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): That passes unanimously.

[3:03:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there anything else?

[3:03:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's nothing else on our agenda regarding Giggers.

[3:03:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I think I didn't see anything else

[3:03:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): that you wish to talk about.

[3:03:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we'll move off that agenda

[3:03:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we'll bring Trustee Wolverton back.

[3:03:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're at 14 now, but it seems to me

[3:03:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): that subject to what occurs,

[3:03:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): well, there's some new items at 16,

[3:03:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): but the other matter should go fairly quickly.

[3:03:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then there's just the town then there's the town hall at the end of the discussion around the

[3:03:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): next meeting is someone texting jane i

[3:03:36] Voice 15: did she hasn't replied yet yeah

[3:03:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): well that's fine she'll

[3:03:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): be here the next item is 14.1 which is um on page 89 of the agenda for uh those watching at home

[3:03:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): or

[3:03:51] Voice 9: wherever you might be she's

[3:03:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): finishing up i didn't even see i didn't even notice she was

[3:04:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): was eating an ice cream bar she was she was eating an ice cream bar while you were recused

[3:04:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): i

[3:04:07] Voice 15: noticed she started it before i left

[3:04:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh i didn't even notice so staff pointed it out

[3:04:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): being being astute and and uh aware of

[3:04:19] Voice 9: unfairness thank

[3:04:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): you to the 12 attendees uh

[3:04:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): remain with us and there she is uh okay thank you for that uh we're now at 14.1

[3:04:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): and this is the uh uh our bylaw number 275 brought back to us

[3:04:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): as well as another recommendation trust planner smith

[3:04:55] Voice 13: thanks chair rogers so not really a lot to add to this it's the uh bringing back of bylaw 275 which

[3:05:02] Voice 13: is uh limiting the ability of uh of the ltc to issue uh temporary use permits for short-term

[3:05:10] Voice 13: for implication rental uses.

[3:05:12] Voice 13: It's completed executive committee and ministerial approval

[3:05:15] Voice 13: given it's a OCP amendments.

[3:05:17] Voice 13: And now it's before LTC for consideration

[3:05:21] Voice 13: of a fourth reading and adoption.

[3:05:23] Voice 13: And also you have the two outstanding standing resolutions

[3:05:29] Voice 13: with respect to STVRs that staff are recommending

[3:05:31] Voice 13: that you resent.

[3:05:33] Voice 10: Okay, come on.

[3:05:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Any questions from trustees or I may want to make a motion.

[3:05:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): Go ahead, trustee Walton.

[3:05:49] Voice 7: I'll move that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[3:05:52] Voice 7: bylaw number 275 cited as Galliano Island

[3:05:56] Voice 7: official community plan bylaw number 108,

[3:05:59] Voice 7: 1995 amendment number 12020 be adopted.

[3:06:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there a seconder?

[3:06:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, any discussion from either of you?

[3:06:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, all in favor?

[3:06:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh yeah, is there a discussion?

[3:06:11] Voice 15: I just wanted to thank the planner and the community

[3:06:13] Voice 15: for working so hard and actually completing a small project.

[3:06:17] Voice 15: So thank you.

[3:06:18] Voice 15: Yeah.

[3:06:19] Voice 15: Okay,

[3:06:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): all in favor?

[3:06:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): That passes unanimously.

[3:06:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's a second motion here.

[3:06:26] Voice 7: Okay, I can make it if you like.

[3:06:29] Voice 7: That the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[3:06:31] Voice 7: rescind standing resolutions 2019-057

[3:06:35] Voice 7: and 2016-000 and direct staff to remove them

[3:06:39] Voice 7: from the standing resolutions list.

[3:06:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there a seconder?

[3:06:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, any discussion from either of you?

[3:06:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): No, thank you very much, all in favor?

[3:06:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that passes.

[3:06:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you very much for the work on that so that's that's that project uh done next and then

[3:06:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): we got another one uh page 194 which is our technical review project uh and i don't know

[3:07:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): flyer smith do you have anything you wish to add to your staff report just

[3:07:08] Voice 13: in uh in echoing trustee

[3:07:11] Voice 13: rockefeller just uh proud to get these two projects done and uh move on to new things

[3:07:16] Voice 13: okay

[3:07:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): so is there uh anybody wish to say anything or questions or make a motion i'll

[3:07:22] Voice 15: make a motion

[3:07:22] Voice 15: uh that the galliano island local trust committee bylaw number 278 cited as galliano island land

[3:07:28] Voice 15: use bylaw 127 1999 amendment number 1 2021 be adopted is

[3:07:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): there a seconder okay any discussion

[3:07:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): if not i'll call the question all in favor i think uh that passes unanimously so that's great

[3:07:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Great. So we're at page 202 of the agenda. And here we are, we're at our top priorities report. And we've just finished number three. So that drops off.

[3:07:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): number two the question would be what i mean what we had set out to do is is done but i don't know

[3:08:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): if the affordable housing strategy has more elements to it and then we the groundwater

[3:08:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): sustainability project is um uh is uh coming to a september 1st meeting so that's the work in

[3:08:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): progress so i i guess the question is is do you have another element another aspect of number one

[3:08:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): one that you want to talk about and you want to add to our project list or what else would you

[3:08:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): like to add to our top priorities list and there you go this is your option to do this yes trustee

[3:08:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): um

[3:08:37] Voice 15: i was thinking that we should wait till september to talk about you know to give the

[3:08:46] Voice 15: planners a break to give us some time to like sit and think hear from the community maybe

[3:08:50] Voice 15: maybe something might come up or seem pressing.

[3:08:54] Voice 15: It's just an idea.

[3:08:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[3:08:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, there are 11 things on our projects list,

[3:09:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): but I don't know which one is going to percolate to the top

[3:09:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): or something new.

[3:09:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Wolverton, your view.

[3:09:10] Voice 7: Yes, so I'm hoping that we can begin to address aspects

[3:09:15] Voice 7: of number nine and sort of maybe be thinking

[3:09:18] Voice 7: as Trustee Rockefeller has said, between now and September

[3:09:21] Voice 7: of formulating some thoughts for a project in that area.

[3:09:29] Voice 7: But also I'm wondering about the rezoning of DL 87

[3:09:33] Voice 7: and whether that's a fairly, whether we can bring that back

[3:09:39] Voice 7: cause it was, there was already, it sort of got partway

[3:09:43] Voice 7: and whether that would be something

[3:09:45] Voice 7: something that could be also accomplished.

[3:09:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so there's two options.

[3:09:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): I heard Trustee Rockefeller say that she'd like

[3:09:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): to sort of think about this

[3:09:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): and come bring something to the table.

[3:10:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Of course, it's very unlikely

[3:10:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): that we're going to get a project outline from staff

[3:10:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): between now and September 7th, I'm guessing.

[3:10:11] Voice 7: Right, yeah, no, I'm not expecting that.

[3:10:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): So unless you really want to make a commitment

[3:10:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): to one of those two, which is fine with me,

[3:10:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): keeping in mind that as of September,

[3:10:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): you'll basically have a year left in this term.

[3:10:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): Because I think the election is early October,

[3:10:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): so 13 months.

[3:10:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): If you want to add something,

[3:10:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you want to commit to something,

[3:10:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): you should put it on.

[3:10:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): But if you want to think about it for six or seven weeks

[3:10:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): and make a commitment,

[3:10:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): but it'd be good to put something on the project

[3:10:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): Because the actual groundwater sustainability project is sort of a multi-LTC project.

[3:10:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's not really, I mean, I think it's North Pender and us, and I'm not sure who the other one is.

[3:11:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm not sure. I think there's another LTC that's working on it, but those two, and for sure.

[3:11:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): So it's sort of, and that's great.

[3:11:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): but um but are you okay with sort of waiting till september given that you've now flagged two

[3:11:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the two that you think and by the way i should say that the what's going on on um on both

[3:11:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): north pender and maine sort of fits right into number nine uh on on maine we're doing a we're

[3:11:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're doing a, for lack of a doubt, it's not exactly what this is, but it's sort of a tiny home project.

[3:11:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): But it's really what it's become is a distributed floor size project.

[3:11:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that's on our agenda again for 10 days from now.

[3:11:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I think on North Pender or South Pender, I'm not sure which, or maybe both, they're actually looking at maximum house sizes, like square footage.

[3:12:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): so we might be able to draw on some of the work they're doing on number nine

[3:12:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah trustee rocco um

[3:12:11] Voice 15: i guess yeah if trustee wolverton's looking at number nine um there is

[3:12:15] Voice 15: the lot coverage which would create a foundation for then looking at tiny homes and other possible

[3:12:22] Voice 15: uses of the the lot coverage so i would support looking at lock coverage yeah okay

[3:12:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): so the only

[3:12:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): question is we both we're all agreed on that and then i forget what the other one was this dl87

[3:12:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): but yeah do you want to put it on now or just wait until september you okay with them

[3:12:43] Voice 15: i could put it on now with trustee wolverton and chair rogers or okay

[3:12:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): then why don't we move uh

[3:12:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): i mean will they will one and three just drop off i get uh um automatically brad and uh or do we

[3:12:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): There you go, our PGM is going to set us on the right track.

[3:13:04] Voice 3: Yep, yep, they'll just be removed.

[3:13:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we don't have to make a motion to remove them.

[3:13:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): We can just make a motion to add number nine to our top priority list.

[3:13:12] Voice 3: Correct.

[3:13:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): Right.

[3:13:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Let's do that.

[3:13:16] Voice 15: And then should we specifically state the lot coverage aspect of number nine?

[3:13:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is that the point of it, the part that you want to look at?

[3:13:30] Voice 15: I think so.

[3:13:31] Voice 15: So that's, yeah, that's where it says like 25% of a residential lot can be covered, like that kind of stuff.

[3:13:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's sort of the alternative being maximum house size.

[3:13:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Because if, you know, if you say you can only have a 3,000 square foot home, but you've got a 40 acre property, if you, yeah.

[3:13:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): I thought

[3:13:57] Voice 15: I spoke with Planner Smith and there was drawbacks to the floor size, maximum house size.

[3:14:04] Voice 15: I

[3:14:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): expect there are drawbacks with everything, but yes.

[3:14:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anyway, I don't,

[3:14:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): I guess I, I don't know.

[3:14:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): You tell me what you want to do, but I'd probably put the whole number nine at our top priority.

[3:14:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then we can narrow it down if you decide once the staff has a chance to look at what our options might be.

[3:14:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): Does that make sense, Carpe?

[3:14:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah,

[3:14:27] Voice 15: that makes sense.

[3:14:27] Voice 15: sure sure um

[3:14:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay so let's get a motion to move number nine on the projects list

[3:14:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh to the top priorities before okay so planner sorry trustee wolverton made that motion

[3:14:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah

[3:14:47] Voice 7: i'll move it uh we move number nine which is the review of land use bylaw tiny home and

[3:14:54] Voice 7: trailer regulations maximum house sizes and lot coverage to our top priorities list

[3:15:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're okay with that okay

[3:15:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that's been moved in second all in favor

[3:15:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's fine i guess the question is is do you want to ask staff to do anything with that right now

[3:15:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): if if or or or um to scope the project or whatever what do you think our rpm could you

[3:15:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): you realistically

[3:15:24] Voice 3: probably the most we would come back in within september would be a project

[3:15:28] Voice 3: charter with a timeline but

[3:15:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that even realistic i just want to be i want to be absolutely clear i

[3:15:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): was i was clear with mr hobo august is the time when everybody goes away and we take a little

[3:15:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): down time is that realistic yeah

[3:15:44] Voice 3: probably better to wait till october yeah come back with a with

[3:15:47] Voice 3: with the report.

[3:15:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): Planner Smith has his hand up.

[3:15:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): Can't hear you, Brad.

[3:15:57] Voice 13: Just thinking with respect to,

[3:15:59] Voice 13: it would be good for staff to have some direction

[3:16:01] Voice 13: from LTC as to what their expectations are

[3:16:04] Voice 13: for that work within your term

[3:16:07] Voice 13: and some more clarity with respect to what you're looking at

[3:16:12] Voice 13: with those items.

[3:16:14] Voice 13: So maybe you could have a more fulsome discussion

[3:16:17] Voice 13: at the September meeting

[3:16:18] Voice 13: and then provide direction to staff then.

[3:16:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[3:16:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Wilberton?

[3:16:24] Voice 7: Yes, I just have a question for maybe for Mr. Kojima.

[3:16:31] Voice 7: Is there a fairly simple or straightforward way to get a list of the lot sizes on Galliano?

[3:16:42] Voice 7: You know, so there are so many that are 20 acres and so many that are 50.

[3:16:47] Voice 7: or um i'm just wondering if that information is in a database that could be uh easily accessed

[3:16:55] Voice 7: um

[3:16:56] Voice 3: it can be generated from the geographic information system um but it's not it's not

[3:17:02] Voice 1: readily

[3:17:03] Voice 3: available you'd have to put in put in a request with the with mapping and they could

[3:17:08] Voice 3: generate that

[3:17:08] Voice 7: okay okay because i mean for example um on my property which is just over eight acres

[3:17:17] Voice 7: I could cover 25% of it with structures that would be about 80,000 square

[3:17:23] Voice 7: feet of buildings, you know, and it,

[3:17:27] Voice 7: it seems not, not the best plan.

[3:17:34] Voice 7: At the moment we cover about 2% of the property.

[3:17:38] Voice 7: So it would be interesting to look at just the, you know,

[3:17:43] Voice 7: the larger and smaller properties,

[3:17:45] Voice 7: obviously the smaller properties would be would be different but um yeah typically

[3:17:51] Voice 3: when you get

[3:17:52] Voice 3: into looking at options and so on start generating some some data to support different scenarios and

[3:17:58] Voice 3: different um different scenarios i mean everyone's well aware that the lot coverage you know is

[3:18:04] Voice 3: ridiculous when you apply it to lots over a quarter acre or a third of an acre it starts

[3:18:10] Voice 3: to become ridiculous in terms of what it would allow um and yeah then you start you can look

[3:18:17] Voice 3: at scenarios like um maximum floor area changing lot coverage do you want to include impermeable

[3:18:23] Voice 3: surfaces in the calculation of lot coverage do you

[3:18:26] Voice 1: want to use

[3:18:26] Voice 3: a floor ratio um so yeah i mean

[3:18:30] Voice 3: there's some things some materials that's been created for north bender and south bender looking

[3:18:35] Voice 1: different

[3:18:35] Voice 3: different options and discussion discussion paper um so perhaps probably best

[3:18:40] Voice 3: to sort of distribute that to the local trustees first and start to do some do some sort of

[3:18:47] Voice 3: background background uh reading and then uh maybe have a bit more discussion in september

[3:18:52] Voice 3: because

[3:18:53] Voice 7: it sounded like the the paper on floor uh area ratio was that that that wasn't that

[3:18:59] Voice 7: applicable to rural environments that's

[3:19:02] Voice 3: that's sort of been the the conclusion that's been drawn

[3:19:04] Voice 3: on when looking at it for North Bender and South Bender,

[3:19:08] Voice 3: just because the lot sizes are so variable

[3:19:09] Voice 3: and scenarios are really variable.

[3:19:16] Voice 3: North Bender and South Bender are both looking

[3:19:18] Voice 3: at maximum floor area for houses based

[3:19:23] Voice 3: on different lot sizes.

[3:19:26] Voice 3: So, you know, up to a certain area,

[3:19:28] Voice 3: then the maximum size of X,

[3:19:30] Voice 3: and then you jump up to a larger house size

[3:19:32] Voice 3: on larger lots, basically a table.

[3:19:35] Voice 3: Okay, thank you.

[3:19:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so trustees, are we sort of agreed

[3:19:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): that we'll come back and try and redefine

[3:19:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): the project more fully for planner Smith in September?

[3:19:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, he'd like some guidance and fair enough

[3:19:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): as to what it is he'd like them to address.

[3:19:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): So let's move that item to the September 7th agenda

[3:20:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): for discussion under, I guess it'd be under work programs.

[3:20:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[3:20:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's all, that's agreed.

[3:20:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): We don't, we'll, I don't think you need a motion for that.

[3:20:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): We'll just put it there.

[3:20:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): Now we have the applications report,

[3:20:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is here starting at page 206.

[3:20:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): And are there any questions for the planners,

[3:20:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): planners about any of the applications

[3:20:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): that are on this list.

[3:20:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): We've dealt with some of them today.

[3:20:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): No, we have the standing resolutions,

[3:20:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): which we've just amended by taking some of them off.

[3:20:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Any questions or comments from other trustee

[3:20:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): related to that?

[3:20:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): I see nothing.

[3:20:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have the Conservancy report dated May 25th, 2021

[3:20:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): for our receipt.

[3:21:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): Can I just commend the Conservancy for their work

[3:21:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): and really recommend that people,

[3:21:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): we had a presentation at the last trust council

[3:21:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the Conservancy and they're doing a remarkable,

[3:21:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just saw a note that the 31st property

[3:21:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): has now been obtained by them

[3:21:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): as well as some NAPTEP covenants on North End.

[3:21:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): They're really doing remarkable work.

[3:21:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's that.

[3:21:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): Then we're at new business, business licenses.

[3:21:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): And this is the report we deferred from June the 1st from,

[3:21:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think it was Robert Kojima who was going to discuss this.

[3:21:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): And this is the report related to the request from a number of local trustees,

[3:21:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustees, whether you want to support the South Pinder request for them to pursue business license.

[3:22:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I haven't been part of that conversation except at the Maine Local Trust Committee.

[3:22:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): Correct.

[3:22:08] Voice 3: So a number, I think it's gone to all of the Southern Local Trust Committees and Salt

[3:22:13] Voice 3: Spring as well at this point. Most local trust committees have adopted a resolution similar

[3:22:19] Voice 3: similar to at least the first one um at least one has just i think at this point has just declined

[3:22:27] Voice 3: to that

[3:22:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): would be me yeah um so

[3:22:35] Voice 3: yeah it's really up to the local trust committee you know just

[3:22:37] Voice 3: sort of correlating the resolutions from local trust committees and then we'll forward it to

[3:22:41] Voice 3: i think it's going to go to ec next and be forwarded to the crd but i think in the meantime

[3:22:45] Voice 3: i've heard that the crd is starting to look at the issue right because they would be the

[3:22:50] Voice 3: the ones to implement business licensing.

[3:22:52] Voice 3: Right.

[3:22:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): So just because there was a question that we received

[3:22:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): from both of the main LTC and from someone on Galliano,

[3:23:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): even if this was implemented,

[3:23:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): this does not enable short-term vacation rentals

[3:23:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): if the zoning does not allow it, correct?

[3:23:14] Voice 3: Correct, yeah, this is the best way to think

[3:23:16] Voice 3: of a business licensing system

[3:23:18] Voice 3: is like it's an administrative tool um zoning has to permit the use to occur um and um if it's

[3:23:27] Voice 3: consistent with the use then and other um requirements like building code then um

[3:23:35] Voice 3: the business would get a business license if they don't comply with the conditions of the

[3:23:42] Voice 3: business license or they're not complying with zoning then the business license can be revoked

[3:23:48] Voice 3: So it's a little more flexible than say a temporary use permit is and so for example

[3:23:55] Voice 3: on Galliano where your regulations you've just adopted the bylaws so the only option

[3:24:01] Voice 3: for vacation rental now is as a home business so you have to be operate you have to comply

[3:24:08] Voice 3: with the home business regulations in the land use bylaw before an STVR could get a

[3:24:15] Voice 3: business license.

[3:24:15] Voice 3: right

[3:24:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): so right and and this is not as simple just a matter of the crd deciding no no there's a they

[3:24:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): have to get the province to give them the authority to do it

[3:24:30] Voice 3: correct only one other

[3:24:32] Voice 3: regional district in bc has business licensing at this point the central okanagan and i my

[3:24:38] Voice 3: understanding is that was before west came from the days before west colonna incorporated

[3:24:44] Voice 3: incorporated, and Central Okanagan Regional District included all that area on the west

[3:24:48] Voice 3: side of Okanagan Lake, sort of lots of businesses and quite a developed area.

[3:24:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so trustees, what do you want to do with this?

[3:25:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Rothkopf?

[3:25:05] Voice 7: Go ahead, Trustee Wolverton.

[3:25:07] Voice 7: No, I was going to make a motion, but why don't you...

[3:25:11] Voice 7: No, go ahead.

[3:25:13] Voice 7: I was going to do a variation of the South Pender motion and say something to the effect of, whereas the Galliano Local Island Local Trust Committee has implemented policies to regulate and manage short-term vacation rentals on Galliano Island,

[3:25:33] Voice 7: the local trust committee lacks the full range of tools

[3:25:36] Voice 7: for enforcement and administration of vacation rentals.

[3:25:41] Voice 7: And then follow up with that is therefore

[3:25:44] Voice 7: the Galliano Island local trust committee

[3:25:46] Voice 7: requests the capital regional district

[3:25:49] Voice 7: explore the implementation of business licensing

[3:25:51] Voice 7: for tourist accommodation and specifically

[3:25:55] Voice 7: for short-term vacation rentals.

[3:26:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): So the motion is started that therefore

[3:26:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): the rest is a preamble.

[3:26:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I guess the question

[3:26:07] Voice 10: is, the

[3:26:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): question is, is that the motion starts at requests capital.

[3:26:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): OK, so there's a motion on the floor. Seconded. Is there a discussion?

[3:26:25] Voice 7: Well, I mean, I think if we had, I mean, you know, business licensing, it would it really would help us

[3:26:34] Voice 7: um kind of bring parity in a way between all of the different uh tourist accommodation that is

[3:26:43] Voice 7: that is on the island and also give us a picture of the volume of that licensing or of those

[3:26:49] Voice 7: numbers and you know i think that would be very helpful information for our community

[3:26:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay any further discussion related to the motion trustee rockefeller nothing so i'll ask a question

[3:27:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): so if there's no other discussion i don't really have uh anything i know the crd has not been open

[3:27:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): to that uh to date but perhaps they will and i think it'll be more of an issue in other islands

[3:27:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): where uh where they use tups or other focus but um it seems to me it's oh yeah

[3:27:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): i would just

[3:27:24] Voice 13: add that i've in my five years at municipal affairs uh this question came up a lot

[3:27:29] Voice 13: with regional districts and unincorporated areas seeking ways to regulate activities that they

[3:27:35] Voice 13: don't have licensing authority for and they really do run into dead ends and there's very little

[3:27:41] Voice 13: interest provincially or the regional district or mine and so i think the pushback at the crd level

[3:27:47] Voice 13: would be probably in their recognition that it's a really difficult and challenging approval and

[3:27:53] Voice 13: And I think Robert's right that the specific particulars of central Okanagan and the West Bank and being such more or less a city for a long time forced the provincial hand there.

[3:28:05] Voice 13: But so it would it will not be an easy road and it's been tried many times.

[3:28:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's fine.

[3:28:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): um uh if there is a new short-term rental report going to the province that i on that committee

[3:28:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): that i sat on uh about vacation rentals and is actually one of the uh the pieces that are

[3:28:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): is mentioned there that the lack of ability to grant licenses as to licenses is restriction on

[3:28:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): on our ability of force.

[3:28:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): And it wasn't aimed necessarily at our areas,

[3:28:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): but it was aimed at other areas that are not incorporated.

[3:28:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anyway, okay, thanks, Planner Smith.

[3:28:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there any further discussion with the trustees?

[3:28:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): If not, I'm going to call the vote.

[3:28:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): All in favor?

[3:28:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that passes unanimously, thank you very much.

[3:28:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): Then we're at 16.2, which I put on,

[3:29:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is the DL-12 mining application.

[3:29:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's been a fair amount of correspondence

[3:29:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): that we've been copied on,

[3:29:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): related to the application that was filed,

[3:29:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): including a couple of them today that have come in.

[3:29:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I wanted to know, I guess my sense was,

[3:29:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): whether trustees wanted to do anything

[3:29:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): in terms of advocacy.

[3:29:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): I know that RPM Kojima and maybe Planner Smith

[3:29:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): have both been in touch with the department

[3:29:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): related to this issue.

[3:29:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): and um and uh i'm not quite sure where it sits uh in terms of the actual application for the mining

[3:29:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think abraham kojima did you want to speak to this

[3:29:45] Voice 3: um sure i i uh forwarded some correspondence

[3:29:49] Voice 3: the local trust committee a couple weeks ago um correspondence back and forth a bit with the staff

[3:29:55] Voice 3: the ministry and particularly the statutory decision maker as they're called

[3:29:59] Voice 3: old

[3:30:00] Voice 3: this decision got kind of a bit of i guess a bit of an ambiguous response um that um it's common

[3:30:07] Voice 3: practice for such permits to be referred to local governments um but wouldn't commit to doing it at

[3:30:15] Voice 3: this point it's very early in the review process for them um but acknowledging the the high level

[3:30:22] Voice 3: of public interest in the application um so one step the local trust committee could consider

[3:30:29] Voice 3: are taking is just passing a resolution um formally requesting that um statutory decision

[3:30:36] Voice 3: maker um refer the application then it's officially called a notice of work notice

[3:30:45] Voice 3: of work application for district law 12 um to the islands trust for comment

[3:30:58] Voice 15: to make that motion okay

[3:31:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's see if carly got it

[3:31:04] Voice 15: i i tried to remember

[3:31:06] Voice 15: it didn't okay

[3:31:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry i've

[3:31:10] Voice 14: got that the the galliano island ltc local trust committee requests that the

[3:31:15] Voice 14: statutory decision maker refer the notice of work application for dl12 to the island's trust

[3:31:20] Voice 14: trust for comment excellent and

[3:31:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): and would that be to the islands trust or to the local trust

[3:31:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): committee um

[3:31:27] Voice 3: normally they come to islands trust um for review but uh it could be

[3:31:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): i guess my

[3:31:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): question is

[3:31:34] Voice 3: and maybe and the galliano island local trust well

[3:31:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): i guess my question is because

[3:31:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): and it's important because on like on subdivision referrals you know those are staff to staff issues

[3:31:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): purely and politicians don't have anything to say about what happens on the subdivision application

[3:31:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): and and that's sometimes a little frustrating but so I guess so if it's just a staff to staff

[3:32:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): referral that's one thing if it if but if it's a staff if it's a staff if it's a department to

[3:32:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): LTC then that becomes a a matter of public record and a matter of I guess I'll just call it for lack

[3:32:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): lack of a better word political input so yeah so i would probably add the words in the local

[3:32:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): trust community yeah i would agree

[3:32:28] Voice 20: okay

[3:32:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that's an acceptable amendment to you

[3:32:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay so carly you got that and as that seconded yeah so all in favor so who's writing that letter

[3:32:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): i guess i'll

[3:32:41] Voice 3: send i'll send that

[3:32:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay thank you very much okay uh so the last piece of

[3:32:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): business we have is the next regular meeting is scheduled for september the 7th 2021 and as i said

[3:32:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): in my outset what do you want to do about that uh trustees i mean i'm sort of anticipating you're

[3:33:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to want to do it in person and we'll have to cobble together some sort of uh broadcast

[3:33:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): but i

[3:33:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): but maybe you just want to broadcast can

[3:33:13] Voice 15: we not just do zoom again we

[3:33:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): can yeah we can

[3:33:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): we have 90 days from the end of the of the local trust of the end of the the public health

[3:33:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): emergency order as i understand it uh in which to continue to do what we do until it ends so

[3:33:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): it takes us to the end of september um and uh we actually haven't i actually shouldn't say this

[3:33:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): because i don't know if that's true i don't think bill 10 has has come yet or has it does anybody

[3:33:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anybody know of Bill 10's enacted, which is the new process?

[3:33:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): But we certainly can do just Zoom again.

[3:33:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's up to you two.

[3:33:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll

[3:33:58] Voice 9: travel if you

[3:33:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): want me to.

[3:33:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): If you're feeling the need to do something in person, if you don't need to do, I'll have as much as I'd like to see you.

[3:34:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): And by the way, you don't know this, Trustee Rockefeller, but we've got a CIM for October the 2nd in person.

[3:34:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and uh which you won't be invited to but uh that will be an in-person cim that i'll be there

[3:34:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): for that in any case so so

[3:34:24] Voice 15: i'll get to see you anyway so we should just do a ltc and you come

[3:34:27] Voice 15: meet me and have a hello after your cim well

[3:34:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): we might because it's actually two days before our

[3:34:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): our LTC meeting anyway, so.

[3:34:38] Voice 7: Yeah.

[3:34:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anyway, yeah, Trustee Wolbrecht.

[3:34:43] Voice 7: I am okay with having one more Zoom

[3:34:48] Voice 7: or electronic meeting while we put into place the tools,

[3:34:53] Voice 7: hopefully, that will allow us to do a hybrid after that.

[3:34:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, that's up to you.

[3:35:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): you um i know i i don't know of anybody where where people have come i know that uh janine and

[3:35:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): and uh the recorder on me go to the hall and sit there but that's only because the wi-fi is better

[3:35:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): occasionally david's up there too but they don't actually there haven't actually been any people

[3:35:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): in there so um

[3:35:22] Voice 17: so

[3:35:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you want to if you're fine with the next regular meeting scheduled for

[3:35:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): for September 7th and it will be electronic,

[3:35:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): then that's what we'll do.

[3:35:31] Voice 15: I think as we just reach a larger audience

[3:35:34] Voice 15: and I just want to continue doing that, so.

[3:35:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, all right.

[3:35:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, that's fine with me

[3:35:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then I don't think we need any motion.

[3:35:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think we'll just indicate that it's going to be,

[3:35:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): well, actually, you know what?

[3:35:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): Probably be a good idea.

[3:35:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): Let's make a motion to have the December 7th, 2021 meeting

[3:35:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): be an electronic meeting at the usual time.

[3:35:57] Voice 15: yeah i'll second that okay

[3:35:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): so all in favor we'll pass that so that's that business so that leaves

[3:36:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): us uh with um uh the last item which is the second town hall uh which is uh is there anybody who

[3:36:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): wishes to speak to us in the second town hall before i try and organize anybody in relation to

[3:36:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): applications or anything. Just make sure there's anybody who is okay. And just before I promote

[3:36:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): you, Ms. Marguson, are you wishing to speak? I don't know how you let me know this. Could you

[3:36:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): just unmute Ms. Marguson to see if she wishes to speak related to the Giggers matter?

[3:36:47] Voice 4: No, I don't. I wanted to speak to the project priorities list.

[3:36:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, okay. That's great. Is there anybody? Okay, so go ahead. Why don't you do that?

[3:36:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh,

[3:36:56] Voice 4: okay. Thank you. Yeah, I just, I just wanted to, I was interested in looking at the priorities on that list. And also given that housing, a housing project, looking at tiny homes and trailers and, what was it called?

[3:37:17] Voice 4: called the, sorry, the square footage lot coverage, sorry, is in that project.

[3:37:27] Voice 4: I just, it's seeing, what I wanted to ask was, will development density be included in that

[3:37:35] Voice 4: project in terms of looking, updating in a way that people can understand at any rate,

[3:37:43] Voice 4: what the already zoned for development density is in particular areas of the island.

[3:37:50] Voice 4: It seems that an updated report on that might be really helpful when looking at that particular

[3:37:58] Voice 4: project, just to get an idea of what we are already zoned for in particular areas.

[3:38:06] Voice 4: areas I do like the idea of looking at those other options that have a perhaps a more rural

[3:38:13] Voice 4: kind of footprint and further to that so that that was one question and then so

[3:38:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): can I just

[3:38:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): let me just ask you a bit it sounds a bit like what you're talking about is is the kind of what

[3:38:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): a build-out map would look like like what's yeah which I know you've asked about before and

[3:38:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): and is a useful tool so that's fine thank you and it may very well be part of that project

[3:38:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay that's

[3:38:42] Voice 4: great and then i also just wanted to ask further to the stvr bylaw now passed

[3:38:48] Voice 4: is there any plan to do follow-up relating to the expiry of temporary use permits

[3:38:55] Voice 4: and whether any or how many of these homes have been added to the long long-term housing stock

[3:39:03] Voice 4: uh

[3:39:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's no plan for that yet but it's it's a it's a it's a good idea i um yeah planner smith

[3:39:14] Voice 13: so staff regularly track and monitor the tups and send letters out to the applicants when their

[3:39:22] Voice 13: applications are closing in the past when tups were allowed we would either send them a renewal

[3:39:29] Voice 13: notice or you would send them an expiration notice and advise them that they would need

[3:39:34] Voice 13: to consider a new permit. Going forward, we will be responding or providing notice to those

[3:39:42] Voice 13: applicants that their TUB will be expiring.

[3:39:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I think the question from Ms. Marguson was,

[3:39:48] Voice 9: is

[3:39:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): there any going to be any tracking as to whether any of those that expired and therefore

[3:39:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): were no longer permitted actually went into the long-term rent before um

[3:40:00] Voice 4: can you hear me you seem

[3:40:02] Voice 4: to have frozen i

[3:40:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): have hello

[3:40:06] Voice 4: we

[3:40:07] Voice 13: can hear you

[3:40:08] Voice 4: oh okay i can

[3:40:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): hear you but am i

[3:40:11] Voice 4: frozen i couldn't

[3:40:13] Voice 4: hear you yes everybody froze there i just

[3:40:16] Voice 4: said i think your question i'm just

[3:40:18] Voice 4: wondering then given

[3:40:19] Voice 4: that a letter will be sent out could consideration be given to asking um for asking those um tup

[3:40:30] Voice 4: holders if they intend then to put their i

[3:40:38] Voice 7: think you've frozen uh jennifer i

[3:40:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): think we've lost

[3:40:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): jennifer i can

[3:40:43] Voice 13: answer the question yeah

[3:40:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): go ahead brian so

[3:40:46] Voice 13: there's only a handful of temporary use

[3:40:48] Voice 13: permits that are left remaining and they will just phase out and we will not be monitoring

[3:40:53] Voice 13: if they are using long-term or using those spaces for long-term rental or not.

[3:41:00] Voice 7: I do know of some that have actually gone to the 30-day rental.

[3:41:07] Voice 13: I also have heard anecdotal

[3:41:09] Voice 13: evidence of a few of them that have gone to a longer-term rental so there certainly have been

[3:41:16] Voice 13: been a few that have flipped that switch but I don't have any specific data.

[3:41:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay okay so I'm

[3:41:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry we seem to have lost Ms. Marguson she seems to have fallen off the internet and there was a

[3:41:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): there was somebody else that had their hand up who's now disappeared.

[3:41:34] Voice 7: It was Jeff Inverarity.

[3:41:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): I recognized his name and he had his hand up and now I don't know whether the internet has gone

[3:41:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): gone down on part of Galeano or what?

[3:41:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): Because we had 11 people and now we only have seven.

[3:41:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): Like someone snapped their fingers.

[3:41:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I think I'm just going to call it.

[3:42:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): The shame I was quite willing to recognize Mr. Inverarity.

[3:42:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there anything else from either of the trustees

[3:42:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): at this point?

[3:42:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes, go ahead.

[3:42:20] Voice 7: sorry not for me oh

[3:42:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): i thought i heard you speak um well having said that then um why don't we uh

[3:42:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): just sort of stalling a little bit to see if he manages to get back on but i'm not seeing him

[3:42:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh so thank you all for joining us today i'm sorry that ms margeson and mr and we already

[3:42:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): seem to disappear this is the one downside to these types of meetings so um we'll uh just say

[3:42:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes. Did you have something else, Planner Smith?

[3:42:52] Voice 13: No, just coming back on.

[3:42:53] Voice 13: I was going to ask, do you want to have a quick debrief once we close out the meeting?

[3:42:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, let's just say hello and see how we're all doing in our lives.

[3:43:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're not going to talk about trust business.

[3:43:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're just going to talk about each other because we haven't seen each other for 16 months.

[3:43:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): And thank you very much for joining us.

[3:43:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we're going to adjourn the meeting now.

[3:43:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): and so thank you again to Carly and to Naples

[3:43:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): for doing the work behind the scenes and to all the staff.

[3:43:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you, RPM, Kajima, I don't know if he's still here.

[3:43:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): And to Planner, thank you very much.

[3:43:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thanks everyone, take care of yourself,

[3:43:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): but we'll leave so you can close and lock the webinar

[3:43:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): when everybody's gone and we'll just hang on.