Hornby Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, September 21, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 26: And I want to welcome members of the public that are joining us on the recording or live streaming and we will begin.

[0:00:13] Voice 26: I just want to start off by acknowledging that we are here today through our electronic meeting process widely across the Salish Sea,

[0:00:26] Voice 26: um the home of uh of many nations um since the beginning of time and i am grateful and i know

[0:00:36] Voice 26: all of you are grateful to live and work here in this place that is just so rich with history

[0:00:44] Voice 26: and culture and uh a fabulous uh landscape scape that uh all all in the past have cared for and

[0:00:54] Voice 26: And in our time here, we've had the opportunity to care for it in a good way.

[0:01:03] Voice 26: I want to, before I get too far along, just remind and mention an important event that is coming up here, which is the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation.

[0:01:20] Voice 26: That's next Thursday, September the 30th.

[0:01:22] Voice 26: It's a new federal statutory holiday.

[0:01:25] Voice 26: day and the day recognizes the colonial legacy of residential schools, honors Indigenous survivors

[0:01:32] Voice 26: and is vital to the ongoing reconciliation process. And this is an opportunity for all of us,

[0:01:39] Voice 26: all Canadians, to reflect upon that history and I know that you will take that time to do so.

[0:01:50] Voice 26: So thank you very much.

[0:01:55] Voice 26: I want to call the meeting to order at this point

[0:01:59] Voice 26: and just offer regrets that I presently have in front of me,

[0:02:05] Voice 26: which is Lee Middleton, possibly Steve Wright.

[0:02:10] Voice 26: Oh, no, Steve is there.

[0:02:11] Voice 26: Thank you, Steve.

[0:02:12] Voice 26: I understand you'll be absent some of the time.

[0:02:16] Voice 26: Janine Dodds, I think that you may or may not be here at this time,

[0:02:20] Voice 26: so some regrets there.

[0:02:21] Voice 26: and Ben McConkey won't be joining us until later and Paul Brent will not be joining us until later

[0:02:27] Voice 26: and so at the moment to ensure that we have uh everybody here I'm just going to quickly do a

[0:02:34] Voice 26: round table uh call out your name and if you wish to wave or acknowledge the territory in which

[0:02:40] Voice 26: you're um living um please do so so Alex Allen Hornby Island um so I see you there Alex so just

[0:02:52] Voice 26: give us a shout out or raise a hand or something because it's just kind of like a roll call.

[0:02:57] Voice 26: Paul Brett has provided regrets. Laura Beshaken, I see you there.

[0:03:02] Voice 42: Greetings from Devon Island, Coblox Territory, New Penn Latch.

[0:03:09] Voice 12: Thank you. Scott Colburn.

[0:03:13] Voice 12: Hi there. I'm on the island now called Gabriola and I'm on Sinemuk Territory currently.

[0:03:18] Voice 26: Thank you, Scott. Alex Allen, I just saw your hand up. So did you want to make an acknowledgement?

[0:03:25] Voice 26: Yeah, your microphone is off, or something. Okay, David Critchley, Denman Island.

[0:03:32] Voice 23: Yes, good afternoon. From Denman Island, known to the Comox people as Kleishtaij.

[0:03:41] Voice 26: Janine Dodds, are you there on the phone or otherwise?

[0:03:44] Voice 26: I

[0:03:44] Voice 43: am here and I'm listening in.

[0:03:46] Voice 26: Thank you. Vice Chair Sue Ellenfast.

[0:03:49] Voice 26: Hello

[0:03:51] Trustee Fast: from Nuklelequim, also called Kulakum, in the Squamish Nation's territory of

[0:03:57] Trustee Fast: Howe Sound Alkitson.

[0:03:59] Voice 26: Thank you. And Doug Fenton, thank you for putting your territorial

[0:04:02] Voice 26: acknowledgement in the chat line.

[0:04:05] Voice 40: Oh, no, and thank you for the invitation to spend another

[0:04:10] Voice 40: few days with you, calling in from the Penelakut and the Laiaks and traditional territories.

[0:04:15] Voice 40: church thank you uh peter gross

[0:04:18] Voice 26: all spring good

[0:04:21] Voice 6: afternoon nice to see everybody

[0:04:24] Voice 26: peter johnson

[0:04:26] Voice 26: let's see him but it doesn't look like you're moving so i'm not sure if you're there but

[0:04:36] Voice 26: i'm going to assume you are and michael kale good

[0:04:41] Voice 3: afternoon from bowen island thank you sir

[0:04:43] Voice 26: case longer ice uh

[0:04:46] Voice 46: good afternoon from gabriel island uh sunamo territory and of

[0:04:51] Voice 26: course my name

[0:04:52] Voice 26: My name is Peter Luckerman. I'm elected on Tideus Island in the Lacks and in Penelope Territory.

[0:04:57] Voice 26: A pleasure to be here.

[0:05:00] Voice 26: David Maude, Maine Island.

[0:05:03] Voice 45: Greetings from Maine Island.

[0:05:05] Voice 26: Ben McConkie is given regrets.

[0:05:10] Voice 26: Lee Middleton, I have regrets from.

[0:05:14] Voice 26: Deb Morrison, Pender Island.

[0:05:18] Voice 18: Good afternoon.

[0:05:20] Voice 18: this afternoon sorry it's been a long day uh for from most sanic territory on stayis island north

[0:05:26] Voice 18: pender thank

[0:05:27] Voice 26: you laura patrick uh south spring island good

[0:05:30] Voice 31: afternoon uh laura patrick from salt

[0:05:33] Voice 31: spring island traditional territories for several coast salish nations thank you laura

[0:05:38] Voice 26: tim peterson whiskey hi

[0:05:42] Voice 37: good afternoon uh thank you and i'm on the territory territories of many

[0:05:49] Voice 37: Coast Salish Nations and the Treaty Territory of the Tlayaman Nation.

[0:05:55] Voice 26: Thank you, Tim. Tahira Rockefeller.

[0:05:59] Voice 33: Heather from Galliano, from the Traditional Territory of the Coast Salish People.

[0:06:05] Voice 26: Dan Rogers.

[0:06:07] Voice 36: Keats.

[0:06:08] Voice 36: Good morning, here representing the Keats Island in Leksh Tynes, which is in Alcaton House.

[0:06:14] Voice 36: Sound.

[0:06:15] Voice 25: Thank you. Grant Scott, Hornby.

[0:06:23] Voice 20: Hello, Hornby Island, the treaty territory of the Comox

[0:06:27] Voice 20: people and a number of Salish First Nations as well.

[0:06:34] Voice 26: Thank you sir. Kate Louise Stamford,

[0:06:36] Voice 26: Good

[0:06:40] Voice 32: afternoon, everyone. Zooming in from Altnowich in the Alcotsum-Powlesound area.

[0:06:50] Voice 26: Thank you. Cameron Thorne, South Pender. Nothing heard. Jane Wolverton.

[0:07:01] Voice 26: Hello from

[0:07:04] Voice 30: Galliano and from the traditional territories of the Coast Salish peoples.

[0:07:08] Voice 26: And Steve Wright, South Pender.

[0:07:12] Voice 14: Yes, originally known as Steas and chosen from the Coast Salish people, primarily the

[0:07:18] Voice 14: Po-Sanich people.

[0:07:21] Voice 26: Thank you, Steve.

[0:07:22] Voice 26: So, very good.

[0:07:24] Voice 26: That makes 22 of us elected representatives here.

[0:07:27] Voice 26: I'm just going to just briefly acknowledge in the room here in Lugankwin Territory, where

[0:07:32] Voice 26: we're meeting today, I have CEO Russ Hotsenpiller.

[0:07:36] Voice 26: Good afternoon.

[0:07:37] Voice 26: I have Carmen Thiel, a Legislative Services Director.

[0:07:40] Voice 26: And I also, of course, have the very skilled and talented Laurie Foster that looks after all this technology and really want to thank you so much for managing the complexities of breakout rooms in the Zoom.

[0:07:53] Voice 26: We are pushing the limits. And so thank you very much for that, Laurie.

[0:07:58] Voice 26: All right. So that's acknowledgements and roll call.

[0:08:02] Voice 26: We've got an agenda before us, fairly lengthy. We're going to be reasonably busy the next few days.

[0:08:09] Voice 26: and so I'm just going to ask if there's any additions or deletions to the agenda at this time

[0:08:14] Voice 26: and if you raised a digital hand that would be very helpful um and and if if you only have

[0:08:24] Voice 26: telephone access you'll have to shout out um I'm not seeing any digital hands or hearing any shout

[0:08:32] Voice 26: out so therefore I'm going to adopt the agenda as presented and thank you very much so as has

[0:08:42] Voice 26: been our practice recently to try and provide more opportunity for discussion and debate

[0:08:48] Voice 26: we're continuing to use the consent agenda notion and those items that we just received

[0:08:55] Voice 26: need to receive for information um would be adopt they would be um uh adopted uh adopt the

[0:09:04] Voice 26: recommendations as presented by within the items and so and we're just going to go section at a

[0:09:09] Voice 26: time and so the first um items here in our general business arising uh under consent agenda is uh

[0:09:19] Voice 26: the July trust council special meeting draft minutes

[0:09:23] Voice 26: here for adoption.

[0:09:25] Voice 26: And then we're going to go into the trustee round table.

[0:09:29] Voice 26: So I'm prepared to believe that unless someone wants

[0:09:32] Voice 26: to bring the trust council special meeting draft minutes

[0:09:37] Voice 26: up for discussion that we will adopt them as recommended

[0:09:41] Voice 26: and as presented.

[0:09:42] Voice 26: And again, digital hands or shout out.

[0:09:46] Voice 26: not seeing any then i will take it by general consent that the minutes be

[0:09:50] Voice 26: um adopted as presented so um i'm going to now start uh through the trustee

[0:09:58] Voice 26: discussion through the round table we don't care yes sir trustee trustee allen i've

[0:10:05] Trustee Allen: had to move

[0:10:06] Trustee Allen: can you hear me now yes okay good i had to i can't do it on my laptop so i just moved i just

[0:10:11] Trustee Allen: make sure you can hear me i had to switch computers okay so

[0:10:18] Voice 26: thank you um let us now then go

[0:10:22] Voice 26: to a discussion trustee brown table we don't have a specific topic on this go around so um what our

[0:10:29] Voice 26: practice in this section has been to provide a couple of minutes um um now is your hand up there

[0:10:36] Voice 26: there, Steve? No. You're shading the sun or something. I'm glad it's sunny on the South

[0:10:44] Voice 26: Pender. So two minutes, generally. And so I'm going to actually try and mix this up a little

[0:10:51] Voice 26: bit because I think I always end up beginning with Alex Allen. And I'm going to start at the

[0:10:55] Voice 26: bottom of my list here and start with Steve Wright and work my way back up the list to Alex Allen.

[0:11:00] Voice 26: So remarks on what's happening in your local trust area or what's on your mind, Trustee Wright?

[0:11:08] Voice 14: Uh well uh Cameron is uh is is busy at work today um and we uh we really don't have much to report

[0:11:18] Voice 14: as the um local trust committee is working through a number of new initiatives um and uh we'll just

[0:11:25] Voice 14: see how it goes but uh there's not much going on other than that thanks.

[0:11:32] Voice 26: Okay uh Jane Wolverton

[0:11:35] Voice 26: Okay

[0:11:39] Voice 30: I'll report today possibly for Tahira and me. Tahira's internet is kind of unstable.

[0:11:47] Voice 30: So this summer the drought and fire risk were big concerns on the island.

[0:11:53] Voice 30: We were quite thankful to have managed to survive the summer without fires.

[0:11:59] Voice 30: But having recently been on Vancouver Island I noticed the difference between the forest there

[0:12:06] Voice 30: in the forest here and our forests are not looking as healthy as the ones I saw on Mid-Island.

[0:12:14] Voice 30: Our cedars are showing a lot of stress but I'm not sure if it will result in the same dieback as

[0:12:21] Voice 30: a couple of years ago. We had water shortage shortages reported with some wells going dry

[0:12:27] Voice 30: or silty. We've had really good response from the water webinar presented by William Shulba.

[0:12:33] Voice 30: housing shortages have affected the workforce on the island and that there are few to no rentals

[0:12:40] Voice 30: almost all businesses have had to reduce hours due to staffing shortages or water shortages

[0:12:45] Voice 30: the tourism was high again this summer with most weekends bringing 1200 to 1500 visitors from the

[0:12:52] Voice 30: mainland alone some tourists were frustrated with the business closures and had difficulty

[0:12:59] Voice 30: understanding the challenges of a small island community there were some amusing moments and

[0:13:06] Voice 30: amusing comments and questions such as can someone recommend a beach without crabs

[0:13:13] Voice 30: or did you know that the sand at Dionysio Park was trucked in so we had a little little bit of fun

[0:13:20] Voice 30: with the tourists you know especially when they would ask where the mall is and the anyway the

[0:13:27] Voice 30: The local LTC is dealing with two affordable housing project applications.

[0:13:31] Voice 30: For each one, one of us is recused.

[0:13:36] Voice 30: It's a little complicated.

[0:13:38] Voice 30: We're very pleased that Galeano resident Dr. Risa Smith has been appointed to the Islands Trust Conservancy Board.

[0:13:45] Voice 30: We really support that appointment.

[0:13:47] Voice 30: And lastly, COVID-19 vaccinations went well on the island with an estimated 90% being double vaccinated.

[0:13:58] Voice 30: Anecdotally, there have been three COVID cases in the past 18 months, although some people thought that they may have had COVID in the sort of November 2019 to February 2020 time period, as they were unusually sick.

[0:14:13] Voice 30: That's all.

[0:14:15] Voice 26: Thank you, Jane.

[0:14:17] Voice 26: um i'm going to go up to kate louise stamford thank

[0:14:26] Voice 32: you um some of the same um

[0:14:29] Voice 32: challenges that trustee wilmington mentioned around concerns and stresses over water and

[0:14:36] Voice 32: fire protection um that's been one of our focuses this summer um we are very relieved

[0:14:44] Voice 32: um uh probably as a local trust committee to uh not be looking at a different mp um

[0:14:52] Voice 32: um in our area that our uh previous incumbent mp has been re-elected um as the potential was

[0:15:02] Voice 32: somebody that uh had not really recognized the islands trust in his previous time as mp

[0:15:09] Voice 32: um um we are working as a local trust committee to build a representative group from gambier

[0:15:17] Voice 32: as we're starting our official community plan process it's a targeted comprehensive

[0:15:23] Voice 32: uh official community plan um getting some really good interest and some people that are

[0:15:30] Voice 32: very supportive of seeing the process through um so we're looking forward to seeing that happen

[0:15:36] Voice 32: um and uh of course i think we'll speak to this further but um gambier uh i'll cut uh

[0:15:46] Voice 32: chaldnowich is now the heart of a new briosphere and hopefully we'll get some more details on that

[0:15:53] Voice 32: and uh was very excited to be part of the celebration last saturday with trustee fast

[0:16:00] Voice 32: trustee rogers chair luckham um it was really a culmination of many years of effort from

[0:16:09] Voice 32: volunteers around the house sound islands trust trustees and um supporters of the trust have been

[0:16:17] Voice 32: very front and center in this um ongoing process so i'm looking forward to continued support of

[0:16:24] Voice 32: of this initiative in the Alcotsum area.

[0:16:28] Voice 32: And I'll leave it at that, thank you.

[0:16:30] Voice 26: Thank you very much, Chair Kate Rees.

[0:16:33] Voice 26: Grant Scott, Hornby Island.

[0:16:55] Trustee Fast: Hey Grant, are you there?

[0:17:01] Voice 26: I guess not, sorry.

[0:17:02] Voice 26: So let's move on to Dan Rogers.

[0:17:04] Voice 26: Oh,

[0:17:08] Voice 36: hello everyone, great to see you.

[0:17:12] Voice 36: You get a double dose of Alcotsum in a row.

[0:17:15] Voice 36: I just want, I won't add any more about the biosphere

[0:17:18] Voice 36: other than to remind you that at 2.30 tomorrow,

[0:17:24] Voice 36: there'll be a presentation related to that.

[0:17:28] Voice 36: We've invited the director,

[0:17:31] Voice 36: the force behind the biosphere to come

[0:17:33] Voice 36: and speak briefly to us for 10 minutes.

[0:17:36] Voice 36: So you'll get more information there.

[0:17:39] Voice 36: Very busy summer on Katsum Halsound

[0:17:44] Voice 36: and on Keats Island in particular.

[0:17:47] Voice 36: It's, I'm guessing like a lot of places the islands have become, they used to refer to Keats as the best kept secret on the coast and it's not a secret any longer.

[0:18:02] Voice 36: Lots of development, lots of building, lots going on on the island, which is challenging, to be honest.

[0:18:12] Voice 36: The one thing I will say about the work, besides the OCP work, we are, on Keats, we're in the, I don't know if that's the final stages, but the final phase, I guess, of our foreshore protection project that we've been working on for a couple of years

[0:18:30] Voice 36: in the LTC. We have developed or the staff has developed and we've approved a draft set of

[0:18:40] Voice 36: bylaws related to protecting the foreshore. Many of you may not know that the Gambier local trust

[0:18:47] Voice 36: area has by far the most number of docks and foreshore structures of any of the local trust

[0:18:53] Voice 36: committee, like local trust areas. That's a bit of a function of the fact that so many properties

[0:19:00] Voice 36: or water access only, but it's also a function

[0:19:03] Voice 36: of the nature of the development that occurs.

[0:19:06] Voice 36: And we don't have car ferries.

[0:19:07] Voice 36: So that's a function of all of those things.

[0:19:11] Voice 36: But we do have, it's in its stages

[0:19:14] Voice 36: and we're heading at the end of this month

[0:19:16] Voice 36: in the middle of October to a couple

[0:19:18] Voice 36: of community information meetings

[0:19:21] Voice 36: related to the proposed bylaws.

[0:19:23] Voice 36: They look quite similar to what's on our agenda

[0:19:27] Voice 36: for tomorrow related from the regional planning committee they're not exactly the same but they're

[0:19:33] Voice 36: there I think there's been some cooperation in terms of drafting those so we're going to see

[0:19:37] Voice 36: what kind of community reaction there is to those kinds of requirements so having said that

[0:19:46] Voice 36: you know the island's sort of breathing a bit of a sigh of relief as I'm sure a lot of them are

[0:19:51] Voice 36: everybody sort of exhales when labor day comes and kids are back in school and there's not as

[0:19:56] Voice 36: much traffic but it's still quite busy on the island so um yeah that that's my report thanks

[0:20:03] Voice 36: very much thank

[0:20:04] Voice 26: you trustee rogers so i've seen trustee scott's video on the screen there um are

[0:20:10] Voice 26: you able to speak to us uh

[0:20:13] Voice 20: yes thank you i have very very poor connections because i didn't hear

[0:20:19] Voice 20: the end of uh uh kate's report at all but anyway if you can hear me now i'll hopefully be able to

[0:20:26] Voice 20: i just want to say um the thatch pub property down by the ferry landing continues to be the

[0:20:32] Voice 20: one of the main issues on the island nothing's happened since last uh it's still a big hole in

[0:20:39] Voice 20: the ground there and we understand that russ and peter and chief rempel with the minister were here

[0:20:44] Voice 20: so it would be very interesting to hear maybe from russ what transpired at that meeting that

[0:20:50] Voice 20: alex and i were at but we'd like to hear what happened from that we've had the biggest summer

[0:20:54] Voice 20: around Hornby ever. There's a lot of fear around fire, very dry and people still don't have their

[0:21:01] Voice 20: wells. A lot of people don't have enough water. As Jane said, cedars and balsams are very stressed

[0:21:07] Voice 20: and I agree with her. It's interesting to note on Vancouver Island the difference.

[0:21:11] Voice 20: We've finally had cases of COVID here, so that's encouraged. I think a lot of people

[0:21:18] Voice 20: were hesitant to go and get the first shot and they'll be getting a second.

[0:21:22] Voice 20: Second, high-speed internet seems to be getting closer to coming to the island, which we're hoping will happen soon.

[0:21:29] Voice 20: So anything we can do collectively to encourage that connection over to Vancouver Island, Denman and Hornby, I think are very keen to get it, just so we get away from what's happening right now.

[0:21:40] Voice 20: So aside from that, thank you and look forward to the meetings. Thanks.

[0:21:49] Voice 26: thank you um uh grant um tahira rockefeller did you want to make some additional remarks

[0:21:57] Voice 26: are you able to um

[0:21:59] Voice 33: i think jane captured everything so thank you so much

[0:22:01] Voice 26: thank you very much tim peterson mesquite island yeah

[0:22:07] Voice 37: thank you chair um so uh not exactly

[0:22:11] Voice 37: uh entirely just local but i i had a good conversation with um uh three of the folks

[0:22:18] Voice 37: from BC assessment took advantage of that opportunity there's a couple

[0:22:24] Voice 37: interesting questions from constituents one was about notification of

[0:22:31] Voice 37: inspections which they don't generally do but they will if they're if there's a

[0:22:39] Voice 37: request for an inspection by BC assessment they might do it talking with

[0:22:44] Voice 37: them they said that they'd be willing to pass uh sort of a general notice of when they're planning

[0:22:50] Voice 37: to come to islands through the victoria office um so that residents aren't you know surprised that

[0:22:57] Voice 37: the specific question was you know someone not being aware of why somebody was wandering around

[0:23:03] Voice 37: their property in a little bit of alarm so that was interesting and the other question was about

[0:23:10] Voice 37: I'm sure it's happening on some of the other islands. People finding themselves unable to renew

[0:23:17] Voice 37: their home insurance and so questions around how that might impact assessments. There's been quite

[0:23:25] Voice 37: a number of cases on the skeevy of that and I've heard of cases on some of the other islands.

[0:23:31] Voice 37: I guess it all comes down to the underwriters and so the general upshot of that discussion was that

[0:23:40] Voice 37: that although BC assessment won't show you precisely

[0:23:44] Voice 37: how that determination will affect your assessment,

[0:23:49] Voice 37: it is factored in.

[0:23:50] Voice 37: And I guess the takeaway is that if you've become unable

[0:23:54] Voice 37: or if someone's become unable to secure home insurance,

[0:23:58] Voice 37: you should probably let BC assessment know

[0:24:00] Voice 37: so they can factor it into your taxes.

[0:24:04] Voice 37: Other than that, hot, dry summer,

[0:24:08] Voice 37: we're all very relieved to have rain and watching the forest get moist again is nice and I'll leave

[0:24:18] Voice 37: it at that for now. Thank you Tim.

[0:24:23] Voice 26: Laura Patrick Salt Spring.

[0:24:26] Voice 31: Hi so right now we have over a hundred

[0:24:29] Voice 31: job vacancies on Salt Spring right now. Our businesses are operating at reduced hours or

[0:24:34] Voice 31: closed. We've got over 80 plus liveaboards in Ganges Harbor. While we celebrated the 24 units

[0:24:42] Voice 31: that were open in the June meeting, we have no idea how much housing we've lost. We've had a

[0:24:49] Voice 31: collapse of the rental market here on Salt Spring. So, you know, at its most basic, you know, climate

[0:24:56] Voice 31: change impacts people and response measures depend on people to be successful. And if we have people

[0:25:01] Voice 31: who are worried about where they're going to live or have access to the basic stores even our

[0:25:06] Voice 31: hospital was admins was closed for a weekend recently we we have we have problems okay that's

[0:25:18] Voice 26: your report deb morrison pender island hello

[0:25:26] Voice 18: and thank you for the chance to share okay so a couple

[0:25:32] Voice 18: different things here we've had some different community conversations related to the trust

[0:25:38] Voice 18: policy statement across the island um that some that have involved both north and south pender

[0:25:44] Voice 18: others that are more specific to just north pender or like in smaller clusters of conversations

[0:25:51] Voice 18: that's been very helpful and informative of what to do next so thanks to all those who participated

[0:25:57] Voice 18: in that um hold on just one second classically somebody knocks on the door chris can you grab

[0:26:03] Voice 18: the door for me sorry um okay and then we have a land use bylaw review project on the go right now

[0:26:13] Voice 18: um and we also have the water study like galliano we have the water state that's been going on and

[0:26:18] Voice 18: the results are in for that which is really helpful to see we've had high tourism over the

[0:26:25] Voice 18: year or over the summer which has been a challenge to manage um with covid restrictions and just

[0:26:32] Voice 18: general community concerns but folks are also really well vaccinated here which we appreciate

[0:26:40] Voice 18: greatly the fire season has been as every year a stressful thing because I personally and I think

[0:26:50] Voice 18: our community generally doesn't necessarily feel that we are well prepared or resourced around

[0:26:55] Voice 18: issues of um of fire so i think that's it right now to share thank you

[0:27:06] Voice 26: um a couple members not

[0:27:10] Voice 26: here david maude main island thank

[0:27:13] Voice 45: you chair um another busy summer on main island um certainly

[0:27:17] Voice 45: it's been the summer of the trust policy statement um much discussion uh trustee dos and i attended

[0:27:22] Voice 45: another community um open house that was hosted by the community with lots of questions lots of

[0:27:28] Voice 45: concerns um even today on the ferry i had two people come up to me asking trust policy statement

[0:27:33] Voice 45: questions so it's very much on the forefront of the community on this island um other than that

[0:27:41] Voice 45: other than being very busy we're all very excited to to be attending our first in-person meeting in

[0:27:48] Voice 45: about 18 months on monday for the local trust committee which um we're eagerly anticipating

[0:27:54] Voice 45: because it's it's been a long long series of zoom meetings and we're getting zoomed out so

[0:28:00] Voice 45: we look forward to it thank you thank

[0:28:05] Voice 26: you david certainly you're right um i find myself on that

[0:28:09] Voice 26: list here um certainly it sounds like it's been a busy summer everywhere thetis uh included um

[0:28:17] Voice 26: um and and fire and uh droughts and all of these things are pretty common theme

[0:28:24] Voice 26: um i think the highlights actually have just happened in the last uh week here um we finally

[0:28:32] Voice 26: have completed and opened our new community center to great uh celebration um a sculpture

[0:28:41] Voice 26: uh acknowledging uh the efforts of

[0:28:44] Voice 26: reconciliation in our community with first nations was

[0:28:47] Voice 26: It was celebrated by the showing or, you know, it's actually mounted on the outside of the building.

[0:28:55] Voice 26: A beautiful piece of artwork by Maynard Johnny that is inclusive of people and the animals that protect us.

[0:29:05] Voice 26: And, of course, the Thunderbird that overlooks us.

[0:29:07] Voice 26: And I can't do justice to the stories, but the Penelope members, dance drummers attended

[0:29:15] Voice 26: and opened our home.

[0:29:18] Voice 26: I really liked that phrase.

[0:29:20] Voice 26: They referred to the community center

[0:29:22] Voice 26: as our community's home.

[0:29:24] Voice 26: And that has significant meaning in that context.

[0:29:29] Voice 26: Anyway, great celebration on the island there.

[0:29:32] Voice 26: I'll just mention UBCM was last week.

[0:29:35] Voice 26: There was a lot of discussion about climate change,

[0:29:38] Voice 26: about reconciliation, about forestry and housing,

[0:29:43] Voice 26: and all of these issues I know touch all of you and indeed on my very own island.

[0:29:49] Voice 26: As a part of UBCM, we did meet with Murray Rankin, Minister of Indigenous Relations,

[0:29:55] Voice 26: and certainly we find ourselves very much so.

[0:30:00] Voice 26: same page with the work that we're doing at the honest trust with our reconciliation action plan

[0:30:05] Voice 26: and that is uh rewarding to know that we're on the right track um it was a great pleasure for

[0:30:13] Voice 26: me also to attend the alcatraz from how sound celebration of the declaration of an unesco

[0:30:21] Voice 26: biosphere reserve in how sound um and there's lots more to say about that but i must say that

[0:30:28] Voice 26: the take home that I had with that celebration activity is that it's too easy to have successes

[0:30:36] Voice 26: and move on, keep working and not celebrate. And I think that perhaps that's something we do at

[0:30:42] Voice 26: the Island's Trust. We don't celebrate the successes. We've had a number of successes

[0:30:47] Voice 26: this year that are worthy of celebration. And we just ask everyone to consider that in your

[0:30:53] Voice 26: community when you've had some successes um to celebrate that in your communities um i've met

[0:31:00] Voice 26: on the select committee a couple times and the select committee is going to provide a report

[0:31:04] Voice 26: and i'll just say that that work is uh going well i believe all of you most of you have been

[0:31:10] Voice 26: interviewed at this point and certainly there are some the story is coming together so looking

[0:31:16] Voice 26: forward to the select committee report that's it for me it's a pleasure to serve you and serve the

[0:31:23] Voice 26: Alan's trust in the capacity that I do. And so, Case Longerich,

[0:31:26] Voice 26: over to you.

[0:31:27] Voice 46: Yeah, good afternoon, everybody, from Gabriola. The last time I reported, I think, was a lot about

[0:31:33] Voice 46: tree cutting, you know, concerns about clear cutting, etc. And of late, it's focused more

[0:31:39] Voice 46: on the marine environment, you know, had a number of contacts from residents. One was about seaweed

[0:31:46] Voice 46: harvesting and concern about what was happening. And what they discovered in that is that, you

[0:31:52] Voice 46: You know, non-commercial harvesting is permitted.

[0:31:54] Voice 46: There are limits, though, however.

[0:31:56] Voice 46: You can't use a rake.

[0:31:58] Voice 46: There's a limit of 100 kilograms that you can haul off.

[0:32:04] Voice 46: But there's also concern about the time of the year.

[0:32:07] Voice 46: I mean, this time of the year is not so bad.

[0:32:09] Voice 46: But in the spring, of course, when the fish eggs that are prevalent in the seaweed, it becomes an issue.

[0:32:17] Voice 46: So it's migrated there.

[0:32:19] Voice 46: There are other issues that have arisen recently as shellfish harvesting,

[0:32:23] Voice 46: some harvesting occurring in an area that's closed.

[0:32:26] Voice 46: So people have been quite concerned about that and have been talking to some of the people who are harvesting shellfish.

[0:32:35] Voice 46: Also had some complaints about liveaboards and moorage in one of the sheltered bays

[0:32:43] Voice 46: and ended up contacting the Navigation Protection Program,

[0:32:48] Voice 46: which is part of the federal government,

[0:32:51] Voice 46: and discovered that there's multiple agencies involved in some of these issues.

[0:32:56] Voice 46: They advised me, one, that the Navigation Protection Program

[0:33:00] Voice 46: can deal with the issue of mooring buoys.

[0:33:05] Voice 46: There's legislation around the mooring buoys.

[0:33:10] Voice 46: but anything regarding holding tanks on liveaboards you'd have to go to the office of

[0:33:16] Voice 46: boating safety within transport canada and anything regarding the environment which would be

[0:33:22] Voice 46: potentially eelgrass etc you'd have you could go to the department of fisheries and oceans

[0:33:27] Voice 46: and so so it's not you know there's not one place you can go to for a number of these issues

[0:33:33] Voice 46: but it seems to be there is a focus now on some of the marine environment and i think that's

[0:33:39] Voice 46: you know going to become more and more prevalent as climate change occurs. We've also had some

[0:33:45] Voice 46: concern recently about a marsh that was being the level of the marsh was being lowered by the

[0:33:53] Voice 46: by in a park and so there's been some concern about that and part of the issue is around beaver

[0:34:00] Voice 46: dams which was built behind the dam behind the weir and raising the level and there was concern

[0:34:06] Voice 46: are in about property damage so it's a it's a real mix of property protection versus the

[0:34:11] Voice 46: environment protection because they are lowering the level uh you know i don't know if it's

[0:34:17] Voice 46: substantial or not but one meter so um also had just again bylaw complaints has been a a bit of a

[0:34:27] Voice 46: run on bylaw complaints from various areas about cars you know derelict cars etc so i think this

[0:34:35] Voice 46: It's going to be a busy time for the enforcement.

[0:34:40] Voice 46: Why this has changed, in some respects,

[0:34:43] Voice 46: I think it's got to do with the trust policy statement,

[0:34:46] Voice 46: people's focusing on what the policy statement says

[0:34:50] Voice 46: and bylaws, and also climate change.

[0:34:52] Voice 46: I think it's raising people's awareness, which is good.

[0:34:55] Voice 46: You know, I think we need to be more cognizant of that.

[0:35:01] Voice 46: The only other thing I'll mention is I came across

[0:35:04] Voice 46: across a recent Supreme Court decision,

[0:35:08] Voice 46: it's a Wilson versus Cowichan Valley Regional District.

[0:35:11] Voice 46: And it relates to development permit areas

[0:35:13] Voice 46: and what you can and can't do

[0:35:15] Voice 46: within a development permit area.

[0:35:17] Voice 46: And what happened there apparently was

[0:35:20] Voice 46: that they had a bylaw which said that

[0:35:22] Voice 46: in the SPA of the repairing area,

[0:35:24] Voice 46: no development would be permitted.

[0:35:27] Voice 46: And that was struck down

[0:35:28] Voice 46: because development permit areas are in essence

[0:35:32] Voice 46: focus in on development just what setting some constraints so they had that issue there and

[0:35:38] Voice 46: the other thing in reading the decision it focused in on also what is the rationale what was the

[0:35:44] Voice 46: discussion what was in the decision making to not approve this development variance permit you know

[0:35:51] Voice 46: what did the regional district discuss you know and they looked at the record and of course

[0:35:56] Voice 46: It's, BAVA law was included in this because it's a test of reasonableness, you know, was

[0:36:02] Voice 46: our decision reasonable or not?

[0:36:04] Voice 46: So I think it's, it's one to worth reading.

[0:36:07] Voice 46: I checked our bylaws and I think we're okay.

[0:36:09] Voice 46: We don't have any such prescriptive prohibition, but, you know, with the coastal Douglas fir,

[0:36:16] Voice 46: we've talking about protected areas.

[0:36:19] Voice 46: We have to be cognizant of that, I think.

[0:36:21] Voice 46: And so I think it's a worthwhile decision to read just to be safe.

[0:36:25] Voice 46: uh i'll leave it at that for now thanks thank

[0:36:29] Voice 26: uh thank you case um michael kale uh bone island

[0:36:36] Voice 3: yes good afternoon everybody well to tick some of the same boxes for brevity certainly uh we've

[0:36:42] Voice 3: faced some some challenges a very very high tourist demand which has taken us right into

[0:36:47] Voice 3: to write it up to the present day.

[0:36:50] Voice 3: Fire concerns, mercifully, mercifully, no fires.

[0:36:55] Voice 3: Housing, I don't think I have to elaborate on that.

[0:36:58] Voice 3: I'm telling the same story as so many other people.

[0:37:03] Voice 3: Our capital projects, however, are moving ahead.

[0:37:07] Voice 3: Our community center, our health center,

[0:37:11] Voice 3: our fire hall, which covers our emergency response,

[0:37:17] Voice 3: water, water filtration project had a few sort of mechanical sort of delays but hopefully that's going to be online soon and our cross island trail across the across the island is is moving ahead as well as anyone can expect.

[0:37:34] Voice 3: I think recently, attention has been very much on obviously the election, and also the COVID passport. The COVID passport in our restaurants seems to have worked pretty smoothly, doesn't seem to have caused any huge, huge disruption on the door of the restaurants, although it's viewed by a lot of people on the island as being very, very divisive.

[0:37:59] Voice 3: so we're not going we haven't heard the last of that aspect yet so whether whatever your point

[0:38:05] Voice 3: of view might be on vaccines non-vaccines there is no doubt that this the the passport is is

[0:38:12] Voice 3: another level and as you might expect viewed differently we are going to go in october to

[0:38:20] Voice 3: impersonal meetings in fact as we're going to do hybrids as well so hopefully improvements to our

[0:38:26] Voice 3: our technology means at last we can get out of this Zoom rut that we've been in and start to

[0:38:33] Voice 3: move to something which I think would be welcomed by all. I wish I could say, oh, we have a rental

[0:38:40] Voice 3: housing project, which I'm really hoping by Christmas will be very close to ready for

[0:38:47] Voice 3: occupation. It'll be one of the first major achievements on the island. It's hopelessly

[0:38:53] Voice 3: oversubscribed it's just and i'm sure i'm looking if i look at the faces on my screen i see some

[0:39:00] Voice 3: nods here so i i think i'm only repeating what other people are already saying so uh yeah wish

[0:39:07] Voice 3: you all the best from bowen and thank you chair for the opportunity to update thank you thank you

[0:39:13] Voice 26: michael peter johnson uh liskiti island how's your audio there i think

[0:39:21] Voice 41: it's working yep okay um

[0:39:25] Voice 41: It's been a very tense summer both with COVID and with the dry and heat. The dry and heat has ended.

[0:39:34] Voice 41: There's a fair amount of division in the community, strong feelings around COVID and vaccination and

[0:39:42] Voice 41: requirements and I think that largely comes from the health authorities and government

[0:39:48] Voice 41: not encouraging us but allowing us to think that it was ending this spring and and that we were

[0:39:54] Voice 41: pretty much past it and here we are back in it and so that's uh it's difficult for people um

[0:40:03] Voice 41: we're proceeding through our official community plan revision it's uh getting to the point where

[0:40:09] Voice 41: i think we're starting to feel that it might be uh not possible to finish it by the end of the

[0:40:16] Voice 41: term but it might be so it's getting a little bit stressful in that way. My own view is that

[0:40:22] Voice 41: if it's done by the next trust committee will there be at least one change in trustee. I don't

[0:40:30] Voice 41: see that as a problem. Our connection with First Nations people has begun in a fairly hard way with

[0:40:39] Voice 41: the news station when they are in the process of being awarded a forest woodland license to log

[0:40:50] Voice 41: a couple of crown parcels to manage and log a couple of crown parcels their management plan

[0:40:57] Voice 41: that they have proposed it hasn't yet been accepted as far as I know proposes not to do

[0:41:02] Voice 41: any logging on Leskete for that current 10-year period that that plan is for. We haven't met them.

[0:41:09] Voice 41: We've had telephone conversations and a few email exchanges, but haven't actually met them.

[0:41:15] Voice 41: On the other hand, our archaeology project, which I have a report in the end of the agenda package,

[0:41:23] Voice 41: we had one event where members of the Tla'aman Nation came and spent a couple of days here

[0:41:30] Voice 41: with tremendous success. I was extremely pleased that 80 or 90 Liskieti people came out on a

[0:41:37] Voice 41: difficult access, had to walk a fair bit down a steep hill around some wet, slippery rocks,

[0:41:43] Voice 41: to take part in a tour from below the high tide line of some very impressive works.

[0:41:51] Voice 41: We've come a long way from not being sure or being fairly convinced that First Nations people

[0:41:57] Voice 41: people didn't really live here to beginning to appreciate the extent of how much they lived here

[0:42:02] Voice 41: and how much they formed and shaped the geography and the landforms on the island and how much of

[0:42:12] Voice 41: it they actually used. Next week, we're having our first event with four or five, possibly six

[0:42:18] Voice 41: nations being represented. Unfortunately, it would be great if they all came Monday morning and left

[0:42:23] Voice 41: Friday but they're they seem to be coming individuals for various time periods. Fortunately

[0:42:30] Voice 41: we've got a significant amount of funding from the, I don't know what it's called, SSHRC, the social

[0:42:36] Voice 41: sciences and something rather federal government tax money is funding this under a social science

[0:42:43] Voice 41: grant and I'll have a report on what happens next week where the one of the main things that

[0:42:51] Voice 41: that the project hopes to do is to show Leskete landowners and hopefully that will leak over

[0:42:57] Voice 41: into other islands that it's really if you if a archaeological site is discovered on your island

[0:43:04] Voice 41: it doesn't mean that you need to spend your family's fortune or to change your life completely

[0:43:09] Voice 41: or to sell your property that a survey can be done relatively inexpensively and quickly and your

[0:43:18] Voice 41: plans can be adapted to not impinge on that site. There are things you can do so that you can do

[0:43:26] Voice 41: much of what you want to do, maybe not exactly as you had planned,

[0:43:30] Voice 41: but that we'll work that out as we explore and do surveys and do some archaeology

[0:43:37] Voice 41: periodically through the next couple or three years. Unfortunately quite a bit of it's going

[0:43:44] Voice 41: to have to well maybe it's fortunate because more people can take part quite a bit it will be done

[0:43:49] Voice 41: by zoom but when we can we'll do it here and in person so thank you that's it thank you peter

[0:43:57] Voice 26: johnson very interesting times uh peter grove on salt spring uh peter are you there looks like

[0:44:12] Voice 26: you're frozen in time i'll come back to you peter if you can get your connection cleared up doug

[0:44:18] Voice 26: Fenton Edeside can you

[0:44:25] Voice 40: hear me yes sir

[0:44:26] Voice 40: all right so um yeah I um just go to my other note here

[0:44:36] Voice 40: there we go

[0:44:37] Voice 40: um so yeah as you've all stated a busy busy summer the busiest I've seen in a few

[0:44:42] Voice 40: years I've been here now um felt at times like I was just a stranger at the local post office

[0:44:47] Voice 40: um so it was yeah it's quite different actually uh our local conservancy had a busy summer as

[0:44:55] Voice 40: they normally do they had their summer students employed um normally they have one or two this

[0:45:01] Voice 40: year i think they had a total of three and i just hired another one into the fall um taking

[0:45:07] Voice 40: advantage i guess of the some of the climate change and student employment funding and they've

[0:45:13] Voice 40: done a good job of getting some dollars so they're putting it to work um i've had the opportunity to

[0:45:19] Voice 40: work with them on a couple projects locally and then we've got some stimulus and interest to do

[0:45:24] Voice 40: some forward-looking work this fall that will set us up for next year with the theme around

[0:45:31] Voice 40: sort of climate change and habitat preservation of the Thetis island as a whole and sort of looking

[0:45:40] Voice 40: at how people live on the island and try to reduce our ecological footprint as we do it.

[0:45:49] Voice 40: So yeah, it's been very interesting, very informative. Lots of really bright individuals

[0:45:57] Voice 40: that are keen to try to help us find solutions. So it was neat.

[0:46:02] Voice 40: Back to Trustee Lockham's report regarding the community hall. I do got to attend this.

[0:46:11] Voice 40: And to my knowledge, this is the first community's, first Indigenous led event on

[0:46:17] Voice 40: Island so it was quite, it caught me by surprise just sort of how emotional it was, how much it

[0:46:26] Voice 40: meant to those who attended both from the Penelope First Nations and the Thetis Islanders that were

[0:46:33] Voice 40: there. It was yeah it was just a very humbling, very grounding and some people that were just

[0:46:42] Voice 40: normally sort of hardline or you know retired forestry or retired engineering types that are

[0:46:47] Voice 40: around one wow like this was an amazing event so it was it was really cool to see and uh look

[0:46:54] Voice 40: forward to uh future events and hopefully this is a tiny step in the right direction

[0:47:00] Voice 40: down our reconciliation pathway and we'll leave it there thank you you're

[0:47:08] Voice 26: good thank you i i'm

[0:47:10] Voice 26: guessing you must have been suggesting that the stranger that you needed the post office is me

[0:47:14] Voice 26: from time to time anyway nice to see you doug uh sue ellen fast from an island thank

[0:47:22] Trustee Fast: you chair and

[0:47:22] Trustee Fast: i'll be brief if you hear hammering it's because the roof repairs are ongoing but hopefully nearly

[0:47:28] Trustee Fast: done um but i'll be quick i'll just say um trustee kale mentioned the uh cross island trail i refer

[0:47:36] Trustee Fast: to it as the multi-use trail and this is a sort of um transportation alternative uh that's moving

[0:47:43] Trustee Fast: moving across the island from the ferry up the hill and to be the spine of all the little walking

[0:47:50] Trustee Fast: trails that connect to it that's the plan and I'm delighted to see that we're getting that happening

[0:47:54] Trustee Fast: it's one advantage of being a municipality so you can apply for grants and that's coming up for

[0:48:01] Trustee Fast: construction of things like that that's coming along I won't cover the other things that Michael

[0:48:06] Trustee Fast: has covered but I will say as council we went we had a number of zoom meetings with ministers

[0:48:12] Trustee Fast: ministers last week as part of Union of BC municipalities I think with about five so I

[0:48:17] Trustee Fast: get to wear two hats uh in um and have many uh chances to see how the provincial government is

[0:48:24] Trustee Fast: what they're saying to communities and how they're listening which is great

[0:48:30] Trustee Fast: skip all that just to say staff shortages on Bowen too including uh two of our municipal

[0:48:37] Trustee Fast: municipal planners last time I looked. And so this is a challenge for us as a municipality with a

[0:48:44] Trustee Fast: small number of planners. Now, I'll skip the biosphere. Now we've got a sustainability plan

[0:48:53] Trustee Fast: for the environment around Bowen and including Bowen. And most of what Jane Wilberton said

[0:49:01] Trustee Fast: about Galliano, I would say is approximately true for Bowen. Just the new thing is that we

[0:49:07] Trustee Fast: We passed as a council, use of public places by law.

[0:49:12] Trustee Fast: So this was a, we adopted this with a been fine schedule, along with it so this is for

[0:49:21] Trustee Fast: things like modifying vegetation or as in cutting down trees in a municipal park.

[0:49:26] Trustee Fast: Now we can handle that through the bylaw department, rather than taking people to court, if there's

[0:49:34] Trustee Fast: something like that that happens.

[0:49:35] Trustee Fast: So it also I think it'll help us a lot in the long run. Stay tuned about that. But that's it. I'm over and out. Thank you.

[0:49:45] Voice 26: Thank you, Sue Ellen. Janine Dodge, Main Island, are you with us?

[0:49:50] Voice 43: I'm here. So just to tackle, of course, what everyone said, what Jane said about to Galliano, hot and dry drought.

[0:49:58] Voice 43: And many others said that. Dan Rogers mentioned the busiest summer for construction.

[0:50:04] Voice 43: main island has seen a huge turnover of our residents with new residents um but going back

[0:50:10] Voice 43: to the lack of staffing um as you might know i'm in victoria and san it's three times a week and

[0:50:16] Voice 43: believe me it's exactly the same situation in this part of the of the world too it's it's a canada

[0:50:22] Voice 43: wide problem lack of housing lack of people to take the jobs is not unique to the gulf islands

[0:50:28] Voice 43: but that being said um certainly summer was the busiest summer main island has ever seen

[0:50:33] Voice 43: huge traffic on the ferries lots of uh stressful times lots of weights pender definitely was

[0:50:40] Voice 43: overwhelmed with traffic lots of commercial traffic but the good note was we had over

[0:50:45] Voice 43: three million dollars spent on main island on chip sealing some of our our roads and uh i was

[0:50:51] Voice 43: one of the lucky recipients of this nice new chip seal so we've had great amount of road work done

[0:50:56] Voice 43: this summer so that was a positive um as i think they and as dave mentioned we've had a couple of

[0:51:03] Voice 43: community meetings over the policy statement just trying to assure our communities that

[0:51:09] Voice 43: we are aware of their concerns and the consultation process is only just beginning.

[0:51:14] Voice 43: I think that was the hardest part for people to understand that this is not something that's

[0:51:18] Voice 43: going to happen today. It will take a community involvement before we make a decision and that

[0:51:23] Voice 43: applies to our conversation about tree cutting bylaws. Right now with the drought and the amount

[0:51:29] Voice 43: out of dead cedar we have on the island and the scariness in our summer. I do think the last thing

[0:51:35] Voice 43: we want to do is make some of the tree trimming that's necessary on Main Island hard for people

[0:51:40] Voice 43: to do. And I'll speak about that when we get into our discussion about the tree cutting bylaws.

[0:51:46] Voice 43: Thank you.

[0:51:49] Voice 26: Thank you, Janine. David Critchley.

[0:51:55] Voice 23: Yes, thank you. I'll be fairly brief. Due to the

[0:52:00] Voice 23: the pandemic and so forth, my social life has been curtailed and I haven't been going around

[0:52:07] Voice 23: the island very much. I haven't had need to. So I did a special purpose tour the other day just

[0:52:13] Voice 23: to reacquaint myself and see how things were in the outside world, so to speak.

[0:52:19] Voice 23: Looking with casting my layman's eye on the forest, I was surprised to see

[0:52:24] Voice 23: how healthy the forests seem to be, by and large.

[0:52:29] Voice 23: Having said that, since the rainfalls have occurred,

[0:52:33] Voice 23: there's been massive needle drop,

[0:52:35] Voice 23: which to some extent is a natural thing.

[0:52:38] Voice 23: I don't know if it's in an unusual quantity this year or not.

[0:52:43] Voice 23: But from what I see, the forest is largely amazingly in decent condition.

[0:52:50] Voice 23: Cedars are stressed, as has been mentioned by other people.

[0:52:54] Voice 23: also small small trees and seedlings i've found in a number of areas uh are absolutely dead or

[0:53:01] Voice 23: or near death um so that sort of suggests there could be uh issues down the road for for tree

[0:53:07] Voice 23: planting uh for reforestation projects but um the other aspect of the uh the extreme heat the

[0:53:14] Voice 23: heat dome in particular was on the marine environment and uh it was very noticeable

[0:53:21] Voice 23: from the smell of decomposing marine creatures very sadly and I'm unable to say right now you

[0:53:32] Voice 23: know how quickly that's going to bounce back presumably it will with the the amazing recuperative

[0:53:38] Voice 23: abilities of nature but remains to be seen how that turns out so that's all I have to report

[0:53:44] Voice 23: at the moment thank you thank

[0:53:46] Voice 26: you david uh scott colburn uh

[0:53:51] Voice 12: thank you chair um and apologies i'm

[0:53:53] Voice 12: i'm having kind of an intense work week this week so i'll be um intermittently joining and

[0:53:58] Voice 12: joining by phone so i'll do my best not to be disruptive or or no more disruptive than usual

[0:54:03] Voice 12: i too um uh did a bit of a tour um of the island i injured my knee early this year on a fire call

[0:54:14] Voice 12: and part of my rehab was to get back on the bike and so I did a over five days to about 225

[0:54:19] Voice 12: kilometers tried to see every civic address on the island now called Gabriola I got about 99%

[0:54:25] Voice 12: there and it was informative from a first responder point of view but also from a land

[0:54:31] Voice 12: use point of view you know we've heard from the users of that land small percentage of them but

[0:54:35] Voice 12: this was a chance to really see it and as the former speaker there I think my reaction has

[0:54:42] Voice 12: It really hit me, the intensification of use, the gentrification, the number of excavation trailers and logging trucks and the loss of forested land on some heavily logged areas.

[0:54:58] Voice 12: It was incredible. I came back to the local trust committee and I asked staff, you know, what are you spending your time doing?

[0:55:03] Voice 12: we've got this preserve and protect mandate and you know how much of your time is going into those

[0:55:08] Voice 12: preserving protect activities because we have a you know project coming up one that you know

[0:55:13] Voice 12: our housing and impacts project has a voluntary dedication of land to conservation where some

[0:55:21] Voice 12: where the density can go towards to other forms of housing rental housing that's desperately needed

[0:55:26] Voice 12: and the response from staff was that they're spending they're inundated with applications

[0:55:31] Voice 12: applications inquiries everything about the intensification of use because the economic factors, because people have paid a lot for land, and they're doing a lot more with it.

[0:55:41] Voice 12: It's having a bigger effect on the ecosystems. We are not currently protecting cultural heritage sites the way we should be.

[0:55:47] Voice 12: um so it to me it's it's a complete dumpster fire of inadequate protection and our staff

[0:55:57] Voice 12: is doing their best but they're not doing the jobs that i think a lot of them wanted to do and i

[0:56:01] Voice 12: think a lot of people expect from an organizational mandate that we have which is to look at those

[0:56:05] Voice 12: ecosystems and and to be able to to actually take some steps to preserve and protect them so that

[0:56:11] Voice 12: that that's you know i i spoke about urgency in the early days of this term of this trust council

[0:56:16] Voice 12: And I feel it absolutely more now. And the data and what we're seeing and the number of staff hours going to single user market housing at the expense of everything that underlies it, including the ecosystems and community.

[0:56:33] Voice 12: A lot of you have spoken about, you know, you're starting to see evidence of what a complete absence or shortage of rental housing means.

[0:56:40] Voice 12: We had a restaurant called The Kitchen, couldn't get kitchen staff closed. The co-op gas station now closes two hours early every day. Every single institution and organization on this island is feeling a pinch by having sort of a demographic imbalance.

[0:56:56] Voice 12: So that's a bit on the observation side. A lot of you have mentioned fire and that sort of thing.

[0:57:04] Voice 12: I've got a meeting this week as part of the Climate Caucus coming together with an organization called Cities Race to Zero before the next big climate conference globally.

[0:57:13] Voice 12: Cities Race to Zero should be called Communities Race to Zero.

[0:57:16] Voice 12: And we're focusing on rural and remote communities and how we've got these silos between where these property tax dollars go between volunteer fire departments to special entities like the trust to regional districts to municipal governments.

[0:57:28] Voice 12: So trying to get some sort of rationalized system that looks at forest management, adopts some traditional methods, ways of knowing and relationship building with First Nations, and just looks to do that in sort of a national way with, I'm glad to say, a lot of BC representatives in that discussion.

[0:57:48] Voice 12: So I hope to have more updates on that took took part in one of the priority projects we have is the fairy to village project looking at how we can bring together private land holders Ministry of Transportation, the BC fairies.

[0:58:06] Voice 12: So name of First Nation, and try to get a safer way and more climate friendly way to get people on and off the ferry.

[0:58:15] Voice 12: We have a very dangerous situation unfolding every single day, especially with the number of large concrete trucks and everything else that are flooding that ferry and this island.

[0:58:27] Voice 12: island. So yeah, I really feel like we have to take some different steps to actually live up to

[0:58:39] Voice 12: the mandate and to live up to where we are in 2021 in terms of the climate crisis, the housing crisis,

[0:58:43] Voice 12: which is our problem and is something we can do something about, and relationship building with

[0:58:48] Voice 12: First Nations and supporting Indigenous resurgence. And I look forward to having those discussions at

[0:58:53] Voice 12: this meeting and ones beyond.

[0:58:56] Voice 26: Thank you, Trustee

[0:58:57] Voice 26: Colburn. I'm glad your work situation has improved

[0:59:01] Voice 26: to allow you to join us today and as much as you can over the next couple of days.

[0:59:06] Voice 26: Always good to hear from you. Laura Beshaken, over to you.

[0:59:10] Voice 42: Thank you. So a lot of common themes here.

[0:59:17] Voice 42: The heat wave was very disturbing for a lot of people, but we did not have any major fires

[0:59:25] Voice 42: throughout the summer, which is amazing, and I think shows a really high level of care on the

[0:59:31] Voice 42: part of community members and visitors. Staff shortages are also a big issue here. I know I

[0:59:38] Voice 42: was talking to one of, I think, our biggest farm on the island, a produce farm, and they

[0:59:45] Voice 42: are changing their plans for what they plant and how they operate because they can't get staff.

[0:59:52] Voice 42: um other places closing having curtailed hours we don't even have that many businesses so

[1:00:00] Voice 42: a concern there. In terms of what the trust has been up to, what the local trust committee has

[1:00:08] Voice 42: been up to, it's pretty much what I've been reporting is the application work is taking

[1:00:14] Voice 42: all the staff time. Good news is that the LTC applied for and got a grant from Agriculture

[1:00:22] Voice 42: Investment Foundation to reinvigorate and complete a project we began some years ago,

[1:00:29] Voice 42: which is um uh a review of uh lub regulations to do with farming and agriculture uh so we got

[1:00:39] Voice 42: part way into it and just it went to the back burner so there'll be a grant there'll be a

[1:00:43] Voice 42: contract planner um or consultant of some kind working on that and that will be really the first

[1:00:48] Voice 42: time this term that we've been able to do any proactive project planning so i'm quite excited

[1:00:54] Voice 42: to be able to get into that um and otherwise i just will mention that um uh russians a couple

[1:01:01] Voice 42: months ago at most we as far as i know and believe me i don't know if i know but uh it seemed that

[1:01:08] Voice 42: denman got its first covid cases and there were i heard anywhere from six to ten uh delta variant

[1:01:14] Voice 42: cases um it seemed like everyone knew someone with covid all of a sudden um and that was quite a

[1:01:22] Voice 42: of shock on the island and things got things sort of closing down and lineups and masking and limits

[1:01:30] Voice 42: and the fall fair was canceled and so it was quite um kind of brought things home i guess to people

[1:01:35] Voice 42: who hadn't thought it was real until someone they knew had it i don't know um but we did have a

[1:01:42] Voice 42: community meeting with community group leaders and our regional health authority which was actually

[1:01:47] Voice 42: very useful to talk to someone in that position um and uh i think that is all i need to report

[1:01:57] Voice 42: thank you thank

[1:02:00] Voice 26: you uh trustee shakin um i'm just gonna maybe provide an opportunity here so much

[1:02:06] Voice 26: and if i missed it with david or yourself i apologize because sometimes i get distracted here

[1:02:11] Voice 26: were you not successful in getting internet uh uh last mile funding on your island uh

[1:02:16] Voice 42: oh yes we did

[1:02:18] Voice 42: and one of the Hornby trustees mentioned that but it is thank you yeah um it is for both islands and

[1:02:25] Voice 42: it is a major um piece of funding and a big change for the islands I think even more so than Hornby

[1:02:29] Voice 42: because they are their internet is worse than Denman but in terms of economy and diversity

[1:02:35] Voice 42: of young families being able to make a living here um it's uh it's major so we're very excited

[1:02:42] Voice 42: and uh that is and we've been working very closely with the Comox Valley Regional District it was

[1:02:47] Voice 42: their initiative working with community groups and uh they've been really um i think uh it's

[1:02:56] Voice 42: commendable the involvement of the regional district and the community groups on both islands

[1:03:00] Voice 42: to to make this happen so thanks for for bringing that up okay

[1:03:05] Voice 26: well thank you i'm just we're envious

[1:03:07] Voice 26: on fetus because we're still waiting we're done yes

[1:03:09] Voice 42: well good luck with it

[1:03:10] Voice 26: so uh paul brent i

[1:03:13] Voice 26: don't believe has joined us yet so unless i hear him shout i'm going to go to alex allen as our

[1:03:19] Voice 26: last speaker and then we'll go to our break all right thank you chair um i'll

[1:03:25] Trustee Allen: just yeah the fiber

[1:03:27] Trustee Allen: go optic is coming um basically we're at the stage where if you um sign up now with uh can you hear

[1:03:36] Trustee Allen: me yeah yeah sign up at the initial stages of construction it's free if you don't sign up after

[1:03:42] Trustee Allen: that you'll have to pay some installation we're looking at uh so they're basically asking for

[1:03:46] Trustee Allen: expressions interest at this point and uh before they can do the design and permitting and um

[1:03:52] Trustee Allen: november 27th there's a referendum that the cvrd is going to be holding for

[1:03:56] Trustee Allen: hornby and denman because it'll be involving some property tax and then hopefully by the

[1:04:01] Trustee Allen: second quarter of 2022 we'll be getting fiber optic just to say that my uh my internet speed

[1:04:08] Trustee Allen: speed is 1.6 mbps normal is 12 to 25 on 1.6 um so buffering is my way of life um and then i'll

[1:04:19] Trustee Allen: talk about what everybody else has been talking about in terms of seams is that the crowds the

[1:04:24] Trustee Allen: busiest summer ever we've had up to um four to five ferry waits in the summer the new normal

[1:04:29] Trustee Allen: is now parking your car overnight so you can get to ferry the first ferry off that that did not

[1:04:36] Trustee Allen: happened two years ago um i've never seen so many campers my god campers everywhere and parked on

[1:04:43] Trustee Allen: the side of the road at the end of every driveway co-op parking lot um what else we've um yeah

[1:04:53] Trustee Allen: record boats anchored in the tribune bay 80 plus and then of course a lot of people are questioning

[1:05:02] Trustee Allen: being um especially after the summer our reliance on visitors our economy is this going to go on

[1:05:10] Trustee Allen: maybe we should actually you know really think about is this where we want to go um extreme

[1:05:15] Trustee Allen: weather events uh in fact last friday we had a 20-hour power outage that was caused by because

[1:05:22] Trustee Allen: we had a rain and wind warning and um it was actually right right near the end of my governance

[1:05:28] Trustee Allen: interview which is good because it's right near the end of the interview so i didn't have to worry

[1:05:31] Trustee Allen: about that so came back the next morning um mid-july people's wells are running dry

[1:05:39] Trustee Allen: sandpiper beach was closed down because of e-coli contamination um the depot has two 40-foot

[1:05:47] Trustee Allen: roll containers of refundables were going off every week um real estate we have two properties

[1:05:56] Trustee Allen: is available right now they're vacant land one is 535 000 it's less than an acre and one that's on

[1:06:03] Trustee Allen: the waterfront almost a million a house sold within nine hours wasn't even didn't even have

[1:06:09] Trustee Allen: anybody visit it uh you know the summer it's like they they are listed and they go just like that

[1:06:16] Trustee Allen: lots of building constantly every the first um ferries is full of people i mean construction

[1:06:22] Trustee Allen: construction workers, slag lumber. And then I'm going to end on a positive note that

[1:06:29] Trustee Allen: our school, our lovely school's been finished. Yeah, we're going to be going to the open house

[1:06:35] Trustee Allen: October 7th. And it actually has a waiting list, which is amazing. So we've got a lot of families

[1:06:42] Trustee Allen: that moved here during the pandemic and are staying houses. You know, it's actually quite

[1:06:46] Trustee Allen: interesting what's happening. And we still have tourists. It's like, okay, right up to this very

[1:06:50] Trustee Allen: moment you know i was just in the store co-op store a couple days ago and i know one person

[1:06:55] Trustee Allen: i recognize just like you said doug and so um yeah that's for me thank

[1:07:01] Voice 26: you and thank you very

[1:07:03] Voice 26: much trustee allen now i see that trustee grove has uh come back online and would uh like to give

[1:07:09] Voice 26: him the opportunity because i jumped over him earlier to have the last word peter grove from

[1:07:14] Voice 26: Thanks.

[1:07:16] Voice 6: I'm sorry I wasn't available when you last called me up. Unavoidable. Anyway, Laura

[1:07:21] Voice 6: painted the rather bleak picture of the reality here on the island. Having said that, as with so

[1:07:27] Voice 6: many others, tourism has been unbelievably busy. Good for the people who need to make

[1:07:34] Voice 6: an income from it. But the housing shortages are serious. Interestingly, more and more people

[1:07:42] Voice 6: people keep moving to Salt Spring. I've seen advertisements from locals inviting their

[1:07:48] Voice 6: friends from Quebec to move here. Great place to be, wonderful climate, lovely people, and

[1:07:55] Voice 6: all sorts of support. So it's going to get worse before it ever gets better, and I don't

[1:08:02] Voice 6: know if it's going to get better. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people who feel that the

[1:08:07] Voice 6: The Islands Trust is going to fix this.

[1:08:10] Voice 6: And indeed, we've got a housing group looking at housing.

[1:08:14] Voice 6: But as has been said, this is not unique to our islands.

[1:08:19] Voice 6: It's all over.

[1:08:20] Voice 6: And what the future holds remains to be seen.

[1:08:24] Voice 6: Fire and water issues, of course.

[1:08:27] Voice 6: Anti-vaxxer demonstrations, which have been unfortunate, particularly since the loudest

[1:08:32] Voice 6: was in front of the Lady Minter Hospital.

[1:08:34] Voice 6: I have no patience for people who behave that way and hopefully people are learning.

[1:08:44] Voice 6: And so that's about it from me. Thank you very much for adding me to the list, Peter Luckham.

[1:08:51] Voice 26: Thank you, Trustee

[1:08:52] Voice 6: Grove. Nice to see you.

[1:08:53] Voice 26: All right, then.

[1:08:54] Voice 26: So 209. Thank you, council, for being brief and in some respects,

[1:09:00] Voice 26: a few of trustees with us today

[1:09:02] Voice 26: have helped us to stay on schedule.

[1:09:04] Voice 26: So let's break until 2.30,

[1:09:08] Voice 26: which is what we've got scheduled

[1:09:09] Voice 26: so that the public knows

[1:09:10] Voice 26: when we're going to reconvene

[1:09:12] Voice 26: for the next section of our agenda,

[1:09:16] Voice 26: beginning on page 13 of your package.

[1:09:18] Voice 26: And that's section four.

[1:09:20] Voice 26: So thank you, trustees.

[1:09:21] Voice 26: See you at 2.30.

[1:29:37] Voice 26: Okay, so welcome back, everybody.

[1:29:42] Voice 26: i i realize and fully understand that some of your internet connections are not great

[1:29:47] Voice 26: um but having your videos on is helpful to know who's in the room or not and um as we especially

[1:29:54] Voice 26: when we come back together after a recess to make sure we've got quorum and the like and so if you

[1:29:59] Voice 26: You can.

[1:30:00] Voice 26: that is terrific but of course keep your microphones muted and all of that sort of stuff

[1:30:04] Voice 26: um so that

[1:30:07] Voice 1: was a real good

[1:30:08] Voice 26: start to find out what's happening across the alums trust area

[1:30:11] Voice 26: um really great to hear from you and um certainly there's been lots of challenges uh now and going

[1:30:17] Voice 26: forward i just want to mention um at this point about a safe meeting space i didn't mention that

[1:30:26] Voice 26: that at the beginning and it's funny you know how zoom takes over your computer and when a slide

[1:30:33] Voice 26: pops up it takes over the rest of your screen and then what you were about to say disappears

[1:30:38] Voice 26: but here we are

[1:30:40] Voice 26: a safe respectful environment as chair of this committee i am committed to

[1:30:46] Voice 26: ensuring that all people who speak at this meeting are treated fairly and respectfully

[1:30:50] Voice 26: and that language we use will reflect that.

[1:30:54] Voice 26: No form of discrimination is acceptable or tolerated.

[1:30:58] Voice 26: We will all take responsibility to create a safe,

[1:31:01] Voice 26: inclusive environment for everyone to participate

[1:31:03] Voice 26: and be respected.

[1:31:05] Voice 26: Members of this committee may call point of order

[1:31:09] Voice 26: if a speaker's language is not respectful.

[1:31:11] Voice 26: The chair may mute the speaker

[1:31:13] Voice 26: and ask that the language be adjusted before continuing.

[1:31:16] Voice 26: comments that include criticisms or attacks on other people are considered discriminatory and

[1:31:23] Voice 26: are not allowed. All comments should be accurate and direct. I'd also say that it is inappropriate

[1:31:32] Voice 26: for someone to speak on somebody else's behalf without their permission or make assumptions about

[1:31:39] Voice 26: others' points of view. So that's the accuracy and being direct. So thank you for helping make

[1:31:46] Voice 26: this a safe environment for all. It's a shared responsibility. Sometimes the role of the chair

[1:31:52] Voice 26: is challenging with events as they unfold. And so I appreciate your help in making this a safe

[1:32:00] Voice 26: place for all of us to speak freely and be respected for what we have to share. So with that,

[1:32:09] Voice 26: i'm going to look at the agenda page 13 4.11 4.12 4.13 4.14 are presented here as consent agenda

[1:32:22] Voice 26: items to adopt the recommendations as presented and i will just ask if there are any of those

[1:32:29] Voice 26: items 4.11 through 4.14 that any trustees wish to speak to and if you raise your digital hand or

[1:32:37] Voice 26: other hand or speak out if you don't have a digital hand then um i'll uh respond to you

[1:32:45] Voice 26: and see which item you want to withdraw for conversation otherwise we will go to section

[1:32:51] Voice 26: 4.2 so i see trustee allen trustee boucher go ahead trustee allen yeah

[1:32:58] Trustee Allen: um this is like the

[1:32:59] Trustee Allen: follow-up action list right i can ask

[1:33:01] Voice 26: okay 4

[1:33:02] Voice 26: .11 so

[1:33:03] Voice 26: i'll come back to you on that uh trustee

[1:33:07] Voice 26: boucher continuous

[1:33:08] Voice 42: learning plan please 4

[1:33:10] Voice 26: .13 okay anybody else oh okay i'll acknowledge that trustee

[1:33:17] Voice 26: paul brent who uh joined us thank you for coming in and i'm glad to see you so i will then um adopt

[1:33:26] Voice 26: the recommendations as presented in items 4.1.2 and 4.1.4 as uh presented and i'm now uh trustee

[1:33:38] Voice 26: Allen's request going to ask Trustee Allen about any questions that he has regarding 4.11 trust

[1:33:46] Voice 26: council follow-up action list.

[1:33:49] Trustee Allen: Yes well number one right there in front of on your screen right

[1:33:52] Trustee Allen: there I was just wondering is because I was looking at the protocol agreement with province

[1:33:57] Trustee Allen: on this and just is it the the whole executive committee actually meets with the minister like

[1:34:06] Trustee Allen: what happens in this meeting and again who's attending because because if you look at 6.4

[1:34:14] Trustee Allen: the agreement it says meet with the islands trust executive committee to receive the trust's annual

[1:34:20] Trustee Allen: funding request package and to deal with trust concerns regarding the annual funding request so

[1:34:26] Trustee Allen: i was just curious um is this what happens is it the whole executive committee or is it the chair

[1:34:31] Trustee Allen: and the ceo and why also is the target date uh december 2022 so after the next election okay

[1:34:40] Voice 26: thank you um ceo hudson do you want to address the framework for that i

[1:34:46] Voice 21: think we're discussing

[1:34:47] Voice 21: on page 13 item one i'm not seeing the quote provided by the trustee this is an ongoing

[1:34:55] Voice 21: project of trust council to approach the province for more funding than the average 180 000

[1:35:02] Voice 21: it gets as an annual contribution um to uh to the organization um there's been discussion though it

[1:35:11] Voice 21: was pre-covered or into the folding of the colded time between ourselves and the conservancy around

[1:35:16] Voice 21: a strategy there initial discussions over the last say six months with the or six months hence

[1:35:22] Voice 21: with the province where they weren't really entertaining that conversation given the pandemic

[1:35:27] Voice 21: And really that's where it sits so we will be reformulating your strategy and moving into that space. And that's why you see a later target.

[1:35:37] Trustee Allen: And is this an end. Is this the early that you meet with the minister requesting more money or

[1:35:46] Voice 21: no, I'm not. No, no, no, this is a, this is a special consideration of Trust Council to

[1:35:56] Voice 21: approach the province when the time is right and build a case to receive more funds than

[1:36:01] Voice 21: we currently do for our general law okay

[1:36:05] Voice 26: thank you thank you

[1:36:08] Voice 25: any

[1:36:09] Voice 26: other questions on the follow-up

[1:36:10] Voice 26: action list a digital hand would be helpful or if you don't have a digital hand speak

[1:36:18] Voice 26: up then i'm going to receive the trust council pull-up action list as presented for information

[1:36:26] Voice 26: by general consent.

[1:36:28] Voice 26: I'm gonna go to 4.1.3, continuous learning plan.

[1:36:31] Voice 26: Trustee Buchanan, you requested that one.

[1:36:34] Voice 42: Yes, and thank you.

[1:36:38] Voice 42: Sorry, I just wanna make sure I'm on the screen properly

[1:36:43] Voice 42: and not just in the top of my head.

[1:36:45] Voice 42: Okay, I'd like to suggest there's a number 14

[1:36:49] Voice 42: on the list of possible topics, page 33,

[1:36:53] Voice 42: which is community engagement processes,

[1:36:55] Voice 42: looking particularly at some of the best practices and approaches taken by the International Association for Public Participation, IAPP.

[1:37:06] Voice 42: I think, you know, it would be a really great time to bring that forward.

[1:37:10] Voice 42: I think we've got this report coming up later in our meeting from MODIS,

[1:37:15] Voice 42: which talks a lot about public participation and particularly about uh the um focus that we

[1:37:23] Voice 42: we feel these days are the the need to pay extra attention to how inclusive it is but also the

[1:37:30] Voice 42: focus on a deliberative approach which engages people and asks them to to deliberate to listen

[1:37:37] Voice 42: and speak and um think it through and not just the old town hall where you've got the pro and con and

[1:37:44] Voice 42: and people um just stay in that pro and con uh binary uh and so i would like to suggest that we

[1:37:52] Voice 42: we prioritize this maybe even get modus and that they've they've worked for us and i see they do

[1:37:58] Voice 42: education or another group to give us a a workshop on uh public engagement and community consultation

[1:38:06] Voice 42: All

[1:38:08] Voice 26: right, then. Thank you, Trustee Bishaykin. I would suggest

[1:38:13] Voice 42: that

[1:38:14] Voice 26: the most effective way to implement that would indeed be to provide a motion to direct us to do so, and then we'll find out if Council agrees with it.

[1:38:27] Voice 42: Okay, can I just, I think it's pretty straightforward. I could just make a motion right now.

[1:38:32] Voice 26: Sure, advancing item 14 on the...

[1:38:35] Voice 26: Yeah,

[1:38:35] Voice 42: I move that Trust Council prioritize item 14. What does it say that? Engagement. I'm just going to, if I'd like to look at more general public engagement tools and approaches.

[1:38:58] Voice 42: So that trust council advance item 14 public engagement tools and approaches as a topic for continuous learning.

[1:39:16] Voice 26: Or so I might ask that for clarity before that seconded engagement tools associated the IAP2 is what that item 14 is specifically and is that what you're interested is or more broad?

[1:39:30] Voice 42: i i'll then take take 14 out of there and just i i'd like to keep the topic a little more broad um

[1:39:38] Voice 42: so i would just say public engagement tools and approaches right as a priority topic okay let's

[1:39:48] Voice 26: see if uh yeah

[1:39:49] Voice 42: i'm sorry lori searching it up now

[1:39:52] Voice 26: let's see if lori has that motion for us and then

[1:39:54] Voice 26: i'll look for a seconder once we know what the motion is a

[1:40:07] Voice 42: priority topic for um uh

[1:40:11] Voice 28: future learning

[1:40:12] Voice 25: opportunities yeah

[1:40:14] Voice 42: okay

[1:40:17] Voice 26: so you're satisfied with that motion uh trustee beshaken

[1:40:21] Voice 26: yeah all right do i have a seconder i see trustee fenton has seconded the motion um

[1:40:27] Voice 26: um is there any discussion on this topic raise digital hands otherwise we'll go to the vote

[1:40:33] Voice 26: looks oh i see dan rogers trustee langer i trustee pass

[1:40:39] Voice 36: it's not thank you um it's not so much a

[1:40:43] Voice 36: question and i appreciate the the sentiment i i i wonder if the speaker or the mover or this

[1:40:50] Voice 36: could um clarify if this is intended for me for local trust committees um which have a certain

[1:40:57] Voice 36: dynamic or if they're intended to be for the trust broadly because we did have some reporting on

[1:41:04] Voice 36: on IEP2 from the CAO about 18 months ago, I recall.

[1:41:08] Voice 36: So it would help me as an executive member

[1:41:12] Voice 36: to sort of get some clarity around

[1:41:15] Voice 36: what forum you were thinking of.

[1:41:17] Voice 36: I agree with you that town halls tend to be challenging

[1:41:21] Voice 36: and not perhaps the most productive at all times,

[1:41:24] Voice 36: but can you clarify that for me?

[1:41:26] Voice 36: Do you understand my question, hopefully?

[1:41:28] Voice 42: Yes, so Chair Blanca, may I answer?

[1:41:31] Voice 42: Yes, please.

[1:41:32] Voice 42: okay yeah no it's a good question um i mean i was thinking broadly for the trust although if i had

[1:41:38] Voice 42: to pick one focus it actually would be local trust committees because i think it is something that we

[1:41:43] Voice 42: we need to look at at that level and what i was thinking and that's why i didn't necessarily want

[1:41:47] Voice 42: the iap to mention there is uh looking not just i think it was really good that we got that

[1:41:55] Voice 42: understanding of the spectrum and the terminology used by the iap2 for the different types of

[1:42:00] Voice 42: consultation but I'd like to get a little more into some of the issues the complexities the

[1:42:04] Voice 42: philosophy and the specific tools some of what you're which are already mentioned in that

[1:42:10] Voice 42: modus report but how it could work at the local trust committee level um in particular um to get

[1:42:16] Voice 42: us out of that so it seems like a bit of an endless wheel of of the town hall approach where

[1:42:22] Voice 42: it's just everyone comes prepared to just shut down the people who think something different and

[1:42:26] Voice 42: And it doesn't really get further than that.

[1:42:29] Voice 42: I don't know if that was, did that clarify it?

[1:42:33] Voice 26: Well, to some extent, but I guess what I wonder,

[1:42:37] Voice 26: and maybe that's trustee Rogers,

[1:42:39] Voice 26: part of trustees Rogers questions,

[1:42:41] Voice 26: but it's up to him to speak whether or not that's true.

[1:42:44] Voice 26: But obviously this is trust council's learning objectives

[1:42:48] Voice 26: and opportunities more so than local trust committees.

[1:42:51] Voice 26: Certainly what you learned

[1:42:52] Voice 26: would inform local trust committees.

[1:42:54] Voice 26: But if the intention is that this be enacted

[1:42:56] Voice 26: acted at a local trust committee level i think that that would be up to a local trust committee

[1:43:00] Voice 26: to initiate and

[1:43:01] Voice 1: so this is really

[1:43:01] Voice 26: you know this opportunity and this learning um uh document is

[1:43:06] Voice 26: about trust councils federation-wide learning so if

[1:43:11] Voice 42: i may um i think it's it is something we would

[1:43:15] Voice 42: all i think the point is that we can take what we learn here and use it in all our work for the

[1:43:20] Voice 42: trust and i think this is something that i believe we're all interested in and that we all need to do

[1:43:25] Voice 42: and oversee in all our work so um and in fact as individual trustees most of us make more decisions

[1:43:33] Voice 42: about public engagement at the local trust committee level uh rather than the trust council

[1:43:39] Voice 42: level because that's often done by executive committee but i think um it is a federation-wide

[1:43:44] Voice 42: topic no matter what we do with information that we learn and i don't think there's there's a budget

[1:43:50] Voice 42: or even a mechanism for local trust committees individually to get this training and then

[1:43:55] Voice 42: repeat it local trust committee by local trust committee okay

[1:43:58] Voice 26: so hopefully that answers trustee

[1:44:00] Voice 26: rogers question um seems to me like this is achievable and i'm going to go to trustee

[1:44:06] Voice 26: longer ice and then fast and then perhaps we'll go to a vote yeah

[1:44:11] Voice 46: thank you i just wanted to get

[1:44:12] Voice 46: one point of clarification is there a timeline for this when you use the word prioritize are

[1:44:17] Voice 46: Are you intending that it would be

[1:44:19] Voice 46: at the next trust council meeting

[1:44:20] Voice 46: or at some time down the road?

[1:44:22] Voice 42: Well, I'm hoping the next one,

[1:44:24] Voice 42: but it was suggested to me not to put timelines in motions

[1:44:29] Voice 42: because it's such an unpredictable context we work in.

[1:44:36] Voice 42: Executive

[1:44:36] Voice 26: committee will take this as motion as guidance

[1:44:39] Voice 26: about the next available opportunity.

[1:44:42] Voice 26: And so then we'll consider it.

[1:44:44] Voice 46: The reason I asked is because one of my priorities

[1:44:47] Voice 46: would certainly be the item number one,

[1:44:49] Voice 46: which is around the Marine foreshore rules,

[1:44:51] Voice 46: the clarification of our roles and responsibilities

[1:44:54] Voice 46: and authority and that, so.

[1:44:58] Voice 26: Okay, so on this motion, Trustee Faust.

[1:45:02] Trustee Fast: Thank you, yeah, just speaking in favor of the motion,

[1:45:05] Trustee Fast: I think the town halls were described to me recently

[1:45:09] Trustee Fast: at a meeting as a tradition

[1:45:10] Trustee Fast: and that people expect to have a town hall.

[1:45:17] Trustee Fast: And to me, that's not, I think there are many more tools now that could fit the different kinds of situations that we're looking for input in and the different kinds of people that we're looking for input from.

[1:45:31] Trustee Fast: And now in the world of digital tools, it would be good to have a handle on those as well.

[1:45:37] Trustee Fast: And some of the new changing world of engagement.

[1:45:41] Trustee Fast: So I'm in favor.

[1:45:42] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:45:44] Voice 26: Thank you.

[1:45:45] Voice 26: not seeing any other speakers i'll call the vote all those in favor please raise your digital hands

[1:45:51] Voice 26: i'm seeing 16 17 in favor um please lower your hands um those opposed and opposed looks like

[1:46:18] Voice 26: i'm seeing two so that carries and so executive committee will take that into consideration when

[1:46:23] Voice 26: we review our planning for the upcoming councils thank you very much um is there anybody else

[1:46:29] Voice 26: wish to speak to uh that item uh one point four point one point three that the lower

[1:46:37] Voice 26: bishop can ask to be called not seeing any further hands then let us continue on to uh section 4.2

[1:46:47] Voice 26: these are discussion and decision items and we're going to start off with uh the cao's uh report at

[1:46:55] Voice 26: 4.2.1 page 40 and uh cao hot term pillar um thank you for your service to the allen's trust it's

[1:47:01] Voice 26: nice to be here with you over to you thank you very much um and my own

[1:47:06] Voice 21: screen yes yeah oh thanks

[1:47:12] Voice 21: sorry yeah with a half a mask i look like a forlorn elf i apologize um it's great to be back

[1:47:20] Voice 21: with you uh trustees and trust council um i'll just make a few remarks here as we move into the

[1:47:26] Voice 21: to the meat of the session um i can't help but note uh you know the words that you've been saying

[1:47:34] Voice 21: over the last hour and a half around what has been a daunting summer um when you combine a pandemic

[1:47:40] Voice 21: with um wildfires um drought uh seemingly daily evidence of climate change um social challenges

[1:47:50] Voice 21: um that uh i just want you to know that uh first of all it seems like you have quite a bit in

[1:47:56] Voice 21: common as you go island by island and hear these stories and the second is as an organization um we

[1:48:04] Voice 21: are quite alive

[1:48:05] Voice 21: to all of this um we are understanding that there's significant

[1:48:11] Voice 21: challenges every day i come into the office and uh during the summer and there hasn't been some

[1:48:16] Voice 21: sort of wildfire event um on one of these islands is uh is a good day as far as i'm concerned

[1:48:21] Voice 21: so i just wanted to um pass on those words um i can't help but note that this is our our eighth

[1:48:30] Voice 21: trust council meeting via zoom so um we've got some new learned behaviors and um as time goes

[1:48:38] Voice 21: on we're going to be unlearning them so i'm going to um or some elements of that so i'm going to go

[1:48:43] Voice 21: now to covid

[1:48:43] Voice 21: and where we are right now obviously you're all tracking this but as an organization

[1:48:49] Voice 21: you have to be mindful of where we are um you know some 600 cases or more um actively on the island

[1:48:56] Voice 21: um a cresting fourth wave uh it feels like uh though we are in stage three of the restart plan

[1:49:04] Voice 21: it really feels in many ways that uh it's more like phase uh two or even phase one um as we're

[1:49:12] Voice 21: interacting with the public and and doing our work um our offices are open our staff generally

[1:49:18] Voice 21: are working from home though the offices are more staff than they have been before

[1:49:24] Voice 21: that's providing the organization some real resilience much as you've described a challenging

[1:49:30] Voice 21: summer I would say that there has been a significant amount of work to be done this

[1:49:36] Voice 21: summer and probably over my years in government you could someone could describe the the rhythm

[1:49:43] Voice 21: of a year as being you know this summer there's uh sometimes a little less going on and people

[1:49:49] Voice 21: are on vacations and the same same rhythm happens um in december but those distinctions are gone

[1:49:56] Voice 21: um it's pretty much full-on on a continuous basis for the most part staff ended up taking

[1:50:03] Voice 21: some vacation we we had two primary pieces of work since we last saw you in july that being

[1:50:09] Voice 21: working through the policy statement work and then into um electronic meetings um

[1:50:15] Voice 21: and so that's some of the significant reporting we're going to give you

[1:50:19] Voice 21: today i am going to just i know the next item on the agenda is electronic meetings but

[1:50:24] Voice 21: because we are moving into the next um version of interaction with the public i'm just going

[1:50:31] Voice 21: to go over a number of key points um so that we're all of a common understanding

[1:50:36] Voice 21: it so as of

[1:50:39] Voice 21: september 29th ministerial order 192 will cease to be in effect and that allowed us to

[1:50:45] Voice 21: all sit in our homes in various places and conduct electronic meetings at the same time we just

[1:50:52] Voice 21: received an amendment to our electronic meetings regulations which will allow regular meetings to

[1:50:56] Voice 21: be held electronically in addition to special meetings we will all have to amend our various

[1:51:03] Voice 21: procedures bylaws to allow those to occur i want to point out to you that the key difference here

[1:51:11] Voice 21: by allowing this electronic regulation capability is that elected officials will not be required

[1:51:19] Voice 21: to be in space however we will be required to have a public meeting space to have staff present

[1:51:27] Voice 21: at that location so that the community can hear or see and hear the proceedings of a local trust

[1:51:35] Voice 21: committee or a body of the islands trust so that's just a key consideration if you have any questions

[1:51:40] Voice 21: around that feel free to get in touch with me um as we move into um late september and early october

[1:51:48] Voice 21: we're going to be conducting meetings in community and i've heard that that's going to be a welcome

[1:51:53] Voice 21: thing what are those protocols going to be and what rules and regulations are we going to

[1:51:59] Voice 21: um have to abide by as we undertake those meetings so for in-person meetings all islands trust

[1:52:08] Voice 21: meeting attendees 12 years and older including staff and trustees will be required to wear a mask

[1:52:13] Voice 21: for the duration of a meeting in accordance with the provincial health order on face coverings

[1:52:20] Voice 21: through the september 10th provincial health order on events and gatherings

[1:52:27] Voice 21: gatherings as and public engagement sessions and workshops attendees are exempt from requirement

[1:52:35] Voice 21: to show proof of vaccination so we will be not will not be doing vaccination passport

[1:52:43] checks for islands

[1:52:46] Voice 21: trust business nor are any other local government type organizations

[1:52:52] Voice 21: throughout the province and this is a matter of the function not the location meaning um in a

[1:53:00] Voice 21: community hall or something like that a community hall might have that requirement but because it's

[1:53:06] Voice 21: a local government we're using that space um that requirement isn't required the maximum number of

[1:53:13] Voice 21: people allowed indoor meetings is limited to 50 persons or 50 of the seating capacity whichever

[1:53:19] Voice 25: ever

[1:53:19] Voice 21: is greater we will have staff people at meetings who will be monitoring the number of

[1:53:25] Voice 21: people that um are in attendance since we're in step three of the restart plans sort of this

[1:53:31] Voice 21: whole idea we're in step three who might be living a version of that that's um a little more

[1:53:37] Voice 21: challenging um physical distancing for seating is no longer a requirement it is preferred however

[1:53:43] Voice 21: and we would have posting that expresses that uh the next report we have coming up is going to

[1:53:51] Voice 21: speak to sort of the technological requirements and where we are there and we'll get into that

[1:53:56] Voice 21: into a moment but i just wanted to go through just some of the key elements associated with

[1:54:00] Voice 21: us moving into this next phase i want to thank you very much for your patience as we do this

[1:54:05] Voice 21: getting out of this situation into our new normal is going to be much more challenging than the

[1:54:10] Voice 21: the opposite that occurred in march 2020 when we simply had a technological fix

[1:54:17] Voice 21: for our public engagement and public media processes so um in the next month and a half

[1:54:23] Voice 21: two months bear with us as we try and get this um right um i'm just going to conclude my remarks

[1:54:31] Voice 21: right now mr chair on on a somber note i just want to take you uh it's not into my confidence but uh

[1:54:38] Voice 21: uh just to inform you that uh unfortunately uh David Marver isn't with us today um David uh had

[1:54:45] Voice 21: a health challenge on Friday um he had a heart attack and um he's well and in recovery and we've

[1:54:54] Voice 21: got Robert Kojima is stepping in in his stead here for this trust Council session um we wish him well

[1:55:00] Voice 21: David provides a very unique um intellectual power to the islands trust a really photographic memory

[1:55:06] Voice 21: memory around our rules and regulations and requirements and I certainly miss him when he's

[1:55:13] Voice 21: not here helping out so but I talked with him and he said he wished me to pass on that news to you

[1:55:21] Voice 21: and the news that he is doing quite well so that I turn it back to you Mr. Chair and

[1:55:29] Voice 21: see if you want to take the rest of what I didn't go to next okay or respond to any questions

[1:55:34] Voice 21: yeah

[1:55:35] Voice 26: so well thank you very much and particularly for the message about David and I know that

[1:55:41] Voice 26: myself and others would want to send our best wishes to him in his recovery and look forward

[1:55:47] Voice 26: to him turning to so I see a couple of hands up our questions on your reporting out so this

[1:55:54] Voice 26: would be trustee Allen first and then trustee Rowe yeah

[1:55:59] Trustee Allen: I was just wondering about the

[1:56:01] Trustee Allen: exempt from that vaccination so um in terms of the the trust council in victoria um let's say

[1:56:09] Trustee Allen: delegates or town hall members or whatever whoever is is are will they be exempt from vaccinations

[1:56:16] Trustee Allen: at the hotel or is that a whole different story well we're going to

[1:56:20] Voice 21: find out you know the hotel's

[1:56:23] Voice 21: view of this we have a fairly clear understanding we've spoken live with the ministry well not live

[1:56:30] Voice 21: via zoom but we had direct discussions with them around the obligations and if you're having a

[1:56:35] Voice 21: local government function um then that is the the predominant authority let's say um as we engage

[1:56:43] Voice 21: with the hotel we'll find out what those specifics are and we'll inform you as uh as soon as we're

[1:56:49] Voice 21: aware of them this is a bit of a moving um target as you can appreciate but um as far as we

[1:56:56] Voice 21: understand right now um there's there's no requirement any building um to have if you're

[1:57:05] Voice 21: hosting a local government event to have um vaccination um passport provision um lots of

[1:57:13] Voice 21: government you know i have a meeting with the regional caos um they're all um working through

[1:57:21] Voice 21: through how they do this, and you are too.

[1:57:24] Voice 21: The only thing we're doing is we're doing it times 13

[1:57:28] Voice 21: and trying to provide an electronic meeting component

[1:57:31] Voice 21: on top of that.

[1:57:32] Voice 21: So that's the challenge in front of us.

[1:57:35] Voice 25: Thank you, Steve.

[1:57:37] Voice 25: Peter Groh.

[1:57:40] Voice 6: Thanks.

[1:57:41] Voice 6: I don't know if you're able to say generally, Russ,

[1:57:44] Voice 6: but what's the state of morale, staff morale

[1:57:49] Voice 6: in our various offices going through?

[1:57:54] Voice 21: we'll speak again probably later on in this trust council and that's that's going to be a good space

[1:58:00] Voice 21: um i'd say everything you've said about your existence and what you're seeing on your islands

[1:58:07] Voice 21: there's some version of that is being experienced by others and um certainly the um the employment

[1:58:15] Voice 21: market is volatile um the workloads and stress is significant i'd say in my number of years here

[1:58:23] Voice 21: it's as high as it's been um the uh we've got some uh the northern office we have to take

[1:58:32] Voice 21: pay particular attention to because there's some uh um some real estate questions going on around

[1:58:38] Voice 21: bath and the location of that office which we're working through which we'll also speak about later

[1:58:43] Voice 21: on in this meeting but to a person i'd say overall good really um i'm proud of the staff and i think

[1:58:51] for doing some good work and um generally in a reasonably good space okay

[1:58:59] Voice 26: thank you um cao um

[1:59:01] Voice 26: i'm just gonna add you know any opportunity that you have to provide encouraging remarks or moral

[1:59:06] Voice 26: support to the staff is uh much appreciated um because um these are difficult times um socially

[1:59:14] Voice 26: and um so uh we can all do our part uh trustee langerice over to you yeah

[1:59:20] Voice 46: okay yeah i i yes i

[1:59:22] Voice 46: I certainly agree with the comments about staff.

[1:59:24] Voice 46: They are doing a good job in managing this whole process.

[1:59:27] Voice 46: I had just one question about the grant funding portion of your report.

[1:59:32] Voice 46: When you did the application, was it specific to certain applications,

[1:59:36] Voice 46: or was it a more general application?

[1:59:39] Voice 46: Because I understand that it's focused primarily on housing applications.

[1:59:45] Voice 21: Well, the grant mechanism provided by the province,

[1:59:49] Voice 21: um that provided the boundaries by which you could apply

[1:59:54] Voice 21: and so every jurisdiction is going in there and looking how can we satisfy these

[2:00:00] Voice 21: grant requirements so we went in with a very specific request um for that those funds that

[2:00:07] Voice 21: would give us the best chance of getting a grant and that's specific to ongoing work

[2:00:11] Voice 21: um of the islands trust and so no the application and the and the result was a pointed um application

[2:00:19] Voice 21: process does that does that answer your question it wasn't it wasn't general and they responded

[2:00:26] Voice 21: at home you can use these things we um considered the options under the grant and applied for those

[2:00:32] Voice 21: things and were granted those funds and um specifically a review of our development

[2:00:40] Voice 21: approvals process which is some would say is long overdue and also a secondary piece which is

[2:00:47] Voice 21: is really matter from heaven.

[2:00:49] Voice 21: And that is that we have an internal and external means

[2:00:57] Voice 21: of processing our applications that is years out of date

[2:01:00] Voice 21: in this customized piece of software

[2:01:02] Voice 21: that eventually you will have to fund its replacement.

[2:01:06] Voice 21: And we're getting a chance to have that taken care of

[2:01:09] vis-a-vis this grant,

[2:01:10] such that we can be much more transparent,

[2:01:14] and um that the

[2:01:15] Voice 21: application process is clear that um there's an ability to prioritize various things

[2:01:22] Voice 21: and um it's quite welcome so those are the two main streams of background okay thank you

[2:01:30] Voice 26: um i don't see any other questions at the moment so i'm going to move on and thank you cal for your

[2:01:37] Voice 26: report um uh we are now at uh you've already spoken briefly on the overall electronic meetings

[2:01:44] Voice 26: function but now specifically on the capability of the local trust committees trust council and

[2:01:49] Voice 26: trust committees briefing over to you again sir page 43 of your agenda

[2:01:54] Voice 21: uh well trust council

[2:01:55] Voice 21: this is about my third report on this topic and i can either respond to questions or you can simply

[2:02:01] Voice 21: receive it and move on to the next two or three items that you've got that you want to address

[2:02:05] Voice 21: us in the next hour or so um you received last trust council um uh reporting in a recommendation

[2:02:14] Voice 21: to move in a certain direction um in you uh had some qualified support around that we've

[2:02:22] Voice 21: since done more work and because we knew that in late september 192 would lapse we have to be

[2:02:31] Voice 21: prepared to do and um host electronic meetings so what's being presented to you instead of a faded

[2:02:38] Voice 21: complete is a more graduated approach we're not getting seven different um uh kits we're taking

[2:02:47] Voice 21: four we're reactivating the vice chairs as the conduits um thank them when you see them they

[2:02:53] Voice 21: will be the carriers of the technology to each of these meetings we're going to initially broadcast

[2:02:58] Voice 21: cast and stream where possible and then we are going to trial what we are currently living through

[2:03:07] Voice 21: or having the benefits of and that is fully interactive zoom meetings so we're going to take

[2:03:11] Voice 21: select versions of that to make sure we can do it because we aren't completely certain that in all

[2:03:16] Voice 21: locations we can provide that and over the next couple of me a couple of months we'll

[2:03:22] Voice 21: be trialing those that's the essence of this so the bottom line is this is progressing

[2:03:28] Voice 21: the two or three reports i've provided to you in summary get us to where we are right now

[2:03:34] Voice 21: the dollars being proposed here are substantially in our original budget so there isn't a budget

[2:03:41] Voice 21: associated with us sort of taking on live plus the potential for electronic meetings

[2:03:46] Voice 21: Mayor Mrakas, Okay,

[2:03:49] Voice 26: thank you, and certainly questions seem like the ideal situation to advance through our agenda items in the next half an hour here, so I don't see any questions oh Dan Rogers, thank

[2:04:03] Voice 36: you, Mr CEO I wonder if you could talk about.

[2:04:06] Voice 36: Mayor Mrakas, What the timing, if you have any idea, I know this is, I know this is changing, if not by the by the week by the day, and maybe even by the hour, but the timing of how we're going we're going to be.

[2:04:19] Voice 36: going to be seeing some of this equipment because some meetings are coming up early in October that

[2:04:24] Voice 36: I have and not quite sure what they're going to look like and the second thing I wouldn't mind

[2:04:28] Voice 36: you just I know you mentioned in your report is is one of the the stopping places for some of this

[2:04:35] Voice 36: is whether or not there's any technical support for the for whatever this equipment is and what's

[2:04:43] Voice 36: going to happen at the local trust committees or whether it's going to just fall on the staff

[2:04:48] Voice 36: that's at the meeting including or the vice chair etc and whatever happens happens or i and i

[2:04:53] Voice 36: appreciate that all of that is still evolving and you're faced with the press council resolution

[2:04:59] Voice 36: from june so i wonder but i wonder if you could speak to that a little bit

[2:05:03] Voice 21: well we do have one

[2:05:05] Voice 21: kit that's going to be uh out on the street as it were i believe for the october 4th galliano meeting

[2:05:12] Voice 21: um the other kits are being built they've been ordered and they're being built so that's pretty

[2:05:16] Voice 21: much a daily um occurrence so i'm suspecting um fairly early in october we would have those

[2:05:24] Voice 21: kids and we'd have them out to the vice chairs our default is a live meeting on island um and

[2:05:32] Voice 21: the next level will be a meeting on island that's recorded and broadcast or live streamed the next

[2:05:41] Voice 21: level would be an on-island meeting where staff can attend via zoom to um advise you there would

[2:05:48] Voice 21: be staff um a staff person at a meeting call but in order to cut down on our um for a variety of

[2:05:56] Voice 21: reasons which i'm sure you all agree to have a variety of staff showing up for a half an hour

[2:06:00] Voice 21: session is not a wise climate change activity or use of most people's time so we're trying to

[2:06:07] Voice 21: facilitate that and then the fourth level um would be the provision of fully interactive meetings

[2:06:15] Voice 21: so i'm i'm somewhat confident that between october 4th and the 14th that we'll have those kits

[2:06:23] Voice 21: out there and rolling so that's that's your first question and

[2:06:28] Voice 28: your second was

[2:06:34] Voice 36: um i i i understand one of the limitations is the availability of technical support

[2:06:41] Voice 36: during the course of with this equipment and i'm not quite sure well i guess we'll know when the

[2:06:46] Voice 36: equipment comes out as to how that plays out well

[2:06:49] Voice 21: we're trying to keep it as simple as we possibly

[2:06:51] Voice 21: can and hence the technology from the last meeting to this meeting is different um we've tested it

[2:06:59] Voice 21: out in a variety of circumstances not perfect but very doable and the i think the average vice

[2:07:05] Voice 21: chair will be able to uh set it up just a joke little vice chair joke there um i have to say

[2:07:12] Voice 21: what about the sub-average

[2:07:14] Voice 36: chair but

[2:07:15] Voice 21: that's the that's the mechanism i know there's been a wish

[2:07:19] Voice 21: expressed by trustees to get on island expertise we did some you know that's that is there is

[2:07:24] Voice 21: potentially some possibility we did actually go out to a couple of vendors on islands around hey

[2:07:30] Voice 21: what would it take for you to run a meeting it's in the hundreds of dollars to to run a single ltc

[2:07:37] Voice 21: meeting so i think collectively we may under appreciate the actual cost of staging a an

[2:07:43] electronic meeting

[2:07:44] Voice 21: in a public space um given our requirements as a government so um we're going with

[2:07:53] Voice 21: the easy version we're going to see whether it works and if it doesn't we'll have to figure out

[2:07:58] Voice 26: something else something else okay so um i want to move along because we've got potentially some

[2:08:05] Voice 26: discussion here on policies um trustee longer ice and then trustee allen questions on the report

[2:08:12] Voice 26: yeah

[2:08:13] Voice 46: yes yes thank you yeah just what i'm curious of one thing the six months trial period makes

[2:08:18] Voice 46: sense to me which would take us to march at 2022 and the interim bill we're going to be doing our

[2:08:24] Voice 46: budget. So I'm assuming that the budget in the draft budget in December would probably include

[2:08:31] Voice 46: this level of service. And then that's in March, potentially, we're going to have to have an

[2:08:36] Voice 46: additional monies if the added technology costs and human resource costs are appropriate. Is that

[2:08:42] Voice 46: what that means? You

[2:08:44] Voice 21: know, you described it better than I could. That's exactly it. If we can get

[2:08:49] Voice 21: enough information back and enough interest expressed by all of you that you want that

[2:08:55] Voice 21: fully enhanced version because if only four local trust committees want to go there

[2:09:03] Voice 21: it's hard to justify a full fte but then who's going to be doing that work

[2:09:07] Voice 21: so that leads us into the middle space if you all go sounds great we actually can do it um

[2:09:13] Voice 21: then it's just a matter of funding it.

[2:09:15] Voice 21: So it's through the budget process

[2:09:17] Voice 21: that we're hoping to feed in that six months of data.

[2:09:20] Voice 21: I just put six months in there to give me a little runway,

[2:09:23] Voice 21: but as soon as we can get some examples,

[2:09:26] Voice 21: we'll be back to you to see whether you want to fund it

[2:09:28] Voice 21: in the coming year,

[2:09:30] Voice 21: or whether you're happy with a version of the step

[2:09:34] Voice 21: and hence status quo.

[2:09:38] Voice 26: Okay, thank you, Trustee Longerich.

[2:09:39] Voice 26: Trustee Allen.

[2:09:41] Trustee Allen: Yeah, sort of following up with what you said,

[2:09:44] Trustee Allen: said ceo is um like our island obviously is not going to be able to have this until we get better

[2:09:51] Trustee Allen: internet so i have concerns that we us islands that don't have that internet capability at this

[2:09:56] Trustee Allen: point are going to have to pay this you know have this put on as a trust council but on the budget

[2:10:02] Trustee Allen: when it's only a particular island so i would like to see this more going towards specific

[2:10:07] Trustee Allen: the islands that do have this capability and funding it somehow separately because i don't

[2:10:15] Trustee Allen: doesn't make sense for a hornby island to be paying for something that we can't use at this

[2:10:20] Trustee Allen: point i

[2:10:23] Voice 21: i fear to answer that question trustee allen at this point you fund things as a collective

[2:10:31] Voice 21: um valid point but uh trust council would need to work its way through

[2:10:38] Voice 28: how

[2:10:40] Voice 21: it funds this or any

[2:10:41] Voice 21: any other discrete offering of a trust.

[2:10:48] Voice 26: Okay, so we'll certainly thank you for those remarks

[2:10:51] Voice 26: and that's worthy of hearing considerations.

[2:10:59] Voice 26: So I'm not seeing any other hands up.

[2:11:01] Voice 26: So move on, we'll receive that for information.

[2:11:04] Voice 26: There's no action associated with that.

[2:11:06] Voice 26: The next three items are part

[2:11:08] Voice 26: of the legislative services portfolio,

[2:11:12] Voice 26: portfolio, really, upgrading and updating our policy that exists. And that will be ongoing

[2:11:18] Voice 26: work. It comes to you through executive committee, but it's just a process of updating policies that

[2:11:28] Voice 26: are outdated, which you've seen that list at previous council meetings. And so that work

[2:11:33] Voice 26: continues. So I'm going to turn it over to the CAO to introduce this one,

[2:11:37] Voice 26: amendments to trust council policy 2.1.2 standards of conduct um and we'll go from there

[2:11:45] Voice 26: as this is a decision yeah thanks

[2:11:47] Voice 21: mr chair so uh this if you're looking down at this and the two

[2:11:51] Voice 21: other policies that follow it are are part of a suite of 14 different policies that um you received

[2:11:58] Voice 21: reporting on maybe a couple of months ago no six months ago i'd say even where you amended your

[2:12:02] Voice 21: strategic plan to say we have to modernize some of the policies beyond trust some of them have been

[2:12:10] Voice 21: untouched since the early 90s and there's well over a hundred we sort of triaged those

[2:12:16] Voice 21: and brought them forward and i think we had two at our last trust council meeting not the

[2:12:21] Voice 21: july 8th one but the june meeting and um bless our hearts here we are again with three more

[2:12:27] Voice 21: so we're um trying to uh dust some of these policies off get them modern um and get them

[2:12:33] Voice 21: to a place where you think that they will work for trust council so that's what these three

[2:12:37] are here for carmen is the main author of these so i'd really turn it over to carmen for um

[2:12:45] if you're

[2:12:45] Voice 21: okay with that for any review um or any questions absolutely

[2:12:50] Voice 26: carmen you want to just

[2:12:51] Voice 26: introduce the first one and then it looks like we've got a few questions here um and then we'll

[2:12:56] Voice 26: go with the

[2:12:57] Voice 19: questions sure so the model code of conduct that ubcm and lgma came up with

[2:13:02] Voice 19: a couple of years ago and several other recently adopted municipal and regional district codes of

[2:13:09] Voice 19: conduct were reviewed to refresh island's trust policy which was first adopted in 1992 i think

[2:13:15] Voice 19: we were one of the earlier agencies to adopt something like this and i can just very quickly

[2:13:21] Voice 19: run over the changes. Page 55 shows the track changes. So replacing gender specific pronouns

[2:13:29] Voice 19: with gender neutral, added definitions for what a member and trustee is. We stripped out any

[2:13:36] Voice 19: reference to senior staff in this, so it just focuses on trustees. Included language about

[2:13:42] Voice 19: expectations during election campaigns and use of resources. Added a new section five about

[2:13:49] Voice 19: about expectations, conduct, and behavior at meetings.

[2:13:53] Voice 19: Flushed out section six on a review panel

[2:13:56] Voice 19: when there are breaches and how they'll be handled.

[2:13:59] Voice 19: I think we had two lines in the previous policy

[2:14:01] Voice 19: and it was confusing to staff how the process would work.

[2:14:05] Voice 19: And finally requiring that this policy be reviewed

[2:14:09] Voice 19: during an orientation session of trustees

[2:14:11] Voice 19: after each election.

[2:14:13] Voice 19: So that is the number of the changes that were made.

[2:14:17] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:14:18] Voice 26: Thank you very much, Carmen. Trustee Morrison, over to you. You have a question, a remark?

[2:14:24] Voice 18: Yes. I think more remark and I'd like to make a motion related to this just to get

[2:14:30] Voice 18: the conversation on a motion. I have to make the motion and then feel free to speak to it. So

[2:14:38] Voice 18: I move that trust counsel request further or different amendments to policy 2.1.2 prior to

[2:14:46] Voice 18: adoption it's one of the alternative motions oh

[2:14:54] Voice 26: i i see so you're wanting to advance the alternate

[2:14:57] Voice 26: motion

[2:14:57] Voice 18: um

[2:14:59] Voice 26: and

[2:15:00] Voice 18: then i'll speak to it

[2:15:01] Voice 26: i'm sorry okay so

[2:15:07] Voice 28: do you have

[2:15:07] Voice 26: some specifics with that or

[2:15:09] Voice 26: um uh

[2:15:13] Voice 18: no i this was the motion as put in there and i'm happy to have a larger conversation

[2:15:18] Voice 18: of what people think are possible amendments.

[2:15:22] Voice 26: I see. Okay.

[2:15:26] Voice 26: I'm just wondering how we're going to manage that.

[2:15:28] Voice 26: Well,

[2:15:29] Voice 21: if I may.

[2:15:31] Voice 21: Yes, please.

[2:15:32] Voice 21: I don't think the alternative isn't provided in the form of a discrete recommendation.

[2:15:44] Voice 21: It would be any amendments you would go through as you see fit.

[2:15:51] Voice 21: i think it's a it's a general alternative that you would request further different amendments

[2:15:55] Voice 21: the specific one is the one that's um provided there so you really have a range of ways to do

[2:16:01] Voice 21: this yeah you can

[2:16:02] Voice 21: say yes to this i guess um and then look through and go one by one through what

[2:16:08] Voice 21: those amendments are or you could just go through the various amendments and um do it do you see

[2:16:14] Voice 21: that there's it's really up to you

[2:16:16] Voice 26: okay um so then i want to respect that motion i'm just i

[2:16:20] Voice 26: I hadn't actually thought about how amendments

[2:16:23] Voice 26: would be accommodated within that alternative

[2:16:27] Voice 26: without specifying them.

[2:16:29] Voice 26: But what we're obviously saying is,

[2:16:31] Voice 26: is that we'll make this motion

[2:16:32] Voice 26: and then obviously we would need to make decisions

[2:16:36] Voice 26: about recommendations for those amendments.

[2:16:38] Voice 26: So then Trustee Morrison, if that's your understanding,

[2:16:41] Voice 26: then you've moved that.

[2:16:42] Voice 26: Is there a seconder for that motion?

[2:16:45] Voice 26: I see Trustee Wright has seconded the motion.

[2:16:48] Voice 26: motion and so do you wish to speak to the motion trustee mark yes

[2:16:53] Voice 18: please all right so um i really

[2:16:57] Voice 18: appreciate the work on this um policy but i in looking through it i had myself um i think 15

[2:17:05] Voice 18: different amendments that i wanted to make so i felt that it was not quite there yet um and in

[2:17:12] Voice 18: In particular, I think I really want to caution trustees and trust counsel as a whole in putting

[2:17:19] Voice 18: in place policy without carefully reflecting on those trustees that work full time for

[2:17:26] Voice 18: a living, because there are numerous policies in here which potentially will cause a lot

[2:17:32] Voice 18: of conflict for people who work full time.

[2:17:34] Voice 18: And so I just think that there needs to be some clarifications put forward a little bit

[2:17:41] Voice 18: it more carefully and thought around that specifically. So my suggestion in terms of

[2:17:47] Voice 18: the question raised around how to do this would be that we actually have suggested policy

[2:17:53] Voice 18: amendments and recommendations forwarded to EC for consideration and then just a list of those

[2:18:00] Voice 18: recommended amendments put forward if there's any big conflicts around that and brought back

[2:18:06] Voice 18: to the december meeting that would be my suggestion

[2:18:10] Voice 26: so now we're on a motion that's on

[2:18:15] Voice 26: the floor and speakers on the motion um and i'm not sure who had their hand up prior to the motion

[2:18:23] Voice 26: but i'm just going to go through the hands up that i see and that is trustee wright trustee allen

[2:18:27] Voice 26: trustee wolverton and then langerice trustee wright over to you yeah

[2:18:33] Voice 14: i i'm a little surprised

[2:18:35] Voice 14: I'm surprised with all the priorities and the things that we that are facing the Island Trust that this has come to the forefront at this time.

[2:18:44] Voice 14: I'm kind of an old school guy that figures of what's good for the goose is good for the gander and I'm a little confused about why staff would be removed from this list.

[2:18:55] Voice 14: i think that uh i think there's also another flaw is that people are the number of people that can

[2:19:02] Voice 14: make a complaint um do do not include any members from the public and i think um that our conduct

[2:19:08] Voice 14: and and staff conduct could also be of some concern to a member of the general public and

[2:19:14] Voice 14: there's no room here that allows them to to make a complaint under this uh under these standards

[2:19:21] Voice 14: standards of conduct. So I'd like to, I'd like some explanation why staff is, has been excluded.

[2:19:29] Voice 14: And if they are excluded for some reason, I'd like to know what the standards of conduct for

[2:19:35] Voice 14: staff would be and how those resolutions are dealt with. Thank

[2:19:41] Voice 26: you, Trustee Wright. I know

[2:19:42] Voice 26: that there is an answer to that and Carmen is prepared to answer that if that's okay.

[2:19:46] Voice 26: We do have

[2:19:47] Voice 19: a separate policy called the Administrative Fairness Policy, and that's where the public can make an application for us to review some process or the conduct of staff or trustees.

[2:20:00] Voice 19: So it's a separate policy than this one.

[2:20:04] Voice 26: Yeah, and if I'm not mistaken, also, as part of their employment standards, there is an expectation that exists.

[2:20:11] Voice 26: And does one of you wish to, CEO or Carmen, you wish to speak to that?

[2:20:15] Voice 26: well

[2:20:15] Voice 21: i can you know that's a fairly active policy so um members of the i speak probably

[2:20:20] Voice 21: to members of the public a couple times a month um directly around administrative fairness there

[2:20:25] Voice 21: is a process in place um initial discussion but there certainly is some formality associated with

[2:20:31] Voice 21: that um so that if you're concerned that there is no um recourse for the public in that matter

[2:20:40] Voice 21: there there is a fairly active one the second thought there and thank you for bringing it up

[2:20:45] Voice 21: is it's fairly rare to see staff and elected officials covered by the same um standards of

[2:20:53] Voice 21: conduct policy if you went to you know it so it wouldn't be a best practice there's different

[2:21:00] Voice 21: expectations um certainly there are some in common around impartiality and so forth but in most

[2:21:05] Voice 21: places you would go you'd see a staff conduct of policy and you see an elected official standard

[2:21:10] Voice 21: of policy so we're just trying to move the organization um to um a more regular um standardized

[2:21:18] Voice 21: best practice type of approach that's my best answer for you sir okay

[2:21:22] Voice 26: thank you okay trustee

[2:21:24] Voice 26: alan langerite from wolverton all

[2:21:28] Trustee Allen: right um i'm not sure whether i'm addressing yes i guess i am

[2:21:31] Trustee Allen: i have concerns with um 2.6 um like for example how do you how would you define a local um issue

[2:21:40] Trustee Allen: and is something like climate change let's look at the fairy creek blockades

[2:21:45] Trustee Allen: there's been lots of politicians that have been um protesting and um so is that would that be

[2:21:52] Trustee Allen: considered a local issue because it's climate change and affects our trust area and i just um

[2:21:56] Trustee Allen: i'm just wondering how that's oh okay how

[2:22:01] Trustee Allen: would you define a local political issue it affects us

[2:22:07] Trustee Allen: because i don't see that yeah well we're going to want to be

[2:22:10] Voice 21: aware having the staff define all

[2:22:12] Voice 21: of these things for you I mean these these are your policies to consider what I think the heart

[2:22:18] Voice 21: of this policy is if there's a rezoning on I'll give you an example on Denman Island and someone

[2:22:24] Voice 21: from an elected official so that's a local issue on Denman Island or on Hornby Island and an elected

[2:22:31] Voice 21: official from another local trust area weighed into that local decision making process by whatever

[2:22:40] Voice 21: ever means that's what 2.6 is supposed to address it's not to address global concerns or federal

[2:22:47] Voice 21: concerns like climate change or um reconciliation work or any of the things that you all have in

[2:22:54] Voice 21: common trust council it's to avoid multiple local um officials wading into each other's

[2:23:03] Voice 21: jurisdictions put simply so

[2:23:06] Trustee Allen: that means no fairy creek blockades no

[2:23:09] Voice 21: i would think this is supposed

[2:23:10] Voice 21: to be just within the island's trust this is within the island's trust region that your

[2:23:18] Voice 21: standards of conduct apply um to your geography and to our organization um and less so about um

[2:23:27] Voice 21: other issues um exterior to it thank

[2:23:31] Voice 26: you for the question trustee allen uh trustee wolverton

[2:23:38] Voice 26: Oh actually, but let's go with Wolverton because singers have asked you.

[2:23:43] Voice 30: Okay, just one technical thing. On 1.3 the word should be themselves rather than themself,

[2:23:55] Voice 30: but just anyway that's just a technical thing. One of my thoughts is I'm

[2:24:04] Voice 30: I'm very much appreciative of this work, and I really, as some of you know, I feel that we do need some guidelines, and I think it will be really helpful for trustees coming into the role or returning trustees.

[2:24:19] Voice 30: But when I look at 5.0, or sorry, when I look at 2.8, and then when it talks about believing that a transgression has occurred, and then I look at 5, all the meeting guidelines, which I agree with the guidelines, I'm not sure how you would measure a transgression in these guidelines.

[2:24:46] Voice 30: I mean, I think they're great guidelines, but I don't know how you would measure it

[2:24:50] Voice 30: to make a referral to the Standards of Conduct Review Committee.

[2:24:57] Voice 30: So just wanted to make that comment.

[2:25:01] Voice 26: Thank you, Trustee Wilberton.

[2:25:03] Voice 26: I just want to make a remark or mostly sort of an apology or maybe a question.

[2:25:10] Voice 26: I'm feeling like I haven't necessarily led you in the right direction here associated

[2:25:15] Voice 26: with we have a motion on the table and the motion is to uh is the uh alternate there which is the

[2:25:23] Voice 26: further or different amendments be uh adopted and we've we're digging into some of the depth of it

[2:25:31] Voice 26: beyond the idea the idea of the motion and so uh perhaps if we advance this motion

[2:25:38] Voice 26: then there would be further option to make specific amendments and i haven't heard any

[2:25:43] Voice 26: specific amendments at this point but um it's a it's a little bit difficult to contain the

[2:25:49] Voice 26: discussion so i'm going to go to trustee langer ice and then and i see a couple more hands up now

[2:25:55] Voice 26: rogers and kale and then i would like to call a vote on the broader concept here um uh for other

[2:26:04] Voice 26: amendments rather than specifics but uh go ahead trustee longer ice yeah

[2:26:09] Voice 46: thank you chair luckham

[2:26:11] Voice 46: for clarifying i was wondering whether we were talking about the motion or just proposing

[2:26:15] Voice 46: amendments to the draft i got a little confused there uh yeah i'm going to speak in favor of uh

[2:26:22] Voice 46: the motion that's being put forward uh i looked at the i read the companion guide to the ubcm

[2:26:28] Voice 46: model code which is this is partially premised on and it

[2:26:32] Voice 46: actually it raised a number of questions

[2:26:35] Voice 46: for me in terms of the process it does says in the companion guide that it needs to make

[2:26:40] Voice 46: sure that all counselors or all trustees are aware of the the purpose of embarking on the

[2:26:47] Voice 46: development of a code of conduct which i presume would include amendments to a conduct and that

[2:26:52] Voice 46: they have clear expectations as to what it will and will not do and that you know they need to

[2:26:57] Voice 46: know why are we making the changes and what are the key objectives like there's been references

[2:27:03] Voice 46: made to issues, but nothing really specific as yet.

[2:27:07] Voice 46: So I just wonder about the process that's occurred,

[2:27:11] Voice 46: how we got to here.

[2:27:12] Voice 46: And then I do have a number of technical questions

[2:27:15] Voice 46: on the actual draft as well.

[2:27:17] Voice 46: And I won't belabor them at this point in time,

[2:27:20] Voice 46: but there were a number of points there.

[2:27:22] Voice 46: So I'm speaking in favor of the motion.

[2:27:26] Voice 26: Thank you, Trustee Longerice,

[2:27:28] Voice 26: for also helping provide us direction

[2:27:31] Voice 26: through your words, good words.

[2:27:34] Voice 26: And I'm just going to maybe note that it seems obvious

[2:27:37] Voice 26: that there's going to be further conversation here

[2:27:39] Voice 26: and some understanding of suggestions

[2:27:41] Voice 26: for areas of improvement,

[2:27:43] Voice 26: and perhaps it's executive committee

[2:27:44] Voice 26: that might ultimately receive suggestions

[2:27:47] Voice 26: for further amendments,

[2:27:48] Voice 26: and that this may come back to you at a later date.

[2:27:51] Voice 26: And I see a nod from the Legislative Services Director.

[2:27:54] Voice 26: So Trustee Rogers, Trustee Cahill.

[2:27:56] Voice 36: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[2:27:58] Voice 36: I'm going to try and help, hopefully,

[2:28:00] Voice 36: people see it as help i agree with i've heard what that trustee morrison had to say i i just

[2:28:05] Voice 36: think that the motion as as put forward doesn't achieve what has been proposed i'm going to i'm

[2:28:11] Voice 36: going to i'm going to suggest an amendment to the motion so that it reads that trust council

[2:28:17] Voice 36: request trustees to provide further or different amendments to policy 2.1.2 prior to adoption and

[2:28:26] Voice 36: and this matter be referred to the December Trust Council.

[2:28:29] Voice 36: And I think that achieves what Trustee Morrison

[2:28:32] Voice 36: was trying to get to which was,

[2:28:35] Voice 36: okay, let's go, you think you've got some changes,

[2:28:39] Voice 36: let's get them to the executive committee

[2:28:42] Voice 36: and we'll try and bring them back

[2:28:44] Voice 36: and be able to have a more fulsome discussion

[2:28:46] Voice 36: on the specifics as opposed to in the short timeframe.

[2:28:49] Voice 36: So that would be.

[2:28:51] Voice 36: Trustee

[2:28:51] Voice 26: Rod, do you want us not to say

[2:28:54] Voice 26: to provide uh to executive committee further amendments provide

[2:28:59] Voice 36: request trustees to provide

[2:29:02] Voice 36: to executive committee further or different amendments to policy 2.1.2 prior to adoption

[2:29:13] Voice 36: and this matter be deferred until the december trust council okay

[2:29:22] Voice 26: thank you so

[2:29:23] Voice 36: i i know there's

[2:29:24] Voice 36: a motion to amend that should get us to that point but that would be my proposal that that and maybe

[2:29:30] Voice 36: i don't know if that's considered to be a friendly amendment but well i

[2:29:35] Voice 26: tend to believe there's no

[2:29:37] Voice 26: such thing as a friendly amendment right and

[2:29:39] Voice 26: so therefore i think this does not change the intent

[2:29:43] Voice 26: of the motion but um and i'm look to uh carmen if she from a legislative perspective that i think

[2:29:50] Voice 26: I think we're still looking for different amendments,

[2:29:52] Voice 26: which is the original motion.

[2:29:56] Voice 26: And so therefore I'm going to turn to.

[2:30:00] Voice 26: Trustee Morrison, well, now the motion belongs to council.

[2:30:04] Voice 26: So I'm actually just simply going to look for a seconder

[2:30:06] Voice 26: for this amendment.

[2:30:08] Voice 15: I'll second it, Paul Brent.

[2:30:09] Voice 15: Trustee

[2:30:09] Voice 26: Brent is seconding the motion of amendment.

[2:30:13] Voice 26: And so now what you see before you on the screen

[2:30:17] Voice 26: is the amended motion.

[2:30:19] Voice 26: And I'm going to ask you now to,

[2:30:23] Voice 26: unless Trustee Rogers wishes to speak further.

[2:30:26] Voice 26: No, and if there's no other speakers,

[2:30:30] Voice 26: no then i'm going to call for the vote on the amendment of the motion all those in favor please

[2:30:36] Voice 26: raise your hands so i'm seeing 22 in favor so if you please lower your hands i know that the

[2:30:55] Voice 26: electronic world this is a bit laborious you can look forward to being different in the future

[2:31:00] Voice 26: so lowering your hands i see three hands up still thank you and those opposed i'm seeing none

[2:31:12] Voice 26: opposed so that carries unanimously um thank you very much trustee rogers for helping us with that

[2:31:17] Voice 26: so now i'm going to return to the amended motion if there's any other speakers otherwise i'm going

[2:31:23] Voice 26: to go to the vote no uh hands so i'm going to call for the vote on the amended motion all those

[2:31:32] Voice 26: in favor please did i hear a voice in there maybe that was an eye thank you

[2:31:46] Voice 26: again that's 22 in favor and so please lower your hands thank you any opposed none opposed

[2:31:58] Voice 26: that carries unanimously i want to thank you council and thank you trustee rogers for and

[2:32:03] Voice 26: langer rice and everybody trustee morrison for getting us through that and so indeed please

[2:32:08] Voice 26: communicate with the executive committee to help us formulate that and bring that back to you as

[2:32:13] Voice 26: as indicated in your motion.

[2:32:15] Voice 26: We are at 3.32.

[2:32:18] Voice 26: We are scheduled for a break

[2:32:20] Voice 26: and we are going to come back from our break

[2:32:22] Voice 26: and go to the background for trust council session

[2:32:24] Voice 26: on tree cutting authority,

[2:32:26] Voice 26: which there's certainly a lot of interest in.

[2:32:28] Voice 26: And so I want to try and keep that on schedule

[2:32:30] Voice 26: for members of the public that may be viewing.

[2:32:32] Voice 26: So we will pick up items 4.2.4, 4.2.5 tomorrow

[2:32:39] Voice 26: when we resume our agenda tomorrow.

[2:32:42] Voice 26: tomorrow so council let's recess for um 12 minutes if you don't mind and return at 3 45

[2:32:52] Voice 26: um does laurie do you want to make some remarks now about going to the breakout rooms or when

[2:32:56] Voice 26: we return at 3 45 so when we return at 3 45 you're going to get instructions that are essentially

[2:33:02] Voice 26: going to go over what you've received by email about how we're going to do this next session

[2:33:07] Voice 26: which is a whole new level of zoom meetings for us so please enjoy your break and come back at 3

[2:33:13] Voice 26: 45 thank

[2:33:15] Voice 28: you and we're unmuted we get to so

[2:44:53] Voice 26: welcome back everybody um we're now going to

[2:44:59] Voice 26: move into this uh trust council session for on tree cutting authority briefing and um i'm just

[2:45:06] Voice 26: to turn it over directly to the cao to introduce the topic and what we're going to do so thanks

[2:45:13] Voice 21: very much chair luckham um thank you trustees we're at page 106 and just prior to that just

[2:45:20] Voice 21: in front of that is a briefing and um i'm assuming that as usual you've gone through that briefing

[2:45:26] Voice 21: um i won't go through it exhaustively right now i'll just briefly provide you the context by which

[2:45:32] Voice 21: we're going to have this conversation um you know um over nine months ago trust council um provided

[2:45:39] Voice 21: direction to uh executive committee and the chair of the honest trust to approach the ministry to

[2:45:44] Voice 21: and inquire as to the ability for the honest trust to get a tree cutting authority similar

[2:45:50] Voice 21: to a municipality there have been a couple of meetings with the ministry and this is couched

[2:45:55] Voice 21: by the way um in four or five other forestry related activities that are part of our strategic

[2:46:03] Voice 21: plan but this is probably the most significant of the of the activities on the forestry front

[2:46:10] Voice 21: and um as we discuss with the ministry and as we contemplate moving this forward

[2:46:15] Voice 21: we really need to get um a more detailed discussion and expression of your interest

[2:46:23] Voice 21: around this how this would manifest manifest itself potentially um at the island's trust

[2:46:29] Voice 21: and throughout various communities so uh it was thought that this would be a good forum to begin

[2:46:34] Voice 21: to have some of those detailed conversations so we're going to try something we haven't tried

[2:46:38] Voice 21: before we're going to in a few minutes move to a breakout rooms where you've been prompted with

[2:46:44] Voice 21: seven or eight questions um to get the conversation going uh there's in each of those breakout rooms

[2:46:52] Voice 21: there's going to be a manager as well a staff person as well as another staff person who is

[2:46:57] Voice 21: scribing we will also record all four sessions and of course the public can attend any of those

[2:47:04] Voice 21: sessions as they see fit or move between them you'll have that good conversation um because

[2:47:10] Voice 21: for the most part we've been speaking in somewhat generalities around this and it and it comes time

[2:47:17] Voice 21: where we have to get slightly more specific and that's what we're really going to do I'm going

[2:47:23] Voice 1: to

[2:47:23] Voice 21: take all of this information I'm going to collate it I'll provide it in some reporting

[2:47:27] Voice 21: to executive committee and ultimately it will be it will be part form part of the problem

[2:47:33] Voice 21: definition of communication with the ministry we are asking others to provide us something

[2:47:40] Voice 21: thing and there needs to be some level of convincing associated with that and based on

[2:47:48] Voice 21: interest some principles and those kinds of things so that's that's the effort we're

[2:47:52] Voice 21: we're going to undertake before we go there um i'm going to entertain you for 10 minutes

[2:48:00] Voice 21: and i'm going to walk you through well let me ask a question perhaps by a show of hands how many

[2:48:06] Voice 21: trustees have had the opportunity to look at an actual tree cutting bylaw in the past

[2:48:15] Voice 21: we've got a couple is it fair to say though that um many trustees haven't really had an

[2:48:20] Voice 21: opportunity to look at what a tree cutting authority or a bylaw would look like okay

[2:48:26] Voice 1: so

[2:48:27] Voice 21: i think we're gonna i'm gonna spend 10 minutes and i'm going to walk you through

[2:48:31] Voice 21: i'll call it a generic version of what municipalities use to control tree cutting in

[2:48:37] Voice 21: their regions and the reason i'm doing this is if we ask for this authority some of you and we got

[2:48:44] Voice 21: it some of you may choose to exercise that authority and it would be by a bylaw and it

[2:48:51] Voice 21: would look somewhat like what i'm about to show you right now and this is just a means of you um

[2:48:57] Voice 21: taking a look at this getting comfortable with some of the concepts and moving forward i'll just

[2:49:04] Voice 21: say before i start this is not a

[2:49:06] Voice 21: proposed bylaw for the islands trust it is simply an example

[2:49:12] Voice 21: none of

[2:49:12] Voice 21: the elements may or may not be specific in some future time associated with the islands

[2:49:17] Voice 21: trust this is just an activity of going here's how it's done in other places so um is that okay

[2:49:25] Voice 21: with everybody if i just do that for a few minutes and walk you through i'm seeing general nodding

[2:49:32] Voice 21: that's somewhat reluctant nodding okay so sorry

[2:49:35] Voice 18: sorry i did have my hand up

[2:49:37] Voice 21: okay um

[2:49:39] Voice 18: i just wanted

[2:49:40] Voice 18: to clarify too that um the word tree cutting bylaw often what we're concerned about is not

[2:49:45] Voice 18: individual trees but forestry protection indeed

[2:49:49] Voice 21: and this is going to be example of you know a

[2:49:52] Voice 21: tree cutting bylaw and how the islands trust part of this conversation that's going to happen today

[2:49:57] Voice 21: is how the islands trust manifest this for themselves and make it trust like trust effective

[2:50:05] Voice 21: trust proof all of those things so this is the template by which um or a potential template

[2:50:12] Voice 21: so if laurie could i chose the uh uh um michozen um michozen has a bio they've had up for a number

[2:50:20] Voice 21: of years um they're a rural um probably rural community for the most part um i would say just

[2:50:27] Voice 21: at the outset it have it makes um and this is these are my words so no one would have chosen

[2:50:33] Voice 21: if they're listening um attributed to anyone else um many people like it some people do not

[2:50:39] Voice 21: it has been reasonably effective um there always are challenges associated with um a project like

[2:50:45] Voice 21: this but this is fairly long-standing so if we just go through um laurie can you go to location

[2:50:52] Voice 21: of authority so here's an example of a bylaw and um a little bit blurry so this the first part of

[2:51:00] Voice 21: note is tree protection areas so in the bylaw they they introduced the concept of where this would

[2:51:06] Voice 21: apply within our lands and the question would be would it apply everywhere would it apply

[2:51:11] Voice 21: specifically in some places would there be special considerations given to specific places the next

[2:51:19] Voice 21: one is in the definition section and definitions are really an engine of this type of authority.

[2:51:25] Voice 21: Inside the definitions you'll find definitions of all of the experts that would need to be

[2:51:31] Voice 21: in place in some form to assist. Those being a certified arborist, the definition of what a

[2:51:39] Voice 21: forester is, the definition of a qualified environmental professional. Also inside the

[2:51:45] Voice 21: definition section is definitions of a dangerous tree could you come down a little bit more more

[2:51:51] Voice 21: next page and more and protected trees and significant trees so they've identified

[2:52:04] Voice 21: specific species so they've taken the approach in this case of specific trees that warrant

[2:52:11] Voice 21: protection protected trees are a subset of significant trees at the end of this bylaw

[2:52:17] Voice 21: is a listing of actual specific trees on specific properties that have cultural or historical or

[2:52:25] Voice 21: environmental value that have a special status. And as you contemplate that, and we just in

[2:52:32] Voice 21: previous conversations, we've discussed the notion of our reconciliation work and culturally

[2:52:38] Voice 21: modified trees and how they exist on private lands. Maybe there's a space there as you think

[2:52:43] Voice 21: this through for that kind of thing to existence one of those kinds of definitions as we move

[2:52:48] forward a little bit more so there's protected trees i'm going quickly but this isn't to be

[2:52:54] specific it's to give you a general

[2:52:55] Voice 21: flavor go to the next one item four need a permit

[2:53:01] Voice 21: okay so section eight in this particular bylaw is where we start to get into the actual circumstances

[2:53:08] Voice 21: number one no

[2:53:10] Voice 21: person shall cut down any tree except in accordance with the permit

[2:53:13] Voice 21: So in Michozen if you cut down a tree you need a permit. Item two are the exceptions. So this

[2:53:23] Voice 21: is where any jurisdiction would qualify the general description at the top. So in this case

[2:53:32] Voice 21: on a particular, and you can value this one way or not, but it works for them, on a particular

[2:53:39] Voice 21: particular one acre lot, you can cut down 50 trees having a diameter of seven inches or less,

[2:53:47] Voice 21: or 10 trees having a diameter of more than seven inches. I don't know the research behind that,

[2:53:53] Voice 21: but there's, that's what they've selected. Now, if you looked at a 10 acre lot, you would

[2:53:57] Voice 21: times 10 those numbers, right? And that could be scaled up and scaled down. But generally,

[2:54:05] Voice 21: this is one of the mechanisms that's used in tree protection bylaws that is the mechanism to

[2:54:12] Voice 21: realize protections. Let's move down to five. Okay, so we see that the confluence of this

[2:54:24] Voice 21: authority with development permitting, and if you have a development permit, it can require

[2:54:30] Voice 21: require that you get a tree cutting permit. And it also could require that a citizen or

[2:54:39] Voice 21: an applicant provide enhanced information or forestry expertise associated with some

[2:54:47] Voice 21: of their work. Keep in mind, and we're not spending a lot of time on this right now,

[2:54:52] Voice 21: that all land uses remain in effect on a given lot. So people are allowed to have their residential

[2:54:59] Voice 21: use. They're allowed to have their commercial use. They're allowed to have their agricultural

[2:55:03] Voice 21: use. They're allowed to have mixed uses if that's what they're allowed. So this does

[2:55:08] Voice 21: not denude or lessen those rights. However, it prescribes a means by which you can exercise

[2:55:17] Voice 21: those rights. The remainders of those trees need permitting beyond that. So this is an

[2:55:23] Voice 21: example of shoreline slopes, DP. That's all I wanted to indicate to you. Let's go to number

[2:55:28] Voice 21: number seven so significant trees so no person shall cut down a significant tree and the question

[2:55:37] Voice 21: is how would this potentially apply in a local trust area um you need you you need there are

[2:55:44] Voice 21: exceptions a dangerous tree something within a building envelope of a principal building for

[2:55:48] Voice 21: instance but otherwise there's this broader definition of a significant tree protected

[2:55:53] Voice 21: protected trees live within that category and things proceed accordingly for the most part as

[2:56:03] Voice 21: I understand it the community is supportive of the existence of this bylaw within they have over the

[2:56:13] Voice 21: course of the 15 or 20 years it's been in existence it has been adopted into the culture of the

[2:56:20] chosen

[2:56:20] Voice 21: um certainly it's not perfect um i know that there's some challenges associated with

[2:56:25] Voice 21: issues of topping trees um there is a bylaw enforcement element associated with this

[2:56:30] Voice 21: question um as we move forward i expect that when the chainsaw fires up people notice

[2:56:37] Voice 21: um but for the most part it has worked um they do ask for arborist reports for dead or dying trees

[2:56:45] Voice 21: to confirm that circumstance and if we go down a little bit more we'll go to RAR as a guide

[2:56:53] Voice 21: here we have the repairing areas regulation so that's another trigger for the permitting tree

[2:57:00] Voice 21: process and finally I'm going to jump down to item 10 the administration of how this is done

[2:57:08] Voice 21: in this particular case it's fairly administrative light meaning they've externalized the

[2:57:15] Voice 21: professionalism associated with this and those become obligations if required if needed by

[2:57:22] Voice 21: the applicant so there isn't a large on staff component associated with it um you'll see that

[2:57:29] Voice 21: with every permit you have to provide a sketch there's some fees associated with that and it

[2:57:35] goes forward to the clerk for consideration if it's complicated there might be a request

[2:57:39] for either engineering and arborists or a forester to weigh in um a little

[2:57:46] Voice 21: bit farther down it

[2:57:51] Voice 21: provides some conditions of the permit how long it lasts and all those kinds of things um there

[2:57:56] Voice 21: it speaks to the report of a certified arborist or professional forester and this bylaw allows

[2:58:02] Voice 21: for replacement trees as well so in some circumstances there could be a requirement for

[2:58:06] Voice 21: replacement trees so you see this is very specific to tree forestry those kinds of matters much like

[2:58:14] Voice 21: a development permit this isn't a political process it's an administrative process so the

[2:58:21] Voice 21: political process is in the formulation of this and the passing of it it then becomes the clerk

[2:58:27] Voice 21: or it'd be some version of somebody here at the islands trust and they provide an opportunity if

[2:58:35] Voice 21: If someone was feeling they were being dealt with unfairly,

[2:58:39] Voice 21: you will go to council for some consideration.

[2:58:41] Voice 21: So there is that backstop.

[2:58:44] Voice 21: So thank you, trustees.

[2:58:45] Voice 21: I just wanted to sort of tweak a little bit of the,

[2:58:51] Voice 21: you know, when it gets down to the black and white,

[2:58:53] Voice 21: that's going to read real detail there.

[2:58:56] Voice 21: And I'll just say again,

[2:58:57] Voice 21: this is not a proposed bylaw for the Islands Trust.

[2:59:00] Voice 21: This is simply a descriptor example

[2:59:04] Voice 21: example of how jurisdictions utilize this authority across BC and how we've asked for

[2:59:12] Voice 21: I'm right on time are there any quick questions um associated with just that very brief review

[2:59:19] Voice 21: I'm open to any further questions that you may have with me one-on-one um as we um as we advance

[2:59:26] Voice 21: as this work otherwise i think we're going to start um the discussion on page 106 you'll see

[2:59:34] Voice 21: those key questions i'll just tell you that the outcome of this session um as you know it's going

[2:59:41] Voice 21: to be recorded and it's going to be handwritten notes taken i will collate those and i will

[2:59:46] Voice 21: present them to executive committee um on a thematic basis you can always go back and review

[2:59:51] Voice 21: them if you want to be assured of what you said was captured um that then will

[2:59:56] Voice 21: become the basis for the conversations that chair luckham will be

[3:00:00] Voice 21: having with um the minister or i will be having with any senior ministerial staff as this works

[3:00:07] Voice 21: work progresses and then finally i'd say this is just one element of us working around forestry

[3:00:13] Voice 21: um forestry has a deep and foundational relationship within the island stress area

[3:00:19] Voice 21: there's other there's other um activities that we're undertaking i know that there's a private

[3:00:24] Voice 21: members bill that's um out there as well so there this this is um um an issue an item that is um

[3:00:36] Voice 21: being worked it's being worked right now so uh with that i'm going to just turn to lauren go

[3:00:45] Voice 21: here we go we're all going to go into our individual sessions and we'd like to come

[3:00:49] Voice 21: back at 10 to 5 and if one of you one of the trustees in each of the groups could just agree

[3:00:55] Voice 21: read just do a one minute synopsis of how the conversation went or maybe a couple key themes

[3:01:00] Voice 21: not necessarily written down but just to touch base with your colleagues um and then we'll

[3:01:04] Voice 21: conclude the session of five does that work yeah

[3:01:08] Voice 26: i would recommend that when we get into our breakout

[3:01:10] Voice 26: rooms that the person that is going to report back to the group be identified in that group

[3:01:16] Voice 26: so that they can be conscious of you know witnessing is kind of the way that i would

[3:01:21] Voice 26: think of it as but over laurie

[3:01:23] Voice 27: the architect of this breakout session over to you uh if i may say

[3:01:28] Voice 27: there are three hands raised right now i'm not sure oh

[3:01:30] Voice 26: i'm sorry i don't see them on the screen

[3:01:33] Voice 26: okay i see uh trustee chrisley yes

[3:01:38] Voice 23: thank you um this question uh regards the intersection of this

[3:01:43] Voice 23: with uh legislation for private managed forest lands are they exempted are they in it

[3:01:52] Voice 23: or what's the situation they're

[3:01:55] Voice 21: exempted we have done um quite a bit of work on the pmfl over the

[3:01:59] Voice 21: last six months understanding it better uh understanding the volumes of wood that are

[3:02:03] Voice 21: coming off of let's say islands trust lands that are in the pmfl um and also having some

[3:02:09] Voice 21: discussions with ministry officials around the health of that program and and where it is um

[3:02:14] Voice 21: towards the last provincial government there was a fairly strong look at a review of the pmfl i'm

[3:02:24] Voice 21: not sure where that is right now i can tell you that across the trust area right now there's

[3:02:29] Voice 21: approximately 200 cubic meters of pmfl wood that's taken off of the region which i think translates

[3:02:35] Voice 21: into something like 55 cords that might not be a significant amount of wood there's always that

[3:02:43] Voice 21: potential and um in our considerations also there's the notion that the pmfl is in place

[3:02:49] Voice 21: to provide some protections um associated with um forest lands um and but i'm not commenting

[3:02:55] Voice 21: on its efficacy in doing so but anyway this is around private lands not payment uh trustee

[3:03:07] Voice 21: Thank

[3:03:08] Voice 42: you. Yes. Can you clarify what like the situation for development permit areas

[3:03:17] Voice 42: as a way to like I've had, I've heard contrary things about how far we can go with the development

[3:03:22] Voice 42: permit to protect trees. And because it would seem if that really is a tool we can use with

[3:03:32] Voice 42: some finesse to look at things like canopy cover and significant trees maybe that's our best tool

[3:03:40] Voice 42: but i i've been told we can't use it in in such a nuanced way

[3:03:45] Voice 21: um there is nothing that i'm aware of

[3:03:48] Voice 21: where a local jurisdiction can stop full full stop the cutting of trees you have an ability to affect

[3:03:57] Voice 21: effect a variety of different outcomes on a piece on a parcel one of them is a development permit

[3:04:04] Voice 21: the development permit has a series of justifications inside of it which are

[3:04:08] Voice 21: environmental in nature so this provides an expansion of that ability you can even for

[3:04:15] Voice 21: aesthetic reasons that's how many municipalities use this particular authority so in an ideal

[3:04:23] Voice 21: a world it would be potentially both of these would provide the most protection um available

[3:04:29] Voice 21: you could use a development permit as a trigger for getting a treaty cutting permit for instance

[3:04:35] Voice 21: don't take everything i'm saying is definitive right now those are questions that we go deeper

[3:04:39] Voice 21: into as we advance this um but in and of itself the development permit is not a

[3:04:46] Voice 21: completely comprehensive tool to address what it seems like we're hearing

[3:04:51] come to you and come to

[3:04:54] Voice 21: the trust council table so this could potentially enhance that ability

[3:04:57] Voice 21: thank

[3:04:58] Voice 10: you johnson

[3:05:01] Voice 28: and trustee johnson sir um

[3:05:06] Voice 41: i have this similar question about agricultural

[3:05:08] Voice 41: lands either lands within the agricultural land or outside but suitable for agriculture

[3:05:16] Voice 21: agricultural land yeah as

[3:05:18] Voice 41: i understand that

[3:05:19] Voice 21: agricultural lands would be exempt from our

[3:05:21] Voice 21: ability to provide municipal tree cutting powers associated with them, so they would be exempted.

[3:05:27] Voice 41: Is that just lands that are in the ALR? Yes.

[3:05:32] Voice 15: Thank you. Trustee Brent.

[3:05:37] Voice 15: Yes, that was part of my question. The other part is I assume that First Nations land would not

[3:05:43] Voice 15: be affected by this by-law. Is that correct, as in reserve lands?

[3:05:48] Voice 21: Reserve lands, no,

[3:05:50] Voice 21: and it would not apply to Crown lands, which is the same definition. I

[3:05:54] Voice 21: crown lands so this wouldn't apply to crown lands to my understanding nor would it apply to any

[3:05:58] Voice 21: specific reserve lands that's it sorry for my quick and abrupt answers but i'm conscious that

[3:06:08] Voice 21: your talking is more important than my talking um to you hopefully that's been helpful um if

[3:06:14] Voice 21: there's more here we can always do this again if we're just scratching the surface of this

[3:06:19] Voice 21: conversation but uh with that i'd like to see us go to um our meetings sure

[3:06:25] Voice 27: so what are you lori

[3:06:26] Voice 21: thank you

[3:06:27] Voice 21: five four three two one thank

[3:06:29] Voice 27: you trust council you have received your breakout room

[3:06:32] Voice 27: invitations earlier this afternoon please go to those rooms now if you're in breakout room one

[3:06:38] Voice 27: this is this is the link stay here trustees allen brent bouchakin colburn critchley dodds and fast

[3:06:46] Voice 27: everybody else all the

[3:06:47] Voice 21: best trustees everyone

[3:06:48] Voice 27: else can leave and go to your breakout rooms now

[3:06:51] Voice 27: with your invitations and then you'll come back to the september 21st meeting link that you're in

[3:06:56] Voice 27: right now and

[3:06:59] Voice 21: we'll see you back here at the original link at 10 to 5 so

[3:07:05] Voice 6: we have to log out

[3:07:06] Voice 6: of this link now i guess that's

[3:07:08] Voice 26: correct correct if you're not staying in this room and that was

[3:07:13] Voice 26: the list that uh laurie just gave you yeah trustee grove is in breakout

[3:07:18] Voice 27: room two perfect

[3:07:20] Voice 27: okay where's my group trustee wright is in breakout room four we'll see you in a minute

[3:07:27] Voice 21: sherlock um godspeed as they say sadly you're stuck

[3:07:39] Voice 21: with me for this session

[3:07:43] Voice 21: can everyone see in here yes excellent

[3:07:47] Voice 21: wonderful so uh these questions are certainly to prompt you

[3:07:52] Voice 21: to have the discussions amongst yourselves,

[3:07:54] Voice 21: provide your reflections

[3:07:56] Voice 21: on the decision of Trust Council over a year ago

[3:07:59] Voice 21: or close to a year ago to investigate this possibility.

[3:08:03] Voice 21: And the first one, and I'm simply to facilitate,

[3:08:07] Voice 21: I won't be participating in the actual conversation.

[3:08:11] Voice 21: What would you consider are the activities

[3:08:13] Voice 21: that are causing concern with regard to habitat,

[3:08:16] Voice 21: biodiversity loss in your local trust area?

[3:08:19] Voice 21: And the reason that question's asked

[3:08:21] Voice 21: is instead of just simply focusing only on forestry it's land disturbance and

[3:08:25] Voice 21: other things that may be occurring in your trust area I'll

[3:08:32] Trustee Fast: just say at the

[3:08:33] Trustee Fast: outset because I'm in a municipality my question my answers might be a little

[3:08:37] Trustee Fast: funny so I'll chip into the conversation but I won't we already have tree cutting

[3:08:43] Trustee Fast: powers on Bowen right

[3:08:46] Voice 38: okay I'm not sure

[3:08:53] Voice 31: I ended up in the right room I only got

[3:08:56] Voice 31: an invitation to one but that's not my assignment

[3:08:59] Voice 27: you're in breakout room three trustee patrick

[3:09:03] Voice 27: you're okay

[3:09:04] Voice 31: you sent me an invitation for one no

[3:09:08] Voice 27: i sent you a three as well probably

[3:09:10] Voice 21: two or three so

[3:09:11] Voice 21: all

[3:09:11] Voice 31: right i'll try to find it if you end up

[3:09:14] Voice 21: back here that's fine yes sir uh trustee ellen yeah

[3:09:21] Trustee Allen: i'll speak for uh hornby island and what's going on is uh many new residents are coming with the

[3:09:29] Trustee Allen: belief that all trees are dangerous and so they're cutting them all down in these tiny lots

[3:09:34] Trustee Allen: i hear chainsaws constantly in my neighborhood sometimes i feel like i'm living next to a woodlot

[3:09:39] Trustee Allen: licensed area um and then we have other people that couldn't afford to buy waterfront so

[3:09:47] Trustee Allen: they just cut a tree so they can get that water view and um and it's been more brazen i feel in

[3:09:53] Trustee Allen: the last five years on hornby um and lots of people having big concerns with that it's uh

[3:10:02] Trustee Allen: it's there's just no um and i you know i'm talking to david about all this and by the way i could

[3:10:09] Trustee Allen: talk to you about what he did he did say to me about development permanent areas a while ago if

[3:10:14] Trustee Allen: you need that more information yeah so um i in in terms of just educating but i just feel like

[3:10:22] Trustee Allen: people just are just asking you know for like most of the things forgiveness instead of permission

[3:10:28] Trustee Allen: and so people are just you know like what's going on all over the place right they've been in

[3:10:32] Trustee Allen: court cases all over the place with people trimming trees and cutting trees down it's

[3:10:37] Trustee Allen: so that's what's going on thank you thank

[3:10:39] Voice 28: you alex do

[3:10:41] Trustee Fast: you do what rules do you have you say

[3:10:44] Trustee Fast: people are asking for forgiveness not permission do they is there a way to get permission to cut

[3:10:50] Trustee Fast: down uh to stop people cutting down all trees well

[3:10:55] Trustee Allen: i'll just tell you now i don't trust arborists i

[3:10:58] Trustee Allen: think they have a conflict of interest frankly and um i don't understand it's not like a quip

[3:11:04] Trustee Allen: for raw or anything like that i don't understand why a person can hire an arborist and then have

[3:11:08] Trustee Allen: them make a decision whether a tree is dangerous it's not arborists they're coming like we have

[3:11:14] Trustee Allen: three or four companies coming almost daily frankly and um i've always i've had an incident

[3:11:19] Trustee Allen: with a two arborists gave me a quote on these trees at the gas outside the gas bar once it

[3:11:24] Trustee Allen: was dangerous had to be cut down the other one said no it just needs a little bit of trim it's

[3:11:28] Trustee Allen: healthy so i think arborists um i don't understand why they there's a total conflict interest there

[3:11:35] Trustee Allen: and i don't understand why they have so much power okay okay

[3:11:37] Trustee Fast: thank you i volunteered to take the notes

[3:11:40] Trustee Fast: and i just wrote down we have a staff

[3:11:42] Voice 21: person oh thank you very much you'll you'll be our person

[3:11:45] Voice 21: who reports back and

[3:11:47] Voice 31: laura's back here i have two invites to group one um laurie and not group three

[3:11:51] Voice 31: well you're welcome

[3:11:52] Voice 31: and group three is sending me nasty emails saying where am i but um i don't have

[3:11:59] Voice 31: that link thank

[3:12:01] Voice 21: you trustee fast for stepping up and doing a summary um at the end um and forgive

[3:12:06] Voice 21: me for just facilitating we have several questions and we want to move through uh trustee critchley

[3:12:10] Voice 21: and any thoughts on this first question how it's manifesting on that on demo sure

[3:12:15] Voice 23: um well it seems

[3:12:18] Voice 23: to come up when uh there's it usually is associated with a new owner and uh and it's usually

[3:12:27] Voice 23: somebody who wants to clear and get sunshine into their lot it would seem and people are

[3:12:35] Voice 23: particularly concerned when it is a large tree you know a specimen tree so I think that protecting

[3:12:42] Voice 23: you know having those what are named what were they called here significant trees

[3:12:49] Voice 23: yeah so you know that seems to me like the first one that we would need some level of protection

[3:12:57] Voice 23: for them and how you go about identifying and defining them that's one thing but then I was

[3:13:04] Voice 23: quite interested to see in the Matrosen bylaw that you presented this concept of a certain

[3:13:10] Voice 23: number of trees above a certain size per land unit and but but as I caught the wording on that

[3:13:21] Voice 23: I believe that was every 12 months is that correct? That

[3:13:25] Voice 21: is correct yeah and

[3:13:27] Voice 21: I think I think

[3:13:28] Voice 21: in retrospect they would have probably tightened that up a little bit but that's where they're at.

[3:13:36] Voice 23: Yeah. So I guess my own feeling on the thing, just to jump in with both of you here, is that, you know, I have the concern about a couple of concerns. Number one, people having the right to protect their homes and the current advice to have green spaces around dwellings, rather than, you know, having the forest right up to them.

[3:14:03] Voice 23: So there's that. And then there's the matter of people getting sunlight in for what may not be agricultural lands in a commercial farming operation, but many people do agriculture of a degree, which makes them self-sufficient almost in food.

[3:14:23] Voice 23: So, you know, quite large gardens, but not for sale to other people necessarily.

[3:14:29] Voice 23: So, you know, depending on the location and the size of trees around, you may need to clear quite a bit.

[3:14:37] Voice 23: The background to my screen here is a property down the road from me that was cut.

[3:14:45] Voice 23: And of course, you know, it now looks, it's now growing back.

[3:14:49] Voice 23: but um you know it's not a particularly ugly thing it's a different environment i'm not thinking that

[3:14:58] Voice 23: we need to have the entire island be densely forested we have by cutting trees you end up

[3:15:06] Voice 23: with different ecosystems and uh you know you attract different birds and butterflies and

[3:15:12] Voice 23: insects and on and on so it's not like people are necessarily devastating the environment by

[3:15:17] Voice 23: cutting trees those are just some of my conflicting thoughts at the moment off the top thank you very

[3:15:22] Voice 21: much excellent um trustee was shaken um

[3:15:26] Voice 42: yes i will add um or i will agree that that what i hear a lot

[3:15:31] Voice 42: about and have been for a number of years is generally with a new owner or someone building

[3:15:35] Voice 42: something new on their property but often the new owner who just raises the property and these can

[3:15:40] Voice 42: be quite large properties of of you know two to ten acres and they just somehow take the whole

[3:15:46] Voice 42: thing out. And, and I think, you know, I think that is challenging. And I would like to think

[3:15:55] Voice 42: that there is a way to go about offering some protection while allowing people to, you know,

[3:16:02] Voice 42: live well on their properties. And I think that, like to maybe jump ahead a bit, for me, what

[3:16:08] Voice 42: needs to be protected, this is not about aesthetics at all, for me, it's about environmental protection

[3:16:16] Voice 42: and i think um and well and the culturally significant trees uh historically significant

[3:16:22] Voice 42: trees uh for sure but wildlife like if we're going to be specific trees those would be some wildlife

[3:16:27] Voice 42: trees obviously um but i think what is important and i'm going to quote from the islands trust very

[3:16:33] Voice 42: own report protecting this coastal douglas fir zone and associated ecosystems where they say

[3:16:40] Voice 42: maintaining contiguous forest cover is quote the most obvious way to retain the ecological

[3:16:46] Voice 42: integrity of the cdf zone and related ecosystems and you know from the reading i've done and i

[3:16:53] Voice 42: read that report and a few others to prepare for this um the for it's it's the environmental

[3:16:59] Voice 42: services for us provide more than anything that we're protecting habitat habitat endangered species

[3:17:06] Voice 42: species, protection of groundwater, they keep soil in, and I think that has to be looked at

[3:17:13] Voice 42: contiguous cover and trying to maintain that. So, and I know that some bylaws look at

[3:17:23] Voice 42: individual trees, but they also look at tree density, like machosum, or there's something

[3:17:27] Voice 42: else called canopy cover targets that I don't even fully understand what it is, but it is also

[3:17:32] Voice 42: another way of having a more holistic look and i you know i'd like to see all of it based more on

[3:17:39] Voice 42: um you know forest forest

[3:17:42] Voice 21: landscape kind of focus yeah yeah

[3:17:47] Voice 21: okay

[3:17:48] Voice 42: uh that's right so that's um

[3:17:51] Voice 42: some initial thoughts yeah

[3:17:52] Voice 21: and some of your answers go to some of the other questions

[3:17:55] Voice 21: that are coming up and

[3:17:56] Voice 42: i just will also just say with them you know the services that

[3:18:01] Voice 42: that forests provide in terms of climate change prevention

[3:18:05] Voice 42: and adaptation resilience are huge.

[3:18:07] Voice 42: And so I do think that if we draw communities early

[3:18:11] Voice 42: with education that we can get community buy-in

[3:18:16] Voice 42: into some kind of a more thorough forest

[3:18:20] Voice 42: and tree protection.

[3:18:23] Voice 21: Excellent, thank you.

[3:18:24] Voice 15: Trustee Brandon.

[3:18:29] Voice 15: Oh, it's just not a problem on Saturn Island.

[3:18:31] Voice 15: I mean, we're very fortunate.

[3:18:32] Voice 15: it i think everyone knows we're close to 50 percent park um the residents of this island

[3:18:41] Voice 15: are very very concerned uh about the environment and i'd say they're generally speaking um

[3:18:47] Voice 15: environmentally very conscious i'm working with groups now we're attempting to purchase and

[3:18:54] Voice 15: and protect more land on Saturna.

[3:18:58] Voice 15: And so if this is a solution looking for a problem

[3:19:03] Voice 15: on this side, it's just not there.

[3:19:06] Voice 15: I mean, we have clear cuts,

[3:19:08] Voice 15: clear cut over 100 acres on the Sacom Reserve

[3:19:12] Voice 15: about four or five years ago.

[3:19:14] Voice 15: But again, we can't do anything about it.

[3:19:17] Voice 15: And there have been clear cuts.

[3:19:19] Voice 15: I think the last one was in 2012,

[3:19:21] Voice 15: 12 clearing for more agricultural land

[3:19:25] Voice 15: for a very active farm.

[3:19:28] Voice 15: So it's just, it's a non-issue on this Island

[3:19:32] Voice 15: is as far as I think the majority of other residents

[3:19:37] Voice 15: of this Island are concerned.

[3:19:38] Voice 15: Thank

[3:19:39] Voice 21: you very much.

[3:19:40] Voice 10: I envy you.

[3:19:42] Voice 28: Trustee Patrick.

[3:19:48] Voice 31: Yeah, a couple of things.

[3:19:49] Voice 31: I think probably one of the local trust committees

[3:19:52] Voice 31: that have been working in this space,

[3:19:54] Voice 31: at least the Coastal Douglas for now for almost two years here. And we've learned that some of

[3:20:02] Voice 31: the mapping and the work that we've been doing with the science work is pretty cool. And you

[3:20:06] Voice 31: should take a look at the overlapping of the mapping and the communication programs that

[3:20:11] Voice 31: we're doing. I think the key areas of concern here are watershed health. And the real growing

[3:20:24] Voice 31: one is the forest ecology from i mean fire ecology and the forest management practices of

[3:20:32] Voice 31: what needs to be done you know because there is thinning there is activity so there's a difference

[3:20:38] Voice 31: between like the 30 meter surrounding people's houses and the management of the trees in those

[3:20:46] Voice 31: areas from a fire smart perspective and then there's the forests that run between all the

[3:20:52] Voice 31: properties that need management practices so I think that's where the interest lies of working

[3:21:02] Voice 31: it but I have a a question more about process possible process and I noticed that the regional

[3:21:10] Voice 31: district in Nanaimo had put forward a resolution asking for tree man oh they've they've now just

[3:21:18] Voice 31: using the word tree management i like i think that's a much better word than tree cutting

[3:21:26] Voice 31: and that they had noted that the province had answered back on sunshine coasts regional

[3:21:33] Voice 31: districts attempt for this a couple years ago in 2019 that the province had said that

[3:21:39] Voice 31: the that the issue is complex and that regional districts are unique and they need a customized

[3:21:45] Voice 31: solution instead of the tree cutting thing. So I'm wondering if there's partnerships here that

[3:21:50] Voice 31: we should be exploring with some of these other regional districts like Sunshine Coast and

[3:21:54] Voice 31: Regional District and Nanaimo and whoever else might be interested in what is, you know, this

[3:22:00] Voice 31: exploration phase of what this regulatory thing is, if the province thinks it's special and

[3:22:06] Voice 31: customized.

[3:22:07] Voice 21: Interestingly, yeah, I think you've hit on a note and I'll just provide this. In

[3:22:12] in

[3:22:12] Voice 21: speaking with the ministry i think that issue itself is one of potential caution and what i mean

[3:22:21] Voice 21: by that is the regional districts of course and cover the entire province and the working forest

[3:22:28] Voice 21: of the province and the islands trust could be seen as a special entity um but of course

[3:22:36] Voice 21: regional districts haven't been provided this authority like a municipality has and

[3:22:42] Voice 21: the concern that if um what if the trust got what would be the rationale for the trust having this

[3:22:47] Voice 21: type of authority and other rural lands not so that's something that needs to be kept in mind

[3:22:54] Voice 21: just um sort of a variant of what you said and i only mentioned that because i i've heard

[3:22:59] Voice 21: discussions around that so thank you very much that sort of question one are you okay

[3:23:05] Voice 21: can

[3:23:05] Trustee Fast: i just say trustee dodds and trustee colburn have their hands up too and they haven't spoken

[3:23:10] Trustee Fast: Well,

[3:23:11] Voice 21: I can't see them.

[3:23:13] Trustee Fast: I see two hands on my screen.

[3:23:15] Trustee Fast: They don't have their video on.

[3:23:16] Voice 21: Okay.

[3:23:17] Voice 21: Trustee Colbert.

[3:23:18] Voice 21: I'm sorry.

[3:23:20] Voice 12: That's okay.

[3:23:20] Voice 12: Thank you.

[3:23:21] Voice 12: Thank you, Vice Chair Fast.

[3:23:23] Voice 12: I just want to point out this is a huge issue on this island.

[3:23:28] Voice 12: Absolutely.

[3:23:28] Voice 12: Probably the leading issue.

[3:23:30] Voice 12: We had a land holder cut down, you know, a very large forest across from the community hall.

[3:23:39] Voice 12: and and of course you saw the logging trucks all the time and and the economic value of that is

[3:23:43] Voice 12: 800 000 or a million dollars so very very much talked about and a lot of different views um

[3:23:49] Voice 12: what's not part of this process so far is first nations knowledge um any sort of um engaged

[3:23:56] Voice 12: engagement in um working towards a plan together so that's something that i think the trust can

[3:24:02] Voice 12: can bring to this um including this process is to get that those relationships early on in this

[3:24:11] Voice 12: we as a local trust committee had a couple of applications and rezoning one was for the

[3:24:18] Voice 12: community skate park so it's the regional district that brought the application there

[3:24:21] Voice 12: were a bunch of trees around where they're going to put that that wheel park that skate park they

[3:24:25] Voice 12: there are arborist report that you know those trees have been damaged during the construction

[3:24:29] Voice 12: of of other facilities like the tennis court so you know they were trees that that had sort of

[3:24:35] Voice 12: reached a point where um you know they might not flourish and so we asked as part of that that

[3:24:42] Voice 12: there be a tree replacement program and that sort of introduced that to the regional district

[3:24:45] Voice 12: and so they've kind of had to figure out how to do that through their park management plans and

[3:24:49] Voice 12: where you know where on other parts of the island will they replace those trees and eight to one so

[3:24:53] Voice 12: six to eight you know 600 to 800 trees to replace the 100 that they're removing so you know i think

[3:24:59] Voice 12: there's mechanisms within the trust to get some of these things on the table and i think

[3:25:04] Voice 12: reforestation obviously that's part of what i'm working on this week reforestation on on

[3:25:10] Voice 12: is crucial in restoration just to kind of um acknowledge of how many trees are coming down

[3:25:17] Voice 12: this is a climate crisis issue for me it's not aesthetics and the other piece of it

[3:25:23] Voice 12: there was a multi-family application on donated land the previous road maintenance company

[3:25:32] Voice 12: donated the land to the housing society and of course it had coastal douglas fir on it

[3:25:35] Voice 12: and the current zoning was industrial and they could have clear-cut every single tree

[3:25:40] Voice 12: and so part of the decision making is you know if we rezone this and we have a dpa for ecological

[3:25:45] Voice 12: protection and forest protection as part of that you know we can actually update and upgrade the

[3:25:51] Voice 12: current zoning outside of an official community plan or other things the problem with the zoning

[3:25:55] Voice 12: and the planning that we have is that it's based on more the economic values things like waterfront

[3:26:01] Voice 12: it doesn't really come into ecological and we know that contiguous forest connected forest wildlife

[3:26:05] Voice 12: corridors you know we're not doing this from a science-based or traditional knowledge-based

[3:26:09] Voice 12: point of view we're trying to play catch-up to the way the islands were planned and zoned

[3:26:13] Voice 12: so we have little mechanisms here and there but i think we need more and then the other piece of it

[3:26:17] Voice 12: is fire project prevention and the fire smart programs maybe being more based on the interior

[3:26:23] Voice 12: approach and we could definitely use more of a coastal douglas for to educate the large number

[3:26:30] Voice 12: of new property holders as they make the decisions on how to do the land right now they're clear

[3:26:34] Voice 12: cutting it like plain and simple it's just it's post to post to post it goes back on the market

[3:26:39] Voice 12: or it's um or it's developed and there's the um the lab the what happens is there's no there's no

[3:26:45] Voice 12: pervious surfaces it's just completely completely covered despite the islands

[3:26:51] Voice 12: trust lot coverage so that's the overview from here thank you very much

[3:26:55] Voice 21: trusty dogs

[3:26:56] Voice 21: so

[3:26:58] Voice 43: try to keep it short for those that aren't aware the fallow deer

[3:27:01] Voice 43: on Main Island have destroyed almost a hundred percent of the understory so you

[3:27:05] Voice 43: won't find any seedlings on my 60 acres because they've eaten them all so when I

[3:27:11] Voice 43: When I came in 1960, we probably have at least 100% more trees than when I came.

[3:27:16] Voice 43: Main Island was heavily subdivided back in the 60s, so the majority of my landowners

[3:27:20] Voice 43: sit on very tiny lots, and they are now faced with a situation where those lots that were

[3:27:26] Voice 43: cleared over 50 years ago have trees that are presenting a hazard.

[3:27:30] Voice 43: So for the majority of my community, tree cutting bylaws would impose a burden on them.

[3:27:37] Voice 43: Also, with the huge amount of die-off of our cedar, and I think because of our fallow

[3:27:41] Voice 43: deer it's worse on main island because they have not only destroyed the understory but they've also

[3:27:46] Voice 43: flattened down surface so that the water is compacted and so there's that issue i do think

[3:27:52] Voice 43: that you know if the islands if there are communities who feel that tree cutting bylaws

[3:27:56] Voice 43: would benefit them i'm not opposed to trust council as a whole but i would be strongly opposed

[3:28:02] Voice 43: to imposing a tree cutting bylaw on my community where in fact i rarely ever hear any concerns

[3:28:08] Voice 43: about actual having a bylaw that would control how many trees we all have special trees my

[3:28:14] Voice 43: understanding from my realtors people don't clear cut their lots they know the value of trees i think

[3:28:20] Voice 43: education is the key i don't really see the point in imposing more rules if people don't really

[3:28:26] Voice 43: understand the value of their trees and i can't say that we've done a lot to educate people about

[3:28:31] Voice 43: their trees but without getting rid of the fallow deer and the whole deer issue i mean it's totally

[3:28:38] Voice 43: counterproductive so that's it I gotta drive on the ferry bye-bye

[3:28:41] Voice 21: and I'll just

[3:28:50] Trustee Fast: chip in a few things and and that's just from Bowen as an island in the Islands

[3:28:55] Trustee Fast: Trust besides the industrial logging concerns we've got I have to agree with

[3:29:01] Trustee Fast: Laura Patrick it's it's watersheds uh it's uh wildfire concerns from the slash that's left

[3:29:09] Trustee Fast: and the way the forests are uh well anyway that's the industrial logging side of things otherwise

[3:29:17] Trustee Fast: there's lots of uh clear cutting of new lots when new owners come here as well we have a

[3:29:24] Trustee Fast: a site uh modification bylaw in the works but it'll only be for municipal land um in the short

[3:29:33] Trustee Fast: term i think there's a role here for conservation covenants and protected areas as paul brent

[3:29:38] Trustee Fast: mentioned uh that his community is working towards um all all islands can benefit from that through

[3:29:45] Trustee Fast: the islands trust conservancy and i'm aware that some uh conservation covenants just set out a

[3:29:52] Trustee Fast: building envelope and everything outside of that has to stay as the original forest. That's one

[3:29:58] Trustee Fast: simple

[3:30:00] Trustee Fast: example um otherwise um uh the connectivity the ecosystem health as we enter a period of

[3:30:09] Trustee Fast: climate change and the um ecosystem processes can they continue when one lot has been clear-cut

[3:30:20] Trustee Fast: out of a uh contiguous forest uh stretch and then there's the species at risk which the

[3:30:26] Trustee Fast: the Islands Trust is getting into presenting, protecting,

[3:30:28] Trustee Fast: and that's back into the wildlife habitat part.

[3:30:33] Trustee Fast: When an area, for example, has been used as a heronry

[3:30:38] Trustee Fast: by herons, a listed species,

[3:30:41] Trustee Fast: and they move away for a couple of years,

[3:30:43] Trustee Fast: it can all be cut down under the current rules,

[3:30:46] Trustee Fast: even though they have used it eight years out of 10.

[3:30:49] Trustee Fast: So those are some of my concerns, that's it.

[3:30:53] Voice 21: Okay, thanks very much. So we're 20-25 minutes in. We've kind of covered part one,

[3:31:00] Voice 21: but it has some other pieces. Are you okay with the way you're being facilitated here

[3:31:06] Voice 21: generally? Okay, I just need four out of seven to say yes. Great. So I think we should probably

[3:31:14] Voice 21: move to a couple other areas that you have interest in. If I could paraphrase

[3:31:21] Voice 21: phrase c scope would have been any potential bylaw applied to your entire local trust area

[3:31:26] Voice 21: or selected areas we've already heard a little bit from you um is there any sort of brief

[3:31:31] Voice 21: statements around that just knowing your islands the way you do do you see it being um more focused

[3:31:36] Voice 21: or um a blanket approach

[3:31:38] Voice 27: yes

[3:31:41] Voice 21: uh trustee allen yeah you're on mute sir yeah

[3:31:48] Trustee Allen: it's not quite addressing

[3:31:49] Trustee Allen: I was, I was interested how many properties have had covenants on pre cutting in the trust area, you probably can answer that now maybe maybe trustee fast beyond the conspiracy board but it's it's curious that as a mechanism for people that, you know, after

[3:32:10] Trustee Allen: they've sold the property coming from not cutting trees.

[3:32:13] Trustee Allen: Is that used often or not.

[3:32:15] Trustee Allen: on yeah

[3:32:17] Trustee Fast: conservation covenants are there i think we've got over a hundred of them at the island's

[3:32:21] Trustee Fast: trust conservancy and uh all of them have to be put on by the owner before the property changes

[3:32:27] Trustee Fast: hands and then it runs with the title so and then it has to be managed by the island's trust

[3:32:31] Trustee Fast: conservancy so they are picky about what they choose because they have limited resources

[3:32:36] Trustee Allen: so it can't be somebody selling their house on a few acres and saying you can't cut any more

[3:32:41] Trustee Allen: trees down that can't be a covenant uh

[3:32:44] Trustee Fast: not under the current rules with the current number of staff

[3:32:47] Trustee Fast: it would have to be a big property with significant uh ecological values because they have to um

[3:32:57] Trustee Fast: spend their resources on the high value ecologies if

[3:33:03] Voice 21: i may that certainly could be a tool in the

[3:33:06] Voice 21: toolkit yeah um this is we're trying to focus this on whether this authority is needed and

[3:33:13] Voice 21: potentially it might not be if conservation was a very strong mechanism it might indeed be

[3:33:17] Voice 21: um but uh we really have to sort of tie up this specific request um so to the question of scope

[3:33:27] Voice 21: um i see trustee be shaken yeah

[3:33:31] Voice 42: i it's a it's kind of a tough question for me and i actually

[3:33:34] Voice 42: would love to talk to it or to hear from a forest ecologist about that and I really would like it to

[3:33:39] Voice 42: be based on where it truly is is warranted for for the purposes um of which we we we want to use it

[3:33:50] Voice 42: and so it may or may not be and it really depends how it's you know what the exceptions are and that

[3:33:57] Voice 42: kind of thing but i i think it it needs to be only used in a really um precise way and not create not

[3:34:07] Voice 42: just be saving the trees because it feels good but because these are the trees that really there's a

[3:34:13] Voice 42: real reason to save them thank you

[3:34:15] Voice 21: anyone else um trustee patrick well

[3:34:20] Voice 31: i think it's a it's a it's

[3:34:21] Voice 31: a both i mean we we have subdivisions on our islands like quarter acre lot subdivisions or

[3:34:27] Voice 31: or Magic Lake where they're very dense,

[3:34:30] Voice 31: suburban style subdivisions that benefit

[3:34:34] Voice 31: from a very different management need than a broader area

[3:34:41] Voice 31: where our concerns might be heritage trees

[3:34:43] Voice 31: or something different.

[3:34:44] Voice 31: So I see it not being blanket.

[3:34:47] Voice 31: It would be very specific to the needs.

[3:34:55] Voice 21: anyone else on scope that they really want to weigh in quickly

[3:35:00] Trustee Fast: and then me yeah

[3:35:02] Voice 23: thank you

[3:35:04] Voice 23: so i'm thinking that uh we it would need to be blanket uh in the sense of certain elements of it

[3:35:12] Voice 23: for example these uh um significant trees you know they could be all over the island and so

[3:35:19] Voice 23: So you'd want to be able to identify and protect them.

[3:35:26] Voice 23: And certain special trees like the Gary Oak, which is pretty darn rare on Denman Island.

[3:35:34] Voice 23: And there have been attempts to reintroduce or expand the area of Gary Oak ecosystem,

[3:35:39] Voice 23: systems um particularly in light of the fact that the uh red listed taylor's checkerspot butterfly

[3:35:48] Voice 23: was found here and its typical habitat is garyo ecosystem so anyway um that i think would be

[3:35:58] Voice 23: would be one that we'd want to look at and of course hornby has has some nice groves of gary oak

[3:36:05] Voice 23: in public parks for sure and maybe elsewhere so i'm thinking everywhere but you know given these

[3:36:12] Voice 23: exceptions or the drafting of the thing like from what i perceive the machosin thing covers the

[3:36:19] Voice 23: entire municipality or district there but has very significant if i can call them liberal exemptions

[3:36:31] Voice 23: so that might be the way to go okay yeah

[3:36:35] Trustee Fast: i'll just jump in with one scale idea and that is

[3:36:40] Trustee Fast: i think it's sanich which only has a tree or anyway they started with a tree cutting uh bylaw

[3:36:48] Trustee Fast: along the foreshore along the shoreline sorry uh because they were finding that water as waterfront

[3:36:54] Trustee Fast: property properties flipped and were expanded that there were no no no habitat for forage fishes or

[3:37:04] Trustee Fast: they were losing all their arbutus and things like that anyway I just I think thinking about

[3:37:11] Trustee Fast: forage fish and beaches and those kinds of habitats that allow salmon and whales to come

[3:37:21] Trustee Fast: close to the shore because there's food there um we might want some on the shoreline just that's

[3:37:29] Trustee Fast: something one might want yeah

[3:37:31] Voice 21: i haven't seen that and

[3:37:33] Voice 12: trustee colvin here just quickly i'll just um

[3:37:35] Voice 12: support what trustee boucher can set around forest ecology not you know arborists i agree with trustee

[3:37:40] Voice 12: allen to some extent and agree completely trustee fast i think it has to be sort of blanket because

[3:37:44] Voice 12: all these ecosystems are interconnected um interconnected great

[3:37:49] Voice 21: thank you thank you for

[3:37:50] Voice 21: your um deep and rapid comments um so there's a couple other very important ones here i think

[3:37:58] Voice 21: um one is measurement of success exemptions you know what would your community want um out from

[3:38:05] Voice 21: under um tree cutting um i mean uh wood cutting part of the tradition of uh the area what are

[3:38:14] Voice 21: some other examples um what could be you could be comfortable with so do you want to sort of tackle

[3:38:19] Voice 21: some exemptions or do you want to talk about measuring success let's go with some exemptions

[3:38:27] Voice 21: um so we're going to go to e what would be sort of acceptable exceptions in in your experience

[3:38:33] Voice 21: to having some sort of regulation is it by volume is it by species is it in already disturbed areas

[3:38:45] Voice 21: i see

[3:38:46] Trustee Fast: laura beshaken's hand is up and laura patrick's uh

[3:38:49] Voice 21: yes trustee was shaking

[3:38:51] Voice 42: laura's

[3:38:53] Voice 42: have it um like again i think that um i would want this to to be determined by forest ecologists

[3:39:00] Voice 42: looking at where it's most important to protect the contiguous forest and what species uh looking

[3:39:07] Voice 42: at all the values that are protected um because i just don't have that expertise but you know i

[3:39:13] Voice 42: mean some of the things i just know about from looking at other places and reading are um i mean

[3:39:20] Voice 42: I mean, I guess I'm not thinking, let me, in my mind, I'm thinking where we need it and not where

[3:39:25] Voice 42: the acceptance are. So to rethink it, I think highly disturbed areas that are not likely to

[3:39:30] Voice 42: have a good opportunity to grow back. And that might be small lot subdivisions. Obviously people

[3:39:36] Voice 42: need to be able to do the uses that are permitted. So there would need to be some exceptions around

[3:39:42] Voice 42: that. Like I also think in the small lot subdivisions, sunlight is important. And so

[3:39:50] Voice 42: whether that is an exception, or just the way the bylaw is written, it would be great.

[3:39:57] Voice 42: I don't

[3:39:58] Voice 21: want to be the crafter of that bylaw, I can tell you.

[3:40:00] Voice 42: Okay, well,

[3:40:01] Voice 21: for sunlight bylaw.

[3:40:03] Voice 42: Well, no, we didn't. Well, it doesn't need to be written that crassly. But I mean,

[3:40:07] Voice 42: I've looked at a few bylaws, and they're fairly complex and subtle things. And it

[3:40:11] Voice 42: it could just

[3:40:11] Voice 42: be lot size like in an area of a lot of you know small lots the only thing that

[3:40:17] Voice 42: would get protected are you know heritage trees culturally important trees that kind of thing and

[3:40:22] Voice 42: the rest could be left open or or the percentage of tree cover would be very low that's demanded

[3:40:28] Voice 42: and that would naturally allow for that because i don't think you can yet let me you're right you

[3:40:31] Voice 42: can't measure sunlight I mean I guess you could but I don't know um okay so um yeah that's about

[3:40:39] Voice 42: it uh

[3:40:40] Voice 21: can we go Brent Patrick and then Colbert yeah

[3:40:46] Voice 15: the one thing I want to point out and I'm

[3:40:48] Voice 15: not even sure it's relevant to answering the question I do sort of agree with Laura Bushaken

[3:40:53] Voice 15: but one of the things we should be a little sensitive uh of is when we talk about tree

[3:40:59] Voice 15: permits and we talk about the need for certified arborists to come out and do an assessment

[3:41:04] Voice 15: we have to be cognizant of the fact that some of our islands are somewhat difficult to reach

[3:41:09] Voice 15: and so what may work really well in an urban environment where you're certified

[3:41:13] Voice 15: and arborists can be at your property in a half hour maybe doesn't work so well on an island where

[3:41:21] Voice 15: getting a certified arborist might involve a six to ten hour journey for them and so the

[3:41:28] Voice 15: The economic costs to residents of the island and property owners is just going to pile on more of the same costs that lead to these islands becoming more and more unaffordable.

[3:41:43] Voice 15: So that needs to be factored into any of these types of thoughts.

[3:41:49] Voice 15: Thank you.

[3:41:50] Voice 15: Trustee Patrick.

[3:41:52] Voice 31: Yeah, and I'm kind of following on Trustee Brent is right.

[3:41:56] Voice 31: Right. I think no matter where we're going, we're looking at highly education, communication so that people know and that the flexibility exemptions are flexible enough that it's understandable.

[3:42:09] Voice 31: It's, you know, we're living in rural properties. I'm harvesting for firewood. I'm doing these things. I'm managing my forest to an ecosystem plan.

[3:42:18] Voice 31: land, you know, that those things are all very clear and, you know, that we're not adding that

[3:42:25] Voice 31: added layer unless it's necessary. And it's a tough, tough tightrope, but that's the challenge.

[3:42:36] Voice 21: Trustee Colbert, and then Critchley.

[3:42:39] Voice 12: Yeah, I was tempted to say like zero exemptions

[3:42:42] Voice 12: as a climate crisis, but I do hear the argument. I believe the trust should be,

[3:42:48] Voice 12: have more traditional knowledge and scientific expertise weighing in its decision-making and

[3:42:53] Voice 12: its processes. So I would, you know, not necessarily like to see, you know, you need

[3:42:59] Voice 12: arborists to go to Saturna, but, you know, do we have the expertise? Do we have the mapping?

[3:43:03] Voice 12: Are we able to inform people about their decision-making and regulate this? Because

[3:43:09] Voice 12: honestly, we're in a climate crisis, partly because we've found exemptions for uses that

[3:43:15] Voice 12: that are economic in nature

[3:43:18] Voice 12: and that enhance the property values.

[3:43:19] Voice 12: It's not so much about affordability

[3:43:20] Voice 12: as enhancing the properties that people have.

[3:43:26] Voice 12: So they're not being managed or stewarded

[3:43:29] Voice 12: on some islands the way they are in others.

[3:43:32] Voice 12: And so we need a very strong regulatory approach

[3:43:35] Voice 12: across the board.

[3:43:37] Voice 40: Thank you.

[3:43:38] Voice 40: Trustee Critchley.

[3:43:40] Voice 23: Thank you.

[3:43:41] Voice 23: Just thinking of one sort of exemption might be

[3:43:44] Voice 23: uh to have a defined area from a dwelling so uh whether that would be you know 50 feet or 100 feet

[3:43:53] Voice 23: um i'm thinking of getting sunlight in and and being able to um have a garden that gets sun

[3:44:01] Voice 23: and and you know you could even differentiate uh for the southern aspect you know so that

[3:44:07] Voice 23: But you might have 50 feet, generally speaking, but, you know, 100 feet to the south or something like that could get more creative.

[3:44:19] Voice 23: But that's just off the top of my head.

[3:44:21] Voice 21: Excellent. Thank you.

[3:44:23] Voice 21: Trustee Fast.

[3:44:24] Trustee Fast: Thank you. And I see Trustee Dodds as well.

[3:44:27] Trustee Fast: So maybe you want to take her in case she disappears again.

[3:44:30] Voice 21: Okay, let's go with Dodds.

[3:44:32] Trustee Fast: On the

[3:44:32] Voice 43: ferry now, so I'm not going to disappear.

[3:44:34] Voice 43: disappear um but i wanted

[3:44:36] Voice 43: to say so so i missed and plus i was running out of power because the

[3:44:39] Voice 43: ferry of course is half an hour late um but i wanted to say what's important i missed the part

[3:44:43] Voice 43: of your conversation but what's important going back to my island with my 1200 plus small lot

[3:44:49] Voice 43: people is the incredible windstorms in the winter so when uh david christian is talking about the

[3:44:54] Voice 43: distances there are some humongous trees now these properties as i said were logged out in the 60s

[3:45:00] Voice 43: so i i don't think you can i think every each island individually needs to decide whether it

[3:45:06] Voice 43: even wants a tree cutting bylaw and then to try to cover all the complaints about my neighbor cut a

[3:45:11] Voice 43: tree or my neighbor didn't cut a tree i think that the honest trust has more than enough to do

[3:45:16] Voice 43: with what we're doing right now i think you're biting on another chunk of work and you're going

[3:45:21] Voice 43: to end up hiring more staff and i think we just keep going and adding staff and we never get

[3:45:24] Voice 43: anything actually concrete done i don't think this serves a purpose certainly not for my island

[3:45:30] Voice 43: okay

[3:45:31] Voice 21: thank you so we've got about seven minutes left i do want to get to the question of um

[3:45:38] Voice 21: resourcing um and i know i'm gonna get you just a second trustee fast resourcing and i'd love to

[3:45:45] Voice 21: hear about the first nations of culturally modified tree protection and how you think that

[3:45:49] Voice 21: we could um advance our reconciliation work by providing that and in concert with first nations

[3:45:55] Voice 21: through some mechanism you could use this bylaw in a certain unusual way but i'll go to trustee

[3:46:00] Voice 21: first sure

[3:46:02] Trustee Fast: this relates to resourcing but it's just that um scott colburn uh wondered about the

[3:46:08] Trustee Fast: expertise that was needed uh we do have some of that we do have that expertise in the islands

[3:46:13] Trustee Fast: trust conservancy so as we or if we were to have more overlap between the two um uh as sometimes

[3:46:24] Trustee Fast: applications are referred uh to the honest trust conservancy the expertise is there that doesn't

[3:46:29] Trustee Fast: mean the full-time equivalents are there right

[3:46:32] Voice 21: well that takes us beautifully to the next question

[3:46:35] Voice 21: and and we don't have the time to get into a profound way but if if you contemplate you know

[3:46:41] Voice 21: what is your view on the islands trust if we took and managed to get this authority um would you be

[3:46:48] Voice 21: in favor or what would you see being additional resources staffing or otherwise to maintain

[3:46:54] Voice 21: this new regulatory power because there would be I can tell you both planning by law enforcement

[3:47:01] Voice 21: and forestry expertise on some level would need to be undertaken and it's the question probably

[3:47:09] Voice 21: trustee Brent thought this through it's do you externalize those costs back to the applicant

[3:47:13] Voice 21: applicant do you tax them and you know bring that stuff in house um how do we do it so are there any

[3:47:20] Voice 21: thoughts on resourcing before we go to our last question a couple of minutes uh trustee patrick

[3:47:25] Voice 31: i still i'm going to keep pushing the uh the uh nature smart climate solutions fund and the policy

[3:47:32] Voice 31: sector based opportunity here if we were to partner with first nations and some of these

[3:47:36] Voice 31: regional districts for the development of this type of work i think we could end up with something

[3:47:41] Voice 31: pretty cool because it's all about climate change.

[3:47:44] Voice 21: Okay, thank you, absolutely.

[3:47:47] Voice 15: Trustee Brent.

[3:47:50] Voice 15: So the one thing we are going to need if we're going to venture into this is true forestry

[3:47:55] Voice 15: expertise and particularly when we talk about forest cover and and the whole thing and I'm

[3:48:01] Voice 15: unconvinced that we have that kind of that kind of expertise anywhere in the trust right now so

[3:48:07] Voice 15: So if we're going to do it, we better do it right.

[3:48:10] Voice 15: And so there are a lot of unique forest ecosystems that I do know.

[3:48:17] Voice 15: And so it's not a one size fits all or anything close.

[3:48:20] Voice 15: As a matter of fact, most sites are pretty site specific in terms of how to maintain health.

[3:48:27] Voice 15: So what I think, yeah, we basically have to duplicate some of the expertise that already exists in provincial ministries.

[3:48:35] Voice 21: indeed

[3:48:36] Voice 15: we do not

[3:48:37] Voice 21: have forestry expertise at this point in the islands trust that would

[3:48:40] Voice 21: uh enable this system so it would there would need to be an investment i can just

[3:48:46] Voice 21: probably say that with some confidence right now um trustee dogs then colbert yeah well

[3:48:52] Voice 43: i do think you'd have to increase your level of bylaw enforcement because the reality is a lot

[3:48:58] Voice 43: of the people that come to the islands even today and on my island were heavily developed

[3:49:03] Voice 43: are almost at build out, but they see this very much as a rural community. And so coming in now

[3:49:09] Voice 43: and suddenly being imposed in terms of what they would see simply as I can't cut a tree for my

[3:49:16] Voice 43: firewood, I think you're going to find a huge pushback. We have a long history of logging on

[3:49:21] Voice 43: the island, which no longer happens. We have a lot of people who mill up their wood, use their wood

[3:49:28] Voice 43: for fires all of those things so i i still i think it's going to cost a lot of time and energy

[3:49:35] Voice 43: when in fact we should be doing an education program and covenants and understanding the

[3:49:41] Voice 43: value of the trees in terms of climate change especially after the heat wave we had this summer

[3:49:47] Voice 41: okay uh colbert yeah

[3:49:50] Voice 12: absolutely education is part of this i completely agree with testy patrick

[3:49:54] Voice 12: there are opportunities here to do this in a coordinated manner if we don't the islands trust

[3:50:00] Voice 12: mandate is meaningless meaningless because it's this is the essence of it this is what we should

[3:50:06] Voice 12: be doing better than anyone else the fact that we don't have forestry expertise makes the mandate

[3:50:11] Voice 12: greenwashing in many ways so in my opinion absolutely everything that trustee dodds just

[3:50:17] Voice 12: listed got to do all those things but there's a component of this that we should be making

[3:50:22] Voice 12: decisions in a different way with different foundational factors and there's funding out

[3:50:26] Voice 12: there to do in a cooperative manner that actually lives up to the trust mandate and turns into

[3:50:30] Voice 12: something real so

[3:50:32] Voice 21: the core question here i'm hearing

[3:50:33] Voice 12: that and noting that

[3:50:34] Voice 21: the core question

[3:50:35] Voice 21: is at this point in your understanding are you in support or non-supportive um core resourcing

[3:50:42] Voice 21: increasing here at the islands trust to facilitate this certainly trying to obtain grants would be a

[3:50:48] Voice 21: part of the package but um just you know what's the threshold of comfort um associated with that

[3:50:55] Trustee Fast: mr cao you may have noticed the room is filling up because we're past 450 yeah

[3:50:59] Voice 21: but uh i think i

[3:51:01] Voice 21: think our team can um just finish off if

[3:51:03] Voice 42: there's a few more questions

[3:51:04] Voice 21: um trustee be shaken so

[3:51:08] Voice 42: briefly i do think we will need more resources certainly to develop this uh if we externalize

[3:51:14] Voice 42: it if you look at how we did rar we don't we didn't hire more resources for that um and we

[3:51:21] Voice 42: externalize it um we do already have a fair amount in place and great partners we work with and

[3:51:27] Voice 42: there's some great reports out there already one from an environmental law center one from rain

[3:51:31] Voice 42: coast conservation foundation and then there's the whole cdf partnership so i think that um i think

[3:51:38] Voice 42: that there's option a lot of options for collaboration and grants uh but we do we are

[3:51:43] Voice 42: going to need science to to create this and maybe to create some additional mapping um and working

[3:51:50] Voice 42: with first nations um once it's in place uh i think it could be if we externalize the expertise

[3:51:57] Voice 42: um it could run fairly smoothly and thank

[3:52:01] Voice 29: you it needs

[3:52:02] Voice 42: to be done with a lot of community education

[3:52:05] Voice 42: and i think then you won't need all that extra enforcement stuff that people are worried about

[3:52:10] Voice 21: so our last

[3:52:10] Voice 21: two speakers um as we're honoring the groups coming back in trustee allen and

[3:52:14] Voice 21: uh trustee pritchett will wrap us up um

[3:52:17] Trustee Allen: i'm not in favor of hiring more staff i just feel like

[3:52:21] Trustee Allen: you keep on hiring more and more um i agree with trustee patrick and trustee dodds um

[3:52:28] Trustee Allen: partnering with other agencies that have got expertise i i just feel like we just keep on

[3:52:33] Trustee Allen: hiring another consultant another employee and this is where i was going to bring it up another

[3:52:38] Trustee Allen: another time in trust council but when you when you got these employees you got you loan them out

[3:52:45] Trustee Allen: to other ministries or something why does that happen why don't they get loaned out to like the

[3:52:49] Trustee Allen: forest instead of something that has nothing to do with islands trust like why do they go off to

[3:52:55] Trustee Allen: some i don't know what that term is for where they go off and for a year or something and then come

[3:53:00] Trustee Allen: back why do they not send them to things where they actually need to learn instead of hiring

[3:53:05] Trustee Allen: consultants all the time a good question now

[3:53:08] Voice 21: feel free to give me a call and i can i can give you a

[3:53:10] Voice 21: good explanation for why that was the case um trustee critchley yeah

[3:53:16] Voice 23: thank you um so i guess

[3:53:20] Voice 23: i'm thinking uh yeah we definitely need more staff uh we would use the professional reliance model so

[3:53:28] Voice 23: we wouldn't necessarily need foresters i don't suppose although in the initial planning stage

[3:53:34] Voice 23: if we're going to look at continuous tree cover

[3:53:37] Voice 23: from an environmental point of view.

[3:53:40] Voice 23: And that's going to be our standard.

[3:53:41] Voice 23: We're definitely going to need expertise there

[3:53:43] Voice 23: and hence expense.

[3:53:44] Voice 23: But I'm also concerned about the ongoing expense

[3:53:46] Voice 23: of people always putting forward permit applications.

[3:53:51] Voice 23: Somebody's got to deal with that.

[3:53:53] Voice 23: There's going to

[3:53:53] Voice 23: be a fee for it, presumably,

[3:53:54] Voice 23: whether we recover it.

[3:53:56] Voice 23: That's a question.

[3:53:57] Voice 23: But I'm also concerned too

[3:53:59] Voice 23: about the enforcement aspects of it.

[3:54:02] Voice 23: And increasingly, we've got more and more wealthy people coming to the islands. And, you know, doing what you want to do could become just a matter of an additional expense, which is easy to bear for a wealthy person, because they just simply pay a fine of, you know, whatever it is, $200 a tree or $1,000 a tree, whatever you call it.

[3:54:23] Voice 23: but people are going to do what they want to do

[3:54:25] Voice 23: and pay for it if they've got the money.

[3:54:29] Voice 23: So overall, I'm having second thoughts on this.

[3:54:32] Voice 23: I was quite keen about it to begin with,

[3:54:35] Voice 23: but I'll confess that this discussion has been very helpful

[3:54:38] Voice 23: and I'm seriously having some second thoughts.

[3:54:41] Voice 23: Thanks.

[3:54:42] Voice 21: Okay, well, thank

[3:54:43] Voice 23: you very much.

[3:54:43] Voice 21: Thanks very much to Group 1.

[3:54:46] Voice 21: You know, an hour doesn't do this topic any justice,

[3:54:49] Voice 21: but by multiplying it times four,

[3:54:51] Voice 21: hopefully we've got some uh some good material here um and i thought we didn't get to the last

[3:54:57] Voice 21: question so anyone in my group who wants to address the last question and email me directly

[3:55:01] Voice 21: and that's around um partnerships with first nations and culturally modified troop protection

[3:55:06] Voice 21: i'm happy to take those comments in and i'll include them in any reporting out and indeed

[3:55:12] Voice 21: if anyone didn't get to the topic they wanted to get to feel free to write me a certain omnibus

[3:55:18] Voice 21: letter and i'll add it to the package um with that we're at the end of the breakout session

[3:55:26] Voice 21: how many do we have can i

[3:55:29] Trustee Allen: ask one question please

[3:55:30] Voice 21: yes sir

[3:55:31] Trustee Allen: um i didn't understand that last question

[3:55:35] Trustee Allen: culturally modified tree protection can you just explain that quickly well

[3:55:39] Voice 21: um this could go on for

[3:55:41] Voice 21: this could go

[3:55:41] Voice 21: on a long time this thing but uh certainly i'll email you

[3:55:44] Voice 21: yeah trees of significance

[3:55:46] Voice 21: against the first nations that are um throughout um the forest landscape including on private lands

[3:55:51] Voice 21: uh i could probably point you to five examples that have hit the newspaper in the last year of

[3:55:57] Voice 21: um trees that were either um taken down or um or some damage done to them that caused harm

[3:56:04] Voice 21: and um do we you know how can we manifest a role there if we're putting some sort of program into

[3:56:10] Voice 21: place and what would um is that an opportunity to advance some reconciliation work so that would be

[3:56:15] Voice 21: to um just in a in a nutshell um the issue um so if not now i think we had uh four trustees who

[3:56:24] Voice 21: just do i think just just to bring the the consciousness of the group back together

[3:56:29] Voice 21: um having come come apart for the discussion maybe a one minute or one and a half minute summary

[3:56:34] Voice 21: would take this very close to five o'clock if you're okay with that mr chair i don't know

[3:56:40] Voice 21: i only know of trustee fast because she was in my group so i'm going to start with the

[3:56:44] Voice 21: Vice Chair Fast, if you could just maybe give us a bit of a flavor of the conversation,

[3:56:49] Voice 21: and then we'll go to group two. Thank you.

[3:56:53] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you. Very interesting conversation in

[3:56:56] Trustee Fast: group one. Very different islands. Some trustees thought they didn't need anything like this tree

[3:57:06] Trustee Fast: cutting bylaw. Other ones thought we needed something maybe called a tree management bylaw

[3:57:11] Trustee Fast: all for private land and that it was absolutely necessary so it scaled the whole area the whole

[3:57:18] Trustee Fast: sense of feeling about how much it was needed we talked everything from the big pictures of

[3:57:25] Trustee Fast: watershed health and fire ecology down to wind throw with increasing wind storms

[3:57:33] Trustee Fast: and small lots maybe on small lots there didn't need to be this bylaw wouldn't such a bylaw might

[3:57:43] Trustee Fast: not apply and then maybe along shorelines it might need to apply if you wanted to have

[3:57:50] Trustee Fast: healthy and ecosystem for forage fishes on your beaches so that there were salmon and whales

[3:57:57] Trustee Fast: in front of people's waterfront homes rather than more and more waterfront trees disappearing which

[3:58:04] Trustee Fast: is something i see on bowen and um anyway i uh i think it was a great conversation i won't go into

[3:58:10] Trustee Fast: more details but we got to the end there you heard part of it and i'll stop now thank you

[3:58:15] Trustee Fast: thank

[3:58:16] Voice 21: you very much i was

[3:58:16] Voice 21: in that group so that is accurately rendered um can we go to

[3:58:22] Voice 21: group two is there a spokesperson for group two who could summarize the conversation

[3:58:28] Voice 21: Yeah,

[3:58:29] Voice 40: Doug, again, yeah, it was an interesting conversation, very divergent opinions, and

[3:58:40] Voice 40: basically sort of classic LTC-specific conversation, and so we were looking at, you know, every

[3:58:49] Voice 40: island's going to have, or LTC's going to have, a set of unique issues and or sort of

[3:58:53] Voice 40: habits that have been established for decades and will be challenged such as firewood use and

[3:59:00] Voice 40: cutting etc. Some islands will be doing that a lot and others will be doing it less. The inclusion

[3:59:07] Voice 40: of fire smart into the formula though argued that it would be the newer sort of islands or

[3:59:18] Voice 40: or dry Gulf Islands fire smart

[3:59:20] Voice 40: versus the BC provincial fire smart.

[3:59:24] Voice 40: The notion of habitat conservation

[3:59:26] Voice 40: being an important overarching theme,

[3:59:31] Voice 40: trying to think through what we're doing,

[3:59:34] Voice 40: pre-planning as an important part of this,

[3:59:36] Voice 40: trying to rethink before we cut

[3:59:40] Voice 40: and concerns about the costs

[3:59:44] Voice 40: and trying to get cost recovery out of that,

[3:59:46] Voice 40: the whoever is applying and at the end of the day if we were to have us any additional

[3:59:53] Voice 40: staff debate over whether or not that was a valid reason.

[4:00:00] Voice 40: whether or not there was adequate resources you know maybe within analysis ltc um they would

[4:00:05] Voice 40: uh make it so that we wouldn't have um to new higher additional staff and uh

[4:00:14] Voice 40: great yeah we'll leave it there thanks that's

[4:00:17] Voice 21: good that's that's fantastic um

[4:00:20] Voice 21: three is there a spokesperson for group three yeah that's me

[4:00:26] Voice 37: um

[4:00:28] Voice 37: so so we did we talked also about um how we're what we're actually achieving attempting to

[4:00:38] Voice 37: achieve here and that uh calling what we're hoping to do a tree cutting bylaw is actually

[4:00:44] Voice 37: not helpful um because we're trying to support healthy forests and um and uh we we also want to

[4:00:54] Voice 37: you know do so in a way that doesn't get people's um expectations uh going in the wrong direction

[4:01:02] Voice 37: about what we're trying to achieve we talked a lot about um uh protecting forest canopy

[4:01:09] Voice 37: and uh and ways to look at this uh that support um biodiversity um and uh unfortunately i didn't

[4:01:22] Voice 37: take any notes because we didn't remember to do this until the very end um i think it's a good

[4:01:27] Voice 37: discussion and i think you know it's a good starting point um certainly have uh brought up a

[4:01:34] Voice 37: number of more questions to think about us because we go forward in this discussion thank you very

[4:01:40] Voice 21: much

[4:01:40] Voice 37: and our final person

[4:01:42] Voice 28: i

[4:01:44] Voice 20: was this um grant scott i was a spokesperson i guess um the big

[4:01:53] Voice 20: issue was people clearing any size lot the smaller ones where they build a house clear wall to wall

[4:01:59] Voice 20: down to the bank waterfront the whole issue around erosion and what that creates but on larger lots

[4:02:06] Voice 20: people have cleared land it just almost seems like what settlers do they clear land so that

[4:02:15] Voice 20: was a big issue what it needed to do first before that's done is is look at it from an ecosystem

[4:02:22] Voice 20: system basis the water the riparian areas the stream banks and what came up a number of times

[4:02:31] Voice 20: thread to all of this was was just simply education where people become more aware

[4:02:36] Voice 20: of the importance of of tree cover for water protection for wildfire protection protecting

[4:02:44] Voice 20: hydro lines in the winter so we don't get our power blown out by so often the aesthetics and

[4:02:49] Voice 20: the wildlife trees and the value of all of those kind of things and so the education component of

[4:02:55] Voice 20: people just becoming more aware of that the communities will take on doing this themselves

[4:03:01] Voice 20: and I think we've kind of been able to build this somewhat through this little trees for tomorrow

[4:03:06] Voice 20: project and people do go down and pick up a few trees they take them home or we've got tree

[4:03:10] Voice 20: planters that plant them for them and you know and that'll get into putting some birdhouses up

[4:03:15] Voice 20: on the trees and all these other kind of things so it's kind of a um it becomes really interesting

[4:03:20] Voice 20: and i don't think it's very complicated at all uh the idea of um professionals it was yes you

[4:03:27] Voice 20: can't really do these things now we kind of we didn't get into the detail of whether it would be

[4:03:31] Voice 20: there'd be some staff a staff person with the responsibility like we've done with water

[4:03:36] Voice 20: or whether you bring in somebody from the outside so we definitely thought it should be island every

[4:03:41] Voice 20: Every island is different and unique.

[4:03:43] Voice 20: So it should be, each island should have its own kind of forest bylaws and plans to implement.

[4:03:51] Voice 20: So I'll just leave it there because I think everybody basically ended up saying the same kind of thing.

[4:03:56] Voice 20: So just the importance of it all.

[4:03:58] Voice 20: So thank you.

[4:03:59] Voice 21: Thank you.

[4:04:00] Voice 21: And thanks to all trustees.

[4:04:01] Voice 21: I know that the time allotted probably doesn't do justice to the topic, but certainly we'll take all this information.

[4:04:09] Voice 21: i'll review each of the reported sessions individually and collate this material get

[4:04:14] Voice 21: it back to executive committee and um um you know begin um streaming some of these

[4:04:21] Voice 21: elements into themes and that would be substantive to an argument that's going

[4:04:25] Voice 21: um it um i just extend if anyone wishes to contact me um or any you know david perhaps

[4:04:32] Voice 21: or anyone else um with any further thoughts on this feel free to do it and with that um

[4:04:39] Voice 21: Thanks again, Mr. Chair, we're a few minutes,

[4:04:41] Voice 21: five minutes over, but we'll turn it back to you.

[4:04:43] Voice 26: Excellent, Chair, and thank you.

[4:04:46] Voice 26: That's fantastic.

[4:04:47] Voice 26: That was a good conversation.

[4:04:50] Voice 26: Certainly enjoyed it at my end.

[4:04:52] Voice 26: I don't get necessarily the level of the interaction

[4:04:55] Voice 26: that I did there normally in a council meeting.

[4:04:58] Voice 26: So thank you everybody for contributing.

[4:05:00] Voice 26: This is really important to help us

[4:05:03] Voice 26: know what we're asking the minister

[4:05:05] Voice 26: and they've wanted clarity on this.

[4:05:07] Voice 26: so hopefully we're going to gain some clarity here if we're going to ask for anything in some form

[4:05:15] Voice 26: or another and so thank you so um we are going to recess now until seven o'clock we have um

[4:05:23] Voice 26: a number of delegates and some town hall participants today and that the delegates

[4:05:30] Voice 26: begin on page 107 of your package and uh and then we're going to pick up business tomorrow

[4:05:36] Voice 26: with the items we didn't actually finish today

[4:05:39] Voice 26: at 4.24, 4.25,

[4:05:41] Voice 26: and then continue on with just the other services.

[4:05:45] Voice 26: So thank you, enjoy your break,

[4:05:47] Voice 26: and we'll see you all back here at seven o'clock.

[4:05:50] Voice 26: Please try and be here early or on time, for sure,

[4:05:55] Voice 26: in order to respect the time of the public

[4:05:58] Voice 26: and the delegations.

[4:05:59] Voice 26: Thank you, everybody, for a great day.

[4:06:03] Voice 28: Thank you.

[4:06:04] Voice 28: And let's join us by

[4:06:29] Voice 26: live streaming.

[4:06:30] Voice 26: or as panelists, our guests here tonight. I got ahead of the recording. Anyway, so welcome

[4:06:42] Voice 26: everybody, Allen's Trust Council, evening engagement portion of our agenda, and just

[4:06:52] Voice 26: welcome you all, Council, for coming back, and everybody that has joined us online or on stream.

[4:06:57] Voice 26: I want to

[4:06:58] Voice 26: acknowledge that we are meeting all across the Salish Sea, the Coast Salish Territory of many nations.

[4:07:08] Voice 26: I'm here. My name is Peter Lockham. I'm Chair of Trust Council.

[4:07:11] Voice 26: I'm here in Victoria and Lugunquin Territory. I'm elected on Thetis Island in Penelope and Lai Action Territory.

[4:07:17] Voice 26: We have the majority of our trustees with us tonight from all across the Salish Sea.

[4:07:23] Voice 26: and I will go we'll start with some introductions we'll go around the table just so

[4:07:29] Voice 26: some members of the public have the benefit of knowing who's here

[4:07:34] Voice 26: but before I do that I just want to talk about a safe and respectful environment

[4:07:39] Voice 26: and as the chair of this committee I am committed to ensuring that all people who speak at this

[4:07:44] Voice 26: meeting are treated fairly and respectfully and the language we use will reflect that

[4:07:49] Voice 26: No form of discrimination is acceptable or tolerated. We will all take responsibility

[4:07:55] Voice 26: to create a safe, inclusive environment for everyone to participate and be respected.

[4:08:00] Voice 26: Members of this committee may call a point of order if a speaker's language is not respectful.

[4:08:07] Voice 26: The chair may mute the speaker and ask that their language be adjusted before continuing.

[4:08:12] Voice 26: Comments that include criticism or attacks on other people are considered discriminatory

[4:08:17] Voice 26: and are not allowed. All comments should be accurate and direct. I thank you all for helping

[4:08:23] Voice 26: make this a safe environment for all. It's important that we all take responsibility

[4:08:28] Voice 26: for making this a safe environment. I do my best as chair to ensure that. Sometimes things slip by

[4:08:36] Voice 26: if I'm focused on some other issue that may be arising. So your assistance is much appreciated

[4:08:42] Voice 26: than that um so just quickly around the table here i'll just give us a wave um say hello i'm

[4:08:52] Voice 26: going to start alex allen the hornby island and if i don't hear from you i'm just going to keep

[4:08:59] Voice 26: going uh paul brent saturn island thank you laura beshaken denman island scott colburn

[4:09:12] Voice 26: Gabriola Island. David Critchley, Denman Island. Good evening. Janine Dodds, Maine Island.

[4:09:23] Voice 26: Hello, I'm here. It's poor signal. Great. Sue Ellen Fast, Bowen Island. Hello. Doug Fenton,

[4:09:33] Voice 26: Zetas Island. Hello. Peter Grove, Salt Spring Island. Peter Johnson, Muskegee Island. I'm here,

[4:09:45] Voice 26: here. Thank you. Michael Cahill, Bowen Island. Good evening.

[4:09:50] Voice 26: Case Longerice, Gabriola Island.

[4:09:54] Voice 46: Good evening.

[4:09:55] Voice 26: David Maude, Maine Island. Good evening. Sven McConkie, Pender Island. Hello,

[4:10:03] Voice 26: everyone. Lee Middleton, Saturna Island. Deb Morrison, North Pender Island also,

[4:10:12] Voice 26: as well as Trustee McConkie.

[4:10:15] Voice 26: Laura Patrick, Salt Spring Island.

[4:10:19] Voice 26: Timothy Peterson, Mesquite Island.

[4:10:24] Voice 26: Sahira Rockefeller, Galliano Island.

[4:10:28] Voice 26: Good evening.

[4:10:30] Voice 26: Dan Rogers, Keeps Island, Gambier Trust Area.

[4:10:35] Voice 26: Grant Scott, Hornby Island.

[4:10:39] Voice 26: Kate Louise Stamper, Gambier Island.

[4:10:45] Voice 26: Cameron Thorne, South Pender.

[4:10:48] Voice 26: Jane Woolverton, Galliano.

[4:10:51] Voice 26: evening and finally steve wright south pender all right so we have uh five delegations here

[4:11:04] Voice 26: this evening um salish sea institute raincoast conservation foundation michael sketch stephen

[4:11:10] Voice 26: mcclain and uh moving around pender and then we will go to the town hall um we allocate 10 minutes

[4:11:18] Voice 26: for each of the delegations to make a presentation and ideally um have opportunity for any

[4:11:25] Voice 26: questions that trustees may have. And so we're going to start off at 5.11, which is page 107

[4:11:31] Voice 26: on your agenda with the Salish Sea Institute. And I think it's Ginny Broadhurst is here today.

[4:11:38] Voice 26: Ginny, welcome. Thank you for joining us. I'll turn it over to you.

[4:11:42] Voice 33: Great. Well, thank you for having me. I'm Ginny Broadhurst. I'm director of the Salish Sea

[4:11:49] Voice 33: Institute at Western Washington University. I live and work in Bellingham, Washington,

[4:11:54] Voice 33: which is the ancestral homelands of the Nooksack Tribe

[4:11:57] Voice 33: and the Lummi Nation.

[4:11:59] Voice 33: And you are all hearing where you're coming from

[4:12:02] Voice 33: just makes me miss the Gulf Islands so much.

[4:12:06] Voice 33: It's been a long time since I've been able

[4:12:07] Voice 33: to cross the border and get up there.

[4:12:08] Voice 33: So nice to see you all.

[4:12:11] Voice 33: I have a short amount of time for this presentation,

[4:12:14] Voice 33: so I'm gonna blaze through.

[4:12:16] Voice 33: Next slide, please.

[4:12:21] Voice 33: The Salish Sea Institute at Western Washington University

[4:12:24] Voice 33: This university was created to improve our connection to place.

[4:12:28] Voice 33: We created a new Salish Sea Studies minor on campus for our students, and we're working to share that curriculum with other institutions in Washington and British Columbia. It's a multidisciplinary minor that's become quite popular.

[4:12:43] Voice 33: Next slide.

[4:12:43] Voice 33: We do a lot of work off campus. Many of you may know of us through our work as the administrative

[4:12:52] Voice 33: home of the Salish Sea Ecosystem Conference. But tonight I'm going to talk about the state

[4:12:58] Voice 33: of the Salish Sea Report, and I'm going to do just a little bit of background here. Some of you may

[4:13:04] Voice 33: know that in 1992, a formal agreement was signed between former Premier Mike Harcourt and former

[4:13:12] Voice 33: former Governor Booth Gardner, that created a whole lot of, a string of actions, I'll say.

[4:13:18] Voice 33: A lot of work happened as a result of that agreement, including what's pictured here,

[4:13:22] Voice 33: which is the 1994 Shared Waters Report. It was the first comprehensive report on our shared waters

[4:13:30] Voice 33: and what's now known as the Salish Sea Ecosystem. This report is still available online if you want

[4:13:37] Voice 33: want to take a look at it. But next slide. When I came to the Sailor Sea Institute, one of the

[4:13:45] Voice 33: tasks I realized that we should take on was to create an updated report on the state of the

[4:13:50] Voice 33: Sailor Sea. And we were fortunate to get some funding to be able to do this and hired lead

[4:13:55] Voice 33: writer Catherine Sobocinski to do the work. And we published it May of this year. So it's been 25

[4:14:04] Voice 33: five years since a report was done like this on the Salish Sea. It's a lot more comprehensive

[4:14:10] Voice 33: than the 1994 report and the situation hasn't exactly improved since then. Things have in fact

[4:14:18] Voice 33: gotten a lot more complicated. So in this presentation I don't have time to dig into

[4:14:25] Voice 33: many of the details of the report so please consider this presentation just kind of a teaser

[4:14:30] Voice 33: about the report, and if you care to do so, you can dig into it, and I'll share information about

[4:14:37] Voice 33: how to get it at the end of the show. Next slide, please. We've gotten a great response from the

[4:14:45] Voice 33: scientific community about the report. Here's a quote from Dr. Ron Thum. Thorough and credible,

[4:14:52] Voice 33: the state of the Salish Sea report is a long overdue evidence-based assessment of the condition

[4:14:57] Voice 33: of the Salish Sea ecosystem, perhaps the greatest accomplishment is that Dr. Sobosinski's team

[4:15:03] Voice 33: captured the awakening of scientists, managers, and citizens to the fact that the Georgia and

[4:15:09] Voice 33: Juan de Fuca Straits and Puget Sound comprise one integrated ecosystem. Next slide. And this

[4:15:19] Voice 33: satellite photo from NASA illustrates this point quite well to show the connectivity of these

[4:15:27] Voice 33: waters. Next slide. So this report includes a whole new series of maps of the Salish Sea ecosystem by

[4:15:39] Voice 33: Dr. Aquila Flower, also at Western Washington University. This one here is showing land cover.

[4:15:47] Voice 33: This may not seem like a big deal, but it really is a big deal to have these maps made. It's

[4:15:55] Voice 33: incredibly difficult to harmonize data from one side of the border to another.

[4:16:00] Voice 33: And this is Aquila's passion. She has quite a few maps in this report and is actually working on some additional ones, and I'm going to share some others with you in this presentation.

[4:16:13] Voice 33: Next one.

[4:16:15] Voice 33: So here's the table of contents for the report.

[4:16:18] Voice 33: support. It covers a lot of territory. It's 271 pages and it's fairly dense. It's written for a

[4:16:31] Voice 33: fairly scientific audience and it looks at the state of the Salish Sea through the lens of global

[4:16:38] Voice 33: climate change as well as localized urbanization and other human impacts. It is

[4:16:44] Voice 33: not a laundry list

[4:16:45] Voice 33: of everything that's wrong, it's really looking through those two lenses and then looking at the

[4:16:51] Voice 33: cumulative impacts of both. Provides some recommendations for where to go from here,

[4:16:58] Voice 33: mostly through the science, again looking through a science lens, and we end with a call to action

[4:17:05] Voice 33: that really asks some probing questions about how did we get here and why can't we seem to change

[4:17:14] Voice 33: change our behavior to change the course. Next slide. In short, the Salish Sea is under relentless

[4:17:24] Voice 33: stress from an accelerating convergence of global and local environmental stressors,

[4:17:30] Voice 33: some of which are well understood and many that remain unknown and are difficult to predict.

[4:17:36] Voice 33: Therein lies the core purpose of this report, assemble a compendium of information and lines

[4:17:41] Voice 33: of evidence that describe the dominant stressors and current state of the Salish Sea.

[4:17:46] Voice 33: So the report doesn't bring, it's not new information, it's a synthesis of existing science.

[4:17:53] Voice 33: Next slide.

[4:17:55] Voice 33: So the impacts of climate are no surprise to you all.

[4:17:59] Voice 33: We're getting accustomed to seeing these impacts locally.

[4:18:05] Voice 33: Incredibly large amounts of wildfire and what we all seem to be talking about is a new normal,

[4:18:14] Voice 33: which is an unfortunate place to be.

[4:18:19] Voice 33: As a global issue, it's harder to address climate,

[4:18:23] Voice 33: but nonetheless requires that we all do act

[4:18:26] Voice 33: in the ways that we can to minimize our impacts

[4:18:30] Voice 33: to climate change.

[4:18:32] Voice 33: Next slide.

[4:18:35] Voice 33: This quote from another scientist here

[4:18:38] Voice 33: who works out of Friday Harbor Labs

[4:18:41] Voice 33: really talks about the culmination

[4:18:43] Voice 33: of these two different stressors around climate.

[4:18:47] Voice 33: We're seeing this warming, we're documenting acidification in places, and then we've got

[4:18:54] Voice 33: this human population growth and the development that goes hand in hand with the burgeoning

[4:19:00] Voice 33: population. And it's, you know, we're not keeping pace. The two factors are acting synergistically,

[4:19:08] Voice 33: and that puts just a lot of stress on the ecosystem. Next slide. Here's another one of

[4:19:16] Voice 33: Aquila's maps. This one that shows the border there, people per square mile. So she harmonized

[4:19:25] Voice 33: the census information from our two countries. And no big surprise, we do our census process

[4:19:33] Voice 33: differently. So again, a real lot of work went into putting this data together to make sure they

[4:19:40] Voice 33: they match up. Of course, we have, as you all know, a lot more population down here. You guys seem to

[4:19:48] Voice 33: be doing a decent job catching up a bit and having some stressors associated with that population

[4:19:55] Voice 33: growth. Next. This is one just showing the rivers, obviously, but showing the discharge of the

[4:20:07] Voice 33: the rivers by the width of them, the lines there. And of course, the Fraser River being the dominant

[4:20:16] Voice 33: source of freshwater to the whole ecosystem. This has been kind of interesting for scientists in

[4:20:21] Voice 33: the Puget Sound to, as they're looking at the report, it's really opened their eyes to what a

[4:20:27] Voice 33: major influence the Fraser River is to the whole system and how much freshwater actually helps

[4:20:34] Voice 33: drive circulation. So nice to see that the science community is having a little greater appreciation

[4:20:41] Voice 33: for the Fraser River. Next. And here we attempt to show some cumulative effects in this somewhat

[4:20:51] Voice 33: cartoonish drawing. I'll say that it depicts more of an urban area than you all live in,

[4:20:58] Voice 33: but I think you'll appreciate the fact that it all adds up, and even in some of the most rural

[4:21:05] Voice 33: rural areas, we're seeing how impacts are adding to the detriment of the health of the

[4:21:13] Voice 33: Salish Sea.

[4:21:15] Voice 33: Next.

[4:21:18] Voice 33: And here, looking at the different jurisdictions for the whole international ecosystem is a

[4:21:24] Voice 33: good reminder that it's going to take all of us, through all the authorities that we

[4:21:29] Voice 33: we have working collectively and collaboratively to restore the health of the Salish Sea.

[4:21:39] Voice 33: It's interesting to show this to people who aren't familiar with the area and who are

[4:21:43] Voice 33: really often, most often looking at maps that just stop at the political boundary and don't

[4:21:50] Voice 33: see the connectivity.

[4:21:51] Voice 33: What this map to me really helps illustrate is, for example, where you are, you're closer to the communities in San Juan County than San Juan County is to most of the rest of the state of Washington waters here.

[4:22:10] Voice 33: So again, just a nice way to show connections.

[4:22:15] Voice 33: Next. This is taken from a study that was done in the Fraser River by Laura Kehoe et al.

[4:22:26] Voice 33: She's out of UVic. Really fascinating study.

[4:22:30] Voice 33: We had we included a whole lot of vignettes in this report that I would encourage you to look at.

[4:22:36] Voice 33: And so I can't do this whole report, this this paper justice.

[4:22:40] Voice 33: but what's interesting is how well they make the point

[4:22:43] Voice 33: of the cost of doing nothing.

[4:22:46] Voice 33: Oftentimes we get stuck on the cost of doing something

[4:22:49] Voice 33: and the price tag looks large

[4:22:51] Voice 33: and we often forget to consider

[4:22:54] Voice 33: these costs of doing nothing.

[4:22:56] Voice 33: So in this case, they looked at the costs associated

[4:22:58] Voice 33: with the restoration of the Fraser River Delta,

[4:23:01] Voice 33: a fascinating paper.

[4:23:04] Voice 33: Next.

[4:23:05] Voice 25: So, Gin

[4:23:06] Voice 33: Ginny, I

[4:23:07] Voice 25: regret to

[4:23:09] Voice 26: say that you're into overtime. If you could try to wrap up,

[4:23:15] Voice 26: I had to turn off the echo there. If you could try to

[4:23:18] Voice 26: wrap it up, that'd be great.

[4:23:19] Voice 33: Yep. Go to the last slide, please. There's one more. There you go. So our website has links to

[4:23:29] Voice 33: the ability to download the report for free. We're selling it as well in print,

[4:23:36] Voice 33: and we've got all the other work

[4:23:38] Voice 33: that we're doing on our website there

[4:23:40] Voice 33: and I will stop there.

[4:23:44] Voice 26: Thank you, Ginny.

[4:23:45] Voice 26: Sorry about that.

[4:23:47] Voice 26: I'll just ask our trustees

[4:23:49] Voice 26: if they have any questions for you

[4:23:50] Voice 26: and certainly thank you for the link

[4:23:53] Voice 26: to get the download of the report.

[4:23:57] Voice 26: Trustees, any digital hands?

[4:24:02] Voice 26: Oh,

[4:24:03] Voice 25: there we are.

[4:24:04] Voice 25: Trustee Langerhuis?

[4:24:07] Voice 25: Yeah, I just want

[4:24:10] Voice 46: to say thank you for your report. And I'm certainly interested in the idea of

[4:24:15] Voice 46: co-governance and whether that would even be possible between our two nations. That would

[4:24:21] Voice 46: be ideal in my mind, and that we could somehow coordinate our approach with your approach and

[4:24:27] Voice 46: get some consistency. Anyway.

[4:24:31] Voice 33: Yeah, yeah. And I appreciate the fact that you regularly are in

[4:24:35] Voice 33: in touch with the colleagues across the border

[4:24:37] Voice 33: in San Juan County.

[4:24:38] Voice 33: I saw that they're on the agenda,

[4:24:40] Voice 33: which is not unusual, I think.

[4:24:45] Voice 26: Thank you, Kayce, for the question,

[4:24:47] Voice 26: Ginny, for the answer.

[4:24:49] Voice 26: And don't believe, oh, Trustee McConkie,

[4:24:52] Voice 26: Ben McConkie,

[4:24:53] Voice 7: North Pendleton.

[4:24:54] Voice 7: Thank you very much for the presentation today, Ginny.

[4:24:56] Voice 7: I appreciate it.

[4:24:57] Voice 7: How would you assess the current situation

[4:24:59] Voice 7: with regards to intergovernmental collaboration

[4:25:03] Voice 7: to address the environmental concerns of the Salish Sea

[4:25:06] Voice 7: in as brief as you can, especially with the international relationship as well.

[4:25:11] Voice 33: Yeah, nice to see you, Ben. Well, starting with that agreement in 1994, there obviously was

[4:25:19] Voice 33: a lot going on, a lot of collaboration. And over the course of my career, I've seen that really

[4:25:25] Voice 33: diminish in terms of priority and work accomplished. And what's happening now is mostly

[4:25:30] Voice 33: information sharing across the border, but not a whole lot of collaborative effort. Scientists

[4:25:38] Voice 33: work together. They know each other, but always their budgets stop at the political boundary,

[4:25:43] Voice 33: and so it's hard to do these kinds of comprehensive work from a science perspective,

[4:25:47] Voice 33: and there's not too much in the formal arrangements right now. I could talk all day

[4:25:53] Voice 33: about it, but that's sort of the snapshot.

[4:25:57] Voice 25: Thank you. All

[4:26:00] Voice 26: right. Well, thank you, Ginny,

[4:26:02] Voice 26: for joining us and very much a big thanks for all of the work that you do for the CRC.

[4:26:10] Voice 26: Thank you

[4:26:11] Voice 33: and thanks for all the work that you're doing. Good night.

[4:26:17] Voice 26: Our next speaker at 5.12 page 128 of your agenda package is the Rain Coast Conservation Foundation

[4:26:25] Voice 26: and Shauna Dahl, you joined us today.

[4:26:29] Voice 26: Thank you for joining us again.

[4:26:30] Voice 26: And I'll turn it over to you.

[4:26:33] Voice 26: 10 minutes, if you don't mind,

[4:26:35] Voice 26: and try and leave some room for questions.

[4:26:39] Voice 44: I'm turning on my timer.

[4:26:42] Voice 44: Hello everybody, I'm Shauna Dahl.

[4:26:44] Voice 44: As Chair Lecombe said,

[4:26:46] Voice 44: I am a frequent delegate at these meetings,

[4:26:49] Voice 44: but for those who maybe aren't familiar with my work

[4:26:52] Voice 44: or with my organization,

[4:26:53] Voice 44: I'm the Gulf Islands Forest Project Coordinator

[4:26:55] Voice 44: with Ring Coast Conservation Foundation,

[4:26:57] Voice 44: which is a registered Canadian charitable nonprofit

[4:27:01] Voice 44: conservation science organization

[4:27:02] Voice 44: based in coastal British Columbia.

[4:27:05] Voice 44: However, tonight I'm calling in from Chibuktuk and Mi'kma'ki,

[4:27:09] Voice 44: the territory of the Lennu.

[4:27:11] Voice 44: And I just want to start this presentation by saying that

[4:27:14] Voice 44: I really appreciate the Trust Council's

[4:27:20] Voice 44: transition to online meetings throughout this pandemic.

[4:27:23] Voice 44: I think that this has become a really great forum

[4:27:25] Voice 44: for reaching across Allen's Trust area to folks who I might not otherwise have been able to

[4:27:30] Voice 44: connect with. So I think that this has become a really great platform, not only to share

[4:27:35] Voice 44: Raincoast's work with Trust Council, but also with residents across the Trust area. And I think that

[4:27:41] Voice 44: some of the content of this presentation today will reflect that I'm also trying to reach out

[4:27:44] Voice 44: to that audience as well as Trust Council. Next slide, please. So there are four points that I

[4:27:54] Voice 44: I want to cover tonight. The first is to talk briefly about the trust policy statement review

[4:27:59] Voice 44: process currently underway, then touching on ongoing advocacy to the province, going back

[4:28:04] Voice 44: about a year to a delegation I did in September 2020, then introducing a new report that was

[4:28:11] Voice 44: produced by Raincoast over the summer, and then touching briefly on some education opportunities

[4:28:15] Voice 44: that I think are valuable to share with those in the audience tonight. Next slide, please.

[4:28:20] Voice 44: So, just to set some context for some of my points on this slide. In August, the UN released its latest report by the international intergovernmental panel on climate change,

[4:28:38] Voice 44: which basically drew some really significant links between human actions and climate change, which is something we've already really known but just really strengthening that connection.

[4:28:48] Voice 44: direction. Their thesis for this part one of three of their report is human influence has

[4:28:55] Voice 44: warmed the climate at a rate that is unprecedented and at least the last 2,000 years climate change

[4:29:00] Voice 44: is already affecting every inhabited region across the globe with human influence contributing to

[4:29:04] Voice 44: many observed changes in weather and climate extremes and this essentially means we are

[4:29:09] Voice 44: responsible for climate-fueled extreme weather events trending stronger with shorter return

[4:29:14] Voice 44: turn periods so what does this mean and what are we going to do about it and at a local state scale

[4:29:19] Voice 44: i really feel that the trust policy statement review is a tremendous opportunity and a rare

[4:29:25] Voice 44: opportunity to build the framework needed to enact meaningful change on the landscape

[4:29:30] Voice 44: and as has been demonstrated by our publicly available correspondence with the trust on this

[4:29:36] Voice 44: topic raincoast hopes to see a final tps that is first and foremost scientifically informed

[4:29:42] Voice 44: which means it's informed by the best available evidence,

[4:29:47] Voice 44: including indigenous traditional knowledge.

[4:29:49] Voice 44: It also means applying precautionary approaches

[4:29:53] Voice 44: and considering cumulative impacts

[4:29:55] Voice 44: in all land use decisions

[4:29:57] Voice 44: and identifying monitoring and addressing the impact.

[4:30:00] Voice 44: impacts of climate change using innovative approaches like nature based solutions and adaptive management. It also means trust policy statement that is operational, meaning immediately actionable on the ground to prevent ongoing degradation of island ecosystems,

[4:30:14] Voice 44: and also something that is aspirational which means we need bold commitments to place priority on maintaining ecological integrity, retaining biodiversity, enhancing adaptive capacity and honoring indigenous cultural heritage.

[4:30:28] Voice 44: heritage. Many local scientists are reaching a consensus that the best way we can ensure

[4:30:34] Voice 44: healthy ecosystems remain on the Gulf Islands and in other places as well is to protect those

[4:30:41] Voice 44: that are already intact, particularly forests. With all the uncertainties that are surrounding

[4:30:47] Voice 44: climate change, there are no guarantees that forests cut today will regenerate the way that

[4:30:53] Voice 44: we have expected them to in the past. We are already seeing a lot of clear cuts that aren't

[4:30:59] Voice 44: regenerating the way that we would have expected them to. So the best thing that we can do is to

[4:31:04] Voice 44: protect the forests that are already standing. This is especially significant in the Gulf

[4:31:08] Voice 44: Islands where the carbon storage capacity is some of the best in the of any forest in the world and

[4:31:13] Voice 44: where the forest can often take up to 17 years to become a sink rather than a source after being cut.

[4:31:20] Voice 44: These forests, of course, are inherently valuable, but for all of their climate change mitigating services, it's especially important that we protect these forests so they can protect us.

[4:31:32] Voice 44: Next slide, please. In the interest of doing that, we need to get the province on board.

[4:31:40] Voice 44: The province needs to do better to allow the trust to do better and enhance the trust's jurisdictional capacity to pursue environmental protection.

[4:31:47] Voice 44: Like I said at the beginning of the presentation, I made a delegation to the Trust Council in September 2020, introducing a report that was put together by the Environmental Law Center at the University of Victoria, which outlined different recommendations for strengthening the island's trust, preserve and protect mandate.

[4:32:06] Voice 44: mandate of the 10 recommendations made for related to the province getting involved to

[4:32:13] Voice 44: enhance that jurisdictional capacity. Briefly, those four recommendations include amending

[4:32:19] Voice 44: Section 29 of the Islands Trust Act to give the trust the authority to establish development

[4:32:23] Voice 44: permit areas to protect forest ecosystems and regulate forest practices on private land.

[4:32:29] Voice 44: Recommendation two, enabling local governments, including the Islands Trust, to better enforce

[4:32:33] Voice 44: forest EPA's recommendation three is amending section eight of the community charter to allow

[4:32:38] Voice 44: the trust to enact tree protection bylaws and four amend the private managed forest lands act

[4:32:45] Voice 44: to allow the trust to regulate forestry practice measures on privately managed forest lands so I

[4:32:51] Voice 44: just wanted to bring this up again having been a year since we first presented this it's I think

[4:32:57] Voice 44: important to just bring this back into the discussion to ensure that it remains on the

[4:33:00] Voice 44: table and continues to be pursued and on the next slide if you'll advance it for me please

[4:33:09] Voice 44: you'll see that rain coast has been working on advancing some of these measures

[4:33:13] Voice 44: however we can and it's resulted in the release of this new report tree protection

[4:33:20] Voice 44: bylaws in british columbia we hired a first year law student to put together this report for us

[4:33:25] Voice 44: he performed a jurisdictional review of all of the different tree bylaws in British Columbia.

[4:33:35] Voice 44: He found that 58 of 162 municipalities and two of 27 regional districts currently have tree

[4:33:43] Voice 44: protection bylaws in place. We also found that the Islands Trust has the same jurisdiction as

[4:33:48] Voice 44: regional districts to implement tree protection bylaws and while those regional district tree

[4:33:54] Voice 44: protection bylaws are less comprehensive or and a little bit more limited than the municipal version

[4:34:00] Voice 44: it is still an effective tool for protecting trees on private land and it's important to mention here

[4:34:07] Voice 44: that tree protection bylaws and other policy measures mentioned in this presentation are not

[4:34:11] Voice 44: about prohibiting all tree cutting all the time in all places nor is it about trying to prohibit all

[4:34:19] Voice 44: forestry activities. It's also not to say that these policy measures commonly enacted in other

[4:34:26] Voice 44: jurisdictions are in any way meant to infringe on anyone's property rights. Rather, these are

[4:34:33] Voice 44: recommendations that are about informing more thoughtful land use within a region governed by

[4:34:39] Voice 44: a body legally mandated to protect the environment. Next slide, please.

[4:34:46] Voice 44: education and engagement. Basically, I would just like to invite folks to get in touch with me if

[4:34:52] Voice 44: they have any questions about anything that they've seen here. On the next slide, you'll see

[4:34:56] Voice 44: that I have my email address always provided at the end of these presentations in case people want

[4:35:01] Voice 44: to get in touch. I also encourage folks to subscribe to the Islands Trust mailing list. I

[4:35:05] Voice 44: just don't think that everyone always knows that that's an option, and I feel that people here

[4:35:09] Voice 44: tonight probably already know that's an option, but I always think it's a good thing to bring up.

[4:35:14] Voice 44: Raincoast also hosted a tree bylaws webinar back in July. It's available on our website if you want

[4:35:20] Voice 44: to learn more about that and the tree protection bylaws report as well as the ELC report are

[4:35:25] Voice 44: available on our website for review. I have here that the flycatcher forest information session

[4:35:32] Voice 44: was going to be hosted on September 24th on North Pender Island to let people know a little bit more

[4:35:36] Voice 44: about the conservation work that Raincoast is doing on the ground on North Pender, Sudeas.

[4:35:42] Voice 44: but it's been canceled and postponed due to some increasing COVID cases so we will let people know

[4:35:48] Voice 44: when that is going to be in the works again so I'll just wrap it up there for now and if anyone

[4:35:57] Voice 44: has any questions I welcome them thank you for your time thank

[4:36:02] Voice 26: you Shauna for keeping that on

[4:36:03] Voice 26: time appreciate that my trustees do you have any questions for Shauna Dahl Ben McConkie

[4:36:10] Voice 7: John, thank you so much for your presentation. I really appreciate you coming to speak to Trust

[4:36:13] Voice 7: Council. I'm wondering, you made a comment at the beginning, and if you could clarify for folks

[4:36:18] Voice 7: listening right now, you're suggesting the scientific data is suggesting that when we

[4:36:23] Voice 7: clear-cut land or we cut trees down, there's no evidence necessarily to prove, given climate

[4:36:27] Voice 7: change, that the trees will regenerate as they've been doing in the past. I'm wondering if you could

[4:36:32] Voice 7: speak to that science or if i'm incorrect uh in in that assessment yeah

[4:36:38] Voice 44: yeah so there are

[4:36:39] Voice 44: preliminary findings suggesting that forests in many ecosystems across canada are having trouble

[4:36:45] Voice 44: regenerating at the same speed or with the same uh species that you we might have expected in the

[4:36:51] Voice 44: past uh most right now it's really speculative and anecdotal evidence we don't have long enough

[4:36:57] Voice 44: enough data right now to say conclusively that this is always going to be the case everywhere

[4:37:02] Voice 44: But there is evidence that that is something that is happening and something that we need to watch out for.

[4:37:07] Voice 44: And based on some conversations I've been having with scientists in the region,

[4:37:11] Voice 44: there is reason to suspect that cutting down forests in the Gulf Islands might result in those forests not being able to regenerate in ways that we might have expected in the past.

[4:37:19] Voice 44: And those forests might look a lot different than they do today.

[4:37:23] Voice 44: day. And we're already seeing those stresses in certain species like Arbutus and Western

[4:37:28] Voice 44: Red Cedar, Grand Fir, and now Douglas Fir are also suffering from some blights that

[4:37:33] Voice 44: are taking hold due to drought. So there's a lot happening and I think a lot of scientists

[4:37:41] Voice 44: are saying that the best thing that we can do is hold on to the forest. We have all we

[4:37:44] Voice 44: have them.

[4:37:47] Voice 26: Thank you, Sean. Thank you for the question, Ben. Anybody else have a question for the

[4:37:51] Voice 26: the delegate. Okay. Not seeing any, I'm going to move along. Thank you again, Shauna, for

[4:38:00] Voice 26: presenting today. Our next speaker is Michael Sketch, and his piece is on page 136 of our

[4:38:09] Voice 26: agenda package. Good evening, Michael. Welcome. And I'll turn it over to you for your 10 minutes.

[4:38:20] Voice 26: Are you there, Michael? He is. He's coming.

[4:38:24] Voice 13: Can you hear me? Yes.

[4:38:25] Voice 13: Yes.

[4:38:27] Voice 13: Thank you for allowing me to speak,

[4:38:30] Voice 13: trust executive committee.

[4:38:32] Voice 13: Councillors, I speak to key.

[4:38:35] Voice 13: No, I'm sorry.

[4:38:37] Voice 13: There's something I've lost my presentation.

[4:38:45] Voice 26: No, we've got it up on our screen.

[4:38:47] Voice 26: Yes,

[4:38:48] Voice 13: no, on my own screen.

[4:38:49] Voice 13: I'm trying to read it.

[4:38:56] Voice 13: it's replaced by the zoom material just a sec okay counselors i speak to key deficiencies in your

[4:39:06] Voice 13: current draft trust policy statement bylaw which is given by staff as version two updated 15th of

[4:39:15] Voice 13: july 2021 there is remedy in the appendix with a fresh rewrite which corrects the structure

[4:39:23] Voice 13: and improves the preserve and protect content i'll refer to council's trust policy statement bylaw

[4:39:30] Voice 13: as a tps bylaw the rewrite tps follows directly from section 15 of the act and does not presume

[4:39:40] Voice 13: flexibility of policy implementation, for there is no such flexibility given or implied in the Act.

[4:39:48] Voice 13: But current and staff draft TPS bylaws delegate implementation from Federal

[4:39:56] Voice 13: to local trust governance levels. They both rely on a flexible implementation policy 1.3.1

[4:40:06] Voice 13: That's in the trust policy manual, which has been in effect for decades.

[4:40:11] Voice 13: Worse, policy 1.3.1 wasn't disclosed in the bylaw now being amended and hasn't been subject

[4:40:19] Voice 13: to ministerial review.

[4:40:22] Voice 13: Today, the staff draft TPS not only discloses implementation policy 1.3.1, but acknowledges

[4:40:32] Voice 13: that that policy isn't subject to ministerial review.

[4:40:37] Voice 13: But that doesn't correct the fault of not including implementation within the bylaw.

[4:40:44] Voice 13: Canada is also a federation.

[4:40:47] Voice 13: Is there policy to enable the provinces to pick and choose compliance with select federal law?

[4:40:53] Voice 13: Of course not.

[4:40:55] Voice 13: In the rewrite TPS in this appendix, policy implementation is entirely within the bylaw.

[4:41:03] Voice 13: Section 1 policies are binding for the entire trust area.

[4:41:06] Voice 13: A local trust area can petition Council to be excused from one or more Section 2 policies.

[4:41:15] Voice 13: If Council adopts the rewrite or a functional equivalent, trust area policies would be effectively

[4:41:23] Voice 13: implemented in the day-to-day business of each local trust area, and TPS implementation

[4:41:30] Voice 13: policy 1.3.1 would be redundant.

[4:41:34] Voice 13: The rewrite TPS gives policy instruction to implement a hierarchical two-level federal governance structure as per the Act, so as to give effective trust area services oversight for local area staff services.

[4:41:59] Voice 13: The check and balance benefit of federal governance would be realized at last.

[4:42:04] Voice 13: The schedule gives implementation detail, which in part specifies a trust area regulatory

[4:42:12] Voice 13: bylaw for select policies as determined by Council.

[4:42:16] Voice 13: The need for trust area regulation may be more clear once the current trust area services

[4:42:21] Voice 13: federal governance level is enhanced to give science-based oversight for the local trust

[4:42:28] Voice 13: area staff services.

[4:42:30] Voice 13: Duties of care and to consult are stipulated. Trust body meeting minutes are published and

[4:42:37] Voice 13: are to be consistent with Robert's rules of order. Meeting minutes shouldn't be bare bones and edited.

[4:42:44] Voice 13: They should be a record of what was said as well as what was done. The public deserves to know.

[4:42:50] Voice 13: You may ask why these elements aren't in the structure and content of the staff draft TPS

[4:42:56] Voice 13: In part, I think the answer is that when amendment to your policy statement was mooted, no one asked the foundation question.

[4:43:05] Voice 13: Does the current TPS bylaw follow directly from Section 15 of the Act?

[4:43:12] Voice 13: In and of itself, does the current TPS bylaw carry out, that is, implement the object of the trust?

[4:43:18] Voice 13: Had counsel deliberated, a quorum should have directed a TPS rewrite, not an amendment.

[4:43:26] Voice 13: As has happened, the staff TPS draft is an amendment to content of the current bylaw not a rewrite.

[4:43:33] Voice 13: Some say the current TPS has stood the test of decades without significant question.

[4:43:39] Voice 13: But at the least, implementation of trust area policies should have been questioned, should have been corrected.

[4:43:46] Voice 13: There have been too many examples where the public has seen development recommended or a bylaw adopted, despite contrary trust area policy.

[4:43:55] Voice 13: Coupled with TPS implementation policy 1.3.1, the policy statement checklist doesn't survive

[4:44:03] Voice 13: scrutiny. Policy statement structure hasn't changed for decades. There is an obvious rationale

[4:44:10] Voice 13: for rewrite. Equally there is rationale to rewrite the content. The staff draft TPS is rich with

[4:44:18] Voice 13: history, trust goals, good intentions, and opportunity for advocacy. The 18 months and

[4:44:24] Voice 13: more of staff investment deserves a home particularly in the face of public reservations

[4:44:29] Voice 13: about content and the perception of an unwarranted rush to first reading staff and the council chair

[4:44:36] Voice 13: have recommended the tps be read cover to cover the advice is appropriate for an ongoing i'll

[4:44:43] Voice 13: call it a trust area workbook published and maintained on the trust website the public

[4:44:49] Voice 13: could follow preserve and protect initiatives as they evolve the next tps amendment would be

[4:44:55] Voice 13: forecast but a trust area workbook should not be conflated with the council tps bylaw this

[4:45:04] Voice 13: rewrite content in the appendix begins with new section 1 policies which taken together

[4:45:10] Voice 13: give credibility to the trust area intention to preserve and protect in particular there is

[4:45:16] Voice 13: policy clarity for the word environment the climate crisis is manifest and trust policies

[4:45:22] Voice 13: should look forward to the time when elements of the natural environment must be given rights

[4:45:28] Voice 13: to continue without anthropogenic harm a cornerstone of preserve and protect for future

[4:45:34] Voice 13: residents of the trust area witness a canadian first this year where a quebec river now has

[4:45:41] Voice 13: rights as would a person to respond to an existential threat. Section 2 policies in this TPS

[4:45:49] Voice 13: rewrite are grouped by topic as are directive policies in the current bylaw. Note that although

[4:45:56] Voice 13: TPS amendment was to have addressed the climate change crisis, there are no directive policies

[4:46:02] Voice 13: in the staff draft TPS. There are in the rewrite. Section 3 lists the unique amenities to be

[4:46:11] Voice 13: preserved and protected that have been identified by council in interagency agreements council

[4:46:17] Voice 13: resolution or other please counselors consider the the tps rewrite in the appendix carefully

[4:46:26] Voice 13: and cooperate in speaking out please keep an open mind and suggest improvements

[4:46:34] Voice 13: the rewrite differs significantly from both current tps bylaw 17 and staff draft version 2.

[4:46:42] Voice 13: The difference will enable Council to realize the potential of the Act.

[4:46:47] Voice 13: The trust area environment will be grateful, and Canada's protected areas will benefit

[4:46:54] Voice 13: from your example.

[4:46:55] Voice 13: Thank you.

[4:46:58] Voice 26: Thank you, Michael.

[4:47:00] Voice 26: Are there any questions for the Delegate?

[4:47:07] Voice 26: Okay, so thank you very much, Michael, for your presentation and report and the proposed

[4:47:12] Voice 26: rewrite of the policy statement.

[4:47:15] Voice 26: We will continue now with the Stephen McLean. His submission is on page 156 of the agenda.

[4:47:24] Voice 26: And welcome to Council, Mr. McLean, and you have 10 minutes also.

[4:47:34] Voice 28: Are you there? He is that he's just not moving over.

[4:47:44] Voice 28: Okay.

[4:47:57] Voice 24: Hello.

[4:47:58] Voice 24: Hello.

[4:48:01] Voice 24: Hostess asked you to start your video.

[4:48:02] Voice 24: Okay.

[4:48:03] Voice 24: Okay.

[4:48:04] Voice 24: Yeah.

[4:48:04] Voice 24: There we go.

[4:48:05] Voice 24: How's that?

[4:48:06] Voice 24: Excellent.

[4:48:06] Voice 26: Thank you.

[4:48:07] Voice 24: You can hear me now and see me.

[4:48:09] Voice 24: I can.

[4:48:09] Voice 26: Welcome to council.

[4:48:10] Voice 24: Yeah.

[4:48:11] Voice 24: Yeah.

[4:48:11] Voice 24: Thank you.

[4:48:12] Voice 24: Okay.

[4:48:12] Voice 24: So, yeah.

[4:48:14] Voice 24: And I'm speaking from unceded Tsunamics territory.

[4:48:20] Voice 24: They just had a letter of agreement that I think they're hopefully happy about, but it's

[4:48:26] Voice 24: still unseated. So, well, okay, I'm just going to look at what I have in front of me here. And so

[4:48:35] Voice 24: I'm sorry if I'm not going to face the screen directly while I'm speaking. There we go. So

[4:48:41] Voice 24: it seems like there's some conflicting information. And I've been following this since like

[4:48:48] Voice 24: late June, early July. You know, I was laid up from surgery, so I didn't have anything better

[4:48:55] Voice 24: to do it, but I kind of got very interested in this as a result. And what I found is that there's

[4:49:01] Voice 24: some conflicting information around the trust policy statement revision. And I thought, well,

[4:49:07] Voice 24: that's kind of weird, right? So I went to the Q&A with one of my trustees a few weeks ago,

[4:49:13] Voice 24: and this was at the Sustainable Gabriola meeting. And if I understood my trustee correctly,

[4:49:19] Voice 24: correctly um there's he was it seemed to be saying there's no requirement for the local trust council

[4:49:26] Voice 24: to implement policy statement directives into the island's official community plan so he's saying

[4:49:32] Voice 24: like the policy statement doesn't really matter like you know because no because you don't have

[4:49:37] Voice 24: to do it right um unless you're it just sort of like allows you to or something or allows your

[4:49:42] Voice 24: trustees to um but but um like i watched the video of when the uh the folks presented um our

[4:49:48] Voice 24: petition to the uh chief administrative officer and uh and he stated that the trustees would need

[4:49:54] Voice 24: to rewrite the official community plans um in response um to the policy statement revisions

[4:50:02] Voice 24: um so i'm wondering like what what is the actual requirement right like like where is the language

[4:50:10] Voice 24: that legislates this and um like is there currently an intention to change or advocate for

[4:50:16] Voice 24: changing this requirement? Do you guys want to answer this now before I continue, or do you want

[4:50:21] Voice 24: to answer everything at the end?

[4:50:26] Voice 26: Well, sir, I thank you. I must say that it would be difficult

[4:50:31] Voice 26: for us to answer many questions. It would be better for us to be able to respond to you in

[4:50:38] Voice 26: writing with understanding what the questions are, but certainly there is the aspiration or

[4:50:47] Voice 26: intention that LTCs would ultimately change their OCPs according to align with the policy

[4:50:57] Voice 26: statement. That is the intent of the document. So there may be different interpretations on

[4:51:02] Voice 26: how and when that might happen, but certainly there would be some expected accommodation

[4:51:08] Voice 26: is all that I can answer at the moment.

[4:51:10] Voice 24: Okay. So thank you. So it sounds like the

[4:51:12] Voice 24: like the um the um chief administrative officer was speaking accurately and consistently with

[4:51:20] Voice 24: what you're saying but i don't know so it's i'm just confused about hearing some other

[4:51:25] Voice 24: things from other you know from from one of my trustees and maybe some others as well

[4:51:29] Voice 24: but it but probably they figured it out by now and so because you've explained it and so and so

[4:51:36] Voice 24: so the policy statement does matter it's kind of like a big deal because everybody has to actually

[4:51:40] Voice 24: like implement this on their islands afterwards right um so uh there also seems to be like some

[4:51:45] Voice 24: contradictions in the details of what is written um and and um and some of the verbal messages that

[4:51:51] Voice 24: i i've been hearing as well um so one exam and sometimes this is during meetings i don't want

[4:51:57] Voice 24: to single anybody out right so it's not like necessarily my trustee or anything um one example

[4:52:02] Voice 24: is tree cutting like the policy statements that the islands trust um shall advocate for the

[4:52:06] Voice 24: authority to regulate all tree cutting that's what it says like in your proposed revision right

[4:52:11] Voice 24: um but like multiple trustees have stated uh i think mostly during meetings if not entirely um

[4:52:17] Voice 24: so it's all recorded uh that the intention is to regulate clear cutting only to regulate like

[4:52:23] Voice 24: forests but not trees and so i like i'm wondering like what does the policy statement revision

[4:52:29] Voice 24: revision uh like why does the policy statement revision ask for more authority than the trustees

[4:52:36] Voice 24: seem to feel is actually needed like is this like a negotiation strategy like ask for like

[4:52:42] Voice 24: like a lot and then you know see what we get like because like if you know like if you're yeah you're

[4:52:48] Voice 24: dealing with your employers the general public like like i think it would be good to be like

[4:52:53] Voice 24: up front with us right and like like what uh like what authority do you actually want um like because

[4:53:01] Voice 24: to say all tree cutting sounds kind of like draconian right so so maybe maybe like that can

[4:53:08] Voice 24: be clarified i don't know um so uh

[4:53:11] Voice 26: sir i might suggest that all of these documents are in draft

[4:53:16] Voice 26: and right um i don't know if you had an opportunity to participate in the tree cutting

[4:53:20] Voice 26: session to listen in on the tree cutting session today but it's a moving target the conversation

[4:53:25] Voice 26: is evolving and the draft policy statement makes some suggestions of what may come to pass

[4:53:32] Voice 26: but at this present time that is uh the tree cutting aspect of that is a work in progress

[4:53:38] Voice 26: and uh we there's a number of conversations to be had with the ministry and with council

[4:53:43] Voice 26: with respect to how that might look okay

[4:53:47] Voice 24: yeah thanks i mean because uh yeah and i'll just

[4:53:49] Voice 24: continue here just it seems like it's like you know like like an excessive expansion of bureaucracy

[4:53:54] Voice 24: to regulate more than that is that's actually perceived to be necessary like in like in urban

[4:54:00] Voice 24: areas like people are citing like tree regulations in other areas but usually in an urban area it's

[4:54:05] Voice 24: like like oh like do we need to like close the road for safety you know like because you know

[4:54:09] Voice 24: so we need to know you're going to take that tree down so we can close the road right but like

[4:54:16] Voice 24: you know it's not necessarily like for the same reasons um you know like somebody like you know

[4:54:22] Voice 24: like thinning stuff on the back of their acreage um so like there also seems to be some vague

[4:54:27] Voice 24: directives which could be like which could be and like open-ended stuff can like really be used it's

[4:54:32] Voice 24: like it's like carte blanche right like it could be used for like anything so like like um you know

[4:54:37] Voice 24: exploited for unintended uses you know your intentions are good i'm sure but like one

[4:54:43] Voice 24: example is to give missions um for housing and like like what's the intention like like just

[4:54:47] Voice 24: like emissions controls for new housing or missions regulations for new housing or is this

[4:54:53] Voice 24: like if like are you gonna like try this is this is going to apply to like existing housing like

[4:54:58] Voice 24: you know like stuff gets i think common law would be it would get grandfathered in

[4:55:01] Voice 24: right so like so

[4:55:03] Voice 24: So what exactly is the like the scope of emissions control for housing that that's yeah I don't know if you can answer that that I'm just pointing out that something that's very open ended maybe at the end somebody wants to address that that would be good.

[4:55:21] Voice 24: but um so uh so if and i would say that like a policy is going to be like the precautionary

[4:55:27] Voice 24: principle is brought up over and over right and like like like i think we all care about the

[4:55:32] Voice 24: environment like and we all understand global warming like the ice caps are melting right and

[4:55:36] Voice 24: stuff like like but like what what's a reasonable approach to actually like making a difference like

[4:55:43] Voice 24: you know like consuming less and things like that right so if we're going to use the precautionary

[4:55:47] Voice 24: every principle like just like we think that we should do this just in you know because we

[4:55:52] Voice 24: probably should but we're not 100 sure then then why don't we why don't why doesn't the islands

[4:55:58] Voice 24: trust focus on industry right like like okay like industrial operations right but like but to

[4:56:06] Voice 24: regulate it seems like like when you're trying to like regulate individual individual homeowners

[4:56:11] Voice 24: it's like you're it's like it's almost like we're being like pushed off the land like like you can't

[4:56:16] Voice 24: like you don't have autonomy anymore it's like we're going to make it into a park it's i'm not

[4:56:20] Voice 24: saying that's your intention but it's just how it seems right um right so yeah and yeah if you put

[4:56:28] Voice 24: the if you put the burden on the residents and homeowners it's like all this bureaucracy all

[4:56:32] Voice 24: this paperwork just so what to like cut down one tree right like like it's it seems a little bit

[4:56:36] Voice 24: crazy um and and onerous and and expensive we need to get like an assessment now

[4:56:42] Voice 24: like right

[4:56:43] Voice 24: it can

[4:56:43] Voice 18: i have a point of order point of order yep oh

[4:56:47] Voice 7: sure okay so uh what is the point of order

[4:56:51] Voice 7: um go ahead trustee morrison so

[4:56:55] Voice 18: the point of order is um the statement of things as if they

[4:57:00] Voice 18: are done and then discussion of them when we've already stated that these are draft entities we're

[4:57:06] Voice 18: going down a tunnel of the the fear worry about single trees which is not something that has been

[4:57:13] Voice 18: decided on thank

[4:57:15] Voice 26: you very much trustee morrison i agree with you and i will ask the speaker to

[4:57:20] Voice 26: change his language accordingly because indeed these are draft documents it's a work in progress

[4:57:26] Voice 26: none of the uh assertions that you're making about um activities that may or may not happen

[4:57:34] Voice 26: are uh at all uh correct at this time so if you don't mind continuing but your time is running out

[4:57:40] Voice 26: right okay

[4:57:41] Voice 24: uh yeah yeah it's okay um

[4:57:46] Voice 24: uh i mean the draft has already gone out to like multiple levels of government so

[4:57:52] Voice 24: i understand it's a draft um but i think it's also like it's it seems to be presented um to

[4:57:58] Voice 24: the public it has been and to ministries right so i i do think that it's relevant but i'll i'll

[4:58:04] Voice 24: i'll leave it at that um and sure

[4:58:07] Voice 26: but sir i'm gonna correct you again if you don't mind

[4:58:09] Voice 26: that the reason we send it out as a referral to other agencies is to hear back from those other

[4:58:15] Voice 26: agencies and consider what they say in order to further inform future drafts of the document

[4:58:23] Voice 26: sure

[4:58:24] Voice 24: so so i guess like the last thing i'm wondering is like like at the meeting when

[4:58:29] Voice 24: when you guys voted to delay um why uh there were there were amendments that were that were

[4:58:35] Voice 24: going to be brought forward and the and these amendments never got heard they were they i

[4:58:40] Voice 24: remember and it's been brought up a few times like there were there's trustees that have

[4:58:44] Voice 24: motions to make amendments and so now

[4:58:47] Voice 24: like we're looking

[4:58:48] Voice 26: sir i understand sir i'm sorry but i

[4:58:51] Voice 26: understand your question and you you have run out of time but i'll answer your question then

[4:58:57] Voice 26: some questions from others um but those amendments are still forthcoming the once we get the

[4:59:04] Voice 26: referrals back there will be there's no doubt there'll be potentially more amendments because

[4:59:09] Voice 37: indeed

[4:59:09] Voice 26: trustees do have intentions to propose amendments to the document as it's going forward

[4:59:16] Voice 26: that's why this first reading second reading third reading is to provide opportunities for

[4:59:21] Voice 26: the document to be uh refined um as it goes or or not um and so um i think that's all i'll say on

[4:59:31] Voice 26: that but um keep in mind this is not a done deal or anything any way shape or form it's going

[4:59:38] Voice 26: through a formal legislative process so i've had a couple of speak people that wish to speak and deb

[4:59:44] Voice 26: morrison i recognize you uh do you have a question for the delegate um

[4:59:49] Voice 18: i don't have a question but i

[4:59:51] Voice 18: do just have a quick comment as the chair of trust that's okay go

[4:59:56] Voice 26: ahead um

[4:59:58] Voice 18: so as the chair of trust

[4:59:59] Voice 18: test programs.

[5:00:00] Voice 18: committee, I do want to stress that the version that came forward in July 8th was for consideration

[5:00:07] Voice 18: and conversation as part of the trust council. I had no necessary intention that it would be

[5:00:15] Voice 18: read into first reading without some conversation and review. And what happened is the idea that

[5:00:24] Voice 18: people wanted more comment in this draft phase. So that's what we're doing. We're engaging in

[5:00:30] Voice 18: community conversation in a draft phase and we're making that adjustment and collecting all of the

[5:00:36] Voice 18: amendments to compile them together so that we're not having creation of the trust policy statement

[5:00:43] Voice 18: by 40,000 people in the trust area in a way that's like line editing things. We're pulling

[5:00:51] Voice 18: pulling together all the feedback, and then producing a new version at once. And then

[5:00:56] Voice 18: trustees will again have multiple chances. So I think, you know, what, what this delegation

[5:01:02] Voice 18: helps us all understand is the need for extremely clear communication, and trustees to be able to

[5:01:09] Voice 18: have clear notes. So people are speaking about process in similar ways and speaking about

[5:01:16] Voice 1: about

[5:01:16] Voice 18: what has been done to date in similar ways.

[5:01:19] Voice 18: We really need to stop conversations

[5:01:21] Voice 18: that say this is how it is,

[5:01:24] Voice 18: but instead have conversations

[5:01:26] Voice 18: about what would you like it to be.

[5:01:29] Voice 26: Thank you very much,

[5:01:30] Voice 26: Chair of Trust Programs Committee Morrison.

[5:01:34] Voice 26: Trustee Ben McConkey is a Pender Island also,

[5:01:36] Voice 26: and then Trustee Langer.

[5:01:38] Voice 7: Really quick clarification.

[5:01:40] Voice 7: This is a chance, there's lots of people listening in

[5:01:41] Voice 7: on how Islands Trust works right now.

[5:01:44] Voice 7: And this is the first time I've heard a delegation

[5:01:46] Voice 7: Ask Trust Council questions.

[5:01:48] Voice 7: I'm just wondering, Chair Locke,

[5:01:49] Voice 7: if you could just briefly explain the difference

[5:01:50] Voice 7: for folks listening at home

[5:01:52] Voice 7: who want to participate in Islands Trust.

[5:01:53] Voice 7: What's the difference between a delegation and town hall?

[5:01:57] Voice 7: Because this felt more like a town hall discussion.

[5:02:00] Voice 7: I'm wondering if you could provide that clarity

[5:02:01] Voice 7: for folks listening at home, just briefly.

[5:02:03] Voice 7: I know it could be a longer conversation.

[5:02:07] Voice 24: If I can, can I speak to that?

[5:02:12] Voice 26: Well, sure.

[5:02:12] Voice 26: I think the answer would be no there

[5:02:16] Voice 26: because the question is to the chair and I'm going to answer that accordingly.

[5:02:26] Voice 26: You know that's a good question Ben. A delegation is an individual or an organization that wishes

[5:02:34] Voice 26: to bring a message to council of some kind and secure a time spot on the agenda to make that

[5:02:43] Voice 26: that presentation about a point of view

[5:02:46] Voice 26: or an interest that they might have.

[5:02:49] Voice 26: Town hall is in many respects, not terribly different.

[5:02:53] Voice 26: It's typically a shorter period of time,

[5:02:59] Voice 26: does not require advanced notice.

[5:03:03] Voice 26: The information is not included in the council package

[5:03:06] Voice 26: as it is with the delegation,

[5:03:08] Voice 26: so that trustees have the ability

[5:03:10] Voice 26: to read the materials in advance.

[5:03:12] Voice 26: and certainly it's an opportunity again for town hall individuals to state a point of view

[5:03:19] Voice 26: and in some situations ask for clarity on topics that may be of interest. So questions are not

[5:03:29] Voice 26: terribly unusual. It is, as you have probably seen now, it's difficult for us to be on the spot to

[5:03:38] Voice 26: to answer all questions in a reasonable way.

[5:03:40] Voice 26: And certainly correspondence is a much more satisfactory way

[5:03:44] Voice 26: for us to address questions in a much more informed way

[5:03:47] Voice 26: rather than speaking off the cuff.

[5:03:50] Voice 24: Can I say something about that?

[5:03:54] Voice 24: I don't know if you can see me and hear me.

[5:03:56] Voice 26: I can hear you, but sir,

[5:03:58] Voice 26: I think that you've made your delegation.

[5:04:01] Voice 26: Oh, well, but I'd like,

[5:04:02] Voice 24: could I just respond to what you said, sir?

[5:04:04] Voice 24: Because I just want to add that I have addressed

[5:04:07] Voice 24: addressed all of these questions by email to the trust and generally didn't get a reply it

[5:04:12] Voice 24: definitely didn't get an answer to any of the questions um yeah yeah and you know and my

[5:04:16] Voice 24: delegation was but you know was submitted and accepted thank you thank you sir yeah

[5:04:22] Voice 26: trustee

[5:04:23] Voice 26: langrise you have a question for the delegate and that is the more appropriate uh method of

[5:04:30] Voice 26: communication at this time specific question for the delegate on his delegation and so go ahead

[5:04:35] Voice 26: Well,

[5:04:36] Voice 46: I don't have an actual question. I wanted to provide a point of clarification,

[5:04:40] Voice 46: but I can do that directly with the individual regarding my

[5:04:44] Voice 46: statement. Okay?

[5:04:46] Voice 46: That would be

[5:04:46] Voice 26: terrific. Thank you.

[5:04:47] Voice 26: Trustee Bichet, do you have a question for the delegate?

[5:04:54] Voice 42: Sorry. I don't have a question. I just have a quick point of information for the

[5:04:59] Voice 42: delegate and anyone that's listening, which is that later in the meeting,

[5:05:04] Voice 42: uh i think it's tomorrow we are considering actually a plan to have a you know well uh

[5:05:14] Voice 42: structured uh public consultation process that would include things like you know webinars where

[5:05:23] Voice 42: you can get some answers to these questions and q a's and and faqs where you can actually get this

[5:05:29] Voice 42: explained to you and that will roll out over several months because there's 35,000 of you

[5:05:34] Voice 42: and we need a way to hear from all of you. So I hear all these questions and thoughts and it's

[5:05:40] Voice 42: great, but I think it's a bit of a patience game at this point. And we're not going to rush into

[5:05:47] Voice 42: decisions without going through a process and there will be a structured, well thought out

[5:05:51] Voice 42: process okay

[5:05:52] Voice 26: just in a second thank you so indeed just for clarity um we are uh looking at enhancing

[5:06:00] Voice 26: an engagement plan that we've had in place um since the beginning of this project and that

[5:06:05] Voice 26: will be presented tomorrow and for endorsement of council so let us move on on our um speakers list

[5:06:12] Voice 26: at this time thank you sir for coming today i'm going to go to the next speaker now which is uh

[5:06:20] Voice 26: I think it's

[5:06:21] Voice 25: Nils

[5:06:23] Voice 26: Parker of moving around Pender

[5:06:26] Voice 26: and that delegates presentation is on page 157

[5:06:30] Voice 26: of your package.

[5:06:32] Voice 26: And Nils or Niles is.

[5:06:35] Voice 27: Chair Luckom,

[5:06:35] Voice 27: we're just having a bit

[5:06:36] Voice 27: of technical difficulty moving him over

[5:06:39] Voice 27: from the attendees section.

[5:06:40] Voice 26: Oh, I see, okay.

[5:06:41] Voice 26: Well, let's just give you a moment.

[5:06:44] Voice 26: Otherwise we may need to move along.

[5:06:48] Voice 7: It's Niall Parker.

[5:06:50] Voice 26: Oh, thank you very much.

[5:06:54] Voice 26: And he's our last delegate.

[5:06:58] Voice 26: And we can come back to Niall's after town hall if you're still having difficulty.

[5:07:06] Voice 27: Okay. Mark's asked if we can move on. He's working on it. Apologies to

[5:07:11] Voice 27: it so

[5:07:12] Voice 26: council apologies uh here we're having difficulty for some reason moving niles parker

[5:07:18] Voice 26: over to the participants list so and our it staff are working with him to achieve that but in the

[5:07:26] Voice 26: in the meantime i think i would like to go to town hall in order to keep us moving along and i'm just

[5:07:33] Voice 26: going to go to my attendees list now and look at that list of attendees and look to see for those

[5:07:41] Voice 26: that wish to address council um today to raise their digital hand which is if you're on the

[5:07:47] Voice 26: zoom session there's a raised hand at the bottom uh on the right hand side if you're on your phone

[5:07:53] Voice 26: i believe it's star six to get uh your hand raised and we can acknowledge you and move

[5:08:01] Voice 26: you over to a participant to hear you speak um so the town hall tonight um you know we have

[5:08:09] Voice 26: some variation in how long uh we uh give to town hall um uh people and um that there's one

[5:08:19] Voice 26: individual that has asked for um a bit of an extended period of time because we usually base

[5:08:25] Voice 26: it upon the number of people who wish to speak i'm not seeing any hands at the moment but there's a

[5:08:29] Voice 26: uh maya reed uh or salt spring or sorry saturn island um

[5:08:35] Voice 26: um such as

[5:08:37] Voice 26: ratepayers and residents association has asked specifically for five minutes and i'm

[5:08:43] Voice 26: prepared to offer that um within our our policy um so i'm looking for speakers on the attendees

[5:08:49] Voice 26: list those that have raised their hands and particularly maya reed i see you down there

[5:08:54] Voice 26: maya reed boland um is there others that wish to speak okay are

[5:09:02] Voice 27: we having some challenges

[5:09:03] Voice 26: you set the

[5:09:04] Voice 26: technology? Yeah, the raise hand function should be working now. So

[5:09:07] Voice 26: okay, so I see Mr. Parker's hand is up there now in the attendees list. So I'm inclined to go to

[5:09:17] Voice 26: Mr. Parker, to give him his 10 minute delegation. And then we'll go to the others that wish to speak

[5:09:25] Voice 26: to us today. And I noticed that Maya Reid will be next. So Mr. Parker, over to you.

[5:09:31] Voice 47: okay have you got audio for me today we

[5:09:34] Voice 26: do okay

[5:09:36] Voice 47: great and you've got the presentation up i don't

[5:09:40] Voice 47: see it on this side but i

[5:09:41] Voice 47: can see we're

[5:09:45] Voice 25: just bringing it up we're just bringing it up great

[5:09:48] Voice 47: thanks okay

[5:09:53] Voice 26: we had some interesting challenges after a council meeting with the three breakout

[5:09:59] Voice 26: rooms um with the whole zoom platform so we're struggling a little tiny bit but we got your

[5:10:06] Voice 26: presentation up now uh road row rationalization for gulf islands and other rural areas so please

[5:10:12] Voice 26: um the floor is yours sir okay

[5:10:14] Voice 47: thank you for that so this is the road right-of-way uh rationalization

[5:10:19] Voice 47: idea that uh i've circulated previously in a smaller sort of thing and somebody pointed out

[5:10:25] Voice 47: that uh there's other people with similar problems and uh throughout the islands trust area and all

[5:10:32] Voice 47: throughout bc or probably other parts of the world even so uh next slide please so just a quick intro

[5:10:42] Voice 47: uh i'm the current chair for moving around pender uh called full name for moving around pender

[5:10:48] Voice 47: alternative transportation society and uh we're all about getting people out of cars really that's

[5:10:54] Voice 47: what it comes down to you know green transfer tracing option options um we've other things

[5:11:00] Voice 47: like the car stops we've done bike workshops we had a community bus pilot running um and we have

[5:11:06] Voice 47: got a few trails working at this point uh trying to connect uh nodes within uh on pender island

[5:11:13] Voice 47: and uh give people options for a healthier way to get around without getting in a car healthy

[5:11:20] Voice 47: healthier for the individual healthier for the um for the planet itself and we've worked with

[5:11:27] Voice 47: you know, individuals, private land owners, local groups, and other authorities, Ministry of

[5:11:32] Voice 47: Transportation Infrastructure, that's MODI, the Islands Trust, of course, Parks Canada, we have

[5:11:38] Voice 47: there's significant Parks Canada parcels here on Pender. Next slide. So this is mainly going to be

[5:11:47] Voice 47: about trails and how can we put in trails where there aren't already trails. One of the biggest

[5:11:53] Voice 47: sort of thing we come down to is public versus private land and ideally when we're putting public

[5:11:59] Voice 47: money into building a trail whether it's from donations from the from the community or grants

[5:12:07] Voice 47: that we get from other levels of government it's nice to have the long-term security that we're

[5:12:14] Voice 47: putting this on public land at that point when it's on public land there's liability insurances

[5:12:20] Voice 47: is available at that's held um by these public entities by these levels of government um there's

[5:12:28] Voice 47: processes in place for maintenance and access and so moving on to places they're ideally public land

[5:12:35] Voice 47: where we put these places um we have the roadside and i'll distinguish between roadside on the

[5:12:41] Voice 47: shoulder where you basically you're just making the roads wider and whether it's a paved shoulder

[5:12:45] Voice 47: or a hardened gravel shoulder you're adding onto the road you're building it like a road

[5:12:52] Voice 47: because since it is part of the road people may well bring the bring their cars onto it so it has

[5:12:58] Voice 47: significant costs associated with it they are usually going to be making the road wider and

[5:13:06] Voice 47: one of the issues here on the gulf islands especially is we have our heritage roads and

[5:13:10] Voice 47: And a general sort of, you know, keeping everything small, narrow, it loses the sort of island

[5:13:17] Voice 47: ambience when we put in a superhighway.

[5:13:20] Voice 47: The next one that lists there sort of is the off-road but within the road right-of-way.

[5:13:25] Voice 47: So this would be a separate trail bed that's within the road right-of-way.

[5:13:30] Voice 47: And then, of course, cross-country going anywhere you can across the, between two points.

[5:13:39] Voice 47: and my bottom line here was that most cases you know if we can do it and within the road right

[5:13:45] Voice 47: away but separate we're able to give people that sense of security that they're not going to have

[5:13:50] Voice 47: a car get to them we're not going to have to build the trail to the same the standards necessary to

[5:13:56] Voice 47: support a vehicle and that's the ideal for you know access maintenance and safety next slide

[5:14:03] Voice 47: But the problem, though, when it comes down to building these trails, is that the right-of-ways are generally incomplete.

[5:14:13] Voice 47: So a standard rural road right-of-way is 20 meters wide in total.

[5:14:18] Voice 47: And ideally, that would be centered.

[5:14:20] Voice 47: So you've got 10 meters from the road center line to the edge of the right-of-way on both sides.

[5:14:25] Voice 47: And that gives you, with our typical two-lane roads that we build throughout the Gulf Islands,

[5:14:32] Voice 47: It gives you plenty of room to put in an off-road trail, and so we're able to, and if that was true, then we'd go ahead and we'd talk to Modi, and we'd be building these trails and job done.

[5:14:50] Voice 47: The ideal, you know, seldom realized to the complete route.

[5:14:54] Voice 47: If anyone wants to look on the maps, such as the CRD Natural Area Atlas, which shows

[5:15:01] Voice 47: property lines and shows roads, you'll find that the roadbed is almost never centered.

[5:15:06] Voice 47: There's places where their right-of-way is not the full 20 meters, it's 10 meters, and

[5:15:11] Voice 47: some places where it doesn't exist at all.

[5:15:13] Voice 47: I think this comes under Section 44, where essentially the public road ends at the pavement

[5:15:20] Voice 47: and private land goes right up to the edge of it

[5:15:23] Voice 47: and there is no space whatsoever.

[5:15:25] Voice 47: So when it comes to MAP

[5:15:27] Voice 47: and when we're trying to put in these trails,

[5:15:30] Voice 47: we can either deal with the multiple authorities

[5:15:32] Voice 47: and we have managed to get in trails

[5:15:34] Voice 47: and in some cases working with both private landowners

[5:15:37] Voice 47: and with MOTI for the pieces that are on MOTI.

[5:15:41] Voice 47: And we have arranged with other members

[5:15:45] Voice 47: throughout the Gulf Islands,

[5:15:47] Voice 47: the Gulf Island Trail Society, SKITS,

[5:15:50] Voice 47: And we've got liability insurance to permit us to indemnify the landowners so that they're okay with us putting in trails that people can then use.

[5:16:01] Voice 47: But the other thing, which would be in a gradual process, fix the road right of way so that it is rational and does provide us with, you know, evenly centered roads within the right of way.

[5:16:15] Voice 47: So next slide. So how do we go about rationalizing these right-of-ways? You know, simplest thing, I'm the king, eminent domain, provincial jurisdiction, I bang the gavel and I say, look, every piece of land within 10 meters of the center line of an improved road, it now belongs to the province, take it or leave it.

[5:16:39] Voice 47: unfortunately I'm not the king and there's generally a few people around who would

[5:16:43] Voice 47: go along with that it certainly the pitchforks would be coming out

[5:16:48] Voice 47: so do we just purchase the land generally as soon as somebody finds out that the land

[5:16:54] Voice 47: is wanted by the government they're going to want top dollar for it could be very expensive

[5:17:01] Voice 47: and so the third point here is implement a rationalization requirement so this is where

[5:17:07] Voice 47: government comes in and says okay and the most logical place is to put it on a property sale

[5:17:13] Voice 47: is to say okay you get to sell the property and you can get whatever the market will will

[5:17:18] Voice 47: bear for that price of that property but it's going to be cut into two pieces and any piece

[5:17:24] Voice 47: of land that is close to the road i.e within 10 meters of the road center line that is sold to

[5:17:30] Voice 47: the province and the province pays a a linear amount of the property sale and that the new

[5:17:37] Voice 47: landowner takes on a new piece of property which does not include the road right-of-way and in that

[5:17:44] Voice 47: way we work towards a a rational right road right-of-way at not too much of a cost so moving on

[5:17:53] Voice 47: next slide here's one example on pender we've got a property that's currently up for sale still

[5:18:00] Voice 47: This was on Bedwell Harbour Road so for anyone who knows Pender this is just heading towards the

[5:18:10] Voice 47: Driftwood Centre just above Einers Hill and you can see the road the ideal road right away in the

[5:18:17] Voice 47: light pink and you can see that the property actually intersects the road right away in the

[5:18:24] Voice 47: upper corner there the dark red and so the piece that we'd cut off for that road right of way

[5:18:31] Voice 47: would be very small piece uh reduces the total area by 0.2 um i don't have the numbers in front

[5:18:38] Voice 47: of you because they're on my speaker's notes but basically that would be about 1700 on the at the

[5:18:43] Voice 47: current market current asking price on the property or sorry the 2019 asking price i'm not sure if

[5:18:49] Voice 47: they changed it but a minimal amount you will spend more paying the surveyors to do the cutting

[5:18:54] Voice 47: of this sort of a thing so and in that case now suddenly we're able to put a trail along either

[5:19:01] Voice 47: side of the road and another example next slide shows a slightly more costly one in which this

[5:19:14] Voice 47: it's the same property but there it's unclear at this point whether they own to the center of the

[5:19:19] Voice 47: road as is claimed in which case this case if this would be a bigger piece of property so this

[5:19:27] Voice 47: is a sort of an example of if this was a section 44 road where you had to buy the whole right-of-way

[5:19:33] Voice 47: necessary but as you can see that we're still only talking about six percent of the total area

[5:19:40] Voice 47: and again at the asking price of the in 2019 for this property I think it was about fifty four

[5:19:48] Voice 47: 4,000. So you

[5:19:49] Voice 25: have less than one minute, sir. Yeah.

[5:19:52] Voice 47: So basically, it doesn't cost a lot.

[5:19:56] Voice 47: So next slide. So there's, of course, going to be some issues. Landowners don't want to lose

[5:20:02] Voice 47: values. So you got to make sure that they're getting to pay it for their thing. So if there's

[5:20:08] Voice 47: ever a case where there's development potential that they'd lose, we'd have to sort of tweak the

[5:20:12] Voice 47: bylaws so that they didn't suddenly lose development potential. There's a question of

[5:20:16] Voice 47: Christopher McConkey- heritage values if there's any heritage houses, do we have to move them do we have to tweak them.

[5:20:21] Voice 47: Christopher McConkey- Next slide yeah so just in summary, you know, this is the best way, the best place to put these trails is on public land near existing roads.

[5:20:32] Voice 47: Christopher McConkey- And it's lacking in many places, and if the audience trust can work towards a a better road right away, such as my example that I suggested there.

[5:20:42] Voice 47: um it's going to cost something there's no way this is going to be free but it gives us something

[5:20:48] Voice 47: extremely valuable in return which is contiguous right-of-ways uh which gives us the ability to put

[5:20:54] Voice 47: in these multi-use trails that people can now use to get out of their cars and uh did i have a last

[5:21:01] Voice 47: slide there i think yeah okay so this is just a quick example you know if you've got any questions

[5:21:07] Voice 47: let me know. My contact info there. This is a trail that's on MOTI land heading south from

[5:21:13] Voice 47: Bedwell Harbour, beside Bedwell Harbour Road, south from our community hall.

[5:21:20] Voice 26: Okay, thank

[5:21:21] Voice 26: you very much, sir. Very interesting presentation. I'll just ask, are there any

[5:21:25] Voice 26: trustees that have any questions for the delegate? Otherwise, we'll move along. All right, so I'm

[5:21:34] Voice 26: to move now over to the attendees list and and formally open the town hall portion which is an

[5:21:42] Voice 26: opportunity for citizens that have joined us on the floor so to speak electronically to uh advise

[5:21:49] Voice 26: council on something that's important to them or ask potentially questions uh we may not be in a

[5:21:55] Voice 26: good position to answer them depending on the availability of staff um anyway maya reed boland

[5:22:01] Voice 26: is my first speaker here and Maya the floor is yours and thank you for sending us your

[5:22:07] Voice 26: information we couldn't include it in the package but most trustees would have received it

[5:22:15] Voice 26: it's hard to say whether or not they may have had the opportunity to read it but I'll give you the

[5:22:21] Voice 26: floor and five minutes is yours so over to you.

[5:22:26] Voice 48: Thank you, Mairead Boland I'm representing

[5:22:30] Voice 48: Saterna Island residents and rate payers association.

[5:22:34] Voice 48: I didn't make a delegation,

[5:22:36] Voice 48: but, and I raised a procedural issue,

[5:22:39] Voice 48: which Peter accepted that the agenda is not final

[5:22:44] Voice 48: at the time that delegations are expected.

[5:22:49] Voice 48: So that's a bit of a tricky issue

[5:22:51] Voice 48: if you wanna make a presentation that's actually on topic.

[5:22:55] Voice 48: So I'll go straight into the text now.

[5:22:58] Voice 48: And so basically, we ran a survey last week with mostly on Saturna, focused on our members, but beyond.

[5:23:10] Voice 48: And we had 100 respondents and 98 of those 100 support this request and this presentation to you.

[5:23:19] Voice 48: So I'm just going to read it. I hope it'll make sense.

[5:23:23] Voice 48: protection of the coastal Douglas fir zone ecosystem is the stated goal of the plan to

[5:23:31] Voice 48: regulate tree cutting. A recent CIRA poll asked respondents if they supported CIRA

[5:23:38] Voice 48: requesting community engagement before Islands Trust takes further actions on tree cutting in

[5:23:45] Voice 48: the trust area, 98% of the respondents said yes. On behalf of CIRA, I urge the Islands Trust

[5:23:55] Voice 48: to pause and to consult collaboratively with parties who will be most affected, i.e.

[5:24:02] Voice 48: the residents of the islands, before taking any further steps towards regulation. Do you have a

[5:24:09] Voice 48: reason not to. Have you quantified existing conservation efforts of residents of these

[5:24:18] Voice 48: islands in protecting trees and forests before choosing regulation? This Trust Council discussion

[5:24:25] Voice 48: today hoped to define and quantify the scope of the problem with clear-cutting on each island.

[5:24:34] Voice 48: The outcome of this discussion aims to form the basis of a problem statement for the Ministry.

[5:24:40] Voice 48: Where can we find the data to support your assumptions?

[5:24:45] Voice 48: Why have you chosen regulation over collaboration?

[5:24:50] Voice 48: Results of the recent CIRA poll indicate that most people know they live in the coastal Douglas forest zone and want to know more about the ecosystem and how to sustain it.

[5:25:02] Voice 48: The questions posed were, do you know that the trust area lies in the coastal Douglas fir zone ecosystem?

[5:25:12] Voice 48: 78% said yes.

[5:25:14] Voice 48: Would you like to learn more about the coastal fir zone ecosystem and how to sustain it?

[5:25:21] Voice 48: 76% said yes.

[5:25:25] Voice 48: So my question to you would be, what plans do you have to capitalise on these findings?

[5:25:31] Voice 48: 92% of the respondents in the CIRA poll indicated that they wanted to attend community engagement on these matters, either face-to-face or virtual, or a mix of both.

[5:25:48] Voice 48: Moving on, where is the business plan and budget for implementation of these regulations?

[5:25:55] Voice 48: Is there a business use case which estimates total costs for the complete workflow of any regulations?

[5:26:05] Voice 48: The potential increase in property taxes and the direct cost to individuals should be known before any further steps are taken.

[5:26:14] Voice 48: Sarah asks that you pause and engage and work with us collaboratively before reaching for what should be a last resort, i.e. regulation.

[5:26:28] Voice 48: And I was heartened just to hear advocacy for education, for instance, Trees for Tomorrow.

[5:26:38] Voice 48: tomorrow and also um the fact that and i can't read my writing now but i did listen into room

[5:26:46] Voice 48: number three and i listened to the readout afterwards and i felt that there was a limited

[5:26:52] Voice 48: support for regulation but there was support for education and awareness raising and for harnessing

[5:26:58] Voice 48: the goodwill and the residents knowledge and experience to protect the the douglas um fur zone

[5:27:07] Voice 48: and I leave it at that. Thank you for your time.

[5:27:11] Voice 26: Well thank you very much for your presentation

[5:27:14] Voice 26: and thank you also for participating in our session earlier and your survey and we'll

[5:27:21] Voice 26: certainly be taking all of that into consideration as we move forward in this early days of this

[5:27:27] Voice 26: conversation. So I'm going to go to the speakers list here now and I see Maxine Leichter as the

[5:27:34] Voice 26: the next person on the top of the list

[5:27:37] Voice 26: that I have in front of me.

[5:27:38] Voice 26: So we'll promote you to be able to speak Maxine

[5:27:42] Voice 26: and over to you for.

[5:27:44] Voice 26: Can

[5:27:44] Voice 5: you hear me?

[5:27:45] Voice 26: Yeah, I can hear you.

[5:27:47] Voice 5: This comment is on the shoreline

[5:27:49] Voice 5: and residential density report on your agenda.

[5:27:54] Voice 5: Ecovillages and high density housing

[5:27:56] Voice 5: as described in this report are not appropriate

[5:27:59] Voice 5: for rural areas lacking community water and sewer.

[5:28:05] Voice 5: The residential floor area ratio bylaw

[5:28:09] Voice 5: is to put more people on property

[5:28:11] Voice 5: than likely under existing zoning.

[5:28:14] Voice 5: This is not an environmental approach

[5:28:17] Voice 5: because people cause the most impact

[5:28:18] Voice 5: on the local environment, not the house.

[5:28:22] Voice 5: More people use more water and produce more human waste

[5:28:26] Voice 5: that impact the local environment.

[5:28:28] Voice 5: My point is supported by the examples given in the report.

[5:28:33] Voice 5: The Yarrow Echo Villages in Chilliwack is an infill development with public water and sewer, not in a rural area.

[5:28:42] Voice 5: The Echo Village in Cowichan Valley is a farm, educational center, and bed and breakfast, not a housing project.

[5:28:50] Voice 5: project. Other examples mentioned were in Duncan and Peachland that are municipalities

[5:28:55] Voice 5: that likely have community water and sewer. Densification is a concept developed to counteract

[5:29:02] Voice 5: people moving to the suburbs because, yes, it is more environmental to live in a city

[5:29:09] Voice 5: that has jobs, stores, water, and sewer. But high density housing without city water and

[5:29:16] Voice 5: sewer risks overtapping and polluting groundwater. Even in Ganges that has a sewage treatment plant,

[5:29:26] Voice 5: the community water system is tapped out. A new affordable housing project will use wells,

[5:29:33] Voice 5: but the water district will provide water for firefighting, another consideration for high

[5:29:39] Voice 5: density development. So I say with the exception of Ganges on Salt Spring, high density development

[5:29:46] Voice 5: is likely not appropriate for elsewhere on Salt Spring or other Gulf Islands.

[5:29:53] Voice 5: Thank you.

[5:30:05] Voice 36: Thank you. I'm not sure what's happened to the chair.

[5:30:07] Trustee Fast: I can't hear you, chair.

[5:30:11] Voice 26: Sorry, the microphone was turned off here.

[5:30:14] Voice 26: Thank you very much, Maxine, for your presentation today.

[5:30:18] Voice 26: And we're going to go to the next speaker on my list here, which is, and I apologize if I get the pronunciation wrong, Aaron Ann Harper.

[5:30:28] Voice 26: Over to you.

[5:30:29] Voice 26: you.

[5:30:31] Voice 4: Yes, it's actually Brian Young. I'm using Erin Ann Harper's account from Transition Salt

[5:30:37] Voice 4: Spring. Good evening, trustees. Thank you all for the work that you're doing on behalf of islanders

[5:30:43] Voice 4: and our islands, and thanks for remaining attentive for this town hall portion at the

[5:30:50] Voice 4: end of what must have been a very long day. My name is Brian Young, and I'm the chair of

[5:30:55] Voice 4: Transition Salt Spring. We're a non-profit society which developed the Salt Spring Climate Action

[5:31:00] Voice 4: Plan 2.0, which we released in March of this year. One of our working groups, the Ecological

[5:31:06] Voice 4: Research Network, has presented to trust officials on a number of occasions. Transition has over

[5:31:12] Voice 4: 2,500 members and has seen a sharp increase in membership since the plan was launched earlier

[5:31:18] Voice 4: this year. We work with islanders, islander groups, and public officials to build consensus

[5:31:24] Voice 4: census across differences for the bold action required to address this climate crisis.

[5:31:30] Voice 4: On behalf of our board, I'd like to speak to item 6.2.2, which is a recommendation from the

[5:31:36] Voice 4: trust executive to increase the scope and budget for public engagement on proposed changes to the

[5:31:42] Voice 4: trust's policy statement. As we all know, people in the trust service area and beyond are raw

[5:31:48] Voice 4: and stressed from what has been for many the most difficult period of their lives.

[5:31:54] Voice 4: In that context, we are concerned that if option two is adopted for public engagement,

[5:31:59] Voice 4: we will end the process with more division and acrimony at a time when we really need

[5:32:05] Voice 4: buy-in.

[5:32:06] Voice 4: The challenges we are facing ecologically, economically, and socially on these islands

[5:32:11] Voice 4: are complex and difficult.

[5:32:13] Voice 4: Tough conversations require compassion and patience on everyone's part.

[5:32:17] Voice 4: if they're to be resolved. We simply can't afford an engagement process that is insufficiently

[5:32:24] Voice 4: inclusive, deliberative, and dialogical as we work together to develop the policy statement

[5:32:31] Voice 4: that will take us through the most challenging era that the Trust has yet faced.

[5:32:37] Voice 4: You now have the people's attention, folks. We urge you to take the additional steps required

[5:32:42] Voice 4: required to deliver a process where people will feel truly heard and one where we can build a

[5:32:48] Voice 4: stronger consensus in addressing the critical ecological and social challenges we're facing

[5:32:54] Voice 4: as the impacts of climate change gather steam. Transition Salt Spring therefore recommends the

[5:33:01] Voice 4: adoption of option three because it will provide for an engagement process that is commensurate

[5:33:06] Voice 4: with the tenor of these times and the challenges we collectively face. Thank you.

[5:33:13] Voice 26: Thank you very

[5:33:14] Voice 26: much for uh joining us today and uh and your message thank you um my next speaker is daniel

[5:33:22] Voice 26: o'donnell

[5:33:38] Voice 25: daniel are you there

[5:33:40] Voice 26: hello can you hear me yes we can hear you now a little quiet

[5:33:47] Voice 28: okay

[5:33:48] Voice 26: um there's a number of things i want to

[5:33:52] Voice 39: uh talk to you about

[5:33:54] Voice 38: it just we're having real

[5:33:55] Voice 26: trouble with your audio sir is there a way that you can improve that speaking directly into the

[5:34:00] Voice 26: the microphone or are you on a cell phone?

[5:34:07] Voice 28: Try again. We've lost you completely now by the sounds

[5:34:18] Voice 28: of it.

[5:34:23] Voice 26: It's interesting. I see the microphone indicating that you're speaking, but we can't

[5:34:27] Voice 26: hear anything. And my lawyer is, oh, that's

[5:34:34] Voice 38: better. It's marginal, but that's

[5:34:35] Voice 26: better. Go ahead.

[5:34:36] Voice 26: yeah okay

[5:34:38] Voice 28: okay um i'm just wondering like what no

[5:34:48] Voice 26: sir it's not uh strong you don't have a strong

[5:34:52] Voice 26: enough signal perhaps you might if

[5:34:55] Voice 38: you're on a cell

[5:34:56] Voice 26: phone you might find another location

[5:34:57] Voice 26: if

[5:34:58] Voice 38: there's a what what somebody gets all freaked out about it which actually just

[5:35:06] Voice 26: yeah sir we can't hear you i'm gonna ask you to try and get a better okay

[5:35:12] Voice 26: okay

[5:35:16] Voice 39: i

[5:35:17] Voice 26: hear you now

[5:35:21] Voice 26: no it's just too intermittent i'm going to go to another speaker and perhaps you could find a

[5:35:27] Voice 26: better connection and i'd be more than happy to come back to you so i'm going to

[5:35:32] Voice 26: go to peter par

[5:35:36] Voice 26: um as the next speaker daniel please try again we'll come back to you can

[5:35:42] Voice 11: you hear me

[5:35:43] Voice 11: yes okay so my name is peter perry i'm from pender island and uh first i'd like to express my support

[5:35:50] Voice 11: for this timely review of the trust policy statement i'm very supportive of the changes

[5:35:56] Voice 11: the trust policy statement uh will allow the council and the local trust council to to better

[5:36:04] Voice 11: implement the preserve and protect mandate i i'd like to tonight just specifically briefly

[5:36:10] Voice 11: Briefly, speak in favor of the policy statement 4.3 related to forest stewardship practices.

[5:36:18] Voice 11: As you

[5:36:18] Voice 1: know and you heard

[5:36:19] Voice 11: earlier, the coastal Douglas fir is one of the most, well, is the

[5:36:23] Voice 11: most endangered ecosystem in our province, and preserving forest cover is the most effective

[5:36:31] Voice 11: way to promote carbon storage.

[5:36:33] Voice 11: So I support the policy statement that advocates that the truck should seek provincial government

[5:36:40] Voice 11: government jurisdictional authority to preserve and protect forest ecosystems.

[5:36:45] Voice 11: I also support 4.3.9, that you should seek authority to prohibit clear-cut logging and

[5:36:52] Voice 11: old-growth logging in the trust area, and the authority to regulate tree-cutting in the area.

[5:36:58] Voice 11: Because notwithstanding the previous comments, there are properties that get completely clear-cut

[5:37:06] Voice 11: caught often on our islands and right now there's no way to stop that from happening

[5:37:12] Voice 11: and maybe the majority want to preserve at the coastal douglas fir but some people don't and so

[5:37:19] Voice 11: we need regulations i also support 4.3.1 which advocates for sustainable forestry harvesting

[5:37:27] Voice 11: practices by preserving protecting and restoring i would like to see a little bit more in this

[5:37:34] Voice 11: transaction for rewards for forest restoration and for tree planting. Maybe property tax incentives

[5:37:42] Voice 11: or any other carrots that you could arrange with the province or with the regional districts.

[5:37:49] Voice 11: Because planting trees is the most cost-effective carbon capture technology there is. And I think

[5:37:56] Voice 11: many citizens are ready for this and leading in this area. For example, Galliano have set up

[5:38:02] Voice 11: what they call the Galliano Ecoforestry Association.

[5:38:07] Voice 11: And so they're already providing education advice

[5:38:09] Voice 11: on environmentally sensitive forest management practices

[5:38:13] Voice 11: for conserving and restoring biodiversity.

[5:38:16] Voice 11: So, you know, most of the people on the islands are ready for this,

[5:38:21] Voice 11: but I do think we need some regulations for the few who aren't.

[5:38:25] Voice 11: So that's all I'd like to say tonight.

[5:38:28] Voice 11: Thank you for the opportunity.

[5:38:31] Voice 26: Thank you, Peter.

[5:38:32] Voice 26: Peter, the signal was not great, but we definitely got the drift of what you were saying and appreciate you coming today.

[5:38:41] Voice 26: Thank you. I wonder, Daniel O'Donnell, have you managed to improve your signal at this time?

[5:38:49] Voice 26: Otherwise, we'll go to the next speaker.

[5:38:54] Voice 39: How's this? Can you hear me now?

[5:38:55] Voice 39: oh that's really

[5:38:56] Voice 39: good yeah okay um back to what the um the tree cutting bylaws we've been down

[5:39:06] Voice 39: this road before where where the tree cutting but the somebody wants to put in the tree cutting

[5:39:12] Voice 39: bylaws i'm in i'm in the logging industry on on salt spring island and we we clear land for

[5:39:20] Voice 39: a number of things for for housing for um in we do um thinning forest and clear cuts we do

[5:39:30] Voice 39: like everything and you get when with the with the trust policy if you're going to create um

[5:39:37] Voice 39: a field how is that all of a sudden just a bad thing but what ends up happening all the time

[5:39:45] Voice 39: with the with when the trust goes down this road it swings the pendulum over so far that people get

[5:39:52] Voice 39: alarmed and everybody goes out and cuts and cuts down every tree because they're it's on a all on

[5:40:00] Voice 39: a fear-based system so I don't see the trust having any business in regulating what's happening

[5:40:14] Voice 39: on the islands that um with the with the tree cutting and what and what is the trust put into

[5:40:23] Voice 39: place for um taking away those jobs of the people that are that are in the forest industry is there

[5:40:31] Voice 39: a compensation package put into place and uh every time that the that we end up going down this road

[5:40:41] Voice 39: it seems to um the trust just seems to kind of offload all their problems on someone else

[5:40:49] Voice 39: we used to have the ability to dump logs here on the on the logs we the land that we logged

[5:40:58] Voice 39: the log dumps got shut down so then what what it did was tax the ferry system um the uh the fuel

[5:41:08] Voice 39: the big fuel tanks that were in the number of the different harbors where we used to get our fuel

[5:41:16] Voice 39: from now the now it has to be trucked on the ferry and we have uh different different little um

[5:41:26] Voice 39: companies that are are not allowed to um use the road as the parking lot as their parking lot

[5:41:34] Voice 39: lot they're being little um bakeries and that are being shut down but all of a sudden the bc ferries

[5:41:40] Voice 39: has the right to use the highway as a parking lot so i don't see that i i would like to very much

[5:41:48] Voice 39: to see that the trust go back to what its initial job was that it seems to be wavering from and

[5:41:57] Voice 39: And that's just zoning issues.

[5:41:59] Voice 39: And I keep hearing that you need more power to be able to have low-cost housing and have

[5:42:10] Voice 39: housing.

[5:42:10] Voice 39: But I feel that what the trust needs to do is to back off and let the people work it

[5:42:19] Voice 39: out.

[5:42:21] Voice 39: Thank you.

[5:42:23] Voice 26: Thank you for joining us and bringing your message.

[5:42:27] Voice 26: And certainly, speaking for myself, I would enjoy having more conversations with you in this discussion.

[5:42:36] Voice 26: We need to know more about what you know in order to help inform what we don't know in order to understand the best way to approach what is considered by some to be a concern.

[5:42:49] Voice 26: So thank you very much for joining us today, especially making the effort with the technology.

[5:42:53] Voice 26: and glad to hear you here today and let's continue this conversation um lisa is the next speaker on

[5:43:02] Voice 26: the list here and um let's see if we can hear you yeah

[5:43:09] Voice 35: can you hear me

[5:43:09] Voice 26: yes we can hear you

[5:43:11] Voice 35: okay

[5:43:12] Voice 35: um i'm uh i'm on pender island and i'm really thankful for the thorough review of the trust

[5:43:20] Voice 35: policy statement and I really hope that these changes will enable Trust Council and LTCs to

[5:43:26] Voice 35: actually implement the preserve and protect mandate but today specifically I support the

[5:43:34] Voice 35: section 4.2 freshwater stewardship policy and my concerns relate to the limited amount of

[5:43:43] Voice 35: fresh water on the islands especially with the change in climate and more frequent summer droughts.

[5:43:50] Voice 35: How many people can these islands really support without critically depleting our aquifers?

[5:43:57] Voice 35: Well as you know, or you will know soon, rainwater is plentiful in winter months

[5:44:04] Voice 35: and through a community group called Pender Earth I've organized a bulk buy of rainwater

[5:44:10] Voice 35: tanks on pender island provided information about rainwater harvesting and offer professional help

[5:44:18] Voice 35: for installing tanks if needed so you'd think it would be a no-brainer for everyone to go this

[5:44:24] Voice 35: route they could get a tank they could irrigate they could grow their vegetables without worry

[5:44:29] Voice 35: but the problem is that tanks are really they're costly so i would urge the trust council to

[5:44:38] Voice 35: to advocate to the province and the CRD to provide a rebate program or property tax incentives

[5:44:46] Voice 35: to enable people to harvest our precious rainwater, give our aquifers a break.

[5:44:53] Voice 35: Thanks for allowing me to present.

[5:44:57] Voice 26: Well, thank you for joining us today, Lisa, and that good message.

[5:45:02] Voice 26: Wish you success with your water tank program.

[5:45:06] Voice 26: So the next speaker on our list here now is Jacinthe Eastick from Gabriola Island.

[5:45:13] Voice 26: So, Jacinthe, I'll give you the floor. Go ahead.

[5:45:20] Voice 10: Good grief, I didn't realize that I would be back so soon.

[5:45:25] Voice 10: Hello, trustees. It's nice to see you again because I've become accustomed to your face.

[5:45:32] Voice 10: I want to ask you if you have ever considered in the section of the Act that says that you could make different policies for different areas in the trust area.

[5:45:47] Voice 10: And a staff report just bothered me or worried me.

[5:45:56] Voice 10: and it acknowledged that there are some islands in the trust

[5:46:00] Voice 10: that have already reached unsustainability.

[5:46:04] Voice 10: And I assume that they are the three islands

[5:46:07] Voice 10: that were tagged in the State of the Islands report,

[5:46:13] Voice 10: Main Island, Gabriola Island, and Hornby Island.

[5:46:17] Voice 10: Would you, as a council, because as you know,

[5:46:21] Voice 10: local decisions can become very entangled

[5:46:25] Voice 10: entangled with local pressure. And as a politician, of course, you have to be concerned about

[5:46:33] Voice 10: entanglement with local issues because you are living on those islands. But Trust Council has

[5:46:38] Voice 10: a purpose. And I think the purpose is to go beyond that. You are actually the federal government

[5:46:47] Voice 10: that is in charge of the mandate of the trust. And therefore, you have the responsibility to

[5:46:54] Voice 10: to look after the islands that are in peril.

[5:46:58] Voice 10: If trust staff has established in the trust report

[5:47:02] Voice 10: that there are some islands,

[5:47:03] Voice 10: although they have not been identified,

[5:47:06] Voice 10: that those islands are in peril of unsustainability,

[5:47:10] Voice 10: are you not going to contemplate putting policies

[5:47:15] Voice 10: in the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[5:47:17] Voice 10: as per the acts to protect them?

[5:47:21] Voice 10: Thank you.

[5:47:24] Voice 26: thank you very much for your message today just sent um i'll ask if there's any other speakers

[5:47:31] Voice 26: today that would

[5:47:32] Voice 28: like to address council so i'll

[5:47:41] Voice 26: ask one more time are there any other speakers

[5:47:44] Voice 26: today that would like to address council i see john cowling his hand was up and then it disappeared

[5:47:51] Voice 26: appeared. John, go ahead.

[5:47:57] Voice 22: Thank you. Can you hear? Yes. Okay, yeah, my name is John, John Coy.

[5:48:03] Voice 22: I've been living on Salt Spring now for about a little over 17 years, and I'd just like to

[5:48:10] Voice 22: share my experience briefly and my feelings, because this is very challenging for everybody,

[5:48:18] Voice 22: no matter what their point of view first feeling of course like everyone is is gratitude very deep

[5:48:26] Voice 22: gratitude for living here you know and like like everyone else if i stand in a deep natural forest

[5:48:33] Voice 22: or see one of david attenborough's magnificent documentaries you know get that deep sense of

[5:48:40] Voice 22: the wonderful idealism that you the trustees and your staff and advisors are are coming from

[5:48:49] Voice 22: it's it's how grand nature is and you're right you know we must not spoil her but of course the

[5:48:57] Voice 22: the trick is to implement it in a way that's balanced and as you've heard from many of us

[5:49:04] Voice 22: over the years I've been to many meetings I was at the zoom I spoke at the zoom meeting

[5:49:09] Voice 22: on the 7th of July before and now and with your new updated policy statement in your idealism

[5:49:19] Voice 22: you've more and more disregarded the the residents and think only of the environment and i just like

[5:49:26] Voice 22: to talk about that because i don't think you realize or appreciate how much you hurt people

[5:49:34] Voice 22: by making it so complicated and expensive to get the simplest thing done you know speaking from my

[5:49:42] Voice 22: own experience how would you feel if you tried to do a simple lot line adjustment and because of

[5:49:48] Voice 22: all your regulations and bureaucracy, and the CRD and highways were quite prompt. It took almost

[5:49:56] Voice 22: three years and cost over $100,000. You know, who has three years of their time and $100,000 to waste

[5:50:04] Voice 22: on something that really could have been decided by some intelligent people, you know, in a day or

[5:50:10] Voice 22: so. And I'm sorry to say this, but everyone knows also that your costs and complications

[5:50:18] Voice 22: implications are why there is no affordable housing here or not enough and I don't want to

[5:50:26] Voice 22: be negative but please remember that legally you represent the residents of these islands

[5:50:33] Voice 22: you know that this is a democracy the residents elected you the residents pay for your salaries

[5:50:40] Voice 22: and staff but it's not just legally that you represent us we shouldn't have to say that it's

[5:50:45] Voice 22: that morally your job is to represent the residents so i am asking you to please look in

[5:50:52] Voice 22: in your hearts and for what's your duty your moral and legal duty and please don't just look through

[5:50:59] Voice 22: the filter of your ideology your personal interpretation of how to preserve the environment

[5:51:05] Voice 22: because we all want to preserve the environment but we all live here too and we want to preserve

[5:51:11] Voice 22: our rights as residents and property owners to enjoy our lucky life in the gulf islands they

[5:51:17] Voice 22: belong to all of us we don't want to be afraid every day and and this is true people think you

[5:51:23] Voice 22: know my god what is the trust going to do next what right will they take away from us next and

[5:51:31] Voice 22: but but just in finishing you're good people and everybody knows that and you can hear it in your

[5:51:37] Voice 22: voices and in your sincerity but please act as our representatives and don't just represent your view

[5:51:45] Voice 22: of the universe and i know that if you do the right thing by the residents you know instead

[5:51:51] Voice 22: of being afraid of you everyone will appreciate you they'll support you they'll applaud you

[5:51:57] Voice 22: and so will the environment you can make the environment happy and the residents too so thank

[5:52:05] Voice 22: you.

[5:52:07] Voice 26: Thank you John for your message today. I'm going to go now to Julia Nichols as the next

[5:52:16] Voice 26: speaker on my list and just know that we're scheduled to go to nine o'clock and I know that

[5:52:25] Voice 26: trustees have had a long day and there some have other commitments but we'll continue on until we

[5:52:30] Voice 26: have time. So Julia Nichols over to you.

[5:52:33] Voice 2: Actually this is Gregory Nichols speaking from

[5:52:36] Voice 2: Pender Island. Can you hear me? Yes, sir.

[5:52:40] Voice 2: I strongly support the mandate of the Islands Trust

[5:52:44] Voice 2: to preserve and protect. And what they're preserving and protecting, as far as I can see,

[5:52:50] Voice 2: is the quality of these islands as they are. They're not here to provide jobs for people.

[5:53:00] Voice 2: They're not here to provide tourism, necessarily. Those things are well and good.

[5:53:07] Voice 2: we all need jobs. But we also need an island, which it looks like one of our islands. It has

[5:53:17] Voice 2: trees, it has lakes, it has, if we're lucky, rivers. And these are the important things that

[5:53:24] Voice 2: we need to protect. We need to protect our wildlife. Otherwise, why are we here?

[5:53:30] Voice 2: here uh tree trees are not just a resource to be cut down when we feel like it um yeah i i have

[5:53:40] Voice 2: cut trees if i want a garden i will cut a few trees at the moment i want a pond and i've cut

[5:53:45] Voice 2: down two trees i am not going to clear cut my property and i never will so of course we need

[5:53:52] Voice 2: to have some flexibility if there's a good reason for cutting trees but we need a good reason and

[5:53:58] Voice 2: And the trust needs to have some means of enforcing the tree-cutting rules.

[5:54:06] Voice 2: And we need rules around tree-cutting.

[5:54:08] Voice 2: Thank you.

[5:54:10] Voice 2: Thank you very much, sir.

[5:54:13] Voice 26: Looking at my list here, I have Dee Leanne as the next speaker.

[5:54:27] Voice 28: Hello,

[5:54:28] Voice 1: it's Dawn Cressman.

[5:54:29] Voice 1: Can you hear me?

[5:54:30] Voice 28: Yes.

[5:54:30] Voice 28: um

[5:54:31] Voice 1: i've lived in the islands more than 30 years on main island salt spring and currently saturn

[5:54:39] Voice 1: um i just wanted to comment john cowick's statement was very heartwarming and what i

[5:54:47] Voice 1: would like to say is in response to rainwater collection i've always felt it should be part

[5:54:54] Voice 1: of the building permit process that's one permit i would support that when you build a new house

[5:55:02] Voice 1: you must build in water collection as well on main island under the home hardware they have a

[5:55:09] Voice 1: huge amount of water storage i'm not sure how many gallons and that's been there for many years i'd

[5:55:17] Voice 1: also like to speak about autonomy for the islands i feel very strongly that each of the islands are

[5:55:25] Voice 1: very different and should be recognized in that way and please don't make any cookie cutter

[5:55:31] Voice 1: decisions for all of us at once but recognize that we are all individual and like to stay like that

[5:55:41] Voice 1: okay thank you thank

[5:55:43] Voice 26: you very much for joining us today and thank you for your message

[5:55:46] Voice 26: it um i see monica petrie is the next speaker hello

[5:55:56] Voice 8: hello can you hear me okay it's a little

[5:56:01] Voice 26: quiet but we can hear you go ahead all

[5:56:04] Voice 8: right i'll speak up uh it's paul petrie on monica's ipad

[5:56:08] Voice 8: my apology i was not able to raise my hand on my

[5:56:15] Voice 8: technologically talent thank you trustees for holding this uh town hall and i know it's been

[5:56:21] Voice 8: a long day and I'll be brief but I would like to speak to policy proposed policy 3.1.12

[5:56:30] Voice 8: and I really strongly support council's directive to local trust committees

[5:56:37] Voice 8: to place priority on the integrity of the environment

[5:56:41] Voice 8: and indigenous cultural heritage in all decision making and also and I think this is doubly

[5:56:50] Voice 8: important to limit the rate and scale of growth and development in their planning area. We know

[5:56:56] Voice 8: that the impact of the climate crisis is accelerating the challenges that we face on

[5:57:03] Voice 8: the islands, and there's a collision coming between increasing density and presence on the

[5:57:09] Voice 8: the island with water and other resources and also hazards around wildfires, etc. And we need to

[5:57:22] Voice 8: bring that into the decision-making process. And I really hope that the trustees and council

[5:57:28] Voice 8: will have the courage to make sure that that directive policy is one that has an implementation

[5:57:35] Voice 8: implementation plan and an accountability plan.

[5:57:38] Voice 8: And finally, to the

[5:57:41] Voice 8: earlier speaker who talked about

[5:57:45] Voice 8: addressing the concerns of island residents.

[5:57:48] Voice 8: Yes, that's important.

[5:57:49] Voice 8: I agree with that.

[5:57:50] Voice 8: And our trustees on South Kinder Island do that in a very robust and responsive way.

[5:57:57] Voice 8: But also the trust mandate is for British Columbians generally.

[5:58:00] Voice 8: And I think the trust has a very important fiduciary responsibility to the British Columbians generally to deal with the threats to these islands.

[5:58:13] Voice 8: and I just referred to Shawna Dahl's excellent presentation

[5:58:17] Voice 8: about the Coastal Douglas Bird Zone.

[5:58:23] Voice 8: That's something that individual residents

[5:58:27] Voice 8: are not the nexus of consultation or consideration.

[5:58:32] Voice 8: That's a provincial-wide issue,

[5:58:34] Voice 8: and I encourage the council and trustees

[5:58:38] Voice 8: to have the courage to stand up for all British Columbians

[5:58:42] Voice 8: as well as you.

[5:58:43] Voice 8: So thank you very much.

[5:58:46] Voice 26: Thank you very much for joining us, Mr. Petrie.

[5:58:50] Voice 26: Nice to hear you.

[5:58:54] Voice 26: I'm looking at my speakers list

[5:58:56] Voice 26: and see if there's anybody else out there

[5:58:59] Voice 26: that wishes to address council that hasn't spoken.

[5:59:05] Voice 26: Last one more time.

[5:59:07] Voice 26: Is there anybody that wishes to address council today?

[5:59:11] Voice 26: Let's see, Deanna Gardiner,

[5:59:17] Voice 26: the floor is yours.

[5:59:19] Voice 16: Hello, it's actually Paul Dodd speaking through Diana's laptop. Normally, I'm just

[5:59:29] Voice 16: responding to the tree cutting proposal, the proposal for the bylaw for tree cutting.

[5:59:36] Voice 16: Normally, regulation is introduced to address a nuisance or a harm or a perceived problem.

[5:59:43] Voice 16: And in this case, from what I've heard today, the perceived problem is clear cutting.

[5:59:49] Voice 16: And we know it's clear cutting on private land. That's the problem, because the proposed bylaw won't address crown land. It won't address agriculture.

[6:00:00] Voice 16: land, and it won't address land zone for forestry. So the problem is, is that what's being addressed

[6:00:07] Voice 16: is clear cutting on private property. And I just like to know, since that's the mischief that's

[6:00:16] Voice 16: being addressed, what the evidence is on each of the islands of clear cutting on private property

[6:00:24] Voice 16: that gives rise to this particular solution.

[6:00:29] Voice 16: Thank you.

[6:00:31] Voice 26: Mr. Thank you.

[6:00:33] Voice 26: I feel necessary to suggest that it's not necessarily

[6:00:39] Voice 26: just about clear cutting.

[6:00:41] Voice 26: The spectrum of potential for tree cutting bylaw

[6:00:47] Voice 26: goes from individual trees for landscape purposes

[6:00:50] Voice 26: to trees along the shoreline

[6:00:53] Voice 26: to protect the marine environment,

[6:00:55] Voice 26: all the way to what people refer to as clear cutting and even that maybe needs to be defined

[6:01:01] Voice 26: within the island's trust area so and not prepared to answer the other question you had with regards

[6:01:09] Voice 26: to the evidence but because we're still in the definition phase of what this ask is and what the

[6:01:16] Voice 26: problem is and indeed today's breakout sessions we had the first question was is what is the problem

[6:01:23] Voice 26: in your trust area and so we're defining that and this is a work in progress and please stay tuned

[6:01:29] Voice 26: and and be very happy to hear more from you as we evolve and develop the question thank you very

[6:01:37] Voice 26: much for joining us today anybody else wish to address council today pretty much wrapped up for

[6:01:44] Voice 26: for time here.

[6:01:45] Voice 26: But I see David Donison.

[6:01:51] Voice 9: Yes, thank you, Mr. Luckum.

[6:01:58] Voice 9: As you were closing there, I wasn't going to speak,

[6:02:00] Voice 9: but I'd like to speak to this one point.

[6:02:02] Voice 9: There was three things I wanted to talk about,

[6:02:06] Voice 9: but I'll mention them and table them.

[6:02:08] Voice 9: One is the prohibiting of desalination.

[6:02:11] Voice 9: The second is placing a moratorium on docks.

[6:02:14] Voice 9: The third is the discussion around contiguous forest cover and in your deliberations I would

[6:02:28] Voice 9: sincerely appreciate if you can consider fire smart guidelines from the province.

[6:02:37] Voice 9: A significant issue with our second growth forest is the fuel buildup and it's not going

[6:02:45] Voice 9: going to help anybody and or the ecosystem and or the Douglas fir or any other trees

[6:02:49] Voice 9: if a catastrophic fire decides to take them all out so it's it's this is a much more significant

[6:02:58] Voice 9: problem in terms of order of magnitude because we literally can wait them out we've seen what

[6:03:03] Voice 9: happened with Lytton we saw what happened this summer with the heat wave and the fire smart

[6:03:11] Voice 9: smart guidelines do arguably directly oppose the proposals for contiguous forest cover.

[6:03:23] Voice 9: For example, one is encouraged to keep trees 10 meters away from houses. So I realize that

[6:03:30] Voice 9: could present all kinds of consternation, and hopefully it will just stimulate dialogue.

[6:03:37] Voice 9: The other thing I just like to mention on forest cover is that Douglas for itself is not an endangered tree.

[6:03:47] Voice 9: It is one of the most prolific evergreen trees we have in North America.

[6:03:53] Voice 9: Secondly, that I really appreciate the statement about science, best available science, social science and inclusion of local knowledge indigenous ways of knowing.

[6:04:07] Voice 9: but a number of presentations to the trust council have suggested that this is one of the rarest

[6:04:16] Voice 9: ecosystems on the planet well that's just not true and jenny was kind of uh touching on that

[6:04:22] Voice 9: in her presentation at the start here um where she talked about trying to reconcile how we describe

[6:04:28] Voice 9: things on one side of the border and how they describe things on the other side the coastal

[6:04:33] Voice 9: of Douglas fir and associated ecosystems range from the Georgia Basin through the Puget Trough

[6:04:40] Voice 9: and into the Willamette Valley all the way down to California. We represent one percent of that

[6:04:46] Voice 9: ecosystem and the threats to the ecosystem, while yes, what we're doing now in terms of emissions

[6:04:53] Voice 9: is an issue, but we should all be aware that with respect to Gary Oak, for example, the European

[6:05:02] Voice 9: European colonists have, you know, stopped the controlled burning from First Nations, and that's been the biggest single threat to the Gary Oak.

[6:05:11] Voice 9: Anyhow, I would encourage council in their deliberations, as I said, to consider FireSmart, and also let's not overstate the problem here.

[6:05:27] Voice 9: We care about this ecosystem, those of us who live here, that's why we live here.

[6:05:32] Voice 9: but it is not one of the rarest ecosystems in the world point you know right right there anyhow thank

[6:05:42] Voice 9: you very much appreciate appreciate your time um thank you

[6:05:46] Voice 26: sir um for your presentation today

[6:05:49] Voice 26: um this does bring us to nine o'clock which is our time to uh um close this session

[6:05:56] Voice 26: so i want to thank all of the members of the audience both as uh attendees and spoke that

[6:06:02] Voice 26: spoke to us and all of those that are watching the live streaming here tonight um for joining

[6:06:06] Voice 26: us today here in coach salis territory and um look forward to seeing all of you trustees again

[6:06:12] Voice 26: tomorrow and uh certainly everyone is welcome to join us and observe the uh discussions tomorrow

[6:06:19] Voice 26: and um so i will uh call for uh recess and we will be reconvening uh tomorrow morning

[6:06:28] Voice 26: that's a nine o'clock that's correct and um i'll just refer council's benefit i noted that we might

[6:06:38] Voice 26: try to continue with items 4.24 and 4.25 at the beginning of the day and then begin with the other

[6:06:46] Voice 26: materials we have some serious time constraints with the delegation uh we're not delegation but

[6:06:52] Voice 26: had a consultant making a presentation regarding the uh uh on stress policy statement public

[6:06:58] Voice 26: engagement plan we also have the oil spill planning in the islands just area presentation

[6:07:03] Voice 26: from the coast guard and department of fisheries and oceans and so i am inclined to want to keep

[6:07:09] Voice 26: that on schedule in respect of our guests and so we will start with them and we will pick up those

[6:07:14] Voice 26: other items as time permits possibly not even tomorrow but on Thursday or possibly not at all

[6:07:22] Voice 26: they are not serious pressing matters they're administrative in nature and certainly we can

[6:07:28] Voice 26: address them as time permits so council thank you for today and I saw something is in the chat which

[6:07:40] Voice 26: which isn't always the best thing for me to be able to observe while I'm monitoring other details.

[6:07:46] Voice 26: So anyway, everybody, unless there's any questions, let's adjourn or recess.

[6:07:51] Voice 26: And we thank you. We will return tomorrow at nine o'clock.

[6:07:56] Voice 26: Thank you, everybody, for a great day.