North Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, March 24, 2022

[0:02:00] Voice 3: morning pat can you hear us

[0:02:01] Voice 3: yes

[0:02:02] Voice 6: i can thank you

[0:02:03] Voice 4: good morning super i just wanted to make sure

[0:02:05] Voice 4: can you hear that can everybody hear that yes no i'm not talking to you pat um so everybody

[0:02:12] Voice 4: in the room can hear excellent i

[0:02:15] Voice 3: believe we're live streaming everything is working i hope

[0:02:19] Voice 3: i'm

[0:02:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): doing trustees you're ready i'm

[0:02:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): the one that's always yeah i'm

[0:02:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): the one that's taking

[0:02:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you

[0:02:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): for setting that up i'll

[0:02:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): learn how to do it

[0:02:34] Voice 3: eventually right good morning good morning

[0:03:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): everyone i'd like to call this meeting of the north pender island local trust committee to order

[0:03:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): always open with the knowledge of how fortunate we are to be meeting traditional territories of

[0:03:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): the coast salish people i know haven't been we're both there in the southern gulf island forum

[0:03:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): a meeting recently and and chief thomas from the lax nation at the end of our meeting held up his

[0:03:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): granddaughter in front of the we were on zoom and said we always have to remember that it's the next

[0:03:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): generations that we're making our decisions on it's a very moving moment and i think in all of

[0:03:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): our meetings as we're here in our business that is good to keep in our mind who are we doing this

[0:04:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): work for it's the next generations this meeting is being recorded and live streamed if you are

[0:04:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): live streaming today this meeting is not uh interactive uh so if you were intending to

[0:04:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): to address us today we have a town hall beginning meeting and we have a town hall for a second end

[0:04:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the meeting um i'm lauren patrick i'm elected on salt spring and the chair of this local trust

[0:04:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): committee i'm joined today by trustee deb morrison and trustee ben mcconkey together we make up your

[0:04:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): local trust committee this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make

[0:04:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business uh i also want to add

[0:04:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): that this is a place of employment despite the fact that we have people joining us from their

[0:04:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): home here on the computer our minute taker is electronically so you'll see me interacting

[0:04:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): interacting with her. She's here today. And I'm sorry, Pat. Pat, what was your last name?

[0:05:02] Voice 6: Todd, T-O-D-D.

[0:05:04] Voice 6: Okay, Pat

[0:05:05] Voice 6: Todd. Pat

[0:05:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Todd is our leader, so she's here for interacting with us.

[0:05:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): And we also have, well, that's over here, our planner. She's just off the screen,

[0:05:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): which is just right over here um okay i think at that uh we have an agenda before us so trustees

[0:05:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): are there any additions or changes that need to be made to the agenda

[0:05:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): that's pretty full again

[0:05:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): so you can approve

[0:05:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): the agenda through general consent yep

[0:05:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): yes um

[0:05:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): and a moment of the town hall

[0:05:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): so

[0:05:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): first we'll start with the trustee reports um yeah good afternoon and thank you to everyone for

[0:05:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): attending today's meeting it's great to see everybody again in person uh you know respecting

[0:05:59] Trustee McConchie (probable): the decision to wear a mask or not this room is well ventilated so it's great to see everybody

[0:06:04] Trustee McConchie (probable): again as we begin what was basically a dreamlike state uh of covid for basically two and a half

[0:06:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): years so the next couple months ahead will be busy ones with this local trust committee and we look

[0:06:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): forward to hearing from everybody here in the community regarding particularly our land use

[0:06:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): bylaw review which has now been three years and in the works um we have several issues that we're

[0:06:25] Trustee McConchie (probable): dealing with today regarding applications for development permits a sort of deposit bylaw we're

[0:06:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): going to debate but other things i want to know about is that we just recently came from trust

[0:06:34] Trustee McConchie (probable): council which was march 8th to 12th uh this was in the nine mode uh this was a very uh deliberative

[0:06:41] Trustee McConchie (probable): and uh the uh debate uh where trust council voted to reduce the budget uh i'm certain chair patrick

[0:06:50] Trustee McConchie (probable): cannot elaborate on any other details regarding that but i was very proud of trustees for taking

[0:06:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): on a very challenging and complicated issue i believe we were responding to the needs of

[0:07:01] Trustee McConchie (probable): islanders uh by responding to the fact that we wanted to notify the public that that we heard

[0:07:09] Trustee McConchie (probable): them but the budget had increased and wanted to show islanders that we were responsive to that

[0:07:14] Trustee McConchie (probable): so i'm proud of trust council for doing that uh with regards to this community uh engagement

[0:07:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): that we've been doing there's been about between i've just talked to planners talked about eight

[0:07:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): community information meetings regarding the land use file review virtual live stream in person

[0:07:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's been a very very comprehensive discussion and i want to thank the community for

[0:07:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): um giving very detailed well-thought-out opinions to help the trustees determine the course of

[0:07:41] Trustee McConchie (probable): action for how we did how we finalized this bylaw review so i want to recognize the efforts and time

[0:07:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): of people writing emails i do read them but they're very often substantive and quite comprehensive so

[0:07:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): the intelligence of this community is very impressive and it often keeps me up at night

[0:07:57] Trustee McConchie (probable): thinking about all the various angles of this discussion finally um i just want to mention

[0:08:02] Trustee McConchie (probable): the southern as chair patrick mentioned uh the southern island gulf islands uh meeting it was

[0:08:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): regarding freighter languages uh which is not within the jurisdiction uh per se of island's

[0:08:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): trust it's actually transport canada that determines the freighters that are anchored

[0:08:17] Trustee McConchie (probable): out there however we are invited to attend and um i was concerned that it was utilized as more of a

[0:08:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): uh we're doing this regardless of what you say kind of thing uh supply chain issues were brought

[0:08:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): up uh so i am concerned that transport canada uh is not listening to our first nations communities

[0:08:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): regarding this issue that was one thing that came clear from that meeting was that the first nations

[0:08:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): communities are not in support of anchorages per se uh and that the transport canada really needs

[0:08:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): to listen carefully to their concerns uh anything i could go on but uh for now that's that's as

[0:08:53] Trustee McConchie (probable): brief as i'd like to be and i look forward to hearing from everybody here today thank you

[0:08:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): All

[0:08:59] Voice 4: right. So, Trust Council, let's start with Trust Council. So, the budget was very complicated in many different ways, and it's situated in a process inside the Trust Council that I think is very complicated too.

[0:09:18] Voice 4: and so many of those things i think will be discussion in the next year at trust council

[0:09:25] Voice 4: as the new trust council comes in and part of that probably will be about the governance report

[0:09:30] Voice 4: too that also just came down and how we decide to take that up different aspects of it and how

[0:09:36] Voice 4: that might influence different practices and processes inside the trust so i think it's

[0:09:43] Voice 4: worthwhile just to like in conversations with people not oversimplify it because it was

[0:09:48] Voice 4: complicated and um i i voted to have the budget reduced and i i voted to like try to get it you

[0:09:58] Voice 4: know into a reasonable fiscal spot from my perspective and i did that knowing that that

[0:10:04] Voice 4: means that there are some things that i want done in the trust area that are not going to get done

[0:10:09] Voice 4: this year and so it's a tension for me but it's wound up for me in the governance report issues

[0:10:16] Voice 4: too so until i see some efficiencies that i've been a little bit of a nag on inside the trust

[0:10:21] Voice 4: council for the last three years i just can't get behind increasing the budget so um so it's

[0:10:29] Voice 4: attention because i definitely want to spend money on things that i think are going to protect and

[0:10:32] Voice 4: preserve the environment but um yeah so there we are southern gulf island form oh one other thing

[0:10:38] Voice 4: about trust council the trust policy statement is in public review still until it's mid-april

[0:10:46] Voice 4: mid-april so please make sure that you're giving feedback on that um all that feedback will start

[0:10:53] Voice 4: to get synthesized like our land use bylaw review here the trust policy statement did not just

[0:10:58] Voice 4: suddenly burst forth into the universe just because people are starting to pay attention

[0:11:02] Voice 4: to it more it has been years in the making as well so um this revision of it so really tune

[0:11:09] Voice 4: into that give your feedback it is actually going to be listened to so it would be helpful know that

[0:11:16] Voice 4: your feedback alone isn't the only feedback we're getting so if your feedback isn't integrated to it

[0:11:21] Voice 4: it doesn't mean it wasn't heard okay it means that it was considered in in light of all the

[0:11:28] Voice 4: different feedback and all the different pieces that are in play um so yeah the governance report

[0:11:35] Voice 4: came down the southern gulf island forum just one other thing on the anchorages conversation which

[0:11:39] Voice 4: was super frustrating actually i was deeply frustrated with that conversation i think i

[0:11:45] Voice 4: expressed my frustration quite clearly um so i basically told transport canada that there should

[0:11:53] Voice 4: should be no anchorages in the southern gulf islands and like they should figure that out

[0:11:57] Voice 4: so um because it isn't our jurisdiction for that to sort out the anchors it's our jurisdiction to

[0:12:03] Voice 4: tell them they shouldn't be anchoring here and

[0:12:05] Voice 4: so you know it's a complicated issue my father was

[0:12:10] Voice 4: a marine pilot i get it you know but at the same time if we really are a special area why are we

[0:12:17] Voice 4: anchoring deep sea ships here so um and i'd love to hear actually from community members how they

[0:12:23] Voice 4: feel about that because i've heard a lot from people who are like don't anchor here i'm curious

[0:12:28] Voice 4: if anybody's like yes we should totally have people anchor here that lives here i would really

[0:12:31] Voice 4: love to know that and why um so i think that's it for now we have a lot of different moving pieces

[0:12:38] Voice 4: on a lot of different levels right now on the trust and it can get really confusing

[0:12:42] Voice 3: if you're

[0:12:43] Voice 4: you know have questions about that texting me is a really good method um phoning me right now is a

[0:12:49] Voice 4: little complicated because i have a very complicated work life right now too so i will

[0:12:53] Voice 4: be traveling for the next three weeks but i will respond to all the facts so definitely feel free

[0:12:58] Voice 4: to do that okay

[0:12:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's it for me thank you before i get started my report pat if you don't mind to

[0:13:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): turn turn your video off and then when you need to talk to us if you could turn your video on then i

[0:13:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): can when you when i see you show up on the screen and i'll think to pause so that would be helpful

[0:13:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): helpful for me so thank you um yeah thank you for your

[0:13:18] Voice 3: reports uh uh

[0:13:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): can you find your video

[0:13:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): should be the lower left hand side um okay um yes the trust policy statement uh engagement is

[0:13:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): ongoing you should have received a flyer which has some information here on north pender uh there

[0:13:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): are going to be some in-person events that you have an opportunity to go to on tuesday april 12th

[0:13:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): from 10 30 to 2 30 it'll be a booth at the driftwood center and then on april 12th from

[0:13:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): 6 to 8 p.m there's going to be a drop-in not right here at the bank hall so please take time

[0:13:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): as always do it in writing but if you'd like to meet in person there's an opportunity to come and

[0:14:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): be heard and dialogue on on your ideas for the trust policy statement we do want to hear from

[0:14:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): you it's important and um participating in those events um as

[0:14:19] Voice 1: we just had our

[0:14:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): executive meeting

[0:14:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): just yesterday and uh uh uh having had a chance to speak to my fellow trustees

[0:14:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): set up this equipment in a hurry this morning uh we did ask that a resolution without meeting

[0:14:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): being called to call a special meeting trust council to discuss next uh you know next steps

[0:14:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): so there was a motion that was uh table and whether what to do next with the governance

[0:14:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): report. We do recognize that trustees are eager to work on the governance report. And so we'll see if hopefully Trust Council will support getting a special meeting call to talk about just the next steps of getting getting that going. So I just wanted you to know that you to know that we are taking this very seriously. And that's my report. Okay, so this is your time to talk.

[0:15:14] We always ask that you speak to us, your three local trust committee members.

[0:15:20] Talk to issues, not people.

[0:15:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know you'll be respectful.

[0:15:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I will not run a clock, but if you're carrying on, I may ask you to wrap up.

[0:15:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): And if there is one application that's on the agenda today, if you're the applicant and you're here, is the applicant here, by the way?

[0:15:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes, thanks.

[0:15:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): you are going to be able to have your time to speak to us when we consider your application

[0:15:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): later you don't need to speak to us during the town hall so with that uh is there anyone who'd

[0:15:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): like to talk to us today hi robert if you if you could come maybe forward so that the microphone

[0:15:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): has a chance of hearing it's a good microphone but uh you just step forward i think then you

[0:16:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): can be behind it okay fine thank you uh

[0:16:08] Voice 8: thanks for this opportunity um i'm here on behalf of

[0:16:12] Voice 8: the tender housing coalition um we spoke in december january meetings about the

[0:16:21] Voice 8: rv tiny house issue and there was a number of related things but in that we requested that the

[0:16:29] Voice 8: trust passed a resolution requesting staff or asking staff to work with the coalition

[0:16:37] Voice 8: to look at all the issues right now that prevents people from living in RVs,

[0:16:44] Voice 8: either on their own property, renting to a third party, or in an RV park.

[0:16:49] Voice 8: And so that's my request today.

[0:16:53] And I apologize.

[0:16:56] I sent this out late last night, and I don't even know if you've had a chance to read it.

[0:17:01] So I'll try and be brief and just follow it.

[0:17:09] Trustee McConchie (probable): Rob, you sent it at 4.26. What time is your bedtime?

[0:17:13] Voice 4: Were you up at 7

[0:17:14] Trustee McConchie (probable): .30?

[0:17:16] Voice 4: We could have just talked on the phone.

[0:17:20] Voice 8: Well, the time, it's the same with August.

[0:17:25] Voice 8: There's the next meeting.

[0:17:29] Voice 8: Anyway, so there's some reasons why I think you should look at it.

[0:17:34] Voice 8: But people who are living, and there's more and more all the time, and RVs are tiny homes, are really worried about what's going to happen to them.

[0:17:44] It's their home. It's uncertain. They know there has been the prosecution of a couple of people, and

[0:17:52] Voice 8: that's, you know, you pass some resolutions on that, but they don't know how long it's going to last.

[0:17:58] Voice 8: And so we're dealing with real people and their homes, and there's more and more, because my view, talking to people in the community, despite all the other things that the trust is doing, housing has jumped up.

[0:18:14] Voice 8: The only analogy I can make is the war in the Ukraine has pushed everything else off, but it's significant where it's pushing aside in the public's mind discussions, other discussions that are worthwhile and necessary. I'm not saying they aren't.

[0:18:34] Voice 8: um the crd i've made representations on behalf of the coalition dave howe has said he supports

[0:18:42] Voice 8: that he's spoken with crd staff they're hung up on from their jurisdictional point of view

[0:18:50] Voice 8: that they need um the province to change the building code uh requirements we're going to

[0:18:57] Voice 8: to make a presentation to the province on this matter.

[0:19:02] And so I think now the CRD will then have to go through

[0:19:08] its processes as well.

[0:19:09] Voice 8: But if the province changes its mind on that,

[0:19:13] Voice 8: then

[0:19:13] Voice 3: all of a sudden the ball will start to roll again

[0:19:16] Voice 3: with them.

[0:19:20] Voice 3: I think you're aware of the

[0:19:22] Voice 8: rental housing report

[0:19:24] Voice 8: that the province authorized and came out last summer.

[0:19:30] Voice 8: One of the critical things, there's an unusual long report, is from the province's point of view, they're concerned that local governments, which put in this circumstances also includes the trust, are slowing things down, and they're going to pass legislation in the fall.

[0:19:49] How that's going to work, what's going to be in it, I don't know.

[0:19:52] but it's

[0:19:54] Voice 8: obviously risen and they're the senior authority as far as your jurisdiction goes so

[0:20:01] Voice 8: they can make changes if they want the coalition's suggestion is to get ahead of the curve okay so

[0:20:10] Voice 8: if the province does do that you can say well we're working with the coalition we're reviewing

[0:20:16] Voice 8: doing our bylaws we're in tune right i i think that's that's important um because i know that

[0:20:24] Voice 8: i'm not asking to approve it okay i realize that's not on that you have there's a requirement

[0:20:31] Voice 8: to go through things but it's important that you

[0:20:33] Voice 3: get that going in regard to the preserve and

[0:20:42] Voice 8: protection issues with uh that you're going through with the policy statement i saw very

[0:20:50] Voice 8: very little in that what I haven't read at all but I tried to follow up on it there's mention

[0:20:55] Voice 8: in my review about housing unfortunately with you housing is an important part and

[0:21:03] Voice 8: um it's it's a fundamental issue here when I came here I liked it I liked all the trees I

[0:21:11] Voice 8: like the nature and and I looked around the community size was nice there's the pressure

[0:21:17] Voice 8: to build more and more and that's that's something you're dealing with all the

[0:21:22] Voice 8: time but what I'm saying is that you want to look at a way to deal with that

[0:21:29] Voice 8: pressure because it's not going to go away to deal with it in an environmentally

[0:21:33] Voice 8: sensible rational way one of the things I'm suggesting is that tiny homes and

[0:21:40] Voice 8: rbs merit a lot of discussion on this they take less um inputs to uh build as opposed to a thousand

[0:21:52] Voice 8: two thousand square foot home they supply a market that's not low income but lower middle class

[0:21:59] Voice 8: working people income so there's a lot of merits for to deal with the pressures that you're going

[0:22:06] Voice 8: going to be under you don't want to be overwhelmed with this because you know i like i like the

[0:22:13] community without

[0:22:14] Voice 8: getting too big myself you know i'm in this tug and pull back and forth myself on

[0:22:19] Voice 8: this

[0:22:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): rob can i ask a question just what

[0:22:21] Voice 8: are you asking

[0:22:22] Trustee McConchie (probable): of the ltc today i'm

[0:22:24] Voice 8: asking you to pass

[0:22:24] Voice 8: the resolution to have staff work with the coalition to look at all the bylaws that don't

[0:22:31] Voice 8: allow rvs and tiny homes and come up with some um information to the trust if you're going to

[0:22:40] Voice 8: allow it you're going to have to do this this and this can i just pause you just for

[0:22:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): a second yes

[0:22:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): the

[0:22:44] Voice 8: current trust committee policy

[0:22:47] Trustee McConchie (probable): is that file enforcement has

[0:22:50] Trustee McConchie (probable): is on a temporary clause of enforcement of travel trailers is that correct that's right

[0:22:54] Trustee McConchie (probable): so we so you're the rob rob is roughly understanding you're asking to work with staff

[0:23:01] Trustee McConchie (probable): to go through bylaws so

[0:23:02] Voice 8: we're pushing to change them to allow them right and but i appreciate

[0:23:08] Voice 8: the trust has a duty before you change what you're saying that the bylaws should be reviewed

[0:23:12] Voice 8: yeah it should be reviewed we will be pushing to have it changed to allow them okay

[0:23:18] Trustee McConchie (probable): i'm trying to

[0:23:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): help you so yes it wouldn't that be not be a project it

[0:23:22] Voice 5: would be a project so this is something

[0:23:24] Voice 5: that the ltc could put on their projects list right

[0:23:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): and how many projects what list do we have

[0:23:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): how many projects usually are capacity staff well

[0:23:32] Voice 5: it's the top priorities which are the projects

[0:23:36] Voice 5: that are we're currently working on and that there should be no more than three but you can have as

[0:23:40] Voice 5: many projects on the projects list those are just waiting to be worked on so the ltc could

[0:23:45] Voice 5: put that on the projects list so can we just

[0:23:48] Voice 5: flag that conversation

[0:23:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): when we get to the project list

[0:23:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): but but i could also robert i knew that the issues that you mentioned about the province

[0:23:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): another issue related to the timings on wheels and the codes related to those the housing task

[0:24:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): force onslaught is working on that issue as well so and i know other islands are so there's some

[0:24:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): mass uh working on that issue that well and i think that's

[0:24:14] Voice 8: great because you know we don't

[0:24:16] Voice 8: need to recreate the wheel and and that would make the job here for this trust a lot easier

[0:24:22] Voice 8: here because we can bring all that information in we

[0:24:25] Voice 4: can introduce you yeah so can i pause us

[0:24:27] Voice 4: because i think we understand the argument we just need to work out the project listing

[0:24:32] Voice 4: i

[0:24:32] Voice 3: appreciate that yeah um yes

[0:24:40] Voice 8: and i mean we're pushing to have a fast track okay and but i

[0:24:44] Voice 8: appreciate that you have other pressures can you clarify to what the coalition is

[0:24:50] what is the coalition the coalition is just a group of people who are concerned about this issue

[0:24:56] Voice 8: it's not an incorporated entity it's just people who support this and it's not an associated with

[0:25:01] Voice 8: the pender housing society you guys are not associated no no i'm not direct i mean we

[0:25:07] Voice 8: support any housing initiatives okay but we're focused on this

[0:25:11] Voice 8: anything else robert well i'm asking whether we

[0:25:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): will consider it later in the meeting so

[0:25:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah

[0:25:20] Voice 8: okay we hear you okay very good speaking yeah thank

[0:25:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): you for your time all right thank

[0:25:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you very much robert anyone else that would like to talk to us just ask if you could walk

[0:25:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): forward so we can pick you up on the microphone anyone else sure if you could say your name

[0:25:41] Voice 4: you

[0:25:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): do

[0:25:43] Voice 4: have problems hi

[0:25:46] Voice 9: hi good morning uh my name is dale hennings i'm sure i'm supposed to address

[0:25:50] Voice 9: uh trustees um first item that i would like to discuss um is in relation to

[0:25:58] Voice 9: a um a short-term vacation rental there's an item i i don't have

[0:26:05] Voice 9: the uh

[0:26:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): if this is about our bylaw

[0:26:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): um is this about the bylaw yes i

[0:26:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): we are possible and so we can't receive any more information on

[0:26:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): that if you have something writing you'd give to staff but uh we have to cover our ears um because

[0:26:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're post-public hearing on that bylaw okay

[0:26:25] Voice 9: i'm going to use this i'm sure you're familiar with

[0:26:28] Voice 9: what it is and the power that it carries is it still i

[0:26:32] Voice 9: want to speak and i'm going to speak

[0:26:35] Voice 9: and on this dale and is it still about the bylaw this is in regards to wording and it's on the

[0:26:43] Voice 9: discussion for this morning and i would like to identify that an email has been sent it isn't

[0:26:50] Voice 9: writing however i'd like to confirm that item 6.4.15 the wording should be changed because

[0:26:59] Voice 9: the way it is written is that it's

[0:27:01] Voice 9: unenforceable yeah it doesn't

[0:27:05] Voice 9: matter you're going against what

[0:27:07] Voice 9: you started out with and that's

[0:27:09] Voice 4: why i have

[0:27:10] Voice 9: talking stick and

[0:27:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know the power of the

[0:27:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): can

[0:27:13] Voice 9: stay and i'm sorry i am going to override you on this issue i would

[0:27:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): like to change the

[0:27:19] Voice 9: wording that's on

[0:27:20] Voice 9: there regardless of any other conditions trust committee consider it appropriate

[0:27:29] Voice 9: i

[0:27:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): am trying to get his attention dale i understand but you have to understand

[0:27:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): the rules that we have to abide by as well we cannot receive any more information regarding

[0:27:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): I've

[0:27:41] Voice 9: already said my piece. Thank you very much, Heather.

[0:27:44] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:27:45] Voice 9: There's one other item that I would like to identify on here, and this is the input that the Islands Trust has taken during their surveys and the virtual community workshops.

[0:27:59] In the surveys, you have questions that have two subject matters in one question, and you're asking for one answer.

[0:28:09] For example,

[0:28:10] Voice 9: the question could be in relation to climate change and reconciliation.

[0:28:18] Voice 9: And in that case, you're asking for, do you support, yes or no, reconciliation and climate change?

[0:28:27] Voice 9: But what if you support reconciliation, but you don't support climate change?

[0:28:32] Voice 9: You can't accurately answer that question.

[0:28:34] Voice 9: It was identified in the community workshop that I attended that ISL engineering, we asked

[0:28:45] Voice 9: them who put together the questions.

[0:28:48] Voice 9: And ISL engineering came back and said they did not put the wording in the questions.

[0:28:55] Voice 9: The wording was provided by the Islands Trust.

[0:28:59] Voice 9: And I said, well, why does the Islands Trust have two subject matters in one question?

[0:29:06] Voice 9: So if you are supportive of reconciliation, but you're maybe not supportive of affordable housing, you can't answer that question accurately.

[0:29:15] Voice 9: So the questions in your survey and also with the community workshop, they're irrelevant.

[0:29:26] Voice 9: They're not being answered appropriately or correctly.

[0:29:33] So if somebody, you have to change those questions.

[0:29:36] Voice 9: there's one subject in each question and your response has to be as a yes or a no

[0:29:43] Voice 9: so are you in favor of reconciliation yes or no check the appropriate box

[0:29:48] Voice 9: if you're in favor of climate change yes or no check the appropriate box

[0:29:52] Voice 9: we

[0:29:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): understand your concerns with the survey um and the survey is just one method in which

[0:30:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay,

[0:30:01] Voice 9: but your survey is not accurate and it's biased.

[0:30:04] Voice 4: I'm just going to continue point of ordering right now because I just, you know, we did hear you, okay, but what we're not doing right now is an argument.

[0:30:12] Voice 9: Well, that's okay. I've said my piece. It's on the record. All the rest of it, you're, as far as I'm concerned, you're not compliant with this.

[0:30:21] Voice 9: You're having a biased survey, which is not representative.

[0:30:24] Voice 9: You're

[0:30:25] Voice 4: now in an argument, Chair.

[0:30:26] Voice 9: I understand.

[0:30:27] Voice 4: Okay. So can I just respond? Yeah. Okay. So the survey was debated at Trust Council, because that very issue was brought up at Trust Council, because the questions were of concern to many of the trustees.

[0:30:42] Voice 4: So that has been noted by ISL or ILS, the consultant, and multiple forms of data are being sought to make sure that that issue is mitigated. And so it's a known problem.

[0:30:58] Voice 4: Thank you. Anyone

[0:30:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): else who wishes to address us? Michael, or someone before you? I'm sorry.

[0:31:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I just,

[0:31:06] Voice 4: I feel the need to just state that this space is a safe space that we can come and we can talk, but we have rules here, and those rules are quite clear, and they need to be enforced by the chair.

[0:31:19] Voice 4: so one of the reasons that i lobbied originally when when i was a trustee for us to be up in the

[0:31:24] Voice 4: hall was so that we could have people removed by the police if they were not agreeing with the

[0:31:29] Voice 4: rules of the meeting this is a public meeting there are rules that govern it so that everybody

[0:31:34] Voice 4: feels safe and respected okay so if you don't like that and obviously there are disagreements

[0:31:41] Voice 4: on how to do that talk to us about it outside of the meeting in a way that we can actually adjust

[0:31:46] Voice 4: the practices don't be arguing in the meeting like that it creates disrespectful fearful spaces for

[0:31:51] Voice 4: our community and i don't wish to have that as part of this work thank

[0:31:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): you if i can just add

[0:31:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): something to your patrick one thing i think some community members forget is you're trying to

[0:32:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): convince the trustees to agree with your opinion so try to approach making an argument in that

[0:32:08] Trustee McConchie (probable): perspective so we are very open to listening to all opinions this trust committee is nothing but

[0:32:16] Trustee McConchie (probable): responsible i would say with regards to listening to opinions but you're trying to convince us of a

[0:32:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): point here it doesn't help your process to do what i just witnessed here it doesn't convince me

[0:32:28] Trustee McConchie (probable): it doesn't help the process doesn't help our island community but that said i do agree that

[0:32:34] Trustee McConchie (probable): there's passions with every issue we have the reason why we have this process in place is to

[0:32:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): try and tone it down a bit because i as you see in many issues throughout the world the tone is quite

[0:32:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): high and that's why i really respect this process of our local trust committee i respect the work

[0:32:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): of chair patrick in order to just have a logical uh not as a motion-driven conversation so uh

[0:32:57] Trustee McConchie (probable): just with that said i'd like i'd like to hear from other members of the community if possible

[0:33:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): thank

[0:33:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): you all right who would like to speak next all right michael come on forward michael's good

[0:33:11] Voice 10: can i speak with mine yes

[0:33:13] Voice 3: yes okay yeah

[0:33:16] Voice 2: good morning um i'd like to speak to issues on the land use by the law review i sent in a letter

[0:33:23] Voice 2: early on with several topics um and then now i've seen the draft land use bottle language um and

[0:33:32] Voice 2: i'd like to suggest that and i think this came from chair patrick or i think um that where land

[0:33:40] Voice 2: these bylaws are overly and from the public point of view unnecessarily restrictive um they almost

[0:33:50] beg non

[0:33:52] Voice 2: -compliance and bylaw enforcement which the trust doesn't have money for and it is complaint

[0:33:58] Voice 2: driven and it is selective um i'll mention a couple of points that i think um don't help

[0:34:07] Voice 2: and could be amended fairly simply one is the restriction on the use of land where there is

[0:34:15] Voice 2: no principal residence or in the case of rural and agriculture use and i believe that it would

[0:34:23] Voice 2: assist the environment to do the minimum to that land and allow people to hold it for a good time

[0:34:31] Voice 2: provided they can make some reasonable small use of it unobtrusive use and if one allowed

[0:34:37] Voice 2: structures on say two or three percent of that land i think it would help i asked the local

[0:34:45] Voice 2: trust committee at the beginning of term if the land use bylaw could be amended to do that and

[0:34:53] Voice 2: the response was devastating it was a sledgehammer and that was the end of that and now there's a

[0:35:00] Voice 2: land use bylaw review and there's an opportunity to change that. I do think that is worth serious

[0:35:06] Voice 2: consideration. It is not just myself that is in that situation and I know of many who will never

[0:35:13] Voice 2: speak out for fear of bylaw enforcement who use land contrary to the bylaw. It doesn't help

[0:35:22] Voice 2: and I repeat two or three percent or one percent of the land is unlikely to have serious effect

[0:35:30] Voice 2: whereas building a house or a principal use does far more so can we keep some of that land

[0:35:36] Voice 2: in moderate use and it would intrinsically preserve and protect it and the second point

[0:35:47] Voice 2: is the required requirement for vegetative screening and I have containers on my property

[0:35:53] Voice 2: I've put a fence up, which I look for a rural style fence, and then I put trees in front of it.

[0:36:02] Voice 2: Unfortunately, the existing trees, the older trees, which give an excellent screen in the summer but not in the winter, shade the new trees, and they are going to grow maybe in 20 years, maybe not at all.

[0:36:15] Voice 2: and yet the bylaw says not a fence or it doesn't preclude a fence but it does require that

[0:36:23] Voice 2: vegetative screen by the bylaw to be uh to eliminate the view of the shipping containers

[0:36:32] Voice 2: um that means really putting in trees um fully grown and then hoping they'll survive with no

[0:36:41] Voice 2: light whatever um

[0:36:42] Voice 2: that there should be some flexibility in that by law to achieve the

[0:36:46] Voice 2: the purpose and that is to screen the land use um and the fencing bottle could be amended to

[0:36:53] Voice 2: accomplish that um and the third point i'd like to raise is a new one um and it just so happens

[0:37:04] Voice 2: that we have a professional hvac am i correct the term educator in the audience i was sitting

[0:37:11] Voice 2: the side. Some years ago a geothermal installation was made on North Bender, a very big house and a

[0:37:21] Voice 2: very big ocean-based heat exchange system, and it was done by a contractor with, I think he said,

[0:37:32] Voice 2: five days education in geothermal loops. Anecdotally, although I think it's correct,

[0:37:39] Voice 2: correct, the system failed and it was pulled up and then replaced, and then the bylaw came

[0:37:44] Voice 2: along and had the use according to professionals in the field, in the interior, there must

[0:37:56] Voice 2: be an antifreeze in the liquid, otherwise the thing is just hopelessly inefficient.

[0:38:02] Voice 2: The question is which antifreeze and how safe is the system in the ocean, and that should

[0:38:08] Voice 2: should be done by a registered professional engineer.

[0:38:11] Voice 2: I'm not being quite a joidy, I happen to be an engineer,

[0:38:14] Voice 2: but there's a reason for four years of education

[0:38:19] Voice 2: and this is a safety reason.

[0:38:22] Voice 2: And there is an excellent company in the interior,

[0:38:26] Voice 2: I repeat, who does this, has been doing it for 20 years.

[0:38:30] Voice 2: And a phone call would give the requisite

[0:38:33] Voice 2: professional designation.

[0:38:35] Voice 2: And please amend that bylaw.

[0:38:37] Voice 2: it is not safe it's happened once i don't know whether whether antifreeze got into the ocean

[0:38:43] Voice 2: but let's not have it happen again thanks thank

[0:38:47] Voice 4: you for a quick question um i i have a question

[0:38:52] Voice 4: about the structures i thought in our conversations online that we had um talked about a lot of small

[0:38:59] Voice 4: structures part of the building is that one small structure okay that's currently that's

[0:39:04] Voice 4: okay okay that's helpful um and then one

[0:39:07] Voice 4: other quick comment the compliance agreement my

[0:39:10] Voice 4: understanding is that compliance agreements when the bylaw is is not so bylaws are aspirational

[0:39:16] Voice 4: like that's where we're hoping to get to like you know sometimes we know that there's a process to

[0:39:21] Voice 4: get there like with vegetative screening so my understanding is that compliance agreements if

[0:39:26] Voice 4: there's a bylaw infraction can can name a timeline for like free to grow kind of situations from what

[0:39:33] Voice 5: i've seen yes but that would warren's gonna warren dickman's gonna join us a little bit

[0:39:37] Voice 5: later so he can answer that okay

[0:39:39] Voice 4: because that might

[0:39:41] Voice 4: be like it's hard to put all detail into

[0:39:43] Voice 4: a bylaw but often like what can happen is you can like just have standing policies that these types

[0:39:49] Voice 4: of things would go into um compliance agreements yeah okay okay

[0:39:55] Voice 3: thank you hi good morning trustees

[0:40:02] Voice 3: please. My name

[0:40:05] Voice 15: is Mick Collins, long-term, part-time resident of Magic Lake Estates and

[0:40:13] Voice 15: following the Trust now for close to 50 years. Just a couple of things this morning. I attended

[0:40:22] Voice 15: the last two meetings online of the LUB review and there was a lot of good input and I'm sure

[0:40:31] Voice 15: to get reflected in some way and reflected upon um i followed it up with uh

[0:40:39] Voice 15: a one-page email uh half was which is on the record uh it went to the trustees

[0:40:46] Voice 15: half of it was on the content of the lub half of it was on the broader context of the

[0:40:52] Voice 15: islands trust act so i'm just going to make a few comments this morning particularly in the light of

[0:41:01] Voice 15: the governance review and what's in the driftwood paper which is two pages on planning component of

[0:41:09] Voice 15: the trust and the governance component so it's certainly a kind of hot topic right now

[0:41:16] um i took the time to actually reread

[0:41:20] Voice 15: the act so i think for all trustees and

[0:41:25] Voice 15: and everybody who lives on the island,

[0:41:27] Voice 15: it takes about 10 minutes.

[0:41:31] Voice 15: And a few things struck me.

[0:41:38] Voice 15: And some of those are picked up in the government's report.

[0:41:43] Voice 15: One of the statements in the driftwood

[0:41:45] Voice 15: is that the Act made it clear

[0:41:48] Voice 15: that the trust had been set up as an agency of the province.

[0:41:56] Voice 15: That's the main intent of the Act,

[0:41:58] Voice 15: a special agency it was given three powers it's given some money not a lot of money not enough

[0:42:07] Voice 15: enough money by far so as the trust evolves it has to find some sustainable funding coming from

[0:42:18] Voice 15: the province of british columbia in particular to do its job or else we're going to keep going

[0:42:26] Voice 15: into budget situations and everything else and the world is more complex than it was 50 years ago

[0:42:34] Voice 15: and the population is greater and the pressures are greater the second tool that was given to

[0:42:42] Voice 15: the trust was a word cooperation you might translate that today to be collaboration

[0:42:51] Voice 15: collaboration, roundtables, lab solutions, things like the gentleman was talking about

[0:42:58] Voice 15: housing.

[0:42:59] Voice 15: Housing is an issue all over the islands.

[0:43:03] Voice 15: Perhaps the collaboration element through some process that the trust can get involved

[0:43:10] Voice 15: with could actually work on the issues as much as the fine print in the LUB.

[0:43:19] Voice 15: big. The third element was land use planning and according to the government's review it occupies

[0:43:29] Voice 15: about 75% of the staff resources maybe even more. That wasn't the only tool so I think

[0:43:40] Voice 15: going forward we need to see a rebalancing of those three tools. Obviously the door was open

[0:43:48] Voice 15: and for the Trust to go back and seek some more resources,

[0:43:54] Voice 15: more cooperation from agencies.

[0:43:58] Voice 15: And the other agency of cooperation is obviously the CRD,

[0:44:02] Voice 15: which has a vital role in parks, recreation, waste management,

[0:44:10] Voice 15: lots of things that the Trust has, to some extent, got involved with.

[0:44:15] Voice 15: So I agree 100% with the major emphasis of the Trust being on the environment.

[0:44:22] Voice 15: When you read the Act, it talks about history, heritage, unique amenities, whatever they are.

[0:44:31] Voice 15: I think what they mean is community for the benefit of the residents, the part-time residents

[0:44:38] Voice 15: of the people of British Columbia. So it's going to be challenging going forward. There's only six

[0:44:44] Voice 15: six months left on your mandate, usually people are coming in by activation because these

[0:44:51] Voice 15: are not the most popular jobs. So I really wanted to basically use this opportunity to

[0:45:00] Voice 15: thank staff and the trustees for really, I think, doing a pretty good job under difficult

[0:45:10] Voice 15: circumstances and representing some of these ideas that I'm not brilliant, but I've been

[0:45:17] Voice 15: thinking this stuff for years. I didn't need a $75,000 governance report to tell me some

[0:45:24] Voice 3: of this stuff.

[0:45:26] Voice 15: And in closing, I work 20 hours a week as a volunteer elsewhere in the

[0:45:32] Voice 15: Capital Regional District on Parks and Environmental Matters. I've been involved in

[0:45:37] Voice 15: raising one way or another in collaboration over three million dollars worth of things this stuff

[0:45:45] Voice 15: can be done but we have to think start thinking ourselves as facilitators enablers helping people

[0:45:54] Voice 15: to do the right thing and a little less on regulations enforcement so let's try and

[0:46:03] Voice 15: rebalance the trust and let's get on with working on some of the issues and spend a little less

[0:46:09] Voice 15: time on endless playing around with fine print we've really gotta get out of the trees and see

[0:46:17] Voice 15: the forest thank you very much thank

[0:46:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): you thank you anyone else that wishes to address us your

[0:46:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): comments and and suggestions and words are always welcome your trustees want to hear from you

[0:46:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): please reach out to them individually reach out to us via email you can always send your email to

[0:46:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): south info at islandstrust.bc.ca and staff will make sure that all the trustees see

[0:46:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): the your emails as well so thank you very much for taking the time to be here today for those

[0:46:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): of us joining us through the video or watching it later it's important to participate and

[0:47:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh and uh so forth okay trustees we'll carry on with our agenda then um we have minutes from our

[0:47:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): february 24th meeting are there any um corrections uh to those i noticed there we did receive an

[0:47:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): email yes

[0:47:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): i'm the treacherous uh she mentioned that uh it's in correspondence and she had

[0:47:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): concerns over how the comments were depicted on the february 24th regular meeting and i'm not sure

[0:47:30] Trustee McConchie (probable): we need to amend that uh but she really clearly wanted to uh have her points clarified i'm not

[0:47:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): sure what the process is i've never had someone write an email correctly in a minute well the

[0:47:43] Voice 5: minutes are more so a summary and shouldn't be dictating exactly what each person has said so

[0:47:48] Voice 5: it's up to the lgc if they want to admit those minutes sandra's

[0:47:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): written lots of correspondence

[0:47:53] Trustee McConchie (probable): to this local trust committee so uh i think i'm not sure we

[0:47:57] Voice 5: can bring the minutes back if you like

[0:47:58] Voice 5: so i'm going to take a look at them so it's not about them right now okay all right so do you need

[0:48:06] Voice 5: a motion or anything

[0:48:07] Voice 3: on that uh

[0:48:10] Voice 5: maybe a motion to bring both sets of minutes um back to the next

[0:48:18] Voice 5: ltc

[0:48:18] Trustee McConchie (probable): that'd be great i mean considering some of the issues we've been dealing with with minutes

[0:48:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): it might be worthwhile yeah

[0:48:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'd like to make that motion i

[0:48:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): make the motion that we defer approval

[0:48:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): approval of the minutes to the next local trust committee meeting yeah

[0:48:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's I don't know what I

[0:48:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): said did you hear that resolution uh

[0:48:41] Voice 6: basically to defer the approval of minutes um I believe

[0:48:46] Voice 6: it's February 24th to next meeting both

[0:48:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): sets on March 12th as well on March 12th both sets

[0:48:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you is that seconded by Trustee Morrison any discussion I'll call the vote all those in

[0:49:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): favor and that's carried okay um so we have the resolutions without meeting here on february

[0:49:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): 22nd that's here primarily for our information uh that gets us to the follow-up action list on page

[0:49:18] 18.1

[0:49:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): on the agenda are there any questions for staff or anything something we're going to talk

[0:49:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): anything that uh planner stockdale please talk about all right uh so that brings us to the next

[0:49:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): item of business i think there's just a piece of correspondence here the electoral boundaries

[0:49:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): commission notice so that the it's just a piece of correspondence that they are looking at the

[0:49:47] uh this is for the bc

[0:49:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh electoral areas uh just are here for information because we were aware of

[0:49:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): that can

[0:49:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): i uh just interrupt chair patrick i just received a couple correspondence from folks that

[0:50:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): are trying to attend online the meeting yeah so they can i don't think uh because it's the third

[0:50:06] Trustee McConchie (probable): person now i don't

[0:50:08] Trustee McConchie (probable): think folks understand that you you can't attend and make comments under the

[0:50:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): current configuration right now correct so i'm wondering is there any is that just the way it's

[0:50:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): going to be i think islanders just want to know if that's going to be the way it is or what's what's

[0:50:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): the plan

[0:50:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is not permanent we've been as you can imagine through this pandemic uh responding

[0:50:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): to on off on off on in-person meetings this is a a trial of this system that we're in right now

[0:50:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): and then the staff are going to be evaluating and coming back with next steps

[0:50:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): for how to move forward

[0:50:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): so does anyone have an idea of when there are people because there's

[0:50:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): people from off island right are noted notifying me in particular i'm not sure about the trust

[0:50:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): courses but like miss the ferry or it's really hard to get to pender right now etc etc but i

[0:51:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): want to attend the meeting and have my say so do are we saying just hold out for a couple months

[0:51:04] Trustee McConchie (probable): or what should i tell islanders i guess if

[0:51:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): you want to have your say until we until we change

[0:51:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): out of the system please send an email or correspondence about your comment and you

[0:51:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): could always ask a

[0:51:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): trustee to read it during town hall if it was something that was of

[0:51:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): importance to you that you felt you wanted it to be

[0:51:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): read out well i did receive correspondence at

[0:51:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): 10 15 today can you please add this comment to the record and this is an unknown brave new world

[0:51:33] Trustee McConchie (probable): here that's why i'm kind of asking clarification on because um i mean i don't think folks understand

[0:51:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): they can't attend the meeting we don't have a timeline on when they can attend the meeting

[0:51:43] Trustee McConchie (probable): virtually we've taken a democratic process that was in place and that we're taking in a way leading

[0:51:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): to kind of some inconsistencies and maybe people would have planned their day differently uh

[0:51:53] Trustee McConchie (probable): so uh i just want to recognize the people listening online

[0:51:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): that uh we're working on getting

[0:51:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): that attending button again so people can attend watch the live stream and intended person i think

[0:52:03] Trustee McConchie (probable): that just need to be clarified if that's okay yep okay we do

[0:52:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): intend i think we all dream of having

[0:52:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): that style of meeting uh just do you want to have the chair trying to do all this at one time

[0:52:14] Voice 4: yeah and we'll need to think that through exactly because we can distribute that yeah and and you

[0:52:19] Voice 4: know we are in the trust problem given ben's what it was in january of the first you know year of

[0:52:26] Voice 4: our term of like trying to get virtual meetings in play so like we're the one who's going to push on

[0:52:32] Voice 4: it if we want it so we're happy to help in any way we need to okay

[0:52:36] Trustee McConchie (probable): sorry i just wanted to pause just

[0:52:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): because uh to the concern in real time okay

[0:52:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh so that brings us to the applications to referrals

[0:52:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh we have the first uh application at 13.1 it's a development permit um it's on page 24 of our

[0:52:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): agenda package and

[0:52:56] Voice 5: i will turn the floor over to planner stockville thank you chair patrick

[0:52:59] Voice 5: I'm going to go over this staff report on behalf of Planner Testimel, who was unable to be here today.

[0:53:05] Voice 5: The purpose of this DP is to authorize land alteration and tree removal within the development permit area for a woodland ecosystem.

[0:53:15] Voice 5: Approximately 90% of the subject property, the vacant property, is designated with this DPA.

[0:53:22] Voice 5: So it covers the majority of the property.

[0:53:25] Voice 5: property. As part of the proposal or the scope of the development, there will be a total

[0:53:32] Voice 5: of eight trees to be removed, six mature Douglas fir and two Arbutus trees. This is for the

[0:53:41] Voice 5: siting of a dwelling unit, septic disposal field and also a driveway. The owner has hired

[0:53:48] Voice 5: a biologist and provided a biologist report and they worked together to really reduce the impact

[0:53:56] Voice 5: to the sensitive ecosystem and try to locate the dwelling unit in an area that would be the least

[0:54:03] Voice 5: amount of trees removed. As I mentioned the biologist report has made recommendations to

[0:54:12] Voice 5: remove the eight trees and also for replanting there's also a list of other recommendations

[0:54:17] Voice 5: recommendations that have been included in the draft development permit.

[0:54:22] Voice 5: So based on the fact that the objective and all of the guidelines of the DPA have been

[0:54:28] Voice 5: met and the recommendations from the biologist report have been incorporated into the draft,

[0:54:34] Voice 5: DP staff are recommending approval of the issuance of this development permit.

[0:54:40] Voice 5: And that recommendation is on page 24 of the agenda.

[0:54:44] Voice 5: that and there are also alternatives the ltc can consider on page 28. thank

[0:54:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): you is the applicant

[0:54:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): here hi um you're welcome to come up front if you'd like

[0:54:56] Voice 3: and uh no that's okay

[0:55:05] Voice 3: we'll have it

[0:55:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): have a seat now you can sit down here you don't have to

[0:55:07] Voice 3: stand up thank you um

[0:55:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): is there anything

[0:55:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): you'd like to add or uh about the report or anything you'd like to say um

[0:55:15] Voice 10: she pretty much

[0:55:16] Voice 10: summed it up my goal is to leave it as natural as possible that's why i moved here and i wanted to

[0:55:22] Voice 10: within the city of the city so my goal is to build a smaller place and act as little as possible

[0:55:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right well thank you very much we're going to have some discussion we may have questions

[0:55:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): for you we may have questions for the planner so trustees over to you if

[0:55:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): you want to go first i've

[0:55:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): got specific questions um okay so my question is why this is more mainly a philosophical question

[0:55:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): perhaps you're okay with that um do you know much about the history of how they determined

[0:55:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): the development permit area like is there or maybe rob that's why i was hoping robert would

[0:55:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): be here because i don't understand why you'd put a deep 90 of a property is a dpa why didn't that

[0:56:03] Trustee McConchie (probable): become a park you know like like that is basically essentially your entire property is considered a

[0:56:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): sensitive ecosystem right kind of it's it's i just don't get why this dpa can you help with this

[0:56:18] Voice 4: so like the mapping that was used with the dpas it didn't consider property boundaries it

[0:56:23] Voice 4: considered the ecosystem so it went out and just kind of mapped the ecosystems relative to what

[0:56:28] Voice 4: they were and so property boundaries magically especially well we're already there so then what

[0:56:36] Voice 4: we have and we have had that happen with some other ones with other kinds of dps and so like

[0:56:41] Voice 4: in this situation then our responsibility is to try and figure out how to still make the property

[0:56:46] Voice 4: livable because you still need the right to be able to live on the property right and ideally

[0:56:51] Voice 4: yeah it would be great if individual property owners sold it to the parks the crd just had a

[0:56:55] Voice 4: huge lot of cash where they just threw like probably but that's not the reality of what

[0:56:59] Voice 4: we're seeing right um so but that has happened having said that that has happened with the

[0:57:06] Voice 4: the properties that were identified that way it's just hasn't been this one so but we still have an

[0:57:10] Voice 4: obligation to try and figure out how to make a little property the one that i was thinking of

[0:57:15] Voice 4: that was like that was the right carrying dpa that was down on the buck lake the house that was like

[0:57:19] Voice 4: super narrow and essentially the entire property was like riparian and so like you couldn't quote

[0:57:26] Voice 4: unquote build right so you had to make and give a variance into the dpa to be able to build yeah

[0:57:31] Voice 4: yeah

[0:57:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): right it's also it's also a way of

[0:57:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): layering on if a lot without a development permit on it

[0:57:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): if the use is intended the use is this is a way of just putting some steps of guidelines as to how

[0:57:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): to uh you get that use in a respectful way so just it

[0:57:48] Voice 4: just forces some thought before you use it so

[0:57:51] Voice 4: that's understandable yeah

[0:57:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): that makes sense i was wondering again uh you were the biologist

[0:57:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): um before yeah so if i just you're understanding from reading report the trees that are being

[0:58:01] Trustee McConchie (probable): an impact that are essentially tiny little third growth trees like i'm just wondering if you can

[0:58:06] Trustee McConchie (probable): elaborate uh because it seems as though you support the idea of the proposed uh development

[0:58:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): so i'm just wondering if you can speak to that

[0:58:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): you can you can just sit there just like the trees that are flagged here come up front and

[0:58:23] Voice 1: you

[0:58:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): can just sit here and be like you

[0:58:25] Voice 18: don't have you don't have to stand

[0:58:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's all i'm saying

[0:58:31] Voice 18: yeah the property is a designated young forest so it has a high step density so there's lots

[0:58:38] Voice 18: of little trees um so in placement of the house in conjunction with steam we had discussions

[0:58:44] Voice 18: of where to best place the house and it was in that lower not lower stand of the younger

[0:58:49] Voice 18: trees that had to come out so that was there and then the rest of the projects that we

[0:58:55] Voice 18: be put on the property you could also try to move the lower the other tree areas i don't know if

[0:59:01] Voice 18: that answers your question no no totally yes yeah yeah so it's just looking at the property as a

[0:59:05] Voice 18: whole um i think there's a few pictures under your report i don't know if you have other pictures

[0:59:09] Voice 18: it's a it's a very young forest with a few a few mature trees but it's on its way to getting a

[0:59:15] Voice 18: nice forest and with steve one not wanting to develop the whole property then i think it'll

[0:59:21] Voice 18: be a nice forest sometime i

[0:59:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): see okay great um another question i had uh the removal of any of

[0:59:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): the trees doesn't impact the here the um flow of water for any of the neighbors because well often

[0:59:34] Trustee McConchie (probable): what will happen is i get lots of emails from folks in magic lake someone just went nukes nukes

[0:59:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): a property and then now they have their basement flooded or whatever right so yeah go ahead yeah

[0:59:43] Voice 18: the slope of that property is at the back it basically slopes down to the road and it's it's

[0:59:48] Voice 18: pretty level as it's going down so any construction or any anything done to the

[0:59:54] Voice 18: property the water will flow down toward the road into the ditch so it won't affect the adjacent

[0:59:57] Voice 18: some problems

[1:00:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): and it's not like we're the proposal is not uh you know it's a development it's deemed a sensitive

[1:00:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): ecosystem from what i understand from reading the report is that these are young trees this

[1:00:12] Trustee McConchie (probable): isn't this is a massive impact on on development and that basically um sorry steve yes he's gone

[1:00:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): through the process of just working with a biologist which i think is the point of

[1:00:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): this dpa permit um so you know i i i'm fully in support of this particular application yeah i

[1:00:34] Voice 4: have a couple quick questions comments one sure so one is um you know in some ways given what's

[1:00:41] Voice 4: happened in magic lake i would love a dd like this to be everywhere so that people actually

[1:00:46] Voice 4: had to ask before they nuke their lot because that's literally the goal is not to control

[1:00:52] Voice 4: cutting every little tree it's to make sure people don't cut every single tree right so um so this is

[1:01:00] Voice 4: great and the way that it's positioned it actually also keeps forest contiguous forest in the back

[1:01:05] Voice 4: which is like a real goal which i know obviously you know i just feel like i need to name that

[1:01:09] Voice 4: yeah no that's

[1:01:11] Voice 18: part of the whole planning

[1:01:12] Voice 4: process and discussions super so really like this report

[1:01:15] Voice 4: i thought it was really respectful of the goal of the dpas so thanks for that um question about

[1:01:23] Voice 4: fire safe management and like the potential for cutting additional trees on that area because i

[1:01:29] Voice 4: do want you to know like that as you cut for a build if you decide to cut in future it's still

[1:01:35] Voice 4: in a dpa i don't want you to have to come back for an additional tree here or there because you would

[1:01:40] Voice 4: because it's in a dpa it's an unusual situation for you just given the way the property's sitting

[1:01:45] Voice 4: so most people don't have to do that because their house isn't actually in the dpa they're

[1:01:50] Voice 4: on a riparian dp and the dp is in front of them um but in your case it would be so have you

[1:01:57] Voice 4: considered like fire adjacency in the like selection of the trees that you have or like

[1:02:03] Voice 4: wind through challenges given root damage and don't around

[1:02:08] Voice 18: where the house is being constructed

[1:02:10] Voice 18: is that all the trees are really young okay anything that falls would cause any damage

[1:02:15] Voice 18: and any trees that could be on the way out it's about hiring an arborist to okay select

[1:02:21] Voice 18: the trees that may or may not be harmful to the structures okay

[1:02:25] Voice 4: yeah so i don't have any

[1:02:27] Voice 4: problem with that i just want that to be like a known issue um so yeah so i'm good to go

[1:02:33] Voice 4: ahead and make a motion yes go ahead

[1:02:37] Voice 3: if you are i

[1:02:38] Voice 4: have no questions um and like just thanks for the

[1:02:41] Voice 4: clear reporting down like it's really helpful and i appreciate it um i think of all the possible

[1:02:48] Voice 4: questions yeah you're like jeff's gonna ask me these like 18 000 questions sorry it should be

[1:02:54] Trustee McConchie (probable): noted before you make the motion remember talking to jan kirby who is a biologist for many years

[1:02:59] Trustee McConchie (probable): here i believe she was instrumental in starting getting the dpa process in place she explained

[1:03:05] Trustee McConchie (probable): to me informally like the idea is that the property owner meets with the biologist and or

[1:03:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): the planner and walks through and then says hey this is nice this is nice you should keep this

[1:03:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): did you know an owl lives here etc etc and it seems like that's exactly what you've done

[1:03:18] Trustee McConchie (probable): i mean it's a bureaucratic process and it costs money uh but at the same time it it preserves

[1:03:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): the magic lake from turning into a a tree cutting festival right yeah which unfortunately i i don't

[1:03:33] Trustee McConchie (probable): comprehend why people come to the island and clear-cut their property it's it defeats the

[1:03:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): purpose of living here i don't understand it but that's not we have different values on that but i

[1:03:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): just i just want to recognize that i appreciate you going through the process this is exactly why

[1:03:49] Trustee McConchie (probable): uh the dpa is put in place really great thank

[1:03:52] Voice 4: you and thank you for coming here for the trees

[1:03:54] Voice 19: um

[1:03:55] Voice 4: the north hender local island trust committee of provisions and development permit npdp 2021.1

[1:04:03] Voice 4: i second

[1:04:04] Voice 3: any

[1:04:05] Voice 4: discussion all

[1:04:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): those in favor that's carried so thank you very much and uh

[1:04:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh thank you for being here today

[1:04:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): thank you thank you thank you very much okay

[1:04:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): our next uh

[1:04:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): application is NPLC welcome to pender yes 22.1 it's the legion we have a report on page 75

[1:04:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): overdue planners

[1:04:33] Voice 5: doctor thank you the purpose of this staff report is to seek direction from the

[1:04:38] Voice 5: LTC on the public consultation requirement for this application to change a liquor licensing

[1:04:44] Voice 5: same designation for the Royal Canadian Legion on North Bender. The Legion has applied for

[1:04:52] Voice 5: liquor and cannabis regulation branch, we call it the LCRB, to add a new outdoor patio

[1:04:58] Voice 5: to their liquor primary license. This was a temporary allowed during COVID since July

[1:05:05] Voice 5: of 2020. And this allowance will end on June 1 2022. So now the applicant has to go through

[1:05:12] Voice 5: the process of getting approval through the lcrb um the proposal is a patio area with the capacity

[1:05:20] Voice 5: of 65 people for the use of the months from june to september so the lcrb requires the applicants

[1:05:31] Voice 5: to change their liquor license and also give notice to the local government

[1:05:37] Voice 5: As the local land use authority, the LTC is required to provide resolutions and comments

[1:05:45] Voice 5: on the application and also gather public input through a referral process.

[1:05:53] Voice 5: And the inputs should consider potential impacts such as noise, the benefit or detriment to

[1:06:01] Voice 5: local community or other views from the residents.

[1:06:05] Voice 5: There's also another option. The liquor branch does allow local governments to opt out of the commenting on specific applications, and then the LCRB would then complete the community input and comment process at the applicant's expense.

[1:06:22] Voice 5: expense the implications with this process it is that the lclb's consultation may take longer than

[1:06:30] Voice 5: the ltc's consultation process and the cost may be greater for the applicant as well to go through

[1:06:36] Voice 5: that process because of this uh the staff are making a recommendation to the ltc uh to direct

[1:06:44] Voice 5: staff to undertake notification notification and schedule a community information meeting

[1:06:48] Voice 5: meeting for the referral of this application as part of the April 28th regular meeting so

[1:06:54] Voice 5: essentially staff are recommending that the LTC take on a community consultation process rather

[1:06:59] Voice 5: than sending it to the liquor control branch to uh questions

[1:07:06] Voice 19: for you okay

[1:07:10] Voice 4: this is one of those

[1:07:11] Voice 4: cooperation not happening situations from my perspective so what I'm hearing is that the

[1:07:17] Voice 4: liquor or whatever the afternoon the liquor folks um are basically saying that we have to pay for

[1:07:25] Voice 4: the consultation process or it will cost the applicant money to pay for the application for

[1:07:31] Voice 4: the constitution process

[1:07:32] Voice 5: either way the applicant is actually paid because they're paying it through

[1:07:35] Voice 5: the application fee so the application fee they paid to the island's trust will actually cover

[1:07:41] Voice 5: the notification and also the community information meeting for

[1:07:45] Voice 4: either us running it or

[1:07:48] Voice 5: yeah okay i'm just trying

[1:07:50] Voice 4: to take on this cost okay so that's good news i feel better about that

[1:07:53] Voice 4: because that's a personal frustration for me um okay and then i totally think that it's better

[1:08:02] Voice 4: that we do it than the liquor review board just because it's part of our regular meetings people

[1:08:07] Voice 4: actually care about our meetings a little bit more than generally than the review board

[1:08:10] Voice 4: all those

[1:08:11] Voice 1: things so i would

[1:08:12] Voice 4: i would go for that um as an option having said that i also really

[1:08:17] Voice 4: need us to stress if we're doing that that we are doing that like i don't know if cooperation is the

[1:08:24] Voice 4: word i would use but we're doing that as part of not our jurisdiction because that's a bit of an

[1:08:29] Voice 4: issue that we have is people get awfully confused about what's our jurisdiction what is it and we're

[1:08:33] Voice 4: kind of conflating that by doing it in our meeting but it's better for the applicant so um what other

[1:08:42] Voice 4: information do you need from us just a notification schedule okay so we have

[1:08:46] Voice 4: the applicant here as

[1:08:47] Voice 4: well so yes

[1:08:49] Trustee McConchie (probable): yes so what can i start what is the fast so the legion needs revenue the legion needs

[1:08:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): to open their patio they're dealing with this bureaucracy unnecessarily in my opinion but

[1:09:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): here we are what is is your recommendation of staff report the fastest possible way for the

[1:09:05] Trustee McConchie (probable): legion to get their patio open in time for the sun to come out so they can have a good time and

[1:09:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): support our veterans and support our community members yes okay

[1:09:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): fabulous all right

[1:09:14] Trustee McConchie (probable): i like to

[1:09:14] Trustee McConchie (probable): make a recommendation so the north pender island local trust can be direct staff to undertake

[1:09:18] Trustee McConchie (probable): notification and schedule a community information meeting for referral application and plcb 2022.1

[1:09:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): royal canadian region as part of the april 28 2022 the regular second

[1:09:28] Voice 4: second by justin morrison

[1:09:30] Voice 4: does the applicant want to say anything

[1:09:31] Voice 4: thank

[1:09:32] Voice 6: you

[1:09:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right great in that case uh there's no discussion i'll call the vote all those in

[1:09:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): favor thank you this

[1:09:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): is happening we're having every every uh restaurant and bar that has had

[1:09:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): these uh during the pandemic we're facing this it is frustrating frustrating understand that

[1:09:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): just

[1:09:56] Voice 19: to clarify again we have paid 825 dollars

[1:10:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay yeah and we know it's at a time when all the businesses have suffered greatly during the

[1:10:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): pandemic so the province wasn't thinking this one now because

[1:10:13] Voice 19: in the back report it said new

[1:10:17] Voice 19: i know now it's considered new just because it was previously temporary they allowed a lot of

[1:10:25] Voice 19: people to have that during code right and now it's considered a new application that's how

[1:10:33] Voice 19: control board is looking at it yeah the local

[1:10:37] Voice 4: government yeah thanks for that clarification

[1:10:41] Voice 4: and sorry for that chaos of multiple levels of government that this causes yeah

[1:10:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): so thank you

[1:10:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): all

[1:10:47] Voice 18: right thank you thank

[1:10:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): you okay so our next um is uh 13.3 on the agenda page 80. this is the

[1:10:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): north pender island local trust committee bylaw number 222 for consideration for adoption staff

[1:11:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): report and the planner stock bill thank

[1:11:03] Voice 5: you i am very happy to finally present

[1:11:07] Voice 5: proposed bylaw number 222 that we've been waiting for for almost a year

[1:11:12] Voice 5: uh from the minister of municipal affairs um which finally approved the bylaw on february 17th

[1:11:19] Voice 5: 2022 and this is post public hearings so the ltc can't receive further information on this bylaw

[1:11:28] Voice 5: As part of the follow-up action list, the LTC asked staff to report back with some on-site

[1:11:34] Voice 5: fire safety with regards to issuance of TUKs, and we will report on that.

[1:11:43] Voice 5: Planner Testimels is still in current discussions with the chief, so we'll report back on that.

[1:11:48] Voice 5: So in front of you is a recommendation from staff that the LTC adopt By-law 222, and that

[1:11:56] Voice 5: would um then amend the official community plan to um include temporary use permit guidelines

[1:12:05] Voice 5: related to short-term vacations trustees

[1:12:12] Trustee McConchie (probable): um i move that the north pender island local trust

[1:12:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): committee bylaw number 222 cited as north pender island official community plan pilot number 171

[1:12:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): 2007 amendment number one 2020 be adopted is there

[1:12:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): a second by trustee

[1:12:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): morrison any discussion i just

[1:12:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): have a couple of points on me this has been a lot of work from staff to put this bylaw together

[1:12:33] Trustee McConchie (probable): um i'm aware that uh many islanders who have been running uh illegal airbnbs have been notified uh

[1:12:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): in the past month by from bylaw enforcement uh that their airbnb is not legal and the the reason

[1:12:49] Trustee McConchie (probable): why i supported this bylaw should be noted and i know i i'm not sure if i'm reflecting your views

[1:12:54] Trustee McConchie (probable): as well festival research our country but it's that we needed a system in place to find out how

[1:12:59] Trustee McConchie (probable): many stvrs there are on the island because unregulated airbnbs has led to hollowing out

[1:13:06] Trustee McConchie (probable): of communities throughout the world even in as close as whistler uh revelstoke where i spent

[1:13:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): some time uh there's literally no housing stock available to them in those areas uh and it impacts

[1:13:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): impacts businesses because they can't find places to put their employees. Now, this bylaw creates a

[1:13:25] Trustee McConchie (probable): system in which you can run a short-term vacation rental and you can legalize it. And I think that

[1:13:32] Trustee McConchie (probable): the temporary use permits that people are putting in place, like, is it fire safety? Where's the

[1:13:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): address for guests? How much water consumption are you doing? How does this impact the local

[1:13:42] Trustee McConchie (probable): Mayor Mrakas, This puts the democratic process of vacation rentals in the hands of neighborhoods and in the hands of islanders, so I have, I just want to reiterate that i'm very proud of staff are working really hard on this issue, and I think this will be to the benefit of our housing stock and finding a balance in our community with regards to tourism tourist accommodation and the needs of our so that's just what I wanted to mention on that motion.

[1:14:13] Voice 4: yeah and i would add to that i agree with all that but and i would add to that that um the

[1:14:20] Voice 4: sometimes when we talk about housing in the islands we think only about one sliver of the

[1:14:25] Voice 4: housing problem and really if we're going to address housing we actually have to look at

[1:14:29] Voice 4: all the different pieces that are impacting it and this is one of them um and i've seen it too

[1:14:34] Voice 4: in lots of different places that i've been so it allows us to really address neighborhood related

[1:14:40] Voice 4: issues to address safety and security across the islands with respect to fire risk water so i think

[1:14:46] Voice 4: all of those things are important um i also just want to like have a little happy dance moment

[1:14:51] Voice 4: i'm sure we go ahead with this because it also means that we i believe we have a space on our

[1:14:57] Voice 4: top projects list potentially i'm

[1:15:02] Voice 5: just saying we'll

[1:15:03] Voice 4: come back to that all right so i'm good

[1:15:06] Voice 4: with that all

[1:15:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): right so then move on to the next one i'm sorry

[1:15:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): zoned out for a moment okay i'd like to call the vote then all those in favor and that's

[1:15:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): kerry can i suggest a five-minute break just to get out of the way absolutely so we're just

[1:15:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to take a five-minute time out here to stretch our legs

[1:16:02] Voice 3: hi

[1:16:02] Voice 6: could you tell me how many people there are in the audience please uh there were 11 at the

[1:16:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): that i counted okay

[1:16:10] Voice 6: thank you very much and i missed some last names of people but i'm not

[1:16:16] Voice 6: sure if that's critical uh

[1:16:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): we'll work with kim kim will have those okay thank you

[1:17:24] Voice 10: I think I'm going to

[1:17:25] Voice 3: be the only one left.

[1:17:27] Voice 3: yeah that's too bad

[1:17:33] what is their solution where

[1:17:59] Voice 14: did where would they put it if they didn't come here

[1:18:04] Voice 4: oh yeah they were like well no that's not possible and like actually it is because

[1:18:08] Voice 4: you could change some of the more of this offensive files right right

[1:18:13] Voice 3: we have a live bike

[1:18:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): oh yeah that's good

[1:18:25] Voice 19: So, like, there's absolutely, it's

[1:18:27] Voice 10: just, I've always thought about that, because there's, like, they're always, they don't want to be inside.

[1:18:32] Voice 10: Yeah, the

[1:18:32] Voice 5: ones both of yours are not going to work, and it's not as hard to find, but this one is, of course, it's not up there, like,

[1:18:41] Voice 19: oh, yeah, it's right

[1:18:46] Voice 3: on the roof, too, right, especially between, yeah, so.

[1:18:55] Voice 4: so um but when you think it's more on the margins

[1:18:59] Voice 19: off the harbor

[1:19:18] Voice 4: so it's a it's a technical issue and companies are not as

[1:19:22] Voice 4: and then

[1:19:37] Voice 13: those ships are manned anyway

[1:19:38] Voice 13: they're like

[1:19:39] Voice 13: you know

[1:19:41] Voice 4: and it's not going to bug everybody as much like so so yeah it's really

[1:19:47] Voice 13: interesting because it is yeah they're just

[1:19:50] Voice 13: sitting there waiting for something bad

[1:19:51] Voice 13: and

[1:19:52] Voice 19: then it's like actually like for the last

[1:20:08] Voice 4: and like generally speaking i have not been a fan of like spending time on it just because

[1:20:14] Voice 4: it's not our area but like when we can speak up

[1:20:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): i do

[1:20:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): understand that there are some people that thought that they could have attended the

[1:20:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): live during our first town hall or trying to have some correspondence shared with us

[1:20:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): you've sent your emails we've received your emails and um so i just want you to know that

[1:20:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): we do have that information and uh thank you for uh sending that in okay we're back on to the

[1:20:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): agenda we have item 13.4 it's a referral from salt spring island on page 86 uh

[1:20:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): bill did you want me to license thank you this is a this is a bible basically as you know the

[1:21:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): alr llc um implemented some new housing permissions on the alr this is just a bylaw that

[1:21:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): salt springs got first reading for implementing

[1:21:13] Voice 4: those new housing permissions right and we just

[1:21:16] Voice 4: we we need a motion to say that we have no comments that's correct

[1:21:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): i make a motion that

[1:21:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): the interests are unaffected the north pender island local trust committee interests are

[1:21:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): all

[1:21:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): right thank you so that was seconded by trustee morrison so uh just i think you may

[1:21:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): have hopefully heard that uh trustee mcconkie made a motion that uh north pender's interest

[1:21:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): or is there any discussion call the vote and all those in favor and that's passed thank you

[1:21:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): have like thank you okay the next item is 14.1 now uh okay marissa is here how'd she sneak in

[1:21:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry what page sorry

[1:21:58] Voice 3: this

[1:21:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): is page 94 i was just checking to make sure uh narissa was here um

[1:22:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): and so we're on item 14.1 groundwater sustainability implementation staff report

[1:22:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): and Marissa, are you able to speak with us?

[1:22:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, I can hear you.

[1:22:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): Can you hear me?

[1:22:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): We can hear you.

[1:22:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): And as trustees, you can see her if you wish.

[1:22:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): She's over here.

[1:22:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): Hey, Marissa.

[1:22:25] Voice 1: Hi.

[1:22:26] Voice 1: Yeah, so the purpose of that, it's a memo actually

[1:22:30] Voice 1: that was slipped into the package there.

[1:22:33] Voice 1: And the purpose is really just to identify some of the data

[1:22:36] Voice 1: that we're using to look at the sort of more,

[1:22:40] Voice 1: like the to identify options related to more specific zoning um and that and and I think what

[1:22:47] Voice 1: I what I want to do um for uh trustees is uh is just clarify uh the process here a bit um so

[1:22:57] Voice 1: essentially with respect to the groundwater implementation uh project there are basically

[1:23:04] Voice 1: three different projects within this project. So at the last LTC you were

[1:23:11] Voice 1: introduced to the some of the draft DPA guidelines and we're working on the DPA

[1:23:20] Voice 1: boundaries right now and an identification of some other OCP updates

[1:23:28] Voice 1: that may be required to support the changes that may be made in the local

[1:23:33] Voice 1: local land use bylaw. So that's really like our focus number one is the OCP changes, which would

[1:23:40] Voice 1: be sort of broad changes as well as the development permit area. And that is using

[1:23:51] Voice 1: the mapping that's related to recharge, which isn't the mapping that is in this memo.

[1:23:57] Voice 1: the second kind of area of focus and again we introduced to you at the last meeting was

[1:24:04] Voice 1: the potential regulatory changes related to proof of water cisterns and again there's some

[1:24:13] Voice 1: definitions and some sort of cleaning up pieces that would need to be made to the land use bylaw

[1:24:19] Voice 1: so those two projects um basically in terms of timeline um we could we're working on having

[1:24:28] Voice 1: draft bylaws um to you uh in april at which point time you'll have the opportunity to endorse and

[1:24:35] Voice 1: then we'll we'll be able to move to once those are endorsed we'll move into consultation um

[1:24:41] Voice 1: with uh you know interested parties so that will include the province and and others

[1:24:46] Voice 1: um the first nations and and then by the june meeting um the they'll be able to come back for

[1:24:54] Voice 1: first reading um if you know if there if there isn't any sort of holds up hold up holds up hold

[1:25:00] Voice 1: up with the process um so essentially by september the september meeting um the you know if everything

[1:25:10] Voice 1: goes smoothly, those two elements will be able to, the OCP changes will be able to be with the

[1:25:18] Voice 1: ministry and proof of water could be adopted by then. Again, that's if the process is smooth and

[1:25:23] Voice 1: there's no holdups. So the third sort of project here, which is a piece of this, would, it looks

[1:25:34] Voice 1: at the mapping that's been introduced in this memo and and we're also looking at

[1:25:42] Voice 1: like the subdivision potential in some of the areas that look like

[1:25:48] Voice 1: they could be critical or need some sort of critical look at and potential which

[1:25:54] Voice 1: could lead to potential zoning changes so that that that element is is is more

[1:26:00] Voice 1: more site specific. And so it is, while it is a part of our ongoing work, and the, you know,

[1:26:08] Voice 1: the options will be presented to you as a part of this ongoing project, that that element may

[1:26:16] Voice 1: may not be, it may not get to that point where you'll have sort of a clear

[1:26:22] Voice 1: clear bylaw to endorse by the end of term,

[1:26:28] Voice 1: but we can certainly be working quite significantly

[1:26:31] Voice 1: to identify the options and the potential changes.

[1:26:35] Voice 1: And I'm also saying what we'll be able to do

[1:26:41] Voice 1: is present the options related to that information

[1:26:44] Voice 1: and the specific areas that we may wanna focus on.

[1:26:49] Voice 1: so i just wanted to provide that clarity and i hope it is clarity um but um i'm open to questions

[1:26:57] Voice 1: so that it can be made more clear to you if needed um

[1:27:01] Voice 4: maybe one quick comment so i uh applaud you

[1:27:08] Voice 4: for the two-page brief because but this is like to the point it's the things we need to understand

[1:27:15] Voice 4: and know and like you can expand on it in person but this is really helpful for us because

[1:27:20] Voice 4: sometimes when we get packages with like 30 page reports i know how much time it took to put that

[1:27:26] Voice 4: in and it's also not it's very complicated to digest it it's so much easier when you've digested

[1:27:31] Voice 4: it because you're the expert in the space and then like we can just talk and ask questions about our

[1:27:36] Voice 4: random thoughts so thank you for that i actually really like this form of report um so just a

[1:27:43] Voice 4: little bit side tangential issue but i wanted to name it um all right so what i'm hearing is

[1:27:49] Voice 4: around the third piece about vulnerability to contamination if i have that right um that and

[1:27:57] Voice 4: that that that's the piece that potentially or maybe it's sort of that as part of the piece

[1:28:02] Voice 4: that might potentially impact subdivisions like site-specific subdivision aspects no okay well

[1:28:10] Voice 4: it's the site specific subdivision piece that i really care about so that piece we probably won't

[1:28:17] Voice 4: have that completed by the end of this term is what i'm hearing but that the information and

[1:28:22] Voice 4: other things that we may have completed will completely inform the next term and can kind

[1:28:28] Voice 4: of go into that running of like possibilities if there's and and what i'm guessing is that there's

[1:28:33] Voice 4: potentially areas that might need to be down zone related to water availability or risk issues okay

[1:28:39] Voice 4: Okay. Good to know. That's actually something that people should be aware of as they're running

[1:28:45] Voice 4: in the fall, because that's actually an issue that's going to impact people's property value

[1:28:50] Voice 4: to get down zoned. So, and ecological health at the same time. All right. No question,

[1:28:57] Voice 4: apparently it just was random. You're nodding. So you're answering yes to the things that I

[1:29:00] Voice 4: was understanding. So thank

[1:29:01] Voice 1: you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's exactly the process

[1:29:04] Voice 1: process there. And again, the intention is by the end of term, at least we'll have all

[1:29:09] Voice 1: the information needed to move, you know, and options sort of clearly laid out. So those

[1:29:18] Voice 1: coming into the next term can, you know, move forward with the information that's provided.

[1:29:23] Voice 1: Great.

[1:29:25] Trustee McConchie (probable): Thanks for providing us with the timeline and coming to the meeting today. Appreciate

[1:29:30] Trustee McConchie (probable): it um i'm just i'm just wondering if we could debate this point that george larue makes in

[1:29:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): his correspondence to the local trust committee meeting and i thought it's an important point that

[1:29:41] Trustee McConchie (probable): probably now would be a good time to address george sent us on monday

[1:29:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): uh i'm just going to go from the middle of it uh george larue who's involved in our agricultural

[1:29:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): advisory planning commission george larue is very involved in community events uh here

[1:29:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): community programs. He also runs Raven Rock Farm.

[1:30:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): states it is my observation having been around and on the island for almost 50 years that most

[1:30:05] Trustee McConchie (probable): islanders are water conscious many have adopted water saving ways in their day-to-day living

[1:30:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): building on this underlying ethos to develop more water awareness is far preferable than a rush

[1:30:17] Trustee McConchie (probable): to regulate regulation already excessively burdensome will only further increase costs

[1:30:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): costs on this island uh it goes on more and more regulation will not help affordability and it is

[1:30:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): difficult based on the groundwater work to date see how it will do much of anything for groundwater

[1:30:36] Trustee McConchie (probable): so uh my point my question I guess it's kind of a philosophical political theory in in some ways is

[1:30:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): if our goal is to conserve water which is a fundamental critical element of our Island life

[1:30:53] Trustee McConchie (probable): here and it allows businesses to function limits how many people we can essentially accommodate on

[1:30:59] Trustee McConchie (probable): the island um if if our goal is to preserve and protect the water supply is it through regulation

[1:31:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): or is it through what george is talking about more water awareness right so does the idea of

[1:31:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): regulation is not actually necessarily the solution and the issue might backfire uh or

[1:31:22] Trustee McConchie (probable): or create an idea that the trust is once again,

[1:31:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): coming to over-regulate things.

[1:31:28] Trustee McConchie (probable): So I'm wondering, I mean, I know there's,

[1:31:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's not necessarily, there's an answer to this question,

[1:31:34] Trustee McConchie (probable): but I'm kind of curious to know,

[1:31:36] Trustee McConchie (probable): maybe planner Chadwick or Narissa can, you know,

[1:31:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): explain that the regulation will benefit

[1:31:42] Trustee McConchie (probable): if we get this through before the end of the term,

[1:31:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): or is this part of a broader kind of cultural

[1:31:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): uh educational uh project that is actually would benefit the conservation more greatly

[1:31:59] Trustee McConchie (probable): uh if more folks were aware more folks were educated more folks were part of the broader

[1:32:04] Trustee McConchie (probable): uh what he discusses here he proposes that the north pender trust committee established

[1:32:09] Trustee McConchie (probable): committee of land users and retired professionals on pender island comprised from all over the water

[1:32:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): districts everywhere to work with the trust committee to develop a thorough understanding

[1:32:17] Trustee McConchie (probable): of water use and water is something staff could from the trust to provide important resources

[1:32:22] Trustee McConchie (probable): or other studies maybe necessary i'm just wondering what i mean i appreciate the

[1:32:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): correspondence i was just wondering what you guys think about that concept if that's not

[1:32:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): necessarily something i could decide today but it is something that is on the mind of islanders and

[1:32:36] Trustee McConchie (probable): i just wanted to kind of make uh make us aware of that i'm not sure if you have any comments to that

[1:32:42] Trustee McConchie (probable): that um

[1:32:44] Voice 1: yeah i would say that um you know the we we did spend uh almost a year developing uh

[1:32:49] Voice 1: the freshwater sustainability strategy which does identify a number of different um a number of

[1:32:57] Voice 1: different um actions um that could be taken to address freshwater sustainability and and and

[1:33:05] Voice 1: many of those are um education focused so i would say you definitely um you know to be effective

[1:33:12] Voice 1: there needs to be a broad approach, which includes, which includes the regulatory stuff,

[1:33:18] Voice 1: because I think part of, I mean, and I think going through the process and, and, and looking

[1:33:25] Voice 1: at the, the, the options from a, from a regulatory perspective, not only does it provide the

[1:33:31] Voice 1: opportunity for some sort of measures and controls, but it, it, it also opens, opens

[1:33:39] Voice 1: opens it up for discussion and debate and puts the,

[1:33:41] Voice 1: that interest and importance in freshwater sustainability

[1:33:46] Voice 1: sort of out in the public to have some discussion around it.

[1:33:51] Voice 1: And, but that's absolutely needs to be balanced

[1:33:55] Voice 1: with effective information and engagement

[1:34:00] Voice 1: and different ways for people to actually understand

[1:34:04] Voice 1: and that freshwater is very critical on these islands.

[1:34:10] Voice 1: And now we're fortunate to have the data that,

[1:34:14] Voice 1: so we're starting to think about the ways

[1:34:20] Voice 1: of sharing the information that we've got over time

[1:34:24] Voice 1: with residents, with trustees and through these projects.

[1:34:30] Trustee McConchie (probable): So I guess, oh, sorry, I don't know,

[1:34:32] Trustee McConchie (probable): my last quick comment is just it'd be great to hear from islanders so like whether they think

[1:34:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): regulation is how how important regulation is to them in order to get buy-in from the community

[1:34:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): regulation certainly gets people's attention uh you know uh i think uh the timeline though that

[1:34:54] Trustee McConchie (probable): narissa has indicated along with william uh works right now but it would certainly be interesting

[1:35:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): to see to hear if there's other people in the community that think what george is commenting

[1:35:04] Trustee McConchie (probable): on is that we don't actually need more regulation we need less regulations from what i'm understanding

[1:35:09] Trustee McConchie (probable): so

[1:35:10] Voice 4: yeah yeah there were two parts to george's email that i thought were interesting one was

[1:35:16] Voice 4: um i actually think he's really right about the communication issue related to the coloring

[1:35:20] Voice 4: of the maps so like the red green yellow issue so we're becoming desensitized to issues of red

[1:35:28] Voice 4: being crisis related issues and that's actually not necessarily what we're trying to say here

[1:35:34] Voice 4: we're trying to say that these are drier areas and i

[1:35:38] Voice 4: totally understand histories of maps i have

[1:35:39] Voice 4: a degree in geography but like i i just think that we want to be we want to think differently

[1:35:46] Voice 4: about the coloring on the maps so um of the zones because we don't really i think want to do the

[1:35:54] Voice 4: a crisis kind of naming that he he referenced um and you know honestly from the perspective of

[1:36:03] Voice 4: water and like just variations of blue would be awesome because literally it's about water

[1:36:10] Voice 4: it communicates it clearly it's about water if there are variations of blue and so that would

[1:36:16] Voice 4: be helpful i think i i understand why they are the way they are but i i don't think that they

[1:36:21] Voice 4: they communicate the issue as well as we might need it but again that could be something that

[1:36:26] Voice 4: we could even just have like a focus group of people work with planners around in the community

[1:36:30] Voice 4: and see how people are interpreting it like that might be really cool in terms of like regulation

[1:36:36] Voice 4: versus non-regulation I think I would veer somewhere in the middle on that one like I think

[1:36:43] Voice 4: there's a regulation light version here and the regulation light version would include things

[1:36:49] Voice 4: particularly give some teeth to contamination related issues in the future hopefully um because

[1:36:55] Voice 4: those are real things that have influenced asylum and because there's no bylaw related to there's no

[1:37:00] Voice 4: recourse for people like when that happens so we have a number of situations where there are

[1:37:05] Voice 4: potentially land use issues that are in non-compliance that are potentially impacting

[1:37:11] Voice 4: groundwater but we have no groundwater like regulation related to contamination to actually

[1:37:17] Voice 4: do anything about that from the water perspective so i think that's needed for the bad actors

[1:37:24] Voice 4: right it's not going to be an issue that's going to influence almost the majority of people it's

[1:37:29] Voice 4: a bad actor kind of stop gap issue and then i think i would also when we were talking about the

[1:37:37] Voice 4: um proof of water related issues like that to me is also it's already in our regulations

[1:37:43] Voice 4: regulations so like adjustments on the proof of water depending on where you are i actually think

[1:37:49] Voice 4: we should just allow for other types of proof of water and encourage maybe is the way that

[1:37:55] Voice 4: the bylaw could be written it wouldn't necessarily have to be you absolutely must do this but like

[1:38:00] Voice 4: it would encourage it and maybe it would say you must do it for commercial like for heavy use

[1:38:05] Voice 4: issues right like that you can't use groundwater in area x if you're commercial because it's too

[1:38:12] Voice 4: too heavy of a lift unless you have a registered well and you have to go do you know whatever

[1:38:16] Voice 4: i don't know there's there's some aspect to that so i'd like to see what you come up with around

[1:38:20] Voice 4: those in particular um and have a conversation in the community about those pieces but i don't

[1:38:28] Voice 4: really want to see a super heavy-handed um like complicated thing that community members have to

[1:38:34] Voice 4: navigate i just i kind of want it just to refresh our existing pieces in ways that are consistent

[1:38:40] Voice 4: consistent with what information we're seeing. I also want to echo that I actually think the value

[1:38:46] Voice 4: of our mapping is educational for our community. So like having done it, I actually think the

[1:38:52] Voice 4: primary value of our mapping is actually to help people truly understand when you stick a hole in

[1:38:59] Voice 4: the ground, it's not endlessly going to produce clean, fresh water for you, right? Like depending

[1:39:05] Voice 4: depending where you are, that could pump salt water into your neighbor's well. It could like

[1:39:09] Voice 4: do a whole bunch of stuff like that. So just for people to understand how the, and for us to

[1:39:15] Voice 4: understand how those things are going to change as, as sea level pressures increases, other things

[1:39:20] Voice 4: happen. I get George's point, totally get it. Data is not perfect. Of course, data is not perfect.

[1:39:27] Voice 4: We're always working with imperfect data. So, and, and practices are not perfect necessarily.

[1:39:32] Voice 4: necessarily potentially we have enough water right now as it stands but I never think that more

[1:39:39] Voice 4: information and understanding that information and I don't think he would argue that either

[1:39:42] Voice 4: it doesn't seem so like it's good to have that information and to think with it so but definitely

[1:39:48] Voice 4: regulation light would be my kind of approach to the bylaw and

[1:39:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): the key issues I have is sort

[1:39:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the equity lens sort of the top to make sure that we're not inadvertently adding more burden

[1:40:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): on to the affordable end of the scale that we need to make you know the burden needs to be pushed up

[1:40:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the primary residents that has the biggest potential for harm if it's you know 10 bedrooms

[1:40:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): 10 bathrooms swimming pool what are the things that are really harming the uh environment

[1:40:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh or the water then uh and someone adding a secondary suite or affordable housing uh

[1:40:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): accessory quality unit of some form.

[1:40:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think we have to really be in tune

[1:40:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the equity of our rules.

[1:40:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): And the other is the words I think,

[1:40:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think we're sort of tripping on those,

[1:40:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustee McConkie, unintended consequences.

[1:40:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): I hate those two words, but those are so important

[1:40:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we have to be careful

[1:40:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): that our volume-based regulations

[1:40:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't drive people to drill deeper

[1:40:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): and try to pull more water

[1:40:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): to prove their uh their use um so there's that potential downside if they could make the problem

[1:41:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): worse if they're like i said drilling deeper taking more water doing something to make it

[1:41:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): a better well for themselves as a result creates harm in the neighborhood fracking all these other

[1:41:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): issues that people are doing to get the higher volumes from their wells that may not be it's

[1:41:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's not necessary and only causes more harm.

[1:41:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think we have to keep our mind

[1:41:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): on those unintended consequences

[1:41:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): and work closely with others to ensure that doesn't happen.

[1:41:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): And that's part of the education.

[1:41:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): Why should you not do those things?

[1:41:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): And the working group idea is important.

[1:41:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know in Salt Spring, we call it SWCCLA,

[1:41:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Life,

[1:41:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): people really value coming together and talking about it.

[1:41:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): we have the water purveyors we have watershed restoration but we have everybody sort of around

[1:41:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): a table and they all value being to talk about issues together uh to the various jurisdictions

[1:42:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): that all touch water because there's many many jurisdictions so yeah there's no

[1:42:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): organization that

[1:42:11] Trustee McConchie (probable): exists on the island similar to what salt spring has said there's a water district in tranco there's

[1:42:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): a water district in magic lake and et cetera yeah they need to come together and talk about this

[1:42:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): yeah for sure

[1:42:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): absolutely and whether it's you know even informally is fantastic to get people

[1:42:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): together to talk about their issues and none of us can be afford can afford to be duplicating

[1:42:31] services

[1:42:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh that we work together and make choices so um it's good

[1:42:39] Voice 4: um i have one other

[1:42:42] Voice 4: thing that's related to this and it just came into my mind when you're talking about here talking

[1:42:45] Voice 4: about that so as we start to think like towards next year and the new trustees whoever they are

[1:42:52] Voice 4: whether that's you know some of us or not whatever that is one of the things that i think we really

[1:42:57] Voice 4: learned on this island um and we need to take that lesson forward is we have 10 meetings a year that

[1:43:03] Voice 4: are scheduled we could schedule six and then schedule one meeting a year that's a public

[1:43:09] Voice 4: consultation meeting it's about education and learning that brings staff into community in ways

[1:43:15] Voice 4: and like we have topical thing water or whatever like and we do all this like so community that

[1:43:21] Voice 4: we hold it at the hall like everyone can come up there and like we actually have these bigger

[1:43:25] Voice 4: conversations iteratively and I would love to see that that would be a good use of like additional

[1:43:31] Voice 4: four meeting times and it's an official meeting we can answer questions we can do whatever you

[1:43:36] Voice 4: know like that would be so beneficial and things like this Narissa that you've created now these

[1:43:42] Voice 4: these are our resources for our community that have to be living resources we have to consistently

[1:43:47] Voice 4: annually engage our community in these conversations that's engagement and so i would

[1:43:54] Voice 4: love to see that i put onto the agenda as possible when we schedule out for next year whenever that

[1:43:59] Voice 4: is that like we do every other month ltc regular meeting and then four times a year we have these

[1:44:07] Voice 4: kind of community conversations and i think that just would be a much better practice here it would

[1:44:12] Voice 4: alleviate a lot of the tensions we're having and um

[1:44:14] Voice 4: like we can come up with four topics right now

[1:44:16] Voice 4: water housing you know what was the next one concrete i don't know what else

[1:44:23] Voice 5: it is you know

[1:44:25] Voice 4: industrial maybe it's industrial you know like that kind of stuff

[1:44:28] Voice 5: and there's an opportunity for the next ltc uh early on their term when they're deciding on

[1:44:33] Voice 5: their top priorities to take that time to have those cims to talk about the issues you know

[1:44:42] Voice 5: and gather comments that'd be the perfect opportunity to do that so i'll make

[1:44:46] Voice 5: note of that

[1:44:46] Voice 5: yeah

[1:44:47] Voice 4: yeah there could be one a year that's just like kind of that catch-all like anything you

[1:44:50] Voice 4: want to talk about and say you know

[1:44:52] Voice 4: that'd be helpful all right

[1:44:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): anything else you need

[1:44:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): Marissa on this or?

[1:44:58] Voice 1: No, no, that's good.

[1:45:00] Voice 1: Yeah, I just wanted to make sure everybody understood

[1:45:05] Voice 1: sort of where we're going and continue to work.

[1:45:08] Voice 1: And we'll take a lot of your points into consideration

[1:45:13] Voice 1: when we write the staff report

[1:45:15] Voice 1: and try and make it nice and brief.

[1:45:17] Voice 1: Thank you so much.

[1:45:20] Voice 1: All right, thank you very much.

[1:45:22] Voice 5: Thank you, Courtney.

[1:45:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right, Marissa, I'll get you out.

[1:45:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): the next topic is 14.2 which is the land use bylaw review project it begins on page 97 of

[1:45:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): the agenda package thank

[1:45:36] Voice 5: you chair patrick this staff report is just requesting for further

[1:45:43] Voice 5: comments from the ltc and they're broken down into two different topic areas one's around

[1:45:49] Voice 5: floor area and the other topic area is around the commercial two zoning. So what I'll do is I'll just

[1:45:56] Voice 5: make a few points on the maximum floor area topic, pause for discussion with the LTC and then I can

[1:46:02] Voice 5: discuss the commercial two if the LTC agrees. So I'm bringing back the discussion of the maximum

[1:46:09] Voice 5: floor area versus log coverage with the LTC discussed last week. What I did with this step

[1:46:15] Voice 5: report is outline the pros and cons for the two different approaches. I didn't want to highlight

[1:46:24] Voice 5: the benefit of using the lot coverage. Again, lot coverage is correlated to lot size, smaller the

[1:46:30] Voice 5: lot, smaller the lot coverage. So there's that benefit that it tailors to the size of the lot.

[1:46:39] Voice 5: Again, lot coverage, the LTC is now including impermeable materials, so there's a benefit there.

[1:46:47] Voice 5: Also, the land use by-law already regulates lot coverage, so it maintains consistency with the

[1:46:54] Voice 5: old and new land use by-laws, so it's something that, an idea that the community and contractors

[1:46:59] Voice 5: are comfortable with already. So if the LTC wanted to retain lot coverage, there would be no

[1:47:07] Voice 5: motion required but if the LDC decides to forego law coverage and regulate total maximum floor area

[1:47:15] Voice 5: for all abilities and structures then a motion would be required for that. Just a note in the

[1:47:23] Voice 5: staff report that the impermeable material definition has been included in the draft

[1:47:28] Voice 5: bylaw so the LDC can take a look at the draft bylaw for that new definition. And the last topic

[1:47:36] Voice 5: area is around cottage floor area this was something the ltc brought up with the idea

[1:47:41] Voice 5: of potentially increasing the maximum floor area for cottages currently the land use bylaw

[1:47:48] Voice 5: there's a maximum floor area of about 600 square feet for cottages so the ltc can consider

[1:47:55] Voice 5: increasing that there's outlined examples from other land use bylaws bylaws from other

[1:48:02] Voice 5: ltc's in the south and there's a draft motion there for the ltc to consider if he'd like to

[1:48:08] Voice 5: increase the poor area for cottages so i'll pause there i think

[1:48:13] Voice 5: probably this first because i think

[1:48:14] Voice 5: that's a little easier actually

[1:48:16] Voice 4: um and then come back to the floor area um so i see south pender's

[1:48:23] Voice 4: lub and that's not shifting i'm hoping like not that i'm aware of no so their maximum floor area

[1:48:29] Voice 4: is 750 square feet or 70 meters squared um i would like to make the motion that the north

[1:48:36] Voice 4: pender island local trust committee requests staff to amend the draft land use bylaw to

[1:48:40] Voice 4: increase the maximum for your cottages to 70 meters squared so i'll pause there is there a

[1:48:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): second yeah

[1:48:49] Trustee McConchie (probable): i'll second for discussion before

[1:48:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): we go ahead uh pat did you hear that motion

[1:48:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): or could you i'm just is it in the document

[1:48:57] Voice 4: on page 100 page 100

[1:48:59] Voice 4: thank you and i'm using the

[1:49:01] Voice 4: south pender number okay right okay thank you so to speak to that i agree that we needed to

[1:49:11] Voice 4: increase it we had some conversation about that last time we met i really do want to try and get

[1:49:16] Voice 4: a little more consistent with south pender so that's why i went from south pender number

[1:49:20] Voice 4: and that size of building as a cottage is actually really livable I lived in a 600 square foot

[1:49:29] Voice 4: cottage with two kids so like it's I'm a partner we're still together awesome so

[1:49:37] Voice 4: so I just think it's a reasonable thing for a cottage once we start to get over that then we

[1:49:46] Voice 4: have to start thinking about like on what lot size like it's three acres more but like are we

[1:49:52] Voice 4: now getting to really houses and maybe it's more about like splitting the square footage of the

[1:49:57] Voice 4: other of the total square footage on the lot instead that we might want to do so i don't know

[1:50:03] Voice 4: i'm starting that gets a little bit more into a bigger conversation but this is like this would

[1:50:07] Voice 4: be an easy yes from my perspective so anyway yeah

[1:50:12] Trustee McConchie (probable): um i well i mean i i was kind of wondering if we

[1:50:16] Trustee McConchie (probable): could amend that motion because i i actually really like main island's approach main island's

[1:50:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): approach i talked with janine dodds trustee there about it um it's that it's you know on less than

[1:50:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): an acre i think it's what i think it says here it's like 645 square feet but but if it's more

[1:50:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): than a hectare 2.5 acres then you can have a thousand square foot cottage and that addresses

[1:50:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): a couple concerns the first concern being that some folks want to live on their whatever five

[1:50:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): five acre property and they want to let their family move into their big home and then build

[1:50:49] Trustee McConchie (probable): a cottage that they can live in uh and there was three separate constituents of three different

[1:50:54] Trustee McConchie (probable): properties that have asked the of me as a trustee to address that i think it's a valid point i mean

[1:51:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): i want uh folks to be able to stay live i hope to live here a long time uh i i don't think there's

[1:51:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): anything wrong with increasing especially on a big property allowing to maximum a thousand square

[1:51:12] Trustee McConchie (probable): feet and that's yeah i mean it's more than most people need to live but certainly gives people

[1:51:17] Trustee McConchie (probable): options uh and then it limits the size of the square feet on a smaller piece of property

[1:51:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): uh so the the uh you can still build a cottage on your on your smaller lot uh but it has to be

[1:51:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): smaller size relative to you know the property so main island's lub i mean it's important sure

[1:51:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): you know like

[1:51:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): it'd be great to follow what south bender's doing but also you could follow what

[1:51:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): main island's doing and you know i was on main island recently and it's a very well-planned island

[1:51:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): um and i think uh the main island approach is one that we the trust committee i don't know

[1:51:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): could consider um so and i'm not sure if you have a good question a

[1:51:57] Voice 4: good question

[1:51:58] Voice 4: so lot cottages less on acreages 2.4 acres less we don't even have those no

[1:52:05] Voice 5: it's what you have to

[1:52:06] Voice 5: have at least 1.2 hectares okay just yeah so that's the only

[1:52:11] Voice 4: difference so we would have to

[1:52:13] Voice 4: change our where we allow cottages as well to be able to make this or

[1:52:19] Voice 5: you amend it so those

[1:52:21] Voice 5: properties that are 1.2 hectares and greater to say two hectares can be permitted x amount and

[1:52:28] Voice 5: those greater than two hectares can be permitted a higher maximum right

[1:52:33] Voice 4: so for us it wouldn't be

[1:52:35] Voice 4: the exact same numbers because we don't we have a different bottom threshold which is 1.2 hectares

[1:52:41] Voice 4: yeah yeah okay so like 1.2 to 2 hectares would be x square feet and over two hectare property would

[1:52:48] Voice 4: be a thousand square feet okay yeah just determining the

[1:52:54] Voice 5: numbers if that's the approach

[1:52:55] Voice 5: that you want to right well

[1:52:57] Trustee McConchie (probable): i'll tell you i'll tell you what my number is and if you guys can

[1:52:59] Trustee McConchie (probable): my numbers are more than 2.4 acres one hectare you can have a thousand square foot

[1:53:05] Trustee McConchie (probable): cottage uh under it's i would say 700 square feet

[1:53:10] Voice 3: under

[1:53:11] Trustee McConchie (probable): 60 i mean 60 meters square yeah like

[1:53:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): the main essentially adopting the main island land use bylaw in my opinion i'm happy with those

[1:53:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): numbers so

[1:53:22] Voice 4: i'm just not making myself clear because i understand the numbers that you're

[1:53:27] Voice 4: saying but right now we don't allow cottages period like anywhere and this isn't the case

[1:53:35] Voice 4: So we'd

[1:53:36] Voice 4: have to change something else, is my understanding, to be able to allow cottages down to this level, right?

[1:53:41] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:53:42] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:53:42] Voice 5: Yeah, which the LTC wouldn't necessarily want to do through this process because you would be increasing density.

[1:53:49] Voice 5: Right.

[1:53:49] Voice 5: You could be deemed as increasing density then.

[1:53:52] Voice 5: My professional opinion is to still keep the 1.2 hectare threshold.

[1:53:59] Voice 4: Right, because that's our current density threshold that we have on properties.

[1:54:03] Voice 4: these yeah so then it so a friendly amendment would be to go with the main numbers except we

[1:54:12] Voice 4: would use 1.2 hectares

[1:54:15] Voice 4: 1.2 hectares is the bottom threshold yeah see so we wouldn't have small

[1:54:23] Voice 4: prodigies then because like the way that this is written it's just written totally differently

[1:54:27] Voice 4: because it's under one hectare or over under one hectare is this type of product we don't have

[1:54:33] Voice 4: anything under 1.2 hectares right so it'd be 1.2 hectares to like two hectares or something like

[1:54:39] Voice 4: that yes and then

[1:54:41] Voice 4: anything over two hectares would be bigger so if you want to have two things we

[1:54:46] Voice 4: would just have to up the level a bit otherwise we're changing it

[1:54:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think it would i think due

[1:54:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): to this complexity this is either a full amendment motion yeah this is this is if you want to go to

[1:54:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): one too fractured um and yeah

[1:55:03] Voice 4: i would i would i think the easier way to handle that is that we

[1:55:08] Voice 4: because we already have a three acre like limit or 1.2 hectares of state hectares 1.2 hectare limit

[1:55:17] Voice 4: we just change the actual value of the square footage if you want it to be a bigger cottage

[1:55:22] Voice 4: because we don't allow cottages on smaller properties period so like this this particular

[1:55:29] Voice 4: one for maine it's essentially saying that in our situation it was a thousand square feet

[1:55:34] Voice 4: what

[1:55:37] Voice 10: do you guys think so

[1:55:41] Voice 4: going from 600 because 600 is right now what we have right yes yeah so

[1:55:45] Voice 4: going from 600 to a thousand square feet um the only concern i have about that is that you're

[1:55:52] Voice 4: potentially like hopefully people are stacking it so it's actually a vertical square foot but

[1:55:57] Voice 4: you're potentially increasing cut like on a property because people are spreading out a

[1:56:02] Voice 4: thousand square putting in a second thousand square foot house essentially on a property

[1:56:05] Voice 3: i

[1:56:06] Voice 4: understand the living space and all of that i get that my concern is the cut like how like how

[1:56:11] Voice 4: much trees are getting cut out of the property

[1:56:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): let's turn up yeah yeah uh well do you want to

[1:56:16] Trustee McConchie (probable): what about lowering the number then to 900 yeah

[1:56:20] Voice 4: so i think it's just a question yeah it's open

[1:56:23] Voice 4: for conversation i think it's just whether it's 600 700 800 900 like it's just every time you

[1:56:30] Voice 4: go up a notch that's an increase potentially it's not a given right because it's not people

[1:56:34] Voice 4: responsibly build they're responsibly building in a vertical way did we already change the height

[1:56:39] Voice 4: of the projects yeah okay

[1:56:41] Voice 4: yeah so then we they can build perfectly so which is what i would want

[1:56:45] Voice 4: like just put a 500 square foot footprint on and like go up you know so

[1:56:50] Trustee McConchie (probable): um

[1:56:51] Voice 4: what we're talking about

[1:56:54] Trustee McConchie (probable): the motion right now the motion is it's from what i understand and then i wanted to potentially

[1:56:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): amend it because i don't i don't uh agree i don't know if i can support your motion

[1:57:03] Trustee McConchie (probable): of the current meters square meters that you proposed in your motion

[1:57:08] Voice 3: okay i

[1:57:09] Trustee McConchie (probable): would i would

[1:57:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): vote in favor of a motion that increased the square meters of the cottages but not what you

[1:57:18] Trustee McConchie (probable): proposed as a motion which was i think

[1:57:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): 750 yeah to make it uniform with so i'm arguing that i mean

[1:57:25] Trustee McConchie (probable): we're kind of like we're saying we're debating numbers yeah i mean an extra 100 square feet or

[1:57:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): 150 square feet does make a difference for some folks like yeah uh

[1:57:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): it may open the doors to some

[1:57:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): some seniors being able to have accessibility with wheelchairs and washrooms.

[1:57:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): You need to increase the size of your house if you have some health concerns

[1:57:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): or some needs.

[1:57:53] Trustee McConchie (probable): I guess what

[1:57:54] Voice 1: I'm trying to

[1:57:54] Trustee McConchie (probable): say is three of these people are seniors

[1:57:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): that don't want to leave the island, and their family wants to move into the house,

[1:58:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): and they're willing to give up their house, whatever, move to the property,

[1:58:04] Trustee McConchie (probable): but I want to keep my house, and I'm going to become elderly

[1:58:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): and eventually die here is the question is 700 square feet enough for that person

[1:58:13] Voice 3: 750

[1:58:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): square feet is that enough and i'm suggesting you know why not a little bit more but your point

[1:58:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): is that it's like well they might cut down more trees and it might

[1:58:23] Voice 4: have a lot in that situation

[1:58:24] Voice 4: because you're talking about all on one level of thing

[1:58:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): potentially yeah yeah and then i was like

[1:58:29] Voice 4: and so the and the place that we built was all on one level 600 square feet like that's what it was

[1:58:34] Voice 4: and i would say that is slightly small so 750 is definitely doable like for a one-bedroom

[1:58:41] Voice 4: cottage kind of thing with wheelchair accessible everything like that's pretty reasonable i think

[1:58:47] Voice 4: i could go up to like 850 but i don't i don't think i want to go much more than that especially

[1:58:51] Voice 4: because it could all be on one model and likely situations

[1:58:53] Voice 3: okay so what do you think well my

[1:58:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): question would be if the bra the bracketed ideas is interesting but do we have a planner stock bill

[1:59:03] is there a bracket you know a size range

[1:59:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): that already makes sense and is consistent somewhere

[1:59:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): else or is this would this be a new rule that would

[1:59:12] Voice 5: i mean it's there's a wide range within

[1:59:17] Voice 5: other lub so it's yeah one thing i could um suggest just an option again is if you're

[1:59:27] Voice 5: comfortable with the 750 square feet you could do the similar um idea with what you're doing

[1:59:34] Voice 5: with houses is in the official community plan you actually have um incorporated um

[1:59:41] Voice 5: ideas or points that if there's a variance permit in front of the ltc

[1:59:46] Voice 5: to increase the cottage uh floor area they would have to meet some of these conditions

[1:59:52] Voice 5: and perhaps one of them is that it's a two-story structure right

[1:59:57] Voice 4: right

[2:00:00] Voice 5: that okay

[2:00:00] Voice 4: so i have a compromise and a suggestion on the edit for the um so i think we should go

[2:00:06] Voice 4: with galliano's number which is 80 square meters okay and that puts it at 861 feet square feet

[2:00:13] Voice 4: and then i like your idea that if they want it bigger that they have to stack it

[2:00:18] Voice 4: how you get that in there well they'd have

[2:00:22] Voice 4: to come and ask for variance yeah so the variances

[2:00:25] Voice 4: would be allowed on the 860 as long as it's stacked so because i i wouldn't want a bigger

[2:00:32] Voice 4: cut like a bigger footprint than the 860 that's reasonable to

[2:00:37] Voice 4: me yeah

[2:00:38] Voice 5: yeah the ocp wouldn't be

[2:00:40] Voice 5: recorded as such that you know you'd be guaranteed a variance permit it'd just be the ltc would turn

[2:00:46] Voice 4: there yeah

[2:00:46] Voice 5: that's fair

[2:00:47] Voice 4: supporting applications so yeah that's totally fair but 860 square feet

[2:00:53] Voice 4: it's totally reasonable for like um you know a nice open layout kind of a two bedroom yeah

[2:01:01] Voice 4: if you have small bedrooms but if it's wheelchair accessible it's easy one bedroom

[2:01:08] Voice 4: yeah all right okay so can we just make that as a friendly amendment please can we just um okay so

[2:01:16] Voice 18: yeah so

[2:01:19] Voice 4: the motion should say 80 square meters instead of 70 square meters

[2:01:23] Voice 4: did you hear

[2:01:24] Voice 6: that maximum floor areas of cottage uh to be 80 meters squared yes

[2:01:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you thank

[2:01:31] Voice 6: you

[2:01:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right is there any more discussion yeah

[2:01:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): i mean it just kind of comes down to what is the

[2:01:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): number of where people can really live comfortably i mean that's really what we're discussing here

[2:01:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): and yeah

[2:01:44] Voice 9: it seems like

[2:01:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): you guys are this is a compromise i mean i'd be willing to go up to

[2:01:49] Trustee McConchie (probable): a thousand just based on saturn's experience but yeah i guess the idea is i want to make it easy

[2:01:54] Trustee McConchie (probable): for folks to be able to do this and not have a hindrance i want to be able to have families work

[2:02:00] on properties that they're inheriting or working with

[2:02:04] Trustee McConchie (probable): their family and then allow them to take care

[2:02:06] Trustee McConchie (probable): of their uh parents uh so i think maybe this is a step in the right direction but uh okay i think

[2:02:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): this and i think as you i'm sure that another project will be coming down the road to look

[2:02:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): at other other ways of especially larger properties of giving up some potential a

[2:02:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): subdivision potential in exchange for a second building and those type of things there's lots

[2:02:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): of other opportunities that could come down the road to facilitate people staying on their property

[2:02:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): and taking care

[2:02:36] Voice 4: of the next generation and and i think the other thing for me is it's both that

[2:02:40] Voice 4: what you said then but it's also a balance with that with how much forest is going to be cut out

[2:02:45] Voice 4: for a property so that's like the other side of the teeter-totter for me and but i do think that

[2:02:51] Voice 4: this is it's enough to incentivize that type of vote right

[2:02:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): any further discussion i'll call the

[2:03:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): vote then all those in favor and that's carried all right what's the next i need

[2:03:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): to go back up

[2:03:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): because

[2:03:07] Voice 4: we didn't talk about the tour area i'm getting conversations so that's okay that's good

[2:03:12] Voice 4: um the impermeable surfaces i think that so you said that that was the definition we're going to

[2:03:20] Voice 4: use unless we have any comments on it it looks great actually um and then i got i kind of got

[2:03:31] Voice 4: a little bit lost i'm sorry i'm a little bit tired today i kind of got a little bit lost in what the

[2:03:35] Voice 4: decision is that we need to make i understand for like coverage versus floor size versus all

[2:03:42] Voice 4: the other options that there i kind of need like a b c kind of options at this point because i would

[2:03:50] Voice 4: like to go with floor area size like that's my answer when i look at this chart of floor area

[2:03:55] Voice 4: size i want to pick which columns we keep and which we trash if we trash them and like move on

[2:04:00] Voice 4: from that and see if those numbers are where we want to be because we're at the point where we're

[2:04:05] Voice 4: getting close to public review we're going to get a bunch of others like in terms of our first

[2:04:08] Voice 4: reading we'll get a bunch of other feedback work and we're going to get feedback on this kind of

[2:04:12] Voice 4: table um but my understanding what you asked is is there this kind of table or not there isn't

[2:04:19] Voice 5: currently this table but it's one or the other you're going with or you're losing we're going

[2:04:24] Voice 5: to remove lot coverage from the plan to spy law which means you then lose that calculation of

[2:04:31] Voice 5: or addition of impervious surfaces okay and why

[2:04:36] Voice 3: do we need a lot of coverage in order to get the

[2:04:38] Voice 16: impervious

[2:04:38] Voice 3: surfaces and

[2:04:41] Voice 4: did we for lot coverage did we convert this basic square footage issue

[2:04:47] Voice 4: no because we have impervious surfaces right

[2:04:49] Voice 5: now it's 25 and now that includes impervious surfaces

[2:04:53] Voice 5: which for some properties could be a huge it's a big change

[2:05:01] Voice 4: yeah so we can't keep we can't have

[2:05:04] Voice 4: both actual inhabitable building and lot coverage of surfaces why well

[2:05:12] Voice 5: because um they're they're

[2:05:15] Voice 5: essentially calculating the same thing than two regulations calculating but there

[2:05:19] Voice 5: are more things

[2:05:21] Voice 4: this impervious surfaces is calculating things like driveways and garage like every little shed

[2:05:27] Voice 4: you have on your property and it's not saying you can't have them go crazy shed yourself to death

[2:05:31] Voice 4: but like it's basically just saying you can't interrupt the water flow more than 25% of your

[2:05:37] Voice 4: property or whatever we do but that's different than saying you're going to put a permanent

[2:05:41] Voice 4: structure on the space and it's going to suck up as much energy to take

[2:05:45] Voice 4: away and it could also

[2:05:47] Voice 5: create so if you have log coverage that says 25% on a one acre property and then you have

[2:05:56] Voice 5: maximum floor area that may be um say higher than that or i guess it would be lower um

[2:06:09] Voice 5: that's fine

[2:06:09] Voice 4: yeah see see we just have to make sure that our maximum square footage isn't higher than

[2:06:15] Voice 4: our coverage that's where you get into a problem i think but i don't think there's anywhere where

[2:06:19] Voice 4: that's really happening the opposite is not really a problem because basically what you're saying is

[2:06:25] Voice 4: there are multiple things we're trying to address here we're trying to address like

[2:06:29] Voice 4: water absorption and like you know natural sort of surface area and then the other one is is a

[2:06:37] Voice 4: little bit more about just rural character not having mega mansions not having like

[2:06:44] Voice 4: excessive energies because we have like giant houses all over the place like they're different

[2:06:48] Voice 4: issues that they're trying to address so i actually think they're complementary and so i'm

[2:06:53] Voice 4: just trying to understand why we can't have them

[2:06:56] Voice 5: i'm trying to remember i know

[2:06:58] Voice 5: so many numbers and

[2:07:00] Voice 5: i know there's a reason for it so let me come back to it um and then there's also the idea of

[2:07:06] Voice 5: over regulating yes

[2:07:08] Voice 4: i do understand that problem so i did get that so yeah so i'm not sure where

[2:07:17] Voice 4: that leads us i'll give you a minute to think about that yeah

[2:07:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): just my goal in this whole thing

[2:07:22] Trustee McConchie (probable): is to communicate simply because the bylaw is inappropriate in my opinion currently what is

[2:07:30] Trustee McConchie (probable): a simple way to communicate to islanders as to what the ltc candidate considers to be

[2:07:36] Trustee McConchie (probable): the maximum size of the house in florida so getting into law coverage and issues like this

[2:07:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): i'm worried it's going to muddy the waters lead to confusion and the perception of over

[2:07:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): bureaucratization of our local government. So, you know, I'm happy with the chart that's presented

[2:07:59] Trustee McConchie (probable): here, which 10 acres or greater, the maximum house size is 4000 square feet, that's big house,

[2:08:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): you know, and it's a round number that folks can understand. And certainly it's not overbearing.

[2:08:17] Trustee McConchie (probable): I mean, if you want to build a 5000 square foot house on 10 acres or greater, you just

[2:08:22] Trustee McConchie (probable): come to the trust committee and say hey this is what i want to do the trust committee determines

[2:08:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): it or not this is a hot issue in our community as far as what i mean hot issue there's a a bit

[2:08:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): of a misunderstanding i want to i want to be able to go to browning and explain to my friends at the

[2:08:41] Trustee McConchie (probable): pub and the folks that sit there the regulars this is our policy it's simple it's easy to understand

[2:08:47] Trustee McConchie (probable): and it's democratic so i guess that's my objective in this future trust committees

[2:08:53] Trustee McConchie (probable): certainly have the groundwork here now if they want to get more detailed more centered on the

[2:09:01] a lot of coverage

[2:09:03] Trustee McConchie (probable): issues but i right now i feel the urgency to communicate a simple message to

[2:09:08] Trustee McConchie (probable): diners about this so

[2:09:10] Voice 4: i i actually think i have the answer kim so what the question i asked was about

[2:09:15] Voice 4: okay so um in the middle section there's lower scale middle scale and the top of the scale and

[2:09:21] Voice 4: that actually takes into account all buildings and structures right so we've converted that

[2:09:27] Voice 4: into square footage so it's already in the table so that's where you're getting the duplicate

[2:09:32] Voice 4: problem so for simplification of regulation yeah i agree so we go with the table the thing we lose

[2:09:40] Voice 4: is impermanable surfaces we work with our communities to do that through education

[2:09:44] Voice 4: education so that people aren't putting paved driveways all over their space and like you know

[2:09:49] Voice 4: causing runoff and like there's just issues we're going to face if we pave everything so we need to

[2:09:55] Voice 4: stop doing that so um so we need to decide i think on the which column in the middle is that right

[2:10:03] Voice 4: like we have to have one of those right yeah yes okay so um i guess i'm wondering why we don't

[2:10:13] Voice 4: have anything under less than a 0.4 of a hectare for the total buildings and structures

[2:10:22] Voice 5: on a lower scale yeah well it's what's the smallest property you know it's the

[2:10:28] Voice 5: the lowest scale would be zero right

[2:10:30] Voice 4: so like are you saying okay middle

[2:10:33] Voice 5: scale is i i took so a

[2:10:36] Voice 5: property that's point two hectares the middle of the scale from zero to point four the middle of

[2:10:42] Voice 5: that is 0.2 25 of that is 0.5 which is about 5400 square

[2:10:53] Voice 4: feet okay so you converted the 25

[2:10:56] Voice 4: into like whatever the building is the actual

[2:10:59] Voice 6: size okay

[2:11:00] Voice 4: so and then so okay so i would actually

[2:11:06] Voice 4: uh yeah i get what you're saying here so on the

[2:11:09] Voice 4: on a property less than 0.4 hectares

[2:11:12] Voice 4: If it's on the lowest end of that scale and we we use the middle scale, then it's more than 25 percent coverage.

[2:11:21] Voice 4: Yeah. Yeah. OK. So I would go with the lowest end of the scale as the column, basically saying that we're wanting to minimize stock coverage, but it's still allowing 25 percent of the lower end of the scale.

[2:11:34] Voice 4: right yeah so at at one to three acres you're allowed 25 percent of one acre of additional

[2:11:41] Voice 4: buildings that's right even if you're up to three acres yeah that's really complicated and i just

[2:11:47] Voice 4: need us to pick one column so i the

[2:11:49] Voice 4: ecologically conservative column is the first column that's

[2:11:52] Voice 4: what i understand and

[2:11:54] Voice 5: then for the first column for those properties that are less than 0.4 hectare

[2:11:58] Voice 5: what do you decide on is it this i

[2:12:01] Voice 4: think you take the one with the middle scale

[2:12:03] Voice 4: yeah and

[2:12:05] Voice 5: then what is the advantage you know of doing is this more confusing for property owners

[2:12:11] Voice 5: we don't leave

[2:12:12] Voice 4: these three things though we just go down to one column you just go down

[2:12:15] Voice 4: just go down another column and then it's just like here's your building here's all the other

[2:12:21] Voice 4: stuff here's your lot area there's three columns in the table in total because i think that that

[2:12:27] Voice 4: three columns in the middle is different for

[2:12:29] Voice 5: the first one you go with the middle scale and for the

[2:12:33] Voice 5: other ones go with the lowest scale

[2:12:35] Voice 4: that's what i would suggest because i think it's the

[2:12:37] Voice 4: ecologically more conservative approach and i really want to try and minimize force fragmentation

[2:12:42] Voice 4: and the more we go up on this the more force fragmentation we get so that's my personal

[2:12:48] Voice 4: preference most people are not even going to notice it because it's not they're not

[2:12:53] Voice 4: shaving more than five percent of the property like it's just not really even an issue most

[2:12:57] Voice 4: people are nowhere near five percent of their property coverage so i really don't don't think

[2:13:01] Voice 4: it's going to be a problem it's just to give us some starting numbers and

[2:13:05] Voice 5: so if the ltc decides

[2:13:06] Voice 5: to do this what will happen on page 99 of the stock report figure two there will then be a

[2:13:12] Voice 5: middle column yeah the third column added yeah those numbers and then we would take out what

[2:13:17] Voice 5: coverage from the yeah that's right so

[2:13:20] Voice 4: we would end up being just like this table except there

[2:13:23] Voice 4: would be one column in the additional column that's for all structures and then we wouldn't

[2:13:27] Voice 4: have 25 in our rising one it would just be converted to numbers and then future trust

[2:13:34] Voice 4: committees will be able to look at those numbers and see as things appear on the landscape are

[2:13:38] Voice 4: those more reasonable or less reasonable to be adjusted but there'll be more concrete numbers

[2:13:43] Voice 4: as opposed to a little bit vague so okay so that would be my suggestion sorry that sounded all very

[2:13:52] Voice 4: confusing no

[2:13:53] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's okay i would i would like to see that truck and uh present community because it's

[2:13:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's it's it's uh i don't want this to be you know confusing to the community i'm not going

[2:14:04] Trustee McConchie (probable): to vote in favor of a bylaw that's people don't understand yeah

[2:14:07] Voice 5: yeah yeah and i think that would

[2:14:10] Voice 5: get us down to something that's like simpler with the ltc direction yeah the motion to remove

[2:14:16] Voice 5: block coverage from the draft land use bylaw and replace it with total maximum floor area

[2:14:23] Voice 5: for structures of buildings and structures did you get that pat no

[2:14:30] Voice 6: okay

[2:14:31] Voice 4: i moved with the north

[2:14:33] Voice 4: pender local trust committee yep direct staff direct

[2:14:38] Voice 4: staff to remove lot area coverage

[2:14:42] Voice 4: from the land use bylaw and replace with are you good i

[2:15:00] Voice 6: i lost you after with it went dead

[2:15:03] Voice 6: and

[2:15:04] Voice 5: replace with total floor area of all buildings and structures total

[2:15:11] Voice 6: floor area of all buildings

[2:15:14] Voice 6: and structures yeah

[2:15:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[2:15:16] Voice 6: thank you all

[2:15:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): right is there a second yeah

[2:15:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): i'll second by trustee

[2:15:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): mcconkie any discussion i'm

[2:15:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): christian i'm chair patrick give me thoughts on this issue

[2:15:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's

[2:15:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): an either or and i think that's the is the question um how come you know how comfortable

[2:15:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): comfortable people are with the number it is it is always an obscure number and you think sometimes

[2:15:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): you think wow 25 percent it's uh it's massive um and then some some other people people get it as

[2:15:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): well wait a minute i want this this thing you know so they push up against it but i guess that's where

[2:15:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): a variance would be a possibility and someone had is that true kim i mean

[2:15:59] Voice 5: yeah because it's a form

[2:16:00] Voice 5: yeah exciting it wouldn't be a form of density so it would be a variance so

[2:16:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know there's a path

[2:16:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): forward so it's not like you're eliminating it and i think i think the way you come about it so

[2:16:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's going to be an interesting to hear the feedback from the community it's just a different

[2:16:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): different way i think some edges is going to need education and conversations sorry

[2:16:20] Voice 5: i should say

[2:16:20] Voice 5: it's first regulating size not saying yes um and also it may actually turn it makes it

[2:16:28] Voice 5: visual of what

[2:16:30] Voice 5: 25% is

[2:16:32] Voice 5: by large.

[2:16:35] Voice 5: Because it doesn't

[2:16:37] Voice 5: eliminate

[2:16:38] Voice 4: the 25%, it converts it

[2:16:39] Voice 4: into a number.

[2:16:41] Voice 4: It averages for the lot range.

[2:16:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right.

[2:16:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any further discussion?

[2:16:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): The

[2:16:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): only point I'll add is that we're getting

[2:16:50] Trustee McConchie (probable): this eliminates a permaculture

[2:16:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): from the definition.

[2:16:55] Voice 5: I just

[2:16:55] Voice 4: don't know how to deal

[2:16:56] Voice 4: with that.

[2:16:59] Voice 4: yeah i mean

[2:17:00] Voice 5: i hate to say this so i can bring it back again but i mean somehow i could add that

[2:17:06] Voice 5: that calculation includes impermeable like that material yeah

[2:17:12] Voice 4: because it's really just that new

[2:17:14] Voice 4: column like you could just put a like star on it and this star includes impermeable services that

[2:17:19] Voice 4: seems to me like we could get it in there and i would really like to because that affects water

[2:17:24] Voice 4: issues so that

[2:17:25] Voice 5: can be a friendly amendment that i will come back with charts somehow including

[2:17:30] Voice 5: permeable material and that would make those larger numbers that

[2:17:34] Voice 4: would be great that would

[2:17:35] Voice 4: really make me happy thank

[2:17:37] Voice 5: you all right any further discussions

[2:17:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): just like yeah i just want

[2:17:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): to be able to take that chart to browning and go hey look at this do you understand this that to me

[2:17:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): not not to say you need to dumb down our bylaws right or talk like it's simple terms or anything

[2:17:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): like that but it may buy in from the community with this this particular yeah i think it always

[2:17:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): helps

[2:17:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): as well to be able to say this is what is now this is what i'm saying so that uh i think

[2:18:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): a lot of people don't understand what exists yeah um

[2:18:07] Voice 3: all

[2:18:08] Voice 4: right any further discussion um you know

[2:18:12] Voice 4: the only other thing on this one was there's a thing about the dwelling located in the agricultural

[2:18:16] Voice 4: land reserve here and it had a dwelling up to 5 000 square feet for a house inside the

[2:18:24] Voice 4: agricultural reserve i wouldn't mind having a discussion about that because four thousand

[2:18:29] Voice 4: square feet is quite significant do you want to talk about

[2:18:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): that i'm just going on this motion

[2:18:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): so uh any further discussion on the motion on the floor i'll call the vote all those in favor

[2:18:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah okay now go after that yeah

[2:18:43] Voice 4: so i'm just i have a little bit of concern about this and

[2:18:48] Voice 4: it's not because i don't think there is housing needed but i know that there were some rules

[2:18:52] Voice 4: changed with the agricultural land reserve around other types of housing

[2:18:57] Voice 4: housing units and the arguments that i've heard about having a 53 hundred square foot house

[2:19:03] Voice 4: don't seem to hold anymore given those other changes so i would like to make that top number

[2:19:09] Voice 4: 4 000 not not 5800 so it's consistent with the top size of house period um and i just i worry

[2:19:17] Voice 4: about agricultural land getting bought because people want that chance like it's an easy pathway

[2:19:24] Voice 4: for having a bigger house if you own agricultural land i really want to make sure agriculture land

[2:19:28] Voice 4: is for agricultural land like it's like not just used because you put a big house on it

[2:19:33] Voice 4: so i don't know that's part of my concern this

[2:19:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): is not under the jurisdiction of the alr

[2:19:40] Voice 4: it is you can

[2:19:42] Trustee McConchie (probable): so the local government just just i think i understand that's correct the local

[2:19:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): government determines the maximum house size of the of the of the house on the agricultural land

[2:19:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): that's where we're gonna have to say

[2:19:52] Voice 4: yeah i can't go above this i don't think that's correct this is

[2:19:55] Voice 4: the ceiling right you

[2:19:56] Voice 4: can be more restrictive but you cannot

[2:19:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): eliminate it yeah

[2:20:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): right well my

[2:20:02] Trustee McConchie (probable): question is why would land under the alr be different like why would our policies be different

[2:20:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): that's right than what everyone else has just because you only owe our land why why why would

[2:20:11] Trustee McConchie (probable): we make the rules different and

[2:20:12] Voice 4: that's my argument so that

[2:20:14] Voice 4: i would want to bring

[2:20:15] Voice 5: it into 4 000 for

[2:20:16] Voice 5: that reason um if i just may add a comment that this is also based on the recommendation from the

[2:20:22] Voice 5: agricultural apc uh that one of the recommendations was to um to have a maximum of the 500 of the

[2:20:31] Voice 5: five thousand five thousand sorry yes so but

[2:20:33] Voice 4: was that before or after the job

[2:20:35] Voice 5: that would have been

[2:20:35] Voice 5: before okay so maybe i would

[2:20:38] Voice 5: imagine their recommendation would still stand i know that

[2:20:41] Voice 5: they were yeah another note is we are also increasing cottage size uh for cottages on

[2:20:49] Voice 5: our within the alr to a maximum of 90 square meters so those are increasing to allow for

[2:20:56] Voice 5: that flexibility yeah so that could be rationale for the ltc but they'll just want to reduce the

[2:21:03] Voice 5: size of housing houses well

[2:21:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): we get to know the rationale behind that recommendation i don't

[2:21:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): recall i don't recall it either i'm trying

[2:21:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): to remember especially if it's a total i mean so

[2:21:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): if you've limited it to 4 000 and they're allowed up to 90 square meters is what 956 square meters

[2:21:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): something like that so

[2:21:22] Voice 4: maybe where are we at in this process are we getting to the point where

[2:21:25] Voice 4: we have like final like

[2:21:27] Voice 4: first reading coming up i'm

[2:21:29] Voice 5: bringing the final draft bylaw to the next

[2:21:32] Voice 5: ltc meeting so that would be for first reading potentially or you can make further amendments

[2:21:36] Voice 5: amendments the timeline says first reading for april or may meeting so

[2:21:41] Voice 4: can i maybe suggest then

[2:21:42] Voice 4: that we we table this up conversation right now but we i get the rationale for the 5800 on the

[2:21:48] Voice 4: table for our next meeting would

[2:21:50] Voice 5: you like to send that to the aapc for further comment there's still

[2:21:53] Voice 4: maybe yeah and yeah let's do that and then then basically have a motion on alternative motion in

[2:21:59] Voice 4: hand for the lubu when it comes forward 4 000. and basically we the question is why for that why this

[2:22:06] Voice 4: instead of that right like that's the question so

[2:22:09] Voice 5: emotionally it'd be great to send this to the aapc

[2:22:11] Voice 5: just the specific rationale or what you're requesting think about it are

[2:22:16] Voice 4: you ready pat

[2:22:19] Voice 4: i'm ready that the north pender local trust committee refer with or how

[2:22:31] Voice 5: do you say that

[2:22:31] Voice 5: refer to the north pender agricultural advisory planning commission to comment on okay

[2:22:39] Voice 4: hold on a

[2:22:40] Voice 4: sec did you get that yes i did okay to cop to provide a rationale for um their suggested

[2:22:51] Voice 4: the suggested maximum house size on ALR.

[2:22:59] Voice 6: Recommended house size?

[2:23:01] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:23:02] Voice 6: On ALR, okay.

[2:23:05] Voice 6: That's it, that's really

[2:23:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): what we want to know.

[2:23:07] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:23:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there a second?

[2:23:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): A second.

[2:23:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): Seconded by Trustee McConkey.

[2:23:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any discussion?

[2:23:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): I guess the only discussion is,

[2:23:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're asking him to comment on that,

[2:23:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): but it's also in relationship to the other dwellings

[2:23:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): as well, the total dwellings that are allowed.

[2:23:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): That all go.

[2:23:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): That all go there.

[2:23:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right uh so for the discussion i'll tell the vote all those in favor that's good thank you

[2:23:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you in advance and yeah you can see is there any other things on pluralism

[2:23:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): and what's the next item or any that's it commercial

[2:23:43] Voice 5: commercial too now we also have

[2:23:47] Voice 5: a bud perfect here too um so this is in regard to the commercial two deal properties for mckinnon

[2:23:55] Voice 5: road the ltc was considering the option of registering a section 219 covenant

[2:24:02] Voice 5: but both property owners have actually come forward and expressed a willingness to decrease

[2:24:09] Voice 5: the density for the three properties so the property owner for 1329 the property permits 26

[2:24:17] Voice 5: six commercial guest accommodation units and they're offering to reduce that to 15 at 1333

[2:24:25] Voice 5: there's 10 units allowed and they're offering to reduce that to five the other property owner for

[2:24:32] Voice 5: 1349 based on their lot size compared to the other lot sizes these two properties are offering to

[2:24:40] Voice 5: reduce it to eight units so if the ltc wishes to decrease the density for those three properties

[2:24:49] Voice 5: staff would recommend foregoing the option of a section 219 covenant because that registering a

[2:24:55] Voice 5: section 2 night cup 219 covenant could actually slow down the process because we want that

[2:25:00] Voice 5: covenant registered before public hearing and i mean it could take a good three four or five

[2:25:07] Voice 5: five months to get that covenant registered so the ltc may want to discuss if they support those

[2:25:16] Voice 5: numbers and if so there's a draft resolution on page 101 i

[2:25:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): uh yeah great so this is awesome but

[2:25:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): that folks are interested in working we talked about before working with you guys to kind of

[2:25:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): make it a your proposal more coherent to modern times uh because the zoning's historically it's

[2:25:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): i hold zoning um so basically what i'm interested in now at this point is is hearing from mckinnon

[2:25:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): neighborhood and i haven't we haven't received any correspondence whatsoever i don't think folks know

[2:25:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): that this discussion is taking place and uh because of covid it's been hard for folks to

[2:25:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): probably get out and talk in the neighborhood or whatever um so it would be very interesting

[2:26:05] Trustee McConchie (probable): to because due to the density of that neighborhood uh to notify the neighborhood about what's going

[2:26:12] Trustee McConchie (probable): what the work of the north pender trust is and inform them about where things are and the proposal

[2:26:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): from the mckinnon road operators that they're interested in they care about the neighborhood

[2:26:25] Trustee McConchie (probable): and that this is their plan uh so i'm just wondering if we should do a mail out to the

[2:26:30] Trustee McConchie (probable): neighborhood and then ask for their comments by may 15th or whatever like i i guess i foresee

[2:26:41] Trustee McConchie (probable): what's happening with what could happen we could go ahead and move forward with you know the

[2:26:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): proposal and then folks be like what are they doing and then we get a reactive neighborhood

[2:26:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): rather than my senses i don't necessarily know that the mckinnon road is aware of what's going on

[2:27:02] Trustee McConchie (probable): So I'm not sure what you guys think about this, but if that's important to you guys, I think it is.

[2:27:11] Voice 4: Yeah. So I, there was some time in the last year, maybe a year and a half, there was some correspondence with at least one of the other, like not these folks on McKinnon Road.

[2:27:22] Voice 4: and the issue the primary issue was the high density and the concern about water

[2:27:28] Voice 3: and

[2:27:29] Voice 4: a little

[2:27:30] Voice 4: bit about traffic but mostly high density concern about water so i feel like these numbers and like

[2:27:38] Voice 4: kudos to like thinking this through because i know that you bought the property yeah you bought

[2:27:43] Voice 4: the property under a very different understanding and there are some tension around how that

[2:27:47] Voice 4: happened like not with you but generally um so i would i would suggest that we actually

[2:27:54] Voice 4: go ahead and accept these numbers these lowering numbers right now get them integrated into the

[2:27:59] Voice 4: proposed land use bylaw and then i agree with you that we should do a targeted mail out into that

[2:28:05] Voice 4: area with those newer numbers and saying that there wouldn't be any water covenants like like

[2:28:12] Voice 4: would so then it provides some clarity like this is what the picture looks like this is you know

[2:28:18] Voice 4: what would happen and i guess i would seek advice about i don't really want to wait for that mail

[2:28:24] Voice 4: out until after the first reading necessarily although the first reading is next month

[2:28:29] Voice 4: probably around the same

[2:28:31] Voice 5: time but potentially first reading is next month um realistically it

[2:28:37] Voice 5: to be may yes there may be once you see the full bylaw there may be so you

[2:28:41] Trustee McConchie (probable): want to so you want to

[2:28:42] Trustee McConchie (probable): create first reading bylaw then be cool with the fact that no

[2:28:46] Voice 4: i'm not saying that

[2:28:47] Trustee McConchie (probable): okay no sorry

[2:28:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): we go to first reading of the bylaw with this i'm

[2:28:54] Voice 4: just asking her oh

[2:28:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): i see okay well that's what

[2:28:57] Trustee McConchie (probable): she's proposing is going to the end of april

[2:29:00] Voice 4: no so you what i heard was that we're probably not

[2:29:03] Voice 4: going to get the first reading until may so given that information i think that we should do a mail

[2:29:09] Voice 4: out but we should do a mail out with with your revised version of this yes it's clear yeah that's

[2:29:14] Voice 5: where we're going potentially yeah right i always

[2:29:17] Voice 5: understand your comments

[2:29:17] Voice 4: received by naysayers

[2:29:21] Voice 4: so i would and i don't know what guidance or what oh you said there was a motion somewhere

[2:29:28] Trustee McConchie (probable): nope uh yeah that the north peter island requests staff to amend the draft land use this on page

[2:29:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): draft land use bylaw to decrease commercial gas accommodation unity density for 1329

[2:29:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): to 15 13 33 to 5 and 13 49 to 8. that's my motion yeah so

[2:29:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): pat did you get that it's on the top of

[2:29:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): page 101.

[2:30:00] Voice 6: Yes, I see that. Thank you.

[2:30:01] Voice 6: And

[2:30:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): the X is eight.

[2:30:04] Voice 6: Okay, thank you.

[2:30:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, so I'll second that.

[2:30:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Pat, did you have a question?

[2:30:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): That was seconded by Trustee Morrison.

[2:30:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any discussion?

[2:30:18] Trustee McConchie (probable): Just briefly, just to summarize the conversation.

[2:30:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): we started the land use bylaw review where there was a you know a desire to potentially just

[2:30:28] Trustee McConchie (probable): rezone the whole area rural residential right now we are the ltc is essentially saying well

[2:30:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): we're willing to work and this development potentially will go ahead this is probably the

[2:30:42] Trustee McConchie (probable): last zoning issue on north pender except for the driftwood that would uh would address these

[2:30:50] Trustee McConchie (probable): historical um zoning issues that we'll find ourselves so i mean i guess the only problem

[2:30:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): i have in the motion is the amount of units is kind of arbitrary like it's a number and um

[2:31:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): the thing that i'm interested to know is you know uh is whether or not that number reflects

[2:31:14] Trustee McConchie (probable): the concerns that williams had with groundwater um the concerns of density in the neighborhood

[2:31:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): that's been expressed to me by neighbors i think it's wonderful that property owners are willing

[2:31:25] Trustee McConchie (probable): to compromise but are we still comfortable with this because this is a shift right and this is

[2:31:32] Trustee McConchie (probable): increasing the amount of tourist commercial accommodation units meaning there will more

[2:31:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): people will come and utilize this me from a political perspective i want to encourage folks

[2:31:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): to develop eco-friendly future thinking tourist commercial accommodation the owners of these

[2:31:57] Trustee McConchie (probable): units have indicated that they're interested in that so in some ways it's important to just

[2:32:02] Trustee McConchie (probable): recognize this is a bit of a compromise from where we started this we did start with saying

[2:32:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): that this is a crazy zoning that's taking place like it's from 1920s or whatever

[2:32:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): over now now the ltc is showing that it's willing to work with the property owners to maybe find a

[2:32:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): compromise the issue i have is what do the neighbors say because i don't think they're

[2:32:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): really part of the conversation and the last point is are those numbers appropriate finally because

[2:32:30] Trustee McConchie (probable): they are kind of arbitrary in some ways so that those are the only open-ended questions i have

[2:32:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): for further discussion uh at future meetings i just wanted to note those and

[2:32:41] Voice 4: so for me the

[2:32:42] Voice 4: the questions that are i all those questions are true and i that's why i actually really want to

[2:32:47] Voice 4: make sure and let me know kim if you also after this one need another motion about doing a mailout

[2:32:51] Voice 4: thingy um because i think that will generate some of that feedback so before we get into the first

[2:32:57] Voice 4: reading we can address that um and and just in terms of the we're adding um adding like units

[2:33:10] Voice 4: or so this zoning was there we had an option to totally remove it which would be to decrease

[2:33:18] Voice 4: decrease units or decrease the number that was already there we're not adding units we're

[2:33:24] Voice 4: actually taking them away right now but we're not taking them completely away so that's the

[2:33:29] Voice 4: difference right and the question the reason we're not taking it completely away potentially

[2:33:34] Voice 4: potentially not actually given yet so the reason why we're not taking away completely

[2:33:39] Voice 4: is the issue that the properties were sold with the zoning in place and the the and bought

[2:33:48] Voice 4: on good faith that there was that zoning in place so that's a bit of a tension right like to just

[2:33:55] Voice 4: not that we can't we actually have the right to take that zoning off but whether that's ethically

[2:34:00] Voice 4: consistent with the purchasing or not purchasing a property related to that zoning that's the

[2:34:04] Voice 4: dilemma we're faced with so trying to find a way forward and i actually really appreciate that the

[2:34:09] Voice 4: property owners have been in that conversation and talking about it we need the neighborhood

[2:34:13] Voice 4: to be in it now so like we you know after coming to this space so please weigh in that would be

[2:34:19] Voice 4: helpful okay

[2:34:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): and the other thing is uh as uh one of our people in the town hall mentioned this

[2:34:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): morning with reminded us of the power of cooperation we do have the southern gulf island

[2:34:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): and tourism partnership it is a management organization and they are a partner that if

[2:34:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is the type of commercial accommodation that you want low impact a certain type of

[2:34:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): accommodation being produced just to work with them because that's the you know the management

[2:34:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): side so it's working with more who they're you know the accommodators are going to be working

[2:34:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): through too what is it that you're trying to project what is the type of accommodation you

[2:35:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): wish to see and use that organization as well yeah just a couple points are you

[2:35:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay yeah okay

[2:35:09] Voice 14: the first thing i just wanted to speak to is just the history of that property i think

[2:35:12] Voice 14: um like it is extremely historic like when you look back at the the photos and it's like charlotte

[2:35:18] Voice 14: who lives on the end of the street like it has a real history of really fun times for families

[2:35:24] Voice 14: we have so many repeat guests like i get stories about i think that's the first piece there it's

[2:35:28] Voice 14: been a successful resort from really 40s i think but 60s was the heyday um i think that's that is

[2:35:35] Voice 14: the first piece and then the second piece i just want to reiterate you know the community is a

[2:35:39] Voice 14: sustainable development that will take place there like you will not like i can stress this enough

[2:35:44] Voice 14: you will not see one more symbol i think that broke who she got bit by a dog she's not here

[2:35:48] Voice 14: um but our goal is to is to really develop that and be a leader in that field i think

[2:35:53] Voice 14: just want to make sure that we understand that like we're not fluffing that like yeah like that

[2:35:58] Voice 14: is for real like we're already taking steps right now with that first year right so um like we are

[2:36:04] Voice 14: 100 committed so i just wanted to put that those two things out there like the history and then

[2:36:09] Voice 14: the sustainability side is those are very important awesome

[2:36:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you

[2:36:14] Voice 3: all

[2:36:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): right all right

[2:36:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh we need to go we have the motion on the floor sorry i had to wake up to that okay any further

[2:36:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): the discussion i'll call the vote then all those in favor that's carried thank you um so is there

[2:36:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): another commercial there's the driftwood um

[2:36:35] Voice 5: if i may just say um a motion for the mail out thank

[2:36:39] Voice 5: you okay 200 meters on the subject property 50. i

[2:36:43] Voice 4: would like mckinnon road road

[2:36:45] Voice 5: like it's aware

[2:36:48] Voice 4: from the ferry terminal

[2:36:49] Voice 3: out yeah on mckinnon road so pat there's gonna be another motion coming

[2:36:54] Voice 3: so

[2:36:57] Voice 6: okay okay

[2:36:59] Voice 5: kim's your person here that the ltc direct staff to um mail out notice to mckinnon

[2:37:12] Voice 5: road property owners of the proposed um reduce in density for c2 properties

[2:37:29] Voice 3: Sure.

[2:37:39] Voice 6: Okay. So direct staff to mail out McKinnon road property information to McKinnon road

[2:37:47] Voice 6: property owners of the proposed reduced density for C2 zone.

[2:37:53] Voice 4: The first

[2:37:53] Voice 6: McKinnon road piece. I don't think you need it there.

[2:37:56] Voice 6: So direct staff to mail out proposed. No, I've got that already.

[2:38:03] Voice 6: to mckinnon road i think people are yes

[2:38:07] Voice 5: mckinnon road property owners yes

[2:38:10] Voice 6: i have that so nothing

[2:38:12] Voice 6: before that so that the north

[2:38:15] Voice 4: pender local trust committee request staff to mail out or to mail out

[2:38:20] Voice 4: to mckinnon road property owners to

[2:38:23] Voice 6: okay so direct staff to mail out to mckinnon road

[2:38:27] Voice 6: property owners of the proposed reduced density for c2 zone yes

[2:38:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's perfect who's making that

[2:38:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): motion that was made by uh trustee morrison it's been seconded by trustee mcconkey is there any

[2:38:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): discussion i'll call the vote then all those in favor that's carried okay now on

[2:38:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the direct

[2:38:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): words

[2:38:49] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's important we're going to do this mail out you're going to get folks contacting you oh

[2:38:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): it

[2:38:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): just be

[2:38:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): aware of the consequences of the motion okay and

[2:39:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): and do your you know talk to

[2:39:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): your neighbors as well that's always helpful um i actually would encourage

[2:39:06] Voice 4: you to just connect

[2:39:06] Voice 4: with kim too like if you want people directly to contact you just work with her to try and

[2:39:10] Voice 4: figure out what that would look like yeah help them

[2:39:13] Voice 18: understand that's great thanks bud for

[2:39:17] Voice 18: coming today

[2:39:17] Voice 3: yeah thank you okay

[2:39:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): gripwood center just

[2:39:23] Voice 5: a quick does anybody know the wi-fi password

[2:39:25] Voice 5: word

[2:39:25] Voice 3: it's test we just connected

[2:39:28] Voice 5: yes yes yes

[2:39:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): i don't think it's the last uh little flips to make

[2:39:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): this work uh

[2:39:38] Voice 5: let's see here so the driftwood center um again it's the discussion there was

[2:39:43] Voice 5: discussion held between the property manager of the center and the ltc and the property manager

[2:39:49] Voice 5: manager requested the LTC retain the C2 zoning in hopes of uh use it constructing a campground

[2:39:57] Voice 5: in the future and based on the law size staff did a quick calculation that there could be

[2:40:02] Voice 5: potentially a maximum of 34 tent camping spaces those numbers could be reduced

[2:40:08] Voice 5: dependent on if those camp spaces are for recreational vehicles and it does not take

[2:40:15] Voice 5: into factor um other other items such as setbacks bathroom facilities and so forth but potentially

[2:40:23] Voice 5: there could be 34 camping spaces in that location so the ltc has a number of options to consider and

[2:40:30] Voice 5: these are all at the bottom of page 101 in the agenda one is to retain the current zoning of

[2:40:37] Voice 5: tourist accommodation and the campground use so keeping both those uses one or the second one is

[2:40:44] Voice 5: permitting either the tourist accommodation use or the camp boundary use so one or the other

[2:40:52] Voice 5: and the other options could be to reduce the density of the tourist accommodation

[2:40:57] Voice 5: use or also the density for the campground spaces and the final option which is what

[2:41:04] Voice 5: the ltc has discussed before is to rezone that portion of the property to permit multi-family

[2:41:11] Voice 5: leave rental housing uh so direction is required from the ltc and staff are looking for a motion

[2:41:20] Voice 5: so

[2:41:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): i've got lots of thoughts on this so we've had two conversations with harvard management

[2:41:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): or dorothy representing harvard management uh it was made clear to me that they

[2:41:32] Trustee McConchie (probable): harold management wants to retain or keep this current zoning but they want to build a campsite

[2:41:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): so they have no intention it was stated in the meeting they have no intention of building the

[2:41:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): commercial accommodation they want to keep the zoning and then they want to build a campsite

[2:41:50] Trustee McConchie (probable): and then when i asked why don't we zone in for a campsite harlem management said or dorothy

[2:41:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): representing harlem management said no we want to keep the tourist commercial zoning regardless

[2:42:02] Trustee McConchie (probable): regardless. So it was like, what? It was very confusing. My original intent was to rezone this

[2:42:09] Trustee McConchie (probable): portion of the property to only permit multifamily rental housing in order to address affordable

[2:42:14] Trustee McConchie (probable): housing issues. I hear nonstop from constituents, you're not doing enough to address affordable

[2:42:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): housing. Please do something, do more. And I try to explain that we are doing great work with

[2:42:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): regards to this but certainly uh i think it's appropriate if we provide direction uh for on

[2:42:33] Trustee McConchie (probable): on e um 27 more commercial accommodation units behind the driftwood i mean this is an old zoning

[2:42:42] Trustee McConchie (probable): that's it's just been sitting there for decades uh it was it was a very viral call um it was a

[2:42:50] Trustee McConchie (probable): very divisive debate when this was off before the local trust committee leading to one of the

[2:42:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): trustees even resigning uh he was receiving death threats or whatever the story goes

[2:43:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): so i don't know if they want to open that can of worms again and so i i don't see anything wrong

[2:43:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): with the trust community proceeding with uh with encouraging affordable housing options

[2:43:12] Trustee McConchie (probable): particularly in a commercial center that requires employees and requires people to be able to

[2:43:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): afford to live here and this is a this would be a great um community asset to have this zoning

[2:43:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): and this is an opportunity for the local trust committee to to encourage that type of thing

[2:43:28] Trustee McConchie (probable): so i would be comfortable directing staff and i'm curious to know what you guys think about this

[2:43:33] Trustee McConchie (probable): directing staff to to permit it multi-family rental housing on that particular section

[2:43:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): and improve the well-being of the community and businesses and young families particularly

[2:43:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): working on families on this island so that's uh that's where i i'm not necessarily ready to make

[2:43:50] Trustee McConchie (probable): a motion but i just wanted to put that on the table right now for you guys to discuss

[2:43:53] Trustee McConchie (probable): how

[2:43:54] Voice 4: much um a question i have about the multifamily thing because the dorothy did

[2:43:58] Voice 4: talk about potentially having that second story on top of the actual commercial facility as

[2:44:05] Voice 4: family housing or residential housing i was curious about like if it goes to multifamily

[2:44:12] Voice 4: my understanding is you still put a maximum unit number yes yeah okay and so like that would be

[2:44:20] Voice 4: relatively arbitrary at this point because i don't

[2:44:23] Voice 4: know what that would be so

[2:44:25] Voice 5: as the the

[2:44:25] Voice 5: draft land use file actually has this the new or the draft uh version of the rental housing zone

[2:44:32] Voice 5: and so for that portion um it would allow up to 16 multi-family rental dwelling units

[2:44:40] Voice 5: so if there's duplex type styles that could be potentially not 16 units 16 buildings 16 not 16

[2:44:48] Voice 4: 16 units yeah

[2:44:49] Voice 5: not buildings and they have to be multi-fountains they have to be

[2:44:52] Voice 5: connected two or more so potentially a maximum of eight buildings oh i see what you're saying yeah

[2:45:00] Voice 4: yeah

[2:45:00] Voice 5: maybe

[2:45:02] Trustee McConchie (probable): then put it this way i'm not willing to support a motion that maintains the current

[2:45:06] Trustee McConchie (probable): commercial use commercial tourist accommodations yeah

[2:45:09] Voice 4: we should i think it's been appropriate

[2:45:10] Voice 4: through for those things because i i particularly

[2:45:12] Trustee McConchie (probable): we've we've given the applicant or the owner uh

[2:45:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): and we've worked with other folks in the community here to reduce density and they're not well they

[2:45:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): have shown no interest in addressing those concerns in fact the argument was made that

[2:45:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): everything's fine the zoning would be fine 27 more commercial units back behind yeah

[2:45:31] Voice 4: so i'm i think i

[2:45:33] Voice 4: think i can agree with you that i'm not for the current zoning so like we just want to step

[2:45:37] Voice 4: through each of these like no no no so like i'm not for keeping the commercial zoning the camping

[2:45:43] Voice 4: think if there was a desire to have camping that's a different zoning and i feel like that

[2:45:48] Voice 4: should be an application the community should be in on that i don't want to do that as part of this

[2:45:52] Voice 4: particular thing unless it's for community benefit which what you're saying is more for

[2:45:57] Voice 4: community benefit so i'm not for a and b which is like you know dealing with either keeping the

[2:46:04] Voice 4: tourist accommodation or switching it to campground lowering the density for commercial units i i just

[2:46:11] Voice 4: just don't think it changes anything there that that area if anything from a community perspective

[2:46:15] Voice 4: is better for employee housing or for seniors housing or for any of those types of things that

[2:46:21] Voice 4: are community service like purposes because it's right there at the dripwood center like it's

[2:46:27] Voice 4: walking distance for people to be working into those are all good things i'm never a huge fan

[2:46:35] Voice 4: on in a rural context of multi-family but if there's anywhere i'm under it would be that's

[2:46:40] Voice 4: where i would put it so um and i have to i have issues about creating a village space in an area

[2:46:50] Voice 4: where i think the water is of a concern so i don't know how to handle that um because any kind of

[2:46:57] Voice 4: residence there is going to pour water and we already have water challenges down there so i

[2:47:02] Voice 4: would prefer it if it was multi-family residential with no groundwater but i don't know that we can

[2:47:07] Voice 4: do that

[2:47:07] Voice 5: well and they would also have to go through a light licensing um for the province

[2:47:14] Voice 5: yeah i'm not i'm

[2:47:16] Voice 4: personally not confident about that process but it's pretty rigorous

[2:47:21] Voice 4: no it's not it's not that it's that what was what's required in that area new to you how

[2:47:25] Voice 4: like we're doing their application is what you know you can do some alternative options which

[2:47:30] Voice 4: is what they did but like we went back and forth on that new to you application because they had to

[2:47:35] Voice 4: do a pump test well if you do a pump test there you actually potentially risk hurting a lot of

[2:47:40] Voice 4: people's water supply if you suck salt water to the pump test

[2:47:43] Voice 4: right so like that

[2:47:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): was our

[2:47:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): requirements on you for water testing not the province i think that was that was our volume

[2:47:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): based water requirements yeah

[2:47:56] Voice 4: it had to do with how the test was done and

[2:47:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): whether our requirement

[2:48:01] Voice 4: Right,

[2:48:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): but the reason

[2:48:02] Voice 4: we couldn't get around that was because we couldn't at that time say that you could use atmospheric water for multifamily residential or for commercial, because the province wasn't allowing atmospheric water for, they've changed that.

[2:48:18] Voice 4: So luckily we're in this place now where you can actually use atmospheric water for commercial or multifamily residential. That was not the case.

[2:48:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i i know like we're maximizing on salt spring all of the new multi-family have brain water

[2:48:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): right which is the

[2:48:34] Voice 4: way i want to go and hopefully anybody building in that area now would just do

[2:48:38] Voice 4: that because it's like sketchy so basically yes i'm not i'm not for any of those first options

[2:48:45] Voice 4: i am for considering multifamily residential i don't know what that would look like

[2:48:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): Well, let me put it, maybe I can just frame the conversation like this.

[2:48:57] Trustee McConchie (probable): We're sitting on the only piece of, one of two pieces of land appropriately zoned for

[2:49:01] Trustee McConchie (probable): affordable housing development.

[2:49:02] Trustee McConchie (probable): The Anglican Church doesn't want to touch it right now.

[2:49:05] Voice 3: I

[2:49:05] Trustee McConchie (probable): don't see within a decade any sort of development taking place right now under the current circumstances,

[2:49:11] Trustee McConchie (probable): the way I see it currently today.

[2:49:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): The other location is Plum Tree Court, zoned.

[2:49:16] Trustee McConchie (probable): They don't have enough money.

[2:49:17] Trustee McConchie (probable): they need money to finish that project i don't see that happening right now now those are two so a

[2:49:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): anglican diocese is a you know entity a housing society is the entity this if we zone it to

[2:49:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): multi-family rental zoning this puts it in the hands of a commercial private business operator

[2:49:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): to be to step up to say hey we care about housing on this island this uh then that would give the

[2:49:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): island three different options to actually address affordable housing and you leave it to capitalism

[2:49:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): or you leave it to the church or you leave it to the public service sector right well who's going

[2:49:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): to step up here and do something right so it's almost

[2:50:00] Voice 1: like we're leading the horse to water or

[2:50:01] Trustee McConchie (probable): whatever the expression is and now it's like okay who's going to step up 27 commercial accommodation

[2:50:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): units it's good to hear that you you don't think that that's appropriate zoning i don't think it's

[2:50:11] Trustee McConchie (probable): appropriate i think it's why they haven't done anything because they have to go through the

[2:50:14] Trustee McConchie (probable): the water license process i'm hoping that maybe they're in the future the province will wake up

[2:50:18] Trustee McConchie (probable): and go hey the affordable housing let's make it streamlined so they can get faster approval

[2:50:22] Trustee McConchie (probable): seems like that's the requirement we

[2:50:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): just sent them a letter from the island's trust asking that

[2:50:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): they create equitable work work with entities to create equitable systems great now carl management

[2:50:32] Trustee McConchie (probable): won't be very we won't be very popular with carl management if we pass this or we direct staff to

[2:50:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): proposed to pass this in a bylaw but at the same time i think that what they're not realizing is

[2:50:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): like to keep those businesses operating they need a place for your employees to live and work

[2:50:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): and to create a village there would be would benefit the island tremendously uh and the island

[2:50:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): economy would potentially thrive if you have folks with secure housing and live right beside the

[2:51:04] Trustee McConchie (probable): business that they potentially operate i mean this is essentially we're trying to get ahead of the

[2:51:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): occur by about 10 years here i would say by doing proposing this so um a campsite you know we've got

[2:51:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): prior centennial or shingle bay um you know a campsite that could be the other option we can

[2:51:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): consider yeah

[2:51:25] Voice 4: application this

[2:51:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): this is an opportunity for the local trust committee to

[2:51:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): direct give options to community to say hey someone step up here this is why where my uh

[2:51:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): intent kind of comes from here so what

[2:51:37] Voice 4: do you need as a motion yeah

[2:51:39] Voice 5: actually i just realized

[2:51:40] Voice 5: that the ldc already made a resolution back in october 22nd to rezone that portion of land to

[2:51:46] Voice 5: rental residential so the ldc agrees with that yep no motion as a part yep

[2:51:52] Voice 11: thank

[2:51:54] Voice 5: you i know it's a

[2:51:55] Voice 5: lot to keep track of that's my resolution no yeah and

[2:52:00] Voice 5: that's the last bit for the land use

[2:52:02] Voice 4: fine but that means that that other zoning would come off or do you need a motion to pull that

[2:52:06] Voice 4: other zone no it already has it's

[2:52:08] Voice 5: already so it's already actually good yeah rental housing

[2:52:12] Voice 5: not the

[2:52:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): process but in the draft okay

[2:52:17] Voice 4: so is that everything on the lub because there was one other

[2:52:20] Voice 4: well

[2:52:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): a quick question also is we want to schedule more special meetings on us i think i feel like

[2:52:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's time now to go to the community with the bylaw like that's one of the alternatives you

[2:52:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): that yeah

[2:52:31] Voice 4: but

[2:52:32] Trustee McConchie (probable): i i mean i mean we've had nine meetings or even nine meetings

[2:52:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): information about this time i think it's now would be very interesting to see if we have 400 people

[2:52:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): show up to a meeting in the coming months and let us know that they don't support this i feel like

[2:52:50] Trustee McConchie (probable): our arguments are well prepared uh and we've comprehensively dealt with almost every issue

[2:52:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): i could imagine they think of uh so i'm ready to to discuss this with community on a bylaw

[2:53:02] Voice 4: there's one other thing that i want to put into the bylaw um i don't know that it will stay in

[2:53:07] Voice 4: the bylaw after a review but we can't add it into the bylaw afterwards so i'd rather have it in for

[2:53:12] Voice 4: you and i know it's going to be extremely popular but i still want to do it um so okay good preface

[2:53:21] Voice 4: yeah i do um do you have a motion for it i

[2:53:25] Voice 5: emailed it to you and can

[2:53:30] Voice 4: and did pat get it too no see it in my i don't know why it's not syncing

[2:53:40] Voice 4: um so basically the idea while we get the motion up here is i i really want to consider

[2:53:48] Voice 4: consider the temporary use permit that is for waste management on near the recycle center

[2:53:57] Voice 4: that like is currently being used for waste management I want to consider it in the land

[2:54:02] Voice 4: use bylaw under waste management zoning because I realized after we had talked about all that that

[2:54:09] Voice 4: the other two places that we put in the land use bylaw for waste management are under the current

[2:54:14] Voice 4: control of a single owner so it only gives us one solution on waste management and for me that just

[2:54:20] Voice 4: is not working right now in our community so i want to consider the existing place where there's

[2:54:28] Voice 4: waste management as part because we shelved all of the industrial zoning and i realized when we

[2:54:33] Voice 4: did that we shelved that piece too so that's what i would like to add so

[2:54:38] Voice 5: it would be would you like

[2:54:39] Voice 5: to see the legalizing of the uses as outlined in the tup uh 2019.7 for for 4415 bedwell harbor road

[2:54:50] Voice 5: um just legalize the uses as outlined include that in the draft land use file yes it would also

[2:54:57] Voice 5: require a amendment to the official community plan because i believe it's designated rural

[2:55:02] Voice 5: yes that's right so

[2:55:05] Voice 4: what is that motion because i'd like to

[2:55:07] Voice 5: put that motion on the table

[2:55:08] Voice 5: uh i would say that the north north pender island local trust committee direct staff to amend the

[2:55:18] Voice 5: draft land use bylaw and draft official official community plan to legalize the uses as outlined in

[2:55:26] Voice 5: in NP-TUP 2019.7 for 4415 Bedwell Harbor Road.

[2:55:35] Voice 5: And I can send that to Pat.

[2:55:37] Voice 5: Yes, Pat, that is finished.

[2:55:39] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:55:42] Voice 6: Kim's gonna send that motion to you.

[2:55:44] Voice 6: Oh, okay, thank you.

[2:55:45] Voice 6: That's a long list

[2:55:46] Voice 6: of it, but that'll help.

[2:55:48] Voice 4: Thank you, Pat.

[2:55:50] Voice 6: Thanks.

[2:55:51] Voice 4: Okay, so I'm gonna make that motion.

[2:55:55] Voice 4: Any second?

[2:55:56] Voice 4: yeah yeah

[2:55:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'll second the motion it was

[2:55:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): seconded made by uh trustee morrison and seconded by uh

[2:56:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry yeah do

[2:56:07] Voice 4: two hands today

[2:56:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): so

[2:56:08] Voice 4: my my concern is when we what the motion would do

[2:56:13] Voice 4: is it would take the existing place where there's current operations for waste management

[2:56:18] Voice 4: and it would make it zoned for that and the reason i wanted to put this on the table is

[2:56:26] Voice 4: at some point in our various process in the last couple years we took the industrial components

[2:56:30] Voice 4: off the table and because we did that it pulled that off the table too because that was in the

[2:56:36] Voice 4: which

[2:56:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): property are we talking about

[2:56:38] Voice 4: it's it's the confused

[2:56:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): to the addresses so

[2:56:41] Voice 4: it's the one

[2:56:43] Voice 4: where the waste management is currently where

[2:56:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): the tup is where

[2:56:46] Voice 4: the grimmer tup is not the grimmer

[2:56:47] Voice 4: not the grimmer tup it's the

[2:56:50] Voice 4: tup for the waste management not the concrete plant it's just north

[2:56:55] Voice 5: of that there's

[2:56:56] Voice 4: two separate tups there one is critical so it's on the back side of the property

[2:57:02] Voice 4: adjacent to the other industrial property yeah um yeah

[2:57:06] Voice 4: and so and the concern i have is that if we

[2:57:11] Voice 4: don't do this then we end our term still with no actual site that is active and like currently

[2:57:22] Voice 4: zone for waste management because the other properties that we had tagged for waste management

[2:57:29] Voice 4: and actually I'm a little bit confused Kim on those two now like those ones did they also get

[2:57:36] Voice 4: shelved with the industrial pieces are they still in there as part of the

[2:57:40] Voice 5: two the yeah they're still

[2:57:42] Voice 5: in there okay yeah

[2:57:43] Voice 4: so there are two properties one is right beside the recycle center one is the old

[2:57:48] Voice 4: gulf excavating site that we added waste management to they're in there they're both

[2:57:53] Voice 4: owned by the same person and they're not being used for waste management and so there we are

[2:58:00] Voice 4: we're like still not with waste management like in that zone right so i really want the community

[2:58:05] Voice 4: to weigh in on it like one way or the other and i want feedback on that so i want to put it in

[2:58:10] Voice 4: basically because i want to get feedback and know that it's either not going to be that place and

[2:58:16] Voice 4: people want it on those other properties or that they're okay with it because that to me is a

[2:58:22] Voice 4: community service issue the waste management transfer is a community service issue everything

[2:58:26] Voice 4: else industrial we need to just do it permit by permit and deal with it and like we have some

[2:58:30] Voice 4: issues to deal with too but that one issue i think is just unresolved and it's been years and it's

[2:58:36] Voice 4: been all these like applications by the people who are running it now and i just feel like that's

[2:58:41] Voice 4: it's it's not responsible from a community perspective not to get that so so that's my

[2:58:48] Voice 4: discussion

[2:58:49] Trustee McConchie (probable): uh well my discussion is that it's not as we know we have a disagreement it's not

[2:58:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): the appropriate place for the location of it the local trust committee was forced into the issue

[2:59:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): which was as a result of land of business owners and landowners not able to find a compromise so

[2:59:06] Trustee McConchie (probable): they found a new spot uh the local trust committee approved the temporary permit and now you're

[2:59:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): asking to make that a permanent uh zoning and that's not something that i can support

[2:59:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): i can i follow your logic and i think that it's putting it out to debate that's how i see this

[2:59:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): puts it out on the public as part of the draft bylaw for people so i i can support

[2:59:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): any further discussion the

[2:59:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): only other discussion is i just i mean we're picking and choosing stuff

[2:59:42] Trustee McConchie (probable): from the industrial review and we're not dealing with the broader issue right so it's like we're

[2:59:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): we're taking some of the industrial we're not addressing the other

[2:59:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): bigger broader issues right and you know i like i

[3:00:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): cannot sympathize enough with the business owner owners having to deal with this for years and

[3:00:05] Trustee McConchie (probable): years and decades um but i mean i just i can't support it because of the principle that um we

[3:00:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): the trust committee is not in the business of mediating property owners and business owners

[3:00:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): agreements it's the land is already there the properties were there we were forced into an

[3:00:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): issue where we have to facilitate a disagreement i don't think that's appropriate way to govern

[3:00:34] Trustee McConchie (probable): so i appreciate you guys wanting to bring some public discussion um but uh i got to stand by

[3:00:41] Trustee McConchie (probable): what i voted for in the beginning which i believe is the correct course of action

[3:00:45] Voice 18: so i can't support

[3:00:46] Voice 18: the motion unfortunately i

[3:00:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): still there are still right longer-term

[3:00:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversations that i've had and i think we've been struggling with that ourselves and i think

[3:00:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's probably a good message for the next term to start on are especially key things like waste

[3:01:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): transfer health services you think of all these things that are absolutely mandatory for the

[3:01:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): the future of the community and it's who should own that land is it you know and those questions

[3:01:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): need to be looked at so that those things are protected and remain you know like the

[3:01:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): operators could come and go with the land is there designated those are conversations we

[3:01:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): should have this community going forward

[3:01:32] Voice 3: and

[3:01:33] Voice 4: we tried to have some of those conversations

[3:01:35] Voice 4: we're getting nowhere right now and i just i'm like at a loss of what to do and i feel like

[3:01:40] Voice 4: irresponsible going through four years and not having some kind of more sustainable solution so

[3:01:46] Voice 4: i i don't know and i'm not convinced that this is it just to be clear i'm not voting i'm not

[3:01:52] Voice 4: saying that this is the solution i need the con i need to put it on the books to get people to

[3:01:58] Voice 4: say something about it one way or the other so yep any

[3:02:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): further discussion then i'll call the vote all

[3:02:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): those in favor all those opposed that carries trustee mcconkey do you want your vote on the

[3:02:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): record uh can you uh uh pat log uh trustee mcconkey is yes yes i

[3:02:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): have that thank you

[3:02:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right uh anything else on this one then on

[3:02:30] Trustee McConchie (probable): uh the land use pilot i don't think that's anything

[3:02:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): yeah unless you need any other direction thank

[3:02:37] Voice 4: you thank you for

[3:02:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): keeping track of all this i know it

[3:02:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right so next time we'll see the black line draft let's do everything all right

[3:02:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): that takes us on to the next 14.3 soil bylaws staff record on page 150.

[3:02:56] Voice 5: well thank you yes um

[3:02:59] Voice 5: i will be summarizing this on robert's behalf so the report updates altc on operator feedback and

[3:03:09] Voice 5: provides options for changes to the draft soil deposit and removal bylaw so over the past few

[3:03:16] Voice 5: months uh staff had been in contact uh with operators and they provided uh written comments

[3:03:22] Voice 5: and also um by verbal discussions with staff and then with um trustee members as well so the stock

[3:03:30] Voice 5: report outlines a number of comments made by the operators um which essentially outlines more so

[3:03:38] Voice 5: issues and concerns with a potential force a soil bylaw some of them are that typically a larger

[3:03:47] Voice 5: projects are typically done by the crd or moti and that results in many negative impacts including

[3:03:54] Voice 5: the dumping of fill on lots also this is uh partially due to the lack of there's also a lack

[3:04:01] Voice 5: of appropriately zoned sites on island that permits the receiving sorting and storage and materials

[3:04:08] Voice 5: the islands do not receive soil for disposal from major off-island developments which is

[3:04:22] Voice 5: essentially the reason why other municipalities have soil adopted soil violence also the volumes

[3:04:31] Voice 5: proposed draft draft soil bylaws are really just too low and that would result requiring permits

[3:04:40] Voice 5: for most jobs so that they would like to see that that amount increased so staff shared many of the

[3:04:48] Voice 5: same concerns of the local operators and also share concerns around administrative costs with

[3:04:57] Voice 5: with a soil removal and deposit by-law,

[3:05:00] Voice 5: and that's included in the staff report on page 117.

[3:05:04] Voice 5: So if the LTC wishes to proceed

[3:05:07] Voice 5: with the considering of a draft by-law,

[3:05:09] Voice 5: staff are recommending that the draft by-law

[3:05:13] Voice 5: emphasize the following.

[3:05:14] Voice 5: That is that a high volume of material

[3:05:19] Voice 5: would be required for the permit,

[3:05:22] Voice 5: accepted sensitive areas,

[3:05:24] Voice 5: um exemptions for clean landscaping materials uh exemptions for where work is recommended by a

[3:05:32] Voice 5: geotech report really the focus on protection of sensitive ecosystems by development permit areas

[3:05:39] Voice 5: and shoreline areas and also street side areas in in order to provide additional protection for

[3:05:47] Voice 5: those areas and enforcement tools and to also exempt zone contractor yards where soil is stockpiled

[3:05:55] Voice 5: so the next steps for the ltc um would be if they wish if the lgc wishes to proceed is to draft

[3:06:03] Voice 5: a bylaw circulate that review review and my law enforcement review and to report back to the ltc

[3:06:10] Voice 5: with the finalized draft so staff have provided a motion for the ltc's consideration on page 115

[3:06:18] Voice 5: and that's for the ltc to request staff to prepare a draft soil deposit and removal bylaw

[3:06:25] Voice 5: with the revisions recommended in this staff report thank you okay thanks yeah

[3:06:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right seems good questions comments thoughts uh

[3:06:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): the additional staff administration

[3:06:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): of a comprehensive bylaw uh would result in increases in the number of inquiry inquiries

[3:06:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): determination needs for permits bylaw enforcement actions so we're creating another branch of

[3:06:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): government essentially with this bylaw because it's a new thing yes absolutely right and but

[3:06:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): the balance and the predicament is is that the operators if they don't the intent of the bylaw

[3:07:06] Trustee McConchie (probable): is to like the dpa we had with steve ensure that the operators are um operating their business in

[3:07:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): a community-minded way that that states that if a neighbor comes to them and says or sorry say

[3:07:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): let's say you're working your expirator company and they you come to the property and then that

[3:07:34] Trustee McConchie (probable): person just bought the property because i want to level the whole land and i want to cut down

[3:07:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): all this and i want to da da da da the operator right right now can often go well the client

[3:07:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): asked me to do that rather than the operator say is that a good idea right so i'm trying to figure

[3:07:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): out a way to balance that so the operator is um is thinking more community-minded and

[3:08:01] Trustee McConchie (probable): environmentally minded i'm concerned right now the way it's presented is by law right is that we're

[3:08:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): creating a we're creating another branch of government the the operators will go there goes

[3:08:12] Trustee McConchie (probable): the island's trust again impeding my living this is a huge bureaucratic mess blah blah blah which

[3:08:18] Trustee McConchie (probable): is what will happen but how do we address the concern that you know people when they do level

[3:08:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): their properties or change things it affects the neighbors and it affects the the area of the island

[3:08:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): so i don't know if a bylaw right now i i i'm i'm inclined to go you know proceed with what staff

[3:08:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): have done but i i don't know if this is something that can be determined necessarily by the current

[3:08:43] Trustee McConchie (probable): trust committee in this in our term i don't i don't you know uh so those are my thoughts

[3:08:49] Trustee McConchie (probable): i'm not sure where you guys stand on this as well i

[3:08:52] Voice 4: guess i one of the i have two questions and

[3:08:54] Voice 4: they're from examples that we've had in the last few years so we had a place in magic lake where

[3:09:00] Voice 4: somebody trying to level out and put giant

[3:09:02] Voice 3: concrete blocks off the property but this yeah

[3:10:13] Voice 5: perhaps the work could be

[3:10:16] Voice 5: stopped and a permit would be required yeah

[3:10:19] Voice 4: see from that perspective

[3:10:21] Voice 4: then that's that's a win because but the problem we have is that the opposite situation also

[3:10:28] Voice 4: happens where now anybody who's trucking xyz around has to do it but i guess you just put

[3:10:34] Voice 4: limits on it so it has to be a significant amount to be well

[3:10:37] Voice 5: that's what the yeah the staff report

[3:10:39] Voice 5: says is really that you require a high volume of material before a permit is required so yeah

[3:10:45] Voice 4: that's not a small

[3:10:46] Voice 5: truck load you're bringing over to do whatever that would be so

[3:10:51] Voice 4: i think it is

[3:10:51] Voice 4: probably worth it just to pursue that from that perspective because then it's it's not everybody

[3:10:56] Voice 4: needing a permit it's not a

[3:10:57] Voice 4: huge amount of additional work necessarily what it's really

[3:11:00] Voice 4: saying it's that it's only in these cases where we're moving big amounts and it we need to make

[3:11:04] Voice 4: sure that this applies to the crd that the little loophole they have is not an option because the

[3:11:09] Voice 4: crd and road works is really what this is geared at like to some degree and there's some kind of

[3:11:15] Voice 4: little loophole they always get through of like well they're cooperating government they have to

[3:11:19] Voice 4: abide by our rules but they're not they're not abiding by our rules all the time so we need to

[3:11:23] Voice 4: make sure that they do because this this would help solve that a little bit too

[3:11:28] Trustee McConchie (probable): what's missing

[3:11:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): thing in this is like a community like imagine a position that where you could get all the operators

[3:11:33] Trustee McConchie (probable): together in a room and talk about by the way this is like hey guys what's the plan here because it's

[3:11:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): not good

[3:11:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): for business yeah to go and nuke your property it's not good what i think would be i

[3:11:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): mean we've certainly got the operator's attention yeah um

[3:11:49] Trustee McConchie (probable): i don't think there's anything wrong with

[3:11:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): having a bylaw in the wings yeah

[3:11:53] Voice 3: and

[3:11:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): then perhaps the operators can self-regulate uh and self-monitor

[3:12:02] Trustee McConchie (probable): but knowing that there is the work done the bylaws in place to involve the local government in order

[3:12:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): to monitor right now it's kind of i mean i've talked to several of the operators and they're

[3:12:16] Trustee McConchie (probable): like whoa right you

[3:12:18] Trustee McConchie (probable): know this is going to affect things and and the intent is to get them to

[3:12:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): consciously think about the work they're doing to ensure that it's it maintains the rural character

[3:12:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): of the island uh and having the bylaw sitting in the wings uh for a future trust committee

[3:12:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): i i mean i i and then we can see how it goes for the next five years because we're going to have

[3:12:43] Trustee McConchie (probable): some we have new people on the island there potentially could be some changes brought and

[3:12:47] Trustee McConchie (probable): then the future trust committee can say hey this is getting out of hand let's bring in

[3:12:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): the government bureaucracy to monitor you guys because you can't figure out how to do it on your

[3:12:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): own um i don't know that's that's that's where i would yeah kind

[3:13:02] Trustee McConchie (probable): of want to because i i really

[3:13:03] Trustee McConchie (probable): believe that the operators here want to do a good job they want to take care of their island they

[3:13:09] Trustee McConchie (probable): They want to make sure that they stay in business, right?

[3:13:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): And they want to do good work.

[3:13:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): And I think a gentle reminder to them

[3:13:18] Trustee McConchie (probable): while working with them is important.

[3:13:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): And keeping this bylaw in place, sitting there is,

[3:13:25] Trustee McConchie (probable): I don't know, it gives the local government

[3:13:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): and the Islanders an opportunity to say,

[3:13:32] Trustee McConchie (probable): yes, let's enact this.

[3:13:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): Or you can go to the next trust committee meeting

[3:13:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): and say, hey guys, there's a bylaw

[3:13:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): staff would work extremely hard on and act it because it's getting out of hand but right now

[3:13:43] Trustee McConchie (probable): we only have like uh we don't have that we have some disturbance we've got four or five

[3:13:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): examples i can think of where the operators were just not thinking yeah and

[3:13:53] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's a big awful scar

[3:13:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): on the island i mean i've lived here all my life and i just couldn't believe some of the work that

[3:14:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): they agreed to do it's it's it's just not not appropriate um so you know i'd be willing to

[3:14:08] Trustee McConchie (probable): move forward for them for staff to draft the bylaw

[3:14:12] Voice 4: yeah i think so because

[3:14:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): they worked hard on it

[3:14:14] Trustee McConchie (probable): yeah and

[3:14:16] Trustee McConchie (probable): then and then we can ask we

[3:14:18] Trustee McConchie (probable): can we can the future trust committee can determine

[3:14:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): the the future of the bylaw and it's not something we have to decide now but i certainly would like

[3:14:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): to keep the work going yeah

[3:14:28] Voice 4: i think so i think if we okay so i'll throw the motion on the table

[3:14:31] Voice 4: that the north kender island local trust committee requests staff prepare a job soil deposit and

[3:14:36] Voice 4: removal bylaw with the revisions recommended staff report of march 24th and that's on page 115 pat

[3:14:48] Voice 6: yes sorry i thought i actually just disconnected there for two minutes but i got back and

[3:14:53] Voice 6: is there

[3:14:57] Voice 3: a second yeah no

[3:15:06] Voice 1: that's right it was

[3:15:09] Voice 3: seconded by trustee uh any discussion

[3:15:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): I have some questions. I'm going to look to staff who are busy while I get the understanding of what you want to do here.

[3:15:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is this something staff have the time to do, or is this taking you away from doing something else that would support the overall land use bylaw project or others?

[3:15:38] Voice 5: I work on this draft bylaw, and I would not be surprised if he's actually got something already drafted.

[3:15:43] Voice 5: in the next few months to see for review and then at that time the ltc can decide to adopt

[3:15:49] Voice 5: or move forward for adoption or to table it but yeah it certainly would and

[3:15:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): then the other for

[3:15:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think it's similar to what you were talking about earlier beginning the meeting uh trustee

[3:15:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): morrison about sort of next term and stuff starting off on a new path of types of meetings

[3:16:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): on salt spring we've been holding these meetings with the aggregate groups as i told you before

[3:16:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): on the quarterly this past meeting we we have asked to extend the set to the next sector being

[3:16:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): the building uh in contractor trade um of starting an initial meeting with them so i think there's

[3:16:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): real value in sitting down the sectors and having those conversations and hearing from them because

[3:16:27] Voice 3: it is

[3:16:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): a two-way street there's things that we're frustrated with and there's things they're

[3:16:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): frustrated with and i think getting that open dialogue will help anyway any further discussion

[3:16:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): no i

[3:16:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): will call the vote then all those in favor and that's carried okay i think that takes care

[3:16:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the bulk of the business here we do have the work program report top priorities and um uh

[3:16:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): project lists so i don't there

[3:16:56] Voice 5: was one thing there's a

[3:16:57] Voice 5: project list one

[3:16:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): yes yeah

[3:16:58] Voice 5: um i may

[3:16:59] Voice 5: recommend that the ltc may want to remove the short-term vacation um rental or project from

[3:17:06] Voice 5: from the top priorities list.

[3:17:09] Voice 5: Certainly you can keep the other three items up there,

[3:17:12] Voice 5: which is the groundwater sustainability project,

[3:17:16] Voice 5: the land use bylaw review project, and the soil bylaw.

[3:17:19] Voice 5: And then on the projects report,

[3:17:21] Voice 5: the AFLTC may wanna consider adding a project review,

[3:17:26] Voice 5: alternative housing types, or tiny holes in the RDPs,

[3:17:30] Voice 5: adding that as a potential project to the projects list.

[3:17:33] Voice 5: yeah can

[3:17:34] Voice 6: you talk about that okay

[3:17:35] Voice 4: so that was there was a good question um i think you asked

[3:17:40] Voice 4: about like the the effort that was named this morning around housing was really about rvs and

[3:17:48] Voice 4: tiny homes it was not including the kind of housing society it's not it wasn't a holistic

[3:17:53] Voice 4: approach to housing um and i'm not personally comfortable with going forward with something

[3:18:00] Voice 4: that singular issue as opposed to like looking at the whole of the housing issue um so i wouldn't

[3:18:05] Voice 4: mind putting something on the projects list that's about like understanding and examining housing

[3:18:11] Voice 4: needs or like affordable housing needs maybe it's more specific than that but i don't know that i

[3:18:16] Voice 4: want it to be just our needs so but that seems like a much bigger project i

[3:18:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): mean like the housing

[3:18:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): thing i mean you could get hours and hours and hours of reading that ios trust documents have

[3:18:30] Trustee McConchie (probable): done like from 2015 to whatever 2020 there's tons of material there's lots and lots of analysis this

[3:18:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): local trust committee has done approved secondary suites uh we

[3:18:42] Trustee McConchie (probable): have three places now in zoning for

[3:18:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): affordable housing that's government that's uh anglican diocese that's now private um we have

[3:18:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): increased the size of cottages on properties we have put a temporary pause on uh enforcement of

[3:18:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): people living in rv trailers what else do we need to do rob would be what i would say to

[3:19:03] Trustee McConchie (probable): rob right getting the staff to study the issue again i mean like like guys at some point the crd

[3:19:11] Trustee McConchie (probable): and the province have to step up and do something here in the southern gulf islands right and i'm

[3:19:17] Trustee McConchie (probable): talking talk and talk and blame the trust and the trust is the problem sometimes what i hear

[3:19:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's actually not the case at all so i don't know if we that's where staff needs another project to

[3:19:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): do with studying housing and getting some solutions to this it's like come on guys so the

[3:19:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): project list is a list it is not an instruction to staff to initiate work a project list is a

[3:19:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): parking place that just says this is something i'm just saying that's what the purpose of the

[3:19:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the project list is that we don't lose track of an idea and that it gets parked so that as you

[3:19:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): choose work to do in the future you look at that and say well this came up before

[3:20:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): i don't

[3:20:04] Trustee McConchie (probable): think we're going to forget about the issue if the list is there for our family

[3:20:08] Trustee McConchie (probable): yeah i

[3:20:09] Trustee McConchie (probable): don't know i you know i appreciate what rob's saying but uh kind of at like uh maximum

[3:20:16] Trustee McConchie (probable): maximum capacity to do something right like but if you want to put it on the projects report that's

[3:20:22] Trustee McConchie (probable): great i mean i don't necessarily know if it leads to anything yeah

[3:20:27] Voice 4: so i would like to put something

[3:20:28] Voice 4: on the projects list around uh exploring pender related options for affordable housing i don't

[3:20:37] Voice 4: want that to be on our top priority list right now because i don't want to add that onto workload

[3:20:41] Voice 4: right now we have a lot on the go and i want to finish before we add it

[3:20:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah that's fair we need

[3:20:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): a

[3:20:48] Voice 4: motion to add to a project list okay i make a motion with the north pender island local trust

[3:20:53] Voice 4: committee add a review of pender based affordable housing options onto the project still need to

[3:21:02] Voice 4: say pender based because i think ben's point is totally on point like there's a ton of written

[3:21:07] Voice 4: now generally we don't want that we want to understand what's happening here and what's

[3:21:12] Voice 4: missing so pat did you hear that uh

[3:21:16] Voice 6: sorry that the ltc other review

[3:21:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): that was unstable again so

[3:21:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): i hope she's back i don't see the red

[3:21:22] Voice 6: you okay now can you hear me now go ahead okay

[3:21:29] Voice 6: Okay, that the LTC add a review of Pender-based affordable options for housing.

[3:21:43] Voice 6: I think I lost you again.

[3:21:47] Voice 4: Yes, affordable

[3:21:48] Voice 6: housing options.

[3:21:50] Voice 4: Yeah, so affordable housing options.

[3:21:52] Voice 4: And we need to make sure it says the North Pender Local Trust Committee.

[3:21:55] Voice 6: Yes, yeah, that's, yeah.

[3:21:57] Voice 6: Okay, so Pender-based affordable housing options.

[3:22:02] Voice 6: Yes. Thank you. All right. Is that seconded? I second.

[3:22:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Seconded by Trustee McConkie. Any discussion? I'll call the vote. All those in favor? And that's carried.

[3:22:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): And a motion to remove

[3:22:14] Voice 5: the short-term vacation.

[3:22:16] Voice 5: Okay. Another motion, Pat?

[3:22:18] Voice 5: Okay.

[3:22:19] Voice 4: I move that the North Kendra Local Trust Committee remove the STVR review project from the top priorities list.

[3:22:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes. Okay.

[3:22:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is that seconded?

[3:22:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): I second.

[3:22:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): second i'm trusting mcconkie any discussion call the vote all those in favor carry

[3:22:35] Voice 4: thank you right

[3:22:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): completing a project okay so we have an applications report here are there any

[3:22:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): questions on the applications report what

[3:22:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): was the warren do you know the result of the board

[3:22:47] Trustee McConchie (probable): of variance decision yesterday no i don't know okay i was just wondering was that

[3:22:52] Voice 6: the elliott one

[3:22:52] Voice 6: yeah okay i was curious i took the minutes for that meeting oh

[3:22:58] Voice 4: do you know what was the outcome

[3:22:59] Voice 4: of the elliott yeah

[3:23:01] Voice 6: they yes yeah they approved it okay thank you you're

[3:23:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): welcome uh okay trustee

[3:23:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): and local expense reports here for your um well this is the end of january 22th we're now in the

[3:23:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): last month of fiscal

[3:23:19] Voice 4: okay so i have a question about that so we're in the last month of fiscal

[3:23:23] Voice 4: and we have uh 2500 2300 left of our local trust many expenses and then our projects we have 9 000

[3:23:36] Voice 4: yes well as of the end of january as at the end of january okay i just want to

[3:23:42] Voice 4: check with kim

[3:23:44] Voice 4: like is there things that we should spend out like for that in terms of our projects in terms

[3:23:51] Voice 4: of like mail outs or things that are going to benefit our community that we need to get on the

[3:23:55] Voice 4: deck

[3:23:55] Voice 5: well this would just go until from my i believe until march of or the 31st so

[3:24:02] Voice 4: and it refreshes so it's really interesting to me because this then just giving the budget

[3:24:08] Voice 4: conversations such as concept is what happens is all this money is going to go into surplus now

[3:24:13] Voice 4: is what my understanding is i can yeah i'm sure

[3:24:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm not actually asking something carries on if

[3:24:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): it was contemplated yeah

[3:24:22] Voice 4: okay so just to be aware the north pender and local trust committee is

[3:24:28] Voice 4: underspending regularly even though we're doing a ton i just want to say that okay

[3:24:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): well there is there is money allocated towards communications but we've already asked requested

[3:24:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): did that the mail goes to mckinnon's we are actually getting into that expenditure yeah

[3:24:46] Voice 3: all

[3:24:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): right all right any further and then we have basically there's a islands trust

[3:24:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): conspiracy report here from operation and this is our next meeting

[3:24:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): can i

[3:24:59] Trustee McConchie (probable): i'm sorry to interrupt here patrick just really randomly while we're talking about the

[3:25:03] Trustee McConchie (probable): conservancy i had a property owner approach me indicating that they are wanting to potentially

[3:25:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): apply for a subdivision of their property however they would prefer to subdivide it

[3:25:17] Trustee McConchie (probable): so half the property belongs to a covenant or concert current conservancy but the the property

[3:25:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): owner's um point was that the they make way more money as a subdivision for a residential

[3:25:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): residential neighbor uh savings split in half you make more money if you put a home on it as

[3:25:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): opposed to making more money if you conserve it

[3:25:39] Voice 3: right

[3:25:41] Trustee McConchie (probable): and she was like can you bring this up at

[3:25:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): a meeting uh can you discuss this what what what avenue could could you go about advocating for

[3:25:50] Trustee McConchie (probable): the fact that there are people who potentially want to subdivide give that land to an organization

[3:25:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): like the conservancy but that the financial incentive is actually not really that good

[3:26:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): it the reward isn't that strong for this person so she's more likely to subdivide it to turn it into

[3:26:06] Trustee McConchie (probable): another property right yeah and she was like can we can you mention that during the conservancy

[3:26:11] Trustee McConchie (probable): report and i thought well that's interesting how if you do subdivide something the environment isn't

[3:26:16] Trustee McConchie (probable): as as valuable on the market um but uh her argument was that there needs to be more incentives for

[3:26:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): people like her who don't need the whole tent whatever it was eight acres um but she has no

[3:26:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): choice because she's having trouble paying the bills for whatever reason she might have to

[3:26:34] Trustee McConchie (probable): subdivide to make money and it's and her point was like isn't that too bad that the but there's not

[3:26:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): much more incentive for people to put their land into a covenant or to preserve it so there is

[3:26:43] Voice 4: mechanisms um and the mechanisms are to talk to the pender island conservancy because the pender

[3:26:49] Voice 4: island conservancy regularly purchases land and are working with landowners across the island to

[3:26:53] Voice 4: purchase land that is ecologically valuable to put it into the conservancy and and

[3:27:00] Voice 4: they're not

[3:27:01] Voice 4: necessarily just doing it in a way where they're helping with covenants they're purchasing land

[3:27:06] Voice 4: so

[3:27:06] Trustee McConchie (probable): the conservancy is doing more

[3:27:08] Voice 4: yeah no no no

[3:27:10] Trustee McConchie (probable): that's what i'm saying the pender conservancy

[3:27:12] Trustee McConchie (probable): is doing more with regards to that than the island trust concerns

[3:27:15] Voice 4: they're related they're related and

[3:27:18] Voice 4: it's so they're but the problem is that and i don't totally understand this i'm not actually

[3:27:23] Voice 4: a hundred percent on how this all fits together but each island's conservancy is essentially

[3:27:28] Voice 4: responsible to do fundraising or like look after that kind of ecological pattern across the island

[3:27:35] Voice 4: and then they work with the island's trust conservancy as a mechanism to manage those lands

[3:27:40] Voice 4: to this is

[3:27:41] Voice 4: so like i've been at several visits with the pender island conservancy and the island's

[3:27:45] Voice 4: trust conservancy as a management entity to come in and look at those lands so once they're in the

[3:27:50] Voice 4: pender island conservancy has done the purchasing done the transition of them they go into the

[3:27:55] Voice 4: islands trust conservancy pool of things to be managed okay

[3:27:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): so should we we should so when

[3:27:59] Trustee McConchie (probable): someone comes like this the reason i'm bringing stuff the public meetings

[3:28:02] Trustee McConchie (probable): might be listening or

[3:28:03] Trustee McConchie (probable): whatever so you know if you're interested in this you should contact the pender conservancy

[3:28:06] Voice 4: is

[3:28:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): the kind of the direction yeah

[3:28:09] Voice 4: that would be my suggestion to begin with i don't know what you

[3:28:11] Trustee McConchie (probable): think about that sure patrick but well

[3:28:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): that and uh well that motion that scott colburn and i brought

[3:28:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): about trying to create a fund for a housing entity we we modeled it based on san juan the

[3:28:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): money that's collected from san juan is also used to purchase conservation land because it's a way

[3:28:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): of extracting density as well so there's a housing benefit of buying conservation land to remove

[3:28:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): densities so it's creating funds and all of this gets down to whether you're fundraising on your

[3:28:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): island so there's more resources to come to the table that create funds that you know people can

[3:28:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): draw on to purchase land because that is that is the best way to conserve land is to buy it

[3:28:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's tax advantages all kinds of things that need to be exploited and done by

[3:29:01] Voice 4: the land okay

[3:29:02] Voice 3: and

[3:29:02] Voice 4: we have the opposite or the complementary happening as well where people that do have

[3:29:07] Voice 4: have financial means are donating like the property that she donated and they're covenanting

[3:29:14] Voice 4: and going through the work and expense to covenant it on their own and then like it's

[3:29:20] Voice 4: moving into the conservancy but that's you have to have capital to be able to do that

[3:29:25] Voice 4: in the situation you're talking about working with the pender out yeah

[3:29:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): that's okay that's good

[3:29:30] Trustee McConchie (probable): okay thanks guys appreciate it

[3:29:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay then um this is a time for a second town hall here

[3:29:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): so uh we do not rework decisions that we made today but uh this is your chance to talk to us i

[3:29:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): want to remind you to be respectful but uh um please uh anyone who wants to talk

[3:29:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): to us a second time today our

[3:29:55] Voice 11: first time sorry second

[3:29:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): town hall yes

[3:30:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): might that's good i guess yeah just speak up loudly so they can hear the

[3:30:03] Voice 16: minister george

[3:30:04] Voice 16: so

[3:30:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): i have

[3:30:12] Voice 3: two

[3:30:19] Voice 17: things so we were going to present this earlier but i wasn't able to because i

[3:30:22] Voice 17: noticed there was not an attend button yes

[3:30:25] Voice 16: sorry about that

[3:30:25] Voice 17: did you know we discussed

[3:30:26] Voice 16: your

[3:30:26] Voice 17: correspondence yes i

[3:30:28] Voice 16: do i know that

[3:30:29] Voice 17: thank you but uh mary boland asked me to present hers

[3:30:32] Voice 17: okay if i could and then i'll make a few other comments so i'm just reading from may reads okay

[3:30:39] Voice 17: and i'm not may read but may read as a resident of salt spring of saturn and a retired geologist

[3:30:45] Voice 17: and she's been she and dave have been looking at the proposed groundwater dpas and it will

[3:30:52] Voice 17: will be replicated across the islands. That seems to be the intention. And the question she wants

[3:30:57] Voice 17: to raise with respect to the GW Solutions report on groundwater availability, they'll be discussed

[3:31:04] Voice 17: at the Saturna LTC in May. And the point is the water demand estimates for Saturna are way too

[3:31:12] Voice 17: high. It's the same as North Bender. They're equally inflated on North Bender. And in a

[3:31:20] Voice 17: communication that may read had with the islands trust director of planning services the response

[3:31:25] Voice 17: was i understand your concerns we are also contracting gw solutions to address water

[3:31:32] Voice 17: demand parameters and expect that report to be ready in april or may in the report groundwater

[3:31:39] Voice 17: assessment availability which was released i believe by them in october and showed up on the

[3:31:45] Voice 17: public records in january anything above five percent is flagged as being of concern

[3:31:51] Voice 17: in a recharge there's no reason given in the report that we've noticed yet why the low

[3:31:57] Voice 17: threshold of five percent we do know that the land use parcel maps used are using average urban

[3:32:06] Voice 17: water usage for colonna now colonna residential properties irrigate their lawns not many have

[3:32:15] Voice 17: have lawns here and fewer would irrigate. That inflates water usage. Some other examples,

[3:32:24] Voice 17: urban parks are classified as 50% irrigated. Saturna is 50% parked, so the water estimate

[3:32:30] Voice 17: is ridiculous. Domestic water use is set at 625 liters per day. This is too high. People who live

[3:32:40] Voice 17: with wells and water collection use water conservatively. Return of domestic water

[3:32:47] Voice 17: through septic fields is unacknowledged.

[3:32:50] Voice 17: Effectively, there's no net use of groundwater in Saturna.

[3:32:55] Voice 17: So in her conclusion, she states,

[3:32:57] Voice 17: water demand estimates for Saturna are inflated.

[3:33:02] Voice 17: North pendant data are equally flawed and inflated.

[3:33:08] Voice 17: Mayreid asks that the water DPA be stopped

[3:33:12] Voice 17: until, in the words of the trust policy statement,

[3:33:14] Voice 17: multiple ways of knowing,

[3:33:16] Voice 17: including best available area-based mapping,

[3:33:19] Voice 17: I trip over that long phrase,

[3:33:20] Voice 17: is science social science local knowledge and indigenous indigenous ways of knowing are thoroughly

[3:33:26] Voice 17: explored may read asked me to read that for her so yeah i recall

[3:33:34] Trustee McConchie (probable): hearing her presentation

[3:33:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): trust counsel as well as an allegation yeah okay

[3:33:37] Voice 17: so i'd like to just i know you've read the the

[3:33:41] Voice 17: letter that i wrote earlier this week and i appreciate you you talking about it at some

[3:33:46] Voice 17: length and responding to it so i'm not going to repeat it but i've i've been around this island

[3:33:52] Voice 17: for almost 50 years water has always been an issue now i read the report and i go through 190 pages

[3:34:02] Voice 17: of charts and i suspect that the contract paid for the reports is not my for all those 190 tables and

[3:34:11] Voice 17: not much else by the time they produced every one of those single reports based on and i understand

[3:34:18] Voice 17: that there's always more data that we can get, but the data was extremely limited, frankly.

[3:34:26] Voice 17: And to now say we're going to base a DPA on the basis of that is very concerning to me.

[3:34:33] Voice 17: And here's why it's concerning to me. There's a perverse effect of the increasing regulation

[3:34:41] Voice 17: that you add over time. And that perverse effect is it makes things more and more unaffordable here.

[3:34:54] Voice 3: the trust along with other people are

[3:34:56] Voice 17: turning the islands into a gated community.

[3:34:59] Voice 17: Only people who are very wealthy will be able to live here because they can hire all the consultants

[3:35:06] Voice 17: to do these DPA studies so we can have another conversation about things.

[3:35:11] Voice 17: They can hire all the technology that's required to go through things. I'm currently building a

[3:35:19] Voice 17: house I put in a 28,000 gallon water system to collect rainwater but I still had to have a well

[3:35:28] Voice 17: to prove well where I designed it for 35,000 gallons a year for a family of four which all

[3:35:34] Voice 17: of the climate models show me will suffice but I had to put in a well to prove that I have water

[3:35:42] Voice 17: maybe that's changing but it certainly didn't change when I started building and so it really

[3:35:50] Voice 17: really concerns me when I see another DPA being considered

[3:35:56] Voice 17: when in fact, if we take the same amount of energy

[3:35:59] Voice 17: and the same amount of money

[3:36:00] Voice 17: like the fire department does for fire awareness,

[3:36:05] Voice 17: let's talk about water awareness.

[3:36:08] Voice 17: Let's talk about it, make it part of the community,

[3:36:11] Voice 17: conversation in the community.

[3:36:13] Voice 17: Regulation is for the one or two bad actors, ultimately,

[3:36:17] Voice 17: some of the things you're talking about.

[3:36:19] Voice 17: But we forget that the rest of us

[3:36:22] Voice 17: all end up having to live by those regulations and it increases the burden and increases the

[3:36:28] Voice 17: cost and i'm really worried that people who are coming to these islands are not going to be able

[3:36:35] Voice 17: to afford to live here and how are we going to get things done how are we going to have grocery

[3:36:40] Voice 17: stores how are we going to have medical service how are we going to have teachers who can't find

[3:36:44] Voice 17: accommodation how are we going to have people to look after our properties and do maintenance

[3:36:49] Voice 17: the more and more regulation we add the more and more costly it becomes there's a lot to be said

[3:36:56] Voice 17: about if you want to add a regulation take two out thank you for letting me speak and thank you

[3:37:05] Voice 17: for receiving my letter i do my best to give you a thoughtful letter thanks thank you jordan

[3:37:12] Voice 4: can i ask a quick clarification um why just a non-necessary specific to georgia's house but

[3:37:19] Voice 4: So why was there a proof of water and a cistern required?

[3:37:23] Voice 4: Does anybody know that?

[3:37:24] Voice 4: Because my understanding is that that's not the case.

[3:37:26] Voice 4: I think building permits

[3:37:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): still require wells.

[3:37:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): There is a weird, it's still on Salt Springs, same thing.

[3:37:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is that in our bylaw?

[3:37:35] Voice 5: The only thing we're requiring like that is for a subdivision application.

[3:37:39] Voice 5: So it must have been at the building permit stage, I'd imagine.

[3:37:42] Voice 4: So that's a

[3:37:43] Voice 4: CRD related issue?

[3:37:45] Voice 4: Because

[3:37:45] Voice 5: that should

[3:37:46] Voice 4: not be kicking back on our bylaws.

[3:37:48] Voice 4: is because my understanding is for a single family dwelling you can have a sister and really in the

[3:37:52] Voice 4: house like as long as you're showing the building permit that your sister is having clean water

[3:37:56] Voice 4: like it's with me i read water so there should not have been proof of water from a well required

[3:38:02] Voice 4: i can't speak to the building requirements so george you should like let me know specifically

[3:38:07] Voice 4: about that because from my perspective you should not have had to prove well well

[3:38:12] Voice 16: it may be crd my

[3:38:13] Voice 16: My point is there's regulations on regulations by duplicating things

[3:38:18] Voice 16: and overlapping jurisdictions.

[3:38:20] Voice 16: Oh,

[3:38:20] Voice 4: I get that.

[3:38:20] Voice 4: It's part

[3:38:20] Voice 4: of the CRP

[3:38:21] Voice 16: because that's what we've talked to.

[3:38:23] Voice 4: It's

[3:38:23] Voice 16: five years ago.

[3:38:24] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:38:24] Voice 4: No, I get that.

[3:38:25] Voice 4: I get the overlapping problem, and we're trying to work that out with them.

[3:38:28] Voice 4: But, yeah, that particular issue, I was like, wow,

[3:38:31] Voice 4: I've thought about that problem, and I was like, why are we still having that?

[3:38:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): If I can just add quickly, this is the overtones of the comments from George

[3:38:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): indicate a broader political conversation which goes back to political theory years and centuries

[3:38:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): ago which is essentially do humans need regulations in order to behave appropriately or not

[3:38:54] Trustee McConchie (probable): now what's happening is the islanders are feeling over regulated due to the increasing size of our

[3:39:01] Trustee McConchie (probable): local government there's a lot of local government in charge here so the question really for us to

[3:39:08] Trustee McConchie (probable): ponder over whatever pub time is is whether or not in order to protect the planet in order to

[3:39:16] Trustee McConchie (probable): protect the environment humans are able to do it on their own or government comes in to regulate

[3:39:24] Trustee McConchie (probable): i mean that's kind of the overtone of the conversation right of course the way things

[3:39:30] Trustee McConchie (probable): are right now how could you possibly argue in favor of more governance it's just i hear what

[3:39:35] Trustee McConchie (probable): george is saying 100 at the same time it concerns me that if regulation is not introduced there are

[3:39:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): folks that could take advantage of it how do you mitigate that through education you're not going

[3:39:53] Trustee McConchie (probable): to change their mind someone wants to speed in the school zone all the education and commercials in

[3:40:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): in the world aren't going to stop from speeding in the school zone so you know it's uh it's a

[3:40:08] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's a broader conversation that george is touching upon not just related to a dpa on water

[3:40:12] Trustee McConchie (probable): you know so yeah so

[3:40:14] Trustee McConchie (probable): i mean it's a further conversation but i appreciate george bringing

[3:40:17] Trustee McConchie (probable): it up because it actually is one of the integral parts of what trust council has been debating for

[3:40:22] Trustee McConchie (probable): four years now is what you know how much government do we need how much how bureaucratic

[3:40:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): and how big brother should the trust be in regulating the environment uh these are these

[3:40:33] Trustee McConchie (probable): are good questions that the future trust committee as well will have to grapple with so i appreciate

[3:40:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): bringing them on and

[3:40:37] Voice 4: i think one of the things that i've been thinking a lot about is like

[3:40:41] Voice 4: what is the form of regulation too because that's a big issue like we do a lot of like proactive

[3:40:48] Voice 4: like you have to ask to do xyz whereas if we really strip down regulations to basically say

[3:40:54] Voice 4: if you're a bad actor this is going to be the like stick that we use you know and otherwise

[3:41:00] Voice 4: these are the guidelines and we just educate about them and everybody

[3:41:03] Voice 4: just like leans in and

[3:41:05] Voice 4: follows the guidelines because they know that and if you don't you don't have to apply for

[3:41:09] Voice 4: permitting like there's there's that type of thing that could be done where it's more guidance it's

[3:41:14] Voice 4: like education but if you break it then it gets really heavy quickly yeah

[3:41:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): for sure what i'm what

[3:41:22] Trustee McConchie (probable): what I'm worried about is because you do see a lot of criticisms of the trust

[3:41:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): right now

[3:41:27] Voice 3: and

[3:41:28] Trustee McConchie (probable): the trust not working with the community. Right.

[3:41:32] Trustee McConchie (probable): You know, us having to address this concept of over-regulation.

[3:41:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): I mean, the trust is sort of doing a real tight balance right now.

[3:41:40] Voice 3: And

[3:41:41] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's going to be very interesting times ahead for our leadership as we

[3:41:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): grapple with these issues. So way to make the big broad conversation, George.

[3:42:08] Voice 2: in the late 1970s regarding this this topic of the of the dpa for water management um late 1970s

[3:42:20] Voice 2: the Islands Trust asked the province to compile an agricultural capability study for the soils

[3:42:28] Voice 2: and that was done. There are 2,000 data points on North Pasadena and that has become part of

[3:42:36] Voice 2: the Canada Land Inventory for Agricultural Capability and the mapping that was produced

[3:42:47] Voice 2: has or should inform land use decisions

[3:42:51] Voice 2: that was intentionally out of this trust ever since.

[3:42:54] Voice 2: When there's land, you need agricultural capability rating

[3:42:59] Voice 2: and let's look it up and the mapping is there.

[3:43:01] Voice 2: Of course, in the ALR, the ALC can provide it,

[3:43:05] Voice 2: but the public can look it up too on the mapping.

[3:43:09] Voice 2: And we're in the same situation now.

[3:43:13] Voice 2: Your committee has asked William Cholba

[3:43:17] Voice 2: and associates to produce mapping to inform your land use decisions now whether that's done with

[3:43:24] Voice 2: the dpa or some other means the agricultural capability stuff is available and should inform

[3:43:31] Voice 2: decisions and so should properly data verified proper science and properly interpretable

[3:43:42] Voice 2: um data for the for the water mapping um and if that's not george's suggested that's a bit of an

[3:43:50] Voice 2: issue then let's get a consultant in and rejig it and and get it interpretable um but the data

[3:43:58] Voice 2: is absolutely necessary whether it gives rise to regulation or not there isn't any for the

[3:44:04] Voice 2: agricultural capability same in the in the trust policy statement um but to diminish the need for

[3:44:14] Voice 2: the the water knowledge is is would be very sad just as it would have been very sad to scrap the

[3:44:20] Voice 2: soil knowledge in the late 1970s um and of course uh regulation is for the the few um and most uh

[3:44:31] Voice 2: But we've got all too many examples.

[3:44:33] Voice 2: And when that, what you called earlier bad actors,

[3:44:38] Voice 2: when they hit, they hit hard.

[3:44:40] Voice 2: So we'll now move to the soil model

[3:44:42] Voice 2: and whether or not that's necessary.

[3:44:45] Voice 2: And in the last trustee term,

[3:44:49] Voice 2: an issue sort of hit the fan of CRD work,

[3:44:54] Voice 2: which had the effect of depositing.

[3:44:58] Voice 2: It was down a steep review.

[3:45:00] Voice 2: you, there was no safeguards whatsoever as to whether that was a stable slope and that steep

[3:45:07] Voice 2: route. That was on McKinnon Road. And when the violent enforcement was called to look into that,

[3:45:13] Voice 2: and there was nothing to enforce on, so ultimately it just went away. And the soil is still being

[3:45:18] Voice 2: dumped in that steep ravine. It moved on to AR land, and there was nothing. And staff wrote

[3:45:25] Voice 2: wrote a complaint, an archaeologist made a complaint that said there is no bylaw to act on.

[3:45:32] Voice 2: So that is the usefulness of the soil bylaw now being drafted.

[3:45:41] Voice 2: And yes, of course, the manger stuff has got what's going to be hit first.

[3:45:46] Voice 2: You can always later on reduce it.

[3:45:48] Voice 2: But when you get hundreds of truckloads of stuff moving on,

[3:45:51] Voice 2: and there's no nothing to stop it whatsoever then they need some something to help out and it should

[3:45:59] Voice 2: apply to ALR land and I got a quick read of that draft by law it didn't strike me that it did

[3:46:06] Voice 2: uh one can just say oh well that's the ALRC's jurisdictional responsibility but

[3:46:11] Voice 2: um that's not good enough it's uh the uh local trust committee can put restrictive um stuff

[3:46:19] Voice 2: stuff to protect the, but there's nothing there now.

[3:46:25] Voice 2: So please, that really does need to address.

[3:46:27] Voice 2: And if you're worried about, you know,

[3:46:29] Voice 2: the operators being concerned with terms of track loads,

[3:46:33] Voice 2: well, make it 50 track loads,

[3:46:35] Voice 2: or whatever the corresponding volume.

[3:46:38] Voice 2: And it's the big stuff, and it's not gonna happen every day,

[3:46:41] Voice 2: but it will happen again.

[3:46:45] Voice 2: The CRD involvement, one of you mentioned,

[3:46:48] Voice 2: and that is triggered by section 35 of the act and the crd shall not um tread on the toes of of

[3:46:58] Voice 2: island threat bylaws and but there ain't no bylaw there now so put it in place please

[3:47:05] Voice 2: um and if i may uh moving to c2 something um i was a mckinnon resident for some time i know very

[3:47:14] Voice 2: very well, the close friend of the property owner

[3:47:18] Voice 2: for the largest parcels you've been concerned about.

[3:47:22] Voice 2: And yes, the property sold,

[3:47:25] Voice 2: and the first part of the conversation today

[3:47:28] Voice 2: dealt with the property owner's rights of purchase

[3:47:32] Voice 2: and the presumed transfer of rights

[3:47:35] Voice 2: from the last conversation was in 2007 on,

[3:47:42] Voice 2: and a concern about the allowance of c2 density and the answer today was that nobody would ever

[3:47:49] Voice 2: do it on mckinnon road because water availability and sewage disposal is a non-starter but right now

[3:47:59] Voice 2: today the not an investigation of water availability or sewage disposal capacity

[3:48:05] Voice 2: capacity is being investigated. You're juggling with numbers going down from 27 to 15 based on

[3:48:13] Voice 2: the presumed rights of landowner purchase. Based on, in turn, zoning which really was just drummed

[3:48:22] Voice 2: up and offered and people will build what they can afford to build in terms of dependable water

[3:48:28] Voice 2: or sewage problems.

[3:48:31] Voice 2: And so, again, we had a focus on landowner rights.

[3:48:36] Voice 2: When they purchased that land, they had a certain density.

[3:48:39] Voice 2: So we moved to the driftwood, and all of a sudden,

[3:48:42] Voice 2: it's not the landowner right, the Hardell, whoever it was,

[3:48:47] Voice 2: who purchased 27 units of the density,

[3:48:50] Voice 2: but a community need, which should be the subject

[3:48:55] Voice 2: of an OCP, a policy review.

[3:48:57] Voice 2: Do we want a village at the driftwood?

[3:49:01] Voice 2: Yes or no?

[3:49:02] Voice 2: Or do we want to put this affordable housing

[3:49:04] Voice 2: where there is already a water management system

[3:49:07] Voice 2: in Magic Lake and think of how to do that?

[3:49:10] Voice 2: That's only one of two options.

[3:49:13] Voice 2: But to presume it must be at the driftwood

[3:49:16] Voice 2: in order to create a village,

[3:49:17] Voice 2: I think is a policy issue which this island should debate.

[3:49:21] Voice 2: And with respect to Trustee McConkie,

[3:49:24] Voice 2: the issue that apparently caused such division on the island

[3:49:31] Voice 2: was, I don't think, were death threats at all.

[3:49:34] Voice 2: There was an allegation of a pecuniary conflict of interest,

[3:49:40] Voice 2: which gave rise to the resignation of a trustee.

[3:49:43] Voice 2: And that was brought up at a local trust committee meeting.

[3:49:47] Voice 2: The trustee concerned got very irate and left the meeting.

[3:49:50] Voice 2: and not long later he retired his position as an executive committee member and the issue

[3:49:57] Voice 2: i repeat was a perceived conflict of interest of the junior but the real issue underneath the whole

[3:50:05] Voice 2: lab was do we want sound do we want a village on pender um at the driftwood ganges yes do we need

[3:50:13] Voice 2: do we have to because the salt spring has ganges do we have to have that here now that's an ocp

[3:50:20] Voice 2: issue. And it has been preempted in this room by the presumption of best knowledge for Pender,

[3:50:31] Voice 2: best zoning for the Hardell management. And I'm not speaking of personal friendships with

[3:50:40] Voice 2: Hardell or anybody else. But the OCP must determine that. And we need a very careful

[3:50:47] Voice 2: community discussion about it and a good well thought out argument came to me from a community

[3:50:56] Voice 2: member that in fact that that multi whatever it is rental housing should be in magic lake because

[3:51:04] Voice 2: there's water and sewer there and jig the property zoning maybe amalgamate two or side by side

[3:51:11] Voice 2: and put in some units of four plexes reflex whatever it is

[3:51:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): michael i think we hear you

[3:51:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's going to be lots of opportunity for public input as this process goes forward here so

[3:51:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you for yes

[3:51:23] Voice 2: but i want to take the opportunity to make the points because they're

[3:51:26] Voice 2: uh not i think don't think thank you

[3:51:29] Voice 2: well that will appreciate it thank you

[3:51:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): anyone else that wants to talk to us not today all right well thank you everyone we are going

[3:51:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): to be going in camera so i'll warn you uh once we read this motion here we're going to go into

[3:51:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): the camera thank you for coming today and we always want to hear from you those of you online

[3:51:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): will be turning off in just a moment here so um i need this motion read out thank

[3:51:53] Voice 4: you that the

[3:51:53] Voice 4: meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter part four division three s

[3:51:57] Voice 4: 91 adf for the purposes of considering adoption of in-camera meetings minutes dated february 24th

[3:52:04] Voice 4: 2022 appointment of board of variance members enforcement and that the recorder and staff

[3:52:10] Voice 4: staff attend the meeting all

[3:52:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): right I guess call the vote all those in favor yep that's Carrie

[3:52:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm going to stop live hold

[3:52:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): on Pat I think I'm going to try to keep you here