Islands Trust Council regular meeting, June 6, 2022

[0:00:00] Voice 10: Let's prepare until live stream. Keep going. There you go. Shouldn't be live stream.

[0:00:16] Voice 19: Do

[0:00:16] Voice 10: you know if Andrew is flying?

[0:00:21] Voice 19: Not being here.

[0:00:23] Voice 16: Oops.

[0:00:24] Voice 16: Zoomer.

[0:00:24] Voice 16: He's going to try.

[0:00:25] Voice 16: All right.

[0:00:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustees, are we ready?

[0:00:30] Voice 16: I am.

[0:00:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): Super. I think the equipment's working. I can even change the camera there.

[0:00:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right. Well, good morning. I want to thank everyone for being here today and like to open this Laskiti Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): I always begin with acknowledging how fortunate we are to be able to gather on the traditional territories of the Coast Salish people.

[0:00:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): I also like to share about my own journey on reconciliation.

[0:01:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): And recently I had an opportunity to travel by boat with Laiacian elders to what they know as Laiacian Island or Valdez Island, as you know.

[0:01:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): And when we went to Shingle Spit, the elder introduced himself to his ancestors.

[0:01:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): And he thanked his ancestors for taking care of the place.

[0:01:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): and he reaffirmed his commitment to taking care of the place for his children and children yet

[0:01:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): to come. And it was just such an incredible reminder of our role that we play in our

[0:01:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): responsibilities of taking care of these islands for people who are yet to come.

[0:01:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm Laura Patrick, I'm elected on Salt Spring and I'm the chair of the Ski Island Local Trust

[0:01:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): committee i'm joined today by uh trustee peter johnson and trustee tim peterson and together

[0:01:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): we make up your local trust committee uh also joining us which i now know is here andrew fall

[0:02:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): the executive uh the electoral area director and uh welcome andrew

[0:02:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): go ahead hi um so this meeting is being live streamed and recorded and uh the recording will

[0:02:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): be available uh later uh this month and uh let's see there are also people other people attending

[0:02:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): via zoom uh if you're live streaming today you can't communicate with us uh but thank you for

[0:02:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): joining us and we have some staff in the room we have heather cower our regional planning manager

[0:02:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you for coming heather and we have catherine our minute taker who's joining us on zoom thank

[0:02:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): you catherine for being here um this is a official forum for your local trust committee to make

[0:02:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): decisions about land use matters and other relevant business and uh despite the fact that

[0:03:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): some some people will be are coming from zoom uh this is a place of employment and i i know that

[0:03:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): you'll uh that our i mean our workers have a right to a safe and respectful workplace

[0:03:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh we have an agenda before us is there any additions or changes that need to be made to

[0:03:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): the agenda yes yeah

[0:03:25] Voice 18: i have uh i'd like to add uh something on uh bylaw 100 i have a

[0:03:31] Voice 18: proposed amendment what

[0:03:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh point is that on here um

[0:03:36] Voice 18: it's we are discussing the there's a

[0:03:40] Voice 18: 7.2 there's a memorandum on a meeting notification maybe maybe in that section might work okay so

[0:03:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): we'll just discuss it

[0:03:50] Voice 16: at that time in 7.2 those are many procedures by law yeah okay

[0:03:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): any other

[0:03:57] Voice 16: changes sir i i would like to to and i i think something's being done but i'd like to know of

[0:04:03] Voice 16: what's being done about uh on island um person to post notices copy and then there's that kind

[0:04:11] Voice 16: of thing um to put that under that's

[0:04:14] Voice 18: kind of almost under 7

[0:04:15] Voice 19: .2 to really yeah okay

[0:04:18] Voice 10: yeah

[0:04:19] Voice 19: super

[0:04:24] Voice 10: Super. Any other changes.

[0:04:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): Can we approve the agenda as amended through general concept. Yeah, yeah. Excellent. Thank you. Okay, so this brings us.

[0:04:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): There was a rise report.

[0:04:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): report was there details from that price report i forgot about the in-camera meeting from january

[0:04:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): 7th february february

[0:04:47] Voice 16: i couldn't

[0:04:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): get my eyes

[0:04:49] Voice 16: to work so long ago i don't

[0:04:50] Voice 18: even remember uh

[0:04:51] Voice 18: what would the rising report have been probably

[0:04:54] Voice 3: apc it

[0:04:56] Voice 18: was either minutes or abc sorry i honestly

[0:04:59] Voice 18: don't remember sorry and

[0:05:02] Voice 3: not only do they have yeah

[0:05:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm normally sitting right here what we're

[0:05:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): organizing and reporting so I apologize for that um we'll have to follow up on that and

[0:05:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): figure out if we owed any reports from that okay we want to trust the reports we'd like to go first

[0:05:19] Voice 16: I can't think of a single thing to report actually well I I suppose for your information uh uh Camino

[0:05:28] Voice 16: one of the principles that the provisions has organized a meeting on May 16th I think or 18th

[0:05:36] Voice 16: of june at the community hall in the afternoon about the proposed new policy statement

[0:05:42] Voice 10: there's

[0:05:43] Voice 16: concern over various parts of it yes i understand the ski is not the only place where there's

[0:05:48] Voice 16: concern so that's scheduled um and i think that's that's all i can think of now to report

[0:05:57] Voice 10: yeah

[0:05:58] Voice 18: i was gonna mention that too because that's you know directly relevant to uh island's trust

[0:06:04] Voice 18: but you know remains to be seen what's going to come out of that but we'll find out and

[0:06:09] Voice 18: the other exciting news is the uh the uh local reconciliation group who's um part of our

[0:06:19] Voice 18: community association has organized a a plaque honoring the um the uh first nations that have

[0:06:28] Voice 18: historic ties to luskete and that's going to be unveiled i believe july 15th

[0:06:34] Voice 19: on the south end of

[0:06:36] Voice 19: the island so that's uh that's a neat project they've been undertaking and happy

[0:06:43] Voice 18: to be part of

[0:06:43] Voice 18: that um as far as local trust committee goes though that's that's about it for my report

[0:06:54] Voice 16: on on that july 15th event that's the plank has actually been sponsored by the community

[0:07:00] Voice 16: Association at BC Parks

[0:07:01] Voice 16: and it's at

[0:07:03] Voice 16: Squiddy Bay Park.

[0:07:04] Voice 16: I can't remember. It's very simple. It honors the ancestors.

[0:07:08] Voice 16: I can't remember the exact

[0:07:09] Voice 16: wording.

[0:07:10] Voice 16: The First Nations involved have

[0:07:13] Voice 16: been invited to come

[0:07:14] Voice 16: for that day or

[0:07:16] Voice 16: camp.

[0:07:18] Voice 16: We'll have hopefully a gathering

[0:07:21] Voice 16: and eat together.

[0:07:23] Voice 16: There will be some kind

[0:07:25] Voice 16: of ceremony or celebration

[0:07:27] Voice 16: meeting each other

[0:07:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): great all right well i can report that uh trust council will be meeting in june june 21st through

[0:07:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): 23rd it's a virtual meeting it'll be all online on the evening of the 21st from 7 till 9 there'll

[0:07:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): be delegations in town hall so that's an opportunity for you to speak then um the agenda

[0:07:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): the package will be out roughly a week before that so uh if you're interested in that it's

[0:07:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): always a good idea to uh subscribe online to the to our island stress website and you'll get sent

[0:08:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): that notice as soon as that package is available i

[0:08:09] Voice 18: are you okay i just had one thing to add and

[0:08:13] Voice 18: that was i just wanted to uh correct myself there's a question at the previous town hall

[0:08:19] Voice 18: and uh i had i had thought that when the both of office um at inauguration time i had i had

[0:08:29] Voice 18: a memory which turns out to not be correct that the upholding the object of the trust was part

[0:08:35] Voice 18: of that oath but i've got a confirmation from david marler that in fact it's just a

[0:08:41] Voice 18: boilerplate local government oath i don't know why i thought that

[0:08:45] Voice 8: but

[0:08:47] Voice 18: i thought it was in there

[0:08:48] Voice 18: and apparently it's not um i also was informed that there is some interest in um customizing

[0:08:55] Voice 18: the oath for the next round of after the election or you know next round of of swearing in but

[0:09:05] Voice 18: I'm not sure if that's going to how that's going to proceed or if it's going to proceed in time

[0:09:08] Voice 18: for this election cycle but I just wanted to make that correction because I did not remember

[0:09:13] Voice 18: correctly.

[0:09:14] Voice 9: Sounds like a long time ago.

[0:09:16] Voice 18: It does seem like a long time

[0:09:17] Voice 19: ago nearly four years.

[0:09:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right well this is your opportunity oh no sorry i forgot andrew about uh andrew is uh

[0:09:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): the electoral area that's your opportunity to report andrew okay

[0:09:30] Voice 1: thank you chair i have a

[0:09:31] Voice 1: couple things one is the qrd received coastal flood mapping data for liskiti and other islands

[0:09:38] Voice 1: and while most of the liskiti shoreline is fairly low risk being rocky and steep some areas with

[0:09:44] Voice 1: lower elevations, softer shores, have a higher risk especially when those face prevailing winds.

[0:09:50] Voice 1: That data will be made available to the Islands Trust through, I guess there's contacts through

[0:09:56] Voice 1: the GIS people and when it's ready to release it'll get over there and hopefully it'll be of

[0:10:02] Voice 1: use for the Islands Trust as well as the Regional District. The Regional

[0:10:05] Voice 1: District will use it

[0:10:06] Voice 1: for Laskete for some emergency preparedness planning. The Vancouver Island Regional Library

[0:10:14] Voice 1: was recently on strike and fortunately in late april late april the library and bcgeu local 702

[0:10:22] Voice 1: which represents the librarians reached an agreement and so everything's back open and

[0:10:27] Voice 1: smooth it's been going well for a couple months now there's some process to help heal relations

[0:10:32] Voice 1: that may have been partly damaged through that process which is always difficult but it's on a

[0:10:38] Voice 1: a good path the third one is uh the liskiti island volunteer fire department asset management

[0:10:43] Voice 1: survey was rolled out by the qrd and it had a very strong response 128 responses from liskiti

[0:10:49] Voice 1: which is pretty astounding that's uh when you think of in terms of households that's a very

[0:10:53] Voice 1: high percentage lots of comments this response provides a really good basis on which the regional

[0:11:00] Voice 1: district can develop a policy on how the community wants to see the fire department assets managed

[0:11:06] Voice 1: which includes issues such as whether we should save up and then purchase used fire trucks or

[0:11:11] Voice 1: whether we should purchase new trucks, new fire trucks with a borrowing. The report and the

[0:11:17] Voice 1: results which were provided at the last finance committee meeting are available. I plan to write

[0:11:23] Voice 1: about it in my next monthly article to the community. And the last item is that the QRD

[0:11:29] Voice 1: has secured grant funds for a much-needed emergency supplies container for Luskete Island.

[0:11:34] Voice 1: Island. Each of the past few years, the QRD has sought and received grants for shipping containers

[0:11:39] Voice 1: filled with community emergency supplies, and this year was Laskiti's turn. The QRD was notified

[0:11:46] Voice 1: last month that the grant application was successful. Transport costs will be paid for

[0:11:52] Voice 1: from the Regional Emergency Preparedness Service, and there will be some upcoming public consultation

[0:11:56] Voice 1: on this. The current proposal at this point is replacement at the community hall, and there has

[0:12:01] Voice 1: been some discussions with the community association about that but that's not

[0:12:06] Voice 1: finalized yet and with that thank you for the opportunity to speak well

[0:12:11] Voice 8: thank you very much

[0:12:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah

[0:12:15] Voice 18: i just want to thank you andrew i'm really glad to hear that that is actually

[0:12:19] Voice 18: uh happening and that our term came up um there was some thought that it might be several years

[0:12:26] Voice 18: before we got our turn so I'm very happy to hear that news and I think it'll be great that we get

[0:12:33] Voice 18: a chance to decide what's going to go into it as

[0:12:36] Voice 1: a community that is good I was a bit of a squeaky

[0:12:39] Voice 1: wheel on that every year I was very supportive of the grant applications but I never missed an

[0:12:44] Voice 1: opportunity to say yeah don't forget Laskiti we need ours and so one went on south of south of

[0:12:50] Voice 1: town south of Powell River one went up to Lund I think one went on Texada we're just a bit smaller

[0:12:55] Voice 1: So we had to wait patiently.

[0:12:56] Voice 1: We were number four or five.

[0:12:58] Voice 1: So we'll get, we got ours now.

[0:12:59] Voice 1: So it's good.

[0:13:00] Voice 1: That's great.

[0:13:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you. Any other questions?

[0:13:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right.

[0:13:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): This is now your turn to speak to us as a town hall.

[0:13:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Please direct your comments to the trustees.

[0:13:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): Talk about issues, not individuals.

[0:13:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): I don't run a timer,

[0:13:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I ask that you just be respectful

[0:13:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): of your time speaking.

[0:13:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): And if you are repeating yourself,

[0:13:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): I might ask you to wrap up.

[0:13:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): other than that would anyone like to address us today

[0:13:35] Voice 13: how do you feel about members of the public recording this

[0:13:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): recording it you mean writing taking your notes or

[0:13:47] Voice 13: electronically

[0:14:10] Voice 13: I

[0:14:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): have not had this issue in a meeting, so I would always look to staff

[0:14:18] Voice 3: to say, do we

[0:14:18] Voice 3: have policies or anything of that nature?

[0:14:20] Voice 3: Sure, yeah, I haven't had a chance to look into it.

[0:14:23] Voice 3: So I'm not exactly sure the policy is on it.

[0:14:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think what's important is disclosing and just saying so people are aware

[0:14:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that we give an opportunity to others in the room to either agree or disagree.

[0:14:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): We are recording and this broadcast...

[0:14:39] Voice 13: Yeah,

[0:14:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): you didn't ask my permission.

[0:14:41] Voice 13: You didn't tell me you were recording me.

[0:14:43] Voice 13: So why should we have to treat you with more courtesy?

[0:14:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm just saying, just as polite, that's all.

[0:14:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's just polite and i thought i had said that maybe i did not say we were

[0:14:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): the supreme

[0:14:57] Voice 13: court of canada addressed this issue

[0:15:00] Voice 8: and

[0:15:01] Voice 13: they ruled that in canada it's a free country

[0:15:05] Voice 13: you have the right to record a conversation or something like this without informing any

[0:15:12] Voice 13: other person who's involved in the recording as long as you're involved in the conversation

[0:15:17] Voice 13: And I don't think that the Islands Trust has got some notwithstanding clause or something

[0:15:24] Voice 13: from the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[0:15:28] Voice 13: So you have absolutely no power, no authority, and no right to say that we can't record you

[0:15:35] Voice 13: without getting your permission.

[0:15:37] Voice 13: That's just the law of Canada.

[0:15:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm not doubting you.

[0:15:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): And

[0:15:41] Voice 13: Chair Lutland was going to look into that, but instead I looked into it, and that's the law of Canada.

[0:15:50] Voice 13: So I'm not recording this, but I could be.

[0:15:57] Voice 13: My second issue, this is really for Chair Lutland, both of these things, not for you.

[0:16:05] Voice 13: He was pretty firm that the term grandfather in was a racist term.

[0:16:11] Voice 13: and after in the break at that meeting i asked him if he really believed that he said yes

[0:16:19] Voice 13: he defended his position and the reason that it's a racist term is because 1864 1860 i've also

[0:16:30] Voice 13: looked into this 1865 in the deep south of the united states on the other end of the continent

[0:16:37] Voice 13: on the other side they had a bunch of freed slaves and they were afraid of them so they

[0:16:42] Voice 13: But that's the law.

[0:16:42] Voice 13: They couldn't vote unless their grandfather had voted or could have registered to vote.

[0:16:48] Voice 13: And that law was designed to exclude the free slaves from voting.

[0:16:53] Voice 13: We're in Canada, clear up here, the other end of the continent, and the other side, 150 plus years later.

[0:17:00] Voice 13: And the term grandfathered in is to include people who otherwise would be excluded because of changes in bylaws and regulations.

[0:17:11] Voice 13: relations. It's a Canadian inclusive term. It has no relationship to the deep south of

[0:17:18] Voice 13: the United States and it's not racist. And I don't know anybody who thinks it is. I've

[0:17:22] Voice 13: never talked to anybody who thinks it is except for maybe Heather and Chair Lyle. So I'm going

[0:17:32] Voice 13: to continue to use that term. I'm not going to consider it racist. And that's just how

[0:17:37] Voice 13: it is a canadian term that shows how inclusive we are and my third thing is this idea that

[0:17:49] Voice 13: the members of the public who want to address the committee have to send their address a copy

[0:17:59] Voice 13: 10 days in advance of the meeting and as confirmed by chair luck that's so the trust committee can

[0:18:06] Voice 13: can edit out anything that might be defamatory or racist or something like that and I said

[0:18:15] Voice 13: you mean censored and he agreed well editing censoring same thing and and I've asked people

[0:18:22] Voice 13: why this why this is necessary and I've heard many different reasons uh well we have to be

[0:18:31] Voice 13: able to check it to make sure that the address isn't defamatory or racist or any of these other

[0:18:38] Voice 13: things before we put it in the agenda package and the agenda package goes out and it's printed up

[0:18:44] Voice 13: 10 days in advance but i was making an inquiry about something else at the northern office and

[0:18:50] Voice 13: it turns out that it's made up five days in advance because the trustees are always sending

[0:18:55] Voice 13: in stuff late. And also the chair has the prerogative and the authority to cut anybody

[0:19:02] Voice 13: off who's being racist or defamatory or any of those things. And he doesn't have to accept

[0:19:08] Voice 13: a presentation for inclusion into the agenda package. So all those reasons were fallacious.

[0:19:15] Voice 13: The only thing I can see is that the trust wants to edit these things in advance and

[0:19:23] Voice 13: and that they are somehow more special so they need 10 days notice and the public only needs

[0:19:29] Voice 13: five days notice of a change in meeting place or time and that's that's not canadian we members

[0:19:36] Voice 13: of the public are ostensibly the equal of our elected officials and should be treated with

[0:19:42] Voice 13: the same respect so i would urge you to amend your meetings procedure bylaw to say five and five

[0:19:51] Voice 13: that you have to if we're going to have it and besides that it doesn't have to be included in

[0:19:57] Voice 13: the agenda package of that meeting if you go to the next agenda package so it's just as a matter

[0:20:02] Voice 13: of common courtesy uh

[0:20:12] Voice 13: last my position on the heritage sheep farm speedy on it's well known

[0:20:16] Voice 13: not to everybody else and i can just urge the trust committee local trust committee to get on

[0:20:22] Voice 13: with it the uh way forward is clear i mean there's no longer a question and uh i noticed in the

[0:20:33] Voice 13: staff report on their conversation with the ministry of agriculture they said that the

[0:20:38] Voice 13: ministry of agriculture recommended wild or uh domestic or formerly domestic i think what they

[0:20:49] Voice 13: they recommended it was formerly domestic, now running wild,

[0:20:53] Voice 13: which is the convoluted way of saying it.

[0:20:57] Voice 13: Although it does more clearly define the conditions

[0:21:01] Voice 13: on the skeet, because if I feed some of these

[0:21:06] Voice 13: wild heritage sheep, or otherwise care for them,

[0:21:10] Voice 13: like getting worm new or something,

[0:21:11] Voice 13: then they become mine because of their condition

[0:21:15] Voice 13: being unowned and running wild.

[0:21:17] Voice 13: So some of these sheep are actually owned,

[0:21:19] Voice 13: although they're not it's kind of a what the judge ruled that if if i have taken care of if i

[0:21:28] Voice 13: fed or otherwise cared for these sheep then i have ownership of them so the term wild would be

[0:21:38] Voice 13: accurately and acceptable but it wouldn't be as accurate and that's about all i have to say thank

[0:21:43] Voice 13: you

[0:21:43] Voice 4: thank you very much yeah

[0:21:45] Voice 18: i think i just uh i made a note and i think that the um the person

[0:21:50] Voice 18: from ag suggested uh using either unknown or formerly domestic the the suggestion was either

[0:22:00] Voice 18: unknown or formerly domestic oh i don't know that's that's what we got in the report i know

[0:22:06] Voice 18: yeah

[0:22:06] Voice 13: yeah so so the only difference would be yes boy you'd be surprised how many people feed these

[0:22:12] Voice 13: sheet so so maybe you could somehow do both i don't know i like them clear anyone else that

[0:22:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): wants to just um

[0:22:23] Voice 14: yeah i'd love to um uh first welcome sorry i missed your official welcome

[0:22:29] Voice 14: i just

[0:22:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): dove right in but yeah i know these guys is this the first time period this is my first

[0:22:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): time to little speedy wow wow good

[0:22:41] Voice 14: for you i'm happy to be here so far that's great um that's

[0:22:46] Voice 14: one point i think was you peter on saturday that you used the term grandfather i think at the lca

[0:22:52] Voice 14: meeting so it was used there yeah yeah so it's still commonly used here nobody claimed it was

[0:23:00] Voice 14: racist so that was yeah

[0:23:02] Voice 16: i have a comment to make i was going to make it on that issue that when we

[0:23:07] Voice 16: to get to the minutes.

[0:23:08] Voice 16: I can wait till then or I can do it now.

[0:23:12] Voice 16: Up to you.

[0:23:14] Voice 16: Is

[0:23:15] Voice 7: that okay if I make it now?

[0:23:16] Voice 16: Yeah, Tom's description of the origin

[0:23:21] Voice 16: is actually a little inaccurate.

[0:23:23] Voice 16: The origin was that the 15th Amendment

[0:23:27] Voice 16: to the US Constitution said you cannot deny a vote

[0:23:32] Voice 16: based on former enslavement or race or color.

[0:23:37] Voice 16: I can't remember the exact.

[0:23:38] Voice 16: And so a lot of the states,

[0:23:42] Voice 16: especially the southern states,

[0:23:43] Voice 16: introduced literacy laws and poll taxes.

[0:23:46] Voice 16: You had to buy a license to vote,

[0:23:49] Voice 16: which meant that a lot of people,

[0:23:51] Voice 16: disadvantaged people couldn't afford to,

[0:23:53] Voice 16: or a lot of people who couldn't read and write

[0:23:57] Voice 16: couldn't vote.

[0:23:57] Voice 16: Well, the trouble with that is

[0:23:59] Voice 16: there were a lot of illiterate white people too,

[0:24:01] Voice 16: and they wanted them to be able to vote.

[0:24:03] Voice 16: And that's where the issue of grandfathered in came.

[0:24:07] Voice 16: They were able to vote if their grandfathers

[0:24:10] Voice 16: had been able to vote.

[0:24:12] Voice 16: So they were just carrying on.

[0:24:14] Voice 16: So I agree that the term is not racist,

[0:24:17] Voice 16: but it has racist origins.

[0:24:20] Voice 16: And I didn't know that until it came up here

[0:24:22] Voice 16: the last couple of meetings.

[0:24:26] Voice 16: And it's, I've published or submitted something

[0:24:30] Voice 16: to email us but it hasn't been sent out yet on that the history interesting um so

[0:24:37] Voice 14: yeah my

[0:24:38] Voice 14: questions for the local trust committee uh follow up the last meeting which you did not attend of

[0:24:45] Voice 14: course and um the last meeting i was uh questioning about the information that the southern gulf

[0:24:53] Voice 14: islands coalition had submitted to one of the local newspapers our island times and that

[0:25:03] Voice 14: discussion was preempted by um i think all three trustees saying that it was misinformation

[0:25:11] Voice 14: and uh in case we haven't noticed that's a classic government official response to

[0:25:18] Voice 14: questioning that they don't want to participate in so the former chair suggested that a fact is

[0:25:26] Voice 14: a fact and that the facts are on the island's trust website so i they trust that the other

[0:25:30] Voice 14: two trustees also took the time to look and i checked and verified that the survey that was

[0:25:42] Voice 14: referred to in the island's trust by the southern gulf islands coalition had the exact same numbers

[0:25:50] Voice 14: as that exist on the island's trust website so with that um i'd like to ask the same questions

[0:26:00] Voice 14: and i'll include you because you're here today um the what i understand and what was published

[0:26:08] Voice 14: is that the financial planning committee or finance policy committee voted in favor of a

[0:26:18] Voice 14: $9.5 million budget which was then reduced at trust council by $400,000 and so Tim first question

[0:26:27] Voice 14: to you this says that you voted in favor of that $9.5 million budget you have a recollection of

[0:26:34] Voice 14: that i just want to verify whether this information is accurate i'm sorry i did

[0:26:39] Voice 14: vote favor the budget yes thank you and so i have two questions for each of you all three of you um

[0:26:48] Voice 14: and bear with me i i they are simple questions i just want to make sure that they're understandable

[0:26:54] Voice 14: so i'll probably ask uh in words that are longer than needed so the first the the related questions

[0:27:01] Voice 14: So, were each of you aware of the Islands Trust survey that said 49% of residents wanted a decrease in the budget this year, and 80% of residents wanted no increase in the budget this year?

[0:27:21] Voice 14: So, were you aware of those facts, since it's an Islands Trust survey, and I trust that Trust Council was given that information in advance of your vote?

[0:27:31] Voice 14: So that's the first part.

[0:27:32] Voice 14: And then the second part is I can't find this information,

[0:27:37] Voice 14: so I have to totally trust your response today

[0:27:41] Voice 14: in whether you voted in favor of increasing the budget

[0:27:46] Voice 14: by approximately $2 billion from last year's budget.

[0:27:50] Voice 14: And the off-the-cuff calculation is that's more than a 25% increase.

[0:27:58] Voice 14: and as I'm sure we're all painfully aware, inflation is completely out of control in this country, but it's still nowhere near 25%.

[0:28:07] Voice 14: So, two questions again. Were you aware of the survey results, and did you vote in favor of the budget?

[0:28:14] Voice 14: And I ask here, just simply so that it's on the record, so we all know.

[0:28:20] Voice 14: and uh please

[0:28:22] Voice 18: yeah i i didn't i did i was aware of these these survey results i think that um

[0:28:28] Voice 18: you know there's a there's a problem when you use the 80 that's definitely the south southern gulf

[0:28:34] Voice 18: islands um group that you you know communicated to you that's definitely their position there's

[0:28:41] Voice 18: different different ways to look at it however i'm not going to dispute that part i did see the

[0:28:45] Voice 18: survey okay um

[0:28:46] Voice 18: and the second part was about the increase and and and i i think if you look um

[0:28:58] Voice 18: i just saw it the other day there's a table actually came in my it came in my land taxes

[0:29:03] Voice 18: which is where i saw there's a table of of the actual increase to the uh local uh um to the

[0:29:11] Voice 18: island's trust tax rates and this budget actually came in at about a two percent increase so 25

[0:29:19] Voice 18: i just i urge you to look at your property tax notice when you come in and you'll see that it's

[0:29:26] Voice 18: not 25 and you could and the nice thing about that is actually you can see um that we had several

[0:29:32] Voice 18: consecutive years of zero okay and i think when you look for me when i looked at that table

[0:29:39] Voice 18: it's a little bit clearer of the actuals that are coming to you in terms of taxes

[0:29:45] Voice 18: i and uh you i was actually surprised to know that this year my land taxes have gone down a bit

[0:29:52] Voice 18: um because i attribute that to other assessments getting quite a bit higher

[0:30:00] Voice 18: my assessment did go up but of course if mine goes up 20 and yours goes up 50 i may end up

[0:30:07] Voice 18: paying less tax because your assessment went up so it's it's kind of a messy and you know

[0:30:14] Voice 18: counterintuitive kind of thing but on that tax notice you will see i think it's the last five

[0:30:20] Voice 18: or six years because the um uh regional district has been putting a like an explanation of how

[0:30:28] Voice 18: our taxes get sort of spent through the rd for several years and i think this is only the second

[0:30:35] Voice 18: time that islands trust has done this okay um now but it does it is helpful when you see it you can

[0:30:43] Voice 18: it's a lot clearer the problem especially for people like me who i'm not a big numbers guy

[0:30:50] Voice 18: there's different ways to look at data and i get to a point where i actually don't clearly

[0:30:56] Voice 18: clearly understand it anymore unless it's really laid out simply and that's what I liked about what

[0:31:01] Voice 18: they did with the tax notices here it's quite simple so I just wanted to take issue with 25

[0:31:07] Voice 18: because I think it's two percent well

[0:31:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): if I do a different way

[0:31:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): then I was going to say there's

[0:31:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): different budgeting processes it's it's complex there's lots in it yeah um and the actual tax

[0:31:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): amounts because I actually broke them down just yesterday

[0:31:22] Voice 8: so I have

[0:31:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): them here uh for the previous

[0:31:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): previous year, what was taxed was $6,783,141. And for this year, what was taxed, the taxable

[0:31:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): amount was $7,309,863. We had significant grant increases this past year, nearly a million.

[0:31:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): And we also had some significant expenses this year with the election is paid for by the

[0:31:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): balance trust that's a big chunk of money that has to be put so the process is long it's exhaustive

[0:32:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): it is not a simple it actually starts I guess we'll be starting very soon again I know we're

[0:32:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): already starting to think of the the process starts and we always start with a budget that's

[0:32:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): very robustly large the one that we first see in the fall at the financial planning committee

[0:32:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): and it gets whittled down through the process as we as we go forward so um uh thank you for

[0:32:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): digging into it

[0:32:34] Voice 14: well if i may um preempt your response and peter's response just to

[0:32:42] Voice 14: talk speak to tim's response briefly i hear that uh the translation of that budget increase

[0:32:50] Voice 14: is two percent tax increase for the taxpayer in terms of property tax but the reality still is

[0:32:58] Voice 14: that the island's trust budget went from 7.1 to 9.1 and i hear you i don't

[0:33:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): think it was it wasn't

[0:33:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): seven i don't have the numbers i don't have them in front of me so i i one

[0:33:12] Voice 16: of the things that

[0:33:14] Voice 16: contributed largely to that increase is a lack of money from the federal government to the

[0:33:19] Voice 16: conservancy for uh species at risk work and i don't know the details of it but and i don't

[0:33:26] Voice 16: know that the total amount was in this year's budget but it's you know i think one point

[0:33:31] Voice 16: something million dollars over a couple of three years okay so that that adds to the budget at no

[0:33:37] Voice 16: cost to the taxpayers right

[0:33:38] Voice 14: yeah and uh chair patrick you you pointed out that the for the

[0:33:44] Voice 14: the budget of the islands trust i heard 6.7 million is contributed by taxpayers the rest

[0:33:51] Voice 14: would be grants and other correct

[0:33:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is the tax what i was giving you is

[0:33:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): what was taxed what was

[0:33:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): collected via taxes right

[0:33:58] Voice 14: and 7.3 is projected to be collected from taxes that

[0:34:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): was the number

[0:34:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): for this year the tax

[0:34:06] Voice 14: number yes but and again that and i appreciate that information that's

[0:34:11] Voice 14: really good to know so um taxes collected went up six hundred thousand dollars it sounds like

[0:34:20] Voice 14: my

[0:34:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): math shows that i guess it is close to six hundred just under five

[0:34:26] Voice 14: hundred okay yeah in that

[0:34:28] Voice 14: ballpark so that's good to know but my point again is that the island's trust budget and peter you

[0:34:34] Voice 14: You've helped clarify part of where that increase comes from.

[0:34:39] Voice 14: The actual budget has increased by 25%.

[0:34:42] Voice 14: Where that money comes from is varying places.

[0:34:47] Voice 14: And the information in the newspaper and Southern Gulf Islands and anywhere that I've heard

[0:34:53] Voice 14: has not claimed that taxpayers are fully on the hook.

[0:34:57] Voice 14: But yeah, it's not as clear because these numbers have not been divulged at the last meeting

[0:35:03] Voice 14: award so that's good to know thank you you know if

[0:35:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): the budget is presented all this information

[0:35:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): there is a lot to it it is an assembled budget for the entire islands trust area so it's absolutely

[0:35:17] Voice 18: yeah i was just going to say it's very dense i've been um

[0:35:21] Voice 18: i've been the alternate from the

[0:35:23] Voice 18: trust programs committee on the finance committee for i think four meetings and and i mean i i do

[0:35:30] Voice 18: i struggle to deal with the the volume of data but there are things as you mentioned like the grant

[0:35:37] Voice 18: revenue is something that's that's um an increase in the budget and just the same way like the lca

[0:35:44] Voice 18: does the same thing when we when the lca gets a grant from the rd um it appears as revenue but

[0:35:50] Voice 18: it also appears as an expense like say for the food bank right it's a

[0:35:54] Voice 18: thousand dollars and that's

[0:35:55] Voice 18: just accounting the other thing that i'm aware of and i'm and i'm not going to be very good at

[0:36:01] Voice 18: explaining it but there are rises in in in um there's like what's it called the non-market

[0:36:12] Voice 18: increases um so there's like there's a whole bunch of different things that affect our local taxes

[0:36:18] Voice 18: that are not directly like there's things that vary what those real numbers are that are not

[0:36:25] Voice 18: directly under the control of the island's trust like non-market

[0:36:29] Voice 18: values bc assessment of course is

[0:36:32] Voice 18: is entirely independent um so when assessments rise by and and we know in the last um the last

[0:36:42] Voice 18: cycle uh not just here but assessments all over the province went up in some cases really

[0:36:48] Voice 18: really alarmingly like over 60 and 70 percent in some cases and some of our neighbors on some of

[0:36:55] Voice 18: the other islands certainly got some shocking assessment values and you know a lot of that

[0:37:00] Voice 18: is driven by this the big money that's come through Vancouver that is now leaving Vancouver

[0:37:07] Voice 18: where people are able to sell those homes in the lower mainland and it's having the effect of

[0:37:14] Voice 18: pushing prices up i spoke to the um the assessment guys in september i guess around ubcm and they

[0:37:24] Voice 18: were saying that the at that point um averages were anywhere from 25 to 40 over asking in the

[0:37:34] Voice 18: gulf islands in general

[0:37:35] Voice 7: um

[0:37:36] Voice 18: so that there's those those are forces that affect the the net that

[0:37:44] Voice 18: that Islands Trust is pulling in from taxes

[0:37:46] Voice 18: that are actually completely out of control

[0:37:48] Voice 18: of what the Islands Trust does in that project.

[0:37:52] Voice 18: So I just wanted to say like, sort of put it,

[0:37:54] Voice 18: I am learning bits about this complexity

[0:37:56] Voice 18: that I was not fully aware of before.

[0:37:59] Voice 18: And I certainly wouldn't say I've mastered it,

[0:38:01] Voice 18: but there is a lot to it, yeah.

[0:38:03] Voice 18: Yeah.

[0:38:03] Voice 18: Yeah.

[0:38:04] Voice 18: Definitely.

[0:38:05] Voice 14: Yeah, thank you.

[0:38:06] Voice 14: I don't know, Peter, if you wanted to answer the questions.

[0:38:10] Voice 14: Your

[0:38:10] Voice 16: two questions.

[0:38:11] Voice 14: were you aware of the survey results yeah

[0:38:14] Voice 16: the survey was in detail in the agenda package

[0:38:17] Voice 16: okay anybody that wasn't aware of it was a trustee who's not leaving their agenda package

[0:38:22] Voice 16: it was in there clearly i want to say first that you listed you introduced this about misleading

[0:38:28] Voice 16: information in your paper right this is only one of the pieces of information in the paper

[0:38:34] Voice 16: i didn't say that everything in that those four pages that was misleading i said there was

[0:38:41] Voice 16: misleading information there was out of date information and incorrect information wrong

[0:38:46] Voice 16: information yes invited you two months ago to contact me and i would give you details

[0:38:53] Voice 16: told you saturday that if you sent me an email i would send you details yes and here you are

[0:38:59] Voice 16: questioning questioning me about it because i am questioning that there was misleading information

[0:39:05] Voice 16: because there's data on the survey and the data on the taxes.

[0:39:11] Voice 16: It's not that

[0:39:12] Voice 16: everything was – no, the other part I want to say is I actually don't know if I voted

[0:39:19] Voice 16: or whether I voted for or against the budget.

[0:39:22] Voice 16: I doubt I voted against it because I think in the meeting, it's not – I don't always vote.

[0:39:29] Voice 16: Sometimes I'm ambivalent about which way to vote.

[0:39:33] Voice 16: as a member of trust council particularly and of this one too any decision made by the group

[0:39:40] Voice 16: is a decision that is made by the group and if it's two to one the one either has to go along

[0:39:47] Voice 16: with that and accept that okay that's what we decided so that's what we're doing or I think

[0:39:52] Voice 16: resign and and so even if I voted against the budget so it was way too high and it was accepted

[0:40:00] Voice 16: by trust counsel I have to support it that's my understanding and that's what I think is a

[0:40:07] Voice 16: reasonable or or I can speak out if I resign I can't speak out from the body against the body's

[0:40:16] Voice 16: policy so is it okay with me responding

[0:40:20] Voice 14: now I finished I think okay great so in terms of the

[0:40:25] Voice 14: misleading allegations, you didn't identify in your public writing what you consider to be

[0:40:33] Voice 14: misleading. You invited me to contact you.

[0:40:36] Voice 16: I know, I did. Sorry, you're wrong. I did. I did.

[0:40:40] Voice 16: I

[0:40:40] Voice 14: have read what you've written, Peter. May I speak now? Because I gave you the time to speak.

[0:40:45] Voice 14: I've read what you've written. I did follow up on our chat on Saturday, so thank you for reminding

[0:40:51] Voice 14: me of that and I did read what you wrote and to be honest what you wrote was very misleading

[0:40:59] Voice 14: so that's my opinion and in terms of speaking out against an issue I do not agree that you need to

[0:41:09] Voice 14: resign to speak out against something that you don't believe in and or support that doesn't make

[0:41:15] Voice 14: any sense to me that democracy is all about discussion and disagreement and coming up with

[0:41:23] Voice 14: a better way because of that it's not about consensus it's not about coercion it is about

[0:41:30] Voice 14: discussion and even if you vote against it that doesn't mean that you are going to undermine the

[0:41:38] Voice 14: budgeting process or the implementation of the budget nobody's suggesting that anybody who voted

[0:41:44] Voice 14: it against the budget is now going to torpedo it as they work as a trustee that makes no sense

[0:41:50] Voice 14: that's not what the insinuation or the question means at all of course you accept the budget as

[0:41:57] Voice 14: it is passed now regardless of how you voted but as a matter of principle there is absolutely

[0:42:06] Voice 14: nothing stopping you or any other trustee from saying oh actually we did increase the take from

[0:42:13] Voice 14: taxpayers by approximately nine percent six hundred thousand out of 6.7 million that's about

[0:42:20] Voice 14: nine percent that's still significantly higher than what inflation is currently and it was

[0:42:27] Voice 14: more than double likely when the budget was passed so that's a significant change to the

[0:42:35] Voice 14: norm of what society is functioning at and the council decided to do that to go against the norm

[0:42:43] Voice 14: So, that's my response to you, and thank you for your response to my questions.

[0:42:48] Voice 14: I appreciate this, much more this meeting than last meeting, because last meeting there

[0:42:54] Voice 14: was just avoidance of this topic completely.

[0:42:57] Voice 14: And I really appreciate the engagement, because that's why we're here.

[0:43:01] Voice 14: This is a democratic process, and you need to hear from us, and we need to hear from

[0:43:06] Voice 14: you, and hopefully we can all make better decisions in the future because of the discussion.

[0:43:10] Voice 14: so um i believe so please yeah

[0:43:14] Voice 18: i just have a comment david and and and um and and i think

[0:43:20] Voice 18: that actually the way you sort of reframed what peter said there is is correct um and the way i

[0:43:26] Voice 18: look at it is yes if trust council has made a decision that i've voted against and i i wasn't

[0:43:33] Voice 18: really in support of um then yes absolutely i'm not out to undermine the process i could certainly

[0:43:40] Voice 18: They speak against, you know, against it at a meeting and, you know, propose motions to perhaps rescind something, which is different, as you say, than undermining the process.

[0:43:53] Voice 18: Right. You know, essentially, when you're in when you're part of trust counsel and trust counsel owns whatever decision and you are part of trust counsel, therefore, even if you weren't in favor, you still own that decision.

[0:44:08] Voice 18: So undermining it, I think it sort of gets at what Peter was meaning to say.

[0:44:13] Voice 18: The other thing I would say is that I've been thinking a lot about how we engage and how we can better engage.

[0:44:25] Voice 18: And in the last year, both the policy statement review and the budget process have really brought this into sharp focus.

[0:44:34] Voice 18: this and um and like we're saying on Laskini we're saying June 18th we have a meeting about

[0:44:42] Voice 18: the policy statement which is great and I'm glad it's happening um it would have been better if we

[0:44:49] Voice 18: had that meeting last year

[0:44:51] Voice 7: and

[0:44:52] Voice 18: I was always saying at the last meeting like um you know I went back

[0:44:56] Voice 18: and looked at my uh November 2020 notice about when I first became of the policy statement and

[0:45:03] Voice 18: And although I didn't say the sky was falling, I said, this is very important.

[0:45:09] Voice 18: It's very foundational.

[0:45:11] Voice 18: And I had zero people ask me a single question about it.

[0:45:16] Voice 6: So

[0:45:17] Voice 18: without being, you know, histronics or sort of cynically causing panic, I'm struggling with how I get people involved.

[0:45:31] Voice 18: and this is my point in a timely fashion because here we are talking about the budget that's

[0:45:36] Voice 18: already passed what i will request of you is is start um either asking your trustees or

[0:45:48] Voice 18: tuning into the financial planning committee meetings which are public meetings uh you can

[0:45:53] Voice 18: look at them online the same way as all the rest of the zoom stuff and because now we're talking

[0:46:01] Voice 18: about a budget that's over with

[0:46:02] Voice 6: right

[0:46:03] Voice 18: we are and and it's true that the policy statement isn't over

[0:46:08] Voice 18: with but it's possible that it could have passed last year it didn't um

[0:46:14] Voice 18: there was felt the need for

[0:46:15] Voice 18: more public engagement but so anyway i'm just trying to make a point about like how do we get

[0:46:23] Voice 18: this information how do we get your opinion in a timely fashion and how do i go about doing that

[0:46:30] Voice 18: in a way that makes you phone me up or email me or write me or talk to me in public and say

[0:46:37] Voice 18: hey I've got questions about this and can you get me some more if you don't know what can you get me

[0:46:42] Voice 18: more information because I see that as as an integral part of the role as trustee but when I

[0:46:49] Voice 18: when you're sort of talking to radio silence I mean I don't assume that I'm doing a great job

[0:46:56] Voice 18: because i don't hear anything back i don't but i i am struggling with trying to trying to discover

[0:47:05] Voice 18: ways that make people pay some attention in the timely fashion rather than after the fact which

[0:47:13] Voice 18: is sort of what we're seeing with both of these issues anyway that's i just wanted to express

[0:47:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): At the last Financial Planning Committee, you weren't there, were you?

[0:47:21] Voice 18: Yes.

[0:47:22] Voice 18: We were

[0:47:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): talking about surveys, plural, not singular.

[0:47:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes, many municipalities or other government areas have a survey or something at the budget time, but they also have one now.

[0:47:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): And the reason they're doing it now is it's not about budget.

[0:47:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's more about what are the issues? What are the priorities? What are the challenges? Are we doing okay here or not here? And they get that feedback that they use to start the budget process, which, like I said, for us starts soon.

[0:48:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know it doesn't feel like June right now,

[0:48:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): but the summer months is, which is coming.

[0:48:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we did talk about that at the financial planning committee

[0:48:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): realizing that we kind of were missing one of the tools

[0:48:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): that would be helpful as Tim talks about

[0:48:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): to have those conversations with the community more

[0:48:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): on the, what do you think we should be doing?

[0:48:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): Because that's what the budget is.

[0:48:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): The budget is just, you know,

[0:48:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): is the outcome of what we think we're doing.

[0:48:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): yes um so i agree i'm gonna let's see if he's finished and then i can come back to you well

[0:48:35] Voice 14: yeah just two follow-ups with tim in particular just i also want to point out um that you're

[0:48:41] Voice 14: you were sounding very grateful that tax assessments went up this year generally because

[0:48:48] Voice 14: then the translation of the island's trust budget allowed some like yourselves tax

[0:48:56] Voice 14: tax rates to actually go down.

[0:48:59] Voice 14: I want to also point, I see, does that make sense?

[0:49:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): Maybe, I don't think any of us are accountants up here.

[0:49:08] Voice 7: That's what

[0:49:09] Voice 14: I learned from Andrew in particular,

[0:49:11] Voice 14: and that as the assessment of property value goes up,

[0:49:18] Voice 14: the amount, even when the tax,

[0:49:23] Voice 14: when the budgets of the government agencies

[0:49:25] Voice 14: things go up some people's tax requisitions can go down precisely as you described earlier right

[0:49:34] Voice 14: if yours assessment goes up 30 somebody else's goes up 60 chances are yours could go down and

[0:49:43] Voice 14: theirs would go up both of yours still could go up if the budget was increased massively

[0:49:49] Voice 14: but conversely i just want to point out if the island's trust budget was not increased

[0:49:54] Voice 14: then everybody's taxes would have gone down because of the inflation of assessments this year.

[0:50:02] Voice 14: So there's two sides to that coin, right?

[0:50:05] Voice 14: So it would have been actually easy to fulfill almost half of residents' wishes of a tax decrease

[0:50:10] Voice 14: if you hadn't increased the taxes at all.

[0:50:13] Voice 14: So just that point, hopefully that makes sense.

[0:50:17] Voice 14: And then the other point is communication in terms of sounding maybe not an alarm,

[0:50:24] Voice 14: but letting us know in november my question would be like did you just do that in the

[0:50:30] Voice 14: mesquite local and in the minutes here like announcing it at a meeting in your report or

[0:50:38] Voice 14: did you disclose that somewhere else because on the email list maybe so pardon announcing

[0:50:45] Voice 16: or disclosing what well

[0:50:47] Voice 14: tim referred to in november that he mentioned that november of 2019

[0:50:51] Voice 18: 2019. Yes. So that's what I was saying. I have talked about the policy statement in a

[0:50:59] Voice 18: public forum, in a newspaper, as long ago as 2019. That was my point. And I will just say that I don't feel grateful that assessments have gone up.

[0:51:10] Voice 18: no no i felt surprised

[0:51:12] Voice 18: that my taxes had gone down a bit and i know that it's related to other people

[0:51:19] Voice 18: my assessment did go up but i know the reason mine went down is because others people's went

[0:51:23] Voice 18: up more than mine

[0:51:24] Voice 18: that's different than saying i feel grateful i'm surprised well

[0:51:27] Voice 14: when i said

[0:51:28] Voice 14: grateful i meant in terms of the implications of the tax increase because the assessments went up

[0:51:37] Voice 14: i would guess that you would feel grateful that not everybody's taxes also went up you know i

[0:51:43] Voice 14: don't so thank you for that

[0:51:45] Voice 18: no no i won't retry yeah i'm not i i

[0:51:47] Voice 14: didn't say grateful i said

[0:51:48] Voice 18: surprised no i i

[0:51:50] Voice 14: i got the sense that you would be grateful because well

[0:51:54] Voice 18: who wants to pay more

[0:51:55] Voice 18: tax i mean well the assessments went up and therefore not everybody my assessment went up

[0:52:00] Voice 18: but i actually my tax bill went down that's what i was surprised and i would guess you would be

[0:52:05] Voice 18: grateful for

[0:52:05] Voice 14: that but nobody

[0:52:07] Voice 18: wants to say

[0:52:07] Voice 14: that's totally fine yeah thank you for that but yeah in

[0:52:11] Voice 14: terms of communications maybe my suggestion is that if it's just in the newspaper in in what

[0:52:18] Voice 14: would now be diana's newspaper and or just at the islands trust meetings that you find another venue

[0:52:24] Voice 14: that's all because if nobody responded it's not like we're not interested as you've since

[0:52:31] Voice 14: since discovered right yeah at the last meeting you've heard lots of interest so

[0:52:36] Voice 18: yeah so i mean

[0:52:37] Voice 18: i could i could i could uh be uh posting it around town that my point being is like

[0:52:44] Voice 18: that uh you know the island times as it was then in 2019 yes uh was the only paper in town

[0:52:52] Voice 18: absolutely and it's it's been the only paper in town until fairly recently and um so one would

[0:53:00] Voice 18: assume that anyone that was reading papers on the island at that time would have had an opportunity

[0:53:06] Voice 18: to read it zero responses that was my point how do how do other than putting the information out

[0:53:16] Voice 18: there in you know like i say not not in a way that's not cynically alarmist um anyway that's

[0:53:24] Voice 18: a question i asked myself yeah

[0:53:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah that's a

[0:53:26] Voice 18: good question so thank you but i i feel like that my

[0:53:30] Voice 18: example was when we

[0:53:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): had one paper

[0:53:32] Voice 18: and uh and um you know i mean i'm sure we can post the liskiti

[0:53:39] Voice 18: website and again because of the way the email list doesn't want a long report then how do you

[0:53:48] Voice 18: convince people to click on the link and go read my report on the web page because it's too long to

[0:53:53] Voice 18: go on the email list right like how do you anyway that's these are questions i don't expect an

[0:53:59] Voice 18: answer for and i'm just i'm just identifying that this is a part of public engagement and it's

[0:54:06] Voice 18: this is my experience of it here in the community but i'm also really aware that it's something the

[0:54:12] Voice 18: trust council yeah um has ways to go on and i'm sure it's the same case i know it's the same case

[0:54:19] Voice 18: with every local government and and surely other levels of government where how do you get people

[0:54:26] Voice 18: to care about the issues unless it directly affects them or you know in some way right so

[0:54:35] Voice 18: anyway enough on that sure

[0:54:37] Voice 14: yeah just a quick response there is actually a technical limit

[0:54:42] Voice 14: it for the email list it's a moderated imposed well

[0:54:45] Voice 18: that's that's

[0:54:47] Voice 14: as may be

[0:54:48] Voice 18: that's maybe but

[0:54:49] Voice 18: that is how it is that is how it is right because i don't make the the moderation rules no you don't

[0:54:56] Voice 18: so the question would be how do i convince people to click on the link absolutely more right yeah

[0:55:02] Voice 18: anyway thank you

[0:55:03] Voice 13: thank you

[0:55:04] Voice 13: i appreciate the discussion

[0:55:09] Voice 13: let's see i just wanted to comment on what tim said when he said that he made a plea for people

[0:55:14] Voice 13: to get involved and follow this island's truck wide community plan and all of that he even

[0:55:23] Voice 13: talked to me in person and said he put out a plea and no one's responding and i kind of laughed and

[0:55:30] Voice 13: i said yeah and i'm engaged and i'm not responding so it's a futile effort

[0:55:38] Voice 13: the people aren't just they're just not interested look yeah for the wars

[0:55:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): engagements is challenging but we're going to keep trying we're going to keep trying to get better

[0:55:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay that thank you very much for your comments and we're going to move on through the agenda now

[0:55:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh we have the minutes here from that april 11th meeting for adoption are there any additions or

[0:56:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): changes to those minutes

[0:56:06] Voice 16: i have a number of um comments okay i'm

[0:56:13] Voice 16: afraid um under the call

[0:56:18] Voice 16: to order number one the first two lines could be should be deleted that was in the agenda there's

[0:56:24] Voice 16: no need for that to be in me please note the order of identity

[0:56:28] Voice 16: matters might be modified

[0:56:30] Voice 16: yeah

[0:56:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): that does look like good um so catherine under item number one on the minutes the first

[0:56:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): paragraph there for some reason there's that begins with please note that entire thing should

[0:56:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): be removed

[0:56:45] Voice 16: yeah start with chair lesson yeah okay

[0:56:48] Voice 16: the bottom of that page i i can't say what i said

[0:56:53] Voice 16: but you know uh the squiddy bay event is july 15th it's not june 15th

[0:57:00] Voice 4: okay uh

[0:57:01] Voice 16: so i don't i can't

[0:57:03] Voice 16: yeah yeah

[0:57:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): catherine so second bullet under 4.1 the date of june 15th should be changed to july 15th

[0:57:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[0:57:16] Voice 16: um okay i'll pass the right on the very bottom of the what page is this just agenda

[0:57:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): package page is fine yeah

[0:57:27] Voice 16: i can't uh where does it say it oh it's

[0:57:31] Voice 16: it should be at the bottom right

[0:57:32] Voice 16: oh it's page it says page three how can that be page three page five

[0:57:39] Voice 16: of the agenda package

[0:57:41] Voice 16: up a little bit

[0:57:43] Voice 16: sorry

[0:57:46] Voice 16: the very last line

[0:57:48] Voice 16: I said this

[0:57:50] Voice 16: it's about the racist

[0:57:52] Voice 16: his grandfather racist

[0:57:55] Voice 16: I don't know

[0:57:56] Voice 16: the phrase has been used

[0:57:59] Voice 16: in a non-racist way

[0:58:00] Voice 16: its origin is racist

[0:58:02] Voice 16: it's been used by local governments for years

[0:58:06] Voice 16: in

[0:58:07] Voice 16: bylaws that allow

[0:58:08] Voice 16: people to keep doing what they've been

[0:58:11] Voice 16: doing is still legal

[0:58:12] Voice 16: book. I guess I mean, he didn't say that. It's true. So I don't

[0:58:18] Voice 16: know what to do with it. I'll

[0:58:22] Voice 10: just keep going. No, that's it.

[0:58:31] Voice 10: That's that's it. Any

[0:58:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): other changes? Can we approve the

[0:58:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): minutes as amended through general consent? Excellent.

[0:58:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you. The next item is still one of these

[0:58:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): to look at the printed agenda that's easier or it is easier

[0:58:54] Voice 10: than flipping back well i normally

[0:58:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): print them but uh whatever

[0:58:57] Voice 10: reason i didn't

[0:58:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): oh yes catherine oh

[0:59:02] Voice 2: you're on mute um the third point

[0:59:07] Voice 2: brought up by um there

[0:59:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): was no change there was

[0:59:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): no change necessary oh no

[0:59:13] Voice 2: no change yeah okay

[0:59:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): no worries thanks for checking i

[0:59:19] Voice 16: have one other thing that's in here but it's not really a thing

[0:59:21] Voice 16: I think from the minutes under 9.1 on the page,

[0:59:26] Voice 16: whatever it is, it talks just about the OCP.

[0:59:29] Voice 16: And years ago, there was a program

[0:59:35] Voice 16: to devolve a piece of Crown land on the sea

[0:59:38] Voice 16: to the Conservancy then called the Fund.

[0:59:43] Voice 16: And I'd like to know, I wrote Kate Emmings on Friday.

[0:59:47] Voice 16: She wasn't there.

[0:59:48] Voice 16: She sent you back on her email, sent you back on Monday.

[0:59:52] Voice 16: Do we know if that process is still alive? Is it dead and gone?

[0:59:57] Voice 16: on. We had a community.

[1:00:00] Voice 16: process to say which piece we felt was most valuable,

[1:00:03] Voice 16: the committee felt most in need of transferring

[1:00:07] Voice 16: to a conservative status.

[1:00:10] Voice 16: And that was the central piece.

[1:00:12] Voice 4: So just something.

[1:00:14] Voice 16: You probably wouldn't know about anything about that,

[1:00:16] Voice 16: and you probably don't either.

[1:00:17] Voice 4: I don't know.

[1:00:18] Voice 4: I don't know what that was.

[1:00:20] Voice 16: It was at least 12 years ago, I think.

[1:00:24] Voice 16: I would guess

[1:00:25] Voice 16: that has been long ago.

[1:00:26] Voice 16: well if if if it is forgotten it might that maybe it's still alive and sleeping somewhere

[1:00:33] Voice 16: and maybe we can kick it away but i'll

[1:00:36] Voice 4: i'll carry on with key then okay

[1:00:40] Voice 4: great thanks so

[1:00:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): the next um item here is the follow-up action list um i'm 7.1 at page 10

[1:00:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the agenda package are there any questions for staff or anything i

[1:00:54] Voice 16: do on the on the uh

[1:00:57] Voice 16: The first one there for the 28th of October, 2019, is the water project, which we're going to run a new.

[1:01:08] Voice 16: This is one of our three projects that we're permitted to have active.

[1:01:13] Voice 16: And as far as I know, William's doing something, but I don't know what.

[1:01:17] Voice 16: And I've heard from the Last Resort Society that they're not getting answers from them when they ask questions.

[1:01:26] Voice 16: I wonder, is this a project that has any benefit to Laskini?

[1:01:31] Voice 16: Is it something that we need to keep as our ongoing project?

[1:01:35] Voice 3: As I understand it, this may have morphed into a longer project,

[1:01:41] Voice 3: into one of the fresh water sustainability projects.

[1:01:43] Voice 3: But I also have William saying he is coming to the next meeting to report on this.

[1:01:49] Voice 16: Okay, because I don't think we've received a report from

[1:01:52] Voice 18: him for years.

[1:01:53] Voice 3: Yes, I know.

[1:01:54] Voice 3: okay

[1:01:55] Voice 18: i would i would say that my last conversation with him which admittedly wasn't

[1:01:59] Voice 18: uh like at the time i think just before we rescinded this which is april of last year

[1:02:06] Voice 18: um that he was uh that he was still uh had work he wanted to do here and that the way that the

[1:02:18] Voice 18: overall larger project was going is it was his recommendation that we rescind that

[1:02:26] Voice 18: and sign on to the larger project and that the issues specifically around working with the

[1:02:31] Voice 18: pete's lake and the last resort and um island health were still on his plate and that he was

[1:02:40] Voice 18: was uh he had some strong uh feelings about how that should be better than than it was and and

[1:02:49] Voice 18: um you know i don't remember the details but uh i i would be very much surprised if he's if he's

[1:02:55] Voice 18: completely dropped i know he's got a very full plate but i think as far

[1:03:00] Voice 18: as i'm aware he's still

[1:03:01] Voice 18: we're still on his list it's

[1:03:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's it's lischini is on the list for i think it's is it this year

[1:03:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the day

[1:03:08] Voice 16: i can't remember

[1:03:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): the the the

[1:03:09] Voice 16: larger we're in the northern island group but my

[1:03:12] Voice 16: understanding my memory is that we were told we would get reports about the southern group before

[1:03:17] Voice 16: proceeded yeah so we can see if that was good

[1:03:21] Voice 18: i think we've already asked

[1:03:23] Voice 18: that though i think

[1:03:25] Voice 18: we've already funded the northern islands i know

[1:03:27] Voice 18: i know but i

[1:03:28] Voice 18: i have you

[1:03:29] Voice 16: seen the southern islands

[1:03:30] Voice 16: report do you have any idea what's

[1:03:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): all online it's all available on the website now so it's probably

[1:03:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): worth looking at and reading the reports and seeing what it looks

[1:03:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): like because you'll be

[1:03:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): getting similar you know data that's pertinent to

[1:03:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): your island yeah

[1:03:44] Voice 18: yeah so and i'd be very much

[1:03:46] Voice 18: surprised to find that william is is not um uh at least still wanting to do further that thing

[1:03:55] Voice 18: because i know he felt i don't know what the right way to say it this is my interpretation

[1:04:01] Voice 18: But I think he felt that that Pete's Lake and the last resort society were not being dealt with in a fair manner by the health authority and that he only had to look at how they were dealing with the school across the street to see that that wasn't an equitable treatment that that the two, you know, the three different groups were getting and that he didn't feel that was right.

[1:04:28] Voice 18: and he you know i'd be i'd be i'd be very surprised to hear that he's uh dropped that

[1:04:35] Voice 18: i think he still intends to work on i know he's super busy though because of

[1:04:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): all the more projects

[1:04:40] Voice 18: the

[1:04:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): trust

[1:04:42] Voice 18: council has just counseled has thrown at

[1:04:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): us it comes to your next meeting you can yeah

[1:04:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): any other questions on the

[1:04:51] Voice 16: april 11th uh number four the the staff to review

[1:04:56] Voice 16: a wine earth letter regarding ministry is that in the agenda yeah it's here okay we've got that

[1:05:03] Voice 16: report here oh it's coming up today yeah okay good and um well i'm going to talk later we've

[1:05:12] Voice 16: got an agenda about that referral to the pc of the funeral okay that's it thanks um

[1:05:18] Voice 18: i just wanted

[1:05:19] Voice 18: to note i did see in the report about um you know where that northern office staff

[1:05:28] Voice 18: staffing issues um have held up a number of things but uh i i i just want to express that i i

[1:05:37] Voice 18: was really disappointed to find that there um that the letter to the shanghas first nation had

[1:05:44] Voice 18: had been one of those things that has since april 11th no time has been found to write

[1:05:50] Voice 18: a letter and i just want to say i'm deeply disappointed in that um i i understand that

[1:05:57] Voice 18: staff has a lot to do but i just feel like that's one of those things i would have liked to see

[1:06:02] Voice 18: made more of a priority because it's not like it's not a project it's a letter and anyway i

[1:06:08] Voice 18: I just wanted to say I was disappointed.

[1:06:11] Voice 18: But on with that.

[1:06:12] Voice 18: On we go.

[1:06:15] Voice 18: It's a letter that's holding up a major project.

[1:06:18] Voice 18: It's a letter that's holding up our major project.

[1:06:21] Voice 18: And it's also, there's also sort of in terms of the relationship

[1:06:27] Voice 18: with the First Nation, the fact that we haven't got a letter

[1:06:31] Voice 18: out to them again, it just feels like in terms of respect,

[1:06:35] Voice 18: that's actually, I feel worse about the respect part

[1:06:38] Voice 18: than i do about the holding up of our major project so i just felt i needed to to share that

[1:06:44] Voice 18: today and i don't blame anyone but i am disappointed any

[1:06:50] Voice 8: other questions anything

[1:06:53] Voice 8: for staff thank you

[1:06:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): very much so the next item here is item 7.2 on the agenda page 13

[1:07:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): a notification recommendation memorandum over

[1:07:09] Voice 3: to

[1:07:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): you yeah

[1:07:11] Voice 3: so um as noted um the ltc

[1:07:16] Voice 3: asked that we kind of explore different options for noticing meetings that get changed so whether

[1:07:24] Voice 3: the time gets changed or the venue gets changed um being able to let the public know um in advance

[1:07:31] Voice 3: right now the meeting procedures bylaw doesn't speak to those kinds of circumstances

[1:07:36] Voice 3: in terms of notification and so my report essentially presents two different options one

[1:07:45] Voice 3: being that the meeting procedures bylaw gets amended and another option is that the LTC adopt

[1:07:54] Voice 3: to standing resolution. I don't have any specific recommendations on timing, you know, it's sort of

[1:08:03] Voice 3: maybe up to the LTC, well it's up to the LTC how long in advance they'd like to see notification

[1:08:08] Voice 3: occur and the method by which they want to see notification occur, but it also

[1:08:14] Voice 3: has an impact in terms of just resourcing. Who's available to do the notice, the notices,

[1:08:20] Voice 3: Who's available to, is there printing available to print out the notices?

[1:08:24] Voice 3: And, you know, one of the challenges we've had generally with notification is that if we print things at the Northern office on Gabriola and try to mail them to Lasky, we often have, I don't know, a week or more, right?

[1:08:41] Voice 16: A week is not uncommon, it can be more.

[1:08:43] Voice 16: yeah

[1:08:43] Voice 3: and so um so we have to know two weeks in advance that we're going to to change the menu

[1:08:50] Voice 3: or whatever if we're going to send things at the office versus having someone on

[1:08:57] Voice 3: so that's that's been one of our challenges and you know being able to have this the personnel

[1:09:04] Voice 3: to do that so part of the reason that we had come up with the idea of doing a standing resolution

[1:09:09] Voice 3: instead of the Committee for Teachers by-law

[1:09:12] Voice 3: is that we don't want to be in violation of the by-law

[1:09:14] Voice 3: because we don't have the resources to implement it.

[1:09:17] Voice 3: That's part of the issue too.

[1:09:19] Voice 4: But anyway, so that's what we have.

[1:09:25] Voice 4: Trustees, thoughts, questions, go ahead.

[1:09:29] Voice 18: Yeah, so I see,

[1:09:30] Voice 18: especially speaking to your last point there,

[1:09:33] Voice 18: of course, we don't know,

[1:09:35] Voice 18: No, we cannot predict exactly how the elections will play out.

[1:09:41] Voice 18: And we have exactly one more meeting left before the elections.

[1:09:46] Voice 18: I would just, I would point out, like, I think that it's perfectly reasonable to, and I have a motion prepared for a standing resolution, which I think, you know, we can do today and we can put that out there.

[1:10:05] Voice 18: and i think that we need to revisit the um the meeting procedures bylaw with respect to this

[1:10:14] Voice 18: and to one other issue that i i can speak more about in a minute um and so i think that we what

[1:10:21] Voice 18: i prefer that we would do is to uh pass a standing resolution today and then um as i noticed that the

[1:10:30] Voice 18: The third project on our top priorities list is the model and tenant bylaw, which we have dealt with, and so that could be removed from our list, and we could put the meeting procedures bylaw on that list, and then that will help us get, like, resource to get through these next two bits that I think need addressing.

[1:10:52] Voice 18: Mayor Mrakas, So that'd be my my preferred route to go ahead with this is to bring in the standing resolution in the short term to put the the meeting procedures file out on the top list, and then we can go back and address this, we have given third reading, so we have to actually go back and reopen it up to to change the bylaw itself, and I think that if we have.

[1:11:17] Voice 18: Mayor Mrakas, We agree that we're going to do that.

[1:11:20] Voice 18: um i don't think we need to worry about how that's going to play out um until post-election period

[1:11:28] Voice 18: you know the ltc meeting after the election that we might address you know getting those

[1:11:34] Voice 18: notifications out and a better way to do that uh because at that point we have certainty of

[1:11:39] Voice 18: who our trustees are and we may or may not have different staffing i mean who knows by that we

[1:11:46] Voice 18: we know we know staffing is highly fluid at the northern office right now it must be frustrating

[1:11:51] Voice 18: for you guys i'm sure uh hopefully we get some some folks to stick around for a little longer

[1:11:57] Voice 18: anyway that's that's my thoughts on this item did

[1:12:02] Voice 4: you have anything or should you just put

[1:12:05] Voice 4: a motion on the floor

[1:12:05] Voice 16: no i i i think we're doing a standing resolution because we can do that right

[1:12:09] Voice 16: now and it's quite simple to change um i i didn't look at the uh the meeting procedures by the way

[1:12:17] Voice 16: one of the things that says in there is if necessary two trustees can call a meeting and

[1:12:23] Voice 16: they can waive notice of meaning and so presumably they can have the meeting it doesn't specify how

[1:12:29] Voice 16: quickly they could have the meeting and i don't know that seems odd to me that the trustees can

[1:12:36] Voice 16: can just, apparently the way I read it,

[1:12:40] Voice 16: just hold a meeting the next day or 10 minutes later.

[1:12:44] Voice 3: I wouldn't

[1:12:49] Voice 16: want three trustees to get in

[1:12:51] Voice 16: and have that essentially would be secret meetings

[1:12:53] Voice 16: because there's no public notice of them at all

[1:12:56] Voice 16: held on a few minutes or a day's notice.

[1:12:59] Voice 16: Well, I would guess that

[1:13:00] Voice 18: with the new sort of standard

[1:13:04] Voice 18: of now recording and live streaming meetings that in fact there's probably no such thing as secret

[1:13:11] Voice 18: meetings i mean just yeah that's okay

[1:13:14] Voice 9: but i agree it's problematic i

[1:13:17] Voice 18: mean i think that

[1:13:21] Voice 18: maybe we could go back and and and add some language in there that you know would sort of

[1:13:27] Voice 18: give some guidance onto that really being like you know something super urgent or emergency

[1:13:35] Voice 18: and then it shouldn't just be discretionary because two trustees out of three feel like having a meeting and not allowing some, you know, some time for that.

[1:13:49] Voice 18: Of course, and the other reality is that even though trustees might request a meeting that doesn't in their staff capacity to hold the meeting at short notice.

[1:13:58] Voice 18: So I just wanted to point out all those details.

[1:14:00] Voice 18: Yes,

[1:14:01] Voice 16: and we have the resolution without meeting option too, but that can be very frustrating unless you're all thinking the same things.

[1:14:11] Voice 16: Yes, the no discussion part.

[1:14:15] Voice 18: But I think it's actually wise that it is that limited.

[1:14:19] Voice 18: oh yeah yeah nothing

[1:14:21] Voice 3: to do oh i just wanted to come out that that when when you call a meeting

[1:14:25] Voice 3: it does have to be notified in some way but but i think the meeting procedures file says it's 24

[1:14:31] Voice 3: hours i mean you don't you don't have to get much notice but there does have to be some notice

[1:14:35] Voice 3: technically yeah yeah but

[1:14:38] Voice 16: the official notice i think is it's on the trust website

[1:14:41] Voice 16: and then it also says a notice board accessible to the public on the island that's right but

[1:14:49] Voice 16: That's for the original year schedule meeting.

[1:14:52] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:14:52] Voice 4: I can't

[1:14:53] Voice 16: pull up the file right now.

[1:14:56] Voice 4: Did you have a resolution ready?

[1:14:59] Voice 18: I do have a resolution ready.

[1:15:02] Voice 18: Just let me make sure.

[1:15:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): Catherine, pay attention.

[1:15:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have a resolution.

[1:15:05] Voice 18: I can email it to Catherine as well, which might be helpful.

[1:15:11] Voice 2: Tim's going to

[1:15:12] Voice 18: email you this resolution, Catherine.

[1:15:15] Voice 2: Oh, great.

[1:15:16] Voice 2: right and

[1:15:17] Voice 10: catherine with a c okay

[1:15:22] Voice 11: okay okay

[1:15:23] Voice 10: that'll help okay

[1:15:25] Voice 16: catherine it's still over there

[1:15:30] Voice 16: on the on the screen um

[1:15:35] Voice 18: well actually i don't see it's not popping up on it so i may need

[1:15:40] Voice 18: her email address it

[1:15:44] Voice 11: is k t v as in

[1:15:49] Voice 11: bank k v

[1:15:51] Voice 10: k

[1:15:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): tv no just sorry yep

[1:15:55] Voice 2: k t as in teresa

[1:15:57] Voice 2: v as in

[1:15:58] Voice 2: vancouver yeah o g as in god t as

[1:16:03] Voice 2: in teresa at telus.net

[1:16:09] Voice 10: okay i'm

[1:16:19] Voice 18: sending that and

[1:16:20] Voice 18: hopefully we'll get that in a timely fashion all

[1:16:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): right so proceed with okay

[1:16:25] Voice 18: i move that the ski

[1:16:27] Voice 18: island local trust committee adopt the following standing resolution with respect to public

[1:16:30] Voice 18: notification of changes in local trust committee meeting times dates or venues changes in meeting

[1:16:37] Voice 18: start times dates and or venues shall be posted seven days prior to meeting time at the on the

[1:16:43] Voice 18: island's trust website on the notice board on island that is accessible to the public

[1:16:46] Voice 18: and on a building entrance of the original and new venue

[1:16:51] Voice 18: if the venue is being changed.

[1:16:54] Voice 16: Is there a second?

[1:16:57] Voice 16: I'll second that.

[1:17:01] Voice 16: Why not post it on the building venue

[1:17:03] Voice 16: even if the venue isn't being changed?

[1:17:06] Voice 18: It says, well, it's pointing out that if you're changing the building,

[1:17:12] Voice 18: you put it on the original building and the new venue.

[1:17:15] Voice 18: Oh, okay.

[1:17:16] Voice 18: one

[1:17:16] Voice 16: of the one of the changes is often from a in-person meeting to an electronic meeting

[1:17:22] Voice 16: and you would put it on the building on the

[1:17:24] Voice 18: on this building yeah

[1:17:25] Voice 16: on a building entrance

[1:17:27] Voice 18: of the original and new venue if the venue is being changed okay if the venue is being

[1:17:32] Voice 18: changed to electronic then you would put it on this building uh right

[1:17:38] Voice 16: yeah okay um and i

[1:17:41] Voice 16: And I wonder about seven days.

[1:17:42] Voice 16: That seems like a lot if we need to have a gene in a hurry.

[1:17:48] Voice 16: Okay, well.

[1:17:50] Voice 16: I don't know.

[1:17:53] Voice 16: What do you think about five days?

[1:17:57] Voice 18: I'm not opposed to five days.

[1:17:59] Voice 18: I just think that we need some notice.

[1:18:02] Voice 18: Oh, I agree.

[1:18:04] Voice 18: Do you mind if we canvass the one memory?

[1:18:07] Voice 18: No, I'd

[1:18:09] Voice 16: like to hear it both from Laura and Kevin.

[1:18:11] Voice 18: Okay.

[1:18:11] Voice 18: Okay. Tom, do you think five days notice of a change of meeting time is reasonable?

[1:18:21] Voice 18: I think my point is that if I'm

[1:18:24] Voice 13: going to make an address, if I have to put it in 10 days.

[1:18:26] Voice 18: No, no,

[1:18:27] Voice 18: we're just talking about if the meeting has to change.

[1:18:30] Voice 18: Five working days.

[1:18:31] Voice 18: Five working days?

[1:18:32] Voice 18: Are you happy with that?

[1:18:34] Voice 16: So that would be not Saturday, Sunday?

[1:18:37] Voice 16: What do you mean working days?

[1:18:39] Voice 16: Well, it's generally from Monday to Friday.

[1:18:40] Voice 16: Right. So don't include Saturday or Sunday.

[1:18:43] Voice 3: We would say business days.

[1:18:44] Voice 13: I don't know.

[1:18:44] Voice 13: Five business days?

[1:18:46] Voice 13: That's a term that I've heard a lot, five working days.

[1:18:48] Voice 13: Say one week or five working days.

[1:18:50] Voice 13: Yeah. That's

[1:18:50] Voice 18: usually for a return of something.

[1:18:53] Voice 18: Okay. So you're comfortable that I'm comfortable that.

[1:18:55] Voice 18: How about Laura and Evan?

[1:18:58] Voice 18: I mean, that's perfectly reasonable.

[1:19:00] Voice 18: Five days is plenty of time.

[1:19:03] Voice 18: And this is the standing resolution.

[1:19:05] Voice 18: This isn't the bylaw yet.

[1:19:06] Voice 13: The

[1:19:07] Voice 3: one question in my mind is, if it gets changed to an electronic meeting, the instances that we've had in the last year or so, it really is two or three days that the decision was made to make it electronic instead of in person.

[1:19:27] Voice 3: and um and so this doesn't it doesn't give you the flexibility and maybe that's okay

[1:19:36] Voice 3: maybe you're you're saying we have to make this decision five business days ahead um and we can't

[1:19:44] Voice 3: change change anything once that five business days is passed or you know you're less than five

[1:19:51] Voice 3: business days that's the impact so my

[1:19:56] Voice 18: my thought on that is is i would um i hear what you're saying

[1:20:02] Voice 18: i kind of feel like for the luskete local trust committee that it would be really extraordinary

[1:20:10] Voice 18: circumstances where especially moving to electronic meeting um where it would be

[1:20:17] Voice 18: so important to do it in in such a short time frame that we didn't have five days to notify

[1:20:23] Voice 18: the public that i would err on the side of notifying the public even if that meant we had to

[1:20:30] Voice 18: push our meeting date back a couple more days to make that work i just don't i don't feel like

[1:20:37] Voice 18: there's that much that's really urgent an emergency that happens in the local trust committee

[1:20:44] Voice 18: um so i would feel i'd feel comfortable the five five business days as as uh to amend this that's

[1:20:52] Voice 18: my own thoughts okay

[1:20:53] Voice 16: i i'm having the thought of the time and i don't know if it's ever happened

[1:20:58] Voice 16: when the chair and staff arrive at french creek the ferry doesn't run we've got a meeting scheduled

[1:21:04] Voice 16: for 11 o'clock that day could we change it from in person to electronic and they go off to the

[1:21:11] Voice 16: library go into a meeting room or or somewhere i can speak

[1:21:15] Voice 18: to that because it has happened

[1:21:17] Voice 18: in the previous term and what happens then is that uh and now that we're all doing this electronic

[1:21:25] Voice 18: thing what happens then is that the the chair attends electronically and then delegates one

[1:21:32] Voice 18: of the trustees that is there in person to chair the meeting okay and

[1:21:37] Voice 18: that that's unless that's

[1:21:39] Voice 18: been changed i don't believe that's been

[1:21:40] Voice 18: changed in our bylaw so then it just would mean that that

[1:21:44] Voice 18: staff and the chair if they couldn't get on the ferry they would just default to a little tiny

[1:21:49] Voice 16: electronic because the meeting would the meeting could

[1:21:51] Voice 18: continue it just what would be that one of

[1:21:56] Voice 18: the other trustees would chair that meeting and actually in the last term it happened a few times

[1:22:02] Voice 18: and and frequently enough that susan and i alternated who would take over chairing i think

[1:22:10] Voice 18: it happened four times that term four or five times that term okay that makes sense yeah i'll

[1:22:16] Voice 3: have a more case and that is we do we do appreciate having more time so although although i wanted to

[1:22:22] Voice 3: say you know maybe you want it to be quicker it is it's a scramble for staff to have to do things

[1:22:28] Voice 3: within 24 hours right

[1:22:30] Voice 3: so we actually appreciate that yeah

[1:22:33] Voice 18: did you want

[1:22:36] Voice 18: so an amendment i would

[1:22:37] Voice 18: like to amend the motion and i think uh it's catherine that will most need to hear this

[1:22:43] Voice 18: so i'm going to change the um after shall be posted i'm going to want to change that to five

[1:22:50] Voice 18: business days prior to the meeting time so

[1:22:56] Voice 10: you're making that yeah

[1:22:57] Voice 10: i'm

[1:22:59] Voice 18: about to amend the motion

[1:23:05] Voice 10: all right so the amendment is to

[1:23:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): to change

[1:23:09] Voice 16: it to five so is

[1:23:09] Voice 16: that seconded all right i'll second

[1:23:11] Voice 16: that seconded by peter

[1:23:13] Voice 16: do we want to include in this posted on the on the whiskey website and we

[1:23:17] Voice 16: send it to the email list or i mean that probably will be done but that's so but well i would

[1:23:24] Voice 18: actually argue that that besides physical notice boards that the email list is like an electronic

[1:23:32] Voice 18: chronic notice board is it on oh it's not on here i mean there's no reason we could add that but i

[1:23:40] Voice 18: don't think we have to it certainly doesn't it doesn't constrain us from doing so and i would

[1:23:45] Voice 18: assume that a trustee that knew that this was going to happen one of us would try and get the

[1:23:50] Voice 18: word out this is really about hours first because

[1:23:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's the motion that's on the floor now is our

[1:23:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): days so we have a motion to amend uh changing uh to five business days is there any further

[1:24:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): discussion on that then i'll call the vote all those in favor okay so now the motion's amended

[1:24:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): and has the five businesses are there other changes we want to consider to me a notice board's

[1:24:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): a noticeable i mean it could be it's it's we're moving to more modern terms but it's how does

[1:24:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): Does your community expect to see this?

[1:24:29] Voice 18: Both, I would say,

[1:24:31] Voice 18: ideally.

[1:24:33] Voice 3: And I will just say that this motion somewhat is a notice to staff.

[1:24:39] Voice 3: You know, we are in charge of making this happen.

[1:24:42] Voice 3: And we aren't necessarily on your email list.

[1:24:46] Voice 3: I don't know if that's what you're...

[1:24:47] Voice 3: Anybody

[1:24:48] Voice 16: can post to it.

[1:24:49] Voice 3: Yes, but do you want to have...

[1:24:52] Voice 3: I don't know if those are trustee email lists that...

[1:24:55] Voice 3: you can certainly use anytime you want but um we wouldn't necessarily put staff make make sure that

[1:25:03] Voice 3: staff gets your email list added to it if that makes any sense right yeah right so i yeah i'm

[1:25:11] Voice 3: comfortable with this from a just okay all

[1:25:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): right so is there any further discussion of the motion

[1:25:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): as amended i'll call the vote then all those in favor not carried all right any other discussions

[1:25:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): on this item

[1:25:30] Voice 18: i will just um i just want to mention that i would like the ltc to amend bylaw 100 the

[1:25:38] Voice 18: meeting the procedures bylaw by changing the timing of written requests to a shorter time

[1:25:50] Voice 18: period i recognize that um the way to do for us to do that is to go back rescind third reading and

[1:25:57] Voice 18: amend the bylaw that is that's the proper procedure correct i

[1:26:03] Voice 3: believe that bylaw has been adopted

[1:26:04] Voice 3: right i know and

[1:26:06] Voice 18: this is why we did this is why we've done the standing resolution that we just

[1:26:10] Voice 18: did now i'm going to propose that we put amending bylaw 100 or the meeting procedures bylaw back on

[1:26:18] Voice 18: our top priority list because i would like to see us actually take our standing resolution

[1:26:25] Voice 18: and make it part of the bylaw and i would also like to amend section 21 of the bylaw and

[1:26:31] Voice 18: so i think i mean i could do it now i think the appropriate place to do that

[1:26:36] Voice 18: um is to where we get to the to the top priorities list and i'm going to move that we

[1:26:41] Voice 18: remove the finished piece and then put this back on there so that we can um address these

[1:26:48] Voice 18: uh potential amendments but would there maybe a misunderstanding

[1:26:53] Voice 16: but but we can't resend third

[1:26:56] Voice 16: reading at this point because it's been adopted no

[1:26:58] Voice 18: okay well we can imagine we can

[1:27:00] Voice 18: in fact i have

[1:27:02] Voice 18: made my notes to amend yeah but um uh but we'll get to that when we get to the top part of this

[1:27:07] Voice 18: report correct all

[1:27:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): right there so any other items then for this this item then we'll talk about that

[1:27:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): again when we get to item 14.1 so any other business then on that notification

[1:27:32] Voice 16: well this is this is where i was going to speak to copy so tim i understand that you have the copier

[1:27:38] Voice 16: the printer i have and

[1:27:41] Voice 18: i was i was actually going to suggest that we i forgot i was going to

[1:27:45] Voice 18: to suggest that we um add a piece to the uh closed meeting i have a copier

[1:27:53] Voice 6: and

[1:27:54] Voice 18: what i have is an ink

[1:27:56] Voice 18: jet which is incredibly inefficient when it comes to ink

[1:28:01] Voice 6: if

[1:28:03] Voice 18: i were to do what i did here

[1:28:04] Voice 18: it would probably be five six dollars in ink in other words if we had more normal agenda packages

[1:28:14] Voice 18: I probably would have blown through about $30 a week to print this out on that printer.

[1:28:20] Voice 18: The other printer is still in the possession of our former record keeper.

[1:28:27] Voice 18: And that's what I was actually going to, I meant to suggest that we might discuss this

[1:28:31] Voice 18: position of that in our closed meeting, because it tends to be, it may tend to be a bit more

[1:28:36] Voice 18: personal.

[1:28:40] Voice 7: Yeah,

[1:28:41] Voice 18: if that's, I think that's the most reasonable way to address that issue.

[1:28:46] Voice 18: because i think that's actually something we should talk about okay

[1:28:49] Voice 16: at this point we it says

[1:28:51] Voice 16: no closed meeting on the agenda i

[1:28:53] Voice 18: thought we did have a closed meeting on the agenda for the

[1:28:56] Voice 18: purposes of uh i thought we had one on there for the purposes of the abc is that not was that not

[1:29:05] Voice 18: on this well i don't know what for but yeah yeah it

[1:29:08] Voice 16: says no oh

[1:29:09] Voice 18: gosh okay so i totally missed that

[1:29:12] Voice 16: well i don't think it's too late to add it

[1:29:15] Voice 16: if the

[1:29:17] Voice 18: chair would uh if the chair would be willing to indulge me and of course i don't

[1:29:25] Voice 18: have the section and of course we're not there yet either maybe we can dig up the section by

[1:29:29] Voice 18: then i guess it would be um under the section about uh personally

[1:29:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): by the

[1:29:35] Voice 18: time we get identified

[1:29:36] Voice 18: fire for an individual or whatever yeah that section yeah

[1:29:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): so um catherine we're going to amend

[1:29:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): the agenda and add a closed meeting but we'll have that motion later so um

[1:29:51] Voice 2: there is an item

[1:29:52] Voice 2: 16 says closed meeting none correct we're going to have

[1:29:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): one i'm just

[1:30:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's up but we'll have the motion in a when we

[1:30:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): get when we get there sure i

[1:30:06] Voice 3: don't have any internet

[1:30:07] Voice 3: and so i can't find that um

[1:30:10] Voice 18: if you i've got internet i don't mind looking for it if you

[1:30:15] Voice 18: can give me a hint of where i might

[1:30:19] Voice 18: yeah

[1:30:20] Voice 2: i'll yeah i should have a copy i'll look for it right now okay that'd be great right

[1:30:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): we've got enough versions of it we can just take the right letter

[1:30:31] Voice 19: i dash c that's

[1:30:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): the one all right okay so no we'll have no other conversation on that

[1:30:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): than right now yeah okay so that brings us to the next item which is 7.3 the fees by law

[1:30:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): page 15 on the agenda package thank you

[1:30:53] Voice 3: so this is um started out as a model fees by law the

[1:30:58] Voice 3: ltc has requested some amendments to it and um those amendments are reflected in the draft that

[1:31:05] Voice 3: we've presented um the the the proposed bylaw that ltc did give uh two readings on that and

[1:31:13] Voice 3: it has since been amended with the ltc's recommendations so we're recommending third

[1:31:19] Voice 3: leading and moving along to the executive committee all

[1:31:23] Voice 18: right trustees um i'm basically

[1:31:28] Voice 18: satisfied with this i do have i did make myself a note because we did put the community fit benefit

[1:31:41] Voice 18: um back into this bylaw and but we don't have a definition for community benefit

[1:31:47] Voice 18: in the ocp as it sits um so i have a motion that uh would refer to the definition of community

[1:31:55] Voice 18: benefit in the ocp as it relates to temporary use permits um to the incoming apc which is going to

[1:32:01] Voice 18: be when are we going to point we'll probably appoint them by rfd i guess right

[1:32:07] Voice 3: yeah well

[1:32:08] Voice 3: i

[1:32:08] Voice 18: mean by rwm yeah

[1:32:10] Voice 3: well i'm wondering if our ryzen report was supposed to be that

[1:32:16] Voice 3: was supposed to be appointing the apc officially

[1:32:18] Voice 18: are they appointed well

[1:32:20] Voice 3: that's what i'm not sure

[1:32:23] Voice 3: because i

[1:32:24] Voice 18: thought our closed meeting was going to be about that today right is your issue that you

[1:32:28] Voice 18: can't deliver a password no

[1:32:30] Voice 3: no i i've tried i've tried the one password for the last resort it's

[1:32:35] It's

[1:32:35] Voice 3: just telling me that I can't connect on either of the Wi-Fi accesses that I have.

[1:32:41] Voice 3: So maybe we can.

[1:32:43] Voice 16: On either the last resort or let's give you Wi-Fi.

[1:32:45] Voice 16: That's right.

[1:32:46] Voice 16: I can't hear.

[1:32:47] Voice 18: And you're

[1:32:48] Voice 18: clearly online.

[1:32:51] Voice 3: It might be helpful to have somebody in the office.

[1:32:54] Voice 3: And Becky is the one that normally deals with the agendas.

[1:32:59] Voice 3: And she might be able to let us know what it was supposed to be.

[1:33:02] Voice 3: so we could probably at the break connect with her somehow but that might that might be the issue i

[1:33:08] Voice 3: i don't know because i'll let me think about where our state of apc is um are

[1:33:15] Voice 16: we we're talking

[1:33:16] Voice 16: about some of your benefits yeah

[1:33:17] Voice 18: yeah so my

[1:33:18] Voice 18: my question is yeah um before we go ahead and give

[1:33:22] Voice 18: third reading to this i'm actually satisfied with it as it is yeah except for the fact that

[1:33:28] Voice 18: we don't have the definition of the community benefit and then we're not we're obviously not

[1:33:34] Voice 18: going to finish that today just so from a procedural advice point of view are we is it

[1:33:40] Voice 18: foolish of us to go ahead and give third reading or should we be waiting until we have that community

[1:33:46] Voice 18: benefit divide defined i

[1:33:50] Voice 3: think you can i think you can move it forward without that defined you have

[1:33:54] Voice 3: You have added a consideration of community benefit definition to your OCP project, your projects list.

[1:34:05] Voice 3: You could also, if you want that opinion to know later, you can simply refer it to the APC.

[1:34:13] Voice 3: And then

[1:34:13] Voice 6: whenever that

[1:34:14] Voice 3: is, we can refer it on.

[1:34:19] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:34:19] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:34:20] Voice 3: There is

[1:34:21] Voice 16: a definition in the by-law of community benefit.

[1:34:25] Voice 3: Oh, in the fees by-law.

[1:34:27] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:34:27] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:34:28] Voice 3: But the definition refers to the OCP definition, and there isn't one in the OCP.

[1:34:38] Voice 19: It says an amenity that is of value

[1:34:40] Voice 16: to the community

[1:34:41] Voice 18: and identified in the OCP.

[1:34:43] Voice 16: Okay.

[1:34:43] Voice 16: Well, here's a suggestion.

[1:34:44] Voice 16: We take that phrase out and identify it in the community plan, which in the opinion of

[1:34:50] Voice 16: the local trust community benefits had sufficient benefit to the community and i agree it would be

[1:34:56] Voice 16: better to have a policy than general description to guide the local trust community rather than

[1:35:01] Voice 16: whoever's sitting there and however they're feeling that moment but that would be a way

[1:35:05] Voice 16: that we could do that temporarily i you know if i may sorry

[1:35:11] Voice 18: we're running a little rapid here

[1:35:13] Voice 18: well i would actually

[1:35:14] Voice 18: prefer the way it's written right now then to because it sounds like what

[1:35:18] Voice 18: you're uh proposing is is actually giving some more authority to the ltc to define that

[1:35:24] Voice 18: to decide each time whether to decide the actual proposal and a sufficient

[1:35:30] Voice 18: community plan and i

[1:35:32] Voice 18: think that we don't need to amend it because it says results in a provision of an amenity that

[1:35:39] Voice 18: is of value to the community

[1:35:40] Voice 6: comma

[1:35:42] Voice 18: and identified in the official community plan as a community

[1:35:46] Voice 18: community benefit but

[1:35:47] Voice 16: it's not identified in the OCP my

[1:35:49] Voice 18: guess

[1:35:50] Voice 16: is it won't be for at least a year

[1:35:52] Voice 16: um well and that's that's

[1:35:56] Voice 18: possible and it may be and I don't I don't feel that there's probably a

[1:36:01] Voice 18: high likelihood that there's going to be a controversial community benefit temporary

[1:36:09] Voice 18: use permit applications between now and the time that this is a address in the OCP and you would

[1:36:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): make that

[1:36:17] Voice 18: decision at this table and we would i would leave i definitely assume that the ltc if

[1:36:22] Voice 18: that did come up would find a way forward whether that was canvassing the community on the specific

[1:36:29] Voice 18: application or or what happened but

[1:36:32] Voice 16: they couldn't do it if it isn't in the ocp the

[1:36:36] Voice 18: way i read this

[1:36:38] Voice 18: yeah i don't know i i don't actually see that i don't see it i don't see holding up this based on

[1:36:46] Voice 18: on that not being defined yet well

[1:36:48] Voice 16: i it's not holding up this but it's holding up the process

[1:36:52] Voice 16: that's saying i think it's holding up the process is saying this application has lots of community

[1:37:00] Voice 16: benefit and we'd like to give it the preferential rate because it's not defined in the official

[1:37:06] Voice 16: community plan

[1:37:07] Voice 18: and that project is only in the fees bylaw that's all it's only referencing

[1:37:13] Voice 18: and temporary permits it's not referenced

[1:37:15] Voice 18: in any other part of the bottle if i'm not mistaken

[1:37:20] Voice 18: so it's only a temporary use permit application

[1:37:25] Voice 18: and you know i mean if for some peter i i would just say if for some reason that this comes up

[1:37:33] Voice 18: before this is done i i will help fund raise the uh extra 350 dollars to pay the the full amount

[1:37:42] Voice 18: out okay um like i don't i actually don't see this as a that's a big stumbling block for going ahead

[1:37:47] Voice 18: and getting this third reading low

[1:37:49] Voice 16: risk i think

[1:37:51] Voice 18: low risk is a nice way i

[1:37:52] Voice 16: have some questions about

[1:37:54] Voice 16: it before

[1:37:54] Voice 3: did you have something on that i do i just um part of the reason that we

[1:38:02] Voice 3: so the model bylaw had this this in it after it went out to a couple of

[1:38:08] Voice 3: of ltc is we realized that it was problematic administratively because if so the way that

[1:38:16] Voice 3: application works is the applicant the application to our office and our funding team assistant

[1:38:23] Voice 3: takes it in and she says okay the fee is x and if there's nothing to guide her and in terms of

[1:38:32] Voice 3: what's a community benefit or not if this tup provides a community benefit or not then she

[1:38:38] Voice 3: doesn't know which fee to ask for and the application can't be processed until she has a fee

[1:38:44] Voice 3: so um so that's why we thought we should take it out completely because we just didn't know how we

[1:38:51] Voice 3: were going to administer that kind of fee if if you didn't have a clearly identified community

[1:38:58] Voice 3: benefit in your ocp now if if you did then that's where she would look she'd say okay it's listed

[1:39:04] Voice 3: it that these things are community benefits this tup is recommending that then i know i can charge

[1:39:11] Voice 3: yeah am

[1:39:14] Voice 16: i correct in remembering that when we believe there's a community benefit they can

[1:39:18] Voice 16: ask the executive committee to waive the fee i don't

[1:39:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's a sponsorship program

[1:39:25] Voice 16: yeah we did

[1:39:27] Voice 16: that with the application for the zoning change for the last resource society and it was it was

[1:39:34] Voice 16: waived and there was no fee so that

[1:39:36] Voice 16: that is a way the community benefit can be looked after not just

[1:39:40] Voice 16: for a discount but for i assume total or partial weighting of the fee it's

[1:39:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh we've seen both

[1:39:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): partials in total and it is part of this

[1:39:50] Voice 3: piece by law section 8.1

[1:39:51] Voice 16: so i'd be happy with just getting

[1:39:55] Voice 16: rid of the community benefits since it is just instances uh temporary use permits which i mean

[1:40:04] Voice 16: i think we've got an application now to kathy on his application for the top of their

[1:40:11] Voice 16: temporary use permit it

[1:40:13] Voice 3: is yeah but

[1:40:14] Voice 16: they're not very common

[1:40:15] Voice 18: they're not terribly common

[1:40:19] Voice 18: um i mean i know i asked for the reinsertion of that and because i actually do feel there

[1:40:24] Voice 18: there's a potential for this to be um a benefit but i don't see it as like looming i mean there

[1:40:34] Voice 18: reason i'm fine to go ahead and give the third reason today is i don't think it's happening

[1:40:38] Voice 18: in the next year i see this as something that may happen down the road and that's why i asked for it

[1:40:44] Voice 18: to be reinstated which we did actually hold on that previous meeting and staff has gone ahead

[1:40:50] Voice 16: and done that but that was in the model wasn't

[1:40:54] Voice 6: it no

[1:40:56] Voice 18: that was taken out of the mall and we put if we

[1:40:58] Voice 18: okay by resolution we put it back in the mall okay or back into our version both

[1:41:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): tim and i were on

[1:41:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): on the regional planning committee and and we did spend a lot of time talking

[1:41:09] Voice 18: about that issue

[1:41:10] Voice 18: and felt that

[1:41:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): it was a value to have that path right up front because the sponsorship path is

[1:41:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's no guarantee that goes off

[1:41:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the executive and they may or may not approve it

[1:41:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): whereas this was a at least a path of certainty for an applicant yeah

[1:41:31] Voice 16: if it's if it's defined

[1:41:33] Voice 18: in the ocp yeah once i would say once it's defined in the ocp because i have a further

[1:41:38] Voice 18: i have a motion prepared to also refer this to the incoming apc assuming that we go ahead and

[1:41:46] Voice 18: get through the reading to this today so um and that's i would i actually would think that the

[1:41:51] Voice 18: proper time to do that is once we've decided whether we're going to go ahead and pass the

[1:41:55] Voice 18: motions before us here the recommendations so

[1:41:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): what would you like to do i'm

[1:42:00] Voice 18: happy to go ahead

[1:42:01] Voice 18: moving motions for the first motion anyway

[1:42:04] Voice 16: oh i actually have some questions i'd like to ask okay

[1:42:07] Voice 18: go ahead

[1:42:07] Voice 16: table two the development permits have the same amount for commercial and residential

[1:42:13] Voice 16: commercial industrial institutions i wonder why they're differentiating

[1:42:19] Voice 10: is there a need or benefit too that

[1:42:25] Voice 12: seems

[1:42:27] Voice 3: like a good question though i

[1:42:28] Voice 16: don't know the answer

[1:42:30] Voice 16: okay number seven other permits heritage alteration permit what is that

[1:42:35] Voice 16: Is that for archaeology?

[1:42:39] Voice 3: Yes, but I do believe you have to have something in your bylaws that

[1:42:44] Voice 3: would trigger that heritage alteration permit, and you don't currently.

[1:42:50] Voice 16: Currently, one needs,

[1:42:52] Voice 16: one's supposed to get a permit from the archaeology branch to do any work in or near

[1:42:57] Voice 16: that might disturb.

[1:42:58] Voice 3: Yeah, and this

[1:42:59] Voice 16: is an additional

[1:43:00] Voice 3: one? Yes, it would be a local one. I believe that

[1:43:03] Voice 3: salt spraying has a heritage alteration provision and

[1:43:07] Voice 18: i would think theoretically you could use it

[1:43:10] Voice 18: for things that are non-archaeological like settler heritage um preservation

[1:43:17] Voice 18: settler heritage buildings or i believe if i'm not mistaken i think there was even a discussion that

[1:43:23] Voice 18: like uh uh a tree could be covered um by heritage alteration permits so say like i know from in my

[1:43:33] Voice 18: childhood there's this beautiful maple tree that was by the side of the road that he's always stopped

[1:43:37] Voice 18: and said that and wrote for him and took it out because they felt like it it actually wasn't any

[1:43:43] Voice 18: further into the road than any of the rest of them

[1:43:45] Voice 6: if

[1:43:46] Voice 18: i could go back and change history i would love

[1:43:49] Voice 18: I would love to put a heritage alteration permit on that tree and stop that from happening because it was totally unnecessary.

[1:43:55] Voice 18: But anyway, there was discussion that it's actually that flexible that it could be used for sort of whatever the local community.

[1:44:03] Voice 16: But we'd have to go on for

[1:44:05] Voice 18: we'd have

[1:44:06] Voice 16: to go and make a define what's heritage.

[1:44:08] Voice 16: if this is a heritage tree yes

[1:44:09] Voice 18: we would have to we would have to define

[1:44:12] Voice 16: whatever heritage work

[1:44:14] Voice 18: do we want

[1:44:15] Voice 16: to leave this in here although at this point it's meaningless

[1:44:19] Voice 16: i

[1:44:19] Voice 18: think it's confusing i don't think it's going to cause any problems being in there

[1:44:23] Voice 16: people will ask uh same question for strata conversion table four number four

[1:44:30] Voice 16: or $1,500 fee, is it a conversion to a strata or from a strata or?

[1:44:37] Voice 16: I

[1:44:38] Voice 4: should know that.

[1:44:39] Voice 16: Isn't this, we do this as part of a subdivision application from Monty.

[1:44:44] Voice 3: Right, and I'm not sure on that.

[1:44:47] Voice 3: I

[1:44:48] Voice 18: don't know what a strata conversion is either, but I don't know.

[1:44:51] Voice 3: I

[1:44:51] Voice 18: would assume that it

[1:44:52] Voice 3: was a strata and now we're making it into a fee simple,

[1:44:57] Voice 3: something like that.

[1:44:57] Voice 18: Oh, converting a strata into a fee simple?

[1:45:01] Voice 3: something like that okay

[1:45:03] Voice 16: uh on page 26.6 i think this is this is confused i think it's backwards

[1:45:11] Voice 16: if the amount of money paid by the island's trust in respect of an extraordinary service cost is

[1:45:16] Voice 16: less than the cost provided to the island's trust the island's trust shall provide the

[1:45:22] Voice 16: applicant with the amount and the applicant shall pay the amount upon receipt i i think it's that

[1:45:29] Voice 16: makes sense i think that if the trust should pay them back no okay you've been you've been

[1:45:36] Voice 18: levying

[1:45:37] Voice 16: an extraordinary service cost this is a big if

[1:45:40] Voice 18: the amount paid paid by the island stress

[1:45:42] Voice 18: not to the audience it's okay yeah you're right and this

[1:45:47] Voice 10: is about a refund i think yeah i think

[1:45:51] Voice 10: you're right but i wonder if it's meant to be about a refund this

[1:46:01] Voice 18: is the right underneath it

[1:46:02] Voice 18: in 6.7 it says the island's trust must refund the unused portion to the applicant so i actually

[1:46:09] Voice 18: think you're right i think 6.6 i think less in that first line should be more rather than less

[1:46:23] Voice 18: does that make sense to you uh heather

[1:46:26] Voice 11: yeah i because

[1:46:28] Voice 18: the following line addresses refunding

[1:46:31] Voice 18: any unused portion of this extraordinary services cost and 6.6 and in fact the way it's worded it

[1:46:39] Voice 18: it's quite awkward if less if it's less rather than more i think that

[1:46:43] Voice 18: should be amended to say

[1:46:44] Voice 18: more i

[1:46:45] Voice 16: think you're right and

[1:46:46] Voice 18: that makes it make sense yeah

[1:46:49] Voice 3: i don't agree with that uh

[1:46:52] Voice 18: can we just

[1:46:52] Voice 18: deal with this on the fly i i would move that uh that we amend the uh fees by law

[1:47:04] Voice 18: section 6.6 um by replacing the

[1:47:11] Voice 19: word less in the first sentence with more all right catherine are

[1:47:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): you you can read that back when you think you have it

[1:47:22] Voice 2: or ask for

[1:47:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): clarity that

[1:47:25] Voice 2: that the luskete island

[1:47:26] Voice 2: local trust committee amend fees by well i'll fill that out section 6.6 by replacing the word less

[1:47:33] Voice 2: to the word more yeah you

[1:47:39] Voice 10: got that is that seconded oh yeah sorry yeah all right i'm sorry

[1:47:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): i was just trying to look at another island's version and it's very different

[1:48:00] Voice 4: It's

[1:48:00] Voice 13: really a rocket's meeting, isn't it?

[1:48:02] Voice 13: Oh, yes!

[1:48:04] Voice 4: Quiet down in the back.

[1:48:08] Voice 16: Actually, he's in the front.

[1:48:10] Voice 16: That

[1:48:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): was the application process.

[1:48:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's not why it's different.

[1:48:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, this is

[1:48:17] Voice 18: extraordinary service costs.

[1:48:19] Voice 8: Yeah, no,

[1:48:22] Voice 3: it is exactly the same.

[1:48:25] Voice 3: This may be

[1:48:26] Voice 3: the first time it's actually been caught.

[1:48:28] Voice 3: Yeah,

[1:48:28] Voice 18: 6.7 wasn't right underneath it. It'd be harder

[1:48:36] Voice 18: to notice. Yeah, good catch, Peter.

[1:48:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right.

[1:48:40] Voice 18: If there's any

[1:48:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): further discussion, I'll call the vote. All those in favor?

[1:48:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): Carried. And I guess you'll check all those ones that were just passed.

[1:48:53] Voice 15: And now we're talking about the whole bylaw as amended?

[1:48:58] Voice 15: we've made that amendment so yes keep

[1:49:00] Voice 15: going and no I don't have more

[1:49:03] Voice 16: amendments all right

[1:49:05] Voice 16: we're and I can't remember that was we're allowed to this is the numbers that were in the model

[1:49:10] Voice 16: right we varied some of them and we're allowed to to vary them down 20

[1:49:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): up or down 20 percent

[1:49:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah

[1:49:18] Voice 16: my concern is that these fees are so much higher than they were we don't get that many

[1:49:25] Voice 16: any applications anyway.

[1:49:26] Voice 16: I think it's really going to deter people from applying

[1:49:29] Voice 16: and people will more and more just go ahead and do it.

[1:49:34] Voice 16: I don't think it's a good move to put the fees up so much.

[1:49:41] Voice 16: I understand the desire to have applicants pay most of the cost,

[1:49:47] Voice 16: but I'm not sure it will work to our benefit,

[1:49:50] Voice 16: to the community's benefit, to the Islands Trust benefit.

[1:49:53] Voice 16: I think the fees and revenues will probably decline,

[1:49:56] Voice 16: I'm certainly not climbing significantly, at least from Muskegee.

[1:50:00] Voice 16: I don't know about other islands.

[1:50:02] Voice 4: Yes.

[1:50:03] Voice 18: Well, I think you've actually just contradicted yourself

[1:50:06] Voice 18: because you started by saying that we hardly ever get any applications

[1:50:09] Voice 18: and then saying that this is going to give us fewer applications.

[1:50:14] Voice 18: And actually, I don't see that as being the case.

[1:50:17] Voice 18: I think we're going to probably get about the same number of applications

[1:50:21] Voice 18: as we already don't get.

[1:50:25] Voice 18: I mean I actually don't see it as

[1:50:28] Voice 18: being a deterrent

[1:50:29] Voice 18: I think that the people that are

[1:50:31] Voice 18: wanting to do things by

[1:50:33] Voice 18: the book are going to pay the fees

[1:50:35] Voice 18: whether they were this schedule

[1:50:37] Voice 18: or the previous schedule the people that

[1:50:39] Voice 18: really don't care about doing

[1:50:41] Voice 18: things by the book are going to continue

[1:50:43] Voice 18: to not care about it regardless of

[1:50:45] Voice 18: how low the fees are so I disagree

[1:50:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): part of the problem is that they haven't been

[1:50:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): updated in a long time

[1:50:52] Voice 18: this is what we're seeing

[1:50:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): a

[1:50:53] Voice 18: number of violence the

[1:50:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): salt spring was an unusual case that had updated them

[1:50:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh quite frequently so this was like in some cases

[1:51:00] Voice 17: actually some hours were higher

[1:51:03] Voice 17: in a couple of places

[1:51:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): um so i think this will stop because now this has a built-in case where

[1:51:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): it will increase automatically so we won't you won't have this future condition in 15

[1:51:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): years from now where it's out of date again so yes it appears to be a jump

[1:51:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): but it's moderating something that should have been increased a long time

[1:51:26] Voice 16: ago i understand that

[1:51:28] Voice 16: that's my concern and our i would like to make sure that we take full advantage of that 20

[1:51:34] Voice 16: less than the model well i think that's

[1:51:39] Voice 10: i mean that's always an option right well

[1:51:43] Voice 16: you know but

[1:51:44] Voice 16: i'm i'm saying i would like to exercise that well then you

[1:51:47] Voice 18: should run for trustee again peter i

[1:51:49] Voice 16: don't

[1:51:53] Voice 18: it it's in there this this this we can we can vary it by 20 percent yeah

[1:51:58] Voice 16: i know i have

[1:51:59] Voice 16: we vary some

[1:52:00] Voice 18: of them well sorry what it says in here is that the ltc when considering an

[1:52:07] Voice 18: application can modify the fee no i

[1:52:10] Voice 16: don't think so i think it's when it's adopted by law

[1:52:13] Voice 3: that's right that's right it's not yeah there's some we

[1:52:17] Voice 16: can't vary it for for people we like and

[1:52:19] Voice 16: not that for people we don't like it's

[1:52:22] Voice 3: it's the bylaw itself that that needs to be oh it's the

[1:52:25] Voice 16: bylaws yeah

[1:52:26] Voice 3: yeah so we would need we would need specific we would know which which fees

[1:52:33] Voice 3: do

[1:52:39] Voice 18: you have amendments ready or do you want should we be deferring this to our next meeting because

[1:52:44] Voice 18: i'm not ready to do this on the fly yeah

[1:52:46] Voice 10: yeah i'd like to defer it to the next meeting all

[1:52:55] Voice 16: right or

[1:52:56] Voice 16: you know i mean i can i can have a look at what we're having i assume we're going to stop for

[1:53:01] Voice 16: lunch at some point soonish i should have a look and see if i can okay well

[1:53:08] Voice 18: if you're wanting to

[1:53:11] Voice 18: further amend it then there's no point trying to make the motion to if they're reading at this

[1:53:17] Voice 18: point well you know you can do that i can but if if i know that you want to amend it then it's kind

[1:53:24] Voice 18: of silly to do that well

[1:53:26] Voice 16: if if two of us feel that this is ready and needs to be adopted that that's

[1:53:32] Voice 16: you can do that well

[1:53:34] Voice 18: yes but i mean from a more collegial point of

[1:53:38] Voice 18: view if if you feel that you

[1:53:40] Voice 18: want to make amendments yeah i'm happy to wait until you're ready to do that assuming i'd like

[1:53:46] Voice 16: to

[1:53:46] Voice 18: find the next meeting yeah i would like to check so to make sure we are taking so i will

[1:53:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): wait till after you want to wait at

[1:53:53] Voice 18: least at least until the end of the break okay

[1:53:56] Voice 18: oh

[1:53:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): hello

[1:54:04] Voice 2: i was hoping to get clarification from um planning manager heather cower about um

[1:54:12] Voice 2: this last point you just made that is it that the fees that are going to be waived

[1:54:19] Voice 2: in the fees bylaw they had to the trustees have to choose which fees can be waived no

[1:54:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): no oh they

[1:54:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): were just they were just talking about the 20 what it applied to oh okay it

[1:54:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): was to the schedule

[1:54:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): not to the applicant at the time okay thank you no worries

[1:54:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay so we'll just uh temporarily park

[1:54:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): this and come back to it okay so we have

[1:54:52] Voice 18: before we move completely from this um i would like to

[1:54:58] Voice 18: make a motion about referring this to the incoming abc and specifically the community benefit so okay

[1:55:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): catherine there's a

[1:55:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): motion coming with

[1:55:06] Voice 18: your indulgence and i'll um just go ahead and send

[1:55:13] Voice 18: that to catherine as well

[1:55:14] Voice 9: because why not tim's

[1:55:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to send it to you

[1:55:23] Voice 18: i move i move that the ltc referred definition of community benefit in the ocp as it relates

[1:55:32] Voice 18: to temporary use permits to the old to the incoming apc all

[1:55:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): right is i'm gonna let uh

[1:55:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): so you emailed that to catherine i did okay he's emailed that to you is that seconded

[1:55:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): oh

[1:55:49] Voice 16: sorry um so you said say the read again

[1:55:55] Voice 18: that the ltc referred definition of community benefit in the ocp as it relates to temporary

[1:56:01] Voice 18: use permits to the incoming apc okay

[1:56:05] Voice 16: i'm not sure what that means refer

[1:56:06] Voice 18: ask them to come up with

[1:56:08] Voice 18: we'll ask them for suggestions we've already we've added it back to the

[1:56:12] Voice 18: ocp project it's on that ocp project yeah um i just thought it might be nice to run it

[1:56:18] Voice 18: by the APC when they are confirmed

[1:56:24] Voice 18: as to help before our discussion

[1:56:26] Voice 18: when we get back to it in the OCP. Because we will be revisiting it

[1:56:30] Voice 18: in the OCP. We added it

[1:56:31] Voice 19: to the project charter.

[1:56:33] Voice 16: I think they're going to need more

[1:56:36] Voice 16: what do you want, rather than just refer

[1:56:38] Voice 16: the issue to them. We would like them to give a suggestion

[1:56:43] Voice 16: for determining when there's a community

[1:56:47] Voice 16: benefit from

[1:56:50] Voice 16: a temporary use.

[1:56:52] Voice 18: If you'd like to add more

[1:56:54] Voice 18: to that, I mean, I would

[1:56:56] Voice 18: assume that staff would give some

[1:56:57] Voice 18: kind of a little bit of

[1:57:00] Voice 18: It does help

[1:57:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): to give specific

[1:57:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): I

[1:57:04] Voice 18: mean, if you've got some

[1:57:06] Voice 18: that

[1:57:08] Voice 16: I was suggesting that

[1:57:10] Voice 16: that would, you know, rather than just refer to the

[1:57:12] Voice 16: issue, they won't have a clue what

[1:57:14] Voice 16: the issue is. I mean,

[1:57:17] Voice 16: i don't think they will what is it you guys want and you know one of us will be at the meeting or

[1:57:22] Voice 16: one of the trustees will be at the meeting and say what they think it is but i think if we've

[1:57:27] Voice 16: talked about what it is a list of community benefits a list of benefits to or possible

[1:57:34] Voice 16: benefits to a community that could trigger a reduction of the fee for a temporary use permit

[1:57:42] Voice 16: Is that

[1:57:46] Voice 4: just

[1:57:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): ask for I guess you're looking for suggestions or recommendations or I guess

[1:57:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's asked requesting recommendations or

[1:57:58] Voice 16: how community benefit could

[1:58:01] Voice 15: be determined or assessed

[1:58:02] Voice 16: or defined it has to really be defined doesn't it the staff member is going to have to look

[1:58:08] Voice 16: at it or recommendations

[1:58:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): to define community benefit I

[1:58:12] Voice 18: said refer definition but we could

[1:58:14] Voice 18: do request the apc to provide it's

[1:58:19] Voice 19: just a different way of wording it um um you know

[1:58:26] Voice 19: you know we'd like to word it please please go ahead um

[1:58:35] Voice 3: so it sounds like i

[1:58:37] Voice 19: mean i thought it

[1:58:38] Voice 19: was fairly specific specific because i did say as it relates to temporary use permits

[1:58:42] Voice 19: permits and the OCP so so

[1:58:47] Voice 3: you're asking them to provide recommendations recommendations

[1:58:51] Voice 18: as to what might be or or potentially because it is on our project for the OCP

[1:59:00] Voice 18: recommendations on how we go about that process so that's why I left it a little bit vague

[1:59:06] Voice 18: because they may not want to define it themselves but they may want to suggest to us

[1:59:14] The

[1:59:14] Voice 18: process by how we didn't you know how we might want to go about defining it, whether that's a larger Community discussion with we have a specific meeting about it, whether we do some engagement around that.

[1:59:29] Voice 18: So I didn't I didn't make it fine because I thought that they might want to you know, of course, we can't force them to do anything, the more perspective, we are the more narrow of a result we get we get, but the more specific, we are.

[1:59:43] Voice 18: the more uh type of information that we're requesting is what we'll hopefully receive

[1:59:51] Voice 10: all right how would you like to proceed here

[1:59:53] Voice 10: i

[1:59:55] Voice 3: have a recommendation excellent all right

[2:00:00] Voice 3: lgc requests that the apc either define community benefit in in the oc3 as it relates to temporary

[2:00:06] Voice 3: instruments or recommend a process by which the lgc could define community benefit

[2:00:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right Catherine if you can I'm going to have uh Heather read this back there's been

[2:00:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): a modification to the it has been seconded yet so this is the resolution go ahead

[2:00:26] Voice 3: The Luskinia Island Local Trust Committee requests that the APC either define community benefit in the OCP as a, let's see, I've got to do that better, for the OCP project as it relates to temporary use permits, or recommend a process by which the LTC could define community benefit.

[2:00:59] Voice 6: You can read

[2:00:59] Voice 2: that back if you.

[2:01:01] Voice 2: i'll need that read once more with the last part that the apc either defined community

[2:01:07] Voice 2: benefit for the ocp project as it relates to temporary use permits

[2:01:13] Voice 3: or or recommend a process

[2:01:21] Voice 3: by which the ltc could define community benefit okay all

[2:01:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): right you got that okay who's making

[2:01:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): that motion

[2:01:35] Voice 18: i'll i'll open that one all right thanks for making it

[2:01:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): so he's making them second

[2:01:39] Voice 18: it

[2:01:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): yes it's seconded by uh peter johnson um all right any discussion i'll call the vote all those

[2:01:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): in favor carry it all right okay so we're gonna temporarily park we'll come back to the other

[2:01:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): motions so we're just gonna leave um item 7.3 for a little bit and we'll come back to it after

[2:02:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): a break so the one more item before the break is item 9.1 on the agenda which is the OCP project

[2:02:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): and there's a stack report on page 22 over to answer could

[2:02:14] Voice 3: I maybe request that we do our break

[2:02:15] Voice 3: now oh sure and then do this after the break yeah sounds

[2:02:19] Voice 6: good to me so

[2:02:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're going to take a are we

[2:02:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): taking a break for a half an hour what time is it it's

[2:02:26] Voice 9: one oh two one one oh three

[2:02:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): so all right

[2:02:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): one thirty-ish one thirty-three

[2:02:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay thank you we're on on break here so do we turn which turn

[2:02:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): this twice there's usually a sign

[2:02:41] Voice 3: that says on the breakback cat i know but that person has to

[2:02:45] Voice 3: do that and we have yeah right now we're not gonna be able to

[2:02:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): do that but we do stop the recording

[2:02:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): Stop the live stream and stop the recording?

[2:02:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): I stopped the live stream, didn't I?

[2:02:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): We just mute it.

[2:02:59] Voice 10: I think we just have to mute.

[2:29:50] Voice 10: We'll start in just a few minutes.

[2:30:17] to

[2:30:28] Voice 10: talk to the tech guy see

[2:30:31] Voice 18: if anyone will talk to him about putting an ethernet cable in here

[2:30:34] Voice 4: and

[2:30:35] Voice 18: also that he wasn't aware we were meeting today and sometimes he wasn't if he's not aware

[2:30:42] Voice 18: he might be trying to do maintenance so we're just talking about how it might be good to

[2:30:47] Voice 18: inform him when people

[2:30:52] Voice 18: yeah all right so i'm

[2:30:53] Voice 16: using the medium well

[2:30:54] Voice 18: well you know we need the internet specifically yeah

[2:30:59] Voice 18: another way to do that that also also some for some people that's private

[2:31:04] Voice 4: this

[2:31:05] Voice 18: could be privacy issues not for our purpose but you know all

[2:31:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): right well we're back at it so i

[2:31:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): guess we'll return back to item 7.3 the fees bylaw are we streaming and broadcasting

[2:31:17] Voice 16: yes we are okay

[2:31:20] Voice 16: able to find a copy of the model used by law and we'll do that so

[2:31:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): what would you like to do then

[2:31:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): with that you're uncomfortable with proceeding today then i

[2:31:32] Voice 16: i can't i don't want to support it

[2:31:34] Voice 16: but if you two do i i'll vote against it i'm

[2:31:40] Voice 18: happy to wait and give you the opportunity to address it

[2:31:43] Voice 18: at the next meeting okay thank you all

[2:31:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): right so do we need a motion to postpone that no okay so

[2:31:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): So, no, we'll just bring the model piece by law back to the next meeting.

[2:31:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, so that moves on to item 9.1, which is the official community plan staff report on page 22.

[2:32:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, over to you.

[2:32:02] Voice 3: So, this is just a memorandum, an update on where we're at, follow up on a few of the LTC's resolutions.

[2:32:12] Voice 3: resolutions uh the first one we uh are attempting to address the the next step in trying to meet

[2:32:20] Voice 3: with Stannis First Nation is um a draft letter that will come from the chair and as noted um

[2:32:28] Voice 3: that letter hasn't gone out yet so we're trying to get that as soon as we can um but in the meantime

[2:32:34] Voice 3: you know we have staff have followed up with Stannis we've left messages and via email and

[2:32:42] Voice 3: voicemail and haven't gotten responses to those so um that in part was why we thought we might

[2:32:49] Voice 3: go to the level of having the ldc dropped a letter so that's the update on that one um the um staff

[2:32:58] Voice 3: also followed up with um working on getting the apca referral on on the um flynnward comments so

[2:33:08] Voice 3: So there were some policies that Flynnward was uncomfortable with and essentially asked to have removed.

[2:33:15] Voice 3: It was referred to, this matter was referred to the APC to give some recommendation on whether,

[2:33:22] Voice 3: and I think the recommendation was whether or not they agreed to remove those policies or in some other way amend them.

[2:33:31] Voice 3: And then the third item that we addressed was the Ministry of Agriculture.

[2:33:35] Voice 3: agriculture um the question of the the feral sheep was presented to them whether or not they

[2:33:41] Voice 3: would define sheep as feral on musketeer and um i did get a response saying that the words feral

[2:33:49] Voice 3: invasive and exotic have specific meaning in the ministry of agriculture's legislation and they

[2:33:55] Voice 3: would not define them with either any of these words um so i did ask what they thought might be

[2:34:03] Voice 3: appropriate terms. And there were two that Ms. Forbes was the one I talked to. One was

[2:34:10] Voice 3: unowned, which seems like it's an accurate description. The other phrase was formerly

[2:34:19] Voice 3: domestic, formerly domestic. So the LTC could choose to do any kind of thing with any of

[2:34:29] Voice 3: things that they want at the moment um for now it's my inclination as i've been writing these

[2:34:35] Voice 3: memorials of updates to just kind of keep track of the topics so that when i bring them back to

[2:34:40] Voice 3: you with the ocp draft we can kind of address them one by one um but those might be some options that

[2:34:47] Voice 3: you have um so at this point this is just an update and um we give you an update on the next

[2:34:54] Voice 3: meeting as well. Hopefully we could get a meeting set up with the person I know top priority.

[2:35:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Holly, we could also introduce, because you probably, you have the standing resolution

[2:35:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): for reconciliation, which has the correspondence, so introducing me too, so reason to write and

[2:35:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): and can probably do both in one letter.

[2:35:30] Voice 3: Right, okay.

[2:35:32] Voice 3: So they don't get-

[2:35:35] Voice 3: I think we still have time to include that information

[2:35:37] Voice 3: in the draft.

[2:35:38] Voice 3: So yeah, we could do that.

[2:35:39] Voice 19: Seems very reasonable.

[2:35:43] Voice 3: Any

[2:35:44] Voice 9: questions, thoughts?

[2:35:45] Voice 9: I just

[2:35:46] Voice 18: wanna comment and thank Heather

[2:35:48] Voice 18: for contacting Christina Forbes at the ministry

[2:35:54] Voice 18: and getting some clarity from them

[2:35:57] Voice 18: because I think it makes sense to be as accurate as we can be in the OCP.

[2:36:06] Voice 18: Obviously, Heather's probably fully aware, and Cherry, you may not be as aware.

[2:36:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): I've read the news.

[2:36:16] Voice 18: Right, but

[2:36:17] Voice 18: how we speak about the sheep, despite the fact that it's essentially advocacy,

[2:36:24] Voice 18: see and uh here they'll do with our actual jurisdiction has been extremely controversial

[2:36:30] Voice 18: in this uh ocp um revision and uh this is sort of a new sort of way of looking at it which is

[2:36:40] Voice 18: uh more about sort of accurate definition than than um than the polarized views of the community

[2:36:51] Voice 18: community about how we how we might refer to them and and um so anyway thank you Heather for for

[2:36:59] Voice 18: getting this to us because I think that this is leading us to something that's it's a bit more

[2:37:05] Voice 18: neutral than trying to take a side um in in the in the polarized effort to um figure out how we adopt

[2:37:14] Voice 18: off to uh how we address them and and this seems a little bit more neutral and i'm very happy to be

[2:37:21] Voice 18: receiving this i personally like formerly domestic but uh i know it is fine too but we can

[2:37:28] Voice 18: as you say we can we can hammer away at that um when we get back to it so we use all three words

[2:37:35] Voice 16: i know i'm formerly domestic yeah any

[2:37:43] Voice 10: other questions on the

[2:37:44] Voice 4: report yeah

[2:37:45] Voice 16: tom really wants

[2:37:47] Voice 16: he looks them to be heritage sheep.

[2:37:49] Voice 16: He insists that they're heritage sheep,

[2:37:51] Voice 16: and they might be heritage in the sense

[2:37:53] Voice 16: that they've been around a long time,

[2:37:55] Voice 16: but they're not a heritage breed of sheep.

[2:37:58] Voice 16: So, but he wants them to have as much status as they can,

[2:38:04] Voice 16: as valuable and unique and

[2:38:07] Voice 18: sort of protect them.

[2:38:10] Voice 18: Yes, and that's definitely the use of heritage

[2:38:14] Voice 18: and the accuracy of that has also been questioned.

[2:38:17] Voice 18: and so what I like about about this information is that is that it you know based on the criteria

[2:38:31] Voice 18: which Tom brought to us about this that in

[2:38:34] Voice 19: fact heritage is is not is not an appropriate term in

[2:38:39] Voice 19: terms of this level of accuracy

[2:38:41] Voice 18: that we're striving to towards with this so I think that

[2:38:45] Voice 18: actually and the use of heritage or not heritage has also been controversial um so i think this is

[2:38:52] Voice 18: actually getting us to a more neutral way of addressing the sheep and i'm happy to be getting

[2:38:59] Voice 18: there um

[2:39:01] Voice 16: that's good okay can i can i go up to the uh one before that which is the uh the refer

[2:39:12] Voice 16: for the section from the Ministry of Forests, Lands, and Natural Resources Rural Development.

[2:39:17] Voice 16: At the very end of the discussion last time, I understood both from Tim and from Peter

[2:39:25] Voice 16: that they wanted the APC, I think my memory is, to come up with rationale

[2:39:33] Voice 16: and justification for having those requests or those desires of the community

[2:39:39] Voice 16: that they wrote to go through them and sort of bolster them if they could or recommend we take

[2:39:45] Voice 16: them out because they're not that important

[2:39:47] Voice 6: and

[2:39:48] Voice 16: i i don't think that's captured in here

[2:39:51] Voice 18: maybe i'm mistaken if you look on page 22 and the top of page 23 there's the actual motion

[2:39:58] Voice 18: that we passed yeah and so that was the actual referral um to the apc for recommendations on

[2:40:07] Voice 18: remove uh actually it's kind of a removal

[2:40:11] Voice 18: amendment or additions to the proposed policies

[2:40:14] Voice 18: yeah and i think that i mean i think it that captures what we were feeling because of course

[2:40:21] Voice 18: those recommendations uh that um that the flint rod is uh having some objections that did come

[2:40:31] Voice 18: come out of the community process not the ltc process right and so the idea of referring them

[2:40:39] Voice 18: to the abc is to try and get a sense of how how important is it that we um you know do we want to

[2:40:49] Voice 18: push back against the the ministry and how important that is and could we reword potentially

[2:40:55] Voice 19: reword in ways that would be less objectionable and still capture you know the general intent

[2:41:01] Voice 19: 10 from the community and uh you know short of doing uh uh another round of engagement i mean

[2:41:14] Voice 19: we will

[2:41:14] Voice 18: be doing one anyway but sure sort of targeting that item as a for engagement that

[2:41:20] Voice 18: we can maybe get smart suggestions from the abc before we go back into the public um consultation

[2:41:29] Voice 18: Yeah,

[2:41:30] Voice 16: I got that. I didn't think that this captured what I understood from the very end

[2:41:37] Voice 16: of that discussion, that removal comes first, or additions. And what I thought it was, is

[2:41:45] Voice 16: to look at ways, if we wanted to, if they recommended it, to bolster the views, or I

[2:41:55] Voice 16: don't bolster it right away but this is coming

[2:41:59] Voice 10: up again in just a moment

[2:42:07] Voice 10: well i mean i feel like it

[2:42:08] Voice 18: a motion was made and carried and i i think at the time it felt like it

[2:42:14] Voice 18: was capturing what we wanted to ask of the abc and with the recognition that of course it's going to

[2:42:23] Voice 18: still come back to the ltc

[2:42:26] Voice 10: and to the public process yep any other questions

[2:42:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): then so just

[2:42:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): wait until we see it back into action at this time yep

[2:42:42] Voice 16: okay a

[2:42:43] Voice 16: little tiny bit more discussion under

[2:42:45] Voice 16: 12.2 all

[2:42:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): right well so that will bring us to the next item here is uh and report at 12.1 on page

[2:42:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): page 24 of the agenda package there's some suggested language here if you're happy with it

[2:43:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): we need the motion or you can amend the language i'm

[2:43:07] Voice 16: okay i think it's short and sweet it captures

[2:43:10] Voice 16: it oh i see i've written it down here oh um was it was that subdivision request is that was that

[2:43:18] Voice 16: the uh property line adjustment for the big piece and loaded it um

[2:43:24] Voice 12: possibly i don't know

[2:43:27] Voice 12: that was the one

[2:43:28] Voice 16: that we looked at last meeting me no that was the i'm sorry i thought we were

[2:43:35] Voice 16: like what the last line of the annual reports is from april to march there we staff reviewed

[2:43:41] Voice 16: one subdivision referral that wasn't

[2:43:46] Voice 18: that the one where we they uh asked for a waiver and we

[2:43:50] Voice 18: that one's not finished yet

[2:43:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): is

[2:43:52] Voice 18: that the one that's being referred to in this report

[2:43:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): actually that statement that sentence

[2:43:58] Voice 18: probably should

[2:43:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): be amended kind of reads like it took you

[2:44:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): a year to review one subdivision right from the

[2:44:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): period yeah during the period only one

[2:44:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): One, a subdivision referral was considered, Mike?

[2:44:12] Voice 16: Yeah, perhaps you'll start with that.

[2:44:14] Voice 19: I think actually looking at the dates, Peter, I think you're right.

[2:44:17] Voice 19: I think that was the large Walton Road one.

[2:44:20] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:44:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): Or in this period, or it needs something so that otherwise it reads like you took a long time

[2:44:28] Voice 16: on one location.

[2:44:29] Voice 16: 365 days.

[2:44:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any suggestions on what you'd like to see just during the period or something?

[2:44:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): Maybe the one.

[2:44:45] Voice 3: well i mean the context is just i don't know the context is that it's this is what we did

[2:44:53] Voice 3: during that time period correct yeah

[2:44:56] Voice 18: i mean it would be just exactly to say reviewed

[2:44:58] Voice 18: all subdivision referrals

[2:45:03] i

[2:45:10] Voice 10: i would have worked

[2:45:12] Voice 16: just to take out from april the 1st to march 31st and say

[2:45:18] Voice 16: this year.

[2:45:21] Voice 16: True.

[2:45:23] Voice 16: All right.

[2:45:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): Are you guys

[2:45:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): happy with that? So, Catherine,

[2:45:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): we were going to make one amendment to the language,

[2:45:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): the third paragraph

[2:45:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): for the

[2:45:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): annual report, and

[2:45:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): remove where it says from

[2:45:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): April 1, 2021 to

[2:45:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): March 31, 2022,

[2:45:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): and replace that with

[2:45:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry, what was the brilliant

[2:45:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): idea again? This year.

[2:45:47] Voice 15: this

[2:45:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): year so it just reads this year's staff

[2:45:51] Voice 10: received one subdivision referral

[2:45:53] Voice 10: are there any other changes oh sorry yeah okay

[2:46:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): good um no i i

[2:46:05] Voice 16: don't have any new team

[2:46:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): no one of us needs

[2:46:09] Voice 16: to be motion

[2:46:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): except i guess you have to say as amended yeah

[2:46:13] Voice 18: that's no problem

[2:46:14] Voice 18: i'm in that the luskety island local trust committee endorsed the following text for

[2:46:19] Voice 18: inclusion in the 2021-22 annual report for approval by the island stress council and

[2:46:27] Voice 18: submission to the minister of municipal affairs and housing as amended is there a second

[2:46:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): second

[2:46:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): by peter johnson any discussion call the vote all those in favor and that's carried

[2:46:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay so the next item is 12.2 on the agenda and i guess that's about making requests

[2:46:50] Voice 16: to staff

[2:46:52] Voice 16: yeah this came to me that after the last meeting and before this one that we we I think too often

[2:47:02] Voice 16: generally say what we want but in a very general way and leave it up to staff to

[2:47:08] Voice 16: to either pass it on that way to the APC or to whoever or to flesh it out and do it I think

[2:47:17] Voice 16: that we need we the local trust committee needs to be as specific as possible in what it would like

[2:47:24] Voice 16: you're not too general i think it would have been too general yeah

[2:47:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm actually trying to

[2:47:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): find some comments on that um i i agree i was actually talking to heather on the way over

[2:47:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): peter about the same thing we've had that's uh come up in our apc as well i noticed that

[2:47:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): without specific instructions they kind of go the direction they're going to go

[2:47:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think you're not saying they can't give you a general comment,

[2:47:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I think the more specific you can be about what you want,

[2:48:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): then the more likelihood you're going to get what you, you know,

[2:48:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): that what you want back from them for, for advice,

[2:48:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): unless you're really saying I'm up in the air about the whole thing,

[2:48:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): or I want, I want you to pay attention to this particular item.

[2:48:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think it does help to give clear instructions.

[2:48:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I know we had a, I'm just trying to find this.

[2:48:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): one of them somebody can give us some feedback very good feedback anyway any other thoughts there

[2:48:39] Voice 18: well i think that uh i think that um that's perfectly like a reasonable um aspiration and

[2:48:48] Voice 18: and uh and i think what that speaks to me is that the more um

[2:48:57] Voice 18: The more we as trustees have sort of thought about and prepared for meetings, the more likely it is that we'll have a more specific request.

[2:49:13] Voice 18: And I think that it may just be by the reality is that sometimes we make requests of staff sort of on the fly and which I'm sure they love very much.

[2:49:30] Voice 18: But that, you know, often we're just like we're trying to word a resolution to direct staff, you know, sort of off the top of our heads.

[2:49:40] Voice 18: And I think that that's probably more often in those cases that we do a worse job of being specific just by virtue of the fact that, you know, we're just doing it on the fly.

[2:49:59] Voice 18: and it's sort of harder to like the more we think ahead like you know i will say for this

[2:50:05] Voice 18: this meeting i spent um some time to actually write out some motions ahead of time

[2:50:11] Voice 18: um just in the to help me but also to help um you know be able to email them to our minute taker

[2:50:19] Voice 18: but also you know uh and then when that process happens uh you know a bit more thought goes into

[2:50:27] Voice 18: that now that we might amend something on the fly because of course we can't discuss the proposed

[2:50:33] Voice 18: motions outside of the meeting together so there is there's a certain amount of you know working

[2:50:44] Voice 18: as we go that's going to happen i think it was unavoidable in a sense um but i fully support

[2:50:52] Voice 18: the idea of being you know trying to give staff the clearest direction that we're able to i don't

[2:50:59] Voice 18: see it like there's a i don't i don't see other than asking the trustees be as prepared as they

[2:51:07] Voice 18: can because we are going to have some discussion because we are going to have some differing

[2:51:12] Voice 18: opinions i think we can only just endeavor to do our best to be as prepared as we can i don't think

[2:51:18] Voice 18: it's entirely avoidable to um to sometimes have resolutions come up that aren't maybe as specific

[2:51:26] Voice 18: as they could be.

[2:51:30] Voice 10: I think what's my thought,

[2:51:32] Voice 10: I

[2:51:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): think what would help is if you,

[2:51:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's just a thing,

[2:51:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): if this is the,

[2:51:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): if the idea is I'm going to refer it to the APC

[2:51:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): is to then have that question.

[2:51:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there an aspect that is important to me

[2:51:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): so that at least you've had that conversation

[2:51:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): and talked about it

[2:51:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): so that you do end up

[2:51:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): as a result of that conversation

[2:51:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): giving at least some instruction so that when you get the report back or they they've thought about

[2:52:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): it they've touched on that idea because i've seen before where it's like this is obvious to me what

[2:52:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): they should have commented on and you know and then i'm stuck with i didn't get any feedback

[2:52:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): on that item that i really would have liked to have known for

[2:52:17] Voice 18: sure yeah i think the other thing

[2:52:19] Voice 18: that i would um sort of identify as as um uh contributing to the problem is like the infrequency

[2:52:27] Voice 18: especially of this ltc of meetings like if we were if we were meeting once a month

[2:52:34] Voice 18: um i think we would be a lot more comfortable about having a discussion

[2:52:40] Voice 18: leaving it coming back the next month having been able to think about it a bit

[2:52:46] Voice 18: and maybe maybe all trustees would have put some effort into thinking more about the specifics

[2:52:54] Voice 18: But with the frequency of our meetings sometimes we want to get a resolution done so that we've given staff some direction and we're not waiting for two or three months before staff gets any direction.

[2:53:08] Voice 18: i mean that's i think that's just that's also something we can't really do anything about but

[2:53:13] Voice 18: i think it it does it is a factor in how we sometimes just push off a resolution because

[2:53:20] Voice 18: we want to just make get the ball rolling rather than waiting you know a longer time

[2:53:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): no i hear you i think i think it's just it's either a mental note or if staff if it's an

[2:53:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): an option in the staff report saying you could refer this to APC. Sometimes they are put in as

[2:53:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): an alternative or recommended option. Just add a little statement about consider the aspect you're

[2:53:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): requesting to be referred. Just so you think about it. There may be nothing you can add,

[2:53:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): but there might be yeah

[2:53:59] Voice 16: i i think there's a too often sometimes would feel like referring

[2:54:05] Voice 16: it to the apc is actually doing something and it is actually doing something but it's

[2:54:09] Voice 16: it's being too blank i think and you know that as i said at the end of the discussion

[2:54:16] Voice 16: on this last time the detail came out about what i thought oh i suddenly understood the point of it

[2:54:27] Voice 10: so do you need any

[2:54:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think if this is more of a conversation discussion

[2:54:31] Voice 16: and then just something

[2:54:32] Voice 16: to keep in note yeah i think being prepared is as tim says very important but also i think it's

[2:54:38] Voice 16: really important to discuss the issues yeah that are meeting as thoroughly as we can and come up

[2:54:43] Voice 16: with and you know saying the apc we want this or this or that doesn't mean that's all we want you

[2:54:50] Voice 16: know but that's what we're looking for and if you've got something else that you've come up

[2:54:55] Voice 16: that you think this fits, please tell us.

[2:54:58] Voice 16: Well, I'm a strong

[2:55:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): advocate of that

[2:55:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): because I think it's, you know, we don't want to,

[2:55:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): the people coming together to spend time for you.

[2:55:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah.

[2:55:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's giving direction to help that.

[2:55:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think there's no loss.

[2:55:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right, then.

[2:55:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): So the next item on the agenda,

[2:55:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): we've got a series of reports here.

[2:55:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): The Trust Conservancy report is on page 25.

[2:55:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): Always lots of good information.

[2:55:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): and reading those trust conservancy reports.

[2:55:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have the applications list here.

[2:55:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): Are there any questions on any of the applications or comments?

[2:55:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): Clearly, the list isn't long enough.

[2:55:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): We'll send you some results.

[2:55:47] Voice 15: I

[2:55:48] Voice 7: was going to

[2:55:48] Voice 15: say, were you shocked or thinking it was a couple of three or four agencies?

[2:55:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah.

[2:55:54] I thought it

[2:55:55] Voice 4: was just an error.

[2:55:58] Voice 4: your expense report is here fiscal year

[2:56:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): and your adopted policies and standing resolutions are

[2:56:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): here you just added one and that reminder of the local webpage so that brings us to the top

[2:56:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): priorities list item 14.1 on page 33 and i believe you were going to take some action

[2:56:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah

[2:56:34] Voice 18: so i i'm just going to do it in two motions for the sake of clarity and simplicity

[2:56:39] Voice 18: i moved that the ltc remove model cell tower strategy from the top priorities list

[2:56:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): Catherine,

[2:56:50] Voice 18: before it's seconded?

[2:56:54] Voice 19: It is completed, isn't it?

[2:56:56] Voice 19: Did

[2:56:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): you get that one?

[2:56:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes, if

[2:56:58] Voice 18: you scroll down to the

[2:56:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): next

[2:56:59] Voice 18: page, 34, right underneath it.

[2:57:01] Voice 18: Yes.

[2:57:02] Voice 18: We adopted it on June 21st, 2021.

[2:57:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is that seconded?

[2:57:09] Voice 16: Oh, yes, sorry.

[2:57:10] Voice 16: That's seconded by Peter Johnson.

[2:57:11] Voice 16: But there's nothing further at this point or coming?

[2:57:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, he's going to add one now.

[2:57:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): He's making space.

[2:57:17] Voice 16: Yeah, no, no, but on this model self-door, no.

[2:57:22] Voice 16: Okay, I didn't think it was, I just want to make sure.

[2:57:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right, if there's no further discussion, I'll call the vote.

[2:57:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): All those in favor?

[2:57:31] Voice 18: That's carried.

[2:57:33] Voice 18: Okay, and then I move that the LTC add amending bylaw 100 to include notice procedures for

[2:57:39] Voice 18: changes to meeting dates, time, or venue to the top priorities list, oh, sorry, and

[2:57:46] Voice 18: amendment of section 21.

[2:57:48] Voice 18: one i should read sorry catherine it should read uh the venue and amendment of section 21

[2:57:59] Voice 18: to the top priorities list it's a little less

[2:58:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): awkward you want to read i think she's probably

[2:58:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to need you to say that again i

[2:58:06] Voice 18: did email you the slightly backwards um version of it

[2:58:13] Voice 2: okay

[2:58:14] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:58:14] Voice 2: I can read it out again

[2:58:15] Voice 18: if you'd like.

[2:58:18] Voice 2: I'll see if I can find it.

[2:58:19] Voice 2: Yeah, if it's on my email.

[2:58:22] Voice 16: Oh

[2:58:22] Voice 2: yeah, I've got your email.

[2:58:26] Voice 2: That the LTC add amending bylaw 100

[2:58:29] Voice 2: to include notice procedures for changes

[2:58:31] Voice 2: to meeting dates, time or venue to the CHOP priorities list

[2:58:34] Voice 2: and amendment of section 21.

[2:58:37] Voice 18: Yes, that's correct.

[2:58:38] Voice 18: But I think it would read nicer.

[2:58:40] Voice 18: or it's better if if after venue uh we put and amendment of section 21 to the top priorities list

[2:58:50] Voice 10: oh okay all

[2:59:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): right you got that is there a second second second by peter oh remind me what section

[2:59:14] Voice 18: so section 21 is about the written request to appear before my local trust committee this is

[2:59:21] Voice 16: is for delegations yes yeah yeah all

[2:59:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): right is there any discussion all the vote all those in

[2:59:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): favor and that's carrie any other changes to the top

[2:59:33] Voice 10: greatest list or the purchase list

[2:59:39] Voice 10: yes i i i

[2:59:41] Voice 16: remembered we got a letter from uh don dempster asking what did they ask

[2:59:49] Voice 16: from the last resort society and i'm

[2:59:53] Voice 18: just going to say if we're going to talk about this because

[2:59:55] Voice 18: because I'm on the board of the Last Resort Society.

[2:59:58] Voice 18: I'm gonna, if you.

[3:00:00] Voice 18: want to talk about that i'm just going to recuse myself

[3:00:02] Voice 6: um

[3:00:03] Voice 18: because i'm going to actually recuse

[3:00:04] Voice 18: myself from their discussion and and the local trust committee discussion just be in abundance

[3:00:11] Voice 18: of caution so i will just leave the room and you can can

[3:00:13] Voice 16: you remind us when you ask us

[3:00:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right we'll wave you out the door i'll

[3:00:21] Voice 17: i'll i'll be out here somewhere you can give me a

[3:00:24] Voice 17: out or come over so just uh i

[3:00:26] Voice 17: think we're almost done with the meeting too so we're very close

[3:00:29] Voice 17: okay so

[3:00:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): catherine um tim recused himself for this next discussion

[3:00:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right yeah he's left the room that's correct yeah

[3:00:40] Voice 3: essentially um this building

[3:00:44] Voice 3: is the zoning on this property um lists a health center as a very specific allowed use

[3:00:52] Voice 3: but health center doesn't include renting out space for community use and there's no

[3:01:00] Voice 3: use in the zone that allows for renting out space for community use so they the

[3:01:06] Voice 3: monsters art society had approached me and said what do we do and i guess and one of their options

[3:01:13] Voice 3: is to rezone the property however there there's actually no property on musketeer that is zoned

[3:01:21] Voice 3: for community use there's no zones that allow it there's no yeah so that means that there's

[3:01:28] Voice 3: actually several properties that are not compliant with current zoning because they are community uses

[3:01:34] Voice 3: so um one of the things that i suggested could happen is that as the ltc reviews their ocp and

[3:01:41] Voice 3: LUB that they actually reconsider that aspect of zoning and in particular the LUB. The OCP project

[3:01:52] Voice 3: is supposed to start with the OCP and then move on to the LUB and so they are requesting that the

[3:02:00] Voice 3: LTC add consideration of community uses to their project to their OCP LUB project as

[3:02:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): in general

[3:02:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): rather than the OCP project is on its way already so we'd have to add specifically

[3:02:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): that to the project and then a second would be to put the LEB on the project do you have the

[3:02:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): LEB is

[3:02:26] Voice 3: in the project it's part of

[3:02:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): it it's part

[3:02:29] Voice 3: of the phase two kind of thing yeah it is

[3:02:32] Voice 3: take care of

[3:02:37] Voice 4: it yeah what

[3:02:38] Voice 16: would you like to do here well I think it's a good idea to do that

[3:02:42] Voice 16: I mean, the arts center, this

[3:02:44] Voice 16: building, the community hall,

[3:02:47] Voice 16: are the public buildings, and that's all I can think of at the moment.

[3:02:52] Voice 16: I mean, if a school was used that way, yeah.

[3:02:54] Voice 16: Yeah.

[3:02:55] Voice 16: This building, it tends to be used because it's heated,

[3:02:59] Voice 16: and there's massive electricity for lighting.

[3:03:02] Voice 16: And not only that, but the policy now is that anyone who's a member

[3:03:07] Voice 16: of the Last Resort Society gets to use the meeting for public

[3:03:11] Voice 16: or health purposes generally without paying rent.

[3:03:17] Voice 16: So they don't really rent, they might rent the room,

[3:03:21] Voice 16: sometimes it is used by community.

[3:03:23] Voice 16: And it's in a very general sense,

[3:03:26] Voice 16: healthy communities, healthy, you know,

[3:03:32] Voice 16: it's the most convenient room.

[3:03:34] Voice 16: Art center, you've got to light a heater

[3:03:36] Voice 16: and you've got to start the generator to light.

[3:03:38] Voice 16: light

[3:03:38] Voice 10: the

[3:03:40] Voice 16: community hall is cold it's got electricity but it's cold

[3:03:45] Voice 16: so i think it's a great idea oh yeah i hadn't clouded that once i got the letter

[3:03:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): we always have these anomalies on all of

[3:03:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): our items zoning effects um is there a suggested motion um

[3:04:02] Voice 3: well mr dempster's email actually includes a recommended motion i think but i don't have

[3:04:09] Voice 3: have access to it at the moment.

[3:04:10] Voice 10: Okay, I do. I think I should have. Okay. I'm sure I forgot

[3:04:29] Voice 10: totally about it. I don't know if it's there. You've

[3:04:48] Voice 16: decided to accept one of the recommendations

[3:04:51] Voice 16: ask the LTC to consider amending their land use by law by adding a new zoning designation that

[3:04:58] Voice 16: would that would allow community uses more broadly for properties like the one that the

[3:05:03] Voice 16: Jewish Fishing Center is located on. There are currently no properties zoned for community use

[3:05:08] Voice 16: on the ski so there may be other properties with the benefit this is an interesting question

[3:05:14] Voice 16: because he's talking about properties rather than buildings and there are sites well i guess the

[3:05:20] Voice 16: park sweetie bay park it's inherently resolved because it's provincial land it's public space and

[3:05:28] Voice 16: public events can place it can happen there but there have been other places where picnics have

[3:05:39] Voice 16: as well as properties

[3:05:40] Voice 3: is that yeah we don't typically zone individual buildings we zone

[3:05:46] Voice 3: a whole property oh yeah yeah yeah can

[3:05:49] Voice 16: you you can't take emails right now i can't

[3:05:52] Voice 16: email this to to the ltc uh well

[3:05:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): we just need to formulate a motion yeah well

[3:06:00] Voice 16: ask the ltc to

[3:06:01] Voice 16: consider amending their land use by law by adding a new zoning designation that would allow community

[3:06:06] Voice 16: are used more broadly properties like the one that they do especially so we just can't formulate

[3:06:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): kind of motion from now yeah so the local trust committee amend its project or or add to its

[3:06:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): project yeah

[3:06:24] Voice 12: so um okay

[3:06:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): catherine we're trying to formulate a

[3:06:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): resolution here on the fly heather's

[3:06:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to try formulating one the

[3:06:44] Voice 12: ltc add amendment of the land use bylaw to the ocp and land use by

[3:06:56] Voice 12: law project by

[3:07:00] Voice 3: adding a new zoning designation that would allow community uses more broadly

[3:07:15] Voice 10: i think that would do it all right you can read that back when you've captured

[3:07:23] Voice 2: that can you repeat

[3:07:26] Voice 2: Pete, the last, by adding a community.

[3:07:30] Voice 3: Adding a new zoning designation that would allow community uses more broadly.

[3:07:48] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:07:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): So you're making, the motion's being made by Peter Johnson, and I'm seconding it.

[3:07:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there any discussion?

[3:08:02] Voice 16: My only question is that the schoolyard is used publicly.

[3:08:07] Voice 16: That would be one of the things.

[3:08:08] Voice 16: I think right

[3:08:10] Voice 16: now

[3:08:11] Voice 3: we're just adding the consideration to project and

[3:08:15] Voice 16: so it could

[3:08:15] Voice 16: so you'd be yeah you're

[3:08:17] Voice 3: considering whatever whatever properties might be appropriate for that

[3:08:21] Voice 3: I

[3:08:23] Voice 16: just want the outline of something that we discussed later yeah no I

[3:08:27] Voice 16: think we should add

[3:08:27] Voice 16: it for sure all

[3:08:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): right so if there's no more discussion I'll call the vote all those in favor

[3:08:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that's carried should we let Tim back in

[3:08:38] Voice 4: we're gonna go find tim we can tell him what we decided

[3:08:43] Voice 4: well he'll i guess he'll yeah it's

[3:08:46] Voice 16: interesting question because the property next to the school

[3:08:49] Voice 16: used to have an ultimate field on it and then a little too old golf course

[3:08:55] Voice 16: and welcome back

[3:08:57] Voice 16: another private piece up here has a public sauna at least weekly

[3:09:02] Voice 16: Great.

[3:09:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): Are there any other actions in for the top priorities or project

[3:09:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): list? That means, well, we'll have upcoming meetings, then

[3:09:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're going to attempt a closed meeting motion. So their next

[3:09:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): meeting is until August 29.

[3:09:30] Voice 16: And that's the last meeting. This

[3:09:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): term, I suppose. Yes. All right. With that, we're going to try a

[3:09:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): closed me i've

[3:09:41] Voice 18: got i've got

[3:09:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): oh we've got one

[3:09:42] Voice 18: catherine was going to

[3:09:44] Voice 17: look up and

[3:09:45] Voice 18: send me the

[3:09:45] Voice 18: citation all

[3:09:46] Voice 17: right go for it so

[3:09:48] Voice 18: i move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance

[3:09:50] Voice 18: with the community charter part four division three section 91 d and m for the purpose of

[3:09:56] Voice 18: considering d adoption of in-camera minutes uh no oh no that's actually not the right one dang

[3:10:03] Voice 18: i wish i'd read that more carefully before okay it was for the purpose of discussing a

[3:10:11] Voice 18: an individual it's also a about a piece of allen's trust equipment it is but

[3:10:21] Voice 18: i think that

[3:10:22] Voice 18: what's

[3:10:22] Voice 3: i think yeah it's about it's a personality it's possibly a good personality for people or

[3:10:27] Voice 3: I don't go with that, but I don't know what that phrase is.

[3:10:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): You just have to Google Local Government Act closed meetings.

[3:10:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is it community charter?

[3:10:41] Voice 4: It's a community charter, yeah.

[3:10:42] Voice 4: Community charter closed meetings.

[3:10:45] Voice 4: Then you get the list.

[3:10:46] Voice 4: Are you doing that, Tim?

[3:10:47] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:10:47] Voice 7: Okay.

[3:10:49] Voice 9: Did I shift?

[3:10:51] Voice 9: And then you...

[3:10:53] Voice 9: See all of them?

[3:10:55] Voice 9: I don't know.

[3:10:56] Voice 9: Right there.

[3:10:56] Voice 9: it should give you reasons for closed meetings

[3:11:00] Voice 10: and then requirements

[3:11:07] Voice 9: it should have had

[3:11:09] Voice 4: all the letters there

[3:11:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): there you go so that's the letters okay it's probably

[3:11:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to be then

[3:11:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): a a

[3:11:18] Voice 18: yeah a person who called her the officer employee i think that would probably

[3:11:25] Voice 18: be the one then okay all right all right so i'll go back or

[3:11:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): b or a

[3:11:32] Voice 18: if you want to cover yourself

[3:11:33] Voice 18: okay so i'll move that the meeting be closed to the public and the courts committee charter

[3:11:37] Voice 19: part four division three section 90 uh

[3:11:45] Voice 10: one a yeah no it's not b it's just just definitely a

[3:11:55] Voice 4: yeah so read a uh

[3:11:57] Voice 18: a sorry a personal information about an identifiable individual

[3:12:02] Voice 18: individual holds or is being considered for a position as an officer, employee, or agent

[3:12:08] Voice 18: of the municipality or another position

[3:12:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): appointed by the municipality.

[3:12:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): And that staff be instructed to remain.

[3:12:18] Voice 19: And that the reporter and staff attend the meeting.

[3:12:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes.

[3:12:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right.

[3:12:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there a second?

[3:12:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'll second it.

[3:12:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): Seconded by Peter.

[3:12:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): All those in favor?

[3:12:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): And that's carried.

[3:12:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right.

[3:12:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're going to be going into a closed meeting and close the door we'll adjourn and then we'll report

[3:12:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh any any uh rise report the next meeting so thank you

[3:12:42] Voice 9: i'm gonna just stop recording