Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 28, 2022

[0:00:23] Voice 8: So that's going, I should say, there it is, being live streamed.

[0:00:31] Voice 8: Hello.

[0:00:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay.

[0:00:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Are you ready?

[0:00:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And Catherine, you're ready?

[0:00:45] Voice 2: Yep.

[0:00:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Good.

[0:00:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Just

[0:00:53] Voice 8: pull up my agenda.

[0:01:28] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:01:36] Voice 8: Then let's begin.

[0:01:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Good morning, everyone.

[0:01:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): This is the July 28th meeting of the Gabriel Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Thank you everyone who's here and if anybody's watching, I'll talk about that in a moment.

[0:01:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): We're very pleased and privileged to be meeting in the traditional territories of the Coast

[0:01:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Salish peoples and in particular, of course, with Gabriel Island, the Stunamik First Nation

[0:02:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and the peoples whose traditional lands this is,

[0:02:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and who have lived in this area for millennium,

[0:02:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): lived, worked, played, hunted, gathered.

[0:02:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I had the pleasure,

[0:02:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I haven't traveled across in my own boat

[0:02:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): from the mainland for many years,

[0:02:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and I did it yesterday,

[0:02:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and it's quite a remarkable journey

[0:02:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): as you think of the people who have crossed

[0:02:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in their various festivals over the years and their news it was great it was great to be out

[0:02:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on the water uh so i'm very pleased to be here i usually ask whether either of the trustees would

[0:02:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): like to make any specific acknowledgement before we start reading i don't know if we do or not

[0:02:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh sure i'm uh honored and grateful to be like which is twin beaches or gabriel sands

[0:02:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and i always thank geraldine nansen for the place name and gary elder gary nansen for the

[0:03:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): pronunciation thank you trustee i guess and i fully appreciate the fact that i have been able

[0:03:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to live so long on the territory of this name impersonation treat the lands the way they have

[0:03:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): right um so thank you this is uh uh just a little bit of an introduction we are

[0:03:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): having a what i call a partially hybrid meeting uh they're not

[0:03:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): completely hybrid because we don't

[0:03:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): have full interactivity with with members of the community uh which would be an ideal scenario

[0:03:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): however uh we are here in person in the in the um gabriel arts and heritage center uh and there are

[0:03:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): one two three seven members of the community here with us as well as director craig who you'll hear

[0:03:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): from in a bit and um we also are live streaming this and i always have to qualify when i say live

[0:03:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): live streaming is that it's not entirely live.

[0:03:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I know there's about a 25 second delay between the actual,

[0:04:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): what's happening live at the presentation.

[0:04:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): As well, it will be recorded.

[0:04:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): We have a camera and you will be seeing us on the camera

[0:04:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for the most part during the course of the day.

[0:04:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And we are also, so we're recording this

[0:04:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and it will be on the website for the Islands Trust

[0:04:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): trust in a couple of days we go back to the notice of this particular meeting there will be a a button

[0:04:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to allow you to record so um that's our our process for today and we will be working our way through

[0:04:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the agenda I'm very pleased to be back with Gabriel again I uh was absent for the meeting in

[0:04:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): June and it felt odd that I as I was reading the minutes that I wasn't here I was going I don't

[0:04:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): remember some of that although i watched some of it online but um i'm pleased to be back here again

[0:04:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and uh as we continue on our work for this term as we're drawing near to the end of the term um so

[0:05:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): with that i'll just start the meeting and uh ask trustees uh whether there's any changes or

[0:05:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): amendments to the uh the agenda just before we do that i'm just going to say thank you i see most of

[0:05:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to people in the meeting or wearing masks i will be wearing mine when i'm not speaking but i found

[0:05:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that with the reporting that people can't hear if i'm wearing a mask very well so i take it off when

[0:05:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'm speaking and then put it back on um and thank you for the rest of you for for doing that as we

[0:05:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): all know that coping is still very much with us um any changes to the agenda trustee landry i

[0:05:36] Voice 7: wondered about the heritage commission memorandum and these delegations

[0:05:40] Voice 8: that they got disconnected

[0:05:46] Voice 8: i

[0:05:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i i i thought the

[0:05:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): same thing i didn't know what trustee colder but it didn't make the last sense

[0:05:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to work our way through them in random until we'd either heard from the delegations or understood

[0:05:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and then we could talk about that so i does anybody hear from those delegates i don't see

[0:06:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the only one i know is mr bulett um and i don't see him but are there other peoples that are on

[0:06:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): our list of delegates around that issue uh so why don't we it's listed at 12 o'clock

[0:06:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): why don't we move that memorandum i think we're going to get there earlier so if you're watching

[0:06:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on live stream you should get here um because we don't want to uh miss your opportunity we'll try

[0:06:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and move over things uh but um the uh why don't we uh move the memorandum uh which is 7.2 and page

[0:06:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): 13 of the agenda to uh maybe right after the delegations if that makes i think that makes

[0:06:40] Voice 1: make

[0:06:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sense okay anything else in

[0:06:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): terms of the agenda 12.2 the new business that's the emergency

[0:06:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): response planning potential ambulance service i'm just wondering if anyone from the ambulance

[0:06:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): service has joined us not yet not

[0:06:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yet it's getting

[0:06:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a hard one to schedule because we kind of need

[0:06:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): their input i know director craig is here to speak to that as well or speak about that right

[0:07:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but if we don't have ambulance service or fire chiefs and we'll maybe hold off on that

[0:07:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So my intention, just so everybody knows, normally we work through and we get the community conversation in the town hall, but my intention is, as we get to those three items under the new business, is if it's okay with trustees to engage with members of the community throughout those, because those all sound like community discussions.

[0:07:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): are you okay with that trust me guys so that would be the conservation area the herbicides

[0:07:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and the emergency response so if there is any opportunity people can talk to those there sure

[0:07:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um and so i'll i'll keep an eye on the participants but nobody showed up yet okay okay i should

[0:07:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): introduce i'm sorry i forgot to introduce our staff uh many of you will know that our planner

[0:07:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Island Planner Sonia Zubanich.

[0:07:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): We also have...

[0:07:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): There's Sonia.

[0:07:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): We also have Anthony Fotino with us.

[0:08:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Anthony, he's going to be speaking to one of the reports.

[0:08:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And we also have our reporter today, I don't know, is Catherine...

[0:08:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Is it Vogue?

[0:08:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Vote?

[0:08:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm sorry, Catherine.

[0:08:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Vote.

[0:08:16] Voice 5: Vote.

[0:08:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Vote.

[0:08:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Thank you, Catherine, and nice to see you.

[0:08:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay, so we'll, and you, as I said, as Catherine, Catherine's joining us online rather than

[0:08:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in person, so if there's any time you need us to slow down or repeat something, please

[0:08:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just either put your hand up or just speak up, okay?

[0:08:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Thank you very much.

[0:08:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So that's who's with us online, and we may be joined by some other folk as we go through.

[0:08:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so with the one change where we're moving um 7.2 to after the delegations

[0:08:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh we will uh take the agenda adopted as amended uh so the first thing on the uh the real i don't

[0:09:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): have a rising report i don't think you went in camera in june in june um so we don't have a

[0:09:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): rising report uh so the next first item up is the trustee reports and i'm going to turn to

[0:09:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): trustee fulgerson and then i'll turn to trustee langris and then i'll ask director craig

[0:09:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): or myself and then directly okay great so uh reporting back from trust council um we had a

[0:09:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): online meeting um at the end of june there and i was very happy to see the motion

[0:09:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that i put forward with paul brent got over 20 votes to have the islands trust go over

[0:09:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): initial review so please didn't get those letters into athens and the province of british columbia

[0:09:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to have a look at the island's trust and we're just up to date with how we do this work um and

[0:09:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i was very honored and grateful to meet with um chief counsel and their staff wonderful meeting

[0:09:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): with them and a lot of good discussions and they expressed to me that

[0:09:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): their elders have said that

[0:10:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): they no longer want to repatriate the remains of loved ones and remove them from the island they

[0:10:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): want to find a home for their loved ones and remains of ancestors here so i was very honored

[0:10:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this year that was me and that's good has been guiding my work and our work i think and as we

[0:10:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): all learned together and um this morning actually in 20 minutes so they will be signing a so and

[0:10:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): they expressed their gratitude to the local trust committee for our role in bringing box so that uh

[0:10:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that protocol has been signed in the next 15 minutes

[0:10:33] Voice 8: so

[0:10:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a couple updates there and um yeah

[0:10:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i think that's it okay thanks very much uh trustee londres maybe take your if you could

[0:10:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i i just noticed and i'm actually just going to go and adjust the camera because i see we're on

[0:10:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a bit of an angle i'm just going to do that side down whether that way does that make it better or

[0:10:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): worse of course uh it's worse a little more now you got it no the other way yeah there it is

[0:11:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's like we're on your boat

[0:11:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there's no swell

[0:11:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's moderately better

[0:11:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): now your face is in it

[0:11:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sorry about that

[0:11:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we'll do it

[0:11:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): technology

[0:11:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's what happens when you're off sea now

[0:11:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's still crooked

[0:11:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's still quite crooked

[0:11:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): if

[0:11:32] Voice 7: I was to put something under here

[0:11:34] Voice 7: would that do it

[0:11:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, okay, or

[0:11:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we could just extend that leg a little bit actually.

[0:11:41] Voice 7: Well, I'm going to put something like this.

[0:11:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay, so trustee Langer, well, maybe if you just bear with us online we're going to just put, we're just going to see if we can get something to make this a little bit better.

[0:12:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah that's good

[0:12:02] Voice 8: you got it thanks

[0:12:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): multi-skilled

[0:12:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): trustee lagra over here

[0:12:17] Voice 7: yeah um myself from the trust council meeting of course it's

[0:12:21] Voice 7: their motion to review the trust act to the court which is great and also we also established a

[0:12:29] Voice 7: the Standing Governance Committee, which

[0:12:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it has its inaugural meeting tomorrow from 12 to 3, so that'll be, I think the two, those two items will prove beneficial to the Islands Trust as a whole, and Trust Council.

[0:12:48] Voice 7: Globally, we did a site visit on the old gravel pit.

[0:12:58] Voice 7: They're hoping that the province will be amenable to potentially rezoning it and to include

[0:13:06] a clean burial site on the property.

[0:13:09] There is an area there where it's fairly open, where it could

[0:13:11] Voice 7: physically be placed without

[0:13:13] Voice 7: disturbing the forest too much.

[0:13:16] Voice 7: So that will be coming up, hopefully, in the next while.

[0:13:20] Voice 7: Well, Trust Programs Committee, I'll let Dan talk about that too.

[0:13:26] We had a meeting in July the 8th, and we've got another one in August of 26,

[0:13:29] the follow-up to the July 8th meeting, and that's over the Trust Policy Statement

[0:13:33] and any potential recommendations

[0:13:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): from the committee to Trust Council in September,

[0:13:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so that will be coming up.

[0:13:40] Voice 7: We also met with the two people related to the National Marine Conservation Area Reserve,

[0:13:48] Voice 7: the new federal proposal that's coming forward.

[0:13:51] Voice 7: We had a presentation in June, Trust Council, and a follow-up, but I had a discussion with James, Gordon, from Parts Canada, and with Wiggy Chapman, who's involved with the shorekeepers.

[0:14:05] And they're very supportive of extending the marine area to the northern part of the Adriatic shore, up to San Juan.

[0:14:13] In fact, when I was

[0:14:15] Voice 7: talking to somebody else, they said that in the one area there, Sandwell Park, they actually discovered a traditional, not traditional, I lost the word, but eelgrass

[0:14:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's natural, not the Japanese eelgrass that predominates in a lot of areas.

[0:14:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So there's

[0:14:36] Voice 7: some areas that we do need to be protected, and hopefully, and this is with the GAFA involvement, that the area can be extended out far enough to approach along there the potential fly-by conditions.

[0:14:52] Voice 7: There will be a consultation coming in mid-September, I believe, and they hope to have a report in early in the new year.

[0:15:01] And we're at the

[0:15:02] Voice 7: feasibility stage of the study.

[0:15:04] Voice 7: And so that's the boundaries are not fixed as yet, so our side of the rule wouldn't affect

[0:15:14] Voice 7: the nine more harder to what's out of the way.

[0:15:18] Voice 7: And the other interesting part is they just discovered that the big bite in one area.

[0:15:22] We say something for the Department of National Defense is not nice or not has no interest

[0:15:29] in that no involvement in the area.

[0:15:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So potentially

[0:15:32] Voice 7: filling in that one big gap, you

[0:15:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): have to look at

[0:15:34] Voice 7: the map and understand

[0:15:35] Voice 7: what I'm saying.

[0:15:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Anyway,

[0:15:36] Voice 7: maybe an extension. I think this is really potential for that if we will soon.

[0:15:42] Voice 7: Some of the big questions, of course, is what happens to our bylaw authority?

[0:15:48] Because

[0:15:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in establishing this reserve, it would mean that the province gives up its right to the seabed.

[0:15:57] Voice 8: Lots and

[0:15:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): lots of things. And First Nations, of course, are heavily involved in this.

[0:16:02] Voice 7: It would be interesting to see what comes out of this consultation.

[0:16:07] They are looking for support for the idea of extending the boundary.

[0:16:12] They would like to hear more.

[0:16:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): They would like to hear more of us, the residents of the area as well, and even

[0:16:19] Voice 7: the news on

[0:16:19] Voice 7: this webinar.

[0:16:22] Voice 8: It needs to be

[0:16:23] Voice 7: an impetus from

[0:16:25] Voice 8: a number of people in order to see what extending the

[0:16:28] Voice 8: boundary is all about.

[0:16:31] That will count Miriam. They have a successful session. They are starting a new session.

[0:16:38] They are looking for a licensed lifeguard. They have found partial coverage, but they do need somebody who is licensed as a lifeguard for their next session, which starts on Sunday.

[0:16:49] so

[0:16:50] Voice 7: if anybody watching or knowing of these places and on the available maybe not able

[0:16:57] Voice 7: they do need some lifeguard supports would be helpful for them i'll leave it at that

[0:17:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): thanks uh for that i'll just um speak a little bit and just it was good to have the national marine

[0:17:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh protection people come and talk i mean that's been around for a long time there it sort of had

[0:17:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): been on hiatus but it seems to have and they started it out wrong to be honest they didn't

[0:17:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): have proper consultation with first nations but they seem to have gotten a little traction there

[0:17:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): seems to be some commitment so good luck with your with your efforts or the efforts of whoever's

[0:17:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): working on it

[0:17:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to try and get it extended i know that question was asked is why does it stop here

[0:17:42] Voice 8: rather

[0:17:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): than carry on through the rest of uh up to the top of gabriel let's we'll see how that works

[0:17:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so um i wanted to just talk about uh two things well maybe i may end up with more uh one is i'll

[0:17:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just report out for well first of all um i just with the governance committee uh trustee langara

[0:18:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sits on that committee so uh good luck with your discussions related to that uh there was a

[0:18:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): committee struck of seven trustees um who uh will be working towards recon reviewing the governance

[0:18:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): its report and making recommendations about that and a continuation of the committee uh into the

[0:18:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): next term so this is this is intended to be in as a permanent uh new committee for the organization

[0:18:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh what form it will take and what it takes on as its mandate we'll see as we go forward into

[0:18:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh new terms um all three of us sit on the trust programs committee uh and we didn't meet in the

[0:18:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the nine hole um a couple weeks ago now gosh time flies like it was july 7th or 8th something like

[0:18:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that and um we had a full day it was intended to be and it turned out to be a pretty much full day

[0:18:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): working session at least nine to three uh or nine shortly after three uh and it was we had full

[0:19:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): attendance uh some electronically but we had everybody at the committee there and it's a big

[0:19:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): committee it's 11 trustees it's almost half the trust council and we worked our way through the

[0:19:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): trust programs the sort of the trust policy statement amendments that were proposed and

[0:19:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so there's quite a good report on on our um if you go to our either that uh to the trust programs

[0:19:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): committee or to the trust council but i'd go to the trust programs committee there's sort of three

[0:19:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): levels of reporting one is you can find almost every individual's um uh response etc that's

[0:19:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): hundreds of pages there's a report from the consultants which is about 150 pages which

[0:19:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): summarizes all the responses from all the different areas and the and the first nations

[0:19:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of the regional districts and there's a staff report that's about eight pages which summarizes

[0:19:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that and summarizes it down and so if you have if you have time for eight pages that's a good place

[0:20:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to start we worked off and i have to give credit to staff they have been they have sort of succinctly

[0:20:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): summarized the issues as they arose and sort of put a series of questions to the trust programs

[0:20:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): committee and said what do you think about this what do you think about this what do you think

[0:20:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): about this and it incorporated not only first nations responses but and community responses

[0:20:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): But also we had a series of referral responses from regional districts and from own municipality and from other places.

[0:20:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And so we had all these responses and we worked our way through the the issues that had been flagged by by the staff and by the chair of the Trust Programs Committee and made a number of recommendations to staff but also sense of sorry to the

[0:20:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): trust council and then made but also asked staff to go away and do some more work on a number of

[0:20:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): issues uh and come back to us with some either some answers or suggested ways forward with some

[0:20:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): issues that were identified where we couldn't see a clear way forward yet and we are meeting again

[0:21:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in august um the work is continuing at the trust uh we just uh just as an aside if you're interested

[0:21:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it uh they just announced this morning to the trustees and i i assume it's public now it's

[0:21:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): been attached announced all the staff as well hasn't it uh that the new director of planning

[0:21:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): has been hired uh you many of you may know the name david marler who's the director of planning

[0:21:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for a considerable period of time uh he has moved into the legislative manager's office

[0:21:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um as sort of a lateral transfer and the new director of planning has been hired and announced

[0:21:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): was stefan cermak who was the regional planning manager on salt spring he had left the trust

[0:21:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): about six months ago uh and is now coming back as the director of planning that's a big fill um it's

[0:21:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a it's been a it's been an obvious absence of having a director of planning uh so that's that's

[0:21:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um very good news in the sense that we have the position filled and he'll have a challenging time

[0:22:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): again as we continue to roll out our our planning services renewal project uh trying to streamline

[0:22:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and make more efficient our planning services uh so that's a big um a a big uh task um that has

[0:22:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): been completed by the staff and the hiring committee uh one other thing i wanted to uh

[0:22:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just flag if you're you're interested uh as we go through um reporting uh as many some of you

[0:22:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): may know I also chair Galeano and there's an art display slash presentation called the waters we

[0:22:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): call home on Galeano just google it and there's quite a good website where you can go and look

[0:22:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's quite a moving and evocative work that's been done by both Indigenous people on the island

[0:23:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and some of the long-time families on Galeano.

[0:23:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And they had an opening recently that brought in a whole bunch of First Nations

[0:23:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and other people, including Lisa Wilcox, who used to work with us,

[0:23:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and including, I know I always forget his name, Joe.

[0:23:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Harold Joe.

[0:23:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Harold Joe and others that had come in and were invited,

[0:23:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and of course, representatives of the Connecticut Nation, et cetera.

[0:23:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Anyway, if you're interested, it's been some really good work

[0:23:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's been done there uh it's called waters um what else can i report on uh august is a quieter

[0:23:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): month in the trust as it is with most local governments uh so be patient if you have

[0:23:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): questions for the local trust this is the time that when most people most of the local trust

[0:23:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): committees take a hiatus and um and we don't have meetings so that staff can have vacation

[0:23:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and and so just so you know that it is a quieter time of trust and um uh and and it's as it is all

[0:24:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the local governments tend to sort of get to the end of july and don't have another meeting until

[0:24:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the end of august or beginning of september so that everybody can take some off time to just

[0:24:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): be aware of that um i

[0:24:16] Voice 9: think that's my report

[0:24:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so uh i'm going to actually um uh director craig i'm

[0:24:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): going to invite you to come up and and you can take my seat while you make a presentation if

[0:24:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you'd like to you don't have to but you're welcome and uh you can uh we'll turn it over for you for

[0:24:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): your report uh always a pleasure to see you thank you for your work and your support of our work

[0:24:42] Voice 8: thank you i'm getting honest to being on camera

[0:24:45] Voice 8: a

[0:24:45] Voice 5: few years um thank you again for inviting me to participate in this i did email the reports

[0:24:54] Voice 5: late um so i'll just give some highlights one thing i wanted to add is um i mentioned before

[0:24:59] Voice 5: that we're going to be asking Stony Walk if they

[0:25:04] Voice 4: would like to place an art piece at Huxley Park

[0:25:06] Voice 4: and they are

[0:25:06] Voice 5: interested and so we are moving ahead with meetings with them but you know we're kind of

[0:25:11] Voice 5: trying to brainstorm in advance various options that we can suggest the way they'll bring their

[0:25:16] Voice 5: own ideas as well so if anybody if you have any ideas of locations or potential pieces that you

[0:25:24] Voice 4: think might be interesting to discuss I'd be happy to hear we're having a meeting in August.

[0:25:31] Voice 4: Um, the regional parks and trail strategy is nearing completion,

[0:25:34] Voice 5: uh, lots of community

[0:25:36] Voice 5: engagement postponed or paused through COVID.

[0:25:39] Voice 5: Um, so we actually just saw a draft, um, uh, report this week, which I, I sent you the

[0:25:46] Voice 5: link.

[0:25:46] Voice 5: It's too big once I would have emailed it.

[0:25:48] Voice 4: And, um, so it's going to be making its way to the regional parks and trails select committee

[0:25:53] Voice 4: in September.

[0:25:54] Voice 4: So if you have any comments on that, I'd be happy to hear them going into it because,

[0:25:58] Voice 4: that would

[0:26:00] Voice 5: be a significant discussion and then if it's approved it'll go to the board so it would

[0:26:05] Voice 5: be great to get comments from anybody prior to the uh september regional

[0:26:10] Voice 4: parks and trails select

[0:26:11] Voice 4: committee

[0:26:11] Voice 5: um

[0:26:12] Voice 4: i mentioned a few plans we've started budget budget planning uh so some of the parks

[0:26:20] Voice 4: things we're going to be doing some trail

[0:26:23] Voice 5: resurfacing at mount spina an accessible path

[0:26:26] Voice 5: resurfacing at blue heron community park to create an accessible pathway and and i'd like to thank

[0:26:31] Voice 5: galt for really promoting um the

[0:26:34] Voice 4: idea of creating these accessible pathways so we're following them

[0:26:38] Voice 4: up on an as as we can basis we're

[0:26:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): finally going to tackle the joyce lockwood beach access

[0:26:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): improvement we've got some ideas

[0:26:46] Voice 4: so um that's in the budget so it should be going ahead

[0:26:50] Voice 4: head um a long-standing issue is a much island car top boat access issue and they'll be doing

[0:26:56] Voice 4: some preliminary investigations for that next year um significant projects

[0:27:01] Voice 5: the coats marsh

[0:27:02] Voice 5: weir will be reinforced to replace next year i sent

[0:27:04] Voice 4: a i included a

[0:27:05] Voice 5: link to the rfp um which

[0:27:08] Voice 5: is interesting because

[0:27:10] Voice 4: it's it's looking at a range of options and and ecological integrity

[0:27:13] Voice 4: is one of the main things that we're going to be looking for whether or not it makes sense to

[0:27:17] Voice 4: to try and increase

[0:27:18] Voice 5: the size of the weir so that it can maintain the marsh at its current level

[0:27:23] Voice 5: or the level that it was with the beaver dam and then or or keep it at its current level so

[0:27:30] Voice 5: that's an interesting one I'll be looking forward to seeing that I've written another letter to

[0:27:34] Voice 5: Lomti requesting a speed control zone around Huxley Park as well as a crosswalk at the entrance

[0:27:39] Voice 5: so I would encourage anybody who is in agreement that we need that which I think we do to

[0:27:47] Voice 5: email a letter to nikki schneider and angie allwood at 20 and if you cc me then i can track

[0:27:53] Voice 5: the information that's going in and on i know i've

[0:27:56] Voice 5: already received a letter from the rcmp

[0:27:57] Voice 4: but i'll be following them up as well

[0:27:59] Voice 5: um the community health and well-being planner position

[0:28:04] Voice 5: contract feasibility study is continuing so thank you for participating through the process we've

[0:28:10] Voice 5: had two meetings now with the gabriel health and wellness collaborative which um amazingly enough

[0:28:16] Voice 5: enough some people don't still recognize uh or understand what it is which is a group of more

[0:28:22] Voice 5: than 30 community representatives from across gabriel and my gender porcy wide variety of

[0:28:28] Voice 5: groups working towards community wellness from representatives from the health care foundation

[0:28:32] Voice 5: phc emergency responders health care workers school parent advisory committee gabriel there's

[0:28:37] Voice 5: coach council chamber of commerce gabriel

[0:28:39] Voice 4: rec society and and many many others

[0:28:42] Voice 5: including um

[0:28:43] Voice 5: elected representatives.

[0:28:44] Voice 4: So it's an amazing group that are trying to coordinate all of the various

[0:28:50] Voice 4: activities that are happening. And so one of the discussions I've been hearing, and this is why the

[0:28:55] Voice 4: feasibility study was launched, is that this is primarily being done, even those paid representatives

[0:29:04] Voice 4: are doing it as on a volunteer basis. And things like the Gabriel Health Alumnus

[0:29:09] Voice 5: Survey and the

[0:29:11] Voice 5: the recent count or workshop that was held is all done on a volunteer basis so um in terms of

[0:29:17] Voice 5: supporting this group they're they're interested in getting a better understanding of how they

[0:29:23] Voice 5: could be supported through a health and wellness uh position and so this is part of what the

[0:29:29] Voice 5: feasibility study is what would it look like would it be part-time would it be full-time who would be

[0:29:33] Voice 5: the reporting structure so we're going through that and we're expecting a report from the

[0:29:38] Voice 5: consultant in september probably i don't actually have a

[0:29:44] Voice 4: firm timeline on that at the moment um

[0:29:48] Voice 4: one thing i wanted to mention is that we also just

[0:29:50] Voice 5: received an update on the sea level rise

[0:29:52] Voice 5: adaptation and we're playing mapping project and um it's actually had

[0:30:00] Voice 5: significant impacts on some of the Gabriel alleged course the properties for the sea level rise adaptation project and then this is the next phase which was the river floodplain maps which obviously we don't have any big big rivers on on here in our area but it's just kind of this additive additive program where we're getting a better understanding of a potential flooding impacts impacts the flood construction levels and I think

[0:30:30] Voice 5: think that's mostly it so thank you i've

[0:30:34] Voice 7: got a question for you the close marsha proposal i just

[0:30:38] Voice 7: saw it last night it shows three options yeah it's a proposal for the where it becomes worth provide

[0:30:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the three options and they just select an option they're supposed to create an

[0:30:51] Voice 4: assessment of what

[0:30:52] Voice 4: it would three

[0:30:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): different options yes so this

[0:30:56] Voice 5: is this is

[0:30:56] Voice 4: kind of going into the the planning thing

[0:30:59] Voice 4: is that

[0:31:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the staff have identified three options um and then it's supposed to be an analysis of

[0:31:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): what would be required and what would be the cost and benefits of doing those different things and

[0:31:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): then subsequent to that the contract yes

[0:31:13] Voice 8: yeah yeah so this is just

[0:31:15] Voice 8: kind of part of the planning

[0:31:17] Voice 8: process great thank you thanks very much as always very thorough informative uh

[0:31:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the next item on our

[0:31:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): agenda is the uh does anybody have any further first nations reports i know uh trustee over you

[0:31:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): did a little bit in your report something further well i think it's a it's a bit of a discussion

[0:31:44] and

[0:31:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i believe there's some funding uh jillian nickel who's a staff member of the trust and

[0:31:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): programs i believe there's some funding to do a film screening or a film discussion about dust

[0:31:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and bones there is

[0:31:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um dust and bones is harold joe's the director and um it's about uh the how

[0:32:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): how to repatriate the remains of loved ones of first nations on islands within the trust area

[0:32:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so i'm just wondering if the idea has been a bit forward to do a screening an in-person screening

[0:32:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'm not sure how people feel about that kind of thing i think we have to have a decision by the

[0:32:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): end of today whether or not we're going to go ahead with that it's a wonderful film and it's

[0:32:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): really important that as many people watch and discuss as possible i'm

[0:32:27] Voice 1: just not sure about having

[0:32:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): an in-person screening if we have a suitable thing or if it's something we can do online and have a

[0:32:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): discussion. The timeline for it has to be done before September. Yeah, exactly. So it's kind of

[0:32:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a tight timeline and it's been a summer event. I'm just not sure. So within person

[0:32:47] Voice 7: or by Zoom,

[0:32:47] Voice 7: I

[0:32:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): guess. Yeah, yeah. The two that have been held, one was before COVID. I'm going to say Hornby.

[0:32:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and and the plan was denman denman and gabriel although they also did on galeano i think that

[0:33:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): was the first one and there was funding set aside for both denman and for uh gabriola but then

[0:33:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so they really it's the funding's there the process is there if you'd like to do it um i

[0:33:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): didn't sure jillian got in touch with you oh she didn't touch it touched me um so i didn't know

[0:33:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that this was a that you were operating under some deadline i'm not sure why there's a deadline

[0:33:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): oh okay so this is basically if you want to have harold come and mr joe

[0:33:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): general joe come and do it uh then um you need to do it so it's really up to you they did they

[0:33:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): have done a post um post well let's say post coping because we're not post covered but in

[0:33:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the last eight six months or eight months on denman so they found a way to do it

[0:33:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but it's up to you we're having these in-person meetings it's sort of up to you two to just sort

[0:33:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of make that decision um yeah i'm just not sure what venue you have in terms

[0:34:03] Voice 7: of a film screen

[0:34:03] Voice 7: right

[0:34:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so maybe an online

[0:34:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): screening we can it's a 45 minute film watch it together and have a

[0:34:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): discussion with with harold joe remotely if we can i think that would be the best way to do it

[0:34:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and that still promotes it gets out to people watch it on their own time and enjoy the discussion

[0:34:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah the only the only thing i'll say about that is although i guess you'd probably need it's not

[0:34:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's um will you uh players in between involved at all the screening on deadman

[0:34:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): right i'm just wondering if it's online how that gets facilitated you have to figure out how to

[0:34:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): start the zoo and operate it etc um in order to do it that's all but i guess that's workable

[0:34:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay so like should we do you want do you need i we could have a motion to ask our staff to conduct

[0:34:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it as an online event between now and and um the end of august is that what you're thinking yeah

[0:35:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i wouldn't think out of august i i would think september would work better right yeah early

[0:35:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): september i

[0:35:10] Voice 7: guess i think the middle of september

[0:35:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah yeah so i don't think we need a motion i

[0:35:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): think we just reply to jillian and say there's interest in an online event and then we'll go

[0:35:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to the community sure okay uh i'll leave you two to do that as i said i wasn't part of that

[0:35:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): notice but that's fine um anything else from a first nations report uh i'm

[0:35:32] Voice 7: just glad to hear

[0:35:32] Voice 7: about defining yeah

[0:35:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah yeah so we may see that application come back or some form of an

[0:35:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): application come back to the local trust committee um okay so then if there's nothing else related to

[0:35:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that we're going to go to uh the town hall portion of the meeting uh so this is your opportunity by

[0:35:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the way if you're an applicant and i think we have one application on the agenda uh you can wait and

[0:35:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): speak your if you want to speak your application you as the applicant you'll have an opportunity

[0:36:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to speak during your application um but if uh anybody else wants to speak to it they can do

[0:36:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that during the town hall um so this is your opportunity to speak to the local trust committee

[0:36:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and your trustees regarding issues that we are working on

[0:36:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): or that are within our area of jurisdiction

[0:36:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): or that we think we should be working on.

[0:36:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So I have three, I don't recall the rules or requests

[0:36:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and requirements in order to speak to this.

[0:36:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): One is please address your commentary to the trustees,

[0:36:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): not to other members of the community or the staff.

[0:36:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): If you have a question that I need staff to try and answer,

[0:36:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we will direct the question to staff at that point if it's your opportunity to speak about it

[0:36:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): secondly please um speak to issues and not personalities uh i found that occasionally

[0:36:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): not so much on gabriel but some places there's a tendency to characterize people's actions and

[0:36:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to sort of person personify those actions by um uh by rhetoric and uh i'm asking you not

[0:37:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to speak to whatever issue you speak to and thirdly um obviously uh appropriate like as i

[0:37:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): always say use the language that your grandmother would be proud of and that seems to you know

[0:37:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): no and i know what she would think about

[0:37:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): how she would want you to be with her anyway uh uh okay with that i'm gonna open the town

[0:37:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): hall if you could just put your hand up i'll call upon you and if you could just give your name for

[0:37:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the recorder uh and this week yes go ahead

[0:37:41] Voice 5: yeah

[0:37:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um

[0:37:44] Voice 5: my name is margie gilmore hi mark i am going

[0:37:49] Voice 5: to address the issue of what has been called illegal dwellings on the girl which i prefer to

[0:37:57] Voice 5: to call non-compliance. I have been about a 20-year resident of Gabriela. I am a property

[0:38:06] Voice 5: owner here, but for the foreseeable future, I will be a renter. I'm fortunate enough to live

[0:38:14] Voice 5: in a beautiful waterfront home. I've been there eight and a half years. My rent has not changed

[0:38:22] Voice 5: in that time. The new property owners who bought the property in August 2014 are here today.

[0:38:30] Voice 5: They have made substantial improvements to the home. They put in a new well that is pumped into

[0:38:38] Voice 5: cisterns for storage. They put in a brand new septic system. Well, it's not brand new anymore,

[0:38:44] Voice 5: and it's a wonderful comfortable home my roommate who's here beside me our name

[0:38:56] Voice 5: has lived in the home prior to Greg and Sandra purchasing the property

[0:39:03] Voice 5: she's been there for more than 13 years she lives on a limited income and if she were to be

[0:39:12] Voice 5: pushed out of her home. It's doubtful she would find anything on Gagrano. We all know the parental

[0:39:18] Voice 5: situation is dire and probably it would not be affordable. So I don't necessarily want to talk

[0:39:27] Voice 5: about our personal situation. I want to look at the broader issue. We need to talk about

[0:39:36] Voice 5: non-compliant dwellings. Many, many people on Gagrano live in these dwellings currently.

[0:39:42] Voice 5: but they always have the fear of somebody making a complaint anonymously and being evicted and it's

[0:39:51] Voice 5: not a good way to live your life

[0:39:53] Voice 8: um i think that we've had so

[0:39:59] Voice 5: many studies i have some of them here

[0:40:02] Voice 5: about housing we know the situation is dire i sat on the big rola housing society board for

[0:40:08] Voice 5: a number of years. We reviewed all of the studies and many, many people have left the island because

[0:40:17] Voice 5: of lack of suitable rentals. The lack of appropriate and affordable rental dwellings

[0:40:28] Voice 5: affects everyone in this community and people not in this community. The CEO who has just been

[0:40:36] Voice 5: terminated at uc ferries linked a lot of the staff um staff um shortages to a lack of affordable

[0:40:53] Voice 5: housing on the gulf islands and we've been affected quite substantially by that here on

[0:40:59] Voice 5: paperola last week last thursday i had to go to town and the second ferry was cancelled our new

[0:41:09] Voice 5: ferries have a smaller capacity it took me two and a half hours sitting in a hot lineup to get

[0:41:17] Voice 5: back to paperola and for me it was an inconvenience but for a builder friend of mine he was parked

[0:41:24] Voice 5: just ahead of me. He'd run over to get a few things for one of his jobs. It was costing him

[0:41:30] Voice 5: money for every minute that he was sitting in that lab. So it is affecting the cost of items

[0:41:37] Voice 5: on Gabriela. It's affecting people missing appointments with specialists that have been

[0:41:42] Voice 5: set up months in advance. It's affecting our ability to attract new doctors. We have a long,

[0:41:49] Voice 5: long waiting list for doctors on the island and lack of housing for them is not helping

[0:41:56] Voice 5: to recruit new doctors um we have help wanted signs in almost every business on gabriola

[0:42:07] Voice 5: and they cannot get staff because there's nowhere to respond to so that's affecting the services

[0:42:14] Voice 5: that we become used to having the long lineups to go through a checkout at the grocery store

[0:42:20] Voice 5: for example. And, you know, BC Ferries can't operate their schedules if they don't have the

[0:42:29] Voice 5: necessary crew. Our businesses can't operate their businesses if they don't have the necessary

[0:42:34] Voice 5: staff. So it's obvious that we need more affordable rental housing. The BC Housing

[0:42:41] Voice 5: or the Gigarola Housing Society has been working on, as you well know, a proposal to build 24 units

[0:42:49] Voice 5: of affordable rentals thankfully it's passed the hoops with the islands trust and now

[0:42:56] Voice 5: funding is the issue so that's a number of years down the road and we need housing immediately

[0:43:04] Voice 5: um i am suggesting that as the local trust committee you look at the non-compliant dwellings

[0:43:12] Voice 5: where people are already living and look at what other gulf islands are doing to address

[0:43:20] Voice 5: their housing prices so um on february 15th of this year the salt spring island local trust

[0:43:29] Voice 5: committee had a motion put forward to address its housing prices by deferring enforcement of

[0:43:36] Voice 5: of unlawful dwellings.

[0:43:39] Voice 5: I have the resolution here.

[0:43:41] Voice 5: I can read it if you like.

[0:43:42] Voice 5: I'm not sure.

[0:43:44] Voice 5: Okay, so I don't need to read it,

[0:43:46] Voice 5: but it's basically saying that enforcement will be deferred

[0:43:52] Voice 5: provided these dwellings are safe,

[0:43:55] Voice 5: that they're on appropriate septic,

[0:43:57] Voice 5: that they have a water supply,

[0:44:01] Voice 5: that health and safety of residents

[0:44:03] Voice 5: and of neighbors will not be affected,

[0:44:08] Voice 5: no non-permitted campgrounds and that the trust committee may give direction to resume enforcement

[0:44:16] Voice 5: activities on any property that that poses risk to the health and safety of neighboring residents

[0:44:24] Voice 5: that motion was carried during that meeting and i think that the staff immediately began to defer

[0:44:33] Voice 5: for enforcement of complaints about so-called illegal dwellings,

[0:44:38] Voice 5: which I have not turned.

[0:44:40] Voice 5: I've looked at the South and North Pender Island,

[0:44:43] Voice 5: Main Island, Galliano Island bylaws,

[0:44:46] Voice 5: and all of them have provisions for affordable rental housing units

[0:44:51] Voice 5: within existing dwellings.

[0:44:54] Voice 5: And it feels like Gabriela is way behind on this,

[0:44:58] Voice 5: and our rules are unnecessarily restricted.

[0:45:05] Voice 5: And I think that's something that you as the LTC

[0:45:08] Voice 5: could have a look at and maybe make some immediate changes.

[0:45:13] Voice 5: And that would give some breathing room

[0:45:16] Voice 5: for you to look at those bylaws

[0:45:19] Voice 5: that were perhaps drafted at a time

[0:45:22] Voice 5: when the housing situation was not as dire

[0:45:25] Voice 5: and to look at actually making amendments.

[0:45:29] Voice 5: to the bylaw that concerns secondary suits and accessories so thank you that's all i have to say

[0:45:39] Voice 5: thank you very

[0:45:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): much yes go ahead and uh if you're speaking on the same issue

[0:45:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i think we're all quite aware of the yeah

[0:45:49] Voice 5: i'm just going to oh

[0:45:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sure absolutely

[0:45:51] Voice 5: i just

[0:45:52] Voice 5: have

[0:45:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to say we i think we're all

[0:45:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): very abundantly aware of the the issue of housing shortage but

[0:45:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): please go ahead well

[0:45:59] Voice 5: and i would want you to just everything that margie said certainly will support

[0:46:05] Voice 5: um it's just i just wanted to make one thing clear that i think you've had an abundance of

[0:46:12] Voice 5: legal suites being you know people um talking about illegal suites and forcing uh you to um

[0:46:23] Voice 5: investigate sort of things so and i'm not sure why there's probably been more this year than

[0:46:28] Voice 5: and ever. But if there is a motivation to try to get the population down by forcing people

[0:46:34] Voice 5: off the island, I'm just saying, in my case, if I'm homeless, I chose Gabriela. It was 20 years

[0:46:41] Voice 5: when I started looking here. I've been here for over 13 years. There's nothing anywhere else to

[0:46:48] Voice 5: work at. I would not want to go anywhere else. So I'm going to be homeless. If this comes through,

[0:46:53] Voice 5: I'm homeless, but I'm on Gabriel. I'm again part of the group of homeless. So the homeless population will inflate. And you're losing people that do the volunteer work that was mentioned and things like that. That's done by a lot of people who are in rental housing.

[0:47:12] Voice 5: So it's just an exasperation and a pressure that none of us need.

[0:47:19] Voice 5: We're all Gabrielians. I don't care if you own, rent or are homeless, unfortunately.

[0:47:25] Voice 5: And that's a problem for the community to try to solve.

[0:47:28] Voice 5: But as someone who's looking at that as a specter in my future, I'm just saying I'm not going anywhere.

[0:47:36] Voice 5: This is my home. So that's my addition to this.

[0:47:40] Voice 5: thank

[0:47:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you very much someone else wish to speak at town hall yes i see oh hi yes go ahead hi

[0:47:47] Voice 4: um

[0:47:48] Voice 4: my name is tony elliott um

[0:47:51] Voice 5: yeah i'd sort of like to speak to the broader issue

[0:47:54] Voice 5: of the housing options and impacts review project um i'm a member of the housing

[0:48:00] Voice 5: planning commission which to my knowledge has not been dissolved or given any direction to

[0:48:06] Voice 5: to do it since September

[0:48:07] Voice 4: last year, when we were asked for

[0:48:10] Voice 5: input about the Density Donation Outreach

[0:48:13] Voice 4: Program. So the

[0:48:14] Voice 4: results from the housing options impact review program, from all

[0:48:19] Voice 4: the research that we did, the tiny little slice that trustees

[0:48:23] Voice 4: chose to tackle was this Density Donation Outreach Program. And

[0:48:28] Voice 4: so

[0:48:28] Voice 5: I see that it's been removed from the list or recommended to

[0:48:33] Voice 5: remove the list of top priorities um in your agenda package number one and so i was just

[0:48:39] Voice 5: wondering what is the status um of

[0:48:43] Voice 4: that project because a lot of the items

[0:48:47] Voice 5: under your staff

[0:48:49] Voice 5: recommendations or other projects would have fallen under the umbrella of the work that we

[0:48:57] Voice 5: we're supposed to be doing and so anything to do with reviewing the ocp and the mvp

[0:49:02] Voice 5: some of the relationship building was

[0:49:06] Voice 4: familiar some of the really the complex system-wide issues

[0:49:12] Voice 4: that we're engaging um that was what we

[0:49:15] Voice 5: were tasked with um

[0:49:17] Voice 8: you know trying to understand

[0:49:19] Voice 8: and properly solving so i wonder if there's any interest in um asking

[0:49:26] Voice 4: the group to get together

[0:49:28] Voice 4: and seeing if there's anything that could be put together and moved back to the top priority list

[0:49:36] Voice 4: so that we actually have housing affordable housing addressed continuing into the next term

[0:49:41] Voice 4: and that's not just left off and i know there's top priorities on everything and so i don't want

[0:49:49] Voice 4: to just ask to have this favorite project wedged in there it just affects and difficulties so many

[0:49:55] Voice 5: other things

[0:49:56] Voice 5: so how can we keep it sort of top priority and not let it

[0:50:02] Voice 8: be left off

[0:50:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): well that's

[0:50:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): one way is to talk to us about it because we're going to review that staff report when we get to

[0:50:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that on the agenda and at this stage those are simply recommendations from from the staff i think

[0:50:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it was the rpm we drafted that report and about how to rash i think the attempt is to rationalize

[0:50:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): all the various projects and priorities into one place and make it into a um an ocp review issue

[0:50:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but we'll talk about that when we get there and uh and thank you for that and i also know the

[0:50:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): issue of housing density but sort of the density transfer issue is whether where we're at on that

[0:50:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i think needs to be talked about as well

[0:50:48] Voice 5: well sorry just to clarify that was the one single

[0:50:51] Voice 5: single action that trustees decided we could tackle but there's all these other issues that

[0:50:57] Voice 4: we're still dealing with that was part of the research and so I just wonder where where are

[0:51:03] Voice 4: trustees out of that relationship with the app see nothing's been asked of us referred to us

[0:51:08] Voice 4: it's kind of like we're still willing to work and I didn't want to see yeah we

[0:51:14] Voice 4: were just disbanded

[0:51:15] Voice 4: and all that about it

[0:51:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so just for clarity I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you of course

[0:51:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): majority of trustees here did request from the trust council funding for the project for the

[0:51:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): commission and that was turned out by trust council so we had that

[0:51:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): happen but so it wasn't like we didn't do anything but we did try and we it was not trust council

[0:51:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): wouldn't provide funding for that particular aspects but you're absolutely correct the only

[0:51:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): only piece that's been actioned that has been actioned and funded was the density tester so

[0:51:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I don't know if either of the other trustees want to address that particular question or leave it

[0:51:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I I value a chance for like a disposition of Town Hall portion once we've gone through over

[0:52:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Town Hall okay okay trustee do you want us as we go okay okay

[0:52:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh who else would like to

[0:52:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): speak to us during Town Hall hey would you uh as there's some folks there would you like a chair

[0:52:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So, I want to thank the speakers of the town hall, and I did some research as well, and

[0:52:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'd like to put forward something.

[0:52:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It's a motion.

[0:52:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So I'm going to, it's a motion for a standing resolution, I've sent it to my fellow trustees

[0:52:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): here and to kind of Zupanek, maybe to provide to the record taker, I don't have an address

[0:52:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for Catherine.

[0:52:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'll just read it.

[0:52:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's basically taken from work that's already been done on other islands. I move that the

[0:52:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee adopt a standing resolution to state that enforcement

[0:52:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): activities will be deferred for all non-compliant dwellings being used for residential purposes

[0:53:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): until there are safe, secure, and appropriate housing options that are affordable for all

[0:53:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): demographics and household types in perpetuity, except in the following circumstances. A, there

[0:53:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): are concerns regarding health and safety b there are concerns that sewage is not being disposed of

[0:53:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in approved septic or sewage disposal system c there are concerns that septic or sewage disposal

[0:53:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): systems are being used in

[0:53:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): excess of capacity or ability as a result of unlawful violence

[0:53:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): d there are concerns of possible contamination of wells or other drinking water sources

[0:53:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): e unlawful problems about non-compliant drugs by environmental sensitive areas f there are

[0:53:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): other non-permitted

[0:53:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): cameras and she the april island local trust community to give direction

[0:53:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to consumer enforcement activity on any property that poses risks to health and safety of the

[0:53:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): neighboring residents and the residents on the property property question so i'm putting forward

[0:53:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that as a new standing resolution and my hope would be that that would be presented to the

[0:53:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): housing advisory planning commission for input and inclusion of the overall housing project

[0:54:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and i'm hoping that we can bring that back for the september meeting and to have a community

[0:54:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): discussion and a vote on that

[0:54:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): standing resolution here.

[0:54:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It is. It's in an email.

[0:54:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It should be right after Laura's. I got it.

[0:54:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I can resend it.

[0:54:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And is this exactly

[0:54:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the one from Salt Spring?

[0:54:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I've changed a few things.

[0:54:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It's like the Salt Spring one.

[0:54:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I've changed illegal

[0:54:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): or unlawful

[0:54:34] Voice 8: to non-compliant.

[0:54:56] Voice 8: Trustee Laundrie, it's

[0:54:57] Voice 9: basically the same.

[0:55:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and um do you want to did you not get it no are you on the line

[0:55:18] Voice 8: there it is and just a question and as i understand this so we we've

[0:55:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): had some um

[0:55:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): commentary about that we need more housing we need to re-look at the zoning and i frankly

[0:55:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it hasn't been a other than you know we haven't it's been a it's a

[0:55:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): been a broader topic that hasn't focused on specific zoning issues yet about housing unlike

[0:55:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on some of the other islands like that there has been discussions about specific zoning so i'm not

[0:56:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): as familiar as to what's allowed and what's not but what this does is is effectively gives direction

[0:56:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to uh by law enforcement to say don't enforce about about um dwellings and i gather you mean by

[0:56:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): used for residential purposes.

[0:56:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That means long-term rentals as opposed to short-term rentals.

[0:56:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Right.

[0:56:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So the other piece of this is when you're looking at housing options

[0:56:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and stock, what's eating into the long-term rental market,

[0:56:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's not just market real estate sales and that piece of it.

[0:56:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It's short-term vacation rentals and people converting long-term rentals

[0:56:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): into short-term.

[0:56:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And then it's just the lack of new stock being built.

[0:56:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Like we passed the first ever affordable housing application,

[0:56:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but that's still in the funding and planning stages

[0:56:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): as opposed to actually changing the stock of housing options.

[0:56:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So this is about ensuring that we're protecting

[0:56:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the long-term housing that we have.

[0:57:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So this is, I haven't been involved in discussions

[0:57:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in Salt Spring, I've read some of the press coverage.

[0:57:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I know there's not unanimous view

[0:57:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that it's a good way forward,

[0:57:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but this was passed by the World Trust Committee

[0:57:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and that that was an approach taken to try and i don't want to call it a band-aid but at least put

[0:57:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): some some uh stop on any kind of enforcement related to those issues and i i didn't realize

[0:57:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that there was that list of exceptions and which all make a lot of good sense but let me turn to

[0:57:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): trustee langer i can

[0:57:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): see what he'd like to say i want

[0:57:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to take your

[0:57:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): mask off so

[0:57:37] Voice 8: we can hear you

[0:57:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sorry i'm not comfortable with this motion at all you're not

[0:57:41] Voice 7: in perpetuity i mean how do you

[0:57:45] Voice 7: determine

[0:57:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that you know what is in perpetuity for for those safety care housing how do you define

[0:57:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i i know that there was that this issue came up and it was found

[0:57:58] Voice 7: i

[0:57:59] Voice 8: would

[0:58:01] Voice 7: like to actually i would like to take this to the community

[0:58:05] Voice 7: yeah and that

[0:58:06] Voice 7: was that was the second one not

[0:58:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): vote here today i'm not prepared to pass i'm not

[0:58:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): putting for i'm not putting it forward as a resolution today oh i would like to go to the

[0:58:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): half seat and then to the community as well prior to the september meeting so that gives us two

[0:58:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): months oh because it says the doctor standing early yeah this is the drafts of the motion

[0:58:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): based on the salesman event okay so so let me be clear because i had understood that you were

[0:58:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): making the motion and that you were looking for it to be discussed and voted on today but what

[0:58:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you're actually proposing is that we we put the table as motion refer to hapsy for their input

[0:58:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and then come back and consider the actual motion in september yeah okay not just to the housing

[0:58:48] to the public at large because this is brought at me this is a broader question

[0:58:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i think it's a good discussion to have i think it's it's part of the larger discussion around

[0:59:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): housing and then i would also today um because salt spring uh did their proactive enforcement

[0:59:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): announcement gabriel also has proactive enforcement of short-term vacation rentals

[0:59:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so i don't know if we need a motion about i was going to ask staff if we need to do that on an

[0:59:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): annual basis or is this a standard proactive enforcement on short-term education if it's

[0:59:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a standing resolution that extended reputation i believe rsb is okay on proactive enforcement

[0:59:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on uh i think it is too i think we passed a motion like three years ago

[0:59:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): no we're talking about short-term vacation right now um in 2020. yeah and that's that's standing

[0:59:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): right that's still standing out right because we do still get some reports from enforcement on

[1:00:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So maybe a request from by-law compliance and enforcement for an update on active files or something.

[1:00:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, that would be interesting to know what is happening there.

[1:00:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Because I know there's other issues that are surprising, setbacks, et cetera.

[1:00:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I did a search on one service, online service, and there were 37 digital listings.

[1:00:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So there were 42 in 2020, and there were 37 this year.

[1:00:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So that's just one service.

[1:00:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay so um as i understand it this motions you made this motion but you wish to table it until

[1:00:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): september and then refer it to the hapsi and how would you propose to refer to the community at

[1:00:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): large i don't know how you'd like well i'm

[1:00:44] Voice 8: going to distribute it personally

[1:00:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yes emails on the

[1:00:49] website please go because i

[1:00:52] Voice 7: think this is a

[1:00:53] Voice 8: bigger question and yeah i i struggle with this motion

[1:01:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay um so all right so let's um trying to think if i maybe i'll look to the planner if if we want

[1:01:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to table it's probably moved second in that table right is that the way we would proceed yes

[1:01:19] Voice 5: or you

[1:01:20] Voice 5: you can simply add it to the agenda item that's business arising from the minutes and we'll

[1:01:26] Voice 5: attach it in the agenda cover sheet with the wording that's been provided

[1:01:30] Voice 5: all right

[1:01:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so let's let's take this as a draft motion or a draft motion uh has been moved

[1:01:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh and then we'll have a motion to uh bring it back in september and and in the meantime

[1:01:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): time refer it to the hap c for commentary and distribute to the community and ask to be brought

[1:01:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): back on the september i'm not sure what the date is what's the date in september i think the other

[1:01:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): option also is the advisory planning commission yeah we can send it both yeah i think they should

[1:02:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): do it both yeah okay yes that's a great idea okay so then let's catherine i think the main motion

[1:02:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Mayor Mrakas, If I could get Catherine is to is to defer consideration of this motion of the motion from trustee Colbert until September 20 29th meeting and refer it for commentary to the housing advisory planning Commission and the advisory planning Commission and the Community

[1:02:37] Voice 8: general just want to see if you've got that.

[1:02:47] Voice 8: I

[1:02:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): know they're all in I've got uh the Stephen Ball has joined us uh he he said I have nobody

[1:02:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah it's not I just want to make

[1:03:02] Voice 8: sure that we've got the motion appropriately recorded in the

[1:03:04] Voice 8: minutes yes that um

[1:03:10] Voice 2: the motion from trustee to defer to consideration of this motion from trustee

[1:03:21] Voice 2: until September until the September 29th local trust committee meeting um and that the motion

[1:03:30] Voice 2: be referred to the housing advisory planning commission and the advisory planning commission

[1:03:36] Voice 2: and the community in general

[1:03:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yes for commentary for

[1:03:41] Voice 2: commentary and

[1:03:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we'll provide if you haven't

[1:03:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): already got it I don't know if Sonia says she's nodding she's already sent you the motion so that

[1:03:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it could be embedded in the minutes and

[1:03:53] Voice 2: that the motion be embedded or it's

[1:03:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): not part of the motion

[1:03:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'm just suggesting to you that you could have okay in

[1:04:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the minutes that the that the motion

[1:04:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): was

[1:04:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): made and then and then you can go and then it was moved before it was seconded it was the the motion

[1:04:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you just read out was made okay okay

[1:04:12] Voice 2: have

[1:04:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you got that so

[1:04:15] Voice 2: you want you want the entire suggested

[1:04:18] Voice 2: motion in the minutes as a draft embedded okay so

[1:04:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that so that anybody looking at the minutes

[1:04:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): can see what the motion was uh it will also be circulated by trustees um and and then the motion

[1:04:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to defer and to uh refer okay okay got it so you want to make that motion i will okay make the

[1:04:42] Voice 7: motion

[1:04:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): as presented i'll second okay so that's been moved in second i think we've talked about

[1:04:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): do you want to just vote sure um the only question i have is what happens in the meantime um and i

[1:04:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): don't i mean my impression was there's actually bylaw enforcement going on but i don't know that

[1:04:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's the case and i would assume there's been a as as rly mentioned from the notices i've seen

[1:05:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because we don't get the here's the address and here's the infraction we just sort of get a

[1:05:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): general notice that there's a bylaw file being opened there's a significant number that are

[1:05:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um listing rental housing as as the as the desirable number of infractions of complaints

[1:05:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): oh okay um well i'm going to suggest another motion after we deal with this

[1:05:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so that one's been moved in a second you can call a vote on that

[1:05:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): correct and defer refer and defer and refer i'll just call the defer okay so uh all in favor so

[1:05:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that passes so um i'm going to just simply suggest we uh ask staff to bring the motion to the

[1:05:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): attention of the bylaw enforcement folks because my experience is they know that we're working on

[1:05:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): an issue they'll go all right we're going to wait until you finish doing you're working on the issue

[1:06:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): before we we do any proactive enforcement

[1:06:05] Voice 8: um

[1:06:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i don't necessarily want to talk out of camera

[1:06:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): out of camera about specific direction to the by-law enforcement but if we we can make a motion

[1:06:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to refer that motion to the lead i'll second that okay and then that way they'll know mark warren

[1:06:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and his team will know that we're actively considering okay so that's been so catherine

[1:06:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the motion simply is is that uh is that this the motions above be referred to the sorry brought to

[1:06:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the attention of the bylaw enforcement manager you

[1:06:44] Voice 8: get that yeah okay i moved

[1:06:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that that's been

[1:06:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): seconded by trustee colbert uh all in favor so that passes so hopefully that'll deal with both

[1:06:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this short term and then we can consider it in september and there'll be two meetings

[1:06:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and we'll and i don't understand anybody watching and people in the audience here they can

[1:07:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): provide commentary to your trustees about what you think about that concept you could probably

[1:07:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): lead find out more about how it's coming up how it's evolving on salt spring where it originated

[1:07:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um and find out what you need to know we'll probably do that and we'll have that discussion

[1:07:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in september planners would

[1:07:21] Voice 5: you like to encourage the

[1:07:24] Voice 8: ajpc and apc to meet together because there

[1:07:28] Voice 8: are public meetings and i'm not sure what's the benefit to the commissions or the public but

[1:07:36] Voice 8: that's an option i

[1:07:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): don't know enough about their makeup to know whether that's a good idea

[1:07:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that would be 18 people 16 people just from my experience with trust council 26 that's

[1:07:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): somewhat unwieldy for for good discussions um but i think two separate meetings again that

[1:07:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): provides more opportunity people to take part okay anything else before we move on from that

[1:08:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a particular issue uh short-term vacation rentals that is a it's a standing resolution

[1:08:14] Voice 5: thank

[1:08:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you so salt spring just promotes that as the they put a news release saying that they're

[1:08:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): still doing it yeah they did they put it out three days ago saying that i don't know why

[1:08:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): maybe i don't know why and why you would wait till the middle end of july to announce it

[1:08:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it doesn't make any sense

[1:08:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): early summer or something like that yeah well it's not early

[1:08:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): summer anymore we're halfway

[1:08:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): through we're halfway through the summer you've already had eight six

[1:08:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): seven weeks of um anyway it seemed like it seemed like an odd announcement not timing but i i know

[1:08:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i've seen it before i've seen it in years gone by so could i just request that um bylaw compliance

[1:08:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and performance provide us with a report on proactive enforcement at the september meeting

[1:08:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sure we can ask them to come and come to an in-camera or i will depends on what it is if

[1:09:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): if it's just statistics, they can do that with camera.

[1:09:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So you wanna make that motion?

[1:09:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Sure.

[1:09:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I move that LTC requests that bylaw compliance

[1:09:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and enforcement provide an update on proactive enforcement

[1:09:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of short-term vacation rentals in September.

[1:09:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay, let me just make sure Catherine got that.

[1:09:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It's hard, I'm being a little careful

[1:09:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because it's difficult for people online.

[1:09:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Did you get that, Catherine?

[1:09:26] Voice 2: Yes, that the LTC requests that bylaw compliance

[1:09:31] Voice 2: compliance enforcement provide a report on ST,

[1:09:36] Voice 2: is it just as TBR issues for the September,

[1:09:41] Voice 2: next September LTC meeting?

[1:09:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Trusting your language.

[1:09:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): This is for the camera, right?

[1:09:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Well, it depends

[1:09:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): if it's,

[1:09:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): my experience is that they provide statistics publicly,

[1:09:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but if they talk about specific enforcement files,

[1:09:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's in camera.

[1:09:58] Voice 7: Could we also include

[1:10:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that in legal law?

[1:10:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah

[1:10:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um i mean that would be part of that i mean you're talking about separated the numbers but still the

[1:10:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): numbers you could ask for the statistics around complaints around illegal dwellings or non-compliant

[1:10:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um and uh sure because it will amend that motion briefly is

[1:10:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that okay with you

[1:10:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): no sure okay katherine did you get that um the motion would be to request file on whatever you

[1:10:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): call it bylaw enforcement to provide a report to the next thing regarding stvrs and non-compliant

[1:10:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): dwelling complaints

[1:10:45] Voice 8: okay so that's been moved and seconded

[1:10:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): if you've got it catherine i'm going to

[1:10:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): call the vote all in favor that passes unanimously was there anything else at the town hall that you

[1:10:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): more than two times no okay thanks very much and thank you for your uh input and thanks for

[1:11:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): bringing this issue to our attention uh the next thing on the agenda then is our going back to the

[1:11:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): agenda is our local trust committee minutes um i'm sorry i need to go back and find those um i i have

[1:11:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh one amendment to make to it which is on page four of the package catherine if you could make

[1:11:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a note for um uh nadine or do it yourself put in the minutes that uh the second bullet under 3.1

[1:11:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sorry the first bullet it should say rfd not rfp it should be request for decision

[1:11:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): not request for proposal

[1:11:45] Voice 8: if you can see that yeah

[1:11:50] Voice 2: okay

[1:11:51] Voice 8: so that's that should read

[1:11:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): request for

[1:11:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for decision, not request for anything

[1:11:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): from either of the trustees.

[1:12:00] Voice 7: Could you

[1:12:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): take your mask down?

[1:12:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): On

[1:12:03] Voice 7: page five, first bullet says FRP

[1:12:06] Voice 8: to the RFP committee.

[1:12:16] Voice 8: Okay, did you

[1:12:17] Voice 2: get that Catherine?

[1:12:20] Voice 2: Where it says FRP to trust council should read RFP.

[1:12:25] Voice 2: Right, okay.

[1:12:28] Is

[1:12:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that it, anything from your trustee?

[1:12:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): moment then i'll take the minutes uh adopted as a man um and there's no rwms there's no advisory

[1:12:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): planning commission meetings uh first item on the next item on the agenda then is the follow-up

[1:12:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): action list which is a page 11. uh planners lupinich is there anything you wish to bring

[1:12:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to our attention no

[1:12:55] Voice 5: just as a follow-up to the town hall discussion around the density donation

[1:12:59] Voice 5: information that reach program follow-up that's still an outstanding referral to the HAPC we're

[1:13:05] Voice 5: just waiting to have time to actually put together that information package

[1:13:09] Voice 8: to refer to them okay

[1:13:16] Voice 8: um

[1:13:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): anything from trustees related to the follow-up action list trustee look no nobody then we're

[1:13:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): going to go we've moved the Heritage Commission memorandum until after the delegation so the

[1:13:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): first thing on the next thing on the agenda of the page is uh 8.1 which is the staff report on the um

[1:13:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the beef uh development variance permit which is on page 29 of the agenda package let me just find

[1:13:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): out there um and is that you that's you stephen is the staff person that's presenting that so um

[1:13:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): what we'll do is the applicant here and you are hi nice to see you uh so what we'll do is we'll

[1:14:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): get the staff report uh it'll be the this planner ball will give us the staff report we'll ask him

[1:14:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): any questions that we have and then you can ask you if you wish to comment on the staff report

[1:14:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in any way and then we'll discuss it among ourselves so you'll have your opportunity in

[1:14:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just a moment um go ahead and plan thanks

[1:14:20] Voice 1: um hopefully you can hear me okay and here you're

[1:14:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just fine

[1:14:24] Voice 1: great this is an application for a development variance permit to vary the setback

[1:14:30] Voice 1: from a zone boundary in order to permit an existing dwelling and it to facilitate the

[1:14:36] Voice 1: construction of a new deck staff are recommending approval because the structures are permitted in

[1:14:41] Voice 1: both zones the land use by bylaw regulations are otherwise met and the structures are not located

[1:14:47] Voice 1: near adjacent properties so happy to answer any questions that might okay

[1:14:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): thank you for your

[1:14:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): short and synced uh report and uh i read your report but i'll go to trustees and ask if they

[1:15:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): have any questions for the planner actually i do okay this

[1:15:07] Voice 7: is a split phone yeah

[1:15:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so you're

[1:15:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): speaking to mr mr bach not it's not planners infinite it's what it's planning i know so it's

[1:15:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a split zone lot and i understand what happened because the building firms were not being reviewed

[1:15:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): previously when this house was built so it was a split zone lot

[1:15:31] Voice 7: the bylaws say that both lots

[1:15:33] Voice 7: have a density now you've got a house that transits the internal zone how does that impact

[1:15:41] Voice 7: the other block the other portion of the lot is it deemed that the dwelling is on one one portion

[1:15:56] Voice 7: I'm assuming the deck is attached to the house, and the house actually extends over the boundary,

[1:16:03] Voice 7: and so is it deemed to be on one log only, or is it just a technical question,

[1:16:11] Voice 8: and I'm

[1:16:11] Voice 8: not pretty sure about that.

[1:16:14] Voice 1: So yeah, actually it's a good question, I'm actually not sure exactly in this situation,

[1:16:19] Voice 1: I don't know if Sonia has an answer for that, but I believe there would be, yeah, I don't know.

[1:16:27] Voice 1: I guess it sounds like there was two densities potentially, I guess, because if you can have a dwelling on each zone and currently the dwelling is on both, is in both of those sections.

[1:16:39] Voice 1: So it's not an issue at present because there is only one dwelling on the lot, but I don't know in future how that would impact it.

[1:16:50] Voice 1: i'd have to look into that some more it's

[1:16:52] Voice 7: just it's actually for their

[1:16:54] Voice 7: information as well

[1:16:55] Voice 7: because they've got a house that transects or potentially if it was only on one lot

[1:16:59] Voice 7: they could put another density on the other lot or the

[1:17:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): other zone i sort of hit this on the

[1:17:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is that correct is that if it's there's two zones on a lot you can have you can get a separate

[1:17:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): There

[1:17:16] Voice 5: are some strange anomalies with the Landy's bylaw in interpreting the zoning boundary

[1:17:22] Voice 5: as being its own separate lot.

[1:17:25] Voice 5: So there's a specific clause in the Gabriel Landy's bylaw that recognizes that if you have a split zone lot, each zone, the density can be calculated as per that zone's

[1:17:36] Voice 8: regulations.

[1:17:37] Voice 5: regulations but i'm not sure in this case if it meets the minimum parcel size for that

[1:17:43] Voice 5: particular zone in order to enact that well

[1:17:48] Voice 7: but that's correct that has been the first

[1:17:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): size for subdivision yeah so it would only be if they wanted to subdivide but then how

[1:17:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): can you subdivide when there's a house that's transaxle it's

[1:18:00] Voice 7: in that situation

[1:18:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah it's

[1:18:02] Voice 5: on it's unique uh it's not typical it's not something that um if you're redrafting your

[1:18:08] Voice 5: land use by law you would want to seriously look at how that plays out for people who have a split

[1:18:14] Voice 5: zone lot and why that splits only even exists in this thing but i still think that the size of that

[1:18:21] Voice 5: split zone portion of the lot does factor into whether or not any density can be realized because

[1:18:26] Voice 5: you can have fractional splits a lot that could possibly support a dwelling incentive so if you

[1:18:34] Voice 8: don't subdivide that's

[1:18:42] Voice 5: one way we've seen it done in other local trust areas but um we can you know

[1:18:47] Voice 5: the purposes of this dvd you know a 1.5 meter step back to the zone down there that means

[1:18:52] Voice 5: so if you're curious about some of these other ramifications of

[1:18:57] Voice 5: a possible redevelopment of the slot we can look into that and get back to you just to clarify

[1:19:02] Voice 5: there are some nuances to the style that are

[1:19:05] Voice 8: quirky and need to be looked at so if you want

[1:19:11] Voice 8: to spend time doing that we should again but not not within the course of this no no it's just a

[1:19:18] Voice 7: question that arose from when i looked at i mean i don't have an objection to what's being proposed

[1:19:23] but it

[1:19:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): has implications behind doing this and whether it affects the property or change

[1:19:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): change this do you have any questions no it's just it's strange okay um you have a staff report

[1:19:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that recommends granting the variance do you have any comments i don't know if anybody wishes to

[1:19:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): speak uh if there's anything

[1:19:46] Voice 5: you wish to say

[1:19:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah i read it

[1:19:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah we read it so and it's all

[1:19:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in a package so if you don't have anything further as i said the staff is recommending

[1:19:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we approve the TPP so this is your opportunity to speak but otherwise we're going to go and have our

[1:20:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): own discussion and make a decision um so um I'll uh I'll make the motion that the Gable

[1:20:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Analytical Trust Committee approve issuance of GBDP 2022.2 yes is there a second any discussion

[1:20:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): between any other trustees no no this is lines on a map that don't make sense so let's fix them

[1:20:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): thank you okay so unless you have something further all in favor that passes unanimously

[1:20:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it is an odd i've never seen this application but um there are some problems so that's been

[1:20:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): passed and your dvp will issue uh shortly thank you thank you very much um so the next item on

[1:20:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the agenda then is the stock report around the projects list um so i gather that even though

[1:20:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the reports keep coming from the rpm that's uh over to you um yes

[1:21:06] Voice 5: i can try to answer any

[1:21:08] Voice 5: questions that you have in general terms the application or the recommendations are that

[1:21:15] Voice 5: you endorse the top priorities list and projects that are presented for further consideration

[1:21:20] Voice 5: So that the new incoming local trust committee in the fall has a clear sense of what the priorities and actionable items are, should you confer with the regional planning manager's approach.

[1:21:33] Voice 5: And that we request staff to prepare a draft business case for the Gabriel Island Conference at OCB in the next five-month project.

[1:21:42] so that we can meet the

[1:21:44] Voice 5: trust council budget deadlines for reporting back because that's a

[1:21:49] Voice 5: significant potential barrier to successful funding for an important project such as this so

[1:21:55] Voice 5: if

[1:21:58] Voice 8: you have specific questions i will do my best to answer them okay go ahead so the

[1:22:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'm not comfortable

[1:22:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): making this decision today i've done a lot of work still to be done i came up in town hall and

[1:22:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and it referred things to HAPC and the outreach program.

[1:22:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I still have high hopes that we'll have some people signing up for that

[1:22:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): as we get more people knowing about it,

[1:22:21] Voice 8: and the

[1:22:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): summer population is higher,

[1:22:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so we'll be able to get communication on that project

[1:22:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and get some people to protect property

[1:22:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and adding densities in other places potentially.

[1:22:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And I agree with the approach of putting this together.

[1:22:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): What I need to know is,

[1:22:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because we've run into the issue of funding in the budget process,

[1:22:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so when does Trust Council, the Financial Planning Committee,

[1:22:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): need to know what our priority operating projects are so that we're not left out of the budget

[1:22:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): process do

[1:22:54] Voice 5: you mean for submitting a business case yeah so

[1:22:57] Voice 8: that's this fall that's this fall

[1:22:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so if we deferred this decision did as much work as we can over august and most of september and

[1:23:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): have this had this conversation in september 28th would that still allow for that business case to

[1:23:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): be put forward to the new trust council my

[1:23:13] Voice 5: understanding is that's a very tight timeline

[1:23:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I can tell you we have an FPC meeting on August 31st um financial planning committee and that would

[1:23:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): be very unusual we'd have the actual business cases at that stage that would be too now remember

[1:23:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we're under a lot of call it a lot we're under some pressure to sort of get out to the community

[1:23:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the community earlier like there's there's been some um feedback from members of the community

[1:23:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that should be going out and but it's hard to know what to go out with until we have sort of

[1:24:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): some business cases and know what it's looking like but the FPC meeting on financial planning

[1:24:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): committee at August 31st uh would be more about some business like internal business that we're

[1:24:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): doing around our procedures and bylaws uh the next one after that that I have in my agenda and I must

[1:24:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and then i stopped writing them down uh looks like it's on october 12th um so uh it wouldn't

[1:24:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): if you put in a business case uh after our september 28th it would be there it just wouldn't

[1:24:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): have had any analysis from the from the finance staff by the time that you could do it then

[1:24:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in and say, yes, we want an OCP review.

[1:24:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I mean, there's two that are funded right now.

[1:24:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Gambier and Horme are the two that are currently funded.

[1:24:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Am I missing any, Sonia, that you know?

[1:24:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): No.

[1:24:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And then recently endorsed the

[1:25:01] Voice 5: preparation of a business case for their

[1:25:02] Voice 5: Humber and Zoho OCP review.

[1:25:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So you might want to, if you think that's what you want to leave to the next

[1:25:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to LTC as a proposal, and you've said many times you want an OCP, you might want to ask

[1:25:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for a business case about that without necessarily addressing the top priority list.

[1:25:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That's my next question.

[1:25:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So the top three priorities is largely arbitrary.

[1:25:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): We could have four projects on the top priority list, right?

[1:25:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): You know, there's also a discussion going on to try and shrink the number of projects.

[1:25:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Once

[1:25:39] Voice 7: we get the

[1:25:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): projects done, we can shrink them.

[1:25:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Anyway, Trustee Longaris, did you have something?

[1:25:45] Voice 7: I'm trying to follow it.

[1:25:46] Voice 7: I'm not hearing that well.

[1:25:48] Voice 7: Oh, sorry.

[1:25:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm trying to speak loudly.

[1:25:52] Voice 7: So this proposal is to put forward a business case.

[1:25:56] Voice 7: You're suggesting we defer

[1:25:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this decision to all the analysts?

[1:26:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): No, I just need

[1:26:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to know if we need to make it today.

[1:26:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So

[1:26:03] Voice 8: there's two things happening there.

[1:26:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): one is putting a business case to asking staff to put a business date together for

[1:26:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for a um an ocp lub review in the current the next budget cycle the second thing that's happening

[1:26:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): here is as i know the regional planning manager um has done this everywhere trying to rationalize the

[1:26:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): top priorities in the project list and trying to bring it all together and find a way that

[1:26:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that it's easier for both staff and trustees to follow what's being approved and what's not.

[1:26:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So she's suggesting some of the things should be taken off, some of the things shouldn't.

[1:26:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): As I understand you, Trustee Colbert, you're saying, I don't want to make that decision yet,

[1:26:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but you might want to move a motion related to putting together the business.

[1:26:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): You're attracted to the idea of doing OCP, LU, peer.

[1:26:54] Voice 8: So

[1:26:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there's two different things being talked about here.

[1:26:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): He's suggesting we defer the discussion about what the top priorities list looks like, except to decide that we want to put a business case regarding OCP-LU.

[1:27:07] With no scope. Just like a complete

[1:27:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): OCP review with no scope.

[1:27:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It's listed in here with the elements taking the projects, and basically what's presented here would be a business case.

[1:27:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): A lot of these projects are things we've put on going back to 2012, 2013, issues that have existed there, like the steep slope, that became a problem back in 2013, I believe, and then we've got a number of what I would call minor fixes to the OCP and LUB, and then there are some environmental issues in there as well, which are things that I certainly support.

[1:27:59] Voice 8: So I'm not opposed to this

[1:28:04] Voice 7: idea by one question is that we're putting this forward and what

[1:28:10] Voice 7: is the status when

[1:28:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the new trust committee is I don't want to burn them as a model will

[1:28:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Will they have the opportunity to review this and make it their own decision, because it will be a new LTC?

[1:28:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Absolutely,

[1:28:26] Voice 8: they'll make their own decision.

[1:28:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So this is really putting this in the hopper, so to speak, so that if the process starts, the new trust committee will then make the final decision.

[1:28:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Well, they can always

[1:28:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): shut down a project at any time.

[1:28:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): If the new LTC comes along and says, we don't want to do the OCP or LUB review, we want to do something else.

[1:28:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we want to work on housing and housing only or we want to work on

[1:28:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): some other kind of project that they want to work on they can always change the top priority

[1:28:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): project i think that the time the timing issue is trying to get a budget request prepared um

[1:29:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in order to get it into the financial planning committee hopper so it doesn't come in late like

[1:29:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it did in a previous year's budget and therefore there wasn't an opportunity because there's going

[1:29:24] Voice 8: to be other

[1:29:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and and frankly you're absolutely right i mean the what the scope of the um uh

[1:29:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): ocp review is uh defining the project definition phase is going to be an important component of

[1:29:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): what it is and and that's that's taken us that took us six months on here to sort of decide

[1:29:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): which issues well actually to water than that but to which issues to put on the table and

[1:29:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): which ones not because trying to do a fulsome like do everything is too much the other

[1:30:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i have is regarding the estimates that are quoted 50 to 75 000 for two to three years

[1:30:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is that an annual estimate or is that the total estimate for either two or three years

[1:30:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i wouldn't anticipate by that number that it's the total but i could be wrong but you i

[1:30:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): would

[1:30:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): usually see a project charter that would say first you know year one and it will be 25 000

[1:30:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): dollars since the community consultation project definition phase and then year two year three but

[1:30:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and it's interesting because the trust council has not historically provided multi-year budgets

[1:30:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): around things they reconsider them every year and it's probably it's a very awkward way to work

[1:30:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but it's the way they work so so there's two motions as i understand it is i think trustee

[1:30:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): culver you want to defer motion one but you would like to proceed with one or two yeah the only

[1:31:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): issue i have with number two um is that so we've got the housing options work that we that the

[1:31:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): previous term did we kind of did phase two the density outreach project is the one actionable

[1:31:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): piece of that that's continuing but what's lost in this is building on top of that work that's

[1:31:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): already been done phase three for example that's not in the list of projects because it is one of

[1:31:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the primary project so i i just have

[1:31:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): issue with the way this is being presented and one small

[1:31:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): portion of that is is the it's the density outreach piece and then the rest is being lost

[1:31:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i

[1:31:35] Voice 9: agree with you it's not there it's not there

[1:31:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so if you're going to do a comprehensive ocean

[1:31:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): fever leave out affordable housing you're just absolutely so that has to be in the business case

[1:31:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um and that maybe should go to the hapsey as well is what elements from this can be carried

[1:31:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it into or should be harder because they did a lot of work and not research into that exact topic

[1:32:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): well you can make whatever motions you want these are only the staff suggested

[1:32:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i don't have any problem with the first recommendation

[1:32:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's

[1:32:11] Voice 8: gonna it's gonna touch on so many things that we need to deal with okay i'm gonna move

[1:32:20] Voice 8: i'm gonna move to make

[1:32:24] Voice 7: a decision obviously i know that the people and the world trust committee

[1:32:28] Voice 7: may endorse the top priorities list and projects list

[1:32:30] Voice 7: as presented on July 28th, 2022,

[1:32:33] Voice 7: for

[1:32:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): further consideration by the incoming trust committee.

[1:32:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'll second for discussion.

[1:32:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah.

[1:32:39] Voice 8: Okay.

[1:32:39] Voice 8: Mr. Karcher.

[1:32:41] Voice 8: I think

[1:32:42] Voice 7: I said, it is a way of trying to pull together

[1:32:45] Voice 7: an OCP review that addresses the issues

[1:32:48] Voice 7: that have been sitting there for years

[1:32:50] Voice 7: and we

[1:32:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just never get to because other issues come up

[1:32:53] and inside of us.

[1:32:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And we've talked about OCP review

[1:32:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): This is broad enough, I think, that it will capture a lot of the issues that we need to deal with, so I'm supportive of it.

[1:33:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm also supportive of the fact that the next trust committee will make a final decision on this.

[1:33:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): They can always amend it if they so choose.

[1:33:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): But otherwise, we're going to have things like, some stuff that goes back to 2015, encourage

[1:33:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): green and renewable energy, temporary vacation rentals, you've talked about that in renewable

[1:33:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): times, hazardous steel stoves, that was

[1:33:40] Voice 7: an issue, and that's been sitting there.

[1:33:43] Voice 7: We've had issues with the steel slopes, but because of the markings, the way it was done

[1:33:48] was so

[1:33:49] Voice 7: poorly done that you really couldn't

[1:33:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): delineate where the boundaries and i was told

[1:33:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that is like a jagged right on the map which becomes impossible to uh clearly determine

[1:34:09] Voice 8: coastal area protection

[1:34:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that goes back to 2012. i think without it sitting there yeah

[1:34:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): no question about it and and i guess my my question for you is not with number two yet

[1:34:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the second motion but maybe

[1:34:28] Voice 7: yeah no no but i think that this is the way it just pulls together

[1:34:33] Voice 7: the uh all of the whole priorities into a top priority that's an ocp review to look at

[1:34:40] Voice 7: the top priorities then would be

[1:34:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the uh review okay well let's let's go to the dia

[1:35:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah so i'm going to vote against this motion uh there's two reasons one i believe that this leaves

[1:35:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): out the uh the housing work uh and then continuing the sunk costs of what's already been done i think

[1:35:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's a big issue i have real issue with removing the projects uh that this first nations relationship

[1:35:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): relationship and protocol. We received guidance from Lisa Wilcox when she worked for the trust

[1:35:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that keeping those

[1:35:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on the project list is sort of an institutional memory piece.

[1:35:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): This kind of puts forward the idea that a project has to have a measurable result.

[1:35:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I think that's from a staff point of view, but, you know, relationship building with

[1:35:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Sanamo, for example, is something that's a project for the trustees as well. It's not

[1:35:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just a project for the deliverer. So I have an issue with them. Even though they've been

[1:35:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on there for 2015, I think that shows the commitment to do that. So I'm not in favor

[1:35:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we're removing those projects um especially since there's a few projects being removed

[1:35:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and then this loses some of the housing work and so i will not be supporting this motion

[1:36:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we could also put the first nations back into the project list and not remove it right i'm just

[1:36:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): voting against this because it removes it the way that i just don't think this is the way to

[1:36:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the draft of projects but then I amend my motion can I amend my motion and by adding in that we

[1:36:28] do not remove the First Nation particular items

[1:36:33] Voice 8: from the projects list we keep it on the projects

[1:36:37] Voice 8: best and that would be items uh four

[1:36:43] Voice 7: although I think that would be within item four which

[1:36:46] Voice 7: is First Nation cultural references would be within the OCP review naming places etc

[1:37:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So what if we, I mean what I'm hearing from Trustee Colburn is the First Nations piece but he'd also would be reluctant to remove the housing pieces, of which it appears there's only one.

[1:37:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, but that's, it's just, that's the way because the projects have been listed right, the density outreach program is like the one deliverable but that's still part of a larger project.

[1:37:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): project that still exists yeah it does and how does that how does it not appear on our top priority

[1:37:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because that's that's how it's been listed because this is the one deliverable piece of it

[1:37:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): right but this that's the whole problem with doing it this way is that you're leaving out

[1:37:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): an entire body of work from a comprehensive review but what i okay two things i'm sorry i

[1:37:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): don't want to drop the discussion go ahead trust you i was just going to say that add in

[1:38:02] Voice 7: housing into the project into

[1:38:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the uh well that's

[1:38:08] Voice 7: what i was

[1:38:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just thinking is is here's what i'm

[1:38:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): hearing from you guys you two trustees and as i think as i hear the comment from the community

[1:38:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and also planners evidence one is is that there's still a report outstanding regarding

[1:38:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the density outreach program that's most i think i heard the planner say it's coming in september

[1:38:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so why would you take it off your projects list if there's a report that's due

[1:38:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): did i understand you know

[1:38:36] Voice 5: we have a referral to the agency for the distribution of information

[1:38:40] Voice 5: package for people to continue the density so there's

[1:38:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): still some engagement that's black that's

[1:38:47] Voice 5: right and that's a that's a piece

[1:38:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's it's an information package right that's the way that it

[1:38:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sits and keeps some momentum and

[1:38:55] Voice 7: you just need to refer to them

[1:38:59] Voice 8: prior to being finalized for public distribution

[1:39:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so so the recommendation we're moving although i think it's for the next ltc

[1:39:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um it still it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense i guess my sense is two things one is

[1:39:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm hearing some consensus between the two of you that the specific issues around First Nations engagement should probably stay on the projects list as a marker.

[1:39:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And the second thing is that you want the housing component to be included in the OCP review.

[1:39:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm hearing trustee Longer, I'm saying he agrees with that.

[1:39:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And the rest of it is just sort of rationalizing the projects list of that process.

[1:39:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So this

[1:39:46] Voice 7: is supposed to be a complete OCP review?

[1:39:48] Voice 7: it's going to happen well

[1:39:48] Voice 7: you're going to have to

[1:39:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): define um catherine uh can you read me back

[1:39:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the motion and maybe we can amend it to to satisfy when i'm here um

[1:39:59] Voice 2: so what i'm gathering is that the

[1:40:01] Voice 2: motion would read as it was started from trustee langer is that the gabrielle local trust committee

[1:40:08] Voice 2: endorsed the top priorities list and projects list as amended or as presented well that's the thing

[1:40:17] Voice 2: you you want to pass that recommendation but with the

[1:40:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): first motion sorry it's the one that's in the

[1:40:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): package sorry right i apologize

[1:40:24] Voice 2: uh i've got it

[1:40:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): right in front of me it's the it's the first

[1:40:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): recommended motion so yeah

[1:40:30] Voice 2: but but then with the addition of the first nations references items

[1:40:35] Voice 2: four six and eight and the greater housing project well

[1:40:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i think what the language would be

[1:40:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh is that the gabrielle local trust committee endorsed the top priorities list or projects list

[1:40:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): as presented on july 2022 with the exception that the first nations engagement pieces

[1:40:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): be left as projects and that the uh housing that the the um ocplub review include housing options

[1:41:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and considerations something like that housing options and impacts project right it's not the

[1:41:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): project per se this is this is a review right of housing yeah and then the the project itself has

[1:41:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): timelines that that include ocp and lgb amendments as part of what they're looking at right so

[1:41:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So that would be absolutely fine.

[1:41:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So, I mean, generally speaking, is that where you guys, you two trustees, would like to go?

[1:41:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Does that make sense?

[1:41:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And would that get you, Trustee Colburn, to the point where you could support that motion as opposed to putting me in the position of having to decide how I'm going to vote?

[1:41:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, because it basically keeps the list more or less the same, but adds the housing options.

[1:41:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): well

[1:41:58] Voice 1: what it does is it takes all

[1:41:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): those individual pieces that the the rpm has identified that go into

[1:42:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the ocplub review puts them all under that takes them out of the project list and makes them part

[1:42:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of the bigger ocplub right that's what it doesn't rationalize that's what she's that's that's what

[1:42:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the rpm is trying to do we have the housing options and impacts project in its entirety

[1:42:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): instead of just the deliverable piece which will still act on as a priority item then

[1:42:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'm not sure what you mean by what you said that i'm adding a housing option the project

[1:42:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): not as a new project the existing project so the housing options and impact so

[1:42:34] Voice 8: they're going to be

[1:42:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): part of the like that would be part of the ocp review just the project will be part of it

[1:42:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay

[1:42:46] Voice 7: well it's just a question of housing on the island the broader question of

[1:42:52] housing secondary

[1:42:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): swings etc etc no no no no no this is not this is our discussion i'm sorry

[1:43:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): probably could help us a lot but we have to find our own way through this and uh so sorry so some

[1:43:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): clarity you what do you what is it specifically you want i want to ensure that the work that's

[1:43:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): been done over two terms on the housing project is included in a comprehensive review since one

[1:43:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of the deliverables of that project are ocp and lub amendments and then those have been put forward

[1:43:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and gone through a process and i don't want to lose those as part of the report that was produced

[1:43:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): would be provided to that process the entire project the report is part of the project that's

[1:43:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): one piece of it and

[1:43:42] Voice 8: i think i think what trustee

[1:43:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): langaris is concerned is he doesn't necessarily

[1:43:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): necessarily want this to be seen as saying i'm paraphrasing and i'm not saying i agree with him

[1:43:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that he's not necessarily he's saying i don't necessarily want that process as it was envisioned

[1:44:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to be embedded in this in this process and because they had a very specific process online which

[1:44:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you can get funded and had a steering committee and a whole bunch of things that needed to be

[1:44:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): done there were serious right but it's one thing to say we want the recommendations but it's another

[1:44:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): thing to have say that the process of the ambition would be embedded in the ocplb process because

[1:44:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'll be honest this planning staff has not been supported generally speaking except for pieces

[1:44:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um as as with the process that was performed so there's a project and a project scope and a

[1:44:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): project chart that's what i'm talking about including because that's the overall the work

[1:44:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): work results are one piece of it but the project should continue but that's two projects down

[1:44:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we have some staff guidance on how to designate some of this so

[1:44:54] Voice 5: you're posing options and impacts

[1:44:58] Voice 5: for the project charter the original charter not the density donation outreach project

[1:45:04] Voice 5: so we're not talking about the business case that went to trust council we're talking about

[1:45:10] Voice 5: the project charter it had installed elements for

[1:45:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): amendments potential amendments to the ocp and the

[1:45:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): land use bylaw based on very specific review of housing options that included

[1:45:24] Voice 5: development permit

[1:45:26] Voice 5: area for diversity as well as flexibility for different housing tenure and formats so those

[1:45:35] Voice 5: cases would be lost potentially that project charter is a historic document that doesn't

[1:45:42] Voice 5: isn't embedded in this project list so moving forward the new local trust committee would have

[1:45:48] Voice 5: to dig through previous project charters to direct staff to focus on those issues

[1:45:57] Voice 5: versus just inserting housing options review in this list which is not very specific and it puts

[1:46:06] Voice 5: us right back to where we started four years ago review of housing is a general term and you have

[1:46:13] Voice 5: already specified what that should include in terms of balancing the rights nations and

[1:46:19] Voice 5: the environment to ensure equitable housing for all so that hard work's been done and it would

[1:46:25] Voice 5: be that i just haven't essentially lost if it wasn't reinserted into this list the report that

[1:46:32] Voice 7: they produce can be provided to that to be reviewed there are other recommendations in that report

[1:46:43] Voice 7: so that can be provided be part of the information that's being used

[1:46:48] Voice 7: absolutely

[1:46:50] Voice 5: that's historic information or background information that's still relevant

[1:46:54] Voice 5: we're just suggesting that you already have a project charter that identifies very specific

[1:46:58] Voice 5: Just like this project list has very specific actionable items for reviewing elements of

[1:47:06] Voice 5: your OCP policies or regulations that need to be tweaked, so does that target trigger.

[1:47:10] Voice 5: So it might be a very valuable tool to give specific direction because likely the project

[1:47:16] Voice 5: is oversubscribed an OCP LEP review and they're going to have to figure out exactly what that

[1:47:22] Voice 5: ocp that's

[1:47:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we've yet to see one successful comprehensive ocp review that addresses

[1:47:32] everything

[1:47:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's included here that's not happened in the 15 years i've worked for the time

[1:47:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's an element of sections

[1:47:42] Voice 5: of not an entire rate rewrite and

[1:47:46] Voice 7: my my thinking is that

[1:47:48] Voice 7: that report that you know can be included into the package

[1:47:55] Voice 7: and that's what we've received and

[1:47:58] Voice 8: then that this whole computer review

[1:48:00] Voice 7: would then look at this and

[1:48:01] Voice 8: all and all the other factors and

[1:48:04] Voice 5: that's not unlike the coastal zyglitz for protection toolkit

[1:48:09] Voice 5: and all those things but where we have specific direction the project list tries to provide a

[1:48:14] Voice 5: little bit of a succinct description of what the actions are versus refer to this report so we try

[1:48:21] Voice 5: to tease out what is it that you're actually trying to do what's in those resources that has

[1:48:26] Voice 5: garnered public attention, interests, or political attention, interests that you want to advance.

[1:48:34] Voice 5: And that's your chance to influence the next LTC to ensure you understand what the public's interests are,

[1:48:40] Voice 5: you understand what the concerns are, and you want to clearly articulate moving forward

[1:48:45] Voice 5: what you would like that review to focus on because it cannot be a

[1:48:53] Voice 8: broad scope again

[1:48:54] Voice 8: end because nothing ever changes if we don't target specific amendments that's just background

[1:49:01] Voice 8: information that's useful but it doesn't give direction to what you've heard in your four years

[1:49:07] Voice 8: to show that you want to and then to this next ltc project yeah i mean

[1:49:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this is challenging because

[1:49:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i've watched it happen on different islands and i've just seen all the great work that's been

[1:49:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): done on gabriola and it hasn't had a lot of traction um because of funding issues and other

[1:49:32] issues other than density outreach as um as elliot said that

[1:49:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we sort of chose one little actionable

[1:49:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): item and you go was it too big um and you go well it's all necessary i watched what happened on

[1:49:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): main and they took one specific project which was their flex housing project and we were successful

[1:49:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we got it done now it's only for a small may have fairly minor impacts on the community we'll see

[1:50:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): what the uptake is on it um and now they've put on their top priority for next term presuming the

[1:50:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): next trustees to pick it up is there they've got a project they're going to develop what they're

[1:50:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): calling a housing options project and they're going to broaden that and have a broader discussion

[1:50:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Mayor Mrakas, So there are different ways of going at it and I i'm just not sure I am wondering whether you do have this, I think, trustee longer, I was just saying he's a little concerned that if we embed and the housing for coming when it's called the options options index review project, which was on our top priority list as one of our top priorities separate and apart from the OCP lb review proposal.

[1:50:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's what i'm hearing you say no i just wanted to be part of the of the review of the business

[1:50:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but what part of the review do you want it to be a separate project or do you want it to just

[1:50:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the report and the work that was done the report as as trustee vander says it'll be provided to

[1:51:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): them as historical background anyway it's the project charter itself and the project itself

[1:51:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that should be included in in the list of projects for the comprehensive review but

[1:51:13] But the

[1:51:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): recommendations flow from the project charter.

[1:51:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That's why I think they can be included in corporate.

[1:51:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That's a piece of it, but it's not the entirety of it.

[1:51:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): The project and the project charter are what lay out the deliverable pieces of it.

[1:51:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So the amendments, the OCD amendments are part of that charter.

[1:51:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That's in the timeline for 2022.

[1:51:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And there's a bunch of other parts of it.

[1:51:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Right. There's a

[1:51:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): water budget piece.

[1:51:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): There's the Coastal Douglas fir piece.

[1:51:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Those are the toolkits embedded in the project charter itself.

[1:51:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so you're losing elements of that that we've embedded in the project so just just go back

[1:51:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to the project as it's listed as the housing housing options and impacts review project and

[1:51:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): add that to the comprehensive review i still don't understand what you mean to add the

[1:52:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): page 45

[1:52:01] Voice 5: or 46 of the agenda package regional planning manager

[1:52:11] Voice 8: powers prepared this

[1:52:14] Voice 8: table that says the date, the project, the recommended

[1:52:17] Voice 5: category, keep or remove, and rationale.

[1:52:21] Voice 5: So you could theoretically have a new date, 2021 or 2020, whichever date you want to use, because

[1:52:28] Voice 5: that housing element was initiated prior to that, even 2019, and the project would be, that's an

[1:52:37] Voice 5: option since acts in review, that would be the title of the project, the recommended category is

[1:52:41] Voice 5: is OCP and LUV, and keep or remove, keep.

[1:52:45] Voice 5: You're moving it to the top priority list

[1:52:48] Voice 8: under

[1:52:48] Voice 5: comprehensive OCP and LUV,

[1:52:50] Voice 5: and the rationale is, we don't have a long list of rationale,

[1:52:53] Voice 5: the project has been interrupted,

[1:52:56] Voice 5: or it's been, the focus of it has been

[1:52:59] Voice 5: altered significantly to the budget constraints,

[1:53:01] Voice 5: but under the project description,

[1:53:03] Voice 5: you can get as detailed as you want

[1:53:06] Voice 5: in terms of capturing what the objective of that project was,

[1:53:09] Voice 5: was because many of these project descriptions are very specific it's um it's totally appropriate to

[1:53:18] Voice 5: use that block to just identify the scope of that project and list them right there and then so that

[1:53:25] Voice 5: it gets transferred into this comprehensively review

[1:53:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): where are you referring to

[1:53:32] Voice 5: table yeah

[1:53:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's

[1:53:35] Voice 5: been prepared but i think i'm hearing trustee culver and say is that you're literally

[1:53:42] Voice 5: adding just another rule that specifies the housing impacts options and impacts

[1:53:50] repeat project that sells out in scope objectives of that project so that it doesn't get lost and

[1:53:56] it gets included in the ocg

[1:53:59] Voice 8: but there's duplication

[1:54:01] Voice 8: within the school

[1:54:04] Voice 8: any duplication that's

[1:54:07] Voice 8: here

[1:54:11] Voice 8: would be struck

[1:54:12] Voice 8: in

[1:54:12] Voice 7: the scope

[1:54:16] Voice 7: in the scope

[1:54:19] Voice 7: yeah

[1:54:19] Voice 8: those could be struck

[1:54:22] Voice 8: so

[1:54:22] Voice 7: when it's being added

[1:54:23] Voice 8: would you like me to

[1:54:34] Voice 8: pull up the project charter and send it to you

[1:54:36] Voice 5: and then look at it

[1:54:37] Voice 5: yeah that'd be great

[1:54:38] Voice 5: yeah and

[1:54:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so the the issue that i see it is if you have both

[1:54:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): if you have that as a separate piece of the ocpl up review as a i don't know what to call it

[1:54:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): standing alone piece i and i totally agree you don't want to lose the work that's done

[1:54:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there's going to be some tension that i use that word generically between the work of an ocpl up

[1:55:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): review which is staff driven and and um you know consultation driven and done this as a way to

[1:55:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): review the bylaws etc etc and and the work that the that the housing options group that was then

[1:55:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): endorsed by the hapc uh and received by us and the and the process that they were envisioning

[1:55:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of occurring which is quite different than just a simple cpl review it was much broader and if both

[1:55:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): those projects exist there's going to be some tension between them um i'm not saying it's a

[1:55:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): bad thing i'm just saying there will be some tension and how you reconcile that's going to be

[1:55:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the challenge has to happen to me to be able to get some traction and move it forward

[1:55:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so i'm not not saying i'm opposed to either of those things i'm just trying to think a lot about

[1:55:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): how to embed what you want, which is, and I think what members of the ATPC and all that great work

[1:56:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and what they envisioned for work that was being done. And then what the OCPLUV review is, which

[1:56:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is a different process that will engage a broader group than just the housing, uh, ATPC or the

[1:56:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): housing options and impacts group. And, and, and is it, but I'm hearing you say you'd like to keep

[1:56:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): both projects there's only one project what's that housing options and impacts we're talking

[1:56:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): about an ocp lub review well that's but that that project is just it's not in this list

[1:56:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's not it's not captured here at all but it is it's a new one that you're proposing

[1:56:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's exactly what she's proposing taking a whole bunch of elements from the current

[1:56:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): projects list and including them in an ocp and making that your top priority

[1:56:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it so we're going to get the charter for the housing options and impacts review project the

[1:56:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): only part of it that's listed here in this list that we're voting on is the density outreach i

[1:57:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): agree that's not representative of the full world so i

[1:57:06] Voice 5: can't get you the charter because it's no

[1:57:07] Voice 5: longer on the website and i can't access it so it's unbelievable but that's that's what we're

[1:57:16] Voice 5: suggesting is that you your list of the all all the potential ocp and lev review topics that have

[1:57:23] Voice 5: been neatly compressed and proposed exclude certain elements of that project and that

[1:57:31] Voice 5: would be something that you could consider including so we could prepare that for you

[1:57:35] Voice 5: for consideration for the next meeting then right so include

[1:57:40] Voice 5: some of those things that weren't

[1:57:42] Voice 5: included and you can review it at your september meeting

[1:57:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay so i was going to suggest that we

[1:57:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this is an interesting conversation it's an important conversation because it will set

[1:57:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): although it will be up to the next ltc to decide what to do with it um but it is an important

[1:57:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): conversation and it seems to me you were going to suggest originally you weren't comfortable

[1:58:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and you wanted to defer um it seems to me that we might want to table this motion until september

[1:58:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): 28th and out or 29th and ask staff to bring the housing options that impacts

[1:58:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um project charter and elements that are and identify the elements that are missing from

[1:58:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the the table uh that's before us today does that make sense uh i'm turning to trustee langer yeah

[1:58:38] Voice 7: i'd like some clarification as to what exactly is intended because i'm not really

[1:58:42] Voice 7: i sort of see it as two different projects suggested so i'd like to see how it would

[1:58:47] get it incorporated i'm willing

[1:58:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to look at that but then that brings the question of the second

[1:58:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): one the second motion i think you could do that separately anyway well with that so there's no

[1:58:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): scope to that no there is no scope yet but

[1:59:03] Voice 7: is that should we not have a scope to it for all

[1:59:06] Voice 7: cpu reviewers okay let's

[1:59:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): let well look i mean we can have that conversation when we get to it but

[1:59:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it seems to me that that is saying what you're really asking for is to create a business case

[1:59:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): which is different than the project in the project charter or the or the project definition phase um

[1:59:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you just need to get a budget in and and get it prepared and say we want to do an ocp it's going

[1:59:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to include these elements including housing but for the project for the funding element of it

[1:59:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you're not necessarily saying here's the project charter yet no um but you are saying we anticipate

[1:59:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it will be somewhere in this way please finance a full cpl interview uh whatever fool me as opposed

[1:59:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to target it um you know some sometimes you do a target and say we just want to look at

[1:59:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the shorelines so we just want to look at uh

[2:00:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but but sometimes you do a comprehensive i guess so first of all can we agree can we can we agree

[2:00:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to table this and ask staff to bring the housing options impact project charter and identify

[2:00:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): elements missing from the suggested um projects in sorry the suggested elements in the chart given to

[2:00:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): us today okay is that clear enough yeah okay is that just the is that a motion or is that yes

[2:00:34] Voice 1: it's a motion okay

[2:00:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'll second that uh and that way it'll come back on september 29th

[2:00:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and it'll identify as the planner said we'll identify the pieces of the housing

[2:00:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): options impacts charter that's missing from this and then we could have that can carry on with this

[2:00:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): discussion and trustee line brass can say i don't want this piece in or i do want this piece in and

[2:00:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we can talk about it having none of it is what we can correct okay so let's do that so there's

[2:01:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the motion Catherine did you get that okay

[2:01:07] Voice 2: what I thought is

[2:01:09] Voice 2: yes I know it was a long conversation

[2:01:11] Voice 2: that the Gabriola LTC requests that staff review the housing options and impacts review project

[2:01:19] Voice 2: Charter and identify elements that could be included in the OCP LUB project and report to the

[2:01:28] Voice 2: LTC for their upcoming September meeting.

[2:01:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay, and that works other than you need to start by

[2:01:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): saying it's moved that the previous motion we never voted on is tabled

[2:01:41] Voice 2: until

[2:01:42] Voice 8: September 28th.

[2:01:44] Voice 8: and

[2:01:47] Voice 2: when you say the previous motion is that just the first recommended motion not or the first

[2:01:52] Voice 2: that

[2:01:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): was made it was made by trustee langer i seconded by trustee pulver and we didn't vote on

[2:01:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it we've been discussing that okay okay so we tabled that motion until september 28th and then

[2:02:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and then uh and then ask stat it can be a sec and then the rest of the motion reads as you just read

[2:02:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay okay

[2:02:14] Voice 2: sorry

[2:02:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i know that's a little confusing but that's what we would like to see okay so we'll

[2:02:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): call a vote on that all in favor so that passes okay we made our way through that now what about

[2:02:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the second piece of this recommendation so if we vote on this right now would be with that

[2:02:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): draft business case not include the housing options is it only based on the list that's

[2:02:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): provided in this draft that's my question to staff well keep in mind this is a business case

[2:02:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): not a project chart they are different or a project definition it's a business case it sets

[2:02:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): out for the financial planning and the trust council the case for doing you know lubos and

[2:02:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): right it would be a

[2:03:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): regional planning team but in its current configuration with the

[2:03:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): projects all combined into one but leaving out the hot housing option

[2:03:10] Voice 5: we haven't improved that

[2:03:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): right so it would just be a business case for a comprehensive ocp land use for consideration

[2:03:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we can change what we don't like the business case when it comes to us in september we can change

[2:03:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): right yeah we would

[2:03:24] Voice 5: recommend recommendations to you because this time that gives time for staff

[2:03:29] Voice 5: to prepare the business case for you to comment on that and then tweak those elements that

[2:03:33] Voice 5: that we feel need to be strengthened to support those.

[2:03:37] Voice 5: This is a review that you want to prioritize.

[2:03:40] Voice 5: My

[2:03:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): recommendation would be to pass this motion

[2:03:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so that we don't put the staff in the position

[2:03:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that on September the 28th, we ask them to do this,

[2:03:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and then they're up against deadlines.

[2:03:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): This gives them some flexibility.

[2:03:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): My only issue is that the business case

[2:03:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for a comprehensive OCP and bylaw review

[2:03:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that doesn't include housing options and impacts

[2:04:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): tax is vastly different from a financial point of view and a scope point of view so if we're

[2:04:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): basing it on the list that we have right here that that's that's not a that's not a broad enough

[2:04:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): scope and it doesn't include housing options which is the whole reason that this this place needs

[2:04:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): well okay if you're okay i want to be clear on what you're saying because if what you're saying

[2:04:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is that you want the business case to include the business case that was put forward for a

[2:04:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): steering committee and all of the stuff that was there last year that is an entirely different

[2:04:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): kettle fish you know just the deliverables from the project itself for ocd and ldb

[2:04:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): amendments around housing options i think they'll be in there it's only the business case that's

[2:04:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): what i want to make sure before we go okay because that's those are two very different businesses

[2:04:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): do you want to address that

[2:04:52] Voice 5: i think if you pass this resolution this recommendation

[2:04:57] Voice 5: recommendation that business case draft that you'll see in September will have the justification

[2:05:05] Voice 5: for funding to address the comprehensive list of topics in the OCP which includes housing

[2:05:11] Voice 5: impairment it will not get into a level of detail as to what the um anticipated amendments

[2:05:20] Voice 5: policy amendments and regulation changes are so that's okay but that business case will

[2:05:26] Voice 5: So, I think, satisfied or concerned.

[2:05:29] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:05:29] Voice 5: Yeah, and we can still have

[2:05:31] Voice 8: an opportunity to get before the final.

[2:05:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay, does someone want to make that motion?

[2:05:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): What?

[2:05:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): No?

[2:05:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Scott?

[2:05:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I lost track of what the heck we were talking about.

[2:05:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): We were talking about motion two.

[2:05:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a draft business case

[2:05:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for a Gabriel Island comprehensive official community plan and land use bylaw project

[2:05:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for consideration of the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee endorsement.

[2:05:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Is there a seconder?

[2:05:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay and i think we've talked about not going to call the vote all in favor that passes unanimously

[2:06:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh planners have mentions or anything else we need to do related to this thank you very much

[2:06:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's enough uh i'm conscious that it's 12 30 and we know we have our delegations here

[2:06:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um what i'm going to suggest is i'm going to ask who's speaking to the ecological protection zone

[2:06:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So is that, Anthony?

[2:06:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yes, I'm speaking to that.

[2:06:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And how long do you anticipate our discussion to be related to that?

[2:06:35] Voice 3: I anticipate this to be short.

[2:06:37] Voice 3: I'm going to provide an update on this project.

[2:06:41] Voice 3: Do

[2:06:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you want me to

[2:06:42] Voice 3: just go ahead?

[2:06:43] Voice 3: Can we

[2:06:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just hold off?

[2:06:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I just want to talk to the ambulance service,

[2:06:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because I know Director Craig is potentially waiting here for that.

[2:06:50] Voice 5: I haven't

[2:06:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): seen anybody come up on my participants list.

[2:06:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this um i

[2:06:56] Voice 5: got the message they're in the waiting room i'm trying to get it

[2:06:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah i have i have not

[2:07:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): had anybody in the waiting room and and i'm the host so they should try again okay so if you're

[2:07:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): watching and you're from bc ambulance please try again and try to get to the meeting are you okay

[2:07:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): keep going without a break or do you want to the clients i'm conscious that sometimes we just drive

[2:07:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): forward in two hours okay so let's let's have the report from anthony and then he'll be uh

[2:07:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh free to go and um and then we can um discuss how to deal with the delegations and the stock

[2:07:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): report related to the heritage commission uh heritage register so over use uh uh go ahead

[2:07:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sure

[2:07:41] Voice 3: thanks um so we were originally coming uh today for the the gabriola eco zone to

[2:07:49] Voice 3: um recommend first and second reading and also to refer the draft bylaw but since then we've

[2:07:55] Voice 3: We've discovered that the portion of the proposed bylaw amendment burns acres needs to be needs

[2:08:05] Voice 3: a OCP amendment such since the zone it wouldn't conform to what we're doing.

[2:08:14] Voice 3: So at this point, we need to pull the staff reports and we need to draft a new one and

[2:08:21] Voice 3: also draft a OCP amendment bylaw and we'll need to do a public hearing for this as well so before we

[2:08:28] Voice 3: were asking for the public hearing to be waived since it uh our zoning bylaw amendment conformed

[2:08:35] Voice 3: to the OCP but now that's that's changed so we have to pivot and uh go that route okay questions

[2:08:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): from trustees so what's what's burn acres currently zoned as and how does that get in the way of

[2:08:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's a designation yeah the current designation is largely one

[2:08:55] Voice 3: percent of the

[2:08:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): time uh go ahead

[2:08:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh latter you know and we'll then have uh sure yeah trustee long rise answer go ahead uh so yeah

[2:09:07] Voice 3: burn it burns acres is currently designated in the ocp as large rural residential uh which allows

[2:09:13] Voice 3: allows for residential uses, which is not what we had envisioned with the zoning bylaw

[2:09:19] Voice 3: amendment for the ECO zone.

[2:09:22] Voice 3: Is

[2:09:25] Voice 8: that what you were going to say?

[2:09:26] Voice 8: Yeah, that's what I was going to say, because Elder Cedars already doesn't

[2:09:29] Voice 8: have a park,

[2:09:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and it would just be changed, so we don't have a change of OCP for that.

[2:09:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And we can't waive a public hearing for an OCP review.

[2:09:41] Voice 3: Correct.

[2:09:43] Voice 3: yeah the the the amendment has the zoning bylaw amendment has to be uh it has to conform to the

[2:09:49] Voice 3: ocp which now we know it does not um in the case of burns acres so

[2:09:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the idea is you would have to

[2:09:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): do both an lub and an ocp amendment to accommodate this uh okay any other question is it possible to

[2:10:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): do site specific for the like to do an overall ecological protection zone and then do site

[2:10:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): specific for because elder cedar you could go ahead and do the overall zone and have

[2:10:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um uh specific things for baron acres and potentially coach march down the road

[2:10:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is that a possibility um

[2:10:25] Voice 3: i sonia do you want to answer

[2:10:30] Voice 3: yeah so

[2:10:32] Voice 5: i think you want to just have it as a placeholder so burns acres wouldn't be receiving

[2:10:37] Voice 5: the actual rezoning but the zone would be created it would be in the land use bylaw one parcel would

[2:10:44] Voice 5: be successfully rezoned and that at a future date that the ocp is amended you roll in that

[2:10:53] Voice 8: designation

[2:10:53] Voice 5: change specifically for its acres and then change yes that

[2:10:58] Voice 8: sort of makes sense to me

[2:11:00] Voice 8: that we can

[2:11:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): move ahead now on uh elder shader way to get here anyway do that and then follow

[2:11:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): up with uh burns acres yeah so is it possible to make a motion effect or can that be taken

[2:11:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the staff direction or what's the

[2:11:21] Voice 8: best way to we have to change the project yeah we would we would

[2:11:28] Voice 5: update the project order to reflect the decisions that you make today to clarify for anybody looking

[2:11:33] Voice 5: back what the heck is going on with this one um and yes the resolution from the LTC specifying

[2:11:41] Voice 5: that you'd like to proceed with the draft bylaw amendments to rezone Elder Cedar and to remove

[2:11:50] Voice 5: Burns Acres from the draft so that you

[2:11:53] Voice 8: can actually review a bylaw that's consistent with that direction

[2:12:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay, I am. So what you're suggesting is, is we go ahead with the project just for Elder Cedar to amend the LUB and what wait for the OCP review to review the Burns Acres, rather than try and do an OCP review at the same time.

[2:12:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So you understand that, Anthony?

[2:12:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah.

[2:12:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay.

[2:12:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So Catherine, we need to get some wording for that motion.

[2:12:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I don't know how much you heard what Sonia said.

[2:12:41] Voice 2: Yeah, because I don't have the actual bylaws in front of me,

[2:12:44] Voice 2: I've got that the Gabriela local trust committee requests

[2:12:49] Voice 2: that staff proceed with the elder Cedar LUB OCP amendments

[2:12:56] Voice 2: amendments and remove Burns Acres from the draft by-law?

[2:13:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, I think that what it is,

[2:13:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is it's the proceed with the ecological protection zone

[2:13:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): by-law related to Elder Cedar and remove Burns Acres

[2:13:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): from the project charter.

[2:13:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Am I getting that right, Sonia?

[2:13:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay,

[2:13:27] Voice 2: so that would read then that the Gabriel and local trust committee request that staff proceed with the ecological protection zone by law related to elder cedar and remove burns acres from the project charter.

[2:13:44] Voice 2: And I think

[2:13:44] Voice 2: it should say in

[2:13:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): relation to elder the elder cedar.

[2:13:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Is it called a nature reserve in

[2:13:51] Voice 2: relation to just

[2:13:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): say elder cedar.

[2:13:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): here um so we so the plan is that we're going to get the the the ecological protection zone lub

[2:14:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): create create that zone in the land use bylaw and then we can create other do other things

[2:14:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay so that's been moved i think it was uh i think it was uh trustee colbert that moved that

[2:14:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): seconded by trustee uh so we'll call all in favor that passes unanimously thank you very much

[2:14:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um i'm still not seeing anybody from the uh ambulance i don't see anybody in my waiting room

[2:14:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um i'm hoping i'm it's working and but i don't see anybody uh it's 12 30 but i think that we

[2:14:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i know we have some of the relevant the new records so just i see mr buehl is here um and

[2:14:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): just for speaking people speaking to you community heritage register what we did is we took the staff

[2:14:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): report and put it after the delegations uh so that we could hear what people had to say about that

[2:14:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): first and then go into the staff report so if everybody's willing and keep on going we could

[2:15:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): do that right now uh so we have i had four names on my delegation list but i'm not sure there's

[2:15:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): four people here oh one two who else three we do have four people okay so briefly uh and uh why

[2:15:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): don't we turn it over to you and you go ahead and

[2:15:19] Voice 7: uh thank you very much for uh

[2:15:23] Voice 7: or for um giving us time to speak to this issue um i i've got some notes here um my printer crapped

[2:15:33] Voice 7: out this morning so i only have one copy okay but uh i'll be i'll try to be brief please do

[2:15:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh because we aren't william but we ask other people to be hard

[2:15:45] Voice 7: okay what we're speaking to

[2:15:48] Voice 7: here allows you to agenda item 7.2 the heritage commission's memorandum and just to reiterate

[2:15:57] Voice 7: uh while we're here the official community plan passed in 1997 states that a community heritage

[2:16:07] Voice 7: registered should be established to identify an inventory of real property that is considered

[2:16:13] Voice 7: to be of heritage significance.

[2:16:15] Voice 7: And the LTC may, under Section 598 of the Local Government Act, by resolution, establish

[2:16:23] Voice 7: community registers that identify real property, et cetera.

[2:16:27] Voice 7: On January 24th, 2019, a staff report to the Gabrielle LTC recommended that the Gabrielle

[2:16:36] Voice 7: the local trust committee established in the heritage register so we're all agreed to those facts

[2:16:42] Voice 7: the lgc tabled the report that 2019 report noting it was like consultation of first nations

[2:16:51] Voice 7: and community before moving forward with establishing the chr subsequently a number

[2:16:58] Voice 7: of gabriella residents and organizations came forward with a proposal to create a heritage

[2:17:05] Voice 7: heritage register by designating an organization, the Gabrielle Historical Museum Society, to act as a community heritage commission.

[2:17:15] Voice 7: So this is where we're at now, and this is what the memorandum speaks to.

[2:17:20] Voice 7: So why do we want, and are we suggesting, a Gabrielle Heritage Commission?

[2:17:26] Voice 7: Commission. According to Heritage BC's resource guide, the goal and responsibility of a Heritage

[2:17:32] Voice 7: Commission is to represent the community or to be the voice of the community. That would

[2:17:37] Voice 7: therefore, by definition, satisfy the LTC's expressed desire of consulting with local

[2:17:44] Voice 7: First Nations and the community. Further, the Historical and Museum Society can bring

[2:17:53] Voice 7: into the table it's demonstrated the ability to engage in broad consultations with both the island

[2:17:58] Voice 7: community and first nations so how do how does one create how does the ltc create a community

[2:18:05] Voice 7: heritage commission local government acts sets it out in two methods uh the first is described

[2:18:12] Voice 7: by the staff memorandum a heritage commission must be established by law by body law that's

[2:18:20] Voice 7: sections 243 245 and i stress the word established uh what sections 243 244 and 245 refer to

[2:18:30] Voice 7: is the establishment of any and all local community commissions generic issues whether

[2:18:38] Voice 7: they're planning commissions water sewer fire etc so a heritage commission obviously follows

[2:18:44] Voice 7: already that uh definition where uh local government is considering establishing the

[2:18:52] Voice 7: memorandum correcting points out the winning commission is established under section 243

[2:18:57] Voice 7: a bylaws the local government act however sets out a second method specifically referring to

[2:19:06] Voice 7: heritage commissions and that's in part 15 division 3 section 597 paragraph 1. essentially

[2:19:13] Voice 7: Essentially it says that a local government may designate an existing organization to act as a heritage commission.

[2:19:21] Voice 7: Now the key term here is designate.

[2:19:24] Voice 7: My Oxford Dictionary 8th edition 1990 defines designate as appointing to an officer function.

[2:19:33] Voice 7: That's not establishing, that's not creating, that is appointing to an officer function.

[2:19:38] Voice 7: And the Act further states that in relation to an organization designated under subsection

[2:19:45] Voice 7: 1, that organization is deemed to be a commission established under the applicable provision

[2:19:53] Voice 7: referred to in section 1.

[2:19:56] Voice 7: So it's plain language that the legislation has anticipated cases where local government

[2:20:03] Voice 7: would find it preferable to designate an existing organization to act as a commission

[2:20:08] Voice 7: rather than establishing a new entity for a while.

[2:20:13] Voice 7: This is what City of Burnaby did, for example, in 1990,

[2:20:16] Voice 7: when they designated existing heritage organizations

[2:20:19] Voice 7: to act as their heritage commission.

[2:20:22] Voice 7: That was when the new legislation came into force.

[2:20:25] Voice 7: The new Heritage Act was revised in 1990.

[2:20:28] Voice 7: So there are two ways that a heritage commission can be achieved,

[2:20:33] Voice 7: and the memorandum describes very well the first way.

[2:20:38] Voice 7: The second method is in plain language in the legislation and as a law lawyer once said to me

[2:20:44] Voice 7: legislation always trumps regulation.

[2:20:48] Voice 8: He has

[2:20:49] Voice 7: made the qualifications for the historical society to

[2:20:54] Voice 7: be designated as a heritage commission that is to be registered under the BC spring societies act

[2:21:02] Voice 7: and it fulfills all the creative criteria of an organization that can be designated to act

[2:21:08] Voice 7: as a heritage commission that are set out by heritage bc's guidelines

[2:21:15] Voice 7: now they got real ltc as a local government can under the act designate an existing organization

[2:21:22] Voice 7: to act as a community heritage commission the appointment of course is subject to in terms

[2:21:27] Voice 7: terms of reference, outlining any memorandum of understanding drawn up by the LPC.

[2:21:32] Voice 7: So we're not talking about a blank check.

[2:21:35] Voice 7: We're talking about terms of reference that can be determined.

[2:21:38] Voice 7: And some of those are outlined in our initial proposal, which you had before you in this

[2:21:43] Voice 7: discussed at previous meeting.

[2:21:46] Voice 7: Last point.

[2:21:47] Voice 7: The page two of the memorandum goes into an extensive description of what is, what was engaged to by staff or what staff engaged in, in terms of time in dealing with previous heritage registers in the Gulf Islands.

[2:22:05] Voice 7: And this is really, really good information.

[2:22:09] Voice 7: Clearly, the staff in creating and administering heritage registers on Denman Island put in 40 hours over five months.

[2:22:20] Voice 7: On South Pender, put in 60 hours over eight months.

[2:22:24] Voice 7: and the staff memorandum points out that ongoing time required to maintain the register and keep

[2:22:31] Voice 7: related documents up to date on the website is clearly a staff responsibility and staff

[2:22:37] Voice 7: undertaking that. Now Heritage BC points out that a Heritage Commission can provide evaluations and

[2:22:45] Voice 7: recommendations related to local government's heritage programs involved as well as commenting

[2:22:51] Voice 7: of the community heritage assets.

[2:22:54] Voice 7: So, acting in this capacity,

[2:22:56] Voice 7: a Gabriela Heritage Commission

[2:22:59] Voice 7: could do much of that heavy lifting

[2:23:02] Voice 7: previously assumed by trust staff

[2:23:04] Voice 7: as described in the memo.

[2:23:06] Voice 7: And depending on the terms of reference

[2:23:07] Voice 7: set by the trust committee,

[2:23:11] Voice 7: Heritage Commission could relieve the trust staff

[2:23:13] Voice 7: of some of the tasks required in maintaining the register

[2:23:16] Voice 7: and keeping documents up to date in the website.

[2:23:19] Voice 7: So, in fact, that page two of the memorandum points out very clearly and makes the best argument for how the Heritage Commission could, in fact, assist staff and take on some of those homeless and time-consuming tasks that the community now, through a Heritage Commission, would endeavor to take on and provide.

[2:23:42] Voice 7: on so um just want to make those comments and uh thank you very much thank you

[2:23:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um do you have

[2:23:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): questions

[2:23:53] Voice 7: yeah my hearing's not great but the sense i got from you saying that the commission

[2:24:01] Voice 7: under the community charter act is different than under the local government act because it's how

[2:24:07] Voice 7: how one is a creation, the other is a designation.

[2:24:10] Voice 7: They're the same.

[2:24:12] Voice 7: The commission is essentially the same.

[2:24:14] Voice 7: What legislation allows for is two ways

[2:24:18] Voice 7: of creating a heritage commission.

[2:24:20] Voice 7: And the relationship as a commission

[2:24:23] Voice 7: of the community charter versus under the LGA with staff

[2:24:27] Voice 7: is different?

[2:24:28] Voice 7: No, it's the same.

[2:24:29] Voice 7: It says specifically that a community commission that

[2:24:35] Voice 7: is designated that is appointed by the LTC as all the same powers can act in the same way as

[2:24:43] Voice 7: a community commission that is established by law so it acts exactly the same it's just that

[2:24:51] Voice 7: you have a local government an option of two ways of creating one is by establishing by bylaw

[2:24:59] Voice 7: the other is designated which is appointing an existing organization

[2:25:04] Voice 7: and the reporting relationship between the entity and the commission in whichever way it's created

[2:25:15] Voice 7: is is whatever your terms of reference

[2:25:17] Voice 7: because it was a report talks about having to you know the financial controls it's whatever

[2:25:25] Voice 7: your terms of reference are the term to reference could address all that that's right that can all

[2:25:31] Voice 7: be dealt with in a river memorandum of understanding and in fact heritage vc are very

[2:25:38] Voice 7: explicit in terms of the nature of the terms of reference and have offered support and would work

[2:25:45] Voice 7: with a heritage commission to arrive at terms of reference and memorandum of understanding which

[2:25:53] Voice 7: would fulfill all of the what hopefully fulfill all of the desires and requirements of both ltc

[2:26:04] Voice 8: Okay, let's move on to the next speaker.

[2:26:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I have Andre Lassard here.

[2:26:15] Voice 8: Next one.

[2:26:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That's who's on my list.

[2:26:21] Voice 7: My

[2:26:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): name is Andre Lassard.

[2:26:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm a heritage consultant and a licensed architect for 35 years.

[2:26:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And I had my own firm for five years.

[2:26:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and I moved to Gabriela in 2014.

[2:26:40] Voice 7: I've been a member of the Canadian Association of Heritage Professionals

[2:26:48] Voice 7: for 23 years, and in the

[2:26:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): last 12 years I've been doing that.

[2:26:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm also a former member of the Vancouver Heritage Commission,

[2:27:06] Voice 7: In the last 12 years, I've done over 50 heritage assessments, including Statement

[2:27:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of Significance and Conservation Plants, which are quite different.

[2:27:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um so i'm i'm the author of the uh gabriella community called sigma significant you got a

[2:27:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): copy of and 12 years of lecture and building science at the university of toronto and

[2:27:38] Voice 7: and uh rising university

[2:27:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um

[2:27:42] Voice 7: gabriella is

[2:27:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): very rich in historic places and starting from the

[2:27:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): people who had been living on the island for 3,000 years

[2:27:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and left nearly 100 archeological sites

[2:28:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on the island, including shell, midden, and pepper glyphs,

[2:28:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and burial sites.

[2:28:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Along with this, there's a very rich marine heritage, which includes several docks, including

[2:28:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the Government One and the the Green Wharf is still there, and the Silver Bay Resort.

[2:28:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And all of these specific sites have their own story, which is all of interest and have values in themselves.

[2:28:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): There's also substantial

[2:28:57] Voice 7: industrial heritage, which includes the

[2:29:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): shipyard and the brickyard.

[2:29:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And in 1987, Thomas Obenin compiled a partial heritage inventory of the Island Trust buildings

[2:29:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on all of its island.

[2:29:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And the Obenin listed six residential buildings, which I care about because, you know, this

[2:29:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this is the heart of the community and some of these houses were built between 1880 and

[2:29:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): 1919 and there was three community facilities that were listed at the time

[2:30:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Southern School from 1890, which unfortunately, it's

[2:30:06] Voice 7: been demolished, and the northern one in 1927, which

[2:30:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is this one, plus the Catholic Church in 1919, and that's not even mentioning Christ Church, on

[2:30:21] Voice 7: which land was donated to the United

[2:30:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Church in

[2:30:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in 1912 several of these structures have been demolished but all deserve recognitions and

[2:30:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): especially the surviving one which was must be

[2:30:40] Voice 7: salvaged saved before it's too late

[2:30:46] Voice 7: in addition gabriella has an abundant

[2:30:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh as abundant sources of documentation

[2:30:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): documentation, including a extraordinary collection of articles from 28 issues of Shale, a thorough

[2:31:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): review of several historical and scientific aspects of life in Gabriola.

[2:31:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): There are books like People of Gabriola by Jim Harrison and several others.

[2:31:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I personally spent quite

[2:31:19] Voice 7: a bit of time at the museum archives where are kept valuable documents, including the history of specific families that purchased land

[2:31:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): under the pre-empt properties,

[2:31:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): properties, some of which are mentioned in the Gabriola Community Hall significance.

[2:31:48] Voice 7: And this is, these were retrieved

[2:31:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): from the BC archives by the Gabriola archives and kept

[2:32:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): kept now in the abrigado and are available for families

[2:32:09] Voice 8: that are descendants

[2:32:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of those

[2:32:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): pioneers.

[2:32:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I might ask that the BC archive is located in the basement, but the BC museum below sea

[2:32:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): level will probably not be available for or convenient for very long.

[2:32:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in any case this documentation is vital to implement it and integral conservation of

[2:32:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh historic places on gabriella and now i'm talking about implementation of either restoration

[2:32:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): or rehabilitation restoration um the heritage registry would help to identify the gabriella

[2:32:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of heritage and therefore encourage its preservation, its rehabilitation, and its restoration.

[2:33:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It would create an awareness of heritage values of historic places. We've encouraged the

[2:33:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): documentation of records for each of the Gabriela historic sites for the community and future

[2:33:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): generations. We use the standard and guidelines for the conservation of historic places in Canada,

[2:33:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): which is the authority governing all conservation work in Canada, including identification and

[2:33:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): implementation. There could be some, I mean, you might say like, you know, how does that work and

[2:33:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and how can you motivate an owner

[2:33:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to actually save the building.

[2:34:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): There could be some compensation,

[2:34:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): which most municipalities have some kind

[2:34:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of a competition system for the preservation

[2:34:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of community assets.

[2:34:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): For instance, the building authorities

[2:34:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): could relax some of the bylaw requirements

[2:34:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in exchange for the preservation of the heritage structures.

[2:34:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): This is not unusual. Currently, it's referred as grandparenting. This is a case of Gabriel

[2:34:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Love Island Community Hall, which benefits from a reduction of parking stalls currently

[2:34:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): required by the bylaw. There could be other incentives as well, of course, at no cost

[2:34:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to taxpayers in

[2:34:47] Voice 7: addition the owner of the historic place should be encouraged to seek advice about

[2:34:54] Voice 7: the implementation of his or her project in order to respect the age of the building and complete

[2:35:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the project with integrity um i think this this building here just i don't want to interrupt sir

[2:35:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but can you tell me how much longer you intend to be because uh wait how much longer you intend to

[2:35:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): be oh it is uh one one sentence okay thank you my timing yeah

[2:35:21] Voice 7: definitely uh this building is

[2:35:24] Voice 7: more than 100 years old but nobody could tell

[2:35:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh that it's a heritage building i mean it's got the

[2:35:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): The metal roof, it's got vinyl windows,

[2:35:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's got a bar garage painted on the shingle siding.

[2:35:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And while the heritage registry would galvanize the value

[2:35:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of the heritage community assets,

[2:35:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and we must have our own register.

[2:35:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That's very important.

[2:36:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Thanks.

[2:36:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): thanks um i have um miss i think

[2:36:05] Voice 5: this is what i'm going to be doing next i'm chris campbell

[2:36:09] Voice 5: my director of the museum which is actually being really absorbed in museum society

[2:36:17] Voice 5: so the museum is one of our spheres of work but it's not all we have lands we have three

[2:36:24] Voice 5: covenants for example we protect a number of other initiatives so i'm going to speak from the point

[2:36:30] Voice 5: of 2019 acceptance of the concept of a registry and because of my background indigenous relations

[2:36:39] Voice 5: i'm going to speak for the indigenous people um here in this forum so i understand you're

[2:36:45] Voice 5: right i would speak from the viewpoint of the indigenous folk not because i'm indigenous no

[2:36:52] Voice 5: just because that's the goal of our one of our goals of our society because we've signed a new

[2:36:57] Voice 5: MOU with the Indigenous folks. So I'm just going to say that the way we look at it as a board

[2:37:03] Voice 5: of the museum is the 5,000-8,000 year history period. So what we would look to as a registry is

[2:37:11] Voice 5: sort of protecting some of these much earlier historical sites, earlier than the settler

[2:37:18] Voice 5: region, which Andre nicely focused on really. But we've got the mittens, we've also got the

[2:37:26] Voice 5: many petroglyphs that are sitting on private property now over which we have no means of

[2:37:31] Voice 5: protecting so in our discussions with the with our liaisons to namo um geraldine manson we've

[2:37:39] Voice 5: had a number of discussions about how to create this new petroglyph park that we're building

[2:37:43] Voice 5: except it's now it's called village of the ancestors much more respectful name

[2:37:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so we're

[2:37:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): looking at around the island of the other things that we could do to work with sunim to help

[2:37:54] Voice 5: preserve that

[2:37:56] Voice 5: history within our

[2:37:58] Voice 5: mandate because we

[2:38:00] Voice 5: now are looking from their

[2:38:02] Voice 5: viewpoint and have the NIMO view

[2:38:04] Voice 5: the requirement to approve

[2:38:06] Voice 5: this NIMO viewpoint and everything we do

[2:38:08] Voice 5: hence why I'm speaking this way

[2:38:10] Voice 5: now. So

[2:38:12] Voice 5: that would be something that we

[2:38:14] Voice 5: would like to see this registry

[2:38:15] Voice 5: respect and so I think

[2:38:18] Voice 5: with you having a NIMO view

[2:38:20] Voice 5: as well with respecting

[2:38:22] Voice 5: the heritage of some people and that's having one who could work in parallel that way and

[2:38:26] Voice 5: both sets of objectives that would be a goal of ours um so i think i think that um it would be

[2:38:34] Voice 5: strongly supported by this name of people and be able to work with us to a commission or register

[2:38:39] Voice 5: whichever we decide but we're focusing now on commission because that would give you the seat

[2:38:44] Voice 5: of the table and they would have a seat then at that table into this official structure registering

[2:38:49] Voice 5: through you um registering their concerns um about their heritage on this island and um i

[2:38:57] Voice 5: am very much of the experience that um good intentions feed with good people so you may

[2:39:05] Voice 5: all have good intentions now but unless we have a means of capturing our intentions

[2:39:09] Voice 5: in a four-way administrative structure meaningly things can go astray and not because of want or

[2:39:17] Voice 5: intention it just happens to do all people so that's why i support the structure and the board

[2:39:22] Voice 5: supports this structure giving us everyone who cares about heritage resources a view and a voice

[2:39:30] Voice 5: at that table and i think i just think it's important um i i would like to see the petroglyphs

[2:39:37] Voice 5: on other parts of the island that from which we haven't currently been able to make replicas and

[2:39:41] Voice 5: that's now being frowned on by the way that's not a and a way that now heritage is being recommended

[2:39:47] Voice 5: to be preserved as these things a spiritual value or they don't want them replicated that one item

[2:39:52] Voice 5: have that spiritual value and it's intentional um to stay at that location this location that

[2:39:58] Voice 5: actually has a spiritual value not the little hieroglyphic that you might think that is so

[2:40:03] Voice 5: anyway that's all i'm going to say about that i'm heartening back from the 2019 point forward

[2:40:08] Voice 5: i'm updating with the viewpoint that i think with this council you you gentlemen have um

[2:40:14] Voice 5: have embodied in this point in your work thank you very much for that lovely um

[2:40:20] Voice 5: respect you gave to geraldine i think that was very well done

[2:40:23] Voice 5: i trust you at the last presentation and i just want to keep that good good work going forward

[2:40:31] Voice 5: Thank you, Ms. Kim.

[2:40:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And now, lastly, Ms. Rachel.

[2:40:38] Voice 4: I have volunteered both with the museum and the community board. I've been involved primarily with the broadband lighting and fundraising.

[2:40:48] Voice 4: I think what I wanted to draw your attention to in the staff amendment is there seems to

[2:40:56] Voice 4: be an implication that since the heritage registers that have been created on other

[2:41:03] Voice 4: Gulf Islands, they have one or two listings only, they have been sort of dormant for,

[2:41:12] Voice 4: in many cases years and that the um so the planner is recommending against the creation

[2:41:22] Voice 4: both of the register and the commission as a drain on staff resources given the limited benefits

[2:41:30] Voice 4: of these heritage tools and that's important and as ivan pointed out in the ocp um the

[2:41:40] Voice 4: the heritage and archaeological policies established in the OCP say that a community register should

[2:41:54] Voice 4: be established to identify and illustrate real property.

[2:42:02] Voice 4: So, I mean, I think what Chris said was absolutely spot on because so often we sort of

[2:42:10] Voice 4: concentrate on the heritage and sources that belong to the settler history. It goes back so

[2:42:20] Voice 4: much more, but does the volunteer activity in taking on this task of inventorying, identifying,

[2:42:33] Voice 4: I'm documenting. When I was involved in the museum with Ivan in 2017, we got around from

[2:42:42] Voice 4: Canadian Heritage to publish a booklet called Travelling in Time, a guide to the historic places

[2:42:52] Voice 4: and a lot of the articles were taken from shame but just on its own it would serve as a

[2:43:03] Voice 4: basis for a heritage register and then the community with a small group of heritage BC

[2:43:16] Voice 4: took on to use this statement of significance and for us it was a first step

[2:43:24] Voice 4: in being eligible for larger grants because as a non-profit we're always scrambling for money to

[2:43:34] Voice 4: maintain the building that the stewards are. So I mean I just think just volunteer-led activity,

[2:43:44] Voice 4: we have about at least a dozen sites that could go into a heritage building once it's

[2:43:55] Voice 4: created and I don't know whether the trustees have been able to read the letter

[2:44:02] Voice 4: letter of support from Heritage BC that was sent.

[2:44:08] Voice 4: Kristin Clausen, Executive Director, sent a letter to your attention and she's talking

[2:44:14] Voice 4: about the benefits of a heritage register, a CHR, and she says that local heritage-aligned

[2:44:26] Voice 4: organizations most often do the hard work of completing the first steps required for a chr

[2:44:35] Voice 4: heritage bc has taken an interest in the work of gabriel community of all association and the

[2:44:42] Voice 4: gabriel historical museum society they have prepared statements as well as developed projects

[2:44:50] Voice 4: they consider some programming but engage and advance the understanding of the heritage values

[2:44:56] Voice 4: of Community Accessibility, Diversity and Reconciliation. Both organisations have received

[2:45:03] Voice 4: funding from Heritage BC for their projects. And she says that the CHR gives the local

[2:45:12] Voice 4: government improved capacity to understand and identify buildings, site features, places,

[2:45:19] Voice 4: places, trees or use-scapes of value to the community. The register helps tell the layered

[2:45:26] Voice 4: and rich story about the community, including the community's indigenous heritage. And she

[2:45:35] Voice 4: also talks about how important it is not to wait. She says delaying in putting in the

[2:45:44] Voice 4: the chr can demotivate volunteers derail the spark of momentum that takes years to build up

[2:45:52] Voice 4: and signals that the responsible and proud work of heritage engagement and advocacy

[2:45:58] Voice 4: is not valued where in fact heritage is particularly linked to community well-being

[2:46:06] Voice 4: and most planning issues of a community okay well

[2:46:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): thank you all for your words do you have

[2:46:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): any questions from any of the delegates from anybody otherwise um i'm just wondering um in

[2:46:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): my research and a lot of the work that we've done in the trust has focused on heritage conservation

[2:46:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): areas because we're land use planning we look at zoning and it would not just be split into

[2:46:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): pieces or one site it would be for the entire island and i'm wondering if as an approach

[2:46:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in terms of both identifying colonial settler sites, but also First Nations heritage sites

[2:46:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and sites of significant importance to some Inuit nations and other nations, whether you've

[2:46:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): considered that as a more comprehensive approach.

[2:46:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It is in line with what the Trust has been working on, and if you have any ideas, though.

[2:47:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): The registry and the commission are quite limited, whereas the conservation area is

[2:47:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a set of zoning tools that could be part of an OCP.

[2:47:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): be so any feedback or thoughts i'm not sure because there's first of all there's a different

[2:47:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): time as you mentioned um and uh the different areas like residential versus institutional and

[2:47:28] so on they're quite quite different but it's really hard to imagine a bylaw or some kind of

[2:47:37] mandate the

[2:47:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): districts that i know are

[2:47:41] Voice 7: trying to see all

[2:47:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the houses are conceived at the same time

[2:47:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this this is that would be a challenge to

[2:47:53] Voice 7: answer your question a heritage register

[2:47:56] Voice 7: under the heritage act has a specific role and a specific definition and hence there are

[2:48:04] Voice 7: requirements to fulfill what is then considered heritage that is quite different from

[2:48:11] Voice 7: simple resolution or designations and areas having heritage preservation values etc

[2:48:17] Voice 7: It gives a legal definition to what heritage is, and then there are requirements by local government under the Heritage Act to fulfill what a heritage register calls when that comes to zoning issues, bylaws, permit applications, etc.

[2:48:38] Voice 7: And there's also the possibility that what we're covering has a designated sites that

[2:48:45] Voice 7: are included in the Heritage Register for possible heritage preservation, and that's

[2:48:51] Voice 7: a whole other step, but the Heritage Register is the first step of determining what sites

[2:48:58] Voice 7: have that legal standard.

[2:49:00] Voice 7: So under the Heritage Act, it's a little bit different and a little more involved than

[2:49:04] Voice 7: simply saying by resolution or by intent

[2:49:08] Voice 7: that you value a certain island or area within an island

[2:49:13] Voice 7: for its heritage values.

[2:49:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): My issue is that many of the benefits

[2:49:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that you get from a registry don't apply to the Islands Trust

[2:49:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because we're not in this government.

[2:49:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So

[2:49:24] Voice 9: we don't get

[2:49:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): demolition drugs, for example.

[2:49:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): There wouldn't be a compensation piece of this.

[2:49:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And so to me, some of the registry and commission piece

[2:49:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of this, the commission is a separate sort of idea.

[2:49:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So the protections that are provided through the Registry don't apply to the Islands Trust as much as they would to a municipality.

[2:49:42] Voice 7: The Islands Trust under the Registry, under the Heritage Act, acts as a local government.

[2:49:49] Voice 7: So the Islands Trust has all the powers of the municipality in dealing with heritage under the Heritage Act.

[2:49:56] Voice 7: You've been given those responsibilities and those powers.

[2:50:01] Voice 7: And hence, all of the values that a municipality can gain from establishing a registered valid

[2:50:08] Voice 7: trust can as well.

[2:50:09] Voice 7: In your capacities, I can talk about.

[2:50:13] Voice 7: I don't have the act in front of me, but I assure you it's stated there in the clause.

[2:50:18] Voice 7: In

[2:50:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a practical way, though, we don't get demolition permits.

[2:50:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Right?

[2:50:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So we're affording the level of...

[2:50:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): You're right, but in practical terms,

[2:50:27] Voice 7: we don't actually see a lot of the functions

[2:50:29] Voice 7: that a municipality has.

[2:50:30] Voice 7: but if i could just state part of the powers of a local government are to designate

[2:50:38] Voice 7: a property by buying a lot as having values and the irish trust has that

[2:50:46] Voice 7: and by establishing a register that uh power is then designated to the lpc so that's the two

[2:50:59] Voice 7: step process in the registry they're putting in some place on the registry with the start

[2:51:05] Voice 7: but then let's follow that and i think in one thing maybe it's a saturn that they had then

[2:51:11] Voice 7: they by law designated a church which is another step as well local government can do that

[2:51:22] Voice 7: there's a whole process of compensation it's all set out in the heritage act

[2:51:26] Voice 7: It's very clear that the LTC, you are the local government under heritage terms for

[2:51:34] Voice 7: Gabrielle.

[2:51:35] Voice 7: I'm not sure that we have the authority to compensate.

[2:51:39] Voice 7: You have the responsibility if you designate a bylaw.

[2:51:45] Voice 7: If you enact a bylaw designating a site as having been protected for heritage values

[2:51:52] Voice 7: use by bible then there is a process that kicks in automatically that deals with compensation um

[2:52:16] Voice 7: every case is different and there's a considerable case law

[2:52:21] Voice 7: law already established that your legal counsel can certainly go into it.

[2:52:28] Voice 7: But there is also that just the culprits of that comparison heritage

[2:52:32] Voice 7: conservation area, which is another way of designating an area and it

[2:52:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): provides protection and it also provides protection because you would

[2:52:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): have to do services.

[2:52:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It may fit the type of

[2:52:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): function that we actually do. So can I request an

[2:52:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): an update from staff for the next meeting on the um heritage overlay mapping that's been sort of

[2:52:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): well i can give you an update yeah i mean that's that's a you're talking about the

[2:53:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): indigenous heritage over there that's all there yeah so that that work is going on

[2:53:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh there has been a bit of a stall uh partly because of some of the consultants that we have

[2:53:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but they have just for the purposes of everybody watching this is a project that's going on through

[2:53:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I think it's out through the regional planning team, but anyway, where they're engaged with a consultant in First Nations in developing mapping of heritage sites throughout the Outlandish Trust area, which is what we're calling the heritage overlay mapping to identify specific archaeological and heritage sites for First Nations throughout the Trust area.

[2:53:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): with the idea being, in the long run, is that we create protections around those areas,

[2:53:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): probably in the form of a DPA or some other development permit area or something else that provides that kind of protection.

[2:53:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That program and project is still going on.

[2:53:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It has not advanced as quickly as it might have with Lisa Wilcox not being with us, but it's continuing.

[2:54:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and it's now one of the auspices of Clare and the CAO directly and they assure us that they're

[2:54:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): still working with the group that's doing that. So I just have one question and if you don't mind

[2:54:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm not being facetious so as I ask this question and I would appreciate a very short answer if

[2:54:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): possible because we're out of time. With all we have going on in our on our plate with all the

[2:54:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): work around climate change and housing and ecological protection and zoning and OCP and

[2:54:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): LEP. Why should we make this a priority? Because this is effectively you telling us this should

[2:54:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): be a project, a top priority of ours is creating and designating a heritage commission and

[2:54:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): heritage register. So why should that be a priority for us? And I welcome any of you.

[2:55:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i mean i've heard all your reasons i think they're fabulous that's totally important to understand it

[2:55:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and then why for us why should we convince this should be our priority for our some of our work

[2:55:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to get done and i'm happy to listen and not

[2:55:18] Voice 7: need to see uh a quarter century ago the community and

[2:55:23] Voice 7: its official community plan adopted a statement that said community heritage registration i saw

[2:55:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): got it so that's one reason they also said we should inform our portable housing we should

[2:55:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): protect our forests we should ensure that our water resources are are taken care of with that

[2:55:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we should take care of it they said a lot of things

[2:55:44] Voice 7: extremely important and should be dealt

[2:55:48] Voice 7: with but heritage as a value is also important i won't go into the philosophical reasons why

[2:55:55] Voice 7: why we live on islands where we do and why perhaps heritage.

[2:56:00] Voice 7: And it's one of the things that we value and determines

[2:56:04] Voice 7: and in fact, identifies us as Gulf Islanders

[2:56:09] Voice 7: and gathering alive.

[2:56:10] Voice 7: And as such, heritage is also very fragile.

[2:56:15] Voice 7: It disappears.

[2:56:16] Voice 7: Currently, we're under seeing what we're seeing

[2:56:19] Voice 7: in this island, tremendous development.

[2:56:21] Voice 7: We're going through one of those spurts

[2:56:23] Voice 7: that happen periodically.

[2:56:25] Voice 7: And as Andre pointed out, there's

[2:56:28] Voice 7: always the risk of losing what we have before with even

[2:56:32] Voice 7: a catalog that's there.

[2:56:35] Voice 7: And that's what a register would do, is determine,

[2:56:39] Voice 7: give us a snapshot of what is here,

[2:56:42] Voice 7: what the pilot identifies and values.

[2:56:45] Voice 7: And the cost is virtually by establishing,

[2:56:49] Voice 7: by designating an existing organization

[2:56:52] Voice 7: to act as a commission.

[2:56:53] Voice 7: is virtually nil to the trust. So if the reluctance or reticence on the part of Trust Council is that it would take up too much space on the table or the desk,

[2:57:09] Voice 7: that is what the legislation enables you to do by designating an existing organization to take it over.

[2:57:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And let me ask you one more question. I mean, and again, I'm just being, I'm not being facetious.

[2:57:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i just been curious about this and i i don't have any heritage history background and i apologize

[2:57:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that if it sounds silly um as i understand it you as volunteers could go out and say

[2:57:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and identify and make a list of all the heritage buildings on this island apparently it's happened

[2:57:38] Voice 5: and

[2:57:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so you have that so you could do that so what this does this potentially does is create

[2:57:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a registry that we then potentially that we then bless and say yeah these people are

[2:57:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): designated and that puts us on the hook for something like what you just finished saying

[2:57:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is is that all of a sudden we may have some some some responsibilities related to these properties

[2:58:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): too

[2:58:01] Voice 7: only the only response that local government has is if it designates by file but if you have

[2:58:10] Voice 7: established a register you're not designated by violating uh in any way um inhibiting a

[2:58:18] Voice 7: landowner's use of his property there's no uh financial or even uh legal uh impediments

[2:58:28] Voice 7: to a landlord if his property is registered only if it's desert okay

[2:58:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and so what's the benefit

[2:58:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): beyond what i've heard of public awareness etc etc of creating the registry as opposed to

[2:58:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the museum putting out a list of parents because

[2:58:45] Voice 7: what it does under the heritage act is it gives

[2:58:49] Voice 7: legal status to the community determined value so if a community through a commission determines

[2:58:57] Voice 7: that this building for example has heritage value then it's on the register and if any

[2:59:04] Voice 7: any further developments, bylaws, or changes come to the LTC regarding the specific property,

[2:59:14] Voice 7: the LTC can then look at the heritage register and see what implications that heritage value

[2:59:21] Voice 7: may have on whatever matter comes before the LTC with regards to a specific site.

[2:59:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Thanks very much.

[2:59:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So I'm actually going to, thanks,

[2:59:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): unless you two have any other questions.

[2:59:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Just one quick question.

[2:59:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sure the mru with sunima it's been signed and does it mention any sort of uh registry or heritage

[2:59:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): sites or not specifically it's a high level it's only a page and a half and it basically says that

[2:59:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): they have say into every project that we take on and so we would consult them on something

[2:59:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): as important as this, just

[2:59:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): keeping in tune.

[3:00:00] Voice 8: Okay, and

[3:00:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the heritage overlay mapping there's people's conversations around as well.

[3:00:05] Voice 8: Yes, that's just awesome. Yeah, yeah.

[3:00:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay, well, thank you. Have a time to. Yeah, sorry.

[3:00:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I just want to say so there's

[3:00:14] Voice 7: the registry which was brought forward in 2,019, but because the first name defer put back.

[3:00:24] Voice 7: but it had that happened at that point in time there could have been a motion passed by the

[3:00:32] Voice 7: local trust

[3:00:33] Voice 8: committee to establish the register at the community hall too just and that would be

[3:00:41] Voice 8: that would be the process for that that could have happened potentially

[3:00:48] Voice 8: the first nation question i think part

[3:00:51] Voice 8: of the issue of the

[3:00:52] Voice 7: time ltc in 2019 so there was no

[3:00:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): permission i remember that that

[3:00:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): was an approach to us to say that

[3:01:00] Voice 8: we want this on the creative

[3:01:02] Voice 8: registry put this on so that could still happen now potentially you know like so i'm just trying

[3:01:13] Voice 8: to

[3:01:13] Voice 7: understand the role of the commission versus when something comes forward to ask to put

[3:01:20] Voice 7: something on we haven't created a registry yet but we need to have something to add i think that was

[3:01:26] Voice 7: party issues we need to have something to add to create the register first you can't just create a

[3:01:32] plan

[3:01:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): my understanding would be and we can talk about this in the staff report when we get the

[3:01:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): staff report next i think we need to have a great people get to that is my understanding would be

[3:01:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the commission would be one doing the work and making the recommendations they would have the

[3:01:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): expertise that would come to us and so they wouldn't come necessarily on an ad hoc well

[3:01:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we want this problem they would come when they're ready and they do their work and then they would

[3:01:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): monitor and maintain the registry as opposed to us that's the way

[3:01:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i understand what they're doing

[3:02:00] Voice 7: in the initial submission which we gave to the ftc and have your name

[3:02:08] Voice 7: briefly outlined the way we envision the process working is should a commission be appointed

[3:02:17] Voice 7: then that commission would work with air gpc with the with trust staff with the community

[3:02:24] Voice 7: do the consultation which he would ask for the community impersonation and then come back as

[3:02:31] Voice 7: proposal for how it would work what would be on the register and what would be involved

[3:02:39] Voice 7: that gets into the relationship between the commission and staff

[3:02:45] Voice 7: the commission are you then responsible to the staff to trust committee for open meeting

[3:02:52] for those

[3:02:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): advertising like i'm just well i i anyway okay let's talk about that in the context

[3:03:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of the staff report uh thank you very much for all your presentation i'm conscious of the fact

[3:03:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's 1 30 we've been going for three hours i'm also conscious of the fact we we have a staff

[3:03:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): report related to this there's a series of sort of more minor conversations but uh if it's okay

[3:03:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): with it and i'm still waiting to see i haven't found anybody coming in uh for me on the annual

[3:03:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's focused as our is can i suggest we take maybe a 20-minute break right now

[3:03:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh is that enough for you i'm i'm certainly mostly with staff

[3:03:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um not trustees or used to grinding through good stuff out of rights

[3:03:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay so we're going to adjourn now until um just before two o'clock and we'll come back

[3:03:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): at that point and pick up with the staff report related to this and have it and discuss that and

[3:03:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): then move on to uh the various business items a new business and the uh some correspondence

[3:04:02] Voice 8: okay thanks very much uh

[3:26:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we are recording but i just turned the i was muted so we're back on uh

[3:26:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's uh 157 and we're back into the agenda uh catherine hi we're back you're all good

[3:27:09] Voice 2: question i was absolutely

[3:27:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um

[3:27:12] Voice 2: on my zoom it requested that you requested that i unmute

[3:27:15] Voice 2: myself and i wondered if that was a mistake it

[3:27:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): wasn't me okay it wasn't it wasn't i didn't do

[3:27:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that but okay

[3:27:24] Voice 2: thanks i

[3:27:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): didn't do it on purpose anyway and still don't have anybody uh joining

[3:27:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the zoom meeting so um okay so the next item on the agenda if you guys are ready to talk about

[3:27:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it is the staff report and we go back to page um 13 of the agenda and this is the report uh from

[3:27:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): rpm power and i'm going to turn to finance evidence and see if you have you'd like to

[3:27:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): introduce that um and and speak to it before we get into the discussion thanks

[3:28:03] Voice 5: i don't have

[3:28:04] Voice 5: anything to add the delegations have referenced it as a resource for you to consider the differentiation

[3:28:10] Voice 5: between the registration of a community register or a heritage commission and some substantial

[3:28:16] Voice 5: resources for reading materials.

[3:28:19] Voice 5: There is a staff recommendation in this memo that we not establish a heritage commission

[3:28:28] Voice 5: nor a heritage register as both would be requiring preliminary

[3:28:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): or ongoing staff reporting given

[3:28:38] Voice 5: the limited benefit of the Heritage Preservation Tool.

[3:28:42] Voice 5: uh or the suggestion is that you just place this on the lcc projects list for future consideration

[3:28:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah is it it's not already on our project system there is a table of motion from 2019

[3:28:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um related to this it's never been brought back but that was about a specific piece of property

[3:29:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): specific calls i would call um

[3:29:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um and uh yeah it's a shame the car rpm car is not here to speak

[3:29:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to the staff report um because it's an interesting i mean i wonder about issues about whether this

[3:29:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the benefit might be more than we that was part mostly what a lot of the messaging was is there

[3:29:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): will be quite a bit more benefit than we might have seen on other locations at least with the

[3:29:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but also the staffing resources um and okay trustees how would you like to proceed with

[3:29:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the staff report and the uh

[3:29:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and the recommendations from staff and the delegation uh this positioning

[3:29:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): any delegation for that either of you speak to it um i'm interested in

[3:30:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in how we think how we do this not whether we get to this important piece i'm not convinced

[3:30:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that a register or a commission actually fit with what's going on here um and there is ongoing work

[3:30:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): at the broad level on the on the heritage map on the first nations piece um you know i've heard

[3:30:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): my report earlier but i didn't meet the chief of council and they shared with me that their elders

[3:30:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): are asking them not to impatriate remains, that they stay on the island and find a respectful

[3:30:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): place to be. So that's the position that's been put forward. So I would like to go back

[3:30:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and ask Sunima directly how they would like to do that, provide

[3:30:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): some direct feedback from

[3:30:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): them in terms of how that works. That's for Gate Rola. Of course, other islands within

[3:30:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the school trust area i have other big rules i need more information from that point of view

[3:31:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): before choosing which path to go down so i i've been interested in this on the projects list but

[3:31:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): not and part of the potential comprehensive review to how to protect those energy sites

[3:31:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but i'm not

[3:31:23] Voice 7: sure i'm just going to commission all the way to go i'm just not clear on um

[3:31:29] Voice 7: The report versus what I heard, it doesn't seem to fit too well here.

[3:31:37] But my whole approach

[3:31:39] Voice 7: was if there was some not labor or staff intensive process,

[3:31:45] be registered and move forward to put something on, that would be great.

[3:31:51] Voice 7: But the reason I put that motion forward in the past was because of the commission and what it's working on.

[3:32:00] Voice 7: I'm still not totally clear on the community charter versus the LGA.

[3:32:08] And to me, you've made some interesting points there

[3:32:12] about the difference between the community charter

[3:32:15] and the creation versus the designation of the data.

[3:32:22] Voice 8: I'm not totally clear on that, to be quite honest.

[3:32:25] Voice 8: I would like to see,

[3:32:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I mean, I support having a registered statistic

[3:32:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and discussing the process, how we get there.

[3:32:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um in terms of the staff time to do a register it's looking like it's 30 seems to be anywhere

[3:32:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): like 30 40 hours over five or six months um is that it's excessive i don't think so

[3:32:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it's an accessible amount of staff time to at least create the

[3:32:57] Voice 8: register if i guess at this

[3:33:03] Voice 8: point in time was the community hall being the potential

[3:33:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): designated

[3:33:10] Voice 7: site and gathering the information around first nation

[3:33:16] Voice 7: support for it is that something that the museum could present to us

[3:33:22] Voice 7: and say and have shenanigans they support this

[3:33:26] you know and they're we of course support about the

[3:33:31] being put on the register

[3:33:33] Voice 8: then it needs to establish the register

[3:33:40] Voice 8: that was my hope anyway that we'd have some simple way of doing it not too not too labor

[3:33:45] Voice 8: so i mean

[3:33:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'll tell you what i've heard as i would understand the register created in the other

[3:33:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): islands was created and managed and it's managed by the house yeah it's just a motion right

[3:34:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): right is and what i've understood from the the delegates their proposal is is well let us do

[3:34:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that uh for you um create the registry and let us do the work it's an interesting juxtaposition

[3:34:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and i don't know how we're going to declare it because you know section 30 of the island's trust

[3:34:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): says that uh each local trust committee has a respect of its local trust area all the powers

[3:34:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and authority of the local government and part 15 of the local government heritage conservation

[3:34:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): which is the heritage conservation and it is the section that mr bulett was referencing that talks

[3:34:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): about creating a heritage commission not creating designating a heritage group an existing group of

[3:34:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the heritage um commission uh and then it goes on to talk about uh anyway it all applies part 15

[3:35:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and local government applies to regional trust committees and then there's some exceptions

[3:35:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and it talks about how that all works and then it talks about a destination bylaw

[3:35:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of temporary protection of section 607 applies for a period of 60 days etc etc etc so there's

[3:35:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a whole section that contemplates this heritage conservation and it's just a matter of whether

[3:35:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you want to do it or not um as a local trust committee and

[3:35:41] um

[3:35:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the methodologies proposed to us is well designate them as a heritage commission let

[3:35:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): them go away and create their plan of action etc etc and come back to you we could make all sorts

[3:35:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of requirements but if you wanted to uh and then and then create the registry and let them manage

[3:36:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): That's the proposal, as I understand.

[3:36:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And I'm not going to express an opinion

[3:36:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): whether I think this is a good use of any of our resources

[3:36:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): one way or another, given everything else

[3:36:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's on our books, but I don't know

[3:36:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): how we're gonna get clarity,

[3:36:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): except you may wanna go away and think about it,

[3:36:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): look at section 30, take that into local government act.

[3:36:22] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm not sure how the community charter plays into it,

[3:36:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): but it seems pretty clear you could do it.

[3:36:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'm not sure what the liabilities become about compensation.

[3:36:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and i'm not sure how extreme they are but i i agree with i tend to be in the view don't

[3:36:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): want to create it at a scenario that's going to require a lot of staff time because we don't have

[3:36:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a lot of stuff yeah um we just don't and um and we still and i i wouldn't want to hamstring the

[3:36:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): next local trust committee with something that takes up where the staff comes along

[3:36:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because north comes along and says you know what they're creating this commission and that's going

[3:37:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): going to take 25 of our staff time going forward so that you're left with you know this amount of

[3:37:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): time to do your projects including the ocp well the ocp shouldn't be reaching time anyway i'm

[3:37:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): talking aloud but i'm not sure

[3:37:15] Voice 8: and i what i'm hearing

[3:37:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): from from trustee colburn is i'd like to

[3:37:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): go talk to the dynamic and see what they think about this idea and whether i mean they've got

[3:37:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): an MOU with the museum but are they on board with this idea of a commission

[3:37:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because I don't know that we heard that no

[3:37:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah and then you know if we're talking about

[3:37:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): an OCP and LUB review looking at protection

[3:37:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): heritage sites the idea of a heritage conservation area as part of that process

[3:37:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): incorporating the heritage overlay mapping of all the sites that that is the best way to do

[3:37:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this in my opinion because it adds it into the into their discreedy plan and the violence

[3:38:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and that would deal with specific sites but in specific areas but i what i heard sorry i

[3:38:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): forgot his name um mr lasar would say and i think he was pretty focused on i'm talking about he was

[3:38:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): talking about well how about specific building which is a different another element yeah you

[3:38:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): say no it's about identifying that house over there and maybe the grounds or and at that

[3:38:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): school over there as opposed to what you're talking about is this is an area where there's

[3:38:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a lot of uh archaeological sites that we need yeah i know those are all important they're saying

[3:38:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): they're they're different and i agree with you if you're talking about the second thing then

[3:38:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and creating archaeological action sites

[3:38:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): are probably a better way to go.

[3:38:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): My understanding from the work that Lisa did

[3:38:56] Trustee Colbourne (probable): leading up to the heritage mapping

[3:38:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): was that it encompassed both the First Nations sites

[3:39:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and colonial settler sites, that it was comprehensive.

[3:39:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So that's why some of, like you kind of wanted to tap back

[3:39:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): into the work that's happening trust-wide.

[3:39:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Well, why don't we

[3:39:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): ask for a report on where that's going?

[3:39:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I don't know if we can get that

[3:39:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): from the new director of planning's office.

[3:39:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah um as to whether there is some element of of um of heritage non-indigenous heritage

[3:39:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): mapping going on too because i thought it was just an uh uh indigenous

[3:39:36] so how

[3:39:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): do you want to what do you want to do

[3:39:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i move that uh the gabriel ltc request um additional information from islands trust staff

[3:40:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on heritage overlay mapping project

[3:40:10] Voice 8: relates as it relates to heritage conservation i mean

[3:40:21] Voice 8: non-indigenous just heritage conservation okay you'll probably get the project chartered

[3:40:29] Voice 8: and uh the most recent report i'm fine with getting that

[3:40:38] Voice 8: information okay

[3:40:39] Voice 8: okay so

[3:40:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that doesn't address this okay so just hold on a second let's get that that's a motion

[3:40:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): let's catherine did you get that motion at

[3:40:52] Voice 2: the gabriel and local trust committee request

[3:40:56] Voice 2: additional information from islands trust staff on heritage overlay mapping project

[3:41:00] Voice 2: as it relates to heritage conservation that's

[3:41:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): exactly what we said yeah you can contend with

[3:41:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that is there a seconder okay so any further discussion okay we'll pass that motion so what

[3:41:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): else do you want to do kelly i

[3:41:16] Voice 8: would like to actually bring this back on the next meeting

[3:41:21] Voice 8: i just i want to do it i just need to understand this

[3:41:27] Voice 8: what the commission would need more time

[3:41:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to study okay uh i've given you you now have uh

[3:41:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Mr. Buehler's letter, and he's going to copy it and send it to us, or either of you.

[3:41:48] Voice 7: If I could just clarify one point that may assist you. The Heritage Act defines a heritage register is limited to dealing with inventory, to identify the inventory of real property.

[3:42:02] Voice 7: real property under the act is defined not as the scopes of landscape not as seashore

[3:42:10] Voice 7: real property as would be defined by the last time

[3:42:15] Voice 7: precisely so it is very specific

[3:42:18] Voice 7: in terms of so when you speak about uh a heritage conservation area that may be immaterial

[3:42:30] Voice 7: and

[3:42:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): heritage bc is changing too because they're they've got a guide to achieve new standards for

[3:42:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): insulation true

[3:42:37] Voice 7: so but the heritage act is ultimately what is defining what we're talking

[3:42:44] Voice 7: yeah exactly that's one of the challenges we get we get these agendas for friday before

[3:42:50] and don't get a lot of time to go through all of the items that they do actually one of the

[3:42:56] things that i think we have trust committed we can

[3:43:00] Voice 7: look at the timeline well thank you for your time

[3:43:05] Voice 7: i look forward to any further conversations thanks

[3:43:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): nice to meet you um okay and can we just leave it

[3:43:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): with you trustee colburn that you might raise this issue with in your next meeting with sustainment

[3:43:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and just say what do you guys think about the um well what's your view you guys what's your view of

[3:43:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of the uh what's your view of uh commission of this nature uh and and report back to us

[3:43:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'll do my best thank you very much is there anything further that you'd like i'll just i'd

[3:43:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): like to just refer this to the next meeting okay so maybe we'll just ask staff to have it put back

[3:43:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on the agenda on september 28th we probably put a number of things on here next time

[3:43:51] Voice 5: like this

[3:43:52] Voice 8: memorandum yes yes i

[3:43:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): think the memorandum from uh arcane tower would be great

[3:43:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and um and maybe uh yeah and you can have conversations with her as well i didn't talk

[3:44:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to her yesterday i'll email her with everybody yesterday um but she's on now she's on vacation

[3:44:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay thank you very much for that conversation uh let's go on to there's an email here we got

[3:44:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): an aircraft pollution noise um and that's uh i'm sorry i need to go back to my agenda that's um at

[3:44:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): page 51 from forgotten the native everyone's name just asking whether we wrote a letter

[3:44:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a year and a half ago uh indicating something about uh that that we need to that they needed

[3:44:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to make sure that the noise was not impacting but i i don't know if there's something specific you

[3:44:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): want to do the ocp amendment that's from the yard again from the rdm and they added island

[3:45:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): residents i believe to um one of their oversight committees and maybe director craig because i

[3:45:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i know the rdn is going to be some noise noise bylaw as well does that incorporate things like

[3:45:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): their point if they're playing you know it

[3:45:17] Voice 8: would just be for a neighborhood residential kind of

[3:45:20] Voice 8: place but

[3:45:20] Voice 5: yeah the rmn did write a letter asking the uh airport commission to add

[3:45:26] Voice 8: the illinois

[3:45:33] Voice 8: committee and yes they appointed two behavioral residents and uh it

[3:45:38] Voice 4: sounded like it was i brought

[3:45:40] Voice 4: to the attention of the island's trust that it's a special noise zone which we seem to not know

[3:45:45] Voice 4: yeah

[3:45:45] Voice 5: and um it looked promising initially and then the last update i heard it wasn't promising but

[3:45:52] Voice 5: uh i can i can get an update from them and then he also i see your gentleman who emailed you also

[3:46:00] Voice 5: mentioned the sea flames which are different from the niagara airport it does have an agreement

[3:46:06] Voice 5: which is the ones that they're supposed to stay a certain distance away from me for your life

[3:46:15] Voice 8: represent

[3:46:15] Voice 8: so maybe and we're out of work

[3:46:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): here but maybe a letter to the to the nile airport and the

[3:46:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): board authority regarding airplane pathing over water instead of land that's what they're supposed

[3:46:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to be doing anyways and so there's a kind of cutting corners to get to the airport and i

[3:46:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): know sea meadow and other places there's a resonance issue there's things so yeah from

[3:46:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the chair perhaps well i'm happy

[3:46:54] Voice 1: to write a

[3:46:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): letter but i heard from director craig is there do you

[3:46:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): have two gabriel island presidents on the airport and i'm aware do you also have them on the harbor

[3:47:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): oh

[3:47:03] Voice 5: i see yeah

[3:47:07] Voice 5: okay

[3:47:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): well then that's different you

[3:47:12] Voice 8: could ask to be a little more presentable

[3:47:18] Voice 8: and they're on the airport yes and there's mitigation open

[3:47:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): whatever you guys want to do

[3:47:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): if you'd like me to write a letter i'll write a letter but i'd like to know what you'd like

[3:47:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): me to say i i this is something i've heard consistently um as a petition and some work

[3:47:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): around this so i i think a letter from the chair to the airport and port authority um

[3:47:44] outlining issues around airplane pathing um to mitigate

[3:47:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): noise issues for island residents

[3:47:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay so it would it be more in the nature of a reminder letter that they have

[3:47:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and then because they're certain and then does anybody can anybody point me to what the

[3:48:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): commitments are what the quote-unquote rules are supposed to be so that i can phrase that

[3:48:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): letter appropriately find that

[3:48:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah there's a transport canada letter to the trust um

[3:48:13] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there's a big package we had those rules in there i've searched in the past for the transport

[3:48:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): candidate letter you may remember it too it's it's a few terms back yeah

[3:48:28] Voice 4: exactly

[3:48:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so there's

[3:48:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there's work in the past it's just a question of finding that documentation who wants to volunteer

[3:48:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to dig it out because i won't be able to find

[3:48:41] Voice 8: it i do

[3:48:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so we're going to get burnt to craig

[3:48:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um if someone could provide me some of the backgrounds so in a short form as to what

[3:48:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it is i'll draft the letter i'll find what i can and um and and you want both the port authority

[3:49:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and the harbor because it's both sea planes and uh there's so if you want to make a motion to

[3:49:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that effect so i think we've got a motion catherine for the ltc to request the chair

[3:49:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to write a letter to the nanaimo port authority regarding seaplane routes and to the nanaimo

[3:49:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): airport authority regarding plane flight paths as they affect gabriel it's an interesting situation

[3:49:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because i know you know where i live there's a large property and they own a seaplane and they

[3:49:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): come into

[3:49:36] Voice 8: their property and

[3:49:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): they have a landing strip so katherine did you get that as a motion

[3:49:46] Voice 2: yes i did great

[3:49:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'll second it okay so i've been moved and seconded uh any further discussion

[3:49:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): all in favor thank you and if someone can get me in the background that passed unanimously

[3:49:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we'll do that let's go to the school acquisition charge school site acquisition charge which is

[3:50:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um on page 52 and this is again a request for uh advocacy as i understand it

[3:50:16] Voice 5: okay

[3:50:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): go ahead stop reporting so

[3:50:20] Voice 5: we're providing you with an overview to the school site acquisition

[3:50:23] Voice 5: charge, which is being applied to school district 68, which is

[3:50:28] Voice 5: what it's been asked to consider accepting a reduction in

[3:50:34] Voice 5: threshold for when the charge would be applied for development

[3:50:38] Voice 5: in the local trust area. So theoretically, it'd be four or

[3:50:43] Voice 5: more dwellings or loss that would trigger this. It's not a

[3:50:46] Voice 5: tool that's often used by school districts, but they were able

[3:50:49] Voice 5: to um to do that last fall and request that the level consider reducing that number to two dwellings

[3:50:58] Voice 5: instead so that would increase the number of opportunities to which the charge would be

[3:51:04] Voice 5: applied in order for them to leverage the acquisition of up to two school sites

[3:51:10] Voice 5: to accommodate the growth in this school district area so staff are recommending that you do respond

[3:51:20] Voice 5: on back to the regional district of Nanaimo asking that they amend their by-law to include electoral

[3:51:26] Voice 5: area b as it has not been included because we did not get this request to the sufficient time to

[3:51:33] Voice 5: meet their by-law drafting and integrating timelines there's a bit of background there

[3:51:40] Voice 5: for you plus the documentation that was submitted to the elementary office last year and then the

[3:51:46] Voice 5: rationale is that the board of education has has already instituted this change for four or more

[3:51:51] Voice 5: and that you are being asked to consider the uh to dwelling to what threshold to be applied

[3:52:00] Voice 5: and we know that by law 1850 the rdn bylaw that's currently adopted

[3:52:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): speaks specifically to

[3:52:08] Voice 8: however it would also apply to something and so the original approving officer from what we

[3:52:16] Voice 5: understand the charge being administered and collected prior to the issuance of some division

[3:52:25] Voice 5: or prior to the registration of a subdivision that those fees

[3:52:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): would be collected by the applicant and

[3:52:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so the island's trust involvement is not at all onerous

[3:52:39] Voice 5: or in any way shape or form because it's

[3:52:41] Voice 5: strictly coordinated through the rdn or the provincial fooding officer and so

[3:52:47] Voice 5: i will in

[3:52:48] Voice 5: front of referrals and subdivision referrals without involving

[3:52:50] Voice 8: any administration money

[3:52:55] so

[3:52:55] Voice 8: it's a relatively straightforward process and they're the

[3:53:01] Voice 5: benefits of having that triggered at

[3:53:04] Voice 5: two or two dwellings or two lots is likely more realistic than those opportunities for it to be

[3:53:12] Voice 5: triggered at four dwellings or four lots which are much less common it would be a multi-family

[3:53:18] Voice 5: dwelling for example um

[3:53:20] Voice 8: so

[3:53:22] Voice 5: that forms part of the rationale for staff to recommend that we

[3:53:27] Voice 5: proceed by notifying the rdn that we wish to be included i didn't get a chance to follow up with

[3:53:35] Voice 5: the manager of the rdn this week

[3:53:38] Voice 8: because i know there's a lot of questions from justin

[3:53:40] Voice 8: on grace

[3:53:41] Voice 8: i did have some questions

[3:54:01] Voice 7: regarding now as you say the bylaw refers to

[3:54:12] Voice 7: if requests and the school board i guess can do the form or more irrespective of whatever the

[3:54:19] Voice 7: the government says that they want to drop it down to subdivision to

[3:54:23] Voice 8: work for buildings

[3:54:25] Voice 8: that they need and that's done by bylaw but that's where i got stuck with the bylaw just

[3:54:33] Voice 7: referring to two specific situations

[3:54:42] Voice 8: i'm not sure about that i don't that's not clear to me uh i understand it would affect

[3:54:51] Voice 8: affect multifamily dwellings, and this is in effect now.

[3:55:05] Voice 8: The other question I got

[3:55:07] Voice 7: is, it says two or more, so if there's a lot, it could be subdivided into two automatically.

[3:55:14] So it did have an impact number of subdivisions.

[3:55:21] Voice 7: The number of dwellings would mainly be multifamily portal housing unless the definition of secondary suite.

[3:55:28] That's where I heard the stuff, too, is the secondary suite is, and I'm, right now, the

[3:55:34] bylaw 500 talks about it just being a secondary suite in the usual sense,

[3:55:40] Voice 7: but what I noticed

[3:55:41] Voice 7: is that the revised bylaw, which is not passed yet, talks about suites that are attached

[3:55:47] Voice 7: to a building more like what we call a cottage, but that's not the effect.

[3:55:52] Voice 8: We

[3:55:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): don't call them cottages either.

[3:55:53] Voice 7: No, no, I know.

[3:55:54] Voice 7: we don't put the term includes what gen what the new bylaw rdns is the detached secondary

[3:56:02] Voice 7: suite and

[3:56:03] Voice 5: that's the way we define it as well so it's consistent so it would not be

[3:56:08] Voice 5: triggering the charge

[3:56:09] Voice 7: that's not in the definition right now in the rdn but that will be something

[3:56:13] Voice 7: but we

[3:56:14] Voice 8: administer our own bylaw and the regional district i'm always satisfied that those are

[3:56:21] Voice 8: secondary suite so they're not they won't trigger it they won't trigger the shift question i wasn't

[3:56:44] Voice 5: able to

[3:56:44] Voice 8: get confirmation around how the subdivision provision if

[3:56:48] Voice 5: that needs to be included in the by

[3:56:49] Voice 5: law as well the rdn seems to not have that specific loading in it so perhaps it's a separate agreement

[3:56:56] Voice 5: with the provincial approving officers and then just advise them just as we would that we've

[3:57:01] Voice 5: endorsed the church to be applied to two lots or more that would necessarily be a requirement of

[3:57:09] Voice 5: the rdm platform which is specific

[3:57:11] Voice 8: the only purpose we have that relationship with them

[3:57:13] Voice 8: is for that building permit administration not subdivisions but they would administer the charge

[3:57:22] Voice 8: with the provincial building officer on our behalf um what's not really in here it's like

[3:57:29] Voice 8: how much

[3:57:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): is the charge like what what what in actual dollars are we talking about a thousand

[3:57:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): dollars

[3:57:35] Voice 8: yeah so on

[3:57:36] Voice 8: the touch member there's a charge per unit on page 55 of the agenda package

[3:57:51] Voice 8: you can see the maximum for three minutes that's related to density but then in the broad sense or

[3:58:03] Voice 8: so that's why it's highlighted a thousand dollars that would apply that's what would be applicable

[3:58:08] Voice 5: i have a

[3:58:26] Voice 8: more practical question this is

[3:58:28] Voice 8: just basically

[3:58:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): asking the 902

[3:58:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to include area b into their bylaw that would apply this charge and then they would then

[3:58:37] Trustee Colbourne (probable): administer it collect it give it to the school board and i assume it's the school board is

[3:58:43] is it are you guys i'm sorry i should know this lady denial lady lady this public school

[3:58:50] second sp 68 does it cover off gabriel

[3:58:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah okay so then

[3:58:55] Voice 8: that would be done at that point so

[3:59:00] Voice 8: really is just asking them to and

[3:59:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i appreciate that you're concerned about unintended consequences

[3:59:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah like that it might be triggered by secondary suites which might have an impact on more housing

[3:59:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that's created etc etc and i think i'm hearing that it's not going to be the case um okay but i

[3:59:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): also i mean i think you said it i noticed the request came in november 2021 and it just didn't

[3:59:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): get your so is this ask is this going to ask the argument to open up a bylaw and amend it again

[3:59:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): they're going to have to do that if they're willing to do something okay

[3:59:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so the trustees what do you want to do i understand

[3:59:48] Voice 7: that if you don't agree that there's

[3:59:50] Voice 7: that there's a process that follows that where you go to school boards or some sort of resolution

[4:00:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): a

[4:00:00] Voice 8: matter of us saying yes or no that's the end of it we say no to the other request i think that

[4:00:06] Voice 8: would be for the four four units but we're dropping down to two that's the request as well

[4:00:13] Voice 8: yeah i'm not

[4:00:14] Voice 5: sure that you can you could just say no to the two and that

[4:00:18] Voice 7: doesn't trigger anything

[4:00:19] Voice 7: that's

[4:00:20] Voice 5: right yeah but

[4:00:21] Voice 7: we don't have any way of disagreeing with the four no

[4:00:24] Voice 8: i don't think so

[4:00:26] Voice 8: yeah the

[4:00:27] Voice 7: negotiation would be to understand

[4:00:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): anyway david want to make a motion the name

[4:00:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i don't know if there's any disagreement with this is there or is there i'll make the motion

[4:00:40] Trustee Colbourne (probable): uh that the gabriel and local trust committee requested that the regional district amount

[4:00:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): on them by law number 1850 2022 a bylaw to establish school site just in charges to include

[4:00:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): electoral areas being the collection of the charge for all applicable building permits

[4:00:57] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I'll second it for a discussion okay so let's have a discussion I'm struggling with this a little bit

[4:01:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um just because there's so many unanswered questions I've got um what's the timeline

[4:01:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): are

[4:01:13] Voice 7: we we're not under any timeline

[4:01:15] Voice 5: at this point well theoretically we missed the opportunity

[4:01:20] Voice 5: to provide in the early stage of November so at this point the RDM is already doing their

[4:01:28] Voice 5: thing with the two or more dwellings or lots we would be triggered at four so theoretically there's

[4:01:36] Voice 5: no clock ticking if you wanted to defer this and request some

[4:01:43] Voice 8: more information we could

[4:01:46] Voice 8: definitely do that for you i'm relieved about hearing about the secondary suites so could this

[4:01:59] Voice 8: add to the Paisley

[4:02:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Place project, you know, like $24,000, it could be a significant increase.

[4:02:07] Voice 8: That's the point.

[4:02:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Sorry?

[4:02:10] Voice 5: The whole point of this charge is for it to be applied in every case where there'll be more than two or more dwellings or lots that are created.

[4:02:19] Voice 5: So, for example, if there were 24 units of housing created,

[4:02:24] Voice 5: A regional district on the 9-0 building permit referral for 24 units of housing, which is

[4:02:31] Voice 5: what could very well be the case if the GHS application goes forward, they would be charged

[4:02:37] Voice 5: $24,000 likely as part of this charge to go towards the school site acquisition fund.

[4:02:44] Voice 8: Regardless if it's two or four, it's still, this is more of a subdivision than it is a

[4:02:50] Voice 8: building.

[4:02:51] Voice 8: No, we're going to apply in both cases on paper alone, yeah.

[4:02:57] Voice 8: We want something that still permits multiple dwellings on a lot, and that's why we want something additional more than two dwellings.

[4:03:05] Voice 8: So it doesn't affect the pace of the place, basically?

[4:03:08] Voice 8: It makes no changes for pace of the place, because it's awarded for.

[4:03:14] Voice 8: Yeah, the charge would still be applied.

[4:03:16] Voice 8: Yeah, even without this, yeah.

[4:03:18] Voice 8: that's just an example of how it will contribute

[4:03:21] Voice 5: to ensuring adequate schooling options for this

[4:03:27] Voice 8: catchment okay all right

[4:03:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay all right so you're ready to take a vote yeah okay all in favor

[4:03:35] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that passes thanks very much uh we now have the emergency response planning and potential

[4:03:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): ambulance but i think i've had a certain type of information i still don't see anybody

[4:03:47] Trustee Colbourne (probable): everybody on my attendance list I hope that's not a problem but I think you wanted to defer

[4:03:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): this matter because we wanted to gather more information yeah I think um director Craig and

[4:03:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I spoke a little bit on the break we'll um we'll gather more together emergency services and uh

[4:04:06] representatives from the

[4:04:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): trust at the RDM to get some background on the service levels and

[4:04:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the potential presence of problems so we'll get some more information and come back thanks you

[4:04:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): You okay with

[4:04:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that? Okay, then the next one is the herbicides, which I happen to speak to Mr. Earl about, so I know a little bit about, about TELUS using herbicides that they're placed down the hill here. Maybe you don't know about it.

[4:04:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So what happened is TELUS has a switching shed or a utility building on the ferry hill

[4:04:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and a few island residents noted that contractors for TELUS use the herbicide

[4:04:45] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and put up signs. The issue is that there's a community water source about 25 meters down slope.

[4:04:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): It feeds quite a few residences, the school pub and the ferry terminal so there's some concerns

[4:04:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): about leaching um and uh so i think the request would be uh perhaps the local trust committee

[4:05:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): through the chair could request the telus provide well monitoring first of all stop using herbicides

[4:05:15] Trustee Colbourne (probable): second of all uh monitor the well into the foreseeable future to ensure that there's no

[4:05:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): do we know what herbicide it was there was around

[4:05:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): roundup amongst others i think you said there was

[4:05:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there was some steve said there was more listed but roundup was the one that like like glycophosphate

[4:05:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): was definitely on this well i know that's a

[4:05:41] Voice 7: problem there because they had horses there

[4:05:43] Voice 7: years ago and it

[4:05:43] Trustee Colbourne (probable): affected the scope of pollution from horses oh for the well you mean yeah yeah

[4:05:50] Voice 8: yeah right

[4:05:50] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and i was unaware that that well serves not only the ferry pub and some houses down that

[4:05:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): way too yeah so so i'll make the motion that the uh chair of the game rule uh ltc um write a letter

[4:06:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to tell us uh one concerns about homicide use and requesting monitoring of the water source

[4:06:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): close to their facility on Grapiola,

[4:06:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): presumably with the property owners approval.

[4:06:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): They'd have to get some resource.

[4:06:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, exactly.

[4:06:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay, so Catherine, how'd you do with that motion?

[4:06:37] Voice 2: That the Grapiola Local Trust Committee

[4:06:40] Voice 2: requests that the chair write a letter to TELUS

[4:06:44] Voice 2: outlining concerns around herbicide use

[4:06:47] Voice 2: close to their facility on Grapiola Island

[4:06:50] Voice 2: and monitor the adjacent well for the foreseeable future?

[4:06:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Does that work for you?

[4:07:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah, it's better than I said.

[4:07:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay.

[4:07:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Are you okay with that?

[4:07:02] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay.

[4:07:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So I don't know who to write on TELUS,

[4:07:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so if anybody can help me with that,

[4:07:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): give me a name, a local name for whoever the regional director

[4:07:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): in this area, help me with the address.

[4:07:14] Trustee Colbourne (probable): But I can work with perhaps the planner or with staff about that

[4:07:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and we'll figure out a letter and write that.

[4:07:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay?

[4:07:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): okay all in favor anything else on that no other than it's a bigger issue yeah yeah the federal

[4:07:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): government's approval yeah exactly uh there's a discussion item for the national marine

[4:07:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): conservation and proposed anchoring sites here i don't know who was i i put it forward i know

[4:07:41] case was

[4:07:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): able to meet with yeah i met with uh james gordon and louis chapman and ted fullerton

[4:07:50] and gaffer and then good meeting they're talking about their

[4:07:53] Voice 7: concern and their request is to extend

[4:07:56] Voice 7: the boundary of

[4:07:58] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the national conservation area to the northern side

[4:08:01] Voice 7: of gabriel up to including

[4:08:03] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the sandwell park we were talking about the beginning of the meeting

[4:08:07] Voice 7: there's something

[4:08:08] Voice 7: there's a lot of fish forage areas there and and sandwell park i mean it's earlier that there's

[4:08:15] Voice 7: actually a new class local wheelgrass not the japanese and so if we can provide some sort of

[4:08:26] Voice 7: support to james gordon and uh about extending the boundary and we need to get support

[4:08:35] i think from us from residents from

[4:08:38] Voice 7: the regional district as well

[4:08:40] Voice 7: I would have to change

[4:08:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the boundary, extend the boundary a bit.

[4:08:45] Voice 7: And from

[4:08:46] Trustee Colbourne (probable): GAFA's perspective, I would love to

[4:08:49] Voice 8: deal with it.

[4:08:53] Voice 8: Because it is a sensitive area.

[4:08:55] Voice 8: It is the beach there.

[4:08:59] Voice 8: And I talked with the shore keepers.

[4:09:08] Voice 7: um yeah i i maybe for next meeting on promotion and that's why about

[4:09:17] Voice 8: putting

[4:09:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): forward the notion

[4:09:19] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that we

[4:09:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): support the extension remind me when we we talked about this when they presented to us a

[4:09:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): trust council there was

[4:09:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): questions about why the boundary where there was we didn't pass a motion

[4:09:34] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and trust council requested to explore because that would be also be a better way to get the

[4:09:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): whole trust council it's a bit there's nothing wrong with the ltc doing it

[4:09:42] Voice 8: they also mentioned

[4:09:51] Trustee Colbourne (probable): why don't we as an ltc put it forward to trust council in september um suggesting that yeah

[4:09:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): suggesting about the boundary being um extended right exactly why don't you do exactly that

[4:10:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): that you can put one of you can write a motion the other can second it and speak to it and just have

[4:10:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): it as a short r d or um uh at trust council yeah why don't you do that and if and if you then want

[4:10:18] Trustee Colbourne (probable): the ltc to endorse that as well we can come back on september 29th does that make sense

[4:10:24] Voice 7: yeah this

[4:10:25] Voice 7: would be requested to extend for Gabriel yeah

[4:10:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): yeah because it comes about does it come to the bottom

[4:10:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): or halfway up here yeah and and and he was quite clear it had started earlier like sort of when

[4:10:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): they first did this further south of that yeah and had sort of and it's a bit arbitrary where they

[4:10:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): draw a line um and they stopped it because is that right oh that well there you go okay so i don't

[4:10:54] Trustee Colbourne (probable): think you need a motion yeah you just can do that well we want you to do something too but we can't

[4:10:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): What do you want me to do if

[4:11:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): you tell me what you would like me to do and i'll do it but

[4:11:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I don't know what it is you want me to do I thought you two were going to bring the

[4:11:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): motion.

[4:11:08] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah certainly.

[4:11:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I mean if you want me to put it on the well no you write it because I mean I hope it should

[4:11:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): be I think that coming from the LTC would be better than coming from the executive.

[4:11:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yeah.

[4:11:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay uh climate change update uh any reports from either of you on climate change updates

[4:11:28] Trustee Colbourne (probable): there are some active transportation grant potential funding programs for infrastructure

[4:11:33] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and i'll be following up on some of those to see if the very village

[4:11:39] Trustee Colbourne (probable): proposal could meet some of the requirements for that i know those

[4:11:44] Voice 8: as well okay

[4:11:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): um anything from you uh i don't i don't there's a lot going on but i can't honestly think of

[4:11:55] Trustee Colbourne (probable): anything specific uh and we've got we've talked about the first nations relationship building

[4:12:00] Trustee Colbourne (probable): thank you for both of you for your work and thank you for representing the local trust committee i

[4:12:05] Trustee Colbourne (probable): think with your we're both there for the presentation that was uh really great i'm

[4:12:11] Trustee Colbourne (probable): glad that i was sorry i couldn't we have the trust conservancy report um that is uh that is here uh

[4:12:21] Trustee Colbourne (probable): are there any issues that arise out of that i'll just tell you that we had our liaison meeting

[4:12:26] Trustee Colbourne (probable): with the i would say the executive committee um earlier this month uh it's an interesting

[4:12:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): conversation we have how can we work together better how can we work better

[4:12:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i reiterated my point of view that the conservancy should try and make an effort to come out to an

[4:12:42] Trustee Colbourne (probable): lgc meeting at least once every two years if our at minimum once a term kind of just sort of comment

[4:12:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): raise the flag come and tell us what they're working on how they're impacting the island

[4:12:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): because we don't have, I mean these reports are great and the Heron is even better and

[4:13:01] Trustee Colbourne (probable): if you don't distribute the Heron, I think to your community it's a better, it's a much more

[4:13:07] Trustee Colbourne (probable): engaging publication than these. But they really should come to the LTCs and report out and sort

[4:13:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): of give a presentation of what they're working on and how it impacts the island. I mean there's a

[4:13:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): lot going on in gabriola with the conservancy as far as i know i mean they're saturn island

[4:13:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): they're not never quite sure what the status of that is um i think they're still working on the

[4:13:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): developing management plan over there um which they now do they own it or do they have they

[4:13:36] Trustee Colbourne (probable): have the um

[4:13:38] Voice 8: but

[4:13:41] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we have the conservation covenant is that the way it's working i always get confused

[4:13:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): whether we own it and have a conservation coming to someone else or whether somebody else owns it

[4:13:48] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we have the conservation management i think we have the management and conservation company

[4:13:53] Trustee Colbourne (probable): so uh but they're working on that the last i heard was eight months ago that they were working on

[4:13:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): developing the management plan with the first nation with the systemic and that was in the

[4:14:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): process so um but the other thing is obviously they're working on it as well and they have

[4:14:10] Trustee Colbourne (probable): they're developing a their three-year management plan uh right now trying to think what else they

[4:14:17] Trustee Colbourne (probable): told us in the meeting and i honestly can't remember um so anyway that's all i have to say

[4:14:25] Trustee Colbourne (probable): about that anything questions there's nothing we have the applications report any questions related

[4:14:30] Trustee Colbourne (probable): to the applications uh report nothing uh we have there was another defense report we have our doctor

[4:14:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): policies and standard resolutions uh we've already had a long conversation about our top priorities

[4:14:44] Trustee Colbourne (probable): and projects but I don't think we need to talk about that any longer um so unless there's

[4:14:49] Trustee Colbourne (probable): nothing else I'm going to just announce that our next regular meeting is scheduled here

[4:14:52] Trustee Colbourne (probable): for September the 29th um I've rated this location is there anything else trustees before

[4:14:59] Trustee Colbourne (probable): we go into our closed meeting no okay thank you very much for sticking with us and I'm

[4:15:04] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Can I have a motion to close the meeting?

[4:15:06] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I have a motion to close the meeting.

[4:15:09] Trustee Colbourne (probable): I have to read it.

[4:15:12] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And Catherine, you should have a copy of the meeting

[4:15:16] Trustee Colbourne (probable): be closed to the public in accordance with blah, blah, blah.

[4:15:20] Trustee Colbourne (probable): You've got a copy

[4:15:21] Voice 2: of that motion?

[4:15:22] Voice 2: Yes, I do.

[4:15:23] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Okay.

[4:15:24] Trustee Colbourne (probable): So we'll just take it that Trustee Colbert read that out.

[4:15:27] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Yep.

[4:15:29] Trustee Colbourne (probable): And thank you for joining us.

[4:15:31] Trustee Colbourne (probable): Anybody who's on our live stream,

[4:15:32] Trustee Colbourne (probable): i'm going to stop the recording and stop the live streaming and uh uh thank you for joining us bye

[4:15:38] Trustee Colbourne (probable): bye susan and uh thank you and we'll see you at the end of september

[4:15:54] Voice 8: i'm on the i'm so excited