Denman Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, April 4, 2023

[0:00:00] Voice 11: away thank you okay we are

[0:00:33] Voice 3: um we're good to go thank

[0:00:36] Trustee Maude (probable): you well okay good morning everybody

[0:00:38] Trustee Maude (probable): thank you for joining us today for this regular meeting

[0:00:40] Trustee Maude (probable): i want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today in

[0:00:46] locations across the traditional territory the coast salish people i'm david martin

[0:00:50] on

[0:00:51] Trustee Maude (probable): main island and chair of the denman island local trust committee i'm joined by the denman

[0:00:55] Trustee Maude (probable): and our local trustees, David Graham and Sam Orthrup.

[0:00:58] Trustee Maude (probable): Together, we make it the Devon Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:01] Trustee Maude (probable): This meeting is being live streamed and recorded

[0:01:03] Trustee Maude (probable): for those who are unable to attend in person today.

[0:01:05] Trustee Maude (probable): If the live stream becomes unstable due to limited connectivity,

[0:01:09] Trustee Maude (probable): we will end the stream and activate recording only.

[0:01:12] Trustee Maude (probable): The recording will be posted to the Island's Trust website

[0:01:15] for future viewing.

[0:01:17] Trustee Maude (probable): We have some staff members joining us today.

[0:01:19] Trustee Maude (probable): We have Renee Jermaine.

[0:01:21] Trustee Maude (probable): I totally goof up your name every time.

[0:01:25] Trustee Maude (probable): um who's a regional planning manager for islands trust vicky bookman is our meditator warren

[0:01:30] Trustee Maude (probable): dingman which i guess is joining us later um he's our bio enforcement compliance manager

[0:01:35] marissa chadwick is our and i'm planning with a regional planning team for housing here today um

[0:01:42] we also have planner stephen bow who was joined by zoom to present his staff report later on today

[0:01:47] Trustee Maude (probable): with the meeting as we'll do this office from vancouver university we'll present the report

[0:01:53] Trustee Maude (probable): for the deminan local housing project this meeting is an official forum for your local

[0:01:58] Trustee Maude (probable): trust committee to make decisions about land use planning and matters to discuss relevant business

[0:02:02] Trustee Maude (probable): i want to add that this is a place of employment despite the fact many staff are in their own

[0:02:08] Trustee Maude (probable): homes our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace um which i don't think

[0:02:12] Trustee Maude (probable): an issue here anyhow we'll have the audience oh we have more people so so margaret

[0:02:21] Voice 11: thank you

[0:02:23] Trustee Maude (probable): because i never needed that right so we we are we have a plethora of people here today

[0:02:29] Trustee Maude (probable): so um we'll just uh we have the agenda before us um are there any additions or corrections agenda

[0:02:38] agenda so by consent uh

[0:02:40] Trustee Graham (probable): oh sorry i just want to slip in an opportunity to have a short conversation

[0:02:45] Trustee Graham (probable): about a community meeting that sam and i would like to have a friendly chat not a structured

[0:02:50] Trustee Graham (probable): meeting and a small budget request okay

[0:02:53] Trustee Maude (probable): so we're going to do this maybe into this minute

[0:02:57] Trustee Maude (probable): okay so under 11.3 uh

[0:03:01] Voice 11: community chat so by consent we will approve the agenda as

[0:03:10] amended perfect all right so we can get right into the fun stuff

[0:03:15] uh with the trustee reports so who wants to go

[0:03:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): first i think david should this time

[0:03:22] Trustee Graham (probable): well um it's been quiet since our last meeting as far as my responsibility as a trustee

[0:03:27] Trustee Graham (probable): um contrary to popular understanding i do look at social media i don't often post

[0:03:37] don't find a very useful place to have conversations but i read everything

[0:03:41] um just so that just wanted that in the public record other than that i'm looking forward to

[0:03:46] this meeting especially with our housing review and uh very very honest uh yeah i have been busy

[0:03:56] uh in with my many hats but as a trustee as well i've been uh liaising with the fac

[0:04:03] fairy advisory commission um we have a new chair karen ross from hornby uh and there's been a lot

[0:04:09] of discussion obviously gravity bay was a big thing that's been happening this year we're all

[0:04:13] aware of um and the fac has been looking at that very carefully um we're trying to put pressure on

[0:04:20] pc theories where we can uh to get some changes made because we need that uh and uh i mean

[0:04:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yesterday just happened yesterday i was in with the trust programs committee so i had a meeting

[0:04:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yesterday for that um looking at approving funding for various bodies that the trust supports through

[0:04:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the secretariat services um and i think it was a it was a good discussion um but yeah so i always

[0:04:43] Trustee Borthwick (probable): get trust programs committee always comes exactly just before these meetings so i always get two

[0:04:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): agendas at once which is fun um and yeah i was going to talk david and i want to talk about

[0:04:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): having community meetings but we'll get to that later um and i wanted to um not for this meeting

[0:05:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but at some point this is more for us but um we have in the past the town hall happened later in

[0:05:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the meeting which allowed people to reflect on what had happened um business we don't have to

[0:05:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): adjust that necessarily for today but i wanted to bring it up um i also know that sometimes people

[0:05:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): don't have time to stay for the whole meeting so it may be that it's potentially possible to have

[0:05:21] it uh both before and after give people a chance for some public comment having heard what's been

[0:05:27] set too um but i think that would be a good thing to do no and certainly in southern ireland we do

[0:05:34] Trustee Maude (probable): yeah begin and end the meetings with with twitter so that would be good i'm sure that they're taking

[0:05:40] Trustee Maude (probable): notes and yeah

[0:05:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and i'm looking very much forward to looking at the housing housing pieces and the

[0:05:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): bylaw enforcement is going to be significant today so thank you well from my perspective of the

[0:05:54] the renee i um had a rather positive meeting with kelly meeting with bc ferries over um the ferry

[0:06:03] terminal expansion tree cutting all the horrible things that they were going to do and they were

[0:06:11] quite good

[0:06:11] Trustee Maude (probable): about saying that they will do community consultations um i think it was two

[0:06:16] Trustee Maude (probable): days later that they announced that they were stopping the project and and going to go into

[0:06:21] a full community consultation so we appreciate that um i just i sort of undertook that meeting

[0:06:28] because down south i'm a chair of the uh the southern alabama's um very advisory committee so

[0:06:36] we tried to sort of pull that friendly relationship and say

[0:06:39] Trustee Maude (probable): look you guys are going to

[0:06:41] Trustee Maude (probable): relook at things um otherwise you know we went to trust council we approved a budget that made

[0:06:48] Trustee Maude (probable): made some people happy and some people not happy,

[0:06:50] Trustee Maude (probable): which I guess is what you're supposed to do.

[0:06:55] There's so much happening with the trust.

[0:06:57] We have 26 really good trustees, these guys very much included.

[0:07:04] And hopefully over the next few years,

[0:07:06] there's going to be a lot of positive things accomplished

[0:07:11] because there's not the head-putting anymore.

[0:07:13] There's people sitting around the table wanting to have conversations.

[0:07:17] one of the things that happened last trust council with two trustees from from from salisbury who are

[0:07:25] not necessarily aligned and and on one issue at the trust table at the trust council table

[0:07:31] they butted heads like they it was hatfields mccoy's like they totally disagreed they dealt

[0:07:37] with that motion they debated the next motion they were sitting side by side leaning over a laptop

[0:07:43] talk they're discussing how they wanted to proceed that's how this trust council is working as you

[0:07:48] know is it sometimes we don't all agree but you know

[0:07:51] Trustee Maude (probable): we're all working together so it's it's good

[0:07:54] Trustee Maude (probable): um i'm happy back and then on a beautiful day and look forward to a good meeting thank you very much

[0:08:03] so we move from there um intellectual director's report who i assume is not attending so

[0:08:11] we can move on to public comments

[0:08:15] Trustee Maude (probable): which i assume is our town hall meeting so if anybody has any

[0:08:19] Trustee Maude (probable): questions to ask you raise your hands um just when you're selected just uh give your name so the

[0:08:25] Trustee Maude (probable): recording secretary knows who you are for the minutes and we'll go so woman in the striped shirt

[0:08:45] Voice 7: i have written this out because i would like something done this meeting so and i'll take

[0:08:53] Voice 7: this off so you can actually hear me um today's ltc meeting could directly address community

[0:08:58] Voice 7: concerns which are not on and likely never will be on the agenda local trustees will not have

[0:09:05] Voice 7: another opportunity to discuss local issues for another two months if ever so first given bc

[0:09:12] Voice 7: ferry's plan to double traffic across denmark island to formby island given the impact of

[0:09:18] Voice 7: increased traffic on the community environment and climate change please pass a motion addressing

[0:09:24] Voice 7: addressing, addressed to the Premier and the Minister of Transportation requesting the

[0:09:29] Voice 7: creation of a separate ferry connecting Moody Island and Vancouver Island.

[0:09:34] Voice 7: The Ferry Advisory Committee is talking to the Fox.

[0:09:38] Voice 7: Their mandate is to move vehicles and move cars, move, sorry, and people.

[0:09:46] Voice 7: They are going to twiddle things, they are going to distract, but who really is making

[0:09:51] Voice 7: the decisions who sets the mandates for fares is the premier and the minister of transportation

[0:09:58] Voice 7: they're the ones who have to hear a voice coming from the local trust community which has been

[0:10:03] Voice 7: silent so far but again you haven't met with second given the prohibition on the purchase

[0:10:09] Voice 7: of residential property by non-canadians that's the bill that was introduced across canada does

[0:10:15] Voice 7: does not apply to the islands in the trust area,

[0:10:19] Voice 7: please pass a motion urging the Islands Trust

[0:10:21] Voice 7: Executive Committee to protest this exclusion,

[0:10:25] Voice 7: which will add pressure for real estate sales

[0:10:28] Voice 7: for port time and investment purposes

[0:10:30] Voice 7: and subsequently impact housing costs

[0:10:34] Voice 7: and availability on islands such as Denman.

[0:10:37] Voice 7: And the third one is please discuss reversing the policy

[0:10:41] Voice 7: where in trustees remain anonymous in the meeting of minutes instead ask the recorder

[0:10:48] Voice 7: note the mover of the motions the second and how each trustee voted if the vote is not unanimous

[0:10:55] Voice 7: thank you this is where i trip

[0:10:58] Trustee Maude (probable): thank

[0:10:59] Voice 7: you so

[0:11:01] Trustee Maude (probable): one question for you

[0:11:03] Trustee Maude (probable): with your last point is is that at the local trust meetings or is that the trust council

[0:11:09] Trustee Maude (probable): in both

[0:11:09] Trustee Maude (probable): but i

[0:11:10] Voice 7: can ask that of the trust council right now okay

[0:11:14] Trustee Maude (probable): thank you

[0:11:14] Voice 7: all

[0:11:16] Trustee Maude (probable): right um renee

[0:11:20] Voice 3: it's rihanna

[0:11:21] Trustee Maude (probable): no

[0:11:22] Voice 3: worries it's okay it's a funny name i'm

[0:11:24] Trustee Maude (probable): from main island i'm not so smart so

[0:11:27] Voice 3: um thank you uh i i would like to speak to you about new business item 11.2

[0:11:33] Voice 3: uh the head of bylaw enforcement is looking for bylaw enforcement notification amendments

[0:11:37] Voice 3: The entire BEM bylaw was repeatedly and vociferously rejected by the Denman Island community starting in 2011.

[0:11:45] Voice 3: Specific objections are against how the BEM treats housing on Denman.

[0:11:50] Voice 3: Somehow the BEM was passed in 2019 when it received first, second, and third reading in one meeting

[0:11:56] Voice 3: with very little prior notice given to the community of Denman Island who objects to the BEM.

[0:12:02] Voice 3: Somehow it passed.

[0:12:03] Voice 3: page 121 of today's agenda states that there is a new added contravention for failure to permit

[0:12:11] Voice 3: an inspection in the amended schedule a because the ban involves enforcement of housing rules that

[0:12:17] Voice 3: are under review we're reviewing them right now the housing consultation because much of the ban

[0:12:23] Voice 3: goes against clearly stated community values of housing because the ban may contravene the human

[0:12:29] Voice 3: right to adequate housing through finding landowners for providing people access to

[0:12:33] Voice 3: their human rights and because our community has previously strongly opposed it the demon housing

[0:12:40] Voice 3: demon island housing action group asks that you refer these proposed amendments and discussion

[0:12:45] Voice 3: about the future of the van enforcement system to the housing apc for discussion and consideration

[0:12:51] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:12:52] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:12:53] Voice 3: Hi.

[0:12:56] Trustee Maude (probable): Anybody else?

[0:12:58] Trustee Maude (probable): Oh, others like you, sir.

[0:12:59] Trustee Maude (probable): So.

[0:13:03] Voice 8: My name is Donna Bannister, and I just have a question.

[0:13:08] Voice 8: I've been trying to figure out what the housing review is actually trying to do.

[0:13:16] Voice 8: There's kind of a vague thing about, yeah, we'll suggest bylaw changes, but I've heard

[0:13:22] Voice 8: some things that imply that there are goals in it that the housing review is trying to

[0:13:26] Voice 8: i don't understand um so i know you've got something coming up in a few minutes um and

[0:13:33] Voice 8: i'll hear a bit that's a report of what's been done i'm wondering about what is the eventual

[0:13:39] Voice 8: goal of the housing review it's going to take a long time and i'd like to know what the goal is

[0:13:47] Voice 8: so can you answer that well

[0:13:50] Trustee Maude (probable): i'm going to chat with you is that sort of something you want to

[0:13:53] Voice 10: Um, I, I can and say, um, so housing is on, uh, the agenda, uh, this was started, uh, April 1st

[0:14:04] Voice 10: and I've been assigned to the project. So we're at the very beginning of the project,

[0:14:09] Voice 10: so we haven't identified the goals yet. So, um, this will be happening quickly. Um, I mean,

[0:14:16] Voice 10: I've got the advantage of, um, having worked with main island and, um, moving their housing

[0:14:24] Voice 10: We've also then just recently had a colleague come back from a period of time to do some extensive research on all of the work that's been done over the last 30 years for all of them, all of the islands.

[0:14:35] Voice 10: So I'm able to come into this project with that background.

[0:14:39] Voice 10: i'm going to look

[0:14:40] Voice 11: forward to my position okay okay

[0:14:44] Voice 8: and um there is a presentation from the

[0:14:49] Voice 8: delegation they've done a lot of research on the last 20 years so that might be of use to you as

[0:14:57] Voice 8: well yeah okay

[0:14:58] Trustee Graham (probable): trustee graham if i may just add some background so um the regulations and the and

[0:15:04] Trustee Graham (probable): the uh policies in our official community plan are ours they belong to the community they were

[0:15:12] Trustee Graham (probable): developed by community members who sat around and discussed and and worked those rules and policies

[0:15:19] Trustee Graham (probable): that was a long time ago um prior even to 2008 i believe and so it behooves the community to have

[0:15:28] Trustee Graham (probable): an opportunity occasionally to review are they still well enough did we miss something did we

[0:15:35] go too far here did we not go far enough there so that's that's why the local trust committee

[0:15:40] the

[0:15:40] Trustee Graham (probable): previous local trust committee asked for a bunch of money to have a housing policy and

[0:15:45] Trustee Graham (probable): regulation review and this is the first opportunity for this local trust committee to see what

[0:15:50] Trustee Graham (probable): consultant who asked the community in their in their special way because of coveted various

[0:15:56] issues what what we are going to see today so that's

[0:16:01] Voice 8: it okay um i just hope it ends up

[0:16:05] Voice 8: getting people homes i know too many that don't have proper homes they don't have stable homes

[0:16:11] Voice 8: they don't have homes so yeah i hope it happens something and these are

[0:16:16] Voice 8: people by the way they

[0:16:17] Voice 8: are on denman not people that want to come here

[0:16:20] Voice 11: by

[0:16:21] Voice 8: definition that is the goal

[0:16:23] Voice 11: thank you thank

[0:16:25] Voice 8: you the back

[0:16:27] Voice 11: me that's you

[0:16:31] Voice 4: you

[0:16:32] Trustee Maude (probable): can do it from you can yell you can do whatever you want all right

[0:16:34] Trustee Maude (probable): you're pretty quiet

[0:16:43] Voice 4: um my name is lindsey harrison i've been on denman now for coming up on six years

[0:16:48] Voice 4: I just haven't found out about this meeting this morning and I've gotten an email a couple days

[0:16:52] Voice 4: ago and hadn't realized it was today so I am not really prepared but I am here to talk from

[0:16:58] Voice 4: people's place of not yeah what's happening where are we going my background is in social work I

[0:17:04] Voice 4: did 20 years working on housing for people in Nanaimo and various communities South Island

[0:17:09] Voice 4: and I'm going to be a crier today I'm sorry this is a touchy subject so long story

[0:17:14] Voice 20: short I've been

[0:17:14] Voice 20: 20

[0:17:14] Voice 4: years of working in the field of trying to find

[0:17:16] Voice 4: a little housing and it's just been exhausting

[0:17:18] Voice 4: watching people. I burnt out from social work

[0:17:20] Voice 4: had to do a major change in my life

[0:17:22] Voice 4: and step forward into an arena. I landed

[0:17:24] Voice 4: on Denver without even meaning to.

[0:17:26] Voice 4: I thought, holy shit, this is it.

[0:17:28] Voice 4: This is the place I'm meant to be. This is the place I can be

[0:17:30] Voice 4: a part of something and contribute and love

[0:17:32] Voice 4: and, you know, give it back without

[0:17:34] Voice 4: having to be in fight for it all the time.

[0:17:37] Voice 4: So fast forward, I find myself

[0:17:38] Voice 4: in a position now where I can't find

[0:17:40] Voice 4: housing. I have lived on Denver now for

[0:17:42] Voice 4: six years and I have done

[0:17:43] Voice 4: I'm supporting people while they're dying.

[0:17:45] Voice 4: I have worked in a guest house.

[0:17:47] Voice 4: I have volunteered.

[0:17:48] Voice 4: I've got children that I love.

[0:17:50] Voice 4: I retrained to be a paramedic.

[0:17:52] Voice 4: I'm working at the ambulance station.

[0:17:53] Voice 4: I drive the school bus.

[0:17:55] Voice 4: And I'm in a motorhome that's 40 years old.

[0:17:57] Voice 4: And I've got no choice.

[0:17:58] Voice 4: I feel trapped.

[0:18:02] Voice 11: You got this, too.

[0:18:04] Voice 20: So for many years, I was under their sun.

[0:18:07] Voice 20: I thought I understood it.

[0:18:08] Voice 20: I thought I could see and understand how hard it was to not have a choice.

[0:18:17] Voice 20: so in the sense of feeling powerless right

[0:18:20] Voice 4: not having choice and i always had choice before

[0:18:22] Voice 4: because i didn't recognize until you don't have it what it feels like to feel like you're fighting

[0:18:26] Voice 4: this battle it's exhausting and so what had happened is i spent two and a half weeks up

[0:18:35] Voice 4: in port mcneil working at the ambulance station up there because they were needing staff

[0:18:39] Voice 4: i just came back on friday but when i was up there i had this sense of holy crankies okay

[0:18:44] Voice 4: this is maybe achievable for me maybe I need to relocate one more time this is affordable I can

[0:18:51] Voice 4: actually maybe make this happen it's going to be an absolute stretch but I want to be a part of the

[0:18:56] Voice 4: solution I want a home where I can have foster dogs where I can have I've thought about having

[0:19:01] Voice 4: a palliative care bed in my home but I can't even achieve any of the things I want to do in this

[0:19:05] Voice 4: space I'm in a 26 foot water home and there's no choice here there's no choice and if I choose to

[0:19:11] Voice 4: go to a rental if I

[0:19:12] Voice 4: put my feelers out for that anything I'm saving towards that I historically

[0:19:15] Voice 4: put aside is gone I'm stuck with no choice and so I was I went to the department yesterday to

[0:19:24] Voice 4: look at housing just to see to feel like I had something right but I come back here and I'm

[0:19:30] Voice 4: engaged in this community I look around I think what a beautiful space to be and I don't want to

[0:19:34] Voice 4: leave here there's no part of me that wants to leave I feel like I found where I need to be

[0:19:39] Voice 4: but I don't have a choice I feel powerless so what do you do with that right and I don't want

[0:19:43] Voice 4: to beg I'm not going to force people I'm not going to you know and I can't I can't stand

[0:19:46] Voice 4: here and advocate anymore I can't participate in this arena I can't it's exhausting I did for 20

[0:19:51] Voice 4: years around tables for people who had way less than I did and I can't imagine what people are

[0:19:55] Voice 4: experiencing I watch it on the news and I'm like when does something change in the bigger picture

[0:20:00] Voice 4: when does something happen right and it's yeah so I was here as the person to fucking grab and be

[0:20:05] Voice 4: that person but I don't know what else to do where else do we do something different so I you know

[0:20:11] Voice 4: whatever this is the situation we're facing and I'm trying to do positive attitude and continue

[0:20:17] Voice 4: to overcome and just no no look on the bright side hey you're better off than lots of other

[0:20:21] Voice 4: people no no just keep overcoming just keep you just it's exhausting and again I've got a lot

[0:20:25] Voice 4: more support a lot more resiliency than other people and I'm done I am absolutely exhausted

[0:20:30] Voice 4: exhausted so what do people do how do we fix this so I came here today because I

[0:20:35] Voice 1: was asked I was

[0:20:35] Voice 1: talking about

[0:20:36] Voice 4: my experience of being in Port McNeil Mickey was like oh hold on a second Lindsay you

[0:20:40] Voice 4: should come today and tell your story I'm like promptly cry before the people were experiencing

[0:20:45] Voice 4: this you know I retrained to work with the ambulance here to be a part of my community

[0:20:49] Voice 4: to contribute to something real and I can't you know I don't shower at my house I've got a hose

[0:20:54] Voice 4: and a pallet I don't I can't go to places to do laundry I have to conserve my water I can't grow

[0:20:59] Voice 4: or a garden because there's not enough water at our place and I don't have any choice where's my

[0:21:04] Voice 4: choice right I've contributed my entire life so what do we do with that I don't

[0:21:10] Voice 1: know and I know

[0:21:10] Voice 4: I'm not the only person there's a lot of people that don't have the strength to stand here and

[0:21:13] Voice 4: tell their story you know and I'm not saying I'm so you know but there's a lot of people that want

[0:21:17] Voice 4: to stand here but don't have and don't feel heard and why continue to beat a dead horse

[0:21:23] Voice 4: right it just that's what it feels like so that's my story um thank you for your patience

[0:21:27] Voice 4: this understanding of that um I don't think there's anything else that I've missed yeah

[0:21:32] Voice 4: I don't know I don't know what the solution is I yeah I can yeah that's all thank you

[0:21:37] Voice 4: thank you very

[0:21:42] Voice 11: much thank you hi

[0:21:48] Voice 14: everyone my name is Sophia this is Ari I also didn't know

[0:21:53] Voice 14: about this meeting until about half an hour ago and I don't have a time to say it but I

[0:21:56] Voice 14: didn't want to say something um because I also feel like I do have I am in the position where

[0:22:02] Voice 14: I can get up here and speak as a lot of people in my position can't or don't feel comfortable and

[0:22:07] Voice 14: I was born on Dunman um 27 years ago I was born here my parents had a property that they bought

[0:22:17] Voice 14: for a grand that's now worth two million um I'm lucky enough to have semi-stable housing

[0:22:25] Voice 14: I work in the non-profit field with people who don't have housing I spent many years in Vancouver

[0:22:34] Voice 14: hoover not having housing and i came here to raise my daughter in the place where i was born

[0:22:41] Voice 14: and i look around and i see a beautiful island with enough space to comfortably house everyone

[0:22:49] Voice 14: who wants to live here and everybody who has lived here for decades and i also look around

[0:22:55] Voice 14: and i see seniors living in their cars i see seniors living in places with no plumbing

[0:23:02] Voice 14: plumbing and no electricity struggling to stay warm and these people have lived here for 30 years

[0:23:11] Voice 14: and they worked on denman for 30 years and i see people moving here from vancouver buying

[0:23:17] Voice 14: million dollar homes and it's not right i would love to buy a home here and i work two jobs that

[0:23:29] Voice 14: pay me 30 an hour i'm looking to go to trade school to make even more money and i'm hopeful

[0:23:34] Voice 14: but in reality like even that is probably not going to be enough as a single mom and that's sad

[0:23:43] Voice 14: like we should be able to live here and feel safe and I feel like I speak for at least half

[0:23:50] Voice 14: the island when I say that I live here and I don't feel safe in my housing and I don't feel

[0:23:59] Voice 14: like that's what Denman should be like that's not what Denman used to be like when I was a kid

[0:24:05] Voice 14: poor people felt secure in their housing and now even non-poor people don't feel secure in their

[0:24:14] Voice 14: housing i don't i i make enough money that i feel like i shouldn't qualify as being poor

[0:24:21] Voice 14: and that's all i have to say

[0:24:22] Voice 11: thank you very much

[0:24:31] Voice 11: is there anyone else or my last one

[0:24:43] Voice 11: Hi, I'm Joy Lacey.

[0:24:50] Voice 5: I was really disappointed when Pepper Lane didn't happen. I tried to

[0:25:00] Voice 5: do a bettis. I joined the fundraising, which didn't last very long. I guess I got in there

[0:25:05] Voice 5: over the last summer, I could never get anything solid on what was happening, nor on what happened

[0:25:14] Voice 5: at the end. My living situation is that I consider myself to be extremely fortunate in that I live

[0:25:21] Voice 5: in a cabin. I can keep it warm, waterproof, in the back of my daughter's property.

[0:25:29] Voice 5: i'm 75 years old i don't know how long i can uh continue to haul out my slot buckets

[0:25:38] Voice 5: um carrying water in the middle of winter in the middle of summer when it's not coming through its

[0:25:44] Voice 5: little spray thing um outhouse firewood um i was trying to grow a bit of garden and some flowers

[0:25:56] Voice 5: And that's a full-time job, is maintaining.

[0:26:00] Voice 5: And I was thinking, when that came, I was going to put myself on the waiting list.

[0:26:06] Voice 5: And maybe when I was about 85, my turn would come and I'd sit down there and I'd see...

[0:26:12] Voice 5: I don't have a panorama. I live in the woods, right?

[0:26:17] Voice 5: I don't have a panorama and audit colours.

[0:26:20] Voice 5: colors. And so I was extremely disappointed because I was, I was

[0:26:26] Voice 5: visualizing the positivity. That means building up expectations.

[0:26:33] Voice 5: So all I really wanted to say is my personal experience. What I'm

[0:26:37] Voice 5: focusing on now is the fact that I'll probably be living in this

[0:26:40] Voice 5: cabin until I die.

[0:26:43] Voice 11: And so I'm

[0:26:50] Voice 5: also extremely fortunate in my

[0:26:52] Voice 5: health and agility compared to a lot of people who are facing the same thing or living in the same

[0:26:58] Voice 5: kind of houses right now

[0:27:00] Voice 17: thanks

[0:27:01] Voice 5: you know

[0:27:06] Voice 11: we're second to last yeah

[0:27:07] Voice 8: just i

[0:27:09] Voice 11: won't say much um

[0:27:10] Voice 8: my name is

[0:27:10] Voice 10: um i think this housing issue is obviously incredibly important

[0:27:18] Voice 10: i think it's incredibly important that the islanders trust and less on all its bureaucrats

[0:27:23] Voice 10: i hate to say it and and really work on that and becoming more efficient because i personally

[0:27:29] Voice 10: consider the islands trust to be one of the most inefficient organizations there are including all

[0:27:33] Voice 10: our governments which are also incredibly inefficient but the structure and the use of our

[0:27:38] Voice 10: money is not going to the right place and that's that's the major thing that i wanted to say and

[0:27:45] Voice 10: also that we will have to do rainwater harvesting on this island if we want to increase the number

[0:27:49] Voice 10: of habitations because our water levels are going down every year and it's becoming a crisis

[0:28:01] Voice 11: my

[0:28:10] Voice 6: name is laura thompson i am a nine-year resident of denman island i'm part of a family

[0:28:16] Voice 6: group that's lucky to own property here and i've printed out what i'm going to say today to keep

[0:28:21] Voice 6: the time short and make sure i don't lose track i am here to speak to the bylaw enforcement request

[0:28:26] Voice 6: for the right to find a property owner if they refuse access on demand with no notice to the

[0:28:33] Voice 6: bylaw enforcement officers who often show up in pairs here are some relevant stats regarding the

[0:28:38] Voice 6: demographics for people who would be on the receiving end of this over 50 percent of our

[0:28:43] Voice 6: populations over the age of 60 a third are a third are women over the age of 60 a significantly high

[0:28:50] Voice 6: number of single women and senior single women live alone or possibly with someone living on

[0:28:56] Voice 6: their land we have 55 single parents 40 are women we also have a very high poverty rate our median

[0:29:03] Voice 6: after tax income is roughly 30 000 and lower for women many owners particularly older folks

[0:29:09] Voice 6: are land rich and cash poor considering our vulnerable population i am extremely concerned

[0:29:15] Voice 6: about the harmful consequences many of these people would experience when faced with this

[0:29:20] Voice 6: fine first it means someone would be forced to allow a couple of strangers onto their property

[0:29:24] Voice 6: under threat of fine with no notice regardless of their current state or circumstances

[0:29:29] Voice 6: leaving them in a situation with significant power imbalance many will not understand their rights

[0:29:35] Voice 6: the limitations of bylaw department and the overall situation second if a homeowner was

[0:29:41] Voice 6: fined for refusing to allow bylaw officers access to

[0:29:45] Voice 6: their property or inside spaces

[0:29:47] Voice 6: i would consider that an abuse of power and a violation of provincial directives for bylaw

[0:29:53] Voice 6: enforcement activities which i have confirmed according to bylaw if someone fails to pay fines

[0:30:00] Voice 6: can be placed on the person's property people who offer housing on this island are often in poverty

[0:30:05] Voice 6: and struggling themselves this would result in horrendous consequences for them should a lien

[0:30:11] Voice 6: be placed on their title their house cannot be refinanced sold and they can't access their

[0:30:16] Voice 6: equity another concern is for those who are being housed how do you think it would impact them to

[0:30:22] Voice 6: have strangers show up unannounced demanding access into the personal space people who are

[0:30:27] Voice 6: are living in a meager dwelling already are suffering trying to survive and would feel

[0:30:31] Voice 6: shamed and belittled having two authority figures invade their space a couple of vital officers came

[0:30:37] Voice 6: to my home at 9 a.m with the warning i was just out of the hospital the night before i'm still

[0:30:42] Voice 6: suffering a serious medical condition we were having an appraisal on our house the following

[0:30:46] Voice 6: day and it was very stressful they asked me how many people lived in my house if my septic had a

[0:30:52] Voice 6: permit how big it was how many bathrooms and kitchens were in my house they said if i denied

[0:30:56] Voice 6: denied access to any structures they would have to assume someone was living there with consequences

[0:31:01] Voice 6: to follow how well would most people handle this type of scenario when enforcement officers make

[0:31:06] Voice 6: statements asserting their authority and won't take no for an answer the bylaw inspector asked

[0:31:10] Voice 6: to come inside my house are they allowed to do this i don't know how am i supposed to know what

[0:31:14] Voice 6: the limits are on my property they went around with a camera and measuring tape asking questions

[0:31:19] Voice 6: inspecting every inch of our place how would one of our elders bear in this situation i learned

[0:31:25] Voice 6: later that many of their questions were out of the jurisdiction, people will be intimidated and

[0:31:30] Voice 6: willing to answer any questions asked of them and allow access to anything, feeling as though they

[0:31:35] Voice 6: have no choice. These by-law proposals today are solely for assisting the by-law office in

[0:31:42] Voice 6: enforcement. Not only unnecessary, this fine will disproportionately harm marginalized people,

[0:31:48] Voice 6: as is often the case. When two men came to my house, despite my assertive nature, I felt

[0:31:53] Voice 6: intimidated unsure not knowing my rights or their limitations so for the good of our community i'm

[0:32:00] Voice 6: asking the ltc to please deny the request from the veo's office which would grant more power than the

[0:32:06] Voice 6: police have who are not permitted to enter your property without a warrant or just cause let alone

[0:32:13] Voice 6: inside your home or other structures this is insulting and degrading and i have printed out

[0:32:20] Voice 6: this that I will give you guys it's the laws in relation to this and I'd like to just conclude by

[0:32:25] Voice 6: saying in light of what we've just heard I don't think that bringing in more laws

[0:32:32] Voice 6: or bringing in more fines for things is going to help in any way I think right now we need to step

[0:32:38] Voice 6: away from more micromanaging from the bylaw and look at options because the more restrictions

[0:32:45] Voice 6: are placed it takes away our options and i read through some of the proposals it caught my eye

[0:32:53] Voice 6: parking spaces we have people here who not only don't have a parking space they don't have a

[0:32:58] Voice 6: driveway because people like to live in yours we have people with no hydro and there was something

[0:33:04] Voice 6: in there a fine for not having the proper lighting for your parking space uh there was also something

[0:33:12] Voice 6: in about maintaining a residential appearance now this might make sense for vancouver but anybody

[0:33:18] Voice 6: who's been to the gulf island every single house is completely unique we have crazy artists my

[0:33:23] Voice 6: children like to paint the hydro pole define residential appearance like we're here not to

[0:33:30] Voice 6: hold appearance we're here to live a lifestyle we don't buy houses we buy a life this is very

[0:33:34] Voice 6: different than the city so all of these bylaws proposed i can see how they are reasonable in

[0:33:39] Voice 6: another context not for this so that's all i have to say i don't have enough coffees because i didn't

[0:33:53] Voice 6: know that all of you guys are going to be here so who should i who wants you you guys can make

[0:34:23] Trustee Maude (probable): have one or you were last sorry about that really

[0:34:25] Voice 18: quick um my name is ariel bryan i'm a homeowner on

[0:34:29] Voice 18: denman a couple of things just really quickly i was pleased to see that there was a call for um

[0:34:35] Voice 18: interest in the apc um and i just i'm thrilled about that i i do i'm sure you'll pick a diverse

[0:34:42] Voice 18: crew for your apc just want to reiterate the importance of deliverables um you know we all

[0:34:50] Voice 18: know that there's the fairy advisory committee and we have some experience with that having worked

[0:34:54] Voice 18: with fairies for years i know that the apc has a lot of power and

[0:34:57] Voice 18: so anytime that the uh model that

[0:35:01] Voice 18: i'm referring to with the fairy you know anytime there's anything up they consult the apc and then

[0:35:05] Voice 18: immediately we see action as a result of the families within the apc so you know anything

[0:35:11] Voice 18: regarding the apc i just as a resident and somebody who's a housing advocate i'd love to see

[0:35:15] Voice 18: some movement uh as a result of their work and deliverable movement that has an application on

[0:35:23] Voice 18: the ground and impacts positively um the concerns that we have with regards to housing the other

[0:35:30] Voice 18: thing in terms of deliverables in the apc um recognizing that there's a lot of people who share

[0:35:36] Voice 18: common view around the table around housing um any opportunity for discussing polarities

[0:35:43] Voice 18: i'm sure that will happen within the apc i do want to say that i want to encourage the trust

[0:35:49] Voice 18: to encourage the apc to continue with the public involvement um so anytime there's a stalemate

[0:35:55] Voice 18: anytime there's a imbalance uh where there's some concern just take it to the community and

[0:36:00] Voice 18: have a mechanism for that um i would love to encourage that um and yeah i think that's the

[0:36:09] Voice 18: the biggest thing is just that we need change and you know we talked like we heard lindsey talk

[0:36:13] Voice 18: about you know she's not sure what the solutions are and i think you know being a housing advocate

[0:36:18] Voice 18: for the last 22 years on demin um at minimum i would say that we all the time have been saying

[0:36:25] Voice 18: we just want safety in the existing structures we just want an ability to work on the land that we

[0:36:31] Voice 18: have with the relationships we have with people in the community that exists and you know that

[0:36:36] Voice 18: as a community we're so innovative if we're talking about carrying capacity we have incredible

[0:36:41] Voice 18: innovative ways of managing carrying capacity that doesn't involve enormous um pleasure gardens with

[0:36:49] Voice 18: you know annual flowers it involves like substance uh harvesting of communal gardens and on and on

[0:36:56] Voice 18: and on water collection uh black water gray water toileting composting whatever it is that we're

[0:37:03] Voice 18: to do as a community that makes us unique and fantastic and the reason why people want to be

[0:37:06] Voice 18: there we're just going to a new school for the little ones our school is thriving and still

[0:37:12] Voice 18: there we have incredible teachers we have the doctor we have all sorts of infrastructure your

[0:37:16] Voice 18: team and it's worth investing in this community in a way that's going to keep us alive and vibrant

[0:37:21] Voice 18: and diverse thank you all right that's it

[0:37:30] Trustee Maude (probable): all right so we'll move on to delegations

[0:37:35] the first

[0:37:36] allegation we have here

[0:37:37] is in regards to engagement

[0:37:40] surveys and disinfection

[0:37:45] Trustee Maude (probable): I'll just say engagement surveys

[0:37:47] Trustee Maude (probable): I

[0:37:48] Voice 7: think you're going to probably say

[0:37:49] Voice 7: it's disinfection

[0:37:50] Trustee Maude (probable): there you see

[0:37:52] Trustee Maude (probable): the people down there are much smarter than the people from Maine

[0:37:54] Voice 7: well I love it

[0:37:56] Voice 7: so I'm spreading home

[0:37:58] Voice 7: my hot chocolate toast again

[0:38:01] Voice 7: essentially

[0:38:03] Voice 7: I

[0:38:03] Voice 7: I raise a series of questions because I have concerns about bylaws 228 and 229 that look at agricultural land designated parcels and basically have a number of changes in the community plan and the land use bylaws that will effectively double the density on those properties, regardless of whether or not they're formed.

[0:38:34] Voice 7: but it's all done under one implementation, the farm plan.

[0:38:39] Voice 7: So in other words,

[0:38:40] Voice 7: if you're calling something in support of farmers,

[0:38:43] Voice 7: it'd be really nice to see if it was in support of farmers.

[0:38:47] Voice 7: So I asked a series of questions

[0:38:49] Voice 7: and I got some responses from our planner.

[0:38:51] Voice 7: One was that the community concern around water

[0:38:54] Voice 7: and septic capacity had now been addressed.

[0:38:57] Voice 7: And my question was,

[0:38:59] Voice 7: was it not originally addressed in the first bylaw?

[0:39:02] Voice 7: it's automatically addressed so i was i don't like that kind of thing of being told we're getting

[0:39:10] Voice 7: what we should get anyway in terms of that i asked what percentage of land designated as aor

[0:39:17] Voice 7: includes wetlands and streams you have received as of march 27th because i got a copy of it

[0:39:25] Voice 7: on a paper by denman conservancy association expressing concerns about water areas and you

[0:39:33] Voice 7: have not put that on the agenda because we always he says you don't add things that are late to the

[0:39:40] Voice 7: agenda and i can't understand that because you're not meeting for two months it's a long time so

[0:39:46] Voice 7: this what i have sent his concerns was put in the correspondence file the denman conservancy

[0:39:54] Voice 7: association uh document will be put in the correspondence file that's where information

[0:40:00] Voice 7: goes to die it's not it's where does it go to there is no response there is nothing happening

[0:40:08] Voice 7: and yet there's a lot of thought going into it and i think that that is unfortunate to say the least

[0:40:16] Voice 7: so i want to know what percentage of land in aur includes wetlands and streams do any of you know

[0:40:24] Voice 20: is it important to know and

[0:40:28] Voice 7: i'm asking for some interaction here i'm saying it's important to know

[0:40:34] Voice 7: i have foreign land i own my land i farm i have foreign visitation my land backs up into deep

[0:40:42] Voice 7: swamp that water makes it possible for me to be able to farm without worrying about water although

[0:40:49] Voice 7: are still concerned so that's an issue and the map that is part of those those bylaw changes

[0:40:56] Voice 7: only shows chickadee lake and grand lake that's it and it's flat it's a flat map there's no

[0:41:03] Voice 7: topography there's no nothing else on it so what reference are you going to make when you have a

[0:41:08] Voice 7: bylaw and when someone's applying to double events and they'll just probably dance anyway i think

[0:41:13] Voice 7: uh what percentage will be uh the proposed biologs offer to these sources of community

[0:41:21] Voice 7: fresh water that replantish wells and allow gardens to flourish so what is what is being

[0:41:28] Voice 7: done and it sounds like i i'm trying to argue that there's a bad amount of information when

[0:41:35] Voice 7: i included in my package was peter spur's um addition to the the great vine in which he

[0:41:42] Voice 7: actually says if you do a survey before survey you do a lot of creation of information not promotion

[0:41:51] Voice 7: information is different it's all the data we need as a community to be able to say okay i'm now

[0:41:58] Voice 7: informed and that means that you folks are informed and then you go forward to even unless

[0:42:05] Voice 7: if a survey is indicated then do a survey but it seems like it's a way to buffer people away

[0:42:13] Voice 7: And that's not working. I do a survey and it's written on every single edge I can find because they are inadequate.

[0:42:22] Voice 7: And I point out in the survey about asking what we want to do or don't want to do for a farm,

[0:42:33] Voice 7: there's a section on agritourism accommodation and they use graphs.

[0:42:38] Voice 7: And in the graph, if most of the, they used, in this case it's a circle graph, they shifted

[0:42:48] Voice 7: to a bar graph later, but whichever of these little blocks was bigger, that's what decided.

[0:42:56] Voice 7: The fact that there were three other blocks that said, please don't do it or please consider

[0:43:00] Voice 7: that are, or there's worries here, didn't have input.

[0:43:05] Voice 7: So we have agritourism on ag,

[0:43:09] Voice 7: and the community wants agritourism

[0:43:12] Voice 7: on agricultural designated land,

[0:43:15] Voice 7: not farms, on agriculture.

[0:43:17] Voice 7: So that's a concern,

[0:43:18] Voice 7: is to even look at the results of a survey.

[0:43:22] Voice 7: The survey that you're getting right now

[0:43:24] Voice 7: is a housing survey.

[0:43:25] Voice 7: I know this, I like the way they presented the material,

[0:43:28] Voice 7: But there's no recommendations, and without recommendations, I don't know what they're

[0:43:34] Voice 7: going to do with that information.

[0:43:37] Voice 7: It's important that we have a look at it, and that basically we decide whether or not

[0:43:43] Voice 7: it's an interpretation of the information, but the other part of it is the recommendations

[0:43:50] Voice 7: have to include possible bylaw language.

[0:43:53] Voice 7: It's all very well to do motherhood statements.

[0:43:56] Voice 7: We all want this, or we all want that, but you have a bureaucracy in a way.

[0:44:02] Voice 7: You have to decide what you put into a by-law that is actually going to do that.

[0:44:07] Voice 7: And I'm also arguing that that by-law changes, can't just be tunnel vision.

[0:44:13] Voice 7: I will only talk about housing and ignore everything else, or I'm only going to talk

[0:44:17] Voice 7: about the environment and ignore housing, that kind of thing.

[0:44:21] Voice 7: The tunnel vision doesn't help.

[0:44:23] Voice 7: We live in a context.

[0:44:24] Voice 7: If we run out of water, nothing's affordable.

[0:44:28] Voice 7: And I'm watching when you look at affordable housing, because I've worked in areas that volunteer longer than I'd like to admit.

[0:44:38] Voice 7: But essentially, when you're looking at that sort of situation, don't give more income, more benefit to landowners.

[0:44:50] Voice 7: You can't keep doing that. I don't know how you get around it.

[0:44:54] Voice 7: but in my community on lakeland road i look up the bank and there's two major houses going in

[0:45:00] Voice 7: that are doubling the density and there's nothing we can do about it but those places are not going

[0:45:07] Voice 7: to be for low-income people and my sympathy is with low-income people because most of the other

[0:45:13] Voice 7: people have a lot more choices and here that's it comments

[0:45:20] Voice 7: just seems like i'm an entertainer

[0:45:23] Voice 7: so

[0:45:23] Trustee Maude (probable): we have two planners who who want to engage so they're

[0:45:29] Voice 15: the chair um i believe your camera's off

[0:45:31] Trustee Maude (probable): okay we'll

[0:45:32] Voice 15: we'll throw that out sharing

[0:45:33] Voice 15: just

[0:45:34] Trustee Maude (probable): so you know so yeah

[0:45:37] Voice 10: i was just going to mention that um so i've been working

[0:45:42] Voice 10: We've been working very closely with our fresh water specialists, who's been doing that work.

[0:45:52] Voice 10: And we will be having recent most recent work that was done was the collecting of data and mapping of first in the northern area so we've had that data for the south, and in the south we've also had.

[0:46:08] Voice 10: we had data related to to use to groundwater availability assessment data we don't have that

[0:46:17] Voice 10: yet but but I totally I totally recognize and appreciate and support exactly your perspective

[0:46:26] Voice 10: because any work that we do that in that anything that increases the intensity or the density on any

[0:46:33] Voice 10: one of these islands needs to consider this gentle balance uh with water resources and we're lucky

[0:46:38] Voice 10: now that we have um we have some good data so the data that we have right now does speak to what you

[0:46:45] Voice 10: were saying in terms of we know where the wetlands is this this um this mapping um identifies where

[0:46:52] Voice 10: those critical areas that need to protect be protected in order to um facilitate the

[0:46:59] Voice 10: sustainability of the groundwater absorption and

[0:47:03] Voice 10: collection. And what what we're going to need for the Northern

[0:47:09] Voice 10: Islands is groundwater availability assessments, which

[0:47:12] Voice 10: also consider the impacts of the weather and, and usage. And so

[0:47:18] Voice 10: that's something that, you know, we're, we're trying hard to see

[0:47:22] Voice 10: if we could find some, some funding for but it'll, it'll be

[0:47:25] Voice 10: a critical piece of the point of discussion can i

[0:47:30] Voice 7: can i respond to that i have written a paper

[0:47:33] Voice 7: about uh the groundwater person's report that he put in it's a long-term report it's an expensive

[0:47:44] Voice 7: process it's going to take at least a decade to look at the timeline and in fact my assessment

[0:47:52] Voice 7: of it is if you keep looking at drunk groundwater,

[0:47:57] Voice 7: what you end up with is a good basis for an autopsy,

[0:48:00] Voice 7: but you're not

[0:48:01] Voice 7: looking at all the information he wasn't.

[0:48:04] Voice 7: And there's an excellent mapping on Denman Island.

[0:48:09] Voice 7: There is, it's topographical.

[0:48:10] Voice 7: It's, there's a lot of ground truthing.

[0:48:13] Voice 7: There are whole areas like what feeds

[0:48:16] Voice 7: to what's far in the school.

[0:48:19] Voice 7: that whole water body does not appear in the new digitalized islands trust maps because google

[0:48:26] Voice 7: can't see it because there are trees and that is an impact on well that is that's reflected in other

[0:48:33] Voice 7: water bodies so at some point if you're looking at water you have to actually come and look at what's

[0:48:40] Voice 7: here what information is already here um and and there's a tendency to create a bureaucracy out of

[0:48:52] Voice 7: something that doesn't really serve a broad or looking at groundwater does not say deep swamp

[0:49:00] Voice 7: uh it looking at groundwater will not stop this new bylaw 228 229 from essentially not

[0:49:11] Voice 7: If you've got AOR and this new pilot comes through, you can drain that land, you can block that land, you can basically completely modify that land because it's now permitted.

[0:49:25] Voice 7: So there's nothing in there that's going to.

[0:49:27] Voice 7: So there's some real immediate things and they have broad range and there's a lot of information available.

[0:49:32] Voice 7: So constantly looking for information delays what needs to be done because we should have been doing it yesterday.

[0:49:45] Trustee Maude (probable): she doesn't want to be applauded

[0:49:48] Trustee Maude (probable): and generally

[0:49:49] Voice 11: we don't

[0:49:52] Trustee Maude (probable): do applause at these things but we have some leniency

[0:49:55] Trustee Maude (probable): i

[0:49:55] Voice 10: just wanted to mention that that it's actually new data that's complete now for the um for the

[0:50:01] Voice 10: market mapping um and absolutely like i mean as you move to the community and making decisions

[0:50:07] Voice 10: about community ground truthing whatever you get scientifically is that it's an important part

[0:50:15] Voice 10: and

[0:50:16] Trustee Maude (probable): i think something we'll also be struggling with is the right to farm act so but that's what

[0:50:22] Voice 20: you're here for

[0:50:22] Trustee Maude (probable): yeah so all right i mean i just want to say we have to have good information

[0:50:29] good good good decisions can only come from

[0:50:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): from complete information i completely i really

[0:50:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): appreciate your input on that and

[0:50:36] Voice 7: we're really all very smart collectively 100

[0:50:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): absolutely and

[0:50:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And I think we all want broadly to protect

[0:50:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and look after the places that we're in

[0:50:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and make sure that they work for a long time or work forever.

[0:50:50] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:50:51] Voice 7: Thank you for hearing me.

[0:50:52] Voice 7: I'm not going to stay because my first chick is hatched.

[0:50:58] Trustee Maude (probable): Thanks very much.

[0:51:00] Trustee Maude (probable): All right.

[0:51:01] Trustee Maude (probable): So our second delegation is the Devon Housing Action Group.

[0:51:06] Voice 11: I mean, that's

[0:51:07] Voice 11: something.

[0:51:09] Voice 11: Certainly.

[0:51:09] Yeah, my name is, I'm almost 20 years president, and I want to just add to this,

[0:51:19] Voice 11: all the tributes because I agree 100%.

[0:51:22] Voice 11: Thank you very much.

[0:51:38] Voice 7: Thank

[0:51:39] Voice 3: you for hearing us, seeing us. We acknowledge, we also acknowledge that this is the unceded territory of the Comox people, and most if not all of us in this room are guests on this land.

[0:51:56] Voice 3: Virginia and I come to you as representatives of Denman Island Hags and we have only a little bit

[0:52:01] Voice 3: of time to cover a lot of stuff and I just want to say that while it is undeniable that staff

[0:52:06] Voice 3: have a right to a safe and respectful workplace we also have a right to a safe and respectful home

[0:52:15] Voice 3: we believe in human rights and like most Denman Islanders we believe in community and taking care

[0:52:20] Voice 3: care of each other. We also care deeply for the environment and we work to minimize harm on our

[0:52:25] Voice 3: non-human neighbors, the waters and the earth. We've compiled and presented to you, it's in today's

[0:52:31] Voice 3: agenda, the results of eight studies which represents over 20 years of data which shows

[0:52:39] Voice 3: consistently that Dem and Islanders want to see people safely homed while we protect our water,

[0:52:44] Voice 3: our environment and our non-human community members okay

[0:52:49] Voice 11: so

[0:52:51] Voice 3: since

[0:52:52] Voice 9: 2002 um the last apc on

[0:52:57] Voice 9: the apc on housing um we funded as taxpayers eight different studies specifically um with

[0:53:06] Voice 9: serious sections to do with denman and we're going to be hearing about the ninth one

[0:53:11] Voice 9: later on in this meeting.

[0:53:16] Voice 9: I'd love to be able to discuss each one of these in detail

[0:53:19] Voice 9: because I actually really enjoyed reviewing them.

[0:53:23] Voice 9: And they're a fascinating history of the issue on Denwin.

[0:53:30] Voice 9: But my time's limited here.

[0:53:34] Voice 9: And so I'm going to give you a high overview.

[0:53:37] Voice 9: And I really do recommend that everybody read them.

[0:53:39] Voice 9: This is my compendium here.

[0:53:42] Voice 9: of the studies and i'm happy to send electronic copies we've scanned them all so we do have now

[0:53:51] Voice 9: a full collection and if anyone's interested in them let me let me know

[0:53:56] Voice 3: some of these studies

[0:53:58] Voice 3: are not available on the islands trust website we had to go digging for them so you may not even

[0:54:03] Voice 3: have access to

[0:54:04] Voice 3: some of the studies

[0:54:05] Voice 9: buried in the library the whole thing so we've had three

[0:54:11] Voice 9: three separate data reviews.

[0:54:15] Voice 9: The housing needs on Hornby and Denman, 2008.

[0:54:20] Voice 9: We had a 2013 affordable and convenient housing needs

[0:54:24] Voice 9: on Denman for the Denman Island Housing Authority Association.

[0:54:34] Voice 9: Then in 2018, we had the Island Trust Dillon review

[0:54:38] Voice 9: that I think we get cited all of the time.

[0:54:42] Voice 9: and each one of these studies show that housing prices have continued to rise

[0:54:50] Voice 9: while incomes have not risen at the same point. Between 2001 and 2006, I find this like a really

[0:54:57] Voice 9: interesting statistic. That's before we saw the really big rise in housing. The median house

[0:55:04] Voice 9: price on Denman increased by 133%. Meanwhile, the median income increased by 9%. And it

[0:55:13] Voice 9: just continued. Through each of the studies, they know that housing to buy becomes more

[0:55:21] Voice 9: and more unaffordable. By now, it really is largely unaffordable when you look at the

[0:55:28] Voice 9: median income of Denman people. We have a shortage of rental

[0:55:34] Voice 9: housing. Every single study notes this zero to whatever in

[0:55:40] Voice 9: terms of turnover, it's, it's very tight. In 2008, the study

[0:55:48] Voice 9: said 68 new units were needed. 2013, they said 80 new. And now

[0:55:56] Voice 9: Now in 2018, 80 are needed.

[0:56:01] Voice 9: In 2018, like that's what, five years ago,

[0:56:04] Voice 9: the Trust's own report for our island said that the top concerns,

[0:56:13] Voice 9: and you heard from people here already earlier about these concerns,

[0:56:17] Voice 9: rental housing is unaffordable relative to income.

[0:56:21] Voice 9: They have insecure tenure, meaning they believe they can be kicked out at any time.

[0:56:25] Voice 9: and a lot of them are quote-unquote living illegally um certainly against the bylaws because

[0:56:32] Voice 9: it's not the bylaws don't allow living on trailers

[0:56:38] Voice 9: um they said that they had a lack of options and you heard people say

[0:56:42] Voice 9: their personal stories in terms of what options they had and a lot of them know that there were

[0:56:48] Voice 9: unhealthy conditions in those houses and actually um the roberts study for denman housing in 2013

[0:56:55] Voice 9: 2013, said that there was at least 120 people in Denman living in substandard rental housing,

[0:57:03] Voice 9: including 20 children. So do we need to go through this one more time? Peter Spurge's report

[0:57:13] Voice 9: that he just did reflects the same phenomenon. We've had two separate farm studies

[0:57:22] Voice 20: specifically addressing

[0:57:24] Voice 9: the need that specifically talk about the need for worker housing

[0:57:28] Voice 9: um 2013 rural affordable housing project um recommended secondary suites they um also

[0:57:37] Voice 9: recommended allowing movable housing units without the need for foundations and

[0:57:42] Voice 9: the need and um that they didn't have to be a manufactured home

[0:57:48] Voice 9: the denman island farm review is recommending aligning secondary dwelling allowances to the

[0:57:54] Voice 9: alc act on a whole series of other recommendations and i'm not a farmer so i'm not

[0:58:00] Voice 9: um saying i have any expertise on the specifics of farming need for worker housing i i just think

[0:58:11] Voice 9: it goes without saying that the front a lot of the farming that i've seen on denman is worker

[0:58:17] Voice 9: intensive. And when you have worker intensive farming, you need to be able to have the people

[0:58:23] Voice 9: someplace to live. And it's very hard for people to find rental housing, so people get stuck.

[0:58:34] Voice 9: We've had all of these needs identified now for 20 years, and we've just refined each study.

[0:58:41] Voice 9: We've had three separate consultations on people's opinions on the subject.

[0:58:51] Voice 9: What were the options for getting better quality and quantity of housing?

[0:58:58] Voice 9: At each consultation, people stressed the need for affordable housing.

[0:59:05] Voice 9: They talked about the need to take care of their families, seniors housing, and housing for workers on Denman.

[0:59:21] Voice 9: In 2003, I couldn't believe when I read about the APC, 85.6% of the people surveyed supported the building of accessory dwellings, and we're still diddling over it.

[0:59:38] Voice 9: 10 years later, in 2013, the cooking up housing reviews, I'm sure David, you were at them, as was Rhiann, these things go over and over and over.

[0:59:51] Voice 9: The recommendations from staff at that point were to do both the suite.

[1:00:00] Voice 9: and accessory dwellings but people are concerned and they've got some real concerns and we need

[1:00:08] Voice 9: to listen to them and the way that we we um develop our solutions need to take into account

[1:00:15] Voice 9: some of the concerns people have they want to make sure that the strategies we adopt actually

[1:00:20] Voice 9: address affordable housing and i think that was one of the big kickers back in 2023

[1:00:27] Voice 9: they're concerned about the environmental impacts of increased population yes so when we're looking

[1:00:34] Voice 9: at housing solutions we need to look at it from a sustainable viewpoint

[1:00:38] Voice 8: um

[1:00:40] Voice 9: it's this is difficult

[1:00:42] Voice 9: because having gone through every single one of these studies all of them show that we keep going

[1:00:52] Voice 9: going over and over and over the same ground

[1:00:56] Voice 9: while the situation demographically gets worse.

[1:01:01] Voice 9: I'm concerned two more years of an APC

[1:01:05] Voice 9: without any changes to the existing situation

[1:01:09] Voice 9: is too long to wait.

[1:01:10] Voice 9: It's too long to wait for the people

[1:01:12] Voice 9: that were just talking here.

[1:01:14] Voice 9: We need some hard deliverables out of that study,

[1:01:18] Voice 9: at least on a quarterly basis.

[1:01:21] Voice 9: We've had the researches dump and dump.

[1:01:27] Voice 9: I'm sure you've reviewed the enforcement request later on the agenda.

[1:01:36] Voice 9: We don't want most of these rules enforced. They're on the books.

[1:01:44] Voice 9: If we don't want something to be enforced, we don't want it to be on the books.

[1:01:51] Voice 9: We need to look, we can look very quickly.

[1:01:54] Voice 9: I thought that the enforcement manager has given us a beautiful list to start on things

[1:02:00] Voice 9: that we don't want to see enforced and that can be removed from the bylaws.

[1:02:09] Voice 9: As a community, we really need to move forward with compassion while taking care of our natural

[1:02:14] Voice 9: environment.

[1:02:16] Voice 9: We have an obligation to uphold the human right to housing, and it really is time for

[1:02:22] Voice 9: change now.

[1:02:25] Voice 3: As members of the Housing Action Group, we ask that you please receive this document that we presented to you,

[1:02:32] Voice 3: Two Decades of Denman Housing, Time for Action, and our document that we submitted to you on February 23rd,

[1:02:38] Voice 3: Adequate Housing on Denman.

[1:02:40] Voice 3: We ask that it be received by the Local Trust Committee and be included in the current and ongoing housing review officially

[1:02:46] Voice 3: and as part of the orientation of all members of and all staff associated with the new APC on housing.

[1:02:54] Voice 3: We believe that a significant portion of Denman Island's housing needs are currently being met through what are considered unlawful homes.

[1:03:00] Voice 3: Our local entities bylaws need to change to make these homes legal and safe.

[1:03:05] Voice 3: We believe that doing so will do very little to affect our current population, except to make people safer at home.

[1:03:12] Voice 3: We request that you include in the mandate of the Housing APC, and I do have this in writing, I will hand out to you,

[1:03:19] Voice 3: uh that the abc consider answer and recommend one how to provide an amnesty and or legalize

[1:03:27] Voice 3: existing housing building stock which is already or could be meeting some of our communities

[1:03:32] Voice 3: existing and ongoing needs two how to ensure affordable non-market rental intergenerational

[1:03:38] Voice 3: and homeowner options three how to ensure a high level of environmental harmony water protection

[1:03:44] Voice 3: appropriate water use and treatment, and other sewage concerns.

[1:03:48] Voice 3: Four, specific by-law changes to meet our community needs and obligations with regards to housing with and in our environment.

[1:03:56] Voice 3: And five, a request for quarterly deliverables that can be implemented by the LTC simultaneously while the APC process continues for the next two years.

[1:04:06] Voice 3: as the new housing abc crafts the specifics of bylaw changes to dem and land use bylaws to better

[1:04:12] Voice 3: reflect our community values the desperate members of our community who have spoken today who have no

[1:04:19] Voice 3: options who have no choice who are desperate and who are can't there's so many who can't come speak

[1:04:26] Voice 3: because they are so desperate right now we ask you to please remember them and give them some

[1:04:32] Voice 3: glimmers of hope we ask you to please continue to consistently reaffirm in public in private

[1:04:38] Voice 3: and most especially in camera the denman

[1:04:41] Voice 3: island local trust committee standing resolution against

[1:04:44] Voice 3: enforcement and any action any site visits that are focused on catching people in their housing

[1:04:55] Voice 3: we urge you to immediately adopt a requirement for enforcement officers to make an appointment

[1:04:59] Voice 3: with a landowner a minimum of 24 hours in advance so that any landlord can meet their legal

[1:05:05] Voice 3: requirements to give notice to tenants and to please direct staff to bring a compassionate

[1:05:10] Voice 3: and trauma-informed lens to any investigation or any site visit at people's home we acknowledge

[1:05:17] Voice 3: the discussions about housing bylaws and options are important and we as a community we want to do

[1:05:22] Voice 3: well by this we acknowledge that this is a thoughtful process that includes many different

[1:05:28] Voice 3: perspectives some sing in harmony others are seemingly discordant but together we will make

[1:05:35] Voice 3: a better song for our community we want to meet our shared values of caring for community the

[1:05:40] Voice 3: water the earth human and non-human residents of denman island and we want to do so in a timely

[1:05:45] Voice 3: manner that respects all the work and money that our community has put into this process we want

[1:05:53] Voice 3: we've already invested into and we want better housing options denman needs this and wants this

[1:06:00] Voice 3: our community needs you to send a consistent message of support and commitment to action

[1:06:05] Voice 3: to help give hope to the 15 of our community who already live here who have been marginalized

[1:06:13] Voice 3: in their own homes by two decades of studies and very little actual change to support housing

[1:06:20] Voice 3: thank you for your consideration we wish peace upon your homes thank you

[1:06:30] Trustee Maude (probable): a couple questions for staff um all of this will go forward to that to the housing

[1:06:36] Trustee Maude (probable): devising committee i assume the

[1:06:38] Voice 15: chair could um

[1:06:40] Voice 15: and if there's information to refer to through the housing project to the agency that's another

[1:06:51] Voice 15: opportunity and

[1:06:51] Trustee Maude (probable): i got lost where we stood after the last meeting um with the 24-hour notice for

[1:06:57] violent enforcement to we

[1:07:00] Trustee Maude (probable): talked about it did we reach a conclusion on that issue to the chair

[1:07:04] Voice 15: that was something i would like to um get a follow-up from bylaw enforcement officer manager

[1:07:11] Voice 15: so we

[1:07:12] Trustee Maude (probable): might be dealing with this later today but will

[1:07:15] Voice 15: you be dealing with it in camera or in public

[1:07:17] Voice 15: like the question about the 24 hour um piece we can follow up perhaps in public at that

[1:07:26] Voice 15: biowa portion in the agenda and i know uh planner chadwick also have a follow-up

[1:07:31] Voice 15: thank you

[1:07:34] Voice 10: um i would love to have all of your material please um um part of the process that

[1:07:41] Voice 10: that I think is absolutely necessary

[1:07:44] Voice 10: is to value all of the good work that's been done before,

[1:07:49] Voice 10: which is part of the work that we've done.

[1:07:51] Voice 10: I don't think that we have all of those reports.

[1:07:53] Voice 10: I think we only have a few of them,

[1:07:55] Voice 10: so I would very much like to see that.

[1:07:58] Voice 10: I was just, yeah, well, I'll email it for you.

[1:08:02] Voice 10: I also just wanted to thank you.

[1:08:05] Voice 10: I feel like you've done a lot of my work for me.

[1:08:07] Voice 10: um the the um the work that was done by peter spur is is is great you know that's that's that

[1:08:15] Voice 10: that was my first step and it was you know i mean i put my stats together and i double checked to

[1:08:19] Voice 10: make sure the same ones written down and um and uh and certainly like understanding all the work

[1:08:25] Voice 10: that's been done because a lot of like there's a lot of good people a lot of smart people um that

[1:08:31] Voice 10: understand the situation and it's all covered in there so we don't need to reinvent the wheel in

[1:08:35] Voice 10: that case but we can look for gaps. I mean the situation has changed so much over the last decade

[1:08:40] Voice 10: and I wanted to add a personal note. I first came to Denman in 1998. I crossed it over to go to

[1:08:50] Voice 10: Hornby to build seniors housing on Hornby which is where I met my co-parent whose family had lived

[1:08:58] Voice 10: on them since the 60s and so um you know i've got a i have a very good friend like a very good

[1:09:06] Voice 10: friend sort of raised her babies here as a single parent um so i i have a connection to this this

[1:09:13] Voice 10: place and i certainly understand um how things have changed so dramatically even from um you

[1:09:21] Voice 10: know when i first met my my co-parent and certainly since his parents um were here and

[1:09:27] Voice 10: And the feeling of the island hasn't changed.

[1:09:30] Voice 10: And I really understand the desire and the need

[1:09:35] Voice 10: to maintain the community that is assisted here, right?

[1:09:41] Voice 10: So I can only be my,

[1:09:43] Voice 10: I think in the role that I have as a planner,

[1:09:48] Voice 10: it for the island's trust,

[1:09:50] Voice 10: there is a very narrow focus and that is land use.

[1:09:54] Voice 10: and the best that i can do is help assess all the work that's been done and identify some of

[1:10:00] Voice 10: the land use options and and also i mean i think it's it's it's myself and it's others to think

[1:10:07] Voice 10: creatively about how how we can um i mean there's money too right and and we're in this this changing

[1:10:16] Voice 10: environment both federally and provincially um from a financing perspective and things are going

[1:10:22] Voice 10: to change so i think it's the community can work together to to be sort of united and focused and

[1:10:28] Voice 10: understanding what um the ltc can do and the landing systems that can be made it'll and create

[1:10:36] Voice 10: um you know the the woman who spoke first was saying like what's the goal what's the line and

[1:10:43] Voice 10: that's what we're working towards and um if we can be clear on those goals then who knows what what

[1:10:49] Voice 10: but things are happening so fast right now.

[1:10:51] Voice 10: So I think it's really important.

[1:10:53] Voice 10: Like it's a critical time right now.

[1:10:55] Voice 10: I will do my best to try and provide some focus

[1:10:57] Voice 10: to the process of the discussion moving forward.

[1:11:04] Voice 3: Thank you, Nerissa.

[1:11:05] Voice 3: Our mutual friend, Sir,

[1:11:07] Voice 3: was still raising her children here on Denman

[1:11:09] Voice 3: when I was a member of the Accessory Dwelling Advisory

[1:11:13] Voice 3: Committee, the aforementioned APC.

[1:11:15] Voice 3: So it's been over 20 years that I've been working

[1:11:17] Voice 3: on housing on Denman.

[1:11:19] Voice 3: I apologize in advance if I get frustrated in any of our future correspondences it's very

[1:11:26] Voice 3: personally difficult having been enforced on at my home three separate times during this 20 years

[1:11:33] Voice 3: that I've been trying to engage with my community to change our local land use bylaws so I think

[1:11:41] Voice 3: that we on HAGS do understand the limitations of the LTC in terms of land use planning what you

[1:11:48] Voice 3: can do what we can't do you can't create housing we're on the same page with that um and i really

[1:11:54] Voice 3: look forward to future work and relations with you as we actually get some land use bylaw change

[1:12:03] Voice 3: that is what our community wants and we want it in a way that does protect our natural environment

[1:12:09] Voice 3: we are we have a pretty broad consensus on that there are a few details and that's where the devil

[1:12:15] Voice 3: comes out uh but for one thing the the impatience and the frustration is broadly felt by those of

[1:12:23] Voice 3: us who've been watching this go on and on over the same ground with new staff with new people

[1:12:30] Voice 3: coming from off island and we here on the island we know what we need and yes we're asking for that

[1:12:42] Voice 3: change to happen during this term during this year not two years from now that's too long to ask

[1:12:49] Voice 3: people who are barely hanging on we

[1:12:54] Voice 9: have no expectations that um island trust can build

[1:12:58] Voice 9: any houses what we're asking for from island trust is to get rid of the barriers for the

[1:13:05] Voice 9: community to take care of our own people as we already are doing it's just not

[1:13:10] Voice 3: it's just not

[1:13:11] Voice 3: legal yeah

[1:13:14] Voice 11: thank you thank

[1:13:15] Voice 11: you very much

[1:13:35] Trustee Maude (probable): okay trustee gravis so

[1:13:38] Trustee Graham (probable): um just the background when i when i ran this time um i was aware of

[1:13:44] Trustee Graham (probable): this housing and i called it a study that was my error and i was corrected by a past trustee

[1:13:51] Trustee Graham (probable): are protected this is a review this is the review that we've been asking for for many many years so

[1:13:57] the review obviously a review looks at all that has preceded it and the current situation and

[1:14:04] when i thought it was a study i was ready to give the eighteen thousand dollars that had been

[1:14:09] budgeted back because i didn't want another study all right i feel the same way we've been looking

[1:14:15] at this ever since i moved here 30 years ago um but it wasn't it's a review that's where we

[1:14:22] actually have an opportunity to change the rules and reflect reality this is one of my first

[1:14:28] experiences

[1:14:29] Trustee Graham (probable): as a trustee i didn't understand why our bylaws didn't reflect how we lived and they

[1:14:34] still don't and this has bothered me from day one but anyway this is my second

[1:14:40] Trustee Graham (probable): attempt to try and

[1:14:41] Trustee Graham (probable): think so thank you we

[1:14:47] Trustee Maude (probable): tried not to have a pause

[1:14:48] Voice 18: sorry we can't help i

[1:14:52] Trustee Maude (probable): know this is definitely so

[1:14:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): um yeah i mean uh i lindsay who spoke earlier is the reason that i'm at this table um she

[1:15:07] encouraged me to run um numerous others too but lindsay was the first person and the most

[1:15:13] determined person she's the reason i'm here um i am also one of those people who uh buy buy rent

[1:15:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): uh and it is extremely extremely extremely challenging to do i paid a lot of money to

[1:15:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): live here and my partner and i are extremely grateful we last november were able to move

[1:15:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): into a place that theoretically we might not get we get it's a space for us to actually live and

[1:15:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): breathe um but but i've been in for the last several years i've been on that the housing

[1:15:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): conga line which is where you know somebody gives up and leaves the islands um and everybody moves

[1:15:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): shuffles around departments like it's like oh so-and-so's place is open okay we're gonna move

[1:16:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): there and then you can move into my place and that's slightly better than where you are and

[1:16:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we were part of that um and even even after i was elected uh you know before we knew we were

[1:16:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): were going to get this house there was a very real chance that as a sitting trustee i was

[1:16:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): still looking down the barrel of having to leave this island which i mean would have been a

[1:16:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): fabulous political statement but uh but would

[1:16:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): have been absolutely excruciating for me i have

[1:16:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): four jobs um and i work i've never worked as hard in my life or as constantly in my life

[1:16:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as i do now and i am i frequently at nothing um so i really appreciate um where you guys are coming

[1:16:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): from and that the reason that i'm here is because i do want to see change to this and i also i'm

[1:16:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): currently the youngest trustee on the current trust council uh i'm going to be here for the

[1:16:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): for the longest period of time theoretically with any luck uh and i am looking at climate

[1:16:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): change and i'm looking at the environment and i love living in nature and the reason i'm here

[1:17:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is because i want to live somewhere where i don't have to go an hour to get into trees um i want to

[1:17:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): live in the trees i want to be there and i want to look after those spaces and and it's extremely

[1:17:10] important to me that those two are are are parts that that hold hands not not are in opposition

[1:17:17] and um all of this stuff is what i need and

[1:17:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): what i've you know what i've been saying since the

[1:17:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): beginning is is look i don't necessarily need to have the best ideas in the room i need to find the

[1:17:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): best ideas in the room so if you tell me if you give me the the information you give us the

[1:17:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): information as a group we we want to see change um and and i the thing that i keep coming back to

[1:17:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): most recently and i've had this in several meetings across all the different organizations

[1:17:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that i work for on denman uh is how do we what seeds do we need to plant today to to reap a good

[1:17:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): denman down the line like how do we how what do we need to do today to make 10 years from now a

[1:17:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a good place to be um so that's well five tomorrow you know all of the things they don't have to be

[1:18:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): they don't have to be 10 year growing cycles but we're not necessarily an orchard it can be both

[1:18:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but these are all the things that i want to do and i yeah all of these recommendations are really

[1:18:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): good and sophia and lindsey are both really good friends of mine yeah and i i i find it

[1:18:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): excruciating the way that that good people are suffering uh to try and keep this community living

[1:18:24] Voice 22: so anyways that's thank you

[1:18:28] Trustee Maude (probable): thank you okay one quick

[1:18:34] Trustee Maude (probable): follow-up we gotta keep moving so

[1:18:35] Trustee Maude (probable): i i just

[1:18:37] Voice 1: want to note

[1:18:37] Voice 3: that the person who's asking for more power to enforce against us

[1:18:43] Voice 3: is not actually here listening to our community and that is very telling and

[1:18:56] Voice 3: very discouraging that he wants to seek more power to enforce against us without actually

[1:19:02] Voice 3: knowing us and knowing our community values thank you but

[1:19:06] Trustee Maude (probable): i guess to that is that these

[1:19:10] Trustee Maude (probable): are the decision makers is that this are those going to make all the requests in the world

[1:19:16] this table is where the decisions are made so please trust that the right actions will take

[1:19:24] take place by your local trustees who do know your community

[1:19:27] Trustee Maude (probable): so thank you can

[1:19:31] Voice 10: i ask a direct question

[1:19:36] Trustee Maude (probable): one quick direct question i don't know if you're going to ask

[1:19:38] Voice 15: me whoever's going to make these

[1:19:41] Voice 10: decisions are you going to give this bylaw officer more power or are you not because if you are going

[1:19:47] Voice 10: to give him more power needless to say we disagree but

[1:19:51] Trustee Maude (probable): i would just well

[1:19:52] Voice 10: i wouldn't know

[1:19:53] Trustee Maude (probable): what's on the agenda in an hour or so when we deal with it you will see

[1:19:57] Trustee Maude (probable): i

[1:19:58] Voice 10: i think i'd like to know what given you you don't you don't want to say what you're going

[1:20:04] Voice 10: to do until

[1:20:05] Trustee Maude (probable): the time because we we try not to better our discussion until it's actually before

[1:20:09] Trustee Maude (probable): us so yeah that's how we work close

[1:20:13] Voice 20: to the public no

[1:20:14] Trustee Maude (probable): that that is there's multiple things different

[1:20:18] Trustee Maude (probable): different different conversations that's not what that part's about

[1:20:22] Trustee Maude (probable): yeah yeah it's not about it it's not about that no so we are under due business

[1:20:29] um 11.2 and that's from 12 30 12 55 so it's coming relatively quickly

[1:20:36] Trustee Maude (probable): that is when it's

[1:20:38] Trustee Maude (probable): on the agenda that's when it will be discussed clearly

[1:20:40] Voice 15: chair um i just want to recognize this

[1:20:43] Voice 15: conversation for through the item of the bylaw enforcement notice bylaw gives direction through

[1:20:51] Voice 15: the ltc decisions for staff to take action and administer or carry out the bylaw so i'm just

[1:20:59] Voice 15: mindful of it is the direction through the bylaws that the ltc will approve or not approve that gives

[1:21:07] Voice 15: of that direction to staff just thank you

[1:21:10] Trustee Maude (probable): all right moving on we have minutes before us for

[1:21:15] Trustee Maude (probable): adoption um we have local trust committee names from february 7th 2023 are there any errors or

[1:21:23] addition to those minutes no all right so five percent we will adopt those minutes yeah um then

[1:21:30] we have section 26 uh uh resolution report dated march 27th that we can adopt right percent

[1:21:42] um and we do not have any advice to tiny communities

[1:21:46] uh right so we move on to the follow-up action list so who's

[1:21:52] Trustee Maude (probable): going to tackle that one

[1:21:59] Voice 11: so renee is our island planner yes we have multiple hats

[1:22:10] Voice 15: turn my camera on to the chair um the whole action list here there's updates here

[1:22:19] Voice 15: um noted what's in progress so on page 45 what's in progress is um

[1:22:28] Voice 15: the denmin rezoning bylaw um bylaw number 241 242 and 243 um where the ltc has accepted the

[1:22:39] Voice 15: restrictive covenant the application preparing that covenant the signature and um the vitals

[1:22:44] Voice 15: will be updated so that's in progress as well also noting um a follow-up item number four on

[1:22:51] Voice 15: page 45 where there will be an item um through uh the vital enforcement instrument vital enforcement

[1:22:59] Voice 15: manager dingman um for uh enforcement files that that's also in progress and you'll see that in

[1:23:07] Voice 15: the in-camera agenda and on page 46 of the agenda item number six is also in progress

[1:23:15] Voice 15: first act we'll get the possibility of an earlier start time for the april 23rd

[1:23:19] Voice 15: about the season you can take so um which is today we achieved that we did that

[1:23:24] Voice 15: um no other actions

[1:23:26] Voice 15: thank you

[1:23:29] Trustee Maude (probable): very much any questions all righty so applications and referrals

[1:23:39] d e a r 2 2020-2 right 2961 northwest road

[1:23:47] Trustee Maude (probable): staff report on board for that oh we have a nice new

[1:23:58] Voice 2: Hi, yeah, I joined the meeting via Zoom, so I hope, can you hear me okay over there?

[1:24:03] Trustee Maude (probable): We're 100% thank you.

[1:24:05] Voice 2: Oh, great. Okay. So this is an application to permit an additional residence on a property within the agricultural land reserve.

[1:24:13] Voice 2: And given that there are areas of high archaeological potential on the lot, staff sent a notification to Comox First Nations that we received this application.

[1:24:23] Voice 2: And a letter was received in response, which doesn't oppose the application, but states that the site does have known cultural heritage and that the applicant must receive a cultural heritage investigation permit from Comox First Nation in advance of the construction.

[1:24:38] Voice 2: construction. Staff are recommending that the Denman LTC forward the application to

[1:24:43] Voice 2: the Agricultural Land Commission, given that the application is consistent with the objectives

[1:24:49] Voice 2: and policies of the Denman Official Community Plan and Land Use By-law. And this application

[1:24:55] Voice 2: kind of has two stages. You have the opportunity today to either forward the application to

[1:25:01] Voice 2: the ALC or reject the application at this stage.

[1:25:06] Trustee Maude (probable): thank you is the applicant here he is oh he is all right no trustees any questions um

[1:25:15] Trustee Graham (probable): read the report makes perfect sense to me i have no questions

[1:25:20] Trustee Maude (probable): anything for you sir oh thank you you're a total

[1:25:24] Trustee Maude (probable): okay does somebody want to make the motion

[1:25:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): uh yeah i'll make that motion

[1:25:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): uh let's just listen to the quotation marks i guess of course yeah uh i move that the denman

[1:25:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): local trust committee finds de dash alr dash 2000 2022.2 to be consistent with the objectives and

[1:25:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): policies of the denman island official community plan and island land use bylaw regulations and

[1:25:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so deems the application to meet the criteria necessary to warrant consideration by the

[1:25:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): commission for a non-inferior residential use second

[1:26:00] Trustee Maude (probable): could you include that in forward yeah

[1:26:02] Trustee Maude (probable): so we need to have that the first part you need both parts oh pardon me sorry all right

[1:26:08] i move that the

[1:26:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): denman island local trust committee requests staff to forward de dash

[1:26:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): alr-2022.2 to the agricultural land commission with the following comments

[1:26:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): something the denman island local trust committee finds de-alr-2022.2 to be consistent with the

[1:26:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): objectives and policies of the denman island official community plan and the denman island

[1:26:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): land use bylaw regulations and so deems the application to meet the criteria necessary

[1:26:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to warrant consideration by the commission for a non-adhering residential lease a

[1:26:46] Trustee Maude (probable): second okay any

[1:26:48] Trustee Maude (probable): further discussion call professional and that carries thank you very much

[1:26:53] Trustee Maude (probable): good luck

[1:27:00] all right so next up we have a housing review project with reports

[1:27:06] i believe

[1:27:14] Voice 15: they're joining us through the chair um joining

[1:27:17] Voice 15: us at 11 30.

[1:27:18] Voice 11: okay just a couple minutes

[1:27:23] Voice 11: All right, so we'll just take a quick break.

[1:31:03] Trustee Maude (probable): So do we have our

[1:31:07] Voice 11: consultancy board?

[1:31:09] Voice 11: Dr. Shaw joining us.

[1:31:23] In the waiting room, I see this.

[1:31:29] Trustee Maude (probable): That's right.

[1:31:30] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay.

[1:31:34] Trustee Maude (probable): Yes, go ahead.

[1:31:36] Voice 15: Okay.

[1:31:37] Voice 15: Thank you.

[1:31:39] Trustee Maude (probable): Yes.

[1:31:40] Trustee Maude (probable): All right.

[1:31:43] Trustee Maude (probable): we have our wonderful people joining us at lee good

[1:31:53] Voice 20: morning good morning

[1:31:55] Trustee Maude (probable): and uh presentation

[1:32:02] Voice 13: good um shall we just begin i'll

[1:32:08] Voice 11: just you're here it's all yours okay

[1:32:10] Voice 13: well thank you very much uh

[1:32:12] Voice 13: uh to the german island local trust committee i'm very happy to be here today my name is pam shaw

[1:32:19] Voice 13: i'm the director of the master of community planning program and research director of the

[1:32:24] Voice 13: the Mount Daryl Smith-Bosser Region Research Institute.

[1:32:26] Voice 13: And I am deeply grateful to the Islands Trust,

[1:32:30] Voice 13: to staff and citizens of Denman Island as well

[1:32:34] Voice 13: for allowing us to work on this project.

[1:32:37] Voice 13: It's a lot of fun.

[1:32:39] Voice 13: It's an incredible learning experience for students

[1:32:41] Voice 13: to work on a project that's a real life planning issue.

[1:32:44] Voice 13: And this, the issue of affordable housing

[1:32:47] Voice 13: and attainable housing is the very definition

[1:32:49] Voice 13: of a real life planning issue.

[1:32:51] Voice 13: issues. So I'm glad that we had the opportunity. And I am here today on the unseated lands of

[1:32:57] Voice 13: Sunaimuk First Nation on what is truly a beautiful sunny day in paradise where we live.

[1:33:04] Voice 13: So I can launch into our presentation if that's all right.

[1:33:10] Voice 13: Okay, we'll see that my team members are here as well. Sonal is here, Adam is here. I believe

[1:33:19] Voice 13: I believe CRO is attending as well, so I can't see everyone who's here, but my heartfelt thanks to the team for all the work that you did on this as well.

[1:33:30] Voice 13: So I will begin at the beginning. There we go.

[1:33:36] Voice 13: We're here to talk about the Denman Housing Review Project, so we have some recommendations that have come out of the engagement with the community

[1:33:44] Voice 13: and our review of of the materials that have been previously produced and then recent changes that

[1:33:50] Voice 13: have happened with provincial legislation so that's what we'll cover as part of our recommendations

[1:33:56] Voice 13: so what we are working on for the project and our overview is looking at the denman island

[1:34:02] Voice 13: official community plan and the land use bylaw to consider policy updates in relation to affordable

[1:34:08] Voice 13: and attainable housing so so very specifically we were looking at what amendments need to be made

[1:34:13] Voice 13: to these two overriding planning documents to address them to i'm going to say in part address

[1:34:20] Voice 13: the issues of affordable and attainable housing because there is it is as as as you know i don't

[1:34:27] Voice 13: have to certainly say this to the elected officials for denman island this is a pernicious

[1:34:32] Voice 13: pernicious issue on the island as it is everywhere so it is from a planning perspective you you know

[1:34:40] Voice 13: We talk about wicked problems in planning, and this is definitely one that has become increasingly difficult for every planning agency across North America and worldwide.

[1:34:52] Voice 13: All the way from 1948, the United Nations identified affordable housing as a human right.

[1:34:58] Voice 13: And as we move forward through time, I have the wonderful place of being able to talk to students virtually every day.

[1:35:10] Voice 13: often and we're in the new students are coming into the planning program and their question

[1:35:14] Voice 13: would be well why haven't we solved this yeah why are we still talking about housing why were we

[1:35:19] Voice 13: talking about it 100 years ago in Canadian planning okay we've been a world scale we've

[1:35:24] Voice 13: been talking about it much longer than that but so but what we're doing here is to present our

[1:35:29] Voice 13: report that has a series of recommendations for your consideration and we also want to make sure

[1:35:35] Voice 13: that we emphasize that the recommendations that were that are made coming from perspectives of

[1:35:41] Voice 13: sustainability and environmental protection of protecting biodiversity of conservation

[1:35:46] Voice 13: because those were messages that came out really strongly through the project as well so

[1:35:55] Voice 13: these were the five research questions that we examined and i've highlighted

[1:35:59] Voice 13: of the relevant points so i won't have to read through all of it for you but we wanted to take

[1:36:04] Voice 13: a look at the 2018 islands trust northern housing needs assessment report it's a report that a lot

[1:36:11] Voice 13: of work was what was put into a good deal of community engagement so wanted to make sure we

[1:36:16] Voice 13: weren't recreating what's already been done and building off that strong foundation then we wanted

[1:36:22] Voice 13: to look at what are the recommended updates to the denman island official community plan to comply

[1:36:27] Voice 13: with section 473 so this is it is a recommended update but it's also a required update the

[1:36:34] Voice 13: The province is requiring that all municipalities comply and jurisdictions comply with the Local Government Act for it.

[1:36:41] Voice 13: And I just mentioned this as an aside because it was announced yesterday that there are more changes coming down from the province.

[1:36:47] Voice 13: David Eby announced yesterday some changes potentially to residential one zoning to require that multi-units be allowed in a residential one zone.

[1:36:57] Voice 13: own. So we don't fully understand the ramifications of that yet for planning or for Denman Island

[1:37:03] Voice 13: specifically, but that's, I think we could be seeing some other changes coming forward

[1:37:07] Voice 13: in the very short term. Number three, we're looking at the level of community support for

[1:37:13] Voice 13: increased housing options and don't want to jump to the end of this story, but we'll say that yes,

[1:37:20] Voice 13: there is absolutely community support for more housing options and affordable and attainable

[1:37:26] Voice 13: housing options on the island. And then number four, looking at community support for distributed

[1:37:32] Voice 13: square footage and or maximum floor area within a dwelling, looking at the placement of different

[1:37:40] Voice 13: dwelling units on each lot. And if I do jump to the end of the story for this one, I would say we

[1:37:45] Voice 13: don't have all the necessary information to make really strong recommendations on that fourth

[1:37:51] Voice 13: research question but I'll come back around to that and then again talking about the elements

[1:37:58] Voice 13: of the natural environment social fabric and rural character that need to be protected so people move

[1:38:03] Voice 13: to places like Denman Island because they are so beautiful they are so you are so close to nature

[1:38:09] Voice 13: you are living in a place that's very special and different and so not wanting to make any

[1:38:13] Voice 13: recommendations that would be against what the reasons why people live in in such a beautiful

[1:38:20] Voice 13: beautiful place. We did a series of community engagement activities over the fall of 2022.

[1:38:28] Voice 13: Hard to believe we're already at April 2023. That seems surprising, but held a launch event

[1:38:34] Voice 13: that was well attended by members of the community and appreciate that people took the time to come

[1:38:40] Voice 13: out. In, I think, good planner fashion, we tied in with something that was more interesting,

[1:38:45] Voice 13: which was the Denman Farmer's Market. So people are coming out to the farmer's market. Maybe they

[1:38:50] Voice 13: can spend a little time talking about a planning issue as well. We did do a community survey and

[1:38:56] Voice 13: we'll talk about the results of that. There was a reach out to Comox First Nation and I don't have

[1:39:02] Voice 13: a I don't have formal comments from the nation. I don't know that the trust has received any other

[1:39:08] Voice 13: formal comments. We had a really enjoyable focus group meeting in November and then we were planning

[1:39:14] Voice 13: to do an open house but that event was cancelled okay so going back to the five research questions

[1:39:23] Voice 13: that we examined the first going back to the 2018 islands trust northern housing needs assessment

[1:39:31] Voice 13: report there was very strong support for the first three recommendations in that report so reviewing

[1:39:38] Voice 13: the ocp to have policies for safe secure affordable and attainable rental housing

[1:39:45] Voice 13: that there be the ability to enter into housing agreements with property owners

[1:39:49] Voice 13: and not-for-profit organizations, and then to support the efforts of not-for-profit organizations.

[1:39:55] Voice 13: So for the survey respondents, we had about 70% support for these first three recommendations.

[1:40:02] Voice 13: For the fourth recommendation, the feedback was for people who responded to the survey,

[1:40:08] Voice 13: about 47% supported the fourth recommendation, and many respondents indicated that

[1:40:15] Voice 13: there is a very clearly defined need for affordable and attainable housing on denman island

[1:40:21] Voice 13: and a survey isn't needed to understand this or a census isn't needed to understand this that the

[1:40:27] Voice 13: need has been well and clearly identified so we'll keep going with question our first recommendation

[1:40:35] Voice 13: what do we what recommendations do we have coming out of that report uh we get i will hit the

[1:40:42] Voice 13: highlight some of these having new policies surrounding rental developments having a

[1:40:49] Voice 13: simplified format for housing agreements that could encourage affordable and year-round tenancy

[1:40:53] Voice 13: doing a very careful review of the secondary housing stock and knowing that there's a wide

[1:41:00] Voice 13: variation in secondary housing stock so as much as it would be nice to make sweeping recommendations

[1:41:06] Voice 13: there really is a need to look at secondary housing stock on a case-by-case basis

[1:41:12] Voice 13: with the perspective of legalizing as many as possible.

[1:41:19] Voice 13: Encouraging sustainable and conservation-focused new development,

[1:41:22] Voice 13: so there's existing development and secondary suites and affordable housing,

[1:41:27] Voice 13: but then when someone's proposing something new,

[1:41:29] Voice 13: making sure it fits the ethos

[1:41:33] Voice 13: and I think the mandate of the Islands Trust

[1:41:37] Voice 13: and of Denman Island specifically.

[1:41:40] Voice 13: One strong recommendation that came out of the survey

[1:41:43] Voice 13: was an empty homes tax for homes that are unoccupied

[1:41:46] Voice 13: for more than six months of the year

[1:41:47] Voice 13: or used for short-term rental only.

[1:41:50] Voice 13: And you'll see that recommendation pop up

[1:41:52] Voice 13: a couple of times in the report

[1:41:54] Voice 13: because it was so strongly noted by survey respondents.

[1:41:57] Voice 13: respondents. To think about the impacts of the pandemic, of working from home, how it's changing

[1:42:03] Voice 13: the nature of work, and what that long-term, the long-term implications of the pandemic might mean

[1:42:09] Voice 13: for Denman Island, and then to support a not-for-profit organization to examine the

[1:42:16] Voice 13: development approval processes for efficiency and effectiveness. The question two that we addressed

[1:42:24] Voice 13: in our report and this is looking at perhaps no recommendation so much as these are requirements

[1:42:30] Voice 13: and so the local government act was amended a few years ago to require that official community

[1:42:37] Voice 13: plans include statements around the location type and density of residential developments

[1:42:43] Voice 13: and and here's the amended part the most recent amended part is housing policies on affordable

[1:42:49] Voice 13: housing rental housing and special needs housing so the 473 number one has been there for a while

[1:42:57] Voice 13: 473 number two was a recent change and I think speaks to the province's recognition of just just

[1:43:03] Voice 13: what a what an enormous issue affordable housing is so so not a recommendation so much as this is

[1:43:09] Voice 13: a requirement okay but our recommendations to that second question very strong feelings around

[1:43:19] Voice 13: around allowing densification of areas

[1:43:21] Voice 13: where it is appropriate and where services are available.

[1:43:24] Voice 13: So certainly not wanting to have any impacts

[1:43:26] Voice 13: on groundwater, on the environment,

[1:43:29] Voice 13: but that there could be areas

[1:43:31] Voice 13: where higher densities could be permitted.

[1:43:35] Voice 13: That secondary dwellings could be allowed

[1:43:38] Voice 13: on lots that are capable greater than one hectare

[1:43:41] Voice 13: of having the carrying capacity

[1:43:44] Voice 13: for those secondary dwelling units

[1:43:46] Voice 13: instead of allowing new subdivisions.

[1:43:48] Voice 13: So infilling rather than subdividing, more support for infilling than for subdividing, I think would absolutely be true.

[1:43:58] Voice 13: For new forms of subdivision, co-op, non-market housing, affordable housing and rental housing,

[1:44:07] Voice 13: instead of having subdivisions that are single unit developments, that they would have to be subdivisions that first supported affordability and attainable housing.

[1:44:18] Voice 13: and then looked at the subdivision of the lot.

[1:44:20] Voice 13: So that, yeah, I suppose if I had to get to a point on it,

[1:44:25] Voice 13: it would be coming at subdivision from a different policy perspective.

[1:44:31] Voice 13: Strong feelings around abolishing temporary use permits

[1:44:36] Voice 13: as a means for regulating long-term housing,

[1:44:38] Voice 13: and there'll be a little more discussion on this.

[1:44:41] Voice 13: Adjusting the density bank to look at the actual implications

[1:44:46] Voice 13: of lands that are in the agricultural land reserve and then that final bullet is to look at

[1:44:52] Voice 13: all kinds of options for water catchment composting toilet toilets gray water reuse

[1:44:57] Voice 13: that there's new technologies evolving all the time that could allow for secondary suites or

[1:45:05] Voice 13: or dwelling units perhaps in places where they would not have been permitted before

[1:45:08] Voice 13: So staying up to speed, up to date on all the latest in the realities of site servicing.

[1:45:17] Voice 13: And I think, you know, in general, people who live on the islands are well versed in sustainable methods for water and sewage disposal.

[1:45:30] Voice 13: Okay, over to research question number three.

[1:45:34] Voice 13: Again, the temporary use permit was addressed as something that should be abolished as a solution for regulating long-term housing.

[1:45:43] Voice 13: About 50% of respondents felt that it was ineffective or very ineffective in defining housing objectives as defined in the official community plan.

[1:45:52] Voice 13: And so that has come out as a very strong recommendation from the community.

[1:45:57] Voice 13: community. That secondary suites should be, again, should be allowed where the site is capable of

[1:46:04] Voice 13: holding that land use, that there can be densification of areas where there's better

[1:46:10] Voice 13: proximity to services and where there won't be environmental harm. And again, the empty home tax

[1:46:15] Voice 13: as a recommendation. For question number four, about 60% of the survey respondents,

[1:46:26] Voice 13: So this was the question around implementing a distributed square footage or a maximum floor area of a dwelling unit.

[1:46:33] Voice 13: So what we were hoping to get to was, is the community interested in saying, if you can have a house of this maximum house size, could there be requirements that say, of that, this percent would have to be a secondary suite, this percent would have to be a separate dwelling unit on a parcel?

[1:46:53] Voice 13: So could we speak to where uses would sit on a parcel that would fit the aesthetics and the land use patterns of Denman Island?

[1:47:00] Voice 13: And this is this is the one this is one research question where we don't have clear information at the open house that was canceled in November.

[1:47:09] Voice 13: We had a series of boards that we were going to set up that would give a visual image of what we were talking about.

[1:47:16] Voice 13: And so we never got the full feedback on this question.

[1:47:19] Voice 13: So it's something that I think, I suppose our recommendation around this is that further research is required specifically on this question.

[1:47:34] Voice 11: Oops, there

[1:47:36] Voice 13: we go. Okay, then to number five, our final research question.

[1:47:41] Voice 13: And this was getting to what is different and special about Denman Island, the natural environment, of course, the social fabric of the community, the rural character of this very special place.

[1:47:53] Voice 13: And how can that be protected when you're making regulatory changes that ultimately are looking at adding more housing to the island?

[1:48:01] Voice 13: So it's it's that weighing and balancing of those things that are special and different and not making changes that would affect that would be detrimental to the things that are so important to the community.

[1:48:13] Voice 13: And so here we have recommendations around considering environmentally sensitive areas when rezoning, protecting the rural character by allowing density, by clustering units.

[1:48:25] Voice 13: So maintaining the sense of open space and distance between housing units by clustering units on individual parcels.

[1:48:34] Voice 13: To allow landowners to protect tree habitats is critically important.

[1:48:39] Voice 13: People spoke directly to tree protection in the community survey to look for alternatives around rainwater capture, regulating water use and sewage disposal, to maybe look to the regional district to see if there might be some options for subsidizing rainwater catchment on parcels.

[1:48:59] Voice 13: that would be interesting. Encouraging housing diversity to support a very diverse

[1:49:05] Voice 13: age groups and income groups that are on the island and are likely to come to the island

[1:49:09] Voice 13: and then ultimately protecting and maintaining access to beaches. That was another very strong

[1:49:15] Voice 13: message that came out through the survey. So I'll turn it over to my colleagues Sonal and Adam if

[1:49:21] Voice 13: there's any comments you wanted to make from what you heard through community engagement or through

[1:49:26] Voice 13: the development of the report um

[1:49:29] Voice 1: i think thank you pam but i think you you captured uh everything

[1:49:34] Voice 1: um i think what we heard again and again was um instead of uh you know subdividing new lots for

[1:49:40] Voice 1: for newer constructions uh like to look at what's existing on denman and see if the density can be

[1:49:47] Voice 1: can be increased so like you said pam uh some more infill development and um also you know

[1:49:53] Voice 1: know going for uh alternative methods of uh water catchment or maybe uh some way to connect the sewer

[1:50:01] Voice 1: to the sewer lines or like having septic field added to the to the property so like looking at

[1:50:06] Voice 1: these uh things and also they said that they're already like people are already have solutions

[1:50:12] Voice 1: for secondary housing it's just it's not legal and uh that creates a lot of stress and tension

[1:50:18] Voice 1: So maybe on a case-to-case basis, if the current housing stock could be reviewed, and if these properties are supporting long-term rentals, then for somehow making them legalized.

[1:50:34] Voice 13: Thank you, Sonal. Adam, did you have any comments? I don't want to put you on the spot.

[1:50:39] Voice 13: I

[1:50:40] Voice 22: think you guys perfectly encapsulated it in that kind of review. Yeah, I agree with what you guys said.

[1:50:48] Voice 13: I'd just like to say a deep and heartfelt thank you to Islands Trust staff for all of their

[1:50:55] Voice 13: care and attention that they put to this project and to the other work that is done on the island.

[1:51:01] Voice 13: So I have a deep admiration for Islands Trust staff. And thank you very much to the LTC for

[1:51:07] Voice 13: allowing us to work on this project. And we'll open the floor for any questions.

[1:51:12] Trustee Maude (probable): Thank you. Trustees, any questions?

[1:51:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so i mean i think there's a lot of really good uh a lot of really good stuff i have questions

[1:51:25] yeah thank you thank you dr shaw and contributors um given

[1:51:32] Trustee Graham (probable): us a lot of great recommendations we're

[1:51:34] Trustee Graham (probable): striking a housing advisory planning commission and we'll be we'll be asking them to do a deep

[1:51:40] dive on all of those and then eventually come back here and then go out

[1:51:44] Trustee Graham (probable): to our community but

[1:51:45] Trustee Graham (probable): do have some questions and some comments on your report if i may um on page 71 you talk about um

[1:51:53] Trustee Graham (probable): there's a there's a statement that says the newly elected local trust committee decided not to move

[1:51:58] Trustee Graham (probable): forward with rescheduling the open house well we actually hadn't even met uh when that decision was

[1:52:04] Trustee Graham (probable): made and i to be fair i think i think we're probably reacting to a rather disturbing comment

[1:52:10] Trustee Graham (probable): that was made on social media one of our community members threatened uh your group and i i just want

[1:52:16] Trustee Graham (probable): to apologize on behalf of my community uh that that comment that that particular person may

[1:52:22] Trustee Graham (probable): disturb me deeply and it was certainly not reflective of our community or the the work

[1:52:28] Trustee Graham (probable): that you're doing and how we would have enjoyed having that community meeting so i just want to

[1:52:32] Trustee Graham (probable): put that out personally and publicly but that was a very unfortunate incident and i think that

[1:52:37] contributed to your uh not feeling safe coming to them um let's let's if i can

[1:52:46] Trustee Graham (probable): just run quickly

[1:52:46] Trustee Graham (probable): through your policy recommendations um rent controls uh how would we i mean and i don't

[1:52:56] expect the answers that this is just me thinking out loud and something of course that our

[1:53:01] our housing advisory planning which is going to have to rescue but rent controls are tricky

[1:53:06] how do we do that of course um template housing agreements sound great uh it's been our experience

[1:53:14] on them and the templates models template policies template agreements don't usually work because of

[1:53:20] the unique nature of

[1:53:22] Trustee Graham (probable): each agreement there may be some use in template agreements but by and large

[1:53:27] Trustee Graham (probable): they tend to be unique

[1:53:28] Voice 11: uh

[1:53:29] Trustee Graham (probable): there may be some some common elements in those templates but it's it's

[1:53:33] Trustee Graham (probable): not going to be as easy as we think it is you also talk about incentives to owners to provide

[1:53:38] Trustee Graham (probable): affordable reason year-round housing i'd love to know what sort of incentives the local trust

[1:53:43] committee could afford

[1:53:44] Trustee Graham (probable): to give landowners obviously not money but i don't i'm not sure

[1:53:48] Trustee Graham (probable): what we could do um you talk about updating the ocplub to allow suites and secondary dwellings

[1:53:54] Trustee Graham (probable): well we're doing that absolutely um and the question of course is where do we look at these

[1:54:00] Trustee Graham (probable): the small r1 lots and you've recommended nothing smaller than one hectare and that might be a good

[1:54:05] Trustee Graham (probable): start um the word aesthetic pops out of the report a lot and i i kind of thought i knew

[1:54:14] what aesthetics

[1:54:14] Trustee Graham (probable): meant so i looked at the definition this morning just to refresh my

[1:54:18] Trustee Graham (probable): memory and this concept of commonly agreed beauty is something that i don't think any

[1:54:24] Trustee Graham (probable): demonometer would say well i don't think that's right um so i don't think we're going to be

[1:54:31] Trustee Graham (probable): worrying too much about aesthetics from my perspective and i doubt very much that this

[1:54:35] Trustee Graham (probable): community is going to is going to worry too much about it we have such a range of

[1:54:40] what people want to live in and we love that we love

[1:54:43] Trustee Graham (probable): the fact that we call it demon weird

[1:54:45] Trustee Graham (probable): we say that and people don't really understand but those of us that have lived here long enough

[1:54:50] Trustee Graham (probable): we know exactly what that means that doesn't involve a set um uh your suggestion to look at

[1:55:01] Trustee Graham (probable): the non-legal secondary dwellings and review them case by case wow i see that really problematic

[1:55:06] Trustee Graham (probable): i'm really hoping that we can carte blanche allow secondary dwellings and and most of those

[1:55:14] Trustee Graham (probable): secondary dwellings that are illegal would be captured in that perhaps the odd one that

[1:55:21] Trustee Graham (probable): wouldn't fall into that cartilage allowance of secondary dwellings will be looked at by case by

[1:55:27] Trustee Graham (probable): case um i have a question what is conservation focused innovation that's something that you

[1:55:36] Trustee Graham (probable): got on your report yeah

[1:55:39] Voice 13: i could speak to that uh thank you uh so what we're talking i think

[1:55:45] Voice 13: planning um not so much on the islands i think is a because they are a different place but for

[1:55:50] Voice 13: much of post-World War II planning, it has had very little consideration for conservation or

[1:55:57] Voice 13: protecting biodiversity. And so very little consideration about how does wildlife exist

[1:56:02] Voice 13: in urban environments. And, you know, I think of the recent example of the coyotes in Stanley Park

[1:56:06] Voice 13: and what happened with that incident is the rise of park level use in Stanley Park and increasing

[1:56:12] Voice 13: encroachment onto the habitat of wildlife. And so it's been something that planning has very

[1:56:18] Voice 13: very poorly addressed in designing neighborhoods or designing subdivisions.

[1:56:24] Voice 13: And so there's a whole movement around increasing biodiversity in urban environments.

[1:56:31] Voice 13: So it means nodes and corridors really is what needs to be protected so that wildlife

[1:56:36] Voice 13: has a way to move from place to place separate from humans.

[1:56:40] Voice 13: That species, the first consideration is on species conservation instead of let's cut

[1:56:47] Voice 13: these trees down to improve the view and so it's it's a it's a big shift and that i don't think um

[1:56:52] Voice 13: you know perhaps perhaps it's not as relevant to denman island as as other places i think that's

[1:56:57] Voice 13: that's a fair comment because i think there's a different perspective but but it's a big movement

[1:57:02] Voice 13: in planning right now thank

[1:57:05] Trustee Graham (probable): you i i believe you hit the nail on the head it's it's how we actually

[1:57:09] Trustee Graham (probable): live on the island here we are so conscious of our environment and the role that nature plays in our

[1:57:16] Trustee Graham (probable): sustainability and our health we're lucky we're so lucky i've got another term i want you to

[1:57:22] Trustee Graham (probable): to explain to me sustainable and environmentally conscious development what the heck is development

[1:57:30] Trustee Graham (probable): that is conscious and

[1:57:33] Voice 13: it's uh i think you got us on planning i'll take that oh of course along the

[1:57:40] Voice 13: Along the same line, exactly that.

[1:57:42] Voice 13: But I accept the pointing out of the overuse of planning jargon.

[1:57:50] Voice 13: I think that's fair.

[1:57:52] Trustee Graham (probable): Thank you.

[1:57:53] Trustee Graham (probable): I was just having fun with you.

[1:57:56] Trustee Graham (probable): Empty home tax, great idea.

[1:57:58] Trustee Graham (probable): I don't think we have the ability to do that.

[1:58:01] Trustee Graham (probable): I could be wrong, and I'm looking at my planning team here,

[1:58:04] Trustee Graham (probable): and eventually they'll give me the answer to that.

[1:58:07] Trustee Graham (probable): But I'm not sure we can do that.

[1:58:09] Trustee Graham (probable): vacancy tax again great idea i don't think we can do that at the local level but i could be wrong

[1:58:19] Trustee Graham (probable): rainwater you know i don't know if you know but on denman we have a affordable housing

[1:58:25] Trustee Graham (probable): development which has 15 houses almost 40 i think there's over 40 people that live on that

[1:58:30] Trustee Graham (probable): development it was an 80 acre parcel they've clustered their houses and they use rainwater

[1:58:35] Trustee Graham (probable): water exclusively for their drinking water and their household needs.

[1:58:41] I think that's remarkable.

[1:58:43] They are demonstrating the new reality of climate change and

[1:58:48] Trustee Graham (probable): less reliance on groundwater and

[1:58:50] Trustee Graham (probable): accepting the limitations that Mother Nature is throwing at us.

[1:58:55] Trustee Graham (probable): I agree, subdivision is wrong.

[1:58:58] Subdivision just feeds the capitalist model.

[1:59:01] I want us to shift, and I'm sharing my own

[1:59:04] Trustee Graham (probable): personal feelings here, but

[1:59:05] Trustee Graham (probable): but I want us to shift to land sharing

[1:59:07] Trustee Graham (probable): because the answer to affordable housing

[1:59:10] Trustee Graham (probable): and attainable housing and accessible housing

[1:59:12] Trustee Graham (probable): and safe housing will never be solved

[1:59:14] Trustee Graham (probable): by higher levels of government.

[1:59:16] Trustee Graham (probable): It's impossible.

[1:59:17] Trustee Graham (probable): We have two wonderful organizations on them

[1:59:20] Trustee Graham (probable): and volunteers that work their butts off

[1:59:24] Trustee Graham (probable): for many, many, many, many, many, many years.

[1:59:26] Trustee Graham (probable): And so far in, I think, 15 years of their work,

[1:59:29] Trustee Graham (probable): we have one affordable housing dwelling.

[1:59:32] Trustee Graham (probable): One.

[1:59:33] Trustee Graham (probable): one. We're hoping to get more, but they rely on external sources of funding and they go through

[1:59:40] Trustee Graham (probable): an enormously complicated process, only one of which is the local trust player. So land sharing

[1:59:49] Trustee Graham (probable): is kind of a really old idea and it's one a lot of us came here thinking that we could do. And

[1:59:55] Trustee Graham (probable): back in the 60s and 70s, it was a lot easier to wrap your head around.

[2:00:00] around. And I think we need to revisit land sharing. And I love

[2:00:03] your idea of taking the residential square footage.

[2:00:07] Let's just let's

[2:00:08] Trustee Graham (probable): just say it's 4000 square feet. So if you

[2:00:11] Trustee Graham (probable): need 4000 square feet of your house, well, too bad for you.

[2:00:14] Trustee Graham (probable): But that's what you're going to build. Or could you possibly

[2:00:16] Trustee Graham (probable): build for 1000 square foot houses? And maybe the trade off

[2:00:20] Trustee Graham (probable): you could reduce your lot coverage percentage as a gift to

[2:00:24] Trustee Graham (probable): the community, basically saying, I accept I'm using more

[2:00:28] Trustee Graham (probable): resources but i'm giving more resources back to nature so this is just an idea i could go on and

[2:00:35] Trustee Graham (probable): on but i won't i'll stop there because i do appreciate that this is just the start of this

[2:00:39] Trustee Graham (probable): project thank you thank

[2:00:42] Voice 11: you any questions from staff you're all content and happy

[2:00:52] Voice 18: sure we'll we'll let some comments come in sure

[2:00:57] Trustee Maude (probable): or maybe you have to come up because the microphone's here.

[2:01:00] Trustee Maude (probable): So we have a

[2:01:04] Voice 18: couple of questions

[2:01:05] Trustee Maude (probable): from the audience, so.

[2:01:06] Trustee Maude (probable): Sure.

[2:01:07] Voice 18: There are comments and questions, I guess.

[2:01:09] Voice 18: My name's Erin O'Brien, and I was lucky and fortunate enough

[2:01:12] Voice 18: to be invited to the Stakeholders' Roundtable

[2:01:14] Voice 18: for the process in which we're reviewing right now.

[2:01:19] Voice 18: So in that process, there was a lot of things on the table

[2:01:22] Voice 18: that were touched on in the summary here,

[2:01:25] Voice 18: and uh i'm gonna say yeah thanks again for the opportunity to speak one of the things that came

[2:01:30] Voice 18: up uh over and over again was the discussion around um looking at one hectare as a limiting

[2:01:36] Voice 18: factor for discussion and i just want to say that when you do that i mean personally i take a risk

[2:01:42] Voice 18: in discussing this because i'm a foster mom i i house my adult disabled son i also house my um

[2:01:49] Voice 18: terminally ill mother and I am a single mom as well so in my home which is under a hectare

[2:01:56] Voice 18: just by a hair because of how the lot was divided I potentially wouldn't be able to make an

[2:02:03] Voice 18: application to live how I live currently so I just want to say that if we're going to look at

[2:02:09] Voice 18: housing and looking at existing situations and we're also looking at environmental caring capacity

[2:02:14] Voice 18: capacity and we're also looking at being innovative and look 20 you know 21st century

[2:02:19] Voice 18: or wherever we're

[2:02:20] Voice 18: headed in terms of our review we might want

[2:02:23] Voice 18: to look at um what's really going

[2:02:26] Voice 18: on on the ground rather than just okay are you over a hectare you're over a hectare let's have

[2:02:31] Voice 18: a discussion people able to afford land over a hectare often are not motivated in the same way

[2:02:37] Voice 18: as somebody like myself who can't afford a property over a hectare but still has a requirement to

[2:02:43] Voice 18: to help my family and contributes in a huge way

[2:02:47] Voice 18: to the betterment of society by taking care

[2:02:50] Voice 18: of marginalized children and contributing in community

[2:02:53] Voice 18: and working my entire life here as a career focused adult.

[2:02:59] Voice 18: So I just wanted to recommend a really on the ground review

[2:03:04] Voice 18: and to ask the group, I guess, that put together this summary

[2:03:09] Voice 18: why that large discussion that happened

[2:03:12] Voice 18: at the round table around looking at properties uh like mine was just skipped right over

[2:03:20] Trustee Maude (probable): okay um rashad did you have some sort of

[2:03:23] Trustee Maude (probable): feedback on that well

[2:03:24] Voice 13: i could comment on the one head

[2:03:26] Voice 13: parent thank you very much aaron uh for the question it's um the one hectare the ministry

[2:03:30] Voice 13: of health's guidelines for vancouver island and for the the um this the coastal areas of british

[2:03:36] Voice 13: columbia uh looks at a one hectare minimum permitted parcel size if there's sewage

[2:03:41] Voice 13: if they're septic and well groundwater on the same parcel that's what the water source is for it

[2:03:47] Voice 13: and so that's that's kind of that general guideline if it's not a service property then

[2:03:51] Voice 13: it's that one hectare so that's where it came that's where it comes from but you know absolutely

[2:03:56] Voice 13: agree with Aaron with the speaker that you know there are different considerations and as was

[2:04:02] Voice 13: already mentioned water in fact could be from rainwater capture so not even accessing groundwater

[2:04:07] Voice 13: groundwater. So it's a policy that may not be applicable, I think, and would need further

[2:04:14] Voice 13: consideration.

[2:04:16] Voice 1: If I can add to that, Pam, I just wanted to say that, yes, Erin, thank you so much

[2:04:22] Voice 1: for that comment. And we tried to capture that. We have a few policies that says that we need to

[2:04:28] Voice 1: look into the restrictive language of the current policies and need to have more flexible and

[2:04:35] Voice 1: responsive and adaptive policies that addresses these these issues of attainable and affordable

[2:04:40] Voice 1: housing on denman super

[2:04:44] Voice 18: and one last comment that also came out of that roundtable discussion

[2:04:48] Voice 18: and it relates directly to the discussion around square footage and allowance is that oftentimes

[2:04:55] Voice 18: people who are looking to share their land are looking to share their land not only with disabled

[2:05:02] Voice 18: people and seniors, but people with children. So when we're looking at allocation of square

[2:05:08] Voice 18: footage for secondary dwellings, I love what David Graham was saying around being creative

[2:05:16] Voice 18: around how we use a total square footage allowance, rather than just saying, okay,

[2:05:20] Voice 18: everybody who has a rental has to fit into, you know, 400 square feet or 600 square feet or one

[2:05:26] Voice 18: bedroom or whatever that is. So thanks for your time. Thank

[2:05:30] Trustee Maude (probable): you very much.

[2:05:32] one

[2:05:36] Voice 3: more thank you i appreciate that um i have a question for the consultants uh regarding the

[2:05:43] Voice 3: recommendation uh not to look at properties one hectare or smaller how does that fit in

[2:05:51] Voice 3: light of the recent announcement from province to allow uh multiple homes in a single

[2:05:58] Voice 3: density uh the announcement that came yesterday from uh premier evie

[2:06:05] Voice 13: um and i i could respond on that yeah i just heard that announcement yesterday as well

[2:06:09] Voice 13: and very interested to see how that plays out because my understanding is the province is

[2:06:15] Voice 13: saying that if you have residential one zoning it could be as many as four dwelling units or

[2:06:21] Voice 13: four units before four separate units on in that residential one zone and then that would be

[2:06:28] Voice 13: permitted and i just thought whoa that's a that is a substantial change and i'm really interested

[2:06:32] Voice 13: to see how that plays out and and what's uh yeah i don't um we heard about yesterday and really

[2:06:42] Voice 13: excited to see what happens it makes makes great sense for some places and then you know the other

[2:06:47] Voice 13: part of me wonders if there's not going to be some hard pushback from other places but we'll

[2:06:51] Voice 13: guess we'll see what unfolds through

[2:06:54] Voice 15: the chair um i think that's a to what um

[2:06:59] Voice 15: selling shop has talked about i think that's worth capturing and plaguing for the deadman

[2:07:04] Voice 15: housing review um and planner chadwick can maybe elaborate a little bit more on that

[2:07:11] Voice 10: yeah i mean

[2:07:12] Voice 10: i just read i just read that announcement um just last night

[2:07:15] Voice 10: um and um it's it'll be interesting i i i will be digging deeper and to get a sense of what this

[2:07:24] Voice 10: means for the islands because we are it's a different scenario here and it's something

[2:07:27] Voice 10: think honestly, the problem is not. And we all know that. I

[2:07:32] Voice 10: mean, so it's something that I'll be looking at. I'm working

[2:07:37] Voice 10: on a number of projects. So I need to understand this really

[2:07:40] Voice 10: clearly. Um, I can speak to a couple of things. There has been

[2:07:44] Voice 10: some work on main items that has considered look, look, well,

[2:07:52] Voice 10: we're calling it flex housing. So it's allowing units on some

[2:07:56] Voice 10: smaller lots um within a maximum combined floor area of all the units so it's a maximum for all

[2:08:03] Voice 10: and this is where the ltc um on main island very conscientious of um you know conservation

[2:08:10] Voice 10: provision of land and reducing the the overall footprint of the building on the land so we've

[2:08:16] Voice 10: arrived in this place and um in in that example we do have any uh an area that's been identified um

[2:08:24] Voice 10: to be the least vulnerable for impact from a water perspective where it's being piloted

[2:08:31] Voice 10: but it does allow on smaller lots both the secondary suite and

[2:08:37] Voice 10: a smaller unit so two separate units when you think about Sweden so those are the kinds of

[2:08:47] Voice 10: those are the kinds of ideas that we would all be presenting as options and again things that

[2:08:54] Voice 10: been thought through having worked with um mr main island uh local trust committee and um and also

[2:09:01] Voice 10: you know things that have come up out of a number of other courses that we've recently been able to

[2:09:06] Voice 10: here

[2:09:08] Voice 3: on denman and it is known it's noted in the 2018 housing northern housing needs assessment

[2:09:14] Voice 3: uh that we are as a community most of us our community members are aware of unlawful housing

[2:09:20] Voice 3: which includes a number of secondary suites which may not be lawful in houses in homes that are

[2:09:30] Voice 3: under one hectare as we know from living here there's a number of seniors the only way they

[2:09:35] Voice 3: can stay in their home is by having unfortunately unlawful at this point suite in their home and

[2:09:42] Voice 3: so that's something that I hope that the planners are aware of that this is something that's

[2:09:47] Voice 3: commonly done on denman and

[2:09:49] Voice 10: i'll also mention one of the things that me and again i have the

[2:09:53] Voice 10: advantage of working with me now but also having been some of the ground work with groundwater

[2:09:57] Voice 10: work with north pender and galliano so north pender and galliano are now looking at um

[2:10:02] Voice 10: requirements for assistance rainwater catchment systems for all new builds um and uh currently

[2:10:09] Voice 10: the way that we've designed it on flex housing is that those new units will require are required to

[2:10:15] Voice 10: have um totally so so so we're thinking about these and these are the kinds of ideas thank you

[2:10:22] Voice 10: thank you very much okay

[2:10:25] Trustee Maude (probable): well thank you very much michelle for your presentation um this all

[2:10:30] Trustee Maude (probable): informs as you know a very dynamic thing on manhattan denman island and uh hopefully provides

[2:10:36] Trustee Maude (probable): a lot of good information for the process well

[2:10:41] Voice 13: thank you very much to the ltc and to staff and

[2:10:44] Voice 13: to citizens for allowing us to work on this thank

[2:10:48] Trustee Maude (probable): you thank you okay so just to hit the agenda we

[2:10:55] have some interesting dynamics here

[2:10:57] Trustee Maude (probable): because there's a break schedule through the chair

[2:11:00] Voice 15: the presentation is still sharing so you can okay promote

[2:11:04] Voice 15: that back to your school oh my

[2:11:06] Trustee Maude (probable): My goodness, how am I going to do that?

[2:11:11] Thank you.

[2:11:18] So what we have, we have a break schedule at 12.30,

[2:11:23] but also looking at the agenda, we have business at 12.30.

[2:11:29] Trustee Maude (probable): On 10 and out of 11, we have business at 12.35.

[2:11:33] Trustee Maude (probable): So we seem to compress the agenda massively.

[2:11:37] Trustee Maude (probable): So I'm looking to you guys as to how you want to proceed.

[2:11:44] Voice 15: I think it was a mistake because it

[2:11:46] Voice 15: was a mistake in the time allocation so it should say

[2:11:54] Voice 15: yeah the meeting should be going to 2 30 so I believe after the break that should be

[2:12:04] Voice 15: I think we can maybe go through the correspondence

[2:12:11] Trustee Maude (probable): and

[2:12:12] Voice 15: then come back and break i can help rejig that time yeah

[2:12:16] Trustee Maude (probable): just we we got to go at your pace so

[2:12:18] Trustee Maude (probable): and

[2:12:19] Voice 15: and to what how you're feeling for pace

[2:12:22] Trustee Maude (probable): okay thank you so we'll move on to correspondence

[2:12:26] Trustee Maude (probable): all right so we have an email here um with regards to the um very terminal i don't know

[2:12:35] if we just want to receive that or is there any instruction from

[2:12:41] Voice 11: the local trust committee about

[2:12:43] Voice 11: that that's on page 107.

[2:12:55] Trustee Graham (probable): yeah i look forward to the consultation with bc ferris with all this new

[2:13:02] Trustee Graham (probable): information that uh dr balk has given us uh was first the species uh and the number of trees it

[2:13:08] Trustee Graham (probable): was pretty uh pretty enlightening we saw those flags and bc ferry's done that in 2017 with a

[2:13:14] a totally different experience for them i was i was very surprised and i mean the part of the

[2:13:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): conversation that i had with staff after time i know that the rest of us we all had various emails

[2:13:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): with staff uh you know it was kind of surprising to see that level of uh change happening in that

[2:13:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in that location and have it effectively you know not be on our plate it's ministry of transportation

[2:13:38] which seems surprising given the scale.

[2:13:42] I'm still learning the ins and outs

[2:13:44] of what our jurisdiction is.

[2:13:46] So that's part of just how that is,

[2:13:48] but it did seem odd to me that that amount of change

[2:13:53] would happen, especially given that

[2:13:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): there are riparian areas

[2:13:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in the area that was gonna be affected there,

[2:13:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): you know, there's water there.

[2:14:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): That, you know, as Harleen was saying earlier,

[2:14:04] you know this seems to be an incomplete picture of what the water was and that water was not

[2:14:10] represented on any of these various materials so um yeah i was concerned to see that level of

[2:14:16] change proposed or being undertaken uh without any sort of run through us and i also recognize

[2:14:26] that it

[2:14:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): happened that the consultation supposedly happened you know five years ago but yeah

[2:14:32] Voice 11: okay so

[2:14:35] thank you we just will so we just receive that for information and certainly carry all those comments

[2:14:41] Trustee Maude (probable): um as i'm sure the email rate will also be attended to bc various consultation and hopefully

[2:14:46] we'll get this back on the right path um so we have another email with uh concern over a local

[2:14:53] trustee focus um that

[2:14:57] Voice 11: being um housing and such um i don't know it's uh again you just want to just

[2:15:08] take this as information yeah that's that works fine for you okay um then we have an email uh

[2:15:17] regarding um light pollution which is

[2:15:21] Voice 11: a growing concern um again is that something we just want

[2:15:27] Voice 11: receive yeah i mean i would be interested to um to hear from staff and i don't know what the best

[2:15:35] way to sort of request that it doesn't have to be now um but uh yeah what i mean what are what are

[2:15:42] the um how can we allow for light pollution considerations within our our land use bylaws

[2:15:51] and community plans because it does as uh uh harley is saying here you know it follows under

[2:15:58] the guiding principle uh number eight uh to retain privacy peace and quiet beauty um to discourage

[2:16:06] air noise and light pollution so i you know i would be interested to see uh perhaps what growth

[2:16:12] has happened in terms of light pollution on denman it seems you know if nasa has if it's observable

[2:16:19] then that seems like that could be something that we might want to

[2:16:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): just be aware of i think we all

[2:16:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): really value the darkness through the

[2:16:30] Voice 15: chair um regarding light pollution there could be

[2:16:35] Voice 15: opportunities through a zoning bylaw where or an oct bylaw official community plan bylaw through

[2:16:44] Voice 15: the development permit guidelines that could add some policy to pay special attention to the way

[2:16:51] Voice 15: lights are fixed to buildings to present prevent light pollution so those

[2:16:56] Voice 11: are some opportunities

[2:16:57] Voice 15: i mean

[2:17:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): let me reach out to you and we'll have a we'll have a chat about that at some point because

[2:17:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i i would like to

[2:17:07] Voice 15: figure out

[2:17:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): what the tools are that

[2:17:09] Trustee Maude (probable): we have so we'll just have it sort

[2:17:11] Trustee Maude (probable): of on the radar yeah i'll talk i'll talk with staff okay

[2:17:14] Trustee Maude (probable): great um and then the final um email

[2:17:18] Trustee Maude (probable): was just i guess some feedback um from the meeting of sex so again just for receipt unless we can

[2:17:26] Trustee Maude (probable): answer that question i

[2:17:29] Trustee Graham (probable): was looking for the digital recording of the previous local trust

[2:17:37] thank you perfect all

[2:17:42] Trustee Maude (probable): right so i guess we're talking about taking the break

[2:17:47] Trustee Maude (probable): or we could do that one decision through

[2:17:50] Voice 15: your chair that is up to you i've rejigged

[2:17:53] Voice 15: very quickly some timing um just to sort of allocate or change the amount keep the amount

[2:18:00] Voice 15: of time the same for each section in the agenda but just clarify if

[2:18:05] Voice 11: you

[2:18:07] Voice 15: would like to carry on

[2:18:08] Voice 15: to new business okay

[2:18:10] Trustee Maude (probable): and

[2:18:11] Voice 15: stop where you feel comfortable before 12 30 you can do that as well

[2:18:15] Voice 15: well

[2:18:16] Trustee Maude (probable): i'm assuming that the freedom of information um by law is fairly straightforward so let's

[2:18:22] proceed with that if you want all right something we have to do we have a complete bylaw and i'm

[2:18:30] happy to make the first motion all right um i move that the local trust committee meeting

[2:18:36] Trustee Graham (probable): i'm sorry the denman island local trust committee bylaw number 246 cited as general island local

[2:18:41] Trustee Graham (probable): trust committee freedom and information and protection of privacy bylaw number

[2:18:44] Trustee Graham (probable): 246 2023 be given first can they do first second and third in all one motion cool first second and

[2:18:51] Trustee Maude (probable): third reading it's

[2:18:53] Trustee Maude (probable): highlighted right there so that's very interesting all right the second

[2:18:59] Trustee Maude (probable): yeah yeah thank you for the discussion call the question on the paper that carries

[2:19:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): want to do the second one sure uh i move that the demin island local trust committee

[2:19:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): bylaw number 246 cited as demin island local trust committee freedom of information and

[2:19:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): protection of privacy bylaw number 246 2023 reported to the secretary of the island's

[2:19:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): trust for approval by the executive any questions or

[2:19:27] Trustee Maude (probable): questions awesome now it's your problem

[2:19:32] Trustee Maude (probable): i

[2:19:33] Voice 11: do

[2:19:35] Trustee Maude (probable): appreciate that i'm sure it'll be controversial um we're still addressing

[2:19:42] Trustee Maude (probable): do you want to do your community chat thingy oh sure good idea yeah so

[2:19:48] Trustee Maude (probable): what is what what

[2:19:48] Trustee Maude (probable): pass 7-3 to 11-2 and awesome yeah all right so do you want to take that off sam uh interested in

[2:19:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): having a coffee and muffin and talk to your trustee yeah opportunity um yeah i mean i think

[2:20:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i i i think we both have a uh and i know that there is a desire in the community to have uh

[2:20:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): informal conversations we would like to make a budget request uh to rent probably the back hall

[2:20:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): at the community hall which is extraordinarily inexpensive to host community meetings

[2:20:23] that are less structured and allow for us to you know get feedback from you have conversations

[2:20:29] and have there be a bilateral discussion without a lot of the other stuff because that'll allow us

[2:20:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to hopefully have more effective LTC meetings when we do have the infrastructure there's a need

[2:20:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): for the structure that exists at LTC level. But I think having those other conversations will allow

[2:20:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): us to be more agile. And if we're talking more frequently, we can actually do a lot more work.

[2:20:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So I absolutely think that that's really important.

[2:20:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Do you want to pick a date?

[2:21:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Sure. Yeah. I

[2:21:03] Trustee Maude (probable): have to get my brain.

[2:21:05] Trustee Maude (probable): So these should basically just be...

[2:21:07] Trustee Graham (probable): Let's try one.

[2:21:08] Trustee Graham (probable): We'll start with one.

[2:21:09] Trustee Graham (probable): yeah i want to try one yeah to see how it works this is there's no agenda we're listening

[2:21:15] Trustee Graham (probable): community gets to talk so

[2:21:17] Trustee Maude (probable): so this these are not just decisions

[2:21:18] Trustee Graham (probable): they've got decision making

[2:21:19] Trustee Maude (probable): there's not anything so two trustees can meet to meet with the community everything's cool

[2:21:25] Trustee Maude (probable): any concerns from staff on that through

[2:21:28] Voice 15: the chair i would echo that as well um being mindful

[2:21:32] Voice 15: whole um but with two trustees together uh talking about business constitutes a meeting

[2:21:39] Voice 15: a public meeting so listening to comments is still not a meeting um but i do want to

[2:21:48] Voice 15: maybe i'll confirm that just after lunch if we need to formalize that in some sort of way

[2:21:53] Voice 15: to make it happen right um and if we need to call it a special meeting or something like that but

[2:22:00] Voice 15: i'll confirm that given what you know i

[2:22:03] Trustee Maude (probable): know i've made a trust policy statement we had two

[2:22:06] Trustee Maude (probable): community gatherings and all it was was two trustees sat unless we were asked questions

[2:22:14] Trustee Maude (probable): we gave feedback but it was basically it was observing information not so it seems to be

[2:22:20] Trustee Maude (probable): reasonably kosher but we'll make sure that it's really kosher because we don't like getting yelled

[2:22:24] Trustee Maude (probable): that two

[2:22:25] Voice 15: pieces to not make decisions yeah yeah yeah no that's not

[2:22:29] Trustee Graham (probable): the intent at all

[2:22:31] Trustee Graham (probable): yeah so

[2:22:32] Trustee Graham (probable): do you say you want more time to to i'll

[2:22:34] Voice 6: just double check sure

[2:22:35] Trustee Graham (probable): this works for me

[2:22:37] Voice 6: i

[2:22:37] Trustee Graham (probable): think it's

[2:22:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): only fifty dollars which is crazy but i'll i can double check but i believe it's

[2:22:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): on it let's add another 50 for

[2:22:53] Trustee Graham (probable): uh for uh water and coffee and yeah and this is

[2:22:59] Voice 15: just like a one time

[2:23:01] Voice 15: not a scheduled routine just to try it okay

[2:23:04] Trustee Maude (probable): so is there a movement within the local trust

[2:23:07] Trustee Maude (probable): so

[2:23:07] Voice 15: if

[2:23:11] Trustee Maude (probable): they want to go forward with this is that my motion or do they just access that

[2:23:19] Trustee Maude (probable): that those funds i'll

[2:23:22] Voice 15: double check because i'm sort of navigating

[2:23:24] Trustee Maude (probable): yeah same thing yeah

[2:23:26] Voice 15: so um i'll

[2:23:27] Voice 15: figure that out and be able to advise that chair perfect budget and it needs a resolution

[2:23:34] and we'll talk at lunch as to the date and then we'll have that piece

[2:23:39] okay thanks very much so

[2:23:44] Trustee Maude (probable): now is your perfect time to break i think this is great i think so

[2:23:47] Trustee Maude (probable): so so we're scheduled half hour half

[2:23:50] Voice 15: hour so we can come back at 12 if you got me okay well

[2:23:55] Trustee Maude (probable): that sounds great well thank you very much

[2:55:39] Voice 11: All right, we are back.

[2:55:41] Voice 11: In your honor.

[2:55:42] Voice 11: Oh,

[2:55:42] Trustee Maude (probable): well, I don't know how I did it, but it does my job.

[2:55:49] Trustee Maude (probable): All right, so our first state is our bylaw enforcement notification bylaw amendment.

[2:55:55] We have our bylaw enforcement manager here.

[2:56:00] So are you making a presentation or are you just answering questions?

[2:56:04] Well, I'll speak briefly on it, Chair.

[2:56:06] Voice 19: So good afternoon. I can do a, I mean, I think the staff report speaks for itself.

[2:56:13] Voice 19: The purpose for putting this forward towards the Local Trust Committee is that last year, the Citing and Use,

[2:56:21] Voice 19: we filed a number 52 Citing and Use permit bylaw for them and it was rescinded.

[2:56:27] Voice 19: so that meant that there was no uh contravention possible or the

[2:56:34] Voice 19: contravention deciding use permit file where anyone with more than a 10 by 10 structure must

[2:56:39] Voice 19: get the permit uh so that was the first thing that was identified that would require an amendment

[2:56:44] Voice 19: to the bend by law the second issue is with the original schedule a within the adopted

[2:56:52] Voice 19: and then by law there are some errors and i call them errors and omissions so those also needed to

[2:56:59] Voice 19: be corrected and overall the point that i would like the local trust committee to take away is

[2:57:07] Voice 19: that they can make all the decisions here on what they want to enforce on and what they want to have

[2:57:16] Voice 19: a penalty for that's what the two schedules within the bend by logs represent uh listed and the

[2:57:24] Voice 19: penalty uh that can be applied to it up to 500 and whether or not you wish to have a 100 discount if

[2:57:33] Voice 19: someone's compliance agreement or if you want a compliance agreement to be possible for such a

[2:57:40] Voice 19: contravention so i know there's the ongoing concerns about housing there's concerns about

[2:57:45] Voice 19: housing uh how to affect enforcement on non-committed dwellings when it was originally

[2:57:50] Voice 19: adopted discussions that go well into the past all the way back to 2011 so i would make the point

[2:57:58] Voice 19: that the local trust committee can amend the schedule a and remove anything that might be

[2:58:06] Voice 19: interpreted as a penalty for non-committed housing the schedule actually doesn't it doesn't make any

[2:58:14] Voice 19: reference to unlawful dwellings and i don't even know if it makes a reference to non-committed

[2:58:19] Voice 19: dwellings i know it makes reference to the use of travel trailers uh that's a contravention

[2:58:25] Voice 19: it's being used as a dwelling so the local trust committee can amend the schedule and it can remove

[2:58:30] Voice 19: that if it's so important i think there may be 100 convention uh contraventions listed

[2:58:36] Voice 19: so you can have one or you can have 100. it's entirely up to the committee

[2:58:44] Trustee Maude (probable): but so to be clear

[2:58:46] Trustee Maude (probable): is because there is a little bit of controversy out there as it tends to be is that everything

[2:58:52] Trustee Maude (probable): listed here is already contained within the denman island land it

[2:58:57] Voice 19: doesn't create new law

[2:58:59] Voice 19: the fact that uh you know for whatever reasons it was never listed in any of the

[2:59:05] Voice 19: band violence for honest trust uh the contravention for failure to commit an inspection

[2:59:12] Voice 19: I don't fully know why that didn't happen and so all of the then bylaws actually do

[2:59:20] Voice 19: not have that but it's not new law if someone does not permit the inspection that is permitted

[2:59:27] Voice 19: under the land use by law it's a contravention and one it's an offense act prosecution if

[2:59:35] Voice 19: the local trust committee wishes it and also it's can be obstruction of a peace officer

[2:59:41] Voice 19: which can be a criminal charge so it doesn't putting the penalty in the schedule doesn't

[2:59:46] Voice 19: create a new a new law no

[2:59:48] Trustee Maude (probable): i just it's because some of the statements to be honest

[2:59:53] Trustee Maude (probable): When I looked at this and I was talking to fellow trustee,

[3:00:00] and they they said is this an april fool's joke because some of the some of the violence that

[3:00:05] the contraventions here are like um figure for to have a residential appearance in the home

[3:00:12] i don't know how that's in the violence i honestly don't and i think between the the local trust

[3:00:17] committee perhaps there's going to be a

[3:00:19] Trustee Maude (probable): deep-seated having to go through the well

[3:00:22] Trustee Maude (probable): line by line and see why some of these contraventions actually exist

[3:00:26] Trustee Maude (probable): this because they don't

[3:00:27] Voice 19: really seem to be able to chair i believe that may have to do with home

[3:00:31] Voice 19: occupations or if you have a home business or home occupation you are supposed to maintain

[3:00:35] Voice 19: the residential periods and if you don't for whatever reason it's too much advertising

[3:00:40] Voice 19: then that can be a contravention it's i don't know if it's ever been used in fact there's

[3:00:46] Voice 19: within all there's 10 local trust areas that have adopted uh the bend bylaw with hundreds and

[3:00:55] Voice 19: hundreds of contraventions i don't even know if 10 percent get used it's a very small number but

[3:01:03] Voice 19: all of them when it was originally done it lists everything basically i guess just in case

[3:01:10] Voice 19: going through the land use by law line by line and here's well yes this is a contravention and

[3:01:17] Voice 19: you can have a penalty for this it's you don't have to contain it in your schedule you can pare

[3:01:22] Voice 19: it down to the most important item that you wish to pursue or not pursue just wanted to make that

[3:01:30] Voice 19: clear it wasn't something we were making up it's actually is these are all within them

[3:01:35] Voice 19: and then the thing about failure uh permitted inspection i've looked through dozens of uh

[3:01:44] Voice 19: mti bylaws and bylaws for other jurisdictions and they all have the fail the contravention

[3:01:50] Voice 19: or failure to permit inspection that's universal within the local governments of dc that i could

[3:01:57] Voice 19: buy there might be some that don't have it but i haven't found it yet okay trustees

[3:02:04] Trustee Maude (probable): over to you who wants to be first i'm happy to take this one sure

[3:02:11] so um for those who don't know um i ran as a trustee and i ran

[3:02:18] successfully three times.

[3:02:19] So I did nine years as a trustee

[3:02:21] and my last

[3:02:23] work was nine

[3:02:25] years. So I took eight years off

[3:02:27] and then I ran again for this term.

[3:02:29] During, I think it was my second term,

[3:02:32] Miles Drew

[3:02:33] was

[3:02:35] the

[3:02:38] director of

[3:02:39] brought to the

[3:02:41] Devin Wilk, which was to pay his attention

[3:02:42] Trustee Graham (probable): of this municipal style ticketing

[3:02:46] Trustee Graham (probable): My co-trustee at the time, Louise Bell, a very smart, passionate Islander, very smart woman, and I, we discussed it and we both agreed that we weren't happy with the idea of a ticketing by-law.

[3:02:59] Trustee Graham (probable): And we said, no, we don't want to. And we were quite happy with that.

[3:03:04] Trustee Graham (probable): And one of the reasons, there were actually two reasons that I wasn't happy with the idea of a ticketing by-law.

[3:03:10] Trustee Graham (probable): One, it's a monetary penalty, which would not affect everybody with the same degree of pain.

[3:03:19] If you're a multimillionaire, and you have to be these days if you buy a house on M&M, a $500

[3:03:26] Trustee Graham (probable): fine is meaningless.

[3:03:28] Trustee Graham (probable): If you're someone well below the poverty level, and I've lived most of my life below the poverty level, $500 is a lot of money.

[3:03:35] Trustee Graham (probable): so right off the bat it's a disproportionate pain instrument now i understand that from a

[3:03:45] Trustee Graham (probable): enforcement perspective you have to have a stick a threat some way of pushing someone

[3:03:53] Trustee Graham (probable): into compliance and my guess is most of the time just making someone aware that what they're doing

[3:04:00] Trustee Graham (probable): is contributing to the bylaw.

[3:04:02] Trustee Graham (probable): Most people are reasonable,

[3:04:04] Trustee Graham (probable): and I think once they realize,

[3:04:05] Trustee Graham (probable): oh, I didn't know that,

[3:04:06] Trustee Graham (probable): they're gonna move themselves into compliance.

[3:04:08] Trustee Graham (probable): But there's a percentage of people who aren't like that,

[3:04:12] Trustee Graham (probable): and they need a threat.

[3:04:14] Trustee Graham (probable): Without the bylaw enforcement notification system,

[3:04:17] Trustee Graham (probable): you have the threat of court.

[3:04:19] Trustee Graham (probable): That's a pretty serious threat.

[3:04:20] Trustee Graham (probable): In fact, the letter that arrives from your office

[3:04:24] Trustee Graham (probable): is a fairly strongly worded letter,

[3:04:26] Trustee Graham (probable): and it probably scares most people into compliance.

[3:04:28] Trustee Graham (probable): compliance there's the threat that's required to move someone into compliance so uh trustee

[3:04:34] Trustee Graham (probable): louisville and i were both happy with that subsequent to that the previous local trust

[3:04:40] Trustee Graham (probable): committee adopted the bed bylaw that was their ability as the decision makers i'm now back as

[3:04:46] Trustee Graham (probable): a trustee i still don't like the bed bylaw and so i am i have a motion that uh would remove all

[3:04:54] Trustee Graham (probable): all bylaw infractions except one.

[3:04:57] Trustee Graham (probable): And the one that

[3:04:58] Trustee Graham (probable): I would keep in

[3:04:59] Trustee Graham (probable): is the one for short-term vacation rentals.

[3:05:01] Trustee Graham (probable): And the reason I would keep that particular bylaw infraction

[3:05:04] Trustee Graham (probable): is because that is a profit-motivated bylaw infraction.

[3:05:08] Trustee Graham (probable): Someone is running a short-term vacation rental to make money.

[3:05:11] Trustee Graham (probable): So $500 to them, that means something.

[3:05:15] Trustee Graham (probable): And that's the only appropriate, in my estimation,

[3:05:18] Trustee Graham (probable): the only appropriate bylaw infraction

[3:05:21] Trustee Graham (probable): that a ticket would actually work.

[3:05:23] Trustee Graham (probable): other than that every other bylaw infraction if you are trying to move that person into compliance

[3:05:29] Trustee Graham (probable): that letter saying we're going to take it to court should be enough and if it's not

[3:05:34] Trustee Graham (probable): the decision to go to court rests at this table which is where it should we should have the

[3:05:41] ability to decide which bylaw infraction

[3:05:45] Trustee Graham (probable): is worthy of the money and time and effort

[3:05:49] Trustee Graham (probable): spent to go to court so that's my spiel do you have a motion you want to put forward i do and

[3:05:56] Trustee Graham (probable): i thought i would listen to my own trustee yeah i mean i i um and

[3:06:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): for starters i was

[3:06:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i was uh in my mind like i went through this list and looking at the things and and yeah i mean i

[3:06:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): totally respect that bylaw bylaws exist for a reason we need them to uh um

[3:06:21] it is occasionally required to have a stick

[3:06:24] to prevent things that are happening

[3:06:26] that are not in line with ROTP.

[3:06:31] And this

[3:06:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): seems to create a lot of very specific tools.

[3:06:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And especially if most of those tools are not in use,

[3:06:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): like if we're using less than 10% of them,

[3:06:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): then it seems to me like it's an overabundance

[3:06:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of legislation for whatever else.

[3:06:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): When I was trying to get through and reading all this,

[3:06:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I found I had to refer back to the existing 232 bylaw number 232, which is our existing bylaw schedules where they live, I believe that's correct.

[3:06:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Because a lot of these in the draft, and I recognize this is a draft, and maybe this is just a procedural thing that I'm misunderstanding, but a lot of these are abbreviated, so they don't complete the, so there's a 2.3.2 says encroachment into a setback

[3:07:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): from a natural boundary of and then just ends um so i was initially very confused i was like what

[3:07:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is this and i have like a list of like what is a boundary of what the boundary of this a natural

[3:07:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): one and then i went back to two three two i was like oh okay they do say them in fuller language

[3:07:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): there but the the language of what was being proposed in this in this proposal is is to adopt

[3:07:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the the the new schedules as they are written here which didn't seem to be complete to me um

[3:07:44] all of this is is to say yeah i mean i i'm i i would agree with with trustee graham um i i think

[3:07:51] that uh if

[3:07:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): there is a serious issue court is a very effective you know if there is a serious

[3:07:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): issue and we need to get to that point that that should be a decision that comes past this table

[3:08:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and it allows us to do the work um i i think that's our job but it's part of the job um

[3:08:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yeah a lot more but it's not

[3:08:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): really relevant i'll put my motion on the

[3:08:17] Trustee Graham (probable): secret it flies um i move

[3:08:21] Trustee Graham (probable): that the denman island local trust committee bylaw number 247 cited as denman island local trust

[3:08:28] Trustee Graham (probable): committee bylaw enforcement notification bylaw 2019 be amended by removing all violence from

[3:08:41] Trustee Graham (probable): from Schedule A contraventions and penalties.

[3:08:46] Trustee Graham (probable): Common.

[3:08:49] Trustee Graham (probable): Except 2.1.2.

[3:08:53] Trustee Graham (probable): 2.1.2 is the short-term vacation rental.

[3:08:57] Voice 11: Other discussion?

[3:09:10] Voice 11: Before we vote, go to the final.

[3:09:14] Trustee Maude (probable): Sam?

[3:09:16] Trustee Maude (probable): No, and I would second that.

[3:09:18] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay, so just to read back on that, just so we're clear.

[3:09:23] Voice 12: Moves that the Dem and Item Local Trust Committee

[3:09:25] Voice 12: Committee bylaw number 247, cited as DEM and I, our local trust committee bylaw enforcement notification bylaw 2019,

[3:09:34] Voice 12: be amended by removing all bylaws from Schedule A, contraventions and penalties, except 2.1.2, the short-term vacation rental bylaw.

[3:09:44] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:09:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): The only thing, because we should also perhaps look at Schedule B, which is, I don't know.

[3:09:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we'll talk about that otherwise but that's the failure to obtain the safety permit thing which

[3:10:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is a separate conversation chair

[3:10:03] Voice 15: um it sounds like through the wording of that resolution

[3:10:08] Voice 15: and i want to be clear that it's matching what um trustee graham is providing

[3:10:15] Voice 15: um the wording sounds like the bylaw is being rescinded i believe your intent is to refer to

[3:10:23] Voice 15: schedule a and the all of the section references of the ticket penalties you're

[3:10:30] Trustee Graham (probable): going to remove

[3:10:31] Trustee Graham (probable): all bylaws that are referenced in it's called bylaw section okay

[3:10:39] Voice 15: that helps for clarity if i

[3:10:40] Voice 15: can't mean all defer

[3:10:42] Trustee Graham (probable): to bylaws uh recorded in bylaw section from schedule a okay so i'm going

[3:10:49] Trustee Graham (probable): to take bylaws

[3:10:50] Voice 12: recorded in bylaw section

[3:10:53] Trustee Graham (probable): that's what that's that column is labeled bylaws bylaw

[3:10:57] Trustee Graham (probable): section singular so

[3:11:00] Voice 15: cutting through the chair that would mean we're proposing um to remove

[3:11:07] Voice 15: where it says and identifies the bylaw section with the penalty amounts all of those bylaw

[3:11:15] Voice 15: sessions from the schedule yes we'll

[3:11:18] Trustee Graham (probable): only have one bylaw and there will only be one item in

[3:11:23] Trustee Graham (probable): bylaw section that'll be 2.1.2 and that line is fine and

[3:11:27] Voice 15: i want to grant you this story thank you

[3:11:33] Voice 19: um i would just advise chair i would just advise that there are two legal opinions regarding

[3:11:39] Voice 19: for termination rentals on denman island that the local press committee should consider in camera for

[3:11:47] Voice 19: uh adopting this is that

[3:11:52] Trustee Graham (probable): going to be part of our in-camera we can discuss that absolutely

[3:11:57] Trustee Graham (probable): point

[3:11:58] Voice 3: of order chair our in-camera meetings only to protect the um confidentiality of

[3:12:05] Voice 3: individual bylaw uh enforcement actions i believe that any discussion on the actual

[3:12:12] Voice 3: bylaws needs to happen outside of camera

[3:12:15] Trustee Maude (probable): that's correct so i'll get some clarity here so

[3:12:20] Trustee Maude (probable): currently short-term vacation items are in the are in the band bylaw correct correct

[3:12:27] so there's by doing these actions that still keeps your other actions there's there's really

[3:12:39] Voice 19: the other information i think the ltc should consider especially considering these two legal

[3:12:44] Voice 19: opinions so there's

[3:12:47] Voice 3: no reason for those to be confidential sir well they're legal advice

[3:12:50] Trustee Maude (probable): please this is our meeting so what you're suggesting is perhaps we go to the in-camera

[3:13:01] Trustee Maude (probable): component we come out of the in-camera component to consider this motion i think that would be

[3:13:07] Trustee Maude (probable): advisable chair yeah so that's that's the best advice of staff so what would be happening is that

[3:13:13] we'll

[3:13:14] Trustee Maude (probable): defer this motion after the end camera component so we hear the legal stuff which we

[3:13:20] do have to consider it camera then we'll come out of camera to actually do the the motions is

[3:13:27] Trustee Maude (probable): everybody in agreement with that sure so that's sort of the process because we are bound to hear

[3:13:32] Trustee Maude (probable): hear that, that that information. So it is cool. It might not seem

[3:13:38] so. But it's the way we I think we should proceed. So if that's

[3:13:42] okay, we'll defer that. Now, you've had a further discussion

[3:13:47] about sending us or is that

[3:13:49] I wanted to just, I guess, get some more so more understanding.

[3:13:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So

[3:13:59] because

[3:14:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): this is so this is a second second schedule. So it's

[3:14:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a separate series of bylaws um what you're saying before is that a lot of other jurisdictions

[3:14:13] Trustee Borthwick (probable): have this this is a standard for

[3:14:15] Voice 19: the setting and use permit yeah

[3:14:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): for failure to obtain a setting

[3:14:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and use permit oh

[3:14:19] Voice 19: well denman and hornby are unique the other law well the stevie could also

[3:14:24] Voice 19: have a setting use permit by law but denman and hornby unique the regional district does not

[3:14:29] Voice 19: provide building inspection here so you're able to have the setting in use that's provincial law

[3:14:33] Voice 19: you can have the study of each permit bylaw so as it's your only check on new bills rather right is

[3:14:40] Voice 19: to ensure that the planning staff receive an application saying this is the new build new

[3:14:48] Voice 19: addition on the property that's the only um review of that that you optionally have uh for the rest

[3:14:56] Voice 19: of the northern islands you got the regional district uh the nine mall of the couch valley

[3:15:01] Voice 19: of each district and south you have the capital region building inspectors all reviewing these

[3:15:06] Voice 19: new builds so that i think yes you should keep schedule b and ensure that people are obtaining

[3:15:12] Voice 19: their permits for new construction i

[3:15:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): was i noticed that the discounted penalty within 14 days under

[3:15:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a2 has increased from 275 and in because that currently exists within so this bylaw already

[3:15:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It already exists within Schedule B and by-law.

[3:15:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It

[3:15:30] Voice 19: exists for the previous subject and use permit.

[3:15:33] Voice 19: And these fine amounts, the LTC can set them.

[3:15:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It was more a question of rationale more than just what we would like.

[3:15:43] Voice 19: Standardization across the local trust areas where a couple years ago they were really all raised.

[3:15:48] Voice 19: They were once approximately $300 and since then raised approximately $350 to $375 for the basic contravention.

[3:15:54] Voice 19: but you can do up to a 500 penalty and not obtaining a sighting and use permit is

[3:16:01] Voice 19: it's actually it's one of the most serious contraventions you would have here

[3:16:05] Voice 19: any new build should go through planning staff to ensure it complies with the language file yeah i

[3:16:10] Voice 19: mean i

[3:16:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): welcome input from the rest of it but i just make sure i just i think i understand now but

[3:16:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): it yeah i don't know if you have any thoughts well

[3:16:19] Trustee Graham (probable): as uh your pilot enforcement manager this

[3:16:25] Trustee Graham (probable): is the only opportunity for someone to have their plan reviewed by professionals to make sure they

[3:16:32] don't straddle a property line which has happened and that gets you in some serious

[3:16:37] Trustee Graham (probable): crap down the

[3:16:39] Trustee Graham (probable): road um so yeah it's the instrument that we have in place of building inspection there's still an

[3:16:46] Trustee Graham (probable): electrical inspection but i don't think there are any other inspections on them okay i believe that's

[3:16:52] Trustee Graham (probable): all right

[3:17:06] Trustee Maude (probable): so we'll move on from that uh to reports before you do chair yes i have

[3:17:13] Trustee Maude (probable): I have one

[3:17:13] Voice 21: quick question for the LTC.

[3:17:16] Voice 21: One quick question.

[3:17:16] Voice 21: You're germane to this discussion, if I could ask it.

[3:17:19] Voice 21: Certainly one quick question.

[3:17:21] Voice 21: In our bylaws, it used to say every day constitutes a new offense,

[3:17:27] Voice 21: which I assume is why the bylaw officer can write repeated tickets

[3:17:32] Voice 21: for the same offense.

[3:17:33] Voice 21: He's never done it daily, but it has been done monthly.

[3:17:37] Voice 21: I'm wondering if there could be a limit if you're amending this bylaw.

[3:17:41] Voice 21: how

[3:17:41] Voice 8: often

[3:17:42] Voice 21: is the bylaw officer allowed to find the same offense

[3:17:45] Voice 21: while it is under resolution or discussion?

[3:17:51] I would say that currently on the table is temporary,

[3:17:55] it's

[3:17:56] Trustee Maude (probable): for short-term vacation rentals.

[3:17:58] Trustee Maude (probable): That's it.

[3:17:59] Trustee Maude (probable): And that might be the heavy hammer we might want to keep.

[3:18:02] Trustee Maude (probable): Yeah.

[3:18:02] Trustee Maude (probable): I

[3:18:02] Voice 21: don't have an issue with it.

[3:18:04] Voice 21: Yeah.

[3:18:05] Voice 21: Proposal taxes.

[3:18:07] Voice 21: Okay.

[3:18:08] So thank you very much.

[3:18:11] Thanks.

[3:18:12] so we're okay to proceed all right so coming down we have reports trust and service report

[3:18:18] dated february 2023 informative um but just for receipt okay um application report the um

[3:18:28] dated march 27 2023 any staff

[3:18:35] Trustee Maude (probable): want to go through it or any comments or through

[3:18:38] Voice 15: the chair no comments

[3:18:39] Voice 15: from me so

[3:18:41] Trustee Maude (probable): that's just a fairly straightforward but

[3:18:42] Voice 15: if there are comments um from the trustees

[3:18:45] Voice 15: if i may

[3:18:47] Trustee Graham (probable): um so the only question i have is regarding the denman housing association denman

[3:18:52] Trustee Graham (probable): green um application um i think we're just waiting now for them to get their financing

[3:19:00] Trustee Graham (probable): so i

[3:19:03] Voice 15: believe the current status through the current status from february 28 2023 and this

[3:19:10] Voice 15: is on page 111 of the agenda is um there's a couple formalities of signing the restrictive

[3:19:19] Voice 15: covenant with legal um signatures registration of the document on title um and then the next steps

[3:19:26] Voice 15: would be pretending to go through their financing to get their plans together okay thank you

[3:19:34] Trustee Maude (probable): so the

[3:19:35] Trustee Maude (probable): the covenant is basically because i know i i did my little signing thingy on that

[3:19:40] Trustee Maude (probable): so that's basically now with the lawyers blah blah blah and i'm just trying to refer into

[3:19:45] Voice 15: the status of the gear we don't have any more information on the process but

[3:19:50] Trustee Maude (probable): should be fairly

[3:19:51] Trustee Maude (probable): close so with

[3:19:53] Voice 15: it's with the legal team all

[3:19:55] Trustee Maude (probable): right um trustee local steps report um so you see you

[3:20:02] actually do have a budget to do things um and it does look like there's some money left over for

[3:20:09] potential although is your end so

[3:20:11] Trustee Maude (probable): those all zero ups so it does appear that there is some

[3:20:16] Trustee Maude (probable): some money for your your projects um adopted policy and standard resolutions again for information

[3:20:23] Trustee Maude (probable): um i don't think there's anything too special there um and then the local trust committee

[3:20:31] any web page which i'm assuming that's referring to our local landing site on the island's trust

[3:20:38] website as opposed to a separate web page which some trustees are the local trust committees have

[3:20:46] so there's nothing

[3:20:47] Trustee Maude (probable): any comments anything for that not today not today okay so we were

[3:20:53] Trustee Maude (probable): go forward to the work program active projects report um again

[3:21:00] Voice 22: is there any questions or any

[3:21:04] Voice 22: comments um i wanted to so

[3:21:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): relating to uh this is i guess it's i guess it's maybe not directly

[3:21:14] engaged with this um yeah i don't know if this exactly follows here but um i would love to and

[3:21:22] i know we just have a new communications uh staff person for the trust um i would love to um have

[3:21:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): some formal engagement with the Commonwealth's First Nations. I know that's not exactly within

[3:21:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): this, but it's not a project. I can ask this at a different point as well, if that's better,

[3:21:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but I'd love to have an introduction. They have a new chief in council, and I would like to

[3:21:50] create a letter from the local press council, just introducing ourselves, I suppose. I don't

[3:21:56] know what the intergovernmental etiquette is there, but I would like to pursue it.

[3:22:01] the same first nations

[3:22:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as whiskey no i don't think well comox i think does have some relationship with

[3:22:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the mesquite but no it's not this amount of us yeah yeah that's it yeah yeah if

[3:22:17] Voice 15: i made through

[3:22:17] Voice 15: the chair um there are some letters being drafted to be sent out from the island's trust to first

[3:22:27] Voice 15: First Nations across the Islands Trust areas

[3:22:30] Voice 15: where our territories with our islands

[3:22:33] Voice 15: are in the territories and to say an introduction

[3:22:36] Voice 15: and to explain which projects the Islands Trust

[3:22:39] Voice 15: is working on as a way to say hello

[3:22:43] Voice 15: and offer that opportunity to have conversations.

[3:22:48] Voice 15: If that's an additional letter,

[3:22:50] Voice 15: you would like to provide that could be something

[3:22:53] Voice 15: think that um our staff communications person morgana could help facilitate it yeah i would

[3:23:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): love that and it's less uh specific to projects it's more of a general uh uh i i would like us

[3:23:08] to have a relationship with them and i know that the previous ltc did have a good relationship with

[3:23:12] the previous

[3:23:13] Trustee Borthwick (probable): chief and council and i i would like for us to have a dialogue if they if they want to

[3:23:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i would like to invite them so the

[3:23:21] Voice 15: chair um that could be through a letter if you wanted to drop

[3:23:25] Voice 15: something that can help sort of get that going for you or work it's to reach out

[3:23:30] Voice 15: would

[3:23:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): my best course of action then be to speak to with morgana

[3:23:35] Voice 15: i can um put that in a follow-up

[3:23:38] Voice 15: action wonderful

[3:23:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i would love that that would be great i'm still figuring out how to do stuff

[3:23:45] Trustee Maude (probable): so we have introductions so at some point do you want to put out an invitation to either attend one

[3:23:56] Trustee Maude (probable): of our meetings or for us to attend one of their meetings yeah

[3:23:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i would love for us to have a meeting

[3:24:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): if they again if they're interested um but i i there hasn't been any formal engagement i know

[3:24:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): they're very busy um so i you know no shade on that but i do think it behoves us to i sent an

[3:24:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): email before we were sworn in and saying hey i'm going to be a trustee but i they were just about

[3:24:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to have an election we had just had an election there was a bunch of stuff that was not coming

[3:24:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): from an official trust email i'm assuming that there are more official channels that will be

[3:24:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): more likely to to actually start conversations i would like to do that but this is not specific to

[3:24:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i don't want to just talk to them when we have a business proposition or a project going forward

[3:24:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i'd like to establish a working relationship regardless myself it

[3:24:44] Trustee Graham (probable): seems pretty safe if the

[3:24:45] Trustee Graham (probable): letter is simply an introduction and looking forward to meeting at your convenience yeah

[3:24:50] Trustee Graham (probable): well i know i

[3:24:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): know that um i was speaking with uh trustee patrick from salt spring obviously they

[3:24:56] have you know a very different relationship this is

[3:24:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): very it's very complicated down there

[3:25:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): um but i know they did uh a tour around their islands in a boat with a bunch of the different

[3:25:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): first nations and they you know they went around and they talked and they heard stories about

[3:25:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the places that the history of those places and i was thinking it would be really nice to do that

[3:25:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): with hornbeam ltc and be like hey let's let's yeah let's talk about these places let's have

[3:25:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a conversation and that that's important to me uh in as we go forward so let's let's start with

[3:25:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): just a simple redemption yeah yeah but i would welcome advice on how to frame that

[3:25:34] Voice 22: the staff will draft the letter so that we don't um we have that heat in our mouth

[3:25:39] Voice 22: through

[3:25:40] Voice 15: the chair this action we can capture that yeah

[3:25:44] Voice 22: that would be great

[3:25:45] Voice 15: it doesn't need a motion

[3:25:46] Voice 15: yeah

[3:25:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yeah i just yeah yeah thank you

[3:25:49] Trustee Graham (probable): very much thank you i'm sorry for

[3:25:51] Trustee Graham (probable): i got a question on the um the active reports so the farming regulation on the project

[3:25:58] Trustee Graham (probable): is that a referral is that are we just waiting for the referrals to uh to come back before

[3:26:04] Trustee Graham (probable): that comes back to us through

[3:26:07] Voice 15: the chair i don't have a specific status update on this

[3:26:11] Voice 15: one unfortunately but i can find out and share that very

[3:26:17] Trustee Maude (probable): important um okay so future projects

[3:26:21] Trustee Maude (probable): report um

[3:26:23] Voice 11: so

[3:26:28] Trustee Maude (probable): that's those are the things that are on your radar we've done enough

[3:26:32] going on but um trustee um had an additional conversation

[3:26:41] um

[3:26:42] Voice 10: yeah i so i'm just sort of like taking everything in and trying to um also consider

[3:26:55] Voice 10: um they're so one of the things that i'm doing a lot of exploration on currently is

[3:27:02] Voice 10: CMHC has a funding program that they're going to be launching in June and I met with one of their

[3:27:09] Voice 10: people it's fairly open and I asked a whole bunch of questions to and I'm also gathering our

[3:27:17] Voice 10: executive our staff and technical team together tomorrow to discuss if we are eligible can we

[3:27:25] Voice 10: take the funding and how can we use it seems like um i just have some responses today to some of my

[3:27:32] Voice 10: questions they're not perfectly answered but um it seems like um if if the the best way to apply

[3:27:39] Voice 10: for this funding would be at the community by community basis and the ltc because they're the

[3:27:44] Voice 10: land use authority um for the community would be uh an eligible applicant um the challenge is so

[3:27:54] Voice 10: like i was mentioning before things are moving very very fast right now um so to be eligible

[3:28:00] Voice 10: for this funding um one piece is you need to have a needs assessment we can get 75 there um they'll

[3:28:06] Voice 10: hear they've done a lot of work for us um and there's some elements that won't be we won't have

[3:28:12] Voice 10: but we can identify what those are and potentially have funding to move that forward because i had

[3:28:18] Voice 10: this was part of the discussion that I had with CMHC staff. The other piece is having a

[3:28:24] Voice 10: housing action plan. So obviously we're far from having anything, but we're very close.

[3:28:29] Voice 10: Like there's a lot, like we're very close. There's a lot of work that's been done.

[3:28:35] Voice 10: And again, coming back, because I've been working with Main Island, I've been able to wrestle with

[3:28:41] Voice 10: how do we bring all the information together. And I think I can do that. And I think I can review

[3:28:46] Voice 10: use some of the documents we've got a um you know recently presented to me a list of of land use

[3:28:54] Voice 10: options based on what currently exists and um i can do that kind of assessment um but uh your

[3:29:03] Voice 10: next meeting is june um and what so one of the things that i had recommended to main island was

[3:29:09] Voice 10: that um i can we've got so they've got now got that report and what what i need to do is is

[3:29:15] Voice 10: to identify some actions that could be part of an action plan um but clearly that that would need

[3:29:21] Voice 10: to be vetted with the community discussed so the way that i've seen is that this funding call opens

[3:29:28] Voice 10: in june and it's only going to be open for 45 days so it feels like there needs to be a conversation

[3:29:35] Voice 10: with the community that gives me enough time to develop a a report for the community um to have

[3:29:43] Voice 10: a discussion and then by the june meeting i have the potential to to um suggest a number

[3:29:49] Voice 10: of actions that could be part of an action plan so what i'm asking so i'm just putting

[3:29:54] Voice 10: that information forward to you and i i think um i think the resolution that i'd be looking

[3:30:00] Voice 10: to support what i see as as my platform you may have some questions would just be um a resolution

[3:30:06] Voice 10: to organize a community information meeting based on housing the timing of which the timing of which

[3:30:14] Voice 10: we'll have to figure out um and then um and then by june we may be in a place where where we have

[3:30:21] Voice 10: have a discussion on and then we have some actions moving forward and potentially in a place that

[3:30:30] Voice 10: no so that's where

[3:30:33] Trustee Graham (probable): we absolutely need to have

[3:30:35] Trustee Graham (probable): normally i would wait and i don't want to wait i was hoping to have the

[3:30:40] Trustee Graham (probable): housing advisory planning commission appointed by today but yeah

[3:30:46] Voice 10: that's another question for you in

[3:30:47] Voice 10: terms of timing because it's it's clear that you you also want to have that that group engaged in

[3:30:52] Voice 10: the conversation well

[3:30:53] Trustee Graham (probable): the advantage of that commission is they supposedly we appoint the

[3:30:57] Trustee Graham (probable): right people that they are a cross-section they represent our community so a lot of the work that

[3:31:02] Trustee Graham (probable): that they do refines and expands so that when they larger community gets a chance to look at it

[3:31:09] Trustee Graham (probable): we moved i had but let's have the community information meeting anyway and have the

[3:31:16] Trustee Graham (probable): recommendations there for people to chew on yeah

[3:31:19] Voice 10: so it has to happen

[3:31:20] Voice 10: sometime probably in may

[3:31:21] Voice 10: And I

[3:31:22] Voice 10: have to look at, I have to look at like sequencing of work based on, you know, but I think ideally it's going to be a place where you potentially have an action plan that communities have a chance to have a discussion about.

[3:31:34] Voice 10: And the thing is, and I can describe it a little bit more when I have more information, but the funding is fairly loose.

[3:31:41] Voice 10: And so the action plans can be things like develop flexible housing policy and identify what flexible housing is.

[3:31:52] Voice 10: we you know following if we're following

[3:31:53] Voice 10: names that sort of thing or develop a policy for our

[3:31:57] Voice 10: secondary suites or you know i have been reading that there's few things for housing like to

[3:32:01] Voice 10: address that as a thing

[3:32:03] Voice 11: you know those are all

[3:32:04] Voice 10: projects um those are all the kinds of projects

[3:32:09] Trustee Graham (probable): so this is a this is a process that the honest trust has moved into since i was a trustee before

[3:32:17] Trustee Graham (probable): his prior like 10 years ago the planner would have been doing that work based on the information

[3:32:22] Trustee Graham (probable): that the report the planner would draft uh proposed bylaw amendments and then that would

[3:32:29] be presented to the community

[3:32:30] Trustee Graham (probable): and to me that sounds a faster process than going through a

[3:32:35] Trustee Graham (probable): funding application getting a bunch of money putting it out to tender getting an accountant

[3:32:39] Trustee Graham (probable): getting a consultant having that consultant do that work we wait another six eight months for

[3:32:46] Trustee Graham (probable): that so as much as it's exciting to

[3:32:49] Voice 10: build housing they

[3:32:52] Trustee Graham (probable): see me she's not going to build anything are

[3:32:54] Trustee Graham (probable): they i'm

[3:32:55] Voice 10: talking about this actually

[3:32:56] Trustee Graham (probable): actually building houses see i'm all for that

[3:32:59] Voice 10: subsidizing

[3:32:59] Voice 10: developing

[3:33:00] Trustee Graham (probable): policy i'm not so excited actually building something

[3:33:04] Voice 10: this is on the ground stuff oh my god

[3:33:07] Voice 10: this is another report oh okay yeah

[3:33:10] Trustee Graham (probable): that's what it

[3:33:10] Voice 10: is yeah i understand no

[3:33:12] Voice 11: no this is

[3:33:13] Voice 10: that this is that's why it's unusual

[3:33:14] Voice 10: it's actual and um again my correspondence is really quite open the list of possibilities on

[3:33:21] Voice 10: on their application is very very wide so it can be used for studies it can but it also can be used

[3:33:28] Voice 10: for actual and i asked them like i said well if we were to get the money for x and there's um

[3:33:36] Voice 10: you know, they want to build another senior's housing unit,

[3:33:39] Voice 10: could they just throw all the money into the building?

[3:33:43] Voice 10: Yes, they could.

[3:33:46] Voice 10: It's super flexible.

[3:33:47] Voice 10: And again, I'm not promising anything here.

[3:33:50] Voice 10: All I'm saying is I'm doing my best to explore it

[3:33:54] Voice 10: and to see whether it'll be possible for us,

[3:33:58] Voice 10: Island's Trust, the faculty,

[3:34:00] Voice 10: apply for it and distribute the funding.

[3:34:03] Voice 10: Like, it's going to require regional district cooperation

[3:34:06] Voice 10: as well so i'm exploring it but what i'm saying is um it would be good to be ready so i can see

[3:34:13] Voice 10: a path where we can like the community could potentially be ready for such a thing and again

[3:34:19] Voice 10: like things are happening so fast that you don't know the products might come up with a similar

[3:34:23] Voice 10: thing at some point so um it's just trying to try to get things moving so

[3:34:29] Trustee Graham (probable): they started this

[3:34:30] Trustee Graham (probable): one where the community information meeting is just part of building a an application it would

[3:34:35] Trustee Graham (probable): be part

[3:34:35] Voice 10: of building it up okay

[3:34:36] Trustee Graham (probable): so i'll move it down request staff if

[3:34:41] Trustee Maude (probable): you already have a motion

[3:34:43] Trustee Maude (probable): trust

[3:34:43] Voice 11: me

[3:34:51] Voice 12: request

[3:34:56] Trustee Graham (probable): staff schedule a housing um community housing information meeting

[3:35:03] Trustee Graham (probable): sometime in may a

[3:35:06] Voice 12: community housing community information meeting

[3:35:09] Trustee Graham (probable): any words

[3:35:10] Trustee Graham (probable): thank

[3:35:11] Voice 12: you

[3:35:14] Trustee Graham (probable): sometime in may thanks for me okay so yeah let's

[3:35:18] Trustee Graham (probable): let's make sure it's uh as far as

[3:35:20] Trustee Graham (probable): timing let's make sure it's an evening meeting so that people that work will be able to attend

[3:35:25] Trustee Graham (probable): right

[3:35:26] Voice 10: okay so we'll when

[3:35:27] Trustee Graham (probable): you're looking at your calendar yes another discussion

[3:35:31] Trustee Graham (probable): Do

[3:35:32] Voice 10: we need any more information on that?

[3:35:34] Voice 10: No, that's all I need to move forward, yeah.

[3:35:36] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay, so call the question, okay.

[3:35:38] Voice 10: What about a workshop?

[3:35:40] Voice 15: It's actually, yeah.

[3:35:44] Voice 15: Cool.

[3:35:45] Voice 15: Through the chair, with the planner Chadwick's update and sharing some

[3:35:52] Voice 15: information of what

[3:35:53] Voice 15: the Denman housing review looked like and that information and the recent information

[3:35:58] Voice 15: about the grant funding that information also need to be and that's the intention of the regional

[3:36:03] Voice 15: planning team to share that so it's for the island's trust as well so you just happen here

[3:36:09] Voice 15: our trust happens to be one of the first ones to

[3:36:13] Voice 10: hear the information because there is some project

[3:36:17] Voice 10: to the chair again um um just speaking to the they're actually using increasing efficiency

[3:36:27] Voice 10: regional planning approach because now i've taken on this role and as a result of that

[3:36:35] Voice 10: i understand all of the water stuff and i'm understanding all of the housing stuff and

[3:36:41] Voice 10: every time i do a project and every time i work with a community i learn more and so it's sort

[3:36:47] Voice 10: of everything's kind of built on itself so it's a way of developing expertise in the organization

[3:36:54] Voice 10: which i i you know i when i'm feeling myself it does really contribute to efficiency

[3:37:01] Trustee Maude (probable): and also just to be um if there's potential to get the housing advisory committee appointed

[3:37:10] Trustee Maude (probable): so so we might be able to make that happen and

[3:37:13] Voice 15: through the chair i was looking for an

[3:37:15] Voice 15: opportunity to follow through on those two okay

[3:37:17] Voice 15: so if now is a good time to stay

[3:37:20] Voice 15: confirmed um we

[3:37:22] We

[3:37:22] Voice 15: can. The reason to do a resolution at meeting, that would be a good reason due to timing and wanting to make sure that happens in a timely manner.

[3:37:33] Voice 15: The advisory committee and with regards to the other requests, no resolution is needed to speak with the community members.

[3:37:43] Voice 15: It really is for the discussion to be mindful of keeping business matters and decisions to ROTC meetings.

[3:37:51] Voice 15: It's more just to hear information.

[3:37:53] Voice 15: And there is a budget.

[3:37:55] Voice 15: The budget report you see in the agenda is from the last fiscal year.

[3:38:00] Voice 15: So there is time to spend.

[3:38:05] Voice 15: Do

[3:38:08] Trustee Graham (probable): you require a resolution to withdraw that money?

[3:38:12] Voice 15: I don't hold it so.

[3:38:18] Trustee Graham (probable): those are administrative you know they don't require a public we're just you know moving

[3:38:25] Trustee Graham (probable): some money from there to the hall which is a good thing so

[3:38:29] Trustee Maude (probable): to get some experience it's one

[3:38:32] Trustee Maude (probable): quick question of enthusiasm yeah

[3:38:35] Voice 5: it's about the cmhc money and i'm wondering if this can come

[3:38:40] Voice 5: only through the land trust or if our groups that are in charge of uh den green and uh the

[3:38:50] Voice 5: saddening the longer resisting pepper lane if they can apply directly for this money themselves

[3:39:00] Voice 10: through the chair

[3:39:04] Voice 3: um we have a report that was submitted february 7th uh adequate

[3:39:10] Voice 3: put housing on denman starting on page 10 is an action plan so just to draw your attention we

[3:39:15] Voice 3: have actually done work of drawing up an action plan uh so please if you can refer to that and

[3:39:21] Voice 3: have that important information thank you very much

[3:39:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is that that that document is part of what we've already requested to be referred to the abc

[3:39:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): correct this is

[3:39:36] Voice 3: in the agenda package for the february meeting yeah

[3:39:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): okay that's what i thought

[3:39:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): thank

[3:39:41] Trustee Maude (probable): you very much okay so well everybody's comfortable with that

[3:39:48] so

[3:39:49] Trustee Maude (probable): our next meeting is scheduled for tuesday june the 6th at 10 p.m well it says 10 p.m

[3:39:56] Trustee Maude (probable): so i'll fix that we'll fix that

[3:39:59] Voice 15: with the

[3:40:01] Voice 15: chair um i'm not sure if we missed um 13.2 future projects

[3:40:06] Voice 15: if there were any questions it's page one yeah

[3:40:09] Trustee Maude (probable): we did we didn't go through this yeah we glazed over

[3:40:14] Trustee Maude (probable): yes um so uh now we have to we need a motion to move the camera and what we're gonna do we're

[3:40:25] Trustee Maude (probable): to go in camera as we discuss deal with that stuff what 30 minutes it shouldn't take this

[3:40:32] Trustee Maude (probable): well i don't think it'll take 30 minutes okay so so if if anybody wants to hang out outside

[3:40:37] Trustee Maude (probable): we'll we'll come back in to consider that final motion so thank you very much

[3:40:55] purpose of considering bylaw enforcement and then record the staff.

[3:41:00] All right, seconded. Discussion? All in favor?

[3:41:11] Trustee Maude (probable): All right, so we have to stop recording.

[3:41:18] Voice 11: So how do I do this? I guess

[4:06:05] all right our rising report to let you know um we've closed all the existing unlawful dwelling

[4:06:19] Trustee Maude (probable): unit files on general so any enforcement that's been taken with unlawful dwelling units those

[4:06:26] Trustee Maude (probable): files have now been closed um the other thing that we've done is um we've asked the staff to

[4:06:32] Trustee Maude (probable): closed file at 4696 La Conroe. So those, those two

[4:06:39] Voice 6: 4696 La

[4:06:42] Trustee Maude (probable): Conroe. That's me.

[4:06:43] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay, close the

[4:06:45] Trustee Maude (probable): file. Oh,

[4:06:46] Voice 6: it's it's closed.

[4:06:53] Voice 22: Yeah. So

[4:06:54] Trustee Graham (probable): closed. All existing and lawful dwelling files are

[4:06:59] Trustee Graham (probable): All right.

[4:07:04] Trustee Graham (probable): That doesn't mean somebody couldn't complain.

[4:07:06] Trustee Graham (probable): The existing files are gone.

[4:07:11] Voice 21: It certainly falls far short of the motion you made before you went in that room.

[4:07:15] Trustee Maude (probable): We haven't finished.

[4:07:16] Trustee Maude (probable): The concern

[4:07:17] Voice 21: is that other clients will be using it.

[4:07:20] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay, cool.

[4:07:22] Trustee Maude (probable): So now we're going into the deferred motion.

[4:07:26] Trustee Maude (probable): Can you read that back?

[4:07:28] Trustee Maude (probable): Yeah, we're finding, all right, so deferred motion.

[4:07:32] Voice 12: So move that the Demetan Island Local Trust Committee

[4:07:35] Voice 12: by-law number 247 cited as Demetan Island Local Trust

[4:07:38] Voice 12: Committee by-law enforcement notification by-law 2019

[4:07:42] Voice 12: be amended by removing all by-laws in the by-law section

[4:07:46] Voice 12: from schedule A, contraventions and penalties,

[4:07:50] Voice 12: except 2.1.2, the short-term vacation rental by-law.

[4:07:56] Voice 12: Okay.

[4:07:56] Trustee Maude (probable): And seconded. Further discussion? All in favor? If not, passes.

[4:08:04] And you wanted to make a motion for the focus list?

[4:08:07] Yeah, so I'd like to add...

[4:08:09] Voice 19: Chair?

[4:08:10] Voice 19: Go for it.

[4:08:11] Voice 19: Was there a motion made for Schedule B?

[4:08:14] Voice 19: No.

[4:08:14] Voice 19: Didn't make any change to Schedule B.

[4:08:16] Voice 19: So that, you're

[4:08:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): carrying on with that amendment?

[4:08:19] Voice 19: I

[4:08:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): guess it's, well, it's pretty much

[4:08:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the same as it was.

[4:08:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Or I guess, oh, it's a change in the number.

[4:08:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): There's still a proposed amendment.

[4:08:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): numbers all

[4:08:28] Voice 22: right close this prematurely

[4:08:35] Trustee Graham (probable): yes yeah and

[4:08:36] Voice 19: the only thing that's changed is just the

[4:08:39] Voice 19: the language the the number of the

[4:08:41] Voice 19: bylaw is changed that's it oh i see from 52 to 240.

[4:08:46] Voice 19: right so you need a separate motion for that yes you need to adopt that okay i don't have

[4:08:53] Voice 19: of that schedule that schedules have you

[4:08:55] Voice 22: got that um

[4:08:57] Voice 22: Um, I wouldn't stop.

[4:08:59] Voice 22: We're working on it.

[4:09:01] Voice 22: Yeah.

[4:09:03] Voice 22: Everybody's on it.

[4:09:03] Voice 22: Okay.

[4:09:06] Voice 19: And

[4:09:06] Voice 11: I didn't want to.

[4:09:09] Voice 11: I'm totally on part of my answer.

[4:09:10] Voice 11: I don't see it.

[4:09:11] Voice 11: Do I have it?

[4:09:13] Trustee Maude (probable): No, because it was sort of on the bust into the other.

[4:09:16] Trustee Maude (probable): I have it.

[4:09:16] Voice 15: I have it.

[4:09:17] Voice 15: Okay, but I don't see it.

[4:09:18] Trustee Maude (probable): So, on the agenda, it's page...

[4:09:22] Voice 15: 121 would be the agenda.

[4:09:24] Voice 15: Which one is it?

[4:09:24] Voice 15: It's on 121.

[4:09:27] Voice 15: There's four.

[4:09:31] Voice 15: I don't see it.

[4:09:32] Voice 15: So through the chair, what the amendment that trustee, written motion by trustee 3 only provided was to amend, to make an amendment to this amendment bylaw, removing those bylaw sections from the Schedule A, and perhaps to make a, to add to that motion too.

[4:10:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): right so

[4:10:03] Voice 15: um and then continue on with those resolutions with those recommendations because

[4:10:07] Voice 15: they still need to be read for the first time the second time and be forwarded to the executive

[4:10:13] Voice 15: committee

[4:10:14] Trustee Graham (probable): well i wasn't you know mine is mine just stand alone in motion okay so i'm extending

[4:10:19] Trustee Graham (probable): not

[4:10:20] Trustee Maude (probable): adding yeah um

[4:10:22] Voice 15: so

[4:10:23] Trustee Maude (probable): but what they're suggesting is that what we're going to do is we're going to

[4:10:30] doing adding part for schedule b

[4:10:33] Trustee Maude (probable): which would be

[4:10:34] Voice 11: then the four motions that

[4:10:38] Voice 15: would be four motions

[4:10:39] Voice 15: yeah

[4:10:40] Voice 19: well but these these four motions so they may need to be reworded yeah

[4:10:49] Voice 19: you're deleting the reference to the

[4:10:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): bylaw and so just and so i'm so i understand so um

[4:10:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): um so schedule b allows for uh a ban to be issued for the failure to obtain a setting

[4:11:04] Voice 19: correct as

[4:11:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): opposed to as it as it currently is under bylaw 52 is

[4:11:10] Voice 19: that right or 232 i forget

[4:11:12] Voice 19: bylaw 52 has been rescinded so and it's been six months plus so we cannot issue any

[4:11:17] Voice 19: can that

[4:11:19] Voice 19: still be um

[4:11:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but that can still be presumably forwarded to like that can still be

[4:11:28] it that's right with court action is that right because it's still or

[4:11:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is this the law that it

[4:11:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): tries having a sending and use permit in the first place no

[4:11:35] Voice 19: you know you're sending a news permit by

[4:11:37] Voice 19: law yeah that's a separate right yeah so this allows for the band

[4:11:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to be used to enforce upon

[4:11:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yes

[4:11:45] Trustee Maude (probable): it sounds to me that we're going down a complicated hole right now yeah no i don't

[4:11:50] Trustee Maude (probable): so just why i want to make sure that i know what i'm talking about my question is is that maybe

[4:11:54] Trustee Maude (probable): we should refer this to the meeting and have the proper motions crafted yeah we

[4:11:59] Trustee Graham (probable): won't do your

[4:12:00] Trustee Graham (probable): yeah

[4:12:00] Trustee Maude (probable): i want

[4:12:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to make sure that i know what's going on and then i think

[4:12:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i hate that

[4:12:10] Voice 15: i would prefer

[4:12:11] Voice 15: that so that the motion what i believe the vote is so the resolution that informs this

[4:12:19] Voice 15: yeah all right

[4:12:23] Voice 12: manager being

[4:12:24] Voice 15: confirmed okay don't worry okay

[4:12:28] Trustee Maude (probable): that works cool okay that's done

[4:12:29] Trustee Maude (probable): so now you have a motion for projects adding

[4:12:33] Voice 11: to new projects

[4:12:34] Voice 11: just with future

[4:12:52] request staff to add to the this is the future

[4:12:58] Trustee Graham (probable): a

[4:13:00] Voice 11: renewed guest accommodation in the venues let's

[4:13:12] Voice 15: hear the chair under item on page 143 of the

[4:13:16] Voice 15: agenda um future project on the future projects list item three refers to temporary use permits

[4:13:23] Voice 15: for sdbrs so that would be this will be a new item under the future projects list based on

[4:13:31] Voice 15: trustee grants so is

[4:13:34] Trustee Maude (probable): guest accommodation the appropriate thing or do you want stdr

[4:13:38] Trustee Graham (probable): well because no to be fair it's not just the stdr wording it's we have a number of strange

[4:13:46] Trustee Graham (probable): And they all fall under guest accommodation, where you're going to have someone stay for up to 45 days in the calendar year, and that's what's tripping up the interpretation.

[4:13:56] Trustee Graham (probable): So let's just have a review of all of those, anything to do with guest accommodation, and then we'll figure out.

[4:14:03] Trustee Graham (probable): It's really simple.

[4:14:05] Trustee Graham (probable): So

[4:14:05] Voice 15: a review of zoning policies related to

[4:14:09] Trustee Graham (probable): guest accommodation.

[4:14:11] Voice 15: Do you want me to change that?

[4:14:12] Voice 15: It's just zoning

[4:14:13] Trustee Graham (probable): policies and regulations with regards to guests.

[4:14:17] Trustee Graham (probable): policy and regulation regarding yes okay perfect second second discussion

[4:14:27] Trustee Maude (probable): all the questions all right is there any further business so we can see the motion to adjourn

[4:14:37] okay thank you very much

[4:15:00] Thank you.

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Denman Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
April 4, 2023 
Denman Activity Centre 
1111 Northwest Rd, Denman Island, BC 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair  
 David Graham, Trustee  
 Sam Borthwick, Trustee  
   
Staff Present: Renée Jamurat, RPP MCIP, Regional Planning Manager  
 Narissa Chadwick, RPP, MCIP Island Planner 
Margot Thomaidis, Planner 2 
Stephen Baugh, Planner 2 
Warren Dingman, Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement Manager 
 
 Vicky Bockman, Recorder  
   
Others Present: Approximately seventeen (17) members of the public 
Dr. Pamela Shaw, Sonal Deshmukh, Consultants, Vancouver Island University 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
The Chair called the meeting to order at 10:00 am. He welcomed the public, introduced 
Trustees, staff and recorder; and noted that this meeting is being live streamed and recorded for 
viewing on the Islands Trust website. He acknowledged that the meeting was being held in 
traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following addition to the agenda was presented for consideration: 
11.3 Community Chat  
By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Graham commented that Trust activities have been minimal for him since the 
last meeting; however, he did want to acknowledge that he does review social media 
even though he does not post often on that platform. 
 

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Trustee Borthwick reported on the following: 
 He attended a Ferry Advisory Committee meeting where discussion included 
concerns regarding the proposed Gravelly Bay terminal expansion plans; 
 Trust Programs Committee; 
 He suggested that the Local Trust Committee (LTC) consider scheduling Town 
Halls early in the meeting as well as later in order to maximize the public’s 
ability to comment on issues. 
3.2 Chair's Report 
The Chair reported on the following: 
 He and Regional Planning Manager Jamurat attended a meeting with BC Ferries 
representatives to discuss the proposed Gravelly Bay terminal expansion and 
tree cutting plans; and noted that there will be community consultation on the 
issues; 
 He attended Trust Council where the 2023/2024 budget was approved. 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report - none 
4. PUBLIC COMMENTS 
 A member of the public asked the LTC to: 1) pass a motion requesting the Minister of 
Transportation and the Premier to create a separate ferry connecting Hornby Island and 
Vancouver Island to address the increased traffic across Denman Island that BC ferries plans, 
2) pass a motion urging the Islands Trust Executive Committee to protest the exclusion of 
the Trust Area in the prohibition on the purchase of residential property by non-Canadians, 
and 3) discuss reversing the policy where Trustees remain anonymous in the meeting 
minutes; and record the mover and seconder of motions and how each Trustee voted if they 
are not unanimous. She submitted her comments for the record. 
 Another member of the public expressed objections to the Bylaw Enforcement Notification 
(BEN) Bylaw, including that this system enforces against housing regulations under review 
and may contravene the human right to adequate housing. The Denman Island Housing 
Action Group requested that the LTC refer the proposed amendments to the BEN Bylaw to 
the Housing Advisory Planning Commission (HAPC) for consideration and discussion. 
 Another member of the public asked what is the goal of the Housing Review project? 
o A Trustee responded that the housing policies were created by the community many 
years ago and this project is an opportunity to review the Official Community Plan (OCP) 
and Land Use Bylaw (LUB) to update those policies and regulations in conversation with 
the community. 
 A member of the public shared her personal experience with the difficulties of her inability to 
find affordable housing on Denman Island even though she is engaged with the community and 
has meaningful employment. 
 Another member of the public works two jobs and still cannot afford to purchase a home on 
Denman Island; she does not feel safe or secure in her current housing situation. 

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 Another member of the public is disappointed that Pepper Lane senior housing development did 
not proceed as she had hoped to transition there from her current cabin where living may be 
beyond her physical ability as she ages. 
 Another member of the public acknowledged the importance of housing and expressed her 
opinion that the Islands Trust should spend less on bureaucracy and become more efficient; 
housing issues need to consider diminishing water levels. 
 Laura Thomson objected for many reasons to the right of Bylaw Enforcement to impose fines if 
access without notice is refused; she asked the LTC to deny granting Bylaw Enforcement more 
power and not to introduce additional fines in the BEN Bylaw; micromanaging bylaws is not 
reasonable on Denman Island. Her notes were submitted for the record. 
 Another member of the public stressed the importance of deliverables for the Housing APC and 
encouraged the Housing APC to continue to engage with the public to access a range of views to 
keep Denman Island alive, vibrant and diverse. 
5. DELEGATIONS 
5.1 Engagement Surveys and Densification - Harlene Holm 
Harlene Holm addressed the Farming Regulations Review Project proposed Bylaw Nos. 
228 and 229, expressing concerns with interpretation of some of the survey results, the 
potential increase in density that could result on Agricultural Land Reserve properties, 
and the lack of adequate consideration of all sources of water. She noted that the 
Denman Conservation Association document expressing concerns about water was not 
added to the agenda as a late item and that relevant communication gets lost in the 
Project Correspondence file.  She proposed that the available background information 
on sources of water in addition to Graham and Chickadee Lakes, recommendations, and 
draft bylaws be provided to inform the community prior to advancement of the bylaws.  
A submission in the agenda package outlines additional requests in the consideration of 
farm regulations. 
5.2 Two Decades of Denman Housing: Time for Action - Denman Housing Action Group 
Riane DaSilva and Virginia Spinney observed that since 2002 there have been eight 
studies addressing housing for Denman Island that identify community housing needs, 
farm worker housing needs, and accessing public support for housing options. A 
summary of the reports is included in the agenda package and electronic versions are 
available and can be provided. Concern was expressed with creation of another Housing 
Review project and a two-year term for the Housing APC while the housing situation 
continues to decline. The LTC was requested to consider the information provided with 
this delegation, including suggestions for the Housing APC and recommendations for 
Bylaw Enforcement requirements relating to housing. The submission was included in 
the agenda package. 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated February 7, 2023- for adoption 

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By general consent the Local Trust committee meeting minutes of February 7, 2023 
were adopted. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated March 27, 2023 
Received for information. 
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - none 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List dated March 27, 2023 
Staff provided updates for information and responded to questions that arose. 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
8.1 DE-ALR-2022.2 Wright - 2961 Northwest Rd. - Staff Report 
Planner 2 Baugh presented a Staff Report regarding this application that asks the LTC to 
make a resolution recommending whether or not to forward the application for a Non-
Adhering Residential Use to the ALC for further consideration, if forwarding the 
application to the ALC the LTC should also provide comment to the Agricultural Land 
Commission (ALC) on conformity with bylaws. The additional residence is being 
proposed to allow the next generation to take over the farm while the current owners 
remain on the farm to train and support the transition of responsibility. 
 
DE-2023-013 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to forward DE-ALR-2022.2 
to the Agricultural Land Commission with the following comments: 
“The Denman Island Local Trust Committee finds DE-ALR-2022.2 to be consistent 
with the objectives and policies of the Denman Island Official Community Plan and 
Denman Island Land Use Bylaw regulations, and so deems the application to meet 
the criteria necessary to warrant consideration by the Commission for a Non-
Adhering Residential Use”. 
CARRIED 
By general consent the meeting recessed at 11:28 am and reconvened at 11:31 am. 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
9.1 Denman Housing Review Project - Consultant Report 
 Dr. Pamela Shaw conducted an overview of the Denman Island Housing Review 
recommendations report. She summarized the project scope, community and 
stakeholder engagement, policy recommendations and conclusion. The full report is 
available with the April 4 agenda package. 
A Trustee had several comments: 

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 he apologized on behalf of the community for the unfortunate comment that 
led to the cancellation of the planned Community Information Meeting; 
 creating simplified housing agreement templates to ensure affordability would 
be difficult due to the many unique characteristics of situations; what types of 
incentives for property owners are suggested? 
 updating the OCP and LUB to allow for secondary suites and secondary 
dwellings to be used for long-term rentals does not recommend where this 
might be appropriate; 
 referring to aesthetic requirements as a common ideal is probably not relevant 
on Denman Island; 
 rather than review existing secondary homes for yearly rentals on a case-by-
case basis, an approach to allow as a permitted use might be considered; 
 rather than subdivisions, land sharing options might be encouraged; 
 a creative approach to total square footage was supported; 
 instating “Empty Homes Tax” or “Vacancy Tax” is outside of Islands Trust’s 
authority. 
 
The Chair opened the floor to the public for questions and comments. 
 The Stakeholders’ Round Table included discussion and consideration of 
properties on lots less than one hectare for housing solutions; however, concern 
was expressed that this was not included in the consultants’ report. A review of 
existing situations on Denman Island was recommended to inform the policy. 
o This was recommended based on the Ministry of Health’s one hectare 
minimum relating to ground well water and septic considerations; however, 
this might be further considered. 
 Creative housing square footage was supported to accommodate options for a 
variety of home and land sharing solutions. 
o This option might be flagged for consideration in the Housing Review. 
10. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
10.1 Email dated February 16, 2023 from Dr. J. Balke regarding Ferry Terminal Denman 
Received for information. 
10.2 Email dated March 3, 2023 from E. Johnston regarding Growing Concern over Local 
Trust Committee Focus 
Received for information. 
10.3 Email dated March 8, 2023 from H. Holm regarding Mar 8-23 NASA image argues for 
reducing light pollution 
A Trustee requested that a follow-up be conducted on the issue of light pollution growth 
on Denman Island and aligning the LUB with the OCP Guiding Principle 8. 

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10.4 Email dated February 10, 2023 from R. DaSilva regarding Recording of Tuesday's 
Meeting 
Received for information. 
11. NEW BUSINESS 
11.1 Draft Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Bylaw - Request for Decision 
DE-2023-014 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee  Bylaw No. 246, cited as “Denman Island 
Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Bylaw No. 246, 
2023” be given first, second and third reading. 
CARRIED 
DE-2023-015 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee  Bylaw No. 246, cited as “Denman Island 
Local Trust Committee Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Bylaw No. 246, 
2023” be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive 
Committee. 
CARRIED 
By general consent the meeting recessed at 12:25 pm and reconvened at 12:55 pm. 
By general consent agenda item 11.2 was moved to follow 11.3. 
11.3 Community Chat  
A Trustee reported that both Trustees Graham and Borthwick would like to host an 
opportunity for community members to chat with them on a trial basis in an effort to 
promote a more frequent dialogue. Staff confirmed that the budget exists for this 
initiative and that there is no regulatory concern with such an event to hear 
information, providing no decisions are made. 
11.2 Bylaw Enforcement Notification Bylaw Amendment - Staff Report 
Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager Dingman explained that the proposed 
BEN Bylaw amendment is before the LTC for consideration as a means to enforce the 
Siting and Use Bylaw, correct errors, and to add a contravention for failure to permit an 
inspection under section 1.3.7 of the LUB which is not a new law and was omitted in 
error. He advised that amending the BEN Bylaw is within the LTC’s authority. 
 
Trustees’ discussion included the following: 
 the Bylaw fines impact low-income residents disproportionately and it was 
suggested that consideration be given to limiting the infractions to Short Term 
Vacation Rentals, a practice that generates income for the operators; 

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 compliance is achieved most of the time, and without use of the BEN Bylaw 
system the LTC can authorize legal action as a recourse if necessary. 
 
DE-2023-016 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee  Bylaw No. 247, cited as “Denman Island 
Local Trust Committee Bylaw Enforcement Notification Bylaw, 2019” be amended by 
removing all Bylaws in the Bylaw Section from Schedule A Contraventions and Penalties, 
except 2.1.2, the Short Term Vacation Rental Bylaw. 
 
Discussion followed with Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager Dingman suggesting that the 
vote be deferred until after the Closed Meeting to allow the Committee members an opportunity to 
discuss the legal opinions on short-term vacation rentals. 
After the Closed Meeting, Local Trust Committee members returned to the motion on the floor and the 
Chair called the question. 
CARRIED 
The LTC deferred consideration of amending the BEN Bylaw Schedule B to the next LTC meeting. 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated February, 2023 
Received for information. 
12.2 Applications Report dated March 27, 2023 
Regional Planning Manager Jamurat responded to questions that arose. 
12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated January, 2023 
Received for information. 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received for information. 
12.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
There were no additions or changes requested. 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Active Projects Report dated March 27, 2023 
Discussion of the Active Projects included the following comments. 
 A Trustee expressed a desire to create an opportunity to meet with K'ómoks 
First Nation for introductions and to establish a working relationship.   

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o Regional Planning Manager Jamurat responded that this request will be 
captured in the Follow-Up Action List for staff to facilitate an invitation to 
meet. 
 An update on the status of the Farming Regulation Review was requested.  
o Regional Planning Manager Jamurat responded that staff will follow up with 
an update for the Trustees. 
13.2 Future Projects Report dated March 27, 2023 
Planner Chadwick advised that she is researching an opportunity being offered by 
Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation for land use authorities to apply for grant 
funds to be utilized to build housing.  
 
Discussion included the following key points: 
 There is a short timeline for application with a requirement for an action plan 
informed by a conversation with the community; this might require a report for 
the June LTC meeting to meet the application deadline. 
 Appointments for the Housing APC have not yet been made; however, could be 
completed in a timely manner by Resolution Without Meeting; 
 The Denman Island Housing Group offered assistance with information to 
provide for a proposed information meeting. 
 
DE-2023-017 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a Community 
Information Meeting for housing sometime in May. 
 
A Trustee requested that the meeting be scheduled for an evening rather than during 
the day to encourage attendance. 
CARRIED 
A Trustee suggested that a review of guest accommodations regulations might be added 
to the Future Projects list. 
DE-2023-018 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to add to the Future 
Projects list a review of zoning policies and regulations regarding guest accommodation 
in the Land Use Bylaw. 
CARRIED 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 10:00 am at Denman 
Activity Centre, 1111 Northwest Road, Denman Island, BC 
Trustees confirmed the next regular meeting date, time and location. 

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15. CLOSED MEETING 
15.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1)(f) for the purpose of considering Bylaw Enforcement and that 
the Recorder and Staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
The meeting closed to the public at 1:42 pm. 
15.2 Recall to Order 
The meeting was recalled to order at 2:07 pm. 
The Chair reported that in the Closed Meeting, the LTC closed all the existing unlawful 
housing files on Denman Island and have closed the Siting file for 4696 Lacon Road. 
16. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:16 pm. 
 
 
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David Maude, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Vicky Bockman, Recorder