Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, March 7, 2024

[0:00:00] Voice 3: consultant to assist us through the selection process. I'm on the Financial Planning Committee.

[0:00:06] Voice 3: Next week is our Trust Council meeting. That'll be where we'll deliberate and decide on our budget.

[0:00:13] Voice 3: The Governance Committee is still, I guess I would call it, in a storming phase of development.

[0:00:20] Voice 3: We're meeting with the Governance Review Consultant in the near future to further discuss

[0:00:24] Voice 3: the governance review report.

[0:00:28] Voice 3: We had our first meeting this term with the,

[0:00:31] Voice 3: between the LTC and the Ag Alliance

[0:00:33] Voice 3: and the Agricultural Advisory Commission just last week.

[0:00:39] Voice 3: I'm not sure how the letter from July, 2022

[0:00:43] Voice 3: that they brought up slipped through the cracks.

[0:00:46] Voice 3: I did go back through all the meeting minutes.

[0:00:48] Voice 3: It was discussed in a July 7th, 2022 meeting,

[0:00:52] Voice 3: but the correspondence wasn't attached

[0:00:55] Voice 3: and it was never attached to these meetings so I think that's something to follow up on and

[0:00:59] Voice 3: make sure appropriately respond. I met with the Salt Spring chapter of the Canadian Federation

[0:01:06] Voice 3: of University Women. We're most interested in solving our housing challenges on the island.

[0:01:11] Voice 3: I also met with Earl Rook, Chair of LCC. We meet regularly to discuss our respective meeting

[0:01:19] Voice 3: meeting agendas, and I really believe that Sherbrooke is committed to these bodies working

[0:01:26] Voice 3: more closely together, and I thank you.

[0:01:29] Voice 3: I attended the monthly Cultural Connected Gathering, which is offered to us trustees.

[0:01:35] Voice 3: It was an incredibly emotional evening with Breanna Millman on doing Remembering Keegan.

[0:01:41] Voice 3: This is a tragic story of racism and neglect in our healthcare system.

[0:01:45] Voice 3: and finally

[0:01:47] Voice 3: I was invited to attend

[0:01:50] Voice 3: a meeting of the BC chapter of tiny

[0:01:52] Voice 3: homes, they continue to lobby for

[0:01:54] Voice 3: a national building code for tiny homes

[0:01:56] Voice 3: and for now they're making some

[0:01:58] Voice 3: strides

[0:01:59] Trustee Harris (probable): just using the CSA

[0:02:00] Trustee Harris (probable): manufacturer home standards, that's my report

[0:02:02] Trustee Harris (probable): Very good, thank you

[0:02:06] Trustee Harris (probable): Trustee Crackers for your report

[0:02:08] Trustee Harris (probable): I can't help but want to ask a question

[0:02:10] Trustee Harris (probable): do we think of a motion to direct

[0:02:12] Trustee Harris (probable): staff to follow up on that last letter

[0:02:14] Trustee Harris (probable): or is that in hand?

[0:02:16] Trustee Harris (probable): It was brought up and discussed during our meeting last week, so for the seven minutes.

[0:02:22] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay.

[0:02:23] Trustee Harris (probable): Thank you.

[0:02:25] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:02:27] Voice 5: So Chair's report, Laura's touched on many of the aspects of the work at the Federation

[0:02:34] Voice 5: that I'm also involved in as the Chair, and I'll just say that we're preparing for our

[0:02:41] Voice 5: trust council quarterly trust council meeting next week in the nine room three days it's a budget

[0:02:48] Voice 5: session where we will be debating and adopting a budget for the coming year fiscal year and

[0:02:56] Voice 5: we also have a couple of sessions learning opportunities to advance

[0:03:00] Trustee Harris (probable): our work and our

[0:03:03] Trustee Harris (probable): uh uh goals um for this this year i'm looking very much forward to that um

[0:03:10] Voice 5: so that's my report

[0:03:12] Voice 5: at this time and i'm going to now go to um to gary holman regional director

[0:03:18] Trustee Harris (probable): for his report and i'll

[0:03:20] Trustee Harris (probable): follow up with earl uh work as well you do the other way around sure well that's the chair's

[0:03:26] Trustee Harris (probable): call i think but uh at that time i've seen i've been more than halfway through so well i very

[0:03:32] Trustee Harris (probable): have the last word yeah so let's see that's how okay thank you thank you yeah since last um we

[0:03:40] Trustee Harris (probable): were here before the ultimate c um the um no cc has um wrapped up our work on preparing the final

[0:03:48] Trustee Harris (probable): final budget proposal for new institution that was only

[0:03:56] Trustee Harris (probable): inaugurated in June.

[0:03:57] Trustee Harris (probable): We had

[0:03:58] Voice 10: a lot of catching up to do in a very short time.

[0:04:00] Voice 10: We have some very lengthy,

[0:04:02] Voice 10: very lengthy meetings on the budget,

[0:04:04] Voice 10: but we managed to put it together.

[0:04:14] Trustee Harris (probable): And it was tough going, but we're pleased with that.

[0:04:17] Trustee Harris (probable): And we're hoping next year, the year we are in now,

[0:04:20] Trustee Harris (probable): we'll be able to put more time, focus on the budget

[0:04:23] Trustee Harris (probable): it and the whole year we're going to catch it up later in the process this is a new year we have

[0:04:32] Trustee Harris (probable): set up a regular and particular meeting

[0:04:34] Voice 10: schedule for the lcc that includes two meetings a month

[0:04:38] Voice 10: uh

[0:04:39] Trustee Harris (probable): one meeting on the second thursday of the month which is an evening meeting which was a

[0:04:44] Trustee Harris (probable): bold documentary where we could be more accessible to the public so we'll be having one business

[0:04:49] Trustee Harris (probable): This is evening, followed by a second business meeting

[0:04:54] Trustee Harris (probable): on the third Thursday of the month during daytime hours,

[0:04:58] Trustee Harris (probable): which is what we need to.

[0:05:02] Trustee Harris (probable): We're in the process of managing

[0:05:04] Trustee Harris (probable): a number of major projects.

[0:05:06] Trustee Harris (probable): Just like to point out that the

[0:05:09] Trustee Harris (probable): more abundant overwalk steering committee

[0:05:11] Trustee Harris (probable): is being reactivated now.

[0:05:13] Trustee Harris (probable): They will be having their first meeting

[0:05:14] Trustee Harris (probable): as a new organization or newly reconstituted organization

[0:05:18] Trustee Harris (probable): next Monday.

[0:05:19] Trustee Harris (probable): That's a project that we hope to get back on the rails, and we've got some planning money out there and planning underway right now.

[0:05:29] We're also working on a major project related to Yankee's Active

[0:05:34] Trustee Harris (probable): Transportation Plan and master planning for Orlok Park.

[0:05:40] Trustee Harris (probable): Also coming up, we are going to be hosting an all-stakeholders housing meeting,

[0:05:46] Trustee Harris (probable): tentatively scheduled for monday april 8th to talk about the housing issues on salt spring and

[0:05:53] Trustee Harris (probable): specifically where the new lcc can fit in where we can make a contribution where we

[0:05:59] Voice 7: can make a

[0:05:59] Voice 7: difference to the mix of active participants in housing on salt spring island

[0:06:06] Trustee Harris (probable): and the trust

[0:06:08] Trustee Harris (probable): The trust will be invited, of course, to set a representative.

[0:06:13] Trustee Harris (probable): We also welcome the resolution from this committee from your last meeting for meetings with,

[0:06:23] Trustee Harris (probable): at regular meetings between the trust and the LPC.

[0:06:26] Trustee Harris (probable): We're enthusiastic to start doing that.

[0:06:30] Trustee Harris (probable): We'll have it on our agenda for our next meeting to start talking about some of the details about how we'll make that happen.

[0:06:35] Trustee Harris (probable): and we really appreciate the trust reaching out to it

[0:06:39] Trustee Harris (probable): because we feel there's a lot

[0:06:41] Trustee Harris (probable): where we can work together and cooperate

[0:06:43] Trustee Harris (probable): and make things go more smoothly

[0:06:45] Trustee Harris (probable): and press more efficiently.

[0:06:48] Trustee Harris (probable): And just one last comment.

[0:06:50] Voice 7: There's been a lot of talk about us offering SIMS

[0:06:53] Voice 7: up to the trust committee as a potential office site.

[0:06:57] Voice 7: I understand that may or may not work for you

[0:07:00] Voice 7: given time constraints

[0:07:01] Voice 7: and also this particular space requirements you have.

[0:07:04] Voice 7: I think we felt it was important

[0:07:07] Trustee Harris (probable): to reach out to another government body and provide support, if we could, to help out in your office crunch situation.

[0:07:15] Trustee Harris (probable): Now with the Director Holman.

[0:07:23] Trustee Harris (probable): Thank you for reaching out. I just want to say thank you for reaching out about the office space.

[0:07:33] Trustee Harris (probable): that was what we're seeing and that's an ongoing conversation chat uh oh thank you gary yeah thanks

[0:07:40] Voice 7: chair and uh i did want to comment on a couple of items that he said earl raised but before glenn

[0:07:47] Voice 7: leaves uh i think we mentioned before at ltc town halls uh that uh elizabeth may uh regarding arbor

[0:07:57] Voice 7: of management elizabeth may have a workshop i can't remember if you attended uh peter but

[0:08:03] Voice 7: certainly chair peterson did yeah laura did chris hutton did uh myself series staff um

[0:08:12] Voice 7: and it's a ongoing conversation uh glenn attended as well and uh part of the agenda the crd

[0:08:21] Voice 7: there there is the there is on the sandwich peninsula three municipalities who joined

[0:08:26] Voice 7: together a sub-regional service to improve marine harbor management. At this point that

[0:08:38] Voice 7: service has just been kind of sharing information and it's a contact point with

[0:08:45] Voice 7: senior governments who in my view which I think is widely shared and basically abandoned

[0:08:51] Voice 7: abandoned harbor management to Oka Garments.

[0:08:55] Voice 7: But the series staff had presented

[0:09:01] Voice 7: a report to that commission,

[0:09:07] Voice 7: that sub-regional commission

[0:09:09] Voice 7: on possible harbor management options

[0:09:15] Voice 7: and are proposing a workshop.

[0:09:19] Voice 7: I don't think the date has been set yet,

[0:09:22] Voice 7: But we'll talk later this year, inviting stakeholders, including the Trust, including the First Nations senior governments, to talk about those options, to talk about the way forward.

[0:09:34] Voice 7: So no promises, but there is an existing CRD service that's working on the issue, trying to engage the senior governments, and we'll see what comes out of that workshop.

[0:09:51] Voice 7: shop it is an area where where angels and certainly senior governments fear to tread but

[0:09:57] Voice 7: uh there is no question that there is a need for better management of our harbors

[0:10:02] Voice 7: kaji's harbor is probably the best example of that uh

[0:10:06] Voice 7: I quote Alvin Sett in support of the circuit.

[0:10:11] Voice 7: The last conversation or action.

[0:10:16] Voice 7: Thanks for that, Glenn.

[0:10:18] Voice 7: In any case, it always starts with a conversation and discussion.

[0:10:23] Voice 7: We'll see where it goes.

[0:10:27] Voice 7: Senior governments have to attend.

[0:10:29] Voice 7: We have to put their feet to the fire before stepping into that vacuum.

[0:10:33] Voice 7: They need to be there to support us.

[0:10:35] Voice 7: Central Sabbath was on the verge.

[0:10:37] Voice 7: of getting a license of occupation for the Brentwood Bay area and they backed off because

[0:10:44] Voice 7: when they discussed that possibility with I think a particular province or with senior governments

[0:10:50] Voice 7: there was no support there for them at all and they backed out because the considerable

[0:10:56] Voice 7: liability and responsibility that they were taking so anyway it starts with a conversation

[0:11:02] Voice 7: There is a CRE service, which at this point is not actively managing, but at least is potentially an administrative framework around which better management could be the way.

[0:11:18] Voice 7: So we'll see where that goes.

[0:11:19] Voice 7: Just a comment on the budget.

[0:11:23] Voice 7: The LCC was elected towards the end of May.

[0:11:30] Voice 7: Their first meeting was in June.

[0:11:31] Voice 7: they were expected to provide input on a very complicated CRD budget by September.

[0:11:41] Voice 7: So talk about a steep learning curve.

[0:11:44] Voice 7: But as Earl mentioned, we were able to pare down the proposed budget increase 7% overall for the CRD.

[0:11:52] Voice 7: That includes regional CRD, includes the hospital district.

[0:11:56] Voice 7: district, actually a little bit of good news for Salt Spring regionally was that our assessed

[0:12:02] Voice 7: values for 2024, which the assessment authority calculates, actually declined by about 4%

[0:12:14] Voice 7: compared to a little less than 1% for the CRD as a whole. What that means is that Salt

[0:12:20] Voice 7: Spring's share of the cost of regional services, which is primarily based on assessed values,

[0:12:26] Voice 7: actually went down. So that actually helped reduce the overall security budget impact.

[0:12:34] Voice 7: But there were several key factors that were basically out of local control. First of all,

[0:12:43] Voice 7: was the inflation consumer price index. It has been tailing off, but for 2024,

[0:12:49] Voice 7: still estimated in the three, three and a half percent. And what's related to that are negotiated

[0:12:54] Voice 7: wages and salaries, which, of course, are partially predicated on the inflation rate.

[0:13:00] Voice 7: So completely beyond the control of the LCC, the regional district, for that matter.

[0:13:06] Voice 7: Another factor where there's still COVID, hangovers from COVID in terms of services

[0:13:13] Voice 7: that rely on fees.

[0:13:15] Voice 7: So in particular, transit, which we rely on fee revenue to support that service.

[0:13:21] Voice 7: The pool would rely on fees to help support that service.

[0:13:26] Voice 7: So those kinds of services, there still was an impact of COVID last year.

[0:13:33] Voice 7: We were incurring deficits in services that had to be carried over and dealt with this year.

[0:13:38] Voice 7: So again, a factor pretty much out of, well, very much out of local control.

[0:13:44] Voice 7: The final significant factor was the middle school building itself.

[0:13:49] Voice 7: So when the CRE took that on, the taxpayer cost of that was estimated by staff at about $130,000 a year.

[0:14:00] Voice 7: Actually, it turns out that it's about double that.

[0:14:04] Voice 7: It's about $260,000 a year, in part because the heating costs, the propane costs of a facility now that's open six, I think it's even seven days a year.

[0:14:19] Voice 7: a week from nine in the morning till seven at night versus a school open from nine till four

[0:14:27] Voice 7: or five and on the weekend so obviously the operating and maintenance costs anyway the

[0:14:32] Voice 7: costs were underestimated so that that was another budget hit again pretty much out of control but

[0:14:39] Voice 7: But one of the reasons why the LCC is asked staff to review the feasibility of co-locating

[0:14:51] Voice 7: government offices in the Simmons building.

[0:14:53] Voice 7: Of course, the trust is looking for offices, as Earl said, the timing and your space requirements

[0:15:01] Voice 7: and the nature of the Simmons building, you know, it's less accessible, all of that.

[0:15:06] Voice 7: so it may not work out for the trust, but it's still a possibility for CRD. So right now,

[0:15:11] Voice 7: the CRD and the trust for three separate offices are paying commercial rent to the tune of about

[0:15:19] Voice 7: $140,000 a year that we're paying to commercial entities. If we could be co-located in the Sims

[0:15:26] Voice 7: building so that we're in effect paying rent to the CRD, it would help mitigate the cost of

[0:15:33] Voice 7: maintaining and operating that facility that's part of the rationale in addition to the the

[0:15:38] Voice 7: benefits of co-locating government office it's been a long-standing uh i guess desire to do that

[0:15:45] Voice 7: uh easier said than done sims may be a possibility to do that but it may not work out for the trust

[0:15:51] Voice 7: we realize that um just on a positive workshop uh i think tentatively we've said april 8th is the

[0:15:59] Voice 7: date to be confirmed i believe at our next meeting so just a heads up and of course the trust will be

[0:16:06] Voice 7: invited as well as a number of other stakeholders but there's been a a number of uh shifts in the

[0:16:12] Voice 7: landscape in terms of affordable housing as a both regionally and uh on on salt spring there's new

[0:16:20] Voice 7: provincial funding programs federal funding programs uh several pieces of significant

[0:16:26] Voice 7: significant provincial legislation, some of which include Saltspring, some of which don't.

[0:16:32] Voice 7: That's been a large shift. The theory itself, the $85 million borrowing was approved by

[0:16:43] Voice 7: competition. That's kind of a negative feeling thing, but in any case, the competition failed,

[0:16:49] Voice 7: which means the $85 million succeeded.

[0:16:51] Voice 7: We're looking for federal and provincial matching funds.

[0:16:57] Voice 7: So that'll be funding that will be available to support affordable housing.

[0:17:04] Voice 7: The other significant development at the CRE level

[0:17:07] Voice 7: was their proposed regional housing program.

[0:17:09] Voice 7: So a specific program aimed at supporting and facilitating affordable housing

[0:17:16] Voice 7: in electoral areas within the CRD,

[0:17:20] Voice 7: including Southern Gulf Islands and Salisbury.

[0:17:24] Voice 7: Trust bylaws.

[0:17:26] Voice 7: Trust has passed several bylaws

[0:17:28] Voice 7: legalizing cottages on hundreds of properties

[0:17:32] Voice 7: that are outside the North Salisbury service area

[0:17:36] Voice 7: and subject to the moratorium,

[0:17:37] Voice 7: including on ALR land.

[0:17:40] Voice 7: The trust had to pass a bylaw

[0:17:41] Voice 7: to enable the changes the province has made

[0:17:45] Voice 7: with respect to cottages on ALR land,

[0:17:49] Voice 7: the Southern Gulf Island Tourism Partnership.

[0:17:51] Voice 7: So for the first time,

[0:17:53] Voice 7: that partnership is raising about $700,000 a year,

[0:17:58] Voice 7: 2% tax on visitor accommodation.

[0:18:01] Voice 7: So the tourism partnership has committed

[0:18:04] Voice 7: up to half of that, the online portion,

[0:18:07] Voice 7: for affordable housing initiatives

[0:18:09] Voice 7: within the two electoral areas where it applies.

[0:18:13] Voice 7: They've already committed to $100,000 a year to help with the CRB Rural Housing Program, probably to help fund a rural coordinator. They're funding Housing Now, which is another new program. Housing Now is funded to the tune of $50,000 a year by the Tourism Partnership.

[0:18:34] Voice 7: So these are a combination of 2% tax that's helping to fund affordable housing on Salisbury and the Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:18:44] Voice 7: The Housing Now has just hired a coordinator for Salisbury.

[0:18:48] Voice 7: So again, something else that's new on the horizon.

[0:18:53] Voice 7: In addition to that, I've spoken with this a number of times.

[0:18:56] Voice 7: there are a number of properties on Salt Spring that are already zoned for affordable housing

[0:19:02] Voice 7: and market housing. I just did a rough count the other day. There's 10 properties on Salt Spring,

[0:19:09] Voice 7: most of which are owned by nonprofits and includes the security property of Derry River

[0:19:14] Voice 7: that are already designated or zoned for affordable housing. Point being,

[0:19:19] Voice 7: those land is not the scariest resource funding is the trust has done its job in a number of ways

[0:19:26] Voice 7: in terms of rezoning in terms of for specific projects as well as the the legalization of

[0:19:33] Voice 7: accessory dwelling units uh there will be some moves on drake road i can't say anything about

[0:19:39] Voice 7: it now but that will be uh coming shortly and um uh yeah just uh i guess the last thing i wanted to

[0:19:49] Voice 7: mentioned there is an ask meeting every friday there's an ask meeting at the sims building

[0:19:54] Voice 7: tomorrow is the lcc day and i think myself and brian webster will be attending the ask meeting

[0:20:01] Voice 7: 11 1 p.m at the sims building thank you chair thank

[0:20:07] Trustee Harris (probable): you very much um i'll just ask if you

[0:20:09] Trustee Harris (probable): have any questions for the chair of the lcc or the director thank you

[0:20:16] Voice 7: sorry chair just one thing

[0:20:18] Voice 7: It's not a CRD matter, but I did want to mention that the province has just announced $10 million for North Salt Spring.

[0:20:28] Voice 7: I think basically aimed at the possibility of raising the beer at St. Mary Lake.

[0:20:33] Voice 7: So the North Salt Spring has already been reviewing its moratorium.

[0:20:40] Voice 7: They plan on making an announcement later this year about whether or not there's a possibility of relaxing part of the moratorium.

[0:20:47] Voice 7: we'll see what happens there uh that was already underway before this announcement but if it is

[0:20:54] Voice 7: possible to raise the lake levels and storm or water that could have significant implications

[0:21:00] Voice 7: for the moratorium so that's not directly a serious issue but i did want to mention that as a

[0:21:06] Voice 7: again on the housing front as a potentially very significant development thank

[0:21:11] Trustee Harris (probable): you i was aware of

[0:21:13] Trustee Harris (probable): that's great um okay great uh thank you for both of your reports today i'm going to continue on

[0:21:21] Trustee Harris (probable): with our agenda and i'm going to take us to uh the minutes of the previous meeting uh from february

[0:21:28] Trustee Harris (probable): the 15th year for adoption are there any changes to those minutes laura patrick just a couple of

[0:21:35] Trustee Harris (probable): page six of the agenda first bullet says that the new legislation um any of the announcements

[0:21:48] Trustee Harris (probable): so i guess we are including the legislation so it's just um first bullet under my report yeah

[0:21:56] Trustee Harris (probable): just it's not included in the new legislation we were but it's not including trying to say

[0:22:02] Trustee Harris (probable): So many of the announcements might be pushing

[0:22:06] Voice 11: to take from after the city.

[0:22:09] Voice 3: Sure.

[0:22:10] Voice 11: Let's take out all those alternate islands.

[0:22:12] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:22:12] Voice 11: That would be fine.

[0:22:13] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:22:14] Voice 9: That would be good.

[0:22:16] Voice 3: You're

[0:22:16] Trustee Harris (probable): all right with that, Trustee Harris?

[0:22:17] Trustee Harris (probable): Do you want to take a reasonable amendment?

[0:22:19] Voice 3: Huge.

[0:22:20] Trustee Harris (probable): Yes.

[0:22:22] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:22:24] Voice 3: Same thing.

[0:22:25] Voice 3: Section 911, first bullet,

[0:22:27] Voice 3: the trust has expressed support to include Salt Spring Island in Bill 44.

[0:22:30] Voice 3: were, I think it's the density provisions. Because we are in

[0:22:36] Trustee Harris (probable): Bill 44, it's just the density provisions.

[0:22:39] Voice 11: Can police press the court to include

[0:22:41] Trustee Harris (probable): Saltscrantz in the, I

[0:22:43] Trustee Harris (probable): think it's the density provisions.

[0:22:47] Voice 11: Prior to Bill 44.

[0:22:48] Voice 11: Yeah, prior

[0:22:49] Trustee Harris (probable): to that, sorry.

[0:22:50] Trustee Harris (probable): About 9-11.

[0:22:52] And

[0:22:58] Voice 9: that's all right.

[0:22:59] Voice 9: And then

[0:23:03] Voice 3: just section 10.1. There's just a hanging sentence

[0:23:08] Voice 3: It says it was none of the CRD and Islands Trust presented it.

[0:23:13] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:23:15] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay, presentations.

[0:23:17] Trustee Harris (probable): Oh, it was a mystery.

[0:23:20] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay.

[0:23:20] Trustee Harris (probable): I know.

[0:23:21] Trustee Harris (probable): And then there was just some typos in the local trust that means all attacks for some

[0:23:25] Trustee Harris (probable): reason.

[0:23:28] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay,

[0:23:32] Voice 5: so we're okay with those amendments?

[0:23:34] Voice 5: Have consensus on that?

[0:23:35] Voice 5: so then um i'll take it then that the minutes of february the 15th be adopted as amended

[0:23:42] Voice 5: thank you very much for your great work uh sarah sugar um i'm going to continue on the next

[0:23:50] Voice 5: section is correspondence um and as noted

[0:23:54] Trustee Harris (probable): here on the agenda uh meant quite a bit of correspondence

[0:23:58] Trustee Harris (probable): end up being associated with projections listed and posted on our website accordingly

[0:24:05] Trustee Harris (probable): Accordingly, there's

[0:24:07] Voice 5: some direct letters here, 9.1 through 9.4.

[0:24:12] Voice 5: Typically, we receive those for information unless there's a specific direction

[0:24:17] Trustee Harris (probable): that the trustees would like to take.

[0:24:19] Trustee Harris (probable): So I'm just going to ask the question, is there any one of these four pieces of correspondence that you would like to take action on?

[0:24:28] Trustee Harris (probable): Laura, Patrick, go ahead.

[0:24:29] Trustee Harris (probable): HAB-Masyn Moyer- It's for a

[0:24:29] Voice 3: question on 9

[0:24:31] Trustee Harris (probable): .4 there's there's

[0:24:33] Trustee Harris (probable): HAB-Masyn Moyer- A question regarding

[0:24:38] Trustee Harris (probable): HAB-Masyn Moyer- Yes, the invasive plant drop off.

[0:24:43] Trustee Harris (probable): HAB-Masyn Moyer- They're seeking

[0:24:44] Voice 3: helms to that our fellows here any folks are gone and talk to them about it, but

[0:24:49] Voice 3: It just seems like, I doubt there's

[0:24:53] Voice 5: anything we can do, but

[0:24:54] Trustee Harris (probable): I just feel that that would be a great loss to the island not to have that annual drop-off event because it is well used.

[0:25:10] Voice 10: Possibly, Mr. Chair, this letter seems to be copied to Island Trust and not directly addressed to us.

[0:25:19] Voice 10: Basically, it's also based upon that, but it's under the jurisdiction of the CRD, so it would be good to hear from the CRD on their response to the call that you'd like.

[0:25:31] Trustee Harris (probable): Well, it's just that, is there anything we can do? I don't think there is, but just to make sure we ask ourselves that question.

[0:25:41] Trustee Harris (probable): So, you know, that's unfortunate that they didn't speak to that, but they were both LCC

[0:25:47] Trustee Harris (probable): and CRD were at their client recipients.

[0:25:52] Trustee Harris (probable): Certainly sympathetic with the issue sounds like great work that was done.

[0:25:58] Trustee Harris (probable): So unless there's any specific data, it is outside of our control.

[0:26:03] Trustee Harris (probable): But so we'll just receive that information until later.

[0:26:06] Trustee Harris (probable): so we'll receive all four of those items

[0:26:08] Trustee Harris (probable): and more information and

[0:26:10] Trustee Harris (probable): continue on with the business horizon

[0:26:12] Trustee Harris (probable): from the minutes so we have to follow up action

[0:26:14] Trustee Harris (probable): list

[0:26:14] Voice 5: dated February 2024

[0:26:17] Voice 5: and I'll just

[0:26:18] Voice 5: ask staff if there's any updates

[0:26:20] Voice 5: to that otherwise I'll go to trustees

[0:26:22] Voice 5: for questions on any of the items

[0:26:24] Voice 5: so any updates or anything you'd like

[0:26:26] Voice 5: to offer? The

[0:26:27] Voice 10: only comment I'll

[0:26:28] Voice 10: offer Mr. Chair

[0:26:30] Voice 10: we're quite a bit

[0:26:31] Voice 10: in terms of the project

[0:26:36] Voice 10: I guess around the board plan of the general direction with the staff and that is the first

[0:26:45] Trustee Harris (probable): is that with regard to the discussion about the boards against Harvard,

[0:26:50] Voice 10: I did have an

[0:26:52] Voice 10: opportunity to speak with two staff members at the County Regional District who, as Dr.

[0:26:57] Voice 10: holding indicated they are planning a meeting that will uh they will include uh the local

[0:27:06] Voice 10: territories uh staff

[0:27:07] Trustee Harris (probable): and elected officials uh they're intending to uh send an invite

[0:27:12] Trustee Harris (probable): my understanding is the tentative date is early in april uh and i'm also looking into

[0:27:16] Trustee Harris (probable): on that picture governmental piece uh providing some

[0:27:20] Voice 10: information specifically about

[0:27:22] Voice 10: to supplement that presentation.

[0:27:25] Voice 10: So I do expect that conversation

[0:27:27] Voice 10: will have a bit of a Gulf Islands focus.

[0:27:31] Voice 10: Looking forward to the role.

[0:27:34] Voice 10: My understanding is it's a very open-ended conversation.

[0:27:36] Voice 10: So it's a lot of ideas to be out there.

[0:27:40] Voice 10: It will involve province, area First Nations,

[0:27:45] Voice 10: the feds, and all elected official staffs

[0:27:49] Voice 10: from across the capital to the area.

[0:27:53] Voice 10: So that's something that's very much

[0:27:55] Voice 10: Mark's sitting on in that regard.

[0:27:58] Voice 10: The review of the cash flow itself

[0:27:59] Voice 10: is not something that we have

[0:28:02] Trustee Harris (probable): a lot of capacity

[0:28:03] Trustee Harris (probable): to take on right now

[0:28:04] Trustee Harris (probable): because of the full work plan

[0:28:06] Trustee Harris (probable): and the development applications,

[0:28:08] Trustee Harris (probable): as well as some coming staff changes,

[0:28:11] Voice 10: which would be a second point

[0:28:12] Voice 10: that I wanted to let you all know about

[0:28:14] Voice 10: is that going forward,

[0:28:16] Voice 10: starting on Wednesday, March 13th,

[0:28:18] Voice 10: I sent you an email about this this morning. The office will be closed. You can still reach us by

[0:28:24] Voice 10: phone or by email. However, with the coming staff change and the upcoming move, there's actually

[0:28:30] Voice 10: quite a bit of work we have to do in office in our meeting, so it takes some time to decide

[0:28:34] Voice 10: to do that work. So they'll be working in office from time to time, but going forward, I would

[0:28:39] Voice 10: like to see adequate staff working

[0:28:42] Trustee Harris (probable): on other tasks. So if you're helping us through this time,

[0:28:47] Trustee Harris (probable): the public's anticipated relocation

[0:28:49] Voice 10: and uh we'll be putting out public notice um some

[0:28:57] Voice 10: ads about that i don't know back in but y'all also rolling out next

[0:29:07] Trustee Harris (probable): so all those kind of questions on that okay i'll make follow-up action on that so patrick

[0:29:14] Trustee Harris (probable): seeing that we have the chair trust council here i'll just follow up on the

[0:29:17] Trustee Harris (probable): the service, the

[0:29:19] Voice 3: CRD service with the Marine.

[0:29:23] Voice 3: And the Analyst Trust Act

[0:29:26] Voice 3: were given jurisdiction up to the high water

[0:29:28] Voice 3: farm in the Sandwich Peninsula, which is shared.

[0:29:32] Voice 3: Salt Spring Local Trust Committee has one half of Sandwich Peninsula, and North Pender has

[0:29:36] Voice 3: the other half. And this service was created to

[0:29:40] Voice 3: coordinate those with jurisdiction, and we weren't invited to the table.

[0:29:45] Voice 3: We are being invited to this workshop, which is good, but

[0:29:48] Voice 3: but we're not members of the service.

[0:29:49] Voice 3: So I think this is the ongoing loss of opportunity.

[0:29:54] Voice 3: Maybe that's the right word to look at it,

[0:29:56] Voice 3: of working more closely with the service.

[0:30:00] Voice 3: in areas in our jurisdiction sometimes doesn't

[0:30:03] Trustee Harris (probable): make sense of how we have jurisdiction up to the high water market and municipalities have 3,000

[0:30:10] Voice 3: meters. So there's a lot of

[0:30:14] Voice 3: interesting crossovers there that need to be addressed. The only comment I have on the follow up action report is there are motions tend to drop off and before they're addressed.

[0:30:30] Voice 3: And I'm not certain on that, so like the motion we made in February a year ago about looking

[0:30:41] Voice 3: for interim options for entering into protocol agreements and the Indigenous relations approach

[0:30:50] Voice 3: motion can march, aren't in here and there's more, there's back in September a new work

[0:30:57] Voice 3: year 22 we made a motion on Weston Lake watershed about requesting staff to organize a meeting

[0:31:03] Voice 3: on options to do uh to organize a meeting on next steps with that watershed um so things are

[0:31:12] Voice 3: they're gone and um and I don't know why maybe it's because the age of the report but um I just

[0:31:20] Voice 3: want to make sure we're not we're I

[0:31:22] Voice 1: go back through the

[0:31:23] Voice 3: minutes I always find other motions

[0:31:25] Voice 3: motions. Like we made a motion last meeting to ask for the meeting with the CRD. We'd

[0:31:31] Voice 3: already had that motion made for setting a meeting with the CRD that whenever we had

[0:31:38] Voice 3: the protocol conversation, I found at the minute. So I don't know why things are dropping

[0:31:45] Voice 3: off of here. So it's

[0:31:48] Trustee Harris (probable): something we just have to pay

[0:31:49] Voice 3: attention to. And I'm all for and understand

[0:31:54] Trustee Harris (probable): understand sometimes we make motions in the heat of a conversation that don't make sense later but

[0:31:58] Trustee Harris (probable): we should have a conversation to agree that it doesn't make sense so that we're all on the same

[0:32:04] Trustee Harris (probable): page but that's just comments there well

[0:32:13] Voice 10: I mean the drop-off is basically a limitation of the

[0:32:16] Voice 10: The tool that we have the ball of action to does basically the reporting function and a system of time limit on it, so they they are still on the back end.

[0:32:30] Voice 10: We do anyway, a full update call, I guess.

[0:32:36] Voice 10: yeah.

[0:32:38] Voice 10: The report function of.

[0:32:41] Voice 10: Your agenda.

[0:32:46] Trustee Harris (probable): So.

[0:32:47] Voice 5: So, when I was chairing before we used to do fairly regular,

[0:32:55] Voice 5: regular reviews of the faction list and application

[0:33:00] Voice 5: to make sure that do or,

[0:33:03] Voice 5: and would that full report be available at that time?

[0:33:06] Voice 5: Yeah, we can, I think that's,

[0:33:08] Voice 5: we

[0:33:08] Voice 10: do want to

[0:33:08] Voice 5: be able to like,

[0:33:09] Trustee Harris (probable): we need to sort of output a full review

[0:33:13] Voice 10: for the LTC.

[0:33:15] Voice 10: see. So

[0:33:15] Voice 10: it would be the same.

[0:33:17] Trustee Harris (probable): We can provide that and go through the rest of it.

[0:33:22] Trustee Harris (probable): Six months doesn't seem like very long enough time for the amount of time it often takes for

[0:33:28] Voice 10: projects to get done. Is there a way to fix that? For the most part, it should be less than that.

[0:33:35] Voice 10: Fuel shipping, we kind of have a disconnect software policy where the policy says the fuel

[0:33:43] Voice 10: should be contained what what staff do

[0:33:45] Trustee Harris (probable): in the next

[0:33:46] Voice 10: three four months

[0:33:47] Trustee Harris (probable): whether it's the reporting

[0:33:49] Trustee Harris (probable): function well

[0:33:54] Voice 5: i think that's a discussion in the next review that has approved that

[0:33:58] Voice 5: and then i can't help but wonder the first item there about the lack of an invitation to

[0:34:07] Voice 5: participate in the body

[0:34:11] Trustee Harris (probable): is that the crd is pulled together to think what sort

[0:34:15] Voice 5: of should there be

[0:34:15] Voice 5: some action that we should take here should we write a letter or do something i think we are

[0:34:21] Voice 3: we've asked for a protocol immediately

[0:34:22] Trustee Harris (probable): but i think it's something broader that's between

[0:34:25] Trustee Harris (probable): salt spring and the syria there's other islands wider yeah harbors and every island

[0:34:35] Trustee Harris (probable): benefit by participating i

[0:34:37] Voice 5: didn't raise it just now but my immediate thought was that the big

[0:34:42] Voice 5: Zellman could definitely help by listening

[0:34:48] Trustee Harris (probable): if not participating in such a session. We've just

[0:34:51] Trustee Harris (probable): recently got a mobile marina that showed up there. I don't know if anybody's heard about that,

[0:34:56] Trustee Harris (probable): but it's interesting, inadequately anchored. And what that looks like.

[0:35:04] Trustee Harris (probable): Anything else on the follow-up action list?

[0:35:06] Trustee Harris (probable): uh well just on something we're talking about yeah we we had a meeting i don't know what

[0:35:14] Trustee Harris (probable): what month it was last year about the jurisdiction of the harvard and it was

[0:35:20] Trustee Harris (probable): clear that the analyst trust has jurisdiction over what's going on with the harvard so yeah

[0:35:31] Trustee Harris (probable): funding to the budget to enforce right so clearly there's a problem

[0:35:42] Trustee Harris (probable): I see us wading into other issues that are clearly a problem, yet we have this glaring

[0:35:54] Trustee Harris (probable): issue which isn't just a harbor because it also relates to what's happening in the engines

[0:35:59] Trustee Harris (probable): that's spurting out some of the elements that are in the heart.

[0:36:10] Trustee Harris (probable): So it would be nice if we could, seeing as we apparently have jurisdiction, we've got

[0:36:17] Trustee Harris (probable): legal opinions and the rest of it given to us. Why aren't we focusing on that? Why is it not

[0:36:24] Trustee Harris (probable): a priority? We had somebody in the way screaming from town tops for months. Thank you to Park

[0:36:30] Trustee Harris (probable): Booty. So I'm very frustrated to say that it's behavior I've seen in Ganges and it's a shame

[0:36:42] that there's

[0:36:44] Trustee Harris (probable): this select few that are involved with the issue you have in the harbor that are

[0:36:49] Trustee Harris (probable): in town you know i've watched the boardwalk be used as a toilet i see people rowing from my place

[0:36:56] Trustee Harris (probable): of business daily rowing from up in the harvard coming to the centennial park crack beers use the

[0:37:08] Trustee Harris (probable): boardwalk as a toilet their dogs run loose i was talking to gary this morning we've got loose dogs

[0:37:14] Trustee Harris (probable): clearly centennial park is a regional park there's policies set out there's even science

[0:37:20] Trustee Harris (probable): Dogs must be on a leash. There's numerous times there's over half a dozen loose dogs running

[0:37:27] Trustee Harris (probable): people using the gazebo as a parting house within 40 feet of a children's parlor.

[0:37:37] Trustee Harris (probable): So like

[0:37:39] Voice 6: we have a problem but then we have this thing coming to us about groundwater

[0:37:45] Trustee Harris (probable): and wanting to wade into the provincial jurisdiction of approved water requirements

[0:37:51] Trustee Harris (probable): for subdivision, when we have a housing crisis, it's like, hang on, we have a problem, let's

[0:37:59] Trustee Harris (probable): deal with that. Why are we going after things that may or may not be a problem? The groundwater,

[0:38:06] Trustee Harris (probable): I'm going to say that as a friend, the proof of groundwater deal, where it's very alarming

[0:38:14] Trustee Harris (probable): what happened in the past two meetings with the forwarding of that discussion. How is

[0:38:21] Trustee Harris (probable): that even a discussion ever basically a catastrophe happening in parkland

[0:38:31] let

[0:38:33] Trustee Harris (probable): me hear some thoughts unfortunately i could not hear you get assistance from that

[0:38:38] Trustee Harris (probable): um it's been a long-standing issue one other thing something that related you may have more

[0:38:44] Trustee Harris (probable): information about this cherry rock is that old island i assume was a problem happening in their

[0:38:50] Trustee Harris (probable): area they dealt with it and i've heard talk on the street so quite a few votes were from there

[0:38:56] Trustee Harris (probable): being a municipality they have different that's jurisdiction also that's the that's the real

[0:39:02] Trustee Harris (probable): nail that could are there municipalities so yeah there's costs associated with it

[0:39:08] Trustee Harris (probable): like it but

[0:39:10] Voice 5: yeah that's all i will say in that respect i don't know if you have anything to

[0:39:14] Voice 5: offer on this topic um at

[0:39:17] Voice 5: all sorry

[0:39:18] Voice 10: i don't

[0:39:21] Voice 5: know if you have anything to contribute on this topic

[0:39:23] Voice 5: topic at all by law enforcement and barber um the relationship the the difference in the

[0:39:28] Voice 5: relationship that the municipality has with their jurisdictional authority and ours um clearly

[0:39:34] Voice 5: different i think it doesn't really need to be i

[0:39:37] Voice 10: think i think it's a conversation to have with

[0:39:39] Voice 10: Mr. Dingman, about how we work and how CRD works is a bit of a separate issue.

[0:39:46] Voice 10: We are working to set up a, that meeting with, have a council or LBC to the director of the meeting,

[0:39:55] I think enforcement is probably potentially one topic that

[0:40:00] Voice 10: could be covered in there,

[0:40:00] Voice 10: the leadership expectations.

[0:40:04] And I know that our enforcement does really great work.

[0:40:07] i see it all

[0:40:08] Voice 10: the time working with rc and tbc enforcement uh so there's there's collaboration

[0:40:13] Voice 10: uh and i think it's uh it

[0:40:16] Trustee Harris (probable): turns out that there's a lack of corrections

[0:40:19] Trustee Harris (probable): there's a lack of collaboration or a lineup between the organizations and it's probably

[0:40:23] Trustee Harris (probable): something to be maybe working for us it seems as though mr chairman is very incapable of dealing

[0:40:30] Trustee Harris (probable): with the problem. It's been going on quite a long time. I've spoken with RCMP and they've

[0:40:37] Trustee Harris (probable): made the statement to me, unofficially, that because we are not a municipality on these

[0:40:49] Trustee Harris (probable): issues, it's clear we have a huge problem. Apparently we have jurisdiction, but we're

[0:40:59] Trustee Harris (probable): not able to do anything. The problem seems to be worsening.

[0:41:05] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:41:05] Trustee Harris (probable): It was a big problem for the municipality to undertake. I wouldn't say it's resolved,

[0:41:12] Trustee Harris (probable): And Laura, you know, this has been a long standing conversation, of which the collaboration

[0:41:18] Trustee Harris (probable): with the CRD has not been, I'm speaking on a term that appears to me was not worth coming.

[0:41:27] Trustee Harris (probable): Well,

[0:41:27] Voice 3: I think this is a step in the right direction to be brought to the workshop.

[0:41:31] Voice 3: The main reason is that, and Trustee Harris, so if one harbor cracks down, well, both move.

[0:41:40] Voice 3: move. And I think there's a huge advantage to working as a region. So collectively working

[0:41:46] Voice 3: together, because we aren't at all experiencing the

[0:41:51] Trustee Harris (probable): challenges. So a good opportunity to work

[0:41:54] Trustee Harris (probable): as we should together.

[0:41:58] Voice 5: So I guess my initial question was to say of some direction that we should like to take

[0:42:03] Voice 5: for taking in books that

[0:42:06] Voice 3: we're going

[0:42:07] Trustee Harris (probable): to be invited to this meeting. Okay, coming up.

[0:42:10] okay so that's ideally

[0:42:12] Trustee Harris (probable): you can both attend this meeting and have your voices heard we have we

[0:42:17] Trustee Harris (probable): have two options i think the opportunities to do that uh both would be at the local level with

[0:42:22] Trustee Harris (probable): reaching above okay okay great is there anything else on the follow-up

[0:42:27] Voice 5: action um by the fortune

[0:42:32] Voice 5: word i just sort of received it being a little bit ahead of schedule here and i am wondering

[0:42:36] Voice 5: or the LTC, whether you'd like to do the in-cam repeats now, and that would save us having

[0:42:41] Voice 5: to disrupt the meeting later, and if staff is available to join us in the in-cam check.

[0:42:48] Voice 5: Would that be all right with the trustees?

[0:42:51] Voice 10: I think

[0:42:51] Voice 10: that's a better point.

[0:42:54] Voice 10: Yeah, we should check and make sure the rate's up here.

[0:42:56] Voice 10: Yep.

[0:42:57] Voice 10: Thanks, Joe.

[0:42:58] Voice 10: All right, then.

[0:42:59] Voice 5: So then, yeah, you got the message.

[0:43:01] Voice 5: So we'll be reconvening at noon is our normal time.

[0:43:05] Voice 5: time and so uh thank you for joining us today and maybe jason you could just make sure that

[0:43:11] Voice 5: door is closed so in the

[0:43:16] Voice 5: while we're getting that in order did i get into somebody to make

[0:43:19] Voice 5: a motion which is on page three of your agenda i

[0:43:23] Voice 3: know that the salt spring island local trust

[0:43:25] Voice 3: committee closed this meeting to the public subject to community charter section 91

[0:43:28] Voice 3: One, a part of a council meeting may be closed to the public if the subject matter being considered relates to one more of the following.

[0:43:40] Voice 3: One information that was pivoted or information that was presented in a document would be pivoted from disclosure under Section 21 of the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act and

[0:43:56] Trustee Harris (probable): that staff be invited to remain.

[0:43:57] Trustee Harris (probable): any okay

[0:43:58] Voice 5: so that's a uh a motion that's moved and um i know trustee harris you were indicating

[0:44:05] Voice 5: you had something else you wanted to add under the agenda and remember the email um but i think

[0:44:10] Voice 5: that this uh the reasons that we're going in camera are covered oh sorry i understand what

[0:44:16] Trustee Harris (probable): you said yeah are covered and so are you satisfied with that assumption and therefore i'd look to you

[0:44:23] Trustee Harris (probable): to second so we will talk about what we can

[0:44:27] Voice 5: ask to have it put on the agenda of course

[0:44:28] Voice 5: i think the topic will be

[0:44:31] Voice 5: covered under the items for the reason that we're going in camera

[0:44:34] Voice 5: okay so second it and then i'll just call the vote on the motion to go in camera

[0:44:40] Voice 5: favor that carries so we'll give staff a moment to uh stop okay um so um the software local trust

[0:44:51] Voice 5: committee has just returned in camera session i'd like to rise and report that uh the draft minutes

[0:44:57] Voice 5: of november the 16th and december the 14th were adopted and that uh salt spring bylaw enforcement

[0:45:04] Voice 5: 2021.110 and salt spring bylaw enforcement 2021.96 have both been cancelled so um that's our

[0:45:16] Voice 5: rise on the board for a main camera session we're going to go into a recess now and we adjourn at

[0:45:22] Voice 5: 12 o'clock and at 12 o'clock we will beginning be beginning with applications and referrals and

[0:45:30] Voice 5: local trust committees projects will be so

[0:45:32] Trustee Harris (probable): thank you for joining us this morning and we'll see you

[0:45:35] Trustee Harris (probable): You're welcome.

[1:23:57] Voice 2: got a

[1:23:58] Voice 10: couple things on the bill so uh

[1:24:26] Voice 5: welcome back everybody um we've um had uh we're about

[1:24:31] Voice 5: to go into applications and referrals on page 32 of your agenda we've had a very good uh morning

[1:24:38] Voice 5: here uh so far and um thank the trustees for that

[1:24:43] Trustee Harris (probable): and um our first uh application here is 13.1

[1:24:47] Trustee Harris (probable): salt spring development department 2023

[1:24:49] Voice 5: .18 reeve at 103 tantra i hope i got that right is the

[1:24:58] Voice 5: applicant here here perfect okay so staff are going to present their report to us and um providing

[1:25:06] Voice 5: at that point we provide you an opportunity if you have any information or remarks you'd like to make

[1:25:11] Voice 5: respect to the recommendation and the package and then we'll have a conversation at this table

[1:25:16] Voice 5: and there may be some questions for you with the planning staff on the report and um and then we'll

[1:25:22] Voice 5: make a decision here okay so we've got uh charlie capra who's going to help us with this one

[1:25:35] Voice 10: but i think she's coming on uh

[1:25:41] Voice 9: that's okay

[1:25:44] Voice 9: okay and she'll pop up on her screen

[1:25:56] Voice 9: Here we go. I'm able to unmute.

[1:26:09] Voice 5: Yeah, you know, when I was growing up, they said that all this technology was going to help us.

[1:26:17] Voice 5: More time lost.

[1:26:26] Voice 1: Okay, it looks like I'm up and running.

[1:26:29] Voice 4: Here we

[1:26:29] Voice 5: are, loud and clear. Charlie, nice to see you.

[1:26:32] Voice 1: Nice to

[1:26:32] Voice 1: see you too.

[1:26:34] Trustee Harris (probable): Thanks for being here today.

[1:26:35] Trustee Harris (probable): day.

[1:26:35] Voice 1: Thanks. Sorry, I wasn't able to get into the meeting. I'm assuming the first application is

[1:26:41] Voice 1: SSDVP 2023.18?

[1:26:44] Trustee Harris (probable): That's correct. I've introduced

[1:26:45] Trustee Harris (probable): it and so the floor is yours.

[1:26:48] Voice 1: Perfect. Okay. So

[1:26:49] Voice 1: the purpose of this application is for the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee to consider

[1:26:54] Voice 1: Development Variance Permit SSDVP 2023.18 has been introduced, which is seeking to vary the

[1:27:01] Voice 1: the following. The minimum front line setback of 7.5 meters or 24.6 feet to permit an existing

[1:27:07] Voice 1: garage stairs and a rock wall extension within zero meters of the front lot line.

[1:27:13] Voice 1: The natural boundary of the C setback of 15 meters or 49.2 feet to permit a rock wall extension

[1:27:19] Voice 1: within 4.26 meters or 14 feet of the natural boundary and an existing deck stairs and bench

[1:27:25] Voice 1: within 5.8 meters or 19 feet of the natural boundary and the natural boundary setback of

[1:27:32] Voice 1: 30 meters or 98.4 feet to permit an existing septic field replacement within 11.8 meters or

[1:27:39] Voice 1: 38.7 feet of the natural boundary. So the application is supported by staff as many

[1:27:46] Voice 1: of the structures were rebuilt within the existing building footprints and because the site is

[1:27:49] Voice 1: constrained as the lot is largely comprised of solid rock um and so just quickly a bit of

[1:27:56] Voice 1: background um the application came to us uh due to a bylaw enforcement notice um we went out to

[1:28:04] Voice 1: the property um it was originally for the crushed rock um uh parking lot addition um as you're

[1:28:11] Voice 1: likely aware in that vesuvius bay area there is the lanes are quite narrow um it's characterized

[1:28:17] Voice 1: by you know lack of parking availability so um that's sort of uh the rationale for that um once

[1:28:23] Voice 1: we went there we realized there was other structures on the property that were within

[1:28:26] Voice 1: setbacks and um didn't have um uh variances um or you know had um been replacements for example

[1:28:34] Voice 1: the septic field um etc um so we wanted to include all of the variances within um this application

[1:28:40] Voice 1: um and yeah the rationale is um due to the site constraints and um and uh that you know most of

[1:28:48] Voice 1: the stuff was within the existing footprint because uh the the dwelling was originally

[1:28:52] Voice 1: constructed in 1950 and the it's likely that the septic was done at the same time sort of thing so

[1:28:57] Voice 1: um yeah if you have any other questions um i'm happy to answer them and i believe that the the

[1:29:04] Voice 1: the owner is there at the meeting.

[1:29:08] Voice 5: That's correct.

[1:29:09] Voice 5: So thank you very much, Glenna Caproff.

[1:29:11] Voice 5: Excellent report.

[1:29:13] Voice 5: Thank you for your advice.

[1:29:14] Voice 5: And then I've offered the applicant opportunity to add any additional

[1:29:18] Voice 5: information or that he's in support of the recommendation here.

[1:29:23] Voice 5: We got your letter and some other supporting letters in the package here,

[1:29:27] Voice 5: and that was helpful.

[1:29:28] Voice 5: So, sir, do you have any?

[1:29:30] Voice 10: Well, I don't know if you're familiar with Capronar,

[1:29:32] Voice 10: but it's a it's a tiny little lane and it dead ends at basically an area where there is no

[1:29:40] Voice 10: turnaround there's a there's a large beach and property that's on point uh there's a house

[1:29:47] Voice 10: adjacent to us and and in our place so it's like at least two or three times a day we have cars

[1:29:54] Voice 10: that sort of wander their way down this beach and then they end up backing all the way out back up

[1:30:00] Voice 10: maybe because there was no place to turn around so really this the parking structure that we put in

[1:30:08] Voice 10: came from we the area before was just a mass of brew and

[1:30:14] Voice 10: blackberries

[1:30:16] Trustee Harris (probable): and the septic field that

[1:30:19] Trustee Harris (probable): we were replacing was quite high from the zola probably

[1:30:22] Voice 10: eight feet higher than the road level

[1:30:25] Voice 10: so all the equipment had to come up through this thing up to the to replace the septic field

[1:30:33] Voice 10: so it was all destroyed and my septic contractor at the time

[1:30:37] Voice 10: already texted me he said he said you know i think i can get a partial spot

[1:30:40] Voice 10: you know this one yeah i thought wow that's wonderful because it's it's a real problem

[1:30:46] Voice 10: and uh i have to be honest i wasn't aware that building a rock wall was a structure so i

[1:30:54] Voice 10: it but i didn't really realize that we needed to get a development permit prior to putting that in

[1:30:59] Voice 10: i must say though we probably have had 40 couples walk by our property since the wall was completed

[1:31:09] Trustee Harris (probable): in the park construction but anyway i haven't had one complaint at all everybody said to me what a

[1:31:14] Trustee Harris (probable): wonderful job you did so sorry i i didn't realize that you don't permit if i knew that it would have

[1:31:20] Trustee Harris (probable): go ahead and help okay well thank you for coming

[1:31:24] Voice 5: today yeah and so i'm going to go to trustees and

[1:31:26] Voice 5: ask you

[1:31:27] Trustee Harris (probable): if you have

[1:31:27] Voice 5: any questions for the planning staff or for the applicant otherwise i'd be looking

[1:31:30] Voice 5: for

[1:31:30] Trustee Harris (probable): emotions i don't have any questions no

[1:31:35] Voice 3: no i'm very familiar with the street uh i thank you you're

[1:31:39] Voice 3: solving a problem yeah

[1:31:44] Voice 10: i thought it was something wrong and i really did it's

[1:31:47] Voice 3: on these tiny lots

[1:31:49] Voice 3: lots where

[1:31:49] Trustee Harris (probable): it's so close to the edges.

[1:31:54] Voice 10: Everything's been there since all the other things

[1:31:56] Voice 10: that we were talking about,

[1:31:58] Voice 10: either had a permit from CRD, the garage did,

[1:32:02] Voice 10: and I believe Brad Lawson

[1:32:05] Trustee Harris (probable): from Rorick went through all

[1:32:06] Trustee Harris (probable): the hoops for the inception in place of .

[1:32:12] Trustee Harris (probable): Like I said, I wish I knew that that was the structure

[1:32:15] Trustee Harris (probable): I needed to buy a house.

[1:32:17] Trustee Harris (probable): Well, thank you so much.

[1:32:18] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah. So I'll look for a motion. I'll move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve

[1:32:23] Trustee Harris (probable): issuance of SSDBP 2023.80. All right. Do I have a seconder? Okay. Second by Trustee Harris.

[1:32:30] Voice 5: No further discussion? No. All those in favor? That carries unanimously. Thank you very much.

[1:32:36] Voice 5: Thank you very much for your kindness and my coming forward with this request. Okay.

[1:32:43] Voice 5: Our next item then is Salt Spring Subdivision 2024.1, Ferguson, at 1001 Fulford, Ganges Road.

[1:32:54] Voice 5: Is the applicant here?

[1:32:56] Voice 1: I don't believe so.

[1:32:58] Voice 1: I've been working with the MODY project manager, Michael.

[1:33:02] Voice 1: I did give him the link, but I don't see that he's here today.

[1:33:06] Voice 1: Okay, thank you.

[1:33:08] Voice 5: page

[1:33:10] Voice 5: page 51

[1:33:13] Voice 5: so

[1:33:14] Voice 5: Plana Capra

[1:33:16] Voice 5: over to you

[1:33:17] Voice 5: so

[1:33:18] Voice 1: this application

[1:33:21] Voice 1: is located at 1001

[1:33:23] Voice 1: Fulford Ganges Road

[1:33:24] Voice 1: and so basically what Modi is

[1:33:27] Voice 1: looking to do Ministry of Transportation

[1:33:28] Voice 1: Infrastructure is

[1:33:29] Voice 1: they've gone through the acquisition

[1:33:32] Voice 1: process for a stretch

[1:33:34] Voice 1: of property

[1:33:36] Voice 1: fronting onto Fulford Ganges Road

[1:33:38] Voice 1: road and they're looking to partially discharge a section 219 conservation covenant and a section

[1:33:44] Voice 1: 219 statutory right-of-way agreement that is on that property so because it's a partial discharge

[1:33:51] Voice 1: it would still remain with the property and then this area would be dedicated as road the reason

[1:33:57] Voice 1: that they're doing this is this has all been spurred from the 2021 atmospheric river and the

[1:34:04] Voice 1: washout and so they want to prevent that from happening so they're going to be doing some

[1:34:07] Voice 1: some upgrades. They will be doing works in and about a stream. So they are going to be getting

[1:34:11] Voice 1: a Section 11 permit. They're in the process of that. They're working with the province. They

[1:34:18] Voice 1: also will need to adhere to DFO's requirements. So they will be following stringent requirements

[1:34:28] Voice 1: for works in and about a stream. And the intent of this work is to do these major infrastructure

[1:34:34] Voice 1: infrastructure improvements, um, which are required under, you know, in compliance with

[1:34:38] Voice 1: the Transportation Association of Canada design criteria, which includes, um, you know, climate

[1:34:44] Voice 1: adaptation and resilience preparedness. Um, so this is an, you know, a net benefit for the

[1:34:49] Voice 1: community. We don't want to see washout of Fulford Ganges Road and we want to be prepared for future

[1:34:54] Voice 1: atmospheric rivers, et cetera. Um, so, uh, staff are definitely in, um, support of this application

[1:35:00] Voice 1: and supporting this partial discharge.

[1:35:04] Voice 1: So basically what would happen is they would be able to go

[1:35:08] Voice 1: to the Land Title Association and get that change

[1:35:13] Voice 1: to the subdivision plan once they get signed off from the LTC.

[1:35:19] Voice 1: So yeah, if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer anything.

[1:35:23] Trustee Harris (probable): Thank you very much.

[1:35:24] Trustee Harris (probable): Are there any

[1:35:26] Trustee Harris (probable): questions for staff?

[1:35:29] Trustee Harris (probable): they're actually filling a bridge you can get a bridge

[1:35:32] Voice 3: on a culvert so that's pretty cool

[1:35:34] Voice 3: yeah um the only question i have is the the motion's quite specific and says designate

[1:35:39] Voice 3: uh tim as the signatory in the past we've always said designate like a a

[1:35:45] Trustee Harris (probable): trustee

[1:35:46] Voice 3: so that um you

[1:35:47] Voice 3: know makes it when the papers are ready you could call either jamie or i and we could be in your

[1:35:52] Voice 3: your office in 10 minutes okay tim can't so

[1:35:56] Trustee Harris (probable): that was the only thing that caught me by surprise was

[1:35:58] Trustee Harris (probable): that i don't think we have to say tim to say a trustee right

[1:36:03] Voice 1: yeah and and we could definitely

[1:36:05] Voice 1: change that i'd asked um david marler about the um wording for that because uh the lawyer had sent a

[1:36:12] Voice 1: kind of different terminology and so he had said to put the name um and the chair um assault swing

[1:36:18] Voice 1: but let i'm sure we could do you know a um uh you know um a trustee um how it's been done in the

[1:36:25] Voice 1: past sort of thing um a local member of the local trust committee sort of thing so

[1:36:30] Voice 10: uh the indication

[1:36:34] Voice 10: is that uh mr marler could have received some information on some of our our legal procedures

[1:36:40] Voice 10: around this and there's some other stuff around so i've got that for specific resolutions so

[1:36:47] Voice 10: So this is kind of an updated process.

[1:36:53] Voice 3: I understand that, but I'm just trying to say,

[1:36:56] Trustee Harris (probable): difficult for Tim Peterson to come into your office

[1:36:58] Trustee Harris (probable): to sign papers.

[1:37:01] Trustee Harris (probable): So that was all, it's easier for him than I.

[1:37:04] Trustee Harris (probable): One of us could be the signatory, that's all.

[1:37:07] Trustee Harris (probable): So does it have to be the chair?

[1:37:11] Trustee Harris (probable): And he doesn't need one of us.

[1:37:14] Trustee Harris (probable): By motion.

[1:37:15] Trustee Harris (probable): By motion.

[1:37:16] Trustee Harris (probable): I was just trying to think of the logistics

[1:37:31] Voice 5: So maybe we just follow the path we've been on because that's how I've seen it before and it obviously hasn't caused it, and then

[1:37:40] Trustee Harris (probable): if you come back with

[1:37:41] Trustee Harris (probable): stronger information that, no, we need to do this as best practice that, you know, there is a mail

[1:37:48] Trustee Harris (probable): system internally, you know, and then you can come back with stronger information that, you know, we need to do this as best practice that, you know, there is a mail system internally.

[1:37:49] Voice 5: and

[1:37:49] Trustee Harris (probable): externally that has worked in the past with themselves but it

[1:37:55] Voice 5: slows it down it's that an

[1:37:56] Voice 5: applicant is trying to get something yeah yeah okay so um unless there's any other questions

[1:38:03] Voice 5: so so

[1:38:05] Trustee Harris (probable): can we agree then we'll just say and designate a trustee um in the motion is that

[1:38:12] Trustee Harris (probable): sufficient then if we have to fix it well maybe just designate a name could be one or the other

[1:38:20] Trustee Harris (probable): be comfortable to say a trustee of the local trust okay i think

[1:38:24] Trustee Harris (probable): uh if i

[1:38:24] Voice 10: may mr chair do you

[1:38:26] Voice 10: recommend this motion uh regardless of the normal time scenario we do a trust council coming up so

[1:38:32] Voice 10: we're very interested in favor tonight we're not going to be waiting for uh peterson to be

[1:38:42] Voice 10: but we do have an opportunity to move it quickly if you like uh or if you'd like to make an

[1:38:48] Voice 10: amendment

[1:38:49] Trustee Harris (probable): uh through that i'm going to make a motion so you're strongly advising we should

[1:38:55] Trustee Harris (probable): follow that strategy yes okay uh i move that the salt spring and local trust committee support

[1:39:02] Trustee Harris (probable): our focus charge of s.21 conservation covenant s.218 statutory right-of-way agreement fa101

[1:39:11] Trustee Harris (probable): and designate a trustee of the Salisbury Local Trust Committee and the execution of the application

[1:39:24] Trustee Harris (probable): of the deposit to deposit plan EPP-10416.

[1:39:30] Trustee Harris (probable): Right, moved.

[1:39:31] Trustee Harris (probable): Do I have a second?

[1:39:33] Trustee Harris (probable): Seconded by Trustee Patrick.

[1:39:34] Voice 5: Any further discussion on that motion?

[1:39:37] Voice 5: All those in favor?

[1:39:38] Voice 5: So that carries.

[1:39:40] Voice 5: Thank you for your advice that changes sometimes.

[1:39:46] Trustee Harris (probable): So this is the second motion.

[1:39:47] Trustee Harris (probable): motion here. I move

[1:39:50] Trustee Harris (probable): that the Saltspring High Level Trust Committee request

[1:39:52] Voice 3: that the applicant provide

[1:39:53] Voice 3: Saltspring High Level Trust Committee with the final plan of subdivision once received.

[1:39:58] Trustee Harris (probable): Moved by the Secretary. Mr.

[1:40:00] Voice 5: Harris, thank you. All those in favor? That carries unanimously.

[1:40:06] Voice 5: Excellent. Well thank you for joining us Planner Capron. Good work and we look forward to seeing

[1:40:12] Voice 5: you again sometime.

[1:40:14] Voice 1: This will actually be my last LTC, my last day at Islands Trust is tomorrow.

[1:40:17] Voice 1: and I just want to say it's been lovely

[1:40:19] Voice 1: working with all of you

[1:40:21] Voice 1: yeah

[1:40:24] Trustee Harris (probable): I'm sad, so thank you

[1:40:27] Trustee Harris (probable): for your service, thank you

[1:40:28] Trustee Harris (probable): best

[1:40:29] Voice 1: of luck in your

[1:40:30] Voice 3: new

[1:40:31] Voice 5: career

[1:40:32] Voice 5: thank

[1:40:33] Voice 1: you, thanks Laura, thanks everyone

[1:40:35] Voice 1: bye

[1:40:37] Voice 5: Local Growth Trust Committee Projects is next

[1:40:40] Voice 5: page 75 of your agenda

[1:40:43] Voice 5: and

[1:40:44] Voice 5: the accompanying document I guess

[1:40:46] Voice 5: is probably 107

[1:40:48] Voice 5: out on both the issue you may plan a land use pilot project terms of reference staff report

[1:40:53] Voice 5: jason yeomans your

[1:40:57] Trustee Harris (probable): report over to you thanks and

[1:41:00] Voice 5: both of these

[1:41:02] Trustee Harris (probable): reports are quite lengthy i think

[1:41:04] Trustee Harris (probable): and so you probably want to

[1:41:06] Trustee Harris (probable): wait through them and hope questions at the end or how to handle that

[1:41:10] Trustee Harris (probable): um

[1:41:10] Voice 9: they

[1:41:13] Trustee Harris (probable): are lengthy it's not my intention to sort of labor over each individual aspect of them

[1:41:21] Trustee Harris (probable): I'll introduce the OCPLUB project briefly, and then I've got a series of PowerPoint slides

[1:41:28] Trustee Harris (probable): that sort of bring up the various questions that I've posed through that report, and I

[1:41:32] Trustee Harris (probable): figured we could just sort of look at each of those questions individually, and the LTC

[1:41:38] Trustee Harris (probable): can have some discussion about each of those.

[1:41:41] Trustee Harris (probable): And then perhaps at the end of that conversation, if there are issues that have not yet been

[1:41:47] Trustee Harris (probable): address that the ltc wants to wants to further discuss we can do that yeah is that okay trustee

[1:41:52] Trustee Harris (probable): we'll let jason get

[1:41:54] Voice 5: through to the what i would probably call the faq

[1:41:56] Trustee Harris (probable): section and then we'll uh

[1:41:58] Trustee Harris (probable): we'll have some conversation okay thank you for your work glad to see you working on the committee

[1:42:09] Trustee Harris (probable): okay thank you chair um so including your agenda package today is a report will be revised terms

[1:42:16] Trustee Harris (probable): terms of reference for the LTC's OCP LUB update project.

[1:42:22] Trustee Harris (probable): This revised terms of reference follows on discussion

[1:42:25] Trustee Harris (probable): from the LTC's December 14th meeting,

[1:42:28] Trustee Harris (probable): where you would previously review terms of reference

[1:42:31] Trustee Harris (probable): for this project.

[1:42:33] Trustee Harris (probable): And the LTC at that meeting had a lengthy discussion

[1:42:36] Trustee Harris (probable): and posed a number of changes and questions

[1:42:37] Trustee Harris (probable): that they see addressed in that previous version

[1:42:40] Trustee Harris (probable): of terms of reference.

[1:42:42] Trustee Harris (probable): I came onto this project only in January,

[1:42:45] Trustee Harris (probable): And with that, had a desire, I think, to bring some fresh eyes to it a little bit and I found

[1:42:51] Trustee Harris (probable): that the previous version of the Charges of Reference didn't work particularly well for

[1:42:55] Trustee Harris (probable): me.

[1:42:56] Trustee Harris (probable): And so I wanted to sort of reorganize things a little bit into a structure that was a little

[1:43:00] Trustee Harris (probable): more intuitive for my sense and I thought perhaps would be a little more intuitive in

[1:43:05] Trustee Harris (probable): a public-facing way as well.

[1:43:06] Trustee Harris (probable): So I attempted to do that here for you.

[1:43:09] Trustee Harris (probable): um nonetheless included as appendix two to this staff report is the terms of reference that the

[1:43:17] Trustee Harris (probable): ltc did review in december marked up in accordance with the ltc's discussion that day so it is there

[1:43:23] Trustee Harris (probable): for the ltc attorney they want to see where some of the differences might lie between what i've

[1:43:28] Trustee Harris (probable): proposed and what the ltc had previously considered um and really i think we'll we'll move through a

[1:43:37] Trustee Harris (probable): range of a range of questions that I've got left outstanding coming into the project a little late

[1:43:42] Trustee Harris (probable): I know that the LTC has had lengthy discussions about this project already and I've done my best

[1:43:47] Trustee Harris (probable): to review the previous staff reports and look at previous meeting recordings to get a sense of how

[1:43:52] Trustee Harris (probable): you got here but taking on this project anew I kind of simply want to make sure that I've got

[1:44:00] Trustee Harris (probable): as clear an understanding as I can be of what the LTC is hoping to achieve through this project,

[1:44:07] Trustee Harris (probable): like what is the end result that trustees are looking for through this and to make sure that

[1:44:13] Trustee Harris (probable): we capture that appropriately in the terms of reference. And from that terms of reference,

[1:44:18] Trustee Harris (probable): we can then build out the more detailed project documents about the sort of sub-reforms of the

[1:44:23] Trustee Harris (probable): project. The terms of reference really just establishes the guardrails of the project,

[1:44:29] Voice 10: right, the

[1:44:30] Trustee Harris (probable): general purpose of it. So with the LTC's permission, I'd just like to dive

[1:44:35] Trustee Harris (probable): into some of the questions that I am looking for a little bit of clarity on,

[1:44:41] Trustee Harris (probable): I think, before we finalize the Terms of Reference. And so really the first one,

[1:44:50] Trustee Harris (probable): probably the most important one, is just simply around what the goal of this project is.

[1:44:57] Trustee Harris (probable): And, Rob, could you go to the first slide, or the next slide?

[1:45:03] Trustee Harris (probable): So in the iteration of the terms of reference that I've proposed, I've kind of consolidated

[1:45:08] Trustee Harris (probable): what had previously been a long list of objectives, or they were called objectives in the previous

[1:45:14] Trustee Harris (probable): version of the terms of reference, and I've kind of consolidated them into what I think

[1:45:19] Trustee Harris (probable): are probably the LTC's intentions.

[1:45:22] Trustee Harris (probable): I'm taking some liberties here, right, admittedly, I'm kind of reading the tea leaves a little

[1:45:25] Trustee Harris (probable): of it. I know the LTC had previously requested inclusion in

[1:45:29] Trustee Harris (probable): both 44, which is a provincial initiative around small scale

[1:45:34] Trustee Harris (probable): multi unit housing and a range of housing options. And that

[1:45:37] Trustee Harris (probable): suggests to me, and I don't think this would come as a

[1:45:39] Trustee Harris (probable): surprise to anybody, that housing is looming large on

[1:45:44] Trustee Harris (probable): this LTC's agenda, as far as objectives that it wants to

[1:45:47] Trustee Harris (probable): achieve. However, I also know that in advancing housing, that

[1:45:54] Trustee Harris (probable): That goal can also be couched in some of the other sort of higher level objectives that the Islands Trust has formally declared as priorities for the organization,

[1:46:04] Trustee Harris (probable): and that being advancing the interests of First Nations, Australian Territory, and the interest in the Salt Spring Island Trust area.

[1:46:09] Trustee Harris (probable): We know that the Islands Trust has made a reconciliation declaration so that this is an organizational priority.

[1:46:16] Trustee Harris (probable): priority. Enhancing ecosystem integrity and connectivity. It's impossible to proceed,

[1:46:25] Trustee Harris (probable): well it's not impossible, I shouldn't say that, but generally in advancing social priorities

[1:46:30] Trustee Harris (probable): on the island I think we should strongly consider environmental priorities simultaneously, keeping

[1:46:35] Trustee Harris (probable): with the island's trust mandate. And then building climate change resiliency. The trust

[1:46:39] Trustee Harris (probable): committee knows that the island's trust board generally has declared a climate change emergency

[1:46:43] Trustee Harris (probable): and if it is that, then we should make sure that major projects are undertaken with a

[1:46:49] Trustee Harris (probable): lens to that.

[1:46:52] Trustee Harris (probable): Now in entering into this OCP LUB update project with an established goal like increasing housing

[1:47:00] Trustee Harris (probable): options and housing equity, we're potentially front running a bit of a community process

[1:47:06] Trustee Harris (probable): and so therein really lies the question for the LTC which is, are you committed enough

[1:47:12] Trustee Harris (probable): to your priorities and does this framing of it reflect those priorities or do we need to go to

[1:47:18] Trustee Harris (probable): the community first to find out what the goals of this OCP LED update project should be and I get

[1:47:26] Trustee Harris (probable): the sense that this LCC is probably fairly confident in what it's hoping to achieve but

[1:47:30] Trustee Harris (probable): Rob, do you mind clicking through to the next slide for me? So question for you then, does the goal of

[1:47:39] Trustee Harris (probable): increasing housing auctions and housing equity and couching this goal within the context of

[1:47:43] Trustee Harris (probable): indigenous reconciliation ecosystem integrity and climate change resiliency capture the ltc's

[1:47:48] Trustee Harris (probable): intentions for this project if not what does it miss and how can the project goals that are set

[1:47:54] Trustee Harris (probable): out in the graph terms of reference be amended and you know you don't have to answer this specific

[1:47:59] Trustee Harris (probable): question but that's generally what i'm fishing for here it's just confirmation of the ltc's always

[1:48:05] Trustee Harris (probable): it's it's not so trustees would like to respond to that question well of course i think we need to

[1:48:17] Trustee Harris (probable): increase the house yes

[1:48:26] Voice 3: um i think it's slight framing and i and um and that was fine i think

[1:48:36] Voice 3: to me we're not looking for housing solutions that hurt the environment we're looking or housing

[1:48:44] Voice 3: housing solutions that set our relationships with first nations backwards or, you know,

[1:48:50] Voice 3: or destroy the, you know, so it's, we're trying to find the best of the best. We're trying

[1:48:56] Voice 3: to find out of how to expand our housing options and for a diverse community with that. It's

[1:49:10] Voice 3: it's like it's not a context it's they're just linked and it's it's it's one issue that's how

[1:49:16] Voice 3: i see it i didn't see it it's not an either or it's we do our best at all of this it made me go

[1:49:22] Voice 3: out you probably remember it's like one of the first things i

[1:49:26] Voice 3: have a picture drawer i i draw

[1:49:29] Voice 3: pictures you probably remember way back the first like month i've been elected

[1:49:33] Trustee Harris (probable): are those the buckets

[1:49:39] Voice 3: You know,

[1:49:41] Voice 3: the First Nations, climate change, inclusion, equity and diversity were lenses

[1:49:48] Voice 3: that we apply to all of our work, that it's not an either or, and that's how I put in

[1:49:54] Voice 3: the canopy of the tree, or trunks of the tree, with the three divisions of the cross-policy

[1:49:59] Voice 3: OCC. And the links were our OCP and all of those things.

[1:50:06] Trustee Harris (probable): So that's, like I said, to me

[1:50:09] Trustee Harris (probable): it's just, it's linked.

[1:50:12] Trustee Harris (probable): Some of this, I see, will have to be isolated. We need housing for our workforce to enable

[1:50:20] Trustee Harris (probable): our community to survive. And we're going to have to disturb some ecosystems to do that.

[1:50:25] Trustee Harris (probable): There's no way we're going to have to break something down, knock some trees down or whatever

[1:50:30] Trustee Harris (probable): it is so how do you do it the least amount of disturbance i get that but we need workforce

[1:50:40] Trustee Harris (probable): housing for our community to survive when i'm talking about high density market housing

[1:50:45] Trustee Harris (probable): and the jurisdictions such as stepheno and whistler this is something broken recommend

[1:50:49] Trustee Harris (probable): this but in california have used ownership housing type of models controlled by housing

[1:50:57] Trustee Harris (probable): a housing authority, but we do have the power to create zoning that would allow these types

[1:51:07] Trustee Harris (probable): of projects to initiate in the form of building strata and projects that are covenanted.

[1:51:16] Trustee Harris (probable): So we could put zoning that is covenanted for these types of projects.

[1:51:21] Trustee Harris (probable): So we're not creating high density market housing.

[1:51:25] Trustee Harris (probable): this is strictly for being done on jurisdictions wouldn't be reinventing i've suggested this

[1:51:31] Trustee Harris (probable): time and time again for both that we can move in that direction so i actually have a question

[1:51:42] Trustee Harris (probable): um and i'm looking at the specific question the language is used there

[1:51:51] Trustee Harris (probable): i can understand couching ecosystem integrity and climate change facility i think that's what

[1:51:59] Trustee Harris (probable): trustee harris is saying here is that um we need housing uh

[1:52:03] Voice 5: we're not going to destroy

[1:52:04] Voice 5: the environment but we're going to need to knock down some trees and so

[1:52:07] Trustee Harris (probable): development and so the

[1:52:10] Trustee Harris (probable): retaining ecosystem integrity is fundamental to the work we do and that's what i think we all

[1:52:15] Trustee Harris (probable): agree

[1:52:15] Voice 5: on it's a given and so understand that what i'm curious about is couching this goal

[1:52:23] Voice 5: within the context of indigenous reconciliation

[1:52:25] Trustee Harris (probable): because of course housing is critical to

[1:52:29] Trustee Harris (probable): indigenous people and indigenous people don't want to move back to salt rain certainly is yeah if we

[1:52:35] Trustee Harris (probable): look at the south comprehensive community plan we can say

[1:52:38] Voice 6: they can see that they have in their area

[1:52:42] Voice 6: 200 almost 200 acres of land slated for high density market houses and we're not at the

[1:52:49] Voice 6: market housing we just want

[1:52:50] Trustee Harris (probable): housing that are going to

[1:52:51] Voice 6: survive and oddly enough the amount of housing

[1:52:55] Voice 6: that will be on those that 200 acres once that is finalized it'll

[1:52:59] Trustee Harris (probable): take years but that's around

[1:53:00] Trustee Harris (probable): the number

[1:53:00] Trustee Harris (probable): of units we're going to need here on salt spring i also find it interesting that and

[1:53:07] Trustee Harris (probable): so so cp they mentioned uh future development of roads and infrastructure and they talk about the

[1:53:16] Trustee Harris (probable): forward uh reservation um so you know i think that if we were to speak to them um from after

[1:53:24] Trustee Harris (probable): looking at their comprehensive community plan they would be i think they would be from after

[1:53:34] Trustee Harris (probable): looking at their plan they would be receptive to what the kind of things would be because we're

[1:53:38] Trustee Harris (probable): not looking for any high density commercial market housing just housing for workforce

[1:53:45] Trustee Harris (probable): was there to survive. So, and then we also

[1:53:57] Voice 6: had local First Nations who have made it clear,

[1:54:00] Voice 6: they've spoken loudly,

[1:54:02] Trustee Harris (probable): the ones that have come out, and the ones that supported me to a large

[1:54:08] Trustee Harris (probable): degree, running for this position of the Amherst Trust, they're in favor of workhorse housing

[1:54:17] Trustee Harris (probable): and some kind of development so i think that that is already it's a given that we're going to be

[1:54:26] Trustee Harris (probable): dealing with first nations and within the context of reconciliation so jason can you frame what

[1:54:38] Trustee Harris (probable): you're thinking there couching this in the context of the interest but i want to say that clearly

[1:54:44] Trustee Harris (probable): Clearly, Indigenous people could, should, are part of the workforce, right?

[1:54:54] Trustee Harris (probable): And so it all goes hand in hand.

[1:54:56] Trustee Harris (probable): But I just want to know, because ultimately you're going to do the work.

[1:55:00] Trustee Harris (probable): This is a general reference that's going to guide you.

[1:55:02] Trustee Harris (probable): How do you see that?

[1:55:05] Trustee Harris (probable): Sure.

[1:55:05] Trustee Harris (probable): Thanks, Chair.

[1:55:07] Trustee Harris (probable): I guess what I'm thinking about here is, in the main, a priority or a process question.

[1:55:20] Trustee Harris (probable): process issue, which is to say that if we're going to be amending the OCP, we are invariably

[1:55:26] Trustee Harris (probable): going to be engaging with the nations that are treating the territory as a trustee.

[1:55:31] Trustee Harris (probable): And in doing so, the ideal outcome, I think, is that we are in some way through this project

[1:55:38] Trustee Harris (probable): advancing their interests on the island. So if in pursuit of increasing housing options and

[1:55:45] Trustee Harris (probable): housing equity there are ways that we can advance some of their expressed interests hopefully around

[1:55:51] Trustee Harris (probable): the issue of housing options and housing equity but if not that then perhaps you'll have other

[1:55:56] Trustee Harris (probable): issues such as cultural site protection so at the very least advancing their issues um no at the

[1:56:03] Trustee Harris (probable): best advancing their issues at the very least ensuring that we are not acting in ways that

[1:56:08] Trustee Harris (probable): is contrary to their interests.

[1:56:12] Trustee Harris (probable): I think that's how I would describe that.

[1:56:17] Trustee Harris (probable): Are there any other

[1:56:19] Trustee Harris (probable): thoughts or questions

[1:56:20] Trustee Harris (probable): for the opinion on this?

[1:56:22] Trustee Harris (probable): Obviously, the first question, and then probably the last one.

[1:56:24] Trustee Harris (probable): There's a few.

[1:56:26] Trustee Harris (probable): Do you have stuff to?

[1:56:28] Trustee Harris (probable): Oh, yeah.

[1:56:28] Trustee Harris (probable): Well, I guess what I would be maybe looking for

[1:56:30] Trustee Harris (probable): is do we need to make any changes to the law

[1:56:33] Trustee Harris (probable): as it's framed in the terms of reference itself?

[1:56:37] Trustee Harris (probable): i've heard trustee patrick say that perhaps it's not that housing is the priority and

[1:56:46] Trustee Harris (probable): these other three sort of other issues are lesser than but rather that it's all intertwined and i

[1:56:53] Trustee Harris (probable): guess i don't i don't have a clear solution to how to re rephrase or reframe that goal

[1:57:00] Trustee Harris (probable): all so that that's accurately expressed

[1:57:05] Voice 3: housing is our

[1:57:09] Trustee Harris (probable): is our driver you know so it's at least

[1:57:13] Trustee Harris (probable): on the same page but it's like the as we get into the solutions it's where we're not going to build

[1:57:20] Trustee Harris (probable): housing down you know where ocean sea level rise is going to knock it out you know so the two

[1:57:25] Trustee Harris (probable): have to be worked together well yeah i would say that we are we can do this

[1:57:33] Trustee Harris (probable): zoning that's what we can we're supporting them we are we're not doing right we can do the zone

[1:57:42] Trustee Harris (probable): and

[1:57:43] Voice 6: that we ought to do that yeah

[1:57:45] Trustee Harris (probable): and

[1:57:47] Voice 6: then we will

[1:57:47] Trustee Harris (probable): need to amend you know this i i understand

[1:57:50] Trustee Harris (probable): that's the need for this i don't understand the need for this large project but i do think we need

[1:57:56] Trustee Harris (probable): able to housing section first and foremost and do this in stages and hit the housing

[1:58:06] Trustee Harris (probable): section first and do it quickly i

[1:58:16] Voice 10: could maybe just offer some support here um i think it's

[1:58:21] Voice 10: important to keep the question that jason's asking right now around goals these are the

[1:58:26] Voice 10: overall project purpose and what they do really is put guardrails on what what will

[1:58:32] Trustee Harris (probable): engage like

[1:58:34] Trustee Harris (probable): like what we are going to consider the policy of.

[1:58:36] Trustee Harris (probable): It's not the kitchen sink, it's not,

[1:58:39] Voice 10: you know,

[1:58:41] Voice 10: it's, there's many topics that can go

[1:58:43] Voice 10: into the fish security plan

[1:58:44] Voice 10: that are in the official community plan.

[1:58:48] Voice 10: So Jason, I think it's really,

[1:58:50] Voice 10: these are kind of the big pressing issues.

[1:58:52] Voice 10: Housing is probably the problem statement

[1:58:56] Voice 10: for this policy project.

[1:58:57] Voice 10: Like it's the reason we need to do policy improvements

[1:59:01] Voice 10: to this OCP, which is structured pretty good.

[1:59:06] Voice 10: So these are the areas where there are gaps

[1:59:08] Voice 10: that we need to do in order to address that solution.

[1:59:13] Voice 10: And housing is certainly a large part of that.

[1:59:18] Voice 10: What section of the OCP we spend time on is,

[1:59:23] Voice 10: it's incredible that the bulk of the OCP is adapted

[1:59:26] active, actually playing quickly and under best practices to deliver

[1:59:31] Voice 10: the solutions, but

[1:59:33] Voice 10: it's all driven by how we've engaged the community on broad goals and how we've communicated

[1:59:40] Voice 10: that these are the topics that we're talking about rather than any number of other topics.

[1:59:46] Voice 10: And I will say that this is, especially for the clients I've talked to before, a lot of

[1:59:52] Voice 10: public engagement, a lot of conversation, and that generally leads to a lot of passion

[1:59:57] Voice 10: in the communities and you're going to get a lot of that.

[2:00:00] Voice 10: process and i think having an understanding of how how much we're going to talk about um gives

[2:00:08] Voice 10: us an ability to move through the project in the time and budget that we're trying to achieve so

[2:00:13] Voice 10: that's i think that's kind of where this we're definitely going to talk a lot more about what

[2:00:18] Voice 10: the specific policies are and what the areas are uh i'm really hopeful that i think as we go through

[2:00:23] Voice 10: it indicate outwardly on this people will see that this

[2:00:27] Voice 10: this is not that

[2:00:28] Trustee Harris (probable): badly written let's

[2:00:29] Trustee Harris (probable): move it up and find the area it happens quickly you know the public engagement process happened

[2:00:36] Trustee Harris (probable): at the last election it was loud and clear we needed housing that's what we spoke about

[2:00:44] Trustee Harris (probable): trustee bradford spoke passionately about it at the arts room hitting the ground running clearly

[2:00:49] Trustee Harris (probable): we haven't hit the ground running we're stalled and maybe rolling backwards down the hill as far

[2:00:54] as I can see. So the housing

[2:00:59] Trustee Harris (probable): section is, that's a goal. Let's hit the housing section.

[2:01:03] Trustee Harris (probable): Get on with it. Let's get some zoning. And it could be covenanted for workforce ownership.

[2:01:10] Trustee Harris (probable): You don't have to create a density for free market housing. We all agree on that.

[2:01:16] Trustee Harris (probable): Let's create something that will allow for workforce ownership projects to initiate.

[2:01:31] Trustee Harris (probable): It doesn't

[2:01:32] Voice 5: sound to me like what

[2:01:33] Trustee Harris (probable): you've got there in the question, there's any real major

[2:01:36] Trustee Harris (probable): disagreement.

[2:01:37] Trustee Harris (probable): There's certainly various aspects to it, so I think you answered that.

[2:01:41] Trustee Harris (probable): I would just say that with respect to, for want of a better term, fast or slow, full

[2:01:46] Trustee Harris (probable): or partial updates or questions, and ideally, as Trustee Harris has said, is we keep this

[2:01:52] Trustee Harris (probable): budget moving, and it's going uphill. In fact, we're doing all the groundwork. It's like

[2:01:56] Trustee Harris (probable): putting gas in your car to go on a long trip, to where gas in the car is going to take off

[2:02:01] Trustee Harris (probable): the trip. But the tendrils of this permeate throughout the entire community, obviously.

[2:02:09] Trustee Harris (probable): So we need to be sure that those tendrils are being nurtured in water in order to support

[2:02:16] Trustee Harris (probable): the broader flow of increasing housing and housing equity. That's the message.

[2:02:23] Trustee Harris (probable): So yeah, that's, I mean, that is, that is the entry point into the project.

[2:02:28] Trustee Harris (probable): Yes, we're going to look at, well, actually, Rob, can you advance to the next slide?

[2:02:32] Trustee Harris (probable): So that's my way of saying let's get to the next slide.

[2:02:34] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah, perfect.

[2:02:37] Voice 9: Oh, I'm out of my screen.

[2:02:46] Trustee Harris (probable): We lost part of it in the monitor.

[2:02:48] Trustee Harris (probable): So this, the scope of the project, sort of the extent to which we are going to open this process is kind of reflected here a little bit.

[2:02:58] Trustee Harris (probable): um particularly item b i think is important to some of the issues that the trustees have raised

[2:03:04] Trustee Harris (probable): so far which is that we want to update streamline and build on the content of the existing ocp

[2:03:09] Trustee Harris (probable): we are not proposing throwing the previous ocp out and starting afresh and building a whole

[2:03:16] Trustee Harris (probable): new document rather we're going to as i think our trustee has indicated look at what we've got

[2:03:22] Trustee Harris (probable): and the specific sections that or aspects of that document that need to be updated or changed

[2:03:28] Trustee Harris (probable): in order to achieve the ltc's goal housing options and housing equity um i you know i'd like to hear

[2:03:41] Trustee Harris (probable): the ltc's thoughts on this like a number of different community groups have come together

[2:03:46] Trustee Harris (probable): over the last few years one of them has to be ltc that housing housing action program task force

[2:03:53] Trustee Harris (probable): I believe is the term used.

[2:03:57] Trustee Harris (probable): And then additionally, Salt Spring Solutions

[2:03:59] Trustee Harris (probable): also wrote a report called Homes for Islanders.

[2:04:03] Trustee Harris (probable): And it strikes me that these reports

[2:04:06] Trustee Harris (probable): are probably a pretty good way to examine the existing OCP

[2:04:10] Trustee Harris (probable): is using the recommendations of these reports

[2:04:13] Trustee Harris (probable): that have already been written.

[2:04:14] Trustee Harris (probable): And my thinking around this is that

[2:04:16] Trustee Harris (probable): if we were to engage the community

[2:04:19] Trustee Harris (probable): in a conversation about housing,

[2:04:21] Trustee Harris (probable): many of the people who were involved

[2:04:23] Trustee Harris (probable): in the Housing Action Program Task Force

[2:04:25] Trustee Harris (probable): and in salt spring solutions are the folks that will come to the table for that discussion and

[2:04:30] Trustee Harris (probable): so a lot of ways much of the work has been done by members of the community

[2:04:34] Voice 7: and

[2:04:35] Trustee Harris (probable): recommendations

[2:04:36] Trustee Harris (probable): arrived at i feel almost that it's kind of a matter of what will trust me to be able to take

[2:04:42] Trustee Harris (probable): that ball that has already been handled by these community groups and just sort of run it down the

[2:04:49] Trustee Harris (probable): field a little bit by making changes that that appear to have been recommended now staff have not

[2:04:55] Trustee Harris (probable): looked at these reports with a great deal of analytical detail but i

[2:04:59] Trustee Harris (probable): know that these are committed and um interested members of the community who've given a lot of

[2:05:06] Trustee Harris (probable): law to particular issues themselves and so i hope there's an opportunity to use some of the

[2:05:11] Trustee Harris (probable): groundwork that's already been laid as we begin to to look into the absentee um so anyways there's

[2:05:18] Trustee Harris (probable): no particular question for you to see here other than this is kind of the scope that we concur with

[2:05:25] Trustee Harris (probable): that friend yeah yeah just each well part of it confuses me you know i'll speak strongly we need

[2:05:37] Trustee Harris (probable): to amend the household section of the ocp this comes afterwards i don't know um but that's what

[2:05:44] Trustee Harris (probable): needs to be done and we need to create zones that will allow force ownership housing projects to

[2:05:51] Trustee Harris (probable): initiate very very simple i don't see it as such a complicated bill you know we could we could have

[2:05:58] Trustee Harris (probable): had this done, it would have been done. We could have had the zoning done. The housing section portion of the OCP could have been amended already. Bylaw 530 could have been passed. We could have spoken about it.

[2:06:11] Trustee Harris (probable): So I'm very confused. So I don't agree, because I don't understand.

[2:06:18] Trustee Harris (probable): So sometimes I can be frank. I'm just going to say that we can't dwell on could have, should have, would have.

[2:06:27] Because this is where we're at.

[2:06:29] So that's how we need to move forward.

[2:06:31] Absolutely.

[2:06:31] Let's make the decisions together.

[2:06:37] Trustee Harris (probable): Trustee Patrick, why don't you go ahead.

[2:06:42] Voice 3: Yeah, I should be looking at my notes

[2:06:46] Voice 3: when we talk about goals and things as well.

[2:06:50] Voice 3: One of the goals that's related

[2:06:52] Voice 3: is building confidence in the process

[2:06:56] Voice 3: that we're going to go through.

[2:06:57] Voice 3: And I think that's what this is talking about is we need, this is the community plan and we need to have that confidence in the community and the process that's going to get us there.

[2:07:21] Voice 3: the opportunity we have is that this is we have an opportunity to do this process right and to

[2:07:29] Voice 3: make sure that the true community is reflected in it that that maybe there has been bad habits

[2:07:37] Voice 3: in the past where things were created by only listening to folks that showed up and we know

[2:07:44] Voice 3: that you know that's not representative of those who live here um i think you know there's some

[2:07:51] Voice 3: there's some power here and we look at one of your other questions you have and you're getting back

[2:07:56] Voice 3: to that that's the goals or the vision and the objectives of this document you read the goals

[2:08:03] Voice 3: and the objectives of the document and generally they're pretty good that's not what we've got

[2:08:10] Voice 3: so you know in 2008 there was a vision that we were going to have a healthy community i mean

[2:08:16] Voice 3: we're going to have housing for this diverse eclectic group of people that call this home

[2:08:21] Voice 3: I mean, they have an exceptional value in the diverse human population,

[2:08:27] Voice 3: words of that nature in the objectives. But yet we waved goodbye to them as they all left

[2:08:35] Voice 3: on the ferry because they can't live here anymore. You know, so we didn't achieve this.

[2:08:43] Voice 3: And I think those are the questions people have to come to terms with. That was our vision.

[2:08:50] Voice 3: vision. That is our vision. How can we not save this diversity? So something's wrong

[2:09:06] Voice 3: with the other quality of work. We're going to be on a bit of a where, what went wrong,

[2:09:10] Voice 3: what needs to be fixed so that we can actually achieve this vision.

[2:09:16] Voice 3: so

[2:09:21] Voice 6: you speak about doing doing things right so for the community well that's not what we've been

[2:09:27] Voice 6: doing thus far and

[2:09:28] Trustee Harris (probable): i know you just stated and chair here's a chair welcome that we can't think

[2:09:34] Trustee Harris (probable): of more people the past but clearly the past keeps coming up and i hear talk of you know

[2:09:39] Trustee Harris (probable): talk coming from trustee pratt we need to do something it's like well we could have done

[2:09:45] Trustee Harris (probable): on something we haven't today we had somebody a lawyer for jeannie murray

[2:09:50] Voice 6: who is descended from

[2:09:52] Voice 6: arthur spaulding from pender island like the family's been here for generations lilia spaulding

[2:09:57] Voice 6: was a trail and made in her name or a park and on pender and the great great granddaughter of

[2:10:03] Voice 6: these people can't afford to live here and she's leaving the community so we're the community we

[2:10:10] Voice 6: won't have a community if we take two years to get anything happening we need to amend the

[2:10:16] Voice 6: housing's portion of the ocp as soon as humanly possible pass bylaw 530 under the new number

[2:10:26] Voice 6: and then create zoning that will let workforce ownership housing initiate that is covenanted

[2:10:33] Voice 6: for them i don't see any other plan that's going to look any quicker if there is a quicker plan

[2:10:38] Voice 6: plan then my ears are open but we will not have a community if we

[2:10:44] Trustee Harris (probable): take this you know this big

[2:10:47] Trustee Harris (probable): project to its uh you know how long it's going to take you mentioned you want to do it right well

[2:10:52] Trustee Harris (probable): that's the last about the OTT project of two years sorry we're almost two years into this term so I

[2:11:00] Voice 6: just would urge you know I plead that we can have some sort of agreement or just not some sort of

[2:11:07] Voice 6: in agreement on that we need to amend the housing portion of the ocp right now and

[2:11:13] Trustee Harris (probable): put the other

[2:11:13] Trustee Harris (probable): stuff off amend that obviously where it can be i guess i can make some kind of a motion

[2:11:25] Trustee Harris (probable): yeah you know um what i just heard in the two most recent pieces offered for us to hear

[2:11:35] Trustee Harris (probable): here is we have a vision that has a vision of a community at that point in time that

[2:11:45] Voice 5: we

[2:11:45] Trustee Harris (probable): quite likely could continue to embrace. We have the vision. We're not talking about

[2:11:50] Trustee Harris (probable): necessarily changing that. If we could agree that it's more or less that vision that we're

[2:11:54] Trustee Harris (probable): at, then I think that we,

[2:11:56] Voice 5: in response to your question about getting this done, we can do

[2:12:01] Voice 5: do this. And that's what we're

[2:12:03] Trustee Harris (probable): doing now. And the sooner we get on with the doing it now,

[2:12:07] Trustee Harris (probable): the better. And looking at what we've seen so far from Jason on the screen and in the report,

[2:12:12] we are talking about housing. We are talking about update and streamline and build on the

[2:12:19] context

[2:12:19] Trustee Harris (probable): of the existing OCP. So we're not going to start from the beginning. We're updating OCP

[2:12:25] Trustee Harris (probable): on housing and we're going to do that by using existing information reports and plans

[2:12:32] Trustee Harris (probable): the housing toolkit development permit areas which is fundamental to uh

[2:12:39] Trustee Harris (probable): development um and creating new development permanent areas in order to protect those

[2:12:44] Trustee Harris (probable): topics that we saw earlier i just i disagree with you i think that should be scratched up well

[2:12:53] Trustee Harris (probable): Well, that's fine. We can have a difference of opinion.

[2:12:56] Trustee Harris (probable): However, we need to work respectfully.

[2:12:59] Voice 6: We're already protected here.

[2:13:01] Voice 6: We're overprotected.

[2:13:02] Trustee Harris (probable): The mandate hasn't been followed as legal opinions have stated,

[2:13:06] Trustee Harris (probable): and there clearly hasn't been a balanced approach taken

[2:13:10] Trustee Harris (probable): in protecting the environment and its unique benefits,

[2:13:13] Trustee Harris (probable): which we now know can include the housing community.

[2:13:15] Trustee Harris (probable): So we can also take a heavier approach on one side or the other

[2:13:20] Trustee Harris (probable): if there is reason for it.

[2:13:21] Trustee Harris (probable): and right now we see the reason for housing the community is dying people are leaving and last

[2:13:28] Trustee Harris (probable): year and a year ago i heard from my fellow first deal a couple more months isn't going to hurt

[2:13:33] Trustee Harris (probable): so getting back to five five thirty as well it's a year it's gone past so pardon my skepticism

[2:13:42] Trustee Harris (probable): it's fine i think you know if they don't mind um i think that the opportunity for you to voice

[2:13:49] Trustee Harris (probable): where we are exceeding what you think is the necessity for protection

[2:13:57] Trustee Harris (probable): when we're developing this work, then let's have that conversation then.

[2:14:01] Trustee Harris (probable): But at the moment, we're not talking about exceeding the protections.

[2:14:08] Trustee Harris (probable): We're talking about respecting the – I forget the language in the first slide now.

[2:14:15] Voice 6: Well, I understand what I see, and you asked

[2:14:17] Trustee Harris (probable): what we think about this.

[2:14:19] Trustee Harris (probable): would be agreed by the people i know i don't like to keep scratch on the screen right except that

[2:14:27] Trustee Harris (probable): there are

[2:14:27] Trustee Harris (probable): development parent areas that were restricting the ability to do development and

[2:14:33] Trustee Harris (probable): there certainly are uh considerations that should be taken in to ensure well if somebody wants to

[2:14:38] Trustee Harris (probable): defend in a development department area there is an application yeah so what i see there because

[2:14:45] Trustee Harris (probable): Because I hear, you know, I won't be able to.

[2:14:49] Trustee Harris (probable): So let's just say that, and I don't know that this is necessarily in any order,

[2:14:53] Trustee Harris (probable): although it sort of has a bit of order to it.

[2:14:56] Trustee Harris (probable): Updating an existing development permit area is maybe lower on the list than the higher end.

[2:15:01] Trustee Harris (probable): So I think that that's fair.

[2:15:03] Trustee Harris (probable): And what you're saying, I recognize what you're saying.

[2:15:06] Voice 6: So what I see, when I see updating existing development permit areas,

[2:15:10] Voice 6: that equates to me as, let's

[2:15:12] Trustee Harris (probable): make it more difficult for something to happen.

[2:15:13] Trustee Harris (probable): But when I see new developmental permit areas, I see, well, let's make it impossible for someone to do something here.

[2:15:19] Trustee Harris (probable): I don't. Well, that's what I say. Well, that's what that's what we've had in the Islands Trust for years.

[2:15:26] Voice 6: Or, you know, restriction being put on people being people are we're making it difficult right now for people to utilize their existing zone happens

[2:15:36] Trustee Harris (probable): all the time.

[2:15:37] Trustee Harris (probable): so well i think we'll keep that conversation alive as we go through this

[2:15:43] Trustee Harris (probable): but let's work towards getting this done yes do you have anything further to want to do

[2:15:51] Voice 11: i mean

[2:15:54] Voice 3: there's

[2:15:58] Voice 3: there's a lot i mean there's this is it's a big thing

[2:16:01] Voice 3: each of them have a million decisions in each of them so

[2:16:04] Voice 3: So we're not, can't take it off the table at this point

[2:16:12] Voice 3: as we go through to the conversations,

[2:16:14] Voice 3: what's going to come up and have the flexibility.

[2:16:18] Voice 3: There are existing development permit areas

[2:16:21] Voice 3: that are out of date, housing harm too.

[2:16:23] Voice 3: So it is both ways.

[2:16:28] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah.

[2:16:30] Trustee Harris (probable): I think what we need to do here, right,

[2:16:32] Trustee Harris (probable): this kind of conversation is really about

[2:16:35] Trustee Harris (probable): get these what we're thinking of so that the staff can hear it and as they're working through this

[2:16:42] Trustee Harris (probable): balance that actually

[2:16:44] Voice 5: i've used the word balance now because what we've had you know it's not news

[2:16:48] Voice 5: to me and i've said this lots of time on the opinion on the section 13 that said we need to

[2:16:53] Voice 5: balance environment against community that's always how it's been

[2:16:56] Trustee Harris (probable): and we will continue to do

[2:16:58] Trustee Harris (probable): that and if there has been any over leverage of the of the environmental protection that's

[2:17:04] Trustee Harris (probable): is good reason to update a development from the design so well

[2:17:08] Voice 6: if we're talking about getting

[2:17:09] Voice 6: rid of bpa4 where ditches were coming into riparian areas where the highways of the yard

[2:17:14] Voice 6: highways are allowed to scour the ditch to nothing but you aren't allowed to build within 30 meters

[2:17:19] Voice 6: of whatever the distance is like then yeah great let's do that um let's get rid of some of these

[2:17:25] Voice 6: repairs that aren't the riparian areas so yeah bring it on that's a that's

[2:17:30] Voice 5: a great i'll come

[2:17:31] Voice 5: That's a great example, actually, because that was downloaded on us to develop the riparian areas, not the work of the Amherst Trust.

[2:17:39] Voice 5: We fought it tooth and nail.

[2:17:41] Voice 5: Almost every single local trust committee fought that work,

[2:17:45] Trustee Harris (probable): every inch of creek and culvert along the way.

[2:17:49] Trustee Harris (probable): So totally

[2:17:51] Voice 5: with you on that.

[2:17:52] Voice 5: But I'd say let's keep going here so that we can get to the goal, which is to amend the housing options in the OCP.

[2:18:02] Voice 5: I just

[2:18:03] Voice 10: wanted to echo that. I think Dr. Harris makes a good point that, you know, the frustration that historically, or I don't know if it's intentional or simply as a result of where we ended up,

[2:18:17] Voice 10: the very aging bylaws that haven't had significant attention that we have, but our DPAs, our land use bylaw, we spend time in staff meetings trying to work through the location.

[2:18:31] Voice 10: It's not well worded. There's definitely been, in the 16 years this OCP has been in place,

[2:18:39] Voice 10: we can point to various examples across the province where there are better versions of

[2:18:43] Voice 10: DPAs. I don't think that we're trying to make it more difficult. In fact, we wouldn't be

[2:18:49] Voice 10: doing a good job if we were making it more difficult to obtain a permit. We need to provide

[2:18:54] Voice 10: that information as clearly as possible and make it as up-to-date as possible so people

[2:18:58] Voice 10: understand what is and is not possible. And ultimately, I will say that the intent of the

[2:19:04] Voice 10: DPA is not to take control away from the LTC. Ultimately, whatever gets adopted here comes back

[2:19:12] Voice 10: to this table for consideration. It needs to pass the test of acceptance here. And I think that,

[2:19:20] Voice 10: that that's like whether or not a VA or any other applicant

[2:19:26] Voice 10: with bylaws is more or less restrictive,

[2:19:28] Voice 10: it certainly limits the need for a body of engagement

[2:19:32] Voice 10: with a community that's responding to it

[2:19:35] Voice 10: and going to be working at implementing it over time.

[2:19:39] Voice 10: So I think that it's a point well taken

[2:19:42] Voice 10: that these policy processes should not serve

[2:19:46] Voice 10: to make anything more complicated for citizens

[2:19:49] Voice 10: there anybody interacting with these bylaws that's a big part of why we're here uh and why you know

[2:19:57] Voice 10: where where contractors and developers

[2:20:00] Trustee Harris (probable): express frustration and where any number of people express

[2:20:03] Trustee Harris (probable): frustration about the way our policies were written there they didn't get the call to

[2:20:08] Trustee Harris (probable): understand it but i

[2:20:08] Voice 10: said it was impressive but i think that that's a well-paid but not doing it

[2:20:16] Voice 10: not addressing it is

[2:20:17] Voice 10: isn't going to be useful.

[2:20:19] Voice 10: The alternative is ignoring

[2:20:22] Voice 10: it.

[2:20:23] Trustee Harris (probable): It's a bad

[2:20:25] Trustee Harris (probable): choice, I guess.

[2:20:27] Trustee Harris (probable): So let's hold this space

[2:20:29] Trustee Harris (probable): around here and go

[2:20:30] Trustee Harris (probable): through and see how this all

[2:20:32] Trustee Harris (probable): goes.

[2:20:33] Trustee Harris (probable): And in the years that

[2:20:34] Trustee Harris (probable): Chris said earlier, what

[2:20:36] Trustee Harris (probable): Rachel Panikander said there,

[2:20:37] Trustee Harris (probable): that there will be touch

[2:20:38] Trustee Harris (probable): points throughout.

[2:20:39] Trustee Harris (probable): And I'm hearing

[2:20:40] Trustee Harris (probable): a lot of the

[2:20:42] Trustee Harris (probable): trustee Harris that

[2:20:45] Trustee Harris (probable): diving into the House

[2:20:46] Trustee Harris (probable): of stuff is the priority. And if there's an opportunity to examine the existing DPAs or

[2:20:53] Trustee Harris (probable): consider whether any of these are required, we can come to that in the course of the process.

[2:20:59] Trustee Harris (probable): Let's get to a place of understanding and

[2:21:02] Voice 4: then we

[2:21:02] Trustee Harris (probable): can go forward with concrete.

[2:21:04] Trustee Harris (probable): I

[2:21:04] Voice 9: think I heard that somewhere.

[2:21:07] Trustee Harris (probable): Rob, could you move a slide forward?

[2:21:16] Trustee Harris (probable): The reference that's been provided to you gives sort of a sampling of how one can go

[2:21:23] Trustee Harris (probable): to the community around some of these questions.

[2:21:27] Trustee Harris (probable): One of the important issues outstanding I think is the matter of what sort of advisory

[2:21:34] Trustee Harris (probable): advisory body, if any, this LTC would want in order to provide what we call like a community

[2:21:42] Trustee Harris (probable): filter for some of the issues that are going to come up as we embark on this process.

[2:21:48] Trustee Harris (probable): And the way I figure it, this body will have to be an advisory planning commission of the

[2:21:53] Trustee Harris (probable): local trust committee.

[2:21:55] Trustee Harris (probable): The local trust committee currently has three existing advisory planning commissions.

[2:21:59] Trustee Harris (probable): We've got an advisory planning commission.

[2:22:01] Trustee Harris (probable): We've got an agricultural advisory planning commission.

[2:22:04] Trustee Harris (probable): by a housing action program task force. Any of these bodies theoretically could be

[2:22:13] Trustee Harris (probable): tasked with taking on providing advice around this OCPLE BMN project. Conversely, if

[2:22:21] Trustee Harris (probable): the membership of these existing planning commissions leads to be refreshed in some way

[2:22:29] Trustee Harris (probable): for the purposes of being used to play a lead role in providing advice to the LTC around this

[2:22:35] Trustee Harris (probable): project then memberships can be terminated and appointments made accordingly if the LTC so

[2:22:41] Trustee Harris (probable): or there is the option of creating a new uh advisory model a separate special advisory

[2:22:48] Trustee Harris (probable): plan mission specifically for this ocp lep project or there is also the option of not

[2:22:54] Trustee Harris (probable): having an advisory body through which to run some of the information that's going to push

[2:23:00] Trustee Harris (probable): through this process. So there's a point

[2:23:03] Voice 6: of conversation for

[2:23:04] Trustee Harris (probable): this local trust.

[2:23:06] Trustee Harris (probable): Great

[2:23:09] Voice 9: question. What do you think, Justine?

[2:23:14] Voice 3: I'm leaning toward a new special agency or project-based agency. And I think the benefit

[2:23:23] Voice 3: for us would be to sort of talk about the kinds of people that should be on it. Not

[2:23:28] Voice 3: not the who, but the

[2:23:29] Voice 3: names. What kind of representative body does that look like?

[2:23:34] Voice 3: And I think it's good to have that body working very closely with the consulting team

[2:23:40] Voice 3: as this goes forward. And it needs to be one that they're, by having the equity-based public

[2:23:56] Voice 3: of engagement you have to recognize there may be some voices that you can't get that so we've got

[2:24:01] Voice 3: into our work you know we want it to be as representative as possible what we want represented

[2:24:09] Voice 3: um but recognize there could be voices that just can't you know how to still make sure

[2:24:23] Voice 9: i'm more on the d d

[2:24:27] Trustee Harris (probable): yeah i don't think we need new committees pretty quickly

[2:24:34] Trustee Harris (probable): it's just east south

[2:24:42] Voice 9: so you

[2:24:50] Voice 5: know guys because i can't

[2:24:55] Trustee Harris (probable): i can't think that

[2:24:56] Trustee Harris (probable): and so what i would ask my question is what about an indigenous advisory commission where did you

[2:25:15] Trustee Harris (probable): get that voice from the 13 plus nations that have significant

[2:25:24] Trustee Harris (probable): well

[2:25:24] Voice 3: i i'm not saying that we look at the agenda where we have

[2:25:35] Trustee Harris (probable): what's the first

[2:25:36] Voice 3: first

[2:25:36] Trustee Harris (probable): phase of the project is um an indigenous relations approach and going from talking to

[2:25:43] Trustee Harris (probable): the nation's system how they want to be represented what that looks like

[2:25:46] Voice 3: so that there's a whole body

[2:25:49] Voice 3: of work in that piece which i i've got next to mine late

[2:25:53] Voice 2: uh

[2:25:55] Voice 3: we passed that one in march

[2:25:57] Voice 3: a year ago uh suggested we go out and retain staff the the items trust model of having one

[2:26:06] Voice 3: one poor employee responsible for working on our our relationships across 35 nations

[2:26:14] Voice 3: nations is inadequate for Salt Spring. Salt Spring alone is complicated.

[2:26:23] Trustee Harris (probable): I think we've made some leaps. We've recognized the Coast Salish people of Salt Spring Society

[2:26:29] Trustee Harris (probable): and their own staffs. They did make it possible to engage with them. These are people, there's

[2:26:38] Trustee Harris (probable): First Nations and Salisbury Islands families have never left yet, and it's been a thousand years.

[2:26:45] Trustee Harris (probable): We do reach out to First Nations on a regular basis. We sometimes get replies back,

[2:26:53] Trustee Harris (probable): and quite often we don't. There are, right now, we're dealing with a fellow,

[2:26:59] Trustee Harris (probable): and so with First Nations that are engaged and showing great interest,

[2:27:08] Trustee Harris (probable): well clearly in the conversation that's a given but I don't think we're going to create something

[2:27:17] Trustee Harris (probable): new here I guess what I'm indicating by saying that indigenous advisory if it was going to be

[2:27:28] Trustee Harris (probable): somebody wouldn't shouldn't it be maybe some that are interested that are showing interest

[2:27:33] Trustee Harris (probable): and especially the local absolutely yeah whoever

[2:27:38] Trustee Harris (probable): that whoever the participants are

[2:27:39] Trustee Harris (probable): are. But if we don't acknowledge that necessity to seek from a body of individuals as opposed

[2:27:50] Trustee Harris (probable): to individuals, an advisory capacity, then there's no guarantee that we're going to do

[2:27:56] Trustee Harris (probable): it. Because we can say, oh, we're going to consult, we're going to do all this stuff.

[2:28:00] Trustee Harris (probable): But we actually need to, I think, have a more formal place that says, what if the 13 nations

[2:28:10] Trustee Harris (probable): say. And I think if they're not participating in the conversation, it's either because of

[2:28:15] Trustee Harris (probable): this. I'm not going to speak for the nation, but I think that we need to reach out in an

[2:28:22] Trustee Harris (probable): honest way, sincere way that the individuals want to engage with us. It's about not us

[2:28:37] Trustee Harris (probable): wanting to engage with them, but them wanting to engage with us. I really think it's a larger

[2:28:42] Trustee Harris (probable): It's a larger topic. I don't know how much we can weave that into this, but it's something

[2:28:54] Trustee Harris (probable): that definitely needs to be considered at the broader scope within the IMS Trust. Again,

[2:28:59] Trustee Harris (probable): we have local Indigenous here. We have recently a member of the Penelope tribe that has never

[2:29:09] Trustee Harris (probable): has been in Salisbury forever, has just been a member of the council, of the Manila Council.

[2:29:18] Trustee Harris (probable): So and we also have members of the Salisbury salespeople that belong to the Cowichan Trust.

[2:29:25] Trustee Harris (probable): And so on a broader scope of the restructuring of the Islands Trust, and we know these discussions

[2:29:30] Trustee Harris (probable): that will be had at Trust Council, but I don't want to get too far off.

[2:29:35] Trustee Harris (probable): one day it would be great to have

[2:29:37] Trustee Harris (probable): a indigenous person sitting in the chair

[2:29:39] Trustee Harris (probable): position

[2:29:43] Trustee Harris (probable): that's

[2:29:43] Trustee Harris (probable): maybe that's something

[2:29:45] Trustee Harris (probable): we're looking to structure

[2:29:48] Trustee Harris (probable): because it's difficult

[2:29:50] Trustee Harris (probable): you know

[2:29:53] but anyway

[2:29:55] Voice 6: so I just I don't know how

[2:29:57] Voice 6: that seems like a larger

[2:30:02] Trustee Harris (probable): You know, I see what we're dealing with here, and I'm one of the very speaking people in this larger space kind of on the periphery.

[2:30:09] Trustee Harris (probable): So I understand what you're saying, but the other thing that I've heard loud and clear over the last number of years is come to us first.

[2:30:17] Trustee Harris (probable): Talk to us first before you start grafting on food for ideas.

[2:30:22] Trustee Harris (probable): And so to me, we can't march off and do our ocean leads without that one.

[2:30:28] Trustee Harris (probable): i'm not saying that we are and indeed there's lots of good luck great i feel we could amend

[2:30:34] Trustee Harris (probable): the housing's portion of our of our start and reach out at the same time it's possible

[2:30:43] Trustee Harris (probable): you know it's very possible anyway let's move on i think we've had

[2:30:49] Trustee Harris (probable): uh

[2:30:49] Voice 3: well one of the with the province's recent turning down the documents saying

[2:31:00] Voice 3: I think that's like supertask number one is to go say well what is sufficient today this is you know

[2:31:07] Voice 3: we've got this time period we're in today and that's in combination with the first part of

[2:31:16] Voice 3: phase one of going out and establishing that that has to happen we're not going to get to the end

[2:31:23] Voice 3: with a minor amendment they're turning it down you know so we have to get to the end

[2:31:27] Voice 3: to have the provinces ultimately who makes the decision on who's going to be who's going down

[2:31:32] Trustee Harris (probable): is very important because that's the province right any

[2:31:37] Voice 3: amendments the ocp from this thing

[2:31:39] Voice 3: to that but

[2:31:40] Trustee Harris (probable): we just received a letter from robbie cohen stating that you guys need to amend your ocp

[2:31:47] Trustee Harris (probable): that doesn't give us permission doesn't give us permission they have to appreciate no no but

[2:31:53] Trustee Harris (probable): But ultimately, at the end of the day, it's our minister that approves ours.

[2:31:58] Trustee Harris (probable): Well, we'd better get some of the minutes, send it off, and see what they say.

[2:32:02] Voice 5: But I think what Laura was saying, if I can come around, Laura,

[2:32:04] Voice 5: that we have to know where the goalpost is.

[2:32:07] Voice 5: The goalpost is moving.

[2:32:08] Voice 3: It is moving, but we need to get some assurance that we can get to it,

[2:32:12] Voice 3: that the game we're playing today, the

[2:32:14] Voice 3: goalpost is there.

[2:32:16] Voice 3: It's all assurance.

[2:32:17] Voice 3: And that's the question.

[2:32:20] Trustee Harris (probable): So we did ask that question.

[2:32:22] Trustee Harris (probable): Yes, we did.

[2:32:23] Trustee Harris (probable): yesterday um it was you know we'll call it an introductory conversation between

[2:32:28] Trustee Harris (probable): uh islands trust staff and staff at the ministry school fairs

[2:32:33] Trustee Harris (probable): um around this very topic which is to say when a plan drops on the minister's desk for his or her

[2:32:39] Trustee Harris (probable): approval wherever it happens to be at the time like where is the bar set and what is it that

[2:32:44] Trustee Harris (probable): they're going to be looking for now unfortunately you know chris can um verify this or correct me

[2:32:50] Trustee Harris (probable): if I'm wrong here, the message was inconclusive, because of course, like the Islands Trust,

[2:32:56] Trustee Harris (probable): the province is itself on this journey of reconciliation, and at the end of the day,

[2:33:02] Trustee Harris (probable): it rests with the minister as to whether or not we have done the right thing.

[2:33:08] Trustee Harris (probable): But if I were to summarize, I think what we heard from the province was, engage through,

[2:33:18] and

[2:33:19] Trustee Harris (probable): be able to demonstrate to the province that either you have addressed the issues that have

[2:33:25] Trustee Harris (probable): been raised or if you have not been able to address the issues there at the very least that

[2:33:31] Trustee Harris (probable): you have had a further conversation with said nation about those issues and why it may or may

[2:33:38] Trustee Harris (probable): not have been able to be addressed through through

[2:33:41] Trustee Harris (probable): this process. They're looking for

[2:33:43] Trustee Harris (probable): I guess a demonstration of genuine discussion but not necessarily full support or concurrence

[2:33:54] Trustee Harris (probable): from the nation on all of the issues at this time. There was also an underlying message of

[2:34:02] Trustee Harris (probable): And we know that the nations are understaffed and overwhelmed by the amount of responsibilities

[2:34:12] Trustee Harris (probable): that they have on their own reserves and to their own people, providing housing, providing

[2:34:16] Trustee Harris (probable): education, providing health care, all the things that they do.

[2:34:20] Trustee Harris (probable): So the province recognizes this and suggested to us that, you know, the timelines that we

[2:34:26] Trustee Harris (probable): establish for our processes should have the flexibility built in there to ensure that

[2:34:32] Trustee Harris (probable): our engagements are kind of common whatever the the needs are of the nations that with whom you

[2:34:40] Trustee Harris (probable): want to engage in fact following what you just said about that you demonstrated that you followed

[2:34:47] Trustee Harris (probable): this path of engagement got some answers back and then re-engaged because we're good at the first

[2:34:53] Trustee Harris (probable): that we're not so good at that right we also you know we also heard from the province that there is

[2:34:59] Trustee Harris (probable): they work off of the 2014 engagement guidance document that is in the process of being updated

[2:35:07] Trustee Harris (probable): i believe in accordance with the declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples act

[2:35:11] Trustee Harris (probable): promises adopted once that document is finalized perhaps that will provide a little bit more

[2:35:17] Trustee Harris (probable): clarity to us as we go about our work is that is that a reasonable summary chris do you have

[2:35:22] Trustee Harris (probable): Anything you want to add from that?

[2:35:23] Trustee Harris (probable): I think I would

[2:35:23] Voice 10: just, yeah, I think I would add that it's not just engaging with this

[2:35:28] Voice 10: first nation.

[2:35:29] Voice 10: What I took away from it, I don't know if we agreed or if I made a threat, but it's

[2:35:34] Voice 10: that we will engage the ministry itself frequently throughout this process in order to advise

[2:35:41] Voice 10: them on what we're doing and seek their feedback.

[2:35:46] Voice 10: I take the view that first nations are a form of government, as they assert, and as the

[2:35:52] Voice 10: uh in that way uh i i think that the planner field has provided a plan here working earlier

[2:36:04] Voice 10: with first nations um if there's a need for some sort of body that comes together

[2:36:11] Voice 10: there can be body or some other subset of that uh that should emerge uh probably by the way of

[2:36:18] Voice 10: choice but those sovereign and i think we're gonna i think jason we're gonna talk a little

[2:36:26] Voice 10: bit later about third nations in depth uh in the engaging process uh we're on we're on community

[2:36:34] right now for taking our part of our community as well um and we have sort of first nations

[2:36:42] governments and the first nation because of not deserving community uh to have various other uh

[2:36:47] of indigenous identities

[2:36:48] Voice 10: on island in the LCA.

[2:36:51] Voice 10: So that's it.

[2:36:53] Voice 10: Both of those are things I think that we're going

[2:36:55] Voice 10: to be present to in looking at the draft

[2:36:58] Voice 10: and implementation strategy.

[2:36:59] Voice 10: So it'll be, it'll be precinct in that,

[2:37:02] Voice 10: in that next step with the recommendation.

[2:37:06] Voice 10: So I'm gonna suggest we maybe get back

[2:37:08] Voice 10: to the conversation that we need to see,

[2:37:11] Voice 10: which is not necessarily exclusive,

[2:37:12] Voice 10: but they're not necessarily exclusive of laboratory people but it's not um not necessarily um maybe

[2:37:23] Voice 10: not quite a lot right

[2:37:24] Trustee Harris (probable): that's why i say d that's why that's why i suggest d yeah

[2:37:33] Voice 9: so

[2:37:34] Trustee Harris (probable): then it's not

[2:37:44] Voice 3: Well, we're not talking about digital. We're

[2:37:48] Voice 9: talking about a digital

[2:37:49] Voice 3: advisory group maybe

[2:37:51] Voice 3: appear out of process, which would be great, but we're talking about as an advisory planning

[2:37:58] Voice 3: planning group appointed by this body or a citizen assembly that's appointed by the consultant.

[2:38:09] Voice 3: I think, like I said, one of our goals is to build confidence in this process.

[2:38:15] Voice 3: I think to do that is to broaden through an advisory planning commission that is available

[2:38:23] Voice 3: be available to answer these questions and provide that broader scope will build, you know, a build support

[2:38:30] Voice 3: for the project in a higher way.

[2:38:36] Trustee Harris (probable): I'm, yeah, not supportive of doing well.

[2:38:39] Trustee Harris (probable): Committee in any way shape or form I think that will enter the process and I don't think that would lose that would lose

[2:38:52] Trustee Harris (probable): was tired of more committees and more talking the time that it takes a procedure so i've not failed

[2:39:01] Trustee Harris (probable): so jason i think that um you're not surprised there's a diversity of opinion

[2:39:07] Trustee Harris (probable): in detail and so i think you've heard that i think we could go to the next step if you're

[2:39:14] Trustee Harris (probable): to digest this and well i would find some certainty on on this matter because the next

[2:39:24] Trustee Harris (probable): one i mean the next step theoretically if we are going to be creating an advisory commission for

[2:39:29] Trustee Harris (probable): example i was looking for a resolution to bring you a draft terms of reference for example what

[2:39:35] Trustee Harris (probable): this commission might do and what it might be composed of however if we are not going to do

[2:39:40] Trustee Harris (probable): that and you know i will say with the amount of the above options you still have an advisory plan

[2:39:45] Trustee Harris (probable): they wouldn't necessarily be the leading body on the project but they do still they are still there

[2:39:52] Trustee Harris (probable): and the LTC can refer information to them for their consideration as the project advances

[2:40:00] Trustee Harris (probable): so I don't know if I don't know if this if the LTC is interested in voting on this particular

[2:40:06] Trustee Harris (probable): matter to give me the certainty I need so that I know how to structure this this project

[2:40:15] Trustee Harris (probable): I

[2:40:16] Voice 3: actually see it as speeding up the process because it's available to the team more responsibly than we are.

[2:40:23] Voice 3: We don't have the same notices. I mean, there is a level of notice, but they can assemble quicker.

[2:40:30] Voice 3: And this is the community's official community plan.

[2:40:34] Voice 3: plan. And the more that we build support to the process, the easier the other end of the

[2:40:42] Voice 3: decision making will be. So that we're not facing opposition, you're facing, you know,

[2:40:53] Voice 3: thumbs up, you know, that we have people that are standing with us to the end of the project.

[2:41:00] Trustee Harris (probable): I only see that as a good thing.

[2:41:02] Trustee Harris (probable): i see the exact opposite i couldn't see it any clearer in these things more commissions and more

[2:41:12] Trustee Harris (probable): committees take a long time the whole community is never going to agree we're going to have who's

[2:41:17] Trustee Harris (probable): going to be on the community seriously and we were elected to create zoning to facilitate housing

[2:41:28] Trustee Harris (probable): much needed housing for communities suffering great people leaving not just a couple months

[2:41:35] Trustee Harris (probable): about why it's going to be a year and a half um so i'm not favored and i i'd make the motion

[2:41:46] Trustee Harris (probable): i don't know what kind of entertainment it would get that we do not create

[2:41:50] Trustee Harris (probable): i mean advice we do not utilize the

[2:41:53] Voice 6: existing one we

[2:41:55] Trustee Harris (probable): do the work and staff was the one we

[2:41:57] Trustee Harris (probable): did not need another commissioner and committee like we don't need more talking the time for that

[2:42:02] Trustee Harris (probable): is over i don't know how won't be i can put it um many many people feel that way in our community

[2:42:12] Trustee Harris (probable): we've heard it so what digital do you understand so what does that look like explain because i

[2:42:19] Trustee Harris (probable): i don't know that i would have written down so i need to know what does that look like it means

[2:42:27] Trustee Harris (probable): we do not have a special advisory planning commission so how are we going to do work

[2:42:32] Trustee Harris (probable): staff is going to do the amendments to the

[2:42:36] Trustee Harris (probable): existing ocp and bring in part of the trustees

[2:42:38] Voice 6: maybe ask

[2:42:39] Trustee Harris (probable): for our input so are you saying that we're not going to do community engagement

[2:42:45] Trustee Harris (probable): not not at that level no we'll have one well i don't know i don't know do we once we have the

[2:42:53] Trustee Harris (probable): new ocp we say here it is we do do we do our reading and have a put it out to the public

[2:42:58] Trustee Harris (probable): hearing process

[2:43:00] Voice 6: that's a teacher and then we take into consideration what everybody says

[2:43:05] Voice 6: and either re-event or vote on it yesterday

[2:43:09] Voice 9: mr

[2:43:12] Voice 10: chair can i just add to this i i think uh

[2:43:16] Voice 10: to dig down into this i'll keep it if you do use an existing like one or follow the bodies

[2:43:23] Voice 10: uh again the direction that we're seeking out of this repair engaging strategy and when we're

[2:43:28] Voice 10: take the body of this conversation away and come back and develop it so um i'll give you an example

[2:43:34] Voice 10: if you asked us today to like existing apc intensive throughout the process we will provide

[2:43:41] a detail of when we're going to refer various aspects of the project to them for comment

[2:43:47] prior to the lbc review and approval so at various stages of the project

[2:43:55] it's it's not impossible to not have it by everybody and they'll be looking to map out

[2:44:01] indigenous or sorry uh

[2:44:03] Trustee Harris (probable): map out interest holders across uh suspected here so i forget to get this

[2:44:08] Trustee Harris (probable): morning talking about thinking to engage

[2:44:10] Trustee Harris (probable): local organizations um

[2:44:12] Voice 10: you got the public in general

[2:44:14] Voice 10: and you kind of also something to get this morning

[2:44:25] Voice 10: that they need to reflect the professional realm and that's that's all well and good but you do

[2:44:31] Voice 10: have local organizations that sit outside of that realm that may also have valuable input

[2:44:36] Voice 10: in the process so the process of getting to equitability and utilizing the time and budget

[2:44:44] Voice 10: abc's can consume if they do consume a certain amount of that it's worth the lpc's consideration

[2:44:51] Voice 10: Where do we want to put resources into an agency because it does give you the benefit

[2:44:56] Voice 10: of having sort of gathered data in aggregate by surveys and then you present it to a group,

[2:45:06] Voice 10: ideally a functional group of about five to seven people, give you a bit of a gut check,

[2:45:11] Voice 10: watch that conversation and see the recommendations that come out of it and use that in your decision.

[2:45:16] Voice 10: um so these are these are these are the considerations that i'm going to ask that

[2:45:22] Voice 10: the ldc take into consideration deciding whether or not to utilize the body or not and if so

[2:45:29] Voice 10: what what should that quality uh given

[2:45:32] Trustee Harris (probable): the option to build

[2:45:33] Trustee Harris (probable): all right mr chair so let's just um entertain the idea of planning commission they're going

[2:45:41] Trustee Harris (probable): to be an election about who's going to be on this planning commission it's we had an election we

[2:45:48] Trustee Harris (probable): were elected we had community engagement and

[2:45:52] Voice 6: if this goes the way we're proposing here now

[2:45:55] Voice 6: or it's being proposed which i'm against this is going to lead us into next election and this

[2:46:00] Voice 6: would be an election topic it's so i'm i'm against um because we need to do something now we're in a

[2:46:11] Voice 6: crisis when we hear it's talking about you know climate change emergency world maybe maybe not

[2:46:17] Voice 6: but do we have a housing crisis that is an emergency looming in front of us right now yes

[2:46:23] Voice 6: it's there it's not imaginary or much in the precautionary principle to think are we going to

[2:46:27] Voice 6: have it maybe if we hadn't done that 20 years ago we were warned about it but we didn't and so here

[2:46:33] Voice 6: we are we do not need another planning commission or advisory body we have trustees we have capable

[2:46:40] Voice 6: people,

[2:46:41] Trustee Harris (probable): staff, we can amend the existing OCP and LGP.

[2:46:48] Voice 9: I think

[2:46:56] Voice 3: there's, like I said, huge value in having

[2:47:00] Voice 3: focus on the kinds of people that they could come from.

[2:47:04] Voice 3: Should someone from the agricultural world be on it?

[2:47:09] Voice 3: Yes, they might come from our agricultural advisory body

[2:47:13] Voice 3: we already have to be on it.

[2:47:14] Voice 3: But I see having a group that can give us that, just gives you that feedback of checking so that we're not sitting in a public hearing and having a fun fight occur in front of us.

[2:47:27] Voice 3: We've had good, you know, input coming into it.

[2:47:30] Voice 3: And, you know, ideally, we should be striving that what we're bringing forward is going to be welcomed.

[2:47:37] Voice 3: There

[2:47:37] Trustee Harris (probable): will be a fun fight here regardless.

[2:47:39] Trustee Harris (probable): If there's 10 planning commissions, Salt Spring Island, you know, we as trustees have to say we've taken everybody's concerns into consideration.

[2:47:54] Trustee Harris (probable): And now we must make a decision on behalf of our community to carry the vote and elect them.

[2:48:03] Trustee Harris (probable): So I'm not in favor of a planning commission or utilizing the existing one for that matter.

[2:48:10] Trustee Harris (probable): let's get on with the work that needs to be done

[2:48:12] Trustee Harris (probable): we know what needs to be done

[2:48:14] Trustee Harris (probable): so are you saying utilize the existing one

[2:48:16] Trustee Harris (probable): or not?

[2:48:21] Trustee Harris (probable): I'm concerned

[2:48:22] Trustee Harris (probable): of course articulated there

[2:48:26] Trustee Harris (probable): I've been

[2:48:27] Trustee Harris (probable): in one of these meetings years

[2:48:29] Trustee Harris (probable): and years ago and there's

[2:48:31] Voice 5: hundreds of people in the room

[2:48:32] Voice 5: there

[2:48:35] Trustee Harris (probable): will be regardless right?

[2:48:36] Trustee Harris (probable): no I think that's part of our job

[2:48:38] Trustee Harris (probable): is to build community consensus

[2:48:44] Voice 6: you're never going to get it two sides

[2:48:45] Voice 6: to agree we've got NGOs

[2:48:46] Voice 6: and we probably have to go to camp and just speak about them.

[2:48:50] Voice 6: But we've got NGOs that, you know, I

[2:48:56] Trustee Harris (probable): don't know what I'm allowed to say.

[2:48:57] Trustee Harris (probable): I

[2:48:58] Voice 6: know things have happened in this town that have, and wrongly happened,

[2:49:02] Trustee Harris (probable): that have driven polarization and created and had a distinct negative effect

[2:49:08] Trustee Harris (probable): on the social being.

[2:49:10] Voice 6: It's gone on, it's going.

[2:49:13] Voice 6: And that polarization is there.

[2:49:15] Voice 6: No matter what we do, there will be bonfires.

[2:49:17] Voice 6: But

[2:49:20] Trustee Harris (probable): there's no way I will be convinced that a new Planning Commission will only make things worse.

[2:49:31] Trustee Harris (probable): We have a crisis on our hands.

[2:49:36] Trustee Harris (probable): We'll

[2:49:37] Voice 3: move faster with good process. We will move faster. Otherwise, what you're painting will be an election issue.

[2:49:46] Voice 3: If this process stops and we don't have the OCP finished by the end of this term, then you are presenting a big separation.

[2:49:57] Voice 3: I think we're trying to be focused.

[2:50:00] Voice 3: We're trying to do good work.

[2:50:03] Voice 3: And the better the process, actually, the faster it will go.

[2:50:09] Voice 6: Housing should already have the zoning done.

[2:50:13] Voice 6: I was yelling this loud and clear at the beginning of last term.

[2:50:16] Voice 6: It should be done.

[2:50:17] Voice 6: and so now we're just at the same place we were last over a year ago the same place but actually

[2:50:23] Voice 6: further behind because 5 30 is right off the table at this point so if you guys want to make a motion

[2:50:32] Voice 6: and both pass it that's fine but i'm not going to agree so that's the nation so we want to get

[2:50:37] Voice 6: all the meeting maybe that's what or

[2:50:42] Trustee Harris (probable): i make the motion and see what happens but i'm planning i'm

[2:50:48] Trustee Harris (probable): i'm not sure on which title you are here today it's not a real one

[2:50:51] Trustee Harris (probable): all of that

[2:51:01] Voice 3: we um create a new special uh advisory planning commission for the ocpl project

[2:51:07] Trustee Harris (probable): you have a seconder i will second necessary to have it discussed at the table so that said it's

[2:51:15] Trustee Harris (probable): got on the table do you speak to your motion i think that's perfect enough and i think we've

[2:51:21] Trustee Harris (probable): all spoken enough because quite frankly stay on meeting is not progress taking action is progress

[2:51:30] Trustee Harris (probable): and so well

[2:51:32] Voice 6: i don't feel that's taking action

[2:51:33] Trustee Harris (probable): it's actually in action

[2:51:35] Trustee Harris (probable): it's going to take me

[2:51:36] Trustee Harris (probable): it's

[2:51:37] Voice 6: it's going to make the procedure long clear because it's going to something to have to be sent

[2:51:42] Voice 6: to the advisory planning commission.

[2:51:44] Voice 6: We're going to have to hear back.

[2:51:45] Trustee Harris (probable): We're going to respond back.

[2:51:46] Trustee Harris (probable): It's a game that's been going on for decades

[2:51:48] Trustee Harris (probable): on the salt spring end with the

[2:51:50] Trustee Harris (probable): stress. This isn't

[2:51:53] Trustee Harris (probable): new.

[2:51:55] Trustee Harris (probable): It's tougher, not sucker.

[2:51:57] Trustee Harris (probable): Let's put it that way.

[2:51:59] Trustee Harris (probable): This is a practice that is

[2:52:03] Trustee Harris (probable): conducted

[2:52:05] Trustee Harris (probable): throughout

[2:52:06] Trustee Harris (probable): the country successfully.

[2:52:11] Voice 3: In response,

[2:52:12] Voice 3: the special advisory

[2:52:14] Voice 3: In terms of

[2:52:15] Voice 3: reference to the staff, they don't have to come ask for our permission to go to the advisory planning commission. It would be built into the process.

[2:52:25] Voice 3: We were

[2:52:26] Voice 6: elected to do that. Are we going to have an election on who's going to be on the planning commission? Who's going to be on it?

[2:52:32] Voice 6: We should have an election. Never

[2:52:34] Voice 3: mind, we'll get to the next step.

[2:52:37] Trustee Harris (probable): That's a whole other step.

[2:52:38] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah, exactly. A whole other step. We'll be argumentable now.

[2:52:41] Trustee Harris (probable): out.

[2:52:46] Voice 9: Okay, I'm gonna call the vote on did you get it? I can

[2:52:51] Voice 11: read it. Okay, that this is different. I will trust me

[2:52:56] Voice 11: creating a new special advisory planning commission for the OCP

[2:53:00] Voice 11: led up to you.

[2:53:02] Voice 5: Okay, I'm gonna call the vote. Those opposed,

[2:53:06] Trustee Harris (probable): one opposed the man please send my opposition recorded. So they

[2:53:14] Trustee Harris (probable): are um hopefully you can paint a picture for us to give us some confidence

[2:53:23] Voice 9: thanks

[2:53:24] Trustee Harris (probable): um oh rob can you get the next slide please and this is uh my final slide on this

[2:53:30] Trustee Harris (probable): topic and we've actually already touched on it a little bit it's around the subject of

[2:53:34] Trustee Harris (probable): first nations engagement and trustee patrick has reminded me a number of times now that this

[2:53:39] Trustee Harris (probable): resolution the LTC has previously passed that has yet to be action around hiring a qualified

[2:53:48] Trustee Harris (probable): Indigenous relations professional to support this project another project work with the LTC.

[2:53:54] Trustee Harris (probable): So on the subject we already talked about the meeting we had with the ministry yesterday that's

[2:53:58] Trustee Harris (probable): related to this and additional to this and in service of this resolution the Islands Trust does

[2:54:05] Trustee Harris (probable): does have a Indigenous relations professional on a contract basis, sort of providing a little

[2:54:13] Trustee Harris (probable): bit of advice behind the scenes. And so we're going to meet with her sometime in the coming

[2:54:18] Trustee Harris (probable): week to look at how this could work. I don't think this person is going to go out necessarily

[2:54:24] Trustee Harris (probable): and do the work that is requested in this resolution, but can at least assist us in

[2:54:29] Trustee Harris (probable): scoping it and understanding how it might work and what we might how we might benefit from

[2:54:37] Trustee Harris (probable): from the work that's produced here i um because i was not around at the time this resolution was

[2:54:44] Trustee Harris (probable): made i'm not i guess i'm not even what is it that the ltc is hoping um to derive from from this

[2:54:55] Trustee Harris (probable): approach from this setting in relation to professional out to

[2:55:03] Trustee Harris (probable): would be helpful for me to understand as we have these

[2:55:08] Trustee Harris (probable): scoping conversations. So this is the

[2:55:11] Trustee Harris (probable): past motion. Are you

[2:55:13] Trustee Harris (probable): asking us to reiterate this motion? Or you're just looking

[2:55:15] Trustee Harris (probable): for description about what the workers because I wasn't

[2:55:18] Trustee Harris (probable): involved in the discussion and time this resolution is made, I

[2:55:21] Trustee Harris (probable): just want to make sure that we use the time that we're going to

[2:55:24] Trustee Harris (probable): have available with our contract person can provide us the best

[2:55:28] Trustee Harris (probable): advice possible on our next steps to be good if the ltc wants to see this resolution okay

[2:55:45] Voice 9: we

[2:55:45] Voice 3: made this motion because of how important this work is and like i said right now the island's

[2:55:52] Voice 3: trust has been reliant since i've been elected for a term of always one person and then that

[2:55:58] Voice 3: person leaves and then we all

[2:56:00] Voice 3: get set back and then we hire a new person and that person leaves

[2:56:04] Voice 3: and you

[2:56:04] Voice 1: know and it's

[2:56:05] Voice 3: like this isn't working and and i can understand why they're leaving

[2:56:09] Voice 3: we're asking them to do an impossible task and so um this is important work when maybe

[2:56:17] Voice 3: cultural liaison would be a better word perhaps and you know qualified professional that's the

[2:56:23] Voice 3: right word um but we need the support to help us um along the way but to also start the project in

[2:56:32] Voice 3: in a good way by having the conversation, you know, because even, anyway, I have, I just didn't

[2:56:36] Voice 3: have it on the paper, but there's part of the journey of, you know, of learning and building

[2:56:45] Voice 3: relationships is project. We also need permission to say what we, what about the nations, what they

[2:56:53] Voice 3: want to have said to the community. We're kind of bringing community on this journey too. It's not

[2:56:57] Voice 3: It's not just us, it's the community.

[2:56:59] Voice 3: This is the community plan.

[2:57:01] Voice 3: So it's working with the nation.

[2:57:04] Voice 3: So you're saying what do they want shared?

[2:57:06] Voice 3: They want shared, we shared.

[2:57:09] Voice 3: And what point, how

[2:57:11] Voice 1: do they want to be

[2:57:12] Voice 3: dialogued with

[2:57:12] Voice 3: and keeping on top of it?

[2:57:15] Voice 3: Because it is a complex environment.

[2:57:19] Voice 3: It's a changing environment.

[2:57:21] Voice 3: And I think this alone would help

[2:57:23] Voice 3: a few other conversations they have in the province

[2:57:25] Voice 3: but we're on top of it keeping track and you know 13 nations and a population as big as we are on

[2:57:33] Voice 3: salt spring and a desire to blaze the bar we're not going to do it without dedicating an effort

[2:57:40] Voice 3: to it i don't know how you

[2:57:45] Voice 9: characterize an emotion but we're

[2:57:48] Trustee Harris (probable): healthy hello hello we need help

[2:57:53] Voice 9: seriously

[2:58:01] Trustee Harris (probable): I would like to think that a qualified Indigenous relations professional, when they read even

[2:58:09] Trustee Harris (probable): just this motion, and maybe browse some of our meeting videos and the like, it becomes

[2:58:16] Trustee Harris (probable): clear that we need help.

[2:58:18] Trustee Harris (probable): And I would hope, this is another word, I would hope that that qualified Indigenous

[2:58:25] Trustee Harris (probable): indigenous professional would know how to help us and that's I

[2:58:35] Voice 9: think this is an exciting bridge for

[2:58:39] Trustee Harris (probable): us to cross to actually and I'm saying it out loud help we need help in order to to get there and we

[2:58:47] Trustee Harris (probable): want to engage sincerely so I don't know what do you want with this one Jason yes

[2:58:55] Voice 3: and that is you

[2:58:58] Voice 3: you know, I look, you know, today, the letter from Coach Nation, this is the first time

[2:59:05] Voice 3: it's officially been transmitted. So

[2:59:10] Voice 3: a letter of this importance, and, you know, so we're

[2:59:15] Voice 3: having weaknesses at every step in the game. And I think that's where, you know, this is

[2:59:25] Voice 3: so that we really truly bring like an indigenous relations approach to to

[2:59:31] Voice 3: the project and that

[2:59:32] Voice 3: it's all aspects of it what

[2:59:36] Trustee Harris (probable): does qualify wow you could drill down into every word in there

[2:59:43] Trustee Harris (probable): i just think it means somebody that knows something beyond where i am and how do we

[2:59:53] Trustee Harris (probable): determine is there going to be uh experience success is there going to be

[3:00:00] Trustee Harris (probable): you know job posting you put out and who can apply can be anyone who's an indigenous

[3:00:09] Trustee Harris (probable): that would seem he did probably be qualified or would they know

[3:00:13] Trustee Harris (probable): well that's a good question yeah that's what i'm asking that was really interesting we have

[3:00:20] Trustee Harris (probable): to trust the hiring process yeah i mean depending on the size of your contract you would either have

[3:00:25] Trustee Harris (probable): to pull out as an RFBA request for social media description services and the background experience

[3:00:32] Trustee Harris (probable): that we think would be appropriate for that for that task or conversely if the contract is small

[3:00:38] Trustee Harris (probable): enough it's the possibility we can direct award it if we are aware of somebody who has the unique

[3:00:45] Trustee Harris (probable): set of skills that that we think but are you perhaps suggesting here um that we're looking

[3:00:54] Trustee Harris (probable): looking actually initially for an advisor, a knowledgeable advisor, to assist us in determining

[3:01:03] Trustee Harris (probable): what that qualified and interested professional is.

[3:01:05] Trustee Harris (probable): That's the first conversation that we just, you know, there's somebody who is on contract

[3:01:11] Trustee Harris (probable): with the Islands Trust who has ample experience with intergovernmental relations at the local

[3:01:17] Trustee Harris (probable): government, at the governance level, and can at least help us understand who might be out

[3:01:23] Trustee Harris (probable): out there, the type of work that somebody who is out there might do in this regard and

[3:01:29] Trustee Harris (probable): just help us scope that RFP or whatever the terms of reference is for whoever it is that.

[3:01:36] Voice 3: Another phrase, like I said, I'm watching these movies this weekend, this is about setting

[3:01:43] Voice 3: this project up in a good way, this

[3:01:46] Voice 9: is what this

[3:01:46] Voice 3: is all about, is that we're getting started

[3:01:50] Voice 3: it but not getting halfway through it going oh wait a minute we've got to pause or stop you know

[3:01:55] Voice 3: that's what happened with the ganges village is how this letter was heard about you can't keep

[3:02:00] Voice 3: going after receiving a letter like this you know so that's worse it's like this is about setting up

[3:02:06] Voice 3: in a good way these

[3:02:09] Voice 6: things take so much time we're wasting time the community is something people are

[3:02:14] Trustee Harris (probable): lean it's setting up in good ways yeah how long was that going to take said this will be we'll

[3:02:22] Trustee Harris (probable): be talking about this action time and more people will have left and will the housing portion of the

[3:02:29] Trustee Harris (probable): ocp be amended i don't know seems to me that it won't be and we'll have more difficulties

[3:02:36] Trustee Harris (probable): and hurdles put in front of that house what more do you need from us on this topic nothing

[3:02:46] Trustee Harris (probable): thing for today now like that that was just my powerful slides i don't

[3:02:50] Voice 6: know what other

[3:02:51] Trustee Harris (probable): subjects on this might want to cover today apologies if i belabored my needs a little

[3:02:58] Trustee Harris (probable): too long there are a number of recommendations here um both to endorse the terms of reference

[3:03:04] Trustee Harris (probable): and then to recommend the staff bring back some of the more detailed project

[3:03:11] Trustee Harris (probable): In order to

[3:03:12] Trustee Harris (probable): advance this project, we need to adopt these two recommendations here today.

[3:03:18] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah, we're finding an alternative speed of recommendations of trying to take the lead.

[3:03:24] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah, let's get it done.

[3:03:29] Trustee Harris (probable): Which ones of these recommendations brought it back today?

[3:03:32] Voice 3: I have a few more comments about what's missing.

[3:03:42] Voice 3: I think something from the project timeline that's missing is sort of the procurement

[3:03:47] Voice 3: piece.

[3:03:48] Voice 3: Because I look at whether it's getting someone like this, getting the OCP team in place.

[3:03:56] Voice 3: Because you've got your time schedule up here, but I go, whoa, there's a procurement schedule

[3:04:03] Voice 3: that needs to fit as well, and I think that's important.

[3:04:11] Voice 3: And the other thing that's not in here

[3:04:14] Voice 3: is community engagement,

[3:04:16] Voice 3: but we have nothing about communications.

[3:04:21] Voice 3: I think, you know, we've already got people

[3:04:25] Trustee Harris (probable): writing letters to the paper saying,

[3:04:27] Trustee Harris (probable): oh, trust me, we're just gonna do what they want,

[3:04:29] Trustee Harris (probable): shove it through with the OCD pros.

[3:04:31] Trustee Harris (probable): you know it's like no we're we're bringing

[3:04:33] Voice 3: a process forward and i think we've got to get

[3:04:36] Voice 3: ahead of the story and to get out there communicating what's going to happen um

[3:04:42] Voice 3: and that's why you know we get all half the bundle bites by misinformation getting out

[3:04:48] Voice 3: there and i think we we've got to make sure we're communicating this project

[3:04:53] Voice 3: we want to go quickly it's through good communications um

[3:05:01] Voice 3: Oh, and the other piece of this, I think, as we already have, from 2008, we have a vision

[3:05:11] Voice 3: and objectives that we went 180 degrees from, and so we should be able to monitor, you know,

[3:05:22] Voice 3: I don't think we need to have a monitoring plan for the entire OCP, but if we're doing

[3:05:26] Voice 1: the housing

[3:05:27] Voice 3: segment how do we know we're achieving what we're setting out to achieve

[3:05:32] Voice 3: um if we're trying to create more diversity in housing and more options of housing then we should

[3:05:37] Voice 3: be able to figure you know about a metric or two that we want to have in there to measure

[3:05:43] Voice 3: measure that and you know so just completing this project saying we're done and i think we should

[3:05:52] Voice 3: You look at everybody else's OCPs, they all have a monitoring piece.

[3:06:00] Voice 3: So it's not a robust one, but a little piece of monitoring, and I think that's really the

[3:06:08] Voice 3: big piece.

[3:06:16] Voice 3: I know this was Justin, there's the agency working group, this mysterious agency working

[3:06:22] Voice 3: group.

[3:06:22] Voice 3: I think they should have a terms of reference too and because I did I might want to talk to some of the people that participated from the agencies but there was some frustration and you know so I think there's if we

[3:06:35] Voice 1: don't want to frustrate our

[3:06:36] Voice 3: working partners I think they should clearly know why they're working with you and the expectations of you know but they're they're clearly part of the project and that it'll play

[3:06:50] Voice 3: into the public too what you know what are in terms of reference a couple pieces

[3:06:55] Voice 3: it's what why are these and why are they assembled so it's a mysterious group who are they because

[3:07:04] Voice 3: we were we were never even told who was on the group who represented them a bit mysterious

[3:07:12] Trustee Harris (probable): uh there's a lot there's lots of mysteries around that's for sure

[3:07:17] Trustee Harris (probable): are you getting that into jason yeah i think those are the biggest jamie

[3:07:23] Trustee Harris (probable): any other missing elements i'm not happy with the way this is going but yeah yeah it's okay so um

[3:07:34] Trustee Harris (probable): i will say at this point yeah i get hung up on to other people involved that haven't been elected

[3:07:52] Trustee Harris (probable): and trusting factor is the word misinformation there's a lot of that out there

[3:08:00] Trustee Harris (probable): and I don't want to be using people that are pushing misinformation on any of these advisory

[3:08:09] Trustee Harris (probable): boards and to do that it's better to make sure that what we are using is not pushing

[3:08:22] Trustee Harris (probable): misinformation hasn't been pushing misinformation I'll try and keep a lookout for that as this

[3:08:39] Voice 3: I talked with Jason during lunch, the suitable land analysis task, we talked about how that

[3:08:50] Voice 3: needs a bit of transparency and engagement associated with it.

[3:08:55] Voice 3: So again,

[3:08:56] Trustee Harris (probable): there's an understanding of the tool, what the layers are, what it's doing.

[3:09:01] Trustee Harris (probable): I

[3:09:01] Voice 3: think that's, I mean, that's, I think this is our chance, like I said, to do the process

[3:09:05] Voice 3: well, build that transparency into it so that people can see where the information is coming

[3:09:16] Voice 3: from and have had it engaged in some of it so that all of that fills confidence.

[3:09:25] Trustee Harris (probable): I really don't see this as something difficult.

[3:09:29] Trustee Harris (probable): You know, I really don't.

[3:09:30] Trustee Harris (probable): i think it's really this convoluted thing doesn't have to be difficult very simple you know ideas

[3:09:42] Trustee Harris (probable): protecting things creating a healthy community need housing ownership housing

[3:09:52] Trustee Harris (probable): it's really very simple i don't know i'm forgiving you but i don't know that the

[3:09:58] Trustee Harris (probable): complexities that are being thrown around regarding it yeah i would say that the

[3:10:04] Trustee Harris (probable): The complexities are daunting, however, we have a professional status system so far.

[3:10:09] Trustee Harris (probable): I

[3:10:10] Voice 6: don't think there is complexity. That's my point.

[3:10:12] Voice 6: I don't think there is complexity being made out to be.

[3:10:15] Voice 6: At the end of the day, this is very simple stuff.

[3:10:18] Voice 6: Planet Earth, people need a place to live.

[3:10:21] Voice 6: We have a workforce here that's leaving steadily.

[3:10:26] Voice 6: Again, one of the early settlers, Arthur Spalding,

[3:10:29] Voice 6: on Panda Island, was very active with all the Gulf Islands.

[3:10:36] Voice 6: their great great granddaughter has to leave that she was been gone after

[3:10:40] Voice 6: so maybe it's unforgivable that we haven't addressed the housing issue yet so we're not

[3:10:50] Voice 6: going to

[3:10:51] Trustee Harris (probable): get anywhere if we keep reiterating what we're going through so i'm not being disrespectful

[3:10:57] Trustee Harris (probable): at this thing i get it i hear you let's get

[3:11:01] Voice 5: on with the work because that's what we need to do

[3:11:02] Voice 5: and you

[3:11:03] Voice 5: know looking at the time today we need to get up with the work today we've got a couple of

[3:11:07] Voice 5: more serious items to get through here um if

[3:11:10] Trustee Harris (probable): i'm not hearing any

[3:11:12] Trustee Harris (probable): motions coming forward um this

[3:11:14] Trustee Harris (probable): will come back to us to look for more direction at our next meeting and so um if we can get any

[3:11:22] Trustee Harris (probable): inches ahead here i think that would benefit um but certainly jason i think you've received a lot

[3:11:29] Trustee Harris (probable): of information today you've been writing furiously

[3:11:30] Voice 5: in this and um we get a better idea here i'm going

[3:11:34] Voice 5: to just ask an open question here um we have yet

[3:11:37] Trustee Harris (probable): to do 4.2 or indeed you know that conversation

[3:11:41] Trustee Harris (probable): will be far short okay well that's good to hear um and so then we've got quite a lot to deal with

[3:11:47] Trustee Harris (probable): and so um for

[3:11:50] Voice 3: the motion since we did talk about some potential change could we hold off on the

[3:11:56] Voice 3: terms of the terms of reference to turn back together at the same

[3:12:00] Voice 3: time. I can't

[3:12:01] Voice 3: I

[3:12:01] Trustee Harris (probable): would appreciate that. Yes.

[3:12:07] Voice 3: Project charter based on the terms of reference or based on

[3:12:10] Voice 3: the terms of reference that's discussed. And there's one

[3:12:13] Voice 3: that

[3:12:13] Voice 5: would be good. Yeah, we got that. Sarah.

[3:12:35] Voice 11: So you're saying

[3:12:36] Voice 9: that the local capacity direct staff

[3:12:38] Voice 11: provide a draft reference for the CPLDD

[3:12:42] Voice 11: project based on the discussions with our new staff?

[3:12:47] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah, based on the discussion with terms of reference to the appendix one.

[3:12:51] Trustee Harris (probable): What's this motion to? Just based on the discussion.

[3:13:08] Trustee Harris (probable): Yes, but that's not a reason to not support because that's a decision that we've made

[3:13:19] Trustee Harris (probable): and this is a separate item which will include this.

[3:13:26] Voice 11: Correct.

[3:13:27] Trustee Harris (probable): He'll bring it back.

[3:13:28] Trustee Harris (probable): So can you read it out?

[3:13:31] Voice 11: That will result from our local trustee, direct staff to provide the draft project further

[3:13:36] Voice 11: based on the discussions on the transfer of the space.

[3:13:42] Trustee Harris (probable): Do I have a seconder?

[3:13:44] Trustee Harris (probable): Yep.

[3:13:45] Trustee Harris (probable): Well, I'm going to second it.

[3:13:48] Trustee Harris (probable): Do you wish to speak further?

[3:13:51] Trustee Harris (probable): I was

[3:13:51] Voice 5: starting to say earlier that although I can't have lost it now, it's unfortunate,

[3:13:58] Voice 5: I've lost the entire panel volume.

[3:14:00] Voice 5: Yeah, exactly.

[3:14:03] Voice 5: It's a lot to get your

[3:14:04] Trustee Harris (probable): head around, especially when you're struggling internally, the right

[3:14:08] Trustee Harris (probable): thing to do, let's just say that.

[3:14:14] Trustee Harris (probable): The complexity of it necessitates us having a process, and in that process, the necessity

[3:14:22] Trustee Harris (probable): is for us to have transparency, because we are a government, and we have that responsibility.

[3:14:29] Trustee Harris (probable): And so although it might seem complex, overly complex, it's supporting a process to ensure

[3:14:36] Trustee Harris (probable): that we get to a good place with the decisions that we're making.

[3:14:42] Trustee Harris (probable): I just want to say that because I totally get it that in

[3:14:47] Voice 5: my own life, I go, oh, this

[3:14:48] Voice 5: is way too hard.

[3:14:49] Voice 5: I'm going to do it this way.

[3:14:52] Voice 6: I

[3:14:52] Voice 5: think I can do that at home.

[3:14:53] Voice 5: I can't

[3:14:54] Trustee Harris (probable): do that at government.

[3:14:54] Trustee Harris (probable): i think we could still be very uh you know even more than transparent uh without having an advisor

[3:15:02] Trustee Harris (probable): well yeah but

[3:15:03] Trustee Harris (probable): i think the planning commissioners i think we can be more transparent if the meeting's

[3:15:09] Trustee Harris (probable): open to stop bring the stuff to us so we go i'm sure there's going to be readings that's correct

[3:15:15] Trustee Harris (probable): yeah it's a bi-lawment meetings

[3:15:18] Voice 6: and then it would go

[3:15:19] Trustee Harris (probable): to public hearings so i think it would

[3:15:20] Trustee Harris (probable): or the transparent i will just you know i'll just reply with that okay so we're going to

[3:15:25] Voice 5: motion on the table

[3:15:26] Trustee Harris (probable): and i'm going to want to advance this because we're definitely yes a

[3:15:29] Trustee Harris (probable): lot of time today we've had a great conversation i think this is really important so i'm going to

[3:15:33] Trustee Harris (probable): call those that's all right everybody all those in favor those opposed may i please send my

[3:15:40] Trustee Harris (probable): proposition noted for the record yes thank you and we need that

[3:15:45] Voice 3: we need the scope of work

[3:15:47] Voice 3: function as well from that i know the assault panel of the press committee direct staff

[3:15:52] Voice 3: provide the drafts of services for review and comment for the planning

[3:15:57] Voice 3: it's sold to undertake the work specified

[3:16:04] Voice 3: too early for that

[3:16:05] Voice 3: no can we say i guess no no i think we can say it but just as discussed again

[3:16:11] Voice 3: Okay. So, all right. Undertake the work specified in the terms of reference as discussed in

[3:16:21] Voice 3: Appendix

[3:16:22] Trustee Harris (probable): 1 and the OCP Land Use By-law update project business case.

[3:16:26] Trustee Harris (probable): So that's recommendation number three, is that what you've got done?

[3:16:30] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah, it's thrown in as discussed somewhere in there.

[3:16:34] Trustee Harris (probable): All right, so it's moved.

[3:16:36] Trustee Harris (probable): Seconded.

[3:16:37] Trustee Harris (probable): Thank you.

[3:16:38] Trustee Harris (probable): I'll second it. Any discussion?

[3:16:44] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay. All those in favor? Those opposed? One opposed? Again, please, may I have the opposition

[3:16:52] Trustee Harris (probable): to vote?

[3:16:53] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay.

[3:16:54] Voice 3: And I move that the South Green Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to provide a

[3:16:58] Voice 3: draft community engagement strategy for the US&Keyland Use By-law update project.

[3:17:06] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay, so that's as presented. Option number four, recognition of the report. I've moved

[3:17:12] Trustee Harris (probable): it. Can you second that?

[3:17:13] Trustee Harris (probable): No, I'd love to talk about it, though, so I can check this one.

[3:17:18] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay, I'll second it. You wish to speak to your motion?

[3:17:23] Trustee Harris (probable): No, I think we've had a lot of discussion around the engagement strategy today, so...

[3:17:28] Trustee Harris (probable): I don't see how this is necessary. There's going to be community engagement, so...

[3:17:39] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah, so, yeah, the

[3:17:42] Voice 5: opportunity for discussion, and I want to try and develop greater understanding

[3:17:51] Voice 5: and

[3:17:51] Trustee Harris (probable): respect for your point of view, and so I thought I'd be necessary to say, we don't

[3:17:58] Trustee Harris (probable): have to, you know, that by providing

[3:18:02] Voice 5: a draft community engagement

[3:18:03] Trustee Harris (probable): strategy, and somebody

[3:18:04] Voice 5: correct me if I'm wrong, because that's okay too, is that's part of the transparency.

[3:18:09] Voice 5: You

[3:18:09] Trustee Harris (probable): say, this is how we're going to communicate with you about this engagement.

[3:18:17] Trustee Harris (probable): So it's almost fundamental to giving confidence and trust to the community.

[3:18:24] Trustee Harris (probable): This is how we're going to do it.

[3:18:25] Trustee Harris (probable): We could fall down and make a mess of it, that's for sure.

[3:18:27] Trustee Harris (probable): But to me, that's what this motion is about.

[3:18:32] Trustee Harris (probable): I guess where I'm coming from with it is that we're going to be engaging regardless.

[3:18:36] Trustee Harris (probable): There will be readings.

[3:18:37] Trustee Harris (probable): There will be public hearing.

[3:18:39] Trustee Harris (probable): we talk about it you know as it's happened so yeah i see this as just more staff time

[3:18:45] Trustee Harris (probable): um yeah so that's that's why and i'll say you're right except

[3:18:52] Voice 5: that the public

[3:18:53] Voice 5: is a very interested bunch of people and they want to know at what level and we use the iap2

[3:19:04] Voice 5: standards right as a method of engagement they want to know what level we're going to be engaging

[3:19:09] Voice 5: them so that they can be

[3:19:11] Trustee Harris (probable): ready and prepared to engage with us but i'm not going to say it and

[3:19:17] Trustee Harris (probable): because that's what i call for making photos that parts carry us all those in

[3:19:22] Voice 9: favor any opposed

[3:19:26] Voice 9: that's great okay on

[3:19:30] Voice 3: this last motion we did a lot of so

[3:19:32] Voice 5: sorry that carries that carries one uh post

[3:19:36] Voice 3: on this last motion regarding person asking us for a guide options we're just talking about this

[3:19:41] Voice 3: motion that's up here that we need we need advice yeah yeah

[3:19:46] Voice 3: so do you need

[3:19:47] Voice 3: this motion as this or

[3:19:49] Voice 3: how could we rephrase that to be more useful we

[3:19:53] Trustee Harris (probable): already made it

[3:19:53] Voice 3: and we've already got that motion

[3:19:54] Voice 3: okay

[3:19:55] Trustee Harris (probable): i'm bringing back some material in response to that motion

[3:19:59] Voice 3: better i did want to add one more word yes thank

[3:20:04] Voice 3: you for the quality of the work plan um

[3:20:08] Voice 3: as you know i think you're setting a standard probably first by the future planners of the

[3:20:13] Voice 3: islands trust but we need this detail for projects project charters are not detailed enough and i

[3:20:19] Voice 3: think creating a you know a level of detail for progress uh help us all understand what we're

[3:20:26] Voice 3: saying yes to and having the conversation that we just had today so um thank you uh this is great

[3:20:33] Voice 3: very great level of detail thanks

[3:20:36] Trustee Harris (probable): i'm looking forward to getting started on this work i know

[3:20:41] Trustee Harris (probable): you know trustee harris is finding this preliminary paperwork challenging you know but like

[3:20:50] Trustee Harris (probable): but once once it's well established who is going to be doing what when then we can hit the ground

[3:20:57] Trustee Harris (probable): running to the real world okay um i'm thankful that we've had this conversation and uh i say

[3:21:12] Trustee Harris (probable): that talk is talk proof is in the pudding and so that's what we need to do is get on with the work

[3:21:20] Trustee Harris (probable): and i know eventually get on with the work so let's do it so if it's all right i'm going to

[3:21:26] Trustee Harris (probable): go to the

[3:21:27] Trustee Harris (probable): next item four point two and uh and jason you said it was going to be shorter thank

[3:21:31] Trustee Harris (probable): care well it's as short or as long as the ltc chooses to make it yeah

[3:21:36] Trustee Harris (probable): um this is really more

[3:21:40] Trustee Harris (probable): more of a temperature check than anything else the local trust committee knows it has received

[3:21:46] Trustee Harris (probable): 150 000 from union british government municipalities to undertake a community's assessment

[3:21:52] Trustee Harris (probable): we've uh put out an rfp we've received the bids on that we're in the

[3:21:56] Trustee Harris (probable): the review process of that between for the contract soon.

[3:22:03] Trustee Harris (probable): Here's what I want to check in.

[3:22:07] Trustee Harris (probable): Rob, could you go two slides ahead past that one?

[3:22:11] Trustee Harris (probable): To read the province's guidance document

[3:22:14] Trustee Harris (probable): on the community's assessment,

[3:22:16] Trustee Harris (probable): it's a geospatial analysis of 16 indicators.

[3:22:21] Trustee Harris (probable): And these are the weirdly organized 16 indicators.

[3:22:27] Trustee Harris (probable): the end of the year is actually better. However, it can be more than this, I guess. So I guess I'm

[3:22:39] Trustee Harris (probable): looking to the LTC for a bit of clarity on what your expectations are beyond the measurement of

[3:22:47] Trustee Harris (probable): these 16 years. Now, I know that we live in a rural island context rather than a urban context,

[3:22:55] Trustee Harris (probable): and the notion of a complete community as defined by the province is very much like an urban centric concept.

[3:23:03] Trustee Harris (probable): So I can see the need for us to develop a few more indicators that are better reflective of our rural island community.

[3:23:10] Trustee Harris (probable): Right. But what I guess I need to know is what is the expectation of this LTC around engaging the community on the subject of complete community?

[3:23:24] Trustee Harris (probable): And the most pressing point for me is how does it intersect with the community consultation

[3:23:33] Trustee Harris (probable): that we have to do around the OCP, so that we're not going to confuse the heck out of

[3:23:39] Trustee Harris (probable): people.

[3:23:39] Trustee Harris (probable): Like this report will feed the OCP.

[3:23:42] Trustee Harris (probable): It's going to give us a lot of useful information that will help us direct the new housing options

[3:23:50] Trustee Harris (probable): that are going to emerge through the OCP.

[3:23:53] Trustee Harris (probable): However, I'm just I'm concerned about, I'm getting the sense that perhaps the LTC wants sort of a robust community engagement around the complete communities assessment.

[3:24:03] Trustee Harris (probable): But if it's a robust community, if it's a robust community engagement, and then we're going to go again and talk to the community the last way for the OCP, we're going to confuse the heck out of it, right?

[3:24:15] Trustee Harris (probable): asking them very similar questions at two junctures that are going to occur fairly soon, one after the other.

[3:24:27] Trustee Harris (probable): So people aren't totally going to know what's going on.

[3:24:29] Trustee Harris (probable): So I guess I'd include the draft engagement plan in my staff report just to do a little temperature check-in

[3:24:35] Trustee Harris (probable): and see whether what staff have proposed in that example engagement plan makes sense from a community engagement standpoint.

[3:24:43] Trustee Harris (probable): So that's what you're offering,

[3:24:45] Trustee Harris (probable): not just the institutions?

[3:24:46] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah, that's, that's, that is what staff believe to be an appropriate level of engagement to this critique.

[3:24:55] Trustee Harris (probable): But these remarks on what page is that on?

[3:24:59] Trustee Harris (probable): That is on page, the example engagement plan begins on page 112.

[3:25:09] Trustee Harris (probable): Please, Laura.

[3:25:11] Voice 3: I'll start, I want to start at the beginning.

[3:25:13] Voice 3: I know another guidance document has their definition, but I think that's an interesting question.

[3:25:19] Voice 3: First of all, I see the pre-community as the beginning of the consultation with the OCP.

[3:25:25] Voice 3: So it's continuation.

[3:25:28] Voice 3: So I think that has to be part of the message.

[3:25:31] Voice 3: I don't think they were doing this thing.

[3:25:33] Voice 3: They were doing that thing.

[3:25:34] Voice 3: I think it has to be communicated as this is the beginning.

[3:25:38] Voice 3: getting. And I think one of the first questions is what is a complete community? The guidance

[3:25:46] Voice 3: material is quite good. I mean, it shows almost a little blob of our island. Most of us drive

[3:25:54] Voice 3: to town, park our car and walk around town in a 15 minute circle. I can't even get to the

[3:26:02] Voice 3: mailbox and back at my house walking 15 minutes. That's probably most people on Saltspring.

[3:26:07] Voice 3: So, I think we have to have a context question. What is in the island context? And that's a public question. What does that mean? We see ourselves.

[3:26:25] Voice 3: And, you know, there are likely indicators missing that that should come out of some

[3:26:31] Voice 3: of that process as to how, what do we, especially like the transportation piece, we are connected

[3:26:37] Voice 3: by barriers.

[3:26:38] Voice 3: So right there, there's indicators missing on our connectivity.

[3:26:44] Trustee Harris (probable): Does it reflect a rural concept?

[3:26:47] Voice 3: The guidance document has some good stuff in there that does reflect that.

[3:26:55] Voice 3: They lay out the types of, you know, you're an urban center or you're more of a traditional

[3:27:01] Voice 3: suburban or you're this scattered piece and that's what we're looking for.

[3:27:05] Voice 3: So I think there are likely missing indicators, but you know, you want dozens more, no, but

[3:27:13] Voice 3: you know, there should be corrected for salt spray.

[3:27:17] Voice 3: And I would not be surprised if we say, you know what, this one doesn't, we're going to

[3:27:23] Voice 3: knock one off and replace it you know it doesn't mean we absolutely have to do it or we we add

[3:27:30] Voice 3: challenge if we find what is not appropriate for an island can

[3:27:36] Trustee Harris (probable): i probe um a little deeper on

[3:27:40] Trustee Harris (probable): so your interest in having the community helping form our definition what is the forum

[3:27:48] Trustee Harris (probable): in which you would want a discussion like that to take place like are would you be satisfied

[3:27:53] Trustee Harris (probable): by with a survey something that is a one-way a one-way feedback opportunity or are you watching

[3:28:01] Trustee Harris (probable): people in a room having a discussion and hopefully arriving at a consensus

[3:28:09] Voice 3: this process we have i mean the application itself identified a whole bunch of organizations

[3:28:15] Voice 3: that exist on the island that are already involved i think this is where the involved

[3:28:19] Voice 3: piece is the most powerful of you know talking to the folks that are already out there doing

[3:28:26] Voice 3: these plans you know they all have indicators in them and drawing from a smaller group that is more

[3:28:36] Voice 3: organization focused and then that could be more input on yeah we

[3:28:42] Voice 3: should probably do a bit of a

[3:28:44] Voice 3: survey defines what's considered a complete community.

[3:28:53] Voice 3: And again, I would encourage you to be free in the language

[3:28:58] Voice 3: to make it sound like the beginning of the OCP process.

[3:29:01] Voice 3: You can totally not use the word complete community.

[3:29:05] Voice 3: What are we missing?

[3:29:08] Voice 3: What are our strengths?

[3:29:09] Voice 3: What are we missing?

[3:29:11] Voice 3: What would you wish we had more of?

[3:29:15] Voice 3: Well, I'm not just making that up as I'm talking, but I would encourage us to find language that fits for Salt Spring and that would come from a really good group of organizations that have already been identified as a potential really good input.

[3:29:32] Voice 3: I would not under, I think that was

[3:29:36] Trustee Harris (probable): a plus on that application.

[3:29:38] Trustee Harris (probable): You've got strengths, huge strengths.

[3:29:46] Trustee Harris (probable): Well, I don't know. I'm happy to hear trustee Patrick has a house to drive from and into

[3:29:50] Trustee Harris (probable): town and walk around. There's a lot of people who do not have one and they're losing their

[3:29:54] Trustee Harris (probable): homes and having to leave. So, you know,

[3:29:57] Trustee Harris (probable): when I see this, I really don't even know what to do.

[3:30:00] Trustee Harris (probable): It doesn't, like you're saying, really seem to, it doesn't seem to describe Saltspring.

[3:30:14] Trustee Harris (probable): Transportation, proximity to transit.

[3:30:19] Trustee Harris (probable): If there's people somewhere that need transit, the bus will go there.

[3:30:26] Trustee Harris (probable): So I don't see that as a way to inhibit development in any way.

[3:30:32] Trustee Harris (probable): Say, well, there's transit, there's a little bit of transit.

[3:30:34] Trustee Harris (probable): students said, oh, the bus will go there.

[3:30:37] Trustee Harris (probable): There's people that need to go up there to get to work.

[3:30:44] Trustee Harris (probable): But again, I see we have a crisis on our hands

[3:30:48] Trustee Harris (probable): and wasting time.

[3:30:52] Trustee Harris (probable): Here's to what I'll have to do.

[3:30:55] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah, I don't think it's interesting

[3:30:58] Trustee Harris (probable): that you say that, because I don't think it's universally

[3:31:00] Trustee Harris (probable): true, like a bus goes, somebody needs a bus, a bus will go.

[3:31:05] Trustee Harris (probable): It's not universally true.

[3:31:06] Trustee Harris (probable): I know that.

[3:31:07] Trustee Harris (probable): Well, maybe we don't go up to the top of Mount Tuam, but they'll go up, you know, Furness Road or whatever road it may be, you know, places where they aren't now, they will go.

[3:31:20] Trustee Harris (probable): But they need, somebody needs to motivate them to sort of go there, but they need to stop and pick people up.

[3:31:28] Trustee Harris (probable): Yeah, the bus will stop and pick people up if they're, you know, they want to make money.

[3:31:32] Trustee Harris (probable): There are lots of communities that the bus doesn't stop. I can tell you that.

[3:31:38] Trustee Harris (probable): anyway um have you got enough on this one Jason um yeah I mean I think I just need to go away and

[3:31:47] Trustee Harris (probable): just better contemplate the intersection of this with the OCP community engagement side of things

[3:31:56] Trustee Harris (probable): just to make sure that we're not conflating or confusing people so trust me Patrick has a good

[3:32:01] Trustee Harris (probable): the suggestion and but you just started this off does it reflect the ruralized nature

[3:32:07] Trustee Harris (probable): i think it needs to come some distance too yeah i think i uh i'm more concerned about the the

[3:32:13] Trustee Harris (probable): mechanism by which we answer that question but what i'm hearing there is is maybe keep it at the

[3:32:20] Trustee Harris (probable): organization level yeah and

[3:32:24] Voice 3: then and then they could help frame any public questions

[3:32:28] Voice 3: I see them as sort of a building, you know, they use their own networks to start getting

[3:32:36] Voice 3: folks interested.

[3:32:37] Voice 3: But there may be a need to do some surveys, I see that, but that I think if you need conversations

[3:32:47] Voice 3: with those groups, so I think start there.

[3:32:54] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay, great.

[3:32:55] Voice 5: Anything else?

[3:32:57] Trustee Harris (probable): Nothing else.

[3:32:57] Trustee Harris (probable): Chair?

[3:32:58] Trustee Harris (probable): Am I rushing you?

[3:32:59] Trustee Harris (probable): no am i belaboring this conversation oh you're doing a magnificent um so that's great then so

[3:33:08] Voice 5: what i want to do then now is go to 14.3 but i want to have a five-minute recession okay thank

[3:33:13] Voice 5: you chair and so let's uh just recess for five minutes

[3:33:16] Trustee Harris (probable): and then let's uh get through the rest

[3:33:20] Trustee Harris (probable): the future

[3:33:20] Voice 9: screens

[3:37:02] Voice 2: okay

[3:37:11] Voice 5: well thank you for the break we're now at page 118 14.3 proposed bylaw

[3:37:18] Voice 5: number 537 accessory dwelling units back with the executive committee and uh the regional buying

[3:37:26] Voice 5: manager hutton has this on his uh portfolio and so i'm going to ask you to introduce it and then

[3:37:31] Voice 5: we'll come to trustees and see what you want to do with it

[3:37:34] Voice 10: sure uh i think we're all familiar with

[3:37:36] Voice 10: the uh uh this is bylaw number 537 to amend uh bylaw it proposes to allow uh basically creates

[3:37:48] Voice 10: regulations and modifies existing secondary suite regulations as well as creating new

[3:37:53] Voice 10: regulations for accessory rolling goods by defining them and just providing some small

[3:38:00] Voice 10: line of where they should be when they should be here they're silent exciting in addition it adds

[3:38:05] Voice 10: a scheduled m which indicates

[3:38:10] Trustee Harris (probable): where uh accessory dwellings would be allowed the regulations

[3:38:17] Trustee Harris (probable): basically clarify that where a secondary speed can take uh an edu are each

[3:38:23] Voice 10: permitted only one

[3:38:25] Voice 10: The by-law had received three readings back in January and went to assess the executive

[3:38:36] Voice 10: committee a week ago where it received approval, so it is now back for adoption.

[3:38:50] Voice 5: Yeah, I'll come to you in a second there, Jamie.

[3:38:52] Voice 5: I just actually like to characterize something a little differently, Chris, with RBM Hutton.

[3:38:58] Voice 5: um you said that it came back with approval i think that the executive kidney

[3:39:04] Voice 5: found that it

[3:39:06] Voice 5: complied with the policy statement and did not um offend the ocp um approval and adoption

[3:39:16] through adoption

[3:39:17] Trustee Harris (probable): existence of this lcc that's what we had adoptions against that's our

[3:39:26] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay, so thank you for that introduction, and Jamie Harris.

[3:39:30] Trustee Harris (probable): Oh, that's interesting what you're talking about. So before I get to what I need to say, when a bylaw goes through the readings and goes to executive committee, executive committee doesn't approve it, they just make sure that it complies with the OCP and also complies with the policy.

[3:39:52] Trustee Harris (probable): I was pretty concerned when I saw the letter from the SAL out regarding 537 and particularly

[3:40:14] Trustee Harris (probable): I really want to set the record straight because I saw that the letter says that the LTC, in

[3:40:23] Trustee Harris (probable): their own quotes, then said they would sponsor a potlatch to discuss bylaw 530.

[3:40:30] Trustee Harris (probable): And I've never said that, I'm part of the LTC, so I'd really like to set the record

[3:40:35] Trustee Harris (probable): record straight, because I'm very confused at who spoke to the Sallout and what was there

[3:40:49] Trustee Harris (probable): to say that we would sponsor a potlatch. There's a lot of confusion there. I was just hoping

[3:40:57] Trustee Harris (probable): we could set the record straight for that. I have heard some differing comments from

[3:41:04] Trustee Harris (probable): staff. I had one staff member back around that time I was concerned about this. I heard that

[3:41:10] Trustee Harris (probable): Trustee Patrick went as a citizen and then I didn't understand that because there was staff

[3:41:16] Trustee Harris (probable): in tow and then I heard that recently talking to staff said no no she was there as a trustee.

[3:41:23] Trustee Harris (probable): Very confusing to me and unfortunately it's kind of the version of some sort here at this point.

[3:41:36] Trustee Harris (probable): so i don't know how the record can be set straight but i'm wondering should the chair of the salt

[3:41:41] Trustee Harris (probable): and the ltc maybe write a letter to the south explaining um this was not an lstc decision to

[3:41:48] Trustee Harris (probable): sponsor a potlatch um because i know i think they may have been offended by uh by not uh

[3:41:59] Trustee Harris (probable): by engaging someone through by you know again who said what but um certainly there

[3:42:05] Trustee Harris (probable): wants to be some sort of record set strip and for that reason i'm definitely not ready to adopt this

[3:42:23] Trustee Harris (probable): too much here to make this is there something you could offer chair a welcome about setting

[3:42:27] Trustee Harris (probable): the record straight with the asylum um

[3:42:31] Voice 5: well i don't have any information i was not at that

[3:42:34] Voice 5: meeting um i don't really know who was at that meeting and so obviously we'll have patrick you

[3:42:40] Voice 5: at that meeting so i don't know if the president can assist you or were you at the point

[3:42:46] Voice 10: okay so

[3:42:49] Voice 5: can you help absolutely

[3:42:50] Voice 3: um as you recall in june the ministry of municipal

[3:42:56] Voice 3: affairs came to our cross council meeting and spoke to us about uh creating relationships and

[3:43:02] Voice 3: brought to mind when

[3:43:04] Voice 3: we expressed the health of relationships. I wrote a letter expressing

[3:43:10] Voice 3: as an individual trustee, this is my letter that I sent to you, to congratulate Chief

[3:43:16] Voice 3: Hill on this election. And I introduced myself and asked for a meeting to talk about how

[3:43:28] Voice 3: work for me together for that was the meeting the meeting was not about by 530. We had a

[3:43:41] Voice 3: meeting. He had a staff with him and I had stuff. And, and she helped me invite Adam

[3:43:56] Voice 3: Wilson. There was a good meeting, talked through. At the end, there was a suggestion made to

[3:44:05] Voice 3: host a feast with all 13 nations. That was a great idea. And when we left the meeting,

[3:44:21] Voice 3: it was the staff. At that time, there was no need to have any further decisions. We

[3:44:27] Voice 3: already had that motion that we had up on the table earlier about uh indigenous relations

[3:44:32] Voice 3: approach it was like boy this would be a cool indigenous relations approach very good and it

[3:44:38] Voice 3: was left to staff to work on develop the planning planning that event i think somewhat unfortunately

[3:44:44] Voice 3: that robin left us i

[3:44:46] Voice 10: can i can sort of pick it up there you know um following that meeting i

[3:44:52] Voice 10: to get to some direction with Black Academy and with the staff at SAO, we did continue the

[3:45:00] Voice 10: conversation around what the possibilities look like, and we're working to get some sort of buy-in

[3:45:07] from the SAO that there was a desire to proceed with that. Had that been an action that we wanted

[3:45:14] to pursue uh

[3:45:15] Voice 10: that would have come back to lpc to also uh talk about the idea uh this was not

[3:45:23] Voice 10: part of the the understanding of part of violence trust was that uh this was not the

[3:45:31] Voice 10: discussion about this feast was not surrounding uh the bylaws it was around uh our overall

[3:45:40] Voice 10: engagement and relationship building the process kind of slowed down a bit I think when

[3:45:48] Trustee Harris (probable): Debbie just left however I did throughout that process during the call last fall I did take on

[3:45:54] Trustee Harris (probable): the accessory calling events file on file I did advise staff in our meeting what we were doing

[3:46:02] with that at that time

[3:46:03] Voice 10: and we had the discussion back in I

[3:46:07] Voice 10: want to say November about whether or

[3:46:09] Voice 10: not the revised bylaw should be referred out um and discuss that at that time so um the consensus

[3:46:18] seems to be that uh we have the conversation this is a big file out we're ready to go so that's

[3:46:24] bringing up where we're at today until this this letter was received so um i think that it's

[3:46:30] probably chair probably worth following up and i know that uh that's working with director strainer

[3:46:37] Trustee Harris (probable): have been engaging with the staff and working

[3:46:41] Voice 10: to see if we can work at the leadership division

[3:46:44] Voice 10: level to address these concerns, to discuss what they've expressed, but there seems to

[3:46:50] Voice 10: be some miscommunication, misunderstanding of the intentions here, partly because of

[3:46:56] Voice 10: the business process and a bit of a running jumps and starts around the possibility of

[3:47:02] Trustee Harris (probable): the question okay thank you uh so uh

[3:47:08] Trustee Harris (probable): i supposed to respond to that letter but i had prepared what i wanted to talk about

[3:47:13] Trustee Harris (probable): for this bylaw today um it's going to be responsible chris

[3:47:21] Trustee Harris (probable): we're still not finished well i'm still very unclear as to who suggested we would have a

[3:47:28] Trustee Harris (probable): pot much and i always trust you to pay for it i i definitely didn't say that i'm part of the ltc

[3:47:36] Trustee Harris (probable): and like it clearly stays with the ltc that told us and she didn't have some sort of motion passed

[3:47:43] Trustee Harris (probable): you're saying there's a motion but no motion to to go to see them in opera and clearly

[3:47:52] Trustee Harris (probable): why the letter that they have written it needs to be taken serious

[3:48:00] Trustee Harris (probable): So I think the record really needs to be set straight.

[3:48:06] Trustee Harris (probable): I for one, until the record is set straight, I'm not in any way, shape or form able to support adoption of this Bible at this time.

[3:48:20] Voice 10: Mr. Chair, can I ask that question?

[3:48:21] Voice 10: sure um as noted uh conversations um held last fall were um around exploring what that would

[3:48:30] Voice 10: look like in terms of uh budget timeline um that would have been brought back to lpc but the

[3:48:36] Voice 10: discussion is internally mostly centered on the possibility of replacing uh you'll recall we

[3:48:42] received a grant of 150 000 for uh first nations relationship for purposes such as this and that

[3:48:49] was sort of the preliminary

[3:48:51] Voice 10: discussion it was not a contention for LTC to hold a budget we have a

[3:48:57] Voice 10: higher budget in the summer and this project should have access to that budget

[3:49:03] to undertake this part of the project work I

[3:49:09] Trustee Harris (probable): still don't understand that I wasn't involved

[3:49:11] Trustee Harris (probable): in that part of the LTC and elected official I didn't agree to and I don't even know if we have

[3:49:17] Trustee Harris (probable): that right to be doing that it was that type of picture i don't even know if we can do that kind

[3:49:23] Trustee Harris (probable): of intergovernmental uh contact without possibly even the island's trust council being involved

[3:49:31] Trustee Harris (probable): the record clearly needs to be set straight that letter is of great concern

[3:49:35] Trustee Harris (probable): chief elke is concerned and uh and i you know i i need to go on it needs to be on the record

[3:49:44] Trustee Harris (probable): trustee harris did not so say this so i i'm just like i can't there's no way i can approve

[3:49:55] Trustee Harris (probable): so there's a couple of different things in play um of

[3:50:01] Voice 5: which there's a number of reasons

[3:50:05] Voice 5: to this is determined to adopt or not adopt the biological stance now um certainly it has become

[3:50:12] Voice 5: I think I'm daylighting, to want a better term, that there was a conversation that happened.

[3:50:19] Voice 5: I don't know, I seem to remember hearing anecdotally that it might have been even somebody else

[3:50:27] Voice 5: that suggested that.

[3:50:29] Trustee Harris (probable): I'm not going to name names because it's appropriate, but that kind of a fallout kind of thing happened.

[3:50:34] Voice 5: And so I think that probably it was a kernel, a seed of an idea more than it was a formalized

[3:50:42] Voice 5: proposition so i don't think that uh that that would have been how it would was characterized

[3:50:49] Voice 5: and that um probably well let's see how we could do something like that would have been how that

[3:50:54] Voice 5: would have i could have been there and completely innocently got caught up in the excitement of that

[3:50:59] Voice 5: and said hey that's a great idea let's figure out how to do that so when we came back i'm pretty

[3:51:03] Voice 5: sure that chris was maybe i said hey figured something out and then that would have indeed

[3:51:08] Voice 5: be come back to the LTC as a formal process and say, hey, there's an opportunity to do

[3:51:13] Voice 5: this, and there's

[3:51:14] Voice 5: excitement on both sides of the table, and it's going to cost us much

[3:51:17] Voice 5: money or whatever it would unfold in that way.

[3:51:19] Voice 5: So I don't think we got to a place where there was a decision being made or necessarily even

[3:51:24] Voice 5: an invitation.

[3:51:25] Voice 5: And certainly, everybody could be excited.

[3:51:29] Voice 5: And the question becomes, or really becomes, what happened to that initial idea, that excitement?

[3:51:34] Voice 5: and why didn't we get to that place where we're going hey let's make this happen but i you know

[3:51:40] Voice 5: i do know there was a there was something out there i heard about it and i thought and i got

[3:51:45] Voice 5: oh that's a great idea but then it never moved on so um well i think that word is upsetting the

[3:51:54] Voice 5: record straight here there wasn't a decision you were not involved it was a suggestion that came

[3:52:00] Voice 5: out of the air in a conversation in a free-flowing informal conversation really um that um that said

[3:52:08] Voice 5: hey this would be a great idea what a great way to advance the conversation but it doesn't seem

[3:52:12] Voice 5: to be what the letter indicates from well yeah i just pulled up the letter here again just now uh

[3:52:18] Voice 5: unfortunately it's in a part of the agenda that makes it difficult because i wanted to capture

[3:52:22] Voice 5: what it was that was said but clearly there's hurt here but what's the better term and that

[3:52:28] Voice 5: that there was something of an idea that was put forward

[3:52:31] Voice 5: and we haven't followed through with it.

[3:52:33] Voice 5: And we can take responsibility for that, I think.

[3:52:37] Voice 5: And so let's fix it.

[3:52:40] Voice 5: I think we absolutely need to have a conversation

[3:52:42] Voice 5: about all of this with Sarah Lee.

[3:52:45] Voice 5: And now I'm gonna go to Laura

[3:52:47] Voice 5: because she has something else to offer,

[3:52:48] Voice 5: I think on this, is that okay?

[3:52:51] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:52:52] Voice 3: Well, I think it also speaks,

[3:52:54] Voice 3: we often say the nations don't have capacity

[3:52:59] Voice 3: We don't have capacity where a lot of this starts, and I think that's the work we talked

[3:53:04] Voice 3: about earlier.

[3:53:06] Voice 3: We're not going to get there if there aren't the right resources to it.

[3:53:13] Voice 3: I want to talk about bylaw 537 that originates from

[3:53:17] Voice 3: the summer of 2021, the housing task

[3:53:20] Voice 3: force recommendations to expand secondary suites across all zones.

[3:53:23] Voice 3: We saw the draft bylaw 528 in February 2022, saw draft bylaw 530 in April 2022, finally

[3:53:35] Voice 3: bylaw 537 in January 2024.

[3:53:38] Voice 3: From the beginning, the desire was to cast a wide net but limit the numbers.

[3:53:45] Voice 3: It was about creating a path toward legalizing accessory developments.

[3:53:50] Voice 3: lots of people that have been opposing the legalizing accessory dwelling units are also

[3:53:57] Voice 3: asking us to enforce more against the illegal short-term rentals we were prioritizing trying

[3:54:04] Voice 3: to make it how to legalize people to live in long-term and accessory dwelling units

[3:54:12] Voice 3: simply enforcing against illegal short-term rentals so that they might become illegal

[3:54:17] Voice 3: legal long-term rentals is not an appropriate response for an elected official. Yes, we have

[3:54:25] Voice 3: to improve management of short-term rentals, but we need to have a path to legalize long-term

[3:54:32] Voice 3: rentals. I am inclined to adopt Bylaw 537 as it introduces accessory dwelling unit regulations

[3:54:39] Voice 3: and it identifies 369 properties that already have permission to have a secondary suite,

[3:54:45] Voice 3: suite, but would now give them a choice to have either a secondary suite, suite and accessory

[3:54:51] Voice 3: building, or a freestanding cottage of choice.

[3:54:54] Voice 3: This is not an increase in density because these 369 properties already have a right

[3:55:01] Voice 3: for a secondary suite.

[3:55:03] Voice 3: I wish the concept of spot zoning process was contemplated back in the summer of 2021.

[3:55:10] Voice 3: Pushed and pushed for options to limit the numbers of units.

[3:55:13] Voice 3: If we proceed with a pilot program and spot zoning, it would have its own engagement with

[3:55:19] Voice 3: the process.

[3:55:21] Voice 3: I was in favor of moving quickly with this version of the bylaw because I believe the

[3:55:25] Voice 3: community was tired of hearing us talking about accessory building units and we had

[3:55:30] Voice 3: more important work to get to kicking off the OCP land by-law process.

[3:55:35] Voice 3: We should have done a better job in community.

[3:55:39] Voice 3: We should have sat down government to government with First Nations.

[3:55:42] Voice 3: We are on a

[3:55:44] Voice 3: journey of learning and relationship building, and it is a journey that's brought

[3:55:49] Voice 3: the folks and populace, but we should have.

[3:55:54] Voice 3: So where I've ended today is I'd like to hold off on adoption by a couple of months, and

[3:56:02] Voice 3: I'd like to make a resolution that we schedule a meeting between the local trust committee

[3:56:16] Trustee Harris (probable): I think the story and the information, they

[3:56:20] Trustee Harris (probable): deserve to hear the story.

[3:56:26] Voice 5: Okay, thank you.

[3:56:29] Voice 5: Thank you for that. I feel it necessary to make a couple of remarks, because we're talking about this letter that was sent to me.

[3:56:38] Voice 5: um and to executive committee um indeed i just now reread that section um where the

[3:56:49] Trustee Harris (probable): fall action was discussed and you can clearly see there that the impression is that the

[3:56:54] Trustee Harris (probable): salt spring island local trust committee was making that um offer according to how it was

[3:57:03] Trustee Harris (probable): received although you

[3:57:05] Voice 5: know i know well enough that all the

[3:57:07] Voice 5: people that would have been sitting

[3:57:08] Voice 5: at

[3:57:08] Trustee Harris (probable): that table would know

[3:57:09] Trustee Harris (probable): what the what the process would have been that would not have been offered

[3:57:14] Trustee Harris (probable): in

[3:57:15] Voice 5: that way but often we are misunderstood about how we somebody you know i have to be super

[3:57:21] Voice 5: careful in everything that i do that i'm speaking for myself or i'm speaking for an lgc or i'm

[3:57:26] Voice 5: speaking to the council and that is not necessarily universally understood so i'd say there's a

[3:57:32] Voice 5: misunderstanding here that we need to resolve that misunderstanding but just so that's sort of the

[3:57:38] Voice 5: last thing i want to say about the potlatch situation but what i want to do is just address

[3:57:43] Voice 5: some of the actions that i've taken um since the executive committee passed

[3:57:48] Trustee Harris (probable): this uh uh or not uh

[3:57:52] Trustee Harris (probable): indicated that it conformed with the policy statement and did not offend the sole renown

[3:57:57] Voice 5: ocp is indeed we had executive committee myself received that letter and i thought that it was

[3:58:05] Voice 5: necessary, given the content of the letter, when it says that the executive committee

[3:58:11] Voice 5: is going to approve this bylaw, it only had three readings and all that stuff, and that

[3:58:17] Voice 5: indeed that's not the process.

[3:58:19] Voice 5: It comes back to

[3:58:21] Trustee Harris (probable): you, ultimately, you can decide

[3:58:24] Voice 5: today to proceed no further, for instance.

[3:58:28] Voice 5: So we don't approve it.

[3:58:30] Voice 5: We just, it's another checkmark on the journey.

[3:58:33] Voice 5: So I wanted to reach out to their leadership to explain that so that we didn't create more offense.

[3:58:41] Voice 5: Claire and I have been unsuccessful. And so now it's six here.

[3:58:48] Voice 5: And I think both of you have indicated that you're not interested in moving this.

[3:58:52] Voice 5: And I think that that's very wise. And

[3:58:56] Voice 5: I think that indeed that you need to not

[3:58:59] Trustee Harris (probable): just refer this to say,

[3:59:01] Trustee Harris (probable): out but you need to have the conversation so so i would encourage you to do that so what i see at

[3:59:07] Trustee Harris (probable): this point is that this bylaw ought to be defeated we're going to be putting it off to engage deeper

[3:59:15] Trustee Harris (probable): with the cello and bring 530 on the new number and it's because that's what we said we were going to

[3:59:26] Trustee Harris (probable): top and when i look at their comprehensive community plan and they speak of they i'm sure

[3:59:35] Trustee Harris (probable): they want to talk if there's talk of infrastructure roads happening possibly in boulder on the

[3:59:42] Trustee Harris (probable): on their uh on cell land there maybe that would be part of the discussion but when i look at their

[3:59:48] Trustee Harris (probable): comprehensive plan what they're planning for uh the senate peninsula and the amount of commercial

[3:59:54] commercial land to be developed

[3:59:58] Trustee Harris (probable): as the

[4:00:00] Trustee Harris (probable): the large amount of land, high density market housing put on it, I think they would be completely in line with 530 and support us with 530.

[4:00:12] Trustee Harris (probable): 537 does not go far enough. We know we have a huge problem here with housing.

[4:00:18] Trustee Harris (probable): And 530, for that matter, won't even really go far enough. It'd be much better than 537.

[4:00:24] Trustee Harris (probable): So at this point, I would like to put a motion to vote to defeat.

[4:00:31] Trustee Harris (probable): by law 537 and open 538.1. Well, that's

[4:00:37] Voice 5: fair enough. I don't think that this doesn't necessarily

[4:00:41] Voice 5: take any particular action, except that you don't adopt it and indeed engage with it,

[4:00:47] Voice 5: say, to determine through that conversation what you want.

[4:00:52] Voice 3: Laura? Yeah,

[4:00:56] Voice 2: well, I mean, it's,

[4:00:57] Voice 2: I think

[4:00:57] Voice 3: right now, I think by law 537 is a good bylaw. I think we need to sit down with

[4:01:04] Voice 3: with the sale have a conversation yeah um and so uh you know i i'd like to to hold on to the

[4:01:18] adopt and let me leave it in its

[4:01:20] Voice 3: state it could sit here we don't have to adopt it today we can

[4:01:24] Voice 3: wait um so that's uh i think we should move to have this meeting as quickly as we can um and

[4:01:33] Voice 3: and then consider adoption after that.

[4:01:41] Trustee Harris (probable): Actual time is of the essence.

[4:01:43] Trustee Harris (probable): We were to defeat it today,

[4:01:45] Trustee Harris (probable): we would expediently apply a thermogon number

[4:01:50] Trustee Harris (probable): and start working with the process itself.

[4:01:57] Trustee Harris (probable): Seems that would be the best thing to do for a positive.

[4:02:02] Trustee Harris (probable): So I kind of would like to know,

[4:02:07] Trustee Harris (probable): you know this is a challenge for me right because um

[4:02:11] Trustee Harris (probable): i ended up having to be the decided vote and that's not a great place to be okay um

[4:02:18] Trustee Harris (probable): where are the problem stands peter well

[4:02:21] Voice 5: let's just make a

[4:02:22] Trustee Harris (probable): spot on like that's but that's not

[4:02:24] Voice 5: even on the table

[4:02:25] Trustee Harris (probable): but it needs to it was supposed to come together so if we're going to spend this

[4:02:30] Trustee Harris (probable): time we might as well do 5 30 to talk with the cell chief belky discuss what their plans are for

[4:02:36] Trustee Harris (probable): the land to be able to over and i'm sure that we could get support from them but they're not

[4:02:42] Trustee Harris (probable): going to go well i'm

[4:02:43] Voice 9: not sure of anything and

[4:02:44] Trustee Harris (probable): i think we want to be careful about that

[4:02:46] Voice 5: um um

[4:02:50] Voice 5: well um so i i totally get and understand that 530 doesn't go and tell correctly

[4:02:57] Voice 5: that bio 530

[4:02:59] Trustee Harris (probable): does not go far in your books and so you want to

[4:03:03] Trustee Harris (probable): say well sorry 537 does not go

[4:03:06] Trustee Harris (probable): go far enough for you, with comparison to about five, six.

[4:03:10] Trustee Harris (probable): And so your objection is to say let's go far enough.

[4:03:14] The

[4:03:15] Trustee Harris (probable): principle itself, I don't think you're in it

[4:03:18] Trustee Harris (probable): against the actual, what it is enabling.

[4:03:21] Trustee Harris (probable): The time

[4:03:22] Voice 6: that we have spent, thus far,

[4:03:24] Voice 6: but to give the community this,

[4:03:27] Voice 6: there's no way I can support it, like zero.

[4:03:29] Voice 6: And when I bent last fall to say, okay, let's do this

[4:03:34] Voice 6: because there was

[4:03:34] Trustee Harris (probable): this thought that was being purveyed that the spot

[4:03:41] Voice 6: zoning, this was going

[4:03:43] Voice 6: to be a way to get around the OCP challenge and then go come hand in hand and get the

[4:03:50] Voice 6: spot zoning together with the Biola 537, clearly that's not going to happen.

[4:03:54] Voice 6: As soon as I saw that, what the case was, I backed right off.

[4:03:58] Voice 6: I

[4:03:59] Trustee Harris (probable): never would have agreed if I knew it was going to come to this, to go with the 537.

[4:04:03] Trustee Harris (probable): He said, I'm back where I was.

[4:04:06] Trustee Harris (probable): Simple as that.

[4:04:09] Trustee Harris (probable): So, you know, it's like crying over spilled milk, right?

[4:04:13] Trustee Harris (probable): No, really.

[4:04:13] Trustee Harris (probable): We can fix it.

[4:04:16] Trustee Harris (probable): Well, you can start all over again, is what you're saying,

[4:04:18] Trustee Harris (probable): which seems to be contrary to your notion about let's get this done.

[4:04:22] Trustee Harris (probable): It's not really starting all over again.

[4:04:23] Trustee Harris (probable): The bylaw is there.

[4:04:24] Trustee Harris (probable): We

[4:04:25] Voice 6: just bring it up on a renewed note.

[4:04:26] Voice 6: We're going to have to go through three readings.

[4:04:27] Voice 6: We're going to sleep for a second reading.

[4:04:29] Voice 6: Yeah, we're going to still have a long way to go

[4:04:31] Voice 6: oh, because I guarantee this engagement we're going to have.

[4:04:35] Voice 6: And now that we're going to have this engagement,

[4:04:36] Voice 6: we ought to take advantage of that.

[4:04:39] Voice 6: And with it, because it's going to take time.

[4:04:41] Voice 6: So let's have something good come out of it,

[4:04:44] Voice 6: not the small little, you know,

[4:04:47] Voice 6: the silly idea that Trustee Patrick had put forward.

[4:04:50] Voice 6: Like the silly idea.

[4:04:51] Voice 6: No, she called it a silly idea.

[4:04:54] Voice 6: That was what she said.

[4:04:57] Voice 6: And we can go back to the minutes

[4:04:59] Voice 6: and there was quite a conversation there.

[4:05:01] Voice 6: And to me, that was the community at large's disservice, pushing a silly idea to pull Trustee Patrick, you know, as some means of fixing our community's housing crisis.

[4:05:12] Trustee Harris (probable): Sure.

[4:05:13] Voice 5: So, you know, I don't know. I don't really want to. We're a long ways apart, obviously.

[4:05:19] Voice 5: And I don't know that I want to invest the time in trying to get us closer.

[4:05:24] Voice 5: closer. But by law 537 advances housing on the island. It has elements of it that are

[4:05:33] Voice 5: good. I don't

[4:05:35] Trustee Harris (probable): agree with some of the conversations around by law 530. I think there are lots

[4:05:39] Trustee Harris (probable): of things in 530 that are also good. And I would like to see the LTC moving permanently

[4:05:43] Voice 5: towards that goal. And we're not talking about going and talking to SAIL and saying, hey,

[4:05:48] Voice 5: we just want to approve this. We're talking about developing it, not just with SAIL, but

[4:05:54] Voice 5: other all the other nations 13 nations i'm not mistaken um and and and your ocp and all of this

[4:06:03] Voice 5: other stuff it's not just one individual item it's all wrapped together but it's up to you what you

[4:06:09] Voice 5: want to do trustee patrick i

[4:06:11] Voice 3: just thought the spot zoning project has not gone away

[4:06:16] Voice 3: haven't even begun to work on it and i think that's going to solve a lot of issues yet where

[4:06:23] Voice 3: we're hoping. So that's, that's coming together. This is the, this was the thing that we came

[4:06:38] Voice 3: across sort of quickly in that meeting, the two together, by all five through seven by

[4:06:43] Voice 3: itself didn't do much, but if we have a path going forward in which people get added to

[4:06:48] Voice 3: the map, it's kind of exciting, but that's a whole separate path and we're not there

[4:06:53] Voice 3: area, but I'm not giving up on it. I will attempt a motion. I move that the Salt Spring

[4:07:04] Voice 3: Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a meeting between the Local Trust

[4:07:10] Voice 3: Committee and

[4:07:11] Trustee Harris (probable): the Seattle First Nation State Chief of Council.

[4:07:19] Trustee Harris (probable): Leadership.

[4:07:21] Trustee Harris (probable): Leadership.

[4:07:22] Trustee Harris (probable): Absolutely.

[4:07:23] Trustee Harris (probable): Thank you.

[4:07:23] Trustee Harris (probable): sure we have and of course that has to go through this the fellow that wrote to us on that and she

[4:07:29] Trustee Harris (probable): can't help us out there chris we should just be direct sorry i said like as we just say

[4:07:34] Trustee Harris (probable): between the local press committee and say our leadership say our first nation leadership

[4:07:41] Voice 9: just to just to clarify the chair or you

[4:07:53] Voice 10: have a brochure yeah we're working on a motion okay

[4:07:55] Voice 10: Okay, I guess I did want to say that you, you have a comment about

[4:08:00] Voice 10: My life. So if you want to have this like we can we don't this doesn't

[4:08:05] Voice 10: Be concerned to talk about the short history of being loose in all of the nations to this housing action program initiative. So we can we can go through the whole thing.

[4:08:19] uh present the obvious that we've discussed and literally say that's the direction that you want

[4:08:26] to go in

[4:08:27] Voice 10: as we're going to be talking about all of those things and america better get an

[4:08:34] Voice 10: understanding of where we're at with all of

[4:08:37] Trustee Harris (probable): what i'm certain you

[4:08:39] Voice 10: said whether it's bylaw 537

[4:08:42] Trustee Harris (probable): today or bylaw 530 has existed about eight months ago i'm

[4:08:56] Voice 5: interested in advancing a motion but i

[4:08:58] Voice 5: But I just want to say, I don't want to get lost in the technicalities of whatever it is we're planning in terms of planning and land use and zoning and spot zoning and ATUs and other things.

[4:09:10] Voice 5: Because what needs to fundamentally happen here is we need to have a conversation, a sale leadership, to talk about a number of things of which housing is one.

[4:09:25] Trustee Harris (probable): technicality those it's a big difference it's not really a technicality 530 to 537 quite distant

[4:09:31] Trustee Harris (probable): from wealth not just saying

[4:09:34] Trustee Harris (probable): with respect to the what we're trying to

[4:09:37] Trustee Harris (probable): resolve all these other

[4:09:38] Trustee Harris (probable): aspects of how it is the little trust does well you know i i i wouldn't be able to support that

[4:09:47] Trustee Harris (probable): at this point i think the record needs to be set straight with the chief and stating that the ltc

[4:09:54] Trustee Harris (probable): did not decide this. I did

[4:09:56] Trustee Harris (probable): not say

[4:09:58] Trustee Harris (probable): we'll have a fallout or sponsor.

[4:10:00] Trustee Harris (probable): So we could do that in a conversation

[4:10:02] Trustee Harris (probable): that we have.

[4:10:04] Trustee Harris (probable): Maybe that record should be

[4:10:06] Trustee Harris (probable): set straight first before we

[4:10:08] Trustee Harris (probable): go asking for more.

[4:10:13] Trustee Harris (probable): I shouldn't be having to apologize.

[4:10:16] Trustee Harris (probable): You should not have.

[4:10:17] Trustee Harris (probable): I shouldn't be having to because I wasn't

[4:10:19] Trustee Harris (probable): there. I didn't say we were going to sponsor a fallout

[4:10:21] Trustee Harris (probable): and then go ahead

[4:10:23] Trustee Harris (probable): and get it to the point that it's at.

[4:10:26] Trustee Harris (probable): So the record needs to be set straight.

[4:10:28] Trustee Harris (probable): There's an apology if it's not necessary.

[4:10:30] Trustee Harris (probable): There ought to be one,

[4:10:32] Trustee Harris (probable): and the record should be set straight

[4:10:34] Trustee Harris (probable): that it wasn't the LTC that decided

[4:10:40] Trustee Harris (probable): to hold a fallout, should sponsor it.

[4:10:47] Trustee Harris (probable): You

[4:10:47] Voice 9: know, I think one of the things

[4:10:55] Trustee Harris (probable): that was going on there last week

[4:10:59] Trustee Harris (probable): with respect to the letter addressed

[4:11:03] Trustee Harris (probable): was at the motion that came out of the executive committee meeting, it's a letter that we sent

[4:11:08] Trustee Harris (probable): it there to advise the decision, the executive committee, and to some extent explain the

[4:11:16] Trustee Harris (probable): situation. So what we're talking

[4:11:21] Voice 5: about is responding to this letter, right? And however

[4:11:26] Voice 5: that is, I'm going to rely upon staff to assist with that, and that's why I've been here.

[4:11:32] Voice 5: is clear because we need this letter is to the executive committee it's not to the LTC

[4:11:39] Voice 5: and that is going to act I've already got direction to do that and the notion was well

[4:11:45] Voice 5: let's have a conversation and that hasn't happened so now we're going to move to the next stage

[4:11:49] Voice 5: to a more formal level of outreach

[4:11:54] Trustee Harris (probable): the record needs to be set straight absolutely the letter

[4:11:58] Trustee Harris (probable): what it says. That's not what the

[4:12:00] Trustee Harris (probable): South Green LPC said. Yes, I agree.

[4:12:02] Trustee Harris (probable): So before we do,

[4:12:03] Trustee Harris (probable): you have to set the record straight

[4:12:06] Trustee Harris (probable): first, and

[4:12:08] Trustee Harris (probable): then say, probably that's the

[4:12:10] Trustee Harris (probable): first part of the letter, or however it is.

[4:12:13] Trustee Harris (probable): I'm inclined to want to ask

[4:12:14] Trustee Harris (probable): our leadership how they would like to

[4:12:17] Trustee Harris (probable): discuss it.

[4:12:19] Trustee Harris (probable): I would like my name for the record

[4:12:21] Trustee Harris (probable): to the South saying that

[4:12:23] Trustee Harris (probable): Trustee Harris was not involved.

[4:12:28] Voice 6: And I didn't, you know, that's

[4:12:31] Voice 6: okay i

[4:12:32] Voice 5: can say that i can i can do that in my communication that it was

[4:12:43] Voice 2: the individuals

[4:12:43] Voice 2: representing

[4:12:44] Voice 5: themselves that were at the meeting

[4:12:46] Trustee Harris (probable): that made representation about

[4:12:48] Trustee Harris (probable): the potential for a problem i think that it was nice to bring ltc it's not absolutely

[4:12:54] Trustee Harris (probable): i think that's completely reasonable and i can do that i'm looking in my

[4:13:00] Trustee Harris (probable): of which i will work with claire so

[4:13:05] Voice 5: let's bring us back to emotions in the works and see where

[4:13:10] Voice 5: that's going to go because now this is the salt spring lgc making a decision i mean yeah i just

[4:13:18] Voice 3: have i think just scheduling a meeting with this what happens can you

[4:13:23] Voice 9: bring a motion back

[4:13:24] Voice 11: uh that the salt spring island local trust committee

[4:13:27] Voice 11: request to have to schedule a meeting with the LTC and say say say a First

[4:13:33] Voice 11: Nation leadership.

[4:13:37] Voice 9: Okay that's moved. I honestly think

[4:13:53] Trustee Harris (probable): this needs to be deferred

[4:13:54] Trustee Harris (probable): until the record is set straight. At this point we're not preparing to move forward. I would love to talk

[4:14:01] Trustee Harris (probable): with them. The record has to be set straight. Well that's

[4:14:09] Voice 5: fine too I guess.

[4:14:10] Voice 5: Yes. I think that there's no harm in being careful.

[4:14:21] Voice 5: Absolutely. You know, absolutely. And all I can say is trust me, but that's up to you.

[4:14:30] Voice 5: I would suggest that we're trying with

[4:14:34] Voice 5: all effort to get the communication out.

[4:14:36] Voice 5: And I suggest that that's going to happen immediately.

[4:14:40] Voice 5: immediately, and this correspondent would follow in due course, respecting that necessity

[4:14:46] Voice 5: to be careful, to make you set the record straight, and then that can follow up with

[4:14:52] Voice 5: a letter and indeed advise them that there's a letter coming from them.

[4:14:57] Voice 5: I would like to be able to say that there is a communication coming from the Social

[4:15:00] Voice 5: and Global Trust

[4:15:01] Trustee Harris (probable): Committee to engage with you on the topics that you've read, like that's

[4:15:05] Trustee Harris (probable): the way I see that character.

[4:15:06] Trustee Harris (probable): i would feel much more comfortable with that if that was to happen in concession so we set

[4:15:11] Trustee Harris (probable): the record straight so i know i think it's perfectly reasonable for that to happen and

[4:15:16] Trustee Harris (probable): and then we send a letter yes we can talk about that at the next yes oh sending the letter at the

[4:15:23] Trustee Harris (probable): next meeting yeah we need to

[4:15:25] Trustee Harris (probable): send this letter we send a letter now but it just sets the record

[4:15:28] Trustee Harris (probable): straight all right let's

[4:15:31] Voice 3: have a meeting with some let's set the

[4:15:34] Voice 3: record reasonable person let's sit

[4:15:35] Trustee Harris (probable): The letter is very clear. The record needs to be set straight. I don't see how is it

[4:15:41] Trustee Harris (probable): like.

[4:15:42] Trustee Harris (probable): So what I'm telling you, Jamie, and then once the record is set straight, then we can go

[4:15:47] Trustee Harris (probable): ahead and.

[4:15:51] Trustee Harris (probable): So what I'm saying is exactly that can happen, will happen. What would be ideal is to have

[4:15:58] Trustee Harris (probable): permission today to direction for that second follow up letter to occur so that I can say

[4:16:06] Trustee Harris (probable): in my letter that there is a letter coming from the solvent local trust committee we're requesting

[4:16:11] Trustee Harris (probable): a meeting we're not writing a letter well we're resting a meeting yeah so there'll be a request

[4:16:17] Trustee Harris (probable): coming from the solvent but there will be a letter setting spirit straight yes

[4:16:23] Trustee Harris (probable): not from the assault from myself because that issue was raised with me

[4:16:47] Trustee Harris (probable): until that's sent i can't i'm not requesting anything it's okay

[4:16:52] Trustee Harris (probable): i'm going to send a motion i feel that i have to um because we are going to set it right

[4:17:00] Trustee Harris (probable): so i've seconded the motion and i'll call

[4:17:05] Trustee Harris (probable): this guy no separate that's our call

[4:17:10] Trustee Harris (probable): any post one opposed all of that noted please and thank you for the reasons i stated

[4:17:21] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay.

[4:17:24] Voice 5: If there's no further action on 537, and that will just sit until we take action.

[4:17:32] Voice 5: So then

[4:17:32] Trustee Harris (probable): I will continue on our business today.

[4:17:38] Trustee Harris (probable): So

[4:17:39] Voice 5: this next section goes quickly policy and standing resolutions list. That's for information

[4:17:45] Voice 5: We've

[4:17:46] Trustee Harris (probable): asked a future meeting we may please to make some amendments there.

[4:17:53] Voice 3: Say again?

[4:17:54] Voice 3: I had another question on 16.5.

[4:17:57] Voice 5: Okay, go ahead.

[4:17:59] Voice 3: Well, I think I know we've had some conversations with Warren.

[4:18:02] Voice 3: No other conversations with Warren following on what Rob Benton talked about this morning,

[4:18:20] Voice 3: So I think that needs to be revisited and I think Warren agreed it needed to be revisited so in email conversations in

[4:18:28] Voice 3: the last week or so. So do we need to make a motion

[4:18:33] Voice 3: to ask to

[4:18:34] Trustee Harris (probable): stand on this motion?

[4:18:37] Trustee Harris (probable): which kind of number it is, page 124, to ask staff to draft some options to update that,

[4:18:47] Trustee Harris (probable): or to clarify it, or what would be the right move?

[4:18:49] Trustee Harris (probable): You

[4:18:49] Voice 10: would like that to draft a provision to the notice to address the terminology under this?

[4:19:01] Voice 3: Yeah, right. The section's inside of it.

[4:19:06] Voice 10: That's about as short as I can make it.

[4:19:08] Voice 9: No, sorry, sorry, sorry, we'll get it, she's pretty quick.

[4:19:35] Voice 9: You request that.

[4:19:36] Voice 11: Oh, that's it.

[4:19:39] Voice 9: Yep.

[4:19:40] Voice 11: .

[4:19:46] Voice 3: So is this

[4:19:47] Voice 3: 2019

[4:19:49] Voice 5: -153?

[4:19:50] Voice 5: 17.

[4:19:52] Voice 5: Oh, 2019-153?

[4:19:55] Trustee Harris (probable): On page 133.

[4:19:57] Trustee Harris (probable): Yep.

[4:19:58] Trustee Harris (probable): The topic is a lot of work.

[4:19:59] Trustee Harris (probable): Yep.

[4:20:00] Trustee Harris (probable): Okay, thank you.

[4:20:01] Trustee Harris (probable): That's three resolutions.

[4:20:02] Trustee Harris (probable): so just cite the numbers you want to yeah are you okay with this i'm trying to find it

[4:20:18] Voice 5: what's the um number is it twenty one oh six twenty nine

[4:20:22] Voice 11: twenty twenty two zero okay

[4:20:33] Trustee Harris (probable): time. And that's

[4:20:36] Trustee Harris (probable): been amended. So yeah, I've made a step out of these all the consolidated

[4:20:45] Trustee Harris (probable): statute, which is going to this one is the one that's going to be meant to protect,

[4:20:51] Trustee Harris (probable): which we talked about was to the warning. No, this

[4:20:55] Trustee Harris (probable): is a different no, this is the one that

[4:20:57] Trustee Harris (probable): probably that chat says right. And the fact that we're still enforcing

[4:21:10] Trustee Harris (probable): So can we

[4:21:10] Voice 3: get a motion?

[4:21:11] Voice 3: I'm sorry, there's debating.

[4:21:15] Voice 3: Okay.

[4:21:18] Voice 10: But

[4:21:18] Voice 11: there are others.

[4:21:20] Voice 10: I hope we can

[4:21:22] Voice 10: wrap up.

[4:21:23] Voice 10: The resolution on page 133 of your agenda.

[4:21:25] Voice 10: Sure.

[4:21:26] Voice 10: And

[4:21:26] Voice 3: what are we, what could be the

[4:21:28] Voice 3: wording, Chris, sorry,

[4:21:31] Voice 3: throughout the

[4:21:32] Voice 3: revision, just say that revision.

[4:21:35] Voice 3: You don't need any more details on that.

[4:21:37] Voice 3: yeah okay so i move that the assaulting local trust video press is out to draft a revision

[4:21:43] Voice 3: to the standing resolution on wellings uh which is on page 133 of the agenda page

[4:21:50] Voice 5: excellent moved seconder i seconded you're okay with it and i'll call for the vote

[4:21:58] Voice 5: so i'm going to move on then 16.2 future projects is there any conversation here

[4:22:06] Voice 5: Okay. Okay. Receive the information. Active projects. Receive the information. Okay.

[4:22:16] All right.

[4:22:17] Voice 5: You chime in, Chris, if there's something going on here.

[4:22:20] Voice 5: Nothing really.

[4:22:21] Voice 5: 16.4 has applications with status report. Any questions on any of the applications?

[4:22:30] Voice 5: Okay. Expense reports, nothing. Office of Conservancy Board, nothing at this time.

[4:22:37] Voice 5: We've done the closed meeting. Thank you.

[4:22:44] Voice 5: So the next meeting of the Sotheby's Local Trust Committee, 9.30, April 11th, at this

[4:22:50] Voice 5: location.

[4:22:53] Voice 5: And if there's no further business today, I'll call for an adjournment.

[4:22:56] Voice 5: All those in favor, take care, and thank you very much for a great day, and I'm glad we

[4:23:02] Voice 5: did part of this conversation.