Gambier Island Local Trust Committee public hearing, May 28, 2024

[0:00:01] Voice 3: So, let us begin then. So, hello, everybody. Welcome to the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee meeting. There we go. We've got live recording now, too. And so, welcome, and welcome to members of the public for joining us on the live stream and viewing this session later on. Thank you.

[0:00:23] Voice 3: you. My name is Peter Luckum. I'm elected on Thetis Island, and that's in Lackson and

[0:00:32] Voice 3: Lack and all the territory. And I'm every day grateful to be able to live and work in

[0:00:38] Voice 3: Kosher's territory. So here we find ourselves today, Gambit Keats in Squamish territory

[0:00:44] Voice 3: normally. We find ourselves here in North Vancouver for our meeting, which of course

[0:00:49] Voice 3: is Musqueam and, sorry, is Sabertooth and Squamish Territory, and grateful to be here

[0:00:57] Voice 3: in this place. And so I'm going to turn to the trustees for anything you want to say,

[0:01:04] Voice 3: and then we'll adopt the agenda and continue on.

[0:01:07] Voice 5: Hi, I'm

[0:01:08] Voice 5: Kate Lee Stanford, here representing Chaldowich and Gambier Island Council.

[0:01:18] Voice 5: Joe Ternardo.

[0:01:18] Voice 5: My

[0:01:19] Voice 4: name is Joe Bernardo, representing Lake Tyne, also known as Keynes Island, but of

[0:01:23] Voice 4: course the whole Canberra Trust area as well.

[0:01:28] Voice 3: Okay, and we also have with us Marlos Nicarga, our planner, supporting us today.

[0:01:34] Voice 3: Thank you for joining us.

[0:01:37] Voice 3: So I have an agenda before us, and I'll just ask if there's a call to meet the order, and

[0:01:42] Voice 3: just ask if there's anything to add or remove from the agenda.

[0:01:44] Voice 3: to have either coming or going off route

[0:01:48] Voice 5: three so then we'll see how summer goes with that

[0:01:51] Voice 5: and i think i'll leave it at that

[0:01:54] Voice 4: thank you chair um i'll try to be brief uh i don't have a lot of

[0:02:00] Voice 4: keys or gambier trust area specific issues to report on but mostly matters that are general

[0:02:06] Voice 4: interests that apply to the trust area generally with one exception and it's really not something

[0:02:13] Voice 4: i should have to report on it's a matter of public record we had decided the last meeting but july

[0:02:19] Voice 4: 31 is going to be the date for the public hearing that we're going to hold to uh consider the keeps

[0:02:25] Voice 4: the island for short project related bylaws uh details on location and particular timing will

[0:02:34] Voice 4: will follow and uh as will background mature um in terms of the general issues of referring to

[0:02:43] Voice 4: before. Our current chief administrative officer at the trust is going to be leaving June 30th.

[0:02:51] Voice 4: The hiring committee has had a fair bit of progress. It's been slower than we would hope.

[0:03:00] Voice 4: It's just the nature of the situation. We've selected an executive search firm,

[0:03:05] Voice 4: which is going to help us find a permanent candidate. The interim, right now we're in

[0:03:13] Voice 4: the process of doing the work required to appoint an interim CEO for that interim period

[0:03:20] Voice 4: between searching for a perfect candidate.

[0:03:27] Voice 4: Another general issue, in fact it's an enduring issue that's been hanging over the trust for

[0:03:33] Voice 4: some time, is whether the structure of the Dallas Trust needs to be amended to make it

[0:03:38] Voice 4: more effective in meeting the challenges of the future, which aren't necessarily the challenges

[0:03:42] Voice 4: was that the trust was facing.

[0:03:46] Voice 4: It's a big open question.

[0:03:49] Voice 4: I don't think we're going to solve it at the trust itself.

[0:03:52] Voice 4: It's a question of how to engage the province.

[0:03:55] Voice 4: And the governance committee is working on analysis along those lines

[0:03:59] Voice 4: with the need to eventually bring that analysis to trust council

[0:04:03] Voice 4: and consider as to what, if anything, from that presentation

[0:04:08] Voice 4: they could keep bringing forward to the province.

[0:04:10] Voice 4: and finally just recently the draft staff made available to trustees the draft trust policy

[0:04:21] Voice 4: statement that has been in progress for quite some time in a long period of development

[0:04:28] Voice 4: and trustees now face the challenge of getting their hands around this and reaching consensus

[0:04:35] Voice 4: about what the area one trust policy statement should actually say impossible to predict how

[0:04:42] Voice 4: that's going to work out but i imagine there's going to be a very good debate thank you okay

[0:04:48] Voice 3: very good thank you so um so my own chair's report um uh sit on similar committees to what the bill

[0:04:58] Voice 3: does the equity reporting on the cohc that's ongoing work um on thursday here we've got

[0:05:06] Voice 3: the first session of council uh committee of the whole that's a new method of meeting that

[0:05:14] Voice 3: that we've never done before at the Allen's Trust

[0:05:15] Voice 3: and really looking forward to having that

[0:05:18] Voice 3: conversational discussion framework to work in

[0:05:21] Voice 3: where recommendations would then ultimately go to

[0:05:24] Voice 3: Council for decision-making to non-decision-making meeting,

[0:05:28] Voice 3: Committee of the Whole.

[0:05:29] Voice 3: And so looking forward to that.

[0:05:34] Voice 3: And otherwise we're preparing for Council in June

[0:05:38] Voice 3: and that requires meeting of all of the committees,

[0:05:41] Voice 3: Finance, Regional Planning, Trust Area Services

[0:05:43] Voice 3: services and checking on the status of the work throughout the federation and so that's

[0:05:47] Voice 3: coming up in june on salisbury island so i think that's all i'll share although i will

[0:05:53] Voice 3: remark because you mentioned fiber optic landed on keats fiber optic actually landed at my

[0:05:59] Voice 3: house about three weeks ago now and um it's blindingly fast oh

[0:06:06] Voice 5: is that okay so

[0:06:07] Voice 3: i had i

[0:06:08] Voice 3: had starlink before which was pretty good so

[0:06:11] Voice 5: that's on gambier i'm thinking yes he'll be

[0:06:15] Voice 5: coming soon so it's basically on the

[0:06:17] Voice 5: schedule so it keeps us next year but

[0:06:19] Voice 3: anyway just so you know

[0:06:20] Voice 3: uh he's got is connected and rolling out across the island that was one of the

[0:06:24] Voice 3: early connections fortunately that's made a big difference so let us continue on with

[0:06:31] Voice 3: our delegations we don't have any delegations today um a public comment period is an opportunity

[0:06:38] Voice 3: Oh, I'm sorry, I skipped over that.

[0:06:41] Voice 3: Electoral area director, Kate from Stanford, over to you for your regional district half.

[0:06:49] Voice 5: So there's a lot going on in the regional district, but a lot of it doesn't have to

[0:06:52] Voice 5: do with the islands.

[0:06:53] Voice 5: So I'm going to stick with topics that are of interest to the islands.

[0:06:57] Voice 5: There was a boards monitoring committee meeting yesterday, and that covers representatives

[0:07:04] Voice 5: representatives from all the areas, all the docks, both on the islands, on the mainland.

[0:07:11] Voice 5: The updates were they're working as hard as they can to do construction for Keats Landing,

[0:07:20] Voice 5: recognizing that that is quite an issue, that there is no vehicle traffic on the Keats Landing

[0:07:27] Voice 5: for the summer. It really impacts the camp as well as the local residents in that area.

[0:07:32] Voice 5: And really recognizing both those docks, both Unkeeds and Eastbourne, they are emergency service access points and they have to be maintained in a certain way in order to accommodate just the basic emergency access.

[0:07:50] Voice 5: Transit, the buses changed their schedules and we're looking at increasing the transit throughout the coast.

[0:07:57] Voice 5: coast uh not as fast as we'd like but one of the budget items for this year starting September all

[0:08:07] Voice 5: school-aged students up to age 18 will get free transit on the Sunshine Coast and we're hoping

[0:08:14] Voice 5: to see that roll out across the province so we'll see how that goes uh there's a initiative to do a

[0:08:22] Voice 5: fire service expansion along area f right now the standard for uh fire services uh on the sunshine

[0:08:31] Voice 5: coast is an eight kilometer um from a a fire hall and there are a few homes including the big ymca

[0:08:42] Voice 5: that are not in the fire service and as insurance impacts or lack of insurance it's becoming a

[0:08:50] Voice 5: bigger and bigger issue for rural homes this fire expansion is quite important but the implications

[0:09:03] Voice 6: um

[0:09:04] Voice 5: and i'm bringing that up just because it's you know if we're looking at fire services on

[0:09:12] Voice 5: the islands this is a an understanding of how complex the issue is but alternatively

[0:09:20] Voice 5: how it's becoming front and center as more and more islanders contact me saying they are unable

[0:09:26] Voice 5: to get any kind of insurance for their homes uh i visited the paper excellence house sound mill

[0:09:35] Voice 5: um it's so far outside my expertise um it's a huge part of the west house sound area and not

[0:09:47] Voice 5: just the smell but the activity along the mill uh one of one of the activities with the paper

[0:09:55] Voice 5: excellence is they are housing workers for wood fiber lng project so they use water taxis to bring

[0:10:03] Voice 5: the workers back and forth at this point their hotel which is sitting in an imo it's not being

[0:10:11] Voice 5: permitted into house out into the squamish area i um i'm keeping an eye on it because there might be

[0:10:19] Voice 5: a potential that they start looking towards sunshine coast or porridge for that hotel

[0:10:25] Voice 5: i haven't heard anything to that effect but they're not permitted uh to date in the squamish

[0:10:31] Voice 5: area uh which could then have an impact not just on scrd but on the islands trust if they move down

[0:10:39] Voice 5: towards scampier and i think i'll leave it at that okay

[0:10:45] Voice 3: thank you thank you for the update on the

[0:10:48] Voice 3: flotel because it certainly is a question in the gabriola uh local trustee area where it's anchored

[0:10:54] Voice 6: yeah

[0:10:54] Voice 3: and i've been wondering why it's been sitting there for so long and so we've answered that

[0:10:59] Voice 3: question so they're actually commuting from the nine will harbor authority territory no they're

[0:11:05] Voice 5: commuting yet oh no that there's a housing portion of paper excellence mill in port mellon and they're

[0:11:14] Voice 5: water taxing there but they're going to need more worker accommodation so the flotel is for the full

[0:11:21] Voice 5: construction crew and squamish district said no to their mortgage in the

[0:11:28] Voice 5: squamish area temporary

[0:11:30] Voice 5: very used permit that was protected

[0:11:32] Voice 5: so i think that's known

[0:11:34] Voice 3: as within the regional district of

[0:11:37] Voice 3: minnesota yeah yeah

[0:11:38] Voice 5: and um so now we're just wondering what the next steps i think everybody's

[0:11:42] Voice 5: wondering what's going to happen next but yeah it is oh

[0:11:45] Voice 4: there we go

[0:11:48] Voice 4: just one question because the location of that motel could well make a difference

[0:11:56] Voice 4: side it's trusted um what's the underlying reason that the temporary use permit is rejected

[0:12:04] Voice 4: as far as i understand

[0:12:05] Voice 5: it was um lack of transparency specific information around

[0:12:12] Voice 5: sewage disposal general garbage disposal things like that and uh just a concern about how it

[0:12:21] Voice 5: impact the socially the look um if it could be changed um but those are also concerns that we

[0:12:30] Voice 5: can have if it moved into a different

[0:12:32] Voice 4: area yeah how many people are we talking about

[0:12:37] Voice 4: yeah it's

[0:12:41] Voice 5: a question like

[0:12:42] Voice 3: two or three stories

[0:12:44] Voice 5: so

[0:12:45] Voice 3: i

[0:12:46] Voice 5: think the estimate is that there's again it's between 80 and 200 people are coming out of

[0:12:52] Voice 5: house out health and paper now and then it goes it's

[0:12:58] Planner (probable): about another 500.

[0:12:59] Planner (probable): yeah um 650 workers potentially could house on

[0:13:05] Voice 5: that show okay so

[0:13:07] Voice 4: we're not talking about

[0:13:07] Voice 4: this is the opposite of frugal impact it's a pretty serious thing okay right now it's

[0:13:15] Voice 5: it's not part of our jurisdiction i just don't yeah

[0:13:18] Voice 4: but i have

[0:13:19] Voice 5: been keeping an eye on it it's

[0:13:20] Voice 4: interesting yeah

[0:13:21] Voice 4: it's relevant yeah

[0:13:22] Voice 3: thank you okay so thank you for that report so now we'll

[0:13:26] Voice 3: move to public comments an opportunity for um people in our audience today and anybody that's

[0:13:33] Voice 3: on the line with us and i'll ask lisa do we have any members on the line i don't have that up on

[0:13:38] Voice 3: my screen uh

[0:13:42] Voice 2: chair we uh as a live meeting we do not have members online they are only online if

[0:13:50] Voice 2: if it's a webinar through an electronic meeting.

[0:13:52] Voice 3: I'll see, okay.

[0:13:54] Voice 3: Thank you, Dan.

[0:13:55] Voice 3: So gentlemen, I actually wish to address

[0:13:57] Voice 3: the local trust committee today on some important item.

[0:14:00] Voice 3: Yeah, I'm just, I

[0:14:02] Voice 4: guess the only one curious thing.

[0:14:03] Voice 4: Your name for the-

[0:14:04] Voice 4: Oh, sorry, I'm Andrew Kennedy.

[0:14:06] Voice 4: Thank you, Andrew.

[0:14:08] Voice 4: Property on Cambier in Long Bay.

[0:14:09] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:14:11] Guess one question I have,

[0:14:13] I've been out of loop on a lot of the meetings

[0:14:15] for the last years.

[0:14:17] I don't know

[0:14:18] Voice 4: where you guys stand with the riparian um uh bylaws in terms of planning

[0:14:24] Voice 4: you guys comment on those or what's that that's been is that is that

[0:14:32] Voice 3: on the agenda

[0:14:32] Voice 3: that is not on today's agenda there's a shoreline development permit process on

[0:14:36] Voice 3: Keats Island that we're talking about I'm not sure about Gambia where we're at there

[0:14:41] Voice 5: Rapport was passed several

[0:14:43] Voice 3: years ago yeah

[0:14:44] Voice 9: but that was so the riparian was passed

[0:14:47] Voice 9: that's just a 30 meter uh for rivers and stuff streams for

[0:14:52] Voice 5: a wrapper yeah yeah let's let the

[0:14:56] Voice 5: planner and

[0:14:56] Voice 3: you could engage with a planner uh yeah outside of the meeting okay it's not on

[0:15:00] Voice 3: today's agenda but i'm certainly happy to answer because it's useful to others

[0:15:05] Voice 3: there's an answer there

[0:15:06] Planner (probable): is well i don't have a short answer but there's a development permit

[0:15:09] Planner (probable): permit area on Gambier which has a lot of different conditions and uh I'd be happy to kind of go

[0:15:17] Planner (probable): through what that means for either your particular property or if you had uh questions yeah Kevin I

[0:15:24] Voice 5: can also send you the brochure that we have sure um about it so I can get that if I can get your

[0:15:30] Voice 5: email yeah yeah yeah

[0:15:32] Voice 4: it's I think you're not saying it's going to be Kennedy before I keep on

[0:15:35] Voice 4: Four?

[0:15:37] Voice 6: F-O-R?

[0:15:38] Voice 4: Yeah, four. Yeah, another number four.

[0:15:40] Voice 6: Okay, cool.

[0:15:44] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:15:46] Voice 5: Because we, I think one of the slightly unusual aspects of this is the whole island has a DPA riparian.

[0:15:56] Voice 5: And so you have to have that clarified before you move ahead with any construction.

[0:16:05] Voice 5: So you assign

[0:16:06] Voice 5: a form just saying whether you are or not 30 meters.

[0:16:11] Voice 5: And then if you are, then there's other steps.

[0:16:15] Voice 5: I

[0:16:15] Voice 6: can see you in that.

[0:16:16] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:16:20] Voice 3: Okay, great. Thanks, Katie.

[0:16:22] Voice 3: So then I'm going to continue on then to our minutes.

[0:16:26] Voice 3: We don't have the local trust committee minutes here from our previous meeting today.

[0:16:30] Voice 3: We have a fairly long resolution without meeting a report before us, which is decisions that

[0:16:36] Voice 3: we've made without the context of a discussion or a meeting, mostly around rescheduling meetings

[0:16:44] Voice 3: and approval of File 158, being on contrary with the Board of Directors of the Outsourced

[0:16:53] Voice 3: Policy Agreement.

[0:16:54] Voice 3: And so that's just there for information.

[0:16:57] Voice 3: I'm going to move on to advisory planning commission because there's no minutes there

[0:17:01] Voice 3: and that brings us to section 7 of the agenda page 4 is the follow-up action list and certainly

[0:17:09] Voice 3: there's some activities there and I'll just briefly ask staff if there's any updates to

[0:17:14] Voice 3: the list that we have in front of us and otherwise if there's none I'll just go to just answer

[0:17:19] Voice 3: the questions.

[0:17:19] Voice 3: so are there any questions for staff on any of the items on our follow-up action list i know

[0:17:27] Voice 3: we've had back and forth quite a bit about the multi-meeting it looks like we're not able to

[0:17:31] Voice 3: land a date here at this point so we should definitely discuss that item um so should we

[0:17:37] Voice 3: kick off with that one and if there's anything else sure um i think you've indicated the fifth

[0:17:42] Voice 3: is not a good day for you the fifth is

[0:17:44] Planner (probable): unfortunately the only day that works for me

[0:17:46] Planner (probable): and doesn't work for some other yeah so whether you need a staff member there or not is for the

[0:17:53] Planner (probable): ltc to decide are

[0:17:57] Voice 5: you clear about why we'll be having this meeting no not really okay

[0:18:03] Voice 6: perhaps

[0:18:04] Voice 4: this would be a good opportunity to fill it out i mean i have a general

[0:18:07] Voice 4: sense but there are some specifics here that it might be you're looking at all the public right

[0:18:12] Voice 4: yeah

[0:18:13] Voice 5: our our meetings have been quite informative when we speak with modi is understanding the

[0:18:23] Voice 5: general level of expected maintenance on the islands um it it's quite specific on on the

[0:18:32] Voice 5: gam here um and keats has a different level but then

[0:18:37] Voice 5: the thorman bees which also have a road

[0:18:39] Voice 5: system is a different level again so it's just reiterating the state of the roads and what the

[0:18:46] Voice 5: realistic expectation of having that managed is um and then another issue that would be coming

[0:18:52] Voice 5: forward would be how to better support other water access communities specifically around gambier

[0:19:00] Voice 5: that have road systems but are unable to they're right now they're paying for that maintenance and

[0:19:08] Voice 5: And what expectation would be if those communities were expanded or at what point would we be able to help them?

[0:19:18] Voice 5: And they also, MOTI is our subdivision approval ministry.

[0:19:25] Voice 5: You can ask questions about that, although it is a separate section.

[0:19:30] Voice 5: So those are kind of the issues.

[0:19:32] Voice 5: can get quite specific, but they're generally looking at the maintenance contract and the

[0:19:39] Voice 5: expectations. So now it's not a huge meeting. We don't have anything that hasn't been sitting

[0:19:46] Voice 5: on that docket for a long time, but it's usually quite important to where they see the island

[0:19:53] Voice 5: maintenance versus where our constituents do.

[0:19:57] Voice 4: Well, there's certainly room for, I mean,

[0:19:59] Voice 4: And just for the general public who's either watching or wants to look at the archive of this,

[0:20:06] Voice 4: eventually, Bodie refers to the Ministry of Transport and Construction.

[0:20:13] Voice 4: And certainly, there's some room there, as I understand it.

[0:20:17] Voice 4: I mean, we have a memorandum of understanding that contemplates regular meetings that have happened, as I understand, in the past.

[0:20:25] Voice 4: And there's definitely room for some relationship.

[0:20:28] Voice 4: of them i'm not sure it's strictly speaking for the purpose of this meeting there's there's no

[0:20:34] Voice 4: concrete business that i understand it's necessarily going to require staff to be there

[0:20:40] Voice 4: so subject to what other trustees think i i think it's important to have to meet rather than just

[0:20:46] Voice 4: keep oh i did it over uh there are specific issues certainly island certainly the folks

[0:20:51] Voice 4: at b sport have an ongoing issue which you know there's roads here he doesn't maintain

[0:21:00] Voice 4: and uh and modi actually has to say what happens to those roads but it's not it's not it's not on

[0:21:10] Voice 4: their agenda to do so that's a problem are we going to solve it at this meeting no and we get

[0:21:20] Voice 4: the relationship on a sounder footing so that we have a better chance to advocate well let's all

[0:21:28] Voice 4: trying so yeah let's try to sort of set up that meeting okay

[0:21:34] Voice 3: so the 10th or the 12th with the two

[0:21:37] Voice 3: dates and i think the times that were indicated i was certainly scared i was

[0:21:41] Voice 5: i was okay and that

[0:21:43] Voice 3: would be electronic yes

[0:21:44] Voice 5: um

[0:21:45] Voice 3: and

[0:21:47] Voice 5: another thing would be helpful is um when speaking with staff there

[0:21:52] Voice 5: it's always good to have send them a list ahead of time of specific issues so that they have

[0:21:58] Voice 5: something to work that.

[0:22:00] Voice 3: So is there a preference in terms of the 10th or the 12th? I'm just looking

[0:22:05] Voice 3: at, it doesn't make a difference to me.

[0:22:16] Voice 6: I guess I would lean towards the 12th.

[0:22:19] Voice 6: Yeah I

[0:22:20] Voice 6: can do the 12th it's fine. So

[0:22:30] Voice 3: can you uh formalize that and confirm that it's happening

[0:22:35] Voice 3: otherwise you thought that their plans have changed would fall back to the 10th. Is that

[0:22:39] Voice 3: right thank you you don't need a motion you just follow the direction yeah so back to the follow-up

[0:22:48] Voice 3: action list then um there's a few other items on there and i

[0:22:53] Voice 3: noticed that your name take louise

[0:22:55] Voice 3: on the next item on our list do you have anything to provide us there well this is

[0:22:59] Voice 5: referring to um

[0:23:01] Voice 5: an item later in our agenda so that's the mapping and um i think we can talk about what our

[0:23:09] Voice 5: expectations are that can help

[0:23:12] Voice 3: us there i was pleased to see that yeah it's interesting so

[0:23:15] Voice 3: any other questions here on the agenda on the follow-up action that's trustees no i think

[0:23:30] Voice 3: then i'm going to take the rest of that we'll receive for information and thank staff for

[0:23:35] Voice 3: all their work um so that as indicated the first thing on our uh i'm on our agenda 7.2

[0:23:44] Voice 3: on page eight of the agenda is the aquifer conceptualization project and groundwater

[0:23:50] Voice 3: recharge mapping project and uh very pleased to see that work that's okay cool that's pretty cool

[0:23:58] Voice 3: are you gonna uh is william joining us or yeah he should be online there

[0:24:04] Voice 3: twice so nice to see you let's

[0:24:09] Voice 8: see you too um

[0:24:11] Voice 3: so this report for us in front of us thank you

[0:24:14] Voice 3: very much for the work and i'll just turn it over to you to uh introduce it summarize it and maybe

[0:24:20] Voice 3: have some questions yeah

[0:24:22] Voice 10: thanks chair and hello uh gambier local trust committee um thanks for

[0:24:28] Voice 10: having me um so this um request for decision is a follow-up to the follow-up action list um whereby

[0:24:40] Voice 10: by pretty much on the closing of the consulting portions

[0:24:49] Voice 10: of the aquifer conceptualization and groundwater recharge mapping

[0:24:55] Voice 10: projects that there was discussion at the LTC table

[0:25:00] Voice 10: to request further information.

[0:25:03] Voice 10: And yeah, as it stands with these larger complex projects,

[0:25:09] Voice 10: We usually get the consultants run out the fiscal year, usually to the last day, and then staff are then faced with processing and determining next steps for those consulting reports.

[0:25:28] Voice 10: And, you know, sometimes that takes a period of time.

[0:25:35] Voice 10: And as such with these projects.

[0:25:38] Voice 10: So I provided a basic, I guess, background or summary of what the projects are.

[0:25:49] Voice 10: And yeah, and so the next steps for these projects is starting to integrate them into planning services and rolling out communication.

[0:26:02] Voice 10: So at the start of the calendar year, staff through the trust area services provided a webinar for the freshwater sustainability strategy, as well as the groundwater focused webinar, which, yeah, it garnered some pretty good interest.

[0:26:23] Voice 10: I think there was over 100 people attending at both sections, and then the survey regarding

[0:26:34] Voice 10: those projects were provided to the Trust Programs Committee just last week, I think.

[0:26:44] Voice 10: So there's active communication of the projects right now.

[0:26:48] Voice 10: uh what this uh rfd is requesting of the local trust committee is is to signal some interest

[0:26:57] Voice 10: um from the ltc in the projects and to uh have to request staff to undertake some specific work

[0:27:06] Voice 10: around these projects for the gambier local trust area specifically creation of um

[0:27:15] Voice 10: of PDF maps to land on the maps and apps page of the LTC.

[0:27:21] Voice 10: And this isn't something that I really have in my back pocket.

[0:27:25] Voice 10: Those draft maps were made specifically for this RFE.

[0:27:30] Voice 10: And if the LTC chooses, I'll continue on that work and finalize those maps.

[0:27:36] Voice 10: And then they'll be uploaded to the LTC's maps webpage.

[0:27:39] Voice 10: page and i would also provide a staff report that does a little bit more analysis on on the projects

[0:27:49] Voice 10: as they relate to gambier there's also interest from bowen island staff on on this work and i

[0:27:59] Voice 10: presented to the bowen island municipality we traveled there in december of of 2023 to present

[0:28:08] Voice 10: to them and and they're interested in that work and how it relates to some of their ocb and lub

[0:28:17] Voice 10: projects that they're undertaking and uh yeah just so happened that i got contacted by uh bowen parks

[0:28:25] Voice 10: this morning requesting some more information um so um my intention of the staff report back to the

[0:28:33] Voice 10: the Gambier, the trust committee would be focused on Gambier, but it would also like have a comment

[0:28:40] Voice 10: to the entire house sound. And also I would provide maps that would also display

[0:28:49] Voice 10: dormant BIs, which we also have information on, which is part of the LTA. And I think I'll leave

[0:28:57] Voice 10: it at that. If there's any questions from the local trust committee, or if there's any

[0:29:02] Voice 10: Any clarifications on why I'm taking this RFD approach?

[0:29:05] Voice 10: I'm willing to entertain those as well.

[0:29:10] Voice 10: Yeah, thanks, Dr. Teacher.

[0:29:12] Voice 6: Thank you very much.

[0:29:16] Voice 6: Freshwater Specialist Stephen Chuba.

[0:29:23] Voice 3: Just lost in thought when I'm looking at the maps here.

[0:29:26] Voice 3: So, Trustee, do you have any questions for staff on this?

[0:29:29] Voice 3: And there's a recommendation here to advance this work.

[0:29:32] Voice 3: So, what's your desire to say?

[0:29:36] Voice 5: I have a couple of initial questions, William.

[0:29:44] Voice 5: First of all, thank you very much for providing this.

[0:29:48] Voice 5: I particularly find it fascinating, but part of the fascination is I don't know really what it means.

[0:29:54] Voice 5: So, like, what are the implications?

[0:29:58] Voice 5: So that's sort of.

[0:30:00] Voice 5: one of the larger things I'd like I'm hoping we can continue to work on that clarification

[0:30:05] Voice 5: but just just looking at the maps there's just one big burning question if an area doesn't have

[0:30:14] Voice 5: an aquifer like most of Gambier doesn't seem to be identified as having an aquifer what do they

[0:30:21] Voice 5: have like what is there uh

[0:30:26] Voice 10: yeah thanks for that question so through the chair um uh the the mapped

[0:30:31] Voice 10: Mapped aquifers that are provided an ID have to meet provincial criteria to be mapped as such.

[0:30:44] Voice 10: And for the most cases, there's, like for an aquifer to be mapped, usually there's users involved.

[0:30:55] Voice 10: So I'm not saying in the areas that are unmapped, there are not groundwater users, but that's usually one of the criterias.

[0:31:02] Voice 10: And ACFER is a geological unit that has enough water to provide services to communities or provide ecological services.

[0:31:15] Voice 10: So to say that these areas of Gambier don't provide the groundwaters and provide ecological services is not true.

[0:31:24] Voice 10: So, yeah, it can look confusing.

[0:31:29] Voice 10: It's just the fact that that area of Gambier has not been delineated by an aquifer mapping process yet.

[0:31:39] Voice 10: And the areas that have been mapped are kind of like scheduled aquifers.

[0:31:48] Voice 10: Aquifer mapping is somewhat misleading too.

[0:31:52] Voice 10: Like say for Gabriola, sorry, the other G, Galliano Island.

[0:31:58] Voice 10: The entire island is mapped as one aquifer, and so to get around that, I guess, course resolution, we have defined areas of Galliano Island, and actually all islands, in groundwater regions, and I think I presented the groundwater regions on here.

[0:32:22] Voice 10: yeah so that would be the the the third map you can see that there's there's white lines that are

[0:32:31] Voice 10: outlining polygons yeah so and and then wells and then that is just a very quick analysis of

[0:32:38] Voice 10: of a heat map of well concentration which which would be done much better in a final draft of

[0:32:45] Voice 10: this this was just for illustration purposes but um yeah those those areas are more like a water

[0:32:51] Voice 10: management unit so um it depends like there there can be unconfined aquifers which are sand and

[0:32:59] Voice 10: gravel and then there's and there's confined aquifers or bedrock aquifers that the majority

[0:33:03] Voice 10: of of gambier island is crystalline rock and so those areas that that don't have a um

[0:33:10] Voice 10: an aquifer you can see that the majority of of gambier island doesn't have groundwater wells

[0:33:18] Voice 10: and so that's why just the province hasn't been concerned with those areas to define them as a

[0:33:23] Voice 10: as as a scheduled aquifer or classified aquifer if

[0:33:29] Voice 5: i may chair as a follow-up so for clarity it

[0:33:33] Voice 5: just means it doesn't mean there isn't any aquifers it just means that it hasn't been

[0:33:39] Voice 5: mapped through the province at this time

[0:33:43] Voice 10: yeah like the priority of of mapping um aquifers

[0:33:48] Voice 10: that are you know on the edge of an island that doesn't have any users is is quite low

[0:33:53] Voice 10: the majority of the the aquifer mapping is is for water authorizations so actually i do notice that

[0:34:00] Voice 10: uh the left that sorry the west side or east side of of the island of course there is there's wells

[0:34:08] Voice 10: there uh it's it's likely that there can be some aquifer mapping done there there is some uh

[0:34:14] Voice 10: act for mapping updates on on denman island that island stress was involved in during the course

[0:34:19] Voice 10: of this project we kind of shared project funds and and resources with the province so we we had

[0:34:25] Voice 10: a co-project going and so uh these aquifer maps aren't set in stone they update them almost yearly

[0:34:31] Voice 10: there's aquifer mapping happening all the time and and um in more complex areas that aren't the

[0:34:37] Voice 10: islands there can be aquifers sitting on top of aquifers and and that's kind of where like an

[0:34:43] Voice 10: a layered system where in the islands we don't really have layered systems um those act for

[0:34:49] Voice 10: that's kind of where the province have been putting their um their their uh efforts i can

[0:34:57] Voice 10: think of a place like mill bay where there's a lot of development on vancouver island that they

[0:35:02] Voice 10: really need to do act for mapping to determine where the recharge was coming from and and you

[0:35:08] Voice 10: know if they should allow thousands of houses of subdivision to go in those

[0:35:13] Voice 10: kind of questions is the reason why at the act for mapping it is occurring yeah

[0:35:19] Voice 10: yeah

[0:35:22] Voice 4: I actually do have a couple of questions for Mr. Shulba. One relates to the map

[0:35:29] Voice 4: that we have here of mapped aquifers for the local trust area and I see here

[0:35:37] Voice 4: that you know you've got the aquifers numbered by the legend but when I look at Keats Island there's

[0:35:44] Voice 4: two aquifers mapped 548, 547. I can't find the reference in the legend to 547 is that

[0:35:50] Voice 4: I see it's the same color as 551 that can't be the same aquifer or is it and I'm just wondering

[0:35:59] Voice 4: if you could explain that anomaly is that just something that got missed or is 547 a typo or

[0:36:04] Voice 4: Can you just explain the distinction there, please?

[0:36:10] Voice 10: Yeah, through the chair, it's a draft map.

[0:36:12] Voice 10: And yeah, that was just, I just unfortunately deleted 547 out of the legend when I was deleting

[0:36:22] Voice 10: hundreds of aquifers that populated my legend because it's for the entire island trust area.

[0:36:27] Voice 10: And no, it's not the same as 551.

[0:36:29] Voice 10: um that they're they're they're they're two distinct aquifers yeah i just missed that in

[0:36:36] Voice 10: the legend so yeah when i when i report back with final drafts the even the the color legend will

[0:36:43] Voice 10: will make a little bit more sense um i can't remember if 547 is a unconfined act for not i

[0:36:50] Voice 10: don't think so i think it's still a bedrock act for um if you're look if you're to focus on bow

[0:36:55] Voice 10: in there, 744 is like an unconfined sand and gravel aquifer that's in a valley that's sitting

[0:37:05] Voice 10: on top of 749. So those ones kind of coexist. And same with 743 is the same thing up by,

[0:37:15] Voice 10: I think that's by, I'm

[0:37:17] Voice 4: not going to guess. Is

[0:37:18] Voice 10: there any particular

[0:37:19] Voice 4: meaning to the colors

[0:37:20] Voice 4: that you've given these aquifers or is that just for the sake of the convenience of being able to

[0:37:24] Voice 4: sort of see them on the band yeah

[0:37:26] Voice 10: it's just a random classification yeah yeah uh often we will

[0:37:31] Voice 10: choose one color for bedrock and one color for um unconfined aquifers and i might do that but

[0:37:39] Voice 10: yeah this was just a random classification now there can be another way that i can and this is

[0:37:47] Voice 10: good this is a good fodder for thought because you know technically these are the LTC's maps or

[0:37:57] Voice 10: you guys can provide information to inform them. Another way that we can represent aquifers in

[0:38:04] Voice 10: color is by either by yield or vulnerability and those type of data are available from the

[0:38:12] Voice 10: province and those are

[0:38:13] Voice 10: very general um like general assumptions or classifications that

[0:38:19] Voice 10: the province puts on that first so i i've presented mapped aquifers in in that way before

[0:38:25] Voice 10: but again it's for an island like like galliana doesn't make any sense because it's just all one

[0:38:29] Voice 10: color so enough okay

[0:38:31] Voice 4: uh i do have one more question which relates to uh another map the

[0:38:35] Voice 4: last map you have here set of slides here um that shows the groundwater recharge potential

[0:38:41] Voice 4: I

[0:38:42] Voice 10: find

[0:38:43] Voice 4: that one particularly fascinating because it appears to be quite detailed in terms of

[0:38:49] Voice 4: drawing careful distinctions in a fairly fine-grained way from place to place on the islands or the

[0:38:57] Voice 4: map, Canberra, Bowen, Quays.

[0:39:01] Voice 4: My question is, I'm curious as to how we're able to have such detailed information about

[0:39:08] Voice 4: the relative difference in groundwater recharge potential on the island? I mean, is that the

[0:39:12] Voice 4: product of testing that has specifically been done for that purpose, or is the information derived

[0:39:21] Voice 4: or inferred from the geology? I mean, how do we get this fine-grained detail of the recharge

[0:39:28] Voice 4: potential?

[0:39:29] Voice 10: Sure, yeah, thanks for that question and through the chair. Yeah, so the groundwater

[0:39:36] Voice 10: water recharge potential final output is on a 20 by 20 meter grid so that's why it you can see fine

[0:39:44] Voice 10: detail it's actually a lot more fine than the pdf that is showing here and so the groundwater

[0:39:52] Voice 10: recharge potential mapping has it's now in its fourth and final I guess version and so it includes

[0:40:04] Voice 10: includes LIDAR, which is detailed topography, which the scale of that is a meter by a meter,

[0:40:12] Voice 10: so it's much higher resolution than our maps. We use geology. A novel approach that staff

[0:40:23] Voice 10: created with our consultant is the role of ecosystems. So looking at how much ecosystems

[0:40:30] Voice 10: systems intercept precipitation that's going to ground, how much it then transpires back in the

[0:40:37] Voice 10: atmosphere. And that data came from the Vegetation Resource Inventory, which is a forestry data set

[0:40:43] Voice 10: that is also around 20 by 20 meter grid size. And we use satellite data, which is around the same

[0:40:53] Voice 10: resolution and so we we took all of these contributing factors to groundwater recharge

[0:41:00] Voice 10: potential and put them into a um a model that's that's similar to the island stress conservancy

[0:41:10] Voice 10: regional conservation plan model and also similar to the uh emerging suitable land analysis

[0:41:17] Voice 10: model that that has been undertaken by regional planning committee so there are these like

[0:41:23] Voice 10: multi-variable or multi-criteria models that come together to to predict the likelihood of

[0:41:31] Voice 10: groundwater recharge so um one interesting um component that we included was using a satellite

[0:41:39] Voice 10: called sentinel data and through um like color signature we were able to tell where there's areas

[0:41:46] Voice 10: of the island that cannot be recharging because they are showing a characteristic of springs or

[0:41:53] Voice 10: water discharging out of the island and so that was included as well and so you can see if you're

[0:41:59] Voice 10: if we're looking at I guess Bowen's kind of an easier one you can see that there's

[0:42:04] Voice 10: large areas of the island that that have very low or low recharge and and so the the opposite

[0:42:14] Voice 10: of recharge is is a discharge area so that's where groundwater is is actively coming out of the ground

[0:42:19] Voice 10: and usually you get that in the lower areas closer to the beaches you can see on keats island that a

[0:42:25] Voice 10: lot of the beach area or the shoreline doesn't have recharge and and that makes sense um but

[0:42:31] Voice 10: yeah uh none of this has been uh or this work uh the methodology was not um uh calibrated or or

[0:42:41] Voice 10: or even are used on island information

[0:42:45] Voice 10: as a pure desktop study.

[0:42:48] Voice 10: And however, when I was on Bowen in December

[0:42:52] Voice 10: with my co-op student,

[0:42:53] Voice 10: we went to a whole bunch of these high recharge areas

[0:42:57] Voice 10: to do ground truthing, to see what it's like on the ground.

[0:43:00] Voice 10: And sure enough, a lot of them are elevated wetlands

[0:43:03] Voice 10: that are filled with water,

[0:43:04] Voice 10: or you could just by understanding

[0:43:08] Voice 10: what a recharge area looks like,

[0:43:10] Voice 10: that they we were able to to kind of not calibrate but correlate the the data to to on the ground

[0:43:19] Voice 10: features that that do contribute to recharge so uh the model has been uh investigated uh uh using

[0:43:27] Voice 10: field data as um especially on salt spring island because that's where i live so so i i've done a

[0:43:33] Voice 10: lot of that here and um but but for for the model itself it didn't need to have any on the ground

[0:43:40] Voice 10: information it that would have just exploded our budget so over the course of three years we were

[0:43:46] Voice 10: able to identify recharge area I think of I think it's like 2,000 square kilometers it's pretty

[0:43:55] Voice 10: novel work all

[0:43:57] Voice 4: right so what I'm understanding from from this is that the mapping is largely

[0:44:01] Voice 4: a matter of inferring recharge potential from light archaeology observations of the vegetation

[0:44:09] Voice 4: the vegetation footprint uh it's not from it's primarily not from field testing but from uh

[0:44:16] Voice 4: inferences from the other science is that right yeah

[0:44:20] Voice 10: there has been there there wasn't field

[0:44:23] Voice 10: testing involved in it there's not a field component of the methodology um and and and

[0:44:33] Voice 10: yeah so there's there's several derivative products that also went into the methodology

[0:44:39] Voice 10: So just from the LIDAR, if you can imagine, the LIDAR does a really good job of determining stream flow because that's, you know, water flows from high to low.

[0:44:49] Voice 10: So another part of the recharge mapping is contributing area.

[0:44:54] Voice 10: So in any given spot on the island, there is an analysis of how much contributing area above that one pixel, how much water can possibly drain towards that one pixel as well.

[0:45:09] Voice 10: so something like that's just an example of of of how these primary data sets that we have like

[0:45:15] Voice 10: geology and lidar and and how they can then be um analyzed to to satisfy um certain areas of

[0:45:25] Voice 10: of interest for the likely in this case in the likelihood of groundwater recharge right thank

[0:45:31] Voice 10: you for that thanks for the questions go ahead kate through

[0:45:35] Voice 5: the chair i have um sort of a

[0:45:38] Voice 5: clarification on that that's very helpful thank you because i was kind of shocked to see the area

[0:45:45] Voice 5: of gambier that is most populated has the most wells actually had very low recharge on that

[0:45:54] Voice 5: particular map um and looking at it it is the area that we're walking through that area it's

[0:46:00] Voice 5: low lying it's swampy it's it's water is pouring out of it most of the year so that

[0:46:07] Voice 5: that would be a good clarification for this particular map because it's not

[0:46:12] Voice 5: there to me that looked like serious dry you know what are we doing populating

[0:46:19] Voice 5: that part of the island so following that have a couple of questions if we

[0:46:27] Voice 5: have these maps available with hopefully some adjustments like we've described

[0:46:33] Voice 5: um for our july 30th meeting is there a possibility of doing a 15 20 minute presentation

[0:46:43] Voice 5: on the implications of this research at our gambier in-person meeting is that up to us or

[0:46:53] Voice 5: is it something that would be available through your department oh

[0:47:05] Voice 10: is that a question to me

[0:47:06] Voice 10: or are you

[0:47:06] Voice 9: looking at a planner oh sorry I thought

[0:47:08] Voice 10: you were staring at a planner

[0:47:12] Voice 9: that's usually

[0:47:12] Voice 10: not my call I'll talk about this

[0:47:15] Voice 10: for years if you let me

[0:47:16] Voice 10: I think I think like often uh you know just to heed the warning often when there's a request

[0:47:25] Voice 10: like that from an LTC I'm put at the end of of a meeting and and often it's a complex meeting and

[0:47:31] Voice 10: and no one wants to hear me talk about uh trying to make this complex science easier however um

[0:47:38] Voice 10: it seems like it it's a good time to discuss this with the gambier ltc uh of course we're

[0:47:47] Voice 10: focused on groundwater here and and and there's a lot of implications that can happen like like

[0:47:52] Voice 10: you're saying um yeah like the areas i call them town i don't know if you want to call them out in

[0:47:59] Voice 10: Gambier but uh yeah indeed the the most of the um most of the development on on the southwest side

[0:48:08] Voice 10: of of Gambier is in the lower outlying areas and that's the discharge area and that's fine because

[0:48:14] Voice 10: there's actually a quite healthy recharge zone on the hills above town right and so and and and

[0:48:23] Voice 10: you're right if you go down below it's swampy water's coming out of the ground and that's what

[0:48:28] Voice 10: that's like a classic discharge area sometimes really good recharge areas are dry because the

[0:48:34] Voice 10: water goes into the ground um and and so it um say if say if gambier explodes in popularity

[0:48:43] Voice 10: and and you're looking at getting another 5 000 people on that peninsula then what recharge uh

[0:48:51] Voice 10: mapping can provide is essential information to determine freshwater balance or water budget.

[0:49:00] Voice 10: And we're undertaking some of that work this year on Gabriola. Yeah, so that's an interesting next

[0:49:09] Voice 10: step if there's, you know, if there's a need for that. And there's also one of the biggest things

[0:49:16] Voice 10: on Gambier I think is stormwater management and a lot of this information that we have collated

[0:49:23] Voice 10: is not just for aquifer conceptualization or for recharge mapping. It can be essential information

[0:49:29] Voice 10: that can be easily analyzed for something like stormwater management. Like this information was

[0:49:35] Voice 10: all over the place and we cleaned it and it took and collated together which took the majority of

[0:49:41] Voice 10: of the time and it was a big undertaking and now we have some really good available data for a lot

[0:49:47] Voice 10: of things even for conservation mapping it's there it's it's it's available and it's also

[0:49:52] Voice 10: available to be shared with partners like first nations who are already asking for it like the

[0:49:56] Voice 10: comox so so there's a lot of good outcomes that come from that and and to provide like a real

[0:50:03] Voice 10: high level um summary of the work which would take about five minutes and then discussing next

[0:50:10] Voice 10: steps which would take another five minutes and then having a question and answer period which

[0:50:14] Voice 10: would be about five minutes i promise myself i'll keep myself to those time constraints um if the

[0:50:20] Voice 10: if the ltc passes that resolution i i think it's from my side it's doable but i would have to kind

[0:50:27] Voice 10: of refer to the planner if that's part of like their their process yeah and

[0:50:34] Voice 3: are we thinking

[0:50:35] Voice 3: about that coming in

[0:50:36] Voice 3: electronically yeah i think that's yeah

[0:50:40] Voice 10: and economically

[0:50:41] Voice 3: better yeah with

[0:50:43] Voice 10: with that i always find with with my work i i love coming to community and teaching it's one of my

[0:50:49] Voice 10: passions but i found with with with work like this it's it's much easier electronically because

[0:50:54] Voice 10: i'm sharing my screen and then you can see what i'm doing right and and so and then everyone's

[0:50:59] Voice 10: on the same page with what they can see.

[0:51:01] Voice 10: Do you have a follow-up question?

[0:51:03] Voice 5: Yeah, so I'm hoping to put the recommendation on the floor,

[0:51:06] Voice 5: but prior to that, I think what I'm hearing

[0:51:09] Voice 5: and thinking of resources, I was trust-wide.

[0:51:13] Voice 5: This is fascinating, the fact that you clarified,

[0:51:17] Voice 5: and I think it needs to be clarified on the maps themselves,

[0:51:20] Voice 5: what recharge and discharge means,

[0:51:23] Voice 5: but a simplified overview of how we can use these

[0:51:29] Voice 5: maps would be adequate because I think it's fairly clear Gambier and most of the islands do not have

[0:51:38] Voice 5: a water issue in house sounds so I don't want to be using resources where it could be used in

[0:51:44] Voice 5: critical areas but one of the questions I do have is there is potentially quite a critical water

[0:51:53] Voice 5: issue in the Eastbourne area and I guess what I would like to know is is this information being

[0:52:00] Voice 5: shared with the regional district as they look to finding solutions to the well well development

[0:52:10] Voice 5: in the Eastbourne area and if not can I advance that or how would I advance that?

[0:52:15] Voice 10: Sure yeah thank

[0:52:16] Voice 10: you for the question Eastbourne it's uh that's um the Eastbourne system is part of my heart it's

[0:52:23] Voice 10: It's my favorite water service in the Island Trust area

[0:52:29] Voice 10: because they're doing everything right

[0:52:32] Voice 10: with very limited resource.

[0:52:36] Voice 10: Interesting thing about Eastbourne system, if I may,

[0:52:38] Voice 10: that everyone on the system is required to have storage.

[0:52:43] Voice 10: And the last time I checked,

[0:52:45] Voice 10: or the last time I talked with Scott

[0:52:47] Voice 10: and the crew that runs it,

[0:52:48] Voice 10: that they have several wells that come together

[0:52:51] Voice 10: for about five gallons a minute

[0:52:52] Voice 10: that's that services you know the 175 homes or whatever uh really amazing stuff and yeah they're

[0:52:58] Voice 10: going through a act for their own like i guess act for a well conceptualization investigation

[0:53:05] Voice 10: and um i actually provided them uh early data before the consultants were or even finished

[0:53:15] Voice 10: the project i asked the consultants to provide me the recharge map preliminary and and i passed

[0:53:21] Voice 10: that on to the uh regional district and then they pass that on to their consultants so they

[0:53:28] Voice 10: had an early they had they have the groundwater recharge potential um for that area and i believe

[0:53:36] Voice 10: they use it as part of their water balance but i i could be wrong but but they were provided

[0:53:41] Voice 10: that data they weren't provided the whole suite of all of all the layers of course but they were

[0:53:45] Voice 10: were provided um uh just that layer so um yeah i i can say i'm not sure where they are right now

[0:53:55] Voice 10: on their exploration for a new well but but i thought they thought they drilled a few and tested

[0:54:01] Voice 10: them yeah

[0:54:02] Voice 5: it's not so much the specifics of that situation um as they're sort of trying to deal

[0:54:09] Voice 5: with the results of those wells um but it's more that this information is being shared between

[0:54:17] Voice 5: the different organizations and so i will also make sure this is forwarded

[0:54:21] Voice 5: to staff at the seo that's okay yeah

[0:54:25] Voice 10: sure and and yeah it's it's um

[0:54:30] Voice 10: yeah to go back to you to like your general point like is this information being shared with our

[0:54:36] Voice 10: partners and it has only been shared like through specific request um but i'm i'm like striving to

[0:54:45] Voice 10: get transparency on on all the work that that has been happening in the freshwater sustainability

[0:54:51] Voice 10: strategy so um i we're really close on on the freshwater atlas i'm working really closely with

[0:54:59] Voice 10: with GIS right now and and once the online mapping is is is up and running and good then we'll start

[0:55:08] Voice 10: uh populating somewhere on the web page where where anyone can go and and download uh the data

[0:55:15] Voice 10: um it's it's the data is usually needed to have some sort of explanation with it but you know

[0:55:22] Voice 10: there's GIS professionals out there that they're looking at so that that's that's the that's the

[0:55:27] Voice 10: the overall intention it might take another year to get it all there but if there's a specific

[0:55:31] Voice 10: request then from from a partner that's real like not just someone just generally seeking information

[0:55:39] Voice 10: like for example the eastborn system they they're undertaking work and they're or or bone island is

[0:55:46] Voice 10: asking for the same thing for parks they're likely they're looking to establish more protected areas

[0:55:51] Voice 10: or something like that um you know those are real requests and and and you know through that

[0:55:57] Voice 10: specific inquiry that directs me as staff to to take on additional work to to share that

[0:56:04] Voice 10: information it takes a little bit to to define it to a particular area it's not a huge undertaking

[0:56:10] Voice 10: but it's still more time it's not just available that i could just flip a file to them in five

[0:56:15] Voice 10: seconds or something yeah i've

[0:56:18] Voice 4: got one more question actually okay sure mr shelby you you

[0:56:22] Voice 4: You used an interesting phrase before, water budget.

[0:56:26] Voice 4: I would hope that one of the things that comes out of this project is finding ways to make the data most useful for planning purposes,

[0:56:36] Voice 4: both for staff, but also for people who are applying, making application for development permits, that sort of thing.

[0:56:44] Voice 4: I think the data, the usefulness of the data would be enhanced if we had a map of water availability.

[0:56:53] Voice 4: which i draw a distinction between that and discharge or sort of recharge potential

[0:56:57] Voice 4: i don't think recharge potential doesn't necessarily reflect availability and what

[0:57:04] Voice 4: i'm thinking about here is that in low-lying areas that are identified in the map as discharge areas

[0:57:12] Voice 4: and you would know a lot more than i would like this but i would think those are amenable to

[0:57:17] Voice 4: shallow wells that the water is easily accessible you don't have to drill 180 feet to get to the

[0:57:22] Voice 4: the water it's just basically i mean we used to call them surface water wells you know these

[0:57:26] Voice 4: drapes that he feed and the water just bubbles up it's just chug wells yeah

[0:57:30] Voice 6: so

[0:57:31] Voice 4: i'm just thinking

[0:57:33] Voice 4: um a water i mean a water budget for an island and understanding total carrying capacity is crucial

[0:57:40] Voice 4: but you know in an area by area uh if it's feasible area by area on an island

[0:57:46] if it's possible to infer what water availability is

[0:57:52] Voice 4: in that particular area for ease of use that

[0:57:55] Voice 4: would be helpful thanks

[0:57:57] Voice 10: thanks for that question yeah um i 100 agree um i think if i had water

[0:58:05] Voice 10: availability maybe

[0:58:07] Voice 4: the first time i've ever heard that staff member in response to one of my remarks

[0:58:11] Voice 4: so thank you very much yeah yeah

[0:58:13] Voice 4: very excited in the last yeah at

[0:58:16] Voice 10: the same time i'll go and

[0:58:18] Voice 10: plant money trees everywhere and i'll solve that problem

[0:58:20] Voice 6: too i'm

[0:58:23] Voice 10: being facetious but but but uh

[0:58:25] Voice 10: first of all i want to step back you're right uh groundwater recharge potential mapping does not

[0:58:30] Voice 10: necessarily equate to uh water availability um there can be areas with with very high recharge

[0:58:38] Voice 10: recharge and and moderate vulnerability or availability and there could be areas with

[0:58:42] Voice 10: moderate recharge and pretty good availability and and that's what water budget is so water

[0:58:49] Voice 10: budget i think is like more accounting water in water out how much you have and and the the

[0:58:55] Voice 10: project that we're undertaking now is fresh water balance and that that's involves water budget but

[0:59:00] Voice 10: then also like the social aspects of it values um it's a much more holistic viewpoint on on

[0:59:06] Voice 10: how much water we're going to have to share in a hundred years or a thousand years like that's the

[0:59:12] Voice 10: more holistic thing but but using uh uh groundwater recharge uh that's water in so we already have

[0:59:19] Voice 10: that information but it's like we have

[0:59:21] Voice 10: to know how the water gets there and how it's being used

[0:59:24] Voice 10: by ecosystems and humans and and and how water is being used by humans is the most difficult thing

[0:59:30] Voice 10: to understand and that's and and so a lot of that's qualitative assessment so we're hoping

[0:59:36] Voice 10: on our work with gabriola we can show on how um say surveys can provide us good qualitative

[0:59:43] Voice 10: information about how much water is being used and and that information then goes together to

[0:59:49] Voice 10: determine a groundwater availability and our scale is on this map with the wells the groundwater

[0:59:56] Voice 10: region, that's kind of the scale of our availability.

[1:00:00] Voice 10: So it's kind of on the zoning scale.

[1:00:01] Voice 10: So if an LTC wants to increase density or look for areas of, you know, to maybe focus on an island to increase density somewhere, then groundwater regions are a good one.

[1:00:16] Voice 10: So that's kind of where the water budget stops is on that scale.

[1:00:20] Voice 10: However, we are working on the suitable land analysis.

[1:00:23] Voice 10: And the suitable land analysis is really where it hits planning.

[1:00:26] Voice 10: And this is going to your point, Trustee Bernard, that, so we're going to, we'll use the water budget for those particular groundwater regions, and those, and that budget, say if there's high, medium and low availability, just, I'm just spitballing here,

[1:00:45] Voice 10: that then that information goes into the suitable line analysis which includes a whole bunch of

[1:00:50] Voice 10: other things ecosystem stuff roads community stuff and and then and then from that that's a planning

[1:00:57] Voice 10: tool that the planners can then use with the ltc determine areas of of increased density or

[1:01:04] Voice 10: opportunities for affordable housing etc so so yeah there's i would say once we know water

[1:01:12] Voice 10: availability it's a very good uh tool for planners but then it needs to be further uh put into

[1:01:19] Voice 10: analysis and we just so happen to have suitable land analysis which is really exciting and all

[1:01:23] Voice 10: these are getting networked together including looking at wildfire risk uh watershed resiliency

[1:01:29] Voice 10: like how healthy the ecosystems are in the forest um really cool stuff um yeah so yeah all all great

[1:01:38] Voice 10: great questions and i think you know listening to what the ltc has been telling me you're

[1:01:43] Voice 10: you're you're there like you're you're on the right track of understanding what this information

[1:01:47] Voice 10: is um so so it makes it exciting if if you do choose to direct staff to to um create a staff

[1:01:56] Voice 10: report that that it'll it should be an interesting read based on um the feedback that i've gotten to

[1:02:02] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas, Thank you for that thanks so

[1:02:05] Voice 5: i'd like to put the recommendation on lower yeah so I move that the gambler and local trust committee request staff to complete PDF versions maps from the islands trust.

[1:02:18] Voice 5: Trust Area Aquifer Conceptualization and Groundwater Recharge Mapping in the Gambier Local Trust Area

[1:02:24] Voice 5: and include them in a staff report, make a short amendment here, with a short presentation

[1:02:32] Voice 5: and publish the maps on the website by the next regular meeting on July 30th, 2020.

[1:02:41] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:02:43] Voice 3: Lisa, did you catch that slight amendment to the recommendation?

[1:02:47] Voice 3: recommendation?

[1:02:48] Voice 2: Yes, Chair Luckom, I did. Thank you.

[1:02:51] Voice 3: Okay. And Freshwater Specialist Shilpa,

[1:02:56] Voice 3: that seems satisfactory to you. You're able to achieve that outcome?

[1:03:00] Voice 10: Yeah, it is. And Chair,

[1:03:02] Voice 10: if I, I'm not supposed to speak to motions, but I just wanted to say, I appreciate that. I know

[1:03:08] Voice 10: this hasn't been passed yet, but I appreciate the motion. Because the outcome of this work

[1:03:16] Voice 10: to the Gambier local trust area like as you can appreciate is going to be much different than say

[1:03:21] Voice 10: Salt Spring or Gabriola and and and Gambier is a is is kind of like a uh it's it's similar in

[1:03:30] Voice 10: nature to say Laskiti or or or even Thetis where where it's like how how does this benefit the

[1:03:38] Voice 10: community in the current configuration and I and I think that's why I'm I'm really interested in

[1:03:43] Voice 10: taking on this work on the LTA. And especially because you have multiple islands too. We have

[1:03:49] Voice 10: Gambier and Keats and Thornby and they're all very different. I

[1:03:52] Voice 4: think we have your point.

[1:03:54] Voice 10: Sorry? We

[1:03:55] Voice 5: have your point. Thank you.

[1:03:56] Voice 5: So we need to second that.

[1:03:58] Voice 3: Yes, I will second the motion.

[1:04:00] Voice 3: Okay, so we're moved and seconded. Yes. Any further discussion? All those in favor?

[1:04:05] Voice 3: That carries unanimously. Okay, thank you for your report. I learned quite a bit today.

[1:04:10] Voice 3: Yeah, thanks. And looking forward to the final report in July.

[1:04:15] Voice 10: Okay, thank you. Thanks, Chair. Have a great day, LTC. Bye.

[1:04:18] Voice 3: You betcha. Thank you. So I'm going to move on now, if that's all right, to 7.3, Bylaw No. 159, Minor Amendments to the Gambria Local Trust Area Advisory Planning Commission Bylaw. That seems pretty straightforward. Yep, do you want to make any remarks?

[1:04:34] Voice 3: Sure,

[1:04:35] Planner (probable): I can just quickly for the public. At the last meeting, the LTC requested that staff

[1:04:41] Planner (probable): forward an amendment to the Gambier Island Advisory Planning Commission bylaw number 150

[1:04:47] Planner (probable): to permit fully electronic in-person or hybrid meetings for appointed volunteer APC members.

[1:04:54] Planner (probable): Due to the significant geographic constraints on Gambier Island, in-person meetings for the APC

[1:04:59] Planner (probable): members are very difficult expensive and time consuming to coordinate and attend so apc members

[1:05:05] Planner (probable): have repeatedly requested flexibility in meeting bylaw procedures to accommodate their unique

[1:05:10] Planner (probable): circumstances staff have been advised by senior management that there are no staff resources to

[1:05:16] Planner (probable): support hosting of electronic agency meetings um however we're bringing this bylaw forward

[1:05:23] Planner (probable): forward and we'll see what happens at executive committee attachment one in the agenda package

[1:05:30] Planner (probable): outlines the necessary amendment it's a very small one to permit the electronic or hybrid

[1:05:35] Planner (probable): apc meeting and if the ltc concurs with staff recommendations the bylaw will be forwarded

[1:05:40] Planner (probable): to executive committee and prior to approval by the ltc awesome thank you any questions

[1:05:49] Voice 3: So,

[1:05:50] Voice 5: speaking to the lack of resources, is it okay if they use resources set up by different

[1:06:00] Voice 5: districts with their own Zoom account?

[1:06:05] Planner (probable): I don't know.

[1:06:09] Voice 5: I

[1:06:09] Planner (probable): guess it would have to be advertised as such and available for the public to join,

[1:06:17] Planner (probable): So, there would probably still need to be coordination there.

[1:06:25] Planner (probable): I think that really when you look at the context, it's actually probably a lot more expensive

[1:06:31] Planner (probable): and time consuming for staff to be traveling to Gambier Island to host an APC meeting.

[1:06:37] Planner (probable): So we'll outline that in the report that goes to executive committee, so I'm not entirely

[1:06:44] Planner (probable): entirely sure if some member could host the meeting themselves because I have a zoom account

[1:06:50] Voice 5: that could be used if that's the issue if

[1:06:55] Voice 4: I may sure I think we need to draw a distinction here

[1:06:58] Voice 4: between the resourcing and I appreciate trustee Stanford is not going this direction but that

[1:07:04] Voice 4: we should draw a distinction between the resourcing issue which is frankly up in the air

[1:07:09] Voice 4: will be figured out between executive committee and the staff and this uh the set of uh this

[1:07:15] recommendation which is to

[1:07:16] Voice 4: essentially enable the trust area to have these types of meetings

[1:07:21] Voice 4: how we execute them and getting the resources necessary and um i think planner uh

[1:07:29] Voice 4: you know marla system actually uh made a fair observation here which is there may not be

[1:07:38] Voice 4: resources to supplement what we're already doing but if we could save money by not having

[1:07:45] Voice 4: inverse meetings we may be able to find an opportunity but that's an operational

[1:07:49] Voice 4: thing yeah so to our hands yeah so i'd be prepared to support this so you guys want to make some

[1:07:56] Voice 4: go ahead

[1:07:57] Voice 5: i could move the recommendations on page 14 one gambier on local trust committee

[1:08:03] Voice 5: bylaw number 159 cited as gambier trust committee advisory planning commission bylaw 2018

[1:08:10] Voice 5: amendment number one 2024 be read a first time

[1:08:13] Voice 3: second second thank you any discussion

[1:08:17] Voice 3: all those in favor carries unanimously i

[1:08:20] Voice 5: move to the gambier on local trust committee bylaw

[1:08:23] Voice 5: number 159 cited as gambier local trust committee advisory planning commission bylaw 2018 amendment

[1:08:28] Voice 5: Amendment number 1, 2024, be read a second time.

[1:08:32] Voice 3: Moved.

[1:08:32] Voice 3: Seconded.

[1:08:33] Voice 3: Seconded.

[1:08:34] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:08:34] Voice 3: Any discussion?

[1:08:36] Voice 3: All those in favor?

[1:08:37] Voice 3: Carried unanimously.

[1:08:39] Voice 5: I move that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw number 159, cited as Gambier

[1:08:43] Voice 5: Island Local Trust Committee Advisory Planning Commission Bylaw 2018, Amendment number 1,

[1:08:49] Voice 5: 2024, be read a third time.

[1:08:52] Voice 3: Seconded.

[1:08:53] Voice 3: Seconded.

[1:08:53] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:08:54] Voice 3: Any discussion?

[1:08:55] Voice 3: All those in favor?

[1:08:57] Voice 3: Carried unanimously.

[1:08:58] Voice 3: this lady finally

[1:08:59] Voice 5: that the gambier on local trust committee bylaw number one five nine side is

[1:09:02] Voice 5: gambier trust committee advisory planning commission bylaw 2018 amendment number one 2024

[1:09:08] Voice 5: be forwarded to the secretary of the islands trust for a few minutes executive

[1:09:14] Voice 3: seconded thank you um any discussion i was in favor that carries mission accomplished so we'll

[1:09:21] Voice 3: see what uh how this unfolds and indeed i think setting the stage is the important thing yeah

[1:09:26] Voice 3: Yeah, we'll figure it out.

[1:09:29] Voice 3: Okay, so I'm going to keep moving.

[1:09:31] Voice 3: No applications or referral,

[1:09:32] Voice 3: no trust committee project work today,

[1:09:34] Voice 3: no correspondence in the agenda package.

[1:09:37] Voice 3: First new business item at 11.1

[1:09:40] Voice 3: brought to us by Trustee Stamford,

[1:09:42] Voice 3: bylaw enforcement notification,

[1:09:43] Voice 3: bylaw development variance permits.

[1:09:46] Voice 3: Over to you.

[1:09:50] Voice 5: I think this would be just an update.

[1:09:53] Voice 5: I had a conversation with bylaw officer

[1:09:57] Voice 5: And I'm going to come back with further information.

[1:10:04] Planner (probable): Oh,

[1:10:06] Voice 5: that would be better.

[1:10:07] Planner (probable): Great.

[1:10:08] Voice 3: You have something?

[1:10:10] Voice 3: He's there.

[1:10:11] Voice 3: He's online.

[1:10:11] Voice 3: Good morning.

[1:10:12] Voice 3: I joined us.

[1:10:13] Voice 3: Violent Enforcement Manager.

[1:10:15] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:10:15] Voice 1: Good morning, Chair.

[1:10:16] Voice 3: You have some remarks associated with Violent Enforcement

[1:10:20] Voice 3: Notification?

[1:10:22] Voice 1: Just for clarification, is this an actual reference to variance

[1:10:26] Voice 1: permits or development permits?

[1:10:33] Voice 1: As in we're talking about enforcing development permit area regulations.

[1:10:37] Voice 6: Yes, that's what it was. Yes.

[1:10:38] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:10:39] Voice 1: So you currently don't have a bylaw enforcement notice penalty

[1:10:47] Voice 1: for failing to get a permit,

[1:10:50] Voice 1: for failure to get a development permit within the development permit areas.

[1:10:54] Voice 1: But I do recommend that local trust committees use that option,

[1:10:59] Voice 1: use the bend bylaw to enforce their development permit area requirements for a permit

[1:11:05] Voice 1: there are multiple jurisdictions in bc that are doing it it's probably about a dozen at least

[1:11:10] Voice 1: that use bylaw notices and it's a simple contravention fail to get a permit and within

[1:11:17] Voice 1: the gambier island land use bylaw you do have the requirement for the development permits actually

[1:11:24] Voice 1: in the land use bylaw so it's even more straightforward you're just adding those

[1:11:28] Voice 1: penalties to the bend schedule for the enforcement of the regulations that are in the land use bylaw

[1:11:36] Voice 3: perfect good advice okay do you need some direction to enact this um

[1:11:44] Voice 1: if you want it

[1:11:46] Voice 1: done sooner rather than later you could pass a motion there's a number of other local trust

[1:11:52] Voice 1: committees that i'm working on that are sort of in front of you uh so it wouldn't hurt if you

[1:11:56] Voice 1: you passed an actual motion directing that the work be done

[1:12:00] Voice 1: and that you amend your Bend by-law.

[1:12:03] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:12:04] Voice 3: Maybe I'll just ask Glenna McCarver,

[1:12:07] Voice 3: would this fit under a minor project activity?

[1:12:11] Planner (probable): As far as Warren can perhaps comment,

[1:12:13] Planner (probable): but this I believe would be outside of the project structure.

[1:12:17] Planner (probable): Yeah, I think it would be a by-law initiative, not a minor.

[1:12:20] Planner (probable): Okay.

[1:12:21] Planner (probable): So that's fine.

[1:12:22] Planner (probable): Am I correct in that, Warren?

[1:12:24] Voice 1: Yes, it's not a minor project.

[1:12:25] Voice 1: project it's just a matter of when my workload will accommodate uh putting forward uh the bend

[1:12:32] Voice 1: by law amendments to the local trust committee yeah

[1:12:35] Voice 6: i'm so bad

[1:12:36] Voice 4: yeah i would um you know it

[1:12:39] Voice 4: sounds reasonable but uh i'd like to have a bit more information about this actually because

[1:12:46] Voice 4: i don't think i want us to think about whether or not we should be picking off you know what's

[1:12:53] Voice 4: happening in Gambier versus Keats versus the associated islands, if we're going to bring

[1:12:58] Voice 4: about a system where we're going to have this added tool for enforcing the permit requirement,

[1:13:07] Voice 4: I think we should consider its application to the whole trust area, not just further

[1:13:13] Voice 4: to the land use by-law that's in Gambier or Keats or the one that relates to the associated

[1:13:18] Voice 4: islands.

[1:13:18] Voice 4: So I think my preference would be to see a report from the staff that would lay out all of the implications of that and the effect of that for all of those.

[1:13:30] Voice 4: And then we can comprehensively deal with the question of that rather than just

[1:13:35] Voice 3: do it on the fly.

[1:13:37] Voice 3: Great. So maybe back to Warren. Is that what you would anticipate in development of this?

[1:13:43] Voice 3: You can provide us with that kind of a report?

[1:13:45] Voice 3: Yes,

[1:13:46] Voice 1: absolutely. I can provide, if the LTC wants to proceed with this, I'll provide a full report and its implication for the Associated Islands By-law Gambier and how we can proceed forward.

[1:13:56] Voice 1: And it would also have a proposed, you can review first the proposed by-law changes, the administrative by-law changes to the Bend by-law and what the schedule would look like.

[1:14:09] Voice 1: Yeah, I can provide that full report if the LTC wishes.

[1:14:11] Voice 1: Yeah,

[1:14:12] Voice 4: and if I may add, and it would be helpful if the report very briefly addressed the utility of doing it, like the policy merits of proceeding with.

[1:14:22] Yeah.

[1:14:23] Voice 4: Okay, Louise?

[1:14:26] Voice 5: I was under the impression this is happening, again, this kind of reporting is more of a regional initiative, that other islands are looking at this, and that we would just be part of that bigger project.

[1:14:40] Voice 5: Do I understand that correctly?

[1:14:43] Voice 1: well it's not a project it's just as required i'm amending these ben bylaws say for example denman

[1:14:50] Voice 1: and hornby adopted new study and use permit bylaws so that necessitated amendments to their bylaw

[1:14:57] Voice 1: enforcement notification bylaw because of the new setting and use permit bylaws that were introduced

[1:15:04] Voice 1: so bylaw notices can't be could not be written right for

[1:15:07] Voice 1: either of those islands until the

[1:15:09] Voice 1: amendments are made denman's done theirs hornby is going to be next for the north and galliano

[1:15:16] Voice 1: also recently did theirs not quite the same way but then there are other islands where the bend

[1:15:23] Voice 1: bylaw does need to be updated so as it's required i'm putting forth these proposal proposals one to

[1:15:29] Voice 1: have a simplified bend schedule fewer number of contraventions standardize the penalties and also

[1:15:37] Voice 1: all recommend that uh the penalty be added for failure to obtain a permit and development

[1:15:43] Voice 1: permit area

[1:15:44] Voice 3: okay so so to give a motion in mind or would you like staff to make some recommendation

[1:15:53] Voice 3: there i could or you can consider it and

[1:15:59] Voice 5: bring it back no i i would like to at least have work

[1:16:03] Voice 5: come back so i'm just not good at creating motions on the line i'm going to try i move that the

[1:16:13] Voice 5: gambler and local trust committee request bylaw coordinator manager management bylaw manager

[1:16:26] Voice 5: to provide a report about enforcement notification bylaws amendments to development

[1:16:39] Voice 5: permit area bylaws and bylaws yeah

[1:16:45] Voice 3: for development permits i think for

[1:16:47] Voice 5: development permits

[1:16:47] Voice 5: sorry

[1:16:49] Voice 3: that's not bad that's good so i get uh lisa to read back what she has lisa

[1:16:57] Voice 3: Through

[1:16:59] Voice 2: the Chair, I have that it was moved that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee

[1:17:05] Voice 2: request by-law manager to provide a report about enforcement notification by-law amendments

[1:17:11] Voice 2: to development permits.

[1:17:14] Voice 4: That seems satisfactory to everybody.

[1:17:17] Voice 4: No.

[1:17:18] Voice 4: No.

[1:17:19] Because it's not amending permits, it's amending the land use by-laws

[1:17:24] Voice 4: throughout the Gambier

[1:17:25] Voice 4: Local Trust area.

[1:17:26] Voice 4: and that's what we want the amendments to be more like that would be the point would be about the

[1:17:33] Voice 4: merits of amended bylaws to enable for development that's right yeah uh

[1:17:40] Voice 1: so chair the motion should

[1:17:42] Voice 1: read uh that the lcc requests for court regarding amendments to the bylaw enforcement notification

[1:17:48] Voice 1: system and for the additional addition of a penalty for uh failure to obtain a development

[1:17:56] Voice 1: permit very

[1:17:59] Voice 3: specific okay thank you that

[1:18:02] Voice 5: sounds much better or

[1:18:04] Voice 3: accurate yeah okay so lisa did you

[1:18:07] Voice 3: capture that piece i

[1:18:09] Voice 2: did yes let's

[1:18:10] Voice 3: scratch the first one we'll use that and um you wish to move

[1:18:14] Voice 3: that sounds good okay do you wish to second that i will second that okay any discussion

[1:18:21] Voice 3: all those in favor then that carries unanimously okay thank you warren for helping us with that

[1:18:27] Voice 3: you're

[1:18:27] Voice 1: welcome chair anything

[1:18:29] Voice 3: else on this file no okay one thanks for joining us you're welcome

[1:18:34] Voice 1: chair i'm

[1:18:36] Voice 3: going to move along to the staff reports section we have the island stress

[1:18:41] Voice 3: conservancy report here dated march the 19th that's for our information um i think we'll

[1:18:49] Voice 3: just receive that that's all right sure and then we have a copy of the island stress conservancy

[1:18:54] Voice 3: see her in the spring edition um lovely document that's being published on a regular basis and

[1:19:00] Voice 3: that is also received for information that's all right so the next item would be the application

[1:19:06] Voice 3: report dated may the 21st and presuming that that's up to date i'll ask trustee do you have

[1:19:12] Voice 3: any questions on the applications there thank you thank

[1:19:17] Voice 5: you chair through the staff um it just

[1:19:22] Voice 5: is there any further update about the wrapper report coming through for the west bay property

[1:19:30] Voice 5: still waiting still waiting yeah okay that's

[1:19:40] Voice 6: all i have right now okay anything for you um

[1:19:50] Voice 6: you know i've

[1:19:51] Voice 4: got some questions but i don't think i'm going to ask them

[1:19:54] Voice 4: thank you

[1:19:56] Voice 3: so at 12.4 on page 27 is the local trustee local trust expense report that's there

[1:20:02] Voice 3: for information and questions could be directed to staff if you have something

[1:20:09] Voice 5: you did just go ahead

[1:20:10] Voice 5: um so this is our year-end march the end of march and we have a negative balance of a thousand

[1:20:18] Voice 5: dollars roughly for local expenses i although we overall have extra money is that um adjusted

[1:20:28] Voice 5: and throw because sometimes when we go over the gambier i remember we got our hands up um

[1:20:36] Voice 5: specifically around travel expenses things like that so i just want to make sure that that

[1:20:40] Voice 5: negative thousand dollars um is not going to be considered an issue like what's happening

[1:20:51] Voice 3: so do you have any ability to remark on that i don't that's finance yeah finance question

[1:20:56] Voice 3: and i joe chair finance could be i think generally as long as

[1:20:59] Voice 3: the overall budget is not overspent

[1:21:02] Voice 3: yes

[1:21:02] Voice 5: that's what i thought

[1:21:03] Voice 3: yeah do you have any remarks there joe

[1:21:07] Voice 4: well i can tell by looking at

[1:21:08] Voice 4: this at the report that uh there are all sorts of associated expenses with meetings but the

[1:21:15] Voice 4: the part about travel expenses from the trustees is uh pretty pretty much at the lowest end so

[1:21:23] Voice 4: i don't think there's any room for anybody to be complaining or slapping hands it

[1:21:28] Voice 5: was just uh

[1:21:29] Voice 5: making sure we were being fiscally responsible

[1:21:33] Voice 5: well it

[1:21:35] Voice 4: touches on a larger issue we both can't discuss today but of the um of the scope of the

[1:21:42] Voice 4: funding that's being available to local trustees yeah okay

[1:21:47] Voice 3: thank you okay i'm going to keep moving

[1:21:50] Voice 3: 12.5 page 28 is our standing resolution. So let's decide to change any of those. We'll

[1:21:57] Voice 3: just receive the information today. And no further reports in the rest of that section.

[1:22:04] Voice 3: So this brings us to our work program, our active projects, and secondly, our future

[1:22:09] Voice 3: projects. Are there any updates or any questions from Justease at all? No, nothing from staff.

[1:22:17] Voice 3: up so we'll receive those for information thank you okay awesome our next meeting is indeed uh

[1:22:27] Voice 3: tuesday july 30th 11 a.m at the gambler island community center so i've got to figure out my

[1:22:33] Voice 3: travel plans for that and looking forward to it so um that concludes our agenda today

[1:22:39] Voice 3: unless there's anything else so i just have a quick

[1:22:44] Voice 5: comment um when we do this

[1:22:47] Voice 5: streaming can we is there an opportunity to get the recorded version of it up earlier because i

[1:22:55] Voice 5: have people say they can't attend the live streaming but would like to see the recording

[1:23:00] Voice 5: and it doesn't come up quite a while through the chat

[1:23:04] Voice 3: yeah

[1:23:05] Voice 2: lisa go ahead

[1:23:06] Voice 3: the

[1:23:07] Voice 2: live stream is put up

[1:23:09] Voice 2: on the website as soon as it's made available from the live streaming company and lately it

[1:23:15] Voice 2: has been taking upwards of a week.

[1:23:17] Voice 5: Okay well that's I'll just let people know that so thanks

[1:23:20] Voice 5: very much Lisa. Great if

[1:23:22] Voice 4: I may before we adjourn should we use this occasion just to make things

[1:23:26] Voice 4: a little easier for staff in the sense that we've settled on July 31st for the public hearing

[1:23:31] Voice 4: um oh

[1:23:32] Voice 6: do

[1:23:33] Voice 4: we should we use this as an occasion to formally set that or do we need a location

[1:23:38] Voice 4: the

[1:23:39] Planner (probable): exact location and time.

[1:23:41] Planner (probable): Well, staff has direction currently to schedule the public hearing, so I think that that's

[1:23:46] Planner (probable): all.

[1:23:47] Voice 9: That's sufficient.

[1:23:47] Planner (probable): Okay.

[1:23:47] Planner (probable): Yeah, it'll happen and they're still finalizing venue details, so that'll be posted and published

[1:23:53] Planner (probable): so let us know.

[1:23:54] Planner (probable): So the authorization, it's already there.

[1:23:56] Planner (probable): Okay.

[1:23:57] Planner (probable): Thank you.

[1:24:00] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:24:01] Voice 3: So then I'll call for the adjournment.

[1:24:03] Voice 3: All those in favor?

[1:24:04] Voice 3: That carries.

[1:24:05] Voice 3: Excellent.

[1:24:06] Voice 3: So thank you.

[1:24:08] Voice 3: That was efficient.

[1:24:10] Voice 3: That was good.

[1:24:11] Voice 3: Good. Yeah. Let's back up.

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May 28, 2024 
 
Gambier Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
May 28, 2024 
John Braithwaite Community Centre 
145 West 1st Street 
North Vancouver, BC   
 
Members Present: Peter Luckham, Chair 
 Kate-Louise Stamford, Trustee 
 Joe Bernardo, Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Marlis McCargar, Island Planner 
 William Shulba, Freshwater Specialist (electronic) 
 Warren Dingman, Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement Manager (electronic) 
 Lisa Millard, Recorder (electronic) 
  
Others Present: There was 1 member of the public in attendance. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
“Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Luckham called the meeting to order at 10:20 am. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
held on the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent, the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Stamford reported the following: 
 The Connected Coast underwater fiber optic cable has landed at Gambier Harbour; 
 She attended a meeting regarding the Rural Economic Diversification and 
Infrastructure Project; and 

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 The Gambier and Keats Ferry Advisory Committee has been advocating for BC 
Ferries to provide equitable service between the three ferry stops and there is a 
new Route 13 ferry schedule in effect. 
 
Trustee Bernardo reported the following: 
 The public hearing regarding the Keats Island foreshore bylaws will be held July 31, 
2024 and a location is to be determined; 
 The Islands Trust CAO hiring committee has selected an executive search firm to find 
a permanent candidate and an interim CAO will be appointed; 
 The Governance Committee is working on an analysis of the Islands Trust 
governance structure which will be presented to Trust Council who will bring it 
forward to the Province; and 
 The draft Islands Trust Policy Statement will be discussed at an upcoming committee 
of the whole meeting. 
3.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Luckham reported that he is looking forward to reviewing the draft Policy 
Statement committee of the whole meeting and he is preparing for the upcoming Trust 
Council meeting. 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Electoral Area Director Stamford reported the following: 
 There was a Ports Monitoring Committee meeting on May 27, 2024 during which it 
was noted that construction on Keats Landing is a significant issue as there will be 
no vehicle traffic access during the summer; 
 Transit on Sunshine Coast is determining an increase in transit service; 
 There is an initiative to expand fire services along Area F; and 
 The Paper Excellence Mill is housing employees for the wood fiber LNG project and 
uses water taxis to transport the workers to the floating hotel currently located in 
the Nanaimo Harbour, and the floating accommodations are not being permitted 
into Howe Sound due to concerns about sewage and garbage disposal. 
4. DELEGATIONS - none 
5. PUBLIC COMMENTS 
A member of the public stated that they own property on Gambier Island and asked if riparian 
bylaws are within the jurisdiction of the Islands Trust. 
The Planner noted that the Riparian Areas bylaws were adopted in 2019. All of Gambier 
Island is in Development Permit Area 3 (Riparian Areas) in which many different 
guidelines apply and that staff can provide specific details about an individual property 
on inquiry. 
 

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6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Meeting - none 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated May 21, 2024  
  Received for information. 
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – none 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List dated May 21, 2024 
It was noted that staff will schedule a meeting with the Ministry of Transportation and 
Infrastructure to discuss maintenance contract details and expectations as well as other 
areas of mutual concern. 
7.2 Aquifer Conceptualization Project and Groundwater Recharge Mapping Project – 
Memorandum 
Freshwater Specialist William Shulba summarized the memorandum and highlighted the 
following: 
 The consulting portion of the Aquifer Conceptualization Project and Groundwater 
Recharge Mapping Project has been completed; and 
 The next steps are to integrate the maps into planning services and develop a 
communication strategy. 
 
Discussion ensued and the following comments and clarifications were noted: 
 Gambier Island identifies two aquifers but there are potentially other unmapped 
aquifers on the island; 
 In order for aquifers to be mapped they need to meet provincial criteria and 
Gambier Island has not been delineated by an aquifer mapping process yet; 
 The majority of Gambier Island is crystalline rock, in which there are few wells; 
 The province does not prioritize mapping aquifers in areas that have minimal well 
users; 
 Groundwater recharge potential is determined by factors such as topography, 
geology, how much precipitation goes into the ground and transpires back into the 
atmosphere, and how much water discharges out of the ground through springs; 
 Potential recharge mapping does not necessarily equate to water availability; and 
 A suitable land analysis is being developed to determine areas of opportunity for 
increased density based on water availability, wildfire risk, and other factors. 
 
GB-2024-027 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to complete PDF versions 
of maps from the Islands Trust Area Aquifer Conceptualization and Groundwater 

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Recharge Mapping for the Gambier Local Trust Area, include them in a staff report with 
a short presentation, and publish maps on the website by the next regular meeting on 
July 30, 2024. 
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7.3 Bylaw No. 159 - Minor Amendment to Gambier Local Trust Area Advisory Planning 
Commission Bylaw - Staff Report 
The Planner summarized the staff report and noted the following: 
 The Local Trust Committee requested staff to bring forward an amendment to the 
bylaw to permit fully electronic and hybrid Advisory Planning Commission (APC) 
meetings as in-person meetings are challenging; and 
 There are no staff resources allocated to support the hosting of electronic meetings. 
 
Discussion ensued and the following points were made: 
 It is more complex for staff to travel to the GM LTA to attend an APC meeting in-
person; 
 It is extremely difficult for GM APC members to meet in-person due to geographic 
complexities as some members live in boat access only communities spread 
throughout the LTA; 
 If APC members use their own resources, such as a Zoom account, to host an 
electronic meeting there still remains a requirement to advertise the meeting and to 
make it available for the public to attend; 
 There is a distinction between resource allocation and the recommendation in the 
staff report which is to enable the Local Trust Area to have these types of meetings; 
and 
 Budget allocation is an operational decision. 
 
GB-2024-028 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 159, cited as “Gambier Island 
Local Trust Committee Advisory Planning Commission Bylaw, 2018, Amendment No. 1, 
2024,” be read a first time.  
CARRIED 
GB-2024-029 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 159, cited as “Gambier Island 
Local Trust Committee Advisory Planning Commission Bylaw, 2018, Amendment No. 1, 
2024,” be read a second time.   
CARRIED 
 

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GB-2024-030 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 159, cited as “Gambier Island 
Local Trust Committee Advisory Planning Commission Bylaw, 2018, Amendment No. 1, 
2024,” be read a third time.  
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GB-2024-031 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
That Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 159, cited as “Gambier Island 
Local Trust Committee Advisory Planning Commission Bylaw, 2018, Amendment No. 1, 
2024,” be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive 
Committee.  
CARRIED 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS - none 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS - none 
10. CORRESPONDENCE - none 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
11. NEW BUSINESS 
11.1 Bylaw Enforcement Notification Bylaw of Development Variance Permits - Trustee 
Stamford 
Trustees clarified item is related to Development Permits not Development Variance 
Permits. The Bylaw Enforcement and Compliance Manager noted that there is currently 
not a bylaw enforcement notice penalty for failure to get a development permit within 
development permit areas; however, he recommends that Local Trust Committees use 
the bylaw enforcement notice penalty to enforce the requirement for permits. 
 
Discussion ensued. 
 
GB-2024-032 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee requests a report regarding amendments 
to the Bylaw Enforcement notification system and for addition of a penalty for failure to 
obtain a development permit.   
CARRIED 
 

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12. STAFF REPORTS 
12.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated March 19, 2024 
  Received for information. 
12.2 Trust Conservancy Heron, Spring Edition 
  Received for information. 
12.3 Applications Report dated May 21, 2024 
  Received for information. 
12.4 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated March, 2024 
  Received for information. 
12.5 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
  Received for information. 
12.6 First Nations Relationship Building Update - none 
12.7 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
  No changes at this time. 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Active Projects Report dated May 21, 2024 
  Received for information. 
13.2 Future Projects Report dated May 21, 2024 
  Received for information. 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 11:00 am at Gambier 
Island Community Centre, 721 Andy's Bay Rd, Gambier Island. 
15. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent, the meeting was adjourned at 11:45 am. 
 
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Peter Luckham, Chair 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Lisa Millard, Recorder