Mayne Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, June 24, 2024

[0:00:00] Voice 11: Good afternoon, everyone. Good morning, afternoon, members of the Maine Island Local Trust Committee and members of the public.

[0:00:07] Voice 11: My name is Toby Elliott. I'm chair of the LTC, and we are here for our regular business meeting.

[0:00:16] Voice 11: So I'd like to call the meeting to order and do an acknowledgement.

[0:00:22] Voice 11: And as always, we are grateful to be living, working, and stewarding as best we are able

[0:00:30] Voice 11: the lands of the Osamich peoples and their essentialities here in Osamich Territory.

[0:00:37] Voice 11: So, we have an agenda for us.

[0:00:40] Voice 11: Actually, I'll introduce your fellow trustees.

[0:00:43] Voice 11: Sorry.

[0:00:44] Voice 11: Jenny Dodd.

[0:00:45] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:00:46] Voice 11: David Monix.

[0:00:47] Voice 11: and we have uh rpm regional contractor robert do you know with us today and lisa

[0:00:56] Voice 11: pillard is in the background too thank you uh so we have an agenda before us um anything to add or

[0:01:04] Voice 11: not i want to add under new business the georgina point water tanks concerns all right so underneath

[0:01:12] Voice 11: point road

[0:01:12] Voice 11: 13 point road tanks tank concerns that'll be 13.2 dirty to point

[0:01:26] Voice 11: what tank concerns yeah water water

[0:01:28] Voice 11: anything great so i'll take it by general consent that the

[0:01:38] Voice 11: agenda is approved as amended and so we open um first to hear from members of the community so

[0:01:46] Voice 11: this is our town hall time for comments and questions for consideration um i actually have

[0:01:54] Voice 11: a new set of notes which cannot be necessary to read out you know just for the second time

[0:02:02] Voice 11: um so we have a policy on recording and so this really only affects us this is about personal

[0:02:11] Voice 11: recordings of meetings as you know all of our meetings are live streamed and

[0:02:16] Voice 11: reported but lately local governments are

[0:02:42] Voice 11: it's really for your company not us we're unfortunately being recorded and live streamed

[0:02:47] Voice 11: all the time um so we um we just ask that if you have a reporting device and you want to use it

[0:02:55] Voice 11: just let me know so that i can inform the other members of the public so all right we'll open

[0:03:02] Voice 11: the floor and if you just raise your hand let us know your name and um speak to any item on

[0:03:08] Voice 11: the agenda or any item of local business yes sir i

[0:03:14] Voice 7: think we'd both like to speak to one night bylaw

[0:03:17] Voice 7: 193 and the impact of the church site and i'll let my lovely wife go first being

[0:03:22] Voice 11: of that moving

[0:03:24] Voice 11: towards elderly i can't get the glasses on i don't see anything so we've got a brief about seven

[0:03:31] Voice 11: minute statement uh that we'd like to share with everybody here and we are able to ask after any

[0:03:37] Voice 11: questions should you have in local trust committee trust employees and fellow main islanders my name

[0:03:44] Voice 11: is deb mill and my husband and i have owned property near the church of saint mary magdalene

[0:03:49] Voice 11: for approximately 20 years we strongly disagree that sections 2.27 through 2.31 of the proposed

[0:03:59] Voice 11: bylaw 193 are minor as they relate to the zoning of the church property and the significant

[0:04:06] Voice 11: density that would be committed. We also repeat the suggestions in the staff reports that the

[0:04:13] Voice 11: rebuilding of this location for 16 dwelling units meets Maine's official community plan

[0:04:19] Voice 11: and the island's trust policy. You have also received recently submissions from Dr. Wayne

[0:04:26] Voice 11: Peace, who has owned property in our neighborhood for 25 years and is an engineer who is very

[0:04:32] Voice 11: familiar with neighborhood wells as well as water catchment. He warned how

[0:04:38] Voice 11: this multiple housing project could never be supported by the water from our

[0:04:42] Voice 11: existing wells or by rainwater. He's in Alberta today and was unfortunately

[0:04:47] Voice 11: unable to attend. However, his report demonstrates Island's Trust has ignored

[0:04:53] Voice 11: this fact and not even bothered to investigate. Mr. Garth White and his very

[0:04:58] Voice 11: young family are relatively new to our neighborhood and have owned property for approximately five

[0:05:04] Voice 11: years his submissions also oppose any multi-family complexes on the church property as a commercial

[0:05:11] Voice 11: real estate expert he knows that any type of urban style apartments are likely to be built

[0:05:17] Voice 11: and that those would never fit in with the natural beauty and the aesthetic of the church property

[0:05:22] Voice 11: he also believes this is not a minor zoning amendment and that our community plan does

[0:05:28] Voice 11: does not support stacked townhouses on this site.

[0:05:32] Voice 11: You have now received multiple objections from three taxpayers

[0:05:36] Voice 11: who have over 50 years' experience either living full-time

[0:05:39] Voice 11: or as part-time members of the neighborhood on Georgina Point Road.

[0:05:43] Voice 11: We collectively represent backgrounds in engineering, medicine,

[0:05:47] Voice 11: commercial real estate, owner-builder certification, and risk management.

[0:05:52] Voice 11: All of us have lived in harmony alongside the church.

[0:05:55] Voice 11: Many of us have worked on the church, attended church fairs, and some of us have even filed the driveways and dug graves for the church as good neighbors.

[0:06:05] Voice 11: One of the reasons we have made submissions and are here today is to help save the church from a rezoning bylaw that will not only affect the historic, scenic beauty of the church and the graveyard,

[0:06:17] Voice 11: but actually the entire health, safety, and welfare of the surrounding community.

[0:06:21] Voice 11: community. Water conservation, collection and sustainability are huge issues for everybody

[0:06:27] Voice 11: on Main Island. Some types of affordable housing on Main Island make sense. Zoning a residential

[0:06:35] Voice 11: neighbourhood for 16 dwelling units with no sustainable well or feasible rainwater does

[0:06:42] Voice 11: not. Not only does this proposal violate almost every major guideline of when it concerns

[0:06:49] Voice 11: water in the official community plan, but there is also a serious likelihood that it would collapse

[0:06:55] Voice 11: our entire community's wall systems, which, as many people may not know, are already fragile

[0:07:02] Voice 11: and are saltwater intruded. Just because a senior's residence was proposed over 20 years ago

[0:07:09] Voice 11: does not entitle Islands Trust to automatically try to approve rezoning with no plans, no

[0:07:16] Voice 11: no investigative work, and no information for the community,

[0:07:19] Voice 11: plus no public hearing, and to ignore its own current guidelines

[0:07:23] Voice 11: in the

[0:07:24] Voice 11: OCP and the Islands Trust policy.

[0:07:26] Voice 11: There's been no science put forward by the Islands Trust

[0:07:30] Voice 11: as to how well water or even rainwater collection

[0:07:33] Voice 11: could ever be collected to support a multiplex development

[0:07:37] Voice 11: and the resulting consequences to the neighbourhood aquifer.

[0:07:41] Voice 11: It is interesting

[0:07:43] Voice 11: when you read the Main Island Community Plan,

[0:07:45] Voice 11: It makes common sense if it's fallen.

[0:07:48] Voice 11: Protect the environment and the natural beauty of the island.

[0:07:52] Voice 11: Be respectful of your water and make sure you have enough for the future.

[0:07:56] Voice 11: Maintain the rural and aesthetic characteristics of our island

[0:08:00] Voice 11: and be mindful of what developments will do to adjoining properties and communities.

[0:08:06] Voice 11: In fact, in settling a residential neighbourhood like ours,

[0:08:10] Voice 11: it also directs that we maintain the health and safety of our neighbourhoods.

[0:08:14] Voice 11: And that's perhaps one of my biggest concerns, and it should be one of the island's trust's biggest concerns also.

[0:08:21] Voice 11: To actually consider putting children and seniors onto a steep ocean site along a very busy, winding road

[0:08:29] Voice 11: exposes them all to significant unnecessary risk.

[0:08:33] Voice 11: With no sidewalks, no lighting, an eight-block walk to town, and a mile for children to walk to school

[0:08:39] Voice 11: is probably one of the most ill-thought-out plans ever conceived for our island.

[0:08:45] Voice 8: Thanks. I'll just jump in there, guys. Sorry, I've got to stand. I've just had some surgery and I can't sit.

[0:08:51] Voice 8: So I agree. And, you know, just spending the morning watching the large traffic down Georgina Point Road or Friday night watching vehicles whisk past the church and, you know, off the ferries, quick to go.

[0:09:05] Voice 8: And you get an idea of how busy and congested and dangerous Georgina Point Road can be.

[0:09:10] Voice 8: And we're one of the few people that live there, so we see it all.

[0:09:13] Voice 8: all, but safety and common sense must prevail over convenience. It shouldn't matter if the

[0:09:19] Voice 8: Anglican Archdiocese may or may not donate this land to an over-settled developer. It

[0:09:26] Voice 8: should also not matter that this land is ready to go for something. What should matter, it's

[0:09:33] Voice 8: much more important that we look at a safe location for young families and seniors, and

[0:09:39] Voice 8: not necessarily large urban multifamily projects in that area. This major rezoning is not compliant

[0:09:46] Voice 8: with our community plan and I really believe you should defer further reading of this bylaw

[0:09:51] Voice 8: for those sections. It could never comply given the lack of water and the pristine aesthetic of

[0:09:57] Voice 8: the site under section 1.2 of the community plan and the unsuitable location for the density

[0:10:03] Voice 8: proposed. This area is already a congested location on our island with church activities

[0:10:09] Voice 8: these most days of the week tourist traffic especially events like the church fair and you

[0:10:13] Voice 8: know what living next door those things have only grown since covid as we all know the province of

[0:10:20] Voice 8: bc created islands trust in 74 in response to the potential environmental effects on dense

[0:10:25] Voice 8: residential subdivisions in the gulf islands the idea was to preserve and protect and i'd ask you

[0:10:32] Voice 8: again to remember this ideal because despite the political pressures on you etc some things we all

[0:10:38] Voice 8: have to realize some things can be irreparably harmed and I would propose that this church site

[0:10:43] Voice 8: is one of those and you know only two years ago Islands Trust Governance did a report it was done

[0:10:51] Voice 8: by Great Northern Management in 2022 and they here's what they said they warned the Islands

[0:10:56] Voice 8: Trust did not have a clear understanding of how even the current population and activity could be

[0:11:01] Voice 8: sustained it's important and I'm going to read this just quickly here's what the report said

[0:11:08] Voice 8: the land use planning function consumes nearly three quarters of the island's trust annual budget

[0:11:13] Voice 8: and its activities have a direct impact on virtually every resident of the trust area

[0:11:18] Voice 8: yet there is no comprehensive analysis of the trust's capacity to sustain current population

[0:11:24] Voice 8: and activity or its ability to accommodate more growth and development especially in light of

[0:11:30] Voice 8: climate change and other considerations even more importantly the absence of an overarching vision

[0:11:36] Voice 8: for the whole area sets out setting out limits for growth and measures for protection of the

[0:11:42] Voice 8: environment and sustainability must be addressed that was only two years ago and when i read that

[0:11:47] Voice 8: i hear them saying slow down guys but we better make sure we know what we're doing to conclude

[0:11:53] Voice 8: the proposal for senior senior only housing was devised more than 20 years ago perhaps with good

[0:11:59] Voice 8: intentions but but without any comprehensive research and how it can be sustained what it

[0:12:05] Voice 8: would do to the environment, water, or the fact that the residential, it already had

[0:12:12] Voice 8: a church in the residential area. There's no evidence to show today how it even qualified

[0:12:20] Voice 8: for a CD1 back then, let alone today. So, Islands Trust has now recycled this original

[0:12:29] Voice 8: plan under the guise of a minor land use by-law. This multi-family rezoning was just lumped

[0:12:36] Voice 8: in with 15 other bylaw changes there's been no comprehensive research and analysis conducted

[0:12:41] Voice 8: regarding a lot of serious issues that exist and there are dozens of quality of life issues noise

[0:12:49] Voice 8: vehicle storage parking congestion pollution garbage none of these have been discussed with

[0:12:54] Voice 8: our community in fact there's been no transparency or accountability or evidence from islands trust

[0:13:00] Voice 8: regarding anything in the bylaw there are you know the staff report today outlines its requirement to

[0:13:06] Voice 8: have a public hearing um and before that a community information meeting and none of this

[0:13:13] Voice 8: was done because you don't have to if you deem it as a minor bylaw and just say it's compliant with

[0:13:20] Voice 8: the ocp that absolves you of doing those things i don't agree with that no one in our neighborhood

[0:13:26] Voice 8: has ever been approached or consulted regarding this housing project prior to a decision being

[0:13:31] Voice 8: made by the Islands Trust. We've had to find it out for ourselves. It appears sometimes,

[0:13:37] Voice 8: and this may sound harsh, but it does appear that sometimes Islands Trust knows better than

[0:13:43] Voice 8: members of our own neighbourhood what should be built and what is best for us. Despite general

[0:13:48] Voice 8: assurances we will be kept in the loop, we have not felt this is anything like transparency.

[0:13:52] Voice 8: transparency. This latest zoning of 16 family dwellings, which would increase density, could

[0:13:58] Voice 8: double it if you put families in there, up to 64, is called a minor amendment and compliant

[0:14:05] Voice 8: with our island's plan is, to me, a very biased view, and it's against the island's trust

[0:14:12] Voice 8: on policies about fairness, accountability, and being transparent about what's really

[0:14:16] Voice 8: going on. The main island LTC must stop proposing further large urban development on this rural

[0:14:23] Voice 8: historic site. What is being proposed is not a safe long-term solution for

[0:14:28] Voice 8: families or seniors and it does violate several sections of the OCP which I

[0:14:33] Voice 8: pointed out in my submissions and I'm happy to go over with you. Finally there's

[0:14:39] Voice 8: we've talked about the excessive risk from roadway collapse to speeding

[0:14:43] Voice 8: vehicles, steep pedestrian drop-offs to the ocean,

[0:14:48] Voice 8: blinded driveways, a winding unlit road to name a few. The environmental

[0:14:52] Voice 8: issues and impact to the overall area will be significant, particularly given the scarcity of

[0:14:58] Voice 8: water and the aesthetics of several urban multiplexes in this beautiful historic Gulf

[0:15:05] Voice 8: Island location that is loved by Maine Islanders and tourists alike. Thank you for your attention.

[0:15:11] Voice 8: I know it's not easy to hear criticism. We will be happy to answer any questions or go over any

[0:15:17] Voice 8: submissions that have been made by by anybody on your website or or any staff report i've reviewed

[0:15:24] Voice 8: i'm prepared to talk about when you when you can many of us neighbors sincerely you will remove

[0:15:31] Voice 8: and defer any continued reading of these affected sections of the bylaw until you have time for

[0:15:37] Voice 8: considerable more investigation and contemplation of the long-term wisdom of these actions

[0:15:42] Voice 8: Thank you very much.

[0:15:49] Voice 3: I will note

[0:15:55] Voice 3: that we have received your submissions

[0:15:57] Voice 11: and several letters to the

[0:15:59] Voice 11: High Committee and I'm sure all of us have read all of them.

[0:16:03] Voice 11: And there are, I was just checking the website to see that the voice of office has been posted.

[0:16:09] Voice 8: Chair, can I ask a question too? Just a suggestion.

[0:16:12] Voice 8: But in future I've had people ask me where they can see these submissions and they are pretty varied.

[0:16:17] Voice 8: Under projects in the back. And just a suggestion in the interest of the

[0:16:22] Voice 8: openness and transparency that before your meetings, perhaps a

[0:16:25] Voice 8: month before, if there's any correspondence on something

[0:16:30] Voice 8: that's going to be looked at, it could be brought up to the

[0:16:32] Voice 8: meeting site, because I even looked this morning, and there's

[0:16:35] Voice 8: there's nothing you have to, you don't know, there's correspondence

[0:16:39] Voice 8: and when Robert goes to talk about, and I hope it'd be very

[0:16:42] Voice 8: fulsome when he reads out some of the the objections, because I

[0:16:46] Voice 8: think some of them were very pointed, and very interesting.

[0:16:50] Voice 8: So

[0:16:50] Voice 11: I don't think there would be a website unless we can redo every section for every

[0:16:56] Voice 11: trust committee. So right now, all the projects are housed on your main island local trust

[0:17:03] Voice 11: committee website. And so if there's a project that's going on for a year, that's the place

[0:17:08] Voice 11: that you look to find all the correspondence. So you can be posted on a meeting. Sometimes

[0:17:13] Voice 11: it's added to the agenda, but only if it's not to do with the project.

[0:17:17] Voice 11: just saying

[0:17:19] Voice 8: it's on your agenda that you're going to speak to correspondence or that's robert's

[0:17:22] Voice 8: obligation for

[0:17:24] Voice 11: some projects we receive more than 30 or 40 pieces of correspondence and it wouldn't

[0:17:28] Voice 11: be feasible to put it into the agenda so that's where it lives on the website okay yeah

[0:17:35] Voice 11: deborah

[0:17:35] Voice 11: goldman i'm the president of the main island council

[0:17:38] Voice 4: society um i'm just wondering where in

[0:17:41] Voice 4: the process this bylaw that that we're talking about today where is that so

[0:17:46] Voice 11: we will speak to the

[0:17:48] Voice 11: uh but i guess to answer the question we're considering meetings today um the post changes

[0:17:56] Voice 11: have come before the ltc i think at two separate meetings um the ltc has made amendments and then

[0:18:04] Voice 11: sent it to the apc and referred out to all the advisory bodies and agencies and so the report

[0:18:11] Voice 11: that you see today is just for clarification this is not a rezoning and so

[0:18:17] Voice 4: it's in the

[0:18:18] Voice 11: minor bylaw

[0:18:19] Voice 11: changes that we've made numerous minor bylaw changes so um so this is just one of many other

[0:18:26] Voice 11: changes we're making in other areas and this is part of our long-term housing project to facilitate

[0:18:34] Voice 11: facilitate an open up opportunity. So but we will discuss that for the agenda. Okay, I didn't

[0:18:39] Voice 11: see it on the agenda. Oh, okay. It's it's the by it's the minor amendments with

[0:18:44] Voice 11: This

[0:18:45] Voice 3: is a poll agenda, I guess, with ASAP.

[0:18:48] Voice 3: Poll agenda?

[0:18:49] Voice 3: Does anyone have anything?

[0:18:53] Voice 12: Do you want the poll agenda back, please?

[0:18:56] Voice 11: Sure.

[0:18:58] Voice 11: There's a whole lot of amendments that we've made,

[0:19:01] Voice 11: like from Woodchinson was set back to Daryl at the employees.

[0:19:05] Voice 11: So, yeah, in the last meeting, the review was to consider

[0:19:11] Voice 11: whether the changes were eclectic or not.

[0:19:14] Voice 11: On the contrary, for a third, it's just a statement about the decision last meeting and then we set to considering the response from the girls, including correspondence, which is going to matter when there is a whole range of L.U.P.

[0:19:41] Voice 10: We're here for like 10.1.

[0:19:43] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:19:44] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:19:47] Voice 11: Okay, the minutes.

[0:19:49] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:19:49] Voice 11: I have a minor change to the minutes.

[0:19:53] Voice 11: So we'll have another opportunity for town hall questions at the end of the meeting.

[0:19:58] Voice 11: We'll now close town hall and move into the rest of our regular business.

[0:20:03] Voice 11: So into our minutes section, we've got just a few minutes.

[0:20:10] Voice 11: So on page eight in my trustee report about the Conservancy, which we met with Adam Olson to discuss a grant

[0:20:19] Voice 11: they had gotten.

[0:20:20] Voice 11: i'm not sure where this ultimate spirit came from so just cross the ultimate spirit part out they

[0:20:25] Voice 11: received a grant from the victoria foundation to foster relationships between the salmon people

[0:20:31] Voice 11: and main island people around the concept of deer and hunting okay so just ultimate spirit

[0:20:40] Voice 11: um did you catch that lisa page eight um under 12.7 trustee report you could just strike the

[0:20:49] Voice 11: the ultimate spirit.

[0:20:52] Voice 6: Yes, Chair, if I can go back, thank you.

[0:21:02] Voice 11: Any other changes?

[0:21:05] Voice 11: OK, so I'll take it by generality.

[0:21:06] Voice 11: We'll drop the minutes of the discussion

[0:21:12] Voice 11: before call-up action.

[0:21:18] Voice 11: So we are saddened.

[0:21:21] Voice 11: There is a child with his abandon us today.

[0:21:24] Voice 11: The original planning manager, Robert, who knows all

[0:21:30] Voice 11: So we're in good hands. We've got a few items that are kind of outstanding, including this

[0:21:39] Voice 11: letter to DMO2. We're

[0:21:44] Voice 3: supposed to all have our own.

[0:21:45] Voice 3: I

[0:21:46] Voice 11: know. I'm sort of

[0:21:47] Voice 11: stranded around thinking about it.

[0:21:50] Voice 11: So any questions or comments or discussion on that callback list?

[0:21:55] Voice 11: the dog the dog park is still in in progress yeah

[0:21:59] Voice 3: a potential

[0:22:02] Voice 11: dog but maybe someday um

[0:22:09] Voice 11: i did want to have a little quick chat about the project charter for the phase two of our

[0:22:17] Voice 11: housing plan the cim to be held by october to include sharing options and sharing um while i

[0:22:30] Voice 11: was on salt spring i got to meet with a builder who's done a report for the salt spring veteran

[0:22:36] Voice 11: task force housing task force and he did this excellent 50-page analysis um for the dc building

[0:22:44] Voice 11: Code and Tiny Homes. And sort of the ecological environmental savings that are achieved typically.

[0:22:54] Voice 11: This report's very dense. It's actually only on the Osteros website. Our little tiny house

[0:22:59] Voice 11: housing work group has been reading it.

[0:23:01] Voice 11: But I was wondering if you have an appetite to invite

[0:23:06] Voice 11: somebody like that to talk about small homes or yeah I have the appetite but I don't know you're

[0:23:16] Voice 11: going to get the audience because first off we're even get the speaking to the housing people you

[0:23:21] Voice 11: know where are you going to find the land so me and Anna has always struggled terribly going back

[0:23:25] Voice 11: to like our seniors housing that started about 40 years ago um you know if you had I think it's a

[0:23:32] Voice 11: bit premature at this point well because unless we know that we've had an interest within the

[0:23:38] Voice 11: community on any kind of project but i really don't think that we we do we have a lot of feedback

[0:23:46] Voice 11: from the community individual community members but wanting to move tiny homes forward okay there's

[0:23:54] Voice 11: a problem there's a challenge with the crd right so they

[0:23:58] Voice 4: but this is a land

[0:23:59] Voice 11: share so this is

[0:24:00] Voice 11: basically the concept is that you like a trailer part tiny home park whatever also a little land

[0:24:06] Voice 11: but this is not about one person it could be yeah i mean if it was a general conversation

[0:24:18] Voice 11: about tiny homes and you actually had a builder come in and talk about that that's what i'm

[0:24:22] Voice 11: proposing yes okay

[0:24:23] Voice 11: okay if it's about land

[0:24:24] Voice 11: sharing then that's well yeah tiny homes yes

[0:24:30] Voice 11: A tiny home builder and different types of management agreements, so that we could have

[0:24:36] Voice 11: a forum and explore those options with the community.

[0:24:40] Voice 11: That's kind of what I was thinking about without Marisa here, I'm not sure.

[0:24:44] Voice 11: And I think it's a bit premature, I think you're thinking about July, that's too premature.

[0:24:48] Voice 11: Oh, October, by

[0:24:50] Voice 1: then, yes, okay,

[0:24:51] Voice 11: it's almost there.

[0:24:51] Voice 11: no okay so if i could bring somebody in

[0:24:55] Voice 11: who's kind of done a bunch of thinking about it i'm

[0:24:59] Voice 11: trying to get him to do a simplified report because he's got a very technical report about

[0:25:03] Voice 11: the waters like basically saying that there's 80 percent water and energy savings oh um for

[0:25:10] Voice 11: conventional house building versus super tiny homes um and so and he's done the work as part

[0:25:16] Voice 11: part of Salt Springs task force. So I thought, well, and what if

[0:25:21] Voice 11: we had met at other golf islands, like vendors doing

[0:25:25] Voice 11: housing projects? Could we make this a bigger, a bigger, a

[0:25:31] Voice 3: bigger

[0:25:31] Voice 11: forum? But without the CRD?

[0:25:36] Trustee Maude: Would that maybe be a topic for analysis?

[0:25:41] Trustee Maude: I

[0:25:42] Voice 11: think this is for members of the public or community

[0:25:44] Voice 11: information meeting is what's being proposed for October. So it's like how big is the scope

[0:25:51] Voice 11: geographically you want to include other LTCs and get some more thinking on it

[0:25:57] Voice 11: types and forms of building as well as the servicing requirements as well as the

[0:26:04] Voice 11: so those are all the things that are key because so I just wanted to yeah that's the only place

[0:26:10] Voice 11: it's living and at the first point you bring it up in july so that would make sense to me i just

[0:26:16] Voice 11: thought i heard land shared about that's always been assembling block it's actually finding land

[0:26:22] Voice 11: totally so i thought maybe one needs to know more we have a lot of tiny homes already here

[0:26:28] Voice 11: so yeah people with people definitely are thinking of shrinking their footprint yeah

[0:26:33] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:26:34] Voice 11: And I think that is, and especially our flex housing opens that door for that.

[0:26:40] Voice 11: That's right. But it's the key. The key is knowing what are the servicing requirements

[0:26:46] Voice 11: and the foundation requirements and getting them recognized as a dwelling. I mean,

[0:26:52] Voice 11: one of the questions is how is a dwelling defined in your housing? So it's, I'm not sure where

[0:27:05] Voice 11: that's great that's when

[0:27:07] Voice 11: flex housing started right that was going to flex us when it's all

[0:27:10] Voice 11: okay so should i i'm just going to bring it up with narissa uh

[0:27:18] Voice 12: sure i'll mention it to her as

[0:27:20] Voice 12: well

[0:27:20] Voice 11: yeah perfect scope

[0:27:21] Voice 12: of the october information meeting might be slightly

[0:27:28] Voice 11: right so it says update needed to project charter july

[0:27:32] Voice 11: and so yeah the letter to moti regarding concerns safety and slope stability

[0:27:46] Voice 11: well i'm going to pass it we already did though no well this i'm not ready

[0:27:52] Voice 11: letter well i still think we need to but i think actually what i'm asking is it's coming up i still

[0:28:01] Voice 4: think yes we

[0:28:02] Voice 11: still need to write this letter and the next one too okay so we'll figure it out

[0:28:19] Voice 11: So, yes, as noted, all the correspondence concerning current applications or projects

[0:28:31] Voice 11: are posted on the LTC webpage.

[0:28:32] Voice 11: page. That is just so that they can all be in one place and

[0:28:37] Voice 11: looked at in context, we don't want to privilege

[0:28:40] Voice 11: so

[0:28:48] Voice 11: reserve dentists change. So we do have now to have patients,

[0:28:54] Voice 11: pages 12 to 18 of your agenda, we feel to

[0:29:09] Voice 12: So temporary use permits, renewal, Seminole Tour Road, ferry terminal, issued the last year, initial temporary use permit,

[0:29:26] Voice 12: purpose being for staff accommodation or contractor accommodation for the CRD trail project to be completed by,

[0:29:38] Voice 12: now we're now estimating august finish date so they have requested renewal

[0:29:44] Voice 12: to recommending one year you know because it would be um it's a renewal it can be approved

[0:29:51] Voice 12: any length of time up to three years it can't be altered though

[0:30:01] Voice 12: patient all the

[0:30:05] Voice 3: permit

[0:30:06] Voice 12: was originally issued to trailers factory built trade

[0:30:11] Voice 12: trailers and one travel trailer water tank

[0:30:15] Voice 12: and a above ground septic holding tank permitted and installed.

[0:30:22] Voice 12: Let's move back over to you, Chair.

[0:30:28] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:30:34] Trustee Maude: One thing that came up a year ago,

[0:30:36] Trustee Maude: I don't know if it ever got resolved,

[0:30:39] Trustee Maude: was if all this was undertaken without a building permit.

[0:30:43] Trustee Maude: And there was concern from CRD

[0:30:44] Trustee Maude: that if a building permit had not been taken out.

[0:30:47] Trustee Maude: out. So I just wanted confirmation as to whether or

[0:30:50] Trustee Maude: not there was an existing building permit and an

[0:30:54] Trustee Maude: occupation permit. So

[0:30:55] Voice 11: we are still outstanding.

[0:30:57] Voice 11: That might be a question for them. And I was looking at the

[0:31:01] Voice 11: original permit conditions. See if it didn't require a building

[0:31:07] Voice 7: it

[0:31:07] Voice 3: did it

[0:31:08] Voice 11: did um

[0:31:13] Trustee Maude: um page 16

[0:31:15] Voice 10: .5 okay

[0:31:20] Voice 11: um mr orphan are you here to speak to that for bc fairies and

[0:31:25] Voice 11: could you answer the question from the trustee regarding whether

[0:31:28] Voice 11: or wait wouldn't it be it's here do you have one

[0:31:41] Voice 11: the contractor

[0:31:42] Voice 10: we haven't applied for a building permit i was not clear on that i didn't think i

[0:31:50] Voice 10: thought we needed to have the additional water i didn't realize that we didn't actually need

[0:31:54] Voice 10: that building for that they're completely mobile with travel trailers wasn't sure what a building

[0:32:00] Voice 10: in permanent wood well

[0:32:02] Trustee Maude: with crd with aqua style buildings they want to see seismic ties and such

[0:32:07] Trustee Maude: there's quite a process for installing

[0:32:10] Voice 10: they're they're on

[0:32:11] Voice 10: wheels though yeah they're not they're

[0:32:13] Voice 10: not like uh like an aqua style is typically doesn't have their own their own undercarriage

[0:32:19] Voice 10: for that so

[0:32:20] Voice 11: is there a red tag on any of them no no okay it was not red tag

[0:32:36] Voice 11: Okay, so it does say our permit that is issued is not a building permit does not remove any

[0:32:43] Voice 11: obligation from the part of the permittee to comply with all of the requirements bylaw

[0:32:48] Voice 11: and to obtain other approvals necessary for completion of development security island health

[0:32:55] Voice 11: the ministry of transportation and construction so that's what you're referring to that um the

[0:33:00] Voice 11: other agencies we don't sign off on that

[0:33:03] Voice 10: we're just issuing it yeah i i didn't speak to beha

[0:33:06] Voice 10: they said because it's uh i think i'm less than six people they don't have any permitting

[0:33:12] Voice 10: requirements for that and like i said they're they're travel trailers essentially i mean the

[0:33:18] Voice 10: the two are are larger than but they're they're essentially travel trailers

[0:33:23] Voice 10: so

[0:33:23] Voice 11: to put something safely on the ground

[0:33:30] Voice 11: make sure that they've been there a long

[0:33:33] Voice 4: time have

[0:33:34] Voice 11: they already been there

[0:33:35] Voice 11: yes they've

[0:33:38] Voice 10: been there for a while but like for the travel trainer would i get it building from

[0:33:49] Voice 12: So a travel trailer is outside the scope of the building code, there's no building permit.

[0:33:54] Voice 12: But for factory built accommodation, like a mobile home, for example, is an empty 40

[0:34:00] Voice 12: mobile home, to put it on a foundation or for blocks, building inspection wants to inspect

[0:34:08] Voice 12: the blocking.

[0:34:09] Voice 10: They're trailers, they're not...

[0:34:11] Voice 12: No, I'm just

[0:34:13] Voice 12: telling you what the difference is.

[0:34:14] Voice 12: Well, that's

[0:34:15] Voice 1: where a building

[0:34:16] Voice 12: permit would come in to become a requirement, something like that, if it was supported on a foundation.

[0:34:26] Voice 12: So, I mean, the suggestion would be to contact the CRD.

[0:34:32] Voice 12: The

[0:34:32] Voice 11: reality is they're very visible. I'm sure if I have no doubt that the building inspector has seen them.

[0:34:39] Voice 11: I'm

[0:34:40] Trustee Maude: trying to pull up the email because there's a Nina from

[0:34:42] Trustee Maude: CRD saying to us, why is there no permit here?

[0:34:48] Trustee Maude: I'm trying to find it here.

[0:34:50] Voice 11: We'll give you a bit of time. We don't have to race through this.

[0:34:52] Trustee Maude: I asked last week and nobody got back to me, so I assume it was being looked into.

[0:34:59] Voice 11: There has been no complaints from the producers in the last year.

[0:35:03] Voice 11: Will, yeah, Ali, pardon me.

[0:35:06] Voice 11: Go ahead.

[0:35:07] Voice 11: yeah

[0:35:07] Voice 1: hi everybody um yeah so just uh when this initially was uh brought forth uh by mr maude

[0:35:16] Voice 1: i had looked into it quite extensively with the crd and i had connected with their building

[0:35:21] Voice 1: services department um and i spoke with a fellow from there and he said he was going to

[0:35:29] Voice 1: he did not have any concerns with it at that point when i had spoken with him

[0:35:33] Voice 1: and he was going to raise it with his superior and if there was any further action that we would

[0:35:41] Voice 1: be contacted and we did not receive any communication beyond that point so yeah you

[0:35:51] Voice 1: know when it came forth we definitely took it right to the regulator to to see what we could do

[0:35:57] Voice 1: to um you know if if we required action but we there was no uh communication beyond that point

[0:36:05] Voice 1: okay

[0:36:07] Voice 3: thank you so you

[0:36:13] Voice 11: said you had an email more recently than this

[0:36:15] Trustee Maude: would have been like a year

[0:36:17] Trustee Maude: ago at least yeah

[0:36:18] Trustee Maude: so that's why i had to ask about it so

[0:36:22] Voice 11: it sounds like they've followed up

[0:36:24] Voice 11: and if there was no further action required are you satisfied that i

[0:36:31] Trustee Maude: guess i just i like

[0:36:32] Trustee Maude: like to see these things in writing but yeah

[0:36:34] Voice 11: without a red tag on there i mean i think we

[0:36:37] Voice 11: would have heard if there was a red tag i presume because just these are trailers these are not

[0:36:42] Voice 11: mobile homes that are being set for me so these are trailers on wheels so i'm assuming that crd

[0:36:48] Voice 11: had a look and said they weren't concerned okay but what this statement to me says is that you

[0:36:55] Voice 11: that's your responsibility not

[0:36:57] Voice 11: ours just so people are clear on yeah i i think it's a

[0:37:00] Voice 11: i mean okay i mean i'm satisfied with with that explanation i

[0:37:05] Voice 3: don't think there was

[0:37:06] Voice 11: but they're actually talking about a crp they would have um you know um so any

[0:37:15] Voice 11: conversation on the length of the term if the work's going to be finished in actually august

[0:37:20] Voice 11: no okay maybe not

[0:37:24] Voice 4: a year might not be

[0:37:25] Voice 11: a year may not be sorry

[0:37:26] Voice 4: but but you but you still have all

[0:37:30] Voice 4: the nail you know the the

[0:37:31] Voice 11: nailer road property to do that from maple drive to the other road

[0:37:35] Voice 10: yeah i actually so we'll be

[0:37:38] Voice 10: done by august i well i received um the the approval to start that

[0:37:44] Voice 10: today oh

[0:37:45] Voice 10: okay so okay

[0:37:46] Voice 4: nonetheless it's foolish for us to make it you know keep

[0:37:49] Voice 11: coming back i mean i

[0:37:51] Voice 10: think i think a year will be more

[0:37:53] Voice 11: than enough yeah more than enough but certainly three months

[0:37:56] Voice 11: with 53. right to the contractor's mouth now you've got it on camera

[0:38:02] Voice 4: all right okay i move that the main analytical trust committee approve issuance of a renewal

[0:38:08] Voice 4: temporary use permit

[0:38:09] Voice 11: pltup 2024 0004 orphan bc fairies incorporated for a period of one year

[0:38:18] Voice 11: Move by Trustee Dodds. Seconded by Trustee Maud.

[0:38:22] Voice 11: Any further discussion? All those in favor?

[0:38:25] Voice 11: That is carried. Excellent. Thank you, Mr. Orff, for joining today.

[0:38:30] Voice 11: Thank you for coming. You're free to go.

[0:38:33] Voice 11: You can watch us. Fascinating work, really.

[0:38:37] Voice 7: Thank you, everybody. Thank you.

[0:38:41] Voice 1: Have a great day.

[0:38:43] Voice 11: Yeah, have a great day, and let's get that done.

[0:38:46] Voice 11: well that's not your job

[0:38:49] Voice 11: um so we can advertise now that this is going to start tomorrow and be done by

[0:38:56] Voice 11: this will be done by superintendents very

[0:38:59] Voice 10: ambitious but but

[0:39:00] Voice 11: the important part is the

[0:39:02] Voice 11: village bay hill so that's done even by july 1st that's so much such a difference there that would

[0:39:07] Voice 11: be great the the maple drive bit it's the icing on the cake and we really look for it and then

[0:39:13] Voice 11: somebody putting a sign to say use the trail it's really easy oh and

[0:39:19] Voice 3: what

[0:39:20] Voice 11: about the dead tree

[0:39:22] Voice 11: the big dead tree on the on your side halfway down before you go to mount park you see the big dead

[0:39:30] Voice 11: let's see it really big like big dead also to take a look at can't miss it it's huge and it's bad

[0:39:38] Voice 11: it's good well that's three phase power yeah so when that tree comes down

[0:39:43] Voice 11: um when you're coming from the ferry it's very noticeable maybe not so much from the map park

[0:39:48] Voice 11: side but definitely if you look there's in the lights there you can't miss it

[0:39:53] Voice 3: okay

[0:39:55] Voice 11: great thank

[0:39:56] Voice 11: you sir thank you

[0:39:58] Voice 11: keep our power on two minutes

[0:39:59] Voice 11: that's huge okay so application

[0:40:27] Voice 11: So

[0:40:28] Voice 12: this is one of the final conditions of the subdivision application for the Maine

[0:40:35] Voice 12: Island Housing Society site that was rezoned a couple of years ago, maybe only a couple

[0:40:40] Voice 12: years ago now um they've been going through the subdivision process since then um one of the

[0:40:46] Voice 12: conditions of subdivision is for portable water to be proposed is that the lot two proposed lot

[0:40:53] Voice 12: two which would be the middle lot um that uh they got a covenant to local trust committee and the crd

[0:41:02] Voice 12: with no development permitted until such time in the future that uh the lot uh the conditions of

[0:41:11] Voice 12: the land use bylaw and those could be either by a new drilled well that meets the standards of

[0:41:18] Voice 12: bylaw or an easement agreement for an agency. This type of covenants authorized in the land

[0:41:28] Voice 12: use bylaw servicing regulations that covenant is attached and the resolutions that would

[0:41:39] Voice 12: authorize this is on the ltc except the covenant by resolution and second uh designate the chair

[0:41:47] Voice 12: so i

[0:41:51] Voice 11: have a question has the application been submitted to moti or this is the way

[0:41:55] Voice 12: this is the

[0:41:55] Voice 12: final final stages okay yeah so

[0:42:03] Voice 11: let's just put the onus on a future land of block two

[0:42:15] Voice 11: I have actually a more current map than what's in there, and I think it would be useful for

[0:42:22] Voice 11: you to have it.

[0:42:22] Voice 11: It is the survey map.

[0:42:37] Voice 11: I would love to say a few words, you'd be interested to know that we

[0:42:43] Voice 11: have come to the

[0:42:45] Voice 11: the end of the process of fulfilling the requirements for the preliminary land review

[0:42:51] Voice 11: from MOTI and as Robert had said

[0:42:53] Voice 11: we're at the last part of it where we're approving the wording for

[0:42:57] Voice 11: the covenants and the easements so that's a very significant piece for us and once we get that

[0:43:02] Voice 11: those approved and and and registered on the 10 acre parcel then

[0:43:10] Voice 4: the whole package the final

[0:43:11] Voice 4: package goes back to Moti for their approval and we understand there won't be any uh any concerns

[0:43:17] Voice 11: at that point so it's fabulous that is milestone trust and further to some of the um some of the

[0:43:28] Voice 11: wording I think that that Phil had put in his report we have heard from the landowners and

[0:43:33] Voice 11: they're in agreement with this learning that was not determined at the time of school had

[0:43:45] Voice 11: I'm just asked where it says area three that's a septic for you yeah

[0:43:50] Voice 4: I think so that's that's

[0:43:52] Voice 4: the septic that's yeah it goes into lot two that's that's right there's a legend at the

[0:43:57] Voice 4: top of that oh in where they oh where where we remember speaks to um lot three is the easement

[0:44:05] Voice 4: Yeah, that's the septic. Okay. And all the work that we had done on lot three was very

[0:44:15] Voice 4: satisfactory for

[0:44:16] Voice 11: the purpose of the subdivision. So that was really good to know. But then

[0:44:21] Voice 11: we had to work on the other requirements. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's very good. I can

[0:44:29] Voice 11: move to motion this

[0:44:31] Trustee Maude: one one question like with page 20. um half a page says that the

[0:44:36] Trustee Maude: time writing accused legal counsel has not reviewed the most recent saturation of the

[0:44:40] Trustee Maude: covenant our staff anticipate this big improvement time with ltc meeting is that

[0:44:44] Trustee Maude: i didn't understand what you just spoke to

[0:44:48] Trustee Maude: that right yeah she

[0:44:49] Voice 11: just said she just said they

[0:44:50] Voice 11: confirmed they they have seen an approved uh okay

[0:44:53] Trustee Maude: that's yeah yeah yeah yeah i

[0:44:56] Trustee Maude: just thought i thought

[0:44:56] Trustee Maude: we were going to get something in writing or

[0:44:58] Voice 11: something okay yeah it would have been good to

[0:45:04] Voice 11: have that in writing or communicated through staff it just came in do you want me to send

[0:45:10] Voice 11: an email to you well it would

[0:45:12] Voice 11: be nice we

[0:45:13] Voice 4: should have it for a record so

[0:45:14] Voice 11: yeah that would be great

[0:45:15] Voice 4: absolutely um chair

[0:45:22] Voice 6: elliott yes

[0:45:23] Voice 11: is

[0:45:26] Voice 6: that the applicant speaking or somebody else

[0:45:29] Voice 11: oh it's the main island housing housing society we're the agent for the owner

[0:45:36] Voice 6: thank you um

[0:45:40] Voice 11: because we can

[0:45:41] Voice 4: always put a clause in here but i move that the main

[0:45:44] Voice 4: local trust committee accept the section 219 covenant that is attachment one

[0:45:48] Voice 4: to this report

[0:45:50] Voice 11: for main island or for m-a-s-u-b excuse me 2023.1

[0:46:03] Voice 11: or comfortable as long as we do get confirmation perhaps that the BQs have signed off on this draft plan,

[0:46:12] Voice 3: that would be great.

[0:46:15] Voice 11: Yeah. Robert, can you speak to this at all?

[0:46:19] Voice 11: I'll

[0:46:19] Voice 12: just send the email to Phil.

[0:46:23] Voice 12: Both resolutions?

[0:46:25] Voice 12: Sure.

[0:46:26] Voice 11: So, well, yeah, let's vote on that one first. All those in favour? And that is carried.

[0:46:31] Voice 11: I move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee designate the Chair of the Local Trust Committee

[0:46:37] Voice 11: to sign the covenant.

[0:46:39] Voice 11: So don't sign it again.

[0:46:40] Voice 11: I'll have to stop writing a letter.

[0:46:42] Voice 11: I didn't sign it.

[0:46:44] Voice 11: Moved by Trustee Dodd, seconded by Trustee Maud.

[0:46:47] Voice 11: Any further discussion?

[0:46:49] Voice 11: And all those in favour?

[0:46:51] Voice 11: Aye.

[0:46:51] Voice 11: That gets carried.

[0:46:53] Voice 11: Excellent.

[0:46:53] Voice 11: Well, congratulations on this final piece.

[0:46:56] Voice 11: And we look forward to hearing your success from MOTI maybe after the election.

[0:47:01] Voice 11: I don't know if they get affected by things like that.

[0:47:04] Voice 11: Yes, we hope it's in for the election.

[0:47:06] Voice 11: Yes, hopefully.

[0:47:09] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:47:10] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:47:13] Voice 11: Excellent.

[0:47:13] Voice 11: So now we move to our minor projects.

[0:47:18] Voice 11: Page 26 of your agenda.

[0:47:20] Voice 11: There is a short report.

[0:47:26] Voice 11: Mr. Robert, if you could please take this one as well.

[0:47:30] Voice 12: Thank you, Chair.

[0:47:30] Voice 12: Chair. So this is back on your agenda. Number of local trust committee meetings, going through

[0:47:38] Voice 12: the various proposed amendments. Last meeting, you had a draft version. Again, since then,

[0:47:47] Voice 12: notice of first reading has been provided. Referrals, agency invitations, report identifies

[0:47:58] Voice 12: of these three First Nations affected. No further responses

[0:48:05] Voice 12: from nations. Campbell Bay Music Festival supports the

[0:48:09] Voice 12: amendments, comments, application, respect to

[0:48:18] Voice 12: Campbell Bay specifically. There's no concerns. No

[0:48:22] Voice 12: concerns. No concerns. Feedback has been received from three

[0:48:29] Voice 12: neighbors property today at the town hall the letters was points it's on the agenda for first

[0:48:43] Voice 12: second and third reading executive committee this time hasn't received any readings yet the ltc

[0:48:49] Voice 12: could make further amendments to it now uh once you give a third reading uh you have to bring it

[0:48:58] Voice 12: about let's

[0:49:05] Voice 11: just go is everyone with the amendments leaving off maybe discussion on the

[0:49:16] Voice 11: 2.27 senior city government comprehensive development is everything else um changes

[0:49:23] Voice 11: the

[0:49:24] Trustee Maude: only ones i have is 2.16 um the space 33 um we talked about landscape screening yeah and i

[0:49:34] Trustee Maude: don't know if it's going to add it in or if i just catch it but it's talking about um not less

[0:49:40] Trustee Maude: than one and a half meters in height and height for landscape speed yeah that's

[0:49:44] Trustee Maude: awful low to in

[0:49:45] Trustee Maude: my mind for landscape speed that

[0:49:47] Voice 11: was the original yeah

[0:49:48] Trustee Maude: so

[0:49:49] Voice 11: do you think that's too low well

[0:49:53] Trustee Maude: that's

[0:49:53] Trustee Maude: the plan or maybe if well

[0:49:55] Voice 11: i mean to build a landscape screen that's eight feet high may

[0:49:58] Voice 11: that be kind of a visual no but

[0:49:59] Trustee Maude: like two meters at six feet like you know this is basically walking

[0:50:03] Voice 11: walking by,

[0:50:04] Trustee Maude: it doesn't catch your eye. Bruce is like, you know,

[0:50:06] Trustee Maude: this is tall,

[0:50:07] Voice 11: but this

[0:50:10] Trustee Maude: high doesn't affect anybody. Yeah.

[0:50:13] Trustee Maude: That's it kind of strikes me as being very

[0:50:15] Trustee Maude: low, but maybe

[0:50:18] Voice 11: we have a set size for fences, which is six feet. So we should

[0:50:22] Voice 11: just tie it to that.

[0:50:24] Voice 12: Yeah. So

[0:50:25] Voice 12: like I said, it's draft. So it's section 216 of the amending

[0:50:32] Voice 12: bylaw currently it reads vehicles equipment and material storage must be screened by a landscape

[0:50:39] Voice 12: screen not less than 1.5 meters in height fine with the provisions of section 3.8

[0:50:45] Trustee Maude: which is the

[0:50:46] Trustee Maude: landscape screen so as a planner does it make sense see that 1.5 is a little low yeah

[0:50:51] Voice 11: so can

[0:50:52] Voice 11: we just change that now to what fences are i can't remember if it's two meters that

[0:50:56] Voice 12: we have yeah you

[0:50:57] Voice 12: can strike i said it's draft you can let's

[0:51:00] Voice 11: make it two meters because part of it was a visibility

[0:51:03] Voice 11: it's good for driving so i'm telling

[0:51:05] Voice 3: you or anything i wanted

[0:51:07] Voice 11: to do it and

[0:51:08] Voice 4: on tippy toes

[0:51:10] Voice 11: well it's basically consistent with defense bylaws if you're on a corner lot

[0:51:19] Voice 11: then that

[0:51:20] Voice 11: becomes a problem so that's why we originally had lands fences fences at a certain

[0:51:25] Voice 11: like solid fits to a certain if you're going to talk about screaming and you're going to go eight

[0:51:31] Voice 11: feet then you're going to end up with charlie for sure

[0:51:33] Voice 7: yeah so six six is reasonable

[0:51:34] Voice 11: no no

[0:51:37] Voice 11: so are we happy if

[0:51:39] Voice 4: we get a complaint

[0:51:40] Voice 11: someday we can change it so we will amend section 4.16

[0:51:46] Voice 11: b to read to change from not less than 1.5 meters to two meters of height

[0:51:53] Trustee Maude: for the planners do you want to do that one motion at a time or do you want one on the bus the end

[0:51:57] Trustee Maude: uh

[0:51:58] Voice 12: yeah one motion at a time is great so

[0:52:02] Trustee Maude: i would move that 2.16 b that these uh landscape screening

[0:52:08] Trustee Maude: be uh one point part two point zero meters height rather than 1.5 second that

[0:52:14] Voice 11: seconded by trustee

[0:52:16] Voice 11: does i'll just check um uh south polaris did you catch that just

[0:52:24] Voice 6: affirmative i did

[0:52:25] Voice 11: thank you

[0:52:26] Voice 11: i don't

[0:52:28] Trustee Maude: know why i didn't catch that before all those

[0:52:29] Voice 11: in favor um and i think it carries thank

[0:52:33] Voice 11: you thanks for catching that um so contractor yards derelict vehicles for the contractor yard

[0:52:42] Voice 11: that we amended that's basically the crd bylaw for noise right so it's fine

[0:52:48] Voice 11: i think that was a great

[0:52:54] Voice 11: I didn't see

[0:52:57] Trustee Maude: anything else personally

[0:52:58] Voice 11: but we've

[0:53:01] Trustee Maude: done this five or six times now so hopefully

[0:53:04] Voice 11: we're

[0:53:04] Trustee Maude: getting close to being it's

[0:53:05] Voice 11: close um okay so considering there um continues to be

[0:53:21] Voice 11: So I do want to clarify, we're not changing the zoning. There's nothing added or amended the zoning is in place. And in fact, we'd have to do quite a lot of work. Would we have to remove it? Like, what would stupid question? Yeah, that's a whole different Ken Lippish. That would not be a better project. We also have to do quite a lot of work to remove it.

[0:53:44] Voice 11: have a housing agreement and a covenant. So perhaps Robert

[0:53:48] Voice 11: could speak to the housing agreement and the covenant. This

[0:53:50] Voice 11: is not commercial property.

[0:53:55] Voice 11: Right. So, so the housing

[0:53:58] Voice 11: agreement is like the housing

[0:53:59] Voice 11: society. That's where your teeth are. The covenant is your

[0:54:03] Voice 11: chief. So the concerns so this is related to the concerns that

[0:54:06] Voice 11: have been expressed that developers have come into

[0:54:08] Voice 11: fact so much. This

[0:54:09] Voice 11: is not a development developer's dream.

[0:54:13] Voice 11: So, this is not, this is like our housing society.

[0:54:17] Voice 11: Question to the, how do you restrict development?

[0:54:20] Voice 12: So, the housing

[0:54:21] Voice 12: agreement is adopted by bylaw, it's adopted back in the original, when the

[0:54:27] Voice 12: original property was rezoned to allow the current zoning.

[0:54:32] Voice 12: The housing agreement restricts occupancy by age and it's adopted by bylaw, it's been

[0:54:41] Voice 12: amended at least once I think shortly after the original advice to amend it further the bylaw

[0:54:50] Voice 12: would need to be amended to the bylaw process because it was adopted as part of a public hearing

[0:54:56] Voice 12: process originally you'd have to emulate that public hearing process um it's not subject

[0:55:03] Voice 12: housing bylaw itself is not subject to a public hearing it's a history of bylaw but if you thought

[0:55:09] Voice 12: that it is part of a public

[0:55:10] Voice 3: you

[0:55:12] Voice 12: should similar process uh there's also a covenant

[0:55:19] Voice 12: very strong title trust committee plans attached that are very specific to evolving the proposed

[0:55:27] Voice 12: time and uh that will also have to be changed to build anything other than that covenant

[0:55:38] Voice 12: Covenant? Restricted? Covenant? Yeah. So the LTC of the day will also have to restricts

[0:55:48] Voice 11: occupancy by age. So is it currently still restricting? Yes. Occupants to seniors? No. Okay. That

[0:55:55] Voice 12: would not change as part of it.

[0:55:58] Voice 11: So all this changing as a result of this LEB amendment, this A duplexes will change in the language to 16 units.

[0:56:07] Voice 11: But also, we're not saying they could be duplexes, they could be fourplexes, they could be a

[0:56:17] Voice 11: mini apartment building.

[0:56:18] Voice 11: So it's leaving that flexibility as to what they'll actually look like.

[0:56:22] Voice 11: But the fact is the density is not changing in any way.

[0:56:26] Voice 11: It's not forcing you into making duplexes if there's a better option.

[0:56:31] Voice 11: Can I

[0:56:31] Voice 11: add to that though?

[0:56:32] Voice 11: We're having a business meeting.

[0:56:34] Voice 11: That's incorrect.

[0:56:35] Voice 11: That's incorrect.

[0:56:36] Voice 7: You are changing the density.

[0:56:38] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:56:39] Voice 11: So who can stay in those dwellings is regulated by the

[0:56:46] Voice 11: house.

[0:56:46] Voice 3: Yes. And

[0:56:47] Voice 11: the company would have to be amended if

[0:56:51] Voice 11: there's anybody other than seniors who live there. And

[0:56:54] Voice 11: that would be a public hearing. That would be a public hearing.

[0:56:56] Voice 11: So for the moment, concerns over children running streets is not

[0:57:03] Voice 11: going to happen as a result of this change. I can't talk. So

[0:57:10] Voice 11: And anyways, so that's why we're voting on this.

[0:57:13] Voice 11: It is the zoning.

[0:57:15] Voice 11: Zoning is a lot harder to change in the future.

[0:57:19] Voice 11: And we're setting up our zoning to be more inclusive and more flexible

[0:57:25] Voice 11: than what was envisioned on that property 30, 40 years ago, really.

[0:57:30] Voice 11: That specific property was property number three or four.

[0:57:34] Voice 11: And what it's actually ever going to look like, we don't know.

[0:57:37] Voice 11: But the way that you control what it's going to look like

[0:57:39] Voice 11: will be with your housing agreement and your covenants and those will go to public hearing

[0:57:55] Voice 11: could

[0:57:56] Voice 3: well just be

[0:57:57] Voice 11: so it just changes from thousand years it's always going

[0:58:04] Voice 11: to be comfortable

[0:58:05] Voice 11: but

[0:58:06] Trustee Maude: if i understood from planet travel too there's no cp change also required

[0:58:15] Trustee Maude: for going forward okay

[0:58:19] Voice 11: otherwise we would not be doing it this way no

[0:58:21] Trustee Maude: no but no i think this

[0:58:23] Trustee Maude: is doing this but if anything was ever to happen there's also no

[0:58:27] Trustee Maude: cp change required well if there

[0:58:29] Voice 11: was a whole new proposal that came along and we redid the housing agreement the covenant

[0:58:34] Voice 11: that would be an ocp change yeah no we're just changing what's relative which is considered

[0:58:40] Voice 11: it actually a very minor issue okay are we satisfied with the discussion or are you

[0:58:47] Voice 11: okay

[0:58:49] Voice 12: um

[0:58:57] Voice 11: okay i'll start the readings

[0:59:01] Voice 11: yeah great okay i know what about these did we we included the motion on that one minor change

[0:59:09] Voice 11: no okay so do i refer to that as

[0:59:11] Trustee Maude: a man as

[0:59:12] Voice 11: amended okay that the main uh local trust committee bylaw

[0:59:15] Voice 11: number 193 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2003 amendment number one 2023 as

[0:59:25] Voice 11: amended be read for the first time moved and seconded any further discussion all those in favor

[0:59:34] Voice 11: aye and that is carried we move that the main local trust committee bylaw number 193 cited as

[0:59:41] Voice 11: maine island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number one 2023 as amended we read

[0:59:50] Voice 11: it for a second time seconded by trustee for the discussion all those in favor that's carried

[1:00:00] Voice 11: that the main island local trust committee bylaw number 193 cited as main island land use bylaw

[1:00:05] Voice 11: number 146 2008 amendment number 1 2023 as amended be read for the third time by trustee nods

[1:00:14] Voice 11: seconded by trustee laud all of them

[1:00:18] Voice 11: i'll do the

[1:00:20] Trustee Maude: heavy lifting sorry yes

[1:00:22] Voice 11: that's harry okay

[1:00:25] Trustee Maude: and i will move to the main island

[1:00:26] Trustee Maude: of the trust the violent 193 said it's mainly land use file number 146 2008 amendment number

[1:00:32] Trustee Maude: 1 2023 as amended be forwarded secretary of violence transfer approved by the executive

[1:00:38] Voice 11: second that moved and seconded any further discussion all those in favor that is carried

[1:00:45] Voice 11: so i would

[1:00:45] Voice 11: like to speak one last time on this pilot so the reality is the concerns that you

[1:00:51] Voice 11: raised you know are reasonable if we can't have an application to come in from a non-profit who

[1:00:57] Voice 11: wanted to build the 16 units and it was going to completely change the use of that property

[1:01:02] Voice 11: then in a public hearing we would be looking at that housing agreement in today's lens

[1:01:07] Voice 11: not from 30 years ago so there is that opportunity nothing can get built on this property without

[1:01:13] Voice 11: fulfilling what currently is there which would be back to the seniors the duplexes

[1:01:17] Voice 11: If somebody came and wanted to do something completely different, then they have to revisit that housing agreement and the covenants.

[1:01:25] Voice 11: Those things are still locked in place.

[1:01:27] Voice 11: That hasn't changed at all.

[1:01:28] Voice 11: And yes, there would be a concern.

[1:01:30] Voice 11: Also, the units are restricted in size.

[1:01:32] Voice 11: Less than 900 and something square feet.

[1:01:35] Voice 11: So what was envisioned there is drawings and everything part of that housing agreement.

[1:01:40] Voice 11: So to change any of that is a much more dangerous process.

[1:01:43] Voice 11: This just simply opens and leaves more flexibility, which I think provincially is happening everywhere.

[1:01:51] Voice 11: And also, if you're still really unhappy, you can appeal to the executive committee.

[1:01:55] Voice 11: They're both here, a few of them out of four, to see if they would turn down the bylaw.

[1:02:01] Voice 11: But this is a time for us to do it now, to see if maybe in the future,

[1:02:07] Voice 11: because even for the Housing Society, they would have, if they were given that property,

[1:02:11] Voice 11: instead of what they've been offered at village bay they still would have had to come back to

[1:02:16] Voice 11: us for a complete change in order to fit their project into that site and uh doesn't mean that

[1:02:22] Voice 4: a

[1:02:22] Voice 11: housing society would have wanted to build 16 units they might only wanted to build fewer

[1:02:27] Voice 11: still a lot of work to be done before anybody builds on that site i appreciate what you're

[1:02:32] Voice 11: saying? Yeah. Sorry.

[1:02:34] Voice 11: Thank you. You can speak in the town hall

[1:02:36] Voice 11: at the end.

[1:02:37] Voice 7: That's fine.

[1:02:40] Voice 7: Interesting.

[1:02:44] Trustee Maude: At the appropriate time, like to just roll back to revisit the

[1:02:49] Trustee Maude: previous application.

[1:02:51] Voice 11: Oh, oh, that's very simple. Yeah.

[1:02:54] Voice 11: Yes.

[1:02:55] Trustee Maude: Okay. So my concern is, is that the email is from CRE

[1:02:59] Trustee Maude: building inspection, saying

[1:03:00] Voice 11: that they do require building

[1:03:01] Trustee Maude: over

[1:03:02] Voice 11: let's just close this um portion are we done with feeling you know

[1:03:13] Voice 11: everybody has left the room we managed to

[1:03:16] Voice 11: we're in the room um so we're going back to at the chair's discretion because

[1:03:23] Voice 11: we love jumping around here so what

[1:03:27] Trustee Maude: i would like to is just make a motion that the tup

[1:03:30] Trustee Maude: do not be issued until confirmation is from crd that a building permit is not required because

[1:03:35] Trustee Maude: the email that i've forwarded from the crd building inspection saying if the building

[1:03:40] Trustee Maude: permits are required we

[1:03:41] Voice 11: are not the gatekeepers of the building permits though no

[1:03:44] Trustee Maude: but we're the

[1:03:44] Trustee Maude: keepers for tup and we we have sitting we're just going

[1:03:48] Voice 11: to allow the use we are not no

[1:03:54] Trustee Maude: yeah well the the

[1:04:03] Voice 12: issue really is you can pass the resolution

[1:04:11] Voice 12: The email says, did you send it to, yeah, thank you for a copy of this from Chris Watson.

[1:04:21] Voice 12: Thank you for a copy of your team.

[1:04:23] Voice 12: Last year's.

[1:04:26] Voice 12: Please don't building permits are required for private lands, only provincial and federal

[1:04:30] Voice 12: government lands are exempt, BC ferries will require building permits for the construction

[1:04:34] Voice 12: construction camp with compliance to building code sections of the note the AJH may enter

[1:04:45] Voice 12: into an agreement to exempt permitting process permits may be so I don't know what the outcome

[1:04:52] Voice 12: that was July 12th

[1:04:54] Trustee Maude: so literally the motion would just be just confirm with CRD and that's

[1:04:58] Trustee Maude: the status because it's well

[1:05:01] Voice 11: actually I'll move that we request that trustee mod because

[1:05:04] Voice 11: because you can, on behalf of the Trust Committee, confirm by email from CRD, because I agree,

[1:05:11] Voice 11: but that you actually, so I move that we request that trustee mod write to the CRD to clarify the

[1:05:19] Voice 11: issue of building permit requirements for the temporary trailer locations on the BC Ferries

[1:05:26] Voice 11: property.

[1:05:27] Trustee Maude: I'm fine with that, but protocol-wise, is that appropriate?

[1:05:30] Voice 11: Yeah, because we've opted

[1:05:32] Voice 11: in particular

[1:05:33] Voice 12: you could communicate through

[1:05:37] Voice 11: yeah yeah so

[1:05:39] Voice 12: i move it

[1:05:40] Voice 11: you have to second it

[1:05:41] Voice 11: i will second the motion any discussion about that's fine okay all in

[1:05:47] Voice 11: favor yeah i don't care

[1:05:48] Voice 11: that way hopefully you'll get actually something back as an email that you can share with us yeah

[1:05:53] Voice 11: but i agree i mean he did say that and then we kind of let it go and it wouldn't have mattered

[1:05:58] Voice 11: so much if he hadn't said it, or if there was clarification on the meeting as to what happened with that. The fact that it was all verbal, no paper trail.

[1:06:10] Voice 11: Thanks for that.

[1:06:30] Voice 11: Excellent. I wanted to get your

[1:06:34] Voice 11: thoughts on the next minor project because we just sort of wrapped up the third minor project.

[1:06:38] Voice 11: That's just moving LTC in the quietest little area.

[1:06:45] Voice 11: Do you have any thoughts on the future project list?

[1:06:49] Voice 11: Do you want to amend that or bring something forward as something you'd like to share?

[1:06:55] Voice 11: For sure, education.

[1:06:57] Voice 11: Oh, that's huge.

[1:06:58] Voice 11: Totally huge.

[1:06:59] Voice 11: I know we didn't have an application in the next meeting.

[1:07:04] Voice 11: But see, also we need to clarify.

[1:07:07] Trustee Maude: were we not hoping that regional planning committee was going to do something with the

[1:07:13] Trustee Maude: trust as a whole on that topic we

[1:07:14] Voice 11: would love that i mean i'm speaking as somebody who keeps

[1:07:18] Voice 11: going can you please add dry land protection and authorities and education for the next project but

[1:07:27] Voice 11: the reality is we've got three projects on the go bylaw enforcement's a pretty considerable one

[1:07:33] Voice 11: we're not can't let go of the housing one yet so

[1:07:37] Voice 12: realistically

[1:07:41] Voice 11: i don't think there'll be

[1:07:43] Voice 11: a trust-wide project but it's got to get pushed somewhere well and maybe we can at least start

[1:07:52] Voice 11: the basis of it

[1:07:53] Voice 11: so especially to focus on the education part because we've had that problem

[1:07:58] Voice 11: at Horton Bay with the uh the fellow who's had many variances and needs more and now we have

[1:08:04] Voice 11: this other variance for and people if there are things on the foreshore that have been there for

[1:08:08] Voice 11: many many years that no one has any and not bad

[1:08:11] Voice 11: on Maine it's we were some fetus we have fetus

[1:08:15] Voice 11: your structures on Maine are just like oh my god we don't have that many do people not understand

[1:08:21] Voice 11: the climate change

[1:08:21] Voice 3: is going to

[1:08:22] Voice 11: cost you but most of these structures are worth your 30 40 years

[1:08:27] Voice 11: oh well that's what

[1:08:28] Voice 11: that's yeah well that's anyway thank you it's almost like these should be

[1:08:34] Voice 11: warnings for what you know education is a big thing for education so do you want to

[1:08:43] Voice 11: amend your future projects list to move up for short education and what would it be

[1:08:53] Voice 11: water authority from the water regulation or well certainly it shouldn't include this issue

[1:08:58] Voice 11: about like the zoning where horton bay is not even sold for marine voice so kind of reviewing

[1:09:04] Voice 11: and we have some bays that are not supposed to have one voice probably do yeah so he has

[1:09:09] Voice 11: clarification clarification zoning of water updating zoning for yeah water zones updating

[1:09:22] Voice 4: dating water. So

[1:09:22] Voice 11: that would be a good day for sure. You

[1:09:25] Voice 11: know,

[1:09:27] Voice 4: the

[1:09:28] Voice 11: end the dogs dogs attached to marine boys. Yeah. So it's

[1:09:32] Voice 11: really be a fulsome. And then that way I'll respond to what

[1:09:36] Voice 11: they can pass a motion to Carl Bumman's. Yes, yes.

[1:09:41] Voice 11: So we're going to amend the future projects list for sure

[1:09:47] Voice 11: education in marine zoning. Yes. Up to number one, and that is the potential next minor project.

[1:09:56] Voice 11: I move that we move foreshore education to our number one future projects, minor projects,

[1:10:08] Voice 11: and that it would be to provide education on foreshore uses, climate change, and adaption,

[1:10:14] Voice 11: updating of our water zones clarifying issues around permitted uses on foreshore or within

[1:10:21] Voice 11: marine zones did you get all that

[1:10:25] Voice 11: marine zoning that

[1:10:28] Voice 6: is negative i did not get all of that no

[1:10:30] Voice 11: i'm sorry just amend foreshore

[1:10:32] Voice 11: education to read foreshore education and marine and marine zoning and then we move that up to

[1:10:39] Voice 11: number one two projects uh list and consideration of the next one okay

[1:10:47] Trustee Maude: you know because these are

[1:10:49] Trustee Maude: really complicated because you look at the postcard fellow we had trust council last week

[1:10:53] Voice 3: he

[1:10:53] Trustee Maude: said you cannot

[1:10:55] Trustee Maude: you cannot deny somebody boring a dock in the middle of a bay

[1:11:01] Trustee Maude: he's saying unless it's a it's

[1:11:03] Voice 11: what you can if you zone it badly we can deny a morning boy period

[1:11:07] Trustee Maude: Yes, we can.

[1:11:08] Trustee Maude: Well, that's what his presentation was.

[1:11:10] Voice 11: I think

[1:11:11] Trustee Maude: Bill can.

[1:11:12] Trustee Maude: We have a legal opinion.

[1:11:14] Voice 11: We did skip past correspondence.

[1:11:18] Voice 11: So we actually skipped past correspondence.

[1:11:21] Voice 11: We

[1:11:22] Voice 3: didn't get that letter

[1:11:23] Voice 11: on the agenda.

[1:11:24] Voice 11: When we just

[1:11:24] Voice 11: got it from SBA.

[1:11:25] Voice 11: So can we do it now?

[1:11:27] Voice 11: Well, let's

[1:11:28] Voice 11: pass this motion.

[1:11:29] Voice 11: We did receive a piece of correspondence just to support the legal opinion.

[1:11:33] Voice 11: But let's finish this motion.

[1:11:37] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:11:37] Voice 11: We didn't know. Okay.

[1:11:40] Voice 11: I moved it.

[1:11:42] Voice 11: Trustee Dodd's move that I think we've got it. Marine education, no, foreshore education and marine zoning moved to number one in the future project list. Seconded by Trustee Lodd. All those in favor. Lodd-Scarry. Excellent.

[1:11:59] Voice 11: Now Correspondent, Correspondent Carl Bunnen sent us an email, but probably not in time and I forgot to add it to the agenda.

[1:12:08] Voice 11: that he all saw it. I think it was a misunderstanding of a long

[1:12:13] Voice 11: conversation like that. But if you can pass a motion, I'm happy

[1:12:17] Voice 11: to respond to, to tell him that we've now put it on our minor

[1:12:22] Voice 11: projects list. Okay. They will be obviously look forward to

[1:12:29] Voice 11: participating as we work our way through that.

[1:12:31] Voice 11: So Trustee Dodds will respond.

[1:12:33] Voice 11: on. I'm ready to be half the trust me. Okay, I

[1:12:39] Voice 12: will I will

[1:12:43] Voice 11: respond to him. We

[1:12:44] Voice 4: still have the

[1:12:45] Voice 11: other two letters to respond

[1:12:47] Voice 11: to the email from fun and representing the Association of

[1:12:51] Voice 11: the Island voters book concerns on the main island trust

[1:12:56] Voice 11: position. Yes. And it's going

[1:13:00] Voice 11: to be a future project so that you

[1:13:02] Voice 11: want to engage on it that's great thank you you're really getting me to write a letter

[1:13:13] Voice 3: i

[1:13:13] Voice 11: have this i will get them just my first two letters were sort of

[1:13:18] Voice 11: well i'm sure just like i'm trying to be moving but staff will help you right here

[1:13:23] Voice 11: yeah okay we're all done and so now moving into does anyone need a break we're almost

[1:13:30] Voice 11: through I saw a warm hot ball in the wings there so

[1:13:34] Voice 6: sure Elliot yeah is that a motion uh that

[1:13:37] Voice 6: trustee dodge will respond to an email no

[1:13:41] Voice 11: we're just doing that by general consent okay

[1:13:43] Voice 6: and and

[1:13:44] Voice 6: what was the name of the person that the email is going to carl

[1:13:48] Voice 11: bunnin b-u-n-n-i-n thank you

[1:13:52] Voice 6: main

[1:13:52] Voice 11: island owners association thanks for that let's take a break and i can get some

[1:14:01] Voice 11: cookies or we can keep going applications report we have verbal updates yeah we're

[1:14:07] Voice 12: sort of between we're transitioning from the interacting system with the city view and so

[1:14:12] Voice 12: we don't have it already set up yet in a nice format um what have you got coming you've got

[1:14:20] Voice 12: The variance for the seawall. Yes. Gallagher Bay, I think it is.

[1:14:25] Voice 12: A studio and a setback variance.

[1:14:32] Voice 12: And we're still waiting for the Georgina Point Road variance.

[1:14:37] Voice 12: We have the application sitting in advance while plans are finalized to the satisfaction.

[1:14:45] Voice 11: Right. Heard a little bit about that go around back and forth, go around back and forth.

[1:15:09] Voice 11: I don't like going first, like to hear trustees reports, but I will go if you want.

[1:15:16] Voice 11: So for the Chair's report,

[1:15:19] Voice 11: just coming out of the quarterly Trust Council last week on Salt Spring Island, where we celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Islands Trust.

[1:15:32] Voice 11: There was hate. There were protests. There was lots and lots of calls to get back to the mandate and ensure environmental protection.

[1:15:44] Voice 3: um

[1:15:45] Voice 11: is the primary focus there was also calls to deal with um insecure and illegal and

[1:15:57] Voice 11: totally unsafe forms of housing both in uh in the harbors around salt spring and i actually

[1:16:04] Voice 11: got a chance to tour some of the really unfortunate trailers several trailer parks

[1:16:12] Voice 11: And I can't speak for, it wasn't an official tour, it was a resident who actually, a gentleman

[1:16:20] Voice 11: who reached out, couldn't come because it was during working hours, and they just shared

[1:16:24] Voice 11: some incredible stories, the Salt Spring, heart-wrenching stories of tradespeople, service

[1:16:30] Voice 11: workers, families, and the elderly who have no other options, and people are almost acting

[1:16:36] Voice 11: like frontline workers in these unregulated trailer farms, and it's long-term housing,

[1:16:42] Voice 11: housing, and there's such a long list to get in. So Saltbrink really is in a divided situation

[1:16:51] Voice 11: which I can't wait. I have heard that the one grocery store where the owner provides

[1:17:04] Voice 11: housing with trailers, the workers are generally happier than the other grocery store where

[1:17:11] Voice 11: there is no people seen, but it also creates a sort of feudal landlord system where you've

[1:17:16] Voice 11: not your your your boss essentially providing an unregulated housing so it's deeply troubling

[1:17:24] Voice 11: so we did have a strategic planning session it was almost a full day on the wednesday and this

[1:17:30] Voice 11: was the follow-up to march it's the plane of properties and uh so hopefully this will come

[1:17:36] Voice 11: into a strategic place for the next five years the election site is ideal um the support for

[1:17:49] Voice 11: the corporate plan remains strong fresh water sustainability strategy implementation adding

[1:17:57] Voice 11: to that there was pretty strong support for the request to the province to review the governance

[1:18:04] Voice 11: structure and legislation supporting the honest trust galvanized by uh if anyone watching this

[1:18:22] Voice 11: wants to go back to that it was 5 45 it's about 30 minutes and it was really one of the most

[1:18:29] Voice 11: articulate kind of just laid the whole framework for for how the armistrust is struggling to deal

[1:18:39] Voice 11: with these contemporary issues and what we need to do to ensure that we have the tools to enact

[1:18:54] Voice 11: act the mandate to to do what we're asked to do by the province so i think there's going to be a

[1:19:00] Voice 11: lot of action around discussions i think it was a very good meeting it was you know fraught as it

[1:19:06] Voice 11: always is you know what i i came away from that thinking there's such a diversity of views on our

[1:19:13] Voice 11: council table really think about it there's such a representation from every people group in the

[1:19:20] Voice 11: islands and i don't know if i've ever really seen that before when i'm trusting for a long time

[1:19:26] Voice 11: so there's real tension but if we can all come together and pull pull those different views

[1:19:33] Voice 11: together and actually go and say this is what we need province and it would be so strong because

[1:19:40] Voice 11: it really is a representation of the diversity of the islands right so i'm i was actually very

[1:19:46] Voice 11: pleased with the trust council so there's other things but don't need to add one so trust council

[1:19:58] Voice 11: didn't add the fallow deer to its strategic plan i don't i don't hold a lot of hope that that

[1:20:05] Voice 11: letters will will do it but it does give recognition so that if there ever was an attempt

[1:20:10] Voice 11: to attain some kind of long-term funding it's a higher level of interest and involvement going

[1:20:16] Voice 11: Going back more than 22 years ago, when the issue first came out to Trust Council,

[1:20:22] Voice 11: Rich Tamboline was our CRD director, and I still have that letter.

[1:20:25] Voice 11: Anyway, so that's a sort of bonus for the fellow.

[1:20:28] Voice 11: It was not brought up by me.

[1:20:30] Voice 11: I think it was Ben from the neighborhood in Galliano.

[1:20:34] Voice 11: The fact is that fellow deer are moving around the other islands.

[1:20:38] Voice 11: What I took away from our meeting is, yes, we have a diverse,

[1:20:42] Voice 11: we always have a diverse group of 26 trustees,

[1:20:45] Voice 11: he's always going in a dozen different directions and so having had that fabulous presentation by

[1:20:51] Voice 11: adam olson to have the island trust council go to the province to say we're floundering because we

[1:20:58] Voice 11: don't really we can't get focus and it's partly the election cycle it's partly everyone has a

[1:21:04] Voice 11: different idea of what we're supposed to be doing so hopefully we also um said goodbye farewell to

[1:21:09] Voice 11: our cao officer russ pottson peller and welcomed our interim cao officer julian mobs um i think

[1:21:18] Voice 11: it's been a very challenging time for our for russ i don't think he realizes of all the terms or all

[1:21:26] Voice 11: the years that he's been there they've probably been the hardest um a lot of it is because our

[1:21:30] Voice 11: world has changed at each minute we're not where we were 20 years ago um i'm hoping that our uca

[1:21:36] Voice 11: a cao whoever that might be is is prepared but i really think that adam wilson gave us an excellent

[1:21:43] Voice 11: presentation it was completely understandable lots of passion in it um i'm hoping that something

[1:21:50] Voice 11: will come out of the government the new government which we will see in the fall um so it was a

[1:21:55] Voice 11: interesting trust council i miss i miss the uh the

[1:21:59] Voice 4: protests i drove in they don't even know who i

[1:22:01] Voice 4: under care but it kind of chuckled because we haven't really had a good contest for quite a while

[1:22:08] Voice 3: yeah it's

[1:22:09] Voice 11: been the good old days well again on salt spring it was the gumboots and the uh the

[1:22:13] Voice 11: fish fishery at walker hook yeah they uh oh so so i mean it's good

[1:22:18] Voice 3: signs and sun

[1:22:20] Voice 11: too yeah

[1:22:21] Voice 3: a lot

[1:22:22] Voice 11: of passion so there again i'm not quite sure how trust council put out the message that

[1:22:26] Voice 11: only people matter, not the environment. When we did the housing, the rezoning for the housing

[1:22:32] Voice 11: society on Maine, most of the detail and conversation were about reducing, reducing,

[1:22:37] Voice 11: reducing all of the impacts on the neighbors and on the environment that they

[1:22:42] Voice 11: are in. We made that

[1:22:43] Voice 11: such a tight, tight project in order to uphold the preserve and protect. So I think that people

[1:22:49] Voice 11: are key. That's why you do land use planning. We don't do it because trees want to grow. They don't

[1:22:54] Voice 11: need us to tell them to grow. Okay, that's it. That was

[1:22:58] Voice 11: great. Thank you.

[1:23:02] Voice 11: That means

[1:23:03] Voice 11: eight years.

[1:23:05] Voice 11: It's hard. He did the

[1:23:08] Voice 11: incorporation. That's great.

[1:23:10] Voice 11: That's good. It came. Well, that was his first job.

[1:23:16] Voice 11: Just about

[1:23:17] Trustee Maude: just house. So there were lots of protesters. But I will note

[1:23:24] Trustee Maude: that they were very polite yeah and

[1:23:26] Trustee Maude: it would say you know as opposed to a previous trust counselor

[1:23:30] Trustee Maude: i got sworn at um i thought it was pretty good it's you know is is that we allowed the opportunity

[1:23:36] Trustee Maude: for people to come in speak their their peace and it it really went well into that context of meeting

[1:23:43] Trustee Maude: uh the rest of the strategic planning session that was over quite a time

[1:23:47] Trustee Maude: as uh it's uh we accomplished a lot there we didn't quite get it over the goal post which

[1:23:53] Trustee Maude: was the goal but we tried um but uh but to me the highlight was presentation um by transfer canada

[1:24:01] Trustee Maude: about um docs they're like folks and boring boys and all that um it was interesting to me because

[1:24:08] Trustee Maude: this the spin um that they had was different than what our legal opinion has been so really well

[1:24:16] Trustee Maude: Well, because things like docks are not allowed in the debates, and the officer there said we cannot deny a permit if somebody applies for a permit.

[1:24:28] Trustee Maude: This is not an impeding navigation. We cannot stop them. We cannot stop people from applying and getting a boarding void if it's applied as per the Act.

[1:24:37] Trustee Maude: They were saying on their level, on the federal government level, but there's this whole multi-jurisdictional

[1:24:46] Trustee Maude: issue and whether or not we can circumnavigate federal government, senior government type

[1:24:53] Trustee Maude: of issues.

[1:24:53] Voice 11: Have we released a legal opinion on new authorities?

[1:25:00] Voice 11: So we did

[1:25:01] Voice 3: receive one, but

[1:25:04] Voice 11: I don't, it is very confusing.

[1:25:10] Voice 3: I

[1:25:11] Voice 11: believe they defer to the local government zone, and so that's, it is our responsibility

[1:25:18] Voice 11: to either set limits.

[1:25:19] Trustee Maude: Yeah, but what he was saying is that we can't, is that from their end they cannot

[1:25:23] Trustee Maude: deny a permit.

[1:25:24] Trustee Maude: If somebody applies properly, and as long as it's not impeding navigation, there's no

[1:25:29] Trustee Maude: way they can deny a permit.

[1:25:32] Trustee Maude: so they so it was just it was really because for something that was supposed to add clarity

[1:25:37] Trustee Maude: it really muddied the water that's

[1:25:39] Voice 11: why they're supposed to write to elizabeth

[1:25:40] Voice 11: so that

[1:25:42] Trustee Maude: was trust council um this past weekend of course we had the camel bay music festival

[1:25:46] Trustee Maude: which was a great success from all accounts that i've received uh part of that the beginning of it

[1:25:52] Trustee Maude: was friday uh chas elliott unveiled the second house poll outside here

[1:25:56] Voice 3: which

[1:25:57] Trustee Maude: was just a wonderful

[1:25:59] Trustee Maude: thing. Unfortunately, Trustee Dodds and myself were preoccupied. It was four o'clock in the afternoon, so we were both in town. But it was very, it was well attended. They had some traditional dancers and ceremony. It was, it was a great kickoff to the event.

[1:26:16] Trustee Maude: event. The Vlada Foundation in Campo Verde is a festival about indigenous peoples. They're

[1:26:25] Trustee Maude: involved in all aspects of the event, and they just impress the heck out of it. That's

[1:26:32] Trustee Maude: really what I can

[1:26:33] Voice 11: say about that. But otherwise,

[1:26:37] Trustee Maude: it's just been a really busy month. Lots going

[1:26:40] Trustee Maude: going on and you know summer has finally arrived and we look forward to happiness

[1:26:51] Trustee Maude: we've had a few overloads not much but the ferries are late this morning the ferry was

[1:26:58] Trustee Maude: pretty close to full

[1:26:59] Voice 11: and the continent still has ramps

[1:27:00] Trustee Maude: oh and so ramps still work

[1:27:03] Trustee Maude: there's a story that worked so yeah uh but uh you know it's it's various i am concerned over

[1:27:09] Trustee Maude: the summer that we are going to be experiencing a rose because i've known of three so far

[1:27:15] Trustee Maude: but it's like sort of like a friday type of thing but um if looking forward uh like this

[1:27:22] Trustee Maude: morning monday morning there was room for maybe three more cards so no yesterday

[1:27:29] Voice 11: at the end of

[1:27:30] Voice 11: the music festival you know I came off the ferry the parking ferry parking was jammed

[1:27:37] Trustee Maude: did you hear

[1:27:38] Trustee Maude: no but

[1:27:40] Voice 11: yeah

[1:27:41] Trustee Maude: it's it was pretty

[1:27:42] Voice 11: scary yeah

[1:27:44] Trustee Maude: so but no it's it it will it probably is going to be an

[1:27:48] Trustee Maude: interesting ferry summer you know that's what beats the economy of the earth so let's as long

[1:27:56] Trustee Maude: as I get on, I'll complete. Okay,

[1:27:59] Voice 11: so that was free for local

[1:28:05] Voice 11: courts. I know the electoral area director is very busy. So

[1:28:09] Voice 11: when we don't receive a report that sometimes he dashes in and

[1:28:12] Voice 11: tells us all the things you're doing.

[1:28:15] Voice 11: And we haven't found this just in terms of your report date of

[1:28:18] Voice 11: May. Or just to note that the welcome check to meet the

[1:28:26] Voice 11: person replacing the manager for the 18 months that she will be away carolyn

[1:28:34] Voice 11: stuart stuart thank you come back

[1:28:47] Voice 3: she

[1:28:48] Voice 11: seemed very excited to be back it was really cool to spend a bit of time with her so i'm

[1:28:54] Voice 11: excited to be working with her and the Conservancy. And so now

[1:28:59] Voice 11: we turn to new business. Trustee Maud, you wanted discussion on

[1:29:04] Voice 11: Denman Island bylaw number 61?

[1:29:07] Trustee Maude: That's the Denman Island bylaw number 61 with the Denman Island

[1:29:10] Trustee Maude: concept. What it is, is a notice of inspection for bylaw

[1:29:14] Trustee Maude: enforcement. On

[1:29:16] Trustee Maude: Denman Island, 24 to 48 hours written notice is

[1:29:23] Trustee Maude: required um so can we can we call this in camera and discuss it in cameras but we didn't want to

[1:29:30] Trustee Maude: invite him into this discussion so

[1:29:32] Voice 11: yes um i would say though because i don't know if i reported out

[1:29:38] Voice 11: on this from rpc and it wasn't really adequately covered at trust council but um manager warren

[1:29:48] Voice 11: Endingment is working on a template by law. What are we

[1:29:56] Voice 11: calling it?

[1:29:57] Voice 12: Local Trust Committee policy.

[1:30:00] Voice 12: template where you

[1:30:00] Voice 12: bring all of your

[1:30:01] Voice 12: standing resolutions into one document, you would address

[1:30:05] Voice 12: things like do you want, you know, 24 hours, what kind of notice do you want, all by policy.

[1:30:13] Voice 12: So right now, the land use bylaw says reasonable time, let's get reasonable time, and then

[1:30:22] Voice 12: you could refine that potentially through your policy. What is reasonable time? It could

[1:30:34] Voice 11: I don't think this is an in-camera thing, and Warren Dingman is here online.

[1:30:38] Voice 3: We could

[1:30:39] Voice 11: discuss it right now.

[1:30:41] Voice 11: I think it's a great conversation.

[1:30:43] Voice 11: So do you want to bring us up to date on where Maine might fit into the development of that policy?

[1:30:51] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So we can.

[1:30:52] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So what Denman has already done, they've already adopted a set of policies to deal with specific issues

[1:30:58] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: regarding when to notify property owners of inspections things like vexatious

[1:31:05] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: complaints giving more discretion to bylaw officers to close files that would

[1:31:11] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: you know comply with standing resolutions on things like unlawful

[1:31:16] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: dwellings when you don't want to enforcement so Denman Island actually

[1:31:20] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: adopted the policy right away that was presented to them it's been presented to

[1:31:26] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Salt Spring they didn't adopt it and so it's going to have to be edited and go back to them

[1:31:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: it'll go to Gabriola this week and sometime in the upcoming months Maine Island will get

[1:31:38] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: its opportunity to review a set of the bylaw compliance and enforcement policies to go over

[1:31:44] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: these specific issues there is a template that's already been created and then for

[1:31:50] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the differences between each island will be one your standing resolutions on what you want with

[1:31:56] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: enforcement and when this document comes for consideration for the local trust

[1:32:01] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: committee you can edit it and amend it as necessary to get the specific um

[1:32:06] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: issues that you want addressed excellent perfect

[1:32:10] Trustee Maude: so we're just two steps ahead

[1:32:12] Trustee Maude: yeah so we'll just wait for the this to come forward perfect thank you

[1:32:17] Trustee Maude: i

[1:32:17] Voice 11: think we're waiting we're waiting through the trickier ones probably first and uh by the time

[1:32:23] Voice 11: it gets to me you have a good idea

[1:32:26] Voice 11: of what's working and not so it's excellent yeah that

[1:32:28] Voice 11: was added to thank you for that one more and i think it's been badly needed and we all seem to

[1:32:34] Voice 11: have different approaches or different needs so um hopefully that will resolve this issue

[1:32:43] Voice 11: so 13.2 um we wanted to talk about water tank yes so i would like to move that we request

[1:32:51] Voice 11: staff to access engineers reports regarding the major the large number of

[1:33:01] Voice 11: water tanks located at I'll get you the address but it's like 319 Georgina

[1:33:06] Voice 11: Point Road that we actually see the report had a word that but we're

[1:33:14] Voice 11: referring to the houses down in the waters a lot above and apparently there

[1:33:18] Voice 11: is an engineers has looked at it given some kind of report or information and

[1:33:24] Voice 3: to the

[1:33:25] Voice 11: owner but not i

[1:33:26] Voice 11: don't or if it might be available from the crd perhaps okay we can ask

[1:33:31] Voice 11: for it okay

[1:33:32] Voice 12: okay we could ask

[1:33:33] Voice 11: for um some actual verification maybe that's a better notion that we

[1:33:38] Voice 11: request the staff look for verification that the uh large number of water tanks have actually been

[1:33:45] Voice 11: engineered and installed correctly as they're sitting up on the bank so yeah this is three

[1:33:51] Voice 11: 340 that's great okay so does that need to be in a resolution okay so i moved i moved the resolution

[1:34:01] Voice 11: that i asked staff request request staff to uh to get information clarification around the water

[1:34:08] Voice 11: tanks at 340 georgia point road great no seconded by trusty logs any pretty especially all those in

[1:34:15] Voice 11: favor yeah that was carried check excellent what time is it i told you it is oh i told

[1:34:23] Voice 11: to come at three so that's his problem i said don't wait camera we could take a five minute

[1:34:31] Voice 11: break i somebody wanted to come and talk to the press lady about i don't know i did say three

[1:34:37] Voice 11: yeah so um i just wanted a discussion on our september meeting before we go right

[1:34:45] Voice 11: so david you mentioned there's some challenge with the september

[1:34:51] Voice 11: trust council meeting dates or days yeah

[1:34:56] Trustee Maude: it just it makes structurally for a really bad monday

[1:35:00] Voice 11: um

[1:35:01] Trustee Maude: but this the subsequent monday is not available um because

[1:35:05] Voice 11: that's first news

[1:35:06] Voice 11: wait but you guys are just on

[1:35:10] Voice 11: on May. Yeah, but it's hard. It is our full days in a row. It's

[1:35:18] Voice 11: two of me. But

[1:35:20] Voice 12: that's just gonna September is always always a

[1:35:24] Voice 12: challenging one. Oh, yeah. And most trustee committees are

[1:35:33] Voice 12: reading in September because they don't.

[1:35:34] Trustee Maude: So the previous week for five days of UBCM. Yeah.

[1:35:39] Trustee Maude: Then Monday,

[1:35:39] Trustee Maude: we've got our meeting then we've got trust council the and so the next monday would have been our

[1:35:45] Trustee Maude: traditional day right but we've moved back maybe could we look forward to the first week of october

[1:35:53] Voice 11: as long as it's a monday or wednesday and even if you do a zoom meeting i think that's easier

[1:35:58] Voice 11: for everyone what's on wednesday the second oh and say the second time

[1:36:02] Voice 3: is free

[1:36:03] Voice 11: for me

[1:36:07] Voice 11: Yeah, I'm home Wednesday, so as long as it's Monday or Wednesday.

[1:36:11] Voice 11: So we'll ask staff to explore options to change the meeting schedule for September 23rd and

[1:36:21] Voice 11: explore September 2nd or 7th.

[1:36:27] Voice 11: Yeah, what's the 7th?

[1:36:30] Voice 11: 7th is Southern Booklands Forum.

[1:36:32] Voice 11: It's a no-day.

[1:36:33] Voice 11: No.

[1:36:33] Voice 11: Oh, okay.

[1:36:35] Voice 11: Okay, so I'm just suggesting.

[1:36:38] Trustee Maude: So that's

[1:36:39] Trustee Maude: seven. Okay,

[1:36:43] Trustee Maude: lots of time. So that's

[1:36:45] Voice 11: good to get it started.

[1:36:45] Voice 11: Now. That's perfect.

[1:36:48] Voice 11: So request up. Yeah, so that'll be Lisa, the

[1:36:51] Voice 11: medium is a facilitator, explore options for the second one

[1:36:54] Voice 11: the 7th of October in lieu of the 23rd of September. Seconder? I'll second. Seconded by Trustee Dobbs. All in favor? Aye. Perfect. And great. So our next regular meeting is scheduled for July 29th, 2024 is the annual call here. Do you want that to be in person or electronic?

[1:37:17] Voice 11: time we had only been happy application from two

[1:37:22] Voice 12: applications and

[1:37:24] Voice 11: then there are deals

[1:37:24] Voice 12: um project

[1:37:26] Voice 12: the housing project including um i know it seems early but you're gonna have to look at business

[1:37:32] Voice 12: case for next fiscal year yeah already um but

[1:37:38] Voice 11: you know with the audience we've been getting

[1:37:40] Voice 11: I'm I yeah and the ferry situation in July yeah I think I think soon works

[1:37:48] Voice 11: really well different if you had like today in person was better for the

[1:37:52] Voice 11: people that came but I can't see we also have that's actually the Southern

[1:37:58] Voice 11: of all islands not morning i mean i don't mind i could do that for the morning well i'm here but

[1:38:08] Voice 11: i'm just in terms of staff and in terms of travel and trying yeah russian yes well it'd be good if

[1:38:16] Voice 11: we could make a decision now so that we i think you should go to zoom for july do you want to go

[1:38:20] Voice 11: to zoom for july are you okay with that david yeah

[1:38:23] Trustee Maude: it's like unless

[1:38:25] Voice 11: there's something some

[1:38:25] Voice 11: flexibility unless at this point

[1:38:28] Voice 11: we don't have to go all right

[1:38:29] Voice 11: i mean for so i move that the next

[1:38:31] Voice 11: regular meeting which is scheduled for july 29 2024 the amend or a change to the electronic

[1:38:40] Voice 11: section seconded by trustee donald it's always a favor carry because even the seawall application

[1:38:46] Voice 11: has tons of support for neighbors so okay so we'll take a five-minute break um see if anybody

[1:38:54] Voice 11: anybody is coming for the

[1:38:55] Voice 11: town hall and then go into closed.

[1:38:58] Voice 3: So Sarah, what's the picture if we have? Nobody in the picture, both of you.

[1:39:10] Voice 3: Okay, so,

[1:39:12] Voice 11: Dusty Elliott's legs, there we are.

[1:39:18] Voice 11: Okay, so T.P. Herner is in and out. Hi, Warren.

[1:39:24] Voice 11: So we haven't quite gone into closed yet, we'll just...

[1:39:28] Trustee Maude: I can read it in, we can get that part done.

[1:39:30] Voice 11: Yeah, let's get that part done.

[1:39:32] Trustee Maude: okay so i will move uh let the meeting be closed to the public accordance with the community

[1:39:38] Trustee Maude: charter part four division three section 91 f g for the purpose of considering law enforcement

[1:39:45] Trustee Maude: if the council considers the disclosure could reasonably expect to harm the conduct of

[1:39:49] Trustee Maude: investigation under our enforcement of an enactment g litigation or potential litigation

[1:39:57] Trustee Maude: of Benton Municipality and the recorder and staff at the meeting.

[1:40:01] Voice 11: I'll second. All those in favor? Then that is carried.

[1:40:05] Voice 11: So, reporter Millard, would you turn off the recording

[1:40:09] Voice 11: and stop my streaming please?

Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Regular Business Meeting 
June 24, 2024 ADOPTED Page 1 of 9 
 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
June 24, 2024 
Mayne Island Agricultural Hall 
430 Fernhill Road, Mayne Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 David Maude, Local Trustee 
 Jeanine Dodds, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Robert Kojima, Regional Planning Manager 
 Warren Dingman, Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager 
 Lisa Millard, Recorder (electronic) 
  
Others Present: There were four (4) members of the public present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Elliott called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m. Chair Elliott acknowledged that the meeting 
was being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
 New Business 14.2 Georgina Point Road water tank concerns  
By general consent, the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
A member of the public spoke about Bylaw No. 193 and made the following points: 
 They own a property near the Church of St. Mary of Magdalene 
 Disagreed that changes in Proposed Bylaw 193 Items 2.27 to 2.31 are minor 
 The changes would create a significant increase in density 
 A multiple dwelling project cannot be supported by water from existing wells or from rain 
water catchment 
 Urban style apartments are not suitable to the area and the Official Community Plan does 
not support stacked townhouses on this site 
 Three property owners have made submissions opposing this development 
 The rezoning bylaws will affect the health, safety, and welfare of the entire community 
 Zoning a residential neighbourhood for sixteen additional dwelling units will collapse the 
water system 
 It is not appropriate for this to go forward without public input or a public hearing 
A member of the public opposes Bylaw No.193 and stated the following: 
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 Georgina Point Road traffic can be congested and dangerous 
 It is important to look at safe housing locations for young families and seniors 
 The rezoning does not comply with the Official Community Plan 
 The area lacks adequate water and is unsuited for the density proposed 
 Two years ago a report was done that stated Islands Trust did not have a clear 
understanding of how the current population could be maintained 
 The absence of a vision for the entire area must be addressed 
 The proposal for seniors housing was done twenty years ago and sustainability studies were 
not done at that time 
 There has been no transparency or accountability for Islands Trust regarding this bylaw 
 No one in the neighbourhood was consulted prior to this decision being made 
 The Local Trust Committee must stop proposing large urban development that are in 
opposition to the Official Community Plan 
 Many neighbours want deferral of the reading of the bylaw until investigation and 
considerable contemplation of the long term effects has been undertaken 
 
A member of the public noted that submissions are difficult to find on the website and 
requested that any related correspondence be posted on the meeting page. 
o Chair Elliott stated that correspondence and submissions can be located on the 
Mayne Island Local Trust Committee website 
 
A member of the public asked at what stage in the process is the bylaw at? 
o Chair Elliott replied that the Local Trust Committee has made amendments to the 
bylaw in previous meetings 
o It had been sent to the Advisory Planning Commission for comments 
o Referrals had been completed 
o It was also noted that this is part of an Local Trust Committee project and not a 
rezoning application 
4. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING - None 
5. PUBLIC HEARING - None 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated May 27, 2024 (for Adoption) 
The following amendments to the minutes were presented for consideration: 
 Strike the words Ultimate Spirit on Page 5 of the Minutes 
By general consent the Mayne Island Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of May 
27, 2024 were adopted as amended. 
6.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - None 
6.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - None 
  

 
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7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List Dated June 2024 
It was noted that two letters to the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure have 
not been completed yet. 
8. DELEGATIONS - None 
9. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
 It was noted that Trustee Dodds will respond to a recent email received Carl Bunnin. 
10. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
10.1 PLTUP20240004 (Orpen - BC Ferries) - Staff Report 
Regional Planning Manager Kojima summarized the Staff Report and highlighted the 
following: 
 It is a renewal of the Temporary Use Permit Issued last year for staff or contractor 
accommodation for the Capital Regional District trail project estimated to be 
completed in August 
 Requesting renewal recommending 1 year 
 
Discussion ensued and Trustees made the following comments: 
 Undertaken without a building permit, even though this was a requirement of the 
previous Temporary Use Permit 
 Contractor did not apply for a building permit, as did not believe it was needed 
because they are mobile units 
 Regional Planning Manager Kojima noted that a travel trailer was outside of scope 
of building code, but a factory built mobile on a foundation or blocks may require an 
inspection for the foundation blocking 
 Regional Planning Manager Kojima further suggested that the applicant contact the 
Capital Regional District 
 There had been an email from the Capital Regional District asking about the permit 
a year ago 
 BC Ferries Representative, Lee Orpen stated he had contacted the Capital Regional 
District Building Services Department and they said they did not have concerns with 
it at that point  
 The Building Permit matter is within the Capital Regional District jurisdiction, 
therefore no further action is required from the Local Trust Committee 
 
MA-2024-032 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of renewal 
Temporary Use Permit PLTUP20240004 (Orpen - BC Ferry Services Inc.) for a 
period of one (1) year. 
CARRIED 

 
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June 24, 2024 ADOPTED Page 4 of 9 
10.2 MA-SUB-2023.1 (Brown – MIHS - Staff Report) 
Regional Planning Manager Kojima summarized the Staff Report and highlighted the 
following: 
 The site was rezoned a couple years ago 
 The conditions of subdivision require a covenant with no development permitted 
until such time in the future when the lot meets conditions of the Land Use Bylaw 
regarding water  
 The covenant is authorized by the Land Use Bylaw 
 
Discussion ensued and Trustees made the following comments: 
 Puts onus on future land owner of lot two 
 The applicant in attendance provided the Local Trust Committee with a more 
current plan 
 Mayne Island Housing Society has come to end of the process, and once approved 
and registered, the final package goes back to the Ministry of Transportation 
 The Mayne Island Housing Society confirmed that the land owners have seen and 
approved the language of the covenant via email 
 The Local Trust Committee expect to receive confirmation the land owners have 
signed off on the draft covenant 
 
MA-2024-033 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee accept the Section 219 Covenant that 
is Attachment 1 to this report for MA-SUB-2023.1 (Brown). 
CARRIED 
MA-2024-034 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee designate the Chair of the Local Trust 
Committee to sign the Covenant. 
CARRIED 
11. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
11.1 Land Use Bylaw Project - Staff Report 
Regional Planning Manager Kojima summarized the Staff Report and highlighted the 
following: 
 Amendments were completed over a number of previous meetings 
 Notice of first reading was provided 
 Referrals have been sent 
 Feedback received from three neighbours 
 The Local Trust Committee can make further amendments at this stage 
 
Discussion ensued and Trustees made the following comments: 
 Trustee Maude flagged item 2.16 on page 33 for discussion 
 Landscape screening requirement of 1.5 metres in height seems low. 

 
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 Dodds noted that the size for fences is 6 feet (2 metres) and suggested that 
the requirement for screening should match that 
 
MA-2024-035 
It was Moved and Seconded 
that Land Use Bylaw No146, 2008 2.16 (b) be changed to 2.0 metres in height 
from 1.5 metres. 
CARRIED 
 
 Regarding neighbours concerns, the Local Trustee Committee clarified that the 
zoning will not be changing, as it is already zoned 
 Regional Planning Manager Kojima stated that the housing agreement was adopted 
by bylaw when property was rezoned 
 The agreement restricts occupancy by age, has been amended once, and it was 
adopted by a public hearing process previously 
 The housing agreement itself is not subject to a public hearing 
 Covenant on title has specific language attached which will have to be changed as it 
has specific plans attached 
 The density is not changing 
 Who can stay in the dwellings is regulated by the housing agreement, so changing 
the age of occupants would need to amend the housing agreement 
 Zoning change will allow use to be more flexible 
 If a proposal is forthcoming then a public hearing may be required 
 
MA-2024-036 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 193 cited as “Mayne Island 
Land Use Bylaw No. 146, 2008, Amendment No.1, 2023” as amended be read 
for the first time. 
CARRIED 
MA-2024-037 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 193 cited as “Mayne Island 
Land Use Bylaw No. 146, 2008, Amendment No.1, 2023” as amended be read 
for a second time. 
CARRIED 
MA-2024-038 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 193 cited as “Mayne Island 
Land Use Bylaw No. 146, 2008, Amendment No.1, 2023” as amended be read 
for a third time. 
CARRIED 
  

 
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MA-2024-039 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 193 cited as “Mayne Island 
Land Use Bylaw No. 146, 2008, Amendment No.1, 2023” as amended be 
forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive 
Committee. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Dodds stated that the concerns raised by neighbours are reasonable. Nothing 
can be built on this property that is outside of the housing agreement and covenant. To 
change any of that would require a public hearing. This change allows for more flexibility 
for potential housing. There is still a lot of work to be done before anyone builds on the 
site. 
12. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
12.1 PLTUP20240004 (Orpen - BC Ferries) 
The Local Trust Committee revisited the previously discussed application 
PLTUP20240004. Further discussion ensued about the requirement for a building 
permit. 
MA-2024-040 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that Trustee Maude write to the Capital Regional District to clarify the issue of 
building permit requirement for temporary trailers at the BC Ferries Property 
constructions site. 
CARRIED 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Work Program Reports 
13.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated June 2024 
   Received for information. 
13.1.2 Future Project List Report Dated June 2024 
   Thoughts on next future project:  
 Foreshore education 
 Updating water zones 
MA-2024-41 
It was Moved and Seconded 
that foreshore education and marine zoning be moved to item number one on 
the future projects list for consideration of future minor projects. 
CARRIED 
  

 
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13.2 Applications Report - Verbal Update 
Regional Planning Manager Kojima provided a verbal update on the status of current 
applications. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report - None 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
  Received for information. 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
  Received for information. 
13.6 Chair's Report 
Chair Elliott reported the following: 
 Attended the Trust Council meeting on Salt Spring Island 
 Toured unregulated trailer parks and various areas of unsafe housing on Salt Spring 
Island 
 Strategic planning session at Trust Council 
 Strong support for request to the province to review the government structure of 
Islands Trust 
13.7 Trustee Report 
Trustee Dodds reported the following: 
 The fallow deer issue was raised during Trust Council 
 Fantastic presentation by Adam Olsen about governance 
 Noted outgoing Chief Administrative Officer Russ Hotsenpiller and incoming interim 
CAO Julia Mobbs 
 
Trustee Maude reported the following: 
 Trust Council protesters had opportunity to speak 
 Highlight was the presentation by Transport Canada on derelict boats 
 Campbell Bay Music Festival was a success 
13.8 Electoral Area Director's Report - None 
13.9 Islands Trust Conservancy Report Dated May 2024 
  Received for information. 
14. NEW BUSINESS 
14.1 Denman Island Bylaw No. 61 – Discussion 
 Written notice is required forty-eight hours in advance of inspection by Bylaw 
Enforcement Officers 
 Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager, Dingman is working on a Local 
Trust Committee policy template that would bring all standing resolutions into 
one document 

 
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 Denman Island Local Trust Committee adopted policies to deal with specific 
issues around notification period, complaints, and giving discretion to Bylaw 
Officers to close files 
 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee did not adopt the policy right away and 
further edits are pending 
 A set of policies will come before Mayne Island Local Trust Committee in the 
coming months and they will have the opportunity amend and edit it for issues 
they want address. 
 
14.2  Georgina Point Road Water Tank Concerns 
 
The Local Trust Committee discussed the possibility that Islands Trust Staff could access 
engineer’s reports and look for verification that the large number of water tanks on 
Georgina Point Road have actually been engineered and installed correctly. 
 
MA-2024-042 
It was Moved and Seconded,  
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to get clarifications on 
the water tanks at 340 Georgina Point Road.  
CARRIED 
15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for July 29, 2024 at the Agricultural Hall, Mayne 
Island 
  Discussion ensued regarding the September meeting date. 
MA-2024-043 
It was Moved and Seconded 
that Mayne Island Local Trust Committee request staff to explore options to 
change the meeting scheduled for September 23, 2024 to either October 2, 
2024 or October 7, 2024. 
CARRIED 
 
Discussion ensued regarding July 29 meeting in person or electronic 
MA-2024-044 
It was Moved and Seconded 
that the next Mayne Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting scheduled on 
July 29, 2024 be changed from in-person to electronic. 
CARRIED 
The meeting was recessed at 3:10 p.m. for a break reconvened at 3:20 p.m. 
16. TOWN HALL  
  

 
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17. CLOSED MEETING (Distributed Under Separate Cover) 
17.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
MA-2024-045 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
That the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community 
Charter, Part 4, Division 3, s. 90(1)(f)(g) for the purpose of considering: 
(f) law enforcement, if the council considers that disclosure could 
reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under 
or enforcement of an enactment; 
(g) litigation or potential litigation affecting the municipality; 
AND that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
The meeting was recessed at 3:20 p.m. 
17.2 Recall to Order 
The meeting was recalled to order at 3:40 p.m. 
17.3 Rise and Report 
Chair Elliott rose and reported that the In-Camera Meeting minutes of May 27, 2024 
were adopted and the Local Trust Committee discussed bylaw compliance files with 
staff. 
18. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 3:41 p.m. 
 
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Tobi Elliott, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Lisa Millard, Recorder