Islands Trust Council regular meeting, January 31, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 9: Good morning everybody, I'd like to thank you all for joining us today for this regular

[0:00:07] Voice 9: meeting of the North Tender Local Trust Committee. I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging

[0:00:12] Voice 9: that we're fortunate to be able to gather together in locations across the Territory

[0:00:15] Voice 9: of the Coast Salish People. I'm David Maughan, elected on the Maine Island and chair of the

[0:00:19] Voice 9: North Tender Island Local Trust Committee. I'm joined today by your two North Tender

[0:00:24] Voice 9: your Island trustees, Aaron Campbell online, and Deb Horson in person.

[0:00:29] Voice 9: Together, we make up the Norris and Pender Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:33] Voice 9: This meeting is being live-screened and recorded for those who are unable to attend in person today.

[0:00:38] Voice 9: The recording will be posted on the Islands Trust website for future viewing.

[0:00:41] Voice 9: We have some staff members joining us today.

[0:00:43] Voice 9: We have Robert Kojima, who's the Regional Plant Manager for the Southern Office.

[0:00:48] Voice 9: We have Brad Smith, your Islands Planner.

[0:00:51] Voice 9: We have Warren Dingman who is the File Enforcement Manager, and of course we have Lisa Millard

[0:00:59] Voice 9: who is our Zoom master who takes care of all electronic ends of things, which we very much

[0:01:05] Voice 9: appreciate.

[0:01:07] Voice 9: I also see we have Justine Stark from CRD who's joined us online, and also Cody from

[0:01:15] Voice 9: from CRD who has joined us online

[0:01:17] Voice 9: for a presentation on the pathway coming up.

[0:01:23] Voice 9: So this meeting is official forum

[0:01:25] Voice 9: for you all to participate and make decisions

[0:01:26] Voice 9: about land use planning matters

[0:01:28] Voice 9: and discuss relevant business.

[0:01:30] Voice 9: I want to add to this place of employment.

[0:01:31] Voice 9: This might have some staffer in their own homes

[0:01:33] Voice 9: or staff right to save and respect the workplace.

[0:01:37] Voice 9: So of course we have an agenda.

[0:01:39] Voice 9: Any additions or?

[0:01:41] Voice 18: Yeah, if we can add 17.2 for the issue around that helicopter.

[0:01:48] Voice 9: 17.2 helicopters.

[0:01:53] Voice 3: Anything from your end?

[0:01:56] Voice 3: Um, 100. Sorry.

[0:02:01] Voice 3: Go ahead.

[0:02:02] Voice 3: I

[0:02:03] Voice 10: think Erin's happy.

[0:02:04] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:02:06] Voice 18: There was one other thing related to the application by Braden. There was a note from the Concerned Bonamist here. We already have it off the table.

[0:02:13] Voice 18: Perfect.

[0:02:14] Voice 9: Okay. All right. So by general consent, we will adopt the agenda as amended.

[0:02:21] Voice 9: That's good. All righty. So we start off with the trustees reports. Who wants to be first?

[0:02:29] Voice 3: Aaron, you're on.

[0:02:33] Voice 7: It's been a

[0:02:34] Voice 13: bit since our last meeting, we had a trust council and then a meeting right after that.

[0:02:42] Voice 13: uh i don't know have we had a meeting since trust council i don't think

[0:02:47] Voice 13: yeah so trust council was trust council lots of talk about big big things that um

[0:02:58] Voice 13: often don't feel like they they hit very close to home sometimes for pender specific um but it's

[0:03:05] Voice 13: always good to see folks and uh and hear what's going on on other islands and and challenges that

[0:03:11] Voice 13: they're experiencing that might be similar and then we've been working on this tiny house on

[0:03:18] Voice 13: wheels steering committee and uh and that's been sort of a weekly weekly meeting recently uh to to

[0:03:28] Voice 13: attend that we've been um going over terms of reference and gathering a group of professionals

[0:03:35] Voice 13: that will hopefully be able to speak into a document to take to the province

[0:03:45] Voice 13: in the hopes that we can get some traction on different building practices

[0:03:52] Voice 13: and ideas that might be beneficial to Pender.

[0:03:56] Voice 13: And it ties into a lot of the stuff that our APC has been doing.

[0:04:01] Voice 13: And I just wanted to say thank you to the members of the APC

[0:04:05] Voice 13: Because the reports that have been coming from them and the amount of work that they have been putting into providing us with information is super incredible to see folks in our community getting involved like that.

[0:04:21] Voice 13: and so I was just actually right before this one on a steering committee meeting that is

[0:04:32] Voice 13: aimed towards February 13th being sort of a meeting of the minds across British Columbia

[0:04:38] Voice 13: to try to put some stuff together so that's kind of an exciting thing that's going on right now

[0:04:45] Voice 13: that's it thank

[0:04:48] Voice 10: you trustee karen trustee morris perfect um

[0:04:51] Voice 18: so a couple things um we have been

[0:04:54] Voice 18: meeting in committee of the whole which um talk a little more about too um so committee of the whole

[0:05:03] Voice 18: is a relatively new practice last year or two years or so maybe um and it's being used

[0:05:10] Voice 18: trust policy statement to like have deeper conversations those meetings are public

[0:05:15] Voice 18: public and they're on the website. So please do attend and listen if you want and let us know

[0:05:20] Voice 18: what your thoughts are as that develops because what we're trying to avoid with this process is

[0:05:26] Voice 18: the situation where we get a trustee influence draft of the trust policy statement out and then

[0:05:33] Voice 18: everybody like gets up in arms about it. We're trying to come to like better agreement. I don't

[0:05:39] Voice 18: think compromise is the way I would frame it at all, but like consensus, some consensus around

[0:05:44] Voice 18: around that. So please do let us know as you listen to those

[0:05:48] Voice 18: conversations, and the packages have the sort of evolving draft

[0:05:52] Voice 18: in them.

[0:05:52] Voice 18: So it's worthwhile to have that. I would love to hear

[0:05:56] Voice 18: from folks about what they're thinking about that before we

[0:06:00] Voice 18: get to the point where we have a draft for the option. So and

[0:06:04] Voice 18: um and those sorry it wasn't supposed to be one last night

[0:06:09] Voice 18: yesterday it was during the work day um i have also attended for the trust of

[0:06:20] Voice 18: biosphere reserve um climate change realities and building resilient communities meeting

[0:06:25] Voice 18: there's a like community conversation up in uh welcome beach um this past month and

[0:06:32] Voice 3: And it's

[0:06:33] Voice 3: just a really interesting process, really important, and I would

[0:06:37] Voice 3: like to see that kind of stuff happen down here more, like

[0:06:40] Voice 18: community conversations with lots of really different folks to come together and to like, what do we care about, how are we going to do that, and different levels of government.

[0:06:48] Voice 18: So there was like province feds, island's trust there, a bunch of community organizations. It was really cool. Tourism association, different folks there. So very helpful process, so really excited about that.

[0:07:01] Voice 18: and then trespassing in march the obligation to get delegations into that was in february

[0:07:18] Voice 3: So, yeah, you know, if you want to be there,

[0:07:21] Voice 18: it's a denial.

[0:07:30] Voice 18: Anyway, let us know if there's anything on the package.

[0:07:33] Voice 18: Last year, both myself and Tracey, we voted against the budget because it was an increase.

[0:07:39] Voice 18: It doesn't really do anything, but it's a delay for us to not see full governance review

[0:07:52] Voice 18: implementation.

[0:07:54] Voice 18: There's just some dilemmas.

[0:07:55] Voice 18: We want to see certain things done, but

[0:07:59] Voice 18: it's kind of a protest.

[0:08:03] Voice 3: All right.

[0:08:04] Voice 3: I think that's it.

[0:08:07] Voice 10: Excellent.

[0:08:13] Voice 9: If anybody's got an icon or a speaker, hopefully we're okay, but I guess for some reason the staff's getting some

[0:08:28] Voice 10: feedback on the microphone.

[0:08:29] Voice 10: So anyhow, if people just...

[0:08:30] Voice 4: They can leave it at the staff, give me the link.

[0:08:32] Voice 10: Yeah, yeah.

[0:08:36] Voice 10: Okay, Brad, I think you'd like to start with that.

[0:08:39] Voice 5: I don't think so.

[0:08:39] Voice 5: it sounds like it my volume's off so i don't think it is

[0:08:54] Voice 11: brad your mic is on yeah sorry so

[0:08:59] Voice 9: there we go i think we got it we got it we're done

[0:09:03] Voice 9: all right

[0:09:04] Voice 1: thank you okay

[0:09:05] Voice 9: it's a segue across um oh yes we we it is a new a new format that we've

[0:09:10] Voice 9: established, I think, since last July or August. It's a little bit less formal.

[0:09:20] Voice 9: Unfortunately, we had a meeting scheduled for yesterday and we didn't get caught, so

[0:09:26] Voice 9: we're still kind of trying to figure out what works. We've had complaints because

[0:09:31] Voice 9: we've been doing them in the evenings and people were not happy about the

[0:09:35] Voice 9: evening stuff, so we moved it to one o'clock in the afternoon. We couldn't get

[0:09:40] enough people to attend it so so we couldn't have the meeting yesterday so we're still figuring

[0:09:45] things out a bit on that uh trust policy statement is going forward um with the

[0:09:52] Voice 9: loss of the meeting

[0:09:53] Voice 9: yesterday it's caused a little bit of a problem but we're trying to get to first reading in in

[0:09:59] Voice 9: june uh for trust council um but we're still tweaking a bit and hopefully we get enough

[0:10:08] Voice 9: not tweaking that trust council's comfortable set of diverse reading and we can get this thing

[0:10:13] Voice 9: sort of advanced um part of the issues with with the policy statement is it's supposed to be

[0:10:19] Voice 9: this constantly evolving document and how long this one's been 20 years yeah 20 odd years since

[0:10:26] Voice 9: it's been touched and that's the problem is we're sort of in this wholesale catch-up mode

[0:10:31] Voice 9: um trying to align with existing legislation um changes and all sorts of things we would

[0:10:38] Voice 9: within the trust and that 20-year catch-up is really really hard so hopefully we get this one

[0:10:45] Voice 9: done and then we start the evolutionary process for the next because it should always be looked

[0:10:52] Voice 9: at it should always be little tweaks like a lot of the LEPs or LTCs with the land use bylaws

[0:11:00] Voice 9: are doing like annual or bi-annual updates and that's the way the trust policy statement really

[0:11:06] Voice 9: should be in my mind we should always have eyes on it and we should make amendments as they come up

[0:11:11] Voice 9: rather than gather them for a 20-year update so that's going to happen um of course we had a

[0:11:18] Voice 9: nice trust council in victoria in december uh followed by an extremely long christmas break

[0:11:25] Voice 9: um the the way that the calendar aligned it's basically meant to two to three week break

[0:11:31] Voice 9: for many people. And so we had quite a lull between then and now. We're quite busy catching

[0:11:39] Voice 9: up. Lots of good stuff happening in the Trust. Our new CEO started on November 25th. He's

[0:11:51] Voice 9: been doing, in my opinion, a really fine job. He's come to us from the literature government

[0:11:59] Voice 9: and he really brings a lot of insight

[0:12:03] Voice 9: and a lot of really good answers to the trust.

[0:12:09] Voice 9: I'm very, very pleased with his performance today.

[0:12:13] Voice 9: I think it's really going to help us in the road forward.

[0:12:16] Voice 9: And certainly looking forward to Trust Council in March.

[0:12:22] Voice 9: It's funny, we always seem to have not enough time.

[0:12:27] Voice 9: And yesterday, BC Ferries came to us

[0:12:30] Voice 9: they want to do an actual consultation process with trust council and so we're trying to

[0:12:37] Voice 9: figure out the time for that to get them the time that they need to to do their process but

[0:12:44] Voice 9: it's so good and that was going to be quite a quite a full agenda but i think really really

[0:12:49] Voice 9: valuable so that's great all right so electoral director i do not see mr brett online um

[0:13:00] Voice 18: like standing invitation yeah yeah we maybe we can actively invite for the next meeting

[0:13:08] Voice 9: absolutely i see him on the ferry frequently so i will i will give him a poke it

[0:13:12] Voice 18: would be nice to

[0:13:13] Voice 18: just take

[0:13:13] Voice 9: a little more team yeah

[0:13:14] Voice 9: yeah i know it's it's the charity director he's a busy very

[0:13:19] Voice 9: busy person like it's like we just had a saturn meeting and he couldn't attend because he's

[0:13:24] Voice 9: north and they're at a park skating so um but no i will give a book uh all right so we now move into

[0:13:33] town hall um if anybody wants to speak just raise your hands we kind of allow two to three minutes

[0:13:39] but we're not really really much of the time uh but

[0:13:42] Voice 9: if you keep your sort of comments to the point

[0:13:44] Voice 9: three to be appreciated so anybody go ahead sir stand up

[0:13:49] Voice 9: yeah absolutely and

[0:13:50] Voice 18: because aaron's on

[0:13:51] Voice 18: virtual too if you can identify yourself that's the problem.

[0:13:53] Voice 15: Is there a camera on me?

[0:13:55] Voice 18: No, it's up here.

[0:13:56] Voice 18: Okay,

[0:13:57] Voice 15: so my name is Barry Ginlu. I'm at 3305 Port Washington Road. I've owned property there since

[0:14:05] Voice 15: 2018 and I run the Cottonwood Creek Farm. My specialty is honeybees. I've got about a million

[0:14:12] Voice 15: on site, wishing I had five, but that's like in this particular type of farm. So here's our items.

[0:14:19] Voice 15: These are information locally, I'm not asking for a response.

[0:14:24] Voice 15: First, the added truck traffic with,

[0:14:28] Voice 15: that goes with the potential industrial zoning

[0:14:33] Voice 15: down the road, my home is observing,

[0:14:41] Voice 15: receiving several vibrations, okay?

[0:14:45] Voice 15: Now I know when Port Washington Road was built,

[0:14:48] Voice 15: it was not built, it was built before

[0:14:51] Voice 15: or attendance pulling traders even existed, okay?

[0:14:55] Voice 15: I know my house built in the sixties

[0:14:57] Voice 15: is not built to today's standards for structure.

[0:15:00] Voice 15: So I understand that.

[0:15:02] Voice 15: Nevertheless, I'm at the point where

[0:15:04] Voice 15: I now have physical damage that needs to be repaired.

[0:15:08] Voice 15: So this is information for you.

[0:15:10] Voice 15: I will put together a report

[0:15:12] Voice 15: within about two weeks for your review.

[0:15:15] Voice 15: Okay, second item.

[0:15:17] Voice 15: At the end of the council meeting two months ago,

[0:15:20] Voice 15: know, you did a vote on that particular item.

[0:15:25] Voice 15: Trustee Aaron Campbell mentioned that he regularly

[0:15:31] Voice 15: meets Aaron to watch hockey on occasion.

[0:15:35] Voice 15: So from that, I'm going to infer that there

[0:15:38] Voice 15: is a personal relationship.

[0:15:40] Voice 15: So the question to Trustee Campbell

[0:15:43] Voice 15: is, has he received any gifts from Braden?

[0:15:48] Voice 15: uh don't need your answer right now but under the information creative information act i

[0:15:56] Voice 15: will write you a letter asking for that if there's any form of gifting in addition to

[0:16:03] Voice 15: the personal relationship i would strongly suggest trustee campbell accuse himself

[0:16:09] Voice 15: for any proceedings with respect to Brady. Thank you. Thank

[0:16:17] Voice 10: you. Anybody else?

[0:16:21] Voice 4: Hi, Cathy Chonk. With respect to the property on, sorry, on Harbour Hill Drive, the large hotel that's going in at the end of the lane,

[0:16:35] Voice 4: I've been told that the same family has purchased 4734 Caps and Crescents recently for $9.5

[0:16:47] Voice 4: million.

[0:16:48] Voice 4: They are currently installing another bathroom to house workers for that property at the

[0:16:58] Voice 4: end of Harbourport Drive.

[0:17:00] Voice 4: My question is, has the applicant put forward an application for an STVR for that problem?

[0:17:13] Voice 4: Katzen?

[0:17:13] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:17:15] Voice 4: And if not, how does one figure out from your perspective if it is indeed an STVR or this is just a rumor from the plumber who is doing the installation of that?

[0:17:30] Voice 4: I

[0:17:32] Voice 9: would ask Planner Smith, but I would think that if somebody purchased a home to house

[0:17:42] Voice 9: workers, if he's not writing it out, that's not an STVR, is it?

[0:17:49] Voice 5: It wouldn't be an STVR at all.

[0:17:52] Voice 4: Wouldn't part of the fee that those employees are charging be the work that they're going

[0:18:02] Voice 4: to be doing on the home fee like there's money being involved with staying you know like maybe

[0:18:09] Voice 4: it's a hundred dollars more you know a visit but it's not like that is free to those workers coming

[0:18:17] Voice 4: in to do plumbing or electric

[0:18:19] Voice 9: honestly i think the only way that you get a proper conclusion to your

[0:18:24] Voice 9: answer is to put in a bylaw complaint and have a bylaw enforcement officer investigate and determine

[0:18:30] Voice 9: because we can't we can't really work off of he said she said so if you put it if you put

[0:18:37] Voice 9: a complaint in then the violent force would do a proper investigation so

[0:18:42] Voice 4: my question is have they

[0:18:44] Voice 4: applied for an stvr application i

[0:18:49] Voice 10: don't believe so no no there's

[0:18:51] Voice 10: no application submitted

[0:18:53] Voice 10: been put on the bridge in previous times okay

[0:18:56] Voice 4: thank you anybody

[0:18:57] Voice 10: else all right

[0:19:00] Voice 4: can you sorry

[0:19:01] Voice 4: can i just get the address for that again 4734 captain's crescent thank you captain

[0:19:13] Voice 4: thank you all

[0:19:18] Voice 6: right i don't think it was nine point

[0:19:32] Voice 3: all right

[0:19:33] Voice 9: okay thank you very much so we'll move on the minutes 10.1 on page four we have

[0:19:38] Voice 9: any minutes dated november 29th 24 for adoption anybody have any comments or corrections

[0:19:47] Voice 5: The Chair, Emily, did send you an email recommending that you, based on the public requesting that

[0:19:57] Voice 5: in fact 17.3 was considered prior to 14 for us.

[0:20:02] Voice 5: Were these not the most recommended minutes, so?

[0:20:06] Voice 5: These are the minutes that you need to move 17.3, which was the NAPTEL.

[0:20:24] Voice 5: I

[0:20:25] Voice 6: missed being able to ask a question, did we move on or did we not?

[0:20:27] Voice 6: Yeah, sorry.

[0:20:29] Voice 17: We

[0:20:29] Voice 6: can back up.

[0:20:33] Voice 6: So if somebody has a house on Pender and they don't live in it, can they rent it on Airbnb?

[0:20:47] Voice 5: So there's two ways that you can have a short-term vacation rental legally on North Bender.

[0:20:53] Voice 5: One, you can have it through home business regulations, which would require that you

[0:20:56] Voice 5: have someone living on the property, either in the legal cottage or the primary dwelling

[0:21:01] Voice 5: and renting out the other structure.

[0:21:03] Voice 5: And then you can just, like, if you meet those home business regulations, you don't need

[0:21:08] Voice 5: any additional permits.

[0:21:09] Voice 5: it's just legal and you can do that. The other way is through a temporary use permit which is

[0:21:14] Voice 5: issued on a case-by-case basis and so you need to apply for that and the trustees would consider if

[0:21:21] Voice 5: they issue it or not and in both cases you could advertise those on Airbnb. The home

[0:21:32] Voice 5: occupation regulation would also be on Airbnb so seeing it on Airbnb might not necessarily.

[0:21:39] Voice 5: So I understand the first one, but the second

[0:21:42] Voice 6: one is the one I'm interested in, just to understand, theoretically.

[0:21:47] Voice 6: So

[0:21:48] Voice 5: do we

[0:21:49] Voice 6: have a limited number

[0:21:50] Voice 5: that we can give up?

[0:21:52] Voice 6: There's like 10 or 11 right now. There is a

[0:21:54] Voice 5: limit in Magic Lake, but it's never come even close to that limit.

[0:21:57] Voice 5: I think the limit's 20 maybe or something in Magic Lake. There's

[0:22:02] Voice 1: no limit elsewhere.

[0:22:03] Voice 1: But

[0:22:03] Voice 5: limiting it hasn't been a problem today in that there isn't an overwhelming demand for these temporary use grounds.

[0:22:10] Voice 5: temporary use permit of course only apply to a situation where you don't have something

[0:22:14] Voice 5: but so are we aware if our people renting them out of their whole house and not living in it

[0:22:21] like and

[0:22:22] Voice 6: don't have a temporary use yes of course we're

[0:22:25] Voice 18: trying to crack down on that

[0:22:26] Voice 5: so what does

[0:22:27] Voice 5: that what does that mean so that the issue that we can't crack down it's just difficult to have

[0:22:32] Voice 5: the bylaw enforcement capacity and like from a financial perspective to yeah just we just and

[0:22:39] Voice 5: And so typically they're complaint driven.

[0:22:41] Voice 5: So that's why I'm suggesting if you are concerned

[0:22:44] Voice 5: that your neighbor's property, for example,

[0:22:47] Voice 5: is being used illegally as a short-term application.

[0:22:49] Voice 5: No, I'm not discussing that.

[0:22:50] Voice 5: I'm just saying.

[0:22:51] Voice 5: Then you would typically,

[0:22:54] Voice 5: our enforcement policy works complaint driven.

[0:22:58] Voice 5: The LTC could direct,

[0:23:00] Voice 5: and they do sometimes,

[0:23:01] Voice 5: more active enforcement of STDRs

[0:23:05] Voice 5: or any other issue that they have concern with.

[0:23:08] Voice 5: but typically our violent enforcement approaches is is complaint driven uh mainly because

[0:23:14] Voice 5: we just don't have the capacity to to have a different approach we don't have 100 boots

[0:23:19] Voice 5: on the ground so

[0:23:20] Voice 6: which is to go on to airbnb and like when they're rented yeah that's not

[0:23:24] Voice 6: so

[0:23:25] Voice 18: that is

[0:23:27] Voice 18: done occasionally um i have talked with by last about that so there is the occasional time

[0:23:33] Voice 18: when violence staff go through and just do a search on airbnb and look at those um because

[0:23:38] Voice 18: we do have uh enforcement on that but it is very difficult to keep track yeah

[0:23:43] Voice 6: because i don't need

[0:23:44] Voice 6: it but i don't want to get specific but i don't want to complain i mean it's not i know nobody

[0:23:48] Voice 18: does

[0:23:48] Voice 6: yeah i'm just wondering what the rule is and they don't follow the rules yeah but there's also

[0:23:55] Voice 6: the greater thing with the province i mean for

[0:23:57] Voice 5: anything but it's difficult for us to proactively

[0:24:00] Voice 5: bring it to light just because there's literally three by four bylaw enforcement staff for the

[0:24:07] Voice 5: trust here so they're just stretched so they don't need to prioritize that it's completely a

[0:24:12] Voice 5: island stress thing it's not a separate anything the the the stbr regulations are in terms of

[0:24:17] Voice 5: enforcement or bylaws or yeah it's the the regulations are island stress so that's what

[0:24:26] Voice 6: So

[0:24:27] Voice 18: one clarification on that. So LTCs can set active enforcement goals, right? As opposed to

[0:24:35] Voice 18: passive. So passive enforcement goals are complaint driven. But we can also say these things we want

[0:24:40] Voice 18: to be more actively enforced because they're really problematic in our community. So we can

[0:24:45] Voice 18: put standing resolutions in place to create active enforcement. So right now, our active

[0:24:50] Voice 18: enforcement if I remember correctly is primarily around derelict vehicles because we were concerned

[0:24:56] Voice 18: there's a fairly big concern on this island about the number of derelict vehicles that are sitting

[0:24:59] Voice 18: there and potentially like causing groundwater related challenges. So derelict vehicles became

[0:25:04] Voice 18: a fairly high priority for this LTC. That alone has sucked up most of our potential for

[0:25:11] Voice 18: bylaw enforcement. There is currently at the trust council level a review of bylaw enforcement a

[0:25:17] Voice 18: a whole bio-enforcement guide come through and so these are some of the structural things that

[0:25:21] Voice 18: are like taking some time to fix that we've been working on for like six years the entire time

[0:25:25] Voice 18: so and when we as we fix those things then we have much like for instance i would improve more

[0:25:34] Voice 18: staff and bio-enforcement if i knew there was actually set procedures like that are being

[0:25:39] Voice 18: followed and that it's not just nothing personal or not that this is but not the wild west on bio

[0:25:45] Voice 18: level. So I just I want to see a guide of how it's done and to make sure it's equitable and fair and

[0:25:51] Voice 18: calm and like it's educational not just punitive right. So like all of those components need to be

[0:25:57] Voice 18: because I don't want the first contact that our community has with the trust to be bylaw

[0:26:01] Voice 18: enforcement in a negative way. That's not conducted right. So what we really need to be doing is like

[0:26:07] Voice 18: hey did you know there was a bylaw there like that's what we need to be doing first right.

[0:26:11] Voice 9: so i see the file force manager dingman has come online so maybe provide further clarification for

[0:26:17] Voice 9: us so i just want

[0:26:18] Voice 6: to clarify i'm just talking about the situation so

[0:26:23] Voice 9: mr dingman so chair for

[0:26:26] Voice 1: north pender there is a regular proactive review of all the airbnb ads i've done multiple times

[0:26:34] Voice 1: Last year, new files were opened when we had suspected non-permitted operators.

[0:26:41] Voice 1: So the proactive work is still being done.

[0:26:44] Voice 1: It'll be done again in the spring.

[0:26:46] Voice 1: I'll review all of the advertisements that I can find

[0:26:50] Voice 1: to determine whether or not they meet the home-based business regulations.

[0:26:56] Voice 18: Warren, is that a standing resolution that we have,

[0:26:59] Voice 18: or is that just because we have regulations related to STVR, so you're doing it?

[0:27:03] Voice 18: so

[0:27:04] Voice 1: off the top of my head i can't recall the resolution but there is within trust council

[0:27:10] Voice 1: policy if someone has uh is advertising a non-permitted use then we can uh enforce we

[0:27:21] Voice 1: can open a file and proceed with an investigation based on the fact that um they're advertising

[0:27:29] Voice 1: that unlawful use so on maine for example there's no resolution but it's acknowledged i think it's

[0:27:35] Voice 1: the same for galliano that the standing the trust council policy is being used to proactively

[0:27:40] Voice 1: enforce on the non-permitted rentals and it may be the case for the north pender as well

[0:27:48] Voice 1: there's

[0:27:49] Voice 5: there's no specific there's no specific standing resolution on your

[0:27:54] Voice 5: We only stand in resolution with respect to STBRs is to send any STBR permits to the Magic Lake Sewer Catchment and Sewer and Water Committee to confirm infrastructure.

[0:28:09] Voice 9: Can you speak briefly to the new provincial regulations for registering?

[0:28:15] Voice 9: That's right.

[0:28:18] Voice 1: So, Chair, the province is now, you know, it's taken them some time to do it.

[0:28:23] Voice 1: They've set up their registry so that all operators in the province that are on Airbnb, VRBO, or any other platform, they must be registered with the province.

[0:28:36] Voice 1: If they are not registered, they just can't be there.

[0:28:41] Voice 1: The province can take action.

[0:28:45] Voice 1: And that's the registry.

[0:28:47] Voice 1: They've also started setting up their enforcement team, and apparently they are doing some enforcement.

[0:28:52] Voice 1: But North Pender is excluded from the regulations right now, right?

[0:28:58] Voice 1: North Pender has not opted in, to my knowledge, to those regulations.

[0:29:03] Voice 1: So the land use bylaw applies and we're doing our enforcement, but the province would not be doing any enforcement on their part if people are not renting out just their principal residence or the lawful sweeter cottage on Airbnb.

[0:29:23] Voice 18: So we need to opt in, from my perspective.

[0:29:26] Voice 18: So can we, I'm not sure if that's come to us

[0:29:31] Voice 18: or if we just haven't focused on that given other things.

[0:29:34] Voice 18: So can we add that to the next meeting agenda maybe

[0:29:37] Voice 18: just to like know what that resolution is

[0:29:39] Voice 18: and like, you know, move

[0:29:41] Voice 18: forward on that?

[0:29:42] Voice 13: We have discussed this.

[0:29:44] Voice 13: The bill- Oh, we have?

[0:29:45] Voice 18: Okay.

[0:29:46] Voice 13: With respect to the last meeting,

[0:29:48] Voice 13: the bill that we would have to enact

[0:29:53] Voice 13: is voluntary right now

[0:29:56] Voice 13: and

[0:29:57] Voice 13: if we do it

[0:30:00] Voice 13: it the my understanding of it and and warren is right to say to confirm or not um that once we

[0:30:11] Voice 13: follow bill 51 i think 35 35 they would they would take all the province would actually

[0:30:20] Voice 13: take control of the stvrs on pender island that

[0:30:28] Voice 1: wouldn't be the quite the way i would phrase it

[0:30:29] Voice 1: there's it would bring into question the temporary use permits that have been issued uh to date uh

[0:30:38] Voice 1: so if there is someone doing if you opt in and then someone had gotten a temporary use permit

[0:30:46] Voice 1: for just their single dwelling on their property to rent that at an stbr

[0:30:50] Voice 1: then that may not be lawful anymore right because the provincial regulation says it's supposed to

[0:30:57] Voice 1: to be your principal residence or your lawful suite

[0:31:01] Voice 1: or your lawful cottage.

[0:31:03] Voice 1: So it does bring into question the temporary use permits

[0:31:08] Voice 1: that have been issued, although at times there's conflicting stories

[0:31:14] Voice 1: in the press about whether or not the temporary use permits are allowed.

[0:31:19] Voice 1: So that does lead to some confusion.

[0:31:24] Voice 1: And Robert Kajima may be able to provide more detail.

[0:31:27] Voice 1: But even in the latest article that was in the newspaper about establishing the registry, there was reference to TUPs being, you know, they would consider whether or not there was a TUP for the operation, as opposed to just for most of the jurisdiction, there's going to be a business license, but there's no business licenses for Islands Trust or on the Gulf Islands.

[0:31:48] Voice 9: Okay, so I

[0:31:49] Voice 9: see Regional Planning Manager Kojima has jumped in. So over to you, Senator.

[0:31:54] Voice 9: Thank

[0:31:54] Voice 11: you, Chair. Yeah, Trustee Campbell's correct and Warren as well. And the other thing I would only add to that is that opting in is once a year. And you also would have to turn your minds to the fact that if you're into the provincial enforcement and interpretation, then it would have to be, so in the situation where it's home business, it would clearly have to be the operator's principal residence.

[0:32:24] Voice 11: primary primary residence so that could cause issues where there's people are using it seasonally

[0:32:28] Voice 11: and they have a residence somewhere else that they maintain as their principal residence they

[0:32:32] Voice 11: could lose that ability as well um so there's a number of nuances to opting in

[0:32:39] Voice 18: okay i do yeah i

[0:32:41] Voice 18: do remember a bit of this conversation now sorry it's been two months but um so i although i don't

[0:32:48] Voice 18: actually see this captured in our notes from last meeting i just looked through the notes and i

[0:32:52] Voice 18: don't see it uh which is a little concerning um so maybe what we can do is when we get to the

[0:32:58] Voice 18: follow-up action or our project list we could just talk a little bit about this and think about where

[0:33:03] Voice 18: that sits in our next work this spring because i there has been a lot of questions about stvrs in

[0:33:11] Voice 18: our community and it's part of the housing kind of conversation a little bit oh that's right that's

[0:33:15] Voice 18: where we had it it was part of the housing conversation okay okay

[0:33:18] Voice 5: yeah potential action

[0:33:23] Voice 5: yeah so that's your

[0:33:25] Voice 5: abc report that recommends that you consider removal the issuance of tps

[0:33:31] Voice 5: yeah

[0:33:31] Voice 18: that's right i remember that now so it's wrapped up in the housing conversation because

[0:33:35] Voice 18: we wanted to understand that one so thank you for that

[0:33:37] Voice 9: trustee carol i

[0:33:41] Voice 13: put my hand back down

[0:33:43] Voice 9: Okay, so you're happy.

[0:33:44] Voice 9: All right, so we're done?

[0:33:47] Voice 9: Okay, it's over to you, sir.

[0:33:48] Voice 15: Real quick, to confer, for STVRs, the number of days rented is less than 30?

[0:33:56] Voice 18: No, it's very dependent on the TUP, and as a home-based business, I don't know.

[0:34:01] Voice 9: No, but to trigger an STVR, yes.

[0:34:04] Voice 9: Less than 30 days in a row.

[0:34:06] Voice 9: 30

[0:34:06] Voice 15: days or less.

[0:34:07] Voice 15: Yeah, correct.

[0:34:08] Voice 5: Okay,

[0:34:08] Voice 15: so if I go on Airbnb every time I empty a building for a minimum of 30 days, like

[0:34:14] Voice 15: somebody else wants a residence on the island, is there anything wrong with that?

[0:34:19] Voice 5: So you could rent your house for 45 days and it would fall under the BC rental tax.

[0:34:24] Voice 5: Once you pass 30 days, it ceases being an S2DR and it becomes a long-term rental.

[0:34:31] Voice 5: And

[0:34:31] Voice 15: there are groups of people out there, families, who want to come for 30 or 60 days

[0:34:36] Voice 15: that's right or vacation that's right so they would be considered rental

[0:34:41] Voice 5: tenancy act yeah

[0:34:42] Voice 3: thank you all

[0:34:44] Voice 9: right thank you okay so we'll pop back to the minutes um emily has kindly emailed us

[0:34:52] Voice 9: um

[0:34:53] Voice 18: what do i need to do here it seems like i need to make an amendment to the current uh so

[0:35:00] Voice 9: just adopt the minutes as amended during the meeting so

[0:35:04] Voice 9: we have a circulated set of amended meetings that is here in our

[0:35:10] Voice 9: notes yeah okay so so those are

[0:35:13] Voice 9: what lisa would use to to show us being our minutes i

[0:35:18] Voice 5: would say that you the ltc uh uh

[0:35:22] Voice 5: amends the november 29 minutes to move 17.3 prior to 14.4 and then you adopt it all right yeah okay

[0:35:33] Voice 5: Okay. All

[0:35:34] Voice 18: right. I'm just going to go ahead and do that.

[0:35:36] Voice 18: Okay. I move that we amend the minutes of November 29, 2024 to move item 17.3 to after item 14.3.

[0:35:59] Voice 9: Okay, seconded. Trustee Campbell? Seconded. For the discussion, call the question. All in favor? So they're amended.

[0:36:08] Voice 9: No, we've adopted.

[0:36:10] Voice 9: Yeah, so by general consent, we'll adopt the amendments as amended.

[0:36:14] Voice 9: Thank you. Thanks

[0:36:16] Voice 19: for catching that, Emily.

[0:36:17] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:36:19] Voice 19: We'll actually go to Sarah.

[0:36:21] Voice 19: Oh, okay. Thanks, Sarah. Oh, that was Sarah.

[0:36:23] Voice 19: yeah all

[0:36:24] Voice 9: righty so minister down uh we have a section 26 resolution meeting report dated january

[0:36:32] Voice 9: 2025 your information and we have requested planning commission minutes dated september

[0:36:37] Voice 9: december 13th and january 17th for receipt and certainly i do appreciate there is a lot of work

[0:36:45] Voice 9: being put on for that organization and we really really appreciate the amount of work that's been

[0:36:51] Voice 9: about this yeah

[0:36:53] Voice 18: and if i can just one comment on the apb um so in the package for this meeting

[0:36:59] Voice 18: if we look at the apb minutes which is our advisory planning committee commission um

[0:37:06] Voice 18: they actually did talk about the short-term vacation rentals and they thought that we

[0:37:12] Voice 18: should opt to bill 35 phase out the opportunity so that's a

[0:37:17] Voice 3: nice one actually when you don't

[0:37:19] Voice 3: opt-in but

[0:37:19] Voice 5: then you just decide to not issue but because of the effort to opt-in and also the

[0:37:29] Voice 5: consequences of for example what robert did right

[0:37:34] Voice 18: okay yeah so not into bill but phase out the

[0:37:37] Voice 18: temporaries and

[0:37:38] Voice 5: what you could do is you could either just stop issuing them you could issue

[0:37:41] Voice 5: an outstanding resolution that despite your guidelines you're not issuing them anymore

[0:37:45] Voice 5: more, or you could revisit your guidelines. For example, last term on Galliano, they had

[0:37:51] Voice 5: a set of guidelines in there to reuse permit guidelines like yours do that describe how

[0:37:57] Voice 5: you enable TUPs. They removed all of them and said you can't have TUPs for STPR2. So

[0:38:03] Voice 5: those are kind of the three decisions. But that you can consider as we move through your

[0:38:08] Voice 5: action plan implementation that could be a version of this so just as one of the

[0:38:15] Voice 5: consideration in may

[0:38:18] Voice 3: okay that sounds good thank

[0:38:20] Voice 5: you all right

[0:38:23] Voice 9: um so just by general consent we

[0:38:28] Voice 9: receive these from okay um so moving on page 24 follow-up action list um any comments questions

[0:38:41] Voice 19: I'm really excited to see the rafters nest.

[0:38:47] Voice 9: So we will move on to the delegations.

[0:38:55] Voice 9: So we're 12.1, the CRD Parks and Recreation Commission, Reece Schooner Way Trail Updates.

[0:39:04] Voice 9: and i see that we have several crd participants who is leading the charge here justine

[0:39:13] Voice 14: hi uh thank you chair i will i'll just kick us off here to um say the reason we have come to

[0:39:20] Voice 14: the north pender local trust committee today is to give you some notice and to and you know there

[0:39:26] Voice 14: by the community that we're starting work for the schooner way trail on schooner way and as part of

[0:39:35] Voice 14: that that site prep we're going to be doing some tree removal over the next month and we just

[0:39:41] Voice 14: wanted to ensure the ltc is aware of this i have our project engineer cody murray is on the is also

[0:39:49] Voice 14: joined in case there are technical questions and we have rob fossett who is representing the pender

[0:39:54] Voice 14: island parks and rec commission in the audience today to be able to give you an overview of the

[0:40:00] Voice 14: trail and the plans for that active transportation network but we wanted to just make the local trust

[0:40:07] Voice 14: committee aware that we're doing work um and we're not um planning to remove any trees that haven't

[0:40:13] Voice 14: been identified as essential to be removed by our arborist report um the uh the we've been very

[0:40:21] Voice 14: very sensitive in ensuring that it's only those trees that are marked as highly hazardous from

[0:40:27] Voice 14: a safety perspective will be removed. So dead, dying trees. And the work is being done soon

[0:40:36] Voice 14: in order to respect the nesting windows also, all in accordance with our arborist report.

[0:40:42] Voice 14: So I just, I'm here to deliver that kind of overview. If you have technical questions,

[0:40:48] Voice 14: questions Cody is available to answer them but I think but before you jump into questions it

[0:40:53] Voice 14: would be helpful if uh Rob Fawcett could introduce the project as a whole thank you

[0:41:00] Voice 6: oh yeah so I'm here with the IVRC um and as you know they are building the scooter away uh school

[0:41:07] Voice 6: trail so it will be the first active transportation style trail on Pender and it's designed to

[0:41:15] Voice 6: accommodate walkers safely accommodate walkers and cyclists it's a three meter wide engineered

[0:41:20] Voice 6: pathway that will run from the danmark baseball park to the school uh that will allow penderites

[0:41:27] Voice 6: and visitors to have a viable safe enjoyable environmentally friendly options for getting

[0:41:32] Voice 6: around the island the crd regional parks has plans to build an complementary trail system

[0:41:39] Voice 6: from the ferry to the school that's sort of the reason why the local parks commission decided to

[0:41:44] Voice 6: do this portion into where our majority of us live and to get to the school safely of course.

[0:41:51] Voice 6: So once the full connection is complete we will be able to get around the island to our homes,

[0:41:57] Voice 6: work, school, parks, other places of interest safely and have as I say a viable environmentally

[0:42:03] Voice 6: friendly option to get around. We're working closely with the BC government on the project.

[0:42:08] Voice 6: We have to get the license of occupations within the Ministry of Transportation and

[0:42:14] Voice 6: Transit.

[0:42:14] Voice 6: Now, I guess they're called not infrastructure.

[0:42:17] Voice 6: So we've received that license of occupation.

[0:42:20] Voice 6: And also, we are collaborating with them from a practical and environmental perspective

[0:42:26] Voice 6: in the sense that they have provided us with 850 cubic meters of material from the dip

[0:42:35] project.

[0:42:36] and so that's all stayed on the island.

[0:42:38] It's being stored here and will be processed

[0:42:41] and 100% of the trail

[0:42:42] Voice 6: will be built with that material.

[0:42:45] Voice 6: So yeah, that gives you a bit of an overview.

[0:42:49] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:42:50] Voice 3: Questions?

[0:42:51] Voice 3: Yeah, I have three questions.

[0:42:54] Voice 18: Three meters wide, sounds very wide.

[0:42:56] Voice 18: How many trees, can somebody, maybe Cody,

[0:43:00] Voice 18: talk a little bit more about what engineered is?

[0:43:02] Voice 18: Because my understanding is that

[0:43:03] Voice 18: that that may not look like a rural trail and I would love to understand what that is visually

[0:43:09] Voice 18: and is it fully within the ministry of transportation and transfer whatever they're

[0:43:16] Voice 18: called right now right I

[0:43:18] Voice 6: can answer a bit Cody says well I can I can answer from my perspective

[0:43:21] Voice 6: the last question is that majority of it is 95 and so we have a statute for because some of the

[0:43:30] Voice 6: property lines on bender island are very very strange where to say the least for property

[0:43:36] Voice 6: private property ownership sometimes comes out even onto and sometimes across the road

[0:43:42] Voice 6: ways uh while we've been able to work with all the people that we need to in that section people

[0:43:49] Voice 6: out there have been really excited about it i guess and yeah so we have to get some statutory

[0:43:53] Voice 6: right away for slitters along there. So what was the first question?

[0:43:58] Voice 18: Do we know how many trees roughly are going in?

[0:44:02] Voice 18: We know

[0:44:03] Voice 6: that, and then this is the last one. It's three metres wide, sea wide.

[0:44:09] Voice 6: Yeah, so it's within the

[0:44:12] Voice 6: design of British Columbia BC active

[0:44:14] Voice 6: transportation style, like the Galloping Goose, it's in the same

[0:44:18] Voice 6: sort of style as that so that you can walk and bike both directions so if it was narrower

[0:44:25] you

[0:44:26] Voice 6: would then have potential to be able to safely walk and bike both directions so then

[0:44:32] Voice 6: you could potentially build one on the other side of the road i guess it would be kind of a

[0:44:37] Voice 6: very effective use of the because the idea is for people to be able to walk and bike safely

[0:44:44] Voice 6: quickly so the engineer and we have an engineer here but from a layman's perspective i think the

[0:44:48] Voice 6: engineering means that you do different layers of material that we're going to create so that it's a

[0:44:54] permanent trail it's not like uh so it won't degrade

[0:44:58] Voice 6: on any sort of level it's a well-built

[0:45:01] Voice 6: trail but i guess the engineer so maybe

[0:45:06] Voice 18: before we go to cody one last thing um so how involved

[0:45:10] Voice 18: involved has not been because I know that like moving around Pender had been involved in this

[0:45:16] Voice 18: like before 2018 before because I had worked with them before I became a trustee yeah and

[0:45:22] Voice 18: one of the

[0:45:23] Voice 18: concerns at that time around going with an engineered trail in anywhere on Pender was the

[0:45:28] Voice 18: sort of overbuilt for the size of population that we have here like all that you said I totally agree

[0:45:35] Voice 18: with if you're in the middle of victoria but here on the island i don't know how much that is

[0:45:40] Voice 18: like a concern and i'm worried about taking up more space with pathways that are taking

[0:45:46] Voice 18: away other things that we thought so just you know so to continue yeah anyway so mr murray

[0:45:54] Voice 9: will hand it over to you uh

[0:45:58] Voice 2: great i hope everyone can uh can hear me okay um so with with regard to

[0:46:04] Voice 2: the engineered design of the trail um rob was kind of right it looks more at the construction

[0:46:11] Voice 2: of the actual trail return in terms of like so we've looked at sight lines around bends and

[0:46:17] Voice 2: corners um proximity to the road uh safe distances from from the edge of the asphalt we've also

[0:46:26] Voice 2: looked a lot at the drainage and this was a big thing that we worked with mott on was um you know

[0:46:33] Voice 2: of not negatively impacting the drainage off the road or from any of the adjacent properties

[0:46:37] Voice 2: um so there's a bit of ditch work and like culvert replacements that we have to do that

[0:46:43] Voice 2: that's kind of all part of the engineer design um and then and then rob's point too about kind

[0:46:50] Voice 2: of how the trail is constructed from from the subgrade um to the base and then to the trail

[0:46:56] Voice 2: trail surface as well and this type of trail with the kind of we call it like a pathway blend kind

[0:47:04] Voice 2: of trail screening surface it's a very common standard trail kind of all through British

[0:47:11] Voice 2: Columbia you know the CRD uses it on the rural part of Galloping Goose out near Sooke it's part

[0:47:19] Voice 2: of like the Sooke Hills Wilderness Trail and the Trans-Canada Trail that go up from Victoria to

[0:47:25] Voice 2: to Duncan. Um, and, uh, so it's certainly, we, we certainly respect like the, um, more like kind

[0:47:34] Voice 2: of rural, less urban aspect of the Pender, Pender Island community, which is why it's, this isn't

[0:47:40] Voice 2: like a, a asphalted surface at all. Um, and again, with, with regard to the trees, like there,

[0:47:49] Voice 2: There may be instances where we narrow the trail between some trees or around a tree, you know, instead of removing that tree.

[0:47:59] Voice 2: So we're kind of working with the area that we have available to us.

[0:48:04] Voice 2: And most of the trail is along like the shoulder of the road or on the other side of the ditch.

[0:48:13] Voice 2: It's we're not, you know, we're not taking this trail like very far onto private lands where we're getting those statutory right of ways.

[0:48:22] Voice 2: So it's fairly contained within or near the existing road allowance that's that's already there.

[0:48:30] Voice 2: Any questions on that before I get more into the trees themselves?

[0:48:35] Voice 18: Just knowing that area where it is, how has the Conservancy been a partner or collaborator in this in any way?

[0:48:42] Voice 2: yes and i think rob can probably speak more to that but um yeah we've certainly been in

[0:48:47] Voice 2: communication with them

[0:48:48] Voice 18: with the island's trust concerns here with the pender concerns

[0:48:51] Voice 18: i

[0:48:52] Voice 6: haven't really known what each of these have they been a partner with what sense like have

[0:48:57] Voice 18: they been involved in the conversations off the design because that area is quite contentious

[0:49:01] Voice 18: like just related to some of the logging that's going on down there i mean we it's been a whole

[0:49:06] Voice 18: issue this last few years yeah um

[0:49:10] Voice 6: no i mean mostly from the waterway perspective it's the engineers

[0:49:14] Voice 6: the ministry of transportation engineers and our engineers have to make sure that the water flow

[0:49:20] Voice 6: is properly in the design so yeah from the

[0:49:24] Voice 18: island stress perspective we have to make sure that all

[0:49:26] Voice 18: environmental like components are considered so we'd really like it like like please do it

[0:49:32] Voice 18: like talk to the Pender Island Conservancy because they're involved with the aspects of the island

[0:49:38] Voice 18: and they should be on this in this conversation.

[0:49:41] Voice 9: I guess equally this is has the raptor nesting

[0:49:46] Voice 9: mapping well

[0:49:47] Voice 18: I know and

[0:49:48] Voice 9: both regulations being considered in all of this because

[0:49:50] Voice 18: we just changed

[0:49:51] Voice 18: the raptor's nest mapping and there's raptor's nests down that area.

[0:49:56] Voice 2: Yeah we are aware of the

[0:49:58] Voice 2: one and um it does the radius of that polygon does extend kind of to the edge of schooner way

[0:50:08] Voice 2: on the one property and there are a couple trees within that polygon um that we will be removing

[0:50:19] Voice 2: but they are uh kind of they are definitely dead or dying and considered hazardous to trail work

[0:50:27] Voice 2: or trail users and we've had our arborist report you know looked at whether there were active nests

[0:50:36] Voice 2: in any of those when we had it completed last year so and you know we're we're having all the

[0:50:43] Voice 2: work done by certified arborists as well so you know they're going to know what to look for if

[0:50:47] Voice 2: if anything has changed since respectfully

[0:50:51] Voice 18: i understand what you're saying but that's from

[0:50:54] Voice 18: one particular perspective and in like an arborist will look at a tree from an arborist perspective

[0:51:01] Voice 18: like we have the raptor's nest um dpa that we have here requires us or i don't know if it requires

[0:51:09] Voice 18: us to probably clarify that but we generally have had biologists who take the more holistic

[0:51:14] Voice 18: perspective on all of the ecology um and dead trees don't necessarily mean they don't have

[0:51:20] Voice 18: wildlife value yeah

[0:51:22] Voice 2: most of the trees will be left if we can we'll be leaving wildlife snags

[0:51:27] Voice 2: um so 20 30 meter high um kind of just dead stump there that um if we can in places so i

[0:51:37] Voice 14: i can jump

[0:51:38] Voice 14: in and just advise i i am really aware of the new development permit area that's being proposed and

[0:51:44] Voice 14: we went carefully through uh the guidelines that would be required if that development permit

[0:51:48] Voice 14: permit area were in place while this work was being conducted and we would absolutely be

[0:51:54] Voice 14: submitting an exemption under because we have an arborist report that's identified the trees to be

[0:52:01] Voice 14: removed as hazardous and so it would be eligible for exemptions under the new development permit

[0:52:06] Voice 14: area if that were in place.

[0:52:10] Voice 18: I totally understand and it's not that I'm not against this trail

[0:52:13] Voice 18: that's the one community organization map that I actually participated in before I became elected

[0:52:19] Voice 18: so i totally get it it's really problematic for the conservancy not to have been involved here

[0:52:26] Voice 18: on this island the conservancy not to have been involved in these conversations from day one

[0:52:30] Voice 18: because

[0:52:30] Voice 17: now you're getting

[0:52:31] Voice 18: to the point and this is not just and i it's just not situated this is

[0:52:36] Voice 18: not the first situation we've had with different crd things that just kind of walked through

[0:52:42] Voice 18: different regulations that we have and i know we don't have the raptors new raptors nest ones in

[0:52:47] Voice 18: in place yet but like collaboration please please yeah

[0:52:52] Voice 14: i mean respectfully through the chair that's

[0:52:55] Voice 14: why we're here today talking to you is to make you aware and we have been i think i think um

[0:53:01] Voice 14: rob's able to give you more information but we've definitely been in conversations with the pender

[0:53:06] Voice 14: island conservancy about this because they participate in the pender islands parks commission

[0:53:11] Voice 14: and and so there it's not um we're not doing this in isolation of pika somebody

[0:53:17] Voice 18: clarify because i

[0:53:18] Voice 18: have them both in the room right now and i'm getting a shake of head and i'm getting like

[0:53:22] Voice 18: i'm not getting there

[0:53:23] Voice 6: we i can say i mean we haven't like there's a bit of formal

[0:53:26] Voice 6: hands-on admission and we discussed the whole process of the trails yeah so i didn't think

[0:53:33] there's any formal uh that

[0:53:35] Voice 6: we need to do anything formally but definitely they're definitely formed

[0:53:38] Voice 6: of the whole trail concept for the last two years as the entire community has been this i've tried

[0:53:44] Voice 6: to make sure so i don't think i'm not really sure what formally there could have been done other

[0:53:49] Voice 6: than the arborists that we got work to get to gun i'm not sure what else maybe

[0:53:55] Voice 18: we just need a sort

[0:53:56] Voice 18: of like to revisit our protocol agreement with crd and just have a standing thing that we just need

[0:54:01] Voice 18: like the conservancy to have a letter of support on the projects that you're doing because i'm

[0:54:06] Voice 18: I'm seeing things sometimes come forward that like there's two or three things you know and

[0:54:11] Voice 18: some are more of the province but you know I can list them if you want there's like three I can

[0:54:16] Voice 18: think of top of my head so it's not betrayal specifically that I'm like it's just there's

[0:54:21] Voice 18: a history of like not full clarity between the trust and I know you're here now that's great

[0:54:28] Voice 18: but you already have everything designed and you're starting to like so that's not consultation

[0:54:35] Voice 18: That's like communication from like one person to the other about here's what I'm doing.

[0:54:40] Voice 18: That's not engagement.

[0:54:41] Voice 18: So I also say that as a

[0:54:43] Voice 16: commissioner, I was there to volunteer with the community.

[0:54:46] Voice 16: The fact that I worked with the Conservancy was not relevant to that.

[0:54:49] Voice 16: And so anything I said as a commissioner, I did not speak with the Conservancy.

[0:54:54] Voice 18: Yeah, so so just as a standing move, and like maybe we can just officially say this from

[0:54:59] Voice 18: our LPC, like we need to write a letter to the CRD or something, but we just need the

[0:55:04] Voice 18: CRD to be like in direct communication with our conservancy around these issues because like they

[0:55:10] Voice 18: just spark problems for us in community when the the conservancy is really active here and

[0:55:14] Voice 18: they're doing a lot and we just need them to be in the conversation early like directly so

[0:55:24] Voice 13: i'm just coming from us though sorry you

[0:55:27] Voice 18: can't hear it very well

[0:55:30] Voice 18: just

[0:55:30] Voice 13: coming from us should it be to the pender conservancy or the island's trust conservancy

[0:55:38] Voice 13: because the pender conservancy is a standalone organization outside of the island's trust

[0:55:47] Voice 13: yeah

[0:55:49] Voice 18: it could be both frankly because it wouldn't have hurt for the island's trust conservancy

[0:55:54] Voice 18: to like have people walk through and check the just give their opinion like but they they're

[0:55:59] Voice 18: are slightly different because they mostly manage covenant lands so they have a slightly different

[0:56:04] Voice 18: mandate i think i don't i don't know i don't know if you ever thought on that but i feel like the

[0:56:10] Voice 18: pender island conservancy does more sort of across the island in a holistic way the islands trust

[0:56:16] Voice 18: conservancy really manages covenant related lands i don't know if that's an accurate differentiation

[0:56:22] Voice 18: but yeah i'm

[0:56:27] Voice 13: just thinking as for for us to say that we would have a requirement though

[0:56:33] Voice 13: right

[0:56:35] Voice 18: well i can't i don't know that we can

[0:56:36] Voice 18: say it's a requirement i can say that it would make

[0:56:40] Voice 18: things a lot smoother for the crd if they actually like did that as a proactive move

[0:56:44] Voice 18: and i think us communicating that probably is helpful okay

[0:56:51] Voice 13: that's not sort of what it's

[0:56:54] Voice 13: sounding like at the moment so that's why i'm annoyed

[0:56:57] Voice 18: i'm

[0:56:59] Voice 13: asking for clarification on what

[0:57:00] Voice 13: we're really trying to say here yeah

[0:57:03] Voice 18: no thanks for the clarification aaron it's because i'm

[0:57:06] Voice 18: annoyed because this is

[0:57:07] Voice 18: like i think and it's not i'm not annoyed at justine or i'm not annoyed at

[0:57:11] Voice 18: any one individual i'm annoyed at a system that has the crd doing things without deeper community

[0:57:16] Voice 18: and it's not that they haven't had community engagement as to rob's point it's that not

[0:57:21] Voice 18: everyone in the community had been consulted and there's obvious organizations like the

[0:57:26] Voice 18: conservancy that seem like they should have been especially with this area yeah okay there was a

[0:57:36] lot of public consultation like in terms of consulting yeah a lot a lot so and i know eric

[0:57:43] Voice 6: not yeah i don't want to go into it but like if the conservancy had any sort of concern or

[0:57:50] Voice 6: anything over the last two or three years they couldn't really have known more about that just

[0:57:57] Voice 6: like it would have been the easiest thing in the world so i think it's a bit odd to put on us that

[0:58:03] Voice 6: we didn't consult and when we went out consulting they didn't come and say anything so if they

[0:58:09] thought that they were going to be able to help do something here what would have stopped them

[0:58:14] coming to us that's just strange very strange it just put on us now it just says we're about

[0:58:22] to build this oh he didn't consult with them he consulted with everybody and if they if you're

[0:58:29] trying to say that they could have helped and they may have been like not really sure what

[0:58:33] Voice 6: could have helped but if they could have they certainly knew that they could come to us

[0:58:38] Voice 18: yeah and this is a dilemma generally in government it's a it's a general dilemma that we have where

[0:58:45] Voice 18: everybody it's it's kind of like everyone takes the stance of like we do our engagement we open

[0:58:52] Voice 18: our door the trust is equally at fault in doing this okay so and what we really need to do

[0:58:59] Voice 18: is actually think about both sides of our responsibility yes we have to open our doors

[0:59:04] Voice 18: and listen to everyone and yes we have to actively reach out to organizations that obviously have a

[0:59:10] Voice 18: role and we have tried to do that with different things related to housing we've reached out to

[0:59:14] Voice 18: fire department reaching to via we've intentionally reached out to organizations that we think have

[0:59:20] Voice 18: some kind of stake in the game or represent community because everyone's busy and everyone's

[0:59:25] Voice 18: not always tracking the communication channels of what engagement looks like and yes you're

[0:59:29] Voice 18: probably true that many people have weighed in but I think I'm just saying that as a general rule

[0:59:33] Voice 18: with CRE and kind of mostly speaking to the commission too that like we should reach out

[0:59:39] Voice 18: organizationally very directly like to different things as we work on pieces and that's all I

[0:59:47] Voice 18: really have to say I think I'm done.

[0:59:50] Voice 16: One more thing I just found out like you didn't go from

[0:59:52] Voice 16: from the insurgency is that they were asked at some point

[0:59:55] Voice 16: in the planning of that trail

[0:59:57] Voice 16: and they expressed a concern about.

[1:00:00] Voice 16: three meters i didn't actually get that one and they got it reduced to two meters

[1:00:03] Voice 4: um

[1:00:04] Voice 16: anyway just

[1:00:07] Voice 16: i don't know about

[1:00:08] Voice 7: it but i don't know if that was it okay but again i mean

[1:00:12] Voice 7: so i

[1:00:17] Voice 18: would love to have it um just dating for planning purposes going forward and anything

[1:00:21] Voice 18: in the islands that all future trails like we actually reach out to the conservancy of

[1:00:25] Voice 18: on the islands as well

[1:00:30] Voice 10: okay any other questions all right well thank you very much we appreciate

[1:00:37] the information and uh hopefully

[1:00:38] Voice 9: you appreciate our information too so thank you thank

[1:00:43] Voice 18: you i'm

[1:00:44] Voice 18: glad there's a trail i actually am glad that there's a trail getting put in just to like

[1:00:48] Voice 18: be clear about that i'm all it's just yeah it seems very wide thank

[1:00:54] Voice 9: you okay so we'll move on

[1:00:56] Voice 9: to 13 correspondence can you run concern and see re environmental assessment yes

[1:01:02] Voice 18: trust

[1:01:03] Voice 9: yours um

[1:01:04] Voice 18: There was something that was asked here, oh I know what it was, it was an email related,

[1:01:14] Voice 18: oh this is the email, sorry I read it, about including a requirement, sorry what page are

[1:01:22] Voice 18: we on?

[1:01:22] Voice 9: We're on page 28 and 29.

[1:01:27] Voice 9: And

[1:01:27] Voice 10: it gives rules.

[1:01:28] Voice 18: Perfect, yeah.

[1:01:29] Voice 18: So just in this scope of work, and I know it went to Braden as well for the application,

[1:01:35] Voice 18: just that the ecological report there was a couple like pieces that they asked

[1:01:41] Voice 18: um for related to the ecological assessment and the ecological assessment

[1:01:46] Voice 18: um was asked for at our last meeting do we know brad where is that too it's

[1:01:53] Voice 5: been issued in terms

[1:01:54] Voice 5: of reference with the more or less a description of the uh requirements uh that's how we're

[1:02:00] Voice 5: describe my response to that. Okay, which I think is supposed

[1:02:05] Voice 5: to be. Yeah. So working on identifying and securing a QEP

[1:02:15] Voice 5: to the network.

[1:02:21] Voice 18: So the biggest concern that I like stuck in my head was about

[1:02:25] Voice 18: the timing of different like to do the inventory and the

[1:02:31] Voice 18: identification of intellectual assets at this time of year was

[1:02:35] Voice 18: problematic because some of those things weren't visible or like a ranch and i'm i know i'm not

[1:02:41] Voice 18: being very clear but is that covered in the pieces they got it doesn't seem right to me

[1:02:51] Voice 9: so page 31 our letter

[1:02:53] Voice 19: captures

[1:02:54] Voice 9: but where

[1:02:57] Voice 19: is the reach the response of that

[1:03:01] Voice 19: well

[1:03:01] Voice 9: his response is that's where we begin

[1:03:03] Voice 9: and it's just oh

[1:03:05] Voice 9: actually that's right okay yeah yeah

[1:03:09] Voice 9: so the conservancy um was just concerned

[1:03:14] Voice 9: about timing yes i

[1:03:16] Voice 9: think that was important they didn't really give a window for the appropriate

[1:03:19] Voice 9: time they said they're concerned about the winter months yeah

[1:03:23] Voice 3: but

[1:03:25] Voice 9: outside the meeting says

[1:03:26] Voice 9: saying but what is the breeding season so

[1:03:29] Voice 18: so my question was generally how are we managing

[1:03:33] Voice 18: the timing of the assessment. Do we need to delay everything so that the ecological assessment

[1:03:39] Voice 18: gets done in a timing that's being serviced?

[1:03:42] Voice 5: So we're moving into the spring but it's observable and I presume the timing will align with that.

[1:03:48] Voice 5: There is letter E in the proposed actions where they review and assess the concerns

[1:03:57] Voice 5: and obviously you have to choose a time to do it, there's different creatures out in all different times, different flowers out, different species out.

[1:04:09] Voice 5: I guess the QEP is expected to consider this. If they need to go back more than once to explore other species at risk or whatever,

[1:04:21] Voice 3: they will need to do that.

[1:04:22] Voice 3: So, okay.

[1:04:30] Voice 18: Okay. I guess my concern is that we'll see when the report comes in and if

[1:04:36] Voice 18: it's not sufficient, then in terms of being able to capture the concerns that the Conservancy

[1:04:42] Voice 18: raised, they will have to look at the report and see if it needs to be additional things

[1:04:47] Voice 18: need to be done to the report at the time, because we can't say one way or the other

[1:04:51] Voice 18: if they caught it or not right now. It's the issue. Okay. So we just need to flag that

[1:04:56] Voice 18: for our own okay thank you so we'll have a look at that when we get the report okay

[1:05:04] Voice 9: trustee

[1:05:04] Voice 13: campbell any comments or concerns i was just when i had read that letter i was curious

[1:05:09] Voice 13: um if when we had when we moved to public comment um and our public consultation

[1:05:20] Voice 13: is there i would assume that we're going to see all of the information coming forward

[1:05:26] Voice 13: uh before that happens and then is there after public consultation the ability to go back

[1:05:36] Voice 13: and address some of the concerns in something like this report that oh well like you don't

[1:05:44] Voice 13: we were outside of the the of there being sharp-tailed snakes around um and like is that

[1:05:53] Voice 13: that built into this process so that if the,

[1:05:56] Voice 13: if we find the report to be lacking,

[1:06:00] Voice 13: that we can go back and request more information from them

[1:06:03] Voice 13: was my only question.

[1:06:06] Voice 9: I don't know if that's clarified, but certainly yes.

[1:06:09] Voice 9: Through the chair.

[1:06:10] Voice 5: So yes, Trustee Campbell, you were at the last meeting,

[1:06:16] Voice 5: you directed the staff,

[1:06:18] Voice 5: or you directed to proceed with the application.

[1:06:20] Voice 5: You could have just stopped it altogether there.

[1:06:23] Voice 5: You directed to proceed with the application and for staff to issue a terms of reference,

[1:06:28] Voice 5: which we've done. Terms of reference captures him requiring to demonstrate water,

[1:06:36] Voice 5: the actions on page 29 for an ecological assessment, wastewater

[1:06:45] Voice 5: water and storm water management plan. There's one other actually. And so Braden is working on

[1:06:55] Voice 5: all of those items. He's actioning all of them as I understand it. We would bring that information

[1:07:04] Voice 5: potentially forward at your April meeting or whenever it's available from Braden.

[1:07:09] Voice 5: You haven't given directions to draft any bylaws yet. So you're a long ways from

[1:07:15] Voice 5: like a public consultation if you did drop

[1:07:18] Voice 5: bylaws we would send them out for referral to all the

[1:07:20] Voice 5: agencies first nations also the community would be able to do and a long

[1:07:27] Voice 6: story short yes you can

[1:07:28] Voice 5: direct the applicant to provide you any additional information that you feel that is outstanding

[1:07:33] Voice 5: to better inform you on the proposal at any time right yeah

[1:07:41] Voice 13: yeah i just

[1:07:41] Voice 13: i

[1:07:42] Voice 5: guess

[1:07:44] Voice 13: i was in in sort of in response to what deb was asking as as well was will we

[1:07:53] Voice 13: i guess be able to see that and know if it feels like it has all been captured

[1:07:59] Voice 13: early enough on in the process you know so that we don't we don't end up at the

[1:08:05] Voice 13: you know in the 11th hour going well shoot i wish i had have known this or that um

[1:08:12] Voice 13: like where yeah i'm just trying to understand this is the first one we have really long through the

[1:08:18] Voice 5: chair i would

[1:08:18] Voice 13: say it's a

[1:08:19] Voice 5: balance of us trying to get as much up front as we can through issuing

[1:08:22] Voice 5: the terms of reference and so we've done uh we've made efforts to identify those key uh questions

[1:08:30] Voice 5: and potential concerns uh other potential concerns and questions inevitably arise and it's also

[1:08:38] Voice 5: So an iterative process going forward where sometimes these processes take years to ensure that proper information is collected to make your decisions.

[1:08:52] Voice 13: Is that helpful?

[1:08:53] Voice 13: Yeah. No, thank you. That's what I was hoping.

[1:08:56] Voice 13: And related

[1:08:58] Voice 18: to this, so the terms of reference, just for clarity in here, thanks for that.

[1:09:02] Voice 18: I see the E now. I was just not tracking the documents here.

[1:09:06] Voice 18: So the E on the, what's being referenced here on the terms of reference says review of assessment of the, so an equal ethical assessment report that includes at a minimum, E, review of an assessment of the concerns expressed in the letter from the Pendergast Island Conservancy.

[1:09:21] Voice 18: So it's in there as part of the terms of reference.

[1:09:23] Voice 3: Correct.

[1:09:24] Voice 3: So thank you for that.

[1:09:29] Voice 3: All right.

[1:09:32] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:09:32] Voice 9: So moving on.

[1:09:34] We have opticians referrals.

[1:09:35] We have 14.1. Oh, I hate these

[1:09:39] Voice 9: things. PLDBP20240301. And I'm going to butcher this.

[1:09:46] Voice 9: Stacism. Staff report attached.

[1:09:50] Voice 9: Sorry.

[1:09:52] Voice 9: For page 32.

[1:09:53] Voice 9: to.

[1:09:54] Voice 5: So this is for a development variance permit to allow for a secondary suite that is slightly

[1:10:01] Voice 5: large than the maximum allowable floor area. It is less than the maximum allowable area but exceeds

[1:10:09] Voice 5: your 40% provision where you have a bylaw provision that says maximum 40% of the floor

[1:10:15] Voice 5: area principal billing can be part of your secondary suite. They are seeking a variance

[1:10:23] Voice 5: to 41.5% of the floor area. In this case, it's a small house. It has a top and a bottom that are

[1:10:31] Voice 5: their exact same size, and it's practical to build a connection any other way other than

[1:10:37] Voice 5: this approach. It's very little impact on community or neighbors, and staff are recommending that you

[1:10:44] Voice 5: approve the permit as presented. And the applicant is here in the audience with any questions or

[1:10:51] Voice 5: comments so yeah i

[1:10:52] Voice 8: just want to say it's a new build we just got out this past september uh

[1:10:57] Voice 8: everything's to code fire rated da da da chris watson's been in there i don't know how many

[1:11:03] Voice 8: times he knows it's there he knows what's been done fire blocking or et cetera et cetera um

[1:11:10] Voice 8: i have a full-time renter lined up ocean view anyway so uh the goal was to make it a full-time

[1:11:19] Voice 8: rental us we were pursuing so you

[1:11:23] Voice 17: guys apply for the grant program

[1:11:26] Voice 8: after this step yeah we'll see

[1:11:29] Voice 8: chris what if the proof goes through him that is the grant program okay

[1:11:32] Voice 18: if you apply for the grant

[1:11:33] Voice 18: program i totally want you to write a drift article or something on that because it's we

[1:11:37] Voice 18: really want people to know about that grant program for secondary suites and this is a great

[1:11:42] Voice 18: example of how to do a secondary suite like i get the 40 percent 40 percent it's great that it's

[1:11:48] Voice 18: small building from

[1:11:49] Voice 8: day one when you're building a house yeah no plan of any access from the main

[1:11:55] Voice 8: floor a couple changes i have to make i guess with it being a legal suite has to have a man

[1:12:01] Voice 8: door i have a sliding patio door that'll change in the spring or whatever the weather gets nicer

[1:12:07] Voice 8: but uh uh that being said again uh it's full we did all icf and yeah it's all worth all the code

[1:12:18] Voice 8: and done all the way we should want to see it funny enough uh the whole grant program yeah

[1:12:26] Voice 8: i was so surprised without i mean i've talked to brad since we started building on the real

[1:12:32] Voice 8: sewer connection you know uh so many people are unaware i know

[1:12:37] Voice 8: of the step or the process to go

[1:12:39] Voice 8: through it actually quite honestly it's watson now is going to pursue developing its basement

[1:12:45] Voice 8: for a second there's three because i have plenty of know uh the process you've got to go through

[1:12:51] Voice 8: and then once he approves the building permit then we can go for the grant and we can like

[1:12:57] Voice 8: huffing and puffing because there's only so much allowed per year i know per area and

[1:13:01] Voice 8: knock on wood a lot of okay aaron campbell thanks for his help too yeah because uh he informed me

[1:13:08] Voice 8: yeah a couple meetings back that he enters part of the program yeah

[1:13:13] Voice 18: because it never

[1:13:14] Voice 18: we just found out about that yeah and

[1:13:16] Voice 8: uh so god i don't know i think we're the first one

[1:13:19] Voice 8: to catch wind of it anyway for lack of better words and we try to get on board as soon as we

[1:13:25] Voice 8: can and well we're happy to tell everybody about it yeah

[1:13:29] Voice 18: that's great yeah we i think it was justine

[1:13:32] Voice 18: or somebody in that housing i mean it was

[1:13:34] Voice 8: justine yeah

[1:13:36] Voice 18: so but it's great program and like we were

[1:13:38] Voice 18: like whoa and

[1:13:39] Voice 8: it's needed here yeah i mean

[1:13:40] Voice 8: everybody agrees right uh i think even brad

[1:13:44] Voice 8: and aaron both expressed even if it was a little more than that a little bit above whatever square

[1:13:48] Voice 8: footage not a problem

[1:13:49] Voice 8: not a problem it's built right it's done right it's needed right so uh

[1:13:54] Voice 8: and we're in magic lake and we're on the small water of the sewer so it's not a

[1:13:59] Voice 8: big encompass to get another sister or folks and all this stuff for you know

[1:14:04] Voice 8: no

[1:14:04] Voice 18: this is the better like this is a great move for handling our housing issue we hope more people

[1:14:10] Voice 18: did this oh

[1:14:10] Voice 8: it's been great to work with you

[1:14:13] Voice 18: yeah really great thank you all for that yeah

[1:14:18] Voice 9: trustee campbell anything other than

[1:14:20] Voice 13: smiles no i just i was i was i was laughing because when nick

[1:14:25] Voice 13: was voting me for uh passing on information in the middle of a meeting i know it's frowned upon that

[1:14:31] Voice 13: we are on our phones um but when we were in the community information meeting and justine was

[1:14:38] Voice 13: giving the um the talk about the housing and the grant i actually was snapping pictures with my

[1:14:44] Voice 13: phone and sending

[1:14:46] Voice 8: them sending them the next thing

[1:14:48] Voice 13: dude you gotta get you gotta get get a hold of

[1:14:52] Voice 13: this lady this is where you this is who you need

[1:14:54] Voice 13: to because i know that the crd is also very positive

[1:14:58] Voice 13: about pushing things like this forward um and it is almost like a bit of a case study in

[1:15:05] Voice 13: it you know as it goes forward so i'm super stoked that they've uh that they've managed to

[1:15:11] Voice 13: get it to this point and i've seen the suite it's you know beautifully done and and a ton of thought

[1:15:17] Voice 13: put into uh the comfort of the tenants uh that'll be living in there as well with the soundproofing

[1:15:23] Voice 13: that they've done so it's uh yeah i think it's a super positive for uh for north pender yeah i'd

[1:15:31] Voice 18: love to come take it we're gonna go

[1:15:32] Voice 8: anytime yeah by all means i gotta apologize to aaron because

[1:15:35] Voice 8: he was like you know there's a process that he sent me all the photos screenshots of what was

[1:15:41] Voice 8: going on so if you want to combine them so the next meeting you could say hey i was there

[1:15:46] Voice 8: about whatever i saw it and sure enough it came out just a day before 11. uh but uh it came out

[1:15:54] Voice 8: yeah this

[1:16:07] Voice 18: is the kind of development permit variance that is like totally in line with

[1:16:11] Voice 18: all of our supports so yeah all right shall we shall

[1:16:16] Voice 3: we yeah do it up yeah

[1:16:18] Voice 18: the north pender

[1:16:19] Voice 18: island local trust committee approved issuance of pldvp 2024-03-01 stinking down

[1:16:29] Voice 19: how do

[1:16:30] Voice 18: you say your last name

[1:16:32] Voice 19: Oh, no.

[1:16:33] Voice 19: Statistician.

[1:16:36] Voice 18: Statistician.

[1:16:37] Voice 9: Second, trustee Hansel.

[1:16:39] Voice 9: All right.

[1:16:41] Voice 9: Good discussion.

[1:16:42] Voice 9: All in favor?

[1:16:45] Voice 9: You're on your way, Nick.

[1:16:47] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:16:50] Voice 18: And if you leave me your number,

[1:16:52] Voice 18: I'll give you a call because I'm around

[1:16:54] Voice 18: and I'd love to comment.

[1:16:56] Voice 18: Are you in the book?

[1:16:57] Voice 9: No, we're not.

[1:16:58] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:17:00] Voice 18: Can we take a few minute pause?

[1:17:02] Voice 9: Yeah, let's take a five-minute break.

[1:17:04] Voice 9: Five-minute break.

[1:17:08] Voice 9: Of

[1:24:02] Voice 3: course, right?

[1:24:04] Voice 3: So, there's going to be...

[1:24:06] Voice 10: Okay, so we're back.

[1:24:11] Voice 10: So, interesting.

[1:24:16] Voice 9: Okay, no, so we're at 14.2.

[1:24:19] Voice 9: So, this is the...

[1:24:21] Voice 9: Yeah, so we're at 14.2.

[1:24:24] Voice 9: also behind a local trust committee proposed file under five four one where they are allowing

[1:24:30] Voice 9: somebody to have a rental property

[1:24:36] Voice 10: so i think it's very straightforward

[1:24:41] Voice 9: i think matt needs to

[1:24:42] Voice 9: go through it it is it's a different role um it's for secondary use yeah oh

[1:24:52] Voice 18: it's full-time

[1:24:53] Voice 18: rental project versus yeah yeah okay

[1:24:56] Voice 9: so um interesting um but it is before us so our

[1:25:06] Voice 9: interests on lord tend to be affected by this dramatic plan of salt spring to allow somebody

[1:25:12] Voice 9: to have a cottage i

[1:25:15] Voice 3: know i interest affected yeah so

[1:25:18] Voice 9: we need a motion just to that effect

[1:25:24] Voice 13: I had one question about it I was wondering what do they not allow rental cottages on

[1:25:34] Voice 13: Salt Spring is that not in there

[1:25:36] Voice 13: seasonal I just wasn't

[1:25:40] Voice 19: I didn't oh

[1:25:41] Voice 13: okay I was when I read it I

[1:25:44] Voice 13: didn't really see any explanation as to why it was coming to us and I was curious I mean I just

[1:25:51] Voice 13: applied what in in my head what we would think on a lot and somebody wants to put a cottage in if it

[1:25:58] Voice 13: fits the size then used as rental then be fine it

[1:26:05] Voice 18: did actually make me ask a question that i was

[1:26:07] Voice 18: not sure about um are our cottages seasonal or ours full-time okay so it's just a slight

[1:26:16] Voice 18: different in their bylaw it's their bylaw is seasonal just

[1:26:20] Voice 13: seemed to me like something they

[1:26:23] Voice 13: would have addressed a long time ago with the housing crisis that they've got to have year-round

[1:26:30] Voice 13: cottages for rental but yeah

[1:26:33] Voice 18: but they tried to do it in a bylaw revision i think and i can't

[1:26:36] Voice 18: remember what number that was but they tried to do it in a more sweeping bylaw revision and they

[1:26:41] Voice 18: got pushed back um in a couple different directions because it increased the density

[1:26:45] Voice 18: the overall density.

[1:26:47] Voice 18: Interestingly enough, seasonal cottages

[1:26:50] Voice 18: generally are occupied in the summer

[1:26:52] Voice 18: when we have the most water challenges.

[1:26:54] Voice 18: So it doesn't necessarily reduce density problems

[1:26:58] Voice 18: at complicated times of year.

[1:27:00] Voice 18: But I think, and I don't know if salt spring island planners

[1:27:04] Voice 18: are gonna know better than me,

[1:27:05] Voice 18: but my understanding from conversations with Laura

[1:27:08] Voice 18: over at Salt Spring was that there was pushback related

[1:27:11] Voice 18: to the overall density increase that would have been caused

[1:27:15] Voice 18: by switching from seasonal to full-time but

[1:27:18] Voice 13: there

[1:27:20] Voice 18: is also a standing order that says don't enforce

[1:27:22] Voice 18: on seasonal product is being filled full-time so it's like they're doing a sort of half fix right

[1:27:27] Voice 18: now

[1:27:28] Voice 9: right okay all right so motion um

[1:27:33] Voice 18: i

[1:27:34] Voice 7: think we just interest

[1:27:35] Voice 18: on effects yeah interest unaffected

[1:27:39] Voice 18: yes

[1:27:39] Voice 9: yeah second second question all my favor we're out of fact excellent all righty so moving on

[1:27:50] Voice 9: we have uh trust me projects housing access and affordability project with a staff memo

[1:27:57] Voice 9: attached on page 53 to

[1:28:04] Voice 5: me over to you so this is a staff memo just bringing you an update over

[1:28:10] Voice 5: where you are with your housing project.

[1:28:12] Voice 5: You could provide some direction on both actions

[1:28:16] Voice 5: of the draft housing plan.

[1:28:18] Voice 5: You've already given direction to staff

[1:28:21] Voice 5: to draft an action plan.

[1:28:23] Voice 5: And so now, working with your ABC, who

[1:28:25] Voice 5: continues to be really diligent, they've

[1:28:28] Voice 5: submitted a second addendum report

[1:28:30] Voice 5: where they summarize their initial recommendations

[1:28:33] Voice 5: into a more prior action list.

[1:28:35] Voice 5: list. Using that list and the survey results, staff intuition, I've drafted a list of proposed

[1:28:45] Voice 5: actions that we would then move into action plan template, bring it back to the April

[1:28:51] Voice 5: meeting as would be the plan April 4th for you to receive that draft plan presented at

[1:28:57] Voice 5: the April 12th CIM and then you're maybe good to approve that action plan and that would initiate

[1:29:09] Voice 5: your work over the next fiscal and probably extending perhaps to the next fiscal beyond

[1:29:18] Voice 5: that for some of these items on actions so the the goals that we propose are updating them and

[1:29:27] Voice 5: using available data with the suitable finishing the suitable land analysis and completing island

[1:29:33] Voice 5: wide build on analysis diversifying housing options through a number of zoning amendments

[1:29:38] Voice 5: you could consider increasing opportunities for non-profit housing and education outreach

[1:29:44] Voice 5: i would also point to the top of page 54 that there is a

[1:29:51] Voice 5: resolution that you should consider passing if you want to extend your

[1:29:56] Voice 5: a special advisory planning commission for my second term.

[1:30:00] Voice 5: it much first and if you do so then in camera today you would consider the members to that

[1:30:05] Voice 5: committee leave it there and pass it back to you chair good questions

[1:30:09] Voice 9: trustees questions comments

[1:30:12] Voice 9: concerns i

[1:30:15] Voice 13: think it's pretty incredible the amount of work that has been done on this and

[1:30:19] Voice 13: recommendations that have come out of it um some surprised me um and uh uh yeah i think it's it's

[1:30:30] Voice 13: incredible and i definitely think that we should ask uh anyone willing to to uh stick around for

[1:30:38] Voice 13: another year um because i think that it's one of the more positive things that i have witnessed

[1:30:46] Voice 13: with folks on the island getting together to really try to put some direction into

[1:30:54] Voice 13: one of the challenges that's uh that's affecting us so i think it's great

[1:31:00] Voice 13: I

[1:31:02] Voice 18: had two questions that I kind of wanted to follow up with the APCA. I haven't really seen the rationale for it as clearly anywhere. And I know that these are the ones that have been contentious historically in the community, and they were under the goal to under exploring opportunities for the multi-unit development around the Driftwood, for example.

[1:31:22] Voice 18: like if and so I guess the question that I had there was and that's probably part of just the

[1:31:29] Voice 18: exploring opportunities was how do we remedy areas where there's potentially water challenges

[1:31:35] Voice 18: like is that something that we could

[1:31:37] Voice 5: apply the land suitability analysis would be a key

[1:31:40] Voice 5: yeah deliverable at the start of the project and it's being worked on I think it's just being held

[1:31:45] Voice 5: up because we were in the GIS so it's more held up just through process steps and so

[1:31:52] Voice 5: once that suitability analysis is in hand you can use it to then better inform you in particular with

[1:31:57] Voice 5: water it was obviously a key and all there's no one some known water concerns in that area

[1:32:04] Voice 5: so yeah but

[1:32:06] Voice 18: i think the other thing that i would love to be considered there that's not necessarily

[1:32:10] Voice 18: a no-go from my perspective if we could have like via seems like we have a better working

[1:32:15] Voice 18: relationship in some ways with vha to think about multifamily residential and i know that there's

[1:32:21] Voice 18: complexities i've explored those but that would be interesting to think about like what's what

[1:32:25] Voice 18: possibilities exist so

[1:32:27] Voice 5: like you like

[1:32:28] Voice 18: water hopefully

[1:32:29] Voice 5: it would be a little bit more forward

[1:32:32] Voice 5: looking optimistic process but just like you spent all that time on your land use bylaw review

[1:32:36] Voice 5: on every item yeah

[1:32:38] Voice 7: take quite a bit of

[1:32:39] Voice 5: time digging down into it that would be what's

[1:32:42] Voice 5: happened here abc and how you would be doing for the year 18 months of implementation

[1:32:47] Voice 5: invitation maybe there's no opportunities but then

[1:32:51] Voice 5: at least you demonstrated that you've done

[1:32:53] Voice 5: that due diligence too okay yeah

[1:32:56] Voice 18: it does make sense to think about it so okay and then the

[1:32:59] Voice 18: rvs one i know that there's been some challenges around that that was like um but you know rvs the

[1:33:06] Voice 18: word rv is shifting a little bit too because i know there's different codes applied to rvs

[1:33:12] Voice 18: This

[1:33:12] Voice 5: would refer to the one that has a CSA.

[1:33:16] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:33:16] Voice 18: that was my understanding. Yeah. Okay.

[1:33:18] Voice 5: And the tiny homes I think would differentiate. They wouldn't always be like an RV.

[1:33:24] Voice 5: Right. Some could

[1:33:26] Voice 5: be on a foundation.

[1:33:27] Voice 5: On a foundation or more akin to like, you know, the home jobs you see on the television.

[1:33:34] Voice 5: Tying

[1:33:35] Voice 19: things up in a tree.

[1:33:36] Voice 19: Yeah.

[1:33:37] Voice 19: If

[1:33:38] Voice 9: you try to trust TI, she's really going to have fun with this stuff.

[1:33:46] Voice 9: There's a growing definition of tiny home on wheels, tiny home off wheels, and all that stuff.

[1:33:50] Voice 9: Eric, go ahead.

[1:33:51] Voice 13: Oh, just in agreeance with Deb, the RV one surprised me when I read it.

[1:33:59] Voice 13: I was just like, oh, really?

[1:34:00] Voice 13: really like okay you know it just because there it it has been it is one of those island sort of

[1:34:07] Voice 13: contentious issues um where you know some people are very much against folks living in rvs on

[1:34:16] Voice 13: on property and and uh but we're also kind of in a situation with your back against the wall in

[1:34:24] Voice 13: some cases trying to figure out how to how to staff some of these positions on our island

[1:34:33] Voice 13: in in the infrastructure that's needed to keep the grocery store open or the gas station open or

[1:34:37] Voice 13: wherever it is and what options are available to people so yeah i was i was surprised by it but

[1:34:44] Voice 13: i can i can kind of understand it at the same time sure

[1:34:50] Voice 5: for the chair uh your apc

[1:34:54] Voice 5: I think is of the view that it's happening already as you know

[1:34:58] Voice 5: and so at least getting out in front and having

[1:35:01] Voice 5: some protection around the requirement for water

[1:35:06] Voice 5: supply and septic and your fire chief is now on the

[1:35:10] Voice 5: ABC and that's where fire safety has come into the discussion

[1:35:14] Voice 5: as well and so to create at least some

[1:35:18] Voice 5: standards around it would make it easier for

[1:35:22] Voice 5: violent enforcement and also hopefully just may lead to to safer decisions for for at least a

[1:35:29] Voice 5: segment of the society certain segments just going to do what they're going to do regardless but yeah

[1:35:35] Voice 18: well it's interesting thank you this is really helpful to see all of this is great so thank

[1:35:41] Voice 18: you for this your

[1:35:42] Voice 9: apc continues to be really good yeah so

[1:35:45] Voice 9: about 54 there's a suggest motion

[1:35:48] Voice 18: uh the north manor island local trust committee requests that the special advisory planning

[1:35:52] Voice 18: any question on housing be extended to the second one-year term starting on march 1st

[1:35:55] Voice 18: second

[1:35:56] Voice 9: trustee campbell any discussion on that all right call the question all in favor and that

[1:36:05] Voice 9: carries in

[1:36:07] Voice 5: camera today you have the opportunity to decide all right so

[1:36:14] Voice 9: moving around there's

[1:36:16] Voice 9: stepping on this topic um we have raptor sdpa project page 62 on the agenda

[1:36:22] Voice 9: i guess over to you again thank

[1:36:25] Voice 5: you chair so again a staff update on your uh project

[1:36:32] Voice 5: lots of work continues to go on

[1:36:34] Voice 12: your referral for

[1:36:36] Voice 5: your drop byline is out there we're getting

[1:36:37] Voice 5: some responses back mostly in support and the honest trust conservancy has provided some

[1:36:46] Voice 5: So useful additional considerations that staff would consider and bring back to the LTC as other potential amendments to the by-law.

[1:36:57] Voice 5: At the last meeting, you mused right at the end around potentially sending out another letter to property owners that could include.

[1:37:06] Voice 5: Right now, we've only sent it to 43 property owners where an actual tree exists on the parcel.

[1:37:13] Voice 5: parcel. There are options on the top of page 63. If you want to do another mail load, you

[1:37:21] Voice 5: could decide to do just within the core area where all year round the buffer applies or

[1:37:28] Voice 5: you could broaden it to include the entire buffer, seasonal buffer only. 159 letters

[1:37:38] Voice 5: approximately for some duplicate. Approximately 159 letters would need to

[1:37:47] Voice 5: be sent to just those core area. 361 would need to be sent to all properties.

[1:37:55] Voice 5: It's from my perspective. Those buffers are seasonal and how many DP Raptor DPs

[1:38:02] Voice 5: have you actually issued over the years? Only a handful. So that's a lot of

[1:38:08] Voice 5: consultation if you're sending out 361 letters but really it's ultimately up to the LTC. If you do

[1:38:15] Voice 5: send it out to all at least you can say you've ever seen it. If you do do that, below that

[1:38:24] Voice 5: Dan Baxter who did the original study, really supportive even though out of contract and

[1:38:30] Voice 5: continuing to support staff with particular questions around properties. So staff are

[1:38:35] Voice 5: recommending if you send out another letter that you investigate the feasibility of getting him

[1:38:42] Voice 5: back on contract to help support that work if needed. Finally I just forwarded you an email

[1:38:47] Voice 5: this morning from Dave Manning who has some corrections and updates to the map. I think

[1:38:54] Voice 5: this last windstorm affected the number of the nests as well and the number of the trees.

[1:38:59] Voice 5: So he's going to be working or is working with Dan right now. So if you do send a letter we would

[1:39:04] Voice 5: hopefully get that updated

[1:39:06] Voice 5: version first

[1:39:08] Voice 5: you also just have one

[1:39:16] Voice 5: last

[1:39:19] Voice 5: resolution to consider

[1:39:21] Voice 5: on the last page

[1:39:23] Voice 5: for funding for next fiscal

[1:39:25] Voice 5: put forward to the planning director

[1:39:27] Voice 5: can

[1:39:28] Voice 18: I get a clarification

[1:39:29] Voice 18: if we do send to the

[1:39:31] Voice 18: all group

[1:39:33] Voice 18: which I'm kind of leaning toward

[1:39:34] Voice 18: just from an education perspective

[1:39:36] Voice 18: effective, not necessarily why it's just it's helpful for people to know that it's out there.

[1:39:42] Voice 18: Then is that do we need to increase the amount that would be asked for next year? Or is that

[1:39:47] Voice 18: that

[1:39:47] Voice 5: would be done in this fiscal with just your and we have that? Yeah,

[1:39:52] Voice 5: okay. Okay, look,

[1:39:53] Voice 5: you're going your general budgets. Yeah,

[1:39:56] Voice 18: we generally don't overspend. We're usually under

[1:39:58] Voice 18: spending on ours because I never received for anything. So okay. So Aaron, I would love

[1:40:05] Voice 18: to i don't know if your thoughts are on that but i would love to send it to like the maximum number

[1:40:10] Voice 18: of folks that were just discussed yeah

[1:40:13] Voice 13: no i feel exactly the same way i think just from a

[1:40:16] Voice 13: from a sort of a clarity and transparency standpoint with everyone we've had a fair

[1:40:24] Voice 13: amount of feedback uh from people being concerned and i think some of the concerns are that they

[1:40:30] Voice 13: don't understand exactly what the seasonality of some of these things are and and i think if

[1:40:38] Voice 13: we can have we've put the money into doing this project and i think we need to finish it with the

[1:40:48] Voice 13: communication so yeah

[1:40:50] Voice 18: i agree so okay so then um brad if i'm correct then it would be this motion

[1:40:56] Voice 18: that's on the top of page 62 or sorry 63 that says including okay so i can go ahead and do that if you

[1:41:06] Voice 18: want okay so then the north hundred local trust committee directs staff to send a mail out to all

[1:41:12] Voice 18: property owners with parcels that contain at least a portion of the parcel proposed to be located

[1:41:17] Voice 18: within newly updated development area seven including those parcels only affected by seasonal

[1:41:23] Voice 18: no operating areas.

[1:41:25] Voice 9: So second, Justin Campbell. Yeah. Oh, one

[1:41:29] Voice 9: question I would have is, is, is this has this been circulated

[1:41:34] Voice 9: to CRD? Yes.

[1:41:37] Voice 9: With the trails?

[1:41:39] Voice 5: With regard? Well, it's been circulated to the CRD, and it

[1:41:43] Voice 5: would be to all the departments.

[1:41:46] Voice 9: Because it because, including

[1:41:48] Voice 5: the commission because

[1:41:50] Voice 9: it just because the comment from the commission was that there was only one

[1:41:57] Voice 9: polygon affected and my recollection was of that rooting of that trail there were there was more

[1:42:03] Voice 9: than one polygon it was

[1:42:03] Voice 16: two originally but i think one was it's been removed yeah

[1:42:07] Voice 5: we're talking about

[1:42:09] Voice 5: four one eight five there were two no but i've not noticed the scope of the trails okay

[1:42:17] Voice 9: okay yeah all right so move seconded all the question all in favor that carries so we have

[1:42:23] Voice 9: the second motion so

[1:42:25] Voice 18: then this is the services one okay and i agree that we should be expanding that

[1:42:33] Voice 18: so the north pender island local trust committee request staff to investigate the feasibility of

[1:42:39] Voice 18: of awarding a service contract to Canada Nest Environmental Consulting

[1:42:44] Voice 18: to provide additional support to staff for property owner inquiries

[1:42:48] Voice 18: regarding specific nesting tree locations and features

[1:42:51] Voice 18: in respect of Raptor's Nest EPA review project.

[1:42:54] Voice 9: Second, Trustee Campbell?

[1:42:56] Voice 9: Yep.

[1:42:57] Voice 9: Second.

[1:42:58] Voice 9: Any further discussion?

[1:42:59] Voice 18: I just have one question about that.

[1:43:01] Voice 18: So I know that, and you just said it as well,

[1:43:04] Voice 18: that I have a problem with names right now.

[1:43:08] Voice 18: Not Rob.

[1:43:09] Voice 18: Who's the other person?

[1:43:10] Voice 18: who's been involved in the mapping um

[1:43:14] Voice 3: who's

[1:43:16] Voice 18: the other dave dave um yeah

[1:43:19] Voice 18: um is dave services being

[1:43:22] Voice 18: i know he's not

[1:43:23] Voice 5: it's just about okay it's

[1:43:25] Voice 5: happening okay

[1:43:27] Voice 18: i feel like there might be

[1:43:28] Voice 18: it's

[1:43:29] Voice 5: just a passion for him

[1:43:30] Voice 18: yeah i i understand that i think there should be

[1:43:35] Voice 18: yeah okay you might need to be a community i'm going to take for that so thank you for that

[1:43:40] Voice 18: service to you um okay um all right so

[1:43:45] Voice 9: call question on favor that carries and then there

[1:43:50] Voice 9: was a third one on page 64.

[1:43:53] Voice 18: yeah so that's just to ask for the additional funding that we need

[1:43:56] Voice 18: for consultation and the public hearing that's advertising right the two thousand dollars for

[1:44:02] Voice 18: public hearing

[1:44:02] Voice 5: correct that would be for advertising the public hearing ranking of the

[1:44:06] Voice 5: all instead of sending out the notices. In this case, because so many properties are affected,

[1:44:14] Voice 5: you wouldn't actually need to send out notices. So in a way it rationalizes sending out letters

[1:44:21] Voice 5: to the property

[1:44:22] Voice 3: beforehand.

[1:44:24] Voice 5: Whereas if it's less than 10 properties being affected, the legislation

[1:44:29] Voice 5: actually requires that 100 years of each property receive notification in a case where like

[1:44:37] Voice 5: it doesn't there's 300. Yeah, probably

[1:44:40] Voice 5: 30 or 60 properties above tier. So you wouldn't

[1:44:43] Voice 5: be required to notify in that way. When getting to Okay, then given this is an OCP change,

[1:44:52] Voice 5: you would be required. But

[1:44:57] Voice 18: the public hearing may be part of one of our regular meetings.

[1:45:00] Voice 5: It would be up to you to decide, that's a long ways away of course, but it would make

[1:45:04] Voice 5: more sense probably to just fold it as part of your, sometimes you have a community information

[1:45:09] Voice 5: prior to that, we've had a few already, but typically you have a CIM end of the curing,

[1:45:16] Voice 5: either one after the other or you have your CIM six weeks later, something big, in this

[1:45:23] Voice 5: case I think we just do it as part of a regular meeting.

[1:45:26] Voice 5: i

[1:45:26] Voice 18: guess the question i have is we have an april cim if i remember correctly yeah and this might

[1:45:33] Voice 18: be the right timing for us to have a dpa conversation at that i think as well i think

[1:45:39] Voice 5: we would bring back well on april 4th you could consider first reading uh you could bring back

[1:45:46] Voice 5: uh i think staff would present again at that meeting an update and updated mapping it would

[1:45:53] Voice 5: be another opportunity for this new round of property owners that have been informed to attend

[1:45:58] Voice 5: and provide input or ask questions okay

[1:46:02] Voice 18: well i guess i'm good to go ahead and ask for the

[1:46:05] Voice 18: budgetary money because it's better to have it in there than not have it in there i'm just you'll

[1:46:08] Voice 5: need it for for your public hearing if nothing else okay

[1:46:12] Voice 3: all

[1:46:14] Voice 18: right the north pander island local

[1:46:16] Voice 18: trust committee requested staff amend the raptor's nest dpa review project charter to add a budget

[1:46:21] Voice 18: line item for the 2025-26 fiscal year in the amount of five thousand dollars for additional

[1:46:26] Voice 18: additional consultation holding of a public hearing

[1:46:30] Voice 18: any further

[1:46:31] Voice 10: discussion all right call the question on the favorite

[1:46:40] Voice 10: black periods forward for

[1:46:44] Voice 9: that all right so is that it with that project yes all right

[1:46:53] Voice 10: Okay,

[1:46:54] Voice 9: so we move down to 16.1 on page 65, after projects report, future projects report.

[1:47:02] Voice 9: Anything to highlight?

[1:47:03] Voice 9: Any questions?

[1:47:05] Voice 18: The number two for the future projects, the Raptor's Nest, that's redone, because we're

[1:47:12] Voice 18: updating that.

[1:47:15] Voice 7: I won't link.

[1:47:16] Voice 3: I can fix that.

[1:47:17] Voice 3: So

[1:47:18] Voice 18: we can remove that one.

[1:47:19] Voice 3: Just an oversight.

[1:47:20] Voice 3: sites and

[1:47:21] Voice 18: I think three as well right that's really we're dealing with that in our housing

[1:47:28] Voice 5: so that would be happening yeah yeah I mean we do capture the minor project it just wasn't removed

[1:47:33] Voice 5: off for raptors and then what was your question I'm

[1:47:35] Voice 18: wondering about three and four if those are

[1:47:37] Voice 18: things that are actually in our housing yeah

[1:47:40] Voice 5: I think you could consider them being done as well

[1:47:43] Voice 5: I could just remove all three of them that's yeah

[1:47:46] Voice 18: I think that would be helpful I

[1:47:48] Voice 5: don't think you

[1:47:50] Voice 5: Well, the raptor nest one, obviously,

[1:47:52] Voice 18: is just an

[1:47:53] Voice 5: error, but you should probably direct us

[1:47:55] Voice 5: to remove three and four.

[1:47:59] Voice 5: I've seen nine's a little different.

[1:48:01] Voice 19: Nine's a little different.

[1:48:02] Voice 19: Yeah, now that I look at it,

[1:48:03] Voice 5: it's a little different.

[1:48:03] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:48:04] Voice 5: I would say raptor nest number two should just be removed because you're doing it.

[1:48:09] Voice 5: Number three, maybe four.

[1:48:13] Voice 5: Yeah, we're doing three.

[1:48:16] Voice 5: Probably just direct sculpture.

[1:48:19] Voice 18: Okay.

[1:48:19] Voice 18: Okay. Because four is really, are we doing this?

[1:48:23] Voice 5: It's within the housing project, but it's not a housing project.

[1:48:26] Voice 18: Yeah. Okay. So...

[1:48:28] Voice 18: Whereas

[1:48:28] Voice 5: two and three were actually just moved up.

[1:48:33] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:48:33] Voice 18: Okay. Okay. So I move that we direct staff to remove item number four,

[1:48:42] Voice 18: accessory dwelling units, opposite future projects report.

[1:48:45] Voice 10: Okay. Secretary Campbell.

[1:48:53] Voice 13: Sorry,

[1:48:54] Voice 18: I'm on page 66 of the report.

[1:48:57] Voice 13: I've got that, but are we removing 2, 3, and 4?

[1:49:01] Voice 18: Well, I think he was

[1:49:02] Voice 18: saying that 2 and 3 are already up, and so that's just a technical issue.

[1:49:06] Voice 13: It should have been just the same direction.

[1:49:09] Voice 6: Okay,

[1:49:09] Voice 7: okay. So we're moving forward.

[1:49:12] Voice 7: yeah yeah and

[1:49:14] Voice 18: maybe if i can include in that motion um as it's already being considered as

[1:49:18] Voice 18: part of the housing project that would be helpful for communication with community yeah okay all

[1:49:26] Voice 9: right okay so second by trustee campbell yeah any discussion call question on the favor and i know

[1:49:34] Voice 18: we're going a little bit quickly um did the recorder get that just that in that motion if

[1:49:38] Voice 18: we can include that rationale that we're removing it because it's included as part of our housing

[1:49:45] Voice 10: So Lisa you've got that. I

[1:49:47] Voice 4: did get that. Thank you chairman.

[1:49:49] Voice 9: Thank you very much.

[1:49:52] Voice 9: All right, anything else on the Act on Future Projects?

[1:49:54] Voice 18: No, and we already discussed the

[1:49:56] Voice 18: issue of STBRs that came up earlier that's already in the housing conversation. It's

[1:50:01] Voice 18: not that big. And the fire inspection, we have talked about that, but I feel like that'll

[1:50:06] Voice 18: just percolate too. We'll leave that there for now. Okay, yep.

[1:50:11] Voice 9: Okay, so we move on to

[1:50:13] Voice 9: page 68 applications report for your information any questions or um then we have trustee and local

[1:50:21] Voice 9: expense report for your information don't apologize go ahead one

[1:50:26] Voice 7: question about the

[1:50:27] Voice 7: development

[1:50:27] Voice 9: you're here we can't you gotta yell at us because we can't hear you don't want to

[1:50:33] Voice 13: yell at anybody um thank

[1:50:35] Voice 18: you there

[1:50:37] Voice 13: we go yeah sorry uh i just was curious i don't feel like

[1:50:42] Voice 13: i've ever seen this development permit for a subdivision oh wait wait hold on am i looking

[1:50:50] Voice 13: at the right one hold up when i was reading through it was on clam bay road yeah there's a

[1:51:12] Voice 13: in the there's a subdivision waiting on conditions that was started was it was sent in in 2023

[1:51:26] Voice 13: 23 this

[1:51:27] Voice 9: is top of page 71 yeah

[1:51:29] Voice 13: yeah

[1:51:31] Voice 9: yeah

[1:51:31] Voice 13: for i for whatever reason i don't remember ever seeing

[1:51:35] Voice 13: anything about this before and i was wondering what the deal is with a 12 lot strata on clam

[1:51:45] Voice 13: bay road do you

[1:51:48] Voice 5: know it's one of the states trustee do you know do you know the states

[1:51:54] Voice 5: we're talking about the properties no that's why i was i looked it up on the map there's a there's

[1:52:00] Voice 5: a road on the plan bay that's chained off uh a gravel road and if you turn down there you go down

[1:52:07] Voice 5: to uh basically uh a parcel that is uh a single parcel but it essentially has 12 uh shared owners

[1:52:18] Voice 5: So they've been in the process long before you were the trustee of seeking to subdivide that land.

[1:52:26] Voice 5: My understanding, the key issue is getting the road up to standard as it looks good from Clambay Road.

[1:52:36] Voice 5: But as you get farther along, it's super steep. I've been down there.

[1:52:38] Voice 5: and so they have been working for years and years and they've just kind of uh re re-upped

[1:52:48] Voice 5: uh efforts again to try to but i can send you uh like the background we would have issued a

[1:52:57] Voice 5: years ago we're talking 10 12 years i think the subdivision's been on our books

[1:53:02] Voice 5: yeah

[1:53:03] Voice 7: i know which one you mean now it's

[1:53:04] Voice 5: a yes one of the houses is where my car court fell

[1:53:08] Voice 5: to bring this back so it's a little famous through that okay

[1:53:11] Voice 9: so i see regional planning

[1:53:14] Voice 9: manager kajima's coming to the screens or are you offering insight i

[1:53:19] Voice 11: was just going to say

[1:53:20] Voice 11: that it's edgewood estates most people just prefer to it as edgewood estates and

[1:53:24] Voice 13: and i just

[1:53:24] Voice 13: when i was reading through i just i had never never even heard of it and so i pulled it up

[1:53:31] Voice 11: on the

[1:53:31] Voice 13: map and looked and was like i don't even i don't even know what this is about so yeah

[1:53:36] Voice 13: So

[1:53:36] Voice 11: it's what's called a corporate co-op, where they bought the property in common.

[1:53:40] Voice 11: And yeah, they've been trying, Brad said, they've been trying to subdivide for well over 10 years.

[1:53:45] Voice 11: They've abandoned one subdivision application, and this is their sort of second attempt.

[1:53:50] Voice 11: And it's, yeah, it's all just about road access, driveway access down to there.

[1:53:55] Voice 11: If you've ever been down there, it's pretty steep.

[1:53:57] Voice 11: So in order to subdivide, they would require a lot of work to be done.

[1:54:02] Voice 13: No real issue.

[1:54:03] Voice 13: well

[1:54:05] Voice 18: can i ask how like are they they're going to be within the 10 acre limit in the subdivision

[1:54:11] Voice 18: because i didn't know that it was that big i'll

[1:54:15] Voice 5: send a original letter to trustee then you'd have

[1:54:18] Voice 5: the background with a bit of context uh there's also a big uh chunk of park dedication that's

[1:54:24] Voice 5: sitting there uh waiting as well yeah

[1:54:27] Voice 18: i just yeah i just wonder because like the some of the

[1:54:32] Voice 18: subdivision stuff that we have seen in the last six years which I think there's two or three that

[1:54:38] Voice 18: I've seen they were related like we see the park designation usually it's what we see because we

[1:54:43] Voice 18: don't approve subdivisions they just have to sit within our bylaws right and so yeah it would just

[1:54:50] Voice 18: be sometimes you see the differences come forward when you see the park designation so it'd be nice

[1:54:56] Voice 18: to just send

[1:54:56] Voice 6: you somewhere thank you

[1:54:58] Voice 9: all right um so coming back to where we were um next thing

[1:55:06] Voice 9: we're looking at is 16.6 the island's trust conservancy report that's on page 77 uh basically

[1:55:13] Voice 9: look for your information okay um so we moved down to 17 now with new business 17.1 options

[1:55:23] Voice 9: for potential downsides of 6601 Razor Point Road

[1:55:28] Voice 9: that have been patched.

[1:55:31] Voice 9: I assume that Mr. Kojima is handling this.

[1:55:34] Voice 9: Mr.

[1:55:35] Voice 11: Chair, this is in response to resolution of the LTC

[1:55:41] Voice 11: from last meeting about the property on Razor Point Road

[1:55:44] Voice 11: and requests for options about downzoning

[1:55:47] Voice 11: and some background on downzoning.

[1:55:49] Voice 11: So provided background on the legislation,

[1:55:53] Voice 11: Essentially, it is possible for local governments to change the zoning on a property in such a way that it reduces the development potential.

[1:56:02] Voice 11: Also noted that Section 511 of the local government has this provision that allows subdivisions that are underway at the time the bylaw were to be adopted to have another 12 months to complete their subdivision.

[1:56:16] Voice 11: There are risks associated with this.

[1:56:19] Voice 11: Of course, it's not popular for part of the affected person, property owner.

[1:56:23] Voice 11: So, there's lots of legal challenges to downzoning and usually take several pathways that they can challenge it on, but not on the ability of a local government to actually change the zoning as long as it's not removing all potential economic uses from the property.

[1:56:43] Voice 11: Also in terms of options, you can do something other than just take away the development potential or reduce it.

[1:56:51] Voice 11: You can permit dwellings equivalent to lots, but not subdivision.

[1:56:56] Voice 11: You could delineate a certain area to permit the lots and dwellings and just have a remainder parcel on the other.

[1:57:06] Voice 11: Sometimes called conservation subdivision design.

[1:57:08] Voice 11: design. You could allow a density bonus where you take away the most of the development potential,

[1:57:14] Voice 11: but then allow it to come back if they provide an amenity. All these would affect the potential

[1:57:20] Voice 11: to subdivide, but the current dwelling wouldn't be affected, nor would it affect the ability to

[1:57:27] Voice 11: do land alteration and tree removal outside an existing DPA that covers a portion of the property.

[1:57:33] Voice 11: And then procedurally, if you wanted to pursue this further, it would be a minor project.

[1:57:37] Voice 11: project, you'd need to pause or cease your Raptor Nest DPA project, make this your top

[1:57:44] Voice 11: priority, request some money to fund it, and just again remind the LTC about Section 511

[1:57:55] Voice 11: that would essentially give a landowner the whole time that the by-law is being considered

[1:58:01] Voice 11: plus another 12 months after it's adopted to get a subdivision approved.

[1:58:06] Voice 11: approved approved

[1:58:08] Voice 17: or submitted approved

[1:58:10] Voice 11: okay

[1:58:14] Voice 3: what is the timeline on our after project right now

[1:58:20] Voice 3: no I

[1:58:28] Voice 18: know that funding requires but

[1:58:34] Voice 18: I'm just thinking of like getting like from my perspective

[1:58:38] Voice 18: of the getting the bylaw drafted in place and off to the province do we have to wait for it to come

[1:58:46] Voice 18: back to the province for it to be a finished project yeah okay

[1:58:50] Voice 3: well that's our policy right

[1:58:54] Voice 5: you'd have to finish the project or put it on the policy but you can't put it on us and have

[1:58:59] Voice 5: the bylaw consideration you have to have adopted um what are you fishing for with the project

[1:59:07] Voice 5: well

[1:59:08] Voice 18: i'm just wondering like and i understand the the way that projects run it is a challenge

[1:59:14] Voice 18: for us sometimes in situations like this or in other types of things where we want to do more

[1:59:19] Voice 18: integrated things but

[1:59:20] Voice 5: like through in perspective just through the chair respectfully with respect

[1:59:25] Voice 5: to this particular property what project would you want to pursue well

[1:59:32] Voice 18: the suggestion here is

[1:59:33] Voice 18: that it would be a minor project for us to go ahead and do a Daltonian.

[1:59:37] Voice 5: But do you want to do that? I mean, Mr. sits up to them too soon.

[1:59:43] Voice 5: So what I do know is that Mr. Hussain is working, or my understanding is that he's

[1:59:49] Voice 5: working in faith to at least explore potential and so on this land through Covenant.

[2:00:00] Voice 5: all

[2:00:00] Voice 1: along at the

[2:00:01] Voice 5: front he expressed that but the timing of getting a variance versus the timing

[2:00:06] Voice 5: working through all that process uh uh is just not the same you could consider just

[2:00:16] Voice 5: engaging with mr hussein seeing where he's at further encouraging him and and uh and and you

[2:00:26] Voice 5: you know, making him understand that from your perspective,

[2:00:31] Voice 5: it's not going to pay and just see where he lands before you take the drastic

[2:00:35] Voice 5: step of looking at the down zone.

[2:00:36] Voice 5: So what Pam Kojima says is really complex and fraught with legal challenges.

[2:00:46] Voice 5: Just to add from my perspective, given that you are,

[2:00:53] Voice 5: you've already approved a DVP and well, he would, you know,

[2:00:59] Voice 5: the lawyers would probably attempt to frame it that you were trying to create this decision

[2:01:04] Voice 5: because you weren't happy with the previous decision and a judge might be very sympathetic

[2:01:11] Voice 5: to that it's all my perspectives right so

[2:01:17] Voice 18: i'm collecting information at this moment

[2:01:20] Voice 18: i'm not saying today we're going to ask for a debate or a doubt i need to understand the timeline

[2:01:26] Voice 18: of our other projects so that when I do go, which I intended to, to talk to Mr. Sain about this,

[2:01:34] Voice 18: that I have clear knowledge about when we could instigate something if we needed to.

[2:01:41] Voice 5: So based on the current plan of your project, it's carrying on for at least another year.

[2:01:47] Voice 18: So, and I'm just, Erin, from my perspective on this, like, and I can, we can have this

[2:01:56] Voice 18: conversation at trust council if we need to but like there is some point around this are just

[2:02:03] Voice 18: about remedying a decision that i don't think it's necessarily the wrong decision but if we don't see

[2:02:11] Voice 18: applications coming forward in x amount of time from this saying then it's not a good faith what

[2:02:18] Voice 18: we understood to be happening it's not that we thought that decision was necessarily wrong it's

[2:02:23] Voice 18: that we thought that decision was we didn't the process that we went through in terms of doing a

[2:02:29] Voice 18: variance versus a community consultation was the issue and the community has weighed in heavily

[2:02:37] Voice 18: that you know all of the anyway i don't really want to get into rehashing the decision but

[2:02:42] Voice 18: um i need to understand what the conversation is with him and i didn't connect back with him

[2:02:55] Voice 18: after the last meeting because i want this information i wanted to see this before i

[2:03:00] Voice 18: want to talk to him so that we're really clear on what our options are so do you have thoughts

[2:03:05] Voice 18: on which direction you would go based on this information so that when because i will reach

[2:03:10] Voice 18: out to him and talk to him more deeply next month before our next meeting i

[2:03:14] Voice 13: guess i understood this

[2:03:19] Voice 13: a little bit already um and getting the getting the information from robert um just helped confirm

[2:03:29] Voice 13: for me uh what what the process would sort of be and i mean i've had an opportunity to talk with

[2:03:41] Voice 13: joey uh a few times and i've talked to him a couple of times before christmas um

[2:03:48] Voice 13: um and discuss this this very thing um and i think that i don't think that going after a

[2:03:59] Voice 13: down zoning to try to rectify what we may see as a as a mistake in the eyes of the community

[2:04:10] Voice 13: is the right way to approach the situation now and i think that definitely i mean i

[2:04:19] Voice 13: I can speak from when I moved to Pender and people started coming to the property to try to tell me what I had to do with my land.

[2:04:33] Voice 13: And I know that this is a different situation and that we've had a conversation about what we felt like, the direction that we felt like this was going to go.

[2:04:44] Voice 13: but if somebody came and said to me that they were that they were going to down zone my property

[2:04:54] Voice 13: because they didn't feel like I had moved quickly enough to do what they had hoped I was going to do

[2:04:59] Voice 13: I would definitely be going to court so I think for sure that we know that we would be going if

[2:05:08] Voice 13: we went down this road that we would be going to court and we'd be spending a lot of money

[2:05:13] Voice 13: in court to do it not that that is a reason not to do something if that's the if is the right

[2:05:22] Voice 13: avenue to take but I think that there's a lot of communication that needs to happen in between now

[2:05:31] Voice 13: and then yeah

[2:05:35] Voice 18: I would agree with that the the last statement especially like that you know we need to

[2:05:40] Voice 18: move forward but we you know we need to see an application of some kind or another in this

[2:05:46] Voice 18: direction that's the right path frankly that's the solid path is for him to put in an application

[2:05:52] Voice 18: right around covenant around whatever it is that is in line with what he talked about before

[2:05:58] Voice 18: the variance so that is the absolute loop to like you know he's in

[2:06:05] Voice 18: control of it then great

[2:06:06] Voice 18: you know that's what he wants i think and but he's also meeting the sort of ethics of what

[2:06:13] Voice 18: but ought to be done in that space.

[2:06:16] Voice 18: So, yeah.

[2:06:17] Voice 13: I mean, I would, having talked to him a few times,

[2:06:21] Voice 13: I would encourage you to have that conversation with him

[2:06:25] Voice 13: and really kind of try to hash it out.

[2:06:27] Voice 13: And I'd also encourage people in the community,

[2:06:29] Voice 13: like I have said to folks that have come up and talked to me,

[2:06:32] Voice 13: but like engage the guy, get to know who he is.

[2:06:36] Voice 13: Also get to have the conversations that people feel are important

[2:06:42] Voice 13: for themselves in the community like i know that i know that he has had some conversations with

[2:06:48] Voice 13: folks and they have walked away at the end of it feeling better about the decision that was made

[2:06:53] Voice 13: and who he is as a person and what he's doing you know what why he's in our community so you know

[2:07:04] Voice 13: yeah i feel like there's a lot of talking that needs to go on and i feel like people are very

[2:07:08] Voice 13: very afraid to approach someone and have a,

[2:07:13] Voice 13: have a conversation and get to know somebody. And so, yeah, I,

[2:07:17] Voice 13: I wouldn't be comfortable in following this path right now at all,

[2:07:22] Voice 13: given what, what I have seen

[2:07:26] Voice 13: play out with the process so far.

[2:07:30] Voice 18: Yeah. And just again, so a couple of things to clarify. One,

[2:07:33] Voice 18: I'm not saying we take this path today.

[2:07:35] Voice 18: No, no, no.

[2:07:36] Voice 18: yeah two i have heard the opposite as well i've heard people who have reached out and had not

[2:07:43] Voice 18: great interactions so like and i don't know what that is i don't want to be in a high school around

[2:07:49] Voice 18: that so i will have my own conversations with him um but and primarily my conversation will

[2:07:57] Voice 18: rotate around like you said this and it's been six months or eight months why don't i see this

[2:08:02] Voice 18: like that's what my conversation is going to be so um and like that's great and you know I want

[2:08:08] Voice 18: that to be a productive like let's figure out how to go forward what's the question that's like

[2:08:12] Voice 18: sticking you up or is it just like a desire issue like so and if I can get a read on that then I'll

[2:08:17] Voice 18: have a better understanding of which way to go um so okay okay um but just so you're aware like

[2:08:25] Voice 18: on the long haul if it didn't go down the road of like you know having to like be more heavy-handed

[2:08:34] Voice 18: in some way i wouldn't want to necessarily back away from them and i would want to like seek trust

[2:08:39] Voice 18: council approval for us to have an extended project related to that because i do think it's

[2:08:43] Voice 18: a bit of an issue so and i don't know if we did we don't need to talk about it right now because

[2:08:48] Voice 18: it's not a reality right now so just let's leave that for now but um because it's an internal

[2:08:53] Voice 18: internal policy that governs our project number.

[2:08:56] Voice 18: So,

[2:08:56] Voice 9: it's that much.

[2:08:58] Voice 9: Okay, thank you.

[2:09:00] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:09:01] Voice 9: Any final thoughts, Mr. Kojima?

[2:09:04] Voice 11: No, Chair, thank you.

[2:09:06] Voice 9: All right,

[2:09:06] Voice 11: thank you very much for that.

[2:09:08] Voice 9: We are in for it.

[2:09:09] Voice 18: Thanks for the information.

[2:09:10] Voice 9: It's

[2:09:10] Voice 18: helpful, thank you.

[2:09:11] Voice 9: Very valuable, and it's good to be educated every night.

[2:09:15] Voice 18: Yeah.

[2:09:16] Voice 9: Excellent, okay, thank you.

[2:09:18] Voice 9: So, next thing on new business is 17.2, helicopter.

[2:09:23] Voice 18: Oh, yes, okay.

[2:09:25] Voice 18: Okay, we got a couple that are going to email from a community member related to the helicopter piece, and I think that's partially my fault.

[2:09:38] Voice 18: Like, there was a lot going on when we were finishing the land use bylaw, things coming in and out, and I don't think that I tracked fully that the helicopter thing is out.

[2:09:46] Voice 18: out. And so there were a few options. And Robert, you might have a better remembrance of this than

[2:09:54] Voice 18: I do. But there were a few conversations related to some texts or some sort of bylaw language that

[2:10:02] Voice 18: we could have that would go into a bylaw amendment process that we might want to kickstart at some

[2:10:09] Voice 18: some point um that would include a more explicit statement about uses or language around helicopters

[2:10:17] Voice 18: because i think we're just silent on it in our our land use bylaw um and so there's a bit of

[2:10:25] Voice 18: questions i have around that and then for bylaw enforcement if you can give us some guidance

[2:10:29] Voice 18: related to the conversation i don't know if you've heard that earlier today but about like

[2:10:33] Voice 18: Like, is it if it's, like, a business use, is that covered right now that we could have a bylaw enforcement go anywhere?

[2:10:42] Voice 18: So if a community member puts in a bylaw enforcement request right now, and maybe warrants on the call, too, I'm not sure.

[2:10:47] Voice 18: But, like, will that go anywhere right now?

[2:10:50] Voice 18: Like, because I know community members have been very frustrated about the situation.

[2:10:55] Voice 18: And if the frequency of that helicopter is increasing, like, what is our options, basically?

[2:11:01] Voice 9: So I see Regional Planning Manager Kojima's got his hand up.

[2:11:04] Voice 11: Thank you, Chair. So last term, this was an issue,

[2:11:08] Voice 11: bio-enforcement investigated. The LTC got a legal opinion, and I

[2:11:12] Voice 11: can recirculate that. It basically confirms what our

[2:11:16] Voice 11: understanding was, that it's a federal jurisdiction. Local governments

[2:11:20] Voice 11: cannot regulate the actual

[2:11:23] Voice 11: aircraft use. It's called aerodromes, is the landing

[2:11:28] Voice 11: area um the ltc um there's some discussion of the ltc and there is a prohibition put into the

[2:11:36] Voice 11: land use bylaw on uh heliports and helipads and the rationale or the rationale for including that

[2:11:46] Voice 11: despite the understanding that it's immune from local government zoning is that well you know

[2:11:53] Voice 11: the court could change its mind you know a future case could change our federal

[2:12:01] Voice 11: legislation could change basically making giving local governments some authority to

[2:12:07] Voice 11: influence that process so that was put in the and is in the land use bylaw

[2:12:14] Voice 11: um in terms of what the community could do uh be members you know no affected neighbors could

[2:12:23] Voice 11: submit by law enforcement complaints um that would allow by law enforcement to investigate

[2:12:30] Voice 11: um if uh it's correct that you know there's a vast increase in the number of flights

[2:12:37] Voice 11: what's the what's the reason for that is there something else on the property

[2:12:41] Voice 11: property that's unrelated to the actual landing of the helicopter that might be contrary to

[2:12:48] Voice 11: land use bylaw. And that would only be determined with an investigation coming from a bylaw

[2:12:57] Voice 11: enforcement complaint.

[2:12:59] Voice 18: Before Warren, can I just, as you talk about this, Warren, can we have one

[2:13:03] Voice 18: clarification around that? So aerodrome, I remember that conversation now from a couple years ago

[2:13:08] Voice 18: around so there is no designated aerodrome by transportation in that area it's my understanding

[2:13:19] Voice 18: like which is different than for instance on aaron's property where there is a designated

[2:13:23] Voice 18: landing site that is and i don't okay that's not true too okay so this was a bit of a question that

[2:13:30] Voice 18: we had what constitutes an aerodrome and is it like who gives it because it's not a land use

[2:13:37] Voice 18: designation that we can see on a map right now so

[2:13:40] Voice 11: chair that was a good question so i'll recirculate

[2:13:43] Voice 11: the legal opinion and it has a quote on what an aerodrome is an aerodrome means any area of land

[2:13:49] Voice 11: water or other supporting surfaces used designed prepared equipped or set apart for use either in

[2:13:55] Voice 11: whole or in part for the arrival departure movement of serve or servicing of aircraft

[2:13:59] Voice 11: and includes any buildings installation equipment situated there on or associated there with

[2:14:04] Voice 11: So some aerodromes are licensed by Transport Canada, others are not.

[2:14:13] Voice 18: It's just a ridiculous loophole.

[2:14:15] Voice 18: Sorry, it's like a crack in the system.

[2:14:19] Voice 9: Mr. Dingman, you have insight.

[2:14:23] Voice 1: Well, the local trust committee, I mean, you could always pursue this matter.

[2:14:30] Voice 1: You can take them to court and challenge, once again, who has jurisdiction over this.

[2:14:39] Voice 1: But this has been done multiple times by multiple jurisdictions across Canada.

[2:14:43] Voice 1: And that's why your legal opinion will say, you know, really, you don't have any authority to do anything regarding this.

[2:14:51] Voice 1: You know, but if we get the complaint, we'll investigate it.

[2:14:55] Voice 1: We'll work through the process.

[2:14:56] Voice 1: I mean, right now we can't issue any tickets, but in theory we could issue tickets if we don't believe that it complies with the land use bylaw.

[2:15:05] Voice 1: And then if it was ever upheld at adjudication, the property owner could ask for judicial review, and then you get another decision from a judge regarding jurisdiction.

[2:15:17] Voice 1: Right now, you would need to take any action if we considered it to be unlawful.

[2:15:23] Voice 1: you would have to take them to court and it would most likely not be successful okay

[2:15:30] Voice 18: and i remember

[2:15:31] Voice 18: the discussion at the time more this might have actually predated your current role it might have

[2:15:37] Voice 18: been with the previous director there anyway um i remember that one of the reasons that we did go

[2:15:43] Voice 18: in this route with the lub was because because we're in the islands trust and we're under the

[2:15:51] Voice 18: honest trust act that we may have a slightly different legal like argument to be made around

[2:15:59] Voice 18: the disruption related to environmental protection like with the disruption of birds with frequency

[2:16:06] Voice 18: of flights and so that if it did become more frequent that we might have some ground to stand

[2:16:11] Voice 18: on in a legal case related to different aspects of our um obligations and i know it's a terrible

[2:16:20] Voice 11: whole

[2:16:20] Voice 18: thing yeah sure

[2:16:21] Voice 11: that was not part of the legal opinion i

[2:16:25] Voice 18: understand that but i think that

[2:16:26] Voice 18: was the rationale of why we did it so okay thank you for that okay encourage community members to

[2:16:34] Voice 18: submit anything else

[2:16:40] Voice 9: in this matter all right thank you gentlemen for your time appreciate the

[2:16:45] Voice 9: that valued and informed insight on this one.

[2:16:49] Voice 9: So we move down to 18, next regular meeting

[2:16:53] scheduled for April 4th, 2024

[2:16:55] Voice 9: at the St. Peter's Anglican Church Hall, Pender Island.

[2:16:59] Voice 9: So we conclude with that town hall.

[2:17:02] Voice 9: Anybody has any comments or concerns or whatever?

[2:17:06] Voice 9: Smiles are appreciated.

[2:17:08] Voice 9: We got two smiles out of it, so that's good.

[2:17:10] Voice 9: All right, so we will move now to a closed meeting.

[2:17:13] Voice 9: If somebody wants to read the motion,

[2:17:19] Voice 9: Yeah, we're cool, we're cool. So I'll move the meeting to be closed in public in accordance

[2:17:27] Voice 9: with the Community Charter Part 4, Division 3 S91A, Personal Information about Identifiable

[2:17:34] Voice 9: Individual Loans or is being considered for position as an Officer, Employer, Agent of

[2:17:39] Voice 9: the Municipality or another position appointed by the Municipality and the Recorder and Staff

[2:17:43] Voice 9: attend the meeting. Seconded by Trustee Campbell, call the question. All in favor? We are in

[2:17:50] Voice 9: favor. So we will stop the broadcasting and recording of the meeting, and we will move

[2:17:58] Voice 9: forward. Any reason why

[2:18:01] Voice 12: we call it a meeting.