Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, June 17, 2025

[0:00:01] Voice 9: during the live stream we have staff jason humans on the line and two attendees oh sorry

[0:00:13] Voice 9: one attendee jennifer margeson and i am going to and then julia director mobbed is on as well

[0:00:23] Voice 9: and i'll start sharing the agenda all right ready are

[0:00:35] Trustee Patrick: we filming yes all right

[0:00:37] Trustee Patrick: Right. Well, good morning. I'd like to call this meeting of the Executive Committee to order.

[0:00:46] Voice 2: We are meeting

[0:00:47] Trustee Patrick: today on the unceded and treaty territories of many Coast Salish First Nations.

[0:00:56] Trustee Patrick: I come to the meeting today with a very warm heart after our feast last evening with Sayot over in Saanich, and it was a good reset, new beginning to working more closely with the Sayot First Nation.

[0:01:17] Trustee Patrick: I'm looking forward to Chief Pelkey opening

[0:01:21] Trustee Patrick: our meeting later today.

[0:01:23] Trustee Patrick: today. We have an agenda before us. I think there's a couple of items. We missed the minister

[0:01:29] Trustee Patrick: meeting requests, which we would put under, where would we put that? New business or?

[0:01:38] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[0:01:41] Voice 6: Yeah. I think it would be new business executive office. Okay.

[0:01:50] Voice 6: Yeah. 10.1.

[0:01:53] Trustee Patrick: Any other new business? Go ahead, Vice Chair.

[0:01:57] Voice 4: Yeah, I think I'd like us to discuss the potential for getting some of the staff direction on updating policy 6.1 to 6.2.

[0:02:09] Trustee Patrick: Add that to new business too?

[0:02:14] Voice 9: Any other items?

[0:02:16] Voice 9: The late correspondence in the agenda addendum.

[0:02:19] Trustee Patrick: So yes, we have the late correspondence under the addendum.

[0:02:24] Trustee Patrick: them include that

[0:02:26] Voice 8: isn't it three oh so there's two and then the letter that was just forwarded

[0:02:33] Voice 8: yes

[0:02:34] Voice 9: we have the trustee boland and trustee bernardo correspondence from june 11th we have

[0:02:40] Voice 9: the correspondence from keith langrys from june 14th and then the correspondence from

[0:02:46] Voice 9: a cache of forest on june 16th okay

[0:02:56] Trustee Patrick: any other items can we agree to approve the

[0:03:01] Trustee Patrick: agenda as amended through general consent we

[0:03:04] Voice 5: did have the one other item for the right

[0:03:08] Voice 6: the approval

[0:03:09] Voice 6: of the delegation from friends of the gulf island society the revised delegation okay so we add that

[0:03:16] Voice 6: under where would we put that i

[0:03:22] Trustee Patrick: think we could put

[0:03:23] Voice 9: that under trust council meeting preparation

[0:03:26] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:03:28] Trustee Patrick: 8.1.2.

[0:03:29] Voice 4: I just have a question about the letter from Akasha Forrest, did you say?

[0:03:34] Trustee Patrick: Can

[0:03:35] Voice 4: you just forward me that?

[0:03:37] Voice 2: All right.

[0:03:38] Trustee Patrick: Now can we approve through general consent the agenda as amended?

[0:03:42] Trustee Patrick: Excellent. Okay.

[0:03:45] Trustee Patrick: So rising report from the previous meeting that the executive committee had adopted the executive committee in-camera meeting minutes of April 23rd and May 14th

[0:03:55] Trustee Patrick: and forwarded in-camera meeting materials to the June Trust Council in-camera agenda.

[0:04:01] Trustee Patrick: We have our minutes here from June 4th, 2025, on page 4 of the agenda package. Are there any

[0:04:07] Trustee Patrick: additions or changes to those minutes? Can we adopt those through general consent? Thank you.

[0:04:14] Trustee Patrick: We have follow-up action list item 6.1 on the agenda, page 17. I'll turn to the CAO Brownlee

[0:04:22] Trustee Patrick: for any items that need to be brought to our attention today?

[0:04:25] Voice 6: I don't think so.

[0:04:26] Voice 6: I think these are largely consistent with what you saw at your last meeting,

[0:04:30] Voice 6: unless staff have any updates to provide.

[0:04:34] Voice 6: I don't think there's anything significant to update you on today,

[0:04:37] Voice 6: but happy to answer any questions.

[0:04:39] Trustee Patrick: Any questions?

[0:04:41] Trustee Patrick: No?

[0:04:42] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much.

[0:04:43] Trustee Patrick: Moving on, are there any reports?

[0:04:47] Trustee Patrick: I'll do a quick roundtable here.

[0:04:49] Trustee Patrick: Anyone who would like to add anything today?

[0:04:51] Trustee Patrick: start with the trustee elliott

[0:04:53] Voice 8: um thank you um not much report uh but the fetus local trust

[0:04:59] Voice 8: committee um at our last meeting there were a couple members of the community who presented

[0:05:05] Voice 8: from the climate action group and they followed up and asked um for if i would perhaps come to

[0:05:15] Voice 8: to the island for the water,

[0:05:18] Voice 8: a water week that they're doing, or a weekend, sorry.

[0:05:22] Voice 8: I'm just getting up to speed on this.

[0:05:24] Voice 8: Late July with an update

[0:05:26] Voice 8: from the Gabriela Water Footprint Project.

[0:05:30] Voice 8: They mentioned it at Thetis

[0:05:31] Voice 8: and so they're excited about that.

[0:05:33] Voice 8: And they've got some water specialists

[0:05:35] Voice 8: that are interested in how the mapping

[0:05:38] Voice 8: is gonna translate into land use planning

[0:05:41] Voice 8: and how community water networks could be set up.

[0:05:43] Voice 8: So we're working with William Shoba on that.

[0:05:48] Voice 8: That might go there at the end of July.

[0:05:50] Voice 8: Some cross-island sharing.

[0:05:54] Voice 8: Wonderful.

[0:05:55] Voice 8: Any other reports?

[0:05:57] Voice 4: I would just note that the Salt Spring Local Trust Committee agreed to prioritize rezoning of the property for the Gulf Island Seniors Residence Association project.

[0:06:10] Voice 4: project. It's now focused on wider affordable housing needs instead of strictly senior housing,

[0:06:17] Voice 4: recognizing the reality here on Salt Spring and also looking at potentially expanding

[0:06:23] Voice 4: the services at the adjoining medical facility. We had Linda Adams representing the group

[0:06:34] Voice 4: group and delegation and I believe unanimous for certain that this is a worthy project

[0:06:44] Voice 4: and needs to go ahead expeditiously, nice and short.

[0:06:51] Trustee Patrick: I was going to add for Salt Spring that we were able to announce as well that the consulting

[0:06:56] Trustee Patrick: team had been contracted and the project has finally started and the press release, but

[0:07:03] Trustee Patrick: but a release out to the subscription went out this week.

[0:07:06] Trustee Patrick: So that was all good news.

[0:07:09] Trustee Patrick: Hello.

[0:07:10] Trustee Patrick: Nice to meet you.

[0:07:11] Voice 5: Nothing from my sector.

[0:07:14] Voice 5: Busy but quiet.

[0:07:15] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:07:15] Trustee Patrick: Busy but quiet is always good.

[0:07:17] Trustee Patrick: For me, I did meet with MLA Botterall a couple Fridays ago.

[0:07:23] Trustee Patrick: We had a lovely meal.

[0:07:24] Trustee Patrick: And he's looking forward to his presentation tomorrow.

[0:07:28] Trustee Patrick: For me, it's all coming next week.

[0:07:30] Trustee Patrick: And I've got to figure out how to get to Gambier in that.

[0:07:32] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, it's going to

[0:07:33] Trustee Patrick: be a challenge, but I'm looking forward to going out and having meetings with both Gambier and Gabriela next week.

[0:07:40] Trustee Patrick: Okay, moving on.

[0:07:45] Trustee Patrick: Vice Chair Elliott, is there anything from highlights from the Trust Conservancy at item 631 on page 29?

[0:07:52] Voice 8: No updates except to say that, of course, it's the 35th anniversary and shared overall is going to be presented to Trust Council.

[0:08:01] Voice 8: but remind me is it tonight or tomorrow okay so that'll be really interesting i know she's

[0:08:07] Voice 8: enthusiastic about that okay well thank you i'll

[0:08:11] Voice 4: just add that uh chair govoreau's uh been invited

[0:08:14] Voice 4: to um present at the salt spring uh meeting in july and she spoke at the june i know but she's

[0:08:22] Voice 4: been invited to come back um for the july one and uh i thought you'd been copied on those emails

[0:08:29] Voice 4: else. Maybe not. And also to the July 4th Hornby meeting as well. And of course, the

[0:08:38] Voice 4: Galeano meeting, she's always there. So she can always add a little bit of context, but

[0:08:43] Voice 4: actually talking to Conservancy former chair yesterday, Reese Smith, highlighting that

[0:08:51] Voice 4: it's actually, you know, rather than just receiving these reports, as we often do, especially

[0:08:56] Voice 4: at LTCs, it's nice when there's someone there not only to present but also to answer questions.

[0:09:03] Voice 4: Just sort of

[0:09:04] Voice 4: helps highlight the good work of the Conservancy that we're not always

[0:09:08] Voice 4: necessarily fully aware of.

[0:09:10] Voice 8: And actually I should actually to articulate or to share about the good

[0:09:14] Voice 8: news of the Conservancy, forgive me I forgot, last Wednesday we had a celebration on Gabriela Island

[0:09:21] Voice 8: celebrating the Coons Naptep Covenant

[0:09:24] Voice 8: securement. So I was there with Trustee Yates,

[0:09:28] Voice 8: there were several staff, Catherine Martel, and

[0:09:32] Voice 8: really it was just a lovely coming together. We got to see the land.

[0:09:38] Voice 8: It's quite a special story

[0:09:40] Voice 8: of stewardship over 23 years. It had been basically

[0:09:44] Voice 8: a devastated mining area. It had been used for

[0:09:48] Voice 8: gravel quarrying and um so when the owner yarrow coons purchased it 23 years ago um these pools

[0:09:57] Voice 8: had formed and there and what captivated her was these newts and there's just so many newts

[0:10:04] Voice 8: swimming around in the pools and the alders had come back and it was re-greening and so in about

[0:10:09] Voice 8: 23 years the the land is sort of repairing itself and so it was a really good example of

[0:10:15] Voice 8: of stewardship and action and a really good theme that celebration so thanks for letting me share

[0:10:24] Voice 8: thank you okay

[0:10:27] Trustee Patrick: moving on then to item eight which is preparation for trust council meeting eight one

[0:10:32] Trustee Patrick: one is updated uh resolutions without meeting report does this need to be forwarded to trust

[0:10:38] Trustee Patrick: council so can we agree through general consent to afford that to trust council thank you um we

[0:10:46] Trustee Patrick: We also had the revised delegation

[0:10:49] Trustee Patrick: from Friends of the Gulf Islands.

[0:10:53] Trustee Patrick: And we agree with your general consent

[0:10:54] Trustee Patrick: for that to trust council.

[0:10:59] Trustee Patrick: And then we have under 8.4.1,

[0:11:03] Trustee Patrick: the policy statement amendment project meeting schedule RFD

[0:11:06] Trustee Patrick: on page 35.

[0:11:10] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead, Vice-Chair Peterson.

[0:11:12] Voice 4: Yeah, I've got a question that I'm sure

[0:11:14] Voice 4: i won't be the only one to ask on page 36 under implications under financial it states trustees

[0:11:23] Voice 4: will be compensated for attendance at special trust council meeting so never heard of that

[0:11:27] Voice 4: before and uh just wanted to inquire um

[0:11:33] Voice 6: i believe director models online but i think the answer to

[0:11:35] Voice 6: that is because it's not it's not committee of the whole it's an actual special trust council meeting

[0:11:40] Voice 6: meeting and so it counts as the same way a regular Trust Council meeting okay

[0:11:46] Voice 4: but in terms of

[0:11:48] Voice 4: compensation I mean we don't generally get extra compensation for a regular Trust Council meeting

[0:11:53] Voice 4: it just it sounds like there's going to be specific compensation and maybe it just needs reworded

[0:12:01] Voice 4: because that's what kind of what it looks like to me please

[0:12:04] Trustee Patrick: go ahead hi

[0:12:08] Voice 7: everyone um thanks for

[0:12:11] Voice 7: for allowing me to join by audio this morning.

[0:12:13] Voice 7: Yes, so Trustee Peterson is correct.

[0:12:16] Voice 7: Trustees receive what's called a base remuneration

[0:12:19] Voice 7: for trust council participation and the work of that body.

[0:12:23] Voice 7: There is no additional compensation

[0:12:25] Voice 7: for trust council meetings specifically.

[0:12:28] Voice 7: Currently there's no additional compensation

[0:12:29] Voice 7: for community level meetings or special council meetings

[0:12:32] Voice 7: or anything of that nature.

[0:12:33] Voice 7: So if we need to amend that wording, we can do so.

[0:12:38] Voice 4: Yeah, I would just recommend that perhaps

[0:12:40] Voice 4: that sentence can be removed.

[0:12:42] Voice 4: it does tend to suggest something that's not really

[0:12:46] Voice 4: the case so can

[0:12:49] Trustee Patrick: we do that before this

[0:12:50] Trustee Patrick: report's shared with stuff we can okay so um through general consent we could uh we'll forward

[0:12:57] Trustee Patrick: this uh report to trust this rfd to trust council with the amendment to the paragraph under section

[0:13:05] Trustee Patrick: section three for invitations.

[0:13:07] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:13:10] Trustee Patrick: Is there anything else then for preparation for Trust Council today from that section?

[0:13:18] Trustee Patrick: No.

[0:13:19] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:13:19] Trustee Patrick: Good.

[0:13:20] Trustee Patrick: Looking forward to a productive meeting in the next few days.

[0:13:24] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:13:25] Trustee Patrick: So moving on, I think we're jumping all the way to new business.

[0:13:29] Trustee Patrick: And the only item that we have under new business is the request for meetings from ministers

[0:13:35] Trustee Patrick: for UBCM.

[0:13:37] Trustee Patrick: Vice-Chair, any thoughts or stuff or have any, who has put some thought together?

[0:13:43] Trustee Patrick: I guess I'll look at CEO Brown.

[0:13:44] Trustee Patrick: I

[0:13:45] Voice 6: would say we're open to your requests.

[0:13:46] Voice 6: We just need to have a final decision today so that we're able to complete any submissions for those requests in time for the July 2nd deadline.

[0:13:57] Trustee Patrick: All right,

[0:13:59] Trustee Patrick: go ahead, Vice-Chair.

[0:14:01] Voice 5: Just questioning, we're in a unique situation in Victoria.

[0:14:08] Voice 5: where to me ministers and ministry staff are available year-round and and we get a very very

[0:14:17] Voice 5: small sound bite at ubcm that gets sometimes perhaps lost in the other 300 people trying

[0:14:24] Voice 5: to talk to the minister and solicit and just wanting strategically speaking if we're just

[0:14:30] Voice 5: not better off year-round doing the request for meetings of staff or ministers

[0:14:36] Voice 5: in our backyard rather than trying to cram it

[0:14:39] Voice 5: into a UBCM opportunity,

[0:14:42] Voice 5: especially if not everybody's going to be attending.

[0:14:45] Voice 5: I just, I don't see the leveraged advantage

[0:14:50] Voice 5: of asking for these meetings at UBCM for us

[0:14:54] Voice 5: because we have this access all the time.

[0:14:58] Voice 5: So I just ask staff or whoever,

[0:15:01] Voice 5: are we better off putting our energy into meetings

[0:15:04] Voice 5: meetings outside of UBCM rather than inside of UBCM?

[0:15:09] Voice 5: I just want to see the advantage.

[0:15:10] Voice 5: In fact, to me, it's almost a disadvantage.

[0:15:13] Trustee Patrick: I think the difference is strategy.

[0:15:15] Trustee Patrick: Just to ask for a meeting to chat, these are not good strategies.

[0:15:20] Trustee Patrick: You have 15 minutes, but when you have a specific ask that you have been

[0:15:26] Trustee Patrick: lobbying for, working for, then that is the purpose of UBCM,

[0:15:30] Trustee Patrick: is to bring that collective lobbying together.

[0:15:33] Trustee Patrick: together. So I think it's being strategic and going in with about 15 minutes, you've got one

[0:15:40] Trustee Patrick: clear, distinct ask, and that you basically pitch that ask. And I

[0:15:45] Trustee Patrick: think you kind of hope that

[0:15:46] Trustee Patrick: there's other municipalities and so forth, likely making those same pitches. And I think that's

[0:15:52] Trustee Patrick: where the power becomes of strength at UBCM as if a minister kind of hears a repetitive theme.

[0:15:58] Trustee Patrick: I think that helps them in moving an item, perhaps, from thought to action.

[0:16:06] Trustee Patrick: Vice Chair Elliott.

[0:16:08] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:16:10] Voice 8: To me, it is about continuing the relationship and highlighting that we are here and we have, you know, again, that focused ask.

[0:16:20] Voice 8: If we don't ask, then we'll get it.

[0:16:23] Voice 8: And I think just being in location in Victoria,

[0:16:28] Voice 8: I think UBCM is a forum where they're set up to engage.

[0:16:32] Voice 8: It's for relationship building, it's for strategic asks.

[0:16:35] Voice 8: And if you don't want, maybe not on the radar so much.

[0:16:40] Voice 8: So I'm looking back at notes from our meeting with Minister Fleming in 2023.

[0:16:46] Voice 8: We had talked about having regular meetings,

[0:16:48] Voice 8: meetings um active transportation plans even a focused task force to deal with issues of concern

[0:16:56] Voice 8: um separated pathways between the highways for safety and one meeting and with the crd and

[0:17:03] Voice 8: the south moti branch and then we weren't able to follow up because we don't have policy advisors

[0:17:10] Voice 8: or people able to work on that but um the minister was really open to a trust-wide transportation

[0:17:17] Voice 8: transportation plan come to me with a trust-wide transportation plan that is different than rural

[0:17:23] Voice 8: highways in the rest of the province because you know all of these different elements and so that

[0:17:30] Voice 8: to me would be something we could follow up on there's a new transportation minister you might

[0:17:34] Voice 8: want to re-establish um this or put that request forward again minister farnsworth and then bc

[0:17:42] Voice 8: ferries i think that's um so i don't know if we're getting into the meat of who's rather than

[0:17:49] Voice 8: the why yeah but i think there's value brainstorm a bit yeah for farnworth i think farnworth on

[0:17:57] Voice 8: roads rural roads in the islands and how they're different from rural highways in the rest of the

[0:18:04] Voice 8: province um the safety issue is is huge especially for ferries to villages um gabriela is um again

[0:18:17] Voice 8: primed to be a pilot project that safe access to ferry and how we can we could develop that ask

[0:18:27] Voice 8: from our ocp engagement and what citizens are asking for slowing down reduced speeds in certain

[0:18:33] Voice 8: areas a safe pathway to from the ferry to the village that's kind of too focused but we could

[0:18:41] Voice 8: talk about rural roads in the islands in general and there needs to be an updated protocol agreement

[0:18:46] Voice 8: which we've been asking for more regular meetings with ministry staff to work on areas of concern

[0:18:54] Voice 8: concern um and i think bc ferries is we've got to have some avenue for community voices

[0:19:01] Voice 8: to be represented in their engagement i don't think anyway so that's that's what i had for

[0:19:08] Voice 8: transportation it's kind of all over yeah

[0:19:11] Voice 4: i was also going to bring up the transportation issue

[0:19:15] Voice 4: i think um if there's one item it's to uh sort of refocus on the task force issue so that we

[0:19:24] Voice 4: could have an ongoing discussion about all these very important issues i mean i know when we sat

[0:19:29] Voice 4: down with minister fleming uh the act of transportation routes and exactly what you

[0:19:34] Voice 4: were talking about that safe transition from ferries um it's an issue on all of the islands

[0:19:40] Voice 4: as far as everyone i've been to that's an issue um but i think that if we focus on the um the

[0:19:47] Voice 4: task force or working group or i think it's task force in the in the um in the agreement that we

[0:19:53] Voice 4: have

[0:19:53] Voice 3: and

[0:19:54] Voice 4: and make that a reality then that will give us the forum to have the ongoing discussions

[0:19:59] Voice 4: and and so i think that would be the the focus i would support um and then i would just also add

[0:20:05] Voice 4: i don't know that we've had um an opportunity to sit down with um uh minister boyle uh in

[0:20:14] Voice 4: indigenous relations and reconciliation in addition to um uh minister kalon needing to be

[0:20:24] Voice 4: reminded of our unique situation because of our geographical spread the sheer number of of nations

[0:20:33] Voice 4: um with interest in the trust area i wonder if it's i think it might be good to sit down with

[0:20:39] Voice 4: with Mr. Boyle and just remind.

[0:20:46] Voice 4: I don't believe there's any other jurisdiction

[0:20:48] Voice 4: in the province that is in a position as we are

[0:20:53] Voice 4: with so many nations to work with and engage.

[0:20:56] Voice 4: You know, the province gave us some money

[0:21:00] Voice 4: a couple of years ago.

[0:21:02] Voice 4: It's woefully inadequate to the task.

[0:21:04] Voice 4: I think somehow we need to at least have the minister

[0:21:07] Voice 4: her up to speed on the reality of our situation.

[0:21:12] Voice 4: That's my thought.

[0:21:17] Trustee Patrick: Any other thoughts? I don't trust the element you were talking about.

[0:21:21] Voice 8: Yeah, the question of ground leases and

[0:21:24] Voice 8: agreements and is there a shift in

[0:21:29] Voice 8: direction from the province towards

[0:21:33] Voice 8: economic security, increasing infrastructure

[0:21:37] Voice 8: and I think having the

[0:21:41] Voice 8: conversation about what preservative protecting the trust area looks like in that context is

[0:21:46] Voice 8: very important and the minister of engineering dick's energy and climate solutions i believe

[0:21:53] Voice 8: their ministry oversees marine tenures leases licenses and permits perhaps having a conversation

[0:22:03] Voice 8: to highlight that it shouldn't just be pro forma approving a marine tenure

[0:22:10] Voice 8: in for example pretty harbor um because that perhaps the mandate was you know increase

[0:22:20] Voice 8: economic local food production the trust is a special area and that it needs to be protected

[0:22:27] Voice 8: and so i think the request coming from thetis was ask our minister to advocate to the other

[0:22:32] Voice 8: ministries and then advice from staff came back well we have a dispute resolution um mechanism

[0:22:38] Voice 8: And so I know that's being explored staff to staff, but I think it would be worth a conversation with the minister to highlight that their economic priorities should not override the local authority and the preserve and protect mandate for the trust area.

[0:22:59] Voice 8: And I think something has missed a step.

[0:23:02] Voice 8: So that's a political request that I think is grounded in what's just happened on DITAS.

[0:23:09] Voice 8: I think between

[0:23:10] Trustee Patrick: Thetis and Salt Springs example,

[0:23:12] Trustee Patrick: really active examples to bring to the attention.

[0:23:17] Voice 8: Yeah,

[0:23:18] Voice 2: I think there's other examples if you start looking around the trust area as well.

[0:23:24] Trustee Patrick: I think Minister Farnworth has a very specific follow-up on,

[0:23:30] Trustee Patrick: we still don't have a task force, we still have ongoing roads.

[0:23:33] Trustee Patrick: I think they've got a lot of new experience on the Salt Spring construction up here

[0:23:37] Trustee Patrick: as to how much work it is to upgrade these old roads.

[0:23:44] Trustee Patrick: The Minister of Reconciliation, I'm sorry,

[0:23:49] Trustee Patrick: Minister Boyle, I'll go with him.

[0:23:51] Trustee Patrick: He can't do titles.

[0:23:52] Trustee Patrick: What would, are we prepared for a specific ask there?

[0:24:00] Voice 4: I think that would, I think we should consider that

[0:24:04] Voice 4: and have more discussion around here.

[0:24:08] Voice 4: I mean, we need some kind of additional support.

[0:24:15] Voice 4: And I don't know precisely what that looks like.

[0:24:17] Voice 4: And I don't have prepared, you know, detailed ask at this point.

[0:24:25] Voice 4: But I just look at the reality of our situation.

[0:24:30] Voice 4: Like, we can't do this on our own.

[0:24:32] Trustee Patrick: Absolutely.

[0:24:32] Trustee Patrick: I'm wondering if that would be more of an aim to request to meet him in his offices with staff

[0:24:39] Trustee Patrick: for more of a brainstorming longer discussion as to

[0:24:42] Trustee Patrick: how how they could help us rather than a 15

[0:24:45] Trustee Patrick: minute

[0:24:46] Voice 4: 15

[0:24:47] Trustee Patrick: minutes or is it 10 minutes yeah

[0:24:49] Voice 4: and i'm totally fine with going that route instead

[0:24:52] Voice 4: of ubcm i just think it's it's something it's overdue for us to sit down and have that

[0:24:57] Voice 4: conversation with that minister

[0:24:59] Voice 3: so yeah i

[0:25:02] Voice 6: think you can you can do both options to vice chair

[0:25:05] Voice 6: mods earlier question and sometimes the advantage of bringing it forward at ubcm is ministries that

[0:25:11] Voice 6: might otherwise ministers that might otherwise be very busy and have very busy agendas are

[0:25:16] Voice 6: predisposed to be lining up and having these conversations ubcm conversation for example

[0:25:22] Voice 6: with the minister of indigenous relations and reconciliation is a way to say

[0:25:27] Voice 6: here is our challenge we would very much like to engage with you more on this

[0:25:30] Voice 6: can we agree to have a follow-up meeting with you and staff where we would discuss this in

[0:25:36] Voice 6: more detail and that's your opening yes you got for the meeting i think that'd

[0:25:41] Voice 4: be a reasonable

[0:25:41] Voice 4: approach so it could be that to ask the pitch session

[0:25:44] Trustee Patrick: so i look to staff on so that would be

[0:25:48] Trustee Patrick: three ministers uh does that make sense what we've been talking about this morning yeah

[0:25:54] Voice 6: i think so i

[0:25:55] Voice 6: mean we've put in the request right of course it all just depends on whether or not you make the

[0:25:59] Voice 6: cut with any with any or all of those because they have limited slots available but we can

[0:26:05] Voice 6: draft the request to submit on each of those

[0:26:10] Trustee Patrick: i

[0:26:11] Voice 8: have more on environment and and the monitoring of habitats for biodiversity

[0:26:17] Voice 8: sort of near-shore habitat restoration it's but it's there's just so much happening

[0:26:23] Voice 8: can they make the trust area a marine protected area

[0:26:31] Voice 2: that would be a

[0:26:33] Voice 8: very big ask but one was just uh a new one was just approved in 2024

[0:26:39] Voice 8: so they're adding to the mpas and that was a long-standing request actually

[0:26:46] Voice 5: because we do have parts canada with this national park marine zone

[0:26:51] Voice 3: that's

[0:26:52] Voice 5: what 20 years

[0:26:54] Voice 5: in in the makings yeah and

[0:26:56] Voice 5: they said they met was it not with trust council two years ago

[0:26:59] Voice 5: or maybe it was maybe another body

[0:27:02] Trustee Patrick: they came to and it was

[0:27:05] Trustee Patrick: basically it was an SGI forum

[0:27:07] Trustee Patrick: that they came and presented

[0:27:09] Voice 5: because it was like I think there was like five steps and they were

[0:27:12] Voice 5: just completing step four so the

[0:27:14] Voice 5: inference was it's just about to happen yeah

[0:27:18] Voice 8: I think there's

[0:27:20] Voice 8: going to be opportunity for staff more meetings with staff especially about climate change climate

[0:27:25] Voice 8: adaptation and figuring out where we might fit in their programs or what we can ask for i don't know

[0:27:34] Voice 8: if there's a request for a minister on climate action and near shore protection but the tricky

[0:27:43] Voice 8: area there's lots to be done and they have lots of programs that i don't know if we're actually

[0:27:50] Voice 8: taking advantage of so it's not uh yeah so

[0:27:58] Voice 6: if i think if you're agreed on those three ministers

[0:28:01] Voice 6: if we can just get a resolution asking staff to prepare requests for meetings with the

[0:28:09] Voice 6: Minister of Transportation, Minister of Indigenous Relations and Reconciliation, and the Minister

[0:28:13] Voice 6: of Energy and Climate Action and Solutions.

[0:28:19] Voice 8: Should we not ask for a meeting with Minister Kay Wong?

[0:28:24] Trustee Patrick: I mean, in some ways, I hope we meet with him prior to UBCM.

[0:28:29] Trustee Patrick: that would be my preference but so i don't know if it's the right signal to also say that we want

[0:28:37] Trustee Patrick: to meet with them at pbcm okay i don't know i i have no it's it's also

[0:28:42] Voice 6: could be a backup plan

[0:28:44] Voice 6: depending on whether or not he accepts your most recent request we

[0:28:49] Trustee Patrick: could always always meet with

[0:28:51] Trustee Patrick: the minister of housing aspects on the tiny hole on wheels part too so um we have multiple reasons

[0:28:57] Trustee Patrick: reasons to meet with them. Why not? Let's put in, you want to add that, so four ministry

[0:29:07] Trustee Patrick: requests?

[0:29:09] Trustee Patrick: Wow, yeah.

[0:29:10] Voice 11: What's the last one?

[0:29:12] Trustee Patrick: Minister of housing and municipal affairs.

[0:29:16] Voice 8: We can pivot.

[0:29:17] Trustee Patrick: If we get to meet with them before, we go in and talk about tiny homes.

[0:29:20] Trustee Patrick: We can work on that, the framing

[0:29:23] Voice 8: of it. But yeah, transportation, providing a protocol

[0:29:28] Voice 8: agreement task force like activating the task force that you need to talk about those issues

[0:29:33] Voice 8: for sure and that's the energy on not overriding local jurisdiction

[0:29:43] Voice 8: okay

[0:29:46] Trustee Patrick: so we need a we need a motion i guess uh alexandra

[0:29:51] Voice 11: have you got one

[0:29:52] Trustee Patrick: or who you do you're

[0:29:54] Trustee Patrick: doing them yeah

[0:29:54] Voice 11: i just got one what do you know that the executive committee requests staff to

[0:30:00] Voice 11: prepare materials to ask for meetings at UBCM

[0:30:02] Voice 11: with the Minister of Transportation and Transit,

[0:30:05] Voice 11: I think it is now,

[0:30:06] Voice 11: Minister of Indigenous Relations and Reconciliation,

[0:30:09] Voice 11: Minister of Energy and Climate Solutions,

[0:30:12] Voice 11: and Minister of Housing and Municipal Affairs.

[0:30:14] Trustee Patrick: Who would like to make that motion?

[0:30:17] Trustee Patrick: Vice-Chair Elliott?

[0:30:19] Trustee Patrick: Second?

[0:30:20] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Vice-Chair Peterson.

[0:30:21] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[0:30:23] Trustee Patrick: Call the vote.

[0:30:24] Trustee Patrick: All those in favour?

[0:30:25] Trustee Patrick: That carries.

[0:30:26] Trustee Patrick: I think so moved.

[0:30:29] Trustee Patrick: So moved.

[0:30:29] Voice 8: That's a good one, yeah.

[0:30:31] Trustee Patrick: Okay, then correspondence. So we have the correspondence before us. And we have an additional three pieces that we have in the addendum. Are there any objections to forwarding all of those to trust counsel, general consent? That's easy. And that's it, then this meeting would go up. Go ahead.

[0:30:59] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[0:30:59] Voice 4: the item on uh policy six point uh one foot two thank

[0:31:03] Trustee Patrick: you and we also

[0:31:04] Voice 4: had the uh

[0:31:06] Voice 4: friends of the gulf islands yeah we did

[0:31:08] Voice 4: that yeah yeah um

[0:31:14] Voice 9: sure jennifer margason has raised her hand and would like to speak nice

[0:31:20] Trustee Patrick: uh vice chairs do

[0:31:22] Trustee Patrick: Do you want to hear from Jennifer at this time?

[0:31:30] Trustee Patrick: Yes?

[0:31:31] Trustee Patrick: Sure.

[0:31:31] Trustee Patrick: Sure?

[0:31:33] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:31:34] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead and hear from Ms. Marguson.

[0:31:41] Trustee Patrick: We

[0:31:41] Voice 1: should be able to hear.

[0:31:43] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:31:43] Trustee Patrick: I won't take.

[0:31:44] Voice 1: Yes, I'm here.

[0:31:45] Voice 1: Can you hear me?

[0:31:46] Voice 1: Yes, we can.

[0:31:47] Voice 1: Please proceed.

[0:31:48] Voice 1: I won't take up much of your time.

[0:31:51] Voice 1: I just simply wanted to ask if there were any lingering concerns or questions regarding Friends of the Gulf Islands endorsing hate speech, as was discussed in the last executive meeting.

[0:32:06] Voice 1: I did send you an email during that meeting responding to those comments, but I didn't receive any reply.

[0:32:14] Voice 1: So I'm just concerned that that particular concern may still be lingering with some members of the executive committee.

[0:32:26] Voice 1: So I'm happy to respond to that in any way or answer any questions about it.

[0:32:32] Trustee Patrick: Well, I've noticed we noticed you have a comment on the web on the web page or on the petition site and appreciate that adding that comment, I believe.

[0:32:39] Trustee Patrick: so I don't believe is there any other comments from vice chairs no so thank

[0:32:46] Trustee Patrick: thank you very much for being here today and I think we'll see you later today

[0:32:51] Trustee Patrick: thank you very much all right thank you okay back to policy six one two two

[0:32:57] Trustee Patrick: vice chair Peterson oh

[0:33:00] Voice 4: yeah I think we I think my impression is that we're all

[0:33:05] Voice 4: kind of clear that there's there's some ambiguity that needs to be resolved

[0:33:09] Voice 4: I think the other piece that I talked to some staff about was the notion that it needs an update so that Trust Council is selecting the resolution topic at the summer meeting.

[0:33:22] Voice 4: And then I think that flows into the issues around support at the conventions by the Trust Delegates.

[0:33:35] Voice 4: So I did have a draft motion, where did I put it?

[0:33:45] Voice 4: So the motion I was considering was that staff be requested to draft

[0:33:49] Voice 4: options for an updated version of policy 6.12.2 UBCM ABIC's membership and resolutions.

[0:33:59] Voice 4: Can you

[0:33:59] Voice 11: email that resolution to me? Did

[0:34:01] Voice 4: you email that resolution?

[0:34:03] Voice 4: I did not email that to you, but I can.

[0:34:12] Voice 11: So are

[0:34:14] Trustee Patrick: you making that motion?

[0:34:18] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[0:34:18] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[0:34:20] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Vice-Chair Maud.

[0:34:22] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[0:34:26] Trustee Patrick: I know I have some discussion.

[0:34:28] Trustee Patrick: My only concerns is that we have a lot of policies that need to be updated.

[0:34:35] Trustee Patrick: and I'm hoping that we bring a systematic approach to how we choose those and while I agree this

[0:34:43] Trustee Patrick: policy needs updating I would hope that the four of us could agree on our interpretation of it

[0:34:50] Trustee Patrick: and I understand oh go ahead yeah

[0:34:53] Voice 11: I don't mean to interrupt but um the governance committee has

[0:34:57] Voice 11: on its one of its priorities is to go through all the policies and prioritize and update them so you

[0:35:03] Voice 11: you might want to actually forward something like this

[0:35:05] Voice 11: to the Governance Committee.

[0:35:06] Trustee Patrick: Ah, that would work too.

[0:35:08] Trustee Patrick: And I understand from CEO Browning

[0:35:10] Trustee Patrick: that if he's prepared some comments,

[0:35:13] Trustee Patrick: I don't know if you want to talk about that now.

[0:35:15] Voice 6: Yeah, I would just say,

[0:35:17] Voice 6: I think it does fit within that broader policy update,

[0:35:19] Voice 6: policy review project.

[0:35:21] Voice 6: And so if you want to send a,

[0:35:22] Voice 6: put forward a recommendation to Governance Committee

[0:35:24] Voice 6: as per direct or moderate suggestion, that's helpful.

[0:35:27] Voice 6: Ask them to somehow prioritize that.

[0:35:30] Voice 6: They can consider that.

[0:35:31] Voice 6: I think in in the interim what we can do is look at how we prepare and and prepare for this coming

[0:35:40] Voice 6: UBCM and go through that experience and then that can be a good opportunity for you to provide

[0:35:46] Voice 6: feedback that might inform that policy discussion as well at a later date and that might be a way

[0:35:54] Voice 6: to kind of if you if we prepare for UBCM with this in mind and have that a bit of a lens and

[0:35:59] Voice 6: and make notes on what we might recommend as potential changes even when we get to that

[0:36:03] Voice 6: policy amendment that might you know question

[0:36:08] Voice 8: i and i have a question whether we need to amend

[0:36:12] Voice 8: policy or have more of an operations guide or like here is how we do the things and part of

[0:36:19] Voice 8: what alex is developing is you know feedback and reporting out from um conventions can be done in

[0:36:26] Voice 8: a different way without changing policy so i think that's a really good approach is to go through the

[0:36:31] Voice 8: process and see if the policy then needs to be amended

[0:36:35] Voice 4: yeah and uh discussions i've had with

[0:36:38] Voice 4: staff um did identify that one of the weaknesses is not putting these resolutions through trust

[0:36:47] Voice 4: council in that perspective so i think to me that's that's quite important uh a consideration

[0:36:55] Voice 4: restoration and then and then I think that will help clarify the issue that seems a bit ambiguous

[0:37:02] Voice 4: or at least there's two fairly different interpretations of the existing policy

[0:37:07] Voice 4: so um I just I didn't want to I didn't want us to forget that this is you know needs the

[0:37:15] Voice 4: clarification I think if nothing else uh in terms of legacy uh straightening this up for

[0:37:21] Voice 4: for future ECs is a good idea.

[0:37:24] Voice 3: Thank you, Chair.

[0:37:26] Voice 6: I think on the particular issue around the provisions

[0:37:29] Voice 6: in the policy and around voting for resolutions

[0:37:31] Voice 6: at AVICC and UBCN, I have a draft of set of guidelines

[0:37:36] Voice 6: that effect that I have to work with Director Marder on,

[0:37:39] Voice 6: but that we'll bring forward to you that I think

[0:37:41] Voice 6: might help address that issue and provide some clarity.

[0:37:44] Voice 6: And then I think on the point about bringing resolutions

[0:37:48] Voice 6: resolutions from trust islands trust to trust council for approval well it doesn't specify

[0:37:53] Voice 6: that i'll sit on invite director marler to comment on this it doesn't necessarily preclude ec from

[0:37:58] Voice 6: making a choice to advance those to trust council for consideration doesn't mean we can't amend the

[0:38:03] Voice 6: policy to enshrine that in policy at a future date as well but certainly if there were resolutions

[0:38:08] Voice 6: that we might want to bring forward in the future you could as ec just make that a practice to table

[0:38:12] Voice 6: most of its trust counsel firm absolutely

[0:38:15] Trustee Patrick: so yeah yeah so i think it's a good would be a good

[0:38:19] Trustee Patrick: experience for us to to work together on that and then then i think the policy changes become

[0:38:25] Trustee Patrick: more clear yeah

[0:38:27] Voice 4: yeah and i appreciate that work because i think that's as uh if we can amend the

[0:38:33] Voice 4: practice um you know before we actually get down to amending the policy then it will help

[0:38:42] Voice 4: both the practice and and the amendment to the policy when that takes place so

[0:38:45] Trustee Patrick: so we have a second motion

[0:38:47] Trustee Patrick: on the floor but an alternative might be to go ahead

[0:38:53] Voice 11: yeah sorry i

[0:38:54] Voice 11: just wanted to comment i've just made a minor change to the motion wording yeah yeah i just

[0:38:58] Voice 11: said the executive committee requests staff to draft options for an updated version of policy

[0:39:03] Voice 11: 612 to ubcm abic membership and resolutions so it's just a intro is a little bit different

[0:39:10] Voice 11: okay yeah

[0:39:11] Voice 11: so thank you looking for an alternative well

[0:39:17] Trustee Patrick: it doesn't say prioritize though

[0:39:20] Trustee Patrick: so

[0:39:20] Voice 4: no i i know

[0:39:21] Trustee Patrick: well i don't want it to say that i

[0:39:23] Voice 4: wasn't attempting to prioritize it i was just

[0:39:25] Voice 4: make wanting to make sure it didn't um kind of fall off our radar as we move in business

[0:39:32] Voice 4: time goes on so

[0:39:33] Trustee Patrick: from procedure wise if this motion were to pass we could then do a motion to

[0:39:37] Trustee Patrick: to forward that motion to the Governance Committee to include in its overall project?

[0:39:45] Voice 11: Maybe simply just to do that directly. If you want staff, you want to codify a little bit of

[0:39:50] Voice 11: what the CAO was saying, you could change it to say Executive Committee request staff to draft

[0:39:56] Voice 11: some operational procedures for Executive Committee consider regarding this,

[0:40:01] Voice 11: and forward the policy 612 to the Governance Committee for consideration.

[0:40:06] Voice 11: wouldn't

[0:40:07] Trustee Patrick: that be changing the motion that's on the floor rather yeah

[0:40:10] Voice 11: so that's

[0:40:15] Trustee Patrick: our options we either vote this one down and then reword one to be a bit more accurate

[0:40:20] Trustee Patrick: from our discussion um vice chairs i don't know how you feel i mean

[0:40:25] Voice 4: because they were not

[0:40:26] Voice 4: prioritizing and i don't think there's any real risk of passing it as is um and i would assume

[0:40:34] Voice 4: that since the governance committee is already looking at policies this would come to them as

[0:40:37] Voice 4: a matter of course so especially knowing that there's you're working on some guidelines i'm

[0:40:42] Voice 4: satisfied to just let it take its course for for the time just as long as it's not completely

[0:40:49] Voice 4: disappearing from our radar that's really was my my issue there so would

[0:40:53] Trustee Patrick: that be i mean just

[0:40:55] Trustee Patrick: want to make sure with staff that's how it would be interpreted then okay

[0:40:59] Voice 11: yeah i i sorry yeah and

[0:41:01] Voice 11: In

[0:41:01] Trustee Patrick: the follow-up

[0:41:01] Voice 11: action list, I could make some notes to that effect.

[0:41:03] Trustee Patrick: Excellent.

[0:41:04] Trustee Patrick: All right, then.

[0:41:05] Trustee Patrick: So we have a motion before us.

[0:41:07] Trustee Patrick: Is there any further discussion?

[0:41:10] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote, then.

[0:41:11] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[0:41:12] Trustee Patrick: That carries.

[0:41:14] Trustee Patrick: Always good to get some.

[0:41:17] Trustee Patrick: All right, now we're at the end of the agenda.

[0:41:20] Trustee Patrick: Sorry for missing that item.

[0:41:21] Trustee Patrick: It was clearly written in my notes.

[0:41:23] Trustee Patrick: Our next meeting is going to be on July 2nd.

[0:41:26] Trustee Patrick: I can't believe what happened in June, but something happened to it,

[0:41:29] Trustee Patrick: and we're talking about July.

[0:41:31] Trustee Patrick: with that if there's no further business a motion to adjourn

[0:41:35] Trustee Patrick: we'll move by uh trustee elliott seconded by vice or mod and um we are adjourned