Islands Trust Council community information meeting, September 29, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 9: All right, I think we're ready then.

[0:00:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, good afternoon. I'm going to call this to order this regular meeting of the Maine Island Local Trust Committee. I'll tell you who I am and why I'm here.

[0:00:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): We are live streaming and recording this meeting. We always open by acknowledging how fortunate we are to be able to gather today in the unceded and treaty territories of many Coast Salish First Nations, particularly the Sartlip First Nation.

[0:00:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Last week was the Union of BC Municipalities conference in Victoria, and there were two flag-raising events of the Survivors flag, both at the Government House and at the Legislature.

[0:00:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): At the Legislature, College and Elder Eddie Charlie delivered the most heartfelt address of the ongoing impacts of residential schools and from denialism.

[0:01:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): tomorrow i hope you take the day to think about the truth behind the residential schools

[0:01:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): and understanding if you've got your orange jacket or shirt please please uh wear the colors

[0:01:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): tomorrow out of respect so i'm laura patrick i'm elected

[0:01:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): on salisbury and i'm subbing today

[0:01:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): for uh your normal chair toby elliott who's not feeling well i believe she's probably watching

[0:01:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): from afar. And I'm joined today by trustees Janine Dobb, and trustee David Vaughn, who's like,

[0:01:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): give me some water. So together, we're your local trust committee. We have a number of staff with

[0:01:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): us today that I'd like to introduce. We have senior planner Marissa Chadwick. We have planner

[0:01:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Bruce Belcher. In the in the air we have senior policy advisor Jason Yeomans

[0:02:03] Voice 14: and

[0:02:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): Carly Bilney is doing our minutes and we have Emily Bryant who is the master making it

[0:02:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): all work behind the scenes. So this meeting is an official forum for your

[0:02:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and to

[0:02:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): discuss relevant business. This is also a place of employment and our staff have

[0:02:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): have the right to a safe and respectful workplace.

[0:02:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): There's going to be multiple times on the agenda

[0:02:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): for you to speak.

[0:02:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I will go through that in a few moments,

[0:02:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): all those different times and what they're all about.

[0:02:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): But first we have an agenda before us trustees.

[0:02:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there any additions or changes to the agenda?

[0:02:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): So can we approve the agenda through general consent?

[0:02:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right, I'm gonna go.

[0:02:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have four opportunities to talk today.

[0:02:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): And so I'm going to explain it to you here so that we can understand how it works.

[0:03:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we're going to first open with a general town hall meeting.

[0:03:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): This is your opportunity to ask us any questions about applications on the agenda today or other questions of business of this local trust committee.

[0:03:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): Then we're going to have a segue into the trust policy statement.

[0:03:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): so hold your comments about the trust policy statement from the first section for the second

[0:03:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): second step just a 30,000 foot highlight of what the trust policy statement is and we'll engage in

[0:03:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): a conversation with you about the trust policy statement then we're going to have a community

[0:03:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): information meeting about the rezoning uh for bylaws 194 and 195 and that will be divided into

[0:03:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): the two sections the first will be when we talk about just understanding what it is your questions

[0:03:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): of clarification and so forth then there's the public hearing and that's the place where you

[0:03:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): can state your opinion i like it or i don't like it or what your opinion is of of that um of that

[0:04:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): those bylaws thank

[0:04:04] Voice 7: you

[0:04:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): so bear with me i might ask you if you're talking i might say can you

[0:04:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): just hold that thought and come back in the next section so that we can kind of keep those

[0:04:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversations. I really appreciate it. And that's really to help us all have that conversation.

[0:04:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): So public comment period or the first town hall is your opportunity to speak,

[0:04:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): wanting to hear your questions and comments, and later we'll be discussing various topics

[0:04:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): and making decisions. Applicants will have an opportunity to speak during the time that we're

[0:04:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): considering considering your applications um and when addressing the local trust committee

[0:04:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): direct your comments to us not the audience or staff speak about issues not individuals

[0:04:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): and be clear concise respectful i'm not going to run a clock but if you're starting to repeat

[0:04:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): yourself i might ask you to wrap up okay so is this is there anyone that wants to talk to us in

[0:05:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): and the general first part of the town hall.

[0:05:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any questions or comments?

[0:05:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): That makes it real easy.

[0:05:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): We're gonna move along.

[0:05:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): So then we're gonna move into the policy statement piece

[0:05:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): and I'm gonna invite our senior policy analyst

[0:05:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): or whatever your title is.

[0:05:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): I gotta go back and look at it.

[0:05:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): See, I haven't even seen it for advisor.

[0:05:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): Senior policy advisor, Jason Yeomans

[0:05:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): to give us sort of a highlight

[0:05:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the trust policy statement.

[0:05:31] Voice 1: So over to you.

[0:05:32] Voice 1: Sure. Thank you, Chair Patrick, and thank you, Main Island Local Trust Committee,

[0:05:36] Voice 1: for the invitation to be here today. Am I linked up to a screen if I wanted to share one? No?

[0:05:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): Not whatsoever.

[0:05:44] Voice 1: Fantastic. I think that might even be better.

[0:05:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, mine for you.

[0:05:48] Voice 1: Sure. So the purpose of this space on the agenda today is really to set out some time

[0:05:54] Voice 1: for community members on Main Island to tell their local trust committee what you think of

[0:06:01] Voice 1: the proposed new draft policy statement or indeed to ask any questions of either your trustees or

[0:06:06] Voice 1: staff who are here to support that. If you have any, I'll just give you a brief overview of some

[0:06:13] Voice 1: of the key points in the new policy statement, the draft policy statement that you may wish to

[0:06:19] Voice 1: consider. My name is Jason Yeomans. I'm a Senior Policy Advisor with the Islands Trust. I've been

[0:06:25] Voice 1: helping provide project management and policy development on this project for the past year.

[0:06:30] Voice 1: I'm coming to you today from the territory of the Lekwungen people, now known as the

[0:06:35] Voice 1: Songhees and Esquimalt Nations in the city that we call Victoria.

[0:06:40] Voice 1: I think, sorry, I'm just going to jumble a few things around here.

[0:06:45] Voice 1: Without the aid of my PowerPoint presentation, I'm a little bit lost.

[0:06:52] Voice 1: So I think it's always important to start when talking about the Islands Trust and with

[0:06:56] Voice 1: the Islands Trust Policy Statement about the Islands Trust object, which is that the object

[0:06:59] Voice 1: Object of the Islands Trust is to preserve and protect the trust area and its unique amenities and environment for the benefit of the residents of the trust area and of British Columbia generally, in cooperation with municipalities, regional districts, improvement districts, First Nations, and other persons and organizations and the government of British Columbia.

[0:07:18] Voice 1: Within the Islands Trust Act, which was created in 1974, you will find section 15 of the Act

[0:07:26] Voice 1: which says that the trust council must, by bylaw, adopt a trust policy statement that

[0:07:37] Voice 1: applies to the trust area and that that trust policy statement must be a general statement

[0:07:43] Voice 1: of the policies of the trust council to carry out the object of the trust, may establish

[0:07:47] Voice 1: different policies for different parts of the trust area and has no effect for the purposes

[0:07:53] Voice 1: of subsection four unless it is approved by the minister. And subsection four in that clause

[0:07:58] Voice 1: refers to the fact that trust council may use the island's trust policy statement to adjudicate

[0:08:04] Voice 1: whether local bylaws, so for example, main island OCP bylaws or regulatory bylaws, are consistent

[0:08:11] Voice 1: with the island's trust policy statement and the broader vision that it creates for the island's

[0:08:17] Voice 1: trust area as a whole. So the islands trust policy statement is essentially the islands trust

[0:08:22] Voice 1: highest level policy document, and it filters down to all the other work that gets done in

[0:08:28] Voice 1: the islands trust. So the policy statement sets a broad vision for the islands trust region as a

[0:08:33] Voice 1: whole. And then in local trust areas, such as the main island local trust area, other policy

[0:08:40] Voice 1: documents, such as your official community plan, must be generally consistent with the vision set

[0:08:45] Voice 1: forward in the policy statement. From there, of course, your regulatory bylaws, your land use

[0:08:50] Voice 1: bylaw in this case, must be consistent with your OCP, which in turn must be consistent with the

[0:08:55] Voice 1: policy statement. Then, of course, that all influences what takes place in your island

[0:09:00] Voice 1: landscape and how land use changes or do not change on your islands over time.

[0:09:09] Voice 1: The Islands Trust Policy Statement is also used in a couple of other ways within the Islands Trust.

[0:09:13] Voice 1: Trust. It generally forms the foundation for strategic planning initiatives within the

[0:09:18] Voice 1: Islands Trust. So when a new Islands Trust Council is elected and wants to form a strategic plan for

[0:09:24] Voice 1: its term that it has in office, it may want to turn to the Islands Trust policy statement

[0:09:28] Voice 1: to see what objectives or goals that policy statement has and how the Islands Trust Council

[0:09:35] Voice 1: may want to use its term in office to advance the goals and objectives that are laid out in

[0:09:40] Voice 1: in the policy statement. As I mentioned before, it's used as a lens through which to review

[0:09:45] Voice 1: official community plans and regulatory bylaws to ensure that those are consistent with the vision

[0:09:49] Voice 1: for the Islands Trust area as a whole. And it also forms the foundation for intergovernmental

[0:09:54] Voice 1: relationships that the Islands Trust forms with different levels of government. So when the

[0:10:00] Voice 1: Islands Trust sets out to develop agreements with the federal government or with the provincial

[0:10:04] Voice 1: government or with Indigenous governing bodies that have territorial interests in the Islands

[0:10:09] Voice 1: Trust, it looks to the policy statement to inform what should be at the centre of those relationships

[0:10:15] Voice 1: that we form. You may be curious to know how will a new policy statement impact you

[0:10:25] Voice 1: if you happen to be a landowner on Main Island or any islands in the Islands Trust area. In the

[0:10:31] Voice 1: short term, the Islands Trust policy statement will not really have any impact on you unless

[0:10:37] Voice 1: unless you are looking to amend the official community plan or the land use bylaw for your

[0:10:41] Voice 1: island as it applies to your land, and if you are wanting to amend the OCP or the land use bylaw as

[0:10:47] Voice 1: it applies to your land, then whatever bylaw amendments are proposed will wind up being put

[0:10:53] Voice 1: through the filter of the new policy statement to ensure that whatever it is that you want to do

[0:10:57] Voice 1: on your land is generally consistent with the greater vision that Trust Council has set forth

[0:11:02] Voice 1: for the Islands Trust Area as a whole. In the medium term, as local bylaws are amended to come

[0:11:12] Voice 1: into alignment with the new policy statement, this may result in more ways to use your land,

[0:11:18] Voice 1: fewer ways to use your land, or different ways to use your land, depending on the decisions that

[0:11:22] Voice 1: your local trust committee makes to bring their local bylaws into alignment with the greater

[0:11:27] Voice 1: policy statement. Sorry, I'm just shuffling through a deck of slides here that was part

[0:11:36] Voice 1: of my larger presentation on this, just trying to see what high points I might want to hit.

[0:11:40] Voice 1: The process to amend the policy statement has been underway since 2019 during which there have

[0:11:46] Voice 1: been several phases of community engagement, engagement with Indigenous governing bodies,

[0:11:51] Voice 1: and engagement with the other government agencies that we do business with on a regular basis,

[0:11:56] Voice 1: regional districts, the provincial government, the federal government, to ensure that we understand

[0:12:00] Voice 1: what their vision is for the Islands Trust area and incorporate that appropriately into a new

[0:12:07] Voice 1: Islands Trust policy statement. The draft policy statement that we're hoping to discuss today and

[0:12:14] Voice 1: will be discussing for the next several months was given first reading by Islands Trust Council

[0:12:18] Voice 1: on July the 29th of this year. And that set off a new phase of community engagement that's going

[0:12:24] Voice 1: to last for six months, during which time we currently have an online survey that is available

[0:12:31] Voice 1: for all residents of the trust area and beyond, if they so choose,

[0:12:35] Voice 1: to fill out and share your perspectives on the new draft policy statement.

[0:12:39] Voice 1: If you visit our project webpage for this project,

[0:12:43] Voice 1: which is islandstrust.bc.ca slash programs slash islands 2050,

[0:12:49] Voice 1: you will find a link to the draft policy statement

[0:12:51] Voice 1: as well as a link to the online survey that's available.

[0:12:54] Voice 1: And that's the primary mechanism by which we are gathering public feedback

[0:12:58] Voice 1: on this draft policy statement.

[0:13:01] Voice 1: At the same time that that survey is open, which will be open until February of 2026, we've also referred the document out to all of the Indigenous governing bodies and other government agencies with whom we partner on work in the Islands Trust area.

[0:13:15] Voice 1: area. Once the sort of six-month engagement window closes in the spring of 2026, we're going to

[0:13:24] Voice 1: report back, we being staff, are going to report back to Islands Trust Council with all of the

[0:13:29] Voice 1: feedback that we've received during that time, suggestions to revise the document based on some

[0:13:34] Voice 1: of the information that we've received. Your elected trustees will likely come with some of

[0:13:39] Voice 1: their own recommendations for revision as a result of what they've been hearing from their local

[0:13:44] Voice 1: constituents and their community so this meeting today on main island is an opportunity to to help

[0:13:49] Voice 1: inform whatever you want your local trustees to carry forward to trust council when it comes time

[0:13:58] Voice 1: to take another look at the draft policy statement and make any further changes all of this in the

[0:14:04] Voice 1: hopes that before the next local government elections in british columbia which come in

[0:14:08] Voice 1: in the fall of 2026, we will be able to adopt a new policy statement for the Islands Trust.

[0:14:17] Voice 1: So I think for now, that concludes sort of my opening remarks. Happy to sort of flesh that out

[0:14:22] Voice 1: if there's anything that trustees feel that I've missed. But other than that, I'm here to answer

[0:14:26] Voice 1: any questions that the audience for today's meeting might have. Thank you.

[0:14:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, thank you. And I know it's difficult not having a presentation, but we have lots of time

[0:14:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): time to come back and have this conversation more than once so this isn't something this isn't your

[0:14:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): only opportunity today i think what's important too so this policy as you understand is an overall

[0:14:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): overreaching for all of the islands and this this opportunity that your trustees want to have with

[0:14:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): you is about how does it look through the lens of main island um are there policies that the draft

[0:15:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): policies that may look different here or have a different outcome that we should be aware of

[0:15:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): because we can still change the policy or is there are there things missing on those type of things

[0:15:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): so this is our real chance to look at it how it might land here and are there any um opportunities

[0:15:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): to improve the document you

[0:15:21] Voice 8: two want to say anything else no i don't know how many people

[0:15:25] Voice 8: would have i've read i read the draft a few times the important part is that we have our original

[0:15:32] Voice 8: So our past policy statement was done in the early 90s.

[0:15:36] Voice 8: So it's very outdated.

[0:15:37] Voice 8: And the important pieces here are that we're addressing climate change,

[0:15:41] Voice 8: which we know is happening.

[0:15:42] Voice 8: And that's words are in this new document talking about that.

[0:15:47] Voice 8: And mostly, more importantly, is reconciliation,

[0:15:50] Voice 8: what our responsibilities are to consult.

[0:15:53] Voice 8: So those are two major improvements.

[0:15:56] Voice 8: The rest of the policy statement basically, in my opinion,

[0:15:59] Voice 8: is still talking about the same core values that we all have for our island which is to see

[0:16:06] Voice 8: development that suits an island community with obvious some challenges in terms of water

[0:16:12] Voice 8: transportation um so like i've not noted anything

[0:16:17] Voice 8: that any concern or any major change

[0:16:19] Voice 8: and i think everything's personally everything that's in here are common sense good policies

[0:16:25] Voice 8: If anybody now has anything specifically that they're concerned about in the policy statement.

[0:16:33] Voice 8: Are

[0:16:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): there any questions? Raise hands. Does anyone have any questions about the policy statement?

[0:16:41] Voice 9: Oh, you're all here for the public hearing.

[0:16:45] Voice 4: Is it reasonable to describe it that policy statement is the overarching and there are actually policies underneath it?

[0:16:53] Voice 4: Yes. Civic policies, but they're not in that statement, though.

[0:16:56] Voice 4: They

[0:16:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): are. There are three types of policies in the statement. One, they call them

[0:17:00] Voice 4: guiding policies, which are just...

[0:17:02] Voice 4: But do those exist, those policies, or they're going to be developed?

[0:17:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): There's a draft document available. I do encourage you to read it. So there's a draft with general policies, directive policies, and advisory policies.

[0:17:15] Voice 4: And my question really leads to, there are policies exist now?

[0:17:20] Voice 4: Oh, yes.

[0:17:20] Voice 4: There is

[0:17:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): a trust policy statement in place today. It was from the 1990s.

[0:17:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): Early 1990s.

[0:17:27] Voice 4: And that will get taken out completely and replaced with this?

[0:17:30] Voice 4: This

[0:17:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): would be replacing it.

[0:17:31] Voice 8: But a lot of what's in that policy statement from the

[0:17:34] Voice 8: 90s is still the core values of that.

[0:17:37] Voice 8: It's not like I would say we haven't thrown all of it.

[0:17:40] Voice 8: Those all that have come out with all new basically changed some of the wording to be appropriate to what we have today.

[0:17:46] Voice 8: Okay. So

[0:17:47] Voice 8: I'm still unclear

[0:17:49] Voice 4: if there are policy documents specific to certain aspects of it

[0:17:53] Voice 4: that we're not seeing in this statement document.

[0:17:57] Voice 4: No,

[0:17:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): this statement stands on its own. So this is the overall policy statement.

[0:18:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's a complete set of policies that then guide the work that you do here on the islands?

[0:18:09] Voice 8: Yes, 4 to 17 pages.

[0:18:13] Voice 4: Okay, so then one specific question and on on page seven I think of the document you're

[0:18:19] Voice 4: referring to the top it says the policy statement represents the Trust Council's vision for

[0:18:23] Voice 4: the preservation protection etc. Is there a vision document or this is the vision?

[0:18:28] Voice 4: This is the vision. This

[0:18:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): collective document articulates the vision.

[0:18:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, okay. Thank you. Any other questions or comments?

[0:18:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes, go ahead.

[0:18:39] Voice 23: One of my concerns after reading the document

[0:18:41] Voice 23: was it

[0:18:43] Voice 23: looks like quite an expanded mandate

[0:18:45] Voice 23: for Island's Trust,

[0:18:47] Voice 23: specifically reconciliation and

[0:18:49] Voice 23: climate change. Are you very confident

[0:18:51] Voice 23: that the expertise is represented

[0:18:53] Voice 23: at the board

[0:18:55] Voice 23: to deal with these issues?

[0:18:58] Voice 23: It seemed to be all encompassing, just about

[0:19:00] Voice 23: everything.

[0:19:03] Voice 23: This is just a comment,

[0:19:05] Voice 23: just a caution. It just seemed like

[0:19:07] Voice 23: an expanded mandate, but

[0:19:08] Voice 23: but it leads to so many different facets of our communities.

[0:19:17] Voice 23: And my concern is, do you have the time and the expertise

[0:19:22] Voice 23: to deal with issues that are going to come up under this new policy?

[0:19:28] Voice 8: I was going to say, it's certainly going to be a challenge

[0:19:31] Voice 8: because we, funding-wise, I mean, the capacity right now,

[0:19:36] Voice 8: realistically right now, we consult and we spend a lot of time.

[0:19:39] Voice 8: and every time that you change our OCP or our bylaws,

[0:19:44] Voice 8: those are referred to First Nations, and they take time.

[0:19:47] Voice 8: Over the years, we've increased staff to help us with these,

[0:19:51] Voice 8: but nonetheless, the more we delve into this whole area,

[0:19:55] Voice 8: and we're obligated because we're the ones who make the land use decisions,

[0:19:58] Voice 8: and this is what our job is.

[0:20:01] Voice 8: So, yes, financially, it's going to be more of a burden in the future, I would say.

[0:20:05] Voice 8: Does that mean financially

[0:20:06] Voice 23: it's going to be more taxed?

[0:20:08] Voice 8: Well, I think no matter what.

[0:20:09] Voice 8: Islands Trust Council and taxes that you're

[0:20:11] Voice 8: paying and what we are going to have to do

[0:20:14] Voice 8: in the future is lobby

[0:20:15] Voice 8: the province to recognize

[0:20:17] Voice 8: that we're a very small agency

[0:20:19] Voice 8: 31, that's the other problem

[0:20:22] Voice 8: here, it's not a problem

[0:20:23] Voice 8: we have good relationships

[0:20:25] Voice 8: we have as a

[0:20:27] Voice 8: local government the single largest

[0:20:29] Voice 8: number of First Nations

[0:20:32] Voice 8: that we are responsible for

[0:20:33] Voice 8: so each one is an

[0:20:36] Voice 8: individual group and

[0:20:37] Voice 8: And so I think that that places a huge extra burden on us,

[0:20:41] Voice 8: that the province needs to recognize it.

[0:20:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's

[0:20:46] Voice 23: my concern too.

[0:20:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, I think more of the fundamental issue is the document

[0:20:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): hasn't been updated in over 30 years.

[0:20:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): 30 years ago, our understanding of reconciliation

[0:20:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): and where we were was almost non-existent, to be quite sad.

[0:21:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): So when you update a document in 30-year chunks,

[0:21:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): things do change dramatically.

[0:21:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): But hopefully, I think there's going to be an implementation part to this document that we don't want to let this happen like this again, that it should be updated iteratively and more often, so that there aren't these like leaps in policy that it looks like.

[0:21:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): We're basically catching up. It's not that it's a leap. We've been doing this work. We have been doing the work that's articulated. We just haven't had the policies behind. We kind of got out ahead of the policy.

[0:21:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): So now we're having policy that matches where we are.

[0:21:39] Voice 8: Yeah, quite true. I mean, this is not all totally brand new stuff here, by any means, but as we delve more into all of the requirements and all of the relationships that are being built now that, you know, when I started as a trustee, it just was not that level at all.

[0:21:55] Voice 8: whereas now there's a there's an interest and an ability to both the

[0:22:00] Voice 8: staff and localities to actually be much more involved, which

[0:22:03] Voice 8: I think all of us

[0:22:04] Voice 8: will definitely benefit from that. I mean you can see the huge economic and just a

[0:22:09] Voice 8: huge cooperation is a positive, but the bottom line is if there's those

[0:22:15] Voice 8: relationships going and growing, it's going to be financially pushy. The

[0:22:22] Voice 8: The climate change stuff, I don't see.

[0:22:25] Voice 8: Obviously, we've always said it's going to be water and grouchy,

[0:22:28] Voice 8: and it's going to be more about managing and new development.

[0:22:32] Voice 23: Some of my concern was the potential redundancy with other government bodies,

[0:22:39] Voice 23: which already seems to be some confusion in the general public, of course.

[0:22:45] Voice 23: It was just a caution.

[0:22:46] Voice 23: It seems like

[0:22:47] Voice 23: it's expanding beyond the capabilities of the time frame of the trustees and the

[0:22:56] Voice 23: finances, where it's going to come from.

[0:22:58] Voice 8: Unfortunately, we have the key and core responsibility, which is the zoning, the use of the water.

[0:23:06] Voice 8: So we actually have authority to protect heritage sites, to be sure that we're not stepping

[0:23:12] Voice 8: on toes.

[0:23:13] Voice 8: so we really are at the top but we're not so what the CRD might be doing or province you know I know

[0:23:19] Voice 8: it's confusing because there's all these layers but unfortunately or fortunately for us you know

[0:23:24] Voice 8: we're at the top in terms of the ultimate say of how the community will grow I

[0:23:31] Trustee Maude (probable): guess just to

[0:23:32] Trustee Maude (probable): sort of address my concern a little bit um it's important sort of to say that this isn't a choice

[0:23:41] Trustee Maude (probable): or something that we've elected to do.

[0:23:44] Trustee Maude (probable): The province, the minister has given us a very strong direction

[0:23:48] Trustee Maude (probable): that we have to do this.

[0:23:50] Trustee Maude (probable): So we can't sort of take this and say we're not interested

[0:23:54] Trustee Maude (probable): or we don't have the capacity or we don't have the ability.

[0:23:58] Trustee Maude (probable): The minister has made it perfectly clear that we must embrace this

[0:24:01] Trustee Maude (probable): and work with it, which is what we're doing.

[0:24:04] Trustee Maude (probable): So, and yeah, undoubtedly it's going to tax our resources,

[0:24:09] Trustee Maude (probable): but we're following orders.

[0:24:12] Trustee Maude (probable): So, it's not an elected thing, it's something that we've been told that we must do, and we're trying to do it with our very best abilities, and we have some excellent staff on board that are really helping us with it.

[0:24:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): The object of the Islands Trust has always said to be working in cooperation with, and I think as an organization, sometimes those words fall off and you don't think of what that means.

[0:24:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): we have to do land use planning

[0:24:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): in cooperation with a lot of

[0:24:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): other bodies, the CRE

[0:24:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): improvement districts and others that need

[0:24:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): to be working with us

[0:24:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): when we do land use planning

[0:24:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): I was

[0:24:53] Voice 8: just going to say

[0:24:54] Voice 8: the other, this is

[0:24:56] Voice 8: to me even a confusing document

[0:24:58] Voice 8: but what is really good in this new document

[0:25:00] Voice 8: the glossary of terms are very black

[0:25:02] Voice 8: and white, you know exactly what colonialism

[0:25:04] Voice 8: is and then

[0:25:06] Voice 8: it's also, you've got the three different

[0:25:08] Voice 8: you've got directive policies which means you must but you've got the advisory you've got all

[0:25:13] Voice 8: these other options in there that every individual island can actually take a lot of what they're

[0:25:20] Voice 8: planning to do with growth and development and shape it to what suits their community because

[0:25:24] Voice 8: we are 13 different communities with very different needs so i think this is a huge

[0:25:30] Voice 8: improvement in here that we've spent what six years working on so i and the people have done

[0:25:36] Voice 8: And the hard work, I mean, the committees, I mean, they're fabulous.

[0:25:40] Voice 8: I have no, you know, I've gone through it,

[0:25:42] Voice 8: I have no qualms about most of it.

[0:25:44] Voice 8: The language is flexible enough that it can be shaped to what suits our community.

[0:25:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): Did we have another question?

[0:25:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): Was there another question?

[0:25:54] Voice 4: Can I just stop off of Brian's?

[0:25:55] Voice 4: One of the things that came to mind when Brian was asked that question,

[0:25:58] Voice 4: and you mentioned about, you know, it's going to tax our resources.

[0:26:01] Voice 4: I think there is a concern if we all say, this is great, we should go ahead with it,

[0:26:04] Voice 4: and next year you come back and say it's going to tax you we're going to have to double our taxes

[0:26:09] Voice 4: and but you already said yes to this because you thought it was a good idea and now we've got some

[0:26:14] Voice 4: some problems of implementing it or should we be concerned about that i

[0:26:19] Voice 8: think our tax

[0:26:22] Voice 8: within the island's trust is ongoing it goes up on a regular basis a lot of what is in here i mean

[0:26:27] Voice 8: most of what's in here we're already doing so as we said about reconciliation a lot of what we're

[0:26:32] Voice 8: We've been doing this for a long time.

[0:26:33] Voice 8: We have added

[0:26:34] Voice 8: staff over time.

[0:26:35] Voice 8: I do think the duty to consult and actually a lot of

[0:26:40] Voice 8: our First Nations groups are 300 people.

[0:26:44] Voice 8: So that's where you can see us having to, I think, increase funding to allow them to have more of a say at the table.

[0:26:52] Voice 8: Because right

[0:26:53] Voice 8: now, with the average smaller bands, I mean, they don't have the resources to actually be really involved.

[0:26:59] Voice 8: all but that would be largely if you were

[0:27:01] Voice 8: planning a huge amount of development or a complicated

[0:27:04] Voice 8: rezoning application that where you would want the first nations that are concerned and involved

[0:27:11] Voice 8: to be funded but we actually have staff we have we also have we have staff specific but our staff

[0:27:17] Voice 8: in general have gone through all sorts of programs so they're quite well aware of what the requirement

[0:27:22] Voice 8: and the relationships are going to be built so i don't think it's like all of a sudden we're going

[0:27:26] Voice 8: have this huge increase in cost as as operating as we do now but nonetheless the reality is that

[0:27:34] Voice 8: to bring people in and to actually discuss what they want to see in their particular territory

[0:27:39] Voice 8: do they have to provide travel and what various amounts of funding would you send a referral out

[0:27:46] Voice 8: now because without sending funding i can't remember now don't we basically fund some of

[0:27:50] Voice 8: capacity funding yeah so that's where but in terms of the whole island trust budget

[0:27:57] Voice 8: it's not a

[0:27:58] Voice 8: huge no and

[0:28:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): the other is as as you've been doing your projects you have a housing

[0:28:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): project staff have been drawing from these new policies in the work that we're doing from so

[0:28:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's we've been looking forward we've been behaving under these newer policies without

[0:28:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): without the policies being in place.

[0:28:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's not going to be a big swing

[0:28:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): in what you're gonna see from the work that's being done

[0:28:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): because it is being done.

[0:28:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's just, it hasn't been supported by policy.

[0:28:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any other questions on this?

[0:28:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think it's important to read the document.

[0:28:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): I really, really encourage you to read the document.

[0:28:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's up to these trustees.

[0:28:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): Do not have to answer to the referral today.

[0:28:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's we have time to hold off to other meetings so I think you have some more

[0:28:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversations think about what this means if there are opportunities to make

[0:29:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): it better or questions of how it might look if it wasn't implemented here what

[0:29:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): would be a difference from what we're already doing these are good

[0:29:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversations to have with your local trustees and

[0:29:14] Trustee Maude (probable): I think support you know

[0:29:15] Trustee Maude (probable): this will have the online opportunity to feedback but also there should be in the

[0:29:19] Trustee Maude (probable): library hard copies that you can mail in so so there's lots of opportunity for feedback you see

[0:29:26] Trustee Maude (probable): both of us on the ferry all the time so feel free to come talk to us and this is all about getting

[0:29:33] Trustee Maude (probable): that feedback to make sure we make the right decisions so thank you and

[0:29:37] Voice 8: ultimately as i think

[0:29:38] Voice 8: jason said at the beginning if you're sitting on a residential piece of property and you're having

[0:29:42] Voice 8: intentions of planning for rezoning to subdivide it into six lots the impact of the policy statement

[0:29:48] Voice 8: on the average property owner on the main island unless your neighbor decides to do something

[0:29:54] Voice 8: it's simply not there this this is about new development this is about

[0:30:00] Voice 8: for a use permit this is about variances that's where you go to the policy statement to make sure

[0:30:04] Voice 8: that whatever you're doing any change you're making in your official community plan or your

[0:30:09] Voice 8: vital conforms to the policy statement the average you know whether

[0:30:13] Voice 8: if you want to add on to your

[0:30:14] Voice 8: your building and building permit from the crd as long as you're staying within the setbacks

[0:30:19] Voice 8: it's a policy statement it's got nothing to do with your average day-to-day life

[0:30:24] Voice 8: Are there

[0:30:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): any other questions?

[0:30:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, thank you very much.

[0:30:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): And like I said, please read it.

[0:30:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): Really encourage you to read it and continue the conversation.

[0:30:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): Before I let Jason go, when are we trying to wrap up in February?

[0:30:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is it this section?

[0:30:47] Voice 1: Yeah, that's right, Chair Patrick.

[0:30:48] Voice 1: The survey will be open until February 6th.

[0:30:51] Voice 1: And so ideally, we would like to have our referral responses from each local trust committee in before then as well.

[0:30:57] Voice 1: will also be sort of winding down the agency and indigenous governing body referral

[0:31:03] Voice 1: period at that time, all with the intention of reporting back to Trust Council at its March

[0:31:09] Voice 1: meeting, March quarterly meeting.

[0:31:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): Super. I'll give you a little hint on the survey. If you

[0:31:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): haven't done the survey yet, there's a comment at the end of each block of policies. You can move

[0:31:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): the document back up and forth and work in the comments and keep going back up and looking at

[0:31:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): that policy so um you don't have to read the policies and then find the comment at the end

[0:31:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): you can move it up and down and uh

[0:31:33] Voice 1: if if anybody out there in the audience has any sort of technical

[0:31:37] Voice 1: or administrative questions about the document i'm certainly available uh to answer those and you can

[0:31:43] Voice 1: i won't describe how you can find me but you can find me these guys

[0:31:48] Voice 6: know where to find them

[0:31:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right well thank you thank you jason for being here today and i think we're going to

[0:31:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): move on to what you're probably more interested in talking about um that's all right with everyone

[0:32:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're going to move on to item 5.1 the agenda this is a rezoning application 2023.2 proposed

[0:32:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): bylaws 194 and 195 so this is the community information piece where staff are going to

[0:32:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): talk to you about the policies and then if you have any questions on understanding what these

[0:32:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): bylaws are sorry not policy bylaws um we can have a conversation after that so i'm going to turn the

[0:32:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): floor over to uh nurse atomic thank

[0:32:30] Voice 7: you uh yeah so these bylaws are relating are relating to um

[0:32:33] Voice 7: st john point park so you know it's owned by the crd they have a parks management fund in place

[0:32:39] Voice 7: um and um the bylaws changed the zoning the the um the zoning is uh it's split it's split

[0:32:49] Voice 7: zone property st john park points park it's agriculture and it was um agriculture and um

[0:32:55] Voice 7: and rural residential so the rural residential section has been um for the rural section

[0:33:01] Voice 7: there's been a change to resource conservation to reflect the importance of conservation in that area

[0:33:10] Voice 7: and the agricultural so the there's there's a site-specific zone within the agricultural

[0:33:16] Voice 7: portion of the property that has been zoned to allow what the CRD is referring to as their park

[0:33:24] Voice 7: pub so uh some additional parking it's um the toilet building a bike rack um a visitor information

[0:33:35] Voice 7: kiosk so if you had a chance to look at the map the map just identifies that in the in the

[0:33:41] Voice 7: agricultural area there's a new site specific zone that allows those specific things the crd

[0:33:49] Voice 7: applied to the agricultural land commission to get the permission to um to put those things in that

[0:33:56] Voice 7: area and we have uh it's been zoned very specifically related to what was permitted

[0:34:02] Voice 7: by the agricultural land commission so that's the lowdown um yeah the opportunity for you

[0:34:12] Voice 7: have

[0:34:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): any questions on the application?

[0:34:17] Voice 9: How many hectares the same time?

[0:34:24] Voice 19: 65 acres, so divide that by two and a half.

[0:34:34] And

[0:34:37] Voice 8: the area for the parking and the pit toilet is where the all the structures were, which

[0:34:46] Voice 8: who haven't been

[0:34:47] Voice 8: moved or excluded from the agricultural.

[0:34:50] Voice 8: So the rest is still agricultural.

[0:34:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any other questions?

[0:34:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): If

[0:34:57] Voice 4: there's no resistance from the community,

[0:34:59] Voice 4: is this likely to go ahead then?

[0:35:01] Voice 7: Yes.

[0:35:03] Voice 7: It's already gone through first and second reading.

[0:35:06] Voice 7: So this is going to look like a step to, well, almost a final step.

[0:35:10] Voice 7: So what happens is, well, I'll explain that when we get to the public hearing.

[0:35:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, that's great.

[0:35:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): The public hearing is the next step that's going to happen next.

[0:35:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): so this is your chance for clarification on the application and then we're gonna

[0:35:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): have the public hearing which is we're gonna hear from youth if you support it

[0:35:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): or not maybe

[0:35:29] Voice 8: just explain more detail but once a public hearing process starts

[0:35:33] Voice 8: it's a very formal where we don't answer questions and this is very informal yeah

[0:35:37] Voice 10: now it's

[0:35:37] Voice 8: so if you have any

[0:35:38] Voice 8: questions now is a good time some public hearings

[0:35:41] Voice 8: we get a huge opposition or supporter tough a tough sell and

[0:35:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): following when we

[0:35:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): close the public hearing later then when this this body cannot receive any more

[0:35:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): information about it. So this is your chance to ask some questions if you have

[0:35:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): any now.

[0:36:00] Voice 4: Will this be the only public hearing?

[0:36:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): This will be the only public

[0:36:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): hearing. There's no more questions.

[0:36:14] Voice 8: So CRD isn't represented here, but construction I think will not commence until next spring.

[0:36:23] Voice 8: I think we should be clear for those that are watching the parking lot now.

[0:36:28] Voice 8: I think that was part of the plan was that work will not get undertaken immediately on creating a

[0:36:34] Voice 8: larger parking lot.

[0:36:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): I see there's a Kevin Weber.

[0:36:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): Kevin, do you have anything that you wanted to add?

[0:36:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): We're just in the community information meeting portion of the conversation.

[0:36:45] Voice 15: Thank you.

[0:36:46] Voice 15: Yes, that's correct.

[0:36:47] Voice 15: And thanks for the overview, Nerissa.

[0:36:49] Voice 15: Yeah, we are intending to start construction late spring if everything goes well with these

[0:36:54] Voice 15: applications.

[0:36:56] Voice 15: Yeah, basically just waiting for the ground to dry out a bit so we don't damage the site

[0:37:00] Voice 15: necessarily.

[0:37:03] Voice 15: Next.

[0:37:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes, go ahead.

[0:37:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): How

[0:37:08] Voice 12: long will it take for all the work to be done?

[0:37:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Could you hear that question, Kevin?

[0:37:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): How long will it take for the work to be done?

[0:37:15] Voice 15: Yeah, I could hear it, thank you.

[0:37:17] Voice 15: I don't have a number off the top of my head

[0:37:20] Voice 15: because we haven't really engaged any contractors yet

[0:37:22] Voice 15: to get an idea about what their timelines might be like,

[0:37:25] Voice 15: but I imagine the works, when all is said and done,

[0:37:28] Voice 15: it will certainly be finished by the summer.

[0:37:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you.

[0:37:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any other questions?

[0:37:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right, I don't want to rush anything,

[0:37:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): but if we're going to be ready,

[0:37:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can start the public hearing process.

[0:37:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): It is going to be formal,

[0:37:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): and I'm going to have to read a lot and I'm sorry but that's we have to do things by the books for a

[0:37:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): public hearing so if we're ready and we're going to now enter into the next item which is the public

[0:37:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): hearing um and I guess I have to uh recess this meeting so that we may start the public hearing

[0:38:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): can we recess I guess we don't need a motion it's just through general consent to recess

[0:38:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): us. Okay, then I'm going to open the public hearing. So I'm going to open this public

[0:38:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): hearing. The public hearing is for the proposed bylaws 194 and 195 is now open. I wish to

[0:38:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): welcome everyone in attendance and acknowledge that we're meeting in the territory of the

[0:38:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): Coast Salish First Nations. My name is Laura Patrick. I am the alternate chair for the

[0:38:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): main island local trust committee and i'd like to introduce your local trustees janine dobbs

[0:38:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): and david mott i can't get the right order here um the staff we introduced earlier today

[0:38:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): but again we have nurse chadwick island and uh our senior planning uh planner nurse chadwick

[0:39:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): an island planner uh bruce belcher sorry my names aren't in here and um we have our uh

[0:39:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): minute takes so soon they didn't put the dreams in the script goodness gracious okay so the

[0:39:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): minute taker is carly bilney and um our admin in the back is emily bryant um i just want to

[0:39:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): take a check is there how many people plan to speak today not very many okay good so i was

[0:39:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): gonna say if there was a whole bunch of you i was gonna have you um but your name's on a list but so

[0:39:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I'll keep on going.

[0:39:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right.

[0:39:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): This public hearing is being convened

[0:39:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): pursuant to section 465 of the Local Government Act

[0:39:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): in order to consider the following proposed bylaws.

[0:39:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): Proposed bylaw number 194,

[0:39:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): cited as Maine Island Official Community Plan

[0:39:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): bylaw number 144, 2007, amendment number 1, 2024.

[0:40:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): And proposed bylaw number 195,

[0:40:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): 5 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number 1 2024 all persons who

[0:40:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): believe that their interest in the property is affected by the proposed bylaws will be given a

[0:40:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written submissions respecting the matters

[0:40:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): contained in the proposed bylaws those wishing to speak should commence their presentation by

[0:40:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): by clearly stating their names and address.

[0:40:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Members of the local trust committee may, if they wish,

[0:40:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): ask questions of you following your presentation.

[0:40:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): However, the main function

[0:40:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the local trust committee members

[0:40:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): is to listen to the views of the public.

[0:40:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): It is not the function of the committee members

[0:40:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): to debate the merits of the proposed bylaws

[0:40:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): with individual citizens.

[0:40:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[0:40:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): and none should feel discouraged from presenting their views.

[0:40:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): In other words, we do not clap or make any indication, just we want everyone to feel

[0:41:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): comfortable to express their views either way.

[0:41:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): And considering the proposed bylaws, the local trust committee has received documents which

[0:41:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): may influence its decisions.

[0:41:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): Those documents are available for review during this hearing.

[0:41:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): Do we have the binder?

[0:41:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Here's the binder.

[0:41:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): So any persons who wishes to present written submission to the local trust committee may do so, and all written submissions must be received by the local trust committee before the close of the hearing.

[0:41:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): So if you want to jot something down and submit it, I'll be taking my time to close the hearings, lots of time.

[0:41:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): after the public hearing has concluded the local trust committee may without further notice make

[0:41:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): what decision it deems proper with respect to the bylaws that that it is the subject of the public

[0:41:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): hearing okay island planner nurse chadwick will now summarize the public hearing notice key points

[0:42:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the bylaw and referral agency responses over to you planner chadwick

[0:42:05] Voice 7: so following process and

[0:42:07] Voice 7: protocol a copy of the notice indicating the what was happening rezoning with the map was um uh was

[0:42:17] Voice 7: posted on on the alistair's website and social media platforms and inserted in the september

[0:42:24] Voice 7: edition of the mainliner um there is a copy of the complete public hearing um information in this

[0:42:33] Voice 7: binder and located on the website. As I mentioned previously, the bylaws are related to the rezoning

[0:42:40] Voice 7: of St. John Point Park. It's a split zone lot. The portion that was rural is being

[0:42:51] Voice 7: changed to resource conservation. The portion that is agricultural will have a site-specific

[0:42:58] Voice 7: zone within the agricultural portion, which will accommodate what's been referred to as the park

[0:43:08] Voice 7: hub, which includes an entrance sign, 20 vehicle parking area, toilet building, bike rack, and

[0:43:17] Voice 7: visitor kiosk. As I mentioned previously, that zoning was, the use of that area was approved

[0:43:29] Voice 7: by the agricultural design commission and after that permission was provided we proceeded with

[0:43:35] Voice 7: identifying the site-specific zone. The proposed bylaws were referred to all of the relevant

[0:43:43] Voice 7: relevant agencies, including the number of First Nations that have interest in this area.

[0:43:53] Voice 7: We have not received any public submissions, sorry, we received three submissions in support.

[0:44:05] Voice 7: support. We have not received anything back from our referred agencies that are opposing

[0:44:17] Voice 7: the .

[0:44:18] Voice 7: All

[0:44:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): right. So submissions can be made at any time during the public hearing until

[0:44:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): the close of the hearing. If any submissions are received during the meeting, we will pause

[0:44:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): prior to closing to ensure the LTC has had time to review those submissions. I invite

[0:44:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): I invite members of the public who wish to speak

[0:44:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): to raise their hand.

[0:44:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): Please state your name prior to making your comments.

[0:44:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): And after your presentation,

[0:44:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): the LTC might ask questions of you,

[0:44:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): but we're here to listen, not debate the issues with you.

[0:44:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): So at the end, I'm gonna be having to call three times

[0:44:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): afterwards to see if there are anyone else

[0:45:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): that wants to speak.

[0:45:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): So who would like to address us at the hearing stage?

[0:45:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): Raise your hands.

[0:45:11] Voice 22: I made a mistake. I would say we don't want any more signage in CID paths by way of an aside.

[0:45:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay. Is there anyone else that would like to address us?

[0:45:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Ask a question.

[0:45:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): Questions are, this is, we're in the public hearing here, so this is

[0:45:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): Ask a question.

[0:45:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): I have to ask, I think, three times, so I'm going to ask us officially now a second time.

[0:45:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there anyone else that wishes to address us today or speak in the public hearing?

[0:45:59] Voice 19: My name is Malcolm Engle.

[0:46:00] Voice 19: I live at 278 Georgian Point Road on Main Island.

[0:46:06] Voice 19: I would phrase this as a question,

[0:46:08] Voice 19: but according to Brazil, I'll phrase it as an assertion.

[0:46:15] Voice 19: I'm hoping that the information kiosk will be

[0:46:20] Voice 19: of a size that's adequate for appropriate information

[0:46:25] Voice 19: about the First Nations victory on the land

[0:46:30] Voice 19: and the Japanese history at that site,

[0:46:34] Voice 19: as well as public, physical, trail information.

[0:46:42] Voice 19: Thank

[0:46:45] Voice 9: you. Anyone else?

[0:46:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I'm going to officially ask for a third time.

[0:46:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there anyone else that wishes to address public hearing today?

[0:47:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there anyone that has any written submissions that they wanted to provide?

[0:47:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right. We will now proceed to close the public hearing.

[0:47:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): Please note that after the public hearing closes,

[0:47:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): the local trust committee will no longer be able to receive public submissions prior to making a decision.

[0:47:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm supposed to ask, but I think I already asked it.

[0:47:43] Voice 4: I'm a bit confused. Is it reasonable you're going to assume that we're all in favor of it then?

[0:47:48] Voice 4: Or do we get a vote or we each have to say something?

[0:47:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): This was your opportunity to either speak against or...

[0:47:57] Voice 4: Okay, so I'd like to speak. I'm in favor of it.

[0:48:00] Voice 4: Al and Chalklin

[0:48:02] Voice 4: 587

[0:48:03] Voice 4: alright

[0:48:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you very much

[0:48:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): is there anyone else that wishes to speak

[0:48:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[0:48:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): already done the three asks

[0:48:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): so I'm going to please be advised

[0:48:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we are now in post

[0:48:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): public hearing stage of the legislative

[0:48:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): review of the proposed bylaws

[0:48:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): 194 and 195

[0:48:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): Maine Island Local Trust Committee can now

[0:48:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): no longer receive information

[0:48:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): pertaining to the proposed bylaws

[0:48:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): However, you can still submit any outstanding questions and comments directly to Planner

[0:48:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): Narissa Chadwick.

[0:48:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): The Local Trust Committee may give further readings to the bylaws or defeat the bylaw

[0:48:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): or make minor amendments that do not affect the use or density without further notice

[0:48:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): or hearings.

[0:48:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): And with that, I'm going to close the public hearing.

[0:48:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you for your patience and we're going to keep on moving through the agenda.

[0:49:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Agenda? Okay. So I'm recalling to order the regular meeting and we're going to proceed

[0:49:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): with item 7.1, which was the minutes from the July 28th meeting on page 42 of the agenda

[0:49:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): package. Are there any additions or changes to the minutes?

[0:49:19] Voice 8: Nothing actually.

[0:49:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): But

[0:49:21] Voice 8: excellent summary of our last meeting about our

[0:49:24] Voice 8: housing project. If anybody's wondering

[0:49:26] Voice 8: what we've been doing. Very detailed minutes on it. It was quite a somewhat heated discussion

[0:49:32] Voice 8: about more density and lack of water.

[0:49:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): If there are no additions or changes to the minutes, can we approve the minutes for general consent?

[0:49:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you.

[0:49:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): We also have at 7.2 is Section 26, resolutions without meetings.

[0:49:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): The report dated September 2025 on page 54 for your information.

[0:49:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): We're going to move to item 8.1, which is our follow-up action list, dated September 2025, on page 55 of the agenda.

[0:50:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'll look to staff, are there any items in the follow-up

[0:50:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): action list that need to be, that you'd like to bring to our attention?

[0:50:10] Voice 7: No.

[0:50:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustees, any questions to the staff on the follow-up action list?

[0:50:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right.

[0:50:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): We're going to keep moving right along, then.

[0:50:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): We've got an item, but we're now at item 10.1, which is correspondence.

[0:50:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): So there was one item of correspondence, a safety concern on Main Island on page 57.

[0:50:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustees, is there anything you'd like to do?

[0:50:40] Voice 8: For those

[0:50:40] Voice 8: that don't have the agenda package, there's a letter from, this is Walby, about the Glen Echo and about the fire road that goes between Wooddale and Glen Echo Road.

[0:50:51] Voice 8: And safety concerns about users of what's quite a popular walking trail.

[0:50:58] Voice 8: and there's a

[0:50:59] Voice 8: response that that she received that from Todd Shannon um that uh I'm not going

[0:51:05] Voice 10: to read

[0:51:05] Voice 8: out to you but if you're wondering I think there's a lot of conversation about the fact that

[0:51:10] Voice 8: the newest Glen Echo that

[0:51:12] Voice 8: the ridge the Mount Hart ridge um hasn't really had a lot of signage

[0:51:16] Voice 8: I think there's been a change on the gate down there though recently um but a lot of bicycles

[0:51:21] Voice 8: motorcycles a lot of traffic comes through that that area through the parks um and of course the

[0:51:27] Voice 1: that

[0:51:27] Voice 8: the traffic coming through that area impacts the residential properties on the Glen and coast side.

[0:51:34] Voice 8: So there is a letter,

[0:51:35] Voice 8: and if anyone's interested and wants to know what it is,

[0:51:39] Voice 8: send me an email and I'll send it to you.

[0:51:41] Voice 8: But it's all about safety.

[0:51:45] Voice 8: All right, so we'll just make

[0:51:46] Voice 8: sure that, like, from Village Bay through,

[0:51:49] Voice 8: I used to drive it long before it was a part of it.

[0:51:53] Voice 8: Very rough.

[0:51:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we'll receive your information then.

[0:51:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[0:51:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): Now we're going to move on to the applications and referral sections.

[0:52:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): 11.1 is a referral to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:52:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's on page 60 of the agenda package.

[0:52:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): I can explain to you, because I am on the Salt Spring Local Trust Committee,

[0:52:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): you would probably know it as the Salt Spring Yoga Center,

[0:52:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): a center school property.

[0:52:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): It was under an old land use contract,

[0:52:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): And so this is just bringing the zoning up to date because land use contracts are no longer valid under the Local Government Act.

[0:52:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): So this is just recognizing the uses that are there.

[0:52:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there any actions that you wish to take on this?

[0:52:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): I

[0:52:41] Voice 8: just move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee's interests are not impacted by proposed bylaw number 546, Oxford Island.

[0:52:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there a second?

[0:52:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): Second.

[0:52:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): Second by Trustee Maude.

[0:52:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): I assume that was heard all right I will call the vote all those in favor and that carries

[0:53:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): I

[0:53:05] Trustee Maude (probable): just would like to know thanks staff for adding in the suggested resolutions yes which has been

[0:53:11] Trustee Maude (probable): missing for many many years and we've asked and asked and asked and they're here now

[0:53:14] Trustee Maude (probable): we appreciate that efficiency excellent

[0:53:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): yes nice to see being caught up okay so the next item is

[0:53:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): 11.2 another salt spring island local trust committee referral uh proposed bylaw number

[0:53:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): 549 on page 64. uh just so you know what this one is actually it's a zoning of um uh it's

[0:53:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's changing just the it was already 50 units when it was

[0:53:44] Voice 12: 50 senior

[0:53:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): units now it's going to be

[0:53:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): 50 multi um family and to allow for subdivision on the property because the health clinic is on

[0:53:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): on the same property as this housing.

[0:53:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): So that's what that one is.

[0:53:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): I move that

[0:54:00] Voice 8: the main island local trustee's interests

[0:54:02] Voice 8: are not affected by bylaw number 549 Salt Spring Island.

[0:54:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there a second?

[0:54:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): Trustee Maude, any discussion?

[0:54:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): Call the vote.

[0:54:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): All those in favor?

[0:54:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): That carries.

[0:54:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, now we're gonna move on to 11.3,

[0:54:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): which is trust council bylaw number 183.

[0:54:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): This is the policy statement referral.

[0:54:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): pearl did you guys want to deal with that today or bring that back to a later meeting and bring it

[0:54:29] Voice 14: i

[0:54:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): think we

[0:54:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): should move on

[0:54:32] Voice 9: with that you know time is ticking so it's

[0:54:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): up it's up to you guys what

[0:54:41] Voice 9: you'd

[0:54:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): like to do i'm

[0:54:43] Voice 9: not sure where the motion is

[0:54:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): on page 68 i think

[0:54:48] Voice 9: we don't hate serious

[0:54:55] Voice 9: I

[0:54:58] Voice 8: move that the local trust committee recommend to the island's trust council that the proposed bylaw number are that the interests are unaffected by proposed bylaw number 183.

[0:55:11] Voice 8: Is

[0:55:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): there a second?

[0:55:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any discussion?

[0:55:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): discussion.

[0:55:17] Voice 8: Basically, this means we didn't, you know, so far, we haven't heard any huge amount

[0:55:22] Voice 8: of negativity. If you do have some negativity, you still have every opportunity to take that

[0:55:28] Voice 8: to trust counsel. I don't have any issues with the bylaw. I haven't heard any.

[0:55:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, I think this is

[0:55:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): just an official response to the referral. I think your local trustees would be still open ears to

[0:55:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): hear any concerns you might have on the trust policy statement so that we can make it the best

[0:55:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): it can be all right any further discussion i will follow up all those in paper and that carries

[0:55:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay now we're at 11.4 this is uh rezoning 2023.2 proposed bylaws number 194 and 195.

[0:56:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is this is the the items of the previous uh public hearing on page 75 of the agenda package

[0:56:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): package over to you senior planner Chadwick all

[0:56:18] Voice 7: right so this is our post-public hearing report

[0:56:21] Voice 7: with the recommendations for third reading for both bylaws as well as recommendations

[0:56:29] Voice 7: for the executive committee of the islands transfer approval bias the executive committee

[0:56:34] Voice 7: and and that the official community plan bylaw amendment to be forwarded to the ministry of

[0:56:42] Voice 7: for final approval. I have been through the nature of the rezoning a couple of times now,

[0:56:51] Voice 7: so I don't think I have to go through it again. I will mention though, in this report,

[0:56:56] Voice 7: the size of each safe job point is identified as 27 hectares.

[0:57:01] Voice 7: And yeah, so as mentioned previously, we did not receive any feedback that was against

[0:57:16] Voice 7: the by-law.

[0:57:21] Voice 7: The only concern that was raised through the process was by the ALC was very specific about

[0:57:31] Voice 7: how they want it to be, that the zoning should be very specific to the area where the Kiev is.

[0:57:41] Voice 7: The Wassonic Leadership Council has responded directly to the CRD. The CRD has been doing,

[0:57:48] Voice 7: reached out to First Nations as well as us doing our referrals and they are not opposed to the

[0:57:58] Voice 7: rezoning but they they have expressed interest in working with the CRD to

[0:58:02] Voice 7: monitor the development that might have happened there with the park hub and

[0:58:07] Voice 7: some other oversight the management of the park yeah the CRD at revs is here if

[0:58:17] Voice 7: you want to hear more about that I

[0:58:22] Voice 9: see so do you like to proceed I'll meet the

[0:58:25] Voice 9: first notion all right I

[0:58:27] Voice 8: know that the main local trust committee draft bylaw

[0:58:30] Voice 8: 194 cited as main island official community plan bylaw number 144 2007 amendment number one 2024

[0:58:39] Voice 8: be read for a third time

[0:58:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry second second by uh trustee mod any discussion i'll call a vote

[0:58:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): all those in favor and that carries move

[0:58:50] Voice 8: that the main island local trust committee draft bylaw 195

[0:58:53] Voice 8: require cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number 1 2024 be read for a

[0:59:02] Voice 8: third time second by trustee maude

[0:59:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): any discussion call the vote all those in favor that carries

[0:59:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): move

[0:59:10] Voice 8: that the main island local trust committee bylaw number 194 cited as main island official

[0:59:15] Voice 8: community plan bylaw number 144 2007 and then number 1 2022 be forwarded to the secretary of

[0:59:23] Voice 8: the islands trust for approval by the executive committee which is when the policy statement kicks

[0:59:27] Voice 8: in

[0:59:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): yes there is second second by uh trusty mod any discussion all the vote all those

[0:59:36] Voice 8: carries

[0:59:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): move

[0:59:38] Voice 8: it at the main local trust committee bylaw number 195 cited as main island official

[0:59:43] Voice 8: community plan bylaw number 144 2007 amendment number one 2022 be forward to the secretary

[0:59:50] Voice 8: secretary oh that's

[0:59:52] Voice 8: is that the same oh no sorry um the audience trust for approval by the executive

[0:59:56] Voice 8: committee oh

[0:59:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): is there a second

[1:00:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): seconded by trustee mod discussion all the vote all those in favor that carries and

[1:00:05] Voice 8: i move that

[1:00:05] Voice 8: the main trust committee bylaw 194

[1:00:08] Voice 8: cited is made on the official community plan bylaw number 144

[1:00:12] Voice 8: 2007 amendment number one 2022 before it is the ministry of affairs for approval because nothing

[1:00:20] Voice 8: that we do in an ocp can happen unless the government approves it minister municipal affairs

[1:00:26] Voice 8: has to approve.

[1:00:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there a second?

[1:00:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): Seconded by Trustee Mott.

[1:00:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any discussion? Call the vote.

[1:00:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): All those in favour? And that carries.

[1:00:36] Trustee Maude (probable): Just a question for staff.

[1:00:38] Trustee Maude (probable): I know in this staff

[1:00:39] Trustee Maude (probable): report, the font

[1:00:41] Trustee Maude (probable): is different. Is

[1:00:42] Trustee Maude (probable): that just

[1:00:43] Trustee Maude (probable): an error or is that

[1:00:44] Trustee Maude (probable): a new way we're going?

[1:00:45] Voice 7: No, that was just an error.

[1:00:47] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay.

[1:00:48] Voice 7: I

[1:00:48] Trustee Maude (probable): think I'm becoming a little bit harder to read.

[1:00:51] Trustee Maude (probable): Yeah,

[1:00:52] Voice 7: yeah. Sorry, that was an error.

[1:00:54] Voice 7: That's meant to be the

[1:00:56] Voice 7: font itself.

[1:00:57] Voice 7: that you see consistently throughout.

[1:00:59] Voice 8: I just had a question referring to Malcolm's comment.

[1:01:03] Voice 8: Obviously, the Senate Council will work with CRD on wording,

[1:01:07] Voice 8: but can we be sending a letter to CRD urging us to also consult with the Conservancy

[1:01:14] Voice 8: on the partnership on the wording that's going to be taught?

[1:01:18] Voice 8: Because it always seems a disconnect between what CRD does.

[1:01:24] Voice 19: I don't know.

[1:01:26] Voice 19: Oh, okay.

[1:01:27] Voice 19: um just off hand uh it wouldn't occur okay obviously yes

[1:01:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): would that be appropriate you you can certainly

[1:01:39] Voice 8: do that yeah do you want to

[1:01:40] Voice 8: to pass a resolution yeah so i i

[1:01:43] Voice 8: move that the main and local trust committee um request staff

[1:01:47] Voice 8: staff to write a letter to CRD regarding possible wordings on the on the kiosk and the signage

[1:01:57] Voice 8: that they consult with Main Island Conservancy to consult the covenant on that property?

[1:02:08] Voice 19: Well, the covenant, certainly, I was thinking about the information case, but yes, I was thinking as the motion was being dealt with, just silently, that the CRD does have the duty to consult with that conservancy that holds that covenant on the property.

[1:02:39] Voice 19: And the Conservancy itself has to consult with both Environment Canada to make sure that the terms of that covenant are being met.

[1:02:57] Voice 19: So the CRD is aware of that, and

[1:03:00] Voice 19: we do monitor the CRD's activities to ensure that they do meet those covenant terms, and the Conservancy does have a pretty good relationship with CRD.

[1:03:15] Voice 19: So do

[1:03:16] Voice 8: we need to send a letter to the CRD

[1:03:19] Voice 19: urging it?

[1:03:20] Voice 19: As I said, there's nothing wrong with doing it, and I appreciate you bringing it up.

[1:03:25] Voice 19: Well, okay, should we

[1:03:26] Voice 8: specifically say the Conservancy

[1:03:28] Voice 8: or just community?

[1:03:30] Voice 8: Conservancy.

[1:03:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): Conservancy, okay.

[1:03:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): Right, I think I was gonna say,

[1:03:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Carly, could you read back what you may have heard?

[1:03:37] Voice 13: Absolutely, one second.

[1:03:39] Voice 13: It was moved that Maine Island Local Trust Committee

[1:03:42] Voice 13: request staff to write a letter to CRD

[1:03:45] Voice 13: regarding possible wording on the kiosk and signage,

[1:03:48] Voice 13: and that they consult with Maine Island Conservancy

[1:03:50] Voice 13: regarding the covenant on the property.

[1:03:52] Voice 13: How

[1:03:55] Voice 8: about as per the covenant?

[1:04:00] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:04:01] Voice 13: I'll read it again.

[1:04:02] Voice 13: Sure.

[1:04:03] Voice 8: Please.

[1:04:03] Voice 13: Maine Island local trust committee request staff to write a letter to CRD regarding possible

[1:04:08] Voice 13: wording on the kiosk and signage and that they consult with Maine Island Conservancy

[1:04:12] Voice 13: as per the covenant on the property.

[1:04:14] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:04:15] Voice 19: Can I make one more clarification?

[1:04:17] Voice 19: The covenant on the property only applies to that area outside of the development area outside of the ALR area.

[1:04:33] Voice 19: However, the terms of the sale that were approved by Environment Canada apply to the whole property.

[1:04:44] Voice 19: So, there is an interest there that needs to be observed to not breach the requirements

[1:04:55] Voice 19: of Environment Canada for the sale of the property.

[1:05:00] Voice 19: I think the general

[1:05:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): point is...

[1:05:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): I just looked at the staff.

[1:05:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is that enough information?

[1:05:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yes.

[1:05:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): So, staff will fill out the letter to the intent to do what it is.

[1:05:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right

[1:05:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): is there a second motion second by trustee mod any discussion so

[1:05:18] Voice 15: i could potentially

[1:05:18] Voice 15: add some additional information um if you like oh so

[1:05:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry go ahead uh kevin yeah

[1:05:25] Voice 15: i just thought for

[1:05:26] Voice 15: for some additional background information so through our um public engagement of first nations

[1:05:31] Voice 15: engagement processes with the development of the park management plan we did identify it as a

[1:05:36] Voice 15: priority action to include information on the first nations history of the site and the japanese

[1:05:41] Voice 15: history of the site within the park information kiosk. We've actually already reached out to the

[1:05:47] Voice 15: WLC regarding having some of their information within the kiosk, as well as representatives of

[1:05:53] Voice 15: the Sasaki family, the Japanese family that once lived there, to also have some information of

[1:05:58] Voice 15: their family heritage on the information kiosk.

[1:06:02] Voice 8: Thank you, that's, yeah, that's wonderful. Thank

[1:06:05] Voice 8: you. Great.

[1:06:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any discussion, further discussion on the vote? I'll call the vote then. All those

[1:06:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): in favor carries all right well thank you it's exciting okay uh the next item is 11.5 which is

[1:06:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): the temporary use permit 2025 um 0060 main island construction as a report on page 84 of the agenda

[1:06:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh over to you uh or is that yeah is that you or bruce uh planner uh belger thank you

[1:06:37] Voice 3: Yeah, so this is a new temporary use permit application to permit the temporary storage of nine marine float docks within a designated area in Horton Bay.

[1:06:49] Voice 3: And the temporary use permit application is

[1:06:52] Voice 10: following

[1:06:53] Voice 3: bylaw enforcement action to remove the illegal floats on Horton Bay in 2023.

[1:06:58] Voice 3: 23. These nine floats have been stored on Horton Bay according to the applicants every winter for

[1:07:06] Voice 3: about 30 years and the nine owners of these floats all reside north of Horton Bay on waterfront

[1:07:14] Voice 3: properties. So the purpose of storing their floats in Horton Bay is to protect from winter storms

[1:07:21] Voice 3: forms that can damage the floats.

[1:07:26] Voice 3: And the application would not involve any new construction and the floats would continue

[1:07:32] Voice 3: to use the same location for storage as previous years.

[1:07:39] Voice 3: The proposed permit location is larger than the necessary total float area, which is to

[1:07:46] Voice 3: prevent any nonconformity and account for the natural drifting and movement of the floats

[1:07:51] Voice 3: within that area and any storage of the floats outside of the designated area and outside of

[1:07:59] Voice 3: the designated time period which is I believe identified as between October and April would

[1:08:08] Voice 3: render the use non-preventive and subject to further enforcement. The proposed use is

[1:08:14] Voice 3: is contrary to OCP policy 4.2.1.6,

[1:08:20] Voice 3: since the siting is not adjacent to the owner's properties,

[1:08:24] Voice 3: the TUP conditions would address this policy

[1:08:27] Voice 3: by really permitting the storage during the winter

[1:08:30] Voice 3: and the floats are not permitted for active use

[1:08:33] Voice 3: during this period only for storage.

[1:08:37] Voice 3: And if the TUP is issued,

[1:08:40] Voice 3: then the owners would likely need to,

[1:08:42] Voice 3: would need to apply for approval with the Transport Canada Navigation Protection Program

[1:08:49] Voice 3: and also receive a license of occupation from the province for the use of Crown land.

[1:08:55] Voice 3: This was just like the beginning of that process to get local government approval.

[1:09:02] Voice 3: And since the circulation of the notice, staff have received I believe three or four comments

[1:09:12] Voice 3: now with concerns over the location of the floats in proximity to the community dock as well as

[1:09:17] Voice 3: concern over the location in proximity to the eelgrass ecosystems and also questions and

[1:09:25] Voice 3: concerns about the legality of the TUP in the federally regulated waters. Staff consider that

[1:09:35] Voice 3: the proposal is in line with the TUP objectives and guidelines and the proposed use would not

[1:09:41] Voice 3: compromise future or current uses within Morton Bay. The use has been ongoing for many years

[1:09:47] Voice 3: without concerns or with minimal concerns and there

[1:09:52] Voice 3: appears to be minimal environmental impacts

[1:09:55] Voice 3: at this time and the TQP would allow the opportunity to test the use and permit the

[1:10:04] Voice 3: use for a three-year period and then come back to the LDC either for an extension or

[1:10:16] Voice 3: more comments. So the recommendation within the report was that the Maine Island Local Trust

[1:10:22] Voice 3: Committee approve issuance of PLT-UP 2025-0060 for a period of three years. Additionally,

[1:10:31] Voice 3: Additionally, I'd like to highlight that the CRD did submit an email at the end of last

[1:10:41] Voice 3: week requesting to defer the decision until the Southern Gulf Islands Harbor Commission

[1:10:47] Voice 3: meeting, which will take place, I think, next week.

[1:10:52] Voice 3: Thursday.

[1:10:52] Voice 3: Thursday?

[1:10:53] Voice 3: It's Thursday.

[1:10:54] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:10:55] Voice 3: So they requested that you defer the decision until a future meeting so that they have the

[1:10:59] Voice 3: opportunity to submit their comments thanks all

[1:11:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): right um do we have is it the applicant online

[1:11:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): today there's okay that's uh so john and martin both of you uh oops you'd have to take yourself

[1:11:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): off mute to be able to speak got

[1:11:21] Voice 14: it there you go is

[1:11:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): there anything you want to add before we

[1:11:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh

[1:11:27] Voice 18: just like to address if there's any specific questions about the application um or any

[1:11:34] Voice 18: any clarification that's required i mean

[1:11:36] Voice 18: as this has been stated this has been a practice in place

[1:11:39] Voice 18: for you know about 30 years and it is its purpose is with safety in mind and in fact protection of

[1:11:47] Voice 18: the marine ecosystem by by protecting these floats from being smashed onto beaches in winter storm

[1:11:53] Voice 18: weather and it has been successful for all these years um there's basically no change to past

[1:11:59] Voice 18: practice here. And also just like to clarify that the Island Marine who installed the mooring

[1:12:08] Voice 18: buoys initially, this is not a commercial operation. So they're not in violation of

[1:12:14] Voice 18: regulations. They do not charge a storage fee or a mooring fee to us. They provide the service

[1:12:22] Voice 18: to clients who had had their floats built by island marine and they do not charge for the

[1:12:30] Voice 18: annual storage so in that sense they're not in violation of the regulations regarding

[1:12:35] Voice 18: use of mooring buoys or or second party use of mooring buoys all

[1:12:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): right well thank you

[1:12:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): discussion to the local trustees well i think

[1:12:47] Voice 8: the majority of people that are here are here

[1:12:49] Voice 8: to talk about this um but before that opens up obviously from the letter from the crd and the

[1:12:55] Voice 8: letter the well-written excellent letter from the conservancy um we will be i think we'll be putting

[1:13:01] Voice 8: this on for another month before i'll certainly don't want to make a decision today but your

[1:13:07] Voice 8: audience is here and i think we need to hear from the audience right now on issues because someone's

[1:13:12] Voice 9: here to

[1:13:12] Voice 8: answer the questions okay um i think most of these people are here

[1:13:17] Voice 8: to talk about the docs

[1:13:19] Voice 8: okay but i do agree with the crd um in terms of getting more input before the decision space so

[1:13:28] Voice 9: is your intent then to put a motion to the virtual next one well you hear from the audience first

[1:13:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay all right are there any comments from uh people here that like to talk about this go ahead

[1:13:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): one

[1:13:40] Voice 23: of our concerns it's not i'm not worried my harvest mission happened

[1:13:45] Voice 23: he did say that it was not a commercial um use um it's not charging in the you know directly

[1:13:56] Voice 23: for this uh to use this um it seems to me it is it is uh a commercial use of the

[1:14:07] Voice 23: part of a bigger picture that, you know, they're obviously charging money to service the people

[1:14:18] Voice 23: with the docks. That's just one of the concerns. The other concern, it's a broader picture

[1:14:26] Voice 23: for the existing Maureen Louise docks, et cetera, et cetera. I'm well aware of a year

[1:14:30] Voice 23: two ago where it became an issue for um people putting private docks on boarding booths is this

[1:14:38] Voice 23: going to open up a huge can of worms um to if if the temporary use permit

[1:14:46] Voice 23: is uh granted is that

[1:14:48] Voice 23: going to have implications on other users of things that really have to admit are they don't

[1:14:57] Voice 23: follow the bylaw of the island's trust as far as regarding mooring buoys and docks um i can't

[1:15:04] Voice 23: remember the section in the actual five point something other i said you're supposed to have

[1:15:09] Voice 23: a planned ownership of um of uh in order to put in a mooring buoy or a dock or whatever

[1:15:17] Voice 23: another issue is jurisdiction again coming back to is that island's trust um it's a

[1:15:25] Voice 23: So they did in Island's Trust jurisdiction to issue something, to issue a TUP on a piece of property that isn't owned one by the applicant or Island's Trust for that matter.

[1:15:37] Voice 23: So I understand that a seabed is owned by the province. Wouldn't that be a commercial license of some sort?

[1:15:47] Voice 23: It

[1:15:48] Voice 8: is in here, but Bruce can explain that this is not the only approval.

[1:15:54] Voice 3: Yeah, so the, I believe the applicants began the process to apply for like a crown lease

[1:16:00] Voice 3: or a tenure for use of the provincial land but prior to getting that approval they needed

[1:16:07] Voice 3: a local government approval, which is the option was to do a temporary use permit, where

[1:16:14] Voice 3: the Global Trust Committee could issue this permit which would then allow them to go on

[1:16:19] Voice 3: and apply for those other permits with the province and with the federal government so they

[1:16:23] Voice 23: will still have to apply to the province and first nations i'm assuming uh that's right so the time

[1:16:28] Voice 23: frame for this is really not realistic for this year uh to to be operating legally yeah so what's

[1:16:37] Voice 23: the indication because

[1:16:39] Voice 8: the process is with bylaw once you're actually working towards compliance

[1:16:45] Voice 8: clients, by-law file is on hold. So if it takes a year or two years, they have made an application.

[1:16:51] Voice 8: If ultimately there's no, as far as Canada says, no, then the loans have to be, our by-law then

[1:16:58] Voice 8: kicks back in. But there's an attempt to rectify the problem. The by-law file is on hold until

[1:17:06] Voice 8: that's done or completed or run its course. And then I don't know if you meant, you were asking

[1:17:12] Voice 8: about precedence. I don't know if you're concerned about precedence but I've always been told that

[1:17:18] Voice 8: just because one person gets a permit or a

[1:17:21] Voice 8: variance or whatever that does not set precedence.

[1:17:23] Voice 10: It's not

[1:17:24] Voice 8: like somebody else can come along and automatically get a TUP or a private or more

[1:17:29] Voice 8: floats or whatever. So each case is dealt with as an individual circumstance.

[1:17:42] Voice 11: I appreciate what he's saying about using this over 30 years but that was before there was a

[1:17:48] Voice 11: dog and now there's a dog and there's boats going to the dog as well as he's going to the dog

[1:17:55] Voice 11: and when I look at this the diagram of the area that you said is extended to allow for movement

[1:18:01] Voice 11: of the floats it encompasses a lot of boats on mooring voice you know as well as the foreshore

[1:18:08] Voice 11: and so I don't understand why is the foreshore involved in this extended area for the TUT

[1:18:14] Voice 11: and what how is it it's not a hazard to the boats that are on the mooring voice to include that

[1:18:20] Voice 11: you know are what's going to happen to the boats on the mooring void it seems a hazard to me

[1:18:24] Voice 11: if they feel that they need that much space.

[1:18:32] Voice 22: Could I add to that please? Could I ask the

[1:18:36] Voice 22: the question of schedule b what is this outline in white which includes the foreshore as she mentioned

[1:18:47] Voice 22: a moment ago because in the in the application it says um 10 000 square feet was required to

[1:18:59] Voice 22: accommodate the dogs this looks like more like a hundred square feet

[1:19:04] Voice 3: so the the area is actually

[1:19:07] Voice 3: just that grey box. That's the TUP proposed area. It doesn't, it's not that big panhandle size.

[1:19:16] Voice 3: So what is that panhandle?

[1:19:18] Voice 3: That's, I believe it's an old, like, it's an old lot.

[1:19:27] Voice 3: It's valuable.

[1:19:29] Voice 3: No,

[1:19:29] Voice 10: I'm just going to answer to you. That seems to be our place to leave. It's not.

[1:19:33] Voice 10: It won't, but I don't know why the white lines are still there.

[1:19:43] Voice 11: I have a concern about it being a hazard because it's given the traffic, it's not, there's

[1:19:50] Voice 11: no working on it,

[1:19:51] Voice 11: you know, there's no light on it.

[1:19:53] Voice 11: So again, people coming home from the dock, I think it's a potential hazard.

[1:20:02] Voice 22: Janine, I sent you a letter

[1:20:04] Voice 22: and it's not published on the website

[1:20:07] Voice 22: No,

[1:20:08] Voice 8: there's no, because I just got it

[1:20:10] Voice 8: Well,

[1:20:11] Voice 22: last week, right?

[1:20:12] Voice 8: Well, still,

[1:20:13] Voice 8: it had to be in sooner, so I've got your letter

[1:20:16] Voice 8: and my proposal is to defer this

[1:20:19] Voice 8: anyways

[1:20:20] Voice 8: I would like to defer it until

[1:20:25] Voice 8: the specific questions that are being asked

[1:20:28] Voice 8: need to be addressed

[1:20:29] Voice 8: because a TUP is about laying out terms and conditions and if people have concerns, which obviously are, all of those need to be addressed.

[1:20:38] Voice 8: Could

[1:20:38] Voice 22: I ask upon what jurisdiction, the principle of jurisdiction, is this TUPS being applied for?

[1:20:48] Voice 22: Bruce can explain that.

[1:20:50] Voice 22: The specific question is what gives the island's trust the right to exert jurisdiction over the sea bed, which is individual, but only alterable with a license of occupation, as you have alluded to already.

[1:21:09] Voice 3: Right, so there's sort of multiple layers of jurisdiction here.

[1:21:14] Voice 3: Right, so this is within the land use bylaw that we're looking at it.

[1:21:19] Voice 3: and that the zoning of this water area does not permit these floats to be located there.

[1:21:27] Voice 3: So this temporary use permit is the route that the applicants have taken

[1:21:32] Voice 3: in order to allow them to locate these floats there temporarily

[1:21:40] Voice 3: following the local trust committee's procedures

[1:21:43] Voice 3: procedures and would bring them into compliance for that period with the land use bylaw.

[1:21:51] Voice 22: Forgive me for persisting, but I can see land usage pertained for sure, for example, I think

[1:22:00] Voice 22: village bays are a current issue, but I do not see it having jurisdiction over the centre

[1:22:08] Voice 22: for example, I do not know of any national red cap, I do not know of any jurisdiction

[1:22:16] Voice 22: over the crown of the Seabed Crown. Can you tell

[1:22:23] Voice 3: us for sure?

[1:22:25] Voice 3: Well, so this is strictly based on the zoning map of the island, which is outlining where

[1:22:33] Voice 3: are specific zoning for each area and the location of these floats is within

[1:22:41] Voice 3: main island zoning so therefore this process is required in order to bring it into compliance or

[1:22:49] Voice 3: at least to begin that process to reach compliance with the main island the

[1:22:54] Voice 7: local government's

[1:22:55] Voice 7: bylaws so with respect to the other uh jurisdictions there are considerations

[1:23:01] Voice 7: um and i think uh we've we've actually just recently we just received a note from um

[1:23:09] Voice 7: uh from federal uh oceans related to this so that they've got an you know they've got jurisdiction

[1:23:22] Voice 7: So it's sort of a chicken and egg thing in a sense, so they're contacting us, it's like who goes first, so this is a process, these things are referred to these various agencies, so we get a sense from them directly about what their concerns and interests are.

[1:23:43] Voice 7: so we're kind of in see

[1:23:44] Voice 22: i would challenge that there is jurisdiction if you are it's crushed

[1:23:49] Voice 22: we'll see no no it's not the seabed it's

[1:23:52] Voice 7: the surface of the water

[1:23:54] Voice 22: it's which is correct

[1:23:56] Voice 7: it's very strong the seabed yes it's very it's quite complicated

[1:24:01] Voice 7: when you get into the water as you

[1:24:03] Voice 7: well know i went into it yeah

[1:24:05] Voice 7: yeah yeah

[1:24:08] Voice 17: My name is Ron Willick. My concern is similar, but it has more to do with the actual footprint

[1:24:17] Voice 17: of the 100 by 100 area that they've laid out in front of the dock. That's where they kept

[1:24:25] Voice 17: their floats in the last 10 years that me and Horton met. If you look, they've got two

[1:24:33] Voice 17: moorings out there that they've been tying their floats to and those slopes are near the end of the

[1:24:39] Voice 17: public dock down at the end of Anson Road so they have repositioned it out in front of the public

[1:24:49] Voice 17: dock so I would say for people who are looking at and thinking oh it's going to be late last year

[1:24:55] Voice 17: it's not if they go with that footprint so that's that certainly i just feel like

[1:25:03] Voice 17: people are thinking you're going to get more of the same it's going to be bigger but more of the

[1:25:09] Voice 17: same and i don't think that's what's what's happening at all i think it got shifted out

[1:25:13] Voice 17: in front of the dog and it's going to have a bigger impact there than it used to where it used

[1:25:17] Voice 17: to be any

[1:25:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): other comments or questions sorry oh sorry um one of the applicants wishes to speak

[1:25:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): To

[1:25:28] Voice 18: my knowledge, the mooring buoys to which these floats have been attached have not been moved for years.

[1:25:35] Voice 18: They've been in that location for a very long time.

[1:25:39] Voice 18: Island Marine has continued to use them year after year after year.

[1:25:42] Voice 18: In fact, they were where they are before the design and construction process on the new docks.

[1:25:49] Voice 18: So the design and construction process of the new docks, as far as I understand, proceeded without ever any approaches to Island Marine about potential interference with their annual float moorage or anything.

[1:26:02] Voice 18: Nobody ever raised any concerns about conflicts or interference or impairment of access.

[1:26:10] Voice 18: Those floats have been attached to the same anchoring points as they have been for years, if not decades.

[1:26:24] Voice 21: We also submitted a letter to Janine, and I won't go through the details, it's rather lengthy.

[1:26:31] Voice 21: But a couple of things that I wanted to say, I just don't want to repeat myself and waste time.

[1:26:37] Voice 21: But on this issue alone, we all, we all, who live on Horton Bay, we all received the letter last year to go and get the existing floats out there and were told by the CRD to remove them.

[1:26:55] Voice 21: So on the one hand, we're being told to talk to the owners to remove the floats that are on Horton Bay.

[1:27:01] Voice 21: Yet 12 or 9 or 10 more flows can be moved in from another neighborhood and be allowed to park there for six months of the year.

[1:27:11] Voice 21: And that seems like quite a myriad of time.

[1:27:14] Voice 21: This is six months of the year for three years, and then another three years.

[1:27:22] Voice 21: And this is 100 feet by 100 feet.

[1:27:26] Voice 21: That's 10,000 square feet of water space.

[1:27:30] Voice 21: So that's quite a sizable chunk. So we've been deemed that the floats are illegal, yet these people are going to move in floats that are somehow legal.

[1:27:44] Voice 21: So we don't understand the contradiction.

[1:27:48] Voice 9: All good questions.

[1:27:50] Voice 8: I just want to say, so we were hit with this dilemma where we had floats on mooring buoys, which is not a permitted use.

[1:27:58] Voice 8: So when you get a bylaw file, bylaw looks for compliance.

[1:28:03] Voice 8: and compliance is what do I do about the float. So one suggestion for the nine owners who don't

[1:28:09] Voice 8: live in Horton Bay but store their boat was possibly possibly a temporary use permit would

[1:28:14] Voice 8: solve their problem. This does not preclude an individual from applying for a temporary use

[1:28:19] Voice 8: permit to put a dock on their float but this opens up this whole bigger picture which frankly I don't

[1:28:26] Voice 8: have a boat and I don't know why the boaters club isn't sort of getting out of there and figuring

[1:28:31] Voice 8: figuring out what to do about the mess that is Horton Bay,

[1:28:34] Voice 8: free and proper proliferation of everything,

[1:28:36] Voice 8: from sunken boats to floats on worry boats, et cetera.

[1:28:39] Voice 8: There should be a management plan, ideally,

[1:28:41] Voice 8: for what you want to see in Horton Bay,

[1:28:44] Voice 8: because I don't live in Horton Bay.

[1:28:46] Voice 8: But the application for the temporary use permit

[1:28:49] Voice 9: is an

[1:28:50] Voice 8: appropriate way for a applicant,

[1:28:53] Voice 8: people who are getting their bylaw complaints and tickets,

[1:28:57] Voice 8: to resolve that problem.

[1:28:59] Voice 8: The individuals, maybe if they wanted to go that route, but it obviously was never committed

[1:29:06] Voice 8: use in Porton Bay and unfortunately over time, they wouldn't complain and when they did,

[1:29:11] Voice 8: there was a proliferation.

[1:29:12] Voice 8: So this particular group was asking because they have to take their floats off their docks

[1:29:17] Voice 8: wherever they are and part of the island living is having docks and having floats and there

[1:29:22] Voice 9: are

[1:29:22] Voice 8: certain areas where you can leave a float out.

[1:29:25] Voice 8: So trying to find a compromised situation that could work for an individual who wants to go dark.

[1:29:32] Voice 8: But trying to preclude an individual from applying for a temporary use permit is created for the need for that purpose

[1:29:40] Voice 21: to do that.

[1:29:41] Voice 21: I can certainly appreciate that, but when it turns on to look at the temporary use permit,

[1:29:46] Voice 21: then the fact that just because it's been 30 years doesn't mean things can possibly change.

[1:29:53] Voice 21: change. This is now, these floats have been named illegal. And the other thing about it

[1:29:59] Voice 21: is that these floats

[1:30:00] Voice 21: to be uh not not the the bay is not supposed to be used for commercial purposes and i understand

[1:30:05] Voice 21: what they're saying and that these things there's no commercial activity but somebody is moving these

[1:30:11] Voice 21: floats back and forth

[1:30:12] Voice 14: twice

[1:30:13] Voice 21: a year and certainly charging money to do that so that that would that

[1:30:20] Voice 21: would be a commercial uh commercial activity as far as i'm concerned so just in terms of how we

[1:30:26] Voice 21: look at all these things but going backwards and turning around saying just because it's been 30

[1:30:32] Voice 21: years they've been doing it doesn't seem to make it okay in today's day today's day that's all

[1:30:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know your questions are healthy it sounds like they're not going to be making a decision

[1:30:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): today

[1:30:45] Voice 21: but your questions are going to help me the last thing i was going to say is that i didn't i

[1:30:50] Voice 21: didn't realize i thought it would be more on my own today so i wrote really quite a long deal here

[1:30:55] Voice 21: but the last thing i was going to say in conclusion is if these folks are really stuck

[1:31:00] Voice 21: and it seems like they might i have no quarrel with them with allowing say a six-month period

[1:31:05] Voice 21: so to me to get through the winter because we're not we're that's that's the neighborly thing to do

[1:31:12] Voice 21: in this case if that's possible but um that was just my opinion other people here seem to be

[1:31:18] Voice 21: be able to do so yeah that's thank

[1:31:21] Voice 9: you very much can

[1:31:23] Voice 18: I

[1:31:24] Voice 9: just make one

[1:31:24] Voice 18: more more point I realized

[1:31:26] Voice 18: that it looks like the decision is heading towards a deferral here but I would just like to point out

[1:31:31] Voice 18: that winter storm season is probably a month away traditionally these floats have been moved to safe

[1:31:36] Voice 18: storage by the end of October what should we be doing this this fall because otherwise we're

[1:31:44] Voice 18: or if the floats get left on their summertime moorings,

[1:31:48] Voice 18: there is going to be new risks.

[1:31:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): Those are things we'll just hold on to that question.

[1:31:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): We don't have a motion on the floor yet for anything.

[1:31:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): So over behind, go ahead.

[1:32:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, my name is Amy Cameron

[1:32:02] Voice 8: and I'm attending and speaking on behalf

[1:32:05] Voice 8: of the Bahamian Conservancy.

[1:32:07] Voice 8: We did submit a letter for your consideration.

[1:32:11] Voice 8: I did want to note that I hadn't seen

[1:32:15] Voice 8: in the pre-meeting map that they had submitted a map showing the extent of eelgrass beds,

[1:32:24] Voice 8: but I did want to provide the fact that the conservatory had been doing eelgrass monitoring

[1:32:32] Voice 8: since 2009 in Horton Bay and has done extensive mapping of those eelgrass beds, and the information

[1:32:40] Voice 8: that we've been able to document over the years differed a little from what I did see in the maps

[1:32:46] Voice 8: and um so we just wanted to be able to provide the information we do have um to inform what

[1:32:52] Voice 8: we'll keep like if this is the temporary permit is to be issued to um have that available for

[1:32:58] Voice 8: consideration um so that we might avoid um putting that the votes in an area where um

[1:33:07] Voice 8: the eelgrass bed would be affected by it. And

[1:33:10] Voice 1: in this the letter

[1:33:11] Voice 1: that I submitted

[1:33:12] Voice 8: that we didn't

[1:33:12] Voice 8: have enough time on that day to plot the two the proposed location of the dock along with our map

[1:33:20] Voice 8: of the eelgrass bed but I have been able to do that with them so I can provide this map to you.

[1:33:27] Voice 8: I don't know if that's something that's appropriate to do. Yeah

[1:33:31] Voice 9: like maps and data.

[1:33:34] Voice 9: know right

[1:33:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): are there any other questions at this time and i'm going to turn to trust up

[1:33:46] Voice 14: um

[1:33:47] Voice 12: i don't have a question um i have lived at 670 horton bay road since 1972 full-time i'm quite

[1:33:54] Voice 12: familiar with the bay obviously um and i really think these floats there are going to be an

[1:34:00] Voice 12: impediment for anybody trying to get in and out of anson road dock the moorings that people have had

[1:34:07] Voice 12: for years and years and years are going to be affected. I just really think it's quite

[1:34:11] Voice 12: inappropriate and I object to it.

[1:34:17] Voice 21: Final

[1:34:18] Voice 22: 20 seconds. With Sally's partner's help, we put in Barry Willis, we put in the first

[1:34:27] Voice 22: mortgage right where, close to where these shops now are. They weren't there in 97,

[1:34:34] Voice 22: so it isn't 30 years but that's semantic. The point is I have to move my boat each winter

[1:34:43] Voice 22: October 1st so it will not collide with these guys already. So it's that's just a

[1:34:50] Voice 22: simple example of the effect they're already having and it's not just nine docks static over

[1:34:56] Voice 22: over, you know, 20 odd years, it's been gradually increasing and occupying a great deal. Thank you.

[1:35:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you. Now, if you'd allow us, this is our opportunity. I want to have these two folks chat.

[1:35:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): They may interact with the applicants. So if you could allow us to have the conversation up here.

[1:35:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): I have my

[1:35:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): motion ready.

[1:35:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Do you want to proceed with the motion?

[1:35:22] Voice 8: I move that we defer application TUP-2045-0060 until, number one, that there is a formal response from the CRD following the meeting of the Southern Harbors Commission,

[1:35:37] Voice 8: that the concerns of the eelgrass expressed by the Conservancy are addressed,

[1:35:43] Voice 8: and that the concern about the change of location as to whether it actually is in the spot that it actually is in

[1:35:52] Voice 8: is dealt with, and that the interference of existing vests, which presumably has been happening for some time, is addressed.

[1:36:01] Voice 8: So I would like to see those various concerns addressed before this application is returned to

[1:36:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): the local trust committee.

[1:36:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): Looks like Carly has a chance here. What did you catch?

[1:36:12] Voice 13: I would love it if you could say that again.

[1:36:14] Voice 13: Thank

[1:36:15] Voice 14: you.

[1:36:16] Voice 13: I

[1:36:16] Voice 8: just think we defer discussion of the application of PUP 2025-007D until such time as the CRD and Southern Harbors Commission have met

[1:36:29] Voice 8: and could come back hopefully with a recommendation of some sort or concerns of some sort

[1:36:36] Voice 8: until we have seen the concerns of the Maine Island Conservancy regarding the eelgrass

[1:36:44] Voice 8: encroachment dealt with, that the question of the repositioning be addressed by either

[1:36:51] Voice 8: Island Marine or the applicant, and that the concern about neighboring mooring boys and

[1:36:58] Voice 8: interference with their ability to use and access their mooring boys is dealt with.

[1:37:07] Voice 8: tried to cover all of the concerns we have okay

[1:37:16] Voice 13: i'll read what i've got here um move that the

[1:37:20] Voice 13: main island local trust committee defer the application until there is a formal response

[1:37:24] Voice 13: from the crd following the meeting of the southern harbors commission that the concerns

[1:37:29] Voice 13: regarding eelgrass from the main island conservancy um are addressed and the concern

[1:37:36] Voice 13: about the repositioning of the location is addressed

[1:37:42] Voice 13: and that the interference of mooring boys is addressed.

[1:37:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there a second?

[1:37:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's been seconded by Trustee Laud.

[1:37:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any discussion?

[1:37:55] Voice 8: Just to say that obviously there's a whole bunch

[1:37:58] Voice 8: of information that we don't have, that we do need to have.

[1:38:02] Voice 8: So unfortunately, October is coming.

[1:38:05] Voice 8: I live on Navy Channel.

[1:38:08] Voice 8: anything out there um so i don't know where exactly all these floats are coming from um but

[1:38:12] Voice 8: what we do know is historically a lot of them have been there for a long time so i would hope that

[1:38:17] Voice 8: bylaw will continue to put a

[1:38:19] Voice 8: hold on the bylaw complaints until such time as the local trust

[1:38:24] Voice 8: committee makes a decision uh if we're making a decision in a month or two and there's no backup

[1:38:30] Voice 8: plan for these floats i have spent a lot of time cleaning my beach of styrofoam and i do not want

[1:38:36] Voice 8: these, you know, I think we all want to work together to try to find a solution for these

[1:38:42] Voice 8: particular floats. And maybe there's a different area that they can park them, I don't know.

[1:38:48] Voice 8: But I think we need a lot more information from the applicant. And I would urge the applicant

[1:38:52] Voice 8: to also look to see if maybe there are alternate locations, maybe smaller groupings of floats.

[1:38:58] Voice 8: We're looking for compromise here. Complicated. And since I don't have a boat, I don't know

[1:39:04] Voice 8: Horton Bay that well, but I think that people who live there and store their boats there should

[1:39:10] Voice 8: feel comfortable continuing to do so. Any

[1:39:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): further discussion? Oh, okay, we're in the middle of

[1:39:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): discussing a motion, but did you want to hear from the applicant this time? Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

[1:39:23] Voice 2: I just wanted to add one thing. When we last brought up the issue, I can't remember how many

[1:39:31] Voice 2: months ago that was there was a commitment from bylaw enforcement not to continue enforcement

[1:39:37] Voice 2: until the issue was resolved and i think that's an important consideration to be put on the record

[1:39:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you thank you any further discussion call the vote then all those in favor that carries

[1:39:56] Voice 6: all right so

[1:39:57] Voice 6: thank you for

[1:39:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): being here today and coming back i

[1:40:02] Trustee Maude (probable): think it's important just

[1:40:03] Trustee Maude (probable): to clarify for the applicants that while this is in process there will not be any enforcement

[1:40:08] Trustee Maude (probable): actions so if

[1:40:12] Voice 4: it's voted against are they going to pull everything out well

[1:40:16] Voice 8: we also have an option you know when we get down to the crime scene it's november

[1:40:21] Voice 8: december um temporary use permits well this application is for three years we can actually

[1:40:27] Voice 8: give a permit for one month that's one day one so temporary use permits have a timeline on them

[1:40:33] Voice 8: that we have the ability and authority to get to

[1:40:36] Voice 8: date so i suspect if we can't come to some kind

[1:40:39] Voice 8: of a compromise we may be forced to do a charter term or see maybe the applicant breaking into

[1:40:46] Voice 8: two smaller originaries all

[1:40:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): right well thank you we're going to keep moving on here we're at item

[1:40:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): and left 0.6, which is rezoning, 2025-03-05, BC Ferries.

[1:41:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): We have a preliminary staff report

[1:41:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): on page 101 of the agenda package.

[1:41:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Over to Planner Belcher again.

[1:41:12] Voice 3: Yes, this is the new rezoning application.

[1:41:15] Voice 3: Thank

[1:41:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): you for coming today.

[1:41:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you so much.

[1:41:18] Voice 9: We

[1:41:18] Voice 3: really do appreciate all the work you do.

[1:41:23] Voice 9: I just want to wait for

[1:41:25] Voice 10: a quickie moment to stop here.

[1:41:55] Voice 9: all right thank you all right flanner belcher thanks

[1:42:02] Voice 3: yes this is a new rezoning application

[1:42:05] Voice 3: for the village bay bc ferries terminal following uh the issuance of development

[1:42:11] Voice 3: development variance permit and an extension of use permit for the construction of erosion

[1:42:16] Voice 3: and shoreline stabilization structures within 15 meters of the natural boundary of the sea

[1:42:21] Voice 3: and along the foreshore. Those two permits were issued back in April. And this application

[1:42:30] Voice 3: involves extending the existing riprap further along the foreshore to prevent ongoing erosion

[1:42:38] Voice 3: and support the upland erosion protection works,

[1:42:42] Voice 3: which have been designed to stabilize the bank

[1:42:45] Voice 3: and protect the existing structures

[1:42:50] Voice 3: on the BC Ferries terminal property.

[1:42:52] Voice 3: The applicant chose to apply for a temporary use permit

[1:42:55] Voice 3: to allow the construction work to begin

[1:42:57] Voice 3: with the condition that a rezoning application

[1:43:00] Voice 3: would be made of a long-term legalization

[1:43:03] Voice 3: of the foreshore work.

[1:43:04] Voice 3: work. They completed a geotechnical report, slope stability assessment, as well as received

[1:43:17] Voice 3: a fisheries and oceans response letter with their application. The reports identify the

[1:43:26] Voice 3: purpose of the riprap design with the height, providing erosion protection necessary for

[1:43:31] Voice 3: the anticipated sea level rise, increased wave, ample food, and high water levels during high tide.

[1:43:40] Voice 3: The Fisheries and Oceans Response Letter also includes recommendations from the Department of

[1:43:45] Voice 3: Fisheries and Oceans to include the development needs and requirements within the Fisheries Act,

[1:43:50] Voice 3: the Species at Risk Act, and the aquatic and invasive species regulations.

[1:43:58] Voice 3: Given that the ferry terminal property has been extensively disturbed from past terminal

[1:44:06] Voice 3: development, staff consider the application to be generally consistent with the OCP policies

[1:44:12] Voice 3: relevant to the construction work.

[1:44:15] Voice 3: Policy 4.2.1.2 provides a framework for what a shoreline development permit would look

[1:44:24] Voice 3: like if it were adopted and the proposed work within this application fits within this framework

[1:44:30] Voice 3: the project is not a green shores approach but the erosion protection structures are supported

[1:44:37] Voice 3: by professional engineering reports and are designed to protect existing structures prevent

[1:44:43] Voice 3: further erosion and they identify how the construction will not have negative cumulative

[1:44:49] Voice 3: cumulative effects on adjacent properties within Village Bay.

[1:44:55] Voice 3: And staff also consider that the Department of Fisheries and Oceans

[1:44:58] Voice 3: recommendations provide the necessary protection measures to ensure that

[1:45:03] Voice 3: the development within the marine environment

[1:45:06] Voice 3: will be managed accordingly and any risks to the eelgrass meadows and orca habitat

[1:45:12] Voice 3: will be mitigated sufficiently.

[1:45:15] Voice 3: sufficiently. There's also an archaeological overview assessment attached to this report,

[1:45:23] Voice 3: which included a complete review of the area, as well as responses received from the Indigenous

[1:45:31] Voice 3: groups identified by the Consultative Area Database completed in 2021. A separate consultation

[1:45:40] Voice 3: consultation will still be referred to the First Nations and Traditional Territories

[1:45:45] Voice 3: identified in the consultative area database as a part of this application and as part

[1:45:51] Voice 3: of the Islands Trust process.

[1:45:54] Voice 3: And since a public hearing would not be required for the Land Use By-law Amendment, staff would

[1:46:00] Voice 3: recommend that a community information meeting be scheduled due to the lack of response received

[1:46:05] Voice 3: from the public notification for the two permits and also due to the project taking place in a high

[1:46:11] Voice 3: traffic area and generating some public interest. Finally staff support the application to proceed

[1:46:20] Voice 3: since the rezoning will permit the necessary shoreline stabilization structures secure the

[1:46:26] Voice 3: toe of the slope and prevent ongoing erosion. Impacts to the development on the marine

[1:46:32] Voice 3: environment will be mitigated through the Department of Fisheries and Oceans recommended

[1:46:36] Voice 3: measures and the proposal is not in conflict with the OCP or the Islands Trust Policy Statement as

[1:46:43] Voice 3: the proposal effectively manages risks and impacts to the marine environment and natural processes of

[1:46:51] Voice 3: adjacent properties on Village Bay. Thank you.

[1:46:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): I see the applicant is here, Lee Orpin.

[1:47:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there anything you'd like to add?

[1:47:03] Voice 16: Hi, everyone. No, no, that was a great summary. Thanks, Bruce. Yeah, just here to listen, get any, you know, professional feedback that we can, you know, if there's any additional reports or information that we can provide. But yeah, in short, you know, we're looking just to ensure that all the safety provisions we can make to the terminal are in alignment with the community plan.

[1:47:30] Voice 16: and taking in any feedback to make this application

[1:47:35] Voice 16: as sound as possible as we move forward.

[1:47:41] Voice 9: All right, Christine's.

[1:47:44] Trustee Maude (probable): Just only comment I had about the staff report,

[1:47:47] Trustee Maude (probable): really appreciate it, it's a timeline.

[1:47:49] Trustee Maude (probable): We don't

[1:47:50] Trustee Maude (probable): generally see those and put it for the public.

[1:47:53] Trustee Maude (probable): It really reassures that we're just at the beginning

[1:47:56] Trustee Maude (probable): of the baby steps of this.

[1:47:58] Trustee Maude (probable): So I appreciate that being incorporated in the staff report,

[1:48:01] Trustee Maude (probable): work. But this is, in my opinion, BC Perry is a corner store of the island communities. And you

[1:48:09] Trustee Maude (probable): know, these are important pieces of our infrastructure. And appreciate everything people

[1:48:18] Trustee Maude (probable): put into reviewing this because it makes it a little bit easier to make a decision on this. So

[1:48:24] Trustee Maude (probable): certainly willing to proceed.

[1:48:28] Voice 8: No comments. And it's Dave's turn for the motion.

[1:48:31] Voice 8: I

[1:48:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): just want to make sure, I was just looking at the consultation for this, so being that it's compliant with the OCP, that there is no need for a public hearing, but staff are recommending that you still do a community information meeting.

[1:48:50] Voice 8: And ideally, if we do it within our regular trust meeting, I suspect it's an opportunity that I do not expect.

[1:48:59] Voice 8: because the way that that part of the terminal is it doesn't really impact landowners on on the day

[1:49:05] Voice 8: there and some of them attached for and being resolved to do so all right okay i will move

[1:49:15] Trustee Maude (probable): but they may not local trust may be sustained with application pl rz 2025-0305 and a staff

[1:49:23] Trustee Maude (probable): pair of draft bylaws would have meant the plan just filed to rezone the foreshore adjacent to

[1:49:28] Trustee Maude (probable): the property from Water Morge W2 to a zone permitting shoreline stabilization riprap

[1:49:34] Trustee Maude (probable): structure. Is

[1:49:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): there a second? Second the motion. Seconded by Trustee Dodds. Is there any discussion?

[1:49:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): Call the vote. All those in favor? That carries. And

[1:49:44] Trustee Maude (probable): I will move to the Maynard Local Trust

[1:49:45] Trustee Maude (probable): to request staff schedule a community information meeting to provide the public with an opportunity

[1:49:51] Trustee Maude (probable): to receive information and ask questions regarding the leasing theories for shore rezoning. Second.

[1:49:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): Second. Trustee Dodds, any discussion? All those in favor? That carries. All right. Well,

[1:50:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you. And off to the next steps to draft bylaws and community information meetings.

[1:50:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you for being here today.

[1:50:11] Voice 16: Thank you, everyone. Thank you.

[1:50:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right. We're going

[1:50:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): to keep on chugging forward here. We're at 11.7, which is a housing agreement release

[1:50:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): staff memo on page 127. Who's doing that report?

[1:50:30] Voice 3: Yes, thank you. So this is a, the applicant. This is regarding the initial rezoning and subsequent subdivision for the main island housing society, the applicant is requesting the discharge of the housing agreement covenant covenant related to

[1:50:52] Voice 3: related to the main island housing society just for lots one and two which the which are

[1:51:00] Voice 3: excluded from the housing agreement already

[1:51:05] Voice 3: following the completion of the islands trust subdivision conditions staff have reviewed the

[1:51:14] Voice 3: final subdivision plan which is consistent with the um draft or with the housing agreement covenant

[1:51:22] Voice 3: and so staff consider that the um uh yeah the plan is consistent with the proposed subdivision plan

[1:51:28] Voice 3: identified within the housing agreement document and therefore can be discharged with lots one and

[1:51:33] Voice 3: two without having any effect on their requirements for lot three thank you i

[1:51:41] Voice 8: just want to comment

[1:51:42] Voice 8: Debra Goldman had another commitment to pick up the grandson from school,

[1:51:47] Voice 8: so she was unable to be here.

[1:51:49] Voice 8: So she wanted you to know that she would have if she hadn't had other things to do.

[1:51:55] Voice 8: Otherwise, it's straightforward.

[1:51:57] Voice 8: I'll make the motion that the Main Island Local Trust Committee

[1:52:01] Voice 8: designate the chair to sign for the discharge of Covenant C8735141

[1:52:07] Voice 8: from Lot 1 and Lot 2.

[1:52:09] Voice 6: I think that's a B.

[1:52:11] Voice 6: It's CB.

[1:52:11] Voice 6: Oh

[1:52:12] Voice 8: CB, sorry, I was so kidding.

[1:52:14] Voice 8: I didn't know my club.

[1:52:15] Voice 8: You got really close it looks like me.

[1:52:16] Voice 8: I know

[1:52:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): it does from here too.

[1:52:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Seconded by Trustee Maude.

[1:52:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any discussion?

[1:52:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): Call the vote.

[1:52:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): All those in favor?

[1:52:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): That carries.

[1:52:27] Voice 9: Nope.

[1:52:30] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:52:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[1:52:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): So moving along, we're at item 12.1, the main island housing project reading staff

[1:52:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): report on page 148.

[1:52:48] Voice 11: Thank

[1:52:48] Voice 9: you for coming.

[1:52:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that must be senior planner Chadwick.

[1:52:57] Voice 7: All right okay we are hitting down the home stretch

[1:53:02] Voice 7: for the main island housing project. So we've been working on housing since 2019 now

[1:53:12] Voice 7: and that was phase one and we out of the phase one we we said we got the flex housing pilot project

[1:53:20] Voice 7: um and then we took a little pause and then um in 2023 we had main island housing actual plan was

[1:53:27] Voice 7: developed and that's essentially the implementation of that is what um is what this phase two has been

[1:53:33] Voice 7: all about and um and so over the course of the last um few meetings um the local trust committee

[1:53:46] Voice 7: has gone through bylaw language and the draft bylaws were presented for consideration and comment

[1:53:59] Voice 7: and review by the public at the last meeting and there was opportunity for some conversation

[1:54:05] Voice 7: through the community information meeting as Jyoti Dodds indicated it was quite a fulsome discussion.

[1:54:15] Voice 7: and so now the there were some tweaks that were made and those tweaks are identified and track

[1:54:21] Voice 7: changes in the draft files that have been provided for you in addition to that there's a section

[1:54:27] Voice 7: that's been added that is the basically the provincial requirements to identify housing need

[1:54:33] Voice 7: I will add that we are still working on some numbers related to that there are a number of

[1:54:41] Voice 7: different ways to calculate um housing need based on population existing and projected population so

[1:54:49] Voice 7: we are going to be presenting um a different methodology um in in this portion um before

[1:54:59] Voice 7: so there will be a a change in in the numbers that are written here they'll actually a number

[1:55:05] Voice 7: of different numbers presented just for so that we can get sort of a more accurate estimation.

[1:55:14] Voice 7: So the bylaws are being presented to be read for the first time. The referrals have been sent out

[1:55:22] Voice 7: and are out currently with the agencies and impersonations that have been identified here.

[1:55:28] Voice 7: here. I've also included the Trust Policy Statement Directives Checklist and identified

[1:55:38] Voice 7: that nothing contrary or at variance to that. This is the existing Trust Policy Statement

[1:55:43] Voice 7: Directive Checklist. And so once these, we moved through these for readings the first

[1:55:53] Voice 7: time the recommendation is that we have another committee information meeting just to to do a bit

[1:55:59] Voice 7: of a check-in with with the community for moving to um second third reading public and public

[1:56:06] Voice 7: hearing so i have included the recommendations to move to public hearing on this report um

[1:56:14] Voice 7: and the scheduling thereof any

[1:56:22] Voice 9: questions well

[1:56:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): it said here you said next steps would be public

[1:56:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): hearing is that your your no community information meeting or anything just go right to public

[1:56:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): hearing schedule

[1:56:36] Voice 7: uh community information before the public hearing so okay

[1:56:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[1:56:40] Voice 7: okay

[1:56:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): right

[1:56:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): trustees how would

[1:56:48] Voice 8: you like to proceed with the motions i mean this is an incredible and

[1:56:52] Voice 8: wonderful work um you know it leaves doors wide open for some flexibility in how future

[1:57:00] Voice 8: generations could develop their properties i do want to make a note like the subdivision

[1:57:05] Voice 8: potential and the potential for more lots a lot of this is of course not going to be actual real

[1:57:12] Voice 8: information because for instance there's one area the one we've paid that you found 16 lots

[1:57:17] Voice 8: out here those actually are all that's already built that's maximum a lot of properties have

[1:57:22] Voice 8: not been subdivided so you're

[1:57:24] Voice 7: just you're jumping ahead oh sorry

[1:57:26] Voice 8: thank you all right

[1:57:33] Voice 8: I think we have some really good material here to work with in the future.

[1:57:38] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay, so I'll move.

[1:57:40] Trustee Maude (probable): The Manitoba Local Trust Committee Bylaws No. 198, cited as Manitoba Official Community Plan Bylaws No. 144-2007, Amendment No. 1-2025, be read a first time.

[1:57:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): 196 or 198?

[1:57:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): 196.

[1:57:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): 196.

[1:57:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay.

[1:57:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm just checking my hearing.

[1:58:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right, seconded by Trustee Dodds.

[1:58:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): Any discussion?

[1:58:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): Call the vote.

[1:58:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): All those in favor?

[1:58:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): That carries.

[1:58:06] Trustee Maude (probable): I'll move that the Mainland Local Trust Committee

[1:58:08] Trustee Maude (probable): by-laws number 197,

[1:58:09] Trustee Maude (probable): cited as Mainland Land Use By-law number 146, 2008,

[1:58:12] Trustee Maude (probable): amendment number 12025, be read for the first time.

[1:58:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): Seconded by Trustee Dodds.

[1:58:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is there any discussion?

[1:58:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Call the vote.

[1:58:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): All those in favor?

[1:58:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's carried.

[1:58:22] Trustee Maude (probable): I'll move that the Mainland Local Trust Committee

[1:58:24] Trustee Maude (probable): has reviewed the Island Trust Policy Statement Directives

[1:58:27] Trustee Maude (probable): only checklist and determine the

[1:58:29] Trustee Maude (probable): bylaw numbers 197 and

[1:58:31] Trustee Maude (probable): 196. So I just made that

[1:58:33] Trustee Maude (probable): land use bylaw number 146

[1:58:35] Trustee Maude (probable): 2008, amendment number 2

[1:58:37] Trustee Maude (probable): 2021, and main island fishing community

[1:58:39] Trustee Maude (probable): plan bylaw number 144 2007

[1:58:41] Trustee Maude (probable): amendment number 1

[1:58:42] Trustee Maude (probable): 2022

[1:58:44] Trustee Maude (probable): Is that right? I guess

[1:58:47] Trustee Maude (probable): or not contrary or variance with the

[1:58:49] Trustee Maude (probable): island stress policy statement.

[1:58:50] Trustee Maude (probable): That's

[1:58:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): seconded by Trustee Dodds. Any

[1:58:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): discussion? All the vote? All those

[1:58:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): in favor? That carries.

[1:58:55] Trustee Maude (probable): I'll move that

[1:58:56] Trustee Maude (probable): the Maine Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a community information meeting

[1:58:59] Trustee Maude (probable): prior to the public hearing for the bylaws number 196 and 197.

[1:59:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): Seconded by Trustee Dodds. Any

[1:59:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): discussion? All the vote. All those in favor? Carries. And

[1:59:10] Trustee Maude (probable): I'll move that the Maine Island

[1:59:11] Trustee Maude (probable): Local Trust Committee can request staff to schedule a public hearing for bylaws number 196 and 197.

[1:59:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): Seconded by Trustee Dodds. Any discussion? All the vote. All those in favor? That carries.

[1:59:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): all right thank you that is a lot of good work i should tell you that main island got a lot of

[1:59:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): positive press last week from ubcm with the work that your chair elliot has been doing on tiny

[1:59:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): homes and talking about the work that you're doing with your planning so um next step is the

[1:59:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): community information meeting this is just a first reading this means introducing the bylaws

[1:59:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): they are still open to change so thank you everyone and look forward to the next steps

[1:59:52] Voice 8: go ahead so is it we're sending this back to the apc and see if they can get quorumed uh well that's

[2:00:00] Voice 8: pass that motion if you want to that's up to you i i move that we refer this to the advisory planning

[2:00:05] Voice 8: commission again it should be a very frustrating we have one member if she would resign then we

[2:00:14] Voice 8: would have had a quorum of three so one so one person that i've never met so

[2:00:21] Voice 7: would you like so

[2:00:22] Voice 7: So, would you like to, you need to provide a date, a time, so prior

[2:00:28] Voice 11: to the

[2:00:29] Voice 8: October, prior to October 27th, 29th maybe, see if they can get a quorum.

[2:00:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): So you're requesting staff send the draft bylaws to the APC prior to.

[2:00:46] Voice 7: so that would be for um so you would want them to respond by at least it would have to be a week

[2:00:52] Voice 8: before 10 days before okay 10 days before so i mean if they can't do it then they can't but

[2:00:59] Voice 8: it gives them another chance um what's the date for whoever you might keep

[2:01:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): the next meeting is

[2:01:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): October 27th

[2:01:13] Voice 8: so they need to by the 17th of October

[2:01:19] Voice 8: Carly

[2:01:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): did you get that motion I got that one yes thank you thank you is there a second

[2:01:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): second by trustee uh on can't do back and forth okay uh any discussion

[2:01:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): call the vote all those in favor that carries all right thank you so now we're on to 12.2 which is

[2:01:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): the main housing project introduction of the build out map over to you senior planner Chadwick

[2:01:49] Voice 6: so the reason that we've just given you a paper copy is because build out maps take a lot of back

[2:01:55] Voice 6: and forth before you can kind of get it correct

[2:01:58] Voice 7: to the extent that you can I don't think they're

[2:02:01] Voice 7: ever perfect because things change and not everything is always documented appropriately

[2:02:05] Voice 7: and blah blah blah um but that's why it's not shared publicly yet because the public could

[2:02:11] Voice 7: jump all over it and say this and that so that this is your opportunity to identify um if you

[2:02:17] Voice 7: have questions or if there are things that don't seem quite right well

[2:02:22] Trustee Maude (probable): i think that the thing is

[2:02:23] Trustee Maude (probable): the header is correct subject potential but the build but if we're talking build out it's not

[2:02:31] Trustee Maude (probable): accurate right so it's so the actual

[2:02:36] Voice 7: potential to get them yeah

[2:02:37] Trustee Maude (probable): because as trustee todd says

[2:02:40] Trustee Maude (probable): nowadays it's like on the back of your properties that there's 16 lots shown there they're actually

[2:02:44] Trustee Maude (probable): built out by the by their bill of like sort of as a strata corporation oh yeah

[2:02:49] Trustee Maude (probable): so so they're

[2:02:49] Trustee Maude (probable): they're all they're all they're already fully developed so if you suddenly divided you wouldn't

[2:02:53] Trustee Maude (probable): get any more density um the same like with dinner point right there's there's there's a few of those

[2:03:00] Trustee Maude (probable): and i think that literally between trusty dogs myself we'd probably point them out

[2:03:04] Trustee Maude (probable): well

[2:03:05] Voice 3: yeah let's see because i've worked on this a bit um none of those so we've actually

[2:03:11] Voice 3: in the table at the bottom we have what the potential uh so total potential residential

[2:03:21] Voice 3: parcels and dwellings so i believe we've accounted for these any strata lots or any lots that

[2:03:28] Voice 3: that have already been built out.

[2:03:31] Voice 3: We have used the, like the BC assessment data.

[2:03:35] Voice 3: So that should have been included,

[2:03:37] Voice 3: that was included in the numbers.

[2:03:39] Voice 3: So the subdivision potential, while they could subdivide,

[2:03:42] Voice 3: they wouldn't get any additional potential.

[2:03:45] Voice 3: So-

[2:03:45] Trustee Maude (probable): So that's what I'm saying,

[2:03:47] Trustee Maude (probable): the header is correct, subdivision potential,

[2:03:49] Trustee Maude (probable): but we were talking about build up potential.

[2:03:53] Trustee Maude (probable): So if we're talking build out,

[2:03:55] Trustee Maude (probable): then those ones would be removed or taken out saying because there is no

[2:04:02] Trustee Maude (probable): potential there. So I think literally we're talking different

[2:04:07] Trustee Maude (probable): language that's all. It's right but it's not right to talk about

[2:04:12] Trustee Maude (probable): building potential. Because it's really good information because you

[2:04:20] Trustee Maude (probable): know nice big pretty colorful maps really make it so easy for people to go

[2:04:26] Trustee Maude (probable): Well, hey, I had no idea.

[2:04:28] Trustee Maude (probable): Right.

[2:04:29] Trustee Maude (probable): In both directions.

[2:04:32] Voice 8: The other concern when we talk about subdivision potential,

[2:04:37] Voice 8: there's actually not in a lot of these cases

[2:04:41] Voice 8: because of highway access.

[2:04:43] Voice 8: There's a lot of restrictions.

[2:04:45] Voice 8: A lot of these properties can build

[2:04:47] Voice 8: to what their density is,

[2:04:48] Voice 8: but they're not going to be able to subdivide.

[2:04:51] Voice 8: Right.

[2:04:52] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:04:53] Voice 8: Well, that's...

[2:04:56] Trustee Maude (probable): Another one would be hard nails.

[2:04:59] Voice 14: yeah so

[2:05:04] Voice 8: there's yeah there's yeah that really the Bennett Bay one was the only one that really

[2:05:10] Voice 8: showed up a lot of density that is not not going to be able to subdivide itself yeah

[2:05:17] Voice 7: well that's

[2:05:18] Voice 7: uh and we can think about how to depict that differently on the map because

[2:05:25] Trustee Maude (probable): there's I guess

[2:05:28] Trustee Maude (probable): the question is, can we get this map, like the sort of identifying unexploited density that

[2:05:41] Trustee Maude (probable): exists currently, so not subdivision potential, but say like vacant lots or, I don't know.

[2:05:48] Trustee Maude (probable): Yeah,

[2:05:49] Voice 7: so we do, there is a column here for vacant parcels. So we have done,

[2:05:57] Voice 7: like a part of this process involves doing a bit of a calculation, looking at the BC

[2:06:00] Voice 7: assessment data and figuring out how many are vacant they're not illustrated on the map yeah

[2:06:08] Trustee Maude (probable): because that's because the other alternate reality is that subdivision is really not

[2:06:13] Trustee Maude (probable): practical anymore on the islands no no it's there's just the the barriers

[2:06:22] Trustee Maude (probable): um are so high it's like it's financial it's bureaucratic it's it's everything there's so many

[2:06:31] Trustee Maude (probable): barriers to doing a successful

[2:06:33] Trustee Maude (probable): subdivision though, it's not

[2:06:35] Trustee Maude (probable): really viable

[2:06:37] Trustee Maude (probable): on the islands, especially economics.

[2:06:39] Voice 14: But

[2:06:44] Voice 8: what this does tell

[2:06:45] Voice 8: us is that by going to the

[2:06:46] Voice 8: one acre lot size

[2:06:48] Voice 8: there's a lot more potential for cottages

[2:06:50] Voice 8: which ultimately

[2:06:52] Voice 8: will create a lot more housing but still

[2:06:55] Voice 8: it takes a long time to

[2:06:57] Voice 8: get, what, 60

[2:06:59] Voice 8: years to get to a build out that's not

[2:07:01] Voice 8: even quite there yet.

[2:07:02] Voice 8: and actually get to the point where every possible potential density is built.

[2:07:09] Voice 8: It's going to be 50 years from now.

[2:07:12] Voice 8: So

[2:07:13] Voice 14: it's

[2:07:17] Voice 8: good information, but there's nothing here.

[2:07:21] Voice 8: Other than I saw the 16, it might be concerned.

[2:07:26] Voice 8: The two properties that have like 11 and 12,

[2:07:30] Voice 8: they're again, in terms of actual subdivision,

[2:07:33] Voice 8: even they would struggle into to see that kind of potential i don't know if you could put a

[2:07:40] Voice 8: note in there i think i think we would just take a subdivision potential with with multiple

[2:07:45] Voice 8: challenges yeah

[2:07:46] Voice 7: well there is a note there yeah yeah yeah which kind of yeah um it's good to have

[2:07:55] Voice 7: so do you do you have any particular is there anything you particularly like us to do with it

[2:08:03] Voice 7: we are this is now the model for subdivision potential because we we haven't updated our

[2:08:09] Voice 7: our subdivision potential mapping for a long time for all of the islands so the color scheme

[2:08:15] Voice 7: everything is um are now our model for subdivision potential um and so uh the next ones up are

[2:08:23] Voice 7: gabriela and and then we're working on those to um um make them look the same

[2:08:29] Voice 7: children uh and it is it is quite a lengthy process so um bruce and and um and robert have

[2:08:39] Voice 7: been the ones that have been working on this and they put like quite some time working with mapping

[2:08:44] Voice 7: um to come up with this so um yeah if there's any any other comments you have anything you

[2:08:50] Voice 7: you'd like to be sort of changed or looked into any further this is like your opportunity to

[2:08:57] Voice 7: it's great

[2:08:58] Trustee Maude (probable): it's

[2:08:59] Voice 8: really excellent to have

[2:09:01] Voice 8: and we kind of know

[2:09:02] Voice 8: which areas are not

[2:09:05] Trustee Maude (probable): having the

[2:09:07] Trustee Maude (probable): parks highlighted dramatically

[2:09:09] Trustee Maude (probable): that really is good

[2:09:10] Trustee Maude (probable): but also having the different

[2:09:13] Trustee Maude (probable): colours

[2:09:13] Trustee Maude (probable): I just literally had a

[2:09:17] Trustee Maude (probable): BC Ferries meeting yesterday

[2:09:18] Trustee Maude (probable): and they had two

[2:09:21] Trustee Maude (probable): totally different things

[2:09:23] Trustee Maude (probable): that used almost the same colour

[2:09:25] Trustee Maude (probable): on the mapping and everybody's going why and they're going oh no that's a different color

[2:09:30] Trustee Maude (probable): and the people are staring down and going looks the same to me yeah so

[2:09:34] Trustee Maude (probable): you know we're having the

[2:09:36] Trustee Maude (probable): whole spectrum of colors available it's great that you have issues because it makes it so easy

[2:09:41] Trustee Maude (probable): to very clearly see okay that's different than that this is a really good map so

[2:09:48] Voice 7: We'll also let Ailyn Faison, who's been our JASP person working on this, so we'll let her know.

[2:09:56] Voice 7: She

[2:09:56] Trustee Maude (probable): is truly wonderful.

[2:09:58] Voice 7: She certainly is, yeah.

[2:10:01] Trustee Maude (probable): So we need to buy some treats for her.

[2:10:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): All right, so no further comments on the mapping?

[2:10:08] Trustee Maude (probable): Much appreciated.

[2:10:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you. People love maps.

[2:10:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, that's going to bring us into the report section of this part of the meeting.

[2:10:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we have our active projects report on page 172.

[2:10:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): There's no actions there.

[2:10:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): And then we have the future project list, which I made the name of.

[2:10:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's called a parking lot.

[2:10:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): lot. And then we have the applications report. 174. Any

[2:10:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): questions on any applications? Boy, that's a short list. We'll

[2:10:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): send you some. Then there's the expense report. Page 176. Your

[2:11:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): thoughts and

[2:11:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): And amen.

[2:11:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): Adopted policies and standing resolutions.

[2:11:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): And then I guess we have the chairs and trustee report.

[2:11:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): My report was more to the audience we had earlier about the trust policy

[2:11:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): statements than what I've been talking about.

[2:11:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): The please read that has been my key message to folks is to please read it

[2:11:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): and to know that we do want to hear from you.

[2:11:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): The survey is still open. Talk to the trustees, send emails. The Islands 2050 email address is still active. Please provide input.

[2:11:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): And then over to you, who wants to do a trustee report?

[2:11:55] Voice 8: I just want to report that we're expecting really, really good news. The Maine Islands

[2:12:00] Voice 8: School now has an enrollment of 48 children, which means, ta-da, they got to have three full-time classrooms instead of two.

[2:12:09] Voice 8: across that magic bridge i think it goes from four once you go beyond 45 you get to have three

[2:12:14] Voice 8: which is a huge improvement our district has not had three or an island i think at least 30 plus

[2:12:21] Voice 8: years since they so doing dealing with split classes of like four last year they had split

[2:12:26] Voice 8: their large it was a great one class on the half so any wonderful news and then the only other

[2:12:32] Voice 8: the tidbit I had was that the Terry Fox Run raised over $17,000, a community of 1,300,

[2:12:40] Voice 8: which I think normally they get about $14,000 to $15,000, so that was phenomenal.

[2:12:45] Voice 8: I've already congratulated them, but I thought that was pretty amazing. So those are my only two

[2:12:50] Voice 8: little bits of information. I missed the very meeting. I had a bad tooth last week,

[2:12:56] Voice 8: so it's slowly getting better.

[2:12:58] Trustee Maude (probable): Did you want to speak about the Fallow Deer survey?

[2:13:00] Trustee Maude (probable): me oh

[2:13:02] Voice 8: i didn't we mentioned that because that's a while ago since but if you haven't followed you

[2:13:05] Voice 8: maybe come here yeah where they extrapolated the community count to like five to seven hundred one

[2:13:10] Voice 8: three well

[2:13:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): i saw one in a way i saw one within about 30 seconds of getting off the ferry

[2:13:18] Voice 8: it's rut season my my my

[2:13:21] Voice 8: regular hunters they got two this week so it's chipping away

[2:13:28] Trustee Maude (probable): it's just it's been a dramatic and wonderful summer there's just every weekend there was

[2:13:34] Trustee Maude (probable): something going on this island um really really really impressed with the community spirit

[2:13:39] Trustee Maude (probable): the school is wonderful news um that of course is an adjunct to to the um

[2:13:46] Trustee Maude (probable): daycare the early childhood society you know we've made this island exceptionally attracted

[2:13:50] Trustee Maude (probable): attracted to families, and they've come in droves.

[2:13:56] Trustee Maude (probable): We've gone from a point in time when, you know,

[2:13:58] Trustee Maude (probable): seeing a child was a special thing to they're almost like the followed year now.

[2:14:04] Voice 14: Every time

[2:14:05] Trustee Maude (probable): you go around the corner, there's another kid.

[2:14:07] Trustee Maude (probable): And, you know, it is fantastic.

[2:14:09] Trustee Maude (probable): It is wonderful.

[2:14:10] Trustee Maude (probable): It is great to live in a vibrant community like this.

[2:14:14] Trustee Maude (probable): We have the Apple Festival.

[2:14:16] Trustee Maude (probable): Was it next weekend, the weekend after?

[2:14:17] Voice 11: No, I think it's Thanksgiving weekend.

[2:14:19] Trustee Maude (probable): Yeah. So that's

[2:14:20] Voice 11: the last

[2:14:22] Trustee Maude (probable): of it. And that's, again, good fun. And, you know, I just, it's been great. So we'll leave it at that. Thank you.

[2:14:31] Trustee Maude (probable): All

[2:14:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): right. Super. I think that is bringing us into the homestretch here. Our next meeting is going to be October 27th here. I'm sure your chair, Elliot, will be back in the saddle, and you would have a second town hall, I see, still in your agenda, but I fear that there will be no hands raising at this time.

[2:14:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): So, we're going to be moving into a closed meeting.

[2:15:05] Voice 9: All right.

[2:15:06] Voice 9: Go ahead, Ben.

[2:15:07] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay.

[2:15:07] Trustee Maude (probable): So, I will move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community

[2:15:12] Trustee Maude (probable): Charter Part 4, Division 3, Section 91F, bylaw of law enforcement that the Council considers

[2:15:20] Trustee Maude (probable): that the closure could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under

[2:15:25] Trustee Maude (probable): or enforcement of an enactment and the recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[2:15:29] Trustee Maude (probable): I

[2:15:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): will second. Any discussion? Call the vote.

[2:15:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): That carries. All right. We'll wait for

[2:15:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): the meeting to be shut down.