Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, November 20, 2025

[0:00:04] Trustee Patrick: Good morning, everyone. Thank you so much for coming today. I'd like to call to order

[0:00:11] Trustee Patrick: this regular meeting of the Gabriel Ola Local Trust Committee. We are live streaming and

[0:00:18] Trustee Patrick: recording this meeting and the recording will be available at a later time. First, I'm going

[0:00:25] Trustee Patrick: to begin with a territorial acknowledgement. We come together, I acknowledge that we're

[0:00:34] Trustee Patrick: meeting today in the unceded territory of the Snemoke First Nation, we reaffirm our commitment

[0:00:39] Trustee Patrick: to work in the spirit of partnership and respect with Snemoke and all First Nations whose territories

[0:00:46] Trustee Patrick: include the Gabriela Island Local Trust Area. I'm Laura Patrick. I'm elected on Sellspring Island,

[0:00:54] Trustee Patrick: but I'm the chair of this Local Trust Committee. And with me today is Trustee Toby Elliott and

[0:01:00] Trustee Patrick: and Trustee Susan Yates.

[0:01:02] Trustee Patrick: And together we've got your local choice committee.

[0:01:05] Trustee Patrick: There are a lot of staff with us today.

[0:01:07] Trustee Patrick: So I'm gonna just run through their names.

[0:01:09] Trustee Patrick: I'm gonna not try to add all your titles

[0:01:11] Trustee Patrick: because I'm gonna get them all wrong.

[0:01:12] Trustee Patrick: And I apologize, but having you here is so important.

[0:01:15] Trustee Patrick: We have, I know it's Connor Baugh,

[0:01:18] Trustee Patrick: Stephen Baugh that's with us.

[0:01:19] Trustee Patrick: We have our Legislative Clerk and Dean, Tom Moreo.

[0:01:23] Trustee Patrick: Our Regional Planning Manager, Renee Jarrett.

[0:01:26] Trustee Patrick: Taking care of minutes today is Lisa Millard.

[0:01:28] Trustee Patrick: we also have in that will be joining us at various points in the agenda we've got jason

[0:01:33] Trustee Patrick: yeomans joe elliott uh chloe straw and narissa chadwick and i hope i didn't miss anybody did i

[0:01:41] Trustee Patrick: oh gosh so this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about

[0:01:47] Trustee Patrick: land use planning matters and decision and discuss relevant business this is also a place of

[0:01:53] Trustee Patrick: employment. Our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace. Today is a bit of a

[0:01:59] Trustee Patrick: complicated meeting because there are many places on the agenda where you're going to have an

[0:02:03] Trustee Patrick: opportunity to speak, and I will be introducing each of those segments. So please pay attention

[0:02:10] Trustee Patrick: if you're here to speak during a certain part. Just hold your comments until we're at the correct

[0:02:16] Trustee Patrick: place. So we have a public hearing. So we have a public hearing on two proposed bylaws, 318 and

[0:02:21] Trustee Patrick: 319 that we're going to be doing first then we're going to have a community information meeting

[0:02:26] Trustee Patrick: on our trust draft trust policy statement that'll be the next section and then we're going to have

[0:02:32] Trustee Patrick: a public comment uh session which would be where you could have comments in general about the

[0:02:38] Trustee Patrick: islands trust and any applications that are on today's agenda the applicant themselves would

[0:02:44] Trustee Patrick: have an opportunity to speak during um during the section on the um agenda so please bear with me

[0:02:52] Trustee Patrick: pay attention to the sections we're in be patient and we're going to get to the part where we we do

[0:02:57] Trustee Patrick: want to hear from you okay trustees we have an agenda before us are there any additions or

[0:03:04] Trustee Patrick: changes to the agenda today just

[0:03:07] Voice 6: a quick uh question do you want our islands trust conservancy

[0:03:11] Voice 6: report at 6.5 or do you want it as part of our trustee report

[0:03:17] Trustee Patrick: probably just let's add it to why

[0:03:19] Trustee Patrick: don't we just add it to the uh your trustee report okay that would work any other

[0:03:25] Voice 11: questions yes there

[0:03:27] Voice 11: just may be an additional reason to go and close but we

[0:03:31] Trustee Patrick: could talk about that before we go and

[0:03:32] Trustee Patrick: close them okay or check with stop and make sure the motion is before we get there okay is the

[0:03:39] Trustee Patrick: the timing appropriate

[0:03:41] Voice 11: to be going? That's a good one.

[0:03:53] Voice 10: But

[0:04:03] Trustee Patrick: there wouldn't be till after lunch anyway, or yes. Yeah, after lunch. So we can revisit that

[0:04:09] Trustee Patrick: and after lunch, we could always change the timing. So we're going to have a chance to speak

[0:04:12] Trustee Patrick: with staff. All right.

[0:04:14] Trustee Patrick: Otherwise, we'll approve the agenda as presented your general consent.

[0:04:19] Trustee Patrick: Excellent. How are we doing on time? Are we at 1035? We got to make sure we're right on time

[0:04:25] Trustee Patrick: because it's an advertised the public hearing is official and i i'm going to have to follow

[0:04:30] Trustee Patrick: some strict rules on the public hearing so we're going to move right into the public hearing first

[0:04:35] Trustee Patrick: today i'm going to apologize right now it is formal and i'm going to have to read a lot of

[0:04:41] Trustee Patrick: things because it's important that i read them correctly from staff and everyone are we ready

[0:04:47] Trustee Patrick: to move into my dream recess our current meeting to open the public hearing yeah not

[0:04:51] Trustee Patrick: yet oh my

[0:04:53] Voice 18: My goodness, it's that close.

[0:04:58] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:04:59] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:05:00] Trustee Patrick: But do I recess this meeting?

[0:05:02] Trustee Patrick: So I'm going to recess our regular meeting,

[0:05:04] Trustee Patrick: and I'm now going to open our public hearing.

[0:05:11] Trustee Patrick: So the public hearing for proposed bylaws number 318 and 319 is now open.

[0:05:19] Trustee Patrick: and i wish to welcome everyone in attendance and acknowledge again that we're meeting in the

[0:05:25] Trustee Patrick: territory of the coast salish first nations my name is trustee laura patrick and chair gabriel

[0:05:30] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee and i've introduced before but i'm going to do it again for the record of

[0:05:36] Trustee Patrick: this public hearing uh trustees toby elliott and susie gates and the staff that will be joining us

[0:05:43] Trustee Patrick: Yes, for the public hearing, Stephen Baugh, the Island Planner, Nadine Moreo, the Legislative Clerk, and Lisa Millard is taking minutes for us.

[0:05:55] Trustee Patrick: Can I just get a show of hand of how many people plan to speak during the public hearing?

[0:06:00] Trustee Patrick: Oh, that's good to see.

[0:06:01] Trustee Patrick: So I'm not going to do a speaker's list, so I just wanted to double check if that was needed.

[0:06:06] Trustee Patrick: The public hearing is being convened pursuant to section 465 of the Local Government Act in order to consider proposed bylaw number 318, Gabriel Island Community Plan, bylaw number 166, 1997, amendment number 1, 2024, and proposed bylaw number 319, Gabriel Island Land Use Bylaw, 1999, amendment number 1, 2024.

[0:06:31] Trustee Patrick: All persons who believe that their interest in property is affected by the proposed bylaws

[0:06:36] Trustee Patrick: will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written submissions

[0:06:41] Trustee Patrick: respecting matters contained in the proposed bylaws.

[0:06:44] Trustee Patrick: Those wishing to speak should commence their presentation by clearly stating their name.

[0:06:49] Trustee Patrick: Members of the Local Trust Committee may, if they wish, ask questions of you following

[0:06:55] Trustee Patrick: your presentations.

[0:06:55] Trustee Patrick: however, the main function of the local trust committee members is to listen to the views of

[0:07:01] Trustee Patrick: the public. It is not the function of the committee to debate the merits of the proposed bylaws with

[0:07:06] Trustee Patrick: individual citizens. Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard, and none

[0:07:11] Trustee Patrick: should feel discouraged from being heard. In considering the proposed bylaws, the local trust

[0:07:17] Trustee Patrick: committee has received documents which may influence its decisions. Those documents are

[0:07:22] Trustee Patrick: available for review during this public hearing as and are available on the website and the book is

[0:07:28] Trustee Patrick: at the front that's right there there you go if you wish to see any of the documents

[0:07:34] Trustee Patrick: right in front of nadine thank you

[0:07:39] Trustee Patrick: any person who wishes to present a written submission to the local trust committee may

[0:07:44] Trustee Patrick: do so and all written submissions are available for review during this hearing

[0:07:48] Trustee Patrick: written submissions must be received before i close the hearing please hand them to nadine

[0:07:55] Trustee Patrick: your final opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaws is during this hearing as members of the

[0:08:01] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee may not receive further submissions nor discuss the proposed bylaw with

[0:08:06] Trustee Patrick: the public after the close of the hearing after this public hearing has concluded the local trust

[0:08:11] Trustee Patrick: committee may without further notice make whatever decision it deems proper with respect to the bylaws

[0:08:18] Trustee Patrick: The Planner Board will now summarize the Public Hearing Notice, Key Points of the By-law and

[0:08:24] Trustee Patrick: Referral Agency responses.

[0:08:28] Voice 25: A copy of the Notice was advertised in two consecutive editions of the Gabriela Sounder

[0:08:33] Voice 25: on November 5th and November 12th, 2021.

[0:08:37] Voice 25: All notification requirements under the Local Government Act have been completed.

[0:08:41] Voice 25: There is a copy of the Complete Public Hearing Binder available during this Public Hearing

[0:08:45] Voice 25: and it is located on island stress website islandstress.bc.ca slash island planning slash

[0:08:52] Voice 25: gabriola slash current applications bylaw number 318 will amend the gabriola island official

[0:08:58] Voice 25: community plan to include the subject property in the village commercial land use designation

[0:09:04] Voice 25: and in the village center development permit area development permit area establishes objectives for

[0:09:10] Voice 25: for Mormon character, water conservation,

[0:09:12] Voice 25: and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

[0:09:14] Voice 25: The official community plan amendment

[0:09:16] Voice 25: will also facilitate the ability for the subject property

[0:09:19] Voice 25: to have two dwelling units

[0:09:21] Voice 25: and does not require a housing agreement

[0:09:23] Voice 25: for either of those grounds.

[0:09:25] Voice 25: Bylaw number 319 will amend

[0:09:28] Voice 25: the Gibraltar Island Land Use Bylaw

[0:09:30] Voice 25: to include the subject property

[0:09:31] Voice 25: in a new site-specific zone, Village Commercial 3.

[0:09:35] Voice 25: The new zone will allow a broader range of commercial uses,

[0:09:38] Voice 25: including retail sales, garden center, personal services, restaurant, and offices.

[0:09:44] Voice 25: The floor area for additional commercial additions to the property is limited to 100 square meters

[0:09:49] Voice 25: unless there is one dwelling, 200 square meters unless there are two dwellings,

[0:09:54] Voice 25: and there's no floor area restriction for commercial uses once there are two dwellings constructed.

[0:09:59] Voice 25: The zone allows a maximum of two dwelling units, which are each limited in floor area to 90 square meters.

[0:10:04] Voice 25: The dwelling units must be located within the building envelope of a commercial building.

[0:10:09] Voice 25: The building also requires a collection system to be connected to buildings that support

[0:10:15] Voice 25: principal use.

[0:10:17] Voice 25: Proposed by-law numbers 318 and 319 were referred to four regional agencies, two non-agency

[0:10:24] Voice 25: referrals and seven First Nations.

[0:10:27] Voice 25: The following comments and responses were received by the local trust committee.

[0:10:30] Voice 25: made the name of first nation responded to defer comment on the referral um sebastian first nation

[0:10:39] Voice 25: deferred to any directly affected nations gabriel of volunteer fire department um responded

[0:10:47] Voice 25: two times um to note that the access to property for fire apparatus is good there's a suitable

[0:10:53] Voice 25: turnaround area at the end of tin can alley a water source within three kilometers a fire

[0:10:58] Voice 25: all within one kilometer school district number 68 responded to say no comment on the referral

[0:11:04] Voice 25: ministry of transportation and transit responded with no objections the vancouver island health

[0:11:10] Voice 25: authority responded to say the approval would recognize been subject to conditions we received

[0:11:17] Voice 25: one public submission uh building of everything to 2025.

[0:11:22] Trustee Patrick: thank you very much so again submissions

[0:11:26] Trustee Patrick: Submissions can be made anytime during the hearing until the close of the hearing.

[0:11:32] Trustee Patrick: If any submissions are received during the meeting, the local trust committee will pause prior to closing to ensure that the local trust committee has time to repeat those submissions.

[0:11:41] Trustee Patrick: All right, I now invite members of the public who wish to speak.

[0:11:46] Trustee Patrick: You can just raise your hand. Again, you will state your name prior to making comments.

[0:11:51] Trustee Patrick: And after your presentation, the local trust committee or the trustees may ask you questions,

[0:11:56] Trustee Patrick: but they're here to listen and not debate with you.

[0:11:59] Trustee Patrick: And then I'm going to have to call three times, it's going to have to be what it is before

[0:12:04] Trustee Patrick: I close the hearing.

[0:12:06] Trustee Patrick: And after I close the hearing, no further written or oral submissions can be made.

[0:12:13] Trustee Patrick: And just a reminder for anyone who has come in late, please submit any comments you have

[0:12:18] Trustee Patrick: prior to the hearing. All right. So is there any other wishes to address us today? All

[0:12:32] Trustee Patrick: right, if you could just probably stand so we can hear you state your name.

[0:12:36] Voice 21: Graham McClellan. And I just question the whole idea of this.

[0:12:46] Voice 20: One sense of the Islands

[0:12:49] Voice 20: Adam's Trust Act in 74, it's right in your plan, it says preserve and protect the Adam

[0:12:55] Voice 20: Trust area and its unique amenities and environment against unrestrained growth and development.

[0:13:00] Voice 20: We're looking at more retail development. In the meantime, we've got empty retail when

[0:13:07] Voice 20: you put in beaches, but empty retail in Madrona with the main hardware store going, it's huge.

[0:13:13] Voice 20: I think the Raven store is empty, and the Co-op or Credit Union Mall, we have retail

[0:13:24] Voice 20: space available there continually.

[0:13:27] Voice 20: Twin beaches frequently has retail space available, but there's no burning need for more retail

[0:13:32] Voice 20: space.

[0:13:33] Voice 20: And what bothers me the most of all is the fact that you're handing out densities, two

[0:13:39] Voice 20: two more densities coming out of thin air.

[0:13:43] Voice 20: For years, it's always been a developer wanted

[0:13:45] Voice 21: that had densities, he had to transfer them from land

[0:13:49] Voice 21: he donated,

[0:13:51] Voice 20: hundreds of acres in this case,

[0:13:53] Voice 20: to be able to get a couple of densities transferred

[0:13:56] Voice 20: to his property to put in a subdivision.

[0:13:59] Voice 20: In this case, we're just pulling the densities

[0:14:00] Voice 20: out of thin air, as far as I can see,

[0:14:03] Voice 20: and it's getting out of hand.

[0:14:05] Voice 20: We've got unfilled out densities on the island,

[0:14:08] Voice 20: and I think there should be a more targeted one creating new densities until that's used up.

[0:14:14] Voice 20: The densities for the island were established probably with the time of the act as to what we

[0:14:18] Voice 20: could build on, how much we could build. We haven't tilled that out yet and here

[0:14:24] Voice 21: we are creating more

[0:14:25] Voice 21: and going contrary to what the act says is a sustainable development. There's two other

[0:14:30] Voice 21: issues with the sustainability

[0:14:32] Voice 20: is talking about bringing in more residents, more business.

[0:14:36] Voice 20: We have a ferry that is very sustainable in the summertime, and we're talking about bringing

[0:14:41] Voice 20: more density there.

[0:14:43] Voice 20: We have a water situation on the island.

[0:14:46] Voice 20: One point in the last summer, I've seen three different companies hauling water over here,

[0:14:51] Voice 20: continually, all day long.

[0:14:53] Voice 20: In the case of the summer rain, it's a transport truck, it's not just a single load.

[0:14:59] Voice 20: When I first came here 20 years ago, we might see Dan Foley running around with one small

[0:15:04] Voice 20: of a bull truck delivering water. 25 years I've never had a problem with my well, this year I have

[0:15:10] Voice 20: and I bought my first load of water and that's the situation that's everywhere on the island not just

[0:15:16] Voice 20: here in this area of the village it's home again. And the other issue was the

[0:15:28] Voice 20: well water up at that particular area there the gyro well hasn't been producing for years 10 years

[0:15:36] Voice 20: it's just abandoned because the water is not fit

[0:15:39] Voice 20: for consumption right on the same block

[0:15:41] Voice 9: the um

[0:15:43] Voice 20: clinic when i turned the clinic building over to the users there 15 years ago we had a good well

[0:15:49] Voice 20: operating it had lots of water it was not great water and it cost a lot of money to condition it

[0:15:57] Voice 20: so it was suitable for possibility for commercial use and uh since that 15 years now they spend

[0:16:04] Voice 20: spend two hundred thousand dollars plus to put in another water system because it's going dry

[0:16:09] Voice 20: and it's just not sustainable and that's the other part of the mandate that says you've got to take

[0:16:15] Voice 20: care of a water shed and a groundwater trees are dying all over the island cedar trees are getting

[0:16:22] Voice 20: wiped out because the water table is dropping everywhere and i've hardly got a live cedar tree

[0:16:28] Voice 20: on my property after this last drought the next thing the maple trees are starting to suffer on

[0:16:34] Voice 20: my property and I'm waiting to see the Douglas firs going too. They are starting to die out

[0:16:38] Voice 20: all because we don't have any water inside. Anybody who thinks we have,

[0:16:43] Voice 20: I don't see how they can talk that way when you see all these trucks delivering water every day.

[0:16:52] Voice 7: What else?

[0:17:01] Voice 21: Retail space. I said we've got lots of it.

[0:17:03] Voice 21: We don't need more yet, maybe in the future, but not right now.

[0:17:09] Voice 21: And

[0:17:19] Voice 20: I see in your new policy statement you want to put it into place.

[0:17:25] Voice 20: You're talking about affordable and special needs housing.

[0:17:28] Voice 20: Can we

[0:17:29] Trustee Patrick: hold this to the bylaw?

[0:17:30] Trustee Patrick: This is the public hearing on the bylaw, so you can keep your comments right now.

[0:17:34] Voice 20: I'm hearing that this two occupancy, the two density you're adding here,

[0:17:40] Voice 20: I have no restrictions on portability

[0:17:43] Voice 9: or

[0:17:44] Voice 20: just fences that I make about it.

[0:17:48] Voice 20: You know, it's a real gift. I wish I could get two guys to move on my property. I'd start building a couple of houses too.

[0:17:54] Voice 20: I'd get laughed out of the place. The other thing is the people who owned that property prior had donated the land for gyro there.

[0:18:04] Voice 20: And they'd asked for a house built behind, well not the same lot here.

[0:18:11] Voice 20: They tried and tried every angle. They could not get a host built on that 15 years ago.

[0:18:16] Voice 20: Now we're gifting two more densities to that property. I think we have to at least get

[0:18:22] Voice 20: something out of it. Pave Tin Can

[0:18:23] Voice 21: Alley or something. All the other developers had to

[0:18:26] Voice 19: build buggy paved roads across the island. And here we are just handing them over candy.

[0:18:31] Voice 19: It's ludicrous to see the philosophy of the observer.

[0:18:34] Voice 19: okay

[0:18:35] Trustee Patrick: thank you anyone else that wishes to address us on this uh bylaw again you can state your name

[0:18:41] Trustee Patrick: um

[0:18:42] Voice 31: my name is i am the owner of the property in question there was never an application in

[0:18:51] Voice 31: our part for residents on that suspension that's just that we never bought but um there was an

[0:19:00] Voice 31: We were given that sort of broader designation that we could put other businesses on there.

[0:19:10] Voice 31: But in the end, we didn't do any of that.

[0:19:14] Voice 31: We just left it as it was because we didn't really have any desire to do anything more.

[0:19:20] Voice 31: But we liked the idea of having another option in case our business, for some reason, failed.

[0:19:28] Voice 31: and but there was never an application for residents are you supporting this current

[0:19:33] Trustee Patrick: application today yes thank you is there someone else that wishes to address us today

[0:19:40] Voice 20: don gatsby my wife and i own the property at center stage up on the legends i just want to

[0:19:47] Voice 20: kind of support what this gentleman has said in particular as it relates to the cancellation of

[0:19:55] Voice 20: the 14 densities on our site while two densities are being created for another property. So I think

[0:20:03] Voice 20: that just kind of raises the issue about how these policies should be examined and the impact of

[0:20:13] Voice 20: everybody on that one, not just one specific site. We have good water on our site, good septic,

[0:20:23] Voice 20: 115 acres that we are in our view entitled to have 14 homes and trust position is they're

[0:20:32] Voice 20: trying to cancel that density so i don't see the fairness of that i just want to make that comment

[0:20:37] Voice 20: on the record anyone

[0:20:40] Trustee Patrick: else that wishes to address us today yeah

[0:20:44] Trustee Elliott: um you state your name first and

[0:20:46] Trustee Elliott: you don't need ed for the chamber of commerce i just want to address um having consistency in

[0:20:53] Trustee Elliott: what public amenities are available in commercial

[0:20:56] Voice 5: spaces or retail spaces we have applications where

[0:21:00] Voice 5: washrooms and waste is provided in some of our retail spaces

[0:21:07] Voice 18: on the island and not in others

[0:21:10] Voice 18: and one way or another i would like to see more consistency across the board for those spaces

[0:21:16] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:21:19] Voice 11: Can I ask a question?

[0:21:21] Voice 11: Yes, you may.

[0:21:22] Trustee Elliott: So specifically,

[0:21:23] Trustee Elliott: public washrooms is a public facility that you see there's a need for?

[0:21:31] Trustee Elliott: Well, it's just not consistent in different spaces that are

[0:21:34] Voice 15: commercial on the island and that various.

[0:21:41] Voice 12: Anyone else that wishes to address us today?

[0:21:43] Voice 12: So

[0:21:51] Trustee Patrick: I'm going to make this the question number one.

[0:21:53] Trustee Patrick: Is there any more speakers that wish to address us today?

[0:22:05] Trustee Elliott: It would help if people wanted to say if they support or do not support.

[0:22:11] Trustee Elliott: I feel like we've had this conversation at the LTC level and really this is the opportunity

[0:22:16] Trustee Elliott: for our community to state for or against, so even just a simple support it or not would

[0:22:24] Trustee Elliott: be really helpful so i'm going

[0:22:28] Trustee Patrick: to ask for a second time is there anyone that wishes to address us

[0:22:31] Trustee Patrick: today yes

[0:22:34] Voice 18: go ahead hi my name is james brothers i agree with this gentleman here that we have so

[0:22:40] Voice 18: much empty retail space on this island and i can't understand why we're allowing more growth for more

[0:22:46] Voice 18: development but we have so many square feet of empty space like what's going to be number that

[0:22:52] Voice 18: That big building is really empty.

[0:22:56] Is there

[0:22:57] Trustee Patrick: anyone else that wishes to address us today?

[0:23:02] Trustee Patrick: Second time.

[0:23:04] Trustee Patrick: And state your name.

[0:23:06] Trustee Patrick: I disagree with the argument.

[0:23:08] Voice 34: Can you speak to

[0:23:09] Voice 16: us up here?

[0:23:09] Voice 16: I disagree with the argument that there isn't enough commercial space on this island.

[0:23:14] Voice 16: I think a lot of young people would like the opportunity to have brick and mortar space for their businesses.

[0:23:20] Voice 16: It's the cost of retail space that is available.

[0:23:24] Voice 16: and maybe some

[0:23:25] Voice 18: more competition would be good for access.

[0:23:31] Voice 15: Thank you.

[0:23:33] Voice 12: Anyone else that wishes to address us today?

[0:23:38] Voice 20: State your name.

[0:23:39] Voice 20: General Straddle.

[0:23:41] Voice 20: I was told you here in a general sense to,

[0:23:44] Voice 20: I think support the application.

[0:23:48] But

[0:23:49] Voice 20: like I said, in a general sense,

[0:23:50] Voice 20: because I think that there is a limited amount

[0:23:52] Voice 20: of retail space and I know that Twin Beaches

[0:23:54] Voice 20: and various other locations are taking right now.

[0:23:57] Voice 20: But that will turn over.

[0:23:59] Voice 20: I mean, having the opportunity, especially the community plan as such,

[0:24:02] Voice 20: that we're going to have more residents on the island,

[0:24:04] Voice 20: there's going to be a greater need for it, and to limit it,

[0:24:09] Voice 20: because we feel that one application in the area that this one is in

[0:24:14] Voice 20: is going to be detrimental.

[0:24:16] Voice 20: I think we've got to look beyond just sort of the immediate

[0:24:21] Voice 20: and look at where the island's going over the next period of time.

[0:24:25] Trustee Patrick: thank you anyone else that wishes to address us today and ask for a second time is there anyone

[0:24:38] Trustee Patrick: else that wishes to address us today i'm going to ask a third time if there is anyone else that

[0:24:51] Trustee Patrick: wishes to address us today all right this was now is now your final opportunity for you to hand in

[0:25:03] Trustee Patrick: your written submissions if you have any once the hearing is closed no additional submissions will

[0:25:10] Trustee Patrick: will be accepted.

[0:25:17] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so please be advised that we are now

[0:25:21] Trustee Patrick: post public hearing.

[0:25:26] Trustee Patrick: So we're in post public hearing stage

[0:25:30] Trustee Patrick: of the legislative review process

[0:25:32] Trustee Patrick: for by-law number 318 and 319.

[0:25:35] Trustee Patrick: Gabriel Local Trust Committee can now

[0:25:37] Trustee Patrick: no longer receive information pertaining

[0:25:39] Trustee Patrick: to the proposed by-laws.

[0:25:41] Trustee Patrick: However, you can still submit any outstanding questions

[0:25:44] Trustee Patrick: and comments directly to the planner.

[0:25:46] Trustee Patrick: The Local Trust Committee may give further readings to the bylaw or defeat the bylaw or make minor amendments that do not affect the use of density without further notice or hearing.

[0:26:01] Trustee Patrick: So public hearing is closed.

[0:26:04] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, everyone, for your comments.

[0:26:16] Voice 10: I'm going to reopen our regular meeting.

[0:26:20] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:26:21] Trustee Patrick: Bear with me with the different segments of today's meeting.

[0:26:24] Trustee Patrick: meeting. I really appreciate your patience. So now we're going to move into our community

[0:26:32] Trustee Patrick: information meeting on our policy statement, bylaw number 183. And I want to make some

[0:26:38] Trustee Patrick: comments before we go into this public part. We come together today during a time of heightened

[0:26:47] Trustee Patrick: sensitivity and strong emotions across the province, the country, discussions about Indigenous

[0:26:53] Trustee Patrick: Indigenous rights and title and land stewardship are consuming social media feeds and news.

[0:26:59] Trustee Patrick: This community has felt some of that tension as we explore land use planning tools like

[0:27:05] Trustee Patrick: development permit areas and heritage conservation areas.

[0:27:09] Trustee Patrick: The policy statement we're going to be, we're introducing guiding principles, goals and

[0:27:15] Trustee Patrick: policies that advance our commitments to reconciliation.

[0:27:19] Trustee Patrick: reconciliation. I know many of you have questions, some have concerns about how these land use

[0:27:25] Trustee Patrick: planning tools and these principles, goals and policies. I also know that the Sonoma First

[0:27:30] Trustee Patrick: Nation members and Indigenous people more broadly continue to face racism, misunderstanding and

[0:27:35] Trustee Patrick: misinformation during conversations like these. My responsibility as chair, along with my local

[0:27:43] Trustee Patrick: trustees is to ensure that this meeting is a safe space for everyone and that

[0:27:49] Trustee Patrick: means we'll speak respectfully this is not a place for racism stereotypes or

[0:27:55] Trustee Patrick: comments that target indigenous people or any group in this community we're

[0:28:00] Trustee Patrick: going to focus on facts not fears there'll be lots of time for people to

[0:28:05] Trustee Patrick: understand and learn exactly what we're trying to do what we're not trying to do

[0:28:10] Trustee Patrick: We will acknowledge real feelings without attacking others. It's completely valid for you to speak or seek clarity and express uncertainty.

[0:28:21] Trustee Patrick: It's equally valid for Indigenous community members to speak of their experiences and their expectations of respectful partnership.

[0:28:29] Trustee Patrick: We will create cultural safety. For Indigenous people in the room, public meetings have not always been a safe and welcoming place.

[0:28:37] Trustee Patrick: we are committed to making sure that this one's different that includes giving space for indigenous

[0:28:44] Trustee Patrick: voices being mindful of how language affects people and addressing harmful comments if they

[0:28:50] Trustee Patrick: arise we will keep this conversation constructive we will not we're not here to assign blame or

[0:28:58] Trustee Patrick: deepen divisions later in the agenda we'll be happy you'll be having opportunities to talk

[0:29:03] Trustee Patrick: about the OCP land use bylaw but for this section it'll be about our trust policy statement

[0:29:08] Trustee Patrick: and we hope that you can leave the room better informed as your chair I'll ask

[0:29:15] Trustee Patrick: each speaker today to help uphold these principles we can disagree we can ask

[0:29:21] Trustee Patrick: tough questions we can express our worries but we must do this in a way

[0:29:25] Trustee Patrick: that honors the dignity of everyone in this room and respect and respects the

[0:29:29] Trustee Patrick: Senegal First Nation whose territories we share now that I am going to turn

[0:29:36] Trustee Patrick: over this community information period and in a moment you're gonna have an

[0:29:42] Trustee Patrick: opportunity to also speak and ask questions and comments so over to

[0:29:47] Trustee Patrick: policy senior policy advisor titles are not my favorite thing good enough Jason

[0:29:55] Trustee Patrick: Yeomans good

[0:29:56] Voice 29: morning everybody

[0:30:00] Voice 29: been sort of separated from my PowerPoint presentation here. So I'm going to have to

[0:30:03] Voice 29: take a guess at which slides might be coming up next. We'll just wait. I think the projector

[0:30:09] Voice 29: is just getting going. Sorry, I feel like I'm not speaking to you. I'm kind of orienting

[0:30:16] Voice 29: myself here all

[0:30:22] Voice 11: right as

[0:30:37] Voice 29: the chair said my name is jason yeomans i'm a senior policy

[0:30:40] Voice 29: advisor at the islands trust and i've been helping provide project management i will

[0:30:44] Voice 29: see development advice on this particular project for the past year i've worked for

[0:30:48] Voice 29: the Islands Trust since 2013, came on as a summer suit and spent a lovely summer here on Gabriel

[0:30:53] Voice 29: Island that year. Brumbag Park remains a favourite memory at that time. Until recently, I'd also

[0:31:01] Voice 29: lived on Salt Spring Island for the past decade, so I've got a lot of island credibility, I hope.

[0:31:07] Voice 29: Although I don't know if you actually consider Salt Spring to be an Island Trust island, you know,

[0:31:12] Voice 29: You know, it exists in its own world there, right?

[0:31:17] Voice 29: Before getting into the policy statement project itself,

[0:31:20] Voice 29: I just want to provide a quick introduction.

[0:31:21] Voice 29: I'm sure many of you in the room will know all of this,

[0:31:24] Voice 29: but a quick introduction to the Islands Trust.

[0:31:26] Voice 29: It generally needs to precede any discussion about our work that we do here.

[0:31:30] Voice 29: Islands Trust is a special purpose government responsible for the planning

[0:31:33] Voice 29: and land use management decisions of the Islands Trust area,

[0:31:36] Voice 29: which is comprised of 13 major islands and more than 450 smaller islands

[0:31:40] Voice 29: and the surrounding waters in the Strait of Georgia and Howe Sound.

[0:31:44] Voice 29: Could you click us along, Stephen?

[0:31:46] Voice 29: Maybe actually go one more.

[0:31:49] Voice 29: The Islands Trust does its best to preserve and protect these 450 islands in the Salish Sea.

[0:31:55] Voice 29: They're grouped into 13 local trust areas, which each have their own local trust committee

[0:32:00] Voice 29: and make land use decisions for that group of islands using the land use planning authorities

[0:32:04] Voice 29: under Part 14 of the Local Government Act.

[0:32:07] Voice 29: There's also one island municipality, Bowen Island, which has a municipal council

[0:32:11] Voice 29: and all the powers of a regular municipality and has two members that sit at the Trust Council table.

[0:32:16] Voice 29: One more forward, Carmen. Thanks.

[0:32:20] Voice 29: When all 26 elected Islands Trust trustees come together, they do so as the Islands Trust Council

[0:32:26] Voice 29: to take into account planning for the region as a whole.

[0:32:30] Voice 29: The Islands Trust is a unique form of government, neither in municipality nor regional district.

[0:32:34] Voice 29: Ultimately, it's a special type of government for a special place.

[0:32:38] Voice 29: The Islands Trust was created in 1974 by the government of British Columbia

[0:32:42] Voice 29: to protect these islands and their unique ecosystems and lifestyles from the rampant

[0:32:46] Voice 29: overdevelopment that was starting to emerge in the form of small lot subdivisions at that time

[0:32:50] Voice 29: in several of the islands. Islands Trust was established under the Islands Trust Act with

[0:32:54] Voice 29: a mandate or an object, as the legislation says, forward us on, to preserve and protect the trust

[0:33:01] Voice 29: area and its unique amenities and environment for the benefit of the residents of the trust area

[0:33:06] Voice 29: and of British Columbia generally, in cooperation with municipalities, regional districts,

[0:33:10] Voice 29: improvement districts, First Nations and other persons and organizations, and the government of British Columbia.

[0:33:16] Voice 29: For example, within the Islands Trust Act you'll find Section 15, which states that the Trust Council must, by bylaw, adopt a trust policy statement that applies to the trust area.

[0:33:28] Voice 29: The trust policy statement must be a general statement of the policies of the Trust Council to carry out the object of the trust.

[0:33:34] Voice 29: They also established different policies for different parts of the trust area.

[0:33:40] Voice 29: Before I say that, I'll just mention the current Islands Trust Policy Statement has been enforced

[0:33:48] Voice 29: since 1993 and a lot has changed in the Islands Trust Area and in Canada and in the wider

[0:33:55] Voice 29: world since that time.

[0:33:57] Voice 29: In 2019, the Islands Trust Council decided that it was time to update the Islands Trust

[0:34:01] Voice 29: Policy Statement to better help the Islands navigate today's challenges and tomorrow's

[0:34:05] Voice 29: opportunities.

[0:34:05] Voice 29: communities. This is a good place. This is loosely how the Islands Trust policy statement helps

[0:34:13] Voice 29: inform the other work that takes place in the Islands Trust. So the policy statement

[0:34:16] Voice 29: sets the high level guidance under which all other local trust committees and island municipalities

[0:34:22] Voice 29: within the Islands Trust area must follow. So the policy statement sets a vision and then on each

[0:34:29] Voice 29: island your OCP will then need to be consistent with the vision established in the greater policy

[0:34:33] Voice 29: statement from your OCP, close your land use bylaws, which is the set of regulations that

[0:34:38] Voice 29: actually affect how landowners can use their land on the island. And then that, of course,

[0:34:43] Voice 29: affects the landscape that you see around you for your islands. The policy statement

[0:34:50] Voice 29: has some other effects. It theoretically forms the foundation for strategic planning in the

[0:34:55] Voice 29: island's trust area. If the trust policy statement is the articulation of how the object is going to

[0:35:01] Voice 29: be achieved then strategic planning should be oriented around making sure that the policy

[0:35:06] Voice 29: statement is implemented the policy statement informs review of individual islands official

[0:35:12] Voice 29: community plans and regulatory bylaws so in order for a bylaw to be adopted here on gabriola island

[0:35:17] Voice 29: that bylaw goes to the islands trust executive committee for review and their review is predicated

[0:35:22] Voice 29: on whether or not that bylaw is consistent with the policy statement so it's a filter for ensuring

[0:35:27] Voice 29: that whatever happens on each individual island is generally consistent with the federation-wide

[0:35:32] Voice 29: vision for the Islands Trust as a whole. The policy statement also informs the intergovernmental

[0:35:37] Voice 29: relationships that Islands Trust forms with other agencies and other organizations. So we have

[0:35:43] Voice 29: memoranda of understanding with a bunch of different provincial agencies with the Ministry

[0:35:47] Voice 29: of Transportation, for example, and the Islands Trust policy statement can help inform the types

[0:35:52] Voice 29: of objectives that the Islands Trust wishes to achieve within those intergovernmental agreements

[0:35:58] Voice 29: that we form. So how will the policy statement impact you? I would say as a landowner in the

[0:36:07] Voice 29: short term there won't be any impact to you unless you are planning to amend the official community

[0:36:11] Voice 29: plan or the land use bylaw as it applies to your land. So if this draft policy statement is adopted

[0:36:16] Voice 29: into law and you want to do something on your land to change the density or the use that is

[0:36:21] Voice 29: permitted there you will have to ensure that that plan that you have for your land is consistent

[0:36:26] Voice 29: with the new policy statement because that's what the items trust executive committee is

[0:36:30] Voice 29: checking for when they receive that bylaw then medium term as a landowner

[0:36:36] Voice 29: eventually there's an expectation i think on the part of trust council that all local official

[0:36:41] Voice 29: community plans and land use bylaws will be updated sort of in in their entirety to come

[0:36:47] Voice 29: into consistency with the new policy statement. The pace at which that happens is going to be a

[0:36:55] Voice 29: decision that Trust Council is going to have to make as they think about implementation planning

[0:36:59] Voice 29: around the policy statement. But in the medium term, if updating the local OCPs and land use

[0:37:05] Voice 29: bylaws results in changes to how land is used, you as a landowner may find that there are more ways

[0:37:10] Voice 29: to use your land as a result of the bylaws being brought in consistency with the policy statement,

[0:37:14] Voice 29: fewer ways to use your land or different ways to use your land depending on what the local trust committee decides is the best way to ensure that the policy statement is implemented on the island.

[0:37:28] Voice 29: As a general island resident, maybe not looking at it through a landowner lens in the short term, again,

[0:37:34] Voice 29: I don't think that you will notice much impact from the adopted policy statement unless your island's local trust committee moves quickly to update its official community plan and land use by-law

[0:37:44] Voice 29: to adopt or to align with the new policy statement but in the short term I don't think you'll see

[0:37:50] Voice 29: much change. In the medium term I think given the highlights of this draft policy statement

[0:37:55] Voice 29: I hope that you will see a reduced pace of disturbance to the characteristic island

[0:37:59] Voice 29: ecosystems that you have here with the documents emphasis on ecosystem protection

[0:38:03] Voice 29: and potentially a greater range of housing options on the islands in the right places

[0:38:09] Voice 29: cases, which is the intent of the bylaw.

[0:38:15] Voice 29: Where are we at here?

[0:38:16] Voice 29: All right.

[0:38:19] Voice 29: So in 2019, when Islands Trust Council decided that it was time to update the policy statement,

[0:38:25] Voice 29: this was in part an effort to respond to three things.

[0:38:29] Voice 29: One was the reconciliation declaration that Islands Trust made in 2019, affirming its

[0:38:35] Voice 29: commitment to reconciliation and the desire to ensure that all of our guiding documents

[0:38:40] Voice 29: were consistent with that commitment.

[0:38:42] Voice 29: It's a response to the climate change emergency declaration

[0:38:45] Voice 29: of the Islands Trust declared in 2019.

[0:38:47] Voice 29: And it's a response to the workforce shortage

[0:38:50] Voice 29: and housing equity crisis that Islands Trust

[0:38:52] Voice 29: has also declared to be impacting these islands.

[0:38:55] Voice 29: And so those are the three lenses

[0:38:57] Voice 29: through which the policy statement is being updated.

[0:39:02] A

[0:39:04] Voice 29: little blurry up there,

[0:39:05] Voice 29: but this is the project timeline.

[0:39:06] Voice 29: As noted, it started in 2019.

[0:39:08] Voice 29: So there's four or five years

[0:39:10] Voice 29: outstanding interruptions by COVID of good work that has gone into the development policy statement

[0:39:15] Voice 29: to get to this point. It was given first reading by Trust Council in July of this year. It is

[0:39:21] Voice 29: currently out on referral to the numerous government agencies who we consider to be

[0:39:26] Voice 29: partners in this work and to Indigenous governing bodies that have an expressed interest in the

[0:39:30] Voice 29: Islands Trust area. There is a six-month window for those agencies and Indigenous governing bodies

[0:39:37] Voice 29: to provide their feedback on the draft policy statement to us and that's also a time uh where

[0:39:42] Voice 29: you as community members are being asked for your perspective on the policy statement as well

[0:39:47] Voice 29: there's an online survey that's currently open my colleague chloe in the back there has some

[0:39:51] Voice 29: paper copies if you haven't had a chance to go to the online version um all with the intent of

[0:39:57] Voice 29: reporting back to trust council in march with all of the feedback that we've gathered to date and

[0:40:02] Voice 29: some recommendations on how they might want to move forward with further revisions to the document

[0:40:07] Voice 29: if that is deemed to be warranted.

[0:40:10] Voice 29: Ultimately, the intent is that the bylaw can be adopted

[0:40:13] Voice 29: before the next local government elections,

[0:40:16] Voice 29: which occur, I think, in October or November of 2026.

[0:40:21] Voice 29: So what does that leave us?

[0:40:22] Voice 29: A little less than a year.

[0:40:23] Voice 29: A little less than a year to get it adopted.

[0:40:29] Voice 29: This is just a quick summary of the various phases of engagement

[0:40:33] Voice 29: that have happened in the course of this project,

[0:40:36] Voice 29: end, mainly just to emphasize that the document was not developed in a vacuum, either by staff

[0:40:42] Voice 29: nor by trustees, but rather through the input of island residents, which helped shape it.

[0:40:52] Voice 12: One

[0:40:55] Voice 29: more, Stephen, thanks.

[0:40:57] Voice 29: Okay, so what's inside this draft policy statement?

[0:40:59] Voice 29: There are three core elements.

[0:41:01] Voice 29: The first is a set of guiding principles, and these are the high-level principles that

[0:41:07] Voice 29: inform how local or how Islands Trust Council should be making its decisions when it comes

[0:41:12] Voice 29: to land use planning in the Islands Trust area. There are directive policies, which are things

[0:41:17] Voice 29: that Trust Council expects that local trust committees and island municipalities must do

[0:41:21] Voice 29: in the development of their official community plan and land use bylaws. And then there are

[0:41:27] Voice 29: advisory policies, which are things that Trust Council expects that local trust committees and

[0:41:31] Voice 29: non-municipalities should do, that align with the principles established earlier in the document,

[0:41:38] Voice 29: but that aren't necessarily solely within the jurisdiction of a local trust committee to do,

[0:41:45] Voice 29: but the trust council would like them to be broadly supportive of if the opportunity arises

[0:41:49] Voice 29: to advance that. Just a couple notes here on some of those three key topic areas and how they

[0:42:00] Voice 29: are reflected in the document. On the subject of reconciliation, Trust Council is establishing a

[0:42:06] Voice 29: guiding principle, and the first guiding principle really, to acknowledge and respect Indigenous

[0:42:11] Voice 29: rights. They're committed to grow the understanding of the history and legacy of colonialism in the

[0:42:16] Voice 29: Islands Trust area, to acknowledge and respect the rights of Indigenous peoples, and to work

[0:42:20] Voice 29: together with Indigenous governing bodies and Indigenous knowledge holders to preserve and

[0:42:24] Voice 29: protect culturally significant areas, sites, and species. And there's also a principled commitment

[0:42:30] Voice 29: commitment to prioritise environmental and Indigenous cultural heritage protection throughout

[0:42:34] Voice 29: the Islands Trust area, and these principles will be brought to life through directive

[0:42:38] Voice 29: policies such as this one, a directive that local trust committees must cooperate and

[0:42:46] Voice 29: engage with Indigenous governing bodies in their official community plan by-laws and

[0:42:50] Voice 29: other by-laws, and provide a record of that engagement at the time of by-law submission.

[0:42:54] Voice 29: Commission. This is something that is already done as a matter of course in official community

[0:43:00] Voice 29: plan bylaw amendments because it's required to be so by the Minister of Municipal Affairs

[0:43:05] Voice 29: and Housing and through this directive policy that will also extend to land use bylaw amendments

[0:43:11] Voice 29: as well that they'll be referred out to nations for their feedback. A few other directive

[0:43:20] Voice 29: policies here related to minimizing the potential adverse impacts to Indigenous cultural heritage

[0:43:25] Voice 29: sites and indigenous harvesting areas in the course of local trust committees consideration

[0:43:31] Voice 29: of official community plan and land use bylaw amendments that there's an expectation that

[0:43:36] Voice 29: they're going to turn their attention to the impact that these land use changes may be having

[0:43:40] Voice 29: on on cultural heritage sites and harvesting areas of indigenous people um the ability to do this

[0:43:48] Voice 29: will largely be predicated on the referral you know if referral to indigenous governing

[0:43:52] Voice 29: law is required for all bylaws then those indigenous governing bodies are going to have

[0:43:57] Voice 29: a chance to point out to the local trust committee where there may be detrimental impacts to these

[0:44:03] Voice 29: to these values that we're trying to protect and that's sort of the mechanism by which that

[0:44:07] Voice 29: information will will be available to um to ltcs um it has been noted that there is not

[0:44:16] Voice 29: a specific rule related to climate change um in the draft policies statement but rather climate

[0:44:23] Voice 29: Climate change and responding to it has been interwoven, I guess, throughout the document

[0:44:28] Voice 29: rather than made a discrete chapter within the document.

[0:44:31] Voice 29: Some of the ways that that is happening is a directive for local trust committees to

[0:44:38] Voice 29: ensure that neither the density nor intensity of land use is increased in watersheds, where

[0:44:42] Voice 29: the quality or quantity of the supply of fresh water is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable.

[0:44:47] Voice 29: That is reflective of some of the comments that we've already heard here today, I think.

[0:44:51] Voice 29: this acknowledgement that climate change is affecting the water table on these groundwater

[0:44:57] Voice 29: surfaced islands. There is a recognition that there are certain natural areas within the islands

[0:45:03] Voice 29: that are going to be affected by climate change, whether that be sea level rise or wildfire. So

[0:45:08] Voice 29: there's a requirement here that local trust committees identify those areas that are at

[0:45:11] Voice 29: potential risk of climate change induced hazard and respond to them accordingly in their land

[0:45:16] Voice 29: use planning i will say that doesn't mean necessarily depriving these areas of development

[0:45:22] Voice 29: potential that already exists although it could if the local trust committee wanted to take that

[0:45:27] Voice 29: take that measure but it would mean not increasing the density or intensity of development within

[0:45:33] Voice 29: areas that are that are subject to these sorts of risks or at the very least ensuring that there's

[0:45:38] Voice 29: some sort of mitigating measure established if there are going to be changes to land use within

[0:45:43] Voice 29: in those. And setbacks from the sea reflect the fact that the sea may be rising as a result

[0:45:49] Voice 29: of climate change in the area. On the subject of housing, I think, you know, certainly what

[0:46:01] Voice 29: I've heard from trustees over the course of the past few years, and certainly have heard

[0:46:06] Voice 29: from community members on the islands and even experienced myself during my time on

[0:46:10] Voice 29: Salt Spring, there's a lack of housing diversity that the housing stock on the islands reflects

[0:46:15] Voice 29: that's a particular style of rural housing and that's just natural as the islands developed I

[0:46:21] Voice 29: think but it's not serving the full breadth of our communities anymore and I think a lot of

[0:46:28] Voice 29: particularly people in the service industries and just working folks in general are challenged

[0:46:34] Voice 29: to find housing that is affordable and in which they're able to live and work and raise their

[0:46:41] Voice 29: families and so there's certainly a desire on the part of the trustees and I'm sure they'll speak

[0:46:45] Voice 29: to this to ensure that the types of housing that are potentially available on the islands can be

[0:46:51] Voice 29: expanded. And so within this there's a commitment to support a range of housing types and tenures

[0:46:56] Voice 29: to help meet the identified housing needs of the island community and local Indigenous communities.

[0:47:01] Voice 29: There's a focus within the document on this idea of clustering small dwelling units in particular

[0:47:06] Voice 29: areas, potentially supporting alternatives to conventional single detached dwellings.

[0:47:14] Voice 29: Overlaying all this, though, is a desire on the part of the trustees and certainly on

[0:47:18] Voice 29: the part of planning staff to ensure that if and where additional housing opportunities

[0:47:23] Voice 29: are going to be allowed, that they're in the right places on the islands, that they're

[0:47:28] Voice 29: in areas that are not going to be detrimental to the ecosystems that the document is trying

[0:47:32] Voice 29: to protect, not detrimental to the Indigenous values that the document has indicated that

[0:47:37] Voice 29: it's trying to protect, and in areas where there's adequate servicing for them, particularly

[0:47:41] Voice 29: in the form of fresh water. Onward, sir. I already touched on this, I think, to the

[0:47:53] Voice 29: large extent. We are hoping to have all of your feedback on this draft of the policy

[0:48:00] Voice 29: statement by March. So, well, actually, ideally by the end of February, so we can turn around

[0:48:04] Voice 29: and present it to Trust Council at their March meeting, all in the hopes that by the next

[0:48:13] Voice 29: government local government elections in the fall of 2026 that we can have a new policy statement

[0:48:19] Voice 29: adopted for the islands trust thanks that's all i have to say for now um maybe i'll just i'm not

[0:48:25] Voice 29: sure if the chair noted this but perfect i mean while this is an opportunity for you to ask

[0:48:30] Voice 29: questions of me for you to ask questions of your of your trustees here on gabriola it's primarily

[0:48:35] Voice 29: for the purpose of helping inform your local trustees of how they're going to respond to trust

[0:48:41] Voice 29: council because the policy statement has been referred to the gabriel local trust committee

[0:48:44] Voice 29: to ask what they think and i think they would like to hear from you to help inform

[0:48:49] Voice 29: what they think but you know information meeting for all purposes thank

[0:48:56] Trustee Patrick: you very much i think it's

[0:48:57] Trustee Patrick: it is important this is a document that's made for all of the island's trust area but in particular

[0:49:02] Trustee Patrick: your trustees want to think is there something that shows up in your this community uh that

[0:49:09] Trustee Patrick: that either was not thought of, could have been thought of,

[0:49:12] Trustee Patrick: or shows up differently.

[0:49:14] Trustee Patrick: So that's why we're having these conversations

[0:49:16] Trustee Patrick: because we want this document to be applicable

[0:49:18] Trustee Patrick: to all of the areas and have these questions.

[0:49:22] Trustee Patrick: So we have a chance, this is an option,

[0:49:24] Trustee Patrick: you can ask questions about it.

[0:49:26] Trustee Patrick: First of all, how many have read it?

[0:49:28] Trustee Patrick: Oh, good, that's a good percentage, thank you.

[0:49:31] Trustee Patrick: I encourage you to read it.

[0:49:35] Trustee Patrick: So this is your chance now to ask some questions.

[0:49:40] Trustee Patrick: and

[0:49:41] Trustee Patrick: or we can hear your comments

[0:49:42] Trustee Patrick: and thoughts on either

[0:49:44] Trustee Patrick: opportunities to improve or you just

[0:49:46] Trustee Patrick: want to understand

[0:49:47] Trustee Patrick: policies are generally

[0:49:50] Trustee Patrick: clearer. So

[0:49:52] Trustee Patrick: the room is big. I think

[0:49:54] Trustee Patrick: if you could just speak up that would be

[0:49:56] Trustee Patrick: handy. Does anyone have

[0:49:58] Trustee Patrick: any questions or comments and

[0:50:00] Trustee Patrick: I will just sort of move around

[0:50:02] Trustee Patrick: the room and again remember

[0:50:04] Trustee Patrick: the comments I spoke to earlier.

[0:50:06] Trustee Patrick: I appreciate everyone working together.

[0:50:08] Trustee Patrick: So go ahead.

[0:50:10] Voice 21: Thank you.

[0:50:11] Voice 21: I'm wondering how much weight it's in a survey carried in terms of your decision making.

[0:50:17] Voice 21: Because one thing I've noticed is that there is an opportunity for duplication from one

[0:50:23] Voice 21: person to fill the survey out numerous times,

[0:50:26] Voice 8: so that's

[0:50:28] Voice 21: a serious issue.

[0:50:29] Voice 21: So, you know, you can sit there and put out 101 of these with the same intent, and how

[0:50:38] Voice 21: much money does that carry for you

[0:50:39] Trustee Patrick: at the trust?

[0:50:42] Trustee Patrick: That's always a risk with surveys.

[0:50:45] Trustee Patrick: I mean, there's no digital signature, there's no email attached, it's all anonymous.

[0:50:52] Trustee Patrick: I don't know if you have any comments on how that's going to be put together?

[0:50:55] Voice 29: Yeah, I mean, I can't speak to how the trustees will weight the results of the survey in their

[0:51:00] Voice 29: decision making.

[0:51:01] Voice 29: so the online survey is protected in that it is uh help me up here with the technological term

[0:51:07] Voice 29: employee might get a single a single ip address right yeah

[0:51:10] Voice 21: but if you use a btm you can do

[0:51:14] Voice 21: multiple yeah so we do have to get into the 21st century when we do these surveys because this is

[0:51:19] Voice 21: critical so

[0:51:20] Voice 1: um and then we're going to coordinate with the unstressed i've been supporting this

[0:51:24] Voice 1: project um we are working with a professional communications firm that has launched the survey

[0:51:30] Voice 1: for us. And so as part of their process, they definitely follow best practice. And so they do

[0:51:35] Voice 1: what's called data clearing, which is reviewing any multiple entries where the entries are

[0:51:42] Voice 1: literally identical. They check if there is the same IP address and submitting a response more

[0:51:49] Voice 1: than once. They review to see if there's actually a difference in answers. So it's not absolutely

[0:51:54] Voice 1: foolproof, but that's sort of best practice. And in regards to the paper survey, we had feedback

[0:52:01] Voice 1: at the trust that, you know, we really need to make sure that our public engagement is more

[0:52:06] Voice 1: accessible. And so we have a lot of folks I know from living on Gabriela who don't have computers

[0:52:12] Voice 1: are comfortable using an online survey. And so that's the intention behind paper survey. Those

[0:52:24] Voice 1: kind of coded in the same way so again there's that sort of verification so again it's not a

[0:52:29] Voice 1: whole fruit system but we're absolutely have had so

[0:52:31] Voice 21: you're acknowledging that if somebody uses a

[0:52:34] Voice 21: virtual private network they could enter this survey a hundred times and there would be no

[0:52:39] Voice 21: pickup for it with the confidence here that's been tossed here well

[0:52:44] Voice 1: i think just in terms of

[0:52:47] Voice 1: any public survey that would be launched other processes for reviewing the content of said

[0:52:54] Voice 1: survey and waiting that according so there

[0:52:56] Voice 1: would be a way to flag if we've heard the exact same

[0:53:00] Voice 1: you know wording and choice in 50 different entries there would be a way to flag that and

[0:53:04] Voice 1: so there's there'll be that in this um summary of their report so i think

[0:53:10] Trustee Patrick: you're hearing we're going

[0:53:10] Trustee Patrick: to do the best we can as far as how trustees wait that that's going to be all the information i

[0:53:16] Trustee Patrick: think each individual trustee is going to have be having conversations or listening to

[0:53:20] Trustee Patrick: hear. I think they're talking to the grocery stores as they go up and down the aisles.

[0:53:25] Trustee Patrick: And the survey, it's going to be all of the information is going to be brought together

[0:53:30] Trustee Patrick: to weight how we address the next steps. Okay. Okay. Thank

[0:53:42] Voice 11: you,

[0:53:43] Voice 30: Chair Patrick and

[0:53:44] Voice 30: and Elliot for this opportunity. My name is Stephen Earl, and I have a couple of comments.

[0:53:49] Voice 30: events, two different sections of the statement, starting with 3.3.5, Watershed Ecosystems,

[0:53:59] Voice 30: which reads, identify and prioritize the preservation, protection, and restoration of watershed

[0:54:05] Voice 30: ecosystems, freshwater sources, and groundwater recharge areas. And I want to focus on that

[0:54:12] Voice 30: last phrase, groundwater recharge areas. I've been working, doing research into groundwater

[0:54:18] Voice 30: are on the Nanaimo group aquifers and that's our aquifer here is one of those for over 25 years and

[0:54:27] Voice 30: I've been living on top of one of them for 16 years and it's my understanding from that work

[0:54:33] Voice 30: that recharge into these aquifers is generally diffuse through fractures and porosity and that

[0:54:41] Voice 30: Therefore, virtually all areas of the islands, of the trust islands, and I'm excluding Bowen Island, that's different, and parts of Salt Spring Island, that's different, but most of Salt Spring Island does lie under this, that are underlaying by the Nanaima group should be considered recharge areas.

[0:55:04] Voice 30: Of course, it's likely that some parts will have greater recharge than others, but I don't believe that we have the knowledge or the technology to identify those.

[0:55:19] Voice 30: We might think we do, but I don't think we do.

[0:55:23] Voice 30: So I'm concerned that the policy might be misconstrued to allow lower preservation on areas that are not defined as recharge areas.

[0:55:37] Voice 8: when

[0:55:37] Voice 30: we don't even know where those things are.

[0:55:43] Voice 30: So my suggestion would be to delete reference

[0:55:46] Voice 30: to groundwater in this statement

[0:55:47] Voice 30: and just have identify and prioritize the preservation,

[0:55:51] Voice 30: protection and restoration of watershed ecosystems

[0:55:54] Voice 30: and fresh water sources period.

[0:55:57] Voice 30: Because at least we can map those with some confidence.

[0:56:05] Voice 6: So thank you, Chair Patrick

[0:56:07] Voice 6: and thank you, Stephen Earl for your comment.

[0:56:09] Voice 6: I made a note of that as well when we had our open house on the on this and there was some

[0:56:16] Voice 6: question as to whether we should be getting rid of the term groundwater recharge area and putting in

[0:56:21] Voice 6: aquifers or whether we leave it all out and just stop at freshwater sources so um I uh senior

[0:56:31] Voice 6: your policy director yeomans do you have any comment on that i'm

[0:56:38] Voice 29: afraid i don't this is sort

[0:56:39] Voice 29: of a level of of technical or scientific detail that's a little beyond beyond what i could you

[0:56:46] Voice 29: know anything i offer would be conjecture other than to say that i know over the past what perhaps

[0:56:51] Voice 29: five years or so that the islands trust has invested a considerable amount of funds in

[0:56:57] Voice 29: groundwater recharge and recharge potential mapping. I'm not sure if you've seen the

[0:57:02] Voice 29: outputs of that work or have any questions or concerns about that or if that's in fact

[0:57:07] Voice 29: what's informing your question right now or your comments.

[0:57:10] Voice 29: Absolutely, yes. Because

[0:57:13] Voice 30: I don't have confidence in our ability to identify groundwater

[0:57:17] Voice 30: recharge or to say to that other areas are not groundwater recharge areas.

[0:57:25] Trustee Patrick: yeah honey

[0:57:26] Trustee Patrick: thank you very much

[0:57:27] Voice 30: oh you have another question okay i'm sorry it's okay

[0:57:30] Voice 30: number two is section 3.4.5 and it's called climate change mitigation adaptation and it says

[0:57:40] Voice 30: implement planning and land use management strategies and consider nature-based solutions

[0:57:45] Voice 30: to minimize greenhouse gas emissions and adapt to climate related vulnerabilities and i want to

[0:57:51] Voice 30: to focus on nature-based solutions to minimize greenhouse gas emissions. I think we all have

[0:57:57] Voice 30: to recognize that climate change is the most important issue facing our society. Everything.

[0:58:09] Voice 30: Humans, not nature, are the ones that are changing the climate. And unfortunately,

[0:58:17] Voice 30: Unfortunately, there is no nature-based solution that can reduce our greenhouse gas emissions.

[0:58:25] Voice 30: It's us. It's not nature.

[0:58:28] Voice 30: We can plant more trees, and that might take some of that carbon dioxide out of the air,

[0:58:35] Voice 30: but they aren't going to reduce our emissions.

[0:58:42] Voice 30: Humans have to do that.

[0:58:44] Voice 30: And in the trust area, the main way to achieve that is to reduce vehicle emissions.

[0:58:52] Voice 8: We

[0:58:52] Voice 30: don't have large emissions related to power generation, farming a little bit, not that much, but it's vehicle emissions that are the number one thing.

[0:59:03] Voice 30: So I believe this statement needs to spell out some of the achievable measures that local trust committees could put in place, like ensuring higher densities are only allowed, and I'm going to use Mr. Yeoman's words, in the right places.

[0:59:23] Voice 30: And that's spoken to in bylaws 318 and 319, I think, as well, near to existing amenities and by supporting public transportation and also the transition to electric vehicles.

[0:59:40] Voice 30: Those are things that, I mean, I know the trust can't do anything about people buying electric vehicles, but they can do things to support that.

[0:59:50] Voice 30: For example, I don't know what 318 and 319 say about electric car chargers.

[0:59:56] Voice 30: Maybe they do say something.

[1:00:01] Voice 27: But

[1:00:02] Voice 30: if they did, that would be something that supports electric vehicles.

[1:00:08] Voice 21: As long as they don't break down on the outside.

[1:00:10] Voice 21: Yeah, of course.

[1:00:13] Voice 30: Oh, that's awesome. Thank you.

[1:00:14] Voice 30: Thank

[1:00:14] Trustee Patrick: you very much. I'm going over here. Sorry, I saw your hand up after her. Okay, thank you.

[1:00:19] Voice 17: Thank you, Suzanne Jacobson, Lodge Island. First off, thank you so much. Good morning. I'm honored to speak this morning.

[1:00:25] Voice 17: through the chair i'd like to start by saying i did read the policy i'm not a lawyer and i'm not

[1:00:32] Voice 17: a policy expert i found it to be a very heavy read i must say and i have a lot of questions but first

[1:00:38] Voice 17: off what comes to mind and thank you for your presentation one of the things i did notice was

[1:00:45] Voice 17: we're supposed to be unique islands that's what it says here and when i if i'm understanding this

[1:00:50] Voice 17: and please correct me if I'm wrong,

[1:00:52] Voice 17: but it sounds to me like if this policy is passed,

[1:00:56] Voice 17: our trustees now must only refer to that policy

[1:01:01] Voice 17: when they're making decisions on our OPC, et cetera.

[1:01:06] Voice 17: And it sounds to me like all this take lot coverage,

[1:01:09] Voice 17: for example, it says 10%, we're all unique.

[1:01:12] Voice 17: You're putting us, I feel,

[1:01:14] Voice 17: it's putting us all in one big cockpit

[1:01:15] Voice 17: and you're making us the same, not unique.

[1:01:18] Voice 17: make. There's islands that are smaller with ferry service, without ferry service, with power,

[1:01:24] Voice 17: without power. Coming from Mudge Island, we probably have some of the smallest lots and 10%

[1:01:32] Voice 17: you can't put a house and a septic and all of that on it with 10% and we are right in the middle

[1:01:39] Voice 17: of working with our trustees and have been for over a year now on changing our plans which there's

[1:01:45] Voice 17: only three or four issues that are very serious that we'd like to change but one of them is lot

[1:01:50] Voice 17: coverage we're at 10 percent and it's just not practical for most or a number of them so as

[1:02:00] Voice 17: opposed to and i think you're tying the hands of our trustee why do we need them anymore they have

[1:02:05] Voice 17: to follow that policy they they have to follow it all the work that we've done in the last 18 months

[1:02:11] Voice 17: is or not so we're one of the people that it will affect our island is one of the islands that will

[1:02:17] Voice 17: be affected right away so i'm concerned with that that's just one aspect there's a lot of

[1:02:24] Voice 17: a lot of it but most importantly i think it it takes it ties our trustees hands and it doesn't

[1:02:31] Voice 17: look at all islands as unique it's putting them all in one bucket and we're all 10 percent or

[1:02:36] Voice 17: where all this or that and i don't think that that is well thought out or something that is um even

[1:02:45] Voice 17: practical for all islands so thank you for

[1:02:47] Trustee Patrick: listening thank you very much but i want to

[1:02:50] Trustee Patrick: look to staff um it doesn't i don't read this setting attempt it says that you just must set

[1:02:55] Trustee Patrick: um set doesn't say must set lot coverage limits so it does not set um and i think that's an example

[1:03:04] Trustee Patrick: No, it does not say 10%.

[1:03:06] Voice 29: Maybe in its version.

[1:03:08] Voice 29: Yeah,

[1:03:08] Trustee Patrick: this draft does not say just to set lot coverage.

[1:03:13] Trustee Patrick: But this is an example of how your local trust committee would make

[1:03:17] Voice 7: it relevant to lot coverage.

[1:03:39] Voice 7: It already has one.

[1:03:39] Voice 7: Well,

[1:03:40] Trustee Patrick: maybe people are satisfied with it, but they would have that conversation.

[1:03:43] Trustee Patrick: What

[1:03:44] Voice 6: it says is set floor area and lot coverage limits for residential development to minimize

[1:03:50] Voice 6: negative environmental impacts, including on land use for agricultural purposes.

[1:03:57] Voice 7: That's what it says.

[1:06:15] Voice 7: I think we're very lucky to

[1:06:17] Voice 16: be in this place.

[1:06:22] Voice 34: Maybe

[1:06:22] Voice 29: just by way of anecdote, and the Chair will perhaps remember this better than I do,

[1:06:27] Voice 29: because I came along later but it's my sense that in an earlier iteration of this document going

[1:06:32] Voice 29: back two or three years that there were actually some some numbers I don't know whether it was on

[1:06:38] Voice 29: law coverage specifically but there was you know a recommended floor area limit a recommended set

[1:06:43] Voice 29: back from the natural boundary of the sea and I think trust council at that time found that to

[1:06:49] Voice 29: be problematic potentially for the same reasons that that you've raised here that didn't reflect

[1:06:54] Voice 29: individual islands and their unique characteristics thank

[1:06:58] Voice 17: you i'm gonna look through my notes because

[1:07:00] Voice 17: i just read it in the last couple days the 10 so if i find it and i'll let you know thank you

[1:07:07] Voice 17: thank you very much all

[1:07:09] Voice 5: right now i'm sorry and then within you thank you um i just have to add

[1:07:16] Voice 5: something here um there's new research out that recharge areas are very important and it's

[1:07:23] Voice 5: unfragmented forest canopies that is resupplying the groundwater on Gabriola. That's it. We don't

[1:07:31] Voice 5: have any watersheds. We don't have any lakes like Salt Spring. What we have is groundwater and

[1:07:38] Voice 5: groundwater is resupplied by the unfragmented forest canopies, bogs and marshes. So it's very

[1:07:45] Voice 5: very important that we identify and delineate or figure out a way to protect the recharge areas

[1:07:55] Voice 5: because they are our groundwater. The other thing is about density is that you look at the village.

[1:08:02] Voice 5: The village is higher density. We used to be a well-watered area. We are no longer a well-watered

[1:08:09] Voice 5: area so higher density produces not only a lack of water of decrease in water levels it also

[1:08:18] Voice 5: produces concentrated sewage and gabriola is a rock with a very thin layer of soil

[1:08:26] Voice 5: and that sewage goes into the soil and it goes down to the nearest wells it keeps on going down

[1:08:36] Voice 5: and especially with pharmaceuticals and drugs like chemotherapy drugs and other drugs it goes down

[1:08:43] Voice 5: into the wells and into the lowest level into the marine into the estuaries into the ecosystem

[1:08:50] Voice 5: we can't afford to have any more development on this island we cannot afford to have subdivisions

[1:08:59] Voice 5: any more subdivisions but we can't those subdivisions should be turned into

[1:09:04] Voice 5: to, areas that are parks, forests, we should be reclaiming the forests, anything but more

[1:09:12] Voice 5: development. And that is crucial to the health of our ecosystem.

[1:09:19] Voice 33: Thank

[1:09:20] Trustee Elliott: you very much. And then you, go ahead.

[1:09:23] Trustee Elliott: I just wanted to add, Erin Needle, I just wanted to add to Earl's

[1:09:27] Voice 15: comment on 3.4.5 climate

[1:09:31] Voice 15: chain mitigation for minimizing greenhouse gas emissions another um adaptation is uh

[1:09:40] Voice 15: active transportation routes and prioritizing those i know trustees

[1:09:48] Trustee Patrick: i know we've had lots of

[1:09:50] Trustee Patrick: discussion about africans go ahead so

[1:09:54] Trustee Elliott: maybe we can have um after you've heard from our community

[1:09:58] Trustee Elliott: members, but just an articulation of how the policy works as a whole, because where it

[1:10:04] Trustee Elliott: says, you know, support active transportation networks in the transportation section, it's

[1:10:10] Trustee Elliott: not necessarily that everything we want to see to support and mitigate climate change

[1:10:16] Trustee Elliott: is just in the climate change section.

[1:10:18] Trustee Elliott: So I think maybe, I'm hearing from Jason about how does it work together in the collective

[1:10:26] Trustee Elliott: of all of those policies, so I would totally take your point that active transportation is one of those key areas that we should look at.

[1:10:36] Trustee Elliott: Is there a 3.4.1D?

[1:10:38] Trustee Elliott: There

[1:10:38] Trustee Patrick: is a whole policy on active transportation, but sure, Jace must talk about sort of the, how does this document work as a whole versus individual policies?

[1:10:52] Voice 29: Right? I mean, that's where there's a little bit of interplay sort of between the staff and the trustee level.

[1:10:58] Voice 29: I mean, I can just explain operationally what it looks like for planning staff at the moment to use this document in our review of bylaws.

[1:11:08] Voice 29: So when an official community plan or land use bylaw is being amended on one of the islands, we have what's called the policy statement directives only checklist.

[1:11:17] Voice 29: and it has each of the policies that are in the existing policy statement the one that's in force

[1:11:22] Voice 29: and planning staff do go through each of the items in that checklist and make an assessment

[1:11:27] Voice 29: of whether or not in our estimation that policy is being complied with by a given bylaw not all

[1:11:34] Voice 29: bylaws are going to trigger all of the policies obviously if you were doing a comprehensive update

[1:11:40] Voice 29: to your official community plan then very likely all of the policies in the policy statement are

[1:11:45] Voice 29: are going to be engaged. If it's a minor spot rezoning, such as the one that has been considered

[1:11:51] Voice 29: in the public hearing today, that may not engage all of the policies. And so we just make a sort

[1:11:56] Voice 29: of a judgment as to whether a given policy is engaged by a particular by-law. And at the end

[1:12:02] Voice 29: of the day, or at the end of that review, we then present the outcomes of that checklist review to

[1:12:09] Voice 29: the local trust committee. And with a determination of whether or not in staff's estimation,

[1:12:14] Voice 29: the policy statement is being or whether the proposed bylaw is consistent with the policy

[1:12:19] Voice 29: statement then it's over to the local trust committee in their judgment to say whether

[1:12:24] Voice 29: they agree with staff's estimation or not and sometimes they do and sometimes they don't that's

[1:12:29] Voice 29: where trustees and their knowledge of their local community and what's important to their community

[1:12:33] Voice 29: on a given bylaw will will make that judgment and then it goes to executive committee for the same

[1:12:39] Voice 29: assessment um yeah i don't know if it was trustee elliott was that yeah

[1:12:46] Trustee Elliott: it's it's that no one policy

[1:12:48] Trustee Elliott: is ever going to be a complete articulation of the goal um so if you look at the objectives of each

[1:12:56] Trustee Elliott: section so goal four foster sustainable inclusive and resilient communities it'll have those

[1:13:02] Trustee Elliott: policies about managing growth and development so what steve is pointing to that where we direct

[1:13:09] Trustee Elliott: any future growth and development you know is captured on policy 3.4.2 managing growth by

[1:13:17] Trustee Elliott: directing it into suitable locations to prevent sprawl minimize fragmentation of forests to your

[1:13:23] Trustee Elliott: point alex uh lands and avoid adverse impacts to indigenous cultural heritage you know and then in

[1:13:29] Trustee Elliott: the transportation policies it's that it should um you know cooperate with other agencies but also

[1:13:38] Trustee Elliott: So you're required to identify and establish appropriately situated and safe, comfortable and equitable transportation networks to reduce dependency on private automobile use.

[1:13:47] Trustee Elliott: So they have to work together, but that's why we have these different policies, because they each share a vision for how to express the mandate of the Autonomous Trust and how to afford the objects to preserve.

[1:14:03] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair Patrick, and thank you, Alicia.

[1:14:08] Voice 6: the advisor yeomans um i know we want to keep this document trim and i know we don't want to keep

[1:14:12] Voice 6: repeating things but as um stephen earl has pointed out the biggest challenge to all of us right now

[1:14:18] Voice 6: and into the next decades is climate change there is no question about it um so i think that we

[1:14:27] Voice 6: should include something about active transportation just one small phrase in the 3.4.5 climate change

[1:14:35] Voice 6: it doesn't hurt maybe we could say it every page and it wouldn't hurt so you know don't have to

[1:14:41] Voice 6: get into details about routes and modes and whatever just active transportation walking

[1:14:46] Voice 6: and cycling and you might think this is funny but i actually made a note of the consider nature-based

[1:14:53] Voice 6: solutions in this climate change and i i put to myself just keep nature because as alex has

[1:15:02] Voice 6: As pointed out in the back,

[1:15:03] Voice 6: unfragmented forest is how we keep our water on this island.

[1:15:08] Voice 6: So, yeah.

[1:15:10] Trustee Patrick: And I think in additional pieces,

[1:15:14] Trustee Patrick: building these things is always,

[1:15:17] Trustee Patrick: if I were to start it again today,

[1:15:19] Trustee Patrick: would I do it this way or do it a different,

[1:15:20] Trustee Patrick: how do you bring policies in?

[1:15:22] Trustee Patrick: And as we wrestle with the implementation of this,

[1:15:25] Trustee Patrick: we're gonna have to talk about how do we communicate this?

[1:15:28] Trustee Patrick: And this is written in sort of policy language,

[1:15:33] Trustee Patrick: um that we are going to need to have plain language uh documents that speak to everyone

[1:15:38] Trustee Patrick: and make sense so that um because it is hard we have to break these to have individual policies

[1:15:45] Trustee Patrick: yet collectively they thank you all right now one in the back row was new and then uh

[1:15:53] Voice 22: go ahead thank you uh chair patrick and trustees yates and elliott i'm rob rockley i'm here

[1:16:01] Voice 22: to speak on behalf of Gabriela Land and Grails Trust.

[1:16:06] Voice 22: In early 2022, GALS approached the other conservancies

[1:16:11] Voice 22: and land trusts operating within the trust area

[1:16:13] Voice 22: to ask if they would agree to collaborate on a review

[1:16:17] Voice 22: of a draft revision of the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[1:16:20] Voice 22: that had recently been released for a public comment.

[1:16:24] Voice 22: I believe that was draft one.

[1:16:25] Voice 22: Eleven conservancies ultimately participated

[1:16:28] Voice 22: and we submitted our comprehensive review to the Islands Trust in March of that year.

[1:16:36] Voice 22: Our review enthusiastically endorsed many of the new commitments and policies

[1:16:40] Voice 22: aimed at protecting lands and waters in the trust area

[1:16:44] Voice 22: and made several specific recommendations for improvement.

[1:16:50] Voice 22: We were delighted to see clearly stated recognition

[1:16:52] Voice 22: that the Islands Trust currently lacks the jurisdictional powers

[1:16:57] Voice 22: to fulfill this preserve and protect mandate.

[1:17:00] Voice 22: And we strongly endorse and trust new commitments

[1:17:04] Voice 22: to move from encourage to advocate

[1:17:07] Voice 22: with dealing with the provincial government

[1:17:09] Voice 22: and other agencies on issues affecting the environment.

[1:17:13] Voice 22: We are especially happy to see the new strongly worded

[1:17:17] Voice 22: for stewardship commitments and policies

[1:17:20] Voice 22: as we add in trust commitment to seek more authority

[1:17:24] Voice 22: over forest harvesting and tree cutting.

[1:17:27] Voice 22: As trustees, you know that unregulated tree cutting on privately owned lands is a leading cause of the relentless fragmentation of natural habitat in the trust area.

[1:17:40] Voice 22: Three years have passed, and we now have yet another draft order of payment in funds.

[1:17:46] Voice 22: Sadly, it's a very different, and in our opinion, far less effective document than the previous draft.

[1:17:52] Voice 22: Much of the language that the 11 land trusts enthusiastically endorsed in 2022 regarding forest stewardship is absent from the current draft.

[1:18:05] Voice 22: Gone is Trust Council's previous commitment that clear-cutting of forests and logging of old growth is inappropriate anywhere in the trust area, due to the adverse impacts these activities have on the fragile ecosystems of the trust area.

[1:18:21] Voice 22: the forest stewardship the associated forest stewardship coordinating policy that would

[1:18:26] Voice 22: advocate the provincial government to grant islands trust the necessary jurisdictional

[1:18:31] Voice 22: authority to prohibit clear cutting and logging of old growth and the ability to regulate tree cutting

[1:18:38] Voice 22: has also emerged from the current draft

[1:18:40] Voice 8: also

[1:18:42] Voice 22: missing is the previous directive policy to

[1:18:46] Voice 22: designate forest ecosystem reserves where no extraction would take place in order to promote

[1:18:52] Voice 22: the retention of native biodiversity. As a land trust dedicated to the protection and preservation

[1:18:59] Voice 22: of natural areas, GALT is deeply disappointed that these important forest stewardship commitments

[1:19:05] Voice 22: and policies have been removed from the current draft policy statement. The

[1:19:10] Voice 22: sensitive ecosystems

[1:19:11] Voice 22: systems in the trust area are under intense pressure from population growth and the effects

[1:19:16] Voice 22: of climate change. The Islands Trust clearly does not have the tools at its disposal to

[1:19:23] Voice 22: effectively carry out its preserve and protect mandate with respect to the environment. At

[1:19:29] Voice 22: the very least, we believe the policy statement should be honest enough to acknowledge that

[1:19:35] Voice 22: fact. As you know, many islands in the trust area currently fall far short of BC's 30 by 30

[1:19:44] Voice 22: conservation commitments for lands and waters. Gabriel is just near the bottom of the list

[1:19:50] Voice 22: at 13% of its lands currently protected. Galt is very disappointed that the draft policy statement

[1:19:57] Voice 22: does not include this aspirational conservation goal. Finally, the 2022

[1:20:04] Voice 22: The 2022 draft policy statement referenced research from the Islands Trust Conservancy indicated that some islands in the Trust area, including Gabriola, are approaching or have already surpassed accepted thresholds of human disturbance, above which ecosystem health is known to decline.

[1:20:25] Voice 22: Gauld is alarmed that this important statement has been removed from the current draft.

[1:20:31] Voice 22: The Islands Trust's policy statement is a foundational document that outlines the principles

[1:20:37] Voice 22: and policies used by the Islands Trust Council to fulfill its mandate.

[1:20:43] Voice 22: However, strong policies, and the document does contain many strong policies, are simply

[1:20:50] Voice 22: not enough.

[1:20:51] Voice 22: Unless the Islands Trust commits to a tolerable cap on human disturbance, the relentless pressures

[1:20:58] Voice 22: pressures on the Trust Area's unique environment will inevitably continue. We'll be destined

[1:21:04] Voice 22: to passively watch as it slowly disappears forever, and the Islands Trust will have failed

[1:21:10] Voice 22: to accomplish what it was created to do. In Galt's opinion, the current draft document

[1:21:16] Voice 22: falls far short of what is needed to effectively preserve and protect the fragile ecosystems

[1:21:22] Voice 22: systems of the trust area i urge our trustees to solely reflect on these shortcomings before

[1:21:28] Voice 22: submitting their recommendations to trust council on whether it should be adopted thank you thank

[1:21:34] Trustee Patrick: you can you submit your written comments because i think uh we would really appreciate uh having that

[1:21:39] Trustee Patrick: uh just a question

[1:21:41] Trustee Elliott: so the um previous draft that you're referring to i'm just looking at the past

[1:21:46] Trustee Elliott: ones. The last that might have been sent for review was updated July 15, 2021.

[1:21:55] Trustee Elliott: That one has forest stewardship policies. Okay. All right. Thank you for that.

[1:22:06] Voice 33: I think I see you. I'm Nancy Heatherington-Peirce. Two things to ask you about in the section

[1:22:15] Voice 33: on well first in the glossary so it's on page 31 the definition of land use

[1:22:25] Voice 33: density and intensity I'm just wondering if in the second sentence before the

[1:22:31] Voice 33: word unit if you could add residential unit that's just a clarity thing in the

[1:22:38] Voice 33: interest of having the document clearly understood by lay readers I just think I

[1:22:44] Voice 33: I think it's implicit, but it would be helpful if it could just be added.

[1:22:49] Voice 33: My second comment has to do in the section of the goal of fostering sustainable, inclusive, and resilient communities.

[1:22:58] Voice 33: It was specifically in 3.4.11 and 0.14 and 0.15.

[1:23:11] Voice 33: So in 0.11, the word attainable housing is used.

[1:23:16] Voice 33: And then a few rows down in 15 and 16.

[1:23:23] Voice 33: Yeah, sorry, I said 14, it's 15 and 16, sorry.

[1:23:26] Voice 33: The word affordable housing is used.

[1:23:30] Voice 33: So, and I've raised this issue also, I think, at that mid-September workshop on the trust policy.

[1:23:39] Voice 33: But I think the word attainable, I'd like to see the word attainable replaced by affordable.

[1:23:43] Voice 33: I asked then about what would be a definition of attainable and the staff didn't have a

[1:23:52] Voice 33: sort of ready answer I've done some research myself and asked others who are pretty knowledgeable

[1:23:57] Voice 33: because there's not a straightforward definition and so and again for also internal consistency

[1:24:04] Voice 33: here in this section I think it would be helpful to use the word affordable and then

[1:24:11] Voice 33: And my second part of this point is that in the glossary,

[1:24:16] Voice 33: I think it would be helpful to have a definition for affordable housing.

[1:24:22] Voice 33: Because housing is one of the central reasons why the whole review came about,

[1:24:29] Voice 33: et cetera, et cetera, I know the glossary can't include everything,

[1:24:33] Voice 33: but I think it would be useful.

[1:24:34] Voice 33: And I'd suggest you look at the Gabriel Housing Society's definition, which is in the FAQ section of our website.

[1:24:49] Voice 33: I'm involved with the Affordable Housing Society.

[1:24:51] Voice 33: but basically it makes the point that in the general general connotation affordable housing

[1:25:00] Voice 33: is made is means for people of modest or low incomes number one and in that income category

[1:25:09] Voice 33: then the idea of roughly no more than 30 percent of a gross household income going to housing

[1:25:18] Voice 33: I think the first part is often misunderstood in the general context, but in the FAQ, that

[1:25:28] Voice 33: second part of the 30% is a definition that's used by the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation.

[1:25:34] Voice 33: There's a definite reference for that.

[1:25:37] Voice 33: So thank you.

[1:25:40] Voice 33: Those are my comments.

[1:25:42] Voice 33: Thanks.

[1:25:42] Voice 33: Thank you very much.

[1:25:44] Voice 33: All right.

[1:25:45] Trustee Elliott: Go ahead.

[1:25:45] Trustee Elliott: Can I just, so I do see there's two definitions on our project website right now for the OCP review.

[1:25:54] Trustee Elliott: Maybe we can talk about that when we get to the OCP section.

[1:25:57] Trustee Elliott: But staff have provided a definition of attainable housing.

[1:26:03] Trustee Elliott: I'm not sure if it's the one that will be captured, but I also just wanted to pause and ask a question about the glossary.

[1:26:11] Trustee Elliott: if the glossary of terms is a technical instrument that's used or not because my understanding is

[1:26:19] Trustee Elliott: that the glossary of terms helps with feedback on the document but it's actually not going to

[1:26:25] Trustee Elliott: be part of the final document and so I have to I just want to clarify that oh no

[1:26:36] Voice 9: you're going

[1:26:37] Voice 29: to clarify oh

[1:26:37] Trustee Patrick: no I have a question okay you're stuck you have to answer that

[1:26:41] Trustee Patrick: sure

[1:26:41] Voice 29: well it's it's my recollection perhaps the trustments agree that in the version that trust

[1:26:48] Voice 29: council received for consideration of first reading there was a caveat on the glossary of

[1:26:54] Voice 29: terms page that said this will be removed

[1:26:57] Voice 9: prior

[1:26:58] Voice 29: to adoption but that a resolution was made by trust

[1:27:02] Voice 29: council to remove that caveat i believe because they wanted to see that the glossary of terms

[1:27:07] Voice 29: remains a part of it.

[1:27:11] Trustee Patrick: Further, I understood that for this version,

[1:27:15] Trustee Patrick: we also put the reference to each of those glossary terms in this version,

[1:27:20] Trustee Patrick: and in the final version of that reference could be removed.

[1:27:24] Trustee Patrick: It would be now our definition.

[1:27:26] Trustee Patrick: We're trying to base it on real definitions,

[1:27:28] Trustee Patrick: not create but not real,

[1:27:30] Trustee Patrick: but published definitions,

[1:27:31] Trustee Patrick: acceptable definitions of that theory.

[1:27:34] Voice 33: Can I just add one other little thing?

[1:27:36] Voice 33: It would be helpful then, and I'm glad to hear the glossary will be included, it would

[1:27:41] Voice 33: be helpful if when the words that are in the glossary, when they appear in the text of

[1:27:47] Voice 33: the document, could they be italicized?

[1:27:49] Voice 33: Yeah.

[1:27:49] Voice 33: I find that very useful in our own OCP and LUB to know which words have a definition

[1:27:55] Voice 33: right off the bat when I'm reading through something.

[1:27:58] Voice 33: Thank you.

[1:27:59] Voice 33: Did you have a point?

[1:28:00] Voice 6: Yes.

[1:28:00] Voice 6: I just wanted to get back to the word attainable in 3.4.11, because affordable is definitely

[1:28:07] Voice 6: used elsewhere.

[1:28:08] Voice 6: And I remember questioning this myself, because I made the comment, anyone, anything is attainable.

[1:28:13] Voice 6: You just have to have enough money.

[1:28:15] Voice 6: Affordable is a different thing.

[1:28:17] Voice 6: So attainable doesn't mean anything as far as affordability.

[1:28:21] Voice 6: So I don't think we should be using that.

[1:28:23] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:28:24] Voice 11: I just want

[1:28:25] Trustee Patrick: to pull, I'm going to keep going with first-time speakers first.

[1:28:27] Trustee Patrick: I know there's a lot of people who want to jump in on this conversation, but I'd like

[1:28:30] Trustee Patrick: to be worked good everyone have an opportunity to go first and then we'll come back so i'm still in

[1:28:36] Trustee Patrick: first time speakers and i'll go with uh i'm sorry okay and then and then you okay so you're up

[1:28:46] Voice 20: uh my name is john gatton myself earlier thanks for allowing me to be here and speak um in terms

[1:28:55] Voice 20: the environmental questions, I just want to point out that on Center Stage's 115 acres,

[1:29:04] Voice 20: but I have to go back further than that. My wife's goal in 2005, in terms of doing the density

[1:29:14] Voice 20: transfer, was because she felt and recognized that

[1:29:18] Voice 9: the

[1:29:19] Voice 20: 77 acres was perhaps one of the most

[1:29:25] Voice 20: significant water recharge areas on the island and her goal was to protect that recharge area

[1:29:31] Voice 20: by using the density transfer provisions to do that um so that's the first point

[1:29:40] Voice 20: the land that she has left 150 acres uh has excellent water in terms of water quality

[1:29:47] Voice 20: i think there's the wells have all been drilled for the 14 months that

[1:29:51] Voice 20: we thought were going to be approved. They all have action with water. The soil

[1:30:00] Voice 20: For subdivision purposes, you have to achieve septic approval of four feet of percolable material over an area of approximately 10,000 square feet for each acreage parcel that is being produced.

[1:30:16] Voice 20: We have done that work. It was approved in the last week.

[1:30:20] Voice 20: so from 14 lots that average five acres each on 115 acres

[1:30:27] Voice 20: we have shown at least 10 000 square feet on each of those four feet of purple material

[1:30:34] Voice 20: so i think that demonstrates the uniqueness of the location of properties in compared to these

[1:30:47] Voice 20: general policies about water and septic so it's a big issue to move a lot of density downtown

[1:30:54] Voice 20: where there is very little soil difficult water that's not the case on the south end

[1:31:03] Voice 20: where we are so that's the first point um unfortunately i'll just let me say this

[1:31:14] Voice 20: that there's not many people here today to address what I think is a generational,

[1:31:21] Voice 20: absolutely mammoth change to the entire future of the agri-oil. So all of these comments are

[1:31:29] Voice 20: actually they're heartfelt and they're genuine and I think there's nothing that's been said

[1:31:34] Voice 20: here that I wouldn't agree with. The environment is critical, climate change is important,

[1:31:38] Voice 20: important. Density is important. We want to preserve what we have on this island, but

[1:31:45] Voice 20: there are pressures on the entire country for people to live and work. So, and I want

[1:31:54] Voice 20: to say this, that in terms of the First Nations, there was a statement at the beginning about

[1:32:00] Voice 20: being respectful. I want to cover it by saying that, as I said before, seven of my family

[1:32:08] Voice 20: and members are Indigenous. Several are special needs. We spent a lifetime working with the

[1:32:15] Voice 20: Indigenous community. We have tremendous regard and respect for the First Nation community

[1:32:22] Voice 20: and obviously we've dedicated a lot of our life to helping First Nations people.

[1:32:28] Voice 20: We support reconciliation. We're a little uncertain what that means today.

[1:32:34] Voice 20: day. I went around my community in the last two days, spoke to five people, none of whom

[1:32:43] Voice 20: were aware of the buffer and the buffer proposed and the protections we're talking about.

[1:32:50] Trustee Patrick: I think the buffer, this is, I'd like to separate the buffer conversation could be in the next

[1:32:57] Trustee Patrick: piece that's not a that's not a policy well

[1:33:00] Voice 20: the the the my concern is the whole policy piece

[1:33:06] Voice 20: number one i i feel this is outside the jurisdiction of violence trust to be

[1:33:14] Voice 20: taking the steps to in a sense interfere with or or be involved with matters that are first

[1:33:23] Voice 20: nation issues but in my view are the federal government and the provincial government's

[1:33:27] Voice 20: responsibility. And I think the fact that so few people here

[1:33:36] Voice 20: tells me this, that when Richmond citizens wake up and

[1:33:46] Voice 20: find out that they may not own their land, but I think this is

[1:33:51] Voice 20: directly related to a policy statement of which almost all of

[1:33:53] Voice 20: it is related to First Nations reconciliation. So what I'm

[1:33:59] Voice 20: saying is, what we learned from the Cowichan case is that the

[1:34:04] Voice 20: government of British Columbia, the city of Richmond, were totally non-transparent with

[1:34:11] Voice 20: the citizens and residents of Richmond. They woke up and found that they may not have title to their

[1:34:16] Voice 20: land. And that is now causing the government to finally try to address the real issue of how do

[1:34:27] Voice 20: Indigenous lands relate to private property lands. We're talking about making massive changes to

[1:34:34] Voice 20: to lands on Gabe Geroa that may be First Nations land.

[1:34:38] Voice 20: We may not even have titles

[1:34:40] Voice 20: to any of the properties on this island.

[1:34:43] Voice 20: And that issue to me should be resolved

[1:34:45] Voice 20: before we start talking about all these other issues.

[1:34:47] Voice 20: Who owns the property on Gabe Geroa?

[1:34:50] Voice 20: What decisions are you making here

[1:34:53] Voice 20: that affect what might be First Nations title?

[1:34:57] Voice 20: And I don't think, I think this whole process should stop

[1:35:01] Voice 20: until we really have some

[1:35:05] Voice 20: recognition as to where the government is gonna go on this

[1:35:07] Voice 20: and where the first nations are going to go and i'll just say i i brought an article i just saw

[1:35:12] Voice 20: in the paper this morning from the mayor of richmond or when the counselor in richmond

[1:35:19] Voice 20: and if you

[1:35:20] Voice 19: can be chair um i think we're yeah we need to stay in line in regards to the policy

[1:35:24] Voice 19: and the discussion um i don't think uh you know the racial this is the provincial um jurisdiction

[1:35:31] Voice 19: i think we're stepping out of the line embarrassing the purpose and why we're here

[1:35:36] Voice 19: Well,

[1:35:36] Trustee Patrick: thank you very much, Joe. And I'd like you to stick to the policies that were here. You can speak to your concern, but this is getting into what the provincial business and it

[1:35:50] Voice 11: is

[1:35:51] Trustee Patrick: very much speculating. These are all things before courts.

[1:35:55] Voice 20: so i think that's the point these things are all before and yet we're taking steps to make

[1:36:02] Voice 20: decisions or undermine or conflict with it but let's deal with the policy stay simple

[1:36:08] Voice 20: i see 3.13 says land back through engagement with indigenous government bodies supporting

[1:36:16] Voice 20: support opportunities to direct lands to indigenous government bodies

[1:36:20] Voice 20: my question about this policy is what is the trust position on this paragraph what land are we

[1:36:29] Voice 20: talking about directing back to i don't think the trust owns any land on the enrollment so i have to

[1:36:35] Voice 20: assume this is referring to private lands and then i have to assume because this policy is reflective

[1:36:45] Voice 20: of the decisions the trust had made to cancel not approve our development permit and cancel our

[1:36:50] Voice 20: density so is that what this paragraph is getting at that where the trust can use its tools to

[1:36:58] Voice 20: prevent someone from a building permit or a building a house or a business and they can use

[1:37:06] Voice 20: that to try to direct land back to indigenous bodies great

[1:37:10] Voice 4: question let's um let's hack that

[1:37:13] Voice 4: one a little bit how

[1:37:15] Voice 20: much time do we have how many times we have today no maybe this is the wrong

[1:37:20] Voice 20: No, no, it's a

[1:37:21] Trustee Elliott: perfect place to unpack what is in this advisory policy.

[1:37:28] Trustee Elliott: So, sorry, what was the title of that one?

[1:37:30] Trustee Elliott: 313.

[1:37:31] Trustee Elliott: 313.

[1:37:36] Trustee Elliott: So, yeah, I think the title of that one, so maybe we can ask Hunter Ehrman's, when we're looking at an advisory policy,

[1:37:50] Trustee Elliott: so it has to be written in its complete entirety.

[1:37:54] Trustee Elliott: local trust committees and island municipalities should remind this is an advisory policy

[1:37:59] Trustee Elliott: through engagement with indigenous governing bodies the title of the policy is not

[1:38:04] Trustee Elliott: um it's not the policy itself it's the action so through engagement with indigenous governing

[1:38:10] Trustee Elliott: bodies support opportunities to direct land to indigenous governing bodies including but

[1:38:16] Trustee Elliott: not limited to as amenity contributions in applications seeking additional development

[1:38:22] Trustee Elliott: the potential so i think there's one potential action that we do see an amenity contribution

[1:38:31] Trustee Elliott: which has typically always been interpreted as going to the community so um we had an amenity

[1:38:38] Trustee Elliott: contribution of the 700 acres um through the density transfer that you're referring to

[1:38:45] Trustee Elliott: in exchange for additional supplementary potential.

[1:38:49] Trustee Elliott: Is that correct?

[1:38:50] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:38:52] Trustee Elliott: So this community in 2001 drafted bylaws for that exchange of density

[1:38:57] Trustee Elliott: to take them from one place to the other and secure the 700 acres of the park.

[1:39:02] Trustee Elliott: That's called a community amenity contribution.

[1:39:04] Trustee Elliott: That was a gift to the community.

[1:39:07] Trustee Elliott: What this is saying is could an amenity contribution be also considered

[1:39:12] Trustee Elliott: as a gift to an Indigenous governing body and until a year ago I think the Land Title Act

[1:39:19] Trustee Elliott: changed and Indigenous governing bodies could not hold land so this is an evolving place where

[1:39:27] Trustee Elliott: as we're working on government to government relationships that we're moving away from this

[1:39:34] Trustee Elliott: sphere of just federal and provincial sort of jurisdiction how do we as a community want to

[1:39:41] Trustee Elliott: consider contributions to a community or to Indigenous governing bodies and that would be

[1:39:49] Trustee Elliott: a choice that could be made and so it's opening up that opportunity that if that opportunity exists

[1:39:56] Trustee Elliott: a decision could be made to transfer land to Indigenous governing bodies. Now this is an

[1:40:02] Trustee Elliott: advisory policy. It is not requiring that local trust committees must have this. It does state

[1:40:11] Trustee Elliott: It does set sort of an intention and this is a direction we want to go towards in future years that respects the fact that with preemption, all of these islands were once homes to, and I'm not going to get into it, but we have benefited from being able to settle and live here.

[1:40:36] Trustee Elliott: and perhaps there's a time in the future that indigenous people can return to their homelands

[1:40:42] Trustee Elliott: and live here with us so this potential policy could allow that to happen but it's not a directive

[1:40:49] Trustee Elliott: one and

[1:40:51] Trustee Patrick: generally how many contribution opportunities show up is in in the official

[1:40:56] Trustee Patrick: community plan it says when making rezoning decisions here are all of these things that

[1:41:01] Trustee Patrick: that could be considered an amenity contribution.

[1:41:04] Trustee Patrick: It's pertinent to that particular decision

[1:41:08] Trustee Patrick: that's being made and the decisions that are being made

[1:41:10] Trustee Patrick: in relation to that.

[1:41:13] Trustee Patrick: It could be to park, it could be to First Nations,

[1:41:17] Trustee Elliott: it could be-

[1:41:17] Trustee Elliott: The local trust committee cannot take land

[1:41:19] Trustee Elliott: and give it to, we don't have those powers of expropriation

[1:41:25] Trustee Elliott: like Moti can on behalf of the province

[1:41:27] Trustee Elliott: to take the side road and make it into a road

[1:41:31] Trustee Elliott: or something. So it's, I don't think that is in

[1:41:34] Trustee Elliott: our powers to take land and give it to your stations.

[1:41:40] Voice 20: Well, the problem I have with that is that the, this may be the wrong place. First of all,

[1:41:48] Voice 20: my experience is the opposite. We did our density transfer, we did our consultation with the First

[1:41:53] Voice 20: Nation, they agreed, and now the density is trying to, the trust is trying to cancel the density.

[1:42:03] Voice 20: That's not the First Nations, that's you guys. So words to me are pretty important now,

[1:42:09] Voice 20: because I have lost faith and confidence in the trust. So when I read a paragraph like this,

[1:42:16] Voice 20: I have to measure it in terms of what's happening to me. And the trust is cancelling our density,

[1:42:21] Voice 20: destroying my family, my financial wherewithal. And I don't think that's your jurisdiction,

[1:42:29] Voice 20: Number one, and number two is grossly unfair.

[1:42:35] Voice 20: So when I read a paragraph like this, and I see the rest of this document, it makes

[1:42:40] Voice 20: me really feel that, you know, it does say through engagement with Indigenous government

[1:42:44] Voice 20: bodies.

[1:42:44] Voice 20: I don't see a word in there about through engagement with Indigenous government bodies

[1:42:47] Voice 20: and owners of property on Gaberoa, the engagement is with Indigenous, and that's my problem.

[1:42:52] Voice 20: The trust has made decisions or made drawn conclusions about property rights and indigenous

[1:43:03] Voice 20: rights without regard to private property owners in interest.

[1:43:10] Voice 20: And I think until that issue is resolved, I think we're in really dangerous water here

[1:43:16] Voice 20: because I don't trust the provincial government anymore after what's happened in the Couch

[1:43:21] Voice 20: in case I don't trust the trust because I think they've reneged on our commitment in 2005

[1:43:29] Voice 20: and I think they're doing things outside of their jurisdiction that the federal government should be

[1:43:36] Voice 20: doing and if you want to get advisory and consult with the First Nations but what I see here is

[1:43:44] Voice 20: your position is and it's what's happened to us and if you do these DP areas what you're really

[1:43:53] Voice 20: going to what we have to trust you is that you're not going to do what you did to us you have a DP

[1:43:59] Voice 20: on this island you have to apply to the trust for a DP permit you people say well we think your

[1:44:06] Voice 20: reports aren't good enough so we're not going to accept your professional report and in any event

[1:44:11] Voice 20: we have the right to protect the nation and we think you're not protecting them and on top of

[1:44:16] Voice 20: that you need nations consent and there's no way we know what constitutes consent from your point

[1:44:24] Voice 20: of view because the government has a different perspective yeah

[1:44:27] Trustee Patrick: i think you've got your own case

[1:44:30] Trustee Patrick: and i would like to stick to the policies here i do appreciate the comments that you've made

[1:44:35] Trustee Patrick: made we've heard you um and i'd like to go on so first first i'm sorry go ahead yeah just um

[1:44:42] Voice 29: from a jurisdictional standpoint because this is a question that has come up whether or not the

[1:44:47] Voice 29: trust is is tiptoeing into things that are provincial or federal jurisdiction as part of

[1:44:53] Voice 29: our bylaws approval process both the trust policy statement and official community plans of the

[1:44:59] Voice 29: trust the minister of municipal affairs and and housing has to sign off on these bylaws so they

[1:45:05] Voice 29: they ultimately, before they become law,

[1:45:07] Voice 29: they go to the minister to make sure

[1:45:08] Voice 29: that the provincial interest is being satisfied.

[1:45:12] Voice 29: And almost, well, the province looks at two things.

[1:45:16] Voice 29: They look at whether or not their interests

[1:45:17] Voice 29: are being positively or negatively affected by the bylaw.

[1:45:22] Voice 29: And they also ask us whether or not

[1:45:24] Voice 29: we have duly engaged Indigenous governing bodies

[1:45:27] Voice 29: in the consideration of these bylaws.

[1:45:29] Voice 29: So they want to see our record

[1:45:30] Voice 29: of what sort of consultation you've done on bylaws.

[1:45:34] Voice 29: they want to see what the nations said to us in response to the bylaw that we've sent them and

[1:45:40] Voice 29: they want to know what the islands trust has done about what we've heard from the nations that have

[1:45:45] Voice 29: said something about the bylaw it doesn't mean that the trust is expected necessarily to do

[1:45:49] Voice 29: everything that indigenous governing bodies ask of us in the course of the bylaw referral

[1:45:53] Voice 29: but there is the implication that we should be responding to what we hear from from nations when

[1:46:00] Voice 29: we refer things to so while you know perhaps i don't know constitutionally yes there are federal

[1:46:07] Voice 29: and provincial jurisdiction on these matters but the minister has made fairly clear that there's a

[1:46:12] Voice 29: islands trust is going to be held to a high standard when it comes to engagement with

[1:46:17] Voice 29: indigenous governing bodies it

[1:46:19] Trustee Elliott: is really helpful and and we've had some conversations with different

[1:46:23] Trustee Elliott: different ministries as to it's kind of called downloading it is the province's duty to consult

[1:46:30] Trustee Elliott: on behalf of the crown so consults and accommodation but we're moving away from that

[1:46:34] Trustee Elliott: and the province because we are an agency of the province that is structured um like you said not

[1:46:41] Trustee Elliott: a regional district or not a municipality we're think of it as maybe like motif kind of an agency

[1:46:47] Trustee Elliott: of the province and so the province expects us as the parent to provide that record of engagement

[1:46:54] Trustee Elliott: um i have in my first year um at the south pender ltc we had a bylaw an ocp

[1:47:03] Trustee Elliott: amendment returned from the ministry of municipal affairs and housing and it was not

[1:47:09] Trustee Elliott: accepted because there hadn't been demonstrated sufficient engagement with first nations

[1:47:14] Trustee Elliott: and so it actually it was a it was trying to provide a prologue of an acknowledgement of

[1:47:21] Trustee Elliott: the territories of the satanic peoples and in whom we operate but because there wasn't a record

[1:47:28] Trustee Elliott: of first nations expression of what they wanted to see in the engagement

[1:47:37] Trustee Elliott: table it was rejected so the expectation is that we hear and if we can't accommodate

[1:47:44] Trustee Elliott: accommodate, we at least list why. What efforts have we made to meet the request or the concern?

[1:47:53] Trustee Elliott: So and that's the same thing we do for communities. We're hearing your concerns and we want to

[1:47:58] Trustee Elliott: fold this in and give that feedback and say this is what we need to consider, this is

[1:48:03] Trustee Elliott: what people are telling us. So your input is very important.

[1:48:07] Trustee Patrick: Alright so first, I'm still with first-time speakers, so I'm gonna go you and then into

[1:48:12] Trustee Patrick: to the back row there oh sorry i did promise you sorry i promised her thank you

[1:48:17] Trustee Patrick: thank you sorry

[1:48:20] Voice 15: hi i'm sybil fray unfortunately i have a number of points um i'll try and be quick uh first of all

[1:48:27] Voice 15: i'm really glad to see that indigenous governance bodies governing bodies and indigenous cultural

[1:48:34] Voice 15: and harvesting sites and other indigenous issues are finally and appropriately in the forefront

[1:48:40] Voice 15: branch of the Trust's draft policy statement. I think that

[1:48:44] Voice 15: this is something that is long overdue. And just in related

[1:48:50] Voice 15: clarifications in 2.3.6, I think that it would be helpful to

[1:48:57] Voice 15: clarify what, while respecting the confidentiality interests of

[1:49:02] Voice 15: Indigenous knowledge holders and Indigenous governance bodies

[1:49:06] Voice 15: these means okay the correct the confidentiality interest I just didn't understand what that meant

[1:49:14] Voice 15: so I think it would be helpful to make that clear in that specific right there and then also in 3.1.3

[1:49:23] Voice 15: what might the amenity contributions be again to clarify what that is I know you just did

[1:49:29] Voice 15: translate but to just put that right into the language so people don't question about what

[1:49:35] Voice 15: are on earth is that um is that a question that can be

[1:49:38] Voice 21: answered um well

[1:49:41] Voice 15: i think it's just a request

[1:49:44] Voice 15: that you add some clarity

[1:49:46] Trustee Patrick: to more language that's what i'm hearing she's just asking

[1:49:49] Trustee Patrick: about a big document should stand on its own and she's asking for more right um

[1:49:54] Voice 15: and then uh

[1:49:56] Voice 15: i have some specific comments i'd like to say that i strongly support 3.4.12 the housing diversity

[1:50:06] Voice 15: 3.4 13 that clustered small buildings and support the other directive and advisory policies on

[1:50:15] Voice 15: housing and i'm very happy to see the inclusion of housing made from natural materials so that's

[1:50:22] Voice 15: just saying i really appreciate what i see in the housing section um a couple of suggestions about

[1:50:30] Voice 15: about how to maybe address something differently.

[1:50:33] Voice 15: Given how much water Gabriel ends end up buying

[1:50:36] Voice 15: in the summer droughts,

[1:50:38] Voice 15: I think 3.5.7, fresh water storage

[1:50:45] Voice 15: should be in the directive policies, not the advisory ones.

[1:50:51] Voice 15: And that all new bills, including our own

[1:50:54] Voice 15: should be required to use rainwater collection.

[1:50:57] Voice 15: Now, I know that for some people who are building, that will be a really expensive requirement.

[1:51:03] Voice 15: I'm actually also imploring the Islands Trust to approach the regional districts, the provincial

[1:51:10] Voice 15: government to provide grants to own homes who cannot afford to install it in order to

[1:51:17] Voice 15: have a home.

[1:51:19] Voice 15: And am I going too fast?

[1:51:22] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, just one second.

[1:51:22] Voice 15: second

[1:51:23] Trustee Elliott: so the 357 freshwater storage you think should be in a directive policy yeah um and i

[1:51:31] Trustee Elliott: just want to pause to do we have the jurisdiction to require freshwater storage um i think we do

[1:51:43] Trustee Elliott: for rezonations but not as part of the building process because we don't oversee building we

[1:51:50] Trustee Elliott: We

[1:51:50] Voice 29: do, to the extent that there are some land use bylaws that require it.

[1:51:59] Voice 29: So the Saturna Island land use bylaw at East Point requires a certain amount of catchment.

[1:52:08] Voice 9: It

[1:52:08] Voice 29: only gets triggered at the time of a building, of a new building, or an addition.

[1:52:14] Voice 7: Right, okay, that's good.

[1:52:16] Voice 29: Do

[1:52:16] Voice 25: you have another example?

[1:52:16] Voice 25: No, I was just going to clarify that, that we couldn't require it retroactive to an existing building necessarily unless there was through some other process.

[1:52:28] Voice 15: Yeah, to me

[1:52:29] Voice 15: it was asking about new builds and considering barged homes as a new build because it's new.

[1:52:34] Voice 15: But it's here for

[1:52:35] Trustee Elliott: enforcement because we don't get every building permit, they do come by, we get, we check for siting and use and then refer the building permit to the regional district.

[1:52:46] Trustee Elliott: so would it be possible to check for every renovation a new build um

[1:52:52] Voice 25: as far as i'm aware

[1:52:54] Voice 25: on hebrew ola and as far as i'm aware at least on all the islands that have billing permits

[1:52:59] Voice 25: uh we do receive referrals for every building permit okay

[1:53:03] Voice 6: perfect just add to that but we don't

[1:53:07] Voice 6: there are dwellings going up that don't have a village permit

[1:53:11] Voice 6: it that's the point of regulation

[1:53:18] Voice 29: cool all right just to piggyback on what stephen said and maybe this is more for the trustees

[1:53:23] Voice 29: benefit um in addition to the land use bylaw approach to fresh water storage i'm aware of

[1:53:28] Voice 29: development permit areas in in water stressed areas so yellow point down the road has a has

[1:53:35] Voice 29: a groundwater protection development permit area recognizing that the water table there is is

[1:53:39] Voice 29: is so it's such a dire strait and that development permit area I believe also requires a water

[1:53:49] Voice 29: storage.

[1:53:54] Voice 15: Thank you.

[1:53:55] Voice 15: Final point.

[1:53:56] Voice 15: In 3.5.12,

[1:53:59] Voice 11: which

[1:54:00] Voice 15: talks about agriculture and adjacent properties, I would encourage

[1:54:05] Voice 15: urge the Island Trust to look at how to balance the needs of farmers, particularly farmers

[1:54:15] Voice 15: who are trying to provide food security, look into regenerative agriculture, et cetera,

[1:54:22] Voice 15: and the needs of adjacent property owners.

[1:54:25] Voice 15: The farmers that I speak with talk about they get a new neighbor, and the new neighbor suddenly

[1:54:32] Voice 15: they have all these expectations about what they won't be doing on their property for example in

[1:54:36] Voice 15: terms of farming so i think the balance doesn't feel fair in how 3.5 2012 is written so i don't

[1:54:46] Voice 15: have a suggestion of how to fix it but i think that there has to be more um

[1:54:57] Voice 15: taking up the also the needs of the farmers themselves and what they need to be able to do

[1:55:03] Voice 15: on the property and what we need them to be able to do on their own

[1:55:07] Trustee Patrick: in order to build

[1:55:08] Voice 15: security understand

[1:55:10] Trustee Patrick: that one very well coming from salt spring in the land of the rooster wars

[1:55:25] Voice 20: I'm a member of, a resident of Mudge Island and also a member of the Mudge Island Community

[1:55:32] Voice 20: Association.

[1:55:34] Voice 20: And I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to speak.

[1:55:39] Voice 20: I think the policy, a tremendous amount of work has been put into it, and I think there's

[1:55:48] Voice 20: some very, very, very good aspects to it.

[1:55:51] Voice 20: But myself, as well as many others in our community, are having a real challenge to

[1:55:58] Voice 20: become familiar with this policy, what it means, and the complexities.

[1:56:03] Voice 20: cities um many uh of my neighbors and uh the community you know are finding it extremely

[1:56:13] Voice 20: hard to read and understand and what does it mean to us and it's you know for the lack of better

[1:56:19] Voice 20: words very bureaucratic and um so it took myself several reads of this policy and a lot of times

[1:56:28] Voice 20: to understand it. I can't imagine how much work has gone behind the scenes. I think

[1:56:36] Voice 20: Flannery Goeman has done a phenomenal job of capturing everything and trying to

[1:56:43] Voice 20: incorporate everything. But something

[1:56:50] Voice 28: said,

[1:56:54] Voice 20: you know, we have an original policy

[1:56:58] Voice 20: policy. And the original policy, I believe, is very clear to preserve and protect. And

[1:57:06] Voice 20: I believe this policy is very much out of the same pocket to preserve and protect. So

[1:57:16] Voice 20: we have an existing policy that's very clear and it's delegated that responsibility onto

[1:57:25] Voice 20: to the trustees to preserve and protect you know on the laws of trust committees and uh to observe

[1:57:33] Voice 20: that policy um and i'm just wondering um through the chair to find this bigger better mousetrap

[1:57:42] Voice 20: if you will um it's it's phenomenal we already have problems administering and managing the

[1:57:51] Voice 20: existing policy with the complexities of this new policy and the size and everything of it

[1:57:59] Voice 20: how how do you think do you think that it will be any easier or harder to administer

[1:58:06] Voice 20: and work with the local trustees on and do you think that it it will really change the goal

[1:58:15] Voice 20: you know of the preserve and protect in a better way and maybe you can just generalize and explain

[1:58:21] Voice 20: explain how. So that's kind of the first question. And then the second question is, through this

[1:58:28] Voice 20: policy, when it becomes ultimately adopted, do you think this will diminish the local

[1:58:39] Voice 20: LTC's authority and the latitudes that they have? And so in order to deviate from certain

[1:58:49] Voice 20: things because we, you know, as Susannah mentioned, we're very separate, all islands are very separate and have separate needs and concerns. So is there that latitude that's hard-coded into this policy where there is a latitude for the trustees to move on these things?

[1:59:19] Voice 20: need

[1:59:20] Trustee Patrick: us to take a political that is i mean it's i mean the latitude questions about political

[1:59:26] Trustee Patrick: decision making in many ways i mean at the end of the day we remain decision makers there is

[1:59:32] Trustee Patrick: interpretation and will always be interpretation i think as a planet of humans though you can

[1:59:37] Trustee Patrick: spend a lot of time crafting a policy and you're crafting it to what you're trying to intend it to

[1:59:45] Trustee Patrick: do at that moment and then as trustees we're in the moment of a decision and the circumstances

[1:59:53] Trustee Patrick: related to that decision have to be taken into the factor of that policy so the decision-making

[1:59:59] Trustee Patrick: elements

[2:00:00] Trustee Patrick: don't disappear. That remains. And I think one of the biggest learnings on this whole process is

[2:00:06] Trustee Patrick: current press policy statement is 1993 vintage, and it hasn't been updated since that time.

[2:00:16] Trustee Patrick: We know that's not the way to maintain policy. And I think that's, we're trying to make sure

[2:00:22] Trustee Patrick: it's built into this process that we don't let this drag on again for decades. This is something

[2:00:28] Trustee Patrick: we should be looking at regularly and making sure that it's current up to date reflects what the

[2:00:35] Trustee Patrick: preserve and protect mandate means today a lot of the policies that were that are in here as well

[2:00:42] Trustee Patrick: are already being seen in the day-to-day work we're doing today because we're not stuck in 1993

[2:00:50] Trustee Patrick: we've all evolved to where we are today so it does feel like a leap in some cases when you're looking

[2:00:57] Trustee Patrick: looking at it but it isn't when you think of how we're doing our business today um it is trying to

[2:01:02] Trustee Patrick: get it written down um feels like a bit of a catch-up because of that um and then hopefully

[2:01:08] Trustee Patrick: going forward we don't ever let this happen again where we wait decades um but on the the oh the

[2:01:17] Trustee Patrick: general question was how to administer it was that there with the bird knowledge yeah

[2:01:24] Voice 29: implementation

[2:01:27] Voice 29: um also i i do need to just preface this by saying i do not write this i inherited it from

[2:01:33] Voice 29: many many people who came before me trust council and its uh committee of the whole

[2:01:39] Voice 29: met more than a dozen times over the course of the last year to fine-tune and make revisions so

[2:01:44] Voice 29: So while I've had a role in helping tinker around the edges,

[2:01:49] Voice 29: I'm not the one who birthed this thing.

[2:01:52] Voice 29: You can blame us.

[2:01:55] Trustee Elliott: We

[2:01:55] Voice 29: inherited it too.

[2:01:56] Voice 29: We're all in it together.

[2:02:01] Voice 29: So as far as, so we're thinking about how this document is going to be implemented.

[2:02:08] Voice 29: This is a subject that I'm hoping I'll be bringing a report to Trust Council in March

[2:02:14] Voice 29: to begin sort of turning the wheels on what that could look like.

[2:02:19] Voice 29: At its most basic, this document just becomes a checklist,

[2:02:24] Voice 29: just like the current policy statement is treated as a checklist.

[2:02:27] Voice 29: Executive committee receives bylaws for review.

[2:02:29] Voice 29: Does it or does it not

[2:02:30] Voice 8: meet that checklist?

[2:02:33] Voice 29: And I suppose what you might call the most comprehensive

[2:02:36] Voice 29: and the most ambitious version of implementing this document,

[2:02:40] Voice 29: It is to begin taking positive steps to do all of the things that this document says

[2:02:47] Voice 29: the Islands Trust should do, which would be quite a body of work to, in a short period

[2:02:53] Voice 29: of time, proactively take steps to, for example, identify and prioritize the preservation,

[2:03:02] Voice 29: protection, and restoration of critical habitat for species at risk.

[2:03:05] Voice 29: Now I don't have it at my fingertips what we know about that critical habitat, but presumably

[2:03:10] Voice 29: that means that somebody is going to have to map where the critical habitats for the species at

[2:03:14] Voice 29: risk are and then decide what it is that on all of the islands we are going to do to protect

[2:03:20] Voice 29: those species at risk like that in itself is a body of work um i imagine the ability to do that

[2:03:30] Voice 29: is going to be dependent on the islands trust budget and decisions that trust council wants

[2:03:36] Voice 29: to make around the budget for for implementation of this document and the time frame in which they

[2:03:41] Voice 29: want to see all of these sort of good ideas implemented whether it's you know within two

[2:03:47] Voice 29: years or within 20 years i know we're gonna hopefully not take 20 years but but so i guess

[2:03:52] Voice 29: that's those are my preliminary thoughts on implementation does that kind of get to

[2:03:57] Voice 29: what you were thinking about administration of it yeah

[2:04:00] Voice 20: i think that's a a great analogy i i and and

[2:04:05] Voice 20: And I was wondering if you were going to get to the word checklist.

[2:04:09] Voice 20: And it's actually a very good fit for what this is.

[2:04:14] Voice 20: But the whole checklist rolled into the policy, it becomes cumbersome, I believe.

[2:04:25] Voice 20: I believe it's too overreaching.

[2:04:29] Voice 20: And preserve and protect is obviously too short.

[2:04:34] Voice 20: and it does need some dusting up but I it isn't possible this has gone too far and and uh I believe

[2:04:46] Voice 20: all of the ideas in here are extremely worthwhile and and but to hard code it into the actual policy

[2:04:56] Voice 20: as complicated as it is to read doesn't really need to be this way and and that's I just question

[2:05:04] Voice 20: that i'm trying to understand it i haven't made a decision on whether it's a great policy a bad

[2:05:10] Voice 20: policy or or not i'm trying you know as many of the community members are trying to understand it

[2:05:18] Voice 20: um but if you can't understand it out of the gate um maybe there's some inherent problems

[2:05:26] Voice 20: problems with the complexity of it and you know that's that's basically and and you know one of

[2:05:35] Voice 20: the things too is also you know if the existing policy is is already challenging to administer

[2:05:43] Voice 20: financially and budget-wise is this going to be any easier and is this going to become

[2:05:49] Voice 20: become more problematic over time as to, you know, how to, how to work with it. So those are just

[2:05:57] Voice 20: questions I have or concerns. And I think they're worthy of giving some thought to. And, you know,

[2:06:08] Voice 20: that's pretty much my summation.

[2:06:10] Trustee Patrick: Well, thank you. And I think some of the complexity issues,

[2:06:15] Trustee Patrick: like I said, if we set and get more rigorous about maintaining it and up to date,

[2:06:19] Voice 9: uh

[2:06:19] Trustee Patrick: that's where you start to gain that experience and then you can make corrections too if you're

[2:06:24] Trustee Patrick: doing it more frequently than being stuck with it for decades is let's let's treat it as a live

[2:06:31] Trustee Patrick: document let's keep it up to date let's let's make corrections because we're doing the best we can

[2:06:36] Trustee Patrick: this is a complicated there are a lot of when we get our you know the referral agencies never mind

[2:06:44] Trustee Patrick: 26 trustees representing 13 local trust bodies uh you know it gets complicated fast just by the

[2:06:52] Trustee Patrick: nature of who we are um and um we're going to get experience with with this we already have

[2:06:59] Trustee Patrick: checklist the current trust policy statement is run through a checklist basis that's how it's

[2:07:05] Trustee Patrick: it's run uh today it is a checklist it is used in the process so thank you all right um

[2:07:15] Trustee Elliott: final comment don't conflate simple language with simple execution um because the reason we have

[2:07:22] Trustee Elliott: spent so long on this and the first draft well i take your point rob that um there are stewardship

[2:07:29] Trustee Elliott: policies that haven't made it into this but there's reasons some policies that were about

[2:07:35] Trustee Elliott: coordination or about things that were outside of the island's trust jurisdiction or control

[2:07:40] Trustee Elliott: that would not have been possible to actually implement.

[2:07:44] Trustee Elliott: And so we are spending the time now as a trust council to get familiar with it.

[2:07:52] Trustee Elliott: So I don't blame you for it.

[2:07:54] Trustee Elliott: It looks complex.

[2:07:56] Trustee Elliott: And I think if I hadn't spent the time that we have over the last two years,

[2:08:01] Trustee Elliott: it would have been quite intimidating because creating policy

[2:08:04] Trustee Elliott: that's going to last for, you know, hopefully 10 years,

[2:08:09] Trustee Elliott: that is broad enough to be general policies for all of the islands yet allow the flexibility

[2:08:17] Trustee Elliott: for our community OCPs to really direct how our communities grow this is really hard work and so

[2:08:25] Trustee Elliott: it's not um it's not intuitive and we've made a lot of well we've learned a lot along the way so

[2:08:32] Trustee Elliott: some of those policies that were in place could also take us off down the path of we actually

[2:08:37] Trustee Elliott: can't enforce that or we can't create a land use bylaw from this policy and so then staff come back

[2:08:43] Trustee Elliott: and say this this won't work or did that but there's another like the checklist is a legislative

[2:08:49] Trustee Elliott: requirement or this policy document we can't get away from that so either we go with one we've got

[2:08:55] Trustee Elliott: and just you know it's kind of good enough but as an example when we were doing the bowen island

[2:09:00] Trustee Elliott: And Bowen Municipality, Metro Vancouver, had a big park project that it wanted to do on Cape Roger Curtis that would have required, they wanted 100 campsites that were low impact.

[2:09:14] Trustee Elliott: There would have had to be, there was no active transportation route to go from the ferry to Cape Roger Curtis.

[2:09:21] Trustee Elliott: Everybody in the community was very alarmed.

[2:09:24] Trustee Elliott: We got 100 letters or something.

[2:09:26] Trustee Elliott: and executive committee we were able to use the policy statement and say i was just looking at

[2:09:33] Trustee Elliott: some of the policies that we returned 14 different instances where the executive committee did not

[2:09:40] Trustee Elliott: feel the islands trust policy statement was upheld in this proposed project and that was the key that

[2:09:48] Trustee Elliott: actually turned metro vancouver back from making this into a regional park and it was like they

[2:09:54] Trustee Elliott: They still think executive committee saved, oh, I mean, it's funny.

[2:09:58] Trustee Elliott: And it was using the policy statement saying, you know, these are our federation values.

[2:10:03] Trustee Elliott: This community is saying this is what matters to us.

[2:10:06] Trustee Elliott: And we're going to use this checklist to say, no, this is a check against too much development.

[2:10:11] Trustee Elliott: This isn't good enough planning.

[2:10:13] Trustee Elliott: So it has its purpose.

[2:10:15] Trustee Elliott: But the refining these policies is the really hard work.

[2:10:18] Trustee Elliott: so

[2:10:19] Voice 20: do you think in the you know often in these cases where an approval process is sought you

[2:10:27] Voice 20: know uh the policy is brought up and said well the policy says and uh it becomes more than a

[2:10:34] Voice 20: checklist it becomes these are the requirements and it's leveraged in a in a way that it makes

[2:10:43] Voice 20: it hard for people to maneuver so in the preamble do you think or in the policy there's uh an

[2:10:52] Voice 20: opportunity to be more flexible with the community and the public in saying that these are our our

[2:11:02] Voice 20: policies and they do have we do have the latitudes through local trust uh authorities to consider

[2:11:13] Voice 20: this and and maneuver and and why these are policies we will you know we we've got our eye

[2:11:21] Voice 20: on that but we are more cognizant of local needs and uh or trustees can be more cognizant

[2:11:30] Voice 20: of local needs and take the sting out of this is it you know they you know uh we have to follow

[2:11:38] Voice 20: this policy but

[2:11:39] Trustee Elliott: a policy is not a land use bylaw a policy states an objective and a goal here is

[2:11:45] Trustee Elliott: what we want the land use bylaw your ocp is set up how does it work for the community and then

[2:11:52] Trustee Elliott: your land use bylaw is the regulation yeah and

[2:11:55] Trustee Elliott: there is an appeal process so if executive

[2:11:58] Trustee Elliott: committee decided this doesn't meet the policy statement test the local trustees can go to trust

[2:12:05] Trustee Elliott: council and present a case and say we think it does and so that interpretation is equally allowed

[2:12:13] Trustee Elliott: that's why it's an animation of 26 people that argue all the time but

[2:12:17] Voice 20: again it diminishes the

[2:12:18] Voice 20: authority of the local trust and i i think that you know there should be a little bit or potentially

[2:12:26] Voice 20: I'd like you to think about it is that maybe a little bit more of an opening for latitude

[2:12:33] Voice 20: so that the public doesn't feel that this is and I very often

[2:12:41] Voice 19: in these situations you

[2:12:43] Voice 19: know the fallback position is policy says this we gotta follow this well you know maybe

[2:12:50] Voice 19: maybe the

[2:12:51] Voice 20: policy has that ability to you know there's there's her latitude there there generally

[2:12:58] Trustee Patrick: is there's always a there is a reason place to argue you have to you can make an interpretation

[2:13:04] Trustee Patrick: and you can argue it um and make a decision based on that so um i i am positive time here i'm sorry

[2:13:12] Trustee Patrick: i'm sorry i'm trying not to cut everybody off here i know i love gabriela that uh you're here

[2:13:19] Trustee Patrick: you're participating. Our trustees are in the building. Somebody's getting hungry.

[2:13:25] Trustee Patrick: It is quarter to one. We were supposed to have been, this time a lot of today was

[2:13:31] Trustee Patrick: already exceeded. How do you want to go? We do have a delegation coming at 1 30.

[2:13:39] Trustee Patrick: Can we continue this at the next? This

[2:13:42] Trustee Elliott: is your business

[2:13:43] Trustee Patrick: and your input that you're receiving.

[2:13:46] Trustee Patrick: me um yes

[2:13:50] Voice 6: i need to make a comment please do because i'm very sorry that ron brockley has

[2:13:55] Voice 6: left because i wanted to personally thank him for working with 10 other conservancies to provide

[2:14:02] Voice 6: a really good input for this trust policy statement and i too am very sorry that it was

[2:14:09] Voice 6: so watered down and i'm just going to say that right now in public and um i hope that the other

[2:14:17] Voice 6: 10 conservancies who collaborated with GALT will also provide input to their individual

[2:14:24] Voice 6: local trust committees to say that they may also be disappointed that so much of what they

[2:14:31] Voice 6: approved of and recommended and agreed with in a previous draft just disappeared. And it comes down

[2:14:39] Voice 6: to, it's not whether it's impossible. Anything is possible if you have the political will to ask

[2:14:47] Voice 6: and i just want to leave it at that thank

[2:14:51] Trustee Patrick: you all right so trustees what would you like to do

[2:14:55] Trustee Patrick: like since quarter one did you want to make more time on a future agenda for this conversation

[2:15:01] Trustee Patrick: i

[2:15:02] Trustee Elliott: think it's an important conversation i think the community maybe wants to digest things a little

[2:15:07] Trustee Elliott: bit and bring it back and so we do have a january meeting um we can hear more input and then give

[2:15:16] Trustee Elliott: our referral in that meeting i think i think the deadline's february yep so yeah gives us time to

[2:15:23] Trustee Elliott: collect your thoughts ask those questions submit

[2:15:26] Trustee Patrick: comments in writing um uh i think that's as well

[2:15:30] Trustee Patrick: as you know to help help the trustees understand uh you know what what you've identified your your

[2:15:36] Trustee Patrick: thoughts your concerns if you have specific ideas to make something better why do we want to hear it

[2:15:41] Trustee Patrick: Yeah. It

[2:15:42] Trustee Elliott: really helps, I think, if, for instance, you link to community and then put some thoughts together with how your community is developed and then compare it to the proposed policies, you know, and Gabriela and hearing from the different agencies, like sort of the bigger the group or the consensus is, the more I think that has weight. So that would be helpful.

[2:16:04] Voice 21: Is there any possibility of having another sanctioned meeting before January?

[2:16:09] Trustee Patrick: Well, that's something we could certainly talk about and look at as we're planning.

[2:16:13] Voice 21: There's a

[2:16:13] Voice 21: lot of questions that are unanswered that need to be answered.

[2:16:17] Voice 21: I don't

[2:16:17] Voice 21: think that allotting four hours to this entire thing is enough.

[2:16:22] Voice 21: You know, we've been here two hours. Two hours in January, I think we need more time.

[2:16:28] Voice 21: I think we need more meetings, more discussion with the community at large.

[2:16:33] Voice 21: to discuss a very important thing that affects all people on gabriel as landowners and in our

[2:16:39] Voice 21: residents and i don't think this is within getting sufficient time thank

[2:16:44] Trustee Patrick: you i mean it's good to hear

[2:16:46] Trustee Patrick: that's something we'll take into account as we think about our next steps and how we want to

[2:16:50] Trustee Patrick: how do we want to manage it but i i do really appreciate the the feedback and the comments

[2:16:54] Trustee Patrick: we've had so far i appreciate the work that's gone into it and i know this is important uh to you um

[2:17:03] Trustee Patrick: so trustees i'm just looking at my trustees uh do we want to close this section now and um um

[2:17:11] Trustee Patrick: and figure out how we can fit that in so i think i'm going to end comments right now on on this

[2:17:17] Trustee Patrick: document um or this uh this this segment of our agenda today because we need to move on we have

[2:17:24] Trustee Patrick: a lot of material to cover today i understand you have what would like to add but i think

[2:17:28] Trustee Patrick: we want to find out we'll figure out how we can provide more time for you and when and uh we'll

[2:17:34] Trustee Patrick: make sure that's communicated uh out to you if that's okay um so i really appreciate what you've

[2:17:40] Trustee Patrick: heard so far but i think we need to move on yeah there's a bit of a lunch break that we need to

[2:17:46] Trustee Patrick: trustees did you want to take a lunch break now until one we have

[2:17:50] Trustee Patrick: the information it's here all

[2:17:52] Trustee Patrick: or 130 or 130 130 for 130 oh perfect you scared me i read it wrong so did you want to take a short

[2:18:01] Trustee Patrick: break for what

[2:18:40] Voice 27: That's how I taught it.

[2:37:36] Voice 7: All right. Welcome

[2:37:37] Trustee Patrick: back. We've had a public hearing followed by a community information meeting on our policy, proposed policy statement.

[2:37:48] Trustee Patrick: And now we're at item six in our agenda, running way behind time. Thank you. We're going to try to pick up some speed here quickly.

[2:37:56] Trustee Patrick: Trustees, this is our trustee report section. I just ask you to be kind of high level and move through as fast as we can. So you can choose.

[2:38:03] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead, Susan. I'll be free.

[2:38:07] Voice 6: I'm looking at 10 bullets here of stuff we've done over the last little while.

[2:38:13] Voice 6: I will be really quick.

[2:38:15] Voice 6: October 20th, I attended the Gabriela Community Bus Foundation's strategic plan meeting as a guest

[2:38:22] Voice 6: and was very happy to see that their core values and their mandate are still the same.

[2:38:27] Voice 6: Provide public transportation and reduce greenhouse gases.

[2:38:31] Voice 6: Way to go.

[2:38:31] Voice 6: go. I also attended the regional district and the nine parks and open spaces committee meeting,

[2:38:37] Voice 6: gave a little update on our OCP review. And I joined the conversation on the final draft of

[2:38:43] Voice 6: the 10 year parks and rec plan for area B. And some mentioned there of the fairy hill

[2:38:50] Voice 6: transportation. November 12, trustee Elliott and I had an informal open house policy statement.

[2:39:00] Voice 6: Only a few participants, they were very engaged though, but then we moved on to our OCP because

[2:39:05] Voice 6: November 12th, I attended the Financial Planning Committee meeting and I was happy to see that

[2:39:12] Voice 6: our business plan for our Gabriel OCP review was approved.

[2:39:17] Voice 6: November 13th, I ran CAO Barani's report to the Trust Council on the operational review.

[2:39:24] Voice 6: do, it was very timely, it's very detailed, and it's very helpful, and it will mean budget cuts.

[2:39:30] Voice 6: November 16th, I attended the BC Ferries open house for terminal upgrades at the Nanaimo and

[2:39:36] Voice 6: the Descanso Bay terminals, had a conversation with one of the BC Ferries staff about accountability

[2:39:42] Voice 6: to our community for issues other than big projects. November 17th, we had a committee

[2:39:49] Voice 6: Committee of the Whole meeting on the Code of Conduct and guest, Rhys Harding, Ethics

[2:39:53] Voice 6: Commissioner for various government bodies, and Lucy, we were thinking about how better

[2:39:58] Voice 6: to support a new trust council after the next year's election.

[2:40:03] Voice 6: November 17th, Gabriela, Local Trust Committee special meeting, community information meeting

[2:40:09] Voice 6: to review the proposed bylaws 318 and 319 that we dealt with today in a public hearing.

[2:40:14] Voice 6: and there were only two members of the public

[2:40:17] Voice 6: and attendance was very short.

[2:40:19] Voice 6: November 18th,

[2:40:21] Voice 6: on this Trust Conservancy Board meeting,

[2:40:23] Voice 6: always enjoyable to work with my fellow Conservancy members,

[2:40:26] Voice 6: including Trustee Elliott.

[2:40:28] Voice 6: And we agreed to help fund

[2:40:31] Voice 6: something interesting and different.

[2:40:33] Voice 6: We agreed to help fund

[2:40:34] Voice 6: the BC Conservation Foundation Seed Collection Project

[2:40:37] Voice 6: for the Coastal Prairie Oak Meadows,

[2:40:40] Voice 6: a very rare ecosystem

[2:40:41] Voice 6: system that is an essential part of the trust area um november 19th last night the stewardship

[2:40:48] Voice 6: webinar on species at risk in the trust area with erica wheeler uh species at risk coordinator

[2:40:55] Voice 6: and how to become a habitat steward with lou skinner from gulf um she's the leader for the

[2:41:03] Voice 6: nature steward program on gabriela and there were 88 attendees great that's one that i didn't have

[2:41:10] Voice 6: I'm having my little write-up reading Lisa, sorry.

[2:41:15] Voice 6: All right, Trustee Elia.

[2:41:18] Trustee Elliott: Thanks for that.

[2:41:19] Trustee Elliott: I also got to participate in the first

[2:41:22] Trustee Elliott: of four professional development workshops

[2:41:25] Trustee Elliott: focused on addressing Indigenous-specific racism

[2:41:31] Trustee Elliott: that's been offered to some trustees and staff.

[2:41:36] Trustee Elliott: As we are, particularly the chairs,

[2:41:38] Trustee Elliott: it's sort of handling some of the comments that are coming through public meetings so it's been

[2:41:43] Trustee Elliott: really valuable so far executive committee I won't go into a big update but just to echo what

[2:41:50] Trustee Elliott: trustee Yates said the PAO's 2025 operational review report is well worth reading a substantial

[2:41:59] Trustee Elliott: list of recommendations that really could guide trust council of course they has to be debated

[2:42:07] Trustee Elliott: and um whether those recommendations are adopted or not is going to be up to council but council

[2:42:13] Trustee Elliott: is going to be summer two to four in victoria bc in person um another highlight there will be

[2:42:21] Trustee Elliott: a session on the short-term rental accommodations act um kind of rabinovich the director of the

[2:42:28] Trustee Elliott: housing policy branch of the bc government will be there in person and the local trust committees

[2:42:32] Trustee Elliott: that have opted in to the Short-Term Vacation Rental Act.

[2:42:38] Trustee Elliott: We're sort of being asked for our feedback on the experiences.

[2:42:43] Trustee Elliott: And there will be...

[2:42:44] Trustee Elliott: I'll move that to you, Chair.

[2:42:48] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, the Standards of Conduct legislation is coming, potentially.

[2:42:53] Trustee Elliott: It's going to be one to watch.

[2:42:54] Trustee Elliott: We're not sure if the Island's Trust is going to be included

[2:42:57] Trustee Elliott: and so have given direction to Executive Committee

[2:43:01] Trustee Elliott: need to um stay on top of it and see if the province will include us in the regulation

[2:43:08] Trustee Elliott: for the code of mandatory code of conduct um actually we have a pretty good one there is a

[2:43:15] Trustee Elliott: draft that could be worked on if we're not coming in but let's go through the changes

[2:43:20] Trustee Elliott: i mean i attended the community organizations workshop or event or fair or something it was one

[2:43:31] Trustee Elliott: wonderful at the community hall a couple of weekends ago organized by our Chamber of Commerce

[2:43:38] Trustee Elliott: and Udo, Monty and just it was wonderful to connect with all the non-profit organizations

[2:43:45] Trustee Elliott: and hear what everybody's doing too so yeah but I'll leave

[2:43:51] Trustee Patrick: the rest all right I'll keep my report

[2:43:55] Trustee Patrick: short I want to focus on the next Trust Council meeting is December 2nd in Victoria

[2:44:01] Trustee Patrick: Victoria. The public comment period is on the Tuesday afternoon. So there is a web version

[2:44:12] Trustee Patrick: of that. You don't have to go to Victoria to participate. This is the first time that

[2:44:18] Trustee Patrick: Trust Council will have. It's the first draft of the budget before it. This is draft one.

[2:44:24] Trustee Patrick: on. It doesn't get finalized until March. The operational review our CAO has provided,

[2:44:35] Trustee Patrick: there are additions and subtractions to the budget as a result of his, and it'll be up

[2:44:41] Trustee Patrick: to Trust Council to see how they implement or choose to implement the recommendations

[2:44:46] Trustee Patrick: that have been made. But like I said, this is first cut of the budget. It always contains

[2:44:53] Trustee Patrick: all the dreams and

[2:44:55] Trustee Patrick: reality generally sets in

[2:44:57] Trustee Patrick: at this first

[2:44:59] Trustee Patrick: trust council.

[2:45:02] Trustee Patrick: So I will leave it

[2:45:03] Trustee Patrick: at that, I think.

[2:45:06] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[2:45:08] Trustee Patrick: Electoral area director's report.

[2:45:10] Trustee Patrick: I think she said that in due.

[2:45:13] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[2:45:14] Trustee Patrick: She did.

[2:45:15] Trustee Patrick: She was tuning in online.

[2:45:17] Trustee Patrick: Is Vanessa there?

[2:45:20] Trustee Patrick: No, she's not.

[2:45:21] Trustee Patrick: Okay, she won't be.

[2:45:24] Trustee Patrick: did one of you want to read her report or i don't think it's just with me it's a it's a fairly big

[2:45:31] Trustee Patrick: one yeah she probably brings up the um dcc yep she does so i'm going to uh i don't have to get

[2:45:40] Trustee Patrick: into the dcc so this is vanessa craig's report that's a big chunk of what she has there she has

[2:45:44] Trustee Patrick: the parks and recreation master plan of area b was approved by the board on october 14th and that's

[2:45:50] Trustee Patrick: It's available on the website, Hamilton Marsh purchase

[2:45:53] Trustee Patrick: that the RDN is continuing to work on

[2:45:56] Trustee Patrick: conditional purchase of this 360 hectares of Hamilton Marsh.

[2:46:02] Trustee Patrick: And it's, there's information there on the website

[2:46:07] Trustee Patrick: and then they're 2016, 2026,

[2:46:10] Trustee Patrick: boy did I go back in time, 2026 budget.

[2:46:13] Trustee Patrick: RDN is in budget discussions there again,

[2:46:16] Trustee Patrick: all on the website.

[2:46:17] Trustee Patrick: site so she said next meetings uh the rdn board is on october october 25th that must be right oh

[2:46:25] Trustee Patrick: on december 9th at 1 p.m next regional hospital board december 9th 11 a.m beginning and next

[2:46:32] Trustee Patrick: electoral area services committee is on december 4th 10 a.m and all board easc and committee um

[2:46:40] Trustee Patrick: area service committee that is um electoral areas committee um and committee of the whole

[2:46:47] Trustee Patrick: meetings can be viewed in person or online on their website so thank you vanessa did you want

[2:46:56] Trustee Patrick: to talk about the conservancy or you didn't no

[2:46:58] Voice 6: uh i think we did um trustee elliot and i both

[2:47:02] Voice 6: attended i was just conservancy meeting a couple of days ago board meeting always enjoyable to

[2:47:07] Voice 6: work with that board uh that was when i mentioned the seed collection project

[2:47:11] Voice 8: okay

[2:47:13] Trustee Patrick: so with that uh

[2:47:16] Trustee Patrick: We are at the public comment period, and I spoke earlier today, I think most of you were in the room,

[2:47:23] Trustee Patrick: that we are, I know that you will speak respectfully, focus on facts, not fear.

[2:47:29] Trustee Patrick: We'll acknowledge real feelings without attacking others.

[2:47:32] Trustee Patrick: We will create cultural safety, and we will keep this conversation constructive.

[2:47:40] Trustee Patrick: So always speak to us, the local trustees, nonstop, if you could direct your questions.

[2:47:46] Trustee Patrick: questions, and who would like to address us today?

[2:47:54] Voice 21: Is this regarding all of us?

[2:47:56] Trustee Patrick: This is public comment, so this is general comment about the business.

[2:48:00] Trustee Patrick: Aspects of the agenda.

[2:48:01] Trustee Patrick: If there are...

[2:48:02] Trustee Patrick: The major project.

[2:48:03] Trustee Patrick: Correct.

[2:48:03] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[2:48:04] Trustee Patrick: So if there's anything on the agenda that you've got questions or comments about or

[2:48:08] Trustee Patrick: concerns, this is the time that you would raise it.

[2:48:11] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[2:48:11] Trustee Patrick: If you're an applicant, you will have an opportunity later in the agenda.

[2:48:15] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[2:48:15] Voice 21: I just have questions about the 200-meter buffer zone that is part of the major OCP region.

[2:48:24] Voice 21: I'm wondering how that came about, and I'm wondering who picked the numbers, the 200 meters, and why,

[2:48:32] Voice 21: and whether this is a downzoning of that area in terms of what we can and cannot do on land.

[2:48:44] Voice 12: Who would

[2:48:46] Trustee Patrick: like to make a stand with that?

[2:48:47] Trustee Patrick: Do you want to try to talk about that?

[2:48:52] Voice 25: Yeah, I can give someone's response.

[2:48:56] Voice 25: So it doesn't relate to zoning directly.

[2:49:00] Voice 25: This is part of the additional community plan project.

[2:49:03] Voice 25: So it is really something that would be defined in policies

[2:49:15] Voice 25: that will be drafted and that would have been directed to draft OCP policies and what that is.

[2:49:25] Voice 25: And so to this point, that's in response really to sensitive ecosystems in that area, archaeological interests and sea level rise and hazard zones.

[2:49:39] Voice 25: And so that has been introduced as an idea of where it could look at alternative policies to examine whether or not additional development would be suitable.

[2:49:52] Trustee Patrick: I see, Planner Chadwick, I saw you were online. Did you have anything you wanted to add?

[2:50:00] Voice 13: Yeah, I guess one thing I could add is, you know, 200 meters is something that's come

[2:50:08] Voice 13: up in conversations with nations along the coast as well, that have been looking at the

[2:50:13] Voice 13: same kind of variables that planning staff have.

[2:50:16] Voice 13: So it's a, it's sort of a, an aligned perspective.

[2:50:23] Voice 11: Okay.

[2:50:25] Voice 11: Did you have a follow up?

[2:50:26] Voice 21: Yeah, I mean, I feel 200 metres is 665 feet of frontage on some properties,

[2:50:32] Voice 21: so it encompasses the entire property.

[2:50:34] Voice 21: And I know that I've had discussions and it's come to light

[2:50:37] Voice 21: that perhaps grandfathers areas would occur.

[2:50:42] Voice 21: To give an example, if you have to replace your septic system on your property

[2:50:48] Voice 21: and it falls under this 200 metre buffer zone,

[2:50:50] Voice 21: are you going to be able to replace the septic system in the same place

[2:50:55] Voice 21: that it currently exists.

[2:50:57] Trustee Patrick: I can speak

[2:50:59] Trustee Patrick: right. So I think

[2:51:01] Trustee Patrick: the tools that are being considered either a cultural

[2:51:03] Trustee Patrick: heritage protection area or a development permit area

[2:51:05] Trustee Patrick: cannot

[2:51:07] Trustee Patrick: interfere with the rights of

[2:51:09] Trustee Patrick: the property.

[2:51:11] Trustee Patrick: If that tool is chosen to

[2:51:14] Trustee Patrick: be developed as part of this process, which

[2:51:15] Trustee Patrick: I think those are conversations that haven't

[2:51:17] Trustee Patrick: been made yet,

[2:51:19] Trustee Patrick: when it gets developed, like any development

[2:51:22] Trustee Patrick: permit area, there are

[2:51:23] Trustee Patrick: are exemptions. So, you know, I think that would be an example of something you would be saying,

[2:51:29] Trustee Patrick: and I'd like to have an exemption for those types of activities. Go ahead.

[2:51:35] Voice 25: And just as it relates to the development permit areas, really, development permit areas are in

[2:51:40] Voice 25: place to guide development. And so, yeah, there may be exemptions, but also it can just speak to

[2:51:45] Voice 25: the way in which development occurs.

[2:51:48] Voice 21: So this would be a regulation? I mean,

[2:51:51] Voice 21: this would be a dpa if

[2:51:52] Trustee Patrick: if if they have no there's been no decisions it's been no

[2:51:57] Voice 21: i understand that

[2:51:58] Voice 21: but i'm saying it could be in the

[2:51:59] Trustee Patrick: future it could it could be i think is the word what i'd look at

[2:52:03] Trustee Patrick: it could be uh nurse uh planner chadwick yeah

[2:52:08] Voice 13: i was thinking i mean one of the better ways to

[2:52:10] Voice 13: look at it uh you know another perspective that um um that that we you can be sort of sort of

[2:52:17] Voice 13: seeing this let this perspective is that it if uh through the ocp process land use bylaw

[2:52:25] Voice 13: update process trustees are looking at increasing density um you know allowing additional uh

[2:52:33] Voice 13: secondary suites or what have you then this would be an area that would be like more scrutinized in

[2:52:39] Voice 13: terms of of whether they'd be permitted in that particular area so it's not at this point it's

[2:52:44] Voice 13: It's not about taking anything away, but it's perhaps looking at not adding anything more.

[2:52:49] Voice 13: So that's another way to look at it.

[2:52:53] Voice 21: So potentially, if you have a 28-acre property on the waterfront and it falls into the 600-metre or 600-foot buffer zone,

[2:53:03] Voice 21: you may be discounted from severing your property or doing extra work if you're in that particular buffer, correct?

[2:53:13] Voice 21: No,

[2:53:13] Voice 13: that's not, that's not, sorry if I wasn't clear. It's about allowing any additional development potential.

[2:53:25] Voice 13: But

[2:53:25] Voice 21: if you have raw land, you have raw land, you've got 20 acres, currently you're allowed to separate that into two parcels, correct, or four parcels, five acre parcels, and part of the land would be in the 200 meter butler zone.

[2:53:40] Voice 21: So that's 600 feet of frontage that would be excluded from development, am I correct?

[2:53:48] Voice 13: That is up to the local trust committee.

[2:53:52] Voice 13: It's up to the local trust committee how they use the perspective.

[2:53:55] Voice 13: perspective.

[2:53:57] Voice 21: So there's three hands that will go up for that decision?

[2:54:00] Trustee Patrick: Right now, there's no tool

[2:54:02] Trustee Patrick: that has been designed.

[2:54:03] Voice 21: We've been presented with maps and things.

[2:54:07] Trustee Patrick: No, I understand that. But I

[2:54:09] Trustee Patrick: think right now it would be good to present that as a concern, that as this body looks at, if it

[2:54:15] Trustee Patrick: decides to move forward with developing that tool, if you could raise this as here's a concern of

[2:54:21] Trustee Patrick: buying then we can consider that is that something is that the intent because then that can be dealt

[2:54:26] Trustee Patrick: with as it's being designed uh go ahead i

[2:54:29] Trustee Elliott: think one aspect that's important to point out is um we

[2:54:33] Trustee Elliott: can't utilize information that we have until we turn it into a regulatory tool so for instance

[2:54:40] Trustee Elliott: the regional district of nanaimo has done flood level mapping for all of the coastlines including

[2:54:48] Trustee Elliott: including Area B, Gabriola, Mudge, DeCourcy, the Flat Top Islands.

[2:54:53] Voice 10: So

[2:54:53] Trustee Elliott: there's very comprehensive maps that describe how far in the future,

[2:54:59] Trustee Elliott: 50 to 100 years, the province is telling us we need to look out

[2:55:03] Trustee Elliott: into how far the flood runners will rise.

[2:55:07] Trustee Elliott: The development permit areas for a flood level rise have not been created

[2:55:12] Trustee Elliott: for Gabriola, Mudge, and DeCourcy because we have the land use planning function

[2:55:17] Trustee Elliott: at Islands Trust so where we have the science it isn't useful unless it's turned into a regulation

[2:55:24] Trustee Elliott: and that is three steps down from the process that we're talking about today we're talking

[2:55:30] Trustee Elliott: about here's an idea how do we protect development how do we direct development not to areas where

[2:55:37] Trustee Elliott: there's going to be known hazards or sea level rise and so it's not that the buffer would apply

[2:55:43] Trustee Elliott: apply in all areas equally, but where there's those low-lying areas that are going to be

[2:55:49] Trustee Elliott: subject to flood level rise, you probably want to put a DPA in there to say you can't

[2:55:55] Trustee Elliott: build a house, you know, within 30 meters of this area. So it's those tools, but it's

[2:56:01] Trustee Elliott: not going to apply the same way in the entire shoreline.

[2:56:05] Voice 21: So why is there a 200-meter buffer then if you're going to say you're going to ground

[2:56:10] Voice 21: ground truth for different laws for different aspects

[2:56:13] Voice 21: of the law so

[2:56:14] Trustee Elliott: why is it it's just

[2:56:15] Trustee Elliott: you're labeling something

[2:56:16] Trustee Elliott: no we're saying this whole area is sensitive and subject to many

[2:56:21] Trustee Elliott: different conditions some of which are climate related some of which are sea level rise there's

[2:56:26] Trustee Elliott: archaeological potential it's an area that we need to take careful consideration as we develop

[2:56:32] Trustee Elliott: policies and then regulations they're not going to be the same in the whole area but will the

[2:56:37] Voice 21: trust be ground truthing the whole there

[2:56:41] Trustee Patrick: i think i

[2:56:41] Voice 21: think right

[2:56:43] Trustee Patrick: now they're the the this this map

[2:56:46] Trustee Patrick: is just an air it's just a map showing 200 meters the tools in which anything's going to be implied

[2:56:52] Trustee Patrick: and haven't even been thought about and what that thought about but to have it screw past to decide

[2:56:58] Trustee Patrick: whether it wants to pursue anything what that would look like what those options are and there's

[2:57:03] Trustee Patrick: going to be a lot of communication with you. I

[2:57:07] Voice 21: follow you but I mean the thing is when you publish a map

[2:57:11] Voice 21: people get upset as I am. I'm affected by this map, you know, and I look at it and I think wow

[2:57:18] Voice 21: this is, you know, is this going to be a constructive taking in the future

[2:57:23] Voice 21: by the auto-instruction and we can't do anything anymore on our land. I mean this is,

[2:57:28] Voice 21: was, you know, I think, I think the mapping has basically

[2:57:33] Voice 21: inflamed the whole situation.

[2:57:35] Trustee Patrick: I agree. But also, it brings to the attention, you know, the

[2:57:39] Trustee Patrick: idea was to say, well, there's an opportunity here that could

[2:57:42] Trustee Patrick: have other tools applied. It's a way where at least we're doing

[2:57:45] Trustee Patrick: it fully transparently. And

[2:57:48] Voice 21: that's important, too.

[2:57:50] Voice 21: Somewhat. I mean, there's no minutes of meetings or whether

[2:57:52] Voice 21: it's generally the buffer zones discussed. Are they meeting? I

[2:57:55] Voice 21: I mean, is there information available to the general public

[2:57:58] Voice 21: where we can compare it?

[2:57:59] Voice 21: This is

[2:58:00] Trustee Elliott: what we're telling you right now.

[2:58:01] Voice 21: It hasn't been

[2:58:02] Voice 21: discussed.

[2:58:04] Voice 21: No, I mean, the previous meetings to discuss the mapping

[2:58:06] Voice 21: obviously must have been discussed.

[2:58:08] Trustee Elliott: This comes from planner expertise.

[2:58:11] Trustee Elliott: This is the advice they're giving us,

[2:58:13] Trustee Elliott: is we need to consider carefully how we develop

[2:58:15] Trustee Elliott: along the shoreline.

[2:58:16] Trustee Elliott: Within 200 meters, there's going to be impacts

[2:58:19] Trustee Elliott: now and into the future.

[2:58:20] Trustee Elliott: So how do we consider those impacts?

[2:58:22] Trustee Elliott: This is early engagement.

[2:58:23] Voice 21: background truthing every single property will not know you

[2:58:27] Trustee Elliott: are you are getting notified right

[2:58:29] Trustee Elliott: now with this early engagement so that we can have this conversation about how it will impact

[2:58:33] Trustee Elliott: property owners so we can develop those tools this

[2:58:37] Trustee Patrick: body hasn't had a conversation yet i think

[2:58:39] Trustee Patrick: today is going to be one of our first times

[2:58:41] Trustee Elliott: it shows up

[2:58:41] Trustee Patrick: on a report where do they do they want

[2:58:44] Trustee Patrick: to pursue it are they going to ask staff for more information there's a lot of ways that this group

[2:58:48] Trustee Patrick: will look at this question we have we haven't had the conversation okay so you're expressing

[2:58:53] Trustee Patrick: your concerns. We're hearing you. We appreciate it. So thank you.

[2:58:57] Voice 6: We've certainly had a few

[2:58:58] Voice 6: conversations on this.

[2:59:00] Trustee Patrick: I bet you have, yes. They're probably going in drafts. I wish that

[2:59:03] Trustee Patrick: wasn't done this way. Anyway, go ahead.

[2:59:06] Voice 24: Someone has done a lot of passive mapping over 50 years

[2:59:10] Voice 24: ago. Why wouldn't you make individual maps for these various threats? So there's saltwater

[2:59:20] Voice 24: Flooding, which is probably very little with global warming within the time period you're

[2:59:26] Voice 24: talking about right now.

[2:59:28] Voice 24: Slope stability, whatever else there is.

[2:59:32] Voice 24: Individual maps, a lot easier for people to understand, and they don't see this generic

[2:59:38] Voice 24: 200 meter buffer, which is totally non-transparent at this time.

[2:59:45] Voice 8: Individual

[2:59:46] Voice 24: hazard zones are a much simpler thing for people to understand, and I recommend that's the way to go.

[2:59:55] Voice 34: Thank you.

[3:00:05] Voice 20: My question is, I went in my neighborhood yesterday and talked to five people who were

[3:00:13] Voice 20: just walking on the road, and we're in the Falls Narrows area. Only one recalls seeing

[3:00:22] Voice 20: the published article in the paper with the map that we're talking about. The other four

[3:00:27] Voice 20: didn't have anything about a buffer one of them is listing his property for sale today

[3:00:35] Voice 20: and now realizes his property is maybe in a proposed buffer whether he has to disclose

[3:00:41] Voice 20: that to buyers or not um my concern is that in september there was a meeting at the haven

[3:00:52] Voice 20: about the reimagining growth on Gabriela concept and in that material there was a

[3:01:01] Voice 20: map that showed a colored map and it showed the 200 meter buffer and it

[3:01:12] Voice 20: showed if I bring the map right it looks like almost seven eight hundred acres

[3:01:17] Voice 20: that is also shaded and it's all designated additional cultural heritage

[3:01:24] Voice 20: protection. Someone at that meeting informed me about this and I got a copy. And then a few weeks

[3:01:34] Voice 20: later in the Sounder, an article was printed that's called, I think, Waterfront Buffer.

[3:01:44] Voice 20: I think Waterfront Buffer, I think it was called. The big headline, Waterfront Buffer,

[3:01:48] Voice 20: a gray map that only showed the 200 meter buffer. It didn't show the other area that

[3:01:55] Voice 20: is on the original map. It also showed, to my dismay, properties that have subdivision

[3:02:04] Voice 20: potential marked in white, and our property is not marked in white. So I looked at that

[3:02:17] Voice 20: in conjunction with the policy statement and the other issues here and compared it to my

[3:02:24] Voice 20: experience um so number one i don't think the public is aware really of the the first map or

[3:02:35] Voice 20: the second man so i think we need to have a lot of community engagement about what what this is all

[3:02:43] Voice 20: about and i think this colored map that's in the reimagining growth should get published on the

[3:02:48] Voice 20: front page of the founder showing us an additional cultural heritage buffer because of the big

[3:02:55] Voice 20: difference if we're calling it the cultural heritage buffer to me that's an acknowledgement

[3:03:03] Voice 20: and i also i i think that buffer of the 700 acres is virtually the same as what the first nations

[3:03:10] Voice 20: have described as their fault narrow village site they indicated to me that their village site ran

[3:03:16] Voice 20: from false narrows to degnan bay from the waterfront to the height of the island that's

[3:03:21] Voice 20: virtually the same as this map so i have questions about where the information came from why the

[3:03:28] Voice 20: kind of synced with the First Nations-elect's bill, let's say, and then I go to the next step,

[3:03:35] Voice 20: which is if the conversation is about creating a DP zone or an HCA zone over that 200-meter buffer

[3:03:45] Voice 20: and about 1,000 acres, then my experience is that what that means is anyone who wants to do

[3:03:53] Voice 20: something in that area needs to apply for a dp the trust then considers the dp and it'll depend

[3:04:01] Voice 20: what the criteria are for that dp and my experience is the trust has now decided that

[3:04:09] Voice 20: they can either accept or reject professional reports they're not bound by a by a

[3:04:15] Voice 20: a, what do you call it, professional, you mentioned the term, reliance, professional

[3:04:24] Voice 20: reliance model.

[3:04:26] Voice 20: So they're now inserting subjective determination on whether the criteria are met.

[3:04:31] Voice 20: And then, to me, it gets worse because they then say, under the objects of the trust,

[3:04:39] Voice 20: they now interpret the objects as including protecting First Nation sites.

[3:04:43] Voice 20: and they add on another layer saying now you have to get consent from the First Nation or we won't

[3:04:50] Voice 20: approve the DP and there's no mechanism or procedure at the trust level for consultation

[3:04:57] Voice 20: so now we have two levels of government dealing with consultation on a matter of getting a simple

[3:05:04] Voice 20: DP on a buffer area that so far covers 700 acres and we don't know what conversations have been

[3:05:14] Voice 20: had between the trust and the first nation with respect to their interests on gabriela

[3:05:19] Voice 20: uh we know that their land claim is for all of gabriela um okay

[3:05:25] Trustee Elliott: so i don't think he can

[3:05:27] Trustee Elliott: state that i

[3:05:27] Voice 20: can say that i have a letter that can prove it if you want me i can get it to you

[3:05:31] Trustee Elliott: and

[3:05:31] Voice 20: they're looking and you know their language if

[3:05:33] Trustee Elliott: you don't speak for a first nation you're here

[3:05:36] Trustee Elliott: to represent you

[3:05:37] Voice 20: know i'm going to sing for me thank you i

[3:05:39] Voice 20: don't like it when you chastise me

[3:05:41] Voice 20: suggesting I'm speaking. I've never spoken perpetually in my life and I wouldn't.

[3:05:46] Voice 20: Let's just get that clear. These are my statements for me and I can tell you I have the documentation

[3:05:53] Voice 20: from the First Nation telling me they claim all of Gabriela and it should have been a reserve

[3:05:59] Voice 20: and that's what they want, right? So I'm just saying my experience is we're dealing with a

[3:06:08] Voice 20: a situation where we're talking about a buffer

[3:06:13] Voice 20: that the public thinks is a 200-meter waterfront buffer,

[3:06:16] Voice 20: when in fact it's a 200-meter waterfront

[3:06:18] Voice 20: and a 1,000-meter cultural heritage addition.

[3:06:22] Voice 20: I don't know what the projections are now

[3:06:25] Voice 20: that we're calling this additional,

[3:06:26] Voice 20: but this is additional protection.

[3:06:28] Voice 20: We don't know what the restrictions are about.

[3:06:30] Voice 20: We don't know where it came from.

[3:06:31] Voice 20: We don't know what conversations you had with the First Nation

[3:06:34] Voice 20: about what their interests are on Gabriela.

[3:06:37] Voice 20: And I think, as I mentioned earlier, this Cowichan case,

[3:06:42] Voice 20: I

[3:06:43] Trustee Patrick: was going to say, the planner has their hand up,

[3:06:45] Trustee Patrick: so maybe we can answer some of your questions, Planner Chadwick.

[3:06:51] Voice 13: Yeah, I just wanted to speak to maps and data.

[3:06:56] Voice 13: So just to address, and I can address both of the last comments.

[3:07:02] Voice 13: So in terms of maps, we do have maps.

[3:07:05] Voice 13: we we did present what we're what we're calling our suitable land analysis which

[3:07:12] Voice 13: is a compilation of all of the data that we have which includes saltwater

[3:07:17] Voice 13: intrusion and and on the water side we we have the the water footprint project

[3:07:23] Voice 13: which has produced a number of other maps that will be able to be shared by

[3:07:30] Voice 13: by the end of the fiscal and so we have maps related to sensitive ecosystems and others

[3:07:36] Voice 13: and in the process of developing the OCP and as part of the LUB review as well, these maps

[3:07:43] Voice 13: will be very important in terms of informing planner recommendations and they will be transparent

[3:07:54] Voice 13: and open and in fact we're trying to work at the Islands Trust, we're trying to develop

[3:08:00] Voice 13: of a system where um these maps can be easily available but it's a quite a technical exercise

[3:08:05] Voice 13: which is why um um it takes a little bit of time to get there but we will have those and we'll be

[3:08:11] Voice 13: able to share them um at at some point and definitely if decisions are being made related

[3:08:16] Voice 13: to specific points of data um we'll be sharing that um on the um uh the arc site uh um side of

[3:08:25] Voice 13: things the the ltc uh did support um some funding going towards the uh uh archaeological overview

[3:08:36] Voice 13: assessment the the um uh before any clear decisions can be made around uh exact locations

[3:08:47] Voice 13: for protection and you know um we are exploring um across the trust the use of development permit

[3:08:55] Voice 13: areas and heritage conservation areas for cultural heritage protection um but before those can be

[3:09:03] Voice 13: implemented a clear understanding of the location of these cultural heritage sites is um is uh is

[3:09:11] Voice 13: is important and so this is why this is part of the work that's that's going to be moving forward

[3:09:18] Voice 13: in the next year if we get the

[3:09:22] Voice 13: trust council support.

[3:09:27] Voice 20: I think I just had three questions or four statements.

[3:09:33] Voice 20: I'm troubled by why

[3:09:36] Voice 20: this colored map that was presented at a public meeting wasn't published

[3:09:40] Voice 20: in the sounder as against a gray map that didn't show this additional

[3:09:44] Voice 20: cultural buffer area and didn't

[3:09:48] Voice 20: title it additional cultural protection area.

[3:09:53] Voice 20: I think it's deceiving the public and I think the public isn't aware of this map.

[3:09:59] Voice 20: Can

[3:10:00] Trustee Elliott: we answer one question at a time and perhaps we can ask ourselves some studies.

[3:10:06] Trustee Elliott: There was reference in the draft policy statement as to who has the ownership and control

[3:10:14] Trustee Elliott: of certain confidential information and when a nation owns information about its own cultural

[3:10:20] Trustee Elliott: heritage that can only be shared by the First Nation or if it is deemed that

[3:10:29] Trustee Elliott: they can share that with the public and so there might be reasons why we cannot

[3:10:34] Trustee Elliott: share information that's not ours at this time.

[3:10:37] Voice 20: But you already did at the public

[3:10:38] Voice 20: meeting.

[3:10:40] Trustee Elliott: I don't think

[3:10:41] Voice 20: there... And you chose to publish a map that didn't

[3:10:45] Voice 20: disclose this map i'm

[3:10:49] Trustee Elliott: not sure what you're referring to all

[3:10:51] Voice 20: right you you you published

[3:10:53] Voice 20: the map in the sounder there was a black gray

[3:10:57] Trustee Elliott: buffer yes

[3:10:58] Voice 20: all that goes with this buffer into

[3:11:00] Voice 20: all of it i think a waterfront protection area and when you did that you already had presented

[3:11:06] Voice 20: this map to the public it is substantially different i'm

[3:11:10] Voice 6: not sure what you're looking at

[3:11:11] Voice 6: I think I know what you're referring to. There was a darker purple color all along Brickyard and El Grano of that same shoreline buffer, but the darker purple one said that was the additional archaeological heritage concert area.

[3:11:28] Voice 6: We're

[3:11:28] Voice 21: talking about this one, right?

[3:11:29] Voice 20: Yeah.

[3:11:30] Voice 6: And it wasn't clear at all in that black and white photograph that it was sort of a different part of that shoreline buffer?

[3:11:38] Voice 6: it

[3:11:38] Voice 20: wasn't clear it wasn't shown at all there's

[3:11:42] Trustee Elliott: a reason and we've just described that's not our

[3:11:44] Trustee Elliott: information to ship so maybe our child could speak to um how planners are required to consider

[3:11:53] Trustee Elliott: information that is sensitive about a nation's cultural heritage

[3:11:57] Voice 20: i don't care about that what

[3:11:59] Voice 20: i care about is the public getting aware that this is not a waterfront 200 meter buffer it's

[3:12:05] Voice 20: being discussed it's a 200 meter buffer and a thousand acres of land that is the title on it

[3:12:12] Voice 20: says additional cultural heritage i don't care

[3:12:15] Trustee Elliott: what

[3:12:16] Voice 20: the conversations are

[3:12:17] Trustee Elliott: you're conflating three

[3:12:19] Trustee Elliott: different aspects that are not actually related and and i don't appreciate that there is

[3:12:24] Trustee Elliott: misinformation that we are not having a chance to correct you

[3:12:27] Voice 20: don't appreciate that no i don't

[3:12:29] Voice 20: We're not

[3:12:30] Voice 20: discussing,

[3:12:31] Trustee Patrick: I understand maps, and I think Planner Chadwick explained there's a lot of maps that are being introduced for what land suitability is, you know, as far as how they have staff have made recommendations on how they're going to implement it.

[3:12:46] Trustee Patrick: So this body hasn't even received any recommendations.

[3:12:49] Trustee Patrick: So it's not disclosing something that doesn't exist.

[3:12:52] Trustee Patrick: A map that has been shown, but the decisions on how that information is going to be used

[3:12:58] Trustee Patrick: or if any tools are going to be created haven't been decided or directed to staff.

[3:13:02] Trustee Patrick: Or staff haven't even made recommendations yet.

[3:13:04] Trustee Patrick: I think

[3:13:05] Voice 20: we're talking over each other.

[3:13:09] Voice 20: My concern is the public needs to be fully aware of what potential issues might affect their private land.

[3:13:21] Voice 34: And when

[3:13:23] Voice 34: a

[3:13:24] Voice 20: map gets published in the paper that is called a waterfront 200-meter buffer,

[3:13:30] Voice 20: when in fact there was a map publicly released weeks before that is very extensive

[3:13:36] Voice 20: and is entitled Additional Cultural Heritage Protection,

[3:13:40] Voice 20: includes the 200 meter buffer and 1,000 acres and it shows my property is not

[3:13:46] Voice 20: subdividable. I think the public really needs to know this so we can have a

[3:13:51] Voice 20: fulsome conversation about where did this line come from? Why is that not

[3:13:57] Voice 20: subdividable? Why is it called additional cultural heritage protection? The public

[3:14:03] Voice 20: has no idea what we're talking about here. I

[3:14:06] Trustee Elliott: think the time for that

[3:14:07] Trustee Elliott: conversation is when policies are drafted and we can hear public comments.

[3:14:11] Trustee Elliott: Right now, we're talking about abstracts and areas that are not clearly defined with different values.

[3:14:18] Trustee Elliott: And what I'm objecting to is you're conflating a lot of different values, such as ecological protection, cultural heritage, and 1,000 acres that is not ours to decide, that is for return to First Nation.

[3:14:30] Trustee Elliott: Those are three separate areas.

[3:14:33] Trustee Elliott: Can

[3:14:33] Voice 11: you explain the last thing you said?

[3:14:34] Voice 11: So

[3:14:35] Trustee Elliott: those are three separate areas.

[3:14:36] Trustee Elliott: When the LTC gets to consider policies,

[3:14:39] Trustee Elliott: the community can give your input about all these things.

[3:14:43] Trustee Elliott: Then we're talking about something of substance.

[3:14:45] Trustee Elliott: We're going to

[3:14:45] Voice 20: say about First Nations, the land back.

[3:14:52] Trustee Elliott: As we know,

[3:14:54] Trustee Elliott: it's the name of First Nation is engaging their own community and

[3:14:58] Trustee Elliott: community plan about the return of lands that are currently held by the

[3:15:04] Trustee Elliott: crowned as part of the reconciliation with the nation that is not ours to decide at all.

[3:15:11] Voice 20: Trustee, what does that got to do with what I'm saying? What's it got to do with the sound

[3:15:16] Voice 20: makers here that weren't additional cultural heritage protection?

[3:15:20] Trustee Patrick: We're going to move on because we have a lot of meeting here. We're hearing you that we need to

[3:15:27] Trustee Patrick: make sure that there's transparent and open public information when we are just deciding

[3:15:33] Trustee Patrick: land use tools that is the

[3:15:36] Trustee Patrick: intent you're we just we don't have anything we're we're deciding yet

[3:15:41] Trustee Patrick: we're still very early phases we're taking information i understand that we can't give

[3:15:48] Voice 20: you something that we don't have you say you want input and we give it and you say it's not time to

[3:15:52] Voice 20: give input i just want to make one last thing and then i'll be gone this is to me the overriding

[3:15:58] Voice 20: issue of all of this i don't like what i see there i don't like the lack of transparency i don't like

[3:16:03] Voice 20: not knowing what input the First Nations had in creating these buffers.

[3:16:07] Voice 20: I'm not comfortable not knowing what it means or considering it.

[3:16:14] Voice 20: As I said earlier, the residents of Richmond woke up to find out

[3:16:18] Voice 20: that they may not own their land.

[3:16:21] Voice 20: The First Nations title may be constitutionally protected

[3:16:25] Voice 20: and private property rights may not be constitutionally protected.

[3:16:29] Voice 20: A very serious issue that affects every property owner in Canada.

[3:16:33] Voice 20: A Richmond councillor yesterday wrote an article in the paper and I'm going to read the words.

[3:16:42] Voice 20: She is putting a motion forward for the city to write to the Prime Minister, the Premier

[3:16:47] Voice 20: of BC and other provincial cabinet ministers to mitigate the effects of the Cowichan land

[3:16:52] Voice 20: ruling on private landowners during the appeal process.

[3:16:56] Voice 20: I'll just go over here.

[3:16:57] Voice 20: She says the provincial and federal governments have the ultimate responsibility for Indigenous

[3:17:01] Voice 20: relations and settling any land claims issues. This ruling is causing uncertainty for landowners,

[3:17:09] Voice 20: which could cause trouble with banks, renewing mortgages, getting insurance,

[3:17:13] Voice 20: and could cause land values to fall. She's asking the government to set up a fund,

[3:17:17] Voice 20: a land trust that would compensate owners. This is a pretty serious issue. So while the

[3:17:25] Voice 20: province and the crown are and the the the devastating part of this is the richland

[3:17:34] Voice 20: landowner has no notice of this no transparency no notice of the case

[3:17:38] Trustee Patrick: yes okay i'm going to stop

[3:17:43] Trustee Patrick: regional manager jaren did you want to speak thank

[3:17:47] Trustee Elliott: you through the chair um i'm just recognizing that

[3:17:50] Trustee Elliott: that some of this discourse brought up

[3:17:52] Trustee Elliott: during the public town hall may not be information

[3:17:58] Trustee Elliott: that the LTC can respond to at this time

[3:18:00] Trustee Elliott: because it's a matter in the courts.

[3:18:04] Trustee Elliott: So just interjecting here for you to decide

[3:18:08] Trustee Elliott: how you'd like to proceed.

[3:18:09] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[3:18:09] Voice 28: And

[3:18:10] Trustee Elliott: I do want to move on.

[3:18:11] Trustee Elliott: I understand.

[3:18:12] Voice 28: I just wanted to

[3:18:12] Voice 20: finish up and then I'll go.

[3:18:17] Voice 20: Why is it that the province and the city of Richmond

[3:18:21] Voice 20: in the city of Kamloops and I think now the city of Coquitlam and the residents of those

[3:18:26] Voice 20: areas in fact that are all incredibly upset about the decision and want clarity and are

[3:18:31] Voice 20: appealing the case and talking about funds to protect owners who may lose their lands

[3:18:36] Voice 20: because the bank may not refinance it and the trust is going down the path of creating

[3:18:43] Voice 20: buffers that to me are acknowledgements that the First Nations have some interest in that

[3:18:50] Voice 20: land. They do.

[3:18:52] Voice 20: They may not. They may not.

[3:18:57] Trustee Patrick: You raised it.

[3:19:03] Trustee Patrick: First Nations do have it. Let's

[3:19:07] Voice 20: decide what rights Sunaimo has on Gabriel. I want to know

[3:19:12] Trustee Patrick: what the trust position is

[3:19:15] Voice 20: on private property rights on Gabriel. I'll leave that with you. All right. Thank you.

[3:19:20] Trustee Patrick: But

[3:19:20] Voice 20: I can respond to that. What is your view of private property rights on Gabriel?

[3:19:25] Trustee Patrick: Excuse me, sir. We've got a meeting we'd like to carry on with.

[3:19:29] Voice 20: I know, and what I have to say is not pretty important because you've already made your decision on this.

[3:19:34] Voice 20: You know, the patients have longer meetings, and we should have community meetings that last a day, several of us,

[3:19:46] Voice 20: about this issue.

[3:19:47] Voice 6: Trustee Yates, did you want to speak?

[3:19:50] Voice 6: Well, I don't know if this helps or not, but I know when that first map came in,

[3:19:57] Voice 6: there were a lot of questions about why the 200 meters was around the entire shoreline of the island

[3:20:04] Voice 6: and not just in what we thought was culturally sensitive areas.

[3:20:10] Voice 6: And I did some research on that.

[3:20:12] Voice 6: And my conclusion is maybe we published the map before we had enough information to put out to the public because it has caused a lot of distress and a lot of questions and confusion.

[3:20:26] Voice 6: Certainly the research I did went all up and down the coast of BC, all sorts of coastal areas where many communities are looking literally at 200 meter shoreline buffers for all sorts of reasons.

[3:20:39] Voice 6: And so it seems like a sort of a wise, preemptive thing to do, to think about, but be careful about maybe putting it on a map before we've had some good discussion.

[3:20:52] Voice 6: And I think maybe we erred in that way. I feel like we may have erred in that way, because I think it's a really valuable thing for all coastal communities to think about very seriously.

[3:21:03] Voice 6: obviously. And I think the other confusion arises from the fact that this whole OCP process

[3:21:11] Voice 6: has... I'm sorry, but this is public comment period. Can we talk about that during the OCP?

[3:21:15] Trustee Patrick: Well, actually, I'd like to move on. We have guests today. We're way behind time. I hope you

[3:21:20] Trustee Patrick: feel... I mean, we've had a lot of public comment today. We're going to be talking about the OCP

[3:21:25] Trustee Patrick: project in a bit. You're welcome to stay here and hear how we ourselves respond to the same

[3:21:30] Trustee Patrick: information that you're responding to uh we haven't even done that yet um so if you're okay

[3:21:36] Trustee Patrick: i'd like to move on we have guests from the regional district in nanaimo did you have

[3:21:39] Trustee Patrick: something you'd like to have

[3:21:40] Voice 32: with me public comments at a section i want to make a little

[3:21:44] Voice 32: comment on something entirely different from this but if all of them you know

[3:21:51] Voice 32: well

[3:21:52] Trustee Patrick: we're not going to have a public comment during that'll be our chance to have a comment

[3:21:56] Trustee Patrick: So if you have something you feel we should know before that, this would be your opportunity.

[3:22:01] Voice 32: Okay, it's an entirely different subject.

[3:22:02] Trustee Patrick: That would be great.

[3:22:03] Trustee Patrick: Well done.

[3:22:04] Trustee Patrick: As

[3:22:05] Voice 32: far as the entirety of the subject, it's around the community plan and the review.

[3:22:11] Voice 32: And I have a concern that all along the way, something that's arisen and has been given some attention,

[3:22:18] Voice 32: So I'm going to jump into part of the development permit areas.

[3:22:21] Voice 32: So we're going to do that, but I see that slipping away,

[3:22:26] Voice 32: and I can understand you guys are having one hell of a day,

[3:22:28] Voice 32: not to mention the whole business you're dealing with in the OCP and the policy state.

[3:22:33] Voice 32: But I just want to make sure that the concept of creating development permit areas on the island

[3:22:42] Voice 32: is not lost as we're developing the OCP.

[3:22:46] Voice 32: I think it's something that is extremely important and will certainly raise a lot of questions in the community.

[3:22:52] But

[3:22:53] Voice 32: if you've got a good community group that is working on that,

[3:22:57] Voice 32: in form of Katie McGarrett, Hugh Skinner, Kevin Perrins, who unfortunately is not well right now,

[3:23:05] Voice 32: she's our champion, and myself, and we're really, really focused just on both permanent areas.

[3:23:12] Voice 32: so you've got somebody you can go to to uh you know look for support uh in the community plan

[3:23:19] Voice 32: review i just don't want that to be lost at this point it seems to be slipping away

[3:23:26] Voice 32: sorry i'm going to comment on uh what

[3:23:29] Voice 21: the gentleman we

[3:23:29] Trustee Patrick: don't debate here but is there

[3:23:31] Trustee Patrick: something you wish to add well

[3:23:33] Voice 21: i would all logically disagree that there could be small

[3:23:35] Voice 21: groups discussing dpas you know on their own unilaterally and uh you know this has to be

[3:23:40] Voice 21: really encouraging the whole community

[3:23:42] Voice 21: that everybody discusses whether they want DPAs

[3:23:44] Voice 21: or not. Having a group of four

[3:23:46] Voice 21: people discuss it and have some information

[3:23:48] Voice 21: on it, I'm fine personally if I can do that,

[3:23:50] Voice 21: but I would hope that you wouldn't be influenced by

[3:23:52] Voice 21: four people.

[3:23:54] Voice 21: That's

[3:23:54] Trustee Patrick: right. This is perfect.

[3:23:56] Trustee Patrick: All right. Thank you, everyone.

[3:23:59] Trustee Patrick: We're going to get on

[3:24:00] Trustee Patrick: to having that conversation.

[3:24:02] Trustee Patrick: I really do appreciate

[3:24:04] Trustee Patrick: your trustee. I do want to hear from you.

[3:24:06] Trustee Patrick: It is important.

[3:24:08] Trustee Patrick: They are available all the time,

[3:24:10] Voice 34: all the

[3:24:10] Trustee Patrick: time. We are available all the time, it feels like. Please reach out, come and continue

[3:24:16] Trustee Patrick: the communications. I want to move on to the guests that we have before us today, and we're

[3:24:24] Trustee Patrick: going to jump up to, here it is, 10.1. So Rachel, just to get an eye out regarding the solid waste

[3:24:32] Trustee Patrick: and recycling development cost charge bylaw. Someone else to be in the hot seat for once.

[3:24:40] Trustee Patrick: they're far enough so watch out

[3:24:45] Voice 20: thank you for having us here today my name is ben meltridge i'm the manager of solid

[3:24:49] Voice 20: waste services for the regional district in the nine mall with me is kevin gazzetti he's

[3:24:53] Voice 20: the superintendent of salt excuse me solid waste operations uh so he takes care of the

[3:24:59] Voice 20: day-to-day operations of our landfill and then our long-term family and uh and search delivery

[3:25:04] Voice 20: uh i would like to present to you the proposed solid waste development cost charge bylaw

[3:25:09] Voice 20: Development cost charges are commonly referred to as DCCs.

[3:25:12] Voice 20: I would like to note that the original length

[3:25:14] Voice 20: of this presentation is more than 30 minutes,

[3:25:17] Voice 20: and that includes a much deeper look at our service

[3:25:19] Voice 20: and the proposed DCC program.

[3:25:21] Voice 20: However, in the interest of time,

[3:25:23] Voice 20: I provided you with a slide deck from that presentation,

[3:25:26] Voice 20: which I'll speak to shortly at a high level.

[3:25:28] Voice 20: The full presentation can be found

[3:25:30] Voice 20: at the RDN Get Involved webpage

[3:25:31] Voice 20: and the RDN YouTube channel.

[3:25:36] Voice 20: Our region is growing.

[3:25:37] Voice 20: By 2050, we expect more than 57,000 additional residents will live within the regional district

[3:25:42] Voice 20: of Nanaimo, increasing the population from 182,000 to more than 238,000.

[3:25:49] Voice 20: This means more waste and recycling, even with higher rates of diversion as identified

[3:25:54] Voice 20: in our solid waste management plan.

[3:25:56] Voice 20: Since 2019, the volume of material we have managed at our facilities has increased by

[3:26:00] Voice 20: more than 35%.

[3:26:02] Voice 20: This year alone, we project nearly 90,000 tons of material will need to be landfilled,

[3:26:07] Voice 20: which is almost 50% more than five years ago.

[3:26:10] Voice 20: Recent legislative changes now allow for the collection of decent seeds for solid waste

[3:26:15] Voice 20: facility.

[3:26:17] Voice 20: This will help us to ensure that future growth will pay for the impact of services that that

[3:26:23] Voice 20: growth will have and will allow us to reduce tax impacts on existing property owners while

[3:26:28] Voice 20: providing a stable funding for diversion and recycling infrastructure.

[3:26:32] Voice 20: So what are DCCs?

[3:26:34] Voice 20: DCCs are one-time charge collected from developers when new homes or buildings are created.

[3:26:40] Voice 20: They fund the growth-related share of infrastructure costs,

[3:26:44] Voice 20: while existing users continue to pay food taxes and tipping fees for the services delivered.

[3:26:51] Voice 20: For single-family homes, DCCs are collected at subdivision approval,

[3:26:55] Voice 20: and for multifamily and non-residential projects at building permit issuance.

[3:26:59] Voice 20: At present, the proposed rates are $534 per unit for a single detached or mobile home.

[3:27:07] Voice 20: A multifamily unit is priced at $423 per unit.

[3:27:12] Voice 20: And for commercial, we base the price on a square meter cost, which is $25.

[3:27:19] Voice 20: Industrial would be $22 per square meter, and institutional is $24 per square meter.

[3:27:24] Voice 20: A review of the 2024 building permits for RDN Electoral Area B showed that the average cost to construct a single-family home was $427,000, while the average cost to construct a multiple-family dwelling was $248,000.

[3:27:40] Voice 20: Based on the proposed DCC rates, that would be equal to approximately 0.12 to 0.17% of the total construction costs in 2024.

[3:27:49] Voice 20: Over the next 25 years, DCCs will help to fund approximately $30 million in growth-related

[3:28:00] Voice 20: projects at our facilities, including upgrades for landfill gas systems and solid waste infrastructure.

[3:28:06] Voice 20: The intent is to use DC revenues to reduce the tax requisition that is identified in

[3:28:12] Voice 20: our Solid Waste Management Plan by up to 30% in some years.

[3:28:16] Voice 20: This will provide a fair, consistent framework for service delivery.

[3:28:19] Voice 20: The first reading of the by-law was passed in October 2025, and we are now seeking public

[3:28:24] Voice 20: input until December 15th, 2025.

[3:28:27] Voice 20: We invite those that are interested to visit the Get Involved RDN Solid Waste DCC website

[3:28:32] Voice 20: and review details and complete the survey.

[3:28:36] Voice 20: Feedback will inform the Board's decision in early 2026.

[3:28:40] Voice 20: The intent of Solid Waste DCCs is to help ensure that the costs associated with residual

[3:28:45] Voice 20: growth are apportioned fairly, while supporting the infrastructure needs, waste diversion and the circular economy.

[3:28:53] Voice 20: Development cost charges help maintain a balanced approach, reducing reliance on taxation,

[3:28:58] Voice 20: while further promoting sustainability and delivering solid waste services equitably for current and future generations.

[3:29:04] Voice 20: This framework reflects our commitment to environmental stewardship, long term resilience and growing the circular economy.

[3:29:11] Voice 20: We welcome your questions and feedback. Thank you.

[3:29:16] Voice 6: that's amazing i'm just wondering if there's going to be any sort of um what's the word i'm

[3:29:21] Voice 6: looking for compensation or assistance for certain institutions um institutions for example that

[3:29:29] Voice 6: might be um might have a difficult time getting built in the first place but but are really

[3:29:36] Voice 6: necessary for health or whatever would there be any adjustment of that even though of course

[3:29:42] Voice 6: they'd be, you know, producing garbage too. Would

[3:29:46] Voice 6: there be any adjustment for that kind of an

[3:29:49] Voice 6: institution?

[3:29:50] Voice 20: Yeah, that's a great question. Thank you for asking. In the much longer presentation,

[3:29:54] Voice 20: we sort of get into that. And so when you develop DCCs, the board will send assist factors.

[3:30:00] Voice 20: the minimum they can assess they can they can set as one percent they can set it right to 99

[3:30:05] Voice 20: there's also a waivers bylaw that can come into play that the board consider

[3:30:08] Voice 20: while the program is being developed or they can consider it after the fact

[3:30:13] Voice 20: and waivers can come in you can see that where they'll waive the bcc's or certain

[3:30:17] Voice 20: projects or certain types of institutions makes

[3:30:20] Voice 6: sense thank you

[3:30:23] Trustee Elliott: I think our

[3:30:25] Trustee Elliott: average value here, our average construction value is $428,000.

[3:30:30] Voice 20: In 2024, yes.

[3:30:32] Voice 20: Yeah.

[3:30:33] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:30:34] Voice 11: Yeah, that's the

[3:30:35] Voice 9: number that just

[3:30:36] Voice 11: jumped out at me.

[3:30:38] Voice 11: And

[3:30:38] Voice 20: so what we did is we developed a solid waste financial and asset management plan in 2019 as part of our solid waste management plan.

[3:30:47] Voice 20: And the intent was really to understand both what our operational costs were year to year or replacement costs, but also factor in what all of the projects were from that date all the way up to the projected closure of the landfill.

[3:31:00] Voice 9: And

[3:31:00] Voice 20: so a lot of the time we don't, you know, when you look at regional services, they can't project what those numbers are.

[3:31:06] Voice 20: Our plan allows us to actually calculate those.

[3:31:09] Voice 20: And so you'll see a slide there where that's the one where it indicates all the projects that the DCCs could apply to.

[3:31:16] Voice 20: What we then did is we calculated how much of those projects new development would benefit from, and that's where we arrived at that 23.7% or 24% of the total cost, which is the $30 million.

[3:31:31] Voice 20: The intent is to take DCC revenue, so if we collected a dollar in 2026, we would then discount the 2026 solid waste tax rec by a corresponding amount.

[3:31:40] Voice 20: The intent is not to generate more revenue, it's just

[3:31:42] Voice 20: to offset that taxation.

[3:31:43] Voice 20: I

[3:31:44] Trustee Patrick: see a regional money manager has her hand raised.

[3:31:52] Voice 26: Thank you,

[3:31:52] Voice 26: Chair.

[3:31:54] Voice 26: Pardon me.

[3:31:55] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, Chair.

[3:31:56] Trustee Elliott: Perhaps when there's an opportunity for questions,

[3:31:59] Trustee Elliott: I just wanted to note that there's a question about how this program would

[3:32:05] Trustee Elliott: also consider nonprofit building for housing.

[3:32:08] Trustee Elliott: Maybe that's something that the RDN staff can also speak to with this program.

[3:32:15] Trustee Elliott: So

[3:32:18] Voice 20: thank you. Through the chair, the same application of the discount factor and then the waivers bylaw would come into play.

[3:32:25] Voice 20: So if the board was direct staff to create a waivers bylaw, then it should consider what projects would be waived or if they would receive a discounted DCC cost.

[3:32:37] Trustee Patrick: So I guess in general, I think for the community's sake, it's the consultation in the public period, just what that is for Gabriel.

[3:32:47] Trustee Patrick: real life?

[3:32:47] Voice 20: So if residents would like to go onto the website, they can ask questions, they can phone

[3:32:53] Voice 20: staff, they can email staff. All of our planning departments, our solid waste planning department

[3:32:57] Voice 20: is ready to provide assistance. We've contracted an external consultant that's been very valuable

[3:33:04] Voice 20: in getting this program to this point. She's a wealth of knowledge. So we encourage any sort

[3:33:08] Voice 20: of questions. You know, we're getting after this right away. I mean, in a short period of time,

[3:33:14] Voice 20: the province didn't let solid waste services charge dcc's until last year and so the intent

[3:33:20] Voice 20: is the sooner we can sort of look at this and consider it the board was to adopt it

[3:33:25] Voice 20: we're able to keep those fees as low as possible as opposed to coming in in 10 years and then having

[3:33:30] Voice 20: to recover the funds so

[3:33:33] Trustee Elliott: wow

[3:33:34] Voice 9: so

[3:33:35] Trustee Elliott: sorry and the 30 million refers to the total capital cost that

[3:33:41] Trustee Elliott: needs to be like the new development so

[3:33:44] Voice 9: i'll

[3:33:48] Voice 20: try it in a very brief sense the landfill is is

[3:33:51] Voice 20: constructive in itself and so we can imagine the current cell which is cell three um or cell two

[3:33:57] Voice 20: b sorry uh is roughly 90 full and so new development will only benefit from 10 of that

[3:34:03] Voice 20: but cell three any new development will benefit from that during those years and so the capital

[3:34:10] Voice 20: cost to build that for new residents or the new percent of the population is 23.7 percent of that

[3:34:17] Voice 20: total cost and that's what we've attributed to DCC so so it's a quite a complicated matrix to

[3:34:26] Voice 20: work through and there is

[3:34:27] Voice 20: a on our on our presentation on the get involved page there

[3:34:31] Voice 20: goes into quite the depth of that but essentially we know what the capital cost will be we know how

[3:34:37] Voice 20: much how many residents benefit from that benefit from that currently it's roughly 77 percent i'd

[3:34:44] Voice 20: say 76 percent the 24 percent are still coming will benefit from it when they're here and

[3:34:50] Voice 20: therefore they should pay redevelopment costs right all

[3:34:55] Voice 11: right

[3:34:57] Trustee Elliott: so just so we're clear at this

[3:35:00] Trustee Elliott: point what would be the cost to a homeowner building a single family dwelling a single

[3:35:06] Voice 20: A single family dwelling would be $534.

[3:35:11] Voice 18: Ah, cool.

[3:35:12] Voice 18: Great.

[3:35:19] Trustee Elliott: Everybody can go to their website,

[3:35:21] Trustee Elliott: because it sounds too

[3:35:23] Voice 6: complicated to understand.

[3:35:24] Voice 6: It's a very good presentation.

[3:35:26] Voice 6: If there's

[3:35:28] Voice 20: ever any questions or anything,

[3:35:29] Voice 20: please don't hesitate to reach out.

[3:35:30] Voice 20: Seth and I are happy to answer questions.

[3:35:32] Voice 6: And I have to say, the Regional District of Nanaimo

[3:35:34] Voice 6: is way ahead of a lot of places

[3:35:36] Voice 6: where they haven't planned ahead to get rid of their garbage,

[3:35:39] Voice 6: and they're in really, really big trouble.

[3:35:41] Voice 6: So

[3:35:42] Trustee Elliott: your economy, I love what they did,

[3:35:44] Trustee Elliott: the doughnuts and the economy approaches.

[3:35:47] Trustee Elliott: So it's the best thing can be.

[3:35:49] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[3:35:50] Voice 20: Thank you for having us.

[3:35:51] Voice 20: Please look forward to it.

[3:35:52] Trustee Elliott: Watch out for the Bali Islands in the region.

[3:35:54] Trustee Elliott: I'm also.

[3:35:56] Voice 4: Yeah, that's one of my favorites.

[3:35:57] Voice 4: We have to keep on around.

[3:35:59] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[3:36:00] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:36:01] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:36:02] Voice 4: Have some time to go enjoy a hard coffee shot.

[3:36:05] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:36:06] Voice 4: Thanks for your patience.

[3:36:07] Voice 4: Take care.

[3:36:10] Voice 12: Well, all right,

[3:36:10] Trustee Patrick: trustees, we still have a lot of business for us this evening.

[3:36:15] Trustee Patrick: It's starting to feel like this evening.

[3:36:18] Trustee Patrick: Yep.

[3:36:19] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[3:36:20] Trustee Patrick: Sorry, I'm just going to get my agenda up and running.

[3:36:24] Trustee Patrick: We're going to get in process here and moving through the business of today.

[3:36:28] Trustee Patrick: So thank you, everyone.

[3:36:29] Trustee Patrick: And that's a fascinating interest on DCC.

[3:36:34] Trustee Patrick: So, wow.

[3:36:36] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[3:36:38] Trustee Patrick: We are now at item eight on the agenda.

[3:36:40] Trustee Patrick: agenda which is the minutes we have the minutes from the October 9 meeting here beginning on

[3:36:45] Trustee Patrick: page four of the agenda package are there any additions or corrections to the minutes there

[3:36:49] Trustee Patrick: was

[3:36:50] Voice 6: one little addition okay and then which Lisa Miller knows about but I will mention it here on

[3:36:58] Voice 6: page nine um there are two names Kelsey Rush and Thalia and it would be helpful if Thalia's last

[3:37:06] Voice 6: last name was put in there. So it is Astophelophilus, and I did send it to Lisa to get the spelling

[3:37:13] Voice 6: correct. And rather than say care of Carl Bain, shouldn't it say on behalf of Carl Bain? Because

[3:37:19] Voice 6: that's what they said they were there on behalf of Carl. Are

[3:37:26] Trustee Patrick: there any other additions or changes

[3:37:28] Trustee Patrick: to the minutes? Can we, through general consent, approve the minutes as amended? Excellent.

[3:37:41] Voice 12: I

[3:37:42] Trustee Elliott: don't know just I don't think literally just caught my eye but it's fine and trustee Elliot

[3:37:46] Trustee Elliott: replied period I think that's the first time I've ever seen that I just replied period

[3:37:53] Voice 18: no comment well at least you replied all

[3:37:56] Trustee Patrick: right we'll keep moving though yeah okay so we're at

[3:38:00] Trustee Patrick: the follow-up action list is uh item 9.1 on the agenda on page 15 of the agenda package are there

[3:38:05] Trustee Patrick: are any items in the follow-up action list that either trustees or staff wish to bring to our

[3:38:09] Trustee Patrick: attention? If we

[3:38:13] Voice 6: know, we're at about 50 percent on item three in the follow-up action report on

[3:38:20] Voice 6: the info about Brickyard Beach, shellfish survey results, and reaching out to the Navy Aquamarine

[3:38:26] Voice 6: Division in progress? 50%? Any comments on that or?

[3:38:33] Voice 25: I think, yeah, sure. I think that we reached out to the Marine

[3:38:39] Voice 25: Division as the Marine Division. And I haven't heard back at this

[3:38:46] Voice 25: point. We've also reached out to DFO and I have kind of

[3:38:52] Voice 25: interrupted with with leaves and yeah with some of this strike action so i haven't picked this

[3:38:58] Voice 25: up again but um i received a voicemail saying that there was not a study done

[3:39:06] Voice 25: uh right there at beach and so i don't have clarity or or i haven't been able to um

[3:39:12] Voice 25: i get back to back to them to inquire further about it but that's the

[3:39:17] Voice 25: So that's what I did here in the voice mail of these.

[3:39:21] Trustee Elliott: I can share the name of a citizen of the First Nation

[3:39:24] Trustee Elliott: that we just hired specifically for their shellfish division.

[3:39:29] Trustee Elliott: But they are in elections right now.

[3:39:32] Trustee Elliott: So that might be why we're not getting a response

[3:39:35] Trustee Elliott: from a counselor.

[3:39:38] Trustee Elliott: But I can follow up with that

[3:39:41] Trustee Patrick: name.

[3:39:44] Trustee Patrick: Any other questions on the follow-up questions?

[3:39:46] Trustee Patrick: Just

[3:39:47] Voice 6: one again on page 17. Minor project charter endorsed for project to start in April 2026. That's for Mudge. Is that for the Mudge OCP?

[3:40:00] Voice 25: Yes.

[3:40:01] Voice 15: Okay.

[3:40:01] Voice 6: Maybe it should just say that there.

[3:40:03] Voice 25: Sure. I can add a note to

[3:40:06] Voice 25: that. The purpose of this item is to note that the OCP requested us send that

[3:40:13] Voice 6: product charter to the OCP.

[3:40:15] Voice 6: yeah

[3:40:15] Voice 25: and

[3:40:16] Voice 6: that's and that's actually the thing that you're doing sending it to yeah

[3:40:20] Voice 6: any

[3:40:23] Voice 11: other

[3:40:24] Voice 12: comments and

[3:40:25] Voice 6: i just had a question of clarity for myself um the page 18 um the first

[3:40:33] Voice 6: one on there um regional director the current regional bylaw enforcement 750 south road 1400

[3:40:42] Voice 6: had been south of 1955 stalker road that now we had originally asked for a six-month compliance

[3:40:50] Voice 6: date for two of those properties and i'm guessing that that now has been put into a

[3:40:55] Voice 6: abeyance and we're not

[3:40:57] Trustee Elliott: asking that's in canada no

[3:41:00] Voice 6: okay well

[3:41:01] Trustee Elliott: that's not to do with

[3:41:02] Trustee Elliott: that's why that's the audience

[3:41:05] Voice 11: okay okay um

[3:41:10] Voice 6: i just need some clarity so i know what we're doing

[3:41:13] Voice 6: with that

[3:41:14] Voice 25: yeah if you want to discuss whether something is or is not on camera basically

[3:41:20] Voice 25: that is something that you can do in canada okay

[3:41:23] Trustee Patrick: okay thank you uh regional planning manager

[3:41:29] Trustee Patrick: Thank you,

[3:41:31] Trustee Elliott: Chair. I just wanted to confirm any discussion on an active enforcement file

[3:41:36] Trustee Elliott: would be subject to an update, but it would be an in-camera item. So we can go in-camera

[3:41:45] Trustee Elliott: if you wish to discuss matters.

[3:41:49] Voice 6: No, because it's on the follow-up action list, so I'm sure it'll

[3:41:52] Voice 6: become clear at some point.

[3:41:53] Trustee Elliott: Okay. For clarity, the Chair, the follow-up action list refers to

[3:41:57] Trustee Elliott: discussions had um about policy more about policy and process approaches to enforcement between the

[3:42:04] Trustee Elliott: regional district of nanaimo and islands trust in a corny coordinating way um rather than um

[3:42:12] Trustee Elliott: right the specific

[3:42:13] Trustee Elliott: enforcement matters thank you any

[3:42:17] Voice 11: other questions okay

[3:42:22] Trustee Patrick: um we already

[3:42:24] Trustee Patrick: um addressed the delegation so that means we're moving into the applications and referrals for

[3:42:30] Trustee Patrick: of the meeting we are at item 11.1 which is a development permit 2025.0308 uh there's a staff

[3:42:44] Trustee Patrick: report on page 22.

[3:42:46] Voice 25: have you read uh have the ltc reorganized the order of the agenda yeah

[3:42:53] Voice 8: we

[3:42:54] Trustee Elliott: were thinking maybe we can have a consultation of questions from with the applicant and if we

[3:43:01] Trustee Elliott: need to go on camera to discuss any um sensitive matters would it be appropriate at that time

[3:43:08] Voice 15: but this one yeah

[3:43:12] Voice 12: deferred decisions too um yeah

[3:43:15] Trustee Elliott: if you're there was just some questions

[3:43:18] Trustee Elliott: that might be better in our discussion but that's not where it's scheduled so but i think we need to

[3:43:28] Trustee Elliott: move ahead with the application okay

[3:43:30] Trustee Patrick: forward right so uh there's a stock report on page 22

[3:43:36] Trustee Patrick: who's going to present that yeah

[3:43:39] Voice 23: so thank you chair i'll present that apologies for not using

[3:43:42] Voice 23: the name tag my name is ian cox i'm the planner two in the northern office here uh so this is

[3:43:47] Voice 23: an application for a development permit um in the flat top islands area on seer seer island um the

[3:43:57] Voice 23: The island falls within the development permit area, and it also falls within DPA 5 for Gabriel Pass, at least the water area, but no proposed development has taken place in the water area.

[3:44:09] Voice 23: So it's just the DP for the flat tops area, which is an area DP enacted for protection of the natural environment.

[3:44:21] Voice 23: The proposal is to demolish the current single family dwelling that is on the property and rebuild in relatively the same footprint, or certainly in the same location.

[3:44:37] Voice 23: According to the proposal and the calculations therein, mapping and construction plans,

[3:44:45] Voice 23: The footprint will be reduced slightly of the single-family dwelling, including some

[3:44:50] Voice 23: accessory structures and pathways, paved areas and so forth that you can see in Table 2 of

[3:44:58] Voice 23: the environmental assessment by ROE provided in the attachment to the report.

[3:45:05] Voice 23: The guideline, the DPA guidelines in your land use by-law have been addressed adequately

[3:45:14] Voice 23: by the applicant that stops finding and hence the recommendation you have on

[3:45:21] Voice 23: page one of the report. The whole permit would be subject to the environmental

[3:45:26] Voice 23: report and recommendations therein by ROE as well as the arborist report that

[3:45:33] Voice 23: was provided with the application and some of those recommendations have

[3:45:38] Voice 23: have been extracted from those reports and included specifically in the in the permit

[3:45:44] Voice 23: as requirements one of which is construction monitoring by QEP as well as a post assessment

[3:45:52] Voice 23: report and so forth so we can answer any questions on that the LTC has and I think I'll

[3:45:58] Voice 23: leave it there in the interest of time there's there of course the alternatives presented at

[3:46:07] Voice 23: end of the report you can request more information if you feel that um that is required in order to

[3:46:13] Voice 23: decide on whether the application meets those guidelines in your land use bylaws um and so

[3:46:19] Voice 23: take any questions that interest you have is

[3:46:22] Trustee Patrick: the applicant with us today the

[3:46:24] Voice 23: applicant is online

[3:46:25] Voice 23: yeah so

[3:46:26] Trustee Patrick: does the applicant have anything they wish to add at this time um no we

[3:46:33] Voice 2: just wanted to say

[3:46:34] Voice 2: hello and thank you for your time today. It's Cedric Burgers. I'm the principal architect

[3:46:39] Voice 2: with NADA-AWATI and we're in our office in West Vancouver. Thank you for your time.

[3:46:44] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. Justice, questions for the planner or the applicant?

[3:46:51] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I find the report is excellent and I really appreciate the extensive listing of

[3:47:03] Trustee Elliott: all the wildlife and habitat and protection of the upland areas and the tree areas. So

[3:47:12] Trustee Elliott: I think it's really comprehensive and substantial work, so thank you.

[3:47:24] Trustee Elliott: Is the homeowner currently a resident of Gabriola Island or live in the area?

[3:47:32] Voice 26: Yeah, they're not a resident of Gabriola.

[3:47:36] Voice 26: Okay.

[3:47:36] Voice 26: There

[3:47:37] Voice 2: will be

[3:47:38] Voice 2: residents on this island, though, that's why they're building the home.

[3:47:43] Voice 2: Okay.

[3:47:44] Trustee Elliott: And have you informed them and had any conversations about the protection of archaeological values on the island?

[3:47:55] Voice 26: Sorry, can you say that again?

[3:47:57] Voice 26: Yeah, just regarding the archaeological values

[3:48:00] Trustee Elliott: and sites on the island.

[3:48:02] Trustee Elliott: and just wanted to get a sense of sort of the level of knowledge

[3:48:06] Trustee Elliott: and confidence that they are informed of the right process.

[3:48:12] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I think

[3:48:13] Trustee Elliott: we

[3:48:14] Voice 26: were given a brochure early on on how to delegate that.

[3:48:21] Voice 26: So I think it would refer back to that information.

[3:48:28] Voice 26: But yeah.

[3:48:29] Voice 26: yeah so

[3:48:31] Voice 2: yeah so they and the applicant and ourselves our clients and ourselves are aware

[3:48:36] Voice 2: of those obligations yeah yeah

[3:48:42] Voice 8: i

[3:48:46] Trustee Elliott: mean there's sort of a heightened awareness here on gabriola

[3:48:51] Trustee Elliott: um because we're in a in an ocp review i don't know if you've heard anything earlier

[3:48:56] Trustee Elliott: um but there is very strong interest in in making sure that archaeological and potential

[3:49:01] Trustee Elliott: potential heritage sites are protected and noting in the report that there is one identified

[3:49:08] Trustee Elliott: archaeological site that's within about 100 meters of the proposed building area.

[3:49:15] Trustee Elliott: Has there been any communication or reach out to the Senegal First Nation to determine

[3:49:21] Trustee Elliott: if they have any requirements or requests for how those values are to be protected and

[3:49:29] Trustee Elliott: cared for?

[3:49:29] Trustee Elliott: at this

[3:49:34] Voice 26: point no no

[3:49:37] Voice 2: uh no there we haven't done anything beyond beyond that no um you know our

[3:49:44] Voice 2: understanding was because we're building on the footprint more or less of the existing house

[3:49:48] Voice 2: and we're actually reducing the footprint that um the the uh the impact of the home would be

[3:49:56] Voice 2: lessened than its current than the current configuration of the house so i mean if that's

[3:50:03] Voice 2: worth anything? We're building a slightly smaller footprint?

[3:50:10] Trustee Elliott: Yes, of course. Building projects can

[3:50:14] Trustee Elliott: extend, be larger than the footprint of a home if it's being constructed. So we don't have any

[3:50:22] Trustee Elliott: consideration in this DP about cultural heritage. And I recognize that. And I consider that you've

[3:50:28] Trustee Elliott: met all the conditions of our development permit. I guess I'm asking as someone who's interested in

[3:50:38] Trustee Elliott: knowing that there will be every effort made to ensure that the cultural heritage that is

[3:50:48] Trustee Elliott: evidently on that property will be protected and looked after.

[3:50:53] Voice 2: Yeah, we would of course embrace

[3:50:55] Voice 2: that but what would that entail would would it entail archaeologists or because there's no

[3:51:02] Voice 2: requirement for an archaeological report as far as i'm concerned um what would you like us to do

[3:51:09] Trustee Elliott: well i guess i i'm inviting a conversation about the level of knowledge so that we can

[3:51:15] Trustee Elliott: share um if there are best practices or if there's a way that um we can invite

[3:51:22] Trustee Elliott: the name of First Nation into a conversation and perhaps I think they would be the most appropriate

[3:51:28] Trustee Elliott: people to answer how those archaeological sites should be cared for. I just wanted to know if that

[3:51:35] Trustee Elliott: level of knowledge is there, if there's an openness to that conversation and how we could facilitate

[3:51:40] Trustee Elliott: that.

[3:51:41] Voice 2: We'd be happy to but I think our concern is the process and how long it takes

[3:51:49] Voice 2: And so if that was something that was going to take months or even years to accomplish, then I think that we would be very hard pressed to have a project at all.

[3:52:00] Voice 2: And so we want to make sure that we timing and timeliness of this application is dealt with.

[3:52:06] Voice 2: and because it wasn't a requirement for the submission we'd be happy to cooperate as much

[3:52:13] Voice 2: as possible but we wouldn't want to see the project being delayed or hung up because of any

[3:52:22] Voice 2: any requirements that are over and above the development permit application requirements.

[3:52:29] Trustee Elliott: Well you understand there are requirements under the Heritage Conservation Act

[3:52:32] Trustee Elliott: that archaeological sites cannot be touched or altered or impacted or disturbed so that is a

[3:52:43] Trustee Elliott: provincial requirement that a permit is necessary if there is going to be any

[3:52:50] Trustee Elliott: impact or disturbance so that's what i'm trying to ascertain that's not ours to hold

[3:52:57] Trustee Elliott: but we're in a position because we have a protocol agreement with the islamic first nation

[3:53:04] Trustee Elliott: As a local government body to share information, especially about heritage sites which impact their interests.

[3:53:16] Trustee Elliott: I just want to make sure that everybody's in the know needs to be.

[3:53:26] Voice 2: We can look into it for sure.

[3:53:31] Voice 6: Thank you. So under consultation, and then the subheading First Nations, it does say here in this report that as reviewed, the application is consistent with respect to LTC standing resolutions on reconciliation and with our protocol agreement with the name of First Nation.

[3:53:58] Voice 6: So do we want to go further than that, I guess, is the question.

[3:54:04] Voice 6: Any, I don't know, maybe some advice from Planner Cox?

[3:54:11] Voice 23: Yes, so through the Chair, what the report is stating, essentially,

[3:54:20] Voice 23: the staff's understanding of the current protocol agreement

[3:54:22] Voice 23: isn't that there is no specific referral type clause in that agreement.

[3:54:29] Voice 23: At the moment, that is something that's always in discussion.

[3:54:33] Voice 23: There's some probably, you know, that agreement would be revamped

[3:54:38] Voice 23: and not given the work that the trust and the LTC is doing.

[3:54:45] Voice 23: And at this time, staff has been given direction

[3:54:50] Voice 23: that we're not referring development permits specifically

[3:54:54] Voice 23: specifically um to um except in very certain circumstances um as distinct from other

[3:55:02] Voice 23: applications such as rezonings variance permits where the ltc has a bit more conferred discretion

[3:55:09] Voice 8: um

[3:55:10] Voice 23: through the local government act and i know that's a very um you know sort of clinical

[3:55:15] Voice 23: description but that is that is the case and

[3:55:17] Voice 23: through the chair i

[3:55:18] Trustee Elliott: can jump in as well this

[3:55:19] Trustee Elliott: This is our friend, Gemma.

[3:55:22] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so just to also add with regards,

[3:55:25] Trustee Elliott: so the report recognizes the protocol agreement

[3:55:29] Trustee Elliott: with Senegal and First Nation.

[3:55:31] Trustee Elliott: That's an agreement between the elected officials.

[3:55:34] Trustee Elliott: So it hasn't yet been further discussed

[3:55:36] Trustee Elliott: to actually administer some of those actions,

[3:55:41] Trustee Elliott: like where referrals could work or be shared, for example.

[3:55:47] Trustee Elliott: some of those conversations I think are intended to be underway but for the purposes of this

[3:55:54] Trustee Elliott: development permit application and the review from staff that information has been captured

[3:56:01] Trustee Elliott: and recognized as being important for the development permit we do have to follow and

[3:56:10] Trustee Elliott: we do recognize the provincial legislation as well and my understanding is that hasn't been

[3:56:18] Trustee Elliott: flagged as a recommendation to report out any sites this proposal is not going to be on an

[3:56:33] Trustee Elliott: unknown ARC site. So in terms of what more information the LTC would like, I think that's

[3:56:40] Trustee Elliott: a question beyond this particular application and something I would suggest we might need to

[3:56:46] Trustee Elliott: discuss further in another matter or at another time pardon me it would need more information

[3:56:57] Trustee Elliott: for staff to follow up on and direction from the ltc i

[3:57:01] Trustee Patrick: think one i'm hearing i mean i think we'd

[3:57:03] Trustee Patrick: all strongly encourage the applicant to create a relationship um you know with just being stewards

[3:57:11] Trustee Patrick: of the island and create that relationship with with um listening i think it's beneficial to all

[3:57:23] Trustee Patrick: I have a question on the wild. This looks like a lot of glass on page 91 of our agenda package.

[3:57:30] Trustee Patrick: This looks like a wall of glass. Is that what generally this house will be?

[3:57:34] Trustee Patrick: And I'm wondering about wildlife. You have glass and windows and birds come to mind,

[3:57:42] Trustee Patrick: and I was just wondering if that has been factored into the architectural design of

[3:57:48] Trustee Patrick: the house is the of the effect of the birds and the windows hi

[3:57:58] Voice 2: sorry we just were on mute there

[3:58:00] Voice 2: for a sec um the home is a lot of glass because it is a very very beautiful site and of course

[3:58:07] Voice 2: the views are incredible um it is low um there's large overhangs over all the glass

[3:58:14] Voice 2: um and we've designed it in a fashion whereby when the clients are not there or when there's

[3:58:22] Voice 2: you know there's a lot of sun there are shades that roll down and uh and protective um protective

[3:58:28] Voice 2: roller blinds that will come down and cover up the glass so for for the time when the clients

[3:58:37] Voice 2: are not our clients or the owners are not in the home it will be shaded and there will be the glass

[3:58:43] Voice 2: will be covered so in terms of wildlife and birds running into the glass we can assume that they

[3:58:49] Voice 2: They won't run into the side of the building because it'll be,

[3:58:52] Voice 2: the glass will be covered for other times.

[3:58:55] Trustee Patrick: Internal shades or external shades?

[3:58:57] Trustee Patrick: There

[3:58:58] Voice 2: are both internal and external.

[3:59:01] Trustee Patrick: Oh, and external, okay, interesting, thank you.

[3:59:03] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, so

[3:59:03] Voice 2: the external shades are actually weather protection

[3:59:07] Voice 2: because of the glasses, you know, we don't want to get it too dirty.

[3:59:10] Voice 2: And so the external shades form weather protection

[3:59:12] Voice 2: and they can come down at any time.

[3:59:15] Voice 2: so it's not a glass box that will sit there with with birds banging into it i'm acutely aware of

[3:59:21] Voice 2: that i don't know if there's much we can do to prevent that other than we'll the house will be

[3:59:25] Voice 2: shaded a lot of the time so the internal shades will prevent birds from hitting the glass and the

[3:59:30] Voice 2: external shades will certainly prevent them from hitting the glass so those are the measures that

[3:59:36] Voice 2: we've taken i agree with you i think um uh birds are you know there's a reason why they why the

[3:59:43] Voice 2: clients want to be there and we want to protect that wildlife for sure yeah

[3:59:47] Trustee Patrick: yeah right trustee

[3:59:49] Trustee Patrick: other

[3:59:49] Trustee Elliott: questions trustee elliott um i'm going to request that we defer this to the next meeting

[3:59:55] Trustee Elliott: because i think this ltc

[4:00:00] Trustee Elliott: Needs to consider policies in our official community plan that relate to the protection of heritage and archaeological resources.

[4:00:10] Trustee Elliott: There is a specific policy in 6.3 that states this is the name of the first nation and the archaeology branch should be consulted prior to the initiation of any development,

[4:00:23] Trustee Elliott: development and a future development which may impact on a known archaeological site

[4:00:28] Trustee Elliott: on the Agriola or an area exhibiting potential for the presence of unrecorded archaeological

[4:00:33] Trustee Elliott: sites.

[4:00:34] Trustee Elliott: And in my view, we need to pause and consider how this policy fits with issuance of a DP

[4:00:46] Trustee Elliott: in such a close proximity for a new building site to known archaeological

[4:00:53] Trustee Elliott: sites. I just want to understand and make sure that we're doing the right thing. I

[4:00:58] Trustee Elliott: have no problems issuing this DP. I think our planners and the proponents have

[4:01:03] Trustee Elliott: done really good work. I just want to make sure that we're clear on the

[4:01:08] Trustee Elliott: process and we're not going to cause problems down the line. It's really

[4:01:15] Trustee Elliott: making sure that we daylight any potential issues so that there aren't delays or hiccups or problems

[4:01:24] Trustee Elliott: all of these islands are incredibly sensitive areas and homelands too it's the name of first

[4:01:33] Trustee Elliott: nation there's a reason why some some of our policies are very clear and explicit

[4:01:37] Trustee Elliott: about protection and heritage sites because we've made mistakes as a community before

[4:01:44] Trustee Elliott: And I just want to make sure that we embrace all the voices who need to be informed about development that's happening there.

[4:01:55] Trustee Elliott: We have RPM Gemma to please.

[4:01:59] Trustee Elliott: Thank you. Through the chair.

[4:02:02] Trustee Elliott: For development permits, there are guidelines that also would need to be looked at and reviewed,

[4:02:11] Trustee Elliott: which has occurred through this report in considering the official community plan

[4:02:19] Trustee Elliott: guidelines and other aspects that Trustee Elliott has flagged. That hasn't been contemplated I think

[4:02:27] Trustee Elliott: in terms of how that is captured within development permit guidelines. So that is a part of our

[4:02:36] Trustee Elliott: development permit framework that has not been considered for any development permit

[4:02:43] Trustee Elliott: review so I think there is to answer that question staff can provide some clarity with

[4:02:55] Trustee Elliott: a resolution I suggest a resolution to that effect however the answer to that question

[4:03:02] Trustee Elliott: for this particular application staff can look into that but just what I'm flagging here

[4:03:10] Trustee Elliott: for the LTC is that that question may be beyond the development permit guidelines and what staff

[4:03:17] Trustee Elliott: are are looking at that speaks to higher level policy which is also important to capture

[4:03:23] Trustee Elliott: but perhaps not within unfortunately the framework that we have the LTC has

[4:03:31] Trustee Elliott: within the development permit area framework to consider.

[4:03:34] Trustee Elliott: I

[4:03:37] Voice 6: have a question of RPF Jabra. Just going back to a couple of years ago when we did have another development permit and there was a lot of confusion about that and referring it to First Nations.

[4:03:53] Voice 6: at any point between then and now have they asked us not to refer development permits and only to

[4:04:02] Voice 6: refer rezonings i'm a little bit unclear on that or did they didn't say like i know they want us

[4:04:09] Voice 6: to refer rezonings did they say not to refer dpas or or is that sort of open so

[4:04:17] Trustee Elliott: our requirement to

[4:04:18] Trustee Elliott: refer to nations through legislation what aspect is the legislation and what requires local

[4:04:23] Trustee Elliott: local governments to refer it is for official community plan and land use bylaw amendments

[4:04:28] Trustee Elliott: it doesn't apply to other types of applications but

[4:04:34] Voice 6: we didn't get a specific request from the

[4:04:37] Voice 6: name of the station to not not do dpas like not i just need to know that like how busy are they

[4:04:45] Voice 6: and do they have time for this and that kind of thing this is actually in that

[4:04:48] Trustee Elliott: conversation

[4:04:49] Trustee Elliott: Conversation. Yes, that conversation. There are more questions to that that come up with potentially to agreements and relational agreements that might be a conversation had.

[4:05:02] Trustee Patrick: Can I ask the applicant their timeline or schedule, what they were intending for construction?

[4:05:13] Trustee Patrick: Sorry, can you repeat that?

[4:05:14] Trustee Patrick: What was your intended, what was your anticipated schedule, construction schedule?

[4:05:23] Voice 26: Yeah, spring of next year.

[4:05:27] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[4:05:28] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[4:05:31] Voice 26: Yeah.

[4:05:33] Trustee Patrick: When is our next meeting?

[4:05:35] Trustee Patrick: January 22nd.

[4:05:36] Trustee Patrick: Not until January 22nd?

[4:05:38] Trustee Patrick: Well, so

[4:05:40] Voice 26: we have to, in order to meet that spring construction, we still need to apply for a building permit with the Regional District of Nanaimo.

[4:05:48] Voice 26: Right.

[4:05:52] Trustee Elliott: so are you aware that

[4:05:58] Trustee Elliott: has their own referral process

[4:06:02] Trustee Elliott: and you might

[4:06:05] Trustee Elliott: perhaps approach them

[4:06:07] Trustee Elliott: and just begin an early

[4:06:09] Trustee Elliott: conversation

[4:06:11] Trustee Elliott: on behalf of the landowner

[4:06:17] Trustee Elliott: sort of in the interest of

[4:06:19] Trustee Elliott: establishing that mutual respect

[4:06:21] Trustee Elliott: and regard and that nothing will be done

[4:06:23] Trustee Elliott: to the site just so that there isn't

[4:06:24] Trustee Elliott: alarm later on down the date that's what i'm trying to get at is how do we communicate

[4:06:30] Trustee Elliott: um because there are no local sites they know where their own archaeological sites are and

[4:06:38] Trustee Elliott: because we're in an ocp review and there is active conversation about the protection of heritage

[4:06:45] Trustee Elliott: we can't i'm not trying to retroactively put restrictions on you it's more about

[4:06:51] Trustee Elliott: engaging the nation because they're interested in seeing, I think they'd welcome a conversation

[4:06:58] Trustee Elliott: and that is their own referral process, so I encourage you to reach out.

[4:07:04] Trustee Elliott: I would like to take more time with this, I'm happy to share any information if you need,

[4:07:10] Trustee Elliott: but this is a very important consideration and I just want to make sure that your client

[4:07:18] Trustee Elliott: and whoever is going to be building is well aware of the importance of protecting archaeological sites.

[4:07:28] Voice 2: Thank you for that. I think we would be very, very happy to engage with First Nations

[4:07:35] Voice 2: and to make them aware of the development.

[4:07:42] Voice 2: It's not something we're, it's commonly done on many of our projects.

[4:07:48] Voice 2: it just wasn't a requirement on this one and so our concern would be we can do it voluntarily

[4:07:53] Voice 2: and and happy to copy you on those emails and and uh and that correspondence with first nations

[4:08:00] Voice 2: and we would be actively engaging with them we just my concern is that the timelines often

[4:08:08] Voice 2: required for their approvals if they if this is required as part of your approval process

[4:08:14] Voice 2: would be so onerous as to make the project unviable.

[4:08:18] Voice 2: So I can see us involving archeologists,

[4:08:22] Voice 2: I can see us involving First Nations on this

[4:08:24] Voice 2: if they request us to be involved,

[4:08:28] Voice 2: but I just don't want to make it a requirement if possible.

[4:08:31] Trustee Elliott: No, and that's not what I'm asking.

[4:08:35] Voice 2: We

[4:08:36] Trustee Elliott: are, as the RPM and the planner have indicated,

[4:08:40] Trustee Elliott: the criteria for the DP have been met.

[4:08:45] Trustee Elliott: it's just through this process we we would invite you to engage with

[4:08:49] Trustee Elliott: first nation and knowing that our community already has specific policies and i do we can

[4:08:57] Trustee Elliott: send those to you about alerting senate first nation to any development prior to happening

[4:09:04] Trustee Elliott: and that's just it's respectful it's um it engages them in the conversation so it's not

[4:09:12] Trustee Elliott: a an alarming reaction we can um and i really hear your willingness to to do it in a good way

[4:09:19] Trustee Elliott: and so i appreciate that yeah i

[4:09:21] Trustee Elliott: see our general thank you chair i think um maybe my comment is is

[4:09:30] Trustee Elliott: not directly related to this application it's just a consideration that um any procedural items or

[4:09:37] Trustee Elliott: steps that we would take for our processes would need to have that review and discussion and of

[4:09:44] Trustee Elliott: course with Sunimah Nation and with internally with our our our teams and with the LTC and Trust

[4:09:53] Trustee Elliott: Council so just mindful of that and making sure that that is heard that if there are

[4:10:01] Trustee Elliott: any discussions about adding or changing our processes that there's a there's some work that

[4:10:09] Trustee Elliott: we need to be done and in priority to take place for that to happen no

[4:10:14] Trustee Patrick: absolutely and I think in

[4:10:15] Trustee Patrick: some cases I've had involvement on other islands where a private island the owner really learned a

[4:10:24] Trustee Patrick: lot by having that relationship because it's not just the house site it's you know building trails

[4:10:29] Trustee Patrick: trails and other things that may happen on the island and understanding that there may be areas

[4:10:34] Trustee Patrick: where that are more important than others. And just being aware of that allows the owner the

[4:10:39] Trustee Patrick: choice to stay out of those areas or to avoid them or to maybe build the trail a different

[4:10:45] Trustee Patrick: direction. So it just, it's a good relationship and sets off so that there isn't an accidental

[4:10:52] Trustee Patrick: building another shed or something, and it gets put in the wrong place and creates harm.

[4:10:57] Trustee Patrick: so that's what we're looking at is it's a relationship of the land and sharing the

[4:11:02] Trustee Patrick: stewardship of the land and just some knowledge sometimes helps everybody stay in a good good

[4:11:08] Trustee Patrick: place yeah

[4:11:11] Voice 26: and we hear that and we would be happy to look we're very sensitive and we understand

[4:11:15] Voice 26: the importance of that um and so we would be happy to voluntarily reach out to them and kind

[4:11:21] Voice 26: of understand the procedures and the next steps and just you know like understanding the land more

[4:11:27] Voice 26: if anything yeah

[4:11:29] Trustee Patrick: i think that's thank you very beneficial thank you uh uh rpm jammer your hands

[4:11:34] Trustee Patrick: still up did you have little okay uh trustees how do you want to proceed um

[4:11:39] Voice 6: do we need and to

[4:11:40] Voice 6: facilitate any back and forth in between the administration and the developer or will they

[4:11:47] Voice 6: just know how to do that besides themselves well i think

[4:11:51] Trustee Elliott: we've heard from the rpm that we're still

[4:11:54] Trustee Elliott: We are actively revising our referral processes, so we need some time, but I don't want to delay this for a minute.

[4:12:03] Trustee Elliott: I think there's a separate question of how to convey information, communicate between all parties.

[4:12:10] Trustee Elliott: But I think we should let staff maybe take the lead on that.

[4:12:16] Trustee Elliott: I

[4:12:17] Voice 23: think yeah through the chair staff certainly capable so good

[4:12:19] Voice 23: based on the applicants

[4:12:20] Voice 23: at least to do that we can provide some information on how to contact information

[4:12:24] Voice 23: all

[4:12:24] Voice 8: right

[4:12:29] Trustee Patrick: all right ready to move ahead all right we would like to proceed resolutions on page 22

[4:12:35] Trustee Patrick: happy

[4:12:36] Voice 6: to read it I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee approve PLDP

[4:12:44] Voice 6: P20250308

[4:12:44] Voice 6: with the conditions as included

[4:12:47] Voice 6: in the draft permit.

[4:12:49] Voice 6: Second. Seconded by Trustee

[4:12:51] Trustee Patrick: Elliott. Any discussion?

[4:12:54] Trustee Patrick: All the vote. All those in favor?

[4:12:57] Trustee Patrick: That carries.

[4:12:59] Trustee Patrick: So thank you and I think that's

[4:13:00] Trustee Patrick: you know we are all in a growing

[4:13:03] Trustee Patrick: relationship and I think you'll find

[4:13:04] Trustee Patrick: it's a great relationship to

[4:13:06] Trustee Patrick: create and

[4:13:08] Trustee Patrick: that the owner can enjoy

[4:13:10] Trustee Patrick: for a long time and

[4:13:12] Trustee Patrick: in a relationship that will carry on for a long time thank

[4:13:16] Trustee Elliott: you thanks for your willingness and

[4:13:17] Trustee Elliott: your openness thank you thank

[4:13:19] Trustee Patrick: you all right prestige we're going to move on to the next item

[4:13:24] Trustee Patrick: which is item 11.2 this is a temporary use permit 2025 0167 it's on 2372

[4:13:34] Trustee Patrick: windecker drive and there's a staff report on page 93 of the agenda package

[4:13:41] Voice 11: We have another planner.

[4:13:45] Voice 16: Hello, thank you, Jane Patrick.

[4:13:46] Voice 16: Yeah, I also didn't bring my name tag today, but this is my planner, Margot Comitas.

[4:13:52] Voice 16: I'll be introducing the report today.

[4:13:54] Voice 16: And the owner is also present to speak.

[4:13:57] Voice 16: Okay.

[4:13:58] Voice 16: Yeah, so basically the purpose of this report is to introduce an application for temporary

[4:14:04] Voice 16: use permit to allow the operation of a commercial vacation rental in an attached secondary

[4:14:10] Voice 16: suite on the subject property at 2372 Windecker Drive. The applicants have

[4:14:17] Voice 16: applied to the LDC to consider issuing the permit for three years for the

[4:14:21] Voice 16: land use by-law to UQ guidelines. Staff is recommending issuing, considering that the

[4:14:27] Voice 16: proposed commercial vacation rental complies with all UQ guidelines, zoning and land use regulations.

[4:14:35] Voice 16: And the owners have also provided a record of sewerage system and a

[4:14:39] Voice 16: technical design review for sewerage disposal plan, a water plan, a guest information package,

[4:14:46] Voice 16: indication of any off-street parking for up to two vehicles. We've also provided an occupancy permit

[4:14:53] Voice 16: stating that the dwelling is safe to occupy which was issued in April of 2025. It's a very new

[4:15:00] Voice 16: building, a secondary suite. They also provided confirmation that the dwelling meets the

[4:15:05] Voice 16: requirements of the bc fire code and confirmation of an on-island operations manager available 24

[4:15:11] Voice 16: hours per day seven days per week uh no public correspondence has been received

[4:15:17] Voice 16: uh at the time of the meeting and yeah i think they're open for any questions

[4:15:22] Voice 16: and uh mr colby is here do you have any questions directly for the owner thank

[4:15:29] Trustee Patrick: you well did uh

[4:15:30] Trustee Patrick: Mr. Colby, would you like to make any comments before we open up for questions, sir?

[4:15:34] Voice 12: No, I don't think so.

[4:15:36] Voice 12: That's right.

[4:15:38] Voice 12: Thank you.

[4:15:39] Trustee Patrick: We want to give you the opportunity.

[4:15:41] Voice 6: Trustees, questions or comments?

[4:15:43] Voice 6: Go ahead, trustees.

[4:15:44] Voice 6: Just a couple of questions.

[4:15:46] Voice 6: One for Planner Timaides.

[4:15:48] Voice 6: On page 95, it says that the suite will be rented out for a maximum of six weeks in the summer months.

[4:15:57] Voice 6: But on page 98 in the letter from the owners, it says four to six weeks in summer and three to four weeks in spring.

[4:16:10] Voice 6: So there's a little technical thing missing there.

[4:16:16] Voice 6: And the other thing I wanted to ask, a couple of things I want to ask.

[4:16:20] Voice 6: But thank you very much, Planner Tomaitis, for including the TUP guidelines with always updating us on where the short-term vacation rentals are, what neighborhoods they're in, and how many there are.

[4:16:34] Voice 6: I find that really helpful.

[4:16:37] Voice 6: Now, technically, I know that the commercial vacation rental could be up to four bedrooms.

[4:16:43] Voice 6: But I would like to do what we did with the last one that we had like this, that could have had four bedrooms, and make sure it's limited only to...

[4:16:55] Voice 11: Sure, thank you.

[4:16:59] Voice 12: Is that agreeable to you?

[4:17:03] Voice 32: Yes, it's built above the garage. It's finished and there's no plans to build any more bedrooms or any other...

[4:17:12] Voice 15: I

[4:17:13] Voice 6: gathered that from from this but I want to make sure it stays that too because you can sell and

[4:17:19] Voice 6: the

[4:17:20] Voice 8: temporary

[4:17:23] Trustee Patrick: use permit doesn't limit days operation or are they all limited sorry there's

[4:17:30] Trustee Patrick: no limit on days of operation

[4:17:32] Voice 16: no no there's no so there it's just a two-year

[4:17:36] Voice 16: companies flexible on number of days per year thank you yeah

[4:17:42] Voice 11: i

[4:17:43] Voice 6: have one more just a suggestion

[4:17:45] Voice 6: um to the owners that you have a nice guest suite information page which is wonderful um i would

[4:17:52] Voice 6: suggest also um going to the museum and getting something on first nations history and culture

[4:17:58] Voice 6: and their presence on gabriola which is i think everyone should know about i would also suggest

[4:18:05] Voice 6: of getting the Gertie community bus schedule and making it available it's online of course

[4:18:10] Voice 6: and making that available to your guests as well because we always like to promote active

[4:18:15] Voice 6: transportation just

[4:18:19] Trustee Elliott: do you have any other questions a question for staff in condition

[4:18:24] Trustee Elliott: I can't read roman numerals my eyes are fading to water water metering in what circumstances

[4:18:33] Trustee Elliott: would you recommend water metering and which would be a demonstration of sufficient quantity of

[4:18:43] Trustee Elliott: water because it's said to be determined by a local trust committee and is that a political

[4:18:51] Trustee Elliott: decision or is it a um there must be something raised that we're concerned about the amount of

[4:18:59] Trustee Elliott: water being used yeah

[4:19:01] Voice 16: so through the chair i didn't quite answer all of them

[4:19:05] Voice 16: Oh, Trustee Yates' question's first, but I can go through, if that's your last question.

[4:19:09] Voice 16: Yeah.

[4:19:10] Voice 16: Yeah, yeah, for now.

[4:19:12] Voice 16: So I think you had asked, Trustee Yates, about why it's the discrepancy between the six weeks

[4:19:19] Voice 16: number total.

[4:19:20] Voice 16: I think that was because on page 95, there was mention of water supply, and

[4:19:30] Voice 8: that water

[4:19:32] Voice 16: supply is sort of um more more attention is paid in the summer months to water supply so there was

[4:19:39] Voice 16: just a question how many how many weeks for temporary use permit and throughout the summer

[4:19:45] Voice 16: during the dry season when water is more restricted um and then i think your second

[4:19:51] Voice 16: question that the tpv you know at the ltc's request the temporary use permit may be updated

[4:19:57] Voice 16: to limit to two bedrooms, just the way that the suite is already set up,

[4:20:02] Voice 16: then that might

[4:20:03] Voice 16: definitely be edited.

[4:20:07] Voice 16: And then, yeah, water.

[4:20:09] Voice 16: So are you talking about...

[4:20:11] Voice 16: The water supply

[4:20:13] Trustee Elliott: states as 5,000 gallons that you've got to raise our collection system.

[4:20:20] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[4:20:20] Trustee Elliott: So it's more, I just hadn't gotten down to this water metering requirement as a potential

[4:20:28] Trustee Elliott: potential to limit impacts on groundwater and that's something we keep hearing from the community

[4:20:36] Trustee Elliott: especially in this short foreshore areas or the sorry along the shore where water may not be as

[4:20:45] Trustee Elliott: abundant um so i just kind of wondered if staff would have liked that because well water's an

[4:20:51] Trustee Elliott: an issue so if you want me to like yeah

[4:20:54] Voice 16: you would share um i think it's again at the ltc's

[4:21:00] Voice 16: discretion this this particular property hasn't been identified as high risk they could have those

[4:21:06] Voice 16: 5 000 gallons of cisterns with rainwater collection and treatment for potable water system

[4:21:14] Voice 16: um to be topped up using groundwater one day um if that that rainwater that grows five thousand

[4:21:22] Voice 16: gallons um and they'll run out during the dry season um i think that it would be maybe um

[4:21:28] Voice 16: under bath and help uh if there's ever been a water meter in condition place before in a

[4:21:33] Voice 16: timber use permit yeah

[4:21:37] Voice 25: i couldn't speak to that but the is that if it's yeah it's coming from

[4:21:43] Voice 25: the guidelines where it just notes that the local trust committee may require water meeting metering

[4:21:49] Voice 25: and i think essentially just highlighting that that is a possibility that the ltc could request

[4:21:54] Voice 25: that to be um to be required to the permit um

[4:22:01] Voice 12: and i guess that would that would be sorry

[4:22:05] Voice 25: um that's fine i don't yeah i don't know it could be that it's occurred in the past i don't know

[4:22:15] Voice 25: typically when staff do the analysis, there's a specific water requirement that we look for.

[4:22:26] Voice 25: That's that certain number of liters per day.

[4:22:29] Voice 12: That's in the permit on page 99. It's 4.6.

[4:22:43] Trustee Elliott: yeah well i don't know if you're here earlier today but water is always a conversation

[4:22:50] Trustee Elliott: and a concern especially yeah we're still waiting for some mapping but we know that

[4:22:58] Trustee Elliott: density gabriel has some of the densest um um density of wells and so especially in the

[4:23:06] Trustee Elliott: coastline areas there's more concern over how much water we're drawing

[4:23:11] Trustee Elliott: especially for commercial use so I'm trying to be mindful of how

[4:23:19] Voice 6: to proceed

[4:23:20] Voice 6: I'm happy to move the motion as long as we have the amendment to limit the

[4:23:24] Voice 6: number of bedrooms to two you

[4:23:26] Trustee Patrick: have to make an amendment first I would believe

[4:23:29] Trustee Patrick: where what would that amendment where would you make it because it limits it

[4:23:34] Trustee Patrick: to four guests there was another so 4.8 says the maximum number of guests that may stay in the

[4:23:43] Trustee Patrick: commercial vacation rental is two per bedroom for a maximum of four guests at every any given time

[4:23:49] Trustee Patrick: that's fine is that now that's what's already in the permit yes

[4:23:53] Voice 6: but they have the ability i mean

[4:23:55] Voice 6: oh i see you know if they sold for example a commercial vacation rental generally would

[4:24:02] Voice 6: allowed for how does that work actually

[4:24:06] Voice 16: through the chair i'm just reading it again and this

[4:24:10] Voice 16: temporary use permit as proposed has been drafted section 4.7 and 4.8 um section 4.7

[4:24:18] Voice 16: that's right so you're right it actually says the maximum number of bedrooms for the commercial

[4:24:22] Voice 16: vacation rental is two so there's that policy that allows for up to four basically a lot

[4:24:27] Voice 16: excellent this temporary permit draft was catered to the size of the actual accessory suite so we

[4:24:34] Voice 16: don't need to do any amendments all right how

[4:24:38] Voice 16: would you like

[4:24:39] Trustee Patrick: to proceed well can we

[4:24:41] Trustee Elliott: would you be willing to post some information about cultural heritage and sort of awareness of

[4:24:48] Trustee Elliott: the the um we ask everybody this it's in it's in um it's in the museum a good place to get it

[4:24:56] Trustee Elliott: It's so terrible when you say that, it's not in

[4:24:59] Trustee Elliott: the museum, it's a living, like, relationship

[4:25:03] Trustee Elliott: for the land, please.

[4:25:04] Voice 32: But in terms of like a visitor's brochure.

[4:25:08] Trustee Elliott: A visitor's awareness, yeah, awareness and sensitivity of First Nations, like, it's a

[4:25:13] Trustee Elliott: part of that, so like, where do we live, this is a territory of First Nations, that kind

[4:25:17] Trustee Elliott: of language, that's the medium

[4:25:19] Trustee Elliott: in historical society has a nice write-up.

[4:25:21] Trustee Elliott: yeah um

[4:25:22] Trustee Elliott: we generally appreciate it when people are part of the education of um guests coming

[4:25:29] Trustee Elliott: to the island

[4:25:30] Voice 32: tell them where the catching lists are yes

[4:25:33] Trustee Elliott: and not to take rubbings and all that

[4:25:36] Trustee Elliott: respect yeah but yeah that would be appreciated if you could um you could have that yeah yeah

[4:25:43] Voice 32: i'd probably go to the visitor information center and get brochures sure yeah

[4:25:51] Voice 12: Yes.

[4:25:53] Trustee Elliott: Appreciate wet wipes do not belong in the septic.

[4:25:57] Trustee Elliott: Oh, yes.

[4:25:58] Voice 32: Well, I've got

[4:26:00] Voice 6: some really good articulate septic system.

[4:26:02] Voice 32: I lived in Bermuda for a while, so I know all the water conservation.

[4:26:06] Voice 20: We actually have signs

[4:26:08] Voice 20: that there's a bathroom in the power room. I've already put a little saying up that I found when

[4:26:14] Voice 20: i didn't really hear that okay so um sure for people to be very careful with water conservation

[4:26:19] Voice 20: and what you're flushing good thank

[4:26:22] Voice 32: you yeah

[4:26:24] Voice 6: it's your septic system yes this is true all right

[4:26:28] Trustee Elliott: trustees how'd

[4:26:30] Trustee Elliott: you like to proceed huh you

[4:26:32] Trustee Elliott: ready uh sure i go ahead i think that the gabriel island

[4:26:37] Trustee Elliott: local post committee approved issuance of pl tup 2025 zero one six seven for a period of three

[4:26:44] Trustee Elliott: years it's your

[4:26:44] Trustee Patrick: second i think by trustee yates any discussion all the vote all those in favor

[4:26:50] Trustee Patrick: that carries so thank you very much thank you very much thank you all right our next uh application

[4:26:57] Trustee Patrick: is 11.3 this is the rezoning 2022.1 staff report page 190

[4:27:09] Trustee Patrick: agenda package it's lovely to

[4:27:12] Voice 11: have all the planners back to work

[4:27:19] Voice 12: yeah just about yeah

[4:27:22] Voice 11: so who's report that's my report there you go

[4:27:25] Voice 12: go

[4:27:29] Voice 25: So, yeah, this report introduces bylaws 318, 319 to the local trust committee for consideration of third reading with the public hearing that happened today.

[4:27:41] Voice 25: for recommending that the file has to be read a third time and that they be forwarded to

[4:27:49] Voice 25: Executive Committee for approval and that the OCP's amendment by-law be forwarded to

[4:27:54] Voice 25: the Minister of Housing and Gas for approval as well. The recommendation is supported as

[4:28:02] Voice 25: all statutory requirements have been completed including the required notification and holding

[4:28:07] Voice 25: a public hearing consistent with the World Government Act,

[4:28:10] Voice 25: public government agency, or in relation to concerns

[4:28:14] Voice 25: that the raised with the proposed bylaws have been considered by the LTC

[4:28:19] Voice 25: and all islands trust bylaw amendments are part of the approval of executive

[4:28:23] Voice 25: committee and that's the approval of the minister

[4:28:26] Voice 12: for CP.

[4:28:33] Trustee Elliott: Question, I didn't see

[4:28:35] Trustee Elliott: there was one piece of correspondence that we were supposed to have

[4:28:38] Trustee Elliott: of received, apparently, it's not on the website that I can

[4:28:43] Trustee Elliott: find an updated

[4:28:47] Voice 25: public hearing binder was circulated. Oh, the

[4:28:50] Voice 25: additional, so the one submission.

[4:28:55] Voice 25: Thank

[4:28:55] Trustee Elliott: you. Key

[4:28:56] Voice 10: is leading noise.

[4:29:10] Voice 11: I have

[4:29:12] Voice 6: a question or a comment that our Chamber of Commerce

[4:29:17] Voice 6: executive director Erin Udall brought up earlier which I found really really useful and I don't

[4:29:25] Voice 6: mean specifically for this application although she was commenting on this application because

[4:29:29] Voice 6: it is an it's an it's an upzoning to a larger commercial space with more commercial amenities

[4:29:36] Voice 6: which is you know seems everybody seems pretty happy about that but the one thing that we didn't

[4:29:42] Voice 6: even think about asking for is any sort of public amenity, like a public washroom or a public water

[4:29:48] Voice 6: filling station or

[4:29:50] Voice 6: anything like that, or a bicycle recharge station, not vehicle, just bicycles.

[4:30:00] Voice 6: And I don't intend on asking for that now, but it is something that I would like to kind of remember for our work on the OCP, that if we have larger developments, like little malls or little plazas or little, where there's more than one commercial outlet, where you would have, you know, say you do have a tea house or a cafe and a restaurant and this and that, then, of course, your restaurant would have to have a washroom.

[4:30:26] Voice 6: But, you know, just the thought of a public washroom for cyclists to stop by, charge their bicycles, use the bathroom.

[4:30:38] Voice 6: It's almost like imposing a development cost charge only in an amenity sort of way.

[4:30:46] Voice 6: And I would never do that because something that's already on the books here.

[4:30:49] Voice 6: But it's something that I would like to think about for future commercial development, whether it be in a node, down at Whalebone, or at Silver Bay, or Twin Beaches, or even in the village area.

[4:31:04] Voice 8: What

[4:31:05] Voice 6: about, besides housing, which we've talked about already and it's already in here, what about amenities like a bike charging station and a public washroom?

[4:31:14] Voice 6: so I just want to keep that

[4:31:16] Voice 6: in our notes for

[4:31:17] Voice 6: future reference for OCP

[4:31:19] Voice 6: I would encourage you

[4:31:22] Trustee Patrick: to that I mean the Chamber of Commerce

[4:31:24] Trustee Patrick: that you've got a very active

[4:31:26] Trustee Patrick: Chamber of Commerce

[4:31:27] Trustee Patrick: those are really good roles that they should

[4:31:30] Trustee Patrick: be playing

[4:31:31] Trustee Patrick: to sort of

[4:31:34] Trustee Patrick: create some standards going forward

[4:31:36] Trustee Patrick: what would they like to see

[4:31:38] Trustee Patrick: they would be the

[4:31:40] Trustee Patrick: place to create

[4:31:42] Trustee Patrick: some of those ideas

[4:31:43] Trustee Patrick: is not everything needs regulation yeah

[4:31:47] Voice 6: i'll send a note to them and say hey send those ideas to us

[4:31:51] Voice 6: for the ocp review yeah

[4:31:54] Trustee Elliott: and i mean what's occurring to me is is we really need to get

[4:31:57] Trustee Elliott: gourd bared here to do some composting toilet installs

[4:32:01] Voice 9: um

[4:32:02] Trustee Elliott: like they do in parks there's some

[4:32:04] Trustee Elliott: large systems that you can install that don't use water and so if we're going to think about

[4:32:10] Trustee Elliott: require more requesting public facilities I agree with the electric

[4:32:16] Trustee Elliott: vehicle charging but maybe just bike but by this charging yeah I know how they

[4:32:23] Trustee Elliott: already have worked really hard to get those two target patients it's not a

[4:32:26] Trustee Elliott: simple process can we work that into the BC hydro electrification all right let's

[4:32:31] Voice 28: stay focused on this to

[4:32:33] Voice 6: get our Chamber of Commerce to submit something to the

[4:32:40] Voice 6: OCP review process.

[4:32:41] Voice 6: All

[4:32:42] Trustee Patrick: right. Are there any questions or comments at this time and how would you like to proceed?

[4:32:49] Trustee Patrick: I think

[4:32:49] Trustee Elliott: on balance what we heard is the public generally supports it.

[4:32:54] Trustee Elliott: I heard some strong comments, one or two, about additional density.

[4:33:03] Trustee Elliott: And I hear that and recognize that.

[4:33:06] Trustee Elliott: But when we consider the balance of,

[4:33:09] Trustee Elliott: And I'm going back to my role on the Housing Advisory Planning Commission before I was a trustee, how much we heard from the community about any future commercial development needs to be supported with some form of housing.

[4:33:27] Trustee Elliott: We didn't make it a requirement to be affordable housing because that was deemed to be too onerous for the landowner or the community member who wants a commercial development and wasn't perhaps intending to be a landlord.

[4:33:44] Voice 6: Well, there was another reason for that.

[4:33:45] Voice 6: We had input from people saying, what about workforce housing, not just affordable housing, what about just housing?

[4:33:53] Voice 6: So that was part of our decision too.

[4:33:55] Voice 6: yeah

[4:33:56] Trustee Elliott: that that was where we landed and that's what i still feel comfortable with is is allowing that

[4:34:04] Trustee Elliott: flexibility um hearing the community that we need some form of housing that it needs to be

[4:34:09] Trustee Elliott: in the village core um and if we're going to expand commercial uses can we expand

[4:34:15] Trustee Elliott: the opportunity for housing so i totally support this application happy to move

[4:34:22] Trustee Elliott: um either of these um post-violence move to third reading that's all my comments today thank you to

[4:34:32] Trustee Elliott: mr moan for a

[4:34:34] Voice 6: very long process and one more comment i really did understand what people

[4:34:39] Voice 6: were saying two people talked about the empty commercial space but that sadly sadly we have

[4:34:45] Voice 6: have no control over that we just don't and you know our decisions on new commercial space based

[4:34:53] Voice 6: on the right place the right time the market research done to support it um isn't conditional

[4:35:01] Voice 6: on filling empty spaces and it can't be because we just have no control over those empty spaces

[4:35:07] Voice 6: that aren't even owned by local owners so but i wanted to say on record that i really appreciate

[4:35:14] Voice 6: and understand the stress of people seeing empty spaces,

[4:35:19] Voice 6: commercial spaces that are not filled.

[4:35:22] Voice 11: Wonderful.

[4:35:24] Voice 25: Thanks, Chair.

[4:35:25] Voice 25: It would take me a minute to pull it up,

[4:35:28] Voice 25: but I did want to just note,

[4:35:30] Voice 25: based on the discussion on the charging stations,

[4:35:34] Voice 25: that this by-law would have the effect

[4:35:39] Voice 25: of putting the property

[4:35:42] Voice 25: into the Village Centre Development Permit Area,

[4:35:44] Voice 25: and one of those guidelines in that EPA requires that an electric vehicle charging station be provided

[4:35:52] Voice 25: when there's more than 25 parking spaces that are required.

[4:35:58] Voice 25: So that's a note back for you.

[4:36:01] Voice 11: Oh, thank you.

[4:36:04] Voice 10: All right, trustees.

[4:36:06] Trustee Elliott: Cool.

[4:36:08] Voice 10: Go ahead.

[4:36:08] Voice 10: I

[4:36:09] Trustee Elliott: move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 318, cited as Gabriel official community plan, Gabriel bylaw number 166, 1970, 1997, amendment number 1, 2024, be read a third time.

[4:36:25] Trustee Elliott: Second that.

[4:36:26] Trustee Elliott: Second by Trustee Yates. Any discussion?

[4:36:30] Trustee Patrick: All of them. All those in favor? That carries.

[4:36:33] Voice 34: I

[4:36:33] Voice 6: move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 319, cited as Gabriel Island Land Use Bylaw 19-19-9, amendment number 1, 2024, be read the third time.

[4:36:45] Voice 6: Is there a second?

[4:36:46] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Elia, discussion?

[4:36:48] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[4:36:50] Trustee Patrick: That carries.

[4:36:52] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee Proposed By-law No. 318, cited as

[4:36:59] Trustee Elliott: Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee Proposed By-law No. 166-1997 and No. 1-2024, be boarded

[4:37:07] Trustee Elliott: to the Minister of Housing and Municipal Affairs for approval.

[4:37:10] Trustee Elliott: Second.

[4:37:11] Trustee Elliott: Second by Trustee Yates.

[4:37:12] Voice 6: Discussion?

[4:37:13] Voice 6: All opposed?

[4:37:14] Voice 6: All in favor?

[4:37:15] Voice 6: Carries.

[4:37:15] Voice 6: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee Proposed By-law No. 318, cited as

[4:37:21] Voice 6: gabriella official community plan gabriella bylaw number 166 1997 amendment number one 2024

[4:37:28] Voice 6: and proposed bylaw number 319 cited as gabriella island land use bylaw 1999 amendment number one

[4:37:35] Voice 6: 2024 be forwarded to the secretary of the islands trust for executive committee approval second

[4:37:42] Voice 6: my trustee elliott any discussion all

[4:37:46] Trustee Patrick: about all those in favor that carries all right well

[4:37:50] Trustee Patrick: Well, thank you very much.

[4:37:53] Trustee Patrick: Next steps.

[4:37:53] Trustee Patrick: This goes out to the executive committee.

[4:37:55] Trustee Patrick: The OCP amendment goes out to the municipal affairs.

[4:37:59] Trustee Patrick: So thank you.

[4:38:01] Trustee Patrick: Oh, I see our staff are eager to keep us moving along

[4:38:04] Trustee Patrick: on the schedule here because the next item up then

[4:38:06] Trustee Patrick: is 12.1, which is the major project

[4:38:09] Trustee Patrick: Gabriel Island Comprehensive Community Plan

[4:38:11] Trustee Patrick: Land Use By-law Review Updates Staff Report

[4:38:14] Trustee Patrick: on page 131.

[4:38:16] Trustee Patrick: And I see Planner Chadwick, over to you.

[4:38:22] Voice 13: Thank you, Chair. Before I start, I just wanted to point out that there are a few things that I missed in this report. We had to fast track it. As you know, we were off for three weeks on job action and that sort of challenged staff to get reports in on time.

[4:38:46] Voice 13: So there's a couple of things that I, recommendations that I would like to add to this report, and then we can move through.

[4:38:57] Voice 13: This report is basically addressing a number of things that were outstanding with respect to the OCP discussions that the LTC had had and directions to staff that had not yet been actioned.

[4:39:14] Voice 13: So that's essentially what this report is.

[4:39:18] Voice 13: The recommendations that I was wanting to add to the report include the approval of the revised project charter.

[4:39:29] Voice 13: I've provided the project charter, but I don't have that recommendation in there.

[4:39:35] Voice 13: And then in addition, I wanted to add a request for staff to work with Sonamik First Nation to explore and access additional funding for archaeological overview assessment.

[4:39:54] Voice 13: So those were the two things that I wanted to add.

[4:40:00] Voice 13: Thank you.

[4:40:00] Voice 13: um so i i can go through sort of the different components of the i'll go through the different

[4:40:09] Voice 13: components of the report and uh and take your your questions as we move through so first of all

[4:40:17] Voice 13: the updated project charter so as i mentioned um because of the job action we've had to

[4:40:23] Voice 13: look at all of our project charters and see where revisions are necessary um it really only affects

[4:40:30] Voice 13: the water balance assessment report that had come in just before job action um and so the work

[4:40:38] Voice 13: the work needs to be done um by our uh policy or our senior water i can't remember his

[4:40:47] Voice 13: specialist thank you very much um william yes so he's he's working on that um and he

[4:40:59] Voice 13: He and he's also working with the consultants through that process as well.

[4:41:05] Voice 13: And that will be needs to be wrapped up by the end of the fiscal.

[4:41:09] Voice 13: So we should be seeing a report about February is is what I'm anticipating.

[4:41:20] Voice 13: So as I've indicated, the date for review of draft policy language, I haven't changed it,

[4:41:27] Voice 13: But I have indicated that it is ambitious. And the reason that I say that it's ambitious is because we would like to ensure that we have opportunity to do some internal review before we share it.

[4:41:41] Voice 13: And so the timelines that we've got established right now are still focused on February.

[4:41:52] Voice 13: But if we have any challenges with that, I'll give you a heads up.

[4:41:57] Voice 13: um any questions on the project charter go ahead uh trustee

[4:42:03] Voice 6: a couple on the first under

[4:42:05] Voice 6: the recommendations that they're great um number three uh request staff explore with the rdn so

[4:42:12] Voice 6: that's good the use of temporary use permits for oh yeah

[4:42:15] Voice 13: i'm sorry um trustee it's i'm just gonna

[4:42:18] Voice 13: i'm just moving through each one each item there you go i'm just gonna go through one so we're

[4:42:22] Voice 13: We're only at item one, updated project charter.

[4:42:25] Voice 13: Yeah, project charter.

[4:42:26] Voice 13: Okay, yeah.

[4:42:27] Voice 6: And these are

[4:42:28] Voice 6: all very quick questions.

[4:42:29] Voice 6: Okay, yeah.

[4:42:30] Voice 13: Yeah, so I can move swiftly through these things

[4:42:32] Voice 13: and we can get to that question.

[4:42:36] Voice 13: On the Gabriela build-out,

[4:42:37] Voice 13: so we've given you copies of the build-out map.

[4:42:41] Voice 13: And the reason you have hand copies

[4:42:43] Voice 13: is because we have now experienced

[4:42:46] Voice 13: what happens when you launch maps publicly.

[4:42:49] Voice 13: publicly and um and so this is also um something that we're doing with other ltcs now with our

[4:42:55] Voice 13: our build out map is providing uh hand copies to the um the ltcs um the thing with the build out

[4:43:04] Voice 13: maps is that um they are as accurate as possible um and they do take a whole lot of work because

[4:43:12] Voice 13: because there are covenants and other things

[4:43:14] Voice 13: that impact the final numbers.

[4:43:19] Voice 13: And so you can see the build-out map provides an indication

[4:43:24] Voice 13: of existing parcels, vacant parcels,

[4:43:29] Voice 13: potential additional parcels

[4:43:31] Voice 13: that are possible through subdivision,

[4:43:35] Voice 13: the existing dwell or potential dwellings

[4:43:41] Voice 13: based on existing policies, secondary, potentially secondary units, and then total. So that's what

[4:43:48] Voice 13: you're seeing on here. Are there any questions about what you're seeing on the build-out map?

[4:43:53] Trustee Patrick: It doesn't show though, for calling it a build-out map, it doesn't necessarily show that a lot

[4:43:59] Trustee Patrick: has a house on it. No, it doesn't. So

[4:44:04] Voice 13: it's just whether or not it

[4:44:06] Trustee Patrick: could be subdivided.

[4:44:08] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[4:44:09] Voice 13: and so the numbers in the chart indicate how many vacant parcels there are and how many units are possible.

[4:44:24] Trustee Patrick: All right, so that's just in the table, but the map doesn't show that.

[4:44:27] Trustee Patrick: The

[4:44:28] Voice 13: map doesn't show that, no.

[4:44:31] Voice 13: No, we do have access to BC assessment maps data that shows the actual units.

[4:44:39] Voice 13: So if that's of interest to trustees, we can we can share that information with you.

[4:44:50] Voice 12: Trustees questions on this.

[4:44:55] Voice 6: Just on the map or this is on the map.

[4:44:58] Voice 6: That was good and if I put my glasses on I can even read the chart, that's great.

[4:45:10] Voice 13: Yeah and this map will be useful, you know, this is just this is a part of the data set

[4:45:16] Voice 13: that we would be using to, if we have any recommendations around any changes in

[4:45:24] Voice 13: in dwelling potential increases or decreases this is kind of the baseline and then as I'd

[4:45:32] Voice 13: mentioned before we do have numerous other maps that we can be looking at if there's if there's

[4:45:41] Voice 13: any if there's you know to support discussions around any kind of changes to density and that

[4:45:48] Voice 13: would include the maps that are coming out of the freshwater footprint project actually there is

[4:45:54] Voice 6: one question about the map. I see Hogan Lake is on there. It's just a white

[4:45:58] Voice 6: lake. Then there's the exact square, the

[4:46:01] Voice 6: white exact square, and that looks like

[4:46:07] Voice 6: maybe Snenemach or maybe

[4:46:11] Voice 6: Snenemach First Nations Land, or is that the

[4:46:15] Voice 6: ecological reserve? Right there.

[4:46:18] Voice 6: I think

[4:46:23] Voice 12: it is a

[4:46:30] Voice 13: yeah the white properties are ones that wouldn't have um like no have um any potential potential

[4:46:38] Voice 13: for dwellings and the parks so they would i think they would have various zoning i i'm not sure

[4:46:46] Voice 13: exactly which one that is maybe stephen can help you out oh

[4:46:55] Trustee Elliott: that's going to be a crown land that's

[4:46:56] Voice 11: It's the, um,

[4:46:57] Voice 11: Wildwood

[4:47:00] Trustee Elliott: Crescent something multi parcel, I think, maybe,

[4:47:07] Voice 11: I think that's

[4:47:08] Voice 11: okay.

[4:47:11] Voice 11: We

[4:47:14] Voice 13: can have a closer look at that and, you know, when we provide you with maps, um, later

[4:47:20] Voice 13: on we can, um, yeah, we can make it more comprehensive when there's a link.

[4:47:28] Voice 13: Okay.

[4:47:29] Voice 13: Yeah.

[4:47:30] Voice 13: Yeah. Okay. So moving on. So there was a request for staff to look at this idea of subdivision

[4:47:42] Voice 13: potential. And staff are putting forward an option. So this option, and the reason why I put

[4:47:53] Voice 13: it in this staff report, I think it's important to have some discussion around now, is that if

[4:47:59] Voice 13: if this is the direction that, um, the LTC want to go, it, it does, it, it, it, it, um,

[4:48:07] Voice 13: it has a significant impact on how we write the OCP. So,

[4:48:13] Voice 13: um, the option that's being put forward

[4:48:16] Voice 13: is one that recognizes, um, the values that have come out of the community process that

[4:48:23] Voice 13: have focused on um affordable housing uh conservation of land uh for protection for

[4:48:31] Voice 13: environmental um protection and first nations interests so um those are the you know some of

[4:48:40] Voice 13: the those are the high level values and they are more detailed than when we look at the

[4:48:45] Voice 13: uh, what came out of that process. Um, and so the suggestion here is that, uh, if you're only

[4:48:53] Voice 13: focusing on those values, that any additional, um, any additional, uh, lots would support those

[4:49:01] Voice 13: values essentially. So that's why the suggestion here is to limit subdivision, subdivision potential

[4:49:07] Voice 13: to applications that deliver and support those key values, affordable housing, land conservation,

[4:49:16] Voice 13: First Nations interests, and that other interests to subdivide would require rezoning.

[4:49:27] Voice 13: So that's the recommendation that's put forward. There's some alternatives. Again,

[4:49:33] Voice 13: Again, with more time, I would have had more time to identify and more fully develop some of the alternatives.

[4:49:42] Voice 13: But it gives you something to start to think about.

[4:49:45] Voice 13: So one would be maintaining status quo.

[4:49:47] Voice 13: The other one basically would be limiting that idea to particular area.

[4:49:52] Voice 13: And it doesn't have to be this 200 meter area.

[4:49:54] Voice 13: It could be particular areas on the island.

[4:49:58] Voice 13: And one thing that I didn't add as a recommendation is is it could be related very specifically to water.

[4:50:06] Voice 13: And that's what we've yet to to get a sense of from the water footprint information.

[4:50:14] Voice 13: So those are the ideas that are put forward to you.

[4:50:17] Voice 13: And that's an option. And like I said, this is kind of an important decision because it will help inform how we proceed with the writing of the OCP.

[4:50:31] Voice 13: Oh, and I would like to just acknowledge that at the last meeting, I just want to acknowledge

[4:50:39] Voice 13: RPM Jamerat for delivering the report that I wrote and doing a great job at stepping

[4:50:50] Voice 13: in at the last moment there to do that.

[4:50:52] Voice 13: And that was an important report because that was the report that introduced the table of

[4:50:56] Voice 13: contents for the ocp and also um and also that's where we got the direction to start to draft so

[4:51:03] Voice 13: just wanted to make sure that i made that acknowledgement because that was a that was

[4:51:07] Voice 13: a quick turnaround on that

[4:51:08] Voice 8: all right

[4:51:11] Trustee Patrick: so would you like us to dwell on this uh recommendation

[4:51:16] Trustee Patrick: now would probably be a good thing to do i think so yes yeah that's great so trustees questions

[4:51:22] Trustee Patrick: Any questions, thoughts on this recommended option here or subdivision for limiting subdivision potential.

[4:51:28] Voice 6: I like it but we also need that water budget study to help us out with this.

[4:51:41] Voice 13: And so I would say, so I just I would just add that what this this recommendation is for us to move forward with drafting.

[4:51:48] Voice 13: drafting if we move forward to draft policies that um reflect this it doesn't necessarily mean

[4:51:56] Voice 13: that those can't be changed right so what we'll be presenting you with is a draft basically the

[4:52:02] Voice 13: draft language for the ocp and um and if you'd like us to draft a couple of different scenarios

[4:52:10] Voice 13: we can we can we could do that really

[4:52:14] Trustee Elliott: didn't want to ask for that so you just offered i know i

[4:52:18] Voice 13: as i

[4:52:19] Trustee Elliott: was saying it i was like

[4:52:20] Voice 13: creating some more work for myself because this

[4:52:24] Trustee Elliott: is the challenge

[4:52:26] Trustee Elliott: it because it is really hard to do this or to make a decision on a direction without that

[4:52:33] Trustee Elliott: what is that thing um because i like i'm torn between you know there's basically two things

[4:52:42] Trustee Elliott: that we're we keep hearing you know either any increase in density needs to

[4:52:49] Trustee Elliott: happen in the village core or where it's already there's amenities and everything

[4:52:54] Trustee Elliott: and yet that's not where

[4:52:57] Trustee Elliott: water we don't know that

[4:53:00] Trustee Elliott: so that's the it's it's really

[4:53:05] Trustee Elliott: hard to make a judgment call of what do we pull back in terms of areas that need

[4:53:11] Trustee Elliott: protection and should not be subdivided and where is the lens suitable to allow more density. So

[4:53:19] Trustee Elliott: I'm still struggling but if you can develop at least two scenarios that would be helpful.

[4:53:32] Voice 13: Okay so what I would need to know is if you want two scenarios we need to know what those

[4:53:35] Voice 13: scenarios are yeah

[4:53:37] Voice 10: yeah

[4:53:40] Voice 6: I'm going to go for a draft option that you have here

[4:53:52] Voice 6: try to stick with one for now and then see what happens when we get the broader

[4:53:56] Voice 6: budget

[4:53:57] Voice 8: because

[4:53:58] Voice 6: it's just a draft we can change it so go with the recommended

[4:54:01] Voice 6: option yeah and see how that yeah that

[4:54:07] Voice 6: would move it along a little more

[4:54:08] Voice 6: quickly but it still kind of it still encompasses our concerns and

[4:54:15] Trustee Elliott: we leave the um evaluation to you

[4:54:19] Trustee Elliott: planner chadwick because you know best what is going to happen as those policies are drafted

[4:54:26] Trustee Elliott: and if it's like oh this is a you know it's not going to respond to what we've heard from

[4:54:36] Trustee Elliott: community um and then you could create a second scenario if if there was a need like i don't want

[4:54:42] Trustee Elliott: to require one at this point yeah

[4:54:44] Voice 13: okay so what i'm thinking right now if we move if you move

[4:54:48] Voice 13: forward with the recommendation then like we you've not you've articulated what your interest

[4:54:53] Voice 13: is and so while we're moving through that and as we see the data we will be i mean it may be that

[4:54:58] Voice 13: we may have a second scenario for you by that point in time um but you know if we're we're

[4:55:04] Voice 13: challenged to get uh through the process to get a draft to you then we may not have a fully flushed

[4:55:12] Voice 13: alternative scenario but but we will be in a position to be able to create it like fairly

[4:55:18] Voice 13: efficiently knowing that that's what the interest is yeah

[4:55:23] Trustee Elliott: i think i think that's good

[4:55:26] Trustee Elliott: Good. Yes, because we want to get to the point where we can actually have something that the community can comment on.

[4:55:32] Trustee Elliott: Right now, it's very abstract and it's hard to envision what those policies are going to look like.

[4:55:41] Trustee Elliott: So we need something, I agree with you, to sort of move through the process so that we can get these comments and feedback.

[4:55:49] Trustee Elliott: So, yeah, I trust your judgment on this.

[4:55:55] Trustee Elliott: I think you're bringing in a very wise and considered and long-term lens to the

[4:56:04] Trustee Elliott: future development potential and what's needed and what's needed to be

[4:56:12] Trustee Elliott: restricted and I support that. And

[4:56:18] Voice 6: I have questions about your third

[4:56:21] Voice 6: recommendation but you might be getting to that. So you want to keep moving then?

[4:56:29] Voice 13: I have a question to the chair. Would you like to move to move to move through the recommendations

[4:56:40] Voice 13: related to each of these each of these sections in order? Because we could we could that way.

[4:56:49] Voice 13: Sure. So that would be the one related to the project charter and then we could move to the

[4:56:54] Voice 13: the one we've just discussed, and then we can just move on from there.

[4:56:56] Trustee Patrick: Sure. Now, you didn't give us a resolution, so what is your recommended

[4:57:00] Trustee Patrick: recommendation for the, oh, just approve the

[4:57:05] Trustee Patrick: updated project charter?

[4:57:09] Trustee Patrick: Version 5.

[4:57:10] Trustee Patrick: Well, that's in this staff report.

[4:57:13] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, it's

[4:57:14] Trustee Patrick: presented in the November

[4:57:15] Voice 13: 20th staff report.

[4:57:16] Trustee Patrick: Let's give Lisa a moment. She's very good at these things.

[4:57:20] Voice 13: Lisa, I should have sent that to you ahead of time.

[4:57:22] Voice 13: and what i have is that give

[4:57:25] Voice 34: her a local trust committee request staff

[4:57:28] Voice 34: the updated project charter as presented in the november 20th 2025 staff

[4:57:32] Voice 34: well it's not request staff approved it's endorsed and oh yeah we endorse it

[4:57:38] Voice 34: yeah the local trust committee endorsed the updated project charter as presented

[4:57:45] Voice 34: yeah

[4:57:46] Trustee Patrick: yes does that sound

[4:57:47] Voice 34: correct yeah

[4:57:49] Trustee Patrick: okay but we can still ask questions

[4:57:53] Trustee Patrick: uh no if you have questions about that sorry we're not ready for that one she did have a question so

[4:57:59] Trustee Patrick: you have questions

[4:58:00] Trustee Patrick: about the project charter yeah oh

[4:58:02] Trustee Patrick: so we're gonna go that's all right we'll slow

[4:58:05] Trustee Patrick: down a little bit so what's your questions about the project charter okay so there

[4:58:08] Trustee Elliott: isn't a motion

[4:58:09] Trustee Elliott: about project charter we're making it up and then we'll move

[4:58:12] Trustee Patrick: through the rest of this but yeah we're

[4:58:14] Trustee Patrick: we're gonna we're gonna we haven't talked about so we're only gonna do a project charter one then

[4:58:19] Trustee Patrick: number one we're not done yet okay i

[4:58:21] Voice 6: don't have a lot but did you

[4:58:23] Trustee Patrick: have a question about the draft

[4:58:25] Trustee Patrick: project charter that's in the like page 37

[4:58:27] Trustee Patrick: no that looks pretty

[4:58:29] Voice 6: good other than uh yes i see

[4:58:33] Voice 6: a down way down there way down there um a development approval information by the way

[4:58:38] Voice 6: and yay you can do a happy dance way down there because we that comes up every time we have a

[4:58:44] Voice 6: development come before us even right now today we don't have the dai by law too bad we'll just

[4:58:50] Voice 6: have to keep asking questions so yeah i'm very glad to see that in there i don't want to lose

[4:58:55] Voice 6: it okay so but no amendments

[4:58:56] Trustee Patrick: or changes no all right so if you could read that motion one more

[4:59:00] Trustee Patrick: time lisa we'll deal with the purchase chart the

[4:59:03] Voice 34: gabriel island local test committee endorsed the

[4:59:05] Voice 34: updated project charter as presented in the number 20 and 22 staff

[4:59:09] Voice 34: staff

[4:59:10] Voice 31: trustee

[4:59:14] Trustee Patrick: elliott will move a second seconded by trustee yates any discussion

[4:59:18] Trustee Patrick: all the vote all those in favor that carries so now we're going to consider motion number one

[4:59:25] Trustee Patrick: which is related to the subdivision um how do you like to proceed there well

[4:59:44] Voice 6: i i think we both just

[4:59:45] Voice 6: talked about how we like this recommended option if it comes to us as a draft then

[4:59:51] Voice 6: when we get the water budget information we may need to adjust it does that sound okay

[5:00:00] Trustee Elliott: i mean and staff can provide other options if they time allows um i think that's so motion one

[5:00:09] Voice 6: okay yes because it says draft and so we know we can add

[5:00:16] Voice 11: to it okay so you're still thinking

[5:00:22] Trustee Elliott: well there's there's there's all in the in the alternatives there's i'm actually trying to

[5:00:32] Trustee Elliott: understand that the alternatives are more restrictive or less there's an alternative

[5:00:36] Trustee Elliott: of supporting only the less yeah the alternatives are less so only part of the area subdivisions

[5:00:45] Trustee Elliott: some

[5:00:46] Voice 13: are less and some are more sorry it's the

[5:00:48] Voice 6: first four left

[5:00:49] Voice 13: they're

[5:00:50] Voice 6: less and then the

[5:00:51] Voice 6: potential the last ones

[5:00:52] Voice 13: more are

[5:00:53] Voice 6: about the last ones right yeah

[5:00:58] Voice 12: okay yeah

[5:01:01] Trustee Elliott: got you so the last one

[5:01:04] Trustee Elliott: is yeah

[5:01:08] Voice 13: and then i mean i would add to that you know as we've just discussed uh um one that that

[5:01:14] Voice 13: directly refers to the the water uh potential and this is what i'm hearing and this is what

[5:01:22] Voice 13: what will be you know i'll

[5:01:25] Trustee Elliott: just read it out so that we're clear so the recommended option is

[5:01:28] Trustee Elliott: limiting subdivision potential for applications that deliver clear community benefits such as

[5:01:32] Trustee Elliott: affordable housing land conservation or first nations interests although the subdivision would

[5:01:37] Trustee Elliott: require a bylaw amendment for example of rezoning this would ensure that future growth shares

[5:01:43] Trustee Elliott: community reflects shared community values this approach prioritizes collective benefit over

[5:01:48] Trustee Elliott: individual lot creation and encourages housing diversity through housing options such as

[5:01:54] Trustee Elliott: secondary suites cooperative models and density bonusing rather than loan fragmentation this is

[5:02:00] Trustee Elliott: the approach staff proposed to be reflected in draft bylaws as a foundational element to the ocp

[5:02:04] Trustee Elliott: unless otherwise directed by the ltc so what i'm still puzzling over is limiting

[5:02:14] Trustee Elliott: this direction is to limit subdivision potential except in certain cases but how does it encourage

[5:02:22] Trustee Elliott: housing diversity through housing options such as secondary suite so so

[5:02:27] Voice 13: you could you could be

[5:02:28] Voice 13: be seeing it as a movement of density potential so removing density potential from subdivision

[5:02:38] Voice 13: and then um and then moving it into other options and so in a way i kind of mixed those two ideas

[5:02:47] Voice 13: together which which um maybe creates that little bit of confusion yeah

[5:02:52] Trustee Elliott: so and again a policy is not

[5:02:57] Trustee Elliott: not regulation it's here's the intent and then how the regulation is still like a year or two

[5:03:05] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[5:03:06] Voice 13: so that would be the thing it would inform the land use bylaw uh we you'd have to i mean it

[5:03:13] Voice 13: there's this is why you do ocps and land use bylaws together because if you're making any

[5:03:18] Voice 13: substantial changes it it it substantially changes what what's in the land use bylaw so

[5:03:24] Voice 13: So they're going to have to be, the guidance bylaw is going to have to move quite swiftly

[5:03:29] Voice 13: so that it can actually reflect what will be reflected in the OCP.

[5:03:38] Trustee Elliott: I just want to note, we had a question from letter writer, I guess, Longer Eyes,

[5:03:46] Trustee Elliott: about potential implications of the CAO's report recommending that the Islands Trust

[5:03:51] Trustee Elliott: not take on any new projects for a period of time and the question was whether um the creation of

[5:03:59] Trustee Elliott: dpas and the land use bylaw will be a new project and so i asked and the answer was no because they

[5:04:10] Trustee Elliott: are typically considered one project the regulatory bylaw follows the ocp so we got ours in the nick

[5:04:18] Trustee Elliott: of time not that that recommendation is for sure going to be adopted

[5:04:22] Trustee Patrick: but well um yeah i mean i feel

[5:04:26] Trustee Patrick: i mean i think that this is a good direction ocps and land use bylaws should not be out of sync

[5:04:30] Trustee Patrick: otherwise you end up with salt spring with a 2008 ocp and a 1999 land use bylaw really yes so that's

[5:04:39] Trustee Patrick: why the two go together yeah it's actually oh that's terrible you are implementing policy yeah

[5:04:45] Trustee Patrick: Yeah. So can you

[5:04:46] Trustee Elliott: give that information back to the mutual planning manager and back to the director that this second phase needs to be actually finished?

[5:04:55] Voice 16: Yeah,

[5:04:55] Voice 13: well, I mean, yeah, the land use bylaw, sorry, I screwed the chair, implements the policies.

[5:05:05] Voice 13: And so if we're going to do this right, then they have to go.

[5:05:10] Voice 13: Well,

[5:05:11] Trustee Patrick: it goes even further because a policy interprets through time. We were talking about that earlier. And by still having a draft policy not finalized yet, and your draft regulations together, you're being very clear with your interpretation of the policy for today.

[5:05:27] Trustee Patrick: So it takes away how this policy suddenly is ambiguous to, no, this is what we're saying it looks like today.

[5:05:35] Trustee Patrick: So I think it really helps the community through the conversation and makes just good planning.

[5:05:45] Trustee Patrick: Okay. I think I'm ready to move the recommended motion then.

[5:05:48] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[5:05:52] Trustee Elliott: Page 131.

[5:05:53] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request that staff include policies in the draft OCP related to subdivision as recommended in the November 20, 2025 staff report and any other options there.

[5:06:12] Voice 6: We'll just leave it there.

[5:06:14] Voice 6: No?

[5:06:14] Voice 6: Because we know it's a draft.

[5:06:16] Voice 6: Okay.

[5:06:17] Voice 6: You had conversations.

[5:06:20] Trustee Patrick: Staff report period.

[5:06:21] Trustee Patrick: We're leaving it at that mark.

[5:06:22] Trustee Patrick: Second that.

[5:06:22] Trustee Patrick: Second that.

[5:06:23] Trustee Patrick: After the period.

[5:06:25] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[5:06:27] Trustee Patrick: All the vote then.

[5:06:28] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[5:06:29] Trustee Patrick: That carries.

[5:06:30] Trustee Patrick: So now we're moving on to the next item that you wanted to discuss, which is...

[5:06:36] Trustee Patrick: So that's rezoning for multiple units.

[5:06:38] Voice 13: Yeah.

[5:06:39] Voice 13: So I listened to parts of the previous LCC meeting after the fact.

[5:06:52] Voice 13: And, and so I think there's two issues here, or there's two options. I mean, I think the issue, right, the issue is that is that there is an interest for to explore how to allow these sort of multiple units in areas where they currently exist, whether one not actually permitted by through LTC policy,

[5:07:19] Voice 13: And two, that they don't conform with building, they may not be conforming with building permit requirements.

[5:07:31] Voice 13: So those are kind of two separate things.

[5:07:33] Voice 13: So the easier one to address, I think, from the LTC's perspective that can be addressed through the OCP

[5:07:41] Voice 13: and that we've had there has been conversation in the community about is um is supporting um

[5:07:48] Voice 13: options that allow for the rezoning of um of land that um that is more flexible than than it

[5:08:00] Voice 13: current uh for multiple units that's more flexible than currently within the um the ocp so this is

[5:08:07] Voice 13: where we're talking about sort of these like multiple clustered units the small unit cluster

[5:08:11] Voice 13: housing which is very specific to um small mobile units um or or manufactured homes um flexible

[5:08:22] Voice 13: housing which we've talked about which is um multiple dwellings within a maximum floria for

[5:08:27] Voice 13: all of these things maximum floria could also be established um and one of the things that i've

[5:08:32] Voice 13: introduced here is um this idea of a density bonus um and that doesn't necessarily um that doesn't

[5:08:41] Voice 13: necessarily address the sort of multiple units scenario very many but it it may provide an

[5:08:48] Voice 13: opportunity for one or more potentially um in exchange for um covenant on land affordable

[5:08:56] Voice 13: housing and or donation to first nations so that and that's an idea that needs to be kind

[5:09:01] Voice 13: of fleshed out a little bit more um we're working through that idea for for denman right now um so

[5:09:07] Voice 13: it's there just so that you're aware it's like something that staff are kind of looking at

[5:09:10] Voice 13: a bit but it's not it's not totally flushed out at this this point in time so that there's that

[5:09:15] Voice 13: there's the land use per part of things and that's that's the part that could can be you know i think

[5:09:21] Voice 13: think comfortably addressed um through ocp and land use bylaw um the one that is i guess less

[5:09:31] Voice 13: comfortably addressed is the um what do you do about providing legal protection for um some of

[5:09:40] Voice 13: these existing um non-conforming um buildings um and that's tricky and because they're you know

[5:09:51] Voice 13: you you can the islands trust ltc bylaws are related to location size and such so it's the

[5:10:07] Voice 13: sighting um but if you so from a sighting perspective if they're legal through the

[5:10:15] Voice 13: through the bylaws they are essentially that's where we sort of sign off and then we hand it

[5:10:20] Voice 13: over to the regional district. If you take on the responsibility of allowing something that

[5:10:29] Voice 13: wouldn't be, for example, building code wouldn't apply, like Maine had for quite some time with

[5:10:38] Voice 13: RVs, you're sort of taking on that responsibility and oversight yourself as the LTC. In that case

[5:10:48] Voice 13: with RVs, there was sort of this understanding, well, if they've been approved through Canadian

[5:10:54] Voice 13: Standards Association, there's some type of oversight, but those units are not actually meant

[5:11:00] Voice 13: for full-time use. So in that case, the main LTC has recognized that at this point in time,

[5:11:10] Voice 13: and there are bylaws moving forward right now that are going to only allow them through TEP.

[5:11:16] Voice 13: So TUP gives you a certain amount of oversight because you can identify where they are, you provide potentially sort of a bit of a pathway to compliance in a sense, but you're taking on this responsibility of oversight of a dwelling that may not be safe.

[5:11:48] Voice 13: And that's, you know, that's why we have building code. So I, you know, I'm, it's a really tricky one. And that's why I don't necessarily think that I don't feel I don't feel confident in in that route. But certainly we can we can have staff have some more conversation about it, which is why I've sort of put that option out for you.

[5:12:15] Voice 6: so i had a couple of questions uh planner chadwick just quick ones on page 134

[5:12:21] Voice 6: um under the heading flexible housing i think there might be a typo it says

[5:12:28] Voice 6: multiple additional dwelling units within a maximum combined floor area i think it's supposed

[5:12:34] Voice 6: to be with a maximum combined floor area oh yeah yeah that works okay okay good and then um

[5:12:45] Voice 6: On page 133, citing of dwellings that meet Canadian CSA certification as an alternative means, which you just talked about, who expects that?

[5:12:58] Voice 6: Like, who is in charge of making sure that they do meet certain standards?

[5:13:05] Voice 6: standards uh

[5:13:07] Voice 13: yeah so the way that i understand it is that um you know when uh all the uh you know

[5:13:14] Voice 13: like rvs etc they have to meet a certain standard in order to be sold so they have to meet that

[5:13:20] Voice 13: standard in order to be um yeah and that's how so it's the canadian standard association that

[5:13:27] Voice 13: would oversee that certification um i think toby you know a lot about this because you've dug into

[5:13:32] Voice 13: to it uh on the tiny home side

[5:13:34] Voice 8: okay

[5:13:36] Voice 6: and then my other question relates directly to that um your

[5:13:39] Voice 6: recommendation number three says um request staff explore with the rdn and exploring is good the use

[5:13:46] Voice 6: of tups for non-conforming dwellings that have applied for a building permit um i'm just wondering

[5:13:54] Voice 6: why would they need a temporary use permit if they can just renew their building permit like

[5:13:59] Voice 6: Like if they've actually applied for a building permit and they're not just there without any kind of a permit, you can renew your building permit.

[5:14:08] Voice 13: Yeah, I was thinking about those that are there without a building permit, like that currently exist without a building permit.

[5:14:14] Voice 13: Like, for example, if there's a non-conforming building and they haven't applied for a building permit because they know they're not conforming, but they're willing to take the steps towards becoming conforming, then, you know, it's a level of...

[5:14:27] Voice 13: okay removes

[5:14:29] Voice 6: that total uncertainty yeah right okay they've applied for one okay yeah okay

[5:14:34] Voice 6: yeah got it i think that was all my questions you

[5:14:39] Trustee Elliott: know i'm just looking back at the um

[5:14:43] Trustee Elliott: 2021 gay rural housing matters report because i remember there was pretty strong support for um

[5:14:51] Trustee Elliott: using TUPs at the time for something other than vacation rentals.

[5:14:56] Trustee Elliott: I think this was, I can't find the exact stats,

[5:15:05] Trustee Elliott: but 92% supported flexible residential zoning

[5:15:10] Trustee Elliott: if there was sufficient water and sewage disposal.

[5:15:14] Trustee Elliott: That was the main criteria.

[5:15:17] Trustee Elliott: Right, yeah.

[5:15:18] Voice 13: I can give an example of this too.

[5:15:20] Voice 13: in the case of where Maine is going with their bylaws is to allow TUPs for RVs when there's a

[5:15:32] Voice 13: building permit for an actual dwelling and that actually I think that exists in some other

[5:15:37] Voice 13: that exists here

[5:15:39] Trustee Elliott: it's on

[5:15:40] Trustee Elliott: its TUP you can have

[5:15:41] Voice 13: just an IP

[5:15:42] Trustee Elliott: for two years if you're if you have

[5:15:45] Trustee Elliott: an active building permit in so there isn't a need for a tup um but no the tup was exploring

[5:15:54] Trustee Elliott: as a temporary like a truly temporary use if a homeowner needs a another suite for a you know

[5:16:03] Trustee Elliott: a caretaker and they don't have room in their home um so what standard does that need to be

[5:16:11] Trustee Elliott: built to if it's not a building permitted secondary suite um sort of creating that half step of

[5:16:21] Trustee Elliott: either a CSA like an RV or know about the manufactured home um use um but that temporary

[5:16:31] Trustee Elliott: use permit can be used to can it be used to have flexible zoning like a temporary increase in the

[5:16:40] Trustee Elliott: the density, which is time-limited.

[5:16:49] Voice 13: This is something that exists on Denman and has been a real problem for Denman

[5:16:55] Voice 13: because, well, I mean, part of the reason is that they don't allow accessory

[5:17:02] Voice 13: dwelling units, except with a TEP.

[5:17:05] Voice 13: So that has led to people just building them without going through the process.

[5:17:09] Voice 13: but also i mean demand also doesn't require a building

[5:17:13] Voice 13: permit at all but so it's it's led to

[5:17:18] Voice 13: uh you know people potentially like like skirting the the process a bit um the other thing is

[5:17:23] Voice 13: you end up you end up with a dwelling um and you you know that is it could be

[5:17:33] Voice 13: like a tup for something that potentially permanent is also a challenge like you know

[5:17:39] Voice 13: know if the effort has gone into uh bringing in or or building something uh for a particular

[5:17:47] Voice 13: need and it's hooked up to sewage and it's hooked up to water um you know like like honestly where

[5:17:55] Voice 13: like how is that temporary i think that's the the challenge with the the use of a temporary

[5:18:00] Voice 13: use permit for for half for housing unless it is for in the case where there is a a house being

[5:18:07] Voice 13: being built and that it it are the residents of the that temporary space that are are essentially

[5:18:15] Voice 13: going to be moving into a permanent dwelling

[5:18:20] Trustee Patrick: well it is i mean it's um i think the work we're doing

[5:18:27] Trustee Patrick: on salt spring was when we started down that path and then we stopped working for the tups

[5:18:31] Trustee Patrick: so we want to create permanent housing permanent safe housing and

[5:18:39] Trustee Patrick: And would someone who wants to put an RV in their yard

[5:18:43] Trustee Patrick: going to apply for a TUP anyway?

[5:18:45] Trustee Patrick: So that was our challenge,

[5:18:46] Trustee Patrick: was for recreating a bylaw enforcement challenge.

[5:18:50] Voice 6: And then there's all the paperwork of keeping track of the TUPs

[5:18:53] Voice 6: and renewing them and checking them out and like,

[5:18:56] Voice 6: oh, yeah, that's no good.

[5:19:00] Voice 6: Like that's

[5:19:00] Trustee Patrick: just more work than it's done.

[5:19:02] Trustee Patrick: So we're going down some rabbit holes here.

[5:19:04] Trustee Patrick: But just what way do you want to go?

[5:19:09] Trustee Elliott: I think back up a bit to away from building regulations to what kind of zoning are we

[5:19:18] Trustee Elliott: talking about are we talking flex zoning where under certain conditions a landowner can add

[5:19:25] Trustee Elliott: you know forget what it's built of extra density if certain conditions are met so

[5:19:33] Trustee Elliott: So we were talking about this eco-density, eco-density bonus, which I honestly think

[5:19:43] Trustee Elliott: is, unless there's enough density added to make it feasible, going through the process

[5:19:49] Trustee Elliott: of covenanting a piece of land or through another legal mechanism to protect some aspect

[5:19:55] Trustee Elliott: of the land so that you can have that increase in density, it's for the truly philanthropic

[5:20:02] Trustee Elliott: or, I don't know, a co-op that's really going to work together

[5:20:08] Trustee Elliott: for 10 years to make that happen.

[5:20:09] Trustee Elliott: So it's a very small chance that that is going to be actualized.

[5:20:15] Trustee Elliott: The flexible housing zone on Main Island has not resulted

[5:20:19] Trustee Elliott: to the by-molage and any extra densities.

[5:20:23] Trustee Elliott: And it's been in place for two years, has it, Marissa?

[5:20:27] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[5:20:27] Trustee Elliott: so you can put the flex housing zones in there but it's the conditions are hard to meet

[5:20:40] Trustee Elliott: um because the cost of building is high and

[5:20:43] Trustee Patrick: you're limited by a net map so you're already

[5:20:45] Trustee Patrick: limiting who gets to

[5:20:47] Trustee Patrick: do it and then it's limiting within there so yeah so

[5:20:50] Trustee Elliott: it's a bit abstract

[5:20:52] Trustee Elliott: because I'm much more inclined to create a rezoning process that is easier for people to go through

[5:21:03] Trustee Elliott: if they have the will to create a community of small clustered homes I just don't know how

[5:21:12] Trustee Elliott: to

[5:21:13] Voice 6: facilitate that through zoning do you want to go with the second recommendation which basically

[5:21:23] Voice 25: I think in terms of the OCP policy, those aren't necessarily mutually exclusive ideas where we could have policy around cluster housing and policy around flexible housing so that if there

[5:21:40] Voice 25: were rezoning applications, that there would be some policy there to guide, you know, where, you know, where and where.

[5:21:48] Voice 25: and what um right form

[5:21:50] Voice 25: those proposals um could be supported thank

[5:21:54] Trustee Elliott: you for reminding me

[5:21:55] Trustee Elliott: creating policy is such you just created the conditions and it exists and then it can be

[5:22:02] Trustee Elliott: applied through that rezoning to a piece of land when the criteria is met

[5:22:07] Voice 6: okay so the second one

[5:22:09] Voice 6: we could probably approve because it's satisfying yeah just little stuff okay well i'll move this

[5:22:17] Voice 6: okay go ahead i moved that the gabriel island local trust committee request staff to include

[5:22:23] Voice 6: policies in the draft ocp related to options for rezoning from multiple units as recommended in the

[5:22:31] Voice 6: november 20th 2025 staff report thank you very much i'm so glad i can't i don't know second

[5:22:38] Trustee Patrick: going to be any discussion all

[5:22:41] Voice 11: the

[5:22:42] Trustee Patrick: vote all those in favor no there is problems

[5:22:47] Trustee Patrick: so now what about those temporary temporary use permits where's your thoughts on that

[5:22:52] Trustee Patrick: is that something you want to continue to explore this is explore or are

[5:22:59] Voice 6: you not interested

[5:23:00] Voice 6: and these are just for dwellings non-conforming that have applied for a building permit

[5:23:07] Voice 6: I

[5:23:08] Voice 10: mean, so

[5:23:12] Voice 6: it can't be that onerous on staff to track these TUPs, because how many of them would there be?

[5:23:18] Voice 6: I think about the staff work involved, like, oh my god, all these temporary use permits.

[5:23:23] Voice 6: I would like to

[5:23:24] Trustee Elliott: actually, the RDN staff has been very creative, actually, and open to innovation.

[5:23:32] Trustee Elliott: And I think in the conversation, they may land on some solutions.

[5:23:36] Trustee Elliott: I would like to just restrict it, or not restrict it to that have applied for a building permit

[5:23:42] Trustee Elliott: just for non-conforming dwellings and let staff in the RDN, because they know the limits

[5:23:47] Trustee Elliott: of the building code, and let them just have the conversation.

[5:23:54] Voice 9: Right.

[5:23:55] Voice 9: I

[5:23:55] Trustee Elliott: would be supportive of that.

[5:23:58] Trustee Elliott: And you, September?

[5:23:59] Trustee Elliott: Because that have applied for a building permit is a bit restrictive.

[5:24:03] Trustee Elliott: like what if there is a step of they're in the process of applying for a building permit

[5:24:08] Trustee Elliott: but whatever conditions at this moment feasible

[5:24:12] Trustee Patrick: for a year if they're exploring the conversation

[5:24:14] Trustee Patrick: of regional district and i know they could come back and say that's the only condition they would

[5:24:18] Trustee Patrick: allow so like whether you have it in that now or not the conversation will come up they'll put the

[5:24:24] Trustee Patrick: restrictions on that

[5:24:25] Trustee Patrick: okay so did you want

[5:24:27] Trustee Patrick: to proceed that

[5:24:28] Trustee Elliott: way yeah go ahead make your motion

[5:24:30] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff explore with the Regional District of Nanaimo

[5:24:36] Trustee Elliott: the use of temporary use permits for non-conforming dwellings period

[5:24:41] Trustee Elliott: All right

[5:24:43] Trustee Patrick: Sir second second by 58 any discussion?

[5:24:48] Trustee Patrick: I'll vote then all those in favor that carries

[5:24:53] Trustee Elliott: So before we move to the last one, can we deal with the AOA?

[5:24:58] Trustee Elliott: New regulation

[5:24:59] Trustee Elliott: that's a new resolution

[5:25:04] Voice 13: uh yeah so the intention of that and this one lisa did have ahead of time

[5:25:10] Voice 13: um the intention of this is uh that so right now there's twenty five thousand dollars in the

[5:25:17] Voice 13: upcoming fiscal um budget proposal to support um an aoa um now that's that is that is a that would

[5:25:28] Voice 13: not that would be a very high level um not a very deep like that's not enough for um

[5:25:35] Voice 13: like a really thorough um exploration of um of archaeological um potential um so

[5:25:46] Voice 13: there is an opportunity there there are a number of funding sources available out there um and

[5:25:53] Voice 13: And Sinemuk, for Indigenous-led projects, Sinemuk is very, they have a lot of work on their plate.

[5:26:04] Voice 13: They have a small staff.

[5:26:07] Voice 13: And so there's an opportunity for Islands Trust staff to work with them to explore what options might be available

[5:26:20] Voice 13: and potentially um like apply for some of these opportunities uh to do a much more expansive

[5:26:27] Voice 13: archaeological overview assessment so this is this is just uh this recommendation is just to allocate

[5:26:36] Voice 13: that time um for staff to work with cinemuk to explore what the options might be at this point

[5:26:42] Voice 13: in time

[5:26:43] Trustee Elliott: okay so that could include looking for grant funding exactly

[5:26:46] Voice 13: that's exactly what it

[5:26:48] Voice 13: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Okay,

[5:26:48] Trustee Elliott: yes, I think, yeah, this is a much bigger project. You're right, 25,000 will be enough, but

[5:26:55] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Masyn Moyer- I think it's important because we do need real information.

[5:27:03] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Masyn Moyer- I'll be to protect that create your natural lands together.

[5:27:09] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Masyn Moyer- First

[5:27:11] Voice 11: step, I'd be very supportive of that.

[5:27:13] Voice 11: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Do you suddenly so dropped motion.

[5:27:17] Voice 12: HAB

[5:27:18] Voice 11: -Masyn Moyer- Motion.

[5:27:19] Trustee Elliott: I've got one.

[5:27:21] Voice 11: Can you both have it?

[5:27:23] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee requests Islands Trust staff to work with the Namak First Nation staff to explore and apply for additional funding for an archaeological overview assessment AOA for the Gabriela Local Trust area.

[5:27:41] Trustee Elliott: I'll second that.

[5:27:42] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Yates. Any discussion?

[5:27:46] Trustee Patrick: All in vote. All those in favor?

[5:27:48] Trustee Patrick: That carries.

[5:27:49] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[5:27:50] Voice 13: And I'll just add on that, that Cinemax staff has indicated that they often get requests

[5:27:57] Voice 13: from local governments for them to lead a funding proposal, and in this case, because

[5:28:04] Voice 13: of the work that we're doing together, they're actually really quite interested in working

[5:28:10] Voice 13: with us on it.

[5:28:11] Trustee Elliott: That's great.

[5:28:13] Trustee Elliott: Well, thank you to the staff, you've been excellent at approaching them in a good way

[5:28:18] Trustee Elliott: and respecting their lines of capacity and um yeah it's clearly resulting in good relationships so

[5:28:26] Trustee Elliott: thank you for that all right so now the what we heard report yeah

[5:28:34] Voice 13: any questions on that i believe

[5:28:35] Voice 13: uh yeah again my apologies um i meant to attach it to the uh report at least give you a link to

[5:28:43] Voice 13: the website it is on the website the website has been updated with the most recent um and uh

[5:28:50] Voice 13: i see you're looking at it so thank you to the planner bow

[5:28:53] Voice 13: for um for providing you with copies

[5:28:57] Voice 13: um and yeah so we just we popped in the all of the stats related to housing which was the

[5:29:03] Voice 13: the request

[5:29:04] Voice 15: yeah that was important thank you yeah

[5:29:10] Trustee Elliott: okay so dpas now uh the last one

[5:29:16] Trustee Elliott: yes sorry

[5:29:19] Voice 13: through the chair oh carry on um i um yeah so this was you know dpas has been a

[5:29:28] Voice 13: discussion for a long time uh throughout this um process and um and i uh it's not and i think

[5:29:37] Voice 13: i've mentioned before um we're not in a position to be able to do um dpa new dpa mapping um but

[5:29:46] Voice 13: we have done we've done a review of dpas uh in the islands trust area um and and there is an

[5:29:55] Voice 13: an opportunity to to share with you um sort of an evaluation of

[5:30:00] Voice 13: of priorities. And within the OCP review, one of the things that we're looking at including

[5:30:07] Voice 13: is an implementation plan, which would include a priority indication of priority DPAs.

[5:30:15] Voice 13: As you know, it takes some time to do a DPA. There's the mapping that needs to be done and

[5:30:24] Voice 13: and then the development of the guidelines.

[5:30:25] Voice 13: We have worked on some model DPAs for the Islands Trust.

[5:30:30] Voice 13: So regional planning manager, Kajima,

[5:30:35] Voice 13: and a now retired planner with Islands Trust,

[5:30:41] Voice 13: Phil Testamal, they spent quite some time

[5:30:44] Voice 13: looking at what currently exists

[5:30:45] Voice 13: and developing some models.

[5:30:49] Voice 13: And so I wanted to share with you

[5:30:53] Voice 13: that uh the work that's been done the ones that have models um and i identify from a staff

[5:31:01] Voice 13: perspective what would be priority based on where we have information where we have models and what

[5:31:10] Voice 13: the um community has identified as priority because uh this was a question in the survey so

[5:31:17] Voice 13: So this was an opportunity to sort of daylight that input from the community.

[5:31:26] Voice 13: So what you've ended up with there is the table one, DPA options with a staff ranking.

[5:31:34] Voice 13: It's been brought up several times through conversations on DPAs that there's a group on Gabriela that's looking at DPAs.

[5:31:47] Voice 13: And so I thought, you know, this could be an opportunity while we're working through the draft to have some community input so that when we come to the implementation actions, we can be identifying recommendations on priority DPAs based on sort of more focused community input.

[5:32:13] Voice 13: input. So that's why I've included that recommendation. Yeah, open to questions.

[5:32:22] Voice 6: Thank you for that, Planner Chandler. I do recommend that we include the DPA working

[5:32:27] Voice 6: group, but they were part of a larger focus group that was working on environmental issues

[5:32:33] Voice 6: when we had the focus group thing. So I think all of the focus group members should also

[5:32:38] Voice 6: be included but I forget who they are and our APC but we have we're gonna have

[5:32:45] Voice 6: a brand new APC pretty soon but yeah it'd be good to forward it to the APC as

[5:32:50] Voice 6: well but for sure the DPA working group they're so like they're so dedicated to

[5:32:55] Voice 6: that topic I

[5:32:57] Voice 9: do have caution

[5:32:59] Trustee Elliott: about I understand you understand they're

[5:33:03] Trustee Elliott: dedicated but I don't know the work that they're doing and nothing has come to

[5:33:07] Trustee Elliott: the ltc for us to qualify vets um do any of that so i'm a little uncomfortable with not having a

[5:33:16] Trustee Elliott: structured group that has minutes taken and those are public documents sort of articulating what

[5:33:23] Trustee Elliott: they think the priorities are um but i recognize time is of the essence um we're not we're not

[5:33:31] Trustee Elliott: asking them to create criteria for DPAs it's a prioritization exercise but I

[5:33:39] Trustee Elliott: would like to refer this to the APC too and it could be good learning for them

[5:33:42] Trustee Elliott: and the

[5:33:43] Voice 6: environmental focus group but I forget their names but I know we have

[5:33:47] Voice 6: them on record yeah

[5:33:48] Trustee Patrick: I did want to note the fire resilience it says no they just

[5:33:54] Trustee Patrick: salt spring when the regional district did had to update the maps and the maps

[5:34:01] Trustee Patrick: they were obligated that they only referred to public land,

[5:34:05] Trustee Patrick: but when they hired their consultants to do the work,

[5:34:08] Trustee Patrick: you can't just map public land.

[5:34:10] Trustee Patrick: So they actually had the data.

[5:34:11] Trustee Patrick: We bought the data from them

[5:34:13] Trustee Patrick: and had the maps created on Salt Spring.

[5:34:15] Trustee Patrick: So there was an expense, but the data was there.

[5:34:18] Trustee Patrick: So I'm just bringing that to your attention

[5:34:20] Trustee Patrick: for the fire resilience

[5:34:23] Trustee Patrick: that the regional district in Nanaimo

[5:34:25] Trustee Patrick: for their mapping they did the same thing

[5:34:28] Trustee Patrick: they did on Salt Spring, that data exists.

[5:34:30] Trustee Patrick: exists it just has to be obtained

[5:34:32] Trustee Patrick: from the source yeah yes

[5:34:36] Trustee Elliott: I think well wildfires that should be a

[5:34:39] Trustee Elliott: higher priority than it's listed but it's just fine with you

[5:34:43] Trustee Patrick: it was it's one of the salt spring

[5:34:47] Trustee Patrick: I mean people are wanting that it's the one of the biggest concerns and from a watershed safety

[5:34:54] Trustee Patrick: perspective now. You burned down your watershed. That's not good.

[5:35:01] Voice 10: So

[5:35:07] Voice 6: are we okay with that? But we add the environmental focus group members and we

[5:35:13] Voice 6: add the Advisory Planning Commission members to number four. I move that

[5:35:22] Voice 6: Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff forward the model

[5:35:26] Voice 6: Model Development Permit Area, DPA Guidelines, and DPA Prioritization List to the Gabriola DPA Working Group,

[5:35:37] Voice 6: the Focus Group on the Environment, and the Advisory Planning Commission.

[5:35:47] Voice 12: For their input,

[5:35:53] Voice 13: I think to specify, yeah, it would be for their input on DPA Prioritization,

[5:35:57] Voice 13: because that's really what we want yeah uh

[5:36:01] Voice 6: or how about just for their for their input i mean

[5:36:04] Voice 6: hopefully they'll tell us well if you're specifically asking for feedback on the

[5:36:11] Trustee Patrick: prioritization for

[5:36:12] Voice 6: their input on development permit area prioritization or

[5:36:17] Voice 13: guidelines to

[5:36:18] Voice 13: guidelines and prioritization i think just prioritization the guidelines would be more

[5:36:23] Voice 13: as information so that they can see that there are guidelines yeah yeah yeah

[5:36:27] Voice 13: gotcha okay

[5:36:28] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[5:36:29] Trustee Patrick: Lisa, does that make sense?

[5:36:31] Trustee Patrick: Okay, you're making that motion Trustee Yates.

[5:36:34] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[5:36:35] Trustee Patrick: Second by Trustee Elliot.

[5:36:38] Trustee Patrick: Is there any discussion?

[5:36:40] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote.

[5:36:42] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[5:36:43] Trustee Patrick: That carries.

[5:36:48] Trustee Patrick: What's next?

[5:36:52] Voice 13: That's it.

[5:36:53] Voice 13: Unless there's more, unless you have more.

[5:36:56] Voice 6: No, that's really helpful.

[5:36:58] Voice 6: Thank you so much, Planner Chadwick.

[5:37:00] Voice 6: Good report.

[5:37:01] Voice 6: I'm sorry I

[5:37:02] Voice 13: couldn't be there I'm just I'm just I'm getting over a cold and I didn't want to

[5:37:06] Voice 13: spread anything to anybody over there so we were happy

[5:37:09] Trustee Patrick: you kept it to yourself

[5:37:10] Trustee Patrick: all right then we're going to keep on moving it's getting late

[5:37:17] Trustee Patrick: record here yeah um so the correspondence always ask you to look for the correspondence

[5:37:23] Trustee Patrick: on the correspondence page so staff reports here we have a public notification bylaw request

[5:37:30] Trustee Patrick: the decision on page 139. Now I know you guys have a weekly newspaper. We have an excellent

[5:37:40] Trustee Patrick: weekly newspaper. So on Salt Spring we took no action and that was if we want if you want to

[5:37:46] Trustee Patrick: continue to do bylaw notices as they are done on the island you just ignore this and keep going.

[5:37:51] Trustee Patrick: You do not have to. Okay. That was what we were informed on Salt Spring. Okay interesting. This

[5:37:58] Trustee Patrick: This is only if you want to change from what is the current.

[5:38:04] Trustee Elliott: Well, it's in two editions of a newspaper once each week for two consecutive weeks.

[5:38:09] Trustee Elliott: Is that still necessary?

[5:38:13] Trustee Patrick: It's based on whatever the local government act, which we follow.

[5:38:19] Voice 6: So the strange thing is we also, of course, we put it on our website and, you know, we

[5:38:24] Voice 6: put it in all the electronic and the facebook page for you know

[5:38:29] Voice 6: for the honest trust um so

[5:38:32] Voice 6: yeah i when i looked at this i thought principles of effective public notice reliable suitable

[5:38:39] Voice 6: accessible our weekly newspaper is all three of those yes yeah that's what we determined

[5:38:45] Trustee Patrick: that's all spring you want to

[5:38:46] Voice 6: change anything yeah so we just ignored it so

[5:38:49] Trustee Patrick: that the understanding

[5:38:50] Trustee Patrick: staff agrees that if we want to stay

[5:38:52] Trustee Patrick: in the status quo, we do take

[5:38:54] Trustee Patrick: no action. Is that correct?

[5:38:56] Voice 25: Yes.

[5:38:58] Voice 27: That's fine.

[5:38:59] Voice 27: We're

[5:38:59] Trustee Patrick: being consistent between the islands.

[5:39:03] Trustee Patrick: So that makes it easy.

[5:39:05] Trustee Patrick: Good. We'll carry on to the next item.

[5:39:07] Trustee Patrick: Item 15.2 is the

[5:39:09] Trustee Patrick: draft meeting schedule

[5:39:11] Trustee Patrick: for 26-27. It's on

[5:39:13] Trustee Patrick: page 144

[5:39:14] Trustee Patrick: from our meeting administrator.

[5:39:18] Trustee Elliott: Wonderful.

[5:39:19] Trustee Patrick: Any comments?

[5:39:20] Trustee Elliott: The Cape Verde Island Local Trust Committee

[5:39:21] Trustee Elliott: approved their april 2026 to march 2027 meeting schedule second

[5:39:27] Trustee Patrick: by trustee any discussion

[5:39:29] Trustee Elliott: thank you lisa it's

[5:39:32] Trustee Patrick: always so much fun this time of year all right all about all those in favor

[5:39:36] Trustee Patrick: that carries excellent no it goes from an empty schedule to an absolutely full one which is so

[5:39:44] Trustee Patrick: so much. Pleasant. RPM Gemma.

[5:39:50] Trustee Elliott: Thank you through the chair. Pardon me if I missed this. Was there

[5:39:54] Trustee Elliott: readings given to the public notification bylaw?

[5:39:57] Trustee Patrick: There was not. Okay.

[5:39:59] Voice 6: We want to go with our

[5:40:01] Voice 6: default local newspaper. Thank you. We avoided five motions. So questions, a follow-up action

[5:40:09] Voice 6: list

[5:40:10] Trustee Patrick: or no applications? I'm sorry. Yeah, we're on applications report. Are there any there?

[5:40:16] Trustee Patrick: No, I'll watch 150.

[5:40:17] Trustee Patrick: And on, very

[5:40:19] Trustee Elliott: quickly, on a 151-page apps application for Strand,

[5:40:27] Trustee Elliott: it just says issued from it and sent to applicant.

[5:40:30] Trustee Elliott: We haven't seen this?

[5:40:32] Trustee Elliott: Is this

[5:40:33] Trustee Elliott: just a non-discretionary?

[5:40:34] Voice 25: No, that's a mistake.

[5:40:37] Voice 25: That has definitely not happened.

[5:40:40] Voice 25: And it will come to the LTC.

[5:40:43] Voice 25: see and

[5:40:44] Voice 6: is it connected to those um adjacent properties in any way is

[5:40:47] Voice 25: it proposed it's a new

[5:40:50] Voice 6: works yes we

[5:40:52] Voice 15: haven't been done yet thank

[5:40:56] Trustee Patrick: you for signing up all right any other questions on

[5:40:58] Trustee Patrick: application reports the trustee and local expense reports here for you on page 156 questions there

[5:41:06] Trustee Patrick: why is it just received for information and then you have your adopted standing

[5:41:10] Trustee Patrick: standing in Resolutions there otherwise any updates you wish to do or we're at our work

[5:41:21] Trustee Patrick: program on page 166. I

[5:41:27] Trustee Patrick: think you guys work is pretty clear in the future projects parking lot

[5:41:33] Trustee Patrick: is the uh always there so that means the next meeting is not until January 22 26 that means

[5:41:42] Trustee Patrick: staff can work for a while and hopefully bring you lots of work there so we have a closed meeting to

[5:41:52] Trustee Patrick: go to i move

[5:41:55] Trustee Elliott: that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter

[5:41:57] Trustee Elliott: part 4 division 3 section 90 1 a i and j for the purpose of considering a personal information about

[5:42:06] Trustee Elliott: an identifiable individual who holds or is being considered for a position as an officer employee

[5:42:11] Trustee Elliott: employee or agent in the municipality or another position appointed by the municipality.

[5:42:16] Trustee Elliott: I, the receipt of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege, including communications

[5:42:21] Trustee Elliott: necessary for that purpose.

[5:42:23] Trustee Elliott: J, information that is prohibited or information that, if it were presented in a document,

[5:42:28] Trustee Elliott: would be prohibited from disclosure under Section 21 of the Treaty of Information Protection

[5:42:33] Trustee Elliott: and Privacy Act.

[5:42:35] Trustee Elliott: I was going to add another section, but I don't think we have time today, and that the

[5:42:39] Trustee Elliott: recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[5:42:41] Trustee Elliott: All right, is

[5:42:42] Trustee Patrick: there a second? Second by Trustee Yates. Any discussion? Vote. All those in favor? That carries.

[5:42:49] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, everyone, for coming

[5:42:50] Voice 34: today. That was a marathon.

[5:42:54] Trustee Patrick: And we're going to take a few moments to close.