Hornby Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, January 29, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Fast: Very good. Well, welcome, everybody. Good morning. This is the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee meeting, and my name is Sue Ellen Fast. I'm the chair of the Local Trust Committee, and I've got two screens, so if you see me looking across, it's because we're meeting remotely and I'm using all the technology I can.

[0:00:18] Trustee Fast: Anne. So I want to begin the meeting by introducing, by acknowledging that we're

[0:00:23] Trustee Fast: meeting across locations in the Salish Sea and the traditional territory of the Coast Salish people,

[0:00:30] Trustee Fast: and we're fortunate to be able to do that. I'm on Bowen Island, is where I'm elected,

[0:00:34] Trustee Fast: and this is the home office that I'm working out of. I'm chair of the committee, as I mentioned,

[0:00:40] Trustee Fast: and I'm joined today by, if you could wave, Hornby Island Trustees Alex Allen. There he is,

[0:00:47] Trustee Fast: and he's on the phone today as well as the digital webcam and also grant scott trustee scott you wave

[0:00:56] Trustee Fast: your hand i think everybody will recognize you okay and uh together we make up the three of us

[0:01:03] Trustee Fast: make up the local um trust committee hornby island local trust committee we're the elected people

[0:01:08] Trustee Fast: and so during the comment part and the public input parts if you could direct your comments to

[0:01:13] Trustee Fast: to us. We're the elected folks that are in this role. And joining us today, we may have

[0:01:22] Trustee Fast: Director Daniel Arbour, not sure if he's going to be able to make it. So if he comes in, he's the

[0:01:28] Trustee Fast: Comox Valley Regional District Director. We've also got with us, and when we get to the town

[0:01:34] Trustee Fast: hall portion of the agenda, if you'd like to speak, please raise your digital hand to speak

[0:01:40] Trustee Fast: to the local trust committee and that's along the bottom of your zoom screen you should see a raise

[0:01:46] Trustee Fast: hand or if you're on a phone you can press star 9 to raise your hand and star 6 to unmute if you've

[0:01:53] Trustee Fast: got that problem. Whatever technology we welcome you here today we hope it all goes okay because

[0:02:00] Trustee Fast: of COVID-19 of course we're all making do with technology rather than meeting in person so we

[0:02:06] Trustee Fast: We appreciate your understanding and bearing with us.

[0:02:10] Trustee Fast: And we're going to try and help, too, with any technical problems that come up in our meeting, which we've already had a couple, and because of broadband internet.

[0:02:19] Trustee Fast: And if you have problems during the meeting as a member of the public, you can email Will Cottingham.

[0:02:27] Trustee Fast: You can see her on the screen there.

[0:02:29] Trustee Fast: She's got her, if you raise your hand, there she is.

[0:02:32] Trustee Fast: North Info.

[0:02:34] Trustee Fast: Oh, no.

[0:02:35] Trustee Fast: W. Cottingham.

[0:02:36] Trustee Fast: tell us who how

[0:02:37] Voice 17: to reach you best will uh best would be w cottingham so w c o t t i n g h a m

[0:02:45] Voice 17: at islandstrust.bc.ca i see uh joan harris has her hand up and that sometimes means technical

[0:02:54] Voice 17: difficulties so joan if you'd like to email me at that address if it's a technical issue i will

[0:03:01] Voice 17: I'll do my best to help.

[0:03:03] Trustee Fast: I see 15 people in the attendees. I'll just finish the introduction and

[0:03:07] Trustee Fast: then I'll check in about that hand that's raised. So other staff members who are joining us today,

[0:03:16] Trustee Fast: this is the professional expertise side of the equation. Not elected, but they're the people

[0:03:22] Trustee Fast: with the expertise. So we've got with us Regional Planning Manager Heather Cowher. Heather, thank

[0:03:30] Trustee Fast: thank you. She's the head of the planners and organizes the work. And then we've got with us

[0:03:35] Trustee Fast: Vicki Bachman. Vicki is our minute taker, a professional recorder, to make sure that all

[0:03:42] Trustee Fast: of this is captured, all of our discussions and decisions and public comments and in the public

[0:03:48] Trustee Fast: record. So for total transparency, thank you, Vicki. And so if you hear me repeating things,

[0:03:53] Trustee Fast: it's to make sure Vicki has had a chance to grab it. We've got planner Courtney Simpson with us

[0:03:58] Trustee Fast: today. Thank you. Hi, Courtney. And so this will be the staff people who are coming to us from

[0:04:07] Trustee Fast: different homes and offices as well. So this is a workplace for them, this digital meeting that

[0:04:14] Trustee Fast: we're in. And so I'd please encourage everybody to keep a safe and civil workplace. I know there's

[0:04:22] Trustee Fast: passionate ideas about land and about the island and our sense of home and I understand those

[0:04:30] Trustee Fast: passions but if you can if we can be hard on the issues but not hard on each other that would be

[0:04:38] Trustee Fast: perfect and this way we can keep a safe work space for staff who have allowed us into their homes

[0:04:46] Trustee Fast: through this digital medium.

[0:04:49] Trustee Fast: So thank you, everybody, in advance for your cooperation.

[0:04:53] Trustee Fast: I want to make sure I haven't missed anything here.

[0:04:58] Trustee Fast: Yep, this is an official forum, even though we're online,

[0:05:01] Trustee Fast: because of the COVID-19 situation and the other variants that are coming at us.

[0:05:07] Trustee Fast: So we're here to make land use planning decisions today.

[0:05:11] Trustee Fast: And so safe, respectful workplace.

[0:05:15] Trustee Fast: place and please direct comments um to us your local elected folks and uh with that um i'm going

[0:05:23] Trustee Fast: to see about the hand up in attendees will is there a issue that i can help joan with i can

[0:05:29] Trustee Fast: see the microphone is off um she's probably helping her because we'll be on the screen

[0:05:38] Trustee Fast: joan

[0:05:40] Voice 27: are you with us yes i am um i i thought i was supposed to raise my hand if i wanted to be

[0:05:49] Voice 27: be on the speakers list when

[0:05:51] Trustee Fast: we get to that part of the agenda and this is an interesting one thank

[0:05:55] Trustee Fast: you Joan but we've got two places where you can raise your hands today one of them is during the

[0:06:02] Trustee Fast: public hearing for the Wiseman rezoning which is going to be at the beginning of the meeting

[0:06:08] Trustee Fast: near the beginning of the meeting that's one time you can raise your hand to speak

[0:06:12] Trustee Fast: and then later after we've concluded that public hearing then we've got a town hall coming later

[0:06:22] Trustee Fast: at item eight on the agenda so anybody who hasn't got the agenda you can get it from the islands

[0:06:27] Trustee Fast: trust website under islands and then local trust areas hornby meetings and you'll find the agenda

[0:06:35] Trustee Fast: there so when I call for people to raise their hands that's when you can raise

[0:06:41] Trustee Fast: them and that this is great I can see Joan you've got that hand thingy working

[0:06:46] Trustee Fast: and we can see we've got connectivity with the public today that's great if

[0:06:51] Trustee Fast: people have technical difficulties we're going to please speak to W Cottingham at

[0:07:00] Trustee Fast: at islandstrust.bc.ca.

[0:07:02] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[0:07:04] Trustee Fast: So Joan, if you could take your hand down now,

[0:07:06] Trustee Fast: I'm gonna go on with the call to order,

[0:07:09] Trustee Fast: call the meeting to order and get us going.

[0:07:12] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:07:13] Trustee Fast: And so I'm gonna call the meeting to order.

[0:07:18] Trustee Fast: Trustees, where did Grant go?

[0:07:20] Trustee Fast: Do we still have you Grant?

[0:07:24] Trustee Fast: Trustee

[0:07:25] Trustee Scott: Scott, are you-

[0:07:25] Trustee Scott: Yes, I just turned off the video.

[0:07:28] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[0:07:29] Trustee Fast: I just wanted to make sure we were assembled.

[0:07:31] Trustee Fast: No,

[0:07:31] Trustee Scott: we're all there.

[0:07:32] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[0:07:33] Trustee Fast: So we've got an agenda before us.

[0:07:36] Trustee Fast: We might move some of the agenda items around.

[0:07:40] Trustee Fast: And first off, we've got this resolution

[0:07:43] Trustee Fast: to continue holding electronic meetings

[0:07:45] Trustee Fast: because the COVID situation has continued.

[0:07:49] Trustee Fast: So would one of you like to read this or shall I?

[0:07:57] Voice 23: Go ahead.

[0:07:58] Voice 23: Okay,

[0:07:59] Trustee Fast: I'll just read it.

[0:08:00] Trustee Fast: This is a resolution to, in order to meet the principles of openness, transparency, and accessibility, meetings of the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee will be held electronically until ministerial orders under the Emergency Program Act and requirements or recommendations of the Public Health Act change regarding public attendance at trust body meetings.

[0:08:20] Trustee Fast: and that such meetings will be live streamed

[0:08:24] Trustee Fast: and the public invited to participate in meetings

[0:08:26] Trustee Fast: by connecting to the link or the phone number

[0:08:28] Trustee Fast: provided in the meeting notice

[0:08:29] Trustee Fast: in order to observe proceedings

[0:08:32] Trustee Fast: and speak when invited by the chair.

[0:08:34] Trustee Fast: So I move that.

[0:08:36] Trustee Fast: Can I have a seconder?

[0:08:38] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:08:39] Trustee Fast: I think I saw Grant's finger first.

[0:08:42] Trustee Fast: And all those in favor?

[0:08:45] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[0:08:46] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[0:08:47] Trustee Fast: Thank you, everybody.

[0:08:49] Trustee Fast: Rise and report.

[0:08:50] Trustee Fast: This is the part where I just want to let you know that we held a in-camera meeting in November.

[0:08:59] Trustee Fast: And at that meeting, it was for the appointment of Advisory Planning Commission members.

[0:09:05] Trustee Fast: And we adopted closed meeting minutes from back in January 2020.

[0:09:11] Trustee Fast: So that's that part.

[0:09:13] Trustee Fast: And now we're going to go on to the community information meeting.

[0:09:17] Trustee Fast: meeting. And so here, I've got another sort of script that I'm going to go through because this

[0:09:26] Trustee Fast: is a formal hearing. And I want to make sure that I'm doing this all correctly here. Okay,

[0:09:35] Trustee Fast: this public hearing is for proposed bylaws 164 and 165. Oh, sorry, Courtney, do I do the CIM first?

[0:09:42] Trustee Fast: Yes, please. Okay. Thank you. I have a presentation for it.

[0:09:46] Trustee Fast: right okay so then forget that formal part we'll come back to that um and uh and i'll be um sorry

[0:09:54] Trustee Fast: i'm trying to be very careful with this following scripts but that wasn't uh quite right so first

[0:09:58] Trustee Fast: we're going to do the community information meeting uh planner simpson take us take it away

[0:10:03] Trustee Fast: okay

[0:10:04] Voice 20: thank you very much now i have some slides and will is going to share her screen because

[0:10:09] Voice 20: she's helping me out with some technical difficulties here so will you can please go

[0:10:15] Voice 20: ahead and share that all right here we come okay so this is the second community information meeting

[0:10:22] Voice 20: and it will be followed by the second public hearing for this rezoning application and the

[0:10:28] Voice 20: reason that there's two is because we found an error in the notification that we had done in

[0:10:33] Voice 20: the previous public hearing back in November that may have limited someone's participation so we

[0:10:41] Voice 20: we need to redo the public hearing to make sure that everyone who had wished to speak

[0:10:46] Voice 20: can do so. So I just, bear with me, I'm opening my notes here. Technical stuff, there we go.

[0:11:00] Voice 20: Okay, so Will, next slide, please. So the subject property at 5020 Fowler Road is 3.98 hectares in

[0:11:12] Voice 20: area the property cannot currently be subdivided because the minimum lot area in the zone is 4.0

[0:11:21] Voice 20: hectares and the applicant is requesting through this rezoning application that the minimum lot

[0:11:26] Voice 20: area is reduced to 1.9 hectares to allow for a two lot subdivision next slide please so this slide

[0:11:40] Voice 20: shows that the comparison between the current minimum lot size and the proposed if this

[0:11:47] Voice 20: rezoning goes through there would be a change from one lot allowed to two lots allowed one dwelling

[0:11:53] Voice 20: allowed to change to two dwellings however currently there's one dwelling allowed with a

[0:12:00] Voice 20: secondary suite but if the proposed rezoning is approved there would be two dwellings allowed and

[0:12:06] Voice 20: and no secondary suite.

[0:12:10] Voice 20: Next slide, please.

[0:12:12] Voice 20: And-

[0:12:13] Voice 29: Can I

[0:12:13] Trustee Scott: ask a question there, Courtney?

[0:12:15] Voice 20: Yes.

[0:12:16] Trustee Scott: Could you go back?

[0:12:17] Trustee Scott: Well, go back one.

[0:12:20] Trustee Scott: If it were four hectares,

[0:12:22] Trustee Scott: would it under current zoning by-law

[0:12:25] Trustee Scott: be allowed to be subdivided into two, two hectares?

[0:12:28] Voice 20: No, it would not.

[0:12:32] Okay.

[0:12:33] Voice 20: Yeah.

[0:12:38] Voice 20: Yeah, the property would need to be eight hectares

[0:12:40] Voice 20: an area to be subdivided.

[0:12:42] Voice 20: So even if it was four hectares,

[0:12:44] Voice 20: no subdivision would be allowed under the current bylaw okay and advance this

[0:12:51] Voice 20: once more I've got a little box that was going to pop up on this slide oh there

[0:12:58] Voice 20: we go so where we are now is the public in the public hearing that follows this

[0:13:03] Voice 20: information meeting is the final opportunity for the local trust

[0:13:07] Voice 20: committee to receive public input on the proposed bylaws the local trust

[0:13:11] Voice 20: committee will consider the public hearing input immediately after the

[0:13:16] Voice 20: close of the public hearing as and they may give third reading to the bylaws after the public

[0:13:22] Voice 20: hearing today the bylaws then require approval from the minister and the islands trust executive

[0:13:27] Voice 20: committee if they are advanced today and before they can be adopted next slide please and uh

[0:13:36] Voice 20: that's the end of my short presentation here and uh back to you chair fast to facilitate any

[0:13:43] Voice 20: questions okay

[0:13:46] Trustee Fast: here is the question part of the public hearing can the public ask

[0:13:51] Trustee Fast: questions too I guess this is primarily for the public to ask questions just

[0:13:57] Trustee Fast: clarifying very good I'll ask trustees first trustees do you have any further

[0:14:02] Trustee Fast: questions for the planner no okay then this is the time here's your chance

[0:14:08] Trustee Fast: members of Hornby Island community to speak about this topic if you've got

[0:14:15] Trustee Fast: got something to say now's the time to say it because later in the town hall will be too late

[0:14:19] Trustee Fast: and uh and it'll be after the public hearing uh rpm heather go ahead that

[0:14:27] Voice 8: this the cim is for

[0:14:29] Voice 8: questions um if you have opinions that you want to express about the application that would the

[0:14:37] Voice 8: appropriate time to do that is during the public hearing um but this is for questions only not for

[0:14:43] Voice 8: expressing opinion thank you usually how we work it right this

[0:14:48] Trustee Fast: is the questions for the planner

[0:14:49] Trustee Fast: and then i will officially open the public hearing with that script that i started before

[0:14:54] Trustee Fast: and then we'll go into the chance for people to have their say uh and then sorry thank you for

[0:15:01] Trustee Fast: clarifying that planner simpson thank

[0:15:03] Voice 20: you and i do know that the applicant may wish to speak here at

[0:15:08] Voice 20: at the community information meeting as well.

[0:15:11] Voice 20: So if you can keep your eyes open for him,

[0:15:14] Voice 20: he may be wishing to do that.

[0:15:16] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[0:15:16] Trustee Fast: Do we want to give him any particular place

[0:15:19] Trustee Fast: in the number of hands that are going up?

[0:15:22] Trustee Fast: I can see some hands that are up.

[0:15:24] Trustee Fast: Oh, okay.

[0:15:25] Trustee Fast: Then I'm gonna start,

[0:15:27] Trustee Fast: the hands come up in order on my screen

[0:15:29] Trustee Fast: as I see them up there, as I understand it.

[0:15:32] Trustee Fast: So it's kind of when your hand goes up

[0:15:34] Trustee Fast: as the order that you'll speak in.

[0:15:35] Trustee Fast: and i'm hoping uh that we can um i

[0:15:40] Voice 17: just i just want to double check chair fast you want me to

[0:15:44] Voice 17: promote people so that they can be seen and heard or just enable them to speak

[0:15:48] Trustee Fast: just to speak i think

[0:15:50] Trustee Fast: we had trouble with the bandwidth um earlier on denman and i can't see that it would be better

[0:15:57] Trustee Fast: on hornby especially since um trustees um alan already had some trouble today so this section

[0:16:04] Trustee Fast: is for questions for the planner. Questions only and I'm hoping we can keep this brief and then

[0:16:11] Trustee Fast: we'll be able to get to the part where you can share your comments and your views. So these are

[0:16:18] Trustee Fast: questions for the planner. We'll start with Joan Harris. If you could keep your question down to

[0:16:22] Trustee Fast: one minute maximum that would be great. Thank you. Go ahead Joan.

[0:16:29] Voice 27: I was wanting to know how many

[0:16:32] Voice 27: hectares are in 10 acres good

[0:16:37] Trustee Fast: question can you answer that plan or

[0:16:41] Voice 20: something let me just pull up

[0:16:42] Voice 20: my calculator 2

[0:16:47] Trustee Scott: .47 acres in an acre acres in a hectare so

[0:16:54] Voice 19: there's just over just four

[0:16:57] Voice 19: four acres in a hectare four acres in 10

[0:17:01] Voice 19: acres so

[0:17:02] Voice 27: why would that not then why wouldn't 10 acres

[0:17:07] Voice 27: if it was four four hectares why would it not be subdividable into two five acre pieces

[0:17:16] Voice 27: it's rural residential the

[0:17:19] Voice 20: minimum lot size in this zone is is four hectares so

[0:17:24] Voice 20: lots cannot be created that are smaller than four hectares thank

[0:17:31] Trustee Fast: you okay so we're going to go on to

[0:17:33] Trustee Fast: the next person now and that's uh david henderson david did you have a question for the planner

[0:17:38] Trustee Fast: please go ahead you're unmuted oh no you're still muted we've got you as

[0:17:49] Trustee Fast: permitted but if you could unmute your microphone

[0:17:51] Voice 28: okay yes

[0:17:54] Trustee Fast: just a matter of

[0:17:57] Voice 28: clarification from planner Simpson please in the preamble to today's

[0:18:04] Voice 28: discussion in the staff report under analysis on page two the staff reports

[0:18:12] Voice 28: states that fairly categorically that from the perspective of the Islands Trust there was no

[0:18:19] Voice 28: error in the initial in the survey in 2011. I'm going to address this later in the public forum

[0:18:26] Voice 28: piece but I just want to state for the record and from

[0:18:30] Voice 23: you ask any

[0:18:30] Voice 28: question yes and from the

[0:18:32] Voice 28: perspective of the Islands Trust was there an error was there not in the surveying document in

[0:18:38] Voice 28: 2011.

[0:18:40] Voice 20: yeah that's correct uh there's no uh we don't see we don't have any

[0:18:45] Voice 20: evidence to show

[0:18:46] Voice 20: that there was any error at all as is described in the staff report we went back and uh reviewed

[0:18:52] Voice 20: the previous subdivision applications and explained how that went at that time thank you

[0:18:57] Trustee Fast: very much thank you and then the next person i've got on the list is uh christina laughing christina

[0:19:07] Trustee Fast: i'm using it at the moment no we can hear you go ahead question for the planner oh now you're

[0:19:16] Trustee Fast: muted christina we oh thank you

[0:19:20] Voice 16: i hope you can hear me now yes

[0:19:22] Trustee Fast: questions for the

[0:19:23] Voice 16: planner yes

[0:19:24] Voice 16: um i have just uh process questions to ask or um due process i i want to know

[0:19:29] Voice 17: what's his phone

[0:19:30] Voice 17: number can

[0:19:32] Voice 16: i continue please go ahead um can have all of the trustees receive the 156 pages

[0:19:39] Voice 16: pages that includes the staff report and all of the materials to date,

[0:19:43] Voice 16: plus the 30 odd pages that of correspondence have those been fully read.

[0:19:49] Voice 16: I'm concerned because some of the questions

[0:19:50] Voice 16: that I've heard arising already were addressed in the staff report.

[0:19:55] Voice 16: And so that's question one.

[0:19:57] Voice 16: And then the question, too, is what recourse is there for those

[0:20:00] Voice 16: who are having trouble logging in? I have three people currently who are madly

[0:20:05] Voice 16: texting me saying they were unable to log into the zoo.

[0:20:07] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:20:08] Voice 16: But I don't think this is an issue of, you know,

[0:20:12] Voice 16: numbers that are, they're obviously having trouble gaining,

[0:20:16] Voice 16: getting into it.

[0:20:17] Voice 16: And I know that my own brother who is very tech savvy

[0:20:20] Voice 16: was initially unable to log in.

[0:20:22] Voice 16: So I'm just wondering if there's any recourse

[0:20:24] Voice 16: or follow-up they can do

[0:20:25] Voice 16: if they want to have their voices heard.

[0:20:26] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:20:28] Trustee Fast: Questions for the planner, go ahead planner.

[0:20:30] Voice 20: Yes, I can confirm that the local trust committee,

[0:20:33] Voice 20: all three trustees received all of those materials

[0:20:35] Voice 20: that you've asked about.

[0:20:38] Voice 20: and for your second question about people maybe having difficulty logging in um might i suggest

[0:20:44] Voice 20: to the chair that we um see if we can address that uh before certainly before beginning the

[0:20:51] Voice 20: public hearing yes

[0:20:53] Trustee Scott: i think um can i just quick point of order i think she asked have we read it

[0:20:59] Trustee Scott: not whether we received it and i just want to confirm yes we've read it

[0:21:03] Trustee Fast: okay very much trustee

[0:21:05] Trustee Fast: scott okay thank you trustee allen and i have two and i've even been looking at the

[0:21:14] Trustee Fast: official community plan and all this kind of thing lots of good material lots of good input

[0:21:19] Trustee Fast: thank you everybody for that i'm going to um uh take your point christina that people are having

[0:21:24] Trustee Fast: difficulty with zoom i think i heard um will in the background uh and will are you there can you

[0:21:32] Trustee Fast: Yes,

[0:21:33] Voice 17: my apologies. I was actually unmuted when I was getting David Wiseman's phone number. He has phoned in because he was also having difficulty. I'm not sure exactly what's going on out there in cyber land.

[0:21:49] Voice 17: But I would suggest that phoning in is a good option if you're not able to connect electronically.

[0:21:58] Voice 17: And for those of you that are in the audience and can hear me, perhaps you can pass this on to your to your friends, your contacts.

[0:22:09] Voice 17: So the phone numbers to call in, these are both toll free.

[0:22:12] Voice 17: So you do need to dial one first, but they're toll-free numbers, 833-958-1164 or 833-955-1088.

[0:22:28] Voice 17: And then when you actually do join the meeting, you have to press star 9 to raise your hand and then star 6 to unmute.

[0:22:38] Voice 17: mute. So that is another option. I can see that Mr. Wiseman did successfully call in. So the call

[0:22:46] Voice 17: in is working, even if we're having difficulty on Hornby with people using the join electronically

[0:22:53] Voice 17: link. You'll also need to join by phone. The webinar ID is 662-3467-0760. All that information

[0:23:08] Voice 17: is on the Hornby latest news web page

[0:23:11] Voice 17: where you would have gone to try and join anyway.

[0:23:15] Voice 17: So you can just use the phone in feature instead

[0:23:18] Voice 17: and then star nine to raise your hand

[0:23:22] Voice 17: and star six to unmute.

[0:23:25] Voice 17: Perhaps there's something strange happening

[0:23:28] Voice 17: in the atmosphere on Hornby today.

[0:23:31] Trustee Fast: Will, could you repeat the webinar login?

[0:23:35] Trustee Fast: Sure.

[0:23:36] Voice 17: Sure. The

[0:23:37] Voice 17: webinar ID is, because when you phone in, it will ask for that. The webinar ID is 662-3467-0760.

[0:23:52] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:23:53] Voice 17: All right.

[0:23:54] Trustee Fast: And all of this is at the Hornby page.

[0:23:58] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[0:24:00] Trustee Fast: BC.ca website. Thank you.

[0:24:03] Trustee Fast: Trustee Allen.

[0:24:14] Trustee Allen: I did the opposite.

[0:24:15] Trustee Allen: I

[0:24:17] Voice 17: don't think they will have a participant ID because they're coming as attendees, so they'll probably only have to use the webinar ID.

[0:24:28] Voice 17: Very good. Thank you.

[0:24:30] Trustee Allen: I have you in my oven.

[0:24:41] Trustee Fast: Okay, and you sound like you're talking from the other end of one of those tin can telephones, but we can hear you clearly.

[0:24:47] Trustee Fast: Okay, well, I'll try and talk like this. I'm sorry.

[0:24:49] Trustee Fast: sorry okay that's good thank you and um i'm going to go back now to questions for the planner

[0:24:55] Trustee Fast: and on my list next i have karen ross so karen if you have a question for the planner if you

[0:25:02] Trustee Fast: could keep it short so we can get to the public hearing that would be great thank you go ahead

[0:25:06] Trustee Fast: uh

[0:25:08] Voice 14: thank you chair fast um my question uh really is a little bit bigger picture i think um we have

[0:25:16] Voice 14: a housing shortage on hornby and this appears to be a corner lot in a pretty flat easy to

[0:25:24] Voice 14: subdivide situation and i'm wondering if there have been any discussions about the opportunity

[0:25:30] Voice 14: to create smaller lots or some kind of amenities zoning that would allow some additional home sites

[0:25:38] Voice 14: on this particular property i i believe it's not alr but what would the impediments for that be

[0:25:44] Voice 14: go ahead planner Simpson you

[0:25:48] Voice 20: um yes so that has not been part of the discussion as part of this

[0:25:52] Voice 20: application um uh you're right a bigger picture question about housing needs and how those are

[0:25:59] Voice 20: addressed on Hornby Island uh so uh I guess I can start to by saying that the technical process

[0:26:08] Voice 20: if someone who owned property or Mr. Wiseman on this property wanted to propose uh you know more

[0:26:15] Voice 20: than one subdivision but more housing that would be done through a rezoning application

[0:26:21] Voice 20: and what we would look at was any plans the official community plan the housing strategy

[0:26:27] Voice 20: or the housing report for the islands trust to see if that matched the strategy in place

[0:26:34] Voice 20: to address affordable housing and a number of other factors so I

[0:26:41] Voice 1: can tell you that

[0:26:41] Voice 20: part but

[0:26:42] Voice 20: But maybe I could ask if Regional Planning Manager Cower had anything else to provide

[0:26:49] Voice 20: some context about that topic on Hornby?

[0:26:53] Voice 8: I don't really, other than to say that this is a owner-initiated application and request.

[0:27:03] Voice 8: You know, the owner could have applied to have more units on their property, and then

[0:27:10] Voice 8: we would be reviewing it in that way.

[0:27:13] Voice 8: But in this particular case, because it's initiated by the property owner, we just have to review what is being requested.

[0:27:21] Voice 8: So this broader question is something to kind of look at with our bigger documents.

[0:27:26] Voice 8: So the OCP and the LUB, and those could be projects that the LTC could take on if they wanted to do that.

[0:27:35] Voice 8: But in this particular case, property owner initiated.

[0:27:38] Voice 8: it thank

[0:27:40] Trustee Fast: you and just for anybody who might not know ocp is official community plan and lub is

[0:27:46] Trustee Fast: land use bylaw which sort of follows and puts the regulations um in place um to make land to make

[0:27:56] Trustee Fast: management of change and growth uh on hornby island fit with the official community plan

[0:28:04] Trustee Fast: and all the community input so i won't go more into that sorry about that um i don't see any

[0:28:09] Trustee Fast: more hands up but i believe that david wiseman wished to speak to his application and uh i think

[0:28:16] Trustee Fast: that's his phone call there so talking is permitted and um mr wiseman if you would like to

[0:28:24] Trustee Fast: star six on your phone should unmute your phone is he asking questions now or is are we going into

[0:28:31] Trustee Fast: that um i think this is questions for the planner so i've got another person with a question here

[0:28:38] Trustee Fast: i'll go on i think i

[0:28:39] Voice 17: think mr weisman has unmuted now so yes

[0:28:43] Voice 26: i have did

[0:28:44] Trustee Fast: you have a question uh for

[0:28:46] Trustee Fast: the planner um

[0:28:48] Voice 26: no i'm just wondering how the heck can i get onto this uh site i've got i've got the

[0:28:53] Voice 26: council meetings uh page here from the audience trust but i can't find a way to get into this

[0:28:59] Voice 26: meeting mr

[0:29:01] Voice 17: weisman i can uh i will email you the page that you need to go to to use the link

[0:29:06] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:29:07] Voice 17: I will

[0:29:08] Voice 26: email you right now.

[0:29:08] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:29:09] Voice 17: I think you are in the meeting.

[0:29:10] Voice 26: He's in the meeting.

[0:29:11] Voice 17: Will he join?

[0:29:12] Voice 17: I'm

[0:29:12] Voice 26: on by phone, but I'd like to be on by screen, by video.

[0:29:18] Trustee Fast: Sure.

[0:29:18] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[0:29:19] Trustee Fast: I'll email you.

[0:29:19] Trustee Fast: Well, Will is going to help you with that.

[0:29:21] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:29:22] Trustee Fast: And while we wait for you to get that set up, we'll take more questions.

[0:29:28] Trustee Fast: For the planner, I see Kehan Youn-Henderson.

[0:29:31] Trustee Fast: Kehan, you have a question for the planner?

[0:29:34] Trustee Fast: Please go ahead.

[0:29:34] Trustee Fast: Hi.

[0:29:35] Trustee Fast: Can you hear me?

[0:29:37] Voice 10: just a point i'd just like to ask clarification based on that last question uh if the subdivision

[0:29:44] Voice 10: were to go ahead would further subdivision be on the table or like yeah i just have that question

[0:29:52] Voice 10: i guess okay thank you go ahead planner simpson

[0:29:56] Voice 20: sure no sub no further subdivision would be allowed

[0:30:00] Voice 20: uh the the um amendments are written in a way that does not allow any further any further

[0:30:05] Voice 20: subdivision as you can see with this application anyone can make a rezoning application to change

[0:30:12] Voice 20: that uh but that would be a totally separate process and it would come in front of the local

[0:30:17] Voice 20: trust committee and go through all this same process again thank

[0:30:22] Trustee Fast: you very good and uh any

[0:30:26] Trustee Fast: Any more questions for the planner?

[0:30:29] Trustee Fast: Kihan, if you would take your hand down.

[0:30:32] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:30:33] Trustee Fast: And I'm not seeing any more questions for the planner.

[0:30:38] Trustee Fast: So maybe I could open the public hearing.

[0:30:45] Trustee Fast: Planner Simpson?

[0:30:46] Voice 20: I think that possibly the applicant is still trying to be able to speak at this community information meeting.

[0:30:55] Voice 20: Although he may not have a question, we did tell him he could speak.

[0:30:59] Voice 20: in this hearing it in this community information right so

[0:31:03] Voice 20: i'm not sure if he's still waiting to

[0:31:07] Voice 20: say something at this time okay

[0:31:10] Trustee Fast: let's check thank you for reminding me i'm sorry i'm getting the

[0:31:13] Trustee Fast: order mixed up these are uh it's strange to do it on video like this with people having trouble

[0:31:21] Trustee Fast: connecting i was

[0:31:25] Voice 17: just i was also just still looking for mr wiseman's um email address

[0:31:30] Voice 17: Courtney if you have that at hand if you could email it to me that yeah sure

[0:31:34] Voice 17: great you

[0:31:36] Trustee Fast: know what

[0:31:37] Trustee Fast: everybody I'm going to suggest a two-minute break partly because I can hear my dog and then we'll

[0:31:44] Trustee Fast: get Mr. Wiseman hooked up so two minutes we'll be back at 1 10 37 thank you I've

[0:33:22] Voice 17: sent Mr. Wiseman

[0:33:24] Voice 17: the link and perhaps as a as another can you hear

[0:33:28] Trustee Allen: me now yes

[0:33:29] Voice 17: yes you can

[0:33:30] Voice 17: yes oh

[0:33:31] Trustee Allen: okay but i can't

[0:33:33] Trustee Allen: hear you oh

[0:33:34] Voice 17: um just a quick change

[0:33:37] Trustee Allen: something go

[0:33:39] Voice 17: ahead will just a quick note for everyone out

[0:33:42] Voice 17: there who's still having difficulty it might also be that people are joining the live stream

[0:33:48] Voice 17: rather than the actual Zoom link.

[0:33:54] Voice 17: Please make sure if you're joining that

[0:33:56] Voice 17: and you're going from the latest news page,

[0:33:59] Voice 17: use the link that says to join electronically

[0:34:03] Voice 17: as opposed to the live stream to watch link.

[0:34:07] Voice 17: The live stream will not allow you to participate.

[0:34:09] Voice 17: You need to use the to join electronically link.

[0:34:17] Trustee Allen: Sorry, you can hear me, right?

[0:34:19] Voice 19: Yes.

[0:34:20] Trustee Allen: Good. Okay, perfect. I've got a new thing here.

[0:34:24] Voice 19: Very good.

[0:34:24] Voice 19: Excellent.

[0:34:55] Trustee Fast: Thanks, everybody, for bearing with us while we try to connect the people that want to be connected to our meeting.

[0:35:04] Trustee Fast: The challenge, sometimes there's different Zoom versions running as well, I've discovered.

[0:35:17] Trustee Fast: Currently, for those listening, we've got 31 participants, seven of us on the staff and trustee side, 25 attendees in the public meeting of the Zoom meeting.

[0:35:28] Trustee Fast: and an unknown number watching on live stream and later there will be people watching the recording

[0:35:35] Trustee Fast: which I forgot to mention is that this meeting is being recorded so later it will be up on the

[0:35:41] Trustee Fast: Islands Trust website and for viewing in the future. Now when Trustee Scott gets back here he

[0:35:55] Trustee Fast: is I

[0:35:59] Voice 17: can see yes and I see we we now have Mr. Wiseman in our regular attendee list as well so

[0:36:07] Voice 17: So, oh, as well as that. So that worked. I think he's now hung up his phone and he's joined

[0:36:13] Voice 17: electronically because he I sent him to the right or no, he's still got his phone on, but he's also

[0:36:19] Voice 17: here electronically. So

[0:36:22] Trustee Fast: OK, that's great. And I see one other person, Robert Taylor, who's

[0:36:27] Trustee Fast: got a question for the planner. Robert, this isn't the comment part. If you've got a question

[0:36:33] Trustee Fast: for the planner then we'll promote you to be able to speak and if you could

[0:36:38] Trustee Fast: there you go okay please question for the planner Robert just

[0:36:42] Voice 4: actually it's a

[0:36:43] Voice 4: technical question related to the same problem of are we on the live stream or

[0:36:48] Voice 4: are we on the webinar or are we on zoom properly at the top of my screen it

[0:36:52] Voice 4: says live on custom live streaming service am I in the right place yes you

[0:36:57] Trustee Fast: are in the zoom meeting with the trustees so you're you're part of our

[0:37:02] Trustee Fast: meeting what that um indicator in the top left corner is saying is that uh letting people know

[0:37:09] Trustee Fast: that we are being recorded and it's going out live okay

[0:37:14] Voice 4: it's not possible to see the other people

[0:37:16] Voice 4: that are attending from this view um

[0:37:19] Trustee Fast: if you're in the meeting you may here's a hint no if you go to

[0:37:26] Voice 17: to the top right-hand corner.

[0:37:28] Voice 17: You can't, as an attendee,

[0:37:30] Voice 17: you cannot see the other attendees.

[0:37:32] Voice 17: Only panelists can see the other attendees.

[0:37:35] Voice 4: Perfect, okay, I'm lowering my hand.

[0:37:37] Trustee Fast: All right, thank you.

[0:37:38] Trustee Fast: And just, I was just gonna say,

[0:37:41] Trustee Fast: if you wanna see the people who are the functionaries

[0:37:46] Trustee Fast: in this meeting in terms of staff

[0:37:48] Trustee Fast: and your local trust committee members up there in the view,

[0:37:54] Trustee Fast: top right if you choose gallery you can see the most people um if we well i won't go into the

[0:38:02] Trustee Fast: technical details but when we've tried to promote people to video and stuff that all kinds of

[0:38:07] Trustee Fast: problems ensue and uh and it and it becomes more of a problem okay so thank you robert for your

[0:38:14] Trustee Fast: question and um now i think i've got uh david wiseman if that's you at the phone number there

[0:38:21] Trustee Fast: or if you're in the meeting maybe you could um uh i think

[0:38:27] Voice 17: that's actually a different caller

[0:38:29] Voice 17: that is here so i will just uh allow that caller to

[0:38:35] Trustee Fast: speak thank you this is three one seven zero

[0:38:37] Trustee Fast: if you could uh tell us your name and your connection to hornby island please and then go

[0:38:42] Trustee Fast: go ahead. Star six to unmute. Phone number. I see the hand is raised. Can you

[0:39:00] Voice 17: unmute, please?

[0:39:03] Voice 17: You need to press star six to unmute your phone.

[0:39:08] Voice 17: Calling

[0:39:09] Trustee Fast: phone number 3170. Okay, I think that person must have been having trouble. I'm going

[0:39:18] Trustee Fast: going to go ahead now oh yeah we're going to go ahead now with uh david wiseman david if you could

[0:39:25] Trustee Fast: keep it down to a couple of minutes and and uh but tell us what your um what you want to say

[0:39:31] Trustee Fast: before we open the public hearing this is the applicant everybody okay

[0:39:35] Voice 25: thank you very much um

[0:39:37] Voice 25: thanks will for helping me actually get connected um this was an extremely frustrating process it

[0:39:43] Voice 25: It took almost 40 minutes.

[0:39:47] Voice 25: Anyway, yeah, I'm glad that this meeting is happening.

[0:39:50] Voice 25: I'm really pleased that this proposal

[0:39:54] Voice 25: has been created by Courtney Simpson.

[0:39:57] Voice 25: And at this point, I just say,

[0:40:00] Voice 25: I want to go ahead with this process

[0:40:01] Voice 25: and I don't have any particular questions

[0:40:04] Voice 25: or thoughts besides those.

[0:40:08] Voice 25: So that's enough for now.

[0:40:11] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you, Mr. Wiseman.

[0:40:12] Trustee Fast: I'm glad you're connected to the meeting and I'm hoping everybody hasn't had the same kind

[0:40:18] Trustee Fast: of technical difficulties and that more people have been able to join here

[0:40:23] Voice 19: we go we're still at

[0:40:24] Trustee Fast: 25 attendees and I think we're going to close the information meeting then

[0:40:30] Voice 8: sounds like

[0:40:32] Voice 8: a caller that

[0:40:33] Voice 8: was having difficulty may be on the line now is that oh I don't see the

[0:40:38] Trustee Fast: hand up anymore

[0:40:39] Trustee Fast: more they were there

[0:40:40] Voice 8: just for a moment yep and now they're muted again so if you can unmute yourself

[0:40:50] Voice 8: there you go again you're in questions for

[0:40:53] Trustee Fast: the planner three one seven zero i think we can maybe

[0:40:59] Trustee Fast: hear you if you say something oh dear hello

[0:41:06] Voice 22: can you hear me now

[0:41:07] Trustee Fast: yes yes please go ahead question

[0:41:09] Trustee Fast: for the planner oh

[0:41:11] Voice 1: yes uh so um this is ryan man here so i um my question for the planner is

[0:41:19] Voice 1: is really how further development on Hornby Island of large tracts of land

[0:41:26] Voice 1: proposes to benefit the OCP and Hornby Island into the long term.

[0:41:31] Voice 1: So development on Vancouver Island is poised to absolutely change the landscape of the entire place.

[0:41:38] Voice 1: We've got the Union Bay Estates planning to bring thousands of new residents to Vancouver Island.

[0:41:44] Voice 1: I'm just wondering how setting a precedent for increased density in Hornby

[0:41:49] Voice 1: proposes to address the local issues that we have, such as food security, the rural lifestyle that

[0:41:55] Voice 1: everybody comes to enjoy, and in fact even the values that bring people to Hornby in the first

[0:42:00] Voice 1: place, which is peace and quiet and all the things that we love so much. So how does increasing

[0:42:07] Voice 1: density on Hornby Island propose to address the issues that we're facing locally that will matter

[0:42:14] Trustee Fast: to

[0:42:14] Voice 1: my grandchildren?

[0:42:17] Trustee Fast: Thank you for your question. Please, Planner Simpson, go ahead.

[0:42:20] Trustee Fast: thank

[0:42:20] Voice 20: you yes in our analysis of this application we haven't identified any any benefits to the

[0:42:26] Voice 20: Hornby Island community thank

[0:42:30] Trustee Fast: you very good seeing no further hands or people wishing to

[0:42:36] Trustee Fast: ask questions of the planner I'm going to close the community information part of the meeting

[0:42:41] Trustee Fast: and and we're going to go into a formal public hearing so this will be the chance

[0:42:47] Trustee Fast: and uh and the only chance during this meeting um to have your say so i'll go through this uh formal

[0:42:54] Trustee Fast: um opening the public hearing so this is the public hearing for proposed bylaws number 164 and

[0:43:02] Trustee Fast: 165 and the public hearing is now open i wish to welcome everybody in attendance acknowledge that

[0:43:07] Trustee Fast: we're meeting in the territory of coast salish first nations my name is trustee fast chair of

[0:43:11] Trustee Fast: the local trust committee alex allen is another local trustee raise your hand thank you and

[0:43:17] Trustee Fast: And another trustee is Grant Scott.

[0:43:19] Trustee Fast: Raise your hand.

[0:43:19] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:43:20] Trustee Fast: And so I'd like to introduce, I think we've already introduced staff.

[0:43:26] Trustee Fast: Do I need to do this all again?

[0:43:29] Trustee Fast: Perhaps for the record, the minute taker is Vicki Bachman behind the scenes.

[0:43:34] Trustee Fast: So she'll be recording your comments.

[0:43:35] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Vicki.

[0:43:36] Trustee Fast: Regional planning manager Heather Cowher is with us.

[0:43:39] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:43:40] Trustee Fast: There's Heather.

[0:43:40] Trustee Fast: And here is planners Courtney Simpson, who will be the main planner taking this file

[0:43:47] Trustee Fast: and who will be speaking to the application

[0:43:49] Trustee Fast: after the close of the public hearing.

[0:43:52] Trustee Fast: And I think that's that part.

[0:43:55] Trustee Fast: Okay, and we're going to go on to the public hearing

[0:43:59] Trustee Fast: is being convened pursuant to section 465

[0:44:04] Trustee Fast: of the Local Government Act

[0:44:05] Trustee Fast: that manages all communities in British Columbia

[0:44:10] Trustee Fast: in order to consider the following proposed bylaws.

[0:44:13] Trustee Fast: proposed bylaw 164 cited as Hornby Island official community plan 2014

[0:44:19] Trustee Fast: amendment number 1 2020 and proposed bylaw 165 cited as Hornby Island land

[0:44:25] Trustee Fast: use bylaw 2014 amendment number 2 2020 all persons who believe that their

[0:44:31] Trustee Fast: interest in property is affected by the proposed bylaws will be given a

[0:44:35] Trustee Fast: reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written submissions respecting

[0:44:39] Trustee Fast: matters contained in the proposed bylaws those wishing to speak should commence

[0:44:43] Trustee Fast: their presentation by clearly stating their name and their address or connection with the Hornby Island.

[0:44:51] Trustee Fast: And this is where I would like to also say, if you want to give written submission,

[0:44:58] Trustee Fast: you can send an email in to wcottingham at islandstrust.bc.ca. Is that correct?

[0:45:08] Voice 17: Sorry, Chair Fast. They need to send to the Public Hearing Submissions mailbox, which is northphsub, so N-O-R-T-H-P-H-S-U-B.

[0:45:25] Voice 17: So it's like a short form of Northern Public Hearing Submissions, North PH Sub at islandstrust.bc.ca and Islands has an S on it.

[0:45:40] Trustee Fast: And a CA at the end.

[0:45:42] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:45:44] Trustee Fast: And so I'm going to remind people, raise your hand if you pull your cursor or your finger down your screen, you'll see a raise hand button at the bottom.

[0:45:54] Trustee Fast: or if you're on a phone um star nine and uh so i'm um members of the local trust committee may

[0:46:04] Trustee Fast: if they wish ask questions of you following your presentation and uh but the main function is for

[0:46:10] Trustee Fast: us uh local trust committee members to listen to the views of the public it's not the function to

[0:46:16] Trustee Fast: debate with you uh so trustees won't be uh debating with you the merits of the proposed bylaw with

[0:46:23] Trustee Fast: individual citizen, it's for us to hear you in the hearing. Everybody will be given a reasonable

[0:46:29] Trustee Fast: opportunity to be heard and none should feel discouraged from presenting his or her views

[0:46:34] Trustee Fast: or their views. In considering the proposed bylaws, the local trust committee has received

[0:46:39] Trustee Fast: documents which may influence its decisions. These documents are available for review during

[0:46:45] Trustee Fast: this hearing on our website and as indicated in that public hearing notice. Feel free to look at

[0:46:50] Trustee Fast: at all any person who wishes to present a written submission oh i see this is that part i just

[0:46:56] Trustee Fast: talked about this before the close of the hearing please you're and then we will look at it at the

[0:47:02] Trustee Fast: close of before the close of the hearing your only opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaw is

[0:47:06] Trustee Fast: during this hearing as members of the local trust committee may not we we may not by rules the the

[0:47:11] Trustee Fast: provincial rules may not receive further submission after the close of the public hearing

[0:47:16] Trustee Fast: so after this public hearing is as concluded the local trust committee may without further notice

[0:47:22] Trustee Fast: make whatever decision it deems proper with respect to the bylaws that are the subject of

[0:47:27] Trustee Fast: public hearing okay so now i'm going to turn it over to um planner simpson who will summarize the

[0:47:36] Trustee Fast: public hearing notice key points of the bylaw and the referral agency responses take it away

[0:47:40] Trustee Fast: planner simpson thank

[0:47:42] Voice 20: you so a copy of the notice for this public hearing was advertised in two

[0:47:47] Voice 20: consecutive editions of the Tribune on January 13th 2021 and January 20th 2021. All notification

[0:47:54] Voice 20: requirements under the Local Government Act have been completed. There's a copy of the complete

[0:47:59] Voice 20: public hearing binder available during this public hearing and it's located on the Islands Trust

[0:48:04] Voice 20: website under the Hornby Island Local Trust Area and then under current applications. The purpose

[0:48:12] Voice 20: The purpose of proposed bylaw number 164, if adopted, is to amend the Hornby Island Official Community Plan by changing the land use designation from rural residential to small lot residential to facilitate a two lot subdivision.

[0:48:26] Voice 20: the purpose of proposed bylaw number 165 if adopted is to amend the hornby island land use

[0:48:32] Voice 20: bylaw by changing the zoning from residential two r2 to resident to residential one and reducing

[0:48:39] Voice 20: the minimum lot size from four hectares to 1.9 hectares to facilitate a two lot subdivision

[0:48:46] Voice 20: the proposed bylaw was referred to the comox valley regional district school district number

[0:48:51] Voice 20: verse 71 an islands trust freshwater specialist for comment uh the proposed bylaws both of them

[0:48:57] Voice 20: i should say um the bylaws were not referred to any first nations for comment a response was

[0:49:03] Voice 20: received from the islands trust freshwater specialist that described their observations

[0:49:07] Voice 20: from their site visit in the summer then we have received 15 public hearing submissions uh so far

[0:49:16] Voice 20: and we received 15 public hearing submissions

[0:49:23] Voice 20: as of the start of this public hearing this morning.

[0:49:26] Voice 20: Thank you Chair Fast.

[0:49:29] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Courtney, does that 15 number

[0:49:34] Trustee Fast: include the ones that we heard

[0:49:36] Trustee Fast: in the original public hearing?

[0:49:38] Trustee Fast: I just wanted to mention that we had

[0:49:40] Trustee Fast: another public hearing earlier,

[0:49:42] Trustee Fast: but so this is the total number?

[0:49:45] Voice 20: Thank you for asking.

[0:49:46] Voice 20: This is only the new public hearing submissions that were received during since the advertising for this public hearing began.

[0:49:56] Voice 20: The previously received public hearing submissions are also available to be read in the public hearing binder that I mentioned on the website.

[0:50:05] Voice 20: They're also there available to be seen.

[0:50:08] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you for the clarification.

[0:50:10] Trustee Fast: all right so um submissions can be made anytime during until the close of the meeting and we're

[0:50:17] Trustee Fast: going to pause if any written ones are received during this meeting um we'll review them before

[0:50:23] Trustee Fast: we close this public hearing uh so we've got time to read them um northphsub at islandstrust.bc.ca

[0:50:36] Trustee Fast: is that email i invite members of the public who wish to speak to raise your hand and i can

[0:50:41] Trustee Fast: see there's a couple of hands up already please state your name and your connection to the island

[0:50:46] Trustee Fast: or your address and after the presentation uh the ltc quest the trustees may ask you questions but

[0:50:51] Trustee Fast: we're mostly here to listen and we don't plan to debate with you i'll call three times for

[0:50:57] Trustee Fast: speakers before closing uh the public hearing after which known further written or oral

[0:51:03] Trustee Fast: submissions can be made. And I'm going to try and keep a list here. And here we are at 10.55

[0:51:13] Trustee Fast: commencing. So the person I've got at the top there is David Henderson. David, please go ahead.

[0:51:22] Voice 28: There we go. Unmuted. Thank you very much. Can you hear me now?

[0:51:26] Voice 28: Yes.

[0:51:26] Voice 28: Very good. Okay. So thank you, Chair Fast and Trustees Allen and Scott,

[0:51:30] Voice 28: got for allowing me to participate in this public hearing.

[0:51:34] Voice 28: So my family purchased a approximately 10 acre

[0:51:40] Voice 28: large rural residential lot adjacent

[0:51:42] Voice 28: to Dr. Wiseman's property about 20 years ago.

[0:51:45] Voice 28: At that time, it was our belief

[0:51:49] Voice 28: and it's why we purchased our property

[0:51:51] Voice 28: that we would be surrounded by other large lot

[0:51:55] Voice 28: lot, rural residential properties, essentially indefinitely, because that is why we chose to

[0:52:02] Voice 28: buy that 10-acre property. As it turned out, Dr. Wiseman did realign his two 10-acre lots

[0:52:10] Voice 28: into a single parcel of approximately eight hectares, and then went on to successfully

[0:52:16] Voice 28: subdivide that into three lots, commencing with the survey of 2011. Those two lots, which lie

[0:52:24] Voice 28: south of his property have since been cleared and developed. And the gist of it is, is that's

[0:52:29] Voice 28: left me now with three properties bordering my single 10 acre property rather than the one that

[0:52:36] Voice 28: we had always envisioned. Now there's a proposal I have yet a fourth, and that's a significant

[0:52:42] Voice 28: impact on our land and the reason that we bought a 10 acre lot. A lot of that is water under the

[0:52:52] Voice 28: bridge these lots were developed they've been cleared etc but here we are talking about yet a

[0:52:59] Voice 28: another division with yet another lot abutting against our property. I'd like to refer to the

[0:53:06] Voice 28: analysis on page two of the staff report which is the preamble to today's meeting

[0:53:11] Voice 28: and in it I think the actually the preamble from the staff makes a very good case as to why

[0:53:18] Voice 28: why this application and the by-law changes should actually be denied, but I'm going to focus on

[0:53:25] Voice 28: one aspect, and that is about this whole issue of the apparent or proposed error in the 2011 survey.

[0:53:36] Voice 28: In the staff report on page two, and I'm going to read it just for the public record, I'm not

[0:53:41] Voice 28: going to take up too much more time, but it says that in 2011, when two lots of 2.02 and 2.01

[0:53:48] Voice 28: hectares respectively were created on OSPI road from the same parent parcels of this application

[0:53:54] Voice 28: the lot sizes below four hectares were allowed pursuant to LUB section 3.1 3.4 accepting lots

[0:54:03] Voice 28: from the minimum average lot size when the purpose of the subdivision is to adjust the boundary lots

[0:54:08] Voice 28: and then the writer of this staff report underlines the following for emphasis and no

[0:54:15] Voice 28: No additional lots are created, and no lot is increased in area such that it may be further

[0:54:21] Voice 28: subdivided by the land use bylaw.

[0:54:24] Voice 28: And they go on.

[0:54:26] Voice 28: The 2011 subdivision redrew the lot lines between three lots at Osby and Fowler Road

[0:54:36] Voice 28: to create three lots, not four, that's my wording, not four.

[0:54:40] Voice 28: And this was permitted at the time, and I'm going to quote again, only if it would not

[0:54:45] Voice 28: lead to additional subdivision in the future okay now this is not me speaking this is the staff

[0:54:50] Voice 28: report this this is these are from my perspective the facts so i have to put it to the trustees

[0:54:58] Voice 28: and to your chairperson fast as well are you accepting of your own staff report that in fact

[0:55:07] Voice 28: there was never a surveying error that in fact the 8.1 hectare original property was in fact

[0:55:14] Voice 28: deliberately subdivided into three lots of 2.01, 2.02, and 3.9 hectares. And that this was an

[0:55:22] Voice 28: agreement at that time between the LTC and Dr. Wiseman, with the understanding that they would

[0:55:27] Voice 28: not, going forward, be permitted, that the parent, the remaining property would not be permitted for

[0:55:34] Voice 28: any further subdivision, which is why, in my opinion, it was set at 3.98 hectares and not

[0:55:41] Voice 28: not four. That simply settled the issue on the surveyor document. Now, Dr. Wiseman and his

[0:55:47] Voice 28: partner then, Joan Harris, signed off on that document. It's part of the public record. It's

[0:55:52] Voice 28: even part of the Island Trust myriad papers buried in these reports. And from the 2011

[0:56:01] Voice 28: surveyor document, they signed off on something that clearly showed that they were going to be

[0:56:05] Voice 28: left with 3.98 hectares, not four hectares, but 3.98. The document clearly divided the parent

[0:56:15] Voice 28: property into three, not four properties. And there was a provision that there would never be

[0:56:20] Voice 28: further subdivision of the remaining 3.9 hectares. So I'm wondering if, and I know this is not

[0:56:30] Voice 28: supposed to be a to and from, but I'm just wondering if we're all in agreement with those

[0:56:33] Voice 28: facts as provided by your own staff. This is, again, not me finding these facts. Your staff

[0:56:40] Voice 28: has put it in this very report. And if so, if there was an agreement that the original property

[0:56:48] Voice 28: was to be divided into three lots, not four, and that there would never be a further subdivision,

[0:56:53] Voice 28: my question to you, and I'll stop now, is why are we here? I mean, if you had this agreement

[0:57:01] Voice 28: with the owner, Dr. Wiseman, to allow him to develop his land in 2011 into three but not four

[0:57:07] Voice 28: lots. And why are we here now? This is not a question of correcting some past surveying error.

[0:57:14] Voice 28: There was no error. It's not a matter of variance. It simply was not. There was an agreement for

[0:57:20] Voice 28: three lots. It seems to me, and I'll stop, that to go the bylaw amendment route just opens up a

[0:57:27] Voice 28: whole can of worms. How can you change the bylaws of the community plan and the land use

[0:57:36] Voice 28: bylaw to accommodate the interest of a single landowner when that just makes it end run around

[0:57:43] Voice 28: the whole community plan process? I don't understand why that also was, that route was

[0:57:48] Voice 28: chosen. And with that, I'll stop there, but I just want to, if possible, for the trustees or

[0:57:55] Voice 28: or Chair Faust to give a response.

[0:57:57] Voice 28: Thank you very much.

[0:57:59] Trustee Fast: Thank you, David.

[0:58:01] Trustee Fast: And this is time for us to listen.

[0:58:05] Trustee Fast: And it's a hearing, not debate,

[0:58:08] Trustee Fast: but I would ask if either of the trustees wishes

[0:58:11] Trustee Fast: to ask David Henderson any questions?

[0:58:15] Trustee Fast: No, okay.

[0:58:16] Trustee Fast: Then-

[0:58:17] Trustee Scott: Just like to say it was a very succinct presentation.

[0:58:21] Trustee Scott: Thank you.

[0:58:23] Trustee Allen: Yes, I echo that.

[0:58:25] Trustee Fast: Good.

[0:58:26] Trustee Allen: Thank you, David.

[0:58:27] Trustee Fast: Thank you, David. And then the next person I've got on the list here that I see is Joan Harris. Joan, if you could indicate where you live on the island or your connection with the island, and please go ahead.

[0:58:43] Voice 27: I live over near Grassy Point, but previously I lived on this piece of property in question.

[0:58:53] Voice 27: I'm no longer a co-owner of this piece of property.

[0:58:57] Voice 27: um before i i just want to read something but before i start i just want to uh clarify make

[0:59:04] Voice 27: a correction when the there were it that eight acre hectare piece was never one lot it was always

[0:59:14] Voice 27: two lots so uh i appreciate all of your comments uh david henderson i i just wanted you to know

[0:59:25] Voice 27: it was always two lots. And now I will read this one short piece that I wrote.

[0:59:32] Voice 27: This property was originally created as part of a rezoning of Seabreeze many years ago when the

[0:59:37] Voice 27: lodge property became one parcel and four 10-acre residential lots were created requiring creation

[0:59:43] Voice 27: of a new road to accommodate the change. Lot one, which is the lot that David Wiseman lives on,

[0:59:52] Voice 27: is slightly smaller than 10 acres because of how the road was laid out and was still considered 10 acres.

[1:00:00] Voice 27: since creation of the road was what reduced its size.

[1:00:03] Voice 27: The lots were all long and narrow.

[1:00:07] Voice 27: Tony Quinn, who was a planner,

[1:00:09] Voice 27: later measured out the lot lines

[1:00:11] Voice 27: for the original lot line adjustments of lots one and two,

[1:00:16] Voice 27: which turned the two long narrow 10 acre lots

[1:00:21] Voice 27: into two square 10 acre lots.

[1:00:24] Voice 27: However, when the survey was completed,

[1:00:27] Voice 27: stated lot two ended up 5.02 acres and lot one was two one hundredths of an acre short of 10 acres

[1:00:34] Voice 27: thus making it too small for a straightforward subdivision. The owner of lot two was willing to

[1:00:41] Voice 27: have the lot line moved so his lot would be five acres reduced from 5.02 and lot one would be

[1:00:48] Voice 27: returned to a designation of 10 acres. However when someone at Islands Trust learned the intention

[1:00:54] Voice 27: The intention behind moving the lot line was to follow up with a legal subdivision into two five-acre lots.

[1:01:00] Voice 27: The lot line adjustment was not approved.

[1:01:05] Voice 27: Dividing lot one into two lots would be in accord with the community plan of turning the initial two 10-acre rural residential lots into four five-acre lots.

[1:01:21] Voice 27: No other subdivision would occur.

[1:01:25] Voice 27: Considering this history, I support the rezoning. It maintains the density already allowed in the

[1:01:35] Voice 27: official community plan. Thank

[1:01:40] Trustee Fast: you very much, Joan. And trustees, do you have questions for

[1:01:44] Trustee Fast: Joan or do you wish to move on? No? Okay. Then I'm going to, hearing none, I'm going to move on then.

[1:01:51] Trustee Fast: in. Thank you, Joan. And the next speaker is Goya Negan. Goya, if you would like to confirm your

[1:01:58] Trustee Fast: name, I guess, and tell us where you are on the island. Yes, my name is Goya

[1:02:04] Voice 9: Negan, and I own the

[1:02:07] Voice 9: property to the north of the Wiseman property, along with my sister, what used to be Wayne Gans

[1:02:16] Voice 9: property and um i was actually born 52 years ago and we lived at that same property so i i i know

[1:02:32] Voice 9: that area quite well um i'm opposed to the subdivision because of the change in designation

[1:02:43] Voice 9: from rural residential to small lot residential,

[1:02:49] Voice 9: which to me, well, it conjures up images of Sandpiper

[1:02:55] Voice 9: and Whaling Station and Galleon Beach,

[1:02:58] Voice 9: which have a more suburban character

[1:03:02] Voice 9: compared to what this area has currently,

[1:03:08] Voice 9: which is a much more rural and agricultural character.

[1:03:12] Voice 9: and if we have one lot that becomes small lot residential we feel that this opens up a precedent

[1:03:28] Voice 9: so that others will try to subdivide and get that same designation and you know we we fear for the

[1:03:39] Voice 9: character of the neighborhood should that happen. As well, people have bought properties

[1:03:49] Voice 9: on the assumption that this is the character and that properties would not be subdivided

[1:03:59] Voice 9: such as the Hendersons and the Wiltshires and you know they've had their real the Wiltshires

[1:04:06] Voice 9: had their realtor do due diligence to check that that was not subdividable and that's

[1:04:12] Voice 9: how they sort of decided to buy that property um as well the uh in buried in all this information

[1:04:26] Voice 9: that i was reading there's um a covenant from 2008 and it's between david wiseman and joan harris

[1:04:35] Voice 9: and the hornby islands local trust committee from 2008 it's a covenant and in it

[1:04:45] Voice 9: item 3.a it says the owner's covenant and agree with the trust committee that the new parcel and

[1:04:58] Voice 9: the remainder parcel so that's when they divided the the big piece into two shall not be further

[1:05:06] Voice 9: subdivided pursuant to s 946 of the local government act and so i'm wondering if that

[1:05:15] Voice 9: That was indeed what I understand it to be, a covenant that states it shall not further be subdivided why we are here today.

[1:05:29] Voice 9: day and if um if the those people who will be making the decisions could please look at that

[1:05:41] Voice 9: and and try and figure out why why why we can go around a cover covenant it doesn't make me

[1:05:49] Voice 9: feel very confident about what a covenant means um you know people would like to do nature

[1:05:57] Voice 9: your government covenants and so on on the island and i just i don't understand why um why

[1:06:07] Voice 9: you can all of a sudden change that it doesn't make me feel too confident putting a covenant

[1:06:14] Voice 9: on a property you know knowing that down the line something else could happen so that's my comment

[1:06:23] Voice 9: today thank

[1:06:24] Trustee Fast: you very much Goya okay that's great and uh questions for the um for Goya

[1:06:33] Trustee Fast: seeing none um I'm going to go to Alan Fletcher Alan Fletcher if you could confirm your name

[1:06:40] Trustee Fast: sometimes people use other people's phones or computers and um where you live on the island

[1:06:46] Trustee Fast: thank you go ahead can

[1:06:49] Voice 13: you hear me yep excellent yeah so I'm Alan Fletcher um I was born in

[1:06:54] Voice 13: 1962 on this road. I'm 59 years old and so originally when I was born we owned 146 acres

[1:07:06] Voice 13: on either side of this road, Osby Road. I currently live at 1505 Osby Road and I also own

[1:07:13] Voice 13: or sorry 1505 Osby Road is part of our farm and I have 4755 Fowler Road which is where our home is.

[1:07:23] Voice 13: the part that i i'm disturbed by in this process and i'm going to refer to rob taylor's letter

[1:07:29] Voice 13: which is very succinct and explains in detail what i would expect the planner to have gone through

[1:07:37] Voice 13: before this proposal got to where we are today um i'm i'm it's david weisman is a neighbor

[1:07:43] Voice 13: and he's a friend he was my doctor when i was growing up um i don't like being in the position

[1:07:49] Voice 13: that i'm in now where i'm having to say to him no you can't do that but my question or my concern

[1:07:56] Voice 13: is the process to which the trust has got us to today to goya's point to the previous comments

[1:08:05] Voice 13: that have been made is why are we even discussing this there's a covenant on the property there are

[1:08:10] Voice 13: many reasons why this property was not allowed to be subdivided it's it just dumbfounds me why

[1:08:18] Voice 13: why we're here. And I don't even I don't understand. I mean, our mandate given to the

[1:08:24] Voice 13: Allen's Trust in 1973 or 74, whenever it was created was to preserve and protect. This is

[1:08:30] Voice 13: going right against everything that the Allen's Trust is to stand for. And I don't know why we're

[1:08:34] Voice 13: here. I'm just confused. That's all I have to say.

[1:08:39] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, Alan. And now I see

[1:08:47] Trustee Fast: Robert Taylor. Robert, if you would like to confirm where you live on the island and that

[1:08:52] Trustee Fast: it is actually you that is speaking. Thank you. Go ahead.

[1:08:56] Voice 4: This is Robert Taylor. We have a place

[1:09:00] Voice 4: at 5005 Fowler Road, across the street from the subject property. Again, like Alan Fletcher said,

[1:09:10] Voice 4: said, I have no beef with David. And really, I was quite neutral about this. But when I looked

[1:09:23] Voice 4: at the documentation that came out from the planners, the first staff report, when I looked

[1:09:31] Voice 4: at the drawing in there, I'm an engineer, I look at drawings rather closely. And the first thing I

[1:09:37] Voice 4: saw was that there was a section 219 covenant signed off by the doctor and Joan Harris in the

[1:09:45] Voice 4: corner of the 2008 subdivision. And I was very surprised that that document was not part of the

[1:09:52] Voice 4: package. And so I pulled the title on the property and there's the covenant. Covenant applies to the

[1:10:01] Voice 4: the current lot, the subject lot, we're talking about subdividing. And so actually I asked the

[1:10:10] Voice 4: staff at the Galliano Island office for a copy of the covenant itself, which they were able to

[1:10:17] Voice 4: produce within an hour. So, and the covenant is quite clear. Has it already? Yes, it has been

[1:10:27] Voice 4: been already already been read it comes with a preamble which is quite interesting that's

[1:10:34] Voice 4: called the land title act form c the person who took that form c out was eric horberger who's

[1:10:42] Voice 4: the surveyor who apparently makes all these errors well he didn't make many errors on this

[1:10:48] Voice 4: his signature is sitting on his name is on the top of this document which is the cover page for

[1:10:54] Voice 4: the covenant and the covenant itself says the property will not be further developed. As I say

[1:11:01] Voice 4: that covenant is still registered on title with the land title office. So surveyor error?

[1:11:12] Voice 4: I don't think so. I mean he was a party to a document that said there would be no further

[1:11:17] Voice 4: subdivision unless it's someone's implying that the surveyor was conspiring to break the covenant

[1:11:24] Voice 4: from the get-go, and I don't think that's, I don't believe in that. Surveyors have a code of ethics.

[1:11:33] Voice 4: Number two is that they will provide services in a completely unbiased manner to ensure that

[1:11:38] Voice 4: the interests of the client do not take precedence over the interests of society as a whole.

[1:11:44] Voice 4: It's very clear. So I think the whole idea of a surveyor error has to be entirely set aside.

[1:11:51] Voice 4: that's it's not true finally other people have mentioned this but the way that this

[1:12:02] Voice 4: this is a denied denied application it was applied for in 2016 it was i believe correctly

[1:12:11] Voice 4: denied because of insufficient land and um the way this is being done by uh changing the

[1:12:22] Voice 4: the zoning of the property, I think is a terrible idea, really a terrible idea.

[1:12:31] Voice 4: As Alan Fletcher said, it's completely the opposite of what the Island Trust is all about.

[1:12:37] Voice 4: I think the land use bylaw number 150 would be seriously injured by this.

[1:12:44] Voice 4: For a start, there's a language in that document that names all the places that can be lot size R1.

[1:12:56] Voice 4: Shinglespit, Galleon Beach, Sandpiper, Whaling Station, Anderson Drive, Claverlot.

[1:13:02] Voice 4: This bylaw proposes to remove all that language, which to me is open season on the whole damned island.

[1:13:09] Voice 4: That's not a great idea.

[1:13:11] Voice 4: Yeah. And in any case, bylaws 149 is utterly unambiguous on this subject.

[1:13:19] Voice 4: It's in my letter. No new small loss will be created.

[1:13:26] Voice 4: Which word are we struggling with? That's very clear language.

[1:13:31] Voice 4: So I guess I'll go with what Alan said. Why are we here?

[1:13:36] Voice 4: This seems like a misguided process. Thank you.

[1:13:41] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, Robert.

[1:13:44] Trustee Fast: Does, trustees, you have questions for Robert?

[1:13:49] Trustee Fast: Okay, then thank you very much.

[1:13:51] Trustee Fast: And I'm going to go on now to Greg Wilcher.

[1:13:54] Trustee Fast: Greg, if you could confirm your name and your connection with the island where you are.

[1:14:01] Voice 5: Hi.

[1:14:03] Voice 5: Hello.

[1:14:03] Voice 5: I'm on Greg's computer.

[1:14:06] Voice 5: And who are you?

[1:14:07] Voice 5: Barbara Woodley, Greg's wife.

[1:14:09] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:14:10] Voice 5: I'm at 1760 Osby.

[1:14:12] Voice 5: be and um i'm hearing uh a lot of questions as to why why are we in this spot and it's great

[1:14:21] Voice 5: question i mean all the other answers it would be a moot point to go through any surveying or

[1:14:29] Voice 5: or any of the bylaws because they're written down they're cut and dried but but the answer as to why

[1:14:38] Voice 5: Why? And I believe it's because we're from a small community and we do our very best to be kind to each other.

[1:14:47] Voice 5: And I think two of the trustees were really trying to demonstrate a lot of compassion to the applicant, should there have been a surveying error.

[1:14:56] Voice 5: But the bottom line is there was no error. There's laws up and down and all around the corner to say no to this thing.

[1:15:03] Voice 5: that they were trying to be compassionate but the bottom line is the land has simply reached

[1:15:09] Voice 5: its maximum subdivision potential and it's my hope that the applicant in his extremely tenacious

[1:15:17] Voice 5: pursuit will reflect upon the situation in which both the neighbors and the trustees are finding

[1:15:23] Voice 5: themselves today i'm hoping that the applicant will see that this third subdivision on his

[1:15:30] Voice 5: property is not justifiable and that he remains aware of the rightful and substantial compensation

[1:15:37] Voice 5: he's already received so far for his first two subdivisions and consequently this will then

[1:15:44] Voice 5: allow the trustees to faultlessly carry out their responsibilities to the community of hornby thank

[1:15:51] Voice 5: you thank

[1:15:52] Trustee Fast: you barbara okay woodley and i'm not seeing any more hands up but there is still time

[1:16:01] Trustee Fast: I'm gonna call a couple more times for submissions and and there's still time

[1:16:07] Trustee Fast: to send in your written one if you haven't pressed send on that button yet

[1:16:12] Trustee Fast: no more submissions I'm going to stay here and I've seen more hands coming up

[1:16:19] Trustee Fast: okay thank you for those raising your hands I'm gonna go with Susanna Morse

[1:16:26] Trustee Fast: Susanna can you confirm your name and your connection with the island where

[1:16:31] Trustee Fast: you are you'll need to yeah yes

[1:16:36] Voice 2: okay thank you um my name is Susanna Morse um we're the owners

[1:16:40] Voice 2: of the property at 1435 Osby Road and therefore one of the closest neighbors to this property

[1:16:47] Voice 2: that's under consideration for rezoning um many of the things I expected to say have already been

[1:16:55] Voice 2: said. And I particularly feel close to what Barbara has just said to you all. But at any

[1:17:07] Voice 2: rate, we read all of the documents provided on the Island's Trouble website because we respect

[1:17:15] Voice 2: Dr. Wiseman and have had a friendly relationship with him. But we were also aware that Dr. Wiseman

[1:17:21] Voice 2: had already subdivided and sold two properties of his original parcel in the last few years.

[1:17:27] Voice 2: And these lots were substantially clear-cut and have impacted the overall ecosystem.

[1:17:34] Voice 2: To expect that this won't happen to the new lots is to rely on hope alone.

[1:17:41] Voice 2: I would like to remind the trustees once again of Section 6.3.3 of the Official Community Plan

[1:17:50] Voice 2: that states retention of large parcels is now considered a primary objective.

[1:17:56] Voice 2: I think that providing an exception for this site and rewriting bylaws to do so would set a dangerous precedent that's at odds with the OCP.

[1:18:11] Voice 2: I think Goya made that very clear in her submission.

[1:18:20] Voice 2: As well, that staff report of April 27, 2018 meeting notes that this proposal would increase

[1:18:32] Voice 2: density within the RR land use designation, which is contrary to OCP objectives.

[1:18:39] Voice 2: The OCP indicates there is no need for further residential density by way of subdivision

[1:18:46] Voice 2: at this time.

[1:18:47] Voice 2: time. Furthermore, this proposal does not offer a demonstrable community benefit. I

[1:18:53] Voice 2: think it's very unfortunate that this original staff report and the staff report of September

[1:18:59] Voice 2: 13, 2019, with recommendations to deny this application, were not followed. It has put

[1:19:08] Voice 2: neighbors in the unfortunate position of opposing their neighbor. However, we hope that you

[1:19:14] Voice 2: will take into consideration the concerns of all the neighbors who have submitted their letters to

[1:19:21] Voice 2: you i i think that kind of sums everything else i was going to say i think has been has been said

[1:19:31] Voice 2: thanks okay

[1:19:32] Trustee Fast: thank you susannah thanks for your consideration with the time during the meeting

[1:19:36] Trustee Fast: and uh i take your point um i'm going to go now to uh unless the trustees have questions i'm not

[1:19:45] Trustee Fast: seeing that. I'm going to go now to Eleonora Laffin. Eleonora, if you could, oh, she just

[1:19:51] Trustee Fast: disappeared. Rats. I'm hoping she just pushed the wrong button and will come back. There she is.

[1:20:00] Trustee Fast: Eleonora, if you could, very good. Coming, there we go. Please go ahead, state your name for the

[1:20:07] Trustee Fast: record and your connection, your location on the island.

[1:20:11] Voice 15: My name is Eleonora Laffin. I'm celebrating

[1:20:14] Voice 15: my 50th year of living on this beautiful island and I live on Osby Road just up the road. I'm just

[1:20:20] Voice 15: going to reiterate what a lot of people have said. I'd like to say this should not be about getting

[1:20:24] Voice 15: your friends to write letters in favor of support of these bylaws. It should be what's right for

[1:20:29] Voice 15: this piece of land. Excuse me. Most importantly is the precedent setting if these bylaws are

[1:20:35] Voice 15: approved. Already there are people lining up in fairness to request subdivision of the already

[1:20:41] Voice 15: already two small lots. And I just really fear this is opening something that we don't want to

[1:20:45] Voice 15: see. Thanks. Thank

[1:20:47] Trustee Fast: you very much, Eleonora. And Christina, I think you're up next. Christina

[1:20:53] Trustee Fast: Laffin.

[1:20:56] Voice 16: Yes, thank you. I am the daughter of Eleonora Laffin, who you've just heard from.

[1:21:02] Voice 16: I was born and raised on Hornby. I was born literally almost to the day 48 years ago on

[1:21:10] Voice 16: on Osprey Road at 2150 Osprey Road.

[1:21:14] Voice 16: And I'm thrilled to see all of the Hornby kids

[1:21:16] Voice 16: out here representing, and I look forward to them being,

[1:21:19] Voice 16: you know, continued work on, you know, preserving

[1:21:25] Voice 16: and protecting Hornby and keeping it so vital.

[1:21:27] Voice 16: I'm a long time neighbor obviously of Dr. David Wiseman,

[1:21:32] Voice 16: although I'm currently employed

[1:21:33] Voice 16: at the University of British Columbia,

[1:21:34] Voice 16: and I have spent the majority of the past year

[1:21:37] Voice 16: here working from my family home during the pandemic.

[1:21:40] Voice 16: And so I don't wanna reiterate too much.

[1:21:42] Voice 16: You've heard the same messages,

[1:21:44] Voice 16: I think from everybody who's spoken today on Osprey Road,

[1:21:49] Voice 16: Mr. Ryan May, Dr. David Henderson,

[1:21:51] Voice 16: and again, Mr. Alan Fletcher, Mr. Robert Taylor,

[1:21:54] Voice 16: Mrs. Anna Morrison, my mother,

[1:21:57] Voice 16: which really asks, why are we here?

[1:21:59] Voice 16: And I think there's a real sympathy or empathy

[1:22:01] Voice 16: for the fact that we've had to,

[1:22:02] Voice 16: all of us has dedicated hours and hours

[1:22:05] Voice 16: to looking at the materials

[1:22:06] Voice 16: And there's this feeling of why has the trust had to spend so many hours doing this when there are probably more productive ways to think about keeping Army going.

[1:22:18] Voice 16: We've heard, and the facts have been laid out, there was no surveying error, the lot size is inadequate, there was a covenant in place to prevent further subdivision.

[1:22:27] Voice 16: And there's no public benefit in this bylaw change proposal, as you have heard Planner Simpson iterate today.

[1:22:34] Voice 16: day. So those are the facts. I think it's painful to us because, you know, Dr. Wiseman is a friend,

[1:22:41] Voice 16: a respected person in our community, and to me, and somebody who has obviously cared for me quite

[1:22:46] Voice 16: literally, you know, through my life, I'm a doctor on Hornby. But as a child on Hornby, I really would

[1:22:52] Voice 16: ask us to think about, you know, how that's changed over the years, and the subdividing and

[1:23:03] Voice 16: the will of, you know, and the whim of applicants for really private profit, right? And so we've

[1:23:08] Voice 16: seen summer residents purchase property, which then gets Airbnb'd or VRBO'd. You can simply

[1:23:16] Voice 16: log into any of those sites to see tons of examples of that. So this is not any solution

[1:23:21] Voice 16: to unaffordability or insufficient housing on Herndy. And so I really worry about the precedent

[1:23:29] Voice 16: being set here. We have already seen in the trust documents a petition lobbying for yet more

[1:23:36] Voice 16: subdivision which I cannot see as being unrelated to the issues that are here on the table now.

[1:23:42] Voice 16: And so my plea is just to recognize those facts which have been amply laid out,

[1:23:47] Voice 16: to recognize the OCP which says that we must preserve large lots of land as so many people

[1:23:56] Voice 16: have said and also just really thank everybody for the time and effort and many hours that went

[1:24:01] Voice 16: into constructing the literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of documents which I have

[1:24:06] Voice 16: have read. Thank you.

[1:24:08] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much and excuse the sound of the printer behind me here.

[1:24:14] Trustee Fast: I've got, by the way, we've got three people in this household that are in Zoom meetings at the

[1:24:20] Trustee Fast: the moment. So excuse the office situation. I'm going to, I don't see any more hands up,

[1:24:29] Trustee Fast: but there is still time to raise your hand to be heard on this application, on this public hearing.

[1:24:37] Trustee Fast: So I'm keeping an eye on that. There's still time to hit send on your email if you're sending it in

[1:24:44] Trustee Fast: that way but I'm going to I'm going to call whoops where's that part I'm gonna

[1:24:54] Trustee Fast: call three times for speakers and before closing the public hearing at which

[1:25:00] Trustee Fast: point no more written or oral submissions can be made so I'm gonna

[1:25:03] Trustee Fast: call a first time any more speakers for this public hearing I'm gonna call a

[1:25:11] Trustee Fast: second time second time any more speakers go

[1:25:16] Trustee Scott: ahead

[1:25:18] Trustee Fast: trustee Scott I just

[1:25:19] Trustee Scott: wonder when I can make a comment good now or well

[1:25:23] Trustee Fast: I think it would be best of

[1:25:25] Trustee Fast: save your comment until six point one when we're actually conferring together

[1:25:30] Trustee Fast: as the local trust committee on okay thank you and I'm gonna call a third

[1:25:35] Trustee Fast: Third time now for any final submissions

[1:25:40] Trustee Fast: to do with this public hearing.

[1:25:43] Trustee Fast: Anymore?

[1:25:45] Voice 17: Okay.

[1:25:45] Voice 17: I just want to make

[1:25:46] Voice 17: you aware, Chair Fast,

[1:25:48] Voice 17: that we have two written submissions

[1:25:49] Voice 17: that Penny can send in now, if you like.

[1:25:53] Trustee Fast: Very good, then I'm going to close this public hearing.

[1:25:56] Trustee Fast: Sorry, I'm going to close this portion of the public hearing

[1:26:00] Trustee Fast: so that trustees can read those submissions

[1:26:03] Trustee Fast: that have been sent in.

[1:26:04] Trustee Fast: and um so we're going to stay in view we're going to just turn off our microphones

[1:26:09] Trustee Fast: find them i think they're coming in by email is that right will yes that's right okay um so that

[1:26:16] Trustee Fast: we can um read these uh submissions so i'm just going to pull up my email here it will be coming

[1:26:26] Trustee Fast: from from penny from penny i see them there okay great thank you one from ron emerson

[1:26:40] Trustee Fast: and another one from Joan Harris very short thank you very much Ron Emerson and Joan Harris okay

[1:27:05] Trustee Fast: trustees if you could let me know when you finished reading the submissions finished

[1:27:22] Voice 23: okay

[1:27:23] Trustee Fast: trustee

[1:27:36] Trustee Fast: Scott you finished yes thank you

[1:27:39] Trustee Fast: thank you just checking okay then then I would like to close the

[1:27:44] Trustee Fast: public hearing um please note after this um we cannot by law uh receive any more submissions

[1:27:52] Trustee Fast: on this uh application on this uh prior to making a decision which we're going to go to next

[1:27:59] Trustee Fast: so um i'm going to ask once more second no i did that already again last call the public

[1:28:10] Trustee Fast: submissions second time third time and that's it i'm going to close the public hearing now thank

[1:28:23] Trustee Fast: you everybody for your patience we wanted to make sure everybody had a chance to have their say

[1:28:28] Trustee Fast: so now we're in this post public hearing stage of the legislative review of proposed bylaws 164

[1:28:36] Trustee Fast: and 165 and uh so we cannot now we can't receive any more information pertaining to the proposed

[1:28:44] Trustee Fast: bylaws but you can still send any outstanding questions or comments directly to the planner

[1:28:51] Trustee Fast: so that's c simpson at islandstrust.bc.ca or any of the numbers that you've got address it to to her

[1:28:59] Trustee Fast: and the LTC can give further readings to the bylaw at this point after this or we can defeat

[1:29:07] Trustee Fast: the bylaw or we can make little amendments that minor amendments that do not affect use or density

[1:29:12] Trustee Fast: without further notice or hearings so that's the point that we're at so I'd like to reconvene the

[1:29:18] Trustee Fast: meeting so that the LTC is able to consider options regarding these two bylaws and I'm just

[1:29:23] Trustee Fast: going to close my door a little more another meeting has started in the other room one sec

[1:29:28] Trustee Fast: thank you sometimes dogs and cats open it and people coming to the printer all right so I'm

[1:29:41] Trustee Fast: going to close this script go back to my agenda so we're going to recall our

[1:29:50] Trustee Fast: local trust committee to order now that the public hearing is closed and now

[1:29:54] Trustee Fast: we're in section six of our agenda which is applications referrals and bylaws six

[1:29:59] Trustee Fast: point

[1:30:00] Trustee Fast: is our consideration of Hornby RZ 2018.1.

[1:30:07] Trustee Fast: This is the Wiseman bylaws number 164 and 165,

[1:30:11] Trustee Fast: the staff report and decision.

[1:30:14] Trustee Fast: So we're on page four of our agenda here.

[1:30:18] Trustee Fast: Where am I?

[1:30:19] Trustee Fast: There we go.

[1:30:20] Trustee Fast: And I'm wondering if,

[1:30:25] Trustee Fast: do staff have anything else they want to say to us?

[1:30:30] Trustee Fast: Courtney?

[1:30:30] Trustee Fast: me

[1:30:32] Voice 20: um thank you if you if you wish i can provide a brief introduction to the staff report and the

[1:30:37] Voice 20: options i

[1:30:38] Trustee Fast: think that would be good just to give us a little paragraph into in between thank you go

[1:30:43] Trustee Fast: ahead

[1:30:43] Voice 20: okay thank you so

[1:30:45] Trustee Fast: this staff report was

[1:30:46] Trustee Fast: written uh

[1:30:47] Voice 20: obviously before today's public hearing

[1:30:49] Voice 20: and it does provide a summary of the comments received at the first public hearing

[1:30:54] Voice 20: and the recommendation in the staff report is merely that the hornby island local trust committee

[1:31:00] Voice 20: committee review the public hearing submissions from today and the previous hearing and provide

[1:31:05] Voice 20: further direction.

[1:31:07] Voice 20: And if the direction is to advance the proposed bylaws then there is A through E resolutions

[1:31:15] Voice 20: that the local motions that the local trust committee would need to make to advance the

[1:31:20] Voice 20: bylaw.

[1:31:21] Voice 20: The other

[1:31:22] Voice 20: options that are provided down on page 7 of the agenda package for the staff

[1:31:29] Voice 20: report the alternatives or that the local trust committee may request further information um

[1:31:34] Voice 20: i may deny the applicant or may deny the application thank you thank

[1:31:39] Trustee Fast: you very much

[1:31:40] Trustee Fast: planner simpson and uh trustees we have recommendations in front of us here um

[1:31:47] Trustee Fast: can i open it for uh discussion who would like to speak first oh i think i saw grant's finger first

[1:31:55] Trustee Fast: go ahead Grant.

[1:31:57] Trustee Scott: Well first of all just like this my I'd like to thank everybody

[1:32:03] Trustee Scott: for their contributions today and I'd like to thank the people that phoned me

[1:32:08] Trustee Scott: about this and I really take what Barbara said there to heart when she I

[1:32:17] Trustee Scott: kind of know how to say this but come I took what I was trying to do I guess

[1:32:24] Trustee Scott: was, I don't know, trying to be compassionate, I suppose. I jumped to a conclusion and I think

[1:32:31] Trustee Scott: in hindsight, I might've jumped a little too quickly. A lot of people said the angst that

[1:32:36] Trustee Scott: was created by carrying on with this, I didn't realize about the covenant. I didn't realize this

[1:32:43] Trustee Scott: is my lack of experience, I guess, with the truck. I didn't realize some of the processes had gone

[1:32:51] Trustee Scott: on ahead of time and I guess I got kind of hung up

[1:32:55] Trustee Scott: on that narrow little piece and as it turns out,

[1:32:58] Trustee Scott: the four acres couldn't be subdivided,

[1:33:00] Trustee Scott: even if it were four hectares, it couldn't be subdivided.

[1:33:03] Trustee Scott: So I just want to say that's the background

[1:33:06] Trustee Scott: to where I am now when we proceed with this.

[1:33:11] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[1:33:12] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Scott.

[1:33:14] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[1:33:17] Trustee Allen: Well, I'd like to apologize to a lot of the

[1:33:20] Trustee Allen: the public that um spoke today and wrote letters because uh you know i didn't know they were in

[1:33:30] Trustee Allen: the hearing binder i always assume they're attached to our package and um in terms of

[1:33:35] Trustee Allen: the submissions and that's why i'd ask for more information more time um and i didn't know about

[1:33:40] Trustee Allen: the covenant either and um and i too like grant was as barbara woolley noted was trying to make

[1:33:49] Trustee Allen: do something compassionate about that it was just some sort of a mistake and um it turns out it

[1:33:56] Trustee Allen: isn't and um disregarding to that last email from Joan Harris is where is the covenant at and um

[1:34:04] Trustee Allen: if Courtney could address that because I don't get this anymore and I'm yeah and I really I want to

[1:34:11] Trustee Allen: apologize to everyone because I feel like I really messed up here um because what's the word

[1:34:21] Trustee Allen: I actually was really scared to even come to this meeting this morning.

[1:34:23] Trustee Allen: I was being up all last night just because we do.

[1:34:28] Trustee Allen: We do try and make everybody happy, right?

[1:34:30] Trustee Allen: We try to.

[1:34:30] Trustee Allen: And as we know, sometimes it doesn't work.

[1:34:34] Trustee Allen: So, yeah, I just want to once again, especially apologize to Christina Laffin.

[1:34:40] Trustee Allen: I hear you and I hear all of you.

[1:34:42] Trustee Allen: And I just wanted to preface that before we go on further discussion.

[1:34:47] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:34:47] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Allen.

[1:34:50] Trustee Fast: Alan and I think I heard a question in there for the planner

[1:34:53] Trustee Fast: that was the covenant

[1:34:55] Trustee Fast: if you're still with us

[1:34:56] Trustee Fast: is the section two is there still a covenant on the title?

[1:35:01] Voice 20: Thank you if this rezoning does proceed

[1:35:05] Voice 20: we'd have to take a closer look at that

[1:35:07] Voice 20: and if the covenant could may require to be discharged

[1:35:13] Voice 20: and that can happen a covenant can certainly be discharged

[1:35:17] Voice 20: if the local trust committee is signaling

[1:35:19] Voice 20: that they want to continue with this and adopt the rezoning,

[1:35:22] Voice 20: then if the covenant has to be discharged,

[1:35:25] Voice 20: that would be a future step.

[1:35:27] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:35:28] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[1:35:29] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[1:35:30] Trustee Fast: Would somebody like to make a motion or Trustee Scott?

[1:35:34] Trustee Scott: I'd like to make a motion on page seven

[1:35:36] Trustee Scott: to deny the application that the LTC,

[1:35:41] Trustee Scott: well, I don't know exactly what the wording is,

[1:35:43] Trustee Scott: but that the LTC denied the application.

[1:35:48] Trustee Scott: Can you give me the wording there, Courtney?

[1:35:53] Trustee Fast: I think it would be, go ahead, Courtney.

[1:35:59] Voice 20: Yeah, I'm just taking a moment here.

[1:36:01] Voice 20: Yes.

[1:36:02] Trustee Scott: Yeah, take your time, sure.

[1:36:05] Voice 20: At this point, I'd recommend that the motion would be,

[1:36:10] Voice 20: because we have bylaws that have been proposed

[1:36:13] Voice 20: and have been given readings,

[1:36:15] Voice 20: I would, I think two motions that say to proceed no further

[1:36:20] Voice 20: with each of those bylaws so I think we could take recommendations A and B in

[1:36:25] Voice 20: the staff report so we can have the proper citation and say that the

[1:36:31] Voice 20: Hornby Island Local Trust Committee proceed no further with bylaw 164 and

[1:36:37] Voice 20: then the rest of that and then repeat that proceed no further bylaw 165 as

[1:36:42] Voice 20: those two separate motions thank

[1:36:44] Trustee Scott: you so hold on a minute Sue can I just comment

[1:36:48] Trustee Scott: comment courtney i want to make sure we get this absolutely right so maybe you and heather do you

[1:36:53] Trustee Scott: want to take take a couple of minutes and just get those two the two motions are are you comfortable

[1:36:59] Trustee Scott: with what you said i don't want to put anybody on the spot

[1:37:02] Voice 20: that's a good idea thank you

[1:37:03] Trustee Scott: okay could

[1:37:05] Trustee Scott: you do that swell and just call a brief time out

[1:37:07] Voice 8: um planning manager tower yep two minutes and we

[1:37:12] Voice 8: can type that up and have it posted on the screen for you very

[1:37:15] Trustee Fast: good thank you two minute break we're

[1:37:17] Trustee Fast: We're going to come back at 1144.

[1:37:20] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:37:22] Voice 8: Courtney, do you want to type those out

[1:37:24] Voice 8: and maybe email them to me?

[1:38:36] Voice 20: Okay, I've just typed them out and sent them to Heather.

[1:38:57] Voice 8: Okay, and I've received them

[1:38:58] Voice 8: and I'll post them when we get back.

[1:40:23] Voice 22: Hello,

[1:40:23] Trustee Scott: Sue Ellen, are you there?

[1:40:24] Trustee Scott: Grant.

[1:40:30] Trustee Fast: Yes, I am.

[1:40:32] Trustee Scott: I've got another Zoom at 2.15.

[1:40:36] Trustee Scott: Given the agenda, do you think I'm going to make that?

[1:40:40] Trustee Fast: I

[1:40:40] Trustee Scott: know the meeting's supposed to be over at two.

[1:40:43] Trustee Fast: Yeah I think you will. Okay good.

[1:41:23] Voice 8: So Will if we could get you to stop sharing. Yep there we go.

[1:41:33] Trustee Fast: Okay I think we're reassembled. I see the top of Trustee Allen's head. There we go. And so I'm

[1:41:40] Trustee Fast: going to call us back to order. Meetings in session and it looks like we've got a couple

[1:41:47] Trustee Fast: of motions in front of us that the planners have conferred about. Planner Simpson anything else you

[1:41:54] Trustee Fast: you want to say?

[1:41:58] Voice 19: No, thank you.

[1:41:59] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[1:42:01] Trustee Fast: So Trustee Scott, are you making these motions?

[1:42:04] Trustee Scott: I will.

[1:42:05] Trustee Scott: Shall I read them out?

[1:42:06] Trustee Fast: Yes, please.

[1:42:09] Trustee Scott: That the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[1:42:11] Trustee Scott: proceed no further than bylaw number 164

[1:42:14] Trustee Scott: cited as Hornby Island official community plan 214

[1:42:19] Trustee Scott: amendment number 1, 2020.

[1:42:25] Trustee Scott: And so they're separate.

[1:42:26] Trustee Fast: Let's just do them individually.

[1:42:28] Trustee Scott: Do I

[1:42:28] Trustee Fast: have a seconder?

[1:42:29] Trustee Scott: up for me. Where's my hand?

[1:42:32] Trustee Fast: I can't see it. Oh, there we go. Are you

[1:42:35] Trustee Fast: seconding that? Just say.

[1:42:36] Trustee Allen: Yes, second.

[1:42:38] Trustee Fast: Thank you. And discussion? Then I'm going to call the question. All those in favor?

[1:42:47] Trustee Allen: Aye.

[1:42:48] Trustee Fast: Okay, aye. So that's unanimously, that motion has passed. Thank you. And the second one,

[1:42:55] Trustee Fast: Grant, did you want to move this motion?

[1:42:57] Trustee Scott: Yes, please. Go ahead.

[1:42:59] Trustee Scott: That Hornby Island

[1:43:00] Trustee Scott: of local trust committee proceed no further with bylaw number 165 cited as Ormby Island bylaw 214

[1:43:07] Trustee Scott: amended amendment number 2 2020.

[1:43:11] Trustee Fast: Land use bylaw. Very good. Do

[1:43:14] Trustee Fast: I have a seconder? Second.

[1:43:16] Trustee Fast: Thank you

[1:43:16] Trustee Fast: and any more discussion?

[1:43:19] Trustee Allen: Well I'd like to just say that when this goes through I have a question

[1:43:26] Trustee Allen: for the planner can i ask something

[1:43:30] Trustee Allen: now or should i wait till the i think you should

[1:43:32] Trustee Fast: ask now before

[1:43:33] Trustee Fast: we make the decision like

[1:43:36] Trustee Allen: there was one letter that mentioned in terms of costs that uh mr weisman's

[1:43:41] Trustee Allen: already or dr weisman's already incurred they had mentioned possibly that we could reimburse the

[1:43:48] Trustee Allen: costs has that ever been done before um

[1:43:54] Voice 20: i will look at the fees bylaw we have a fees bylaw that

[1:43:57] Voice 20: that clearly lays out at what refunds can happen,

[1:44:02] Voice 20: can be given back to the applicant

[1:44:03] Voice 20: when something isn't completed.

[1:44:05] Voice 20: We might be past the point in this particular one

[1:44:07] Voice 20: where any refund is available,

[1:44:09] Voice 20: but I'll check the fees bylaw and we will see.

[1:44:14] Trustee Fast: See what happens.

[1:44:15] Voice 20: I can follow up with the applicant

[1:44:16] Voice 20: and I can advise the local trust committee as well

[1:44:18] Voice 20: so that you know how that unfolds.

[1:44:22] Trustee Allen: Okay, and then I just wanna add that,

[1:44:26] Trustee Allen: this public consultation was really important for me

[1:44:28] Trustee Allen: because it just showed that the neighbors,

[1:44:33] Trustee Allen: pretty much minus two people,

[1:44:35] Trustee Allen: neighbors all were against this.

[1:44:37] Trustee Allen: And this is where you can choose your friends,

[1:44:40] Trustee Allen: but not your family, and sometimes not your neighbors.

[1:44:42] Trustee Allen: And this is the one time where,

[1:44:45] Trustee Allen: I'm sorry to reach this point where neighbor against neighbor,

[1:44:48] Trustee Allen: but where we do have a say

[1:44:49] Trustee Allen: and about what's going on in our neighborhood.

[1:44:52] Trustee Allen: And I'm very proud that we can have this

[1:44:57] Trustee Allen: as part of our OCP and as a community member,

[1:45:01] Trustee Allen: because really you can't always choose your neighbors

[1:45:03] Trustee Allen: and I'd be next to the vacation rental

[1:45:05] Trustee Allen: and I've, you know, the guy likes pretends

[1:45:08] Trustee Allen: he's got a woodlot with his chainsaw down the road

[1:45:10] Trustee Allen: and you know, and on and on and on, right?

[1:45:11] Trustee Allen: But this is a time where democracy speaking up.

[1:45:16] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[1:45:17] Trustee Fast: That's all.

[1:45:18] Trustee Fast: Trustee Scott, are you still with us?

[1:45:19] Trustee Fast: There he is.

[1:45:20] Trustee Fast: Okay, good.

[1:45:22] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[1:45:23] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion?

[1:45:26] Trustee Fast: Then I'm gonna call the question.

[1:45:27] Trustee Fast: all those in favor of number two there in front of us that passes unanimously

[1:45:34] Trustee Fast: thank you very much trustees and now I believe according to our guidelines we

[1:45:41] Trustee Fast: are going to allow the applicant to say a few words about whether he let's see

[1:45:50] Trustee Fast: what does it read here sorry when an application has been when a decision has

[1:45:58] Trustee Fast: has been made, the applicant may then speak in order

[1:46:00] Trustee Fast: to indicate their concurrence with the report

[1:46:02] Trustee Fast: and the recommendations or to advise of any.

[1:46:05] Trustee Fast: After the LTC makes a decision,

[1:46:07] Trustee Fast: the applicant may ask questions for clarification

[1:46:09] Trustee Fast: of the LTC's decision or direction to staff.

[1:46:13] Trustee Fast: So Dr. Wiseman, if you've got anything else you want to say,

[1:46:16] Trustee Fast: please go ahead.

[1:46:22] Trustee Fast: Go ahead.

[1:46:27] Voice 25: Yeah, I feel really badly about this.

[1:46:30] Voice 25: When I bought these two 10 acre properties,

[1:46:35] Voice 25: two different times the first one was so that i could uh have a property that i could uh live on

[1:46:43] Voice 25: and so i built my house and i've maintained this orchard that i live in for 40 years

[1:46:50] Voice 25: and then i bought the second property because i was concerned about it being um developed

[1:46:57] Voice 25: and i felt like i've been a really good steward of these two uh 10 acre properties for all these

[1:47:03] Voice 25: years and as time went on I realized that I had spent a lot of time and a lot of money to keep

[1:47:13] Voice 25: these properties up and I felt like I was being consistent with the overall community plan in

[1:47:21] Voice 25: terms of density and many people during especially during the 1980s there was many many 10-acre lots

[1:47:29] Voice 25: lots all over the island where people were owners or tenants in common and they were being given

[1:47:37] Voice 25: the opportunity to subdivide into two five acre lots pretty much a blanket approval and I thought

[1:47:44] Voice 25: I don't really want to do that I don't need to do that and so I've held on to these properties

[1:47:49] Voice 25: properties and all of my investment in these properties have come out of my income from

[1:47:59] Voice 25: working here on Hornby and so it really puts me in a terrible position that I can't subdivide I

[1:48:06] Voice 25: understand that the concerns that people have and you know doing this subdivision as I requested

[1:48:16] Voice 25: it was definitely not going to turn into something like um sandpiper galleon or anderson or any of

[1:48:22] Voice 25: the other large subdivisions and i thought it was in keeping with the goals for density and

[1:48:31] Voice 25: i thought it was a good opportunity for some people who really wanted to live

[1:48:35] Voice 25: in this part of the island and i would benefit because uh my my future here the um

[1:48:44] Voice 25: the investment that I was hoping to get returns on

[1:48:49] Voice 25: from selling finally this one property.

[1:48:52] Voice 25: And I was totally in agreement with,

[1:48:53] Voice 25: I will never subdivide again,

[1:48:56] Voice 25: but I was counting on this for my future here on Hornby.

[1:49:00] Voice 25: And it's going to make a huge difference

[1:49:02] Voice 25: to how much longer I can live here.

[1:49:04] Voice 25: So I'm very disappointed in that way.

[1:49:06] Voice 25: I understand the democratic process,

[1:49:08] Voice 25: process. But I feel it's unfair that all these people were able to do what I would really think

[1:49:20] Voice 25: would be fair and reasonable. So I don't know if it sounds like there's no appeal process built

[1:49:27] Voice 25: into this process. So I'd like to know if there is an appeal process possible. So I think I'd like

[1:49:37] Voice 25: to leave that for now i think i need to help continue communicating through the ltc and

[1:49:43] Voice 25: i was told that if this rezoning application did not go through i would get back the

[1:49:51] Voice 25: application fee that i had put in so i'll leave it like that for now i appreciate

[1:49:59] Voice 25: the way the way you've been so consistently fair so I don't like the

[1:50:06] Voice 25: results but I respect the process you're

[1:50:13] Trustee Allen: on mute thank you

[1:50:15] Trustee Fast: sorry this time it was

[1:50:18] Trustee Fast: a scanner okay thank you very much dr. Wiseman for your words and I think

[1:50:25] Trustee Fast: we'll move on now I know trustee Scott has another meeting at 2 15 so I'm keen

[1:50:31] Trustee Fast: to keep us on track if we can we don't have a lunch break scheduled that I can see in this

[1:50:38] Trustee Fast: agenda so I'm hoping trustees or staff let me know if I'm missing something otherwise we're

[1:50:43] Trustee Fast: going to kind of you might see people at chewing as we go okay thank you very much then we're going

[1:50:51] Trustee Fast: to move on to section seven of the agenda which is reports and thank you all the attendees and

[1:50:58] Trustee Fast: and everybody who's sticking with us.

[1:51:01] Trustee Fast: We're into the trustee report.

[1:51:05] Trustee Fast: So which trustee would like to go first

[1:51:08] Trustee Fast: and then we're going to get to town hall.

[1:51:10] Trustee Fast: So if you just bear with us,

[1:51:11] Trustee Fast: we'll give a little bit of news

[1:51:12] Trustee Fast: and then we'll be in the town hall section of the agenda

[1:51:15] Trustee Fast: where there's another chance to speak on anything

[1:51:21] Trustee Fast: except the decision that we just made.

[1:51:24] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:51:25] Trustee Scott: Excuse me, can I ask a favor of you?

[1:51:27] Trustee Scott: When you move us down the agenda,

[1:51:29] Trustee Scott: could you tell us what page we're going to?

[1:51:30] Trustee Scott: Because that's the only way I know where I am on this thing.

[1:51:32] Trustee Scott: Okay,

[1:51:33] Trustee Fast: we're past page 47,

[1:51:36] Trustee Fast: was the end of the previous bylaw decision that we just made.

[1:51:42] Trustee Fast: And we're into a blank part of the agenda where there is no page.

[1:51:46] Trustee Fast: This is just where you tell us what meetings we've been in

[1:51:48] Trustee Fast: in the last couple of months,

[1:51:49] Trustee Fast: since the last meeting, November 7th or whatever it was.

[1:51:52] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Scott.

[1:51:55] Trustee Scott: Well, I think the most significant thing to me by far was the meeting, I think, Heather, you were on there, Heather Swellen, you might have been as well, with the Comox First Nation, and I can't remember now the name of their lawyer, and someone else on their cultural, I can't remember the name of that either, but anyway, they had a policy, cultural heritage policy, I think they called it.

[1:52:20] Trustee Scott: But I thought that was, I mean, we've said all these amazing things about UNDRIP, reconciliation, Bill 41 that the province has passed.

[1:52:32] Trustee Scott: And we, before every meeting, we acknowledge where we are.

[1:52:35] Trustee Scott: And I think we're trying to respect Aboriginal rights and title.

[1:52:38] Trustee Scott: But when the rubber hits the road, my concern is when I look at the Hornby official community plan,

[1:52:49] Trustee Scott: there's almost nothing in it about First Nations relationship at all. And there really isn't

[1:52:55] Trustee Scott: anything in the bylaws that describe what is our role in the process of approving permits,

[1:53:01] Trustee Scott: permits, development permits or whatever, when we suspect that there may be a midden

[1:53:09] Trustee Scott: or a burial ground or some other First Nations use there. And Hornby is surrounded by it.

[1:53:15] Trustee Scott: And a young fellow from the ARC branch came over, I think I've said this before, and showed

[1:53:20] Trustee Scott: him around it. Hornby is ringed by it pretty well anywhere where there's a beach of any

[1:53:24] Trustee Scott: size at all, there's a midden, you can see the shells washing up. So I brought that up

[1:53:29] Trustee Scott: up with Peter, the chair of locum,

[1:53:31] Trustee Scott: and I brought it up with Russ.

[1:53:35] Trustee Scott: I can never get it.

[1:53:37] Trustee Scott: Yeah.

[1:53:38] Trustee Scott: Yeah.

[1:53:39] Trustee Scott: And with Lisa, our Wilcox, our First Nations advisor.

[1:53:44] Trustee Scott: And I think it's absolutely critical

[1:53:46] Trustee Scott: that we change our OCP and our land use bylaws.

[1:53:50] Trustee Scott: And in the meantime, we have some direction

[1:53:52] Trustee Scott: to assist us and the planners.

[1:53:55] Trustee Scott: And when we get an application that we think it may be

[1:53:58] Trustee Scott: within one of those First Nations

[1:54:00] Trustee Scott: I already described

[1:54:01] Trustee Scott: that we have some kind of process

[1:54:03] Trustee Scott: that we know how to deal with it

[1:54:05] Trustee Scott: because I felt as you know

[1:54:06] Trustee Scott: I felt badly on

[1:54:09] Trustee Scott: badly not the right word

[1:54:10] Trustee Scott: I felt confused I guess

[1:54:12] Trustee Scott: on the Thatch proposal

[1:54:15] Trustee Scott: from both sides

[1:54:16] Trustee Scott: it was conflicted from the

[1:54:17] Trustee Scott: developer's point of view

[1:54:18] Trustee Scott: because he had done everything

[1:54:19] Trustee Scott: he thought was right

[1:54:21] Trustee Scott: and yet I felt conflicted

[1:54:23] Trustee Scott: by the fact that I was quite sure

[1:54:24] Trustee Scott: that the Coman fan was not fully aware

[1:54:26] Trustee Scott: aware of that and anyway, so I'll leave it there

[1:54:30] Trustee Scott: and yeah, I'll leave it there for now, thank you.

[1:54:35] Trustee Scott: That's the main thing in the last three months while.

[1:54:39] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Scott.

[1:54:40] Trustee Fast: Okay, Trustee Allen, how about you?

[1:54:43] Trustee Allen: Well, unfortunately I missed that meeting.

[1:54:46] Trustee Allen: I'm not going to say what meetings I go to.

[1:54:48] Trustee Allen: I'm just going to say, tell the public that we've got

[1:54:52] Trustee Allen: a couple of online surveys and the first one is

[1:54:55] Trustee Allen: about the Islands Trust Policy Statement.

[1:54:57] Trustee Allen: we're seeking your

[1:54:59] Trustee Allen: okay output so if you go to the um island trust website you can click onto

[1:55:07] Trustee Allen: that and complete the survey before february 5th as well there's a budget uh input survey

[1:55:13] Trustee Allen: online as well and that's uh the deadlines before february 7th and just a sort of aside is that at

[1:55:20] Trustee Allen: the trustee meeting at the trustful trust council meeting in december we're still trying to figure

[1:55:25] Trustee Allen: out how to define our unique amenities. Remember that conversation? We're such wordsmiths.

[1:55:32] Trustee Allen: So maybe, I haven't even looked at the survey yet, but we can complete it obviously, right Sue Ellen?

[1:55:41] Trustee Allen: Trustees can?

[1:55:42] Trustee Fast: I think everybody is welcome to complete the survey and also I think it'll

[1:55:49] Trustee Fast: only take one submission per computer. So if you're a couple or a family, you may need to

[1:55:55] Trustee Fast: use some other computers or devices to complete it. But also, we trustees are due to give our

[1:56:02] Trustee Fast: feedback to the Trust Programs Committee. That's right, yeah.

[1:56:07] Trustee Fast: Right by the end of

[1:56:08] Trustee Fast: January. So we've got

[1:56:09] Trustee Fast: questions as well, special, a different process.

[1:56:14] Trustee Fast: And thank you. Did you have anything else you wanted to add?

[1:56:17] Trustee Scott: No.

[1:56:18] Trustee Scott: Could I just, Sue Ellen, can I just add one? I did voice an opinion on those First Nations

[1:56:23] Trustee Scott: as I pointed out earlier to the trust program committee.

[1:56:27] Trustee Scott: Yeah, I've done that.

[1:56:29] Trustee Fast: Very good, what local trustees are referring to

[1:56:33] Trustee Fast: is we've got a number of committees of trust council,

[1:56:38] Trustee Fast: trust programs committee, regional planning committee

[1:56:42] Trustee Fast: and financial planning committee, which I'm on.

[1:56:45] Trustee Fast: And then there's the Islands Trust Conservancy as well,

[1:56:51] Trustee Fast: which is the nature reserves

[1:56:52] Trustee Fast: and the conservation covenants and the taking care of mapping

[1:56:57] Trustee Fast: and helping people with outreach.

[1:56:58] Trustee Fast: And we've got some items on the agenda coming up.

[1:57:01] Trustee Fast: And, but yeah, I'll just do a quick report here too.

[1:57:06] Trustee Fast: Thank you for mentioning those.

[1:57:08] Trustee Fast: And we had since our last meeting, our last Hornby meeting,

[1:57:14] Trustee Fast: we had a trust council meeting in December.

[1:57:18] Trustee Fast: And so in our agenda near the end,

[1:57:22] Trustee Fast: there's a couple of information items one of those is highlights from that trust council

[1:57:25] Trustee Fast: meeting so anybody can is welcome to look at that on our agenda or you can find it at the website as

[1:57:31] Trustee Fast: well and um i uh just put in a couple of letters there too uh one is about a um at least five of

[1:57:42] Trustee Fast: the incoming members of parliament that are on uh that are ministers in the in after the last

[1:57:48] Trustee Fast: provincial election have coastal strategy develop a coastal strategy for

[1:57:53] Trustee Fast: BC as part of their mandate letters so I think there'll be more focus on that

[1:57:58] Trustee Fast: coming up and we as the islands trust the chair has written a letter and

[1:58:02] Trustee Fast: you'll see it in the in the agenda under info items and also tree cutting we're

[1:58:07] Trustee Fast: we're trying to get more control over local tree cutting and so this is part

[1:58:13] Trustee Fast: of the advocacy work of the islands trust across the whole uh area um i wanted to mention the

[1:58:20] Trustee Fast: policy statement update too thank you uh trustee allen and uh this is actually um an opportunity

[1:58:27] Trustee Fast: to have your say on the equivalent of the ocp for the hornby island ocp so it's it's an overarching

[1:58:36] Trustee Fast: marching umbrella. The policy statement is kind of like it's the other thing you can compare it

[1:58:43] Trustee Fast: to is a regional growth strategy. If you were coming from a different part of BC, and so those

[1:58:53] Trustee Fast: it really is after 20 years time to look at the policy statement and we care about your input.

[1:59:00] Trustee Fast: So please, people, feel free.

[1:59:03] Trustee Fast: This is the second round of public input.

[1:59:05] Trustee Fast: Have a look at this.

[1:59:06] Trustee Fast: The link is on the Islands Trust website

[1:59:09] Trustee Fast: and the budget consultation is there.

[1:59:11] Trustee Fast: What else did I want to mention here?

[1:59:15] Trustee Fast: Yeah, needs to be in by February 5th

[1:59:18] Trustee Fast: and then the other one by February 7th.

[1:59:22] Trustee Fast: I've had meetings of the executive committee.

[1:59:24] Trustee Fast: As a vice chair, I also sit on the executive committee

[1:59:27] Trustee Fast: with two other vice chairs and Chair Peter Luckum

[1:59:30] Trustee Fast: and the cao is our main staff person so we have those every two or three weeks financial committee

[1:59:38] Trustee Fast: uh had that so that's where the budget um work is coming from is from the financial planning

[1:59:44] Trustee Fast: committee and the islands trust conservancy we just had a meeting of the conservancy uh earlier

[1:59:49] Trustee Fast: this week and uh i've got some um updates but i'll get to them later when we talk about the

[1:59:54] Trustee Fast: islands trust uh conservancy just a quick note to let you know um we had another

[1:59:59] Trustee Fast: Another.

[2:00:00] Trustee Fast: nature reserve be finalized in December so that makes 30 nature reserves in 30 years and

[2:00:07] Trustee Fast: so you'll be hearing probably more about that and then I also have a Gambier meeting coming up had

[2:00:13] Trustee Fast: Denman last week and Bowen Island Municipality Council meetings every two weeks so just a little

[2:00:22] Trustee Fast: bit about my world and some things that you might want to provide more input to the islands dressed

[2:00:27] Trustee Fast: dressed about and um now we're going to go to whoops where's my agenda can

[2:00:32] Trustee Allen: i add son can i add

[2:00:33] Trustee Allen: something i just want to say that um that i wrote just a short note to uh chief nicole rempel of

[2:00:40] Trustee Allen: comics first nations because she was re-elected for her third term uh january 21st so i did say

[2:00:45] Trustee Allen: just a little note saying though they only have two years and we only have two years left so maybe

[2:00:49] Trustee Allen: we'll do some more with them in the two years remaining yeah

[2:00:54] Trustee Fast: very good and uh thank you yes

[2:00:57] Trustee Fast: Yes, that was a very interesting meeting that Comox community to community meeting and stay tuned that they had a whole bunch of us local elected officials on the zoom meeting like this.

[2:01:10] Trustee Fast: Okay, so now electoral area directors report just making sure that Daniel Arbour hasn't joined us I don't see him there, don't see a hand raised.

[2:01:22] Trustee Fast: okay so i'm going to assume that he can't be with us today and we'll move on um now we're going to

[2:01:30] Trustee Fast: go into the town hall so this is a chance for um members of of the public to um offer public

[2:01:40] Trustee Fast: comments and um inform trustees about topics relevant to the local trust area and uh we don't

[2:01:47] Trustee Fast: need to speak and it's uh the trouble is we just have a certain amount of time set aside for it i

[2:01:53] Trustee Fast: think 10 minutes is our usual let's see what do we have uh oh it varies but we're gonna we're gonna

[2:02:01] Trustee Fast: see how many people would like to speak i've got a couple people on there already and uh and then

[2:02:05] Trustee Fast: we're going to be followed by a delegation and uh uh high seek is going to be uh presenting about

[2:02:13] Trustee Fast: about housing, something about housing, I believe.

[2:02:18] Trustee Fast: And so Town Hall, who would like to speak first?

[2:02:22] Trustee Fast: I see, if you can keep it down to two minutes,

[2:02:28] Trustee Fast: that would be great.

[2:02:28] Trustee Fast: This isn't a public hearing, this is a Town Hall session.

[2:02:31] Trustee Fast: And if you can please go ahead, Donald.

[2:02:38] Voice 24: Thank you very much.

[2:02:40] Voice 24: Donald Gutstein, 1410 Carmichael Road,

[2:02:44] Voice 24: which we've owned for 30 years and I just have a very short statement. Like everybody else,

[2:02:51] Voice 24: 2020 was one of the worst years of our life. It was made even more painful because of the

[2:02:57] Voice 24: inconsistencies in the land use bylaw regarding minimum lot size for subdivision, creating

[2:03:04] Voice 24: confusion for staff and owners alike and leading to the rejection of our subdivision application.

[2:03:10] Voice 24: application. Now, in 2021, we have an opportunity to correct this problem that has created suffering

[2:03:19] Voice 24: for some of us. We do appreciate the clarity of the staff report on this issue you will be

[2:03:25] Voice 24: considering today, item 13.1, and we urge trustees to move forward expeditiously on the staff

[2:03:34] Voice 24: recommendations this can be done most effectively by adopting alternative

[2:03:40] Voice 24: resolution number two which is minimizing project timeline by only

[2:03:46] Voice 24: eliminating subsection 8.2.9 from the land use bylaw this is certainly the

[2:03:54] Voice 24: most problematic issue in the bylaw and will affect the most owners you can see

[2:04:00] Voice 24: from the letter we submitted, item 14.1, that a number of Hornby residents are also concerned.

[2:04:08] Voice 24: Some are our neighbors. Then you can move forward on other important issues facing the

[2:04:15] Voice 24: trust committee. Thank you for your attention, Dawn.

[2:04:19] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Mr. Gutstein. Very good. And then I see another hand up from Karen. Karen, if

[2:04:28] Trustee Fast: if you could confirm your full name

[2:04:31] Trustee Fast: and your connection with the island, go ahead.

[2:04:35] Voice 14: Thank you, Chair Faust, Karen Ross, 3895 Shingle Spit Road.

[2:04:40] Voice 14: I have a correction to make on the agenda, 15.5.

[2:04:45] Voice 14: It refers to a letter of approval

[2:04:47] Voice 14: from the Cowichan Valley Regional District.

[2:04:50] Voice 14: And that would actually be

[2:04:51] Voice 14: the Comox Valley Regional District,

[2:04:53] Voice 14: which has also got the acronym CVRD.

[2:04:56] Voice 14: and uh 15.4 is on the same subject which has to do with the um uh project uh connected coast for

[2:05:06] Voice 14: internet and i wanted to thank the trustees and the trust itself uh peter luckham for their uh

[2:05:14] Voice 14: support and um and writing the letters of support that are necessary for this very important

[2:05:23] Voice 14: infrastructure coastal project.

[2:05:26] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Thank you Karen and thank you for pointing out

[2:05:31] Trustee Fast: a typo. Those typos. Okay thank you. Comox Valley Regional District. Very good. Okay thank you. Any

[2:05:39] Trustee Fast: more hands up for the town hall? Seeing none, thank you everybody. Then we're going to move on

[2:05:48] Trustee Fast: to delegations. So here I believe Catherine is speaking. A delegation from HI-SEEC from the

[2:05:55] Trustee Fast: the Hornby Island Economic Enhancement Corporation, about housing.

[2:06:00] Voice 17: Catherine is available.

[2:06:01] Voice 17: Do you want me to just allow her to speak,

[2:06:04] Voice 17: or do you want her promoted to panelist?

[2:06:07] Trustee Fast: I think if, well, she's presenting.

[2:06:10] Trustee Fast: Why don't you try putting her into panelist?

[2:06:13] Trustee Fast: And while you're doing that, I'll just say these are a chance,

[2:06:17] Trustee Fast: delegation is a chance if you get your application in early enough

[2:06:21] Trustee Fast: and you offer to speak to something that is presenting new ideas or information that's not

[2:06:27] Trustee Fast: otherwise being considered in by the LTC then we've got five minutes set aside for this thank

[2:06:36] Trustee Fast: you and welcome Karen Ross please go ahead oh Catherine Catherine sorry my mistake I don't

[2:06:45] Trustee Fast: think we can hear you yet can you unmute your microphone hi

[2:06:51] Voice 11: there is that better yes thank you

[2:06:53] Voice 11: please go

[2:06:53] Voice 11: ahead Catherine hi thank you I think Peter Wardle is also here I'm not sure

[2:06:58] Voice 11: he said

[2:07:00] Voice 17: he'd be here but I don't see him in the list unless he's under someone else's name

[2:07:05] Voice 17: um

[2:07:08] Voice 11: well um Peter and I are here on behalf of High Seek our economic action plan which was a

[2:07:16] Voice 11: community survey of the island showed that the chief priority for islanders is more affordable

[2:07:25] Voice 11: stable year-round rental housing. So I would like to talk to you about what the

[2:07:31] Voice 11: Islands Trust can do to help us accomplish that. I've worked towards the

[2:07:38] Voice 11: creation of affordable housing for over 20 years on both the EASTA board and

[2:07:42] Voice 11: the HIHS board and it has become evident that we can't wait for BC Housing to

[2:07:47] Voice 11: meet our needs. Although we are very grateful to finally be getting 26 units

[2:07:52] Voice 11: it's at Beulah Creek, we need many more units, probably in the range of 50 to 100 units. COVID

[2:08:00] Voice 11: has brought many of our lovely young people back to the island. They need housing. The elder village

[2:08:09] Voice 11: has a long waiting list of people needing to get in there. In our OCB, it states that we want to

[2:08:15] Voice 11: encourage a self-reliant rural community and also that residential development character should be

[2:08:21] Voice 11: be consistent with rural character we are not we realize that the island does not want to see more

[2:08:28] Voice 11: subdivisions happen but that our ocp encourages a cooperative use of land so we would like to put

[2:08:38] Voice 11: forward that it we open the discussion about whether or not it would be to the community's

[2:08:44] Voice 11: benefit to allow a secondary dwelling either within a principal structure or in an accessory

[2:08:50] Voice 11: building on some of our lots. This would be contingent of course on them being used for

[2:08:58] Voice 11: year-round rental and that there be adequate proof of water and septic. We have a population

[2:09:06] Voice 11: of about a thousand people of which approximately 400 are over 65 years of age. A quarter of our

[2:09:14] Voice 11: housing stock is occupied by only a single person. Many older people find themselves in a house that

[2:09:20] Voice 11: that is too large or too difficult and expensive to maintain.

[2:09:25] Voice 11: Currently there's a provision under section 10.2

[2:09:29] Voice 11: that permits application for a TUP for detached housing

[2:09:32] Voice 11: for a caregiver or relative.

[2:09:35] Voice 11: I've never applied for a TUP and I don't know how long

[2:09:38] Voice 11: they take to acquire and how much they cost.

[2:09:41] Voice 11: I'm wondering, I'd like to know from the trustees

[2:09:45] Voice 11: if there are many people who have applied for a TUP

[2:09:49] Voice 11: for a caregiver or a relative.

[2:09:53] Voice 11: perhaps that's not the method that we need to use to create some more rental housing.

[2:10:01] Voice 11: I know that other jurisdictions such as Whistler and Vancouver have allowed increased density

[2:10:09] Voice 11: either through laneway housing or through suites. But like the trust to look at what has been

[2:10:16] Voice 11: successful or High Seek is willing to help with this. What methods have been successful

[2:10:24] Voice 11: in increasing the pool of rental accommodation in other areas?

[2:10:37] Voice 11: So in closing, I will keep it short because I know you have to get on to other things.

[2:10:43] Voice 11: I would like to ask our trustees a question. Do you support the creation of more affordable

[2:10:50] Voice 11: rental housing on the island and will you work with us to find solutions and

[2:10:55] Voice 11: can you instruct the planners to help us in figuring our way through this that's

[2:11:06] Voice 11: about all that I have to say is uh we're not asking for subdivision we're just

[2:11:10] Voice 11: asking for an increase in density Thank

[2:11:13] Trustee Fast: You Catherine trustees go ahead trustee

[2:11:16] Trustee Fast: Scott thanks

[2:11:18] Trustee Scott: Catherine the short answer the first question is yes how to do that

[2:11:27] Trustee Scott: of course the question one of the things we could do i mean the advisory planning commission

[2:11:33] Trustee Scott: this might be the kind of thing they could do working with the planners to look at other

[2:11:38] Trustee Scott: jurisdictions like if you mentioned whistler like as i understand uh cabino's done it there's other

[2:11:44] Trustee Scott: where has it been done that that we can get some ideas on what we might do here so i think that's

[2:11:51] Trustee Scott: a very good idea the only question of what's the best way to do it so the planners aren't

[2:11:55] Trustee Scott: I think it's good to have the APC do it.

[2:11:58] Trustee Scott: They bring a local flavor to it, having just the planners do it.

[2:12:01] Trustee Scott: So I think that might be a way we could look at it, Catherine, if you think that might be appropriate.

[2:12:09] Voice 11: And Peter and I would be willing to assist the APC.

[2:12:13] Voice 11: We're both architects, and I have also a background in planning.

[2:12:17] Voice 11: So I am willing to do some research to help that project along.

[2:12:23] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Catherine.

[2:12:24] Trustee Fast: Trustee Allen.

[2:12:26] Trustee Allen: Thank you, Catherine, for your presentation.

[2:12:28] Trustee Allen: definitely would love to work with you guys on this because we all know this is a major issue

[2:12:32] Trustee Allen: on our island housing rental housing um in terms of we you know secondary suites are legal we tony

[2:12:41] Trustee Allen: and i did that back two terms ago and i i don't think anybody's uptaked it at all i don't know

[2:12:48] Trustee Allen: whether heather could speak to that but i don't think one person has applied for a secondary suite

[2:12:55] Trustee Allen: Maybe because people didn't move to the island to live in a duplex.

[2:12:58] Trustee Allen: I'm not sure.

[2:12:58] Trustee Allen: Though we did have allowed separate buildings.

[2:13:03] Trustee Allen: So for some reason it just says secondary suites.

[2:13:07] Voice 11: Sorry, Alex, pardon.

[2:13:09] Voice 11: Did you say you allow it in a secondary building?

[2:13:12] Trustee Allen: Yeah, that's what we had.

[2:13:13] Trustee Allen: But it doesn't say it in the LEB, so I need to find that out.

[2:13:16] Trustee Allen: Because Tony and I.

[2:13:18] Voice 11: Yeah, I

[2:13:19] Trustee Allen: read the whole thing last night.

[2:13:21] Trustee Allen: Yeah, exactly.

[2:13:21] Trustee Allen: So I need to talk to Heather about that.

[2:13:23] Trustee Allen: but in terms of people applying for secondary suites, I don't think anybody has. Heather?

[2:13:34] Trustee Allen: Go

[2:13:34] Trustee Fast: ahead, sorry. I was thinking

[2:13:37] Trustee Fast: if we're going to ask staff for reports and things,

[2:13:42] Trustee Fast: we'd need to do that with a motion or something, but Heather, if you're prepared to

[2:13:46] Trustee Fast: answer a quick question.

[2:13:48] Voice 8: Yeah, I mean, I've done a little bit of preliminary review of the

[2:13:52] Voice 8: the OCP and LUB. And I was actually just going to bring up a document that I had put together.

[2:13:59] Voice 8: While secondary suites were allowed, like I know the LTC had worked on that and they had allowed

[2:14:07] Voice 8: them, I believe they're only allowed on lots that are a certain size and over. So they're not

[2:14:14] Voice 8: allowed everywhere in every single family home that you have, right? And detached secondary

[2:14:22] Voice 8: So there are some things about your OCP and LUB that are barriers to affordable housing, and those things could be explored through a project through the LTC, given staffing resources, and you can refer it to the APC, but staff being able to

[2:14:47] Voice 8: help the APC along depends upon the LTC taking on a project and us being able to resource that.

[2:14:55] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Yes and Catherine I was going to mention or maybe Heather you can refer to

[2:15:01] Trustee Fast: didn't Hornby have a housing needs assessment done? We've

[2:15:06] Voice 11: had a number done. Yes

[2:15:08] Trustee Fast: and there

[2:15:09] Trustee Fast: was just a recent one and uh and also there was a um a big report about affordable housing options

[2:15:16] Trustee Fast: across the trust area that justine stark did a few years ago now and um and i know we've many

[2:15:23] Trustee Fast: islands are experimenting with different ways to do this kind of thing now you can have a rental

[2:15:28] Trustee Fast: only zone for example uh which we've done here on bowen island as well as secondary suites very few

[2:15:35] Trustee Fast: people take them up take us up on the detached ones but uh just a few examples and uh the

[2:15:42] Trustee Fast: question of how do they mesh with the short-term rentals is another question as well go ahead

[2:15:50] Trustee Fast: trustee scott what

[2:15:53] Trustee Scott: comes to my mind is catherine there's no doubt what you're bringing up is

[2:15:59] Trustee Scott: incredibly important and for all the issues what reasons you mentioned what happens is this is my

[2:16:06] Trustee Scott: my limited experience in the trust, but on the LTC,

[2:16:10] Trustee Scott: is we get torn between the different issues that come up,

[2:16:14] Trustee Scott: First Nations issues, the RAR issue, right?

[2:16:18] Trustee Scott: The contradictions in the bylaws,

[2:16:21] Trustee Scott: that's the gut scheme problem, there's this one.

[2:16:25] Trustee Scott: So I'm wondering if we can't take all of these on

[2:16:29] Trustee Scott: and get the planners, it just doesn't, there isn't enough.

[2:16:34] Trustee Scott: so i'm wondering if we don't put all of these issues within the larger context of a

[2:16:39] Trustee Scott: mate of a review of the ocp itself and the land use bylaws uh which would be a longer

[2:16:45] Trustee Scott: project but it would look at all of these things so we're sort of not trying to piecemeal it

[2:16:49] Trustee Scott: together but i'm not sure how effective the piecemeal i understand with the importance

[2:16:56] Trustee Scott: of what you're saying but i'm really wondering from an overall planning point of view what's

[2:17:01] Trustee Scott: what's the best way to do it because we could charge this one and then i know what we're going

[2:17:05] Trustee Scott: to do we're going to come up with first nations have come up and we'll say well that's a priority

[2:17:09] Trustee Fast: can we deal with this

[2:17:10] Trustee Fast: if trustees will allow um i'd like to deal with this idea of priorities

[2:17:15] Trustee Fast: and uh projects in a later section of the agenda there 17.1 and 17.2 okay um

[2:17:23] Trustee Fast: yeah go ahead heather

[2:17:25] Trustee Fast: if

[2:17:27] Voice 8: i could just share i did find my little cheat sheet and i think it is relevant and i i think

[2:17:32] Voice 8: you'll want to you may want to talk about it a little bit later but as long as we're in there

[2:17:36] Voice 8: i do have a little list and it may it may help the conversation just to have people think about it

[2:17:43] Voice 8: whoops sharing the wrong thing sorry about that um so this is this is kind of a preliminary very

[2:17:52] Voice 8: very rough analysis of your, of your land use bylaw, and some of the limitations that the land

[2:18:00] Voice 8: use bylaw has regarding housing. So, you know, for instance, there's no duplexes allowed, no

[2:18:09] Voice 8: market multifamily, there's no secondary suites are only allowed in two of the zones that you have.

[2:18:15] Voice 8: So this is kind of a preliminary list of some of the things. And these are some of the barriers

[2:18:21] Voice 8: to housing. Heather,

[2:18:24] Voice 11: excuse me, could I add one more thing to your list? Sure. And that is under

[2:18:31] Voice 11: section 10.2. A TUP does allow for a detached, excuse me, I have to get the wording.

[2:18:47] Voice 8: So you're saying a family?

[2:18:49] Voice 11: Well, I can't find the wording, but it's a detached

[2:18:52] Voice 11: detached unit for a caregiver or a family member, detached housing for a caregiver or relative.

[2:19:00] Voice 11: So if I hear what Grant is saying about the review of the LUB and the OCP, but that

[2:19:11] Voice 11: is a multi-year project. Is there some way to do something immediately? We really,

[2:19:20] Voice 11: i get phone calls asking for housing all the time from people who have lived on the island for years

[2:19:28] Voice 11: who are going to have to leave the island because there's no place for them

[2:19:32] Voice 11: can i just

[2:19:36] Trustee Fast: katherine i

[2:19:38] Voice 11: just want to

[2:19:38] Trustee Fast: bring everybody's attention just to the agenda for

[2:19:41] Trustee Fast: a moment this is usually you know we've set aside five minutes but this is a good discussion

[2:19:46] Trustee Fast: and i'm just going to weigh in here for to say that this is happening across all the islands

[2:19:52] Trustee Fast: and, in fact, all of the Lower Mainland, Vancouver Island, Bowen.

[2:19:57] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[2:19:57] Trustee Fast: So just making sure you are aware of that.

[2:20:01] Trustee Fast: And wondering whether we want to have more discussion at this point

[2:20:06] Trustee Fast: or whether we want to move on to the rest of our agenda now.

[2:20:11] Trustee Allen: Well, we do have time constraints,

[2:20:12] Trustee Allen: and we could revisit this when we get to our work program.

[2:20:15] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[2:20:16] Trustee Fast: In

[2:20:16] Trustee Allen: terms of where

[2:20:17] Trustee Fast: we want to go.

[2:20:17] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[2:20:18] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:20:19] Trustee Fast: um because uh i just really appreciate you bringing up the topic katherine it's so important

[2:20:25] Trustee Fast: and uh i know there's uh especially with covid there's so much um pressure uh for families that

[2:20:33] Trustee Fast: are trying to stay in their home communities in their islands go ahead grant well just that

[2:20:39] Trustee Scott: that document that heather just put up on the screen can you sit i mean that's exactly what

[2:20:44] Trustee Scott: what we need right you've done the analysis okay well what do we need to do which points of those

[2:20:49] Trustee Scott: do we want to change and how do we want to change them when are we going to change them how do they

[2:20:54] Trustee Scott: so could you send that to us so we can print it out and then yeah let's definitely bring it up

[2:21:00] Trustee Scott: and Catherine thank you for your I mean that's exactly what we need to do and you know it it

[2:21:05] Trustee Scott: certainly is if it's not number one it's certainly way up there and what we have to do for all the

[2:21:10] Trustee Scott: reasons you said not just older people younger people everybody where where are people gonna go

[2:21:17] Trustee Scott: yeah yeah

[2:21:18] Voice 11: okay thank you very much Catherine and thank you too I really appreciate it and

[2:21:25] Voice 11: yeah hope we can come to some solution fairly quickly I hope

[2:21:32] Trustee Fast: so okay thank you

[2:21:33] Trustee Fast: bye-bye bye-bye if you want to click yourself off Catherine or there we go okay thank you

[2:21:43] Trustee Fast: All right, that concludes the delegations part of our agenda, and we're on to necessary but more mundane things like minutes.

[2:21:55] Trustee Fast: Sorry,

[2:21:56] Trustee Allen: I thought there was another delegation.

[2:21:59] Trustee Fast: No, just the one.

[2:22:01] Trustee Fast: Thank you for checking.

[2:22:03] Trustee Fast: So we're on to 10.1, our minutes from November 6th for adoption.

[2:22:07] Trustee Fast: Does anybody have any changes they want to make to the minutes from November the 6th?

[2:22:17] Trustee Fast: Hearing none, can I have a motion to adopt the minutes?

[2:22:20] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Grant.

[2:22:22] Trustee Fast: And do I have a seconder?

[2:22:24] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Allen, and all those in favor.

[2:22:28] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[2:22:30] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:22:30] Trustee Fast: That's our November 6th minutes.

[2:22:33] Trustee Fast: And now the public hearing record from November the 6th.

[2:22:36] Trustee Fast: That was the first public hearing.

[2:22:37] Trustee Fast: So this is in our agenda there.

[2:22:39] Trustee Fast: This is page 58, Grant.

[2:22:41] Voice 23: Thank you.

[2:22:42] Trustee Fast: And page 58 and 59.

[2:22:44] Trustee Fast: 9. Any amendments to this public hearing record? Hearing none, can I have a motion to adopt

[2:22:56] Trustee Fast: the record? Motion to adopt.

[2:23:00] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Allen. How about you, Trustee Scott? Are you happy with it?

[2:23:06] Trustee Scott: I am.

[2:23:06] Trustee Fast: Okay. Very good. So that's a motion. Moved and seconded. All those in favor?

[2:23:12] Trustee Fast: Aye.

[2:23:13] Trustee Fast: That public hearing November 6th is adopted, the record of that.

[2:23:17] Trustee Fast: um no oh we did have a resolution without minutes so we're now on page 60 60 um and this is the um

[2:23:26] Trustee Fast: resolution without minutes uh sorry resolution without meeting we have to report these because

[2:23:33] Trustee Fast: we want to be completely transparent and if something happens by email of which we can do

[2:23:38] Trustee Fast: only a few tiny things this is it um and this is just that we were going to schedule another

[2:23:45] Trustee Fast: another community information meeting and public hearing

[2:23:47] Trustee Fast: for bylaws 164 and 165, which we just had today.

[2:23:53] Trustee Fast: So that's all that we did pass in email by email voting.

[2:23:59] Trustee Fast: So that's just to let the public know.

[2:24:02] Trustee Fast: 10.4 is APC meetings.

[2:24:05] Trustee Fast: This is page 61 to 63 and for receipt.

[2:24:10] Trustee Fast: So we'll just receive those

[2:24:12] Trustee Fast: unless I see a trustee may say something go ahead trustee Allen sorry I'm going

[2:24:18] Trustee Allen: back and forth between screens um there you are so how do we know like where

[2:24:24] Trustee Allen: that where the APC is at in terms of you know we know they're going over these

[2:24:28] Trustee Allen: the fines right now where are they at how do we one more meeting and then

[2:24:32] Trustee Allen: they're finished with this particular project so so then we know whether we

[2:24:37] Trustee Allen: can pass on some more information for them to look at so how do we know I think

[2:24:43] Trustee Fast: when they pass some recommendations but i think uh rpm uh coward do you have an answer for trustees

[2:24:49] Trustee Fast: uh alan i

[2:24:52] Voice 8: i don't exactly um you know the apc has continued to meet and um as far as i know they

[2:24:58] Voice 8: feel that there's more work to be done and so they will keep i think it's their intention to

[2:25:03] Voice 8: keep meeting until they feel it's done and they'll just you'll just keep getting the minutes of their

[2:25:08] Voice 8: meetings but

[2:25:10] Trustee Allen: as the trustees we could say that well hey we'd like to have something finished by

[2:25:15] Trustee Allen: march or something like that we are all right okay

[2:25:17] Trustee Fast: trustee scott so

[2:25:20] Trustee Scott: heather what is the process that

[2:25:23] Trustee Scott: i mean we'll keep getting their minutes but eventually will they make recommendations to

[2:25:27] Trustee Scott: us as to so how we should what we should do about it is that how it works

[2:25:31] Voice 8: that was the intent yeah

[2:25:33] Voice 8: Yeah, at them, yeah.

[2:25:35] Trustee Scott: Great, thank you.

[2:25:36] Trustee Fast: If trustees would like to pass any suggestions

[2:25:41] Trustee Fast: or directions to the APC about timing.

[2:25:45] Trustee Scott: Well, just thank them for their work as I do

[2:25:48] Trustee Scott: when I run into them at the co-op

[2:25:50] Trustee Scott: and encourage them to carry on and get the information

[2:25:52] Trustee Scott: to us in a form that we can review it

[2:25:54] Trustee Scott: and figure out where we're going to go with it.

[2:25:57] Trustee Allen: There is a member, I think Wendy Burton

[2:25:59] Trustee Allen: might be in our participant.

[2:26:01] Trustee Allen: but can we ask her where yeah

[2:26:03] Trustee Fast: so

[2:26:05] Trustee Allen: maybe Wendy could share with us some enlightenment okay

[2:26:08] Trustee Fast: calling on Wendy um how is it going over there at the APC thank

[2:26:14] Voice 18: you for giving me an opportunity to

[2:26:16] Voice 18: report uh we are I would suggest one meeting away from making um recommendations to the local trust

[2:26:24] Voice 18: committee we are we are at the moment comparing the level of fines to the

[2:26:32] Voice 18: severity of the infraction and that process will be discussed at our next

[2:26:37] Voice 18: meeting on February the 11th and then I believe that we will be in a position to

[2:26:42] Voice 18: conclude this and make a recommendation to the trustees very

[2:26:49] Trustee Fast: good thank you very

[2:26:50] Trustee Fast: much uh any questions for follow-up questions or are you satisfied trustees no

[2:26:56] Trustee Scott: thanks wendy and

[2:26:57] Trustee Scott: please thank the apc for us for the work they're doing yeah a lot of work very

[2:27:02] Trustee Fast: good thank you

[2:27:03] Trustee Fast: wendy for answering on the spot like that that's great thank you okay so we've received uh their

[2:27:10] Trustee Fast: minutes i take it 10.4 put a check mark beside that and their draft minutes of january the 7th

[2:27:17] Trustee Fast: are there as well um 10.5 all right so moving on now to the follow-up action list um this is our

[2:27:28] Trustee Fast: uh to-do list sort of thing for staff page 67 to 69 um and any questions for the planners and

[2:27:40] Trustee Fast: the planning manager uh is that your hand yes alan go ahead sorry

[2:27:47] Trustee Allen: i've got the agenda package

[2:27:50] Trustee Allen: in front of me so it's blocking what I'm doing I think you're just

[2:27:53] Trustee Fast: going off just off to the

[2:27:54] Trustee Fast: side yeah

[2:27:55] Trustee Allen: and when I'm keep on moving away from the screens because my dog keeps on going in and

[2:27:58] Trustee Allen: out and in and out I was just wondering this whole planners hours the 24th January 2020 page 68 like

[2:28:08] Trustee Allen: scheduling advertising the planner hours and right it's kind of a limbo land do we just leave this

[2:28:15] Trustee Allen: is there? I mean, usually

[2:28:18] Trustee Fast: they stay there until we take them off.

[2:28:20] Trustee Allen: Yeah, okay. Because I actually

[2:28:24] Trustee Allen: question this from the get-go, that how many people request, like, you know, Grant seems to

[2:28:31] Trustee Allen: think that everybody wants to go down, wants to meet with planners constantly, and I don't know

[2:28:35] Trustee Allen: whether that's true or not, and that's why I guess it brought, it came up to the meeting at one point,

[2:28:39] Trustee Allen: And so I'm just wondering whether it's necessary.

[2:28:43] Trustee Allen: It doesn't matter at this point.

[2:28:46] Trustee Fast: We could leave it there until COVID restrictions are lifted, I guess.

[2:28:51] Trustee Fast: What do you think, Heather?

[2:28:52] Trustee Fast: Do you have any recommendations?

[2:28:55] Voice 8: Yeah, the way that I remember the conversation ending was that planners, essentially we would

[2:29:02] Voice 8: advertise that planners are available to meet people on the island if they want to speak

[2:29:07] Voice 8: to them prior to LTC meetings. And so that was sort of the conclusion. And that's where we're

[2:29:15] Voice 8: at. And there is a memo later on the agenda to kind of talk about advertising. Yeah, that is

[2:29:19] Voice 8: included.

[2:29:20] Trustee Allen: Okay, thank you. Scott?

[2:29:23] Trustee Scott: Yeah, I thought that was good. What you've got later on, but

[2:29:28] Trustee Scott: this follow up action, where I always get confused around priorities and action. Is this where we

[2:29:35] Trustee Scott: should have what Catherine Rona was just talking about no not here okay no Heather shaking her head

[2:29:42] Trustee Scott: that's good okay nice

[2:29:45] Trustee Fast: clear answer okay I

[2:29:48] Trustee Fast: love that any um anything else with the follow-up

[2:29:53] Trustee Fast: action list or should we move on to the advertising page 70 page 70

[2:30:00] Trustee Fast: is then so this is the advertising local trust committee meetings and heather did you want to

[2:30:05] Trustee Fast: speak to this yep

[2:30:07] Voice 8: we were we were asked to uh report on advertising the meetings and this memo

[2:30:13] Voice 8: does that and so we've yeah i've included information about the fact that uh um staff

[2:30:20] Voice 8: you know did you want the advertising to include staff hours um we're assuming not now you know if

[2:30:27] Voice 8: if we start advertising the meetings it'll just be the electronic meetings and then presumably

[2:30:32] Voice 8: when we start meeting again we might advertise ours go

[2:30:37] Trustee Fast: ahead trustee scott well

[2:30:40] Trustee Scott: i think there's

[2:30:40] Trustee Scott: two main we well there's three really main reason to advertise to people on one one is through the

[2:30:46] Trustee Scott: weekly tribune but also every just about everybody reads the first edition so i think if that comes

[2:30:54] Trustee Scott: out monthly so if it went in now if uh we would get would come out on the march where are we now

[2:31:01] Trustee Scott: yeah we come out on the march first so we have a meeting later on so that's a place where we could

[2:31:07] Trustee Scott: certainly advertise most people read the other way of course is social media so those are really the

[2:31:12] Trustee Scott: three ways that people on the island get information now i see you've got the weekly

[2:31:18] Trustee Scott: we contribute but i think those other two and i don't think the cost is really an issue i mean

[2:31:24] Trustee Scott: the first edition is going to cost a lot and social media of course so um those are suggestions

[2:31:34] Trustee Fast: thank you trustee allen um

[2:31:37] Trustee Allen: well grant neither grant and i are on facebook and i don't like

[2:31:42] Trustee Allen: social media so is there any way staff members could post something on our facebook site or do

[2:31:49] Trustee Allen: Do they have to be, are they members?

[2:31:50] Trustee Allen: I don't know if anybody will or whoever is privy to everybody's,

[2:31:56] Trustee Allen: the Island Facebook sites.

[2:31:59] Voice 8: Right.

[2:32:01] Trustee Allen: Can you post something, please?

[2:32:03] Trustee Allen: Or does it have to come from either of us?

[2:32:06] Trustee Allen: Because we don't do that.

[2:32:08] Voice 8: Trustee Cowher?

[2:32:09] Voice 8: Sorry, Heather?

[2:32:10] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:32:11] Voice 8: Right now there is an Island Trust Facebook page,

[2:32:14] Voice 8: but there has to be a staff person monitoring it and managing it.

[2:32:19] Voice 8: and it's for the all of islands trust so we don't right now we're really not set up to use facebook

[2:32:23] Voice 8: to do that but we do i mean right now we have a list serve um and that

[2:32:28] Voice 8: people sign up for and so

[2:32:30] Voice 8: they do get notices that way if they're signed up on the list serve and that's something that

[2:32:34] Voice 8: will manages right now um so social media is right now we're not we don't really have the capability

[2:32:41] Voice 8: of doing social media at the moment but we definitely could do an ad in um the tribune

[2:32:47] Voice 8: and the first edition if that if

[2:32:49] Trustee Scott: that works well that that should be that should be good and then

[2:32:54] Voice 22: yeah that's great

[2:32:55] Trustee Scott: i know what you mean about i mean i know exactly what you mean about facebook

[2:32:58] Trustee Scott: you start putting things on there and all of a sudden you get bounced back and forth and questions

[2:33:01] Trustee Scott: come up and it just it's like that's why we're not on there it just ends up this endless what

[2:33:08] Trustee Allen: you do is you post it without comments grant that's how you do it but yeah yeah yeah i know

[2:33:14] Trustee Fast: it's still working we we have one for bowen island municipality and uh it has a it's a page

[2:33:21] Trustee Fast: i think and it has the option of uh putting in words that are banned so we just put in most words

[2:33:28] Trustee Fast: so nobody ever replies to anything unless they say extraordinary or something that we have never

[2:33:33] Trustee Fast: thought to put on the list um but it's still more work and uh the better option i think is for people

[2:33:42] Trustee Fast: to subscribe that's what you mean by the listserv isn't it yes and so you can

[2:33:47] Trustee Fast: just go to the webpage and subscribe and you get the notices of public hearings

[2:33:52] Trustee Fast: and meeting

[2:33:53] Trustee Scott: agendas

[2:33:54] Trustee Fast: go ahead Grant I

[2:33:56] Trustee Scott: think the takeaway from that Heather

[2:33:59] Trustee Scott: every time you put it in the first edition or in the Tribune put at the

[2:34:04] Trustee Scott: bottom of it get your name on this list if you want us to contact you and I

[2:34:09] Trustee Scott: think that that would that link to that list you talked about if people you're gonna have to see it

[2:34:15] Trustee Scott: a million times and they're always going to come back and well i didn't know but i think if it's

[2:34:19] Trustee Scott: there we can keep saying well you know it's in the first edition of the tribute sign

[2:34:23] Trustee Fast: up to get it in

[2:34:24] Trustee Fast: your email yes trustee allen well

[2:34:27] Trustee Allen: i was just going to say if you don't know the deadlines of all these

[2:34:30] Trustee Allen: publications i'll send it your way or just tell you right now but the easy one is first edition

[2:34:35] Trustee Allen: because i'm the editor is the 19th of every month except for yeah i'll explain the summer

[2:34:43] Trustee Allen: winter edition but the 19th 11 59 59 p.m very clear hornby ads dot hornby ads at gmail.com is

[2:34:53] Trustee Allen: for

[2:34:54] Trustee Scott: the yeah but yeah but

[2:34:56] Trustee Scott: there's a yeah but in there right yeah but

[2:34:59] Trustee Scott: the yeah but if you do

[2:35:00] Trustee Scott: do for December, January, you'd do one.

[2:35:05] Trustee Scott: I'll

[2:35:06] Trustee Fast: let you guys sort this out by email.

[2:35:08] Trustee Scott: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2:35:09] Trustee Scott: Heather, that's the details.

[2:35:11] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:35:12] Voice 8: So thank

[2:35:12] Trustee Scott: you very much.

[2:35:13] Voice 8: I do have

[2:35:15] Voice 8: a recommended motion under next steps on that memorandum.

[2:35:19] Voice 8: And it would be helpful

[2:35:22] Voice 8: for us to have a motion for that.

[2:35:23] Voice 8: Right.

[2:35:23] Trustee Fast: This is the bottom of page 7-0.

[2:35:27] Trustee Allen: I move that the Hornby Islands Local Trust Committee request staff to advertise local

[2:35:33] Trustee Allen: trust committee meetings in the Hornby Weekly Tribune and, right, the first edition, starting

[2:35:41] Trustee Allen: with their March 2021 meeting and planner office hours when office hours can be resumed.

[2:35:47] Trustee Fast: Very good. Do I have a seconder? Second. Thank you, Grant Scott. Any more discussion?

[2:35:51] Trustee Fast: all those in favor very good i saw three hands that passes unanimously thank you very much

[2:35:59] Trustee Fast: trustees and heather um now we're on to applications referrals and bylaws this is 12.1

[2:36:06] Trustee Fast: hornby island school the development variance permit the dvp we're on page 71 to 91 and uh

[2:36:15] Trustee Fast: please take it away uh regional planning manager okay

[2:36:19] Voice 8: and i will just try to be brief on this

[2:36:21] Voice 8: you're familiar with the project we've had to we had to re-notify it because some of the plans

[2:36:27] Voice 8: changed and so the variance has changed as well so since the last time you've seen the application

[2:36:34] Voice 8: the applicant has submitted new site plans and we have drafted a we have you have a draft permit

[2:36:43] Voice 8: before you there is a recommendation I'm I'm prepared to provide you a different recommendation

[2:36:49] Voice 8: than the one that's before you.

[2:36:51] Voice 8: The recommendation is still to issue the permit,

[2:36:54] Voice 8: but there is an amendment to the permit

[2:36:57] Voice 8: that you might want to make before.

[2:36:59] Voice 8: And I will pull those up.

[2:37:02] Voice 8: I do want to mention that there was an error in this report.

[2:37:06] Voice 8: I said that the development was over 20,000 square meters.

[2:37:10] Voice 8: That's not accurate.

[2:37:12] Voice 8: So this is a development that while staff read

[2:37:17] Voice 8: to read the development permit area guidelines

[2:37:20] Voice 8: as meaning that they required a hydrology report.

[2:37:23] Voice 8: This was the issue that we were talking about last time.

[2:37:26] Voice 8: They are, I believe under the threshold

[2:37:29] Voice 8: that we talked about in terms of substantial development.

[2:37:32] Voice 8: So at this point, we're not recommending

[2:37:35] Voice 8: that you require a hydrology report.

[2:37:39] Voice 8: And so I will bring up motions related to that.

[2:37:42] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:37:43] Voice 8: Give me just a second.

[2:37:46] Voice 8: Chair

[2:37:46] Voice 17: Fast, I also want to mention that the applicant's architect is in the attendee list if you want me to promote him.

[2:37:55] Voice 17: Oh,

[2:37:56] Trustee Fast: great. Well, let's have the staff report, and then I'll ask if the applicant agent has something they want to add.

[2:38:05] Trustee Scott: Let me...

[2:38:06] Trustee Fast: Oh, go ahead. Sorry.

[2:38:08] Trustee Fast: Trustee Scott?

[2:38:08] Trustee Fast: Scott?

[2:38:10] Trustee Scott: After you do this, I'd just like to make a comment

[2:38:13] Trustee Scott: because I don't think we really need to,

[2:38:15] Trustee Scott: we're going to approve this, I'm pretty sure,

[2:38:17] Trustee Scott: the way it is, so I don't think we really need

[2:38:19] Trustee Scott: the applicant to say much about it.

[2:38:21] Trustee Scott: So anyway.

[2:38:25] Trustee Fast: Well, being a

[2:38:26] Trustee Fast: meeting, we're going to decide together

[2:38:30] Trustee Fast: during this meeting and I don't think

[2:38:32] Trustee Fast: I've got my mind

[2:38:32] Trustee Fast: make it made up because I

[2:38:34] Voice 23: want to hear from staff.

[2:38:35] Trustee Fast: So please

[2:38:35] Voice 8: go ahead Heather.

[2:38:36] Trustee Fast: together

[2:38:36] Voice 8: okay um i do need to find one thing sorry about that um it's

[2:38:44] Trustee Fast: okay i think we all

[2:38:45] Trustee Fast: yeah all

[2:38:47] Voice 8: right i'll go ahead and share this um so these are this is the these are the motions

[2:38:52] Voice 8: i'm recommending um the first the first uh motion is reflective of a new site plan that the

[2:39:00] Voice 8: the applicants provided that moved the generator.

[2:39:06] Voice 8: So there's a generator on the original permit,

[2:39:08] Voice 8: it says 1.2 meters, it now says two meters.

[2:39:11] Voice 8: And that's what's reflective of that.

[2:39:14] Voice 8: Motion two reflects a replacement of the schedule.

[2:39:19] Voice 8: So there's a schedule E of the permit

[2:39:22] Voice 8: that is a kind of a zoomed in view of the generator

[2:39:28] Voice 8: and et cetera, and because they've provided a new plan,

[2:39:33] Voice 8: we've got to replace that schedule on the permit.

[2:39:36] Voice 8: And so that's what number one and two are,

[2:39:38] Voice 8: and then number three is issuance of the permit.

[2:39:43] Trustee Fast: That's it for me.

[2:39:44] Trustee Fast: Okay, so we don't have to do the ones that are on page 70,

[2:39:50] Trustee Fast: those are withdrawn as not recommended by staff

[2:39:53] Trustee Fast: because of this new work.

[2:39:57] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you, okay.

[2:40:00] Trustee Fast: and um and thanks for the clarification about the hydrology report and then uh so

[2:40:11] Trustee Fast: this means it's i have a question does this mean that the um requesting the sewage uh approval

[2:40:19] Trustee Fast: and the rainwater catchment information that's not uh necessary correct thank

[2:40:27] Voice 8: you yeah i mean

[2:40:28] Voice 8: those are uh those were those have to do with the development permit um which is the next um oh

[2:40:35] Voice 23: right

[2:40:35] Voice 8: right right sorry right so um and i have new i have alternative motions for that one as well

[2:40:41] Voice 8: that reflect all of that but this is just the variance right

[2:40:44] Trustee Fast: this is the variance for setbacks

[2:40:46] Trustee Fast: and that kind of thing okay thank you um i see i'll go to trustee allen first this time

[2:40:51] Trustee Allen: okay now i'm now i'm really confused um so is the power shed still considered

[2:40:58] Trustee Allen: not in compliance heather it

[2:41:04] Voice 8: just needs a variance so the permit um reflects the

[2:41:08] Voice 8: variance that is required for it so

[2:41:10] Trustee Allen: basically it's all about variance now there's nothing

[2:41:13] Trustee Allen: that's okay this is a

[2:41:15] Trustee Fast: vp one two twelve point one

[2:41:17] Trustee Fast: is the variance one yeah right

[2:41:20] Trustee Allen: so no hydrology no nothing no oh okay huh

[2:41:25] Trustee Scott: My only question is, is the applicant okay with this?

[2:41:34] Voice 8: You can probably ask him if he wants to speak to it, but my guess is yes.

[2:41:38] Voice 8: He'd like

[2:41:39] Voice 8: to see the application, the permit issued.

[2:41:43] Voice 8: And this reflects the site plans that he's submitted.

[2:41:47] Trustee Allen: Okay.

[2:41:50] Trustee Fast: Can

[2:41:51] Trustee Allen: we hear for the applicant?

[2:41:52] Trustee Allen: Yes,

[2:41:52] Trustee Fast: I'm just looking over at the attendees list.

[2:41:54] Trustee Fast: I don't see any hands up though maybe the applicant is on the other line or

[2:42:01] Trustee Fast: have oh he's promoted over to the panelists so going to be joining us here

[2:42:07] Trustee Fast: hello Brad Julia let's see if we can okay we can hear you now I think please

[2:42:13] Trustee Fast: go ahead well

[2:42:15] Voice 3: hello chair fast and trustees sorry I'm just

[2:42:18] Voice 3: trying to get my

[2:42:18] Voice 3: video going here but I not sure that

[2:42:20] Voice 3: possible other right there I am nice to

[2:42:24] Voice 3: see everybody again. Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to speak. I was actually

[2:42:30] Voice 3: prepared to discuss quite a few points. The generator was one of them. The power shed is

[2:42:38] Voice 3: another one. Heather, can you exit your screen share for a second? I just want to grab some notes

[2:42:45] Voice 3: here. So I was going to go into detail about the generator, the power shed and the hydrology was

[2:42:52] Voice 3: what's the big one, the sewage, rainwater and hydrology.

[2:42:57] Voice 3: So perhaps given what I just heard,

[2:42:59] Voice 3: and if the trustees agree,

[2:43:02] Voice 3: maybe I don't need to speak about the generator

[2:43:04] Voice 3: or the power shed anymore.

[2:43:07] Trustee Fast: Well, Brad,

[2:43:08] Voice 3: I think Brad, all we

[2:43:09] Trustee Scott: want to know,

[2:43:10] Trustee Scott: are you okay with the wording here?

[2:43:11] Trustee Scott: If you are, then let's just put it up then.

[2:43:15] Voice 3: Absolutely, Trustee Scott, I'm more than happy.

[2:43:18] Voice 3: Heather and I have been in communication

[2:43:21] Voice 3: the past couple of days

[2:43:22] Voice 3: about some of the recent amendments to the drawings and I think right now we

[2:43:27] Voice 3: are happy that everything's reflected accurately and information in the in the

[2:43:32] Voice 3: staff report required some amendment but I am very happy yes so if you don't need

[2:43:39] Voice 3: to hear from me any further I'd gladly just stand by if

[2:43:43] Trustee Fast: you could stand by

[2:43:44] Trustee Fast: until we deal with the development permit which will be

[2:43:47] Trustee Fast: this the sewage in

[2:43:48] Trustee Fast: rainwater that'll be great okay thank you brad go ahead grant i

[2:43:53] Trustee Scott: move that we move what heather

[2:43:56] Trustee Scott: had on

[2:43:57] Trustee Fast: the screen i think we need your wording again heather please thank you please go ahead

[2:44:02] Trustee Fast: trustee scott i

[2:44:04] Trustee Scott: move that um i don't know how i don't exactly know

[2:44:07] Trustee Fast: the local trust committee yeah

[2:44:10] Trustee Scott: oh just the box all we have to do is say that the local we don't need the 2d this is a bit

[2:44:18] Trustee Scott: of confusing the way it went on the 2d

[2:44:19] Trustee Scott: there doesn't that doesn't refer to anything it's it's

[2:44:24] Voice 8: a bullet on the on the draft permit that's attached to your staff report so

[2:44:29] Trustee Scott: should i read just read it

[2:44:30] Trustee Scott: the way it is yep okay so that's a local trust committee move that 2d first bullet of the

[2:44:39] Trustee Scott: The development, draft development,

[2:44:42] Trustee Scott: various permit HOTVP 2020.t

[2:44:46] Trustee Scott: be amended to read a generator 2.0 meters

[2:44:50] Trustee Scott: from an interior side lot line.

[2:44:53] Trustee Scott: And so we can't do the whole thing at once.

[2:44:57] Trustee Scott: Okay, great, good.

[2:44:58] Trustee Fast: Okay, so I heard that seconded.

[2:45:00] Trustee Fast: Any discussion or questions from staff?

[2:45:02] Trustee Fast: If I'm sorry, for staff or the applicant?

[2:45:06] Trustee Fast: Hearing none, I call the question.

[2:45:08] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[2:45:11] Trustee Fast: three hands went up for the record thank you that passes unanimously next one scott grant scott and

[2:45:17] Trustee Scott: that the local trust committee resolver would approve that the site plan labeled a dash by

[2:45:26] Trustee Scott: tank farm plan equipment heights dated january 28 2021 replaced draft schedule e tank farm

[2:45:36] Trustee Scott: of HODDP 2020.2.

[2:45:40] Trustee Scott: Second.

[2:45:41] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:45:42] Trustee Fast: Discussion or questions?

[2:45:45] Trustee Fast: Hearing none, I'll call the question.

[2:45:47] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[2:45:49] Trustee Fast: One, two, three hands went up.

[2:45:51] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[2:45:52] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:45:53] Trustee Fast: Trustee Scott?

[2:45:54] Trustee Scott: And that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee,

[2:45:58] Trustee Scott: that the Hornby Island Local Trust,

[2:46:01] Trustee Scott: there it is, approved issuance

[2:46:03] Trustee Scott: to Development Variance Permit HODDP 2020

[2:46:07] Trustee Scott: that we approve, yeah.

[2:46:10] Trustee Scott: 2020.2.

[2:46:11] Trustee Fast: Okay, good.

[2:46:12] Trustee Fast: And Trustee Allen has seconded questions or discussion?

[2:46:17] Trustee Fast: Hearing none, I'll call the question.

[2:46:19] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[2:46:21] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:46:22] Trustee Fast: That's three hands up.

[2:46:23] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[2:46:24] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[2:46:25] Trustee Fast: And we're on to 12.2, which is the development permit

[2:46:29] Trustee Fast: separate from the development variance permit

[2:46:31] Trustee Fast: that we just passed.

[2:46:31] Trustee Fast: So here comes some new words from Regional Planning Manager Cower up on the screen.

[2:46:39] Trustee Scott: What page are you going to be on, Heather?

[2:46:45] Trustee Fast: This is 92 to 112.

[2:46:55] Voice 8: So, yeah, this is the development permit for this development.

[2:46:59] Voice 8: And you will note that staff had recommended that there be plans associated with it.

[2:47:06] Voice 8: I think we still feel like it's a good idea.

[2:47:08] Voice 8: but not necessarily required and at this point I think we're confident that we could move forward

[2:47:18] Voice 8: with these motions to approve the permit and issue it at this point. Okay thank you very much.

[2:47:25] Voice 8: Questions

[2:47:25] Trustee Fast: for the planner? Does the applicant wish to add anything?

[2:47:33] Voice 3: No chair not at the moment. I

[2:47:36] Voice 3: could speak more about the rainwater catchment the sanitary system and hydrology if you feel

[2:47:46] Voice 3: I

[2:47:46] Trustee Fast: think you might just want to wait and see if there's questions okay thank

[2:47:50] Trustee Fast: you and uh

[2:47:52] Trustee Fast: trustees I'm hearing no questions so would someone like to make the motion

[2:47:58] Trustee Fast: trustee Scott

[2:47:58] Trustee Scott: Alex you want to do this one do

[2:48:01] Trustee Allen: you go ahead I love listening to your voice

[2:48:04] Trustee Scott: yeah right that's that's a local trust

[2:48:07] Trustee Scott: that the local trust committee approved site plan

[2:48:12] Trustee Scott: Plan labeled K-5 Tank Farm Plant Equipment Heights,

[2:48:16] Trustee Scott: dated January 28th, 2020.

[2:48:19] Trustee Scott: And all of a sudden the screen's in front of something else.

[2:48:22] Trustee Scott: It might be something else.

[2:48:23] Trustee Scott: Where did it replace?

[2:48:24] Trustee Scott: Draft Schedule E, Tank Farm Plant HODP 2020.1.

[2:48:31] Trustee Fast: Okay, I think what this is that the, yeah.

[2:48:36] Trustee Fast: Okay, is that clear?

[2:48:38] Trustee Fast: I'm seeing Heather nodding.

[2:48:40] Trustee Fast: Okay, do I have a seconder?

[2:48:42] Trustee Fast: second trustee allen's hand up thank you questions or discussion okay thank you then i'm going to

[2:48:49] Trustee Fast: call the question all those in favor one two and my hand goes up that's three hands up that passes

[2:48:56] Trustee Fast: unanimously thank you very much the second one trustee scott at

[2:49:01] Trustee Scott: the hornby island local trust

[2:49:03] Trustee Scott: approved issuance of development permit i can't read the rest of it

[2:49:08] Trustee Fast: hodp 2020.1 okay

[2:49:12] Trustee Allen: Okay, thank you.

[2:49:14] Trustee Allen: Second.

[2:49:14] Trustee Fast: Second is that, okay, great.

[2:49:16] Trustee Fast: Moved and seconded.

[2:49:17] Trustee Fast: Questions or discussion?

[2:49:20] Trustee Fast: Hearing none, I'll call the question.

[2:49:22] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[2:49:24] Trustee Fast: One, two, and my hand goes up.

[2:49:26] Trustee Fast: Thank you, that passes unanimously.

[2:49:28] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[2:49:29] Trustee Fast: And Brad.

[2:49:31] Trustee Scott: Brad, before you go away.

[2:49:33] Trustee Fast: Yes, I was gonna say, there's time for the applicant,

[2:49:36] Trustee Fast: now that we've made these decisions,

[2:49:37] Trustee Fast: for the applicants to speak.

[2:49:39] Trustee Fast: And Trustee Scott, did you have a question?

[2:49:41] Trustee Fast: I just want to

[2:49:41] Trustee Scott: ask, Brad, do you have all the approvals you need to get that school built?

[2:49:47] Voice 3: I believe we do now.

[2:49:49] Voice 3: I'll defer that to Heather, actually, at the moment.

[2:49:53] Voice 3: But I think I've heard everything that is a unanimous pass.

[2:49:57] Voice 3: I believe we do have everything we need.

[2:49:58] Voice 3: Thank you very much for all the trustees and staff for all your hard work and input.

[2:50:04] Voice 3: We'd like to

[2:50:05] Voice 3: just get this school built and finished.

[2:50:07] Voice 3: Hang

[2:50:08] Trustee Fast: on there for a second.

[2:50:08] Trustee Fast: I'd just

[2:50:09] Trustee Scott: like Heather we got the thanks Heather we we got the permits all done before they get

[2:50:13] Trustee Scott: the school bill the kids move in yay that's

[2:50:16] Trustee Fast: good uh trustee Keller did you have any next steps or

[2:50:20] Trustee Fast: yeah

[2:50:21] Voice 8: yeah I there there is a citing and use permit that still has to be um reviewed and issued um but

[2:50:28] Voice 8: now that we have these we can move that forward fairly quickly

[2:50:31] Voice 29: okay yeah thank

[2:50:34] Trustee Fast: you very much and

[2:50:35] Trustee Fast: And any other questions or discussion about this?

[2:50:41] Trustee Fast: Now we know, and we've done our business today.

[2:50:43] Trustee Fast: Check.

[2:50:44] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, Brad.

[2:50:45] Voice 3: Thank you, everyone.

[2:50:46] Voice 3: Appreciate it, Brad.

[2:50:47] Trustee Fast: And thank you, Heather.

[2:50:48] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:50:49] Trustee Fast: So now

[2:50:50] Trustee Fast: we're going to move on.

[2:50:52] Trustee Fast: Local Trust Committee Project.

[2:50:54] Trustee Fast: So this is 13.1.

[2:50:55] Trustee Fast: This is the minimum average lot size.

[2:50:57] Trustee Fast: Page 113, Grant.

[2:50:59] Trustee Fast: It starts on 113 to 119.

[2:51:02] Trustee Fast: For anybody following along on the agenda.

[2:51:04] Trustee Fast: and uh regional planning manager uh planning manager cowra i think is going to speak to us

[2:51:11] Trustee Fast: about um this nice clear recommendation here good

[2:51:15] Voice 8: so um yeah this is the the top priority project

[2:51:19] Voice 8: that the ltc staff to start working on um and i've drafted a project charter for that

[2:51:26] Voice 8: um there are some options so the the basic issue is that the language of the land use

[2:51:34] Voice 8: By-law is confusing. And as Mr. Gutstein was speaking to earlier on, if you eliminate that

[2:51:42] Voice 8: one section of the Land Use By-law, 8.2.9, it would actually clear up most of the problem,

[2:51:49] Voice 8: most of the confusion. What it does is everybody who reads it is going, okay, so how much land do

[2:51:58] Voice 8: I need to start with in order to subdivide? Is it four hectares or is it eight hectares?

[2:52:04] Voice 8: And with that provision in it, we end up having to read it as eight hectares. You have to have

[2:52:11] Voice 8: eight hectares to subdivide. I think having looked at the bylaws and the full context that that

[2:52:18] Voice 8: wasn't the intention of that, like it wasn't the intention of the bylaw to make it eight hectare

[2:52:24] Voice 8: minimum and so if you eliminate that we go back to a minimum of four hectares um so if you just

[2:52:34] Voice 8: want to fix that problem eliminating that line will do that and it's still a bylaw amendment so

[2:52:40] Voice 8: you still have to do a land use bylaw amendment but potentially that could go fairly quickly i

[2:52:45] Voice 8: would say six months um uh it can't it is eligible to have a public hearing waived for it you know

[2:52:54] Voice 8: so it's just readings of the bylaw that get moved through. So that is option one in terms of your

[2:53:00] Voice 8: project. There are other issues with the bylaw kind of related to this. One of them is that

[2:53:09] Voice 8: the OCP and the LUB are not in alignment around these land use designations. So in the OCP,

[2:53:18] Voice 8: there is the rural residential designation. And we try to have the residential rural designation

[2:53:29] Voice 8: in the OCP line up with R2 zoning. So essentially they should be about the same thing in terms of

[2:53:38] Voice 8: that zoning is implementing it, but they actually have different measurements of how small a lot

[2:53:46] Voice 8: should be. Um, and so, um, in order to really clean things up, you would like those things to

[2:53:53] Voice 8: be consistent. And so that is another option. And we, and we think, you know, as planners going into

[2:53:59] Voice 8: these bylaws, we're like, as long as we're going in and we're doing a bylaw amendment, why don't

[2:54:04] Voice 8: we fix the issues that are there? Right. And that's one of those issues. And we, and a recommendation

[2:54:11] Voice 8: recommendation to you did end up addressing those things. It is a longer process because you're

[2:54:19] Voice 8: amending the OCP. You have two bylaws. You have an OCP amendment bylaw and you have a land use

[2:54:26] Voice 8: amendment bylaw. And the OCP amendment bylaw has to go to the ministry. So it is a longer process.

[2:54:32] Voice 8: It will likely take a year and a half to do that. It would have a

[2:54:35] Trustee Fast: public hearing as well.

[2:54:36] Trustee Fast: It would have

[2:54:37] Voice 8: to have a public hearing. Right. Trustee Scott, did you want to ask?

[2:54:41] Trustee Scott: Yes.

[2:54:43] Voice 8: Go ahead, Trustee Scott.

[2:54:45] Trustee Scott: Thank you. Heather, can we do one and two sort of flowing at the same

[2:54:51] Trustee Scott: time so we can correct the basically the, you know, the point of 8.2.9, hit that off. We said

[2:55:03] Trustee Scott: that was perfect. It sort of cleaned it up, but it didn't clean up everything. Can we do that so

[2:55:07] Trustee Scott: gut steam and these other people don't get caught, but at the same time can we proceed with the other

[2:55:12] Trustee Scott: one to clean up some of the other can we do them not together because that'll lock it all up into

[2:55:17] Trustee Scott: a year and a half can we do the one that would take six months and do the other one at the same

[2:55:21] Trustee Scott: time will take a year and a half yeah

[2:55:23] Voice 8: actually i think we could do that okay yeah

[2:55:26] Voice 8: yep it could

[2:55:28] Voice 8: be done separately that's

[2:55:29] Trustee Allen: exactly my question okay

[2:55:31] Trustee Fast: stream along together yep okay it sounds

[2:55:35] Trustee Fast: like a efficient way uh to go because i agree with you if you're in there looking at the

[2:55:41] Trustee Fast: the working with the text anyway.

[2:55:46] Trustee Fast: Okay, and thank you for this report

[2:55:50] Trustee Fast: and the recommendations that are in front of us then.

[2:55:55] Trustee Fast: So what I'm hearing is to make them run along

[2:55:59] Trustee Fast: beside each other as was just suggested in separate streams.

[2:56:03] Trustee Fast: Would we need to make changes to these recommendations?

[2:56:05] Voice 8: We might, yeah, I would need a couple of minutes

[2:56:08] Voice 8: to look at them and maybe come up with some amendments could

[2:56:12] Trustee Scott: we take a could we

[2:56:13] Trustee Scott: take a five minute ten minute Heather whatever you think you may need a little

[2:56:17] Trustee Scott: bit yourself just to get yourself let's

[2:56:19] Trustee Fast: take ten minutes give us a chance to

[2:56:21] Trustee Fast: make a charity yeah come back together because we're at one o'clock and so

[2:56:25] Trustee Fast: we've got another hour I think we're okay for time I hope and so we'll take a

[2:56:30] Trustee Fast: ten minute break how about that I'm good you good

[2:56:32] Trustee Fast: we'll come back together at

[2:56:33] Trustee Fast: 110 110

[2:56:34] Trustee Allen: 110

[2:56:37] Trustee Fast: 110 112 okay thank you i get it now see you shortly what

[2:56:51] Voice 22: do i get out of here there

[3:04:05] Voice 19: Did somebody want to say something?

[3:04:06] Trustee Fast: Okay, see you in a couple minutes.

[3:07:36] Trustee Fast: Thanks, Vicki.

[3:07:46] Trustee Fast: Trustee Scott.

[3:07:47] Trustee Fast: There he is.

[3:07:54] Trustee Fast: Yeah, we're all still chewing.

[3:07:56] Trustee Fast: Okay, let's reconvene.

[3:07:58] Trustee Fast: We've had, sorry, just sharpening pencils, writing down things.

[3:08:07] Trustee Fast: So we're on section 13.1, and Heather's got some words up there for us.

[3:08:14] Trustee Fast: And Heather, take it away.

[3:08:15] Trustee Fast: All

[3:08:18] Voice 8: right. So it's not actually that different than what I had put on there in the recommendations

[3:08:23] Voice 8: in the first part, but this kind of solidifies, I think, what you asked me to do. So these motions

[3:08:31] Voice 8: reflect an amendment of the draft project charter to reflect those two processes moving simultaneously.

[3:08:38] Voice 8: I did want to mention, because I didn't mention it in the first place, is that currently the OCP

[3:08:45] Voice 8: has policies that would allow for a one hectare parcel in a subdivision if there

[3:08:53] Voice 8: is park dedication or trails as part of that subdivision and so and right now

[3:08:58] Voice 8: there's not an implementing portion of the land use bylaw that would allow for

[3:09:03] Voice 8: that so that is part of my recommendation for the land use bylaw as

[3:09:06] Voice 8: well and it doesn't have to prolong the project in any way very good

[3:09:14] Voice 8: Good.

[3:09:15] Trustee Fast: That's a good kind of thing to make sure that we capture a way to do that. Okay, very good. Questions from the planner? Go ahead, Alex.

[3:09:25] Trustee Allen: No, I just said, can I move it?

[3:09:27] Trustee Fast: Please go ahead. Read them out, please.

[3:09:32] Trustee Allen: And it's actually exciting that maybe we actually get something done in two years. That would be really fun.

[3:09:37] Trustee Allen: on. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, yeah. Anyways, I move that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[3:09:44] Trustee Allen: amend the minimum average lot area amendments draft project charter version 1.0 to reflect

[3:09:50] Trustee Allen: two processes, one official community plan bylaw amendment process, and one land use bylaw

[3:09:56] Trustee Allen: amendment process. Is that one motion?

[3:10:00] Trustee Fast: Yep, very good. Do I have a seconder? Thank you, Grant.

[3:10:05] Trustee Fast: and uh questions for the planner just to be make sure we're all clear this

[3:10:11] Trustee Allen: will really be under two

[3:10:12] Trustee Allen: years hang

[3:10:13] Trustee Fast: on oh sorry was were you uh i

[3:10:18] Trustee Allen: just wanted to ask the planner whether it really

[3:10:20] Trustee Fast: oh your microphone went off i heard you say ask the planner if it's

[3:10:26] Trustee Allen: really going to be under two

[3:10:27] Trustee Allen: years it

[3:10:29] Voice 8: really can be under two years as long as nothing gets added to the scope of the project

[3:10:35] Voice 8: and there's no additional public engagement activities

[3:10:39] Voice 8: that you want us to take.

[3:10:40] Voice 8: And there's always that possibility.

[3:10:42] Voice 8: So if you get halfway through the project

[3:10:44] Voice 8: and you're like, you know what, we need another CIM

[3:10:46] Voice 8: or we need an open house or something like that.

[3:10:50] Voice 8: If the LTC chooses to do something like that,

[3:10:54] Voice 8: that will extend the length of the process.

[3:10:56] Voice 8: But aside from that, if you go with the process

[3:11:00] Voice 8: that I'm recommending, it really can take six months.

[3:11:03] Voice 8: and

[3:11:05] Trustee Fast: you need it to be a good process anyway so trustee scott we can't hear you

[3:11:13] i

[3:11:17] Trustee Scott: muted myself oh

[3:11:19] Trustee Allen: god it's the most common word line

[3:11:22] Trustee Scott: so heather do these four motions

[3:11:26] Trustee Scott: accomplish the two things that we talked about earlier first of all it clears up that

[3:11:31] Trustee Scott: you know the r2 that second page that one gets that out of the way that's the sooner process

[3:11:39] Trustee Scott: and you've also added about the trails something or other does that is that

[3:11:44] Trustee Scott: become part of that first one the shorter time frame one yes okay so those

[3:11:49] Trustee Scott: two okay and then the rest of this deals with that longer term changing the OCP

[3:11:54] Trustee Scott: that's right

[3:11:55] Trustee Scott: okay great I just I try to reach with these words and I kind of get

[3:11:59] Trustee Scott: lost so all right I'm trusting you okay

[3:12:02] Voice 7: okay yeah

[3:12:05] Trustee Scott: sorry

[3:12:07] Trustee Scott: Sorry, Sue Ellen, I'm actually chair, sorry.

[3:12:11] Trustee Fast: I can see

[3:12:12] Trustee Scott: you need to move on.

[3:12:14] Trustee Fast: But I think we've had, Alex moved it.

[3:12:16] Trustee Fast: Does this mean that you're

[3:12:17] Trustee Fast: seconding number one?

[3:12:19] Trustee Scott: Yeah, I'll second it.

[3:12:20] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:12:20] Trustee Fast: And more discussion on the first one there that you read?

[3:12:25] Trustee Fast: No.

[3:12:26] Trustee Fast: Are we okay?

[3:12:27] Voice 23: Yeah.

[3:12:28] Trustee Fast: Then I'll call the question on number one.

[3:12:30] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[3:12:32] Trustee Fast: Two hands and mind.

[3:12:34] Trustee Fast: It passes unanimously.

[3:12:35] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:12:36] Trustee Fast: Please go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[3:12:37] Trustee Fast: I

[3:12:38] Trustee Allen: move that the bylaws referenced in the Project Charter version 1.0 are processed simultaneously

[3:12:47] Trustee Allen: but not dependent on each other.

[3:12:49] Trustee Fast: Do I have a seconder?

[3:12:52] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Scott.

[3:12:54] Trustee Fast: Questions or discussion?

[3:12:56] Trustee Fast: Nice and clear.

[3:12:58] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:12:58] Trustee Fast: All those in favour?

[3:13:00] Trustee Fast: One, two, three hands went up.

[3:13:02] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[3:13:03] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:13:04] Trustee Fast: Number three.

[3:13:05] Trustee Fast: That

[3:13:06] Trustee Allen: the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee endorse the minimum average lot area amendments

[3:13:10] Trustee Allen: project charter version 1.0 as amended.

[3:13:14] Trustee Fast: Do I have a seconder?

[3:13:15] Trustee Fast: This is the project charter.

[3:13:17] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[3:13:17] Trustee Fast: Trustee Scott, thank you.

[3:13:19] Trustee Fast: Questions or discussion?

[3:13:22] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:13:23] Trustee Fast: Then I'll call the question.

[3:13:25] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[3:13:27] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[3:13:29] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:13:30] Trustee Fast: Go ahead.

[3:13:31] Trustee Allen: That the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare draft amendments

[3:13:35] Trustee Allen: to the Warranty Island Official Community Plan

[3:13:37] Trustee Allen: that will eliminate references to measurements

[3:13:39] Trustee Allen: for minimum lot size and minimum average lot area

[3:13:42] Trustee Allen: in land use destinations.

[3:13:45] Trustee Fast: Okay, a seconder?

[3:13:48] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Scott.

[3:13:50] Trustee Fast: This is clear, nobody's got questions.

[3:13:53] Trustee Fast: I'm gonna call the question.

[3:13:55] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[3:13:57] Trustee Fast: One, two, three.

[3:13:58] Trustee Fast: My hand went up as well, that makes three.

[3:14:01] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously, thank you.

[3:14:02] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[3:14:04] Trustee Allen: Do I have to do ABC separately

[3:14:05] Trustee Allen: or can I do them all together under five?

[3:14:08] Trustee Allen: Okay, the Hormie Island Local Trust Committee

[3:14:10] Trustee Allen: request staff to prepare draft amendments

[3:14:11] Trustee Allen: to the Hormie Island Land Use By-law

[3:14:13] Trustee Allen: that will A, make references to minimum average lot area

[3:14:17] Trustee Allen: internally consistent with the provisions

[3:14:19] Trustee Allen: of residential two large lot R2 zoning.

[3:14:21] Trustee Allen: B, require properties to be a minimum of 4.0 hectares

[3:14:26] Trustee Allen: to subdivide in residential two large lot R2 zoning

[3:14:30] Trustee Allen: and C, allow for lots that are less than one hectare

[3:14:33] Trustee Allen: in size and residential two large lot R2 zoning

[3:14:36] Trustee Allen: where the subdivision results in dedication

[3:14:39] Trustee Allen: of a park, ecological reserve, community land trust

[3:14:43] Trustee Allen: or other community service use consistent

[3:14:45] Trustee Allen: with policy 6.3.3.1 of the Hornby Island

[3:14:49] Trustee Allen: official community plan.

[3:14:52] Trustee Fast: Do I have a seconder?

[3:14:54] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Grant.

[3:14:56] Trustee Fast: And I'll just put in a little bit of discussion.

[3:15:00] Trustee Fast: For this meeting, I really dug into the OCP

[3:15:03] Trustee Fast: and and I've read some of these words and I anyway it's six point three point

[3:15:10] Trustee Fast: three point one I was looking at that I've got it here on my screen so just in

[3:15:14] Trustee Fast: case anybody was wondering um thank you questions or discussion I'm gonna call

[3:15:21] Trustee Fast: the question all those in favor one two three and my hand goes up three hands

[3:15:27] Trustee Fast: passes unanimously thank you very much Heather for making that clear for us and

[3:15:34] Trustee Fast: and helping the trustees.

[3:15:38] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:15:38] Trustee Fast: So that's any discussion about next steps

[3:15:42] Trustee Fast: or we'll just wait for Heather to come back to us.

[3:15:47] Trustee Scott: No,

[3:15:47] Trustee Fast: I'm hearing no questions.

[3:15:49] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Heather.

[3:15:50] Trustee Fast: Okay, so we're on to correspondence

[3:15:51] Trustee Fast: and that's the letter from 14.1 is page one.

[3:15:55] Trustee Fast: Hold

[3:15:55] Trustee Scott: on, I'm sorry.

[3:15:57] Trustee Scott: So Heather, you'll be able to bring something

[3:16:00] Trustee Scott: to the next meeting.

[3:16:03] Trustee Scott: Yep, I sure will.

[3:16:04] Trustee Scott: Yeah, okay, great, thank you.

[3:16:06] Trustee Scott: good

[3:16:07] Trustee Fast: okay we're moving along to page 120 120 this is the letter um from people interested

[3:16:14] Trustee Fast: in this very topic so i imagine that they've been uh uh listening i see we still got nine

[3:16:20] Trustee Fast: people in the attendance list and some of them are um listed as um letter authors so they will

[3:16:27] Trustee Fast: have just got the news do we need to discuss this further or can we move on i'm seeing no hands

[3:16:34] Trustee Fast: going up because we just made a decision that had to do with this letter and i've lost grant scott

[3:16:40] Trustee Fast: from my screen grant are you still with us you are okay good thank you just checking i i want i

[3:16:47] Trustee Fast: don't want to go on with the meeting if there's no no

[3:16:49] Trustee Scott: i didn't want you guys watching me munching

[3:16:50] Trustee Scott: on a sandwich that's all i

[3:16:52] Trustee Fast: know we're we've all got uh bits and pieces i just wanted before we

[3:16:56] Trustee Fast: just checking in occasionally so um salmon we're moving on now um to page 124 bylaw enforcement

[3:17:06] Trustee Fast: update so this is page 124 and um it's just uh a brief oh wait a minute yeah it's just a brief

[3:17:21] Trustee Fast: report um i think we had asked for this i'm not sure but anyway bylaw infraction status update

[3:17:29] Trustee Fast: it's from Heather if anybody has questions she'll probably come back

[3:17:34] Trustee Fast: she's chewing too I thought we'd all be chewing yes go ahead trustee Allen yeah

[3:17:41] Trustee Allen: just wondering whether we get more specific details about the files like

[3:17:45] Trustee Allen: what Warren gives us at Trust Council or is that not um

[3:17:50] Voice 8: I don't have

[3:17:51] Voice 8: that I don't

[3:17:53] Voice 8: have that with me we could have a report like that on the next agenda if you'd

[3:17:58] Voice 8: like it um but i but i also think warren can provide that information at your request okay

[3:18:05] Voice 8: i can check you know what i mean i can check in

[3:18:07] Voice 8: with him yeah

[3:18:09] Trustee Allen: just curious in terms of what

[3:18:11] Trustee Allen: you know what whether something's gone some things are more infractions in certain areas

[3:18:14] Trustee Allen: in the last year that's all over others but i will contact warren okay

[3:18:19] Trustee Fast: okay thank you any other

[3:18:22] Trustee Fast: other questions for the planner then i'm going to move on so uh next up is a page uh oh this is

[3:18:30] Trustee Fast: the comox community to community meetings and planning process we had the meeting uh comox

[3:18:36] Trustee Fast: invited us to a meeting along with the regional district uh staff and elected officials and many

[3:18:42] Trustee Fast: others and uh but i don't think anything is active yet on that is that true heather this is we don't

[3:18:51] Trustee Fast: have the heritage or do you know no

[3:18:53] Voice 8: they they aren't active um because of covid in their

[3:18:56] Voice 8: community they've postponed rolling this permitting process out right yeah like many other uh

[3:19:04] Trustee Fast: wonderful projects it's off off to the side at the moment because more pressing and more urgent

[3:19:10] Trustee Fast: issues so we'll come back to this on a future agenda um now we're moving on to permits and

[3:19:18] Trustee Fast: first nations impacts i think we should leave this for the next agenda too grant if that's okay with

[3:19:22] Trustee Fast: you what

[3:19:24] Voice 29: page is it um

[3:19:26] Trustee Fast: it's not on a page we just had it on as something we wanted to discuss after

[3:19:30] Trustee Fast: the comox meeting but the comox haven't started their permitting process or their their whole

[3:19:36] Trustee Fast: uh plan that they talked to us about hasn't um come into effect yet so do you want to hold off

[3:19:42] Trustee Fast: until it does well

[3:19:46] Trustee Scott: yes except regardless of what they do i'm more concerned about what we do and

[3:19:52] Trustee Scott: heather do you know that the thatch eventually i kind of we we held that that permit up for two

[3:20:01] Trustee Scott: meetings basically because i didn't feel comfortable that that comox was fully aware

[3:20:08] Trustee Scott: of what was going on there with the skull interview so my fear you heard me say earlier

[3:20:14] Trustee Scott: We're going to run into that again. I know we are on Hornby here, and there's going to be developments on the waterfront, and there's going to be more work done at the thatch, for example.

[3:20:24] Trustee Scott: So I'm really wondering, do we have to move further in this process, or can we now, I guess this is a question for you, can we now, whenever we get an application that's within, we suspect there might be something, can we forward that to Comarch directly?

[3:20:42] Trustee Scott: because initially we remember we had the problem with that wasn't our job look

[3:20:47] Trustee Scott: if we do that now

[3:20:48] Trustee Scott: i feel comfortable that we send it to them directly then we have informed them and then

[3:20:54] Trustee Scott: they take it the problem the other way is we don't know where it goes it goes to the art branch

[3:20:59] Trustee Scott: so as long as we're all right with that i'm comfortable now that we postpone it until we

[3:21:05] Trustee Scott: clarify these other things so is that okay i'm

[3:21:10] Trustee Fast: seeing heather nodding um i believe uh through

[3:21:13] Trustee Fast: Through that process, you started to build some relationships and you did have a way

[3:21:18] Trustee Fast: to be in contact with them, Heather?

[3:21:21] Voice 8: Yeah, I mean, it's a broader question for our organization.

[3:21:26] Voice 8: You know, we have been trying to figure, because each permitting process has its own

[3:21:33] Voice 8: legislated process, right?

[3:21:35] Voice 8: And the applicants have legal rights in terms of how fast we can, you know, how we process

[3:21:43] Voice 8: their permits. But the bigger answer is, yes, we absolutely could inform the Comox First Nation

[3:21:53] Voice 8: every time we get a permit on Hornby Island, if that's how we wanted to function. And of any type.

[3:22:01] Voice 8: Right now, we send rezoning applications. Typically, we will say, if we're doing a

[3:22:10] Voice 8: a bylaw amendment will recommend to you that it be referred to First Nations. We haven't been

[3:22:16] Voice 8: doing that with lesser kinds of permits, like development permits and development variance

[3:22:20] Voice 8: permits. Like

[3:22:22] Voice 7: some of the ones we've

[3:22:22] Voice 8: dealt with today. Yeah. And so we could do that. We could

[3:22:26] Voice 8: just inform them each time we have a permit on Hornby Island. And that would be the easiest way

[3:22:33] Voice 8: to kind of do that. We as an organization haven't decided that we're going to do that

[3:22:40] Voice 8: all across Islands Trust and it may be worth a conversation with Trust Council about it.

[3:22:46] Voice 8: But if you guys, you guys, sorry, if the trustees passed a motion asking staff to forward all

[3:22:55] Voice 8: applications to Comox First Nation, we could absolutely do that. If that's what your pleasure

[3:23:02] Voice 8: That

[3:23:02] Trustee Fast: might be a good step.

[3:23:04] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[3:23:06] Trustee Allen: Yeah, I was under the assumption that the reason why we're not doing this at the local level is because the province is not doing it.

[3:23:14] Trustee Allen: And that it's some, like, can the staff provide any information about that?

[3:23:20] Trustee Allen: The province doesn't even have that in terms of acknowledgement, sorry, with nations over development.

[3:23:27] Trustee Allen: Is that correct?

[3:23:28] Trustee Allen: And that's the reason why we're kind of in limbo land and we're doing our own thing right now?

[3:23:33] Voice 8: Well, yeah, I mean, it's because there are certain legislative things.

[3:23:39] Voice 8: So we are legislatively, the province is legislative, really, required to consult with First Nations on certain things.

[3:23:47] Voice 8: Official community plans is one of those things, right?

[3:23:50] Voice 8: But there's no legislation that requires anyone, the province or the local government, to consult with First Nations on other kinds of things.

[3:24:00] Voice 8: like our permitting process there's just nothing that requires us to do that it doesn't prevent us

[3:24:06] Voice 8: from doing it um and we have to distinguish between referral and consultation and what that

[3:24:13] Voice 8: means versus just informing them for

[3:24:17] Trustee Fast: information yeah

[3:24:18] Voice 8: for information so i mean there's nothing

[3:24:21] Voice 8: stopping us from informing the first nation that we're doing it um what it'll it would get sticky

[3:24:28] Voice 8: then if they came back and said okay we're opposed to it so we don't want you to issue it um that's

[3:24:34] Voice 8: when we might have to get lawyers involved because because the legislation is not cut caught up to

[3:24:39] Voice 8: our commitments first nations and i'll

[3:24:43] Trustee Fast: just jump in here i saw your hand uh trustee scott but

[3:24:46] Trustee Fast: you know i'm looking at this is trust council's strategic plan and uh we had um uh we have

[3:24:53] Trustee Fast: have already done most of this adopt a reconciliation declaration adopt and implement a

[3:24:58] Trustee Fast: reconciliation action plan i can't remember where we are on that i think we're part way on that and

[3:25:05] Trustee Fast: develop a trust-wide uh archaeological impact strategy and establish a cultural working group

[3:25:11] Trustee Fast: i know we've got the cultural working group established already and uh i don't think we've

[3:25:16] Trustee Fast: got a trust-wide archaeological impact strategy yet but those are directions we're working in

[3:25:21] Trustee Fast: for this term according to this and so that's just some of the bigger background

[3:25:27] Trustee Fast: but what do you think about this idea of sending out everything even though it might slow down the

[3:25:35] Trustee Fast: processes which I've heard is a concern of these trust of a few trustees of this trust local trust

[3:25:40] Trustee Fast: committee but it it might be a very respectful and for information kind of first step well that

[3:25:51] Trustee Scott: That's kind of my point. It is that first step.

[3:25:54] Trustee Scott: And what it does is it kind of bypasses, of course, that's the wrong way of putting it.

[3:26:03] Trustee Scott: It supports the existing process where the proponent gets a permit from the ARC branch.

[3:26:09] Trustee Scott: If there's any suspicion, it's within a midden or something.

[3:26:11] Trustee Scott: The ARC branch, then it goes to the First Nations and the Comox to see this clearinghouse they have.

[3:26:19] Trustee Scott: and then it comes back that's that's the internal first nations process there's a bunch of problems

[3:26:25] Trustee Scott: in that number one the art branch really doesn't know where most of the archaeological sites

[3:26:32] Trustee Scott: are that's number one so they can issue a permit when um they don't really have the local knowledge

[3:26:39] Trustee Scott: you know whether it's right or not that's to me that is really a huge problem if we form

[3:26:44] Trustee Scott: inform Comox directly then what we're saying is okay look this is what's going on here how what

[3:26:52] Trustee Scott: do you want to do with it I think so I think that's a good first step better that we get

[3:26:57] Trustee Scott: direction on what we actually do with it but there's Heather you pointed out and Sue Allen

[3:27:06] Trustee Scott: that's all part of trust's policy process going on somewhere else so I see that as a good start

[3:27:12] Trustee Scott: Now, the only question I have, Heather, is would we be better just to not send them all to them so that we don't kind of get into this huge bureaucratic back and forth thing or send only the ones where we suspect there may be an impact?

[3:27:28] Trustee Scott: like if we see see if we see an interior one somebody's doing something in the land and

[3:27:33] Trustee Scott: they're applied for a permit to send that to coma they don't want to get it probably but if we know

[3:27:39] Trustee Scott: that there's one on the shoreline and there's a beach and there's a good chance of a midden there

[3:27:43] Trustee Scott: those are the ones i see we have a responsibility for so this is my only question do we send them

[3:27:49] Trustee Scott: all to them or we just send the ones where local knowledge tells us that we should

[3:27:53] Trustee Scott: that's a question

[3:27:58] Voice 8: we ask ourselves um as well i mean there those are options you know you could

[3:28:03] Voice 8: say everything on the shoreline is going to go to them or

[3:28:08] Voice 15: um

[3:28:09] Voice 8: you know we for all of our permits we

[3:28:13] Voice 8: do a preliminary archaeological review there is a mapping system that we use to rely on that to see

[3:28:20] Voice 8: if there is a mapped you know thing if it's potentially a thing and um and in those cases

[3:28:29] Voice 8: we use that as a trigger for uh getting the art branch involved for instance and so um we could

[3:28:36] Voice 8: use that same process you know if

[3:28:39] Voice 8: it's something that we've that we suspect might have an issue

[3:28:43] Voice 8: we could then also inform the first nation directly i

[3:28:48] Trustee Scott: like that i mean i don't think we

[3:28:50] Trustee Scott: need to send them all there i think the shoreline the shoreline ones i think are the ones or the key

[3:28:55] Trustee Scott: ones

[3:28:55] Voice 23: there's

[3:28:57] Trustee Scott: not going to be a we're not going to find a burial site or a mid you know away from the

[3:29:03] Trustee Scott: shoreline there may be culturally modified trees there may be other things there but it's we're not

[3:29:08] Trustee Scott: going to find anyway that would be the one

[3:29:11] Trustee Scott: i would prefer because i don't want to get i don't want to

[3:29:14] Trustee Scott: to create more bureaucracy that's for everybody.

[3:29:17] Trustee Scott: It isn't going to be appreciated.

[3:29:19] Trustee Fast: We could ask them.

[3:29:21] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[3:29:22] Trustee Allen: Well, just in terms of the waterfront

[3:29:24] Trustee Allen: and non-waterfront grant,

[3:29:28] Trustee Allen: our water license at the gas bar,

[3:29:31] Trustee Allen: I got notification from the province

[3:29:33] Trustee Allen: that Comox First Nations does want to know,

[3:29:36] Trustee Allen: they had concerns about water usage on our island.

[3:29:39] Trustee Allen: And so I will have to now give a report

[3:29:42] Trustee Allen: on water usage to them yearly.

[3:29:45] Trustee Allen: So, and that's, you know, in the interior of the island.

[3:29:48] Trustee Allen: So we can't assume everything is not going to be affect,

[3:29:52] Trustee Allen: affect them in some way.

[3:29:53] Trustee Allen: That was a referral.

[3:29:54] Trustee Allen: So I'm not sure how that's going to affect

[3:29:57] Trustee Allen: other applications.

[3:30:00] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Alex. And just a little bit of thought here. I think the Comox are ready to go from that meeting. They have a process and a way forward that they've been working on and that they're almost ready to get into, except COVID got in the way.

[3:30:24] Trustee Fast: so i think what we're talking about here is something interim uh and um uh maybe what we

[3:30:32] Trustee Fast: want to do is ask heather to consult with our uh senior intergovernmental policy advisor

[3:30:37] Trustee Fast: for a recommendation around um an interim measure uh to better inform uh and uh uh and be in touch

[3:30:49] Trustee Fast: with the Comox First Nation, something like that? Yeah. So a motion might be that the Hornby Island

[3:31:00] Trustee Fast: Local Trust Committee request staff to consult with the senior intergovernmental advisor

[3:31:09] Trustee Fast: advisor, about recommendations for informing COMOC's First Nation of shoreline applications

[3:31:25] Trustee Fast: and changes.

[3:31:27] Trustee Scott: Potential infringement on their, I think is the word.

[3:31:32] Trustee Fast: Well, I was sort of thinking about all of them.

[3:31:34] Trustee Fast: And here's why, Grant, because who are we to say that this gives it, this lets Lisa

[3:31:41] Trustee Fast: Lisa talked to them and see what they come back with.

[3:31:46] Trustee Fast: But I don't know, maybe you want to say you want to,

[3:31:49] Trustee Fast: I'm no expert and I know how little I know here on Bowen.

[3:31:54] Trustee Fast: Maybe you've got way more knowledge there,

[3:31:57] Trustee Fast: but I would, what I'm suggesting is that Lisa come back

[3:32:00] Trustee Fast: with recommendations of the wording for the motion

[3:32:03] Trustee Fast: that we pass next meeting for some interim thing.

[3:32:07] Trustee Fast: So what I've got so far.

[3:32:09] Trustee Fast: well

[3:32:09] Trustee Scott: i can't it can't certainly can't hurt for heather to do that um and then we could it just

[3:32:16] Trustee Scott: and i don't see any applications coming right now that might get caught up in this situation uh so

[3:32:24] Trustee Scott: maybe

[3:32:24] Trustee Allen: pardon

[3:32:25] Trustee Scott: you

[3:32:26] Trustee Allen: might be wrong when we get to that section sorry so it might be good to have

[3:32:33] Trustee Allen: something

[3:32:33] Trustee Scott: heather you you were involved in this whole fetch thing and all right what do you think

[3:32:37] Trustee Scott: you were on that zoom call with comox yeah

[3:32:40] Voice 8: i yeah i think informing would be is doable you know you

[3:32:45] Voice 8: can inform very easily through an email i i i am taking what sure fast is saying about asking the

[3:32:53] Voice 8: comox about their preference because maybe they don't want to see all of our permits maybe they

[3:32:58] Trustee Scott: don't want to you know maybe they don't have

[3:32:59] Voice 8: the capacity to do that right i

[3:33:01] Trustee Scott: think that's a good

[3:33:02] Trustee Scott: good point before you talk to Lisa actually talk to Comox the band manager there I can't remember

[3:33:10] Trustee Scott: her name now but she's very you know I think that's a good that would be a good idea I'd

[3:33:15] Trustee Scott: recommend that first Sue Ellen then coming out of that then talk to Lisa I

[3:33:22] Trustee Fast: would just say whatever

[3:33:23] Trustee Fast: order because you never know who's in the office when but I would just like to leave that up to

[3:33:28] Trustee Fast: to staff grant I think your point is taken and um I don't know if anybody caught that motion

[3:33:34] Trustee Fast: Vicki did you have that Vicki I

[3:33:39] Voice 12: have the motion that you put on that you it wasn't on the table

[3:33:43] Voice 12: yet but that you were suggesting yes I got that

[3:33:46] Voice 12: one can you read it out uh move that the Hornby

[3:33:49] Voice 12: on a local trust committee request staff to consult with the senior intergovernmental advisor

[3:33:55] Voice 12: about recommendations for informing Comox First Nation of shoreline applications and changes

[3:34:03] Trustee Fast: Grant?

[3:34:04] Trustee Scott: Well, right in there,

[3:34:07] Trustee Scott: also to discuss with the Comox First Nation

[3:34:11] Trustee Scott: and see what their preference is.

[3:34:13] Trustee Scott: You've got to be really careful on this stuff

[3:34:15] Trustee Scott: because it almost sounds patronizing

[3:34:16] Trustee Scott: when we're starting to talk amongst ourselves

[3:34:18] Trustee Scott: about what we're

[3:34:18] Trustee Scott: going to do to work with them.

[3:34:20] Trustee Fast: This is a very draft.

[3:34:23] Trustee Scott: We get caught up in this thing all the time.

[3:34:26] Trustee Scott: I think to ask them first.

[3:34:29] Trustee Scott: I still think that's important.

[3:34:31] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:34:32] Trustee Fast: Okay, so nothing about us without us, right?

[3:34:36] Trustee Fast: And so in that motion, just a second.

[3:34:41] Trustee Fast: I'll think about this for a second while Alex, go ahead.

[3:34:45] Trustee Allen: I don't like the word changes in your motion.

[3:34:48] Trustee Allen: It sounds vague.

[3:34:50] Trustee Allen: I mean, are we talking about significant applications?

[3:34:53] Trustee Allen: Like what were you meaning by changes?

[3:34:55] Trustee Allen: You're talking about other parts

[3:34:56] Trustee Allen: of the island.

[3:34:57] Trustee Allen: You're trying to incorporate that, right?

[3:34:59] Trustee Allen: Not just waterfront.

[3:35:00] Trustee Fast: Is that why you said changes?

[3:35:01] Trustee Fast: It says all shoreline applications and changes.

[3:35:05] Trustee Fast: That could be, what should it be?

[3:35:07] Trustee Fast: Land use changes?

[3:35:11] Trustee Allen: I

[3:35:13] Trustee Fast: tell you what.

[3:35:14] Trustee Scott: Yeah.

[3:35:15] Trustee Scott: It's not land use changes.

[3:35:16] Trustee Scott: It's applications.

[3:35:18] Trustee Allen: Significant applications.

[3:35:20] Trustee Allen: And then, you know,

[3:35:21] Trustee Allen: obviously it's going to change once they're being consulted in terms of

[3:35:25] Trustee Allen: how they.

[3:35:27] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:35:27] Trustee Fast: How about we

[3:35:28] Trustee Fast: leave out the word all and significant and just say

[3:35:31] Trustee Fast: shoreline applications,

[3:35:32] Trustee Fast: But that LTC staff requests, sorry, that the LTC requests staff to consult with Comox First Nation and the senior intergovernmental advisor about how best to inform Comox First Nation about shoreline.

[3:35:55] Trustee Scott: No, I don't take the word shoreline.

[3:35:57] Trustee Scott: I just talk about applications that may impact Comox's rights.

[3:36:03] Trustee Fast: And title.

[3:36:04] Trustee Allen: Yeah, I like that.

[3:36:05] Trustee Allen: something like that.

[3:36:06] Trustee Fast: Okay, that may impact.

[3:36:09] Trustee Allen: Commerce First Nations rights and title.

[3:36:12] Trustee Scott: Okay.

[3:36:14] Trustee Scott: I think that's vague enough to leave it up to Heather

[3:36:17] Trustee Scott: to see what they say.

[3:36:21] Trustee Fast: Well, if one of you trustees would like to make that motion.

[3:36:25] Trustee Allen: Go ahead, Grant.

[3:36:26] Trustee Fast: I think Grant

[3:36:27] Trustee Scott: just made it.

[3:36:28] Trustee Scott: Vicki, can you read that out

[3:36:29] Trustee Scott: or put it up on the screen or something, please?

[3:36:33] Voice 12: Well, let's see if I got it.

[3:36:34] Voice 12: So move that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[3:36:37] Voice 12: committee request staff to consult with the Comox First Nation and the senior governmental advisor

[3:36:42] Voice 12: about how best to inform the Comox First Nation about how applications may impact First Nation

[3:36:49] Voice 12: rights and title?

[3:36:50] Trustee Scott: Yeah, I think just say Comox First Nation's rights and title. We're not

[3:36:55] Trustee Scott: getting in the generality of it, just the specific one with Comox. Okay. That's good. I'll make that

[3:37:00] Trustee Fast: that

[3:37:00] Trustee Scott: motion okay

[3:37:01] Trustee Fast: thank you grant and

[3:37:03] Trustee Scott: i'll second that

[3:37:04] Trustee Fast: thank you seconder alex allen and um any more

[3:37:10] Trustee Fast: discussion okay all those in favor you

[3:37:14] Trustee Scott: okay with that heather yeah

[3:37:16] Trustee Fast: thank you that passes unanimously

[3:37:19] Trustee Fast: and are you

[3:37:20] Trustee Scott: okay with that grant are you

[3:37:23] Trustee Allen: okay with that

[3:37:24] Trustee Scott: grant yes i am i just want to make sure the

[3:37:26] Trustee Scott: person that has to go and do it is okay with that so i

[3:37:29] Trustee Fast: was trying to consult with her throughout so

[3:37:31] Trustee Fast: So I didn't, I was watching your eyebrows carefully.

[3:37:36] Trustee Fast: Let's move on now to 15.4, Connected Coast for discussion.

[3:37:40] Trustee Fast: There's no page number with it, Grant.

[3:37:43] Trustee Fast: The next two are sort of linked as Karen told us.

[3:37:50] Trustee Allen: Roughly what?

[3:37:51] Trustee Fast: Comox, letter of approval.

[3:37:53] Trustee Allen: Yeah, I put that on our agenda because I guess,

[3:37:59] Trustee Allen: Yes, because considering when we had the big radio tower controversy on the island, it was a huge sea reaction from the community in terms of not wanting it.

[3:38:08] Trustee Allen: And people have a lot of concerns over wireless internet, basically.

[3:38:16] Trustee Allen: basically and so I didn't feel comfortable with us just blankly writing a letter of approval

[3:38:23] Trustee Allen: of support on this until I think we had consulted with community and also got more information what

[3:38:30] Trustee Allen: exactly TELUS is doing and what their fiber optics and what happens when the fiber optics hit our

[3:38:34] Trustee Allen: ground on our island are they going to be fiber optics from the telephone pole to our houses or

[3:38:41] Trustee Allen: are they going to be wireless we're not getting any information on that and I just felt that the

[3:38:45] Trustee Allen: The community would probably like to know a bit more about that before we sign a letter of approval.

[3:38:50] Trustee Allen: And also given the fact that technology is changing so much that you've got Elon Musk launching satellites daily and providing Internet services to, ironically enough, we are in the latitude, Hornby Island, that is being offered, though the cost is kind of expensive.

[3:39:06] Trustee Allen: So I'd like to know information about the cost.

[3:39:09] Trustee Allen: There's a lot of unanswered questions with us just assuming just to sign approval letter.

[3:39:12] Trustee Allen: That's where I was coming from.

[3:39:14] Trustee Fast: So who best to get the information from, I wonder?

[3:39:17] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Scott.

[3:39:19] Trustee Scott: Alex, aren't we just asking, aren't they just asking us to support them in their application?

[3:39:25] Trustee Scott: No, and yes.

[3:39:27] Trustee Scott: Isn't that all?

[3:39:28] Trustee Scott: I mean.

[3:39:28] Trustee Allen: No, they're asking us to approve a particular company.

[3:39:34] Trustee Allen: Remember the company that came and talked to us that could be contracted out by TELUS?

[3:39:39] Trustee Scott: Who's asking us to do that?

[3:39:41] Trustee Allen: HiSeek.

[3:39:42] Trustee Allen: So HiSeek, and I already emailed Karen Ross about this.

[3:39:45] Trustee Allen: and she said she might be in the meeting right now she said that she could possibly organize

[3:39:51] Trustee Allen: another information meeting via zoom regarding what's going to happen when the fiber optics hit

[3:39:56] Trustee Allen: the island

[3:39:56] Trustee Scott: when did she need this letter of support from us by when i thought she needed

[3:40:03] Trustee Scott: it relatively soon i

[3:40:04] Trustee Allen: thought it's the end of february well when i

[3:40:07] Trustee Allen: is

[3:40:07] Trustee Fast: karen she's not there

[3:40:09] Trustee Fast: and I

[3:40:11] Trustee Fast: don't recognize well to be honest I don't recognize many Hornby Island names I'm bad with

[3:40:17] Trustee Fast: names to begin with so it's possible they're there if you click the attendees tab but I'm

[3:40:24] Trustee Fast: sorry

[3:40:24] Trustee Allen: I don't feel comfortable writing supporting this until I have more information and I wish

[3:40:30] Trustee Fast: there was something in the agenda that I could look at because I'm not sure what we would be

[3:40:34] Trustee Fast: approving. Somehow it didn't get in.

[3:40:39] Trustee Allen: It's basically fiber optic connectivity that's

[3:40:42] Trustee Allen: been offered by the federal and provincial government and Hornby and Denman are now

[3:40:46] Trustee Allen: sort of being approved for that the next stage but we did have a man from I forget the name of

[3:40:52] Trustee Allen: the company in Comox Valley who talked about fiber optics and but I still wanted I had more

[3:40:59] Trustee Allen: questions but there was enough time to get answers.

[3:41:01] Trustee Fast: Do you want to request staff to bring

[3:41:04] Trustee Fast: us some kind of a report no

[3:41:06] Trustee Scott: no i don't think so i kind of i i want to move on this thing right away

[3:41:14] Trustee Scott: i talked to karen about it i've heard about it i know what they're doing about it and we need

[3:41:18] Trustee Scott: it badly look at how poor it is here i mean it's ridiculous right um how poor we need this fiber

[3:41:25] Trustee Scott: optic so all of the kind of stuff we're trying to do here works she needs that letter sooner

[3:41:29] Trustee Scott: sooner than later. What if we Alex, what if we say, we,

[3:41:34] Trustee Scott: we approve the letter subject to you clarifying some of these points with

[3:41:38] Trustee Scott: Karen. So we don't have to get into another process over it.

[3:41:44] Trustee Allen: I

[3:41:44] Trustee Scott: just like to get the letter out supporting them because everything I saw in

[3:41:48] Trustee Scott: it, Denman wants it. And we're linked to them.

[3:41:50] Trustee Scott: It's going to come from Vancouver Island to Denman.

[3:41:53] Trustee Scott: But

[3:41:53] Trustee Allen: there's so many other new technologies. Now we could get it.

[3:41:56] Trustee Allen: We don't even have to have it. We can get us.

[3:41:58] Trustee Allen: there's a satellites right now that exist.

[3:42:00] Trustee Allen: So why would we just

[3:42:01] Trustee Scott: go this one option without information?

[3:42:03] Trustee Scott: Federal government money is here right now

[3:42:05] Trustee Scott: to support this thing.

[3:42:06] Trustee Scott: If we, it sounds like we're doing a Denman.

[3:42:09] Trustee Scott: What if, what if, what if, what if?

[3:42:10] Trustee Scott: I think we just want to support it.

[3:42:13] Trustee Scott: And if something else comes along,

[3:42:14] Trustee Scott: obviously it'll get changed.

[3:42:15] Trustee Scott: But I think in the meantime, I just want to-

[3:42:18] Trustee Fast: I'm hearing that one of the trustees has got concerns

[3:42:21] Trustee Fast: and I reflecting community concerns from Alaska around

[3:42:26] Trustee Fast: that might also slow down or hinder the project right so I'm I wonder I heard I

[3:42:33] Trustee Fast: did hear an offer I think from trustee Allen or an interest in perhaps if we

[3:42:38] Trustee Fast: approve a letter on condition or principle to trustee Allen's questions

[3:42:50] Trustee Fast: being answered yes

[3:42:51] Trustee Allen: yes I would be in favor of that okay

[3:42:55] Trustee Fast: so trustee Allen

[3:42:58] Trustee Fast: would you like to make the motion then because I'm not sure exactly what it is

[3:43:01] Trustee Fast: we're talking about well I

[3:43:03] Trustee Scott: think we I think we simply say we issue a letter of

[3:43:06] Trustee Scott: support for the following what it is subject to trustee Allen having a

[3:43:16] Trustee Scott: discussion with Karen Ross and satisfying well

[3:43:19] Trustee Allen: doesn't have to be Karen

[3:43:20] Trustee Allen: Ross it could be that company that was here before well

[3:43:22] Trustee Scott: you yeah yeah

[3:43:24] Trustee Allen: it's basically all right um

[3:43:27] Trustee Allen: subject to well I'll say my continuing concerns regarding the technology um do I have to go more

[3:43:36] Trustee Allen: detail wireless is for non you know there's a lot of unanswered questions and I know there's a lot

[3:43:41] Trustee Allen: of people that didn't come to Hornby for internet so

[3:43:45] Trustee Fast: so if we said um that the Hornby Island local

[3:43:49] Trustee Fast: local trust committee write a letter of support to Comox Valley Regional District

[3:44:01] Trustee Fast: on fiber optic internet connection to Hornby Island. On internet connection.

[3:44:10] Trustee Fast: Internet fiber optic internet connection. Oh, you just want to leave it at internet connection.

[3:44:16] Trustee Fast: at

[3:44:16] Trustee Allen: this point yes because there's there's a lot of technology going on

[3:44:20] Trustee Allen: right now that you know it's assuming along and whether it's this way or that

[3:44:23] Trustee Allen: way yes people want internet but it doesn't have to be one way I just want

[3:44:28] Trustee Allen: to have more information I'm

[3:44:30] Trustee Fast: drawing a line through the words fiber

[3:44:31] Trustee Fast: optic and

[3:44:34] Trustee Fast: subject to trustee Allen's concerns

[3:44:40] Trustee Allen: yeah concerns on what exact take no yeah

[3:44:46] Trustee Allen: Yeah, sorry, what is it?

[3:44:47] Trustee Allen: Where's my wordsmith when I need one?

[3:44:52] Trustee Allen: Where's Laura Beshaken?

[3:44:56] Trustee Allen: Will you get

[3:44:57] Trustee Fast: me, can I have some help here?

[3:44:58] Trustee Fast: Do you want to include your concerns in the letter?

[3:45:01] Trustee Allen: Yes, let's maybe do that, that'll be easier.

[3:45:03] Trustee Fast: Okay, including

[3:45:04] Trustee Scott: Trustee Allen's concerns.

[3:45:06] Trustee Allen: Concerns with fiber optic technology.

[3:45:08] Trustee Scott: No, no, no, if he puts all those concerns in the letter,

[3:45:11] Trustee Scott: it's not a letter of support, it's a letter of questions.

[3:45:14] Trustee Scott: Well, that's the thing.

[3:45:15] Trustee Scott: That isn't support.

[3:45:16] Trustee Allen: It's a letter of support, but.

[3:45:17] Trustee Allen: Just

[3:45:18] Trustee Scott: to get it straight, we're going to say yes, we support this, what they propose, subject to you being satisfied as to some of the community issues around fiber optics on Hornby.

[3:45:41] Trustee Allen: Yeah, community issues over wireless technology. Thank you.

[3:45:45] Trustee Scott: Wireless technology, you got that?

[3:45:46] Trustee Scott: Yeah. Subject

[3:45:48] Trustee Fast: to the technology. Okay. Yeah. Subject to trustee Allen being satisfied around.

[3:45:55] Trustee Allen: Well, it's not me. It's the community. I just

[3:45:59] Trustee Fast: want you to

[3:45:59] Trustee Allen: know I'm speaking for the community,

[3:46:01] Trustee Allen: another part of the community. Yeah, but Alex, it's

[3:46:03] Trustee Scott: your job to do that. I mean,

[3:46:04] Trustee Scott: it's you're the one that's going to be signed up for this letter, not the community.

[3:46:09] Trustee Scott: Oh, I'll step out of it. Sorry.

[3:46:11] Trustee Fast: You know what? I don't, I just, this is a good discussion. Thank

[3:46:14] Trustee Fast: Thank you gentlemen for being up front

[3:46:18] Trustee Fast: with your points of view.

[3:46:20] Trustee Fast: I think, I don't know if we're ready to sign a letter

[3:46:23] Trustee Fast: of support or do we just want to express our support

[3:46:28] Trustee Fast: for high speed internet connection

[3:46:34] Trustee Fast: that doesn't raise health concerns with the community?

[3:46:39] Trustee Allen: Yes, that's great.

[3:46:41] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:46:42] Trustee Allen: How about that Grant?

[3:46:43] Trustee Allen: Matt, don't bother.

[3:46:47] Trustee Scott: So what is it?

[3:46:48] Trustee Scott: Who's right?

[3:46:49] Trustee Scott: So the letter goes from the trust presumably.

[3:46:52] Trustee Fast: This

[3:46:52] Trustee Scott: would be a letter

[3:46:53] Trustee Fast: probably I would sign

[3:46:54] Trustee Fast: or I could sign it and it would go

[3:46:57] Trustee Fast: to the Comox Valley Regional District.

[3:47:00] Trustee Scott: Saying we support.

[3:47:02] Trustee Fast: We support high-speed internet connection

[3:47:07] Trustee Fast: to

[3:47:08] Trustee Scott: Hornby Island.

[3:47:09] Trustee Fast: island uh as long

[3:47:15] Trustee Allen: as you subject to community concerns on wireless technology would that be

[3:47:23] Trustee Fast: health concerns health

[3:47:24] Trustee Allen: concerns yes yeah

[3:47:26] Trustee Fast: uh see what i'm hearing here is there's an unresolved

[3:47:31] Trustee Fast: element of what are the community health concerns and would we be um going against that this letter

[3:47:40] Trustee Fast: I don't know if we're going to be able to meet this.

[3:47:44] Trustee Scott: I mean, it's our job.

[3:47:45] Trustee Scott: I really don't get this.

[3:47:48] Trustee Scott: I mean, this is like a bookends thing.

[3:47:50] Trustee Scott: People want this thing desperately, and there are people you're never going to satisfy on Hornby Island about any of this stuff.

[3:47:55] Trustee Scott: They hate it.

[3:47:56] Trustee Scott: They think the bats are all going to die, and the butterflies are going to die, and everybody else is going to die.

[3:48:01] Trustee Scott: So you've got these bookends in this thing.

[3:48:03] Trustee Scott: So, you know, I've heard all that one way or the other.

[3:48:06] Trustee Scott: I mean, it was over a while ago when they were going to do, you know, they're going to put a tower in down there, right?

[3:48:11] Trustee Scott: Alex that's

[3:48:12] Trustee Allen: what he was talking about that's what I'm talking about

[3:48:14] Trustee Scott: well this wasn't this one isn't

[3:48:16] Trustee Scott: that I asked Karen specifically it's not that it's going in through the wires it's not a dish

[3:48:23] Trustee Scott: thing someplace it's pumping I

[3:48:25] Trustee Allen: want to know for sure because I'm hearing otherwise that fiber

[3:48:28] Trustee Allen: optics it could it can come by the to the island but it may not be they may not have fiber optic

[3:48:35] Trustee Allen: underneath in your driveway up to your house they could just be wireless and that's where people

[3:48:38] Trustee Allen: of concerns we're not getting

[3:48:41] Trustee Allen: all the information what

[3:48:43] Trustee Fast: uh you know i'm what would satisfy community

[3:48:46] Trustee Fast: concerns find

[3:48:50] Trustee Allen: out exactly how they're going to install it and how it's going to play out okay

[3:48:56] Trustee Fast: so we could um request staff to find out um how would the internet exactly uh come to each

[3:49:09] Trustee Fast: residents and function?

[3:49:14] Trustee Allen: I don't know if your staff can answer that because this

[3:49:16] Trustee Allen: is sort of driven by a community group the High Seek and so why can't we just

[3:49:21] Trustee Allen: contact High Seek? I see Grant's gone.

[3:49:25] Trustee Fast: Well he might be having a bite of a

[3:49:27] Trustee Fast: sandwich. Yeah.

[3:49:29] Trustee Fast: I see he's still logged in. He just turned his camera off.

[3:49:31] Voice 29: Yeah I mean I don't want to sound

[3:49:33] Trustee Allen: like a bad news.

[3:49:33] Voice 29: I got a mouthful of sandwich. That's my point. That's my point. If Alex simply phones

[3:49:37] Voice 29: owns Karen Ross, gets clarifications on these points.

[3:49:41] Voice 29: He's satisfied the letter goes out, end of story.

[3:49:45] Trustee Fast: So I have a question for Heather behind the scenes.

[3:49:49] Trustee Fast: Heather, is this something we could do by RWM?

[3:49:53] Trustee Fast: I think so.

[3:49:54] Voice 8: Yeah, as long as, yeah, I mean,

[3:49:56] Voice 8: but you can't have any discussion around RWM.

[3:49:59] Voice 8: So if there's any lingering questions,

[3:50:01] Voice 8: we can't really do anything around that.

[3:50:03] Voice 8: So

[3:50:04] Trustee Fast: it would be up to you, Alex,

[3:50:05] Trustee Fast: Alex, I think, to initiate an RWM if you're satisfied.

[3:50:11] Trustee Fast: And then the

[3:50:11] Trustee Fast: rest of us would probably support it from what I'm hearing here.

[3:50:15] Trustee Allen: I'll contact Karen.

[3:50:17] Trustee Allen: And I don't like calling on the phone.

[3:50:19] Trustee Allen: I'll email.

[3:50:20] Trustee Allen: And, yeah, if we get more information from that particular company that was here a couple years ago on the presentation, that's all.

[3:50:27] Trustee Allen: You know, I'm just covering my bases.

[3:50:29] Trustee Allen: And I'm here to represent the community.

[3:50:30] Trustee Fast: Oh, I hear you.

[3:50:31] Trustee Fast: Exactly.

[3:50:32] Trustee Fast: And so that's great.

[3:50:33] Trustee Fast: So you can get the information.

[3:50:34] Trustee Fast: And then if you initiate the resolution without minutes, is what the RWM stands for, that means we could do it by email.

[3:50:42] Trustee Fast: Because you're the one with the most concerns, I think, here.

[3:50:45] Trustee Fast: And reflecting the most community concerns, which I think is great.

[3:50:49] Trustee Fast: So I think what we have is a to-do action thing for you.

[3:50:53] Trustee Fast: So

[3:50:54] Trustee Allen: it's not a motion.

[3:50:54] Trustee Allen: It's not a motion.

[3:50:55] Trustee Allen: I'm just going to go and do it.

[3:50:56] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[3:50:57] Trustee Fast: All right.

[3:50:57] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:50:58] Trustee Allen: Well, let's make it a motion.

[3:50:59] Trustee Allen: Alex to contact.

[3:51:00] Trustee Fast: No, no.

[3:51:00] Trustee Fast: Alex will initiate the motion by email, right?

[3:51:03] Trustee Scott: Okay.

[3:51:04] Trustee Scott: Yep.

[3:51:04] Trustee Scott: All right, good, done.

[3:51:06] Trustee Scott: You

[3:51:06] Trustee Fast: can ask staff for help, I think, Alex, if you need it.

[3:51:09] Trustee Fast: Okay, good, thank you, Heather.

[3:51:11] Trustee Fast: Okay, let's move on then.

[3:51:13] Trustee Fast: Thanks, everybody.

[3:51:13] Trustee Fast: We've got a to-do action out of that, more to come.

[3:51:17] Trustee Fast: And now we're into 15.6 process for review

[3:51:20] Trustee Fast: of Hornby Island official community plan

[3:51:23] Trustee Fast: and land use bylaws.

[3:51:24] Trustee Fast: There's no page number beside this.

[3:51:27] Trustee Fast: I think this is a discussion

[3:51:29] Trustee Fast: with our regional planning manager.

[3:51:33] Trustee Fast: Grant is eating a sandwich,

[3:51:34] Trustee Fast: so he's still here no

[3:51:35] Trustee Scott: no i quick no this is big enough that sandwich here comes

[3:51:41] Trustee Fast: my dog heard the

[3:51:42] Trustee Fast: word sandwich yes okay okay so um i just want to note that we're at uh five minutes to two

[3:51:49] Trustee Fast: grant's gotta leave he's got another zoom at 2 15 i

[3:51:54] Trustee Scott: do okay

[3:51:55] Trustee Fast: so um we have uh the rest of this

[3:51:59] Trustee Fast: may go quickly and um so we'll see where we get to here let's uh let's talk who wants to start

[3:52:08] Trustee Fast: grant scott well

[3:52:12] Trustee Scott: in my two years now of experience on the trust um and reading this the ocp i don't

[3:52:20] Trustee Scott: know how many times i've had people come to the house and sit and they want to i go through it

[3:52:24] Trustee Scott: with them i printed out the blah blah blah and done all this kind of stuff there seems to be

[3:52:29] Trustee Scott: about a half a dozen key issues in there and one of them we clear we cleaned up today which was

[3:52:33] Trustee Scott: really good that that um r21 there's a number of other ones in there that like there's nothing

[3:52:40] Trustee Scott: about first nations the whole thing about short-term vacation rentals is another one

[3:52:44] Trustee Scott: the overall housing issue that um catherine ronan brought up uh the rar issue those two reports

[3:52:53] Trustee Scott: alex you know this one the conflict between those two reports and the mapping that's particularly

[3:52:59] Trustee Scott: hopeless on that rar um also there's this issue coming up around the first well i've already said

[3:53:06] Trustee Scott: that the first nation mapping of the island mapping those to me are the key issues that

[3:53:12] Trustee Scott: i've heard that are causing the most concerns for people and it involves changing both the ocp

[3:53:19] Trustee Scott: and then doing that first i realize it and then and then changing the land use biologics that

[3:53:25] Trustee Scott: would come out of that ocp review so those those are the that's the reasoning for this in my mind

[3:53:34] Trustee Scott: and tell me if I'm wrong on this but I thought the process might be that once once the HPC

[3:53:40] Trustee Scott: has finished this what they're doing right now and it sounded from Wendy like that's going to

[3:53:45] Trustee Scott: happen very quickly once they've given us those recommendations back possibly we could refer this

[3:53:50] Trustee Scott: to them for their review realizing it's a two or three year process but they've heard us talk

[3:53:57] Trustee Scott: about this before so that's that's kind of the background in my notion anyway where this thing

[3:54:05] Trustee Scott: would sit come

[3:54:10] Trustee Fast: on well i'll just chime in with saying um oh yeah never mind i was just gonna

[3:54:18] Trustee Fast: say about the apc but you covered that go ahead uh trustee uh alan well

[3:54:24] Trustee Allen: no i i agree with grant

[3:54:25] Trustee Allen: there that uh you know once it sounds like as wendy said that they have one more meeting and

[3:54:32] Trustee Allen: And then we can pass on.

[3:54:35] Trustee Allen: We've got a lot.

[3:54:36] Trustee Allen: That's a long list, as you just read out.

[3:54:39] Trustee Allen: And as we know, we've got something we can actually do within two years, which is exciting.

[3:54:44] Trustee Allen: But as we know, we've got housing issue, vacation rental issue.

[3:54:48] Trustee Allen: It's just on and on.

[3:54:49] Trustee Allen: And what can we do?

[3:54:53] Trustee Fast: I just want to chime in with saying your OCP has a date of 2016, I believe it was finalized in.

[3:55:02] Trustee Fast: or and that's not very long ago compared to some of the other ocps that i'm familiar with that are

[3:55:09] Trustee Fast: like 20 1994 i think is damn good

[3:55:12] Trustee Scott: no on that that's all too invalid the problem on hornby is

[3:55:17] Trustee Scott: there's two things in my mind that have really changed even in the last five years one is this

[3:55:23] Trustee Scott: first nation stuff there is not one word in the ocp about first nations it pretends in 1860 there

[3:55:31] Trustee Scott: There weren't any First Nations interests here.

[3:55:33] Trustee Scott: Well, there weren't because they'd all got wiped out.

[3:55:35] Trustee Scott: We think this is a pandemic.

[3:55:38] Trustee Scott: This is a Sunday school picnic compared to what happened in the 1860s.

[3:55:41] Trustee Scott: But anyway, there's that issue, which to me is

[3:55:48] Trustee Scott: unconscionable, right?

[3:55:51] Trustee Scott: And so, anyway, I lost my thread there.

[3:55:56] Trustee Scott: I got kind of wound up.

[3:55:57] Trustee Fast: Well, yeah, you got wound up.

[3:56:00] Trustee Fast: Yeah, I didn't mean to derail a conversation with this other one.

[3:56:03] Trustee Fast: I just wondered if you wanted to pick one, like that First Nations issue, and then Hornby could be the leader.

[3:56:11] Trustee Fast: Because I think there's part of what I understand about the OCP process is that there's going to be sort of new template.

[3:56:20] Trustee Scott: Oh, I'm sorry to cut you off, but the second big point is what's happened in the last five years is this whole short-term vacation rental thing.

[3:56:29] Trustee Scott: and I know every island is affected by it

[3:56:32] Trustee Scott: but it's always

[3:56:34] Trustee Scott: a nice snobby thing to say Hornby is more

[3:56:36] Trustee Scott: affected than others but it certainly seems

[3:56:38] Trustee Scott: that way and

[3:56:40] Trustee Scott: they're smaller, the population

[3:56:42] Trustee Scott: is smaller but it just seems to be

[3:56:44] Trustee Scott: it's having a huge impact

[3:56:46] Trustee Scott: it's causing a ton of

[3:56:48] Trustee Scott: dissension in the community

[3:56:50] Trustee Scott: there's everybody, there's

[3:56:52] Trustee Scott: classic bookend thing, somebody said

[3:56:54] Trustee Scott: let's go back to the 1960s

[3:56:56] Trustee Scott: we can do anything we want and somebody said shut the door

[3:56:58] Trustee Scott: down we were only people coming i just think and these other things rar for example really affect

[3:57:05] Trustee Scott: people in that area a lot we've seen so i i think to to pick one thing and just do it we're going

[3:57:15] Trustee Scott: to leave all the other ones aside and i think we need to look at the ocp from the apc members will

[3:57:25] Trustee Scott: look, they know what these issues are.

[3:57:27] Trustee Scott: That's why we put those people there.

[3:57:29] Trustee Scott: So I think we want a broad look at it.

[3:57:31] Trustee Scott: If they came out and said, okay,

[3:57:32] Trustee Scott: these are the priority ones we should do first,

[3:57:35] Trustee Scott: then I could accept that.

[3:57:37] Trustee Scott: But I just think we need to do this overall review

[3:57:41] Trustee Scott: or something else, or we're just,

[3:57:44] Trustee Scott: I don't think piecemealing it

[3:57:45] Trustee Scott: is the right way to approach it.

[3:57:46] Trustee Scott: I really appreciate what Heather did

[3:57:48] Trustee Scott: about getting this other one out of the way.

[3:57:50] Trustee Scott: I thought that's perfect,

[3:57:52] Trustee Scott: but it doesn't deal with the other issues.

[3:57:57] Trustee Scott: Heather, what do you think?

[3:57:59] Voice 8: I have thoughts. This is an issue for all the LTCs. And that is why this regional planning

[3:58:09] Voice 8: team was developed, was so because there is a recognition that the OCPs, it would be better

[3:58:16] Voice 8: if the OCPs were amended comprehensively, you know, as opposed to trying to piecemeal them

[3:58:22] Voice 8: them together. But a comprehensive OCP amendment is a major project that takes a lot of resources,

[3:58:31] Voice 8: right? And so, I mean, how we deal with OCP and major amendments throughout the trust is actually

[3:58:41] Voice 8: going to be a topic that's coming to trust counsel, maybe as soon as March. And how we use

[3:58:50] Voice 8: staffing resources to update those is going to be part of that discussion um i think there's

[3:58:56] Voice 8: an assumption that the regional planning team is actually going to be the team that is now

[3:59:00] Voice 8: going to start working on major amendments to ocps um but there it has yet to be decided

[3:59:08] Voice 8: who whose ocp goes first that's

[3:59:11] Trustee Scott: the issue right right

[3:59:12] Voice 8: yeah and so um as uh chair fast was pointing

[3:59:17] Voice 8: pointing out, Hornby has the most recent major OCP amendment project completed.

[3:59:25] Trustee Scott: So we get on the back of the bus. That's, there it is. You just said it. That was my exact issue

[3:59:32] Trustee Scott: at the, at the, at

[3:59:34] Trustee Scott: the trust council meeting. I saw it. Yeah. I know

[3:59:39] Voice 8: we're going to

[3:59:40] Trustee Scott: fit in that

[3:59:40] Trustee Scott: process.

[3:59:41] Voice 8: Right. So, so the, the other thing that we haven't really explored a lot as a trust

[3:59:47] Voice 8: is the fact that most of the time for most local governments, when they want to do a comprehensive

[3:59:53] Voice 8: OCP amendment, they hire consultants. They put, they put a 40,000 to

[4:00:00] Voice 8: $75,000 budget line item in their budget, and they hire consultants to do it. And that

[4:00:07] Voice 8: has always actually been an option for the LTCs. It's something that Salt Spring has done this year

[4:00:16] Voice 8: with their Ganges project. They've asked for a specific line item in the budget to do their

[4:00:21] Voice 8: project. And I think that option is still going to continue to be one that the LTCs have.

[4:00:30] Voice 8: So my recommendation is that you consider that for maybe next year's budget, but also that as the Trust Council has this discussion over the next year, that you really do speak up about your opinion about how OCPs should be prioritized, how that work should be prioritized, and how staffing should be allocated towards it.

[4:00:57] Voice 8: But I can say confidently that the northern region is not going to be able to do a project like that.

[4:01:04] Voice 8: We just don't have the staffing resources to do it.

[4:01:08] Voice 8: We can do it bit by bit.

[4:01:09] Voice 8: We can do little bits by little bits.

[4:01:11] Voice 8: But we can't do a major process.

[4:01:15] Voice 8: We just don't have the staffing resources to do it.

[4:01:18] Trustee Fast: I have a question.

[4:01:20] Trustee Fast: I have a question, and that is part of what I understand is being planned,

[4:01:26] Trustee Fast: is that the regional planning team uh will sort of um uh use more of a um framework a common

[4:01:37] Trustee Fast: framework across the trust area partly so that planners can move around and everybody can be

[4:01:44] Trustee Fast: more clear on what changes are possible how changes happen that kind of thing and uh so if

[4:01:53] Trustee Fast: if there's sort of the structure of this new kind of format

[4:01:58] Trustee Fast: for OCPs is established,

[4:02:02] Trustee Fast: might it not be efficient to wait until later

[4:02:07] Trustee Fast: because then it'll go faster when it actually happens?

[4:02:11] Voice 8: Yeah, I mean, yes, I would say yes,

[4:02:14] Voice 8: because for example,

[4:02:18] Voice 8: the First Nations piece is something

[4:02:20] Voice 8: that everybody has identified.

[4:02:21] Voice 8: We need First Nations language, and it could be the same for every OCP that we have, right?

[4:02:30] Voice 8: I mean, all of our policies and our statements about First Nations could be the same.

[4:02:34] Voice 8: And we imagine that the regional planning team could develop that language and that template.

[4:02:39] Voice 8: And so you could easily slide it into your OCP.

[4:02:43] Trustee Scott: Heather, I

[4:02:44] Trustee Scott: brought that up with Peter Lockham and Russ.

[4:02:49] Trustee Scott: us and

[4:02:50] Trustee Scott: what i heard at the trust council meeting is there's going to be a two-year policy process

[4:02:55] Trustee Scott: to develop that policy stuff before it gets down to the local level and i came out of those

[4:03:03] Trustee Scott: conversations with very very little confidence that hornby's going to get done when we fall

[4:03:08] Trustee Scott: into that and all of this reorganization stuff going with regional planners and all the rest of

[4:03:12] Trustee Scott: it i mean i could just see we're going to fall so far off the back of that bus because number one

[4:03:19] Trustee Scott: the squeaky wheel is going to get the grease and ours is done in 2016 so we can think it's the most

[4:03:25] Trustee Scott: important thing on the planet but i don't think we're going to get anywhere with that in that

[4:03:29] Trustee Scott: bigger process you're talking about so i really like your idea alex let's go to them and ask them

[4:03:35] Trustee Scott: for 75 grand let's put it to them right away and we will we can develop a project pardon

[4:03:43] Trustee Scott: pardon it's a business it's a business

[4:03:46] Voice 7: case it's

[4:03:47] Voice 18: a business case

[4:03:50] Trustee Allen: and then we get you heather to do it all right so get back

[4:03:54] Trustee Scott: to us well i'm what i mean this is

[4:03:55] Trustee Scott: what i've done for the last 40 years is doing this i was gonna say i mean i'd be quite happy

[4:04:00] Trustee Scott: to work with you on this one i mean this is what the next zoom call i'm going on is exactly i'm

[4:04:06] Trustee Scott: going on a zoom call with a first nation to put a business plan in place for them to get deal with

[4:04:11] Trustee Scott: with all of the First Nations stuff we're just talking about.

[4:04:13] Trustee Scott: So, yes, I think that's a good way to do it.

[4:04:17] Trustee Scott: If you and I can, if we can listen and talk to that.

[4:04:20] Trustee Scott: Well,

[4:04:20] Trustee Fast: looking at the time, it's 2.08, and you've got to get going.

[4:04:25] Voice 22: We've

[4:04:26] Trustee Fast: got some agenda.

[4:04:28] Trustee Fast: So how about I just leave it with you, Grant?

[4:04:30] Trustee Fast: Sure.

[4:04:30] Trustee Fast: Can we just leave it with you to follow up with staff and sort of hash out more ideas

[4:04:35] Trustee Fast: and bring it to the next, like bring an agenda item to the next meeting?

[4:04:39] Trustee Scott: Okay.

[4:04:39] Trustee Fast: Good discussion.

[4:04:41] Trustee Fast: Good discussion got going there.

[4:04:42] Trustee Fast: Okay, I'm going to skip briefly

[4:04:44] Trustee Fast: over some of these last things.

[4:04:47] Trustee Fast: Forest conservation out, reach brief briefing.

[4:04:50] Trustee Fast: This is just related to the work

[4:04:56] Trustee Fast: that was done by the Islands Trust Conservancy this summer.

[4:04:59] Trustee Fast: The information's in your package.

[4:05:00] Trustee Fast: Does anybody have any questions?

[4:05:03] Trustee Fast: No, it's just for your information

[4:05:06] Trustee Fast: and let you know that what questions

[4:05:09] Trustee Fast: and information has been going out to your community.

[4:05:12] Trustee Fast: and more for your reference i think uh trust conservancy report that was dated november 24th

[4:05:18] Trustee Fast: so that's quite a while ago i'll just report that um we had a meeting last week and i've already put

[4:05:25] Trustee Fast: it away here and we adopted a oh now kate emmings is the permanent manager um so we don't have that

[4:05:32] Trustee Fast: uh holding position at the top there anymore and she's also exempt so there's a little bit of a

[4:05:38] Trustee Fast: a budget implication there she's not a unionized person anymore she gets to be a manager managing

[4:05:43] Trustee Fast: staff and um a bunch of open staff positions there um we um yeah anyway i'm not going to bother

[4:05:57] Trustee Fast: reading all my notes here except things are going well and we've got more uh we passed some

[4:06:01] Trustee Fast: management plans and things like that nothing for salts uh these are salt spring ones and um

[4:06:07] Trustee Fast: We're going to have a way for people to comment in our meetings to some kind of public comment period. I don't know if we'll get any uptake for the Island's Trust Conservancy, but it was the one that didn't have a way for the public to be engaged in meetings.

[4:06:22] Trustee Fast: And yet we know we want to have good relationships with everybody. So that'll be coming up soon.

[4:06:27] Trustee Fast: That's put a checkmark there. Anybody got any questions about the Island's Trust Conservancy? I mentioned the 30th Nature Reserve in 30 years. That's over here on Keats Island in Howe Sound.

[4:06:37] Trustee Fast: so that one the Squamish First Nation has been consulted on so when we do get around to doing

[4:06:43] Trustee Fast: a proper launch with people actually being able to go there we plan to involve them and they'll

[4:06:48] Trustee Fast: be involved from the beginning. Grant you'll be glad to know. Applications report page 136

[4:06:54] Trustee Fast: anybody got any questions for the planner? I do.

[4:06:57] Trustee Fast: Yeah go ahead.

[4:07:00] Trustee Scott: I'm gonna have to go so

[4:07:02] Trustee Scott: So I'm going to leave it with you, Alex.

[4:07:05] Trustee Scott: Thank you, Heather,

[4:07:06] Trustee Scott: Sue, Sue Allen, Alex.

[4:07:08] Trustee Scott: I tried.

[4:07:09] Trustee Scott: Everybody, thank your staff.

[4:07:10] Trustee Scott: Please thank your staff for everybody.

[4:07:13] Trustee Scott: Will, thanks a lot.

[4:07:16] Trustee Scott: We'll

[4:07:16] Trustee Allen: resume another day.

[4:07:18] Trustee Scott: We'll resume another day.

[4:07:20] Trustee Scott: That's pretty corny.

[4:07:21] Trustee Allen: I know.

[4:07:22] Trustee Allen: I thought perfect for you.

[4:07:23] Trustee Allen: Okay.

[4:07:24] Trustee Scott: Go ahead, Jesse Allen.

[4:07:27] Trustee Allen: Grant and I love each other.

[4:07:28] Trustee Allen: You know that, right?

[4:07:28] Trustee Allen: Okay.

[4:07:29] Trustee Allen: On

[4:07:30] Trustee Scott: a good day.

[4:07:30] Trustee Allen: Yeah.

[4:07:31] Trustee Allen: Not today.

[4:07:32] Trustee Allen: Bye, Kurt.

[4:07:36] Trustee Allen: I have big concerns over the application H.O.R.Z. 2020.1.

[4:07:43] Trustee Allen: Because of that.

[4:07:45] Trustee Allen: What's the

[4:07:45] Trustee Fast: page you want, Alex?

[4:07:46] Trustee Allen: I can't tell.

[4:07:48] Trustee Allen: 138?

[4:07:49] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:07:50] Trustee Allen: Rezoning application.

[4:07:54] Trustee Allen: This is Brad's Downsland campsite.

[4:07:57] Trustee Allen: And this is very controversial on our island.

[4:08:00] Trustee Allen: There's some weird history regarding the zoning.

[4:08:02] Trustee Allen: I'm not privy to it. I think Tony Lou all bought it more than I did. But this is sort of snuck in and I know the community and the neighbors and everything are going to be not happy.

[4:08:15] Trustee Allen: And I just want to know whether we can get some report and whether there's going to be any consultation with the neighbors, etc. Because there's a big history on this one.

[4:08:25] Trustee Allen: And I didn't have enough chance to read up on any of it for this meeting. So, Heather?

[4:08:30] Trustee Allen: You're

[4:08:31] Trustee Fast: looking at the top of

[4:08:32] Voice 8: the page there. Is that Dixon Lake?

[4:08:33] Trustee Allen: Yeah.

[4:08:34] Trustee Allen: Yeah.

[4:08:36] Voice 8: I mean, we have an application for rezoning. It will come to you. A staff report is being

[4:08:42] Voice 8: prepared to come to you for that. And if you move forward with bylaws, it'll go to public hearing.

[4:08:54] Voice 8: I mean, that's how that would go. But the LTC has the option of not proceeding with it

[4:09:00] Voice 8: as well with the resound okay

[4:09:02] Trustee Allen: so i think what

[4:09:05] Trustee Fast: you're hearing is they have the opportunity to

[4:09:07] Trustee Fast: apply right and uh and staff has to take their application and uh talk to them and that kind

[4:09:14] Trustee Fast: of thing bring the info to the local trust committee and then

[4:09:17] Trustee Allen: sorry is that going to be

[4:09:19] Trustee Allen: our next meeting or um longer i

[4:09:22] Voice 8: think it's i think it's close um we have we've been there's

[4:09:27] Voice 8: some back and forth with the applicant on providing information. And so I think at this

[4:09:32] Voice 8: point we don't have as much information as we need. So we haven't, we're waiting on information

[4:09:37] Voice 8: from the applicant. But once we have everything we need, we'll be bringing it to you. I can't

[4:09:42] Voice 8: guarantee it'll be the next meeting.

[4:09:45] Trustee Allen: And they're asking for rezoning as a campsite, a commercial, is that what they're?

[4:09:48] Voice 8: Yes.

[4:09:49] Trustee Allen: All right. And then any other questions? I think that was it for those. Oh, Jeremy Payne, page 140, the Temporary and Industrial Use Permit. The last one, I guess? No, it's not the last one. TUP 2020.2.

[4:10:15] Trustee Allen: Planner, you requested, what are the pending conditions for, I see you've asked twice now, and I was just wondering where that was at.

[4:10:22] Trustee Allen: I

[4:10:24] Voice 8: believe that that's still the smokestack. There were some conditions and some screening that were supposed to have occurred. And as I understand it, those conditions haven't been met yet.

[4:10:36] Trustee Allen: And I understand he was only given a year temporary use permits. Do you know when that comes up? Is that before the summer?

[4:10:43] Trustee Allen: oh

[4:10:43] Voice 8: i i wasn't

[4:10:46] Voice 8: involved in this yeah because

[4:10:47] Trustee Allen: i had to recuse myself from across the road but

[4:10:49] Trustee Allen: oh i will say that he was barely there he was seemed to be he was at another place

[4:10:55] Trustee Allen: at uh one of the side he was at the cidery throughout the summer and barely even there

[4:10:59] Trustee Allen: but i guess we'll hear from what happens later i'll

[4:11:02] Trustee Fast: see what happens i think yeah

[4:11:03] Trustee Fast: it has disrupted

[4:11:04] Trustee Fast: lots of people's yes

[4:11:05] Trustee Allen: right and

[4:11:08] Trustee Allen: then and i guess yeah i'm the formula to cooperative the water

[4:11:14] Trustee Allen: extraction that's um that's

[4:11:17] Voice 20: you yeah

[4:11:18] Trustee Allen: but so referral from talk

[4:11:24] Trustee Fast: to staff about that yeah

[4:11:25] Trustee Allen: yeah i will talk off actually i'm not really involved in that right now okay that was it

[4:11:30] Trustee Allen: for applications thank you

[4:11:31] Trustee Fast: okay thank you very much and then um uh expense report nothing

[4:11:38] Trustee Fast: that's page 142 i don't know

[4:11:42] Trustee Allen: no okay

[4:11:44] Voice 8: um just wanted to comment on that a little bit

[4:11:47] Voice 8: One thing, and that is that your APC budget will be exceeded because the APC has met multiple times and we hadn't anticipated that.

[4:11:59] Voice 8: So, yeah, their budget will be exceeded.

[4:12:02] Trustee Allen: And do we need to acknowledge that now in some way?

[4:12:06] Voice 8: No, I mean, they

[4:12:08] Voice 8: always tell us that your budget is sort of a total and if everything adds up at the end, you're okay.

[4:12:13] Voice 8: but as

[4:12:15] Trustee Fast: long as we we know that we don't have a full whatever amount for ltc meeting expenses

[4:12:20] Trustee Fast: right okay i

[4:12:22] Trustee Fast: think it'll probably come out of something like that yeah okay um anything on the

[4:12:28] Trustee Fast: understanding

[4:12:30] Trustee Allen: resolutions can i comment on that yeah

[4:12:32] Trustee Fast: um

[4:12:34] Trustee Allen: page 143 number three the first

[4:12:38] Trustee Allen: I thought we changed that date to December 31st 2021 it's changed further on but it's not changed

[4:12:47] Trustee Allen: there no

[4:12:48] Voice 8: you're right we should that that's a mistake so we'll we'll update that

[4:12:52] Trustee Allen: okay because

[4:12:53] Trustee Allen: that's at the very bottom of that it says the date okay that was that um yeah okay thank you

[4:13:02] Trustee Fast: for catching that

[4:13:02] Trustee Fast: good good eye and um local trust committee web page I think we talked about

[4:13:08] Trustee Fast: that a little bit when we talked about uh advertising right um do you post anything on the

[4:13:15] Trustee Fast: look do we need to talk about the local trust committee web page we're

[4:13:20] Trustee Allen: kind of delinquent

[4:13:22] Trustee Fast: it sounds like people don't go there

[4:13:24] Trustee Allen: no i mean through our paper well you know if it works out

[4:13:29] Trustee Allen: i'll do something report on either our meeting what we had or major decisions but

[4:13:34] Trustee Fast: maybe we could

[4:13:34] Trustee Fast: maybe maybe we could ask um well consider i don't know your island but consider asking staff to put

[4:13:42] Trustee Fast: links on the web page to whatever it is that you write well

[4:13:46] Trustee Allen: we did talk to heather that uh you know

[4:13:48] Trustee Allen: the the subscriber note at the bottom which is probably a good thing to put out again to remind

[4:13:52] Trustee Allen: people that they have that option

[4:13:53] Voice 20: okay and

[4:13:55] Trustee Allen: then i'm going to send you the information on our

[4:13:58] Trustee Allen: printing deadlines yeah

[4:14:00] Trustee Fast: very good okay i think we can leave that uh top priorities and

[4:14:05] Trustee Fast: projects list i don't know if we want to dig into these without grant here do you no no

[4:14:09] Trustee Fast: no i think

[4:14:10] Trustee Fast: we covered a lot of ground today okay so 17.1 17.2 i'm putting check marks beside them closed

[4:14:16] Trustee Fast: meeting none information uh items i talked about those already and uh for anybody who's left on

[4:14:22] Trustee Fast: the call our next regular meeting schedule is uh march 26th it's friday uh probably online of

[4:14:31] Trustee Fast: of course, and I just wanted to say a few things

[4:14:34] Trustee Fast: at the end here, thanks everybody for your fabulous input

[4:14:38] Trustee Fast: through the different processes we've had going on,

[4:14:40] Trustee Fast: particularly the public hearings, both written and verbal

[4:14:44] Trustee Fast: and all the work that went into that was fabulous

[4:14:46] Trustee Fast: because we're part of a participatory democracy, right?

[4:14:49] Trustee Fast: The expertise of staff, the hard work

[4:14:52] Trustee Fast: and the trying to represent of local trust committees

[4:14:55] Trustee Fast: and me from off island, but also the members of the public

[4:15:01] Trustee Fast: like who pitch in and that was great i just wanted to let you know you can sign up by email we just

[4:15:07] Trustee Fast: talked about that to get notices of meetings and agenda links and that kind of thing in your email

[4:15:13] Trustee Fast: so you can find out about that at the island's trust website or from these ads apparently that

[4:15:18] Trustee Fast: are going to be coming out um unprecedented sign times thanks for your patience did you have

[4:15:24] Trustee Fast: something you wanted to add i

[4:15:25] Trustee Allen: just thought we could remind them remind them once again about

[4:15:27] Trustee Allen: the online surveys yeah

[4:15:29] Trustee Fast: that's where i was getting to is the okay uh

[4:15:31] Trustee Fast: is the uh this is the big one

[4:15:34] Trustee Fast: the policy statement this will be in effect for like 10 to 20 years so if you only get a chance

[4:15:39] Trustee Fast: to do one uh this is the policy statement policy directions islands 2050 is the one i really hope

[4:15:46] Trustee Fast: people will chime in on there's also a budget review uh budget input but that's only for one

[4:15:53] Trustee Fast: year just for next year whereas this one is multiple years so I just wanted to flag that

[4:15:58] Trustee Fast: and um um good health everybody and uh if you have feedback about the any technical issues you had

[4:16:08] Trustee Fast: with this meeting or any ideas about ways to make it better please send them to northinfo

[4:16:14] Trustee Fast: at islandstrust.bc.ca or any of our emails and we'll send them around to each other and uh I

[4:16:21] Trustee Fast: I think that might be the end.

[4:16:22] Trustee Fast: What do you think?

[4:16:23] Trustee Fast: Did I miss anything?

[4:16:24] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Scott, Trustee Allen.

[4:16:26] Trustee Allen: I was going to say, let's try next meeting.

[4:16:29] Trustee Allen: Not one person say you're on mute.

[4:16:31] Trustee Allen: Let's see if we can do that.

[4:16:32] Trustee Allen: It's impossible.

[4:16:34] Trustee Allen: It's impossible.

[4:16:34] Trustee Allen: Every meeting, Zoom meeting, it's just hilarious.

[4:16:36] Trustee Fast: I know.

[4:16:37] Trustee Fast: I

[4:16:37] Trustee Allen: just find it, it's just hilarious.

[4:16:39] Trustee Allen: I

[4:16:39] Trustee Fast: know, it's like you're on mute.

[4:16:40] Trustee Fast: I think that instead of saying, eh, Canadians-

[4:16:44] Trustee Allen: Yeah, that's the new Canadian.

[4:16:46] Trustee Fast: Anyway, thank you very much

[4:16:48] Trustee Allen: for your time, Heather.

[4:16:49] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Heather.

[4:16:50] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Courtney,

[4:16:51] Trustee Fast: and thank you, Vicki, back there.

[4:16:52] Trustee Fast: And

[4:16:53] Trustee Allen: Will and Vicki and all

[4:16:55] Trustee Fast: the other ones

[4:16:55] Trustee Allen: I don't see.

[4:16:56] Trustee Fast: Yes, that's right.

[4:16:57] Trustee Fast: Thanks a lot, everybody.

[4:16:59] Trustee Fast: And I adjourn this meeting.

[4:17:00] Trustee Fast: I think we do, don't we?

[4:17:01] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[4:17:02] Trustee Allen: Thanks, Will.

[4:17:03] Trustee Allen: Bye, Will.