Galiano Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, March 1, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 11: We're live now.

[0:00:01] Voice 6: Thank you, Shayla.

[0:00:04] Voice 11: That was me, Jane.

[0:00:15] Voice 6: Good afternoon, everyone.

[0:00:16] Voice 6: We're just going to wait for people to join us.

[0:00:20] Voice 6: I see we have 13 attendees, but people are still coming in the door.

[0:00:24] Voice 6: We'll start in one moment.

[0:00:48] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:00:49] Voice 6: We seem to have stabilized at 18.

[0:00:59] Voice 6: So welcome, everyone.

[0:01:02] Voice 6: I see a number of familiar names.

[0:01:05] Voice 6: Nice to see you. Well, to see your name, perhaps see you later in the in the meeting.

[0:01:13] Voice 6: As always, I wish we could be there in person and we're not.

[0:01:18] Voice 6: This is the March 1st, 2021 regular meeting of the Galeano Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:26] Voice 6: welcome. As always, I'd like to start by acknowledging that we are privileged and

[0:01:36] Voice 6: very pleased to be meeting across the traditional territories of the Coast Salish peoples,

[0:01:44] Voice 6: a variety of Coast Salish peoples. I say that because many of you will be on Galeano in the

[0:01:55] Voice 6: traditional territory. Now Kit, I'm actually coming to you from Vancouver, and that's in

[0:02:02] Voice 6: the traditional territory, the Musqueam and the Tsleil-Waututh and the Squamish peoples,

[0:02:07] Voice 6: and I know some of our staff are in Victoria or that area. Please feel free to acknowledge your

[0:02:15] Voice 6: own personal, actually I don't know if they have chat, maybe you don't have chat, but maybe take

[0:02:23] Voice 6: a moment to think about what it means for you personally to be able to join us from

[0:02:29] Voice 6: the traditional territories of the Coast Salish peoples and how privileged we are. As always,

[0:02:36] Voice 6: I turn to the trustees to see if they wish to say anything about or reflect on that at all

[0:02:41] Voice 6: before we start the meeting. Trustee Wolverton or Rockefeller, do you wish to reflect on that?

[0:02:46] Voice 6: uh

[0:02:48] Voice 11: no just just that it's the i think the matter of reconciliation is an ongoing process and one

[0:02:55] Voice 11: that we will be engaged in forever you know in a way because there's so much work to do right

[0:03:02] Voice 6: thank you jane yes i agree with you entirely and i've been reminded of that a couple of times

[0:03:10] Voice 6: um in the last couple of weeks because i've had matters on in two different local trust areas

[0:03:17] Voice 6: where we've gotten to a certain point in our process

[0:03:20] Voice 6: and an Indigenous group or a local First Nation

[0:03:25] Voice 6: has put up their hand and said,

[0:03:26] Voice 6: and in one of them, I had been sort of indicating

[0:03:29] Voice 6: I wanted to go more quickly

[0:03:31] Voice 6: and a local First Nation has put up their hand

[0:03:33] Voice 6: and said, we have some interest in this.

[0:03:35] Voice 6: And I realized that I personally had not made enough,

[0:03:41] Voice 6: not been cognizant enough about the time and space

[0:03:46] Voice 6: that's needed to do reconciliation

[0:03:47] Voice 6: in a way that's truly meaningful.

[0:03:49] Voice 6: So I had some learning in the last couple of weeks.

[0:03:54] Voice 6: So anyway, thank you for joining us

[0:03:56] Voice 6: for the Galleano Local Trust Committee.

[0:03:59] Voice 6: You will know that we are continuing

[0:04:02] Voice 6: what has been going on for about 10 months now

[0:04:07] Voice 6: as we started this process in April of last year.

[0:04:10] Voice 6: So coming on 11 months of virtual meetings on Zoom.

[0:04:15] Voice 6: hopefully many of you have learned the the joys and the and perhaps some of the lack of joy in

[0:04:23] Voice 6: these types of zoom meetings i think there's a whole new condition out there called zoom fatigue

[0:04:31] Voice 6: and i think it's real and so i'm not making light of it at all but this is our new world we're doing

[0:04:37] Voice 6: the best we can and we think that this is the way that we can continue to engage with community

[0:04:42] Voice 6: community and continue to hear voices in the community and do our business going forward.

[0:04:48] Voice 6: We were talking before we came on the live that maybe it's going to be a few months yet before we

[0:04:57] Voice 6: can consider going back to any form of an in-person meeting. And for me, that means I don't

[0:05:04] Voice 6: get to come to Galeano with personally, and that's a real shame. I miss it there. So let me start by

[0:05:12] Voice 6: by introducing the faces you see on your screen.

[0:05:15] Voice 6: You of course see your two local trustees,

[0:05:17] Voice 6: Trustee Jane Wolverton and Trustee Tahira Rockefeller.

[0:05:21] Voice 6: Thank you, nice to see you both.

[0:05:23] Voice 6: And as always, I miss you.

[0:05:26] Voice 6: You'll also see Carly Bilney, who's the recorder.

[0:05:29] Voice 6: Hi Carly, and Carly will mostly turn her camera off,

[0:05:32] Voice 6: but you'll hear me speak to her from time to time.

[0:05:34] Voice 6: Thank you for your work.

[0:05:37] Voice 6: You'll see a screensaver for Shayla Burnham.

[0:05:42] Voice 6: Shayla is, hi, Shayla.

[0:05:44] Voice 6: Shayla is on Salt Spring and is a staff person on Salt Spring and will be running the electronics

[0:05:52] Voice 6: and the meetings and all the logistics behind the scenes for us today.

[0:05:56] Voice 6: You may also hear me talk to Shayla from time to time as I promote people, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:06:03] Voice 6: Then you'll see the two planning staff.

[0:06:05] Voice 6: We have the regional planning manager, Robert Kajima.

[0:06:07] Voice 6: Many of you on the island, of course, know Robert.

[0:06:09] Voice 6: And you'll also see planner Brad Smith, who is the primary planner for Galliano, and you will see them both on screen and talking as we go through the various items on the agenda.

[0:06:26] Voice 6: So the way that the technology works is that while we're doing the business of the LTC,

[0:06:33] Voice 6: LTC, you are not on screen and you don't have the technical capability of talking.

[0:06:41] Voice 6: When we get to the various times in the agenda when people have the opportunity to address the

[0:06:48] Voice 6: LTC or engage in conversation or ask questions, we will ask you to raise your hand. You should

[0:06:55] Voice 6: be able to find the raise hand function on your screen at the bottom, somewhere in the middle of

[0:07:01] Voice 6: the screen the bottom and then you would raise your hand i would recognize you and i will ask

[0:07:07] Voice 6: shayla to promote you and you will have the opportunity to unmute yourself and and then

[0:07:14] Voice 6: if you wish you can turn your camera on uh and be and participate in that conversation there will be

[0:07:21] Voice 6: a couple of opportunities for that uh during the course of the day a couple of account the town

[0:07:27] Voice 6: hall at the beginning and the end and then of course we have a one application on our agenda

[0:07:32] Voice 6: uh where where the applicant will have an opportunity to speak as well as part of that

[0:07:39] Voice 6: conversation so we look forward to seeing and hearing from uh many of the people that

[0:07:45] Voice 6: i can't see in person anymore so those are that's the sort of opening comments i'll have a few

[0:07:51] Voice 6: things to say before we get to town hall about about the appropriateness and how we will proceed

[0:07:56] Voice 6: through Town Hall.

[0:08:01] Voice 6: Sorry, I just saw a chat function.

[0:08:04] Voice 6: I just want to make sure I answer a question.

[0:08:10] Voice 6: No, sorry, I'm not sure who that is,

[0:08:13] Voice 6: but the question was-

[0:08:14] Voice 11: Ms. Lori Shee.

[0:08:16] Voice 6: Yeah, the question is, why can't you see the attendees?

[0:08:19] Voice 6: Because the webinar function does not allow that

[0:08:23] Voice 6: until someone is promoted,

[0:08:25] Voice 6: partly because the screen would be far too common,

[0:08:28] Voice 6: comment would be too far too uh congested if we did that but that the webinar function of zoom

[0:08:35] Voice 6: doesn't allow us to have everybody uh on screen at any particular time people will be allowed to

[0:08:41] Voice 6: be visible once when they are actually speaking um not in the that so they the setting hasn't

[0:08:48] Voice 6: been changed that's been that's been our practice uh since the beginning in fact we've amended our

[0:08:54] Voice 6: practice partly because of some comments i got from galliano uh because originally we were just

[0:08:58] Voice 6: allowing people to speak but now we allow people we we have set up a system where people can

[0:09:03] Voice 6: actually turn their camera on um so uh thank you for that question uh so that's the the

[0:09:14] Voice 6: functionality of today um we will work our way through the agenda as as always and so my first

[0:09:20] Voice 6: order of business related to that the agenda that's before you which is found in the package

[0:09:25] Voice 6: of anybody, people have it in front of them.

[0:09:28] Voice 6: Of course, it's always available

[0:09:30] Voice 6: on the local trust committee website,

[0:09:35] Voice 6: on the Island's Trust website.

[0:09:36] Voice 6: The package will be there as a part of this meeting.

[0:09:39] Voice 6: So we have the agenda, which is on pages one through three.

[0:09:43] Voice 6: And so my question for the trustees is,

[0:09:45] Voice 6: is there anything that you wish to add

[0:09:47] Voice 6: or change to the agenda?

[0:09:50] Voice 6: Seeing nothing, then I'll take the agenda adopted by consent.

[0:09:54] Voice 6: so the first matter on the agenda then is our trustee reports um so who'd like to start today

[0:10:02] Voice 6: in terms of updating the community related to your uh activities and anything else you wish to

[0:10:09] Voice 6: report i see you unmuted uh trustee wolverton so why don't we start with you

[0:10:13] Voice 11: okay um so it's it's

[0:10:16] Voice 11: been fairly busy over the last month i think for for both uh tahira and me as far as uh inquiries

[0:10:23] Voice 11: from the community and lots of interest in rezoning

[0:10:28] Voice 11: and four slot proposals and so on.

[0:10:31] Voice 11: In addition to that, I participated in a Zoom meeting

[0:10:36] Voice 11: on the planning of the Southern Gulf Island Forum.

[0:10:40] Voice 11: This will be an ongoing group, including First Nations,

[0:10:45] Voice 11: Trust, the MLA and MP, as well as the regional directors.

[0:10:50] Voice 11: directors and the purpose of this it grew out of the pandemic sort of trying to collaborate

[0:11:00] Voice 11: and share information and the purpose of that will continue to be information sharing cross

[0:11:05] Voice 11: jurisdictional collaboration and advocacy so it's just in the formative stages the person has been

[0:11:13] Voice 11: engaged to facilitate the first meeting or two, and that's moving ahead, which is very exciting.

[0:11:23] Voice 11: I think it will provide good advocacy for this area. I've also been asked to be a stakeholder

[0:11:32] Voice 11: for the BC Ferries community engagement, and I have had a couple of sessions with them to

[0:11:42] Voice 11: and passed on a lot of information about how people on the island are affected by the ferry

[0:11:54] Voice 11: in many different areas with scheduling and cost and so on.

[0:11:59] Voice 11: So that is carrying on.

[0:12:03] Voice 11: and and then just to say that we've we've had over 60 emails from people on Salt Spring Island

[0:12:14] Voice 11: who are concerned about the issue of community and the trust so that's that's been kind of busy

[0:12:22] Voice 11: to keep on top of those that's all.

[0:12:27] Voice 15: I guess my focus will be that we have trust council coming

[0:12:31] Voice 15: up on 9th to 11th of March and much of the focus will be on regarding the policy statement

[0:12:37] Voice 15: amendment project including an in-depth discussion and learning around the original intent of the

[0:12:42] Voice 15: Islands Trust and interpreting the Islands Trust object and this includes reconciliation and

[0:12:48] Voice 15: including First Nations and Indigenous people in the in the policy amendment so it should be

[0:12:52] Voice 15: exciting and i hope people can attend thank

[0:12:59] Voice 6: you uh to both of you for your work um uh just just

[0:13:04] Voice 6: jane the that those 60 odd emails you're talking about they didn't they don't just come from salt

[0:13:09] Voice 6: spring they're from actually all from all over the trust area i recognize names from gabriola

[0:13:14] Voice 6: and hornby and denman so but i think it is focused on uh empathy the letter writing is focused on

[0:13:21] Voice 6: on um it's coming from from salt spring anyway uh just to follow up on trustee

[0:13:30] Voice 6: rockefeller a little bit of um uh an update on what's going on on the trust more generally

[0:13:36] Voice 6: um so there's a number of things uh that are that are happening first of all we do have trust

[0:13:42] Voice 6: council not uh next week sorry not this week but next week um and uh just so you're aware you can

[0:13:51] Voice 6: find all the information of course online on our website uh but the town hall and delegations and

[0:13:58] Voice 6: we currently have i think we have six delegations um that the town the delegations and town hall

[0:14:05] Voice 6: will be on the tuesday evening again we're trying again to do an evening session as we did in

[0:14:11] Voice 6: in December on the theory that more people will be able to be there and be able to observe the

[0:14:19] Voice 6: town hall and delegations. On the Tuesday, we have the discussion that Trustee Rockefeller

[0:14:27] Voice 6: mentioned, which focuses around the object of the trust and the scope of the trust and how that

[0:14:35] Voice 6: That plays into the revamping and the project

[0:14:37] Voice 6: around the trust policy statement

[0:14:39] Voice 6: in terms of indigenous peoples

[0:14:42] Voice 6: and in terms of climate change

[0:14:45] Voice 6: and housing and community concerns, et cetera.

[0:14:49] Voice 6: So that discussion is set for all day on Monday.

[0:14:53] Voice 6: Also of importance is that on the Tuesday,

[0:14:57] Voice 6: the Wednesday and leading into the Thursday,

[0:14:59] Voice 6: day uh there will also be a um the budget discussion um we had uh it's it's been a it's

[0:15:09] Voice 6: an it's been an interesting process um the the trust started a survey for budgets about i think

[0:15:15] Voice 6: one two three four years ago and the first year we had um around 80 responses to the survey and

[0:15:25] Voice 6: In the second year we had like 160

[0:15:27] Voice 6: and then the third year we had about 340.

[0:15:31] Voice 6: And this year we had over 800 people reply to the survey.

[0:15:36] Voice 6: So at least we're certainly getting people's comments

[0:15:41] Voice 6: and we appreciate all of the time and effort

[0:15:43] Voice 6: that everybody took to provide us with your feedback.

[0:15:47] Voice 6: There's a fairly, there's a good analysis

[0:15:51] Voice 6: of the generality of those feedback

[0:15:54] Voice 6: feedback as well as about 140 pages of specific feedback of the survey that are all online and

[0:16:01] Voice 6: available for people to see. It's all anonymous of course but you can see all of the various

[0:16:07] Voice 6: common commentary from the communities around the Islands Trust area. It makes for a lot of reading

[0:16:15] Voice 6: for us but we really appreciate people taking the time to participate. The other item on the agenda

[0:16:24] Voice 6: is the trust policy statement as i mentioned um the um uh we had also had a survey going around

[0:16:31] Voice 6: about the same time related to that um probably not a great idea to do them you know at the same

[0:16:38] Voice 6: time in january february however we had over 400 people take the time to respond to that survey and

[0:16:46] Voice 6: i saw some statistics somewhere that they they determined somehow i'm not sure how um how they

[0:16:52] Voice 6: they do these statistical things that the average person

[0:16:55] Voice 6: took up to 20 minutes to finish the survey,

[0:16:58] Voice 6: which means people are committing that amount of time

[0:17:00] Voice 6: to tell us what they think the focus

[0:17:03] Voice 6: and the direction of the trust should be.

[0:17:05] Voice 6: So thank you again, and again, all of that is in the package.

[0:17:10] Voice 6: As you look through the budget practice,

[0:17:13] Voice 6: you may want to look and see what the proposals are

[0:17:16] Voice 6: in terms of our spending.

[0:17:18] Voice 6: some of it comes from we've been quite successful in the last 12 months and getting a number of

[0:17:24] Voice 6: grants particularly the conservancy has gotten a number of grants but also the trust itself

[0:17:29] Voice 6: a fairly large water grant to help and so some of the budget the has shifted upwards partly

[0:17:38] Voice 6: because of that and that's all in and out money of course we're spending it as we get it in terms

[0:17:43] Voice 6: terms of grants, but you can see the priorities and there will be a debate on the Wednesday

[0:17:49] Voice 6: afternoon related to what priorities the trust has and what it wishes to spend its money on.

[0:17:56] Voice 6: So please feel free to join us for that as you said. And just while I'm on the trust policy

[0:18:03] Voice 6: statement, just to, I'm sorry to talk so long, but one other thing on Wednesday night this week,

[0:18:09] Voice 6: There is a virtual town hall from seven to nine.

[0:18:13] Voice 6: Again, all the details are on the website, which will involve question and answers related

[0:18:20] Voice 6: to the trust policy statement, what's envisioned, how it will unfold, what the priorities are,

[0:18:27] Voice 6: and what's sort of being contemplated at this stage.

[0:18:31] Voice 6: I'm actually one of the presenters, along with Trustee Morrison from North Pender and

[0:18:38] Voice 6: and Lisa Wilcox, who's our Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor

[0:18:42] Voice 6: slash First Nations Advisor, as well as some other Trust Area Services staff.

[0:18:48] Voice 6: It will be an opportunity.

[0:18:50] Voice 6: Everybody's welcome to join.

[0:18:52] Voice 6: I think you have to register in order to be there,

[0:18:55] Voice 6: but I'm sure it's quite simple.

[0:18:57] Voice 6: And if you have some questions, you can put them forward

[0:19:01] Voice 6: and the group will try and answer those questions.

[0:19:05] Voice 6: So as you can see, there's a lot going on at Trust Council right now on a variety of different things.

[0:19:13] Voice 6: There's things going on in the Regional Planning Committee related to fees and services.

[0:19:17] Voice 6: There's other projects related to standard bylaws or bylaw templates for foreshore.

[0:19:27] Voice 6: There's all sorts of things that are occurring on an ongoing basis, as well as the Planning Services Review is unfolding as we go forward.

[0:19:35] Voice 6: All of that is in the very lengthy Trust Council package.

[0:19:42] Voice 6: It's over 900 pages this month.

[0:19:44] Voice 6: Besides the budget and the trust policy statement and the survey results, if I could recommend one thing for you to read if you're interested,

[0:19:51] Voice 6: is there's a summary from our senior intergovernmental policy advisor in the package on what steps the trust has taken over the last number of years related to reconciliation.

[0:20:02] Voice 6: reconciliation. It's an insightful look into the work that's been going on within the trust that

[0:20:09] Voice 6: may not always be obvious to everyone related to reconciliation. And I think it's about a 20-page

[0:20:16] Voice 6: read, but it gives you a sense of all of the various steps that we've implemented in the last,

[0:20:22] Voice 6: particularly in the last two years, but in the last three or four years related to reconciliation.

[0:20:27] Voice 6: So I've probably talked enough, but that's what's going on at the trust council level.

[0:20:32] Voice 6: on an ongoing basis.

[0:20:34] Voice 6: So thank you very much for that.

[0:20:37] Voice 6: So that leads us to the first town hall.

[0:20:41] Voice 6: So as always, I'm going to,

[0:20:44] Voice 6: those of you who have been here on a regular basis

[0:20:48] Voice 6: have heard me say the things I'm about to say,

[0:20:52] Voice 6: which is that town hall is your opportunity

[0:20:54] Voice 6: to speak to the local trust committee.

[0:20:56] Voice 6: And so there's a couple of expectations

[0:21:00] Voice 6: and rules around your speaking.

[0:21:03] Voice 6: One is I'm asking that you're expected

[0:21:06] Voice 6: to address issues and not people.

[0:21:10] Voice 6: This is not an opportunity to talk

[0:21:12] Voice 6: about anybody else's actions or anybody else

[0:21:15] Voice 6: or your perception of somebody else, et cetera.

[0:21:18] Voice 6: Not what this is about, it's about an opportunity

[0:21:21] Voice 6: for you to address issues and not people.

[0:21:24] Voice 6: Secondly, I'd ask you to address your comments to us.

[0:21:27] Voice 6: This is not, i.e., the local trust committee.

[0:21:31] Voice 6: It's not an opportunity for you to engage in a discussion

[0:21:34] Voice 6: or a back and forth with members of your community

[0:21:38] Voice 6: or address your comments to members of your community.

[0:21:40] Voice 6: This is about talking to the local trust committee

[0:21:43] Voice 6: and that's what we'd ask you to do.

[0:21:45] Voice 6: Third, of course, we ask your language to be appropriate

[0:21:48] Voice 6: and that you address us in appropriate,

[0:21:52] Voice 6: address us and everybody in appropriate fashion.

[0:21:56] Voice 6: I ask you to remember that of course this is a workplace for everybody you see on screen

[0:22:03] Voice 6: or don't see or will see on screen, all of the trust representatives.

[0:22:07] Voice 6: And each of the people here, including the trustees, are entitled to expect to have a safe work experience.

[0:22:16] Voice 6: So I ask you to remember that as you make your comments and your submissions to the local trust meeting.

[0:22:23] Voice 6: me. As well, we want it to be a safe place for everybody that's involved. All the people that

[0:22:30] Voice 6: are watching and listening. So it's not an opportunity for you to make comments about

[0:22:37] Voice 6: your neighbors or anybody else's comments. It's an opportunity for everybody to feel

[0:22:43] Voice 6: they have the opportunity to speak. So having said that, I want to say a couple more things

[0:22:51] Voice 6: about Town Hall.

[0:22:53] Voice 6: First of all, I will be asking you, first of all,

[0:22:56] Voice 6: if anybody wishes to speak to us about something other

[0:23:00] Voice 6: than the Giggers application.

[0:23:04] Voice 6: And that's because, as you may know, many of you do,

[0:23:09] Voice 6: I'm sure Trustee Wolverton has recused herself

[0:23:11] Voice 6: from that application, so she can't hear when comments

[0:23:15] Voice 6: are made related to the Giggers application.

[0:23:17] Voice 6: Once we are finished the Giggers application,

[0:23:21] Voice 6: the uh then i will ask trustee wolverton to leave um and then we and then i'll bring her back in

[0:23:29] Voice 6: we'll do a bit more business until we get to that actual application on the thing then i will ask

[0:23:35] Voice 6: as she leaves i will ask if there are comments related to the giggers application

[0:23:38] Voice 6: um and we will listen i will say this we have received a lot of correspondence in the last

[0:23:45] Voice 6: well, over the whole course of the whole thing,

[0:23:48] Voice 6: the whole application, but in particularly

[0:23:51] Voice 6: in the last week to 10 days related to this.

[0:23:56] Voice 6: And I've read it all.

[0:23:57] Voice 6: I would bet trustee Rockefeller has as well.

[0:24:01] Voice 6: She can nod.

[0:24:02] Voice 6: So you don't need to repeat yourself

[0:24:04] Voice 6: if you filed a letter with us.

[0:24:08] Voice 6: We've read it and now having said that,

[0:24:13] Voice 6: But, you know, you're welcome to speak to us, but we have read it all.

[0:24:17] Voice 6: So we've seen it, and we know where it's at.

[0:24:21] Voice 6: So the one last thing I'll say before I open the town hall is we are post-public hearing related to, what was that bylaw number?

[0:24:33] Voice 6: It was the STVR bylaw.

[0:24:35] Voice 6: I can't remember the number of it, but we are, sorry?

[0:24:39] Voice 6: 275.

[0:24:40] Voice 6: 275, thank you.

[0:24:41] Voice 6: So we are post-public hearing with that, and because there's an OCP amendment involved in the, it has to go to the minister, so we will be considering adoption of it for a few more months.

[0:24:57] Voice 6: So I remind you that we can't receive any further comments related to that particular bylaw, because we are post-public hearing, and I ask you not to speak.

[0:25:11] Voice 6: Okay, so again, I've probably spoken too much, but here we are. I'm going to open the town hall. So first of all, so again, you raise your hand, you hit the raise hand button. I see there is one person on the phone, and I believe you hit star nine to raise your hand. Am I correct, Shayla?

[0:25:31] Voice 19: Yes, you are.

[0:25:32] Voice 19: okay

[0:25:32] Voice 6: so um if you wish to speak to the local trust committee about something other than the

[0:25:40] Voice 6: giggers application please raise your hand right now okay i'm not seeing anyone um at all last

[0:26:01] Voice 6: chance other than the town hall following at the end of the meeting um so there's no one wish to

[0:26:09] Voice 6: to speak to us about something other than Giggers.

[0:26:11] Voice 6: So Trustee Wolverton, I'm going to ask you to step aside now

[0:26:17] Voice 6: I gather you'll turn your mic and your camera and often

[0:26:20] Voice 6: or however you do that and Trustee Rockefeller

[0:26:23] Voice 6: will contact you when it's appropriate

[0:26:27] Voice 6: to come back to the local trust committee.

[0:26:30] Voice 6: Okay, so now the town hall is open for this

[0:26:33] Voice 6: for anybody who wishes to speak to us related

[0:26:35] Voice 6: to the Giggers application.

[0:26:38] Voice 6: location. Okay. No, I saw a hand and it disappeared. There's, okay, I see Jennifer

[0:26:49] Voice 6: Markinson. So, Jennifer, if we could promote, Shayla, if you could promote Jennifer. And

[0:26:57] Voice 6: Jennifer, you'll be able to turn your camera on if you wish. Yes, there you are, and unmute yourself.

[0:27:05] Voice 6: So, please go ahead. I'm going to, I see a couple others. I'm going to sort of arbitrarily say that

[0:27:11] Voice 6: that if you could try and keep your comments

[0:27:13] Voice 6: within three to five minutes,

[0:27:15] Voice 6: and then we'll make sure everybody

[0:27:18] Voice 6: has an opportunity to speak.

[0:27:20] Voice 6: Jennifer, you need to unmute yourself

[0:27:22] Voice 6: and you can turn your camera on if you wish or not,

[0:27:25] Voice 6: if you don't wish.

[0:27:26] Voice 6: You should be able to speak now.

[0:27:28] Voice 7: Okay, thank you.

[0:27:29] Voice 7: I'll leave my camera off because I'm trying to save data.

[0:27:32] Voice 7: So thank you very much, Chair Rogers

[0:27:35] Voice 7: and Trustee Rockefeller and planners Kojima and Smith.

[0:27:39] Voice 7: I want to speak to the staff report recommendation for this meeting in relation to the Giggers rezoning application and that is to direct staff to draft a bylaw authorizing the LTC to enter into a housing agreement with the applicant based on the proposed terms and conditions described in the staff report.

[0:28:00] Voice 7: I noted that it's it's stated in the staff report that drafting the housing agreement is a long and complicated process and involves significant trust staff time and the cost of a legal review, and as well requires information listed on appendix one, the housing agreement proposal checklist.

[0:28:23] Voice 7: list so as a member of the community with concerns about this specific site my comment is that there

[0:28:34] Voice 7: is information not yet provided significant information that would seem to me to make this

[0:28:41] Voice 7: step and the recommendation of the staff report premature and i'd like to just quickly comment on

[0:28:47] Voice 7: on some of the things that I feel are missing.

[0:28:51] Voice 7: For example, when looking at the checklist on page four

[0:28:55] Voice 7: of the housing agreement,

[0:28:57] Voice 7: I'm not aware there is a water management plan

[0:28:59] Voice 7: or a septic management plan or a facility management plan,

[0:29:04] Voice 7: including the costs associated with ongoing management

[0:29:08] Voice 7: of the property or funding.

[0:29:10] Voice 7: If these plans do exist,

[0:29:13] Voice 7: as a concerned community member and a representative of a group of property owners who

[0:29:19] Voice 7: would be most impacted by this proposed development i would like to be provided with this information

[0:29:25] Voice 7: as it it is all related to questions we have been asking for some time it's also stated in

[0:29:33] Voice 7: the staff report that this development will be managed by a working group known as the housing

[0:29:38] Voice 7: management committee of Giggers and while I understand there is a very

[0:29:42] Voice 7: committed hard-working group of volunteers I would also like to know

[0:29:47] Voice 7: what expertise or experience the housing management committee has in managing

[0:29:52] Voice 7: such a complicated endeavor both in the construction phase and the ongoing

[0:29:57] Voice 7: management additionally

[0:30:00] Voice 7: a request has been sent to the trustees for a wildfire hazard assessment of the community

[0:30:05] Voice 7: forest conducted by a professional forester or registered forest technologist with this experience

[0:30:12] Voice 7: and the trustees and our strata have received a detailed letter of concern from a Georgia View

[0:30:19] Voice 7: property owner with a professional background in woodland forest fire fighting and he refers to the

[0:30:26] Voice 7: wildfire conditions in the community forest as a jackpot in terms of fuel load slope and wind

[0:30:33] Voice 7: that he says in this particular forest create the perfect conditions for extreme fire behavior

[0:30:40] Voice 7: and even the community forest management plans call this call the community forest symptomatic

[0:30:46] Voice 7: of high intensity wildfire conditions i know the trustees have received this letter so i

[0:30:54] Voice 7: I'm not going to go on any further with some of the important information that is in his letter,

[0:31:03] Voice 7: but he ends by saying that building numerous housing units in the middle of what he calls a jackpot

[0:31:10] Voice 7: in terms of the extreme fire risk would add an undue amount of risk to an already tenuous situation.

[0:31:18] Voice 7: But I do want to emphasize that our concern is not just the added risk from development,

[0:31:24] Voice 7: but it also raises the more important question perhaps of the wisdom of locating a population

[0:31:30] Voice 7: of vulnerable people in an area that has been so described and building sprinklers and employing

[0:31:37] Voice 7: fire spark procedures on the housing site will will really do nothing to mitigate the larger

[0:31:43] Voice 7: risk that the present condition in this forest represents we also would like to see a transportation

[0:31:51] Voice 7: assessment, not just a traffic assessment that will address how people get around if they do not

[0:31:58] Voice 7: have a vehicle. And rideshare and e-bikes, I'm afraid, are just not concrete solutions for this

[0:32:05] Voice 7: issue in this particular location. Just to finish off quickly here, as well, the ecological

[0:32:14] Voice 7: The ecological assessment that has been provided in the package for this meeting may well have provided what Giggers requested of Mr. Erickson, the author of the assessment, but he acknowledges its limitations.

[0:32:30] Voice 7: A snapshot of observed vegetation over two days in November, no reference to other seasonal native plants, the lack of a thorough species at risk study and the environmental impact of the road development for this site was not included.

[0:32:48] Voice 7: and we would really like to see the trustees request a more comprehensive report and by an

[0:32:56] Voice 7: impartial expert who has not been affiliated in the way Mr. Erickson has with the landowner and

[0:33:04] Voice 7: the rezoning applicant so the there and there is also the outstanding question of legal issues

[0:33:13] Voice 7: in relation to the covenant and the declaration of trust for the community forest that

[0:33:18] Voice 7: that we've never had.

[0:33:19] Voice 6: Could I ask you to wrap up Ms. Markinson?

[0:33:21] Voice 6: I've given you five minutes so far.

[0:33:23] Voice 7: Okay, so that's basically it just that we would like

[0:33:27] Voice 7: to see our many outstanding questions and concerns

[0:33:30] Voice 7: investigated properly before this particular recommendation

[0:33:35] Voice 7: and instead would like the trustees

[0:33:37] Voice 7: to approve an alternate recommendation

[0:33:39] Voice 7: to request further information on all these matters.

[0:33:42] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:33:44] Voice 6: Thank you and I'll just say that

[0:33:50] Voice 6: some of the the matters sorry about that you've got to figure out how to turn that on

[0:33:58] Voice 6: reports some of the for example the water management plan came in

[0:34:03] Voice 6: and I just the other day and so it's very new to us it will be provided publicly of course like

[0:34:10] Voice 6: everything else and and shortly so some of those matters are are still being in the works and I

[0:34:17] Voice 6: I saw in correspondence that there's some referrals

[0:34:21] Voice 6: related to fire.

[0:34:21] Voice 6: So some of those things are still occurring

[0:34:23] Voice 6: and they will be made public as we go forward.

[0:34:28] Voice 6: So thank you for that.

[0:34:29] Voice 6: I see the next name is Karmita.

[0:34:36] Voice 6: Thank you, if you could promote Karmita

[0:34:39] Voice 6: and I just want to acknowledge,

[0:34:41] Voice 6: of course we did receive your correspondence as well,

[0:34:43] Voice 6: Karmita.

[0:34:47] Voice 23: Are you fine now?

[0:34:50] Voice 6: Yeah, I can hear you.

[0:34:51] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:34:51] Voice 6: Go ahead.

[0:34:52] Voice 23: Thank you.

[0:34:53] Voice 23: Thank you for giving the opportunity to talk.

[0:34:57] Voice 23: Well, Jennifer has presented some of the concerns.

[0:35:05] Voice 23: I got the same idea with respect to the recommendation of the planner about the staff to draft a

[0:35:15] Voice 23: bylaw now.

[0:35:16] Voice 23: I consider that the Alternative 3, that is, request further information, is more appropriate.

[0:35:27] Voice 23: In that Appendix 1, page 43, that is the Housing Agreement Proposal Checklist, also speaks

[0:35:37] Voice 23: about funding.

[0:35:40] Voice 23: There is no information about funding.

[0:35:44] Voice 23: Do you know if GIGRs apply for funding with BC Housing on January?

[0:35:51] Voice 23: I

[0:35:54] Voice 6: will ask that question when we have GIGRs here and when we consider their application.

[0:36:01] Voice 23: Okay. Well, it's not there yet, at least publicly. We don't have anything about funding.

[0:36:08] Voice 23: And one administrative thing. The agenda, package agenda, was amended. And it will be

[0:36:21] Voice 23: good if when the package agenda is amended after being published on Monday, if they could

[0:36:28] Voice 23: put the date that is amended and what is amended, what page. Because the package is very long

[0:36:36] Voice 23: and very difficult to know what was amended.

[0:36:39] Voice 23: Well, I don't know what was amended,

[0:36:41] Voice 23: but I think it will be easy if you put the page number

[0:36:45] Voice 23: and one can look at it.

[0:36:48] Voice 23: The thing I want to talk about in the several staff reports,

[0:36:55] Voice 23: they are always speaking about what is consistent,

[0:36:59] Voice 23: what is generally consistent with the OCP,

[0:37:04] Voice 23: broadly consistent,

[0:37:05] Voice 23: But there is nothing about what is inconsistent, like even what is consistent.

[0:37:14] Voice 23: There are two definitions in this report of affordable housing.

[0:37:20] Voice 23: One is the OCP.

[0:37:23] Voice 23: Affordable housing describes rental or owned housing that can be acquired without exceeding

[0:37:31] Voice 23: 30% of the median gross income or low to moderate income families on Gallia.

[0:37:39] Voice 23: The VC housing definition is affordable housing is considered affordable when 30% or less

[0:37:48] Voice 23: of your household gross income goes toward paying for your housing costs.

[0:37:54] Voice 23: It's different.

[0:37:55] Voice 23: In the report, it says it's consistent, but one is about median gross income or low to moderate income families, that's in the OCP, while the VC, housing, say household gross income.

[0:38:11] Voice 23: So there is no mention about low or middle.

[0:38:15] Voice 23: So I don't think the definitions are consistent.

[0:38:17] Voice 23: When gigas present under rental rates, the definition that they say, the owner covenants and agrees that he will, A, not charge any tenants a monthly rent exclusive of utilities that is greater than 30% of the gross monthly household income of the qualified renter.

[0:38:46] Voice 23: except in the case of an affordable market unit.

[0:38:52] Voice 23: That's in page 19 in the report.

[0:38:55] Voice 23: That's different again, because there we have an exception

[0:38:59] Voice 23: that is not even in the basic housing definition.

[0:39:07] Voice 23: Also, when is the idea of exclusively?

[0:39:11] Voice 23: The OCP speaks about all additional density

[0:39:17] Voice 23: greater than that permitted by current zoning shall be in the form of units reserved exclusively

[0:39:24] Voice 23: for occupancy as affordable senior or special needs.

[0:39:30] Voice 23: Now, after that, we have, from the staff report,

[0:39:36] Voice 23: while not all the units are reserved exclusively for affordable housing,

[0:39:41] Voice 23: as per the definition provided in the OCP,

[0:39:44] Voice 23: OCP, the proposal is consistent with the funding program condition of BusyHouse.

[0:39:50] Voice 23: We know that BusyHousing provides funding and gives the money, but the thing is that

[0:39:57] Voice 23: this is not the same, so if it is necessary, you can change the OCP, but it's not the same.

[0:40:04] Voice 23: Now, for inconsistencies, Jennifer spoke about the risk,

[0:40:12] Voice 6: fire risk,

[0:40:13] Voice 6: in the

[0:40:17] Voice 23: fire risk in the OCP,

[0:40:19] Voice 23: in under land use 11, say they need to protect life and property from the threat of fire. 13,

[0:40:29] Voice 23: The protection of development from a hazardous condition.

[0:40:34] Voice 23: Well, that area, the heritage forest, is a hazardous fire risk condition.

[0:40:42] Voice 23: It's a danger.

[0:40:43] Voice 23: It's a danger for us.

[0:40:45] Voice 23: That's where the big fire was in 2006.

[0:40:49] Voice 23: And if you put 40 vulnerable people there, it's inconsistent with this.

[0:40:57] Voice 23: and there are other inconsistencies that are never mentioned in the report.

[0:41:02] Voice 23: That's what I wanted to say about inconsistencies. Thank you, thank you.

[0:41:11] Voice 6: Thank you, Carmita. The phone number was next, 250, so could we

[0:41:19] Voice 6: promote that person to an unmute and then they can unmute and I think you hit star six to unmute

[0:41:27] Voice 6: if that's correct I think that's right correct Shayla there you go so

[0:41:37] Voice 1: could you identify yourself

[0:41:38] Voice 6: please hi

[0:41:39] Voice 1: I'm Sandy Harty I'm on Georgia View thank

[0:41:43] Voice 6: you go ahead um

[0:41:44] Voice 1: I just want I'll keep it

[0:41:45] Voice 1: really short um I just agree with everything that Jennifer and Karmita said so I second that

[0:41:53] Voice 1: so if you want I'll just keep it short and that's all I have to say thank you very much

[0:41:59] Voice 1: uh

[0:42:01] Voice 6: the next person to speak is um uh put their hand up is Jillian Dusting hi

[0:42:16] Voice 10: there can you hear

[0:42:16] Voice 10: me Ken Jillian go

[0:42:18] Voice 10: ahead okay thanks a lot for taking my um uh for hearing me out um I was

[0:42:27] Voice 10: was pleased at the community information meeting back in when December to sort of hear more about

[0:42:35] Voice 10: the proposed development but afterwards I realized we didn't really have an opportunity for

[0:42:41] Voice 10: really fulsome discussion on it just because of the format and I thought afterwards wait a minute

[0:42:47] Voice 10: I didn't hear anything about budget about what this development will cost and what it will cost

[0:42:54] Voice 10: to maintain and what it will cost even per unit and I think that's really important information

[0:43:02] Voice 10: for trustees to know going into making these decisions and also for all of us to know given that

[0:43:09] Voice 10: it is meaning that this development will open up the community heritage forest which is so

[0:43:17] Voice 10: important to so many of us for its recreational use and for its ecological value. So something I

[0:43:27] Voice 10: think is really important for all of us to know and I'd like to know is the cost of the development

[0:43:32] Voice 10: and the cost of maintaining the development over time and how that funding will be secured.

[0:43:40] Voice 10: And I think it's important going forward before you make any ultimate decisions or even perhaps

[0:43:45] Voice 10: a condition to making an ultimate decision is to not only know the budget but also to know

[0:43:51] Voice 10: that the funding is secure that it that you have assurance there will be funding for it

[0:43:57] Voice 10: and the other piece around budget is the cost of developing the road from the paved georgia view

[0:44:04] Voice 10: to the development site and i understand from the report the planners report that that's a

[0:44:11] Voice 10: separate cost that has to be covered by the developers the proponents and so again what is

[0:44:19] Voice 10: that cost to develop the road and and to bring that hydro the hydro services in and where will

[0:44:24] Voice 10: that funding come from and are they assured that they have that funding so those are to me really

[0:44:30] Voice 10: really important pieces of information that we don't have yet so that's one question or one

[0:44:37] Voice 10: comment that I have. And then the other thing is really a question on on the process. And it's

[0:44:46] Voice 10: around the agency referral section. And I just don't entirely know how that works. So I'd be

[0:44:52] Voice 10: interested to know more about that. There's a lot of different agencies, non agencies and First

[0:44:57] Voice 10: Nations that I assume, receive information on this proposal. And but I don't know what do they

[0:45:05] Voice 10: receive what is asked of them and how do they respond or do they respond and do we see that

[0:45:11] Voice 10: response so that that's a question to you so

[0:45:14] Voice 6: ms dusting i i'm happy to answer your question but

[0:45:17] Voice 6: i actually don't usually do this but i actually have a question for you if that's all right

[0:45:23] Voice 6: um we've had a couple of people say they want to know what the budget and the cost is and you've

[0:45:31] Voice 6: just said uh it's important information for us to know now given that this project is going to

[0:45:39] Voice 6: only work if there's funding that will be worked out in quite a bit of detail with the with either

[0:45:46] Voice 6: the province or whoever the funder is present i mean we're all assuming it's bc housing and there

[0:45:51] Voice 6: will be lots of guarantees and the standard bc housing contra agreement says that you know if

[0:45:57] Voice 6: If an organization doesn't work out, then they can step in and take it over.

[0:46:01] Voice 6: So I guess I don't, I'd like to hear someone tell me, I'm not saying I don't understand,

[0:46:06] Voice 6: but I'd like to have someone, if you could shortly, briefly tell me why it's important

[0:46:12] Voice 6: for us or the community to know the cost.

[0:46:18] Voice 6: I get why we need to know what's going to be charged and who it's going to serve and

[0:46:26] Voice 6: whether or not it actually serves the community but why is it could you can you tell me briefly

[0:46:31] Voice 6: why it's important that we know the cost given we're not the funder

[0:46:36] Voice 10: sorry given that you're not

[0:46:38] Voice 10: the funder did you say yeah yeah um well because there are costs dollar costs to developing

[0:46:45] Voice 10: a project like this and they

[0:46:48] Voice 10: and um anytime you're looking at any kind of large project

[0:46:53] Voice 10: any capital project in business or even in your personal life you like to know what it's going

[0:47:00] Voice 10: to cost and will it make sense to actually spend that money and to do that especially when there

[0:47:06] Voice 10: are other costs that aren't necessarily dollars that are equally as important or as critical to

[0:47:16] Voice 10: the community and

[0:47:17] Voice 6: so I say go ahead sorry I don't want to interrupt

[0:47:20] Voice 10: you so those costs from my

[0:47:22] Voice 10: perspective.

[0:47:23] Voice 6: So my question is,

[0:47:25] Voice 6: why do we as the local trust committee need to know in detail or

[0:47:30] Voice 6: indeed the community at large need to understand the cost? I mean, I've gotten all the things

[0:47:36] Voice 6: around, there's environmental issues, there's fire issues, there's road issues, there's all sorts

[0:47:41] Voice 6: and water issues and sewage issues and density and traffic and all those things. But why is it

[0:47:48] Voice 6: it important for us as the local trust committee and there may be a very good answer i'm just

[0:47:54] Voice 6: trying to ask so that i

[0:47:55] Voice 6: give you opportunity to tell me that sure

[0:47:58] Voice 10: um i see a tremendous amount

[0:48:01] Voice 10: of work going into this uh people hours person hours volunteer hours staff hours trustee hours

[0:48:08] Voice 10: going into this development into the this proposal and so um i think it's important to have

[0:48:16] Voice 10: an understanding of whether or not it's worth it worth the investment of all that time and all

[0:48:24] Voice 10: those hours and all that effort is it something that really is going to fly and is going to make

[0:48:30] Voice 10: sense financially and so yeah I would say

[0:48:34] Voice 6: thank you let me answer your question so there's a

[0:48:37] Voice 6: standard referral package that goes out to all of the referral agencies they're provided with draft

[0:48:42] Voice 6: bylaws uh they're provided with a general description of the project and what it's about

[0:48:48] Voice 6: and they're asked um whether they have comments whether their interests are affected whether they

[0:48:54] Voice 6: have uh um uh and whether or whether or not they they have any concerns or or or criticisms or

[0:49:03] Voice 6: conditions under which they would like to see this go ahead or not go ahead we've had a number

[0:49:09] Voice 6: of referrals back um and uh i believe brad those the ones we've gotten are on the website if i'm

[0:49:18] Voice 6: not mistaken oh no that was they will be presented when we get to a particular if we get to a

[0:49:24] Voice 6: particular stage not all the organ the groups have responded yet um and but as those referrals come

[0:49:33] Voice 6: back uh they come back with with either comments or or not and we've had a couple of from first

[0:49:41] Voice 6: nations uh and um we've had someone from a couple of provincial ministries i believe um and and one

[0:49:51] Voice 6: from the trail association on galliano that i recall that i've seen so all of those will be

[0:49:57] Voice 6: described in a staff at some point but basically what they're asked is here's the project here's

[0:50:05] Voice 6: our proposed bylaw here's what it means so what's your comment related to this or concern or if you

[0:50:11] Voice 6: have any concerns or tell us that you simply don't have any consideration and do you

[0:50:17] Voice 10: do you commonly

[0:50:18] Voice 10: have a response from all of the agencies on the

[0:50:22] Voice 10: list or just

[0:50:23] Voice 6: no in many in lots of cases we don't

[0:50:25] Voice 6: get a response because we refer pretty much every bylaw we do except for perhaps administrative

[0:50:31] Voice 6: bylaws we refer them out to um uh and some and sometimes it changes as to who we send them out to

[0:50:39] Voice 9: if

[0:50:40] Voice 6: one is particular for something we'll send it to a parks commission or something but the but

[0:50:45] Voice 6: no and in many cases uh first nations don't respond in some cases provincial ministries

[0:50:53] Voice 6: don't respond um and in some cases they do

[0:50:56] Voice 10: okay all right thank you

[0:50:59] Voice 6: okay yes thank you very much

[0:51:01] Voice 10: um

[0:51:03] Voice 6: thank you for your comments um the next person on the list is uh tito uh mn so i'm not sure i've

[0:51:15] Voice 6: forgotten i saw an email i've got the submission from you uh from tito but i don't know what i

[0:51:21] Voice 6: I've forgotten what MN stands for, but go ahead. You can unmute yourself and you're welcome to

[0:51:26] Voice 6: turn your camera on if you wish to.

[0:51:29] Voice 2: Okay. Let's see if this works.

[0:51:31] Voice 6: There you are. Yes, I can see you.

[0:51:33] Voice 2: In the public area. So I'm going to try and keep this short.

[0:51:36] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:51:36] Voice 6: My

[0:51:36] Voice 2: name is Tito Martin-Nemton. I am a long-term renter on Galliano Island,

[0:51:44] Voice 2: and I'll do my best to keep it brief. But there is something I just want to address very quickly,

[0:51:50] Voice 2: if i can that hurts my soul um and that is the concern about um the ability for those to get up

[0:52:00] Voice 2: to uh the giggers project without a working vehicle or a driver's license because that is a

[0:52:06] Voice 2: point that was brought up in the public hearing by which richard de winnitz is hosted meeting by me

[0:52:12] Voice 2: i was the one who had that small concern but i wasn't meaning to use it to derail the project

[0:52:20] Voice 2: I was doing it just from a personal standpoint, and I feel that point has overshadowed the rest of what I said there, which is the lack of affordable housing on Galliano Island has a very human cost.

[0:52:38] Voice 2: Just that month, I had lost a dear friend of mine who was in a very vulnerable position, in a very compromised position, quite often with landlords, with subpar housing.

[0:52:52] Voice 2: And the whole quibbling of the costs, the financial costs, the recommendations, which I believe are already being processed, if they haven't already.

[0:53:06] Voice 2: All of that is taking focus away from the human cost of how it most affects people like me, people who are still alive, to speak for those who are not here to speak.

[0:53:19] Voice 2: We have had people like my in my age group dying from subpar housing from overdoses from a lack of decent living. And this project is meant to address that.

[0:53:35] Voice 2: So I would please respectfully ask those who have concerns about the project no longer speak for me or mine when I'm doing my best to find a license, to find a working vehicle so I can participate and contribute to the island.

[0:53:51] Voice 2: those who do not lack a vehicle who cannot who will not find immediate uh benefit from giggers

[0:54:00] Voice 2: should not be the reason why the project is stalled and i want to and if people want to

[0:54:09] Voice 2: speak on behalf of me or mine about whether or not we have access to the project speak also

[0:54:14] Voice 2: to the fact of how desperately we need this we need this project so that we can have decent

[0:54:21] Voice 2: lives and we can make save up for our dreams and not be kicked off by gatekeeping and barriers that

[0:54:29] Voice 2: thank you

[0:54:32] Voice 6: i'm gonna i'm gonna ask you not to start thank you for that um i appreciate your

[0:54:37] Voice 6: point and of course no one should ever speak for somebody else um unless they're authorized to do

[0:54:42] Voice 6: so so but thank you for your comment um i have a john mcfetrick if we could promote mr mcfetrick

[0:54:52] Voice 6: and maybe move Tito back.

[0:54:54] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:54:56] Voice 6: Mr. McFerrick, you should be able to unmute

[0:54:58] Voice 6: and you can turn your camera on if you wish.

[0:55:03] Voice 3: Unmute, start video.

[0:55:05] Voice 3: All right, there I am.

[0:55:09] Voice 3: The speaker before Tito,

[0:55:13] Voice 3: I can't remember her name.

[0:55:16] Voice 3: Jillian Dustin.

[0:55:17] Voice 3: Jillian, okay.

[0:55:18] Voice 3: Could you offer some clarification

[0:55:21] Voice 3: in what you meant by...

[0:55:23] Voice 3: um this is not

[0:55:24] Voice 6: a conversation between you and her so i'm no okay so she's not

[0:55:29] Voice 6: on she's not online

[0:55:30] Voice 6: right now

[0:55:31] Voice 3: okay um the question her question is of is it worth it uh speaks directly to

[0:55:38] Voice 3: to tito's remarks um at what point do we uh place value on the people who work and and serve in this

[0:55:50] Voice 3: community uh to uh the people who are served the people who uh depend on um um general workers to

[0:56:03] Voice 3: to fulfill the things that they need to make their lives comfortable um so as far as is it worth it

[0:56:11] Voice 3: i'm really confused by by what she meant by that and if if there's a way that could be addressed

[0:56:17] Voice 3: that would be great

[0:56:17] Voice 6: that's yeah and i i you may have seen that i asked her that question

[0:56:23] Voice 6: um i'm anyway but thank you okay are you done uh yes for now thank you um i see there's a comment

[0:56:36] Voice 6: in a chat i don't know if the person wishes it and i don't know shayla can you help me do

[0:56:42] Voice 6: Do attendees, are they able to see the chat?

[0:56:46] Voice 6: Do we know?

[0:56:48] Voice 19: No, I do not believe so.

[0:56:49] Voice 19: This meeting was set up by Maple.

[0:56:51] Voice 19: So unfortunately I wasn't the one to do it,

[0:56:53] Voice 19: but no, I believe it's just the panel.

[0:56:56] Voice 6: Okay, thank you.

[0:56:59] Voice 6: I'm going to go to Mr. Rybak

[0:57:01] Voice 6: cause he's the first time speaker

[0:57:03] Voice 6: and I'll come back to Gillian dusting.

[0:57:06] Voice 6: But I will say, I really don't want to get into a back

[0:57:10] Voice 6: and forth between people in the community. There's other forums for that, but I'll

[0:57:18] Voice 6: let Dustin come back when Mr. Rybak's finished. Hello, Mr. Rybak. Welcome back.

[0:57:24] Voice 4: Good afternoon. I actually have a question for clarification, I guess, directed to

[0:57:31] Voice 4: the planners um on page 24 of the agenda package or page 11 of the staff report it says that draft

[0:57:43] Voice 4: bylaw 27 uh 276 and 277 have been referred to the following agencies and organizations

[0:57:51] Voice 4: and my organization the galliano parks and recreation commission is listed in the regional

[0:58:01] Voice 4: agencies and if you go down to you know further on that particular page it says that the 30-day

[0:58:08] Voice 4: referral period closes present tense on february 25 2020 so i'm confused is there a current referral

[0:58:22] Voice 4: that is out or does this refer to an initial referral that was made over a year ago

[0:58:30] Voice 4: because if there is a current referral out we haven't been referred it hasn't been referred to

[0:58:38] Voice 6: us uh i will turn that over to uh planners smith i'm sure that was intended to say 2021 but um i

[0:58:46] Voice 6: will turn it up the

[0:58:47] Voice 6: question about the referral to the galliano uh island parks and recreation

[0:58:52] Voice 6: creation committee although it does say crd but i but whatever um anyway over to you

[0:58:58] Voice 6: obviously

[0:58:58] Planner: that's a typo and i did send your specific email steven to maple to uh send the

[0:59:06] Planner: referral package to you so if it hasn't arrived then my apologies referral

[0:59:10] Voice 4: package come out

[0:59:12] Planner: 30 days before february 25th which is the standard referral time period so

[0:59:18] Planner: So obviously, we attempt to send it to all agencies.

[0:59:22] Planner: And if you haven't received it, then we can give you some more time to provide your response.

[0:59:29] Voice 4: We haven't received it, and I've got a meeting of the commission coming up on Thursday.

[0:59:34] Planner: Well, that's good timing then, at least.

[0:59:36] Planner: And I'll make sure Maple sent that to you, okay?

[0:59:39] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[0:59:40] Planner: Thank you, Steve.

[0:59:41] Voice 6: Thanks, Mr. Ryback, and thank you for bringing that to our attention.

[0:59:44] Voice 6: attention. And then we have one more hand and that's Ms. Dusting again.

[1:00:02] Voice 6: So, sorry. Oh, yes. Thank you. And you can move, Mr. Ryback.

[1:00:10] Voice 10: Hello again. And I just thought I should clarify what I said, because perhaps it sounded flippant.

[1:00:17] Voice 10: And when I'm talking about cost, there are many different kinds of costs associated with a project like this.

[1:00:28] Voice 10: and um my position personal position is has is is not at all opposed to affordable housing

[1:00:36] Voice 10: i understand that there is a real solid need for affordable housing on galliano so that that

[1:00:42] Voice 10: isn't really wasn't not my point but when i look at the cost of a project and i look at an

[1:00:49] Voice 10: infrastructure cost associated with even getting the getting into the project the development area

[1:00:55] Voice 10: I ask myself, should those infrastructure costs, when we don't know what they are, should they be applied to building a road?

[1:01:08] Voice 10: Or could that same amount of money be put into an affordable housing project that's closer to community amenities and has infrastructure already at its doorstep?

[1:01:22] Voice 10: and so that that that those dollars could be put directly into housing not into building a road

[1:01:28] Voice 10: or bringing in hydro so really that's my point and uh i wanted to clarify that thank you very

[1:01:36] Voice 10: much thanks for hearing me and

[1:01:38] Voice 6: i i see now that thank you jillian as well you've indicated that

[1:01:41] Voice 6: you all can see the chat so that's fine that's good to know thank you there are a couple of

[1:01:47] Voice 6: varieties of zoom meetings that it's not clear to me when things people what people can see so

[1:01:54] Voice 6: i see no um further hands up um oh i see now i see one more i see um uh brahmi benner and please

[1:02:05] Voice 6: keep in mind if you know if we've already heard something oh there she is hi brahmi go ahead

[1:02:13] Voice 6: you need to unmute yourself okay

[1:02:16] Voice 22: can you hear me i

[1:02:17] Voice 6: can okay

[1:02:18] Voice 22: um yeah thank you for giving me a chance

[1:02:20] Voice 22: to speak um i just want to say that i'm very much in support of this project um i used to live on

[1:02:28] Voice 22: georgia view road i used to live in a house that's now been sold and those renters are now looking

[1:02:35] Voice 22: for somewhere to live and i just i think that it is very important to continue talking about this

[1:02:41] Voice 22: this crisis and this pressing need because i don't i don't understand people think that some

[1:02:47] Voice 22: Some imaginary project is going to save Galeano from, you know, being unhoused and from the

[1:02:52] Voice 22: brain drain of losing talented people and losing people who are working class and need

[1:02:57] Voice 22: rental housing.

[1:02:59] Voice 22: This is an incredible project.

[1:03:00] Voice 22: I think that every step of it has been thought through.

[1:03:04] Voice 22: People talk about, you know, that there may be some infrastructure spending, but this

[1:03:07] Voice 22: is basically free land.

[1:03:09] Voice 22: Where else are we going to find, you know, it's one or the other.

[1:03:13] Voice 22: We have to spend a little bit on preparing this area.

[1:03:16] Voice 22: These claims of how far it is from amenities and how far it is from, you know, hydro and telecommunications.

[1:03:26] Voice 22: You know, I lived on Georgia View Road.

[1:03:28] Voice 22: We had hydro.

[1:03:29] Voice 22: We had telecommunications.

[1:03:31] Voice 22: The location we're talking about is really not that far to plug that into that existing infrastructure.

[1:03:37] Voice 22: And just, yeah, strong support.

[1:03:39] Voice 22: I know that you've heard it all, but you need to know that there are many, many of us who feel strongly about this.

[1:03:43] Voice 22: and it's disappointing to me that a couple loud people are it just seems like taking this

[1:03:50] Voice 22: democratic process for their own ride so yeah

[1:03:53] Voice 6: so rami you're now starting to tread into that

[1:03:56] Voice 6: territory i've asked you not to so thank you very much um thank you for your comments though that

[1:04:02] Voice 6: you're in strong support thank you um and then we have uh laurie is that two words is that a first

[1:04:15] Voice 6: First and last name, Laura C.A., or is that one first name?

[1:04:18] Voice 6: Anyway, could you promote her, please?

[1:04:25] Voice 18: Those are two names, you bet, first and last.

[1:04:28] Voice 6: Thanks.

[1:04:28] Voice 6: I thought that's what Jane said when you first.

[1:04:32] Voice 6: Anyway, go ahead.

[1:04:33] Voice 18: You're one of a million people to trip over my name.

[1:04:36] Voice 18: I guess I have a, quickly, two things.

[1:04:38] Voice 18: One is to thank you folks, both the planners and the LTC members for, we know this is a

[1:04:44] Voice 18: Herculean task to move a major affordable housing project forward in any Islands Trust area.

[1:04:51] Voice 18: I have a question about conflict of interest. And if you, I don't know who is the arbiter

[1:04:59] Voice 18: of that. I know you'd be looking for legal opinions, but for example, anybody living

[1:05:05] Voice 18: Giving on sticks, Alison, would not be proffered as an expert regarding pro or anti issues.

[1:05:16] Voice 18: I'm just thinking about the Alberta resident firefighter who's being put forward as an expert on wildfire risk.

[1:05:24] Voice 18: And we have two fire chiefs on Galliano Island who I believe could give better informed.

[1:05:28] Voice 18: Well,

[1:05:29] Voice 6: so all of this, everybody writes and puts forward their time and some people tell us what their experience is and tell us what their thoughts are related to that.

[1:05:43] Voice 6: And it's always important for us to know what other considerations may be involved in relation to that.

[1:05:51] Voice 6: But certainly, just because you live on Styx Allison or you live in the north end of the island and are totally unaffected doesn't mean you can't express a point of view or try to bring information to bear in relation to this.

[1:06:06] Voice 6: It's a different issue if you are a decision maker.

[1:06:10] Voice 6: That was my

[1:06:11] Voice 18: question, Chair. It was if that would put you in crosshairs for conflict of interest if you were being considered as an expert or an informer in terms of the trust moving forward.

[1:06:25] Voice 18: worse um

[1:06:25] Voice 6: look we don't we don't make those decisions related to anyone other than ourselves

[1:06:31] Voice 6: in terms of our our bodies and our and our us and the apc are the ones that are caught by our

[1:06:39] Voice 6: conflict of interest guidelines um and we take into account all sorts of things related to

[1:06:48] Voice 6: to anybody else who makes submissions related to me.

[1:06:53] Voice 6: But there is nothing to stop, for example, a, I don't know,

[1:07:01] Voice 6: I'm giving, I'm speaking hypothetically,

[1:07:04] Voice 6: and please understand me to speak hypothetically right now,

[1:07:07] Voice 6: and I'm speaking to everybody, not just you, Miss C.A.

[1:07:10] Voice 6: I'm speaking to everybody that can hear,

[1:07:12] Voice 6: but there's nothing about hypothetically,

[1:07:16] Voice 6: there's nothing incorrect about if someone happens to be a neighbor,

[1:07:19] Voice 6: and says and you know what i'm also a registered biologist and i have a point of view about this

[1:07:25] Voice 6: i'm going to give you an example um i am a part of the what's called the gambier local trust area

[1:07:31] Voice 6: and we were putting riparian um uh right rules onto an island in the house i'll call that

[1:07:38] Voice 6: called um boyer island and it happened to be that there were two retired fish biologists on the

[1:07:46] Voice 6: the island who didn't agree with the biologist assessment that had been done and they came to

[1:07:51] Voice 6: us and spoke to us and even so even though they were in that area i found their their submissions

[1:07:58] Voice 6: quite compelling because they had certain so i hope that sort of gives you an example that we

[1:08:05] Voice 6: listen to those that we we are only the only issue of conflict of interest that we

[1:08:12] Voice 6: control or deal with is is the ones that's internal to the trust i.e for ourselves as a

[1:08:20] Voice 6: local trust committee and for the um apc and other bodies okay so does that help you that does thank

[1:08:29] Voice 18: you yes

[1:08:34] Voice 6: miss margason you wish to speak again i'm aware that by the way miss margason that

[1:08:42] Voice 6: I'm aware that the fellow who wrote of us about about fire is not the same fellow who was from

[1:08:49] Voice 6: Alberta who was the guy who wrote us about water if that's

[1:08:55] Voice 12: what you were if that's what you were

[1:08:56] Voice 6: going to if that's what you're going to clarify I I I'm we are aware of that I'm

[1:09:06] Voice 7: I'm sorry I didn't

[1:09:07] Voice 7: hear your your comment why

[1:09:10] Voice 6: don't you just go ahead rather than me guessing what it is you're going to

[1:09:13] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:09:16] Voice 7: Well, I just wasn't, I was a little bit confused about what the previous speaker was referring to. And I just wanted to clarify that I was in no way suggesting that the author of the letter I was referring to, who was commenting on his experience fighting woodland fires,

[1:09:39] Voice 7: and therefore his expertise in being able to make some kind of assessment

[1:09:45] Voice 7: as a property owner nearby regarding the high risk of the community forest.

[1:09:53] Voice 7: He was not putting himself forward as someone to conduct a wildfire hazard assessment

[1:10:01] Voice 7: and neither was I.

[1:10:02] Voice 7: I was only referring to the information that was in his letter

[1:10:05] Voice 7: and I'm not quite sure what the reference is to Alberta either.

[1:10:08] Voice 7: there i believe he lives on salt spring and owns property here so thank

[1:10:13] Voice 6: you that was my comment

[1:10:14] Voice 6: it was that i was aware that i think the speaker was getting confused there's an individual from

[1:10:20] Voice 6: alberta who wrote about water and wells um and that may be yes sorry i

[1:10:28] Voice 7: couldn't hear that part

[1:10:30] Voice 7: of your comment that's

[1:10:31] Voice 6: fine so thank you thank you for the clarifying that i did not understand

[1:10:35] Voice 6: to be putting Mr., I can't remember his name

[1:10:38] Voice 6: and I apologize for that, the individual as well.

[1:10:40] Voice 6: So I don't see any other hands.

[1:10:43] Voice 6: I appreciate all the comments and thank you.

[1:10:46] Voice 6: And again, I want to reiterate that we have received

[1:10:49] Voice 6: all of the submissions and the letters.

[1:10:53] Voice 6: And I want to also reiterate that of course,

[1:10:58] Voice 6: if we go forward further with this,

[1:11:03] Voice 6: because and I say that if because the LTC has not made a decision about what to do today

[1:11:08] Voice 6: there will be further opportunities for public comment including the most important one if we

[1:11:14] Voice 6: get that far is the public hearing so which is where you know everybody has an opportunity to

[1:11:20] Voice 6: speak and make a submission thank you very much for all your comments I'm going to close the town

[1:11:25] Voice 6: hall now and could you let Jane know that she can come back for a little while and then we'll

[1:11:31] Voice 6: ask her to leave again so as soon as uh we'll just maybe um we'll just wait for a moment and

[1:11:47] Voice 6: jane to come back these are these are those there she is hello trustee welcome welcome back

[1:12:18] Voice 6: so uh that's the town hall um we're now at the community information meeting which is number

[1:12:25] Voice 6: Number six, there is none.

[1:12:27] Voice 6: We have no public hearing today.

[1:12:28] Voice 6: We have minutes.

[1:12:30] Voice 6: So do we have any, with the minutes of the LTC

[1:12:35] Voice 6: or on pages four through 10 of the agenda package

[1:12:39] Voice 6: and my question for trustees, do you have any comments?

[1:12:42] Voice 6: Yes, Trustee Wolbertson.

[1:12:44] Voice 11: Just on page nine of the agenda package,

[1:12:47] Voice 11: the top of the page, it says a discussion was held

[1:12:50] Voice 11: about how the LTC expenses might be adjusted.

[1:12:53] Voice 11: and I believe it was the LTC budget.

[1:12:59] Voice 6: Oh, okay, I think you're right.

[1:13:01] Voice 6: I think you're correct.

[1:13:02] Voice 6: So we can

[1:13:03] Voice 6: make- It's not a big deal.

[1:13:05] Voice 6: Well, let's be accurate.

[1:13:06] Voice 6: So Carly, if you could make that as amendment.

[1:13:10] Voice 6: Anything else regarding the minutes?

[1:13:12] Voice 6: So I'll take the minutes adopted as amended.

[1:13:16] Voice 6: Thank you very much.

[1:13:19] Voice 6: You got that, I assume Carly,

[1:13:21] Voice 6: you'd tell me if you weren't clear

[1:13:23] Voice 6: on what we were talking about, so.

[1:13:24] Voice 6: So.

[1:13:24] Voice 6: I

[1:13:25] Voice 16: did, thanks, Chair.

[1:13:25] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:13:27] Voice 6: The next item on the agenda,

[1:13:29] Voice 6: there are no resolutions without,

[1:13:31] Voice 6: oh, there is a resolution without meeting.

[1:13:33] Voice 6: That's the directive policy checklist

[1:13:35] Voice 6: related to bylaw number 275.

[1:13:37] Voice 6: That's there for information.

[1:13:41] Voice 6: That motion was made and passed on February 17th.

[1:13:45] Voice 6: And then there's no APC minutes.

[1:13:47] Voice 6: And then we have the follow-up action list

[1:13:50] Voice 6: on page 12 to 13.

[1:13:56] Voice 6: So, and in fact, I just note that if you look at number four on page 13, you'll see that

[1:14:03] Voice 6: same item, Trustee Wolveson is there.

[1:14:07] Voice 6: But over to you, trustees, do you have any questions for or comments to the planner related

[1:14:13] Voice 6: to this matter, to the follow up action list?

[1:14:18] Voice 6: Seeing nothing.

[1:14:20] Voice 6: And I assume Planner Smith, do you have any comments you'd like to make or anything you'd

[1:14:23] Voice 6: like to bring to our attention?

[1:14:24] Voice 6: No,

[1:14:25] Planner: I was just that the CDF flyer is being bundled and will be sent soon.

[1:14:31] Planner: So that item is more or less complete and to all households on Galliano as requested by LTC.

[1:14:38] Voice 6: That's the Coastal Douglas fir.

[1:14:40] Planner: Sorry, the Coastal Douglas fir pamphlet, yes.

[1:14:45] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:14:49] Voice 6: Actually, don't.

[1:14:50] Voice 6: That's okay.

[1:14:51] Voice 6: So that's in the works from a motion from last year.

[1:14:55] Planner: Yeah, I might have archived it too soon before they bundled this up, but yes.

[1:15:01] Voice 11: It's 15.2 on the first page.

[1:15:06] Planner: Yes, thank you.

[1:15:07] Voice 11: Under December 7th.

[1:15:08] Voice 6: Oh, okay, I'm sorry.

[1:15:11] Planner: Yeah, and that will be wiped next time.

[1:15:18] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:15:19] Voice 6: Okay, anything else from the end of that?

[1:15:21] Voice 6: Otherwise, we'll just receive it for information.

[1:15:25] Voice 6: There are no delegations today, and we've had a lot of correspondence,

[1:15:29] Voice 6: but nothing separate from applications.

[1:15:34] Voice 6: So it's 1.46 and the next thing on our agenda

[1:15:38] Voice 6: is a meeting break on community update,

[1:15:43] Voice 6: which is where I turn it over to Trustee Wolverton

[1:15:47] Voice 6: to sort of engage.

[1:15:48] Voice 6: We'll take about 10 or 15 minutes up to you.

[1:15:53] Voice 6: We'll take a few minutes before we launch

[1:15:55] Voice 6: into the business on the agenda.

[1:15:56] Voice 6: And I think we've done this a couple of times where it's an opportunity for folks in the community to just sort of have a conversation about something that's not necessarily trust-related business, about things that are going on and how you're feeling about the pandemic and et cetera.

[1:16:14] Voice 6: So let's say we've got until 2 o'clock to do that before we come back in.

[1:16:20] Voice 6: So, Jane, do you want to start?

[1:16:23] Voice 11: Sure.

[1:16:24] Voice 11: Sure. I actually was thinking of, it might be interesting to ask people if they want to participate in what they think makes an Islander.

[1:16:35] Voice 11: And it has been said by some people that you become an Islander when the Island changes you more than you change the Island.

[1:16:47] Voice 11: So I don't know if that's a topic that is, you know, would engage people or anything also about the pandemic, anything, you know, the reason we sort of set aside this time is that usually when we have in-person meetings, there's the time when we have the break for people to connect and talk.

[1:17:05] Voice 11: So, if this interests you at all, please raise your hand.

[1:17:20] Voice 11: And it may be that it's not a topic for today.

[1:17:36] Voice 11: Well, I'd say it's not a topic for today.

[1:17:40] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:17:43] Voice 11: But maybe you and I could have a talk.

[1:17:45] Voice 6: There's somebody, Zaria.

[1:17:48] Voice 6: Zara?

[1:17:49] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:17:51] Voice 6: Carly, could you promote Zara?

[1:17:58] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:17:58] Voice 11: Okay you need to unmute your speaker.

[1:18:06] Voice 20: Sorry I want to say I think it's a great topic

[1:18:11] Voice 20: and I just think maybe a little bit more warning. Okay. I totally get it you know I used to bring

[1:18:18] Voice 20: in peat moss and stuff for my garden now I build garden beds out of rotting willow.

[1:18:26] Voice 20: yeah yeah you know i like it um so i support that but just maybe another day okay i think

[1:18:34] Voice 11: that's a good fair enough comment maybe maybe we'll try to um uh think ahead of time and have

[1:18:39] Voice 11: a have a topic actually on the agenda so that people can think about it it's a good suggestion

[1:18:43] Voice 11: thank you okay um why don't we move on then to the rest of the agenda we

[1:19:04] Voice 6: can um unfortunately

[1:19:06] Voice 6: that means you have to leave again. So why don't we do this? Yeah, you know what? We're going to

[1:19:16] Voice 6: go on and do that, and we'll take a break after this next section. I can bring you back in.

[1:19:24] Voice 6: Okay, so

[1:19:25] Voice 11: I'll leave again.

[1:19:26] Voice 6: So you can leave. Thank you very much. We'll be back in touch with you

[1:19:32] Voice 6: um when uh when it's right it's time thank you jane okay so we're now at uh we've been through

[1:19:45] Voice 6: uh we're at item 13.1 which is the giggers matter um we'll get now maybe planner smith because i

[1:19:54] Voice 6: said till two o'clock he may have stepped off so um we'll have to wait until he gets back and i

[1:20:01] Voice 6: I think RPM, Kojima as well.

[1:20:03] Voice 6: So let's do that.

[1:20:04] Voice 6: Let's, oh, there's Robert,

[1:20:06] Voice 6: but maybe that Brad has stepped down for a minute.

[1:20:10] Voice 6: So let's just do that.

[1:20:11] Voice 6: Let's take a brief break till two o'clock

[1:20:13] Voice 6: and we'll come back and start at two o'clock.

[1:20:15] Voice 12: Welcome back, everyone.

[1:29:27] Voice 6: I'm just waiting for the staff to come back

[1:29:29] Voice 6: and we'll get going in relation to the, there they are.

[1:29:35] Voice 6: Thank you very much.

[1:29:37] Voice 6: And Carly and Shayla, I assume you're ready.

[1:29:42] Voice 16: Yes. Ready. Thanks.

[1:29:43] Voice 6: Thanks, Carly. And Shayla's always, I saw her on mute briefly.

[1:29:48] Voice 6: So we're now at 12 point or 13.1 of the agenda, which is the Giggers application.

[1:30:00] Voice 6: which is at page uh starts at page 14 of the um agenda and there's a lengthy staff report

[1:30:08] Voice 6: covering with a number of attachments to it uh so what we're going to do is i know we have at least

[1:30:14] Voice 6: i assume uh calling doty will be is here on behalf of the applicant um what if we can promote

[1:30:25] Voice 6: her not sure i saw anybody else yeah planner smith that

[1:30:31] Planner: was my understanding it would be

[1:30:33] Planner: colleen and lisa gabriel i didn't

[1:30:36] Voice 6: see lisa but now i do

[1:30:38] Voice 6: thank you and

[1:30:39] Planner: jeff and jeff and jeff

[1:30:40] Planner: inver or inverarity sorry for botching your name jeff but uh he indicated he would be uh

[1:30:48] Planner: attending as well on behalf of the applicants but maybe he's not in the list

[1:30:52] Voice 6: uh yes there is a jeff

[1:30:54] Voice 6: in variety as well yeah thank you so could i so if you could promote all them and if i could ask

[1:31:00] Voice 6: them all to mute themselves for the time being um what we'll do is uh we'll have the staff

[1:31:07] Voice 6: application i'm sorry the report and the various components of it uh although we have read it and

[1:31:15] Voice 6: sort of and then we'll ask questions to the the staff to staff about the report and where we're

[1:31:23] Voice 6: at and what our options are um and then i'll turn to the applicant to make any comments that they

[1:31:31] Voice 6: wish to make related to the report um there may be a back and forth with the trustees and perhaps

[1:31:38] Voice 6: the planners if there's issues that arise that we need to talk about and then after we've done

[1:31:42] Voice 6: that then uh trustee rockefeller and i comprising the uh the local trust committee will decide to

[1:31:50] Voice 6: have a discussion and decide how to proceed from here um so i hope that's clear so we'll unmute you

[1:31:57] Voice 6: so get the so lead yes thank you to the applicants for keeping themselves muted for the time being

[1:32:02] Voice 6: so over to you planner smith for your report thank

[1:32:06] Planner: you chair rogers so as you recall in november

[1:32:10] Planner: staff presented draft bylaws 276 and 277 for ltc consideration with respect to

[1:32:19] Planner: application DLRZ 2019.1 which is the gigahertz application in the community forest

[1:32:24] Planner: and and since that time staff have been then working on a number of other pieces

[1:32:32] Planner: with respect to the application the housing agreement and a number of the outstanding

[1:32:38] Planner: information pieces that were with the applicant and so this staff report more or less brings all

[1:32:45] Planner: all of those are many of those outstanding pieces together

[1:32:48] Planner: and also presents content

[1:32:50] Planner: of the proposed housing agreement content

[1:32:54] Planner: for LTC consideration today with a staff recommendation

[1:33:00] Planner: that you either consider that content as is

[1:33:03] Planner: or with amendments and direct staff

[1:33:09] Planner: to move to the next step of moving to legal review.

[1:33:13] Planner: view and as you'll recall LTC has also passed a resolution with respect to entering a cost

[1:33:21] Planner: recovery agreement with the applicant so that's not included on the staff report today. So starting

[1:33:26] Planner: on page two of the staff report just to briefly summarize the CIM that was held on November 28th

[1:33:33] Planner: it was a well-attended CIM with approximately 53 members of the audience in attendance

[1:33:42] Planner: Staff presented a brief overview of the application and then the applicants, along with their professional hydrogeologists and their

[1:33:53] Planner: professional biologists presented on various aspects of their application. Summaries provided in the report from the minutes of the meeting.

[1:34:04] Planner: So moving on to the draft bylaws and the question around consistency with the OCP.

[1:34:10] Planner: So, in November, it was identified that additional work was required of staff to further analyze the OCP consistency.

[1:34:20] Planner: Generally, staff have concluded that, as a whole, the OCP would be viewed as generally consistent for a number of reasons indicated in the report.

[1:34:32] Planner: report and if LTC wants to speak to or have any questions with any of these sections as I walk

[1:34:39] Planner: through then I'll just walk through them briefly and then we can get into more discussion points

[1:34:43] Planner: if needed. But generally that staff concluded that it's generally consistent. There was a request of

[1:34:53] Planner: LTC to further investigate the approach taken with a similar rezoning application on Gabriola

[1:35:00] Planner: Island with respect to the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee. Staff reviewed the approach that's

[1:35:08] Planner: taken on Gabriola and given that staff largely conclude that that consistency test is met

[1:35:18] Planner: and that the definition on Galliano is consistent with the BC housing definition of affordable

[1:35:27] Planner: housing. Staff recommend no further changes with respect to that. With respect to the housing

[1:35:36] Planner: agreement, which is really the next phase of this rezoning application process, if LTC decides to

[1:35:44] Planner: move forward today with moving the contents along. And so in the staff report on page four, a couple

[1:35:51] Planner: diagrams that are taken from our housing agreement guide the island stress housing

[1:35:58] Planner: agreement guide are there and under this preliminary process we're really at this

[1:36:03] Planner: planner review LTC review step where the planner has reviewed the housing agreement has provided

[1:36:10] Planner: some comments back to the applicant and is now presenting the information for LTC review

[1:36:17] Planner: review and if LTC decides to move forward today then the next step is is also outlined on page

[1:36:23] Planner: four of that report where we would actually then start formally moving through the drafting of the

[1:36:29] Planner: housing agreement a template of which with a markup of changes has been provided by the applicant and

[1:36:35] Planner: comments back to them so there's work in the background on that so just to provide the LTC

[1:36:43] Planner: see some overarching understanding of the longer-term operation and maintenance of the

[1:36:54] Planner: project. Staff sought an operational overview, which is provided in the report. And then the

[1:37:01] Planner: following tables are very specific criteria relevant to the information or the different

[1:37:08] Planner: subject headers that are required in a housing agreement that were presented to

[1:37:13] Planner: to local trust committee in the November 2nd report

[1:37:16] Planner: and are also included in the housing agreement,

[1:37:21] Planner: which the template of which is included in the attachments.

[1:37:29] Planner: The ecological impact assessment report.

[1:37:33] Planner: So LTC requested ecological impact assessment report

[1:37:38] Planner: and staff reviewed that reports.

[1:37:40] Planner: Generally, the report concludes that the development proposes no significant ecological impact and that it's the site chosen within the seven and a half hectare portion that would minimize impact.

[1:37:57] Planner: And there's a number of recommendations that are provided in that report.

[1:38:01] Planner: Not only the siting recommendations that then the consultant in figure two here goes on then to describe how those siting recommendations are met.

[1:38:15] Planner: And there are also a number of recommendations in the report that LTC may consider as potential conditions in a covenant if they do decide to move forward with rezoning.

[1:38:28] Planner: staff reviewed those recommendations and generally they're they're well-founded

[1:38:34] Planner: and and moving on beyond that there was a request from the community to provide

[1:38:42] Planner: some level of traffic assessment obviously difficult to do with no

[1:38:46] Planner: actual traffic to analyze but I did try to provide some under better

[1:38:54] Planner: understanding for LTC of the number of Lots that are along Georgia view how

[1:38:59] Planner: many of those lots are occupied and as well as the lots where they're not actually fronting

[1:39:09] Planner: Georgia View but the rear lot lines are abutting the Georgia View extension. So there's a brief

[1:39:18] Planner: analysis there. Water management planning. The applicant has now submitted a draft water

[1:39:23] Planner: management plan. Staff have just received that. I haven't had an opportunity to take a detailed

[1:39:28] Planner: detailed look at that but in general it is consistent with the requirements I think that

[1:39:35] Planner: and the expectations it seeks not only it seeks water storage in three capacities one

[1:39:44] Planner: at least 25,000 liters for potable water storage and then a secondary system for the

[1:39:54] Planner: the irrigation to meet irrigation demands.

[1:39:58] Planner: So a non-potable source for irrigation

[1:40:00] Planner: for the exterior of the building.

[1:40:03] Planner: And I think the detailed design work

[1:40:07] Planner: would further clarify what that storage quantity

[1:40:11] Planner: would need to be.

[1:40:12] Planner: And then a third fire storage tank

[1:40:17] Planner: that would be separate and unique only to firefighting.

[1:40:23] Planner: So staff need some time to look at that report and to probably provide some feedback, but it is a professionally developed report and that will be presented to LTC at a future staff meeting, or sorry, a future LTC meeting.

[1:40:41] Planner: Septic analysis, the applicant is also working on the septic report. They've done more recent work there and that work is very shortly forthcoming.

[1:40:50] Planner: And so in terms of actual requirements with respect to reports, I would say that those two pieces, well, the draft finalizing the water management plan and then receiving that septic report are the two outstanding tasks in a sense that are with the applicants at this point.

[1:41:12] Planner: The engineering drawings, or sorry, fire risk, I'll speak to that when I get to referrals.

[1:41:20] Planner: But we heard about that in town hall, the engineering drawings have been updated so that now that now the the rendering of the development and the roadway completely aligned with the two hectare

[1:41:33] Planner: proposed new lot and that's in the attachments. You can see those drawings.

[1:41:41] Planner: It's staff's recommendation and we can speak to this, but I think I'll just go past that for now.

[1:41:49] Planner: you would be required to hold a public hearing. Staff would recommend that you also hold another

[1:41:55] Planner: CIM if you do decide to move forward with first reading and scheduling of a public hearing

[1:42:01] Planner: and that given the complexity and interest that it be separate from the public hearing.

[1:42:09] Planner: So staff have undertaken a number of referrals to these agencies. I would say that this is a

[1:42:16] Planner: much broader list than we would typically refer bylaws to and we did try to capture

[1:42:21] Planner: many of the agencies that would have concerns or potential concerns that have been raised such as

[1:42:29] Planner: connectivity hydro or internet so we have received referral responses back

[1:42:36] Planner: from bc housing from the galliano trail society both of those indicate support for the

[1:42:44] Planner: the proposed bylaws.

[1:42:46] Planner: I've had given the circling back to fire arrest,

[1:42:51] Planner: given the concerns of the community,

[1:42:54] Planner: I've had both direct conversations

[1:42:57] Planner: with the fire chief of the South Fire Hall,

[1:43:01] Planner: as well as we have the referral back from them.

[1:43:03] Planner: And they indicate no concerns with the proposal

[1:43:07] Planner: from a fire management perspective,

[1:43:10] Planner: perspective, other than requiring or suggesting that the condition for fire, for your storage

[1:43:21] Planner: tanks for fire protection be on site prior to construction so that you would have that to

[1:43:27] Planner: mitigate any risk during construction. And then we've had a few First Nation referrals as well

[1:43:38] Planner: that uh chair rogers alluded to and uh and i think we need to do a little bit more work uh they

[1:43:45] Planner: have flagged some uh potential um uh or are they yeah i don't want to get into too much detail

[1:43:53] Planner: until we have a conversation uh with our uh in-house uh staff person around those first

[1:44:00] Planner: nation issues and clarify uh what that response would be um and then the last thing i will speak

[1:44:07] Planner: to with respect to referrals is there was a referral response from the water branch of the

[1:44:17] Planner: FLNRO-RD, the provincial ministry, with respect to water licensing. And there is also subsequent to

[1:44:24] Planner: that been a technical memo that has been provided to LTC that summarizes the provincial

[1:44:33] Planner: uh technical analysis of the water license uh application and the province has indicated that

[1:44:42] Planner: they have no concerns with the volume of water being requested and the only uh uh condition or

[1:44:49] Planner: or or flag that they did raise is to ensure that best practice best practices are implemented

[1:44:55] Planner: implemented to minimize the risk of saltwater intrusion. And so that is obviously an important technical report to receive back from the provinces. The water question has been so key to this application. And so I think that is all that I want

[1:45:27] Planner: want to speak to with respect to the content of the report.

[1:45:32] Planner: So just the rationale for the recommendation.

[1:45:34] Planner: So a by-law covering by-law and administrative by-law

[1:45:38] Planner: is required as part of the housing agreement

[1:45:41] Planner: for local trust community to move forward.

[1:45:44] Planner: So staff does need direction to move that content forward

[1:45:47] Planner: in a by-law and the cost recovery agreement

[1:45:51] Planner: is already addressed.

[1:45:52] Planner: So that piece is in place and you have the content

[1:45:57] Planner: before you now to make your decision around whether to direct staff to move that forward

[1:46:03] Planner: to the next step. Another number of alternatives there for L2C to consider as well. And with that,

[1:46:11] Planner: I will pass it on or pass it back to you to Chair Rogers for any questions you may have. Thanks.

[1:46:18] Voice 6: Thanks. All right. Before we turn to the proponent or the applicant, I'll turn to

[1:46:23] Voice 6: trustee rockefeller and say do you have any questions for the planner related to the

[1:46:27] Voice 6: application yeah go ahead um

[1:46:29] Voice 15: i just know one of the last things the planner smith said so

[1:46:34] Voice 15: i was curious um you mentioned then the provincial water uh report that they suggested methods to

[1:46:43] Voice 15: mitigate saltwater intrusion was that

[1:46:44] Planner: best practice ensure the implementation of best practices

[1:46:48] Planner: is to minimize salt water intrusion and

[1:46:52] Voice 15: how does the with the ltc go about ensuring that so you

[1:46:56] Planner: could uh and uh mr cohort's report uh has recommendations around minimizing that so you

[1:47:04] Planner: could request uh just as when you are uh establishing covenant conditions for example

[1:47:10] Planner: the water storage requirements you could also and I'm not sure I'm not obviously

[1:47:18] Planner: fully understanding of what those best practices are and we can better understand them but

[1:47:25] Planner: we could capture those conditions in covenant and

[1:47:28] Voice 15: so we could maybe hold that discussion more

[1:47:31] Voice 15: around when we receive the water management plan yeah

[1:47:34] Planner: I think that's yep and we could

[1:47:37] Planner: couldn't uh so one of these so i literally just received the water management plan on friday and

[1:47:42] Planner: so one of my next steps is to vet that to william and to have an internal conversation uh with him

[1:47:47] Planner: and then um to identify any gaps in that report and uh that report does very much focus on the

[1:47:56] Planner: water storage aspect and it doesn't necessarily uh focus on the uh the well protection aspect and so

[1:48:04] Planner: uh perhaps that perhaps that there there's a bit more work there to have that uh water management

[1:48:11] Planner: plan but i really need to dig into that but yeah yeah

[1:48:14] Voice 15: no i just said but ultimately

[1:48:16] Planner: a covenant

[1:48:18] Planner: condition or covenant conditions yeah

[1:48:20] Voice 15: um and speaking on covenants that's um through the

[1:48:24] Voice 15: chair to planner smith i was just wondering so the site plans include like the original site

[1:48:29] Voice 15: plans included a 30 meter or maybe i could ask applicant um 30 meter perimeter buffer of

[1:48:34] Voice 15: vegetation and i was wondering is that going to be included in a potential covenant

[1:48:39] Voice 15: that buffer so

[1:48:42] Planner: the trustees could certainly request also that uh above a buffer of that

[1:48:48] Planner: so on this site plan on the original site plans there is a 30 meter buffer along the front edge

[1:48:54] Planner: of the property along Georgia View as well as on the back edge of the property there's not a 30

[1:49:02] Planner: meter buffer identified in that original drawing along the side edge but it's a bit moot because

[1:49:06] Planner: it's all forest behind there anyways so that 30 meter buffer along Georgia View if that is

[1:49:15] Planner: particularly important to ensure that you have some separation of the road from the development

[1:49:21] Planner: then LTC could request that but I mean it's built into their site plan but another yeah another

[1:49:28] Planner: check or balance would be to also ensure that it's enshrined in covenant okay

[1:49:33] Voice 15: and then I guess

[1:49:33] Voice 15: in regards to the biologist recommendations I guess if some of those stuck out as important

[1:49:40] Voice 15: those could also be included in the same covenant absolutely

[1:49:43] Voice 13: okay

[1:49:44] Voice 15: those are my questions thank you

[1:49:46] Voice 15: Thanks,

[1:49:48] Voice 6: Trustee Rockefeller. That actually covers off a few of my questions as well.

[1:49:52] Voice 6: I just wondered, I presume you have not yet started to develop any

[1:49:57] Voice 6: covenant related to this with the applicant as of yet. I don't know if you've discussed it with them

[1:50:02] Voice 6: about the potential for a covenant covering off environmental and perhaps water management issues.

[1:50:12] Voice 6: I would have, I see it in your report, the potential for it, but.

[1:50:18] Voice 6: I

[1:50:19] Planner: think the discussion of a covenant has been there all along and the understanding that most likely there will be a Section 219 covenant at the end, in particular for the water management features and

[1:50:31] Planner: And obviously, as we've been waiting for this ecological assessment report, I don't think it's a surprise that some of those conditions might land in Covenant as well.

[1:50:41] Planner: Yeah,

[1:50:42] Voice 6: and I could see both of those. I've had a quick look through the water management report, and it does focus on storage, which is interesting, but doesn't seem to focus on sort of lowering water demand in the unit.

[1:51:02] Voice 6: it but maybe that's contained in the in the operations plan that they have is is how they're

[1:51:08] Voice 6: going to keep people's demand down because that's going to be an important consideration going

[1:51:14] Voice 6: forward given that some of the numbers that i've seen but i mean it does cover off a lot of things

[1:51:19] Voice 6: including fire and um and storage and storage for potable and storage for irrigation and and all

[1:51:27] Voice 6: and things of that nature as well as a few other things so it's a that sounds like it's a work

[1:51:32] Voice 6: and progress i guess we can talk about when we get through uh the this this sort of question

[1:51:37] Voice 6: and answer period um the issue of of the um uh about whether we need a motion related to a section

[1:51:47] Voice 6: 219 covenant related to environmental and water features uh probably probably a good idea but

[1:51:54] Voice 6: uh we can address that when you get unless you want to talk about it now i

[1:51:58] Planner: just want to say and

[1:51:59] Planner: with respect to timing we really are just starting to move into that discussion around legalizing

[1:52:08] Planner: terms in covenant that have been part of the dialogue all along and the applicant is also

[1:52:13] Planner: aware that the cost recovery will include those costs as well so that the legal fees yeah because

[1:52:19] Voice 6: those processes because because the housing agreement ends up being secured by a covenant

[1:52:24] Voice 6: as well as bylaw, right?

[1:52:27] Voice 6: Yes, I see the RPM nodding.

[1:52:30] Voice 8: Yeah, the housing agreement is usually drafted

[1:52:32] Voice 8: as both a section 219 covenant and a housing agreement

[1:52:35] Voice 8: because certain elements of the housing agreement

[1:52:38] Voice 8: are more correctly part of a covenant.

[1:52:41] Voice 8: So then it just becomes a question of,

[1:52:43] Voice 8: do you want to have a second instrument

[1:52:46] Voice 8: to as in the form of a covenant to capture those things

[1:52:49] Voice 8: like buffering and water management provisions

[1:52:53] Voice 8: provisions or try and put them all into the same document yeah

[1:52:57] Voice 6: i'd be i i would think it would be

[1:53:00] Voice 6: a challenge to put them all in the same document given that the housing agreement is probably

[1:53:03] Voice 6: is secured by a bylaw as well probably which is defined specifically related so but but i you know

[1:53:11] Voice 6: i look for advice from both of from the staff about that i would envision them as being separate

[1:53:16] Voice 6: covenants yeah

[1:53:18] Voice 8: typically yeah i agree and typically what we do is ask the local trust

[1:53:21] Voice 8: committee for a resolution requesting the applicant provide a suitably worded section

[1:53:26] Voice 8: 219 covenant prior to final adoption and then you know doing the following restricting the following

[1:53:32] Voice 8: yeah

[1:53:32] Voice 6: so i have a question for both of you um while that you're on and it comes out of one of

[1:53:40] Voice 6: um and i'm sorry i've forgotten carmita's last name so it doesn't i i apologize for that i i

[1:53:46] Voice 6: I know I know it, but I can't remember it.

[1:53:49] Voice 6: She does point out that if you look at,

[1:53:54] Voice 6: and I'll go to page, the page in the package,

[1:53:59] Voice 6: and let me find it, about the, there it is.

[1:54:02] Voice 6: It's on page 17 at the top.

[1:54:09] Voice 6: So the Galeano OCP defines affordable housing

[1:54:12] Voice 6: as describes rental or own housing that can be acquired

[1:54:16] Voice 6: without exceeding 30% of the median gross income

[1:54:20] Voice 6: of low to moderate income families on Galliano,

[1:54:23] Voice 6: whereas the definition from BC Housing

[1:54:26] Voice 6: is related to individuals.

[1:54:30] Voice 6: And it talks about 30% of your income.

[1:54:36] Voice 6: And they define it that way,

[1:54:38] Voice 6: I'm guessing for their own purposes.

[1:54:41] Voice 6: And I wonder if that causes you any pause

[1:54:45] Voice 6: for consideration from a drafting of a bylaw drafting point of view that one of them defines

[1:54:53] Voice 6: it in terms of the median income on galliano where where the other one talks about talks about it as

[1:55:01] Voice 6: as the income um of the actual individual family which is the i'm guessing the way that the housing

[1:55:09] Voice 6: agreement and the and whatever agreements entered into with bc housing would be defined as

[1:55:16] Voice 6: you'll define it in terms of the individual's income but i don't know maybe i'm wrong i don't

[1:55:22] Voice 6: know how it's going to work yeah clara smith um

[1:55:24] Planner: so as i read it they both speak to household

[1:55:27] Planner: household so uh the galliano one captures household as a family and the bc housing one

[1:55:39] Planner: speaks more to a household and so i would say in terms of uh median gross income it's not directly

[1:55:48] Planner: comparable to gross income but it's the median is pretty close and uh the load of moderate families

[1:55:56] Planner: So, median gross income is drawn from the Canada stats data, and they don't have a specific separation for low to moderate income families.

[1:56:10] Planner: and so so

[1:56:11] Voice 6: let me get

[1:56:13] Voice 6: this so let me make sure i understand you do you read that that clause not be

[1:56:17] Voice 6: to not be referring to the generic sort of a general load of median income on galliano but

[1:56:25] Voice 6: rather to refer to the to the to the uh the gross income of the family that's applying

[1:56:33] Voice 6: line so that's

[1:56:34] Planner: the way you

[1:56:35] Voice 6: read that i

[1:56:36] Planner: read it as the canada the canada stats so the 2016 uh

[1:56:42] Planner: stats they have a separate uh area defined as galliano island and so they define median

[1:56:52] Planner: gross income in there something like 43 000 is the median gross income and so

[1:56:59] Planner: So it doesn't speak to low to moderate income families.

[1:57:05] Planner: It's just the same indicator.

[1:57:08] Voice 6: So, okay, I'll ask my question.

[1:57:10] Planner: I'm not

[1:57:10] Planner: sure if I got, yeah, ask your question again.

[1:57:12] Voice 6: Because you may have made it understand it.

[1:57:14] Voice 6: Do you interpret the section related to the Galliano OCP

[1:57:23] Voice 6: as referring to the gross income of the family who's applying

[1:57:29] Voice 6: multiplying or to the median gross income on galliano i mean that's a that's a that's a tough

[1:57:36] Voice 6: one median gross income of low to moderate income families so i mean so so my would be the median

[1:57:44] Voice 6: median income for the whole island or you can get the median income for i mean it would be

[1:57:49] Voice 6: impossible to measure though come for low to moderate people i mean that doesn't make any

[1:57:53] Voice 6: I

[1:57:53] Voice 8: think as in the OCP policy wording and that definition in the OCP, it's asking the LTC to turn its mind to who is being the target for this housing and that the target should be low to moderate income families on Galliana.

[1:58:15] Voice 8: And that the rent should not exceed 30% of that target group's median income.

[1:58:21] Voice 8: come

[1:58:22] Voice 6: right so if it said something like without exceeding 30 percent of load of the low to moderate

[1:58:29] Voice 6: income families on galliano who um who what yeah if it just said that anyway i'm trying to connect

[1:58:42] Voice 6: that to the to the bc housing one which clearly talks about it as an in terms of an individual

[1:58:48] Voice 6: it

[1:58:49] Voice 13: doesn't though it's household well okay

[1:58:53] Voice 6: housing definition is

[1:58:55] Voice 13: household yeah

[1:58:56] Voice 6: i understand i

[1:58:57] Voice 6: understand that brad but it's talking about the individual applicant where in the sense that it's

[1:59:03] Voice 6: a household that applies as opposed to the median income for the island which is how you'd end up

[1:59:10] Voice 6: defining who's low to moderate income but so i

[1:59:14] Planner: think i i see them if you i see them being the

[1:59:19] Planner: same thing myself is that the the first so looking at the staff report the galliano defines it as

[1:59:25] Planner: household income uh where you're not spending more than 30 percent of what your uh median

[1:59:34] Planner: household income is if you go to the second one the bc housing one it's when 30 percent of your

[1:59:40] Planner: income or less goes to your housing costs so that's

[1:59:42] Voice 6: what i was asking you you read the galeano

[1:59:45] Voice 6: ocp to refer to the individual or the family rather than to the median income for the island

[1:59:53] Planner: yeah i read it to being uh well whatever the 30 percent so whoever the median

[2:00:00] Planner: income of each family would be different so their rental threshold would be different i don't think

[2:00:04] Voice 6: families have median incomes i think groups of people have median income i just think it's very

[2:00:10] Voice 6: awkwardly worded um because i think it's referring to the medium i think that rpm is correct i think

[2:00:18] Voice 6: that the that it was intended to set up a target group which is the which is the um uh low low to

[2:00:26] Voice 6: moderate income families on Galliano and it's intended to make sure that that and it's it says

[2:00:33] Voice 6: that so you have that target group and you and it seems to say of that target group don't have

[2:00:40] Voice 6: rents more than 30 percent of the median of that group rather than the median of the family and

[2:00:47] Voice 6: and so it's a bit awkwardly worded and I and so that seems to be to be a little bit different

[2:00:54] Voice 6: than the bc housing one which is clearly aimed at the individual family's income um because median

[2:01:01] Voice 6: only makes sense if you have a group you have you have a middle you have a median you have all those

[2:01:06] Voice 6: statistical terms blah blah blah sorry i don't mean to be going on i don't mean to be diminishing

[2:01:11] Voice 6: this i'm just trying to get a sense of all of that and how you because i think that there was a

[2:01:17] Voice 6: there was a there was some correctness to what carmita said that the the the definitions well

[2:01:23] Voice 6: While I think they're aiming at the same thing, there is a distinction between them.

[2:01:30] Voice 6: And I just wanted to give you a chance to address that.

[2:01:33] Voice 8: The other thing to keep in mind is if you follow that link to the BC Housing site, you know, there's a whole range of definitions in that

[2:01:39] Voice 8: website.

[2:01:40] Voice 8: And this is just one definition that's sort of pulled

[2:01:44] Voice 8: out of that context.

[2:01:47] Voice 8: Like I was saying, I think the main thing for the LTC to turn its mind to, and it's considering if or not the application meets the OCP,

[2:01:53] Voice 8: is that the intent is to provide housing for low to moderate income families and um that

[2:02:02] Voice 8: those moderate income families shouldn't be paying rent exceeding 30 percent of their income

[2:02:08] Voice 8: correct

[2:02:09] Voice 6: i think that's the intent and i'm pretty sure that's what the housing agreement and the

[2:02:14] Voice 6: agreement with bc housing would end up saying

[2:02:16] Voice 14: um

[2:02:17] Voice 6: you get a group that's a that's in a certain

[2:02:20] Voice 6: income range and they're not supposed to pay more than 30 percent yeah

[2:02:24] Voice 8: because i because i think the

[2:02:26] Voice 8: intent is that um you know the housing shouldn't be for the top 10 percent of families on galliano

[2:02:32] Voice 8: correct

[2:02:32] Voice 6: so let me ask you one more question i've read the housing agreement i i frankly unless i

[2:02:39] Voice 6: missed it uh and maybe you haven't had a chance to go through it in detail i didn't see anything

[2:02:44] Voice 6: Anything in the housing agreement that restricted the number of market rental places in to 30%?

[2:02:58] Voice 6: Was there something in there related to that?

[2:03:00] Voice 6: That

[2:03:01] Voice 8: was my reading as well.

[2:03:04] Voice 8: I just looked at it, started looking at it this morning, though, in detail, so I might have missed it.

[2:03:08] Voice 8: But my reading of that as drafted is that there is no restriction on the market.

[2:03:14] Voice 8: rental housing in the housing agreement currently in terms of

[2:03:18] Voice 8: a proportion of the units

[2:03:19] Voice 8: it

[2:03:20] Planner: does it does speak to as set by a housing funder and that's how they make that linkage

[2:03:26] Planner: yeah so so it it it doesn't directly speak to it and it could it links back to

[2:03:34] Planner: the definition of an approved funder and that being a bc housing whose formula would then be

[2:03:42] Planner: but uh it could be more explicit certainly right

[2:03:45] Voice 6: okay well we can come back to what we might want

[2:03:48] Voice 6: to do in terms of the housing agreement and i appreciate that that is in its early stages

[2:03:54] Voice 6: you've got a draft there and i think this is the draft that was developed by the applicant is that

[2:04:00] Voice 6: correct okay so we've got a draft there and now you it has to go for legal review and and you have

[2:04:07] Voice 6: have to put your input in and there's a draft bylaw which basically just adopts okay so sorry

[2:04:15] Voice 6: trustee rockefeller i've asked a lot of questions you got a question for the stuff

[2:04:18] Voice 15: well it was kind

[2:04:19] Voice 15: of a question to what you were saying i hadn't really caught the um subtleties in those two

[2:04:25] Voice 15: definitions between bc and i appreciate that you noticed it so i and because i didn't i don't know

[2:04:31] Voice 15: if i really um saw then in the in the reports then does this application somehow require that

[2:04:40] Voice 15: it is the medium median income for low to moderate families in galliano or is it or is it of like be

[2:04:50] Voice 15: more to bc house tailored to bc housing's definition which is 30 of gross income which

[2:04:56] Voice 15: which is not probably the same as the low to moderate income of Galliano.

[2:05:02] Voice 12: Yeah, I understand.

[2:05:04] Planner: So the BC housing formula,

[2:05:06] Planner: it requires that 20% are low subsidy or high subsidy.

[2:05:12] Planner: Deep subsidy.

[2:05:14] Voice 13: Deep subsidy.

[2:05:15] Planner: And then the other 40% that are considered affordable are RGI.

[2:05:22] Planner: So they're rent geared to income.

[2:05:24] Planner: income. So each family will be paying a different rent based on their income. And that wouldn't

[2:05:28] Planner: exceed 30% of their gross.

[2:05:34] Voice 6: I think that's 50% actually.

[2:05:39] Planner: Yes, 50%. Yeah.

[2:05:41] Voice 6: Yeah, trustee Rockhorn.

[2:05:44] Voice 15: Okay, so the market value is different. That's actually just the straight across rent. So the

[2:05:51] Voice 15: The affordable rent is 50%.

[2:05:53] Planner: Trev, I'm in a meeting.

[2:05:55] Planner: Sorry, my son's busting in here.

[2:05:59] Planner: Sorry.

[2:06:00] Voice 6: Yeah, 20% deep subsidy.

[2:06:03] Voice 15: Yeah.

[2:06:04] Voice 6: 50% affordable market,

[2:06:06] Voice 6: affordable geared to income rent

[2:06:09] Voice 6: and 20%, 30%, sorry, 30% market rental.

[2:06:14] Voice 15: Right.

[2:06:15] Voice 15: And so the RGI is geared to anybody's income.

[2:06:19] Voice 6: No.

[2:06:20] Voice 6: Or

[2:06:20] Voice 15: does it have to be a certain income?

[2:06:22] Voice 6: yeah i believe so

[2:06:23] Voice 15: that's the only question i had stemming i

[2:06:26] Voice 6: think that that's where it ties back

[2:06:27] Voice 6: into the low to moderate income folk right

[2:06:30] Voice 15: and i just wanted to ensure it was tied back into the

[2:06:32] Voice 15: low to moderate income not that we had because we had some like super rich people that wanted

[2:06:37] Voice 6: housing

[2:06:38] Voice 15: and they paid you're

[2:06:39] Voice 6: not going to get in there if you've got a two hundred thousand

[2:06:41] Voice 6: dollar year not in that area not in that grouping anyway

[2:06:46] Voice 15: yeah sorry to be confused i appreciate no

[2:06:49] Voice 6: No, no, it's okay, it's a bit that those two definitions

[2:06:52] Voice 6: are a bit confusing.

[2:06:55] Voice 6: Anyway, let me, we'll come back to our own discussion

[2:07:00] Voice 6: around this, but I wanted to turn to the applicant

[2:07:02] Voice 6: if that's okay with everybody.

[2:07:04] Voice 6: And I see Colleen Doty and I know Lisa's here

[2:07:07] Voice 6: and I'm not sure I've met Mr. Inverardy,

[2:07:10] Voice 6: I'm not sure if he's going to be speaking.

[2:07:14] Voice 6: So over to you to comment on the, and thank you,

[2:07:17] Voice 6: we've got your letter today so we read that and and we have your i think there was a letter earlier

[2:07:24] Voice 6: last week as well we've seen that um so over to you as to your comments on the staff report and

[2:07:32] Voice 6: anything else you'd like to bring to our attention hi lisa

[2:07:41] Voice 12: hi

[2:07:42] Voice 9: um i prepared a little statement here

[2:07:44] Voice 9: i like the readout um uh thank you chair rogers and trustee rockefeller planners kojima and smith

[2:07:52] Voice 9: Girgis recognizes the hard work and the efforts that you've put into our application.

[2:07:57] Voice 9: In terms of next steps for us, we believe that you have the power and the capacity today

[2:08:04] Voice 9: to give first and second reading to bylaws 276 and 277 and schedule a public hearing.

[2:08:11] Voice 9: We've made progress last year, reached many milestones, we have the ecological study,

[2:08:18] Voice 9: the draft housing agreement, updated road plan,

[2:08:21] Voice 9: operations overview, fire smart design.

[2:08:25] Voice 9: We're working on finalizing our water management plan

[2:08:28] Voice 9: and our septic plan.

[2:08:30] Voice 9: We've had positive referrals back

[2:08:32] Voice 9: from the Boston First Nations, BC Housing,

[2:08:37] Voice 9: Vancouver Island Health and the Water Licensing Branch.

[2:08:42] Voice 9: We're requesting this deliberation today to aid Galliano

[2:08:44] Voice 9: and attacking this critical issue.

[2:08:47] Voice 9: Asking for this consideration isn't about criticizing the LTC or its process, giving us first and second reading and scheduling a public hearing will send a powerful message to funders that are out there.

[2:09:02] Voice 9: Not just BC Housing, but CMHC, Federation of Canadian Municipalities, CRD, private funders.

[2:09:10] Voice 9: There's also political will and desire to move portable housing applications forward.

[2:09:16] Voice 9: forward. The government of Canada and the province of BC are making investments, considerable

[2:09:21] Voice 9: investments into launching new initiatives to build more affordable housing. This initiative

[2:09:28] Voice 9: is about a very particular human rights issue and it's about providing relief in this crisis.

[2:09:35] Voice 9: It's been a really cold winter and there are many in our community living in substandard

[2:09:40] Voice 9: housing and there are many more cold winters ahead until we build something even if we achieve

[2:09:47] Voice 9: what we set out here to do today. That is why Giggers is urging the LTC to give first and second

[2:09:55] Voice 9: reading and schedule a public hearing today. Thank you. I believe Colleen has something she'd like

[2:10:01] Voice 9: that.

[2:10:03] Voice 21: Thanks Lisa. I wanted to address a few points that came up with respect to budgeting

[2:10:09] Voice 21: and questions around our financials have a few points to make about that one of them is that

[2:10:17] Voice 21: first of all our financials are not a requirement of this rezoning other applicants private

[2:10:26] Voice 21: developers they're not required to provide their budgets and disclose their financials

[2:10:32] Voice 21: And if our Affordable Rental Housing Society were required to, then it might belie a double standard that's being applied because we are an affordable housing provider.

[2:10:45] Voice 21: The other point I wanted to make about budgeting is that our society has been working for three years on making sure that this is a viable project.

[2:10:55] Voice 21: We have had input from BC Housing.

[2:10:57] Voice 21: We've had several calls and consultations with them.

[2:11:00] Voice 21: They are aware of our budget numbers.

[2:11:02] Voice 21: and just earlier this year we hired a development consultant we're working with wiser projects

[2:11:09] Voice 21: who has extensive experience delivering secure affordable rental housing projects across the

[2:11:16] Voice 21: province so we are working at making sure that this is viable and we are confident the society

[2:11:24] Voice 21: is confident in its budget numbers and we're also confident that this project is worth it

[2:11:29] Voice 21: With respect to questions around the OCP and BC Housing definitions of affordability and gross income, I also would like to point out that when it comes time to have an operating agreement with BC Housing,

[2:11:48] Voice 21: The housing provider and BC Housing work together to define and kind of right size fit the terms and the rent levels for the particular rural community.

[2:12:04] Voice 21: So, in our case, we would be working closely with BC Housing to ensure that the rent levels that are set are actually going to be attainable and are appropriate for the different rent structures that BC Housing defines.

[2:12:21] Voice 21: So, I think I'm going to leave it there for now. I don't know if Jeff has anything he'd like to add.

[2:12:28] Voice 9: No, not at the moment.

[2:12:29] Voice 9: it

[2:12:35] Voice 6: sorry um uh if i could just ask just for my information i don't know um mr invariati

[2:12:41] Voice 6: what role does he play in your organization just for future reference

[2:12:46] Voice 21: jeff is one of our directors okay okay

[2:12:49] Voice 6: thanks very much um i i did say i would ask the question

[2:12:54] Voice 6: and i i actually do think just as from a timing point of view it's um uh it's it's it useful

[2:13:01] Voice 6: information for us to know whether you have filed a funding application with BC

[2:13:06] Voice 6: Housing not

[2:13:09] Voice 9: at the moment thank

[2:13:12] Voice 6: you trustee Rockefeller do you have any

[2:13:18] Voice 6: questions for the for the applicant at this thing okay thank you and and I want

[2:13:28] Voice 6: to just acknowledge that yes that we've received you know we're continuing to

[2:13:33] Voice 6: to receive reports, I think that in fact the,

[2:13:40] Voice 6: I think I got an email about an hour and 10 minutes ago

[2:13:45] Voice 6: that the fire department, for example,

[2:13:47] Voice 6: has sent in their referral response.

[2:13:51] Voice 6: So they're coming in on a regular basis.

[2:13:56] Voice 6: We saw the water management plan,

[2:13:58] Voice 6: we now have the reply from Flynn Road.

[2:14:00] Voice 6: And those things aren't necessarily in the package,

[2:14:03] Voice 6: but things are continuing to come in. And I'm aware of that. I'm not sure I have any questions

[2:14:15] Voice 6: for you, because you've made your thoughts and your point of view pretty clear, and you've

[2:14:20] Voice 6: commented on the report. So unless you have anything further, we're probably going to go

[2:14:25] Voice 6: to talk to the staff at this point about what we do now. And I have a few things I want to say as

[2:14:34] Voice 6: well in general about where we're at in the process so that because we've gotten a lot of

[2:14:39] Voice 6: information so um if that's okay if there's nothing further maybe what we'll do is we'll

[2:14:44] Voice 6: just ask you to mute yourself and we'll we'll go back to the staff um so uh trustee rockefeller

[2:14:52] Voice 6: perhaps you can unmute yourself because we have to talk about what we'd like to do now

[2:14:59] Voice 6: now, would you mind if I, I know I talk a lot, but do you mind if I say a few things in general

[2:15:06] Voice 6: about where we're at in the process? Uh, and what I'm thinking about just sort of generally about

[2:15:12] Voice 6: some of the frustrations we've read, because we've received a lot of correspondence and, um, I, I,

[2:15:19] Voice 6: I don't, and I, and I know that you and I both read all of it and, and it, and it, and it's

[2:15:24] Voice 6: perfectly fine to get all that correspondence. We've got both from the, from the people who

[2:15:28] Voice 6: who are concerned about the project

[2:15:29] Voice 6: and those that are the proponents.

[2:15:31] Voice 6: And I have a couple of things to say.

[2:15:34] Voice 6: And then I thought we'd talk about what we do now.

[2:15:38] Voice 6: So I just wanted to say, and this is my view,

[2:15:42] Voice 6: I'm not speaking for Trustee Rappaport,

[2:15:45] Voice 6: she can have her own view.

[2:15:47] Voice 6: My view is that where we're at in the process

[2:15:49] Voice 6: is we're sort of information gathering

[2:15:55] Voice 6: and trying to decide on a going forward

[2:15:58] Voice 6: basis whether there are any stopping places. This is an application by the applicant. It's not a

[2:16:07] Voice 6: local trust committee project. It's an application by the applicant. And so we are always faced with

[2:16:16] Voice 6: this scenario of what do we need to know more of? And what do we need? And are there anything

[2:16:24] Voice 6: anything that sort of indicates that you know what there's a stopping place here and there's

[2:16:31] Voice 6: and we don't see a way forward and to date we haven't made any decisions today but today we

[2:16:38] Voice 6: haven't decided that there's a stopping place and we have made a number of requests for further

[2:16:43] Voice 6: information and the and the applicant has set a number provided us with a lot of information

[2:16:50] Voice 6: information so that's one thing i wanted to say so that's that's the stage we're at we're going

[2:16:56] Voice 6: to be if this keeps going forward while there is still some information gathering going on

[2:17:01] Voice 6: we're now sort of moving into what i will call the regulatory process the legal process where

[2:17:07] Voice 6: we develop the bylaws and the and the regulation which will make this legally possible to do what

[2:17:13] Voice 6: they're doing um affordable housing projects don't happen without um without a number of

[2:17:19] Voice 6: things one is funding one is land uh and the third thing is is regulatory approval and we only

[2:17:26] Voice 6: control one of those two things three things i just named three and said two but we only control

[2:17:33] Voice 6: one of those three things um which is the regulatory process however the number of those

[2:17:38] Voice 6: things impact upon whether we're going to make whether we're going to allow the project to

[2:17:48] Voice 6: proceed and the application goes forward. So there's a lot of things that go into our

[2:17:52] Voice 6: consideration. Something else

[2:17:55] Voice 12: I wanted to

[2:17:55] Voice 6: say at this stage of the game, although it's maybe a

[2:17:59] Voice 6: little early, is I think it's important always to remember that one project like this is not going

[2:18:09] Voice 6: to solve the affordable housing project issue on Galeano. We often hear people say, oh, find

[2:18:18] Voice 6: find a better location for this project.

[2:18:23] Voice 6: And as if this one project is sort of the be all,

[2:18:27] Voice 6: the end all, if we find the perfect location for it,

[2:18:30] Voice 6: then this problem will be solved.

[2:18:33] Voice 6: I've forgotten the actual numbers

[2:18:35] Voice 6: from the housing needs assessment

[2:18:37] Voice 6: that was done for Galliano,

[2:18:39] Voice 6: but I'm pretty sure it's more than 12 units.

[2:18:41] Voice 15: It was a minimum of

[2:18:43] Voice 15: 70, yeah.

[2:18:44] Voice 6: Yeah, so it's right.

[2:18:45] Voice 6: But it's multiples of the number that are being proposed here.

[2:18:50] Voice 6: So, you know, my approach on this is not, is there a more perfect place?

[2:18:58] Voice 6: My approach on this application is, does this application meet the standards that we need to set?

[2:19:05] Voice 6: And does it meet our criteria?

[2:19:07] Voice 6: And is it something that we should approve?

[2:19:09] Voice 6: through. Because I'm hopeful, and I've heard sort of rumblings that there are other applications

[2:19:17] Voice 6: possible that may work. And I just want to say two other things. And I'm sorry to be so long,

[2:19:26] Voice 6: but I think it's important for this to be set into context. And I've been thinking about this. I was

[2:19:30] Voice 6: thinking about it all night, actually. I didn't sleep much last night because I've been thinking

[2:19:35] Voice 6: about this application because I hear the frustrations both from the applicant and

[2:19:41] Voice 6: from those that are have concerns about the application. So to the applicant I just say

[2:19:49] Voice 6: who says you ask us to do too much and your process is too bureaucratic and it slows us

[2:19:55] Voice 6: down and we can't get moving and traction. I ask you to remember what the object of the trust is

[2:20:02] Voice 6: and that we have a um a legislated obligation not just to the people of uh galliano but we

[2:20:12] Voice 6: actually have a separate obligation to the environment which no other local government

[2:20:17] Voice 6: has and that that's part of our responsibility to do and that's part of our object and it's not

[2:20:24] Voice 6: that that i have a strong view about about that we have an obligation to the community

[2:20:28] Voice 6: but we also have an obligation to the environment not that other local governments don't also take

[2:20:34] Voice 6: it in but we have a legislative responsibility and so as as often said uh that you have to be

[2:20:41] Voice 6: more careful with an island uh we are we are careful about how we we do things that increase

[2:20:48] Voice 6: density and potentially uh increase the uh the complexity of a matter and it may i'm sure it's

[2:20:57] Voice 6: frustrating for the applicant, but that's part of our legislative responsibility at our trust

[2:21:04] Voice 6: policy statement. For those that think that we aren't requiring enough, I ask you to think about

[2:21:13] Voice 6: what this really is, is a proposal to create homes for a bunch of individuals, for a group of

[2:21:19] Voice 6: individuals and 12 homes. And think about if we imposed even half of the conditions on a homeowner

[2:21:31] Voice 6: to create a home for themselves that we're imposing on this applicant and indeed any

[2:21:38] Voice 6: applicant for this kind of density. There are a lot of things that we've asked for

[2:21:49] Voice 6: and most of those would not be required for an individual WANDA to create a home

[2:21:56] Voice 6: and to create their home some of them might but most of them would not and so you know you're

[2:22:03] Voice 6: basically as you as you ask for as as you ask us and we take every request into consideration

[2:22:10] Voice 6: including the ones that were made today and the ones that have been made in writing for a fire

[2:22:14] Voice 6: assessment and a and a study on the road and all those things there's a bunch of things that

[2:22:20] Voice 6: that have been asked for sort of recently not you know those would not be required for the

[2:22:28] Voice 6: individual landowner of 12 properties that would take up with a similar amount of space or a smaller

[2:22:35] Voice 6: so it's you know it's about it's a it's a complicated balancing act that we do as we go

[2:22:42] Voice 6: go forward. And I ask you to keep that in mind as you ask us in one hand to ask for more in terms

[2:22:50] Voice 6: of information, and on the other hand, asking us to move the process more quickly. So anyway,

[2:22:55] Voice 6: that's some of the thoughts that I've been having as I look at what we do now, where we're at. I

[2:23:02] Voice 6: think there's still some stuff that hasn't crystallized yet around this application.

[2:23:08] Voice 6: but I think there's some things that we can do today so those are I'm sorry to talk so long

[2:23:12] Voice 6: over to you trustee Rockefeller do you have some thoughts about where we go from here

[2:23:18] Voice 15: um well you pretty much encapsulated everything I wish I could have thought of saying

[2:23:23] Voice 15: so I really appreciate you yeah you just you grabbed it all there um the the one thing I

[2:23:31] Voice 15: want to add possibly was just in regards to the ocp policy and the consistency when i read the ocp

[2:23:38] Voice 15: the intention is to create affordable housing on the island and that is what this project is doing

[2:23:45] Voice 15: um there's like very you know specific words that aren't exactly in consistent but because it's

[2:23:55] Voice 15: being shaped by bc housing's formula requirements i appreciate that it's achieving the overall

[2:24:00] Voice 15: effect of the OCP and what our community desires so I appreciate that part so

[2:24:08] Voice 6: I have a couple of

[2:24:10] Voice 6: things on my list of things that I'd like to do one of which both you and I have talked about so

[2:24:20] Voice 6: far which is the the concept of a section 219 covenant separate and apart from the housing

[2:24:26] Voice 6: agreement um and i sort of you know i've heard you talk about the environmental pieces the the um

[2:24:35] Voice 6: the water management pieces those are the

[2:24:38] Voice 6: two that sort of spring and and the buffer i think

[2:24:41] Voice 6: you talked about

[2:24:41] Voice 14: so

[2:24:42] Voice 6: um i and i i i think uh the rpm's here but i think he suggested or perhaps

[2:24:50] Voice 6: the planner did that we could pass a motion or propose a motion to to ask staff to uh create

[2:24:57] Voice 6: or draft a uh section 219 um covenant that captures those things and it is and i i think

[2:25:07] Voice 6: that's i think that's an appropriate step um i don't think i have all the answers around

[2:25:14] Voice 6: around affordable housing, but I'm in,

[2:25:16] Voice 6: is the chair of the affordable housing on Gabriola,

[2:25:19] Voice 6: and I'm also managing the affordable housing

[2:25:21] Voice 6: one on proposal of Maine.

[2:25:23] Voice 6: And on Maine, they're going the covenant route on Gabriola.

[2:25:27] Voice 6: They put a development permit area in instead.

[2:25:31] Voice 6: It's just a different approach,

[2:25:32] Voice 6: but I think there should be,

[2:25:34] Voice 6: I am of the view that there should be a covenant

[2:25:37] Voice 6: that ensures that when the development occurs,

[2:25:41] Voice 6: occurs, certain things are, are done. I don't, do you agree with that?

[2:25:48] Voice 15: Yeah, I agree with that.

[2:25:50] Voice 6: Okay. So should I, should I try some wording?

[2:25:59] Voice 15: Yeah, I could just, the, the things that I was

[2:26:00] Voice 15: thinking of including would just be the biologist's recommendations and the buffer, and then perhaps

[2:26:08] Voice 15: Alcohut's recommendations, because I believe that's where the saltwater intrusion mitigations

[2:26:14] Voice 15: were maybe uh captured um

[2:26:18] Voice 6: i don't actually remember

[2:26:22] Voice 6: maybe maybe it was there i'm not sure you

[2:26:25] Planner: you could tie it if it's if you're seeking

[2:26:27] Planner: resolution you could tie it to the the recommendation and the provincial technical

[2:26:32] Planner: report for now oh

[2:26:33] Voice 15: that's where it was sorry different report so

[2:26:36] Voice 6: what if we did a motion

[2:26:37] Voice 6: that said we asked staff to develop a section 219 covenant

[2:26:45] Voice 6: to cover off the recommendations from the biologists,

[2:26:53] Voice 6: is it called an environmental report,

[2:26:55] Voice 6: environmental assessment?

[2:26:56] Voice 15: Assessment report.

[2:26:57] Voice 6: And then comma, the water management plan

[2:27:04] Voice 6: and the buffer zone

[2:27:08] Voice 6: proposed 30 meter buffer zone and and what was it what did you say the that

[2:27:17] Voice 15: was maybe in the

[2:27:22] Voice 15: provincial planner Smith might have named the document it was in the provincial recommendations

[2:27:33] Planner: provincial technical memo okay

[2:27:37] Voice 6: and the saltwater intrusion issue identified in the salt in the

[2:27:41] Voice 6: the provincial technical memo is that sort of cover it i mean you're going to go away and draft

[2:27:48] Voice 6: the covenant and come back to us but this gives you the direction yeah sorry planner sir rpm

[2:27:55] Voice 6: one

[2:27:56] Voice 8: of the things the trust committee might want to consider is attaching um the site plan and

[2:28:01] Voice 8: elevation drawings as well if that's important to the local trust committee

[2:28:05] Voice 6: um the site plan would

[2:28:08] Voice 6: be i'm not sure i'm not sure i understand elevation drawings but just

[2:28:12] Voice 8: the side view

[2:28:13] Voice 8: the general appearance of what the what the buildings would look like sure

[2:28:17] Voice 6: what do you think

[2:28:19] Voice 6: there yes

[2:28:20] Voice 15: i think okay

[2:28:22] Voice 6: so if we can make that list also uh carly include the the site and the

[2:28:28] Voice 6: site plan and elevation drawings thank you so carly did you get that list uh

[2:28:36] Voice 16: i did do you want

[2:28:37] Voice 16: me to reread it to you

[2:28:37] Voice 6: yes please oh

[2:28:39] Voice 16: we've got it okay that the galliano island local trust

[2:28:42] Voice 16: trust committee direct staff to draft a section 219 covenant to cover off the recommendations

[2:28:47] Voice 16: from the biologists environmental environment assessment report the water management plan

[2:28:53] Voice 16: and the proposed 30 meter buffer zone and the saltwater intrusion issue identified in the

[2:28:59] Voice 16: provincial technical memo with an attached site plan and elevation drawings i'm

[2:29:06] Voice 6: good with that

[2:29:07] Voice 6: are you yeah

[2:29:08] Voice 15: maybe instead of saying issue after saltwater be saltwater mitigation or

[2:29:15] Planner: you could

[2:29:16] Planner: there are there are recommendations of cohort as well you could make that more broad uh

[2:29:22] Planner: that considers the recommendations of the hydrogeologist and the provincial technical

[2:29:30] Planner: report because uh mr cohort also speaks to uh well monitoring if ltc wants to turn your

[2:29:38] Planner: mind to that for example well

[2:29:42] Voice 6: okay yeah we're getting a little

[2:29:44] Planner: convoluted here but well i just

[2:29:46] Voice 6: wonder if you're building that into the motion or is that a separate suggestion i'm saying that

[2:29:52] Planner: you may also want to include recommendations of the so my quick review of the water management

[2:30:00] Planner: plan is it only includes the water storage parts it doesn't yet include the other parts

[2:30:04] Planner: the parts around well monitoring and well protection okay

[2:30:10] Voice 6: so let's go back to carly

[2:30:12] Voice 6: could you read that again please sure

[2:30:15] Voice 16: we've got that the galleon island local trust committee

[2:30:18] Voice 16: directs staff to draft a section 219 covenant to cover off the recommendations from the biologists

[2:30:24] Voice 16: environmental assessment report what we have is the water management plan and the proposed 30 meter

[2:30:30] Voice 16: buffer zone and the saltwater intrusion issue identified in the provincial technical memo

[2:30:36] Voice 16: with an attached site plan and elevation drawings so

[2:30:39] Voice 6: maybe um um do you want me to

[2:30:44] Voice 16: read it with uh what planner smith said instead of the water management plan um

[2:30:50] Voice 6: i i don't i think

[2:30:51] Voice 6: the water management plan is important but it's i think he's actually adding it he's suggesting

[2:30:57] Voice 6: we also consider including the well monitoring or the recommendation or

[2:31:03] Voice 15: maybe the recommendation

[2:31:04] Voice 15: recommendations and then once we see it we can the whole I

[2:31:08] Planner: have one here for you in my follow-up

[2:31:10] Planner: action list Carly can I read it out direct staff to draft a section 219 covenant that considers

[2:31:21] Planner: recommendations of ecological assessment a 30 meter tree buffer in site plan water management

[2:31:30] Planner: management plan hydro geological assessment recommendations inclusion of a site plan and

[2:31:39] Planner: elevation drawings and there's a comma in between inclusion and uh the word before it so it's a

[2:31:50] Planner: separate

[2:31:50] Voice 15: did we want to include the provincial i

[2:31:53] Planner: think the hydro geological assessment recommendations

[2:31:56] Planner: could capture that but you

[2:31:57] Voice 15: could be explicit in that no i just wanted to double check out

[2:32:00] Voice 15: And

[2:32:00] Planner: then that would capture all the assessments you've received, which is that and the two reports from Waterline and Cohut.

[2:32:16] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm just waiting for Carly to indicate that she may have got that, or if you could email it to her, that would be good.

[2:32:23] Voice 16: Yes, please send it to me, Planner Smith.

[2:32:25] Planner: Okay.

[2:32:28] Voice 5: But I'm content to move what Planner Smith said.

[2:32:33] Voice 15: Yeah, I will second that.

[2:32:37] Voice 6: and as long as as long as Carly has it to include in the minutes that would be good

[2:32:42] Voice 6: do

[2:32:43] Planner: you want me to read it yeah I'll just send it to Carly right now

[2:32:46] Voice 6: no that's fine I understood

[2:32:47] Voice 6: what you said yep great so I'll move uh I'll move the that motion and second it is there any further

[2:32:53] Voice 6: discussion related to 319 no all in favor so that passes um so I have another issue another

[2:33:05] Voice 6: Another consideration, which is we've received two responses from First Nations, both of whom flag potential for archaeological issues.

[2:33:24] Voice 6: They don't flag any particular one, but the potential.

[2:33:31] Voice 6: And frankly, I'm not quite sure what to do about those.

[2:33:33] Voice 6: So what I was going to move was that the local trust committee requests staff to refer First Nation referral responses to the senior intergovernmental policy advisor for advice on how to respond.

[2:33:53] Voice 6: To make a formal referral to Lisa.

[2:33:57] Voice 6: Did

[2:33:57] Voice 15: I miss this in the package?

[2:33:59] Voice 15: You know what, I think I

[2:34:01] Voice 6: saw it, I think I saw it and it was in the package, it was in an email from Planner Smith to you and I, probably Friday, probably.

[2:34:10] Voice 6: I think

[2:34:10] Voice 15: I got that email.

[2:34:12] Voice 6: Yeah, Planner Smith.

[2:34:15] Planner: If you didn't, Trustee Rockefeller, I'm pretty sure I sent it to you.

[2:34:19] Planner: So the referral period closed after the agenda deadline, the report, so the report couldn't actually capture the referral summary.

[2:34:29] Planner: But in preparation for the meeting, I did email you and Chair Rogers the referrals that we had received to date and I'll just make sure that you got it and if not, I'll...

[2:34:40] Planner: You

[2:34:40] Voice 15: probably did email to me. Sorry, I have a slew of emails.

[2:34:43] Voice 15: It came

[2:34:45] Voice 6: on Thursday or Friday.

[2:34:46] Voice 15: Okay, sorry about that.

[2:34:47] Planner: It was just to make sure that you had those in front of you and so those referrals will be part of the public hearing record.

[2:34:56] Planner: occurred okay

[2:34:57] Voice 15: thank you so much sure and i yeah i think that it probably wise advice to then get

[2:35:02] Voice 15: the senior environmental government policy advisor yes

[2:35:07] Voice 6: i mean one of the responses said

[2:35:11] Voice 6: effectively make sure the applicants aware of potential but the other one said we think we

[2:35:19] Voice 6: should be on site for any thinking and i'm not sure how to respond to that i i just i i i i'm

[2:35:25] Voice 6: not sure what the standard is so i'd like to get some advice and i'm sure we'll get advice from

[2:35:29] Voice 6: staff from the planning staff as well about that um so um that that's why i made the motion i'd

[2:35:36] Voice 6: like to make sure we handle it appropriately i mean i will say my view is that the referrals

[2:35:43] Voice 6: to the first nations just carry on and if we get responses in two months from now we get responses

[2:35:48] Voice 6: is two months from now it's just the way it is um so the 30 days is uh it is is is our working

[2:35:58] Voice 6: period but we may get other

[2:35:59] Voice 15: resources no if there's concerns i definitely think we need to

[2:36:02] Voice 15: address those

[2:36:03] Voice 6: right and they weren't they weren't big they were just but i don't i'm sure how to

[2:36:08] Voice 6: respond to them so carly did you get the motion i

[2:36:12] Voice 16: did yes thank you yes

[2:36:14] Voice 6: please

[2:36:15] Voice 16: okay it was moved

[2:36:17] Voice 16: or it might be moved that the Galleon Island

[2:36:19] Voice 16: Local Trust Committee directs staff

[2:36:21] Voice 16: to refer First Nations referral responses

[2:36:23] Voice 16: to the senior intergovernmental policy advisor

[2:36:25] Voice 16: for advice on how to respond.

[2:36:28] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:36:29] Voice 15: I'll second that.

[2:36:30] Voice 6: Okay, so any further discussion?

[2:36:32] Voice 6: If not, I'll call a vote.

[2:36:33] Voice 6: All in favor?

[2:36:34] Voice 6: So that passes unanimously.

[2:36:39] Voice 6: I'm sorry, I have a couple more considerations.

[2:36:43] Voice 6: considerations. One is, I hear you, Trustee Rockefeller, regarding the OCP. I'm just trying

[2:36:56] Voice 6: to find, sorry, find the language. And you may very well be right. But I wonder about

[2:37:06] Voice 6: making a slight alteration to the OCP. We have to amend the OCP anyway.

[2:37:18] Voice 6: and sorry I'm just trying to find the actual language um and it's in section 1.6 bi and ii

[2:37:28] Voice 6: of the ocp and the section oh

[2:37:32] Voice 15: sorry I said yeah and

[2:37:34] Voice 6: it's at the it's on the top of page 16 of

[2:37:36] Voice 6: the package okay and it says application for rezoning to a high density la la la la uh the

[2:37:45] Voice 6: the application, sorry, shall be considered

[2:37:47] Voice 6: where the applicant's resolved to prove provision

[2:37:49] Voice 6: of seniors affordable or special needs,

[2:37:50] Voice 6: how they are subject to the following,

[2:37:52] Voice 6: all additional density greater than that permitted

[2:37:55] Voice 6: by current sub shall be in the form of units reserved.

[2:37:59] Voice 6: And then the word exclusively,

[2:38:04] Voice 6: for the as affordable seniors or special needs housing.

[2:38:07] Voice 6: I totally agree that the OCP sort of has lots of policies

[2:38:12] Voice 6: that support affordable housing, et cetera.

[2:38:13] Voice 6: the word exclusively causes me a little bit of concern um and i would have thought that for

[2:38:19] Voice 6: clarity we might want to consider changing that word primarily um

[2:38:25] Voice 15: well it did cause me concern

[2:38:28] Voice 15: as well because i don't like just going against an ocp policy um but i wonder if perhaps uh to

[2:38:36] Voice 15: make it more specific as primarily as vague um that if it was something maybe that was tailored

[2:38:41] Voice 15: to a association like an affordable housing association formula or something okay so say

[2:38:49] Voice 6: that again just

[2:38:50] Voice 15: because i'm so good at crafting sentences no

[2:38:53] Voice 6: no i just i you are you're but i

[2:38:56] Voice 6: just not

[2:38:57] Voice 6: sure i no

[2:38:58] Voice 15: i was just i worried just but i respect where exclusively is coming from

[2:39:03] Voice 15: said you know so primarily to me it could be interpreted as any kind of ratio 50 50 60 40

[2:39:10] Voice 15: i was thinking if it was specified in forms of units specified by us by affordable housing

[2:39:18] Voice 15: association or like a formula specified by a housing association because that's what we're

[2:39:25] Voice 15: that's the reason why it's not 100 affordable units is because it's tied to the bc housing

[2:39:31] Voice 15: formula well

[2:39:33] Voice 6: it's one of the reasons i had suggested changing the definition of affordable

[2:39:38] Voice 6: housing was because that would solve that problem as well but

[2:39:44] Voice 15: it would also open up the whole

[2:39:45] Voice 15: discussion for what affordable was and by keeping it linked to a affordable housing association then

[2:39:51] Voice 15: it's going to be always affordable as opposed to just rental units which could come townhouse

[2:40:00] Voice 15: condo rental units yeah

[2:40:02] Voice 6: no and we and we definitely do not want to put zoning in place

[2:40:08] Voice 6: or have any indication that the that that this would just be a an increase in density without the

[2:40:15] Voice 6: the concomitant um it wasn't

[2:40:20] Voice 15: even this application i was concerned about i was worried about like

[2:40:23] Voice 15: yeah for changing the wording then or like like doing what gabriela did and kind of loosening up

[2:40:30] Voice 15: that wording their future applications or developments could use that to a different

[2:40:35] Voice 15: direction well

[2:40:37] Voice 6: you theoretically because the wording that they we adopted on gabriola was

[2:40:42] Voice 6: to to say that affordable housing was a a project that that had a housing agreement so theoretically

[2:40:49] Voice 6: i suppose future ltbs could enter into a housing agreement that was perhaps not what you and i

[2:40:56] Voice 6: would consider what it was appropriate in the housing agreement but future ltc could do that

[2:41:00] Voice 6: but that's the idea is that the LTC could control it going forward but I am concerned so you don't

[2:41:09] Voice 6: think that changing the word exclusively does the trick you think you think something else

[2:41:14] Voice 6: might work no

[2:41:15] Voice 15: I just wanted to make sure it was something that could be defined I just

[2:41:20] Voice 15: I worry that primarily it's a loose term and it seems like when we get to the nitty-gritty

[2:41:27] Voice 15: of applications we end up really hammering on certain words and i would just wonder if maybe

[2:41:32] Voice 15: saying in accordance with uh affordable housing association formula would that then be more

[2:41:42] Voice 15: available to it's like okay

[2:41:45] Voice 6: so what about you you're saying effectively something like all

[2:41:48] Voice 6: additional density greater than not permitted by current zoning shall be in the form of units

[2:41:52] Voice 6: that's reserved primarily for occupancy

[2:41:54] Voice 6: as affordable seniors or special needs housing

[2:41:57] Voice 6: as defined by an affordable housing proponent or agreement?

[2:42:05] Voice 15: More like the BC Affordable Housing Association.

[2:42:10] Voice 15: So it's not the proponent that I...

[2:42:12] Voice 15: Oh, I see.

[2:42:13] Voice 15: It's the governing granting body.

[2:42:18] Voice 6: Okay, so, or special needs housing

[2:42:21] Voice 6: which are exclusively for propulence as affordable seniors

[2:42:24] Voice 6: or special needs housing in a proportion defined

[2:42:32] Voice 15: by provincial

[2:42:33] Voice 6: funders or something like that.

[2:42:35] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:42:35] Voice 15: something like that,

[2:42:36] Voice 15: in a formula defined by provincial funders.

[2:42:38] Voice 6: Okay, so let me ask the staff what you think

[2:42:41] Voice 6: about an amendment to the OCP,

[2:42:43] Voice 5: which is never, we don't do lightly,

[2:42:47] Voice 5: that would have that kind of an impact

[2:42:50] Voice 5: or

[2:42:51] Voice 6: utilize that kind of language.

[2:42:54] Voice 6: Any comment from either of you?

[2:42:57] Voice 8: So I just want to be clear.

[2:43:00] Voice 8: The change you're looking for, Trustee Rockefeller,

[2:43:04] Voice 8: is about the ownership or operation of the future,

[2:43:10] Voice 8: not this one, but future affordable housing

[2:43:11] Voice 8: that you're trying to ensure that future applications

[2:43:17] Voice 8: are only considered for um societies or non-profits um i

[2:43:30] Voice 6: think what the chair rock or trust i don't

[2:43:33] Voice 6: want to speak for trustee rockville but what she was aiming at was she was concerned that we're

[2:43:37] Voice 6: primarily might it be too too loose yeah yeah and so she wanted to add some conditions that the

[2:43:43] Voice 6: the funding as defined by provincial funders

[2:43:47] Voice 6: or something like that.

[2:43:51] Voice 6: Yes, Ms. Doty.

[2:43:54] Voice 21: We also need to make sure we're not overly restricting

[2:43:58] Voice 21: this definition as well, because it's not just BC Housing,

[2:44:03] Voice 21: it's also federal funders, not just provincial.

[2:44:06] Voice 21: So CMHC is also at the table here.

[2:44:09] Voice 21: And we also don't know who the capital funders

[2:44:13] Voice 21: of this project might be a couple of years down the road,

[2:44:17] Voice 21: like the the lay of the land um could change so we have to be make sure we're not being overly

[2:44:23] Voice 21: and narrowly prescriptive i

[2:44:26] Voice 6: i i agree and part of what we're trying to do is actually make it a

[2:44:30] Voice 6: little less restrictive and but we're now getting into conditions that um make it difficult to do

[2:44:38] Voice 6: but i i'll be honest with you uh i'd like to give this first reading today and um i'm just i'm

[2:44:45] Voice 6: saying that because you're going to hear me say it in a few minutes anyway and um and but we need

[2:44:50] Voice 6: if we're going to give it first reading i'd like to make i'd like to get the language in place that

[2:44:54] Voice 6: we're going to give first reading to yeah

[2:44:57] Voice 15: um

[2:44:59] Planner: policy c speaks to non uh non-profit society

[2:45:07] Planner: and perhaps that's the simplest way to ensure that the intent is met that uh uh you amend this to

[2:45:16] Planner: uh speak to uh exclusively uh for or exclusively operated by a non-profit society

[2:45:25] Planner: and i think if you did that then you would address any concerns that whatever the scheme is that uh

[2:45:33] Planner: as is the current scheme it's uh it's an affordable housing scheme that's meant to

[2:45:40] Planner: subsidize those deepest units and make it viable for the operator to survive and so that might be

[2:45:47] Planner: a simple fix to put the non-profit housing wording there i

[2:46:00] Voice 15: mean i'm definitely not trying to make it

[2:46:03] Voice 15: harder to for funding for affordable housing projects that's absolutely not my intention

[2:46:09] Voice 15: it is more to just we're actually not talking about funding right now we're talking about how

[2:46:13] Voice 15: how units are, when you're having a development,

[2:46:17] Voice 15: how they're rationed out per 100% affordable

[2:46:20] Voice 15: or just some affordable.

[2:46:22] Voice 15: So all I was saying was it would primarily be affordable units

[2:46:27] Voice 15: tied with a granting body formula.

[2:46:32] Planner: I do understand your concern.

[2:46:35] Planner: And I think the intent of letter I is to ensure that

[2:46:43] Planner: that you're providing affordable housing.

[2:46:46] Planner: I think the ultimate intent of all of this community housing policy

[2:46:50] Planner: is to enable community housing in non-profit scenarios,

[2:46:56] Planner: not enable developers to create schemes

[2:47:00] Planner: where they're providing a few affordable housing units

[2:47:03] Planner: and that allows some increased density for profit.

[2:47:06] Planner: So linking it to the non-profit requirement could possibly address that concern.

[2:47:20] Voice 15: I'd

[2:47:20] Voice 6: be reluctant to tie it into the applicant.

[2:47:23] Voice 6: I would rather tie it into the nature of the applicant.

[2:47:29] Voice 6: I'd rather tie it into the nature of the outcome.

[2:47:34] Voice 6: come

[2:47:36] Voice 5: now you and i i mean i get your point planner smith uh but you know i i think it's i think it's

[2:47:45] Voice 5: a it's it's a bit of a dangerous thing to put into an ocpa provision that says

[2:47:52] Voice 5: you know that it's a non-profit housing society and that will and will that will ensure that we'll

[2:48:00] Voice 5: will get what we want it

[2:48:02] Planner: could just say operated not for profit it could

[2:48:07] Planner: that is operated not for

[2:48:09] Planner: profit

[2:48:09] Voice 6: so if it said reserved primarily for occupancy as affordable seniors or special

[2:48:17] Voice 6: needs housing and operated on a not-for-profit basis and

[2:48:22] Planner: it could even say exclusive uh yeah

[2:48:24] Planner: Yeah. Yeah. Primarily there. And then with the linkage, additional linkage of the not-for-profit to ensure...

[2:48:36] Voice 6: Operated by a not-for-profit in accordance with a

[2:48:40] Voice 5: government funding formula or something like that.

[2:48:45] Planner: And keeping in mind, this is an OCP guideline that you're seeking to further amend to make easier to read or easier to apply.

[2:48:54] Planner: lie and uh it's not uh land use bylaw where you're very much oh i

[2:49:01] Voice 5: know what it

[2:49:01] Planner: is the law so

[2:49:02] Planner: no

[2:49:03] Voice 5: i know what it is it's it's the the official community plan is developed by the community and

[2:49:09] Voice 5: i don't as i said it's not a i don't like i'm not a big fan of amending them on the fly but i

[2:49:15] Voice 5: do think that this and i agree with everything that trustee rockefeller said that i'm comfortable

[2:49:20] Voice 5: that it would it is that in the overall scheme of it but would give

[2:49:25] Voice 6: us some clarity about whether

[2:49:28] Voice 6: or not we can have developments anywhere where not every

[2:49:35] Voice 5: unit is either affordable in this in

[2:49:41] Voice 5: the context of the ROCP or

[2:49:43] Voice 6: for seniors or special needs housing because as we all know what the

[2:49:47] Voice 6: province has done is set up a funding formula that says if you want to build these things great

[2:49:53] Voice 6: here's a bunch of money but you have to have an operation scheme that has some some rent market

[2:49:59] Voice 6: rentals in there to help fund the rest of the project you know you can have your own view about

[2:50:05] Voice 6: whether that's appropriate or not but that's the scheme that's in place it makes it i understand it

[2:50:10] Voice 6: but that's what i want to make sure that our ocp accommodates that i

[2:50:15] Planner: wasn't suggesting you don't

[2:50:16] Planner: make amendments so just suggesting the exact wording um there's it can be if you get the

[2:50:22] Planner: intent of primarily a not-for-profit in there somehow then it's can be broadly interpreted as

[2:50:30] Planner: okay so

[2:50:30] Voice 6: let's be honest the you know it's first even if we give it first reading and i i've said

[2:50:36] Voice 6: i'm in favor of that and we can always amend it if we think the language is awkward so um i'm going

[2:50:42] Voice 6: I'm going to move that as, what's the bylaw number that's the OCP bylaw?

[2:50:51] Voice 6: 7-6.

[2:50:52] Voice 6: Sorry?

[2:50:53] Voice 6: 2-7-6?

[2:50:53] Voice 8: 2-7-6.

[2:50:54] Voice 6: So I'm going to move that Bylaw 276 be amended by adding a change to Section 1.6b.i to read

[2:51:24] Voice 6: all additional density greater than that permitted by current zoning shall be in the form of units

[2:51:33] Voice 6: reserved primarily for occupancy as affordable seniors or special needs housing as provided

[2:51:42] Voice 6: on a not-for-profit basis. How'd you do with that Carly?

[2:52:04] Voice 16: I think I got it. You said move that OCP

[2:52:07] Voice 16: OCP bylaw 276 be amended by adding a change to section 1.6 BI to read all additional density

[2:52:15] Voice 16: greater than that permitted by current zoning and then I'll have to go to the OCP to fill in what

[2:52:20] Voice 16: you said but then primarily for occupancy as affordable seniors or special needs housing as

[2:52:25] Voice 16: provided on a not-for-profit basis correct

[2:52:28] Voice 12: um

[2:52:32] Voice 15: what does as provided on a not-for-profit basis

[2:52:36] Voice 15: this mean well

[2:52:37] Voice 6: that's a good question

[2:52:38] Voice 8: because it'd be

[2:52:42] Voice 8: a friendly amendment might be operated

[2:52:43] Voice 8: on a not-for-profit basis does that make it a bit clearer

[2:52:47] Voice 15: if it would make it clear to me

[2:52:50] Voice 15: okay

[2:52:50] Voice 6: that's fine i'm fine with the operated on a not-for-profit basis because

[2:52:54] Voice 15: that means then

[2:52:55] Voice 15: but it's it is a part of it would be operated for profit the part of the housing that was

[2:53:03] Voice 15: rental yeah

[2:53:04] Voice 6: i think i think no i don't think it's being operated for profit i think it's being

[2:53:09] Voice 6: operated to create some income from one stream of rentals to support the stream of the other

[2:53:16] Voice 6: stream of rentals but i don't think there's any intention for example the giggers or galile or

[2:53:22] Voice 5: whatever their name is giggers no

[2:53:25] Voice 15: i don't think that they want to make a profit i was just i'm

[2:53:27] Voice 15: I'm just trying to understand the motion, so to make sure that it could, how could it be interpreted by any LTC?

[2:53:41] Voice 6: Operating on a not-for-profit basis would, I think, mean that nobody could

[2:53:47] Voice 5: make an overall profit from it.

[2:53:50] Voice 15: Right, so you could rent out then 45% of it as market value as long it was not-for-profit.

[2:53:57] Voice 15: it

[2:53:59] Voice 6: that's probably that i mean if you think that 45 percent would count for for 55 45 would count

[2:54:07] Voice 6: for primarily that well

[2:54:08] Voice 15: it is primarily worst case scenario we're making an amendment to the

[2:54:12] Voice 15: ocb here that's

[2:54:14] Planner: true it would also be addressed in the housing agreements not only between ltc and

[2:54:20] Planner: the applicant but also BC housing and the applicant so in this case for example the

[2:54:29] Planner: maximum number of units would be 30 percent and that's would be

[2:54:34] Planner: defined both in the housing

[2:54:35] Planner: agreement which it sounds like we need to do a little bit of work to to further refine how clear

[2:54:40] Planner: that is so I think that there are other tools I mean you could assign a particular percentage

[2:54:48] Planner: instead of the word primarily or but again it's a one OCP policy within a number of them and you're

[2:54:58] Planner: really just trying to tweak it to not have it in that direct conflict which it in some ways seems

[2:55:05] Planner: to be now so

[2:55:07] Voice 6: how about how about this because and the motion hasn't been seconded so let's

[2:55:11] Voice 6: how about this instead of operated on a uh a not-for-profit basis what if it said

[2:55:21] Voice 6: secured by a housing agreement registered on title but

[2:55:29] Voice 15: the housing agreement would be

[2:55:30] Voice 15: uh well

[2:55:33] Voice 6: housing agreements defined in the ocp i believe okay

[2:55:37] Voice 15: good i didn't

[2:55:37] Voice 6: is it is it i i better

[2:55:39] Voice 6: i guess i better be right about that yeah

[2:55:42] Voice 8: i mean housing agreement can can restrict you know only

[2:55:46] Voice 8: a handful of units potentially right the housing agreement is just the instrument that achieves

[2:55:51] Voice 8: achieves that it doesn't have to restrict rents on all the units i

[2:56:01] Voice 6: i i agree with that but

[2:56:04] Voice 6: i mean it would take a certain amount of political chutzpah to uh to enter into a

[2:56:15] Voice 6: a housing agreement that only had one affordable unit out of 15

[2:56:19] Planner: for

[2:56:20] Voice 6: example um i

[2:56:23] Planner: think the challenge

[2:56:24] Planner: with referring to housing agreement is that you're asking uh for uh you're asking staff for example

[2:56:32] Planner: to compare the application to the ocp and at that time the application wouldn't have a housing

[2:56:38] Planner: agreement too right that's not that very realistic okay so that

[2:56:43] Voice 6: might be a solution if it's not a

[2:56:45] Voice 6: solution then let's not do that um

[2:56:47] Voice 15: and we just can't do the reserve primarily for affordable

[2:56:51] Voice 15: units and in accordance with uh uh granting bodies housing formula i think

[2:57:01] Planner: you can do you're the how

[2:57:04] Voice 6: about okay how about consistent with

[2:57:07] Voice 6: with senior government funding formulas.

[2:57:12] Planner: I think the point of Ms. Doty is that that might limit

[2:57:16] Planner: and what if a philanthropist, for example,

[2:57:20] Planner: came along with a $100 million donation.

[2:57:23] Planner: So I really think that in my view,

[2:57:26] Planner: that the tying it to not-for-profit

[2:57:28] Planner: really then limits any ability

[2:57:31] Planner: for any operator to create profit.

[2:57:33] Planner: So even if you're, for one thing,

[2:57:37] Planner: the rent can be controlled at time or the number of units can be controlled at the time of the

[2:57:43] Planner: housing agreement so you have another instrument there and um that uh yeah i lost my train of

[2:57:53] Planner: thought there a little bit but um i think that tying it to not for profit uh even if you are

[2:57:59] Planner: are generating profit per se uh as a not for profit you would have to turn that back into the

[2:58:06] Planner: uh society's operations in some way you couldn't draw that out as profit so that so that's what a

[2:58:13] Planner: not-for-profit is um you can you you can generate like uh you can generate revenue but it has to be

[2:58:20] Planner: turned back into your operations and that then that then uh i think then back to that original

[2:58:34] Planner: intent of trying to reduce the potential for developers with development schemes for profit

[2:58:41] Planner: it would take away that and that's ultimately in my view what these community housing policies are

[2:58:48] Planner: meant to achieve well

[2:58:51] Voice 15: i guess dan's amendment to his own motion basically encapsulates what we're

[2:58:56] Voice 15: talking about which is primarily and then tying it to the not-for-profit and like we discussed

[2:59:00] Voice 15: this is just the initial if we go to first reading today there's still time for further

[2:59:08] Voice 15: amendments and um consideration of that word yeah

[2:59:13] Voice 6: and you

[2:59:14] Voice 15: know we may get

[2:59:14] Voice 6: we may get feedback

[2:59:15] Voice 6: well

[2:59:16] Voice 15: hopefully we do and but i do think you you are capturing what the ocp

[2:59:21] Voice 15: is going for which is affordable units so

[2:59:24] Voice 6: carly can you read where the motion sits right now please

[2:59:30] Voice 16: move that bylaw 276 be amended by adding a change to section 1.bi to read all additional density

[2:59:37] Voice 16: greater than that permitted by current zoning shall be in the form of units reserved primarily

[2:59:41] Voice 16: for occupancy as affordable seniors or special needs housing as provided on a not-for-profit

[2:59:47] Voice 16: basis no

[2:59:48] Voice 6: operated on a not-for-profit basis

[2:59:50] Voice 16: as operated on okay yeah

[2:59:52] Voice 6: i think that i think we

[2:59:54] Voice 6: We all agreed that that language was

[2:59:56] Voice 6: clearer to.

[3:00:01] Voice 14: okay i

[3:00:02] Voice 6: i mean i i you're going to second that that

[3:00:05] Voice 15: was me seconding uh

[3:00:06] Voice 6: i think i i you know

[3:00:09] Voice 6: i'm not sure it's perfect um but i think it's clear and if if it needs to be amended later

[3:00:16] Voice 6: if the staff goes away and says you know this was a really bad language and you should consider this

[3:00:22] Voice 6: instead we can change it at a subsequent reading of the bylaw

[3:00:26] Voice 14: right yeah

[3:00:27] Voice 6: okay so it's been moved

[3:00:29] Voice 6: in second any further discussion okay so i'll call that vote so that passes unanimously so

[3:00:37] Voice 6: we've amended bylaw 276 to include that language in the ocp so i i don't have any other changes

[3:00:48] Voice 6: i don't know if you do uh uh

[3:00:51] Voice 15: to the bylaw yeah

[3:00:54] Voice 6: no bylaws i

[3:00:56] Voice 15: know sorry bylaws no i did not have

[3:00:58] Voice 15: any more changes to the bylaws and

[3:00:59] Voice 6: i don't know what you thought but i'll just tell you my thinking

[3:01:03] Voice 6: i know we've got a lot of people that said give it first and second reading um i'm inclined to

[3:01:09] Voice 6: propose we give it first reading because i'm a little uncomfortable about giving something

[3:01:14] Voice 6: second reading until we've got uh like the trust policy statement checklist uh until we've got the

[3:01:21] Voice 6: the rest of the reports and we can do all of that.

[3:01:30] Voice 6: And then, I mean, my thinking is,

[3:01:34] Voice 6: it's going to take a while for us to continue

[3:01:36] Voice 6: to assess all of the reports, get a report back.

[3:01:38] Voice 6: We have a meeting, I believe at the beginning of April

[3:01:41] Voice 6: and we can get staff to set up a CIM or whatever

[3:01:48] Voice 6: if we're comfortable with where we're at again

[3:01:50] Voice 6: after second reading anyway that's my thinking but I'm open to listening to what you're thinking

[3:01:56] Voice 6: no

[3:01:56] Voice 15: I think the first reading would be appropriate given that we still need to see the draft

[3:02:03] Voice 15: covenant also eventually and we haven't officially seen the water management plan or the septic plan

[3:02:08] Voice 15: at all right so and we still have to work on the housing agreement too right

[3:02:13] Voice 6: yeah so and I'll just

[3:02:16] Voice 6: just tell you, Tahira, just for your knowledge,

[3:02:20] Voice 6: Trustee Rockefeller, that the, at least, and again,

[3:02:24] Voice 6: it's not, I'm not saying Gabriel did it perfect,

[3:02:26] Voice 6: but what we did is when we got to the CIM

[3:02:31] Voice 6: and then the public hearing,

[3:02:33] Voice 6: we didn't have the final language for the housing agreement,

[3:02:38] Voice 6: but we had passed a motion that we would not adopt

[3:02:41] Voice 6: docked um the uh the bylaws until we had a completed housing agreement and we had a completed

[3:02:49] Voice 6: water license etc so there were some some there were some conditions on doing that but we had

[3:02:55] Voice 6: the a pretty close finished draft of the housing agreement um that we could put before the community

[3:03:03] Voice 6: and say this is what it's pretty much going to look like uh and that's what we did so i think

[3:03:10] Voice 6: that's probably the path we're heading on here too is that we're probably going to be it's going to

[3:03:17] Voice 6: be a little sink to the rest but we'll have a good document but it probably part of the problem with

[3:03:23] Voice 6: the housing agreements is you can't control the timing with the lawyers

[3:03:26] Voice 14: and

[3:03:27] Voice 6: we ran into that

[3:03:29] Voice 6: problem on gabriella's now theoretically we should the lawyers should be quicker with this one if

[3:03:36] Voice 6: they're similar because they'll have look they'll have spent the time with the gabriola one and if

[3:03:42] Voice 6: we sync them up they should be able to move more quickly but i think we i don't think they'll

[3:03:46] Voice 6: necessarily be in lockstep so that's my thinking anyway at this stage so um i think what we need

[3:03:56] Voice 6: to do is um make

[3:04:00] Voice 15: that uh housing agreement motion if in the package

[3:04:04] Voice 15: okay i moved out

[3:04:06] Voice 15: at the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee direct staff

[3:04:09] Voice 15: to draft a bylaw authorizing the local trust committee

[3:04:12] Voice 15: to enter into a housing agreement with the applicant

[3:04:14] Voice 15: that is based on the proposed terms and conditions described

[3:04:17] Voice 15: in the March 1st, 2021 staff report

[3:04:19] Voice 15: on application GLRC 219.1 Giggers.

[3:04:25] Voice 6: Okay, I'll second that.

[3:04:27] Voice 6: Although, and I just want to say,

[3:04:30] Voice 6: because I think I flagged at least one issue

[3:04:33] Voice 6: that I might have and I'm guessing staff

[3:04:35] Voice 6: staff will it when it says based on that's the form that you'll use but you'll go but I do I

[3:04:42] Voice 6: just want to make sure staff doesn't think that that's the form the the form has to be exactly

[3:04:47] Voice 6: what's in our package or do you think that it

[3:04:50] Planner: really means based on the content in the table

[3:04:53] Planner: which tried to summarize the uh uh the template but the uh yes if that makes that answers your

[3:05:01] Planner: question yeah

[3:05:01] Voice 6: yeah okay so i'm fine i'll second that motion did you and that's the motion that's

[3:05:06] Voice 6: in the package carly okay got

[3:05:09] Voice 16: it thank you okay

[3:05:11] Voice 6: so that's been moved do you have anything further

[3:05:13] Voice 6: you wish to say on that motion no i don't

[3:05:15] Voice 6: okay so i'll call the vote and that passes unanimously

[3:05:20] Voice 6: so i'm gonna propose that we we um i

[3:05:29] Voice 20: need the i

[3:05:30] Voice 6: think with a with a bylaw we need the

[3:05:33] Voice 6: the formal, I got to, sorry, just give me a second.

[3:05:41] Voice 6: That the Galeano Local Trust Committee

[3:05:48] Voice 6: give first reading to bylaw number 276,

[3:05:54] Voice 6: a bylaw to amend Galeano Island Official Community Plan,

[3:06:00] Voice 6: bylaw number 108, 1995 as amended.

[3:06:05] Voice 6: amended that's been

[3:06:09] Voice 6: seconded i get that right robert okay so that's been that's been moved

[3:06:17] Voice 6: and seconded um i'm just gonna say um because we've had a number of submissions people asking

[3:06:24] Voice 6: us not to give first and second reading etc um you know there's still we still have considerations

[3:06:32] Voice 6: considerations to make. There's still reports to come in. And as I've told, and I, but I think

[3:06:39] Voice 6: what this reflects is, if we pass this, I haven't called the vote yet, this, in my view, this

[3:06:45] Voice 6: reflects that we haven't yet seen a stopping place where we wouldn't take the next step in this

[3:06:52] Voice 6: thing. And so that's where we're at. I appreciate that there are still issues around fire, perhaps.

[3:07:00] Voice 6: and I know there's some considerations around road,

[3:07:04] Voice 6: although I will say I'm having a little personal challenge

[3:07:09] Voice 6: understanding how those relate to our work,

[3:07:13] Voice 6: but I guess there's signals that we're satisfied

[3:07:16] Voice 6: that the reporting that we've seen so far

[3:07:18] Voice 6: supports taking the next step,

[3:07:20] Voice 6: but there's other steps to go.

[3:07:21] Voice 6: So with that, that's mine.

[3:07:23] Voice 6: Did you want to speak to the motion?

[3:07:28] Voice 15: I've been just really happy working with applicant

[3:07:30] Voice 15: applicant and also with the people that have concerns in the areas and trying to find the

[3:07:34] Voice 15: balance between both yeah

[3:07:36] Voice 6: i mean we'll have more to say that as we go farther i mean obviously

[3:07:41] Voice 6: there's some this is a heritage it's a forest and every time we build in a forest it's a concern

[3:07:47] Voice 6: and

[3:07:47] Voice 15: to remember though that it was designated for for community housing when it became a forest

[3:07:54] Voice 15: and it wasn't actually a forest at the time correct it was a clear cut correct

[3:07:59] Voice 6: so i'm going

[3:08:01] Voice 6: to call the vote on that one all in favor yeah sorry

[3:08:08] Voice 6: sorry i wondered if i was voting alone

[3:08:12] Voice 6: no so that passes unanimously and then uh just because it's easier i'll find i'm going to move

[3:08:19] Voice 6: that the galliano local trust committee give first reading to bylaw number 277 a bylaw to amend

[3:08:27] Voice 6: recommend Galeano Island land use bylaw number 127-1999.

[3:08:35] Voice 6: That's seconded, I have nothing further to say.

[3:08:37] Voice 6: Do you have anything further to say?

[3:08:38] Voice 6: All in favor?

[3:08:40] Voice 6: That passes unanimously.

[3:08:44] Voice 6: I don't think I have anything further at this stage.

[3:08:47] Voice 6: Do you have anything further?

[3:08:49] Voice 15: Me?

[3:08:50] Voice 6: Yeah.

[3:08:51] Voice 15: No, just I encourage people to come keep talking to me

[3:08:54] Voice 15: about concerns or support of the application

[3:08:56] Voice 15: the application and keep me informed

[3:08:58] Voice 15: and we'll keep working on it.

[3:08:59] Voice 6: Okay.

[3:09:00] Voice 6: Planner Smith, have we missed anything

[3:09:02] Voice 6: that you'd like us to do?

[3:09:06] Planner: No, thank you, Chair Rogers.

[3:09:07] Voice 6: Or PM Kojima, okay.

[3:09:11] Voice 6: Well, then thank you very much to the applicants.

[3:09:14] Voice 6: I appreciate your consideration

[3:09:15] Voice 6: and your attention today.

[3:09:19] Voice 6: And we'll look forward to this matter

[3:09:25] Voice 6: coming back to us soon.

[3:09:28] Voice 6: and we'll start to move towards a,

[3:09:32] Voice 6: you know, presuming everything does,

[3:09:34] Voice 6: we'll start moving towards

[3:09:35] Voice 6: that CIM public hearing phase of this.

[3:09:39] Voice 6: So thank you very much.

[3:09:40] Voice 6: That's the end of the business for that item.

[3:09:44] Voice 6: So we're going to move on in the agenda.

[3:09:46] Voice 6: So perhaps you could let Jane know she can come back

[3:09:48] Voice 6: and I think we should take five minutes and come back

[3:09:53] Voice 6: and carry on with the agenda.

[3:09:54] Voice 6: So could we stand down for five minutes, please, Shayla, and we'll get Jane back and we'll carry on. Thank you very much.

[3:10:08] Voice 6: Do you want 10?

[3:13:03] Voice 11: They're on a break until 345.

[3:13:06] Voice 12: We'll

[3:13:20] Voice 6: trust you over, Jim. Welcome back.

[3:13:22] Voice 12: Thank you.

[3:13:32] Voice 6: um so now we're at uh as soon as tahir gets here we're at broad we're here at uh nine we're at

[3:13:40] Voice 6: page 97

[3:13:41] Voice 12: here's

[3:14:03] Voice 11: tahira okay

[3:14:06] Voice 6: and we just need uh brian planter smith thank you to the uh

[3:14:24] Voice 6: 19 people who are still with us and um here we go so we're moving on we're in the agenda

[3:14:34] Voice 6: Thank you for the discussion and the input in the applicant.

[3:14:38] Voice 6: We're at 14.1, the LUB technical amendments.

[3:14:42] Voice 6: There's a staff report here at page 97, as I said,

[3:14:47] Voice 6: this is a project we've been working on for a while.

[3:14:52] Voice 6: So over to Planner Smith to introduce your project.

[3:15:01] Planner: It's working to get there, Chair Rogers, thank you.

[3:15:03] Voice 6: No problem.

[3:15:04] Voice 6: So

[3:15:08] Planner: pretty straightforward compared to our last conversation.

[3:15:13] Planner: So in November, staff presented LTC with a number of proposed technical amendments based on items collected over a number of years by staff and LTC, as well as an initial review by staff.

[3:15:32] Planner: LTC gave direction at that meeting.

[3:15:34] Planner: the staff report in attachment three summarizes that direction and so the amendments that LTC

[3:15:43] Planner: decided to move forward with staff have then gone ahead and made suggested amendments which are now

[3:15:51] Planner: included in the draft bylaw for consideration here for you today while going through that

[3:15:56] Planner: process. Staff also did a more line by line review of the bylaw and captured a number of

[3:16:04] Planner: additional amendments that are then being presented to LTC for the first time today

[3:16:09] Planner: and those are in table one. All of them in my view are more or less technical amendments and

[3:16:15] Planner: and certainly open to any questions

[3:16:18] Planner: or conversation around those.

[3:16:22] Planner: And also looking for any other direction

[3:16:26] Planner: around referrals today.

[3:16:28] Planner: And I don't think I'll speak too much to the staff report.

[3:16:31] Planner: I'll just pass it over to LTC to see if you have

[3:16:33] Planner: any questions with respect to any of the changes.

[3:16:38] Voice 6: Okay, trustees, Trustee Rockefeller.

[3:16:42] Voice 6: so

[3:16:43] Voice 15: pages 102 to 107 are the actual changes that will take place that's right entirety

[3:16:50] Voice 15: that's

[3:16:51] Planner: right those are the that's the actual bylaw wording that uh i painstakingly crafted

[3:16:57] Planner: because they're pretty finicky and uh robert has worked through and uh and uh provided his

[3:17:04] Planner: expertise as well so i think they're pretty consistent with what we spoke to and uh fairly

[3:17:11] Planner: simple and logical framework and

[3:17:13] Voice 15: everything we're voting on then is on those four pages

[3:17:15] Voice 15: that's

[3:17:16] Planner: right so this includes not only all the content that you uh considered and approved last

[3:17:21] Planner: time uh other than maybe six or seven of those that you said no to uh as well as all the proposed

[3:17:28] Planner: changes and so basically if you're happy with table one then uh the bylaw is ready to go if

[3:17:36] Planner: if there is anything in table one net new

[3:17:39] Planner: that you're not comfortable with,

[3:17:42] Planner: then those can be reworked as well.

[3:17:46] Voice 15: Okay, thank you.

[3:17:50] Voice 6: Trustee Warburton, we haven't heard from you for a while.

[3:17:54] Voice 11: Yes, I know.

[3:17:56] Voice 11: Yes, I've been all through them.

[3:17:58] Voice 11: I had some correspondence with Brad

[3:18:01] Voice 11: because I got a little confused,

[3:18:05] Voice 11: but i went through them and they look fine okay

[3:18:09] Voice 6: well i i also had a few things that i was confused

[3:18:13] Voice 6: about at first but i think i've gotten it then can i just have one question which is the change

[3:18:19] Voice 6: to 17.1.22 which is how you figure out the height of a building

[3:18:24] Voice 12: uh

[3:18:25] Voice 6: and that little diagram that's

[3:18:27] Voice 6: there is that sort of a standard way of doing it now yeah

[3:18:32] Planner: and that diagram doesn't say anything

[3:18:34] Planner: different than what the definition did before it's just the galliano definition went a roundabout way

[3:18:41] Planner: of referring to average finish grade i think and then average finish grade essentially means

[3:18:48] Planner: this that definition of height and so uh you've seen that diagram perhaps chair rogers in the

[3:18:54] Planner: mean uh in the main uh well that's where that uh is borrowed from so that is the the common

[3:19:02] Planner: reference and there isn't actually any change being made you're just taking away one definition

[3:19:07] Planner: and simplifying it

[3:19:08] Voice 6: that's that's fine i just that's fine yeah it's just a comment i'm just

[3:19:14] Voice 6: going to say that i'll the chart that is on page uh 108 um should always be done it's uh it was

[3:19:26] Voice 6: very very helpful because it not only clarified what you'd proposed it also

[3:19:33] Voice 6: recorded what we we decided which of course by now I would have forgotten and

[3:19:40] Voice 6: so I just want to say how helpful that attachment to us so thank you for that

[3:19:47] Voice 6: um yeah trustee wolf uh

[3:19:50] Voice 11: yes i just uh brad just on page 110 uh under section 13 it should be 13.9

[3:19:58] Voice 11: rather than 1.9 oh

[3:20:02] Voice 6: you know what i saw that too

[3:20:04] Voice 11: we're on page 110

[3:20:06] Voice 11: yes under section 13

[3:20:09] Voice 11: 13 where it says 1.9 that should be 13.9 right i'll fix that yep

[3:20:17] Planner: that's pretty good

[3:20:18] Planner: one typo in each report and

[3:20:22] Voice 11: on and section 17 should be uh i think 17.1 as opposed to 171

[3:20:28] Voice 11: two

[3:20:30] Voice 13: that's

[3:20:32] Voice 11: all yeah and

[3:20:33] Voice 6: and i'm afraid there's one more on page 98 at the very first lub reference

[3:20:39] Voice 6: You see it at the top, the 98.

[3:20:44] Voice 6: Just a sec.

[3:20:53] Voice 6: And this is, of course, is not in the by-law.

[3:20:55] Voice 6: It's just in your staff report.

[3:20:57] Voice 14: Yeah.

[3:20:58] Voice 6: 6.1.11, and it should say 6.1.13.

[3:21:03] Voice 14: Yeah, right.

[3:21:04] Voice 6: I mean, I got a little confused,

[3:21:07] Voice 6: but I realized that that's what you've done.

[3:21:08] Voice 6: But of course, the by-law,

[3:21:09] Voice 6: that doesn't impact the by-law at all.

[3:21:11] Voice 6: So does anybody want to make some motion?

[3:21:14] Voice 6: Go ahead, Trustee Rockafell.

[3:21:15] Voice 15: i actually just had one question so nitpicky i was just curious what the last one 2.3.8 or 2.38

[3:21:24] Voice 15: i guess the last in the um it says part 17 interpretation is amended by deleting article

[3:21:32] Voice 15: reference numbers so that's the definition part so you're just taking away the numbers

[3:21:37] Voice 15: yeah

[3:21:38] Planner: so the bylaw uh it's it goes part section subsection then article so the fourth

[3:21:45] Planner: the fourth decimaled reference is called the article so we're moving it from the

[3:21:50] Planner: articles and drawing it back to subsection 17

[3:21:53] Voice 15: yeah point one yeah thanks

[3:21:56] Voice 15: so

[3:21:57] Voice 6: some some motions

[3:22:01] Voice 6: trustees would like to make some motions go ahead trustee wolverton that

[3:22:07] Voice 11: the galliano island local

[3:22:08] Voice 11: trust committee bylaw number 278 cited as galliano island land use bylaw number 27

[3:22:15] Voice 11: 7, 1999 amendment number 1, 2021 be read for the first time.

[3:22:20] Voice 6: Is there a second to that's been seconded

[3:22:23] Voice 6: any further discussion?

[3:22:24] Voice 6: No, all in favor that passes unanimously.

[3:22:27] Voice 6: Second motion.

[3:22:31] Voice 11: Okay,

[3:22:32] Voice 6: that the

[3:22:34] Voice 11: Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[3:22:36] Voice 11: has reviewed the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[3:22:38] Voice 11: Directive Policies Checklist and determined

[3:22:41] Voice 11: that the proposed bylaw number 278 is not contrary to

[3:22:45] Voice 11: or at variance with the Island's Trust Policy Statement.

[3:22:49] Voice 6: Seconded, yes, seconded, all in favor?

[3:22:53] Voice 6: That passes unanimously, go ahead.

[3:22:57] Voice 11: That the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[3:22:59] Voice 11: direct staff to schedule a public hearing

[3:23:01] Voice 11: for bylaw number 278 following the completion of agency

[3:23:05] Voice 11: and First Nations referrals.

[3:23:08] Voice 6: Is there a seconder, seconded, all in favor?

[3:23:14] Voice 6: Thank you, and there's one last motion suggested mostly.

[3:23:17] Voice 11: that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee direct staff

[3:23:20] Voice 11: to schedule a community information meeting

[3:23:22] Voice 11: in conjunction with the public hearing

[3:23:24] Voice 11: for by-law number 278.

[3:23:26] Voice 6: Is there a seconder?

[3:23:28] Voice 6: Okay, I'll just say this is one of those by-laws

[3:23:32] Voice 6: that I think we can do them in the same meeting.

[3:23:36] Voice 6: I mean, I know there are lots where we don't,

[3:23:40] Voice 6: but this is one that I think we can.

[3:23:41] Voice 6: So I'm going to call a vote on that.

[3:23:45] Voice 6: That passes unanimously.

[3:23:46] Voice 6: Thank you for your work on this, Planner Smith.

[3:23:50] Voice 6: Is there anything further about this that anybody has before we move on?

[3:23:54] Voice 15: I would like to thank the RPM and Planner Smith for the incredible fine-tooth comb they put through this, because it was crazy detailed.

[3:24:06] Voice 6: 15.1 um which is which is the uh top priorities report which is perhaps a little early given that

[3:24:16] Voice 6: we've got the affordable housing report review which would be put on the agenda i guess i should

[3:24:21] Voice 6: have thought of this when we when we when we put the agenda together but the whole idea of putting

[3:24:26] Voice 6: the bringing back the housing report review was to decide another step we wanted to take

[3:24:31] Voice 6: in the affordable housing strategy wasn't it sorry

[3:24:38] Voice 11: i missed part of what you said

[3:24:39] Voice 11: sorry

[3:24:40] Voice 6: i'm just saying that our work program is here with our top priorities yeah but we have

[3:24:47] Voice 6: down at page 135 16.1 that is the apc affordable housing report review and i think the reason we

[3:24:56] Voice 6: wanted it brought back to this local trust committee

[3:24:59] Voice 6: this local trust committee meeting was because

[3:25:04] Voice 6: we wanted to consider if there's another step we want to take

[3:25:08] Voice 6: in relation to the affordable housing strategy.

[3:25:13] Voice 6: Am I wrong about that?

[3:25:16] I

[3:25:17] Voice 6: can be wrong. That's fine. We'll just carry on.

[3:25:21] Voice 15: I don't think you're wrong.

[3:25:22] Voice 15: I think you're correct. I

[3:25:24] Planner: think you're correct, Chair Rogers, that you were going to have some discussion potentially as the STVR project is on its way to sunsetting.

[3:25:36] Planner: Correct. You may you can do that today or you may want to wait until we get a little further along and assess all of your priorities.

[3:25:45] Voice 6: Okay, well, what I'm going to suggest is we leave 15.1 for a minute and do it after 16.1

[3:25:53] Voice 6: and let's do 15.2, which is the applications report.

[3:25:58] Voice 6: Are there any questions for the planner on any of the applications report?

[3:26:04] Voice 6: Nothing from you, Trustee Rockefeller.

[3:26:06] Voice 6: Anything from you, Trustee Wilberton?

[3:26:07] Voice 6: Nothing.

[3:26:08] Voice 6: We have the expense report.

[3:26:11] Voice 6: Anything from either of you?

[3:26:13] Voice 6: we've already passed that motion related to the seeing about our budget but is there anything

[3:26:19] Voice 6: else that you'd like to raise related to our expense report from either of you no

[3:26:23] Voice 11: okay

[3:26:24] Voice 6: we

[3:26:25] Voice 6: have our adoptive policies and standing resolution which is page 127 anything related to that from

[3:26:33] Voice 6: either of you nothing or about the web page no and then we have 15.6 which is the conservancy

[3:26:43] Voice 6: report which is at page 132 and this is from from January and there's a few pieces of information

[3:26:53] Voice 6: from Galeano there one piece of from Galeano is on page 134 related to the Crystal Mountain that

[3:27:03] Voice 6: ITC manager Kate Emmings has stepped away from that and will be dealing with

[3:27:07] Voice 6: with the Conservancy re-utilizing Director Flader

[3:27:13] Voice 6: and the Ecosystem Protection Specialist.

[3:27:16] Voice 6: Anything else that either of you want to say

[3:27:18] Voice 6: about the Conservancy report?

[3:27:21] Voice 6: No, then let's go to the,

[3:27:26] Voice 6: thank you for bringing the affordable housing APC report

[3:27:31] Voice 6: back from that came in September of 2018.

[3:27:34] Voice 6: So it came out just before we all started.

[3:27:38] Voice 6: in 2018 uh i'm reminded um uh i was reminded as i was reading it last night what a

[3:27:46] Voice 6: very useful document this is and i was thinking i'm going to send it off to um some i mean i sit

[3:27:55] Voice 6: on the housing working group for the trust policy statement and i'm thinking i may send some of it

[3:28:01] Voice 6: off some of the recommendations that are related to the trust uh and the whole report off because

[3:28:07] Voice 6: I think it's an excellent document so so this I as I said I think this was brought to us exactly

[3:28:13] Voice 6: for the reason that Planner Smith said eloquently me that we were looking to see whether there was

[3:28:19] Voice 6: a next phase that you wanted to consider or another step that you wanted to take related

[3:28:25] Voice 6: to affordable housing for an LTC project given that the STVR we've adopted that well we haven't

[3:28:32] Voice 6: adopted the bylaw yet we've given third reading to the bylaws we're just waiting for them to come

[3:28:36] Voice 6: back so having reviewed this but trustees um

[3:28:43] Voice 11: i think i mean there are there's some i think some

[3:28:46] Voice 11: very interesting suggestions on page 138 about what the local trust committee can do um and i

[3:28:55] Voice 11: also um was looking at um just a second sorry i seem to have misplaced it excuse me a moment

[3:29:18] Voice 11: and I thought there's a lot there's lots in here that I think is really could be really useful

[3:29:27] Voice 11: um for kind of having a comprehensive um I don't know uh pull together some like a direction that

[3:29:41] Voice 11: we want to go in that you know we won't achieve all of it you know in the short run but to kind

[3:29:46] Voice 11: of have a a plan or a map of things to to tackle um so i mean the tiny homes come in there um

[3:30:00] Voice 11: Sorry, I can't find what I was thinking of,

[3:30:02] Voice 11: but there's also, I was looking back in the legislation

[3:30:09] Voice 11: referring to secondary suites,

[3:30:12] Voice 11: and there's been a change there,

[3:30:14] Voice 11: which we could kind of roll into this as well if we wanted,

[3:30:18] Voice 11: as far as the size of the secondary suite, I don't know.

[3:30:30] Voice 6: Trustee Rockefeller, do you have any thoughts

[3:30:32] Voice 6: about what you, I mean, this is really a discussion

[3:30:35] Voice 6: question about do you want to adopt another project or start I mean correct me if I'm wrong

[3:30:42] Voice 6: rpm kojima kojima and planner smith but I mean now that the str project is sort of the bulk of

[3:30:50] Voice 6: the work is done I mean and the water project that we have on our agenda is is really being

[3:31:00] Voice 6: being done by the freshwater specialist, I think, isn't it?

[3:31:04] Voice 8: And Narissa is going to, is doing the planning part.

[3:31:07] Voice 6: And Narissa, right.

[3:31:07] Voice 6: Yeah,

[3:31:07] Voice 8: so William will actually sort of transition

[3:31:09] Voice 8: into more of a technical support role in that,

[3:31:12] Voice 8: but it'll be Narissa that's leading that project,

[3:31:14] Voice 8: but it's getting started.

[3:31:15] Voice 8: You talked to the project charter.

[3:31:17] Voice 8: Right.

[3:31:17] Voice 8: William and I are getting started on that work.

[3:31:21] Voice 8: So yeah, potentially this is the time for the LTC

[3:31:23] Voice 8: to consider what to replace the STVR review program

[3:31:30] Voice 8: with and this is the one option because initially this was considered as you know STVR review is

[3:31:35] Voice 8: phase one of affordable housing and the assumption there might be subsequent phases to that project

[3:31:40] Voice 8: it's also a good time to start looking at a project in terms of getting it done within the

[3:31:46] Voice 8: term right and you know keeping the scope manageable given the amount of time right

[3:31:53] Voice 8: left in the term so

[3:31:56] Voice 6: the first course

[3:31:57] Voice 8: the LTC is under no obligation to have to do

[3:31:59] Voice 8: project

[3:32:00] Voice 6: no no i appreciate that and and i appreciate and that's why i'm giving you

[3:32:04] Voice 6: the opportunity to tell me you'd have no capacity if that's the case but um what i'm hearing is

[3:32:10] Voice 6: given that the water is sort of being managed by narissa and probably in her role with the

[3:32:16] Voice 6: regional planning group and and the technical review you've done the grunt work on most of

[3:32:23] Voice 6: the work on that um the detailed work and it's really just about i mean i know there's some work

[3:32:30] Voice 6: to be done but it's still and then and so really for the ltc is if you want to have another project

[3:32:38] Voice 6: this term which we have 18 months and left and effectively um uh is is it another portion of

[3:32:48] Voice 6: the affordable housing file or is it one of the other things that's on our project list

[3:32:54] Voice 6: yeah trustee rockwell

[3:32:56] Voice 15: um many of the um action items on the 2018 apc report are things just

[3:33:04] Voice 15: advocacy or things that maybe wouldn't necessarily be a project in itself except for just a couple of

[3:33:10] Voice 15: them um so i i kind of would like to get maybe a planner recommendations on actionable items

[3:33:22] Voice 15: that could be done within the term um rather than trying to create that right okay

[3:33:28] Voice 8: yeah i mean we

[3:33:30] Voice 8: could take all the recommendations from the report and maybe put it in a single table and then um you

[3:33:35] Voice 8: know categorize those into as you see advocacy versus potential bylaw amendments and that might

[3:33:42] Voice 8: help you focus on focus on a few key ones yeah

[3:33:46] Voice 15: and then yeah and

[3:33:48] Voice 8: incorporate some of the other

[3:33:49] Voice 8: um potential changes that maybe aren't covered in the report like uh trustee wolf can mention

[3:33:54] Voice 8: the changes to the some changes to the building code related to secondary suites that could be

[3:34:00] Voice 8: reflected from the bylaw as well so

[3:34:04] Voice 6: that that sounds manageable to you yeah yeah i'm speaking

[3:34:07] Voice 6: for brad and i just want to be clear sorry i

[3:34:11] Voice 8: just said i'm speaking for brad yeah well

[3:34:15] Voice 6: and i know

[3:34:16] Voice 6: and i know we i mean i mean it's no secret we have a couple of applications like galea

[3:34:21] Voice 6: i mean that that's that we are all conscious of that and i'm not sure that any but my other

[3:34:29] Voice 6: Another question for the trustees is, I just want to be clear, you have a list of, how many is it? Nine, did you say?

[3:34:42] Voice 11: Eleven, I think, on our projects.

[3:34:44] Voice 6: So

[3:34:45] Voice 11: I just want to be sure

[3:34:46] Voice 6: that what you'd like to focus on is possible next steps on the affordable housing file as opposed to any of these other projects.

[3:34:59] Voice 6: so i

[3:35:01] Voice 11: think there is one other that um um i'm not sure you know it it might be fairly

[3:35:09] Voice 11: straightforward might not be but would be to look at uh right now with going from f1 to f3

[3:35:15] Voice 11: we have um forestry covenant sustainable forestry covenant and whether we could uh

[3:35:24] Voice 11: add to that or add it somewhere else to have that option to go from no residential rights to

[3:35:37] Voice 11: a residence with a conservation covenant and whether that could be kind of put in somewhere.

[3:35:49] Voice 6: Isn't that already an option?

[3:35:51] Voice 11: Well, not under F1 to F3 and recognizing that a lot of the people who are in F1 now are probably

[3:36:01] Voice 11: not going to be doing forestry.

[3:36:11] Voice 6: So is that number eight?

[3:36:16] Voice 6: Kind of. And is that following up on, for example, on,

[3:36:23] Voice 6: And, oh my God, his name is gone for me.

[3:36:27] Voice 6: The delegation we had.

[3:36:29] Voice 6: Bowie Kiefer.

[3:36:31] Voice 11: Oh, Bowie Kiefer.

[3:36:33] Voice 6: Oh, yes, sorry.

[3:36:34] Voice 6: I don't know why I just gapped on his name.

[3:36:37] Voice 6: Anyway, is that sort of following up on his delegation?

[3:36:40] Voice 6: Is that what you're thinking?

[3:36:41] Voice 11: Not really.

[3:36:44] Voice 11: Because I think he was thinking of more of a blanket,

[3:36:48] Voice 11: not having a rezoning,

[3:36:50] Voice 11: just allowing one house per lot, per forest lot.

[3:36:53] Voice 11: but i think brad has yeah just to

[3:36:55] Planner: provide a bit more context to ltc so uh i'm we're fielding a

[3:37:01] Planner: number of calls of interest of property owners in rezoning their f1 property some of these property

[3:37:07] Planner: owners have owned the properties for the long time uh but there's also a lot of uh you know

[3:37:13] Planner: either the next generation of family members or these properties looking to get sold and people

[3:37:19] Planner: looking to to buy them and so a number of questions we're getting is uh could you create

[3:37:25] Planner: and the romagnoli's is a particular example of them asking whether we could create a

[3:37:32] Planner: conservation covenant instead of a forestry a sustainable forestry covenant and

[3:37:39] Planner: our our staff's assessment of that was uh you're rezoning from f1 to f3 it's still a forestry lot

[3:37:48] Planner: lot and their expectation in the OCP would that it would be that it would be have some

[3:37:54] Planner: in forestry purpose or or use or potential use at least and so a conservation covenant

[3:38:01] Planner: wouldn't necessarily align with that and so trustee Wolverton is suggesting could LTC

[3:38:08] Planner: turn their minds to creating a new zone such somewhat I compared it to perhaps like

[3:38:15] Planner: uh uh zone 8.5 in the land use bylaw which is a nature protection zone specific to uh

[3:38:26] Planner: jane for sorry trustee wolverton the mullard conservancy and it allows for nature protection

[3:38:34] Planner: through count uh through uh covenant uh but also allows for uh dwelling so could you create uh

[3:38:41] Planner: a comparative zone for F3,

[3:38:45] Planner: but that is a conservation covenant based

[3:38:48] Planner: with a dwelling allowance.

[3:38:55] Voice 6: So all of that sounds like a great project

[3:38:57] Voice 6: and one that would be important to Galliano.

[3:39:02] Voice 6: I guess the question for me from,

[3:39:04] Voice 6: and I'd leave this to you to discuss is,

[3:39:08] Voice 6: would you rather get the housing,

[3:39:09] Voice 6: affordable housing options that are available?

[3:39:11] Voice 6: And I just want to point out that of course,

[3:39:14] Voice 6: There are a couple of relatively important housing projects

[3:39:19] Voice 6: going on elsewhere.

[3:39:20] Voice 6: There's one on Salt Spring, there's one on Gabriola,

[3:39:24] Voice 6: they have that calling it the housing options.

[3:39:27] Voice 6: I forget what they call it on Salt Spring,

[3:39:30] Voice 6: but it's a community housing they're looking at, et cetera.

[3:39:36] Voice 6: And then of course there's the tiny homes project on,

[3:39:40] Voice 6: and that's a euphemism, but that's what we call it.

[3:39:43] Voice 6: so it's not it's more than that but it's a distributed density project on on main island

[3:39:49] Voice 6: so there's some things happen on other ltcs which we're going to share some of this information i

[3:39:54] Voice 6: think it'll be available so that's if you wanted to do forest look at forestry rather than the

[3:39:59] Voice 6: uh housing but i i really turn it to you two to decide what you would like to work on

[3:40:05] Voice 6: for the next 18 months yeah trustee rockwell um

[3:40:09] Voice 15: i think the housing is important to keep on

[3:40:12] Voice 15: the list but I was wondering if those other places are currently working on initiatives

[3:40:18] Voice 15: that maybe it would be more beneficial for us to work on a little project in between and then

[3:40:26] Voice 15: use their knowledge that they've gained and all the hoops they've jumped through

[3:40:30] Voice 15: so we can facilitate ours at a more you know it would be expedited basically because we

[3:40:36] Voice 15: other people had already learned those rather than all muddle way through the same time.

[3:40:40] Voice 15: i

[3:40:41] Voice 6: i couldn't tell you what i gabriel is certainly a long-term project it's not going to give you

[3:40:49] Voice 6: anything concrete for a number of years main on the other hand as a distributed density i think

[3:40:57] Voice 6: there's something going on in north pender too isn't there about but that's about maximum square

[3:41:01] Voice 6: footage or something maximum

[3:41:02] Voice 8: floor area is being considered as part of the lub review right right

[3:41:07] Voice 6: Right. So it's not really an affordable housing project per se.

[3:41:12] Voice 6: And I couldn't tell you what I'm not tied in enough to know whether it would be of use to hear.

[3:41:21] Voice 6: You'll get to talk about it next week because there's a specific budget proposal for just their project at Trust Council next week.

[3:41:31] Voice 6: They're asking for some funding for it. I forget what it is, but it doesn't matter.

[3:41:37] Voice 6: So, you know, you could, but then you'd have to figure out what you think you could fill in.

[3:41:45] Voice 6: Because I don't know if you could do, does that forestry concept sound like a small project to you, either of the planners?

[3:41:54] Voice 8: Yeah, it would be a very focused scope of the project, you know, an amendment to that particular OCP policy.

[3:42:00] Voice 8: However, it's a forestry policy on Galliano, so it will involve a lot of community and consultation.

[3:42:09] Voice 6: Right.

[3:42:11] Voice 23: I was

[3:42:12] Voice 6: going to say, nothing about forestry seems simple or short.

[3:42:18] Voice 6: And that's not being critical of anybody.

[3:42:21] Voice 6: It's just that it's a complicated and historical thing.

[3:42:26] Voice 6: so anyway I really this is really up to you you too what you'd like to do um I I just at this

[3:42:34] Voice 6: point I'm just a facilitator

[3:42:35] Voice 11: I guess I would like to consider the forestry uh that that amendment

[3:42:43] Voice 11: and whether and if if you have an idea of how long it might take you know outside of the the

[3:42:51] Voice 11: the community consultation part is it is it a fairly straightforward uh developing of a

[3:42:59] Voice 11: that or or and then there's all the community part but uh if the wording and and all of that

[3:43:06] Voice 11: is not too difficult it might be good to get that going yeah

[3:43:11] Voice 8: the word the wording is fairly

[3:43:12] Voice 8: straightforward it's quite simple yeah just uh just amendment to that one section of the ocp

[3:43:18] Voice 8: policy and expanding the wording to to encompass conservation covenants yeah

[3:43:24] Voice 6: trustee rockwell

[3:43:25] Voice 6: oh i was just

[3:43:27] Voice 15: wondering we're just finishing the land use technical bylaw

[3:43:30] Voice 15: project and we're also just tying up the stvr project so we technically have two slots opening

[3:43:37] Voice 15: up you

[3:43:38] Voice 8: will yeah yeah so

[3:43:40] Voice 15: we could potentially do both yep

[3:43:44] Voice 8: okay i just want

[3:43:46] Voice 14: to make sure that we

[3:43:46] Voice 15: we didn't

[3:43:46] Voice 15: drop affordable housing off our list because I do think it's a

[3:43:49] Voice 15: community priority so

[3:43:50] Voice 15: I think that as long as there are some targeted things I know the community's been talking about

[3:43:56] Voice 15: and I know on Facebook floor ratio was one of them like North Pender's working on so perhaps

[3:44:02] Voice 15: there's a targeted affordable housing project we work on in accordance with you know in the next

[3:44:08] Voice 15: 18 months not like starting now I'm just you know so

[3:44:12] Voice 6: do you would you like to still ask staff to

[3:44:15] Voice 6: to prepare that list that Trustee Wolverton talked about?

[3:44:19] Voice 15: No, I think maybe if we, I mean, I think we can,

[3:44:23] Voice 15: I'd be supportive of moving forward with Jane's suggestion

[3:44:27] Voice 15: and maybe then coming up with what might be the best

[3:44:33] Voice 15: affordable housing initiative to the project to take up.

[3:44:37] Voice 15: Like, think about it for like a month or two.

[3:44:40] Planner: Yeah, I would say that, I mean, you're going to have a month or two anyways

[3:44:44] Planner: because the the stvr report has gone through executive committee but it's now at the minister's

[3:44:50] Planner: office so it's typically two or three months there anyways and then the land use bylaw tech

[3:44:56] Planner: amendments one i still need to do the referrals and then bring that back and uh schedule so

[3:45:01] Planner: probably that one's four or five or six months away too uh one thing i just wanted to circle

[3:45:08] Planner: go back uh i was in i was thinking robert that uh you would need to create a new like a new land

[3:45:17] Planner: use bylaw zone as well like a nature protection zone to allow for that conservation covenant

[3:45:22] Planner: approach uh because the having it as an f3 lot if it's just a confirmation conservation

[3:45:31] Planner: uh covenant then it really isn't a forestry lot anymore but uh that's just into the weeds

[3:45:37] Planner: we can yeah yeah but

[3:45:39] Planner: those are the kinds of things we would need to work through so

[3:45:42] Voice 6: jane do you want

[3:45:43] Voice 6: to try and put a motion on the table that uh talk that direct ask staff to uh develop a plan i guess

[3:45:53] Voice 6: i guess you need a you need a project charter don't you yep

[3:45:57] Voice 8: so the project charter would be

[3:45:59] Voice 8: the first first thing we would come back with with the timeline essentially and

[3:46:03] Voice 6: it's to develop

[3:46:04] Voice 6: So the project charter to develop a proposal for conservation covenants to what?

[3:46:13] Voice 6: Amend F1

[3:46:14] Voice 6: lots or something like that?

[3:46:16] Voice 8: As an alternative to

[3:46:17] Planner: the F3 zoning.

[3:46:19] Planner: A conservation covenant approach to rezoning F1 lots.

[3:46:24] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:46:27] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:46:29] Voice 11: All right.

[3:46:30] Voice 11: So

[3:46:30] Planner: that should be added to the projects list first.

[3:46:35] Planner: there should probably be a resolution there right well

[3:46:38] Voice 6: we're putting it on the section eight i think

[3:46:42] Voice 6: it's number eight yeah

[3:46:44] Voice 8: it's part of i think it's part of number eight yeah yeah

[3:46:48] Planner: i i would say that

[3:46:49] Planner: number eight that my view of number eight was at one time that you need to create a whole bunch of

[3:46:57] Planner: solutions but now i see a lot of solutions are just starting to be created generic or organically

[3:47:02] Planner: by each lot owner um and so my my my uh my advice would be to not take that broader view but maybe

[3:47:12] Planner: it would be to amend uh number eight then to be very specific around this conservation covenant

[3:47:17] Planner: approach and just so why

[3:47:19] Voice 8: don't we just get the resolution to come back with the project charter

[3:47:22] Voice 8: they can have a look at that and then they can add it to their top priorities okay

[3:47:27] Voice 11: so i will move

[3:47:30] Voice 11: then that we asked staff to develop a project charter regarding a proposal for

[3:47:38] Voice 11: adding conservation covenants to the F1 section of our bylaw.

[3:47:53] Voice 6: conservation covenants as an alternative or as a an option to uh to uh um f1 f1 rezoning

[3:48:05] Voice 11: f1 rezoning yeah yeah

[3:48:08] Voice 6: and how about and to just to address

[3:48:17] Voice 6: to address Planner Smith's concern,

[3:48:20] Voice 6: add this item to the projects list.

[3:48:23] Voice 11: Yes, I would go with that.

[3:48:27] Planner: And just circling back,

[3:48:29] Planner: you did direct staff to create the summary of housing.

[3:48:35] Planner: We

[3:48:36] Voice 8: haven't done that yet.

[3:48:36] Voice 8: They haven't done that.

[3:48:37] Planner: Okay, thanks.

[3:48:39] Planner: I've already got my FUAL, but I'll delete it.

[3:48:41] Planner: Even better, I'll

[3:48:43] Voice 6: put it as completed.

[3:48:45] Planner: Quick win.

[3:48:48] Voice 6: okay so there's the motion okay can you read it back please sure

[3:48:55] Voice 16: that the galliano island

[3:48:56] Voice 16: ltc direct staff to develop a project charter regarding a proposal for adding conservation

[3:49:00] Voice 16: covenants as an alternative to f1 rezoning and add this item to the project's list

[3:49:06] Voice 6: okay that sort of capture it yeah seconded um so let's do that and uh is there any further

[3:49:16] Voice 6: discussion related to that no all in favor then uh passes unanimously um so again knowing that

[3:49:27] Voice 6: timing is not imperative to this and it is perhaps we should ask for the list related to that

[3:49:36] Voice 6: affordable housing grouping as well and i mean please please put your hand up if that's too much

[3:49:44] Voice 6: to ask to do i mean we're not asking it for april or may we're asking it for whenever yeah probably

[3:49:51] Voice 8: been in one of the july or june meetings probably come back to that yeah

[3:49:56] Voice 6: to hear i

[3:49:57] Voice 15: don't know if

[3:49:58] Voice 15: the list of suggestions is super comprehensive there was a couple other like thoughts i had

[3:50:03] Voice 15: that weren't included on the 2018 apc i was wondering and there's some that were there

[3:50:09] Voice 15: that i think are just moot so maybe it's not the best template to use for sure to

[3:50:15] Voice 15: have to go through

[3:50:15] Voice 15: so

[3:50:16] Voice 6: would you rather just sort of leave that there while the stvr thing is because it won't move

[3:50:21] Voice 6: until we adopt and you can bring something specific back yeah

[3:50:25] Voice 15: i think maybe we can feel

[3:50:27] Voice 15: around in the community for the next four months and just get a suss out what the and then bring

[3:50:32] Voice 15: a few options forward and discuss okay

[3:50:34] Voice 6: okay i'm happy if you guys bring it rather than asking

[3:50:37] Voice 6: staff to do that okay are you okay with

[3:50:41] Voice 6: that Trustee Wolverton yeah

[3:50:43] Voice 11: yeah I think I think it

[3:50:45] Voice 11: would be good I mean I think there are some you know some really good points and and in you know

[3:50:52] Voice 11: they in the principles and so on so I think it would be interesting to to get feedback

[3:50:57] Voice 11: from the community on that we'll have to figure out how to do that okay

[3:51:03] Voice 6: so okay well then I think

[3:51:06] Voice 6: I think we're done 16.1 and we're done all of 15 now

[3:51:10] Voice 6: unless somebody else has something else from those areas.

[3:51:13] Voice 6: So that's great.

[3:51:14] Voice 6: Thank you very much for that.

[3:51:16] Voice 6: And a great suggestion, Trustee Wilberman.

[3:51:18] Voice 6: Our next regularly scheduled meeting is April the 12th.

[3:51:23] Voice 6: Location to be determined it says.

[3:51:25] Voice 6: I think the location is here.

[3:51:31] Voice 6: Someone compared it to those old Muppet shows

[3:51:34] Voice 6: shows when they're all kind of around anyway uh and then we have a town hall so i'm going to

[3:51:42] Voice 6: uh i'm i'm going to ask whether anybody wishes to speak in town hall um

[3:51:51] Voice 6: keeping in mind it's 28 three minutes after four and keeping in mind that if you're going to speak

[3:51:56] Voice 6: on giggers then i have to ask trustee wolverton to leave again so could you put your hand up

[3:52:04] Voice 6: if you wish to speak to us in town hall about the Giger's App.

[3:52:09] Voice 6: I have one, Karmida, anybody else?

[3:52:18] Voice 6: Jennifer Margason.

[3:52:22] Voice 6: Okay, so now could you just put your hands down for a moment, please?

[3:52:27] Voice 6: I'll come back to you.

[3:52:30] Voice 6: And does anybody wish to speak to the LTC about anything other than the Giger's App?

[3:52:37] Voice 6: Okay. So, Trustee Wolff, could I ask you to sort of step aside again for a moment?

[3:52:49] Voice 6: Yes.

[3:52:49] Voice 11: And I just

[3:52:50] Voice 6: wanted

[3:52:51] Voice 11: to ask, will you be going straight into the in-camera session?

[3:52:57] Voice 11: We

[3:52:58] Voice 6: actually do need you because we're going to adopt some minutes in there.

[3:53:01] Voice 6: So come back. We'll get you to leave again when we talk about what we're talking about.

[3:53:06] Voice 6: And then you can come back for our post-meeting as well.

[3:53:10] Voice 6: are

[3:53:10] Voice 14: okay okay thanks

[3:53:12] Voice 6: we'll get we'll be in touch uh okay go ahead i think i saw carmita's name up

[3:53:16] Voice 6: first if you could promote carmita uh please be uh it's been a long day for everyone so uh

[3:53:24] Voice 6: go ahead hello

[3:53:32] Voice 23: yes

[3:53:33] Voice 6: we can hear you thank

[3:53:34] Voice 23: you thank you um well the first thing is i want to

[3:53:39] Voice 23: know something about this referral uh there is the answer from the island hills and the minister

[3:53:46] Voice 23: instead of environment, where they say we have no concern

[3:53:50] Voice 23: with the proposal and it's a subdivision application

[3:53:56] Voice 23: for lots 30 and 31.

[3:53:58] Voice 23: Now, how can they take this decision

[3:54:02] Voice 23: when they don't have the septic report?

[3:54:05] Voice 6: Well, Carmina, that's a different referral

[3:54:08] Voice 6: when there's an application put in for the septic,

[3:54:12] Voice 6: uh there will be a an island health review uh from a technical point of view in terms of

[3:54:19] Voice 6: deciding so that's not their formal response to the actual application related to us

[3:54:25] Voice 6: septic there's a whole separate technical review that's done once the application goes in i see

[3:54:32] Voice 23: now the other thing they mentioned subdivision are we now in rezoning and subdivision yeah

[3:54:41] Voice 12: just

[3:54:42] Planner: to clarify that uh referral was provided by the applicant uh and so it was presented

[3:54:49] Planner: uh in the report for information it's not an actual islands trust referral it is a referral

[3:54:56] Planner: sent by the ministry of transportation which is in respect of the associated uh subdivision

[3:55:03] Planner: application. So the applicant has applied for subdivision. And if rezoning is approved,

[3:55:11] Planner: then subdivision would be subsequent to that.

[3:55:16] Voice 23: Thank you. The next thing is about the water.

[3:55:20] Voice 23: I don't know if you remember, but I have here a note from September 2020 from William Shulva.

[3:55:28] Voice 23: Now, there is not a report yet from William Schulba.

[3:55:35] Voice 23: And in this note, he was talking about what is needed.

[3:55:40] Voice 23: He spoke first about the management plan, but he said that's one part.

[3:55:46] Voice 23: The other part was that is a pumping test.

[3:55:50] Voice 23: But he talked that the issue also will need a modeling exercise which has not been done

[3:55:58] Voice 23: because there is, in the subdivision, several wells that up to 2,000 liters per day,

[3:56:08] Voice 23: that yet they are not yet developed.

[3:56:12] Voice 23: And the other thing he talked is of interference,

[3:56:17] Voice 23: the knowledge of more impact interference in wells.

[3:56:21] Voice 23: And he mentioned there have been other projects on Gabriela

[3:56:25] Voice 23: where there was a detailed look at well interference and what fractures were providing what water

[3:56:35] Voice 23: to what well, and it actually solved an issue for the community who was really concerned

[3:56:44] Voice 23: about another affordable housing there.

[3:56:47] Voice 23: I would like if Mr. Shulva is asked for the report that is not there yet, and if the local trustees can talk to Mr. Shulva.

[3:57:02] Voice 23: I don't know if you remember, he spoke.

[3:57:06] Voice 6: Oh, I hope we all know.

[3:57:08] Voice 6: You

[3:57:09] Voice 23: don't know, but he did talk in that meeting.

[3:57:13] Voice 23: The third thing that I want to talk.

[3:57:16] Voice 23: You talk about how difficult it is to balance these two sides, the people who are worried, the people who want the affordable housing.

[3:57:26] Voice 23: And you talk about the object of the Island Trust, the environment.

[3:57:33] Voice 23: Now, one of the inconsistencies that for me, and no inconsistency is mentioned in the report,

[3:57:42] Voice 23: But one is easy to see when in traffic assessment, they say there will be 50 or 60 car trips

[3:57:52] Voice 23: per day.

[3:57:54] Voice 23: So I will tell you, Mr. Rogers, that the location is not perfect, it's a bad location.

[3:58:02] Voice 23: Because this location goes against the climate change objectives of the Galliano Trust, where

[3:58:14] Voice 23: where I said, one, to establish climate change

[3:58:17] Voice 23: as a fundamental factor in land use decision-making.

[3:58:24] Voice 23: To move to a land use pattern

[3:58:27] Voice 23: that results in a more compact and complete community.

[3:58:32] Voice 23: In reviewing development applications,

[3:58:37] Voice 23: the Local Trust Committee will assess

[3:58:40] Voice 23: the potential greenhouse gas emissions

[3:58:44] Voice 23: and climate change impacts anticipated to result from the development.

[3:58:51] Voice 23: B. In considering an application for new development, the LTC should ensure that additional density

[3:59:01] Voice 23: is located in areas accessible to existing transportation and services.

[3:59:06] Voice 23: And after you have all from the, not only from the Galeano, from the Island Trust, all

[3:59:15] Voice 23: the things about greenhouse emissions, how to reduce that by reducing the use of cars,

[3:59:22] Voice 23: to put development close to center, and all just to try to reduce greenhouse.

[3:59:30] Voice 23: And Galeano has as a plan following target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 33% by 2020 from 2007, that it didn't happen.

[3:59:47] Voice 23: And if you think that you will put a high density development where practically a car is required, because walking from...

[4:00:00] Voice 23: there with all the hills, I can tell you

[4:00:02] Voice 23: that this is extremely difficult,

[4:00:04] Voice 23: especially for vulnerable population.

[4:00:07] Voice 23: That's the problem with the location.

[4:00:11] Voice 23: That location goes again, it's like in the present,

[4:00:15] Voice 23: you have all this pressure now.

[4:00:17] Voice 23: It's a social pressure because there is this problem.

[4:00:21] Voice 23: But the affordable housing problem,

[4:00:24] Voice 23: the lack of housing that is not only in Galeano,

[4:00:27] Voice 23: it will go on.

[4:00:29] Voice 23: because the pressure will continue because you have to consider the environment because the

[4:00:36] Voice 23: island trust what the idea is to protect and preserve and they have done it and they have

[4:00:43] Voice 23: done it through looking not sure what you need now right now is what you think about the future

[4:00:49] Voice 23: because the future is climate change the future is the crisis and the creation is for everybody

[4:00:58] Voice 23: all these children now in this family will be affected.

[4:01:03] Voice 23: So this is a small step.

[4:01:05] Voice 23: You will say, what happened?

[4:01:06] Voice 23: It's just you take two acres from there,

[4:01:10] Voice 23: two hectares from there.

[4:01:12] Voice 23: Well, bad luck, everybody use a car.

[4:01:15] Voice 23: But you're creating a new development.

[4:01:19] Voice 23: That's the difference I noticed.

[4:01:22] Voice 23: Yes, 12 property, the private property

[4:01:25] Voice 23: will cause all the problem.

[4:01:27] Voice 23: But there you don't have, when you mention that is why to say this about affordable housing,

[4:01:34] Voice 23: there are 12 units, but you don't say the same thing about 12 private properties, but

[4:01:44] Voice 23: you don't have control in 12 private properties.

[4:01:48] Voice 23: It's bad that it happened, but you have control here.

[4:01:54] Voice 23: That's why I say it's not only not perfect, it's a very bad site.

[4:01:59] Voice 23: Everything is site-related, the problems.

[4:02:04] Voice 23: I'm sorry.

[4:02:07] Voice 23: I know that you have to balance all this.

[4:02:10] Voice 23: But why to do this first?

[4:02:12] Voice 23: How for the World Housing Project?

[4:02:15] Voice 23: To a distance.

[4:02:17] Voice 23: That need all this care.

[4:02:19] Voice 23: You know, I live in St. Callison.

[4:02:21] Voice 23: You need an onion and you have to go.

[4:02:23] Voice 23: Oh,

[4:02:26] Voice 6: Camita, as I just say one thing, and then I'm going to ask, we're going to move on is,

[4:02:32] Voice 6: as I told you, this is the application we have in front of us. It's not our application. It's

[4:02:39] Voice 6: not the local trust committee that said, this is where this should go. It's the local trust

[4:02:45] Voice 6: committee that decides whether the application should be granted or not. Okay. So

[4:02:51] Voice 23: I'm sure you

[4:02:54] Voice 6: you do understand and i understand your point of view i've read all of the submissions about

[4:02:58] Voice 6: concerns about the the traffic i've also read the the we've read the uh the the issues around

[4:03:07] Voice 6: or the plan related to uh trying to put some cars in there or some electrical vehicles and i

[4:03:14] Voice 6: appreciate all the points of view and the responses related to that so thank you for your point of

[4:03:19] Voice 6: of you. I'm going to move on to the next person. I saw Jennifer Marguson put her name up, her hand

[4:03:25] Voice 6: up, but I don't see it up now. I know I asked you to put it down, Jennifer, but if you'd like to

[4:03:30] Voice 6: speak, you're welcome to. I think you've been promoted and you can unmute yourself.

[4:03:52] Voice 7: Thank you. Can you hear me?

[4:03:54] Voice 6: Can now. Yep.

[4:04:00] Voice 7: Okay. And I'm very sorry to take up, I'm sure you must all be very tired. This has been a very long

[4:04:05] Voice 7: day for all of us um but this is our opportunity to to speak um directly to the planners and the

[4:04:12] Voice 7: trustees all together and i really appreciate the the the difficulty of of these decisions that come

[4:04:18] Voice 7: before you i mean it's a basic conflict between development and the environment and and that is

[4:04:24] Voice 7: happening everywhere but and that's one reason that um my husband and i decided to live on

[4:04:30] Voice 7: on Galliano full-time was we were very concerned

[4:04:33] Voice 7: about the development that was happening

[4:04:35] Voice 7: around us elsewhere.

[4:04:36] Voice 7: So I was really heartened to hear Chair Rogers mention

[4:04:42] Voice 7: the obligation of the trust before the break

[4:04:46] Voice 7: and the obligation therefore of the trustees

[4:04:48] Voice 7: and the planners to protect the environment.

[4:04:51] Voice 7: And like Carmita, I've been really wondering

[4:04:55] Voice 7: why this has not been a big part of our discussion

[4:04:58] Voice 7: about this particular rezoning up until now um this is what the concerns of our strata and our

[4:05:06] Voice 7: larger neighborhood have all been about and we have really tried to painstakingly document and

[4:05:12] Voice 7: substantiate these concerns over the past few years and um when i first began to familiarize

[4:05:19] Voice 7: myself with the ocp and various other trust documents like the ones karmida's just mentioned

[4:05:25] Voice 7: i really believe that they would offer protection for the environment around us and i suppose in my

[4:05:32] Voice 7: naivete i perhaps took them more literally than than they're meant i don't know but i i would

[4:05:39] Voice 7: just like to um quickly draw your attention to two lines in the ocp um the first page of the ocp

[4:05:48] Voice 7: the preamble and i think this is just really important and i i just want to emphasize what

[4:05:56] Voice 7: it says here and it says as the present generation inherited these islands in a

[4:06:01] Voice 7: relatively preserved state so this plan attempts to perpetuate this state and preserve the unique

[4:06:09] Voice 7: environment for future generations even seemingly small changes can damage or deplete resources

[4:06:16] Voice 7: resources compromise self-sufficiency and distort long-term planning and I think there's a lot in

[4:06:23] Voice 7: that preamble that really has not in my view had sufficient attention in this deliberation around

[4:06:31] Voice 7: this particular rezoning it is not about trying to discourage anti-affordable housing it's exactly

[4:06:39] Voice 7: what Carmita said it's about the common sense of picking the right site and this is a very bad

[4:06:46] Voice 7: site for many reasons and I want to just very quickly try and clarify our concern about the

[4:06:53] Voice 7: road costs which Dan Rogers mentioned earlier and the service corridor now we have been told

[4:07:00] Voice 7: that for the 500 meters of road required to get from the end of the Georgia View paved part of

[4:07:07] Voice 7: the road to the housing site, 500 meters, the cost would be, just to bring it up to private

[4:07:15] Voice 7: road standard, $2,300 to $2,600 a meter. And I'll tell you the math on the $2,300 per meter

[4:07:22] Voice 7: is $1,150,000. Now, that's no longer free land. Very good land could be purchased. And I was

[4:07:34] Voice 7: contacted today about a property um that is close to the village hub where people would not have to

[4:07:40] Voice 7: have cars they would not have to use limited income that they have to purchase and and maintain a car

[4:07:48] Voice 7: um so i just want to to um the the only other thing i just want to say is that in reference

[4:07:56] Voice 7: to water resources which is really one of our primary concerns in the strata there were three

[4:08:03] Voice 7: recommendations in the water line water report that we commissioned our strata commission that

[4:08:09] Voice 7: have never been acted upon or even referred to by the rezoning proponents again and to me these are

[4:08:17] Voice 7: just basic things that could be done to try and offer some reassurance to an area that is very

[4:08:24] Voice 7: concerned about the impact that a high density development development will have on our already

[4:08:31] Voice 7: stretched water resources and those are only three things that data loggers be installed

[4:08:37] Voice 7: immediately in the site well and any adjacent monitoring wells to further assess the seasonal

[4:08:44] Voice 7: water level fluctuations that an aquifer test be completed during the dry season

[4:08:50] Voice 7: and and the second one is um about a um that a qualified wastewater practitioner should be

[4:09:01] Voice 7: be retained to assess the suitability of the site

[4:09:03] Voice 7: for effluent disposal.

[4:09:05] Voice 7: Now it does say in this recommendation,

[4:09:08] Voice 7: although this is not specifically required

[4:09:10] Voice 7: at the rezoning application stage,

[4:09:13] Voice 7: it would be prudent for the proponent

[4:09:15] Voice 7: to confirm the suitability of the site

[4:09:17] Voice 7: for waste effluent disposal.

[4:09:20] Voice 7: And again, that relates very much to the concerns we have

[4:09:24] Voice 7: being downhill from this development

[4:09:27] Voice 7: and the effect of our water quality on our water quality and one of our strata owners Mr. Zinter

[4:09:35] Voice 7: does go into considerable detail based on his experience about his concerns about

[4:09:42] Voice 7: downhill properties and an extremely large septic field so I'm sorry I won't take up any more of

[4:09:48] Voice 7: your time but I really did want to get those points in and that you know it's I understand

[4:09:55] Voice 7: understand the difficulty here but we are a big part of the community in this neighborhood too

[4:10:01] Voice 7: and I don't feel that our concerns have really been taken seriously in the way that I believe

[4:10:10] Voice 7: they are merited to be taken. Thank you.

[4:10:14] Voice 6: Thank you Jennifer. I just feel like I need to say that

[4:10:22] Voice 6: that I think you're right.

[4:10:24] Voice 6: I think, I know that you don't feel like your concerns

[4:10:28] Voice 6: have been taken seriously.

[4:10:29] Voice 6: I can tell you that I've taken them seriously.

[4:10:32] Voice 6: I know the planners have taken them seriously.

[4:10:37] Voice 6: That's the reason why we protect the environment,

[4:10:41] Voice 6: why we asked for a water report,

[4:10:42] Voice 6: why we've had a sewage report,

[4:10:45] Voice 6: why we've had an environmental assessment,

[4:10:47] Voice 6: why we've had a number of different requirements

[4:10:51] Voice 6: for the applicant to deal with.

[4:10:53] Voice 6: So whether you, it's clear, you know,

[4:10:57] Voice 6: whether you think it's adequate or not is your decision,

[4:11:00] Voice 6: but that's when you say we don't,

[4:11:03] Voice 6: you're wondering why you haven't heard

[4:11:04] Voice 6: about the environment until now.

[4:11:06] Voice 6: Well, I would say we've been basically dealing

[4:11:09] Voice 6: with what we consider to be

[4:11:11] Voice 6: the important environmental issues

[4:11:13] Voice 6: since the application first landed on our file sheet.

[4:11:18] Voice 6: So anyway, thank you for your comments and we take and appreciate it all.

[4:11:24] Voice 6: I don't see any other hands up.

[4:11:27] Voice 6: So we're going to close the town hall, which is the end of the meeting, the open portion of the meeting.

[4:11:35] Voice 6: We are having a closed, a short closed meeting.

[4:11:38] Voice 6: So if we could, so what we're going to do,

[4:11:42] Voice 6: if you could make the motion and maybe tell Jane

[4:11:44] Voice 6: to come back for the beginning of that closed meeting,

[4:11:49] Voice 6: that would be great.

[4:11:51] Voice 6: So if you can make that motion to hear it's rated,

[4:11:54] Voice 6: it's under number 19.

[4:11:57] Voice 6: Thank you, everybody.

[4:11:59] Voice 6: Go ahead.

[4:12:00] Voice 15: What page, sorry?

[4:12:02] Voice 6: It's a, sorry, it's on the second page

[4:12:04] Voice 6: of the agenda package, of the agenda itself, 19.1.

[4:12:10] Voice 15: of the closed agenda no

[4:12:13] Voice 6: the open i'll make

[4:12:15] Voice 15: it the meeting be

[4:12:16] Voice 6: closed to the public in accordance with

[4:12:17] Voice 6: community charter part four division three section 91 di for the purpose of considering adoption of

[4:12:24] Voice 6: the in-camera minutes dated october 5 and november 2 2020 and legal advice and the recorder and staff

[4:12:30] Voice 6: attend the meeting all in favor that passes thank you very much we still have 11 people

[4:12:38] Voice 6: have stuck with us we really appreciate it and look forward to hearing from you and we'll see

[4:12:43] Voice 6: you all on or some of you or all of you on april the 12th and don't forget there's a virtual town

[4:12:51] Voice 6: hall on wednesday night at seven o'clock and there's also trust council next week so right

[4:12:57] Voice 6: now so we're going to i think we're going to actually log out of this we're going to close

[4:13:01] Voice 6: this meeting and and Shayla sent us a separate link to the closed meeting so

[4:13:08] Voice 6: we'll just end this meeting thanks

[4:13:09] Voice 6: we'll see you in a second