Islands Trust Council regular meeting, March 10, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 18: well good morning uh council i hope you are all uh rested um it's a beautiful day down here in

[0:00:10] Voice 18: victoria in uh lgonquin territory and um it's uh a real pleasure uh to live and work in the

[0:00:19] Voice 18: coach sales territory as i know many of you are throughout the region i of course am elected on

[0:00:26] Voice 18: on Fetus Island, and that is in the L'Aquitaine and

[0:00:30] Voice 18: Penelope territory, and I'm grateful to be there.

[0:00:36] Voice 18: I'm going to, so for the public's interest,

[0:00:40] Voice 18: this is the Islands Trust Council day two,

[0:00:43] Voice 18: business items today.

[0:00:44] Voice 18: We have a little leftover business from yesterday,

[0:00:47] Voice 18: some motions regarding the policy statement.

[0:00:51] Voice 18: We'll be starting off with those first thing.

[0:00:53] Voice 18: i'm just going to do a bit of a round table um here with everybody that's on

[0:01:00] Voice 18: a call and so just give us a wave i'm going to do the alphabetical order thing again so alex allen

[0:01:11] Voice 18: um hornby island good morning alex uh just acknowledge that you're there because it's

[0:01:21] Voice 18: kind of a roll call so i know where we're at good

[0:01:23] Trustee Allen: morning good morning everyone okay paul

[0:01:26] Voice 18: Brent, Saturna Island. Good morning, everyone. Laura Beshaken, Denman Island. Good morning.

[0:01:34] Voice 18: Cock Coburn, Gabriola Island. Good morning. David Critchley, Denman Island. Hello.

[0:01:43] Voice 18: Janine Dodds, Maine Island. I know she's off at the moment. No, no,

[0:01:47] Voice 7: no, I'm here. I'm here. The

[0:01:49] Voice 7: eggs are delivered. I'm here. Good morning.

[0:01:53] Voice 18: Thank you, Janine,

[0:01:54] Voice 18: for keeping your community

[0:01:56] Voice 18: turning there. Sue Ellen Fast, Bowen Island. Good morning. Doug Fenton, Thetis Island.

[0:02:09] Voice 18: Okay, Peter Grove, Salt Spring Island. Present. Peter Johnson, Laskete Island. Morning.

[0:02:18] Voice 18: Michael Kael, Bowen Island. Good morning.

[0:02:22] Voice 18: Case Longerice, Gabriola Island. Good morning.

[0:02:27] Voice 18: David Maude, Main Island.

[0:02:29] Voice 18: Good morning.

[0:02:31] Voice 18: Ben McConkey, Pender Island.

[0:02:34] Voice 18: Very good morning, everyone.

[0:02:36] Voice 18: Lee Middleton, Saturna Island.

[0:02:38] Trustee Middleton: Good morning, everyone.

[0:02:41] Voice 18: Deb Morrison, Pender Island, North Pender.

[0:02:45] Trustee Morrison: Yes, welcome, and from the traditional lands of the WSAC.

[0:02:49] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[0:02:50] Voice 18: Thank you very much, Deb.

[0:02:52] Voice 18: Laura Patrick, Salt Spring Island.

[0:02:55] Trustee Patrick: Good morning.

[0:02:57] Voice 18: Timothy Peterson, Leskeetee Island.

[0:03:01] Trustee Patrick: Morning.

[0:03:03] Voice 18: Tahira Rockefeller, Daliano Island.

[0:03:07] Voice 4: Hello.

[0:03:10] Voice 18: Dan Rogers, Danbeer Keats, Shostaria.

[0:03:14] Voice 18: Morning.

[0:03:17] Voice 18: Grant Scott, Hornby Island.

[0:03:22] Voice 18: I think Grant has joined the herring spawn, which you probably all noted was on the news last night.

[0:03:28] Voice 18: The season is open this year.

[0:03:30] Voice 18: Kate Stamford, Dan Bear Island. Hello. Good morning. Cameron Thorne, South Pender.

[0:03:40] Voice 18: Jane Wolverton, Galliano Island. Good morning.

[0:03:45] Voice 18: Steve Wright, South Pender Island. I see you

[0:03:55] Voice 18: there, Steve. I guess your mic's not working. So good morning, everyone. Thanks for a great

[0:04:03] Voice 18: day yesterday a couple of little uh items uh at home uh housekeeping i guess i'll call it

[0:04:12] Voice 18: um two things uh delegation um this position of delegations is tomorrow

[0:04:19] Voice 18: um if any of you are considering some uh direction for any of those um delegations

[0:04:26] Voice 18: whom have made recommended motions of course uh not being familiar with how the islands

[0:04:32] Voice 18: trust does business um recommended motions are often not work don't necessarily work in our

[0:04:40] Voice 18: environment and so what i would suggest that if you want to take some action that you uh ask uh

[0:04:46] Voice 18: staff for uh uh recommendation or research the materials in order to uh assist us in that rather

[0:04:54] Voice 18: than being specific i think it would be better to be vague and not taking any specific action

[0:05:00] Voice 18: but that we council would want to consider

[0:05:03] Voice 18: what those actions might be.

[0:05:04] Voice 18: So just keep that in mind,

[0:05:06] Voice 18: talk to staff if you need to in preparation

[0:05:09] Voice 18: for tomorrow's disposition of delegations.

[0:05:12] Voice 18: Is that okay with everybody?

[0:05:14] Voice 18: Any questions on that?

[0:05:17] Voice 18: I don't have my participants screen up yet,

[0:05:19] Voice 18: but I'll get to that in a second.

[0:05:21] Voice 18: So one more administrative item,

[0:05:23] Voice 18: because I'm not sure how long the discussion here

[0:05:26] Voice 18: is going to take this morning for these policy statement,

[0:05:30] Voice 18: motions. I tentatively suggested to staff and they're in support of it that we advance the

[0:05:38] Voice 18: financial planning section ahead of trust area services and local planning committee work in

[0:05:45] Voice 18: order to be sure that we have adequate time today to complete the financial planning work.

[0:05:52] Voice 18: My intention is to give as much the allocated time to each of the areas that we have allocated

[0:05:59] Voice 18: allocated and so that that subsequently does mean as i had warned that we might run into a bit of

[0:06:05] Voice 18: overtime on thursday in order to be sure that we get everything done but i really believe that it's

[0:06:11] Voice 18: important that we have the time to have the conversation that we all need to have in this

[0:06:15] Voice 18: most important work that we do um here so if that's okay just keep that in mind we'll see how

[0:06:20] Voice 18: it all goes this morning um but that's my tentative plan and i'm just going to ask now are there any

[0:06:27] Voice 18: Any concerns about either of those items?

[0:06:30] Voice 18: And if you raise a digital hand,

[0:06:33] Voice 18: I should be able to see that.

[0:06:35] Voice 18: Otherwise I'll continue.

[0:06:36] Voice 18: And I see Trustee Morrison.

[0:06:40] Trustee Morrison: My only concern is how the RFD motion that I had

[0:06:46] Trustee Morrison: relates to the financial planning conversation

[0:06:50] Trustee Morrison: related to the local planning or sorry,

[0:06:53] Trustee Morrison: yeah, the local planning report around moving planners.

[0:06:57] Trustee Morrison: like if that I don't think that will impact financial planning so I think I'm fine with it

[0:07:01] Trustee Morrison: but I just want to flag that right

[0:07:03] Voice 18: okay so CEO Houghton Pillar will help

[0:07:05] Voice 16: us out um you know thank

[0:07:08] Voice 16: you for the question yeah I don't think there's a profound financial implication associated with

[0:07:12] Voice 16: that so whether that conversation happened before the budget or after the budget I think it would

[0:07:15] Voice 16: be a null yeah

[0:07:17] Trustee Morrison: I think the my only concern is that and and I I my understanding is that we will

[0:07:22] Trustee Morrison: actually vote the budget after we have that local planning report because I'm I have concerns about

[0:07:28] Trustee Morrison: voting the budget specifically until I get that dealt with

[0:07:31] Voice 18: that's correct the approval of the

[0:07:33] Voice 18: budget will be Thursday okay we're okay with that so Peter Grove you had a question about

[0:07:41] Voice 18: the plans for today's schedule just

[0:07:44] Trustee Grove: want to suggest that if you think we're going to be

[0:07:46] Trustee Grove: getting into it at the time we do that this evening um after supper rather than doing it

[0:07:50] Trustee Grove: tomorrow afternoon it's going

[0:07:55] Trustee Grove: to be a long day

[0:07:56] Voice 18: and i'm i must say i'm not inclined to make the

[0:07:59] Voice 18: day any longer than it is um and we have uh i did uh notify you that um the potential adjournment

[0:08:08] Voice 18: time was uh flexible and it should be flexible um so i if others uh think that we should go

[0:08:16] Voice 18: later in the day we can but i honestly think that might be a mistake but appreciate your concern

[0:08:22] Voice 18: Peter. Is there anybody

[0:08:24] Voice 18: else or anybody that disagrees with the chair? Okay. So let us

[0:08:31] Voice 18: then continue on. And we will begin with Trustee Wright. You have three more motions in your

[0:08:45] Voice 18: section there, 3.1. And so why don't you start off by, you know, making the motion and speak

[0:08:51] Voice 18: speak to it, and then we can see if there's a seconder,

[0:08:55] Voice 18: and then speak to it, and then we will have the debate.

[0:08:59] Voice 26: Thank you.

[0:09:00] Voice 26: The motion is be it resolved

[0:09:01] Voice 26: as the Local Government Act instructs local trust committees

[0:09:05] Voice 26: to include policies for a variety of housing

[0:09:08] Voice 26: and official community plans,

[0:09:10] Voice 26: housing policies not be included

[0:09:12] Voice 26: in the policy statement of the Islands Trust.

[0:09:16] Voice 26: And that is fairly straightforward.

[0:09:18] Voice 26: The LGA, as you all know,

[0:09:20] Voice 26: instructs local trust committees to include those policies.

[0:09:25] Voice 26: And I think it's redundant and a waste of staff time

[0:09:30] Voice 26: and council's time to repeat

[0:09:34] Voice 26: or to make policies trust area wide

[0:09:39] Voice 26: that most likely will have little effect

[0:09:42] Voice 26: of any on individual housing plans

[0:09:47] Voice 26: plans and projects on local islands.

[0:09:50] Voice 26: And I would suggest that even some of the policies

[0:09:54] Voice 26: and the so-called model bylaws plans

[0:09:56] Voice 26: would have little impact on many

[0:09:58] Voice 26: of the smaller islands as well.

[0:10:00] Voice 26: I don't think, I just think it impacts too much

[0:10:03] Voice 26: on local autonomy.

[0:10:04] Voice 26: So I'd like to hear what other people feel about that.

[0:10:07] Voice 18: Okay, so you moved the motion at the beginning

[0:10:11] Voice 18: and then you gave a bit of an introduction then.

[0:10:12] Voice 18: Would you mind just for clarity,

[0:10:18] Voice 18: removing the motion, and then I will look for a seconder.

[0:10:23] Voice 26: Just okay, be it resolved that as the Local Government Act

[0:10:26] Voice 26: instructs local trust committees to include policies

[0:10:30] Voice 26: for a variety of housing in their official community plans,

[0:10:33] Voice 26: housing policies not be included

[0:10:35] Voice 26: in the policy statement of the Islands Trust.

[0:10:38] Voice 18: Right, so do I have a seconder?

[0:10:40] Voice 18: Case Longer, I seconded.

[0:10:42] Voice 18: And so you have spoken already to your motion, Steve?

[0:10:47] Voice 14: Yep.

[0:10:47] Voice 18: Thank you very much.

[0:10:48] Voice 18: So I'll take a speaker's list.

[0:10:51] Voice 18: And Case, do you want to start off as the seconder?

[0:10:56] Voice 29: Yeah, I support this motion.

[0:10:58] Voice 29: I think that we're really trying,

[0:11:00] Voice 29: we're starting to subsume the powers

[0:11:02] Voice 29: of the Local Government Act and the local community in this.

[0:11:06] Voice 29: When I think of this,

[0:11:08] Voice 29: if the really this kind of policy should be

[0:11:13] Voice 29: in the strategic plan as support for local trust committees,

[0:11:16] Voice 29: not in the trust policy statements.

[0:11:19] Voice 29: Mayor Mrakas, Thank

[0:11:21] Voice 18: you case my next speaker is shaken and then followed by right, I have a number of others okay.

[0:11:28] Trustee Busheikin: Councillor Wendy Gaertner, Thank you i'm going to speak against the motion.

[0:11:32] Trustee Busheikin: Councillor Wendy Gaertner, I think it is the reason we have a policy statement is to give a guidance constraint and shall we say requests requirements on local trust committees.

[0:11:47] Trustee Busheikin: on everything that's done and I don't know why housing should be exempt from that kind of

[0:11:53] Trustee Busheikin: regional approach and the way we pull together as a region why housing would be exempt and not

[0:12:01] Trustee Busheikin: commercial activity or institutional activity or other things I mean housing is is most of what we

[0:12:13] Trustee Busheikin: we, at least in my experience as a LTC member and vice chair, most of what we regulate actually

[0:12:20] Trustee Busheikin: is housing, is people living on the island. These aren't big centers of commerciality. And

[0:12:28] Trustee Busheikin: I suppose tourism is another big one and agriculture, which of course overlaps very

[0:12:32] Trustee Busheikin: much with the ALR. But I think that it is our responsibility to have trust-wide policies about

[0:12:41] Trustee Busheikin: about housing and not leave it as a free for all for local trust committees that could decide to

[0:12:46] Trustee Busheikin: put up giant Soviet style housing, giant apartment blocks. And I mean, and I don't think that would

[0:12:55] Trustee Busheikin: happen. But we need regional approaches, we need limits, we need guidelines around impact on the

[0:13:03] Trustee Busheikin: aquifer, impact on overall density, all of that. And I think it's really important that we have

[0:13:10] Trustee Busheikin: policies and that we flushed and that was already decided at the beginning of the policy statement

[0:13:16] Trustee Busheikin: review to actually include housing and this has been under discussion for many years that the

[0:13:22] Trustee Busheikin: policy statement is is it needs actually more housing uh material to provide guidance for

[0:13:29] Trustee Busheikin: local trust committees and to provide a regional approach okay

[0:13:34] Voice 18: thank you trustee boucher i just

[0:13:37] Voice 18: like to provide some guidance i gotta say i appreciated uh tpc chair morrison's characterization

[0:13:43] Voice 18: in that if um you're in support of something you've already heard that you would say that

[0:13:48] Voice 18: um maybe in this case in favor or against uh whatever the trustee's name might be that has

[0:13:55] Voice 18: said something that you might be in support of but let's try and bring new ideas to the table

[0:14:00] Voice 18: in order to make it flow a little bit better.

[0:14:05] Voice 18: So I'm going to go now to Trustee Rogers and then Patrick.

[0:14:08] Trustee Rogers: Just, sir, just for a note,

[0:14:11] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Johnson's hand was up before mine.

[0:14:13] Trustee Rogers: And I, so I defer to him if he's wanting to speak,

[0:14:20] Trustee Rogers: because he was certainly up before me.

[0:14:22] Voice 18: No, rightfully so.

[0:14:23] Voice 18: That's strange.

[0:14:24] Voice 18: I didn't see Trustee Johnson's hand up until just now.

[0:14:27] Voice 18: But in fact, he was ahead of Laura Beshakian, by the way.

[0:14:30] Voice 18: so it's hard to say how these lists work but anyway let's uh thank you dan let's go to trustee

[0:14:35] Voice 18: johnson because indeed his appears to be first and then we'll go to rogers and patrick and colder

[0:14:41] Voice 15: thank you i don't uh i don't understand why we're doing this why we're going through

[0:14:48] Voice 15: these four motions from one trustee two from another trustee which seem to be setting policy

[0:14:54] Voice 15: about the policy statement,

[0:14:57] Voice 15: when there's this whole project going on.

[0:14:59] Voice 15: We had four motions from Trustee Wright,

[0:15:03] Voice 15: which we've already made into five,

[0:15:05] Voice 15: spent over an hour on it.

[0:15:08] Voice 15: I really don't think that we ought to fight about

[0:15:11] Voice 15: each of these individual things and individual issues.

[0:15:15] Voice 15: They should come as part of the policy project work

[0:15:19] Voice 15: and a part of a coherent package,

[0:15:21] Voice 15: which we conduct on adjust as we go through here public input and make a

[0:15:28] Voice 15: sensible decision on the package and I don't know why we're spending all of

[0:15:33] Voice 15: this time doing this now it there's nothing from staff there's nothing from

[0:15:37] Voice 15: the committee doing this it's just a fight about I want this in I don't want

[0:15:44] Voice 15: this in I want this out I don't want this out and I don't think it's a

[0:15:48] Voice 15: productive use of time i don't think it's going to lead anywhere uh well thank you

[0:15:53] Voice 18: uh peter johnson

[0:15:54] Voice 18: and so i'm taking it then that perhaps you're not in favor of the motion but it is uh every

[0:16:01] Voice 18: council member's right to bring a motion to the table and uh here we are and and they aren't

[0:16:07] Voice 15: necessarily always dealt with first thing in the meeting uh you know parallel to a process that

[0:16:14] Voice 15: we've set up and i think it's wrong to do it and i would like to uh have this go to the committee and

[0:16:21] Voice 15: not to uh decisions now and discussions now i just think it's too ad hoc uh

[0:16:29] Voice 18: i understood i think i

[0:16:31] Voice 18: have to respect the ability of council members to advance motions in a due process that they have

[0:16:39] Voice 18: have done and so i'm going to continue with the next speaker but thank you for your remarks dan

[0:16:44] Voice 18: rogers um

[0:16:46] Trustee Rogers: thank you sir uh you just on that point i just want to point out that of course we did

[0:16:51] Trustee Rogers: consider a motion to defer these yesterday and defeated it rather resoundingly so um i i only

[0:16:58] Trustee Rogers: want to make one point and it it applies to this and presuming the other next two motions is is

[0:17:04] Trustee Rogers: just so you know that if you're considering supporting the motions that i have laid before

[0:17:08] Trustee Rogers: for trust council coming later in the morning,

[0:17:11] Trustee Rogers: these motions are contrary to those motions.

[0:17:14] Trustee Rogers: And that's the only point I wish to make at this point

[0:17:18] Trustee Rogers: is that if you're considering supporting my motions,

[0:17:22] Trustee Rogers: I ask you, I speak against this motion.

[0:17:27] Voice 18: Right, thank you, Dan.

[0:17:28] Voice 18: And so I think what you were trying to say there

[0:17:29] Voice 18: was that if the contrary motions are not supported

[0:17:34] Voice 18: in Robert's rules to be advanced in a meeting where-

[0:17:38] Voice 18: No,

[0:17:38] Trustee Rogers: no, sir. I was not talking procedurally. What I was talking about was notionally and the content of the motion.

[0:17:45] Voice 18: I

[0:17:45] Trustee Rogers: see. I understand. Okay. Thank

[0:17:46] Voice 18: you, sir. So those who want to speak on the motion, I'm going to go to Trustee Patrick, then Colburn, then Morrison.

[0:17:55] Trustee Patrick: I will be voting against this motion. We've heard from so many people at our table and from the people who addressed us last night about the importance of interconnections.

[0:18:08] Trustee Patrick: and that when we look at things in an interconnected way that we come to better solutions

[0:18:13] Trustee Patrick: housing is what's done on these islands it's built it's what's damaging the environment

[0:18:19] Trustee Patrick: and that our solutions that we make will lead and solve so many of the other challenges that

[0:18:25] Trustee Patrick: we're dealing with forest health biodiversity of watershed protection all of those come from

[0:18:31] Trustee Patrick: integrated solutions that look at the interconnections not only are the solutions

[0:18:37] Trustee Patrick: interconnected we're interconnected we are interconnected by our ltcs and when we work

[0:18:43] Trustee Patrick: in an interconnected way we're more efficient and we lead to more better solutions so i i see housing

[0:18:50] Trustee Patrick: as the solution to preserving and protecting the environment not the threat so and oh the other

[0:18:58] Trustee Patrick: thing is i keep harping on regional districts but the wording they use in their strategic plans

[0:19:04] Trustee Patrick: they link or coordinate the land use regulation choices of its members so i think some of these

[0:19:11] Trustee Patrick: words are helpful to think of when we create our policy very

[0:19:16] Voice 18: much trustee patrick i'm gonna go

[0:19:18] Voice 18: trustee colburn and then morrison and trustee bichet can i think you can lower your hand

[0:19:23] Voice 18: unless you wish to speak a second time thank

[0:19:27] Trustee Colbourne: you um i i somewhat echo trustee um peter johnson's

[0:19:32] Trustee Colbourne: words I believe we voted on this almost exact same motion on Bowen Island so I do feel that

[0:19:37] Trustee Colbourne: some of this is you know kind of going back to things that have decided in the strategic plan

[0:19:41] Trustee Colbourne: decision but in light of that I want to return to a question that Trustee McConkie raised yesterday

[0:19:46] Trustee Colbourne: and I and the chair mentioned may have been rhetorical I don't think it was and I think the

[0:19:50] Trustee Colbourne: I spent part of the night last night going through the 908 page agenda package trying to find the

[0:19:54] Trustee Colbourne: part it's on page 47 it's from the legal opinion provided by Bill Bolholzer part of the trust

[0:20:00] Trustee Colbourne: council's role to determine whether such matters related to housing warrant treatment in the policy

[0:20:05] Trustee Colbourne: statement in view of the fact that the local government act requires local trust committees

[0:20:09] Trustee Colbourne: and island municipalities to include housing policies in their ocps and that if the policy

[0:20:14] Trustee Colbourne: statement is silent on those matters there may be less leverage to pursue the trust object

[0:20:20] Trustee Colbourne: as interpreted by the trust council by refusing to approve an ocp that's contrary to or at variance

[0:20:25] Trustee Colbourne: with the policy statement i will be voting against this because it's an environmental disaster

[0:20:32] Trustee Colbourne: to allow this type of abdication of our duty to the trust object thank

[0:20:41] Voice 18: you trustee colbert um

[0:20:43] Voice 18: i saw trustee morrison's hand up and it seems to have disappeared and i'm looking on the screen

[0:20:49] Voice 18: for hands up is there anybody else that wishes to speak on the motion okay i've

[0:20:58] Voice 18: got trustee langer

[0:20:59] Voice 18: Rice, Morrison, and McConkie. So I'm going to go with Morrison and McConkie first as first speakers,

[0:21:04] Voice 18: and then I'll come back to Trustee

[0:21:06] Voice 17: Blago-Rice.

[0:21:08] Trustee Morrison: All right, I'm going

[0:21:11] Trustee Morrison: back and forth about what

[0:21:15] Trustee Morrison: to say about this given conversation so far. I think I want to offer a clarification around,

[0:21:22] Trustee Morrison: around, although I hear what Trustee Colburn just said, I want to offer a clarification that

[0:21:31] Trustee Morrison: I don't think that the trust policy statement is about what LTCs should do holistically,

[0:21:42] Trustee Morrison: because LTCs have many things that inform them. And her statement sort of implied that the TPS

[0:21:48] Trustee Morrison: yes, is what guides all LTC action, and I disagree with that, and maybe I'm misinterpreting, but that's

[0:21:54] Trustee Morrison: just my statement. So what I really think the Islands Trust Act does, as it says, is clarification

[0:22:02] Trustee Morrison: within our context, and so in the context of this motion, there are environmental policies

[0:22:11] Trustee Morrison: about housing in here but not necessarily policies that advocate for housing agreements or

[0:22:19] Trustee Morrison: arrangements and so the way that i read this motion is that we're not including like housing

[0:22:27] Trustee Morrison: agreement type language necessarily in the policy statement but we would put in policies that

[0:22:35] Trustee Morrison: already exist throughout that are environmental policies that restrict housing so like

[0:22:41] Trustee Morrison: residential size or whatever and some of those would be pretty general at the trust policy level

[0:22:46] Trustee Morrison: so um our strategic plan is what weaves together some of the bigger pieces of like affordable

[0:22:52] Trustee Morrison: housing or housing agreements um and other things with low ltc requirements um and the tps so i i

[0:23:02] Trustee Morrison: think that i am in favor of this motion by that interpretation of it i'm

[0:23:11] Voice 18: sure thank you

[0:23:13] Voice 18: and trustee morrison um you did say at the outset that you were seeking clarity i'm not so sure that

[0:23:20] Voice 18: there is clarity to be offered given the interpretive nature of it but i'll turn to

[0:23:25] Voice 18: the cao if he has any thoughts about those contrasts that have been presented project

[0:23:32] Voice 18: presented um

[0:23:33] Voice 16: well very briefly i think this is an all-encompassing motion not a one that's

[0:23:39] Voice 16: parsing out some things will be included and some things won't saying matters you know i read this

[0:23:45] Voice 16: to be housing matters to do with housing would not be included in the policy statement i think that

[0:23:51] Voice 16: would be the the effect of the um approval of this so

[0:23:58] Voice 18: let's uh i'm hoping that's helpful um

[0:24:01] Voice 18: i'm going to go to now mcconkey fast and longer ice

[0:24:07] Trustee McConchie: thanks chair luck and oh sorry

[0:24:09] Voice 18: and janine dodds

[0:24:10] Voice 18: is in there before uh fast so go

[0:24:13] Trustee McConchie: ahead sorry oh no worries sorry trustee dodds is for before me

[0:24:17] Trustee McConchie: no

[0:24:18] Voice 18: before uh fast okay

[0:24:20] Trustee McConchie: thank you yeah so i want to speak in favor of the motion and i

[0:24:23] Trustee McConchie: trustee colburn thank you very much like that's i really appreciate you taking the time to

[0:24:28] Trustee McConchie: to get to the nuts and bolts because there's lots of conversation amongst trustees about feelings

[0:24:32] Trustee McConchie: and wanting to do things but we're not quite sure but the nuts and bolts of how things work

[0:24:36] Trustee McConchie: is really interesting to me so that's a really great comment that you made i really appreciate

[0:24:40] Trustee McConchie: it um my my thoughts are are the following that um i'm concerned that we're not winning

[0:24:48] Trustee McConchie: and we're spreading ourselves too thin uh from from a trust perspective and the trust needs a

[0:24:54] Trustee McConchie: win right now so um what my the reason i'm supportive of this motion is because i'm

[0:25:00] Trustee McConchie: concerned that we are well of course i feel that everyone on this screen is of course in favor of

[0:25:05] Trustee McConchie: affordable housing i mean and subsidized housing and everyone in their ocp and everyone in their

[0:25:10] Trustee McConchie: LTC would do everything to support it what I'm what I'm my my reasoning for supporting the motion

[0:25:15] Trustee McConchie: is to focus the trust and do one or two things really well um and and it's not to not it's not

[0:25:23] Trustee McConchie: against affordable housing it's not against creating housing policies it's that we are a

[0:25:29] Trustee McConchie: limited organization in budget uh in staff time we're a limited organization in how many things

[0:25:35] Trustee McConchie: we can get done i i believe that that we should narrow down what we can do uh because i'm concerned

[0:25:42] Trustee McConchie: we're not accomplishing enough environmental protection given the the you know all the various

[0:25:47] Trustee McConchie: reasons of the the rising seas the the the tree cutting that's taking place so the reasoning for

[0:25:54] Trustee McConchie: my supporting this motion is to get the team focused and to get us on board with with trying

[0:25:59] Trustee McConchie: to accomplish things simply um now i i understand and appreciate everyone's passion for affordable

[0:26:06] Trustee McConchie: and subsidized housing but i'm curious to know for my other trustees as well whether or not

[0:26:12] Trustee McConchie: us uh whether we us creating this type of policy of housing and focusing on housing will in fact

[0:26:19] Trustee McConchie: spread the organization to thing or are my comments misguided i'd be open to hearing

[0:26:24] Trustee McConchie: hearing anyone's thoughts.

[0:26:25] Trustee McConchie: So thank you for listening, Chair.

[0:26:27] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:26:30] Voice 18: So Trustee Dodds,

[0:26:33] Voice 14: over to you on this.

[0:26:41] Voice 7: I thought I

[0:26:42] Voice 7: was after somebody else there, but anyway,

[0:26:44] Voice 7: so what I want to say is I don't support the motion.

[0:26:47] Voice 7: I believe that people, and I don't think,

[0:26:50] Voice 7: I think we get bogged down in this affordable idea.

[0:26:53] Voice 7: I think that our job is to endeavor

[0:26:56] Voice 7: to provide opportunities, options,

[0:26:59] Voice 7: So that people that want to live in our islands at whatever status they have, that they have the ability to live here.

[0:27:06] Voice 7: I think it's important because I think the environment, when people live and have a sense of ownership of where they live,

[0:27:12] Voice 7: and the environmental protection comes with it, developers who come from outside have a totally different attitude.

[0:27:19] Voice 7: I think if people are adequately housed in whatever form we can provide for them,

[0:27:23] Voice 7: then they will appreciate also what we have in the way of environmental protections.

[0:27:29] Voice 7: and makes our communities a whole community.

[0:27:32] Voice 7: To me, unique communities is people and place,

[0:27:35] Voice 7: and we need to continue to focus on people and place

[0:27:39] Voice 7: and not just the environment.

[0:27:41] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:27:42] Voice 17: Thank you, Trustee Dodds.

[0:27:44] Voice 17: I'm now going to go to Trustee Fass,

[0:27:47] Voice 17: Middleton-Rockefeller, Critchley, and then Longerice.

[0:27:54] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair.

[0:27:55] Trustee Fast: I'll be speaking against this motion as well.

[0:27:58] Trustee Fast: and I think I like the idea of focusing trust councils agenda and I think that

[0:28:08] Trustee Fast: actually happens through the strategic plan which is the shorter term it's it

[0:28:12] Trustee Fast: happens within one term of our elected body and I see the policy statement that

[0:28:18] Trustee Fast: we're talking about adjusting here as sort of an OCP of all the OCPs it's the

[0:28:26] Trustee Fast: long-term planning. It includes everything. It's inclusive. And it helps direct or guide

[0:28:35] Trustee Fast: the shorter-term trust councils as they come and go. And so I see it as very important to have

[0:28:44] Trustee Fast: housing policies in that, as other people have talked about. And I'm not going to

[0:28:49] Trustee Fast: go into that more, except to say that I think direction about housing policies is essential.

[0:28:54] Trustee Fast: thank you thank

[0:28:56] Voice 17: you trustee at Middleton thank

[0:29:01] Trustee Middleton: you chair I'm in favor of this

[0:29:03] Trustee Middleton: motion first I won't repeat what trustee McConkie

[0:29:08] Trustee Middleton: said housing is of course very important but the idea being that we create nice

[0:29:13] Trustee Middleton: words in a policy statement in my view holds out false hope to people that the

[0:29:21] Trustee Middleton: the trust council can somehow achieve great deeds when it comes to housing.

[0:29:26] Trustee Middleton: And we all know that that's simply not the case.

[0:29:29] Trustee Middleton: Trustee Patrick talked about how environmentally,

[0:29:33] Trustee Middleton: as did Trustee Colborne, housing is so important.

[0:29:36] Trustee Middleton: I've sat here now for six years where we've fruitlessly attempted

[0:29:40] Trustee Middleton: to have even the slightest bit of influence on the building code

[0:29:44] Trustee Middleton: and achieve zero.

[0:29:46] Trustee Middleton: And achieve zero not because of failings of ours,

[0:29:48] Trustee Middleton: us but provincial legislature is structured to provide no influence for

[0:29:54] Trustee Middleton: us and if you want to talk about the environmental impacts of housing

[0:30:00] Trustee Middleton: You have to talk about the standards to which housing is constructed and uses either latent or energy in an ongoing manner.

[0:30:07] Trustee Middleton: And we've seen that Trust Council may be able to say something along those lines, but it will have zero effect other than aspirational words.

[0:30:18] Trustee Middleton: And I say if we want to use the limited resources of this organization and give ourselves the credibility of taking real action in our communities,

[0:30:28] Trustee Middleton: We've got to strip this organization of words that have meaning, nice meaning in themselves, but no effect in terms of the work and the activities that we undertake.

[0:30:42] Trustee Middleton: Having this motion approved gives still local trust committees the power to do whatever they can find the authority to do when it comes to housing.

[0:30:53] Trustee Middleton: and i think me and trustee mcconkey uh removing it uh from the policy statement really will help

[0:30:59] Trustee Middleton: council focus and be effective thank you thank

[0:31:06] Voice 17: you trustee rockefeller um

[0:31:11] Voice 20: thanks i will i'll

[0:31:12] Voice 20: be voting against this motion um normally i would always lean towards environmental policies being

[0:31:17] Voice 20: more directive to the trust policy statement and ltcs but in this case we rezone properties and

[0:31:25] Voice 20: for housing and that's inclusive of all types of housing so i think it should be included um thank

[0:31:36] Voice 17: you trustee rockefeller trustee critchley thank

[0:31:42] Trustee Critchley: you um first of all i'd like to uh thank uh steve

[0:31:47] Trustee Critchley: wright for bringing this motion forward uh i've appreciated the discussion on it in my view

[0:31:54] Trustee Critchley: the island's trust is about planning land use planning and what is the what is the use that is

[0:32:04] Trustee Critchley: most prevalent as my colleague trustee bushekin has mentioned it's housing that's that takes up

[0:32:12] Trustee Critchley: 95 of our time dealing with applications on housing and i think that if the trust did not

[0:32:20] Trustee Critchley: have something to say about that in the trust policy statement it would be uh very surprising

[0:32:25] Trustee Critchley: and uh i think that our our constituents would really wonder what we were doing uh without it

[0:32:34] Trustee Critchley: But on the other hand, I do hear what is being said by Trustee Middleton and others about

[0:32:40] Trustee Critchley: the seeming impotence of the trust in carrying this subject matter forward.

[0:32:48] Trustee Critchley: It is a continuing source of frustration, but that to me doesn't mean that we just leave

[0:32:53] Trustee Critchley: it out and abandon the field entirely.

[0:32:55] Trustee Critchley: I think we should have something to say about it.

[0:32:57] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[0:32:59] Voice 18: thank you trustee chrisley so i see trustee langerice as a second speaker um and if you

[0:33:06] Voice 18: don't mind i'd like to put myself on the um speaker's list because i have a question

[0:33:09] Voice 18: that i would like to direct at um the cao because uh sitting on executive committee where we uh

[0:33:16] Voice 18: we review bylaws from an official committee plans from ltcs on a regular basis um and we apply

[0:33:24] Voice 18: whether or not uh consideration has been made for the policies and direction and there's no

[0:33:29] Voice 1: conflict and all that

[0:33:30] Voice 18: good stuff i am concerned that if you remove housing policies generally

[0:33:35] Voice 18: which was said which is what it says in the motion remove housing policies not be included

[0:33:40] Voice 18: in the policy statement how is it that we are able um through the policy statement and the

[0:33:46] Voice 18: directives in the policy statement take into consideration thing like things like the provision

[0:33:51] Voice 18: of water, impacts on the environment, all of those things, because indeed, the preserve

[0:33:59] Voice 18: and protect mandate is actually preserve and protect the area with respect to development

[0:34:05] Voice 18: and housing is very much development.

[0:34:08] Voice 18: I don't know that it necessarily is as narrow as that we're not going to have housing agreements

[0:34:13] Voice 18: and support any affordable or other housing.

[0:34:18] Voice 18: So I'm just concerned.

[0:34:19] Voice 18: The question is, are there concerns about implementation of the oversight of the policy statement on bylaws from LTCs if we remove housing policies from the policy statement?

[0:34:37] Voice 18: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[0:34:40] Voice 16: I'll just make a quick response to that.

[0:34:43] Voice 16: that um you'll note in these um there's no staff reporting associated with the motions that have

[0:34:49] Voice 16: come forward and that's because staff reporting is associated with the ongoing project of trust

[0:34:54] Voice 16: programs committee so um that um the staff advice around this is is incomplete at this time that

[0:35:01] Voice 16: works ongoing um and um it would arrive at some time in the future but as chair you know so i just

[0:35:08] Voice 16: want to make sure you understand why there isn't staff reporting associated with these motions

[0:35:11] Voice 16: from at this time it's been referred for the wider conversation um with regards to the specific

[0:35:17] Voice 16: question um granted this conversation is including everything around housing but my mind goes to a

[0:35:23] Voice 16: number of applications that came in front of executive committee um one was on denman island

[0:35:28] Voice 16: um i forget where the other one where there was a question of where do i refer to get my higher

[0:35:36] Voice 16: principle or to contextualize how I should make a decision and there was an absence of policy

[0:35:44] Voice 16: in the policy statement to guide the trustees as they were making their decisions

[0:35:50] Voice 16: around the allocation of water associated with developments or anything else so as such when

[0:35:57] Voice 16: it's referred to EC there's no policy framework so some of these questions I don't think have to

[0:36:03] Voice 16: be very you know if it is considered to include them don't have to be very prescriptive in the

[0:36:07] Voice 16: policy statement but they can provide guidance for decisions um around um environmental priorities

[0:36:15] Voice 16: so so i think that just in its general sense that's um how they could function in the policy

[0:36:20] Voice 16: statement oh

[0:36:21] Voice 18: okay thank you for that that helps me in my decision making and so i'm just going to

[0:36:26] Voice 18: say that i think that some of these questions that i have with respect to housing policies

[0:36:31] Voice 18: within the policy statement, I expect will become clearer

[0:36:37] Voice 18: when staff analyze everything they've heard

[0:36:40] Voice 18: and bring us a report in the future.

[0:36:42] Voice 18: And I would like to consider, I don't want to defer this.

[0:36:47] Voice 18: I just want the work to proceed that we've been undertaking

[0:36:52] Voice 18: to provide recommendations for amendments.

[0:36:55] Voice 18: So thank you for that.

[0:36:56] Voice 18: And so now I see two remaining speakers.

[0:36:58] Voice 18: I see one new speaker and Trustee Lange.

[0:37:00] Voice 18: And I kind of put Trustee Longerice off a couple of times,

[0:37:03] Voice 18: and I think he has something important to say.

[0:37:05] Voice 18: And then I give the last word to Trustee Wolverton.

[0:37:09] Voice 18: I see Doug Fenton's hand has come up.

[0:37:11] Voice 18: So I'm just going to pause for a moment.

[0:37:12] Voice 18: Is there anybody else that wishes to speak to the motion?

[0:37:15] Voice 18: And I would like to call the vote.

[0:37:18] Voice 18: And so it's Langerice, Wolverton, Fenton,

[0:37:20] Voice 18: and I'd like to call the vote.

[0:37:21] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:37:24] Voice 29: Very briefly, the protection,

[0:37:27] Voice 29: we have to look at our policies

[0:37:30] Voice 29: around environmental protection and act upon them

[0:37:33] Voice 29: when we make decisions at the local level

[0:37:36] Voice 29: and at the executive committee.

[0:37:38] Voice 29: So this motion underpins, I think, a broader question

[0:37:43] Voice 29: as to the role of executive committee

[0:37:47] Voice 29: and the local trust committee

[0:37:48] Voice 29: on applying the preserve and protect policies

[0:37:52] Voice 29: that we have, parts three and four.

[0:37:55] Voice 29: If we apply them appropriately,

[0:37:57] Voice 29: Appropriately, there's no issue with housing because they have to try to stay within the framework of the preserve and protect mandate.

[0:38:07] Voice 29: If you wanted to have policies on housing, then there would be policies around housing that doesn't impact the environment.

[0:38:16] Voice 29: It's looking at which way through the lens, through the telescope that you're looking.

[0:38:21] Voice 29: I think we need to look at the impact.

[0:38:24] Voice 29: This is what the trust is all about.

[0:38:26] Voice 29: and the local trust committee the local residents can decide on what form of housing they they want

[0:38:33] Voice 29: to have and are and the the trust role is what is its impact i mean i keep coming back to that

[0:38:39] Voice 29: and um so that's it thank

[0:38:43] Voice 18: you trustee long right so uh trustee wolverton then trustee phantom

[0:38:49] Voice 19: i'm speaking against the motion uh i think there's there's been a there a lot of good

[0:38:54] Voice 19: points have been made uh on both sides of this or on all sides in a way um but i i go back also to

[0:39:02] Voice 19: the interconnectedness of all of our work and i believe that uh housing should remain um sustainable

[0:39:10] Voice 19: communities and housing should remain part of our policy statement okay

[0:39:15] Voice 18: thank you uh trustee

[0:39:17] Voice 18: Mayor Mrakas, Thank you will be some trusty Fenton for the last word sorry

[0:39:26] Trustee Fenton: about that the Okay, so I tackle trustee johnson's big question mark as to why and where in this fits in process.

[0:39:37] Trustee Fenton: Mayor Mrakas, i've been involved in Community discussions and subcommittee discussions for months and the there was opportunity for this to be brought up in a cohesive and or presented to us in a fashion that would allow.

[0:39:52] Trustee Fenton: allow conversation and you know maybe there's a need for a report here there or whatever we can

[0:39:58] Trustee Fenton: work on those things over time that hasn't happened and now we are out here discussing

[0:40:05] Trustee Fenton: it on the fly i struggle with that um and those and then as far as overall i think the

[0:40:13] Trustee Fenton: connectivity so i support uh beshaken and critchley's and laura patrick's working in silos

[0:40:21] Trustee Fenton: and if we don't, even if it's not our mainstay,

[0:40:24] Trustee Fenton: we need to be part of this conversation,

[0:40:27] Trustee Fenton: have a voice at the table.

[0:40:30] Trustee Fenton: Otherwise we're going to have the regional district

[0:40:32] Trustee Fenton: dictating what's happening on the islands

[0:40:36] Trustee Fenton: with respect to this kind of work,

[0:40:38] Trustee Fenton: as opposed to us working with them on these projects.

[0:40:42] Trustee Fenton: I am not in favor of the motion and I'll vote accordingly.

[0:40:47] Trustee Fenton: Thank you.

[0:40:47] Trustee Fenton: all right thank you

[0:40:49] Voice 18: um and i did say that i was going to call the vote and i did ask if there was

[0:40:54] Voice 18: a show of hands and those who wanted to speak um prior and um thank you very much uh vice chair

[0:41:01] Voice 18: morrison for helping me with that um i i'm going to call the vote i'm going to ask for those in

[0:41:07] Voice 18: favor of the motion that's up on your screen please raise your hands those in favor and show

[0:41:21] Voice 18: show of hands on the visible screen as well. I don't see any visible hands. I see four hands

[0:41:31] Voice 18: in favor. Okay. So I'm seeing another hand up. So be sure that you've either raised your digital

[0:41:39] Voice 18: hand. I see your hand up there, Trustee Cahill, that you are in favor. Be sure that you're voting

[0:41:45] Voice 18: voting correctly here and so that makes it five in favor so now lower your hands and those opposed

[0:41:53] Voice 14: please raise your hands and uh so that looks like

[0:42:04] Voice 18: 16 on the screen i see one i see dogs

[0:42:09] Voice 18: so that's 17 including dogs on the screen opposed uh so that fails thank you very much council for

[0:42:19] Voice 18: the really deep meaningful debate here and we'll resolve this as time goes by um i'm going to move

[0:42:27] Voice 18: now uh trustee um uh right um you have a third motion you'd like to advance for council or not

[0:42:36] Voice 18: may

[0:42:36] Trustee Morrison: i just um add something to the conversation before we move another motion certainly thank you

[0:42:43] Trustee Morrison: um so i feel the need to weigh in here a little bit as the chair of trust programs committee

[0:42:49] Trustee Morrison: committee around the way in which we are discussing the motions and not just these

[0:42:56] Trustee Morrison: motions, but all of these motions. I think the first one was a little bit different because it

[0:43:01] Trustee Morrison: was getting at the object of the trust, which is a broad sweeping clarification issue that I think

[0:43:07] Trustee Morrison: was helpful to have conversation around yesterday. I am struggling a little bit because we're

[0:43:13] Trustee Morrison: interpreting different pieces of the motions in very different ways, and it will constrain or

[0:43:18] Trustee Morrison: or expand the way in which the Trust Programs Committee

[0:43:22] Trustee Morrison: work goes forward in ways that may be unintentional.

[0:43:26] Trustee Morrison: So as we go forward,

[0:43:28] Trustee Morrison: like if people are voting down motions here

[0:43:33] Trustee Morrison: because of the argument that we haven't moved forward enough

[0:43:36] Trustee Morrison: on the Trust Program Statement,

[0:43:38] Trustee Morrison: my understanding would be that Dan's motions

[0:43:41] Trustee Morrison: are the similar vein.

[0:43:42] Trustee Morrison: And so I just need people to really think about that.

[0:43:46] Trustee Morrison: Like, is it something that you just wish to push back

[0:43:48] Trustee Morrison: into trust programs committee or are you really trying to make a clarification statement or

[0:43:53] Trustee Morrison: expansion so i just want to name that thank

[0:43:57] Voice 18: you for that trustee morrison um so please lower your

[0:44:01] Voice 18: hands here and uh i'll turn it to trustee right for his third motion and

[0:44:10] Voice 17: you'll bring that up on

[0:44:11] Voice 17: the screen lauren thank

[0:44:12] Voice 26: you it resolved the trust council removed from the strategic plan item 16

[0:44:16] Voice 26: part one, part two, part three, part four, and part five

[0:44:20] Voice 26: associated with housing and that these items

[0:44:23] Voice 26: be referred to local trust committees

[0:44:25] Voice 26: and their local planning staff for consideration

[0:44:27] Voice 26: to include these matters in their local planning projects.

[0:44:33] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:44:34] Voice 18: Do I have a seconder?

[0:44:37] Voice 18: I'm seconded by Trustee McConkie.

[0:44:40] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:44:42] Voice 18: Do you wish to speak to your motion, Trustee Wright?

[0:44:47] Voice 26: Well, I don't think there's much I can say

[0:44:49] Voice 26: given the flavor of the discussion today um if you've read the rfd then i think that's

[0:44:55] Voice 26: self-explanatory so i'll just listen to other people's comments thank you very much steve

[0:45:00] Voice 18: um so as the seconder trustee ben mcconkey you wish to speak to the motion and others can raise

[0:45:06] Voice 18: your hands if you wish to speak to the motion yeah

[0:45:09] Trustee McConchie: i'm in favor of the motion because um there are

[0:45:11] Trustee McConchie: too many items on our strategic plan and we're not accomplishing um enough of our goals to protect

[0:45:16] Trustee McConchie: the environment thanks thank you very much ben um

[0:45:21] Voice 18: any speakers on the motion i see trustee patrick

[0:45:26] Trustee Patrick: yeah i just want to point out in the background section of this uh the the report that was put

[0:45:32] Trustee Patrick: forward it said that the inclusion of this into the strategic plan was entirely political due

[0:45:37] Trustee Patrick: to public pressure and i just want to be clear that um that's not true you know that uh entirely

[0:45:47] Trustee Patrick: it's because it belongs there and it actually isn't enough work that we're doing on the strategic plan

[0:45:53] Trustee Patrick: it so leave it there thank you so

[0:45:59] Voice 16: i'm

[0:46:02] Voice 18: hearing uh some background noise for some unusual reason

[0:46:05] Voice 18: like a radio um don't know what that is um so if you're not speaking please mute your microphones

[0:46:12] Voice 18: phones. And I'm going to go. It looks like the list changed me. But anyway, the speakers I

[0:46:21] Voice 18: presently have on my list are Longerice and Bouchetkin. Trustee

[0:46:30] Voice 29: Longerice, over to you.

[0:46:31] Voice 29: Sorry. Okay. Yeah. Thank you very much. Yeah. I'm just looking at a reading. That's

[0:46:36] Voice 29: a strategic plan 16 double I A. It says that review the trust policy statement to ensure that

[0:46:48] Voice 29: it includes clear and well thought out definition of affordability so what that's saying is we're

[0:46:54] Voice 29: going to put into the trust policy statement a definition of affordability and then i'm presuming

[0:47:01] Voice 29: we're going to then develop and that's going to become a directive that this is afford this is

[0:47:07] Voice 29: the definition of affordability and that's going to apply to the trust committee so the trust

[0:47:12] Voice 29: committees are going to be constrained by whatever definition is put into the trust policy statement

[0:47:20] Voice 29: that that's my understanding of directive that you know if it says you have this is the definition

[0:47:25] Voice 29: that's required if you're going to put forward a bylaw on some housing and and there's an issue

[0:47:31] Voice 29: of affordability and you put in a different definition you you're going to get your bylaw

[0:47:37] Voice 29: rejected another question so that's that's why i'm opposing it i think that

[0:47:43] Voice 29: if you want to do

[0:47:44] Voice 29: a development a model bylaw you spend time on doing that that's fine but but that's just a

[0:47:49] Voice 29: project under the strategic plan that's not part of the trust policy statement so that's why i

[0:47:56] Voice 29: oppose it thank you it's taken away from so thank you

[0:48:00] Voice 18: trustee longer ice um i'm a little

[0:48:05] Voice 18: i'm a little confused here because what we're talking about is amending the strategic plan

[0:48:08] Voice 18: at this point of those items um which is indirectly associated with the policy statement

[0:48:16] Voice 18: but it's to do with the strategic plan um so thank you and i'm going to go to this list keeps

[0:48:22] Voice 18: shuffling around to me my eyesight here but trustee

[0:48:26] Voice 17: beshaken trustee peterson

[0:48:27] Voice 17: uh

[0:48:28] Trustee Busheikin: thank you i i am going to speak against this uh to me it's um somewhat similar to the last

[0:48:36] Trustee Busheikin: motion and we um i believe we even had a motion like this already and this was discussed when we

[0:48:42] Trustee Busheikin: We created the strategic plan.

[0:48:44] Trustee Busheikin: You know, the report we have on the ITPS review so far shows that they've actually done a lot of the work, you know, towards fulfilling what is in Section I and Section II of Item 16.

[0:49:01] Trustee Busheikin: and I think that we can discuss that when the time comes and what should be a directive policy

[0:49:09] Trustee Busheikin: and what isn't and we can see if what's being proposed feels too narrow or not too narrow and

[0:49:14] Trustee Busheikin: that's where that work needs to happen. The last three the third one is well underway it's a small

[0:49:23] Trustee Busheikin: budget item being done by a consultant so it isn't actually taking up a lot of our

[0:49:28] Trustee Busheikin: resources because I agree we need to keep our ambitions focused. But I think it's a $5,000

[0:49:37] Trustee Busheikin: budget item, maybe 10 if it needs a legal review. And it is an item that has been recommended

[0:49:45] Trustee Busheikin: consistently in Islands Trust initiated reports on housing that come from Trust Council. At least

[0:49:53] Trustee Busheikin: two of them have recommended all three of these over like starting in a 2016 report even I think

[0:50:02] Trustee Busheikin: one or two of them go back to the 2011 Islands Trust Toolkit. So because we are careful with

[0:50:09] Trustee Busheikin: our resources these are pending over many years and need to be done and none of them are big

[0:50:13] Trustee Busheikin: budget items or or would require a lot of uh trust resources uh so i uh think it's um wise to keep

[0:50:23] Trustee Busheikin: them in here thank you thank

[0:50:26] Voice 18: you trustee peterson and then

[0:50:27] Voice 14: middleman uh

[0:50:33] Voice 9: thank you chair so i'm just

[0:50:36] Voice 9: uh want to express a bit of frustration at the you know the series of motions um as a member of uh

[0:50:45] Voice 9: trust programs committee working on the policy statement um you know it's it feels like some

[0:50:52] Voice 9: of these motions could be uh uh hamstringing or or sidelining some of the work that the

[0:51:01] Voice 9: committee's been doing and i would have preferred that the committee made recommendations um

[0:51:08] Voice 9: prior to these sort of prescriptive motions coming forward the second point i want to make is that

[0:51:14] Voice 9: we spent a lot of time haggling over the uh strategic plan and i i know i was not the only

[0:51:24] Voice 9: uh trustee frustrated on on how much work it took to get to where we got and so i'm not in favor of

[0:51:32] Voice 9: uh spending more time haggling over the strategic plan again um so that's my second frustration

[0:51:41] Voice 9: um with these motions coming at this time um so i'm not in favor thank you okay

[0:51:49] Voice 18: thank you very

[0:51:50] Voice 18: much um before i go to trustee middleton i just want to let you know it's just been brought to

[0:51:55] Voice 18: my attention that we're apparently going to have a fire alarm test here in the building at 10 o'clock

[0:52:00] Voice 18: so rather i know you enjoying that and so uh i'm going to uh suggest that we reset recess

[0:52:09] Voice 18: at a moment before 10 o'clock just to uh um reduce the pandemonium and then uh we'll reconvene so

[0:52:18] Voice 18: let's do at 10 o'clock ish um let's just say we're gonna recess for five minutes and that'll give you

[0:52:24] Voice 18: a chance to fill up your teacups okay and then we'll continue on so in the in the meantime trustee

[0:52:29] Voice 18: middleton uh the floor is yours thank

[0:52:31] Trustee Middleton: you chair um yeah i i'm i'm in in support of this motion

[0:52:36] Trustee Middleton: and it's not because i am not in support of attainable housing um the measure of success

[0:52:44] Trustee Middleton: when addressing a housing issue is the people who had not otherwise been in a home are in a home

[0:52:51] Trustee Middleton: the measure of success is not a series of words aspiring to help people be in homes that's that's

[0:52:58] Trustee Middleton: that's a measure of failure in my view and so unless we have a concrete plan to actually

[0:53:04] Trustee Middleton: meaningfully provide housing to people who don't currently have it we should not be in this arena

[0:53:10] Trustee Middleton: because we basically set ourselves up for to fail we provide false hope and um you see the energy

[0:53:18] Trustee Middleton: and and commitment of people on salt spring that we heard about especially through letters

[0:53:22] Trustee Middleton: nothing that this council can do in regards its words um is actually going to ease

[0:53:30] Trustee Middleton: the the pain and the difficulty that the writers of those letters have

[0:53:33] Trustee Middleton: and so i say let the local trust committee marshal the resources it can let's be clear

[0:53:41] Trustee Middleton: about what trust council can do and let's um focus in areas where we can make a meaningful difference

[0:53:47] Trustee Middleton: So it looks like

[0:53:54] Voice 18: we lost you pose.

[0:53:58] Voice 18: Trustee Middleton, can you switch to voice only because we're missing?

[0:54:04] Voice 18: Trustee Middleton, can you switch to voice only because we're missing more than half of your trustee Middleton?

[0:54:17] Voice 18: I

[0:54:17] Trustee Middleton: think I've come back now. Yeah, I think I'd more or less finished before I cut out there.

[0:54:23] Trustee Middleton: Well,

[0:54:23] Voice 18: we didn't we didn't know we didn't hear anything you said at the end.

[0:54:26] Voice 18: can you turn your

[0:54:27] Voice 18: video off and just restate the last three sentences sure

[0:54:32] Trustee Middleton: um yeah i i was saying

[0:54:36] Trustee Middleton: basically that um supporters of the motion from what i've heard of myself are not opposed in any

[0:54:43] Trustee Middleton: way to the work of attainable housing um we want to see a pathway forward that results in housing

[0:54:52] Trustee Middleton: and where Trust Council can focus its efforts in areas that will result in success that's what we

[0:54:57] Trustee Middleton: should be focusing on and just be admitting and clear about what we can and cannot do

[0:55:03] Trustee Middleton: at the council level and let local trust committees marshal the resources they can to be effective

[0:55:08] Trustee Middleton: when it comes to attainable housing thank you all

[0:55:12] Voice 18: right thank you I'm not seeing any other

[0:55:15] Voice 18: speakers on the list so maybe we can get a vote in before the fire alarm goes off and so if there

[0:55:20] Voice 18: There are, if we've discussed this enough,

[0:55:23] Voice 18: then I'm going to call the vote.

[0:55:25] Voice 18: So all those in favor of the motion on the screen,

[0:55:29] Voice 18: please raise your digital hand or your hand on the screen

[0:55:33] Voice 18: if you don't have a digital connection.

[0:55:40] Voice 14: Okay, I'm not seeing any on the screen

[0:55:42] Voice 18: and I'm seeing five in favor.

[0:55:47] Voice 18: And so now I'm gonna

[0:55:48] Voice 17: ask you to lower your hand

[0:55:54] Voice 17: and now please raise

[0:55:55] Voice 18: your hand if you're opposed,

[0:55:58] Voice 18: either digitally or on the video monitor screen and I'm just going to say that that carries the

[0:56:06] Voice 18: 16 on my fails or sorry that

[0:56:08] Voice 18: fails thank you CEOs it fails I have 16 on my digital hands and I have

[0:56:14] Voice 18: at least one or two on the video hands so that fails and I am just going to say let's recess for

[0:56:24] Voice 18: let's just say 10 minutes um or or so uh to make sure that we're clear of this fire alarm

[0:56:32] Voice 18: and uh then we'll can and that'll give us the opportunity to um refresh our coffee cups and

[0:56:38] Voice 18: we can start off

[0:56:39] Voice 18: with the i believe what is now the third or fourth uh motion from trustee wright

[0:56:46] Voice 18: thank you everybody for your patience and your conversation and let's recess until five minutes

[0:56:53] Voice 18: it's after 10 okay everybody welcome back um it turns out that what as they say in the movies

[0:57:06] Voice 18: that was a false alarm um apparently it's controlled manually and it can happen anywhere

[0:57:14] Voice 18: between 10 and 12 so um if uh the alarm goes off while you're uh speaking try not to be disrupted

[0:57:23] Voice 18: and we'll just pause until the event uh passes um and we we're going to attempt to intervene

[0:57:32] Voice 18: if the fellow shows up and says i'm going to pull the fire line all right so i i think we have one

[0:57:38] Voice 18: more motion from uh trustee wright and so i'll ask you steve to make your motion and then i'll

[0:57:47] Voice 18: look for a seconder and then i'll give you the opportunity to speak to your motion oh it's all

[0:57:54] Voice 26: all right with council i think i'll just uh postpone uh this uh motion and uh let council

[0:58:00] Voice 26: get on with other business i have to be away uh from the table um very shortly so i won't be here

[0:58:06] Voice 26: to uh be involved in the in the discussion so i'll just i'll let it go thanks so much all right

[0:58:12] Voice 18: so you're not postponing the motion you're withdrawing the motion uh

[0:58:16] Voice 26: sure i'll withdraw

[0:58:17] Voice 26: whatever words you like it works for you okay so

[0:58:20] Voice 18: then that's fine um so thank you trustee right

[0:58:23] Voice 18: for that consideration and in which case then i'm going to move now to section uh 3.2 i believe it

[0:58:32] Voice 18: is um and we have a couple motions from trustee rogers and uh trustee rogers what would you like

[0:58:38] Voice 18: to do move

[0:58:40] Trustee Rogers: my motions please thank you sir over to you so i'm going to move that trust council

[0:58:46] Trustee Rogers: affirm its understanding that the object and not the mandate of the trust contained in section

[0:58:51] Trustee Rogers: Section 3 of the Islands Trust Act includes the concept of protection of healthy and inclusive

[0:58:57] Trustee Rogers: communities, including but not limited to housing and transportation.

[0:59:02] Voice 18: Do I have a seconder for the

[0:59:04] Voice 18: motion on the screen?

[0:59:10] Trustee Patrick: I'll second.

[0:59:11] Voice 18: Okay, thank you, Trustee Patrick. So that's moved and seconded.

[0:59:15] Voice 18: Trustee Rodgers, would you like to speak to your motion?

[0:59:18] Trustee Rogers: I do, but I'm going to speak very briefly.

[0:59:20] Trustee Rogers: I think we've had a very long discussion around this, and part of the intention of my motion is

[0:59:25] Trustee Rogers: just to try and bring an end to that motion,

[0:59:27] Trustee Rogers: to that discussion.

[0:59:29] Trustee Rogers: You've hopefully read my materials

[0:59:32] Trustee Rogers: and I won't repeat them here.

[0:59:36] Trustee Rogers: I put this together, both motions,

[0:59:39] Trustee Rogers: to hopefully, as I say, draw a line under this conversation

[0:59:42] Trustee Rogers: to allow the staff, PPC and the executive committee

[0:59:47] Trustee Rogers: to do their work related to the trust policy statement,

[0:59:51] Trustee Rogers: which has been going on since at least

[0:59:54] Trustee Rogers: the second the last year of my first term uh well i support trust

[1:00:00] Trustee Rogers: Steve's right to raise points of view and the in my view this discussion has has has sort of delayed

[1:00:06] Trustee Rogers: some of the work getting done as particularly at TPC as there's been some controversy about what

[1:00:13] Trustee Rogers: the scope of section three and what we can and can't do I'll just say I have I have not not I've

[1:00:20] Trustee Rogers: tried to and have never quite understood some of the views expressed by others about section three

[1:00:26] Trustee Rogers: of the act other trustees i mean um they didn't accord with the current trust policy statement

[1:00:32] Trustee Rogers: which was uh which was a in in which was um imposed or actually passed by uh trust council

[1:00:42] Trustee Rogers: in 1994 and of course approved by the ministry at the time didn't accord with the legal opinions

[1:00:48] Trustee Rogers: we've received and you'll recall that we we actually did receive legal opinions that were

[1:00:52] Trustee Rogers: contained in the materials. It didn't accord with the review that was done by Trustee Law and others

[1:01:00] Trustee Rogers: in 2010 and 2011. And it didn't accord with my reading. And as it turns out from the research

[1:01:08] Trustee Rogers: that I did, because I went back to try and find the origins of Section 3 in the Act, it didn't

[1:01:13] Trustee Rogers: accord with the origins of the Act either. So I've said all that out in my motion materials.

[1:01:22] Trustee Rogers: But I just want to say one more thing, which is I frankly have never quite understood why we would voluntarily want to restrict our jurisdiction or authority around certain matters that we can include and not include in the trust policy statement, or that we would see as part of our role under Section 3 of the Act.

[1:01:46] Trustee Rogers: We have few enough tools in our toolbox as it is and to address the needs of the islands,

[1:01:53] Trustee Rogers: the islands community and the history of the islands and so what the this motion and the

[1:02:00] Trustee Rogers: next one although I'll just speak to this one effectively does is direct that the work of the

[1:02:06] Trustee Rogers: the Trust Policy Committee continue

[1:02:09] Trustee Rogers: on the TPC and to give some direction

[1:02:16] Trustee Rogers: around what the scope of the work is,

[1:02:19] Trustee Rogers: which is consistent with the current work being done

[1:02:23] Trustee Rogers: around housing, around the environment and climate change,

[1:02:29] Trustee Rogers: and of course, around reconciliation and inclusion.

[1:02:32] Trustee Rogers: So I hope you will support.

[1:02:37] Voice 17: Thank

[1:02:37] Voice 18: you Trustee Rogers. So I'm going to provide the opportunity to the seconder if you wish to speak to the motion, Trustee Patrick. Otherwise, please give me a show of hands and following Trustee Patrick will be Trustee Chrisley.

[1:02:54] Trustee Fast: Can't hear you, Laura.

[1:02:56] Trustee Patrick: sorry thank you i support this motion really uh thank uh trustee rogers for doing the research i

[1:03:02] Trustee Patrick: particularly found the report from the select committee was really enlightening reading and

[1:03:08] Trustee Patrick: and helped amplify every almost every word in the in the mandate statement

[1:03:12] Trustee Patrick: thank you thank

[1:03:14] Voice 17: you very much trustee patrick trustee critchley and hello thank

[1:03:22] Trustee Critchley: you um

[1:03:24] Trustee Critchley: So I'd like to make an amendment to this motion. And if it receives a seconder, then I'll explain or have some words in support of it. But what I'm proposing then is to amend it by adding at the end, the words subject to the paramount object of preservation and protection of the natural environment.

[1:03:50] Trustee Critchley: I'll say that again. By adding the words subject to the paramount object of preservation and protection of the natural environment.

[1:04:09] Voice 18: Okay, so we'll just wait for that to come up on the screen and the opportunity for reflection.

[1:04:19] Voice 17: Does that capture what you intended, Trustee Critchley?

[1:04:29] Trustee Critchley: Yes. Right.

[1:04:33] Voice 17: So is there a seconder?

[1:04:35] Voice 17: trustee rogers oh no

[1:04:37] Trustee Rogers: i have a point of order mr chair oh yes please

[1:04:40] Trustee Rogers: i i believe that that that

[1:04:42] Trustee Rogers: amendment uh changes the nature of the motion and uh and uh that's is not um i guess that's

[1:04:51] Trustee Rogers: appropriate it's not a friendly amendment it's it's uh that's not a point of order i would draw

[1:04:56] Trustee Rogers: that story can can we amend something so that it is caught it is contrary to the actual motion i

[1:05:03] Trustee Rogers: believe actually i'm going to continue i think you cannot amend a motion so that it ends up with it

[1:05:09] Trustee Rogers: of it in a diff of a different nature okay i'm

[1:05:13] Voice 18: just reading this again carefully here um

[1:05:26] Voice 17: yeah so i'm going to

[1:05:28] Voice 18: seek advice it does i think i tend to agree with trustee rogers that this is

[1:05:32] Voice 18: counter to the original motion and so therefore we would have to vote this motion down and would have

[1:05:39] Voice 18: to reword it all together if we wanted to uh create an alternate um ceo hudson i think that's

[1:05:47] Voice 18: the case okay so that is somewhat concerned so i'm going to uh say that this is counter to the

[1:05:54] Voice 18: original motion um and if council is uh okay with that then i'm going to continue on with speaking

[1:06:03] Voice 18: to the motion trustee critchley do you wish to speak to the motion uh whether you're for or

[1:06:08] Voice 18: against it?

[1:06:11] Trustee Critchley: I'll say that I'm going to be against it then in view of this provision not being a part

[1:06:18] Trustee Critchley: of it because I heard from people last night several spoke to the idea that they are very

[1:06:29] Trustee Critchley: concerned about the watering down of the focus of the of the trust and taking away attention from

[1:06:39] Trustee Critchley: from the primary mission, which is preservation

[1:06:41] Trustee Critchley: and protection of the natural environment.

[1:06:44] Trustee Critchley: So far as I'm concerned,

[1:06:46] Trustee Critchley: as far as a number of other people are concerned.

[1:06:48] Trustee Critchley: So unfortunately, that's why I will have to vote

[1:06:52] Trustee Critchley: against this motion as presented.

[1:06:57] Voice 18: Okay, thank you, Trustee Critchley.

[1:07:00] Voice 18: And depending on the outcome here,

[1:07:02] Voice 18: you may want to consider altering motion, I suppose.

[1:07:05] Voice 18: So I'm going to go back to my speaker's list,

[1:07:07] Voice 18: and I've got Morrison and Colburn.

[1:07:10] Voice 18: all

[1:07:12] Trustee Morrison: right i will be speaking against this motion for some of the reasons that trustee critchley

[1:07:18] Trustee Morrison: just named um i have abstained from the last two motions that this one is more in line with what

[1:07:24] Trustee Morrison: we were talking about in the very first motion that trustee wright um gave about defining the

[1:07:29] Trustee Morrison: object and i think it's really broad sweeping and important that we're clear on what we're

[1:07:34] Trustee Morrison: understanding around the object because that's going to guide everything that is in or out of

[1:07:40] Trustee Morrison: bounds as related to the trust policy statement. And I heard very clearly yesterday in conversation

[1:07:47] Trustee Morrison: that environmental protection was really critical. I heard very clearly last night at the town hall

[1:07:52] Trustee Morrison: from multiple community members, as has been stated, that environment should be,

[1:08:00] Trustee Morrison: environmental protection should be a prioritized idea. That of course is not to say that we are

[1:08:08] Trustee Morrison: are not having sustainable communities.

[1:08:10] Trustee Morrison: And I think the thing that we're getting

[1:08:12] Trustee Morrison: a little bit lost on here, honestly,

[1:08:16] Trustee Morrison: is that when we say language like sustainable communities,

[1:08:23] Trustee Morrison: and then somebody says, you know,

[1:08:25] Trustee Morrison: we should have this in, or we should have this out,

[1:08:27] Trustee Morrison: or we're talking at the 30,000 foot level.

[1:08:32] Trustee Morrison: And the entire act of engaging in,

[1:08:36] Trustee Morrison: I'm sorry, I'm deeply frustrated. I am deeply frustrated by this right now. So just let me get

[1:08:45] Trustee Morrison: a grip. So what we're trying to do in all the work that has been done in the Trust Programs

[1:08:54] Trustee Morrison: Committee is actually get into the details and provide serious specifics. Because when we're

[1:09:01] Trustee Morrison: talking in generalities like this, I feel like we get lost in words and we do not have a shared

[1:09:07] Trustee Morrison: meaning for these words right now. I think we're getting much closer to that in the working groups.

[1:09:12] Trustee Morrison: While I think I was very far away from what Trustee Colburn was thinking around sustainable

[1:09:17] Trustee Morrison: communities at the beginning, I actually think we're much closer in some ways now.

[1:09:21] Trustee Morrison: But when we talk in language that's really general like this and you're dictating it

[1:09:26] Trustee Morrison: at this level without seeing what these policies might look like, I am very concerned about this

[1:09:32] Trustee Morrison: whole process right now um as i've expressed earlier so i think we need to understand that

[1:09:39] Trustee Morrison: for sustainable communities the trust policy statement is by design like the trust act

[1:09:46] Trustee Morrison: trying to help us understand how to live sustainably in the trust area that is what we are

[1:09:53] Trustee Morrison: doing in the trust policy statement okay so of course we are not trying to eliminate communities

[1:10:00] Trustee Morrison: from the trust policy area or from the trust area.

[1:10:03] Trustee Morrison: So I am emphatically against this.

[1:10:06] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[1:10:09] Voice 18: Thank you, Trustee Morrison.

[1:10:12] Voice 18: I just feel obligated to note

[1:10:14] Voice 18: because Trustee Morrison mentioned it there

[1:10:17] Voice 18: about abstaining.

[1:10:19] Voice 18: There is no such thing as abstaining.

[1:10:21] Voice 18: If you do not vote,

[1:10:24] Voice 18: your presence in the meeting

[1:10:27] Voice 18: forces us to consider you as voting in favor.

[1:10:32] Voice 18: Yes,

[1:10:32] Trustee Morrison: I understand that, Chair.

[1:10:33] Trustee Morrison: Thank you for the clarification.

[1:10:35] Trustee Morrison: And still, ethically, I just couldn't vote on the last two because I feel like the work

[1:10:39] Trustee Morrison: should be in Trust Policy Committee.

[1:10:41] Voice 18: Yeah, understood.

[1:10:41] Voice 18: I just want to be sure that all the trustees know that all votes count.

[1:10:46] Voice 18: If you don't want to vote, you need to not be in the room.

[1:10:48] Voice 18: And then that changes the count.

[1:10:52] Voice 18: So and thank you, Trustee Morrison, for your heartfelt thoughts there.

[1:10:57] Voice 18: So Trustee Coburn, Stamford, Brent, and then back to Rogers as a second time.

[1:11:04] Trustee Colbourne: I'm going to pass at this time.

[1:11:06] Trustee Colbourne: I think I'm a process person, and I just want to thank Trustee Rogers.

[1:11:13] Trustee Colbourne: The context and the research and the effort that he put in has broadened my understanding

[1:11:18] Trustee Colbourne: of it all.

[1:11:20] Trustee Colbourne: The process we've undergone with some of these debates, the way that we almost voted on a

[1:11:27] Trustee Colbourne: a motion related to First Nations cultural heritage, which if you take it out of context

[1:11:32] Trustee Colbourne: and just put it there in the minutes, and I couldn't vote for it and I couldn't vote against

[1:11:35] Trustee Colbourne: it. I'm being placed in a position here where I'm feeling I'm being disrespectful no matter which way

[1:11:42] Trustee Colbourne: I jump. And it's not Trustee Rogers' fault. It's not Trustee Wright's fault. There isn't a blame

[1:11:48] Trustee Colbourne: here to lay. I'm just expressing what Trustee Morrison has as well. I believe the material

[1:11:53] Trustee Colbourne: material that we've collected helps us in these conversations with community members as we get

[1:11:59] Trustee Colbourne: closer understanding what the heck we're all talking about and the proof will be in the

[1:12:03] Trustee Colbourne: pudding when we see the work that this committee is doing and the work that has gone into the

[1:12:07] Trustee Colbourne: engagement and the voices that have been raised from First Nations engagement through to the

[1:12:12] Trustee Colbourne: community members taking part in surveys or sending us letters so I think it's all adding

[1:12:17] Trustee Colbourne: up to something it's along the way i feel like it's adding up to the potential to make very

[1:12:23] Trustee Colbourne: grave errors so um it's an uncomfortable position and i'm in my own living room it's a strange world

[1:12:32] Voice 18: thank you trustee colbert um so on the motion before us just the i'm sure this just jumps

[1:12:39] Voice 18: around stanford brent and rogers is what is showing me at the moment uh

[1:12:45] Trustee Stamford: thank you chair

[1:12:46] Trustee Stamford: I'm just going to speak to the process again I all these motions are are we're debating the

[1:12:54] Trustee Stamford: policy statement as a whole and each motion includes and doesn't include certain things

[1:13:00] Trustee Stamford: and the experience yesterday where I was put in felt that I was put in a position of

[1:13:08] Trustee Stamford: of by exclusion voting for something that happened to be exclusionary just in its wording

[1:13:15] Trustee Stamford: uh put me in a very awkward position i don't think this is the right process to debate the

[1:13:22] Trustee Stamford: policy statement as a whole and that seems to be what we're doing step by step and every time we

[1:13:30] Trustee Stamford: look at a specific motion because it doesn't include everything with which the policy statement

[1:13:36] Trustee Stamford: stands for then it becomes exclusionary i don't think that's the intent but that seems to be

[1:13:42] Trustee Stamford: what's happening and we are putting ourselves into a corner i want to see this process played out

[1:13:49] Trustee Stamford: and i want to see a proper um arena for which we can discuss the policy policy statement in wider

[1:13:59] Trustee Stamford: context and have a much more considered way of including everything rather than doing this step

[1:14:06] Trustee Stamford: by step so i'm speaking to the process i'm not going to speak to the motion itself okay

[1:14:16] Voice 17: So it's helpful to

[1:14:18] Voice 18: everybody to speak to the motion, I think.

[1:14:20] Voice 18: And I totally

[1:14:21] Voice 18: respect what you're saying.

[1:14:22] Voice 18: So Trustee Brent, Rogers, Fast.

[1:14:26] Voice 8: Okay, well, I am going to speak in favor of the motion.

[1:14:31] Voice 8: I hear that we're not eliminating community, but there seems to be a problem when we say we're going to include communities.

[1:14:39] Voice 8: So I wonder what people are thinking, all of those people who may or may not be listening in on exactly what we're doing here.

[1:14:50] Voice 8: And it looks like in some cases we're excluding communities.

[1:14:54] Voice 8: And I don't think that's that's really what the trust policy statement is like in terms of the process.

[1:15:01] Voice 8: We were supposed to have a day long dialogue on the trust policy statement.

[1:15:07] Voice 8: So I think it's valuable to hear from trustees that are not part of Trust Programs Committee, just as it's valuable to look back in time at what other trustees think and what community members think.

[1:15:23] Voice 8: And so I think, I mean, we have, there's been communities here for time immemorial.

[1:15:30] Voice 8: There's been communities here since the foundation start of the trust.

[1:15:35] Voice 8: and we are impacted by things like housing and transportation it's just a reality and so it

[1:15:43] Voice 8: should be part of what we at least look at i'm not worried about the environment because it's

[1:15:50] Voice 8: specifically noted as a something in our object it's it's an absolute so yes it's there it's

[1:15:59] Voice 8: it's foundational so i'm in support of this cheers okay thank

[1:16:05] Voice 8: you trustee rogers fast

[1:16:06] Voice 18: and if i don't see any speakers um after fast then i'll call the vote don't oh i see trustee

[1:16:16] Voice 18: dodds

[1:16:16] Voice 17: that's right thank

[1:16:18] Trustee Rogers: you and i i i i want to be i guess i'm frustrated too because um

[1:16:26] Trustee Rogers: I drafted this motion partly in response to the motions that we had to put in for front of us in December, but also because my very clear understanding from the TPC and the discussions of the TPC was they wanted, the TPC wanted to know what the scope of the discussion that the TPC and the work that was being done at TPC should be.

[1:16:53] Trustee Rogers: because they didn't want materials to come back from TPC to Trust Council

[1:16:59] Trustee Rogers: that were not going to be expected.

[1:17:01] Trustee Rogers: And what occurred at TPC was this discussion about that tension

[1:17:05] Trustee Rogers: we've been talking about for the last day and a half or day and half a morning

[1:17:11] Trustee Rogers: between housing and other issues related to the community and the environment.

[1:17:17] Trustee Rogers: And I don't think that tension needs to exist

[1:17:20] Trustee Rogers: exist, because I think they're all, they're both important. And as I would say, of course we have

[1:17:29] Trustee Rogers: to consider the environment. Of course we have to prioritize environmental and ecosystem protection.

[1:17:35] Trustee Rogers: It's in the object. That's why the word includes there, is there, to clarify in my submission,

[1:17:43] Trustee Rogers: Commission to clarify for our work going forward that we will consider part five and the work

[1:17:53] Trustee Rogers: around healthy communities in our work going forward with the trust community.

[1:17:59] Trustee Rogers: So that trust, sorry, the trust policy.

[1:18:02] Trustee Rogers: So that's, I just want to be clear about that.

[1:18:05] Trustee Rogers: I was hoping that the way I wrote it out, that that was clear and that it would provide

[1:18:12] Trustee Rogers: provide that kind of context for the work going forward but would resolve and as I said draw a

[1:18:18] Trustee Rogers: line under this discussion so that the important work of the committee can go ahead and not be

[1:18:24] Trustee Rogers: stuck in this in this endless debate around what how much work they should be doing so that I just

[1:18:30] Trustee Rogers: want to be clear thank you for listening to me

[1:18:35] Voice 18: okay thank you and so now I see two hands up

[1:18:40] Voice 18: up. And so I'm going to take that as an indication that those

[1:18:43] Voice 18: are the last two speakers. And trustee Fast and Dodds. Oh,

[1:18:49] Voice 18: sorry, trustee. I'm going to defer if you don't mind trustee

[1:18:54] Voice 18: Fast and trustee Dodds, because I think that there's a bit of a

[1:18:57] Voice 18: disadvantage in participating remotely. And so Dodds, Fast,

[1:19:02] Voice 18: Colburn, and I will call the question. And we'll need your

[1:19:12] Voice 18: microphone on Janine.

[1:19:15] Voice 6: one and not the other i think it's important that we remember that these

[1:19:22] Voice 6: i can

[1:19:25] Voice 18: you turn your video off uh trustee dodge is breaking up your audio

[1:19:40] Voice 14: trustee dodge can you turn off your video

[1:20:02] Voice 7: I support the motion. Thank you.

[1:20:08] Voice 18: Trustee Dodds, all we got there was I support the motion. Thank you.

[1:20:12] Voice 18: um sorry

[1:20:13] Voice 7: but yeah that's good enough i i have a bad signal where i am but i think it's important

[1:20:19] Voice 7: that we remember that the trust is only a small part of our history and that there's a lot of

[1:20:24] Voice 7: history before the trust got here and that history is important and i don't think my community

[1:20:29] Voice 7: it is prepared to lose it and it does include housing and trade all

[1:20:35] Voice 18: right so i think you have

[1:20:36] Voice 18: and then confirm that you're in favor of the motion.

[1:20:39] Voice 18: So thank you.

[1:20:42] Voice 18: Trustee Fast and Colburn, and then we'll call the question.

[1:20:46] Voice 18: And there's always somebody

[1:20:47] Voice 18: that wants to throw their hands up,

[1:20:48] Voice 18: but I think I said Fast and Colburn

[1:20:50] Voice 18: will call the question, thank you.

[1:20:53] Trustee Fast: Thank you for the good discussion, trustees,

[1:20:56] Trustee Fast: and thanks for this submission, Trustee Rogers,

[1:20:59] Trustee Fast: because I really appreciated the background information

[1:21:02] Trustee Fast: that you dug out.

[1:21:03] Trustee Fast: I was inclined not to vote for this because all of these process questions or problems, frustrations, I guess I should say, and that's the reason I proposed to postpone them all at the beginning and seconded that motion of David Critchley's.

[1:21:25] Trustee Fast: however um i noticed that as dan has said uh the word is not prioritized the word in there is

[1:21:34] Trustee Fast: includes and i think that this might uh so the point is that this might i'm going to vote in

[1:21:43] Trustee Fast: favor because i don't want to have this decision this motion come up again as it's come up uh and

[1:21:49] Trustee Fast: and taken more time.

[1:21:51] Trustee Fast: I think the,

[1:21:54] Trustee Fast: and also as Trustee Brent said,

[1:21:58] Trustee Fast: it doesn't preclude the environment

[1:22:00] Trustee Fast: and the priority of that.

[1:22:01] Trustee Fast: So I'm going to vote in favor

[1:22:03] Trustee Fast: so that we set this question to rest.

[1:22:06] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:22:09] Voice 18: Trustee Colburn with the final word.

[1:22:13] Trustee Colbourne: Yes, the final word is I feel like in my previous response,

[1:22:16] Trustee Colbourne: I spoke to the frustrations of process

[1:22:17] Trustee Colbourne: and responded to Trustee Morrison,

[1:22:19] Trustee Colbourne: but for the reasons that Trustee Brent

[1:22:22] Trustee Colbourne: has put forward and that the object of the trust is to protect preserve and protect the environment

[1:22:25] Trustee Colbourne: and that's a paradigm piece of it i will be voting in favor of this motion as it's presented to us

[1:22:30] Trustee Colbourne: and with thanks to the mover thank you

[1:22:33] Voice 18: and that there is the beauty of debate because it allows

[1:22:36] Voice 18: us to consider everyone's point of view and i'm very pleased that all of us have done that and

[1:22:42] Voice 18: so now uh we'll determine the outcome here and i'll ask for those in favor of the motion on the

[1:22:49] Voice 18: screen please raise your digital hands and if you're not connected digitally raise your analog

[1:22:55] Voice 18: hand your video

[1:22:56] Voice 7: i'm voting in favor the host has shut off my video okay so uh dodds in favor

[1:23:07] Voice 18: and i'm seeing it looks like 14 uh and 13 in favor on the screen here um and so now if you can

[1:23:17] Voice 18: lower your hands 14 in total then with dots 14 so 15 in total with myself and dots 15

[1:23:28] Voice 18: please lower your hands all right so i'm seeing all hands lowered so now those opposed to the

[1:23:37] Voice 18: motion on the screen and

[1:23:45] Voice 14: any hands on the video screen

[1:23:47] Voice 18: up not seeing any on the screen i'm seeing

[1:23:52] Voice 18: being four hands opposed.

[1:23:55] Voice 18: And so that motion carries.

[1:23:58] Voice 18: Thank you very much for the debate.

[1:24:02] Voice 18: Trustee Rogers, I believe you have one more motion.

[1:24:06] Trustee Rogers: And I'm hoping this will go much more quickly.

[1:24:09] Trustee Rogers: I move that the trust council

[1:24:10] Trustee Rogers: request the trust programs committee

[1:24:12] Trustee Rogers: and executive committee continue their work

[1:24:14] Trustee Rogers: on developing proposals for revamping

[1:24:16] Trustee Rogers: the trust policy statement

[1:24:18] Trustee Rogers: in accord with the current project charter,

[1:24:21] Trustee Rogers: INCLUDING POLICY RELATED TO

[1:24:23] Trustee Rogers: SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES AND

[1:24:24] Trustee Rogers: AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

[1:24:25] Trustee Rogers: ALL RIGHT.

[1:24:29] Voice 18: THANK YOU.

[1:24:29] Voice 18: SO DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THE

[1:24:31] Voice 18: MOTION?

[1:24:32] Voice 18: I SEE TRUSTEE WOLVERTON

[1:24:34] Voice 18: SECONDING THE MOTION.

[1:24:35] Voice 18: THANK YOU.

[1:24:36] Voice 18: AND SO TRUSTEE ROGERS, DO YOU

[1:24:38] Voice 18: WANT TO SPEAK TO YOU?

[1:24:39] Trustee Rogers: NO.

[1:24:40] Trustee Rogers: I THINK WHAT I SAID ON MY

[1:24:41] Trustee Rogers: SECOND GO AROUND LAST TIME IS

[1:24:43] Trustee Rogers: REFLECTIVE OF WHAT I'M TRYING

[1:24:45] Trustee Rogers: TO DIRECTLY INDICATE HERE AND

[1:24:48] Trustee Rogers: GET THE PROCESS MOVING.

[1:24:50] Trustee Rogers: SO THAT'S ALL

[1:24:51] Trustee Rogers: I HAVE TO SAY.

[1:24:52] Trustee Rogers: THANK YOU.

[1:24:52] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Thank you, thank you so as

[1:24:53] Trustee Rogers: I see my speakers list

[1:24:54] Voice 18: evolving i'll go to trustee wolverton and secondary for to start us off on the speaker's list, if you wish yeah

[1:25:03] Voice 19: no, I think I think we've heard a lot this morning i'm speaking in favor of the motion and.

[1:25:11] Voice 19: Mayor Mrakas, And I appreciate the work that trust programs committee is doing, and I want to see it continue with this, thank you so trustee

[1:25:20] Voice 18: peterson and be shaken as my first two speakers.

[1:25:23] Voice 18: uh

[1:25:25] Voice 9: thank you chair i'm generally in favor of this motion um i would suggest a an amendment

[1:25:32] Voice 9: that uh i'll leave it to trustee rogers to decide if it's friendly and that would be to replace

[1:25:37] Voice 9: the word revamping with revising yeah

[1:25:44] Trustee Rogers: that's fine with me all right okay trustee bishakan

[1:25:57] Voice 14: I

[1:25:58] Trustee Busheikin: will speak in favour of the motion. This is really the key motion of these six that originally

[1:26:07] Trustee Busheikin: were slated to be proposed today. I am impressed with the work done. The interim report we have in

[1:26:14] Trustee Busheikin: our agenda shows that there is really well thought out, sophisticated work being done. I was very

[1:26:23] Trustee Busheikin: very happy to see it.

[1:26:24] Trustee Busheikin: And I agree with Trustee Morrison

[1:26:26] Trustee Busheikin: is when we start looking at the details,

[1:26:29] Trustee Busheikin: that is where some people say it's gone.

[1:26:31] Trustee Busheikin: Some people say it's the devil.

[1:26:33] Trustee Busheikin: It's there in the actual policies

[1:26:34] Trustee Busheikin: as they start to be fleshed out.

[1:26:36] Trustee Busheikin: And I look forward to discussing that more.

[1:26:40] Trustee Busheikin: I'm excited at the work being done

[1:26:42] Trustee Busheikin: and I commend the committee and onward

[1:26:45] Trustee Busheikin: according to the project chart.

[1:26:49] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:26:50] Voice 18: Are there any other speakers on the motion before us?

[1:26:55] Voice 18: and Laura I'll get you to lower your hand any other speakers one more time

[1:27:05] Voice 18: no speakers so I'll call for the vote then all those in favor and

[1:27:18] Voice 14: on the screen I see trustee

[1:27:20] Voice 14: Dodds one

[1:27:22] Voice 18: in favor and I see 16 on the list and myself so that will make 18 in favor so please

[1:27:32] Voice 18: please lower your hands and

[1:27:41] Voice 14: for due process

[1:27:42] Voice 18: those opposed.

[1:27:52] Voice 18: Okay, there are three opposed.

[1:27:54] Voice 18: And so that motion also carries.

[1:27:59] Voice 18: Okay, very good.

[1:28:00] Voice 18: Thank you, council.

[1:28:01] Voice 18: We have a motion.

[1:28:04] Voice 18: Oh, okay.

[1:28:05] Voice 18: Trustee Kittsley wants to make a motion

[1:28:09] Voice 18: on this topic.

[1:28:12] Voice 18: Go ahead.

[1:28:15] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[1:28:16] Trustee Critchley: Thank you. So, being as my previous amendment proposal was ruled out of order, I'd like to make the following motion.

[1:28:25] Trustee Critchley: I move that Trust Council affirm its understanding that the paramount object of the Islands Trust Act is protection and preservation of the natural environment.

[1:28:38] Trustee Critchley: Do I have a seconder?

[1:28:42] Voice 18: I will second that.

[1:28:44] Voice 18: Trustee Langerhuis had his hand up there.

[1:28:46] Voice 18: So that's duly moved and seconded and the motion is up on the screen or is your do you need more information, right?

[1:29:00] Voice 18: Yes, object of the Islands Trust Act is so trustee Christy.

[1:29:05] Voice 18: Can you say that again, please? Yes, i'm just gonna hold on.

[1:29:10] Trustee Critchley: I move that trust council affirm its understanding that the paramount object of the Islands Trust Act is protection and preservation of the natural environment.

[1:29:23] Trustee Critchley: And paramount requires another A.

[1:29:35] Voice 18: Is that your motion, Trustee Critchley, up on the screen?

[1:29:41] Trustee Critchley: Yes.

[1:29:44] Voice 18: And Trustee Langerheis, is that the motion that you wish to second?

[1:29:49] Voice 18: Right.

[1:29:50] Voice 18: You wish to speak to your motion, Trustee Critchley.

[1:29:53] Trustee Critchley: Yes, just briefly. I've long held the view that this.

[1:30:00] Trustee Critchley: idea of communities as being part of our mandate is a legitimate one, but to raise it in the form

[1:30:12] Trustee Critchley: in which the motion that we have just passed is seems to me to elevate it to a position of

[1:30:20] Trustee Critchley: equality in effect with what I perceive to be our main marching orders under this act,

[1:30:28] Trustee Critchley: which is preservation and protection of natural environment.

[1:30:31] Trustee Critchley: And so if we are going to explicitly put in that provision,

[1:30:39] Trustee Critchley: I think we need to have the ordering and confirm that our main priority here is the natural environment throughout.

[1:30:49] Trustee Critchley: And I'll say no more. Thank you.

[1:30:53] Voice 18: Thank you, Trustee Kudlick.

[1:30:55] Voice 18: So I'm going to start with the speaker's list, which I have four names on so far,

[1:31:00] Voice 18: but I'm going to start with the second, Trustee Longerice, and then Peterson, Brent, Patrick, and Boucher, and Johnson.

[1:31:07] Voice 29: Yeah, thank you.

[1:31:08] Voice 29: Yeah, what Trustee Christie just said is my premise for supporting this motion.

[1:31:14] Voice 29: And I've said this a number of times in submissions to trustees about the priority of the Islands Trust Act and the Municipal Act slash Local Government Act mandates and to just reflect that so I support it.

[1:31:30] Voice 29: Thank you.

[1:31:33] Voice 18: Trustee Peterson-Brent, Patrick Boucherkin-Johnson, and I will put my own name on the list. Go ahead Trustee Peterson.

[1:31:40] Voice 9: Mayor Mrakas, Thanks

[1:31:40] Voice 9: chair chair yeah I just wanted to draw your attention in case you did not see the chat from trustee Morrison has moved to the phone and we'll have to do votes verbally I just wanted to draw your attention to that so perhaps you can remember to ask her for her vote when we get to vote, thank you.

[1:31:57] Voice 18: Mayor Mrakas, Thank you very much for that and trustee Brent.

[1:32:00] Voice 18: Brent.

[1:32:04] Voice 8: Well, I'm wondering if I'm a little bit I'm struggling a bit with this because, you know, when I look at paramount, it's more important.

[1:32:14] Voice 8: It means more important than anything else. It's supreme. And then I look at the definitions of the natural environment.

[1:32:20] Voice 8: And, you know, one of them says it encompasses all living and non-living things occurring naturally.

[1:32:26] Voice 8: But it also says in contrast to the natural environment is the built environment.

[1:32:31] Voice 8: So I'm just wondering if the framers in 1974 meant for us only to be focusing on the natural environment and to then and if it's supreme, then we would not have any built environment.

[1:32:49] Voice 8: And it strikes me that this is, I understand the sentiments, we all understand how important it is that we protect the natural environment on these islands.

[1:33:00] Voice 8: But, you know, we are living on these islands. First Nations have lived on these islands since time immemorial.

[1:33:08] Voice 8: And I worry sometimes that we exclude humans from from from this environment isn't the right thing.

[1:33:18] Voice 8: If the framers in 74 wanted it solely to be the natural environment,

[1:33:25] Voice 8: they would have just frozen all development one time and then slowly acquired all of the

[1:33:33] Voice 8: built environment and returned it back into natural environment. I think this just takes

[1:33:38] Voice 8: it one step too far, although I have to say I do struggle with the idea that putting the

[1:33:48] Voice 8: built environment and the natural environment on equal footing is a problem. I actually don't

[1:33:54] Voice 8: think we're doing that because unique amenities is a basket of things only which a one component

[1:34:04] Voice 8: is the built environment or the human environment. There are many other things so I'm afraid I'm not

[1:34:10] Voice 8: going to be able to at this stage anyway unless I hear more debate vote in favor of this.

[1:34:17] Voice 18: Thank you, Trustee Benn.

[1:34:18] Voice 18: So Patrick, Bishake, and Johnston, myself, and we'll go from there.

[1:34:24] Voice 18: And then I see Middleton to follow.

[1:34:28] Trustee Patrick: Yesterday when we were having the first session in the morning on reconciliation,

[1:34:33] Trustee Patrick: and I specifically, I asked Lisa this question because I encourage you to read the Honoring Earth

[1:34:41] Trustee Patrick: that's on the Assembly of First Nations website.

[1:34:44] Trustee Patrick: and it's so eloquently written on how everything is so interconnected and interwoven and I think

[1:34:52] Trustee Patrick: I'm not trying to speak on behalf of Lisa but she had said she had asked about a coastal you know

[1:35:01] Trustee Patrick: coastal Douglas fir and how the how the question couldn't be answered because of that interlinking

[1:35:06] Trustee Patrick: inter relationship and so um while i you know absolutely fundamentally agree we must

[1:35:15] Trustee Patrick: the environment is what it is i i've done sustainability consulting all the time and

[1:35:21] Trustee Patrick: you always see is it the three circles or is it the environment the big circle people always have

[1:35:27] Trustee Patrick: those debates but i think it's the inter weaving of it and the policy statement is sort of that

[1:35:33] Trustee Patrick: That, unfortunately, is a bit of pulling apart, but the golden nuggets are coming into that interwoven aspect of it.

[1:35:41] Trustee Patrick: So to say one is more important than the other, it's that relationship, and that relationship, you know, you have that conversation with your partner, who's more important?

[1:35:53] Trustee Patrick: It's together that it's powerful.

[1:35:56] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[1:36:01] Voice 17: Thank you, Patrick. Trustee Beshaken-Johnston.

[1:36:04] Voice 17: I

[1:36:06] Trustee Busheikin: guess I'm now getting that frustration point with the process. And this is just, I'm finding this exhausting. And I mean, the idea that I would vote against protecting, or it would sound like I'm voting against protecting the environment is upsetting to me.

[1:36:24] Trustee Busheikin: but I also there's so many potential implications behind this motion that we you know haven't had a

[1:36:31] Trustee Busheikin: chance to think about or hear any analysis of I mean what what does that mean for the previous

[1:36:36] Trustee Busheikin: motion about cultural heritage is that environment or not environment and therefore where does it

[1:36:42] Trustee Busheikin: stand and how would this be interpreted will it be used to close down all development all building

[1:36:51] Trustee Busheikin: all human activity because let's face it no matter what we do the environment the natural environment

[1:36:58] Trustee Busheikin: would be better off if we all just left and left it to itself maybe occasionally came over and

[1:37:04] Trustee Busheikin: removed some invasive species but um there's just too many unknowns and it's such a big uh

[1:37:11] Trustee Busheikin: vague topic and uh i i mean i want to go back to the motion we just passed which is let's let this

[1:37:20] Trustee Busheikin: policy statement work unfold the way we planned it and the way it's been it's been working very

[1:37:26] Trustee Busheikin: well we got a whole bunch of feedback we all spent many hours reading it and I just I'm finding the

[1:37:33] Trustee Busheikin: process really difficult being asked to vote on these huge overarching decisions without any

[1:37:39] Trustee Busheikin: analysis and one of the legal ramifications of this and much as it would pain me to be seen to

[1:37:47] Trustee Busheikin: be you know quote unquote voting against the the environment i i can't vote in favor of this

[1:37:54] Trustee Busheikin: thank you

[1:37:55] Voice 14: trustee johnston for

[1:37:59] Voice 15: the reasons outlined by trustee brent i can't support this

[1:38:03] Voice 15: uh it's a balance we have to find a balance uh people have lived here communities have lived

[1:38:09] Voice 15: here they've been housing here for 10 000 years and uh in a pristine natural non-human environment

[1:38:17] Voice 15: hasn't existed for that time and probably won't for a lot even if we did move everybody out and

[1:38:24] Voice 15: stop people from coming here so it's a balance that we have to figure out we and our communities

[1:38:30] Voice 15: have to figure out thank

[1:38:36] Voice 18: you trustee johnson uh i had myself inserted here on the list

[1:38:42] Voice 18: um i'm looking at one another one of the great posters in the office in the boardroom here

[1:38:47] Voice 18: that says the Islands Trust Act provides the following definition of the purpose of the

[1:38:54] Voice 18: Islands Trust, which is referred to in the legislation as its object. And I'll just

[1:39:00] Voice 18: paraphrase the first part of the sentence. The object of the trust is to preserve and

[1:39:05] Voice 18: protect the trust area and its unique amenities and environment. So therefore, I'm struggling

[1:39:12] Voice 18: with this. I am in support of the concept. And it's interesting, Trustee Rogers, that you said

[1:39:20] Voice 18: object of the trust act. We are not in an opportunity in this particular conversation

[1:39:26] Voice 18: to discuss amending the object of the act. We are talking about, oh, sorry, sorry, Trustee

[1:39:34] Voice 18: Critchley. We're talking about amending the policy statement. Certainly we have amendments

[1:39:40] Voice 18: in the process, legislative amendments in process to consider amendments to the act,

[1:39:45] Voice 18: which are going to include in that very statement, the inclusion of First Nations.

[1:39:54] Voice 18: I'm not sure how this fits into the context of it. So as others, the process is challenging here.

[1:40:02] Voice 18: I think there's significant reporting going to come from what we learned from the 2050

[1:40:06] Voice 18: 50 uh process that we're involved in that will inform this better um so it struggles i'm

[1:40:14] Voice 18: struggling to actually say out loud that i'm likely to not vote in favor of this um so i'm

[1:40:20] Voice 18: going to continue with my speakers list and then i would like to some juncture here call the vote

[1:40:26] Voice 18: and it'd be nice to do that before 11 o'clock but that's up to you trustee middleton rogers

[1:40:32] Voice 18: is Peterson fast and there's a couple of first speakers in there I think but it's hard to keep

[1:40:38] Voice 18: track trustee Middleton thank

[1:40:40] Trustee Middleton: you chair I'll be brief um excuse me I think uh many very good

[1:40:46] Trustee Middleton: points made around the table here and appreciate the efforts for um uh trustee Rogers and trustee

[1:40:53] Trustee Middleton: Wright with these motions and I think they were helping us shape a kind of a common ground in

[1:40:58] Trustee Middleton: some ways um but i do think that we we should be careful about extremist thinking where we say that

[1:41:06] Trustee Middleton: a definition means all of one thing or none of another um the talk of housing just briefly was

[1:41:14] Trustee Middleton: simply inserting the words doesn't necessarily mean we we achieve effect likewise with the

[1:41:20] Trustee Middleton: environment because the islands trust act focuses on the environment one must keep in mind that the

[1:41:26] Trustee Middleton: The Islands Trust Act is one of many pieces of legislation that govern our lives.

[1:41:30] Trustee Middleton: The Islands Trust Act is not, you know, primogenitor on the islands.

[1:41:36] Trustee Middleton: Obviously, we have private property rights.

[1:41:38] Trustee Middleton: We have rights of commerce, rights of environmental protection.

[1:41:42] Trustee Middleton: And so to think that because the Islands Trust Act has a focus on environment, it means that all other aspects of human activity go out the window or are being worked against is just simply not right.

[1:41:54] Trustee Middleton: it's it's incorrect thinking and so i think in that more subtle context trustee critchley's

[1:42:00] Trustee Middleton: motion makes makes good sense and i'll be supporting it

[1:42:04] Voice 18: thank you trustee middleton uh

[1:42:09] Voice 18: rogers peterson fast and maybe fast hasn't spoken once on this particular motion so

[1:42:15] Voice 18: perhaps i'll defer to trustee fast and then go although trustee rogers you've spoken on this

[1:42:20] Voice 18: motion? I'm lost track. No.

[1:42:24] Voice 18: Okay please

[1:42:25] Trustee Rogers: go ahead then Trustee

[1:42:26] Trustee Rogers: Rogers. Yeah and uh with the greatest

[1:42:28] Trustee Rogers: respect to my friend Trustee Critchley and with complete understanding of his intentions

[1:42:33] Trustee Rogers: I cannot support this motion because of the use of the word paramountcy. It has a very very very

[1:42:40] Trustee Rogers: defined term in legal terms as to what it means. It means it overrides everything else uh and that

[1:42:47] Trustee Rogers: and I just, I think it's contrary to what we've been hearing, I mean, and it's clear that it is

[1:42:56] Trustee Rogers: a prime object of the trust, but it is not, in my view, that as you said, Chair Luckham,

[1:43:04] Trustee Rogers: in a way, this is a rewriting or a rewriting of the Islands Trust Act, and I just don't think

[1:43:15] Trustee Rogers: it's inaccurate so i can't support it because of the word paramount i

[1:43:22] Voice 18: thank you trustee rogers

[1:43:23] Voice 18: trustee peterson and fast thank

[1:43:32] Voice 9: you chair um i'd have to agree with some of the comments from

[1:43:36] Voice 9: trustee uh boo shaken and trustee brent on this and uh specifically trustee rogers i i agree that

[1:43:44] Voice 9: that the word paramount is really problematic here

[1:43:50] Voice 9: and I can't vote in support of this motion.

[1:43:53] Voice 9: I'd just like to add that just a reminder to the chair

[1:43:58] Voice 9: that Trustee Morrison's on the phone having some issues.

[1:44:03] Voice 9: So if we're going to get to the vote,

[1:44:04] Voice 9: please remember to ask for her vote, thank you.

[1:44:07] Voice 18: Thank you for that Trustee Peterson.

[1:44:08] Voice 18: And maybe while just in the moment here,

[1:44:11] Voice 18: Trustee Morrison on the phone,

[1:44:13] Voice 18: do you wish to speak to the motion we have our fire alarm sir okay not hearing anything other

[1:44:25] Voice 18: than a fire alarm at the moment but that's good news um i'm gonna go to trustee fast

[1:44:32] Trustee Fast: thank you chair um i won't be long i'm just gonna say i'm gonna vote against this motion much as it

[1:44:38] Trustee Fast: pains me as somebody who's dedicated my life to nature and connecting people with nature um i uh

[1:44:47] Trustee Fast: uh I'm speaking to the process that I spoke to at the very beginning when I wanted to postpone

[1:44:52] Trustee Fast: all this till the fall since we till we could hear from staff and from the committee and all

[1:44:57] Trustee Fast: their hard work I uh we just passed a motion saying that that's what we were going to do

[1:45:02] Trustee Fast: and uh so I'm not even sure why we're um this motion seems to be in opposition to that one

[1:45:08] Trustee Fast: and um I because I want to hear from the committee and from staff and and have the discussion with

[1:45:14] Trustee Fast: the information in front of us um and uh a chance to think about it this one came quickly anyway i

[1:45:23] Trustee Fast: invite the mover to um uh in total sympathy uh to uh be involved in in the process as we go on from

[1:45:32] Trustee Fast: here and um so i'll be voting not in favor of this uh delicious and so attractive motion thank you

[1:45:41] Voice 18: thank you very much trustee fast so that concludes my speaker's list and so uh

[1:45:48] Voice 18: i will ask to conduct the vote on the motion on the screen uh duly moved and seconded

[1:45:56] Voice 18: and so all those in favor of the motion on your screen

[1:46:04] Voice 14: and uh

[1:46:05] Voice 18: while the hands are going up here digital hands going up i'll ask trustee morrison for your

[1:46:10] Voice 14: vote i'm not hearing anything um

[1:46:19] Voice 18: i'll just pause there for a moment but i'll show uh analog hands

[1:46:23] Voice 18: those that are not voting digitally those in favor of the motion all right then so i'm seeing uh

[1:46:30] Voice 18: five in favor of the motion and um i'm gonna ask one more time for trustee morrison if you're on

[1:46:40] Voice 18: the line and you can hear me all right um then i'll ask you to lower your hands that's five

[1:46:48] Voice 18: in favor and i'm going to now ask to raise your hands for those opposed and uh

[1:47:05] Voice 14: i see

[1:47:07] Voice 18: trustee dodd's hand raised my own hand is raised and that's uh therefore 14 opposed

[1:47:17] Voice 18: opposed and of

[1:47:24] Voice 18: course the numbers

[1:47:25] Voice 14: don't

[1:47:29] Voice 18: add up so can

[1:47:31] Trustee Fast: you ask trustee Morrison again maybe she

[1:47:34] Trustee Fast: wanted to vote in against yeah

[1:47:36] Voice 18: thank you um 14 have voted opposed and uh trustee um Morrison

[1:47:44] Voice 18: on the phone do you have a vote of opposition I'm not hearing anything from trustee Morrison

[1:47:52] Voice 18: and that was five in favor so I in doing the math that's 19 that tells me there's four votes

[1:48:04] Voice 18: abstained which are votes in favor where does that place us anybody help me with that

[1:48:13] Voice 18: that's not that would be nine and so it still fails it fails okay thank you very much I just

[1:48:18] Voice 18: wanted to make sure that i was doing the right thing here so that motion failed thank you uh

[1:48:24] Voice 18: council um if i'm not mistaken that brings us to the conclusion of the debate surrounding the

[1:48:32] Voice 18: policy statement uh work that we started yesterday i'm going to suggest that now at a couple minutes

[1:48:39] Voice 18: before 11 that we have a shorter than scheduled break um because we had a little break there at

[1:48:45] Voice 18: 10 o'clock um so let's take 10 minutes to just you know let the energy and everything go that we've

[1:48:53] Voice 18: been feeling and experiencing and take some fresh air and look after ourselves so that we can start

[1:48:59] Voice 18: off with the business of today and um i i'm going to just suggest and i'm going to talk to staff

[1:49:06] Voice 18: here as we advance that we continue with the agenda as presented uh for the executive committee

[1:49:12] Voice 18: and the select committee and then depending on where we are there i might want to start the

[1:49:18] Voice 18: the finance and administration conversation um either at following lunch is more likely the

[1:49:25] Voice 18: best place for that but um that seems to me am i tentatively i'm thinking about let's wrap up as

[1:49:31] Voice 18: much as we can uh that was on the morning's agenda and then at lunch we will pick up with the

[1:49:36] Voice 18: financial planning and administrative services agenda and then we'll pick up whatever we've

[1:49:42] Voice 18: skipped over later in the day and or tomorrow okay so let's come back at 10 minutes after 11

[1:49:50] Voice 18: all right thank

[1:49:52] Voice 14: you everybody okay i hope everybody got to

[1:50:02] Voice 18: breathe deep and fresh air

[1:50:04] Voice 18: and fresh liquids and all of that good stuff i just want to acknowledge the tremendous

[1:50:10] Voice 18: tremendous conversation you know uh all sides of the conversation it's rich it's deep

[1:50:17] Voice 18: um it's a deep conversation and um i i honestly look forward to the reporting that is going to

[1:50:25] Voice 18: come from this um because i expect that staff will be taking all of the debate all the conversation

[1:50:31] Voice 18: all of the input from the public and bringing that back to us you know and and looking for

[1:50:36] Voice 18: common interests on both sides of the equation, all sides of the equation. And I look forward

[1:50:42] Voice 18: to that. Again, thank you to everybody. So my anticipation here now is to work through

[1:50:51] Voice 18: until our lunch break at noon and starting off with the executive committee items. And

[1:50:58] Voice 18: we'll see how far I need the select committee following that. And then if we're doing incredibly

[1:51:05] Voice 18: well. Maybe we'll actually touch on trust area services. But when we return from lunch,

[1:51:10] Voice 18: I would like to start with financial administrative services when we're fresh from our lunch break,

[1:51:16] Voice 18: and then we'll pick up with the items that we have missed. So let us begin.

[1:51:24] Voice 18: We have a number of consent agenda items, 7.1 through 7.14. And at this point,

[1:51:37] Voice 18: respecting these trusts, and the motion

[1:51:40] Voice 18: here is that by general consent, the Trust Council would

[1:51:42] Voice 18: adopt the recommendations, but

[1:51:44] Voice 1: I'll ask if

[1:51:45] Voice 18: there's anybody that wishes to speak to any of those items,

[1:51:47] Voice 18: 7.11, 1.2, 1.3, or 1.4, and we'll pull those from the consent agenda. Let me just pull up my digital

[1:51:56] Voice 18: hands piece here, and I don't see any digital hands raised. Anything on the screen? All right,

[1:52:04] Voice 18: then i'm going to take it then by general consent the trust council adopt the recommendations in

[1:52:09] Voice 18: item 7.11 to 7.14 um and then that concludes that section of the agenda now the discussion items we

[1:52:21] Voice 18: have here today for you uh it's 7.2.1 the chief administrative officer's report and i'm going to

[1:52:29] Voice 18: turn it over to russ hoxham to uh give us a summary what would you say uh thank you very

[1:52:35] Voice 18: much

[1:52:36] Voice 16: uh chair luckum um good to be with you all coming from the quongan territory respectfully

[1:52:41] Voice 16: um i'll be brief uh trust council uh you've had uh um a strong start to your day and and there's

[1:52:47] Voice 16: much to come with the budget this is of course a very important trust council meeting um i first

[1:52:54] Voice 16: take our minds to um you know the global pandemic and uh the provincial situation the local situation

[1:53:01] Voice 16: and where we are as an organization with regards to COVID-19.

[1:53:06] Voice 16: As you're aware, there's still a provincial state of emergency.

[1:53:10] Voice 16: We have a safety plan that we've developed,

[1:53:12] Voice 16: and I reflect that we're now a year into this.

[1:53:16] Voice 16: And in many ways, this has become how we do things.

[1:53:20] Voice 16: There has been some positives associated with it,

[1:53:23] Voice 16: but certainly there have been some challenges.

[1:53:25] Voice 16: You know, in some ways, we're living through them now

[1:53:29] Voice 16: with the the abruptness of electronic meetings like this on difficult issues um which uh in some

[1:53:36] Voice 16: ways can rob us of our ability to communicate effectively i certainly feel that working with

[1:53:41] Voice 16: staff uh there's a number of staff i haven't seen in a year um that are across the trust

[1:53:46] Voice 16: area and

[1:53:47] Voice 16: that is not necessarily a good thing um i look forward to when there's an opportunity we can

[1:53:53] Voice 16: get closer um and work together that being said the safety plan is in place um we have uh as you

[1:54:00] Voice 16: know electronic public meetings at a local trust committee level um you know if you're following

[1:54:06] Voice 16: the news right now you've seen probably in the last month there was a fairly significant uptake

[1:54:11] Voice 16: or uptick is maybe a better word um in um covet 19 infections uh province-wide

[1:54:18] Voice 16: and indeed on the island particularly in the north island um that being said we've heard

[1:54:25] Voice 16: the provincial health officer beginning to um with the uh the rollout of vaccines we're beginning to

[1:54:31] Voice 16: see some language that perhaps and i emphasize this because

[1:54:35] Voice 1: we're on a three-month rotation

[1:54:36] Voice 16: within the next three months there might be some changes associated with her order and with

[1:54:42] Voice 16: ministerial order 192 which is governing how we're interacting with the public and interacting on an

[1:54:47] Voice 16: office basis i can assure you that we still are following our protocols wearing masks we have

[1:54:53] Voice 16: relatively limited office hours three days a week in each of the offices that being said we've never

[1:55:01] Voice 16: had some work so much work as i've seen in the last five years so the work carries on the

[1:55:08] Voice 16: applications carry on we're hearing from you on a continuous basis that uh land use applications are

[1:55:14] Voice 16: moving forward so um uh i guess we'll be contemplating um into the next three months

[1:55:21] Voice 16: 192 allows us once the provincial state of emergency is lifted to continue as we are for

[1:55:27] Voice 16: three months and um right now we're planning for a reintegration of meetings into the public sphere

[1:55:35] Voice 16: we know that there's some positives associated with um what's happened here we're going to try

[1:55:41] Voice 16: and retain those there's some recording in here one of the business cases around how we're going

[1:55:46] Voice 16: to have possibly a hybrid meeting format where we have some live and some electronic communication

[1:55:53] Voice 16: with the wider community but there's also reporting that you're going to be getting

[1:55:58] Voice 16: that the ability to have fully electronic meetings is not going to be within our purview so we will

[1:56:04] Voice 16: be moving towards some sort of hybrid at a minimum and certainly we'll keep executive committee and

[1:56:10] Voice 16: you informed um as we move forward so that's uh with the safety plan um you know there is some

[1:56:19] Voice 16: good news um today um or yesterday rather uh we've been struggling with our insurance coverage

[1:56:25] Voice 16: the increasing rates um that we're paying for insurance and um staff with the direction of fpc

[1:56:32] Voice 16: has been uh reaching out to the municipal insurance agency um to see whether we would be

[1:56:38] Voice 16: an appropriate partner with them and we provided them some reporting and I understand on March

[1:56:46] Voice 16: 4th their board of governors met and they agreed to consider us for membership and what we have to

[1:56:52] Voice 16: do in the in the short term here is provide some actuarial analysis which we're undertaking

[1:56:57] Voice 16: as well and we'll see whether there's a good fit between the two organizations certainly

[1:57:02] Voice 16: Certainly, the feeling I get from their CEO is that they have a mandate to expand.

[1:57:09] Voice 16: They have a series of principles that I think fit with the Island's trust.

[1:57:15] Voice 16: They have a mandate to extend their services to First Nations governments.

[1:57:21] Voice 16: And they really want to level out costs in the insurance marketplace over the long term.

[1:57:28] Voice 16: we don't know what uh the numbers will be at this stage of the game we have to do that work but i

[1:57:33] Voice 16: consider that that's progress so i offer you that um i'm just going to briefly mention one thing on

[1:57:41] Voice 16: the follow-up action list and you had a little bit from it last night but the recommendation

[1:57:45] Voice 16: is the rain coast conservation foundation regarding forest protection and i believe

[1:57:51] Voice 16: I believe Chair Luckham has asked you to reflect

[1:57:54] Voice 16: in your round table on Thursday

[1:57:57] Voice 16: around tree cutting and forestry matters.

[1:58:00] Voice 16: There's also a report in front of you

[1:58:02] Voice 16: around maybe developing a more strategic approach

[1:58:05] Voice 16: with forestry.

[1:58:07] Voice 16: I can tell you that right now

[1:58:08] Voice 16: we've got four or five different initiatives

[1:58:10] Voice 16: underway at the Islands Trust.

[1:58:12] Voice 16: I can't help but think that if they were married together

[1:58:15] Voice 16: in a strategic way for the trust

[1:58:19] Voice 16: that we might get some some value and we we'd see whether they're competing interests or interests

[1:58:25] Voice 16: that um um could support each other and to that end um we're doing cdf work um we've asked for

[1:58:34] Voice 16: enforceability of development permits next week um chair locke meets with the minister

[1:58:40] Voice 16: to talk about uh part eight and uh the tree cutting bylaw so i i encourage you to provide him

[1:58:47] Voice 16: and with some uh some thoughts as he goes into that important meeting um that being said i

[1:58:56] Voice 16: believe the i believe the ministry is advancing some of our work that has been long standing at

[1:59:03] Voice 16: the allen's trust around um amendments to our act um and uh we have had a series of meetings

[1:59:12] Voice 16: over the last um couple of uh weeks we did have a good meeting with flynn row around crown lands

[1:59:18] Voice 16: lands, and we also had a significant meeting, myself, David Marlar, Lisa Wilcox, around

[1:59:26] Voice 16: Claire Freighter, around PNFL, and those considerations as we move forward.

[1:59:32] Voice 16: So I'm pleased, and I would say that it's good that those conversations are underway.

[1:59:40] Voice 16: Other than that, Mr. Chair, I think I would just say that those are the end of my CIO

[1:59:46] Voice 16: remarks, and I'd respond to any questions.

[1:59:48] Voice 16: I know you have a busy day ahead of you.

[1:59:51] Voice 18: Thank you very much, CAO.

[1:59:52] Voice 18: Are there any questions for the CAO on his report

[1:59:55] Voice 18: or perhaps something you haven't heard

[1:59:57] Voice 18: that you need to know about?

[2:00:00] Voice 18: uh let's get a show of digital hands uh and i'll take analog hands on the screen as well

[2:00:05] Voice 18: but trustee stamford over to you

[2:00:07] Trustee Stamford: yes thank you i'm just uh wondering if there's any more details

[2:00:12] Trustee Stamford: about um the meeting you had regarding crown lands or if there's a way i can get some more

[2:00:18] Trustee Stamford: detail on that that is of particular interest to gambier island um

[2:00:25] Voice 16: i don't have much detail

[2:00:29] Voice 16: we've had two meetings um and um i think we have a willing partner um certainly i can we can i can

[2:00:37] Voice 16: provide you an update as we get more um and i would almost ask if there's any staff on the line

[2:00:43] Voice 16: i think we have another meeting um scheduled already and um perhaps as we get into later

[2:00:49] Voice 16: on to the land use section and the um trust area programs um updates that uh we might be able to

[2:00:54] Voice 16: provide you a bit more detail but other than that i don't have much more detail i can provide

[2:01:00] Voice 17: okay thank you any

[2:01:02] Voice 18: other questions raised hands are on the phone okay so not seeing any so thank

[2:01:10] Voice 18: you ceo hudson pillar um and thank you for reminding me of of course um of the day-to-day

[2:01:17] Voice 18: situation that we're living with the pandemic and i didn't i failed to recognize i wanted to

[2:01:22] Voice 18: recognize that it's a year ago on salt spring island when we left that meeting and the world

[2:01:28] Voice 18: had changed literally that day and um i miss all of you and our communities miss us and i miss the

[2:01:39] Voice 18: communities and i just thank you for all of your work and your support and you're keeping yourself

[2:01:46] Voice 18: self-saves and your family and all of this amazing stuff um we are social animals and i think we are

[2:01:54] Voice 18: desperately in need of being social so but i gotta say hang in there that we're gonna get through

[2:02:01] Voice 18: this and i'm i'm pleased to note maybe there's a answer there from the cao um that clearly the

[2:02:07] Voice 18: province is ramping up for september to start opening things up i think we've already deferred

[2:02:13] Voice 18: our september meeting to be electronic but i say i would say that three months after that emergency

[2:02:18] Voice 18: measures is released that brings us to december um and that presumably we may have a face-to-face

[2:02:24] Voice 18: meeting in december a hybrid meeting in december

[2:02:27] Voice 16: that's a possibility yeah okay

[2:02:29] Voice 18: so those are my

[2:02:30] Voice 18: remarks i want to just acknowledge that moment in time the world has changed um so with nothing

[2:02:37] Voice 18: nothing further. I see Trustee Patrick's hand up.

[2:02:41] Trustee Patrick: I just wanted to really note the appreciation of staff in this since the pandemic has started

[2:02:50] Trustee Patrick: have worked, you know, the contact and ability to keep the work going and, you know, we've

[2:02:57] Trustee Patrick: achieved a lot of really important work since the pandemic was started and I just want to

[2:03:04] Trustee Patrick: make sure that that appreciation is expressed.

[2:03:06] Trustee Patrick: rest thank

[2:03:09] Voice 18: you very much and you're absolutely right about that all right um our next item on

[2:03:16] Voice 18: the agenda is amendments to the 2018-22 strategic plan i think i've got the wrong thing up on my

[2:03:25] Voice 18: screen here um and so i'm actually going to uh turn to the cao uh with respect to this if that's

[2:03:33] Voice 18: all right thank you very much

[2:03:35] Voice 16: so uh trust council on page uh what do we have here 322 um you've got

[2:03:43] Voice 16: a report from myself that recommends some uh your consideration of some additions to the strategic

[2:03:50] Voice 16: plan and and why i provided you that report is that you know it's useful with um a body like

[2:03:55] Voice 16: yourselves um you you have your initial discussions around your strategic directions and then uh life

[2:04:01] Voice 16: happens and meeting happens and you get information from people who make submissions to you and we

[2:04:07] Voice 16: begin to have a number of different um motions made um in support of ideas that might be outside

[2:04:14] Voice 16: a strategic plan and if enough happen it's uh at least worth the time to consider should we

[2:04:21] Voice 16: should we make those strategic priorities then the question would be well why would we do that

[2:04:26] Voice 16: and that would be certainly when staff do their work depending upon whether they're primarily

[2:04:32] Voice 16: focused on assisting local trust committees or they're working with executive committee

[2:04:38] Voice 16: they go to those various work programs they go to the strategic plan and then they go to the next

[2:04:43] Voice 16: unless something is identified as a an emerging issue so when we get a couple of ideas that may

[2:04:50] Voice 16: or may not be um assistive to each other and i turn um to the forestry questions over the last

[2:04:56] Voice 16: year we've had a number of initiatives associated with forestry come up but we don't have an overall

[2:05:02] Voice 16: strategic process associated with forestry we have on the one hand let's just say um

[2:05:10] Voice 16: interest in getting municipal tree cutting powers um but inside that there's a lot of exemptions

[2:05:17] Voice 16: associated with pmfl crown land wood lots and other things that may or may not return us to

[2:05:22] Voice 16: the same place we were in before but we would be out there doing all that work maybe in concert

[2:05:27] Voice 16: with um getting some accommodation associated with private managed forest lands um you know

[2:05:33] Voice 16: those two things together or or either or with um enforceability of development permits and i'm just

[2:05:42] Voice 16: sort of providing one example maybe those things in concert would be a good strategic direction

[2:05:47] Voice 16: for the Islands Trust. So this just brings things all together, lets the public see what your

[2:05:53] Voice 16: priorities are, and it's certainly not unusual to amend your strategic plan occasionally as you go

[2:05:59] Voice 16: forward. I've offered these four forestry initiatives for your consideration. The

[2:06:05] Voice 16: Governance and Management Review, you've all made some considerations, you've passed motions

[2:06:10] Voice 16: associated with this it is holistic meaning it applies across the trust area and there's some

[2:06:18] Voice 16: significant financial components so I would think that that would be some that would be of a

[2:06:23] Voice 16: strategic direction for the organization so you may want to add that there's been a long-standing

[2:06:29] Voice 16: request for the province for additional funding some preliminary pre-covid discussions were held

[2:06:35] Voice 16: between the conservancy and executive committee you know in development of that strategy and I

[2:06:40] Voice 16: I have to be honest, there's not been since that time,

[2:06:44] Voice 16: I would say a year,

[2:06:45] Voice 16: there hasn't been significant staff time devoted to that.

[2:06:49] Voice 16: Though, as long as I've been at the trust and before,

[2:06:52] Voice 16: it's always been on some work list somewhere,

[2:06:55] Voice 16: but it's not on the strategic plan and my goodness,

[2:06:58] Voice 16: it would be certainly a significant strategic direction

[2:07:01] Voice 16: for the organization if it wanted to fully go in that way.

[2:07:05] Voice 16: So you may want to add that to the plan now or not.

[2:07:10] Voice 16: and you would then you know want to consider well you know what would the timing be of

[2:07:14] Voice 16: including that is is this particular period in provincial history the right time to ask

[2:07:20] Voice 16: the province for additional funding or not um you know you may want to discuss it and then finally

[2:07:26] Voice 16: um boring to many enthralling to few is the um a policy analysis inside the islands trust

[2:07:34] Voice 16: trust and I consider myself one of the enthralled um there's lots of things that go on as your

[2:07:41] Voice 16: seamless world unfolds that's in the background there's some policy um Carmen Teal has reviewed

[2:07:47] Voice 16: over a hundred policies of trust council and I can tell you my experience is whenever a problem

[2:07:52] Voice 16: comes up we have a policy that almost addresses it well I'd love to get some policies that actually

[2:07:57] Voice 16: address a lot of our um the work we have it's time for um refurbishment of those so we came

[2:08:05] Voice 16: to executive committee with carmen's good work with 16 different policies and they're your policies

[2:08:11] Voice 16: they're trust council policies and i'd like to dedicate some staff time over the next year or so

[2:08:17] Voice 16: and to have you be aware that um some of those things need some updating so we added that to

[2:08:23] Voice 16: this list to see whether you're in agreement that that would be um some strategic work certainly he

[2:08:29] Voice 16: sees in support of it it doesn't have to live in the strategic plan we could do it off to the side

[2:08:33] Voice 16: but um it's a way for the island's trust to um renew itself on a continuous basis as opposed

[2:08:40] Voice 16: to doing it on an ad hoc basis so with that mr cherry turning back to you that's as fast as i can

[2:08:45] Voice 16: talk.

[2:08:47] Voice 18: Thank you very much for that. I'm going to pull up my list here. I noticed there's at least

[2:08:55] Voice 18: one speaker here that maybe has a question. I just would like to characterize this a little

[2:09:01] Voice 18: bit for my own advantage that there's obviously a recommended motion there. I don't know that

[2:09:09] Voice 18: this is necessarily a call for wholesale uh uh removal or addition of other new items this is

[2:09:16] Voice 18: the reporting on the items that the executive committee and the cao have realized are missing

[2:09:21] Voice 18: in the strategic plan and sure there's too much stuff already on the strategic plan but this is

[2:09:26] Voice 18: actually work that is under underway and should be included so i'm happy to see a motion advance

[2:09:33] Voice 18: But I'm going to go. And of course, a motion is an ideal object for us to speak to when we are speaking.

[2:09:42] Voice 18: So I'm going to set that scene. I'm going to start with Trustee Beshaken.

[2:09:51] Trustee Busheikin: There we go. Sorry, I have a question, actually. And before I could make a motion anyways.

[2:09:59] Trustee Busheikin: And it has to do with the order of things and process.

[2:10:02] Trustee Busheikin: process. As I think we all know, Financial Planning Committee removed the item that is

[2:10:11] Trustee Busheikin: number two here from the budget for this coming year, the Governance and Management Review,

[2:10:16] Trustee Busheikin: at its most recent meeting in order to ensure that Trust Council remains within its

[2:10:22] Trustee Busheikin: own financial policies about our surplus. And further in, you know, later in our agenda,

[2:10:32] Trustee Busheikin: at trust council we will be considering a motion to change the surplus policy and then we'll be

[2:10:38] Trustee Busheikin: considering the budget so i'm just trying to figure out and i'm sure i'm not the only one how

[2:10:45] Trustee Busheikin: this vote would interact with the the budget discussion and the budget vote that will happen

[2:10:52] Trustee Busheikin: later given fpc's decision and i hope everyone understands the complexity i i'm seeing here

[2:11:01] Trustee Busheikin: Sure.

[2:11:02] Voice 18: Thank you for the question, Trustee Busiek. And of course, this report was prepared before the FPC work, but I will ask, and of course, it's a funding piece that the FPC has suggested, not the project itself, but I'll turn that to the CEO for his remark.

[2:11:19] Voice 18: Yeah,

[2:11:20] Voice 16: I mean, you're going to have to wade through this. I mean, you might want to, I don't have an easy answer for every eventuality that's the project.

[2:11:27] Voice 16: Okay.

[2:11:28] Voice 24: Yeah, so the Trust Council reserves and surplus policy does say that surplus funds may be used to fund projects. Typically, it's one time projects that you would want to fund from surplus funds, you know, projects that happen on an annual basis or any sort of expenditure that's ongoing, you would want to be funding that from taxation on an annual basis.

[2:11:49] Voice 24: So the way that the trust uses its surplus funds is that it is in the habit of funding strategic plan projects from surplus funds.

[2:11:59] Voice 24: However, strategic plan work happens every year.

[2:12:02] Voice 24: So arguably the use of surplus funds to fund strategic plan work is not a best practice.

[2:12:07] Voice 24: And what it does is it does put strain on the balance in the general revenue surplus fund.

[2:12:12] Voice 24: And that's what we're starting to see.

[2:12:14] Voice 24: so there is work to review the surplus policy in its entirety and part of what I'd like to

[2:12:22] Voice 24: recommend will be to change how we use surplus funds for projects in particular strategic plan

[2:12:27] Voice 24: projects given that we have those on an ongoing basis for right now given how we use surplus

[2:12:33] Voice 24: and the fact that that work is not yet complete this is sort of one of the areas of that policy

[2:12:41] Voice 24: that is being looked at early,

[2:12:43] Voice 24: given that it does have impact

[2:12:44] Voice 24: on the current year budget draft.

[2:12:45] Voice 24: So I think I may have answered your question there.

[2:12:47] Voice 24: Hopefully, yes, awesome.

[2:12:50] Voice 18: Thank you, Trustee Beshaken,

[2:12:55] Voice 18: and then we'll go to Trustee Brent.

[2:12:58] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you, yes, I am speaking in favor of this motion.

[2:13:03] Trustee Busheikin: I think maybe the process by which this decision

[2:13:05] Trustee Busheikin: is coming before us is not ideal,

[2:13:10] Trustee Busheikin: and I don't mean to point fingers.

[2:13:11] Trustee Busheikin: It's been very complex, and for people who weren't following the last financial planning committee meeting, we actually had a seven-hour meeting, and we originally had a discussion about exactly this work on the agenda and did not get so far as to making a decision.

[2:13:32] Trustee Busheikin: And what we did instead is we did a lot of work on the budget to bring in line with the current surplus policy at 25%, which was a very complex maneuver.

[2:13:46] Trustee Busheikin: And, you know, in retrospect, it would have been better to start with this and prioritize this.

[2:13:51] Trustee Busheikin: I think at FPC, I'm just trying to figure out, hmm, like, why does this feel a bit funny?

[2:13:56] Trustee Busheikin: But I think that it's actually been discussed and studied in a lot of depth at FPC and that there is no need to have the 25% surplus, what's over 20% is plenty.

[2:14:09] Trustee Busheikin: I will just say that you know this this opens up as I see it opportunities in the next couple

[2:14:19] Trustee Busheikin: hours as we look at our budget to reconsider some of those decisions of FPC but I guess I'm

[2:14:25] Trustee Busheikin: straying into things that aren't part of the motion so I'll leave it at that speaking in support.

[2:14:31] Voice 8: Thank you. Trustee Brent. Just a little a small point of clarification but this last yeah this

[2:14:39] Voice 8: this current fiscal, we don't anticipate spending what we originally did in the budget. So our draw

[2:14:47] Voice 8: from surplus isn't going to be anything like what it was. We don't know what the future brings. I

[2:14:53] Voice 8: would suggest that, yeah, we're not going to see the inputs into surplus that we've seen in the

[2:14:59] Voice 8: past, predominantly thanks to the staff who are handling our finances now. They're doing a much

[2:15:07] Voice 8: better job there's no question but in in as much as this this current year that we're in

[2:15:12] Voice 8: no we're not going to be drawing a lot uh from surplus uh because covid thanks um

[2:15:21] Voice 18: thank you very

[2:15:22] Voice 18: much uh trustee brent um i don't see any more speakers and so and uh no hands up on the screen

[2:15:31] Voice 18: so i'm going to call the vote on the motion that is before us um is that on the screen right there

[2:15:37] Voice 18: at the bottom yeah all

[2:15:39] Voice 18: right so it's at the bottom of your screen and so i'll ask for those in favor

[2:15:51] Voice 18: and any hands on the screen dogs one hand on the screen trustee dodge and i'm seeing 20 19 hands

[2:16:00] Voice 18: here um including myself would be 20 oh 20 plus myself with 21 plus the screen 22 plus

[2:16:06] Voice 18: Cameron Thorne, 23. So I'll ask for those contrary, those not in favor, lower your hands first.

[2:16:17] Trustee Fast: Cameron Thorne had his hand up on the screen and digitally.

[2:16:21] Voice 18: Oh, that's very tricky. Okay, so now all the hands are lowered to any opposed,

[2:16:31] Voice 18: and we're on the screen, any opposed? All right then, so that carries unanimously,

[2:16:37] Voice 18: and I thank you Council for that and thank you to Trustee Grove for advancing that work.

[2:16:47] Trustee Grove: And Julia Moggs, thank you.

[2:16:49] Voice 18: Well, Julia Moggs always. I really want to thank the staff for the exemplary work with our finances.

[2:16:58] Voice 18: So here we are now at 11.2.2, the proposed budget session,

[2:17:03] Voice 18: session, financial planning committee recommended. I'm going to allow the chair of financial planning

[2:17:10] Voice 18: committee to oversee some of the direction here with respect to the briefings and working with

[2:17:18] Voice 18: Juliet to provide explanations. So let's just, I'll turn it over to the chair of financial planning

[2:17:24] Voice 18: committee to start us off introducing assumptions and principles and we'll continue on from there

[2:17:31] Voice 18: until we get to a decision thank

[2:17:32] Trustee Grove: you and i will be extremely brief just to point out that this

[2:17:36] Trustee Grove: budget is indeed um fpc's recommendation after um looking at an initial projected budget which

[2:17:45] Trustee Grove: fpc then trimmed pretty aggressively in order to bring it in within within reasonable limits

[2:17:52] Trustee Grove: limits. We wanted you to see what each and every one of those significant items was or were

[2:18:03] Trustee Grove: and so that you could be able to decide for yourselves if indeed you think that was a

[2:18:09] Trustee Grove: reasonable or a justified reduction. It's all spelled out in the name of that horrible word

[2:18:15] Trustee Grove: transparency so um we've now developed a budget which shows a 3.2 percent in increased property

[2:18:24] Trustee Grove: taxes over last year are

[2:18:26] Voice 18: we on the wrong spot here no okay sorry go ahead sorry

[2:18:33] Trustee Grove: what's what's

[2:18:35] Trustee Grove: going on i

[2:18:36] Voice 18: just uh concerned that we're maybe uh getting ahead of ourselves here uh 11.2.2.1

[2:18:42] Voice 18: is draft budget assumptions and principles yes okay

[2:18:45] Voice 18: and that's what you're on

[2:18:47] Trustee Grove: no you're quite

[2:18:49] Trustee Grove: right i was getting far too excited about the draft the draft budget so i'll conclude that

[2:18:54] Trustee Grove: though and then we'll get back to a general review of each of those um each of those matters

[2:18:59] Trustee Grove: anyway so the um there's there's room for debate there's no question about that and we look forward

[2:19:05] Trustee Grove: to your comments um but you're absolutely right we need to talk about the draft budget assumptions

[2:19:11] Trustee Grove: and principles. And Julia, I'll hand it back to you where it's much safer, quite frankly.

[2:19:20] Voice 24: Thanks, Trustee Grove. So the budget session outline is on page 601 of the agenda package.

[2:19:28] Voice 24: You'll notice there that the public feedback that was received on the budget is listed as the last

[2:19:34] Voice 24: item. We did think it made some sense to have that information presented to council in advance of the

[2:19:40] Voice 24: budget debate to help inform thoughts and opinions and discussions so I'll look to the chair to see

[2:19:46] Voice 24: if you would like to ask the committee about making that change.

[2:19:51] Voice 18: Okay okay I wasn't I noted

[2:19:55] Voice 18: that myself and wondered why that was the case and so are you proposing then to provide a summary

[2:20:01] Voice 18: on the public feedback on the draft 2021-22 budget briefing at 11.2.2.9?

[2:20:10] Voice 24: that's correct um

[2:20:12] Voice 18: and so by approval of council then um if there's no um uh contrary uh notions

[2:20:21] Voice 18: on that topic if there's a raise of hands anybody that doesn't want to review that at this time

[2:20:25] Voice 18: i'll consider that not seeing any so then i would just say please proceed with 11.2.2.9

[2:20:35] Voice 24: all right and that that's actually director freighter that will be walking us through that

[2:20:39] Voice 24: today

[2:20:39] Voice 18: thank you over to you director freighter i'll see you on the screen there but perhaps

[2:20:45] Voice 18: you're hiding there

[2:20:49] Voice 14: she is there you are

[2:20:51] Voice 14: welcome thank you thank

[2:20:52] Voice 3: you chair i'll just take a few

[2:20:55] Voice 3: minutes here just to overview you the results of the public consultation that was undertaken

[2:21:00] Voice 3: um as you can see in the briefing we um undertook the consultation between january 22nd and february

[2:21:06] Voice 3: 7th it was a slightly shorter time period this year just to just due to the meeting schedule

[2:21:11] Voice 3: timeline that we had for 2021. We are very happy with the engagement results. We're seeing

[2:21:16] Voice 3: progressive increases every year with our new outreach around engagement. So in total you had

[2:21:22] Voice 3: 941 respondents and they spent an average of nine and a half minutes almost on the survey and I

[2:21:28] Voice 3: would suggest that's pretty outstanding level of dedication by your constituents to commenting on

[2:21:33] Voice 3: a budget and I think many local governments would be envious of that level of engagement

[2:21:37] Voice 3: and particularly in terms of the time spent

[2:21:39] Voice 3: within the survey.

[2:21:40] Voice 3: I wanna also just give a little shout out

[2:21:42] Voice 3: to Gambier Island.

[2:21:43] Voice 3: They managed to have 100 participants in this survey

[2:21:45] Voice 3: out of a census population of 247.

[2:21:49] Voice 3: So just wanted to let you know,

[2:21:50] Voice 3: we do wanna give kudos to all trustees

[2:21:53] Voice 3: for helping us to reach community members

[2:21:55] Voice 3: and encourage them to fill out the survey

[2:21:57] Voice 3: and build some enthusiasm around the trust

[2:21:59] Voice 3: and people engaging and sharing their hopes and dreams

[2:22:01] Voice 3: about how it gets funded and how their taxes get used.

[2:22:04] Voice 3: um i would note that we have a consistent theme that you likely noticed if you read the through

[2:22:10] Voice 3: all the survey comments and i recognize there were a lot of them um but there's still a lack

[2:22:14] Voice 3: of understanding about the trust and its duties and responsibilities and scope of jurisdiction

[2:22:20] Voice 3: so as we work on communications we're going to be looking at that and trying to help people in the

[2:22:24] Voice 3: islands better and throughout community better understand what we do and what others do so that

[2:22:30] Voice 3: they can be informed when they're making comments around the budget.

[2:22:34] Voice 3: Generally there appears to be support for keeping taxes the same. We had 21% of respondents wanting

[2:22:40] Voice 3: their taxes increased while 20% wanted taxes decreased. I would suggest having 21% of people

[2:22:47] Voice 3: wanting their taxes increased in a pandemic year was a surprise to staff. That was not something

[2:22:52] Voice 3: we were expecting to see. Generally with regard to the Salt Spring tax requisition there was

[2:22:58] Voice 3: generally support for the requisition although there seems some uncertainty about the amount

[2:23:04] Voice 3: with some people indicating or a majority indicating it was too much but almost as many

[2:23:08] Voice 3: noting that they're not sure what funding is required. We had a majority of respondents

[2:23:13] Voice 3: saying they wanted funding to stay the same or decrease for local planning services but then

[2:23:18] Voice 3: interestingly indicating they wanted regional planning funding to stay the same or increase.

[2:23:23] Voice 3: There was a distinct lack of support for reducing application processing times.

[2:23:28] Voice 3: So that was of interest. With regard to bylaw enforcement and compliance and regional programs,

[2:23:35] Voice 3: there was a desire to see it stay the same or decrease.

[2:23:38] Voice 3: And I would say you can note that a majority of respondents wanted funding for the Conservancy to stay the same or increase.

[2:23:46] Voice 3: With regard to the climate action questions that we asked,

[2:23:49] Voice 3: we asked people to rank the various strategic plan climate priorities and we did have feedback

[2:23:54] Voice 3: on this question that it was challenging for some people so we'll be looking at that in future years

[2:23:58] Voice 3: that they found the setup of the question challenging. The most popular climate actions

[2:24:04] Voice 3: that were preferred were the freshwater sustainability strategy, groundwater mapping

[2:24:09] Voice 3: and water budgets, stewardship education, policy statement update and climate change indicators.

[2:24:14] Voice 3: So those are your highlights. I'm happy to answer any questions about the process itself.

[2:24:20] Voice 3: We will be looking at reporting because noting that as engagement levels go up, it becomes an awful lot for you to read between when the agenda comes out and your meeting.

[2:24:28] Voice 3: So we will be looking at that over the next year. I'm happy to take any questions.

[2:24:34] Voice 18: Okay. Are there any questions for the director? Trustee Stamford?

[2:24:38] Voice 18: heard

[2:24:41] Trustee Stamford: um thank you for this um director freighter um first of all i'd like to comment that it it

[2:24:48] Trustee Stamford: it's emotionally exhausting reading this stuff and if you combine it with the other forms of

[2:24:55] Trustee Stamford: engagement it your rank you're ranging anywhere from extreme uh happiness with the trust to

[2:25:03] Trustee Stamford: we are eco-terrorists and we're fascists and and so combining all this together it is very

[2:25:12] Trustee Stamford: exhausting but it is important so I'm glad to see the engagement from Gambier it's amazing what

[2:25:20] Trustee Stamford: coercion will do but I also would like if possible if staff can pull out island by island the

[2:25:29] Trustee Stamford: comments because i do recognize from my particular area a real misunderstanding of where the trust is

[2:25:37] Trustee Stamford: involved and where it isn't and i'd like to be able to address that as as their representative

[2:25:44] Voice 3: uh yes certainly we can do that upon request of trustees i know we've heard from

[2:25:48] Voice 3: gambier denman and bowen that they wanted island specific results so we are working on those ones

[2:25:54] Voice 3: currently and we'll be providing them shortly. Thank you.

[2:25:58] Voice 18: Okay thank you. So Trustee Allen you

[2:26:02] Voice 18: have a question? Trustee Stanford? Yeah thank you. Trustee Allen.

[2:26:14] Trustee Allen: Sorry I'm having issues with

[2:26:16] Trustee Allen: all these buttons I've already noted with Mark. Yeah I too thought well to be honest it's what

[2:26:26] Trustee Allen: is it 1.5 percent response was it in terms of our population of the survey and after reading

[2:26:32] Trustee Allen: and I said thank god it was only 400 and whatever people responded because my god was over 908 pages

[2:26:39] Trustee Allen: war and peace just over a thousand uh 27.5 hours or something to read but anyways um

[2:26:45] Trustee Allen: if any of the islands I'll say just what I got is Gambier you need docks, Salt Spring you need

[2:26:50] Trustee Allen: policing, Sydney Island wow I didn't even know they existed in our trust, Gabriola dogs, Bowen

[2:26:58] Trustee Allen: you want out. Maine feral deer, Turner feral goats, North Pender bike trails. Anyways, I did

[2:27:07] Trustee Allen: find it an amazing read. But yeah, if there's somehow, as Trustee Sanford said, if we could

[2:27:18] Trustee Allen: have, I don't know whether we could have some breakup. And yes, definitely islands, I could

[2:27:22] Trustee Allen: note, you know, they mentioned islands every now and then. Okay, that's Hornby. But yeah, it's been

[2:27:27] Trustee Allen: quite an exercise and quite a read and I wish I had it a month ago to read and I have more to

[2:27:33] Trustee Allen: talk about later on the budget. Thank you.

[2:27:37] Voice 17: Thank you Trustee Allen. Trustee Cahill.

[2:27:43] Voice 25: Yeah thank you very much and following on that I hope we are able to find time

[2:27:50] Voice 25: in one of our quarterly meetings just to actually have a look at a snapshot of what we've received.

[2:27:57] Voice 25: that was the most insightful review we've just had on this island is this and this is this and

[2:28:06] Voice 25: this is this well you know when you go to all the trouble of doing one of these surveys

[2:28:11] Voice 25: then the information has to be collated that's a lot of work and it normally points to something

[2:28:19] Voice 25: whether you're a company or whether your islands trust you go to this trouble it's sending a

[2:28:25] Voice 25: a message, and I hope, Chair, we will have an opportunity

[2:28:30] Voice 25: to look at how that message is coming at us

[2:28:33] Voice 25: over the whole of the trust region,

[2:28:35] Voice 25: because I think there's a story embedded there,

[2:28:38] Voice 25: and I think it's one we need to hear.

[2:28:42] Voice 18: Certainly there is a story,

[2:28:44] Voice 18: and I think that we've got an indication of that,

[2:28:48] Voice 18: that there are certainly areas for research

[2:28:53] Voice 18: and improvement, I suppose.

[2:28:55] Voice 18: So thank you for those comments.

[2:28:59] Voice 18: I'll ask if there's anything else, otherwise we'll receive this report for information

[2:29:04] Voice 18: and guidance and let us continue then.

[2:29:09] Voice 18: So Director Mobs, do you want to go to 11.2.1 now?

[2:29:17] Voice 24: 11.2.1 budget assumptions and principles, absolutely.

[2:29:21] Voice 24: Right.

[2:29:24] Voice 18: Do you just want questions

[2:29:25] Voice 18: about it or do you want to speak to it at all?

[2:29:27] Voice 18: I'll

[2:29:28] Voice 24: speak to it very briefly.

[2:29:30] Voice 17: Thank you.

[2:29:33] Voice 24: Okay.

[2:29:33] Voice 24: Okay, so the budget assumptions and principles we start here as usual it begins on page 603. This document has been updated to include considerations that have been taken into account for the current draft budget.

[2:29:45] Voice 24: Trust Council did review this document in December but there have been some changes since that time so I just wanted to briefly highlight those.

[2:29:52] Voice 24: Firstly, there was formerly of hope that the work of the Regional Planning Committee related

[2:29:57] Voice 24: to applications fees would be complete in time.

[2:30:00] Voice 24: to incorporate their recommendations into the draft budget for next year however that work is not yet

[2:30:05] Voice 24: complete and so no changes have been made to how the fees budget has been put together for next

[2:30:09] Voice 24: fiscal year there has been some additional information provided at items two three and four

[2:30:15] Voice 24: related to various grants that are included in the budget and how they are accounted for

[2:30:21] Voice 24: specifically there's a difference in how grants are applied or how grants are handled if they

[2:30:27] Voice 24: are restricted grants or if they are unrestricted grants. Unrestricted grants can be applied to any

[2:30:32] Voice 24: area of the budget and therefore do not have a direct and equal offset shown in the budget

[2:30:37] Voice 24: while restricted grants can only be spent on certain things and so they have specific

[2:30:41] Voice 24: expenses offsetting those specific grant revenues. Item 22 reflects the ongoing impacts of the

[2:30:48] Voice 24: COVID-19 pandemic and how this is woven into various aspects of the budget and at the very

[2:30:54] Voice 24: end of the document a few committee resolutions are cited to provide some background on some items

[2:30:59] Voice 24: in the budget um that we'll look at in greater detail as we move through the main discussion

[2:31:04] Voice 24: nothing further on that i can take questions before moving on thank

[2:31:09] Voice 18: you um are there any

[2:31:10] Voice 18: questions for the director on the assumptions and principles trustee morrison thank

[2:31:18] Trustee Morrison: you um very

[2:31:19] Trustee Morrison: much director mobs for this um i i did want to just emphasize that assumption that director moms

[2:31:27] Trustee Morrison: pointed out and we'll come back to it when we talk about the rfd related to the planning services um

[2:31:34] Trustee Morrison: conversation because my um this assumption influences a lot of how i'm thinking about

[2:31:40] Trustee Morrison: the budget this year thank you thank

[2:31:43] Voice 18: you any other questions trustee longer

[2:31:46] Voice 18: eyes yeah

[2:31:47] Voice 29: yeah i just

[2:31:48] Voice 29: Just to provide some clarification on some wording, I didn't quite understand it.

[2:31:52] Voice 29: It's with grant funding restricted.

[2:31:55] Voice 29: The opening paragraph says that these grants are not recorded as revenue only when eligible expenses have been incurred.

[2:32:03] Voice 29: I'm not sure what that means exactly because the next paragraph, it talks about it's recorded as a revenue.

[2:32:11] Voice 29: What

[2:32:11] Voice 18: page are you on, Case?

[2:32:14] Voice 29: It's on page 604.

[2:32:17] Voice 29: Thank you.

[2:32:18] Voice 29: it's item number uh three it's also it's really just clarification of what that means

[2:32:23] Voice 29: item number four as well

[2:32:30] Voice 24: so restricted grant funding um accounting standards dictate that even if you've received

[2:32:36] Voice 24: the funding you cannot show it as revenue until you've spent it on appropriate expenditures

[2:32:41] Voice 24: the reason we show the full amount of grant funding to be received as revenue in the budget

[2:32:47] Voice 24: it is we expect that next year we will fully spend that grant money on eligible expenditures

[2:32:53] Voice 24: and so in the year we would get to recognize the full revenue okay

[2:32:57] Voice 29: yeah i guess i just have a very

[2:32:59] Voice 29: simplistic view of all this stuff and i just thought it's not recorded and it's recorded

[2:33:03] Voice 29: and just didn't okay thank you thank

[2:33:06] Voice 18: you um i don't see any other questions i have my own question

[2:33:10] Voice 18: just for clarity and sometimes i'm a bit slow so i apologize for that but in the draft uh assumptions

[2:33:17] Voice 18: and principles with respect to the motion

[2:33:19] Voice 18: that was just passed for the reduction in the surplus.

[2:33:22] Voice 18: What is the assumption that with funds

[2:33:26] Voice 18: that may be freed up from the surplus

[2:33:29] Voice 18: with respect to the next item on our agenda,

[2:33:32] Voice 18: which is the budget overview and highlights?

[2:33:39] Voice 24: So we did talk about the use of general surplus

[2:33:42] Voice 24: in the assumptions and principles.

[2:33:44] Voice 24: We assumed that there would be no change

[2:33:46] Voice 24: to policy 6.5.1 reserves and surplus.

[2:33:49] Voice 24: plus. And that means that we would have been offside against that policy. With the change in

[2:33:57] Voice 24: the policy that's just happened, a reduction in the required minimum balance, we should be all

[2:34:02] Voice 24: good with the budget draft. And there's room to actually add some things into that and still meet

[2:34:07] Voice 24: the minimum balance. And I'll touch on that in a little bit more detail when we get to that section

[2:34:14] Voice 24: of the budget overview.

[2:34:14] Voice 18: Okay. I just wanted to set the stage for that because certainly the options

[2:34:18] Voice 18: are is to reduce the tax. We're not going to offset the overall budget, but we might want

[2:34:24] Voice 18: to reduce the tax requisition or choose to fund other items, which would then obviously increase

[2:34:32] Voice 18: the overall budget. And maybe I'm not being clear, so I'll just let it go and let's continue on. I

[2:34:42] Voice 18: think I've set the stage for that conversation to be there. So if there's nothing further on

[2:34:50] Voice 18: on assumptions and principles.

[2:34:52] Voice 18: Let's go to the 11.2.2 to FPC recommended

[2:34:56] Voice 18: 21-22 budget overview and highlights, 609 page.

[2:35:02] Voice 24: All right, so I'll dive right in.

[2:35:05] Voice 24: Yes, we begin our discussion on page 609.

[2:35:09] Voice 24: As usual, the start of this document

[2:35:12] Voice 24: summarizes some of the activities

[2:35:13] Voice 24: that various groups have undertaken

[2:35:15] Voice 24: to assist in forming the budget

[2:35:16] Voice 24: and molding it into its current form.

[2:35:18] Voice 24: I won't review that chart verbally,

[2:35:20] Voice 24: but note that it's there for the public's information

[2:35:23] Voice 24: as well as trustees information.

[2:35:26] Voice 24: The summary comparison of the budget against previous years

[2:35:30] Voice 24: and against actuals begins partway down page 611

[2:35:34] Voice 24: where we see that the current draft budget

[2:35:37] Voice 24: represents a 7% increase or $590,000 increase

[2:35:44] Voice 24: over the previous year's budget

[2:35:47] Voice 24: when the impact of non-cash amortization is removed

[2:35:50] Voice 24: moved as that's a better basis for comparison. It also represents a 12% or $928,000 increase over

[2:35:58] Voice 24: the current year actuals forecast. And again, that's looking at numbers after we've removed

[2:36:02] Voice 24: the impact of non-cash amortization. So those are pretty significant increases. The largest part of

[2:36:09] Voice 24: this increase is associated with work that is being funded by grants. So the trust will not

[2:36:14] Voice 24: have to pay for this work and it's $383,000 of the increase that is being paid for by external

[2:36:21] Voice 24: grant funding. $174,000 of the increase is associated with significant local trust committee

[2:36:29] Voice 24: projects specifically for the Salt Spring Island local trust committee and that's mainly for the

[2:36:35] Voice 24: Ganges Village project as well as a housing project. $80,000 of the increase is funded from

[2:36:41] Voice 24: the SWPA Reserve Fund for SWPA work. $530,000 is due to new staff positions as well as our usual

[2:36:49] Voice 24: wage increases for the existing staff base. And some of the other increases are associated with

[2:36:55] Voice 24: rising insurance costs, rising legal costs, technology costs, as well as an increase of

[2:37:00] Voice 24: $68,000 for strategic plan work. So that's a brief overview when we look at comparisons to the

[2:37:07] Voice 24: the previous year. Discussion of the budget details begins on page 612, where we look at

[2:37:14] Voice 24: planned revenues. So the largest source of trust revenue remains property taxes. Local trust area

[2:37:21] Voice 24: taxation in the budget is set at $7.1 million, which is a total increase of 4.09%, or $311,000

[2:37:30] Voice 24: from last year's budget. And I believe the briefing actually references 4.59%. That's

[2:37:36] Voice 24: incorrect it should be 4.09 percent of this increase of the 4.09 percent increase it's

[2:37:44] Voice 24: expected that 0.87 percent would come from non-market change factors such as new development

[2:37:49] Voice 24: and construction while the remaining 3.22 percent is a true increase on taxation from the base

[2:37:55] Voice 24: the Bowen Island tax levy is calculated at 305,000 in line with the existing trust policy

[2:38:02] Voice 24: and that represents a small 0.8% increase over last year.

[2:38:06] Voice 24: And it's expected that all of that increase

[2:38:09] Voice 24: would be generated from factors associated

[2:38:11] Voice 24: with non-market change within the municipality.

[2:38:15] Voice 24: Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee is once again

[2:38:17] Voice 24: requesting $75,000 in special tax requisition funds

[2:38:21] Voice 24: to fund the ongoing work of SWPA.

[2:38:25] Voice 24: There are, as I said, significant sources of grant revenues

[2:38:28] Voice 24: in this draft budget and total grant monies

[2:38:31] Voice 24: total $571,000. This does include $180,000 from the province, which is our usual annual operating

[2:38:40] Voice 24: grant, as well as new grant monies coming from three separate approved grants. Firstly, there's

[2:38:46] Voice 24: $156,000 in grant funds that have been awarded to the Trust under the Provincial Healthy Watersheds

[2:38:51] Voice 24: Initiative, and that's to support freshwater projects within the Trust area. The budget has

[2:38:57] Voice 24: as $22,000 in provincial grant funds

[2:38:59] Voice 24: that is awarded to the Island Trust Conservancy

[2:39:02] Voice 24: specifically for wetland restoration.

[2:39:04] Voice 24: And that's coming to us

[2:39:06] Voice 24: from the Habitat Conservation Trust Foundation.

[2:39:09] Voice 24: As well, there's $205,000 awarded to the Conservancy

[2:39:13] Voice 24: from the federal government to support species at risk work.

[2:39:17] Voice 24: So as I've mentioned, fees and sales revenue

[2:39:20] Voice 24: remains largely unchanged at $120,000

[2:39:24] Voice 24: as the fees reviewed by RPC is not yet complete.

[2:39:26] Voice 24: so we don't have good information to inform any potential changes to this figure at that time

[2:39:32] Voice 24: or at this time. Our investment earnings are projected to be historically low given low

[2:39:37] Voice 24: interest rates and is at $60,000 in the draft budget. So we'll jump into expenses shortly but

[2:39:44] Voice 24: the external revenue sources I've just covered is not enough to cover the planned spending for

[2:39:51] Voice 24: next year so a draw on surplus funds is included in the budget once again to balance the budget.

[2:39:57] Voice 24: The anticipated draw from surplus funds is $458,000 of this amount 174,000 will come from the General Revenue Surplus Fund and is allocated to strategic plan initiatives, which we'll see in detail later on.

[2:40:11] Voice 24: $204,000 is coming from the LTC project specific reserve fund and that's to fund LTC project work.

[2:40:19] Voice 24: And as well there's $80,000 planned to come from the Swipper Reserve monies, that's to fund projects associated with freshwater and Salt Spring Island.

[2:40:27] Voice 24: And a breakdown of these surplus draws is found at Appendix B in the agenda package, that's on page 622 for reference.

[2:40:38] Voice 24: Diving right into the expenses side of things, we see the largest expense for the Trust once again remains staff salaries and benefits.

[2:40:46] Voice 24: that comes in at $5.5 million and provides funding

[2:40:49] Voice 24: for almost 59 full-time equivalent staff members.

[2:40:52] Voice 24: This amount does include the standard increases

[2:40:54] Voice 24: and changes for all of our union staff

[2:40:56] Voice 24: in line with the union agreement,

[2:40:58] Voice 24: as well as projected increases for excluded staff.

[2:41:01] Voice 24: There's some parental leave costs,

[2:41:03] Voice 24: as well as costs for staff overtime,

[2:41:05] Voice 24: as well as our benefits costs,

[2:41:07] Voice 24: which is 25.4% of base salaries.

[2:41:12] Voice 24: Unfortunately, because the provincial budget deadlines

[2:41:14] Voice 24: lines have been delayed this year the provincial service agency was not yet able to provide us with

[2:41:21] Voice 24: the actual benefits rate for next year so what we've been forced to do is use the existing benefits

[2:41:28] Voice 24: rate as a proxy for next year's benefits rate and we hope that it will come in at an amount similar

[2:41:33] Voice 24: or lower to that rate so we don't see significant budget changes from what's approved a number of

[2:41:39] Voice 24: new staff positions are included in the budget including a new full-time permanent bylaw

[2:41:43] Voice 24: enforcement officer at approximately $83,000 for 10 and a half months of work, which acknowledges

[2:41:49] Voice 24: that the hiring process can take some time. There's two new positions for the Conservancy,

[2:41:54] Voice 24: a species at risk program coordinator and a field technician, both of which are funded by the

[2:41:59] Voice 24: federal species at risk grant money coming to us next year. So no cost to the trust for both of

[2:42:04] Voice 24: those positions. The draft budget also includes about $20,000 for a freshwater co-op student

[2:42:10] Voice 24: student who would provide support to the trust senior freshwater specialist whose workload is expected to rise, given the additional freshwater work that's planned in the air due to grant funds that are coming to us from the healthy watershed initiative, and this

[2:42:23] Voice 24: co op position is funded by islands trust money and not by the healthy watershed initiative grant monies, as all of the grant funds from that initiative are directed to projects and specific work.

[2:42:34] Voice 24: So I just wanted to make that clear.

[2:42:37] Voice 24: There's also a very small amount to continue funding

[2:42:39] Voice 24: a part-time temporary admin position

[2:42:41] Voice 24: in the Gabriola office.

[2:42:42] Voice 24: This is an as-and-when position,

[2:42:44] Voice 24: which means there's no obligation to us

[2:42:46] Voice 24: to provide set hours or provide a minimum amount of work

[2:42:49] Voice 24: for this role, but instead this person exists on our payroll

[2:42:52] Voice 24: so that we can lean into them only when needed

[2:42:54] Voice 24: as work is available.

[2:42:58] Voice 24: So moving on to trustee remuneration,

[2:43:00] Voice 24: that's been updated for current folio accounts

[2:43:02] Voice 24: and Victoria area December CPI

[2:43:04] Voice 24: in line with Trust Council policy. Trust Council meetings have $29,000 in the budget

[2:43:12] Voice 24: and these dollars assume that three meetings will be held electronically and only one will

[2:43:17] Voice 24: be held in person. This is directly in line with a recent FPC recommendation however it is not in

[2:43:24] Voice 24: line with the motion that was passed by Trust Council which was seeking to fund two meetings

[2:43:30] Voice 24: electronically and two meetings in person. So this is just one change of several that was made by FPC

[2:43:36] Voice 24: at their most recent meeting and I'll be touching on that a little bit later at the end of the

[2:43:42] Voice 24: budget this budget discussion. Trust council committees are planning to meet almost exclusively

[2:43:48] Voice 24: next year with the exception of one TPC meeting that will be held in person and so the costs for

[2:43:52] Voice 24: these meetings are almost nil in the budget. Executive committee has a small amount just

[2:43:56] Voice 24: three thousand dollars for their meetings which is a fifth of the usual amounts that we see from

[2:44:00] Voice 24: non-pandemic years and this again acknowledges most meetings will be electronic. Now after saying

[2:44:06] Voice 24: that about public meeting costs as our CIO indicated previously it should be noted that if

[2:44:13] Voice 24: the state of the state of emergency is lifted in BC prior to December 2021 we will be forced by

[2:44:20] Voice 24: legislation to hold more of these public meetings in person and that would mean an increase in costs

[2:44:26] Voice 24: costs over and above what is budgeted for these meetings.

[2:44:29] Voice 24: At this point, we don't know when meeting regulations are likely to change.

[2:44:33] Voice 24: That depends on the state of the pandemic

[2:44:35] Voice 24: and the progress that's made in vaccination rollouts, et cetera.

[2:44:39] Voice 24: But at this point, the possibility of

[2:44:42] Voice 24: revised classification on the pandemic in advance of December is not reflected

[2:44:45] Voice 24: in any significant way throughout the budget.

[2:44:49] Voice 24: You'll notice that LTC expenses remain largely unchanged from previous years.

[2:44:55] Voice 24: and that's to acknowledge that the bulk of these costs are actually for minute taker fees

[2:44:58] Voice 24: and that is not reduced regardless of the meeting format. Where there is a sizable cost increase

[2:45:06] Voice 24: associated with LTCs is in the area of LTC projects and that's coming in at $204,000 versus

[2:45:13] Voice 24: last year $71,000. A breakdown of these projects again is found at appendix B and that's on page

[2:45:21] Voice 24: age 622. The breakdown shows that there's $5,000 for a specific project on South Pender Island.

[2:45:29] Voice 24: There's $143,000 for three specific projects with the Salt Spring Island LTC. There's $39,000

[2:45:38] Voice 24: as a pool of funds that will be allocated to LTCs throughout the year as they identify projects

[2:45:43] Voice 24: they'd like to undertake. And there is $17,000 for OCP review support for the regional planning

[2:45:51] Voice 24: Committee. So there are business cases included in this agenda package for the

[2:45:55] Voice 24: LTC's that have specifically identified projects that are greater than $5,000

[2:46:01] Voice 24: mainly that's the Salt Spring Island projects for Ganges Village as

[2:46:05] Voice 24: well as their housing action project and both of those business cases are located

[2:46:10] Voice 24: at some agenda item 11.2.2.5. So every year the Islands Trust

[2:46:19] Voice 24: Conservancy Board puts their request forward to Trust Council for funding and this year that

[2:46:24] Voice 24: funding request is $850,000 and that includes the $205,000 in expenses that will be funded

[2:46:31] Voice 24: from the Species at Risk grant money and details of that budget request can be found at Agenda 11.2.2.4

[2:46:38] Voice 24: and I won't speak to that in any specific breakdown here but I suspect the Chair of the Conservancy

[2:46:45] Voice 24: board would be well positioned to respond to questions at the end of the budget detail

[2:46:52] Voice 24: discussion. So our office costs are very slightly reduced over previous years and that's to

[2:46:58] Voice 24: acknowledge the decision that we've made to relinquish one of the smaller rented units in

[2:47:02] Voice 24: the Victoria office location and we plan to accomplish housing more staff in less space

[2:47:08] Voice 24: by embracing the continued model of more remote working for staff as that's gone fairly well over

[2:47:14] Voice 24: the last year of this pandemic as mentioned not new information our insurance costs are on the

[2:47:21] Voice 24: rise and they're budgeted at the current year amount 185 000 our cao mentioned that we're

[2:47:27] Voice 24: exploring the ability to obtain insurance with municipal insurance association but as we don't

[2:47:33] Voice 24: know what that could result in what premiums we might be offered from that exercise we've left

[2:47:39] Voice 24: the figure at what our current rates are legal costs are continuing to rise so there's an

[2:47:45] Voice 24: an additional $20,000 in this budget over previous years for a total of $265,000 in the budget for

[2:47:51] Voice 24: legal costs. And that's for all of our legal activities. So legal opinions, general inquiries,

[2:47:58] Voice 24: the cost to defend ourselves against litigation, plus the cost of bylaw enforcement litigation.

[2:48:04] Voice 24: We have reduced contingency funding in the budget down to $5,000 with the acknowledgement that

[2:48:10] Voice 24: significant contingency funding could be supplied by our accumulated surplus if we really were to

[2:48:15] Voice 24: to need it. Our strategic plan projects that have funding in this draft of the budget are on page

[2:48:22] Voice 24: 618 of the agenda package. The total funding is $304,000 and all of that is coming out of surplus

[2:48:30] Voice 24: monies with the exception of public meeting broadcasting which is being funded by taxation

[2:48:35] Voice 24: and that was at the direction of FPC from their most recent meeting. So I don't plan to read

[2:48:39] Voice 24: through the list of the strategic plan projects. We've seen them before but each project does have

[2:48:45] Voice 24: an associated business case as usual and those business cases have been updated since they were

[2:48:50] Voice 24: last seen by council in December for any new information. So overall this budget would leave

[2:48:56] Voice 24: a balance of approximately 1.85 million in the general revenue surplus fund which is well which

[2:49:03] Voice 24: was 93 percent of trust council's policy minimum now it would be over and above what is required

[2:49:10] Voice 24: by policy given that we the motion was just passed to reduce the policy minimum amount

[2:49:16] Voice 24: so we're in good shape there and certainly you know there there's room

[2:49:20] Voice 24: there now after that change so that's it is for this agenda item I do think it

[2:49:29] Voice 24: makes some sense for me to review item eleven point two point two point three

[2:49:33] Voice 24: which talks about the FPC recommended changes to the budget before we move

[2:49:37] Voice 24: into questions but I'm happy to pause to see if that's the will of the committee

[2:49:41] Voice 24: or if they'd like to ask questions now before I move into that right

[2:49:45] Voice 18: so I'm

[2:49:46] Voice 18: inclined to recognize that i owe council a break at this point we had a break scheduled for two

[2:49:52] Voice 18: o'clock and we're now a quarter after two and perhaps this is a chance to uh absorb that and

[2:49:59] Voice 18: refresh ourselves and come back in 10 minutes is there a consensus on that or do you want to

[2:50:03] Voice 18: continue on uh i see

[2:50:07] Voice 18: nodding heads to go for a 10-minute break yep okay so let's reconvene then

[2:50:14] Voice 18: at 20 well let's say 27 minutes after by my clock here well actually if

[2:50:21] Voice 18: it's 2 19 digital time

[2:50:22] Voice 18: that's we

[2:50:23] Voice 14: could be at 2

[2:50:24] Voice 18: 30. sorry 2

[2:50:25] Voice 14: 30. thank you everyone okay welcome back council i hope you're

[2:50:36] Voice 18: refreshed um so i i i find this a little challenging with the recommended budget overview

[2:50:46] Voice 18: review and highlights which uh uh director mobs has just gone through and now there's a

[2:50:51] Voice 18: short briefing here on the fbc recommended changes that came about at its last uh meeting

[2:50:59] Voice 18: and i think uh director mobs was going to offer to uh review that and then of course as we advance

[2:51:06] Voice 18: through this we're going to see all these other items local trust committee projects

[2:51:10] Voice 18: strategic plans with uh other amendments and including of course the motion uh from

[2:51:18] Voice 18: select committee chair middleton to reintroduce the budget amount for

[2:51:27] Voice 18: that project and we will obviously entertain the debate on inclusion of any items removed or in

[2:51:36] Voice 18: or exclusion of items that council still feels need to be need to be removed so i just want to

[2:51:43] Voice 18: set the stage for that about expectations and i'll turn it over to director mobs to uh just address

[2:51:48] Voice 18: 11.2.2.3 and welcome any remarks from the chair of fbc or director mobs on the structural context

[2:51:58] Voice 18: of all this that i may have made enough of others recognize fbc chair growth i

[2:52:05] Trustee Grove: just want to point

[2:52:06] Trustee Grove: out i don't know how much detail we really need to go into in terms of the project requests and

[2:52:12] Trustee Grove: the start staffing requests i mean those those requests are all laid out very clearly and uh

[2:52:18] Trustee Grove: for everyone to see i mean i think at some stage we could just ask for comments or questions

[2:52:22] Trustee Grove: rather than going through them each in detail but that's uh just my thought i

[2:52:28] Voice 18: i would agree with

[2:52:29] Voice 18: that notion so let's work under that context if that's all right so director mobs i think though

[2:52:34] Voice 18: So, however, we do need to speak to 11.2.2.3.

[2:52:38] Voice 18: Do you agree, FPC Chair?

[2:52:40] Voice 18: So, Director Moss.

[2:52:45] Voice 24: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[2:52:47] Voice 24: So the briefing at 11.2.2.3 is here at the direction of Financial Planning Committee

[2:52:54] Voice 24: to provide some context, some information regarding some of the changes that were made

[2:52:59] Voice 24: to the budget at their most recent meeting.

[2:53:01] Voice 24: as some of these decisions or recommendations I should say remove things that are in the strategic

[2:53:07] Voice 24: plan or directly conflict with resolutions that have been made by trust council so it's important

[2:53:15] Voice 24: to understand a little bit how we got to that space so at the February FPC meeting staff informed

[2:53:21] Voice 24: FPC that the balance in the general revenue surplus fund was approximately 85 percent of

[2:53:27] Voice 24: of council's policy directive,

[2:53:29] Voice 24: which is a fairly significant deviation

[2:53:32] Voice 24: from trust council policy.

[2:53:34] Voice 24: And so dropping this balance this much below

[2:53:38] Voice 24: the policy requirement puts taxation

[2:53:41] Voice 24: or puts pressure on taxation in years following this budget.

[2:53:46] Voice 24: If the policy minimums were to remain

[2:53:48] Voice 24: at the levels that they were.

[2:53:50] Voice 24: So at that time, in the absence of a policy change,

[2:53:53] Voice 24: FPC made a number of changes to the budget

[2:53:56] Voice 24: to make sure that the general revenue surplus fund balance was not so dramatically offside

[2:54:03] Voice 24: against what policy said. So they passed a number of resolutions that are listed

[2:54:08] Voice 24: in the briefing. There was a resolution to remove $50,000 of strategic plan work for eelgrass

[2:54:15] Voice 24: mapping, to reduce $15,000 of the stewardship education program funding, to remove $25,000

[2:54:24] Voice 24: for strategic plan work associated with climate change indicators to fund the broadcasting of

[2:54:29] Voice 24: public meetings from taxation and not from surplus as well as to remove the $75,000 in funding for

[2:54:35] Voice 24: the trust governance management and operations review. So those changes brought the balance in

[2:54:42] Voice 24: the general revenue surplus fund to 93% of council's policy and with the revisions to the

[2:54:51] Voice 24: policy minimums that Trust Council just made, we are actually now in excess of the minimum balance

[2:54:57] Voice 24: and so Trust Council could decide to add all of these items back in and we would meet the

[2:55:03] Voice 24: new policy minimum balance. We would actually have 107 percent of the new policy balance.

[2:55:10] Voice 24: So some of the other changes FPC made impacted taxation and not the surplus balance.

[2:55:15] Voice 24: They removed a part-time temporary by-law communications position and funded the September 2021 Trust Council meeting as an electronic meeting instead of an in-person meeting.

[2:55:27] Voice 24: And so after these amendments, general taxation was brought from 3.72% down to 3.22%.

[2:55:36] Voice 24: and again those two motions do contradict motions that were passed by Trust Council which is why

[2:55:43] Voice 24: there was some context provided around that. At that same meeting FPC also funded the Salt Spring

[2:55:50] Voice 24: Island Housing Project which came in a bit late as a request for funding but they chose to add it in

[2:55:57] Voice 24: so I don't think there's much else I need to say on this other than FPC felt it was important that

[2:56:03] Voice 24: trust council understand the context of the situation that led to these changes um and also

[2:56:08] Voice 24: provide the a snapshot of what the budget looked like before these changes were made and so we did

[2:56:15] Voice 24: include in this agenda package uh the budget detail that um reflects or does not include these

[2:56:22] Voice 24: changes and so that is included as attachments to this briefing um at page 627 so i think that's

[2:56:32] Voice 24: probably all i need to say about this but absolutely can respond to questions okay thank

[2:56:38] Voice 18: you so um on um 11.223 and 11.224 i suppose because we did suggest that they'd be considered

[2:56:47] Voice 18: together are there any questions from the director or or fpc um i'm not oh there's one

[2:56:58] Voice 18: on Trustee Rogers and Johnston.

[2:57:02] Voice 18: So please go ahead Trustee Rogers.

[2:57:05] Trustee Rogers: I just want to be clear, I understand with,

[2:57:08] Trustee Rogers: I just want to be, could you,

[2:57:10] Trustee Rogers: have you already done the calculation

[2:57:11] Trustee Rogers: of the surplus fund new minimum balance

[2:57:16] Trustee Rogers: and what that is and how these various matters

[2:57:21] Trustee Rogers: that were removed by FPC, how that played?

[2:57:24] Trustee Rogers: Cause you, I didn't know if your 107%

[2:57:27] Trustee Rogers: was before these were put back in or if some if they were all put back in to to uh be paid out

[2:57:36] Trustee Rogers: of surplus i just could i have some clarity around that certainly

[2:57:39] Voice 24: so the the budget as it stands

[2:57:41] Voice 24: right now which incorporates the fpc motions to remove a number of items um when looked at

[2:57:48] Voice 24: against the new policy minimum which is reduced um we would have an excess amount in the surplus

[2:57:54] Voice 24: fund so we are not offside on policy we would have about 116 percent of monies in the general

[2:58:01] Voice 24: revenue surplus fund against what's required if everything that fpc took out at their recent

[2:58:07] Voice 24: meeting was added back in we would still be at a healthy surplus balance against the new policy

[2:58:13] Voice 24: minimum we would have about 107 percent of what's required okay

[2:58:21] Voice 18: thank you uh trustee rogers and

[2:58:23] Voice 18: Thank you, Dr. Mott.

[2:58:25] Voice 18: So, Trustee Johnston.

[2:58:27] Voice 15: I'm having trouble understanding.

[2:58:30] Voice 15: The recommendation is to remove the, and I can't even remember what it's called, I'm blanking on this, the governance review.

[2:58:37] Voice 15: Yet, it's at BC Bids asking for an RFP.

[2:58:42] Voice 15: Is that correct?

[2:58:43] Voice 15: That's correct.

[2:58:45] Voice 15: So, how are we going to reconcile those?

[2:58:47] Voice 15: We ought to change one of them.

[2:58:50] Voice 15: Because there's no point asking people to bid on something we're not going to support.

[2:58:54] Voice 15: to me that that review is important it's one of the most valuable things that we could do

[2:59:00] Voice 15: it may be that we're doing everything just fine but it would be really nice to know that

[2:59:06] Voice 18: okay well the most

[2:59:07] Voice 18: obvious reconciliation is that that be included in the budget

[2:59:11] Voice 18: well

[2:59:12] Voice 15: i would i would propose that i would move that is this appropriate time to do that

[2:59:17] Voice 15: um well let's just have a discussion first maybe

[2:59:20] Voice 18: yeah i think that it's worthy of having the

[2:59:23] Voice 18: discussion on these items i think there's some consideration for items 11.2.2.4 uh and beyond

[2:59:31] Voice 18: and then indeed i i think that at that point we should entertain what we want to add or remove

[2:59:37] Voice 18: so thank you for that trustee johnson that's all right trustee michigan uh

[2:59:43] Trustee Busheikin: thank you i do um

[2:59:45] Trustee Busheikin: i also have several items i would like to put back in one of them with a slight uh amendment

[2:59:52] Trustee Busheikin: So I guess we'll wait. I'm not sure what the right time is, but will you just let us know?

[3:00:00] Voice 18: well it's up to you as well to some extent but i i do think it's worthy of of just uh resolving with

[3:00:07] Voice 18: council um if there's any questions of clarity or discussion around 11.2.4 5 6 7 that's that's

[3:00:18] Voice 18: essentially it um and we and then we could proceed to add or remove as you see fit um

[3:00:24] Trustee Busheikin: okay so um we

[3:00:26] Trustee Busheikin: would do it at uh uh 11.2.2.8 that

[3:00:32] Voice 18: would be a good place yeah in

[3:00:33] Trustee Busheikin: my mind okay so

[3:00:35] Voice 18: trustee morrison

[3:00:36] Voice 18: would you like

[3:00:37] Trustee Morrison: to speak yes please so um thank you these numbers do get very confusing so thanks to

[3:00:46] Trustee Morrison: the all of trust council for our attention to try and weed through this um so it seems to me as we

[3:00:54] Trustee Morrison: make decisions about what what gets put back in as we do seem to have an appropriate amount of

[3:00:59] Trustee Morrison: surplus to draw from this year that we need to think about things that have already been agreed

[3:01:05] Trustee Morrison: to by trust council should take priority um because that just seems logical to me um and then

[3:01:13] Trustee Morrison: um then we should think about other things that we're hoping for uh across the next year so if

[3:01:18] Trustee Morrison: i can just offer that as guidance to council because if we're going to go back and forth

[3:01:22] Trustee Morrison: on motions it's going to be a little bit challenging for us to move forward on things

[3:01:26] Trustee Morrison: thank you thank

[3:01:28] Voice 18: you um i'm not seeing any other questions so uh i perhaps would suggest that i'll

[3:01:37] Voice 18: just ask um if um we receive the reports in 11.2.4567 or whether there's uh areas of clarity

[3:01:48] Voice 18: or questions or comments with respect to any of those and I'll just look for some raised hands

[3:01:53] Voice 18: of those sections that there are questions on so I'll start with trustee Fenton just uh and let's

[3:02:00] Voice 18: make a list so trustee Fenton which one would you like to uh speak to or ask a question of

[3:02:09] Voice 18: I'm

[3:02:10] Trustee Fenton: uh can you hear me yep okay um now I'm just moved myself so I can't find the

[3:02:17] Trustee Fenton: lady page um but it was just the items that were being pulled out of the budget the reduction in

[3:02:23] Trustee Fenton: education and um it where's that and what oh i know i need to look at that here so it's

[3:02:39] Trustee Fenton: yeah so now we've the climate change education so that's number three

[3:02:47] Trustee Fenton: and the indigenous education so i'll be number two of the list of five okay so you're back on

[3:02:54] Voice 18: on 2.2 i think um and so that's fine two and five i think you said sure uh

[3:03:02] Voice 16: ceo hudson pillar

[3:03:03] Voice 16: i wonder mr chair if we could just go just receive 11224 and then trust council puts its mind to that

[3:03:12] Voice 16: and says they've received it.

[3:03:14] Voice 16: Oh, we can do it one at a time, yeah.

[3:03:15] Voice 16: And then, because this is work

[3:03:17] Voice 16: that's contemplated for the rest of the year,

[3:03:20] Voice 16: for each one of these,

[3:03:21] Voice 16: they're not, I don't think they're omnibus.

[3:03:23] Voice 17: Okay.

[3:03:23] Voice 16: And then there would be any questions

[3:03:25] Voice 16: associated with the conservancy,

[3:03:27] Voice 16: anything with the project request,

[3:03:29] Voice 16: anything with staffing,

[3:03:30] Voice 16: and then you can go into your deliberations

[3:03:33] Voice 16: on inclusion or exclusion.

[3:03:35] Voice 16: It might be simpler.

[3:03:36] Voice 18: Well, I thank you for that,

[3:03:38] Voice 18: CEO Hotson-Piller.

[3:03:39] Voice 18: I'm succumbing to pressure

[3:03:40] Voice 18: of people wanting to get on to debating inclusion and exclusion.

[3:03:43] Voice 18: There

[3:03:44] Voice 16: might not be any questions on any of these,

[3:03:45] Voice 16: but at least you will have received the reports

[3:03:48] Voice 16: for each of these important areas.

[3:03:49] Voice 18: Okay, so if that's all right with council,

[3:03:51] Voice 18: I'm just going to simply ask the question

[3:03:53] Voice 18: on each one of the remaining items.

[3:03:55] Voice 18: 11.2.2.4, trust conservancy budget requests.

[3:03:59] Voice 18: We can receive that for information,

[3:04:01] Voice 18: or is there any questions of clarity on 11.2.2.4?

[3:04:07] Voice 18: And I do see Trustee Fenton's hand still up.

[3:04:10] Trustee Fenton: I think that's probably I just up from okay

[3:04:15] Voice 18: so then I'm going to then take it that 11.2.2.4

[3:04:18] Voice 18: be received by council as presented 11.2.2.5 is trust committee project requests uh greater than

[3:04:28] Voice 18: five thousand dollars uh 2.2.5 are there any questions of clarity

[3:04:34] Voice 18: that that item all right I'm not seeing any so I'm going to receive that as presented

[3:04:41] Voice 18: for information and 11.2.2.6 strategic plan projects and staffing requests that is there for

[3:04:50] Voice 18: us information on the budget any questions not seeing any and receive that for information also

[3:04:59] Voice 18: so 11.2.2.7 is the salt spring island water protection alliance special tax requisition rfp

[3:05:10] Voice 18: and this is actually something that needs to be moved now that i'm looking at it closely

[3:05:18] Voice 18: to include that request into the budget so 11.2.2.7 um i think that the item speaks for itself

[3:05:29] Voice 18: and i would look for somebody to move that motion and then we can

[3:05:31] Trustee Grove: have it make that motion chair

[3:05:33] Trustee Grove: can

[3:05:34] Voice 18: you read it out please i'm sorry i

[3:05:36] Trustee Grove: move that salt spring island local trust that the islands

[3:05:39] Trustee Grove: Trust Council include a special property tax requisition for the Salt Spring Island Local

[3:05:43] Trustee Grove: Trust area in the amount of $75,500 in its 2021-22 annual budget to fund additional operations of

[3:05:52] Trustee Grove: the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee in preserving and protecting the quality and

[3:05:56] Trustee Grove: quantity of water resources within the Salt Spring Island Local Trust area.

[3:06:01] Voice 18: Thank you. Do I have a

[3:06:02] Voice 18: seconder? Trustee Patrick has seconded the motion. Thank you

[3:06:06] Voice 18: very much. I just want to note to be

[3:06:08] Voice 18: sure that everybody is fully aware that this special property tax requisition is a tax that

[3:06:14] Voice 18: is levied only against salt spring island and um so just be cognizant of that so uh do you

[3:06:20] Voice 18: wish to speak to the motion peter no thank you trustee patrick secondary do you wish to speak

[3:06:25] Voice 18: to it no

[3:06:27] Trustee Patrick: just that this uh does fund the ongoing work and uh it will be um that the plan is to do

[3:06:34] Trustee Patrick: a significant uh strategic plan to really lay out the work uh for the next five to ten years

[3:06:40] Voice 18: right thank you and uh i don't see any hands up i just want to clarify this money was already

[3:06:46] Voice 18: accounted for in the budget even though we had to make this motion is that correct director morrow

[3:06:53] Voice 18: okay thank you very much so it's not changing the totals at the moment so then um 11.2.2.8 is there

[3:07:03] Voice 18: for reference uh uh can we vote oh yeah that's a good idea vice chair fast um all those in favor

[3:07:20] Voice 18: and any on the screen i see one and myself is one so that makes 24 uh trustees in favor i

[3:07:27] Voice 18: think that carries unanimously but are there any opposed just for clarity or lower your hands

[3:07:35] Voice 18: hands lowered hands lowered thank you and now any opposed on the screen

[3:07:43] Voice 18: none opposed so that carries thank you everybody

[3:07:48] Voice 18: so i think at this juncture correct me if i'm wrong um i would entertain motions to include

[3:07:55] Voice 18: or exclude additional items from the budget as proposed and now look for a show of hands trustee

[3:08:02] Voice 18: Johnson I

[3:08:03] Voice 15: have two brief points each time you refer to a number you are referred to or to a

[3:08:10] Voice 15: an item it's a by agenda number those numbers do not occur on the pages on each agenda item

[3:08:19] Voice 15: at the beginning it would be really nice if the agenda item number appeared on that page as well

[3:08:27] Voice 15: well I would concur with you there or or alternately we could refer to them totally

[3:08:33] Voice 15: by page number and that would help me get to where we are I thank you for that comment and I will

[3:08:39] Voice 15: make every effort to do that thank you my

[3:08:42] Voice 15: my second question is now that we've received those things

[3:08:46] Voice 15: that doesn't rule out any question does it if I know okay thank you I would like to make a motion

[3:08:55] Voice 15: that we I don't know if the word is reinstate the review project I think that

[3:09:06] Voice 18: you would want to say that you and you want to be very specific here you want

[3:09:10] Voice 18: to include it in the 2021-2022

[3:09:13] Voice 15: that's correct so

[3:09:14] Voice 18: can you please say that oh

[3:09:17] Voice 15: I

[3:09:18] Voice 15: would have to say it give me a minute and I'll look it up and see what it is

[3:09:23] Voice 15: i'm talking about thank you

[3:09:25] Voice 18: unless there's somebody else that's in a better position to

[3:09:28] Voice 18: make that motion isn't

[3:09:31] Voice 16: that middleton's motion

[3:09:32] Voice 18: it's kind of it is well trustee middleton's motion

[3:09:36] Voice 18: which was deferred until uh after 11.2.3 actually you know in fairness i i think that's where we

[3:09:44] Voice 18: decided to place that i should actually respect that however the dates need to be changed in it

[3:09:50] Voice 18: in order for it to concur so trustee johnson are you satisfied to allow trustee middleton

[3:09:55] Voice 18: motion to carry the weight for you there so can we get trustee middleton's original motion up

[3:10:02] Voice 18: on the screen you

[3:10:07] Voice 17: okay yes of course thank you just bear with us and

[3:10:12] Voice 16: you see if he wants

[3:10:13] Voice 16: refinement of it pardon me

[3:10:15] Voice 16: it's whether he'd want any refinement of it now that time has passed

[3:10:18] Voice 16: or if he's happy with that motion so

[3:10:23] Voice 18: there we have the motion um i would like to ask trustee

[3:10:28] Voice 18: middleton if you would consider a revision of this motion for that to be from fiscal 2021 to 2022.

[3:10:36] Trustee Middleton: um that what i think that's uh i uh defer to um uh director mobs i guess i don't think she

[3:10:45] Trustee Middleton: was able to answer the question last time as to whether or not once something is approved

[3:10:49] Trustee Middleton: in the prior fiscal if it doesn't automatically roll over

[3:10:52] Trustee Middleton: or it needs to be included in the budget

[3:10:54] Trustee Middleton: for the fiscal year in which the expenditure will occur?

[3:10:58] Voice 18: Excellent question, thank you.

[3:11:01] Voice 18: Select Committee Chair Middleton.

[3:11:03] Voice 18: Director Mobs, over to you.

[3:11:07] Voice 24: So it does still need to show as a specific item

[3:11:12] Voice 24: in next fiscal year's budget.

[3:11:14] Voice 24: So we are required by legislation to include a light item

[3:11:19] Voice 24: for all of the work that we plan to do so what trust council did with the previous motion that

[3:11:25] Voice 24: it passed was approve that that funding be included in the fiscal year budget for 2021-22

[3:11:31] Voice 24: that's what that motion provided and it gave approval that that funding would come

[3:11:36] Voice 24: from surplus monies that roll over from the current year into the surplus pool and so that's

[3:11:42] Voice 24: why the initial draft of the budget that was looked at by fpc did include that amount so fpc's

[3:11:48] Voice 24: recommendation that's um included in uh the agenda package their motion it was just a recommendation

[3:11:56] Voice 24: um so certainly trust council could reject fpc's recommendation to remove funding for the

[3:12:03] Voice 24: governance review um and add back the 75 000 into the draft budget uh to fund this work okay so um

[3:12:14] Voice 18: The answer to the question, then, is that this motion that's before us should say that this be included in the 2021-2022 budget.

[3:12:25] Voice 18: Would that be correct?

[3:12:31] Voice 24: Yes.

[3:12:32] Voice 24: And so the motion that was passed formally, it talks about where the funds will come from.

[3:12:37] Voice 24: It doesn't talk about where the funds will be used, right?

[3:12:40] Voice 24: So it approves the work.

[3:12:42] Voice 24: It says the funding will come from savings in the current year.

[3:12:45] Voice 24: and with that direction it means that I'm then required to show it in next year's budget so

[3:12:55] Voice 24: given the draft budget as it stands right now with FPC having removed that which is in contradiction

[3:13:01] Voice 24: with trust council's formerly passed motion I would suggest that a motion be made that trust

[3:13:08] Voice 24: council not accept FPC's recommendation to remove funding for the governance review from the

[3:13:13] Voice 24: the 2021-2022 budget and add back the $75,000

[3:13:19] Voice 24: into the budget to support this work.

[3:13:25] Voice 18: Okay, that seems unduly complex to me

[3:13:29] Voice 18: when we just simply want to add it into the budget.

[3:13:35] Voice 18: And the motion that's before us,

[3:13:38] Voice 18: I think is still problematic in the wording.

[3:13:41] Voice 18: So there

[3:13:42] Voice 16: is a motion in front of us, Julie,

[3:13:44] Voice 16: does this motion suffice?

[3:13:46] Voice 16: Can you see it?

[3:13:50] Voice 24: yes i can see it um so it doesn't tell me to add it back into the 2022 budget

[3:13:57] Voice 24: i could infer that or we can just add some word wording at the end of um the motion as it is right

[3:14:02] Voice 24: now thank

[3:14:03] Voice 26: you mr chair i'm prepared to make a motion to uh to ask council to uh ignore the

[3:14:12] Voice 26: fpc's recommendations to remove to defund um the review well

[3:14:18] Voice 18: that's that's fair enough uh trustee

[3:14:20] Voice 18: right however we have a motion that was uh um delayed i've lost the word um uh until now and

[3:14:31] Voice 18: that motion is but that was duly moved and seconded is now back on the table and so that this motion

[3:14:37] Voice 18: either needs to be amended or voted on and uh uh uh and um and then depending on that outcome

[3:14:46] Voice 18: another motion be uh advanced however it strikes me from what director mobs just said is that this

[3:14:53] Voice 18: motion could stand with an addition to it that says and it be included in the 2021 2022 budget

[3:15:01] Voice 18: and so i i got thumbs up from trustee kale there so that must be a good thing and others and so

[3:15:07] Voice 18: So actually, there's a motion on the floor.

[3:15:14] Voice 18: That was a hint.

[3:15:15] Voice 18: I'm looking for an amendment to the motion.

[3:15:17] Voice 18: Somebody can-

[3:15:17] Voice 8: I'd like to make an amendment to the motion.

[3:15:19] Voice 8: I've had my hand up for a little while,

[3:15:20] Voice 8: but I guess everyone else has too.

[3:15:22] Voice 8: So I liked your wording, Peter,

[3:15:24] Voice 8: and that the $75,000 be allocated

[3:15:31] Voice 8: from the 2021-22 budget.

[3:15:41] Voice 18: Thank you, Trustee Brent. You and I agree, and I'm happy with this. So

[3:15:46] Voice 1: do I have

[3:15:46] Voice 18: a seconder for that amendment to the motion?

[3:15:49] Voice 18: I second it.

[3:15:50] Voice 18: Well, there's lots of people who want to second it. I'm going to take Trustee Wright. I saw his hand first.

[3:15:55] Voice 18: And so now I'm going to ask Council to vote on the amendment on the motion on the floor.

[3:16:03] Voice 18: And then we will vote on the amended motion. So we're voting on the amendment.

[3:16:07] Voice 18: and um is there any discussion on the amendment and i see a bunch of hands up you might want to

[3:16:14] Voice 18: take them down and try again so this is on the amendment all right trustee kale you want to

[3:16:20] Voice 18: speak to the amendment um

[3:16:23] Voice 25: yes because i just i would just like to ask um director of the

[3:16:29] Voice 25: administrative services mobs just to reiterate please that when we looked at those uh items

[3:16:37] Voice 25: that was a recommendation, not a motion,

[3:16:42] Voice 25: but a recommendation from the financial services

[3:16:46] Voice 25: or the financial committee,

[3:16:48] Voice 25: that those amounts were in fact,

[3:16:52] Voice 25: if to be applied to the 2021-22 budget,

[3:16:57] Voice 25: were dissatisfied the requirements

[3:17:00] Voice 25: under the rules that we've just passed for the reserves and impact that we are covered, which I'm sorry I'm not trying to put words in your mouth.

[3:17:13] Voice 25: Julian, I just wanted to, I think I heard clearly that if those items were to be returned to the budget that we were within the parameters that we've just approved as far in terms of reserved.

[3:17:25] Voice 25: served so trust

[3:17:26] Voice 25: that's what i'm asking yeah

[3:17:28] Voice 18: trustee kale i'm gonna ask that you bring that

[3:17:31] Voice 18: question back outside of the context of this motion because i don't see the context of that

[3:17:35] Voice 18: question with respect to the amendment to the motion to amend the motion that's on the floor

[3:17:42] Voice 25: respect then let it just be said that based on that that i support this amendment okay thank you

[3:17:47] Voice 18: sir um uh trustee fast was the next speaker thank

[3:17:51] Trustee Fast: you chair yes i think it's uh speaking to the

[3:17:54] Trustee Fast: the amendment. I think I'm in favor of the amendment because it is appropriate. I have the

[3:18:00] Trustee Fast: RFP now and proposals must be received before 2 p.m. April the 6th. So it can't be spent really

[3:18:08] Trustee Fast: from last year's budget. So I think this is an appropriate year to spend it from if we're going

[3:18:14] Trustee Fast: to choose to spend it. My question for Julia is for the director. What will adding 75,000

[3:18:23] Trustee Fast: to this year's budget due to the municipal Bowen municipal Alec contribution if you can give me a

[3:18:31] Trustee Fast: ballpark so

[3:18:34] Voice 24: I don't know off the top of my head I can do some quick math maybe while the next

[3:18:38] Voice 24: question is coming up on the floor it will you know because it's being funded from surplus there

[3:18:43] Voice 24: won't be a significant impact it does change the distribution of amounts within the budget

[3:18:51] Voice 24: it so it does have a small impact as well there are pieces of this review that Bowen Island does

[3:18:57] Voice 24: contribute to so there would be a an offsetting credit to that increase I'd have to actually look

[3:19:03] Voice 24: at the numbers it's it's too difficult to give a ballpark okay

[3:19:06] Trustee Fast: thank you I

[3:19:07] Voice 24: would not suspect it

[3:19:08] Voice 24: would be significant I'll say that all

[3:19:11] Voice 18: right thank you so now speakers on the amendment

[3:19:16] Voice 18: not seeing any hands up or digital hands so I'm going to call the vote on the amendment

[3:19:21] Voice 18: amendment to add as it said on the screen all those in favor and I'll look for a show of hands

[3:19:33] Voice 18: I see that trustee Dodd's in favor on the screen and 18 electronic hands on my own hand will be in

[3:19:42] Voice 18: favor of this and so that makes for 21 in favor so please lower your hands and one more hand to

[3:19:55] Voice 18: lower there trustee kale and now i'll ask how hands are bouncing all over the place but i'm

[3:20:05] Voice 18: going to ask for those opposed and note that trustee kale your hand is up so please vote

[3:20:12] Voice 18: accordingly you're having trouble with that hand i can see those opposed i see one kale and pulver

[3:20:23] Voice 18: i see trustee kale and trustee colburn are opposed trustee kale are you opposed to this motion

[3:20:29] Voice 18: no

[3:20:30] Voice 25: no sir i'm having trouble lowering the hand is that is that hand down now please so do you

[3:20:35] Voice 18: just give me a of audible you are you are in favor of this amendment i

[3:20:39] Voice 25: am in favor and i

[3:20:40] Voice 25: apologize for the difficulty i'm having with the hand

[3:20:43] Voice 18: that's fine so trustee colburn opposed and

[3:20:47] Voice 18: uh so that carries um so thank everybody very much so now we have an amended motion

[3:20:55] Voice 18: which essentially just adds that line that you approved to the original motion from trustee

[3:21:00] Voice 18: middleton seconded by trustee brent is there any discussion on the original motion then not seeing

[3:21:08] Voice 18: any hands up anywhere i'm going to call for the vote all those in favor say again uh so there's

[3:21:18] Voice 18: a question from trust or so all those in favor i see two hands on the screen raised and i'm seeing

[3:21:27] Voice 18: 16 electronic hands and 17 electronic hands i'm going to put my hand up as well so that's 18 plus

[3:21:35] Voice 18: two that's 20 in favor please lower your hands waiting for one more hand trustee brent to lower

[3:21:50] Voice 18: thank you and so now all those opposed and trustee brent is opposed i'll just note

[3:21:57] Voice 18: no i'm having trouble is it lowered it's

[3:22:04] Trustee McConchie: lowered it

[3:22:05] Voice 18: is now lowered thank you so i'm

[3:22:10] Voice 18: so i'm seeing one two three four five six hands in opposition any opposition on the screen

[3:22:16] Voice 18: none so that's sorry five in opposition and so that carries all right so then that's

[3:22:25] Voice 18: a piece of work is completed.

[3:22:27] Voice 18: So thank you very much, Council.

[3:22:30] Voice 18: So now I want to ask, is there any other motions

[3:22:33] Voice 18: with respect to the budget about inclusions or exclusions?

[3:22:38] Voice 18: I'm recognizing Trustee Wolberton.

[3:22:47] Voice 19: Yes, I'd like to make a motion that Trust Council

[3:22:50] Voice 19: not accept FPC's recommendation

[3:22:52] Voice 19: to remove the eelgrass mapping project

[3:22:56] Voice 19: and to add that back into the 2021-2022 budget.

[3:23:00] Voice 19: it

[3:23:02] Voice 18: trustee wolverton that's lovely wording and i'd like to use that as an example for any future

[3:23:08] Voice 18: uh um items that pc has suggested to be removed excellent

[3:23:15] Voice 18: at ubcm they give

[3:23:17] Voice 18: gold stars out for nicely worded motions and i think i'll give you a gold star

[3:23:23] Voice 18: so uh that's a motion do i have a second i see truck ski rockefeller is seconding that motion

[3:23:29] Voice 18: and um you wish to speak to the motion trust you all uh

[3:23:33] Voice 19: no i think i think it's pretty clear okay

[3:23:37] Voice 18: and uh trustee rockefeller as a seconder um

[3:23:41] Voice 20: yeah i'd just like to point out that it's the eelgrass

[3:23:44] Voice 20: is one of our highest captures of blue carbon in the entire area and by mapping it we have

[3:23:50] Voice 20: scientific evidence to direct our planning so i think it's really important to include it

[3:23:55] Voice 18: thank you trustee anybody else was to speak on the motion on the floor and i i'm going to go to

[3:24:02] Voice 18: trustee beshaken sorry

[3:24:07] Trustee Busheikin: i had my hand up can you hear me yes okay because i'm getting a no i need

[3:24:12] Trustee Busheikin: to unmute signal i had my hand up to suggest something uh another uh amendment so not to

[3:24:19] Trustee Busheikin: speak on this so okay

[3:24:20] Voice 18: so on the motion that's before us uh anybody that doesn't want to speak

[3:24:24] Voice 18: to the motion you can lower your hand and those who want to speak to the motion i see trustee

[3:24:29] Voice 18: walton's hand but i'm assuming you don't want to speak again so trustee middleton oh sorry okay

[3:24:36] Trustee Middleton: yes trustee

[3:24:37] Voice 18: middleton wright and johnson who i have as speakers on this motion and trustee

[3:24:41] Voice 18: long arrives also go ahead trustee middleton thank

[3:24:45] Trustee Middleton: you chair yes i've argued um at the the previous

[3:24:48] Trustee Middleton: budget for this 50 000 to be included when it was also i think removed at the last minute um

[3:24:55] Trustee Middleton: previously but I'm just wondering if the requirement for it to be spent can be

[3:25:02] Trustee Middleton: met because there needed to be a matching grant that the sea change

[3:25:07] Trustee Middleton: Society who was the partner in the mapping project was to receive and I

[3:25:11] Trustee Middleton: recall in the the documentation that the grant sea change did in fact not receive

[3:25:17] Trustee Middleton: the grant so it seemed to me that that money was somewhat stranded and

[3:25:22] Trustee Middleton: therefore probably an easy cut by financial planning committee if it wasn't going to do

[3:25:26] Trustee Middleton: anything but that's what I need clarity around is it available to be spent under the terms

[3:25:32] Trustee Middleton: originally conceived thank you

[3:25:34] Voice 18: okay I see director Mahler has joined us and perhaps you can answer

[3:25:37] Voice 18: that question yeah

[3:25:39] Voice 1: thank you so as you say the sea change did not have the grant money so we're

[3:25:46] Voice 1: unable to match with them and the regional planning committee decided not to proceed with the project

[3:25:52] Voice 1: So the $50,000 that's in the budget now, the business case was put in under the same conditions.

[3:26:00] Voice 1: The intent is to match with an organization like C-Change to maximize the dollars.

[3:26:09] Voice 1: I have not had any indication yet from C-Change whether or not they have matching funds.

[3:26:15] Voice 1: So if this is in the budget, that would be the next thing I would do is see if we have matching funds, and if not, a devised regional planning committee, and then they can decide if and how they want to spend those dollars on eelgrass.

[3:26:32] Voice 1: Thank you.

[3:26:34] Voice 18: All right, thank you. So then I'm going to go to the next speaker on the list, Trustee Johnston.

[3:26:45] Voice 15: Peter, are you there?

[3:26:46] Voice 15: Eelgrass in our area is a big carbon sink. I think we highly overrate carbon sinks.

[3:26:56] Voice 15: We're taking out fossil fuels, burning them and putting them into trees which last hundreds of

[3:27:03] Voice 15: years and eelgrass which lasts a very much shorter time than hundreds of years. So that's just my

[3:27:12] Voice 15: my doubts about this and I also don't think that mapping gives us much except mapping

[3:27:16] Voice 15: data and it's out of date as soon as we've got it or very soon after.

[3:27:21] Voice 15: So are you speaking

[3:27:22] Voice 15: in favor or against the motion sir?

[3:27:25] Voice 15: I'm not in favor of the motion.

[3:27:27] Voice 15: I don't think I will vote against it but I'm not sure yet.

[3:27:30] Voice 15: Okay thank you.

[3:27:32] Voice 15: So let's go to

[3:27:33] Voice 17: Trustee Longerice.

[3:27:37] Voice 29: Yeah sorry I'm certainly in favor of this but I do question about whether the capacity

[3:27:43] Voice 29: to do it if you don't have the other party there involved.

[3:27:48] Voice 29: That's my concern about it.

[3:27:50] Voice 29: I mean, I think the mapping and the other thing is,

[3:27:54] Voice 29: and that's a good point that Trustee Johnson raised

[3:27:56] Voice 29: about how dated the information becomes.

[3:28:00] Voice 29: You map this year and when will we actually get

[3:28:03] Voice 29: to implement it locally in the DPA, say for instance.

[3:28:09] Voice 29: To me, that seems to be the main factor for this

[3:28:12] Voice 29: is where can we put in a dpa and i wonder can we just create a dp all around the island that

[3:28:20] Voice 29: addresses eelgrass mapping that requires some sort of study if somebody wants to put in a dock or a

[3:28:26] Voice 29: wharf so i have mixed feelings about it so did you

[3:28:31] Voice 29: have a specific

[3:28:31] Voice 18: question there trustee langer eyes

[3:28:34] Voice 29: or are you just uh no not a question per se okay

[3:28:39] Voice 18: thank you then so trustee morrison and then fast

[3:28:43] Trustee Morrison: um i'm in favor of putting this um of this motion um so that this is back in the budget

[3:28:49] Trustee Morrison: um i do understand that points that have been made so far but i think the thing i would add

[3:28:54] Trustee Morrison: to the conversation is that um it is often really challenging as we do sort of community-based

[3:29:02] Trustee Morrison: projects like this to think about you know does sea change get the money first do we get the money

[3:29:07] Trustee Morrison: first how do we do it since we only vote on budgets once a year so i i feel the need to put

[3:29:12] Trustee Morrison: this in play for this year so that we if we have a partner we can react to that partnership and and

[3:29:18] Trustee Morrison: be agile um i also hear what um trustee johnson's saying and i i guess i would argue that in

[3:29:28] Trustee Morrison: so far what i what i understand from blue carbon is that it is a sink the quality of

[3:29:35] Trustee Morrison: its sink relative to others of course we can debate that but that we should protect it and

[3:29:40] Trustee Morrison: And that that's in our mandate seems true to me.

[3:29:42] Trustee Morrison: And so we need to know where it is.

[3:29:44] Trustee Morrison: And maybe even, I think Trustee Langeris also has said some things that are helpful to think

[3:29:49] Trustee Morrison: about, okay, maybe we, maybe there are areas where there's no way to grow eelgrass and

[3:29:54] Trustee Morrison: we can think about refining the project specifically as we go forward, but I would like to have

[3:29:58] Trustee Morrison: the capacity to react.

[3:30:01] Voice 18: Thank you, Trustee Morrison. Trustee Fast?

[3:30:06] Trustee Fast: Thank you. And I agree with Trustee Morrison about eelgrass ecosystems being a carbon sink because it includes their roots and their dead grasses and all the other parts of them that lock the carbon away.

[3:30:24] Trustee Fast: way and uh i am i'm coming to you from an unbiased point of view here because uh bowen would not be

[3:30:32] Trustee Fast: included in this particular project because we've already been done to this level uh that means not

[3:30:39] Trustee Fast: just whether eelgrass is there but the extent uh is it um and and how how much and so uh at that

[3:30:48] Trustee Fast: level we use it. We use this mapping information quite frequently in terms of

[3:30:55] Trustee Fast: where somebody wants to bring the TELUS cable in. Will it cut through an eelgrass

[3:31:00] Trustee Fast: bed? We've used it for decisions around docks or entertaining decisions around

[3:31:09] Trustee Fast: docks. We've used it because you can get more refined info if you know about this.

[3:31:14] Trustee Fast: We've used it for the Armenian Bay Protection and Restoration Project with Sea Change and other groups, and we've actually taken out a license of occupation so we can manage boats in there, and we've got a buoy system.

[3:31:35] Trustee Fast: Anyway, and I also think, just to follow up again with Deb, we don't know when the grant money will become available.

[3:31:42] Trustee Fast: We also don't know if we have to do all the islands.

[3:31:44] Trustee Fast: Maybe this 50,000 could be used on the top priority

[3:31:48] Trustee Fast: or islands.

[3:31:49] Trustee Fast: And so I support this motion.

[3:31:51] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:31:53] Voice 18: Thank you, Trustee Fast.

[3:31:56] Voice 18: Okay, so hands down for those that have already spoken

[3:31:59] Voice 18: and then I'll go to Trustee Fenton.

[3:32:05] Trustee Fenton: Thank you, Your Speaker.

[3:32:07] Trustee Fenton: Support of this motion.

[3:32:08] Trustee Fenton: I think it's once again, the debate regarding its value.

[3:32:13] Trustee Fenton: you i i think it's uh the science on it is growing there's more and more support there's uh i think

[3:32:21] Trustee Fenton: just recently listened to somebody who was just presented on their um a study they're doing

[3:32:28] Trustee Fenton: relative to the context of the sailor sea uh maybe below the south 49th parallel but you know i think

[3:32:34] Trustee Fenton: there's opportunities if we don't have the money to start managing this stuff proactively as most

[3:32:41] Trustee Fenton: people it's outside out of mind so therefore it doesn't matter but as

[3:32:44] Trustee Fenton: pointed out by trustee fast and others that the you know this is a whole

[3:32:50] Trustee Fenton: ecosystem it's just not whether or not it's live or dead grass there's a lot to

[3:32:55] Trustee Fenton: account for so I think it's strongly needed thank you thank you

[3:33:02] Voice 18: trustee Fenton I'm not seeing any other hands up at this time so I'm going to

[3:33:07] Voice 18: to call the vote.

[3:33:08] Voice 18: All those in favor of the motion that's on your screen?

[3:33:11] Voice 14: And

[3:33:24] Voice 17: any hands on the screen?

[3:33:26] Voice 17: I see Trustee Dodd's hand up,

[3:33:29] Voice 18: and I see 16, 17 votes,

[3:33:33] Voice 18: including myself on the digital hands.

[3:33:36] Voice 18: And so please lower your hands.

[3:33:39] Voice 18: That was 18, right?

[3:33:41] Voice 18: And lower your hands, please.

[3:33:45] Voice 18: And any opposed?

[3:33:49] Voice 18: I see one hand, Trustee Allen opposed.

[3:33:52] Voice 18: that's correct then that carries um and that completes that work sorry

[3:34:01] Trustee Allen: that was wrong

[3:34:03] Trustee Allen: so trustee

[3:34:04] Voice 18: alan are you voting in favor or again yeah

[3:34:06] Trustee Allen: i was in favor sorry i'm having issues with

[3:34:08] Trustee Allen: my hand

[3:34:08] Voice 18: okay thank you so then that would then have been carried unanimously okay so are there

[3:34:15] Voice 18: any other items to include or exclude and i recognize trustee morrison thank

[3:34:21] Trustee Morrison: you um i'd

[3:34:22] Trustee Morrison: like to move that trust council not accept financial planning committee's recommendation

[3:34:27] Trustee Morrison: to exclude the stewardship education program reduction it's a little bit confusing the way

[3:34:41] Trustee Morrison: to word that one because that was actually a recommendation to reduce um the stewardship

[3:34:55] Trustee Morrison: education program reduction of nine thousand dollars to fund climate change no so just just

[3:35:08] Trustee Morrison: be the reduction to nine thousand dollars just leave it at nine thousand dollars oh

[3:35:13] Voice 14: we see it

[3:35:15] Trustee Morrison: i'll second that so

[3:35:19] Voice 18: that's seconded um so maybe just ask uh director mobs is that is that

[3:35:27] Voice 18: sufficient or do we would we need to prescribe the amount to be the total amount to be included

[3:35:33] Voice 18: in the 20 21 22 budget um

[3:35:39] Voice 24: what i would suggest is um just revised wording to say that tc not

[3:35:44] Voice 24: not accept FPC's recommendation to reduce.

[3:35:47] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I think so.

[3:35:48] Trustee Morrison: The

[3:35:48] Voice 24: Stewardship Education Program.

[3:35:51] Trustee Morrison: Yeah.

[3:35:52] Voice 24: And that the additional $15,000

[3:35:55] Voice 24: be added back to the budget.

[3:36:01] Trustee Morrison: Thanks, Julia.

[3:36:02] Trustee Morrison: And just take out that last bit too, yeah.

[3:36:04] Trustee Morrison: Back

[3:36:08] Voice 24: to the 2021-22 budget.

[3:36:15] Voice 18: Okay, thank you for your help with that,

[3:36:17] Voice 18: Director Moss.

[3:36:21] Voice 18: All right then, so...

[3:36:24] Voice 18: um so

[3:36:25] Trustee Morrison: just a clarity on who seconded that uh

[3:36:30] Voice 18: who did second it let me trust you be shaken okay

[3:36:33] Voice 18: thank you and um so now um is there you wish to speak to the motion christy morrison yeah just

[3:36:41] Trustee Morrison: briefly um just the the the stewardship education program we've talked a lot yesterday about how

[3:36:50] Trustee Morrison: education is a central tenant of what we need to do with our communities and we heard it a lot in

[3:36:54] Trustee Morrison: and the feedback in the Islands 2050 project.

[3:36:57] Trustee Morrison: And I really appreciated Trust Area Services efforts

[3:37:01] Trustee Morrison: in the fall for what they did

[3:37:04] Trustee Morrison: with the stewardship education program.

[3:37:07] Trustee Morrison: I think it could really be a flagship effort of ours

[3:37:11] Trustee Morrison: to help educate so that we're not always having

[3:37:13] Trustee Morrison: to do enforcement.

[3:37:14] Trustee Morrison: This is the opposite hand of enforcement is education.

[3:37:17] Trustee Morrison: So I really would appreciate this.

[3:37:20] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[3:37:21] Trustee Morrison: Thank

[3:37:22] Voice 18: you very much, Trustee Morrison. So speakers on the motion, the seconder wishes to speak to it. Trustee Bishrakin?

[3:37:29] Voice 18: Hi,

[3:37:29] Trustee Busheikin: yeah, I will speak up briefly just that this was the third most prioritized item on a list of, gosh, my memory says 12 to 15 items to do with climate change programs in the budget consultation.

[3:37:45] Trustee Busheikin: So it was number three on, let's say, the hit list that the community wanted.

[3:37:52] Trustee Busheikin: And I think that it's really important to engage everyone who lives here.

[3:37:58] Trustee Busheikin: And I heard really great feedback on the student education that's gone thus far.

[3:38:04] Trustee Busheikin: The total budget isn't huge, and I think it's well invested.

[3:38:09] Voice 18: Thank you.

[3:38:10] Voice 18: Thank you. Now, speakers on the motion would then be the order that I have here is Rogers, Peterson, Fast, Brent, Fenton.

[3:38:21] Trustee Rogers: Thank you. I support the motion. But just for some clarity, the $9,000 that was remnant is actually leftover money from this year and is earmarked for the Indigenous Climate Change Stewardship.

[3:38:36] Trustee Rogers: The $15,000 extra proposed was, of course, the details will be worked out by Trust Programs Committee, but was effectively to try and develop a set of information brochures to advise people in the community about the trust and for new owners, etc.

[3:38:58] Trustee Rogers: So it was sort of that piece of work that's been asked for by a number of trustees to prepare a brochure or some materials to get out to new owners to advise them about the trust, etc.

[3:39:10] Trustee Rogers: And it was with some reluctance that we proposed to take it out of the FPC, but it was felt that because the Community Stewardship Education Program was going to continue.

[3:39:20] Trustee Rogers: So it's that $15,000 that's being asked to be put back in and I support that.

[3:39:25] Trustee Rogers: Thank

[3:39:27] Voice 18: you Trustee Rogers. Peterson, Fass, Fenton?

[3:39:34] Voice 9: Thank you Chair. I would just echo some of the points from Trustees Morrison and Bushekin

[3:39:45] Voice 9: and I think there's a lot of value in the stewardship education

[3:39:49] Voice 9: in general and certainly I had a lot of positive response about the series that

[3:39:56] Voice 9: happened over the summer and fall last year and so i'm very much in support thank

[3:40:02] Voice 18: you fast brent

[3:40:05] Voice 18: fenton yep

[3:40:07] Trustee Fast: just to say i'm in support of this motion the more education uh the better and um

[3:40:12] Trustee Fast: especially with so many new people and so many visitors uh coming to the island and so much new

[3:40:17] Trustee Fast: information about climate and uh indigenous matters and new ways of thinking about the big

[3:40:27] Trustee Fast: issues in front of us in the world today from climate to loss of biodiversity and all those

[3:40:32] Trustee Fast: things as well as the changes on the islands I'm in support thank you.

[3:40:36] Voice 18: Thank you Trustee Brent and

[3:40:38] Voice 18: then Fenton and then we'll go to the vote.

[3:40:40] Voice 8: In support pretty much the same as everybody else

[3:40:42] Voice 8: I'm a huge fan of education of our community I think it's one of the most valuable things we can

[3:40:48] Voice 8: do thanks

[3:40:49] Voice 18: trustee

[3:40:50] Trustee Fenton: fenton yeah in support i think that the bridging and uh thank you to trustee

[3:40:56] Trustee Fenton: rogers for clarifying that the indigenous context that i remember that discussion when it was

[3:41:01] Trustee Fenton: actually being dumbed up as far as an idea so yes it's something that we need and i fully support

[3:41:08] Trustee Fenton: going forward with that thank

[3:41:11] Voice 18: you so that's it for my speakers list so i'm going to call the vote on

[3:41:15] Voice 18: the motion on the screen before you and i'll ask for a show of hands on the screen and digital

[3:41:21] Voice 18: hands uh if you have access to the computer the show of hands have been favor on the screen

[3:41:30] Voice 18: and digital hands on the computer i'm seeing 21 22 in favor i think that must be unanimous but let

[3:41:39] Voice 18: me ask you to lower your hands and let me see any in opposition lowering your hands any in opposition

[3:41:49] Voice 18: None in opposition.

[3:41:50] Voice 18: That carries unanimously.

[3:41:52] Voice 18: Thank you, everyone.

[3:41:56] Voice 18: Okay, it's 20 minutes after three.

[3:41:58] Voice 18: I, again, owe you another break.

[3:42:00] Voice 18: The day is blazing past us.

[3:42:03] Voice 18: We're obviously not going to get through all of this today.

[3:42:06] Voice 18: I would actually like to recess at 4.30, however, would entertain some flexibility there, but not a lot, because I want to respect everybody's needs to be with their families and get nourishment and rest.

[3:42:19] Voice 18: so do you want to have a break now or do you want to just keep going blazing on until 4 30.

[3:42:26] Trustee Rogers: uh i suggest we try and work our way through the rest of the budget mr chair yeah keep going

[3:42:32] Voice 18: blaze

[3:42:32] Voice 18: on blaze on that

[3:42:34] Voice 18: soldier on through the budget all right so i have consensus on that so let's

[3:42:39] Voice 18: keep going anything else to add or remove from the budget uh trustee fenton adding or removing

[3:42:48] Voice 18: moving items from the budget can't

[3:42:55] Trustee Fenton: hear you okay okay i'd like to um the uh add back the

[3:43:01] Trustee Fenton: development of a set of climate change performance criteria again we're just starting to get out of

[3:43:09] Trustee Fenton: the you know it's very out of the you know horses out of the barn here we're just trying to figure

[3:43:13] Trustee Fenton: out what it is we need to do this is a field that we need to you know whether we're co-partnering

[3:43:18] Trustee Fenton: with those people or what that actually looks like

[3:43:21] Trustee Fenton: at the end of the day, I'm not sure,

[3:43:23] Trustee Fenton: but I think it's an important and our timing is such

[3:43:27] Trustee Fenton: that this is something that we should be investing in

[3:43:31] Voice 18: not

[3:43:31] Trustee Fenton: diverging now.

[3:43:33] Voice 18: So let's just clarify the number

[3:43:37] Trustee Fenton: three.

[3:43:39] Trustee Fenton: So

[3:43:39] Voice 18: item number three, and so on the screen there,

[3:43:42] Voice 18: it says that you're moving that develop.

[3:43:45] Voice 18: Yeah, the wording doesn't look great to me.

[3:43:48] Voice 4: i i emailed draft motions for this to lori if you need them lori

[3:43:57] Voice 18: i'll i'll take the wording from trust council okay uh lori would prefer to take the wording

[3:44:03] Voice 18: directly from just council here um so uh trustee fenton can you look at that and tell me what you

[3:44:09] Voice 18: want that to say that doesn't seem to be properly constructed i'll

[3:44:14] Trustee Fenton: move that the development or

[3:44:19] Trustee Fenton: or what is it here that the i'll say move that the yeah develop a set of our climate criteria

[3:44:33] Trustee Fenton: be reinstated yes i think that's yes i think that's fine and do

[3:44:40] Voice 18: you have a dollar amount

[3:44:40] Voice 18: there just for the record

[3:44:42] Trustee Fenton: nothing wrong that i have to my fingertips no it was twenty five

[3:44:47] Voice 18: $25,000, $25,000. Thanks.

[3:44:59] Voice 18: Thank you for your help there, Lori. Is that satisfactory?

[3:45:04] Voice 18: Trustee Fenton?

[3:45:06] Trustee Fenton: Yes. Okay.

[3:45:07] Voice 18: So do I have a seconder for that motion?

[3:45:12] Voice 18: Trustee Lange or Rice, I see your hand. And so Trustee Fenton,

[3:45:17] Voice 18: I think you spoke to it, but do you want to just clarify or not?

[3:45:21] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, just that it's, once again,

[3:45:23] Trustee Fenton: it's a field we need to figure out and figure out what and refine we don't want to be just about

[3:45:28] Trustee Fenton: they're blazing wasting money but at the same time i think it's something we need to have pool of

[3:45:32] Trustee Fenton: money and ability to move forward in this area um and developing criteria because if we're not

[3:45:39] Trustee Fenton: measuring no different than kpas in your business plan we we have to be sort of figuring out and

[3:45:45] Trustee Fenton: evaluating things as we go so i think climate change is going to be something where we need

[3:45:51] Trustee Fenton: to actually be doing you know evaluating and finding ways of measuring our own performance

[3:46:00] Trustee Fenton: in that area okay

[3:46:02] Voice 18: thank you then so uh does the seconder wish to speak to the motion

[3:46:08] Voice 29: uh no i think what trustee fenton uh said pretty well captured that we do need to have some data

[3:46:14] Voice 18: all right thank

[3:46:14] Voice 18: you so then i see on my speakers this year i have trustee right

[3:46:17] Voice 18: and anybody else who wants to raise their hand please do so now trustee right

[3:46:26] Voice 18: The thing

[3:46:29] Voice 26: that I'm a little nervous about is the word develop a set of climate change performance criteria.

[3:46:36] Voice 26: I'm quite sure that universities in the area, and I'm sure there's other bodies and agencies that have already developed climate change performance criteria.

[3:46:44] Voice 26: So what I'm wondering is whether the mover would accept a friendly amendment to change that to collect a set rather than reinvent the wheel.

[3:46:54] Voice 26: I'm sure the information is out there and we just need to collect that together so that it fits our particular area.

[3:47:04] Voice 18: Is Director Frater on the line here? Can you comment on how we might achieve this?

[3:47:10] Trustee Fenton: Collaborate.

[3:47:13] Voice 3: Thank you, Chair. Yes, the wording develop a set of climate change performance criteria is taken from the strategic plan language.

[3:47:21] Voice 3: which um and as you see in your business case that was the project contemplated by tpc at this

[3:47:28] Voice 3: point you might remember you had a report that was delivered to council on um climate change

[3:47:33] Voice 3: indicators that was scope for the project again it is beyond the ability likely of islands trust to

[3:47:39] Voice 3: develop um indicators on its own but certainly could this funding could be used to partner and

[3:47:44] Voice 3: support others that are undertaking work um so the verb doesn't particularly matter to me i think

[3:47:49] Voice 3: trust programs committee will consider what opportunities arise and then whether it's

[3:47:53] Voice 3: developed or i can't remember the other verb um what was the other verb anyway i don't think it's

[3:47:58] Voice 3: particularly um critical at this stage which verb is used we will be looking at indicators generally

[3:48:04] Voice 3: around climate change right

[3:48:05] Voice 18: okay thank you and that obviously captures an item that's in the

[3:48:08] Voice 18: strategic plan with that specific wording all right then so um if we're satisfied with that

[3:48:17] Voice 18: that explanation, the language there stands

[3:48:19] Voice 18: unless somebody really wants to modify it.

[3:48:22] Voice 18: Otherwise, other speakers on the motion

[3:48:24] Voice 18: are Brent Rogers, Fenton and Fast.

[3:48:28] Voice 8: Mine is more a question is,

[3:48:31] Voice 8: so we talk about climate change performance criteria.

[3:48:36] Voice 8: So do we have baseline climate change?

[3:48:40] Voice 8: I mean, I guess it's a question of trustee Morrison

[3:48:43] Voice 8: and that group, but I was somehow under the opinion

[3:48:47] Voice 8: that our our baselines in in the uh trust area were pretty much non-existent in a lot of a lot

[3:48:55] Voice 8: of cases so is this the same or is it something different just just a little bit of clarity

[3:49:01] Voice 8: i

[3:49:02] Trustee Morrison: might respond please

[3:49:04] Voice 18: trustee morrison um

[3:49:06] Trustee Morrison: this is literally that project um trustee brent it's

[3:49:09] Trustee Morrison: it's trying to get at the idea that we actually need to establish what measures we're using for

[3:49:14] Trustee Morrison: baseline because we have various goal statements across the trust but in at an island corporate we

[3:49:22] Trustee Morrison: have measures that we can use but in terms of island by island we don't really have measures

[3:49:26] Trustee Morrison: that we can use that are appropriate for our island communities because of the types of

[3:49:30] Trustee Morrison: information that we have so yeah that it is literally what you just suggested yeah good thank

[3:49:37] Voice 8: you i will be in favor trustee rogers

[3:49:40] Voice 18: and fast vento yeah

[3:49:45] Trustee Rogers: um i must say i i i read the business

[3:49:49] Trustee Rogers: case a number of times and i'm skeptical about our ability to do this and i also know that we

[3:49:54] Trustee Rogers: have the proposal from the uh the sea to sky um uh group uh in terms of doing this exact kind of

[3:50:02] Trustee Rogers: work in our area um but i guess my uh i guess i guess i'll end up supporting it but i i would

[3:50:11] Trustee Rogers: really like a c to see us partner with people who are doing this work uh on a much more profession

[3:50:17] Trustee Rogers: you know i shouldn't say i'm much more professional that have the professional expertise

[3:50:21] Trustee Rogers: so uh i what as i heard director frader say we can use it to partner that's where i'd like to

[3:50:27] Trustee Rogers: see this music money being used so i will support it on that basis thank

[3:50:32] Voice 18: you trustee rogers and i

[3:50:34] Voice 18: get brent and rogers to lower your hands and i'll go to trustee fest thank

[3:50:39] Trustee Fast: you i'll be speaking in

[3:50:40] Trustee Fast: support of this motion i um i think we need climate indicators because it's this huge issue and uh i've

[3:50:48] Trustee Fast: i believe at bowen council um we've also uh received a presentation from my sea to sky

[3:50:55] Trustee Fast: at that time it was a little later than they had present well I've seen them at

[3:51:00] Trustee Fast: Howe Sound Community Forum as well anyway they there's several groups involved in the project

[3:51:07] Trustee Fast: as it's developing through My Sea to Sky whether that's somebody we choose to partner with that

[3:51:13] Trustee Fast: group or not but they have contacts at UBC that as I recall that are working on this at the

[3:51:22] Trustee Fast: at the research kind of level and academic level and I think it's starting to look like a really

[3:51:28] Trustee Fast: good project from what I've seen so far not that I'm tying that in but the idea is that

[3:51:32] Trustee Fast: on this collaboration basis is why I will be supporting this motion thank you

[3:51:37] Trustee Fast: and

[3:51:39] Voice 18: thank you very much trustee Fenton as the mover the final word

[3:51:44] Trustee Fenton: yeah and that's exactly I

[3:51:46] Trustee Fenton: mean just rings bells and that's the BCIT I think it's UBC there's a bunch of them and they are

[3:51:51] Trustee Fenton: actually looking at local governments and what they need and what they could do or what could

[3:51:55] Trustee Fenton: be done collaboratively across the country um because we all understand that we can't do it

[3:52:01] Trustee Fenton: by ourselves and we don't necessarily house the expertise but we do need the data and going

[3:52:09] Trustee Fenton: forward it'll be very important thank you

[3:52:12] Voice 18: so is there a dog or something in the audio there that's

[3:52:22] Voice 18: I SEE TRUSTEE WOLVERTON NOW. I DID SUGGEST BENTON WOULD HAVE

[3:52:27] Voice 18: THE LAST WORD. TRUSTEE WOLVERTON ON THIS MOTION

[3:52:29] Voice 18: YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD?

[3:52:34] Voice 19: GALIANO HAS AN EQUAL FOOTPRINT

[3:52:37] Voice 19: PILOT PROJECT GOING ON AND THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S

[3:52:40] Voice 19: CONNECTED WITH BCIT. THANK YOU.

[3:52:43] Voice 18: SO IF YOU DON'T MIND I'LL CALL THE VOTE ON THE MOTION THAT'S ON

[3:52:47] Voice 18: your screen all

[3:52:49] Voice 14: those in favor look

[3:52:58] Voice 18: at that we have unanimous uh in favor but let me just double

[3:53:02] Voice 18: check lower your hands and and any opposed and i said okay any

[3:53:13] Voice 18: opposed none opposed so that does

[3:53:17] Voice 18: indeed carry unanimously is there any additional additions or or exclusions from the budget

[3:53:24] Voice 18: anybody else trustee be shaken

[3:53:26] Voice 17: okay

[3:53:33] Trustee Busheikin: i i'm pleased to say i had four ideas um kind of four and one

[3:53:37] Trustee Busheikin: i'm not sure about and and um two and a half have been dealt with so i'm happy to uh see that so i

[3:53:46] Trustee Busheikin: have two and the first one is the what has been called the bylaw communication specialist position

[3:53:53] Trustee Busheikin: and my motion is that this position so I will move that the bylaw why don't I do a very brief

[3:54:01] Trustee Busheikin: preamble well sure I'll do the preamble um this this is a communications position and it's very

[3:54:10] Trustee Busheikin: much tied to the conversation we just had about the stewardship education this would be additional

[3:54:14] Trustee Busheikin: help for that and more and it really for me it wasn't so much about educating the people on

[3:54:19] Trustee Busheikin: bylaws or bylaw enforcement, but it was about going into the communities and doing education

[3:54:23] Trustee Busheikin: so people understand where they are when they arrive as visitors, as looking for a place to

[3:54:29] Trustee Busheikin: live they've just bought. They understand. They get the message. There's no way they can avoid

[3:54:34] Trustee Busheikin: knowing that they're in this very special place, that there are bylaws, there are reasons for the

[3:54:38] Trustee Busheikin: bylaws, there are eagle trees, there is eelgrass, and here's how they're being asked to contribute

[3:54:46] Trustee Busheikin: to that by being good citizens. And so this has included things like developing materials so that

[3:54:53] Trustee Busheikin: meetings can be set up maybe once a year with tradespeople, real estate agents, welcome packages,

[3:54:58] Trustee Busheikin: maybe mail out once a year to property owners, that kind of thing. And I think this could be

[3:55:07] Trustee Busheikin: done as a one-year position to develop the templates and the material, and then that could

[3:55:11] Trustee Busheikin: be carried on so i have altered it a bit and uh we keep hearing how we want to tell our story and

[3:55:20] Trustee Busheikin: people don't understand the trust we see that when we get the uh the consultation feedback that people

[3:55:27] Trustee Busheikin: don't understand what we do so this could be part of it as a little back sheet of who does what you

[3:55:32] Trustee Busheikin: know a little chart but what does the islands trust do what does the regional district do people ask

[3:55:38] Trustee Busheikin: me that all the time um so i'm going to move that the bylaw communications specialist position be

[3:55:47] Trustee Busheikin: renamed community outreach communications specialist and be is the word we're using

[3:56:04] Trustee Busheikin: reinstated. Let's say reinstated in the 2021-22 budget as a one-year position to be funded from

[3:56:17] Trustee Busheikin: surplus. Do you

[3:56:24] Trustee Busheikin: have an amount for that? $35,260. So

[3:56:33] Voice 18: that must be a part-time position.

[3:56:38] Trustee Busheikin: It is. I think it was a half-time position. I

[3:56:41] Voice 18: think that should be specified.

[3:56:42] Voice 18: Sure.

[3:56:44] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, the business case does specify that, but I'm happy to add that maybe comma as a part-time position at a total cost of $35,260.

[3:56:55] Voice 18: Just trying to make sure that the motion is clear.

[3:56:57] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, that's good.

[3:56:58] Voice 18: What about the acronym?

[3:57:01] Voice 18: I'm not, I'm not.

[3:57:04] Voice 18: So there's obviously a number.

[3:57:07] Voice 18: you know it's interesting um about motions that are uh that have the word and in the middle

[3:57:15] Voice 18: that say make one statement and a second statement and whether or not and so is there a difference

[3:57:22] Voice 18: between different aspects of it but let's just see what council thinks about this as lori is

[3:57:28] Voice 18: is getting this tweaked up for us.

[3:57:35] Trustee Busheikin: 35,260.

[3:57:41] Voice 18: Okay, so is that the motion that you want to present

[3:57:44] Voice 18: Trustee Beshaken?

[3:57:46] Trustee Busheikin: Sure, I mean, maybe I don't know that the numbers

[3:57:49] Trustee Busheikin: kind of floating in there, maybe just in brackets.

[3:57:53] Trustee Busheikin: And that is certainly what I would like to say.

[3:57:58] Voice 18: Julia has her hand up.

[3:58:00] Voice 18: we're looking for some uh you have a recommendation here julian uh

[3:58:06] Voice 24: yeah so the the total cost for this

[3:58:08] Voice 24: position is indeed 35 260 um a thousand dollars of that was actually coming from existing budgets

[3:58:15] Voice 24: that were going to be allocated to this position so it was only 34 260 that was removed from the

[3:58:21] Voice 24: budget by fpc so i think we should change that to 34 as the other thousand is still in there

[3:58:26] Voice 24: thank you thank

[3:58:28] Voice 18: you I trust uh CEO Hudson-Piller you have something to help with um trustee

[3:58:34] Voice 18: do you love the title uh

[3:58:38] Trustee Busheikin: no no I don't but I I

[3:58:41] Trustee Busheikin: I I am closer to loving it than I am the original

[3:58:45] Trustee Busheikin: title but it could be renamed later community

[3:58:48] Voice 16: um communication specialist as we get these

[3:58:52] Voice 16: forward titles that get acronymed.

[3:58:54] Trustee Busheikin: Oh, I don't

[3:58:56] Trustee Busheikin: like that acronym. Community Communications

[3:58:59] Trustee Busheikin: Specialist is fine.

[3:59:00] Voice 16: Thank you. Good catch.

[3:59:06] Voice 18: So is there a seconder for this motion? Second.

[3:59:10] Voice 18: Seconded by Trustee Fass. Thank you. I believe you've spoken to this motion. Is that correct,

[3:59:15] Voice 18: Trustee Boucher? I have. Trustee Fass, do you want to add anything? And then I'll go to the

[3:59:20] Voice 18: speakers list, which is getting longer.

[3:59:22] Trustee Fast: Just that I agree with what Trustee Boushekin said. We need

[3:59:26] Trustee Fast: more education for all the reasons I just said about the other one. Thank you.

[3:59:33] Voice 18: All right. Trustee

[3:59:34] Voice 18: Johnston, Brent, Allen, Rogers, Coburn, Langerice.

[3:59:40] Voice 15: Thank you. I support the motion. I wonder why we

[3:59:43] Voice 15: say how it should be funded. I think we should just say what we want and let staff decide whether

[3:59:50] Voice 15: whether it's funded from surplus from taxation,

[3:59:53] Voice 15: purchase of lottery tickets

[3:59:55] Voice 15: or sales of trust equipment and furniture.

[4:00:00] Voice 18: I don't know that a government is allowed to buy lottery tickets, but I'll let you think about that.

[4:00:06] Voice 18: So thank you, Peter Johnson, for your comment.

[4:00:09] Voice 18: Let's go to Trustee Brent.

[4:00:14] Voice 8: Hi. Well, I don't have any objection to the intent and the delivery.

[4:00:21] Voice 8: What worries me is yet another position.

[4:00:25] Voice 8: position and you know last nine years I've seen how these part-time positions they tend to stick

[4:00:35] Voice 8: and um I'd be way happier if we were to spend the exact same amount of money

[4:00:41] Voice 8: on a contractor given the fact that it's probably going to be one year that it's going to be

[4:00:46] Voice 8: um uh perhaps brochures and the likes from what the sound of it it didn't sound like um we really

[4:00:55] Voice 8: should have a a position I'd much rather have a contractor I don't know how I'm

[4:01:02] Voice 8: going to vote for it but I think that should be a consideration thank you

[4:01:09] Voice 17: trustee Ben trustee Alan I'm

[4:01:12] Trustee Allen: slightly following trustee Brent's I I have an

[4:01:16] Trustee Allen: issue with this because we have done outreach in terms of from I was trust

[4:01:22] Trustee Allen: with information regarding bylaws and whatever and I found in our community

[4:01:27] Trustee Allen: it's not so receptive from some of the audience trust telling the community what you can and not

[4:01:32] Trustee Allen: do and I know you've changed it and taken the word bylaw from the title I just feel it us as

[4:01:39] Trustee Allen: the trustees and we've got so much information already on our you know my shelf right here as

[4:01:45] Trustee Allen: I look brochures etc on all sorts of bylaws and what not to do and and especially for new

[4:01:53] Trustee Allen: members and I just know I'm not sure whether I'm I'm gonna vote for this

[4:01:57] Trustee Allen: because I think we can do it on our own as trustees and we can share a lot of

[4:02:02] Trustee Allen: material across across the board Thank

[4:02:06] Voice 18: You trustee Allen so trustee Rogers

[4:02:08] Voice 18: Coburn McConkie Patrick

[4:02:13] Trustee Rogers: I will be rockingly voting against this for two

[4:02:19] Trustee Rogers: reasons one is I don't think it's appropriate to fund positions out of

[4:02:24] Trustee Rogers: surplus um i i think we should be uh if we're going to do a position we should fund it out of

[4:02:30] Trustee Rogers: our regular budget and secondly as i said at fpc this particular function that's being proposed

[4:02:38] Trustee Rogers: which is effectively a modification of the early one we've already we've already got in our budget

[4:02:43] Trustee Rogers: a new bylaw officer position who could do and they do communications outreach and we just put

[4:02:50] Trustee Rogers: put in an extra fifteen thousand dollars into the um into the community education the stewardship

[4:02:57] Trustee Rogers: education which is effectively doing exactly this kind of work which is as to put the money into

[4:03:04] Trustee Rogers: educating people on the islands related to uh to this so i i'm afraid i i can't support this

[4:03:12] Voice 18: Trustee Rogers, Trustee Coburn, McConkie, Patrick, and then Reshaken is the mover.

[4:03:22] Trustee Colbourne: I'm in favor of this.

[4:03:23] Trustee Colbourne: I believe any communication we do will cut down on the number of meetings where we're

[4:03:27] Trustee Colbourne: making decisions on things that have already been done.

[4:03:30] Trustee Colbourne: And that's been my experience as a decision maker within the trust is they're often we're

[4:03:34] Trustee Colbourne: playing catch up to things that where people have learned that they have obligations and

[4:03:38] Trustee Colbourne: regulations to follow.

[4:03:38] Trustee Colbourne: I understand what Vice Chair Rogers just said in it, but this, to me, could have a supremely effective impact on reducing ecological damage and reducing the costs involved with the catch-up process that, sadly, the trust and local trust committees spend a lot of time, effort, and staff money on.

[4:04:05] Voice 18: Thank you, Trustee Colbert.

[4:04:08] Trustee McConchie: Trustee McConkie?

[4:04:09] Trustee McConchie: I appreciate Trustee Boushakian's attempt to educate folks, but I have to speak against the motion on the principle that, you know, personally, I'm tired of scrambling to make a living with seven different jobs.

[4:04:23] Trustee McConchie: And I don't think the trust should be promoting part-time positions. It's a full-time position. It's a full-time position. It's needed.

[4:04:30] Trustee McConchie: it's like we're just talking about affordable housing it's really expensive

[4:04:34] Trustee McConchie: to live here it's really expensive to live in Victoria and it's like let's

[4:04:38] Trustee McConchie: create a real position that pays people appropriately or not you know so I just

[4:04:43] Trustee McConchie: want to represent some some of the young families that that scramble to make a

[4:04:47] Trustee McConchie: living here in the islands thank you thank

[4:04:51] Voice 17: you trustee McConkie trustee

[4:04:55] Voice 17: Patrick I

[4:04:57] Trustee Patrick: know I supported this originally when when we added the bylaw

[4:05:02] Trustee Patrick: officer that to me we needed to equally support the communication side because I you know I'm

[4:05:12] Trustee Patrick: going to start keeping statistics but a huge percentage of the applications that come before

[4:05:17] Trustee Patrick: us are dealing with retroactive behavior and now that we've got a huge increase of people moving

[4:05:26] Trustee Patrick: moving into the area it's only going to get worse so I'm you know I'm hoping that staff would use

[4:05:32] Trustee Patrick: this as you know that they could have some flexibility and whether it's contracted or what

[4:05:36] Trustee Patrick: they use I'm all in favor of more communications because nobody they're moving into the area and

[4:05:44] Trustee Patrick: they don't even know what islands trust is so there's so we've got a lot of work to do I'm in

[4:05:50] Trustee Patrick: favor thank

[4:05:52] Voice 18: you trustee Patrick now trustee Colburn have you spoken or did you want to speak again

[4:05:57] Voice 18: otherwise okay

[4:05:59] Voice 17: so trustee fast i don't think you've spoken yet i

[4:06:08] Trustee Fast: spoke extremely briefly as

[4:06:10] Trustee Fast: a seconder but i just wanted to um to say that i think um we need more education about what is the

[4:06:18] Trustee Fast: islands trust there's a many people have said about the big catch-up and i'm wondering um if

[4:06:25] Trustee Fast: if we take out the words and I'm offering this I guess as an amendment so I'm going to propose an

[4:06:33] Trustee Fast: amendment that we draw a line through the words as a part-time one-year position and take out

[4:06:46] Trustee Fast: the word position in the first part does this make it so that I guess I've got a question for

[4:06:56] Trustee Fast: or Director Freider, does this make it so that you can,

[4:07:00] Trustee Fast: and if you remove the word position

[4:07:04] Trustee Fast: after bylaw communication specialist position,

[4:07:07] Trustee Fast: does this make it so that you could hire a contractor

[4:07:11] Trustee Fast: or make this into the work of a part of a team

[4:07:15] Trustee Fast: that you've got?

[4:07:18] Trustee Fast: That's my question for the director.

[4:07:23] Voice 18: You know, the trouble with this, of course,

[4:07:25] Voice 18: on the notion of a change of a motion

[4:07:28] Voice 18: that changes the intent.

[4:07:29] Voice 18: The intent of the original motion

[4:07:30] Voice 18: is to hire a person for this job.

[4:07:33] Voice 18: The amendment

[4:07:34] Voice 18: here now is to change that

[4:07:37] Voice 18: to hire a contractor.

[4:07:40] Voice 18: Is that considered a position within the Amnesty Trust

[4:07:44] Voice 18: or is that considered an external contract?

[4:07:46] Voice 18: I'm not sure on that.

[4:07:48] Voice 18: We'd like to seek advice from our procurement officer,

[4:07:51] Voice 18: I guess.

[4:07:58] Voice 3: Chair, are you looking for advice from me

[4:08:00] Voice 3: or from Director Mobs at this stage?

[4:08:02] Voice 3: i

[4:08:02] Voice 18: thought director mobs might be the one that could help us out uh

[4:08:05] Voice 24: so i'm gonna get you to

[4:08:07] Voice 24: rephrase your question there to look i didn't quite understand what you were asking

[4:08:11] Voice 24: so

[4:08:11] Voice 18: i'm just seeing an amendment uh for the motion which is striking out the word position

[4:08:17] Voice 18: and a part-time one-year position from it and that sort of moves it from being an employee

[4:08:24] Voice 18: position to that of a contractor um i'm presuming offers that option so does that change the uh my

[4:08:31] Voice 18: My question is whether that changes the intent

[4:08:34] Voice 18: or whether it's named position or not,

[4:08:38] Voice 18: does it continue to give you the choice

[4:08:41] Voice 18: of hiring an employee or a contractor?

[4:08:46] Voice 24: Yeah, I don't think that the revision restricts us

[4:08:51] Voice 24: from either option.

[4:08:54] Voice 24: The pre-amended version speaks more to staff.

[4:08:59] Voice 24: I don't think removing these means

[4:09:01] Voice 24: that we can't um use a staff member over an employee um that being said i think director

[4:09:07] Voice 24: freighter has some information that might be helpful for this conversation all right thank

[4:09:12] Voice 18: you then um so if it's all right the council will hear from uh director of trust area services

[4:09:18] Voice 3: uh thank you chair so um in my view this if we're going to do a one-time sort of surge in resources

[4:09:24] Voice 3: now is a good time with your website being launched and now we have all new language to flow

[4:09:28] Voice 3: into publications and pivot off all of that work. I do see it as sort of a catch-up opportunity.

[4:09:35] Voice 3: Most of our publications, when we were doing the website, we're finding are about 10 years old.

[4:09:38] Voice 3: We haven't really done that work in a long time. Also, we have a change in personnel coming in

[4:09:45] Voice 3: April where Vicky Swan, who's our permanent communication specialist, will be coming back,

[4:09:49] Voice 3: and Erin Coulson, who currently is in their role as a temporary assignment, she will be ending her

[4:09:54] Voice 3: role with trust area services but continuing to work part-time for the Conservancy and I've been

[4:09:59] Voice 3: advised by the public service agency that if we wished we could simply roll her into the new role

[4:10:05] Voice 3: so there's opportunities there that said she may also be interested in a contract or we may wish

[4:10:10] Voice 3: to look elsewhere for opportunities but certainly there's some synergies available right at this

[4:10:15] Voice 3: point in time for the trust to pivot off some existing strengths and use this rule.

[4:10:20] Voice 3: All

[4:10:21] Voice 18: right. Thank you. So then the amendment then that has been moved, do I have a seconder for it?

[4:10:28] Voice 18: Trustee Wolverton is seconding the motion. Thank you for your patience on wanting to clarify that.

[4:10:36] Voice 18: Is there any discussion on the amendment? And Trustee Beshekin,

[4:10:41] Voice 18: are you wishing to speak to the amendment of your motion?

[4:10:46] Trustee Busheikin: no i'm i like where this is going i just want to be sure that the um the like that we're clear

[4:10:55] Trustee Busheikin: what we're voting on because if we lose part-time one year i want to capture um what director

[4:11:02] Trustee Busheikin: freighter just said about she called it a surge and i'm wondering if we could include something

[4:11:07] Trustee Busheikin: like on a one-time basis or on a limited basis i don't know the language is the end of the second

[4:11:13] Trustee Busheikin: day but it is my intention and I do take trustee Brent's comment to heart that

[4:11:19] Trustee Busheikin: this is a search this is like a playing catch-up and getting things in order

[4:11:24] Trustee Busheikin: I'm not gonna so I don't know how that's the one thing that I'm worried about

[4:11:28] Trustee Busheikin: that's still missing and I'd like us to take the time we need to make sure we

[4:11:31] Trustee Busheikin: get some wording like that and maybe director freighter can suggest a few

[4:11:34] Trustee Busheikin: words and thanks for inviting me to thank

[4:11:38] Voice 18: you trustee for second I'm gonna

[4:11:40] Voice 18: to go to director mobs if you don't mind um i i don't know that there's any is there any concern

[4:11:45] Voice 18: about this is very specific the amount of specific it's included in this budget i don't think there's

[4:11:51] Voice 18: any implication that this would be reoccurring director mobs do you thought uh

[4:11:58] Voice 24: so it's certainly

[4:11:58] Voice 24: helpful for clarity um and for the public information in the minutes if the motion reflects

[4:12:06] Voice 24: the true intent so if the intent is that this position be temporary it is helpful to have that

[4:12:12] Voice 24: wording included all right so it

[4:12:16] Voice 18: sounds like adding the word temporary would be the right

[4:12:19] Voice 18: thing to do and I like that

[4:12:21] Voice 24: as well if it's intended to be part-time I see that part-time

[4:12:25] Voice 24: is striked out so I would say you know approve a temporary part-time position in the 2021-2022

[4:12:35] Voice 24: to budget um

[4:12:36] Trustee Busheikin: if i may i would um i don't need part-time because if it's a contractor or it

[4:12:43] Trustee Busheikin: might be someone who comes in full-time and does it for four months or however long that works out

[4:12:47] Trustee Busheikin: for a contractor that does it like i think that could stay open because there's a set budget

[4:12:53] Trustee Busheikin: amount so that's not going to be a full-time job unless it's for a very limited amount of time

[4:12:58] Trustee Busheikin: Mr. Chair um

[4:12:59] Trustee Fast: as the mover of the amendment um I would be happy to add the word temporary

[4:13:07] Trustee Fast: to my amendment yeah I'm trying to

[4:13:10] Voice 18: keep it simple I would appreciate adding the word

[4:13:13] Voice 18: temporary to your amendment yeah

[4:13:16] Trustee Fast: so if we could say um as a um that we've see the strikeouts okay

[4:13:25] Trustee Fast: Okay, and that the word temporary be added before the word community.

[4:13:53] Voice 17: So this

[4:14:01] Voice 18: motion is not terribly readable or clear for the public, I think.

[4:14:13] Trustee Busheikin: May I suggest something?

[4:14:18] Trustee Busheikin: Because, yeah, I feel like it's lost the thread, but the discussion's good.

[4:14:23] Trustee Busheikin: If we could take a two-minute break, I would sort of try and start from the beginning

[4:14:27] Trustee Busheikin: and reword this in a way that makes sense

[4:14:31] Trustee Busheikin: and put it in the chat.

[4:14:33] Voice 18: The trouble is, is we have a motion on the table.

[4:14:36] Voice 18: We have an amendment that has been moved and seconded.

[4:14:42] Voice 18: And so I think we have to stick to the Robert's rules here

[4:14:47] Voice 18: to some extent, and I'm stretching it to try and make it

[4:14:52] Voice 18: less cumbersome in terms of even the friendly amendments

[4:14:57] Voice 18: at this point.

[4:14:59] Voice 18: So I'm going to ask the mover of the amendment to reflect on the wording that's there.

[4:15:06] Voice 18: And are you satisfied with that?

[4:15:10] Trustee Fast: Now it will read, move that the bylaw communication specialist be renamed temporary community communication specialist in the amount of 34.

[4:15:26] Trustee Fast: to be funded in the amount of $34,260 and be reinstated in the 2021-22 budget

[4:15:38] Trustee Fast: to be funded from surplus. We could move the surplus part if you want.

[4:15:44] Voice 16: I think we can.

[4:15:52] Voice 18: I'm sorry for having asked the wrong question.

[4:15:55] Voice 18: I think rewriting the motion at the top, what we're after is that an amendment to a motion.

[4:16:03] Voice 18: We've got a motion and you want to amend it.

[4:16:05] Voice 18: And so in that amendment, you need to specify what it is that you're amending.

[4:16:12] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[4:16:16] Trustee Fast: Okay, I'd like to add to my amendment,

[4:16:19] Trustee Fast: the words to be funded after the word,

[4:16:26] Trustee Fast: second word says specialist.

[4:16:31] Trustee Fast: I think that catches it all.

[4:16:32] Trustee Fast: I just wanted to read it for people who might be watching

[4:16:38] Trustee Fast: and I'm trying to help, suggestions welcome.

[4:16:44] Voice 18: Okay, this is much better from my reading.

[4:16:48] Voice 18: And so then I'm gonna take it that the seconder

[4:16:51] Voice 18: satisfied with the friendly amendment by the mover and now i would like to ask for the vote on the

[4:16:59] Voice 18: amendment to the motion which is on the bottom half of your screen all

[4:17:09] Trustee Fast: those in favor all those

[4:17:11] Voice 18: in favor thank you and lloyd do you think it's remotely possible you could put that into one

[4:17:22] Voice 27: Okay,

[4:17:28] Voice 18: so I've got 14, 15 in favor on my 16 in favor on digital is their hands in favor

[4:17:40] Voice 18: on the screen, one in favor on the screen that makes 17.

[4:17:44] Voice 18: And so please lower your hands.

[4:17:51] Voice 18: And this is on the amendment, lowering your hands.

[4:17:55] Voice 18: and now raise your hands if you're opposed to the amendment one two three four

[4:18:05] Voice 18: four opposed so the amendment to the motion carries and so now

[4:18:10] Voice 18: lori is bravely getting the

[4:18:13] Voice 18: amended motion on the screen at the top of your screen okay so that looks to me like it

[4:18:28] Voice 18: captured that was a temporary it looks like we've captured that so that is now the amended motion

[4:18:35] Voice 18: is there any further discussion on the amended motion i'm seeing a couple of hands up for

[4:18:41] Voice 18: discussion on the amended motion trustee allen yeah

[4:18:47] Trustee Allen: well i have an issue with the the intent of

[4:18:50] Trustee Allen: what the staff wanted regarding this position as a bylaw communication specialist versus

[4:18:55] Trustee Allen: is what Trustee Boucher can change and it's you know made it outreach and what's Adam's trust

[4:19:01] Trustee Allen: about and it's it just seemed a lot larger than what bylaw communications is so I just wanted to

[4:19:10] Trustee Allen: know whether this is capturing what the staff wanted because it's I think it's really changing

[4:19:16] Trustee Allen: and I just want to also add again that on Hormie Island when we had voluntary compliance and

[4:19:24] Trustee Allen: education on vacation rentals for two years it did not work and now we're doing proactive okay

[4:19:34] Voice 16: we're completely in support of this at this stage of the game mr chairman whatever

[4:19:39] Trustee Allen: yeah whatever

[4:19:40] Voice 16: what i'm hearing from the cda

[4:19:41] Voice 18: staff are in support of this

[4:19:43] Trustee Allen: yeah okay that's what i

[4:19:44] Voice 18: want to do thank you thank

[4:19:45] Voice 29: you for that clarity trustee

[4:19:48] Voice 18: longer rice before yeah

[4:19:50] Voice 29: yeah i'm i'm

[4:19:51] Voice 29: opposed to this for one of the reasons that trustee rogers said about it coming out of surplus

[4:19:56] Voice 29: the other thing is it's not really term certain the previous motion had for one year period now

[4:20:02] Voice 29: it just says temporary but what does temporary mean and it's for this year it doesn't say

[4:20:08] Voice 29: temporary funding it just says it's a temporary position or contractor so to me it's a bit vague

[4:20:16] Voice 29: I'm if it said term certain would be more specific.

[4:20:22] Voice 18: Okay, thank you, Trustee Langerheis, duly noted.

[4:20:27] Voice 18: I want to call the vote.

[4:20:30] Voice 18: Trustee Beshaken, I'd just like to call the vote.

[4:20:34] Voice 18: Do you want to speak to it again?

[4:20:37] Trustee Busheikin: Well, I just want to say it'd be a shame if this fails

[4:20:39] Trustee Busheikin: because the wording wasn't right.

[4:20:42] Trustee Busheikin: And I think it's clear to everyone that the intention

[4:20:45] Trustee Busheikin: that this is a one-off thing,

[4:20:46] Trustee Busheikin: it's been said by staff it's been said by trustees and um we've done our best to get the wording in

[4:20:54] Trustee Busheikin: order so um uh yeah i'll just leave it at that thank you yeah

[4:21:01] Voice 18: and you know uh it's interesting

[4:21:04] Voice 18: when you start reading uh robert's rules of order and the process of amending motions you have to

[4:21:10] Voice 18: be careful about how many times you amend a motion just so you know um so i'm going to call the vote

[4:21:17] Voice 18: that's all right all those in favor of the motion that's at the top of your screen the amended

[4:21:22] Voice 18: motion all right so i have 12 in favor and on the screen do i have hands one hand up on the screen

[4:21:38] Voice 18: that's 13 in favor and so i'm going to ask for those opposed

[4:21:42] Voice 18: Opposed? Sorry, lower your

[4:21:46] Voice 18: hands and then raise your hands. Let's make sure.

[4:21:50] Voice 17: Thank you. Well,

[4:22:00] Voice 18: the numbers, well, I guess the numbers do add up. So 17 in favor, five opposed. So that indeed

[4:22:07] Voice 18: carries. Well done, everybody. Thank you for your patience. Any further amendments or removals from

[4:22:16] Voice 18: from the budget.

[4:22:19] Voice 18: I see two more hands up.

[4:22:23] Voice 18: Trustee Maude.

[4:22:26] Voice 18: Oh, so Trustee Maude, are you speaking to us?

[4:22:34] Voice 28: No, I think I'm suffering again from hand syndrome.

[4:22:37] Voice 28: So I'm good, thank you.

[4:22:40] Voice 18: All right, thank you.

[4:22:41] Voice 18: So then amendments or removals from the budget.

[4:22:45] Voice 18: I see Trustee Rogers and Johnston have their hands up.

[4:22:48] Voice 18: up. Trustee Rogers and Johnston, hands up. Who wants to speak?

[4:22:59] Trustee Rogers: I'll defer to Peter.

[4:23:01] Voice 15: Okay. Peter

[4:23:02] Voice 15: Johnston. I was just going to defer to Trustee Rogers, but I will go

[4:23:08] Voice 15: ahead. I first want to

[4:23:10] Voice 15: check my facts. My understanding from the agenda package is that we had a bylaw officer position

[4:23:18] Voice 15: funded this entire previous year that was not filled is that correct no it is

[4:23:27] Voice 15: not correct is there any truth to that we

[4:23:32] Voice 16: had a commitment I don't think it was

[4:23:35] Voice 16: fully funded no we had a commitment that you would fund it in this coming year

[4:23:40] Voice 16: because are we

[4:23:45] Voice 15: not adding a fourth bylaw officer in this budget as proposed no

[4:23:51] Voice 16: No, you're confirming

[4:23:52] Voice 16: the one that we've discussed for the last six months.

[4:23:59] Voice 16: So that's three bylaw enforcement officers?

[4:24:02] Voice 16: Oh, we would have a fourth, but it's not another one beyond that.

[4:24:08] Voice 16: We will have four bylaw enforcement officers.

[4:24:13] Voice 15: Okay.

[4:24:14] Voice 15: And for part of the time, at least last year, we had only two working.

[4:24:21] Voice 15: True.

[4:24:23] Voice 15: But for some of the year, we had more than two.

[4:24:28] Voice 16: that's also true.

[4:24:30] Voice 15: Okay I guess I just want to speak that I think we need to do more than hire

[4:24:37] Voice 15: more bylaw officers. Bylaw officers in my somewhat limited experience are not very effective and

[4:24:44] Voice 15: don't work well at least in my community. That as they're outside and especially they're hampered

[4:24:52] Voice 15: because they can't come and visit and talk to people they they work by telephone as I understand

[4:24:57] Voice 15: it. We have so many longstanding cases that just don't go anywhere. They stay on the books. It

[4:25:06] Voice 15: looks like our bylaw officers are overloaded compared with other places, and I have no

[4:25:13] Voice 15: experience with bylaw enforcement in the places we've been comparing with, but it seems like

[4:25:21] Voice 15: they're overloaded with cases, but they're cases that aren't actually being actively worked on.

[4:25:25] Voice 15: I don't think it's an effective and I would like to oppose the addition of a further bylaw officer

[4:25:32] Voice 15: but that's that's all so

[4:25:37] Voice 18: this so you're proposing to add a completely new item to the agenda of the

[4:25:43] Voice 18: budget at this time no I'm proposing

[4:25:46] Voice 15: taking one away well I mean I get it's a new motion it would

[4:25:52] Voice 15: be a new motion to to have no more than three bylaw enforcement compliance and enforcement officers

[4:26:00] Voice 15: next year positions next year all right um

[4:26:05] Voice 18: ceo hudson pillar well

[4:26:09] Voice 16: i don't want to get in the

[4:26:09] Voice 16: middle of something

[4:26:10] Voice 18: or whatever well

[4:26:12] Voice 18: i'm not really hearing a well-articulated motion at the

[4:26:15] Voice 18: moment um

[4:26:16] Voice 16: but i would like to speak to this matter if if it so before

[4:26:22] Voice 16: you make a motion

[4:26:24] Trustee McConchie: order please chair luckham yes

[4:26:26] Voice 17: please yeah

[4:26:27] Trustee McConchie: i'm just um i was you know previous trust councils i

[4:26:31] Trustee McConchie: learned from trying to draft motions that were well articulated i passed them through staff

[4:26:36] Trustee McConchie: i ensured that they were awarded before i brought them to trust council i'm wondering if there's an

[4:26:41] Trustee McConchie: opportunity for some trustees uh to get that information that i was given uh it may help for

[4:26:47] Trustee McConchie: make a smoother meeting perhaps well

[4:26:50] Voice 18: you're absolutely right about that uh trustee mcconkie

[4:26:53] Voice 18: um however at this very moment we're in the 11th hour of the budget and that's why i asked whether

[4:26:59] Voice 18: or not trustee johnson is proposing a totally a new item because this would be difficult to

[4:27:07] Voice 18: make allow council to have an informed decision um and so uh yeah trustee uh johnson um uh

[4:27:19] Voice 18: I guess my question a moment ago was,

[4:27:22] Voice 18: is there more clarity necessary on our current status

[4:27:30] Voice 18: with respect to bylaw enforcement

[4:27:31] Voice 18: that you'd like the CEO to know?

[4:27:34] Voice 18: What am I asking for?

[4:27:35] Voice 18: I'm not sure.

[4:27:36] Voice 18: I'm not sure either.

[4:27:40] Voice 16: Staff, at some point,

[4:27:42] Voice 16: staff would like to speak

[4:27:42] Voice 16: if this becomes a discussion item around the budget.

[4:27:45] Voice 16: Oh, I see, okay.

[4:27:47] Voice 18: So, Trustee Johnson,

[4:27:48] Voice 18: Mr. Johnson, what exactly is your motion, and you have not spoken with staff about this at this juncture?

[4:27:55] Voice 18: I have not.

[4:28:00] Voice 18: So therefore, without depriving your right to bring advance on a motion to the table, how do you propose advancing this in order to provide the information necessary for an informed decision of the Council?

[4:28:12] Voice 18: Well, my

[4:28:14] Voice 15: proposal, I think, is very simple, that we limit the number of bylaw compliance and enforcement officers for the next fiscal year to a maximum of three, including the manager.

[4:28:30] Voice 15: And if I'm all on my own, I'm happy just to have said that much.

[4:28:34] Voice 15: Okay.

[4:28:35] Voice 15: But, you know, that's how we find out is we have a little bit of a discussion.

[4:28:41] Voice 15: And this, of course, is one of the major problems of Robert's Rules and Order.

[4:28:45] Voice 15: I propose a solution, and then we talk about what the problem is.

[4:28:49] Voice 15: It's backwards.

[4:28:50] Voice 15: We just experienced that with the previous motion.

[4:28:53] Voice 15: This seems to be a meeting in which a lot of motions are coming unsupported by staff, unmonitored, unclarified.

[4:29:05] Voice 18: Did Julia have something to offer us here on this?

[4:29:10] Voice 24: Yeah, just for clarity.

[4:29:11] Voice 24: I just wanted to offer that currently we have two bylaw enforcement officers plus our bylaw

[4:29:17] Voice 24: enforcement manager who does do some enforcement work and so next year's draft budget is adding

[4:29:23] Voice 24: one new bylaw enforcement officer and so if council does not agree with that then certainly

[4:29:31] Voice 24: a motion could be made to remove the addition of a bylaw enforcement officer from the budget and

[4:29:36] Voice 24: and that would be a simple enough motion

[4:29:38] Voice 24: that we could work with.

[4:29:41] Voice 24: I do believe that trust council did support the addition

[4:29:44] Voice 24: of a bylaw enforcement officer at their previous meeting.

[4:29:47] Voice 24: I think there was a motion passed to that effect.

[4:29:50] Voice 24: I would need to lean into some other staff

[4:29:52] Voice 24: who are maybe in our resolutions log to check that,

[4:29:55] Voice 24: but that's why it's included in the budget.

[4:29:58] Voice 24: Up for discussion.

[4:30:00] Voice 18: Great. So thank you for that advice, Director Mobs. Appreciate that. So indeed, this has been

[4:30:06] Voice 18: the direction of council up to this point, and to change that course would require an obvious

[4:30:12] Voice 18: change in direction. And so I'm not sure about how much support there would be. I saw some hands up

[4:30:17] Voice 18: here. I'm just really cognizant that 10 minutes after four, with one piece of business remaining

[4:30:27] Voice 18: for sure that i want to conclude before we retire for the evening here um i see trustee more i'm

[4:30:41] Voice 18: going to recognize trustee morrison i scared some of you off thank you and then

[4:30:45] Voice 18: uh i'll turn it back

[4:30:46] Voice 18: to the floor if trustee johnson wants to make a motion but i think you need to be clear about the

[4:30:51] Voice 18: motion because we may end up debating it for 20 minutes and not be any further ahead of the day

[4:30:56] Voice 18: that's just me being honest all

[4:30:58] Trustee Morrison: right and we're good

[4:31:00] Voice 18: trustee morrison so

[4:31:02] Trustee Morrison: a couple quick things

[4:31:03] Trustee Morrison: one on um trustee johnson's um and and maybe not just specific to trustee johnson's but generally

[4:31:10] Trustee Morrison: um we have had a number of motions across the fall related to the budget that gave direction

[4:31:15] Trustee Morrison: to staff and i i this was one of them julia um moms is correct in that um and so i i am

[4:31:24] Trustee Morrison: for keeping the um by the officer in i i am challenged by us as a council in process of like

[4:31:32] Trustee Morrison: how we're making decisions and then changing decisions later and i'm sure that it challenges

[4:31:36] Trustee Morrison: the staff radically so i don't know what our policy is around that if we've made a decision

[4:31:43] Trustee Morrison: are we like moving on that decision so we're consistent so i think that's a general question

[4:31:47] Trustee Morrison: i have to counsel um maybe not to be answered maybe it's rhetorical but i think we need to

[4:31:53] Trustee Morrison: think about that if we've made a decision can we move forward on that decision even if it's not

[4:31:57] Trustee Morrison: and trust me I have had decisions that I am not happy about but they are decisions of council

[4:32:02] Trustee Morrison: and I'm like move forward on it so um and then the second thing is I see that there is one other

[4:32:11] Trustee Morrison: thing that was removed um by financial planning committee around broadcasting meetings and I

[4:32:17] Trustee Morrison: needed some guidance from staff if that had to be added back in or not or like what was that and is

[4:32:23] Trustee Morrison: Is that problematic that it's not added back in yet?

[4:32:27] Trustee Morrison: Maybe the moms could help us with that one.

[4:32:29] Trustee Morrison: So I don't know where you want to go on that, Peter.

[4:32:32] Voice 18: All right.

[4:32:32] Voice 18: Thank you.

[4:32:33] Voice 18: So then that's, so there's two more items of business that we may need to conduct here.

[4:32:37] Voice 18: I just want to respect Trustee Johnson's request here out of necessity, I suppose.

[4:32:43] Voice 18: Trustee Johnson, do you want to advance anything at this time or

[4:32:49] Voice 18: potentially bring it back for a future budget?

[4:32:51] Voice 18: I

[4:32:55] Voice 15: would like to make that motion and I would be entirely satisfied if it was defeated and immediately.

[4:33:01] Voice 15: But I would like to make the motion that the bylaw and compliance and enforcement be limited to three officers, including the manager for next year.

[4:33:13] Voice 18: All right, so that's moved. So, do I have a seconder for this motion.

[4:33:18] Voice 18: motion. I see two hands

[4:33:23] Voice 18: up. So I'm looking

[4:33:25] Voice 18: for a seconder for the motion. I see two hands

[4:33:29] Voice 18: up and I see Trustee Boushekin, you're seconding the motion. So take your hand down. I'm looking

[4:33:37] Voice 18: for a seconder for Trustee Johnson's motion. Trustee Longerice, you're seconding the motion.

[4:33:45] Voice 18: Thank you. So Trustee Johnson, do you wish to speak to the motion any further?

[4:33:50] Voice 15: No, I've spoken enough. Thank you.

[4:33:52] Voice 15: Thank you.

[4:33:52] Voice 15: Thank you.

[4:33:53] Voice 15: Trustee Longer, do you wish to speak to the motion?

[4:33:57] Voice 29: No, I'm fine.

[4:33:58] Voice 18: Thanks.

[4:33:59] Voice 18: Okay.

[4:34:00] Voice 18: So speakers on the motion, Trustee Rockefeller, Trustee Maude.

[4:34:06] Voice 20: Thank you.

[4:34:07] Voice 20: So I just wanted to speak on, I'm speaking against this motion because trustees have

[4:34:14] Voice 20: asked for more bylaw enforcement.

[4:34:16] Voice 20: We have proactive enforcement on many of these islands.

[4:34:19] Voice 20: And how do we expect to do that with less bylaw enforcement staff?

[4:34:22] Voice 20: And while some islands may suffer from very little by law enforcement requirements, many of us require more and more enforcement every year to manage the huge workload we expect staff to do.

[4:34:35] Voice 20: So I would just ask trustees keep in mind we are asking of staff to do a certain job, we need to give them the appropriate people to do that.

[4:34:46] Voice 20: so thank you against the motion thank

[4:34:50] Voice 18: you very much trustee trustee

[4:34:52] Voice 28: um yes i just wanted to

[4:34:54] Voice 28: point out um sort of the previous discussion is sort of this last minute type work um we were

[4:34:59] Voice 28: just presented with these survey results which i think is might be um what trustee johnson is

[4:35:06] Voice 28: forwarding is basically three to one the public survey said that either they wanted the funding

[4:35:11] Voice 28: funding for bylaw compliance enforcement

[4:35:13] Voice 28: decreased or to stay the same.

[4:35:15] Voice 28: So I think, you know, it is incumbent on us

[4:35:18] Voice 28: to be somewhat respectful.

[4:35:19] Voice 28: We conducted a survey and the people have spoken

[4:35:23] Voice 28: in one direction there that I think that we do need

[4:35:26] Voice 28: to reconsider at this point in time.

[4:35:28] Voice 28: So I don't think this timing is inappropriate.

[4:35:32] Voice 28: You don't

[4:35:33] Voice 18: think what Trustee Maury missed that?

[4:35:35] Voice 28: I don't think that it is an inappropriate timing

[4:35:38] Voice 28: to be considering this.

[4:35:41] Voice 18: To be reducing bylaw enforcement.

[4:35:46] Voice 18: Okay, thank you, sir.

[4:35:49] Voice 15: It's not increasing by-law enforcement.

[4:35:51] Voice 15: We're not reducing it.

[4:35:56] Trustee Allen: I just want to follow up with what Trustee Rockefeller said.

[4:35:59] Trustee Allen: I come from an island that I think we're really very similar,

[4:36:02] Trustee Allen: Hormie and Callie, I know, with the glut of visitors,

[4:36:06] Trustee Allen: et cetera, et cetera, and our popularity and love to death.

[4:36:08] Trustee Allen: And we do need major by-law enforcement,

[4:36:13] Trustee Allen: and it's not happening.

[4:36:14] Trustee Allen: We don't have enough staff to deal with it.

[4:36:15] Trustee Allen: And yes, there are islands that don't need as much,

[4:36:19] Trustee Allen: but I will say in response to Trustee Maud's views

[4:36:23] Trustee Allen: of the survey responses, that if you look carefully

[4:36:25] Trustee Allen: at those people that are all against the bylaw enforcement,

[4:36:27] Trustee Allen: it was all about housing, illegal housing,

[4:36:30] Trustee Allen: kicking people out of housing.

[4:36:31] Trustee Allen: It wasn't about, I didn't get it,

[4:36:34] Trustee Allen: that it was about vacation rentals or, you know,

[4:36:36] Trustee Allen: larger things that we have no control over.

[4:36:40] Trustee Allen: And so I'm voting against.

[4:36:43] Trustee Allen: Thank you, Trustee Allen.

[4:36:44] Voice 18: Trustee Brent, and then I,

[4:36:45] Voice 18: Is it Rockefeller a second time?

[4:36:48] Voice 8: Trustee Brent?

[4:36:50] Voice 8: Okay, I'm not in favor of a heck of a lot of bylaw enforcement because of where I live.

[4:36:58] Voice 8: But the bottom line is we are asking on many of the islands for more bylaw enforcement.

[4:37:03] Voice 8: And in this particular case, I don't want to see staff constrained as they've been constrained in the past.

[4:37:11] Voice 8: It's just absolutely unfair to staff.

[4:37:13] Voice 8: So I am definitely gonna vote against this motion.

[4:37:17] Voice 8: Okay,

[4:37:18] Voice 18: thank you, Trustee Bent.

[4:37:19] Voice 18: Trustee Rockefeller, a second time,

[4:37:20] Voice 18: and I'm gonna call the vote.

[4:37:21] Voice 20: I hate to speak twice, but I just wanted to point out,

[4:37:23] Voice 20: I did read almost the entire survey results

[4:37:26] Voice 20: and they mostly spoke against policing

[4:37:30] Voice 20: in like the cop form, not in the bylaw sense.

[4:37:33] Voice 20: Thank you.

[4:37:34] Voice 18: Okay, thank you, Trustee Rockefeller.

[4:37:36] Voice 18: So if it's all right, council, I would like to call the vote.

[4:37:40] Voice 18: All those in favor of the motion on the screen.

[4:37:45] Voice 18: and trustee this

[4:37:48] Voice 15: is in favor

[4:37:50] Voice 18: of the motion on the screen thank you and uh hands up on the screen

[4:37:59] Voice 18: there having electronic ability so that's three in favor so now please lower your hands all those

[4:38:06] Voice 18: opposed to the motion on the screen so that's 18 opposed three in favor that fails and so thank you

[4:38:18] Voice 18: very much um i'm going to uh preempt uh the conversation here and just say uh trustee morrison

[4:38:26] Voice 18: did you have a motion for us yeah

[4:38:29] Trustee Morrison: i actually need a little bit of guidance from staff um was what i

[4:38:33] Trustee Morrison: was looking for first before the motion because i just needed to understand exactly what that um

[4:38:41] Trustee Morrison: item was it was around broadcasting um and maybe

[4:38:45] Trustee Morrison: director mobs if you can help us exactly because

[4:38:47] Trustee Morrison: there was no amount that I saw in the removal language.

[4:38:53] Voice 24: Certainly so the direction from FPC

[4:38:56] Voice 24: was not to remove that item but simply to change how it's funded so instead of funding that work

[4:39:01] Voice 24: from surplus it's now being funded under operations as part of taxation so it's still in the budget.

[4:39:06] Voice 24: Thank you.

[4:39:07] Voice 18: So then that's satisfactory so then I'll ask is there any other inclusions or exclusions

[4:39:14] Voice 18: from the budget as proposed i see a bunch

[4:39:18] Voice 18: of hands up here so i'm just uh this is for additional

[4:39:24] Voice 18: inclusions or exclusions so trustee grove

[4:39:28] Voice 18: is

[4:39:31] Trustee Grove: my hand up it wasn't meant to be but having said that

[4:39:34] Trustee Grove: now that i got your attention you mentioned that we might be uh passing some of this on to tomorrow

[4:39:40] Trustee Grove: we have to have a finalized budget tonight because then julia spends all night um finishing the

[4:39:46] Trustee Grove: documents so that we can improve them tomorrow so we cannot end this until we're happy with the

[4:39:52] Trustee Grove: budget you

[4:39:53] Voice 18: are absolutely right and we have one remaining item with respect to the that i consider

[4:39:58] Voice 18: to be a necessary part of the amendments or not amendments for the budget but the inclusion of

[4:40:03] Voice 18: the governance review and the strategic plan that i want to be certain that we've got this all

[4:40:07] Voice 18: concluded tonight and uh and so i'm looking for any further additions or removals from the budget

[4:40:15] Voice 18: and i got trustee

[4:40:16] Voice 18: shaken trust

[4:40:18] Voice 15: trustee rogers deferred to me and he was next in line for uh

[4:40:23] Voice 15: speaking uh-huh before i put my motion funny he

[4:40:28] Voice 15: must have lowered his hand at some point

[4:40:30] Voice 18: because i asked him so

[4:40:32] Trustee Rogers: well yeah of course

[4:40:33] Trustee Rogers: trustee

[4:40:34] Voice 18: yeah exactly you should

[4:40:36] Trustee Rogers: let me go first

[4:40:36] Voice 18: because

[4:40:37] Trustee Rogers: every time trustee was shaken puts a motion on it takes 20 minutes

[4:40:44] Trustee Rogers: sorry laura that's it's good okay

[4:40:46] Voice 18: let's let's be nice at the end of the day

[4:40:48] Trustee Rogers: i'm i'm gonna focus on

[4:40:50] Trustee Rogers: one thing and that's a recommendation from the financial planning committee that i moved that

[4:40:55] Trustee Rogers: uh that that trust council indicate that the september trust council meeting be held

[4:41:02] Trustee Rogers: electronically and the budget be adjusted accordingly um i i'm making that motion that

[4:41:10] Trustee Rogers: was a recommendation from FPC and we've sort of treated it as a fait accompli but but we the

[4:41:15] Trustee Rogers: standing motion is that we do it in person so I think we need to change that so that's my motion

[4:41:20] Trustee Rogers: I'll

[4:41:21] Voice 8: second that Paul okay

[4:41:28] Voice 18: so I'm a little confused now I thought Julia is this already in

[4:41:32] Voice 18: the excluded from the budget that reduction uh

[4:41:37] Voice 24: so the budget that we've reviewed accounts for

[4:41:40] Voice 24: one meeting in person I believe trustee Rogers would like to have two meetings funded in person

[4:41:45] Voice 24: No,

[4:41:46] Trustee Rogers: but the resolution from Trust Council is that we have two meetings in person and two meetings electronically.

[4:41:56] Trustee Rogers: I'm simply making a motion that Trust Council confirm that we're going to have the September meeting electronically.

[4:42:07] Trustee Rogers: It's a decision of Trust Council, it's not a decision of FPC.

[4:42:10] Trustee Rogers: see okay understood

[4:42:12] Voice 16: so i'm going to go to the cao i'm enjoying the opportunity to confuse us all

[4:42:17] Voice 16: here as we just finish off for the day um so indeed i think trustee rogers is tidying up

[4:42:24] Voice 16: previous business however september minus three months there could be a lifting of the provincial

[4:42:33] Voice 16: state of emergency so in our back pockets in our mind there might be a requirement to have a

[4:42:39] Voice 16: September meeting and I've discussed this with Julia it would probably just be better to then

[4:42:45] Voice 16: amend the budget on the fly and try and find those spaces and rather than plan for that

[4:42:53] Voice 16: eventuality right now so I think it would be that Trustee Rogers motions would tidy the matter up

[4:43:02] Voice 16: for now in the budget but just stay tuned I think is what we have to be aware of so can

[4:43:07] Voice 18: I thank you

[4:43:08] Voice 18: Can I confuse this even further?

[4:43:09] Voice 18: No.

[4:43:10] Voice 18: It's a privilege of the chair.

[4:43:12] Voice 18: So if we have two meetings, in-person meetings,

[4:43:15] Voice 18: budgeted for in this 2020-2021 budget,

[4:43:18] Voice 18: is that not December and March?

[4:43:21] Voice 16: No.

[4:43:22] Voice 16: Okay.

[4:43:23] Voice 16: So right now, my understanding, if this motion passes,

[4:43:28] Voice 16: is that there's a November-December live meeting that's funded.

[4:43:35] Voice 16: Okay.

[4:43:35] Voice 16: Period.

[4:43:36] Voice 16: Okay.

[4:43:38] Voice 18: then that's fine so trustee uh rogers your motion up on the screen there is what that what you

[4:43:44] Voice 18: intend it

[4:43:45] Trustee Rogers: is it's just yes it is all right thank you it's confusing because our budget year goes

[4:43:52] Trustee Rogers: through the march trust council but our decision with about how we do our trust councils is made

[4:43:57] Trustee Rogers: and it made uh earlier in the year and we and we go on a calendar year so we currently our decision

[4:44:04] Trustee Rogers: is to have an in-person meeting in September.

[4:44:06] Trustee Rogers: I'd like to just confirm that we're going to have it

[4:44:10] Trustee Rogers: electronically, or at least that's the plan.

[4:44:13] Voice 18: Okay, thank you, Trustee Rogers for that clarity.

[4:44:16] Voice 18: So therefore, thank you, Trustee Brent for seconding it.

[4:44:19] Voice 18: Is everybody clear on what this motion means?

[4:44:23] Voice 18: And is there anybody that wants to speak to it?

[4:44:25] Voice 18: I don't see any hands to speak to it.

[4:44:29] Voice 18: Emphatically, I'm seeing that.

[4:44:30] Voice 18: And so I'm going to call the vote.

[4:44:32] Voice 18: All those in favor?

[4:44:35] Voice 18: And I see Trustee Dodds on the screen.

[4:44:38] Voice 18: Raised hands in favor.

[4:44:39] Voice 18: And I'm counting up here.

[4:44:42] Voice 18: We've got 18 electronic participants in favor.

[4:44:46] Voice 18: Any opposed?

[4:44:48] Voice 18: Or lower your hands.

[4:44:54] Voice 18: Lowering your hands.

[4:44:57] Voice 18: Brenton Beshaken, lowering your hands.

[4:44:59] Voice 18: Any opposed?

[4:45:04] Voice 18: So is it Trustee Beshaken and Stanford, you're opposed to the motion?

[4:45:10] Voice 18: All right.

[4:45:11] Voice 17: So

[4:45:11] Voice 18: then that still carries with the two opposed.

[4:45:15] Voice 18: All right.

[4:45:16] Voice 18: I think that does actually wrap up, if I'm not mistaken.

[4:45:21] Voice 18: So I will just ask, are there further motions to include or exclude from the budget?

[4:45:30] Voice 18: Going back to my list, I see Trustee Morrison's hand up.

[4:45:34] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, and it's a clarification just on that last point.

[4:45:36] Trustee Morrison: So if I could just ask, Director Mobs, so do we have the December and the March accounted for in the budget for in-person meetings?

[4:45:49] Voice 24: So the budget right now is only funding one Trust Council meeting in person.

[4:45:55] Voice 24: Naturally, you would think that would be the final meeting of the fiscal year, which would be March,

[4:46:02] Voice 24: just given of course that we fall back into requirements to hold meetings in person as soon

[4:46:06] Voice 24: as the pandemic emergency order is lifted um so yeah so at this point there's only funding for one

[4:46:11] Voice 24: in-person trust council meeting in the budget okay

[4:46:14] Trustee Morrison: so i we do need to put a motion on the table i

[4:46:18] Trustee Morrison: think to have one additional funding me and our in-person meeting funded but i don't know what

[4:46:24] Trustee Morrison: that sounds like on the fly uh

[4:46:32] Voice 24: so we can help craft that if you're looking for assistance there

[4:46:38] Voice 24: if you want to pull it up on the screen Laurie maybe just say that trust council include

[4:46:42] Voice 24: funding for one additional in-person trust council meeting in

[4:46:46] Voice 14: March so

[4:47:05] Voice 19: that

[4:47:08] Voice 18: was was were

[4:47:11] Voice 18: you moving that Trustee Wolverton I see the motion up on the screen yeah

[4:47:17] Trustee Morrison: I'm just I actually

[4:47:18] Trustee Morrison: had asked Director Moms to help craft the motion so that it meets the needs of what

[4:47:23] Trustee Morrison: she needs for tonight okay

[4:47:25] Voice 6: and

[4:47:29] Voice 24: an amount would be great to include in there it suggests around

[4:47:31] Voice 24: twenty five thousand dollars okay that's

[4:47:35] Voice 14: a good message yeah the

[4:47:39] Voice 24: date is less important

[4:47:40] Voice 24: uh for my purposes but thank

[4:47:44] Trustee Morrison: you um does that look right julia good

[4:47:49] Voice 17: to me so

[4:47:51] Trustee Morrison: i'll move that

[4:47:52] Trustee Morrison: the trust council includes funding for 25 000 for one additional in-person meeting in march 2022.

[4:47:58] Trustee Morrison: I move

[4:47:58] Voice 18: to have a seconder.

[4:48:00] Voice 18: Trustee Boucher can second it.

[4:48:02] Voice 18: Thank you.

[4:48:03] Voice 18: Any discussion on the motion?

[4:48:07] Voice 18: I'm sorry.

[4:48:09] Voice 18: I'm not seeing any hands up.

[4:48:11] Voice 18: I'm going to call the vote.

[4:48:12] Voice 18: All those in favor?

[4:48:13] Voice 18: All those in favor?

[4:48:21] Voice 18: I see eight.

[4:48:23] Voice 18: Hands are jumping up and down, but I'm guessing it's about 18.

[4:48:27] Voice 18: And so please lower your hands.

[4:48:34] Voice 18: Lowering your hands.

[4:48:35] Voice 18: I still see

[4:48:39] Trustee Fenton: a bunch of hands up.

[4:48:43] Trustee Fenton: I think I might have screwed up on the offering down part.

[4:48:46] Trustee Fenton: i'm in agreement with it it's done rogers

[4:48:50] Voice 16: critchley kale and fast are still up so i'm

[4:48:53] Voice 18: for simplicity's sake i'm just going to say please speak out if you're opposed to this motion

[4:49:00] Voice 18: okay none heard and so then that carries thank you very

[4:49:05] Voice 18: much everybody thank you for picking

[4:49:06] Voice 18: that up trustee morrison is there any further nothing further so we um we deferred uh uh to

[4:49:18] Voice 18: 11.2.2.10 the second part of 7.22 the strategic plan uh amendments to include the governance and

[4:49:30] Voice 18: management review uh and i

[4:49:33] Voice 18: believe that that was moved and seconded yes and so if we can get that

[4:49:38] Voice 18: up on the screen lori and i realize that's hours ago might be a challenge to find thank you

[4:49:43] Voice 18: Thank you.

[4:49:46] Voice 18: And so there we have a motion that was deferred.

[4:49:51] Voice 18: And so, Council, do you wish to vote on this motion at this time, or is there any speakers on the motion?

[4:50:01] Voice 18: I see Trustee Brent as a speaker on the motion.

[4:50:06] Voice 8: I just lowered my hand.

[4:50:08] Voice 8: I think we should just get on with the vote.

[4:50:11] Voice 18: Thank you.

[4:50:12] Voice 18: Okay.

[4:50:14] Voice 18: But in fairness,

[4:50:15] Voice 18: is there anybody else who wishes to speak to the motion?

[4:50:18] Voice 18: trustee colbert um

[4:50:27] Trustee Colbourne: hello yeah sorry i will be voting against adding this to the strategic plan

[4:50:31] Trustee Colbourne: i don't think it aligns with the discussions um an approach that we took and um i don't believe

[4:50:39] Trustee Colbourne: that it it was presented as an independent item there was a terms of reference provided with it

[4:50:44] Trustee Colbourne: that um i i see obvious issues with it i wish you best of luck but i cannot support this as part of

[4:50:51] Trustee Colbourne: of our ongoing work.

[4:50:53] Voice 18: Okay, thank you, Trustee Coburn.

[4:50:56] Voice 18: Trustee Fast.

[4:50:58] Trustee Fast: Yeah, thank you.

[4:50:59] Trustee Fast: I'm going to be speaking against this,

[4:51:01] Trustee Fast: I'll be voting against this motion too.

[4:51:03] Trustee Fast: I've had a quick look at the RFP.

[4:51:07] Trustee Fast: Now that I've downloaded it,

[4:51:09] Trustee Fast: I'm a bit concerned about the transparency

[4:51:11] Trustee Fast: of not providing it to council

[4:51:13] Trustee Fast: who are voting on the budget and on this motion

[4:51:17] Trustee Fast: and as well as the process leading up to it

[4:51:20] Trustee Fast: with the select committee um i'm pleased to see that the proponent or who um the proposer whoever

[4:51:27] Trustee Fast: is awarded the contract uh will be communicating with two people one of whom is the cao and the

[4:51:35] Trustee Fast: other is the chair of the committee and um so i'm glad to see the cao uh that staff will be well

[4:51:41] Trustee Fast: well represented there and uh all the best with it but i won't be voting for it thank you all right

[4:51:47] Voice 18: thank you um i just want us to be cautious about re-debating a motion that has been carried by

[4:51:55] Voice 18: council on this topic so this

[4:51:57] Voice 18: is now taking a motion carried by council um and adding it to

[4:52:02] Voice 18: strategic plan so that resources can be applied to it um so trustee patrick over to you

[4:52:08] Trustee Patrick: i'll be

[4:52:09] Trustee Patrick: voting against it because i truly by reading the original motion don't believe this is a trust

[4:52:14] Trustee Patrick: We gave, it was voted to give a predetermined group of people who predetermined the terms of reference permission to go contract something.

[4:52:26] Trustee Patrick: So it's a group that's doing this.

[4:52:28] Trustee Patrick: To me, it's not trust counsel.

[4:52:30] Trustee Patrick: So I can't support this.

[4:52:34] Voice 18: Okay.

[4:52:34] Voice 18: Trustee Patrick, thank you for that.

[4:52:39] Voice 18: Trustee Brent and Middleton.

[4:52:42] Voice 8: Yeah, I'm going to note that trust council passed the motion, which determined that there, there was going to be a select committee. And so it is, it is a decision of trust council.

[4:52:56] Voice 8: And I know that there's certain people that have gone trustees that have gone into the press and other places saying that they're opposed to this motion of trust council, which I have real problems with.

[4:53:10] Voice 8: this is something that has always been a problem in the past and appears to be no problem now it's

[4:53:19] Voice 8: it's so if this is a new direction that we trustees if we disagree with a a motion of

[4:53:26] Voice 8: of trust council can uh go out into the press and uh oppose oppose it um it's a real concern thanks

[4:53:38] Voice 18: okay um you know we could obviously debate a motion of council at this point without any

[4:53:46] Voice 18: other direction um i would prefer i don't think that's wise uh and i would prefer not to do that

[4:53:52] Voice 18: at this time so i want to speak uh speakers to speak to adding this governance and management

[4:53:59] Voice 18: review to the strategic plan so that the resources necessary to support it that they

[4:54:05] Voice 18: the resources necessary to support it can be applied to it and this is a motion of council

[4:54:12] Voice 18: so trustee middleton to the motion yes

[4:54:16] Trustee Middleton: thank you very much sir i just note that um i think this

[4:54:21] Trustee Middleton: very much is in alignment with items already in the strategic plan where we talk about strengthening

[4:54:26] Trustee Middleton: trust governance i believe i can't remember the line item um so one could argue that actually

[4:54:32] Trustee Middleton: this as an initiative directly in support of a previously endorsed strategic direction of council

[4:54:37] Trustee Middleton: and i think just in case this motion is overwrought with emotion one must simply step

[4:54:46] Trustee Middleton: back and see that this is a bit of a housekeeping motion really as was pointed out in the report

[4:54:50] Trustee Middleton: that uh uh prefaced the the the um the moving of of this motion that it creates transparency

[4:54:58] Trustee Middleton: and alignment with our existing strategic plan.

[4:55:01] Trustee Middleton: So, I mean, I think we just need to remember that the work was authorized separately.

[4:55:05] Trustee Middleton: This is, in some cases, to increase the transparency of the work

[4:55:11] Trustee Middleton: and just keep housekeeping alignment, if you will, with the initiatives of Trust Council.

[4:55:19] Trustee Middleton: So, thank you.

[4:55:20] Voice 18: Thank you, Trustee Middleton. Trustee Patrick?

[4:55:22] Voice 18: I

[4:55:23] Trustee Patrick: just want to correct because there's been considerable emails about the December 9th

[4:55:29] Trustee Patrick: driftwood article accusing trustees of speaking out of school about a trust council decision

[4:55:36] Trustee Patrick: that was a reporter that had been in the meeting and had listened she did interview two people

[4:55:41] Trustee Patrick: myself and lee middleton the only quote that I was added because she was specifically speaking

[4:55:48] Trustee Patrick: speaking about the comments I made in the meeting

[4:55:50] Trustee Patrick: about Salt Spring was the Bonnie Henry quote

[4:55:54] Trustee Patrick: about Salt Spring not being consulted

[4:55:57] Trustee Patrick: on the creation of the terms of reference.

[4:55:59] Trustee Patrick: So I just wanna make sure that's on the record.

[4:56:05] Voice 17: Thank you, Trustee Patrick.

[4:56:11] Voice 18: I'm just struggling for a moment.

[4:56:13] Voice 18: Call the question.

[4:56:15] Voice 17: Call the question.

[4:56:16] Voice 18: All those in favor.

[4:56:18] Voice 18: Thank you, sir.

[4:56:32] Voice 18: So I

[4:56:32] Voice 18: have hands up on the screen.

[4:56:34] Voice 18: I have one up on the screen.

[4:56:36] Voice 18: I have 13 on the in the room or on the on the participants list in favor so now I'm going to

[4:56:45] Voice 18: call for those opposed so that's 14 in favor

[4:56:50] Voice 27: all

[4:56:53] Voice 18: those opposed okay Michael

[4:57:02] Voice 18: so I have one two three

[4:57:09] Voice 18: four five persons opposed I had 14 in favor that leaves a number of trustees uh not voting and so

[4:57:18] Voice 18: therefore voting in favor and then that carries so thank you very much council the council uh

[4:57:27] Voice 18: there's lots of further business for us tomorrow that's for sure and uh i am not inclined to get

[4:57:35] Voice 18: back any further business uh today and so would like to ask a recess and uh ask you to uh collect

[4:57:43] Voice 18: your thoughts and be ready for uh a meeting tomorrow which i suspect will run into overtime

[4:57:49] Voice 18: time so be prepared for that uh trustee rogers did you have a hand up

[4:57:53] Trustee Rogers: for something i just wanted

[4:57:54] Trustee Rogers: to make sure that we're all on the same page as we go we have an in-camera meeting but and i think

[4:57:59] Trustee Rogers: it's imperative that we uh have the work around the uh the planning services uh and the uh the

[4:58:08] Trustee Rogers: reports on that before we come back for the budget uh approval documents um i think that's that that's

[4:58:16] Trustee Rogers: part of the and so if we could make sure that as we're working our way through i'm guessing that's

[4:58:21] Trustee Rogers: what you plan to do in any case um but that's what i think it's important that we can we finish off

[4:58:27] Trustee Rogers: those items and so understand all those ramifications before we um we have the bylaw

[4:58:33] Trustee Rogers: it's a bylaw adoption i know that's what the budget is it's a weird one thank you

[4:58:39] Trustee Rogers: yeah go ahead yeah

[4:58:41] Voice 18: i would be inclined to do exactly that to finish up any business to be

[4:58:45] Voice 18: sure that we're clear and then the budget approval will happen after that but we're obviously going

[4:58:52] Voice 18: to have to be pretty tight on our work tomorrow and discussions yeah i trust uh okay so the ceo

[4:59:00] Voice 18: hudson pillar um

[4:59:02] Voice 16: so that being said anything can arrive at the floor at any time but the

[4:59:08] Voice 16: presumption is that today gives um the director leave to amend the budget and amend the bylaw

[4:59:17] Voice 16: for presentation tomorrow and there isn't really anything specific on the table at this time but

[4:59:22] Voice 16: trust council yourself mr chair wants to see amended well

[4:59:27] Voice 18: the opportunity to to entertain

[4:59:29] Voice 16: tomorrow

[4:59:30] Voice 18: is pretty much zero we would have to probably recess

[4:59:36] Voice 18: have an amendment date and then we'd have to return to the table to re-debate it again so

[4:59:40] Voice 18: if

[4:59:41] Voice 16: you wanted to make sure

[4:59:41] Voice 18: yeah no absolutely so we want to be sure that this is essentially

[4:59:45] Voice 18: essentially what we've got, but certainly as Trustee Rogers indicated, we want to have

[4:59:49] Voice 18: full understanding, but amendments to the budget would be difficult. We are obligated

[4:59:54] Voice 18: to have an adopted budget by the end of this meeting.

[5:00:00] Voice 18: and CAO Hudson-Piller always has something in his back pocket and would like to share one last

[5:00:06] Voice 18: thought with you before we reset.

[5:00:09] Trustee Morrison: Maybe if I could just say something before you do that, Russ.

[5:00:12] Trustee Morrison: Okay. So just to be really clear then, my earlier point about the RFD and local planning services,

[5:00:20] Trustee Morrison: there's no budgetary impact. I believe there is no budgetary impact, but just to be really clear

[5:00:24] Trustee Morrison: about that okay

[5:00:24] Voice 16: great thank you thank you for that well uh this is a bit of a plug here at the

[5:00:31] Voice 16: end of the day but uh i was just saying that um we just got in the mail a couple of days ago

[5:00:37] Voice 16: empowering claim climate action in the united states uh authored by tom bowman and uh deb

[5:00:42] Voice 16: morrison forward by thomas lovejoy so um here here it is um in its fullest um thank you very

[5:00:50] Voice 16: much trustee morrison for the receipt of this i've given it a um it's quite readable um if you don't

[5:00:57] Voice 16: mind my editor you know my my commentary and i and i ask everyone to look at the middle out strategy

[5:01:02] Voice 16: as a concept for uh um for the discussions on these things so uh get in touch with her if you

[5:01:08] Voice 16: want to copy it's rare that we have an author who happens to be um working in the exact same field

[5:01:13] Voice 16: that we're doing some work as well so thanks thanks

[5:01:18] Voice 4: any

[5:01:20] Voice 18: executive coordinator

[5:01:24] Voice 18: no no

[5:01:25] Voice 19: closed meeting same link for everybody uh we start at nine not any earlier okay so we're

[5:01:32] Voice 18: going to start at nine o'clock and the same link you had before so thank you very much

[5:01:37] Voice 18: lori for your uh work today we couldn't

[5:01:41] Voice 18: do it without you okay everybody have a great evening