Islands Trust Council regular meeting, March 11, 2021

[1:46:53] Voice 14: It just flipped over Lori.

[1:46:58] Voice 26: So we're streaming from your feed now.

[1:47:01] Trustee Patrick: Oh, I was muted. Yeah. I see that. Beautiful.

[1:47:04] Voice 26: Okay. I'll let you guys be then. I, I mean,

[1:47:06] Voice 26: there won't be any surprises from here on in and then I'll, I'll yeah.

[1:47:10] Voice 26: Right. Exactly. But yeah, everybody knows how to contact me.

[1:47:16] Voice 26: So if you have any issues, just follow up. Okay.

[1:47:18] Voice 14: Thank you, Mark. Okay.

[1:47:20] Voice 14: Bye-bye. Good luck today.

[1:47:21] Voice 14: I don't know if you're speaking Peter, but you're muted.

[1:50:39] Voice 25: Okay. Okay. Welcome back, trustees. I don't see many video cameras on. So if you don't mind,

[1:50:47] Voice 25: let's get our video cameras on. And I want to welcome members of the public today on day three

[1:50:59] Voice 25: of our quarterly Trust Council meeting, March. I like to think of it as the budget meeting.

[1:51:06] Voice 25: We've had quite a lot of discussion and deliberation in the last 48 hours. Day one

[1:51:13] Voice 25: one was all about policy statement.

[1:51:15] Voice 25: A good part of day two was about policy statement

[1:51:19] Voice 25: and of course the budget.

[1:51:20] Voice 25: And my name is Peter Lockham.

[1:51:24] Voice 25: I'm elected on Thetis Island

[1:51:26] Voice 25: and that is in the Penelope and Tlaxon territory.

[1:51:31] Voice 25: Today, I find myself in Victoria

[1:51:33] Voice 25: in the Lgonkron territory.

[1:51:35] Voice 25: It is an absolute honor and privilege to be living here

[1:51:40] Voice 25: and as depicted by the pictures behind me

[1:51:43] Voice 25: and the many pictures behind the trustees on their screens,

[1:51:47] Voice 25: the beauty and character of this place,

[1:51:51] Voice 25: which has been the homeland of the First Nations

[1:51:54] Voice 25: since the beginning of time.

[1:51:55] Voice 25: And I'm humbled and grateful to be here.

[1:52:02] Voice 25: I'm going to move on because of time

[1:52:06] Voice 25: and just advise that we did an in-camera session this morning

[1:52:13] Voice 25: and our rise and report from that in-camera session

[1:52:16] Voice 25: is fairly simple.

[1:52:19] Voice 25: We adopted the in-camera minutes

[1:52:22] Voice 25: of the December trust council meeting.

[1:52:24] Voice 25: We received a report from staff on litigation

[1:52:27] Voice 25: that's happening throughout the trust area.

[1:52:30] Voice 25: We also received an interpretation

[1:52:32] Voice 25: on the Islands Trust electronic meeting regulations

[1:52:36] Voice 25: and how that will be affecting us going forward.

[1:52:40] Voice 25: We also received a legal opinion as requested by council

[1:52:44] Voice 25: on the prohibiting or regulating

[1:52:45] Voice 25: and non-emergency anchoring of vessels as possible.

[1:52:50] Voice 25: And so that was received.

[1:52:53] Voice 25: And then we had a session of what we called,

[1:52:58] Voice 25: we refer to as staff matters

[1:53:00] Voice 25: just to discuss internal issues.

[1:53:02] Voice 25: So that was it for our in-camera session.

[1:53:06] Voice 25: So council, we have two entire sections

[1:53:10] Voice 25: of the Alliance Trust Organization,

[1:53:13] Voice 25: Trust Area Services Work on Planning Services,

[1:53:16] Voice 25: which I continue to defer,

[1:53:19] Voice 25: but we will have to take on before we leave today.

[1:53:23] Voice 25: I do want to respect that many people

[1:53:26] Voice 25: are anticipating that we would start

[1:53:29] Voice 25: the budget approval process at 10.15 this morning.

[1:53:32] Voice 25: We are now at 10.35.

[1:53:33] Voice 25: I want to start that process now

[1:53:36] Voice 25: to fulfill that expectation,

[1:53:38] Voice 25: and then we will go into the remaining portions

[1:53:41] Voice 25: of our business agenda.

[1:53:45] Voice 25: I encourage you to bear with us and stay with us.

[1:53:49] Voice 25: We'll keep to our business as we can.

[1:53:51] Voice 25: But I do want to try and conclude

[1:53:53] Voice 25: the business set ahead of us.

[1:53:55] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Chair, point of order, point of order.

[1:53:57] Trustee Rogers: We discussed at the end of the day yesterday

[1:53:59] Trustee Rogers: that we would do the local planning services

[1:54:02] Trustee Rogers: and the trust area services

[1:54:04] Trustee Rogers: before we got to budget approval.

[1:54:08] Trustee Rogers: You recall there's a-

[1:54:11] Voice 25: Right, there is one item worthy of consideration within the local planning services agenda that we should discuss it. Am I correct on that, Trustee Rogers?

[1:54:24] Trustee Rogers: I had not parsed it out that way. I just assumed that we would deal with those two items.

[1:54:32] Trustee Rogers: I raised it. I'm raising it mostly because Trustee Morrison has made it clear she wants to have a discussion about one of her motions.

[1:54:42] Trustee Rogers: and uh uh before we got to uh the budget approval and i guess the question could be that we could

[1:54:52] Trustee Rogers: separate that out but i just assumed we would leave budget approval until we had worked our

[1:54:56] Trustee Rogers: way through those two sessions but i leave it to the discretion of trust council i just want

[1:55:00] Trustee Rogers: to flag that right

[1:55:02] Voice 25: thank you so um i think what i'm inclined to do is turn to trustee morrison

[1:55:08] Voice 25: just to ask her of course my expectation is that we're not actually going to amend the budget at

[1:55:16] Voice 25: this point we're going to be approving the budget we receive a summary report on from

[1:55:21] Voice 25: staff with respect to what the changes are so that we're clear and so certainly that

[1:55:28] Voice 25: conversation there I think is intended to provide direction to trust area services

[1:55:36] Voice 25: versus local land planning services, excuse me,

[1:55:39] Voice 25: land planning services.

[1:55:42] Voice 25: And so Trustee Morrison, do you wish to advance that topic

[1:55:48] Voice 25: prior to the budget approval process here?

[1:55:53] Trustee Morrison: I actually think I'm fine to go either way.

[1:55:56] Trustee Morrison: If we want to go ahead and go on with the budget approval,

[1:55:58] Trustee Morrison: that's fine.

[1:56:00] Voice 25: All right, I do have Director Mobs here.

[1:56:04] Voice 25: There is something about public expectation

[1:56:06] Voice 25: that people may have joined us specifically

[1:56:09] Voice 25: to hear this part.

[1:56:10] Voice 25: And if we delay it much further,

[1:56:12] Voice 25: that may interfere with the public's ability

[1:56:15] Voice 25: to observe the business.

[1:56:16] Voice 25: So I'm inclined to do that.

[1:56:18] Voice 25: Is there anybody that seriously objects

[1:56:21] Voice 25: in that consensus decision model?

[1:56:24] Voice 25: Five fingers, I'm completely in favor.

[1:56:26] Voice 25: One finger, I'm not in favor.

[1:56:28] Voice 25: And that's a thumb, maybe.

[1:56:30] Voice 25: And I'm not

[1:56:31] Voice 25: seeing any objections.

[1:56:32] Voice 25: So let us continue then with the budget.

[1:56:39] Voice 25: You're gonna approve the budget section.

[1:56:41] Voice 25: Yeah, I'm looking for the number now.

[1:56:43] Voice 25: I'm looking at section 13, budget approval, 13.1.

[1:56:48] Voice 25: I'm gonna turn it over to Director Mobs

[1:56:51] Voice 25: who has worked all night on making the amendments

[1:56:54] Voice 25: that we proposed yesterday and to give us a summary

[1:56:58] Voice 25: of where we're at.

[1:56:59] Voice 25: and then I'd be turning it over to the chair

[1:57:02] Voice 25: of the financial planning committee,

[1:57:04] Voice 25: assuming he's with us or vice chair, possibly if he's not.

[1:57:07] Voice 25: I did get an indication that Trustee Grove

[1:57:10] Voice 25: might not be here at this time,

[1:57:12] Voice 25: but let's go with Julia and see how it unfolds.

[1:57:14] Voice 25: There's Trustee Grove.

[1:57:15] Voice 25: Thank you, sir.

[1:57:17] Voice 23: So she

[1:57:17] Voice 23: literally did work all night

[1:57:19] Voice 23: because I got this at one in the morning.

[1:57:21] Voice 23: So it's a night budget.

[1:57:25] Voice 25: Excellent.

[1:57:25] Voice 25: So I hope you've had a lot of coffee, Julia.

[1:57:27] Voice 25: And over to you.

[1:57:29] Voice 29: probably too much coffee.

[1:57:31] Voice 29: And to be fair, I did take a break after yesterday's meeting

[1:57:34] Voice 29: before jumping into work.

[1:57:35] Voice 29: So it wasn't an all night exercise.

[1:57:39] Voice 29: So each trust council should have received by email

[1:57:43] Voice 29: a copy of the documents that I've prepared

[1:57:46] Voice 29: that are a fallout of yesterday's discussion

[1:57:48] Voice 29: and amendments made to the budget.

[1:57:51] Voice 29: So hopefully Laurie can pull that up on screen for us

[1:57:54] Voice 29: and I'll walk us through that.

[1:57:56] Voice 29: Thanks, Laurie.

[1:57:56] Voice 29: So on the first page there we see that by my count Trust Council made six

[1:58:04] Voice 29: amendments to the budget yesterday and each of those amendments is reflected at

[1:58:08] Voice 29: the top of the summary sheet. The first section of the summary page is where I

[1:58:13] Voice 29: show where each change is allocated in the budget and so we see that $25,000

[1:58:18] Voice 29: impacts meeting expense, $34,000 impacts our salaries line and $165,000

[1:58:25] Voice 29: dollars impact strategic plan projects and that is due to all of the project work that was added

[1:58:31] Voice 29: back. The second part of that worksheet looks at the impact of the changes to the budget figures

[1:58:36] Voice 29: and so each of the budget lines that I've mentioned meeting salaries strategic plan projects

[1:58:40] Voice 29: they've all been increased to reflect the changes made by trust council and of course these changes

[1:58:45] Voice 29: to expenses do impact the required revenues in the budget and so the final three lines on that

[1:58:50] Voice 29: page show the impact to our various revenue sources. So what we see is that local trust area

[1:58:55] Voice 29: taxation increases from 4.09% up to 4.37%. That does include the non-market change percentage of

[1:59:05] Voice 29: 0.87%. We see that Bowen Island property taxes are going up to $311,000, which is now an increase of

[1:59:13] Voice 29: of 2.7% from the former 0.8%.

[1:59:17] Voice 29: The planned draw from the General Revenue Surplus Fund

[1:59:20] Voice 29: was formerly $174,000 and it is now $373,666 or 660, sorry.

[1:59:30] Voice 29: So that's an increase in our draw from surplus

[1:59:32] Voice 29: of just over $199,000.

[1:59:36] Voice 29: Recalculation of the General Revenue Surplus Fund balance

[1:59:39] Voice 29: is approximately 1.65 million.

[1:59:43] Voice 29: against the new policy minimum of $1.6 million.

[1:59:46] Voice 29: So we're in good shape there.

[1:59:48] Voice 29: We'll have just a few excess funds at the end of the year.

[1:59:52] Voice 29: I did include on the second page a copy of the amended budget detail,

[1:59:56] Voice 29: and that reflects these changes that have been made.

[2:00:00] Voice 29: And so each area that's experienced a change,

[2:00:02] Voice 29: I've highlighted in light green,

[2:00:03] Voice 29: just to help with ease of review.

[2:00:05] Voice 29: That's a very dense document

[2:00:07] Voice 29: with lots of numbers flowing around.

[2:00:09] Voice 29: So before we actually move into the bylaw and its approval,

[2:00:13] Voice 29: I thought I'd pause to see if there's questions

[2:00:16] Voice 29: on the summary of changes.

[2:00:19] Voice 25: Thank you, Julia, and thank you for the late night.

[2:00:22] Voice 25: I'll ask, are there any questions for the director?

[2:00:26] Voice 25: Trustee Wright.

[2:00:27] Voice 25: Yeah,

[2:00:29] Voice 4: I understand this is not entirely in your house, Julian.

[2:00:36] Voice 4: I don't want to put any undue pressure on you.

[2:00:39] Voice 4: But when we price out and cost out these projects, I'm finding that we approve a project at a certain cost.

[2:00:48] Voice 4: And then the following term, we end up with another additional cost in order to complete it.

[2:00:57] Voice 4: and it's really difficult for me to get a handle on the total package and the total cost of a

[2:01:03] Voice 4: project when we approve it when we're doing it piecemeal like this and I'm wondering if there's

[2:01:10] Voice 4: anything that we can do from a budgetary perspective or to change a policy that would

[2:01:17] Voice 4: would require the entire cost of a project

[2:01:21] Voice 4: be prior or at least before we approve it?

[2:01:28] Voice 25: So Trustee Wright and Director Mobs perhaps,

[2:01:32] Voice 25: that's a terrific question.

[2:01:34] Voice 25: I think that that's maybe a question that we could answer

[2:01:37] Voice 25: outside of the budget approval process

[2:01:39] Voice 25: because what I think I want to focus on today

[2:01:42] Voice 25: is a budget approval process,

[2:01:43] Voice 25: but would certainly suggest that they bring that up

[2:01:47] Voice 25: as a topic of discussion.

[2:01:49] Voice 25: And I will allow Director Mops just to make a remark

[2:01:52] Voice 25: or concur or not with my own thoughts there.

[2:01:57] Voice 29: So I actually didn't catch the question.

[2:01:59] Voice 29: It cut out there.

[2:02:01] Voice 29: Trustee Wright's audio cut out for me at the very end.

[2:02:04] Voice 29: So I didn't actually catch what the question was,

[2:02:06] Voice 29: but I did get the preamble.

[2:02:08] Voice 4: Okay, yeah, I'm sorry.

[2:02:09] Voice 4: My internet is pretty unstable here on Pinter,

[2:02:11] Voice 4: but I'll go along with Peter's request

[2:02:16] Voice 4: and address it somewhere else, thanks.

[2:02:19] Voice 25: Okay, thank you

[2:02:20] Voice 4: very much, Trustee Wright

[2:02:21] Voice 25: for that.

[2:02:24] Voice 25: So questions on the amended budget

[2:02:29] Voice 25: from your direction from yesterday

[2:02:31] Voice 25: and the summary report that's before us.

[2:02:33] Voice 25: Are there any?

[2:02:36] Voice 25: Julia, you're a magician, thank you.

[2:02:39] Voice 25: Oh, Trustee Cahill.

[2:02:43] Voice 7: Yes, Julia, thank you very much.

[2:02:45] Voice 7: Just one thing.

[2:02:46] Voice 7: We know that some of these expenses

[2:02:48] Voice 7: are covered under grants.

[2:02:51] Voice 7: And of course we don't show it, we show the entire expense

[2:02:56] Voice 7: and that doesn't always serve us well

[2:03:00] Voice 7: from a public presentation.

[2:03:02] Voice 7: Maybe if not now, but later for reporting back

[2:03:06] Voice 7: to our various communities, we can get a little bit

[2:03:09] Voice 7: of a handle on some of these figures actually net of grants

[2:03:13] Voice 7: because I think that would be to the trust advantage

[2:03:15] Voice 7: where an expense is directly covered by a grant and so that is that is that is maybe a request

[2:03:24] Voice 7: for later but certainly some of us would be find it advantageous to report back more accurately

[2:03:29] Voice 7: when we have that information from me which we can get separately by the way yeah

[2:03:35] Voice 29: and unfortunately

[2:03:36] Voice 29: there are certain guidelines we need to follow for our official reporting but absolutely for

[2:03:41] Voice 29: for internal reports and internal summaries,

[2:03:46] Voice 29: we can try and show things slightly differently.

[2:03:48] Voice 29: I will just point out briefly that where we show

[2:03:51] Voice 29: the amount of grants that will be applied

[2:03:53] Voice 29: to our total expenses is in the revenue section.

[2:03:56] Voice 29: So we do see separate lines there for each of our grants.

[2:03:59] Voice 29: So that's a good place to look to see how much

[2:04:02] Voice 29: of total expenses will be paid by grant funds.

[2:04:06] Voice 25: So thank you, Julia, for that answer.

[2:04:09] Voice 25: And I'm sure that Trustee Grove would agree.

[2:04:11] Voice 25: And I'll just note that, and again,

[2:04:12] Voice 25: Trustee Grove would agree that there was a discussion

[2:04:15] Voice 25: about that very point at Financial Planning Committee,

[2:04:17] Voice 25: Michael, in how to make it more clear

[2:04:20] Voice 25: that the budget isn't necessarily going up by that much

[2:04:23] Voice 25: because there's grant money being applied.

[2:04:27] Voice 25: So if there's not further questions,

[2:04:29] Voice 25: then I'm gonna turn it over to Trustee Grove

[2:04:30] Voice 25: to kick us off with some motions.

[2:04:34] Trustee Grove: And I'm delighted to do it.

[2:04:36] Trustee Grove: And once again, thank you, Julia, for making this so clear.

[2:04:39] Trustee Grove: and so prompt today.

[2:04:43] Trustee Grove: So I will move that the Islands Trust Council By-law 181

[2:04:45] Trustee Grove: cited as the financial plan by-law 2021-22

[2:04:48] Trustee Grove: be read a first time.

[2:04:51] Trustee Grove: I'll second that.

[2:04:53] Voice 25: Seconder, Trustee Brent.

[2:04:55] Voice 25: Is there any viewers to speak to the motion, Trustee Grove?

[2:05:00] Trustee Grove: I do not.

[2:05:01] Voice 25: Thank you, sir.

[2:05:03] Voice 25: Trustee Brent, any remarks?

[2:05:06] Voice 25: No remarks.

[2:05:07] Voice 25: Then let's

[2:05:08] Voice 10: go to the vote.

[2:05:09] Voice 25: then on the motion as moved on on the screen the first one all those in favor looks like uh 20 in

[2:05:26] Voice 25: favor digitally and um is there anybody on the screen no so then hands down any hands down

[2:05:38] Voice 25: hands down please let's defend okay perfect any opposed none opposed that carries back to you

[2:05:55] Voice 25: Thank

[2:05:56] Trustee Grove: you for that. So I will move that the Islands Trust Council by law 181 cited as the financial plan by law 2021-22 be read a second time.

[2:06:06] Trustee Grove: Moved

[2:06:06] Voice 25: and seconded by Trustee Wolverton.

[2:06:10] Voice 25: I wish to speak to the motion.

[2:06:13] Voice 25: No.

[2:06:13] Trustee Maude: Moved or seconded?

[2:06:14] Voice 25: No.

[2:06:15] Voice 25: Okay,

[2:06:15] Voice 14: then I'll call the vote.

[2:06:16] Voice 25: All those in favor?

[2:06:17] Voice 25: All right.

[2:06:26] Voice 25: Then please lower your hands.

[2:06:27] Voice 25: That's 22 in favor.

[2:06:29] Voice 25: any

[2:06:37] Voice 14: of any opposed not

[2:06:43] Voice 25: opposed that to carry unanimously so I will

[2:06:47] Trustee Grove: move that I

[2:06:48] Trustee Grove: will move the guidance Trust Council by law 181 cited as the financial plan by

[2:06:52] Trustee Grove: law 2021 22 we read a third time let's

[2:06:56] Voice 25: move to a seconder trustee fast thank

[2:06:59] Voice 25: you any discussion and I'll call

[2:07:03] Voice 14: for the vote all those in favor and

[2:07:14] Voice 25: I see 22 in

[2:07:16] Voice 25: In favor, I'll ask you to lower your hands.

[2:07:26] Voice 14: Any opposed?

[2:07:30] Voice 25: None opposed, that carries.

[2:07:34] Trustee Grove: And the final one, Chair.

[2:07:36] Trustee Grove: I will move that the Islands Trust Council By-law 181

[2:07:39] Trustee Grove: cited as the financial plan by law 2021-22

[2:07:42] Trustee Grove: be forwarded to the Minister of Municipal Affairs

[2:07:44] Trustee Grove: for approval consideration.

[2:07:46] Trustee Grove: I second it.

[2:07:48] Voice 25: Seconded by Longerize.

[2:07:52] Voice 25: Any discussion?

[2:07:55] Voice 25: I'll call for the vote.

[2:07:56] Voice 25: Vote all those in favor.

[2:08:08] Voice 14: And lower your hands.

[2:08:21] Voice 14: Any opposed?

[2:08:25] Voice 25: None opposed.

[2:08:27] Voice 25: That too carries.

[2:08:28] Voice 25: Thank you very much.

[2:08:30] Voice 25: So the next item would be 13.2, the bylaw 182, revenue anticipation borrowing bylaw.

[2:08:39] Voice 25: Perhaps, Trustee Gove, you want to speak to that and make a motion?

[2:08:43] Trustee Grove: I think, Julia Mobs, would you like to explain what that's all about in case some people aren't sure?

[2:08:49] Voice 29: Sure.

[2:08:50] Voice 29: Sure. So this is a by-law that's approved each year by Trust Council. It gives the approval for

[2:08:57] Voice 29: Islands Trust to borrow revenue if it's needed. So if there are significant unforeseen circumstances

[2:09:02] Voice 29: that mean that we don't have enough money for certain expenses, this allows us to actually

[2:09:08] Voice 29: go out and borrow without having to come to Trust Council first. So historically, I don't believe

[2:09:13] Voice 29: this by-law or there's been a need to borrow for many, many years. It is just something that we do

[2:09:19] Voice 29: here administratively in case it's needed later in the year.

[2:09:21] Trustee Grove: And up to what amount Julia?

[2:09:25] Voice 29: I believe it's one million.

[2:09:28] Trustee Grove: Thank you. So unless there are any questions I will make those motions.

[2:09:33] Trustee Grove: I see no questions. I will therefore move that the Islands Trust Council By-law 182

[2:09:39] Trustee Grove: say as the revenue anticipation borrowing by law 2122 be read a first time.

[2:09:45] Trustee Grove: So

[2:09:47] Voice 25: moved by the seconder.

[2:09:48] Trustee Grove: Paul Brandt.

[2:09:50] Voice 25: Trustee Fast on the screen. Any discussion? Not seeing any discussion. All those in favor?

[2:10:11] Voice 25: Okay, so please lower your hand. That's 20 in favor. Any opposed? None opposed? That carries.

[2:10:23] Voice 25: Thank you. Trustee Grove.

[2:10:24] Trustee Grove: So I will move that the Islands Trust Council By-law 182, cited as the revenue anticipation

[2:10:29] Trustee Grove: burrowing by law 2021-22 be read a second time?

[2:10:37] Voice 25: Move to have a seconder, Trustee Wolgerton.

[2:10:39] Voice 25: Any discussion?

[2:10:42] Voice 25: All those in favor?

[2:10:46] Voice 25: Oh, Trustee Bishakin, did you have a question?

[2:10:52] Trustee Fast: I was voting.

[2:10:53] Trustee Fast: I believe

[2:10:54] Trustee Fast: Trustee Dodds has her hand up.

[2:10:57] Voice 25: Oh, Trustee Dodds, are you voting or?

[2:11:00] Trustee Busheikin: I'm voting because I've lost my hand,

[2:11:03] Trustee Busheikin: so I was voting in favor.

[2:11:04] Voice 25: Thank you.

[2:11:05] Voice 25: you so all those in favor so i've got 21 including trustee dodds thank you very much any uh lower

[2:11:13] Voice 25: your hands any opposed so there's 22 in favor uh and that carries uh just uh by chair grow back to

[2:11:28] Voice 25: you i

[2:11:29] Trustee Grove: move the islands trust council bylaw 182 cited as the revenue anticipation borrowing bylaw

[2:11:34] Trustee Grove: 20 21 22 be read a third time i

[2:11:38] Voice 25: don't uh move it to a second there i'll second it trustee peterson

[2:11:44] Voice 25: thank you um any discussion all those in faith please vote in favor all those in favor i see

[2:11:58] Voice 25: you on the screen thank you and so that's uh 21 um so i'll call you to lower your hand and i'll ask

[2:12:11] Voice 25: I'll ask for those opposed.

[2:12:15] Voice 25: None opposed.

[2:12:16] Voice 25: That carries.

[2:12:18] Trustee Grove: So I move that Islands Trust Council By-law 182

[2:12:21] Trustee Grove: cited as the revenue anticipation borrowing by-law 2021-22

[2:12:24] Trustee Grove: be forwarded to the Minister of Municipal Affairs

[2:12:26] Trustee Grove: for approval consideration.

[2:12:29] Voice 25: Thank you very much.

[2:12:31] Voice 25: Seconder?

[2:12:34] Voice 25: Trustee Brandt looks at it.

[2:12:36] Voice 25: So that's moved and seconded.

[2:12:38] Voice 25: Please, if you're in favor, vote now.

[2:12:49] Voice 14: Trustee

[2:12:50] Voice 25: Dodds on the screen.

[2:12:52] Voice 25: and 21 in the room, that makes 22.

[2:12:56] Voice 25: And so any opposed or lower your hands

[2:13:08] Voice 25: and any opposed and none opposed, so that carries.

[2:13:16] Voice 25: Trustee Brent, I'm assuming that you were not voting

[2:13:19] Voice 25: against it.

[2:13:21] Voice 10: No, Chair, I'm not, but I would like to make

[2:13:24] Voice 10: just a quick statement to acknowledge the excellence

[2:13:28] Voice 10: that Director Mobbs and her staff

[2:13:31] Voice 10: have provided this organization.

[2:13:32] Voice 10: I mean, I've been part of the financial planning committee for nine years now, and the level of clarity and vision that has been provided ever since Director Mobbs has come on board is outstanding.

[2:13:50] Voice 10: And I just think that we should acknowledge that kind of competence and performance. I think it's fabulous. Thanks.

[2:14:00] Trustee Grove: Thank you, Paul. I second that wholeheartedly.

[2:14:05] Voice 25: Thank you very much, Trustee Grove. I also want to compliment all the trustees and the Financial Planning Committee members that have also applied themselves diligently to being sure that you're receiving information and materials appropriate for your decision making.

[2:14:21] Voice 25: so thank you one and all for this excellent effort and we now the pressure's off we now

[2:14:29] Voice 25: have a budget for the coming fiscal year thank you very much all right council um i am going to

[2:14:36] Voice 25: wind the clock back now to yesterday at uh at this very same time almost 11 o'clock 10 15 yesterday

[2:14:45] Voice 25: today um and i don't know that it necessarily matters which item we take first um so i'm just

[2:14:54] Voice 25: going to begin from the beginning and work our way through um trust area services which

[2:15:00] Voice 25: um section of my thing which is at 9.1 on page 372 um and then we will continue on to local

[2:15:12] Voice 25: local planning services at 564.

[2:15:15] Voice 25: And then we will pick up with the trustee round table,

[2:15:18] Voice 25: which was planned to follow after the budget session.

[2:15:23] Voice 25: So if that's all right, council,

[2:15:25] Voice 25: let us begin with trust area services.

[2:15:28] Voice 25: As

[2:15:28] Voice 15: a raised hand.

[2:15:29] Voice 15: Can I

[2:15:30] Voice 25: intervene, Trustee Johnson, go ahead.

[2:15:32] Voice 15: I want to report to you that consistently,

[2:15:35] Voice 15: my screen showed one hand fewer than your count.

[2:15:40] Voice 15: count uh that's

[2:15:42] Voice 25: correct that is correct because i was uh audibly announcing my vote in all those

[2:15:49] Voice 25: okay thank you that explains

[2:15:52] Voice 25: thank you for keeping

[2:15:53] Voice 25: track however it is interesting to note that the

[2:15:56] Voice 25: number of people voting in favor does vary from 20 to 22 on a regular basis and um so i guess some

[2:16:05] Voice 25: are not voting.

[2:16:06] Voice 18: Chair Lockham I just you may not have seen Trustee Rockefeller is on a call out

[2:16:12] Voice 18: as a first responder.

[2:16:15] Voice 25: Okay thank you and you know I just want to not being a first responder

[2:16:21] Voice 25: myself I want to really acknowledge that commitment of all our first responders throughout

[2:16:25] Voice 25: the province and our trustees who are first responders and so my heart goes out to them in

[2:16:33] Voice 25: in an urgent response to the needs in their communities.

[2:16:38] Voice 25: And of course there are extra special safety considerations

[2:16:42] Voice 25: with respect to that work.

[2:16:44] Voice 25: So thank you, Trustee Rockefeller

[2:16:46] Voice 25: and other members of council.

[2:16:48] Voice 25: I think it's Trustee Colburn and myself

[2:16:50] Voice 25: that are also on first response teams.

[2:16:54] Voice 25: Thank you for that, James.

[2:16:56] Voice 25: Okay, so trust area services 9.1.

[2:16:59] Voice 25: We have three items for consent

[2:17:02] Voice 25: and that Trust Council would adopt the recommendations

[2:17:05] Voice 25: in 9.1, 2, or 3,

[2:17:07] Voice 25: unless somebody wishes to speak to one of those.

[2:17:10] Voice 25: Does anybody wish to speak to any of those first three items,

[2:17:14] Voice 25: 9.1, 1, 9.1, 2, or 9.1, 3?

[2:17:20] Voice 25: Give me a moment.

[2:17:21] Voice 25: Not seeing any,

[2:17:24] Voice 25: then I am going to, by general consent,

[2:17:28] Voice 25: accept that the Trust Council adopt the recommendations

[2:17:30] Voice 25: in item 9.11, 9.12 and 9.13.

[2:17:38] Voice 25: And therefore now I'm going to move on to items

[2:17:42] Voice 25: that we've indicated required presentation

[2:17:45] Voice 25: or discussion and decisions.

[2:17:47] Voice 25: And the first item being a 9.2.1

[2:17:50] Voice 25: trust area services directors report on page 557.

[2:17:55] Voice 25: I'll turn to director Frater.

[2:17:59] Voice 25: You also have a lovely Salish Sea background there.

[2:18:02] Voice 25: And thank you for that.

[2:18:04] Voice 25: And I'll turn it over to you.

[2:18:07] Voice 30: Thank you very much, Chair.

[2:18:08] Voice 30: A privilege to be with all of you this morning

[2:18:10] Voice 30: and joining you from WSANIC territory

[2:18:12] Voice 30: on a lovely sunny day.

[2:18:15] Voice 30: Just wanting to give you an update.

[2:18:17] Voice 30: There's lots in the director's report here for you to read,

[2:18:19] Voice 30: but wanted to just give you some of the highlights

[2:18:21] Voice 30: and updates.

[2:18:24] Voice 30: We have a couple HR changes coming ahead

[2:18:27] Voice 30: in the next little while.

[2:18:28] Voice 30: So, one I mentioned to you yesterday is within communications.

[2:18:32] Voice 30: Vicki Swan's been away on a temporary assignment, and she'll be back with us mid-April.

[2:18:37] Voice 30: And also, we are going to be, as per the local planning services review, we're still working towards eliminating the grants manager position and starting up a local trust committee advocacy position.

[2:18:50] Voice 30: We're working with public service agency on that, and the ball is currently in their court.

[2:18:54] Voice 30: So I'll provide you an update in June or by email if things progress before then.

[2:19:00] Voice 30: So just watch for those changes and we'll let you know if there's anything else you need to know there.

[2:19:07] Voice 30: And with regard to the report, you'll likely know that the Policy Statement Amendment Project has been a huge focus for the team.

[2:19:14] Voice 30: And just really want to acknowledge the work of the staff and Trust Area Services.

[2:19:18] Voice 30: It's been just enormous, but really excited about where we're heading.

[2:19:22] Voice 30: really thankful to all the trustees for help and promoting and public engagement opportunities and

[2:19:27] Voice 30: providing really thoughtful comments and really deeply engaging in this process. As some of you

[2:19:31] Voice 30: know this has sort of been a decade-long journey for me to get us to the place where we're now

[2:19:35] Voice 30: moving towards actually drafting a revised bylaw for your consideration so I'm excited to move into

[2:19:41] Voice 30: that next step and we'll be bringing it to all of you for feedback and just want to let you know

[2:19:46] Voice 30: there will be further opportunities for public engagement and for amending the draft bylaw that

[2:19:51] Voice 30: that we bring forward to better match your vision.

[2:19:55] Voice 30: Just also wanting to highlight

[2:19:56] Voice 30: that running both the budget consultation

[2:19:59] Voice 30: and the policy statement consultation concurrently

[2:20:01] Voice 30: was a first for the Islands Trust to try and do that.

[2:20:04] Voice 30: There were definitely some lessons learned

[2:20:06] Voice 30: and we're really getting more knowledge

[2:20:08] Voice 30: about how to do public engagement

[2:20:10] Voice 30: that we're gonna be working towards

[2:20:11] Voice 30: or sharing that learning throughout the organization.

[2:20:15] Voice 30: So just wanted to make you aware of that

[2:20:16] Voice 30: and building on what we've learned.

[2:20:18] Voice 30: It was certainly an intense time.

[2:20:20] Voice 30: also just wanting to highlight that the other major initiative is the website so I'm happy to

[2:20:26] Voice 30: report it is largely built so we are done building the website and we're now finishing up with some

[2:20:31] Voice 30: of the bugs that remain of course there's lots of technical things behind the scenes that I think

[2:20:35] Voice 30: with every website I'm learning with every website project this is all normal that there's little

[2:20:40] Voice 30: glitches that require technical fixes the next phase for it is we are moving into an internal

[2:20:46] Voice 30: review process. So we're staging that so we're not sort of overwhelmed with comments from 80 people

[2:20:50] Voice 30: at once. We're moving it out to the web editors. So these are the people that are going to be

[2:20:54] Voice 30: actually editing the site and quote unquote owning it and taking responsibility for keeping it

[2:20:59] Voice 30: updated. And we're going to give them a week or so to get in there, poke around, provide comments

[2:21:03] Voice 30: back and learn how to do basic edits. And then we're moving into a phase where we're going to be

[2:21:10] Voice 30: rolling it out to all staff. So all staff can get in there and comment on the language,

[2:21:13] Voice 30: which the structure and note where there's important information missing that we can then

[2:21:18] Voice 30: update. As I mentioned at the last meeting, we've significantly reduced the number of documents that

[2:21:23] Voice 30: are on the site. So inevitably things are going to be missing, easy to add them back in. So as

[2:21:29] Voice 30: you notice things that are missing, please do let us know and we'll add the content back in.

[2:21:34] Voice 30: We expect all going well. We'll then provide it to trustees for internal review. We're hoping

[2:21:39] Voice 30: around early April so around the first is our goal again don't quote me because I'm learning

[2:21:44] Voice 30: with this project that nothing is firm and we're hoping to give you 10 days to review it and

[2:21:49] Voice 30: provide comment which we'll then be working on iteratively as your comments flow in please be

[2:21:55] Voice 30: assured we're going to take everything seriously we may not get everything addressed before the

[2:21:59] Voice 30: launch date we're aiming for April the week of April 19th to go live with the new site what you

[2:22:04] Voice 30: you will notice during this period is discretionary updates to the old site might not happen. There's

[2:22:09] Voice 30: just not the resources to continually keep the old site up to date. See a little bit of lack of

[2:22:15] Voice 30: updating to the old site while everyone's focused on improving the new one. Do let us know and reach

[2:22:19] Voice 30: out to me if there's a concern around something that you feel really needs to be addressed.

[2:22:23] Voice 30: So that's the plan. All going well. We will have a new and exciting new site up. It is very

[2:22:28] Voice 30: different. So please take time to review when you get it. And I'm happy to receive all comments.

[2:22:32] Voice 30: if there are big requests for functionality changes we do have a bit of budget in next

[2:22:37] Voice 30: fiscal year to address those and we'll consider them like a phase two so long as we're still good

[2:22:42] Voice 30: to launch we will consider all that feedback so just wanted to let you know that once the

[2:22:48] Voice 30: so once the website is launched we'll be moving into taking all of that language and doing a

[2:22:53] Voice 30: publications update as I mentioned yesterday so we'll have new fresh language we've organized all

[2:22:57] Voice 30: all the imagery. And so it should be fairly straightforward to then update publications.

[2:23:02] Voice 30: We're wanting to pay attention to updating all the language we have to better match our

[2:23:06] Voice 30: reconciliation commitments and update all the hyperlinks to the new site and so on. So that's

[2:23:11] Voice 30: really the next phase for communications is moving into that initiative. And then all those new

[2:23:15] Voice 30: publications can be uploaded to the new website because you'll notice there's a bit of a mismatch

[2:23:19] Voice 30: in terms of the quality of the look and feel when you are on the website and then you click through

[2:23:24] Voice 30: to an old document. Other big highlights, we're going to be working towards a climate change

[2:23:29] Voice 30: webinar hopefully before the end of the fiscal year to provide climate change information from

[2:23:35] Voice 30: an Indigenous perspective. So stay tuned for more information on that. We're also going to continue

[2:23:40] Voice 30: the Crown land and intergovernmental work, feeling really optimistic there. I think I mentioned

[2:23:44] Voice 30: before we've got really great contacts there who seem to have a mandate to work with us and some

[2:23:48] Voice 30: accountability on their side. Again continuing to weave reconciliation through everything and I'm

[2:23:54] Voice 30: really loving how this is rolling out and just feel that we're so supported with Lisa Wilcox and

[2:23:59] Voice 30: all staff throughout the organization so that continues advocacy continues and then just wanted

[2:24:04] Voice 30: to let you know for communications generally lots of big changes behind the scenes that are going on

[2:24:10] Voice 30: we're working towards a communication strategy a new corporate identity guide so a new look and

[2:24:15] Voice 30: feel that will better match the new website we're weaving the tagline into all documents and it's

[2:24:20] Voice 30: amazing. We keep turning up new ones we've forgotten about. We're working on a new email

[2:24:24] Voice 30: signature for staff and a new procedure we're about to roll out. We've got the tax notice going

[2:24:29] Voice 30: to everyone that gets a tax notice in the trust. We've got that mailing that's going to go out in

[2:24:35] Voice 30: June from the province and we're also working on one for Bowen Island specifically and we're

[2:24:39] Voice 30: working with Bowen Island Municipality to have them insert that and that will contain Bowen

[2:24:44] Voice 30: specific information. And let me just scroll down here. I think that's the end generally.

[2:24:50] Voice 30: oh no no i also need to mention that the annual report is kicking off so your local trust

[2:24:55] Voice 30: committee agendas in the coming while will have your annual report sections for approval

[2:25:00] Voice 30: and finally as per yesterday and the budget approval we'll be working towards that community

[2:25:04] Voice 30: outreach program and mailing to new owners or new purchasers in the trust area so i'm happy to take

[2:25:12] Voice 30: questions on any of that thank you very much all

[2:25:16] Voice 25: right thank you um director of creator for your

[2:25:19] Voice 25: You and your team's terrific work to get us to this stage.

[2:25:24] Voice 25: Trustee Allen, Stanford, Rogers, Morrison.

[2:25:29] Voice 25: Thank you, Claire.

[2:25:31] Voice 25: I

[2:25:32] Trustee Allen: have two questions.

[2:25:35] Trustee Allen: The three-day Transport Canada Ocean Protection Plan in February,

[2:25:40] Trustee Allen: I wonder if you could elaborate what happened there.

[2:25:43] Trustee Allen: And then regarding the...

[2:25:44] Trustee Allen: Sorry, what?

[2:25:46] Trustee Allen: Nothing.

[2:25:47] Trustee Allen: Nothing, okay.

[2:25:48] Trustee Allen: Okay, in terms of the website, like the current website, I have real issues, just the search engine for me, I can type in fencing and that doesn't exist in, you know, the website, I'm meeting documents, and I'm wondering, I'm hoping that search engine will be a lot better.

[2:26:06] Trustee Allen: And also, I have concerns, I'm not sure how far it goes back, it's 2008 or something in terms of the documents available, but I often need to find documents before that and I have nowhere to go.

[2:26:18] Trustee Allen: and what where can we go and how are you going to address that thank you

[2:26:23] Voice 30: okay so with regard

[2:26:25] Voice 30: to your first question I did attend some of the ocean protection plan forum it was a busy time

[2:26:29] Voice 30: with work commitments so I missed some of it particularly I tuned into the anchorage sessions

[2:26:33] Voice 30: as did chair Leckham and was sincerely disappointed with the presentation and I'll admit to a great

[2:26:39] Voice 30: deal of frustration that the person presenting really had nothing new to say didn't seem familiar

[2:26:44] Voice 30: familiar with the issues, mischaracterized some of the community concerns.

[2:26:48] Voice 30: So I was very frustrated by that.

[2:26:51] Voice 30: And I think, yeah, just that's all I can say there.

[2:26:54] Voice 30: We were successful in getting it on the agenda, but I feel that

[2:26:58] Voice 30: it wasn't seriously addressed, I would say, in terms of community concern.

[2:27:04] Voice 30: Yeah, so there was that there is progress

[2:27:06] Voice 30: being made on a number of shipping safety matters.

[2:27:10] Voice 30: I would say there are there is work happening.

[2:27:12] Voice 30: but certainly the funding runs out next year and I'm concerned that they haven't made significant

[2:27:17] Voice 30: enough progress to really mitigate the risks in this region. There's been no work towards

[2:27:23] Voice 30: standby tugboat for example and still lots of concerns about cleaning up dilated bechamel

[2:27:29] Voice 30: that remains unaddressed in my view. We did receive presentations that were sent out to

[2:27:36] Voice 30: the participants so if you're interested in receiving that I'm happy to forward

[2:27:39] Voice 30: forward. So do reach out to me. With regard to the website, yes, documents are not going to go back

[2:27:45] Voice 30: far in time. The search engine is much better. In fact, the new website has two search engines.

[2:27:50] Voice 30: One is for web page content, and then we have a document library that will be for documents.

[2:27:56] Voice 30: As I said, we've kept the amount of documents lean because we want the search engine to work.

[2:28:00] Voice 30: What's happened with the old site with 10,000 documents is it's too much. You get

[2:28:06] Voice 30: unintelligible results because there's just too much there so we will hear from you as to whether

[2:28:11] Voice 30: or not we haven't gone back far in time for all things like advocacy letters correspondence

[2:28:17] Voice 30: we've only gone back to the beginning of this term simply we haven't had the resources to go back

[2:28:22] Voice 30: further that's the kind of feedback we're happy to hear do you need it to go back further and then

[2:28:26] Voice 30: we'll have to figure out how to resource that with regard to ltc agendas we did go back to the prior

[2:28:31] Voice 30: prior term. But yes, there's nothing there before that. So that would be a decision for you to let us know is do you need want those documents added? Of course, anything like a public agenda is available upon request. So anyone can reach out to staff. And if it's public, we can just provide it by email to anyone. Does that answer your question?

[2:28:50] Voice 25: Yes, thank you, Claire.

[2:28:52] Thank

[2:28:53] Voice 25: you. So, Trustee Stamford Rogers.

[2:28:56] Voice 25: Thank

[2:28:58] Trustee Stamford: you. Two questions. With the Crownland negotiations that I know you're working so diligently on for so long, I just want to make sure that the Islands Trust Conservancy is part of those discussions as we have particular goals as well within the Crownland on a bigger picture.

[2:29:18] Voice 30: sure uh yes certainly i am keeping that in mind as we have these conversations um i would say

[2:29:25] Voice 30: the focus is generally on the council level agreements at this stage but certainly we are

[2:29:30] Voice 30: having broad relationship building conversations across the board and just want to acknowledge

[2:29:35] Voice 30: it's a real senior staff team effort we've got the cao director of local planning services and

[2:29:40] Voice 30: the senior intergovernmental policy advisor and myself so really a strong effort to get these

[2:29:45] Voice 30: agreements done and as issues are arising now we've identified that we didn't receive a referral

[2:29:50] Voice 30: around marble muralette we're now able to follow up and use that as a case study for how to get

[2:29:54] Voice 30: the system fixed so it's moving i'm happy to hopefully we'll have some progress to report soon

[2:30:00] Voice 30: you a draft

[2:30:00] Trustee Stamford: super and it's good to hear that um um marble muralette is specifically cited and

[2:30:07] Trustee Stamford: that has a close association with the conservancy um my second uh is to comment that when you are

[2:30:17] Trustee Stamford: sending out um questions about the web that you include the itc board members um because they'll

[2:30:30] Trustee Stamford: all the prospects that would be good.

[2:30:33] Voice 30: Yes, thank you.

[2:30:34] Voice 30: We will be including, that is part of the plan

[2:30:36] Voice 30: that we will be including the appointed members

[2:30:37] Voice 30: as well for review.

[2:30:40] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Rogers.

[2:30:42] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, just one quick question about the website

[2:30:45] Trustee Rogers: and the transition period.

[2:30:48] Trustee Rogers: We often get requests from LTC levels

[2:30:52] Trustee Rogers: and I get them sometimes about whether or not comments

[2:30:56] Trustee Rogers: and letters are up on the website about applications.

[2:30:58] Trustee Rogers: I just wondered about that interim period.

[2:31:00] Trustee Rogers: you said it may not be updated as frequently. Is that going to be a function that may be lost

[2:31:06] Trustee Rogers: for a while?

[2:31:09] Voice 30: No. So no. Those are core documents. So LTC related documents will remain up to date

[2:31:16] Voice 30: for sure. That I consider mandatory. And so those will continue. What you will find on the new

[2:31:21] Voice 30: website, just to let you know, is that we are providing those documents differently. You may

[2:31:25] Voice 30: note on the current site, the way in which we provide applications is through a folder structure.

[2:31:30] Voice 30: that is a really efficient way of what we what we're a way of offering up transitory documents

[2:31:36] Voice 30: that are only on the website for a specified period of time we're going to we are offering

[2:31:40] Voice 30: up project LTC project documents now in the same manner so that we don't end up with all these

[2:31:46] Voice 30: temporary documents on the website long term and the other place we're proposing to do that is with

[2:31:51] Voice 30: trustee notebook or trustee newsletters is also provide them in that manner so they're not

[2:31:57] Voice 30: considered long-term corporate documents within the document library but through that transition

[2:32:01] Voice 30: all LTC documents will be current right up until the transition.

[2:32:05] Trustee Rogers: Okay thanks I just have a quick

[2:32:06] Trustee Rogers: comment I just want to tell you and I've told you this personally but I tell everyone how impressed

[2:32:12] Trustee Rogers: I have been with working with you and your staff with Delaney and Gillian and Lisa and other people

[2:32:18] Trustee Rogers: on the trust policy statement review it is a convoluted and can be a difficult iterative

[2:32:25] Trustee Rogers: process and I've just been extremely impressed with both the patience and the professionalism

[2:32:30] Trustee Rogers: of all of your your team so thank you very much for gathering that team and leading them in such

[2:32:36] Trustee Rogers: an able fashion able fashion thank

[2:32:38] Voice 30: you for that we'll certainly pass it along there

[2:32:42] Voice 25: you go thumbs

[2:32:42] Voice 25: up and applause across the trust area your director later thank you thank you Dan

[2:32:47] Voice 14: trustee

[2:32:48] Voice 25: morrison

[2:32:48] Voice 14: sorry

[2:32:56] Trustee Morrison: there's a number of challenges on my end today i'm sorry about that um um i just

[2:33:04] Trustee Morrison: wanted to reach out and say to everyone publicly um a big thank you to all of the trust area

[2:33:10] Trustee Morrison: services staff and and the work that they've been doing um it's been fabulous working with all of

[2:33:16] Trustee Morrison: you and and i think that as the work rolls out and as it becomes more public facing many people

[2:33:21] Trustee Morrison: across the trust area will start to really understand and see what that work looks like

[2:33:26] Trustee Morrison: um and so really happy they've been working on a relatively thin crew um and rotational crew and

[2:33:34] Trustee Morrison: not always like it's fully functional um so i really appreciate their efforts and um just a

[2:33:40] Trustee Morrison: big thank you to everyone thank

[2:33:43] Voice 30: you very much i'll pass that

[2:33:44] Voice 30: on as well all

[2:33:46] Voice 25: right so that concludes

[2:33:47] Voice 25: So that concludes the questions in that area.

[2:33:49] Voice 25: Thank you, Director Frater.

[2:33:54] Voice 25: Continue on the 9.22, Islands Trust Conservancy Report.

[2:34:00] Voice 25: Now, Clare Frater, do you want to pass that off

[2:34:03] Voice 25: to the chair of the Conservancy or do you want to introduce?

[2:34:06] Trustee Stamford: I can take that unless you've got something specific.

[2:34:10] Voice 30: Director Frater?

[2:34:12] Voice 30: Nope, but I'm here for support.

[2:34:13] Voice 30: If there's any questions you'd like to pass my way.

[2:34:16] Voice 30: Thank

[2:34:16] Trustee Stamford: you. I've turned off my video because apparently I was breaking up. So on our report here, you can see that very busy last few months for the Conservancy.

[2:34:29] Trustee Stamford: We're having no difficulty whatsoever finding very valuable ways to spend the species at risk project money that's being provided over this fiscal year from the federal government.

[2:34:45] Trustee Stamford: We are looking for a coordinator for the SAR money. The job description is going to come out any day now. I have a copy of it. One of the things I thought I could do to help people better understand how the conservancy operates is I'm going to provide a shortened synopsis of all the job positions in the conservancy.

[2:35:13] Trustee Stamford: so you get a sense of the direction and how it's uh how it operates out so i'll have that out to

[2:35:19] Trustee Stamford: you momentarily and it will include the new coordinator position um and uh one of i just

[2:35:27] Trustee Stamford: wanted to go over um one of the challenges as a chair is in the fundraising area we don't talk

[2:35:36] Trustee Stamford: about the details of our fundraising plan that we have agreed to one uh the detail because um

[2:35:42] Trustee Stamford: fundraising is quite a competitive um uh industry so we have to be careful how we we um publicize

[2:35:52] Trustee Stamford: our plans but um the opportunity fund which goes to so many really useful small projects

[2:36:00] Trustee Stamford: is pretty much completely depleted and we're looking at how to build up on that opportunity

[2:36:08] Trustee Stamford: fund and I'm always any time that I can get suggestions from trustees or other people that

[2:36:14] Trustee Stamford: have worked in the field to see how we can move that opportunity fund forward without

[2:36:20] Trustee Stamford: direct competition with local conservancies and local initiatives. The opportunity fund is the

[2:36:29] Trustee Stamford: the type of fund that for instance the rain coast um uh conservation foundation would be looking to

[2:36:35] Trustee Stamford: for some supportive funding for their projects um for instance on north pender um and that

[2:36:43] Trustee Stamford: brings me to the comments that were made with the rain court rain coast um forest or rain coast

[2:36:50] Trustee Stamford: foundation um uh the other night was that they do have an application in and it's it's being

[2:36:57] Trustee Stamford: reviewed. So that just hasn't come to the board yet. I finally just want to commend our staff

[2:37:04] Trustee Stamford: and that we now have a permanent manager in Kate Emmings, whose work has been invaluable over the

[2:37:12] Trustee Stamford: years for the Islands Trust Conservancy. And I'm so happy to be able to work with her and support

[2:37:20] Trustee Stamford: the work that they're doing. And I hope to see more and more communications between how our board

[2:37:27] Trustee Stamford: board works with Trust Council.

[2:37:29] Trustee Stamford: So any questions, I'm happy to answer them

[2:37:32] Trustee Stamford: or I can direct them towards Director Freyder.

[2:37:37] Voice 25: And questions, none.

[2:37:40] Voice 25: Okay, well, I want to thank all of you

[2:37:44] Voice 25: and perhaps Kate Louise, I'd ask you just to shout out

[2:37:48] Voice 25: to the members of your board.

[2:37:50] Voice 25: I don't always remember the names of the appointed

[2:37:53] Voice 25: and I'm also thankful for Manager Kate Hemmings

[2:37:58] Voice 25: of the Alistair's Conservancy,

[2:38:00] Voice 25: her long-term commitment to the preservation

[2:38:04] Voice 25: and protection work of the Alistair's.

[2:38:05] Voice 25: Thank you, Kate.

[2:38:06] Voice 25: And so just a shout out to your members.

[2:38:09] Trustee Stamford: No, I'd like to note that Trustee Fenton

[2:38:15] Trustee Stamford: and Trustee Fast are active members of our board

[2:38:21] Trustee Stamford: and our appointed members still include

[2:38:24] Trustee Stamford: former CAO Linda Adams, who has created, has provided a valuable background.

[2:38:33] Trustee Stamford: I always do this.

[2:38:39] Trustee Stamford: We are short one appointed board member and Don Clark is also a director on the,

[2:38:48] Trustee Stamford: the appointed director on the board and brings a very unique perspective as he comes from the

[2:38:57] Trustee Stamford: Manitoba area and is a First Nations person with the experience and depth of knowledge from a

[2:39:06] Trustee Stamford: completely different part of Canada. So it's been very, very useful and really enjoy having

[2:39:13] Trustee Stamford: in this particular group of people all working together very

[2:39:20] Voice 25: good thank you very much i'm not

[2:39:22] Voice 25: seeing any questions um uh really proud of the work that the honest trust conservancy does and

[2:39:27] Voice 25: thank you for your leadership uh kate louise um let us move on now so that's all right with council

[2:39:34] Voice 25: we'll go to section 10 uh local planning services we have uh one consent agenda item before us

[2:39:42] Voice 25: which is the regional planning committee work program um so i'll just ask if if there's anybody

[2:39:47] Voice 25: that wishes to discuss that item otherwise i will uh uh suggest

[2:39:52] Voice 1: that the trust council

[2:39:53] Voice 25: adopt the recommendations in item 10.1.1 any body uh trustee colbert you wish to speak to 10.1.1

[2:40:04] Voice 25: 10

[2:40:05] Trustee Colbourne: .1 regional plan yes i would just like an explanation of which projects have been chosen

[2:40:09] Trustee Colbourne: in the rationale and whether or not um a process for that is going to be what's the process that

[2:40:15] Trustee Colbourne: that projects are chosen for this and and and um how can direction be provided okay

[2:40:22] Voice 25: thank you uh

[2:40:22] Voice 25: trustee or director sorry over to you sir yeah

[2:40:27] Voice 24: thank you um so the regional planning committee

[2:40:31] Voice 24: uh their projects are chosen through trust council's strategic plan um and i'm wondering

[2:40:38] Voice 24: if you were thinking about the regional planning team and we'll be talking about that at uh 10.2.2

[2:40:44] Voice 24: and i can give you more information there yes thank you

[2:40:48] Trustee Colbourne: that i apologize um that is that is

[2:40:50] Trustee Colbourne: what i was asking about okay

[2:40:52] Voice 24: thank you all

[2:40:53] Voice 25: right thank you then

[2:40:54] Trustee Colbourne: so then i'm going to

[2:40:55] Voice 25: take it then

[2:40:55] Voice 25: that trust council uh adopt the recommendations in item 10.1.1 the regional planning committee

[2:41:01] Voice 25: work program as presented by general consent. So we're going to move to 10.2. These are discussion

[2:41:11] Voice 25: items and decision items. And the first one, I'm sure that you've all read it with a great

[2:41:18] Voice 25: deal of interest. It's important work. But 10.2.1, Director of Local Planning Services Report. If you

[2:41:24] Voice 25: can give us a brief summary, David.

[2:41:26] Voice 24: Yeah, thank you. I'll keep it brief. And the items I've listed

[2:41:30] Voice 24: in there. I'm not going to go into those. The local planning services renewal is on again. So

[2:41:36] Voice 24: we'll talk about that there. I did just want to just give you an update, though, that our

[2:41:41] Voice 24: administrative staff are still continuing to feel like it's a lot of work and they're feeling

[2:41:47] Voice 24: overloaded. So we have put in place a few things to help alleviate that. So in the northern office,

[2:41:55] Voice 24: we have an as and when that will come in as needed.

[2:41:59] Voice 24: And in the southern office,

[2:42:01] Voice 24: we have now filled the bylaw enforcement

[2:42:04] Voice 24: administrative position.

[2:42:06] Voice 24: And that job description includes support

[2:42:09] Voice 24: for Victoria Reception

[2:42:12] Voice 24: and the Victoria Planning Administration.

[2:42:15] Voice 24: So that position starts on the 15th

[2:42:18] Voice 24: and that should help out quite well.

[2:42:20] Voice 24: But I just want you to be aware that,

[2:42:22] Voice 24: especially with Zoom meetings,

[2:42:23] Voice 24: that the administrative staff are feeling the pressure

[2:42:27] Voice 24: and we're doing what we can to accommodate that.

[2:42:32] Voice 24: And the other thing that's kind of just a bit of an update

[2:42:36] Voice 24: is that we are now seeing a significant increase

[2:42:39] Voice 24: in development applications and Salt Spring especially

[2:42:42] Voice 24: has had a huge increase over the last month or so.

[2:42:46] Voice 24: So we are expecting, you know, this is the time of year

[2:42:51] Voice 24: we tend to get those.

[2:42:52] Voice 24: and our planning technician who is working exclusively on referrals mainly building

[2:42:58] Voice 24: permit referrals he is now pretty well at capacity and we are working with him to

[2:43:05] Voice 24: keep moving forward with looking at how we can keep things streamlined and keep that working

[2:43:12] Voice 24: and then finally we have professional development days for the planning staff and the administrative

[2:43:20] Voice 24: staff. So the next one is planned for April 15 by Zoom. And we'll be doing this with the Vancouver

[2:43:26] Voice 24: Island University planning students and Bowen staff. And this time around, Vancouver Island

[2:43:32] Voice 24: University planning students will be developing the presentations and making the day work for us.

[2:43:41] Voice 24: So we're looking forward to that. I'll leave it at that in the interest of time, and I'll answer

[2:43:48] Voice 24: any questions if possible for the uh for the report thank you

[2:43:52] Voice 25: thank you david and remind you

[2:43:55] Voice 25: that we do have uh sections 10 the item from deb morrison rfd we have 10.222 planning services

[2:44:01] Voice 25: renewal question from trustee colburn already and 10.2.3 to follow here so any questions on

[2:44:08] Voice 25: the director's report at this time i see trustee alan i'm

[2:44:14] Trustee Allen: not sure whether this is the right time

[2:44:15] Trustee Allen: to address this um you know david we had this development permit application for me that went

[2:44:23] Trustee Allen: over on for over a year and we had a you know public consultation and we had the whole thing

[2:44:29] Trustee Allen: and it turned out and we it turned out that there was actually a covenant on it and neither the

[2:44:34] Trustee Allen: planner nor us trustees had any idea about it until just recently and it would have just saved

[2:44:41] Trustee Allen: so much time in fact a whole year of meetings etc and suffering for neighbors and on and i'm just

[2:44:49] Trustee Allen: wondering is there any in terms of applications is there any data based records or something

[2:44:57] Trustee Allen: have an application you can see all the historical history like the history that's redundant but the

[2:45:03] Trustee Allen: history on that particular application in front of get go yeah

[2:45:09] Voice 24: so through the chair um

[2:45:12] Voice 24: covenants are registered against title as an encumbrance and we do require that the applicant

[2:45:17] Voice 24: provide a copy of the title and we make sure to check for those encumbrances so i'm not sure what

[2:45:24] Voice 24: happened if you know there's something that people are not aware of and then as far as the history of

[2:45:31] Voice 24: the of the lot with respect to applications we keep track of that in our trust area property

[2:45:38] Voice 24: property information system it's a electronic system in-house that tracks all information

[2:45:44] Voice 24: for lots so that if that information includes applications but we also have all of the layers

[2:45:50] Voice 24: like the zoning um sensitive vehicle systems all of that in that system as well so yes we do have

[2:45:56] Voice 24: that information i probably talked to you offline about that particular one um there could be some

[2:46:01] Trustee Allen: nuance

[2:46:01] Voice 24: there that i'm not aware of

[2:46:03] Voice 25: yeah we know what we're talking

[2:46:05] Voice 24: about okay thank you david

[2:46:05] Trustee Allen: okay

[2:46:06] Voice 24: any

[2:46:07] Voice 25: uh general questions for the um director of local planning services regarding his report

[2:46:13] Voice 25: and trustee

[2:46:14] Voice 24: al i get you to lower your hand

[2:46:16] Voice 25: and i'm going to continue on then so it seems

[2:46:21] Voice 25: appropriate to me that at this juncture 10.2.2 the local planning services renewal status report

[2:46:28] Voice 25: that it would be worthy and trustee morrison if you agree um to uh bring back the rfd from

[2:46:35] Voice 25: from the previous council to position that

[2:46:41] Voice 25: before we go into the discussion

[2:46:43] Voice 25: on local planning services renewal and status.

[2:46:45] Voice 25: Is that Trustee Morrison?

[2:46:50] Trustee Morrison: Yes, I'm wondering if it makes sense

[2:46:52] Trustee Morrison: to have the report by Director Marlowe introduced first

[2:46:56] Trustee Morrison: and then I can put the most on the table immediately after.

[2:46:59] Trustee Morrison: I think that might be helpful.

[2:47:01] Voice 25: All right, if that's your preference

[2:47:04] Voice 25: then let's do it that way.

[2:47:06] Voice 25: So 10.2.2, the Local Planning Services Renewal Status Report.

[2:47:09] Voice 25: And Director Marler, back to you, sir.

[2:47:13] Voice 24: Thank you.

[2:47:14] Voice 24: I just want to check here.

[2:47:15] Voice 24: The CEO wanted to make any comments before I went into this,

[2:47:17] Voice 24: but I'm happy just to go straight into it otherwise.

[2:47:20] Voice 23: Yeah, David, why don't you do an initial review,

[2:47:22] Voice 23: and then I'll come in afterwards,

[2:47:24] Voice 23: and then Trustee Morrison will take the floor.

[2:47:28] Voice 25: And there is a question there generally on the report from Trustee Fulgham.

[2:47:33] Voice 24: Okay, thank you.

[2:47:34] Voice 24: Can I just take you quickly through the report?

[2:47:37] Voice 24: So this report is generally on the current status of the LPS renewal and it does attempt

[2:47:47] Voice 24: to respond to Trust Council's resolution from December where Council asked staff to

[2:47:57] Voice 24: kind of analyze the impact on current planning of the proposed motion by Trustee Morrison.

[2:48:07] Voice 24: And the analysts in this motion will be brought back to Trust Council in March for consideration.

[2:48:12] Voice 24: So what I've done here is the first piece, this is all on page 5, 6, 9 of the agenda.

[2:48:18] Voice 24: as indicated earlier that we do have a lot of applications and quite a lot of

[2:48:27] Voice 24: local trust committee meetings which take up a lot of the plan of time and right now that's about 10

[2:48:36] Voice 24: out of the 14 full-time equivalents is used up on not just current planning when it's a current

[2:48:43] Voice 24: planning not just applications but also all of the inquiries from the public or other agencies

[2:48:49] Voice 24: or anything that's not specific to an application as well as the applications themselves and then

[2:48:58] Voice 24: of course the running preparation and follow-up for local trust committee meetings which

[2:49:04] Voice 24: there's you know obviously there's quite a few of those so right now if we were to just say take

[2:49:11] Voice 24: take five planners and obviously we'd have to look at how do we reduce the workload in current

[2:49:18] Voice 24: planning so that we can get it down and do it with nine instead of 10. We also have 42 top

[2:49:27] Voice 24: priorities between the 13 local trust committees. And as many of those as being worked on as

[2:49:33] Voice 24: possible. There's also 102 projects waiting for resources to begin. These are projects that are

[2:49:40] Voice 24: listed on the local trust committee's projects pages and they provide an appendices to give you

[2:49:47] Voice 24: a little bit more of a rundown of the status of those projects and what they are so generally

[2:49:54] Voice 24: current planning what we've been doing over the last few months and what we plan to continue to do

[2:50:00] Voice 24: is review and improve efficiencies and application processing and also in administering local trust

[2:50:07] Voice 24: committee meetings and looking at how we handled inquiries so these are all the areas that take up

[2:50:13] Voice 24: a lot of time for the planners and we're looking at how can we make this more efficient and reduce

[2:50:19] Voice 24: the planner time and one of the things we've just started doing is obviously having one person

[2:50:25] Voice 24: doing all of the building permits for all of the islands for example and the other referrals and

[2:50:32] Voice 24: And that then allows us to create efficiencies.

[2:50:36] Voice 24: And we've been looking at the processes between all seven regional districts and trying to

[2:50:42] Voice 24: create a singleized, if that's a word, approach to doing that, a harmonized approach to doing

[2:50:49] Voice 24: that.

[2:50:50] Voice 24: And we're also looking at other areas in application processing.

[2:50:55] Voice 24: So Robert Kojima has a small team of planners working with him, and they're meeting on a

[2:51:01] Voice 24: a regular basis to look at each of these so development variance permits is the next one

[2:51:07] Voice 24: then development permits and we'll go through all the applications and look for how are we doing

[2:51:12] Voice 24: things and how can we make that more efficient. So on page 570 I just want to go into proactive

[2:51:21] Voice 24: planning so on November 1st we started the new regional planning team and out of necessity we

[2:51:30] Voice 24: obviously taking planners from the current work and putting them into a new area and working

[2:51:36] Voice 24: together, they have ongoing work, ongoing projects. So what we did as best as possible is identify

[2:51:44] Voice 24: those projects that would likely be considered to be regional through future policies or made

[2:51:52] Voice 24: made the most sense because of the scope for this particular team to do.

[2:51:57] Voice 24: So to answer Trustee Allen's question, the first part, like what we're doing right now,

[2:52:04] Voice 24: was really more of a necessity of transitioning to not have an abrupt change and something

[2:52:11] Voice 24: gets stopped and something else gets done.

[2:52:14] Voice 23: Trustee Colburn's question.

[2:52:17] Voice 24: Sorry, Trustee Colburn.

[2:52:19] Voice 24: Sorry about that.

[2:52:20] Voice 24: Thank you.

[2:52:23] Voice 24: Yeah, so that's how it got picked initially.

[2:52:27] Voice 24: Now, as we go down this route,

[2:52:31] Voice 24: the things that we've identified is,

[2:52:34] Voice 24: well, how do we decide which projects

[2:52:37] Voice 24: should have the priority,

[2:52:38] Voice 24: which projects should go ahead

[2:52:40] Voice 24: and which ones need to wait?

[2:52:42] Voice 24: Because we can't do everything.

[2:52:43] Voice 24: We can't do all 102 projects

[2:52:46] Voice 24: or all of the LCPs at the same time.

[2:52:50] Voice 24: So the Regional Planning Committee

[2:52:52] Voice 24: on the 17th is going to be having a workshop and we'll be going through these questions

[2:52:58] Voice 24: with the regional planning managers and myself and just having a bit of a blue sky think about

[2:53:05] Voice 24: you know what kinds of things could we do what should be some of the policy

[2:53:09] Voice 24: considerations is it geographic is it based on population is it based on need or some other

[2:53:20] Voice 24: protective requirement that we haven't identified yet and that then will hopefully lead to some

[2:53:27] Voice 24: policy that we can bring to trust council that will then help staff when making recommendations

[2:53:32] Voice 24: on project allocation and we intend to be as holistic as possible so look at you don't want

[2:53:42] Voice 24: it to be rigid you don't want it to be something this it has to be this way but also allow for

[2:53:47] Voice 24: for those projects that might not fit in this

[2:53:50] Voice 24: and give local trust committees some other avenues

[2:53:53] Voice 24: and understanding of the cost and how that would work.

[2:53:58] Voice 24: So that's where we're heading.

[2:54:00] Voice 24: And the intent is to create a generalized policy of council

[2:54:05] Voice 24: that council would adopt that will then help us

[2:54:08] Voice 24: to provide that criteria and allocate it.

[2:54:13] Voice 24: And part of this too is standardized bylaws and standards

[2:54:18] Voice 24: standardize processes right so that we're not doing a whole bunch of you're not reinventing

[2:54:23] Voice 24: the wheel every time we do a project for example and consideration too of how do we

[2:54:31] Voice 24: the timing so do we do this at the beginning of every year or at the beginning of the term

[2:54:36] Voice 24: does each trust committee identify what it would like to accomplish over the next four years

[2:54:44] Voice 24: and then we can program that through maybe the regional planning committee or council

[2:54:49] Voice 24: or the executive committee so that's kind of where we're heading and the intent is by the end of

[2:54:59] Voice 24: term so that we have the policies in place and that we have all of this operating so that by next

[2:55:05] Voice 24: term with the new term we can implement it like fully we're not transitioning anymore but we're

[2:55:12] Voice 24: rate ago. So on page 571, there's an indication of some of the concerns that we would have with

[2:55:27] Voice 24: going immediately to having five planners allocated to the proactive planning. So

[2:55:36] Voice 24: apologize for that. The first two are bullets and the second two are numbered, but they're

[2:55:40] Voice 24: actually intended to be bulleted all the way down so that kind of just lists some of the concerns

[2:55:44] Voice 24: which is um allowing us time to get the policy considerations in place um looking making sure

[2:55:54] Voice 24: that we're able to continue to process those applications and work with the nations and work

[2:55:59] Voice 24: with other agencies to run that and consider the stresses on staff of making changes fairly quickly.

[2:56:13] Voice 24: So as I said before, we are heading in that direction of having more than just three.

[2:56:20] Voice 24: I think we could accommodate five for sure, but we do need to seriously look at how we would process

[2:56:27] Voice 24: process applications and what are the priorities and how we would process projects before we're

[2:56:34] Voice 24: ready to do that. So I'll leave it at that and maybe CEO might want to share

[2:56:39] Voice 23: the commentary.

[2:56:40] Voice 23: Thank you. Thank you, David. I thank Trustee Morrison for her submission. It is sort of

[2:56:49] Voice 23: tacit engagement with the idea that's being presented and that is that we have to hive off

[2:56:54] Voice 23: off some space to get some long range work done.

[2:56:57] Voice 23: So I think we have that concept in common.

[2:57:00] Voice 23: And I think that she's going to now elaborate

[2:57:02] Voice 23: on another reason why she thinks she should be increasing

[2:57:05] Voice 23: that allocation.

[2:57:07] Voice 25: Somebody's microphone off please.

[2:57:09] Voice 25: I notice a few are on, thank you.

[2:57:11] Voice 23: So David covered a lot of ground,

[2:57:13] Voice 23: but I think if press you would say that at this time,

[2:57:16] Voice 23: we wouldn't recommend this increase.

[2:57:18] Voice 23: And I'll just give you in one minute, the reasons why.

[2:57:21] Voice 23: the

[2:57:22] Voice 1: first is we're

[2:57:23] Voice 23: staff are responding with a program to your concerns and we so if you haven't

[2:57:29] Voice 23: really voted to go do this um we have come up with a solution to dedicate time because we've

[2:57:37] Voice 23: heard from you you want your long-range projects done and we're going to try and keep solidify that

[2:57:43] Voice 23: that timing um there um but we don't know what the on the ground what the implications are going to

[2:57:52] Voice 23: be for that yet we're just we're just launching this we just heard that we've got more applications

[2:57:57] Voice 23: than we ever have so if we already have a level of dissatisfaction with the processing time

[2:58:02] Voice 23: we've got more applications and we're reducing the capacity to fulfill that

[2:58:07] Voice 23: that, and this request that we reduce that capacity even further, there's a chance you're

[2:58:14] Voice 23: going to hear from your constituents that we're not going through and doing the applications

[2:58:20] Voice 23: in a reasonable manner.

[2:58:23] Voice 23: So that's a challenge.

[2:58:24] Voice 23: We'd like some time to be able to figure out the development of this process.

[2:58:30] Voice 23: And of course, the second question is this.

[2:58:33] Voice 23: This is Trust Council sort of taking a position and administering it.

[2:58:38] Voice 23: meaning if events change it limits our ability to go well we have a lot more applications and we have

[2:58:45] Voice 23: to redirect staff in the summer we've run into situations where we would have people away on

[2:58:51] Voice 23: vacation and then people get sick and we need the ability to manage those people and to manage them

[2:58:57] Voice 23: across the islands trust to take someone from the north who's working on long-range projects

[2:59:01] Voice 23: and move them into specific projects for a little while and the challenge would be is if we had to

[2:59:08] Voice 23: do that we'd have to come back to trust council and ask you if that's okay um you probably don't

[2:59:12] Voice 23: want to be involved in that sort of day-to-day management i don't think um certainly um i i i

[2:59:19] Voice 23: hope that we end up with this number of people working on these long-range projects um once we

[2:59:24] Voice 23: have um the data that we need and we understand it better um and we'd get there in a in a year's

[2:59:32] Voice 23: time frame or something like that we'd all be able to sit and have this conversation and get

[2:59:35] Voice 23: your endorsement for this for this work and then david's last two pieces um we kind of we've we've

[2:59:40] Voice 23: mentioned this to you a few times and i know you're there's some uptake there but as we do

[2:59:45] Voice 23: this we do have to change our policies and have you start selecting the projects that you want

[2:59:51] Voice 23: to have that dedicated resource we've got 40 years of not having a

[2:59:55] Voice 23: process in place to do that it's good work that we're starting to think about

[3:00:00] Voice 23: about how we make those selections.

[3:00:01] Voice 23: You just don't have any guideposts now.

[3:00:04] Voice 23: We're gonna try and provide guideposts for you

[3:00:06] Voice 23: in the near future so you'll understand

[3:00:08] Voice 23: how to make those decisions the best way possible.

[3:00:12] Voice 23: That being said, there isn't a number one project

[3:00:14] Voice 23: across the field of the Islands Trust

[3:00:16] Voice 23: that doesn't have either some

[3:00:18] Voice 23: on the current planning team working on it

[3:00:20] Voice 23: or some of this dedicated long range team working on it.

[3:00:23] Voice 23: So projects are being worked on across the board.

[3:00:26] Voice 23: Thank you very much.

[3:00:27] Voice 23: And then I know now I'm sure Trustee Morrison would

[3:00:31] Voice 25: speak to her.

[3:00:33] Voice 23: All

[3:00:33] Voice 25: right. Thank you. I just want to, before I go to Trustee Morrison,

[3:00:36] Voice 25: Trustee Colburn, did your question get answered there, General Firm?

[3:00:41] Trustee Colbourne: It did. Maybe not on the timeframe I'm hoping for,

[3:00:46] Trustee Colbourne: but I'll try to slow myself down.

[3:00:48] Voice 25: Okay. Thank you. And I totally appreciate that remark.

[3:00:53] Voice 25: So Trustee Morrison, over to you for your RFD.

[3:00:58] Trustee Morrison: So I'm going to go ahead and put the motion on the floor and then I'll speak to it.

[3:01:02] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[3:01:03] Trustee Morrison: And Lori, I think you have the minorly updated version of it with a more timeline in there.

[3:01:08] Voice 25: We do.

[3:01:11] Trustee Morrison: Okay. And first, I apologize to everyone. I may have to stop. I had an anaphylactic attack last

[3:01:16] Trustee Morrison: night and I'm having some breathing trouble. So I just have to be a little bit not talking all the

[3:01:21] Trustee Morrison: the time so um that the trust council direct staff to allocate no later than june 20 oh sorry

[3:01:30] Trustee Morrison: that should be june 2021 five full-time equivalent fte planners towards proactive policy planning

[3:01:37] Trustee Morrison: shifting these ftes from current application planning work and to prepare draft amendments

[3:01:43] Trustee Morrison: that's the work to relevant trust council policies second from colburn i think

[3:01:53] Voice 25: Okay so moved by Trustee Morrison and we've got the motion up on the floor and so

[3:01:59] Voice 25: I think I heard Trustee Colburn had his hand up for seconding thank you and appreciate

[3:02:07] Voice 25: the notion of slowing down here a little bit and that's terrific so we have a motion on the floor

[3:02:16] Voice 25: And so I'll ask the speaker to the mover to speak to the motion.

[3:02:21] Trustee Morrison: Great. Thank you very much. So a couple of things I want to state to be true.

[3:02:26] Trustee Morrison: I'll just pull them out of the framework or the the RFP that was put up in December.

[3:02:33] Trustee Morrison: The Regional Planning Services has been implementing the review of staff assignments and going through that full implementation of that review since 2018.

[3:02:43] Trustee Morrison: 18. It's 2021. And the Regional Planning Committee has been engaged in a model fee

[3:02:52] Trustee Morrison: bylaw review for some time now. And I think Trustee Beshekin can clarify exactly how long

[3:02:57] Trustee Morrison: that's been. But it wasn't in time, that model fee bylaw was not in time to actually influence

[3:03:03] Trustee Morrison: this year's budget. In December last year, when I looked at the budget, and I was a little bit

[3:03:10] Trustee Morrison: bit more savvy about the trust, I realized that there were a number of challenges that we're

[3:03:16] Trustee Morrison: having around cost recovery. You've heard my like rants on cost recovery for the last year.

[3:03:23] Trustee Morrison: What is important to understand when we talk about cost recovery is that in 2018-19, we had $166,000

[3:03:33] Trustee Morrison: of fees, cost recovery kind of thing. In 2019-20, we had $102,000 roughly. In 2020-21, it was $132,000.

[3:03:45] Trustee Morrison: This is how much money we are getting in from application fees. You may be okay with that. This

[3:03:51] Trustee Morrison: is what this vote's about, all right? So because what I want to understand is, you know, we couldn't

[3:03:59] Trustee Morrison: get that all fixed this year. We're working on some model fee bylaw things. That's going to likely

[3:04:03] Trustee Morrison: come to us in June that'll be great that still will not influence this year's budget

[3:04:08] Trustee Morrison: and I understand that so instead of voting down the budget this morning which I was tempted to do

[3:04:15] Trustee Morrison: because there's not cost recovery in it instead I met with staff last year in November 4th when I

[3:04:22] Trustee Morrison: realized all these things and I put motions through last year multiple times in March in June

[3:04:27] Trustee Morrison: June. In September, there was some reporting. So realizing in September that we were not going to

[3:04:34] Trustee Morrison: get this model fee bylaw done at the timeline that we needed for the following budget, I met

[3:04:40] Trustee Morrison: with staff and talked with the CAO, with David Marler, and I believe it was Claire at that

[3:04:49] Trustee Morrison: meeting, sat down and had a conversation, well, sat down virtually, had a conversation about like,

[3:04:55] Trustee Morrison: like, this is my problem with where we're going. It's been clear. I've been transparent and clear

[3:05:00] Trustee Morrison: about this. So I need to understand. And so the issue that I'm sort of raging against is we have

[3:05:09] Trustee Morrison: a policy, 5.6.1, application processing fees that says we will recover, I think it's up to 80%.

[3:05:16] Trustee Morrison: I can't remember right now off the top of my

[3:05:19] Trustee Morrison: head. And so if we're supposed to cost recover that,

[3:05:25] Trustee Morrison: That's our own policy, and we're not doing that because I can tell you that it takes more than $132,000 last year to process application fees.

[3:05:35] Trustee Morrison: Then I need an alternative for this year of how we are going to ensure that trust-wide money is not used to pay for development.

[3:05:45] Trustee Morrison: And yes, it can be argued that some fees are actually for development, some fees are for protection.

[3:05:53] Trustee Morrison: but if you are doing something that requires a human alteration of the ecosystem, that is

[3:05:59] Trustee Morrison: development in some way, okay? So you should have to internalize those costs. This is not going to

[3:06:06] Trustee Morrison: be a politically wonderful issue for all of us on our islands. It's going to be difficult.

[3:06:11] Trustee Morrison: What I'm asking for is that because we can't get the cost recovery for application fees this year,

[3:06:17] Trustee Morrison: I'm asking for us to move more planning staff off applications and into general project wide

[3:06:25] Trustee Morrison: planning. Okay. And hopefully to the trusting Colbert's last comment, actually, just before I

[3:06:31] Trustee Morrison: started talking, hopefully this will accelerate the projects, which we need. We know we need

[3:06:37] Trustee Morrison: reconciliation. We know we need climate change actions. Let's, we have a strategic plan that

[3:06:43] Trustee Morrison: outlines those items let's move things okay i read the report um by director marler and i disagree

[3:06:51] Trustee Morrison: and i thank him for the preparation of the report um but i do believe that this is a political

[3:06:58] Trustee Morrison: decision for us to give some like firmer guidance about getting down to work and having a timeline

[3:07:03] Trustee Morrison: to do this i of course sympathize around the stress of staff which has been named but i do

[3:07:09] Trustee Morrison: feel like this is a reasonable request. We're actually very close to having it happen. I will

[3:07:14] Trustee Morrison: feel much more ethically in line with what we are doing if we have our resources allocated in this

[3:07:20] Trustee Morrison: way. So I'll pause there. Thank you.

[3:07:23] Voice 25: And thank you for your RFD and your presentation.

[3:07:28] Voice 25: So I see Trustee Coburn as the second there. And so open a speaker's list. I'll give Trustee

[3:07:35] Voice 25: Coburn the opportunity to speak as a secondary.

[3:07:40] Trustee Colbourne: Thank you and thank you Trustee Morrison for

[3:07:43] Trustee Colbourne: putting this forward and your perseverance and courage. I won't repeat a lot of what

[3:07:50] Trustee Colbourne: Trustee Morrison just said, I fully agree. I would like to just raise the issue of equity here,

[3:07:57] Trustee Colbourne: that the burden of applications um on on the organization um i i feel like it constantly

[3:08:06] Trustee Colbourne: gets in the way of um dealing with issues that as trustee morrison said we have official community

[3:08:15] Trustee Colbourne: plans in the legislative framework within which these applications are coming um do not allow

[3:08:22] Trustee Colbourne: the environmental protection do not allow the protection of cultural heritage sites this is

[3:08:26] Trustee Colbourne: work that's vital and operating on timelines that is more urgent than this report and this plan

[3:08:39] Trustee Colbourne: puts forward. If people are, have the, if people, institutions and corporations have the means,

[3:08:47] Trustee Colbourne: it's a pay to play standard right now. And that does not allow us to change the frameworks

[3:08:57] Trustee Colbourne: as we, for 2021 standards of care, the duty of care that we have for these islands from an

[3:09:04] Trustee Colbourne: environmental standpoint, from a cultural heritage point of view, and allowing community solutions

[3:09:11] Trustee Colbourne: that may have a lower cost in economic terms, and especially have a lower impact on the environment,

[3:09:17] Trustee Colbourne: less disturbance. Right now, they can't pay to play the game and the framework that we have in

[3:09:24] Trustee Colbourne: place. We need to move more quickly to change that framework.

[3:09:30] Voice 25: Thank you, Trustee Colburn. So

[3:09:32] Voice 25: my speaker's list now is Alan Rockefeller-Bushakin.

[3:09:38] Trustee Allen: Yes, thank you. Trustee Morrison, you'd mentioned

[3:09:41] Trustee Allen: about the cost of development applications slightly there. Is that going to be, maybe I

[3:09:46] Trustee Allen: should have talked to Director Morrow, I'm not sure, but is that going to be looked at in more

[3:09:51] Trustee Allen: detail? And, you know, from the response in the survey, everybody seems to say that, you know,

[3:09:57] Trustee Allen: concerned with how much we're charging for development applications and we should be

[3:10:00] Trustee Allen: charging way more in relation to other governments and municipalities etc and

[3:10:05] Trustee Allen: is that going to be touched on?

[3:10:08] Trustee Morrison: Well and that weaves across I think Trustee Allen I think that

[3:10:12] Trustee Morrison: weaves across the larger problem that I think Trustee Boucher can particularly speak to more

[3:10:17] Trustee Morrison: deeply but because we don't have that work finished yet we're in this in-between ground

[3:10:22] Trustee Morrison: So this is my compromise for this year to find this in-between ground and just move things a little faster.

[3:10:38] Voice 25: Trustee, thank you for that answer.

[3:10:40] Voice 25: Trustee Rockefeller?

[3:10:43] Voice 16: So I agree with everything that Deb Morrison and Trustee Colburn have said.

[3:10:48] Voice 16: And in the same regard, I also recognize that by just demanding staff to change to fit what we think is necessary is not going to necessarily fit in with the public or staff's abilities or perception.

[3:11:04] Voice 16: We also as local trust committees, when we work on applications and development applications, have the ability to make ensure that they follow our, you know, protective and sometimes very directive direction.

[3:11:22] Voice 16: So, by stopping development applications because we're behind on certain fee bylaws and stuff, I think it's going to cause frustration with the public and it's also our job to work on those.

[3:11:38] Voice 16: And I do really agree with every single thing that Trustee Morrison has said, but unfortunately I think I'll probably have to vote against it in support of staff and the community's right to have their applications looked at. Thanks.

[3:11:51] Voice 25: Okay, thank you. I've got Trustee Boushekin, Rodgers, Patrick, Johnston,

[3:11:57] Voice 25: McConkie, and I'd like to put my own name on the list. So please go ahead, Boushekin.

[3:12:02] Trustee Busheikin: Thanks. Yeah, this is, I mean, it's a great discussion and it's causing me to think really

[3:12:11] Trustee Busheikin: deeply as much of this Trust Council has done. I am reluctantly, but with determination,

[3:12:18] Trustee Busheikin: going to speak against the proposal.

[3:12:21] Trustee Busheikin: I very much share the goal of having more resources

[3:12:27] Trustee Busheikin: for proactive planning,

[3:12:31] Trustee Busheikin: for reviewing trust council policies

[3:12:34] Trustee Busheikin: and getting LTC projects moving.

[3:12:37] Trustee Busheikin: Although I don't know how much of that is encapsulated

[3:12:40] Trustee Busheikin: in the proposal, but there's a few things.

[3:12:44] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, I think we've heard from staff

[3:12:45] Trustee Busheikin: about the disruption to staff.

[3:12:47] Trustee Busheikin: And I think the reallocation would probably take months to get in place and sort out.

[3:12:54] Trustee Busheikin: And as a short-term bridging, which this is explained as, I don't think it's, it would

[3:13:02] Trustee Busheikin: take a lot of resources just to move the resources around.

[3:13:06] Trustee Busheikin: And, you know, the motion talks about preparing draft amendments to relevant trust council

[3:13:11] Trustee Busheikin: council policies, but in fact, a lot of those policies that need amendments may not even be

[3:13:17] Trustee Busheikin: within the realm of planners' competencies. So there's a lot of complexities that I think would

[3:13:22] Trustee Busheikin: take a lot of staff and a lot of management time away from just getting on with what we need to do.

[3:13:32] Trustee Busheikin: So I am concerned about that. The other thing is if the focus of proactive policy planning means

[3:13:38] Trustee Busheikin: LTC projects, there's actually no guarantee that LTC projects are in line with Trust Council's

[3:13:44] Trustee Busheikin: strategic plan that are specifically focused on what I think many of us see as our biggest goals

[3:13:51] Trustee Busheikin: and challenges, which are reconciliation and climate change. The LTC projects can be all over

[3:13:59] Trustee Busheikin: the place. So I think that's another just big question mark hanging over this. And the other

[3:14:05] Trustee Busheikin: thing is is um just the the uh the fact that that things are very different on different islands

[3:14:12] Trustee Busheikin: and some islands do not have a lot of applications or the applications are consistently

[3:14:18] Trustee Busheikin: things that are small scale or meeting uh defined community needs as defined in in official

[3:14:25] Trustee Busheikin: community plans and um you know in that case to stop working on them uh i think would be very

[3:14:34] Trustee Busheikin: action disruptive and not good, not just for the community, but some applications have a lot of

[3:14:40] Trustee Busheikin: environmental benefit or are spearheading something that is new. Like there was one on Denman

[3:14:49] Trustee Busheikin: that was really spearheading and pushing the envelope on rainwater catchment. And

[3:14:55] Trustee Busheikin: you know, I wouldn't want to put a hold on that. And I think individual LTCs can direct

[3:15:02] Trustee Busheikin: Correct. Planning resources for their LTC to work on projects rather than applications.

[3:15:10] Trustee Busheikin: And I guess inquiries also, but I think also pulling resources from inquiries is challenging.

[3:15:16] Trustee Busheikin: We talk a lot about let's get people to understand the trust and let's educate them about what the trust is and what they can and can't do on their property and why.

[3:15:24] Trustee Busheikin: And that's what the planner that's taking the inquiries is doing.

[3:15:29] Trustee Busheikin: And that is as apparently a lot of hours go into that.

[3:15:31] Trustee Busheikin: and I think that's frontline communication and outreach with community members. So although I

[3:15:38] Trustee Busheikin: love the goal here and I like the idea that we are moving towards that, I don't support this.

[3:15:45] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[3:15:47] Voice 25: Thank you. So Trustee Rogers, Patrick Johnson-McConkie and myself, over to you Trustee

[3:15:52] Voice 25: Rogers.

[3:15:55] Trustee Rogers: Thank you. I just want to speak a little bit about unintended consequences because I found

[3:16:01] Trustee Rogers: I found both particularly trustee Morrison's rationale

[3:16:06] Trustee Rogers: and her brief quite compelling.

[3:16:08] Trustee Rogers: And I agree with most of the goals,

[3:16:11] Trustee Rogers: but I think there are some unintended consequences.

[3:16:15] Trustee Rogers: And I'm also frustrated by the lack of,

[3:16:19] Trustee Rogers: or what might seem like a slow process

[3:16:23] Trustee Rogers: to get us to where we are.

[3:16:25] Trustee Rogers: And I'm sure the chair can talk extensively

[3:16:27] Trustee Rogers: about how long he has been waiting for a fee bylaw review.

[3:16:32] Trustee Rogers: But I want to just, what I've been thinking about is what kind of an impact could this have on the various islands that I'm exposed to?

[3:16:41] Trustee Rogers: And I think there are some unintended consequences because, for example, I'm going to use Galliano as an example.

[3:16:49] Trustee Rogers: It's very busy with applications, but they are not what I would consider to be, you know, private development applications.

[3:16:57] Trustee Rogers: They are, in a couple of cases, we have two affordable housing projects, which require an enormous amount of staff time to deal with.

[3:17:08] Trustee Rogers: And I think I would be really reluctant to say we can't do those things appropriately with the proper type of review and application of expertise and requirement and applying all of the issues that come with those.

[3:17:27] Trustee Rogers: And there's also some applications that are very complicated on Galliano, for example, to try and resolve a 40-year history of problems with the forestry lots on the island.

[3:17:40] Trustee Rogers: There's over 100 of them that are zoned, and there's been issues on that island forever.

[3:17:45] Trustee Rogers: And they require rezoning applications in order to resolve some of those issues.

[3:17:49] Trustee Rogers: And they're very complicated and involve a lot of community consultation, et cetera.

[3:17:54] Trustee Rogers: If that process is slowed down further, as it could be related to those, you know, the impetus to sort of resolve some of those long standing difficult community issues is going to be very problematic.

[3:18:13] Trustee Rogers: And so, you know, if there was some way we could say only these types of applications will be excluded from this, but that's not the proposal here.

[3:18:25] Trustee Rogers: The proposal is to shift some resources away from the current planning process.

[3:18:31] Trustee Rogers: And that has, in my view, unintended consequences that I find problematic.

[3:18:36] Trustee Rogers: So, yeah, thanks.

[3:18:39] Trustee Rogers: Thanks.

[3:18:40] Voice 25: Trustee Patrick Johnson, McConkie, myself, and Critchley.

[3:18:46] Trustee Patrick: This is a great conversation I have spent

[3:18:50] Trustee Patrick: and devoted a ton of my time to exactly

[3:18:52] Trustee Patrick: the frustrations expressed Trustee Morrison

[3:18:57] Trustee Patrick: and Trustee Colburn.

[3:19:01] Trustee Patrick: And I've come to recognize that the project charters

[3:19:06] Trustee Patrick: and the way we jump into some project charters

[3:19:09] Trustee Patrick: are some of some of the challenges that we're not taking that time to really set the objectives

[3:19:17] Trustee Patrick: clearly and the and the and the timing that that those need to be done and i'm finding that the

[3:19:23] Trustee Patrick: interactions of things um being able to find those interactions it does take a little bit more time

[3:19:31] Trustee Patrick: to get to them but those are where the power comes because i too i one i'm frustrated because

[3:19:37] Trustee Patrick: we have so much we need to do there's there's just all these things that need to be built and

[3:19:41] Trustee Patrick: fixed to to address where we are today the modern uh land use time and um um and it's like where do

[3:19:50] Trustee Patrick: you start and by by finding and we you know the coastal douglas fir overlapped with the watersheds

[3:19:57] Trustee Patrick: and was like okay that narrowed it down now we take okay what are we doing in those watersheds

[3:20:01] Trustee Patrick: and what's the work that needs to be focused first

[3:20:04] Trustee Patrick: and has the biggest effect.

[3:20:07] Trustee Patrick: So there's two paths of getting there.

[3:20:10] Trustee Patrick: Yes, you can throw more people at it,

[3:20:12] Trustee Patrick: but it's really taking the time to do the project charters

[3:20:16] Trustee Patrick: and get the clarity of what it is that we need to do,

[3:20:19] Trustee Patrick: how staff align and resource those projects.

[3:20:22] Trustee Patrick: I think that belongs on them to make that decision

[3:20:26] Trustee Patrick: of whether they put staff or consultants

[3:20:28] Trustee Patrick: or what they need to do to achieve the work

[3:20:31] Trustee Patrick: that has to be done so I'm going to be voting against this because I think we

[3:20:38] Trustee Patrick: need to improve the way we do our project charters I'm

[3:20:42] Trustee Morrison: chair may I take a

[3:20:43] Trustee Morrison: moment to clarify a couple points certainly

[3:20:47] Voice 25: a

[3:20:48] Trustee Morrison: couple clarifications first

[3:20:51] Trustee Morrison: this motion in no way is asking for stopping of permitting that's just not

[3:20:56] Trustee Morrison: what it's asking for it's asking for a reallocation at this point I think it's

[3:21:00] Trustee Morrison: one to two additional staff members what's already been moved um this is also not asking for work

[3:21:07] Trustee Morrison: even though i i mentioned it as a bridging it's not temporary moves these are people that would

[3:21:11] Trustee Morrison: be moved permanently because they're already in the plan to be moved it's just moving them faster

[3:21:18] Trustee Morrison: into that area and again the um so it's not stopping permitting it's not um temporarily

[3:21:26] Trustee Morrison: moving people it's just using the funding that we currently have in our budget actually for

[3:21:35] Trustee Morrison: trust-wide work instead of more for permitting work which I feel should be paid for by development

[3:21:41] Trustee Morrison: all of the things that you that many of you have said around the current about how we prioritize

[3:21:48] Trustee Morrison: which permits get done or not totally understand that that's in local control it's already in our

[3:21:54] Trustee Morrison: current policy um in in our um local work plans that we have for which applications we're taking

[3:22:00] Trustee Morrison: on and in our local fee processing bylaws about if we want to exclude something from a fee structure

[3:22:06] Trustee Morrison: so all of that's already in our control all

[3:22:12] Voice 25: right thank you uh for trustee johnson mcconkey myself

[3:22:17] Voice 25: and critchley and we are at noon so let's uh try and i'd love to wrap up this lpc so let's keep

[3:22:25] Voice 25: I come

[3:22:28] Voice 15: from an area with very few applications. In fact, a considerable amount of our bylaw

[3:22:34] Voice 15: complaints are about lack of applications. I'm also having trouble seeing what five

[3:22:40] Voice 15: planners will do and how they will work on prepared draft amendments to relevant

[3:22:49] Voice 15: trust council policies. I don't know which ones are relevant. Presumably, at least the

[3:22:55] Voice 15: the cost recovery and this is too much getting into management I don't think trust council has

[3:23:04] Voice 15: should properly get into management of planners we can express priorities we

[3:23:12] Voice 15: and the executive committee presumably could do this but to say let's allocate these people to

[3:23:20] Voice 15: to do this particular job, which is to,

[3:23:23] Voice 15: I understand the frustration.

[3:23:25] Voice 15: I also would like to have a discussion

[3:23:29] Voice 15: of this principle of cost recovery.

[3:23:32] Voice 15: The people on our island that do development

[3:23:34] Voice 15: and would do applications are citizens

[3:23:37] Voice 15: and that people have lived here in residence.

[3:23:40] Voice 15: Some of them are landowners that haven't lived here

[3:23:42] Voice 15: and a good proportion are new landowners,

[3:23:44] Voice 15: but they're not what we commonly think of as developers.

[3:23:48] Voice 15: of hers that's it thank you thank you trustee johnson

[3:23:51] Voice 25: trustee mcconkie myself and critchley

[3:23:54] Voice 25: so

[3:23:55] Voice 27: i must live in a different universe on north pender here because i totally support trustee

[3:24:00] Voice 27: morrison's motion and i congratulate her on speaking sensibly my experience with being a

[3:24:06] Voice 27: trustee is the following a week before the meeting i get a big application big package mainly focused

[3:24:13] Voice 27: focused on applications. Those applications are presented as almost a done deal, meaning that the

[3:24:20] Voice 27: alternatives that I'm given in the staff report are like, you better come up with some legal

[3:24:25] Voice 27: representation. So let's take a half acre lot on Magic Lake that we had a DPA or a DP rather on

[3:24:32] Voice 27: Magic Lake that happened our last meeting. What ended up happening was a giant staff report,

[3:24:36] Voice 27: giant biology report on this half acre lot. And down the road, two minutes there is a clear cut

[3:24:41] Voice 27: cut 10 acres, and a whole bunch of soil that's been moved around. And the land is just a barren

[3:24:50] Voice 27: clear cut. And I encourage trustees to come down to Bedwell Harbor and check it out. So then I say,

[3:24:54] Voice 27: hey, we should do something about that. What is the reply from our regional planning manager?

[3:24:59] Voice 27: We don't have enough staff resources to deal with this. We only have three projects to deal with

[3:25:04] Voice 27: this. And you're currently trying to do a water study, an SDBR study, and sorry, we don't have

[3:25:08] Voice 27: have enough time and I go well why do we have enough time but we're spending a lot of time

[3:25:12] Voice 27: on applications why are we spending a bunch of time on applications when it's a done deal I often

[3:25:17] Voice 27: say at these meetings what is the point of me as a trustee why am I here making this decision this

[3:25:23] Voice 27: could be easily uh done in a checklist form check check check check a couple boxes and your dp is

[3:25:29] Voice 27: approved right so I I don't understand why given the climate change emergency that we've declared

[3:25:37] Voice 27: right? We're still stuck in the 1990s. It's time to make changes, everyone. It's time to do things

[3:25:45] Voice 27: differently. And I respect Trustee Morrison's attempt to try and restructure the planning

[3:25:50] Voice 27: services so that we can actually get stuff done. Thank you.

[3:25:54] Voice 25: Thank you, Trustee McConkie.

[3:25:57] Voice 25: So I have my own name on the speakers at the moment, and then Chrisley and Middleton will

[3:26:03] Voice 25: fallout um you know there's we had a lot of conversation in the last couple days around

[3:26:08] Voice 25: the policy statement and you know i can't help but reflect that one of the questions that has

[3:26:13] Voice 25: come up historically is um their directives and that although we are certainly and i am just so

[3:26:21] Voice 25: incredibly grateful that somebody is strong and and some somebody so thoughtful and thinking out

[3:26:27] Voice 25: out of the box and coming forward with this concept

[3:26:30] Voice 25: to council is liberating for me

[3:26:34] Voice 25: because as Trustee Rogers has said,

[3:26:36] Voice 25: I tried championing the application speed process

[3:26:42] Voice 25: for many years with resoundingly no support from council.

[3:26:49] Voice 25: I am so pleased that this council has chosen

[3:26:53] Voice 25: to take that situation on.

[3:26:56] Voice 25: It is before the Local Planning Committee, and that work is forthcoming.

[3:27:02] Voice 25: But I'll remind everybody here that those guidelines, those recommendations to LCTCs

[3:27:10] Voice 25: with respect to fees, where quite honestly, there continues to be resistance for fees,

[3:27:16] Voice 25: even though the increment that we're talking about is small.

[3:27:20] Voice 25: It's not as comprehensive as it needs to be.

[3:27:22] Voice 25: there is still resistance in this talk about well I think we're not going to implement those

[3:27:28] Voice 25: and so

[3:27:28] Voice 1: it comes down to

[3:27:29] Voice 25: LTC's implementing those or it comes down to council deciding that

[3:27:34] Voice 25: that needs to be a directive that these are no longer guidelines but that it's a directive and

[3:27:39] Voice 25: I'm just I'm being very political there but the other thing that immediately I mean you know I

[3:27:44] Voice 25: think this is a brilliant out-of-the-box thought however I'm struggling with two things and I'm

[3:27:50] Voice 25: I love analogies. You probably got that figured out. Everybody better have their seatbelts buckled because all of the applications that are in process right now, and Trustee McConkie has nailed it on the head that the first part of your agenda is half a dozen different applications and different things.

[3:28:09] Voice 25: the bus is going to come to a stop in June when those resources are going to be moved to somewhere

[3:28:14] Voice 25: else and all of those applications the length of time it's going to take to get to the table is

[3:28:19] Voice 25: going to significantly change and I'm going to we're all going to hear about it and not that

[3:28:25] Voice 25: not that we shouldn't be have tough skins we've got a preserve and protect mandate we should be

[3:28:31] Voice 25: doing the right thing I agree with in principle everything that has been said and somehow we

[3:28:37] Voice 25: We absolutely need to get that cost recovery up to a level that absolutely makes sense.

[3:28:43] Voice 25: And we need to get over the discussions and the arguments about why development should be done and supported and paid for by every single citizen in the Islands Trust area, as opposed to the people that are benefiting from it.

[3:28:57] Voice 25: So my fundamental question here is, and I'm going to ask CEO Hudson-Piller this question, what's our ability to implement this?

[3:29:06] Voice 25: like how could you do justice to this resolution because i'm struggling with the idea that if

[3:29:18] Voice 25: council makes this decision and you are unable to fulfill it that obviously becomes a challenge for

[3:29:23] Voice 25: you and your staff um well

[3:29:27] Voice 23: i don't know um this is trust council managing the staff and i haven't

[3:29:35] Voice 23: run into that before so um on the ground on a Tuesday when we have to make a decision around

[3:29:42] Voice 23: who's working on what um I um I'm gonna have to I guess continue to manage the organization

[3:29:51] Voice 23: um and the and the the and Dave is going to have to manage the the planning function but it's this

[3:30:00] Voice 23: it's the start of you assisting us in allocating and managing staff

[3:30:04] Voice 23: resources.

[3:30:06] Voice 23: And I don't know how to address that really on a,

[3:30:11] Voice 23: on a practical level. I mean, we're going in the right,

[3:30:14] Voice 23: we're going in this direction.

[3:30:16] Voice 23: The organization's going in this direction right now,

[3:30:19] Voice 23: and it's trying to hive this off,

[3:30:21] Voice 23: but there's this now an added complication of as you learn to do it,

[3:30:25] Voice 23: do it way quicker. You know,

[3:30:27] Voice 23: I suggest you just raise all your fees 20% in each of your bylaws,

[3:30:33] Voice 23: and maybe that would be a more direct way of doing this

[3:30:37] Voice 23: instead of sort of doing it in an around-the-way fashion.

[3:30:42] Voice 23: So I don't have an obvious answer, and I have to figure out

[3:30:47] Voice 23: who do I refer decisions to around where planners are being allocated

[3:30:57] Voice 23: as we move forward.

[3:30:58] Voice 23: So I don't have an easy answer to that.

[3:31:02] Trustee Morrison: And if I can

[3:31:03] Trustee Morrison: add to that as well.

[3:31:07] Voice 25: Go ahead, please.

[3:31:09] Trustee Morrison: So just to be clear, this motion isn't out of the blue.

[3:31:14] Trustee Morrison: This motion has been in conversation with CEO Hudson-Peller and with David Marler.

[3:31:20] Trustee Morrison: And so the idea of five planners was not my idea originally.

[3:31:25] Trustee Morrison: It was the idea that that was actually something that was already in the process with the bylaw review or the, sorry, the land use planning, the reorganization of staff.

[3:31:38] Trustee Morrison: And it was a suggestion on how to ensure that, like, the challenge that I'm facing, the broad challenge that I'm faced with is that, you know, there is money that we are paying.

[3:31:50] Trustee Morrison: We as elected officials are responsible for that money. I have no desire to manage staff in the future. That's why I think of this as a temporary gap issue in terms of management. There's no desire that I have to do that.

[3:32:04] Trustee Morrison: this is us politically saying that we want money moved toward the sort of um the last piece of

[3:32:12] Trustee Morrison: there is about the draft amendments to relevant trust policies that's the tps like that's getting

[3:32:18] Trustee Morrison: all that stuff that we're working in in the trust policy statement actually in a model bylaws at

[3:32:23] Trustee Morrison: some level that we can actually get them implemented and done so it's actually just

[3:32:29] Trustee Morrison: you know, using planners well to do that.

[3:32:32] Trustee Morrison: And a lot of that is in project work,

[3:32:33] Trustee Morrison: but not all of it necessarily.

[3:32:36] Voice 25: Okay, thank you, Trustee Morrison.

[3:32:38] Voice 25: I'm not going to make a motion, but I can't help but think,

[3:32:41] Voice 25: I wonder if there's an amendment,

[3:32:43] Voice 25: but that might achieve some flexibility here,

[3:32:47] Voice 25: but let's go to Trustee Critchley,

[3:32:49] Voice 25: Middleton, Longer, Rice and Wright.

[3:32:53] Trustee Critchley: Thank you, I just, we'll start with an observation

[3:32:56] Trustee Critchley: that I see this as being a somewhat radical solution

[3:33:00] Trustee Critchley: solution born of extreme frustration over a prolonged period of time. And so it's quite

[3:33:06] Trustee Critchley: understandable. And being somewhat radical doesn't mean that it's necessarily wrong or

[3:33:10] Trustee Critchley: improvident. It may be necessary to kickstart change. However, I have a couple of questions

[3:33:18] Trustee Critchley: of Director Marler with regard to contract planners. I had recently correspondence from

[3:33:26] Trustee Critchley: from a person who is intending to bring an application

[3:33:28] Trustee Critchley: on Denman Island for affordable housing,

[3:33:32] Trustee Critchley: and had been given a time estimate of the length

[3:33:34] Trustee Critchley: that it would take to process that application.

[3:33:38] Trustee Critchley: And it was stated to be 18 months,

[3:33:40] Trustee Critchley: which if my experience is correct,

[3:33:44] Trustee Critchley: that's an extremely optimistic prognosis on that application

[3:33:49] Trustee Critchley: because others that I've seen have lingered for four years

[3:33:52] Trustee Critchley: um you know and created a certain amount of indignation in the community so what had been

[3:34:01] Trustee Critchley: offered then to this applicant or this prospective applicant because the application hasn't actually

[3:34:07] Trustee Critchley: been lodged yet uh was to the idea of hiring a contract planner who could work on it and uh

[3:34:15] Trustee Critchley: and and move it forward much quicker so i would like to know what is the policy

[3:34:20] Trustee Critchley: What are the parameters for use of contract planners? What does that cost to an applicant? And is that something that is an alternative that's available for somebody who wants an application to go forward despite the lack of staff to work with it?

[3:34:40] Trustee Critchley: Or alternatively, could contract planners be hired for the purpose of moving forward this policy planning sorts of projects?

[3:34:53] Trustee Critchley: So that's what I'd like to hear more information on. Thank you.

[3:34:58] Voice 24: Sure. And through the chair, Trust Council's extraordinary cost recovery policy is what governs the use of contract planners.

[3:35:09] Voice 24: and every fee by law has the provision in there that a landowner that wishes to expedite

[3:35:18] Voice 24: a application could enter into a cost recovery agreement with the islands trust to hire a

[3:35:25] Voice 24: contract planner so the way that works is the contract planner works for the islands trust but

[3:35:30] Voice 24: it's paid through the islands trust by the landowner and the agreement is clear that the

[3:35:37] Voice 24: contract planner is working for the islands trust not the not the applicant so and we this has

[3:35:45] Voice 24: happened on salt spring island we've used this this approach has happened before and on a few

[3:35:52] Voice 24: other islands as well it is expensive because consultants normally charge i think right now

[3:36:00] Voice 24: it's about 150 dollars an hour and we would have to obviously have some understanding of

[3:36:07] Voice 24: how much time and then a an agreement with the landowner that they will pay us essentially

[3:36:14] Voice 24: so we can pay the invoices through them so that's that and then with respect to projects

[3:36:20] Voice 24: we can use contract consultants for projects as well and we actually have done that so some of

[3:36:29] Voice 24: the budget going forward to support the strategic plan includes dollars to hire a consultant to

[3:36:36] Voice 24: come in and do some work so that's happened with the housing and shoreline on

[3:36:45] Voice 24: with the regional planning committee this term those were two small contracts of nine thousand

[3:36:52] Voice 24: dollars each to provide a report to the regional planning committee does that answer your question

[3:37:02] Trustee Critchley: Yeah, I think that goes a long way. I'm wondering in terms of budget, I know that there is certain amount of, I was going to say redundancy, I don't know if that's the right word, but built into budgeting that you have a sort of a fund that's available for extraordinary circumstances.

[3:37:18] Trustee Critchley: And I'm just wondering if there is any money within the system, within the current budgeting, that would permit the hiring of one or two contract planners for a period of time to get some of this policy work done?

[3:37:34] Voice 24: No. So the budget was developed based on specific projects.

[3:37:40] Voice 24: So the business cases would identify where we'd be hiring contractors or consultants.

[3:37:45] Voice 24: so the dollars are all actually allocated that way so for projects it's all there the only

[3:37:52] Voice 24: additional dollars available is $17,000 to regional planning committee to support taking

[3:37:59] Voice 24: on official community plans and that was really just because we don't really know quite what the

[3:38:06] Voice 24: regional planning committee will be doing in that area but wanted to have some funds available to

[3:38:11] Voice 24: support getting started on some of those so that that has not been allocated so that's really the

[3:38:17] Voice 24: only dollars available for that thank

[3:38:20] Voice 25: you thank you so i've got it's a quarter past it was gone

[3:38:25] Voice 25: quarter past 12 i've got middleton along the horizon right i will i will either want to call

[3:38:31] Voice 25: the question after right or i will take a motion to call the question to determine the interest of

[3:38:37] Voice 25: council in calling our question so let's go to trustee middleton thank

[3:38:44] Trustee Middleton: you chair um i um

[3:38:47] Trustee Middleton: apologize for fidgeting around so much my new ergonomic office chair

[3:38:51] Trustee Middleton: is not allowing me to slouch and causing severe back pain is

[3:38:55] Voice 25: that part of the motion

[3:38:58] Voice 25: no

[3:38:59] Trustee Middleton: that that's just some human interest to keep us you know motivated as we go along here but um

[3:39:05] Trustee Middleton: But I think those of you who know me from this council know that I only ever say things that are deeply sane and rooted in powerful reason.

[3:39:14] Trustee Middleton: And so my support of this motion may seem as a shock because it is a roll of the dice.

[3:39:20] Trustee Middleton: There's no question.

[3:39:22] Trustee Middleton: It's basically taking us to a place where there is no roadmap.

[3:39:26] Trustee Middleton: It's affecting change.

[3:39:27] Trustee Middleton: So it is obviously uncomfortable for our CEO, for staff, for planners.

[3:39:31] Trustee Middleton: But the greatest resource of this organization is, of course, the people.

[3:39:34] Trustee Middleton: And the professional skills are largely embodied in that of professional planners.

[3:39:41] Trustee Middleton: And I think it's only ourselves and the way the organization is structured, perhaps through local government, perhaps through an inherited mandate, that doesn't really matter.

[3:39:52] Trustee Middleton: That means we're only using the skill set rigidly within the area of community planning.

[3:39:59] Trustee Middleton: And I think individuals who have the competence to have received a professional designation

[3:40:05] Trustee Middleton: have a skill set that can be broadened.

[3:40:07] Trustee Middleton: And I think that's what Trustee Morrison's motion says is, you know, we're going into

[3:40:12] Trustee Middleton: new terrain here with the reconciliation declaration, with the climate change declaration.

[3:40:17] Trustee Middleton: Our staff can rise to that challenge, but we're going to have to allow them to get outside

[3:40:23] Trustee Middleton: the box and color differently, color outside the lines.

[3:40:25] Trustee Middleton: And so to a degree, this is a roll of the dice where we're doing some crash repurposing.

[3:40:32] Trustee Middleton: It's not comfortable as an administrator.

[3:40:36] Trustee Middleton: Trustee

[3:40:37] Voice 25: Middleton, on the motion, please.

[3:40:38] Voice 25: I can't help but think you're straying a little bit here.

[3:40:42] Trustee Middleton: No, I'm not straying, actually, Chair.

[3:40:45] Trustee Middleton: What I'm doing is speaking, I think, to what perhaps we're not seeing in the motion,

[3:40:49] Trustee Middleton: the vision and the opportunity that the motion that Trustee Morrison has put forward

[3:40:55] Trustee Middleton: it's not just a simple mechanistic administrative adjustment it's a profound change i fully

[3:41:02] Trustee Middleton: support it i hope everybody else does all

[3:41:05] Voice 25: right well thank you very much um longer ice and right

[3:41:09] Voice 25: and i will call the question not seeing any other hands come up okay

[3:41:12] Voice 3: yeah thank you i'm in support

[3:41:15] Voice 3: of this motion i mean i feel for what's happening for staff i mean they may be feeling pressure as

[3:41:21] Voice 3: well with the number of applications and projects that are there part of the blame to all this lies

[3:41:27] Voice 3: upon the local trust committees as well you know there's been talk as has been said this fee bylaw

[3:41:33] Voice 3: issue has been going on for years years ago or at some point they could have just come up with

[3:41:40] Voice 3: a study how much does it actually cost just give the figures to the local trust committee and say

[3:41:46] Voice 3: say, here's what it's costing you to do these applications,

[3:41:50] Voice 3: deal with it.

[3:41:52] Voice 3: And they should have adjusted the bylaws then.

[3:41:56] Voice 3: So it's-

[3:41:56] Voice 3: Sorry?

[3:41:59] Voice 3: That has been done.

[3:42:01] Voice 3: It has been done.

[3:42:03] Voice 3: We know what the average cost is of a rezoning.

[3:42:07] Voice 3: We have a guess.

[3:42:09] Voice 3: Anyway, I think there's a problem there.

[3:42:11] Voice 3: I think that sometimes our processes as well,

[3:42:14] Voice 3: you know the committee structure how long does it take to come up with a model fee bylaw I think

[3:42:21] Voice 3: that's a lengthy process as well and we need to look at the process so I think it's time for some

[3:42:26] Voice 3: sort of radical change as well just let's do it differently let's not have business as usual so

[3:42:32] Voice 3: I support the motion thank

[3:42:35] Voice 25: you trustee Wright and I did suggest to Wilberton that I was going to

[3:42:39] Voice 25: call the question so I'll let you reflect on that and if you have something really that can't

[3:42:45] Voice 25: be unsaid then I'm inclined to hear you so trustee right I

[3:42:51] Voice 4: have well

[3:42:55] Voice 25: the internet has cut you off

[3:42:57] Voice 25: trustee right yeah

[3:42:58] Voice 4: my internet is really sketchy so first off I want to say I support the motion

[3:43:04] Voice 4: secondly if there's nothing wrong with each LTC I'm passing a standing resolution not to accept

[3:43:11] Voice 4: any more applications other than those that benefit the community at large I'm going to

[3:43:16] Voice 4: and leave it at that because I'm going to lose you.

[3:43:18] Voice 25: Thank you.

[3:43:19] Voice 4: Trustee Wolverton,

[3:43:20] Voice 25: did you have the last word?

[3:43:23] Voice 18: I appreciate what Trustee Rogers was saying about Galliano.

[3:43:29] Voice 18: This is a map of Galliano's forest lands.

[3:43:32] Voice 18: This is, we have a huge amount of work to do

[3:43:36] Voice 18: in bringing those lands into compliance.

[3:43:39] Voice 18: And so I'm speaking against the motion.

[3:43:43] Voice 18: I think lots of good comments have been made.

[3:43:44] Voice 18: I think that we, the staff, need a little bit longer.

[3:43:49] Voice 18: I think June is too short a timeline.

[3:43:51] Voice 18: And also, I mean, I don't think we need to be stepping in to manage staff.

[3:43:56] Voice 18: We need to give them the priorities and listen to what they have said about how it can be

[3:44:02] Voice 18: achieved.

[3:44:04] Voice 25: Thank you, Trustee Wolverton.

[3:44:06] Voice 25: CAO Hudson-Piller, and then I will call.

[3:44:08] Voice 23: So just for clarity, the idea here was David Marler's idea, and that is to create.

[3:44:16] Voice 23: So the fundamental concept here is not this new radical idea.

[3:44:22] Voice 23: This is David Marler's idea to try and address your concerns.

[3:44:28] Voice 23: I think the question on the table is degree.

[3:44:30] Voice 23: I agree. So we've suggested 3 to 3.5, and the consideration on the table is just to make that more. I just want to make that clear that this has been a year of working to put us in this position, or a year and a half. So it's just a matter of degree. It's not a matter of content.

[3:44:51] Voice 23: This is not fundamental in that consideration.

[3:44:54] Voice 23: This has been an idea that's being presented to you now

[3:44:56] Voice 23: probably eight times over the last year and a half.

[3:45:00] Voice 23: So just so we're sure about the start of this whole thing

[3:45:04] Voice 23: and where we're trying to-

[3:45:04] Trustee Morrison: Thanks very much for that, Russ,

[3:45:06] Trustee Morrison: because I do want to echo that,

[3:45:08] Trustee Morrison: that this is actually staff thinking and design

[3:45:10] Trustee Morrison: that has got us to this point.

[3:45:12] Trustee Morrison: So thank you.

[3:45:12] Voice 25: Thank you for that, Trustee Morrison.

[3:45:14] Voice 25: So I'm going to call the vote.

[3:45:16] Voice 25: All those in favor, please raise your hand.

[3:45:21] Voice 25: of the motion on the floor in favor of the motion on the floor and any hands on the screen i see

[3:45:30] Voice 25: trustee thorne thank you i got you trustee thorne in favor and i see uh nine votes on the screen

[3:45:41] Voice 25: in favor so that makes for ten in favor and i'll ask you to lower your hands and please now raise

[3:45:52] Voice 25: Raise your hands if you're opposed.

[3:45:57] Voice 25: And on the screen, I see one hand Trustee Dodds,

[3:46:00] Voice 25: I see 11 and including myself would be 12 in the room.

[3:46:07] Voice 25: And so that fails.

[3:46:10] Voice 25: Council, I want to thank you

[3:46:11] Voice 25: for your deeply committed discussion here.

[3:46:17] Voice 25: I want to ask you how much more committed you are

[3:46:22] Voice 25: and ask you, can we consider the bylaw of compliance

[3:46:25] Voice 25: and enforcement status report briefing.

[3:46:28] Voice 25: Before we go to lunch,

[3:46:30] Voice 25: I don't imagine there's a lot of questions.

[3:46:33] Voice 25: Anybody seriously object?

[3:46:36] Voice 25: I'm not seeing any serious objection.

[3:46:38] Voice 25: I see a bunch of hands up still over there

[3:46:40] Voice 25: that could go away.

[3:46:42] Voice 25: And I think I want to go to 11.2.3

[3:46:47] Voice 25: in order to conclude this section

[3:46:49] Voice 25: so we can come back to more of a sane agenda

[3:46:52] Voice 25: after our lunch, which is going to be abbreviated

[3:46:55] Voice 25: Just to be a warning there.

[3:46:58] Voice 25: Bailout Compliance and Enforcement Statistics report briefing on the table.

[3:47:04] Voice 25: Is that David Mahler that's going to give me three sentences on this one?

[3:47:09] Voice 25: And then we'll ask if there's questions.

[3:47:11] Voice 25: I think that's the best way to approach it.

[3:47:13] Voice 24: I shall ask Warren.

[3:47:14] Voice 24: He wrote the report.

[3:47:15] Voice 24: That's okay?

[3:47:16] Voice 24: Through the chair?

[3:47:17] Voice 25: Absolutely, yeah.

[3:47:18] Voice 25: So Warren Dingman, thank you for your work.

[3:47:21] Voice 25: Sorry to make your opportunity brief.

[3:47:23] Voice 25: did

[3:47:24] Voice 1: you say three set three sentences chair can you do that uh well here's the what i would just

[3:47:31] Voice 1: like to stress with this report is what i've tried to convey is here's the volume of files that we

[3:47:36] Voice 1: have here's what we're accomplishing here's what we're dealing with i would literally like to

[3:47:42] Voice 1: stress that

[3:47:43] Voice 13: with

[3:47:44] Voice 1: the 400 plus open files in the end uh we've only had to issue fines or violation

[3:47:52] Voice 1: notices for 24 of those files and even with the issuance of those fines we still have 10

[3:47:59] Voice 1: compliance agreements achieved so we're achieving an awful lot of work through cooperative

[3:48:05] Voice 1: conversations and getting voluntary compliance and the other point i would like to make with

[3:48:12] Voice 1: the briefing is just some of the success we've had around the seawall and the gambier local trust

[3:48:16] Voice 1: trust area and that, you know, the enforcement can achieve some good things.

[3:48:24] Voice 1: And I believe the pitchers speak for themselves and I'll take any questions,

[3:48:29] Voice 1: chair.

[3:48:33] Voice 25: By the enforcement office manager,

[3:48:36] Voice 25: thank you very much for helping me get through my agenda here.

[3:48:40] Voice 25: And I just got to say, I totally appreciate the work,

[3:48:43] Voice 25: 400 files on that man's test to administer with the two people you have presently um any questions

[3:48:52] Voice 25: let's go look for a show of hands that keeps disappearing on me so look at that no hands

[3:48:57] Voice 25: people are hungry so and on the screen no hands so warren dingman continue on with your good work

[3:49:05] Voice 25: thank you very much and i i know that you would be happy to talk to individuals about

[3:49:11] Voice 25: local enforcement issues and i thank you for your attention on fetus island i appreciate that

[3:49:17] Voice 25: all right then let us go let us conclude uh this morning session let us go for lunch and trustees

[3:49:23] Voice 25: i want to ask you to return for one o'clock and i apologize for that

[3:49:27] Voice 25: but i also hold my commitment to keep us on schedule as much as i can um by doing so

[3:49:34] Voice 25: and trustee rockefeller welcome back thank you for your service in your community

[4:16:35] Voice 14: Hello, Peter.

[4:16:37] Trustee Grove: How are you, Peter?

[4:16:38] Trustee Grove: We're going to have all the Peters on the top row.

[4:16:42] Trustee Grove: Look at that.

[4:16:43] Voice 15: Are you seeing us on the top row?

[4:16:45] Voice 15: I see you at the bottom row.

[4:16:48] Trustee Grove: Isn't that weird?

[4:16:48] Voice 15: The program changing his

[4:16:49] Voice 15: name to Peter?

[4:16:50] Voice 25: Say hi.

[4:16:51] Trustee Grove: Yeah.

[4:16:52] Trustee Grove: But, sorry, Peter Johnson, are you really on the bottom?

[4:16:55] Voice 15: No, I'm on the – well, on my picture, I'm on the top.

[4:16:58] Trustee Grove: Yes.

[4:16:58] Trustee Grove: You're top left, and then it comes me in the middle,

[4:17:01] Trustee Grove: and Chair Luckham on the right, and Laura Patrick's just coming halfway down.

[4:17:06] Trustee Grove: Yeah. So what

[4:17:07] Trustee Stamford: do you think?

[4:17:07] Voice 15: You're all on the bottom for me.

[4:17:10] Trustee Grove: It's

[4:17:10] Voice 15: different. You're on the on the fourth row down for me.

[4:17:16] Trustee Grove: It's kind of like being in Australia. Yeah.

[4:17:20] Voice 15: There are people more in Australia than you.

[4:18:41] Voice 25: Welcome back, trustee. Lovely to see your smiling faces.

[4:18:46] Voice 25: And I see looking at my own self-image there.

[4:18:51] Voice 25: i forgot to put my mask on and i wear the mask uh because it's important to me to protect the

[4:19:01] Voice 25: staff that are in the buildings i don't want to catch anything that they've got

[4:19:12] Voice 25: anyway uh welcome back everybody from your lunch thank you for returning on time um and this of

[4:19:19] Voice 25: course for the audience at home is the honest trust council meeting of uh march the 10th 11th

[4:19:26] Voice 25: today um which is our budget council and we've done the bulk of the work uh towards that today

[4:19:33] Voice 25: the budget was approved earlier this morning and we're now into the remaining portion of our agenda

[4:19:39] Voice 25: for day three i want to acknowledge that indeed a beautiful day in coast salish territory um

[4:19:48] Voice 25: depicted in the pictures around me here today it's lovely um this rich historic place of the

[4:19:54] Voice 25: coast salish people it's an honor to be here um thank you to everybody i meant to say earlier on

[4:20:05] Voice 25: actually with respect to the disposition of delegations i have seen two uh this kind of

[4:20:10] Voice 25: a notice of motion i guess i've seen two uh suggestions for motions from uh trustee patrick

[4:20:18] Voice 25: with respect to the rodenticide

[4:20:22] Voice 25: and the organic services proposal.

[4:20:29] Voice 25: And so those will be coming to us.

[4:20:32] Voice 25: If there's anything else,

[4:20:34] Voice 25: ideally you might have spoken with staff

[4:20:36] Voice 25: about some wording

[4:20:37] Voice 25: rather than trying to do it on the fly.

[4:20:39] Voice 25: And I thank Trustee Patrick

[4:20:40] Voice 25: for giving us the advance notice there.

[4:20:42] Voice 25: So we'll address those when we get there.

[4:20:45] Voice 25: I think what we hinted about earlier on

[4:20:47] Voice 25: in my email to you and the CAO has mentioned is

[4:20:53] Voice 25: we've got a sort of an impromptu meeting

[4:20:55] Voice 25: with members of the executive committee and the minister

[4:20:58] Voice 25: to speak to specifically our request

[4:21:03] Voice 25: around authorities equal to or similar

[4:21:07] Voice 25: to that of municipalities.

[4:21:09] Voice 25: And there's a lot of questions in that.

[4:21:12] Voice 25: And we don't necessarily have all the answers,

[4:21:15] Voice 25: But we want to represent you and your interest in that as best as we can as a first stage conversation to engage the province in a deeper conversation.

[4:21:27] Voice 25: And so, indeed, there may be work on our side and more consideration on the part of the province to determine whether or not they want to consider it,

[4:21:35] Voice 25: how it would work within the framework of the work that they're already undertaking for us,

[4:21:40] Voice 25: of which i got to say i'm incredibly grateful for the legislative uh changes that we've asked

[4:21:45] Voice 25: for at this time that are it looks like we're maybe back on track with getting those scheduled

[4:21:51] Voice 25: um in 2022 is it russ or later yeah 22

[4:21:57] Voice 25: yeah the fall of 22. thank you

[4:22:00] Voice 25: so that's how long this all

[4:22:01] Voice 25: takes which is why i get anxious sometimes about getting some of these things done because we only

[4:22:08] Voice 25: we control a part of it so anyway the trustee round table conversations before us we have been

[4:22:16] Voice 25: trying to keep this as flexible and open as possible for conversation and um so i'm going

[4:22:21] Voice 25: to give everybody two minutes to uh to speak to things that are happening in their area if you

[4:22:26] Voice 25: wish but we would also like information to inform what you think a tree cutting authority looks like

[4:22:34] Voice 25: to you so that we can capture that and represent that in a meaningful way uh you know the easiest

[4:22:42] Voice 25: thing for me to do here in terms of order is just to go through the alphabetical list that i have

[4:22:49] Voice 25: but just to mix it up i'm going to start at the bottom and work my way up rather than going from

[4:22:54] Voice 25: the top bottom because maybe i did it differently on the previous occasion and thank you peter

[4:23:01] Voice 25: say again thank you chair thank

[4:23:03] Trustee Allen: you chair from double a okay i

[4:23:07] Voice 25: love that photograph uh

[4:23:09] Voice 25: trustee allen and that's probably why i favored you at this point and i'm going to put

[4:23:14] Voice 25: what is designated as trustee number 26 here as steve wright on south pender island uh tell me

[4:23:21] Voice 25: about tree cutting or whatever else is on your mind and i'm going to run a timer and just ask

[4:23:26] Voice 25: you to keep trying keep the two minutes as best you can go ahead steve uh

[4:23:31] Trustee Patrick: chair uh trustee wright

[4:23:33] Trustee Patrick: is uh having connectivity issues he's not

[4:23:36] Voice 25: online at this time oh thank you so no steve wright so

[4:23:40] Voice 25: we'll try and pick him up along the line so then

[4:23:42] Voice 25: now that uh leaves the honor to jane wolverton

[4:23:45] Voice 25: gabriela island did

[4:23:48] Voice 18: you say gabriola or galiano yeah

[4:23:51] Trustee Rogers: she said gabriel man

[4:23:52] Voice 25: two demerit points for

[4:23:55] Voice 25: the beautiful galeana island which when i walk to the east side of fetus island i look over at

[4:24:02] Voice 25: and i'm often scuba diving in your vicinity and um thank you very much uh for you and your

[4:24:09] Voice 25: community for your lovely island and first and the coast salish peoples that have been resident

[4:24:13] Voice 25: on foliar pass there since the beginning of time over to you trustee wolverton yes

[4:24:18] Voice 18: and also an

[4:24:19] Voice 18: active pass um uh i just wanted to say that um you know as i've said before certainly the tourism is

[4:24:28] Voice 18: affecting us and but we are looking forward to our whole island uh vaccination and we don't have a

[4:24:34] Voice 18: date yet but i mean that's uh i think people are feeling quite um excited about that but in the in

[4:24:41] Voice 18: forestry um i'm just going to show you this the the red the red uh lots on this are pmfl

[4:24:48] Voice 18: and the gray lots are F1 lands.

[4:24:51] Voice 18: So you can see a lot of Galliano is covered by forest policies,

[4:24:58] Voice 18: whether it's the PMFL or our own forest policies.

[4:25:01] Voice 18: And with the PMFL lands, there are, I can't really say how many,

[4:25:10] Voice 18: but there are very few PMFL lands that are actually actively practicing

[4:25:18] Voice 18: practicing forestry in the sense of restoring or thinning or or any of those kinds of things but

[4:25:25] Voice 18: they are nonetheless designated pmfl there are some that however that have been severely clear

[4:25:34] Voice 18: cut and we have no say in how those lands are managed so that's that's been a it has been

[4:25:43] Voice 18: been an ongoing as you or as uh trustee rogers pointed out has been ongoing for quite a few years

[4:25:50] Voice 18: um we are now getting um people coming forward some of the four slot owners who do want to rezone

[4:25:58] Voice 18: and uh i think the demographics are changing a little bit on the island where we're getting some

[4:26:05] Voice 18: new owners some younger people so i'm hopeful um that we can we'll be able to conclude some

[4:26:13] Voice 18: some rezonings before the end of this term.

[4:26:18] Voice 18: But, you know, it is a challenge and, you know,

[4:26:22] Voice 18: we've had this, the court cases ongoing

[4:26:24] Voice 18: and, but I am hopeful that we will get some of this done.

[4:26:31] Voice 18: Thank you.

[4:26:32] Voice 25: Thank you, Trustee Wilberton.

[4:26:36] Voice 25: Trustee Thorne, I don't think I see you on the screen here.

[4:26:42] Voice 25: are trustee thorne are you on the phone no okay so i'm gonna skip that i'll come back to you later

[4:26:49] Voice 25: if you show up kate louise stanford thank

[4:26:52] Trustee Stamford: you um just a quick update from gambier uh still looking

[4:26:59] Trustee Stamford: for provincial response to our our new brighton dock uh issue um it's very complicated but we

[4:27:08] Trustee Stamford: We keep working on that.

[4:27:10] Trustee Stamford: So that's not going away.

[4:27:13] Trustee Stamford: We are also, partly because of the way our jobs are on this island area,

[4:27:22] Trustee Stamford: I am looking into getting a COVID vaccine clinic going on our island and also Keats.

[4:27:32] Trustee Stamford: So we're hoping to get more information about that next week.

[4:27:35] Trustee Stamford: As far as tree cutting bylaws, that is really appropriate right now. The community is quite

[4:27:43] Trustee Stamford: concerned about a Crownland woodlot lease that is cutting into the headwaters of a watershed

[4:27:51] Trustee Stamford: that feeds a community here on Gambier. Crownland, obviously we don't have the

[4:27:57] Trustee Stamford: the authority over that we do on private land. Gambier also has a DPA that covers the whole

[4:28:06] Trustee Stamford: island on sensitive ecosystems, including any kind of water. Therefore, that was all designed

[4:28:16] Trustee Stamford: to try and prevent overall cutting is one of the many options that it can cover. But I would think

[4:28:24] Trustee Stamford: that looking at specific trees might be a way of us preserving some of our our bigger um trees

[4:28:32] Trustee Stamford: and in the process maybe supporting the environment the ecosystem under them so that

[4:28:37] Trustee Stamford: would be something i possibly would look at i'm not sure how the community would view that kind of

[4:28:44] Trustee Stamford: um bylaw given that um gambier is so still heavily wooded um it's often hard to explain to people

[4:28:53] Trustee Stamford: how important these things are until they're already gone.

[4:28:56] Trustee Stamford: So that would be the aspect I would look at

[4:28:59] Trustee Stamford: for tree cutting bylaws.

[4:29:02] Voice 25: Thank you very much, Trustee Stamford.

[4:29:06] Voice 25: So Trustee Grant, have you managed to return?

[4:29:10] Voice 25: No.

[4:29:11] Voice 25: Trustee Rogers.

[4:29:16] Trustee Rogers: I thought there was a rule

[4:29:17] Trustee Rogers: about two Gambier trustees going together,

[4:29:20] Trustee Rogers: but I'll go next.

[4:29:21] Trustee Rogers: next um um i i i want to pitch the the trustees you probably haven't had a chance to see we got

[4:29:30] Trustee Rogers: a report on executive committee about tree cutting and what it what it can and can't do

[4:29:34] Trustee Rogers: uh it's on our executive committee um package from monday and uh you might it's about three

[4:29:41] Trustee Rogers: pages but effectively it says um it it says we can't even without authority we can't do anything

[4:29:49] Trustee Rogers: about PMFLs, we can't do anything about roadways or Crown or provincially owned land.

[4:29:55] Trustee Rogers: So, but it might give us some more flexibility.

[4:30:00] Trustee Rogers: than just development permits so have a look at that and if you have any ideas because i'm going

[4:30:04] Trustee Rogers: to the meeting with the minister on monday on thursday with the chair and i think the cao

[4:30:10] Trustee Rogers: please email us about what you think the context of of what we should be asking or how we what we

[4:30:17] Trustee Rogers: should be asking for um and how it would explain that um i'll just say quickly around our local

[4:30:23] Trustee Rogers: trust please email to me or to any of the three of us um that would be great um so uh around our

[4:30:33] Trustee Rogers: area just two things i wanted to flag um one is i we talked about it a fair amount is but there is

[4:30:40] Trustee Rogers: there continues to be work by the um biosphere group in in house on alcatraz and we had a what's

[4:30:48] Trustee Rogers: It's called a cumulative effects update because the province is using that area as a pilot area for doing a cumulative effects workshop.

[4:31:01] Trustee Rogers: And apparently, at least the province is happy enough with what that means and what it looks like.

[4:31:08] Trustee Rogers: It's mostly about putting out baseline data on a number of very specific issues that they think they're going to try and utilize that same methods elsewhere.

[4:31:18] Trustee Rogers: so you might want some information about that that's quite interesting. I'm also very pleased

[4:31:25] Trustee Rogers: to advise that the Peak Valley Conservation Group has been reinstated reinvigorated and working and

[4:31:32] Trustee Rogers: that was a big big gap on our island and it's now up and running and connecting with

[4:31:40] Trustee Rogers: groups like the Islands Trust Conservancy etc. That's my update thank you.

[4:31:52] Voice 14: Mayor Mrakas, Okay, thank

[4:31:52] Voice 25: you trustee Rogers.

[4:31:55] Voice 25: Mayor Mrakas, trustee Rockefeller galliano island.

[4:32:00] Voice 16: Thanks um so we have had on our northern PM FL for us to lots a significant amount of tree cutting taking place in the last six months and without the ability to regulate that from a trust perspective, it is really.

[4:32:14] Voice 16: a lot of islanders are unhappy so in regards to the tree cutting dpa we also we have that on

[4:32:21] Voice 16: galliano so you can only cut i think a 12 by 12 square meter area but from my understanding it's

[4:32:29] Voice 16: uh maybe not enforceable due to a previous court case or something anyways so i'm i i really

[4:32:38] Voice 16: welcome more tree cutting dpas as the community does but i'm a bit confused about that anyway

[4:32:43] Voice 16: Anyway, that's my update, thanks.

[4:32:45] Voice 16: Thank

[4:32:49] Voice 25: you, Trustee Rockefeller.

[4:32:52] Voice 25: Trustee Tim Peterson, Liskety Honored.

[4:32:58] Voice 21: Thank you, Chair.

[4:33:00] Voice 21: We're still working on our OCP on Liskety

[4:33:05] Voice 21: and based on the public feedback,

[4:33:09] Voice 21: it appears that the feral sheep

[4:33:13] Voice 21: sheep are the most controversial portion of our OCP. We've had a wonderful work done by our

[4:33:21] Voice 21: local community association in preparation for this project. But the sheep seem to be the

[4:33:29] Voice 21: only big issue, which I assume means we've done a good job on everything else.

[4:33:36] Voice 21: I did get a notification this week that Laskiti is in the area that's proposed for

[4:33:43] Voice 21: for whole island vaccination program

[4:33:45] Voice 21: for the COVID-19 vaccinations.

[4:33:48] Voice 21: So I expect we'll hear more about that in the coming weeks.

[4:33:51] Voice 21: I noticed a number of other islands in the trust

[4:33:55] Voice 21: are also proposed to be included in that program,

[4:33:59] Voice 21: which kind of makes a certain amount of sense

[4:34:01] Voice 21: to try and instead of a more piecemeal approach

[4:34:05] Voice 21: for our small communities,

[4:34:06] Voice 21: do something a little bit more strategic.

[4:34:11] Voice 21: We recently received notification that Flynn Road has offered a couple of crown lots on the island, some 300 plus hectares for First Nation woodlot licenses.

[4:34:29] Voice 21: And there is certainly some concern in the community about a lack of meaningful collaborative dialogue with the local community from Flynn Road and Crown Land.

[4:34:40] Voice 21: But we're, I think, trying to keep an open mind and see how this all plays out, that nothing's confirmed yet.

[4:34:50] Voice 21: But as I'm sure most people can understand, there's always some concern with the process and the timing of information.

[4:34:59] Voice 21: and other than that we have a what looks like a potential scam development operating on the

[4:35:12] Voice 21: island that's definitely got some tongues wagging and brought to the fore some concern about what

[4:35:21] Voice 21: the future of some of the larger Lots on the island might look like and what the community

[4:35:27] Voice 21: community can do to assert some meaningful influence

[4:35:33] Voice 21: and control over those larger lots

[4:35:36] Voice 21: and the disposition of them in the near future.

[4:35:39] Voice 21: So that's it for me.

[4:35:43] Voice 25: Thank you.

[4:35:44] Voice 25: Trustee Patrick, Salt Spring Island.

[4:35:48] Trustee Patrick: For once Salt Springs wishing it was a little tiny island

[4:35:51] Trustee Patrick: like the others because we don't qualify

[4:35:53] Trustee Patrick: for the vaccination program for the whole island.

[4:35:58] Trustee Patrick: oh man no it's terrible on the uh on the tree cutting um just uh just so you know just just

[4:36:06] Trustee Patrick: on salt spring initiating conversation on coastal douglas fir protection we've had a a markedly

[4:36:12] Trustee Patrick: increase in applications for timber marks uh as uh as they had commented so there's been more um

[4:36:20] Trustee Patrick: tree cutting occurring I look at it as another tool in the toolbox and that we have different

[4:36:29] Trustee Patrick: form we we do have neighborhoods that are more like your like like North Saanich or something

[4:36:34] Trustee Patrick: where we have denser you know smaller neighborhoods so there's particular tree cutting issues related

[4:36:40] Trustee Patrick: to those small neighborhoods versus a larger issue so that would be need to be a community

[4:36:47] Trustee Patrick: community conversation on what that those would look like but I think to me it would be a range of

[4:36:51] Trustee Patrick: of approaches I'm excited and so we have several intertwined interrelated projects that are also

[4:36:59] Trustee Patrick: designed to work in cooperation with our community developed climate action plan and community

[4:37:05] Trustee Patrick: developed area farm plans and that is we have the coastal Douglas fir watershed protection housing

[4:37:11] Trustee Patrick: housing in Ganges Village all kicking off now and they're all designed to kind of be intertwined and

[4:37:17] Trustee Patrick: also to to share and work collaboratively with the other local trust committees so I'm excited

[4:37:24] Trustee Patrick: about this work as it starts to unfold now and hopefully bring many of you into that discussion

[4:37:32] Trustee Patrick: so thanks.

[4:37:34] Voice 25: Thank you Trustee Patrick. Trustee Deb Morrison North Pender Island.

[4:37:41] Trustee Morrison: So I sent a photo

[4:37:43] Trustee Morrison: to Lori that I think speaks a thousand words at least so if she can share that that would be

[4:37:48] Trustee Morrison: helpful and while she's getting that up I'll just share that we have on Pender challenges now

[4:37:57] Trustee Morrison: know because we have people flying private helicopters into their own properties which

[4:38:04] Trustee Morrison: are surrounded by uh you know just beautiful nature and like how disruptive can that be

[4:38:13] Trustee Morrison: but let's talk about trees because trees has been a big issue on north pender for a long time

[4:38:18] Trustee Morrison: this is a lot that was cut pretty much boundary to boundary um and it's not a private forest

[4:38:28] Trustee Morrison: managed lot it's literally just a private lot and we couldn't do anything on this lot for the

[4:38:36] Trustee Morrison: the effort that we have in because we can't dictate trees or no trees or whatever and even

[4:38:41] Trustee Morrison: our dpas right now like trees can only be specified in very specific cases and they

[4:38:46] Trustee Morrison: skirted the rules

[4:38:47] Trustee Morrison: on this one so i my concern is this is not the only lot on panda that looks like

[4:38:53] Trustee Morrison: this um and we are i i feel that we are sort of the next salt spring the next galliano in the

[4:38:59] Trustee Morrison: waves of pressure in the islands and this is the future we're all looking forward so think carefully

[4:39:04] Trustee Morrison: when you decide not to place the environment as a priority thank you okay

[4:39:13] Voice 25: thank you uh deb um

[4:39:16] Voice 25: Lee Middleton.

[4:39:21] Trustee Middleton: Thank you, Chair.

[4:39:23] Trustee Middleton: Yeah, likewise, a great appreciation

[4:39:25] Trustee Middleton: to Islands Health's enlightened policy

[4:39:28] Trustee Middleton: of early inoculation for communities,

[4:39:32] Trustee Middleton: less than 4,000 people.

[4:39:34] Trustee Middleton: Saturna is, I think, pretty well every island

[4:39:36] Trustee Middleton: in the Salish Sea is on the list.

[4:39:38] Trustee Middleton: So that's rolling out apparently before April 12th.

[4:39:42] Trustee Middleton: So that's really great news.

[4:39:45] Trustee Middleton: The sort of ongoing issue is impacted by COVID has been the whale watching fleet barely in

[4:39:53] Trustee Middleton: existence last year because of COVID restrictions.

[4:39:57] Trustee Middleton: But what we're looking toward is to see what has Washington state been able to do in regard

[4:40:04] Trustee Middleton: regulating, shall we say, the whale watching fleet and is it possible for us to harmonize

[4:40:11] Trustee Middleton: beneficially with with what they have uh what they have done um and then finally in regards forestry

[4:40:17] Trustee Middleton: i think you know i'm not thought a huge amount about this i think but generally

[4:40:24] Trustee Middleton: what we would desire here is in essence the promotion of sustainable forestry practices

[4:40:29] Trustee Middleton: for those larger lock holders uh restriction on ideally the restriction on clear cuts of anything

[4:40:36] Trustee Middleton: anything over a hectare. I've been reading recently that now it's very much in question

[4:40:43] Trustee Middleton: as to whether burned over areas in California, Washington, Oregon, and Alberta, and to some

[4:40:50] Trustee Middleton: degree BC, will regenerate given climate shift. And so here we have an example, the South

[4:40:57] Trustee Middleton: Sakeham Reserve lands were almost completely clear cut two years ago. And it doesn't look

[4:41:04] Trustee Middleton: like there's all that much regeneration activity to me that's uh and so what we want to be cautious

[4:41:09] Trustee Middleton: of is that we don't create an environment where the forest can't regenerate or where there's not

[4:41:14] Trustee Middleton: sustainable in essence management of ongoing forestry operation not that we have tree farm

[4:41:21] Trustee Middleton: licenses here as we we used to 20 20 plus years ago but uh there is a there's a couple privately

[4:41:27] Trustee Middleton: managed forest lots and then this significantly treat areas still so i think that would be

[4:41:32] Trustee Middleton: out of interest what does sustainable forestry have to say and can be promoted by the trust

[4:41:38] Trustee Middleton: or perhaps legislated by by the trust um and explore that so thank you thank

[4:41:47] Voice 25: you trustee

[4:41:48] Voice 25: middleton um now trustee mcconkie i don't believe i have seen you no trustee mcconkie so trustee

[4:41:57] Voice 25: maude you're next main island Massachusetts

[4:42:05] Trustee Maude: main island is a changing community um a few years ago

[4:42:09] Trustee Maude: the chair might recall we actually were quite afraid that our school was going to change because

[4:42:13] Trustee Maude: we were running out of kids um last month we actually had to do a tup for a daycare because

[4:42:20] Trustee Maude: our small daycare had run out of room and needed more space um in anticipation of building actually

[4:42:25] Trustee Maude: a larger daycare at the community center so we're changing and i think that merges over to the

[4:42:31] Trustee Maude: free cutting uh discussion because um as trustee dodge has said many times there's no appetite in

[4:42:38] Trustee Maude: in our community for tree cutting bylaws.

[4:42:42] Trustee Maude: And I think it's probably time for us

[4:42:45] Trustee Maude: to open that discussion because we're changing

[4:42:49] Trustee Maude: and I'm not sure where we're sitting.

[4:42:53] Trustee Maude: I personally believe that certain species

[4:42:56] Trustee Maude: such as Arbutus need to be protected.

[4:42:59] Trustee Maude: I too have heard that there's no appetite

[4:43:02] Trustee Maude: for overreaching tree cutting bylaws,

[4:43:06] Trustee Maude: But I think it's probably time for us to open up a consultation period, maybe trust-wide, maybe just Main Island, but I'm not really clear where our community sits on that discussion. Thank you.

[4:43:20] Voice 25: Thank you, Trustee Maher.

[4:43:24] Voice 25: Trustee Longerice.

[4:43:26] Voice 3: yeah uh from gabriela i'm happy to report that we were one of the islands for the covid

[4:43:33] Voice 3: even though we do exceed the 4000 threshold i don't know why we were blessed but we were

[4:43:39] Voice 3: anyway so that's good it'll be happening by the end of the months uh in terms of tree cutting

[4:43:45] Voice 3: i mean my focus is not so much on um avoiding tree cutting so much as limiting it and prevent

[4:43:54] Voice 3: I mean, clear cuts, obviously, is something that we need to stop happening.

[4:44:00] Voice 3: And I think we do have some tools already through DPAs and lot coverage and setbacks

[4:44:06] Voice 3: in that we do have some capacity, you know, to do that now.

[4:44:10] Voice 3: And I think using the Coastal Douglas fir toolkit as well.

[4:44:15] Voice 3: I mean, there are ways there.

[4:44:16] Voice 3: So I think we do have some tools in terms of forestry, PMFL, of course.

[4:44:22] Voice 3: Yeah, that's a legislative issue.

[4:44:24] Voice 3: tree cutting under the municipal act i'm not sure i looked at some bylaws uh for some places on tree

[4:44:31] Voice 3: cutting and they seem to be focusing on individual trees you know types of trees uh apparently i

[4:44:38] Voice 3: don't know i can't recall if i saw something about a lot you know extent of uh tree cutting

[4:44:44] Voice 3: on a on a lot or not so i'm not clear on that but i think it's if it's a tool that we can use

[4:44:50] Voice 3: to some limited degree i think i think it's worthwhile pursuing uh the big tree one is

[4:44:58] Voice 3: i struggle with that one i think of what's it called uh lonely doug you know we protect the

[4:45:04] Voice 3: big tree and chop everything else around it and we look at an isolation to what's around it i mean

[4:45:11] Voice 3: it's the ecological system and the big tree is one component of it not just uh you know not the only

[4:45:18] Voice 3: component there's all the trees around it and as that report I read a while ago trees communicate

[4:45:23] Voice 3: with each other through the rut structure you know they actually have an interconnection and I found

[4:45:29] Voice 3: that fascinating you know that I never thought about that although I do recognize that at times

[4:45:34] Voice 3: you cut down a tree and the stump doesn't die it keeps you know it doesn't grow but it doesn't die

[4:45:40] Voice 3: because of that interconnection with the nearby trees.

[4:45:44] Voice 3: So I certainly support it.

[4:45:48] Voice 3: I'm not certain about the tree-cutting municipal approach or not.

[4:45:53] Voice 3: I'd want to look at it some more.

[4:45:58] Voice 3: For the island itself, I think there's support for tree-cutting,

[4:46:03] Voice 3: tree-limiting, tree-cutting-limiting.

[4:46:07] Voice 3: It's a mixed support.

[4:46:09] Voice 3: I think it depends on the tenor of the people coming to the island, you know, what's their

[4:46:14] Voice 3: viewpoint, you know, do they, and I appreciate, we do some movement around education of people

[4:46:22] Voice 3: as to what the ecology is all about, you know, how people fit within the ecology and how

[4:46:27] Voice 3: it's, the land supports them as well as, so they need to look at their relationship with

[4:46:33] Voice 3: the land.

[4:46:34] Voice 3: So I think I'll leave it at that.

[4:46:37] Voice 3: Thanks.

[4:46:40] Voice 25: Thank you.

[4:46:41] Voice 25: Trustee Longerice. Trustee Michael Cale, Bowen Island.

[4:46:46] Voice 7: Thank you, Chair. I could just report on a couple of things.

[4:46:51] Voice 7: Thanks to the generosity of about 30% of our households here on Bowen,

[4:46:57] Voice 7: the health centre looking to raise $5.5 million looks like beginning its progress into certainty.

[4:47:05] Voice 7: and that was only announced I think the day before yesterday and that for us is a pretty

[4:47:12] Voice 7: a major achievement because we haven't really had our own purpose-built health center on Bowen

[4:47:19] Voice 7: Island and looks of it's well on its way and the capital for that has been raised privately

[4:47:26] Voice 7: so you can imagine that that is a major achievement amongst the buildings that we

[4:47:33] Voice 7: have under construction here at the moment also our cross island road which so desperately needs

[4:47:41] Voice 7: a safer facility for cyclists and for those not in cars pedestrians that that very large project

[4:47:52] Voice 7: is just underway and that's something that we've been talking about for years and years and years

[4:47:59] Voice 7: years. And you can imagine for us on this island, that's really significant. As for trees,

[4:48:08] Voice 7: truly given our crown lands, given our metro parks, I can't say I can think of lots of things

[4:48:17] Voice 7: that people talk about right now. If you want to mention one individual tree we had to cut down,

[4:48:24] Voice 7: Yes, that will cause some conversation, but generally, probably not such an issue that has been reported to me on Bowen.

[4:48:33] Voice 7: But that's our update, and thank you, Chair.

[4:48:37] Voice 25: Thank you, Michael.

[4:48:40] Voice 25: Peter Johnson, let's see.

[4:48:46] Voice 15: There'll be a wide range of reactions to the suggestion of controlling or trying to control or even talking about controlling tree cutting.

[4:48:55] Voice 15: And one of the things I worry about a little bit is that when this conversation starts, it is not uncommon for people to start cutting trees at a great rate while they can still do it legally.

[4:49:12] Voice 15: We don't control in any way except around streams in our bylaws, as far as I can see, streams that have potential to have salmon in them or salmonid species.

[4:49:24] Voice 15: species. Even our setback from the sea, which I think is 30 meters, just says prevents buildings

[4:49:32] Voice 15: and structures. It doesn't prevent cutting trees. Just recently, there was a clear cut from a house

[4:49:39] Voice 15: down to the foreshore. Very environmentally destructive. But when we start talking about

[4:49:46] Voice 15: controlling that, it often has negative effects. I think it's a great discussion and I look forward

[4:49:54] Voice 15: to us having it and I really hope it will be each trust area able to have that discussion

[4:49:59] Voice 15: and decide what level of control they want over that. The other thing I'll say is that

[4:50:09] Voice 15: we're not on tree cutting. We're having a much greater contact with First Nations

[4:50:17] Voice 15: partly because of the Leskete Archaeological Project

[4:50:21] Voice 15: which has begun as a report in the package

[4:50:24] Voice 15: and if anyone has questions they can contact me about that

[4:50:28] Voice 15: but largely because of the Forest Woodland License

[4:50:31] Voice 15: or First Nations Woodland License

[4:50:33] Voice 15: that is about to be let.

[4:50:37] Voice 15: I've had contact with two people from the nation

[4:50:42] Voice 15: and we're looking forward to meeting each other and working.

[4:50:46] Voice 15: I want to say that they're being most reasonable there. They have said that they will consult with us before any logging begins and they don't anticipate doing that soon. Although the terms of the agreement requires them to log to the annual allowable cut.

[4:51:04] Voice 15: that. I think that I would like to have the trust council have a discussion about governance.

[4:51:14] Voice 15: The trust cannot impose governments on our communities in any real way. It can really

[4:51:20] Voice 15: facilitate us to help govern ourselves. I'll finish, go back to trees. A lot of landowners

[4:51:27] Voice 15: here are very, very pleased with their forests. They're much regenerated. In the 50s, the

[4:51:32] Voice 15: island was practically clear-cut. There were not that many trees of any size left, except a few

[4:51:37] Voice 15: small patches. Many of our landowners are very proud to have significant forests and lands that

[4:51:43] Voice 15: were cleared, and the community is too. Okay, that's it. Thanks.

[4:51:51] Voice 25: Thank you, Peter. So, Peter

[4:51:55] Voice 25: Peter Grove, Salt Spring Island.

[4:51:59] Trustee Grove: Thank you.

[4:52:02] Trustee Grove: Laura reported on our top priorities.

[4:52:05] Trustee Grove: She asked me to add that with regard

[4:52:07] Trustee Grove: to the housing project,

[4:52:11] Trustee Grove: we've got, we have a meeting scheduled

[4:52:13] Trustee Grove: with three nations next week

[4:52:15] Trustee Grove: in an initial dialogue, actually,

[4:52:18] Trustee Grove: but that's with regard to the Ganges Village Plan.

[4:52:20] Trustee Grove: So that should be a rich and an interesting discussion.

[4:52:23] Trustee Grove: discussion. The island is busy in many areas, particularly construction. Our staff, our

[4:52:31] Trustee Grove: trust staff, are extremely busy. There's a huge real estate boom taking place. Prices

[4:52:39] Trustee Grove: skyrocketing and some big projects in the wind. The Vortex, you may recall, some of

[4:52:46] Trustee Grove: you have tried to develop the old Fulford pub site. I think that's going to be coming

[4:52:52] Trustee Grove: coming back, and Channel Ridge will, I think, start working on another proposal. Our emergency

[4:53:04] Trustee Grove: room for Lady Minter Hospital is going ahead. So there's a lot going on, and it's interesting

[4:53:12] Trustee Grove: how this island is weathering the storm, as so many others are. Certainly there are people

[4:53:19] Trustee Grove: who are suffering and there's no doubt about that but um but we're not doing badly but we're all

[4:53:25] Trustee Grove: looking forward to our vaccinations and sorry we're not part of the big group but um we'll

[4:53:30] Trustee Grove: we'll get we'll have our share i'm sure thank you well

[4:53:36] Voice 25: thank you trustee grove now uh doug fenton

[4:53:39] Voice 25: did you make it back from the break apparently not sue ellen i

[4:53:45] Trustee Fenton: am hello hello god and it's not

[4:53:49] Trustee Fenton: Not a break, my friend.

[4:53:51] Trustee Fenton: I was no Wi-Fi.

[4:53:52] Trustee Fenton: I'm up in a hillside.

[4:53:54] Trustee Fenton: So a bit of a challenging, I don't know what happened, but it's, yeah.

[4:54:01] Trustee Fenton: So back to hillside operation.

[4:54:06] Trustee Fenton: And so where are we at?

[4:54:08] Trustee Fenton: We are doing trustee check-ins.

[4:54:11] Trustee Fenton: So

[4:54:11] Voice 25: trustee check-ins.

[4:54:12] Voice 25: And my question for today, you can certainly report on something within two minutes of your allotted time,

[4:54:19] Voice 25: on what's happening locally there or if you have if i would like to know specifically what tree

[4:54:26] Voice 25: cutting uh their tree cutting requests similar to uh that of municipalities means because that

[4:54:34] Voice 25: the executive committee and the ceo and myself are going to meet with the ministers here next

[4:54:39] Voice 25: week and would like to get a better feel for what that means to each trustee i

[4:54:45] Trustee Fenton: i'll tree cutting is

[4:54:46] Trustee Fenton: an important topic because it's a in my immediate neighborhood is a an ongoing challenge i think our

[4:54:55] Trustee Fenton: yeah so it's an important topic it has to be addressed more effectively um i i see the

[4:55:02] Trustee Fenton: challenges with our local um landowners as they in that they feel an imminent right to cut and do as

[4:55:10] Trustee Fenton: they want when they want um but at the same time i think it's like shoreline protection we have to

[4:55:16] Trustee Fenton: just keep educating and getting them and i think maybe development permit um opportunities there

[4:55:26] Trustee Fenton: too we're not just are you regulating them but gives us an opportunity to open that door to that

[4:55:30] Trustee Fenton: discussion and have a conversation around size and why they're doing it and the potential impacts um

[4:55:38] Trustee Fenton: and i think a lot of our people will come around to it once they get their heads around the bigger

[4:55:45] Trustee Fenton: your picture but they don't generally understand um a few do but many don't um and many people

[4:55:53] Trustee Fenton: changing faces on the island um so they're new to the island they're new to the environment and

[4:55:59] Trustee Fenton: wherever they come from their paradigms are around sustainable you know forestry is the

[4:56:04] Trustee Fenton: most sustainable um industry in bc so we just keep cutting and um which is really unfortunate

[4:56:11] Trustee Fenton: fortunate so yeah i would support further discussion with the powers that be and figure

[4:56:17] Trustee Fenton: out how we can do a better job of it thank you for the time thank

[4:56:22] Voice 25: you very much uh now sue ellen

[4:56:25] Voice 25: fast back over to bowen island thank

[4:56:29] Trustee Fast: you chair um i'll come uh follow up on michael kales he

[4:56:33] Trustee Fast: mentioned the uh big douglas fir in the cove that came down that was on community lands so

[4:56:39] Trustee Fast: So municipal lands.

[4:56:40] Trustee Fast: And there's a big clearing there now.

[4:56:43] Trustee Fast: And that iconic tree came down that people thought we were going to be able to keep or to save.

[4:56:49] Trustee Fast: And there's upset people stopping me on the trail saying, how did you let that happen?

[4:56:59] Trustee Fast: They're looking to council to protect nature.

[4:57:01] Trustee Fast: So anyway, where we are as a municipality, we need all the tools we can get.

[4:57:06] Trustee Fast: we've got um the ability to have a tree um cutting bylaw uh but the couple of times that those have

[4:57:15] Trustee Fast: come forward with various councils in the past um they have been stopped usually because they've

[4:57:21] Trustee Fast: been bundled with other things or been too um too broad um in my view but anyway we'll see i'm glad

[4:57:29] Trustee Fast: to have the tools um we are clearing the land for community for the fire hall for a medical center

[4:57:36] Trustee Fast: that michael mentioned for affordable housing so this kind of work is happening and we also have

[4:57:44] Trustee Fast: the threat of industrial logging up in the crown land on mount gardner these are our water towers

[4:57:49] Trustee Fast: right these big um uh three mount three or four mountains on bowen that are crown land and uh if

[4:57:56] Trustee Fast: logging happens that could really change the whole character of the island as well as water

[4:58:02] Trustee Fast: water availability and quality. I'll try and go faster here. I think we could use tree cutting

[4:58:08] Trustee Fast: bylaws on a bunch of scales, not just for big developments, but also for protecting our

[4:58:15] Trustee Fast: ferry landings and villages and the character and the island feeling of shorelines, older

[4:58:22] Trustee Fast: neighborhoods are changing over. And even individual eagle nesting trees and things like

[4:58:28] Trustee Fast: that I think they could be important right now we're looking at a site alteration bylaw for Bowen

[4:58:33] Trustee Fast: Island staff are working on that which shouldn't help with big clearings and blasting on lots

[4:58:40] Trustee Fast: we've got a wildfire protection plan coming I'm not sure what that will mean for our forests

[4:58:45] Trustee Fast: and on Monday night I introduced a coastal areas development permit area proposal to council to

[4:58:53] Trustee Fast: to start getting ideas from staff about that.

[4:58:57] Trustee Fast: Like Laskiti, Bowen has only a building setback

[4:59:04] Trustee Fast: of a maximum of 30 meters

[4:59:07] Trustee Fast: and everything else can be cleared.

[4:59:09] Trustee Fast: So that's my report, thank you.

[4:59:11] Trustee Fast: I think we need more tools for trees.

[4:59:16] Voice 25: Okay, thank you, Trustee Fass.

[4:59:20] Voice 25: Trustee Dobbs, no, okay.

[4:59:26] Voice 25: Trustee Critchley.

[4:59:31] Trustee Critchley: Thank you. I'll just report on one aspect of housing on Denman Island. There's been several. I'll leave some for my colleague to report on the most notorious part.

[4:59:45] Trustee Critchley: But you may recall that we've had two affordable housing projects on Denman. One is eight units, seniors affordable housing in the so-called village area. That is still proceeding. As a matter of fact, it's proceeding to a public hearing on.

[5:00:00] Trustee Critchley: monday next um so the other one which was more controversial was a 20 unit proposal

[5:00:12] Trustee Critchley: and uh it had water issues if you recall um this was the source of bringing before council and

[5:00:21] Trustee Critchley: before executive committee the issue of whether harvested rainwater qualified as uh potable water

[5:00:28] Trustee Critchley: for the purposes of trust policy statement provisions.

[5:00:32] Trustee Critchley: Now, ironically or sadly, that project has now failed.

[5:00:38] Trustee Critchley: They were to the stage of going out to the health department,

[5:00:43] Trustee Critchley: which has approval of authority over the systems that would be required

[5:00:49] Trustee Critchley: and the volumes that would be required to be stored for a rainwater harvesting system.

[5:00:55] Trustee Critchley: system. It's never been clear to me whether that sort of a project scale of 20 units would be

[5:01:02] Trustee Critchley: approvable in the eyes of the health department. That remains to be seen in the future, or perhaps

[5:01:09] Trustee Critchley: we could get some feedback from them as a result of this. But what happened was essentially they

[5:01:15] Trustee Critchley: ran out of time, and the owner of the property who had agreed to sell it or donate it in part

[5:01:25] Trustee Critchley: to the affordable housing group refused to extend the term of their agreement. So it

[5:01:35] Trustee Critchley: faltered right at the finish line, so to speak, which is tragic. I'm not saying that I was

[5:01:40] Trustee Critchley: disposed to the project entirely. It was very controversial and a difficult decision made more

[5:01:49] Trustee Critchley: Steve Fast and myself were able to uh constitute the on this because of uh trustee Beshakan living

[5:02:00] Trustee Critchley: next door to the project so that is gone um and unfortunately we won't have the benefit of

[5:02:07] Trustee Critchley: community discussion further although they're probably something like 60 uh written submissions

[5:02:12] Trustee Critchley: on it so that future applicants can can benefit from that and learn what is of concern to the

[5:02:18] Trustee Critchley: community. But as far as that innovative thing with captive rainwater as the source, that's gone

[5:02:27] Trustee Critchley: and will not be the precedent on Denman Island, it would seem. So they are picking it up and

[5:02:33] Trustee Critchley: have another site, which is within the village area. I understand they're going to be bringing

[5:02:37] Trustee Critchley: something to us at our next meeting next week. And we'll be asking us to make a submission or

[5:02:47] Trustee Critchley: or an endorsement for an application to executive committee

[5:02:50] Trustee Critchley: to waive the fees on that.

[5:02:54] Trustee Critchley: As for tree cutting,

[5:02:55] Trustee Critchley: I don't have any concluded views on that at all,

[5:02:59] Trustee Critchley: but suffice to say that it's a tool

[5:03:01] Trustee Critchley: that I think we should have available to us.

[5:03:04] Trustee Critchley: How we utilize it in the future is a different question.

[5:03:07] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[5:03:10] Voice 25: Thank you, Trustee Critchley.

[5:03:12] Voice 25: Trustee Coburn.

[5:03:16] Trustee Colbourne: Thank you.

[5:03:17] Trustee Colbourne: I want to share a quick update

[5:03:19] Trustee Colbourne: from the top priority project here,

[5:03:22] Trustee Colbourne: which is the housing options and impacts.

[5:03:24] Trustee Colbourne: So again, looking at increasing housing options and types,

[5:03:28] Trustee Colbourne: but also looking at how we lower the impacts.

[5:03:31] Trustee Colbourne: That is, it is a trust project.

[5:03:34] Trustee Colbourne: Due to the way that we manage projects

[5:03:36] Trustee Colbourne: and some funding issues,

[5:03:38] Trustee Colbourne: the Housing Advisory Planning Commission

[5:03:40] Trustee Colbourne: took a lot of that work on their own.

[5:03:42] Trustee Colbourne: They had some staff support,

[5:03:44] Trustee Colbourne: but they have done a community engagement

[5:03:46] Trustee Colbourne: engagement during a pandemic that is, frankly, mind-boggling. And it's good and bad here. It's

[5:03:55] Trustee Colbourne: amazing what volunteers can do. It's sad that we're asking so much of our volunteers. And we're

[5:04:00] Trustee Colbourne: lucky that we had the expertise that we have within that group. They did three surveys. They

[5:04:04] Trustee Colbourne: facilitated community conversations. They had over 400 respondents to each segment of their survey.

[5:04:10] Trustee Colbourne: And we're going to get the feedback from that. So again, looking at how to lower the impacts

[5:04:15] Trustee Colbourne: to the environment of housing. And that has been shared on the Sunaimuk First Nations website as

[5:04:22] Trustee Colbourne: well. So they've really done a good job and I'm just full of gratitude for that. One of the

[5:04:29] Trustee Colbourne: aspects of that, and Trustee Longerise has talked about this from the beginning of the term, is a

[5:04:33] Trustee Colbourne: build-out map. Planner Sonia Zupanek has worked on a layering of mapping that connects things to

[5:04:41] Trustee Colbourne: water. It connects things to subdivision potential, undeveloped lots. It helps us as decision makers

[5:04:47] Trustee Colbourne: to know what we're dealing with. So I really, I think we have to find ways to replicate good

[5:04:53] Trustee Colbourne: ideas and good practices in these projects. And so I hope that people will ask their regional

[5:05:00] Trustee Colbourne: planning managers to look into that and to share it. Tree cutting, listen, the international

[5:05:06] Trustee Colbourne: shipping industry with the lack of regulation and oversight and responsibility that Canada takes

[5:05:12] Trustee Colbourne: they've parked environmental bombs in the backyards of our islands right tree cutters

[5:05:18] Trustee Colbourne: are looking at what the island's trust protects and doesn't and they're moving from lot to lot

[5:05:25] Trustee Colbourne: to lot and they're clear cutting them they're clear cutting them so folks I love hearing

[5:05:32] Trustee Colbourne: hearing trustee johnson talk about how proud you are of the forest and you're what a collective

[5:05:37] Trustee Colbourne: effort we launched trees for tomorrow here uh something that grant scott the forester launched

[5:05:42] Trustee Colbourne: on hornby island and other islands are doing at pender galliano it's a it's volunteering to

[5:05:48] Trustee Colbourne: register your land and to donate to plant trees over 40 acres we got in 10 days it doesn't match

[5:05:55] Trustee Colbourne: what opportunistic land disturbers are profiting from if we don't enter this space other people

[5:06:03] Trustee Colbourne: are um and i i get upset about this not because it's to to walk through these places and to see

[5:06:13] Trustee Colbourne: them and to understand that we have a duty to protect and we have a mandate that has the

[5:06:17] Trustee Colbourne: environment at its core, you know, it's shocking that we don't have this power. And yes, that is

[5:06:28] Trustee Colbourne: that is my report.

[5:06:33] Voice 25: Thank you, Trustee Coburn. Laura Beshaken.

[5:06:38] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. So,

[5:06:40] Trustee Busheikin: So, yeah, David Christian reported on much of what's going on in terms of, I mean, housing.

[5:06:52] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, I think what he was getting at is that I could report on some of what I guess I would call as controversy really due to, I think, two bylaw enforcement files from early last year that were against illegal housing with multiple illegal homes on properties that

[5:07:18] Trustee Busheikin: That led to a lot of heated discussion in the community and some outreach to media and a lot of rumors and a lot of really, to be blunt, factually entirely incorrect information spreading around about the campaign, the Islands Trust eviction campaign and such like, which is really too bad because it makes it difficult to have community conversations about this.

[5:07:46] Trustee Busheikin: and has led to a lot of stress in the community and quite honestly I think it's led to some

[5:07:51] Trustee Busheikin: property owners who provide or could provide housing pulling back so we've been just trying

[5:07:57] Trustee Busheikin: to counter that without getting pulled into it and otherwise I did want to report I've mentioned

[5:08:06] Trustee Busheikin: we went to this we've actually since council I think had three different community to community

[5:08:12] Trustee Busheikin: meetings with the Comox First Nation. It's really an honor and a treat to be part of this outreach

[5:08:22] Trustee Busheikin: that they're putting a great amount of effort and thought into and learning so much. And the

[5:08:29] Trustee Busheikin: two presentations at the last one were so interesting and so important, all about

[5:08:35] Trustee Busheikin: about a drip up and what that means for all governing agencies in BC and I actually will be

[5:08:43] Trustee Busheikin: sending an email to executive committee to recommend that we get those two speakers for

[5:08:49] Trustee Busheikin: for trust council they were just amazing so and that was it that was a highlight and then

[5:08:57] Trustee Busheikin: tree cutting you know quite honestly I wonder how much I can't say much about it I want to

[5:09:04] Trustee Busheikin: learn more about it i mean when i hear what trustee colburn is talking about and see the

[5:09:10] Trustee Busheikin: picture from north pender um it's you know we have people clear-cutting properties here also

[5:09:17] Trustee Busheikin: it's not commercial because i i don't think denman really has a lot of major commercial

[5:09:22] Trustee Busheikin: potential but as people who buy a couple acres and they just want it raised that's how they want

[5:09:27] Trustee Busheikin: their property um do we already have tools is it a matter of political will do we have deep can we

[5:09:33] Trustee Busheikin: we do a DPA to stop that or to at least require them to slow down and do it carefully? I want

[5:09:38] Trustee Busheikin: that information. What can we do already? But I will say, oh, and I like the idea of protecting

[5:09:44] Trustee Busheikin: important trees, you know, eagle nesting trees, rare or endangered species, old trees, culturally

[5:09:52] Trustee Busheikin: important trees, and the area around them, which is totally important. But just a very brief story

[5:09:59] Trustee Busheikin: when that letter went out from the chair asking for the increased powers for to regulate tree

[5:10:06] Trustee Busheikin: cutting I posted a link to the Devon Facebook community group and got so much pushback on that

[5:10:14] Trustee Busheikin: and people phoning and contacting me and yet more regulation it's already too expensive to build here

[5:10:20] Trustee Busheikin: and you know this is just too much control and we should trust people but then I also had people

[5:10:27] Trustee Busheikin: People contact, like quite often I have people contact me, sometimes in tears, because they've seen some beautiful second growth forest, these clear cuts that people do because they want properties that conform to a certain aesthetic, I guess.

[5:10:44] Trustee Busheikin: Maybe they want just lots of sunlight and don't know ways to do it selectively.

[5:10:49] Trustee Busheikin: And so there's those two groups.

[5:10:51] Trustee Busheikin: So I think that, you know, what I'm looking for is some ideas of if we were to regulate tree cutting, what would be our criteria so that it's evidence based, so that it is really led by our focus points on climate change and reconciliation and that it makes sense and that it doesn't put, you know, huge fear into people that we're not going to let them cut down any trees and that'll be the end.

[5:11:19] Trustee Busheikin: And I think that we need to, at least for me, I need to even understand what the options are and how it would work in a balanced way.

[5:11:27] Trustee Busheikin: But I am certain, I do think, I think trees are, trees are key.

[5:11:31] Trustee Busheikin: Like we do need to leave, we do need to protect our trees and forests.

[5:11:35] Trustee Busheikin: And I would be willing to do that even if people will be getting angry on Facebook.

[5:11:40] Trustee Busheikin: People do that anyways.

[5:11:42] Voice 25: Thank you, Trustee Bershaken.

[5:11:44] Voice 25: So, Trustee Brent, and the final word to Trustee Allen.

[5:11:50] Voice 10: Okay. Lee covered off a lot of stuff in respect of tree cutting authority and the like, but the one thing is, is similar to Trustee Bouchakin's community. The reaction here on Saturna was pretty uniform. They did not want the trust involved whatsoever in anything to do with tree cutting because they felt it was scope creep and there's no existing expertise.

[5:12:16] Voice 10: Now, of course, we do have the advantage of being 50% park, and I'd say that the stewardship of the people on this island is pretty good, generally speaking.

[5:12:30] Voice 10: Yeah, we have a clear cut that was significant and pretty horrible, but we couldn't have done anything about that anyway.

[5:12:38] Voice 10: I want to talk more about what's going on in our community.

[5:12:41] Voice 10: I think Trustee Maude had talked about it.

[5:12:44] Voice 10: we're having a lot of new people uh move to the community and and you know some trustees uh view

[5:12:51] Voice 10: that with horror and i think just because of the situation we have on saturn i don't and i don't

[5:12:58] Voice 10: think a lot of people do um you know these people are are once they get here for a couple of years

[5:13:04] Voice 10: they step up so um we had recently uh went for emergency uh medical uh response training and of

[5:13:13] Voice 10: of the eight people in our group, 75% of them were new as in the last two to three years to the

[5:13:20] Voice 10: island. And 75% of that group or 75% of the group was also pretty young, ranging around between 28

[5:13:30] Voice 10: and 30, 39. So pretty amazing stuff. They're stepping up. They're part of the community.

[5:13:37] Voice 10: It is awesome. And, you know, I look at our first responders between fire and ambulance, and we've got over 30 people, not including the board. So add that up, we've got 10% of our population, just in that one little volunteer area. And talk about all the volunteer areas. It is unbelievable how much this community is vested in this community.

[5:14:03] Voice 10: community and when i say community i mean environment just as well so it's a great place

[5:14:09] Voice 10: to live and i'm super proud of it and there you go that's it for me thank you

[5:14:16] Voice 25: paul uh alex allen

[5:14:18] Voice 25: you had to wait a long time to go last so there you go sir well

[5:14:23] Trustee Allen: i'm thank you for making me last

[5:14:24] Trustee Allen: i tell you my name has been the bane of my existence since grade school frankly and i

[5:14:28] Trustee Allen: just finished therapy on it all so um i'm doing fine thank you so yeah shake it up and go in the

[5:14:34] Trustee Allen: the middle start with l um next time yeah so on hormy i'll report on hormy uh as opposed to

[5:14:42] Trustee Allen: liskiti we don't have feral sheep we have feral visitors we've got zoomers we've got serbians

[5:14:48] Trustee Allen: and a bunch of restless people and i don't i would say that we probably have not had an

[5:14:53] Trustee Allen: off season since last march it's it's unphenomenal like you can go to heliwell park and there's

[5:14:59] Trustee Allen: 16 cars in the parking lot in february when there's one car i turn around um and then i've

[5:15:07] Trustee Allen: got all these great little notes here um yes and so i would say um i'm in agreement with the tree

[5:15:16] Trustee Allen: thing we've got pretty much every every ferry we've got either above and beyond davey tree

[5:15:22] Trustee Allen: coastal arborist daily and um you know chainsaws chippers and arborists i hear them all day long

[5:15:30] Trustee Allen: and I would say like the general population that have been here for years

[5:15:37] Trustee Allen: would be against the whole tree bylaw but they were not against it if we'd have more

[5:15:44] Trustee Allen: compliance from visitors because that's what's going on I mean the person right behind me he

[5:15:48] Trustee Allen: bought this property and cut every single tree down and because they're dangerous so I don't

[5:15:55] Trustee Allen: know whether these new people because of power outages and trees fall down they mainly fall

[5:16:00] Trustee Allen: down on wires not on houses and um so that's a big concern i'm actually slowly planting little trees

[5:16:07] Trustee Allen: to block his property all over again and this is a new person and then he's just sold and then the

[5:16:11] Trustee Allen: property is sold after he did all that um what else we have i would say we probably need um

[5:16:21] Trustee Allen: communication we've probably got a new position lots of communication because you know we do have

[5:16:28] Trustee Allen: bylaws on our dpa that says all sorts of things about not cutting trees and nobody nobody knows

[5:16:33] Trustee Allen: about it or they don't really care it's just as we all know it's easier to ask for forgiveness

[5:16:38] Trustee Allen: and permission with so many trees and i just heard just down on harwood just near where we used to

[5:16:43] Trustee Allen: have the eagle clam in that tree somebody cut down one of the big eagle trees because it was dangerous

[5:16:49] Trustee Allen: and so on that note i will say i really caution all everybody when you listen to an arborist

[5:16:55] Trustee Allen: opinion because uh they're not always right and quite often they will say that tree is dangerous

[5:17:01] Trustee Allen: because they can cut it down i just went through that running managing the gas bar and there's

[5:17:05] Trustee Allen: we have a parking lot that's new being built in the last five years and it's horrible because

[5:17:10] Trustee Allen: all the trees are cut down around it so there's no shade about dogs i'm really adamant about

[5:17:15] Trustee Allen: dogs and cars parking so there's these two cedar trees right in the parking lot lean over and i

[5:17:21] Trustee Allen: got this line it says dog parking only and people follow the rule and arborists came and said one of

[5:17:27] Trustee Allen: them was dangerous and has to get down another one has to be topped and i disagreed with that

[5:17:31] Trustee Allen: So I got another arborist who said, no, that's ridiculous. Those are the healthiest cedar trees I've seen.

[5:17:36] Trustee Allen: So, as I say, I caution you in terms of getting a professional opinion, because they could be biased.

[5:17:44] Trustee Allen: And I did some research, like Trustee Langere, and I did find a very interesting tree and vegetation management plan with the town of Qualicum.

[5:17:57] Trustee Allen: and they're covering private trees i mean trees on private property it's a really good read i've

[5:18:03] Trustee Allen: got it on a pdf i could send it to anybody who's interested rather than having to search for it

[5:18:07] Trustee Allen: uh they basically touch on no one size fits all no single policy is capable

[5:18:13] Trustee Allen: to deal with all those climate issues and cutting trees down they recognize that

[5:18:17] Trustee Allen: and their um guiding principles are biocentric perspective they they take in biology ecology

[5:18:24] Trustee Allen: psychology and not just human and so it's a good read um i didn't read it all because that was

[5:18:30] Trustee Allen: after 908 pages of reading so that's all i'll say and i'll say for trustee scott too bad you're not

[5:18:39] Trustee Allen: out in the water it's really fun that's where he is thank

[5:18:44] Voice 25: you okay well the

[5:18:45] Voice 25: sun is still up and the

[5:18:47] Voice 25: water's still out there so if we can get you out of our meeting sooner than later you can go and

[5:18:52] Voice 25: and watch the herring spawn too.

[5:18:56] Voice 25: Okay, so thank you, trustees.

[5:18:58] Voice 25: I saw the CEO nodding a number of times.

[5:19:02] Voice 25: I think we got to some good information there.

[5:19:04] Voice 25: Obviously there's lots more to know and lots more to learn,

[5:19:07] Voice 25: but we're going to explore this as direction of council.

[5:19:10] Voice 25: And we want to consider what our options are here broadly

[5:19:15] Voice 25: and being sensitive, of course,

[5:19:18] Voice 25: to community interest and need and trustees support for it.

[5:19:23] Voice 25: Um, so this brings us to, you know, thank you everybody for taking a short lunch break.

[5:19:29] Voice 25: We're only running about half an hour behind so far, so that's excellent.

[5:19:33] Voice 25: We've caught up very well.

[5:19:35] Voice 25: So this is now an opportunity in this next section, the summary and updates.

[5:19:42] Voice 25: And I think we have been historically trying to encourage written submissions here and

[5:19:47] Voice 25: questions.

[5:19:48] Voice 25: So I'm just going to go through these quickly because I don't think I saw any written submissions

[5:19:54] Voice 25: just go around, and that might be my fault because I didn't prompt for it.

[5:20:02] Voice 25: David Maude, of course, thank you, has indeed complied.

[5:20:08] Voice 25: And actually, I think you're going to get one of those gold stars because you have submitted

[5:20:12] Voice 25: these reports on more than one occasion.

[5:20:15] Voice 25: And so I thank you for that.

[5:20:16] Voice 25: And I guess that's maybe why you're getting

[5:20:19] Voice 25: one of the first new ferries down there,

[5:20:21] Voice 25: which I think apparently has a double-edged sword

[5:20:23] Voice 25: associated with it.

[5:20:25] Voice 25: But anyway, so there's a David Moss report

[5:20:29] Voice 25: from Maine Island regarding his work

[5:20:31] Voice 25: on the BC Ferries Advisory Committee chair updates.

[5:20:34] Voice 25: And I'll just simply ask if there are any questions

[5:20:37] Voice 25: about that or there are other

[5:20:40] Voice 25: ferry advisory committee members on other islands

[5:20:44] Voice 25: that would like to speak up with respect

[5:20:46] Voice 25: to BC Ferries activities, ferry scheduling, et cetera.

[5:20:52] Voice 25: I've got to bring up the right screen.

[5:20:54] Voice 25: I apologize.

[5:20:55] Voice 25: I think I've done this before.

[5:20:57] Voice 25: Okay.

[5:20:59] Voice 25: Not seeing any hands raised on BC Ferries.

[5:21:03] Voice 25: So again, thank you very much.

[5:21:05] Voice 25: And certainly we look forward

[5:21:07] Voice 25: to seeing this new ferry in service.

[5:21:10] Voice 25: The ferry company, of course, is telling us

[5:21:12] Voice 25: that's the gateway to electric ferries.

[5:21:13] Voice 25: and so we'll see how that pans out for all of us the next item is a trustee summary updates

[5:21:21] Voice 25: standing item is first nations relationship building um there's a tremendous amount of

[5:21:28] Voice 25: activity going on throughout the trust area and i really want to thank lisa wilcox actually for

[5:21:34] Voice 25: facilitating bringing those conversations to the local trust committees and of course the policy

[5:21:40] Voice 25: statement or trust area services through the policy statement and engaging with our communities

[5:21:45] Voice 25: and bringing them to the table some significant work on by individual staff members on salt

[5:21:50] Voice 25: spring particularly in reaching out to communities and bringing first nations to our table so is

[5:21:56] Voice 25: anything from anybody else at the table trustee alan

[5:21:59] Trustee Allen: hi i just want to follow up that yeah i

[5:22:05] Trustee Allen: attended the meeting with the ctc community meeting with trustee beshaken and critchley

[5:22:09] Trustee Allen: with uh regional districts and cumberland oh and by the way the planner is courtney simpson

[5:22:17] Trustee Allen: is now in cumberland just just if you're interested where your your staff goes to um

[5:22:23] Trustee Allen: anyways the jessica wood the assistant deputy minister um for the reconciliation transformation

[5:22:33] Trustee Allen: and strategies division or for staff adm rt std they um she was amazing and i'd really

[5:22:40] Trustee Allen: love to be able to have her come to a Trust Council. She was really eloquent. In fact,

[5:22:47] Trustee Allen: she was so eloquent that Merle Alexander, the lawyer who followed after her says,

[5:22:51] Trustee Allen: my God, that was really hard to follow. And especially sort of highlighted,

[5:22:55] Trustee Allen: especially from a government employee. She was, yeah, it was really amazing. It was a

[5:23:03] Trustee Allen: presentation on DRIPA and where they're going. And I won't go into too much detail because you've

[5:23:08] Trustee Allen: heard a lot of my voice lately um that what was interesting is um melissa quatt sister the

[5:23:15] Trustee Allen: she she was actually a counselor at comets first nations when we had her first meeting way back

[5:23:19] Trustee Allen: when and now she's a consultant and she's a member of comets first nations and she was the moderator

[5:23:24] Trustee Allen: and she said at the end that that uh next year with the comets first nations negotiations

[5:23:30] Trustee Allen: they could have have up to 12 000 acres of land going from sayward down to deep bay

[5:23:38] Trustee Allen: and uh you know she said it could potentially be another city and uh it's it's exciting it's

[5:23:44] Trustee Allen: really interesting where that's all going to go and um yeah i'd be really great to have the

[5:23:50] Trustee Allen: adm std rdd jessica wood to come and talk to us one day at the trust council thank you

[5:23:58] Voice 25: okay thank you sir um i'm just gonna shout out for a minute actually it's sort of one of these uh

[5:24:06] Voice 25: safety things, really, and that when we talk about government employees, and maybe we chuckle

[5:24:12] Voice 25: from time to time, I'm surrounded here in this office space by government employees that do

[5:24:17] Voice 25: magnificent work, professional work for our community. Just want to say that. Thank you.

[5:24:25] Voice 25: Trustee Colburn, followed by Rogers, and I will want to bring your attention on the screen is a

[5:24:29] Voice 25: a report from the Leskeetee Island Local Trust area, Peter Johnson, I believe, archaeological

[5:24:35] Voice 25: project. And so thank you for that. So in due course, let's go to Trustee Colbert, Trustee

[5:24:41] Voice 25: Largess.

[5:24:43] Trustee Colbourne: Thank you. I had a very productive meeting with Sunaimak First Nation and I have another

[5:24:47] Trustee Colbourne: one planned. So thank you to that. We have a protocol agreement that the Trust Council

[5:24:52] Trustee Colbourne: signed on behalf of the Gabriel Local Trust Committee and we're committed to look at that

[5:24:57] Trustee Colbourne: and it's just it's proceeding in a really good way so thank you for the staff support and the

[5:25:01] Trustee Colbourne: and the other ltc members i just wanted to use this opportunity to go back to the tree cutting

[5:25:06] Trustee Colbourne: piece and i i think this is an opportunity whenever we're looking at new processes and

[5:25:10] Trustee Colbourne: new policies to make sure that we keep in mind these are opportunities to work work with and

[5:25:17] Trustee Colbourne: build relationships with first nations and knowledge holders around stewardship practices

[5:25:22] Trustee Colbourne: and so that's that's a key piece of this and I would hope that's that's part of

[5:25:27] Trustee Colbourne: the approach to working with the government and nations as well thank you

[5:25:32] Trustee Colbourne: right

[5:25:35] Voice 25: thank you very much for that reminder trustee Colburn appreciate that

[5:25:39] Voice 25: trustee Stanford Rogers and then Rogers thank

[5:25:43] Trustee Rogers: you just briefly thanks to again

[5:25:46] Trustee Rogers: for Julie so we had a introductory relationship building meeting with with

[5:25:52] Trustee Rogers: with some members of the staff of the Squamish.

[5:25:58] Trustee Rogers: But what was interesting and I think is important

[5:26:00] Trustee Rogers: is we were talking about a project we're doing

[5:26:03] Trustee Rogers: in our area, which is shoreline protection.

[5:26:05] Trustee Rogers: And these are referral people.

[5:26:08] Trustee Rogers: And it struck me that how interested they were

[5:26:13] Trustee Rogers: in being able to be involved in a project

[5:26:15] Trustee Rogers: rather than an application, if you get the difference.

[5:26:19] Trustee Rogers: I mean, we were going to be, we're going to end up talking about how this thing should evolve, rather than having to deal with a development proposal. And it was such a positive conversation. So I think that's hopefully a good sign for going forward about working on things that were about projects rather than applications. Thanks.

[5:26:43] Trustee Rogers: Thank

[5:26:45] Voice 25: you, Trustee Rogers. So that wraps it up on the First Nations front there.

[5:26:53] Voice 25: So I'm grateful to everybody in building our relationships with the nations in our area.

[5:27:03] Voice 25: These are the little slips, you know, that we constantly have to be aware of.

[5:27:10] Voice 25: so I'm thankful for the work that you're doing with First Nations in the Coast Salish Territory

[5:27:17] Voice 25: that's fantastic so Gulf Island National Park Reserve is next and I think that's possibly

[5:27:24] Voice 25: Lee Middleton to speak to that I don't you let me know what's going on there sir if you're the

[5:27:30] Voice 25: right person or point your finger at the person that is no

[5:27:33] Trustee Middleton: thank you very much it it has not met

[5:27:37] Trustee Middleton: again which is uh uh due to uh protocol issues that they um this previous superintendent was

[5:27:44] Trustee Middleton: attempting to work out uh in terms of um uh first nations membership on the committee

[5:27:51] Trustee Middleton: um and so to what has happened i've noticed that this saturn liaison committee continues to meet

[5:27:59] Trustee Middleton: twice a year and does productive work um the superintendent for seven or eight years marcio

[5:28:05] Trustee Middleton: Marash was promoted to the director general of the operations in southwestern Ontario.

[5:28:11] Trustee Middleton: So there's a search to replace her. Some of you from the other islands may know her.

[5:28:19] Trustee Middleton: And the local committee on Saturn has been invited to take part or have input into the

[5:28:26] Trustee Middleton: selection of a new superintendent for the part. But Marcia was really instrumental in

[5:28:32] Trustee Middleton: in working towards reconciliation and in my view what I think she was striving towards

[5:28:38] Trustee Middleton: was a co-management agreement with First Nations who have territorial interest expressed in

[5:28:46] Trustee Middleton: the Park Reserve lands. The issue of course is that's 19 different nations and so obviously

[5:28:51] Trustee Middleton: the work is taking a long time but she definitely soldiered on and to her credit also for the

[5:28:59] Trustee Middleton: community of saturn she really leveraged the funding that uh that they were able to get

[5:29:04] Trustee Middleton: through the oceans protection plan to sort of make things right with the saturn community who

[5:29:09] Trustee Middleton: had historically because of course you know basically given up all its natural resource

[5:29:15] Trustee Middleton: industry with free consent for the establishment of the park in the in 2000 uh in expectation that

[5:29:24] Trustee Middleton: there would be employment and employment through budget cuts during the harper area era meant that

[5:29:30] Trustee Middleton: basically employment almost declined to zero and so she used creative approach to her ability to

[5:29:37] Trustee Middleton: deploy resources and uh really make things right with saturn there's now a really good staff

[5:29:42] Trustee Middleton: complement here um and i think relations are very very good between the park reserve and and the

[5:29:48] Trustee Middleton: island so a lot of credit goes to to marcia for that so we thank you for that

[5:29:53] Trustee Middleton: so that's really the update of the um of the park reserve for now

[5:30:00] Trustee Middleton: thank you thank

[5:30:01] Voice 25: you sir um any questions for the representative your representative no okay

[5:30:11] Voice 25: thank you salt spring island water protection alliance uh laura patrick over to you mr chair

[5:30:18] Trustee Patrick: can i um can i take instead of talking about salt can i talk about the round table that's been set

[5:30:22] Trustee Patrick: up because i don't think the trustees know about it which

[5:30:27] Voice 25: round table the

[5:30:29] Trustee Patrick: freshwater strategic

[5:30:30] Trustee Patrick: strategic planning round table, just quickly as a, um, three, uh, just a year ago that, uh, the

[5:30:38] Trustee Patrick: budget was set to, for the, for the, uh, doing the strategic plan. And as you know, they were

[5:30:42] Trustee Patrick: successful in securing a significant grant and the work has been underway and a round table, uh,

[5:30:49] Trustee Patrick: was just initiated and kicked off its first meeting last week. It's a very rich experience.

[5:30:54] Trustee Patrick: they've pulled together um they've got developers they've got um they've got water purveyors the

[5:31:01] Trustee Patrick: first nations um that all levels of government um and uh staff and it's it's a really rich

[5:31:10] Trustee Patrick: conversation to bring people together to talk about uh honestly you know the the issues of

[5:31:15] Trustee Patrick: managing fresh water where the opportunities lie and so like i said we just had the first

[5:31:19] Trustee Patrick: meeting there's three trustees that are sitting on that as well myself Kate Louise and Laura

[5:31:26] Trustee Patrick: Bouchakin so it's the Laura's and Kate and really looking forward to where this is coming from I

[5:31:34] Trustee Patrick: think we have a series of four meetings I want to say to sort of go through the identification

[5:31:40] Trustee Patrick: steps of what can be done and where that's going so I look forward to staff I'm sure we'll be

[5:31:46] Trustee Patrick: be reporting more as it comes out, but I just wanted to let you know, and SWPA is going to be

[5:31:51] Trustee Patrick: going through a somewhat similar exercise on the island level.

[5:31:59] Voice 25: Okay, thank you, Justice Patrick.

[5:32:02] Voice 25: So you didn't have anything else to share at this time on the SWPA front? Okay, thank you very much

[5:32:08] Voice 25: for your dedication and work on your island. How Sound Community Forum, is that going to be

[5:32:16] Voice 25: kate louise yes

[5:32:18] Trustee Stamford: chair i just want to point out that the primary activity for the house on community

[5:32:26] Trustee Stamford: forum was uh update on the cumulative effects um project that's happening in now sound and uh

[5:32:36] Trustee Stamford: trustee rogers had updated everybody on that earlier okay

[5:32:43] Voice 25: thank you um so the next item

[5:32:47] Voice 25: on our list here is Anchorage's

[5:32:49] Voice 25: roundtable update and

[5:32:51] Voice 25: I guess I'm inclined to turn that to maybe

[5:32:53] Voice 25: Trustee Fenton and Trustee Colburn

[5:32:55] Voice 25: but before I do that

[5:32:56] Voice 25: I made some

[5:32:59] Voice 25: quick earlier

[5:33:00] Voice 25: when Director Crater was speaking about her

[5:33:03] Voice 25: attendance of the OPP, Ocean Protection

[5:33:05] Voice 25: Plan, which

[5:33:07] Voice 25: I also did and

[5:33:09] Voice 25: struggled through three days of

[5:33:11] Voice 25: electronic meetings that

[5:33:15] Voice 25: I struggled with I'll just say

[5:33:17] Voice 25: but

[5:33:18] Voice 25: but on the anchorages uh note it initially was not even on the agenda the lot you know the largest

[5:33:28] Voice 25: uh environmental protection marine environmental protection program deployed in canada i think

[5:33:33] Voice 25: they'd like to talk about uh a significant amount of resources applied to the anchorages file

[5:33:39] Voice 25: nationally um we are still waiting for community consultation in a meaningful way we are still

[5:33:48] Voice 25: still waiting for reporting, outcomes, ideas, suggestions, thoughts.

[5:33:55] Voice 25: Quite honestly, we had a stunning, like a shocking actually is the word I think I used in the press,

[5:34:01] Voice 25: a shocking report from the Transport Safety Board that the crew was not watching the weather

[5:34:07] Voice 25: when their vessel dragged anchor, tangled up with another vessel.

[5:34:13] Voice 25: Unfortunately, a vessel of opportunity was able to rescue them from the predicament that they were in.

[5:34:19] Voice 25: The wind had started to die at that point. If the wind had continued to build, we would have had not one, but two freighters potentially washed up on a reef within the Coast Service territory and the area of the Islanders Trust.

[5:34:34] Voice 25: The reporting out was disappointing. And I'm not sure what to do about that.

[5:34:41] Voice 25: We also have a brand new minister, which I look forward to having some conversation with in some fashion.

[5:34:49] Voice 25: but I think we have to start again not with the staff we have to start again with the minister

[5:34:53] Voice 25: with all the work that we've done over the last four years when I'm being told that this program

[5:34:58] Voice 25: is about to wrap up with no outcome I find it disappointing I'm grateful to my own MP in the

[5:35:06] Voice 25: region here Alistair McGregor who has a private member's petition on the table in Ottawa to

[5:35:15] Voice 25: to put an end to these anchorages.

[5:35:17] Voice 25: Also I want to acknowledge Elizabeth May

[5:35:19] Voice 25: and the work that she's done.

[5:35:20] Voice 25: And a number of other MPs and now including the province

[5:35:26] Voice 25: that has shown an interest in this

[5:35:29] Voice 25: and past chair of the Islands Trust Council,

[5:35:32] Voice 25: Sheila Malcolmson, all of the people

[5:35:34] Voice 25: with the Southern Gulf Islands.

[5:35:37] Voice 25: And this time I'll get the name right,

[5:35:40] Voice 25: Bruce McConkey on South Panda Island.

[5:35:45] Voice 25: Jeff Tarras on South Tender Island, Chris Straw up on Gabriola Island, and I apologize to those

[5:35:53] Voice 25: that I haven't mentioned, but there are many, and the concern continues to grow, and so I'm

[5:35:59] Voice 25: certainly very much going to continue to be interested in that. So sorry for taking up so

[5:36:04] Voice 25: much airtime. As you know, I'm passionate about that, and so Doug Fenton or Scott Colburn or

[5:36:10] Voice 25: or somebody else that might be associated

[5:36:11] Voice 25: with one of these anchorage round tables,

[5:36:15] Voice 25: would they like to speak up?

[5:36:19] Voice 25: Doug, go ahead.

[5:36:20] Voice 25: Go ahead, Scott.

[5:36:25] Trustee Fenton: Oops.

[5:36:26] Trustee Fenton: Okay, Doug here, I think the big thing to add on

[5:36:30] Trustee Fenton: to what Chair Locke was already sort of put on the table

[5:36:35] Trustee Fenton: and Director Freider expressed concerns about earlier

[5:36:40] Trustee Fenton: is that the greatest number of attendees at these sessions

[5:36:45] Trustee Fenton: at the Anchorage D.O.P.P. round table.

[5:36:49] Trustee Fenton: It was all Anchorage related people.

[5:36:53] Trustee Fenton: And they also, I believe their numbers were like high

[5:36:56] Trustee Fenton: throughout the entire attendance of varying other components

[5:37:01] Trustee Fenton: of the round table.

[5:37:02] Trustee Fenton: So there was really good attendance.

[5:37:04] Trustee Fenton: There were some really good questions

[5:37:07] Trustee Fenton: and there was like a total flat, if not a negative,

[5:37:11] Trustee Fenton: it was my sense of it um response from transport canada uh before they've held their ground they've

[5:37:19] Trustee Fenton: treaded water this time they didn't even make the mark and they left without answering the majority

[5:37:27] Trustee Fenton: of the questions so yeah very very disappointing i echo um jerry luckham's distress um especially

[5:37:36] Trustee Fenton: especially given it was right on the heels of actually a near miss, you know,

[5:37:40] Trustee Fenton: we've had a, yeah, just a bunch of other serious events that are,

[5:37:45] Trustee Fenton: and it's just a matter of time before we have something much worse.

[5:37:48] Trustee Fenton: So I'm more not too sure where to go with it either.

[5:37:51] Trustee Fenton: I think the, the NGO groups of people,

[5:37:56] Trustee Fenton: the overall alliance based on Gabriel,

[5:38:00] Trustee Fenton: Gabriela, I run by the Gabriela chair for their local organization.

[5:38:08] Trustee Fenton: We're all trying to step up the ante, try to regroup, figure out where and what to do next.

[5:38:13] Trustee Fenton: It's not going to go away, but we have to find a way to get them back to the table, educate the new minister.

[5:38:22] Trustee Fenton: There is an ever-increasing pressure from other people coming on board.

[5:38:27] Trustee Fenton: So, I don't think they're going to be able to let it lie or die, but that's currently what they're trying to do.

[5:38:36] Trustee Fenton: Scott, I'm not sure what else you would have to offer, but I'm keen to hear. Thank you.

[5:38:42] Trustee Colbourne: Thank you. Thanks for all the reporting.

[5:38:45] Trustee Colbourne: And I basically wanted to hear what happened at that OPP.

[5:38:48] Trustee Colbourne: And also, I'd like to make some space for this maybe in the next Trust Council to talk about.

[5:38:52] Trustee Colbourne: about first of all, I'd like to know if there's any results

[5:38:56] Trustee Colbourne: or reporting back from the motion that we passed

[5:39:00] Trustee Colbourne: as an urgent issue at the last trust council.

[5:39:02] Trustee Colbourne: And then also just set aside some time to talk about

[5:39:05] Trustee Colbourne: how we can represent the views and of constituents

[5:39:10] Trustee Colbourne: and just be more aggressive on this file.

[5:39:17] Trustee Colbourne: in a very crucial time for getting across how ineffective and inappropriate the response has

[5:39:26] Trustee Colbourne: been thus far from the federal government.

[5:39:30] Voice 25: Okay, thank you, Scott. Certainly letters

[5:39:34] Voice 25: have gone out to the government, and we are awaiting responses. And when those responses

[5:39:39] Voice 25: come in, I think I saw a sign up there somewhere. Not sure what that was. Maybe somebody's being

[5:39:45] Voice 25: zoom bond um anyway uh we're and so indeed there may be opportunity to create some space

[5:39:53] Voice 25: uh i will note however that this anchorages file was uh removed from the executive training

[5:40:00] Voice 25: priority list and um so i'm sort of carrying the weight of that on my own shoulders to some extent

[5:40:07] Voice 25: however that's a conversation that could be advanced so thank you for that scott i look

[5:40:12] Voice 25: forward to that um i didn't uh i i see uh case long arise's hand up i see trustee wolverton's

[5:40:20] Voice 25: hand up i just want to note that it's been brought to my attention by deb morrison that we might want

[5:40:24] Voice 25: to speak about the southern gulf islands forum which has been received some funding through the

[5:40:29] Voice 25: secretariat and uh i i'm suspecting i might come to jane wolverton about that but that was a tip

[5:40:36] Voice 25: tips that I got passed. So in the meantime, on the Anchorage's file, is there anything else?

[5:40:42] Voice 25: And Trustee Langerich, I think I saw your hand up on that. And I see Trustee Bulletin as well.

[5:40:46] Voice 3: Yeah, it's not Anchorage per se. It's an ancillary impact. The Nanaimo port is expanding

[5:40:54] Voice 3: its capacity for containers and the shipment of goods between Nanaimo and Vancouver. So we're

[5:41:01] Voice 3: we're going to see an increased number of activity.

[5:41:05] Voice 3: They're trying to move away from land transportation

[5:41:08] Voice 3: and having goods moving back and forth there.

[5:41:11] Voice 3: So it's going to get more congested.

[5:41:12] Voice 3: It may not be anchorages in the areas you're talking about

[5:41:16] Voice 3: and it won't be the goods, it'll be containers mainly,

[5:41:20] Voice 3: but just another impact of development.

[5:41:26] Voice 25: Exactly, yes,

[5:41:27] Voice 25: I am aware of that also.

[5:41:29] Voice 25: So thanks for raising that.

[5:41:30] Voice 25: All right, Trustee Wilberton next.

[5:41:34] Voice 18: Yeah, I'm

[5:41:35] Voice 18: gonna mention the Southern Gulf Island Forum

[5:41:39] Voice 18: because it's just getting underway,

[5:41:43] Voice 18: but I believe this issue will be one of the issues

[5:41:46] Voice 18: that the forum which will be comprised

[5:41:49] Voice 18: of government officials and First Nations.

[5:41:52] Voice 18: And I think this is one of the issues

[5:41:54] Voice 18: that we would be putting forward

[5:41:57] Voice 18: as probably one of the first ones.

[5:42:00] Voice 25: okay thank you jane and i suspect we might now it's hard to say for sure but we may want to

[5:42:06] Voice 25: add these secretariat um activities to this uh summary reports for future councils um because

[5:42:14] Voice 25: obviously what immediately comes to mind is being sound and uh how sound and other initiatives that

[5:42:21] Voice 25: we've been uh dedicating uh island trust's funds to to support those uh things so i think there's

[5:42:28] Voice 25: responsibility to get some reporting back so i imagine executive committee will see that on a

[5:42:34] Voice 25: future agenda so i think that concludes it for uh uh reporting out of trustees and summary updates

[5:42:42] Voice 25: of activities that have been ongoing not uh trustee lagrange is your hand just uh left

[5:42:48] Voice 25: over there you have something else no okay so this brings us now to our priority chart um

[5:43:03] Voice 25: And that's in there of the Trust Council priorities chart.

[5:43:09] Voice 25: And so just asking for your consideration.

[5:43:12] Voice 25: CEO Hudson-Pillard, do you want to speak to this at all?

[5:43:14] Voice 25: No, I just...

[5:43:15] Voice 23: Okay,

[5:43:16] Voice 25: so it's there for information.

[5:43:18] Voice 25: And this is Trust Council goals as well as...

[5:43:24] Voice 25: I don't have control of that.

[5:43:25] Voice 25: And if you scroll down there one section,

[5:43:28] Voice 25: and uh laurie does that yeah so the local trust areas are all listed there thank you very much

[5:43:34] Voice 25: um is there any remarks on that that item and i'll go to trustee colburn well

[5:43:41] Trustee Colbourne: you've just stated that

[5:43:42] Trustee Colbourne: you know the anchorages was removed from that but work is continuing so i think to offer you

[5:43:47] Trustee Colbourne: and and trust council um um gosh it's been long three days anyways um i i would like to see that

[5:43:55] Trustee Colbourne: that added or put back on as an acknowledgement

[5:43:58] Trustee Colbourne: that this work is important, that it's continuing,

[5:43:59] Trustee Colbourne: that we're a partner,

[5:44:01] Trustee Colbourne: supposed to be a partner in consultations

[5:44:03] Trustee Colbourne: and especially how timely this is given where we're at

[5:44:08] Trustee Colbourne: in the framework of this open ocean protection plan

[5:44:10] Trustee Colbourne: and the lack of meaningful work.

[5:44:13] Trustee Colbourne: I'd like to put forward a motion that we add anchorages

[5:44:18] Trustee Colbourne: back onto the executive committee list.

[5:44:21] Trustee Colbourne: So before

[5:44:22] Voice 25: somebody jumps into seconding that, I really appreciate that, Scott, but I think I have to acknowledge the balancing act that executive committee has to do with respect to work that's on the list already and the strategic plan and how that would dovetail in.

[5:44:39] Voice 25: And indeed, I would prefer to have a conversation with Director Frater with respect to how it is that we might accomplish that.

[5:44:48] Voice 25: Because, of course, the Executive Committee is limited in its scope of the number of projects that it can have as well,

[5:44:53] Voice 25: in order to be sure that our staff resources are distributed equitably.

[5:44:58] Voice 25: I'll just look to the CAO if he is concerned about

[5:45:03] Voice 25: something else being added to the Executive Committee list, because you're a partner in that.

[5:45:06] Voice 25: that

[5:45:07] Voice 23: well um i'm uh humbly mr chair i'm loathe to have it disappear completely from the purview

[5:45:14] Voice 23: of executive committee you've done so much work over the years the allen's trust has done so much

[5:45:19] Voice 23: work over the years it's frustrating yeah um and to step too far away from it might

[5:45:27] Voice 23: harm some future ability we'd have to affect an outcome here so

[5:45:30] Voice 23: So I

[5:45:31] Voice 23: think it should be kept relatively close to easy.

[5:45:36] Voice 23: Okay,

[5:45:37] Voice 25: so I'm going to let that motion stand then, and I'll ask for a seconder.

[5:45:45] Voice 25: Anybody want to second that?

[5:45:47] Voice 25: Jaguar.

[5:45:51] Voice 25: I'm going to stick to my own best practices here, I think.

[5:45:55] Voice 25: Scott Coburn, can you rephrase the motion so the lawyer can capture it and put it on the screen?

[5:46:00] Voice 25: Good point.

[5:46:00] Voice 25: yeah trust

[5:46:01] Trustee Colbourne: council add freighter anchorages back uh to add to the list of executive committee

[5:46:11] Trustee Colbourne: priorities thank

[5:46:14] Voice 25: you trustee colvin

[5:46:15] Voice 14: did i have a

[5:46:16] Voice 25: seconder yes

[5:46:18] Voice 25: yeah you know i'm i'm falling down my own best practice here sorry i'm gonna wait until the

[5:46:28] Voice 25: the motions up on the screen i

[5:46:30] Voice 28: didn't get the second uh

[5:46:32] Voice 25: oh sorry the seconder was trustee long

[5:46:34] Voice 25: rice thank you

[5:46:35] Trustee Rogers: mr a point of information mr chair it's still on our projects list it's just not on

[5:46:41] Trustee Rogers: our top priority list

[5:46:42] Voice 25: right yeah

[5:46:43] Voice 23: so i think we're just having an

[5:46:45] Voice 23: advance to the top priorities yeah

[5:46:47] Trustee Rogers: and

[5:46:47] Voice 23: it's in the strategic plan to under 94 advocate to minimize the impact of commercial

[5:46:51] Voice 23: activities on the marine environment so this

[5:46:54] Voice 25: is a re-emphasis of that okay so i think that

[5:46:56] Voice 25: advancing it to the top priorities is appropriate here um and thank everybody for supporting me in

[5:47:03] Voice 25: this uh commitment there we go

[5:47:07] Voice 25: there's a motion

[5:47:08] Voice 25: is that what you intended trustee coburn and the

[5:47:11] Voice 25: seconder yeah yeah so then um is there any discussion trustee fenton uh

[5:47:21] Trustee Fenton: yeah i mean the

[5:47:23] Trustee Fenton: The emphasis here is that we're at a nebulous point in time with the OPP window and the Anchorage Initiative windows.

[5:47:33] Trustee Fenton: So it's ongoing.

[5:47:35] Trustee Fenton: It's been ongoing for a while.

[5:47:37] Trustee Fenton: So I think it's just important that it may not take more than five minutes in the next month or two,

[5:47:43] Trustee Fenton: but it might take a lot more something else to happen or we need to be able to address it.

[5:47:48] Trustee Fenton: So until we know where it's going, that conversation is going to continue.

[5:47:53] Trustee Fenton: Right, there's pressure on Transport Canada

[5:47:56] Trustee Fenton: and I'd like to come up with a better approach.

[5:48:00] Voice 25: Well, I think that this is an enabling motion here

[5:48:05] Voice 25: which will enable me to advance this

[5:48:07] Voice 25: because I am certainly keen to advance this.

[5:48:09] Voice 25: So thank you very much, Council.

[5:48:12] Voice 25: Is there any further discussion?

[5:48:14] Voice 25: Trustee Critchley.

[5:48:17] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[5:48:18] Trustee Critchley: I'm in favor of this,

[5:48:20] Trustee Critchley: but I just want to take the opportunity

[5:48:21] Trustee Critchley: to point out once again

[5:48:23] Trustee Critchley: Again, that three times I have failed to secure the votes of council to create a marine committee, and this would fit perfectly with that.

[5:48:37] Trustee Critchley: So if anybody else wants to take up that spear at some point, I would be happy to join them.

[5:48:44] Voice 25: Well, thank you very much for that reminder, Trustee Pritchard.

[5:48:48] Voice 25: Well said.

[5:48:49] Voice 25: that um anything further uh trust defense when your hand is still up that must be something to

[5:48:56] Voice 25: do with being digitally connected on a hillside nothing further uh to be said i don't see any

[5:49:03] Voice 25: raised hands i'm going to call the vote all those in favor two hands or otherwise um so i'm seeing

[5:49:19] Voice 25: 17 hands up and my own would be 18 hands up.

[5:49:25] Voice 25: So please lower your hands and any opposed.

[5:49:37] Voice 25: Any opposed?

[5:49:38] Voice 25: I'm not seeing any opposed or nor on the screen.

[5:49:42] Voice 25: So that carries.

[5:49:44] Voice 25: Thank you very much Trustee Colburn.

[5:49:47] Voice 25: So that's our priority charts.

[5:49:48] Voice 25: Is there anything else in relation to the priority charts?

[5:49:51] Voice 25: uh okay so then um that keeps dropping off let me put that back up

[5:50:02] Voice 25: okay yeah it's one of these funny things that uh um lori and i sort of play back and forth

[5:50:08] Voice 25: she changes the screen i lose my console but there we go that's fine um so now this position

[5:50:15] Voice 25: of delegations and town hall requests.

[5:50:18] Voice 25: I did have two proposals for resolution from trustee Patrick.

[5:50:23] Voice 25: So I think I would like to bring those to the front.

[5:50:27] Voice 25: And then if there's anything else with respect

[5:50:31] Voice 25: to this position of delegations,

[5:50:32] Voice 25: and of course we always write to delegations

[5:50:35] Voice 25: and we thank them for their participation

[5:50:38] Voice 25: and make some effort to reflect what they've said

[5:50:42] Voice 25: and that will be done to all the delegations.

[5:50:44] Voice 25: and so this is now specific action above and beyond but thank you and I'll turn it through

[5:50:49] Voice 25: we've got those motions.

[5:50:50] Trustee Morrison: Point of order for a second. Yes.

[5:50:54] Trustee Morrison: Hi can I have clarity on who we're

[5:50:57] Trustee Morrison: supposed to be submitting dispositions of delegations to please?

[5:51:03] Voice 25: I'm sorry I did mention

[5:51:05] Voice 25: this yesterday that to consult with staff and to submit it to Lori is a motion so that it could be

[5:51:10] Voice 25: up on our screen.

[5:51:11] Trustee Morrison: That's wonderful so I was told that I shouldn't consult with staff in a recent

[5:51:15] Trustee Morrison: email oh

[5:51:18] Voice 25: really okay so lori has

[5:51:23] Trustee Morrison: lori has two dispositions of delegations for me thank you

[5:51:27] Trustee Morrison: i

[5:51:30] Voice 25: think we'll make a better attempt to be clear about that um so laura patrick um i'll hand the

[5:51:38] Voice 25: floor over to you initially to manage these first two items and then if there's more um we'll hear

[5:51:44] Voice 25: from trustees sure

[5:51:48] Trustee Patrick: i'll just move the motion and then we can have the discussion so i move that

[5:51:52] Trustee Patrick: that trust council direct staff to prepare a letter

[5:51:54] Trustee Patrick: from the chair addressed to provincial minister

[5:51:57] Trustee Patrick: of environment urging that the province of British Columbia

[5:52:00] Trustee Patrick: introduced a province wide ban

[5:52:01] Trustee Patrick: on the use of anticoagulant rodenticides,

[5:52:04] Trustee Patrick: which are known to move through the food chain

[5:52:06] Trustee Patrick: endangering wildlife.

[5:52:09] Voice 25: I'll second that.

[5:52:09] Voice 25: So let's

[5:52:10] Voice 25: move, seconded by whom?

[5:52:12] Voice 25: I'll second.

[5:52:13] Voice 25: Jane Wolverton, then that motion's on the screen.

[5:52:18] Voice 25: So thank you for that.

[5:52:19] Voice 25: I'm used to speak to your motion.

[5:52:21] Voice 25: I

[5:52:22] Trustee Patrick: can speak for my island. I know we do have a serious rat problem on the island in that these products are readily available in most of the stores that are on the island and are used as primarily the first choice to deal with this issue.

[5:52:41] Trustee Patrick: And very aware that it does spread in the food chain dangerously.

[5:52:45] Trustee Patrick: okay

[5:52:48] Voice 25: thank you anybody else wish to speak to this motion uh i see trustee fast pritchley and

[5:52:54] Voice 25: longer ice and alan yes

[5:52:57] Trustee Fast: thank you chair i'm in favor of this motion i think um um i've been

[5:53:02] Trustee Fast: following this issue for many years because bowen used to be a special place where we didn't have

[5:53:09] Trustee Fast: have big predators, but we had lots of small ones, raptors, and snakes. Now, we have way fewer

[5:53:18] Trustee Fast: raptors, they're not a feature like they used to be. And I think that's because of these new kinds

[5:53:25] Trustee Fast: of poisons that have entered the food chain. And I think for years, this has been an issue all over

[5:53:36] Trustee Fast: over British Columbia and I think we need to speak up on it if we want to have safe clean

[5:53:41] Trustee Fast: islands with our limited amount of biodiversity in the first place we can't afford to be putting

[5:53:47] Trustee Fast: out wildlife toxins thank you thank

[5:53:51] Voice 25: you for that uh trustee Critchley longer I sound thank you I

[5:53:57] Trustee Critchley: strongly support this motion and I I thank trustee Patrick for bringing it forward I have a question

[5:54:02] Trustee Critchley: question for staff probably then is, do I understand that we do not have the power ourselves

[5:54:09] Trustee Critchley: to ban, say, the sale and use of these sorts of rodenticides and pesticides generally?

[5:54:19] Trustee Critchley: We don't have that ability. And if we don't, is it something that we should be seeking

[5:54:24] Trustee Critchley: on behalf of the Honours Trust?

[5:54:30] Voice 25: David Mahler's screen just came on.

[5:54:33] Voice 25: over to you David.

[5:54:34] Voice 24: Yeah through the chair the local trust committee does not have that authority it's

[5:54:39] Voice 24: not a land use issue so I think that would be provincial. All

[5:54:47] Voice 25: right thank you. Next speaker

[5:54:49] Voice 25: would be Case Longerice and then Alex

[5:54:52] Voice 3: Allen. Yeah I strongly support this motion as well I mean any

[5:54:56] Voice 3: any movement to get rid of all of the toxic chemicals that we tend to use in our day-to-day

[5:55:01] Voice 3: their lives as well and as well when you think about forestry and use of the glycophate

[5:55:07] Voice 3: you know roundup and we i mean we need to move away from all these kind of chemicals and

[5:55:14] Voice 3: it's so i strongly support it and i think that i know that in our arboriparian

[5:55:21] Voice 3: regular dpa area we have a provision that they're not to use artificial chemicals

[5:55:27] Voice 3: alcohols in our DPA. I'm assuming that, so that's an authority we've got through that process anyway.

[5:55:36] Voice 25: Thank you. Trustee Alex Allen.

[5:55:41] Trustee Allen: Yeah, I'm in total support of this. And we actually, it wasn't a trustee, whatever,

[5:55:46] Trustee Allen: but it was, our local co-op will not sell rat poison at all. So if you could start locally

[5:55:53] Trustee Allen: and just work with it was the rate payers i think among a few other groups that just said don't sell

[5:55:59] Trustee Allen: it it's like we even had a what we called spray paint behind the counter because there was this

[5:56:05] Trustee Allen: big surge of graffiti everywhere so you had to ask for it so there are certain ways you can

[5:56:11] Trustee Allen: deal with it and i mean i don't have a cat because i'm allergic to cats but i've been catching a rat

[5:56:15] Trustee Allen: every every day for the last two weeks and then this morning i went to see the trap and it's not

[5:56:19] Trustee Allen: not there and I don't I'd like to know where it went

[5:56:22] Voice 13: okay

[5:56:23] Voice 25: thank you um I think that concludes

[5:56:29] Voice 25: the speakers on that motion so I'll call the vote on the first motion at the top of their screen

[5:56:34] Voice 25: all those in favor can

[5:56:43] Voice 28: you see trustee Dodds I

[5:56:46] Voice 25: can see trustee Dodds hand up thank you for

[5:56:48] Voice 25: drawing my attention to that and I don't see any other hands up but so that makes for a total of

[5:56:53] Voice 25: with 21, 22, including myself in favor.

[5:56:57] Voice 25: Any opposed or lower your hands, please.

[5:57:06] Voice 14: Any opposed?

[5:57:09] Voice 25: None opposed, I carry unanimously.

[5:57:11] Voice 25: And I'll turn the floor back to Trustee Patrick

[5:57:14] Voice 25: for her second motion.

[5:57:16] Trustee Patrick: Sure, I move that the trust council direct staff

[5:57:18] Trustee Patrick: to prepare a letter from the chair

[5:57:20] Trustee Patrick: to endorse the Kwantlen Polytechnic University's

[5:57:24] Trustee Patrick: Institute for Sustainable Food Systems Development

[5:57:27] Trustee Patrick: and implementation of an organic agriculture

[5:57:30] Trustee Patrick: and food system extension service in British Columbia

[5:57:33] Trustee Patrick: with content in the letter that outlines

[5:57:34] Trustee Patrick: that the extension service has the potential

[5:57:36] Trustee Patrick: to contribute to the island trusts,

[5:57:39] Trustee Patrick: consoles, strategic priorities

[5:57:41] Trustee Patrick: for ecosystem preservation and protection,

[5:57:44] Trustee Patrick: reconciliation and climate change mitigation

[5:57:47] Trustee Patrick: and adaptation, including food security.

[5:57:50] Voice 25: All right, thank you.

[5:57:52] Voice 25: And so I've got a second of-

[5:57:55] Voice 25: Down to a second.

[5:57:55] Voice 25: and i think trustee fenton had his digital hand up there um and so i'm going to acknowledge that

[5:58:01] Voice 25: as a seconder so um we'll get trustee fenton is seconding that he had his digital hand up hello

[5:58:09] Voice 25: there

[5:58:10] Voice 1: you go there

[5:58:10] Voice 25: it's uh i'm gonna have to think through best practices about this but this motion

[5:58:16] Voice 25: was clearly up on the screen before we uh moved and seconded it so there it is let it be um thank

[5:58:23] Voice 25: Thank you.

[5:58:23] Voice 25: A mover and seconder, Trustee Patrick used to speak to it.

[5:58:26] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I know Salt Spring has completed its area farm plan.

[5:58:30] Trustee Patrick: I know Denman is in the process of wrapping theirs up

[5:58:32] Trustee Patrick: and extension services was a particular item

[5:58:36] Trustee Patrick: that was identified as one of the actions on Salt Spring

[5:58:38] Trustee Patrick: of more and more support and education.

[5:58:41] Trustee Patrick: So I'm hoping that this program that they're doing

[5:58:44] Trustee Patrick: will feed into and support an extension service

[5:58:47] Trustee Patrick: that will benefit all of our islands.

[5:58:50] Trustee Patrick: Okay

[5:58:51] Voice 25: thank you Trustee Patrick. Trustee Fenton

[5:58:53] Voice 25: did you wish to speak to the motion?

[5:58:55] Trustee Fenton: Yeah interestingly enough I left an organic, I did not have certification but I was

[5:59:01] Trustee Fenton: left it but I was heading that way but when I started farming on my larger farm up in the

[5:59:08] Trustee Fenton: shoe shop the only extension services available to me was said was commercial farming and it was all

[5:59:14] Trustee Fenton: all about where to buy your pesticides and your poisons and uh you know which kind of grass to

[5:59:21] Trustee Fenton: grow um with fertilizers um because they wouldn't grow without them so it's good to see and i was

[5:59:28] Trustee Fenton: excited to hear that these people are actually out in the countryside going to the small corners of

[5:59:33] Trustee Fenton: bc and um providing this kind of service uh with an organic label because that to me it's about

[5:59:42] Trustee Fenton: It's about education. It's about everything goes downstream and into our waters and oceans. So that has to, once again, as mentioned earlier by Mr. Langrise, it has to stop. We have to find other ways of doing business and this kind of opportunity and expertise.

[6:00:00] Trustee Fenton: and sharing of right knowledge um would go a long ways to getting people uh in the right place and

[6:00:08] Trustee Fenton: educated about their practices um you know as we start to look for farming locally to build

[6:00:15] Trustee Fenton: resilience through climate change efforts the downside to that if it's done conventionally

[6:00:20] Trustee Fenton: we're going to be in big trouble so i fully support it and i hope it is able to help us out

[6:00:30] Voice 25: Thank you. Any other speakers on the motion? I see Trustee Fast, Trustee Allen. Motion on your screen.

[6:00:38] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair. I just want to speak in support of this motion.

[6:00:41] Trustee Fast: I think as somebody who's been helping my neighbors here who are in their, well, one neighbor, a couple of neighbors remaining, daughters of the pioneers, really, in their 90s and helping them with their heritage farm.

[6:00:56] Trustee Fast: farm, there haven't been any tools that are available to small, what I call pocket farms

[6:01:02] Trustee Fast: on Bowen Island that are related to organic extension, as it's called, unless you take a

[6:01:11] Trustee Fast: co-op course from Guelph or something. I wanted to say the timing is good with

[6:01:20] Trustee Fast: With COVID, you can't buy the seeds you want to buy.

[6:01:24] Trustee Fast: They're all sold out.

[6:01:25] Trustee Fast: And with this Zoom town idea, people moving out of the city to live,

[6:01:32] Trustee Fast: I don't think it's really back to the land,

[6:01:34] Trustee Fast: but if they are going to have a garden or a farm,

[6:01:38] Trustee Fast: let's get them started with these tools.

[6:01:41] Trustee Fast: The timing is right.

[6:01:42] Trustee Fast: This program is here.

[6:01:43] Trustee Fast: I support this motion.

[6:01:44] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[6:01:46] Voice 25: Trustee Fass.

[6:01:48] Voice 25: trustee allen's hand has gone down now but it's back up again so trustee allen i'm

[6:01:54] Trustee Allen: sorry i'm

[6:01:55] Trustee Allen: having issues in my hand i'm not okay

[6:01:59] Voice 25: thank you then

[6:02:01] Voice 25: so then that uh then uh does it for speakers

[6:02:04] Voice 25: on the motion so i'll call the vote all those in favor of the motion on the screen and uh trustee

[6:02:16] Voice 25: dodds on the screen up there so that makes again 22 members in favor hands down please remaining

[6:02:36] Voice 14: There's a remaining hand there, Trustee Morrison.

[6:02:41] Voice 14: Well, I'm

[6:02:42] Voice 25: going to call all those opposed.

[6:02:46] Voice 25: There appears to be none opposed,

[6:02:48] Voice 25: so that carries unanimously.

[6:02:49] Voice 25: And that concludes those two motions.

[6:02:52] Voice 25: So I'll ask if there's any other motions from the floor

[6:02:55] Voice 25: or that have been emailed to Laurie to put up on the screen

[6:02:59] Voice 25: with respect to the delegations.

[6:03:01] Voice 25: Anybody?

[6:03:03] Voice 25: I see Trustee Critchley hands up.

[6:03:07] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[6:03:08] Trustee Critchley: I don't want to introduce anything new,

[6:03:10] Trustee Critchley: but uh just to make a note that with regard to the submission of mr sketch that was quite detailed

[6:03:17] Trustee Critchley: when he put a lot of work and thought into it i was going to move that be forwarded to

[6:03:22] Trustee Critchley: the trust programs committee but then when i looked at it closer i saw it was already addressed

[6:03:27] Trustee Critchley: to them and it's been agreed by staff and chair that that will happen so there's no need for a

[6:03:33] Trustee Critchley: motion but i just wanted the public or mr sketch to know that thank you okay thank you very much

[6:03:38] Voice 25: then um so we can make sure that that is added in the letter that we send to mr sketch so thank you

[6:03:45] Voice 25: for that is there anybody else that has anything um my speakers list here again um that they wish

[6:03:53] Voice 25: to address uh with delegations and i see trustee morrison yes

[6:03:59] Trustee Morrison: and uh thank thank you for that uh

[6:04:02] Trustee Morrison: trustee critchley because i had thought about that yesterday too but it's fine it's it's already

[6:04:07] Trustee Morrison: already forwarded to the trust programs committee. So thank you for that. Um, with respect to the

[6:04:12] Trustee Morrison: immerse, um, delegation, I, um, put out a couple of modes. I talked to immerse this morning and

[6:04:20] Trustee Morrison: put out a motion to a couple of staff just for feedback, because I just wanted to make sure

[6:04:26] Trustee Morrison: relative to reconciliation and other things that it was appropriate. Um, so I think the motion that

[6:04:32] Trustee Morrison: that I'm gonna suggest, and Laurie, did you get it?

[6:04:35] Trustee Morrison: It's the sort of culmination of a stream

[6:04:38] Trustee Morrison: of conversation today to make sure

[6:04:40] Trustee Morrison: that we're not going too far.

[6:04:42] Trustee Morrison: So I'm gonna ask actually,

[6:04:43] Trustee Morrison: did this be a staff recommendation request

[6:04:45] Trustee Morrison: as opposed to a direct motion

[6:04:46] Trustee Morrison: for us to do anything specifically right now?

[6:04:49] Trustee Morrison: So that the trust council asked staff

[6:04:52] Trustee Morrison: to provide recommendations on how to broaden engagement

[6:04:54] Trustee Morrison: and capacity building with local communities,

[6:04:56] Trustee Morrison: particularly with respect to involving First Nations

[6:04:58] Trustee Morrison: in the work of the trust area.

[6:05:00] Trustee Morrison: So

[6:05:02] Voice 25: that's moved by Trustee Morrison, that motion up on the screen as I see a number

[6:05:07] Voice 25: of seconders, Trustee Peterson, Mesquite Island and thank you Trustee Morrison, this is exactly

[6:05:16] Voice 25: what I had suggested for advancing of motions and this is well crafted, thank you.

[6:05:24] Voice 25: Do you wish to speak to the motion?

[6:05:26] Voice 25: I

[6:05:28] Trustee Morrison: think just as to say that thanks to all the staff for their quick and timely advice today and trying to make sure because I had two different motions that this started as this morning.

[6:05:38] Trustee Morrison: So having that ability to iterate with staff and to make sure that we're not stepping on anything with respect to how how we go forward on these motions was helpful.

[6:05:47] Trustee Morrison: So thank you for that.

[6:05:49] Trustee Morrison: And this is really trying to address the idea

[6:05:52] Trustee Morrison: of having local peoples, First Nations peoples

[6:05:56] Trustee Morrison: for the trust area involved in the work

[6:05:59] Trustee Morrison: and with working side by side with us, if we can,

[6:06:02] Trustee Morrison: wherever we can, whatever that looks like.

[6:06:05] Voice 25: Brilliant, thank you.

[6:06:07] Voice 25: Is there any discussion

[6:06:09] Voice 25: or would the seconder like to speak to the motion?

[6:06:11] Voice 25: Otherwise, I'll just go to my list here.

[6:06:16] Voice 21: I'll just say that I support this motion

[6:06:19] Voice 21: and I thank Trustee Morrison for putting it together.

[6:06:22] Voice 21: Thank you.

[6:06:23] Voice 25: Indeed.

[6:06:23] Voice 25: So Trustee Allen, Trustee Bishakin.

[6:06:32] Trustee Allen: It's the bloody hand again.

[6:06:34] Trustee Allen: I'm sorry, excuse me.

[6:06:35] Trustee Allen: It's my hand.

[6:06:36] Trustee Allen: Okay, Trustee Bishakin.

[6:06:38] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, just a question for clarification.

[6:06:41] Trustee Busheikin: In the work of the trust area,

[6:06:44] Trustee Busheikin: does that like,

[6:06:47] Trustee Busheikin: perhaps that just means in the work of the Islands Trust,

[6:06:50] Trustee Busheikin: trust or is it in the work um of trust area services or what does that mean exactly

[6:06:58] Trustee Morrison: it's

[6:07:00] Trustee Morrison: in the region of the trust area so as much as whatever that is whether we're advocating for

[6:07:05] Trustee Morrison: others whatever that is and i think we wait for the recommendations of staff so i wanted to leave

[6:07:10] Trustee Morrison: it intentionally vague but

[6:07:13] Trustee Busheikin: it's islands trust work like it isn't like i was trust work okay

[6:07:16] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, that's fine.

[6:07:17] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, I just wanted to make sure.

[6:07:19] Voice 25: So let's just insert the word islands before trust areas.

[6:07:22] Voice 25: That's a right to the mover,

[6:07:24] Voice 25: just to be sure that we're clear about that.

[6:07:26] Voice 25: Thank you.

[6:07:28] Voice 25: And I got a nod approval from the mover.

[6:07:32] Voice 25: We'll call that a friendly amendment.

[6:07:35] Voice 25: And so

[6:07:35] Voice 13: then I don't

[6:07:36] Voice 25: see any other speakers

[6:07:38] Voice 25: and the seconder's happy and I'll call to the vote.

[6:07:41] Voice 25: All those in favor.

[6:07:42] Voice 25: All kinds of digital hands, including Janine Dodds.

[6:07:49] Voice 25: thank you Janine

[6:07:51] Voice 25: in favor

[6:07:52] Voice 25: makes us 22 in favor which I think

[6:07:55] Voice 25: is unanimous but

[6:07:56] Voice 25: I will ask you to lower your hands

[6:07:59] Voice 25: and then just say any opposed

[6:08:01] Voice 25: once the hands are all lowered

[6:08:06] Voice 14: okay

[6:08:07] Voice 25: any opposed

[6:08:09] Voice 25: none opposed

[6:08:10] Voice 25: so that's added to the

[6:08:12] Voice 25: list of things so thank you very much

[6:08:15] Voice 25: anything else

[6:08:16] Voice 25: with regard to this position of delegations

[6:08:20] Voice 25: and town hall requests not seeing any hands on the screen or there so i thank you for your uh

[6:08:31] Voice 25: listening and uh and responding to our citizens um that's very much appreciated um so uh before

[6:08:40] Voice 25: you next on our schedule here is the june trust council draft schedule and um imagine we'll get

[6:08:48] Voice 25: that popped up on the screen um this is obviously just the first penciled out drawing of what this

[6:08:57] Voice 25: might look like um and uh given from what we've experienced today and uh what our expectations

[6:09:04] Voice 25: might be as you can see it's very uh rough um are there any immediate remarks or thoughts um

[6:09:15] Voice 25: And then I, with respect to the June Trust Council schedule, and I guess reflecting on how everything's gone this last three days, what things would you like to see improved, I suppose, is the honest way to make that.

[6:09:32] Voice 25: So I'm going to pull up my list here. I got three participants with their hands up. Peterson, Wolverton, Rogers.

[6:09:49] Voice 21: I just have a comment about the Delegations and Town Hall evening session leading up to

[6:10:01] Voice 21: December Trust Council.

[6:10:02] Voice 21: There was some discussion about trying to hold that evening session perhaps a week before

[6:10:09] Voice 21: for trust council um i feel confident i'm not the only uh uh person involved who found that 12-hour

[6:10:20] Voice 21: day extremely challenging um and i wonder if uh we can put any more consideration into uh looking

[6:10:31] Voice 21: again at how we schedule that you know I think we all I'm certainly that are our absolute best to

[6:10:43] Voice 21: to concentrate and be present and be aware but it's I found it very challenging you know that

[6:10:51] Voice 21: length of a day and so I'd like there to be further consideration on how we organize that

[6:10:57] Voice 21: certainly

[6:11:00] Voice 25: thank you um there's no doubt ec will be considering that and uh you folks can speak

[6:11:05] Voice 25: up now or send us some recommendations in writing and we appreciate comments with respect to how

[6:11:11] Voice 25: things have unfolded um so i'm going to go to my speakers list here uh and wolverton rogers

[6:11:18] Voice 25: and shaken just let you know i accidentally skipped over correspondence so i'm going to

[6:11:22] Voice 25: speak to correspondence uh as soon as we finish with this draft schedule um so trustee wolverton

[6:11:29] Voice 25: uh

[6:11:30] Voice 18: yes i just uh in the trustee summary updates um just would like to add the southern gulf islands

[6:11:36] Voice 18: forum so that's a standing uh issue standing item yes

[6:11:43] Voice 25: okay um i think that'll be reflected

[6:11:45] Voice 25: uh in our work so uh trustee rogers shaken um

[6:11:54] Trustee Rogers: thanks just a couple of things um first

[6:11:58] Trustee Rogers: First, I'm going to guess without knowing that without an all-day, without the budget and the trust policy statement, my guess is the first day will probably be a half day.

[6:12:09] Trustee Rogers: But that's just a guess.

[6:12:11] Trustee Rogers: And one thing to consider is whether you would rather have the town hall, for example, the Monday night before the Tuesday meeting.

[6:12:21] Trustee Rogers: We talked about that and decided not to do it.

[6:12:24] Trustee Rogers: But I think we'd be open to considering that as an alternative.

[6:12:29] Trustee Rogers: I think there are some challenges having it the week before, just because the package is not necessarily out that long before the, you know, it comes out about 10 days before Trust Council.

[6:12:39] Trustee Rogers: Council and just I don't see it on the agenda but just so you know we're we've given direction to

[6:12:45] Trustee Rogers: for an education session around postcard response which may or may not be part of a

[6:12:52] Trustee Rogers: coil spill response may or may not be part of the trust council it might be an education session

[6:12:59] Trustee Rogers: before I think it's important and information so just if people have any feedback on that thank you

[6:13:08] Trustee Rogers: And thank you.

[6:13:11] Voice 25: Boushek and Morrison, and I think Wilberton and Rogers, you'll lower your hands.

[6:13:16] Trustee Busheikin: I was also going to suggest the Monday night for the town hall and delegations as an option.

[6:13:24] Trustee Busheikin: And also that maybe continuous education could be done as separate events.

[6:13:31] Trustee Busheikin: So those are my suggestions.

[6:13:33] Trustee Busheikin: And then just also, there was the briefing from Trustee Johnston about the model bylaws and that kind of just passed by.

[6:13:43] Trustee Busheikin: Are we going to discuss that or that was just received for information?

[6:13:48] Voice 25: It's under correspondence.

[6:13:52] Voice 25: You're going to return to it.

[6:13:53] Voice 25: And we're going to return to that.

[6:13:54] Trustee Busheikin: Perfect. Wonderful. Thank you.

[6:13:56] Voice 25: Thank you.

[6:13:58] Voice 25: So, Trustee Morrison?

[6:14:01] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, so what I don't see really clearly on here is the time that we were going to require

[6:14:07] Trustee Morrison: for the first reading of the trust policy statement.

[6:14:11] Voice 25: Yeah, and that's too early to have that level of detail, but

[6:14:15] Trustee Morrison: that would be in the trust

[6:14:16] Voice 25: area services section, which would be the

[6:14:18] Voice 25: Wednesday from 11 o'clock on.

[6:14:20] Voice 25: But of course, this is only a snapshot of how we see it.

[6:14:25] Voice 25: it it moves around quite a bit in the intervening months but that's sort of what we're planning

[6:14:30] Voice 25: more or less just to

[6:14:31] Trustee Morrison: finish just to finish i think from my understanding of the project timeline and

[6:14:36] Trustee Morrison: where we're at on on the progress for that we will need a fairly significant amount of time on the

[6:14:42] Trustee Morrison: schedule for the trust policy statement for the like actual bylaw pieces to look at and it would

[6:14:49] Trustee Morrison: be beneficial to have the town hall on the monday before to inform that conversation if it was on

[6:14:54] Trustee Morrison: the tuesday

[6:14:54] Voice 25: right so uh town hall is presently scheduled for tuesday so indeed that could happen

[6:15:00] Voice 25: on the monday and um yeah it's completely in flux and uh we will be taking that stuff into

[6:15:07] Voice 25: consideration as we get closer and um we'll certainly be engaging with you of course um on

[6:15:14] Voice 25: on that particular topic uh and trustee rogers do you have something to add on that particular note

[6:15:21] Voice 25: I

[6:15:23] Trustee Rogers: just wanted to say the original plan was to have a special trust council to deal just with

[6:15:28] Trustee Rogers: that and I'm not quite sure what the director is thinking about that is right now so so I might

[6:15:34] Voice 25: let the director speak for herself but I think that we're at this point thinking about including

[6:15:39] Voice 25: that in the council agenda trust I did see a director

[6:15:43] Voice 25: traders come up there so over to you

[6:15:48] Voice 30: Yes, thank you, Chair.

[6:15:50] Voice 30: We have amended at the staff level the timeline to have first reading in June,

[6:15:55] Voice 30: and we plan to bring a revised project charter to Executive Committee at their next meeting just to confirm that change.

[6:16:01] Voice 30: This is in response to just how it's playing out, but also in response to the First Nations engagement timeline,

[6:16:08] Voice 30: such that we have a proper span of time to properly consider the incoming feedback and comments.

[6:16:15] Voice 25: Okay. So that's really terrific feedback. Thank you. Thank you, Trustee Morrison.

[6:16:21] Voice 25: So now I'll move on to Trustee Brent.

[6:16:28] Voice 14: So

[6:16:28] Voice 10: I understand the need to meet for three days when we're physically getting together to reduce transportation and associated costs.

[6:16:40] Voice 10: us. But it seems sort of insane to me and anyone that I've spoken to about the length and duration

[6:16:50] Voice 10: of these meetings during the pandemic and the fact that we have to Zoom. When you tell people

[6:16:56] Voice 10: that you're Zooming from 9 a.m. till 9 p.m. and people in the industry, they go, are you insane?

[6:17:06] Voice 10: insane is this about reducing your effectiveness as much as possible so why can't we do this

[6:17:12] Voice 10: over a few days and not have these insanely long days uh sitting in front of a screen

[6:17:20] Voice 10: you know is that thinking too far outside the box for us to contemplate or

[6:17:25] Voice 10: because it's about effectiveness well

[6:17:28] Voice 25: i can't answer that question but i can't disagree with

[6:17:32] Voice 25: with you, but I think personally,

[6:17:34] Voice 25: I'm not sure what council's interest would be

[6:17:37] Voice 25: about the spectacle of a five day meeting

[6:17:41] Voice 25: of four hours a day or something like that.

[6:17:46] Voice 25: But you're right about this being pretty intense.

[6:17:51] Voice 10: Or how about a couple of days of four hour sessions

[6:17:55] Voice 10: and then a

[6:17:56] Voice 10: break of a few days and then a couple more.

[6:17:59] Voice 10: It doesn't all have to be clustered.

[6:18:02] Voice 10: I mean, the rest of the world has meetings and sort of other governments over different time periods.

[6:18:10] Voice 10: They break them up a bit, particularly now.

[6:18:15] Voice 10: It's something to consider.

[6:18:17] Voice 25: Definitely is.

[6:18:18] Voice 25: But, of course, as we move into the fall, we may be changing how we're meeting again.

[6:18:23] Voice 25: So I think that some suggestions brought to the executive committee would be considered, and we can bring it to council for decision making.

[6:18:33] Voice 25: and we can certainly look at the realm of possibilities.

[6:18:37] Voice 25: At the moment, we've had difficulty with the number,

[6:18:41] Voice 25: there's been problems with each of the methods

[6:18:44] Voice 25: that we've chose to deliver this content.

[6:18:48] Voice 25: And certainly I would have been happier this week

[6:18:51] Voice 25: with four days, but there we have it.

[6:18:54] Voice 25: So thank you, Trustee Brent.

[6:18:55] Voice 25: I'm hearing exactly what you're saying

[6:18:57] Voice 25: and feel it too as I'm sure the rest of the council does.

[6:19:02] Voice 25: I'm not seeing any other hands up on the schedule so again please feedback by email would be

[6:19:09] Voice 25: appreciated so I'm going to go to court back to correspondence which I skipped over I apologize

[6:19:14] Voice 25: for that as you know there was a number of pieces of correspondence that came to you in

[6:19:22] Voice 25: in two separate packages, I think, that was received as late correspondence.

[6:19:32] Voice 25: There was also, as many of you I'm sure are aware, there was a bit of an email campaign,

[6:19:39] Voice 25: which if I'm not mistaken, every single trustee received a copy of. It was never formally actually

[6:19:47] Voice 25: actually sent to council or to staff, and so didn't end up being embraced in the agenda package

[6:19:56] Voice 25: for that. We don't actually have any policy with respect to that kind of an electronic

[6:20:04] Voice 25: campaign where it's being blind carbon copied to an unknown number of people,

[6:20:11] Voice 25: although it would appear from the website, which I did visit, that it appeared that the ability

[6:20:17] Voice 25: the existing descendant to some or all trustees um but i'm presuming that all trustees was the intent

[6:20:25] Voice 25: um so just want you to be aware of that but i think all of you have received the bulk of

[6:20:31] Voice 25: those i think there was 60 70 80 roughly from and it was interesting centered on salt spring island

[6:20:40] Voice 25: from the electronic publication there.

[6:20:47] Voice 25: And it was interesting, Hornby Island and Salt Spring Island,

[6:20:51] Voice 25: but many others throughout even the lower mainland

[6:20:54] Voice 25: picked up on it.

[6:20:55] Voice 25: And for all I know, other parts of the world picked up on it

[6:21:00] Voice 25: and we received quite a volume of email

[6:21:03] Voice 25: with respect to the decisions

[6:21:06] Voice 25: that we've actually now addressed in the last two days.

[6:21:10] Voice 25: um and i guess a leading question there is whether or not council has a it becomes a management issue

[6:21:18] Voice 25: um whether or not council really wants to see uh all of the 60 70 80 pieces of correspondence

[6:21:25] Voice 25: which might evolve into hundreds of pieces of correspondence in your agenda package

[6:21:31] Voice 25: so i'll uh just turn to my speakers list and uh ask if there's any questions about the

[6:21:37] Voice 25: the correspondence that you've received,

[6:21:40] Voice 25: the model bylaw, particularly there, Peter Johnson.

[6:21:43] Voice 25: And I'll just go to Trustee Brent and then Fast

[6:21:46] Voice 25: with respect to correspondence.

[6:21:53] Voice 10: Forgot to drop hands, sorry.

[6:21:55] Voice 14: Okay, that's good.

[6:21:56] Voice 14: Thank you, Trustee Brent.

[6:21:57] Voice 14: Trustee Fast.

[6:22:03] Voice 14: Yes, I'd like to

[6:22:04] Trustee Fast: speak to the form letters

[6:22:05] Trustee Fast: that you just spoke about, Chair.

[6:22:09] Trustee Fast: I'll note that of those form letters,

[6:22:12] Trustee Fast: over 35 of them were from Hornby.

[6:22:14] Trustee Fast: so i just counted up ones that i'm of the local um on the local trust committee for and four of

[6:22:21] Trustee Fast: them at least were from denman and two from gabriola one from south pender lots from salt

[6:22:26] Trustee Fast: spring those were the ones i noticed so when i was for the ones that i was a uh on the local trust

[6:22:32] Trustee Fast: uh committee for for uh mostly the hornby and the denman one and some denman i um uh responded to

[6:22:41] Trustee Fast: them inviting them to come to the open house um for the uh policy statement update and um and to

[6:22:49] Trustee Fast: this meeting just to let them know that i'd received some of them were not form letters

[6:22:56] Trustee Fast: there were personalized and and some of them were very articulate and uh there was a couple of them

[6:23:02] Trustee Fast: that were voices we don't usually hear including young people and uh and uh a bit somebody in

[6:23:10] Trustee Fast: construction you know voices that we don't hear very often so i um the ones that i uh noticed

[6:23:18] Trustee Fast: that were uh definitely um personalized um and that uh seemed to be substantial and they had

[6:23:26] Trustee Fast: something to add i forwarded those um after a brief email conversation with claire i forwarded

[6:23:33] Trustee Fast: them to um islands 2050 at islandstrust.bc.ca it was only you know four five six maybe and uh and

[6:23:44] Trustee Fast: then what they did is respond to the uh writer saying your letter has been forwarded to islands

[6:23:52] Trustee Fast: 2050 do you want it on the public record do you agree that it be submitted and giving them a

[6:23:57] Trustee Fast: chance to say yes or no so i thought that um it's worth uh i i read them and um there were some uh

[6:24:06] Trustee Fast: good input in there from the public that just came in through this unusual uh source so i uh i just

[6:24:13] Trustee Fast: um that's one way to deal with it and i wanted to let uh trust council know that that's what i'd

[6:24:19] Trustee Fast: done thank you okay

[6:24:22] Voice 25: thank you christy we shaken long rice uh

[6:24:31] Trustee Busheikin: thank you yeah i just want to speak

[6:24:33] Trustee Busheikin: speak to um trustee johnston's um uh briefing or letter here um i i think he raises some really

[6:24:43] Trustee Busheikin: good points and i know that um i mean i know the model bylaws uh are part of a sort of a vision

[6:24:50] Trustee Busheikin: for the future but when i first became a trustee i remember we got a report i didn't even really

[6:24:55] Trustee Busheikin: know what a bottle model bylaw was back then about if they'd been uh if they'd had uptake and

[6:25:00] Trustee Busheikin: and the answer was not encouraging. This was 2011. I don't know where that report is.

[6:25:07] Trustee Busheikin: And it's not that I would want to change course entirely, but yeah, I just wanted, maybe we could

[6:25:14] Trustee Busheikin: I'm curious what other trustees think of forwarding this to RPC for consideration.

[6:25:19] Trustee Busheikin: I think that when we create model bylaws, in some cases, maybe we don't need a full bylaw,

[6:25:25] Trustee Busheikin: Or we could have some adjunct material that would be something like what Trustee Johnston is describing, because that also, I think, creates regional synergies and maybe efficiencies if there's, you know, info sheets or briefing papers that can be used for trustees, that can be used for communications material,

[6:25:49] Trustee Busheikin: that can be folded into introductory analytical staff reports to go with these model bylaws or

[6:25:55] Trustee Busheikin: just backgrounders so that we're not each of us having to start from scratch or go behind the

[6:26:01] Trustee Busheikin: scenes like some of us have done. Like I've gone to the main LTC website to read about their

[6:26:08] Trustee Busheikin: housing project. And I did that of my own initiative because I heard about it. But if

[6:26:12] Trustee Busheikin: this could be gathered in a more formal way to accompany model bylaws, I think that has a lot

[6:26:19] Trustee Busheikin: of promise um so uh yeah i would i would like to forward this to regional planning committee i

[6:26:26] Trustee Busheikin: don't know if that needs a motion that

[6:26:29] Voice 25: would require a motion trustee okay

[6:26:31] Trustee Busheikin: then i'm going

[6:26:33] Trustee Busheikin: to move that the uh briefing from peter johnson on the subject of model bylaws be forwarded to

[6:26:41] Trustee Busheikin: to Regional Planning Committee for its consideration.

[6:26:44] Voice 3: I'll second that.

[6:26:47] Voice 3: Trustee

[6:26:47] Voice 25: Longerice is seconded in that.

[6:26:50] Voice 25: Let's get that up on the screen to be sure.

[6:26:57] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you, and I have spoken.

[6:26:59] Voice 25: Thank you.

[6:27:17] Voice 25: Thank you, Lori.

[6:27:19] Voice 25: So there's the motion in the middle of the screen.

[6:27:23] Voice 25: Moved by Trustee Beshaken.

[6:27:24] Voice 25: I think it was seconded by Trustee Longerice.

[6:27:28] Voice 25: And I think the mover said that she's spoken to the motion.

[6:27:31] Voice 25: Trustee Longer, do you wish to speak to the motion?

[6:27:34] Voice 3: Yes, I do.

[6:27:35] Voice 3: Yeah, I think this is an interesting way to go.

[6:27:38] Voice 3: I mean, we have been creating model bylaws,

[6:27:45] Voice 3: another way of trying to deal with some of the issues

[6:27:48] Voice 3: that we have.

[6:27:49] Voice 3: So I think it's really worthwhile considering.

[6:27:54] Voice 25: Thank you.

[6:27:55] Voice 25: And so Trustee Morrison, do you wish to speak to the motion?

[6:28:02] Trustee Morrison: Yes, I'm in favor of this motion.

[6:28:04] Trustee Morrison: I am struggling to understand why this idea, which I think is very much what we're talking about, about proactive planning work is favored right now, but has been, you know, resourcing it, like I suggested earlier, is a challenge.

[6:28:28] Trustee Morrison: That's all I have to say.

[6:28:29] Trustee Morrison: Thank

[6:28:32] Voice 25: you, Trustee Morrison. Any other speakers on the motion before you? Then I'm trusting

[6:28:39] Voice 25: for shaking your hand is up and I'm assuming that's just left over. So I'm going to call

[6:28:43] Voice 25: the vote on the motion. All those in favor, please. And I see Trustee Dodd's hand is raised.

[6:28:59] Voice 25: So that would be 18. I think the hands are already dropping. Must be getting tired. And

[6:29:05] Voice 25: And so please lower your hands.

[6:29:07] Voice 25: 18 in favor, I think that's what I saw.

[6:29:10] Voice 25: Please lower your hands.

[6:29:14] Voice 25: Lower, lower, lower.

[6:29:17] Voice 25: Steve Grove, lower your hand.

[6:29:23] Voice 25: Any opposed?

[6:29:24] Voice 25: Not seeing any opposed, so that carries.

[6:29:35] Voice 25: And I thank you for that.

[6:29:37] Voice 25: And thank you, Trustee Johnson,

[6:29:40] Voice 25: for bearing in our attention

[6:29:41] Voice 25: and Trustee Bichetkin for taking it on.

[6:29:43] Voice 13: I

[6:29:44] Voice 25: think you'll punish me.

[6:29:44] Voice 25: Okay, anything else with correspondence?

[6:29:50] Voice 25: Looking at the list here, I don't see any hands.

[6:29:55] Voice 25: Any hands on the screen?

[6:29:56] Voice 25: No hands on the screen.

[6:30:00] Voice 25: And if I'm not mistaken, and somebody could offer advice, if I am, that would conclude our agenda for today, 10 minutes after three.

[6:30:13] Voice 25: And so, before I ask for adjournment, though, I see Trustee Fass stand up.

[6:30:20] Trustee Fast: Chair, you mentioned other letters that had come to us as late items.

[6:30:25] Voice 25: They were sent to you in an email.

[6:30:26] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you.

[6:30:30] Voice 25: Council I want to thank you for a remarkable amount of work over the last three days

[6:30:39] Voice 25: and it honestly hasn't been easy for everyone we've tackled some really significant important

[6:30:45] Voice 25: issues and we will continue to tackle those issues until we come to some agreement on how to

[6:30:52] Voice 25: to advance this work and seek greater clarity

[6:30:57] Voice 25: in how we can do better work.

[6:31:00] Voice 25: So I just want to humbly raise my hands to you

[6:31:03] Voice 25: and thank you all for this work

[6:31:05] Voice 25: and thank all of our staff for providing us the materials

[6:31:10] Voice 25: to understand the questions before us

[6:31:13] Voice 25: and the work of consulting with our communities.

[6:31:15] Voice 25: And of course, all of the input that we do receive

[6:31:18] Voice 25: from our communities.

[6:31:18] Voice 25: So, and again, echo, looking at the, you know, looking at the pictures behind all of you on the screen here, the joy and the bliss that we receive by living and working in Coachella's territory and the rich history that is here for us and for everyone.

[6:31:37] Voice 25: And I thank those nations for the history and culture and richness that they bring to us here.

[6:31:44] Voice 25: here. Without anything further, I'll ask for a motion to adjourn. Trustee Allen, unless you

[6:31:50] Voice 25: had something else to say? No? Okay. I

[6:31:53] Trustee Allen: was going to say, you know, in terms of lovely scenic

[6:31:55] Trustee Allen: backgrounds, maybe that should be mandatory for all of us to have scenic backgrounds of all our

[6:32:01] Trustee Allen: islands in our press council meetings.

[6:32:03] Voice 25: Well, I think we'll make that voluntary, to be quite

[6:32:07] Voice 25: honest, but I appreciate that thought. I certainly enjoy taking advantage of that myself.

[6:32:14] Voice 25: All right.

[6:32:15] Trustee Grove: Can I get them? Chair, if I may, I would like to thank you on behalf of all of us

[6:32:20] Trustee Grove: for a masterful job. Thank you. Once again, led us through a difficult, it's a very difficult

[6:32:25] Trustee Grove: thing to do on this Zoom, and you did a great job. Thank you. You're here. Likewise.

[6:32:34] Voice 23: Peter Johnson.

[6:32:38] Voice 15: I'd like to move adjournment, but first I'd like to thank the members of the public

[6:32:44] Voice 15: that have stuck through this, all these three days.

[6:32:47] Voice 15: And I'd also like to thank our housemates, spouses,

[6:32:50] Voice 15: and partners who support us in spending our time this way.

[6:32:55] Voice 15: Thank you, and I move adjournment.

[6:32:57] Voice 15: And I'm going to vote by hitting my leave button.

[6:33:00] Voice 25: Seconded by Trustee Groh.

[6:33:02] Voice 25: All those in favor?

[6:33:03] Voice 25: That carries.

[6:33:04] Voice 25: I wish you all the best for the weekend

[6:33:07] Voice 25: and the spring days ahead of us,

[6:33:09] Voice 25: and we'll see you all in June.

[6:33:11] Voice 25: Thank you, everyone.

[6:33:12] Voice 25: Travel safely.

[6:33:14] Voice 25: thanks everybody

[6:33:15] Voice 25: bye bye now

[6:33:17] Voice 25: happy spring