Hornby Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, March 26, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Fast: Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the Hornby Local Trust Committee meeting of March 26, 2001.

[0:00:10] Trustee Fast: My name is Sue Ellen Fast, and I'm the chair of the Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:15] Trustee Fast: I'm coming to you, I'm a vice chair of the Islands Trust, coming to you from Bowen Island, also known as Nuklelequem or Kualakam in Howe Sound.

[0:00:23] Trustee Fast: And with me today are trustees, your local trustees, Alex Allen.

[0:00:28] Trustee Fast: Alan. You want to just wave your hand there, Alex. There you are. Thank

[0:00:32] Trustee Fast: you. And Grant Scott.

[0:00:34] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Good morning, gentlemen. And we've also got with us, well, let me just get back to

[0:00:42] Trustee Fast: my speaking notes here. And I want to begin by acknowledging that we're meeting with respect

[0:00:49] Trustee Fast: digitally across the Salish Sea and Coast Nation Salish Territory, Coast Salish Territory, sorry,

[0:00:56] Trustee Fast: sorry, especially the unceded territories

[0:00:58] Trustee Fast: of the Comox First Nation today.

[0:01:02] Trustee Fast: And this is obviously an electronic meeting

[0:01:09] Trustee Fast: because of COVID-19.

[0:01:11] Trustee Fast: And we're being live streamed and recorded

[0:01:14] Trustee Fast: just so everybody knows.

[0:01:17] Trustee Fast: And later it'll be available as video on demand

[0:01:21] Trustee Fast: at the Islands Trust website.

[0:01:23] Trustee Fast: So when we get to the town hall portion of the meeting,

[0:01:26] Trustee Fast: if you'd like to speak to your local trustees then you can raise your digital hand and to do

[0:01:32] Trustee Fast: that you'll need to if you're on the zoom the raise hand icon will be there at the bottom of

[0:01:38] Trustee Fast: your screen somewhere or if you're on a phone it'll be star nine to raise your hand and star

[0:01:44] Trustee Fast: six to unmute and so we appreciate your bearing with us we may have technical challenges sometimes

[0:01:52] Trustee Fast: we do sometimes others do and so let's all bear with each other so I've got to

[0:02:00] Trustee Fast: introduce some staff people that are with us today there's a number of them

[0:02:06] Trustee Fast: because during COVID with electronic meetings you can get a full cohort of

[0:02:12] Trustee Fast: staff everybody who's been actually been working on the reports and it's great so

[0:02:16] Trustee Fast: I'd just like to introduce our regional planning manager Heather Cower there she

[0:02:20] Trustee Fast: She's kind of the organizer of the planners and the manager of the work.

[0:02:26] Trustee Fast: And I'm introducing also Vicky Bachman down there.

[0:02:30] Trustee Fast: She's our meeting minute taker.

[0:02:31] Trustee Fast: And this is going to be her last day with the Hornby Local Trust Committee.

[0:02:36] Trustee Fast: So, yes.

[0:02:37] Trustee Fast: So we'll enjoy

[0:02:38] Trustee Fast: Vicky for one last day behind the scenes.

[0:02:42] Trustee Fast: We probably won't see much of her, but she'll be capturing the notes from this business meeting.

[0:02:47] Trustee Fast: It's the public business.

[0:02:48] Trustee Fast: business. Thank you, Vicki. And we've also got with us today, Jamie Dabena, Planner Dabena. Thank

[0:02:58] Trustee Fast: you. Morning, Jamie. And we'll see her when it's time for her report. And Planner Teresa Mahikwa.

[0:03:06] Trustee Fast: Uh-oh. Mahikwa. Thank you. And who's with us as well. And Planner Ian Cox. Morning, Ian. And

[0:03:19] Trustee Fast: And I think we're going to have Planner Courtney Simpson with us later.

[0:03:24] Trustee Fast: No? Okay.

[0:03:25] Trustee Fast: Just draw a line through that one.

[0:03:27] Trustee Fast: And we will probably have a visit from Lisa Wilcox,

[0:03:32] Trustee Fast: who is our Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor.

[0:03:38] Trustee Fast: And so bear with us while we try and find people at the right time

[0:03:45] Trustee Fast: to bring them in to join us in the meeting.

[0:03:48] Trustee Fast: I see we've got six attendees who are with us on the Zoom meeting.

[0:03:53] Trustee Fast: Hello, everybody.

[0:03:54] Trustee Fast: And one of them is on a phone call, phoning in.

[0:03:58] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:03:58] Trustee Fast: And we may have others who are watching us on live stream.

[0:04:01] Trustee Fast: So welcome, everybody.

[0:04:03] Trustee Fast: This is an exercise in public participatory democracy.

[0:04:10] Trustee Fast: So we've got the elected trustees.

[0:04:13] Trustee Fast: That's the three of us.

[0:04:14] Trustee Fast: and we've got the professional expertise of staff

[0:04:17] Trustee Fast: with us today

[0:04:18] Trustee Fast: and we've got participation from the public.

[0:04:22] Trustee Fast: So we hope that you will feel invited

[0:04:23] Trustee Fast: to have your say during the town hall session

[0:04:27] Trustee Fast: or to, if you have any technical problems,

[0:04:30] Trustee Fast: if you could email W. Cottingham

[0:04:33] Trustee Fast: and Will, I didn't introduce you.

[0:04:35] Trustee Fast: Can you pop yourself up there?

[0:04:37] Trustee Fast: There's Will Cottingham.

[0:04:38] Trustee Fast: She's running our meeting from her home.

[0:04:41] Trustee Fast: And so thank you, Will and the sunshine there.

[0:04:44] Trustee Fast: so will can help with technical problems if you've got them wcottingham at islandstrust.bc.ca

[0:04:52] Trustee Fast: i'll go back to my notes see what i'm missing here yes so this is your official forum uh for

[0:04:59] Trustee Fast: decisions about um land usually land use um decisions land use and policy and uh some people

[0:05:10] Trustee Fast: think of it as land relationship planning i'm starting to think about it that way anyway um

[0:05:16] Trustee Fast: to make decision about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business the public business

[0:05:21] Trustee Fast: i want to also add that this is also a place of employment so uh staff are uh entitled to a safe

[0:05:28] Trustee Fast: and uh secure uh healthy respectful workplace and uh so when you make comments to the local

[0:05:35] Trustee Fast: local trust committee please address your comments to us your local um your sorry your

[0:05:40] Trustee Fast: elected representatives the trustees and um thank you uh staff who have allowed us into your homes

[0:05:49] Voice 4: um

[0:05:50] Trustee Fast: i want to say uh as last meeting um let's be hard on the issues and easy on each other

[0:05:58] Trustee Fast: we're all doing our best and um i know there's going to be passions around

[0:06:03] Trustee Fast: around people's homes and ideas or features and characteristics of your island that you love.

[0:06:11] Trustee Fast: And so if you can kind of channel those passions into questions and ways for us to work with you,

[0:06:21] Trustee Fast: that would be very welcome, constructive ways.

[0:06:25] Trustee Fast: And direct your questions to us, the trustees, and me as the chair,

[0:06:30] Trustee Fast: and then I'll find a planner or an answer in the room if I can, when we get to that part of the

[0:06:37] Trustee Fast: agenda. So we've got a long agenda with us today. There's a lunch break in the middle at around 12.05.

[0:06:42] Trustee Fast: So trustees, feel free to remind me if I skip past that. It has been known to happen. And I think

[0:06:50] Trustee Fast: that that covers most of the things I wanted to talk about before the meeting. Let me just check

[0:06:55] Trustee Fast: my list yeah so just reminding people this meeting is being recorded and uh it'll be online

[0:07:02] Trustee Fast: for people to look at later if you do have technical difficulties you can go and watch

[0:07:07] Trustee Fast: it later as well and uh so thanks to all who've joined us and um we're going to get on uh with

[0:07:13] Trustee Fast: the meeting now i'm going to call the meeting to order and um anything to add uh to the agenda

[0:07:20] Trustee Fast: Agenda today. I'm not sure. Manager Coward, do you know where Lisa will be joining us today?

[0:07:34] Trustee Fast: Is that a, I don't really see anything particular on the agenda, except perhaps in the

[0:07:42] Trustee Fast: reconciliation report. All those are info items. Heather?

[0:07:46] Voice 13: Agenda item.

[0:07:47] Trustee Fast: No. Okay. So

[0:07:49] Trustee Fast: maybe we'll just welcome her when she comes in. Trustee Allen.

[0:07:53] Trustee Fast: I was

[0:07:55] Trustee Allen: just going to add that I did have an email from Lisa this morning and she's kind of doubled.

[0:07:59] Trustee Allen: She's got another meeting happening as well. So she's going to try and come back and forth.

[0:08:02] Trustee Fast: Right. So let's not put her on the agenda. We'll just bring her in and we'll call it reconciliation update or something whenever she appears.

[0:08:11] Trustee Fast: How about that? OK, I'm just going to check. Is Trustee Scott with us?

[0:08:16] Trustee Fast: I see he's still logged in. He's sort of disappeared there for a moment.

[0:08:21] Trustee Fast: I'm just going to do a little um no

[0:08:23] Trustee Scott: I'm I'm still here just that we've got lousy bandwidth and if I

[0:08:27] Trustee Scott: turn the video off the audio works better thank

[0:08:32] Trustee Fast: you trustee Scott I was just checking I didn't

[0:08:34] Trustee Fast: want to start the meeting in case you weren't there okay thank you and I appreciate uh totally

[0:08:42] Trustee Fast: go ahead and turn um whatever whatever we need to have a good at least a good audio connection

[0:08:48] Trustee Fast: that's good okay thank you um anything else anything else to add to the uh agenda okay

[0:08:57] Trustee Fast: then uh let's um then let's commence uh trustee reports who'd like to go first

[0:09:05] Trustee Fast: trustee scott you've been busy why don't you go ahead while your video is on

[0:09:09] Trustee Fast: okay

[0:09:10] Trustee Scott: thank you no wait a minute am i yeah so thanks everybody for coming to the meeting and

[0:09:17] Trustee Scott: And again, as Sue Ellen, respectfully, Comox First Nation, the more you read, the more you find out about what happened in 1862 to those people.

[0:09:29] Trustee Scott: It's quite unbelievable.

[0:09:32] Trustee Scott: So the big issue on Hormie right now, of course, and we're hearing a lot about it, is the thatch.

[0:09:40] Trustee Scott: and it's incredibly sad from just about every angle you can think of from the certainly from

[0:09:46] Trustee Scott: the first nation's point of view the fact that there's uh there's been human remains dug up there

[0:09:54] Trustee Scott: um the history of the place some of the skull found earlier stories around that there's no

[0:10:00] Trustee Scott: evidence but the rcmp have been over the arc branch has been over there's been a lot of activity

[0:10:06] Trustee Scott: around it and people on the island are certainly talking about it and um there was quite a story on

[0:10:12] Trustee Scott: the community hornby community from chief rempel expressing her frustration and there's a there was

[0:10:19] Trustee Scott: a kind of a rebuttal from from the proponent and um and it all comes back to um what are we

[0:10:27] Trustee Scott: my concern it'll come up later is we've got this right now but it's we're going to have a huge

[0:10:33] Trustee Scott: impact on Hornby going forward, anybody doing any form of land uses or development permits

[0:10:43] Trustee Scott: anywhere near a possible midden, we're going to have to now recognize that much differently than

[0:10:51] Trustee Scott: we have in the past. And I think in a lot of ways, what happened down there, the thatch rang a lot

[0:11:00] Trustee Scott: of bells with us i think with um with everybody and uh people on the island so i think we're going

[0:11:08] Trustee Scott: to have to really figure out what are we going to do with our ocp and our land use bylaws the

[0:11:12] Trustee Scott: mapping and the exercises and what are we going to do at the local level i think that's the key

[0:11:19] Trustee Scott: issue and certainly talked about it so that issue uh the other one of course is this whole herring

[0:11:24] Trustee Scott: we just uh went through the herring um herring fest it was highly successful had excellent

[0:11:31] Trustee Scott: speakers had good turnout and then the deep bay it's um the deep bay dumping the fishermen dumping

[0:11:39] Trustee Scott: the herring in the bay there is a huge issue and um it's been all over the news um and it's a very

[0:11:47] Trustee Scott: sad story i mean the fact that fishermen figured they should do that and then they're going to get

[0:11:53] Trustee Scott: there's going to be some serious repercussions i'm pretty sure they're going to find out who

[0:11:57] Trustee Scott: um it came to us as an anonymous tip and then we followed up on it the diver went over from

[0:12:02] Trustee Scott: hornby she's with the conservancy and she you might have seen her on tv there and she went

[0:12:08] Trustee Scott: over and dove on it and that's she got the footage the only good thing about this whole story is that

[0:12:13] Trustee Scott: little crab that red rock crab if you noticed it in the middle of the herring on the bottom

[0:12:17] Trustee Scott: him that little guy thought he died and gone to heaven yeah but the rest of that story is just

[0:12:22] Trustee Scott: horrendous from everybody's point of view and so DFO is looking at it they've been informed by us

[0:12:28] Trustee Scott: and others and the day after it I was on three or four different tv interviews I was interviewed by

[0:12:36] Trustee Scott: 12 different newspapers radio all over the island and Rebecca that she was as well so

[0:12:42] Trustee Scott: So anyway, that's pretty much what's going on in my little world right now on Herndon Island.

[0:12:50] Trustee Scott: And then, of course, there's all the other issues going on and people, people's concerns about their own development permits and things are coming as well.

[0:12:58] Trustee Scott: So which we'll get into later today. So that's a pretty long winded trustee report.

[0:13:03] Trustee Scott: But thank you, everybody.

[0:13:05] Trustee Fast: Thank you. No, it's been a busy time.

[0:13:07] Trustee Fast: OK, over to you, Trustee Allen, your report.

[0:13:11] Trustee Allen: Yeah, thanks, Grant, for that. I won't go into more details about the stat, but yes, it's,

[0:13:21] Trustee Allen: what is the word? It's very upsetting. Yeah, it's

[0:13:26] Trustee Allen: very upsetting, and we are all aware of it,

[0:13:29] Trustee Allen: and I, you know, and as Lisa says, there's many layers to all this, and

[0:13:34] Trustee Allen: hopefully we are going to address it all, provincial and everywhere, all the,

[0:13:38] Trustee Allen: everywhere. Anyways, instead of talking about that, I will, I guess, we attended the community

[0:13:45] Trustee Allen: to community forum with Comox First Nations and Cumberland and Ritual District and Comox and

[0:13:54] Trustee Allen: area directors. And it was, it's very interesting. Jessica, Jessica Wood, with a very long title.

[0:14:03] Trustee Allen: no you're here sorry yes assistant deputy minister and we'll get she was uh just talking

[0:14:12] Trustee Allen: about drippa and uh reconciliation in bc and then he was she was followed by merle alexander

[0:14:18] Trustee Allen: who is a indigenous lawyer so they're just talking about the the whole reconciliation

[0:14:26] Trustee Allen: um process and also specific to comox first nations is that they're you know they're smack

[0:14:33] Trustee Allen: smack dab in the middle of another treaty level and they um listen quack sister what did she say

[0:14:39] Trustee Allen: that it could be actually owning 18 000 acres of land in the next couple years perhaps going from

[0:14:49] Trustee Allen: say we're down to uh deep bay so that's exciting news and then of course trust council my god uh

[0:14:56] Trustee Allen: three days of fulsome robust uh discussions uh we decided to do something different and have

[0:15:04] Trustee Allen: the first day was discussing the whole policy statement and all of you no doubt filled out

[0:15:12] Trustee Allen: will respond to the survey and of course all those letters of that started in salt

[0:15:18] Trustee Allen: springs that was great i'm glad so many people actually did participate through letter writing

[0:15:24] Trustee Allen: and the survey and we heard you all loud and clear and uh housing is still on our strategic plan

[0:15:29] Trustee Allen: and um we discussed tree cutting that was a roundtable discussion as trustees and we're

[0:15:37] Trustee Allen: all very aware that our lack of tools available and staff will be coming back to the that topic

[0:15:45] Trustee Allen: in june i guess trust council but yeah the the whole scheduling of the trust council i hope we're

[0:15:52] Trustee Allen: going to be looking at it again because it's exhausting um there is that zoom fatigue does

[0:15:59] Trustee Allen: those exist and especially when you're sitting there staring no we need to get up more that's

[0:16:04] Trustee Allen: when you get your brilliant ideas apparently not when you're sitting so I'll leave it at that and

[0:16:08] Trustee Allen: yeah that's my little world.

[0:16:13] Trustee Fast: Thank you Trustee Allen and it's interesting as having been part

[0:16:19] Trustee Fast: of the planning for the three-day trust council it was grueling and we are just trying to find a

[0:16:28] Trustee Fast: way to do that a three-day meeting on zoom uh where we can gather and do all the work that's

[0:16:35] Trustee Fast: um in front of us so we'll we're certainly looking at the fatigue side of it and um i uh

[0:16:43] Trustee Fast: we we did uh actually the chair luckham sent around i found i did some research and found

[0:16:49] Trustee Fast: some resources about zoom fatigue so that was in the chair's letter that went around to trustees

[0:16:53] Trustee Fast: these beforehand little technological things like turning off your self-view which I'm just doing

[0:16:58] Trustee Fast: now and that kind of thing helps but basically we also had the town hall and delegations on one of

[0:17:06] Trustee Fast: the evenings and so that was in an attempt to make it easier for using since we're all online anyway

[0:17:13] Trustee Fast: for people on far-flung islands across the trust area to to join in and so I think that part may

[0:17:22] Trustee Fast: may have worked it was just at the end of a very long day already for uh trustees so take your

[0:17:27] Trustee Fast: point alex i think um i'll just make a uh a quick report here um i'm also a municipal trustee so we

[0:17:38] Trustee Fast: had a bowen island uh municipal council meeting on monday uh and uh looked at the same kinds of

[0:17:45] Trustee Fast: things we do on other islands except um uh this was a cidery and uh site alterations by law things

[0:17:52] Trustee Fast: things like that uh um denman was the week before i chair that local trust committee as well

[0:18:00] Trustee Fast: and uh uh gambier island i have next week um that's the third of my uh local trust committees

[0:18:08] Trustee Fast: um that i uh chair and then i'm also on bowen and uh and executive committee was yesterday

[0:18:15] Trustee Fast: yesterday and um islands trust conservancy is next week so these are some of the um other things

[0:18:22] Trustee Fast: that i'm involved in and uh i won't go into more detail about that except um except to say that i

[0:18:29] Trustee Fast: hope more people will join us for uh parts of trust council at least uh since the next one's going to

[0:18:34] Trustee Fast: be online in june as well and uh if there are items on the agenda that hornby islanders want

[0:18:40] Trustee Fast: want to be involved in, that's a way to see them before we go back to in-person, which hopefully

[0:18:45] Trustee Fast: will be at least by December. So I think that's all I wanted to say about that. And yes, Alex.

[0:18:54] Trustee Allen: Yeah, I just, sorry, I didn't, just to acknowledge, God, Teresa, welcome back. I just

[0:19:01] Trustee Allen: recognized you. Sorry. She was here before. She has a different last name. Yeah. Sorry

[0:19:08] Trustee Allen: about that.

[0:19:08] Trustee Allen: but I'm not self-video,

[0:19:12] Trustee Allen: so now I don't know what I'm doing at all.

[0:19:14] Trustee Allen: That's really confusing.

[0:19:16] Trustee Fast: You can turn it back on again.

[0:19:17] Trustee Fast: I

[0:19:17] Trustee Allen: don't know how to do that.

[0:19:18] Trustee Fast: To turn it back on again,

[0:19:20] Trustee Fast: you go up to view at the top,

[0:19:21] Trustee Fast: that top right corner,

[0:19:23] Trustee Fast: and then you can get back in.

[0:19:24] Trustee Fast: Yeah, it's kind of there.

[0:19:25] Trustee Fast: All right.

[0:19:26] Trustee Fast: Yeah, okay.

[0:19:28] Trustee Fast: All right, everybody.

[0:19:29] Trustee Fast: And I just wanted to let you know

[0:19:30] Trustee Fast: that Director Arbour,

[0:19:33] Trustee Fast: Regional District Director Arbour,

[0:19:34] Trustee Fast: Daniel won't be joining us today.

[0:19:36] Trustee Fast: but if people have questions for him um he's interested in hearing about them so if trustees

[0:19:42] Trustee Fast: came with questions uh you can let us know and vicky will record them or just uh email them or

[0:19:48] Trustee Fast: bring it to the next meeting and uh unless i hear something from trustees i'm going to move on move

[0:19:54] Trustee Fast: on okay all right uh so now we're going to go into the town hall part of the meeting and uh this is

[0:20:01] Trustee Fast: when um members of the public are invited to share your ideas with uh with the trustees so if you

[0:20:10] Trustee Fast: have something to share with us um if you would like to raise your digital hand and uh will will

[0:20:17] Trustee Fast: promote you into the meeting i think that's how it works and i'm just finding the part about yes

[0:20:21] Trustee Fast: star nine uh to raise your hand and i see one attendee has there oh a couple of people want

[0:20:28] Trustee Fast: want to speak great and uh i'm hoping you can keep your um uh remarks uh tight so that we can um uh

[0:20:37] Trustee Fast: hear uh what you want to say and get on with the meeting and uh so please go ahead um i think the

[0:20:44] Trustee Fast: first one uh joanne joanne obitslin if you could confirm that that's who you are and not somebody

[0:20:50] Trustee Fast: else using joanne's phone or something and then uh uh and where you live on the island or your

[0:20:55] Trustee Fast: connection with hornby please go ahead oh

[0:20:57] Voice 12: hi uh yeah it is me and um i live in sandpiper and i'm

[0:21:02] Voice 12: also on the apc uh um i would like to first of all thank trustees grant and scott for bringing

[0:21:10] Voice 12: to the forefront the reconciliation issue um certainly i wanted to speak about the situation

[0:21:17] Voice 12: at the thatch um i read through the reports um on section 14 of the uh agenda today the truth

[0:21:27] Voice 12: precedes reconciliation and the reconciliation report 2019 and 21 so this is all very timely

[0:21:34] Voice 12: and all it's in front of us in a really serious way right now um the truth precedes reconciliation

[0:21:41] Voice 12: report states that the history of the island's trust has unfortunately been one of complacent

[0:21:46] Voice 12: disregard for the history of Indigenous peoples. I mean it says much more than that. So I see this

[0:21:52] Voice 12: as an opportunity for our island and for the trust to be a little bit more or be more proactive

[0:22:00] Voice 12: around this situation at the thatch. I understand it's complex. I understand that the DPA has

[0:22:08] Voice 12: already been approved but I would like to encourage the trust and our trustees to find a way

[0:22:17] Voice 12: to have more meaningful consultation with the Comox First Nation around this and to suspend the

[0:22:22] Voice 12: if it's legally possible to suspend the DPA until that can happen and yeah thank you very much

[0:22:31] Voice 12: and thanks for the opportunity to speak thank you

[0:22:35] Trustee Fast: Joanne and I know just the

[0:22:38] Trustee Fast: reports that she's talking about are in our agenda on pages 189 through 244 so

[0:22:46] Trustee Fast: there's two reports that we received at the last Trust Council meeting a couple

[0:22:52] Trustee Fast: of weeks ago and and they're kind of catching us up to date and helping us

[0:22:58] Trustee Fast: us learn and getting us in a better place to basically start working on the new legislation,

[0:23:08] Trustee Fast: the DRIPA, that was passed by the provincial government.

[0:23:13] Trustee Fast: And it's wonderful that this opportunity has come to Hornby, and may I say, with some courageous

[0:23:20] Trustee Fast: trustees willing to look seriously at this issue.

[0:23:25] Trustee Fast: And we'll see what happens.

[0:23:28] Trustee Fast: thank you very much uh joanne and i see another hand up there this is a telephone so if you could

[0:23:34] Trustee Fast: confirm your name and uh and your connection to hornby island please go ahead i can't hear you

[0:23:44] Trustee Fast: try star six to unmute there

[0:23:50] Voice 1: can you hear me

[0:23:51] Trustee Fast: yes thank you please go ahead

[0:23:53] Trustee Fast: confirm your name and

[0:23:54] Trustee Fast: your connection to hornby right

[0:23:56] Voice 1: this is tony law um resident of hornby um i was a trustee for

[0:24:01] Voice 1: 20 years and reason I was a trustee for so long as it took so long to get anything done

[0:24:08] Voice 1: and with what's been happening I'm thinking back to 20 years ago when I first approached

[0:24:13] Voice 1: Chief Ernie Hardy of Cormox and at that point the Islands Trust had established a protocol

[0:24:22] Voice 1: agreement with the LIAX and not as a result of policy and procedures because but an individual

[0:24:26] Voice 1: trustee, built up a relationship and got that done. And Chief Ernie Hardy said, well, it'd be

[0:24:32] Voice 1: great if we could have one between Comox and Hornby. That was 20 years ago. But there was

[0:24:38] Voice 1: not the resources to make it happen. Since that time, there's only been one other protocol

[0:24:45] Voice 1: agreement, and that's with Sunemo. And 20 of it has gone by. If there'd been a protocol agreement

[0:24:51] Voice 1: once a year. We'd have 20 of them in place by now. The other aspect that frustrates me is that when

[0:24:58] Voice 1: we reviewed our community plan, we were not informed that there'd been a report by Courtney

[0:25:04] Voice 1: Campbell that suggested that every OCP try and update its policies around First Nations issues

[0:25:12] Voice 1: as Salt Spring had done. That was not brought to our attention. We didn't do it. What happened was

[0:25:18] Voice 1: was that Colmox raised some objections to things in our plan,

[0:25:22] Voice 1: so did the Ministry of Justice.

[0:25:24] Voice 1: We took stuff out of the plan.

[0:25:26] Voice 1: That was back in 2014 or so.

[0:25:29] Voice 1: And we decided we wanted to, as quickly as possible,

[0:25:33] Voice 1: correct those things in our community plan.

[0:25:36] Voice 1: But then we got into this long relationship-building process,

[0:25:39] Voice 1: and again, seven years has gone by and nothing has happened.

[0:25:43] Voice 1: And so I really empathize with you trustees with the position that you were in.

[0:25:51] Voice 1: It must have been agonizing for you.

[0:25:53] Voice 1: I think you did all you could except for one thing I think might have been done differently was to communicate directly with Comox.

[0:26:01] Voice 1: I think one of the objections, you know, talking to Chief Rempaul, is that local and provincial governments leave it to the applicant to make contact rather than making contact themselves.

[0:26:14] Voice 1: themselves and they feel that's not the appropriate way for a consent to be achieved and I think

[0:26:23] Voice 1: I know this relationship building is important I really support it but we spent four years of

[0:26:27] Voice 1: the last term doing it and now two more years of this term has gone by and relationship building

[0:26:34] Voice 1: is important but if I want to build a relationship with a neighbor we don't just talk about what I

[0:26:38] Voice 1: want to do if they need the house fixed up I turn up with tools and materials and I think we need to

[0:26:43] Voice 1: that turn up with something more concrete and, you know,

[0:26:50] Voice 1: even making a one-sided commitment that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[0:26:59] Voice 1: will communicate directly with COMOX about any issues that come up that might impact them,

[0:27:05] Voice 1: not through the usual referral process, bureaucratic referral process,

[0:27:09] Voice 1: but, you know, in a direct way.

[0:27:13] Voice 1: I think that might have made a small bit of difference in this particular situation if that had happened.

[0:27:18] Voice 1: Last month, the Archaeological Branch came up with a document for local governments

[0:27:24] Voice 1: on how to update community plans around heritage sites.

[0:27:30] Voice 1: And there's also the report done by Courtney Campbell back in 2008.

[0:27:34] Voice 1: And I think there's some good material to support making necessary adjustments to the community plan.

[0:27:41] Voice 1: I think we have an obligation to do that, having had the Commonwealth subject to things in our community plan,

[0:27:46] Voice 1: And, you know, in terms of the history and in terms of heritage that were taken out of our plan, there's a big gap.

[0:27:52] Voice 1: And I think it needs to be filled as quickly as possible.

[0:27:54] Voice 1: And I think we need to, you know, to go to the table with Comox, not just with a willingness to build relationships, but with something really concrete that will, you know, make a real difference.

[0:28:08] Voice 1: Thank you for listening to me. And I really support you in what you're trying to do. Thank you.

[0:28:13] Voice 1: Thank

[0:28:14] Trustee Fast: you very much, Tony, and for your words and background and also for the letter that we received too late to get it into the agenda, but Tony has put together a good backgrounder, and I think it'll be in next week's next meetings agenda.

[0:28:34] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Tony. Go ahead, Trustee Scott. I think Tony, if you can stick with us for a minute. Go ahead, Trustee Scott.

[0:28:42] Trustee Scott: Yeah, Tony, are you still there?

[0:28:43] Trustee Scott: I've got a question for you.

[0:28:46] Trustee Fast: Star six to unmute.

[0:28:49] Voice 1: I'm unmuted.

[0:28:51] Trustee Scott: Tony, thanks for what you've sent us

[0:28:54] Trustee Scott: and thanks for your comments today.

[0:28:58] Trustee Scott: You've certainly provided a lot of history,

[0:29:02] Trustee Scott: but I'd like to ask you,

[0:29:03] Trustee Scott: when you say more concrete to take to,

[0:29:06] Trustee Scott: what do you, tell me specifically on Hormie

[0:29:09] Trustee Scott: what you mean by more concrete?

[0:29:12] Trustee Scott: What can we take to them to breathe life into that relationship, which isn't just respect and words, but actual action?

[0:29:20] Trustee Scott: What would you take on that?

[0:29:23] Voice 1: Well, I think it'd be great to have a draft protocol agreement, but obviously that's not there.

[0:29:28] Voice 1: But at least a commitment that there will be more direct and helpful communication about anything that's happening on Hornby that's in relation to them.

[0:29:39] Voice 1: You know, I think if I think one of the things that was unsettling was that it was kind of left to the applicant to contact Comox rather than than direct Comox, sort of directly from from the Anz Trust to Comox.

[0:29:54] Voice 1: So I think a commitment to do that. And I said the other thing is, is a commitment to.

[0:30:00] Voice 1: know, start the process of, you know, changes that may be made to the OCP and land use by

[0:30:07] Voice 1: law.

[0:30:07] Voice 1: You know, I just feel like so many years have slipped by and I know First Nations have been

[0:30:11] Voice 1: very, very patient, but not, it's been out of necessity.

[0:30:15] Voice 1: And I think, I know there's a frustration, you know, the provincial level that, you know,

[0:30:20] Voice 1: there still isn't an action plan, you know, things are just moving too slowly.

[0:30:26] Voice 1: And I think there's a real frustration on the part of First Nations that, you know, there's seemingly good intent, but the actions are coming very slowly.

[0:30:38] Trustee Scott: I just want to comment.

[0:30:40] Trustee Fast: Okay, can I just say,

[0:30:42] Trustee Fast: okay, but I just want to also be part of the conversation for a second just to bring Tony into the loop, which he probably is.

[0:30:52] Trustee Fast: is but just so everybody knows we're at a new place now with the reconciliation direct uh

[0:30:57] Trustee Fast: declaration that islands trust has made the senior intergovernmental policy advisor lisa wilcox who

[0:31:03] Trustee Fast: will probably join us later in the meeting um the comox have put out their uh comox cultural

[0:31:09] Trustee Fast: heritage plan so now there's a document to work with with maps and things and uh that the province

[0:31:15] Trustee Fast: has brought in drip up go ahead grant scott yes

[0:31:20] Trustee Scott: well now you're getting to to my point i mean i

[0:31:25] Trustee Scott: I very much wanted to phone Chief Rempel back last summer

[0:31:30] Trustee Scott: when this whole thing was,

[0:31:32] Trustee Scott: when we had those two local meetings and we deferred it.

[0:31:37] Trustee Scott: And I was very reluctant to do that

[0:31:40] Trustee Scott: because I knew I didn't really have,

[0:31:42] Trustee Scott: I didn't want to go around the process,

[0:31:45] Trustee Scott: which is the legal one,

[0:31:47] Trustee Scott: is the ARC branch sending a referral

[0:31:49] Trustee Scott: to the Nanwakalas Clearinghouse,

[0:31:52] Trustee Scott: which comes back to Comox,

[0:31:54] Trustee Scott: but recognizing that Comox may not be aware through that process,

[0:31:58] Trustee Scott: but even the ARC branch didn't know how much was going on.

[0:32:01] Trustee Scott: So my real concern is we're doing all this good policy stuff,

[0:32:05] Trustee Scott: as you mentioned, Sue Allen, but there's a monstrous,

[0:32:08] Trustee Scott: but there and the, but is what's going to happen now on Hornby Island.

[0:32:13] Trustee Scott: We're going to get applications.

[0:32:14] Trustee Scott: We've got probably eight serious beaches around Hornby that are probably

[0:32:19] Trustee Scott: have got middens on them. And I walked with the ARC branch guy.

[0:32:22] Trustee Scott: We went around and looked at all the different middens and we know that when the applications come in, what are we going to tell people that we have no direction?

[0:32:31] Trustee Scott: We've got nothing to go back on. What do we tell people who are going to run into the problem on a different level when they make a development permit application?

[0:32:41] Trustee Scott: what are this is the issue the local issue what are we going to say to people here that's the

[0:32:49] Trustee Scott: question do we do policies great documents are good protocols are great makes it sets up the

[0:32:59] Trustee Scott: relationship but the rubber hits the road here with the when people come with an application

[0:33:05] Trustee Scott: that's our issue i don't know what to tell people right now

[0:33:09] Trustee Fast: let's hold on to this question i just

[0:33:12] Trustee Fast: wrote it down here what will we say to people when they apply um and when uh uh lisa wilcox

[0:33:20] Trustee Fast: joins us maybe we can have a conversation about this sure

[0:33:24] Trustee Scott: okay okay

[0:33:24] Trustee Fast: good and i think heather can

[0:33:27] Trustee Fast: fill us in because at our last um local trust committee meeting we did pass a resolution asking

[0:33:33] Trustee Fast: staff to inform comox when applications come in so maybe heather you can fill us in a little bit

[0:33:40] Trustee Fast: bit about that. Sure

[0:33:42] Voice 13: since your last meeting I did contact Comox First Nation about their

[0:33:49] Voice 13: permitting process so as you're aware they have a they have their own permitting process and

[0:33:56] Voice 13: at the last meeting that you had that hadn't been rolled out yet so they hadn't started taking in

[0:34:02] Voice 13: permits yet but that has since changed and so our plan now as staff is to send all of our permits

[0:34:10] Voice 13: that come in on Denman and Hornby Islands

[0:34:13] Voice 13: to Comox for comment.

[0:34:15] Voice 13: So they will be informed of every permit

[0:34:18] Voice 13: that we receive directly through their,

[0:34:23] Voice 13: and they will review all of those permits

[0:34:26] Voice 13: to see if they think that their permitting process

[0:34:30] Voice 13: will be triggered and they'll let us know

[0:34:33] Voice 13: and then we'll work with the applicant on that.

[0:34:36] Voice 13: So that's the new plan going forward.

[0:34:38] Voice 13: that's great

[0:34:40] Trustee Fast: thank you because that's a big change it is

[0:34:43] Trustee Fast: um yes and as a result of the motion that

[0:34:46] Trustee Fast: uh this local trust committee made at the last meeting um staff had to figure out how what can

[0:34:52] Trustee Fast: we do legally how how will this work and uh and obviously staff to staff communication uh with

[0:34:59] Trustee Fast: Comox First Nations staff uh their planning department planning and permitting department

[0:35:05] Trustee Fast: department. And so now that's great that they've got their permit system up and running. So

[0:35:09] Trustee Fast: things are changing. And I'm looking forward to how we can make it all better and be able to

[0:35:20] Trustee Fast: answer the question that Grant brought up. Is there anything else? Now that we're on this topic,

[0:35:25] Trustee Fast: maybe with Heather, Trustee Allen.

[0:35:31] Trustee Allen: Yeah, I just want to echo what Grant said and

[0:35:33] Trustee Allen: And also thank Tony for his submission.

[0:35:37] Trustee Allen: That was great to have that whole historical background

[0:35:40] Trustee Allen: and our relationship with Columbus First Nations.

[0:35:42] Trustee Allen: And I want to say that when Tony and I were trustees together,

[0:35:45] Trustee Allen: when we had our first community meeting with Columbus First Nations,

[0:35:51] Trustee Allen: there was all sorts of plans to have Jesse, the archaeologist, come

[0:35:55] Trustee Allen: and we were going to do a whole walk around, walkabout,

[0:35:58] Trustee Allen: looking out for archaeological sites.

[0:36:00] Trustee Allen: And we were going to talk about signage.

[0:36:02] Trustee Allen: and I'm not sure it sort of fell through the cracks and I know you know all the First Nations

[0:36:08] Trustee Allen: are extremely busy with treaty negotiations other large projects that are you know huge compared to

[0:36:15] Trustee Allen: some of the things that are going on our islands but the islands and but the yes I hope because

[0:36:24] Trustee Allen: I actually did talk to or email Lisa regarding what Tony sent and I thought whether we could

[0:36:29] Trustee Allen: to do something like that that huge motion at the end regarding the protocol agreement and

[0:36:33] Trustee Allen: just acknowledging and it's kind of a large project it's not necessary to come from lgc

[0:36:40] Trustee Allen: but i'm hoping it'll be something that council will do and also lobby the province that will be

[0:36:48] Trustee Fast: uh something we can also talk about with lisa when she joins us in the meeting uh but thank you this

[0:36:53] Trustee Fast: these are these are there's a lot of new things happening and uh alex i think you bring up a

[0:36:59] Trustee Fast: really good point about resources I mean First Nations often have just a small number of staff

[0:37:09] Trustee Fast: and time and volunteer well maybe that's not the right word but elected or people with important

[0:37:18] Trustee Fast: roles in their communities and so do Islands Trust we're limited in our resources and our staffing

[0:37:26] Trustee Fast: in our uh ability to do things also legal constraints about uh property and the and the

[0:37:33] Trustee Fast: right how how planning permissions are granted and uh so there's a whole bunch of work still

[0:37:40] Trustee Fast: ahead of us but i'm really glad to hear that um that the comox first nation have their uh

[0:37:46] Trustee Fast: cultural heritage uh plan and permitting process up and it's public now so people can find it

[0:37:52] Trustee Fast: online and and look at that and uh and that we've changed our um islands trust uh hornby and denman

[0:38:00] Trustee Fast: uh i gather a heather that we'll be sending them every permit as we uh receive them okay that's

[0:38:09] Trustee Fast: great and that will also add a little bit more time and a little more planner time and all those

[0:38:14] Trustee Fast: those things. So, you know, we have to acknowledge the work that goes into making changes. And thank

[0:38:22] Trustee Fast: you, Heather.

[0:38:24] Voice 7: Chair Fast, I just wanted to let you know, Wendy Burton's been having some difficulty

[0:38:28] Voice 7: with her raised hand. So I'm just going to allow her to talk. Perfect timing. Thank

[0:38:35] Trustee Fast: you. Welcome,

[0:38:36] Trustee Fast: Welcome, Wendy. Can you hear us? You might try star six to unmute. There we go.

[0:38:47] Voice 8: Yes, I can hear you. Can you hear me?

[0:38:49] Trustee Fast: Yes, we can. Please go ahead, Wendy.

[0:38:51] Voice 8: All right. I am Wendy Burton. I am a resident on Hornby Island. And I wanted to make a suggestion to the trustees about the proliferation of short term vacation rentals on Hornby Island.

[0:39:06] Voice 8: Island. Two years ago, the outgoing bylaw enforcement manager reported there were 158

[0:39:15] Voice 8: properties he was aware of that were offering short-term vacation rentals.

[0:39:20] Voice 8: An informal inventory taken last summer when the island, I think I speak for many people when I say

[0:39:29] Voice 8: They seemed inundated with people visiting in spite of public health orders.

[0:39:34] Voice 8: It was difficult to figure out where they were staying.

[0:39:39] Voice 8: And at that time, an informal inventory indicated there were probably 190 short-term vacation rentals, many of them offered through Airbnb.

[0:39:48] Voice 8: and b as you know short-term vacation rentals are i think well regulated in terms of what

[0:39:57] Voice 8: where how and so on especially how many although there is some difference in interpretation of that

[0:40:06] Voice 8: particular how many but what does not exist is some kind of of public process to identify

[0:40:18] Voice 8: identify and regulate short-term vacation rentals and by that I mean the equivalent of a business

[0:40:24] Voice 8: license. I understand that the trust cannot issue business licenses. Temporary use permits may be

[0:40:31] Voice 8: the way to go. It is certainly the way that it has been done on other islands in the trust

[0:40:37] Voice 8: but at the moment on this island there is no way to know how many, where, what, who and therefore

[0:40:47] Voice 8: when we get into discussions about housing on this island we end up in a he said she said

[0:40:52] Voice 8: that doesn't take us anywhere i have looked through the ocp i have looked through what the

[0:40:59] Voice 8: trust trust can and cannot do in terms of municipal and government legislation and i am asking the

[0:41:07] Voice 8: planners i'm asking the trust council i'm asking the local trustees to determine a way to know how

[0:41:15] Voice 8: many and to license these and to perhaps cap the number on Hornby Island.

[0:41:22] Voice 8: Thank you for taking the time to listen to me and thanks, Will, for getting me on.

[0:41:27] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Wendy, for keeping trying and we appreciate your words.

[0:41:34] Trustee Fast: Constructive and helpful from Islander perspective is good, especially for me to hear.

[0:41:41] Trustee Fast: I think local trustees know a lot more.

[0:41:44] Trustee Fast: trustee scott oh sorry trustee alan thank

[0:41:49] Trustee Allen: you um yeah thank you wendy and as you know we do have

[0:41:54] Trustee Allen: um there is enforcement and i every now and then i get emails from file enforcement officers

[0:42:00] Trustee Allen: regarding vacation rentals and what they're doing and it is a very slow process and they are

[0:42:06] Trustee Allen: you know going through airbnb and whatever but um from what i'm hearing a lot of people are

[0:42:12] Trustee Allen: are actually complying after discussing with our bylaw enforcement regarding the bylaws,

[0:42:20] Trustee Allen: the Hornby Island bylaws. So in terms of looking ahead, yeah, there's a lot to do on what was I

[0:42:28] Trustee Allen: going to add? I will hesitate about temporary use permits. They can turn the other way because they

[0:42:34] Trustee Allen: can be a three-year thing and then another three and then suddenly it's just they're there. So

[0:42:38] Trustee Allen: So I've always thought about and also I remember being on the APC a long time ago, many years, and it was all about vacation rentals and the commercial business were coming and saying there's got to be a level playing field where everybody should have the same taxes or something.

[0:42:54] Trustee Allen: And it's complicated because we aren't a municipality, but I would certainly like to have a staff explore that down the road. Thank you.

[0:43:00] Trustee Allen: thank

[0:43:02] Trustee Fast: you very much alex and thank you to um uh our speakers uh town hall speakers i'm going to

[0:43:09] Trustee Fast: close the town hall now because i'm realizing that i'm way behind in my agenda but this has

[0:43:13] Trustee Fast: been a good discussion and i really appreciate the uh input from everybody uh thank you very much

[0:43:19] Trustee Fast: okay and um now we're going to move on into the uh minutes section of the meeting um this is our

[0:43:29] Trustee Fast: minutes from the our last meeting January 29th do I have any corrections

[0:43:36] Trustee Fast: or changes to the minutes trustee Scott I don't see your hand up so I'm also see

[0:43:47] Trustee Fast: your mic off can I do it are they can we approve the minutes I'm gonna call the

[0:43:54] Trustee Fast: question all those in favor and did you approve that Alex I can't hear you so

[0:44:03] Trustee Fast: So, yes?

[0:44:07] Trustee Scott: Yes, we both approve.

[0:44:09] Trustee Allen: Sorry, I had my screen with my agenda in front of me,

[0:44:12] Trustee Allen: and I couldn't see what I was doing.

[0:44:13] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:44:14] Trustee Fast: I just want to make sure that we all agree that we're approving the agenda.

[0:44:19] Trustee Fast: Sorry, we're approving the minutes from the past meeting.

[0:44:22] Trustee Allen: In favor?

[0:44:24] Trustee Fast: Grant?

[0:44:25] Trustee Allen: Yes.

[0:44:26] Trustee Fast: Thank you, and I'm in favor.

[0:44:27] Trustee Fast: That's for our minute taker in the background.

[0:44:29] Trustee Fast: That's three hands up.

[0:44:30] Trustee Fast: We approve the minutes.

[0:44:32] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:44:32] Trustee Fast: And public hearing record.

[0:44:34] Trustee Fast: this is the public hearing that was held also January 29th that's right that was

[0:44:41] Trustee Fast: quite the meeting and so we're just receiving that we had no resolutions

[0:44:46] Trustee Fast: without minutes meeting what that means is resolutions that we might pass by

[0:44:52] Trustee Fast: email that's very unusual we hardly ever have them and there were none 6.4

[0:44:58] Trustee Fast: advisory planning committee mean Commission minutes for receipt so we

[0:45:03] Trustee Fast: We have those and we're just receiving them at this point.

[0:45:08] Trustee Fast: Trustee Allen.

[0:45:10] Trustee Allen: Not that I'm picky, but my name's misspelled

[0:45:12] Trustee Allen: on page 20 of the APC minutes.

[0:45:16] Trustee Allen: It's E-L

[0:45:16] Trustee Allen: -E-N, not A-N.

[0:45:19] Trustee Allen: Very

[0:45:20] Trustee Fast: good, thank you.

[0:45:21] Trustee Fast: And I have that challenge all the time too.

[0:45:27] Trustee Fast: You

[0:45:27] Trustee Scott: just put that in there to see if you read it, you know.

[0:45:32] Trustee Scott: Well.

[0:45:33] Trustee Scott: You're right about that.

[0:45:35] Trustee Scott: okay good move vicky very good you

[0:45:38] Trustee Fast: know probably wendy

[0:45:39] Trustee Scott: page

[0:45:40] Trustee Fast: 22 now we're on the follow-up action

[0:45:43] Trustee Fast: list uh so oops i've got to get my agenda here and scroll madly down to page 22 so that we can

[0:45:51] Trustee Fast: ask heather if we've got any uh questions from the follow-up action list starting on page 22

[0:45:58] Trustee Fast: two questions for the regional planning manager who's got one i think i had a oh no mine's down

[0:46:08] Trustee Fast: in no mine is elsewhere go ahead yeah

[0:46:12] Trustee Allen: i was just wondering about the where are we at with the

[0:46:14] Trustee Allen: watershed protection groundwater project i

[0:46:20] Voice 13: believe that uh william's plan is to be on your next

[0:46:23] Voice 13: agenda to give you a status update on that um but we need to follow up with william because i'm not

[0:46:29] Voice 13: quite sure yeah

[0:46:31] Trustee Allen: all right thank you okay

[0:46:32] Voice 13: good

[0:46:33] Trustee Fast: any other questions for the regional planning manager

[0:46:38] Trustee Fast: okay we've covered some of this material in our uh informal conversations earlier so thank you

[0:46:44] Trustee Fast: very much then let's move on um that follow-up action list has a check mark oh go ahead yeah

[0:46:51] Trustee Scott: yeah please uh oh wait a minute am i getting ahead of myself here the um the rar one with

[0:47:03] Trustee Scott: sonia am i ahead of myself there yeah okay oh well i don't know

[0:47:10] Trustee Scott: if that is

[0:47:10] Trustee Fast: that a fault in the

[0:47:12] Trustee Fast: follow-up action well

[0:47:13] Trustee Scott: it's it's just meant i see it's mentioned i would appreciate it sonia could

[0:47:17] Trustee Scott: you send me a copy of that report please which

[0:47:21] Trustee Fast: report do you mean which page are you on grant

[0:47:23] Trustee Scott: I'm on page 23 it says LTC directed staff to add a review of DPA RAR to the OCP LU bylaw amendment

[0:47:32] Trustee Scott: project it says complete it oh okay so

[0:47:36] Trustee Scott: I'm wondering if it's completed I'd like to see what

[0:47:39] Trustee Scott: was reported what we've done about it I

[0:47:45] Voice 13: think I think I can speak to that a little bit um

[0:47:47] Voice 13: You know, that was November of 2019. At the time, the OCP project that the LTC had included

[0:47:54] Voice 13: kind of everything OCP. The project has now been reduced in scope. And so that project

[0:48:04] Voice 13: isn't anticipated to cover RAR at this point because the OCP project has been taken off the

[0:48:11] Voice 13: list rar

[0:48:15] Trustee Fast: for the people watching is riparian area regulation is that correct creeks and ditches and

[0:48:22] Trustee Fast: surface water flow and how to protect that with leaving vegetation around it

[0:48:28] Voice 13: so that item is

[0:48:30] Voice 13: completed because at that time it was added to the to the project charter but then after that

[0:48:36] Voice 13: the project was eliminated yeah okay

[0:48:42] Trustee Scott: by

[0:48:43] Trustee Fast: all means follow up with email questions to staff as well

[0:48:46] Trustee Fast: okay anything else on the follow-up action list here starting on page 22 seeing none can we move

[0:48:57] Trustee Fast: on let's go to page 26 and we'll look at the um advisory planning commission has uh done some

[0:49:07] Trustee Fast: significant work here it looks like to me and um who's going to speak to this one i think this is

[0:49:17] Trustee Scott: one

[0:49:17] Trustee Fast: of these funny ones where it's a work of the commission go ahead trustee scott yes um

[0:49:26] Trustee Scott: thanks and i i don't know if i i would like to formally thank the advisory planning commission

[0:49:33] Trustee Scott: for doing this i'm not exactly sure how we do that i mean i thank wendy but i'll uh how can we

[0:49:38] Trustee Scott: do it heather could you i don't know could you send a thank you or i'm not sure quite how or

[0:49:45] Trustee Scott: sue allen could you just

[0:49:46] Trustee Fast: sure i'll uh i'll send them a thank you and um because it is a significant

[0:49:51] Trustee Fast: amount of work and i

[0:49:53] Trustee Fast: hope just so everybody knows we do have um next steps for discussion at 11.1

[0:49:59] Trustee Fast: later in the agenda so um this is just recognizing that their uh report is okay

[0:50:06] Trustee Scott: so all right so we

[0:50:07] Trustee Scott: don't need to get into it right now we'll get more discuss what the next steps with it are then yeah

[0:50:13] Trustee Fast: at 11.1 all

[0:50:15] Trustee Scott: right okay so it's right now we're just so we just need a motion to accept it is that

[0:50:19] Trustee Scott: it um

[0:50:20] Voice 13: i don't know no not necessarily you don't need it yeah if you're gonna if you're gonna

[0:50:27] Voice 13: follow up you could do it yeah

[0:50:28] Trustee Scott: okay all right okay so we just accepted that okay that's good thank

[0:50:31] Trustee Scott: you thank

[0:50:33] Trustee Fast: you to them okay good so just bloody i think that's just the place in the um in the

[0:50:39] Trustee Fast: the agenda where their materials are sitting and we'll come back to that later okay

[0:50:43] Trustee Scott: okay

[0:50:44] Trustee Fast: so

[0:50:46] Trustee Fast: catching up on time here but now we're into the applications part of the agenda

[0:50:50] Trustee Fast: applications and referrals so our first one is uh 8.1 starting on page 52 and this is uh

[0:51:00] Trustee Fast: the co-op and

[0:51:01] Trustee Allen: i think so i oh sorry it's sue ellen no

[0:51:04] Trustee Fast: no i was gonna say i think alex has

[0:51:07] Trustee Fast: got something to say. I'm going to

[0:51:07] Trustee Allen: recuse myself from this meeting regarding this particular

[0:51:11] Trustee Allen: application because it's my application. And I did, I just want to make sure that Ian, you received

[0:51:16] Trustee Allen: my email this morning regarding.

[0:51:19] Voice 2: I did trust Ian. I will show

[0:51:21] Trustee Allen: that I'll bring it up on the screen

[0:51:23] Voice 2: and, and, and read it out for additional.

[0:51:25] Trustee Allen: And Will, I'm not sure how you're going to get me

[0:51:27] Trustee Allen: back. How does that work? I can,

[0:51:29] Voice 7: I can give you, I can call you when we're ready.

[0:51:32] Trustee Allen: Yeah. Okay. I

[0:51:33] Trustee Allen: I don't, yeah, 1129.

[0:51:34] Trustee Allen: I'm not going to tell everybody my phone number, sorry.

[0:51:37] Voice 7: Oh, no, I can, I have it, so I can

[0:51:40] Trustee Allen: give you a call.

[0:51:40] Trustee Allen: I will leave the meeting, bye-bye.

[0:51:42] Trustee Fast: Okay, bye.

[0:51:43] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Allen, and we'll see you later.

[0:51:45] Trustee Fast: Okay, over to you, Ian Cox, Planner Cox.

[0:51:50] Voice 2: Okay, good day from Sonny Gabriola here in Stenemic Territory in Silva Bay.

[0:51:59] Voice 2: Hey, I think it's, if I have my info right, Kalachmanup in Chinook is the name for the flat tops in Silva Bay here.

[0:52:06] Voice 2: So it's a gorgeous spot.

[0:52:09] Voice 2: And sorry, you have to listen to me for three applications here, but we'll start off with this one.

[0:52:14] Voice 2: So this is a temporary use permit to permit the sale of water from the co-op location, which is a use.

[0:52:24] Voice 2: And we received, Islands Trust and staff received a referral from the Ministry of Forestlands Natural Resources for the, it was a referral for the water license, which the co-op has applied for, the association, to permit that extraction, that use of groundwater there.

[0:52:43] Voice 2: And so I think the report generally speaks for itself. I will show, Trustee Allen, the applicant, has sent some additional information via email. So perhaps I'll just share my screen here.

[0:53:00] Voice 2: Ian,

[0:53:00] Trustee Scott: can I interject for a second?

[0:53:02] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:53:02] Voice 2: Yes, there's

[0:53:03] Trustee Scott: absolutely no concern about this application at all. So I think we can move right to I'll make a resolution accepting it approving it. I've read it. But there's, there's no negative to it at all that I know.

[0:53:21] Trustee Scott: all okay

[0:53:23] Trustee Fast: um i'd like maybe i would for the record and for due process um and for anybody watching

[0:53:30] Trustee Fast: who is not aware of this ian if you could just continue with your report just briefly and then

[0:53:36] Trustee Fast: uh just so we cover all that check out took all the boxes thank you go ahead sure

[0:53:44] Voice 2: so through the

[0:53:44] Voice 2: chair i'll just i'll just share my screen and provide the information that that uh that uh

[0:53:49] Voice 2: was sent. Pardon me, one minute here while I open that email. So can you see this? It's probably

[0:53:59] Voice 2: quite small. I think what I'll do is read it. You can see that somewhat? Yep.

[0:54:06] Voice 2: Just so on the

[0:54:08] Voice 2: conditions of the permit, this is basically addressing the conditions that staff have

[0:54:13] Voice 2: included in the draft permit. One is to provide the water license. So there's some information

[0:54:19] Voice 2: here. This can go on the record. The Flynn Road probably won't be finalizing the permit until

[0:54:26] Voice 2: a little later than was expected. So that's one, and that's a condition of the permit.

[0:54:32] Voice 2: The second condition of the permit was that we received some confirmation or direction from the

[0:54:36] Voice 2: health authority as to any licensing requirements or conditions that they have for the actual

[0:54:43] Voice 2: bottling system and um the applicants provided here that they're that uh v has indicated that

[0:54:51] Voice 2: they're not requiring licensing at this time but just some monitoring components so that's fine we

[0:54:55] Voice 2: staff would work with the applicant to just make sure that the condition of that permit then that's

[0:54:59] Voice 2: included is fulfilled and and that's fine and in so we've had um a conversation i've had a

[0:55:06] Voice 2: conversation with vha about this and that's the indication that they gave staff as well at that

[0:55:11] Voice 2: time that they don't require a permit so um and then uh one two three four comox uh you know

[0:55:21] Voice 2: through the license the water licensing process the uh the information will be provided to comox

[0:55:26] Voice 2: as well so i think that's the gist of the email okay um

[0:55:29] Voice 2: i'll stop sharing and thank you very much

[0:55:34] Trustee Fast: okay uh thank you very much uh questions for the planner trustee scott no

[0:55:41] Trustee Scott: thank you very much

[0:55:43] Trustee Fast: okay thank you and um nice clear report and it's great that um everybody is checking in for the

[0:55:52] Trustee Fast: health and the safety of the water and the watershed and um did you want to make the

[0:55:56] Trustee Fast: recommendation then uh trustee scott yes

[0:55:59] Trustee Scott: i've got i'm lost yes i've got us on the screen but i i

[0:56:06] Trustee Scott: I don't have the page if I know I know that but I have

[0:56:14] Trustee Fast: it here minimizing

[0:56:15] Trustee Scott: we all disappear

[0:56:17] Trustee Scott: something weird but I could uh

[0:56:19] Trustee Scott: I could

[0:56:20] Voice 2: I could put I could share the screen also I'm not sure

[0:56:23] Voice 2: perhaps um the RPM was sharing or had the um document up if

[0:56:31] Trustee Fast: you could share it

[0:56:31] Voice 2: oh whoever

[0:56:33] Trustee Fast: Whoever. You guys decide.

[0:56:34] Trustee Fast: It would be good to have it up in front of the trustees.

[0:56:38] Trustee Fast: I think Heather's working on it.

[0:56:40] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:56:41] Voice 2: It's on the first page of the report.

[0:56:44] Voice 2: All right.

[0:56:45] Trustee Scott: I got it here.

[0:56:46] Trustee Scott: Okay. I'd like to make a motion that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee approve HOTUP2020.3 for a period of three years from the date of issue subject to the conditions imposed.

[0:57:09] Trustee Scott: by the permit.

[0:57:10] Trustee Fast: And I'll second that. And then I'm just going to ask a couple of real basic

[0:57:16] Trustee Fast: questions here. If this is a temporary use permit for three years, are we anticipating that it'll

[0:57:25] Trustee Fast: go to a rezoning at some point or continue as a temporary use permit? Or what's the long term?

[0:57:32] Voice 2: So typically, I mean, that's sort of a broad intent of temporary use permits in general.

[0:57:42] Voice 2: is that they would perhaps lead to some sort of rezoning.

[0:57:46] Voice 2: I mean, the applicant certainly permitted

[0:57:49] Voice 2: to apply for an extension, a renewal, pardon me,

[0:57:54] Voice 2: of the permit after those three years

[0:57:55] Voice 2: if everything's sort of gone well.

[0:57:58] Voice 2: But typically, I mean, the reason

[0:58:00] Voice 2: that this application is coming forward

[0:58:01] Voice 2: is because of the bylaw policy, the OCP policy

[0:58:06] Voice 2: and that bulk water sales would be something

[0:58:10] Voice 2: that should be looked at through a permitting process.

[0:58:12] Voice 2: So yes, the option is open for the association

[0:58:18] Voice 2: to apply for rezoning for the property.

[0:58:21] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:58:22] Voice 2: To allow the use outright in the zone regulations, yeah.

[0:58:26] Voice 2: Very

[0:58:26] Trustee Fast: good, okay, thank you.

[0:58:29] Trustee Fast: Trustee Scott, do you have any questions or any follow up?

[0:58:33] Trustee Scott: No, thank you.

[0:58:34] Trustee Fast: All right, then hearing no more discussion,

[0:58:37] Trustee Fast: I will call the question.

[0:58:39] Trustee Fast: question. All those in favor?

[0:58:41] Trustee Scott: I'm not sure whether you can see me or not anymore, but

[0:58:44] Trustee Scott: yes,

[0:58:45] Trustee Fast: we can. Thank

[0:58:46] Trustee Fast: you. You can always say in favor, and then it's really clear.

[0:58:51] Trustee Scott: How do I get back where I see us all here?

[0:58:55] Trustee Fast: If you go up into the top right corner where it says

[0:58:58] Trustee Fast: view, that little box, you click the little box way up there. No?

[0:59:04] Trustee Scott: No, it doesn't say view.

[0:59:08] Trustee Fast: all right

[0:59:11] Trustee Scott: okay okay

[0:59:14] Trustee Fast: thank you um we've just uh passed this motion uh both grant scott and i

[0:59:20] Trustee Fast: voted in favor and um uh so thank you very much everybody and now on to the next one i'm going

[0:59:28] Trustee Fast: to put a check mark beside that tamper use permit and um we're going to

[0:59:32] Voice 7: go on just want to remind

[0:59:34] Voice 7: you i have to call trustee allen back oh

[0:59:36] Trustee Fast: thank you yeah please do that because apparently my

[0:59:38] Trustee Fast: my mouse is about to die. I'll plug in a different mouse.

[0:59:49] Trustee Scott: I'm going to sign off. I'm going to sign

[0:59:51] Trustee Scott: off for just a second while you get Alex back.

[0:59:54] Trustee Fast: Okay. Let's take a two minute break then. Thank you.

[1:00:07] Voice 7: okay he's on his way okay thank

[1:00:17] Trustee Fast: you while i fiddle with the chords just a moment please

[1:00:19] Trustee Fast: and uh we're going to reconvene at 1102 we're reconvening at 1102 alex we're just taking a

[1:00:41] Trustee Fast: quick break okay welcome back alex and ian and i'm just gonna check uh trustee grant if uh scott

[1:02:27] Trustee Fast: if you're back uh oh i don't even see him on the list participants list i think we might have lost

[1:02:35] Trustee Fast: grant for a moment let's wait until he logs back in yes

[1:02:42] Voice 7: it looks like he might have turned

[1:02:43] Voice 7: everything off instead of just the camera and the thing so i will um yeah if he doesn't come

[1:02:52] Voice 7: on in a few moments i'll give him a call

[1:02:54] Trustee Fast: thank you um for those uh with us we're just reconvening

[1:03:00] Trustee Fast: after um ran out of batteries alex needed to come back and join us we just needed to

[1:03:06] Trustee Fast: take a moment and uh we're going to commence again on page 79 of the agenda

[1:03:13] Trustee Fast: she says scrolling madly there

[1:03:27] Voice 7: we go he's back now very

[1:03:30] Trustee Fast: good okay let's reconvene and uh we're on

[1:03:34] Trustee Fast: On 8.2, this is the Walmsley application, starting on page 79.

[1:03:41] Trustee Fast: Take it away, Planner Ian Cox.

[1:03:43] Voice 2: Okay, thank you, Chair.

[1:03:45] Voice 2: So this application is coming forward as was part of a siting and use permit that we received.

[1:03:52] Voice 2: and for structures on the property as is shown in the report in particularly the

[1:04:03] Voice 2: riparian area report by the biologist here on i'll just skip here so you can see that this is

[1:04:13] Voice 2: subject property and this is the riparian area development permit area the dpa and so these

[1:04:21] Voice 2: structures which are lock block retaining wall blocks for aggregate processing they store

[1:04:30] Voice 2: aggregate in those bays and so as we received the siting use permit we identified the need

[1:04:39] Voice 2: for a development permit because the activity and the structures are taking place within that

[1:04:43] Voice 2: that tpa staff's recommending issuance based on the qualified environmental professionals report

[1:04:52] Voice 2: that the applicant was required to obtain and i believe that the applicant is in attendance

[1:05:04] Voice 2: womsley is the last name i see them on the attendees list

[1:05:09] Voice 5: so

[1:05:11] Voice 2: there are some conditions

[1:05:12] Voice 2: to the permit and I think that we can take any questions about the report at

[1:05:17] Voice 2: this stage thank

[1:05:19] Trustee Fast: you very much planner Cox I'm just realizing I don't have my

[1:05:23] Trustee Fast: public participation guidelines up here so I'm just gonna do that but questions

[1:05:27] Trustee Fast: for the planner can is it

[1:05:29] Voice 2: because can everyone see the screen with the report

[1:05:31] Voice 2: and the recommendation there okay good thank you very

[1:05:34] Trustee Fast: good trustee Allen or

[1:05:36] Trustee Fast: or Trustee Scott, questions for the planner?

[1:05:40] Trustee Allen: Yeah, well, I had no idea that lock blocks

[1:05:44] Trustee Allen: were actually structures, I find that interesting.

[1:05:48] Trustee Allen: But anyways, what I'm questioning is,

[1:05:51] Trustee Allen: I find it really hard looking at your screen

[1:05:53] Trustee Allen: and looking at my screen, so sorry,

[1:05:55] Trustee Allen: I'm just gonna go back to my screen.

[1:05:57] Trustee Allen: On the first page, page 179 or 79,

[1:06:06] Trustee Allen: the bottom there that they applied,

[1:06:11] Trustee Allen: yeah staff identified the need for the owner to apply for a dp through the receipt of a citing

[1:06:15] Trustee Allen: use permit but they need another companion dp and is that because of the rar or what why do they

[1:06:22] Trustee Allen: have to have another they've already applied for dp through the citing use permit but they need to

[1:06:28] Trustee Allen: have another companion dp before the sdp could be issued so can you explain that so

[1:06:35] Voice 2: through the

[1:06:37] Voice 2: the chair um the need to obtain the dp was was uh was triggered by the the application for a

[1:06:47] Voice 2: sighting and use permit so perhaps staff's wording here is not clear enough but there's not a second

[1:06:53] Voice 2: dp it's just the one for the rar riparian area dpa um the sighting use permit is is for the

[1:07:01] Voice 2: structures but the dpa was triggered because of the work and the and the and the sighting of those

[1:07:07] Voice 2: structures in the dpa is that more clear okay

[1:07:11] Trustee Allen: so how i interpreted a companion dpa is not another

[1:07:14] Trustee Allen: dpa dp a

[1:07:16] Voice 2: companion just refers to um the the citing use permit and the dp are are are linked

[1:07:22] Voice 2: their applications yeah okay i was confused pardon for the confusion yeah

[1:07:26] Trustee Fast: okay any more

[1:07:28] Trustee Fast: questions for the planner no thank you very much then uh i'm going to call for uh the applicant

[1:07:37] Trustee Fast: if the applicant has anything they would like to say

[1:07:39] Trustee Fast: after the staff present the report and recommendations,

[1:07:44] Trustee Fast: the applicant may speak if they want to,

[1:07:46] Trustee Fast: or we can just move ahead with the meeting.

[1:07:49] Trustee Fast: If the applicant, I'm just looking over here,

[1:07:53] Trustee Fast: I'm not seeing, oh.

[1:07:55] Trustee Fast: I'm here, hi.

[1:07:56] Trustee Fast: Hi there.

[1:07:57] Trustee Fast: I

[1:07:57] Voice 17: don't actually have anything to say.

[1:07:59] Voice 17: I was just here to answer questions if there were any.

[1:08:01] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you very much then.

[1:08:04] Trustee Fast: And we'll give you, do you have a question trustee?

[1:08:07] Trustee Fast: Ellen yeah

[1:08:08] Trustee Allen: I just um wanted to ask Brea the um regarding that turnaround there's issues with

[1:08:13] Trustee Allen: the turnaround because you do have to move those lock blocks is that still going to be an issue

[1:08:18] Trustee Allen: um

[1:08:19] Voice 17: it may be yeah there's a well that um would prevent us from moving the lock blocks um just

[1:08:26] Voice 17: a few feet further away from the ditch which is required so we may have to move them um rather

[1:08:34] Voice 17: than just moving them three feet further from the ditch we may have to actually relocate them

[1:08:38] Voice 17: slightly but

[1:08:40] Trustee Allen: it's not a total burden

[1:08:41] Trustee Fast: well no thank you and uh any other questions for the

[1:08:48] Trustee Fast: uh applicant brea walmsley hearing none then let's go back to the um

[1:08:57] Trustee Fast: report and uh would one of the trustees like to um make the recommendation or another recommendation

[1:09:04] Trustee Fast: oh

[1:09:05] Trustee Allen: can i move oh

[1:09:07] Trustee Fast: trustee scott you haven't said anything yet did you have a question

[1:09:11] Trustee Fast: no

[1:09:11] Trustee Scott: i just want to uh make a resolution to approve it so if you could go back up please

[1:09:17] Trustee Scott: ian age 79 so i'd like to move that to horn it's

[1:09:27] Trustee Fast: just changed size there we go go ahead

[1:09:29] Trustee Fast: that

[1:09:29] Trustee Scott: the hornby island local trust committee approved issuance of hodp 2021.1 subject to the

[1:09:36] Trustee Scott: conditions imposed by the permit do

[1:09:39] Trustee Fast: i have a seconder

[1:09:40] Trustee Scott: second thank

[1:09:42] Trustee Fast: you so we've got a motion

[1:09:43] Trustee Fast: moved and seconded any more discussion hearing none i'll call the question all those in favor

[1:09:52] Trustee Fast: i see two hands up and my hand goes up that passes unanimously thank you very much

[1:09:58] Trustee Fast: and uh and now there's a another moment for the applicant uh to say a few words if they

[1:10:04] Trustee Fast: wish to. Did you want to say anything else, Brea?

[1:10:12] Voice 17: No, thank you. Thanks for your time.

[1:10:14] Trustee Fast: All right. Thank you very much. And we'll move on then to 8.3. So this starts on page 107.

[1:10:27] Trustee Fast: And I'll just get there myself. And is this you again, Planner Cox?

[1:10:35] Voice 2: Indeed.

[1:10:35] Voice 2: Very

[1:10:36] Trustee Fast: good. Please take it away, Planner Cox.

[1:10:40] Voice 2: Yeah, so this is coming forward, the applicant. It was coming forth as an inquiry, essentially. The applicant lives on a piece of agricultural land that's zoned A1 and is in the ALR, the Agricultural Land Reserve.

[1:10:56] Voice 2: and these applications and referrals to the ALC are somewhat confusing at some point so on page

[1:11:03] Voice 2: 107 here there is a summary of the process and essentially what the the ALC requires is that

[1:11:13] Voice 2: the local governments determine you know that it's that the proposal is at the outset compliant

[1:11:19] Voice 2: compliant with zoning and so forth, and then send a recommendation to the ALC so that the ALC can

[1:11:26] Voice 2: make their own decision as to what they will permit on ALR land, if that's clear. And in this

[1:11:34] Voice 2: case, you know, essentially the ALC has permitted, I mean, there's actually been quite a bit of policy

[1:11:41] Voice 2: change to the ALC Act and the ALC regulation, the use regulation and so forth. Over the last

[1:11:48] Voice 2: little while generally what's permitted as a second residence has been this

[1:11:53] Voice 2: mobile home or similar and in this case the applicant is seeking to to obtain

[1:12:02] Voice 2: permission to construct actually construct a building in place rather

[1:12:06] Voice 2: than have what is what is permitted as the mobile for the second residence and

[1:12:14] Voice 2: And so this process, bringing it forward to the LTC, is for the trust committee to make a decision as to whether it complies with density regulations and use in the Hornby bylaw, land use bylaw.

[1:12:30] Voice 2: And staff has analyzed it and deemed that it does comply, namely to residents on a certain size of parcel.

[1:12:39] Voice 2: And so the recommendation is to forward the application to the ALC to have them make that decision.

[1:12:48] Voice 2: So I believe that's it in a nutshell.

[1:12:55] Voice 2: Can you take any questions at this time?

[1:12:58] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:13:00] Trustee Fast: Very clear.

[1:13:02] Trustee Fast: Questions for the planner?

[1:13:04] Trustee Fast: Trustees?

[1:13:07] Trustee Fast: Oops, I'm on the wrong.

[1:13:09] Trustee Fast: There we go.

[1:13:11] Trustee Fast: I'm not seeing any questions.

[1:13:14] Trustee Fast: uh so then um do we want to hear from does the applicant wish to say anything on this one

[1:13:23] Trustee Fast: i

[1:13:24] Voice 2: believe the applicant through the chair i believe the applicant may be on the telephone

[1:13:27] Voice 2: is that correct um or share instead is the applicant yeah okay

[1:13:33] Trustee Fast: yep please go ahead sharon

[1:13:34] Trustee Fast: if you've got anything you wish

[1:13:35] Voice 4: to say oh can you hear me now yes please okay um no i have i have no

[1:13:41] Voice 4: questions um but i'm just here um to answer any any questions that come up thank

[1:13:47] Trustee Fast: you very much

[1:13:48] Trustee Fast: okay trustees do you have questions for the planner or the applicant not

[1:13:53] Trustee Allen: questions seeing none

[1:13:55] Trustee Fast: then i'm going to ask for a motion who would like to make the motion i'll

[1:14:01] Trustee Allen: move the motion and can

[1:14:03] Trustee Fast: you read it out please for the record i

[1:14:06] Trustee Allen: move that i move that the hornby island local trust committee

[1:14:09] Trustee Allen: requests to have to forward HO-ALR-2021.1 to the Agricultural Land Commission with the following

[1:14:18] Trustee Allen: comments. The Hornby Island Local Trust Committee finds HO-ALR-2021.1 to be consistent with the

[1:14:27] Trustee Allen: objectives and policies of the Hornby Island Official Community Plan and Hornby Island Land

[1:14:31] Trustee Allen: Use By-law Regulations and so deems the application to meet the criteria necessary

[1:14:34] Trustee Allen: to warrant consideration by the Commission for non-adhering residential use.

[1:14:39] Trustee Fast: thank you do i have a seconder

[1:14:43] Trustee Scott: also i'll second it

[1:14:44] Trustee Fast: thank you so both local trustees have moved

[1:14:48] Trustee Fast: and seconded the motion further discussion yes

[1:14:52] Trustee Allen: can i make a comment please

[1:14:53] Trustee Fast: go ahead trustee ellen

[1:14:55] Trustee Allen: i just have to say that the applicants a very extensive um what do you call it information

[1:15:02] Trustee Allen: they provided and background and they totally did their due diligence and short of having a

[1:15:07] Trustee Allen: helicopter drive drop that manufactured home on their property there's no way to get it on there

[1:15:12] Trustee Allen: and and it's interesting that you know alr is saying manufactured home versus a real home

[1:15:17] Trustee Allen: so i wish them that because we do have many issues where the alr does not agree with the lgc so

[1:15:25] Trustee Allen: um i'm just wondering whether we might want to add further comments to this because i know one

[1:15:29] Trustee Allen: can do is local trust committees to make it you know to give it more punch but how

[1:15:36] Trustee Fast: about we deal

[1:15:37] Trustee Fast: with the one that's in front of us now that the motion has been made and then decide if you want

[1:15:41] Trustee Fast: to say something further or propose something further uh trustee scott did you have any comments

[1:15:47] Trustee Fast: or questions no

[1:15:49] Trustee Scott: i don't thank you

[1:15:49] Trustee Fast: okay the motion has been moved and seconded then i'm going to call

[1:15:52] Trustee Fast: the question all those in favor two local trustee hands go up my hand goes up that passes unanimously

[1:15:59] Trustee Fast: thank you very much and did the applicant wish to make any further comments well

[1:16:09] Voice 4: I just would

[1:16:09] Voice 4: like to thank trustee Allen for his thoughtfulness about that because it you know we delayed doing

[1:16:17] Voice 4: this application for a long time because there's significant challenges so any little nudge or

[1:16:22] Voice 4: push for help we can get would be very much appreciated thank you thank

[1:16:27] Trustee Fast: you very much

[1:16:28] Trustee Fast: and I appreciate the bird sounds in the background as well I

[1:16:32] Voice 4: have my kitchen

[1:16:34] Voice 4: being torn apart so it's rather noisy in the house thank

[1:16:37] Trustee Fast: you I'm trustees or

[1:16:41] Trustee Fast: maybe we should ask the planner planner Cox do you have any suggestions about

[1:16:46] Trustee Fast: how encouraging wording would be received by the ALR what I don't want to

[1:16:53] Trustee Fast: to do is uh cause any um issues do you have any suggestions

[1:17:02] Voice 2: so i'm not sure that i'm clear on

[1:17:06] Voice 2: what encouragement uh means and or what con you know what contact the alr has um and well they

[1:17:15] Voice 2: have recently wrapped up some public consultation take taken quite a bit of information in they've

[1:17:21] Voice 2: heard a lot from residents and owners of alr property about what changes you know and their

[1:17:27] Voice 2: their policy at policies at this stage and regulations um how could appear to be somewhat

[1:17:36] Voice 2: fluid um you know the local governments can um impose further restrictions on on um on certain

[1:17:45] Voice 2: types of things on ALR land, but so I guess maybe could you frame the question?

[1:17:54] Voice 2: Different ways.

[1:17:55] Voice 2: Yeah,

[1:17:56] Trustee Fast: thank you.

[1:17:57] Voice 2: So what I meant is that they're ongoing in terms of their consultation and receiving

[1:18:03] Voice 2: comments on what changes they're going to make in the coming months.

[1:18:09] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. And that's helpful. I'm

[1:18:14] Trustee Fast: I'm wondering, trustees, did you want to wait and see what happens with this recommendation that we've all that's gone through the process and has and we've passed today before you decide if you want to take more action or trustee Scott?

[1:18:32] Trustee Scott: Well, my limited experience in this is through another application and we did strongly support it to the ALR and they, I mean, I think we've done what we can with this.

[1:18:44] Trustee Scott: and i think the advice is to get it in there as soon as possible and then and then um the

[1:18:52] Trustee Scott: applicant can figure out where they want to go with it past that i i don't know what we could

[1:18:58] Trustee Scott: say strongly support but i don't know what good that doesn't work with them so i think just getting

[1:19:02] Trustee Scott: it into them is what we want to do so

[1:19:06] Voice 2: to be clear and through the chair i mean this up this this

[1:19:09] Voice 2: this particular application and forwarding process

[1:19:15] Voice 2: is primarily to do with vetting an application

[1:19:22] Voice 2: for conformance with current bylaws, right?

[1:19:28] Voice 2: So if I'm sort of hearing some advocacy talk here,

[1:19:35] Voice 2: which is perhaps a different thing

[1:19:36] Voice 2: then considering whether an application meets local bylaws and then making that recommendation

[1:19:43] Voice 2: that it's up to the lc to decide how they will permit things to go on on alr land just for some

[1:19:49] Voice 2: clarity there yeah thank

[1:19:50] Trustee Fast: you that this is the formal process part that we're um that we've just

[1:19:55] Trustee Fast: passed and uh and i put a check mark beside it already um what i'm wondering uh local trustees

[1:20:03] Trustee Fast: is should we let this, it's only a referral.

[1:20:09] Trustee Fast: We let, we refer this, we answer the referral

[1:20:12] Trustee Fast: that the ALR made to us with this motion that we've passed

[1:20:17] Trustee Fast: and see whether you want to take further action later on.

[1:20:24] Trustee Scott: I have one other question, Sue Ellen.

[1:20:27] Trustee Scott: Basically for Heather, we said earlier,

[1:20:30] Trustee Scott: we're going to refer all applications now to Comox.

[1:20:34] Trustee Scott: when does that kick in obviously these last ones well this one here is is this one that we do send

[1:20:43] Trustee Scott: it to Comox the others are at the end of the process so this couldn't send them but really

[1:20:54] Voice 13: we decided we were going to start this week for so for new applications that came in this week

[1:20:59] Voice 13: after talking to Comox we would definitely forward those and then we've been assessing

[1:21:03] Voice 13: passing ones that were in stream to see if we felt that there was an issue.

[1:21:10] Voice 13: We are still, you know, and because this is an ALR, ALC decision ultimately, and not our permit,

[1:21:22] Voice 13: probably the way we will treat something like this is to recommend that the ALC

[1:21:27] Voice 13: take First Nations into consideration too.

[1:21:30] Voice 13: But,

[1:21:31] Trustee Scott: but, you know, without belaboring the point,

[1:21:34] Voice 13: that's

[1:21:36] Trustee Scott: the assumption we made with the thatch around the arc branch. So I think we have to be overly diligent in sending these things to Comox, even though there's another agency maybe more responsible for like the agricultural land reserve.

[1:21:53] Trustee Scott: So I certainly don't want to get caught in that trap that we trap.

[1:21:58] Trustee Scott: That's not the right word, but conundrum or whatever, like we got in last time.

[1:22:02] Trustee Fast: I will note that Planner Cox, which is to speak.

[1:22:06] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Planner Cox.

[1:22:09] Voice 2: So just to speak on the process of referring to Comox for any applications, there will

[1:22:15] Voice 2: be a trigger if the applicant were to receive permission from the ALC to do this, they would

[1:22:24] Voice 2: would still require a sighting use permit for the building at which time if there were concerns

[1:22:30] Voice 2: cultural heritage and archaeological concerns you know that would be but again

[1:22:36] Voice 2: but it's the same

[1:22:37] Trustee Scott: if you come back and say well we weren't informed earlier why weren't we informed

[1:22:44] Trustee Scott: i can just see it i can see it playing maybe not this one already controversial but this is where

[1:22:52] Trustee Scott: this is where it's going to get tricky right i mean no answer to this right now i just

[1:22:58] Trustee Scott: want us just saying you know we've got to be careful though it's different it's a different

[1:23:03] Trustee Scott: world agreed that's

[1:23:05] Trustee Fast: right and what what i'm hearing from the regional planning manager is that

[1:23:09] Trustee Fast: this week is when new applications start so we have to start somewhere and no

[1:23:15] Voice 5: that's good

[1:23:17] Voice 5: yeah

[1:23:18] Trustee Fast: and also just

[1:23:19] Trustee Fast: on this one on page 110 what i'm seeing in each of these reports from staff

[1:23:25] Trustee Fast: is first nations there's a little section about referring and uh how how do the you know how do we

[1:23:35] Trustee Fast: um participate with or or or move together with first nations so that's great to see in the staff

[1:23:42] Trustee Fast: reports now coming to you go ahead alan

[1:23:45] Trustee Fast: sorry just a second grant trustee alan go ahead grant

[1:23:50] Trustee Scott: you want to finish your point yes thank you so heather just a final point when when you said that

[1:23:58] Trustee Scott: we started this week comox accepted that yeah

[1:24:03] Voice 13: we i actually spoke with their referrals for court

[1:24:07] Voice 13: coordinator and that that's what they expressed to me as their wish okay that's good

[1:24:14] Trustee Scott: that's good

[1:24:15] Trustee Scott: yep

[1:24:15] Voice 13: okay

[1:24:17] Voice 2: thank you and so on

[1:24:18] Voice 2: that new process you the ltc can expect under that first nation

[1:24:22] Voice 2: section and staff reports for that to be changing and that's that's the place to look for watch this

[1:24:27] Voice 2: space right okay very

[1:24:29] Trustee Fast: good thank you trustee allen did you still have a question go ahead

[1:24:33] Trustee Allen: yeah i know you know why i brought this up about adding more punch to the application is because

[1:24:38] Trustee Allen: Because previously, my previous trustee, Tony Law, when we did some ALRs, we did add comment because quite often it sort of did help.

[1:24:50] Trustee Allen: But I hear what everybody else is saying.

[1:24:52] Trustee Allen: I'm making sure that all that material that we were given is going to be included with their application to the ALR.

[1:24:59] Trustee Allen: because if they read that they'll see there's I mean I was kind of coming from there's obvious

[1:25:04] Trustee Allen: constraints and issues with having a manufactured home in their property they would have to

[1:25:10] Trustee Allen: completely you know redo their entire acreage and so it's obviously not doable so I just want

[1:25:19] Trustee Allen: to make sure that all those materials included and if we it wouldn't hurt us just saying yes

[1:25:23] Trustee Allen: else there's obviously constraints even though there is a law there's a hardship here planner

[1:25:31] Trustee Fast: cox so

[1:25:32] Voice 2: the what's provided from the ltc to to the alc is the resolution and the rest of the

[1:25:39] Voice 2: information in support of the application from the applicant is what would it would come from

[1:25:45] Voice 2: the applicant to the alc at this stage okay including that letter of rationale and so forth

[1:25:54] Trustee Allen: And of course, if they do reject it, we have an opportunity as LTC to bring it back again, apparently. Do we not? If ALR rejects this, do we not as an LTC can bring back something to them? I heard that you can. I'm hearing a big blank.

[1:26:14] Voice 2: So staff could look into that, but I don't, I don't, I'm not sure for these types of applications, but I don't, I don't believe so. But I can, staff can certainly look into that.

[1:26:27] Voice 2: um can we

[1:26:28] Voice 2: let's

[1:26:29] Trustee Fast: see if what's needed before we give staff more work to do um that would be my

[1:26:35] Trustee Fast: suggestion and so i'm wondering now if we're ready to move on uh to the next one trustee scott i just

[1:26:44] Trustee Scott: want to thank ian for his work not easy working from home thank you heather yeah

[1:26:50] Trustee Fast: very good thank

[1:26:52] Trustee Fast: you okay thank you planner and we're on to the next one which is starts on page 122 and we have

[1:27:01] Trustee Fast: a different planner with us now this is planner jamie dubenya uh welcome jamie and uh please take

[1:27:07] Trustee Fast: it away um did you want me to put the

[1:27:14] Trustee Fast: staff report up on the screen i think it would be a good idea

[1:27:19] Trustee Fast: okay be working well for trustees if it's up

[1:27:23] Voice 18: sure okay let me just do that

[1:27:28] Voice 18: Okay are you seeing it? Yes. It looks different on my end. Okay great. Okay thank you. So

[1:27:34] Voice 18: this application is a rezoning application to permit the existing campground use on the subject

[1:27:40] Voice 18: property. The lot's currently zoned rural residential which is R2 which permits residential

[1:27:47] Voice 18: use but does not permit a commercial campground. The application was submitted as a result of

[1:27:54] Voice 18: bylaw enforcement action. Staff have provided a brief summary of the history of the campground

[1:27:59] Voice 18: in the staff report. So in general staff consider this application to be consistent with official

[1:28:07] Voice 18: community plan policies however as I've noted in the staff report several OCP policies are

[1:28:13] Voice 18: ambiguous in nature and may be addressed through the rezoning process. So there's policies related

[1:28:18] Voice 18: related to parking, screening, fire,

[1:28:22] Voice 18: those sorts of subjects

[1:28:24] Voice 18: those may be addressed through the rezoning process.

[1:28:28] Voice 18: So due to the close proximity to the marine environment

[1:28:31] Voice 18: and given the ongoing concerns

[1:28:33] Voice 18: related to groundwater contamination on Hornby,

[1:28:37] Voice 18: staff have recommended that the local trust committee

[1:28:39] Voice 18: request more information related to the onsite

[1:28:42] Voice 18: wastewater treatment systems for this campground.

[1:28:44] Voice 18: The applicant has provided at the request of staff

[1:28:47] Voice 18: staff a copy of a provincial groundwater license issued for commercial use. I'll just point out

[1:28:53] Voice 18: that there is a correction I just want to make just for the record. On page 126 of your agenda

[1:29:02] Voice 18: package, I've stated in the staff report that the lot is in, where is it, Aquifer 3A, which is the

[1:29:12] Voice 18: developed high vulnerability. I'm just going to highlight that. Aquifer, that's incorrect.

[1:29:18] Voice 18: i've correctly cited it um in the site context in attachment one that um the slot is in the 2a

[1:29:24] Voice 18: which is moderately developed high vulnerability aquifer so i just want to point that out

[1:29:30] Voice 18: 2a yeah and and yeah yeah so i just wanted to clarify that um so staff have also recommended

[1:29:37] Voice 18: the local trust committee request um that staff explore options for protecting the hazardous area

[1:29:42] Voice 18: identified on the subject property where is it this so here's this map on page 27

[1:29:49] Voice 18: of the agenda package which identifies a red area which is considered hazardous

[1:29:56] Voice 18: area according to Schedule B

[1:30:00] Voice 18: of the ocp f f it says f sorry yep got my alphabet mixed up um so yep so this area along

[1:30:08] Voice 18: this the natural boundary of the sea has is identified here schedule f um staff have presented

[1:30:15] Voice 18: some options but there could be others so one of those options is a section 219 covenant

[1:30:19] Voice 18: um to limit development in in the identified hazardous area or exploring options for land

[1:30:26] Voice 18: use bylaw regulations another option is a hazardous area development permit area but

[1:30:32] Voice 18: staff would not recommend that be placed just on one lot that'd be more island-wide

[1:30:39] Voice 18: project so since the completion of the staff report staff have notified Comox First Nation

[1:30:44] Voice 18: and Tlaman Nation in writing of the application no comment has been received yet so a general

[1:30:52] Voice 18: overview of the process and timeline for the reason application is provided on page 130

[1:30:57] Voice 18: of the agenda package which is here um and staff have also provided alternative resolutions for

[1:31:05] Voice 18: the ltc to consider found on page 131 there's three alternatives there and i'll just stop

[1:31:10] Voice 18: there and take any questions and go to the first page all

[1:31:15] Trustee Fast: right so uh we've got a detailed report

[1:31:18] Trustee Fast: here and who's got a question for the planner anybody go ahead trustee Allen

[1:31:28] Trustee Allen: um you know it about the night in night well I've been talking to neighbors and

[1:31:34] Trustee Allen: people that have had concerns about this way back in 2005 and 1983 but in

[1:31:41] Trustee Allen: particular it was a court ruling back in 1983 and it's only reference just very

[1:31:45] Trustee Allen: very, you know, in this tiny little spot that acknowledged that there was the legal non-conforming

[1:31:54] Trustee Allen: usage, right? And so my question is, and nothing is mentioned that at the point when the applicant

[1:32:04] Trustee Allen: was allowed to have a campsite, there was only 26 sites were allowed back then. And it's totally,

[1:32:09] Trustee Allen: is slowly evolved to 50 sites and that is not mentioned in this report and it's

[1:32:18] Trustee Allen: that was not what the intent was at the beginning and the applicant has changed

[1:32:23] Trustee Allen: it and totally um yeah I just wanted to mention that okay 26 sites and I'm just

[1:32:33] Trustee Allen: wondering whether you were aware of that or not anywhere yeah

[1:32:35] Voice 18: I am aware that the

[1:32:38] Voice 18: The number of sites is not referenced

[1:32:41] Voice 18: and I have been through the court ruling

[1:32:44] Voice 18: and the history that we have.

[1:32:47] Voice 18: So there's no reference to the specific number.

[1:32:50] Voice 18: So I didn't want to misquote a number in my staff report,

[1:32:54] Voice 18: but it has been determined that the campsite has grown

[1:32:59] Voice 18: since its original size prior to the adoption

[1:33:03] Voice 18: of the 1983 bylaw, that is what we know.

[1:33:07] Voice 18: Yeah.

[1:33:08] Trustee Allen: Okay. Thank you. Sorry. My concern is I'm not really, am I supposed to tell you how I feel

[1:33:18] Trustee Allen: right now? Probably not.

[1:33:20] Trustee Fast: Well, I think this is a good time for questions for the planner. And then

[1:33:25] Trustee Fast: once we get it on the floor, maybe that's a good time for the discussion. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thanks.

[1:33:30] Trustee Scott: Okay.

[1:33:30] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Questions for the planner, Trustee Scott?

[1:33:33] Trustee Scott: Well, my concern is similar to

[1:33:36] Trustee Scott: to what Alex said is that history of non-conforming use

[1:33:43] Trustee Scott: and how it's changed over time.

[1:33:48] Trustee Scott: And the whole site has grown in so many different ways.

[1:33:51] Trustee Scott: How many dwelling units are on there?

[1:33:53] Trustee Scott: There's cabins there, that's the question I have.

[1:33:59] Trustee Scott: And I don't clearly have an answer to that,

[1:34:01] Trustee Scott: but I know it's changed considerably since back then.

[1:34:03] Trustee Scott: and how does that affect this application jamie um

[1:34:13] Trustee Fast: go ahead planner yeah

[1:34:16] Voice 18: so my understanding from

[1:34:18] Voice 18: the information

[1:34:19] Voice 18: i've been provided is that there's a residence on the lot and there's various

[1:34:23] Voice 18: buildings that are used accessory buildings a studio the office that sort of thing um if they're

[1:34:30] Voice 18: being used outside of you know what is permitted i'm not aware of that um so you know perhaps more

[1:34:37] Voice 18: more information is required at this time to proceed yeah

[1:34:42] Trustee Scott: well how do we get oh sorry just

[1:34:43] Trustee Scott: let me let me finish that question jamie how do how do we how do we get that information just what

[1:34:49] Trustee Scott: is what is the site being used for at the present time i

[1:34:57] Voice 5: think we could what you just mentioned

[1:34:58] Trustee Scott: there's there's office there's laundry facilities there's a resident for the people working there

[1:35:05] Trustee Scott: there there's um cabins there's a home i mean i'm

[1:35:13] Voice 5: not taking away

[1:35:14] Trustee Scott: from the fact i'm not taking away

[1:35:15] Trustee Scott: from the fact that it's it's an important site on hornby island they do a great job people love it

[1:35:20] Trustee Scott: there but these are questions about land use and planning as i see it and an application is coming

[1:35:26] Trustee Scott: forward and those are all questions that as alex said the local people are bringing up i think we

[1:35:34] Trustee Fast: We can always ask staff for more information in a report.

[1:35:37] Trustee Fast: But go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[1:35:41] Trustee Allen: Yeah, I'm just going to add to what Grant said.

[1:35:43] Trustee Allen: Yeah, and then I can't, every time I want to count how many trailers there are,

[1:35:48] Trustee Allen: there's always a car behind me, so I have to go faster.

[1:35:50] Trustee Allen: So I'm trying, there's a lot of big trailers there as well,

[1:35:53] Trustee Allen: because of the fact they've got way too many campsites from the previous agreement,

[1:35:58] Trustee Allen: is that they have cars parked on the side of the road all over the place

[1:36:02] Trustee Allen: because they can't park in the campsite.

[1:36:05] Trustee Allen: and then so i'm just wanting yeah so it's current so we might have to have more information

[1:36:09] Trustee Allen: a site visit some such thing because uh it's not accurate what's been conveyed here because of

[1:36:16] Trustee Allen: because the fact that you haven't been able to have a site visit i but also i also want to bring

[1:36:21] Trustee Allen: up as well i walked my dog around that neighborhood on the beach and i'm really concerned with the

[1:36:27] Trustee Allen: slopes and i do hear that the applicant has been cutting many trees along there and i can say

[1:36:33] Trustee Allen: probably five six years ago there was a chunk that was like a little desert island came off

[1:36:37] Trustee Allen: the edge of the cliff with a tree on it sat there and it's it's really vulnerable that whole area

[1:36:43] Trustee Allen: along there so um i have concerns with that as well in terms of the density of the campsite

[1:36:49] Trustee Allen: and the fact that it's very unstable the whole cliff i'm

[1:36:55] Trustee Fast: looking at page 131 and one of the

[1:36:57] Trustee Fast: alternatives that staff have provided to the ltc is to request further information and there's a

[1:37:02] Trustee Fast: draft motion there on the bottom of page one sorry number two on page 131 here we could ask

[1:37:11] Trustee Fast: request further information beyond the recommendations and so take a look at that

[1:37:17] Trustee Fast: and see if you want to um trustees whether you would like to uh it sounds to me like you're

[1:37:24] Trustee Fast: asking for more information go ahead trustee allen yeah

[1:37:27] Trustee Allen: see jamie would you need more like

[1:37:29] Trustee Allen: like direct information regarding what kind of sorry that's redundant information you want we

[1:37:34] Trustee Allen: want you to give us because when we say further information would you is would you know what you

[1:37:38] Trustee Allen: be doing yeah thanks for the

[1:37:42] Voice 18: question i just wanted to point out that um through the process

[1:37:46] Voice 18: that the idea of the rezoning you know it would be a site-specific zoning so you can you know

[1:37:54] Voice 18: identify how many sites there can be and the setbacks and that sort of thing so that you know

[1:38:01] Voice 18: the the uses and the buildings and structures that are existing could be addressed um you know

[1:38:08] Voice 18: depending on how you know how the ldc decides but you know those you know so the staff staff

[1:38:17] Voice 18: are going by what they've been provided by the applicants and obviously on island folks may have

[1:38:22] Voice 18: have more information um and i think you know providing um like staff with direction specifically

[1:38:29] Voice 18: what sort of information you want might be the best way to go because you know i've you know that

[1:38:34] Voice 18: more more specific direction helps us specifically with reaching out to the applicant and identifying

[1:38:40] Voice 18: what we need from the applicant as well right so i think the more specific the better go ahead

[1:38:46] Voice 18: trustee allen you

[1:38:48] Trustee Allen: know just in terms of something even requiring the applicant to have a covenant

[1:38:52] Trustee Allen: that it has to remain a campsite here on with this many sites only can that be required asked of

[1:38:58] Trustee Allen: something

[1:39:00] Voice 18: that staff can look into for sure you know i'm i'm aware that there's a lot across the

[1:39:06] Voice 18: road that has a covenant registered on title that speaks to campground that believe that

[1:39:10] Voice 18: they were connected at some point so there's a long history you know in this area and this this

[1:39:15] Voice 18: site so that's something that staff can certainly look into if

[1:39:20] Trustee Fast: i can uh step in for a moment i just

[1:39:22] Trustee Fast: want to point out that um this is the beginning of a rezoning process and we've got the table on

[1:39:28] Trustee Fast: page 130 the kind of flow chart that shows where we are we're just at sort of the uh preliminary

[1:39:35] Trustee Fast: staff report right and uh that one if you could just hover your mouse over it there like where

[1:39:42] Trustee Fast: where the mouse is yeah and um so there's lots of steps to go and a full public process with

[1:39:48] Trustee Fast: We haven't even got to first reading yet.

[1:39:50] Trustee Fast: So, however, you're bringing things to the planner's attention.

[1:39:54] Trustee Fast: And on that page three, it does say, what kind of information do you want staff to report further on?

[1:40:01] Trustee Fast: So go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[1:40:03] Trustee Allen: Sorry, I just want to add, in terms of saying you had contact to Columbus First Nations, is that directly to them?

[1:40:09] Trustee Allen: Is that with our new motion that we passed?

[1:40:12] Trustee Allen: Or is that through the name of the referral agency?

[1:40:16] Trustee Allen: or is it directly, did you send this directly

[1:40:19] Trustee Allen: to Co-Owners First Nations?

[1:40:20] Trustee Allen: Yeah, thanks,

[1:40:21] Voice 18: through the chair.

[1:40:22] Voice 18: Directly to the nation, to the referrals coordinator.

[1:40:27] Voice 18: Yeah, so

[1:40:28] Trustee Allen: the staff to

[1:40:28] Voice 18: staff, basically, yeah.

[1:40:30] Trustee Allen: Thank you.

[1:40:32] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:40:33] Trustee Fast: How about you, Trustee Scott?

[1:40:35] Trustee Fast: We haven't heard from you.

[1:40:35] Trustee Fast: Do you have any questions for the planner

[1:40:37] Trustee Fast: or things that you want to bring up?

[1:40:40] Trustee Scott: I do.

[1:40:43] Trustee Scott: I think it's good to ask these questions

[1:40:45] Trustee Scott: early on in the process, Jamie,

[1:40:47] Trustee Scott: so you will know get a good idea about what what we're hearing on hornby island um part of it is

[1:40:56] Trustee Scott: the this issue of non-conforming what are the changes that have occurred on the site since

[1:41:03] Trustee Scott: 19 1983 i think that was the date of the when the non-conforming kicked in and i'm asking this

[1:41:10] Trustee Scott: because we went through the same thing down at ford's coal which is a non-conforming use right

[1:41:15] Trustee Scott: and ask many of the same type questions.

[1:41:18] Trustee Scott: So what I think we want to know is

[1:41:22] Trustee Scott: what are the changes that have happened since 1983?

[1:41:25] Trustee Scott: Dwelling units, cabins, a number of campsites,

[1:41:30] Trustee Scott: storage sheds, the location where these are

[1:41:35] Trustee Scott: in relation to setbacks.

[1:41:38] Trustee Allen: Erosion of cliffs.

[1:41:41] Trustee Scott: The relation to cliff, yeah.

[1:41:42] Trustee Scott: The clearing that's been going on on the cliff

[1:41:47] Trustee Scott: and refuse going over the bank these are things that people keep have pointed out that i've heard

[1:41:58] Trustee Scott: that i think we should i mean we we're alerting the applicant as well these are the issues that

[1:42:03] Trustee Scott: are going to come up and um staff that these are the things we're going to be looking at

[1:42:08] Trustee Scott: in the future thank

[1:42:11] Trustee Fast: you and uh trustee allen yeah

[1:42:14] Trustee Allen: i'm sorry one more thing and they they have these

[1:42:16] Trustee Allen: stair access that goes down along that cliff to the beach and every year it disappears because

[1:42:22] Trustee Allen: of the erosion of the cliff so that's another big you know and it's also think of it with the lens

[1:42:29] Trustee Allen: of climate change as well it's a it's disappearing that cliff so

[1:42:35] Trustee Scott: i uh if i could go back could we go

[1:42:39] Trustee Scott: back to the page with that number two on there because

[1:42:42] Trustee Fast: i think 31 yeah

[1:42:44] Trustee Scott: um yes number two so i

[1:42:48] Trustee Scott: I think I'd be ready to make a resolution, Alex.

[1:42:52] Trustee Scott: Yeah.

[1:42:53] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Scott.

[1:42:56] Trustee Scott: So I'd like to move that the LTC request further information.

[1:43:03] Trustee Fast: You could look at the

[1:43:04] Trustee Fast: italics underneath.

[1:43:06] Trustee Scott: Oh, I see.

[1:43:07] Trustee Scott: Okay.

[1:43:08] Trustee Scott: Okay.

[1:43:09] Trustee Scott: Local.

[1:43:09] Trustee Scott: Yeah.

[1:43:12] Trustee Scott: The local islands,

[1:43:14] Trustee Scott: Cornaby Island local trust committee requested the applicant submit to

[1:43:18] Trustee Scott: the islands trust.

[1:43:18] Trustee Scott: the information that Jamie that I stated earlier I don't know if you want could you read it into

[1:43:27] Trustee Scott: the I

[1:43:30] Trustee Fast: I tried to take notes would you like me to try sure

[1:43:33] Trustee Scott: um

[1:43:34] Trustee Fast: describe the changes that have

[1:43:36] Trustee Fast: occurred since 1983 comma locations of dwelling units comma locations of cabins comma locations

[1:43:51] Trustee Fast: relative to setbacks comma number of campsites comma and erosion of cliffs or shoreline whatever

[1:44:06] Trustee Fast: you want to call it um and clearing that has taken place stairways and refuse that's what i have on

[1:44:19] Trustee Fast: my list how did

[1:44:20] Trustee Scott: i partly and i think also in relation to the setbacks so it's not just the

[1:44:27] Trustee Scott: fact that they're there but where where are they in relation to the legal setbacks i

[1:44:32] Trustee Fast: i think i

[1:44:33] Trustee Fast: had that in there but locations relative to setbacks yeah

[1:44:37] Trustee Scott: good except add utility there's

[1:44:41] Trustee Scott: there's utility sheds in different okay washrooms thank

[1:44:47] Trustee Fast: you we're adding to the list go ahead uh

[1:44:49] Trustee Fast: i'm gonna ask the planner is this helpful go ahead planner yeah

[1:44:55] Voice 18: i just wanted to clarify

[1:44:56] Voice 18: by refuse you mean waste like solid waste or well

[1:45:05] Trustee Scott: it's branches i mean it's not garbage

[1:45:08] Trustee Scott: you know it's it's not human gar it's not that form of gar not plastic and

[1:45:14] Trustee Scott: okay i just wanted to clarify that yeah yeah no no no no they're not no okay so i okay

[1:45:22] Trustee Scott: okay sorry

[1:45:23] Voice 18: so i just wanted to just note that there are you know we do have um historic setting

[1:45:29] Voice 18: use permits um so you know like on paper we could track you know that like you know the applications

[1:45:37] Voice 18: over time um outside of that i mean you know requesting it from the applicant that's that

[1:45:44] Voice 18: can be done but i you know don't know you know i can only go by what i have on paper basically

[1:45:49] Voice 18: and then what they've told me um so i don't know if it makes sense to present you know come back

[1:45:56] Voice 18: with like a site plan over time or just lists you know what you know the chronology it looks like

[1:46:04] Voice 18: heather's got something to say so yeah i just want to

[1:46:07] Trustee Fast: yeah i'll invite the i i see you alex

[1:46:09] Trustee Fast: i'll come to you next but go ahead planner car or sorry manager um

[1:46:14] Voice 13: i imagine that as we just want

[1:46:17] Voice 13: want to know what all of those things, the state of all of those things are right now on the

[1:46:22] Voice 13: property. I think, yeah, it probably would be harder for the applicant or us to tell you what

[1:46:31] Voice 13: the chronology was, like year by year or something like that. I don't know if we're going to be able

[1:46:35] Voice 13: to get that kind of information, but we could definitely ask for what's on the property right

[1:46:41] Voice 13: right now, which is obviously different

[1:46:43] Voice 13: than what was there in 1983.

[1:46:45] Voice 13: And we see that the purpose of that is,

[1:46:48] Voice 13: this is a rezoning application.

[1:46:51] Voice 13: The purpose of this application is to make everything

[1:46:54] Voice 13: that's on the property right now legal.

[1:46:58] Voice 13: So that's what I understand the purpose

[1:47:02] Voice 13: of that information would be.

[1:47:05] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[1:47:06] Trustee Fast: So that would mean as we're thinking about this motion,

[1:47:10] Trustee Fast: changing the words describe the changes that have occurred since 1983 to describe the state

[1:47:17] Trustee Fast: of the property um and what's on it right now well

[1:47:21] Trustee Scott: no no excuse me i think it's a little bit

[1:47:23] Trustee Scott: more than that i don't think we need the chronology in other words chronology means

[1:47:28] Trustee Scott: this happened in 1983 four or five no what was the state in 1982 that's under the

[1:47:36] Trustee Scott: well that set up the um non-conforming use so it's like a what's the benchmark then and where

[1:47:44] Trustee Scott: is it now good

[1:47:48] Trustee Fast: thank you i'm going to go to trustee allen who's had his hand up for a while

[1:47:51] Trustee Fast: go ahead trustee allen well

[1:47:54] Trustee Allen: yeah well when grant was first reading the motion and then you morphed

[1:47:58] Trustee Allen: to going to the italic part like i don't i what i was coming from is not going to the applicant

[1:48:04] Trustee Allen: is actually having us staff to a site visit

[1:48:07] Trustee Allen: and look at what's going on there right now

[1:48:10] Trustee Allen: with the applicant being there.

[1:48:11] Trustee Allen: But I don't, I would rather have an actual person

[1:48:14] Trustee Allen: going and looking, a staff member,

[1:48:16] Trustee Allen: not having the applicant provide that information.

[1:48:19] Trustee Allen: They could do it together.

[1:48:20] Trustee Allen: But I really want them to see the cliffs.

[1:48:22] Trustee Allen: I want them to see, yeah, in more detail.

[1:48:25] Trustee Allen: And that's where I was coming from

[1:48:27] Trustee Allen: and also listening to Rachel,

[1:48:29] Trustee Allen: the manager, the manager, Heather,

[1:48:31] Trustee Allen: that uh yeah it doesn't make sense a chronological chronological order is to see what's there

[1:48:39] Trustee Allen: but i was requesting a site visit

[1:48:41] Trustee Fast: gotcha thank you

[1:48:43] Trustee Allen: um

[1:48:45] Trustee Fast: okay i'm wondering uh where we are with this

[1:48:50] Trustee Fast: um motion

[1:48:53] Voice 5: i'm

[1:48:54] Trustee Fast: one no no this is this is very helpful thank you that's a separate part might

[1:48:58] Trustee Fast: be a second part of the motion or a second motion um i don't know we'll see what uh vicky's got for

[1:49:04] Trustee Fast: us back there as she's trying to capture this um motion that we're uh creating vicky do you

[1:49:12] Trustee Fast: oh um

[1:49:13] Voice 10: what i have may vary a little bit but uh let's see um it's moved that the hornby island

[1:49:24] Voice 10: well that the hornby island local trust committee requests that the applicants submit to the hornby

[1:49:29] Voice 10: and local trust committee the information uh oh no wait a minute sorry okay uh submit to the

[1:49:39] Voice 10: hornbeam and local trust committee the following describe the changes that have occurred on the

[1:49:44] Voice 10: site since 1983 the location of dwelling units cabins number of campsites storage sheds and

[1:49:51] Voice 10: and their locations in terms of setbacks erosion of the cliff and clearing and refuse going over

[1:49:59] Voice 10: the bank that has taken place on the cliff yep

[1:50:05] Trustee Fast: and do you have number of campsites in there yes okay

[1:50:10] Trustee Scott: could she put that could she put that up on the screen i

[1:50:13] Trustee Fast: don't know if we have a way to do it can

[1:50:15] Trustee Fast: you put it in the chat would that work

[1:50:18] Trustee Scott: trust council i guess i'm

[1:50:21] Voice 10: on a separate system yeah

[1:50:23] Trustee Fast: okay okay

[1:50:24] Trustee Fast: thank you um so it right now that motion does not have staff visit in it and right now it

[1:50:32] Trustee Fast: says applicants submit to the local trust committee should it say that or should it say

[1:50:37] Trustee Fast: to the islands trust because i think we want the information to go to staff okay thank you i can

[1:50:44] Trustee Fast: change that okay yes

[1:50:45] Trustee Scott: yeah we do and

[1:50:46] Trustee Fast: i'm going to suggest from what i heard that we take out the

[1:50:50] Trustee Fast: words describe the changes that have occurred since 1983 and replace that with describe the

[1:51:00] Trustee Fast: the state of the property, including.

[1:51:06] Trustee Scott: Planner Dabinia?

[1:51:07] Trustee Scott: Yes, but I

[1:51:07] Trustee Scott: think the point of this though

[1:51:09] Trustee Scott: is relative to 1983.

[1:51:14] Trustee Scott: So what was it all?

[1:51:17] Trustee Scott: That's where it goes back to what was allowed then.

[1:51:22] Trustee Scott: I think you're right.

[1:51:23] Trustee Scott: And what is there today?

[1:51:25] Trustee Scott: And if it's all copacetic, well then.

[1:51:32] Trustee Fast: Well, we need to see what, yeah.

[1:51:35] Trustee Fast: Yeah. Okay. Planner Debenia? Oh, sorry. Planner Cower. Manager Cower.

[1:51:41] Trustee Fast: As

[1:51:41] Voice 13: I understand it, what all the court cases were about and established was that there were six campsites that were allowed and that that was legally nonconforming.

[1:51:58] Voice 13: that that's what they had so anything beyond six campsites is what they need to now address with

[1:52:06] Voice 13: this rezoning application okay

[1:52:09] Voice 5: trustee

[1:52:12] Trustee Fast: Scott I'm sorry

[1:52:13] Trustee Scott: 29 or something go

[1:52:15] Trustee Fast: ahead Alex I can't hear

[1:52:18] Trustee Fast: you you I just wonder

[1:52:21] Trustee Allen: what the original motions that we have on regarding this application as

[1:52:24] Trustee Allen: well I mean that's pertinent information I think we'd be or is that something I should ask ask

[1:52:29] Trustee Allen: staffs that this should be something after we get this particular information we're requiring

[1:52:33] Trustee Allen: in terms of the original motions uh

[1:52:37] Voice 18: the sorry the the staff recommendations on page on the

[1:52:42] Voice 18: first page of the staff regarding

[1:52:43] Trustee Allen: the wastewater and the hazardous slope yeah

[1:52:46] Voice 18: i'd suggest do it

[1:52:47] Voice 18: having them all if that's if that's what the lcc you know the direction lcc would like to give staff

[1:52:53] Voice 18: is to is you know might as well add all the

[1:52:57] Voice 18: requests yeah I did just want to point out

[1:53:00] Voice 18: something that there is the applicant at staff's request has submitted a survey plan which is in

[1:53:07] Voice 18: attachment three page what 139 of the staff report so you know that is a BCLS surveyors

[1:53:17] Voice 18: survey plan that includes setbacks and you know what is on the lot as of the date february 23rd

[1:53:25] Voice 18: 2021 so i just wanted to point that out not sure if it would because we haven't brought that up yet

[1:53:34] Trustee Fast: yeah it shows the buildings it doesn't show the campsites but

[1:53:37] Voice 18: yes the buildings are there

[1:53:38] Trustee Fast: and relating to the setbacks and

[1:53:41] Voice 18: so i just wanted to point out the issue with uh campsites is they're

[1:53:46] Voice 18: not technically a structure so you know we can't have a surveyor going out and measuring you know

[1:53:51] Voice 18: the i mean maybe could but you know so that's that maybe is where the difficulty could be um but then

[1:53:57] Voice 18: perhaps the site plan makes sense at that for that issue trustee ellen well

[1:54:05] Trustee Allen: the the there's also the

[1:54:06] Trustee Allen: map attached the guy to all the campsites and there's 52 i counted and that's uh definitely

[1:54:14] Trustee Allen: not six or 26. okay you know it's it doesn't have to be like measured or whatever that shows you

[1:54:20] Trustee Allen: right there how many amount so we've

[1:54:25] Trustee Scott: got a number of i

[1:54:26] Trustee Scott: think just to get past this i think i think

[1:54:29] Trustee Scott: we know the information let's just say get rid of the trying to go back and look at the 1983 date

[1:54:39] Trustee Scott: and i think that's the way it's written now but at the same time could you send us i don't have

[1:54:47] Trustee Scott: the information on what that court case or whatever it was that established the non-conforming use

[1:54:54] Trustee Scott: that's what i don't have okay

[1:55:00] Trustee Fast: we've got four motions i see in front of us and you might be

[1:55:05] Trustee Fast: adding a a follow-up action kind of thing uh trustee allen um

[1:55:11] Trustee Allen: i just want to say that i did

[1:55:12] Trustee Allen: contact another neighbor who does actually have a copy of that court case the 1983 who was skiing

[1:55:20] Trustee Allen: yesterday so I couldn't get a hold of them and not this morning but I if the staff I can pass

[1:55:26] Trustee Allen: that on to you or I can include it as information I'm sure how that works do I send that

[1:55:30] Trustee Fast: package

[1:55:32] Trustee Allen: yes that

[1:55:33] Trustee Fast: would be great thank you um you

[1:55:35] Trustee Allen: may not have that obviously because that's a long time ago

[1:55:39] Trustee Fast: okay this is uh Alex to Jamie okay I'm up to five actions here on my little list um should we pass

[1:55:47] Trustee Allen: a motion let's

[1:55:48] Trustee Fast: go back to the uh yes let's go back to the top did you want to pass those

[1:55:54] Trustee Allen: yes

[1:55:55] Trustee Fast: to start with those okay so who's going to start go ahead trustee allen we'll

[1:56:00] Trustee Allen: start and then

[1:56:00] Trustee Allen: grant can do the other one um i move that the corny island local trust committee request the applicant

[1:56:05] Trustee Allen: horz 2020.1 provide the following information a details of the on-site wastewater system for

[1:56:12] Trustee Allen: the campground operation in the form of an island health filing for the on-site wastewater treatment

[1:56:16] Trustee Allen: system or a copy of report by qualified professional engineer with expertise in

[1:56:21] Trustee Allen: wastewater treatment for non-domestic services and two at the home ground

[1:56:25] Trustee Allen: local trust committee so do I do separately vote let's

[1:56:29] Trustee Fast: do this because it

[1:56:31] Trustee Fast: occurs to me that possibly the applicant is here and we could ask questions to

[1:56:37] Trustee Fast: I'm supposed to give them according to our guidelines I should give them a

[1:56:40] Trustee Fast: chance to speak do I have a seconder for that motion thank you and any more

[1:56:46] Trustee Fast: discussion on this motion about the waste on site wastewater system okay then i'm going to call the

[1:56:53] Trustee Fast: question all those in favor i see three hands went up thank you so that passed unanimously and uh at

[1:57:01] Trustee Fast: this point i'm just gonna uh sorry i forgot about this before we passed that motion um just gonna

[1:57:07] Trustee Fast: see if the applicant has is with us or whether they want to say anything they may choose not to

[1:57:14] Trustee Fast: um or they may not even be with us today um i

[1:57:19] Voice 18: don't see his name um but he has been advised

[1:57:21] Voice 18: of the meeting okay

[1:57:23] Trustee Fast: yeah no i'm not seeing any hands go up i don't see the name okay so let's

[1:57:28] Trustee Fast: just uh thank you and we'll go back to the um i'm going back to my panelist panel and uh back uh so

[1:57:37] Trustee Fast: trustee go

[1:57:38] Trustee Fast: ahead i

[1:57:40] Trustee Allen: move that the horn valley local trust committee requests staff explore

[1:57:42] Trustee Allen: or options for protecting the hazardous area

[1:57:45] Trustee Allen: identified in the subject property in Schedule F,

[1:57:47] Trustee Allen: hazard areas of the Hornbeam Island

[1:57:49] Trustee Allen: Official Community Plan By-law number 149.

[1:57:51] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:57:53] Trustee Fast: Do I have a seconder?

[1:57:55] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Grant Scott.

[1:57:56] Trustee Fast: And any discussion about this one?

[1:57:59] Trustee Fast: All in favor?

[1:58:02] Trustee Fast: Two hands went up.

[1:58:03] Trustee Fast: My hand goes up.

[1:58:04] Trustee Fast: That passed unanimously.

[1:58:05] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:58:06] Trustee Fast: I'm doing this so that the record keeper back there,

[1:58:10] Trustee Fast: Vicki, can catch all this.

[1:58:12] Trustee Fast: and then uh vicky maybe you could read us what you've got down there for the third one

[1:58:17] Trustee Fast: at this time what's it sounding like yeah

[1:58:22] Voice 9: let me find it just a second

[1:58:25] Voice 10: that the hornby island local trust committee requests that the applicants submit to the

[1:58:31] Voice 10: island's trust the following describe the state of the property including location of dwelling

[1:58:39] Voice 10: units cabins number of campsites storage sheds and their locations in terms of setbacks

[1:58:45] Voice 10: Erosion of cliff and clearing and refuse going over the bank that has taken place on cliff.

[1:58:58] Trustee Fast: That's where it's at. What do you think, Trustee Allen?

[1:59:03] Trustee Allen: Was there tree removal as well in that?

[1:59:08] Voice 10: No, it just says erosion of the cliff.

[1:59:10] Trustee Allen: Can we? Is that a friendly amendment if I ask? It's not an amendment.

[1:59:14] Trustee Fast: Nobody's made the motion yet.

[1:59:15] Trustee Allen: If we can add tree removal right beside that.

[1:59:19] Voice 9: erosion of cliff tree removal and erosion of cliff maybe yes

[1:59:23] Voice 5: okay yeah i think

[1:59:29] Voice 9: there was the

[1:59:29] Voice 9: i said and clearing yeah i said and clearing yeah okay which would you prefer sorry would

[1:59:37] Voice 9: you prefer tree removal or and clearing it's

[1:59:40] Trustee Allen: two different things okay

[1:59:42] Trustee Fast: all right and uh grant you

[1:59:45] Trustee Fast: had mentioned utilities at some point what what would you

[1:59:48] Trustee Scott: well i think i i heard that word in

[1:59:50] Trustee Scott: in there somewhere didn't i what

[1:59:53] Voice 9: word uh

[1:59:54] Trustee Scott: utilities there's oh i'm sorry add that please add what i'm

[2:00:00] Voice 9: sorry uh

[2:00:01] Trustee Scott: utilities you utilities what do you call them i don't know

[2:00:07] Voice 9: location of utility sheds

[2:00:08] Trustee Scott: yeah yeah there's

[2:00:10] Trustee Scott: sheds there's there's um bathrooms there's laundry facility there's

[2:00:16] Trustee Scott: amenities

[2:00:17] Trustee Fast: well i think it's good you get the utility shed in there if there's a power or

[2:00:23] Trustee Fast: sheds yeah

[2:00:24] Trustee Scott: yes okay yeah

[2:00:25] Trustee Scott: all

[2:00:27] Trustee Fast: right i wasn't sure whether you meant like power lines and

[2:00:29] Trustee Fast: no

[2:00:30] Trustee Scott: no no no okay

[2:00:31] Trustee Fast: good all right thank you just checking trustee allen sorry

[2:00:34] Trustee Allen: one more thing um

[2:00:35] Trustee Allen: is a site visit in that i was thinking

[2:00:38] Trustee Scott: that's the next that's a that's a separate motion

[2:00:40] Trustee Scott: separate one okay let's just get it so i'll move that one yeah i'll second it

[2:00:45] Trustee Fast: okay thank you

[2:00:48] Trustee Fast: and uh any more discussion or do you want it read back or are we ready to vote

[2:00:52] Trustee Scott: nope let's

[2:00:53] Trustee Fast: do it and uh i'll call the question all those in favor two local trustee hands my

[2:00:59] Trustee Fast: hand goes up that passes unanimously thank you and uh then the next one would be about uh and that uh

[2:01:08] Trustee Fast: the hornby island local trust committee request the applicant uh to um provide a site visit for

[2:01:18] Trustee Fast: staff yes is that

[2:01:20] Trustee Fast: what you want yes thank you

[2:01:22] Trustee Fast: okay and you got that vicky yeah yeah thank you

[2:01:27] Trustee Fast: can

[2:01:27] Trustee Scott: that include one of the trustees is that appropriate or is that not i don't know

[2:01:35] Trustee Scott: i

[2:01:36] Trustee Fast: don't think it's a good idea to have the trustees with staff i think it should be

[2:01:42] Trustee Fast: let's

[2:01:42] Trustee Scott: yeah okay let's keep it all really clean yeah

[2:01:45] Trustee Scott: yeah yeah it's just um yeah okay yeah for

[2:01:49] Trustee Fast: now okay

[2:01:50] Trustee Scott: i yeah i agree okay let's just leave it at that

[2:01:53] Trustee Fast: all right uh then uh i'll make that motion

[2:01:59] Trustee Allen: I'll second it.

[2:02:00] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Allen. Any more discussion on that motion? All in favor? Thank you.

[2:02:08] Trustee Fast: Two local trustees and then my hand goes up. That passes unanimously. And then the next one

[2:02:14] Trustee Fast: I had was just an action item. Trustee Allen is going to get a hold of a copy of the court case

[2:02:25] Trustee Fast: and make it available to staff and

[2:02:30] Trustee Scott: when staff when you get it would you circulate it back to us

[2:02:33] Trustee Scott: please i

[2:02:34] Trustee Fast: think maybe yeah that would be good okay thank you so that's just an action item so we've

[2:02:40] Trustee Fast: passed four motions there and uh i'm just going to i think we're off to a good start i'm just

[2:02:47] Trustee Fast: checking the attendees the applicant hasn't joined us have they possible they're watching

[2:02:54] Trustee Fast: the live stream and would want to say something at this point i don't see them but i don't know

[2:02:59] Trustee Fast: the names well enough to be sure nobody is saying they're there okay then i'm going to go back and

[2:03:06] Trustee Fast: we'll move on thank you very much everybody um we're at 1203 we're going to take a break at 1205

[2:03:13] Trustee Fast: um so let's take a break now and come back at uh uh 12 35. how's that okay okay good this meeting

[2:03:24] Trustee Fast: is on a break, lunch break. Thank you. See everybody at 1235.

[2:34:47] Trustee Fast: Hello. Okay, we're all back. Excuse me. All right. I've got a husband on the roof. So excuse me if I

[2:34:59] Trustee Fast: have my phone handy. I doubt I will get any calls. I hope I don't. Okay. So excuse me. I'm seeing in

[2:35:15] Trustee Fast: the chat um that lisa wilcox is with us if we want to bring her in for example um at some point she

[2:35:25] Trustee Fast: doesn't have a report for us but uh would we like to invite lisa wilcox to join us and if so at what

[2:35:33] Trustee Fast: point

[2:35:33] Voice 5: i

[2:35:35] Trustee Fast: kind of suggest we might want to get through the next few items and then when we're

[2:35:40] Trustee Fast: down at reports for how perhaps 12 or do we want to set a time trustees would we like to hear from

[2:35:51] Trustee Fast: lisa talk to lisa okay i'm seeing some nodding so maybe somebody could respond uh to lisa that we

[2:36:00] Trustee Fast: um if she could uh join us i don't know when we thought

[2:36:05] Trustee Fast: we might do a reconciliation update

[2:36:08] Trustee Scott: so ellen set a time for her rather than have her i mean just say what time just say one o'clock one

[2:36:14] Trustee Scott: o'clock sure okay

[2:36:15] Trustee Fast: so heather could you let her know that we'll love to speak to her at one thank

[2:36:20] Trustee Fast: you 1 p.m lisa okay then welcome everybody back uh we're resuming uh after a break we're resuming

[2:36:32] Trustee Fast: the um meeting of the hornby island local trust committee and we're now on uh agenda item 10 but

[2:36:39] Trustee Fast: But there's the, oh, yes, there's the one letter here dated March the 6th.

[2:36:46] Trustee Fast: Did anybody want to discuss this letter about transportation?

[2:36:53] Voice 5: I think 10

[2:36:56] Trustee Fast: .1 from the Hornby and Denman Community.

[2:36:59] Trustee Allen: Yeah, I might

[2:37:00] Trustee Allen: say something that they're kind of like we do have a bus and we had a bus and then it didn't run because of COVID and we're looking at an electric bus, I think.

[2:37:09] Trustee Allen: okay hang on a second one

[2:37:11] Trustee Fast: sec it's just uh vicky's trying to get my attention what's happening

[2:37:14] Trustee Fast: uh don't we have a 9.1 minimum average lottery oh thank you i've jumped ahead my apologies theresa

[2:37:25] Trustee Fast: yes please catch me when i do that thank you very much and we're going to go to 9.1 so this

[2:37:32] Trustee Fast: is page 142 and this has been a big project um that uh the ltc has been uh concerned about for

[2:37:39] Trustee Fast: a while and uh and with us today we've got uh teresa makikwa welcome planner makikwa thank you

[2:37:48] Voice 16: so um as per the direction of the ltc during the january business meeting um staff have drafted

[2:37:56] Voice 16: by-law amendments to both the OCP and

[2:37:59] Trustee Scott: the landing by-law.

[2:38:00] Trustee Scott: Excuse me, Teresa, I can't hear you very well.

[2:38:02] Voice 16: Oh, you can't hear me?

[2:38:03] Voice 16: Can you hear me now?

[2:38:04] Voice 16: Okay.

[2:38:06] Voice 16: So staff have drafted by-law amendments to both the OCP and LUB for consistency and clarity

[2:38:11] Voice 16: in relation to the minimum average lot area, the Mala project.

[2:38:17] Voice 16: So as per the project charter, I know the LTC wishes to consider each draft by-law individually

[2:38:23] Voice 16: and through its own process.

[2:38:26] Voice 16: So I thought I'd introduce each bylaw separately and then highlight key points from the staff report.

[2:38:32] Voice 16: But just as a very brief overview, the draft bylaws include one proposed change to the land use bylaw, which is to delete subsection 8.29, and 10 proposed changes to the OCP.

[2:38:47] Voice 16: So I'm just wondering, would you prefer that I introduce the bylaws one at a time and have

[2:38:52] Voice 16: LTC discussion after each, or introduce both and save all discussion at the end?

[2:38:59] Trustee Scott: I think one at a time, please.

[2:39:02] Voice 16: Okay, no problem.

[2:39:03] Voice 16: So I'll begin by introducing Bylaw 166, so those are the OCP amendments.

[2:39:09] Voice 16: So the LTC has requested staff to prepare draft OCP amendments to eliminate references to measurements of minimum lot size and Mala in the various land use designations of the OCP.

[2:39:26] Voice 16: Staff have drafted 10 proposed amendments for clarity and consistency across the designations.

[2:39:32] Voice 16: And I know this looks complex, but it's a lot of kind of similar types of small changes, or at least minor wordings and edits.

[2:39:44] Voice 16: So I think, should I share my screen so you can see the staff report?

[2:39:53] Trustee Allen: Yeah, maybe for viewers.

[2:39:54] Trustee Allen: Okay.

[2:39:55] Voice 16: Is that good?

[2:40:04] Voice 16: You're able to see it?

[2:40:09] Voice 16: I'll assume so.

[2:40:10] Voice 16: Let me just scroll down to the UCP amendments.

[2:40:17] Voice 16: So I'm just going to go through the overview of the changes here. So this first one applies to all sections of the OCP, but specifically to the Local Government Act subdivisions for relatives.

[2:40:44] Voice 16: It basically just changes the word parcel to lot, which has a definition in the land use bylaw so that it's more clear and consistent between the two documents.

[2:40:59] Voice 16: Change number two applies to the SR designation, so it just adds the name of the designation for clarity when you're reading that as a standalone article.

[2:41:12] Voice 16: It also changes the word parcel to lot and eliminates specific measurements as per the LTC request, and then just defers to the land use bylaw for those specifics.

[2:41:25] Voice 16: This wording is also more consistent with the Islands Trust Policy Directive 5.2.4.

[2:41:35] Voice 16: Changes 3 and 4, lumped together, both apply to the rural residential designation.

[2:41:43] Voice 16: Again, eliminates specific measurements and refers to the land use bylaw for those specifics.

[2:41:50] Voice 16: It addresses, takes out the issue of density, which is already addressed in Policy 6.3.3.4,

[2:41:57] Voice 16: um to have one dwelling if the lot is under four hectares and two dwellings if it's four hectares

[2:42:05] Voice 16: or greater which that wording is consistent with the land use bylaw um now and this is all um can

[2:42:13] Trustee Scott: you stop there for a second yeah

[2:42:14] Voice 16: is

[2:42:16] Trustee Scott: this the one that was causing the trouble um it was clear on

[2:42:24] Trustee Scott: one page you went on to the next page at the top and it's i know this isn't um you

[2:42:32] Voice 16: want to um you

[2:42:32] Voice 16: Do you want me to look at the comparison between the two?

[2:42:35] Voice 16: Like what's existing and what's?

[2:42:40] Trustee Scott: I'm trying to find it in the bylaws.

[2:42:42] Trustee Scott: You don't have a

[2:42:43] Trustee Scott: book in front of me.

[2:42:44] Trustee Scott: Where do I find it?

[2:42:46] Voice 16: So let's go down to, I can scroll here.

[2:42:49] Voice 16: Can

[2:42:50] Voice 13: I just jump in here, Chair?

[2:42:53] Voice 13: I think the part that was giving us trouble

[2:42:56] Voice 13: was in the land use bylaw.

[2:42:58] Voice 13: And this is the OCP.

[2:43:01] Voice 13: so um this

[2:43:03] Trustee Scott: doesn't go into the land use bylaw wording no

[2:43:07] Voice 13: this is just the official community

[2:43:08] Voice 13: plan at this point yeah okay yeah

[2:43:10] Voice 13: and then rhys will do the land use bylaw next oh

[2:43:15] Trustee Scott: i see okay

[2:43:16] Trustee Scott: thanks

[2:43:16] Voice 13: yeah um

[2:43:20] Voice 16: yeah so it takes out um mention of density in this part because it's already addressed

[2:43:25] Voice 16: here, which is consistent with the Islands Trust Policy Directive 5.25, which allows for defining

[2:43:34] Voice 16: density limits in the OCP. So we've left in a little bit of reference to density because it

[2:43:40] Voice 16: doesn't talk about lot size like MALA does. This one, this change here specific to forest,

[2:43:50] Voice 16: Again, defers the specifics to the land use bylaw.

[2:43:57] Voice 16: These 1, 2, 3 changes, 6, 7, and 8 applies to the agricultural designation.

[2:44:05] Voice 16: And similarly, this change here is for the designation and lands within the ALR.

[2:44:14] Voice 16: So again, changing the word parcel to lot, deferring to the land use bylaw for specific, except for density, which continues to be laid out in the land use bylaw, and it's consistent between the two documents now.

[2:44:33] Voice 16: Now, the final change here applies to the CS designation,

[2:44:42] Voice 16: so the Retail and Personal Service designation,

[2:44:45] Voice 16: and changing the word parcel to lot

[2:44:47] Voice 16: and deferring to the land use bylaw to establish the lot size specifics.

[2:44:54] Voice 16: Well, sir, there's a lot of repetition between them,

[2:44:58] Voice 16: but open it up to questions and discussion.

[2:45:02] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:45:02] Trustee Fast: So I'm gathering that mostly you've removed the size information,

[2:45:06] Trustee Fast: So that goes to the land use bylaw and you've changed the word parcel to lot so that they can be compared.

[2:45:14] Trustee Fast: Okay, those are the main takeaways for me. I see the point of why I have them in both places when then they can conflict when one little change is made.

[2:45:23] Trustee Fast: Okay, and thank you. Questions, trustees? Or is that all clear?

[2:45:30] Trustee Allen: Yeah. I'm just curious that on the map, is that big, there's a triangular, the dark pink,

[2:45:39] Trustee Allen: which, where's that? I'm trying to figure out.

[2:45:44] Trustee Fast: Page 146.

[2:45:45] Trustee Allen: Sorry, 146.

[2:45:48] Trustee Fast: This one here?

[2:45:50] Trustee Fast: No, the other one.

[2:45:51] Trustee Allen: Is

[2:45:51] Voice 15: that the one?

[2:45:52] Trustee Allen: Yeah, and if you go, that triangle.

[2:45:55] Voice 15: That triangle, so that lot is slit zone. So this is the lot, the big rectangle.

[2:46:02] Voice 15: That's us.

[2:46:05] Trustee Allen: Oh, it just looks like it's sort of in the middle there. I'm just trying to figure out.

[2:46:08] Voice 16: I think she said the word split zone. We're losing your, oh, sorry.

[2:46:12] Voice 16: Yeah, I'll hold my

[2:46:13] Voice 16: mic up. So that lot, that is actually a rectangular lot, and the triangle portion that's shaded

[2:46:20] Voice 16: is split zoned. So that portion is zoned R2, and I believe the other portion is Ag. I'd

[2:46:28] Voice 16: have to double check that, though.

[2:46:30] Trustee Allen: okay and then that's just a question about 1600 for the budget i just um it seems sort of a lot

[2:46:37] Trustee Allen: when we don't really have halls meetings and whatever and i just wondering what that was

[2:46:42] Trustee Allen: covering that 1600 i just thought we're saving so much money now with

[2:46:47] Trustee Allen: zoom whatnot and i'm just curious i'm

[2:46:50] Voice 16: thinking heather might be that

[2:46:52] Voice 16: one or

[2:46:53] Trustee Allen: is that the public

[2:46:54] Trustee Allen: it is

[2:46:55] Voice 13: it is primarily advertising for the public hearing okay and

[2:46:59] Voice 13: the community information

[2:47:00] Voice 13: information meeting it

[2:47:03] Trustee Allen: might save money on that thank

[2:47:06] Trustee Fast: you any more questions for the planning team

[2:47:08] Trustee Fast: oh

[2:47:09] Trustee Allen: one more go

[2:47:10] Trustee Fast: ahead and that

[2:47:12] Trustee Allen: whole thing when it's a community use i'm trying to remember i'm

[2:47:15] Trustee Allen: assuming i can't remember the first i'm assuming the beulah creek was such an example of a part of

[2:47:23] Trustee Allen: it going to community use so when

[2:47:26] Trustee Fast: you say beulah creek you mean the affordable housing yeah project

[2:47:30] Trustee Fast: No,

[2:47:30] Trustee Allen: because I'm just trying to think of another example. Obviously, if it's a community use, it's going to be come up to the community to make a decision whether it's a community use, right? It's not just, I was just wondering where that's vetted.

[2:47:43] Trustee Allen: It doesn't quite have anything to do with what...

[2:47:46] Voice 16: Sorry, through the chair, are you speaking to the OCP amendment or the land use bylaw amendment?

[2:47:52] Trustee Allen: Oh, sorry, the OCP. I guess I'm jumping the gun to OCP amendment.

[2:47:57] Trustee Allen: Sorry, which section?

[2:48:00] Trustee Allen: It was in the first page.

[2:48:01] Trustee Allen: I think

[2:48:02] Trustee Fast: she's got it there 1.3.1 may be considered if the subdivision is for the purpose of creating a park ecological reserve land trust or other community service use.

[2:48:11] Trustee Fast: And I think the trustees question is, where is that vetted or what's the process that can't, I think he's assuming that there must, that's not just at the request of the applicant, right, the community ways in how.

[2:48:30] Voice 16: I'm trying to think in terms of like the the OCP sets out the designation but the land use bylaw

[2:48:44] Voice 16: has the actual zoning so if there's at the time of rezoning and they wanted to do a different use

[2:48:49] Voice 16: that wasn't already permitted in their zone might be considered at that time that makes sense to me

[2:48:58] Voice 16: It will be open to me.

[2:48:59] Voice 16: Yeah.

[2:49:00] Voice 16: All

[2:49:00] Trustee Fast: right, thank you.

[2:49:01] Trustee Fast: Yeah, good question.

[2:49:02] Trustee Fast: Okay, any more questions for the planner at this point

[2:49:06] Trustee Fast: or shall we continue on to the next section?

[2:49:09] Trustee Fast: Land use by-law?

[2:49:11] Trustee Fast: I can't see Grant just a second.

[2:49:17] Trustee Fast: Okay, I don't see any hands up, so let's go on.

[2:49:20] Trustee Fast: Please carry on, Teresa.

[2:49:21] Trustee Fast: Sure, thank you.

[2:49:22] Voice 16: So the LTC also requested staff

[2:49:26] Voice 16: to prepare draft LUB amendments

[2:49:28] Voice 16: amendments to achieve three different things.

[2:49:31] Voice 16: Number one, make Mala references consistent with R2 zoning

[2:49:36] Voice 16: and require properties to have a minimum of four hectares

[2:49:39] Voice 16: to subdivide in the R2 zone.

[2:49:42] Voice 16: So this is the only proposed change

[2:49:44] Voice 16: of deleting subsection 8.29 entirely.

[2:49:51] Voice 16: And we staff feel that deleting that will achieve

[2:49:54] Voice 16: both those two things and provide clarity to the reader,

[2:49:58] Voice 16: But also, as noted in the staff report, that map showing existing R2 lots by size, along with the existing OCP policies that we have,

[2:50:10] Voice 16: it's staff's belief that the intent of both the OCP and the land use phyla is to limit subdivision to lots greater than four hectares,

[2:50:19] Voice 16: not greater than eight hectares, as is currently permitted because of this regulation until it's deleted.

[2:50:26] Voice 16: So that's what's causing the confusion.

[2:50:29] Voice 16: The LTC requested a third thing of staff, sorry.

[2:50:36] Voice 16: Hang on, Grant Scott.

[2:50:38] Trustee Scott: Yeah, so Teresa, I don't know if you're around for this,

[2:50:43] Trustee Scott: but as I get it, this is eliminating that other regulations.

[2:50:51] Voice 16: Yeah, yes.

[2:50:53] Voice 16: Yeah,

[2:50:53] Trustee Scott: 8.29.

[2:50:55] Trustee Scott: Right, so 8.2, yeah, okay.

[2:51:00] Trustee Scott: Okay, so, cause that was the part that Conrad held, okay.

[2:51:03] Trustee Scott: Okay, good, good. Okay, thank you.

[2:51:05] Voice 16: Thank you.

[2:51:06] Voice 16: So the third request of staff was to amend the land use bylaw to add a regulation that implements OCP policy 6.3.3.1, which is allowing for a lot size of less than a hectare if the purpose of the subdivision is, like we were talking about, create a park eco-reserve community land trust for other community service use.

[2:51:31] Voice 16: So staff went back and upon further analysis and consideration of the land use bylaw, we noted Regulation 6.21b of the land use bylaw, which implements the intent of that specific policy.

[2:51:48] Voice 16: So the current regulation says that minimum lot size and mala don't apply when the lot being created by subdivision is solely for one of the purposes as listed in the OCP and that a covenant is granted to ensure such use.

[2:52:05] Voice 16: I guess maybe that's what Trustee Yon was getting at is that there would have to be

[2:52:13] Voice 16: consideration is it actually being used for that purpose and that's why the LTC would

[2:52:17] Voice 16: want a covenant in its name to make sure that that use is continuing.

[2:52:24] Voice 16: The intent is to allow the creation of community amenities and preservation and protection

[2:52:30] Voice 16: section of the natural environment for Hornby residents.

[2:52:34] Voice 16: A sentiment which is reinforced in the background

[2:52:36] Voice 16: provided for OCP section 6.31.

[2:52:40] Trustee Scott: So I'm looking, I'm still looking at.

[2:52:49] Trustee Fast: I think we've lost your grant.

[2:52:52] Trustee Scott: I'm still looking back at that.

[2:52:58] Trustee Fast: Earlier one?

[2:52:58] Trustee Scott: 8.3, this thing.

[2:53:05] Trustee Fast: You're cutting out grant.

[2:53:08] Trustee Scott: Well, I don't know what happened there,

[2:53:10] Trustee Scott: but I think I went offline there for a while,

[2:53:11] Trustee Scott: but now it's come back on and now I've got,

[2:53:13] Trustee Scott: what have I got here page 145 okay

[2:53:16] Voice 7: yep that's

[2:53:22] Trustee Scott: what what's the start of what you just started

[2:53:23] Trustee Scott: what what did you just start out there Teresa because I didn't this thing's shooting around

[2:53:30] Trustee Scott: all over the place sorry

[2:53:32] Voice 16: we were just uh speaking about um the lot sizes that are smaller than

[2:53:37] Voice 16: this

[2:53:38] Trustee Scott: is that size is smaller than one hectare in the r2 zone okay

[2:53:42] Voice 16: did

[2:53:47] Trustee Scott: you

[2:53:51] Trustee Fast: have a question there

[2:53:52] Trustee Fast: grant

[2:53:52] Trustee Scott: okay no no that's good okay

[2:53:56] Trustee Fast: thank you i think uh um sometimes a trustee blinks out for

[2:54:01] Trustee Fast: a little bit and comes back in and they're missed something so thank you teresa for bearing with us

[2:54:05] Trustee Fast: and the technology no problem it's

[2:54:09] Trustee Scott: just that we have this incredibly slow bandwidth on orange

[2:54:16] Trustee Scott: beer what's

[2:54:19] Trustee Fast: a challenge for us teresa is when you're scrolling because um

[2:54:24] Trustee Scott: you're seeing one

[2:54:25] Trustee Scott: one thing and we're seeing something else.

[2:54:27] Voice 16: Right, delay or whatever, okay.

[2:54:32] Voice 16: Okay,

[2:54:33] Trustee Fast: are we ready for Teresa to continue?

[2:54:35] Trustee Scott: Yeah.

[2:54:36] Voice 16: Okay, good.

[2:54:37] Voice 16: So that was mostly my summary

[2:54:39] Voice 16: for the land use bylaw amendments draft bylaw 167.

[2:54:45] Voice 16: So I can scroll up to the recommendations if you'd like.

[2:54:53] Trustee Fast: That would be great,

[2:54:54] Trustee Fast: because there's still two more there.

[2:54:56] Trustee Fast: they're well six a and b right

[2:55:06] Voice 16: so um yeah staff are recommending two two um individual processes

[2:55:14] Voice 16: for the draft bylaws here so draft bylaw 166 the ocp amendments um that it's not contrary to or at

[2:55:23] Voice 16: variance with the island stress policy statement so um thus it can be given first reading or at

[2:55:30] Voice 16: least considered and that it be referred to the first nations and local governments and agencies

[2:55:36] Voice 16: as listed in the recommendation and then separately bylaw 167 the land

[2:55:44] Voice 16: these

[2:55:44] Trustee Scott: first nations it doesn't mention comox oh yes it does but since this is

[2:55:55] Trustee Scott: hornby i don't understand why it lists all these other ones right

[2:56:03] Trustee Fast: uh through the chair

[2:56:04] Trustee Fast: if i may

[2:56:06] Trustee Fast: Yep, go ahead, Teresa. And then I'll note that at one o'clock and four minutes, we're due to bring in Lisa, so she can probably speak to this too. Go ahead, Teresa.

[2:56:14] Trustee Fast: Lisa perfect so

[2:56:15] Voice 16: I actually consulted with Lisa on this through the we have the First Nations

[2:56:22] Voice 16: consultative areas database and so when you draw a border around Hornby Island it came up with these

[2:56:30] Voice 16: 13 nations and I just verified with Lisa that indeed they want to be referred for comment so

[2:56:36] Voice 16: it might be that they have no comments but we're just going to refer

[2:56:39] Trustee Scott: you but Penelakut Penelakut

[2:56:41] Trustee Scott: it isn't anywhere near here that's down a thetis this

[2:56:48] Trustee Fast: is what let's ask let's save this question

[2:56:50] Trustee Fast: for uh lisa who'll be joining us in just a few

[2:56:52] Trustee Scott: minutes lake cowichan cowichan there's no way

[2:56:58] Trustee Scott: they overlap hornby there's five nations that overlap hornby according to bc treaty commission

[2:57:03] Trustee Scott: well

[2:57:05] Trustee Fast: can you hold this question until lisa joins us in a couple minutes okay thank you

[2:57:09] Trustee Fast: and any other questions about these draft recommendations because we might go ahead

[2:57:17] Trustee Fast: with the first five before Lisa joins us if there's no questions regional planning manager

[2:57:27] Trustee Fast: yeah I

[2:57:29] Voice 13: just wanted to I just wanted to highlight something here so you know originally

[2:57:34] Voice 13: Additionally, in our staff reports, we had recommended that you consider allowing subdivisions that would have lots that are smaller than one hectare.

[2:57:46] Voice 13: And we, you know, what we've kind of said here, what Risa said here, is that the land use bylaw already has provisions for that.

[2:58:00] Voice 13: but that the only time you can have a lot smaller than one hectare in R2 is if the sole purpose of

[2:58:09] Voice 13: the subdivision is for parks. And so if someone came in with a subdivision plan that had parcels

[2:58:17] Voice 13: that are smaller than one hectare, and they intended for those lots to have residential on

[2:58:23] Voice 13: them um under the current provisions they wouldn't allow it wouldn't be allowed the subdivision would

[2:58:30] Voice 13: not be allowed because it's not for the sole purpose of parks so that's the current state of

[2:58:38] Voice 13: this bylaw um and and staff at this point are not recommending any changes to that but we know that

[2:58:45] Voice 13: there is at least one person on hornby who has an interest in seeing this change um and so um

[2:58:53] Voice 13: and you may be hearing from that person or whoever else might be interested in

[2:58:57] Voice 13: seeing a change to that but i just wanted to highlight that that

[2:59:00] Voice 13: that we are not recommending changes to that

[2:59:04] Voice 13: um so yeah very

[2:59:09] Trustee Fast: good thank you very much regional

[2:59:12] Trustee Fast: excuse me regional planning manager cower

[2:59:15] Trustee Fast: um i see that lisa wilcox is with us on the

[2:59:22] Trustee Fast: the line uh do we want to go through and uh uh make these pass these motions or alternatives

[2:59:30] Trustee Fast: before we lisa joins us or it's one o'clock and uh perhaps we can ask our questions of uh

[2:59:37] Trustee Fast: our senior intergovernmental policy advisor lisa wilcox what's the what is the interests of

[2:59:45] Trustee Fast: trustees will we lose the thread if we go into a conversation with lisa i

[2:59:54] Trustee Allen: think we could just

[2:59:54] Trustee Allen: quickly do these motions okay afterwards if that's okay yes

[2:59:59] Trustee Fast: please go ahead

[3:00:00] Trustee Fast: ahead do

[3:00:01] Trustee Allen: i have to read them all out loud read

[3:00:03] Trustee Fast: the first one and maybe we'll get grant to read

[3:00:05] Trustee Fast: the next one

[3:00:05] Trustee Allen: all right i move that the hornby island local trust committee has reviewed the

[3:00:09] Trustee Allen: island's trust policy statement directives only checklist and determined that bylaw number 166

[3:00:13] Trustee Allen: cited its hornby island official community plan 2014 amended amendment number one 2021

[3:00:19] Trustee Allen: is not contrary to or at variance with the island's trust policy statement do

[3:00:25] Trustee Fast: i have a second

[3:00:26] Trustee Allen: to grant

[3:00:26] Trustee Fast: oh

[3:00:28] Trustee Scott: we got to do each one separately yeah

[3:00:30] Trustee Fast: i'll second it

[3:00:32] Trustee Fast: okay thank

[3:00:33] Trustee Scott: you second it

[3:00:34] Trustee Scott: thank

[3:00:35] Trustee Fast: you any more discussion all those in favor i can't see grant i can't hear grant

[3:00:44] Trustee Fast: oh there's his finger okay that passes unanimously thank you uh next one grant you want to lead it

[3:00:50] Trustee Fast: off at

[3:00:51] Trustee Scott: the hornby island local trust committee bylaw number 166 cited as hornby island official

[3:00:57] Trustee Scott: community plan to 2014 amendment number 120 20 be read a first time second thank you any more

[3:01:06] Trustee Fast: discussion all those in favor thank you i see one two three hands went up that passes unanimously

[3:01:14] Trustee Fast: go ahead uh trustee allen i

[3:01:17] Trustee Allen: move that the hormion local trust committee has reviewed the island's

[3:01:19] Trustee Allen: trust policy statement directors only checklist and determines that bylaw number 167 cited hormion

[3:01:23] Trustee Allen: landis bylaw 2014 amendment number 120 21 is not contrary to any variance with adam's trust policy

[3:01:28] Trustee Allen: see Stephen do

[3:01:29] Trustee Fast: I have a seconder

[3:01:30] Trustee Allen: thank

[3:01:31] Trustee Fast: you Grant Scott any discussion call the question all those

[3:01:35] Trustee Fast: in favor I see two hands and mine goes up that passes unanimously thank you trustee Scott my

[3:01:43] Trustee Scott: number four yeah

[3:01:44] Trustee Fast: at

[3:01:45] Trustee Scott: the Hornby Island be read a first time

[3:01:49] Trustee Fast: nope I'll read it

[3:01:53] Trustee Scott: go ahead local trust committee bylaw number 161 cited Hornby Island local bylaw

[3:01:58] Trustee Scott: for amendment number one, 2021 be read at first time.

[3:02:04] Trustee Scott: Second.

[3:02:05] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:02:06] Trustee Fast: Was that clear enough for everybody?

[3:02:07] Trustee Fast: I had a little breakup with the sound.

[3:02:10] Trustee Fast: I think it's clear.

[3:02:11] Trustee Fast: A discussion, go ahead, Grant.

[3:02:14] Trustee Scott: No, I'm just voting.

[3:02:16] Trustee Fast: Oh, all those in favor.

[3:02:18] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:02:19] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[3:02:22] Trustee Fast: Sorry.

[3:02:23] Trustee Allen: Go ahead.

[3:02:24] Trustee Allen: I move that the Hornbein Local Trust Committee

[3:02:26] Trustee Allen: waive the requirement for a public hearing

[3:02:27] Trustee Allen: and bylaw number 167 cited as Hornby Island land use bylaw 2014 amendment number 1 2021

[3:02:32] Trustee Allen: as the bylaw is consistent with the Hornby Island official community plan number 149

[3:02:37] Trustee Allen: 2014 and request staff to proceed with public notification as per section 467 of the local

[3:02:41] Trustee Allen: government thank

[3:02:42] Trustee Fast: you seconder thank you grant scott any discussion all those in favor one

[3:02:52] Trustee Fast: is your hand up grant yes i couldn't see the finger thank you that passes unanimously

[3:02:57] Trustee Fast: anonymously and now we're on to number six so perhaps now is a good time for Lisa Wilcox to

[3:03:04] Trustee Fast: join us if she's there. Thank you Lisa for joining us. We're looking at page 142 where it's referring

[3:03:16] Trustee Fast: out to a long list of First Nations and there's been a question about why well Trustee Scott why

[3:03:26] Trustee Fast: Why don't you give your question and then maybe we can go on to a more general conversation.

[3:03:32] Trustee Scott: Yes. Lisa, are you on? Oh, there you are.

[3:03:39] Trustee Scott: Good afternoon. How are you down there?

[3:03:43] Voice 3: Good, good. Thank you so much.

[3:03:46] Trustee Scott: So, Lisa, the question is under 6A here. It says the First Nations.

[3:03:50] Trustee Scott: Now, the question is, most of these are not overlapped or connected to Hornby Island at all.

[3:03:56] Trustee Scott: and we're wondering why they're here some of them are nanwalkless council comox

[3:04:03] Trustee Scott: um flamin comes over here qualicum um but like penelaket cowichan these i mean i've looked through

[3:04:17] Trustee Scott: the statement of intent with the treaty commission and other first nations i've heard about i i don't

[3:04:22] Trustee Scott: get the sense that they come to horn me yeah

[3:04:29] Voice 3: thank you trustee scott um so um just to the chair the

[3:04:36] Voice 3: answering that question for ocp amendments uh the islands trust looks at a larger

[3:04:43] Voice 3: engagement process that follows along the duty of care and the duty to consult as outlined by

[3:04:50] Voice 3: the province and follows those guidelines so that would mean that we would look at nations that fall

[3:04:57] Voice 3: within the consultative area database that the province sets out and that's to do with ocp

[3:05:06] Voice 3: amendments so other things that the local trust committee of hornby may put forward may not

[3:05:13] Voice 3: have include all of these nations but when it comes to an OCP review or any

[3:05:21] Voice 3: amendments we would want to ensure that nations are looking at that and have the

[3:05:28] Voice 3: ability to to see what has been done treaty area or territorial areas may

[3:05:34] Voice 3: extend also to land or water use so we just err on the side of that duty of

[3:05:42] Voice 3: care and ensure that we are sending it out to to the nations that the province outlines so it might

[3:05:49] Voice 3: not come up as it would say in a statement of intent or based on what the treaty commission

[3:05:57] Voice 3: has outlined but we look to that consultative area database to to satisfy that duty of care

[3:06:05] Voice 3: hopefully that

[3:06:06] Trustee Scott: helps where can we find that consultative area database i'd like to see that

[3:06:12] Trustee Scott: yeah

[3:06:13] Voice 3: i can um talk to the staff and what we do is we go into the database as provincial

[3:06:20] Voice 3: employees and take a and look at hornby and you draw a polygon around hornby

[3:06:28] Voice 3: and then the list of nations that the province is outlined should be consulted comes up

[3:06:34] Voice 3: so that's the um due diligence that the planner undertook um and then i review that and

[3:06:42] Voice 3: and assist and support the planner in the nations that come up on the database so all

[3:06:50] Trustee Scott: right well if

[3:06:50] Trustee Scott: you if you both then don't don't bother sending it to us then if that's if you've done that

[3:06:55] Trustee Scott: that's good thank you thank

[3:06:58] Trustee Fast: you trustee allen yeah

[3:07:00] Trustee Allen: following up on that um hello lisa hi um

[3:07:05] Trustee Allen: Yeah, in terms of timeframe, in terms of response from the First Nations, given that I just said earlier that, you know, they're very busy with treaty negotiations, DRIPA, et cetera, et cetera.

[3:07:15] Trustee Allen: What is a timeframe? It could be two years. You know what I mean? What is a time where, okay, they haven't responded or they should respond by it? Because I imagine it's very, they're very busy. So I'd just be curious.

[3:07:28] Trustee Allen: Yeah,

[3:07:29] Voice 3: the process that's outlined in this staff report is the formal referral process.

[3:07:36] Voice 3: So it does not exclude that the Islands Trust may have reached out to nations that have outlined interests or concerns or their Aboriginal rights and title in relation to Hornby Island.

[3:07:52] Voice 3: So the Islands Trust may undertake over and above a referral, formal referral process, but this particular staff report outlines that formal referral. So I can't recall if it's 60 or 90 days that is the referral deadline for response.

[3:08:12] Voice 3: do we go back

[3:08:14] Trustee Allen: again sorry excuse me and then after the 60 60 or 90 days and we say

[3:08:18] Trustee Allen: we haven't heard from you uh just want to know how you feel

[3:08:23] Voice 3: we may have

[3:08:24] Trustee Allen: some letter of such

[3:08:25] Trustee Allen: we

[3:08:26] Voice 3: may follow up or uh with uh particular nations um or or if a nation sent us a response asking for

[3:08:37] Voice 3: more time then we would ensure that we come back and outline that when a nation requires more time

[3:08:43] Voice 3: to review.

[3:08:44] Trustee Fast: Thank you. I'm just going to let Lisa say something here. Teresa.

[3:08:52] Voice 16: Thank you. So

[3:08:53] Voice 16: the way that the recommendation wording is drafted right now, it lumps 166 and 167

[3:09:02] Voice 16: together. And I'm wondering based on Lisa's comments, because I didn't get that originally,

[3:09:08] Voice 16: Unfortunately, 166 is the OCP amendment and 167 is just a land use bylaw amendment.

[3:09:15] Voice 16: Should we be splitting this up so that only 166, the OCP amendments are referred to these nations and agencies and 167 perhaps just COMOCs or what you think about that?

[3:09:35] Voice 16: that

[3:09:39] Voice 3: um i think that given that this is how you've outlined in your staff report i think that that

[3:09:47] Voice 3: that would be fine it shows a duty of care to be to be forwarding this to the to the nations

[3:09:56] Voice 3: nations will usually defer if it if they have no comment or defer to other nations who they feel

[3:10:03] Voice 3: um the treaty or territorial area involves so i think that since you've written it

[3:10:11] Voice 3: as a combined amount here that that would be fine for now versus trying to change or amend

[3:10:17] Voice 3: your staff report it which could create more work for you theresa

[3:10:23] Voice 16: um yes so i think it probably

[3:10:27] Voice 16: wouldn't be too much work to just split it up if need be i'm just wondering if um because the land

[3:10:32] Voice 16: use bylaw amendment is so minor um that if the ocp uh is going to potentially hold back the

[3:10:41] Voice 16: the process because it does take a longer time to amend an ocp than it would a land use bylaw

[3:10:46] Voice 16: um it might be

[3:10:47] Voice 3: more yeah i would defer to the rpm and to your feelings on those things

[3:10:53] Voice 3: yeah

[3:10:54] Trustee Scott: heather heather what do you think go ahead

[3:10:58] Voice 3: heather yeah

[3:10:59] Voice 13: i my take on it is that

[3:11:01] Voice 13: But no matter what, we would typically recommend that you refer land use bylaw amendments to the First Nations too.

[3:11:13] Voice 13: So, and I think a referral, this is a formal referral period.

[3:11:18] Voice 13: I think we can still move things along and accommodate a referral period for both bylaws at the same time.

[3:11:28] Voice 13: thank you

[3:11:30] Trustee Fast: and i'm just going to chime in and say um uh i think it's good to invite everybody

[3:11:37] Trustee Fast: and not assume who doesn't want to hear from us or whom you might not i'd sooner err on the side of

[3:11:43] Trustee Fast: referring it out more broadly um especially when the land use bylaw amendment is so small compared

[3:11:51] Trustee Fast: compared to these bigger OCP amendments.

[3:11:54] Trustee Fast: Let's, so I'm, thank you everybody for your feedback.

[3:11:59] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion?

[3:12:01] Trustee Fast: Maybe we can pass this while Lisa's with us

[3:12:04] Trustee Fast: and then have a bit more of a discussion with Lisa.

[3:12:09] Trustee Fast: Trustees, would you like to go ahead with this last motion?

[3:12:14] Trustee Scott: Yes.

[3:12:16] Trustee Fast: Okay, do you want to read it, Trustee Skar?

[3:12:19] Trustee Scott: Yes, that proposed bylaws number 166

[3:12:25] Trustee Scott: and 167 be referred to the following First Nations, local governments, and agencies for

[3:12:29] Trustee Scott: comment. First Nations, Cowichan Tribes, Halal First Nation, Hamalko First Nation, Comox First

[3:12:39] Trustee Scott: Nation, Lake Cowichan First Nation, Laiakson First Nation, Nanwakalas Council, Penelakot Tribe,

[3:12:46] Trustee Scott: Tribe, Qualicum First Nation, Tuzuminus First Nation,

[3:12:52] Trustee Scott: Tlaman First Nation, Wewakai Nation,

[3:12:56] Trustee Scott: and Wewakum Nation.

[3:13:02] Trustee Scott: And B, local governments and agencies,

[3:13:05] Trustee Scott: Comox Valley Regional District,

[3:13:07] Trustee Scott: Denman Island Trust Committee,

[3:13:09] Trustee Scott: Highland Health, Ministry of Forest, Lands,

[3:13:11] Trustee Scott: and Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development,

[3:13:14] Trustee Scott: Ministry of Transport and Infrastructure,

[3:13:16] Trustee Scott: and local and school district 71 thank

[3:13:20] Trustee Fast: you do I have a seconder I can't hear you sorry second

[3:13:26] Trustee Allen: second very

[3:13:27] Trustee Fast: good okay so the motion has been moved and seconded do I have any more discussion

[3:13:33] Trustee Fast: all right then I'll call the question all those in favor I see two trustee hands went up thank

[3:13:40] Trustee Fast: you my hand went up that passes unanimously thank you very much trustees and now maybe we can

[3:13:46] Trustee Fast: And thank you, Teresa.

[3:13:48] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:13:50] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[3:13:51] Trustee Fast: And thank you very much.

[3:13:54] Trustee Fast: And now maybe we can have some discussion with Lisa.

[3:13:58] Trustee Fast: Were there questions or things you wanted to discuss with Lisa about how

[3:14:03] Trustee Fast: Hornby Local Trust Committee can move forward with reconciliation matters

[3:14:09] Trustee Fast: in the long term and the short term?

[3:14:12] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Grant Scott.

[3:14:13] Trustee Fast: Yeah,

[3:14:15] Trustee Scott: Lisa, what we're going to find very soon on Hornby Island is when a subdivision application, a use permit, development, whatever comes up, that's anywhere around the island that could be a midden or burial ground or other use.

[3:14:36] Trustee Scott: As you know, there's things like cultural and modified trees.

[3:14:40] Trustee Scott: There's a whole bunch of different definitions of what involves cultural use.

[3:14:45] Trustee Scott: and people are going to be bringing applications to us without any there's no guy there's no it

[3:14:52] Trustee Scott: doesn't say anything in the ocp it doesn't say anything a land use bylaws there's nothing on

[3:14:55] Trustee Scott: the subdivision maps so people aren't going to really know what they're supposed to do in in

[3:15:01] Trustee Scott: this because there's no guidelines to do it so from a practical hornby island point of view

[3:15:08] Trustee Scott: we want to do the right thing of course in recognition for all you know um for all

[3:15:14] Trustee Scott: all the reasons but the practicality of that on the island is going to become very difficult

[3:15:22] Trustee Scott: for the people on the island until we can catch up with the ocp and the land use bylaws and the

[3:15:27] Trustee Scott: mapping that goes with it so that's the big question i have is how do we put those pieces

[3:15:35] Trustee Scott: of that puzzle in place efficiently and effectively so so it will the comox first

[3:15:41] Trustee Scott: nation particularly will be satisfied what we're doing and the people on the island will

[3:15:46] Trustee Scott: will understand what it is they're supposed to do that's okay

[3:15:51] Trustee Fast: that's your question yeah thank you

[3:15:54] Trustee Fast: very much over to

[3:15:55] Voice 3: you uh lisa woodcocks yeah thank you trustee scott and chair fast um

[3:16:02] Voice 3: yeah we're we're kind of in a in a phase where we are beginning the implementation of dripa

[3:16:09] Voice 3: we are reviewing our processes and policies and just this fiscal we have committed to

[3:16:17] Voice 3: creating methodology around preservation and protection of cultural heritage sites with a

[3:16:24] Voice 3: heritage preservation overlay. However, as applications come forward,

[3:16:31] Voice 3: those things are in progress, so it might take time before those new policies and processes

[3:16:40] Voice 3: would be applied to, say, a current application or an application that would come up

[3:16:45] Voice 3: within the next year. I think what we have committed to doing over this coming year

[3:16:51] Voice 3: is ensuring that we are providing all staff reports and sharing information with First

[3:16:59] Voice 3: Nations, especially with regard to Comox and Sliamon in relation to Hornby, and also

[3:17:08] Voice 3: entering into discussions with those nations about how they would like to receive that information.

[3:17:13] Voice 3: that provides that level of information to the nations and we're able to talk to them about

[3:17:23] Voice 3: what their concerns are that still doesn't address whether we would be able to compel changes or

[3:17:33] Voice 3: preserve and protect archaeological sites that is something that we have to work directly with

[3:17:40] Voice 3: other ministries in order to help fulfill that role and we are beginning dialogue and starting

[3:17:47] Voice 3: meetings which we have been having for the last year with other ministries to talk about how

[3:17:53] Voice 3: critically important this is so that's ongoing as well but like you're saying if you did have

[3:18:03] Voice 3: an application that came forward over the next year that it could become something where you

[3:18:14] Voice 3: don't actually know whether those sites or CMTs or other interests are being protected. So there

[3:18:23] Voice 3: is a gap as we are changing processes and policies.

[3:18:29] Trustee Fast: I'm just going to jump in for one

[3:18:32] Trustee Fast: second to clarify something uh but because we're going to beginning we're beginning to um as of

[3:18:38] Trustee Fast: this week forward all uh applications as we receive them to the komox first nation they

[3:18:46] Trustee Fast: have their own permitting process or would it trigger something on their uh cultural heritage

[3:18:53] Trustee Fast: plan or how would that work so

[3:18:57] Voice 3: when you enter into a process that the nation has defined

[3:19:00] Voice 3: for their own permitting and review that allows an applicant to be able to go through that process

[3:19:09] Voice 3: the islands trust would hopefully work in cooperation to inform applicants of any

[3:19:15] Voice 3: information that we know of which is a process that we already have in place now but it it

[3:19:22] Voice 3: it would then allow the nation to be fully informed about an application and what the

[3:19:27] Voice 3: applicant is doing and work directly with the applicant very

[3:19:32] Trustee Fast: good thank you i'm sorry um trustee

[3:19:34] Trustee Fast: alan next and then back to grant yeah

[3:19:39] Trustee Allen: i i guess i'd like to know what can we do with our relationship

[3:19:44] Trustee Allen: with co-constructionist nations now because it's um it's very problematic as we all know and

[3:19:49] Trustee Allen: we had a kind of conversation you said to let them grieve and but um you know i know so many

[3:19:57] Trustee Allen: in our community are coming to saying what can we do this is horrible what can we where where can

[3:20:02] Trustee Allen: we go with comics first nations now you know it's not like oops sorry and uh it's yeah i've i'm just

[3:20:08] Trustee Allen: stumped and i just don't want to um sever what we have already and yeah so at this time right now

[3:20:17] Trustee Allen: what can we do with comics first nations in particular yeah yeah

[3:20:23] Voice 3: so um oops even in the

[3:20:27] Voice 3: last little while, just in the last week, our PM reached out to the staff at Comox First Nation to

[3:20:36] Voice 3: talk about how to better interact in regards to applications and referrals. So that's one of our

[3:20:43] Voice 3: first steps and we'll be continuing that. I think that we're hoping to reach out to the chief and

[3:20:52] Voice 3: to council members to talk about what happened and hopefully we would be able to hold a meeting

[3:20:59] Voice 3: where we're able to hear what they want to tell us and talk to us about um you know this is a very

[3:21:09] Voice 3: upsetting and difficult situation and so we would want to be there when they want us to be there

[3:21:16] Voice 3: to hear what they have to say and i think that um you know really thanking your community members

[3:21:24] Voice 3: as well for coming forward and talking about this and and showing how much it was a concern for them

[3:21:31] Voice 3: as well and sharing information with us this all helps us here as staff at the islands trust

[3:21:38] Voice 3: and i think that that's uh moving forward to know that we can do things in a better way

[3:21:46] Voice 3: and also by reaching out to other agencies to express the concerns that our community has

[3:21:53] Voice 3: brought forward how the islanders have said to us and telling the other ministries about that

[3:22:00] Voice 3: so that as they're in meetings with comox as well that they're able to talk about that

[3:22:05] Voice 3: I know that other ministries will be having meetings with Comox. And so part of our intergovernmental relationship is to ensure that we're expressing how deeply concerned we are, and how we feel about what happened, and looking at all the best ways to move forward into the future.

[3:22:28] Voice 3: sure so well

[3:22:30] Trustee Allen: sorry follow-up question so in terms of reaching out to agencies um would that be us

[3:22:35] Trustee Allen: as a local trust committee or is that something larger as a trust council initiative um i think

[3:22:41] Voice 3: that that as part of our intergovernmental work uh staff begin reaching out to their counterparts

[3:22:48] Voice 3: at the other ministries and i know that um i guess as the chair the chair of the trust committee

[3:22:57] Voice 3: committee would have ministries reaching out to him at his level but it is something that we could

[3:23:04] Voice 3: look at as correspondence and also reaching out in that way to talk about how we would like to meet

[3:23:14] Voice 3: and how important this topic is and how urgent it is to be addressed so but I don't have any

[3:23:22] Voice 3: specific recommendations other than to um you know humbly reach out and and uh hope to build

[3:23:32] Voice 3: the relationship and can look at our policies and processes to improve things thank you very much

[3:23:39] Voice 3: uh

[3:23:40] Trustee Fast: trustee scott yeah

[3:23:43] Trustee Scott: so uh lisa what i'm hearing you say then is we should tell the applicants on

[3:23:47] Trustee Scott: hornby island to send their when they send an application into the trust they should also

[3:23:52] Trustee Scott: will copy comox uh that's

[3:23:57] Trustee Scott: what i heard you say yeah

[3:23:58] Voice 3: so comox will be i believe is going to be

[3:24:01] Voice 3: setting up a web page with their permitting process and be providing guidelines our staff

[3:24:07] Voice 3: can become familiar with what those are so that they can let applicants know what comox's preferred

[3:24:13] Voice 3: process is um but i think whatever that process is comox would be defining how they would like

[3:24:23] Voice 3: like things to be received by them, and how those applications would come into them.

[3:24:28] Trustee Fast: And Trustee Scott, before you go further, I just want to bring Heather in.

[3:24:32] Voice 13: Yeah, I mean, I asked that question specifically about whether they wanted the applicants to

[3:24:38] Voice 13: contact them directly or how they wanted it. So what I got back from Comox is that they want

[3:24:44] Voice 13: the applicant to apply to us for their permit, and then we will forward it to Comox, and they'll go

[3:24:50] Voice 13: go through us right

[3:24:52] Trustee Scott: that that's that's what i've assumed right so far in this process good

[3:24:57] Trustee Fast: thank you and i'm going to come in with a question now um and this relates to uh well

[3:25:03] Trustee Fast: what the local trustees have have said about uh the community feeling um would uh a letter from

[3:25:12] Trustee Fast: us as the LTC to the Comox just acknowledging that or wishing them well

[3:25:22] Trustee Fast: I don't know I feel like I should send them a card and I don't know if you have

[3:25:26] Trustee Fast: any suggestions or whether the time is right for that it seems to me there's

[3:25:30] Trustee Fast: sort of a community wants to do something over here maybe that is not

[3:25:34] Trustee Fast: LTC business at this business meeting where we're talking more about staff and

[3:25:41] Trustee Fast: zoning bylaws and applications do you have any suggestions um

[3:25:46] Voice 3: if it's okay with the chair i'd

[3:25:49] Voice 3: probably take that thought away with me and and connect in with uh the senior staff and the chair

[3:25:57] Voice 3: of the um trust executive committee and um and just maybe ask what the next steps would be

[3:26:07] Voice 3: um and

[3:26:08] Voice 1: then I could I guess I

[3:26:09] Voice 3: could report back or something I well

[3:26:12] Trustee Scott: I think Lisa just from

[3:26:15] Trustee Scott: from what I've read I would be very careful because Chief Rempel came out incredibly

[3:26:24] Trustee Scott: strongly I don't know if you read yeah what

[3:26:27] Trustee Scott: she came out with and she's expressing

[3:26:30] Trustee Scott: a ton of frustration and it's completely understandable why I mean I

[3:26:37] Trustee Scott: So I think to say anything could look really patronizing or something

[3:26:43] Voice 5: of other very...

[3:26:44] Trustee Scott: Sue,

[3:26:45] Voice 5: let me finish, please.

[3:26:50] Trustee Scott: So I think from the local trust, from the local trust committee point of view,

[3:26:54] Trustee Scott: I think we have to be very, very careful in how we do that.

[3:26:58] Trustee Scott: Thank you.

[3:27:01] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:27:01] Trustee Fast: It was just a suggestion from somebody who is further away from it than all of you folks.

[3:27:06] Trustee Fast: so thank you for the advice. Any more questions for our senior intergovernmental policy advisor

[3:27:14] Trustee Fast: at this point or regional planning manager Cowher?

[3:27:21] Trustee Scott: Oh just thank you Lisa for coming on our meeting

[3:27:24] Trustee Scott: here.

[3:27:26] Voice 3: Yeah thank you trustees and thank you chair and thank you to all the staff and just thank you

[3:27:32] Voice 3: to the community for all their care and concern about this situation as an aboriginal staff

[3:27:39] Voice 3: staff person um I just you know saying that I touched my heart to see all the concern that

[3:27:46] Voice 3: everybody had expressed so um just just have saying those words so that the community knows

[3:27:53] Voice 3: that that was just um touched my heart that people were so concerned so thank you thank

[3:28:00] Trustee Fast: you very much

[3:28:01] Trustee Fast: Lisa and we hope to see you at another meeting another time very good okay thank you trustees

[3:28:10] Trustee Fast: And do you want to take a break or are you ready to move on?

[3:28:18] Trustee Scott: No, I'd like to finish.

[3:28:20] Trustee Scott: I'd like to finish.

[3:28:21] Trustee Scott: Thank you.

[3:28:22] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:28:23] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:28:23] Trustee Fast: I just saw some deep sighs.

[3:28:25] Trustee Fast: So I just thought I would.

[3:28:27] Trustee Allen: That's okay.

[3:28:27] Trustee Allen: They're good.

[3:28:29] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:28:29] Trustee Fast: Now we're on 10.1, which is the, under correspondence,

[3:28:35] Trustee Fast: the letter about the transportation issues from the healthcare society.

[3:28:39] Trustee Fast: Any discussion on this?

[3:28:40] Trustee Fast: or should we just uh think about it for a future meeting go ahead trustee uh alan can't hear you

[3:28:51] Trustee Allen: we i think it's interesting letter because uh we have a bus on hornby as i said and uh that was

[3:28:58] Trustee Allen: very pretty much community did that not retail district i think we got some funding i'm not sure

[3:29:03] Trustee Allen: and it was high seat driven and then you know we're trying to get a bus to connect on demon

[3:29:09] Trustee Allen: side and then the pandemic arrived and so it's on hold and then he talks about so we always done

[3:29:14] Trustee Allen: we even did our trails with our community you know without any funding and they did their trails with

[3:29:19] Trustee Allen: help from the regional district so um i say look look within as well as look without but we won't

[3:29:26] Trustee Allen: write a letter to him but that's i think i know who he is i might talk to him personally okay

[3:29:33] Trustee Fast: trustee scott did you have anything you wanted to add to this brief discussion about the

[3:29:43] Trustee Fast: transportation letter no okay thank you and uh very good then let's move on um 11.1 is the advisory

[3:29:51] Trustee Fast: planning commission next steps is that we've got all the uh information uh from the hard work that

[3:29:57] Trustee Fast: they've done back pages um

[3:30:00] Trustee Fast: uh 26 to 51 are their uh response to our referral um yeah 26 to 51 and uh they have a number of uh

[3:30:14] Trustee Fast: recommendations there i've got to scroll back to that they're

[3:30:17] Voice 7: fast i just wanted to let you

[3:30:19] Voice 7: know that wendy burton um is available if you have any questions regarding the

[3:30:25] Voice 7: abc piece so

[3:30:26] Voice 7: So

[3:30:26] Trustee Fast: very good. Thank you very much. And thank you, Wendy, for sticking with us here.

[3:30:33] Trustee Fast: Sorry, I've got my old mouse and I'm scrolling madly back here.

[3:30:39] Trustee Fast: Page 26. How would you like to have this discussion? Heather, do you want to say a few words at this point?

[3:30:45] Trustee Fast: Yeah. Please take it away.

[3:30:48] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:30:49] Voice 13: Yeah, I did attend the last APC meeting with the Hornby APC. And so I think I know where

[3:30:58] Voice 13: they're going with us. They do have some recommended amendments. And Wendy may be

[3:31:05] Voice 13: able to speak to it a little bit more because I haven't been at all the meetings. But as I

[3:31:08] Voice 13: understand it, the primary gist of it is that they're recommending that some of the fines

[3:31:15] Voice 13: actually be increased and they've they've listed where those fines where

[3:31:21] Voice 13: they think those funds should be so that's kind of the general thing is in

[3:31:26] Voice 13: order to implement that there would have to be a bylaw amendment process which

[3:31:32] Voice 13: would be a project so I just want to alert everybody to that too but that's

[3:31:38] Voice 13: kind of my summary okay

[3:31:40] Trustee Fast: thank you and uh trustees would you like to hear uh wendy as the um apc

[3:31:49] Trustee Fast: whether she confirmed can concurs with that or wants to add anything i

[3:31:56] Trustee Allen: wouldn't mind her just

[3:31:57] Trustee Allen: doing a little update or something or yeah

[3:31:59] Trustee Fast: i see wendy's hand is up

[3:32:00] Trustee Allen: preamble of what they did right

[3:32:02] Trustee Fast: here she comes uh wendy if you want to say a few words and to the trustees thank you for

[3:32:09] Voice 8: for letting me have a chance to talk to you.

[3:32:12] Voice 8: One of the things that we did,

[3:32:14] Voice 8: we spent four months reviewing the Land Use By-law

[3:32:19] Voice 8: in its relationship to the OCP,

[3:32:22] Voice 8: and then the Schedule A, which is the fines and penalties.

[3:32:27] Voice 8: And we identified three foundational principles in the OCP

[3:32:33] Voice 8: that are reiterated in the Land Use By-law.

[3:32:35] Voice 8: and we found in some cases where there was an infraction that was directly related to a

[3:32:43] Voice 8: foundational principle the fine did not reflect the severity of the infraction and so the changes

[3:32:51] Voice 8: that we recommend is to raise some fines to the maximum allowed by the provincial government

[3:32:57] Voice 8: in order to demonstrate how we a rationalization of the infraction to Hornby Island official

[3:33:07] Voice 8: community plan foundational principles the other recommendation we had was a response to the very

[3:33:17] Voice 8: common complaint that there are 13 pages of infractions and thousands and thousands of

[3:33:24] Voice 8: dollars of fines and that is simply not the case the 13-page document schedule a my particular

[3:33:34] Voice 8: property for example there are about a quarter of one page of infractions that govern me and my

[3:33:41] Voice 8: property and uh and that is something that we would like to communicate to the community that

[3:33:47] Voice 8: This is not pages and pages and pages of finds, but rather very specific finds related to very specific zones on the island.

[3:33:59] Voice 8: That's pretty well the summary.

[3:34:01] Voice 8: It's a good working group.

[3:34:03] Voice 8: We have reviewed the documents extensively and discussed them, and we're prepared for the next referral if you folks have got any work for us.

[3:34:16] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:34:16] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, Wendy.

[3:34:18] Trustee Fast: and uh uh trustees do you have questions uh for either the regional planning manager or for wendy

[3:34:25] Trustee Fast: burton uh

[3:34:30] Trustee Allen: oh

[3:34:31] Trustee Fast: sorry

[3:34:32] Trustee Allen: he

[3:34:33] Trustee Scott: was first oh

[3:34:35] Trustee Fast: was he okay grant go ahead wendy

[3:34:38] Trustee Scott: there you are down there um

[3:34:40] Trustee Scott: thank you and um thank everybody on the apc for their work um it's more a question i have

[3:34:48] Trustee Scott: for Heather. What, now that this has been received from our EPC,

[3:34:56] Trustee Scott: where does it go? How do we get it adopted and how do we get it into practice?

[3:35:03] Voice 15: Go

[3:35:04] Voice 13: ahead. So because it's a, in order to make the changes that they're recommending,

[3:35:10] Voice 13: And if the LTC accepted those recommendations, then you would need to add a project to one of your project lists in order to have that bylaw amendment process.

[3:35:25] Voice 13: And then, yeah, that would be a bylaw amendment project that would include first and second and third reading.

[3:35:33] Voice 13: and um um and i think this is a land use bylaw and if it's a land use bylaw amendment it requires

[3:35:40] Voice 13: public hearing that kind of thing so

[3:35:44] Trustee Fast: i think the trustees local trust committee would have to think

[3:35:47] Trustee Fast: about it in relation to the other projects on our list on page 187 and 188 right and and what we

[3:35:54] Trustee Fast: could hope to accomplish before the end of term if we wanted to think about it that way that those

[3:35:59] Trustee Fast: kinds of things? How did it relate in importance compared to those other things? Personally,

[3:36:07] Trustee Fast: I can say I'm really pleased that they've done the work and the recommendations they're making

[3:36:15] Trustee Fast: are really clear and not as extensive as I was wondering might be the case, but that's great.

[3:36:26] Trustee Fast: anyway did you want to finish up your thought grant yes

[3:36:30] Trustee Scott: i mean so i i heard heather's heather

[3:36:35] Trustee Scott: if i call you the um regional planning manager once will that cover off every time during the

[3:36:41] Trustee Scott: meeting so i can just call you heather i have a hard time with that through the chair and stuff

[3:36:46] Trustee Scott: so um first of all we have to accept so i would like to move that we accept the report

[3:36:52] Trustee Scott: of the Hornby Island Advisory Planning Commission?

[3:36:57] Trustee Fast: That we receive it?

[3:36:59] Trustee Scott: Yeah, we receive it.

[3:37:01] Trustee Fast: Okay, do I have a seconder?

[3:37:05] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:37:05] Trustee Fast: And any discussion about this?

[3:37:09] Trustee Fast: No, I'll call the question.

[3:37:10] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[3:37:13] Trustee Fast: Oh, go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[3:37:15] Trustee Allen: I know if it's the right time,

[3:37:17] Trustee Allen: but this is not gonna be doable in two years, is it?

[3:37:20] Trustee Allen: I mean, my concern is I think we've got all these things

[3:37:23] Trustee Allen: we keep on going back to we need an OCP review right we've got so I'm not sure whether we can

[3:37:30] Trustee Allen: just bundle this up in that giant umbrella of the OCP review and that would be or does it have to

[3:37:36] Trustee Allen: be does it really have to be a separate thing I

[3:37:39] Trustee Fast: think at this point all grant is doing is um

[3:37:42] Trustee Fast: moving that we receive the report okay so

[3:37:46] Trustee Fast: it's officially received and it's in the minutes

[3:37:48] Trustee Fast: yeah okay okay

[3:37:52] Trustee Allen: so ignore what i just said so

[3:37:53] Trustee Fast: are you going to second the motion yes i am actually

[3:37:56] Trustee Allen: i did

[3:37:56] Trustee Fast: okay yes you did okay uh i'm going to call the question all those in favor that passes

[3:38:04] Trustee Fast: unanimously thank you very much wendy uh and please thank your group for us and um uh now

[3:38:13] Trustee Fast: uh do you want to save discussion on this until we get down to um projects list which is down there

[3:38:19] Trustee Fast: at 13.2 it's

[3:38:22] Trustee Scott: probably more appropriate yeah so wendy can you can you stay on wendy um she's still

[3:38:30] Trustee Fast: she's still on the line i see elaine connelly has her hand up is this somebody who's on the

[3:38:35] Trustee Fast: apc or no

[3:38:37] Trustee Scott: okay

[3:38:38] Trustee Fast: well then i'm gonna um suggest that she come to the town hall at the beginning

[3:38:43] Trustee Fast: of the next meeting and uh and we'll move down move on then quickly through these next reports

[3:38:48] Trustee Fast: so that we can discuss the project in context down there.

[3:38:53] Trustee Fast: Sound good?

[3:38:54] Trustee Scott: Wendy, can you stay on for that, please?

[3:38:57] Trustee Fast: Yes, I can.

[3:38:58] Trustee Scott: Thank you.

[3:38:59] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[3:39:01] Trustee Fast: And so we're going to receive that.

[3:39:06] Trustee Fast: And we're going to go on.

[3:39:07] Trustee Fast: Trust Conservancy report.

[3:39:10] Trustee Fast: I'll just say that it's there in the minutes, page 169.

[3:39:13] Trustee Fast: It's dated back in January.

[3:39:15] Trustee Fast: and we have our next meeting tomorrow uh tomorrow next week so um i will bring you up to date i'm

[3:39:22] Trustee Fast: the vice chair of the islands trust conservancy so i'll be able to bring you more information

[3:39:26] Trustee Fast: at the upcoming meeting and does anybody have any questions about that trust conservancy report

[3:39:34] Trustee Fast: we just passed the budget at trust council so you'll be sort of up to date with everything

[3:39:38] Trustee Fast: i think there was a different report there okay i'm going to put a check mark beside that seeing

[3:39:42] Trustee Fast: no questions and the applications report have you got questions for the planning manager page 172 to

[3:39:49] Trustee Fast: 179 yes

[3:39:53] Trustee Allen: through the chair can can you just give us a little time to like scroll down to our pages

[3:39:56] Trustee Allen: because i'm way behind like i'm oh okay i keep going back and forth and back and forth and then

[3:40:01] Trustee Allen: you think we have no questions and i actually do but i

[3:40:03] Trustee Fast: will slow down yes good point page 172

[3:40:09] Trustee Fast: is the beginning of the applications report i know there usually are questions

[3:40:46] Voice 13: Applications on here that have been issued or closed out and so we need to update our

[3:40:54] Voice 13: system here.

[3:40:55] Voice 13: I'm saying the report is a little outdated.

[3:40:58] Trustee Scott: Yeah, a number of them have been approved and are gone and a number of

[3:41:01] Trustee Scott: them we approved

[3:41:02] Trustee Scott: today.

[3:41:03] Trustee Scott: I guess we'll be gone by the next one.

[3:41:05] Trustee Scott: Is that right, Heather?

[3:41:07] Trustee Scott: Okay.

[3:41:08] Trustee Allen: The Jeremy Payne thing, I know he had a temporary use permit for a year.

[3:41:13] Trustee Allen: I'm not sure when that comes up and now

[3:41:15] Trustee Scott: you know this is unbelievably frustrating this scrolling

[3:41:18] Trustee Scott: thing going on I don't know I

[3:41:21] Trustee Scott: mean we

[3:41:24] Trustee Fast: hear you we hear you trustee Scott and we've removed that

[3:41:28] Trustee Fast: uh let us know if you want to see something on the screen how about that yeah

[3:41:33] Trustee Scott: we've got to figure out

[3:41:34] Trustee Scott: I mean I want to be able to scroll it at my rate you know so that I can see because as Alex said

[3:41:43] Trustee Scott: that's the only we don't get a book of all this stuff which if i would actually prefer and then

[3:41:48] Trustee Scott: i can actually lead through it either that or i've got to have another computer to put it on

[3:41:52] Trustee Scott: none of that makes really any sense so i don't know how we make this work better anyway that's

[3:41:59] Trustee Scott: a statement of frustration more than anything so let's just carry on

[3:42:02] Trustee Fast: actually i think you brought

[3:42:04] Trustee Fast: up a really good point i have two screens lots of us have you know different devices or they're

[3:42:10] Trustee Fast: They're using phones, but I don't see,

[3:42:14] Trustee Fast: I don't think it would be too much of a problem to print out a full agenda

[3:42:18] Trustee Fast: and mail it to you. Would that be a problem?

[3:42:23] Trustee Fast: Well,

[3:42:23] Voice 13: we, we have suggested that if you have a local printer,

[3:42:28] Voice 13: that might be the easiest way to do that.

[3:42:32] Trustee Scott: Yeah.

[3:42:33] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:42:37] Trustee Fast: Let's discuss this offline. And, but for now, well, when you want,

[3:42:40] Trustee Scott: can I, can we, Sue Ellen, can we leave it with, I mean, Heather,

[3:42:43] Trustee Scott: Heather, could you figure out a way to deal with it to assist us that by the next meeting?

[3:42:48] Trustee Scott: I mean, you don't need us throwing our two bits within.

[3:42:50] Trustee Scott: If you could just figure out how to make it work, I think the options are buy us another

[3:42:54] Trustee Scott: computer or print it or something else.

[3:43:00] Voice 13: Sure, we can think about it.

[3:43:02] Voice 13: We'll give it some thought.

[3:43:03] Voice 13: In the meantime, you know, yeah, if us displaying it, so, you know, we've been sharing our screens

[3:43:09] Voice 13: and then we've been scrolling and it sounds like that's problematic for you and we can

[3:43:15] Voice 13: stop doing that, right?

[3:43:16] Voice 13: um so if there's a particular if there's a particular application you see on your screen

[3:43:22] Voice 13: that you want to talk about um you know maybe we'll leave it to you to have a look at that

[3:43:27] Voice 13: yeah

[3:43:28] Trustee Fast: or request that something in particular be shown on the screen i

[3:43:34] Voice 13: can i can get to the page

[3:43:35] Voice 13: number um and then share it as opposed to scrolling it if it's easier that way i think

[3:43:44] Trustee Fast: that would be helpful when there's any lag it makes it jump yeah and it distracts you as well

[3:43:50] Trustee Fast: as not being able to see understandable okay thank you so um back to trustee ellen i think

[3:43:58] Trustee Fast: you were asking about trustee about that

[3:44:01] Trustee Allen: yeah so um jeremy had so you guys gave a temporary

[3:44:06] Trustee Allen: use permit for a year i'm not sure when that expires and and now the applicant's applying

[3:44:10] Trustee Allen: for a siting in use permit. I'm just wondering, is that going to go to neighbors as well? Because

[3:44:16] Trustee Allen: I've heard many concerns from one particular neighbor that the smoke, he hasn't been there

[3:44:25] Trustee Allen: last summer. He's been elsewhere. He was at the cidery. So we have not still seen what that smoke

[3:44:33] Trustee Allen: thing, diffuser, whatever you want to call that, how that's going to work. Because we're talking

[3:44:38] Trustee Allen: about a lovely organic nursery right across the road that was having when he

[3:44:45] Trustee Allen: first appeared it was just smoke going right there and it's you know and

[3:44:48] Trustee Allen: there's a juice bar and it's fruit and vegetable stand it's completely

[3:44:52] Trustee Allen: different than ringside with the co-op and stuff it's just a nice little mellow

[3:44:55] Trustee Allen: place so I'm just hoping that this will come up to neighbors again with this one

[3:45:02] Trustee Allen: and because we haven't seen that smokestack in operation yet in terms of

[3:45:07] Trustee Allen: like the smoke diffuser so that's i just want i'm just sharing what neighbors have said so

[3:45:14] Trustee Allen: it's not going to be addressed thank

[3:45:16] Trustee Fast: you trustee scott did you have any uh oh i'm seeing you're

[3:45:20] Trustee Fast: looking through papers excuse me um yeah that's a funny thing about temporary use permits

[3:45:29] Trustee Fast: what happens when they're not used so you can't really see what the effects would be okay

[3:45:36] Trustee Fast: questions uh trustee scott did you have any questions for the planet for the region planning

[3:45:42] Trustee Fast: manager about the applications no all right i think we've heard that she's going to update the

[3:45:48] Trustee Fast: list um i think often things show up on the list so that they can have the word completed behind

[3:45:54] Trustee Fast: them for the record just so you know they're done right so they might not all disappear at the next

[3:46:00] Trustee Fast: go around but i must say you've been working through them there we're certainly getting

[3:46:05] Trustee Fast: through them or it appears that way to me from a distance okay if there's no more questions

[3:46:12] Trustee Fast: for the planner about the application reports let's move down to trustee and local expense

[3:46:18] Trustee Fast: report page 180 anybody got questions about the expenses hearing none we'll move on adopted

[3:46:31] Trustee Fast: policies and standing resolutions I think are here more for our reference oh go ahead Alex

[3:46:36] Trustee Fast: Yeah,

[3:46:37] Trustee Allen: I requested the date to be changed. It's still on page 181, the standing resolution on

[3:46:44] Trustee Allen: those addresses, and it says October 31st, 2020. It should have been 2022, I think.

[3:46:52] Trustee Allen: I'm sorry about that. We'll fix that.

[3:46:54] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:46:55] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you. Anything else on adopted policies and standing resolutions?

[3:47:03] Trustee Fast: Seeing none. Local Trust Committee webpage. This is just in here

[3:47:08] Trustee Fast: in case anybody ever wants to say anything about it or do anything but i think you do a different

[3:47:12] Trustee Fast: kind of reporting um than using your web page correct so we'll just leave that where sorry

[3:47:20] Trustee Allen: excuse me where are we at with the new web site when is that going to be launched is that going

[3:47:24] Trustee Allen: to be launched before our next trust meeting trust council meeting or it

[3:47:28] Trustee Fast: sounds like it might be i

[3:47:29] Trustee Fast: think it's early april and uh so i'll leave this on next agenda and we can have a look at it and

[3:47:36] Trustee Fast: see whether we want to do anything differently okay and uh top priorities so i'm on page 186 now

[3:47:43] Trustee Fast: here's our top priorities um what do we think about this list 186 well

[3:47:53] Trustee Allen: this is where we come

[3:47:53] Trustee Allen: back to the conversation regarding the umbrella of the ocp review and uh so i would like to have

[3:47:59] Trustee Allen: uh but hear what regional planning manager heather has to say yes

[3:48:04] Trustee Fast: i say i'm always confused about

[3:48:06] Trustee Fast: about top priorities versus projects.

[3:48:08] Trustee Fast: So go ahead regional planning manager.

[3:48:10] Voice 13: Right, so just to put context on it.

[3:48:15] Voice 13: So the APC recommendations are an amendment

[3:48:18] Voice 13: to the land use bylaw, not the OCP.

[3:48:22] Voice 13: You can do projects where you're amending the OCP

[3:48:25] Voice 13: and the LEB at the same time.

[3:48:27] Voice 13: The way that your top priority is currently listed

[3:48:33] Voice 13: is just the OCP.

[3:48:34] Voice 13: so the APC recommendations aren't aren't captured in any of your three top priorities at the moment

[3:48:44] Voice 13: or would or wouldn't be unless you change the scope or the nature of that project which you can

[3:48:51] Voice 13: do so you have your three top priorities and there's an assumption those you've identified

[3:48:59] Voice 13: identified those and then and then we've gone through a process of saying well what kind of

[3:49:05] Voice 13: staff resources do we have what do you do with those top priorities and the the project that

[3:49:11] Voice 13: are the two projects on your top priority list that are currently being actively worked on

[3:49:15] Voice 13: are priority two and three um which have to do with fresh water and the could

[3:49:20] Trustee Scott: you put those

[3:49:21] Trustee Scott: i'm sorry could you put those up please could this is where we yep

[3:49:25] Voice 13: i will do that page

[3:49:27] Trustee Allen: 186 grant

[3:49:28] Trustee Allen: and i won't

[3:49:29] Trustee Scott: that's the problem i i've got this on the screen i don't know

[3:49:34] Trustee Scott: so these are yeah

[3:49:35] Voice 13: so this is your yeah so so we are so there are currently we're working on two

[3:49:44] Voice 13: and three and um and number one is there's no there's you know you had a um some ocp lub

[3:49:55] Voice 13: UB amendments that were technical in nature, and those have been working through the process. But

[3:50:01] Voice 13: this is a different idea. I think this is a comprehensive OCP review, which I think we've

[3:50:07] Voice 13: talked about that a little bit, that that is the kind of project that the new regional planning

[3:50:14] Voice 13: team might take on. But the organization hasn't decided how we decide which major OCP amendment

[3:50:24] Voice 13: goes first in terms of, you know, if you have multiple LTCs who are interested in doing major

[3:50:30] Voice 13: projects, how do we decide which one goes first? And so this is, at least for now, kind of a

[3:50:36] Voice 13: placeholder to identify the fact that Hornby's interested in a project like this, but hasn't

[3:50:43] Voice 13: been implemented or initiated yet. So in terms of your APC project, because it's an LUB amendment,

[3:50:52] Voice 13: amendment. There's a couple of ways that you could deal with that. You could replace one of

[3:50:59] Voice 13: your top three priorities on the top priorities list with that and say, no, we really want to

[3:51:04] Voice 13: prioritize this. And then we would talk about what kind of resourcing, you know, do you want us to

[3:51:10] Voice 13: drop one of these other projects that you want us to do? Or are you going to put it on this list as

[3:51:15] Voice 13: sort of a placeholder to that? That's the next project you want to work on, right? The projects

[3:51:21] Voice 13: The context list, which is the separate list that's on the page after this, is really a placeholder list for future projects that you would like staff to consider doing.

[3:51:34] Voice 13: You don't want to lose track of it, but you recognize that there aren't resources at the moment to work on them.

[3:51:40] Voice 13: And so the APC work could also be put on that list.

[3:51:47] Voice 13: as as I've looked at these lists over the last year and a half one of the things I've started

[3:51:52] Voice 13: recommending to LTCs is that they maybe start lumping things together so if there are there

[3:52:00] Voice 13: are things on your if there are projects on your projects list that are land use bylaw amendments

[3:52:07] Voice 13: could you clump all of those together and identify those so that at some future project you know

[3:52:14] Voice 13: you're going to do land use by law amendments and you're going to try to tackle all of those

[3:52:18] Voice 13: at once kind of thing you can separate them out the projects list doesn't really have any

[3:52:22] Voice 13: structure to it at the moment but um it you can structure it that way and it's gives us an idea

[3:52:29] Voice 13: of what kinds of projects we've got on the list so that's the that's the long version i suppose

[3:52:37] Trustee Fast: thank you go ahead i'm going to get trustee scott first and then trustee ellen go ahead grant

[3:52:44] Trustee Scott: Well, two points. First of all, that idea of the regional planning

[3:52:50] Voice 5: team looking at it.

[3:52:53] Trustee Scott: Ours was revised, I think, in 2014 or 16, the OCP.

[3:52:59] Trustee Scott: And from what I understood, I forget who I spoke to it about, somebody down in David Marlowe or somebody.

[3:53:06] Trustee Scott: That puts us about last because there's a whole bunch of other ones that are much older than ours that have been around a long time.

[3:53:12] Trustee Scott: And everybody's going to be pushing this regional planning team.

[3:53:16] Trustee Scott: to be on that list so that doesn't look very good for us uh if that's true and i think it

[3:53:23] Trustee Scott: you know if i was one of those other islands i think i that's what we'd be pushing for right

[3:53:29] Trustee Scott: so i understand that um we have asked the apc to do this work it seems it would seem

[3:53:38] Trustee Scott: i i don't know what i'd call i'm totally unfair to go and ask them to do the work they go and

[3:53:43] Trustee Scott: diligently do it and then we don't move on it with a certain amount of haste whatever that means

[3:53:51] Trustee Scott: this context but that we that we put it off on some way down the line thing now your idea of

[3:53:58] Trustee Scott: of putting some of these together can you see that in our list here if some you can we could

[3:54:04] Trustee Scott: package these things because what i'm let me just finish that thought because what we want to do

[3:54:09] Trustee Scott: next i'm hoping is we will ask give the apc another job which is to take a look at the

[3:54:16] Trustee Scott: official community plan the land use bylaws just take a review of them you know not start the whole

[3:54:22] Trustee Scott: process but um so given that speech or whatever it was could heather could you reflect on that

[3:54:31] Trustee Scott: and tell us what you think would be the most effective way for us to deal with it idea one

[3:54:39] Voice 13: way or the other to put it on one of these lists and to identify specifically like the APC's

[3:54:47] Voice 13: recommendation around it and reference you know there was an APC recommendation to the LTC on

[3:54:54] Voice 13: this date and we would like to implement those recommendations so at the very least that

[3:55:02] Voice 13: information should be put on one of these two lists the top priority list or the project list

[3:55:06] Voice 13: list. So I do recommend that. But yeah, the rest of it is a resourcing issue. If you put it on

[3:55:14] Voice 13: your top priorities list, it kind of puts us on notice that that's the next thing that you want

[3:55:20] Voice 13: us to do when we have the resources to do it. But in terms of this idea that you want to refer

[3:55:36] Voice 13: refer things to the APC, that could be weaved into a project like that. So right now you don't

[3:55:47] Voice 13: have a comprehensive, I mean, you have a comprehensive OCP review, but you recognize

[3:55:53] Voice 13: that likely staff aren't going to be able to do that. So is there some other way that you're

[3:55:59] Voice 13: thinking about having that move forward? And if so, do you also want to include the LUB in that

[3:56:07] Voice 13: that project and could this, and if that were the case,

[3:56:11] Voice 13: then it would make sense that these APC recommendations

[3:56:15] Voice 13: are part of that project, if that makes sense.

[3:56:20] Voice 13: I don't know if it does.

[3:56:21] Trustee Scott: But what we could do then,

[3:56:22] Trustee Scott: what we could do then is ask the APC to take a look

[3:56:27] Trustee Scott: at the official community plan and the land use bylaws.

[3:56:32] Trustee Scott: So they've looked at the land use bylaws

[3:56:34] Trustee Scott: in as far as the fines and that part of it.

[3:56:40] Trustee Scott: But to look at them in general, in terms of,

[3:56:44] Trustee Scott: well, first look at the official community plan

[3:56:47] Trustee Scott: and where are the areas in it that are going to need work

[3:56:52] Trustee Scott: and have they any suggestions as to what that might be?

[3:56:55] Trustee Scott: And secondly, then given that,

[3:56:58] Trustee Scott: look at the land use bylaws

[3:56:59] Trustee Scott: and where would those be changed

[3:57:03] Trustee Scott: and do they have suggestions on change to what?

[3:57:05] Trustee Scott: what I mean I don't think we can we can't go and ask them to do a whole the whole thing but to get

[3:57:10] Trustee Scott: some point out to us where they think they're we need to have work done and obviously from what

[3:57:16] Trustee Scott: we've heard recently obviously the First Nations issue is going to be a huge one and then and then

[3:57:22] Trustee Scott: they could we could package the um this report that they've just done could become a comprehensive

[3:57:28] Trustee Scott: package with those other two things is that what you're sort of suggesting right

[3:57:34] Voice 13: yeah yeah

[3:57:35] Trustee Scott: so I

[3:57:36] Trustee Scott: I'd like to ask Wendy if that makes sense to her.

[3:57:42] Trustee Fast: Before we go to Wendy,

[3:57:43] Trustee Fast: I'd like to hear from Trustee Allen as well.

[3:57:46] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[3:57:47] Trustee Allen: Yeah, thank you.

[3:57:49] Trustee Allen: I'm almost sharing a brain with Grant, Trustee Grant.

[3:57:54] Trustee Allen: Yeah, I look at this as like,

[3:57:56] Trustee Allen: number one, we can actually pass it on to APC, Tilkatat.

[3:58:01] Trustee Allen: I'm not, I'm kind of hesitant to have First Nations

[3:58:04] Trustee Allen: in that group right now, considering what's going on.

[3:58:07] Trustee Allen: but the other categories yes and then putting the abc recommendations that we just received today

[3:58:13] Trustee Allen: as number one and then um three will be in a queue okay

[3:58:22] Trustee Fast: i think if i can can i translate this and see

[3:58:25] Trustee Fast: if i'm understanding you i'm looking at page uh 186 and so this is of our top priorities project

[3:58:33] Trustee Fast: yes i think what i'm hearing is that you're going to um take number one which is comprehensive ocp

[3:58:40] Trustee Fast: review and just for grants um uh he maybe he's got it in his head but it would say ocp plan

[3:58:47] Trustee Fast: amendment um be prioritized by the regional planning team topic areas of focus first nation

[3:58:52] Trustee Fast: short-term vacation rentals housing and riparian areas dpa and instead of taking and remove that

[3:59:00] Trustee Fast: and give it to the apc yes

[3:59:02] Voice 1: and

[3:59:03] Trustee Fast: then in this slot that's left at the top of our top priorities list

[3:59:10] Trustee Allen: recommendations today of

[3:59:12] Trustee Fast: today okay

[3:59:13] Trustee Allen: yeah that's number one and number two

[3:59:16] Trustee Allen: will be watershed

[3:59:18] Trustee Fast: i

[3:59:18] Trustee Allen: think this is a little

[3:59:19] Trustee Fast: different from what grant was suggesting yeah

[3:59:21] Trustee Scott: i don't i i don't

[3:59:24] Trustee Scott: think we can ask the APC to do a comprehensive OCP review. That implies the wording and get

[3:59:34] Trustee Scott: really into the detail of it. I think the idea is in this first stage is for them to go through

[3:59:39] Trustee Scott: and just have a look at it and make suggestions around these are the areas that are going to need

[3:59:46] Trustee Scott: review.

[3:59:47] Trustee Allen: Well, then we're in agreement. Pardon me? We're in agreement because I just said it's not

[3:59:52] Trustee Allen: not the whole OCP review. It's what's listed up there. Short-term vacation rentals, housing,

[3:59:56] Trustee Allen: and riparian areas. That's it.

[4:00:00] Trustee Scott: I don't want to limit to that.

[4:00:02] Trustee Scott: I want them to be able to go and look at it

[4:00:04] Trustee Scott: and decide which of these.

[4:00:10] Trustee Allen: I'm sorry.

[4:00:11] Trustee Allen: I just feel that in our community,

[4:00:13] Trustee Allen: what they want,

[4:00:13] Trustee Allen: they want to readdress the short-term vacation rentals.

[4:00:16] Trustee Allen: Housing is an issue.

[4:00:17] Trustee Allen: And you and I were talking about the riparian

[4:00:20] Trustee Allen: and the two reports and the two companies.

[4:00:24] Trustee Fast: Maybe now is a good time to hear from Wendy.

[4:00:28] Trustee Fast: And so, Wendy,

[4:00:30] Trustee Fast: if you have any reflections on what you've been hearing,

[4:00:33] Trustee Fast: or does the APC want to take a few months off

[4:00:37] Trustee Fast: or maybe you could as a, please go ahead.

[4:00:43] Voice 8: The APC is ready to tackle the OCP.

[4:00:50] Voice 8: I think partly because we are very familiar as a group,

[4:00:55] Voice 8: very familiar with those two documents.

[4:00:58] Voice 8: When we started doing this work a year ago,

[4:01:01] Voice 8: none of us had read the whole document.

[4:01:03] Voice 8: now we can practically recite sections of it and one of the first things that the APC would

[4:01:10] Voice 8: probably do is to ask for uh ask the trustees what are some areas of concern and so I I and

[4:01:18] Voice 8: members of the APC appreciate the direction uh it'll get us started obviously from my point of

[4:01:28] Voice 8: of view if we find something else we would we would bring that forward but the you know those

[4:01:35] Voice 8: four areas uh are it will help us get started and and the uh i agree with the the delicacy

[4:01:44] Voice 8: around first nations at the moment but we have frequently commented that there is no language

[4:01:51] Voice 8: language in the OCP at all about acknowledging First Nations cultural artifacts, cultural

[4:02:02] Voice 8: presence, et cetera. And so I would suggest that that list that you have there be our marching

[4:02:11] Voice 8: orders. We'll obviously find something else. We always do. And we're good to go. We're

[4:02:18] Trustee Fast: keeners.

[4:02:19] Trustee Fast: very good thank you very much

[4:02:22] Trustee Scott: go perfect all right alex you're right okay so

[4:02:27] Trustee Scott: i'm always right grant

[4:02:28] Trustee Fast: um i'm

[4:02:30] Trustee Allen: not going that far

[4:02:31] Trustee Fast: heather i

[4:02:33] Voice 13: just want to talk through the logistics of a project like this

[4:02:37] Voice 13: so the apc is a very specific body that has to have a minute taker and minutes have to be taken

[4:02:46] Voice 13: again, and notification of the meetings have to be sent out, et

[4:02:50] Voice 13: cetera, right? So depending on

[4:02:53] Voice 13: the number of meetings that the APC would have, you are actually going to accrue a cost because

[4:02:59] Voice 13: we have to pay the minute taker and notification costs and that sort of thing. So potentially that

[4:03:06] Voice 13: depending on how many meetings the APC has, you're accruing a budget. I mean, if you notice

[4:03:12] Voice 13: us from the LTC expense report today, you were over the line item budget that you have for APCs

[4:03:20] Voice 13: by, I'm scrolling, but I'm not making you watch. So we're over $543 for the estimated budget for

[4:03:32] Voice 13: APC meetings for the year. So you might want to take that into consideration.

[4:03:42] Voice 13: There is an alternative, and I'll just say that really quickly, and that is that,

[4:03:47] Voice 13: you know, the Liskety community, they have a Liskety community association, and they,

[4:03:57] Voice 13: as a volunteer community group, decided that they were going to review the Liskety OCP.

[4:04:03] Voice 13: And because it's not an APC that is legislated and requires minute taking from us, you know, we don't, there was no cost to Islands Trust and no requirement for minute takers or notification or any of that.

[4:04:19] Voice 13: So the Leskete Community Association took on that work voluntarily, right?

[4:04:24] Voice 13: So that's a, that's an option.

[4:04:27] Voice 13: I'm not saying you should do that, but that's, that's an option that you have.

[4:04:30] Voice 13: um and uh just throwing that out there

[4:04:34] Voice 8: right could i comment on that go ahead wendy as far

[4:04:39] Voice 8: as i'm concerned looking at the work that the liskitty organization did it was an 18 month

[4:04:45] Voice 8: project there were there were more than one meeting a month there were seven public meetings

[4:04:52] Voice 8: that i'm sure the cost to that association was considerably more than five hundred dollars

[4:04:59] Voice 8: And I, at least, am not prepared to take on a volunteer effort of that sort, partly because it becomes, no matter what we would do, it would become an exclusive activity.

[4:05:16] Voice 8: The APC has a mandate, we have process, even though we get cranky about it sometimes, we have public notice, and we have ways that are already established to inform the community about what we're doing.

[4:05:34] Voice 8: and and while I appreciate that Liskitty decided to do that and and I applaud them for their effort

[4:05:42] Voice 8: I feel first of all that we that what is being suggested is not a review of the entire

[4:05:51] Voice 8: OCP this this OCP is not a dated document it has been reviewed quite recently we are

[4:06:02] Voice 8: are, as I understand it, possibly going to be asked

[4:06:07] Voice 8: to look at specific areas in the OCP.

[4:06:12] Voice 8: And I believe that is to have someone to come

[4:06:17] Voice 8: and take minutes or to have someone take minutes

[4:06:20] Voice 8: in a Zoom meeting is really a small budgetary item

[4:06:27] Voice 8: to support the work of seven volunteers

[4:06:30] Voice 8: who then have a process of reporting

[4:06:34] Voice 8: directly to the local trust committee for their actions.

[4:06:41] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, Wendy.

[4:06:43] Trustee Fast: And I think there's a whole aspect of the energy

[4:06:46] Trustee Fast: that would take to reorganize everything.

[4:06:50] Trustee Fast: But thank you, Heather.

[4:06:52] Trustee Fast: That's an up-to-date example of another way,

[4:06:55] Trustee Fast: an option to consider.

[4:06:58] Trustee Fast: Okay, go ahead, Grant.

[4:06:59] Trustee Scott: Yes. As far as the $500 and whatever dollars, I mean, I think, Wendy, you said it perfectly. So, Ellen, I'm sure you can go and find whatever money we need to keep the APC going, right?

[4:07:17] Trustee Fast: The APC?

[4:07:18] Trustee Scott: Yeah.

[4:07:19] Trustee Fast: Well, that's not actually my decision. Heather manages that through the region's budget, through the northern region.

[4:07:28] Trustee Scott: Heather, is the money for the APC going to be a problem?

[4:07:34] Voice 13: LTC's budget works is you basically have the total, you know, in your expense budget.

[4:07:41] Voice 13: And if you stay within that total, you're generally okay.

[4:07:47] Voice 13: It's if you exceed that, if you exceed the expenses, you actually have to go to trust

[4:07:50] Voice 13: council.

[4:07:51] Trustee Scott: We

[4:07:52] Voice 13: haven't had any expenses.

[4:07:54] Trustee Scott: We haven't been to a trust council meeting.

[4:07:56] Trustee Scott: We haven't been anywhere.

[4:07:57] Trustee Scott: I don't know how we could even possibly spend our whatever the budget is I don't

[4:08:04] Trustee Scott: get it it's

[4:08:06] Trustee Fast: different during these COVID times that's for sure but if we did go over we'd have to go to

[4:08:10] Trustee Fast: trust council and ask for more

[4:08:12] Trustee Scott: I would love to go to trust council and say of your whatever that

[4:08:19] Trustee Scott: that three point how many million is it over nine million dollar budget i mean boy let's get

[4:08:29] Trustee Scott: everybody's hair out where i'm gonna laugh but let's get everybody on her hair on fire over

[4:08:33] Trustee Scott: something that'll do it

[4:08:35] Trustee Fast: no no i think so

[4:08:36] Trustee Scott: let's forget the month please let's get that out of

[4:08:39] Trustee Scott: the way and heather it was a good idea but i can see you can see from wendy that i think there is

[4:08:45] Trustee Scott: accountability there there's a process people on the cornby island understand it we it's too

[4:08:50] Trustee Scott: divisive on this island if we we set up this thing with no restructure around it i don't even want to

[4:08:57] Trustee Scott: pretend to predict where it's all going to go right it could go so sideways into the ozone

[4:09:02] Trustee Scott: and wendy would anyway so let's a let's stick with the apc wendy let's um as she's pointed out

[4:09:11] Trustee Scott: let's um use that number one on there in that priority list and let's assign that over there

[4:09:16] Trustee Scott: but take a review of it exactly the way when he described it and let's um let's get on with it

[4:09:24] Trustee Scott: keep these people working who have been really keen and they want to keep going good let's not

[4:09:28] Trustee Scott: lose that momentum that's my speech sue ellen thank

[4:09:33] Trustee Fast: you grant um trustee allen do you want to

[4:09:37] Trustee Fast: to want to make a motion

[4:09:38] Trustee Allen: um yeah i just sort of echo what grant said and um yeah let's because

[4:09:43] Trustee Allen: in previous terms when grant wasn't a trustee we had apc and we kept being bumped by another

[4:09:49] Trustee Allen: and other things and they got really frustrated we had all these people quitting because they

[4:09:53] Trustee Allen: had nothing to do so here we have this amazing group of people that have just provided this

[4:09:58] Trustee Allen: amazing report um you know on the fines and whatnot and they're just keeners as wendy said

[4:10:06] Trustee Allen: they know usb they've read it they're they're you know it's all ripe and raw right now so um yeah

[4:10:12] Trustee Allen: let's bring it on and find the money okay

[4:10:16] Trustee Fast: thank you then i'm going to make a motion what i'm

[4:10:19] Trustee Fast: hearing and you can tell me if this is correct i'm going to make a motion to remove number one

[4:10:25] Trustee Fast: over there on the top priorities list and move it over to the apc so um i'll create a gap the

[4:10:34] Trustee Fast: The Hornby Island Local Trust Committee requests that the APC provide recommendations for an official community plan amendment, topic areas of focus, short-term vacation rentals.

[4:10:57] Trustee Allen: After hearing Wendy, can you add First Nations again?

[4:11:01] Trustee Allen: Okay.

[4:11:01] Trustee Fast: First Nations, comma, short-term vacation rentals, comma, housing, comma, and the riparian areas DPA.

[4:11:12] Trustee Fast: Trustee Allen?

[4:11:14] Trustee Allen: My only concern with the riparians, because do they need to know the context?

[4:11:19] Trustee Allen: They know what the context of everything else is, those topics, but in terms of the riparian,

[4:11:24] Trustee Allen: it's basically that we had two companies, two reports, and they're very different,

[4:11:28] Trustee Allen: and that's really what we're reviewing and so I'm not sure whether we have to provide them with more

[4:11:32] Trustee Allen: information in that regard or whether they actually understand. I

[4:11:35] Trustee Fast: think staff will work

[4:11:36] Trustee Fast: with them on that or

[4:11:38] Trustee Fast: they can request the information. Sure. You don't

[4:11:41] Trustee Fast: have to do it now.

[4:11:42] Trustee Scott: Let them have a look at it and just. Yeah. The only

[4:11:47] Trustee Scott: word the only if I can only around your

[4:11:50] Trustee Scott: resolution would generally like is the word I don't think we're asking them to to look at

[4:11:56] Trustee Scott: specific amendments i think that might be a bit premature i mean i think recommendations rather

[4:12:03] Trustee Scott: than amendments um okay

[4:12:07] Trustee Scott: heather what are you thinking do you think amendments is a bit too

[4:12:11] Trustee Scott: specific to ask them for in the

[4:12:16] Voice 13: end probably want a recommendation about whether or not there should

[4:12:21] Voice 13: be amendments and if so

[4:12:22] Voice 13: what those are so sure okay

[4:12:27] Voice 13: so yes go

[4:12:29] Trustee Fast: ahead uh vicky well

[4:12:31] Voice 10: i have that

[4:12:32] Voice 10: it's a request uh that the apc provide recommendations for an ocp amendment which is

[4:12:39] Voice 10: they're not suggesting the amendment but the recommendations okay which

[4:12:43] Voice 10: is where it would

[4:12:44] Voice 10: have to go so makes sense to me

[4:12:46] Trustee Scott: okay very

[4:12:48] Trustee Fast: good okay would somebody like to make that motion

[4:12:50] Trustee Fast: i

[4:12:51] Trustee Allen: make the motion thank

[4:12:53] Trustee Fast: you and uh did i uh

[4:12:56] Voice 13: uh heather did you want to add the land use bylaw

[4:13:01] Voice 13: or are you just having a

[4:13:02] Trustee Scott: look at the official community plan

[4:13:03] Trustee Scott: no the land use bylaw as well

[4:13:05] Trustee Scott: there he is yeah in

[4:13:07] Trustee Fast: those areas right yeah

[4:13:09] Trustee Scott: in those areas

[4:13:09] Trustee Fast: okay thank you thank you i forgot that

[4:13:13] Trustee Fast: so did you catch that vicky okay she's nodding yes she's got that in there too

[4:13:22] Trustee Fast: to official community plan and land law amendments.

[4:13:26] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[4:13:26] Trustee Fast: Then do I have a seconder?

[4:13:30] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Scott.

[4:13:31] Trustee Fast: And any more discussion?

[4:13:35] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[4:13:37] Trustee Fast: One, two, three hands went up.

[4:13:40] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously, thank you.

[4:13:41] Trustee Fast: Now we have a gap at the top of our top priorities list.

[4:13:44] Trustee Fast: And here is some draft wording.

[4:13:47] Trustee Fast: That the LTC direct staff to place the recommendations

[4:13:50] Trustee Fast: recommendations of the APC received March 26th, 2021, and add to the top priorities list.

[4:14:02] Trustee Fast: I think I see, Grant, are you moving this? I am.

[4:14:06] Trustee Fast: Thank you. I second.

[4:14:08] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you.

[4:14:10] Trustee Fast: Any discussion, including from the regional planning manager? Yeah, go ahead, Heather.

[4:14:14] Trustee Fast: So it sounds like you're missing

[4:14:16] Voice 13: number one. So number one is being taken off the top priority

[4:14:20] Voice 13: list but is being referred to the APC and then the their recommendations from today about the

[4:14:26] Voice 13: land use bylaw are being are replacing number one that's right okay is

[4:14:31] Trustee Fast: that everybody agreeing with

[4:14:33] Trustee Fast: that number one on the top priority list what

[4:14:38] Trustee Scott: what about no wait a minute what about that

[4:14:40] Trustee Scott: about getting on that list of the regional planning team team I

[4:14:47] Voice 8: will watch that

[4:14:49] Voice 8: this

[4:14:50] Trustee Fast: is a uh uh somebody's got some sounds going um i um yeah that's that's going away right now

[4:14:59] Trustee Fast: and uh maybe do you want to see that again grant because we are

[4:15:04] Trustee Fast: taking ourselves off that list

[4:15:06] Trustee Fast: i

[4:15:07] Trustee Scott: guess we do what the apc is doing first i'm just worried if we're gonna maybe it's a waste

[4:15:12] Trustee Scott: of time putting ourselves on that list anyway i don't know if there's all these other ones

[4:15:17] Trustee Scott: going to get ahead of us it's just that heather

[4:15:23] Voice 13: so um it may it may be good to keep this as your

[4:15:30] Voice 13: top priority but what you're doing is adding the lub to it and you're just one of the steps in this

[4:15:39] Voice 13: project now this project that is your top priority is to refer it to the apc right so you can keep it

[4:15:47] Voice 13: is your top priority gets referred to the APC likely what would happen is when they come back

[4:15:53] Voice 13: with their recommendations then all of those recommended amendments would now be assigned

[4:15:59] Voice 13: to the regional planning team as a project

[4:16:02] Trustee Fast: we received today as well as the new ones yeah

[4:16:05] Trustee Fast: as the ones okay yeah

[4:16:08] Trustee Allen: it makes sense okay so

[4:16:12] Trustee Fast: we've referred it to the APC and we're going to

[4:16:14] Trustee Fast: to leave it here as a placeholder in the top priorities list.

[4:16:19] Trustee Fast: Sound good?

[4:16:20] Voice 5: Yeah.

[4:16:21] Trustee Fast: I've just lost the, oh, there we go.

[4:16:23] Trustee Fast: Okay, Vicki.

[4:16:24] Trustee Fast: I

[4:16:25] Voice 10: have a question.

[4:16:26] Voice 10: The Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request

[4:16:29] Voice 10: that the APC provide recommendations

[4:16:30] Voice 10: for an official community plan

[4:16:32] Voice 10: of land use bylaw amendments,

[4:16:33] Voice 10: topic areas of focus,

[4:16:36] Voice 10: First Nations short-term vacation rentals housing

[4:16:38] Voice 10: and the riparian areas DPA.

[4:16:40] Voice 10: Is that

[4:16:41] Voice 10: as top priority number one,

[4:16:43] Voice 10: And you're not telling me what to do with that.

[4:16:47] Voice 10: They're requesting the APC provide recommendations, but just to the LTC,

[4:16:50] Voice 10: is that part of your top priorities? It

[4:16:54] Voice 10: doesn't say that.

[4:16:56] Trustee Fast: We haven't figured out where to put it yet. I think we're just on

[4:17:00] Trustee Fast: that.

[4:17:01] Voice 10: So this is

[4:17:02] Voice 10: just establishing a referral to the APC. That's right. Okay.

[4:17:06] Voice 10: I think so. All right.

[4:17:07] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Thank you. Just trying to get clear.

[4:17:10] Trustee Fast: Yeah, no, that's very helpful. Okay.

[4:17:12] Trustee Fast: So what I'm hearing then, trustees, is that we're going to leave number one over there, the comprehensive OCP review, on the top of the top priorities list?

[4:17:27] Trustee Allen: Yes, and then we're referring that to the APC as Heather said.

[4:17:32] Trustee Fast: And do we want to, what are we going to do with the recommendations of the APC received today?

[4:17:40] Trustee Fast: Do we want to add that somewhere?

[4:17:44] Trustee Fast: Do we want to put it on the projects list?

[4:17:46] Trustee Fast: I don't want to lose it well

[4:17:47] Trustee Scott: I think sorry

[4:17:49] Trustee Fast: in the scope of the

[4:17:50] Voice 13: project so maybe add it to the

[4:17:52] Voice 13: language of the description of that OCP project right that's what I

[4:17:56] Trustee Fast: was wondering yeah yeah so

[4:17:58] Trustee Scott: I guess I guess Vicki you could tag that at the end including the report of the I'm a little

[4:18:06] Voice 10: confused about where we're at so move that the local trust committee direct staff to place the

[4:18:10] Voice 10: recommendations of the apc received on march 26th and add it to the top priority list is that where

[4:18:17] Voice 10: we're at and then we're adding to that or no

[4:18:21] Voice 13: we're we're adding that language that you just said

[4:18:25] Voice 13: to that top priority um comprehensive ocp project so there's the description of it and it's being

[4:18:34] Voice 13: added to that so where would it be added at the end of it at the end because

[4:18:39] Trustee Fast: it could say um

[4:18:42] Trustee Fast: uh and an lub amendment and

[4:18:48] Voice 10: the riparian areas dpa and yeah that's what i was thinking

[4:18:56] Voice 10: and and then i'm sorry maybe it's zoom fatigue but i'm not having i'm not following a lower

[4:19:03] Voice 10: amendment and then if you could tell me again and add and um

[4:19:09] Trustee Fast: a land use bylaw amendment

[4:19:31] Voice 10: And this will be as top priority number one.

[4:19:35] Voice 10: So we're just leaving it as number one and adding verbiage to it.

[4:19:38] Voice 10: Yes.

[4:19:39] Voice 10: Thank you.

[4:19:40] Voice 10: Thank you.

[4:19:41] Trustee Fast: We all needed to have that in our heads.

[4:19:43] Trustee Fast: So thank you for that.

[4:19:45] Trustee Fast: And so, trustees, do we all understand?

[4:19:47] Trustee Fast: Would you like to read us the whole?

[4:19:50] Trustee Allen: No, she doesn't.

[4:19:52] Okay.

[4:19:53] Trustee Allen: That's why she's leaving Hornby. Now I get it.

[4:19:59] Voice 10: Although it's probably not a bad idea.

[4:20:01] Voice 10: Yeah.

[4:20:04] Voice 10: So move that the Hornby on the local trust committee would like a comprehensive official community plan amendment, wait a minute, to be prioritized by the regional planning team, topic areas of focus, First Nations, short-term vacation rentals, housing, and the riparian areas, DPA,

[4:20:22] Voice 10: and a RAR amendment oh no and add a land use bylaw amendment including the recommendations

[4:20:31] Voice 10: of the APC received on March 26 2021

[4:20:37] Trustee Fast: yeah okay I'm seeing some nodding yeah

[4:20:42] Voice 5: that's great and

[4:20:43] Trustee Fast: so we've basically added the APC recommendations to the number one that's at the top of our top

[4:20:51] Trustee Fast: priorities list and uh so we're lumping it as uh heather said and uh any more discussion

[4:20:59] Trustee Fast: have we moved and seconded that

[4:21:02] Trustee Allen: i'll

[4:21:03] Trustee Fast: move it i'll

[4:21:07] Trustee Allen: second thank

[4:21:09] Trustee Fast: you grant your move i'm in favor

[4:21:14] Trustee Scott: oh

[4:21:14] Trustee Fast: okay no more discussion uh i'll call the question all those in favor very good that

[4:21:21] Trustee Fast: passed unanimously thank you uh very good um thank you very much uh everybody and uh

[4:21:30] Trustee Fast: and thank you vicky for that uh excellent effort as you're the uh on your last hornby meeting my

[4:21:37] Trustee Fast: goodness yeah thank you thank you

[4:21:39] Trustee Scott: wendy thanks for hanging in there yes

[4:21:42] Trustee Fast: thank you wendy as well

[4:21:43] Trustee Fast: are we finishing is

[4:21:45] Trustee Scott: this what's going on

[4:21:46] Trustee Fast: we're coming up to the end because now we're at info

[4:21:49] Trustee Fast: items unless anybody wants to discuss anything on the projects list which is page 187 so these

[4:21:55] Trustee Fast: are things i'll read them for grant addressing climate change addressing housing needs

[4:21:59] Trustee Fast: implementation of coastal douglas for toolkit model cell tower consultation process lovely

[4:22:06] Trustee Scott: thank you we're

[4:22:08] Trustee Fast: going to leave them there

[4:22:08] Trustee Scott: absolutely i'm not seeing

[4:22:11] Trustee Scott: like there's anything

[4:22:12] Trustee Scott: anything i'm gonna crawl out you're

[4:22:17] Trustee Fast: so sensitive i'm getting cranky

[4:22:19] Trustee Fast: yeah god he needs his nap

[4:22:20] Trustee Fast: nap time i do okay i'm trying to i'm trying to wrap it up guys uh information items we're just

[4:22:26] Trustee Fast: we've referred to the first two the truth precedes reconciliation and the reconciliation report

[4:22:31] Trustee Fast: and then i've just got a news report dated from way back in january just about collaboration

[4:22:36] Trustee Fast: operation. And this idea of Bain Sound Forum and that kind of thing. Grant?

[4:22:43] Trustee Scott: Sue Ellen, I saw you with copies of those two docs, 14.1 and 14.2.

[4:22:51] Trustee Fast: These ones?

[4:22:52] Trustee Scott: Yes. Is it possible to get copies of those mailed to us?

[4:22:57] Trustee Fast: I will mail them to you. Do you want them too, Alex?

[4:23:00] Trustee Scott: No, it's okay. I've got a hard copy. I'm

[4:23:02] Trustee Fast: sorry, I don't have a hard copy.

[4:23:03] Trustee Scott: I've got a PDF.

[4:23:03] Trustee Scott: I would if you could mail them to me, please.

[4:23:05] Trustee Fast: I will do. Okay.

[4:23:06] Trustee Scott: Thank you.

[4:23:08] Trustee Fast: And anything else?

[4:23:09] Trustee Fast: We've got an upcoming meeting then scheduled.

[4:23:12] Trustee Fast: I

[4:23:12] Trustee Allen: want to talk about Vicky.

[4:23:14] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:23:15] Trustee Allen: I

[4:23:16] Trustee Fast: want to know why she's leaving.

[4:23:17] Trustee Fast: I

[4:23:17] Trustee Allen: have abandonment issues.

[4:23:18] Trustee Allen: She's still Demin.

[4:23:20] Trustee Allen: I don't get this.

[4:23:20] Trustee Allen: I want to know what the story is, really.

[4:23:22] Trustee Fast: I don't think

[4:23:23] Trustee Fast: she's under any risk.

[4:23:24] Trustee Fast: She doesn't have to tell us.

[4:23:26] Trustee Allen: No, she doesn't.

[4:23:27] Trustee Allen: You're on mute, Vicky.

[4:23:29] Trustee Fast: Unmute.

[4:23:29] Trustee Fast: Nothing personal.

[4:23:31] Trustee Allen: Yes, it is.

[4:23:31] Voice 10: Nothing personal.

[4:23:32] Voice 10: I just do get

[4:23:33] Voice 10: Zoom fatigue, and I do another island at the same time.

[4:23:36] Voice 10: and for now i think it's better for me just to stick to one i

[4:23:39] Trustee Allen: think you should have said no to

[4:23:40] Trustee Allen: dem and said yes to us we're more fun you never know what holds we

[4:23:45] Trustee Scott: want to thank

[4:23:46] Trustee Scott: you for your

[4:23:48] Trustee Scott: work thank you very much ben yes all the best and wherever you go from here thank

[4:23:54] Voice 10: you i need

[4:23:56] Trustee Allen: your home address and courtney i'm going to come and visit you i

[4:23:58] Voice 10: love that idea okay we'll do it

[4:24:00] Trustee Allen: privately all

[4:24:01] Voice 10: right thank you thank you so much

[4:24:05] Trustee Allen: vicky you'll be an excellent thank you and then

[4:24:07] Trustee Fast: uh to wrap up the meeting our next regular meeting is scheduled for may 21st that's a friday

[4:24:14] Trustee Fast: by zoom and uh thank you everybody who's hung in there with us on uh the zoom meeting or on live

[4:24:21] Trustee Fast: stream and uh you can always um uh if you've got any feedback about the meeting or questions about

[4:24:29] Trustee Fast: about it. You can contact northinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca. Pass along any, oops, now I'm not

[4:24:39] Trustee Fast: finding my speaker's notes here, but I did want to mention a couple things at the end.

[4:24:45] Trustee Fast: Yes, just that you can subscribe to email so that you get a link to the Zoom meeting and the agenda

[4:24:52] Trustee Fast: and everything ahead of time if you want to do that. And thanks everybody for your patience today.

[4:24:57] Trustee Fast: we got through a lot of work that was great uh very good and we made a lot of progress on the um

[4:25:03] Trustee Fast: uh on the mala um project as well i think very well done everybody and uh uh now i'm gonna

[4:25:11] Trustee Fast: adjourn the meeting heather thank you

[4:25:13] Trustee Scott: heather thank your staff for us yeah ditto

[4:25:17] Trustee Scott: and uh thank

[4:25:18] Trustee Scott: you chair fast as usual done a

[4:25:19] Trustee Scott: good job sue allen thank you thank

[4:25:22] Trustee Fast: you everybody whatever

[4:25:23] Trustee Scott: whatever

[4:25:25] Trustee Scott: whatever.

[4:25:26] Trustee Fast: Bye-bye Hornby. Until next time.