Gambier Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, April 1, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Island Local Trust Committee meeting of the Islands Trust and the Islands Trust you know

[0:00:05] Trustee Fast (probable): preserves and protects over 450 islands in the trust area and their surrounding waters

[0:00:12] Trustee Fast (probable): and here today we're dealing with the islands and the waters in Alkitsam, Howe Sound.

[0:00:19] Trustee Fast (probable): So I just would like to welcome everybody and acknowledge that we're meeting on and about

[0:00:26] Trustee Fast (probable): out digitally the traditional territories of the Squamish peoples and with respect for the

[0:00:35] Trustee Fast (probable): historic connections to the land and the waters and the spirit and the culture that continue to

[0:00:41] Trustee Fast (probable): this day. So I'm going to call the meeting to order and so I'd like to ask if there's anything

[0:00:52] Trustee Fast (probable): people oh just that we've got an agenda and uh and i wanted to do a whole bunch of introductions

[0:00:58] Trustee Fast (probable): before we start um i see i've lost my oh good heavens the zoom meeting has covered up my

[0:01:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): we we don't have any attendees at this point uh trustee fast um very

[0:01:14] Trustee Fast (probable): good i wonder if just for

[0:01:16] Trustee Fast (probable): For the recording, I'm going to zip through it then.

[0:01:19] Trustee Fast (probable): And we don't know if SCRD Director Mark Hiltz will join us, but if he does, we'll welcome him.

[0:01:26] Trustee Fast (probable): And otherwise, I'm Sue Ellen Fast.

[0:01:29] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm the chair of the local trust committee coming in from Bowen Island.

[0:01:33] Trustee Fast (probable): and I'd like to introduce um uh Dan Rogers if you just wave Kate Louise Stamford I'm Gambier

[0:01:42] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh various staff people who are here and you'll see them speak I just specifically want

[0:01:48] Trustee Fast (probable): to recognize um uh Heather Cower who's our regional planning manager she's the boss and

[0:01:53] Trustee Fast (probable): then uh Will Cottingham is the person running the meeting from her home because of COVID

[0:01:58] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you and uh island planner jamie dubenya you know wave there we go and uh marnie egan is with

[0:02:06] Trustee Fast (probable): us today part of the regional planning team and uh bronwyn sawyer is joining us too we've got a

[0:02:12] Trustee Fast (probable): bunch of people today this is wonderful and in the background is diane corbett and she's our

[0:02:17] Trustee Fast (probable): professional minute taker making sure that the uh everything decisions are captured so thank you

[0:02:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Diane and we're gonna move on now to the let's see I'm not gonna mention all the

[0:02:31] Trustee Fast (probable): stuff about the digital hands I'll do that when it's when it's time and we're

[0:02:36] Trustee Fast (probable): just going to move into the making sure I'm not missing anything important no

[0:02:43] Trustee Fast (probable): because we have no attendees at the moment so we'll just go on okay so I'm

[0:02:48] Trustee Fast (probable): going to call well I'm gonna ask for approval of the agenda do we have

[0:02:52] Trustee Fast (probable): anything we want to add to the agenda yes

[0:02:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay um first of all i just want to note that um

[0:03:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): in the package number 15 information items i i didn't see a copy of 15.1.2.3 i'm not sure if

[0:03:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): they're actually supposed to be in there or if it was just an acknowledgement that they exist

[0:03:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): but i would like to know more about the news release dated january 21st

[0:03:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): sure

[0:03:21] Trustee Fast (probable): they're in the revised agenda there was okay these

[0:03:26] Trustee Fast (probable): things got added uh trustee rogers caught

[0:03:28] Trustee Fast (probable): that and um so they're all in the version two is what it's called in uh in web dav and um so they

[0:03:37] Trustee Fast (probable): are there okay and uh

[0:03:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): a late item i'd like to uh insert is a um a piece of correspondence

[0:03:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): on it from forest lands resources and rural development to the local Gambier Island

[0:03:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): community association that I received yesterday. I'm not sure where to put it, but I just would

[0:04:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): like some advice on how we can move forward. There's a particular area of confusion as to

[0:04:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): to what it means, and it's around applications

[0:04:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): and the possibility of a second application

[0:04:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): involving the New Brighton Dock.

[0:04:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): So under correspondence or under new business?

[0:04:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Let's put it under correspondence

[0:04:30] Trustee Fast (probable): because it's clearly a letter.

[0:04:32] Trustee Fast (probable): And then we can, 10.1 is what I penciled it in for.

[0:04:37] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, good.

[0:04:39] Trustee Fast (probable): So we've got

[0:04:39] Trustee Fast (probable): that in and I circulated it

[0:04:41] Trustee Fast (probable): to Heather and Diane and Jamie just before the meeting.

[0:04:44] Trustee Fast (probable): so they know what we're talking about when we come to that and um apologies for anybody

[0:04:51] Trustee Fast (probable): watching the recording or they i see we've got an attendee now um um you can always contact

[0:04:57] Trustee Fast (probable): uh kate louise stamford um to find out what's going on or your uh or dan rogers depending on

[0:05:04] Trustee Fast (probable): who which island you live on and who you're connected through email with and all that kind

[0:05:08] Trustee Fast (probable): of thing okay uh any other additions to the agenda okay then by consent can we adopt the agenda

[0:05:17] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm not seeing any concerns so let's consider that adopted i'm putting a check mark there

[0:05:23] Trustee Fast (probable): um i want to do a rise and report um at uh february 3rd i think it was february 4th

[0:05:31] Trustee Fast (probable): february 4th sorry um we had a closed meeting of uh the local press committee and um we made it we

[0:05:39] Trustee Fast (probable): We passed a motion about the wood lot number 0039 on Crown land.

[0:05:45] Trustee Fast (probable): And so that's just for the record.

[0:05:49] Trustee Fast (probable): And then we're going to move on now to trustee reports.

[0:05:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Who would like to start?

[0:05:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Kate Louise?

[0:05:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Sure.

[0:05:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): Most of the work I've done between these past two meetings has been

[0:06:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): federation level activities.

[0:06:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): I've been quite active with the regional planning committee.

[0:06:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): We are reviewing land development fees and also working with staff on their planning department review.

[0:06:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): I was also nominated to participate on the Islands Trust Water Sustainability Strategy Advisory Roundtable.

[0:06:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): And this is a diverse group of island interests from across the Federation.

[0:06:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): and we've met once and we've got more several more meetings plugged in and the purpose of these

[0:06:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): is to develop approaches that better protect fresh water on the islands and inform land use

[0:06:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): planning as well as educational resources for local communities. I'm also a member of the

[0:06:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): financial planning committee along with the other two trustees here today who are executive members

[0:07:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): um and as the financial committee presented a final proposed budget to the trust council

[0:07:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): in uh on march 10th i think um and for consideration it was passed by the council

[0:07:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): um attended trust council um i will speak to the activities of the islands trust conservancy later

[0:07:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): on in the meeting. I attended a very informative update on the Cumulative Effects Assessment

[0:07:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): Pilot Project that was presented by Flynnrode, Forestry, Lands, Resources and Rural Development

[0:07:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): staff. I think Plana Dubina also attended with me and we learned about Stewardship Baseline

[0:07:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): objective tools or s-bots um and a really good database that's coming online hoping to see the

[0:07:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): forestry portion of it come up because i think that will be useful at a local level

[0:08:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): also attended the ocean watch action committee uh and a presentation on west vancouver's coastal

[0:08:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): marine management plan uh locally there's been a lot of activity again around the the forestry

[0:08:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): and our crown land on the island specifically around old old growth tree and stream protection

[0:08:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): development on my particular island continues to move extremely fast

[0:08:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): real estate is beyond hot we've got private sales going on above asking it's it's

[0:08:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's land is going, land and homes are going in hours.

[0:08:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): The recent wind storms have brought down several stands of trees, and there seems to be a real move anecdotally among landowners to cut trees because of concerns over safety.

[0:09:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): The Gambier Island Community Association, New Brighton Dock Committee met with the SCRD

[0:09:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): Area Director Mark Hiltz, as well as his alternate, Gambier Islander Camilla Berry, to understand

[0:09:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): taxation through the Regional District and how it could relate to further potential funding

[0:09:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): opportunity for New Brighton Dock.

[0:09:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): We also were hoping to find out more about where the regional district is on their relationship building with the Squamish Nation Marine Group and the possibility of moving forward with a long-term resolution to our new Brighton Dock concerns.

[0:09:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that's about it.

[0:09:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you very much,

[0:09:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Kate Louise. That's about it. That's a lot. Go ahead, Dan Rogers.

[0:09:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Greetings

[0:09:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): to all and I want to just acknowledge, of course, that our Gambier local trust area not

[0:10:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): only covers the traditional territories of Squamish but also up the coast to the traditional

[0:10:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): territories of the Sechelt Nation and the areas up as far north as North Thornby and all of those

[0:10:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): areas as well. And I'm blessed and privileged to be able to live on Lek Tynes on Keats Island.

[0:10:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm actually in Vancouver today because we continue to have challenges in some parts of our area with connectivity.

[0:10:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I know that Trustee Stamford's in Gibson's rather than in her home for the same reason.

[0:10:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we're pleased and happy to do that.

[0:10:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's been a busy two months, even though we haven't seen our own local trust area committee as a committee since February the 4th.

[0:10:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): Just a few activities that we've been doing.

[0:10:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): one is I sit on the trust programs committee which is the committee that is overseeing the

[0:11:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): review amongst many other things overseeing the review of the trust policy statement which is

[0:11:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): like the large governing document for the organization I've had at least two meetings

[0:11:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): of that organization that group since our last meeting it the work that they're doing led to a

[0:11:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm going to say a day long, but actually turned out to be more like a day and a half long

[0:11:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): discussion slash debate slash decisions around the scope of our trust policy statement and what

[0:11:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): work we can and when we will and will not do. I must admit I was a part of the length of that

[0:11:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): debate because I had put a number of motions on the table to indicate that communities were also

[0:11:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): part of our mandate in addition to the environment and the Press Council made an important decision

[0:12:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): to include cultural heritage as part of the unique amenities that we're mandated to preserve

[0:12:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): and protect. I now think of it as sort of the three legs of our stool is that the environment,

[0:12:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): communities and cultural heritage and reconciliation are the three focuses of our

[0:12:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): organization we do many other things but that's where that's one

[0:12:26] Voice 1: of the decisions

[0:12:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): that we made

[0:12:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): after lengthy debate at um at press council um i also sit on the financial planning we passed the

[0:12:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): budget uh we there's been some emails out about what it looks like i want to thank the members

[0:12:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): members of the Gambia local trust area,

[0:12:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): we were specifically noted as having the highest return

[0:12:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): after salt spring of the survey to the trust.

[0:12:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think it was a trust policy statement review

[0:12:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): or was it the budget?

[0:12:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): It was the budget.

[0:12:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think, yeah.

[0:13:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, so thank you all for,

[0:13:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you're watching this live

[0:13:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): or watching a recording of it

[0:13:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): for your engagement with the work that the trust does whether you whether you are appreciative of

[0:13:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): it or providing us with alternative points of view we appreciate your engagement um so a few

[0:13:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): other things that occurred uh because i sit on the executive uh we had a meeting with bowen island on

[0:13:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): march the sorry on february the 23rd the executive met with both the council of bowen island for

[0:13:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): for about an hour and three quarters.

[0:13:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): It was a good discussion about what's going on,

[0:13:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): what we can do in common and how we can work together.

[0:13:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): If you're not aware Bowen Island

[0:13:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): is part of the Island's Trust.

[0:13:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Fast is a Councillor on Bowen Island

[0:13:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we two Councillors, Trustee Cahill is the other one.

[0:13:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so they are the only municipality,

[0:14:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): incorporated municipality within the Islands Trust.

[0:14:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): So they have a different relationship to the trust

[0:14:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): than other organizations.

[0:14:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): So the trust does not do their land use planning.

[0:14:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): They do their own,

[0:14:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): but they participate in a lot of the programs.

[0:14:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): We had a good, healthy discussion.

[0:14:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's been a discussion going on yearly, annually,

[0:14:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): regarding their assessment and other issues

[0:14:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): and how we can work together.

[0:14:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): other. Trustee Stamford and I had a meeting with the communications person, a new communications

[0:14:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): person on the Sunshine Coast Regional District. It was a very good conversation and we made the

[0:14:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): point again that it's important to consult islanders regarding issues that affect islanders

[0:14:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that we were a good conduit to the communities on the islands and asked them to continue to keep

[0:14:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): us in the loop around budget around other issues um and that seemed to be a message that was well

[0:15:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): received however i would say that since then we've had no communication so um other than of course

[0:15:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): regional director hilts has answered a few questions that i've asked etc um so there still

[0:15:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): is not in my view a culture reaching out in a way that i would like to see there's been a few

[0:15:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): decisions that the regional district is working on that while they responded when I became aware

[0:15:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): of them there was no outreach beginning of them so and one of those is in terms of they're

[0:15:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): developing a community wildfire protection plan they got a grant the SCRD got a grant to do that

[0:15:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that plan was intended to cover off Gambier Cates and the Thornby Islands.

[0:15:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): I learned only because I asked that they had decided that they would not be funded to come

[0:15:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): and actually do on the ground, boots on the ground, work on our islands,

[0:16:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): but that they have now assured me that we will indeed be covered by the scope of the plan in any case.

[0:16:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): However, that required me to reach out to the SCRD rather than the other way around.

[0:16:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): As well, I was very privileged to have a meeting on February the 25th with representatives of the review group of the Squamish Nation.

[0:16:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): in terms of these, some of the staff and representatives

[0:16:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): that do the referral work as we start to develop

[0:16:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): our relationship with the reclamation station.

[0:16:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): They were, we were talking specifically

[0:16:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): about the Keats shoreline project and the referral on that,

[0:16:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): but it became a more general discussion

[0:16:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): around how referrals will work

[0:16:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): and how they will be going forward.

[0:16:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): And it was, I thought a very good discussion.

[0:16:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): They were extremely interested, the representatives that we talked to, in actually having referrals on projects and planning rather than just on applications.

[0:17:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): They often see a lot of applications that get referred to them where the development is already planned in advance and then gets referred to them.

[0:17:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): and so they were very excited to perhaps to be involved in a and we'll talk about that a little

[0:17:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): bit later uh a referral on a larger scale plan about what the what it will look like so that

[0:17:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): was a very good meeting and thanks to the senior environmental policy advisor uh lisa wilcox for

[0:17:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): setting that up and uh heather power was there with us as well i can't remember if jamie was

[0:17:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): there but um it was a good i thought it was a very good and healthy discussion um i also um

[0:17:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): as the representative of the trust was one of the two trustees on what was called a virtual

[0:17:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): town hall to do with the trust policy statement review. This was an evening session where

[0:18:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): it was a presentation about where we're at in the trust policy statement, and then a question and

[0:18:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): answer format. I was there with the chair of the Trust Policy Programs Committee, Deb Morrison from

[0:18:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): North Tender, as well as Lisa Wilcox, and we went for a couple hours. There were over 100 attendees

[0:18:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): at that event. It was well received, I think. What else? We, of course, had Trust Council,

[0:18:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): which was extremely long, but we passed a budget and we passed the motions related to the Trust

[0:18:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): Health Policy Statement. I also participated in a C2C meeting related to the two or three

[0:18:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): different First Nations and Salt Spring because I'm the alternate chair. It's interesting to hear

[0:18:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): those discussions and the various different, it was the Comox and some folks from the Masonic

[0:19:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): leadership council uh the different um uh perspectives on where we're at and how we're

[0:19:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): doing in terms of our our um uh our engagement with first nations and we're we're trying it's

[0:19:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): you know we stumble occasionally and we try um i was also uh part of a meeting with the

[0:19:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): ministry of um uh with the minister of municipal affairs and some senior staff and the chair of

[0:19:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the trust on the 18th of March,

[0:19:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): where we were discussing this trust formal request

[0:19:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): for authority over tree cutting bylaws.

[0:19:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that was an extremely, we were well received

[0:19:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): and it was important for us to explain

[0:19:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): why that might be important

[0:19:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that it would be different

[0:19:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): and it would play out on a local level,

[0:19:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): how that would work.

[0:19:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): So in addition, I've been working

[0:19:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): with the somewhat fledgling Keats Conservation Group

[0:19:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I call them fledgling

[0:20:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): because they've restarted again in the last four or five months and they've been meeting monthly

[0:20:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that's great we've had we've had

[0:20:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): a number of the involvement of the we've been lucky to have

[0:20:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): the involvement of Ruth Simons in the in our meetings to date and she's been assisting both

[0:20:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): with connectivity and with and with the and with advice and with the renewed website there's people

[0:20:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): seem quite keen to work on a variety of issues we've uh including um ecosystem protection and

[0:20:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): access to lands and um and some invasive species work as well as doing some education i mean it's

[0:20:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): still early days we'll see how that goes but we've been meeting and they've managed to hook them into

[0:20:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): the sunshine coast uh can you still hear me it says my internet is unstable thanks um uh

[0:20:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): the Sunshine Coast Conservation Association.

[0:21:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): And there's been some discussion about how,

[0:21:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): because they're going to be the covenant holder on Sandy Beach on Keats Island,

[0:21:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): that they will try and work some of the Keats folks into the monitoring group

[0:21:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's involved in that. So that's all really exciting and good news.

[0:21:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I just want to say that because we won't meet before it,

[0:21:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): that the How Sound Forum is on April the 23rd.

[0:21:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): third uh and i know all three of us will be attending that i believe unless somebody has

[0:21:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): a conflict because we are always all three of us are always there um and it looks again like a good

[0:21:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): agenda that ruth simons and her team has put uh the biosphere has put together how's that

[0:21:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that all well i could do i could go on about my local trust committees on main galley and

[0:21:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): on

[0:21:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): gabriela but i won't i won't uh uh those are the sort of stuff that relates to this area

[0:21:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh things i i'm quite pleased thanks thank

[0:22:02] Trustee Fast (probable): you trustee rogers and uh i'm going to be a little

[0:22:04] Trustee Fast (probable): briefer um as dan mentioned uh we met with uh bowen i had this funny situation where i was

[0:22:12] Trustee Fast (probable): both on the Bowen as a Bowen councillor and as a local as a Islands Trust vice chair so I had two

[0:22:20] Trustee Fast (probable): hats on at the joint meeting I'm a member of the Bowen Island Municipal Council and also another

[0:22:25] Trustee Fast (probable): vice chair so for this local trust committee you actually have some of the leadership of the

[0:22:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Islands Trust really because Dan and I are both vice chairs and Kate Louise of course is the chair

[0:22:37] Trustee Fast (probable): of the islands trust conservancy uh one of the main arms of the islands trust so um i'll just

[0:22:44] Trustee Fast (probable): be brief here i wanted to mention uh dan spoke about the policy statement and uh just in case

[0:22:51] Trustee Fast (probable): you're wondering what those dry words mean it's like the ocp as an umbrella for all the island

[0:22:59] Trustee Fast (probable): and OCPs from Bowens and Gambiers and Keats and so it changes to that could affect changes to local

[0:23:09] Trustee Fast (probable): OCPs and planning practices so that's why if you've got something to say it's great to get

[0:23:15] Trustee Fast (probable): your input. I wanted to mention Dan spoke about reconciliation and later in the agenda 15.1 and

[0:23:24] Trustee Fast (probable): And 15.2, I've attached those.

[0:23:26] Trustee Fast (probable): So they're in the version two of the agenda.

[0:23:29] Trustee Fast (probable): If you want to see the reports that were included

[0:23:32] Trustee Fast (probable): in the Trust Council agenda,

[0:23:34] Trustee Fast (probable): truth precedes reconciliation.

[0:23:36] Trustee Fast (probable): And the first of hopefully many reconciliation reports

[0:23:41] Trustee Fast (probable): on the work that the Islands Trust

[0:23:42] Trustee Fast (probable): is doing towards reconciliation.

[0:23:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Trust Council, the highlights are available

[0:23:49] Trustee Fast (probable): at the islandstrust.bc.ca website.

[0:23:52] Trustee Fast (probable): website so you can see what your trustees will be working on, really, because we also

[0:24:00] Trustee Fast (probable): passed a budget. So some things like governance and management review, eelgrass mapping, stewardship

[0:24:06] Trustee Fast (probable): education, climate criteria, that kind of thing are included in the information. If

[0:24:11] Trustee Fast (probable): you want to keep up to date, you can sign up for those emails online. And I won't do

[0:24:15] Trustee Fast (probable): any more about that kind of material except to point out 15.3 that Kate Louise was wondering

[0:24:21] Trustee Fast (probable): bring on our agenda the um collaboration uh press release is back from january 21st so you haven't

[0:24:28] Trustee Fast (probable): missed anything kate louise i just wanted to include it so everybody could see that islands

[0:24:33] Trustee Fast (probable): trust is helping to support the how sound forum um and uh through what uh three thousand eight

[0:24:41] Trustee Fast (probable): hundred dollars this year and the budget was carried forward so we'll be continuing to do that

[0:24:46] Trustee Fast (probable): and the Howe Sound Forum has been a model for Bains Sound Forum up around Hornby and Denman

[0:24:53] Trustee Fast (probable): and now a newer group in the southern Gulf Islands and the Coastal Douglas for Conservation

[0:25:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Partnership so you can read about that in there and I just wanted to the last thing I wanted to

[0:25:07] Trustee Fast (probable): mention no I won't bother with that we'll just move on so I don't think Mark Hills has joined us

[0:25:15] Trustee Fast (probable): i don't see him so we'll just move on uh today he has joined us for some meetings it's one of

[0:25:22] Trustee Fast (probable): the advantages of zoom is uh we've actually had more go ahead kate louise um

[0:25:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm not representing

[0:25:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): the srd at all but i think it's just worth noting that i heard yesterday they did pass their budget

[0:25:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): and um unless it changed significantly which i don't think it did um the islands at least the

[0:25:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): the Area F Islands are looking at almost 20% tax increase

[0:25:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): for their SCRD portion of their yearly rural property tax.

[0:25:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Kate Louise, or Trustee Stamford, I should say.

[0:26:00] Trustee Fast (probable): And I wonder if that reflects some of the real estate being beyond hot.

[0:26:06] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to quote you here, no?

[0:26:08] Trustee Fast (probable): No, it's got

[0:26:09] Trustee Fast (probable): nothing to do with that.

[0:26:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): But anyway,

[0:26:12] Trustee Fast (probable): they've got their challenges, so.

[0:26:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, and that's not on our agenda, so I'll move on.

[0:26:18] Trustee Fast (probable): We've got no delegations today.

[0:26:19] Trustee Fast (probable): And so let's go into our town hall session.

[0:26:22] Trustee Fast (probable): And this is a chance for participants to put up their hand.

[0:26:28] Trustee Fast (probable): I see somebody's already done that.

[0:26:29] Trustee Fast (probable): And put up your digital hand if you're joining that way.

[0:26:32] Trustee Fast (probable): If you're on a phone, it's star nine.

[0:26:34] Trustee Fast (probable): And we'll give you a couple of minutes to speak to us trustees, please.

[0:26:39] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh let us know about things that you think we should know about or um whatever you need to say

[0:26:45] Trustee Fast (probable): uh here's your chance to speak to your local trustees and i see n phillips has got his hand

[0:26:50] Trustee Fast (probable): up there and i think now that you are permitted to speak so um could you confirm your full name

[0:26:57] Trustee Fast (probable): and yes

[0:26:58] Voice 1: i'm in christopher phillips or chris phillips really property owner on uh keats island

[0:27:03] Voice 1: in plumper cove i've just got a couple of minutes because i've got another meeting at 11

[0:27:08] Voice 1: I wanted to make a couple of, I wanted to briefly mention the, what was it, Torgerson situation on Gambier, which was discussed at a previous meeting.

[0:27:19] Voice 1: Basically, there is a tendency towards some version of gentrification in the islands.

[0:27:26] Voice 1: And I think that the Trust Council should be very careful to avoid doing things which promote that.

[0:27:35] Voice 1: at. For example, one of the things which was said at the meeting where this was discussed was, I mean,

[0:27:42] Voice 1: they want to increase slightly the size of one of their three structures, and supposedly they're

[0:27:46] Voice 1: only allowed to have one according to current zoning. Well, it would apparently be okay under

[0:27:51] Voice 1: current rules to tear down all three structures and put up a single new one with a larger footprint

[0:27:59] Voice 1: than all three existing ones combined,

[0:28:01] Voice 1: even with the addition.

[0:28:05] Voice 1: And so this kind of,

[0:28:07] Voice 1: and this is something that they probably

[0:28:10] Voice 1: don't have the means to do,

[0:28:11] Voice 1: but somebody else with a lot more money

[0:28:15] Voice 1: who bought their property would.

[0:28:17] Voice 1: And so this seems to me to be creating pressure

[0:28:19] Voice 1: to towards gentrification,

[0:28:23] Voice 1: which I think should really be avoided.

[0:28:26] Voice 1: So I hope some solution can be found.

[0:28:30] Voice 1: But on to the other stuff which I had, which is really about the Keats Island shoreline protection

[0:28:35] Voice 1: thing. There are a couple of comments, things I saw in it. One was about docks only suggested

[0:28:43] Voice 1: to be allowed to extend 30 meters from the natural boundary of the sea in front of my cabin and other

[0:28:52] Voice 1: places in Plumper Cove and probably elsewhere in the island as well. I don't think it's unique.

[0:28:57] Voice 1: peak 30 meters from the natural boundary of the sea doesn't even get you to the low tide line

[0:29:02] Voice 1: at the June new moon tides when floats aren't allowed to land on the ground that means no docks

[0:29:12] Voice 1: and so you need to measure from the low tide line not the natural boundary of the sea

[0:29:27] Voice 1: the current draft appears I can't really be sure to require a permit to cut down even one

[0:29:33] Voice 1: native tree in the region that's covered this seems really excessive and

[0:29:41] Voice 1: it also seems to prohibit the maintenance of a say a cedar hedge or even a rough cedar hedge

[0:29:49] Voice 1: um uh we have that in front of our house uh the trees were planted by my grandfather

[0:30:00] Voice 1: the intention of keeping them from getting more than about 10 or 12 or 14 feet high regularly,

[0:30:08] Voice 1: so they have to be very regularly topped. There weren't trees there when we got the place.

[0:30:16] Voice 1: Everything had been cut down and the rules about pruning and so on appear to prevent us from

[0:30:26] Voice 1: from keeping those things topped and in particular,

[0:30:29] Voice 1: then destroying our view.

[0:30:30] Voice 1: And again, we're not unique, I mean, in this respect.

[0:30:37] Voice 1: And yes, the last thing I wanted to mention

[0:30:39] Voice 1: was the accommodation of small pleasure craft.

[0:30:42] Voice 1: I'm not quite sure what small means,

[0:30:45] Voice 1: but we've, I mean, this doesn't apply to us,

[0:30:47] Voice 1: but we've got neighbors who have pleasure craft

[0:30:50] Voice 1: on the order of 10 to 12 meters or something like this,

[0:30:53] Voice 1: and who also have say overnight or several day visitors who come in such craft and so

[0:31:02] Voice 1: they need to have docks which are large enough to accommodate them i don't know whether that's

[0:31:08] Voice 1: still considered small but if not then i think that's a problem thank

[0:31:18] Trustee Fast (probable): you very much chris are

[0:31:19] Trustee Fast (probable): you finished now i've got a question from uh trustee rogers oh

[0:31:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): just just to tell mr phillips

[0:31:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you i i i did forward all your two emails off to the rest of the local trust committee so

[0:31:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes okay thanks

[0:31:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you for your attention to some of the details this is all part of working

[0:31:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): through the development permit yes

[0:31:37] Voice 1: okay now i have to run to my other meeting so thank you

[0:31:40] Voice 1: okay

[0:31:40] Trustee Fast (probable): um are there anybody else who wishes to speak in town hall i don't see anybody else there

[0:31:51] Trustee Fast (probable): except becky hi becky staff person and um so then i'm going to uh i

[0:31:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): can't um trustee fast i'm just

[0:32:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): having to move around for power concerns so i'm listening okay

[0:32:06] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you because you did disappear

[0:32:08] Trustee Fast (probable): i was yeah but i'm i'm checking you on the panelists list i see you're still with us

[0:32:14] Trustee Fast (probable): okay so we're going to move on now to um thank you everybody for uh that was the town hall

[0:32:20] Trustee Fast (probable): all we're going to go on to the exciting portion of the meeting which is adoption of minutes so

[0:32:26] Trustee Fast (probable): we've got um uh page four on your agenda package is where this starts oops i'm way down in the

[0:32:34] Trustee Fast (probable): info items and um i'm waiting for kate louise to come back and join us too i can hear

[0:32:40] Trustee Fast (probable): you go ahead

[0:32:41] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm just okay okay and then uh i'm wondering if anybody has any changes to our minutes draft

[0:32:49] Trustee Fast (probable): minutes in front of us for adoption from february 4th i'm seeing dan shaking his head i

[0:32:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): did not find

[0:32:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): any any changes then

[0:32:59] Trustee Fast (probable): by general consent i'm going to put a check mark and say that those minutes are

[0:33:03] Trustee Fast (probable): adopted um oh there's kate louise is back with us on the video and uh and then we had the public

[0:33:11] Trustee Fast (probable): hearing record that same day. Page 14 of our package today and that was an interesting one

[0:33:22] Trustee Fast (probable): in that there were no comments from the public. Okay with you guys if we trustees shall we adopt

[0:33:29] Trustee Fast (probable): these by consent? The public hearing minutes seeing nodding seeing no excitement there okay

[0:33:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. And resolutions without meeting. This is page 16. We passed a, yes, we passed a resolution

[0:33:51] Trustee Fast (probable): by email because this is the one who came back to us from executive committee. We've been through

[0:33:58] Trustee Fast (probable): the whole public process. This was the very final, final step after it had been approved by

[0:34:05] Trustee Fast (probable): executive committee and so we just approved it by email voting which is

[0:34:13] Trustee Fast (probable): still very formal process just so everybody knows and you're welcome to

[0:34:17] Trustee Fast (probable): contact staff to find out about that if you're curious and then advisory planning

[0:34:26] Trustee Fast (probable): committing Commission minutes none and then we're into the follow-up action

[0:34:31] Trustee Fast (probable): list starting on page 17 this is where uh trustees can talk to staff and staff can talk to trustees

[0:34:37] Trustee Fast (probable): about um work in progress and uh what's been happening so trustees have you got any questions

[0:34:44] Trustee Fast (probable): for the regional planning manager for the island planner jamie who's joined us no no not me okay

[0:34:53] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm not seeing anything okay so we're going to move on thank you jamie and uh we're going on to

[0:34:59] Trustee Fast (probable): our first application that's in front of us today this is uh page 21 is where the um torgerson uh

[0:35:08] Trustee Fast (probable): 1040 take it easy road is that how i say it take it easy

[0:35:13] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah take it easy okay uh page 21

[0:35:15] Trustee Fast (probable): so we've got a memo here um and uh go ahead bronwyn sawyer planner sawyer is with us today

[0:35:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh madam chair

[0:35:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just just curious um i i don't see the applicant here they were here the last

[0:35:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just wondered if the planner knew whether they were, because it's listed at starting at 11.20, whether they were planning to be here.

[0:35:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): Did you know, Planner Sawyer?

[0:35:38] Voice 7: Yes, thanks for checking on that.

[0:35:40] Voice 7: I just gave the applicant a telephone call, and she was planning to speak to the application.

[0:35:49] Voice 7: So I don't know, yeah, she was expecting to come on at 11.20, so I don't know if she's just expecting to sort of be calling in exactly at that time.

[0:35:58] Voice 7: height very good point okay well thank you um

[0:36:01] Trustee Fast (probable): then do we want to shift and talk about another

[0:36:05] Trustee Fast (probable): 9.1 or two or three who's ready to

[0:36:09] Trustee Fast (probable): speak um at the other side let's let's move ahead um

[0:36:17] Trustee Fast (probable): gambier official community plan review do you think that'll take 10 20 minutes kate louise

[0:36:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Would you be interested in speaking to that now?

[0:36:29] Trustee Fast (probable): I see Marnie is with us.

[0:36:30] Trustee Fast (probable): So let's move to 9.1.

[0:36:32] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm seeing some nodding.

[0:36:33] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you.

[0:36:34] Trustee Fast (probable): And we're going to skip ahead then to page 36 of our agenda.

[0:36:39] Trustee Fast (probable): And we have Planner Egan with us for this one.

[0:36:43] Trustee Fast (probable): And thank you, Trustee Rogers, for pointing that out.

[0:36:48] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'll just find my page.

[0:36:51] Trustee Fast (probable): There we go.

[0:36:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, take it away, Planner Egan.

[0:36:54] Planner Eggen (probable): Thank you, Chair Fast.

[0:36:57] Planner Eggen (probable): I'll start off introducing the staff report and then I'll pass it over to

[0:37:02] Planner Eggen (probable): regional planning manager Cower for further for further details and I'm just

[0:37:08] Planner Eggen (probable): hoping that she's listening in now and knows that we've kind of jumped ahead in

[0:37:13] Planner Eggen (probable): the agenda I'll

[0:37:18] Trustee Fast (probable): send her an email okay

[0:37:19] Planner Eggen (probable): otherwise I'm happy to move forward with

[0:37:24] Planner Eggen (probable): the staff report that follows this one with respect to wrapper and

[0:37:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): may I just

[0:37:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): suggest madam chair I'm going to guess the wrapper one is going to be quicker

[0:37:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): and yeah it might be easier to do it and then come back to this one because we

[0:37:43] Trustee Fast (probable): want to have the right people with us in the room yes and

[0:37:46] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm only seeing the one

[0:37:47] Trustee Fast (probable): attendee that's still Becky hello Becky and so let's go ahead with wrapper so

[0:37:51] Trustee Fast (probable): So we're going to do, this is 9.2 on the agenda, starting on page 42.

[0:37:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Is that correct?

[0:38:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[0:38:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Very good.

[0:38:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[0:38:04] Trustee Fast (probable): So starting on this agenda item 9.2, go ahead.

[0:38:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Great.

[0:38:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:38:10] Planner Eggen (probable): So this report provides a summary update of agency and First Nation referral responses

[0:38:17] Planner Eggen (probable): on the bylaws that were sent out for the riparian areas protection implementation

[0:38:25] Planner Eggen (probable): project for anvil Boyer and so Thornberry and so staff will be

[0:38:32] Planner Eggen (probable): providing a summary of responses that have been received so far there's only

[0:38:38] Planner Eggen (probable): been two the staff in this staff report are also recommending minor amendments

[0:38:43] Planner Eggen (probable): minutes to the bylaws and that the bylaws receive second reading and that

[0:38:48] Planner Eggen (probable): we move on to organizing a community information meeting and public hearing

[0:38:54] Planner Eggen (probable): and that we send out guides to the proposed bylaws to be distributed to the

[0:39:00] Planner Eggen (probable): property owners of Anvil Boyer and South Thornby Islands and so in terms of the

[0:39:07] Planner Eggen (probable): responses that we've received so far we've received two one was from the

[0:39:13] Planner Eggen (probable): the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, and they responded with their interests are

[0:39:18] Planner Eggen (probable): not affected. And we've also received recently a response from Squamish First Nation who

[0:39:27] Planner Eggen (probable): let us know that they have no concerns. They were speaking specifically to just one of

[0:39:32] Planner Eggen (probable): the bylaws that we provided to them, 147, so we expect that we might be hearing from

[0:39:38] Planner Eggen (probable): them soon on the other two bylaws 145 and 146 i suspect it might be the same type of response

[0:39:45] Planner Eggen (probable): that they will have no concerns so in terms of the changes to the bylaws there's just a couple

[0:39:54] Planner Eggen (probable): of minor changes just addressing formatting and minor typos some necessary rewording to

[0:40:00] Planner Eggen (probable): better align with the riparian areas protection regulation and you'll find a clean version with

[0:40:09] Planner Eggen (probable): the revisions that staff are recommending in the attachments along with a track changes version

[0:40:16] Planner Eggen (probable): of the bylaws and those were recently revised because I understand that the track changes were

[0:40:23] Planner Eggen (probable): not showing up but now they are in the revised agenda and staff have also prepared two guides

[0:40:32] Planner Eggen (probable): two separate guides one specifically for boyer and one specifically for anvil and south formanby

[0:40:39] Planner Eggen (probable): islands and the intent of that those guides is to provide a bit of a plain language summary

[0:40:45] Planner Eggen (probable): of the bylaw amendments and um in advance of the of a community information meeting and a public

[0:40:52] Planner Eggen (probable): and public hearing and staff are suggesting that we send those out by mail directly to the affected property owners and in terms of the community information meeting and public hearing staff are recommending that

[0:41:10] Planner Eggen (probable): a community information meeting be held end of April mid-May before a public hearing which

[0:41:20] Planner Eggen (probable): could be scheduled during the May 27th regular business meeting of the LTC and the LTC can

[0:41:27] Planner Eggen (probable): provide preference for alternative dates and and times for those okay

[0:41:35] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you very much planner

[0:41:37] Trustee Fast (probable): Senator Egan, questions for the planner, trustees?

[0:41:41] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead, Trustee Rogers.

[0:41:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you for this report and for the work on this.

[0:41:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Two things I have, I wondered what,

[0:41:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank, and I, for the mail outs

[0:41:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): or the whatever you're calling them,

[0:41:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): the information sheets,

[0:41:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just noted that on the second one,

[0:42:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): the one related to Anvil and South Thornby,

[0:42:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): be there's a map for Anvil but not for South Thornby and I just wondered why that choice was

[0:42:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): made

[0:42:12] Planner Eggen (probable): sure the the reason why Anvil the Anvil map is put in there is because a new development

[0:42:23] Planner Eggen (probable): permit is being proposed with the bylaws with respect to the non-wrapper or the stream side

[0:42:32] Planner Eggen (probable): development permit area is being introduced for anvil so that was something that was uh yeah so

[0:42:41] Planner Eggen (probable): the map is put in there to provide information to the anvil landowners that that's where the new

[0:42:49] Planner Eggen (probable): development permit area is being proposed and in terms of south thormanby we're really just

[0:42:56] Planner Eggen (probable): just updating their riparian areas protection regulation development permit area language.

[0:43:04] Planner Eggen (probable): So on South Thormanby there is an existing development permit area one for riparian areas

[0:43:12] Planner Eggen (probable): which speaks to the provincial riparian area protection regulation which is already in

[0:43:21] Planner Eggen (probable): place and with the proposed bylaw amendments all we're doing with respect to the south thorman bees

[0:43:28] Planner Eggen (probable): is just updating the language in the bylaw we're not changing anything we're not introducing any

[0:43:33] Planner Eggen (probable): new development permit areas so that's why a map isn't included in that guide but we could put one

[0:43:39] Planner Eggen (probable): in there if you i

[0:43:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): would suggest if we're

[0:43:42] Planner Eggen (probable): going to do

[0:43:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): a mailing to south thorman b because we did get

[0:43:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): that one email question that people were unclear as to where it was although she had it right

[0:43:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): the email had it right, but they weren't clear. I think if you're going to send this out,

[0:43:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): it would be useful to also include a map for some, because they're very helpful in just

[0:44:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): identifying where they are. Okay. So if I could ask for that, I would appreciate it.

[0:44:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): My other question is just, I'm inclined to just have the CIM and public hearing

[0:44:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): in with our ltc in may and i say that only because i would have said something different

[0:44:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): except we had no uptake from uh when we brought mr appleton is that his name yes um

[0:44:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): to uh uh to

[0:44:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): our uh to that special meeting we had in anyway whenever it was time is so

[0:44:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): So it's ephemeral these days.

[0:44:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): So my personal belief, unless someone tells me otherwise, would be rather than set up

[0:44:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): a special meeting, we just do it as part of the LTC meeting in May.

[0:44:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then we don't have to all gather and send out a special notice, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:45:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, I guess you still have to say.

[0:45:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anyway, that's my personal.

[0:45:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): I look forward to hearing what my other trustees.

[0:45:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): Other than that, I'm prepared to make some of the motions.

[0:45:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[0:45:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[0:45:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Stamford,

[0:45:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): do you have?

[0:45:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah.

[0:45:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's not a significant information piece,

[0:45:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): but unfortunately due to technical issues,

[0:45:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): my notes don't come through on my iPad,

[0:45:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): but somewhere in the adjustments you're making,

[0:45:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): typing adjustments, there was a statement saying

[0:45:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): you're changing a high watermark to a stream.

[0:45:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): stream um is it shoreline stream

[0:45:42] Planner Eggen (probable): boundary stream

[0:45:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): boundary um so i just want to make

[0:45:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): sure that on page 93 in the graphic that you make the same um adjustment because it says

[0:45:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): high watermark for the stream and okay

[0:45:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): stream boundary instead of high watermark just to make

[0:46:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): it consistent is

[0:46:03] Planner Eggen (probable): that in the guides that you're referring to are

[0:46:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): you 93 in the information graphic

[0:46:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): that they're going to send out okay you can see it says high watermark and it might just be

[0:46:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): consistent just

[0:46:16] Planner Eggen (probable): say stream

[0:46:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): boundary gotcha so other than that um it all seemed very clear to me

[0:46:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): um where we want to go with this so okay super

[0:46:31] Trustee Fast (probable): then uh and i didn't have uh it all looked fine

[0:46:35] Trustee Fast (probable): to me so i'm um wondering if uh dan you would like to make the motions what we're looking at

[0:46:41] Trustee Fast (probable): motions page 42 thank you we can't hear you dan

[0:46:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh i moved at the uh gambier island local trust

[0:46:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): trust committee amend by-law number 145

[0:46:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): cited as Gambier Associated Islands Community Plan 2009

[0:47:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): amendment number 1.17 by reformatting the reference

[0:47:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): 485.1 to 485 bracket one in item 2.4.

[0:47:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Do I have a seconder?

[0:47:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Kate Louise.

[0:47:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Any discussion?

[0:47:20] Trustee Fast (probable): All those in favor?

[0:47:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, go ahead.

[0:47:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): I move that the Gambier Island local trust committee

[0:47:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): bylaw number 145 cited as Gambier Associated Island

[0:47:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): official community plan 2009, sorry,

[0:47:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): Associated Islands land use bylaw,

[0:47:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry, official community plan amendment number 217

[0:47:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): be read a second time as amended.

[0:47:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Seconder?

[0:47:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Kate Louise.

[0:47:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Any discussion?

[0:47:46] Trustee Fast (probable): All in favor?

[0:47:48] Trustee Fast (probable): That passes unanimously.

[0:47:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead.

[0:47:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): Madam Chair, this is a lengthy one.

[0:47:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): can i just um move uh paragraph three as presented is that acceptable to you or would you like me to

[0:48:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): read it out i

[0:48:01] Trustee Fast (probable): think that's fine because this is i move

[0:48:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): i move um uh paragraph three of staff

[0:48:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): recommendations as um of uh april 1st 2021 as presented do

[0:48:15] Trustee Fast (probable): i have a seconder thank you kate

[0:48:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Louise and uh all in favor or any discussion no all in favor thank you that was unanimously

[0:48:26] Trustee Fast (probable): go

[0:48:27] Trustee Fast (probable): ahead thanks I

[0:48:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): moved at the Gambier Island local trust committee bylaw number 146 cited as Boyer

[0:48:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): and Passage Islands land use bylaw 2011 amendment number 1 2017 be read a second time as amended

[0:48:43] Trustee Fast (probable): do you have a seconder thank you Kate Louise any discussion then I'll call the question all those

[0:48:48] Trustee Fast (probable): in favor thank you that passes unanimously and

[0:48:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): i move that paragraph five uh of the staff report

[0:48:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): of april 1st 2021 um be adopted as as present sorry of the staff report be adopted as presented

[0:49:11] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you do i have a seconder thank you kate louise uh call the question all those in favor

[0:49:17] Trustee Fast (probable): three hands up

[0:49:19] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you go ahead so

[0:49:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): just just so i'm clear for i'm sure that um uh diane knows this

[0:49:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): that would mean the motion as it was presented be included in the minutes uh not what i said

[0:49:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): but the actual yeah i got it yeah thanks i moved that the gambier island local trust community

[0:49:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): bylaw number 147 cited its gambier associated island land use bylaw 2013 amendment number 1

[0:49:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): 2017 be read a second time as amended

[0:49:49] Trustee Fast (probable): seconded by kate lee stamford any discussion i'll call the

[0:49:54] Trustee Fast (probable): question all in favor three hands went up thank you go ahead and

[0:50:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): i move that the gambier island

[0:50:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): local trust committee press staff to schedule schedule a special meeting to hold a community

[0:50:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): information meeting and to schedule public hearing during the may 27th sorry i'm going to stop there

[0:50:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm going to stop because I misread it.

[0:50:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): I thought that the proposal was that we,

[0:50:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): so I'm going to reword this.

[0:50:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm going to move that the Gambier

[0:50:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): and local trust committee requests staff

[0:50:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): to schedule a community information meeting

[0:50:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the public hearing during the May 27th, 2021

[0:50:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): regularly scheduled business meeting for proposed bylaws

[0:50:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): number 145, 146 and 147.

[0:50:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, did you get that Diane?

[0:50:48] Trustee Fast (probable): And I see Kate Louise not, good, thank you.

[0:50:51] Trustee Fast (probable): And Kate Louise, are you seconding that motion?

[0:50:53] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, and any discussion?

[0:50:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Hearing none, I'll call the question, all those in favor?

[0:51:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Three hands went up, thank you, go ahead.

[0:51:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I move that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee

[0:51:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): request staff to distribute

[0:51:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): the riparian area protection guides

[0:51:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): as amended to property owners of Boyer, Anvil

[0:51:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): and South Thornby Islands prior to the scheduled

[0:51:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): community information meeting.

[0:51:22] Trustee Fast (probable): And do I have a seconder?

[0:51:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, that's the motion that includes the words

[0:51:27] Trustee Fast (probable): as amended, otherwise it's the same.

[0:51:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Any discussion?

[0:51:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Call the question, all those in favor?

[0:51:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, that passes unanimously.

[0:51:36] Trustee Fast (probable): And that's it

[0:51:37] Trustee Fast (probable): for that, that's good.

[0:51:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Marnie, very good.

[0:51:41] Trustee Fast (probable): are we

[0:51:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): pretty much over for the associated islands wrap we're just heading to the community

[0:51:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): information meetings now we're good well public hearing yeah

[0:51:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): cim's public hearing and then well

[0:51:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): whatever we do after the public hearing

[0:52:00] Trustee Fast (probable): we'll

[0:52:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): reopen them all of course well

[0:52:05] Trustee Fast (probable): i think it's

[0:52:05] Trustee Fast (probable): great to be putting extra um strengthening the protections that's wonderful and uh making

[0:52:12] Trustee Fast (probable): progress thank you planner Egan now we'll move on back to I'm looking I see

[0:52:22] Trustee Fast (probable): another attendee has joined us Kim Torgerson is with us so let's go back to

[0:52:30] Trustee Fast (probable): item 8.1 please and that planner Sawyer joining us and we're starting on page 21

[0:52:39] Trustee Fast (probable): one uh for people following along with the um agenda and let me scroll madly here

[0:52:47] Trustee Fast (probable): some things are easier on ipads i must say okay and uh here we are um about uh about this

[0:52:58] Trustee Fast (probable): application so please take it away planner uh sawyer thank

[0:53:02] Voice 7: you chair and uh thank you for making

[0:53:04] Voice 7: making those changes to the agenda to ensure that Ms. Torgerson could be participating.

[0:53:12] Voice 7: So here in the agenda, I've prepared or staff have prepared a memo. The memo has been provided

[0:53:20] Voice 7: to relay information that was discussed with the applicant and agent during a telephone

[0:53:25] Voice 7: call that was held on March 5th. The subject of the telephone call was to discuss the draft

[0:53:31] Voice 7: resolution that was made at the Gambier LTC meeting in February, which was that staff explore

[0:53:38] Voice 7: with applicant what net benefits regarding ecosystem protection could be provided in

[0:53:43] Voice 7: the application specifically related to setbacks from the sea and ecosystem protection. The

[0:53:49] Voice 7: applicant has provided reasons during that telephone call why the proposed location

[0:53:54] Voice 7: was considered for the new home and also reasons why it might be the most suitable given the

[0:54:02] Voice 7: impacts of relocating behind the other two houses. We also talked about whether or not any

[0:54:08] Voice 7: biologists or other professional reports had been prepared as part of the Crown Lands

[0:54:14] Voice 7: authorization application. That's often a requirement from Crown Lands for a doc.

[0:54:21] Voice 7: and then a post telephone call the applicant provided a letter explaining discussing some of

[0:54:30] Voice 7: what we discussed in our telephone call around the the general makeup of the the property and

[0:54:37] Voice 7: the mature forest that is behind these two houses and the impact to that forest in in locating

[0:54:44] Voice 7: further away upland also the letter talks about the green shores program and making a contribution

[0:54:52] Voice 7: as part of the rezoning i else we did talk after that that that isn't something that we would be

[0:55:01] Voice 7: able to require as part of rezoning and so you know and again you just you know supporting in

[0:55:06] Voice 7: that people do participate in environmental initiatives like that but that it wouldn't be

[0:55:11] Voice 7: able to um to occur through as part of our rezoning application and um then uh you know i just wanted

[0:55:18] Voice 7: to conclude that the applicant um did express a strong interest in working with staff and the ltc

[0:55:26] Voice 7: to develop the property with consideration of shoreline and environmental protection

[0:55:32] Voice 7: as well so attached to the memo was included correspondence from the neighbors

[0:55:40] Voice 7: that was absent from the staff report in February and also a photograph that the applicant provided

[0:55:49] Voice 7: of the property as was construct you know the buildings that were constructed as you know

[0:55:56] Voice 7: circa 1958. So yeah and that concludes my memo. Thank

[0:56:02] Trustee Fast (probable): you. Questions from the planner or shall

[0:56:06] Trustee Fast (probable): we hear from the applicant what's the wishes of the trustees um

[0:56:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): i would like to hear from

[0:56:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): the applicant okay

[0:56:14] Trustee Fast (probable): then uh kim if you could uh oh i see you've already got your here we come

[0:56:20] Trustee Fast (probable): uh kim if you could just confirm that that's who it is who's speaking and uh uh go ahead for a few

[0:56:26] Trustee Fast (probable): minutes yes

[0:56:27] Voice 8: my name's kim yes and uh i am muted myself so i hope everybody can hear me okay awesome

[0:56:34] Voice 8: Awesome. Yeah, so further to what Bronwyn had mentioned there, and I don't know if you've had

[0:56:43] Voice 8: the opportunity to read the memos that were attached there. But yeah, I'm just here to say

[0:56:52] Voice 8: I really, I'm not quite sure what was expected for us to provide environmentally, like what I'm not

[0:57:02] Voice 8: sure what you're looking for from us as the applicants of what we can do to to meet the

[0:57:11] Voice 8: environmental criteria that you it seemed vague to me um so i looked at because there was a mention

[0:57:20] Voice 8: of possibly moving the cabin up to the back into the back forest and you know i really don't feel

[0:57:27] Voice 8: that that is an environmental way to go it's going to create a heck of a lot more disturbance to the

[0:57:34] Voice 8: property and the mature forest and and all of that um where the existing cabin sits it is and i mean

[0:57:46] Voice 8: i'm sure you don't need to take my word for it we could have that uh proven but it is within

[0:57:50] Voice 8: in the boundaries, the setbacks that that are specified. The only thing is, is that we'd be

[0:57:58] Voice 8: adding an extra 300 square feet. So that's why we felt that that was the best location for the

[0:58:05] Voice 8: property for the expansion. And, and I think we just kind of feel that that's, that's what we

[0:58:13] Voice 8: need to do for for us for, for the space that we require, we're not looking to build a 2000

[0:58:20] Voice 8: thousand square foot house uh we just need a little bit more space another bedroom and a bathroom

[0:58:25] Voice 8: and uh feel that that's the best location for it um also environmentally speaking um the uh

[0:58:35] Voice 8: the existing cabin as it is is not at all environmentally friendly because the gray

[0:58:41] Voice 8: water goes right out into the front of the cabin um so we have to address that issue right and i

[0:58:48] Voice 8: know that that is not acceptable and we would like to fix it but we don't know how to fix that

[0:58:55] Voice 8: without fixing the cabin so that's why why we're here what are you guys looking for in an

[0:59:03] Voice 8: environmental uh recommendation what what would you like us to do to to move the rezoning process

[0:59:10] Voice 8: forward.

[0:59:14] Trustee Fast (probable): This is your application but I'll put it over to Trustee Stamford.

[0:59:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank you very much and has Ms. Torgenson had a chance to see the

[0:59:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): the letter that was sent by Mr. Phillips today or yesterday? No.

[0:59:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): It would be nice if

[0:59:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): if she could see that because she probably missed the verbal copy that he gave earlier today in the

[0:59:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): town hall. I just have a number of comments to make about this and I do really hear Kim's

[1:00:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): confusion about the vagueness. It's a difficult position for trustees and that we're not here to

[1:00:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): negotiate. And that puts us in an awkward position. And whereas I recognize the, I understand the

[1:00:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): intent of suggesting donations, it is not how it would work just because, well, partly because two

[1:00:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): two of the trustees on this committee

[1:00:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): are actually members of the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[1:00:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): So it put us in quite a difficult position.

[1:00:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I certainly appreciate Green Shores,

[1:00:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): just so you know,

[1:00:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): we do use Green Shores principles

[1:00:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): in a lot of the planning.

[1:00:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): I would have been interested to see

[1:00:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): how you were going to use more of those principles

[1:00:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): in the consideration of the plan.

[1:00:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): So whereas I understand

[1:00:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): moving a modular building is the green shores format i'd also like to see how

[1:01:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): buildings that are in within the setback of the setback from the sea would be possibly removed

[1:01:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): and this is voluntary because they are as far as i understand are legal right now but using the

[1:01:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): actual principles of green shores is is something to consider um i totally recognize that uh building

[1:01:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): in the back of the property uh would be of more environmental environmental concern um given that

[1:01:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): you would have to clear so given that one of the things that possibly i'm hoping would be looked at

[1:01:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): is something like covenants and protecting covenant protecting that that forested area

[1:01:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): from any further clearing or development it it really is as far as my position as a as a trustee

[1:02:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): and representing the Gambier community,

[1:02:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): I do see this as a need to acknowledge

[1:02:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): that there are a few developments on land developments

[1:02:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): on Gambier that existed before the trust

[1:02:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that they are representative

[1:02:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): of a different type of community

[1:02:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): that isn't necessarily being supported as well as it could be,

[1:02:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): as opposed to new owners that are coming in and providing large developments.

[1:02:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): So in the big picture, I want to find a way to accommodate existing structures

[1:02:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): on these very few lands that I can see.

[1:03:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): and I've looked through the island

[1:03:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): and I can see two others

[1:03:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): that have a somewhat similar scenario.

[1:03:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yet I don't want to see an ability

[1:03:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): for overall density increase anywhere.

[1:03:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I'm hoping to see from staff

[1:03:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): and is a way of accommodating these two aspects.

[1:03:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): This is very specific to this particular scenario.

[1:03:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I originally was looking at the idea that if the two buildings behind the, I'm going

[1:03:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): to call it cabin three, were one building, there wouldn't be any issues.

[1:03:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): You could have an accessory building, but I recognize now that you already have, cabin

[1:03:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): three is already at 600 square feet, which is the limit for that size, and that you are

[1:04:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): are actually asking for an extra 300 square feet so again we are back at square one as a

[1:04:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): resolution um and i had asked bronwyn uh uh planner sawyer sorry if um there was a definition

[1:04:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): of dwelling uh that whether or not it included how many kitchens um to look at the possibility of

[1:04:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): of cabin one and two um quite simply being one building if if that had ever been considered

[1:04:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): but again it still doesn't fit the extra 300 square feet that you are are looking at um

[1:04:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm just looking through my notes um i think i'm going to leave it at that for now i'm not sure if

[1:04:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): if I've helped at all, but I really,

[1:04:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): and I do actually appreciate seeing the comments

[1:04:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): from your neighbors that is helpful

[1:05:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): and the names are familiar.

[1:05:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I know where their cabins and who they are

[1:05:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): and the type of community development in that area.

[1:05:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): So thank you for that.

[1:05:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Trustee Stamford.

[1:05:14] Trustee Fast (probable): And Trustee Rogers, did you have anything you wanted

[1:05:17] Trustee Fast (probable): to add at this point or ask?

[1:05:20] Trustee Fast (probable): ask well

[1:05:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): i mean i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna be a bit repetitive of what i said in february which is

[1:05:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): this is this is a um i don't i don't it's not a good practice in my view to do sort of what i

[1:05:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): call spot zoning um and that's basically what the application is is asking us to do um unless

[1:05:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): Unless on an overall balanced basis, the local trust committee thinks that there is a benefit to the community, the island, the islands, that would make it worthwhile to do it.

[1:06:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): um i and and the reason for that is is because we generally develop our land use bylaws and our

[1:06:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): official community plans to provide for a set of guidelines and rules for everybody that applies

[1:06:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): equally to everybody in a similar situation sorry everybody in a similar situation so if you're a

[1:06:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): settlement residential area you get this is what you're entitled to and this is what you're not

[1:06:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): entitled to and if you're in a rural area or forestry lot or whatever they're designated on

[1:06:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): gambier then this is what you're entitled to and this is what you're not entitled to here's the

[1:06:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): rules and regulations and people can say that but and then we get faced with um from time to time

[1:06:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): people saying well i want special consideration and we you know we sometimes get them in the

[1:07:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the context of variances where people say you know you require 15 meter setback or whatever it

[1:07:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): is on on gambier uh but because the topography we can't do that and and and if we do we'll have to

[1:07:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): create a whole bunch of mess that we don't want to and so they'll come and ask for a variance

[1:07:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that's easy to do on a variance but it's this is not a variance situation this is a

[1:07:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): this is a an app ask for a rezoning effectively of this particular piece of land and i i think

[1:07:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): what I said before is I wanted to make sure that the Torgersons, if we said yes, let's go ahead.

[1:07:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): This is not a light piece of work. I don't know what the fee is for doing it, but it's not like

[1:07:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): a variance. It's not like $400. I think it's substantially more. It's a relatively extensive

[1:07:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): piece of work that requires public hearings and all the rest of that. At the end of the day,

[1:08:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): A, we may be in a scenario where we go, do we really want to do that where this particular piece of property is zoned differently than all the properties around them?

[1:08:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then the other properties would go, well, why can't I have that?

[1:08:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I appreciate the familial history here and the fact that this was developed at a time when something was, you know, a different time before a lot of this occurred.

[1:08:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): heard but we're now faced with this in 2021 so um so that's the sort of the context of why we're

[1:08:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): having this conversation and i wanted to echo what christy stanford said is is is um you know

[1:08:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): you know what usually what we do the process is an application is made we make a decision

[1:08:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): um it's not a matter of the local trust committee then go going you know if you do this maybe

[1:09:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): maybe we'll do it. Or if you do this, maybe we'll do it.

[1:09:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): The type of negotiation we sort of leave to you go talk away with the stock

[1:09:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): and talk to them about what the alternatives might be. So for example,

[1:09:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): a conservation covenant, and I don't have no idea.

[1:09:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'm not going to tell you in advance whether or not that's going to be

[1:09:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): something that's going to do it for me or for the local trust committee,

[1:09:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): because I'm only one of three trustees. But if there was, you know,

[1:09:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): You know, faced with a, if you allow us to do this, we will provide a conservation covenant, for example, that protects X amount of the forest.

[1:09:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we go, okay, that's part of our preserve and protect the environment mandate and our focus on coastal hemlock forests and trying to protect the integrity of the forest.

[1:09:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that sufficient for us to consider providing a density

[1:09:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): that otherwise does not exist?

[1:10:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I don't know, we'd make that decision going forward.

[1:10:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I think to some extent, Ms. Tarkeson,

[1:10:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm afraid that we're sort of putting this

[1:10:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the wrong order.

[1:10:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's not a matter of us telling you what it is we want.

[1:10:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's a matter of whether or not what you propose

[1:10:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): is sufficient is is something that we're prepared to sign off on and and i appreciate that's

[1:10:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): challenging when you're not you're not in this like you're not you're not you're not a planner

[1:10:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're not a in a um you're not a trustee you're not a you don't work every day in the

[1:10:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): the land use bylaws etc etc but that's the way we're supposed to be doing our work

[1:10:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): um because we're elected officials uh who try and this is not our application and not our

[1:10:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): issue and our mandate is to preserve and protect the unique amenities environment etc etc of the

[1:11:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): island and um and under our mandate and then we have land use planning and so we get applications

[1:11:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we decide whether to approve the application or not um and what what kind of information we

[1:11:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): might need and what and so i've sort of given you and trustee stamford has sort of given you

[1:11:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): some ideas of what might be more to you know our our um and unfortunately what rightly or wrongly

[1:11:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): our mandate does not include ensuring that families maintain their access to their their

[1:11:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): familial cabin um i mean that's not in our legislation anywhere and and or in our local

[1:11:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): trust committee or in our official community plan it's not doesn't mean we're not sensitive to it

[1:12:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we're certainly not opposed to it but um you know i'm reminded of for example of a number of

[1:12:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): places around our local trust area i'll just give you an example paisley island um there are

[1:12:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): are 30 families that own properties on there and they have owned those properties for 60 or 70 or

[1:12:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): 80 years or whatever and they've got a corporation and they and so what happens is generationally

[1:12:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh more and more and they all have a slice of the island if you will and what happens is

[1:12:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): generationally whereas it started out with perhaps two people with two kids there's now 40 members

[1:12:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): members of the family that are all sort of saying i want to go there too um and and and what do you

[1:12:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): do uh well some of them leave some of them sort of share and set up their own sharing room and

[1:12:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's only going to get worse in 20 years 30 years from now when there's a next generation

[1:12:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and that's a challenge all over the place anyway i'm sorry to be so long i'm not i'm not

[1:13:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): unsympathetic we've i've tried to give you some ideas of things that we might you know that might

[1:13:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh change the dynamic but i i i really don't want to have you go down a road of

[1:13:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): filing for rezoning that may not be successful in the end because of some of the considerations and

[1:13:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): in fact i mean i suppose we could just deny the application right now but um i i don't want to

[1:13:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): do that because this is an important an important piece of your family history um and so i hope you

[1:13:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): anyway that's i that's what i wanted to say and i hope that wasn't too long and too negative so

[1:13:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank

[1:13:50] Trustee Fast (probable): you trustee rogers i have a couple of questions uh for the planner but i'm just

[1:13:54] Trustee Fast (probable): going to start off by saying um i too don't appreciate the idea of spot zonings uh because

[1:14:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Because then one set of property owners is setting a precedent for others.

[1:14:14] Trustee Fast (probable): And what I have seen on other islands is that once one of those happens, then a bunch of new applications come in expecting the same kind of changes be made on a spot by spot basis.

[1:14:33] Trustee Fast (probable): and I don't think that's a good use of taxpayers money and I don't think it's

[1:14:37] Trustee Fast (probable): good for an island and I'm not nearly as familiar with this island as others but

[1:14:44] Trustee Fast (probable): those issues come up I think it's better to to look at zoning island wide and

[1:14:55] Trustee Fast (probable): property owners wide so with that I've got a few questions for the planner on

[1:15:00] Trustee Fast (probable): on page 38 of the report it refers to the uh dock application and uh getting to see that i'm

[1:15:08] Trustee Fast (probable): wondering um my thinking about um looking at the property from the water or um the impacts on the

[1:15:15] Trustee Fast (probable): marine ecosystems i'm wondering if we have has the planner seen uh the dock application is the

[1:15:22] Trustee Fast (probable): dock going to be the same as what's there now is that the plan or do you know um

[1:15:28] Voice 7: i haven't seen the

[1:15:29] Voice 7: application yet so it hasn't come to our office as a referral no okay and um

[1:15:35] Trustee Fast (probable): because that would

[1:15:36] Trustee Fast (probable): might help us understand uh what the impacts of the changes uh might be um i just had seen that

[1:15:44] Trustee Fast (probable): and thought maybe i'd missed it okay so i haven't i'm wondering about the um uh the applicant

[1:15:51] Trustee Fast (probable): mentioned the bathroom and uh so i'm assuming there would be some kind of septic facilities

[1:15:56] Trustee Fast (probable): that would be added to the you know environmental impacts and things like that do you have any

[1:16:04] Trustee Fast (probable): information that would help trustees understand what the impact would be no I'm seeing you

[1:16:09] Trustee Fast (probable): shaking your head Bronwyn okay no

[1:16:11] Voice 7: and I believe I'm just scrolling to my staff report from

[1:16:15] Voice 7: the February meeting and that might have been one of the items that we were requesting

[1:16:25] Voice 7: interesting yeah as

[1:16:27] Voice 7: part of that staff

[1:16:28] Trustee Fast (probable): report okay it was

[1:16:30] Voice 7: um thank

[1:16:31] Trustee Fast (probable): you and that that's fine

[1:16:32] Trustee Fast (probable): i won't go on with that i'm um on the theme of uh things changing um over time uh rules change

[1:16:42] Trustee Fast (probable): uh and other things change too like now we have climate change uh we're going to have sea level

[1:16:47] Trustee Fast (probable): rise we have uh bigger windier winter storms uh coming sometimes with the wind in different

[1:16:54] Trustee Fast (probable): directions i understand and um i'm wondering uh has this been part of the conversation with the

[1:17:00] Trustee Fast (probable): uh applicant or are you familiar with uh any plan is that going to be incorporated in the plans

[1:17:07] Voice 7: not specifically we haven't spoken about the impacts to climate change and i think uh for

[1:17:14] Voice 7: the most part i've been relying on the official community plan and the direction provided in it

[1:17:17] Voice 7: and likely it seems that a lot of regional you know a lot of regional districts and

[1:17:25] Voice 7: office government offices are doing more work on floodplain mapping and where the sea level rise

[1:17:31] Voice 7: will reach um so we haven't no we haven't talked about that specifically okay thank you and then um

[1:17:39] Trustee Fast (probable): so those are things we're sort of questions out there and uh then i want to come back to the um

[1:17:47] Trustee Fast (probable): uh point that trustee rogers was starting to make about uh the time and the effort that goes into

[1:17:55] Trustee Fast (probable): uh an application because you mentioned uh planner um ron when you mentioned the uh

[1:18:04] Trustee Fast (probable): uh official community plan and i'm looking at the next item on the agenda is yeah community

[1:18:10] Trustee Fast (probable): plan review and i'm wondering uh it would what do you expect do we i guess we don't really know but

[1:18:18] Trustee Fast (probable): but official community plan review,

[1:18:21] Trustee Fast (probable): we've got a timeline in our agenda

[1:18:23] Trustee Fast (probable): and that might change the rules.

[1:18:27] Trustee Fast (probable): And so I wonder if the applicant might consider waiting

[1:18:33] Trustee Fast (probable): until that official community plan review is done

[1:18:36] Trustee Fast (probable): and getting involved in that process

[1:18:38] Trustee Fast (probable): to have their concerns heard

[1:18:40] Trustee Fast (probable): and participate with their input.

[1:18:44] Trustee Fast (probable): put um and then um they might find themselves in a changed uh position at the end of it and i also

[1:18:53] Trustee Fast (probable): just wanted to say um although i'm not sure that that will affect their situation uh at all it

[1:19:02] Trustee Fast (probable): might help them uh learn about the uh processes for this kind of thing and um but i basically it's

[1:19:10] Trustee Fast (probable): just an invitation to get involved in these kinds of processes to find out what's going on

[1:19:14] Trustee Fast (probable): because rezoning as i understand can take a long time too i saw your hand trustee rogers

[1:19:18] Trustee Fast (probable): but for the planner um uh how long would a uh a rezoning typically take if there is a typical

[1:19:30] Voice 7: yeah um well i'm afraid i didn't provide the the the timeline that as i did with the in the staff

[1:19:39] Voice 7: report from February but so yeah

[1:19:42] Voice 7: it's early days right now with the preliminary report having just

[1:19:46] Voice 7: been submitted in February and so uh you know the drafting of the bylaws would have to occur

[1:19:52] Voice 7: and so you know it would easily be um and then with your with the Gambier local trust meeting

[1:19:59] Voice 7: schedule um you know I certainly would envision that it would be in the sort of six to eight

[1:20:06] Voice 7: months if that yeah yeah that might be

[1:20:11] Voice 7: optimistic yeah okay

[1:20:13] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you very much uh those are those

[1:20:16] Trustee Fast (probable): are my uh questions then there's still a lot of outstanding things and um thank you i don't think

[1:20:27] Trustee Fast (probable): we've got a decision in front of us today but i saw trustee rogers hand uh up again go ahead

[1:20:32] Trustee Fast (probable): trustee rogers all

[1:20:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): right thank you thank you madam chair the um i just wanted to comment on your

[1:20:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): your comments about the OCP is keep in mind, of course,

[1:20:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): this is only an OCP review.

[1:20:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's not a land use bylaw review.

[1:20:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): And all of the issues that arise in relation

[1:20:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): to this application are mostly related

[1:20:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): to what the land use bylaw provides.

[1:20:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so that review, even if it was done

[1:20:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): and by the end of our term would not necessarily deal

[1:21:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): with the actual zoning and density

[1:21:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): on this particular piece of land.

[1:21:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): land and and so i just want to be i don't want to leave some false hope so i don't want to say

[1:21:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): false but some unwarranted hope for the applicant that that might resolve this issue because i

[1:21:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): suggest it may not and um yeah i'd

[1:21:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): actually like i'd actually like to hear if uh the applicant

[1:21:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): has any reaction to what Trustee Stamford and Fairfast and I myself have said, if that's all

[1:21:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): right with you. Can

[1:21:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): I just make one other comment? And it's relation to the Paisleys and the specific

[1:21:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): scenario where you had families with multiple dwellings on a specific area. So when their land

[1:21:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): NDs bylaws were being determined a few years ago, I was part of that as witness to that.

[1:22:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): And it was a very, very difficult conversation to recognize that we cannot necessarily

[1:22:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): accommodate the ongoing changes to what are essentially our family compounds and their

[1:22:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): desire to be able to build more buildings for grandchildren etc etc and that basically they

[1:22:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): were legalized what currently sat on those islands at the time which was the process for the land use

[1:22:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): bylaw it didn't accommodate anything new for sure and that was a very difficult conversation and

[1:22:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): and process for those families.

[1:22:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): Thank

[1:22:47] Trustee Fast (probable): you for your comments.

[1:22:48] Trustee Fast (probable): And maybe we could take a few minutes to hear

[1:22:53] Trustee Fast (probable): from the applicant then, Kim,

[1:22:55] Trustee Fast (probable): if you've got anything else you want to add at this point

[1:23:01] Trustee Fast (probable): for the trustees to hear.

[1:23:05] Voice 8: Well, I don't, I really can't say that having

[1:23:11] Voice 8: what I've heard so far has helped me figure out any more of what we need to do as an application

[1:23:20] Voice 8: for the rezoning. It sounds to me like it's something that's not going to happen.

[1:23:35] Voice 8: It sounds like we could go through a whole lot of things, a whole lot of things for a very,

[1:23:45] Voice 8: very very long time not to get the rezoning application anyway um so i think i just need

[1:23:55] Voice 8: to readdress that with you know maybe um uh susan who's been helping us and just decide what our

[1:24:05] Voice 8: our steps are moving forward whether or not to even pursue this anymore um and then i guess we

[1:24:17] Voice 8: we just figure out where we go I

[1:24:20] Trustee Fast (probable): hear you Kim and I hear your passion for your family

[1:24:25] Trustee Fast (probable): cottages and and I uh and I think there's still room there to talk to staff it's staff who will

[1:24:33] Trustee Fast (probable): be able to help you more than um than uh trustees who mostly were here to respond

[1:24:40] Trustee Fast (probable): to applications so i wish we were in a hall where we could um break for a cup of tea and

[1:24:49] Trustee Fast (probable): some of kate louise's cookies which would be at the back of the hall and um uh and but i think

[1:24:56] Trustee Fast (probable): there are um uh i would just invite you to have a look around it and keep in touch with staff and

[1:25:03] Trustee Fast (probable): And think about your options and stay in touch with us.

[1:25:08] Trustee Fast (probable): So any other comments?

[1:25:14] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[1:25:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): just want to ask, Raman, did you get a chance to clarify the definition of dwelling?

[1:25:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): It doesn't totally apply anymore to this scenario, but is it dependent on kitchens?

[1:25:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): yes

[1:25:34] Voice 7: so there are certain features to a a building that are required that help to create that

[1:25:44] Voice 7: definition of dwelling which would include kitchen and eating areas as well as bedrooms and bathrooms

[1:25:53] Voice 7: but they're sort of a yeah there's a a complete definition in the gambier land use bylaw

[1:25:59] Voice 7: um

[1:26:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): because i'm just thinking that you know we have several of the newer builds uh include a suite

[1:26:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): um within the envelope of the single building which within that suite has a separate um

[1:26:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): kitchen and and is essentially an apartment so um yeah i just think that you know how to

[1:26:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): to look at this in terms of a single giant building versus small buildings um but also

[1:26:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): understanding the history of how the the environmental impact of several buildings

[1:26:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): on a property so um uh i'm just gonna stand back and and chair fast i think is hopefully given

[1:26:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): given some opportunity to continue working with this

[1:26:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): and go from there.

[1:26:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you.

[1:27:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): So just, I'm sorry, Madam Chair,

[1:27:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): if I could just ask Trustee Stamford a question,

[1:27:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just want to be clear,

[1:27:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): when you're talking about a single building,

[1:27:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're talking about the two upper cabins.

[1:27:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): Well, I had just been looking at it

[1:27:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): and I realized that my interpretation was incorrect,

[1:27:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): correct um is that if the cabin a and b were joined as one building then the second accessory

[1:27:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): dwelling of 600 square feet would be then cabin three but rereading the um the report the memo

[1:27:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): here that i realized that it's that 600 square feet is not what's being asked for that it's

[1:27:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's actually 900 square feet and that properties in this area,

[1:27:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): the settlement residential of that size,

[1:27:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): the accessory dwelling is limited to 600 square feet.

[1:27:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): But

[1:27:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): just so

[1:27:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm clear, if, if, for example, just,

[1:28:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): and this is all hypothetical.

[1:28:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): If we had a property that had one large building on the upland,

[1:28:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): then there is the zoning allows a second cabin of 600 square feet um just just i always get

[1:28:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes and i mean and expanding that to 900 is not a it's not something you can grant a variance for

[1:28:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's again has to be that's contrary to the zoning so but you would be in if you had a large

[1:28:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): building and and this goes to a bit and i'm and just to miss torgeson that we got any a letter

[1:28:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): from actually someone on Keats

[1:28:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): who was very empathetic to your situation.

[1:28:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that's what Trustee Stamford's saying

[1:28:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that very empathetic to your situation

[1:28:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that family connections

[1:28:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): and these types of community values

[1:28:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): should be found a way forward.

[1:28:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I guess I'm just sort of hypothetically

[1:29:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): hypothesizing that if we had a scenario

[1:29:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): or if you had a scenario

[1:29:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): where you had one large building cottage or house up up the hill you'd still have the capacity to

[1:29:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): build a second a second building of 600 square feet um and that that wouldn't run afoul and you

[1:29:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): actually wouldn't need rezoning to do that yeah

[1:29:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): um uh because that's currently allowed under the

[1:29:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): rezone uh the difficulty god is is that the proposal is to rezone to allow for three separate

[1:29:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): buildings residences not just buildings but residences um and that's the challenge that

[1:29:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're we're all faced with trying to find a way for the scenario that we that we're so yeah and

[1:29:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's that again that that extra 300 square feet that although doesn't seem very much on the ground

[1:29:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): is a significant jump for expectations.

[1:30:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): within this this area so that was the part that was was throwing me but i you know i do definitely

[1:30:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): recognize uh watching what's been happening especially in in this part of gambier is the

[1:30:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): tearing down of of smaller cabins and one humongous great building going in um which could

[1:30:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): could have it and I know several that do have suites within them so that was just the way I

[1:30:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): was looking and I just would hate to see that so um this is why I keep trying to to to see if

[1:30:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): there's something we can do looking

[1:30:40] Trustee Fast (probable): for the creativity I'm just going to go to um regional

[1:30:43] Trustee Fast (probable): planning manager cower go ahead just

[1:30:47] Voice 6: maybe some more perspective on this at least the way that

[1:30:51] Voice 6: I kind of look at it is that this scenario where an applicant comes in for a rezone

[1:30:57] Voice 6: and the elected officials would consider the rezone if the applicant provided a community

[1:31:06] Voice 6: amenity which is kind of how we've been how the the thinking around this goes it's called a

[1:31:14] Voice 6: community amenity in some way right and and that happens all the time where the elected officials

[1:31:21] Voice 6: say, and in particular, there is this impact. And if you could mitigate for that impact,

[1:31:29] Voice 6: that would help us move in the direction of rezoning the property, right? And again, in BC,

[1:31:36] Voice 6: that's called a community amenity. And the elected officials have a lot of free reign around that.

[1:31:42] Voice 6: You know, what do you think the impact is? And what do you think the mitigation would be? But

[1:31:49] Voice 6: But without any of that being in writing

[1:31:51] Voice 6: in terms of bylaws or policies,

[1:31:54] Voice 6: staff don't have any way of making recommendations

[1:31:58] Voice 6: around that.

[1:32:00] Voice 6: It really ends up being an elected official's decision,

[1:32:03] Voice 6: but that is the framework that we think about it.

[1:32:06] Voice 6: And yeah.

[1:32:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much.

[1:32:11] Trustee Fast (probable): And trustees, any more questions or discussion?

[1:32:17] Voice 8: I have one question.

[1:32:19] Voice 8: May I ask a question?

[1:32:21] Voice 8: go ahead kim i'm i just wanted to go back because from what i heard it sounded to me like if we were

[1:32:31] Voice 8: to create one cabin between cabin a and cabin b which is ours is that something that's or are you

[1:32:42] Voice 8: trying to avoid that the demolition of two cabins to create one big cabin with a secondary suite in

[1:32:49] Voice 8: I

[1:32:51] Trustee Fast (probable): can see some ideas have been stirred up here. That's something you can talk with staff about. And I think and and they can sort of explore the possibilities with you that might might be possible.

[1:33:07] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm just

[1:33:08] Voice 8: thinking that environmentally, because the environment is an issue here, too. Like, that's not that's never been in our wheelhouse to do, because we're trying to do everything that is as environmentally sensitive as we can be.

[1:33:27] Voice 8: yeah and so that's where we're at and we were told that this was the best way to go about it

[1:33:35] Voice 8: right to apply for rezoning not a variance so i don't even know where to go from here

[1:33:42] Voice 8: well

[1:33:43] Trustee Fast (probable): i suggest you talk to a planner sawyer uh after the meeting and um or

[1:33:50] Trustee Fast (probable): or follow up and see what the possibilities might be.

[1:33:57] Trustee Fast (probable): And any other suggestions for the applicant?

[1:34:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead, Trustee Stamford.

[1:34:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): God forbid.

[1:34:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm just thinking on Manager Cowher's response

[1:34:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): about how amenities could be used,

[1:34:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): but it's because we don't have policies

[1:34:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): in our, um, OCP or land use bylaws around that, that you cannot recommend that. Is that how I

[1:34:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): understood it?

[1:34:26] Voice 6: Yeah. Something in writing, we don't know what your priorities are or what would

[1:34:32] Voice 6: trigger it. You know, we don't, um, there, there are, there are bylaws that exist in other places

[1:34:38] Voice 6: where they say, if you're doing X, then you must provide Y kind of thing. Right. And we don't have

[1:34:44] Voice 6: any of that sort of guidance you know i what i'm hearing from the chair is is a suggestion that we

[1:34:52] Voice 6: explore with the applicant ways in which they could meet the provisions of the existing zoning

[1:34:58] Voice 6: as opposed to moving forward with the rezone and so so well

[1:35:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just might have checked if i might

[1:35:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think you're hearing both yeah you're hearing both that and and is there something that

[1:35:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): that we can sink our teeth into as a community amenity that we could make a decision but i i

[1:35:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm sorry i'm not sure but i didn't mean it but um it's it's it's just i must say i i i guess we

[1:35:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): we need to, I'm struggling a little bit with this

[1:35:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): because as a trustee, I've always taught,

[1:35:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): we don't sit here at our local trust committees

[1:35:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): and negotiate with the applicant.

[1:35:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): We talk about what we need and what we want,

[1:35:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): et cetera, et cetera, but we respond,

[1:35:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): as I said earlier, we respond to the application

[1:35:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): as it's put forward and we often see applications

[1:35:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): where, and I'm not necessarily talking about it

[1:36:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): in particular in this local trust area but in other places that i deal with where the applicant

[1:36:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): comes in and says look i want this and here's what i'm going to give you and so again using a

[1:36:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): completely different island of galliano we have forestry lots and they'll often give us you know

[1:36:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): they'll offer us 30 of the land as a as a park or whatever in order for our change in zoning so yes

[1:36:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes, that happens all the time.

[1:36:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): But usually that's because there's something specific that we're proposed to us, as opposed to the trustees being put in the position of saying, because I can't prejudge this.

[1:36:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, I haven't heard from anybody else in the community.

[1:36:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): And if I say to this applicant, if you do X, yeah, we'll give you what you want.

[1:36:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh i you know that's just completely off the table for us because we can't tell that because

[1:36:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): we haven't heard from the rest of the community nor have we heard from anybody else or the first

[1:37:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): nations or anybody all our referral agencies or anybody and so i i must admit i do rely on

[1:37:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): personally as a trustee rely on uh the fact that we sort of give our messages

[1:37:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): say these are the sorts of things here's the priorities of the trust protecting the

[1:37:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): the hemlock fur zone the forests the foreshores you know you know there's tools to do that like

[1:37:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): section 219 covenants and and i'm guessing miss thorkinson is now has no idea what i'm talking

[1:37:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): about but we have all of those tools that are available to us that could do it too if we were

[1:37:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): if they were attractive and the way i always see these kinds of applications is i'm looking i'm all

[1:37:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): when people say well what do you look for an application what i look for are there any

[1:37:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): stopping places as to where we should say no we're not going to do this anymore uh and and so what i

[1:37:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): always look for is how do we how will we find a path forward that makes sense given our mandate

[1:38:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and i guess i don't see the trustees roles to create that path forward um because that causes

[1:38:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): difficulty when we get to the end of the path because we're going to have to make the ultimate

[1:38:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): decision and and if we've we've set out what the path to get there is in the sense of of saying yes

[1:38:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): we'll say yes if you do act that causes lots of issues for us in terms in my mind in terms of that

[1:38:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): we've we've we've prejudged the matter so that's what I guess that's the tension that I'm feeling

[1:38:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): right

[1:38:36] Voice 1: here and I hear you

[1:38:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): say you don't know what we think would be appropriate I can talk to you

[1:38:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): offline and tell you my thinking or to try to plan our Sawyer and so can Trustee Stamford etc etc

[1:38:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): and my inclination is to again defer this matter and see if there's if any of that thinking spurs

[1:38:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): anything but I haven't heard that they've considered a covenant I haven't heard they've

[1:39:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): considered the ideas that Trustee Stamford has put forward so yeah

[1:39:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): thank you go ahead

[1:39:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): And there's just a, there is that other role that trustees have in that when we're looking at any kind of consideration ahead of us is we take into the policies, we take in the OCP, we take in the consideration of what the planners are recommending.

[1:39:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): ending but also there is that third role that we look at is how this fits within the community

[1:39:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that is a slightly um vaguer role um generally we would take um we could use our

[1:39:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): advisory planning committee for that kind of of aspect but there that is the part that i'm

[1:39:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): am um struggling with as well here in that um i do see a trend and i'm not i'm i'm sure it's not

[1:40:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): just gambier island uh but that families are being pushed out in terms of of larger homes

[1:40:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that those big homes given that they are allowed to be put in under under this density

[1:40:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): in settlement residential are actually in this particular case are very impactful on the

[1:40:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): environment so and the community as a whole so that is another aspect that I'm trying to

[1:40:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): to struggle with under the very very real and valid scenarios that our policies don't support this

[1:40:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): and the planners have some concerns as to how it plays out so those are the things that I'm

[1:40:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): taking into consideration so um it's not clear answers but hopefully it's a more fulsome

[1:40:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): background to some of the things we're working with thank

[1:41:01] Trustee Fast (probable): you very much trustees and i'm looking

[1:41:04] Trustee Fast (probable): at the time but i'm also thinking about um uh whether we would need a motion from uh the ltc

[1:41:15] Trustee Fast (probable): to direct staff to explore options within the current zoning i don't uh i think any applicant

[1:41:23] Trustee Fast (probable): or any member of the public can call staff

[1:41:25] Trustee Fast (probable): and ask those kinds of questions at any time.

[1:41:28] Trustee Fast (probable): And so I think I'm also thinking

[1:41:35] Trustee Fast (probable): the questions should go to staff

[1:41:38] Trustee Fast (probable): and comments and statements can come to trustees,

[1:41:43] Trustee Fast (probable): but it's really not the role of trustees

[1:41:47] Trustee Fast (probable): to answer questions and except from staff

[1:41:51] Trustee Fast (probable): staff who put a recommendations and decisions in front of trustees.

[1:41:56] Trustee Fast (probable): But I'm wondering if we have come to the end of the conversation for this week or

[1:42:02] Trustee Fast (probable): this meeting, I mean, and and that we can can now move on.

[1:42:07] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'd like to thank the applicant for coming and talking to us today and

[1:42:13] Trustee Fast (probable): and invite you to.

[1:42:16] Trustee Fast (probable): I mean, we're this is participatory democracy.

[1:42:19] Trustee Fast (probable): democracy so through any rezoning process uh other members of the of the uh residents of of

[1:42:26] Trustee Fast (probable): um of the island or uh people that we refer uh the documents out to it's a whole public

[1:42:33] Trustee Fast (probable): participation process so there would be other voices as well and um so i just wanted to bring

[1:42:38] Trustee Fast (probable): that because it hadn't been mentioned before and uh including public hearings and things like that

[1:42:43] Trustee Fast (probable): So I just would like to invite the applicant to ask questions of staff and to get involved in any processes that we've got,

[1:42:54] Trustee Fast (probable): including maybe you want to look at the trust policy statement update and get a better sense of what is the trust all about and have your say.

[1:43:04] Trustee Fast (probable): And but otherwise, I'd like to move on now. Thank you.

[1:43:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Then we're going to move on. OK, thank you, Kim.

[1:43:12] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you bye for now okay and we have another uh attendee with us now and we're going to go on to

[1:43:23] Trustee Fast (probable): um we're at uh 12 14 does anybody need a break or we're going to break for lunch at one

[1:43:29] Trustee Fast (probable): not seeing any uh desperate hands going up okay so let's go to uh 9.1 now and um this is uh

[1:43:42] Trustee Fast (probable): It's on page 36 of the agenda.

[1:43:44] Trustee Fast (probable): This is the official community plan review, the staff report.

[1:43:48] Trustee Fast (probable): And so I think here comes Planner Egan back with us.

[1:43:52] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'll just scroll madly again, 36.

[1:44:00] Trustee Fast (probable): And Planner Egan, please take it away.

[1:44:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank

[1:44:03] Planner Eggen (probable): you, Chair Fast.

[1:44:05] Planner Eggen (probable): So this is an interim report to request direction from the LTC on the desired level of involvement of a consultant in the Gambier official community plan review project.

[1:44:18] Planner Eggen (probable): And I'll start off introducing the report and then pass it over to Regional Planning Manager Kaur to provide some further details, including

[1:44:27] Planner Eggen (probable): including speaking to the attachment that's a part of this staff report.

[1:44:37] Planner Eggen (probable): So at the last LTC meeting in February,

[1:44:40] Planner Eggen (probable): the local trust committee provided direction to staff in terms of the topics

[1:44:46] Planner Eggen (probable): to include in the review.

[1:44:47] Planner Eggen (probable): And these were forest protection, conservation,

[1:44:52] Planner Eggen (probable): forest protection and conservation of the coastal Douglas fir and associated

[1:44:56] Planner Eggen (probable): ecosystems, protection of archaeological and cultural sites, shoreline protection

[1:45:02] Planner Eggen (probable): and marine designations. And at that meeting the LTC also indicated

[1:45:07] Planner Eggen (probable): their interest in contracting a consultant to undertake some

[1:45:12] Planner Eggen (probable): portion of the project. And I'll just turn your attention to page 2 of the

[1:45:18] Planner Eggen (probable): staff report and page 37 of the agenda where you'll find a table that provides a bit of a summary of

[1:45:28] Planner Eggen (probable): options available to the ltc in terms of involving consultants

[1:45:36] Planner Eggen (probable): and from option one to two to three you'll see the level of consultant involvement increases

[1:45:45] Planner Eggen (probable): So, just starting with option one, something that is available to the LTC to do is to contract

[1:46:03] Planner Eggen (probable): a consultant for First Nation engagement only, and in this case staff would be doing public

[1:46:13] Planner Eggen (probable): engagement and relative to the other options it would be minimal with the

[1:46:25] Planner Eggen (probable): involvement of consultants working on public engagement and the other options

[1:46:31] Planner Eggen (probable): the public engagement aspect would be more robust for example in

[1:46:39] Voice 3: option

[1:46:41] Planner Eggen (probable): one in

[1:46:43] Planner Eggen (probable): In terms of working groups or APCs, I know before the project was put on hold, there was a specific APC that was providing support to the project.

[1:46:58] Planner Eggen (probable): And I understand that there were working groups, one or two working groups that were starting to come together.

[1:47:09] Planner Eggen (probable): and they were with ministry folks First Nations and NGOs I think they were just

[1:47:20] Planner Eggen (probable): just starting up at that point I can see trustee Roger looking at me sorry I'm

[1:47:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): just trying to remember I know

[1:47:32] Planner Eggen (probable): there was one for forestry and there I think there

[1:47:34] Planner Eggen (probable): There was, and that may be at the staff level.

[1:47:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, I don't remember one for forestry.

[1:47:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): I do remember the one for First Nations.

[1:47:45] Planner Eggen (probable): Okay, so I just wanted to let you know

[1:47:49] Planner Eggen (probable): that we're in this table,

[1:47:52] Planner Eggen (probable): I think we're more meaning the idea of an APC.

[1:47:56] Planner Eggen (probable): I know for Keats, for example, for their shoreline project,

[1:47:59] Planner Eggen (probable): it's called a working group

[1:48:00] Planner Eggen (probable): because the APC wasn't that particular

[1:48:06] Planner Eggen (probable): group or formation wasn't working for keats so they moved to a working group scenario instead

[1:48:12] Planner Eggen (probable): but i think in this case we're talking about a working group really or apc

[1:48:19] Planner Eggen (probable): i will let regional planning manager cower speak to budget and timelines

[1:48:28] Planner Eggen (probable): lines um and in all three options staff are expecting that discussion papers would come

[1:48:36] Planner Eggen (probable): forward with implementation options on the main topics of interest as listed there and as the ltc

[1:48:45] Planner Eggen (probable): has provided so far option two would for example the ltc could contract consultant for first nation

[1:48:56] Planner Eggen (probable): engagement and for public engagement where staff would then be drafting the

[1:49:05] Planner Eggen (probable): OCP document not involved in public engagement mm

[1:49:10] Voice 3: -hmm and

[1:49:11] Planner Eggen (probable): then also in

[1:49:11] Planner Eggen (probable): charge of moving the bylaws through the legislative process and in this case

[1:49:17] Planner Eggen (probable): we're thinking that perhaps there could be more than one group APC or working

[1:49:24] Planner Eggen (probable): group in this case and option three is where the LTC may have may consider a

[1:49:33] Planner Eggen (probable): consultant for First Nation engagement for all of the OCP engagement and

[1:49:40] Planner Eggen (probable): drafting the bylaw and in that case staff would would be just moving forward

[1:49:47] Planner Eggen (probable): with the bylaws through the legislative process and I think I'll just pass that

[1:49:55] Planner Eggen (probable): that over to Regional Planning Manager Cower to provide a few more details from the management

[1:50:02] Planner Eggen (probable): perspective.

[1:50:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, I'm just going to pop in here just to say, APC stands for Advisory Planning

[1:50:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Commission. In case anybody's wondering, go ahead, Regional Planning Manager Cower.

[1:50:17] Yeah, we

[1:50:19] Voice 6: were kind of talking through these scenarios and what the budgets look like. You

[1:50:28] Voice 6: consultant doing everything except for legislative is a typical scenario for other

[1:50:34] Voice 6: local governments. That's what they would normally do is they'd hire a consulting firm and the

[1:50:38] Voice 6: consulting firm would do all the engagement and all the drafting of the document. It's not a

[1:50:46] Voice 6: scenario that we're likely going to repeat as Islands Trust for every LTC who wants to do an

[1:50:54] Voice 6: an OCP update, right? I mean, the budgets just aren't going to be supported. So in the end,

[1:51:01] Voice 6: if this option were chosen, we would assume that they're really coming up with a template OCP

[1:51:09] Voice 6: that could be adopted at every LTC level if they want to. But of course, how much appetite do we

[1:51:17] Voice 6: have? Because the scenario also, I mean, because of the way we're structured, the LTCs all get to

[1:51:24] Voice 6: decide whether or not they want to adopt that. So there's this just kind of investment for the

[1:51:30] Voice 6: return kind of decision to be made on that. And what we're also assuming is that because of the

[1:51:36] Voice 6: budget amount, there would have to be a business case that would go forward to the financial

[1:51:41] Voice 6: planning committee for next year's fiscal budget. I did want to mention the fact that part of the

[1:51:50] Voice 6: the reason we're separating out the First Nations consultation piece is because we had a meeting

[1:51:56] Voice 6: with a senior intergovernmental policy advisor who had recommended to us that, I mean, she sort

[1:52:05] Voice 6: of laid out this idea that if we get First Nations involved in the review of our process,

[1:52:11] Voice 6: there's some budget that would need to be dedicated to that, no matter what, but that

[1:52:19] Voice 6: that there all are consulting firms

[1:52:21] Voice 6: that are experts in First Nations engagement

[1:52:25] Voice 6: and their contracts could include all of the costs

[1:52:29] Voice 6: that are involved in First Nations engagement.

[1:52:32] Voice 6: So we did get a recommendation to use a specific firm

[1:52:39] Voice 6: if we're gonna move forward with that.

[1:52:41] Voice 6: So that's something to consider too.

[1:52:43] Voice 6: So all three of these scenarios, option one, two and three

[1:52:46] Voice 6: assumes some sort of consultant involvement, you know, different levels. We still do have the

[1:52:53] Voice 6: option of having it be staff only. And in the framework of the LPS renewal, we have been

[1:53:02] Voice 6: thinking about projects in terms of that are staff only to be minor projects or major projects.

[1:53:10] Voice 6: And the minor and major framework is kind of twofold.

[1:53:16] Voice 6: It's one has to do with the scope of the project, the number of topics that are being covered.

[1:53:22] Voice 6: You know, we would consider a rewrite of a comprehensive plan from scratch to be a major project in terms just in terms of the workload.

[1:53:33] Voice 6: Whereas if we were just dealing with forestry, that might still be sort of minor in nature.

[1:53:38] Voice 6: There's less work involved in writing that document. But there's another aspect of it, which is public engagement. And, you know, a minor public engagement process is one in which we're really just meeting the minimum requirements in terms of legislated bylaw referral and public hearing.

[1:54:01] Voice 6: hearing. And that's a minor public engagement process that could still be applied to a document

[1:54:08] Voice 6: where that has had a lot of work done on it versus a major public engagement process that includes

[1:54:16] Voice 6: multiple months, years, multiple events, people involved, that sort of thing. So in addition to

[1:54:26] Voice 6: these three options that include consultants, there's also this sort of these two other things

[1:54:31] Voice 6: which is staff only projects that are minor or major in nature and it really is mostly to do

[1:54:40] Voice 6: with the public engagement piece um so i that's i kind of wanted to fill that out a little bit

[1:54:46] Voice 6: thank

[1:54:47] Trustee Fast (probable): you very much regional planning manager crown uh trustee rogers i can't see you trustee

[1:54:54] Trustee Fast (probable): stamford so if you've got your hand up

[1:54:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm gonna put my hand up electronically i'm having technical

[1:54:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): issues okay again so i just wanted

[1:55:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): to make sure

[1:55:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): you were still with us go ahead trustee rogers

[1:55:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): do

[1:55:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): you want to speak first kate louise or should i no

[1:55:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): go ahead i

[1:55:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): i i want to start with a question

[1:55:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): um did staff come away from our meeting in february thinking that the ltc preferred consultants

[1:55:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): consultants

[1:55:27] Voice 6: not necessarily no no

[1:55:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay because I must admit I was surprised by this whole report

[1:55:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): because normally I would think that that you know staff would go away and say okay what can we do

[1:55:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): and what we can't we do and what do we need consultants on and what don't we need consultants

[1:55:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): on here's the budget and and and then come back to the LTC and say this is what we think will work

[1:55:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): and this is what we think won't work in terms of utilizing consultants we need this expertise over

[1:56:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): here because we don't have it internally but i i sort of read the report and thought oh my goodness

[1:56:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): they so i went back and watched the the the meeting to see if i i or trustee stamford said

[1:56:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): something that said no no we want consultants involved with this and i think and i actually

[1:56:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): what I said was I'm not trying to take your work away Barney but maybe this needs a consultant

[1:56:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): what it needs um so I'm sort of I mean anyway I'm looking for some personally looking for some

[1:56:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): guidance because I would be totally content if you guys said we want to do this all by ourselves

[1:56:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and and and here's what it would look like because we think the staff should do this and

[1:56:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): And in fact, I sort of imagined that's what the regional planning team was going to do.

[1:56:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): But if you came back and said, we really think we need a First Nations consultant and we need a, I don't know, pick one, a foreshore consultant, I would go, fine, let's go.

[1:57:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): And in fact, and I think there's actually something in the budget specifically about the Gambier OCE review.

[1:57:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's a budget in the budget this year for it.

[1:57:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): I can't remember how much it was, but there was an amount of money that was flagged for it.

[1:57:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): You know how much it was?

[1:57:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): It was $4,000.

[1:57:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): No, no, no, no, no.

[1:57:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): Really?

[1:57:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): I thought there was something.

[1:57:26] Voice 6: Okay, no, I think you're right.

[1:57:28] Voice 6: I think there was another line item that was around $14,000.

[1:57:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): It was like more substantive than that.

[1:57:36] Voice 6: Right, yeah, right.

[1:57:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): Then just the $4,000, there was an amount flagged because this was.

[1:57:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): so yeah you know i'm good with whatever you think you need to work with um i really am

[1:57:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that's sort of my initial reaction and i'm happy for and i and i agree that the the two

[1:57:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): pieces that may be easier to send out to consultants would might be the first nations

[1:58:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): piece and because the senior and our governmental policy advisor is is drawn in a lot of different

[1:58:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): ways right she's she's she has tons of irons in the fire and may not be able to devote a lot of

[1:58:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): time to uh to the actual on the ground work here um so i'm totally fine with that and i could see

[1:58:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): that the public consultation piece might be something you want to to hive off as well because

[1:58:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): that can be a time-consuming piece that somebody else could do um uh more easily than we could do

[1:58:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): internally and and it's and you could be guided by the by trustee stanford who knows her island

[1:58:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): extremely well and would be able to help you with that um anyway that's just sort of my general

[1:58:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): reaction i just wanted to make sure that i hadn't said something that in some way had led you to

[1:58:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): believe that i didn't want you guys to do this work but i wanted consultants um i i love i think

[1:59:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): the work you do is great so can

[1:59:03] Voice 6: i go ahead i'll just i know trustee stanford wants to speak but i

[1:59:07] Voice 6: i do just want to follow up on what uh trustee rogers said so my my opinion my professional

[1:59:14] Voice 6: opinion about this is that this work could totally be done by staff that the writing of the bylaw

[1:59:21] Voice 6: and the processing of the bylaw through legislation totally doable so the piece that is

[1:59:28] Voice 6: is up in the air is the public engagement part of it. And our staff are very skilled and educated

[1:59:36] Voice 6: and trained on writing bylaws, but not as much on public engagement. So there's that aspect of it,

[1:59:45] Voice 6: but the public engagement piece is kind of the political piece. It's really what you want to

[1:59:52] Voice 6: to see happen. So, for instance, when Trustee Stanford says she, what I've heard is she said

[1:59:58] Voice 6: she thinks maybe multiple.

[2:00:00] Voice 6: working groups would be a good idea that is in my opinion that's unwieldy for staff like if you're

[2:00:07] Voice 6: just having one staff person who's working on this entire project facilitating multiple working

[2:00:13] Voice 6: groups is a lot it's a lot of it's a lot more or it's it's more work than just doing one for

[2:00:21] Voice 6: for instance, and it's not legislatively necessary. So that's really kind of the piece

[2:00:31] Voice 6: that we're not sure about because it's so local and it's so up to the trustees as to how much

[2:00:39] Voice 6: public engagement, what kind of public engagement you think is necessary. I personally think you can

[2:00:47] Voice 6: can still do really good public engagement in a short period of time. You know, I mean, if you

[2:00:54] Voice 6: and this is how I've been thinking about it, we could have this document completely rewritten for

[2:00:59] Voice 6: you in six months and bring it to you for first reading in six months, we could absolutely do

[2:01:05] Voice 6: that. And then we would have a 60 day referral period. And that referral period could include

[2:01:10] Voice 6: a number of different kinds of public engagement activities. You know, we could have a survey and

[2:01:15] Voice 6: And we could have flyers that go out.

[2:01:17] Voice 6: We could do a mailing every single week.

[2:01:19] Voice 6: But you're choosing to just have it all in one short period, as opposed to having multiple

[2:01:25] Voice 6: community events or community meetings that span over the course of a year.

[2:01:33] Voice 6: So that's the piece.

[2:01:35] Voice 6: Yeah, my professional opinion is you can have a really good document and end up with a really

[2:01:40] Voice 6: a document and make the community feel heard with a tight process you can still do that

[2:01:50] Voice 6: but it's up to you okay thank

[2:01:54] Trustee Fast (probable): you heather and uh i'd like to hear from uh trustee stanford

[2:01:58] Trustee Fast (probable): i see your hand is up are you there yeah i am here um um yeah

[2:02:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah. I think we've had so many conversations about this, Heather, that I'm getting mixed in

[2:02:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): the details. I feel that I've always thought in terms of the regional planning group saying,

[2:02:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): here is a template for how we'd like to move forward on OCPs. And I thought that Gambier

[2:02:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): was a good starting point, partially because we don't have, and I'm speaking from my own perspective

[2:02:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): here, is we don't, we're not as invested in our official community plan as maybe other more

[2:02:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): developed islands are. So that you could very, to me, I think it's a good strategy to have

[2:02:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): have a tight document brought forward in six months for first reading and then go out for

[2:03:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): consultation, have a working group. I don't, I'm not comfortable with the advisory planning

[2:03:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): committee format only because we cannot fill the positions according to the legal regulations

[2:03:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): around those we really struggle with that uh representation uh just because of the makeup

[2:03:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): of our community so that's the only reason i was looking at a working group it just gives us more

[2:03:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): flexibility the only reason i said multiple working groups it doesn't have to be at the

[2:03:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): same time but just a specific topic might be able to engage different people um i really want to see

[2:03:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): the um as we talked about i think it was at the um the regional planning committee um where we

[2:03:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): had a more a workshop style discussion and i was like we're using the ocp to try and solve a problem

[2:04:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): and and it's almost like this is the side issue because we still haven't we won't solve the

[2:04:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): problem with the official community plan that's just the beginning of it so this is kind of where

[2:04:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): where I'm like, okay, let's just do the OCP and then get to the meat of this, which is really

[2:04:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): the land use bylaws and, you know, the overall direction that that can help solve our

[2:04:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): difficulties. So that's, am I making sense? Or am I meandering too much? I don't know.

[2:04:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): Hey, Kate Louise, I have a question.

[2:04:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Sue Ellen here.

[2:04:39] Trustee Fast (probable): What is this problem that you're talking about to solve the problem?

[2:04:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay so when we're the challenges we're having is more around how forestry fits on gambier

[2:04:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): and it keeps coming up that we don't have the appropriate wording maybe we don't have the focus

[2:04:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's required in order to um respond to concerns from the community about where forestry is going

[2:05:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): on the island so the official community plan does need to be reviewed uh it's old it's not

[2:05:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): appropriate for this day and age um and that's how i i saw it is this is let's do it tight do it

[2:05:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): simple public engagement don't worry about mail outs so much unless it's legislatively required

[2:05:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): required but focus on email electronic engagement this this particular island does not have the

[2:05:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): ability to get together in any real sense so they can get together in small groups but there's no

[2:05:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): opportunity for a full island single engagement process other than electronically

[2:05:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): electronically um so that's that's what i'm i'm thinking i don't have an opinion on whether um

[2:06:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): consultants are better or not i'd rather you tell us what you um think would work for our scenario

[2:06:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): and for what i thought was a goal of using this as a template for official community plans going

[2:06:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): going forward um that's sort of what I'm I'm thinking of so

[2:06:30] Trustee Fast (probable): you're not in favor of one

[2:06:32] Trustee Fast (probable): particular option over another you're more in favor of uh hearing from staff about the issues

[2:06:39] Trustee Fast (probable): that you brought up is that right well

[2:06:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): I I'm I would rather it whatever they think is best to

[2:06:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): get the work done so I was initially unfortunately I can't look at my package anymore and usually

[2:06:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): we have the package on the screen which i think for our meetings would be helpful would you like

[2:07:00] Voice 3: somebody

[2:07:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): to put it up kate louise yeah um i was thinking option two but you know it wasn't

[2:07:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): anything that i was particularly stuck on i do like the idea of of carving off the first

[2:07:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): nations engagement just for simplicity's sake um engagement with the community um

[2:07:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): And yeah, I totally understand why you would want somebody else to handle that. It doesn't have to be as in-depth as it would be on, say, an island like Gabriola or Salt Spring.

[2:07:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): um it could be far more simple and and as we're going through the the COVID scenario

[2:07:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): learning to use zoom there's opportunities here and there's also the challenges that we're trying

[2:07:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): to to work around how engagement would work so um yeah I've always felt that this would be a more

[2:07:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): simple process engagement doesn't have to be complex for this island it just has to be

[2:08:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): electronic um and keep in mind 85 of our population this is this is a recreational property

[2:08:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): so they're not as invested in specific community uh directions as they would be um if it was a

[2:08:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): community of full-time people the only other thing i want to add is i was a little thrown by a

[2:08:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): a conversation I had with our Mark Hiltz at a meeting last week in that he was encouraging

[2:08:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): attendees, island attendees to participate in the official community plan process that was

[2:08:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): actually happening right now. So I had to pull back a little bit and explain it hadn't started

[2:08:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): And that his focus said, talk about your docs. And there is an opportunity and a challenge in that the SCRD may be doing a doc review. And it does have obvious planning land use component to it. And I don't know how those two, how the two organizations mesh.

[2:09:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): so that's the only other thing i'd like to add so

[2:09:24] Trustee Fast (probable): that might be something

[2:09:25] Trustee Fast (probable): to worth following up

[2:09:26] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you trustee stamford and uh just note that uh planner debenia has put up her uh thank you

[2:09:33] Trustee Fast (probable): issue there and if you could scroll uh jamie to the next page the one with the options across

[2:09:39] Trustee Fast (probable): i think that might help us yeah does that help yeah thank you because the the recommendation

[2:09:47] Trustee Fast (probable): was up on the early one in it it is just asking that the local trust committee

[2:09:54] Trustee Fast (probable): requests staff to pursue one of these as part of the project and I think we've

[2:10:01] Trustee Fast (probable): got some good feedback coming for staff but Heather yeah

[2:10:05] Voice 6: I just did to follow up

[2:10:06] Voice 6: on what trustee Stanford was talking about so I think we have heard and I was

[2:10:10] Voice 6: at this regional planning committee meeting so I heard trustee Sanford

[2:10:14] Voice 6: talking about this I think we've really heard that forestry is a big part of this and one of

[2:10:20] Voice 6: the thoughts we would is that we would we would focus on that and have some educational materials

[2:10:25] Voice 6: that could go out to the community no matter what we do um we would be developing a discussion paper

[2:10:32] Voice 6: and we would make sure that the forestry issue is kind of front and center um so so we have some

[2:10:40] Voice 6: ideas about how to do that. In terms of public engagement, it's really good to hear that

[2:10:49] Voice 6: feedback. You know, one of the things that we have been trying to puzzle out is if this is truly a

[2:10:57] Voice 6: pilot, what aspect of it is a pilot? You know, like it is worth spending some more money on some

[2:11:04] Voice 6: aspect of this if that aspect of it is really truly a pilot for other projects and we're saving

[2:11:11] Voice 6: money and saving time and efficiencies, right? First Nations engagement might be that piece

[2:11:17] Voice 6: because, you know, the goal would be to come up with language and suggestions for our document

[2:11:25] Voice 6: that we could translate to other documents

[2:11:29] Voice 6: as we move forward.

[2:11:33] Voice 6: But again, yeah, we can do this.

[2:11:35] Voice 6: We as staff can do this and knowing that,

[2:11:39] Voice 6: I mean, hearing that feedback

[2:11:40] Voice 6: about the public engagement is helpful.

[2:11:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you.

[2:11:44] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm gonna chime in just because all I have to say

[2:11:47] Trustee Fast (probable): at this point really is my question was about

[2:11:50] Trustee Fast (probable): the consultant for First Nation engagement

[2:11:52] Trustee Fast (probable): engagement and and uh was that the best thing so hearing that you had met with our senior

[2:11:58] Trustee Fast (probable): intergovernmental policy advisor with lisa and that she had sort of recommended this approach

[2:12:04] Trustee Fast (probable): that made me put a big check mark beside that that's good and um i think it's really up to

[2:12:10] Trustee Fast (probable): um staff to determine whether there's a an advantage in going one way or the other uh

[2:12:17] Trustee Fast (probable): in terms of being a case study

[2:12:21] Trustee Fast (probable): or being a template kind of thing,

[2:12:25] Trustee Fast (probable): that's a management decision that I don't know

[2:12:27] Trustee Fast (probable): if we trustees at the local level can help with.

[2:12:30] Trustee Fast (probable): That's just my point of view.

[2:12:31] Trustee Fast (probable): And over to you, Trustee Rogers.

[2:12:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): Chair, just two things I wanted to say.

[2:12:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): One is we're talking about, of course, the OCP,

[2:12:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): not the land use bylaw,

[2:12:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): But there are a number of LTCs in the southern area that have actually incorporated a bunch of First Nation recognition language into their OCPs without doing a sort of fulsome review of the, in my understanding, of the other aspects of the OCP.

[2:13:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): They just focused on that. And I know it's, you know, it's a few paragraphs long, but my understanding is that the senior governmental policy advisor was intimately involved in generating that language.

[2:13:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm guessing probably we're doing, you know, we're going to do something more fulsome than that, but some of that work's already been done.

[2:13:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I hope, I assume you're aware of that.

[2:13:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): um the second thing is is you know given what trustee stamford chair fast and myself have said

[2:13:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): um i guess the question is is uh what do you what what what kind of a decision would you like

[2:13:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): from us i i agree entirely with trustee stamford is is um except for electronically it's it's very

[2:13:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): difficult to engage the whole island i mean there's you know there's three or four or five

[2:14:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): pockets of of groups of people we could go and physically go and talk to but we're not talking

[2:14:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): to anybody right now no we're not going visiting anybody so um that's not going to happen at least

[2:14:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the foreseeable future um so i i guess uh i mean we have this budget it's in the budget let's

[2:14:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's assume it's 14,000 or whatever it is um and what what kind of i think you've heard from

[2:14:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): the trustees we'd like to take your guidance on what you need to spend money on um do you need

[2:14:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): any decision from us about any of this i mean if so tell us and we'll try and make it so yeah i

[2:14:44] Voice 6: guess my response is what i'm hearing is that you're okay with a staff-driven process um for

[2:14:51] Voice 6: for the most part, that the LTC isn't particularly married

[2:14:57] Voice 6: to the idea of a huge public engagement process or program.

[2:15:03] Voice 6: And that makes it more doable for staff.

[2:15:05] Voice 6: I think what we would be inclined to do,

[2:15:08] Voice 6: I mean, I think the next steps either way

[2:15:10] Voice 6: is to draft a project charter for you.

[2:15:12] Voice 6: And at this point, from what I'm hearing,

[2:15:16] Voice 6: I'm inclined to still go back

[2:15:18] Voice 6: and do a little bit of research

[2:15:20] Voice 6: on the First Nations consultation piece

[2:15:23] Voice 6: and see if there's an appetite to have consultants

[2:15:28] Voice 6: or not at this kind of a senior management level.

[2:15:32] Voice 6: Do we think that's a good way to go forward?

[2:15:37] Voice 6: I'm not hearing a lot of appetite

[2:15:38] Voice 6: for option two or option three.

[2:15:42] Voice 6: And that's fine too.

[2:15:43] Voice 6: So I think we'll likely come back to you

[2:15:47] Voice 6: or this is what I'm kind of hearing

[2:15:49] Voice 6: is that the inclination is to come back to you

[2:15:52] Voice 6: with a project charter that is mostly staff driven,

[2:15:57] Voice 6: may or may not include a consultant

[2:15:59] Voice 6: for First Nations consultation

[2:16:00] Voice 6: based on more information that we need to gather.

[2:16:05] Voice 6: Yeah, I

[2:16:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): think that that's a good statement.

[2:16:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): In terms of seeing this as a quote unquote pilot,

[2:16:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): It would be the idea that you are creating a template with a short period of time that could be used and played out without getting into a consultant for engagement.

[2:16:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): I just want to caution that engagement is quite a specific skill, even if it is not at a huge level, but that the type of engagement is important, if not the extent of it.

[2:16:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I'm not requiring a lot, but that it is friendly and appropriate and and communications heavy in that it's got that that that language, the non-planner language, I guess, is what I'm suggesting.

[2:17:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that would be the only other thing. And and and electronic, right?

[2:17:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, definitely electronic. And another suggestion is look at what Whistler came up with as far as their OCP. That was only recently passed over the last couple of years after, you know, 15 years of sitting, waiting for appropriate language for around First Nations. So there might be some symmetry there with their language.

[2:17:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): which

[2:17:41] Trustee Fast (probable): it's it's sue ellen here i'm gonna um put myself on the list are you finished there

[2:17:46] Trustee Fast (probable): trustee yes i am

[2:17:47] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you um i just wanted to say i like what i'm hearing there uh heather in

[2:17:53] Trustee Fast (probable): terms of the uh do a little more thinking or inquiring around uh consultant for first nation

[2:18:01] Trustee Fast (probable): engagement because there's a whole relationship building part of that and uh i you know through

[2:18:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Through my husband and I's company, we sometimes go to far-flung places and are asked to take on First Nations engagement parts.

[2:18:20] Trustee Fast (probable): And the challenge is it's a relationship building and the First Nation doesn't necessarily want to invest in really building a relationship with a consultant, whereas they might.

[2:18:35] Trustee Fast (probable): and it might be good for the long term with the agency the land use planning agency not that

[2:18:42] Trustee Fast (probable): that's what our stuff was more interpretation and heritage interpretation anyway that's outside of

[2:18:52] Trustee Fast (probable): it but just I'm glad you're keeping that open and you're going to do a little more thinking about

[2:18:55] Trustee Fast (probable): that do you need any do we need to do any more decision making about this or we do staff have

[2:19:01] Trustee Fast (probable): what they need from the uh trustees at this point we

[2:19:06] Planner Eggen (probable): do have a resolution from last meeting to

[2:19:10] Planner Eggen (probable): uh request staff bring back uh project charter budget and timeline um where is that

[2:19:19] Planner Eggen (probable): previous meeting yeah previous it's also on the previous page yeah there we go um

[2:19:26] Planner Eggen (probable): that could stand or should the ltc want to provide something in terms of

[2:19:33] Planner Eggen (probable): uh how they've been discussing consultation today they could do that as well otherwise

[2:19:42] Planner Eggen (probable): i'm looking at heather there yeah

[2:19:44] Voice 6: i mean i yeah we have this motion and i think um if what i've

[2:19:48] Voice 6: described is the general feel i think we i could think we could we could stand with this and we

[2:19:55] Voice 6: don't need another motion yeah

[2:19:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): i'm looking at that and that's comfortable i guess the only other

[2:20:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): the thing that we haven't really included is i'm just thinking about the docs i just don't know how

[2:20:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): it all fits into this and um how it fits in with the scrd process so i'm going to leave that for

[2:20:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): now uh it'll probably just come up naturally i think we do mention it somewhere in the documentation

[2:20:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): um that docs are priority but this this works for me right now okay

[2:20:27] Trustee Fast (probable): very good you're okay to

[2:20:30] Trustee Fast (probable): to then, I'm not seeing Trustee Rogers hand up.

[2:20:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Good, I see a thumb up.

[2:20:36] Trustee Fast (probable): So I think we might have concluded

[2:20:38] Trustee Fast (probable): this part of the agenda then

[2:20:41] Trustee Fast (probable): with the input and the good conversation.

[2:20:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, everybody.

[2:20:44] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm think that we're now at 1252.

[2:20:48] Trustee Fast (probable): We had scheduled a break for one o'clock

[2:20:51] Trustee Fast (probable): unless we think that keeps shoreline discussion

[2:20:54] Trustee Fast (probable): can be had in under 10 minutes.

[2:20:57] Trustee Fast (probable): um shall we break early for lunch and uh and come back at 1 20 it's my proposal yeah that works

[2:21:06] Trustee Fast (probable): very good okay so then we'll return at 1 20 uh and begin on uh the keats shoreline protection

[2:21:14] Trustee Fast (probable): project okay thank you everybody

[2:21:16] Trustee Fast (probable): thanks very much very good

[2:48:59] Trustee Fast (probable): trustee stamford are you there yes i am very good then let's reconvene the meeting of the

[2:49:07] Trustee Fast (probable): gambier local trust committee gambier island and uh and keith's local trust committee meeting and

[2:49:14] Trustee Fast (probable): we'll commit uh recommence on item 9.3 page 96 of our agenda and uh take it away planner

[2:49:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Debena unmute

[2:49:35] Voice 5: button thank you chair um so this is a staff report presenting draft bylaw number 153

[2:49:43] Voice 5: to amend the keats island official community plan or ocp to establish a new shoreline development

[2:49:49] Voice 5: permit area or dpa as well draft bylaw number 154 to amend the keats island lag news bylaw

[2:49:57] Voice 5: that would include new shoreline dpa guidelines and amend regulations for marine structures

[2:50:03] Voice 5: uh just bear with me here okay um so uh the ltc at the february 4th um ltc meeting had directed

[2:50:17] Voice 5: staff to include steep or hazardous slope areas at three locations within this dpa

[2:50:24] Voice 5: and these locations are shown on figure one of page 99 just going to get to that here

[2:50:33] Voice 5: So staff have been in contact with the mapping department and the stress mapping department to discuss using lidar mapping, which can be used.

[2:50:44] Voice 5: However, the parameters of what a steep slope is or how to identify it needs to be provided to the mapping department.

[2:50:53] Voice 5: department. So for example, highlighting slopes that are 30% or more. This information would only

[2:51:03] Voice 5: just narrow down steep slopes. An assessment by a professional would be required to ascertain whether

[2:51:08] Voice 5: those areas have potential for slope instability or erosion hazards. So staff have discussed that

[2:51:14] Voice 5: in the staff report. Should the LTC resolve to include steep slopes in this development permit

[2:51:21] Voice 5: area. And an amendment to the project charter would be required. Mapping and text description

[2:51:27] Voice 5: of the location of the DPA would likely need to be adjusted as currently the upland area

[2:51:34] Voice 5: of the DPA is measured 7.5 meters from the natural boundary. So that may need to be

[2:51:42] Voice 5: considered again. Staff have noted that there is a guideline that speaks to steep slopes and

[2:51:49] Voice 5: bluffs it's guideline d in the draft bylaw number 154 um staff could come back with different

[2:51:56] Voice 5: wording if this does not satisfy the local trust committee um there's a brief overview of how the

[2:52:03] Voice 5: sunshine coast regional district uh processes uh applications for dwellings um which staff

[2:52:11] Voice 5: included just as information um and stuff i've also noted that an alternative could be that the

[2:52:17] Voice 5: local trust committee include a hazardous slope dpa as a separate project um so that's an option

[2:52:25] Voice 5: and then just another topic of issue if you will in this in the staff report is um about requiring

[2:52:34] Voice 5: um development permits for the permitted structures um within the step back from the

[2:52:40] Voice 5: natural boundary of the sea which is i'm just going to get to that section so it's it's just

[2:52:45] Voice 5: here subsection 2.73 of the land use bylaws so there's a number of structures that are currently

[2:52:51] Voice 5: permitted in the setback and staff had originally included these structures as requiring a development

[2:52:58] Voice 5: permit within that development permit area um the local trust committee had stated they required

[2:53:03] Voice 5: further contemplation on on whether to exempt or include these structures so staff have presented

[2:53:09] Voice 5: presented an alternate which is to amend this regulation as staff consider it fairly generous

[2:53:15] Voice 5: compared to other islands just a quick example is ruxton island which allows one platform of

[2:53:22] Voice 5: five square meters in area and only one set of stairs or one walkway the keats regulation

[2:53:29] Voice 5: doesn't specify the size or how many other than the platform regulation for 10 square meters in

[2:53:38] Voice 5: total so um staff just have noted that these are just options that could be pursued um and just

[2:53:50] Voice 5: further just i just wanted to point out another issue identified so staff have noted in the staff

[2:53:58] Voice 5: report the comments were received by the island stress senior intergovernmental policy advisor

[2:54:02] Voice 5: that recommends increasing the setback for the natural boundary to increase protection of both

[2:54:07] Voice 5: cultural areas and obviously the natural environment so staff have this has been

[2:54:13] Voice 5: consideration for the ltc um as part of the keats shoreline protection project to increase the

[2:54:19] Voice 5: natural boundary but direction was not to do so so this option remains available to the local

[2:54:25] Voice 5: trust committee and um were the ltc to direct staff to increase the setback then this would

[2:54:32] Voice 5: would likely require amending the shoreline DPA

[2:54:34] Voice 5: to align with that regulation.

[2:54:37] Voice 5: And so finally, I'll just get to my recommendation here

[2:54:41] Voice 5: on the first page, which is not the first page

[2:54:44] Voice 5: of the agenda, page 96, right, of the agenda package.

[2:54:53] Voice 5: Staff are recommending that the draft bylaws

[2:54:55] Voice 5: be forwarded to Squamish Nation and Tsleil-Waututh Nation

[2:54:59] Voice 5: for early review and comment.

[2:55:00] Voice 5: And so if we're not recommending first reading in anticipation of any potential comments or amendments that result from Squamish or Slippertooth responding, as Trustee Rogers alluded to earlier in the meeting, staff and Trustee Rogers met with Squamish Nation staff who have expressed interest in reviewing projects and draft or proposed bylaws.

[2:55:23] Voice 5: however this may be a new process for them and to ensure that they have you

[2:55:29] Voice 5: know the amount of time they need to review and comment staffer presenting

[2:55:33] Voice 5: the draft by last day but not recommending that they receive first

[2:55:38] Voice 5: reading and alternates to this recommendation include amending or

[2:55:46] Voice 5: first first reading thank you I'll take questions sorry

[2:55:56] Trustee Fast (probable): questions for the

[2:55:57] Trustee Fast (probable): planner i

[2:56:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): have a few and but i don't want to i don't want to jump in front of trustee stanford

[2:56:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): if she wishes to start oh

[2:56:08] Trustee Fast (probable): jump ahead go ahead please trustee rogers all

[2:56:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): right thank you um

[2:56:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i'd like to do a couple of things with you uh planner to benham is which is um i want to walk

[2:56:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): a walk through uh the two bylaws a couple places where i want to ask some questions and then i want

[2:56:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): to go through the staff report on both your hazardous tools um but and also on the issue

[2:56:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): of structures uh and ask a couple of questions and just have a conversation about that but my um

[2:56:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): my my first question is let me say two things one is i'm totally fine with not giving a first

[2:56:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): reading and i think we should not um the second thing that i wanted to ask is um there's nothing

[2:57:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the uh that so far in the sort of the the appendix to uh bylaw 154 about um

[2:57:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): cultural heritage and and cultural sites and i wondered whether that's because you're going to

[2:57:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're going to wait until the consultation with the first nations uh or whether you think that's

[2:57:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): this is an inappropriate place to put that sort of information uh requirements in terms of of that

[2:57:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): and or what you're thinking or what the thinking is around sure

[2:57:38] Voice 5: thank you um so through the chair

[2:57:40] Voice 5: um so development permit areas are not used to protect cultural heritage that's a heritage

[2:57:47] Voice 5: conservation area so that's an alternative option um or an option that could also

[2:57:53] Voice 5: be included alongside a development permit area there and yeah there could be options or

[2:58:04] Voice 5: possibility of including some sort of wording once we receive a comment from Squamish or

[2:58:08] Voice 5: Tsleil-Waututh or other nations but you know the development permit areas are very specific in the

[2:58:14] Voice 5: Local Government Act of how they're to be used and they currently don't protect heritage cultural

[2:58:22] Voice 5: cultural heritage so

[2:58:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): i i mean i just sort of struck by some of the ironies of that

[2:58:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): and and this process is that we're we're going to do a a um hopefully comprehensive

[2:58:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): referral process with the local first nations and while that there's no doubt that their

[2:58:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): stream will be very interested in the environmental protection issues

[2:58:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): issues, I'm going to suggest that they're also equally importantly interested in protection

[2:58:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): of heritage areas. And we now have, I gather, and yes, we did have the suggestion that we might

[2:59:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): want to increase the setback from seven and a half to 15. I don't think in that last conversation

[2:59:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): that it was mentioned that that had been recommended by the senior intergovernmental

[2:59:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): policy advisor um i think it was more uh a trying to get us standardized with other local trust

[2:59:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): areas which have larger setbacks than we do um if we create a bigger dpa because we're so we're

[2:59:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're all by by definition if we do it cultural areas we're sort of mixing in the heritage

[2:59:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): cultural stuff so not sure what the answer to all that is i'm just sort of flagging that i

[2:59:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): I, you know, I have some concerns about this and if we're just simply going to keep it with environmental issues, then that's what I'll focus on.

[3:00:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): but I'm going to guess we're going to get feedback from the first nations

[3:00:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): related to preservation of heritage resources, which is also,

[3:00:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): is also very important. So I don't know if you've had any,

[3:00:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): do you have any thoughts about that?

[3:00:13] Voice 5: Yeah. I mean,

[3:00:15] Voice 5: the project direction at this point has was at the beginning was quite open

[3:00:20] Voice 5: and broad. So, you know,

[3:00:22] Voice 5: the discussion paper that was presented to the LTC in last year discussed,

[3:00:27] Voice 5: you know, options and perhaps didn't,

[3:00:32] Voice 5: discuss the option of doing more than one of those options which could be you know a dpa or

[3:00:37] Voice 5: heritage conservation area so um at this point staff sort of has leaned towards protecting the

[3:00:42] Voice 5: environment but of course um under you know you know with our hopes of increasing relationships

[3:00:50] Voice 5: or improving relationships and increasing engagement with first nations perhaps it's

[3:00:55] Voice 5: you know time to rethink um the heritage conservation areas as well yeah

[3:01:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's awkward

[3:01:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): word that they're separate yeah

[3:01:06] Voice 5: and

[3:01:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): of course we do have the heritage mapping project that's

[3:01:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): you know ongoing within the trust or at least has been approved i don't know if it started but

[3:01:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's going to be a process that unfolds over the next year to 18 months i'm guessing

[3:01:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and uh you know that would apply to keats as well as anywhere else and that may be a more

[3:01:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): more orderly orderly way to go about developing a heritage conservation area for a variety of

[3:01:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): places not just keys i don't know i see the i see the rpm has turned her camera on yeah she

[3:01:47] Trustee Fast (probable): turned her camera on she didn't put her hand up but would you

[3:01:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): like to say

[3:01:50] Trustee Fast (probable): something heather or

[3:01:51] Trustee Fast (probable): you just yeah

[3:01:53] Voice 6: you know um just to add to what jamie was saying i think in the conversations

[3:01:58] Voice 6: with the senior, the SEPA, with Lisa, she understood that a DPA can't legislatively

[3:02:06] Voice 6: cover heritage issues. However, she thought that there are things that DPAs can do that still,

[3:02:15] Voice 6: like, peripherally help First Nations issues, and that increasing a setback is one of those things,

[3:02:23] Voice 6: because it protects more of the area and you know minimizing docks and those kinds of things

[3:02:30] Voice 6: so that was one of her comments about this in particular but I also take your comment about

[3:02:37] Voice 6: the heritage conservation areas I think the trust is planning on developing conservation mapping and

[3:02:44] Voice 6: the and that could be something that the LTC could consider later yeah

[3:02:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): and just so I'm clear

[3:02:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): a bit before i lose this thought in my head is your suggestion to increase the area of the dpa

[3:03:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): from seven and a half or your is your area is your suggestion to increase the setback from the sea

[3:03:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): from seven because they're different

[3:03:10] Voice 5: yeah so the suggestion i mean so the suggestion is that if

[3:03:14] Voice 5: the setback from the natural boundary of the sea was increased then the shoreline dpa upland area

[3:03:22] Voice 5: should at least align with the setback um the dpa can still go further than what the setback is from

[3:03:30] Voice 5: the natural boundary but that was sort of something that

[3:03:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): that that was my question is

[3:03:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): clearly clearly we could have maintained a seven and a half meter setback um but you could have a

[3:03:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): 15 or 30 or whatever meter dpa so people would be entitled to build a house they just have to do

[3:03:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): certain or build a structure uh they'd have to do certain things but if you increase the setback

[3:03:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): then they wouldn't be entitled unless they got a variance and so i didn't know

[3:04:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): which one you were

[3:04:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): which way you were approaching this idea from

[3:04:09] Voice 5: all of those angles

[3:04:12] so

[3:04:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): i don't want to dominate this conversation but i have a few points to make related to the

[3:04:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): actual bylaws and then the structures but i don't want to exclude the other trustees and so

[3:04:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): So Madam Chair, do you want me to keep going

[3:04:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): or how do you want me to proceed?

[3:04:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, I'll just say a couple of things at this point.

[3:04:31] Trustee Fast (probable): I had a couple of questions relating

[3:04:33] Trustee Fast (probable): to what you're talking about.

[3:04:35] Trustee Fast (probable): So thank you for bringing that up, Trustee Rogers,

[3:04:38] Trustee Fast (probable): because I wondered about whether in the long term,

[3:04:44] Trustee Fast (probable): we might be thinking about the heritage mapping project

[3:04:47] Trustee Fast (probable): coming up and that cultural areas,

[3:04:50] Trustee Fast (probable): is dpa or whatever the proper term is for uh protecting culture heritage cultural areas

[3:04:57] Trustee Fast (probable): could follow that sort of as phase two or phase three um because i'm um um i'm also thinking about

[3:05:06] Trustee Fast (probable): the same regarding hazardous slopes i just had a little um uh on this island bowen might have

[3:05:15] Trustee Fast (probable): have nothing to do with it but when you talk when we have several times tried to bring up

[3:05:22] Trustee Fast (probable): hazardous slopes protection it brings another group of stakeholders into the conversation

[3:05:30] Trustee Fast (probable): and I wondered if we wanted to take that risk at this point or treat that as a future phase

[3:05:40] Trustee Fast (probable): phase of shoreline protection as well. But I just wanted to, you know, I kind of

[3:05:48] Trustee Fast (probable): thinking about big projects in terms of phases and who you're consulting. And so I'm, I just

[3:05:57] Trustee Fast (probable): wanted to bring those ideas up. I like the idea of using the heritage mapping. And rather than

[3:06:03] Trustee Fast (probable): trying to put more things in, which might bring more members of the public into the conversation

[3:06:09] Trustee Fast (probable): who didn't know they were in the conversation at this point in the process so that's just my

[3:06:14] Trustee Fast (probable): very general ramblings there but otherwise i'm it's great that to see that the i like the idea

[3:06:20] Trustee Fast (probable): of the early referral and um and i'm gonna pass the floor over to trustee stamford if you've got

[3:06:26] Trustee Fast (probable): anything you want to put in at this point hi

[3:06:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh thanks just so everybody's aware i can either

[3:06:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): look at my package and my notes, or I can participate on video, not both. So I'm just

[3:06:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): looking at the seven and a half meter setback. I'm just really, I know, I think I know the reasons

[3:06:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): why and I wouldn't mind if Trustee Rogers just reviewed them again. But the idea that we're not

[3:06:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): not pulling that setback to a more consistent level with other islands in the trust

[3:07:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's just not sitting well with me I think it's it's going to come up and we have to deal with

[3:07:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): it on Keats but I do understand it's a challenge and on page 91 I think I'm definitely in support

[3:07:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): forward of making those requirements a little tighter and not being so generous with the items

[3:07:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): within the setbacks page

[3:07:36] Trustee Fast (probable): 91 is in the previous agenda item so it must be let's see where that

[3:07:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): oh sorry um yeah no it's on

[3:07:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): page 100 okay okay yeah is that the one yeah let me just go back and

[3:07:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): check um yeah 101 sorry not 91 101 okay okay thank you those are more my comments more than

[3:08:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): anything else okay

[3:08:08] Trustee Fast (probable): and your first question um about the y 7.5 meter setback uh was that you

[3:08:14] Trustee Fast (probable): directed that to trustee rogers is that who you wanted to speak or the planner yeah

[3:08:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): no um i i

[3:08:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think Trustee Rogers knows the reasons

[3:08:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): and I seem to know that.

[3:08:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, I'll just say my guess is,

[3:08:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): because I wasn't around when they developed this

[3:08:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): because it would have come out of the SCRD bylaws

[3:08:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): that preceded the Islands Trust bylaws,

[3:08:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): the seven and a half meters,

[3:08:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that it came for two reasons.

[3:08:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): One is, and I'm not defending,

[3:08:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm just saying these are probably the reasons. The first is probably because that was the standard that a lot of cabins were built under. And so rather than make them all illegal or legal non-conforming, sorry, not illegal, legal non-conforming, they decided that that would be, they would, you know, make that a legal setback.

[3:09:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): the second reason is probably and it will arise from time to time now i was trying to think of

[3:09:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): any waterfront properties that actually weren't built on um and there are a few and they're

[3:09:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): larger uh but all of the small lots that i know of are smaller lots are built on and if you put

[3:09:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): and and in particularly in the case of eastbourne if you had for example like a 30 meter or 20 meter

[3:09:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): setback you'd be pushing them halfway into their property yeah because the lots are so small

[3:09:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and it's and it's a it's a um a historical anomaly from the fact that the that the that

[3:10:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): That all of those waterfront lots on Keats, and in fact, all of the water, not so much on Keats, but the ones that are going to come out of the Keats Landing subdivision, 696, and the ones in Eastbourne are so small, the lots,

[3:10:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): that if you create a scenario where they are they have to have an increased setback from the

[3:10:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the city you're going to make it very difficult for anybody to situate a new house

[3:10:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): on now because all these lots are built on a new house on any of these areas yeah

[3:10:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): um i might

[3:10:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): agree to a big it might be and so that causes me pause for thought uh as to whether i do it

[3:10:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): you know on the bigger lots it's a different issue in my in my mind because uh the ones the

[3:10:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): waterfront lots that are that are larger you could probably put a bigger setback on without

[3:10:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): impacting people's ability to situate a house on but there are

[3:11:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that's sort of my that's that's

[3:11:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): why and i'm happy to have that conversation you'll you'll have people i can't think of any

[3:11:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): any houses and i could be wrong i get corrected by email after i say things but um

[3:11:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh i can't think of any any houses on larger lots that would be actually within

[3:11:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): seven and a half meters of the of the uh the shoreline um but okay

[3:11:36] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you trustee rogers

[3:11:38] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh kate louise coming back to the second part of your um comments could you remind us

[3:11:44] Trustee Fast (probable): one remind me what they were and did you have a question it's

[3:11:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): just more of a comment um the

[3:11:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): consideration that staff um consider subsection 2.7.3 to be generous and consider reducing the

[3:12:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): number of platforms etc etc and um just the way we're structured i'm not entirely

[3:12:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): comfortable jumping in on another island specific scenario but it is part of my role as a trustee

[3:12:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): for this whole area so any way that we can reasonably reduce the impact on the foreshore

[3:12:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): protecting it I think there's going to be a give and take somewhere and having this this small

[3:12:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): all set back and i i do understand why um that we we are more careful with that so thank you

[3:12:43] Trustee Fast (probable): okay so why don't you carry on then trustee rogers thanks

[3:12:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): so what i'd like to do is sort of

[3:12:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): just comment on each of the two draft bylaws um and and have and raise any some a couple of points

[3:12:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'd like to raise here related to them. First under bylaw number 153 and by the way I'll just

[3:13:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): say that you know I was I thought it was quite comprehensive and there was like a lot of

[3:13:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): really good commentary in there for the reason for this and so thank you for that

[3:13:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): to whoever drafted that i assume it was you planner davana and um in the middle of page 107

[3:13:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): under paragraph 1.3 uh part c uh it says the second paragraph says the shoreline dpa is

[3:13:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): designated an area which development for which development approval information and it says

[3:13:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): says may be required. And I was curious as to why that says may rather than shall. And there

[3:13:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): may be a very good reason. So I'm asking the question.

[3:14:01] Voice 5: Thank you. That is wording from the

[3:14:04] Voice 5: rest of the OCP. But it can be amended to say shall, which is obviously a stronger word than

[3:14:10] Voice 5: may. So that's just coming from the other development permit areas that are currently

[3:14:15] Voice 5: currently in the ocp well

[3:14:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): i i guess my question is are there any scenarios i guess is it because

[3:14:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's a may because there's some exceptions is that that is that the reason it says may

[3:14:29] Voice 5: um sure there could be um i'm not gonna i can't list anything off the top of my head

[3:14:33] Voice 5: um i'll just point out that there is currently no development approval information bylaw which

[3:14:38] Voice 5: staff have spoken to in the staff report and the previous staff report so heather was that

[3:14:43] Trustee Fast (probable): that what we were going to say yeah okay

[3:14:46] Voice 5: okay

[3:14:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): i've never

[3:14:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): understood what a development approval

[3:14:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): information bylaw is so someday someone's going to come back to me and tell me what it is so

[3:14:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'll

[3:14:58] Trustee Fast (probable): try i think it just means that staff get to ask for a report from a geotechnical report or a

[3:15:06] Trustee Fast (probable): a biology report or a hydrology report and without that bylaw staff can ask for it but the applicant

[3:15:14] Trustee Fast (probable): doesn't need to produce it how is that that's a good

[3:15:17] Voice 5: summary thank you

[3:15:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): well then you won't get

[3:15:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): your development permit okay

[3:15:27] Voice 5: um i'll just point out that there is a dai bylaw template being

[3:15:32] Voice 5: drafted right now which i believe

[3:15:34] Voice 5: a template for the bylaw is currently being worked on right now

[3:15:39] Voice 5: Heather can probably speak to that a little bit more than I can but we do encourage local trust

[3:15:44] Voice 5: committees to have a DAI bylaw.

[3:15:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Development area information bylaw yeah gotcha thank you.

[3:15:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay I mean I that that's I thank you chair Fass that still doesn't make sense because to me

[3:15:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I'm being dense I'll agree I'll being dense here because if we have a development permit area

[3:16:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): they can't develop until they have a permit so they're going to have to provide the information

[3:16:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): required by the development permit so why do we need a second bylaw to make them give the

[3:16:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): information so i've never understood that and i don't want to distract us with all of that because

[3:16:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): i but anyway if you want to explain it's fine i think

[3:16:23] Voice 6: it would be

[3:16:24] Trustee Fast (probable): good to have that information

[3:16:25] Trustee Fast (probable): heather yeah

[3:16:26] Voice 6: so the local government act is specific that there's that hazardous areas are

[3:16:32] Voice 6: the only kind of development permit area where we are we as staff are authorized to require studies

[3:16:39] Voice 6: unless you have a Development Approval Information By-law.

[3:16:43] Voice 6: And it's all kind of laid out in the Local Government Act.

[3:16:47] Voice 6: So without the DAI, we can't require studies.

[3:16:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[3:16:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): But then they won't get their development permit.

[3:16:59] Voice 6: Well, you can't hold it up.

[3:17:01] Voice 6: The guidelines in your development permit can't require,

[3:17:07] Voice 6: I mean, well, let me back that up a little bit.

[3:17:10] Voice 6: it. Your development permit area guidelines could indicate that you needed certain studies

[3:17:20] Voice 6: that they need to provide a biologist or something like that. But really, the authorization comes

[3:17:27] Voice 6: from your DAI bylaw. And there's some legal concern about just having it in your development

[3:17:37] Voice 6: permit area in terms of studies yeah okay so

[3:17:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): can i jump in go ahead um because we are off track now

[3:17:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): um that my understanding is that it provides clarity to the proponent that this is what

[3:17:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): could be required and it lists um specifics to the expectation for those but anyway you're kind

[3:18:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): of give me a funny look heather so i'm just going to back right out again let's

[3:18:08] Trustee Fast (probable): leave this for now

[3:18:09] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah got the point that there's a little gray area here that needs further exploration and uh

[3:18:16] Trustee Fast (probable): carry on with the uh trustee rogers with your bylaw with your draft

[3:18:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): so if i could go to if i

[3:18:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): could go thank you to page 108 then which is again in the description the background the justification

[3:18:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): clarification, the one, two, three, third full paragraph that starts since the adoption

[3:18:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the OCP, the last sentence there, I would suggest some language that says subdivision

[3:18:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): development of these parcels in combination with the development that has already occurred

[3:19:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): because most of these areas are already developed so i i think so i i don't know do we need motions

[3:19:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): to to amend these draft bylaws given that we're not given in the first reading can we just make

[3:19:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): suggestions or do you actually need motions heather

[3:19:18] Voice 5: i'm gonna defer to heather on that one

[3:19:20] Voice 5: i

[3:19:21] Voice 6: think well it could happen either way jamie can keep just keep track of what you're saying

[3:19:26] Voice 6: and amend the bylaw when it comes back to you yeah because we're not doing a

[3:19:32] Trustee Fast (probable): reading today so

[3:19:32] Trustee Fast (probable): hopefully so if

[3:19:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): everybody's okay with that i would like wording that says in conjunction

[3:19:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): with the development that has already occurred after the word um parcels okay yeah i have a

[3:19:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): question then about the next sentence um it says approximately nine percent of the key shoreline

[3:19:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): was identified as having been structurally altered and it lists a series of things but it doesn't

[3:19:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): reference dogs. I wonder if that's considered to be part of that 9%. Do you know?

[3:20:06] Voice 5: Yeah, so that is coming from the shoreline maps that were done in 2012. That's directly

[3:20:18] Voice 5: coming from that. So to be honest, I'm not sure if that does include dogs. I'd have to go back

[3:20:25] Voice 5: and maybe see i can't remember who did the mapping but uh i know green shores was involved and

[3:20:32] Voice 5: obviously island stress mapping but i could double check if doctors

[3:20:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): can i suggest we we get some

[3:20:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): clarity around that particular statement because thoughts are docks and some sea walls are or

[3:20:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): revetments all of what you want are the most common developments obviously and

[3:20:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): um so my next then i wanted to go to 154 to bylaw 154 um so uh the comments from

[3:21:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): but and again this is on page 113 then and and what what is part of 1.3 but references 2.7.7

[3:21:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh private floats and docks shall not be sighted or extended towards the sea beyond 30 meters to

[3:21:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): the present but national boundary offline parcel that's the point that mr uh phillips was referring

[3:21:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): to um and when i read it i thought oh that's good that makes sense but he's right um plumper

[3:21:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): cove is a shallow bay that their docks go out farther so i think we need to take into consideration

[3:21:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh that they have a different geographic geographic or geological formation and

[3:21:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): situation than for example in eastbourne where it drops right off and so most of the docks um

[3:21:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): they that would be a thing so i don't know how what you would think he he suggested we do it

[3:22:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the low low water mark which might make some sense if we can um if we because that would sort

[3:22:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): of capture although the boundary of the sea is the high mark high water mark so it's a different

[3:22:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): concept i i'm open to but he's right and it will it would cause difficulties for those that are in

[3:22:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): that day so

[3:22:28] Trustee Fast (probable): i have a question trustee rogers are you proposing this uh consideration of dock length

[3:22:33] Trustee Fast (probable): to be specific just to plumper cove well

[3:22:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's the only place i can think of that that would occur

[3:22:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): occur. He indicated it might be other places, but I can't think of any others. And I guess,

[3:22:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): but it certainly is a reality there. And it's possible it might be elsewhere, but I can't

[3:22:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): name any other places. So, but I guess the question is we need to, I think we need to

[3:23:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): address that concern somehow. Okay. Go

[3:23:04] Trustee Fast (probable): ahead. Sorry, Planner Dubenya.

[3:23:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah

[3:23:06] Voice 5: thanks so I mean this is why public engagement during these processes are important

[3:23:10] Voice 5: because there's local knowledge that doesn't always get captured you know from a desktop so

[3:23:16] Voice 5: yeah that's a concern obviously so I guess my question is yeah I mean it's something that

[3:23:23] Voice 5: can definitely be explored if there's a way to measure it from the low tide but I'm just

[3:23:30] Voice 5: wondering having been on a boat through that area does that i don't know how long all of those docks

[3:23:40] Voice 5: and our ramps are would that be an issue for navigation that was one of the main reasons why

[3:23:46] Voice 5: this regulation was suggested suggested but um yeah i guess that's just one

[3:23:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah no it it if they

[3:23:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): they went out too far it certainly would be

[3:23:58] Voice 5: okay and

[3:23:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'd have to go and look at the depth part of

[3:24:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): the um but they certainly some of them certainly extend beyond 30 meters sure okay and and there

[3:24:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): are still two i think hopefully they're getting amended that do actually sit on the seashore the

[3:24:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, I think we just need to look at that and provide for, I don't know, some sort of an alternative, like, unless the area of the dock is less than 10 meters in depth at high tide or something, or sort of not 10 meters, three meters in depth at high tide, and in which case, it would extend from whatever.

[3:24:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): ever right okay

[3:24:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): something like that if that makes sense i think it's a

[3:24:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): reasonable what he says is

[3:24:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): is reasonable um so now and i wanted to also raise where is that section he talked about about

[3:25:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): the small doc the small crowd um

[3:25:10] Voice 5: yeah that is on page um 117 at the bottom uh guideline s

[3:25:17] Voice 5: I'll just get to it

[3:25:18] Voice 5: okay

[3:25:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): well let me I have a few other comments about other

[3:25:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): guidelines before we get to this we'll come okay exemptions to be I have

[3:25:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): concerns about the word alteration in there oh

[3:25:38] Trustee Fast (probable): sorry you're on page 115 115

[3:25:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): I have

[3:25:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): concerns about the, about, about alteration, because I wonder about if they, if they alter, they build it and then they get their approval and then they come in and go, okay, we're going to alter it and then they completely change it.

[3:26:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): Although I do see, say, existing footprint.

[3:26:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): So is that the way we control that?

[3:26:11] Voice 5: Yeah, I'm just rereading this.

[3:26:14] Voice 5: yeah but the the last part of that entirely with an existing footprint is where that

[3:26:23] Voice 5: should ideally address that but you can you know i

[3:26:29] Trustee Fast (probable): have a point about about that what what happens

[3:26:32] Trustee Fast (probable): if they um add lighting or add a storage shed or box um you know for storing floating things that

[3:26:47] Trustee Fast (probable): would blow away or um the gradual adding of roofs and uh that kind of thing would that be

[3:27:00] Trustee Fast (probable): would the existing footprint be enough for that or i just wonder because i see people start to add

[3:27:08] Trustee Fast (probable): things on and uh my question was about lights but anyway maybe you can answer that another

[3:27:17] Trustee Fast (probable): of the time i don't want to interrupt the flow here

[3:27:20] Voice 5: so i through the chair if i can comment the

[3:27:24] Voice 5: existing footprint is maybe it needs to be spelled out better but we would typically think of that as

[3:27:30] Voice 5: like the existing foundation right so yeah i'm not you know for expanding outwards in the sky

[3:27:40] Voice 5: i don't that's something to maybe look into further i see what you're saying

[3:27:44] Trustee Fast (probable): might be the word envelope or something okay anyway

[3:27:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i might consider just making it repair

[3:27:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): and maintenance um and as opposed to alteration because if they decide they're going to quote

[3:27:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): alter it um then maybe they if depending on what it is then maybe they need to reapply for another

[3:28:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): dp um so i mean we'll get as you say we'll get community feedback but i would be inclined to

[3:28:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): say that it just says repair and maintenance all of which is fine i'm good with repair and

[3:28:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): maintenance of course but sure

[3:28:21] Voice 5: okay um

[3:28:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm going down now um i'm not okay i'm on page 117 now

[3:28:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh k can you just sort of describe that for me because i just i read it and i i just thought i

[3:28:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): didn't quite understand it so um yeah

[3:28:48] Voice 5: okay so uh so first of all i think off the top of my head

[3:28:53] Voice 5: breakwaters aren't permitted in keats's bylaw breakwaters

[3:29:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): are considered to be struck structures

[3:29:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): so um and of course they're not permitted below the natural boundary of the scene if you want

[3:29:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): them in the if you want them in the upland within seven and a half meters they're a structure and

[3:29:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): you need a a variance uh to put them there tech that's the way that that's the way i understand

[3:29:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): it worked right yeah so i just didn't know what you meant by dock should be located and designed

[3:29:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): to avoid the need for shore defense works or breakwaters so what what is what why what's that

[3:29:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): that I just don't understand the connection

[3:29:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): between shore defense and docks.

[3:29:44] Voice 5: So I think this guideline is coming from,

[3:29:46] Voice 5: I believe Green Shores recommendations to local governments.

[3:29:50] Voice 5: And I believe it's just speaking to docks being constructed

[3:29:53] Voice 5: in such a way that they don't need to be protected

[3:29:56] Voice 5: by something like shore defense works or breakwaters.

[3:30:00] Voice 5: i think that's where that's going yeah okay

[3:30:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay thank you okay in

[3:30:04] Voice 5: other words build it

[3:30:04] Voice 5: appropriately so it won't need to be protected okay

[3:30:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and then we get to uh s actually no i've

[3:30:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): got q before that um i think that should should be shall in q okay

[3:30:21] Trustee Fast (probable): um

[3:30:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): it

[3:30:25] Trustee Fast (probable): should be which sorry

[3:30:25] Trustee Fast (probable): uh

[3:30:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): q on page 117 all docks shall be constructed so they don't

[3:30:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): rest on the bottom of the seabed

[3:30:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): at low water and then at in s this is the other one that mr phillips raised

[3:30:39] Voice 8: and

[3:30:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): i must admit i sort of looked at it and wondered what this was adding to it and what

[3:30:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): a small pleasure craft was um and uh and why we would be care about what the depth of a vote what

[3:30:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): what the draft of a boat was.

[3:30:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so I wondered what that was all,

[3:30:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just was wondering what that was all about.

[3:31:02] Voice 5: So through the chair,

[3:31:03] Voice 5: this is something I've brought up with one of our boaters

[3:31:05] Voice 5: in the office because it does sort of prohibit

[3:31:08] Voice 5: these larger boats.

[3:31:09] Voice 5: So this is again in his suggested guideline

[3:31:14] Voice 5: and I believe it's coming from the extent of the structures

[3:31:20] Voice 5: including a boat, although it's temporary,

[3:31:22] Voice 5: just covering um the marine area you know that's the idea here is like how big the dock is so right

[3:31:32] Voice 5: now that when this says 35 square meters the you know or the float i guess but it's just the total

[3:31:37] Voice 5: area being covered but you know by but

[3:31:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't we already have limits of 35 square meters anyway

[3:31:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): in your proposal uh

[3:31:45] Voice 5: yep yep so this guideline could just be changed or removed if it's going to

[3:31:53] Voice 5: impact those that have larger boats than that well

[3:31:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): well it's not even so much so

[3:31:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): someone has a larger boat they're not likely tying up the dock um because 35 square meters

[3:32:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): you could be you could be as i would i was sort of thinking about if you're 10 10 feet across

[3:32:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh the dock then you're 35 feet long most people don't tie up but i i don't see any particular

[3:32:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): problem with that. And if you put a depth in, then sailboats couldn't come. So I don't understand

[3:32:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): what S adds to what we already have. I mean, that's just sort of my take on it. I mean,

[3:32:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm happy to take some advice on that, but I don't understand what S adds to the fact we've

[3:32:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): already put into the, into one of somewhere up above that they can't be more than 35 square

[3:32:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): square meters anyway right

[3:32:45] Voice 5: well i mean it could be it could be removed if it's well yeah unless

[3:32:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): you think there's a really good reason for it to be in i i think it could be big

[3:32:52] Voice 5: okay you're at it

[3:32:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): my now that that those are my comments other than that i was content with the the language as um

[3:33:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): as drafted um uh but i i want to go back and talk about the two issues that you raised

[3:33:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh which were the um and i'm not sure where it is now i think it's on 101 which is the discussion

[3:33:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): about the the the the stuff that's in the exceptions and the structures that were in the

[3:33:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): exceptions but i'm not sure i i take your point entirely um i was this was one of the ones where

[3:33:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): i was got emails correcting me that there are three or four boathouses on keats that i wasn't

[3:33:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): aware of um didn't know that um and and uh but what i i i my my concern is more about

[3:33:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes the things that have arisen and it's hard to hard to anticipate everything that people are

[3:33:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to do is the things that you raised how what's an appropriate stairway what's an appropriate

[3:34:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): number of depths as you well know on keats we have recently had the development of a six ramp

[3:34:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): aluminum ramp coming down to a dock and it probably each angle of that ramp is probably

[3:34:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): 30 feet long you

[3:34:23] Trustee Fast (probable): mean it's like a zigzag

[3:34:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): exactly um and i and i and we talk you know you go well

[3:34:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): well, it says you can have a stairway or a ramp down to your dock.

[3:34:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): There they have, they put it in.

[3:34:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, and you go, I don't think this was ever contemplated

[3:34:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): as being what people would have to access the dock.

[3:34:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): They sort of imagined they would have a ramp or a stairway or sort of stairs.

[3:34:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): But I'm not sure what kind of language would control,

[3:34:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): but those are the sorts of things I think the community would say,

[3:34:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, that's not quite what we imagined when we thought people could have a stairway to the dock.

[3:35:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): But sometimes you're coming from 40 feet above from the water down to your dock.

[3:35:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): And sometimes you're coming from eight feet above the water to your dock.

[3:35:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): So it's hard to put a length in.

[3:35:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's hard to put a number of the steepness.

[3:35:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): And it's hard to describe all of that.

[3:35:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm not sure if you have any thoughts about that or other trustees have a thought well staff might

[3:35:34] Trustee Fast (probable): have other examples too i don't know uh any thoughts on this in terms of um it's kind of

[3:35:42] Trustee Fast (probable): like lot coverage isn't it slope coverage or something um any any thoughts on that staff we

[3:35:50] Trustee Fast (probable): don't have to solve it today either go ahead jamie i

[3:35:53] Voice 5: have some comments on that so yeah

[3:35:54] Voice 5: Yeah, I probably, I think you're right.

[3:35:57] Voice 5: It probably wasn't contemplated having the zigzags, but you know,

[3:36:02] Voice 5: it's not just about the actual structure of the lot coverage, but you know,

[3:36:05] Voice 5: the impact on what's underneath. So if it's, you know,

[3:36:08] Voice 5: these sensitive ecosystems like the coastal bluffs or even just any sort of

[3:36:12] Voice 5: vegetation underneath.

[3:36:13] Voice 5: And then if there's land clearing involved to build something extensive,

[3:36:18] Voice 5: like a staircase that zigzags up or walkway. So, you know,

[3:36:22] Voice 5: it's taking that all into consideration. So this is just presented as an option. If the LTC

[3:36:28] Voice 5: doesn't want to exempt or does want to exempt these permitted structures, then perhaps there

[3:36:35] Voice 5: is sort of a happy medium, if you will, of, you know, a development permit isn't required for

[3:36:40] Voice 5: staircases that are this long or this wide or platforms that are this big or, and then,

[3:36:46] Voice 5: you know, beyond that, that's where the development variant or development permit

[3:36:50] Voice 5: be required and then if we're looking at amending subsection 2.7.3 then there's also an option for

[3:36:58] Voice 5: landowners to apply for a variance and a development current if they need if they need

[3:37:02] Voice 5: to staircase in those particularly steep sort of areas so

[3:37:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): 2.2.73 is now the the exceptions from the

[3:37:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): what can go into a setback right that's right and

[3:37:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): you recommended that we not or you have suggested

[3:37:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): that we'd consider not excluding them

[3:37:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the development permit, however.

[3:37:26] Voice 5: That was, well, originally staff had suggested

[3:37:29] Voice 5: that these structures should be included,

[3:37:31] Voice 5: but it seems like it was a bit of a hot topic potentially.

[3:37:37] Voice 5: Well,

[3:37:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): I guess what it would mean is that

[3:37:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): if they wouldn't need a variance to put them in there,

[3:37:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): however, they might need a permit.

[3:37:48] Voice 5: That's right, yeah.

[3:37:49] Voice 5: So keeping it how it is,

[3:37:51] Voice 5: but including these as requiring a development permit is one option yeah

[3:37:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah i

[3:37:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): mean they're

[3:37:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to need a permit if this all happens they need a permit to put a dock in anyway

[3:38:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): so they could get their permit for their stairs at the same time that's

[3:38:07] Voice 5: right an all-encompassing

[3:38:10] Voice 5: development permit right

[3:38:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): actually the more i think about that i maybe was confused about the

[3:38:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): variants versus this but i mean i don't want to be over overly regulatory but it may make some sense

[3:38:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): it um i'm i'm sure people are going to bring up examples of of things that they want to put in

[3:38:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): that aren't related to a dock like a like a clubhouse or or a walkway that to access simply

[3:38:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): to access the water not a dock um i can think of a couple of examples where people just build

[3:38:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): stairs down in front of their property so that they can get to the to the water to go swimming

[3:38:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): and do they really need a permit for that um probably not but how do you devise that so that

[3:38:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): you don't become overly prescriptive but prevent the the problem i don't know okay i'm gonna put

[3:39:08] Trustee Fast (probable): my hand up because that um i'm just wondering about sun decks uh because thinking about some

[3:39:16] Trustee Fast (probable): of the things that that don't show up on a list and you're going we don't even know what that is

[3:39:24] Trustee Fast (probable): is it a helicopter landing pad or is it a sun deck and um uh what um when it when it's first

[3:39:32] Trustee Fast (probable): under construction or whatever you know anyway i just wonder uh will um when it says other

[3:39:39] Trustee Fast (probable): permitted marine related structures uh where will that be defined great

[3:39:46] Voice 5: good question um the lightning

[3:39:48] Voice 5: spotlight doesn't even provide a definition of platform which staff had looked into to see

[3:39:54] Voice 5: if that should be included in this so unfortunately um other permitted marine related

[3:39:59] Voice 5: structures is pretty broad um beyond a float a float a dock a wharf um not entirely clear what

[3:40:07] Voice 5: what that could be uh i have to review the

[3:40:11] Trustee Fast (probable): language by law it's

[3:40:12] Trustee Fast (probable): a sometimes it's a big deck that you

[3:40:14] Trustee Fast (probable): can do yoga on with your extended family or whatever i don't know or something called a

[3:40:21] Trustee Fast (probable): sun deck so anyway

[3:40:21] Trustee Fast (probable): i just uh i just wanted to flag that as a potentially problem area so

[3:40:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): the way this

[3:40:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): has been interpreted on keats to date is um mostly they are that people build stairs down to a deck

[3:40:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): and they're supposed to be kept under 10 square meters and that's that may be what you're

[3:40:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): referring to so something that was like that was like 30 square meters theoretically would not be

[3:40:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): allowed in the setback at sea and so that's the way so and so the two types of platforms have

[3:41:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): have been evolved one is sort of landing areas to come down to your dock um and the other is just

[3:41:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): land just sort of decky type things that come down and people do sit on um that are above the within

[3:41:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): the setback but are less than 10 square meters or should be anyway yeah and

[3:41:23] Trustee Fast (probable): you could only have one

[3:41:23] Trustee Fast (probable): of those one of those platforms i

[3:41:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't think anywhere it says you can only have one it's

[3:41:30] Trustee Fast (probable): plural it it does have a plural on it and i'm so somewhere i i'm hoping that in the process they'll

[3:41:39] Trustee Fast (probable): be a little clearer about uh the other permitted marine related structures and the and the how

[3:41:46] Trustee Fast (probable): many's all right yeah and also other things maybe like heights and uh lights uh but anyway that's

[3:41:56] Trustee Fast (probable): That's up to the community.

[3:41:58] Trustee Fast (probable): I just wanted to flag those things as things I've wondered about.

[3:42:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Anything from you, Trustee Stamford?

[3:42:06] Trustee Fast (probable): We haven't heard from you in a while.

[3:42:07] Trustee Fast (probable): I see your hand is up.

[3:42:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead.

[3:42:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, I would just like to see some curtailment of how and what is put within the setback

[3:42:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): and see that look more reasonable, I think.

[3:42:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): Me too.

[3:42:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'm just trying to figure out how to do it.

[3:42:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm quite fine with making them singular you get one set of stairs you get one you get one

[3:42:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): deck although i can think of a number of places where they're sort of different levels um and

[3:42:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh or or you're going to apply for a permit um and uh you know we're trying to protect the foreshore

[3:42:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i'm not i i don't know what kind of direction you think what we're giving you here jamie because

[3:42:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): because I agree with you. And we could just take, you know, we could just say nothing's

[3:43:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): exempted and see what people say.

[3:43:09] Trustee Fast (probable): I see the word combined in there.

[3:43:13] Trustee Fast (probable): But the clearer we can make it for first reading might be helpful. Anyway, Heather,

[3:43:19] Trustee Fast (probable): I saw you put your hand up for a moment. No, okay. Can I just

[3:43:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): jump in? Is there any

[3:43:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): Any, um, reticulated, um, elevator type platforms on, on Keats?

[3:43:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Um, one that I can, oh, um, yeah, one that I know of.

[3:43:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Those are those elevator tramway things?

[3:43:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[3:43:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[3:43:44] Trustee Fast (probable): I didn't.

[3:43:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): There is one over on Melody Point.

[3:43:48] Trustee Fast (probable): One so far.

[3:43:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): Exactly.

[3:43:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[3:43:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, and is that considered anywhere in here?

[3:43:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): Because I know it's becoming more,

[3:43:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): we're silent on it on the Gambier LUB,

[3:44:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): so, and it may become more of an issue

[3:44:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): if we start putting restrictions on stairs

[3:44:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): and they can be equally or if not more damaging

[3:44:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): to a sensitive cliffside.

[3:44:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, they aren't contemplated here.

[3:44:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Maybe they should be.

[3:44:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): should have a um they'd be they theoretically should be as with the the matter over and and

[3:44:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): at the sea ranch they should be there are structure within the setback they should be

[3:44:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): they should need a variance or or something and but there is one and yeah i'll say no more here

[3:44:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): about it okay

[3:44:50] Trustee Fast (probable): so are we thinking are we wanting it to be the idea of those what are they called

[3:44:58] Trustee Fast (probable): those tramways do we want to uh consider those in the bylaw no

[3:45:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay i think they should get a

[3:45:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): permit i think they should get a variance if they want one yeah i

[3:45:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): think they should be considered

[3:45:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): of structure right

[3:45:15] Trustee Fast (probable): that's clear okay go ahead

[3:45:18] Voice 5: jamie oh through the chair i you know just having

[3:45:22] Voice 5: just listening here uh we would consider it a structure and it is um required to well it

[3:45:28] Voice 5: doesn't it's not listed in the um permitted structures so yeah they need a variance and

[3:45:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): oh i

[3:45:34] Voice 5: see it's the other way around yeah okay yeah

[3:45:37] Trustee Fast (probable): okay good um any more comments for the

[3:45:41] Trustee Fast (probable): uh our questions or should we go to the motion so

[3:45:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): well no i i have a couple more uh go ahead please

[3:45:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think that that that i agree with the planner and we should put a an accept that we should say

[3:45:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): that sorry you scroll up again um uh that is when we get to two points that when we talk about

[3:46:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): the bylaws the only exceptions uh for getting a permit should be one set of stairs and a walkway

[3:46:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that will let people come and tell us that there should be other exceptions

[3:46:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): because i think that if you want a boathouse or you want to pump utility house or you want a deck

[3:46:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): you should probably come and get a permit for it now i i as i said my community will probably come

[3:46:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): and there will people who will come and tell me that i'm wrong and that's fine um so but i i think

[3:46:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's a starting place so i'm just trying to get some build some definition around this

[3:46:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): And the last thing I wanted to raise was around the deep hazardous slope.

[3:47:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I just want to get some clarity about this.

[3:47:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): I know we gave you some direction around it.

[3:47:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): Are you saying that if we add this to our project, that that will extend the project out and make it more complicated

[3:47:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): and therefore increase our timelines.

[3:47:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): We'll have to change the project charter

[3:47:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): and yada, yada, yada.

[3:47:22] Voice 5: Yeah, to the chair, perhaps a little bit more time

[3:47:26] Voice 5: and potentially more budget.

[3:47:30] Voice 5: But so I just wanted to just,

[3:47:33] Voice 5: this wasn't in the staff report,

[3:47:34] Voice 5: but I did speak to the planner at Bowen Island

[3:47:36] Voice 5: to understand how they had done theirs

[3:47:38] Voice 5: as the chair had suggested.

[3:47:40] Voice 5: And they did use our mapping actually,

[3:47:43] Voice 5: and then had hired a student a geotechnical engineer student to conduct an assessment so

[3:47:50] Voice 5: if that's that's an option but that in my mind it's sort of going down a different avenue for

[3:48:00] Voice 5: a different development permit area if we're going to do that then you might as well do the

[3:48:04] Voice 5: whole island and there's other areas besides along the shore that could potentially be hazardous

[3:48:08] Voice 5: hazardous according to the lidar mapping that i've seen but um you know the lidar mapping could

[3:48:14] Voice 5: just say this this slope is this you know whatever degree or percentage but um you know an assessment

[3:48:20] Voice 5: of like you know in like unstable slopes or you know soil that's particularly um you know

[3:48:28] Voice 5: instable or or you know will be subject to erosion that needs to be done by a professional um so so

[3:48:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): So let me just be, I mean, it's going to be interesting what happens regarding the crown strip on the front, because you flagged that there's a technically a crown strip and no, I would say the owners up there have no clue that there is a crown strip.

[3:48:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): if they unless it's appearing on their title um but every all particularly the new owners are all

[3:48:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): putting stairs down the front down to the wolf down to the beach and and um and it's actually

[3:49:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): not even that that concerns me so much it's the fact that in one case there's somebody cleared

[3:49:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): all the trees going down right down to the water um and it's uh you know i mean i think they're

[3:49:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's not a very smart thing to do because you're you're taking the risk of your you know the bank

[3:49:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): being unstable and your house slipping down the bank but um andy's beach has had a slump and i

[3:49:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): believe the srd has now put in a a um the land property above it has now put in a requirement

[3:49:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): for geotech assessments and setbacks because of that and there's no potential for development

[3:49:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): above Pebble Beach anywhere in the near future.

[3:49:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I emphasize the near future.

[3:49:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): There might be a long-term potential.

[3:49:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): So perhaps we should not complicate this thing.

[3:49:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): Even though I am concerned about those steep slopes.

[3:50:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anyway, that's just sort of my mutterings around this.

[3:50:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I look for some advice from the RPM.

[3:50:12] Voice 6: Jamie and I talked about this a little bit.

[3:50:14] Voice 6: it. There's kind of maybe three ways I've thought of addressing the steep slopes. One is to expand

[3:50:20] Voice 6: your project and your budget and your timelines by hiring a professional to map the island.

[3:50:26] Voice 6: But there's also a way to do it where it's the onus is on the property owner. And so you have

[3:50:33] Voice 6: a trigger in your development permit area that says if you have a slope over 30% on your property,

[3:50:38] Voice 6: property, then you must provide a geotechnical study to us. And so it's on the onus is on the

[3:50:45] Voice 6: property owner. But I think what Jamie has also suggested in her report is that the SCRD through

[3:50:52] Voice 6: the building permit process is going to require a geotech study. And so we may find that sufficient

[3:50:59] Voice 6: and not want to address it, as it sounds like you might be going in that direction.

[3:51:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[3:51:04] Voice 6: Go ahead, Jamie.

[3:51:05] Voice 6: Amy?

[3:51:06] Voice 5: Sorry, I know you probably pressed for time,

[3:51:08] Voice 5: but I just wanted to point out too

[3:51:09] Voice 5: that the 7.5 meters

[3:51:11] Voice 5: or wherever the DPA ends up landing

[3:51:13] Voice 5: in the upland,

[3:51:15] Voice 5: that's for that area.

[3:51:16] Voice 5: So if we're thinking about expanding further

[3:51:18] Voice 5: in specific areas like the Andes Beach

[3:51:20] Voice 5: or the Crown Strip area,

[3:51:22] Voice 5: then that needs to be adjusted

[3:51:24] Voice 5: because 7.5 meters across the Crown Strip

[3:51:27] Voice 5: doesn't even go across the Crown Strip.

[3:51:29] Voice 5: It's only, I think it's 20 meters wide.

[3:51:31] Voice 5: So that's just something to consider too.

[3:51:34] Voice 5: too.

[3:51:36] Voice 3: Yeah, I

[3:51:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): mean, that should be anyway. And frankly, nobody's going to build on where it's

[3:51:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): steep. It gets less steep as you get further to the east to those shorter lots. But but nobody's

[3:51:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to build down there other than decks and stairways.

[3:51:53] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm just going to chime in here to say

[3:51:56] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm interested. I was interested to see this crown strip because we have some of them on Bowen as

[3:52:01] Trustee Fast (probable): as well and um in in uh there are a few sets of stairs and stuff it seems like the um the province

[3:52:11] Trustee Fast (probable): went back and forth and at periods of years homeowners were allowed to buy their portion

[3:52:18] Trustee Fast (probable): of the crown strip at least here on bowen that's what i understand and then um so some people did

[3:52:23] Trustee Fast (probable): that and then so and others didn't and then it reverted so you couldn't do that anymore so now

[3:52:30] Trustee Fast (probable): Now we've got sort of fragmented crown strips.

[3:52:34] Trustee Fast (probable): And so that might be an element of that,

[3:52:39] Trustee Fast (probable): something that at some point you might want to check.

[3:52:41] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't know if it's relevant to this though.

[3:52:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, the difficulty is, Chair Fast, just so you know,

[3:52:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): the crown strip doesn't appear on our mapping.

[3:52:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): If you go and look at our bylaw and the maps attached to our bylaw and our OCP,

[3:52:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): it doesn't appear and that's the confusion i think one of the confusions is it's hard to figure out

[3:53:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): what its actual legal status is and i commend planner devena for finding out that they're

[3:53:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): actually she thinks that the

[3:53:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): province thinks there is a ground strip there because i had

[3:53:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): seen an older map that had it on and i've always wondered if it was there yeah

[3:53:19] Trustee Fast (probable): but that's the kind

[3:53:21] Trustee Fast (probable): of um uh finding that can slow down a process too so i just uh because then other questions arise

[3:53:28] Trustee Fast (probable): eyes but i i'm uh i'm wondering uh looking at the time it's 224 and um we're quite a bit behind in

[3:53:36] Trustee Fast (probable): our process we've got a letter in front of us and that kind of thing do we want to provide the

[3:53:41] Trustee Fast (probable): planners with more input at this point or do we want to uh return to the uh motion and send it out

[3:53:50] Trustee Fast (probable): for early referral to the nations i'm

[3:53:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): happy just sorry to interrupt uh the trustee stanford because

[3:53:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): because I saw her hand with them.

[3:53:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm happy to make the motion as long as the staff thinks

[3:54:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): that given the comments we've made,

[3:54:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): you have a document that you can refer

[3:54:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the First Nations.

[3:54:10] Voice 5: Yeah, to the chair, I think so.

[3:54:13] Voice 5: The one reason why we hadn't sent anything yet

[3:54:16] Voice 5: was because the draft filers needed to come to the LTC first

[3:54:20] Voice 5: and I also wanted to confirm that the mapping

[3:54:24] Voice 5: that was provided is what the LTC wanted to go with

[3:54:27] Voice 5: and didn't want to adjust before sending to squamish in particular um so that was sort of

[3:54:33] Voice 5: why we'd held off and we're coming to you now thank

[3:54:38] Trustee Fast (probable): you planner divinia so

[3:54:41] Trustee Fast (probable): um over to the local trustees uh trustee rogers would you like to make a motion or you

[3:54:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): um well unless trustee stamford wishes to i

[3:54:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): don't see your hand up now no um it's just about crown

[3:54:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): groundland um strips and it's unnecessary to this okay

[3:54:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i'll move that the gambier

[3:54:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): i local trust committee draft staff to forward the draft bylaws number 153 and 54 154 to squamish

[3:55:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): nation and slay with this nation for early review and comment do

[3:55:10] Trustee Fast (probable): i have a seconder thank you kate

[3:55:12] Trustee Fast (probable): louise and any more discussion all in favor one two three hands went up i'm assuming you're back

[3:55:21] Trustee Fast (probable): there diane and uh that's great thank you very much um then shall we move on okay so the next

[3:55:29] Trustee Fast (probable): thing on our uh list is uh correspondence 10.1 this is the doc letter and um which i don't think

[3:55:39] Trustee Fast (probable): is in the agenda but having received it just a couple of days ago um however jamie i think i

[3:55:47] Trustee Fast (probable): sent that to you this so it's this one and uh maybe uh kate louise would you like to begin

[3:55:53] Trustee Fast (probable): the discussion yeah

[3:55:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): um i i just uh wanted to put this forward to the local trust committee

[3:56:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's not addressed to us it's to the gambier island community association um and its response

[3:56:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): to a letter they sent about applications around the new brighton dock um and it's just

[3:56:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): there's some confusion with our little group um as to what a certain aspect of this means which is

[3:56:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): there's a possibility of a second application if we're reading this it's primarily um the third

[3:56:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): paragraph down um it starts please note that the new brighton dock limited has applied for tenure

[3:56:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): year over district lot 7960 can constitute a recent resurvey of district lot 5087 and where

[3:56:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): we weren't aware of this resurvey the implications are that somehow if we're reading this correctly

[3:56:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): it includes the ramp and the ramp for New Brighton was a community initiative about 20 years ago

[3:57:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): they petitioned the provincial government and were provided this this ramp which has never

[3:57:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): been connected to the federal dock so there's some concern and just a inability to know where

[3:57:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): to go from here and I just wondered if any comments from trustees of something similar

[3:57:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): or any ideas of how a go-forward plan

[3:57:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): as to how to find out more.

[3:57:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I guess, again, it speaks to some of the vague processes

[3:57:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): that the islands have with the province

[3:57:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): that we don't always know what's going on,

[3:57:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): public facilities that are actually very important

[3:57:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): to our abilities to live on the island.

[3:58:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I think, for me, that speaks to unique amenities

[3:58:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): of the island and our inability to control aspects of them.

[3:58:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that's why I brought it forward.

[3:58:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): I just don't know how to

[3:58:17] Trustee Fast (probable): go forward with this.

[3:58:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): I

[3:58:19] Trustee Fast (probable): have a question for, I think it might be for Heather.

[3:58:22] Trustee Fast (probable): If you're there, my question is,

[3:58:26] Trustee Fast (probable): does the Islands Trust not receive referrals

[3:58:30] Trustee Fast (probable): on dock applications, for example?

[3:58:36] Trustee Fast (probable): or wouldn't this have is there a reason that we haven't seen this do we not get everything referred

[3:58:43] Trustee Fast (probable): to us the

[3:58:44] Voice 6: local trust committee doesn't see the crown referrals so it's just staff um but yes

[3:58:50] Voice 6: typically we would see a referral and then our response would just have to be does it meet the

[3:58:55] Voice 6: zoning okay yeah

[3:58:58] Voice 6: so

[3:58:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): we we did see the referral on the dock which is um uh i think it's one that

[3:59:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): It begins with 70, but it's that second re-surveyed.

[3:59:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): Do

[3:59:14] Trustee Fast (probable): we know if staff have seen that, the 5087?

[3:59:17] Voice 6: I'm not sure.

[3:59:19] Voice 6: We may have received something we could follow up on that.

[3:59:22] Voice 6: Okay.

[3:59:22] Voice 6: Trustee Rogers.

[3:59:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I saw this letter yesterday and I accessed the

[3:59:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): groundland applications website, which is actually very good.

[3:59:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): and you can see every single application being made for and it references the the application

[3:59:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the doc uh which closed which commentary closed in november of 2020 so like four months

[3:59:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): ago uh but it does not reference this amended application or this second application at all

[3:59:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and i i and what and what my view

[3:59:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you.

[4:00:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): is we need to get some clarity

[4:00:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): or somebody needs to get some clarity from the ministry

[4:00:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): as to whether or not there is a separate

[4:00:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): and different application

[4:00:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): and is the information going to be posted publicly

[4:00:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that the community can be aware

[4:00:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): of what is actually happening.

[4:00:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know if that's, I guess my question is,

[4:00:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): is for the trustee Stanford or anybody on here,

[4:00:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that our role to do that?

[4:00:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): Given this letter was written to the community association,

[4:00:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm happy to make a motion that we request

[4:00:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): that they let us know what the status of it is if that's what trustee stanford yeah

[4:00:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): and i'm of the

[4:00:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): same mind i wasn't sure exactly where we'd fit into this but given that this is uh it is part

[4:00:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): of a provincial relationship um that that i'm not sure how this would come about um without any

[4:00:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): process through the honest trust this is you know another it's an important part of the local

[4:01:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): community uh it's a structure that's provincial in nature how do we connect in a way that allows

[4:01:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): for a more structured mechanism for information uh dissemination well

[4:01:16] Trustee Fast (probable): hearing from uh uh manager

[4:01:19] Trustee Fast (probable): that it's possible that it has come in.

[4:01:23] Trustee Fast (probable): It just hasn't been something that jumped out to her.

[4:01:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Maybe you could frame your motion

[4:01:30] Trustee Fast (probable): so that it's sort of that staff,

[4:01:33] Trustee Fast (probable): if we direct staff to bring forward information.

[4:01:37] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah,

[4:01:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that's what I was going to do.

[4:01:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): I was going to move that the Gambier Local Trust Committee

[4:01:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): request staff to determine the status of the applications

[4:01:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I say that plural, referenced in the, I can't see the date of it, but of the letter,

[4:01:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): but March 26, 2021 letter from Flynn wrote and report to the local trust.

[4:02:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. And does that meet your needs, Kate Louise?

[4:02:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[4:02:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[4:02:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): And so I can second that. I think, you know, the

[4:02:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): The community association will also try and follow up with the names that are mentioned below in the same letter.

[4:02:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): But just it's the mechanism of how how a second survey can come up to something that's quite important and that we aren't have an ability to speak to it or anything.

[4:02:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): so well

[4:02:45] Trustee Fast (probable): it's possible that it did come to staff and it's got into a different work stream or

[4:02:50] Trustee Fast (probable): something so let's see what heather comes up with if there's any more discussion no more discussion

[4:02:55] Trustee Fast (probable): than all uh people need to hear it again it's pretty clear so i'm going to call the question

[4:03:03] Trustee Fast (probable): all those in favor three hands went up thank you that passes unanimously okay

[4:03:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): thank you for

[4:03:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): everybody

[4:03:10] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah and um thank you uh heather then we're going to move on to um um we're into the

[4:03:19] Trustee Fast (probable): new business section we can clip along through here if people have to go uh does anybody have

[4:03:24] Trustee Fast (probable): to leave it's 2 34 and we thought we'd be out of here um we've got a closed meeting so uh to follow

[4:03:32] Trustee Fast (probable): climate change and mitigation anybody want to discuss anything here seeing none uh the grant

[4:03:41] Trustee Fast (probable): and aid fire protection groups trustee rogers thank

[4:03:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): you um so here's the i'm trying i'm going

[4:03:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): to try to be brief because i know i've taken up a lot of time today but the uh the various uh

[4:03:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): island communities have fire groups that they're trying to develop their um their uh their their

[4:04:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): ability to prevent and and and combat fires if they occur um and these communities are spread

[4:04:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): across a number of different islands and i have had contact with with passage with with a couple

[4:04:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): of places on gambier with keats with with with uh thornby and you know there's so there's south

[4:04:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): thornby i said the problem the difficulty is that of course they do not give fire protection

[4:04:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): coverage from the sunshine coast regional district we're excluded from that service

[4:04:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): but the sunshine coast regional district about i don't know 10 years ago 8 10 or 10 years ago

[4:04:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): a past had developed a policy that excluded um uh eligibility for grant and aids to for for fire

[4:04:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): suppression and prevention equipment they said we will not give you a grant and aid for fire

[4:04:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): suppression and prevention equipment and i've tried to talk to the regional director and and

[4:05:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): the chair and and so is kate louise and said look you're telling them that you're not providing them

[4:05:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): the service but then you won't even like make them eligible for the grant and aid so that they

[4:05:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): can provide the service for themselves um and i recently discovered determined that indeed they

[4:05:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): have maintained that policy and i think it's i think it's counterintuitive and i think it it's

[4:05:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): um problematic because there's community groups that are trying to protect themselves and there's

[4:05:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): these rural grant and aids that are out there but they can't may be made eligible for the single

[4:05:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): single most important function preventative emergency prevention function in those communities

[4:05:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is fire um and they're on their own um so

[4:05:46] Voice 3: i was going to

[4:05:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): make a motion i'll just say i was

[4:05:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to i'm going to make a motion that that we write a letter urging them to reconsider that

[4:05:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): policy and make those community those groups eligible for grant and aid applications and

[4:06:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): that they amend their policy and i apologize i intended to send out the policy beforehand

[4:06:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): beforehand um and i forgot uh so um i my my my apologies for that

[4:06:11] Trustee Fast (probable): okay and your motion about the

[4:06:13] Trustee Fast (probable): letter by they you mean sunshine coast regional district okay just checking and because uh behind

[4:06:20] Trustee Fast (probable): the scenes is trying madly to catch that motion i'm sure well

[4:06:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): i haven't made it yet i was i saw

[4:06:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustee stam for his hand up oh

[4:06:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): i just and i i blanked out for a moment because i'm trying to

[4:06:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): of organized kid pickup but um um it's just that the regional district has always said they've got

[4:06:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): only two primary functions that they're legislated to give and that is solid waste and emergency

[4:06:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): service and no matter how hard we try we we can't actually get them to do anything related to

[4:06:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): emergency service on the islands so it's some way they have to provide a venue for us to get

[4:07:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): at some kind of emergency service.

[4:07:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): So hopefully that wasn't a remake.

[4:07:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you.

[4:07:10] Trustee Fast (probable): And so trustee Rogers,

[4:07:12] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm hearing that your motion might be welcome.

[4:07:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thanks, I'll move that the Gambier Local Trust Committee

[4:07:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): request the chair to prepare correspondence

[4:07:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the Sunshine Coast Regional District Board

[4:07:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): urging that they reverse the policy that excludes fire prevention and equipment from rural grantinates.

[4:08:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[4:08:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm sorry for that, Diane. I was making that up and I should have written it out in effect.

[4:08:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): act so um

[4:08:07] Trustee Fast (probable): did you catch that diane let us know if you didn't

[4:08:10] Voice 2: she's so good

[4:08:11] Voice 2: i can say it out loud

[4:08:13] Voice 2: okay that the local trust committee requests the chair send correspondence to the scrd

[4:08:22] Voice 2: urging that they reverse their policy that excludes fire protection and equipment from

[4:08:28] Voice 2: rural grant and aids sounds right to me sounds right very good do

[4:08:34] Trustee Fast (probable): i have a seconder thank you

[4:08:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Kate Louise any more discussion I have a question it says chair prepare correspondence could

[4:08:44] Trustee Fast (probable): trustee Rogers you want to draft something for me or shall

[4:08:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): I I'll draft it to go out under your

[4:08:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): signature okay

[4:08:50] Trustee Fast (probable): all right and

[4:08:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): you can put your own spin on it the way you want but and

[4:08:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll send you

[4:08:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): the background material thank

[4:08:57] Trustee Fast (probable): you yeah that would be that would be great okay and then I'll call the

[4:09:01] Trustee Fast (probable): question all those in favor three hands went up thank you very much okay and um now we're into

[4:09:11] Trustee Fast (probable): reports i see the january 26th report is up there um kate louise is the chair of this committee

[4:09:17] Trustee Fast (probable): of the sorry of the local trust islands trust conservancy and i think there's a more recent

[4:09:22] Trustee Fast (probable): report in the trust uh council package so um i was thinking we sometimes these reports get outdated

[4:09:31] Trustee Fast (probable): dated but uh trustee stanford i see we've got zero attendees did you want to say anything about this

[4:09:38] Trustee Fast (probable): uh

[4:09:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): just really briefly um that we had a islands trust conservancy meeting on tuesday a very full

[4:09:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): meeting um but a majority of the work we do remains in camera so we can only discuss parts

[4:09:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): But just watching the growing popularity of NAPTEP covenants and the use of that tool for islanders to protect their properties.

[4:10:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): And as a result, because of the costs associated with that, our opportunity fund continues to be depleted to dangerous levels.

[4:10:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): and anybody that's listening we urge them to consider it a donation as it really does make

[4:10:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): a difference between land being protected and not being protected it's a very small amount

[4:10:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): that goes to each area so the conservancy is looking at ways that there's to augment the

[4:10:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): opportunity fund um our staff are got a full component of staff that don't have the word

[4:10:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): acting in front of them all the way through and that we're in the process of um uh the hiring of

[4:10:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): a uh species at risk coordinator as well as looking eventually for a summer student co-op

[4:11:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): and i think staff are excited to be able to have that extra help because they certainly

[4:11:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): their plates are very full. So unless there's specific questions about particular initiatives

[4:11:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): across the islands, Trustee Fast, Chair Fast, sorry. I

[4:11:22] Trustee Fast (probable): just wanted to add two things really

[4:11:24] Trustee Fast (probable): briefly. One is that NAPTEP stands for Natural Areas Tax Exemption Program. So that means if

[4:11:31] Trustee Fast (probable): If you put a conservation covenant on your land and the whole process works, then you can get up to 65% of your taxes off.

[4:11:44] Trustee Fast (probable): And the second part is that the new spring newsletter of the Annals of Special

[4:11:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Servancy is out, the Heron.

[4:11:51] Trustee Fast (probable): And so you can find that online or contact Kate Louise or Dan or I, and that will fill in lots of blanks.

[4:12:00] Trustee Fast (probable): yes

[4:12:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's that's very good point yeah next

[4:12:03] Trustee Fast (probable): time i'm going to put it in the info items

[4:12:05] Trustee Fast (probable): okay so moving on uh applications report questions for the planner we're starting

[4:12:10] Trustee Fast (probable): on page 132 go ahead trustee rogers can't hear you um

[4:12:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): did if the if the rpm knows it's not

[4:12:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): urgent but it's just curious does anybody i don't know what this swing what a returning

[4:12:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): land to nature application is and if anybody

[4:12:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): can enlighten me that's great if not i'll wait

[4:12:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): until the next time i'm talking to planner clock it's on it's on the bot on page 10 132

[4:12:45] Trustee Fast (probable): brigade bay returning

[4:12:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): land to nature it's the swain matter

[4:12:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): nobody

[4:12:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): knows i think i

[4:12:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): know i think

[4:12:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): i know what it is i don't know what the term means but it's it was an old log dump and

[4:13:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): somebody's developing in order to um ostensibly uh re-mitigate or mitigate the effects of

[4:13:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): a log slide or something like that but it's i'm being very vague okay

[4:13:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): well you know what it looks

[4:13:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): like it's coming to us at some point probably in may now it says target april so i guess we'll find

[4:13:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): out when it arrives yep

[4:13:33] Trustee Fast (probable): just curious uh any other questions for the planners um

[4:13:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): because i can't see

[4:13:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): my my notes there i just wanted to know there's a whole series of miller thompson um am i correct in

[4:13:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): that those are from ste ranch yep through the chair they are um sonya and i are working on those

[4:13:56] Voice 5: together and

[4:13:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): that was in relation to a letter we got a copy of earlier about subdivision

[4:14:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): um redeposits or yeah

[4:14:06] Voice 5: that's all connected okay yeah so

[4:14:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): i think we've asked for this before but

[4:14:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): if there's any way on these charts i recognize they're uh computer generated to indicate the

[4:14:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): island and that helps us identify the issue doesn't

[4:14:23] Trustee Fast (probable): it say that oh no it doesn't it's all gm

[4:14:25] Trustee Fast (probable): okay thank you um any more questions for the planner or shall we move on okay we're moving on

[4:14:34] Trustee Fast (probable): nothing in 12.3 was removed because it was january was the previous fiscal year i believe

[4:14:40] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh we got new information but didn't uh go in anyway i don't know it's not there

[4:14:49] Trustee Fast (probable): 12.4 adopted policies we don't have anything there i don't expect first nation

[4:14:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just

[4:14:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): just if I could yeah I

[4:14:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): just wondered um what's our timing like and about getting our annual letter

[4:15:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): out to the uh little uh first nations in the area um I know I saw a series of them go out in

[4:15:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): the southern gulf islands and like because we've all got the same a similar standing resolution

[4:15:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): um does anybody know what our timing is when we last did it and when we need to do it again

[4:15:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): i

[4:15:21] Trustee Fast (probable): don't know but i wondered um whether we might want to attach the things that are in the info

[4:15:28] Trustee Fast (probable): um these two documents truth proceeds anyway just to let them know that we're

[4:15:33] Trustee Fast (probable): what the islands trust is doing but i uh and i i knew that there had been various meetings so i

[4:15:39] Trustee Fast (probable): wasn't sure if we'd done an annual letter i haven't seen it yet uh

[4:15:45] Voice 10: chair fast it's will

[4:15:47] Voice 10: I will uh yes those were sent out and I believe they were sent out in February

[4:15:56] Voice 10: yeah and the LTC they were you were all copied thank you which nations received the letter for

[4:16:03] Voice 10: your area very

[4:16:05] Trustee Fast (probable): good I think I need to get better in the habit of taking a note on that and making

[4:16:10] Trustee Fast (probable): sure they get into the agenda so that we're not asking these questions and so that the public can

[4:16:16] Trustee Fast (probable): can see them too okay thank you um any other uh first nations activities 12.5 okay moving on then

[4:16:27] Trustee Fast (probable): um local trust committee web page do we want to discuss this i think i had this on every agenda

[4:16:33] Trustee Fast (probable): from the early days when i was trying to figure out what they were and in this trust area because

[4:16:39] Trustee Fast (probable): everybody does them differently now i get it you guys just do things by email so i'll invite

[4:16:44] Trustee Fast (probable): anybody watching the recording that if you want to receive email updates from

[4:16:51] Trustee Fast (probable): your local trustees please get in touch with them. Trustee Stamford or Trustee

[4:16:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Rogers for Keats, Trustee Stamford for Gambier. And okay I might take that off

[4:17:01] Trustee Fast (probable): future agendas then. Okay 13.1 top priorities report starts on page 142. Any

[4:17:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Any comments or discussion, questions?

[4:17:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Not seeing any.

[4:17:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Same with projects list 143,

[4:17:23] Trustee Fast (probable): not seeing any hands going up or questions

[4:17:26] Trustee Fast (probable): or even looking at the screen.

[4:17:28] Trustee Fast (probable): And the 14.1 next regular meeting is scheduled

[4:17:32] Trustee Fast (probable): for May 27th on Zoom.

[4:17:37] Trustee Fast (probable): And we've got those few information items

[4:17:40] Trustee Fast (probable): I've been through and now I would like a motion

[4:17:43] Trustee Fast (probable): motion to close the meeting unless there's any other business oh kate louise so moved oh okay

[4:17:51] Trustee Fast (probable): that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with community charter part one

[4:17:54] Trustee Fast (probable): division 3 s 91 d for the purpose of considering adoption of in-camera meeting minutes dated july

[4:18:01] Trustee Fast (probable): 23 2020 and february 4th 2021 and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting seconder

[4:18:08] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you kate louise all in favor thank you that passed unanimously and we'll go into closed and uh

[4:18:17] Trustee Fast (probable): will you can tell us what that means we stay here uh

[4:18:20] Voice 10: no you're gonna leave and i sent the email with

[4:18:23] Voice 10: the new link at 123 so you can check your email and becky please asks that you check your email

[4:18:30] Voice 10: as well for an rwm thank you

[4:18:33] Voice 10: thank you so much yeah

[4:18:37] Voice 3: hi

[4:18:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): anybody still watching we

[4:18:46] Trustee Fast (probable): come back to

[4:18:47] Trustee Fast (probable): our public meeting um we're back here to discuss uh one last item and um this is item what's the

[4:18:56] Trustee Fast (probable): number here it is on screen thank you so this is a letter oops it's gone again um and i have

[4:19:07] Trustee Fast (probable): temporarily got all my screens as zoom screens so i gotta go and find out okay thank you there

[4:19:15] Trustee Fast (probable): it is there um here's a letter from the uh artificial reef society of british columbia

[4:19:21] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh they're asking for some input so kate louise did you want to start with this

[4:19:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): um well we just received a copy of this from the staff and um i guess they're looking for support

[4:19:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): um for an additional portion to the um annapolis which is a an artificial reef sunk in halkett bay

[4:19:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): off gambier um and um there's a long history of this particular uh society working around gambier

[4:19:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): on specifically for this kind of reef um so as a trustee i don't feel comfortable supporting this

[4:20:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): right off the bat i think this needs some some engagement with the local community this was

[4:20:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): quite controversial at the time um and i don't know what the status has been with this um with

[4:20:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): the diving activity in Halkett Bay and whether it has been an activity that possibly the people in

[4:20:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): that area may now support more. But the bottom line is, if I remember correctly, the Islands

[4:20:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): Trust has policies against artificial reefs. And I think we were quite clear on that. So yeah,

[4:20:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): I would like to see public engagement on this before I put any kind of support or non-support

[4:20:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): on it

[4:20:51] Trustee Fast (probable): that was part of my question too thank you kate louisa because i was wondering well

[4:20:59] Trustee Fast (probable): how has it worked out over the time until now and uh are the um are there no issues or are

[4:21:07] Trustee Fast (probable): there issues or what um do people have to say so uh did you have a motion you wanted to make about

[4:21:15] Trustee Fast (probable): this um

[4:21:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): i i i'd like to hear from trustee rogers but i i think it needs to go back to the society

[4:21:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that we're not ready to support or not support this without further engagement activities but

[4:21:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): there is more to it than this so yeah trustee rogers well

[4:21:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): i i'm frankly just don't think we

[4:21:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): could ever support it as long as the

[4:21:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): trust policy statement contains a uh a clause that

[4:21:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): says that we we don't support artificial reefs um we may want that may be reviewed when we do

[4:21:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): the trust policy statement as to whether that's a good policy to have in the trust but it's there

[4:22:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): um so

[4:22:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): how can we ever rely to write a letter of support um i am struck by the fact that they have

[4:22:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): have now, in addition to garnering the support for the original sinking of the Annapolis of the Squamish First Nation,

[4:22:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): they now apparently have Ocean Watch on side.

[4:22:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's that report from them attached to their letter,

[4:22:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): which seems to indicate that on balance, it's created more marine life than not.

[4:22:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): It hasn't worked out perfectly, but that seems to be what the report says.

[4:22:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): My suggestion at this point would be simply to perhaps provide the correspondence to the, I don't even know who to provide it to, I suppose.

[4:22:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, you could provide it to Camp Furcombe, you could provide it to perhaps Brigade Bay, provide it to, I don't even know if there's a group on the east side of Halper Bay.

[4:23:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't even know who's there anymore,

[4:23:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): but if we could find some contacts,

[4:23:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): we could provide it to those groups

[4:23:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): and just say, this is for your information

[4:23:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): and see if we hear back from them.

[4:23:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, I mean, I think this is more of a community initiative.

[4:23:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'm happy to send this out with a proviso

[4:23:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): that came through to the Islanders Trust,

[4:23:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): but that we have a policy

[4:23:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): and just state the policy from the Islanders Trust.

[4:23:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): um i'm actually interested in finding out what the activity level has been on this

[4:23:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): as far as ocean wash supporting it i think more that that report was from the state of

[4:23:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): of how sound it's not pro or against it's just saying this is what's happened in the time that

[4:23:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): the annapolis went down and definitely some growth but you get different kinds of comments from

[4:24:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): the experts that have monitored that area so I'm more interested in our local community response

[4:24:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): to it so I'm happy to move forward with this more of as a local advocacy and just clarify the

[4:24:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): island's trust position in terms of our current policies.

[4:24:27] Trustee Fast (probable): So you're talking about circulating it

[4:24:30] Trustee Fast (probable): as a local trustee okay and i i'm wondering if uh what do local trustees think about if i was

[4:24:37] Trustee Fast (probable): to reply to this letter um making sure they're aware of the still existing policy against

[4:24:42] Trustee Fast (probable): artificial reefs and inviting them to get involved in the policy statement update if they're interested

[4:24:47] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah

[4:24:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): and

[4:24:50] Trustee Fast (probable): um let them know i guess that local trustees that some circulation of the letter

[4:24:57] Trustee Fast (probable): is happening or not yep

[4:25:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): i i'm i'm fine with that and i'm happy to move on on that aspect of it okay

[4:25:06] Trustee Fast (probable): so then um maybe the motion is that the uh that the chair uh reply to the letter um uh

[4:25:15] Trustee Fast (probable): indicating current policy and an invitation uh to get involved in the policy statement update

[4:25:25] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh and i'll put in a few other bits and pieces but that doesn't matter

[4:25:29] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh so if that's appropriate do i have a seconder thank you kate louise any more discussion

[4:25:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'll just say i'm i'm of two minds of doing that i i i yeah i but i but if you guys think

[4:25:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's the appropriate first step if a step to take i'll support it

[4:25:51] Trustee Fast (probable): okay all right you don't

[4:25:53] Trustee Fast (probable): have to vote for it um but i will call the question all those in favor thank you that

[4:25:59] Trustee Fast (probable): passed unanimously okay well thanks everybody and thanks for catching that and uh thanks everybody

[4:26:05] Trustee Fast (probable): who's born with us and uh so i'm going to i think we're finished all the business this time

[4:26:10] Trustee Fast (probable): and um sayonara have

[4:26:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): a nice east happy happy hop hop everybody

[4:26:19] Trustee Fast (probable): gosh don't start with the rabbit jokes no

[4:26:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think rabbits and rabbits and chocolate are very

[4:26:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): important. Sounds good

[4:26:29] Trustee Fast (probable): right now. Thanks everybody and happy Easter and all those

[4:26:32] Trustee Fast (probable): kind of holiday things. Bye for now.

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Gambier Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
April 1, 2021 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 Kate-Louise Stamford, Local Trustee  
 Dan Rogers, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Jaime Dubyna, Island Planner 
 Marnie Eggen, Island Planner (part) 
 Bronwyn Sawyer, Planner 2 (part) 
 Wil Cottingham, Administrative Assistant 
 Diane Corbett, Recorder 
 
Also Present: 
 
Members of the Public – 3  
1. CALL TO ORDER 
“Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Fast called the meeting to order at 10:30 am.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
Chair Fast introduced trustees and staff in attendance. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following addition to the agenda was presented for consideration:  
 10.1 FLNRORD response to Gambier Island Community Association regarding New 
Brighton Dock, dated March 26, 2021 
By general consent the agenda was approved as amended. 
2.1 Rise and Report - regarding Closed Meeting held February 4, 2021 
Chair Fast reported that at the February 4, 2021 closed meeting the Local Trust 
Committee passed a motion about Woodlot 0039 on Crown land. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Stamford reported on the following: 

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 Involvement on Regional Planning Committee, including discussion of land 
development fees, and planning department review. 
 Nomination to participate on Islands Trust Water Sustainability Strategy 
Roundtable; the initiative has met once and has several meetings planned; aims to 
develop approaches that better protect water resources on the islands. 
 Membership on Financial Planning Committee; presented final proposed budget for 
consideration of Trust Council on March 10, which was passed. 
 Attendance at informative update of Cumulative Affects Assessment pilot project of 
FLNRORD; learned about stewardship baseline assessment tools. 
 Attendance at Ocean Watch Action Committee and representation on West 
Vancouver Coastal Marine Management Plan. 
 Gambier Island New Brighton Dock Committee met with Director Hiltz and Alternate 
Director Berry to understand taxation through the Regional District and how it could 
relate to potential funding opportunities for New Brighton dock. 
Trustee Rogers reported on the following: 
 Participation on the Programs Committee overseeing a review of the Trust Policy 
statement, governing document for the organization. 
 Thanks to members of the Gambier Local Trust Area for participating in the survey 
on the budget. 
 Executive Committee annual meeting with Bowen Island Council regarding what is 
going on and how the organizations can work together 
 Meeting with SCRD Communications Manager; made point about the importance of 
consulting islanders on issues that affect islanders. There are a few decisions SCRD is 
working on where there is no outreach. SCRD received a grant to develop a 
community wildfire protection plan; it is intended to cover off Gambier, Keats and 
Thormanby; it was not funded to do work on the ground, but the islands will be 
covered by the scope of the plan.  
 Attendance at February 25 meeting with representatives of the review group of the 
Squamish First Nation, staff and representatives who do the referral work. Spoke 
specifically about Keats Shoreline Protection Project and referrals around that, also 
about how referrals work. Thanks to the Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor for 
setting that up. 
 Attended a virtual meeting about the Policy Statement review, where there was a 
presentation about the current state in the Trust Policy Statement review; there 
were over 100 attendees. 
 Trust Council passed the budget, and made a motion regarding the Trust Policy 
Statement.  
 Participated in Trust Council meeting regarding three First Nations on Salt Spring 
where there was discussion on perspectives on engagement with First Nations. 
 Attended meeting with the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing and senior 
staff on March 18, where authority over tree cutting bylaws and how it plays out at 
the local level was discussed. 
 Work with fledgling Keats Island conservation group; people are keen to work on a 
variety of issues; ecosystem protection, access to lands and native species work. 
Linked the group with Sunshine Coast Conservation Association. Ruth Simons of 

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Howe Sound Biosphere Region Initiative attended meetings, assisting with 
connectivity, advice and information. 
 Howe Sound Community Forum will be held April 23; Gambier Local Trustees will be 
attending. 
3.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Fast reported on: 
 Meeting with Bowen Council: Trustee Fast is on both organizations, as Councillor 
and Islands Trust Vice Chair. Discussion of the policy statement, OCPs, 
reconciliation, and planning practices. 
 Reports on Islands Trust work on reconciliation, from Trust Council agenda, were 
included in this agenda for information (section 15). Sign up online for updates. 
 Islands Trust is providing support for the Howe Sound Community Forum. 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report – None 
Trustee Stamford announced the SCRD had passed their budget; Area F islands would be 
looking at an almost 20% increase in rural property tax. 
4. DELEGATIONS – none  
5. TOWN HALL 
Chris Phillips, Keats Island, commented on the “Torgerson situation” on Gambier (restricted 
development with three grandfathered dwellings on a lot), noting there is a tendency towards 
gentrification in the islands, and that Trust Council should be careful to avoid doing things that 
promote that.  
Mr. Phillips commented on the Keats Island Shoreline Protection Project and stated that the 
suggested permitted siting of docks to extend 30 m from the natural boundary of the sea would 
not even get into the low tide line. Mr. Phillips remarked the required permit to cut down one 
native tree seemed excessive. He perceived the rules on maintenance of a cedar hedge seemed 
to prevent owners from regular topping of trees for maintenance of views. 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Meeting dated February 4, 2021 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of February 4, 2021 
were adopted. 
6.2 Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record dated February 4, 2021 
The Public Hearing Record on Bylaw No. 152 was received. 
6.3 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated March 23, 2021 
The Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated March 23, 2021 was 
received. 
6.4 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – none  
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 

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7.1 Follow-up Action List dated March 23, 2021 
Received. 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
8.1 GM-RZ-2020.1 (Torgerson - 1040 Taki-Te-Si Road, Gambier Island) 
Planner Sawyer gave an overview of the memo on GM-RZ-2020.1, reporting to the LTC 
on steps taken since the resolution of the last LTC meeting, that staff relays information 
and has further discussions with the applicant. The applicant had provided a letter on 
some of the topics discussed, and noted an interest in working with staff and the LTC 
with consideration to shoreline protection. 
The applicant, who was present, indicated uncertainty about what they could do to 
meet environmental criteria, and requested clarification about what the LTC would want 
or expect regarding a benefit/community amenity to Islands Trust. The applicant 
explained the reasoning for the request to add 300 square feet to the existing cabin was 
within the setbacks and would be the best location for the expansion; moving it to the 
back forest would have environmental impact on the property and the mature forest. 
Extensive discussion ensued. Points raised by trustees included: 
 Trustees are not in a position to negotiate with an applicant. 
 Applicant could look at covenants to protect forested area from further clearing and 
development.   
 There are a few developments on Gambier that existed before the Trust, that 
represent a different type of community and not necessarily as supported as they 
could be. Want to accommodate existing structures on these very few lands, and do 
not want to see an opportunity for overall density increase.  The property is 
representative of a small number of long-time family recreational properties, 
limited by their nonconforming status but an important part of the fabric of the 
island community.  Is there a way to accommodate small existing structures on 
these specific properties without providing for an overall density increase for the 
Settlement Residential Zone?   
 Appreciation for receiving comments from neighbour (submitted by applicant). 
 The application is asking the LTC to do spot zoning, not a good practice, unless the 
LTC thinks there is a benefit to the island that would make it worthwhile to do it. 
Concern about the precedent that spot zoning would set. Concern that spot zoning 
is not a good use of taxpayers’ money; better to look at zoning island-wide. 
 The rezoning process is relatively extensive work requiring public hearings and staff 
time. Concern about the possibility of proceeding with a rezoning process that may 
not be acceptable in the end. 
 Inquiry as to whether climate change and sea level rise had been part of the 
conversation with the applicant and whether it would be incorporated in the plans. 
 There is a Gambier OCP review in process. Would the applicant like to get involved 
in that process, to give input and learn about that process? However, the issues of 
this application are mostly related to what the Land Use Bylaw provides. 
 Suggestion to defer this matter. Applicant was encouraged to continue to talk to 
staff to consider and explore options within the current zoning.  

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Chair Fast thanked the applicant for attending and invited the applicant to ask questions 
of staff and get involved with processes happening within Islands Trust, such as the 
Trust Policy Statement update. 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
9.1 Gambier Island Official Community Plan Review 
Planner Eggen reviewed the interim staff report on the Gambier Island Official 
Community Plan review and requested direction from the Local Trust Committee on the 
desired level of involvement of a consultant in the OCP Review Project.  
Regional Planning Manager Kauer spoke to proposed consultant involvement options, 
with budget and timelines outlined in a chart within the staff report. 
Discussion ensued. Points included: 
 Would be content if staff wants to do the review by themselves. Imagined that is 
what the regional planning team would do. Would be okay with whatever staff 
needs to work with. Might need to send the First Nations piece and public 
consultation piece to consultants. 
 Have always thought in terms of the regional planning group saying here is a 
template of how we are moving forward on OCPs.   
 Difficulty in using an Advisory Planning Commission due to the make up of Gambier 
island community and associated challenges with transportation/mobility; a working 
group gives more flexibility. 
 Challenge: how forestry fits in Gambier. The LTC does not have appropriate wording 
or focus required in order to respond to concerns from the community about where 
forestry is going on the island. The OCP would not be able to solve this problem. 
 Do noy worry about mail outs, but focus on electronic engagement. This island does 
not have an ability to get together, except in small groups. It is very difficult to 
engage the entire island. No opinion on consultants.  
 More in favour of hearing from staff on issues. 
 Openness to idea of using a consultant for First Nations engagement.  
 First Nations do not necessarily want to invest in a relationship with a consultant. 
First Nations engagement is about relationship building. 
 A number of LTCs in the southern islands have incorporated language regarding First 
Nations in their OCPs. 
 SCRD may be doing a dock review; there is an opportunity and challenge in dealing 
with docks. Do not know how it fits, so leave for now. 
Staff will follow up. 
9.2 Gambier Associated Islands Streamside Protection and Riparian Areas Development 
Permit Areas Project  
Island Planner Eggen outlined points and recommendations from the staff report on 
Gambier Associated Islands Streamside Protection and Riparian Areas Development 
Permit Areas Project and Bylaw Nos. 145, 146, and 147.  

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Referral responses were as follows: Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure 
interests not affected; Squamish First Nation had no concerns on Bylaw 147 and did not 
comment on Nos. 145 and 146. 
Staff had prepared two guides, one for Bowyer and one for Anvil and South Thormanby, 
with a plain language summary of the bylaw amendments that could be sent to owners 
in advance of a Community Information Meeting and Public Hearing. Staff was 
encouraged to include a map for South Thormanby, not included in the draft guide; a 
correction to the graphic on page 93 of the agenda was noted. 
GM-2021-010 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee amend Bylaw No. 145, cited as “Gambier 
Associated Islands Official Community Plan, 2009, Amendment No. 1, 2017”, by 
reformatting the reference “485.1” to “485(1)” in item 2.4.  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-011 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 145, cited as “Gambier 
Associated Islands Official Community Plan, 2009, Amendment No. 1, 2017”, be read a 
second time, as amended.  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-012 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee amend Bylaw No. 146, cited as “Bowyer 
and Passage Islands Land Use Bylaw, 2011, Amendment No. 1, 2017”, item 2.1 by:  
a. Removing “Section 7” and replacing with “Section 6” in the first Information Note;  
b. Reformatting subsection 8.1(2)(a) into a list;  
c. Removing all occurrences of “high water mark of a stream” and replacing with 
“stream boundary”;  
d. Correcting any typos;  
e. Adding the word “parcel” before the words “boundary is being created for an 
ecological reserve...” in subsection 8.1(4)h); and  
f. Correcting section reference by removing “9.3(2)” and replacing with “8.1(2)” in 
subsection 8.1(4)k). 
CARRIED 
GM-2021-013 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 146, cited as “Bowyer and 
Passage Islands Land Use Bylaw, 2011, Amendment No. 1, 2017”, be read a second time, 
as amended.  
CARRIED 

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GM-2021-014 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee amend Bylaw No. 147, cited as “Gambier 
Associated Islands Land Use Bylaw, 2013, Amendment No. 1, 2017”, as follows:  
a. Items 2.3, 2.4, and 2.5 are amended by removing the words “removing the following 
text” and replacing with “deleting the text in its entirety”;  
b. Item 2.3 is amended by reformatting the replacement text for subsection 9.1(2)(a) 
into a list;  
c. By removing all occurrences of “high water mark of a stream” and replacing with 
“stream boundary”;  
d. By adding the word “parcel” before the words “boundary is being created for an 
ecological reserve...” in subsection 9.1(4)h).  
e. By correcting any typos.  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-015 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 147, cited as “Gambier 
Associated Islands Land Use Bylaw, 2013, Amendment No. 1, 2017”, be read a second 
time, as amended.  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-016 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a community 
information meeting and a public hearing during the May 27, 2021 regularly scheduled 
business meeting for proposed bylaw Nos. 145, 146, and 147.  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-017 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to distribute the Riparian 
Areas Protection Guides, as amended, to property owners of Bowyer, Anvil and South 
Thormanby Islands prior to the scheduled community information meeting.  
CARRIED  
Chair Fast recessed the meeting at 12:50 pm. 
Chair Fast recalled the meeting to order at 1:20 pm. 
9.3 Keats Shoreline Protection Project 
Planner Dubyna presented an overview of the staff report on Keats Island Shoreline 
Protection Project ‘Phase 3’ – Draft Bylaw No. 153 to amend the Keats Island Official 
Community Plan (OCP) Bylaw No. 77, and Draft Bylaw No. 154 to amend the Keats Island 
Land Use Bylaw No. 78 (LUB).  
Staff recommended forwarding the draft bylaws to First Nations for review and 
comment and did not recommend first reading at this time. 
Extensive discussion ensued, with Planning staff responding to trustee inquiries, 
comments, and suggested edits. 

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GM-2021-018 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to forward Draft Bylaw Nos. 
153 and 154 to Squamish Nation and Tsleil-Waututh Nation for early review and 
comment.  
CARRIED 
10. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
10.1 FLNRORD response to Gambier Island Community Association regarding New Brighton 
Dock, dated March 26, 2021 
Trustees and staff discussed correspondence from FLNRORD to the Gambier Island 
Community Association, dated March 26, 2021, regarding current developments 
pertaining to the New Brighton dock facility. 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to determine the status of 
the applications referenced in the March 26, 2021 letter from FLNRORD to the Gambier 
Island Community Association. 
CARRIED 
11. NEW BUSINESS 
11.1 Climate Change Mitigation and Adaptation – No discussion 
11.2 Sunshine Coast Regional District Grant in Aid – Fire Protection Groups 
Trustee Rogers pointed out that various island communities have fire groups trying to 
develop their ability to prevent and combat fires if they occur, and that the Sunshine 
Coast Regional District had developed a policy that excluded from grants-in-aid 
equipment for fire suppression and prevention. Discussion ensued. 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request the Chair prepare 
correspondence to the Sunshine Coast Regional District urging that they reverse their 
policy that excludes fire prevention and equipment from rural grants-in-aid. 
CARRIED 
11.3. Artificial Reef Society of BC - New Marine Habitat Enhancement Proposal - Howe 
Sound - Request for Comment  
Correspondence was received, dated March 26, 2021, from the Artificial Reef Society of 
BC requesting comment on a proposed initiative to place a replica of the CH-124 Sea 
King helicopter on the flight deck of the sunken HMCS Annapolis at Halkett Bay 
Provincial Marine Park. 
Discussion ensued. Points included:  

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 need for community engagement to learn about impacts of the Annapolis project on 
the community, as well as the community response and issues;  
 the project was controversial when it was installed;  
 clarify Islands Trust policies opposing artificial reefs. 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Chair reply to the letter from the Artificial Reef Society of BC indicating current 
Islands Trust policy and an invitation to get involved in the Policy Statement update. 
CARRIED 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated January 26, 2021 
The Islands Trust Conservancy Report to Local Trust Committees and Bowen Island 
Municipality, dated January 26, 2021 was received. 
Trustee Stamford reported that: 
 Islands Trust Conservancy (ITC) met on March 30, 2021. The majority of the work of 
the ITC is done in camera.  
 There is a growing popularity of NAPTEP (Natural Area Protection Tax Exemption 
Program) covenants as a tool for islanders protecting their properties and reducing 
property tax.  
 The Opportunity Fund continues to be depleted to dangerous levels; ITC members 
are asking that people consider making donations.  
 ITC has a full component of staff, and is in the process of hiring a Species at Risk 
Coordinator and a summer student. 
 The new Spring newsletter is available online. 
12.2 Applications Report dated March 23, 2021 
Received. 
12.3 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received. 
12.4 First Nations Activities 
Responding to a trustee inquiry, staff noted that the annual letter to First Nations was 
sent out in February and copied by email to the Local Trust Committee. 
12.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
If members of the public want to receive email updates from trustees, they should 
contact Trustee Rogers or Trustee Stamford. 
Chair Fast announced she may remove this standing agenda item from future agendas.  
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Top Priorities Report dated March 23, 2021 

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Received. 
13.2 Projects List Report dated March 23, 2021 
Received. 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 10:30 am via Zoom 
Electronic Meeting 
15. INFORMATION ITEMS 
15.1 Truth Precedes Reconciliation 
Received. 
15.2 Reconciliation Report 2019-2021 
Received. 
15.3 News Release dated January 21, 2021 - Islands Trust Actively Promotes Regional 
Collaboration 
Received. 
16. CLOSED MEETING 
16.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1) (d ) for the purpose of considering Adoption of In-Camera 
Meeting Minutes dated July 23, 2020 and February 4, 2021 and that the recorder and 
staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
The Local Trust Committee moved to Closed Meeting at 2:52 pm. 
16.2 Recall to Order 
Chair Fast recalled the meeting to order at 3:05 pm. 

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16.3 Rise and Report 
The in camera minutes of July 23, 2020 and February 4, 2021 were adopted. 
17. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 3:31 pm. 
 
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Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Diane Corbett, Recorder