Islands Trust Conservancy Board community information meeting, April 12, 2021

[0:00:35] Trustee Rogers: Okay, good afternoon. We'll start in just a moment.

[0:00:59] Trustee Rogers: Is Jane still with us?

[0:01:04] Voice 17: I think she's unmuted. I'm getting a coffee.

[0:01:13] Trustee Rogers: Hello, everybody. We'll be starting in just a moment. Trustee Wolverton has

[0:01:18] Trustee Rogers: left us for a moment, and as soon as she's back, there she is.

[0:01:23] Trustee Rogers: So thank you. Welcome to everyone. We now have 25 attendees, as well as the seven people on the

[0:01:30] Trustee Rogers: on the panelist list and the people you see on your screens.

[0:01:35] Trustee Rogers: My name is Dan Rogers.

[0:01:37] Trustee Rogers: I'm the chair of the Galeano Local Trust Committee

[0:01:39] Trustee Rogers: and this is the regular meeting of April the 12th

[0:01:43] Trustee Rogers: of the Galeano Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:45] Trustee Rogers: I want to start by acknowledging as always

[0:01:48] Trustee Rogers: that we are privileged and very pleased to be working

[0:01:53] Trustee Rogers: and living in the traditional territory

[0:01:55] Trustee Rogers: of the Coast Salish Peoples, and in particular,

[0:02:01] Trustee Rogers: if you're on Galeano today, the Penelakut First Nations

[0:02:05] Trustee Rogers: and additional territories of the Coast Salish Peoples.

[0:02:10] Trustee Rogers: We are mindful every day of the importance

[0:02:14] Trustee Rogers: of that recognition and the work that we do

[0:02:16] Trustee Rogers: in our Reconciliation Action Statement

[0:02:19] Trustee Rogers: and under the dictates of our policies

[0:02:23] Trustee Rogers: that we adopted related to reconciliation.

[0:02:25] Trustee Rogers: We are committed to a meaningful and recognition

[0:02:30] Trustee Rogers: and understanding of the history of these islands

[0:02:34] Trustee Rogers: and to implementing policies that respect

[0:02:37] Trustee Rogers: that history and tradition.

[0:02:42] Trustee Rogers: If I'm joining you today, I'm actually joining you

[0:02:46] Trustee Rogers: from the traditional territories of the Squamish,

[0:02:50] Trustee Rogers: Musqueam, Tsleil-Waututh peoples.

[0:02:51] Trustee Rogers: I'm in Vancouver today.

[0:02:53] Trustee Rogers: I'm pleased to be joining you from across the Coastal LSE.

[0:02:56] Trustee Rogers: We have staff that are in the Masonic territory

[0:03:00] Trustee Rogers: and of course, people on Galeano itself.

[0:03:05] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much for joining us today.

[0:03:08] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to introduce a few people

[0:03:09] Trustee Rogers: and then advise you how this is going to proceed.

[0:03:14] Trustee Rogers: You'll see on your screens, of course,

[0:03:16] Trustee Rogers: your two local trustees, Trustee Tahira Rockefeller

[0:03:21] Trustee Rogers: and trustee Jane Wolverton.

[0:03:23] Trustee Rogers: You'll be hearing from them from time to time today,

[0:03:27] Trustee Rogers: of course, as we go through the meeting,

[0:03:29] Trustee Rogers: as we make decisions and et cetera.

[0:03:32] Trustee Rogers: You'll also see on your screen currently

[0:03:34] Trustee Rogers: regional planning manager, Robert Kojima,

[0:03:37] Trustee Rogers: who's joining us from the office in Victoria, I believe,

[0:03:41] Trustee Rogers: and Galliano Island planner, Brad Smith,

[0:03:46] Trustee Rogers: who you'll be hearing from from time to time.

[0:03:47] Trustee Rogers: in addition you'll see the team assistant Maple Hung who is running the show behind the scenes

[0:03:56] Trustee Rogers: and you may hear me talk to Maple from time to time thank you Maple for all your help

[0:04:00] Trustee Rogers: and of course the recorder Carly Bilney who's joining us on Galeano and you again may hear

[0:04:07] Trustee Rogers: me talk to Carly from time to time as the meeting goes along although both Carly and Maple will

[0:04:13] Trustee Rogers: will likely turn their cameras off

[0:04:14] Trustee Rogers: for most of the being camera shy as they are.

[0:04:18] Trustee Rogers: This is the continuation of our virtual meetings.

[0:04:21] Trustee Rogers: We've been doing this since Jesus coming on a year now.

[0:04:26] Trustee Rogers: We, I believe we canceled most of the meetings

[0:04:28] Trustee Rogers: in April last year.

[0:04:30] Trustee Rogers: And then we started to do the virtual meetings

[0:04:33] Trustee Rogers: starting in late April, early May.

[0:04:35] Trustee Rogers: So I'm not sure exactly when we did what we did

[0:04:38] Trustee Rogers: on Galliano back and look, but let's just call it a year.

[0:04:42] Trustee Rogers: this is we're continuing to do this the meetings this way to ensure public access to our processes

[0:04:48] Trustee Rogers: and our meetings and also to respect the public health orders as everybody knows who watches the

[0:04:55] Trustee Rogers: news we're in the third wave of the COVID pandemic things are not going well in a lot of places in

[0:05:02] Trustee Rogers: British Columbia and so we are back being extremely careful and not traveling I that's why I'm not

[0:05:10] Trustee Rogers: there. I very much miss being on Galliano. I have made one brief visit in August or September of

[0:05:18] Trustee Rogers: last year to view a property and that's the only time I've managed to be on Galliano since

[0:05:24] Trustee Rogers: this we're simply not traveling in recognition of public health orders. So this is our electronic

[0:05:30] Trustee Rogers: meeting format and if you've been with us before you'll hopefully be familiar with it.

[0:05:36] Trustee Rogers: it works in the way that during the course of the meeting and as we're discussing matters

[0:05:41] Trustee Rogers: the only people you'll see on their screen are the trustees and the staff

[0:05:45] Trustee Rogers: as other peoples are invited to speak to us either as applicants or as people in town halls and today

[0:05:53] Trustee Rogers: we actually have a delegation they'll be promoted to um to the uh the panelist session and they'll

[0:06:00] Trustee Rogers: be able to if they wish turn their their cameras on and we'll be unmuted and we'll be in a position

[0:06:05] Trustee Rogers: to speak to us. This is the way we found that we can manage the technical challenges of this

[0:06:12] Trustee Rogers: and try and replicate, although there is no replication in curts and meetings perfectly,

[0:06:17] Trustee Rogers: but replicate as best we can. As well, this meeting is being live streamed.

[0:06:24] Trustee Rogers: If you've joined us, you've joined us directly on the webinar, but it's also being live streamed

[0:06:30] Trustee Rogers: and recorded and will be available in a few days on our website to view after the fact if you wish.

[0:06:42] Trustee Rogers: These matters are not without challenge from time to time so please bear with us as we work

[0:06:48] Trustee Rogers: through the technical challenges of these meetings and we're absolutely doing the best we can to

[0:06:55] Trustee Rogers: to make the meeting run as smoothly as possible. We hope you appreciate our efforts and that you

[0:07:02] Trustee Rogers: recognize that we're doing what we can to ensure that the work we do is transparent and available

[0:07:08] Trustee Rogers: to the public. So having said all that, I'll have a few more things to say about public participation

[0:07:15] Trustee Rogers: as we move through the meeting and the agenda that's before us. I have an agenda. I'm going

[0:07:23] Trustee Rogers: going to call us to order as I've already done and make the acknowledgement. The first item on

[0:07:29] Trustee Rogers: the agenda, and then I'll approve the agenda, is the actual rise in report from an in-camera meeting

[0:07:35] Trustee Rogers: of March the 1st, 2021. So just over a month ago. The reason we're doing this here is because

[0:07:43] Trustee Rogers: the way our technology works is we actually go into, if we go into an in-camera meeting at the

[0:07:49] Trustee Rogers: the end of the regular meeting in the regular meeting ends

[0:07:55] Trustee Rogers: and there is no ability to rise and report at the end.

[0:07:58] Trustee Rogers: So we've taken up the practice of doing it at the beginning

[0:08:01] Trustee Rogers: of the next meeting.

[0:08:04] Trustee Rogers: So I'm doing that now, I want to advise that in the

[0:08:08] Trustee Rogers: in-camera meeting of March the 1st, we adopted the minutes

[0:08:13] Trustee Rogers: of October the 5th and November 2nd in camera meetings.

[0:08:16] Trustee Rogers: But in addition, we passed two motions that I'm reporting on.

[0:08:22] Trustee Rogers: And I just, and I'm going to do that.

[0:08:24] Trustee Rogers: First is we passed a motion that whereas the majority

[0:08:29] Trustee Rogers: of the members of the Galliano Advisory Planning Commission

[0:08:32] Trustee Rogers: have a conflict of interest,

[0:08:33] Trustee Rogers: the local trust committee does not require the APC to meet

[0:08:37] Trustee Rogers: and respond further to the referral request

[0:08:39] Trustee Rogers: with respect to resolution GLRs that actually application GLRs

[0:08:46] Trustee Rogers: RZ 2019 2.1, which is the Giggers affordable housing project.

[0:08:53] Trustee Rogers: So that's, and then second motion was

[0:08:58] Trustee Rogers: the Galliano Advisory Commission members

[0:09:01] Trustee Rogers: before the legal opinion on a confidential basis.

[0:09:04] Trustee Rogers: So that was the motions that were passed at that time.

[0:09:08] Trustee Rogers: So the APC has been told and indicated to

[0:09:12] Trustee Rogers: that we do not require them to do any further work

[0:09:15] Trustee Rogers: in relation to the Giggers applicant.

[0:09:17] Trustee Rogers: So that's my rise in report from a month ago.

[0:09:24] Trustee Rogers: And now I'll turn to the trustees, if it's okay,

[0:09:28] Trustee Rogers: and ask them when we're at the approval of the agenda.

[0:09:30] Trustee Rogers: I'm looking to the two trustees.

[0:09:32] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything to add or amend?

[0:09:33] Trustee Rogers: Yes, Trustee Rockefeller.

[0:09:35] Voice 17: I wanted a discussion around top priorities

[0:09:37] Voice 17: and wasn't sure if I should add that

[0:09:39] Voice 17: or just take it up when we get to that section.

[0:09:43] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, about which, sorry?

[0:09:44] Trustee Rogers: um

[0:09:44] Voice 17: our top priorities uh

[0:09:47] Trustee Rogers: can it wait till we get to the top priorities which is yeah

[0:09:49] Voice 17: yeah no i was

[0:09:50] Voice 17: just wondering if i needed to add it as a discussion item at that point or just we can just talk about

[0:09:56] Voice 17: it when we get to i

[0:09:56] Trustee Rogers: think we can just if it's something specifically you want to talk about

[0:09:59] Trustee Rogers: the top priorities we can talk about when we get that's the intention of that there so that we can

[0:10:03] Trustee Rogers: talk great

[0:10:04] Voice 20: thank you okay

[0:10:05] Trustee Rogers: rusty wolverton anything from you and

[0:10:07] Voice 20: i wouldn't mind having a brief

[0:10:10] Voice 20: a brief discussion about special APCs,

[0:10:13] Voice 20: how they are constituted and whether we might want

[0:10:19] Voice 20: to consider a special APC for climate.

[0:10:24] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I'll put that under new business as 17.3.

[0:10:30] Trustee Rogers: I'll just call it special APC discussion

[0:10:35] Trustee Rogers: and we can discuss the details of it when we get to it.

[0:10:40] Trustee Rogers: Anything else from either of you?

[0:10:42] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Then i'll take the agenda adopted as amended, so the first item of business, as always, is the.

[0:10:52] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Are the trustee reports so i'm going to turn to the two trustees and see what reports, they have for us this month like trustee rock tell you unmuted signal.

[0:11:06] Trustee Rogers: um

[0:11:07] Voice 17: so jane trustee wolverton and i are part of the southern gulf island forum which is comprised

[0:11:13] Voice 17: of elected federal provincial local trustees crd and first nation representatives there's a group

[0:11:20] Voice 17: that focuses on the values of sustainability cooperation and transcending jurisdictions

[0:11:24] Voice 17: and the aim of this group is to work across these organizations and find common projects and support

[0:11:30] Voice 17: collective efforts so we had our first meeting and we expect to have quarterly meetings working

[0:11:36] Voice 17: on these such things as housing and log logging in the areas and um yeah we'll

[0:11:42] Voice 17: keep you updated as it goes along thank you thanks

[0:11:47] Trustee Rogers: trustee Rockwell over to you

[0:11:48] Trustee Rogers: trustee Wolff yes

[0:11:50] Voice 20: so it's been a busy time since March 1st a lot of zoom

[0:11:56] Voice 20: meetings and with constituents and distance meetings with other residents

[0:12:03] Voice 20: site visits bylaw complaints that we've you know had a quick look at to see you know where things

[0:12:12] Voice 20: fall so it's it's been quite intense I just want people to know you know I appreciate all the

[0:12:20] Voice 20: feedback you know on various issues and different sides of issues it is intense though I participated

[0:12:30] Voice 20: also in a southern gulf islands community group which is out of pender and it's kind of looking

[0:12:38] Voice 20: to um among the southern gulf islands to have discussions on different things so this last one

[0:12:44] Voice 20: was the impact of covet 19 and uh so that that was it was quite interesting um there are a lot of

[0:12:52] Voice 20: uh webinars i mean i have so many that i've parked for looking at later because i sometimes they're

[0:13:00] Voice 20: they're at the same time or they're two in a day and so there's a lot of good information and one

[0:13:05] Voice 20: I'd just like to draw to people's attention was our resident Risa Smith gave a talk yesterday it

[0:13:15] Voice 20: had to be postponed from an earlier time because of a power outage but the title was using nature's

[0:13:21] Voice 20: ways to fight climate crisis and I'd highly recommend that people have a look at it it

[0:13:27] Voice 20: comes out of Salt Spring Island Transitions and I can post that on our on our Trust Galliano site

[0:13:34] Voice 20: so that people can link into it because it it was recorded and now we're just facing our vaccine

[0:13:42] Voice 20: rollout which will happen the 20th and 21st for Galliano so we're looking forward to that

[0:13:52] Voice 20: a lot of people have been vaccinated already the 80s and up and the indigenous folks and some

[0:13:59] Voice 20: people have already gone to sydney but the rest of us will have it on the 20th and 21st so that's

[0:14:06] Voice 20: all thanks

[0:14:11] Trustee Rogers: uh to both of you and to both of you for your your work both for the southern gulf

[0:14:15] Trustee Rogers: Islands and the trust and for Galeano, of course. So it, Jane was, it was very much an understatement

[0:14:25] Trustee Rogers: that it's been a busy time since March, our last meeting. And it may be because it's been a while

[0:14:31] Trustee Rogers: ago, I noticed neither of them mentioned that we had trust council, which was a, a long trust

[0:14:41] Trustee Rogers: trust council um in fact it was uh we had a very very long day on the tuesday and then into a

[0:14:48] Trustee Rogers: a town hall in the evenings it was probably a 12 or 14 hour day um and uh and then wednesday

[0:14:56] Trustee Rogers: and thursday but we there were a number of very um uh detailed debates and discussions related

[0:15:04] Trustee Rogers: related to the scope of the trust policy statement work.

[0:15:08] Trustee Rogers: A number of motions were passed and that was challenging

[0:15:16] Trustee Rogers: and hopefully has set a course forward for the trust

[0:15:21] Trustee Rogers: in terms of the challenging work

[0:15:23] Trustee Rogers: of getting the trust policy statement renewed and reviewed,

[0:15:26] Trustee Rogers: which has not happened since effectively 1994.

[0:15:31] Trustee Rogers: And we also adopted a budget.

[0:15:35] Trustee Rogers: and I hope that if you haven't had a chance to look at the budget,

[0:15:40] Trustee Rogers: you will see the ambitious work that is being funded

[0:15:44] Trustee Rogers: mostly around environmental and climate change and education issues,

[0:15:49] Trustee Rogers: lots of projects that are going on.

[0:15:52] Trustee Rogers: There is some work around some community projects around housing,

[0:15:57] Trustee Rogers: particularly on Salt Spring.

[0:15:58] Trustee Rogers: There's been a funding of a review of the Ganges Development Plan,

[0:16:02] Trustee Rogers: All of which sort of, in a way, circles back to the issue of our authority under Section 3 of the Islands Trust Act and our mandate really protecting the environment.

[0:16:18] Trustee Rogers: There's been a lot of discussion around that over the last little while.

[0:16:23] Trustee Rogers: If anybody of you tuned in, you may have seen me speak to it somewhat.

[0:16:27] Trustee Rogers: somewhat. It should be noted that Section 3 of the Act has been pretty much, which is

[0:16:36] Trustee Rogers: our mandate, been there to protect and preserve, has been in the Islands Trust Act since the

[0:16:41] Trustee Rogers: beginning, since 1974 in its current form. It mandates us to protect not just the environment

[0:16:53] Trustee Rogers: but the unique amenities and in fact the trust area as a whole um and it's it's an interesting

[0:16:59] Trustee Rogers: discussion about the various uh perspectives that people have related to what that means

[0:17:06] Trustee Rogers: and and how how it uh unfolds both at a local trust area level and at a um at a uh at a trust

[0:17:16] Trustee Rogers: area wide level so that's what the discussion was and we continue to do that uh that work and

[0:17:22] Trustee Rogers: And of course, as always with the trust policy statement or any large document and rewrite like that, bylaws, the real work happens when we get into the actual proposals and the language that will be coming forward.

[0:17:37] Trustee Rogers: forward. It will address very clearly reconciliation, it'll address squarely the issue of climate

[0:17:45] Trustee Rogers: change and it will now contain some issues around communities and what those look like

[0:17:51] Trustee Rogers: in the context of all of the other larger issues. And we'll be discussing and debating

[0:17:57] Trustee Rogers: presumably in June sometime a sort of a first look at what a new trust policy statement

[0:18:03] Trustee Rogers: might look like as well we adopted the budget as i said um since that time when you know i've had

[0:18:10] Trustee Rogers: a number of local trust committee meetings and uh i've now um i'm now just out of interest

[0:18:16] Trustee Rogers: um sitting on as the trust representative on a provincial advisory group related to short-term

[0:18:24] Trustee Rogers: rentals uh from the sort of to so that the because the province is looking at it from a larger

[0:18:30] Trustee Rogers: your perspective and looking at what kinds of policies can come in and help out. I also wanted

[0:18:35] Trustee Rogers: to flag one other thing is just so people are aware, because I don't just, we have a very busy

[0:18:42] Trustee Rogers: agenda at Galea. You know, there's four, well, three current large applications, I'll call them

[0:18:50] Trustee Rogers: large applications that are detailed and another one potentially in the works. And I get a lot of

[0:18:59] Trustee Rogers: emails from a lot of different people um and i've i read everything uh just so you're clear though i

[0:19:05] Trustee Rogers: don't respond to everything and because if i did that i would not be doing anything else but

[0:19:11] Trustee Rogers: responding to every email that i get i try and respond to those that require a response but i

[0:19:17] Trustee Rogers: do not respond to everyone because i also chair gabriola and main island as well as sit on the

[0:19:22] Trustee Rogers: executive committee and have my own trust area that i that i am a trustee and so please don't

[0:19:29] Trustee Rogers: i sometimes get a question from folks you never responded and the reason is is because unless

[0:19:36] Trustee Rogers: there's a a burning issue or a and i shouldn't say an issue but a burning question that needs

[0:19:42] Trustee Rogers: to be answered related to process or someone is unclear on what to do i tend to take submissions

[0:19:48] Trustee Rogers: some people as just that as their their point of view and uh and i and i take it into account and

[0:19:56] Trustee Rogers: read it and try and understand it and it's only when there's something that clearly needs a

[0:20:00] Trustee Rogers: response that i actually answer that so just so you're clear about that um that's sort of my

[0:20:08] Trustee Rogers: chairs well that is my chairs report we have an executive committee meeting on wednesday and we'll

[0:20:15] Trustee Rogers: they'll be looking at a variety of things.

[0:20:19] Trustee Rogers: And then all of the various other meetings

[0:20:23] Trustee Rogers: that are going on in turn,

[0:20:25] Trustee Rogers: including the Trust Policy Committee,

[0:20:27] Trustee Rogers: the Trust Programs Committee that I sit on.

[0:20:31] Trustee Rogers: So that's my chair's report.

[0:20:35] Trustee Rogers: So next on our agenda is the Town Hall and questions.

[0:20:41] Trustee Rogers: Before we get into that,

[0:20:42] Trustee Rogers: that, I want to just flag a few things for you. One is, I know that there are a number of people

[0:20:51] Trustee Rogers: that wish to speak in the town hall, and I'm guessing there's a number of people that want

[0:20:57] Trustee Rogers: to speak on certain things that one or the other trustee is recusing themselves from. So we're

[0:21:03] Trustee Rogers: going to try and do this in an organized fashion and work our way through a whole plan. We're

[0:21:11] Trustee Rogers: We're a ways away from your application yet.

[0:21:13] Trustee Rogers: So, but we'll get to it.

[0:21:16] Voice 6: Sorry.

[0:21:17] Trustee Rogers: That's okay.

[0:21:19] Trustee Rogers: And so we'll, you know, just so you're conscious

[0:21:25] Trustee Rogers: of what a town hall amounts to is that a town hall

[0:21:28] Trustee Rogers: is an opportunity for you to speak to the trustees

[0:21:31] Trustee Rogers: about an issue that's important.

[0:21:33] Trustee Rogers: It's actually not a legislative mandated opportunity

[0:21:39] Trustee Rogers: opportunity and and so it's our process that we think it's important for us to to listen to and

[0:21:47] Trustee Rogers: hear the considerations of the of the community related to issues that are are important for

[0:21:53] Trustee Rogers: for the community it's not a public hearing however and so to some extent we have some

[0:22:00] Trustee Rogers: leeway to control the the time limits and the the people that and the topics that are addressed

[0:22:06] Trustee Rogers: I tend to be of the view that people should have the opportunity to speak to us to a large extent, but we do have a number of requirements if you want to speak to us.

[0:22:17] Trustee Rogers: First of all, in particular today, because I know there's a number of people that want to speak about one of the applications that is on our agenda, I'm going to ask people to keep their comments to no more than three minutes.

[0:22:29] Trustee Rogers: The second thing is, it's incredibly important as this discourse goes on throughout the community related to various applications and work of the trust, that people be respectful and keep their comments respectful.

[0:22:45] Trustee Rogers: This is about talking to us.

[0:22:47] Trustee Rogers: It's not about talking to the rest of the community.

[0:22:50] Trustee Rogers: it's about talking to us and giving us your point of view but also being respectful both of of us

[0:22:57] Trustee Rogers: and of the whoever the applicant or the other people involved are there's various points of

[0:23:02] Trustee Rogers: view on the island related to any number of matters and that that it seems to appear on every

[0:23:07] Trustee Rogers: almost every application that we get so i'm i'm um i am expecting you and we'll be requiring you

[0:23:14] Trustee Rogers: to be respectful and appropriate in the way you speak that you address the issues and not people

[0:23:19] Trustee Rogers: or personalities involved in the application.

[0:23:24] Trustee Rogers: This is intended to be a safe space,

[0:23:27] Trustee Rogers: not just, and it will be a safe space,

[0:23:30] Trustee Rogers: not just for yourself,

[0:23:32] Trustee Rogers: but also for everybody else in the community

[0:23:35] Trustee Rogers: that comes to watch,

[0:23:37] Trustee Rogers: but also for us because this is our workplace

[0:23:41] Trustee Rogers: and it's the workplace of the staff

[0:23:45] Trustee Rogers: and it's the workplace of your trustees.

[0:23:46] Trustee Rogers: and so um we're happy to listen to you and to various points of view but i'm going to reiterate

[0:23:54] Trustee Rogers: because i've read a number of the commentaries which i believe avert to veer into the personal

[0:24:01] Trustee Rogers: and into the um uh and to some occasionally inappropriate comments and i'm asking you uh

[0:24:09] Trustee Rogers: not to do that and and to simply stick to the issue make your point and move on and if your

[0:24:16] Trustee Rogers: language is appropriate that's great plus it's much more effective to talk to us in that way

[0:24:21] Trustee Rogers: because we listen in a much more open-hearted way and we want to listen to you in an open-hearted

[0:24:26] Trustee Rogers: way if you're respectful and and appropriate in your language so having said that uh all of that

[0:24:34] Trustee Rogers: i and that addresses everything i'd like to um uh i i'm guessing without knowing um if there's

[0:24:42] Trustee Rogers: There's people that can wait for their comments related to, for example, Giggers or to something

[0:24:48] Trustee Rogers: else on our agenda, or something that's not on our agenda until the end.

[0:24:53] Trustee Rogers: That would be helpful, but if you cannot, I understand people have other commitments

[0:24:57] Trustee Rogers: and I can't guarantee you when that will be.

[0:25:00] Trustee Rogers: So I'm going to ask, first of all, if I could see, and I have a list, a show of hands, remembering

[0:25:06] Trustee Rogers: that applicants do not need to speak to us in town hall because they will have an opportunity

[0:25:11] Trustee Rogers: and we have three applications that are on our agenda today applicants will have an opportunity

[0:25:16] Trustee Rogers: to speak to us during the application and so the applicants do not wish to speak if you wish to

[0:25:22] Trustee Rogers: speak to us related to crystal mountain uh application and i know there are a series of

[0:25:30] Trustee Rogers: those folks could you please put up your hand i also have been advised that there's a group of one

[0:25:36] Trustee Rogers: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

[0:25:39] Trustee Rogers: I think it's eight folks that wish to speak

[0:25:43] Trustee Rogers: in a particular order.

[0:25:45] Trustee Rogers: And I'm prepared to allow that to occur

[0:25:47] Trustee Rogers: as long as everybody respects the timeline.

[0:25:51] Trustee Rogers: So all the hands I'm seeing now

[0:25:54] Trustee Rogers: should be related to

[0:25:55] Voice 12: Crystal Mountain.

[0:26:04] Voice 12: Okay, so what I'm going to start

[0:26:07] Trustee Rogers: with is

[0:26:08] Trustee Rogers: is I'm going to take the first comment from Mr. Ryback

[0:26:14] Trustee Rogers: and then I'm going to move into the list

[0:26:17] Trustee Rogers: as provided to me by Raisa Smith,

[0:26:21] Trustee Rogers: which starts with Art Moses.

[0:26:24] Trustee Rogers: So I'll go first with Mr. Ryback

[0:26:27] Trustee Rogers: and then I'll go to the list

[0:26:28] Trustee Rogers: that was provided to me in advance.

[0:26:30] Trustee Rogers: And again, if you could keep your comments,

[0:26:32] Trustee Rogers: I'm gonna set a timer today to three minutes.

[0:26:34] Trustee Rogers: So over to Stephen Ryback, if you could promote him and then give him the opportunity to, if that's okay, Maple, if you can promote him and give him the opportunity to turn his camera on, if he wishes.

[0:26:52] Voice 8: It's not necessary.

[0:26:55] Voice 8: necessary. Crystal Mountain, I would support moving to a community information meeting as this

[0:27:01] Voice 8: application has been around for far, far, far too long on the community agenda. I have a

[0:27:10] Voice 8: couple of minor questions that I would hope that you could consider or that the applicant

[0:27:16] Voice 8: could consider, and it basically is, why two subparcels? I realize this is a choice of the

[0:27:23] Voice 8: the applicant, but two sub-parcels will require two access roads, two cooking areas, two septic

[0:27:30] Voice 8: fields, would it not be better to have contiguous properties that would prevent any further forest

[0:27:41] Voice 8: fragmentation and still achieve the privacy goals that Crystal Mountain has set for itself?

[0:27:53] Voice 8: so could you not combine them into one one parcel rather than the two right

[0:27:59] Trustee Rogers: thank you thank you mr

[0:28:01] Trustee Rogers: ibex that's a question we've been i've seen posed in a number of emails and i'm sure it'll be uh

[0:28:06] Trustee Rogers: addressed but i thank you for raising it so is that it was that it are you done yes i guess you

[0:28:13] Trustee Rogers: are

[0:28:13] Voice 8: uh i've got a couple of other comments that uh i will bite my tongue on for a while but they

[0:28:18] Voice 8: They are different subjects.

[0:28:20] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[0:28:21] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I'm going to move Mr. Ryback back.

[0:28:26] Trustee Rogers: And then according to the list that Ms. Smith gave me,

[0:28:31] Trustee Rogers: the next speaker should be Mr. Moses.

[0:28:45] Voice 5: Hello, trustees.

[0:28:47] Voice 5: I'm trying to figure out how to put my video on,

[0:28:51] Voice 5: but I can't figure it out.

[0:28:52] Voice 5: So maybe you'll have to do without seeing me.

[0:28:59] Voice 5: Yeah, I

[0:29:00] Voice 12: can't figure it out.

[0:29:07] Voice 12: The bottom left of most

[0:29:09] Trustee Rogers: screens has a start video.

[0:29:15] Trustee Rogers: There you go.

[0:29:16] Voice 5: Okay, here we are.

[0:29:18] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[0:29:19] Voice 5: I just panicked when my screen went black.

[0:29:23] Voice 5: Thanks, trustees, for having our say.

[0:29:27] Voice 5: Well, I welcome the latest staff report in so far at the prohibition against cooking facilities in sleeping cabins.

[0:29:37] Voice 5: And a shout out, thank you to Trustee Rockefeller for her motion at the last LTC in October, the last time this came up.

[0:29:47] Voice 5: and welcome the abandonment of the plan to reroute the emergency access and the main access to the facility away from the roadbed, the established roadbed.

[0:30:00] Voice 5: The latest proposal does raise serious concerns, continuing concerns.

[0:30:07] Voice 5: First, there are larger cabins and more density on the lower retreat area.

[0:30:12] Voice 5: They're now asking for five larger cabins, including two on the lower retreat area and three on the upper area.

[0:30:19] Voice 5: These 225 square foot cabins were nowhere mentioned in negotiations with North End neighbors in 2011 when the cabins we were assured would be no more than 160 square feet.

[0:30:32] Voice 5: I should be talking about square feet.

[0:30:35] Voice 5: And because they are now proposing these cabins on the upper ridge, there's one more, three cabins on the upper ridge, there's one more in the lower area, including two of the larger ones.

[0:30:46] Voice 5: So that's 19 in the lower area and six camping sites.

[0:30:50] Voice 5: The level of activity and these proposed facilities for visitor accommodation represents it's far too dense and intense for this area,

[0:31:02] Voice 5: which is currently zoned for forest only with no no closed buildings of any kind allowed.

[0:31:08] Voice 5: out. The current zoning for this property is one house and 50 acres, which is the size of their

[0:31:15] Voice 5: forest lot. But the site plan shows cabins and other structures scattered throughout the

[0:31:22] Voice 5: developable area. This is a very bad precedent for development on forest land. And I appeal to

[0:31:29] Voice 5: the trustees to address that. The upper retreat area, the other significant problem is the upper

[0:31:37] Voice 5: retreat area now has new infrastructure and it continues to fragment the forest as Mr. Ryback

[0:31:44] Voice 5: just pointed out. There's another configuration for the first time with septic system and a well

[0:31:51] Voice 5: indicated and once again there's no recognition in the bylaws, in the draft bylaws that this

[0:31:57] Voice 5: represents severe fragmentation of the forest and it's contrary to policies against fragmentation

[0:32:03] Voice 5: of the forest that are in our official community plan, and I believe the Islands Trust policy

[0:32:08] Voice 5: statement addresses it. In negotiations with North End Neighbors in 2017, Crystal Mountain

[0:32:15] Voice 5: representatives agreed that they would seek some kind of explicit recognition from the LTC

[0:32:21] Voice 5: that the upper retreat area violates OCP policy, but there is no such recognition in the draft

[0:32:28] Voice 5: bylaws and it would set a very dangerous precedent. Yes, they've agreed to transfer 75% of the land

[0:32:34] Voice 5: in return for a density greater than what they would otherwise be entitled, but never in the

[0:32:39] Voice 5: history of using this model, the 75-25 rural residential heritage forest model for greater

[0:32:48] Voice 5: forest development has the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee ever sanctioned chopping up the

[0:32:55] Voice 5: the developable area into two distinct sections.

[0:32:58] Voice 5: It just has never happened.

[0:32:59] Voice 5: The policy has always been to require

[0:33:02] Voice 5: clustered contiguous development in one section of the lot,

[0:33:05] Voice 5: not carrying the developable,

[0:33:07] Voice 5: not carving the area into unconnected sections.

[0:33:10] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Moseley, I'm going to ask you to wrap up.

[0:33:12] Trustee Rogers: You've gone well over your three minutes now, thank you.

[0:33:14] Voice 5: I will wrap up as much as I can.

[0:33:18] Voice 5: You know, at the same time-

[0:33:18] Trustee Rogers: No, no, I'm telling you to wrap up, please.

[0:33:21] Trustee Rogers: Okay,

[0:33:23] Voice 5: so what I'm asking the local trust committee to do is to avoid these very bad precedents

[0:33:29] Voice 5: and at the very least address the fragmentation by eliminating the upper area and in the lower

[0:33:35] Voice 5: area, reduce the number of buildings. Crystal Mountain has said they've never had more than 16

[0:33:41] Voice 5: retreatants in their summer retreats at any one time. So reduce that density at the very least

[0:33:47] Voice 5: to six camping sites and uh and 10 and no more than 10 cabins

[0:33:52] Voice 12: on the lower level thank you very

[0:33:54] Voice 12: much thanks

[0:33:55] Voice 5: sorry

[0:34:00] Voice 12: is it rice or risa i thought it

[0:34:01] Trustee Rogers: was recent someone told me it was rice i'm not sure

[0:34:04] Trustee Rogers: it's which is which is correct promote her for us it's

[0:34:09] Voice 20: risa that's

[0:34:10] Trustee Rogers: what i thought and then someone

[0:34:11] Trustee Rogers: told me it was risa and i i i would thought i'd been doing it wrong all the time so go ahead

[0:34:17] Voice 12: We can't hear you, Risa.

[0:34:33] Voice 12: You're muted.

[0:34:36] Voice 12: You're still muted.

[0:34:38] Voice 12: There you go.

[0:34:38] Voice 12: Can you hear me now?

[0:34:39] Voice 12: Yep.

[0:34:40] Trustee Smith: Thank you very much.

[0:34:41] Trustee Smith: Okay.

[0:34:42] Trustee Smith: Thank you to Keith Erickson for an informative ecosystem-based plan

[0:34:46] Trustee Smith: and to Planner Smith for a clear and transparent staff report.

[0:34:51] Trustee Smith: The objective of this new classification, as currently written in the staff report,

[0:34:55] Trustee Smith: is to encourage spiritual education facilities that enhance the knowledge

[0:34:59] Trustee Smith: and well-being of residents and visitors that do not adversely affect the natural environment.

[0:35:07] Trustee Smith: The new configuration indeed has a significant adverse effect on the natural environment

[0:35:11] Trustee Smith: and the well-being of Galliano residents. On the issue of adversely affecting the natural

[0:35:16] Trustee Smith: environment, the ecosystem-based plan wisely recommends avoiding sensitive areas. Yet an

[0:35:22] Trustee Smith: overlay of the ecosystem types, map two in the Erickson report, with the site map, which I did,

[0:35:28] Trustee Smith: shows the new hook in the upper area infringes on two sensitive areas,

[0:35:33] Trustee Smith: the mature forest ridge and the mature forest steep slope.

[0:35:37] Trustee Smith: These are the areas in Table 3, page 9 of the staff report

[0:35:41] Trustee Smith: that show percentages of sensitive areas to be retained by the developer.

[0:35:46] Trustee Smith: The Erickson report also notes that in the lower area of the meditation hall,

[0:35:50] Trustee Smith: Polygon 1A is cited on a sensitive area.

[0:35:54] Trustee Smith: On the well-being of residents,

[0:35:55] Trustee Smith: Recent research has indicated clearly that the use of trails in natural areas in Canada and the world has increased significantly during COVID-19, because walking in nature is the only reprieve from the isolation felt by many due to pandemic restrictions.

[0:36:12] Trustee Smith: Anyone who lives on Galliano knows the importance of this always, but particularly in the past year.

[0:36:17] Trustee Smith: This hook in the new plan manages to usurp the entire ridge, effectively cutting off ecological continuity between the middle and upper areas that would be nature reserve, infringing on sensitive areas, and disconnecting an existing walking trail from the neighbouring properties to DL 87.

[0:36:36] Trustee Smith: seven. This hook looks innocuous on a flat piece of paper, but on the land, it's effectively a

[0:36:44] Trustee Smith: fence adjacent to a cliff that further fragments what is already a highly fragmented proposal

[0:36:50] Trustee Smith: and the well-being of residents. This developer has not negotiated in good faith and has

[0:36:55] Trustee Smith: indeed provided a proposal significantly worse than anything so far. All rezoning needs to take

[0:37:02] Trustee Smith: a whole island approach i will remind the ltc that the north end of galliano already has two legal

[0:37:07] Trustee Smith: resorts whose guests along with cm visitors use the very scarce public amenities at the north end

[0:37:14] Trustee Smith: at a very minimum the ltc should require as they did with the rezoning of the

[0:37:18] Trustee Smith: millard learning center a gazetted public trail on the view ridge that connects to existing trails

[0:37:25] Trustee Smith: finally should you decide to move to the planners recommended next steps i would suggest that you

[0:37:30] Trustee Smith: strike a special APC for that purpose. And it's interesting that Trustee Wolverton just mentioned

[0:37:38] Trustee Smith: this. I was a bit surprised by that. But I don't know, maybe we're reading each other's brains or

[0:37:42] Trustee Smith: something. The great people of our APC would not claim to have the expertise to examine the

[0:37:47] Trustee Smith: technical aspects of both well-being and ecology for a proposal like this. My recommendation is to

[0:37:53] Trustee Smith: to stop this rezoning.

[0:37:55] Trustee Smith: But if it goes ahead, at a very minimum,

[0:37:58] Trustee Smith: deal with the fragmentation, have a special APC

[0:38:02] Trustee Smith: and take all development off the sensitive areas

[0:38:05] Trustee Smith: and get rid of that hook.

[0:38:07] Trustee Smith: Thanks very much.

[0:38:13] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[0:38:13] Trustee Rogers: And I do appreciate, I'll just speaking for myself,

[0:38:17] Trustee Rogers: when people identify specific items that are,

[0:38:21] Trustee Rogers: or if they just say they're opposed

[0:38:23] Trustee Rogers: to the application generally.

[0:38:24] Trustee Rogers: The next person on the list is John Ronsley.

[0:38:28] Trustee Rogers: Is John here?

[0:38:34] Voice 16: Chair Rogers, I don't think I see John on the list,

[0:38:37] Voice 16: but let me just double check quickly.

[0:38:39] Voice 16: I

[0:38:39] Trustee Rogers: don't see him either.

[0:38:41] Trustee Rogers: So then I'll move to the next person,

[0:38:44] Trustee Rogers: which is Suzanne

[0:38:45] Voice 12: Fournier, who may be under,

[0:38:56] Voice 12: oh, did we define Suzanne?

[0:38:59] Trustee Rogers: There she is.

[0:39:02] Voice 13: And I think I unmuted myself.

[0:39:04] Voice 13: Yup,

[0:39:04] Trustee Rogers: no, we can hear you, Suzanne, go ahead.

[0:39:06] Trustee Rogers: Okay,

[0:39:07] Voice 13: thank you. Good morning, everyone. Afternoon, as it may be. I'd like to request to read a statement from Dr. Brett Finlay, who has to conduct a PhD defense at UBC today.

[0:39:22] Voice 13: His concerns are...

[0:39:24] Trustee Rogers: Is it different than the letter he wrote us? He wrote us a letter yesterday.

[0:39:27] Voice 13: It is quite different because we've had

[0:39:29] Voice 13: quite a bit of consultation and he sent me a long email last night as well.

[0:39:34] Voice 13: um okay uh dr brett finley who is um an author and the ubc peter wall distinguished professor

[0:39:43] Voice 13: at ubc um owns a property at the top of off cook road um it is a beautiful ridge uh that runs

[0:39:54] Voice 13: from his property one other property owner to district lot 87 and then to the crystal mountain

[0:40:01] Voice 13: property it is a beautiful ridge the same geological formation as bodega ridge and

[0:40:07] Voice 13: dr finley keeps this entire area mowed and accessible for the public it's a wonderful

[0:40:15] Voice 13: 45 minute walk that goes through the easement along the ridge down dl87 along old cook road

[0:40:23] Voice 13: and back to the easement. It really is a special walk. He compares the closing of this walk,

[0:40:34] Voice 13: which Crystal Mountain has requested, to the closing of Bodega Ridge, because it provides

[0:40:41] Voice 13: unique views of the North End that are not accessed anywhere else. And it is simply through

[0:40:47] Voice 13: the graciousness of people like Brett and Jane Finley, that the public can actually walk and

[0:40:52] Voice 13: access uh this ridge at all um dr finley on his own uh had mark weber and his new wife over for

[0:41:00] Voice 13: dinner and requested that they maintain the access um so he's approached uh privately in a very

[0:41:07] Voice 13: friendly manner and was told that not only would i'm not gonna

[0:41:10] Trustee Rogers: ask you not to sort of get us into

[0:41:12] Trustee Rogers: conversations that occurred between that you weren't present for etc mr finley i just don't

[0:41:19] Trustee Rogers: think that's helpful okay let's

[0:41:22] Trustee Rogers: let's keep to the issues and let's just keep the the this

[0:41:27] Voice 13: is in the

[0:41:27] Voice 13: report so i will refer to that uh crystal mountain has requested that the stupa which is actually on

[0:41:33] Voice 13: the land to be a stupa by the way uh dan since you look puzzled is a buddhist uh monument it's

[0:41:40] Voice 13: painting

[0:41:40] Trustee Rogers: you're talking about the pagoda that sorry i've seen it referred to as the pagoda

[0:41:44] Trustee Rogers: Okay, pagoda. Crystal

[0:41:46] Voice 13: Mountain is now referring that that pagoda be cut off from the land to be given to the ITC.

[0:41:53] Voice 13: So effectively, Mark Webber would have access from his private house and his property where he maintains four separate residences on a 10-acre lot along that private trail to the cabin.

[0:42:08] Voice 13: And then along Brett Finley's land, through which they also plan to bring porta-potties and presumably septic pump-outs, the equipment for a communal kitchen and the equipment for a septic field and tank installation.

[0:42:26] Voice 13: Dr. Finlay said in his last email to me that he cannot understand why after 20 years of

[0:42:34] Voice 13: a history of violations of the OCP, Crystal Mountain has been given this extraordinary

[0:42:40] Voice 13: privilege of continuing its business when a forest lot owner with a very large lot is

[0:42:46] Voice 13: told that they cannot even have a single residence.

[0:42:49] Voice 13: residents. So he wanted me to convey his considerable concern as both the co-founder

[0:42:56] Voice 13: of the Galliano Trail Society and as a medical and scientific professional who has really made his

[0:43:03] Voice 13: reputation on the access of adults and children to the natural environment. He says this violates

[0:43:10] Voice 13: every tenet for which he stood for in his professional life. And then I have my three

[0:43:19] Voice 13: minute presentation as well um we were we were told that um this uh the crystal mountain package

[0:43:28] Voice 13: would be on your agenda um and we had less than a week to respond we've endured 20 20 years of

[0:43:36] Voice 13: retreats of crystal mountain in our website and we waited seven years for an accurate site plan

[0:43:41] Voice 13: and a decade for an updated ecological report now we each have three minutes to respond

[0:43:46] Voice 13: fogged. The new site plan increases the size and scope of Crystal Mountain on ecologically

[0:43:53] Voice 13: sensitive land while completely cutting off public access to the best two viewpoints at the

[0:43:58] Voice 13: north end. It would be as though we open the Bodega Ridge to an international monastery and

[0:44:03] Voice 13: put a big red X on the sign saying to the public, keep out. I'm not exaggerating here. Crystal

[0:44:10] Voice 13: Mountain's own website notes visitors come from Canada, New Zealand, the U.S., and Europe, and

[0:44:15] Voice 13: And it's already advertising and taking registrations for its next retreat in the third wave of the pandemic from July 3rd to August 1st.

[0:44:24] Voice 13: We raised that with a trustee and were told they could do nothing.

[0:44:29] Voice 13: We think that's not the case.

[0:44:32] Voice 13: You're holding your meetings to protect yourselves.

[0:44:34] Voice 13: We have Crystal Mountain people who don't stay on their property.

[0:44:37] Voice 13: They use trails.

[0:44:38] Voice 13: They use public roads.

[0:44:39] Voice 13: they use public beach accesses and they basically take over our neighborhood for a whole month

[0:44:45] Voice 13: um you know i really want you to dig deep here to think what you can do about that

[0:44:51] Voice 13: we worked very hard to elect trustees who pledged to uphold the islands trust act and respect

[0:44:57] Voice 13: galliano's ocp your top priorities are the climate crisis you promised to put the environment first

[0:45:04] Voice 13: and respect our fragile water resources and minimize fire danger you promised you would

[0:45:09] Voice 13: not be developer driven or put the proponent ahead of community the density of this development is

[0:45:15] Voice 13: staggering between two disconnected hooks of land crystal mountain wants 15 919 square feet of

[0:45:24] Voice 13: build-out all in 15 acres imagine if another developer such as mr dewinnets who has parcels

[0:45:32] Voice 13: of 20 acre lots wanted 20 people per 20 acre lot in fact under precedent he'd be entitled to exactly

[0:45:39] Voice 13: that zoning belongs to the land not the people but right now galliano trustees are limiting with

[0:45:46] Voice 13: stvr bylaws for reasons of water safety and water scarcity the number of ways that that tourists can

[0:45:55] Voice 13: come to our island one galliano trustee has posted publicly in social media and has been quoted in

[0:46:01] Voice 13: the media as telling people not to come to galliano right now yet at the north end we are

[0:46:06] Voice 13: told we have to accept this massive development because they're giving away their land to the

[0:46:11] Voice 13: island's trust converse conservancy while we're already heavily impacted by two major resorts and

[0:46:17] Voice 13: a planning expansion of bodega cove with a hotel fine dining restaurant and a wine bar and a dock

[0:46:23] Voice 13: that will accept seaplanes um the upper ridge should be a complete non-starter we know that

[0:46:32] Voice 13: crystal mountain has at least four drilled wells we got no enforcement during a pandemic even when

[0:46:38] Voice 13: we called the health inspector the building inspector our elected trustees and the ltc

[0:46:43] Voice 13: inspectors not one would come up and see what it looked like with the retreat on that property

[0:46:49] Voice 13: after 20 years um they are using the the new site plan just to keep their options open

[0:46:56] Voice 13: to host the 21st retreat meanwhile downstream the thorstein sins have had a 52-year water

[0:47:03] Voice 13: license from spotlight creek have contaminated wells that have made the whole family sick

[0:47:08] Voice 13: it is difficult to prove but cm has two outhouses right above spotlight creek

[0:47:13] Voice 13: Creek and at its pandemic retreat last summer buried a pit of food waste or garbage right above

[0:47:19] Voice 13: the creek. I can provide photos if you like. Crystal Mountain at the same time uses and

[0:47:25] Voice 13: advertises all of Galliano's public amenities. They can't even get from one part of their

[0:47:30] Voice 13: development to the other without using our roads and trails. The upper ridge is stunningly beautiful.

[0:47:38] Voice 13: I walked it three days ago.

[0:47:39] Voice 13: It's an utterly unique view of North Galliano.

[0:47:43] Voice 13: It's ironic that private landowners have kept this available.

[0:47:49] Voice 13: And now, essentially, Crystal Mountain wants to keep that trail for the private use of Mark Webber and his adherents.

[0:47:58] Voice 13: I'm

[0:47:59] Trustee Rogers: going to ask you to wrap up, please.

[0:48:00] Trustee Rogers: Your three minutes is up.

[0:48:01] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:48:02] Voice 13: Okay. I point out that with the several wells on the property, and one of the wells, the primary well, has a very low flow.

[0:48:11] Voice 13: They plan to have a trickle feed to cisterns.

[0:48:17] Voice 13: The rainwater, their water use figures are drastically underestimated.

[0:48:24] Voice 13: I'm sure that if the Islands Trust water person does it, he'll point that out.

[0:48:28] Voice 13: when the primary well or the new well on the ridge run dry as they inevitably will who is to stop

[0:48:35] Voice 13: crystal mountain from opening its well right above spotlight cove and sucking dry their limited

[0:48:40] Voice 13: groundwater wells remember there's been no enforcement of anything crystal mountain has

[0:48:46] Voice 13: done for the last 20 retreats why would 21 2021 be any different and at this point scientists like

[0:48:53] Voice 13: mathematical modeler

[0:48:56] Voice 13: are saying that the variants

[0:48:58] Voice 13: some of which appear to be vaccine proof

[0:49:00] Voice 13: may make this summer the worst wave

[0:49:02] Voice 13: of the pandemic so far

[0:49:04] Voice 13: do we want international spiritual

[0:49:06] Voice 13: tourism on North Galliano

[0:49:08] Voice 13: they cover our whole community

[0:49:11] Voice 13: when they visit here

[0:49:12] Voice 13: and we are confident that you would not

[0:49:14] Voice 13: want them on the south end

[0:49:16] Voice 13: where they would be in contact with

[0:49:18] Voice 13: the majority of the Galliano population

[0:49:21] Voice 13: thank you for your time

[0:49:27] Trustee Rogers: okay the next person and i just just want to point out of course that the comment was made that

[0:49:32] Trustee Rogers: we get three minutes to respond of course this is we aren't even at first reading of any

[0:49:37] Trustee Rogers: bylaws yet there will be many opportunities for public comment going forward if this matter

[0:49:44] Trustee Rogers: proceeds now the next person on the list that i was given was serena coots

[0:49:49] Voice 12: isn't this coots here

[0:50:10] Voice 12: there we go okay can you hear me i can okay

[0:50:13] Voice 24: perfect sorry i'm uh having to connect through

[0:50:16] Voice 24: through data so it's a bit tricky um okay i'm i will make it quick um i'm a north end resident

[0:50:23] Voice 24: as well i'm newer to the island i've been here for about four years um i as i said in the last

[0:50:30] Voice 24: ltc meeting that we had regarding crystal mountain i have many serious concerns but um i do feel

[0:50:36] Voice 24: there's a couple things that haven't been um kind of aren't aren't aren't spoken about in the new

[0:50:42] Voice 24: new plan one of which is the um Suzanne touched on it but the food waste I think that as a

[0:50:48] Voice 24: commercial enterprise if this development was to go through that um food how waste and garbage

[0:50:56] Voice 24: is dealt with by this commercial enterprise would need to be kind of uh there would need to be kind

[0:51:02] Voice 24: of strict rules and regulations to be followed um mainly because in their past retreat in the

[0:51:09] Voice 24: the summer there was a pit as suzanne had mentioned uh with food waste just put into a pit and if

[0:51:15] Voice 24: there was it's going to be the density that is expected at this um on this uh for this development

[0:51:23] Voice 24: um that would be a lot of food waste and it wouldn't one it doesn't compost properly but

[0:51:29] Voice 24: also it's about you know it's bad for the environment and it also could attract rats

[0:51:34] Voice 24: rats which we don't have a big rat problem in the north end yet um but you know there is on the

[0:51:39] Voice 24: island i know and also it's just not good i think it can introduce bacteria and pathogens into the

[0:51:44] Voice 24: water systems um and my second main thing that i'm concerned about that i don't know has been

[0:51:50] Voice 24: touched on too much is fire safety being in the north end especially with where crystal mountains

[0:51:55] Voice 24: located um if there was to be a fire on the development um and poorly it was blocked everybody

[0:52:02] Voice 24: Everybody who is north of Pourlieu would effectively be stuck since we don't have a secondary route.

[0:52:10] Voice 24: Well, we do, but through Crystal Mountain is the secondary route.

[0:52:15] Voice 24: And my main concern is that I know they're currently using propane stoves and propane is dangerous.

[0:52:21] Voice 24: And to have a development of this size that's all using propane is, I think, that's just opening up the possibility of significant fire risk in the North End.

[0:52:35] Voice 24: And that comes from someone who was an urbanite who became someone who is rural.

[0:52:38] Voice 24: And I know that their propane is tricky.

[0:52:41] Voice 24: And I don't know if wood is an option, if they're planning on using wood.

[0:52:45] Voice 24: But that's a whole other barrel of kind of worms that could be talked about.

[0:52:49] Voice 24: but those are my two significant things.

[0:52:52] Voice 24: I personally am opposed to the project.

[0:52:53] Voice 24: I think it's an inappropriately sized development

[0:52:57] Voice 24: for the area.

[0:52:58] Voice 24: And I don't think that it has enough community benefit

[0:53:00] Voice 24: to warrant it.

[0:53:02] Voice 24: Yeah, and that's all I'd like to say.

[0:53:04] Voice 24: Thank you for giving us the time to talk

[0:53:06] Voice 24: on this matter though.

[0:53:07] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Katrina.

[0:53:09] Voice 12: And

[0:53:09] Trustee Rogers: then I have Pat

[0:53:11] Voice 12: Mayhill was the next person.

[0:53:27] Voice 12: Can you hear me?

[0:53:28] Voice 12: I

[0:53:29] Trustee Rogers: can hear you.

[0:53:29] Trustee Rogers: You're welcome to turn your camera on if you wish to.

[0:53:32] Trustee Rogers: Okay,

[0:53:34] Voice 26: thank you. I do appreciate this opportunity. Our family property, which we've owned for 42 years, borders Forestry Lot A, the site of the proposed development, and we are appalled that an intense development, regardless of its purpose, would even be considered in a forest lot.

[0:53:59] Voice 26: yesterday i read all correspondence to galliano trustees from 2015 regarding the application by

[0:54:09] Voice 26: crystal mountain for rezoning the property in discussion there were 39 signatures on letters

[0:54:15] Voice 26: by written by those in favor some appearing more than once many of whom spoke of the personal

[0:54:20] Voice 26: benefit from attending sessions with crystal mountain the benefit of meditation is well

[0:54:26] Voice 26: recognized, yet it is not reliant on the approval of this request for rezoning. There were 63

[0:54:34] Voice 26: signatures on letters opposing this development, again some appearing more than once as emerging

[0:54:40] Voice 26: issues were addressed, and expressing concern for the natural environment, the ongoing availability

[0:54:46] Voice 26: of potable water, the potential for contamination of the earth, and the many other legitimate

[0:54:52] Voice 26: legitimate concerns. There are those neighbours who spoke at earlier meetings who now feel that

[0:54:58] Voice 26: they have not been heard. And I speak of elderly neighbours, long-time residents of Galliano,

[0:55:05] Voice 26: who have contributed in many ways to the Galliano community for the benefit of all,

[0:55:10] Voice 26: who can't talk about this anymore because it upsets them so much. Because of their proximity

[0:55:16] Voice 26: to Forest Lot A, they fear contamination of their water supplies as it has already happened to their

[0:55:23] Voice 26: neighbours and I trust you'll take them into consideration when making a decision. This is an

[0:55:30] Voice 26: issue for the whole island, not just for the North End. Forest degradation and fragmentation

[0:55:35] Voice 26: with resulting impact on our environment doesn't only happen on a grand scale, it happens by degrees.

[0:55:42] Voice 26: degrees. Fortunately, there is greater awareness, and if any of you were to send a CBC radio this

[0:55:48] Voice 26: morning, you would have heard how forest degradation and fragmentation impact viral

[0:55:55] Voice 26: transmission from animals to humans, hence SARS and COVID-19. Development is easy. Bring in heavy

[0:56:04] Voice 26: equipment, cut down trees, move earth and rocks, cut down more trees to create buildings. Some

[0:56:10] Voice 26: Some would say that it provides employment for locals, but it's very short term.

[0:56:15] Voice 26: It takes courage to oppose, to have foresight, as did those who created the official community plan that has served this island so well.

[0:56:28] Voice 26: I urge you, trustees, to stop this proposal now.

[0:56:34] Voice 26: You will have the appreciation of a large proportion of Galliano's population when you do.

[0:56:40] Voice 26: Thank you.

[0:56:40] Voice 26: okay

[0:56:47] Trustee Rogers: um tom mommison and again i ask people not to be repeat themselves about issues that we've

[0:56:54] Trustee Rogers: already had comment on if we possibly

[0:56:57] Voice 12: can plus

[0:57:06] Trustee Rogers: mr mommison we did get your letter email

[0:57:09] Trustee Rogers: it was either last night or early this morning i can't recall which now

[0:57:13] Trustee Rogers: it

[0:57:14] Voice 33: was it was sent late last night so you probably received it this morning

[0:57:20] Voice 33: I'm just trying to start my video here.

[0:57:23] Voice 33: Okay. Well, I appreciate that we're giving the chance here to put our thoughts in.

[0:57:32] Voice 33: And of course, because this has been going on for so long, there's a lot of repetition.

[0:57:39] Voice 33: And also because the developers haven't really moved into any direction that has been sort of suggested by the neighbors.

[0:57:48] Voice 33: obviously there has to be repetition

[0:57:51] Voice 33: because if there's no movement on one side

[0:57:53] Voice 33: what else can you do

[0:57:54] Voice 33: then point things out again

[0:57:55] Voice 33: anyway I'm trying to take

[0:57:57] Voice 33: a slightly different tack here

[0:57:58] Voice 33: and that is

[0:57:59] Voice 33: I'm going to just talk

[0:58:00] Voice 33: very briefly about energy

[0:58:02] Voice 33: it's an essential part

[0:58:04] Voice 33: of modern human existence

[0:58:05] Voice 33: and a key factor

[0:58:07] Voice 33: in man-made climate change

[0:58:08] Voice 33: therefore concerns about energy

[0:58:10] Voice 33: must be key foundation

[0:58:11] Voice 33: of every decision made

[0:58:13] Voice 33: Hi

[0:58:13] Planner: is Kevin there please?

[0:58:16] Voice 33: Kevin

[0:58:16] Planner: it's Phil Testamon

[0:58:17] Planner: calling you back from the Islands Trust

[0:58:19] Trustee Rogers: could you this is just hold on a minute we've got one of our planners he's got his he's got

[0:58:24] Trustee Rogers: his microphone open i'll try and get him to uh just

[0:58:27] Voice 16: put him on hold chair rogers for now thank

[0:58:30] Voice 16: you thank you

[0:58:31] Voice 16: go ahead

[0:58:32] Voice 33: okay so i have the floor again thank you um uh appropriately the galeano

[0:58:38] Voice 33: ocp reflects concern about climate change and therefore energy acquisition use and emissions

[0:58:43] Voice 33: under climate change policy actually states in review and development application the local

[0:58:48] Voice 33: trust committee will assess the potential greenhouse gas emission and climate change

[0:58:53] Voice 33: impacts anticipated to result from the development so that's that's the ground rules we're in the

[0:59:00] Voice 33: middle of a dual crisis climate change loss of the biodiversity of course the pandemic doesn't help

[0:59:05] Voice 33: yet the proposal fails to mention climate change climate change mitigation resource usage

[0:59:11] Voice 33: decarbonization or energy not even energy conservation gets a mention so i'm approaching

[0:59:17] Voice 33: I'm approaching my critique on energy footprint from two different angles. First, the energy infrastructure. Current zoning allows a single house, small cottage, lot nine, and so on and so on, single house on the other property, post rezoning, total three buildings.

[0:59:35] Voice 33: buildings. Independent of energy consumption, the difference in infrastructure between what

[0:59:41] Voice 33: is allowed and what is proposed is enormous, like the difference between three houses on

[0:59:45] Voice 33: one side and an entire village of 30 buildings on the other. Worse, the village is distributed

[0:59:52] Voice 33: over a large area that requires extensive connectivity. Cabling through the air needs

[0:59:59] Voice 33: it's treeless.

[1:00:00] Voice 33: corridors, cabling underground, requires ditching, crisscrossing the number of fragile ecosystems

[1:00:06] Voice 33: and increasing the degree of micro fragmentation, in addition to the macro fragmentation as

[1:00:11] Voice 33: you mentioned so many times.

[1:00:13] Voice 33: All this is anathema to the OCP, to the urgently needed reduction of human ecological footprint

[1:00:19] Voice 33: and completely inappropriate in a climate change world.

[1:00:23] Voice 33: Second, if the developers persist with running their extensive and energy intense operation

[1:00:30] Voice 33: off the grid using propane, the energy footprint

[1:00:32] Voice 33: and the emissions are huge.

[1:00:36] Voice 33: Currently, propane is used for heating buildings, water,

[1:00:42] Voice 33: and propane is also used for cooking and refrigeration,

[1:00:46] Voice 33: likely generating a cruelty for lights and pumping water.

[1:00:49] Voice 33: For all these applications, propane is one

[1:00:52] Voice 33: of the least efficient and most wasteful uses

[1:00:55] Voice 33: of fossil fuel.

[1:00:56] Voice 33: The distributed nature of power use

[1:00:58] Voice 33: in 30 different locations increases the inefficiency

[1:01:01] Voice 33: even further, small burners of any kind release far higher proportions of unburned and partially

[1:01:07] Voice 33: burned fuel. They have their own global warming potential. It's 100-fold or higher than for

[1:01:15] Voice 33: carbon dioxide already. So the overall emissions and hidden carbon footprint is extremely high.

[1:01:23] Voice 33: Besides, combusting any fuel hardly appears to be first choice in a drought-prone forested area.

[1:01:29] Voice 33: And also, the question of the proposing two bath houses seems, shall we say, misdirected in an area that has water shortages and fire bans in the summer.

[1:01:47] Voice 33: All the fossil fuel powering this development contributes to the problem of climate change and clearly is not part of the solution.

[1:01:53] Voice 33: And we certainly need multiple solutions to fend off the worst outcomes of climate change.

[1:01:59] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:02:00] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:02:01] Trustee Rogers: And thank you for your email last night.

[1:02:03] Trustee Rogers: The next person on the list was Akasha Forrest.

[1:02:18] Voice 12: Okay.

[1:02:19] Voice 12: Am I unmuted now?

[1:02:21] Voice 12: You are.

[1:02:22] Trustee Rogers: We cannot see you, but you're unmuted.

[1:02:24] Voice 22: Oh, okay.

[1:02:24] Voice 22: There we go.

[1:02:26] Voice 22: Okay.

[1:02:27] Voice 22: Good morning.

[1:02:28] Voice 22: Good afternoon, everyone.

[1:02:29] Voice 22: And thank you for listening to me.

[1:02:31] Voice 22: Most people have made the points that have been the ones that concern me.

[1:02:37] Voice 22: And I want to first of all start by acknowledging the amazing amount of work that has been done by Keith Erickson in his ecological report, by planner Brad Smith, and by our trustees in attempting to make our community work for everyone.

[1:02:58] Voice 22: So I want to acknowledge that effort. And my comments are really about the new priority that is emerging in the Islands Trust area, and that is the fragility of the coastal Douglas fir eco zone and the associated ecosystems.

[1:03:15] Voice 22: systems. And as Risa Smith has pointed out, this particular

[1:03:20] Voice 22: development, even though there's been a huge attempt by both the

[1:03:25] Voice 22: neighbors, and by planners, and by Keith Erickson, to delineate

[1:03:32] Voice 22: an area that could be and is proposed to be transferred by

[1:03:39] Voice 22: title to the Islands Trust Conservancy, there has been a

[1:03:43] Voice 22: huge effort to protect 75% of the property. But it seems to me that the scale of the development

[1:03:50] Voice 22: to try to embed that size of a development within a very challenging topography is almost

[1:04:00] Voice 22: impossible. It seems to be from what I've read of the report and from what people with scientific

[1:04:07] Voice 22: expertise have analyzed and come to the conclusion that it's not really possible to have a sustainable

[1:04:13] Voice 22: development in this kind of a configuration. So what I'd like to, what I would like to refer to

[1:04:20] Voice 22: is that I have found that on Sunspring, there is a new working group, a new science working group

[1:04:26] Voice 22: for the protection of the coastal Douglas fir zone and the associated ecosystems that attempts

[1:04:34] Voice 22: to bring expertise to deal with this issue of development.

[1:04:39] Voice 22: It's acknowledged already on Galliano.

[1:04:42] Voice 22: We're going to need to have some kind of developments

[1:04:45] Voice 22: that will have increased density,

[1:04:47] Voice 22: especially for affordable housing, for example.

[1:04:50] Voice 22: We will need that expertise to help us

[1:04:53] Voice 22: really design developments that will not impact

[1:04:58] Voice 22: or in fact destroy what's left of the coastal Douglas fir,

[1:05:02] Voice 22: which is at a crisis point i think we all recognize that so my suggestion is can i just

[1:05:09] Voice 22: can

[1:05:10] Voice 20: i just ask akasha you froze there and i think i missed part of your sentence okay

[1:05:15] Voice 22: i what i think

[1:05:17] Voice 22: um you may have missed is that i want to say i really support your uh suggestion uh trustee

[1:05:24] Voice 22: wolverton of designing a special apc with expertise in forest ecology to help um to help

[1:05:33] Voice 22: with science-based decisions for development i think everyone's doing their best but we really

[1:05:39] Voice 22: need at this point in time with all these conjoining crises of climate change social

[1:05:46] Voice 22: justice and so on we're going to need another level of expertise to help guide developments

[1:05:53] Voice 22: that are scaled properly and that take into consideration the whole island.

[1:05:59] Voice 22: It's very difficult to go from application to application

[1:06:03] Voice 22: without reference to the context of the entire island.

[1:06:07] Voice 22: So that would be my suggestion and I support the work of our trustees

[1:06:11] Voice 22: and especially if a special advisory could be put in place

[1:06:15] Voice 22: to help with science-based decisions for developments that have increased density.

[1:06:21] Voice 22: and to make sure that the scale 16,000 square feet seems like a huge amount in on 15 acres

[1:06:30] Voice 22: the scale has to fit within the new priority of protecting the coastal Douglas fir and ecosystems

[1:06:36] Voice 22: thank you that's it thank

[1:06:39] Trustee Rogers: you um

[1:06:40] Voice 20: chair rod chair rogers uh uh trustee rock foe's uh internet is

[1:06:46] Voice 20: out right now okay

[1:06:49] Trustee Rogers: well i want uh us all to be together on this so um she went out sometime in

[1:06:56] Trustee Rogers: the uh during a cash miss forest's uh presentation is it do

[1:07:01] Trustee Rogers: we think it's just temporary uh she oh

[1:07:04] Voice 20: here she's coming back there she is everything

[1:07:12] Trustee Rogers: okay there just a glitch you're good okay uh

[1:07:22] Trustee Rogers: I have Bob Grist was the next person.

[1:07:37] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Grist, by now you should know the drill.

[1:07:39] Trustee Rogers: You can turn your camera on if you wish.

[1:07:40] Trustee Rogers: You needn't if you don't want to.

[1:07:41] Trustee Rogers: You're still muted, however.

[1:07:44] Trustee Rogers: Please keep your comments for three minutes.

[1:07:46] Trustee Rogers: We're running quite late.

[1:07:49] Voice 28: Yes, thank you for your consideration.

[1:07:51] Voice 28: Can you hear me now?

[1:07:53] Voice 28: Yes, I can.

[1:07:54] Voice 28: Thanks very much, yes.

[1:07:57] Voice 28: I do want to thank you for your consideration of all this.

[1:08:01] Voice 28: I have some further concerns about water security posed by the 30-unit, 16,000 square feet, I'm sorry, 15,990 square foot construction proposal.

[1:08:19] Voice 28: I want to go back to the Baird estimates of 2,839 liters per day of water use per unit.

[1:08:35] Voice 28: it um the um the uh we believe from our estimates that the uh estimate is very

[1:08:46] Voice 28: flawed in terms of its underestimating uh actual use needs one one short example may suffice

[1:08:55] Voice 28: um a few years back uh we noticed in our cabin in spotlight cove just where uh spotlight creek

[1:09:03] Voice 28: creek comes down from the proposed development, that we used about 2,800 liters from the well

[1:09:15] Voice 28: storage tank to suffice for the pressure washing of deck and windows on our small cabin.

[1:09:26] Voice 28: And this had the effect of bottoming out the well storage tank and figures for the cleaning to a professional standard of a professional travel organization would have to happen at least once or more times a year.

[1:09:50] Voice 28: and scattered across the approximately 30 units altogether on the property

[1:09:57] Voice 28: would increase the water use estimate by the equivalent of one additional property.

[1:10:08] Voice 28: In other words, 26 to 2,800 liters per property per day.

[1:10:17] Voice 28: that is per property the runoff from cleaning this kind of cleaning and for gardening would

[1:10:29] Voice 28: necessarily fall to the lowest denominator which in this case is spotlight Creek spotlight Creek

[1:10:36] Voice 28: if you're familiar with the maps runs down and empties into spotlight Cove a slow to fill slow

[1:10:44] Voice 28: slow to drain, low turnover area of recreational water use

[1:10:49] Voice 28: for all of us that have properties downhill

[1:10:53] Voice 28: from the proposed development and around Spotlight Cove.

[1:11:02] Voice 28: We are amazed and disappointed that with the information

[1:11:11] Voice 28: previously provided to the trust that there was no investigation of the impact on water quality

[1:11:21] Voice 28: and quality of the neighboring neighborhood wells as you would expect from a development of this

[1:11:28] Voice 28: size in fact the only reference to well contamination is to the the already contaminated

[1:11:37] Voice 28: one already contaminated well on the site.

[1:11:41] Voice 28: I won't repeat my previous presentation only to say

[1:11:47] Voice 28: that the 1.49 million liters of gray water development

[1:11:57] Voice 28: and groundwater draining down towards Spotlight Cove

[1:12:02] Voice 28: and the properties stretching out from the Cove

[1:12:05] Voice 28: towards Coon Bay are basically untenable

[1:12:11] Voice 28: for the water security that we've come to enjoy.

[1:12:19] Voice 28: And we enjoy only in a highly limited capacity

[1:12:23] Voice 28: during the summer months

[1:12:25] Voice 28: when some personal wells tend to dry up.

[1:12:29] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Grist, you're well over three minutes,

[1:12:31] Trustee Rogers: if I could ask you to wrap up, please.

[1:12:33] Voice 28: Thank you.

[1:12:36] Voice 28: I'll wrap up with saying that this proposal lacks that kind of proper estimation,

[1:12:51] Voice 28: and it also lacks the presence of a water sewage management system

[1:13:01] Voice 28: as would befit a professional travel organization seeking adherence from around the world.

[1:13:08] Voice 28: So thank you for your attention to my comments.

[1:13:11] Voice 28: Thanks very much.

[1:13:12] Trustee Rogers: And then lastly, Risa, I think you were going to finish up,

[1:13:15] Trustee Rogers: and then we'll move on to other comments.

[1:13:35] Trustee Smith: Okay, there I go.

[1:13:37] Trustee Smith: I'm unmuted.

[1:13:37] Trustee Smith: I'll be super brief.

[1:13:38] Trustee Smith: I just want to sum up listening to all those interventions,

[1:13:45] Trustee Smith: all of which were detailed,

[1:13:46] Trustee Smith: and hopefully people will submit those in writing.

[1:13:49] Trustee Smith: The issues raised were problems with the precedent of fragmentation

[1:13:53] Trustee Smith: that contravenes the OCP, infringement on ecologically sensitive areas, the scale and

[1:13:59] Trustee Smith: density, which is far beyond anything on the island, and the intention of development in

[1:14:04] Trustee Smith: the forest zone, water security impacts, severe outdoor estimation of water use, public health

[1:14:09] Trustee Smith: issues, importance of maintaining a trail for public health, recognition that this is

[1:14:15] Trustee Smith: a commercial enterprise that has to deal with food and other waste property, lack of addressing

[1:14:20] Trustee Smith: the climate change and conservation imperatives,

[1:14:23] Trustee Smith: fire hazards, infrastructure and energy required

[1:14:26] Trustee Smith: for such a large fragmented development,

[1:14:28] Trustee Smith: and perhaps most depressingly,

[1:14:31] Trustee Smith: the long history of objections to this proposal

[1:14:34] Trustee Smith: and the feeling in the community

[1:14:36] Trustee Smith: that people have spoken and written letters,

[1:14:38] Trustee Smith: but have not been heard.

[1:14:40] Trustee Smith: Some solutions were provided,

[1:14:42] Trustee Smith: number one being stopping this application entirely,

[1:14:45] Trustee Smith: and at a minimum, removing the upper ridge development,

[1:14:48] Trustee Smith: development, sending it to a special APC with the expertise to look at the bigger ecological energy

[1:14:54] Trustee Smith: and resident well-being issues and requiring a statutory right-of-way for a trail along the

[1:15:00] Trustee Smith: ridge, as was done with the MLC. Thanks a lot for at least letting us speak again, but I hope you're

[1:15:08] Trustee Smith: hearing. Thanks very much. Thank

[1:15:13] Trustee Rogers: you. The next person with their hand up is Louise DiCario.

[1:15:17] Voice 12: Cario. Okay. Can you hear me now?

[1:15:41] Trustee Rogers: Yes, we can, Mr. Cario. Nice to hear

[1:15:44] Voice 31: your voice again.

[1:15:45] Voice 31: Thank you very much. I haven't joined a Zoom meeting yet. So anyway, I'm glad to see you all.

[1:15:52] Voice 31: And I just wanted to speak briefly to the Crystal Mountain application, but also later,

[1:16:00] Voice 31: later, I would like to ask a question about the minutes. So whenever that comes up, I'd like to do

[1:16:08] Voice 31: that. So the Crystal Mountain application, I was a trustee at the time of the first application.

[1:16:18] Voice 31: And what I am amazed at is the density increase that has been proposed. It has dramatically

[1:16:29] Voice 31: changed from the original application and um and because of that i i really cannot support it

[1:16:38] Voice 31: so that's all i wanted to say thanks

[1:16:41] Trustee Rogers: well well can we if we could come back to you about your

[1:16:44] Trustee Rogers: other question i would appreciate that yes

[1:16:46] Voice 31: yes and i oh i just wanted to ask whether you have

[1:16:49] Voice 31: um had the opportunity to read the first application that was presented to the um the

[1:16:57] Voice 31: the the LTC at that time because I think it's very important that you compare the two I say

[1:17:04] Trustee Rogers: is this this is this pre-2015 you're asking oh

[1:17:07] Voice 31: yes yes yes it's 20 20 um 2001 to somewhere in

[1:17:15] Voice 31: there I think it's 2004 oh 2004

[1:17:19] Voice 31: yeah I think it was maybe okay whatever it's about that time but

[1:17:26] Voice 31: but I think it is important for you to take a look at before you make a

[1:17:29] Voice 31: decision.

[1:17:31] Trustee Rogers: Okay. Thanks. That's a good suggestion. Thank you, Mr. Carrier.

[1:17:36] Trustee Rogers: Bowie Kiefer.

[1:17:37] Trustee Rogers: And this is the last person that has their name up to talk about crystal

[1:17:41] Trustee Rogers: mountain.

[1:17:41] Trustee Rogers: And then I'll open the town hall to other issues and we'll work our way

[1:17:44] Trustee Rogers: through those as well. And hopefully.

[1:17:48] Voice 29: Unmute myself. Yes. Hi everybody.

[1:17:52] Voice 29: I just want to offer a different view here.

[1:17:57] Voice 29: uh i we live uh maybe a kilometer south of crystal mountain uh we know quite a few of the people in

[1:18:05] Voice 29: the group uh they were many of them were involved when the community was looking after the refugees

[1:18:10] Voice 29: from west africa and typically they're very uh good neighbors and they're uh very gentle and

[1:18:19] Voice 29: as buddhists and they have probably a pretty light ecological footprint individually so uh

[1:18:26] Voice 29: I regard Crystal Mountain as a very good neighbor in that sense, and also I think it's a good idea

[1:18:35] Voice 29: to be receptive towards some institutional diversity in the island. I see Crystal Mountain

[1:18:43] Voice 29: as being somewhat on the same level perhaps as the Conservancy's Learning Center, which is also

[1:18:49] Voice 29: in the coastal Douglas fir, although not in the forest zone. And I'm a rather fanatical

[1:18:57] Voice 29: proponent of improved forestry in the islands to deal with fire hazard and general ecological

[1:19:04] Voice 29: restoration, but also in terms of maximum public access on private lands. And I'm also respectful

[1:19:15] Voice 29: that private owners want to keep some choice areas

[1:19:18] Voice 29: to themselves.

[1:19:19] Voice 29: So I don't have a problem with a crystal mountain proposal.

[1:19:23] Voice 29: And that's all I wanted to say, thank you.

[1:19:27] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, thank you for being brief.

[1:19:29] Trustee Rogers: Oh, I see Mr. Ronsley has arrived.

[1:19:33] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Ronsley, if I could ask you to come on,

[1:19:37] Trustee Rogers: we've sort of been through, anyway, go ahead.

[1:19:40] Trustee Rogers: And again, we're

[1:19:42] Voice 12: asking people to stay to three minutes.

[1:19:56] Trustee Rogers: yes i can okay

[1:19:57] Voice 2: good sorry about that barely

[1:19:58] Trustee Rogers: though you're you're very faint so please be

[1:20:01] Voice 2: i'll try to get uh less things if i can is that is that less thing you

[1:20:10] Trustee Rogers: sound like you're uh

[1:20:11] Trustee Rogers: underwater and very hard to hear i'm

[1:20:14] Voice 2: sorry i'm not i'm not in my home computer i'm at work um

[1:20:18] Voice 2: but i'll i'll i'll i'll try to be um actually i can even go on video here just a second

[1:20:26] Voice 2: Okay. Here I am. All right. Well, you can see me now, anyway, I think. I'm sorry, but I thought this item on the agenda was to start at 1.50. Otherwise, I would have been on a lot.

[1:20:39] Voice 2: It's fine.

[1:20:40] Voice 12: Just go ahead, please.

[1:20:41] Voice 12: It

[1:20:41] Voice 2: sounds like it's over, so I haven't really heard the other comments. I have a couple quick things to say. Number one, I live at 40 Spotlight Drive, which is close to the Crystal Mountain site.

[1:20:55] Voice 2: So I am impacted by it as far as proximity is concerned.

[1:21:01] Voice 2: I don't know if anybody brought up the point that the timing of this application is interesting.

[1:21:07] Voice 2: We're in a pandemic right now.

[1:21:10] Voice 2: Crystal Mountain, as I understand it, is an organization that is committed to spiritual tourism as a commercial enterprise.

[1:21:20] Voice 2: We have a closed border with U.S. border and I think if I'm not mistaken, many of the participants

[1:21:29] Voice 2: come from over the border.

[1:21:31] Voice 2: So I really don't think we need to question the timing of the application.

[1:21:36] Voice 2: For the simple point, nobody knows where this pandemic is taking us and how long it's going

[1:21:42] Voice 2: to go on and how much our general social interactions are going to be affected over the longer term.

[1:21:50] Voice 2: so i wanted to bring that up um second point as that i want to bring up is that um the uh

[1:21:58] Voice 2: the question of of what this is for that is uh a spiritual tourism as a commercial enterprise

[1:22:06] Voice 2: i i want to just point out that i am not clear how that would relate to the official community plan

[1:22:13] Voice 2: for galliano and whether it has any connection at all to the official community plan

[1:22:18] Voice 2: which touches on the question of whether this is really beneficial to our community.

[1:22:23] Voice 2: Those are my points that I want to make.

[1:22:25] Voice 2: And then on behalf of my neighbor, Hayden Pritchard,

[1:22:31] Voice 2: who actually lives even closer to the property than I do,

[1:22:36] Voice 2: I've been asked to read a statement because he is not available.

[1:22:40] Voice 2: So I'll try to be brief with his statement, but he did write this.

[1:22:43] Voice 2: He writes, your trustees, as 21-year-old owner of property adjacent to the proposed development

[1:22:50] Voice 2: and a more recent full-time resident, I am ready to add my concerns to the growing list

[1:22:55] Voice 2: of significant challenges that face Crystal Mountain Society in their application, and

[1:23:01] Voice 2: indeed to you, our trustees, to ask you the best interest of Galliano residents and the

[1:23:06] Voice 2: spirit and details of our official community plan.

[1:23:08] Voice 2: At first, the contribution of a significant portion of the forest lot to become public

[1:23:14] Voice 2: land seems workable, but when one reaches into the details, the significant flaws in

[1:23:19] Voice 2: the plan become clear.

[1:23:21] Voice 2: Number one, the request to fragment the lot into two isolated developed areas and a discontinuous

[1:23:27] Voice 2: allocation to public land is absolutely unique, and it clearly keeps the notion that the central

[1:23:34] Voice 2: portion has value to the residents of Galliano.

[1:23:36] Voice 2: In reality, there is no workable functional access to the land, which separates the two

[1:23:43] Voice 2: proposed development areas.

[1:23:46] Voice 2: Accordingly, this will result in the establishment of an essentially private nature reserve on

[1:23:52] Voice 2: public land to which residents will have no possible access.

[1:23:56] Voice 2: This proposal insults and keeps the process of the exchange of land for a favorable decision

[1:24:02] Voice 2: on the development.

[1:24:04] Voice 2: Number two.

[1:24:06] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Onsley, if it's of any use to you, we have that letter from her.

[1:24:11] Voice 2: Okay, I've been asked to read it to you, for the record.

[1:24:14] Voice 2: I'm not sure if

[1:24:15] Trustee Rogers: Hayden's a man or not.

[1:24:17] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:24:18] Voice 2: Well, if you don't want me to read it, I won't read it.

[1:24:20] Trustee Rogers: Well, it's just, I've read it.

[1:24:22] Trustee Rogers: I'm sure the other trustees have read it.

[1:24:25] Trustee Rogers: I don't know who

[1:24:25] Voice 2: else is attending this meeting.

[1:24:28] Trustee Rogers: Well, there's 45 members of the community that are attending.

[1:24:32] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[1:24:32] Voice 2: so i don't know if they should hear it as well or or not but if you don't want me to read

[1:24:36] Voice 2: it i won't finish well

[1:24:37] Trustee Rogers: it will attend it will i'm just trying to get it i'm conscious of time it's

[1:24:41] Trustee Rogers: now almost two

[1:24:41] Voice 2: o'clock you're the chairperson and i'll take your direction thank

[1:24:46] Trustee Rogers: you very much i

[1:24:47] Trustee Rogers: appreciate that uh i just realized that we'd already received that it will be part of the

[1:24:51] Trustee Rogers: public record anybody will have an opportunity to read it going forward i appreciate your

[1:24:55] Trustee Rogers: cooperation you're

[1:24:56] Voice 5: welcome um thanks

[1:24:57] Trustee Rogers: very much for your comments uh i see no other hands up so

[1:25:01] Trustee Rogers: So I'm going to say that we're going to move away from the Crystal Mountain Town Hall.

[1:25:07] Trustee Rogers: And I'm going to urge people, if they can, if something else is not on the agenda.

[1:25:14] Trustee Rogers: So if anybody has anything they'd like to say related to something on our agenda today, i.e. one of the applications, the delegation, or the two of our projects that are on the agenda, please put your hand up.

[1:25:37] Trustee Rogers: And I see Mr. Ryback, and I know that Louisa Cario wanted to ask something.

[1:25:41] Trustee Rogers: So we'll

[1:25:41] Voice 12: go to Mr. Ryback first.

[1:25:43] Voice 12: Go ahead, Mr. Ryback.

[1:25:59] Voice 8: sorry about that uh for the unmuting uh two other little uh items i'd like to comment on

[1:26:06] Voice 8: first is the uh variance application from uh alan and uh norgano i said i would support uh that uh

[1:26:16] Voice 8: variance application i'm a dog walker that uh negotiates the uh corner of burl and bluffs road

[1:26:25] Voice 8: on a weekly basis with two hounds pulling me along and from what I've seen of their proposal

[1:26:32] Voice 8: any impacts are would seem to be minimal and manageable and secondly STVR with the pandemic

[1:26:42] Voice 8: upon us we have a narrow window to try to put some enforcement and management tools in place

[1:26:53] Voice 8: to ensure to protect neighborhoods from impacts of short-term vacation rentals I would urge the

[1:27:01] Voice 8: LTC to use this time and put this up as a priority to address if you now that you've done away with

[1:27:13] Voice 8: the with you know using TUP as a management tool thank you Dan you're muted

[1:27:37] Voice 12: famous last words louise dicario again please louise sorry about that hi um

[1:27:52] Voice 31: i have a question

[1:27:53] Voice 31: um because i wasn't at the the last trust meeting i uh would like to uh ask about a motion

[1:28:03] Voice 31: that was um moved and seconded and it came up under the projects list uh it was moved and

[1:28:12] Voice 31: seconded that the galliano island local trust committee direct staff to develop a project

[1:28:17] Voice 31: charter regarding a proposal for adding conservation covenants as an alternative to f1 rezoning and add

[1:28:26] Voice 31: this item to the projects list and i just don't understand what that particular motion means

[1:28:36] Voice 31: means. Could I have an explanation?

[1:28:40] Trustee Rogers: Well, I believe it was Trustee Wolverton who made the

[1:28:43] Trustee Rogers: motion. If you'd like to address it, Trustee Wolverton, I could give you my take on it,

[1:28:49] Trustee Rogers: but I'll maybe let Trustee Wolverton address it.

[1:28:52] Voice 31: Well, sure. I'd like all of your takes on it. But

[1:28:55] Voice 31: anyway, yes. I

[1:28:57] Voice 20: think it's going to come up a little later on in the agenda when we're talking

[1:29:00] Voice 20: about the projects list and I think at the time I was looking to see whether

[1:29:08] Voice 20: there was another kind of tool that might help us protect the land and

[1:29:14] Voice 20: actually move more rehabilitation to the land through through a conservation

[1:29:20] Voice 20: covenant I I believe that there are I'm not gonna lose my internet I believe

[1:29:30] Voice 20: that there are um there's some f1 owners who are practicing a sustainable forestry and then there

[1:29:38] Voice 20: are some who are not and i think there are some who you know i i understood that there were some

[1:29:48] Voice 20: there was some interest in a conservation covenant uh as opposed to a forestry covenant but on

[1:29:54] Voice 20: on on reviewing i mean i think that the what we have in the

[1:30:00] Voice 20: OCP is probably strong enough or enough of an option.

[1:30:04] Voice 20: So anyway, that's, we may see a change

[1:30:09] Voice 20: or I may propose a change when we get

[1:30:11] Voice 20: to that part of the agenda.

[1:30:13] Voice 31: Okay, well, thank you very much for that Jane

[1:30:16] Voice 31: because I was really not understanding what that meant

[1:30:21] Voice 31: by as an alternative to F1 rezoning.

[1:30:25] Voice 31: Correct me if I'm wrong, but right now,

[1:30:28] Voice 31: all we have for someone to rezone the F1 property is to go to F3, Force 3, which would be,

[1:30:41] Voice 31: you have to have a sustainable forestry covenant. And the other option would be to do the RRFH

[1:30:49] Voice 31: option yeah um so um so i i was just puzzled by an alternative to f1 rezoning because um

[1:31:00] Voice 31: you know it seems that what we have is working i do not see a lot of people clear-cutting property

[1:31:09] Voice 31: um and take and taking uh you know wood off the island like we did at one one time there

[1:31:16] Voice 31: it just doesn't seem to be anymore.

[1:31:18] Voice 31: A few people are cutting firewood for other people,

[1:31:22] Voice 31: but so anyway, perhaps you will be talking about it again

[1:31:26] Voice 31: later on, so that's mostly what I wanted to know

[1:31:30] Voice 31: because I wasn't at the meeting.

[1:31:33] Voice 31: Thank you, Jane.

[1:31:34] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:31:35] Trustee Rogers: If that answers your question, we'll maybe move on.

[1:31:39] Trustee Rogers: So unless Trustee Rockathal, did you want to weigh in

[1:31:42] Trustee Rogers: in any way?

[1:31:42] Trustee Rogers: No, thanks.

[1:31:46] Voice 12: Yeah, I think I'll leave it at that.

[1:31:51] Trustee Rogers: so i see no other hands on items that are on our agenda so i'm going to ask if there's

[1:32:00] Trustee Rogers: with some hesitation whether there's anyone wishes to speak uh to the trustees about something that's

[1:32:06] Trustee Rogers: not on our agenda today and i'm particularly thinking of well first of all you're we we

[1:32:12] Trustee Rogers: can't re receive anything related to our our tup str uh because we're still post public hearing

[1:32:20] Trustee Rogers: the Giggers matter is not on our agenda

[1:32:22] Trustee Rogers: we've had a lot of correspondence

[1:32:24] Trustee Rogers: I continue to have conversations and correspondence

[1:32:26] Trustee Rogers: I'm guessing and I have to ask

[1:32:29] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Wolverton to leave

[1:32:30] Trustee Rogers: if anybody needs to say anything

[1:32:32] Trustee Rogers: related to that

[1:32:34] Trustee Rogers: so I ask that question

[1:32:37] Trustee Rogers: and I see

[1:32:39] Trustee Rogers: Ms. Margerson has

[1:32:40] Trustee Rogers: her hand up and I

[1:32:43] Trustee Rogers: will ask Trustee Wolverton

[1:32:45] Trustee Rogers: who I think what you're doing

[1:32:47] Trustee Rogers: is just turning off your feed

[1:32:49] Trustee Rogers: and leaving the meeting.

[1:32:52] Trustee Rogers: And so we'll go to Jennifer Markerson to ask a question.

[1:32:56] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:32:57] Trustee Rogers: Or sorry, to do what you wish to do.

[1:33:00] Trustee Rogers: So I'm assuming you asked a question, but I should not.

[1:33:04] Voice 12: Perhaps you wish to say something.

[1:33:18] Voice 12: Think you're probably able

[1:33:20] Trustee Rogers: to unmute and speak now.

[1:33:22] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:33:24] Voice 25: Yes, I just had a question actually, Chair Rogers.

[1:33:29] Voice 25: And I had said in a recent letter,

[1:33:32] Voice 25: or it had been said in a recent letter sent to the trustees and the planner that um uh I was

[1:33:40] Voice 25: going to make several requests from that letter at the next LTC meeting and I just wanted to ask

[1:33:47] Voice 25: I'm cognizant of how much is on the agenda and how long this town hall has already gone would

[1:33:52] Voice 25: it be preferable for me to do that at the town hall at the end of the meeting or um if you're

[1:33:59] Trustee Rogers: able to do that that would help us mentally

[1:34:02] Voice 25: if

[1:34:04] Trustee Rogers: you're able to stay around

[1:34:05] Voice 25: i'd be happy to do that

[1:34:07] Trustee Rogers: okay thank you very much yes uh

[1:34:11] Trustee Rogers: is there anybody else before

[1:34:14] Voice 12: i close the town hall

[1:34:21] Voice 12: i see no other

[1:34:22] Trustee Rogers: hands just a reminder your hand button is should be in the bottom of your screen

[1:34:27] Trustee Rogers: if then i'm going to close the town hall and we're going to invite trustee wolverton back

[1:34:35] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure how she comes back.

[1:34:36] Trustee Rogers: Is somebody going to text her?

[1:34:38] Trustee Rogers: Oh, you've already texted her?

[1:34:40] Trustee Rogers: You were ahead of me, Jane, Tahira.

[1:34:45] Trustee Rogers: And we're going to move through,

[1:34:46] Trustee Rogers: there is no community information meeting today.

[1:34:48] Trustee Rogers: There's no public hearing today.

[1:34:50] Trustee Rogers: We'll, as soon as Trustee Wilberton comes back,

[1:34:52] Trustee Rogers: we will deal with the minutes.

[1:34:55] Trustee Rogers: I have to go back and find my notes.

[1:34:58] Trustee Rogers: And so we're at page four of the agenda.

[1:35:03] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Trustee Wilberton.

[1:35:05] Trustee Rogers: We're now at page four of the agenda, which is the minutes from March the 1st.

[1:35:18] Trustee Rogers: Do either of the trustees have any changes or issues with the minutes of March the 1st?

[1:35:27] Trustee Rogers: I see, Trustee Rockefeller.

[1:35:29] Trustee Rogers: Anything from you, Trustee Walterson?

[1:35:34] Trustee Rogers: I have a

[1:35:36] Voice 12: note of one question.

[1:35:38] Voice 12: I have to find it.

[1:35:48] Voice 12: Can I, if Planner

[1:35:51] Trustee Rogers: Smith is here, I have a quick question for him from the minutes. It's on page six. At the very last bullet on page six, I just want to make sure this is accurate.

[1:36:08] Trustee Rogers: It says a housing agreement is usually drafted as a covenant. Is that correct? I mean, I'm just getting a little confused. I know there's a bylaw, but is there actually a covenant usually with the housing agreement as well?

[1:36:19] Voice 30: It's usually both a bylaw and a covenant, yes.

[1:36:22] Voice 30: Okay,

[1:36:22] Trustee Rogers: thank you.

[1:36:23] Trustee Rogers: That's all I just wanted to clarify

[1:36:24] Trustee Rogers: that that wasn't misunderstanding.

[1:36:26] Trustee Rogers: That's all I have for the minutes.

[1:36:28] Trustee Rogers: So with that, I'll take the minutes as adopted.

[1:36:30] Trustee Rogers: We have the minutes from the public hearing

[1:36:35] Trustee Rogers: of February the 1st, which is on page 12 and 13.

[1:36:39] Trustee Rogers: Those are simply for receipt

[1:36:40] Trustee Rogers: unless somebody has anything they wish to raise

[1:36:42] Trustee Rogers: related to those saying no.

[1:36:44] Trustee Rogers: There are no resolutions without meeting.

[1:36:47] Trustee Rogers: There's no advisory planning commission minutes.

[1:36:49] Trustee Rogers: And so we're at page 14, which is the follow-up action list.

[1:36:55] Trustee Rogers: And I'm just going to ask the trustees if there's anything from the follow-up action list that either of you wish to raise with the planner.

[1:37:06] Voice 12: Nothing? No? Okay.

[1:37:10] Trustee Rogers: Oh, Trustee Wolverton, did you have something?

[1:37:12] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[1:37:13] Voice 20: so i don't know if we want to talk about um something on the projects list and which would

[1:37:20] Voice 20: have an impact on the follow-up action list so i don't know which you want to go first

[1:37:27] Trustee Rogers: sorry is it something that's actually listed on one of those two pages well there's something

[1:37:32] Voice 20: that probably could

[1:37:34] Voice 30: be i would say we can just write we can just follow up with the fual depending

[1:37:38] Voice 30: depending where you get to later, Jane.

[1:37:39] Voice 30: Okay.

[1:37:40] Voice 30: Or Chair or Trustee Wolverton.

[1:37:42] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[1:37:44] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[1:37:45] Trustee Rogers: All right.

[1:37:45] Trustee Rogers: All the mystery will get solved at some point

[1:37:47] Trustee Rogers: when we get to whatever it is you want to raise.

[1:37:49] Trustee Rogers: So that's fine.

[1:37:51] Trustee Rogers: That brings us to a delegation

[1:37:52] Trustee Rogers: and we now have a scenario

[1:37:54] Trustee Rogers: where Trustee Rockefeller is going to step out.

[1:37:58] Trustee Rogers: Do you want to say why, Trustee Rockefeller?

[1:38:03] Voice 17: Just as a neighbor to the new affordable housing development,

[1:38:07] Voice 17: I thought it was appropriate that I recuse myself

[1:38:09] Voice 17: from the discussion.

[1:38:11] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[1:38:11] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:38:12] Trustee Rogers: And I assume you'll be doing that on an ongoing basis

[1:38:15] Trustee Rogers: going forward.

[1:38:16] Voice 17: I will be doing that ongoing, yeah.

[1:38:17] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:38:18] Trustee Rogers: So why don't you do that and maybe now Maple,

[1:38:21] Trustee Rogers: we can invite our delegation to the meeting.

[1:38:25] Voice 17: Should I just turn my camera off and mute

[1:38:28] Voice 17: or do you want me to actually leave the meeting?

[1:38:31] Trustee Rogers: I don't know.

[1:38:32] Trustee Rogers: What have you been doing, Jane?

[1:38:33] Voice 20: I leave the meeting altogether and then I sign back in.

[1:38:37] Voice 20: in like this or it and it works okay and i'll send i'll send you a note when it's time i'll do that

[1:38:44] Voice 20: thank you very much okay

[1:38:45] Trustee Rogers: probably about 15 minutes that's what we'll we'll do for the delegation

[1:38:48] Trustee Rogers: because it's simply a delegation at this stage and just to be clear for anybody watching uh

[1:38:54] Trustee Rogers: this application is not on our agenda yet but i understand it's been filed uh with our office and

[1:39:00] Trustee Rogers: And so you will be seeing it come to us sometime soon.

[1:39:04] Trustee Rogers: And the applicant requested, Mr. Hubbell requested,

[1:39:08] Trustee Rogers: if they could have time to make a delegation.

[1:39:11] Trustee Rogers: And I said, yes, it's a new matter,

[1:39:13] Trustee Rogers: something that we hadn't seen before.

[1:39:15] Trustee Rogers: And so over to you, who I don't know who's going to speak.

[1:39:19] Trustee Rogers: I assume it's you, Mr. Hubbell.

[1:39:21] Trustee Rogers: And if I'm mispronouncing anybody's name,

[1:39:23] Trustee Rogers: please let me know.

[1:39:24] Trustee Rogers: Or is it Ms. Magner?

[1:39:26] Voice 4: Yeah, it's Mike Hobel.

[1:39:28] Voice 4: and I'm just going to share my screen and Lauren Magner will be beginning our presentation.

[1:39:35] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[1:39:36] Trustee Rogers: Welcome. And I think Maple, yes, there you go.

[1:39:44] Trustee Rogers: Good

[1:39:49] Voice 1: afternoon. My name is Lauren Magner. I am the treasurer on the Galliano Affordable

[1:39:55] Voice 1: Living Initiative Society. We're here to tell you about our proposal for the Galliano Green

[1:40:01] Voice 1: property. We acknowledge the deep privilege of living upon the unceded and asserted lands

[1:40:07] Voice 1: lands of the Penelaket, La Mulcha, and Quillitsum First Nations, as well as other Hul'q'omit'num

[1:40:12] Voice 1: and Tsantot'in speaking peoples, and the Treaty Territory of the Tsawwassen First Nations.

[1:40:18] Voice 1: Thank you for the opportunity to present our overview of the Galliano Affordable Living

[1:40:23] Voice 1: Initiatives Society's proposal for a 20-unit affordable rental housing project on the Galliano

[1:40:29] Voice 1: Green property.

[1:40:30] Voice 1: To begin, I'd like to provide some background information about GALI and the Galliano Green

[1:40:35] Voice 1: property. Galliano was registered as a non-profit society in March of 2020. As stated in its

[1:40:46] Voice 1: constitution, Galley's purpose is to relieve poverty by building and managing affordable

[1:40:51] Voice 1: rental housing for low and moderate income residents of Galliano Island. The critical

[1:40:57] Voice 1: shortage of affordable and secure rental housing is well known in the Galliano community and was

[1:41:04] Voice 1: extensively documented in the CRD's Southern Gulf Islands Housing Needs Assessment in 2018.

[1:41:13] Voice 1: In June of 2020, thanks to the generosity of the Galliano Community Housing Association,

[1:41:20] Voice 1: GALI was able to acquire the 10-acre Galliano Green property for $10. GCHA had worked very hard

[1:41:28] Voice 1: over several years to advance a proposal for affordable housing on this property in the south

[1:41:34] Voice 1: end of Galliano. As a result of GCHA's efforts and extensive community consultation through the

[1:41:42] Voice 1: Islands Trust, the Galliano Green property was recognized as a suitable location for community

[1:41:49] Voice 1: housing and is so designated in Galliano's official community plan. A rezoning application

[1:41:57] Voice 1: that was submitted by the Galliano Community Housing Association resulted in zoning approval

[1:42:03] Voice 1: approval in 2016 for up to 20 homes subject to the conditions of a housing

[1:42:08] Voice 1: agreement and covenant and based on a planned bare land strata subdivision.

[1:42:13] Voice 1: GCHA had proposed a phase owner build model of home construction.

[1:42:19] Voice 1: Galley's proposal to the community for Galliano Green is different.

[1:42:23] Voice 1: We propose building 20 affordable rental homes in four multi-unit buildings

[1:42:29] Voice 1: buildings on the southern portion of the property close to Georgeson Bay Road.

[1:42:34] Voice 1: This will be a single phase construction

[1:42:36] Voice 1: project with strata subdivision with no strata without strata subdivision.

[1:42:41] Voice 1: Excuse me.

[1:42:42] Voice 1: Clustering of buildings will minimize impacts on the forest ecosystem.

[1:42:47] Voice 1: The Galliano Green property is a great

[1:42:49] Voice 1: location for affordable community rental housing.

[1:42:53] Voice 1: It is adjacent to Page Drive and very near grocery stores and community

[1:42:57] Voice 1: community facilities such as the South Galliano Community Hall and Recycling Centre.

[1:43:01] Voice 1: It is also within easy walking distance to the community school and library.

[1:43:08] Voice 1: The 10 acre Galliano Green property slopes

[1:43:11] Voice 1: upward from its southern boundary to a high point in the middle of the property

[1:43:16] Voice 1: and then downward toward the northern boundary and a beautiful riparian area.

[1:43:20] Voice 1: Several natural terraces on the south

[1:43:22] Voice 1: facing slope provide excellent building sites.

[1:43:25] Voice 1: And now over to Mike to tell us more about what we've accomplished these past few months.

[1:43:32] Voice 4: Yes, thanks, Lauren. So I'd like to just update everyone about some important steps that have

[1:43:40] Voice 4: been taken to date by GALI to advance the GALI and O'Green vision and proposal. So to start with,

[1:43:51] Voice 4: We have partnered with New Commons Development's Small Communities Initiative.

[1:43:57] Voice 4: For those of you who don't know about New Commons, they're a well-known nonprofit housing developer whose staff bring very significant planning, financing, and project management expertise to assist GALI with the GALIano Green Project.

[1:44:15] Voice 4: We've also been fortunate to receive some grants to help us with the initial work on the proposal and the project, including a grant from CMHC Seed Funding Program and the New Market Fund Society.

[1:44:31] Voice 4: society. Importantly, we have also applied for major grant funding to BC Housing's Community

[1:44:39] Voice 4: Housing Fund, and we expect to hear back the results of our funding application in May.

[1:44:48] Voice 4: We've also engaged Mobius Architecture, a very experienced architectural firm

[1:44:57] Voice 4: firm with experience specifically in developing affordable housing projects, including on

[1:45:05] Voice 4: Salt Spring.

[1:45:06] Voice 4: For Galliano Green, Mobius has produced a sensitive site plan and an efficient building

[1:45:14] Voice 4: design for four attractive buildings containing a 20-unit mix of studio, one-bedroom, two-bedroom,

[1:45:23] Voice 4: and three-bedroom units.

[1:45:25] Voice 4: And as already been mentioned by Chair Rogers, Galley has submitted a rezoning application package to the local trust committee, to the planning staff.

[1:45:37] Voice 4: And this package includes the architect site plans, building design plans, and also importantly, a number of consultants, engineering consultants reports.

[1:45:52] Voice 4: For example, there is an environmental site assessment, a geotechnical report, a hydrogeological report, that is a well report, a wastewater design report, and a comprehensive water management plan.

[1:46:14] Voice 4: And in addition, a draft housing agreement is in process.

[1:46:19] Voice 4: We're all very familiar with water being a critical issue on Galliano and other Gulf

[1:46:29] Voice 4: Islands, and so for the Galliano Green Project, water is obviously a major item that we need

[1:46:40] Voice 4: to be confident about.

[1:46:42] Voice 4: Unfortunately, we have an excellent well on the property, and as you can see on screen,

[1:46:49] Voice 4: the quote from hydrogeologist Al Kohut's recent report,

[1:46:54] Voice 4: which is part of the application package,

[1:46:58] Voice 4: summarizes by saying, based on recent retesting,

[1:47:01] Voice 4: the well is more than capable of supplying

[1:47:04] Voice 4: the estimated demand of the project.

[1:47:07] Voice 4: So that is very important for us

[1:47:11] Voice 4: and for the community, obviously.

[1:47:14] Voice 4: We've also submitted an application

[1:47:16] Voice 4: for a provincial water license

[1:47:18] Voice 4: and provincial staff are doing a technical review of our application

[1:47:25] Voice 4: and we expect to hear back the results of that technical review shortly.

[1:47:31] Voice 4: As part of the water management plan,

[1:47:35] Voice 4: there is a plan to store 30,000 gallons of potable water on site.

[1:47:41] Voice 4: This will be as a reserve,

[1:47:44] Voice 4: but also available for fire protection and sprinkler systems

[1:47:48] Voice 4: and things like that.

[1:47:52] Voice 4: For water conservation in general,

[1:47:55] Voice 4: the residential units will be equipped

[1:47:58] Voice 4: with water saving fixtures such as low flush toilets

[1:48:03] Voice 4: and low flow faucets and shower heads.

[1:48:08] Voice 4: And in the proposed shared laundry facility,

[1:48:12] Voice 4: there would be the installation of high efficiency

[1:48:15] Voice 4: water saving washing machines.

[1:48:18] Voice 4: and similar equipment and we'd also be capturing rainwater and storing rainwater

[1:48:26] Voice 4: from rooftop capture for non-potable uses such as irrigation of gardens and you know plantings

[1:48:34] Voice 4: and now I'd like to turn it over to Carol to talk a little bit more about the vision for

[1:48:41] Voice 4: or Galliano Green.

[1:48:45] Voice 27: Right, thank you, Mike.

[1:48:48] Voice 27: Yes, I'm Carol Gwynn, and I'm a resident of Page Drive,

[1:48:53] Voice 27: which is the neighbor next door.

[1:48:57] Voice 27: And I wanted to say that the vision is a village community

[1:49:02] Voice 27: within the larger Galliano Island community.

[1:49:05] Voice 27: Main thing is to create comfortable,

[1:49:08] Voice 27: affordable, and secure housing.

[1:49:11] Voice 27: and very much like Page Drive is now and if I can say that if it hadn't been for Page Drive's

[1:49:19] Voice 27: affordable housing process I would not be here on the island today. Now we are excited about the

[1:49:31] Voice 27: design for Galliano Green Homes. Each of the two multi-story unit buildings will be unique and the

[1:49:39] Voice 27: buildings will nestle into the landscape for being by being located on the natural terraces

[1:49:46] Voice 27: on the south side of the ridge. Now this is a slide of the location bird's eye view and how

[1:50:00] Voice 27: they are connected by footpaths. The entrance to Galliano Green is from Georgeson Bay Road.

[1:50:09] Voice 27: You can also see the location for the small building up on the upper right, which will contain the shared laundry equipment, storage, possibly recycling and garbage, which will be animal secure.

[1:50:30] Voice 27: Next to that is the mix of unit types as shown in the table, and four of the 10 one-bedroom units will be fully accessible.

[1:50:41] Voice 27: Once built, Galeano Green's 20 affordable rental homes will be owned and managed by Galley as a non-profit community resource.

[1:50:58] Voice 27: If we are successful in obtaining grant funding from BC Housing, rental rates for Galeano Green will follow the BC Housing rental rate formula.

[1:51:11] Voice 27: formula. 20% deep subsidy, 50% rent geared to income, and 30% indexed affordable market rate

[1:51:25] Voice 27: rentals. Criteria for eligibility to rent a home at Galeano Green will be established in the

[1:51:33] Voice 27: housing agreement, and if we get the funding from BC Housing, the operating agreement with BC Housing.

[1:51:40] Voice 27: In selecting tenants, priority will be given to current Galeano residents and members of Galeano First Nations communities who are in need of affordable rental housing.

[1:51:58] Voice 27: We believe that the Galeano Green project that we're proposing will be an important step in addressing the great need for affordable rental housing on Galeano.

[1:52:10] Voice 27: As soon as Galley acquired the Galeano Green property, we began reaching out directly to our neighbors and also to the broader community to talk about our vision.

[1:52:23] Voice 27: And this will continue and expand.

[1:52:28] Voice 27: One thing I did do being on Page Drive is I went to the other residents and found that the overwhelming majority were very much positively in favor of the project next door.

[1:52:43] Voice 27: It is important to Gali to seek the advice and support of First Nations members of the community about this proposal, and we will also expand that effort.

[1:52:55] Voice 27: We are pleased to say that Gali has just launched a website that provides detailed information about the proposed Galeano Green project,

[1:53:04] Voice 27: and we will continue to share information and solicit feedback through the website, social media, print, and mailouts.

[1:53:15] Voice 27: Once COVID restrictions allow, we look forward to being able to offer tours of the Galliano Green

[1:53:21] Voice 27: property. And finally, community members who wish further information about our proposed

[1:53:32] Voice 27: project are invited to send an email to galley.ca or to contact any of the board members shown on

[1:53:41] Voice 27: on the slide in front of you.

[1:53:44] Voice 27: Thank you.

[1:53:51] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so does that complete your presentation?

[1:53:56] Voice 27: That it does, yes.

[1:53:57] Trustee Rogers: Okay, well, thank you.

[1:53:59] Trustee Rogers: Very nice to meet all of you.

[1:54:02] Trustee Rogers: And yes, Trustee Wolverton.

[1:54:06] Voice 20: Yes, I just have a comment.

[1:54:10] Voice 20: Well, and I know that we have it

[1:54:12] Voice 20: where the application isn't before.

[1:54:13] Voice 20: But I noticed on the site plan,

[1:54:16] Voice 20: and building three is supposed to have eight units

[1:54:22] Voice 20: and on the site plan it only has seven.

[1:54:25] Voice 20: So just so that, you know, in the drawing it's only seven.

[1:54:28] Voice 20: So I wasn't sure.

[1:54:31] Voice 20: And then I wanted to ask whether you're looking

[1:54:39] Voice 20: at the impact of the increase in units at Page Drive

[1:54:45] Voice 20: and accounting for the water in the inevitable expansion of Page Drive,

[1:54:55] Voice 20: either four units or eight units, as I understand it.

[1:55:00] Voice 20: I

[1:55:00] Voice 27: guess, you know, Micah and myself can apply.

[1:55:05] Voice 27: Certainly, when they did the well testing, the Page Drive well water was monitored

[1:55:14] Voice 27: and there didn't seem to be any great effect.

[1:55:17] Voice 27: Mike can speak further to that.

[1:55:19] Voice 27: And also we have the support of the board as well.

[1:55:23] Voice 27: And there's a liaison between the board of Page Drive

[1:55:26] Voice 27: and the board of Galley.

[1:55:29] Voice 27: Mike, you can expand that further if you wish.

[1:55:33] Voice 4: Yeah, thanks, Carol.

[1:55:34] Voice 4: And to your question, Jane,

[1:55:38] Voice 4: Al Kohut paid particular attention

[1:55:41] Voice 4: to the effect on the page drive well

[1:55:45] Voice 4: when we were doing the stress testing

[1:55:47] Voice 4: of the Galliano Green well.

[1:55:50] Voice 12: And

[1:55:50] Voice 4: the details are in his report, of course,

[1:55:54] Voice 4: but he feels that there is sufficient capacity

[1:55:57] Voice 4: and to the point about the potential expansion

[1:56:02] Voice 4: of page drive, that will also be taken into account.

[1:56:06] Voice 4: There seems to be, according to Al Kohut's report,

[1:56:11] Voice 4: a significant safety factor or buffer uh factor so um but the details are in the report

[1:56:18] Voice 4: and

[1:56:19] Voice 20: do you know whether that also applies to the elliott farm and the daystar market area

[1:56:26] Voice 4: those wells the only well that was monitored during the stress test was the page drive well

[1:56:31] Voice 4: it is the closest well right and um so like i don't think that well there isn't anything in

[1:56:39] Voice 4: in the report about because it wasn't measured impacts

[1:56:44] Voice 4: on other wells.

[1:56:48] Voice 20: Okay, thank you.

[1:56:53] Trustee Rogers: Okay, well, thanks that trustee Wolverton.

[1:56:58] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for your very informative presentation.

[1:57:01] Trustee Rogers: It's nice, as I said, it's very nice to meet you all.

[1:57:03] Trustee Rogers: And I would guess that sometime soon

[1:57:08] Trustee Rogers: we'll see your application on our agenda

[1:57:11] Trustee Rogers: and we can start to talk about the details of it

[1:57:16] Trustee Rogers: and what it looks like.

[1:57:18] Trustee Rogers: Yes, Planner Smith, did you have something you wished to add?

[1:57:20] Voice 30: I was just going to say the plan is to have that to LTC

[1:57:23] Voice 30: on the June 1st agenda.

[1:57:24] Voice 30: So that will be me shifting gears to work on that application

[1:57:29] Voice 30: over the next several weeks.

[1:57:33] Voice 4: Very pleased to hear that.

[1:57:34] Voice 30: Yeah, it's a busy time.

[1:57:37] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, there are a few things on our agenda.

[1:57:41] Trustee Rogers: Okay. Well, thank you very much. Nice to, very nice to meet you.

[1:57:44] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for the work that you do in your community.

[1:57:48] Trustee Rogers: So that takes us back to the agenda.

[1:57:51] Trustee Rogers: There's no correspondence and I'm going to suggest we take a break now.

[1:57:55] Trustee Rogers: It's already been close on two hours.

[1:57:58] Trustee Rogers: And if I can suggest that we break until 2.40 and that will only put us an

[1:58:04] Trustee Rogers: hour behind schedule. And,

[1:58:06] Trustee Rogers: And then we'll start again with the applications starting at 14.1 at 2.40, if that's all right.

[1:58:16] Voice 12: See you in 10 minutes.

[2:09:44] Voice 12: Hello, everybody.

[2:09:44] Trustee Rogers: Welcome back. Carly, are you here and ready to go?

[2:09:49] Voice 18: I'm here. Yes, thanks.

[2:09:50] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Carly. And Brad, you're ready to go?

[2:09:54] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[2:09:55] Trustee Rogers: Then we're going to move on to 14.1 on the agenda.

[2:10:01] Trustee Rogers: Do we know, Maple, are there some representatives of the applicant from Crystal Mountain here with us today?

[2:10:09] Voice 16: Just taking a look here, Chair Rogers.

[2:10:12] Voice 16: i see

[2:10:14] Trustee Rogers: elizabeth mcclelland i believe is one of

[2:10:17] Voice 16: them yes yes so yeah she's here um

[2:10:21] Voice 16: do you see anybody else uh planner smith in the list or know of anybody else uh

[2:10:27] Voice 30: keith erickson

[2:10:29] Voice 30: oh

[2:10:29] Voice 16: okay um

[2:10:30] Voice 15: keith erickson is here yep and

[2:10:34] Voice 30: i think janice oakley was on the list i sent you

[2:10:37] Voice 15: yes those three are here okay

[2:10:40] Trustee Rogers: good leslie

[2:10:41] Voice 30: kane was the fourth maple sorry thank you thank you

[2:10:46] Trustee Rogers: so what we'll do is perhaps um as long as jane's chain's still with us right her

[2:10:56] Trustee Rogers: camera's off for a moment there she is um is that we'll um have the staff report uh and then uh

[2:11:04] Trustee Rogers: We'll have questions for the planner and then we'll move the applicant over at that point, probably just keep our screen cleaner for the time being.

[2:11:12] Trustee Rogers: And then we can have the applicant speak to the staff report and we can then have our own discussion.

[2:11:21] Trustee Rogers: So thanks. It's over to you, Planner Smith. Thank you for your report.

[2:11:24] Trustee Rogers: Thank

[2:11:25] Voice 30: you, Chair Rogers. So this application bringing back a second staff report to this

[2:11:31] Voice 30: local trust committee with respect to the rezoning application for Crystal Mountain.

[2:11:36] Voice 30: The staff report in front of you today provides three recommendations building on from the last

[2:11:44] Voice 30: meeting in October 5th, where LTC gave direction to staff to amend the existing draft bylaws

[2:11:51] Voice 30: and bring them back to LTC for consideration.

[2:11:55] Voice 30: So that's where we are here today.

[2:11:57] Voice 30: So the draft bylaws are being presented to Crystal Mountain

[2:12:02] Voice 30: for consideration and use in public engagement.

[2:12:05] Voice 30: And staff are also recommending that LTC consider scheduling

[2:12:09] Voice 30: a community information meeting on this application,

[2:12:13] Voice 30: as well as undertake an APC referral.

[2:12:17] Voice 30: and staff would also undertake agency and first nation referrals as a as a normal part of

[2:12:25] Voice 30: uh procedure um moving forward so i won't spend too much time in the report but we'll

[2:12:33] Voice 30: highlight a few of the uh key changes that have been made since the last presentation

[2:12:38] Voice 30: in the last proposal uh crystal mountain has been busy uh as you heard in town hall there

[2:12:44] Voice 30: there have been a number of changes that have been made

[2:12:47] Voice 30: and I'll just quickly walk through some of those.

[2:12:51] Voice 30: So bylaw number 256, this is the OCP amendment.

[2:12:56] Voice 30: It would be a simple bylaw amendment

[2:12:58] Voice 30: and it would essentially change the land use designation

[2:13:03] Voice 30: of the two existing lots from their current rural

[2:13:06] Voice 30: and forestry designations to a new designation

[2:13:11] Voice 30: uh designation called spiritual education which is uh a new uh description um to this uh proposal

[2:13:22] Voice 30: based on the direction that was in the last staff report and uh with the remainder of the parcels

[2:13:28] Voice 30: becoming um nature protection and then by bylaw 257 this is the land use amendment uh a much more

[2:13:37] Voice 30: more complex set of bylaw amendments and staff took quite a bit of, or the feedback that was

[2:13:45] Voice 30: heard both from the community as well as LTC and drafted bylaw amendments that are shown both in

[2:13:52] Voice 30: clean and struck out form in the attachments for kind of ease of reference. So moving forward,

[2:14:04] Voice 30: If bylaw 257 was adopted, the forestry zone would be rezoned, and also the rural lot would be rezoned in that 2575 split with a 6.14 hectare portion going to spiritual education,

[2:14:28] Voice 30: and the remainder of the two subject parcels going to nature protection as agreed at the last meeting

[2:14:33] Voice 30: and CMS has agreed altogether cooking facilities are no longer being pursued in the sleeping huts

[2:14:40] Voice 30: and newer and updated definitions of spiritual education retreat sleeping hut and tent platform

[2:14:47] Voice 30: platform are included and those the tent platform was a resolution of LTC at the last meeting

[2:14:55] Voice 30: and then we have the site plan changes here so in crystal mountain has provided this

[2:15:06] Voice 30: kind of statement of how they have developed their site plan with a set of principles and

[2:15:12] Voice 30: and then a set of kind of specific guidelines that they've tried to adapt their site plan to

[2:15:19] Voice 30: uh kind of some of the larger changes from the site plan presented in october is one the

[2:15:26] Voice 30: rerouting of the emergency access route back to the original um roadway that uh that the

[2:15:32] Voice 30: neighborhood was uh was seeking uh adjustment of the lower area to better fit geotechnical

[2:15:39] Voice 30: survey line and further minimize habitat impacts it also allows for better operational uh design

[2:15:49] Voice 30: And in particular, in the past, they were going to move the roadway and use that area as one of their as their main tent platform area.

[2:15:58] Voice 30: Now, with their driveway running through that area, they're seeking a more, I guess, tranquil spot on the property to have their different platforms.

[2:16:08] Voice 30: um so that is uh and then uh on the top ridge they've adjusted the lot line to abut uh the

[2:16:17] Voice 30: adjacent uh property as opposed to uh where the easement would have been required so it simplifies

[2:16:25] Voice 30: the easement as the easement would exist and they would need to grant an easement to itc

[2:16:30] Voice 30: as opposed to how they had it configured in October, where the upper parcel was not touching that easement property anymore.

[2:16:42] Voice 30: And so ITC would have had to have an easement agreement with both those property owners.

[2:16:48] Voice 30: And they've pulled the polygon back from the ridge as well to address some safety concerns.

[2:16:56] Voice 30: and so the site plan is provided on page 22 they have reduced a number of tent platforms by two

[2:17:07] Voice 30: they have proposed five slightly larger huts still with no cooking facilities or any other

[2:17:14] Voice 30: kind of plumbing facilities but just slightly larger to accommodate longer visits and more

[2:17:20] Voice 30: more space for their practice of their meditation activities.

[2:17:26] Voice 30: So there was some talk in town hall about lot coverage.

[2:17:29] Voice 30: So to be clear, the lot coverage of the entire lot is 15,500 square feet,

[2:17:37] Voice 30: but that includes all surfaces, not the actual structures.

[2:17:42] Voice 30: The structures themselves are around,

[2:17:45] Voice 30: and I think I probably should have put square yards or square feet in here.

[2:17:49] Voice 30: would have been helpful for most people I will do that next time but I think it's about 9,000

[2:17:55] Voice 30: 9,500 square feet in terms of their actual structures just walking through so subdivision

[2:18:04] Voice 30: approval so if they if rezoning was approved they would also need to get subdivision they're seeking

[2:18:11] Voice 30: a section 99 land title act subdivision which would which is often done between when the

[2:18:19] Voice 30: the transfer of conservation lands occurs. The ITC is familiar with this and they've hired a

[2:18:27] Voice 30: survey technician to or a surveyor to help support them through that application process which they

[2:18:35] Voice 30: are working on in tandem. So we talked about the emergency road access. They would register a

[2:18:42] Voice 30: a statutor right of way through that existing corridor and abandon the approach of moving down

[2:18:52] Voice 30: to that lower bench road that is closer to the riparian area trail access lots of discussion

[2:19:01] Voice 30: about trails and crystal mountain is still open to discussion around that for the donated portion

[2:19:10] Voice 30: portion of course it would be up to ITC to consider public access and trails so ecological assessment

[2:19:20] Voice 30: so in October the local trust committee sought an update to the ecological assessment work that

[2:19:26] Voice 30: had been done so that work has now been completed the report overall is summarized more or less in

[2:19:35] Voice 30: In table three, in general, it demonstrates

[2:19:39] Voice 30: at least an effort to try to eliminate impact

[2:19:43] Voice 30: or reduce impact to the more sensitive habitats.

[2:19:47] Voice 30: And obviously you heard in town hall that,

[2:19:50] Voice 30: and yes, Chair Rogers, it is useful

[2:19:53] Voice 30: to get particular feedback like that in that upper ridge

[2:19:56] Voice 30: where maybe some of that sensitive habitat

[2:20:00] Voice 30: still is captured.

[2:20:01] Voice 30: and there's several recommendations provided in the report

[2:20:07] Voice 30: that local trust committee might want to consider

[2:20:11] Voice 30: as covenant conditions moving forward

[2:20:13] Voice 30: under a section 219 covenant.

[2:20:16] Voice 30: So water supply.

[2:20:17] Voice 30: So in the October report,

[2:20:20] Voice 30: staff had assessed the water report

[2:20:23] Voice 30: and deemed that the report itself was adequate.

[2:20:26] Voice 30: adequate the the land use bylaw doesn't actually create a standard for a development of this type

[2:20:33] Voice 30: so much like the community forest application where there isn't a multi kind of residential

[2:20:40] Voice 30: use standard there's not a real clear standard for this as well so that's staff's view that

[2:20:47] Voice 30: the well report indicates there's enough water for their activities but

[2:20:53] Voice 30: but LTC would need to turn their mind

[2:20:55] Voice 30: to what that appropriate standard is

[2:20:57] Voice 30: and in the lack of an actual true standard to point to.

[2:21:03] Voice 30: And also LTC sought at the last meeting

[2:21:08] Voice 30: a resolution around a water management plan

[2:21:11] Voice 30: for them to implement the five recommendations

[2:21:13] Voice 30: of their water assessment report,

[2:21:18] Voice 30: as well as develop a catchment,

[2:21:20] Voice 30: Water catchment and water management plan, and so the applicant is working on that, and that would be provided to LTC in a future report.

[2:21:33] Voice 30: Just an update there in terms of the ITC conditions of transfer so as you recall in 2017 the ITC board agreed to take title of the 75% portion on based on these.

[2:21:49] Voice 30: eight conditions. So the ITC staff and the applicant are now working

[2:21:58] Voice 30: in a kind of a separate stream on these different conditions and I won't walk through each of them

[2:22:05] Voice 30: but the current statuses of each of them is there. There was reference to the potential to

[2:22:13] Voice 30: uh amend their boundary to capture the pagoda and it's my understanding that would be of the

[2:22:20] Voice 30: interest of the itc as it would relieve them of having to maintain that structure over time but

[2:22:25] Voice 30: that would need to be clarified the itc board will be provided an update at their i think it's may

[2:22:33] Voice 30: 16th meeting on this application and the current proposal and so the itc board may have some

[2:22:42] Voice 30: some further direction for LTC following that meeting.

[2:22:44] Voice 30: Obviously they would be getting an up-to-date summary

[2:22:46] Voice 30: of where things are at with wherever you land today.

[2:22:50] Voice 30: So septic, the Crystal Mountain, as you know,

[2:22:55] Voice 30: has hired Keith Erickson

[2:22:56] Voice 30: to provide project management support.

[2:22:58] Voice 30: And Keith has been working with Island Health

[2:23:01] Voice 30: and they have obtained, I guess,

[2:23:05] Voice 30: septic siting permits from the Island Health,

[2:23:09] Voice 30: approved septic siting permits from Island Health

[2:23:12] Voice 30: for the proposed both upper and lower ridge sites,

[2:23:18] Voice 30: recognizing of course that nothing would happen there

[2:23:21] Voice 30: until they were at a building permit stage

[2:23:24] Voice 30: and then more advanced design work would be required

[2:23:30] Voice 30: that would also go through different approval processes

[2:23:35] Voice 30: beyond the Islands Trust.

[2:23:38] Voice 30: So here we are at consultation,

[2:23:40] Voice 30: of course a public hearing would be a requirement in the future. Staff at this time are recommending

[2:23:46] Voice 30: that a community information meeting be held. Up to date there has never been a community

[2:23:53] Voice 30: information meeting for this application and there is now a set of draft bylaws in front

[2:24:00] Voice 30: of local trust committee for consideration which they may or may not have amendments

[2:24:04] Voice 30: to today. And with all the other work and efforts, it seems appropriate timing or maybe far past due

[2:24:14] Voice 30: to get this in front of a broader community and have their perspective. And then a list of agency

[2:24:19] Voice 30: referrals there and the APC referral recommendation as well. So with that, Chair Rogers, I'll pass it

[2:24:27] Voice 30: back over to you. There's a number of alternatives there as well to the recommendations made by staff

[2:24:33] Voice 30: today thank you um

[2:24:36] Trustee Rogers: thanks very much and uh if i if i could just um uh say one thing before i turn

[2:24:43] Trustee Rogers: it over to the trustees but first of all what we're going to do is i'll have the trustees ask

[2:24:47] Trustee Rogers: staff questions and if if staff doesn't know the answer we can wait until we have the applicants

[2:24:52] Trustee Rogers: and you can ask whatever you think is appropriate um i just wanted to comment on one thing that one

[2:24:58] Trustee Rogers: of the proponents or one of the speakers in town hall said which is about the timing of this

[2:25:04] Trustee Rogers: application. Just two things. One is the application has been around for a long time.

[2:25:11] Trustee Rogers: It's not anything new. It will probably, if it proceeds, it will be around for a while yet. So

[2:25:18] Trustee Rogers: it's not, it's not in a sense, in appropriate timing in terms of COVID. We can't put everything

[2:25:27] Trustee Rogers: everything on pause as we wait for this to unfold and I will say that you know if you're going to

[2:25:33] Trustee Rogers: ask anybody if you're going to point the finger anybody as to why it's moving is I've since I've

[2:25:40] Trustee Rogers: become the chair don't like to see applications sitting there for long periods of time

[2:25:45] Trustee Rogers: because it's not fair to the community it's not fair to the applicant and this one had sat there

[2:25:50] Trustee Rogers: and I had asked the planner to try and get it moving one way or the other so that's one of the

[2:25:56] Trustee Rogers: reasons and it's just a happens chance that it's happened to come for us now in the middle of a

[2:26:02] Trustee Rogers: pandemic so there was no it's not like this was filed during the course of the pandemic um we've

[2:26:09] Trustee Rogers: been asking them i've been asked asking that we move it one way or the other so that we it doesn't

[2:26:14] Trustee Rogers: just sit on our book so just one comment i wanted to make about that i'm going to turn to the two

[2:26:19] Trustee Rogers: trustees and questions you may have for the planner related to his report um arising from

[2:26:26] Trustee Rogers: comments or questions you have anything like who would like to go first neither of you have

[2:26:33] Trustee Rogers: questions for the planner yeah trustee wolverton that

[2:26:36] Voice 30: was too easy no

[2:26:38] Voice 20: no trustee go ahead

[2:26:42] Trustee Rogers: she's deferring to you oh

[2:26:44] Voice 12: wait sorry you're muted trustee

[2:26:50] Voice 30: wolverton right

[2:26:52] Voice 20: i was looking at some of

[2:26:53] Voice 20: the sizes of the sleeping huts and meditation halls so this isn't necessarily this is more of

[2:27:00] Voice 20: a question to the applicants um i noticed that uh the original application showed 1200 square feet

[2:27:09] Voice 20: uh for the i'm going to use square feet just sorry for the meditation hall and the current

[2:27:17] Voice 20: one is 1345 and i was just going to comment that the the south galliano hall main hall is 1200

[2:27:26] Voice 20: square feet uh that's not including the stage so that just gives you a kind of a visual picture

[2:27:33] Voice 20: um i also noted that in the original application there were 11 11 huts and and now you know we

[2:27:40] Voice 20: have more than that and the size of the huts I also I have talked to the applicants but it was

[2:27:48] Voice 20: prior to going through your report but I noticed I mean they're they're also fairly large like

[2:27:55] Voice 20: the sleeping hut the two of them I think the two of them up on top are 226 square feet and the

[2:28:03] Voice 20: there are 17 that are 161 square feet um you know and the tent platforms at 150 square feet

[2:28:13] Voice 20: they just those seem a little bit out of scale for what um i would imagine a simple structure

[2:28:23] Voice 20: that would be a sleeping hut with meditation space or a tent platform with meditation space

[2:28:30] Voice 20: that's all I wanted to comment right now

[2:28:32] Trustee Rogers: okay trust you Rockefeller questions for the planner

[2:28:36] Trustee Rogers: if I clarification would be a good thing to do at this point um

[2:28:40] Voice 17: yeah so this is for planner

[2:28:42] Voice 17: Smith to the chair I was just wondering in the lot coverage if septic fields are always included

[2:28:48] Voice 17: because you did include it in the lot coverage and I was curious if that's if that's if that's

[2:28:54] Voice 17: normal practice or if you're just doing it for us to to see overall sorry

[2:29:01] Voice 30: can you ask that one

[2:29:02] Voice 30: more time

[2:29:02] Voice 17: yeah sorry it's just um in your calculation of lot coverage you had the septic

[2:29:07] Voice 17: fields and parking as well and i was just curious if i sorry i don't have the page right now but is

[2:29:14] Voice 17: that common to do that or is that just for our benefit to see it

[2:29:18] Voice 30: is for your benefit and so the

[2:29:20] Voice 30: applicant provided these tables and i reviewed them of course but um the applicant provided

[2:29:25] Voice 30: of the tables just to provide some relevant reference to the entire lot coverage which

[2:29:33] Voice 30: so lot coverage does count parking space as well as kind of sun decks for example

[2:29:41] Voice 30: where they're not captured as floor area which is the interior space within the structure.

[2:29:48] Voice 30: Okay,

[2:29:49] Voice 17: I think that was all of my questions for the planner. Thank you.

[2:29:54] Voice 17: Okay,

[2:29:55] Trustee Rogers: so I've got a couple of just before we get turned to the applicant.

[2:30:00] Trustee Rogers: So my understanding would be that on page 23, when we see the first chart,

[2:30:07] Trustee Rogers: that the 995 square meters is the total of all of the structures, per se.

[2:30:13] Trustee Rogers: Am I reading that correctly?

[2:30:16] Voice 30: Correct.

[2:30:17] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[2:30:17] Trustee Rogers: Which, as you say, translates out to just, I think, just over 10,000 square feet.

[2:30:23] Trustee Rogers: I'm

[2:30:23] Voice 30: about to get that for you.

[2:30:26] Voice 30: Anyway.

[2:30:27] Trustee Rogers: Go to Google.

[2:30:30] Trustee Rogers: But anyway, and the remainder of it is the septic and the parking and the other areas.

[2:30:37] Trustee Rogers: So just a couple of questions to be sure.

[2:30:39] Trustee Rogers: I'm sure, and this is the chart, the map that's on page 22, or the bigger one that's actually on page 56, a bigger version of it.

[2:30:50] Trustee Rogers: And thank you for the bigger version for these old eyes.

[2:30:53] Trustee Rogers: Makes it easier for me to see.

[2:30:54] Trustee Rogers: and i

[2:30:55] Voice 30: underestimated it's 10 700 square feet that 995 square meters right

[2:31:01] Trustee Rogers: thank you so that's the

[2:31:03] Trustee Rogers: total built structure some of which already exist i would understand that's

[2:31:07] Voice 30: correct a few of them

[2:31:09] Voice 30: yeah but most

[2:31:10] Trustee Rogers: of them don't

[2:31:11] Voice 30: or or not maybe uh in their what their final actual yes yeah yeah

[2:31:16] Trustee Rogers: that's what i would understand and that's when we're talking about what the total structures

[2:31:22] Trustee Rogers: that are there that they're bringing proposed uh that's what we would look at so just want to make

[2:31:27] Trustee Rogers: sure i understand a couple things about for example and you can help me with this or i can

[2:31:32] Trustee Rogers: ask the applicant about the the document the the the um the layout uh the site plan on page 56

[2:31:41] Trustee Rogers: the upper site it looks like as you said they looks like they pulled the western boundary of

[2:31:50] Trustee Rogers: of that i'm thinking that's west up the up away from the ridge a little bit but then they put that

[2:31:56] Trustee Rogers: that what someone referred to as a hook um or a uh but extended a sort of a finger into the

[2:32:05] Trustee Rogers: to the ridge there is that am i reading that right so

[2:32:10] Voice 30: i think i'm not sure if the if it extends

[2:32:12] Voice 30: farther or if just how they've drawn it back now makes it look like like an extended finger

[2:32:18] Voice 30: so I'm not sure and that is a question for the applicant okay so the the chunk of polygon

[2:32:24] Voice 30: that were now says draft property line it was drawn back from the ridge to consider safety

[2:32:31] Voice 30: I think largely but they did want to still capture a small portion of the ridge for their operational

[2:32:37] Voice 30: use I guess but I don't think that they extended out farther onto the ridge right

[2:32:44] Trustee Rogers: so if I can ask

[2:32:46] Trustee Rogers: this question um has the conservative one of the thing we've heard it you know there were some

[2:32:54] Trustee Rogers: consistent considerations that were raised in town hall today and in our correspondence

[2:32:59] Trustee Rogers: um one is the loss of the ability to walk along that ridge uh if the property is

[2:33:07] Trustee Rogers: it blocks the way and that's the way i would understand it to go is along there and

[2:33:12] Trustee Rogers: a lot but the other one is the is the one that i wanted to ask you about was this this theme of the

[2:33:19] Trustee Rogers: fragmentation of the forest and um i wondered can you tell me whether the conservancy has weighed

[2:33:26] Trustee Rogers: in on that at all like the islands trust conservancy uh on that issue of this of this um

[2:33:33] Trustee Rogers: the split lot this split line hook blotter is

[2:33:36] Trustee Rogers: called and whether or not that has an impact

[2:33:39] Trustee Rogers: act on the fragmentation of the forest and not talking about keith erickson's report i'm talking

[2:33:43] Trustee Rogers: about whether the conservancy is weighed in on that

[2:33:46] Voice 30: so one of the conditions that are in that

[2:33:49] Voice 30: table is that uh the uh original configuration had the lot the upper parcel from uh lot line to lot

[2:33:58] Voice 30: lot line so it created a uh so from uh district lot 90 uh to lot b the parcel captured the whole

[2:34:11] Voice 30: thing and so they're right now in the plan uh you do have contiguous uh area that would be owned by

[2:34:19] Voice 30: the conservancy now whether that's contiguously accessed is a different question because there's

[2:34:24] Voice 30: ridges all through there so like massive ridges um so uh you know as a wildlife corridor for

[2:34:32] Voice 30: example it wouldn't really suffice as that but uh i think that this does address that condition

[2:34:39] Voice 30: that they uh wanted at least to have a single lot which they would end up here as opposed to

[2:34:46] Voice 30: uh the previous configuration where itc would have had a little uh triangle donut as a parcel hook

[2:34:52] Voice 30: on that top portion.

[2:34:55] Trustee Rogers: Right, and I guess

[2:34:56] Trustee Rogers: I understand that and I appreciate

[2:34:59] Trustee Rogers: it, but I just wondered if they haven't

[2:35:01] Trustee Rogers: weighed into it, it's a question we may want to

[2:35:03] Trustee Rogers: ask

[2:35:03] Voice 30: about whether they

[2:35:05] Voice 30: have

[2:35:05] Trustee Rogers: concerns about the

[2:35:07] Trustee Rogers: forest fragmentation

[2:35:08] Trustee Rogers: with a configuration like this.

[2:35:11] Trustee Rogers: That's fine, it sounds...

[2:35:13] Trustee Rogers: Go ahead.

[2:35:14] Voice 30: They have seen this

[2:35:17] Voice 30: new lot configuration

[2:35:18] Voice 30: and I think that

[2:35:20] Voice 30: but it's my understanding that they prefer this one

[2:35:23] Voice 30: as it cleans up that easement issue.

[2:35:28] Voice 30: Right.

[2:35:29] Voice 30: So ITC is at least at a staff level.

[2:35:33] Voice 30: And so I guess what will be presented at the board meeting

[2:35:36] Voice 30: will be this plan and a discussion at the board

[2:35:44] Voice 30: as to whether this plan and those existing conditions

[2:35:48] Voice 30: still warrant them uh seeking approval or setting uh other conditions or or or further

[2:35:57] Voice 30: clarification or or changes to to the map for example to feel that they've met those

[2:36:03] Voice 30: eight conditions yeah so i

[2:36:05] Voice 30: think most of those conditions are getting uh yeah i i think uh

[2:36:10] Voice 30: from a true forest fragmentation perspective um i guess any development fragments for us in a sense

[2:36:17] Voice 30: and

[2:36:18] Trustee Rogers: i'm not looking for an answer to that question i just really but i mean a question

[2:36:22] Trustee Rogers: about whether this is a fragmented forest i wanted to know if the

[2:36:25] Trustee Rogers: conservancy had weighed

[2:36:26] Trustee Rogers: in on that

[2:36:27] Voice 30: i think their conservancy is more around lot fragmentation in terms of fragmenting

[2:36:32] Voice 30: into two hooked parcels and that uh they see the the benefit of gaining 75 percent of the land base

[2:36:39] Voice 30: um and uh and conserving most of the uh uh sensitive habitats that exist there as uh

[2:36:48] Voice 30: as the real benefit okay

[2:36:52] Trustee Rogers: thank you um yeah trustee roxwell um

[2:36:56] Voice 17: i just had another question for the

[2:36:58] Voice 17: planner when you're ready jerry rogers no

[2:37:00] Trustee Rogers: go ahead okay

[2:37:01] Voice 17: um i was wondering i feel like i read

[2:37:04] Voice 17: somewhere that uh cohort's original water report maybe didn't account for flush toilets water use

[2:37:13] Voice 30: i'm pretty sure that accounts for both uh definitely down in the lower ridge for sure

[2:37:20] Voice 30: and it

[2:37:21] Voice 30: only considers the lower ridge uh operations i guess ltc could ask cohort to update

[2:37:27] Voice 30: date his analysis with the exact number of like the density has changed so you could ask the

[2:37:37] Voice 30: applicant to get the table updated so that it's more accurately reflects the current proposed

[2:37:46] Voice 30: density okay

[2:37:48] Voice 16: thank you and

[2:37:52] Trustee Rogers: just a couple other questions and then we'll turn to the applicant

[2:37:55] Trustee Rogers: And as I understand the, I actually had not realized this particular, there's no proposal for this to hook into the grid.

[2:38:05] Trustee Rogers: So it's not, it's going to be off grid, right?

[2:38:07] Voice 30: Incorrect.

[2:38:07] Voice 30: The lower portion would be the caretaker building and the primary kitchen and washroom facility would all be tied into BC Hydro.

[2:38:23] Voice 30: And the cabins would really only have lighting, and that would be likely solar-powered.

[2:38:32] Voice 30: The upper ridge, they would need to figure out an off-the-grid power source there, presumably, as power would be unrealistic.

[2:38:43] Voice 30: But at the lower ridge, they have the power right to the end of Davina there.

[2:38:47] Voice 30: there. So it's only a matter of putting in the telephone poles to do it and running the line down.

[2:38:54] Trustee Rogers: Hydro poles. Okay, again, maybe I'm getting into details, I need to ask the applicant rather than

[2:39:02] Trustee Rogers: you. I'm wondering about some of the comments we got about all these huts having heating and

[2:39:09] Trustee Rogers: all the propane emissions, etc. And I know that there are there are two cooking facilities that

[2:39:15] Trustee Rogers: perhaps would be running off propane but i don't remember seeing uh heating in the huts that i saw

[2:39:22] Trustee Rogers: but perhaps i've forgotten maybe there were heaters

[2:39:24] Voice 30: there's no proposal that i've heard for

[2:39:27] Voice 30: for propane powered heating in the huts um that's a good question how do they heat those huts i guess

[2:39:34] Voice 30: uh question

[2:39:36] Voice 1: for the applicants

[2:39:37] Voice 30: uh that's a question that is a question for the applicants perhaps

[2:39:40] Voice 30: perhaps, but I think they would use a cookstove as many, propane cookstove as many, you know,

[2:39:52] Voice 30: houses on the islands do, of course. That's one of the primary methods, but they would not have,

[2:39:58] Voice 30: to my knowledge or understanding, you know, individual propane infrastructure in each

[2:40:05] Voice 30: structure, any of the structures except for the main cookhouse ones, but that would be

[2:40:09] Voice 30: something for them to clarify and

[2:40:10] Trustee Rogers: presumably some heating in the washrooms for the to heat the water

[2:40:13] Trustee Rogers: and well

[2:40:14] Voice 30: they would have power there though so oh okay okay

[2:40:18] Trustee Rogers: unless unless anybody has any specific

[2:40:21] Trustee Rogers: questions for the the planner before i mean i may have some comments about some of the drafting

[2:40:28] Trustee Rogers: of the bylaws um but i'm gonna what should we invite the applicant the trustees ready to invite

[2:40:34] Trustee Rogers: invite the applicants to join in and if so,

[2:40:37] Trustee Rogers: Maple, can you move them all over, whoever's coming?

[2:40:41] Voice 16: Yes, just bear with me for a minute, Chair Rogers.

[2:40:44] Voice 16: I am moving them over.

[2:40:52] Voice 16: I just don't see Leslie Kane on the list,

[2:40:55] Voice 16: but the other three I've moved over.

[2:40:57] Voice 16: I

[2:41:03] Voice 12: see Ms. Oakley and

[2:41:14] Trustee Rogers: there's Keith Erickson.

[2:41:18] Trustee Rogers: And I see Elizabeth McClellan is over,

[2:41:22] Trustee Rogers: but not turned her camera on yet.

[2:41:24] Trustee Rogers: she can if she wishes up to you correct okay and was there a fourth person you wanted to

[2:41:33] Trustee Rogers: join us or you're good with the three no just the three of you okay so here's what i'd like to do is

[2:41:39] Trustee Rogers: give you um the opportunity to respond to the planners uh report and the recommendations in

[2:41:47] Trustee Rogers: there and make your comments and uh and then we may very well have some questions for one or all

[2:41:53] Trustee Rogers: of you so i don't know who wish would like to speak first or if anybody wishes to say anything

[2:42:01] Trustee Rogers: go ahead miss oakland hi

[2:42:04] Voice 21: there thanks so much for um um hanging in with us through the twists and

[2:42:10] Voice 21: turns of this application um really just a general comment about the process and the um the focus on

[2:42:19] Voice 21: detail and the focus on doing it right in order to protect these lands from the vulnerability of

[2:42:28] Voice 21: logging again is really essential and central to our goals too as the applicant.

[2:42:36] Voice 21: It's been a real pleasure to be working with Keith who can hold you know the entirety of the details

[2:42:46] Voice 21: So I suspect that Keith will address most of what comes up,

[2:42:50] Voice 21: though we are all very intimately discussing all of these details all the time.

[2:42:55] Voice 21: So, Keith, maybe you want to start off by addressing, you know, the things that have come up just over the last 15 minutes.

[2:43:10] Voice 3: Sure. I'm happy to address any of the technical questions about the proposal.

[2:43:18] Voice 3: and I will let the trustees and bring those forward

[2:43:23] Voice 3: one at a time as you wish.

[2:43:27] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so the first thing I sort of would like to say

[2:43:31] Trustee Rogers: is ask you to do is if you could address

[2:43:34] Trustee Rogers: the recommendations made by the planner, first of all,

[2:43:37] Trustee Rogers: which if you have any comments related

[2:43:39] Trustee Rogers: to those three recommendations about sending this to a CIM,

[2:43:45] Trustee Rogers: to doing some referrals and those sorts of things.

[2:43:51] Trustee Rogers: If you have any comments related to those things

[2:43:54] Trustee Rogers: before we get into the more detailed question

[2:43:58] Trustee Rogers: about the actual application.

[2:44:00] Voice 3: Sure, I can report that Crystal Mountain

[2:44:04] Voice 3: is supportive of the proposed bylaws

[2:44:09] Voice 3: that the planner has put forward.

[2:44:11] Voice 3: and we are eager to move forward and are happy to prepare some information for a CIM as suggested by

[2:44:23] Voice 3: the planner and feel that we're at a point now in this process where we've got enough of the

[2:44:33] Voice 3: details pulled together and enough of the picture pulled together where a CIM could be very

[2:44:38] Voice 3: beneficial to get people together with the right information and the correct information and all

[2:44:48] Voice 3: on the same page. So we feel that that's great as a next step and also welcome the referrals to the

[2:44:54] Voice 3: APC and other agencies as well. So that would be Crystal Mountain's preferred

[2:45:02] Voice 3: way to move forward at this point.

[2:45:05] Trustee Rogers: okay thanks uh trustee rockefeller um

[2:45:10] Voice 17: this is a question for um keith erickson and you don't

[2:45:14] Voice 17: have to answer it feels like it put you in an awkward spot um i didn't i didn't get a chance

[2:45:19] Voice 17: to do a uh site visit to the upper portion so in regards to our ocp and fragmentation which i have

[2:45:28] Voice 17: of high respect for.

[2:45:29] Voice 17: I'm just wondering, from your report,

[2:45:33] Voice 17: it looks like the majority of the structures,

[2:45:36] Voice 17: if approved, will be in a low special area,

[2:45:41] Voice 17: like it's already logged or minimal.

[2:45:46] Voice 17: Is that correct?

[2:45:47] Voice 17: Or is there, I'm just trying to get a picture

[2:45:49] Voice 17: of what the top area looks like.

[2:45:51] Voice 3: Sure, so there's a very steep southwest facing ridge,

[2:45:58] Voice 3: which has the um mature forest ecosystem on it or sorry southwest facing slope that leads up to a

[2:46:07] Voice 3: ridge that houses the mature forest ecosystems and that those are contained if you're looking

[2:46:12] Voice 3: at that map on page 56 those are contained within the red stripy type area okay and then there is a

[2:46:21] Voice 3: a bench like quite a flat bench actually um that has been previous law previously logged as has

[2:46:29] Voice 3: most of the flat benches or flatter areas on the island um uh where all of the proposed development

[2:46:37] Voice 3: is focused um and then moving further to the northwest there's another ridge that goes up

[2:46:44] Voice 3: which is another line of stripy or sorry another steep slope moving up to another ridge which is

[2:46:50] Voice 3: is the other stripey piece on that map.

[2:46:53] Voice 3: So all of that development is focused

[2:46:56] Voice 3: within the previously logged

[2:46:58] Voice 3: and disturbed flat bench area.

[2:47:02] Voice 3: The finger or sort of hook

[2:47:07] Voice 3: that's going out towards the ridge,

[2:47:09] Voice 3: that is there simply to address

[2:47:15] Voice 3: address the, um, the applicant's desire to have access to a view scape. So I've been, um, told

[2:47:25] Voice 3: that the, uh, you know, having a, uh, a view to practice your meditation from is extraordinarily

[2:47:32] Voice 3: important to the teachings that go on on the land. And, uh, so that is to satisfy that. So what,

[2:47:39] Voice 3: What happened there is that that little finger represents a very narrow strip where the participants or who are participating in the program can walk to.

[2:47:51] Voice 3: So it would be a pedestrian access only viewpoint, essentially.

[2:47:57] Voice 3: It's about 20 meters wide, a very narrow strip.

[2:48:00] Voice 3: and that was made that way in order to minimize Crystal Mountain's use of that sensitive

[2:48:09] Voice 3: ridgeline area and focus that use to just a very small portion.

[2:48:14] Voice 17: Okay, thank you very much.

[2:48:23] Voice 20: um okay sorry i thought it was muted um when i was looking

[2:48:30] Voice 12: seemed

[2:48:34] Voice 20: to be getting some feedback you're

[2:48:37] Voice 3: good now uh

[2:48:41] Voice 20: keith when i was looking at your report

[2:48:42] Voice 20: and your recommendations for uh rehabilitation for your restoration it looks to me as if the

[2:48:52] Voice 20: the majority of the restoration would fall

[2:48:54] Voice 20: under the ITC land.

[2:48:56] Voice 20: Is that, am I reading that correctly?

[2:49:02] Voice 3: Well, I haven't looked at, you know, percentages,

[2:49:06] Voice 3: but the majority of the Crystal Mountain land

[2:49:12] Voice 3: is heavily impacted previously log forest.

[2:49:16] Voice 3: And there's a lot of restoration that can be done

[2:49:20] Voice 3: within the Crystal Mountain proposed area.

[2:49:22] Voice 3: area. There is also a lot of restoration that can be done within the Island Trust Conservancy

[2:49:30] Voice 3: portion, because there's no getting around the lot was heavily logged and not treated

[2:49:38] Voice 3: very well in the past. And so there's a lot of work to be done there. However, the intact,

[2:49:46] Voice 3: the areas that are intact, and there's quite a bit of it, are almost exclusively within the

[2:49:51] Voice 3: Islands Trust Conservancy portion. Not entirely, but the vast majority. Lot 9, for instance,

[2:49:59] Voice 3: the entirety of that lot is mature forest and wouldn't need any... Well, there's a couple of

[2:50:05] Voice 3: roads that are still through there that one could restore if one chose to, but there's no

[2:50:13] Voice 3: compelling overriding need for restoration in that area. There are a few portions of the

[2:50:20] Voice 3: of the ITC's land that could benefit from restoration.

[2:50:24] Voice 20: I

[2:50:25] Voice 3: don't know if that helps.

[2:50:27] Voice 20: Yeah, yeah.

[2:50:31] Voice 3: I'll just actually, Jane, I'll just add that there are

[2:50:34] Voice 3: a couple of old logging roads that Crystal Mountain

[2:50:39] Voice 3: has used to have tent sites

[2:50:46] Voice 3: and currently has two of its huts

[2:50:52] Voice 3: sleeping huts on. And those two sleeping huts are not located within the proposed

[2:51:02] Voice 3: current lot configuration. And so what Crystal Mountain is proposing is that they will

[2:51:08] Voice 3: move those huts, remove those huts from those areas onto the proposed Crystal Mountain portion,

[2:51:15] Voice 3: and then restore those previously damaged logging roads and landing sites where they

[2:51:23] Voice 3: they had located them by doing rough and loose decompaction

[2:51:26] Voice 3: and some planting so that when those sites go

[2:51:29] Voice 3: or if those sites were to be transferred

[2:51:32] Voice 3: to the Islands Trust Conservancy,

[2:51:35] Voice 3: they would be already be restored.

[2:51:38] Voice 20: Okay, I have a couple more questions.

[2:51:41] Voice 20: One is, is the observation well on the plan,

[2:51:46] Voice 20: does that exist now?

[2:51:48] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:51:51] Voice 20: And would you, I know that you comment on Spotlight Creek and that it dries up for a portion of the year.

[2:52:02] Voice 20: Do you have concerns that the activities that have gone on would have polluted anything downstream from Crystal Mountain?

[2:52:15] Voice 3: I'm going to just say that that's a bit beyond the scope of my expertise.

[2:52:20] Voice 3: um oh yeah i'll leave it at that i guess okay let's

[2:52:31] Trustee Rogers: see rockefeller any follow-up question

[2:52:33] Trustee Rogers: so i i have a question for um and you know because these are questions that are going to arise

[2:52:41] Trustee Rogers: i have a number of them that arise from some of the comments we got earlier today

[2:52:46] Trustee Rogers: um and then what one of the ones that's sort of sitting with me is uh you wouldn't have you may

[2:52:53] Trustee Rogers: not have seen we we've heard from two former trustees um uh one in writing who didn't appear

[2:53:00] Trustee Rogers: today one verbally today and they both said the same thing they were surprised at how many

[2:53:06] Trustee Rogers: how how much the number of structures being sought had grown and they both both said i i

[2:53:13] Trustee Rogers: guess i'm more looking to you know the representatives whoever wants to speak to it

[2:53:17] Trustee Rogers: they had gone from and i don't know if this is completely accurate but from 12 to 28 but whatever

[2:53:23] Trustee Rogers: it is but it had gone up quite a bit and I wanted to give you both an opportunity or whomever wants

[2:53:30] Trustee Rogers: to speak to it to speak to the reason or the rationale for that I have another question but

[2:53:38] Trustee Rogers: let's start with that one because that becomes that was a as you heard a number of people have

[2:53:46] Trustee Rogers: expressed the view that it's that the it's the foot for lack of a better word the footprint's

[2:53:52] Trustee Rogers: too big there's too many structures um and they're bigger than they used to be and why is that so i

[2:53:58] Trustee Rogers: wanted to give you a chance to comment on that if you if you're able i don't know i'll defer to

[2:54:05] Voice 3: to one of the others for that yeah

[2:54:07] Trustee Rogers: that's what i presumed um

[2:54:10] Voice 11: um i did a uh trying to see if i can

[2:54:16] Voice 11: find it here where i where i looked at it not finding where i did it in all this um meeting

[2:54:23] Voice 11: stuff today let's see if i can pull it out of my head i looked up that 2004 plan because that's

[2:54:32] Voice 11: what they were referring to and as we know there's been a new application filed at the

[2:54:39] Voice 11: recommendation of the islands trust in 2014 i think it was and that old staff plan from 2004

[2:54:48] Voice 11: and I'm pulling this out of my head um had 12 huts no I have it

[2:54:59] Voice 21: here Libby okay great I can

[2:55:01] Voice 11: just read it

[2:55:02] Voice 21: off yeah so as

[2:55:03] Voice 21: soon as that was brought up in the meeting we dealt we had the

[2:55:07] Voice 21: time to dig back and we have a list 2004 staff report um it was still 30 retreatants uh 12 tent

[2:55:16] Voice 21: tent sites, eight 140 square foot huts, four 220 square foot cabins, a caretaker cottage and a

[2:55:25] Voice 21: teacher's house. So also

[2:55:28] Voice 21: an entire house included in that. Yeah. That's in a nutshell what the

[2:55:34] Voice 21: I mean,

[2:55:35] Trustee Rogers: we can go back and look at that. But I was, as I said, we can go back and look at that.

[2:55:39] Trustee Rogers: But I was struck by both of the trustees sort of raising the same issue. And basically saying,

[2:55:46] Trustee Rogers: to us hard for me to support when I see the growth in the number of structures

[2:55:50] Trustee Rogers: um so I sort of took them at but you know 2004 is a while ago um my other question is um and I

[2:55:59] Trustee Rogers: want to address just going to give you a chance to address a few of the questions points that

[2:56:03] Trustee Rogers: were raised today um all the the various huts do they have heat in them yeah

[2:56:12] Voice 11: they do how are they

[2:56:13] Voice 11: They do have heat in them. And if you recall, you know, both you and Brad said you didn't remember seeing it.

[2:56:20] Voice 11: Maybe it's because they're so small. They're marine heaters. They're designed for a boat.

[2:56:26] Voice 11: And so they do have that little little propane heaters, you know, on a building that's that small.

[2:56:34] Voice 11: It was a challenge for us to find a heat source that wasn't too too big for the building.

[2:56:42] Voice 11: so that's what we found that works very nicely is these little little rain and

[2:56:48] Trustee Rogers: i and and is

[2:56:49] Trustee Rogers: planter smith corrected the power that you'll use hydro to connect to the caretaker's cabin

[2:56:56] Trustee Rogers: the kitchens down below and the bathroom suddenly

[2:57:00] Voice 11: the um you know we have to have the power for the

[2:57:03] Voice 11: septic system the water system the kitchen the um the uh wash house when when the caretaker's

[2:57:15] Voice 11: place is done we would probably then have have power to the teaching building um

[2:57:22] Voice 11: but we're not discussing putting power to the huts no

[2:57:29] Trustee Rogers: i don't think anybody indicated that i

[2:57:32] Trustee Rogers: I think the concern that

[2:57:32] Trustee Rogers: was raised was we're going to be using,

[2:57:35] Trustee Rogers: there's going to be a whole bunch of propane and where's the climate change

[2:57:39] Trustee Rogers: plans involved in this. And then I have another question is,

[2:57:43] Trustee Rogers: is this one other question? Cause it came up repeatedly as,

[2:57:46] Trustee Rogers: and both from people who are there and some writing is apparently there's a,

[2:57:53] Trustee Rogers: and I don't recall it, but that,

[2:57:55] Trustee Rogers: that there's a concern about losing a trail across the,

[2:57:59] Trustee Rogers: the where your upper ridge is uh in order to connect from the the lots to this to the south

[2:58:07] Trustee Rogers: or west or whatever that is up to lot 87 and i wondered if you had any comment related to that

[2:58:12] Trustee Rogers: because i think

[2:58:13] Trustee Rogers: that came up a number of times i

[2:58:15] Voice 3: can answer uh at least some of that um and i'll

[2:58:19] Voice 3: go back to the energy as well but um in terms of the trail uh there there is no public trail

[2:58:25] Voice 3: or public access across lot a um currently so there's no loss of a public trail

[2:58:37] Voice 3: at all i i i believe that some of the neighbors um crystal mountain has welcomed some of the

[2:58:44] Voice 3: neighbors to use that lot um privately and

[2:58:51] Trustee Rogers: that's as far

[2:58:52] Voice 3: as i've been told that's all i know

[2:58:54] Trustee Rogers: okay so

[2:58:55] Trustee Rogers: So your view would be, just so I understand, so we crystallize with the issues, not, sorry, that's a bad choice of words, so that we get the issues clearly on the table.

[2:59:07] Trustee Rogers: Your view is that when they're talking about that 45-minute hike the gentleman was talking about, it doesn't formally exist.

[2:59:15] Trustee Rogers: People may do it, but it doesn't formally exist at the moment.

[2:59:18] Voice 3: no there's that crystal mountains lot a and then i believe the neighboring lot b beside it are

[2:59:25] Voice 3: private lots i don't think there's any um well there's not on crystal mountain any public

[2:59:32] Voice 3: right-of-way or trail agreement okay

[2:59:35] Trustee Rogers: thanks uh and i'll let

[2:59:37] Trustee Rogers: go to you and then i'll go to trustee

[2:59:39] Trustee Rogers: wolvard then there's

[2:59:40] Voice 30: just i was just trying to clarify maybe i think they're probably they're

[2:59:44] Voice 30: They're more referring to trail potential, and Keith is right, there is no currently any legal access across that as it's a privately owned parcel, and nothing has been granted, but I think what they're saying is that

[3:00:00] Voice 30: ltc if there was approval they should consider as a community amenity some kind of access across

[3:00:07] Voice 30: that ridge if the rest of the land base became a public acts resource that's

[3:00:13] Trustee Rogers: fine thanks yes

[3:00:14] Trustee Rogers: elizabeth miss mcclellan and then i'll go to i

[3:00:17] Voice 11: think it i think it would be pertinent to um

[3:00:22] Voice 11: yeah yeah as far as as we're aware and i think we're pretty aware there is no public access

[3:00:28] Voice 11: across lot B and that's the Romanoli Smith rezoning

[3:00:31] Voice 11: that's happening.

[3:00:32] Voice 11: So actually that's a good thing to keep in mind

[3:00:35] Voice 11: when you're talking about activity up on the ridge,

[3:00:38] Voice 11: they're going to, you can look at the map,

[3:00:40] Voice 11: you'll see their five acre plot is up there

[3:00:42] Voice 11: where their home will be, et cetera.

[3:00:45] Voice 11: And then the other comment is that

[3:00:49] Voice 11: we pulled that boundary back as Keith said,

[3:00:54] Voice 11: away from the trail on the ridge to protect the

[3:00:58] Voice 11: have the terminology correct the red listed ecosystem along the ridge we felt it would

[3:01:04] Voice 11: be very important to the islands trust conservancy and and we retained that little 20 meter tongue

[3:01:11] Voice 11: that he's talking about for

[3:01:13] Voice 11: the purposes he stated and so the reality is as the reality is is that

[3:01:18] Voice 11: that land will actually be under the auspices of the islands trust conservancy for that particular

[3:01:24] Voice 11: particular reason of preserving that sensitive area so now there's the challenge of trying to

[3:01:29] Voice 11: put a public trail across that very piece of land and so you can kind of see all the

[3:01:38] Voice 11: parameters that come in and hinge on that okay

[3:01:41] Trustee Rogers: thanks Ms. McLeod just just so you know you're

[3:01:44] Trustee Rogers: echoing quite a bit but we can we can hear

[3:01:46] Voice 11: you so sorry about

[3:01:49] Trustee Rogers: that that's

[3:01:49] Voice 11: okay we can we can

[3:01:50] Voice 11: make out what you're saying

[3:01:51] Trustee Rogers: uh trustee wolverton you had your hand uh

[3:01:55] Voice 20: yes i was just uh going to

[3:01:57] Voice 20: ask about the trail as well how feasible it is to because i i think that there is a community

[3:02:04] Voice 20: interest in obviously in in the trail network and how feasible is it to have a trail that

[3:02:11] Voice 20: traverses there and then goes into lot 87 i don't know keith if you've looked at the topography

[3:02:17] Voice 20: there and whether that's uh uh i

[3:02:23] Voice 3: haven't i haven't looked at the topography on dl87

[3:02:27] Voice 3: um so i can't like i haven't wandered through there to see if there's a way to

[3:02:33] Voice 3: get for instance from the ridge out to cook road um so i couldn't i i don't know um i i can

[3:02:44] Voice 3: certainly tell you that getting from the proposed development area on the ridge of Crystal Mountain

[3:02:53] Voice 3: lot A, there's another system of ridges that you have to get up when it's not particularly safe.

[3:03:03] Voice 3: I just don't know what happens to that. Maybe there's a spot on DL 87 where you can get up

[3:03:08] Voice 3: and over i think that's what um um mr finley might have been alluding to and i haven't i just haven't

[3:03:14] Voice 3: been up there to to see that nonetheless i'm not sure what the status of bl87 is either in terms

[3:03:21] Voice 3: of allowing for public trails and such and whether that's part of a treaty negotiation or what the

[3:03:28] Voice 3: future lies for that property as well i think there's a in terms of public trails along that

[3:03:33] Voice 3: that ridge there's a number of complications that would need to get um addressed in addition to

[3:03:39] Voice 3: finding a route across the lot a i'm gonna i'm

[3:03:43] Voice 3: gonna sound i'm

[3:03:45] Trustee Rogers: gonna sound like the off island

[3:03:46] Trustee Rogers: or i am can someone remind me i that what the status of dl87 is like i i know i've been told

[3:03:52] Trustee Rogers: and i've just forgot it's

[3:03:54] Voice 20: going to come up later in our meeting when we when we uh talk about our

[3:04:00] Voice 20: projects list it

[3:04:02] Voice 30: did come up earlier in uh both uh trustee wolverton rockefeller asked uh myself

[3:04:07] Voice 30: and rpm kojima uh district lot 87 is a crown owned lot uh it was subject to a rezoning proposal in

[3:04:17] Voice 30: 2010 2011 there's even a draft or a bylaw there at first reading but uh it had stalled out for

[3:04:24] Voice 30: for whatever reason, that rezoning proposal,

[3:04:28] Voice 30: because it's fresh, I don't have a lot of the history,

[3:04:31] Voice 30: but potentially it is something that LTC could look

[3:04:37] Voice 30: at revisiting in terms of...

[3:04:39] Voice 30: But

[3:04:40] Trustee Rogers: current status is it's,

[3:04:43] Trustee Rogers: and I use this term advisedly, it's Crown land.

[3:04:46] Voice 30: It's a Crown parcel zoned F1.

[3:04:50] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[3:04:50] Trustee Rogers: i i i i knew it was had some sort of public yeah it's a forest one

[3:04:56] Voice 30: lot owned by the crown

[3:04:58] Voice 30: thanks

[3:04:59] Trustee Rogers: um any other questions yes miss oakwood um

[3:05:04] Voice 21: i would like to address um trustee wolverton's

[3:05:07] Voice 21: um questioning about the size of those uh huts that uh we're proposing be a little bit bigger

[3:05:15] Voice 21: um what we found over the years is that um when you are doing that type of training and study

[3:05:22] Voice 21: you tend to just stay indoors for such a large part of the work as you go deeper after a month

[3:05:30] Voice 21: or two or three and what we found is that the this the the trial huts that we made the 160 square

[3:05:37] Voice 21: feet we're just so confining because your whole world is in there so um although people will be

[3:05:46] Voice 21: going to get their food or food will be dropped off at their door um that just having a few that

[3:05:53] Voice 21: are 240 square feet is is

[3:05:56] Voice 11: 225

[3:05:57] Voice 21: 225 is not a large space for when you are confined and doing that

[3:06:04] Voice 21: type of work okay thank you oh

[3:06:06] Voice 3: and i'll also just add on top of that that the um the 12 by 12 150

[3:06:11] Voice 3: square foot tent platform is is a standard size to be able to pitch a tent properly and that's where

[3:06:20] Voice 3: that number came i i did a bit of research and that's where that number came from okay thank you

[3:06:25] Voice 3: um

[3:06:26] Voice 17: i forgot that i had a question for the applicants i was just curious um with the

[3:06:31] Voice 17: upper ridge portion how is there much travel between the lower ridge and the upper ridge or

[3:06:36] Voice 17: is it oh because they're quite uh they'll be on okay i see keith saying no so it's i was just

[3:06:42] Voice 17: worried because you'd have to go all the way around and then up anyways but it seems like

[3:06:47] Voice 17: that's not a non-issue right

[3:06:50] Voice 3: it would

[3:06:51] Voice 30: say from a trail person sorry go ahead i

[3:06:53] Voice 3: was gonna say

[3:06:54] Voice 3: there's no uh um practical safe access between the two areas uh it's it's a steep cliff and and

[3:07:03] Voice 3: southwest slope and um in order to move between the two areas you would have to um use you know

[3:07:11] Voice 3: the public roads so the two areas are in the proposal are designed to be self-sufficient

[3:07:17] Voice 3: they don't need they don't rely on each other right

[3:07:20] Voice 12: other questions for the applicant yeah

[3:07:30] Voice 12: unless

[3:07:31] Voice 20: you had that trail that brett finley talks about which i don't know so a person could go

[3:07:39] Voice 20: through um uh the other lot and circle back um through lot 87 and come up to the top if that's

[3:07:49] Voice 20: possible i

[3:07:51] Voice 3: think uh i i a lot of clarification needs to happen here but my understanding is that

[3:07:58] Voice 3: the trail that um mr finley might be alluding to um would go from cook road across his property

[3:08:05] Voice 3: across neighboring lot b and then across lot a to dl87 all always on the um above that main

[3:08:15] Voice 3: main ridge system so there's never any traversing between the two although I you know I think by the

[3:08:21] Voice 3: time that Ridge hits um lot C Brett Finley's it might be uh flattening out a little bit but again

[3:08:27] Voice 3: I haven't done a detailed reconnaissance of those properties um

[3:08:36] Voice 11: could I could I just say one one

[3:08:39] Voice 11: thing has there has anybody have you heard of anybody um in the neighborhood or folks that

[3:08:46] Voice 11: that are proposing this,

[3:08:48] Voice 11: talking to the Islands Trust Conservancy about trails,

[3:08:51] Voice 11: because, you know, as I said,

[3:08:54] Voice 11: we will not have control over that area.

[3:08:59] Voice 11: And it keeps being addressed to us.

[3:09:02] Voice 11: And it's kind of the same picture.

[3:09:04] Voice 11: You know, our 15 acres are one particular portion,

[3:09:08] Voice 11: but there's 45 other acres for trails.

[3:09:12] Voice 11: And I'm not sure that I,

[3:09:15] Voice 11: and we've said that several times i'm not sure i've heard anybody um talk to the islands trust

[3:09:21] Voice 11: conservancy about what all that is about uh

[3:09:27] Trustee Rogers: i can talk to our brad you go why don't you go first

[3:09:30] Trustee Rogers: um

[3:09:31] Voice 30: so i would say just backing up with respect to this application and uh uh trails um so there

[3:09:38] Voice 30: has been from some feedback from mr finley uh he's also part of the trail society if ltc decides

[3:09:45] Voice 30: to move forward today uh it would be the uh the bylaws would be referred to the trail society and

[3:09:52] Voice 30: so you might see uh we're probably early on in terms of uh considering trail access and movement

[3:09:59] Voice 30: on the property given where we're at with uh still just trying to configure where the property lines

[3:10:05] Voice 30: lines are. I think the main point of the community in that finger that sticks out is that in a sense

[3:10:15] Voice 30: with that finger of private property, you essentially create a kind of a trespassing

[3:10:21] Voice 30: zone for anyone to pass across the ridge at that point, versus if that finger of land didn't jut

[3:10:31] Voice 30: out there you could conceivably have a public access trail uh that runs along adjacent to your

[3:10:38] Voice 30: uh property boundary on the front side of the ridge i question i i would have so and their

[3:10:44] Voice 30: point was around uh ridge access and the the particular uh significance of that particular

[3:10:50] Voice 30: ridge point and i don't know if that's necessarily true that that's the only uh accessible uh ridge

[3:10:57] Voice 30: uh with a great view on in that area um the the ridges at the edge end of davina are pretty

[3:11:03] Voice 30: spectacular um as well but um bodega ridge um but uh that's besides the point uh one question i

[3:11:13] Voice 30: would have is could uh if it's in turn if if the bigger question is getting from across the lots

[3:11:19] Voice 30: across the uh lot b and lot a could they go in the uh would there be a trail like in the upper

[3:11:25] Voice 30: section where itc retains up in behind the hooked parcel and that maybe is a question keith might

[3:11:32] Voice 30: understand the upper corner of their uh current lot a and whether you could have a trail that

[3:11:40] Voice 30: traverses through there avoiding because that would be conservancy land and it would avoid

[3:11:45] Voice 30: your property and still uh meet that and the primary intent of creating access across to

[3:11:52] Voice 30: uh yeah dl87

[3:11:54] Voice 3: there's absolutely uh there's some old roads that um traverse uh between lot b and

[3:12:03] Voice 3: lot 80 and dl87 um in that upper triangle um portion and a trail through there would uh have

[3:12:13] Voice 3: less impact on uh on the uh you know the red list endangered um arbutus those for arbutus ecosystem

[3:12:21] Voice 3: system uh that's still in mature forest status it's all logged back there so it'd be not as

[3:12:27] Voice 3: pretty of a trail but in terms of impact to the ecology it would be a better choice and there's

[3:12:34] Voice 3: existing roadways that could facilitate that quite easily if a connect if if what was really desired

[3:12:41] Voice 3: there was a connection between uh lot b and dl87 that would be a good good choice it also would not

[3:12:49] Voice 3: not impact the Crystal Mountain participants as well,

[3:12:55] Voice 3: because there's yet another ridge separating

[3:12:59] Voice 3: that upper triangle from the proposed

[3:13:03] Voice 3: development area there.

[3:13:05] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I think the point that Ms. McFarland was making,

[3:13:09] Trustee Rogers: and I think it's a good one is we do not know

[3:13:11] Trustee Rogers: what the Conservancy position is going to be

[3:13:13] Trustee Rogers: in terms of active recreation

[3:13:16] Trustee Rogers: of recreation in their properties.

[3:13:21] Trustee Rogers: I know they have some properties

[3:13:23] Trustee Rogers: that they do not encourage trails and walking in

[3:13:26] Trustee Rogers: and they have some which they're fine with.

[3:13:28] Trustee Rogers: And it will be, and they'll make their, you know,

[3:13:30] Trustee Rogers: if they get this property,

[3:13:31] Trustee Rogers: they'll make their own decision as to what they will,

[3:13:35] Trustee Rogers: what they will be allowable and what won't.

[3:13:39] Trustee Rogers: There's obviously some no-go zones here

[3:13:41] Trustee Rogers: because they're like this,

[3:13:43] Trustee Rogers: but um but then there's some other areas that uh could be and i think at least to me um as i

[3:13:51] Trustee Rogers: understand it cms has said we're still prepared to talk about something like this in times that

[3:13:58] Trustee Rogers: don't disrupt your that would not disrupt your uh attendees um but and so that sounds like it's a

[3:14:05] Trustee Rogers: further discussion and i think the planner is correct that this will be referred out to the

[3:14:11] Trustee Rogers: the trail society and we'll get their input

[3:14:14] Trustee Rogers: and they're the sort of the trail experts on the island.

[3:14:17] Trustee Rogers: We've heard from two of them.

[3:14:19] Trustee Rogers: We heard Mr. Kiefer and then we also heard

[3:14:22] Trustee Rogers: from the gentleman whose name now completely escapes him

[3:14:25] Trustee Rogers: who wrote to us.

[3:14:26] Trustee Rogers: So there are some people that are watching this

[3:14:29] Trustee Rogers: and would have some great ideas about it.

[3:14:31] Trustee Rogers: So I'm going to ask,

[3:14:32] Trustee Rogers: are there any more questions for the applicant

[3:14:34] Trustee Rogers: before I ask the applicant to sort of step aside

[3:14:36] Trustee Rogers: so that we can talk about what we want to do?

[3:14:39] Trustee Rogers: Any other questions from either of the trustees?

[3:14:46] Trustee Rogers: Okay, well, I'm going to thank you for coming

[3:14:48] Trustee Rogers: and taking the time to be with us.

[3:14:50] Trustee Rogers: And we'll now go back into the staff report

[3:14:54] Trustee Rogers: and talk amongst their others.

[3:14:55] Trustee Rogers: So Maple, if you could move Keith and Janice

[3:14:58] Trustee Rogers: and Elizabeth over, that would be great.

[3:15:00] Trustee Rogers: And then we'll talk about how you want to go forward.

[3:15:06] Trustee Rogers: So trustees, we've heard quite a bit today

[3:15:10] Trustee Rogers: about Crystal Mountain.

[3:15:13] Trustee Rogers: I wonder, you've got a staff report that recommends a few things.

[3:15:17] Trustee Rogers: You've heard from a number of members of the public as well as the applicant.

[3:15:21] Trustee Rogers: It sounds like the applicant supports the basics of this staff report, says they're ready to move forward with community engagement.

[3:15:30] Trustee Rogers: And I see I am, and I wonder where you guys are at.

[3:15:33] Trustee Rogers: There's a number of options also laid out in the staff report.

[3:15:39] Trustee Rogers: and i don't want to to judge either where either of you are at before i start to make any comments

[3:15:47] Trustee Rogers: i'm going to turn to you two first to trustee rockefeller um

[3:15:52] Voice 17: yeah i've kind of put together

[3:15:54] Voice 17: oh is there echoey anyways i've kind of put together a few um thoughts that might turn

[3:16:02] Voice 17: into motions so one of them was uh in the bylaw um portion the land use bylaw portion if we could

[3:16:10] Voice 17: include maximum sleeping hut square footage and maximum tent platform platform square footage and

[3:16:18] Voice 17: maximum lot coverage because that's uh common with other um bylaws like the galliano in bylaw

[3:16:26] Trustee Rogers: are you are you talking about are you going to propose specifics or you just want to no

[3:16:32] Trustee Rogers: You

[3:16:32] Voice 17: just want to make

[3:16:33] Trustee Rogers: a motion to include those topics in the bylaw.

[3:16:36] Voice 17: Yeah, I just wanted to include those topics in the bylaw.

[3:16:40] Voice 17: I

[3:16:42] Voice 30: think it's good you could pass that motion, and they're all appropriate requests, and they're all pretty technical in nature, but they help to make the bylaw more clear.

[3:16:55] Voice 17: Okay, so I'll move that.

[3:16:59] Voice 17: that uh the we include

[3:17:07] Voice 30: you direct staff to make amendments to the draft bylaw to include

[3:17:13] Voice 30: yeah

[3:17:15] Trustee Rogers: so so yeah just simply move that the ltc direct staff to amend whichever bylaw is the

[3:17:21] Trustee Rogers: second one it's 257 i think

[3:17:23] Voice 17: yeah it's 257 yeah to

[3:17:25] Trustee Rogers: include um maximum hop size maximum tent platform

[3:17:31] Trustee Rogers: form size and maximum lot coverage or do you want the lot coverage in a percentage or in a

[3:17:38] Trustee Rogers: in an absolute number it

[3:17:40] Voice 17: seems to be percentage is commonly used but it is

[3:17:44] Voice 30: that's just something i

[3:17:46] Voice 30: inadvertent or it wasn't in the previous bylaw and i didn't really uh note that uh it was not

[3:17:51] Voice 30: there but a typical lot coverage would be like 20 or uh they're they're huge typically no i'm

[3:17:58] Voice 17: if i was going with like the 1.62 that they're proposing i

[3:18:02] Voice 30: see what you're saying right a very

[3:18:04] Voice 30: specific lot coverage that

[3:18:06] Voice 17: yeah yeah that's what i was saying yeah

[3:18:09] Voice 30: uh maybe uh rpm kojima on

[3:18:14] Voice 30: maybe he could weigh in on that uh whether you would i've

[3:18:20] Trustee Rogers: seen a lot of coverage that are

[3:18:22] Trustee Rogers: expressed in square feet total for example barnabas camp on keats has a maximum build

[3:18:27] Trustee Rogers: I don't want to tell you what the number is.

[3:18:31] Voice 6: Yeah, I just wouldn't be called lot coverage.

[3:18:33] Voice 30: It

[3:18:33] Voice 6: would just be total maximum floor area in that case.

[3:18:36] Voice 30: It wouldn't be

[3:18:36] Voice 30: floor area though, right?

[3:18:38] Voice 30: It would be.

[3:18:39] Voice 6: Coverage area.

[3:18:40] Voice 30: Yeah.

[3:18:40] Voice 30: Thank you.

[3:18:41] Voice 30: Okay.

[3:18:42] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[3:18:43] Trustee Rogers: I see trustee Wolverton with her hand up.

[3:18:45] Voice 20: Yeah, it looks like that has been included.

[3:18:49] Voice 20: If you look on page 42 and 43.

[3:18:52] Voice 20: three um it looks like those uh sizes were included the

[3:19:01] Voice 30: the sizes were um in the uh in

[3:19:04] Voice 30: the bylaws but not in the definitions and so

[3:19:07] Voice 30: uh in the future anyone else using the definition

[3:19:12] Voice 30: of tent platform example would be uh limited to to that okay

[3:19:17] Voice 14: so

[3:19:22] Trustee Rogers: um so let's um just resolve that

[3:19:27] Trustee Rogers: that last issue so trustee rockefeller what are you intending are you intending to have sort of a

[3:19:31] Trustee Rogers: like a maximum build out of of of whatever it is in meters is that what you're looking at or

[3:19:40] Trustee Rogers: are you looking for a percentage um

[3:19:42] Voice 17: whatever is more preferable for uh planning purposes

[3:19:49] Voice 30: we can figure that out yeah

[3:19:52] Trustee Rogers: i mean i mean in this case you're right uh planner smith's right

[3:19:56] Trustee Rogers: Usually it's like 20%, which would be 10 times the size of what is being proposed.

[3:20:03] Voice 17: The Galliano Inn, though, actually, they use the exact percentage of their buildings.

[3:20:09] Voice 17: And so I was just thinking, well, if we're working on an application for a specific,

[3:20:15] Voice 17: tailoring it to a specific applicant, then we could do that.

[3:20:18] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[3:20:19] Trustee Rogers: Which I think in this report is, and it's not locked in stone, if we do something like

[3:20:24] Trustee Rogers: this was like, what?

[3:20:26] Trustee Rogers: 2.14 or something 2

[3:20:29] Voice 20: .4 percent

[3:20:29] Trustee Rogers: 2.4 percent yeah so carly can

[3:20:36] Voice 18: we go back to

[3:20:37] Trustee Rogers: the see how far you

[3:20:38] Trustee Rogers: got along with the motion please sure

[3:20:42] Voice 18: i've got the galliana local trust committee direct staff

[3:20:45] Voice 18: to amend draft bylaw 257 to include maximum hut size maximum tent platform size and maximum

[3:20:51] Voice 18: I

[3:20:54] Trustee Rogers: mean, we could do that and not tell you what to put in there, but I think what you're getting is the intention is that this would be the maximum.

[3:21:05] Voice 30: You could say maximum lot coverage area would be a friendly amendment, Chair Rodgers.

[3:21:10] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[3:21:11] Trustee Rogers: So are you content with that, Trustee Rockefeller, the way it is?

[3:21:15] Voice 17: I guess we could say like reflecting the proposal, like the lot square footage, if that helps be more specific.

[3:21:27] Trustee Rogers: okay okay so maybe we add the words that reflect uh that reflects the the uh the application

[3:21:35] Trustee Rogers: proposal table

[3:21:38] Voice 20: one and table two yeah

[3:21:40] Trustee Rogers: so are you good with that carly yeah

[3:21:46] Voice 18: got it thank you okay

[3:21:47] Trustee Rogers: so that's your motion trustee rockefeller which is basically to ask staff to include

[3:21:53] Trustee Rogers: in the draft bylaws sort of maximums for the lots,

[3:21:58] Trustee Rogers: the 10th floor, the huts and the total coverage.

[3:22:02] Trustee Rogers: Is there a seconder for that?

[3:22:04] Trustee Rogers: Seconded by Trustee Wilberton.

[3:22:06] Trustee Rogers: Do you want to say anything further about that,

[3:22:08] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Arckel?

[3:22:10] Voice 17: Nope, nope.

[3:22:11] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Wilberton?

[3:22:14] No.

[3:22:14] Trustee Rogers: Okay, then I'll call and I'll just show anybody watching

[3:22:20] Trustee Rogers: just so you know, we haven't made any decisions

[3:22:23] Trustee Rogers: but anything else, we're just trying to pick up a few things

[3:22:27] Trustee Rogers: as we go along here.

[3:22:29] Trustee Rogers: So yeah, trusty Rockville.

[3:22:30] Voice 17: Yeah, I guess that's a good point, Chair Rogers.

[3:22:33] Voice 17: I'm not trying to move forward the application,

[3:22:34] Voice 17: I'm trying to make it more clear

[3:22:37] Voice 17: for when we have a community information meeting

[3:22:39] Voice 17: the specifics.

[3:22:41] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, so that's fine.

[3:22:43] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I'm gonna call the vote then, all in favor?

[3:22:48] Trustee Rogers: So that passes.

[3:22:49] Trustee Rogers: Oh, are there other things you want to do,

[3:22:52] Trustee Rogers: including the things that are contained in the staff report or other things yeah trustee rockfall

[3:22:58] Voice 17: um i would make a motion that um ltc requests that we implement the biologist ecological

[3:23:05] Voice 17: assessment recommendations in a section 219 covenant okay

[3:23:11] Trustee Rogers: let's just see if we can get

[3:23:13] Trustee Rogers: harley to see how she did um

[3:23:18] Voice 18: you said that the galliano island local trust committee requests

[3:23:22] Voice 18: request that LTC implement the biologist's ecological recommendations in a section 219

[3:23:29] Voice 18: covenant? Yeah, that the applicant implements. That's the applicant.

[3:23:34] Voice 17: Okay, thanks. And somebody

[3:23:35] Voice 17: can clean that up if they want.

[3:23:37] Voice 20: That we require that.

[3:23:52] Trustee Rogers: So the intent is that you want to include

[3:23:56] Trustee Rogers: the biologist's recommendations in a section 219 covenant as part of this process.

[3:24:03] Trustee Rogers: that i think that covers it does that give you enough direction there planner smith yes thank

[3:24:09] Voice 30: you because

[3:24:10] Trustee Rogers: it was actually in your report as a potential yeah so

[3:24:13] Trustee Rogers: that's been moved and second

[3:24:14] Trustee Rogers: is waiting for their discussion and

[3:24:17] Voice 30: and that that work presumably wouldn't happen uh uh until

[3:24:23] Voice 30: quite a bit farther down the line when we're actually getting to uh a much closer end point

[3:24:30] Voice 30: and LTC was moving towards approval

[3:24:32] Voice 30: and there could also be other covenant conditions

[3:24:35] Voice 30: of considered like a water management plan,

[3:24:38] Voice 30: recommendations, et cetera.

[3:24:40] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:24:41] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, so yeah, that's right.

[3:24:44] Trustee Rogers: Because a 219 could cover off a whole bunch of other things

[3:24:46] Trustee Rogers: that we might land upon later on.

[3:24:49] Trustee Rogers: But now we've

[3:24:50] Trustee Rogers: identified those conditions

[3:24:52] Trustee Rogers: as wanting to be there.

[3:24:53] Trustee Rogers: Yes, Trustee Rockfall.

[3:24:55] Voice 17: It was a question for after we'll call the vote.

[3:24:57] Voice 17: Okay,

[3:24:57] Trustee Rogers: so let's call the vote.

[3:24:58] Trustee Rogers: vote all in favor of that motion and that passes unanimously thank you Carly what was next oh I

[3:25:05] Voice 17: just had a um I was thinking about the um asking the water specialist Kohut to update the table to

[3:25:15] Voice 17: reflect the current density um the planner mentioned that and that could be a possibility

[3:25:20] Voice 17: and I was wondering uh I was just wondering if the because we did talk about the original density

[3:25:27] Voice 17: when chair rogers asked and it seemed somewhat similar so i was wondering if the cohort report

[3:25:33] Voice 17: was initially um on the same amount of density as requested now it's

[3:25:38] Voice 30: more or less it's even

[3:25:39] Voice 30: maybe higher density it was based on 30 huts i think and uh um uh and it might be worthwhile to

[3:25:49] Voice 30: to speak with Keith around.

[3:25:52] Voice 30: I do know we have been talking,

[3:25:54] Voice 30: we did receive an overview of the water management plan

[3:25:58] Voice 30: and I provided some feedback back to Keith

[3:26:02] Voice 30: with respect to working on that with their consultant

[3:26:04] Voice 30: to make it more comprehensive and read more like a plan

[3:26:11] Voice 30: that will come back to LTC of course, in the future.

[3:26:15] Voice 30: and also uh i've directed them to uh seek a water license and so

[3:26:21] Voice 30: the the crystal mountain is working with the province so uh just like uh with the heritage

[3:26:27] Voice 30: forest uh that water license uh feedback might be helpful for ltc as well all

[3:26:35] Voice 17: right thank you

[3:26:35] Voice 17: that's that's all for my questions right now thank you

[3:26:38] Trustee Rogers: well do you have anything before i

[3:26:41] Trustee Rogers: I have a few things to ask the trustees, but over to you.

[3:26:45] Trustee Rogers: So, okay.

[3:26:46] Trustee Rogers: So really where I said this in our,

[3:26:51] Trustee Rogers: you weren't there trustee Wilmington,

[3:26:53] Trustee Rogers: but I've said this before is we have,

[3:26:56] Trustee Rogers: this is an application.

[3:26:58] Trustee Rogers: It's not our project.

[3:26:59] Trustee Rogers: This is theirs.

[3:27:01] Trustee Rogers: And we can at any time say, no, not interested.

[3:27:05] Trustee Rogers: Not gonna, we can say,

[3:27:07] Trustee Rogers: we're not gonna proceed any further, right?

[3:27:09] Trustee Rogers: I mean, that's one of the options is in the staff report.

[3:27:12] Trustee Rogers: Or we can say we want a whole bunch more information before we go any further. So I sort of characterize it as, have we reached a stopping place? And one of the fundamental questions that gets put to us a fair amount is, are the trustees and is the local trust committee prepared to move forward an application to create this type of development on an F1 lot?

[3:27:38] Trustee Rogers: lot um which means changing the scope of the ocp because there is no such thing as a spiritual

[3:27:45] Trustee Rogers: education center in the ocp um uh and allowing a kind of use on this piece of land which is what

[3:27:52] Trustee Rogers: we do is land use um at this location going forward and of course probably would the answer

[3:28:01] Trustee Rogers: be no in the absence of a dedication of 75 percent of property to the conservancy or something like

[3:28:07] Trustee Rogers: that but if you're ready to to keep moving with this application as opposed to saying we're going

[3:28:15] Trustee Rogers: to stop right now uh there's a number of proposals from the planner to to start some of what i always

[3:28:24] Trustee Rogers: call our community consultation um we often hear on applications that the consult the applicant

[3:28:33] Trustee Rogers: applicant thinks they've consulted widely and the and some of the community think they haven't

[3:28:37] Trustee Rogers: consulted nearly widely enough and we've heard a little bit of this on that we know there was a lot

[3:28:42] Trustee Rogers: of neighborhood neighbors meetings etc although that's a few years ago um uh and there have been

[3:28:49] Trustee Rogers: other outreaches etc um but now it's time if we're going to move forward it's time what this

[3:28:56] Trustee Rogers: planner is suggesting is it's time for our our community consultation in the sense that it's

[3:29:02] Trustee Rogers: time for us to take the project out to the community and see what they think and make

[3:29:07] Trustee Rogers: sure they're fully informed about it so and whether there's other stuff so that's i just

[3:29:13] Trustee Rogers: want to make sure you're ready to do that because it is you know at certain points you can say

[3:29:19] Trustee Rogers: not either not ready you can say never ready or you can say no i'm ready to take another step

[3:29:25] Trustee Rogers: because i think there's enough in it for the community and the ecosystem the environment and

[3:29:29] Trustee Rogers: the anyway so that's just a question i'm asking you um and if so i think the planner has laid out

[3:29:35] Trustee Rogers: some good steps forward subject to i know there was some conversation about what kind of what apc

[3:29:42] Trustee Rogers: you want to send this to so i'm going to turn that over to you two and see where you guys are at

[3:29:51] Voice 20: well it's a it is a complex issue it's been going on for a long time um there are such divergent

[3:29:59] Voice 20: and views.

[3:30:00] Voice 20: on it uh from you know uh people on the island neighbors and and others um i i'm comfortable

[3:30:09] Voice 20: with going ahead with a community information meeting and kind of getting it all out there

[3:30:16] Voice 20: and letting people um evaluate as much as possible the information that's accurate because i think

[3:30:27] Voice 20: there's a lot of information that's gone back and forth that's some of it is accurate some of it

[3:30:32] Voice 20: isn't and i would like it to be out there and then and then we have a chance to make our final

[3:30:40] Voice 20: decision i mean let's you know have a look at all of those things especially and some of the things

[3:30:46] Voice 20: that were have been raised today you know that um it would be i think it would be helpful to address

[3:30:54] Voice 20: all of those things

[3:30:55] Trustee Rogers: trustee rockefeller yeah

[3:30:58] Voice 17: i mean there was a few stopping points for me but um

[3:31:01] Voice 17: i feel like today we kind of worked on enough of them that possibly we could move forward to get

[3:31:08] Voice 17: that community um engagement and part of i guess was the we've heard a lot of comments about

[3:31:14] Voice 17: commercial activity and it's included in the bylaw two three whatever that uh it's restricted

[3:31:22] Voice 17: to spiritual retreat and does not permit any commercial tourism oriented use or nature related

[3:31:28] Voice 17: tourism or visitor accommodation so I feel like that part of it is uh satisfied me there the other

[3:31:35] Voice 17: part I was very concerned about was the hooked portion and since I've seen the since I've seen

[3:31:41] Voice 17: it at the very beginning when I started like three years ago I was always like well that's crazy

[3:31:45] Voice 17: having that hooked portion but at the same time if that's a part of it is if that's a make it or

[3:31:53] Voice 17: break it for the applicants then the community will be receiving 18 hectares of mature forest

[3:32:00] Voice 17: and riparian areas and that I think is a very that's a real benefit to the community right there

[3:32:05] Voice 17: and if these applicants had to stop the procedure and decided to sell we now have a residential lot

[3:32:13] Voice 17: with 10 acres so potentially two houses and two cottages and all the outbuildings

[3:32:17] Voice 17: and you could rezone the forest lot for 75 25 and get two dwellings and two cottages and four

[3:32:24] Voice 17: septic fields and four wells and so uh you know in a way little residential lots are death by a

[3:32:31] Voice 17: thousand cuts for the forest whereas this is more of a comprehensive plan that we can really

[3:32:36] Voice 17: look at as a community so there i also there's no more outhouses for this this uh proponent so

[3:32:46] Voice 17: that's if that helps the community know that that's not happening this summer um and that we

[3:32:52] Voice 17: are waiting on the water management plan and there'll be further evaluation by our freshwater

[3:32:58] Voice 17: specialist so i feel like the stopping points for me have kind of moved forward to begin talking

[3:33:03] Voice 17: with the community more.

[3:33:05] Voice 17: So thank you for asking Chair Rogers.

[3:33:08] Trustee Rogers: No, I think it's an important conversation to have

[3:33:10] Trustee Rogers: and it's particularly important for the two of you

[3:33:13] Trustee Rogers: because I wonder about this.

[3:33:20] Trustee Rogers: I see the issues in the OCP and how this maybe doesn't fit.

[3:33:27] Trustee Rogers: And it's a potential new development in an area

[3:33:34] Trustee Rogers: that, you know, that's it, that that's the more of the knowledge from the island is more important

[3:33:40] Trustee Rogers: than the mine. I mean, I have a tendency to bring to these things, the point of view of this is an

[3:33:46] Trustee Rogers: outstanding problem, how do we get it solved? And so I'm always looking for solutions. However,

[3:33:52] Trustee Rogers: there are times when you just say, no, you know, there isn't anything. So I'm glad to hear your

[3:33:56] Trustee Rogers: points of view. I think it's great. And I'd be welcome some motions based on the staff report.

[3:34:02] Trustee Rogers: I'm hearing you saying you're ready to move forward with some of these items.

[3:34:07] Voice 20: Chair Rogers, Planner Smith has his hand up.

[3:34:09] Trustee Rogers: Oh, I'm sorry.

[3:34:10] Voice 30: Sorry. Can I just make one point, Chair Rogers, as well, just to more comment on the risk of commercial development and just the point that the Crystal Mountain Society is a registered society and charity in the province of BC, and they have been since 1976.

[3:34:24] Voice 30: So, as a registered charity they would no ability to do any for profit activity. And of course, the land zone land use zoning goes with the property not the user that's understood but in this case the user truly does have a not for profit background

[3:34:44] Voice 30: ground and track record and um i would also add yeah well i'll just to make that uh uh clear that

[3:34:52] Voice 30: um yeah that's the and and and sorry my other point i was going to make was um there was some

[3:34:59] Voice 30: question around whether uh a bylaw could specifically uh identify a non-for-profit

[3:35:05] Voice 30: organization uh as only being or the zoning only being allowed for non-profit use and

[3:35:13] Voice 30: there has been legal opinion in the past that said that's not a valid approach with respect to

[3:35:20] Voice 30: land use zoning in particular and so the efforts by staff and there were a lot of changes to the

[3:35:28] Voice 30: bylaws from what they looked like before particular to 257 and a lot of that effort was

[3:35:34] Voice 30: tried to create even more security for the community that it's very specific to spiritual

[3:35:40] Voice 30: education that there's no commercial activities and yeah so that was what staff was trying to do

[3:35:48] Voice 30: in in crafting those bylaws thank you okay

[3:35:55] Trustee Rogers: thank you uh planner smith could i if someone wants to

[3:35:59] Trustee Rogers: make uh some one or all the motions that are laid up recommended by the staff i'm welcome to receive

[3:36:04] Trustee Rogers: i'm happy to receive those yeah go ahead trustee rock or trustee wolverton whoever has their hand

[3:36:12] Trustee Rogers: up first i'll

[3:36:14] Voice 20: make the first one that the uh i move that the galliano island local trust committee

[3:36:19] Voice 20: received draft bylaws 256 and 257 for information and for use in public engagement on application

[3:36:25] Voice 20: gl rz 2014.1 crystal mountain is

[3:36:32] Trustee Rogers: there a seconder of that okay uh any further discussion or comment

[3:36:37] Trustee Rogers: related to that okay this is just us receiving it for information it's not any kind of a reading

[3:36:44] Trustee Rogers: that we're doing.

[3:36:46] Trustee Rogers: So I'll call the vote on that.

[3:36:47] Trustee Rogers: All in favor, so that passes.

[3:36:49] Trustee Rogers: Number two.

[3:36:53] Voice 17: I would move that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[3:36:56] Voice 17: direct staff to schedule a community information meeting

[3:36:58] Voice 17: electronically on application GLRZ 2014.1 Crystal Mountain.

[3:37:06] Trustee Rogers: Seconded, any further discussion related to that?

[3:37:09] Voice 17: I do think that the community engagement

[3:37:12] Voice 17: is being long asked for and I think that this will give

[3:37:15] Voice 17: of the community as a whole to have that discussion yeah

[3:37:18] Trustee Rogers: and i'll just say i think it's better to leave

[3:37:20] Trustee Rogers: it without a specific date or any vague because i know there's some reports that are outstanding

[3:37:26] Trustee Rogers: and that leaves brad in a better position planter smith in a better position of determining when

[3:37:31] Trustee Rogers: it's best to when they're when we're ready to do it um and i know uh we you know there's been

[3:37:38] Trustee Rogers: some comment that you get six months of silence and then there's this and then we'll and there

[3:37:43] Trustee Rogers: There might be a couple more months of silence before we're ready to announce it and such.

[3:37:48] Trustee Rogers: So it just takes time to make sure we have all the right information.

[3:37:52] Trustee Rogers: Yes, Planner Smith.

[3:37:56] Voice 30: My initial thought on timing of a CIM would be potentially perhaps the second week of June, early in the second week of June, after the June meeting and prior to the July 5th meeting, when perhaps this application might be brought back to LTC again.

[3:38:12] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thanks.

[3:38:13] Trustee Rogers: anyway i'll yeah trustee wolver uh

[3:38:17] Voice 20: yes i i i kind of lean toward um having this when we can

[3:38:25] Voice 20: have it in person i mean i you know i think there's a you know it's kind of difficult to

[3:38:33] Voice 20: deal with complex maps and and site plans and so on uh in a in an electronic environment so

[3:38:41] Voice 20: So I don't know what the two of you think,

[3:38:45] Voice 20: but I kind of lean toward an in-person,

[3:38:48] Voice 20: but we're a ways away from there.

[3:38:51] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, well, that's the difficulty.

[3:38:53] Trustee Rogers: We don't know when that's going to be.

[3:38:55] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[3:38:56] Trustee Rogers: I mean, I would much rather be there in all circumstances.

[3:39:03] Trustee Rogers: We're going to get to a DVP in a moment when we're finished this,

[3:39:08] Trustee Rogers: and I haven't seen the property.

[3:39:09] Trustee Rogers: It's really hard for me to make a decision

[3:39:11] Trustee Rogers: when I haven't seen the property.

[3:39:13] Trustee Rogers: And I haven't seen the people in the community, and you're right, the maps up on the wall are better.

[3:39:19] Trustee Rogers: I'm quite content to say that if we think we can do it in person, then we'll do it in person.

[3:39:24] Trustee Rogers: But if we have to wait till next April, right?

[3:39:33] Voice 20: I don't know what you think, Trustee Rockefeller.

[3:39:38] Voice 17: Yeah, I think that we shouldn't be putting applications on hold until we can meet in person.

[3:39:43] Voice 17: So I think we'll have to see how it goes as we go along.

[3:39:46] Voice 17: okay

[3:39:47] Trustee Rogers: so you've heard us planner smith for some reason it can go in person to like everything

[3:39:52] Trustee Rogers: clean you know clears up in the next three months and we can delay it a month and hold

[3:39:56] Trustee Rogers: an in-person meeting in the summer which would be ideal um then let's do that but if we can't we

[3:40:02] Trustee Rogers: can't yes no

[3:40:05] Voice 30: reason you couldn't have another cim in person as you further advanced the application

[3:40:10] Voice 30: if and when we get to in-person meetings again which could be a year away or who knows

[3:40:16] Voice 30: there

[3:40:17] Trustee Rogers: will undoubtedly be another cim because you will have one before if if if it keeps going

[3:40:24] Trustee Rogers: because you will undoubtedly have one before the public hearing so yes

[3:40:28] Voice 30: whether that's in

[3:40:29] Voice 30: conjunction with the public hearing or or or separate is up to ltc of course yeah wow okay

[3:40:35] Trustee Rogers: i'm going to call a vote on this all in favor thanks that passes unanimously um and then there's

[3:40:42] Trustee Rogers: is the last one, which talks about the APC.

[3:40:45] Trustee Rogers: And I didn't know Trustee Wolven,

[3:40:47] Trustee Rogers: you seem to pick up on that one suggestion we got

[3:40:51] Trustee Rogers: that there'd be a special APC, that means creating one.

[3:40:55] Trustee Rogers: I think our current ACPC is pretty talented,

[3:40:58] Trustee Rogers: but I look forward to hearing what you have to say.

[3:41:03] Voice 20: Do you want me to make the motion first or?

[3:41:06] Voice 20: Okay,

[3:41:07] Trustee Rogers: so that's-

[3:41:07] Trustee Rogers: Well, I guess if you're going to change it,

[3:41:10] Trustee Rogers: you should say so.

[3:41:10] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:41:13] Voice 20: I'm fine with referring it to the the APC. My comment came out of a discussion that I did

[3:41:22] Voice 20: have with some people about the idea of having a special APC with an especially environmental,

[3:41:30] Voice 20: environmental ecological um um skill you know they they to be very uh i just can't even think

[3:41:40] Voice 20: of the word to be very knowledgeable about climate the climate crisis and so on so that

[3:41:46] Voice 20: when we are looking at applications that need that sort of lens that there would be

[3:41:53] Voice 20: a body that could uh provide us with information i'm finding i mean there's so much climate

[3:42:01] Voice 20: information that you know i'm i really want us to make sure that we are applying that lens to

[3:42:08] Voice 20: everything that we're doing the same with you know the same with when we look at reconciliation

[3:42:13] Voice 20: um but in particular right now the the climate so that's

[3:42:18] Trustee Rogers: so you're not but you're not talking

[3:42:19] Trustee Rogers: about a special APC for this application you're talking about

[3:42:23] Trustee Rogers: one in general I guess well then

[3:42:25] Trustee Rogers: that's fine go ahead and make your motion

[3:42:27] Voice 20: okay so what I was referring to was more of a standing APC

[3:42:31] Voice 20: that would would guide us all along so this motion is I'll make that the Galliano Island

[3:42:37] Voice 20: Local Trust Committee directs staff to refer application GLRZ2014.1 Crystal Mountain and

[3:42:45] Voice 20: and draft bylaws 256 and 257

[3:42:47] Voice 20: to the Galliano Island Advisory Planning Commission

[3:42:50] Voice 20: for comment.

[3:42:52] Trustee Rogers: Seconded.

[3:42:53] Trustee Rogers: Any further comments related to that?

[3:42:56] Trustee Rogers: I'll call for the vote then all in favor.

[3:42:59] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:43:00] Trustee Rogers: I'm sorry to say I have one more thing on this

[3:43:03] Trustee Rogers: unless and I shouldn't say I'm sorry

[3:43:05] Trustee Rogers: because you're welcome to have one more thing.

[3:43:07] Trustee Rogers: I have a question about bylaw draft bylaw 256

[3:43:13] Trustee Rogers: five six and in particular uh on page 38 um the definition of spiritual education objective

[3:43:27] Trustee Rogers: um where it says the objective of this section is to encourage spiritual education facilities

[3:43:37] Trustee Rogers: and and um i i know that's the language in the one above it the health and wellness one but it's

[3:43:46] Trustee Rogers: different in some of the other sections of part four of section four and i'm i'm just wondering

[3:43:51] Trustee Rogers: if the if um the language would be more it would be more comfortable for me if it actually says

[3:43:58] Trustee Rogers: the objective section is to allow for um spiritual education centers um you see where i'm talking

[3:44:07] Trustee Rogers: about trustee wolverton um i i don't see our role here to be encouraging this but rather to allow

[3:44:16] Trustee Rogers: for so i wonder if i could move that um uh draft bylaw two five

[3:44:25] Trustee Rogers: six be amended in section one

[3:44:35] Trustee Rogers: pardon

[3:44:36] Voice 20: subsection one uh

[3:44:38] Trustee Rogers: subsection one to remove the word quote encourage

[3:44:42] Trustee Rogers: end of quote uh to sorry replace the word and quote encourage with the words allow for

[3:44:51] Voice 20: i'll second that do

[3:44:55] Trustee Rogers: you have any concerns with that uh planer smith okay then i'm going to call

[3:45:02] Trustee Rogers: to vote on that as long as carly got that and she usually is ahead of me so did you get that carly

[3:45:07] Voice 18: yes thanks chair i got it okay

[3:45:09] Trustee Rogers: all in favor sorry did you have something to say trustee rockfall

[3:45:16] Trustee Rogers: i can't hear you i've

[3:45:20] Voice 17: i've never done the unmute thing and now i did it

[3:45:22] Voice 17: so i was just trying to uh grasp that so to encourage uh spiritual education as opposed

[3:45:31] Voice 17: opposed to just allow um yeah i just wanted to make sure it didn't remove the obligation to do

[3:45:39] Voice 17: spiritual education involved but no

[3:45:44] Trustee Rogers: what it does is this is our official community plan

[3:45:47] Trustee Rogers: yeah that's out our vision i'm not sure i don't know i just had i was glitching over the fact that

[3:45:54] Trustee Rogers: we were put it might be putting a provision in that said we encourage these things as opposed

[3:45:59] Trustee Rogers: as opposed to simply allowing for.

[3:46:00] Voice 17: Thank you, I appreciate that and I will support you.

[3:46:03] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so all in favor?

[3:46:05] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything else on CMS?

[3:46:07] Trustee Rogers: I have nothing further.

[3:46:10] Voice 20: No, but could

[3:46:11] Voice 20: we take a five minute break?

[3:46:13] Trustee Rogers: Yes, we can.

[3:46:14] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Rockefeller, did you have something else?

[3:46:17] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so thank you everyone.

[3:46:19] Trustee Rogers: We still have 37 attendees.

[3:46:21] Trustee Rogers: We're going to go do a bit more.

[3:46:22] Trustee Rogers: We have some more applications to deal with,

[3:46:24] Trustee Rogers: so we're going to carry on.

[3:46:25] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate all your comments

[3:46:27] Trustee Rogers: and we appreciate all the work that was put into today.

[3:46:31] Trustee Rogers: And we're going to take five minutes.

[3:46:33] Trustee Rogers: So we'll come back at 4.25 and we'll be on to 14.2,

[3:46:40] Trustee Rogers: which is the Falk matter.

[3:46:42] Trustee Rogers: We'll see how, I don't know if the Falks,

[3:46:45] Trustee Rogers: I thought I saw Jenna here, Jenna Falk.

[3:46:48] Trustee Rogers: I could be wrong.

[3:46:50] Trustee Rogers: Oh, she is still here.

[3:46:51] Trustee Rogers: So could you promote her over please, Michael?

[3:46:54] Trustee Rogers: and i'm hoping all of the staff are okay i know it's 4 20 we'll try and pick up the pace a little

[3:47:00] Trustee Rogers: bit um but if there's anybody that has to go please let me know thank you

[3:47:04] Voice 14: okay

[3:52:30] Voice 12: um if we're

[3:52:33] Trustee Rogers: all back is carly back yes

[3:52:36] Voice 18: thanks thanks

[3:52:37] Trustee Rogers: carly uh so we're at 14.2 it's uh so this is a and i saw

[3:52:43] Trustee Rogers: I saw Ms. Falk, if we haven't promoted her already,

[3:52:46] Trustee Rogers: has she been promoted?

[3:52:49] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, she is.

[3:52:50] Trustee Rogers: So Ms. Falk, when we get to you,

[3:52:51] Trustee Rogers: if we have any questions or your comments,

[3:52:53] Trustee Rogers: you can unmute and turn your camera on if you like.

[3:52:57] Trustee Rogers: So over to Planner Testimony,

[3:53:00] Trustee Rogers: thank you for being patient and waiting us to get this.

[3:53:04] Trustee Rogers: And we have 14.2, the Falk ALR.

[3:53:09] Planner: Thank you, Chair Rogers.

[3:53:11] Planner: And I apologize for talking over one of the-

[3:53:14] Trustee Rogers: oh it's

[3:53:14] Planner: okay it happened um so 620 montague road um and this report is for the ltc to decide if it

[3:53:23] Planner: wishes to for the inclusion application uh for into the agricultural land sorry to the agricultural

[3:53:30] Planner: land commission for consideration with or without comments or recommendations for the alc to take

[3:53:37] Planner: into consideration so just a bit of context um so the agricultural land reserve was established

[3:53:43] Planner: in the early 70s to preserve agricultural land and encourage farming and to encourage local government

[3:53:49] Planner: and First Nations to accommodate and enable farm use compatible in their plans, bylaws, and policies.

[3:53:57] Planner: And those lands are administered by the ALC, which is an independent agency governed by appointed commissioners.

[3:54:05] Planner: So all applications for the ALR, whether they're inclusion, exclusion, subdivision, or non-farm use,

[3:54:12] Planner: are made directly to the ALC and then as a first step they're forwarded to the Islands Trust which

[3:54:18] Planner: is the local government in this case and then the LTC has the discretion to consider the application

[3:54:25] Planner: along one of the three paths and that was illustrated on in figure three in this staff

[3:54:31] Planner: report which is on page 128 and they can do one of three things which is to either forward sorry

[3:54:36] Planner: not forward which is to reject the application and it will proceed no further they can forward

[3:54:42] Planner: forward outright, which is an approval by the LTC, and then it goes to the Agricultural

[3:54:47] Planner: Land Commission for further consideration, or they can forward with comments, and typically

[3:54:52] Planner: those comments would be conditions that they would like to see put in place by the ALC

[3:54:57] Planner: if they ultimately decide to accept the inclusion.

[3:55:01] Planner: So inclusions are made under a portion of the Agricultural Land Reserve Act, and in

[3:55:08] Planner: this case it's to include the entire subject property into the agricultural land reserve

[3:55:15] Planner: the rationale for the inclusion that were provided by the applicants is that firstly that it was

[3:55:21] Planner: understood that it was in the ALR before it was subdivided off of a parent parcel which is

[3:55:28] Planner: 585 Montague Road which is to the south of Montague Road from this

[3:55:32] Planner: and they want to re-establish that designation I'll comment on that in a second and then

[3:55:38] Planner: And secondly, that the property's soil exposure and water availability is exceptional and perfectly suited for agriculture.

[3:55:46] Planner: And lastly, that the farming activities to date on the property support farming values and they wish to have that ALR designation in place to uphold those values into the future.

[3:55:57] Planner: So that first comment was what we feel we're sort of coming to the conclusion was just a misunderstanding.

[3:56:04] Planner: understanding, and that is that there's a note on the title certificate, which states that it's

[3:56:11] Planner: affected by the ALR, but that is likely just a notation that's carried over. So when subdivision

[3:56:17] Planner: happens, all legal notations go on to all titles, and they're not taken off unless there's an

[3:56:24] Planner: application made by the owner or the ALC and their acts to take that off. So it's likely just

[3:56:32] Planner: that a portion of the parent parcel, which is still in the ELR, was what was the misunderstanding

[3:56:39] Planner: there. So the property is 1.1 hectares in size. They provided a pretty detailed map of

[3:56:47] Planner: the uses on the property, including a residential use area, an area where they do current agriculture,

[3:56:55] Planner: an area for expanded agricultural use, which is approximately 0.15 hectares, and then

[3:57:02] Planner: a sizable area 0.45 hectares of mature forest. The current agriculture activities are vegetable

[3:57:10] Planner: production, a flower farm, fruit tree orchards, and a small apiary. They propose to expand their

[3:57:19] Planner: agricultural uses by providing more orchards, fruit and nut trees, and an additional greenhouse.

[3:57:25] Planner: house. So as part of the report, we undertook to do a preliminary analysis based of soil analysis

[3:57:41] Planner: based on the available soil mapping. And that's to provide some general indication to the LTC

[3:57:46] Planner: of the agricultural potential of the property. And that's in the absence of a professional

[3:57:51] Planner: agrologist report which the land commission may ultimately request from the applicants

[3:57:58] Planner: it's at their discretion though so figure four on page 130 of the agenda shows that all the soil on

[3:58:06] Planner: this property is what's termed qualicum soil and that has a capability class based on a scale of

[3:58:14] Planner: of one to seven, which is best being one

[3:58:17] Planner: and worst being seven has an unimproved class four to six

[3:58:23] Planner: with limitations on soil moisture, stoniness and topography

[3:58:28] Planner: and an improved rating of class three

[3:58:31] Planner: with same limitations.

[3:58:34] Planner: Class three land requires moderately, sorry,

[3:58:39] Planner: has limitations that require moderately intensive

[3:58:41] Planner: intensive management practices, or moderately restrict the range of crops, or both.

[3:58:50] Planner: The applicants have indicated the following improvements have been made, which may increase

[3:58:56] Planner: that capability class, which is deer fencing, provision of fruit trees, vegetable and flower

[3:59:02] Planner: growing area, the construction of a greenhouse, overhead sprinkler system, and improvements

[3:59:09] Planner: improvements to the soil. So, in terms of OCP objectives and policies, in considering

[3:59:18] Planner: whether to support and forward the application to the ALC, the LTC should consider how the

[3:59:25] Planner: proposal would be beneficial to both the agricultural viability of the farm operation and broader

[3:59:30] Planner: agricultural objectives and whether it supports the specific OCP policies. So, the one that

[3:59:39] Planner: that I'll just single out, agricultural policy

[3:59:41] Planner: is that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[3:59:44] Planner: shall support the retention of farmland within the ALR

[3:59:47] Planner: and applications for inclusions of suitable land

[3:59:50] Planner: should be supported.

[3:59:51] Planner: So in staff's opinion,

[3:59:53] Planner: the inclusion is supported by those policies.

[3:59:58] Planner: The recommendation.

[4:00:00] Planner: that was on page one is that the Galeano Island Local Trust Committee supports the application

[4:00:07] Planner: GLALR 2021.1 FALC for inclusion of the land in the ALR and direct staff to forward the application

[4:00:16] Planner: to the Agricultural Land Commission for further consideration. The rationale being that the

[4:00:23] Planner: application for inclusion is reasonable. It's supported by what's available, sorry, the available

[4:00:29] Planner: soil mapping for land capability for agriculture and it's supported by the

[4:00:34] Planner: objectives and policies of the OCP there's alternatives on the last page of

[4:00:39] Planner: the report and that's my summary questions

[4:00:46] Trustee Rogers: from the trustees nothing yeah

[4:00:49] Trustee Rogers: trust you all I

[4:00:51] Voice 20: don't have a question but I just have a comment that I'm

[4:00:54] Voice 20: really pleased to see this application and land going into the agricultural

[4:01:00] Voice 20: agricultural land reserve.

[4:01:01] Voice 20: And in that area, like across the road,

[4:01:05] Voice 20: there are sections of the ALR and also new owners

[4:01:10] Voice 20: who are planning to, as I understand it,

[4:01:13] Voice 20: planning to farm as well.

[4:01:15] Voice 20: So it's good, we need more food.

[4:01:20] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I've been trying to think of a reason

[4:01:23] Trustee Rogers: why we would ever not support an application.

[4:01:25] Trustee Rogers: I suppose if we had a piece of land designated

[4:01:28] Trustee Rogers: for something else that we didn't want to go,

[4:01:31] Trustee Rogers: but that would be the only thing I could think of, right?

[4:01:35] Trustee Rogers: So if there's no further,

[4:01:38] Trustee Rogers: I don't know if we need to turn to Ms. Faulk

[4:01:40] Trustee Rogers: because there's a, I mean, she's welcome to say something,

[4:01:42] Trustee Rogers: but the reality is if the motion is going to get made,

[4:01:49] Trustee Rogers: unless you have a concern,

[4:01:51] Trustee Rogers: otherwise does someone want to make the motion?

[4:01:56] Voice 20: Sure, I can make it.

[4:01:59] Voice 20: That the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[4:02:02] Voice 20: committee supports application GLALR2021.1 FALC

[4:02:07] Voice 20: for inclusion of land in the agricultural land reserve

[4:02:11] Voice 20: and direct staff to forward the application

[4:02:13] Voice 20: to the agricultural land commission

[4:02:14] Voice 20: for further consideration.

[4:02:17] Trustee Rogers: Okay, seconder.

[4:02:18] Trustee Rogers: Okay, any further discussion?

[4:02:21] Trustee Rogers: If not all in favor.

[4:02:24] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much for your fulsome

[4:02:25] Trustee Rogers: and the very informative both verbal and written report

[4:02:28] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Planner testimony.

[4:02:32] Trustee Rogers: Ms. Faulk, thank you for attending.

[4:02:34] Trustee Rogers: We didn't need your assistance in your application

[4:02:38] Trustee Rogers: while you've heard the motion.

[4:02:39] Trustee Rogers: So the next item on the agenda then is DVP 2021.1 Allen

[4:02:48] Trustee Rogers: and Nor gang.

[4:02:51] Trustee Rogers: I was trying to see if they were here.

[4:02:53] Trustee Rogers: Yes, I see Lorelei Allen is here.

[4:02:56] Trustee Rogers: We could promote her and I don't know if Mr.,

[4:03:00] Trustee Rogers: if anybody else is here,

[4:03:01] Trustee Rogers: but uh we'll maybe go there and we'll turn to you again and again so um miss allen just for you just

[4:03:09] Trustee Rogers: be clear what we'll do is we'll get the staff report we'll get planners sorry the trustees

[4:03:14] Trustee Rogers: active planner any clarification questions and then we'll ask you if you have any comments or

[4:03:18] Trustee Rogers: questions and we may have some questions for you so over to you planners thank you

[4:03:25] Planner: chair rogers so

[4:03:26] Planner: So 70 Bluff Road East, it's an application by Lorelei Allen and Michael Norgang.

[4:03:33] Planner: So the purpose of the report is to consider a development variance permit,

[4:03:36] Planner: and the variances are for the siting of a new dwelling on the subject property,

[4:03:40] Planner: specifically to vary sections in the small lot residential zone for front and side lot setbacks.

[4:03:53] Planner: The variants that was included in the draft DVP, which is attached for the existing accessory

[4:04:01] Planner: workshop was included, but subsequently in conversations with the applicants, it was

[4:04:07] Planner: determined that that actually has legal non-conforming status.

[4:04:10] Planner: And therefore, as indicated in the first recommendation on page one, that variance is no longer required.

[4:04:18] Planner: required. In addition, unfortunately, there were omissions in drafting the DBP for notification.

[4:04:25] Planner: And just referencing Figure 2, which is on page 145 of the agenda package, specifically

[4:04:32] Planner: there are siting setbacks required for the two new cisterns that are actually also required

[4:04:38] Planner: as part of the rainwater catchment system, which is required for building permit in water

[4:04:47] Planner: management area which is the case in with this dwelling and then as well the existing sewer

[4:04:54] Planner: treatment structure the tanks and the field are also required to be require variances for sighting

[4:05:05] Planner: there's an existing holding tank and additionally there's parking the way that the parking is

[4:05:12] Planner: is located, if it stays as indicated.

[4:05:16] Planner: So as notification was completed,

[4:05:18] Planner: in order to include these variances,

[4:05:21] Planner: a new notice to neighbors is required

[4:05:24] Planner: before the LTC can consider those.

[4:05:27] Planner: So the applicants were made aware of this

[4:05:30] Planner: and the alternative is instead of delaying this application,

[4:05:37] Planner: which would mean a delay to the construction,

[4:05:43] Planner: schedule for the house is to for them to make a further application subsequent to this one

[4:05:47] Planner: to include those app those ones that were omitted um so the subject property uh is extremely small

[4:05:55] Planner: for even well for galliano so um at only 0.056 hectares or point a quarter of a sorry 0.14 acres

[4:06:05] Planner: as i said above it's in the water management area and given the property size the building

[4:06:12] Planner: envelope does not allow a reasonably sized dwelling to be constructed without any variances.

[4:06:19] Planner: So in addition to the location of the existing structures, sorry in addition other structures

[4:06:28] Planner: such as the location of the sewer treatment facility and the irrigation field further

[4:06:34] Planner: that constrains the property. So the proposal is for the following. So the demolition of the

[4:06:43] Planner: existing dwelling, which was built in the 1940s and currently encroaches over the front property

[4:06:48] Planner: line by 0.6 meters. The removal of the carport that currently encroaches over the property line

[4:06:55] Planner: by 2.2 meters and removal of part of the woodshed attached to the workshop, which all of those were

[4:07:03] Planner: shown in figure two and then referencing figure three um the new the proposed new development is

[4:07:09] Planner: for a new two-story two-bedroom dwelling that will be um 142 meters squared or 1536 square feet in

[4:07:20] Planner: area and on two floors uh the footprint area including ease and um covered porch areas is

[4:07:30] Planner: is about 1200 square feet and I believe it's slightly less

[4:07:33] Planner: or about the same as what's there now in terms of footprint.

[4:07:39] Planner: Construction of the rainwater catchment system

[4:07:41] Planner: and provision of two parking spots.

[4:07:46] Planner: So the workshop is to be retained

[4:07:48] Planner: as well as the septic system and the holding tank.

[4:07:52] Planner: And all of this has been designed

[4:07:54] Planner: in order to meet the 25% maximum lot coverage for the zone.

[4:07:59] Planner: cisterns being exempt from that lock coverage and as our septic fields which are subsurface

[4:08:05] Planner: but they still require a setback as a structure the applicants just for information have also

[4:08:13] Planner: provided have a copy or a permit from the ministry of transportation infrastructure which is required

[4:08:20] Planner: for any development within 4.5 meters of a public highway and that has been confirmed as still valid

[4:08:28] Planner: by Ministry of Transportation Infrastructure today.

[4:08:33] Planner: So the rationale for the variance

[4:08:37] Planner: is that it will facilitate the construction

[4:08:39] Planner: of a new dwelling on approximately the same footprint

[4:08:42] Planner: as the existing,

[4:08:44] Planner: but of course, fully on the subject property.

[4:08:47] Planner: It'll allow the siting of the new dwelling

[4:08:49] Planner: in its most feasible location,

[4:08:51] Planner: given the property size

[4:08:52] Planner: and other constraints on the property.

[4:08:54] Planner: It will reduce and improve visual impacts

[4:08:57] Planner: to the neighboring properties

[4:08:58] Planner: with the new dwelling siting and the removal

[4:09:01] Planner: of the non-conforming accessory building,

[4:09:05] Planner: which is a carport, which is in a deteriorated condition

[4:09:08] Planner: and that's basically halfway on the road right away

[4:09:12] Planner: or we call it the verge.

[4:09:14] Planner: And in part, it will bring the subject property

[4:09:17] Planner: into compliance with the land use bylaw.

[4:09:21] Planner: The impact on neighboring properties on the public roadway,

[4:09:24] Planner: the proposed demolition of the carport

[4:09:26] Planner: and the sighting of the new dwelling will improve the visual impacts particularly from the roadway

[4:09:34] Planner: and the removal of the carport will also I'm sorry I just said that although

[4:09:41] Planner: sited close to the front property line and two stories in height the new dwelling remains modest

[4:09:47] Planner: in size and tree and vegetation removal will be limited as the dwelling will be located in the

[4:09:52] Planner: same disturbed area the intent of the regulation is to limit visual impacts of development on

[4:10:01] Planner: adjacent properties and establish a consistent development of pattern in the local area

[4:10:06] Planner: development pattern in the local area protection of views scenic areas and distinctive features

[4:10:12] Planner: contributing to the overall visual quality and and scenic value of the trust area maintaining a

[4:10:18] Planner: a rural character and establishing certainty

[4:10:21] Planner: with respect to residential development

[4:10:23] Planner: by maintaining consistent siting regulations.

[4:10:29] Planner: So consultation, the DVP notices were circulated

[4:10:32] Planner: to the surrounding property owners

[4:10:34] Planner: and residents within 100 meters.

[4:10:37] Planner: Staff at the time that the staff report was published

[4:10:41] Planner: had received one submission with objections

[4:10:46] Planner: to the variances based on numerous concerns.

[4:10:50] Planner: Just to summarize those,

[4:10:51] Planner: those are the proposed siting of the dwelling,

[4:10:53] Planner: the size of the dwelling, road safety,

[4:10:56] Planner: particularly given the hill and proximity

[4:10:58] Planner: to a sharp bend on Bluff Road, parking, heritage,

[4:11:02] Planner: character of development and affordability of housing.

[4:11:06] Planner: Subsequent to publishing of the staff report,

[4:11:11] Planner: we've received three submissions in support

[4:11:14] Planner: that have all been forwarded to the local trust committee.

[4:11:19] Planner: So the recommendations on page one

[4:11:21] Planner: are that the LTC amend the DVP

[4:11:27] Planner: by removing section two,

[4:11:31] Planner: which references the existing accessory building.

[4:11:35] Planner: And then also, and then the second resolution

[4:11:38] Planner: is that the Galliano LTC approve issuance

[4:11:42] Planner: of the development variance permit as amended and the rationale is that the variance is reasonable

[4:11:50] Planner: and the constraints of the property are significant given its size location of the

[4:11:54] Planner: existing buildings and infrastructure which limit the property the proposal would resolve setback

[4:12:01] Planner: issues with the existing dwelling and partially bring the property into compliance with land use

[4:12:06] Planner: bylaw the impacts on neighboring properties in the roadway would be improved with the building

[4:12:11] Planner: removal and new construction and the proposed variances do not challenge the intent of the

[4:12:16] Planner: regulation neighbors have notified and to date we've received four submissions

[4:12:23] Planner: and there are alternatives provided

[4:12:28] Trustee Rogers: thanks very much for the quick summary trustees questions for the planner

[4:12:34] Trustee Rogers: yeah trustee rockville um

[4:12:37] Voice 17: thanks planner testimonial i was just wondering so the

[4:12:40] Voice 17: The parking then, is parking considered lot coverage?

[4:12:45] Planner: No, paved surfaces and concrete surfaces aren't.

[4:12:49] Planner: Not that that's proposed.

[4:12:50] Planner: My understanding is that, and we may want to ask the applicant that,

[4:12:54] Planner: but it's not, it's to be, I believe it's to be a gravel surface,

[4:12:58] Planner: but notwithstanding paved surfaces are not considered structures.

[4:13:05] Planner: structures but their parking does need to meet setbacks under the parking regulations so okay

[4:13:13] Trustee Rogers: questions for the planner trustee trustee wolverine um

[4:13:20] Voice 20: i like my preference would be to

[4:13:23] Voice 20: deal with this all at once it is a really challenging site and i would actually like

[4:13:30] Voice 20: the opportunity to to walk onto it and see sorry okay sorry about that

[4:13:47] Voice 20: to actually see because I know that there are there are a lot of structures on the site it's

[4:13:53] Voice 20: really hard to to kind of see to envisage what it would look like in the future I think there's a

[4:13:59] Voice 20: tiny house on the site and there's a i don't know if there's a boat or something i can't remember

[4:14:04] Voice 20: but i've just looked from the from the road so there's a lot that sort of blocks uh blocked my

[4:14:12] Voice 20: ability anyway to look into the property and see you know what uh what it's like so i'm i'm just

[4:14:20] Voice 20: worried about um you know this is it is really constrained and i know that there are

[4:14:26] Voice 20: real difficulties to make this work so that's my my thought about i would prefer to deal with all

[4:14:36] Voice 20: of the variances at one

[4:14:37] Planner: but just i'm sure the applicants can weigh in on this um that was one

[4:14:43] Planner: of basically our first um suggestion when it was realized that there were emissions was to

[4:14:50] Planner: to defer and redo the notification,

[4:14:53] Planner: but the applicants have contractual obligations to,

[4:14:59] Planner: I believe, to their contractor,

[4:15:03] Planner: and also as it's a modular build,

[4:15:06] Planner: to deposits on the building.

[4:15:09] Planner: So that's why we decided to proceed in this way.

[4:15:13] Planner: But again, maybe they should fill in the blanks

[4:15:17] Planner: on that one, so.

[4:15:18] Trustee Rogers: All right. Well, it does sound like a question for the applicants. So why don't we turn to you? Hello, Ms. Allen and Mr. Coring. So over to you. Do you want to address that point or you want to address the report general?

[4:15:32] Voice 10: Well, there's a couple of things. I just want to make sure you mentioned that you had four letters and that the trustees have all read all four letters?

[4:15:42] Voice 10: yes

[4:15:43] Trustee Rogers: we've read we've read the letter of objection that came from here across the road and then we

[4:15:49] Trustee Rogers: saw we've seen three letters from neighbors of support including what

[4:15:53] Trustee Rogers: i gather from a woman

[4:15:54] Trustee Rogers: whose property must horseshoe around yours does it

[4:15:57] Voice 10: it does it does our

[4:15:59] Voice 10: lot is right in the middle

[4:16:01] Voice 10: of theirs and the

[4:16:03] Voice 10: thing and then we've

[4:16:04] Trustee Rogers: read and i read uh we also got your letter replying to

[4:16:09] Trustee Rogers: to the ones from the people across the street.

[4:16:12] Trustee Rogers: So, yeah.

[4:16:13] Voice 10: Yeah, I wanted to make sure you did

[4:16:15] Voice 10: because I wanted to refute some of the points

[4:16:20] Voice 10: that simply weren't true.

[4:16:22] Voice 10: And we went very carefully over everything.

[4:16:25] Voice 10: So you all got that letter as well.

[4:16:28] Voice 10: Good.

[4:16:30] Voice 10: We don't have contractual obligations.

[4:16:33] Voice 10: We have not signed a contract,

[4:16:35] Voice 10: but we do have workers, local workers,

[4:16:38] Voice 10: ready to start as soon as we can we don't want to touch it until we know that we'll be able to go

[4:16:44] Voice 10: forward of course um but they will have to find other work and i'm sure they will so that was

[4:16:51] Voice 10: our concern is that um we've started working with one of them um on another project um but we have

[4:17:00] Voice 10: more than one person that will be affected so that is one thing and the other thing is that

[4:17:05] Voice 10: because you guys aren't meeting in may that this we would not then be able to revisit it until june

[4:17:13] Voice 10: and that will we'll we won't have our workers at that point i don't think and so it'll probably

[4:17:19] Voice 10: push the project out another year and um yeah michael's

[4:17:25] Voice 9: gonna speak um yeah the uh the modular

[4:17:30] Voice 9: build of it will necessitate it'll be able to be a fairly quick build and i've been a builder for

[4:17:37] Voice 9: a number of years myself um the what uh jane referred to as a tiny house is an rv that's been

[4:17:46] Voice 9: a project kind of a hobby project of mine for about five years now and i've collected over the

[4:17:53] Voice 9: the last 40 years some gorgeous pieces of wood I'm finishing the interior off and we've always had

[4:18:00] Voice 9: different recreational vehicle we will not be living in that no one lives in that place

[4:18:07] Voice 9: and it'll be able to be reparked deeper into our our lot on the two parking spots that

[4:18:16] Voice 9: that we did have on the original plan application there.

[4:18:22] Voice 9: They're laid out, but unfortunately,

[4:18:24] Voice 9: through our miss and the planners oversight of it,

[4:18:31] Voice 9: it was not included on this application,

[4:18:35] Voice 9: but it is clearly delineated there.

[4:18:40] Voice 9: As far as coming on the property and seeing that,

[4:18:46] Voice 9: that would be uh would be helpful i wish you'd uh been able to do that in the last uh week or two

[4:18:54] Voice 9: but uh um i don't think if we uh given the building season i think if we can't push ahead

[4:19:05] Voice 9: with this at this point we won't be able to do that and we'll be kind of forced to reorganize

[4:19:12] Voice 9: our whole project um and you know that'll be quite difficult oh

[4:19:19] Voice 10: i would like to just say something

[4:19:21] Voice 10: also since you mentioned the tiny house that we have we've always had some kind of rv and we had

[4:19:29] Voice 10: considered bringing one you know or buying one but we've decided we didn't want to put

[4:19:34] Voice 10: like um a fiberglass kind of trailer we wanted something really pretty because of our location

[4:19:41] Voice 10: and because everybody can see it we are very visible and we just wanted something really nice

[4:19:46] Voice 10: and we have gotten just we just get compliments on it all the time and uh we think our home will

[4:19:53] Voice 10: too so you know that's all we think it's a good thing we hope you'll agree so

[4:19:59] Trustee Rogers: can i ask a question

[4:20:00] Trustee Rogers: because this issue of things getting missed etc and which is unfortunate and

[4:20:06] Voice 12: i sort of agree with

[4:20:07] Trustee Rogers: trustee wolverton but the chance of me getting over to see it anytime soon are pretty slim

[4:20:12] Trustee Rogers: um but but um and i haven't seen it where can you sort of describe for i don't know if you have the

[4:20:20] Trustee Rogers: the the site plan in front of you but yeah can

[4:20:23] Trustee Rogers: you sort of describe for me where the parking

[4:20:25] Trustee Rogers: would be and trustee rockefeller raised this issue and i and i'm a little concerned that we

[4:20:31] Trustee Rogers: don't i don't know because you took the carport proposing to take the carport out but where where

[4:20:36] Trustee Rogers: where would the actual, um, uh, parking be?

[4:20:40] Voice 9: Yeah, the parking, uh, um, the two places would be,

[4:20:46] Voice 9: and they were on our original site plan that we sent to the, uh, um, are you seeing them on there?

[4:20:54] Trustee Rogers: Are you

[4:20:55] Trustee Rogers: seeing a site plan that, that, yeah, that's, that's in

[4:20:59] Planner: our package, but it's, it's

[4:21:00] Trustee Rogers: slightly different than the one that's in the color and the staff report. Yeah. Yeah. I just

[4:21:05] Planner: shared my screen this is sorry this is the are you all looking at the site plan in black and white

[4:21:13] Planner: uh yes yeah so the parking spots are

[4:21:17] Trustee Rogers: right here right where

[4:21:18] Trustee Rogers: sorry

[4:21:19] Planner: you see my cursor or not one

[4:21:21] Planner: yes

[4:21:21] Trustee Rogers: i can't wait where it's gray yes

[4:21:23] Planner: okay

[4:21:25] Voice 9: and that's the reason for uh the variance to the

[4:21:30] Voice 9: parking space because they're within the setback as you can see from that central area that's

[4:21:37] Voice 9: the dotted line that would be the only inside of the setback area and that obviously

[4:21:46] Voice 9: wouldn't

[4:21:48] Voice 9: hold the parking spaces let alone the house the tanks the septic field

[4:21:55] Voice 9: so on and I think our proposal to move all of these things if we tear the garage down we'll

[4:22:04] Voice 9: be able to use that parking fully within our property and also the perhaps your drawing there

[4:22:14] Voice 9: doesn't show the existing house over the property line as well so we really want to move all of that

[4:22:23] Voice 9: that back in. And I think it's going to be a good improvement to the whole property.

[4:22:29] Voice 9: And the parking spaces will allow further to move our vehicles further into the property.

[4:22:37] Voice 9: Yeah,

[4:22:38] Trustee Rogers: because one of the things I noticed, we got some photographs sent to us,

[4:22:41] Trustee Rogers: and there seemed to be about the road, the cars seem to be on the road and or on the road

[4:22:47] Trustee Rogers: allowance they are

[4:22:49] Trustee Rogers: right away right

[4:22:50] Voice 9: now that's part of the the idea of being able to tear down

[4:22:54] Voice 9: those things um i have uh the it's not a boat jane it's uh uh i have a tool trailer that's a

[4:23:02] Voice 9: little cargo trailer 12 feet long and the tiny house uh that you called is a 22 foot uh custom

[4:23:11] Voice 9: trailer that I had made and so I'm putting the little custom structure on there but again it's

[4:23:21] Voice 9: not a living structure or something to live in but it's something that'll be recreational and

[4:23:27] Voice 9: be useful for us during our building project but not further than that and

[4:23:34] Voice 10: some some of that can

[4:23:36] Voice 10: go even further back we have some room to park further back we can probably we can park more

[4:23:41] Voice 10: than just those two spaces so we're going to get more things out of the way as we go okay

[4:23:49] Trustee Rogers: uh trustee rockfrold do you have any questions and i'll come back to you trustee wolverton

[4:23:58] Voice 17: i still am just hesitant about the parking and i i wish it could have been a comprehensive

[4:24:04] Voice 17: application because it is a very difficult property and to separate the two things

[4:24:10] Voice 17: to dwelling in the parking i'm finding really tricky so there's

[4:24:14] Trustee Rogers: a good question is the other

[4:24:15] Trustee Rogers: is the second set of variances applied for yet trustee or planner testament no not

[4:24:22] Planner: as yet no

[4:24:25] Trustee Rogers: so and you know we have to give notice and i mean well we could do it by an rwm because we don't

[4:24:32] Trustee Rogers: have a meeting that process is going to take a little while even after the application is filed

[4:24:37] Trustee Rogers: because you have to so it's not likely to if we wanted to combine it all together

[4:24:43] Trustee Rogers: it would be done before june and it would even be done by june i'm not

[4:24:49] Planner: sure if we could do it

[4:24:51] Planner: by rwm with further notification robert may be able to comment i don't

[4:24:56] Planner: know if robert's still

[4:24:56] Planner: here but uh man of course he's always there

[4:25:00] Trustee Rogers: he's always there uh

[4:25:02] Voice 6: of course you can do it by rwm

[4:25:03] Voice 6: yeah you just couldn't can't debate it

[4:25:05] Trustee Rogers: right yeah

[4:25:07] Voice 6: we could but my

[4:25:08] Trustee Rogers: point is i i think by the time we

[4:25:10] Trustee Rogers: do all the statutory notifications get the application and get a staff report oh yeah

[4:25:14] Voice 12: it'll

[4:25:15] Trustee Rogers: be close to not likely it's not likely to get done much before june the first day or june

[4:25:19] Trustee Rogers: whenever our june meeting is yeah june

[4:25:22] Trustee Rogers: june first june

[4:25:24] Voice 6: first yeah

[4:25:25] Trustee Rogers: that's not likely to be done much

[4:25:27] Trustee Rogers: before june 1st anyway so i share the concern that it should be a comprehensive application

[4:25:36] Trustee Rogers: so we can understand everything but i don't know the reasons so um anyway christine do you have any

[4:25:45] Trustee Rogers: other questions for the applicant uh

[4:25:48] Voice 17: yeah

[4:25:51] Trustee Rogers: go ahead um

[4:25:52] Voice 17: i was just wondering why the house wasn't cited

[4:25:55] Voice 17: did um a little bit for like as far back as possible from the front uh setback the house uh

[4:26:05] Voice 9: we there's a septic field there okay and uh we've moved uh shortened the length of the house and

[4:26:13] Voice 9: tried to keep at that you can see from the survey that the land begins to fall off over there and

[4:26:20] Voice 9: And there's that shows the rough location of a buried tank for the sewerage system and the field up above it.

[4:26:32] Voice 9: So

[4:26:33] Voice 17: thanks. It's just hard to see on the little drawing.

[4:26:37] Voice 17: So I thought if I asked. Yeah. And then so I see there's two parking spots on the map on the drawing.

[4:26:46] Voice 17: and so i presume there's just two vehicles and or and you're going to put the because it seems

[4:26:53] Voice 17: like in the picture we received as the trust there was three vehicles and then plus the trailer

[4:26:59] Voice 17: or whatever it says um

[4:27:01] Voice 9: well the rv uh truck and uh uh in a car and

[4:27:09] Voice 10: the tool trailer and i have a

[4:27:11] Voice 9: tool trailer that uh i've got the uh tools in that i'm uh working with right now which we were

[4:27:18] Voice 10: were talking about it's possible for us to move that completely not in a parking space but to the

[4:27:23] Voice 10: back of the property through down um through laurie and jeanine's place we can go down through

[4:27:29] Voice 10: there we were talking about possibly moving it down there but some of those vehicles we plan to

[4:27:34] Voice 10: get we don't want when we don't need them anymore so i don't know if that's where it's worked to you

[4:27:39] Voice 10: but we do need them right now and we can only we we can do three we can park three and yeah i think

[4:27:46] Voice 10: think we can park all four vehicles off the road actually I

[4:27:52] Voice 17: know it's hard because we're not even

[4:27:53] Voice 17: talking about parking right now because it's not part of the application so let me get I'm like

[4:27:58] Voice 17: what are we talking about I appreciate though you answering my question thank you very much

[4:28:02] Voice 17: yeah

[4:28:02] Voice 10: well you know I know that one thing that's been very interesting to me is that I think

[4:28:09] Voice 10: there's only five maybe five or six properties on Galeano that are our size and we're the second

[4:28:15] Voice 10: and smallest and um they're it's so the majority of parcels on the island this never comes up

[4:28:25] Voice 10: people have enough room to do whatever um this is what we have and we want to make it work as best

[4:28:33] Voice 10: we can you know we want to create housing that's going to work for us into our old age so we don't

[4:28:40] Voice 10: fill our current dwelling well so that's the that's our where we're coming from

[4:28:53] Trustee Rogers: so just to be clear um if for whatever reason we didn't decide today and said we're going to do

[4:29:01] Trustee Rogers: this on june 1st you think you'll finish you'll miss your build for this year i

[4:29:06] Voice 10: do just because

[4:29:07] Voice 10: of as you might have noticed the way things are with um how well workers is for one and we're

[4:29:15] Voice 10: very we just have great workers that want to work on this local too all from galliano um we

[4:29:23] Voice 10: the we're planning to do the shell um with pacific homes who have done a number of homes on the

[4:29:29] Voice 10: island and i'm actually looking at one right now on maine but um they have a 12-week turnaround

[4:29:36] Voice 10: around and we're hesitant then we need to give them a large deposit to start so it would be a

[4:29:42] Voice 10: real gamble that I don't know if I have the stomach to do it to just go ahead without at

[4:29:49] Voice 10: least knowing whether you guys would approve the house you know without having a good idea of that

[4:29:54] Voice 10: so the

[4:29:56] Voice 9: advantage of that building which Phil

[4:29:58] Voice 9: uh

[4:30:00] Voice 9: referred to as a modular build is that we would be able to begin on the thing have the entire

[4:30:07] Voice 9: site ready and the foundation built and then they would be able to crane in the the walls

[4:30:14] Voice 9: and the roof section and we'd be able to have it closed in by fall and finished by winter so

[4:30:23] Voice 9: So yeah,

[4:30:24] Voice 10: our, our crew seems to think we'll be able to get it done this year, which is

[4:30:31] Voice 10: that'd be a good thing.

[4:30:34] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I just, I'm also just looking at the fact that the application was received on

[4:30:39] Trustee Rogers: the 24th of February.

[4:30:41] Voice 11: So,

[4:30:41] Trustee Rogers: so we've turned this around in six weeks.

[4:30:45] Voice 17: Yeah.

[4:30:48] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Rockefeller.

[4:30:51] Voice 17: Oh, no, sorry.

[4:30:55] Voice 17: Sorry,

[4:30:55] Trustee Rogers: you had your hand up.

[4:30:57] Trustee Rogers: Go ahead.

[4:30:57] Voice 17: I'm just going to think again. Sorry.

[4:31:00] Trustee Rogers: Okay. So I'll just say a lot of what's happening here for the applicants.

[4:31:12] Trustee Rogers: I'm not hearing anybody saying that they're necessarily opposed to this.

[4:31:16] Trustee Rogers: What they're saying is they would much prefer to have the whole of the application in front of them at the same time

[4:31:25] Trustee Rogers: so that we can

[4:31:26] Trustee Rogers: sort of judge all of the various aspects of

[4:31:29] Trustee Rogers: it, including what might be in the new variants.

[4:31:31] Trustee Rogers: um i'm not saying what i'm not trying to prejudge what either trustee would do but that's the

[4:31:36] Trustee Rogers: message i'm getting and uh is that they're they're both being a little cautious because

[4:31:41] Trustee Rogers: they're hard it's hard to know what's coming down the pipe afterwards and anyway that's what that's

[4:31:47] Trustee Rogers: why i keep asking you these questions is what happens if it gets postponed yeah

[4:31:52] Voice 9: i appreciate

[4:31:54] Voice 9: that. Were

[4:32:00] Trustee Rogers: you asking me a further question? I wasn't asking you a question. I guess if you put

[4:32:06] Trustee Rogers: up your hand and said, no, we could wait, that would take the pressure off of us. That's why I

[4:32:12] Trustee Rogers: keep asking you that question. Okay, gotcha. But I've heard your answer fairly clearly,

[4:32:17] Trustee Rogers: puts you in a

[4:32:18] Trustee Rogers: difficult situation. Yeah.

[4:32:23] Voice 10: Well, since we were given the option to do it in two

[4:32:26] Voice 10: parts we thought it might be more expedient to go ahead and i

[4:32:33] Trustee Rogers: mean i mean i think the trustees

[4:32:35] Trustee Rogers: just have to make up their mind whether they're prepared to approve this deny this make a decision

[4:32:40] Trustee Rogers: about it or whether they'll they want to defer it i

[4:32:45] Voice 14: really

[4:32:46] Trustee Rogers: am not going to push one way or the other

[4:32:48] Trustee Rogers: i have don't really have strong feelings one way or the other and i don't

[4:32:51] Trustee Rogers: and i've never seen the

[4:32:52] Trustee Rogers: site other than the photographs that i got so

[4:32:54] Voice 20: yeah

[4:32:55] Trustee Rogers: trustee wolverton yeah

[4:32:57] Voice 20: i i'm i'm not happy

[4:32:59] Voice 20: to go forward with something piecemeal so i'm just putting that out um i don't know whether

[4:33:07] Voice 20: we could accomplish uh something in a very quick fashion if we deferred it and we we you know the

[4:33:16] Voice 20: the second, or it was all combined, it came into us,

[4:33:21] Voice 20: we had a chance to look at the site,

[4:33:24] Voice 20: and then I don't know by RWM,

[4:33:28] Voice 20: whether it's, whether that is feasible.

[4:33:33] Voice 20: That's a resolution without meeting,

[4:33:36] Voice 20: which we can do in between meetings.

[4:33:42] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, Trustee Rockwell.

[4:33:44] Trustee Rogers: um

[4:33:45] Voice 17: trustee what was that emotion or should are you just thinking again because i think we need

[4:33:50] Voice 17: to move ahead with this we've dilly-dallied we're talking if it's an emotion or should i just go

[4:33:55] Voice 17: ahead go ahead

[4:33:56] Trustee Rogers: well i mean when i know darling i think it's a difficult decision but it is i know

[4:34:00] Voice 17: but we're just

[4:34:00] Voice 17: bouncing it back forth back i

[4:34:02] Trustee Rogers: know the same decision one way or another

[4:34:04] Voice 17: if she's if

[4:34:05] Voice 17: that's just another comment then as awkward and uncomfortable as it is i talked with planner

[4:34:11] Voice 17: or testimony earlier at length and I don't appreciate two applications because it makes

[4:34:17] Voice 17: it difficult for neighbors to comment um as a whole um but I realize that's what happened in

[4:34:22] Voice 17: this case but you do have the support of your surrounding neighbors on your on touching your

[4:34:27] Voice 17: property and that means a lot to me so I I respect that um I have serious concerns about parking

[4:34:36] Voice 17: but planner testimony reassured me that when it when you do apply for that which I hope is soon

[4:34:42] Voice 17: and we do discuss it if there's problems then we can address that and it might affect the building

[4:34:49] Voice 17: perhaps I'm not really

[4:34:51] Voice 17: sure how it could affect if you've already gone ahead with building it and

[4:34:54] Voice 17: that was one of the the issues was how those two link together so that being said unless I don't

[4:35:04] Voice 17: have any strong i don't i don't like to be pressured into approving something because of

[4:35:09] Voice 17: plans but

[4:35:10] Voice 1: i also don't

[4:35:10] Voice 17: have any there i realize that you're setting the house a little further

[4:35:13] Voice 17: back than the footprint is right now um and you're demolishing the shed which will increase

[4:35:19] Voice 17: uh this view down the road because it is a terrible road but my real problem is the parking

[4:35:25] Voice 17: because cars are almost touching the highway right now we have a land use pilot that says you can't

[4:35:29] Voice 17: park onto a highway where you're backing onto and that is what we have right now so but i can't talk

[4:35:35] Voice 17: about that because we don't have that application so i'm just going to go ahead and say that i moved

[4:35:40] Voice 17: that the galliano allen local trust committee amend development variance permanent application

[4:35:44] Voice 17: gld vp-2021.1 allen and norgang that is attachment four to this report by removing from section two

[4:35:53] Voice 17: the text and an existing accessory building and removing section 2c in its entirety

[4:35:59] Voice 17: Okay.

[4:36:00] Trustee Rogers: That's a motion to amend the DVP. Is there a seconder for that motion? Yes. Okay.

[4:36:06] Trustee Rogers: That's been seconded. Do you wish to say anything further, Trustee Rockefeller?

[4:36:09] Voice 17: No. I hope I captured it in the above statement I made.

[4:36:14] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Wolverton, do you want to speak to that motion? No. I understand that motion. That's just

[4:36:19] Trustee Rogers: amending the DVP at this point. So I'll call the motion on that. That passes unanimously.

[4:36:25] Trustee Rogers: not as late um i guess here's another question for robert that's out there if he's still with us

[4:36:33] Trustee Rogers: or for phil can we approve a dvp conditional on them filing their neck their their additional

[4:36:41] Trustee Rogers: development variance permit my

[4:36:44] Planner: understanding is you can't have any conditions attached to

[4:36:46] Planner: a dvp so okay

[4:36:48] Trustee Rogers: you

[4:36:50] Voice 6: can't like i

[4:36:52] Planner: think on main if you recall

[4:36:53] Voice 6: it's you know you approve proved

[4:36:55] Voice 6: approved something but not issue it until such time as you receive you can have a bit

[4:37:00] Voice 1: of a delay

[4:37:00] Voice 6: between approving and issuing the permit but um no you can't you can't put a condition like that

[4:37:07] Voice 6: on a permit

[4:37:08] Voice 14: yeah

[4:37:09] Trustee Rogers: i just wanted to ask the question um i mean because i mean the question is if we

[4:37:15] Trustee Rogers: approve this there's a number of other variances but they'll apply because otherwise there'll be

[4:37:20] Trustee Rogers: bylaw of course

[4:37:21] Voice 6: that's right though well they won't get their building permits and they won't

[4:37:24] Trustee Rogers: get their building. Yeah.

[4:37:26] Trustee Rogers: Right. Okay. Sorry. I just wanted to ask. Okay.

[4:37:30] Voice 17: Sorry to be dilly

[4:37:32] Trustee Rogers: dallying.

[4:37:32] Voice 17: No, no, it's not. I asked those questions of planner testimony earlier, those

[4:37:35] Voice 17: exact questions, because I was also curious what we could do to make this an easier, more

[4:37:41] Voice 17: clear decision.

[4:37:42] Trustee Rogers: So then we have a second suggested motion.

[4:37:46] Voice 17: And that the Galleon Island Local

[4:37:48] Voice 17: Trust Committee approve issuance of development variance permit application GLDVP 2021.1

[4:37:54] Voice 17: Allen and Norgang as amended is

[4:37:57] Trustee Rogers: there a second okay that's been second any of you wish to speak

[4:38:01] Trustee Rogers: to it

[4:38:01] Voice 17: um I

[4:38:03] Voice 17: would just to reassure myself and other people that they will not get certain permits if

[4:38:10] Voice 17: they do not uh apply for the second part of this application you're saying

[4:38:17] Trustee Rogers: that out loud I'm just

[4:38:18] Voice 17: say that out loud okay

[4:38:20] Trustee Rogers: well we

[4:38:21] Voice 17: are doing it we'll say i'm out loud too so

[4:38:25] Trustee Rogers: okay trustee wolverton do

[4:38:27] Trustee Rogers: you wish to speak to the motion i beyond what you've already said and i just want to say uh

[4:38:32] Trustee Rogers: for the neighbors who also wrote uh i read all of your submissions and all of your comments related

[4:38:37] Trustee Rogers: to all of this uh and it's not that we didn't because we haven't talked about them we all took

[4:38:43] Trustee Rogers: them into account in our own consideration about what this would look like none of this is

[4:38:48] Trustee Rogers: probably even for the owner we all they probably wish they had a lot that was double the size that

[4:38:53] Trustee Rogers: it is so that you had more flexibility but i i actually don't think it's a reasonable thing to

[4:38:59] Trustee Rogers: suggest that you take out a septic system that's relatively new and um just in order to site your

[4:39:06] Trustee Rogers: house so that's that's sort of my view uh particularly as i understand it's a relatively

[4:39:12] Trustee Rogers: relatively new stuff compared to the house anyway.

[4:39:17] Trustee Rogers: So anyway, so I'm going to vote in favor of this as well

[4:39:20] Trustee Rogers: with the same consideration.

[4:39:21] Trustee Rogers: So I'll call the vote all in favor.

[4:39:23] Trustee Rogers: So that passes.

[4:39:24] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[4:39:25] Trustee Rogers: You'll get your DVP.

[4:39:26] Trustee Rogers: Please go ahead with your other application

[4:39:28] Trustee Rogers: as soon as possible.

[4:39:30] Trustee Rogers: And we'll be looking forward to hearing

[4:39:31] Trustee Rogers: that that has been received and is on our work plan.

[4:39:35] Voice 10: Well, thank you so much.

[4:39:36] Voice 10: Okay, thank you.

[4:39:37] Trustee Rogers: It will be.

[4:39:38] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[4:39:39] Trustee Rogers: We're going to move on

[4:39:40] Trustee Rogers: because we're running a little bit more than a little behind schedule thanks very much

[4:39:44] Trustee Rogers: uh the next item on the agenda is the groundwater sustainability project phase three uh is is

[4:39:50] Trustee Rogers: narissa still with us or is she coming or narissa

[4:39:53] Voice 6: couldn't couldn't stay sorry narissa couldn't stay

[4:39:56] Voice 6: after five uh she had some other commitments so um i was just gonna very briefly just say it's

[4:40:02] Voice 6: um it's mainly a memo for an update for the local trust committee on the status of the project

[4:40:06] Voice 6: and how it's moving forward and particularly identifying starting to identify potential

[4:40:11] Voice 6: amendments to look at um so if you look at page uh 169 and 170 uh 171 of the agenda package it

[4:40:21] Voice 6: outlines it outlines um the regulatory and policy amendments that the ltc could be potentially

[4:40:28] Voice 6: looking at with this project and then the next steps um outline what's what's the next the next

[4:40:34] Voice 6: phases of the work is okay

[4:40:37] Trustee Rogers: and so my question was at one point she said in her report that she might

[4:40:42] Trustee Rogers: be looking for feedback on what sorts of things she should be focusing on can we just do that

[4:40:47] Trustee Rogers: in writing you

[4:40:47] Voice 6: could do that in writing or call nerissa talk to her talk to her directly yeah so

[4:40:51] Trustee Rogers: that that was what i was going to suggest in any case today because i is if you go through the

[4:40:57] Trustee Rogers: options for ocp amendments the options on 170 172 etc etc if you want to just the trustee

[4:41:04] Trustee Rogers: simply want to get a hold of Nerissa and let her know or or write a memo and copy us an email and

[4:41:10] Trustee Rogers: copy us all so that we can see it and we can discuss this more it'll give her some opportunity

[4:41:15] Trustee Rogers: to bring us back something more fulsome in June any comments from either of the other trustees

[4:41:20] Trustee Rogers: before we move on okay thank you yeah sorry yeah trustee Wolverton um

[4:41:27] Voice 20: no I was just gonna say it's

[4:41:28] Voice 20: it's exciting to start to see this in very concrete terms and I you know I'm looking forward

[4:41:35] Voice 20: forward to us uh adding these things into our ocp yeah

[4:41:41] Trustee Rogers: and not just here but on uh on north pender

[4:41:45] Trustee Rogers: and south pender no

[4:41:47] Voice 6: not south pender north pender so fenders put it onto their long their long list

[4:41:52] Voice 6: their projects

[4:41:52] Trustee Rogers: right and i know maine is still on their long list too similarly yeah well we're

[4:41:57] Trustee Rogers: just waiting for galley maine's just waiting for galea and north pender to do all the heavy lifting

[4:42:01] Trustee Rogers: and then that's right um uh okay thanks a lot for that i'm certain we'll go to the stvr review

[4:42:08] Trustee Rogers: project uh the staff memo i think this is from brad uh so brad's still brother smith you're still

[4:42:14] Trustee Rogers: with us i hope i

[4:42:19] Voice 12: mean yeah it's distracted okay

[4:42:23] Trustee Rogers: so this is we're on page 173 so over to you uh

[4:42:28] Trustee Rogers: This is the STVR where you talk about where the 275 is at in the standing resolutions.

[4:42:37] Trustee Rogers: And you gave us some details about the various TUP holders.

[4:42:41] Trustee Rogers: I'm not, but I don't know what action you were asking us to do.

[4:42:44] Trustee Rogers: It's

[4:42:44] Voice 30: just a staff memo for kind of to flag LTC could either have this conversation now or at some point you'll need to decide what to do with those things.

[4:42:53] Voice 30: so

[4:42:53] Trustee Rogers: um my question for you is at one point in your staff memo you you did flag the people

[4:42:59] Trustee Rogers: um who have the first timers and the ones that are under renewals you said ltc is requested to

[4:43:09] Trustee Rogers: decide you didn't say today if any consideration should be given to these permit holders when

[4:43:15] Trustee Rogers: their current permit expires and i didn't know what that meant it's

[4:43:19] Voice 30: like uh like uh for lack

[4:43:21] Voice 30: lack of a better term a grandfathering clause or a non-conforming clause so that if you have a permit

[4:43:27] Voice 30: now uh you would have some kind of different sunset perhaps than um uh anyone else so for

[4:43:37] Voice 30: example for someone like mr madan can we basically

[4:43:40] Voice 6: we've got got some permits that are expiring

[4:43:42] Voice 6: and they potentially could come forward for renewal so we want to get some some

[4:43:48] Voice 6: some indication from the ltc what we should be saying to these people is

[4:43:54] Voice 30: it an outright yeah

[4:43:56] Voice 30: don't bother applying

[4:43:57] Voice 6: or it's

[4:43:58] Voice 30: said you're once your permit expires you're done or is there any

[4:44:01] Voice 30: uh uh allowance for anything beyond that because those questions do exist i thought

[4:44:08] Trustee Rogers: we decided that

[4:44:09] Trustee Rogers: but over to you trustee rock um

[4:44:11] Voice 17: from my understanding from the engagement and from

[4:44:14] Voice 17: from what I've heard since passing the third reading

[4:44:17] Voice 17: is there's a large support

[4:44:20] Voice 17: for not continuing any STVR with non-residents.

[4:44:26] Voice 30: That's clear for staff then if that's great.

[4:44:29] Voice 30: Thank you.

[4:44:30] Trustee Smith: Yeah,

[4:44:30] Trustee Rogers: I

[4:44:31] Voice 30: thought that's what we

[4:44:33] Trustee Rogers: decided in the third reading.

[4:44:35] Voice 30: Just to re-clarify and to make sure that that is the intent.

[4:44:39] Trustee Rogers: I mean, if you wanna ask us that question again

[4:44:41] Trustee Rogers: when it comes back for adoption.

[4:44:45] Trustee Rogers: It sounded

[4:44:46] Voice 30: pretty clear there.

[4:44:47] Trustee Rogers: I would have

[4:44:47] Trustee Rogers: understood it was understood.

[4:44:49] Trustee Rogers: I just didn't think there was any,

[4:44:51] Trustee Rogers: I thought we amended the OCP and took away the policies.

[4:44:55] Trustee Rogers: Yeah,

[4:44:56] Voice 30: and maybe more in particular for the people

[4:44:59] Voice 30: that have new permits and they're seeking renewals

[4:45:03] Voice 30: versus the secondary ones where they just end.

[4:45:06] Voice 30: So there will be no renewals, obviously, then either.

[4:45:10] Voice 30: And up to now, you have allowed renewals to be considered.

[4:45:13] Voice 30: and so uh it is good to clear or to clarify that those renewals when those uh new permits come up

[4:45:22] Voice 30: and there's only a couple of them but when they come up uh like folette for example that you just

[4:45:27] Voice 30: approved uh it will be the end of their uh tup yep that's good to clarify thank you thank you

[4:45:39] Trustee Rogers: um okay i think that takes care of that piece of business um we're at the work program report

[4:45:46] Trustee Rogers: which is at page uh sorry what am i looking at here um page 199 oh sorry 182

[4:46:01] Trustee Rogers: uh which is the uh which is uh and this is the top priorities report and trustee

[4:46:07] Trustee Rogers: Wilberton you had a question related to that or a comment or you wanted to talk about something.

[4:46:13] Voice 20: Yeah it's concerning district lot 87 and that in 2011 it got to first reading to

[4:46:21] Voice 20: create the nature protection and I would like to see us rather than the motion which I proposed

[4:46:32] Voice 20: last month about um looking at uh f1 uh conservation covenants i would prefer to set

[4:46:41] Voice 20: to remove that and look at uh completing the dl87 uh application what

[4:46:51] Trustee Rogers: do we know what the status of

[4:46:52] Trustee Rogers: it is

[4:46:52] Voice 20: it's just in in limbo yeah

[4:46:58] Voice 6: abeyance um yeah it wasn't an application um it was an ltc

[4:47:04] Voice 6: initiated um it's not just dlc 87 there was a couple other lots as well sort of in the same

[4:47:10] Voice 6: general area crown crown owned lots um and it's got first reading that's it and

[4:47:18] Voice 30: robert perhaps

[4:47:20] Voice 30: those would have been parcels that

[4:47:23] Voice 30: either transferred

[4:47:24] Voice 30: to the Crown when Mac Blow

[4:47:25] Voice 30: sold everything off, or they were always

[4:47:28] Voice 30: just held by the Crown through that period?

[4:47:30] Voice 6: I can't remember the specifics.

[4:47:31] Trustee Rogers: It would be one of the two.

[4:47:34] Trustee Rogers: So you'd like to put this

[4:47:36] Trustee Rogers: on our projects list?

[4:47:38] Voice 20: Yes.

[4:47:38] Trustee Rogers: In place of number

[4:47:39] Trustee Rogers: 12?

[4:47:42] Voice 20: Yes.

[4:47:45] Voice 20: Under 85.

[4:47:47] Voice 20: Yes.

[4:47:48] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[4:47:49] Trustee Rogers: I thought that motion

[4:47:52] Trustee Rogers: motion when we got asked the question by Mr. Cario I thought that the motion related to the

[4:47:57] Trustee Rogers: F1 conservation covenant there's another tool in our toolbox like a la what we'd heard from

[4:48:04] Trustee Rogers: a related to forestry solutions but if you want to go if you would like rather put an

[4:48:11] Trustee Rogers: a project that it's specific to certain laws on our thing we can do that

[4:48:17] Voice 17: yeah

[4:48:19] Trustee Rogers: trustee Rockwell

[4:48:20] Trustee Rogers: are

[4:48:20] Voice 17: you moving that as a top priority or are you moving that it's a like on just on the project

[4:48:26] Voice 17: list uh well

[4:48:29] Voice 20: we're i think we have room in the top priorities i mean we'll be uh the stvr review

[4:48:38] Voice 20: is you know we're just waiting for the for the bylaw to come back so we do there is uh and we're

[4:48:46] Voice 20: We're almost finished, I think, the land use bylaw amendments.

[4:48:52] Trustee Rogers: And where are we at on the bylaw amendments?

[4:48:55] Trustee Rogers: Have they been approved by the executive?

[4:48:59] Trustee Rogers: Yes.

[4:49:02] Voice 30: Yes.

[4:49:03] Voice 30: For the STVR, they've been approved by executive and at their ministerial office.

[4:49:10] Trustee Rogers: And how about the technical bylaws?

[4:49:12] Voice 30: The technical bylaws are out for referral.

[4:49:16] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[4:49:19] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[4:49:20] Trustee Rogers: Okay. Kleiner Kojima turned his camera back on to tell us we can't take another top priority

[4:49:26] Trustee Rogers: project.

[4:49:27] Voice 6: No, no, I was going to say, sort of similar to what you did at the last meeting,

[4:49:32] Voice 6: you just asked staff to report back with a project charter. I don't know if we actually

[4:49:37] Voice 6: even need a project charter for the sort of minor project, but we should probably put something

[4:49:43] Voice 6: together so that we can get some funding for it, because it will eventually have to go through

[4:49:47] Voice 6: public hearing so we need some budget for that which

[4:49:50] Trustee Rogers: one are you talking about now

[4:49:51] Voice 6: uh the the

[4:49:52] Voice 6: proposed um dl87 and et al et al yeah yeah i

[4:49:58] Trustee Rogers: mean i i this is the first i've heard of this so i'm

[4:50:01] Trustee Rogers: you're leading me into areas i don't know and i'm happy to go there but yeah trust me um

[4:50:06] Voice 17: the reason

[4:50:07] Voice 17: i i actually flagged it to the planner first was because i noticed it in keith erickson's

[4:50:12] Voice 17: biologists report there's just a little sentence regarding dl87 not being transferred and a lot of

[4:50:19] Voice 17: the application there kind of is involved with that being a large portion of parkland or potential

[4:50:26] Voice 17: parkland so i flagged it because i thought well where is this at and then now we've uncovered this

[4:50:32] Voice 17: half-finished project there's

[4:50:35] Trustee Rogers: been a motion to place on the to ask staff to prepare a project

[4:50:43] Trustee Rogers: charter or how about to reactivate the the the the LTC project related to DLA 87 and related

[4:50:54] Trustee Rogers: related properties yeah

[4:50:55] Voice 17: i'll second that i was curious if we could include in that report just

[4:51:01] Voice 17: why if we could investigate why it was put into abeyance yeah yeah

[4:51:08] Voice 17: thanks okay

[4:51:09] Trustee Rogers: well that's

[4:51:11] Trustee Rogers: probably enough if we ask you to reactivate it you'll go away and tell us what yeah i just figured

[4:51:15] Voice 17: 10

[4:51:16] Trustee Rogers: years ago so okay so that's been moved and seconded is there any other discussion related

[4:51:21] Trustee Rogers: to that uh seeing none i'll call the vote all those in favor so thank you so that will go there

[4:51:29] Trustee Rogers: and we can then we yeah go ahead oh

[4:51:31] Voice 17: no finish up i just wanted another i'm just

[4:51:33] Trustee Rogers: gonna say we can

[4:51:34] Trustee Rogers: move it into our top priority list when we when there's actually a vacancy there right yeah yeah

[4:51:41] Trustee Rogers: go ahead i was

[4:51:43] Voice 17: reviewing the f1 conservation covenant rezoning option and uh our language

[4:51:48] Voice 17: in the ocp and the ecosystem-based management uh that is encouraged for f3 which really protection

[4:51:56] Voice 17: is included in that so i was thinking rather than making our project list very long i would

[4:52:00] Voice 17: move that we remove number 12 f1 conservation covenant rezoning option from our projects list

[4:52:06] Voice 20: i'll second that okay

[4:52:08] Trustee Rogers: i'll i'll i'll follow you again

[4:52:12] Voice 14: any

[4:52:14] Trustee Rogers: further discussion all in favor

[4:52:17] Trustee Rogers: it passes unanimously uh anything else related to the work program either the projects or the

[4:52:24] Trustee Rogers: top report anything anything related to the applications report that we haven't already

[4:52:29] Trustee Rogers: talked about for hours and i'm in today okay

[4:52:32] Voice 14: um

[4:52:34] Trustee Rogers: i'm not seeing anything there's still a few

[4:52:37] Trustee Rogers: project applications on our list um although i was talking to laura patrick and she said

[4:52:43] Trustee Rogers: their next meeting they have 11 applications on their on salt spring um so anyway yes trustee

[4:52:53] Trustee Rogers: is

[4:52:53] Voice 20: there a an update on the uh lisa govro govro rather um application i

[4:53:04] Voice 30: can provide an update on

[4:53:05] Voice 30: that and so um the two outstanding there issues there for um lisa are the uh side uh access to

[4:53:15] Voice 30: her property to the parking space in the back that has been more or less resolved with the crd

[4:53:21] Voice 30: saying they have no concerns and with her receiving a highway access permits and with

[4:53:28] Voice 30: her being able to meet the parking standards we have no minimum width standards for the

[4:53:34] Voice 30: for the access on the side of her residence there so that's a big step for her and the other piece

[4:53:41] Voice 30: uh is around her uh water supply and so she has re-drilled her uh her own well in the back and

[4:53:50] Voice 30: she is working towards doing a pump test i think there are some high levels of

[4:53:59] Voice 30: turbidity in the water but it seems to be that's just a natural state of the drill and

[4:54:05] Voice 30: and she's hopeful that turbidity will continue to settle

[4:54:10] Voice 30: to a place where she's in standard

[4:54:14] Voice 30: and then she could do a pump test and get proof of water

[4:54:17] Voice 30: that I would suggest is her last big hurdle

[4:54:22] Voice 30: to LTC considering her or public hearing perhaps.

[4:54:28] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thanks.

[4:54:30] Trustee Rogers: Any other questions on the applications report

[4:54:32] Trustee Rogers: from other trustees?

[4:54:33] Trustee Rogers: Nothing.

[4:54:33] Trustee Rogers: We'll move to the expense report.

[4:54:36] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything related to that?

[4:54:38] Trustee Rogers: I'm not seeing anything.

[4:54:39] Trustee Rogers: We have our standing resolutions.

[4:54:41] Trustee Rogers: I'm just going to keep moving through these.

[4:54:44] Trustee Rogers: Web page, there is no conservancy report.

[4:54:47] Trustee Rogers: We're at the new business, which is at page 199.

[4:54:51] Trustee Rogers: This is a letter that is actually out of date now,

[4:54:54] Trustee Rogers: but Vice Chair Patrick asked if he sent

[4:54:57] Trustee Rogers: to all the various local trust committees,

[4:55:00] Trustee Rogers: but the date for filing for engaging with fairies is long gone but it's here it's now on the record

[4:55:08] Trustee Rogers: for for anybody who wishes to look at our package um i wanted

[4:55:13] Trustee Rogers: to just say sorry go ahead i was going

[4:55:16] Voice 20: to say i think that this uh information was circulated quite broadly within the community

[4:55:21] Voice 20: and so people have you know given

[4:55:24] Trustee Rogers: simply correspondence that was sent to us that

[4:55:26] Trustee Rogers: that Chair Patrick thought we should all see

[4:55:28] Trustee Rogers: because it was addressed to her for some reason.

[4:55:31] Trustee Rogers: Anyway, the next letter is, it was my doing 17.2,

[4:55:34] Trustee Rogers: which is correspondence from Richard DeWinnes.

[4:55:36] Trustee Rogers: I want to be clear about something

[4:55:38] Trustee Rogers: because I think I've created more confusion

[4:55:40] Trustee Rogers: than I was when I was trying to resolve some.

[4:55:43] Trustee Rogers: I know there was a mail out in the community on Galliano

[4:55:47] Trustee Rogers: and then we started to get a bunch of emails

[4:55:49] Trustee Rogers: as if we had an application.

[4:55:51] Trustee Rogers: The only reason I put this item on the agenda

[4:55:53] Trustee Rogers: was to tell you this item is not on our agenda.

[4:55:57] Trustee Rogers: It's not, we don't have an application yet.

[4:56:00] Trustee Rogers: Yes, there are some sort of informal discussions

[4:56:03] Trustee Rogers: that are occurring, some inquiries,

[4:56:05] Trustee Rogers: I'll call them inquiries as opposed to discussions.

[4:56:08] Trustee Rogers: There is nothing on our agenda,

[4:56:10] Trustee Rogers: so there's nothing for us to respond to as of yet.

[4:56:13] Trustee Rogers: So I just wanted to be absolutely crystal clear.

[4:56:16] Trustee Rogers: My experiences with Galleon and other islands,

[4:56:19] Trustee Rogers: sometimes people in the community

[4:56:20] Trustee Rogers: get ahead of where we're actually at.

[4:56:22] Trustee Rogers: so anyway that's the only reason i put this here uh do other trustees have anything more to say

[4:56:28] Trustee Rogers: about this no so uh that'll uh then there's a 17.3 the special apc discussion that i put on the

[4:56:37] Trustee Rogers: agenda yes trustee rockwell oh

[4:56:40] Voice 17: i was just wondering um if we could forward that made to the next

[4:56:43] Voice 17: meeting the

[4:56:44] Trustee Rogers: special apc sure that's okay with trustee wolverton if you want

[4:56:48] Trustee Rogers: i

[4:56:49] Voice 20: i um i don't know

[4:56:51] Voice 20: the mechanism for creating a special apc and i i mean i know we have had one in the past on housing

[4:56:57] Voice 20: um but so it would be if the staff could just maybe give us a little memo on on how it's done

[4:57:06] Voice 20: or if there are if there's any yeah

[4:57:10] Trustee Rogers: and so so what i here's what i'd say is if you create an apc that

[4:57:14] Trustee Rogers: has a specific chapter because they're defined in a particular way if you want it to just convene

[4:57:20] Trustee Rogers: or getting together an advisory group it's not an advisory planning commission that might be

[4:57:25] Trustee Rogers: something different and but it's whether you resource it or not um it's going to be the

[4:57:31] Trustee Rogers: question but you i i'm guessing that robert kojima could probably fairly quickly or planner smith but

[4:57:37] Trustee Rogers: i don't like to put anything more on his plate uh could fairly quickly give us a a brief memo on

[4:57:42] Trustee Rogers: um specialty apc slash advisory group structure is that true robert

[4:57:49] Trustee Rogers: are you still with us

[4:57:51] Voice 20: he seems to have gone

[4:57:54] Voice 30: that would be

[4:57:57] Voice 30: go ahead Brad

[4:57:58] Trustee Rogers: I

[4:57:59] Voice 30: would say the structure of an APC

[4:58:01] Voice 30: there's no real

[4:58:01] Voice 30: separation of a special APC

[4:58:04] Voice 30: versus your regular APC

[4:58:07] Voice 30: you're just creating another APC

[4:58:09] Voice 30: for a special purpose

[4:58:10] Voice 30: so the structure and the statutory

[4:58:12] Voice 30: requirements around seeking

[4:58:16] Voice 30: members I think would all be the same

[4:58:19] Voice 30: okay

[4:58:20] Trustee Rogers: As long as it's an APC.

[4:58:22] Voice 30: Yeah, that would be the mechanism that LTC would have to create.

[4:58:28] Voice 30: That would be your one commission power.

[4:58:33] Trustee Rogers: I mean, we've created on other islands what are called working groups to avoid

[4:58:38] Trustee Rogers: all that formality around an APC.

[4:58:41] Trustee Rogers: So that's an option.

[4:58:42] Voice 14: Yeah, absolutely.

[4:58:43] Voice 30: That would just be a more ad hoc approach.

[4:58:46] Voice 30: approach so

[4:58:48] Trustee Rogers: but we can defer so we're going to defer carly 714.3 to a discussion item

[4:58:54] Trustee Rogers: under new business uh for june the 1st and we can take that into account our next meeting is

[4:59:00] Trustee Rogers: scheduled for june the 1st uh and so now i'm going to go back um and and ask if anybody

[4:59:06] Trustee Rogers: are still 20 attendees uh we do have a an in-camera meeting following this uh so if there's

[4:59:13] Trustee Rogers: anybody who wishes to to speak in the second town hall of the day uh and again i'm going to ask

[4:59:21] Trustee Rogers: first of all for anybody who wishes to speak uh on an item that we don't have to recuse either

[4:59:28] Trustee Rogers: trustee wolverton or trustee rockefeller so anybody other than on either giggers or or the

[4:59:34] Trustee Rogers: galley presentation i'd appreciate you could end up now uh and so that we can all listen to it and

[4:59:41] Trustee Rogers: And then we'll, I know Jennifer Margerson wishes to speak to, I had a question about

[4:59:50] Trustee Rogers: Giggers and we'll get to that at the end.

[4:59:52] Trustee Rogers: Yes, Mr. Moses.

[5:00:04] Trustee Rogers: Maple, can you promote Mr. Amos' areas?

[5:00:12] Trustee Rogers: You need to unmute yourself, Art.

[5:00:25] Voice 5: So maybe I get to say the things that I wasn't able to

[5:00:27] Voice 5: on my initial intervention

[5:00:32] Voice 5: about the Crystal Mountain application.

[5:00:34] Voice 5: I do know, however, that when trustees asked Crystal Mountain

[5:00:41] Voice 5: why they have increased their cabin size,

[5:00:45] Voice 5: the number of cabins on their property

[5:00:48] Voice 5: since the original application in 2002 there were no answers and i don't understand why the

[5:00:53] Voice 5: trustees didn't press them on that because

[5:00:55] Trustee Rogers: because the answer we got was we thought it was the same

[5:00:58] Trustee Rogers: number well

[5:01:01] Voice 5: yeah it's not the same number is it there were i think 12 uh 12 sleeping cabins in

[5:01:07] Voice 5: the previous uh a lot more camping and 12 sleeping cabins compared to uh 22 this time

[5:01:15] Voice 5: um and you know the issue of the of the trail you know that i i would urge trustees to examine

[5:01:25] Voice 5: more carefully the the upper ridge quite apart from the question of the fragmentation of the

[5:01:32] Voice 5: forest that it implies that is inherent in allowing a separated portion two separated

[5:01:38] Voice 5: of developable portions in a development.

[5:01:43] Voice 5: The issue of a trail is alive.

[5:01:47] Voice 5: And I would urge trustees to consider requiring the applicant

[5:01:54] Voice 5: to provide a gazetted trail across the property

[5:01:59] Voice 5: that would then have the capability of connecting with DL87.

[5:02:06] Voice 5: um and and finally um the issue of uh the the land use designation of spiritual retreat

[5:02:14] Voice 5: unlike trustee rockefeller i don't have it doesn't give me a lot of comfort it's a wide

[5:02:21] Voice 5: open designation for all kinds of forest plot owners to use the uh it's much even much broader

[5:02:28] Voice 5: than the religious retreat education designation

[5:02:32] Voice 5: that Crystal Mountain agreed to

[5:02:33] Voice 5: in negotiations with neighbors in 2017.

[5:02:38] Voice 5: Spiritual retreat is much more open.

[5:02:42] Voice 5: And, you know, this is, it's continuing,

[5:02:48] Voice 5: it allows any new owner to take over

[5:02:50] Voice 5: and continuing to run the operation

[5:02:54] Voice 5: for visitor accommodation

[5:02:55] Voice 5: accommodation under the guise of spiritual education and allows other four-spot owners

[5:03:00] Voice 5: to apply for a similar designation and this is this is indeed even though the bylaws says

[5:03:13] Voice 5: it's not for visitor they say it's not for visitor accommodation but uh but it is i i think

[5:03:20] Voice 5: you know in a in a way the best way to ensure that the developers are going to go ahead with this

[5:03:25] Voice 5: The best way to ensure that the development can never be used by any other owner for any other purpose would be to term the zone Crystal Mountain Society Education Zone.

[5:03:38] Voice 5: own. So it's very specific to Crystal Mountain in the bylaw. And then, and require that if

[5:03:46] Voice 5: it's conditionally rezoning, that if the society ever sold the land, that it dismantle all

[5:03:51] Voice 5: permanent structures before turning the land over to a new owner. That would be the most

[5:03:58] Voice 5: comfortable way to deal with

[5:04:01] Voice 5: this application. I

[5:04:03] Trustee Rogers: appreciate that last comment, the one about

[5:04:06] Trustee Rogers: about the specific spot zoning.

[5:04:08] Trustee Rogers: And there is some discussion I'm sure we're going to have

[5:04:12] Trustee Rogers: as to whether that's a better way

[5:04:13] Trustee Rogers: than putting this sort of a generic description

[5:04:16] Trustee Rogers: of a zone in the file.

[5:04:17] Trustee Rogers: So thanks for that.

[5:04:22] Trustee Rogers: Okay, sorry, you're breaking up.

[5:04:24] Trustee Rogers: So I'm hoping we heard everything you said.

[5:04:26] Trustee Rogers: So we'll thank

[5:04:27] Voice 12: you for that.

[5:04:27] Voice 12: Is anybody,

[5:04:28] Trustee Rogers: are you, sorry, I assumed you were finished.

[5:04:31] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Mr. Moses.

[5:04:33] Trustee Rogers: I don't see any other hand.

[5:04:34] Trustee Rogers: Oh, there's one more hand.

[5:04:36] Trustee Rogers: Oh, there's Sandy Pottle.

[5:04:37] Trustee Rogers: Oh, and then we'll get to you, Ms. Markeson.

[5:04:41] Trustee Rogers: Sandy Pottle, former trustee Sandy Pottle.

[5:04:55] Trustee Rogers: There you go.

[5:04:56] Trustee Rogers: You're unmuted, I can hear you, but I can't see you.

[5:05:00] Voice 12: Okay.

[5:05:01] Trustee Rogers: There you go.

[5:05:02] Trustee Rogers: Now I can see you.

[5:05:03] Voice 19: Now are you sure you still want to see me?

[5:05:05] Voice 19: Okay, there I am.

[5:05:07] Voice 19: Okay.

[5:05:08] Voice 19: Yeah, I just would like to provide what information I have

[5:05:13] Voice 19: about District Lot 87 and other lands

[5:05:16] Voice 19: that have not been converted to park lands.

[5:05:19] Voice 19: My understanding was that Parks was waiting to see

[5:05:22] Voice 19: how much more land they were going to get

[5:05:24] Voice 19: and then they were going to do it all at once.

[5:05:27] Voice 19: And I also just want to make one other comment

[5:05:30] Voice 19: about the trustees having a look at the legal opinion

[5:05:33] Voice 19: that was provided about zoning and non-profits

[5:05:37] Voice 19: and you can't preferentially rezone for non-profits.

[5:05:42] Voice 19: And that was in a staff report that Kim Stockdale prepared for us.

[5:05:48] Voice 19: I mean, so it's not confidential, but there is a legal opinion that is.

[5:05:52] Voice 19: And I think it would be a good idea for you.

[5:05:55] Voice 19: And thank you for spending so much time at all of this.

[5:05:59] Voice 19: You've been great.

[5:06:00] Voice 19: And thank you very much.

[5:06:02] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Ms. Bottle.

[5:06:03] Trustee Rogers: Nice to see you again.

[5:06:04] Trustee Rogers: Hope to see you

[5:06:05] Voice 19: on the island

[5:06:05] Trustee Rogers: one of these days soon.

[5:06:07] Voice 19: Bye.

[5:06:09] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I have one more hand and I don't know if anybody else wants to speak to us related to, and I assume Ms. Nargeson wants to speak to Diggers.

[5:06:18] Trustee Rogers: So I'm going to ask, is that correct, Jennifer?

[5:06:20] Trustee Rogers: You can't nod.

[5:06:22] Trustee Rogers: Maybe promote Jennifer, but make sure that that's exactly what she's going to talk about.

[5:06:29] Voice 20: Do you want me to leave now or wait?

[5:06:32] Trustee Rogers: I just want to make sure that's what she's coming to talk to us about.

[5:06:35] Voice 20: Okay.

[5:06:35] Voice 20: Okay,

[5:06:38] Trustee Rogers: Jennifer when you want, if you when you can, you can unmute and just confirms that are you going to speak to us about diggers.

[5:06:48] Voice 25: Yes, I am.

[5:06:49] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so yes, well, trust me, trust me Wolverton, why don't you go, and we'll just let you know when you come into the in camera session.

[5:06:57] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thanks. Go ahead, Jennifer.

[5:07:00] Voice 25: Okay, thank you very much and I'm very cognizant of how long a meeting this has been for all of you so I'll try and be very quick.

[5:07:07] Voice 25: I'm just wanting to speak in reference to the letter that was sent to the trustees and the

[5:07:13] Voice 25: planner from our strata owners on March 25th and several requests were made pertaining to

[5:07:19] Voice 25: the Giggers rezoning application before you in light of the potential significant and direct

[5:07:26] Voice 25: impact that this development could have on our properties and I wish to put those forward to

[5:07:32] Voice 25: to the trust at this point verbally, if that is appropriate.

[5:07:35] Voice 25: But if you feel that time,

[5:07:38] Voice 25: that that can be handled in a different way,

[5:07:41] Voice 25: Chair Rogers, given the length of this meeting,

[5:07:44] Voice 25: I defer to your opinion.

[5:07:46] Trustee Rogers: Well, my view has always been,

[5:07:49] Trustee Rogers: if we've got it in writing, we've got it in writing

[5:07:51] Trustee Rogers: and it's in front of us,

[5:07:53] Trustee Rogers: it'll be a letter that's in our correspondence package.

[5:07:58] Trustee Rogers: I've read it, I expect Trustee Rockefeller's read it.

[5:08:00] Trustee Rogers: it doesn't really make any difference to us if you say it out loud to us I'm not going to stop you

[5:08:06] Trustee Rogers: um but it doesn't really change the impact of it if there was something specific you wanted

[5:08:12] Trustee Rogers: to emphasize that's my you know but I also

[5:08:15] Trustee Rogers: appreciate you've waited a long time talk to us

[5:08:18] Trustee Rogers: like say that

[5:08:20] Voice 25: that's okay I'll just quickly say um that I think the two primary things and I will

[5:08:25] Voice 25: leave it for you to refer back to the letter have to do with the the

[5:08:31] Voice 25: recommendations from the water line report commissioned by our strata for

[5:08:36] Voice 25: further testing and monitoring of wells in our area and the second request for a

[5:08:43] Voice 25: wildfire assessment by a qualified Forester I will only add one very quick

[5:08:49] Voice 25: thing something that was not in the letter but further to that we would

[5:08:55] Voice 25: very much like to see a development potential map of our area to have such a thing provided

[5:09:01] Voice 25: and considered so that the trust policy statement on freshwater resources 4.4.2 is respected and

[5:09:10] Voice 25: that statement requires ltcs in their opcs ocps and regulatory bylaws to quote address measures

[5:09:18] Voice 25: that ensure that neither the density nor intensity of land use is increased in areas that are known

[5:09:25] Voice 25: to have a problem with the quality or quantity or the supply for fresh water and that water quality

[5:09:33] Voice 25: is maintained and existing anticipated and seasonal demands for water are considered and

[5:09:40] Voice 25: allowed for so it's the it's the anticipated that we have been asking about and um as well

[5:09:49] Voice 25: our ocp states under residential advocacy policies that it must be demonstrated that withdrawal of

[5:09:57] Voice 25: groundwater for new lots will not adversely affect the supply to existing and potential water users

[5:10:04] Voice 25: And I have been having a little bit of correspondence with Brad Smith about development potential

[5:10:12] Voice 25: maps or reports and in our neighborhood we tried to put together our own development

[5:10:18] Voice 25: potential map, but I would really again like to ask that this specific information be provided

[5:10:27] Voice 25: and considered to the community in relation to this particular proposal.

[5:10:32] Voice 25: proposal thank you yeah

[5:10:35] Trustee Rogers: and uh thank you for that and planner smith has advised me you've

[5:10:39] Trustee Rogers: been asking about a what a build-out map what what we sometimes refer to as a build-out map

[5:10:43] Trustee Rogers: for galliano um yes

[5:10:46] Voice 25: exactly yeah

[5:10:47] Trustee Rogers: it's it's not a it's not a a small thing to to do um and it it

[5:10:54] Trustee Rogers: is being done in certain areas and uh i um i will continue that conversation about it because they

[5:11:01] Trustee Rogers: They are useful when you can get them, but they're quite a lot of work to get together.

[5:11:06] Trustee Rogers: And you wouldn't do it just for one community.

[5:11:08] Trustee Rogers: You would do it for the whole island.

[5:11:11] Voice 25: I appreciate that.

[5:11:13] Voice 25: I'm a little surprised, I guess, that one doesn't already exist, especially when decisions are having to be made about anticipated use when it comes to water resources.

[5:11:25] Voice 25: but I will leave that with you then and hope that there may be something provided in that area

[5:11:33] Voice 25: because I find it very puzzling to understand how decisions can be made about water use in an area

[5:11:41] Voice 25: without that information in terms of the already zone for development that will inevitably occur.

[5:11:49] Voice 25: So, thank you.

[5:11:50] Voice 25: yeah

[5:11:51] Trustee Rogers: um well it is true but but remembering just a couple things jennifer before you go so that you

[5:11:57] Trustee Rogers: have this information remembering that at the end of the day it of course is not us who approves

[5:12:02] Trustee Rogers: wells uh that's the province um and there is the whole water sustainability act and the whole

[5:12:09] Trustee Rogers: principle of first in time first and right and people who register their wells have rights over

[5:12:14] Trustee Rogers: over people who don't register their wells.

[5:12:17] Trustee Rogers: And so that it's a very complicated area around water.

[5:12:22] Trustee Rogers: And at the end of the day,

[5:12:26] Trustee Rogers: well, I agree with you about 4.4.2.

[5:12:31] Trustee Rogers: We make those decisions based

[5:12:33] Trustee Rogers: on the professional reliance reports that we get

[5:12:36] Trustee Rogers: as to whether the particular application we have

[5:12:40] Trustee Rogers: has sufficient water as opposed to what might occur

[5:12:44] Trustee Rogers: in 20 years across the road or down the street or somewhere else although you know i could

[5:12:49] Trustee Rogers: understand why you might see it that way so uh okay okay i

[5:12:54] Trustee Rogers: don't know if that's helped you i

[5:12:55] Trustee Rogers: don't know if that's helped you or or made you more anxious well

[5:13:00] Voice 25: i i do feel it's a very important

[5:13:03] Voice 25: piece that seems to be missing from our discussions and and from your deliberations so i i i am

[5:13:11] Voice 25: concerned about that yeah

[5:13:13] Trustee Rogers: okay um one thing we might want to consider when we get if we get to

[5:13:17] Trustee Rogers: a cim as i think we're going heading plant brad's planner smith is to i is to have someone from the

[5:13:24] Trustee Rogers: water branch come and talk about that issue of wells and neighbors wells and first in time and

[5:13:30] Trustee Rogers: first and right and all that stuff so people understand yeah planner smith what

[5:13:34] Voice 30: i would say

[5:13:34] Voice 30: say to that is so there isn't an overarching density potential map for all of Galliano

[5:13:41] Voice 30: staff certainly and I've told this to Jennifer in my email response staff certainly use

[5:13:47] Voice 30: they well understand the land use provisions and the bylaw potential we use BC assessment data GIS

[5:13:54] Voice 30: data ground truthing through site visits when we can of course and a whole bunch of other tools to

[5:14:00] Voice 30: to try to understand the existing and future density.

[5:14:06] Voice 30: So that has been considered here.

[5:14:08] Voice 30: And I think with respect to the provincial

[5:14:11] Voice 30: or the water referral,

[5:14:14] Voice 30: another big piece of that puzzle

[5:14:15] Voice 30: is the memo from the province

[5:14:17] Voice 30: and the province would be looking at all the allocated

[5:14:19] Voice 30: and future water rights and making a decision

[5:14:23] Voice 30: with those considerations in mind.

[5:14:25] Voice 30: So thank you.

[5:14:30] Voice 30: You're on mute.

[5:14:31] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much.

[5:14:32] Trustee Rogers: Thanks for all that.

[5:14:33] Trustee Rogers: And I see no further hands up, which I appreciate.

[5:14:37] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much for your attendance and your attention today.

[5:14:41] Trustee Rogers: It's been a long day.

[5:14:42] Trustee Rogers: We have a brief or hopefully brief in-camera meeting after this.

[5:14:47] Trustee Rogers: So I'm going to call the adjournment here.

[5:14:52] Trustee Rogers: And Trustee Rockefeller, could you make the motion, please?

[5:14:58] Trustee Rogers: It's on the third page of the agenda.

[5:15:00] Trustee Rogers: If you can't find it, I'll do it.

[5:15:03] Trustee Rogers: I'll move that the meeting be closed to the public

[5:15:06] Trustee Rogers: in accordance with community charter,

[5:15:07] Trustee Rogers: part fourth, division three, section 91 ADF

[5:15:10] Trustee Rogers: of the purpose of considering adoption in camera meeting,

[5:15:15] Trustee Rogers: sorry, meeting minutes dated March 1st, 2021,

[5:15:18] Trustee Rogers: appointment of APA members and bylaw enforcement

[5:15:21] Trustee Rogers: and the reporter and staff attend the meeting.

[5:15:24] Trustee Rogers: That's second, all in favor?

[5:15:26] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much, everyone.

[5:15:27] Trustee Rogers: We'll see you if not before on June the 1st.

[5:15:30] Trustee Rogers: We're going to a separate meeting.

[5:15:31] Trustee Rogers: Seeing Maple sent us out the link to that, and if someone can text Jane and tell her to join us there, that would be great.

[5:15:37] Trustee Rogers: Great, thanks.