Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, April 15, 2021

[0:00:11] Voice 13: Hi, good morning, everyone. It's 10 o'clock. So I guess we will get started. And anyone who wants to join in a bit late, that's okay, too. Right now, we do have a full agenda. So I am the project manager for the Ganges Village Area Plan.

[0:00:29] Voice 13: So, absence of the selection of chairs yet at this point, I guess I will start the meeting.

[0:00:37] Voice 13: I'm working from home, so I just want to say I'm very grateful to join the meeting from the La Conqueror territory, and it's a pleasure to meet with all of you.

[0:00:47] Voice 13: I'm disappointed I cannot have the meeting in person because I think it will run much better when we can meet in person.

[0:00:55] Voice 13: So I look forward to the day when we can start working as a group in person soon, in a few months.

[0:01:02] Voice 13: And the first thing I'd like to get started from the agenda, which is not listed, and that's my fault, it's being the first time doing this,

[0:01:11] Voice 13: is to ask every one of you to look at the agenda and see if there are any changes.

[0:01:19] Voice 13: If not, we can just perhaps have you vote to approve the agenda.

[0:01:23] Voice 13: and I might have to look to Rob to help me when people vote, how do you count the vote, what's the mechanism?

[0:01:37] Voice 2: Under Robert's Rules of Order, agenda is received by consensus.

[0:01:43] Voice 2: So unless there's an item that is required to be changed, then we don't require a vote.

[0:01:49] Voice 2: We're just seeking acknowledgement from the public that the agenda is acceptable,

[0:01:54] Voice 2: or from the participants that the agenda is acceptable.

[0:01:57] Voice 2: If we hear no dissension, then it is received as presented.

[0:02:02] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:02:03] Voice 13: So if there are any comments

[0:02:05] Voice 13: or anyone have any changes to the agenda,

[0:02:09] Voice 13: otherwise we can consider it's accepted.

[0:02:19] Voice 13: Okay, I'm not seeing any hands raised

[0:02:23] Voice 13: or anyone have any comments.

[0:02:25] Voice 13: So I guess we can start the agenda and welcome.

[0:02:31] Voice 13: so at the first item is introduction of members and staff and i can just do really quick

[0:02:39] Voice 13: introduction on the local planning services office side of members myself as the island planner who's

[0:02:49] Voice 13: assigned to tackle this major project ng's village area plan and with me we have our legislative

[0:02:58] Voice 13: She's going to jump in to help me as my support because this is kind of the first time for me not only doing the task force, running the task force, but also electronically.

[0:03:10] Voice 13: I also have my managers, Stefan, here with just to join us for the very first meeting.

[0:03:19] Voice 13: On our team, we have Jordi, is the planner too, and also Christine as well.

[0:03:25] Voice 13: but I don't think Christine can join because of a meeting conflict, but in the future you may be able to see both of them.

[0:03:35] Voice 13: And with that being said, maybe I can just hand it over to the members.

[0:03:42] Voice 13: On my screen right next to me is Eric Booth. Would you like to start the introduction?

[0:03:47] Voice 13: action sorry you there there

[0:03:56] Voice 7: we go sorry can you hear me now yes hi

[0:03:59] Voice 7: thanks louisa um uh so i'm

[0:04:02] Voice 7: eric booth born and raised on salt spring i was a trustee from 2002 to 2005 i've been involved in

[0:04:10] Voice 7: real estate and real estate development on salt spring since 1988. i live in the ganges area

[0:04:16] Voice 7: i have managed property in the ganges area as well as i'm looking at rezoning property within

[0:04:23] Voice 7: in the Ganges area. So that's about all. Pretty much everybody else probably knows me, so I'll

[0:04:32] Voice 7: just pass it on to the next person. Maybe David?

[0:04:43] Voice 11: Good morning, everyone. I'm David Dennison. I'm

[0:04:46] Voice 11: a newbie on Salt Spring, almost a full year now. I used to joke that I've been here for 20 or 30

[0:04:56] Voice 11: days to try and line up with everyone else, but almost a full year. Most recently, in terms of

[0:05:04] Voice 11: my background, I was running one of the largest solar companies in Canada. Extensive experience

[0:05:13] Voice 11: on virtually all areas of clean tech. I'm on various boards and advising, what have you.

[0:05:20] Voice 11: um i have a degree in forestry um love the island very familiar with west coast born in vancouver

[0:05:28] Voice 11: and uh very interested and motivated to see what we can do here thank you i

[0:05:37] Voice 13: have bob mckay on my

[0:05:38] Voice 13: screen to be the next certainly

[0:05:42] Voice 9: it's uh it's bob mckay actually sorry no problem at all that's

[0:05:48] Voice 9: not the first time. So Bob McKay, been on Salt Spring for about 15 years. I live on Baker Road

[0:05:58] Voice 9: near Booth Bay and my involvement locally has been with Island Pathways to a great extent.

[0:06:07] Voice 9: I was the, or still I'm the chair of the bicycle working group, Cycling Salt Spring and also was

[0:06:17] Voice 9: involved with the group that looked at governance on salt spring um some a few years ago um

[0:06:25] Voice 9: none of them academically my background is uh as a business i'm retired but i'm

[0:06:31] Voice 9: mba uh be calm that sort of thing so kind of a business guy and that's me thanks thank you

[0:06:39] Voice 12: um john yes

[0:06:44] Voice 17: john gold uh i'm retired that's my acclaim to fame these days um so i retired

[0:06:49] Voice 17: from a career as a landscape architect and community planner and i finished up my career

[0:06:54] Voice 17: as a project manager uh yeah academically i have a landscape architect's degree and a

[0:07:00] Voice 17: master's of public administration in local government um i guess a note is that uh yeah

[0:07:08] Voice 17: i finished up my career as a project manager uh serving uh affordable housing groups over

[0:07:12] Voice 17: in victoria involved in a lot of affordable housing projects there um and uh and obviously

[0:07:20] Voice 17: i was the regional planning manager at islands trust on salt spring here from 2001 to 2008.

[0:07:26] Voice 17: that's me thank

[0:07:29] Voice 12: you um sebastian good

[0:07:35] Voice 16: morning to all of you can you hear me well

[0:07:38] Voice 13: yes yeah

[0:07:39] Voice 16: good i uh so i'm i've uh been living on salt spring for about 30 years

[0:07:46] Voice 16: But for the first 10 years, it was back and forth with Vancouver.

[0:07:49] Voice 16: I was still involved in an engineering and urban planning business that I managed and owned for 25 years.

[0:07:56] Voice 16: And that included involvement with a lot of urban plans and strategic plans and design exercises in communities across Canada and internationally.

[0:08:07] Voice 16: nationally and I guess the other thing I'll say is that I'm hoping to bring some continuity to

[0:08:13] Voice 16: this exercise since I was quite involved in the first major exercise on Ganges design which says

[0:08:19] Voice 16: years ago but it was it was a really fun exercise for me and I think we we had a lot of creative

[0:08:28] Voice 16: ideas and I'm hoping we can capture a few of those and integrate them into what we're doing so

[0:08:32] Voice 16: So I view that as one possible role for me here in the group.

[0:08:36] Voice 16: And, yeah, I'm hoping that we can continue what was for me a very positive experience.

[0:08:43] Voice 16: I had an opportunity to get to know people I otherwise would not have

[0:08:47] Voice 16: and also to get to know our island and its history

[0:08:50] Voice 16: and to engage in some fascinating discussions and creative design work.

[0:08:55] Voice 16: And I'm looking forward to hopefully opening that same book again with all of you.

[0:09:01] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:09:03] Voice 12: Mike?

[0:09:05] Voice 8: Hi, my name's Mike Best, and I'm a third generation Salt Springer. My grandparents came here in 1912 and homesteaded the Ganges Hill area, so I live proximal to Ganges.

[0:09:19] Voice 8: My background is in business as well. I have an economics degree and a Bachelor of Arts Economics and MBA.

[0:09:33] Voice 8: I've done work for the Environmental Protection Agency in the States on a Global 2000 report back in the 1980s,

[0:09:40] Voice 8: and also did my thesis at college on Epcot Center, which is a Disney experimental prototype city of tomorrow.

[0:09:50] Voice 8: So I've had some experience in design and planning and urban planning, and it's an area of my interest. So other than that, not much else. I think many of you already know me anyway.

[0:10:06] Voice 12: Thank you, Mike. Robin?

[0:10:08] Voice 12: Hi,

[0:10:12] Voice 19: I'm Robin Jenkinson, and I've been on Salt Spring five years with family from Victoria going back a long ways.

[0:10:20] Voice 19: and um I am a biologist a fisheries biologist but I am not practicing except as a consultant right

[0:10:30] Voice 19: now and um I mainly do school gardens these days at Salt Spring Elementary and helping the school

[0:10:36] Voice 19: district with school to garden support but I did a professional certificate a couple years ago in

[0:10:42] Voice 19: urban design at SFU and I try to continuously educate myself in that regard and as part of that

[0:10:50] Voice 19: it was really fun to interview Sebastian a few years ago and learn more about the previous effort

[0:10:56] Voice 19: that everyone made, and it was inspiring. So here I am to contribute this round.

[0:11:04] Voice 13: Thank you. Chris? Oh, you just muted yourself.

[0:11:14] Voice 3: All right. I'm Chris. I've been living here on Salt Spring for 46 years. I run my own company

[0:11:22] Voice 3: here in the community I was a member of the fire hall for 10 plus years and I'm looking to help out

[0:11:30] Voice 3: any way I can and help the future of this island grow thank

[0:11:36] Voice 13: you uh last but not least uh Jenny

[0:11:40] Voice 13: hi

[0:11:41] Voice 15: um I was born in Ganges over 50 years ago and I grew up here and then I was away for a time but

[0:11:50] Voice 15: but then I returned here and I've been raising my children here and I'm kind

[0:11:57] Voice 15: of linked to a Ganges property.

[0:12:00] Voice 15: And I was also previously linked to other Ganges properties that my were

[0:12:05] Voice 15: connected to my parents.

[0:12:06] Voice 15: And right now I had spent a lot of time reading about history with,

[0:12:13] Voice 15: in terms of hydrology.

[0:12:14] Voice 15: And I actually have a hydrologist working for me who's creating a report of the different types of problems with the water drainage that goes along that impacts family property at 141 Atkins.

[0:12:31] Voice 15: And because it's connected to so many other properties and their issues, I'm learning quite a bit about the area.

[0:12:38] Voice 15: And I also acquired a lot of freedom of information to learn about that area.

[0:12:43] Voice 15: and so I just in particular this past year spent many many hours reading about those aspects and I

[0:12:53] Voice 15: think it's something really important because when I read that history of what people hope to do for

[0:12:59] Voice 15: Ganges and then what actually was able to be done a lot of times there's limitations based on actual

[0:13:06] Voice 15: physical barriers and definitely the histories with the stormwater in Ganges is complex and I

[0:13:13] Voice 15: I'm just really hopeful to be able to contribute in that way.

[0:13:15] Voice 15: And I think a lot of you know me, and I've seen most of you before,

[0:13:20] Voice 15: and I know some of you really well.

[0:13:21] Voice 15: So hopefully that's good enough intro.

[0:13:23] Voice 15: Thank you.

[0:13:25] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:13:26] Voice 13: So what I like to do is go around from the staff side

[0:13:30] Voice 13: and have them introduce themselves

[0:13:31] Voice 13: and maybe talk about their role in relation to the task force

[0:13:36] Voice 13: and on the project.

[0:13:38] Voice 13: I guess I could start with Stephan.

[0:13:42] Voice 13: Good

[0:13:44] Voice 6: morning, everybody. It's a good day to see you all here. A little shout out to Mr. Gould, who has done this work before in coordinating, so I mind your work, and previous trustees, and Sebastian Moffitt, I think we've spoken about this before many times, and the rest of you,

[0:14:02] Voice 6: I've spoken in various capacities, and welcome, Mr. Dunison.

[0:14:06] Voice 6: Listen, so my role, what is my role?

[0:14:09] Voice 6: My role is as the regional planning manager to oversee the work of the staff.

[0:14:14] Voice 6: And it's to help the LTC get to where the heck they want to go.

[0:14:19] Voice 6: And I can tell you, having seen the Ganges, all the previous work for Ganges,

[0:14:25] Voice 6: that there's a lot of great ideas.

[0:14:27] Voice 6: And some of them get into policies, but very few of them seem to get into the land use bylaw.

[0:14:32] Voice 6: and what I would love to see here is you guys are now tasked with creating a local area plan

[0:14:39] Voice 6: staff are going to help put your ideas into writing and I hope you guys make we can actually

[0:14:45] Voice 6: make a plan that is implementable and it's actually action action some of what you want to

[0:14:51] Voice 6: do so I'm sure like most of you I get frustrated to see things written and then ignored and I'd

[0:14:59] Voice 6: I'd love to have you guys take that leap.

[0:15:01] Voice 6: So I'm here to help you with that,

[0:15:02] Voice 6: but my principal task is to help staff do their jobs

[0:15:06] Voice 6: and to help the LTC achieve their dreams.

[0:15:09] Voice 6: So if I can do that, feel free to contact me.

[0:15:12] Voice 6: Other than that, I'm going to let it go, pass it on.

[0:15:16] Voice 13: Thank you, Stephan.

[0:15:17] Voice 13: And Jordy?

[0:15:21] Voice 1: Thanks, Louisa.

[0:15:23] Voice 1: Yes, I'm Jordy, Planner 2 at the Allens Trust.

[0:15:26] Voice 1: I've spoken to a few of you on various applications before.

[0:15:29] Voice 1: for so I process mainly applications at current planning balance trust and really in this role

[0:15:36] Voice 1: I'm just supporting Louisa and this project so gonna be helping out in whatever whatever way

[0:15:44] Voice 1: I can thanks

[0:15:46] Voice 13: Judy Daniella good

[0:15:50] Voice 14: morning everybody my name is Daniella Murphy and I'm the legislative

[0:15:54] Voice 14: Clerk for the organization here on Salt Spring Island what can I say my admin team of one me

[0:16:05] Voice 14: and Rob at the moment we lost our cohort just last week but Rob and I will be supporting Louise in

[0:16:13] Voice 14: terms of helping organize meetings supporting planner garbo with any administrative tasks

[0:16:21] Voice 14: that she needs we also coordinate with our minute taker who will be helping document your decisions

[0:16:30] Voice 14: and rather your recommendations your discussions and her name is Sarah sugar she's been with our

[0:16:38] Voice 14: team a very long time as well and is a great is a great resource for us so we're here to help

[0:16:46] Voice 14: answer any questions but again we're here to provide that support and make sure that you

[0:16:52] Voice 14: have the communications that you need for this project.

[0:16:56] Voice 13: And of course last but not least the

[0:17:00] Voice 13: most important you know function that we need for to run the meeting as well.

[0:17:06] Voice 2: Thank you I'm Rob

[0:17:07] Voice 2: Pingel I'm the planning team assistant here in the office so anyone that submits an application

[0:17:14] Voice 2: communication comes through me. For this meeting, I am doing tech support, lots of experience with

[0:17:21] Voice 2: Zoom, and so hopefully it all runs smoothly. And if it doesn't, feel free to blame me. I got thick

[0:17:28] Voice 2: skin from all my work at the market.

[0:17:31] Voice 13: Thank you, Rob. Myself, I've been a planner for about 20 years,

[0:17:38] Voice 13: And I work mostly, majority of my time in the U.S.

[0:17:42] Voice 13: And the majority of the U.S. time is in Arizona.

[0:17:46] Voice 13: And I did move back to Canada and in Manitoba.

[0:17:51] Voice 13: I worked there for about five years before I couldn't take the winter, especially after the heat in the desert.

[0:17:59] Voice 13: So I moved to West Coast and I moved to Washington.

[0:18:02] Voice 13: Washington. I did a lot of the from being current planning to long range to running projects. I also

[0:18:11] Voice 13: been running the community development department for some time. So I have a lot of experience

[0:18:17] Voice 13: as far as when looking at the project from start to finish essentially. And I also have I have a

[0:18:25] Voice 13: a degree in planning, a master in city planning.

[0:18:29] Voice 13: I have a law degree.

[0:18:30] Voice 13: I also have a master degree in corporate resolution.

[0:18:34] Voice 13: I am currently working on my PhD

[0:18:37] Voice 13: and I think I should be able to graduate

[0:18:39] Voice 13: in about three to four weeks.

[0:18:42] Voice 13: So I'm very excited about that.

[0:18:44] Voice 13: And that's essentially focusing on mediation,

[0:18:47] Voice 13: international mediation and corporate resolution.

[0:18:50] Voice 13: I find my skill when it comes to utilizing

[0:18:54] Voice 13: utilizing my skill in conflict resolution has, from the planning perspective, really

[0:19:00] Voice 13: helped me build bridges, build relationships.

[0:19:03] Voice 13: And I think that's really critical when it comes to land use and community planning.

[0:19:08] Voice 13: So I've been really enjoying my time in Salt Spring, even though I'm not physically there.

[0:19:14] Voice 13: I love the team, work in different jurisdictions, and I have to say Salt Spring Islands office

[0:19:20] Voice 13: because it's quite an incredible team.

[0:19:22] Voice 13: So I look forward to continue to working with them.

[0:19:25] Voice 13: With that being said, we're a bit early,

[0:19:28] Voice 13: which is great because it allow more time for you guys

[0:19:31] Voice 13: to do some talking to at the end.

[0:19:34] Voice 13: So I think the next item is,

[0:19:38] Voice 13: I'm obviously not the best person to run the meeting,

[0:19:41] Voice 13: as you can see already.

[0:19:42] Voice 13: You may want to select a chair and a vice chair.

[0:19:46] Voice 13: chair. And as you have read the terms of reference, the next item, once we get the chair, I will hand

[0:19:55] Voice 13: it over for the chair to run the meeting. I will definitely be there to support the chair. And I

[0:20:02] Voice 13: think after that, then we can look at the work plan that we put forward for you to look at, to

[0:20:10] Voice 13: consider and that is also part of the terms of reference that we are required to do.

[0:20:16] Voice 13: So with that being said, I think we'll consider the appointment of chair and vice chair because

[0:20:24] Voice 13: this is my first time doing that in South Spring and also there's different procedures

[0:20:30] Voice 13: and also doing it electronically is a little bit tricky.

[0:20:33] Voice 13: So I'm going to have Danella to help me to take the lead on that.

[0:20:37] Voice 13: that. Maybe asking if you guys have anyone in mind to nominate. And Danella, if I'm correct,

[0:20:47] Voice 13: just looking at the procedure, the person needs to nominate someone else, right?

[0:20:52] Voice 14: Correct. Yeah. So first off, it's only been, I think, the second time that we've done this,

[0:20:59] Voice 14: but we're going to be doing it via Zoom, obviously. And what we're going to do is once

[0:21:04] Voice 14: we have confirmed nominations we're going to set up a poll because the the

[0:21:10] Voice 14: election of the chair is normally done by in person by secret ballot that is if

[0:21:16] Voice 14: there is more than one nomination otherwise it will be by acclamation so

[0:21:21] Voice 14: first step is to gather nominations you can't nominate yourself so you're gonna

[0:21:27] Voice 14: all become fast friends and nominate each other so the nominations also need

[0:21:34] Voice 14: to be seconded so uh i will uh mute myself at the moment and let the nominations begin for chair

[0:21:50] Voice 15: is it correct then that i could just simply state that i would nominate somebody and that would be

[0:21:55] Voice 15: acceptable so

[0:21:57] Voice 14: the um the person you are nominating needs to uh it needs to be seconded

[0:22:03] Voice 14: and then that person would need to accept the nomination so it's three parts you nominate

[0:22:09] Voice 14: somebody it's seconded and that person needs to accept the nomination in order for it to proceed

[0:22:14] Voice 14: okay

[0:22:16] Voice 15: and it can be happening in real time right now you bet and

[0:22:22] Voice 16: the vice chair is a separate

[0:22:24] Voice 16: process we repeat it again correct

[0:22:26] Voice 15: i would nominate mike best i nominate mike best as chair

[0:22:33] Voice 15: Chair.

[0:22:36] Voice 8: Before that's seconded, if I may, I'm going to decline, but I'm sorry for that. But

[0:22:44] Voice 8: I'm I just have some other conflicts that may come into play. And so at best, if I'm not chair,

[0:22:51] Voice 8: thank you, though.

[0:22:59] Voice 19: I'd like to nominate three people and see if anybody wants to second any of

[0:23:03] Voice 19: them

[0:23:03] Voice 4: um

[0:23:06] Voice 19: just based on what i see is your experience um maybe uh nominating john gold

[0:23:13] Voice 19: sebastian moffat bob mckay is anybody interested in being chair i'm afraid

[0:23:23] Voice 4: i would decline i'm

[0:23:25] Voice 17: afraid but uh i could certainly support sebastian or i think i'm a

[0:23:32] Voice 16: better better concept person than

[0:23:35] Voice 16: process in this group uh and uh so thank you but i would also decline although a vice chair i i'd

[0:23:41] Voice 16: be happy to support somebody in fact if that makes sense later on well

[0:23:46] Voice 9: just to confuse the issue i'm

[0:23:48] Voice 9: going to decline as well i'm just uh i uh yeah i just can't i don't have the bandwidth right now

[0:23:56] Voice 14: so i just want to say something before we proceed um uh in addition like whoever is chair and vice

[0:24:03] Voice 14: chair I do provide chair training so some some guidance there for those who

[0:24:11] Voice 14: it's organizational training but just to provide some of that guidance into how

[0:24:17] Voice 14: to run a meeting and what the chair expectations are so we don't leave you

[0:24:25] Voice 14: without resources I

[0:24:28] Voice 7: guess I'll step in here and I nominate David Dennison for

[0:24:34] Voice 7: for chair?

[0:24:37] Voice 7: This

[0:24:38] Voice 11: is, we're going to be batting a thousand.

[0:24:43] I'll

[0:24:46] Voice 11: have to decline, unfortunately.

[0:24:49] Voice 15: I nominate Chris Planbeck for chair.

[0:24:56] Voice 3: I'd second that motion.

[0:24:59] Voice 3: I will have to decline.

[0:25:03] Voice 9: Okay, well I'll get with Robin

[0:25:06] Voice 9: and I'll nominate Robin Jenkins.

[0:25:08] Voice 9: and i'll

[0:25:12] Voice 17: second that nomination for robin how

[0:25:16] Voice 19: much staff support is there

[0:25:19] and

[0:25:20] Voice 9: you have a vice chair too robin

[0:25:22] Voice 14: yeah and you have a vice chair and uh absolutely you have uh

[0:25:28] Voice 14: support into uh learning how to run a meeting are

[0:25:35] Voice 19: you going to be nice to me eric

[0:25:41] Voice 7: Am I going to be nice? I'm nice to everybody. So the answer would be yes.

[0:25:48] Voice 17: And we'll all be nice.

[0:25:57] Voice 14: So I guess the question is, well, it's not clear to me. It was, it was put on,

[0:26:02] Voice 14: the nomination was there. It was seconded. Do you accept the nomination, Robin?

[0:26:07] Voice 14: Sure.

[0:26:08] Voice 14: Sure.

[0:26:09] Voice 14: Yes.

[0:26:09] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:26:09] Voice 14: Yay.

[0:26:11] Voice 14: All right.

[0:26:12] Voice 14: So, sorry.

[0:26:14] Voice 14: Nominate Sebastian as vice chair.

[0:26:16] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:26:17] Voice 14: No, no.

[0:26:17] Voice 14: Hold on.

[0:26:20] Voice 14: You're running.

[0:26:21] Voice 14: You're running.

[0:26:21] Voice 14: You're off to the races already.

[0:26:23] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:26:23] Voice 14: So, what I need to do now is I need to call for nominations a couple times before we close

[0:26:30] Voice 14: the nominations.

[0:26:32] Voice 14: So, I'm going to call once for any further nominations for chair.

[0:26:41] Voice 19: Would anybody else like to be nominated for chair?

[0:26:45] And

[0:26:49] Voice 14: I'll call a second time, and I'll call a third time.

[0:27:03] Voice 14: Okay, so then hearing no further nominations, then the nominations are now closed,

[0:27:09] Voice 14: and Robin is chair by acclamation.

[0:27:14] Voice 14: Yay!

[0:27:15] Voice 14: Yay, wonderful.

[0:27:16] Voice 14: Wonderful. Okay, so now the procedure is the same for vice chair. So, nominations, seconded, and then accepted or declined by the being nominated.

[0:27:33] Voice 19: I repeat, my nomination for Sebastian Maasai.

[0:27:38] Voice 9: I'll second that, it's Bob.

[0:27:41] Voice 16: Thank you. It's fine with me.

[0:27:48] Voice 15: I'm going to try again here. I'm going to nominate Mike Best for vice chair. You can decline again if you want, but there you go.

[0:27:58] Voice 8: I think I'm okay with it. Yep. Thank you.

[0:28:03] Voice 14: So that needs to be seconded by somebody, please.

[0:28:08] Voice 7: I'll second that.

[0:28:23] Voice 19: Would anybody else like to be nominated for vice chair?

[0:28:43] Voice 14: Okay. So I'll call once for any further nominations for vice chair.

[0:28:51] Voice 14: Call twice. And I'll call a third time.

[0:29:08] Voice 14: And the nominations are closed.

[0:29:15] Voice 14: So we have two candidates for vice chair.

[0:29:17] Voice 14: And so Rob will be creating a poll here momentarily for Sebastian Moffitt and Mike Best, and that will be sent to you.

[0:29:30] Voice 14: You click your candidate of choice and it will be sent to Rob.

[0:29:35] Voice 14: And then Rob, if you could announce the results once the poll is closed so I can record it. Thank you.

[0:29:44] Voice 14: So

[0:29:45] Voice 2: there is a selection of abstain. So if you choose not to vote, like for either of these people, please select abstain just so we know that the participants, the members of the task force.

[0:30:00] Voice 2: have all voted. And so there will be three options. I am launching the poll now. And by my

[0:30:31] Voice 2: count, we have 14 participants to the meeting, five are staff, nine are task force members. I have

[0:30:40] Voice 2: nine votes. I am ending polling. Mike Best is elected as vice chair. Thank you. That's great.

[0:30:57] Voice 14: Thank you, Rob.

[0:31:02] Voice 13: There you go, Louisa. Thank you and congratulations.

[0:31:08] Voice 13: Robin, do you feel comfortable to start running the agenda or do you want me to pass this?

[0:31:19] Voice 19: I guess I'll go find the agenda in my email.

[0:31:25] Voice 13: What I could do is I could share.

[0:31:29] Voice 13: All

[0:31:32] Voice 19: right. Looks like we need to accept a work plan in principle. Is that right?

[0:31:39] Voice 19: Right.

[0:31:40] Voice 13: Yeah. So I can certainly explain a bit on this item, if you would like.

[0:31:46] Voice 19: Great. Okay.

[0:31:48] Voice 13: Thank you, Chair. So let me just find that document. Sorry about that. I need to

[0:32:02] Voice 13: stop share wouldn't let me move to that document. So just give me a quick second.

[0:32:06] Voice 13: in here. So this was one of the attachments that we send it over to you. And as I mentioned earlier

[0:32:23] Voice 13: in the meeting, that's part of the terms of reference requires the task force to develop a

[0:32:31] Voice 13: work plan. So what we have done and what I have done is pull the information from the project

[0:32:38] Voice 13: charter and also looking at the timeline. So a lot of it is reflective of what we actually have to do

[0:32:45] Voice 13: through this process. Although we mentioned to the trustees that we are targeting within two

[0:32:53] Voice 13: years to complete the plan, it's likely that it's going to take two to three years just because

[0:32:59] Voice 13: the final process is to go through the OCP. So that part itself is going to take some time.

[0:33:06] Voice 13: What we have before you is this is really tentative. It just created a framework to make

[0:33:13] Voice 13: make sure the task force is on track and because it looks like two years is a lot of time it isn't

[0:33:20] Voice 13: a lot of time especially when you only meet once a month and what it does is it lets you give you

[0:33:26] Voice 13: an idea at least you know what to expect when you come to the meeting what we have put forward

[0:33:32] Voice 13: is between May and June hopefully we can finalize the vision statement and but in addition to just

[0:33:41] Voice 13: the vision statement and the goals that you want to develop what do you envision the area plan

[0:33:48] Voice 13: trying to achieve we also will bring forward at the next meeting some relevant documents and also

[0:33:56] Voice 13: one thing we as staff will ask the task force to help us define a study area boundary

[0:34:05] Voice 13: And we will have a map and help you to think about how far it should go.

[0:34:11] Voice 13: The local trust committee directed us to look at a plan that look out to the future of the

[0:34:19] Voice 13: plan for the future up to 50 years.

[0:34:22] Voice 13: How do you see the Ganges Village, how it's going to grow and how it's going to be growing

[0:34:29] Voice 13: sustainably.

[0:34:30] Voice 13: so with that being said we need to look beyond just the village we need to look

[0:34:36] Voice 13: at other areas and I think I might have a map so this is just something that was

[0:34:44] Voice 13: done years ago and it's been implemented but I thought this will be kind of a

[0:34:50] Voice 13: good visual image to show you we need to redraw the outline to include parcels

[0:34:58] Voice 13: that are very new to the village

[0:35:01] Voice 13: and will have significant impact.

[0:35:03] Voice 13: For example, there are some parcels north of it

[0:35:06] Voice 13: that we think is suitable

[0:35:08] Voice 13: for some type of industrial development.

[0:35:11] Voice 13: And we want to, within the area of plan,

[0:35:14] Voice 13: to provide policies guiding those uses.

[0:35:17] Voice 13: So that's just an example.

[0:35:19] Voice 13: So the next meeting,

[0:35:20] Voice 13: we would definitely work with the task force

[0:35:23] Voice 13: to identify what is the appropriate study boundary.

[0:35:26] Voice 13: And with that being said,

[0:35:28] Voice 13: that we go back to, sorry, I think it's right here.

[0:35:34] Voice 13: So essentially this is the draft work plan.

[0:35:38] Voice 13: We can spend probably till the end of May

[0:35:44] Voice 13: for you to think about it.

[0:35:45] Voice 13: If you have any items you want to add to it

[0:35:48] Voice 13: or you want to reward some of the items,

[0:35:51] Voice 13: we'll be happy to do that.

[0:35:52] Voice 13: So next meeting, we will finalize this work plan.

[0:35:56] Voice 13: fine but at this point you can kind of think about it and and you can bring it back to the

[0:36:03] Voice 13: next meeting i can literally i can make the changes right in front of you too just so that

[0:36:09] Voice 13: you can accept it by the end of may so we can move forward with it so this is unless you feel

[0:36:16] Voice 13: right now it pretty much is good enough to go that's up to you too this is just a framework

[0:36:22] Voice 13: work this is not the task specifically what you need to do but of course let's say after

[0:36:29] Voice 13: halfway through we realize we never really touch on the topic of climate action as staff will

[0:36:37] Voice 13: remind you of that so not to worry we always monitor the process and in addition to this

[0:36:44] Voice 13: work plan for the task force staff has responsibility to continue to do research

[0:36:50] Voice 13: continue to put things together for you to review.

[0:36:53] Voice 13: So there's a lot of things happening behind the scene.

[0:36:56] Voice 13: I will talk a bit more about it

[0:36:58] Voice 13: at the administrative report item of the agenda.

[0:37:02] Voice 13: So this is the work plan before you,

[0:37:04] Voice 13: and I will refer back to the chair

[0:37:07] Voice 13: to ask for acceptance of this work plan.

[0:37:16] Voice 19: Are there any objections to waiting

[0:37:22] Voice 19: to officially approve it in May?

[0:37:27] Voice 19: Getting any changes before then. Is that the question.

[0:37:31] Voice 9: Yeah, no, no objection. I do have a question. The question is that on the information that was sent to us on think page two, there was an overview of the whole plan. And at the end of that, there's another

[0:37:52] Voice 9: schedule work plan overview so I'm assuming that that's no longer the case we're working with the

[0:37:58] Voice 9: one that we're looking at that starts on page five the Ganges village area plan the one you

[0:38:05] Voice 9: showed up on the screen so the other one is is defunct yes that

[0:38:10] Voice 12: I'm not sure which one you're

[0:38:12] Voice 12: looking at was it from the um it's

[0:38:16] Voice 9: on page um well it's the one that starts it's oh

[0:38:22] Voice 13: okay yeah

[0:38:23] Voice 13: thank

[0:38:23] Voice 9: you at the end of that

[0:38:24] Voice 13: uh so chair uh the prop that the one that david shown us is the

[0:38:30] Voice 13: project charter so the project charter was the one that adopted by ltc and this timeline that

[0:38:39] Voice 13: we propose we try to follow as closely as the project charter now things are going to evolve

[0:38:46] Voice 13: because sometimes it depends on the issue we have to deal with some might take longer time and

[0:38:52] Voice 13: you know it might delay the process a bit so it's not cast in stone it gave us the framework

[0:38:58] Voice 13: and the project charter is what the ltcf adopted and now we take the information from the project

[0:39:05] Voice 13: each other put that on the work plan for the task force so essentially your work plan is what we are

[0:39:13] Voice 13: showing today and we are asking you to accept it and you can still make changes

[0:39:19] Voice 4: you know

[0:39:24] Voice 17: luby's i do a couple comments uh one on the work plan we have a line called

[0:39:28] Voice 17: ganji's governance and i mean we can decide this later but my early suggestion is that

[0:39:35] Voice 17: that that's a rabbit hole.

[0:39:36] Voice 17: I'm not interested in going down

[0:39:38] Voice 17: and I think it will really divert us from a secondary plan,

[0:39:41] Voice 17: which is a real deliverable or goal of this project

[0:39:44] Voice 17: as Stefan pointed out.

[0:39:45] Voice 17: So we don't have to do it now,

[0:39:48] Voice 17: but I will at some point, you know,

[0:39:51] Voice 17: suggest that that line be struck from the work plan.

[0:39:56] Voice 17: And if I can go on to my second point on the,

[0:39:59] Voice 17: and I know the project charter has been approved,

[0:40:02] Voice 17: but I just wanted some clarification

[0:40:03] Voice 17: on the out of scope column and the project charter the third bullet is

[0:40:11] Voice 17: density use and regulatory amendments and I just want to clarify that I'm

[0:40:16] Voice 17: presuming that's getting at the fact that we're not going to be looking at

[0:40:21] Voice 17: those regulations but certainly I believe we're going to have to deal with

[0:40:25] Voice 17: policy around density when we talk about housing for instance in Ghandi so I just

[0:40:33] Voice 17: want to clarify that that's that's really about clarifying that any

[0:40:40] Voice 17: regulatory amendments are out of scope but policy around density and land use

[0:40:46] Voice 17: regulation amendments is within scope correct

[0:40:50] Voice 13: in the development of the sorry

[0:40:52] Voice 13: chair through you in developing the policies quite often we need to talk

[0:40:59] Voice 13: about densities we need to talk about a lot of the issues climate actions uh when we identify

[0:41:05] Voice 13: what is what are out of scopes are the items that we don't have the resource or the uh expertise to

[0:41:11] Voice 13: do so that but we can develop high level policy within that framework it

[0:41:21] Voice 19: might be how do you

[0:41:23] Voice 19: i have successfully avoided quite a lot of zoom this covid time um i was wondering does it

[0:41:30] Voice 19: work to kind of raise our hands and then go in speaking order is that something that you guys

[0:41:37] Voice 19: have done just we don't talk over each other sometimes

[0:41:45] Voice 17: you can raise something up really

[0:41:47] Voice 17: obvious that can work one

[0:41:50] Voice 15: thing i'd like to respond to what john gold just said um i'd like

[0:41:55] Voice 15: to start without ruling out anything including governance because we're i believe this is a

[0:42:02] Voice 15: a reasonable group of people and i think that we can be polite to each other and we should just

[0:42:07] Voice 15: keep open the whole the whole thing right now and not decide or even though that's a thought

[0:42:14] Voice 15: maybe coming into the future but i don't think we need to rule out ganji's governance as one of the

[0:42:19] Voice 15: topics that we cover david uh

[0:42:26] Voice 11: i think i'm i'm gonna echo both john and jenny here um but also

[0:42:33] Voice 11: So I was somewhat confused.

[0:42:36] Voice 11: Well, I appreciate the binder that we got in the 2007 plan.

[0:42:40] Voice 11: And there was extensive discussion, recommendations, and I guess plans for adoption within that plan where these items were in scope.

[0:42:58] Voice 11: and I'm not arguing that we use that as precedent but I was wondering where are we with respect to

[0:43:05] Voice 11: that plan and are we are we bound by or are we steered by in any way what's in that plan so

[0:43:17] Voice 11: so where it may be out of scope here but all those things were already accepted and put into the OCP

[0:43:22] Voice 11: Is that is that leverage that we still have, or are we removing leverage that that we would have for recommendations. So it makes sense that question.

[0:43:35] Voice 13: I would

[0:43:36] Voice 13: Through you, Chair, I'll try to answer the question, because I don't have the history with Salt Spring Island, but it's my understanding that's that

[0:43:44] Voice 13: that plan that we sent out as an attachment,

[0:43:48] Voice 13: it's the intent is to give you an idea

[0:43:51] Voice 13: that there are prior efforts,

[0:43:53] Voice 13: so we're not starting from scratch.

[0:43:55] Voice 13: And a lot of the recommendations

[0:43:57] Voice 13: already implemented in the OCP.

[0:44:00] Voice 13: Now that plan, one thing it does,

[0:44:02] Voice 13: it did point out is to look at potentially

[0:44:06] Voice 13: developing a separate area plan.

[0:44:09] Voice 13: So our process is pretty much in line with the history.

[0:44:13] Voice 13: tree uh so that and again it's up to the task force because you're more familiar with uh the

[0:44:21] Voice 13: the village issues and also with your expertise there might be some things that we haven't thought

[0:44:27] Voice 13: about so that's what i'm saying about the work plan is not cast in stone and if you feel there

[0:44:33] Voice 13: is something warren discussion uh and to look at as a policy or even as the goals trying to achieve

[0:44:41] Voice 13: This is something you can share among yourself as task force members to brainstorm and to discuss.

[0:44:48] Voice 13: And then you can make a recommendation for us as staff to take it to the LTC to consider.

[0:44:58] Voice 19: Thank you.

[0:45:00] Voice 19: I think it might make sense.

[0:45:02] Voice 19: I do appreciate what you're saying, John and Jenny, to look at all of the items that we're supposed to discuss.

[0:45:09] Voice 19: us and perhaps we could agree to put ganges governance at the end of the list once we've

[0:45:15] Voice 19: covered things like first nations and and the other elements listed because um yeah it looks

[0:45:23] Voice 19: like everything listed there will take a lot of time on

[0:45:37] Voice 11: the question of time um how how does what

[0:45:44] Voice 11: what we do interface with other bodies so how so go back to an observation that stephan had

[0:45:56] Voice 11: about implementation not necessarily aligning with the recommendations and what have you

[0:46:05] Voice 11: um so this uh louis you point out this is this is a fairly long duration

[0:46:18] Voice 11: and do we have to be what concern do we need to have with respect to it's too long

[0:46:27] Voice 11: we're missing other critical events with respect to dependencies we might have with

[0:46:37] Voice 11: other government bodies or what have you a and then b can we speed this up or do we overwhelm

[0:46:47] Voice 11: staff?

[0:46:51] Voice 13: So, Claire, I assume you want me to answer this one as well. I don't know how we can speed

[0:46:58] Voice 13: it up, so to speak, because there's just a lot of information for staff to research and to put

[0:47:05] Voice 13: it together and for you to review. But before I go too far, I just want to point out, in terms of

[0:47:12] Voice 13: the Ganges governance, I feel partly it's my fault to even add it there. It was from a prior plan,

[0:47:18] Voice 13: and we just want to respect those elements to consider those and it's not that's why I kept

[0:47:27] Voice 13: saying it's not casting stone after you talk about it maybe even throughout the discussions

[0:47:33] Voice 13: a few months later you might feel there are some elements that need to be incorporated

[0:47:38] Voice 13: you it's with your within your prerogative to amend it to make it work because the goal is to

[0:47:45] Voice 13: to make sure the area plan address everything holistically.

[0:47:49] Voice 13: So, and the other thing I want to point out

[0:47:51] Voice 13: is probably putting the work plan

[0:47:53] Voice 13: as the third item on the agenda

[0:47:55] Voice 13: may not work very well now that I realize,

[0:47:59] Voice 13: because a lot of the information

[0:48:01] Voice 13: I was going to provide under administrative report

[0:48:05] Voice 13: may have answered a lot of your questions.

[0:48:07] Voice 13: So David, that was a great question.

[0:48:09] Voice 13: And to answer your question about other agencies.

[0:48:12] Voice 13: So in addition to me managing the task force, I also have a technical working group, and they work on two projects, the big projects on South Spring Island.

[0:48:26] Voice 13: One is the Housing Action Program and the Ganges Village Area Plan.

[0:48:31] Voice 13: There are about 25 people invited, but I can assure you if we get 10, we'll be really lucky.

[0:48:39] Voice 13: A lot of the people are from the same division, so they probably will send just one representative to join the technical working group.

[0:48:48] Voice 13: Agencies such as CRD, Ministry of Transportation, Ministry of Housing, Water District, among others, I can't think off the top of my head.

[0:49:00] Voice 13: So there are the technical working group they meet monthly as well.

[0:49:04] Voice 13: Well, when task force come up with a few things, just off the top of my head, maybe put in a traffic circle in the middle of the Ganges Village intersection.

[0:49:16] Voice 13: Let's say a task force come up with that idea.

[0:49:19] Voice 13: Me, I as staff, I would take it to the technical working group and say, this is what the task force proposed.

[0:49:26] Voice 13: And they're going to say, A, there's no money. B, there's not enough right away. And C, there's, you know, logistical issues, blah, blah, blah.

[0:49:33] Voice 13: and then I can take it back to you so there is a continuous communication between the two groups

[0:49:40] Voice 13: and as stated in the terms of reference when it comes time to let's say you have some really

[0:49:47] Voice 13: pressing hot button issues that you feel you really need some expert opinion on that I can

[0:49:56] Voice 13: go to the technical working group and see if someone can be the you know kind of the guest

[0:50:01] Voice 13: to join the task force on that particular meeting

[0:50:05] Voice 13: and answer your question.

[0:50:07] Voice 13: So there is that communication going back and forth.

[0:50:10] Voice 13: In addition to that, as staff,

[0:50:12] Voice 13: we continuously reaching out to community groups.

[0:50:15] Voice 13: We also are going to have ongoing meeting

[0:50:18] Voice 13: with First Nations as well.

[0:50:20] Voice 13: And so every meeting you're going to see on the agenda,

[0:50:25] Voice 13: there are a lot of the summaries

[0:50:27] Voice 13: or proposed idea coming from staff as well.

[0:50:36] Voice 19: Does that answer your question, David?

[0:50:39] Voice 11: It helps a lot. Thank you.

[0:50:42] Voice 19: It seemed like Mike and then Jenny had their hands up.

[0:50:45] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:50:46] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:50:46] Voice 8: I guess one of my questions that's sort of a supplement to what David was asking,

[0:50:52] Voice 8: in addition to the other agencies with whom we're going to be working

[0:50:56] Voice 8: working or requesting information.

[0:51:02] Voice 8: If I'm not mistaken, didn't the local trust committee send out this directive to form

[0:51:10] Voice 8: both the housing committee and this task force as part of their priorities?

[0:51:17] Voice 8: And if that's the case, is it not better if we can come to some conclusions and make our

[0:51:24] Voice 8: recommendations prior to the election of the new trustees and local trust committee, because

[0:51:34] Voice 8: I think that election is in the fall of 2022. And if we don't conclude our recommendations until

[0:51:42] Voice 8: after that, those that sort of put us in charge of this may not be there in office. And we might

[0:51:49] Voice 8: have a new group saying, oh, that's right. We're glad you did the report, but we're not

[0:51:54] Voice 8: going to pay any attention to it. I guess my concern is continuity and whether or not we have

[0:52:02] Voice 8: a responsibility to respond in time for the current trustees in office on this subject.

[0:52:19] Voice 19: That makes a lot of sense, Mike. So are you proposing changing the

[0:52:30] Voice 19: work plan to have some sort of deliverable or output by?

[0:52:33] Voice 19: Well, I would

[0:52:37] Voice 8: propose that. I think maybe we need further discussion on the timing of the meetings. I'm not suggesting we all want more work to do, but if we could meet every three weeks or something different, if we have all this information to digest and we have a lot of work to do in between, and I agree it is a lot,

[0:53:02] Voice 8: but having meetings a month at a time I think we lose a lot of our momentum and

[0:53:10] Voice 8: if we can put it on a tighter timeline and try to meet it I think that's better

[0:53:17] Voice 8: than allowing it to sort of be extended and and not get the results we want

[0:53:23] Voice 8: early enough I mean I'm not sure I want to put into a motion or a you know an

[0:53:33] Voice 8: an actual motion to sit here and say, let's change the timeline,

[0:53:38] Voice 8: but I think we need to discuss that further and think about it.

[0:53:45] Voice 13: So, Chair, as staff, I'm a little bit concerned about that

[0:53:53] Voice 13: because we don't have just this task force to manage.

[0:53:56] Voice 13: I personally have another task force and multiple meetings with First Nations,

[0:54:02] Voice 13: organizations technical working group LTC meeting and all the other internal meetings on top of

[0:54:08] Voice 13: having to do research and put things together so it's going to be challenging to have a shorter

[0:54:14] Voice 13: time frame and this is established schedule so I'm not sure how to change that and I do agree

[0:54:21] Voice 13: it is challenging to try and get so much done a lot of the work need to be done is really on staff

[0:54:30] Voice 13: staff, not so much on the task force. The task force is to brainstorm with ideas and

[0:54:36] Voice 13: make recommendations for us to look at things. We'll bring it back to you. So for us to do

[0:54:42] Voice 13: a lot of work, it's difficult to manage. This is an open meeting for the task force. So

[0:54:50] Voice 13: it's not just impacting the planners that's working on the project, but also technical

[0:54:55] Voice 13: staff and and also the person who have to take the minutes so I just want you

[0:55:00] Voice 13: to keep that in mind I appreciate the concern and we have the same concern and

[0:55:06] Voice 13: this is a very aggressive timeline but to just I was looking at the work plan

[0:55:11] Voice 13: schedule and just want to share with you a lot of the work it's really staff's

[0:55:16] Voice 13: time it's not so much of the task force we take directions from you and we put

[0:55:21] Voice 13: put things together um we time it to july 2020 that you should be able to wrap up the discussion

[0:55:30] Voice 13: and the the time that's kind of stretched out to 2023 is the legal process is the uh the area plan

[0:55:39] Voice 13: draft going through review going through uh adoption process ticket to the planning commission

[0:55:46] Voice 13: recommendation to uh to the ltc and to the ministry so the tail end that's why it's spread

[0:55:53] Voice 13: out so much it's because the legal timeline restriction um so that that does that make sense

[0:56:00] Voice 13: it

[0:56:04] Voice 19: also looks like maybe the draft plan will be out in july or something ahead of the election

[0:56:10] Voice 19: if it's in 2022 which is good yeah

[0:56:14] Voice 13: we're trying we're going to do our best to try and get something

[0:56:17] Voice 13: before that time for you um

[0:56:21] Voice 19: jenny did you have something you wanted to add yes

[0:56:26] Voice 15: so i'm on a

[0:56:27] Voice 15: different topic than that but that's interesting to develop the idea of understanding why we're

[0:56:35] Voice 15: on a longer stretch more stretched out timeline for the task force because i would agree with

[0:56:40] Voice 15: mike about condensing that but i understand what louise is saying um and that was interesting while

[0:56:46] Voice 15: I formulated my questions. You also explained in the meantime about how we're working and interfacing with other commissions and groups on Salt Spring Island.

[0:56:57] Voice 15: One thing that may be more important later is we're in the working process, but there's a lot of contradictory ideas in the 2007 report, and I can see that they didn't come through because they oppose each other.

[0:57:13] Voice 15: So, I think that maybe we'll develop within this task force some very strong vision that we have worked out amongst ourselves. I would hope so, but I know this is maybe too far ahead to say this, but that way we understand what's possible and what's not possible because certain things that have been done since 2007 weren't really under the jurisdiction of the Islands Trust.

[0:57:35] Voice 15: so it just went ahead i'm not going to mention specific things but um it's it's just something

[0:57:41] Voice 15: i'm thinking about with our group and that's all so i'll leave it at that thanks

[0:57:49] Voice 19: jenny sebastian

[0:57:52] Voice 19: yeah

[0:57:52] Voice 16: i i think that it merits a longer conversation amongst us around the uh

[0:58:01] Voice 16: the degree to which we interface with other groups and how we do that and um as part of that

[0:58:08] Voice 16: conversation i think we need to uh come to a mutual some sort of understanding that we

[0:58:16] Voice 16: that we all accept over the extent to which we are bound and restricted

[0:58:21] Voice 16: by the mandate and authority or jurisdiction of the of the island's trust um and uh as you can

[0:58:30] Voice 16: see from the work plan there is a and as comments have already been made we're given a task and the

[0:58:39] Voice 16: the task is largely to produce some documents or to revise existing legal documents. And

[0:58:44] Voice 16: to the extent that that drives all of our work, it pessimizes hugely the outcome. And I've been

[0:58:52] Voice 16: through this already. I was the primary author of that document that's attached to our work plan,

[0:58:59] Voice 16: mostly because we didn't have anybody else to do that work. I mean, in between the meetings,

[0:59:03] Voice 16: somebody has to do work and the success of this group will largely depend upon useful functional

[0:59:10] Voice 16: productive work happening in between the meetings but who's doing that and and if we we have some

[0:59:16] Voice 16: you know something useful to look at and discuss we will work well as a group but if it's just a

[0:59:22] Voice 16: bunch of time goes by and overworked staff or underskilled staff or so forth at our trust

[0:59:28] Voice 16: planning office try and take on some of this stuff we will have a lot of difficulty to generate

[0:59:34] Voice 16: success and to have a good working relationship as a as a task force I know that my experience and

[0:59:41] Voice 16: sorry if I'm talking too long here but it was painful last time to go through so many great

[0:59:47] Voice 16: ideas and have so little executed I won't say I won't even mention this again I promise but

[0:59:52] Voice 16: But part of the issue was when it came to the OCP

[0:59:56] Voice 16: and the land use by-law, they are extremely.

[1:00:00] Voice 16: restrictive documents and people come in who say you can't say that you want to say this and it's

[1:00:04] Voice 16: all legal and all of the great ideas there's no creative way of addressing things and working with

[1:00:10] Voice 16: the other jurisdictions it's everything falls in between people say well they don't even have the

[1:00:15] Voice 16: money for the ferry fare to come over and join our meeting like transportation wouldn't come and meet

[1:00:20] Voice 16: with us because they couldn't pay for the ferry and you go what are we talking about here who's

[1:00:25] Voice 16: really in charge and ultimately if I had my say it wouldn't be the local trust committee the local

[1:00:34] Voice 16: trust committee would be the secretariat to a board made up of all the groups involved and this

[1:00:39] Voice 16: would be a proper strategic plan for the village and then each and each participating group would

[1:00:47] Voice 16: agree to use their staff and funds and authority to execute the vision and objectives that we

[1:00:55] Voice 16: all come up with as a group now that may be extremely idealistic i realize but in fact

[1:01:02] Voice 16: we pessimize ourselves hugely by constantly reminding ourselves that we're working for

[1:01:06] Voice 16: the ltc and trying to produce some documents and that we have to fit everything we're talking about

[1:01:12] Voice 16: into what's going to fit in those documents and what is actually authorized by the province for

[1:01:19] Voice 16: the ltc to take on in terms of issues and i think it's especially problematic given how out of date

[1:01:27] Voice 16: the uh the local trust uh the preserve and protect mandate is in fact historically it

[1:01:33] Voice 16: was tremendously innovative but now it's it does not reflect at all what's possible here and i

[1:01:39] Voice 16: think that uh you know to just deal with land use or land area plans without looking at more spatial

[1:01:47] Voice 16: issues and without looking at infrastructure now i'm not i notice it's it's listed here

[1:01:52] Voice 16: it's something we're going to discuss but you do run into problems if all we're doing is

[1:01:57] Voice 16: feeding ideas to a group that's meeting anyways with their own agenda and they're commenting on

[1:02:02] Voice 16: it they're not actually bought in here they're not participating they're not like a board they're

[1:02:08] Voice 16: not um engaged enough and i worry about the long the impact over the next year and a half

[1:02:16] Voice 16: on what we do if we don't get them more engaged at this time in the whole

[1:02:23] Voice 16: exercise and give them some ownership as well maybe I'm being far too ambitious

[1:02:29] Voice 16: and I can I'm sure some of you will tell me that but I am talking from experience

[1:02:34] Voice 16: here but if we ultimately restrict what we're talking about to what can fit into

[1:02:39] Voice 16: the OCP and the Andrews bylaw then it's going to be a disappointing experience

[1:02:45] Voice 16: in the end. I'm not sure how we get around that, but I think I would like to see a little bit more

[1:02:51] Voice 16: discussion happening before we accept that as our scope right now, because we're not going to

[1:02:56] Voice 16: achieve our objectives, in my view, if we accept this limited scope that's being presented.

[1:03:04] Voice 19: David?

[1:03:06] Voice 11: I don't know how much I was doing this when Jenny and Sebastian were speaking, but

[1:03:13] Voice 11: firstly, Sebastian, if you were the primary author of this wonderful document that was sent to me,

[1:03:18] Voice 11: i i kept reading it and i highlighted it extensively going this is fantastic this

[1:03:23] Voice 11: is fantastic i'm not sure what we're doing but this is great why don't we do that um

[1:03:31] Voice 11: uh and as an aside i had to laugh about the the ferry experience because uh

[1:03:37] Voice 11: doing solar projects the province of ontario we've been faced with ministry of environment

[1:03:41] Voice 11: environment. And I got so frustrated with their lack of knowledge of what a solar panel even was,

[1:03:48] Voice 11: I offered to pay for a bus that would take them to my competitors' projects. And they told me,

[1:03:53] Voice 11: no, no, no, if you pay for it, we can't go. What are we doing here? You don't even know what solar

[1:04:00] Voice 11: is. Anyhow, but on the points that Jenny and Sebastian made and thinking about the timeline,

[1:04:15] Voice 11: And looking at this task ahead of the meeting, the first thing that came to mind was, is it possible to get some sort of report card on what the recommendations in the 2007 plan were, what the status is now?

[1:04:34] Voice 11: And for those items that are ongoing or expected to be complete but not complete, and or those which have not been addressed, and there's probably a couple of different categories there,

[1:05:00] Voice 11: there. Is it possible for this group to get, like I say, a report card on what came there?

[1:05:10] Voice 11: Because that would really help, I think, in terms of understanding this better,

[1:05:18] Voice 11: should it be modified or not, and understanding the work plan. Maybe we have a lot to do. Maybe

[1:05:23] Voice 11: we can't do it because we run into an ALR restriction that there's no way we will ever

[1:05:29] Voice 11: get a mandate to change is is that a reasonable request is

[1:05:36] Voice 19: that a reasonable request silence trust

[1:05:40] Voice 13: so chair uh we'll be happy to take a look at that and see what we can do uh to look at the uh the

[1:05:47] Voice 13: report from 2007 to see what's being implemented majority of them my understanding it's already

[1:05:56] Voice 13: already incorporated in the OCP, but certainly there are some policies that we can put something

[1:06:03] Voice 13: together, and hopefully before the next meeting, the sooner we can send something over to the group,

[1:06:10] Voice 13: we can do that.

[1:06:12] Voice 19: And maybe more of a report card, sorry if I wasn't understanding completely,

[1:06:17] Voice 19: David, what you're asking, but not only was it moved into the OCP, but were any of the proposed

[1:06:24] Voice 19: proposed items kind of realized in Ganges.

[1:06:33] Voice 11: Right, yeah, so some things have been done

[1:06:34] Voice 11: like the bike, part of the bike lane, right?

[1:06:37] Voice 11: But if you read what's in the 2007 plan,

[1:06:40] Voice 11: there's a lot more scope in there that was accepted,

[1:06:43] Voice 11: adopted, but doesn't appear to have much work against it.

[1:06:47] Voice 11: So just going through that, you know,

[1:06:53] Voice 11: and perhaps this is part of me being new

[1:06:55] Voice 11: to Salt Spring is I, you know, I'm like,

[1:06:58] Voice 11: these are all great, are they done?

[1:06:59] Voice 11: Are they accepted?

[1:07:00] Voice 11: Is there a budget?

[1:07:02] Voice 11: Is there a schedule?

[1:07:04] Voice 11: Or no, we had to shelve all of these things.

[1:07:08] Voice 11: And yes, Stefan touched on it earlier,

[1:07:10] Voice 11: Sebastian and Jenny just mentioned it.

[1:07:14] Voice 11: So it appears that things have not been done,

[1:07:19] Voice 11: but I don't know, is that because they can't be done?

[1:07:22] Voice 11: Is that because something else needs to change? The law changed, First Nations consultations

[1:07:30] Voice 11: became an issue. Where are we at?

[1:07:35] Voice 19: That's a really clear request and I think it would help us all

[1:07:39] Voice 19: understand what's possible right now with the current regulations. I guess I'm getting the

[1:07:46] Voice 19: signal that we're supposed to move on to another part of the agenda. Did you want to add something

[1:07:51] Voice 19: brief jenny i

[1:07:53] Voice 15: yeah like i think that uh to be quite honest a lot of the plans that have come

[1:07:58] Voice 15: out of salt spring have never captured my imagination and i've been really lucky to

[1:08:06] Voice 15: even though i'm older mom i still have a school-aged child who's my youngest and i saw

[1:08:11] Voice 15: great things happen like robin did great things because i know in the pack for years they said

[1:08:16] Voice 15: they couldn't garden the hill by salt spring elementary then robin came in and gardened the

[1:08:20] Voice 15: hill and made the cob house and i'd seen something on pender in the years previous where they had this

[1:08:25] Voice 15: great cob house they used it to cook pizza and they had solar all over the school and then i

[1:08:31] Voice 15: thought maybe salt spring island will never have solar on the roof they'll never have a cob house

[1:08:36] Voice 15: and then just within a very short time and based on robin it just all happened and it was really

[1:08:41] Voice 15: cool so you know that was attributed to john f kennedy i don't know if he even wrote it or not

[1:08:47] Voice 15: but that the future is for the idea is something that's never been done before so i really hope

[1:08:52] Voice 15: i almost just hope not to keep hearing the same tired i'm not i don't want to be negative but

[1:08:57] Voice 15: we have been through something that everybody on salt spring except for me seems to agree

[1:09:02] Voice 15: some kind of a community vision it's totally not my community vision and i'd like to bring

[1:09:07] Voice 15: in some other things but that's that's all for now yeah i

[1:09:10] Voice 19: guess i would want i wonder uh if david

[1:09:13] Voice 19: if in an interest Mike was talking about you know working between meetings if if you could

[1:09:19] Voice 19: like create some kind of a google spreadsheet that lists those and we we kind of work on it

[1:09:26] Voice 19: as a task force and ask the staff to correct and comment on this google sheet so we have some kind

[1:09:33] Voice 19: of understanding of why certain things didn't happen or where they are in process is that

[1:09:41] Voice 19: I

[1:09:41] Voice 13: am not really sure how to do that. I like the idea, but because under open meeting law, you cannot really have a lot of discussions outside this meeting because of the transparency requirement.

[1:09:56] Voice 13: So I will say you could certainly drop something and send it to me. So I will be your point of contact about information. And in fact, I was going to encourage you.

[1:10:08] Voice 13: each members if you have some comments or questions you can send it to me and in respond i will filter

[1:10:16] Voice 13: the information to the group or bring it to the next meeting and when i um and this is the

[1:10:23] Voice 13: orientation is coming up in the next minute we're already five minutes into the next item

[1:10:28] Voice 13: but i just want to mention that when i do send information out i will like to remind you do not

[1:10:34] Voice 13: hit reply all you just take it as an information and just receive it but not uh have a conversation

[1:10:42] Voice 13: back and forth through email because that's i don't think that's appropriate way of it's like

[1:10:48] Voice 13: having a meeting outside a meeting so stephan probably want to correct me hi

[1:10:55] Voice 6: everybody sorry

[1:10:56] Voice 6: to jump in i have been listening great discussion some of the directions are were anticipated

[1:11:02] Voice 6: I really I'm hearing you loud and clear about the report card idea I would ask that you make a resolution requesting staff to do so that that keeps us keeps it in a follow-up action list it makes it clear to the LDC what you've asked for and it just keeps that moving along so that's my only reason to chime in you discussion is just discussion resolutions are what move us so welcome to welcome to a task force

[1:11:30] Voice 11: i i can graph that and put it in chat does that work the

[1:11:36] Voice 19: resolution request yeah i can

[1:11:40] Voice 11: draft a motion it's half drafted we

[1:11:43] Voice 6: can also sort of get a share screen we can ask uh rob to share

[1:11:48] Voice 6: a screen and he can open up a word document and type out the words that you are thinking so that

[1:11:53] Voice 6: the group agrees sorry thanks madam chair

[1:11:57] Voice 14: i know i was just gonna say um that generally we we

[1:12:00] Voice 14: We discourage the use of chat, but in the case of a resolution, sometimes it does help to write things out and formulate it, but then to share it with everybody.

[1:12:14] Voice 11: Yeah, I have a very cluttered screen, so sharing my screen would be a disaster for a room, clothes and stuff.

[1:12:22] Voice 11: i

[1:12:23] Voice 15: am personally disagree with the report card idea because it insinuates that we're accepting

[1:12:29] Voice 15: the same vision that we had in 2007 so we're that way we're just working on the same template and

[1:12:35] Voice 15: behaving as if we are just continuing on what was decided and a lot of things have changed that some

[1:12:43] Voice 15: 14 years ago and i think for anybody who knows the island it's fairly obvious why a lot of that

[1:12:49] Voice 15: stuff didn't work out and I think we should try to create a new vision and I think we can just

[1:12:55] Voice 15: read that and understand that easily amongst ourselves without getting a resolution for

[1:12:58] Voice 15: report card that's my input thank

[1:13:01] Voice 19: you Jenny what if uh we didn't call it a report card and called

[1:13:04] Voice 19: it more like status or something or past implementation or something would that feel

[1:13:12] Voice 15: better it's still accepting that that's the actually the direction that we want to go in and

[1:13:17] Voice 15: And I don't want to go in that direction from 2007.

[1:13:20] Voice 15: So it's accepting that.

[1:13:23] Voice 15: I don't know.

[1:13:23] Voice 15: That's just where I'm at.

[1:13:25] Voice 9: Can I chime in here, Robin?

[1:13:28] Voice 15: Yes, thanks, Bob.

[1:13:29] Voice 15: Sorry.

[1:13:29] Voice 9: Yeah, sorry, I had my hand up.

[1:13:31] Voice 9: But I think, first of all, I agree with David.

[1:13:34] Voice 9: I think we need to know where we stand.

[1:13:36] Voice 9: In particular, I was looking at Objective 6, which says complete a continuous marine walkway.

[1:13:42] Voice 9: I'd just like to know where that stands right now.

[1:13:44] Voice 9: I'd like to get a quick feedback because I know there's a committee that's been

[1:13:47] Voice 9: working on it so I would just like here's where we stand so we can decide

[1:13:52] Voice 9: where we go but at Jenny I don't think that by getting a report card or status

[1:13:58] Voice 9: report or whatever on what things are in any way accepts that these are the

[1:14:03] Voice 9: things that need to be done that's our job

[1:14:07] Voice 19: David are you drafting a resolution

[1:14:17] Voice 19: Did you have any comments on this?

[1:14:25] Voice 8: Yeah, I would just like to echo that I appreciate Bob's viewpoint, and I think, Jenny, he's right in that even if we get a report card or we decide on the status of what has happened with the decisions that were presented back in 2007, we have a better idea of what works and what doesn't.

[1:14:47] Voice 8: And perhaps what the framework is within which we have to work, but it doesn't mean we're

[1:14:52] Voice 8: endorsing it and saying, yes, it was a great report, let's stick with it and just continue

[1:14:59] Voice 8: to get these things done from 2007.

[1:15:03] Voice 8: So like you, Jenny, I think that we need to do our own research, our own efforts and make

[1:15:10] Voice 8: our own decisions on what is pertinent to today and relevant to today and not look back

[1:15:17] Voice 8: at 2007 when we had a very different environment so I think that's part of

[1:15:23] Voice 8: the reason that this is good to have a task force today and and now so that's

[1:15:27] Voice 8: good all

[1:15:29] Voice 16: right can I jump in here I agree with what Bob just said and I

[1:15:37] Voice 16: don't think it restricts us it just makes this more up-to-date and more

[1:15:41] Voice 16: understandable and I'm so curious to hear from Jenny what our vision it has

[1:15:47] Voice 16: has been and will be different, but that will have to come at another time, but in terms

[1:15:53] Voice 16: of situating ourselves and understanding what's happened already, between that 2007 work,

[1:16:00] Voice 16: which included a lot more than this document, I might add, it was a whole design charrette,

[1:16:05] Voice 16: there was all sorts of presentations and so forth, we're warranted I can provide some

[1:16:10] Voice 16: of that material, but there's also been a lot of good work done, as everybody knows,

[1:16:15] Voice 16: in a whole bunch of different areas from from the housing affordability and

[1:16:20] Voice 16: pathways to the economic plan and the farm plan and each of those

[1:16:26] Voice 16: needs to be looked at by somebody and we should draw out the key messages for

[1:16:31] Voice 16: Ganges and village design from each of those so that we don't ignore the work

[1:16:35] Voice 16: that's already been done that contributes to what we're doing and we

[1:16:39] Voice 16: can just take pieces of those things so I mean there's a bunch of great planning

[1:16:43] Voice 16: exercises the climate change one is unbelievable i'm listening to i think it's really good

[1:16:47] Voice 16: we need to draw from each of those now so we can start to like a lego system build together our

[1:16:54] Voice 16: first draft from work that's already been done and it's more current and i'm wondering who's doing

[1:17:00] Voice 16: that because that's almost the next step i

[1:17:11] Voice 19: mean could we make a is that something that then we

[1:17:15] Voice 19: would make a resolution to request summary of relevant to ganji info from various plans since

[1:17:21] Voice 19: 2007 that's very rough there but um so

[1:17:24] Voice 11: so i'm drafted if you want i can now try and share screen

[1:17:31] Voice 19: um just a second david so um in response to bastion's question then uh louisa could we

[1:17:41] Voice 19: request a sort of annotated summary of relevant salt spring island plans as they relate to this

[1:17:51] Voice 19: Ganges update from staff next meeting chair

[1:18:01] Voice 13: I think we can make a very simple

[1:18:04] Voice 13: motion basically just start request staff to provide some status of day on

[1:18:09] Voice 13: the 2007 plan

[1:18:11] Voice 19: okay and yeah on top of that it's a another request on some kind

[1:18:18] Voice 19: of um the related related what would you say sebastian

[1:18:26] Voice 16: it's the yeah it's i guess uh it's

[1:18:34] Voice 16: extracting most important pieces from current plans and other areas that we should think about

[1:18:43] Voice 16: incorporating into what we're doing since they've already presumably had a lot of thought and public

[1:18:47] Voice 16: input and they can help us move quickly and avoid contradictions and so forth

[1:18:55] Voice 16: as Jenny was talking about. It's kind of a fun task I mean maybe it's something that you

[1:19:08] Voice 16: know a group of us can take on. I'm worried about putting too much on the

[1:19:14] Voice 16: desks of the staff at the trust here but maybe maybe there's another way because we don't

[1:19:26] Voice 16: actually have a dedicated person working on just this at the trust is that correct

[1:19:31] Voice 16: who do we actually have to to do work for us in between meetings that we can trust won't be

[1:19:44] Voice 16: drawn away by other urgent issues or requests from the LTC or other areas? Who do we have?

[1:19:53] Voice 13: So, Chair, you're looking at her right now. I'm not sure how to answer that question.

[1:20:02] Voice 13: But one thing, I'm sorry, I have to bring you all back on track with the agenda. I think we've got

[1:20:10] Voice 13: But a little bit beyond accepting the work plan,

[1:20:13] Voice 13: we starting to talk about things

[1:20:15] Voice 13: that we could talk about at the next meeting.

[1:20:18] Voice 13: This is really the first introduction meeting

[1:20:21] Voice 13: and by legal requirement,

[1:20:26] Voice 13: you do need to go through the orientation.

[1:20:28] Voice 13: So I like to ask that you make a brief motion

[1:20:31] Voice 13: to request staff to bring in a status update

[1:20:34] Voice 13: and we can go from there at the next meeting.

[1:20:39] Voice 13: Okay,

[1:20:40] Voice 10: so I'm ready with that. Am I good?

[1:20:46] Voice 19: Yes. Does that sound acceptable or did you want to

[1:20:49] Voice 19: word it in another way?

[1:20:57] Voice 11: Is that, can you people see what I've got on my screen?

[1:21:01] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:21:09] Voice 13: I'm sorry, could I have that a bit bigger? I cannot really read it.

[1:21:18] Voice 10: There's a way to do that.

[1:21:20] Voice 19: Oh, down in the lower right or left, right corner.

[1:21:25] Voice 13: That's okay, I think I can see it now.

[1:21:27] Voice 13: No,

[1:21:30] Voice 10: that does not, but I'll do it.

[1:21:34] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:21:43] Voice 9: Nice job, David.

[1:21:54] Voice 10: So I move this.

[1:21:56] Voice 8: I'll second it.

[1:21:59] Voice 8: That's Mike.

[1:22:00] Voice 8: All in favor?

[1:22:09] Voice 18: Is that what we're doing?

[1:22:10] Voice 18: All in favor?

[1:22:15] Voice 18: Raise your hand.

[1:22:20] Voice 19: I can't see everyone, but I think that's the majority.

[1:22:23] Voice 19: All opposed?

[1:22:29] Voice 19: John.

[1:22:29] Voice 19: Okay.

[1:22:33] Voice 19: So I think that request is passed.

[1:22:39] Voice 10: stop sharing so

[1:22:41] Voice 14: if I may ask David if you could email that to me sure or email it to

[1:22:52] Voice 14: use that that's fine too just for the for the record thank you all

[1:23:00] Voice 19: right onward thank you

[1:23:02] Voice 19: Louisa for keeping us on tap so

[1:23:12] Voice 14: we'll move on to the orientation then chair ah yes indeed okay

[1:23:17] Voice 14: Okay. All right. Well, thank you again, everyone, for being here today. And I'm going to see if I

[1:23:24] Voice 14: can share my screen. And can everybody see that? I see a few nods. All right.

[1:23:36] Voice 14: The orientation will cover a few key points here. We, oh, just a moment. Yeah, the session outline.

[1:23:46] Voice 14: line here we go we've got some topics such as task force business your roles meeting procedures

[1:23:54] Voice 14: which will go into more depth with the chair training at a later date we're going to touch

[1:24:03] Voice 14: on administrative fairness what is conflict of interest and the freedom of information and

[1:24:10] Voice 14: and Protection of Privacy Act. Questions are welcome as we go along, but there will be an

[1:24:17] Voice 14: opportunity at the end of the orientation.

[1:24:22] Voice 15: All right,

[1:24:23] Voice 14: so just a couple of housekeeping items

[1:24:25] Voice 14: here. You have reserved meeting dates as it stands right now, which is the third Thursday of every

[1:24:32] Voice 14: month. You can anticipate an agenda to be emailed to you approximately one week before the meeting.

[1:24:39] Voice 14: The Task Force serves as a special project advisory planning commission, which means that you do have some of those guiding documents that pertain to APCs, such as the by-law and the Terms of Reference.

[1:25:02] Voice 14: Additionally, you will have the Land Use By-law and the Official Community Plan. Those will be important documents during your discussions and deliberations.

[1:25:11] Voice 14: links to these documents will all be forthcoming and emailed to you public's role at the meeting

[1:25:29] Voice 14: now things are a little bit different since we are online uh but normally and as it is even

[1:25:36] Voice 14: electronically uh these meetings are open to the public uh for example this is being live streamed

[1:25:43] Voice 14: and so somebody could be watching um that being said uh what is important is that the the proper

[1:25:50] Voice 14: The proper form for the public's voice is through the local trust committee. You have been appointed to this task force because of your personal expertise, your experience, your knowledge, your commitment to the community.

[1:26:03] Voice 14: community. But again, this is an open gathering, an open meeting. And we do say that the public

[1:26:16] Voice 14: is invited to speak at the decision of the chair, which is a bit of a challenge at this point

[1:26:25] Voice 14: through a web-based situation, but I ask that you keep in mind that if you invite the public to

[1:26:35] Voice 14: speak, that they do come to the point of view that may not be shared by the task force members,

[1:26:45] Voice 14: and they are taking away your time for deliberation and discussion amongst your

[1:26:53] Voice 14: your expert selves. All right. Talking about meeting attendance, your attendance is vital to

[1:27:06] Voice 14: the success of this task force. The assumption is that you will attend and please contact staff,

[1:27:14] Voice 14: contact the office if for some reason you cannot and email your regrets. Your regrets could be

[1:27:21] Voice 14: sent to our team email which will be provided to you or calling the main line. A quorum is required

[1:27:28] Voice 14: for meetings to go ahead. Commission meetings are is 50 percent of those appointed. So the discussion

[1:27:42] Voice 14: process there's going to be a lot of discussion as we've seen already and so the rules of decorum

[1:27:49] Voice 14: do apply uh members remaining courteous avoiding personal attacks and engaging and respectful

[1:27:56] Voice 14: and spirited discussion as the various topics are are brought to light and i i know that louisa

[1:28:06] Voice 14: touched on this uh earlier but uh we also ask that um that discussion uh that members refrain

[1:28:15] Voice 14: to refrain from discussing topics outside of a scheduled meeting.

[1:28:20] Voice 14: Even a discussion amongst yourselves via email is considered a meeting,

[1:28:26] Voice 14: and it would not be open or transparent.

[1:28:29] Voice 14: Yes, Mr. Booth.

[1:28:35] Voice 7: Hi.

[1:28:36] Voice 7: Yeah, I'd like to delve into that just a second.

[1:28:39] Voice 7: My understanding, and I stand to be corrected, but as an example,

[1:28:44] Voice 7: with a municipality where you have nine members of a council or seven members of a council and

[1:28:52] Voice 7: mayor that members of the council are allowed to talk to each other on even on an application as

[1:28:59] Voice 7: long as there is not a quorum present so no decisions are being made there's discussion

[1:29:06] Voice 7: going on but there's no decisions being made because there's no quorum now how is it that

[1:29:13] Voice 7: if this process is different than that process as far as open meetings.

[1:29:19] Voice 14: So the example, okay, let's use the example that Louisa brought up earlier

[1:29:23] Voice 14: where she emailed, say, an agenda to everybody.

[1:29:28] Voice 14: And somebody hit reply all and provided a comment

[1:29:34] Voice 14: and opened up the potential for discussion.

[1:29:39] Voice 14: That is creating a meeting setting for discussion, but it's outside of a scheduled meeting, and conversation is taking place, which should be, in this case, broadcast such as this.

[1:30:00] Voice 14: you're talking about a discussion. A discussion is, yes, a quorum. And I note that not everybody

[1:30:06] Voice 14: is here today, but we do have a quorum. Is your concern about meeting other participants outside

[1:30:15] Voice 14: and to touch on topics or try to get work done somehow achieve the timeline?

[1:30:23] Voice 14: line?

[1:30:23] Voice 7: Yes, pretty much all of the above. This is a visionary process. And people in looking at

[1:30:34] Voice 7: all the different topics that are involved here, a lot of vision is required. And we're restricted

[1:30:40] Voice 7: to these two-hour time limits on a meeting basis. But as an example, two or three or four people

[1:30:48] Voice 7: getting together to discuss a particular topic, as an example, housing, I don't see that as anything

[1:30:54] Voice 7: but positive. Now, coming out of that discussion, it's brought forward on the next meeting to be

[1:31:01] Voice 7: able to say, listen, we've been talking, and this is on an ongoing basis. I talk to people about

[1:31:08] Voice 7: housing virtually every single day. So to be able to move this forward as a group and to bring

[1:31:16] Voice 7: forward ideas um and concerns etc i see it as a method of of helping to further the discussion

[1:31:24] Voice 7: along yes the discussion is going to happen at the at the monthly meetings and decisions will be made

[1:31:31] Voice 7: motions will be brought forward etc but the actual impact as far as any resolution that we have

[1:31:40] Voice 7: Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but it really doesn't have any force of law.

[1:31:46] Voice 7: These are recommendations, and the recommendations are done to the LTC.

[1:31:50] Voice 7: The LTC is the one that is going to be making any kind of a legal decision with respect to a change in the OCP or the bylaws.

[1:31:58] Voice 14: Absolutely.

[1:31:59] Voice 14: This is a recommendation-based group.

[1:32:05] Voice 14: I'm sorry, Louisa, you?

[1:32:07] Voice 14: Yeah,

[1:32:08] Voice 13: I think, Eric, I agree with you. Sometimes you do that two hours a month is not going to be very effective. I think the key is not having a forum discussion. But most importantly, when you discuss outside the meeting, you need to disclose it at the next meeting.

[1:32:25] Voice 13: You can say, as a group, we explore these options, we talk about this, and it's not having a habit of consistently having these three people meet regularly or four people outside.

[1:32:37] Voice 13: You form a subcommittee, you no longer speak in the voice of a task force.

[1:32:42] Voice 13: So just be cognizant of that.

[1:32:44] Voice 13: I think that's the main point.

[1:32:47] Voice 13: Danella has quite a long presentation, so maybe just let her run through the presentation.

[1:32:53] Voice 13: She might answer the questions later on and some of the comments will be addressed later on in the PowerPoint.

[1:33:02] Voice 19: Thank you, Eric. That was really helpful for me to hear the answers and not feel like I couldn't talk with any of you about this outside.

[1:33:14] Voice 14: And I do admit I don't know the ins and outs of the project that Planner Garbo has done all this pre-work.

[1:33:23] Voice 14: and so subcommittees would be would be different and bringing that forward as

[1:33:28] Voice 14: she has suggested to the group as a whole to say that what what side work

[1:33:34] Voice 14: has been done in in the interim would be would be a solution to that okay so

[1:33:43] Voice 14: moving on then to motions now the next few slides deal with Roberts rules and

[1:33:50] Voice 14: and I mean watching paint dry might be a little bit more exciting so I apologize

[1:33:54] Voice 14: for that. But basically, we're just going to talk about how to formulate motions, because those

[1:34:01] Voice 14: motions, as Stefan touched on earlier, will allow staff to proceed with work on your behalf. And

[1:34:11] Voice 14: ultimately, during the course of the project, probably more towards the end, those recommendations,

[1:34:17] Voice 14: motions and then recommendations will be forwarded to the local trust committee and essentially it's

[1:34:24] Voice 14: your way of communicating with staff as well as the LTC but maybe I'll take a moment and ask

[1:34:34] Voice 14: planner Garbo to touch on when motions will occur during the course of the project oh you're muted

[1:34:43] Voice 14: Louisa.

[1:34:46] Voice 13: Sorry about that. I think Stefan made a really good recommendation when he early on said,

[1:34:55] Voice 13: you guys want to direct us or request us to do something by resolution. That's a good way to

[1:35:01] Voice 13: approach that. But having said that, you don't have to always make a motion on everything you do

[1:35:07] Voice 13: because it's formal, but also a lot of flexibility for the task force is to give you that opportunity

[1:35:15] Voice 13: to be more organic in running the meeting and but at the end if you want

[1:35:21] Voice 13: us to do something we put back to you and that's when you make a motion to do

[1:35:26] Voice 13: that but don't feel you always have to make a motion to do everything all right

[1:35:34] Voice 14: so these tips motion should be phrased in a clear concise manner and they need

[1:35:41] Voice 14: to be moved and seconded some rules of debate the mover of a motion has the right to speak to it

[1:35:49] Voice 14: first the mover may speak to a motion a second time after everyone who wishes to speak to it

[1:35:56] Voice 14: has a chance to a first time and the chair can alternate between proponents during the debate

[1:36:03] Voice 14: especially if it's lengthy or heated and a note about amendments amendments to

[1:36:12] Voice 14: the motions must be relevant to the main motion and they can't be contrary also

[1:36:19] Voice 14: they require a mover and a seconder and they're voted on prior to voting to the

[1:36:25] Voice 14: main motion as amended a debate on the motion should be strictly relevant to

[1:36:31] Voice 14: that motion and the chair recognizes those who wish to speak and just a note about voting which

[1:36:43] Voice 14: is our next topic here the community charter and the local government act set out the general rules

[1:36:50] Voice 14: general voting rules for local governments across the province so the rules about voting each member

[1:36:57] Voice 14: has one vote, the chair votes at the same time as the other members and in a case

[1:37:03] Voice 14: of a tie vote the question is defeated and abstention from voting is considered

[1:37:11] Voice 14: a yes vote. So by sitting out you are saying yes. The vote count is not

[1:37:18] Voice 14: recorded by our minute taker but the result of the vote is carried or

[1:37:23] Voice 14: or defeated. That being said, if you wish to have your contrary vote recorded, you would let the

[1:37:32] Voice 14: chair know who would then request that the minute taker do so. Minutes. Minutes are, the Islands

[1:37:44] Voice 14: Trust uses anecdotal minutes to document a discussion. That being said, that is a short

[1:37:52] Voice 14: account of uh related observations or reports of a topic we include discussion and debate as

[1:37:59] Voice 14: necessary with the case of our apcs we do follow the discussion and so the local trust committee

[1:38:08] Voice 14: can see where uh opinions and debate went uh as opposed to just a very high level decision

[1:38:15] Voice 14: decision. And especially in a case such as this, where it's project related, the Local Trust

[1:38:25] Voice 14: Committee will be looking at where that discussion went and where the priorities are amongst the

[1:38:31] Voice 14: group. The minutes focus, it is on decisions and key points, ideas, and arguments and facts.

[1:38:42] Voice 14: but at the end of it your resolution is presented as a body as a whole so even though everybody

[1:38:53] Voice 14: comes to the table an individual you act as as one and you present yourselves as the Ganges

[1:39:00] Voice 14: village planning task force and just a note the minute taker will usually be Sarah sugar who is

[1:39:09] Voice 14: very valued member of our team. So the minutes draft to adoption, the draft minutes will be

[1:39:19] Voice 14: brought forward to the Local Trust Committee for their future agendas, for their information.

[1:39:27] Voice 14: That being said, the minutes will be also added to any future agendas for your consideration

[1:39:34] Voice 14: consideration for amendments and future adoption.

[1:39:39] Voice 14: If you have any amendments, they will be brought forward at the beginning of the meeting before

[1:39:45] Voice 14: adoption of those minutes.

[1:39:50] Voice 14: Just talk about the administrative fairness and specifically the impartiality rule and

[1:40:00] Voice 14: and how important it is to consider the lack of bias during these discussions.

[1:40:08] Voice 14: The impartiality rule ensures that decision or recommendation makers are free of conflicts of interest and free of bias.

[1:40:19] Voice 14: Everybody comes to the table with a set of values and established points of view, naturally.

[1:40:26] Voice 14: However, some of the definitions of bias are to have a predisposition or a prejudice, a tendency to believe that some people, ideas, etc., are better than others.

[1:40:38] Voice 14: And that could result in treating folks unfairly.

[1:40:43] Voice 14: one could say also a lack of bias is somebody who is one-sided lacking a natural neutral rather

[1:40:52] Voice 14: viewpoint and not coming to the table with an open mind some examples could be people who are

[1:40:59] Voice 14: biased towards an individual a race a religion a social class or a political party so again as

[1:41:12] Voice 14: as mentioned before the task force will make recommendations to the local trust committee

[1:41:16] Voice 14: and not decisions however it is really important that members

[1:41:21] Voice 14: be free of actual or even apparent bias on their recommendations and what does this include

[1:41:29] Voice 14: you need to consider whether you have a bias about a recommendation or not avoiding making

[1:41:35] Voice 14: or implying advanced commitments about the outcome of a decision or a recommendation

[1:41:41] Voice 14: or implying that greater consideration could be given to an individual or a group.

[1:41:54] Voice 14: The lack of bias. How can one be free of actual or apparent bias? This could include, again,

[1:42:05] Voice 14: Oh, was that a double one? I think it was. I think Louisa was going to provide an example, if I'm not mistaken.

[1:42:16] Voice 14: No? Oh, you're still muted. No example. Okay, so I will move on then to this particular slide.

[1:42:30] Voice 14: The main takeaway of the impartiality rule, your task force members must not have personal

[1:42:37] Voice 14: interests that prevent them or appear to prevent them from performing their duties impartially.

[1:42:49] Voice 14: And now we'll move on to conflict of interest. I'll start off with a scenario here.

[1:42:54] Voice 14: A task force member uses their position to promote a recommendation that would result in benefits that they alone would receive.

[1:43:03] Voice 14: The member's actions could taint the process and make it possible that the decisions or recommendations made by the task force could later be challenged.

[1:43:14] Voice 14: As a result, there can be suggestions of conflict of interest that can be difficult to dismiss by fellow members and the organization.

[1:43:22] Voice 14: We ask that members not be offended by a suggestion that they might have a conflict, and they should view it as an effort to uphold the integrity of the decision-making process.

[1:43:36] Voice 14: As Task Force members, many of you are actively engaged in many facets of this small community.

[1:43:43] Voice 14: It's really quite inevitable that you will encounter conflict of interest situations.

[1:43:49] Voice 14: situations and we ask that you know that there are procedural rules designed for these very

[1:43:55] Voice 14: situations and staff is available to help if you have any questions or concerns of any conflicts

[1:44:02] Voice 14: of interest. What is a conflict of interest? It may exist when an individual has a personal

[1:44:14] Voice 14: financial or non-financial interest in a particular matter referred to the task force.

[1:44:20] Voice 14: What is your responsibility? Your responsibility is to determine whether there is a conflict of interest or not, even if it could be perceived.

[1:44:36] Voice 14: And again, if you're unsure, have a conversation with staff and we can discuss whether there is a reasonable consideration of conflict of interest.

[1:44:49] Voice 14: It is up to the commissioner or the task force member to determine and eventually declare it.

[1:45:00] Voice 14: What are some examples of conflict of interest? Relationships. An employer-employee relationship, professional-client relationship, contractual, or family.

[1:45:14] Voice 14: It extends to business and land interests. It could be an ongoing lawsuit.

[1:45:20] Voice 14: suit. And again, lots of us wear different hats in this community. It could be memberships and

[1:45:27] Voice 14: local groups. You could be volunteering for, again, non-profit organizations that, you know,

[1:45:37] Voice 14: they could be included within the scope of this Ganges Village Task Force that you are looking

[1:45:43] Voice 14: into again real or perceived every situation needs to be considered on on its own merits and its own

[1:45:55] Voice 14: facts to maintain fair process you need to ensure that there is no conflict of interest or perceived

[1:46:03] Voice 14: conflict of interest and you know what what is the guidelines that our office uses whether a

[1:46:11] Voice 14: reasonable observer like if somebody was watching us today and would somebody say i think you know

[1:46:17] Voice 14: that person has a conflict of interest they may know who you are in the community or what

[1:46:22] Voice 14: organizations you volunteer in um there yeah you need to understand that uh somebody looking in

[1:46:31] Voice 14: would they consider you to have a conflict of interest you know possible exceptions to a

[1:46:36] Voice 14: conflict of interest when the conflict is so remote that it's unlikely to impair a member's

[1:46:42] Voice 14: ability to act impartially or where the contravention was done inadvertently or because

[1:46:49] Voice 14: of an error in judgment made in good faith thirdly when in doubt again seek advice in advance of the

[1:47:00] Voice 14: meeting if possible. We do have Carmen Thiel, who is the Legislative Services Manager, who

[1:47:08] Voice 14: is certainly a resource to help in these situations. How does one declare a conflict

[1:47:15] Voice 14: of interest? If you believe that you have a conflict of interest or perceived or possible

[1:47:21] Voice 14: conflict, you must declare this and state the general nature of why you consider this to be

[1:47:28] Voice 14: the case uh you are not just declaring it for your your fellow task members and the public but also

[1:47:36] Voice 14: for the record uh after declaring this conflict of interest you may must not remain as part of

[1:47:44] Voice 14: the meeting so normally in an in-person meeting you would actually physically leave the meeting

[1:47:48] Voice 14: in an electronic meeting you would actually physically i guess bow out of the electronic

[1:47:55] Voice 14: meeting you cannot take part in the discussion or nor the vote and this is

[1:48:06] Voice 14: to not have you attempt to influence the voting on the matter and it's the

[1:48:12] Voice 14: responsibility of the chair to ensure that the member is not present at the

[1:48:16] Voice 14: time of the discussion on the matter the islands trust has a standards of conduct

[1:48:23] Voice 14: It applies to all appointed officials, our trustees, and as well as our commission members.

[1:48:34] Voice 14: We ask that, I think, Louisa, you have a handout of official standards of conduct, do you not?

[1:48:43] Voice 14: Okay, so that will be provided to task force members.

[1:48:47] Voice 14: members. But in short, you're encouraged to, yes, communicate with the public about this planning

[1:48:54] Voice 14: process, but we encourage you to play a listening role without debating the issues. And, you know,

[1:49:00] Voice 14: debate should be done amongst task force members on behalf of the group as a whole.

[1:49:09] Voice 14: To speak in the voice of the task force, but not on behalf of the task force. Again,

[1:49:16] Voice 14: Again, you are all individuals, but you are working as one.

[1:49:21] Voice 14: And that's the takeaway from this.

[1:49:24] Voice 14: Refrain from imposing one's personal opinion on an issue.

[1:49:29] Voice 14: Be cognizant of comments made to the public and on social media.

[1:49:33] Voice 14: This is such a big one.

[1:49:35] Voice 14: Social media is such a big part of everybody's life these days.

[1:49:40] Voice 14: but uh really the official uh forum for the tasks task force discussion debate and eventual decision

[1:49:50] Voice 14: or recommendations but your your your motions and your resolutions is through the minutes

[1:49:56] Voice 14: so anything outside of that is really unofficial and uh it should be funneled through the office

[1:50:02] Voice 14: And it says here that misconduct could lead to removal from the task force.

[1:50:14] Voice 14: So some benefits about fairness for our communities.

[1:50:18] Voice 14: It's essential to make good, fair and informed recommendations about these important matters.

[1:50:24] Voice 14: The community has eyes on us.

[1:50:28] Voice 14: Perception and trust that recommendations are made at this local level are open and fair.

[1:50:34] Voice 14: public perception of an organization that upholds fairness transparency uh to this appointed body

[1:50:45] Voice 14: and its recommendations to the local trust committee um also fairness avoids costs and delays

[1:50:54] Voice 14: uh related to complaints and even potentially legal claims some more benefits uh it's it's

[1:51:06] Voice 14: It's the perception that this group will operate in a fair manner, and all the topics brought

[1:51:13] Voice 14: forward to them will be considered openly, transparently, and debated with an open mind.

[1:51:23] Voice 14: Again, because we are open to the public, it is a transparent process, and it avoids

[1:51:31] Voice 14: complaints about fairness with regards to this group.

[1:51:36] Voice 14: Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act. What is it? It's a provincial act. It's been

[1:51:48] Voice 14: around since 1994 and the Islands Trust does fall under this act as a public body. What is its

[1:51:58] Voice 14: purpose? We as public bodies, we become more accountable to the public with this act. We give

[1:52:06] Voice 14: We give people the right to access records, we protect personal privacy, and we give people the opportunity to correct personal information about themselves.

[1:52:19] Voice 14: And it also gives the public body the opportunity to prevent unauthorized collection and disclosure of personal information.

[1:52:30] Voice 14: The rights of access. Members of the public have the right to request access to any record in possession of the public body.

[1:52:41] Voice 14: And that includes records that are created through this task force.

[1:52:47] Voice 14: As task force members, any records that you create or hold concerning this project is subject to this act.

[1:52:57] Voice 14: and you know the request for records includes hard copies electronic copies and emails that

[1:53:04] Voice 14: could pertain to the subject requested and it could extend to your personal email

[1:53:10] Voice 14: and there is a time limit to our FOI requests which is 30 working days

[1:53:20] Voice 14: in general. What is the definition of a record? Again, documents, books, maps, drawings,

[1:53:29] Voice 14: electronic, photographs, it could be a handwritten note, your email, and it even extends

[1:53:37] Voice 14: to social media. And who's processing these requests? It is myself primarily for the

[1:53:49] Voice 14: Salt Spring office, although Carmen Teal is also, she is the head of Freedom of Information

[1:53:57] Voice 14: requests for the Islands Trust. And the last slide here, it talks about limitations on resources,

[1:54:09] Voice 14: and I know that Planner Garbo wanted to speak to this. Oh, you're muted again, Louisa.

[1:54:19] Voice 13: Do you have the slide? I don't remember what are the...

[1:54:22] Voice 14: Oh, my apologies. Yep, there you go.

[1:54:25] Voice 13: um i think this is more stefan i'm not sure if stefan is still here um

[1:54:33] Voice 6: oh there he

[1:54:34] Voice 13: is oh

[1:54:37] Voice 6: um well hey uh hi everybody i'm sure you're all waking up from no offense

[1:54:42] Voice 6: to daniella but foi and bias and stuff like that whoo i was i i was snoozing enjoying this

[1:54:47] Voice 6: i'm

[1:54:47] Voice 4: joking um

[1:54:49] Voice 6: listen you've heard from us and you know it's our job to tell you that uh there's only

[1:54:55] Voice 6: so much of us to go around so please be mindful of trying to ask us to do little things because

[1:55:02] Voice 6: little things add up that's why I said earlier to please do it via resolution if you have any

[1:55:08] Voice 6: particular needs wants questions concerns I recommend that you go through myself because

[1:55:14] Voice 6: because I get paid a salary and they don't care how much I work and so just go ahead and give me

[1:55:20] Voice 6: me a call. And if it's something I can help you with, I will. If it's something that you need a

[1:55:25] Voice 6: task to be performed, please do by resolution. And I heard earlier, too, sort of questions,

[1:55:31] Voice 6: hey, what about this? And how about that? Write down those questions, bring them to the meeting.

[1:55:37] Voice 6: We do have staff working. We're happy to help. But just be mindful that, you know, one-on-one

[1:55:42] Voice 6: staff meetings, you know, we can't really accommodate that for everybody. And because

[1:55:48] Voice 6: Because this project has task forces, it has technical working groups, we're hiring a contractor to get the public engagement going, you will be meeting with that contractor for public engagement to help brainstorm and stuff like that.

[1:56:01] Voice 6: So there's a lot of moving pieces. And every time you put another little jingle block in there, it has a way of, well, potentially collapsing the whole block.

[1:56:09] Voice 6: so if you need anything call me um otherwise if you want the task force to or if you want staff

[1:56:16] Voice 6: to actually produce some work please put it in form of resolution that's my summary i'm going

[1:56:22] Voice 6: to actually ask is there any questions about that right now oh you're still thinking about conflict

[1:56:30] Voice 6: and bias i see i'm

[1:56:34] Voice 15: kind of interested i have a question you're

[1:56:37] Voice 5: the chair ask anything you want

[1:56:38] Voice 5: oh no who asked that was that jenny

[1:56:40] Voice 15: jenny yeah sorry i just

[1:56:42] Voice 5: noticed that robin's still muted

[1:56:44] Voice 5: i'm like how did you

[1:56:44] Voice 15: do that yeah there's two females here in this group uh anyway i wondered

[1:56:50] Voice 15: um who has a right to ask um for emails and like that's a long list of personal information that

[1:56:58] Voice 15: we're also subjected to possibly needing to be transparent around if there is a request um

[1:57:06] Voice 15: is that just any member of the public can request or is it more specified i mean that's something i

[1:57:12] Voice 15: might want to do my own homework on later i'm not expecting you to answer all of that right now but

[1:57:16] Voice 15: that's that's a pretty big broad thing of giving information like personal letters emails maps etc

[1:57:24] Voice 15: yeah i'll

[1:57:25] Voice 6: pass that back to daniela

[1:57:27] Voice 14: well as in with any freedom of information request we look

[1:57:31] Voice 14: at the request and we work with the requester to refine that request but you know your personal

[1:57:36] Voice 14: email, for example, could be subject if there is a Ganges Village planning topic and you

[1:57:44] Voice 14: have records, you know, that could be requested as part of this.

[1:57:50] Voice 14: That being said, you know, the office is the chief record holder, but that is why I say,

[1:57:59] Voice 14: you know if there are if there are if there's work going on outside of uh our meeting and our

[1:58:06] Voice 14: minute taking um outside of what louisa is uh is aware of that's why she's asked any any work

[1:58:13] Voice 14: to be brought forward right so then uh uh if you happen to have subcommittees down the road

[1:58:21] Voice 14: uh that work be brought forward uh accepted as part of the uh the agenda uh recorded in the

[1:58:28] Voice 14: minutes and our office would have a copy of it so um i i guess that's the concern there and that's

[1:58:34] Voice 14: where that stem stems from um uh i don't know if that answers your question jenny but i'm happy to

[1:58:41] Voice 14: to work on this uh in your your questions surrounding this uh later if you have outstanding

[1:58:48] Voice 14: okay great

[1:58:49] Voice 19: okay yeah i was just gonna say we're finishing in in one minute right so is there

[1:58:55] Voice 19: maybe we can move on if you have specific questions you can follow up with Eric who

[1:59:00] Voice 19: knows a lot more about this probably Jenny is that work and then Eric can we just wrap up in

[1:59:08] Voice 19: the next one minute I guess we're skipping the administrative attachments but we all have them

[1:59:15] Voice 19: and then what was your round table that you wanted to do all

[1:59:20] Voice 13: right thank you thank you chair

[1:59:22] Voice 13: The roundtable, the intent is really just to get your feeling of how does it feel after the meeting,

[1:59:31] Voice 13: what are other suggestions you want to include in the next meeting.

[1:59:35] Voice 13: But absence of time, we can always feel free to email it to us if you want to include a specific topic for the next meeting.

[1:59:46] Voice 19: I propose something a little cheesy that we each go around and pick one word that we would

[1:59:53] Voice 19: like to see Ganges demonstrate maybe in the next 50 years or something.

[2:00:00] Voice 19: that reflects either how we feel right now or what we'd like to see um just to close so uh let's see

[2:00:17] Voice 9: i'll start i'll start with pleasant uh

[2:00:31] Voice 15: i'll i'll give a word healthy eric

[2:00:39] Voice 3: sustainable

[2:00:43] Voice 3: i'm gonna say growth john

[2:00:53] Voice 19: can you unmute uh

[2:00:58] Voice 16: masterpiece ganges complete community

[2:01:03] Voice 16: community,

[2:01:04] Voice 10: world-class.

[2:01:22] Voice 8: Well-planned, if I can add that. It's a hyphenated, so it's still only

[2:01:27] Voice 8: one word.

[2:01:29] Voice 19: Luisa or Daniela, do you have any words on how you feel or words that you're allowed to

[2:01:36] Voice 19: say?

[2:01:46] Voice 6: I'll throw one in. Inspiring. Well,

[2:01:59] Voice 19: I guess in absence of other words, connected. So thanks.

[2:02:04] Voice 19: Thanks. This is all right. See you next month.

[2:02:07] Voice 9: Thank you, Robin, for taking this on.

[2:02:13] Voice 11: Yes, thank you.

[2:02:14] Voice 8: Thanks, everybody.

[2:02:18] Voice 8: Do we have

[2:02:19] Voice 13: to have a

[2:02:19] Voice 8: motion to close the meeting?

[2:02:21] Voice 13: Yes.

[2:02:22] Voice 8: Oh, okay. I move that we adjourn.

[2:02:29] Voice 8: Don't be too fast.

[2:02:32] Voice 19: Who's out?

[2:02:34] Voice 19: All in favor?

[2:02:35] Voice 19: Do we do this all in favor thing?

[2:02:39] Voice 19: Bye.

[2:02:40] Voice 17: see you later thank you

[2:02:42] Voice 17: thank you everyone thank you