Islands Trust Programs Committee regular meeting, May 3, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right. So we are here today. 30 seconds early. So I'm going to pause for 30 seconds

[0:00:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): and just wait it out to make sure that everybody who wants to be in here is in here.

[0:00:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): And I see we do have some attendees as well.

[0:00:29] Voice 7: Here it says if we have seven now.

[0:00:32] Voice 14: Yeah.

[0:00:36] Voice 14: I

[0:00:39] Voice 7: have given them the ability to raise their hand if they do wish to speak.

[0:00:44] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:00:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): And I'm counting seven trustees, if I'm counting myself, plus Chair Luckham. So seven voting trustees plus Chair Luckham. So we are at quorum.

[0:00:56] Voice 8: Correct.

[0:00:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): Quorum six for us, right?

[0:01:00] Voice 8: Correct.

[0:01:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay. Thank you so much. I just wanted to check. All right. We will go ahead and start.

[0:01:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): starts. There is a question on a hand raised from one of the attendees. Should I just go ahead and

[0:01:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): start the meeting officially? And if you want to text or let that person know what they need to do,

[0:01:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): that would be good. All right. Good morning, or good afternoon. Sorry, we usually start these

[0:01:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): meetings in the morning. Good afternoon, trustees, staff, and community members. We're now broadcasting

[0:01:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): and prepared to start this meeting.

[0:01:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'd like to call to order this meeting on May 3rd,

[0:01:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): I believe it is, May 3rd of the Trust Program Committee.

[0:01:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): We are recording and we're live streaming today.

[0:01:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): So please be aware of that.

[0:01:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): I want to be in by acknowledging with respect

[0:01:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we're grateful to be able to gather together

[0:01:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): within locations across the traditional

[0:02:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): and treaty territories of the Coast Salish people.

[0:02:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): I offer the opportunity to share and acknowledge

[0:02:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): treaty and territorial areas in the meeting chat function as part of reconciliation i myself i

[0:02:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): realize i've not been doing this verbally because i get into like flow meetings so i'm going to take

[0:02:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): a moment and just acknowledge that i'm coming to you today from stay on north pender island um

[0:02:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): the um traditional unceded territory of the wasanich people um i'm deb morrison chair of

[0:02:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): the trust programs committee and elected on north pender island i'm joined today by members trust

[0:02:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): program committee and staff. We don't have any, we have no special guests, I don't think.

[0:02:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): The ex officio member, Chair Luckman, is also here as part of the committee. And if I can have,

[0:02:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): because this is a more well-attended meeting of the trust programs committee,

[0:02:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm actually going to pause for a second and actually just have, if we can take the agenda

[0:03:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): off the screen for a second so we're in more full screen mode and just have the trustees go around

[0:03:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): and just say hello who they are so that people are recognizable. If I can start, it's a little

[0:03:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): hard for me in

[0:03:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): this mode if anybody wants to take the agenda down for a second. If I can start with

[0:03:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): Trustee Brent.

[0:03:25] Voice 19: Where do we start?

[0:03:26] Voice 15: So just who you are and where you are.

[0:03:29] Voice 19: Oh, I'm Paul Brent. I live

[0:03:31] Voice 19: on Saturna Island. I'm a trustee. Hi.

[0:03:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you. Rogers?

[0:03:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thanks. Dan Rogers, coming to you from

[0:03:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): Lechtines in Alcatzum, and pleased to be joining you from the traditional territories of the

[0:03:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Squamish people, Squamish.

[0:03:50] Voice 14: Thank you. Langerice?

[0:03:53] Voice 2: Case Langerice from the Sanemo territory on the

[0:03:57] Voice 2: the island called Gabriela.

[0:03:59] Voice 14: Thank you. Cale.

[0:04:02] Voice 22: Michael Cale from Bowen Island. Good afternoon.

[0:04:07] Voice 14: Thank you. Critchley.

[0:04:11] Trustee Critchley (probable): Yes, good afternoon. David Critchley on beautiful Denman Island,

[0:04:15] Trustee Critchley (probable): known as Tlaich.

[0:04:19] Voice 16: Thank you. Hi,

[0:04:24] Voice 21: Tim Peterson, coming to you from Luskete Island in the

[0:04:27] Voice 21: territories of many Coast Salish peoples and the Treaty Territory of the Tlaiman Nation.

[0:04:33] Voice 21: thank

[0:04:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): you and vice chair of the trust programs committee um uh patrick i'm going to say you're

[0:04:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): not trustee rogers um patrick yes

[0:04:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): laura patrick is here is the second man oh they have a bad echo

[0:04:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): um yes i'm coming from salt spring i'm a

[0:04:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): guest today and um yes from many sales territories

[0:05:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): Territories.

[0:05:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you. Penton. Oh, I think you have to unmute. You're in here twice.

[0:05:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): Nope, that's not the unmute that we needed.

[0:05:17] Trustee Fenton (probable): Oh, there we go. We got you. Okay. Super. Yeah,

[0:05:21] Trustee Fenton (probable): Doug Penton from Thetis Island and the traditional territories of the Penelope and my accent.

[0:05:28] Trustee Fenton (probable): Thank you. Colburn.

[0:05:32] Voice 28: Yeah, Scott Colburn. I'm at Watsumi-Letsun, which is,

[0:05:35] Voice 28: So name up First Nation Territory, Gabrola Island.

[0:05:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you.

[0:05:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): And Chair Luckham.

[0:05:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Peter Luckham on Thetis Island in Penelakut and Laiakson Territory.

[0:05:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you.

[0:05:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): And if we can also take a moment and if staff can just name themselves and where they are

[0:05:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the organization, because I think we have a number of people in on the phone too.

[0:05:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): So can we start with Claire, please?

[0:06:01] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:06:01] Voice 11: It's Claire Frader, Director of Trust Area Services.

[0:06:04] Voice 11: and I'm pleased to be coming today from Wasanich Territory.

[0:06:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you. And actually, I think I saw Russ in here too.

[0:06:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): Good afternoon,

[0:06:13] Voice 24: Russ Hotzenpiller, Chief Administrative Officer, and come to you from Lekwungen Speaking Territory.

[0:06:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you. And David Marler?

[0:06:22] Voice 30: Hi, good evening. I'm the Director of Local Planning Services, and I'm also on Lekwungen Territory.

[0:06:30] Voice 14: Thank you. Kate Emmings?

[0:06:36] Voice 27: Kate Emmings Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Kate Emmings. I am the manager with the Islands Trust

[0:06:40] Voice 27: Conservancy coming from you today on what is what I know as Galeano Island, but is also the

[0:06:45] Voice 27: territory of many Coast Salish nations and Hul'q'umi'num speaking peoples.

[0:06:51] Voice 6: Lisa Wilcox Thank

[0:06:51] Voice 14: you. Lisa Wilcox?

[0:06:57] Voice 6: Chuck Mahath Chuck Mahath, CI,

[0:07:00] Voice 6: Queen's North Kokomtonot. Coming to you from Lekwungen territory. My name is Lisa Wilcox,

[0:07:06] Voice 6: Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor with the Islands Trust. We'll see you.

[0:07:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): Perfect. Delaunay Hipla. Hello

[0:07:17] Voice 9: everyone, Delaunay Hipla. I'm happy to be

[0:07:20] Voice 10: joining today from the

[0:07:21] Voice 10: territories of the Tlahoos, Tlaman and Homolka nations and I am the Senior Policy

[0:07:27] Voice 9: Advisor with

[0:07:28] Voice 9: Trust Area Services.

[0:07:31] Voice 14: Perfect and I think I have William Shoba. It's William.

[0:07:38] Voice 25: Hello,

[0:07:39] Voice 25: Hello, my name is William Shulba. I'm the Senior Freshwater Specialist with Islands Trust and I'm coming to you from Salt Spring Island. Thanks.

[0:07:48] Voice 14: All right, and Robert.

[0:07:51] Voice 7: Robert Barlow, Legislative Services Clerk, and your recorder today. I'm grateful to be living and working in the Lekwungen-speaking People's Traditional Territory.

[0:08:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you, and thank you all for taking a moment to introduce. We don't normally do that, but we do have a number of visitors today.

[0:08:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): I do notice we have a technical difficulty so if somebody on staff can reach out to Sue Ellen Fast

[0:08:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): and just make sure I'm not sure if she or she's not on the committee so she's just in the listening

[0:08:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): mode is that why she's only on the side okay good I just wanted to be sure that she wasn't trying to

[0:08:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): to get in and couldn't okay that's great thank you all right so we're grateful for the ability

[0:08:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): to have electronic meetings we're reducing our carbon footprint as trustees and staff in the

[0:08:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): public don't have to travel as we're honoring and we're also honoring provincial health code

[0:08:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): orders and guidelines during the pandemic so thanks to everyone and thank you robert

[0:08:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): doubly so for making sure you're masked when you're near a fellow colleague um like members

[0:08:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): of our staff who are now working from home all of you are connecting to this meeting and have

[0:08:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): different types of equipment and connections um the meeting may have challenges we are learning

[0:08:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): and improving as we go we all need to be understanding and supportive and occasionally

[0:09:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): laugh when things don't go well but we can make do and figure it out i ask that everyone mute

[0:09:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): their mics when they're not speaking. That helps with the echo issue we had earlier as well

[0:09:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): to reduce the risk of any audio disruptions during the meeting. We appreciate your understanding and

[0:09:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): assistance in this meeting situation, and we apologize in advance for any technical

[0:09:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): challenges that may come up. I also want to add that this is a place of employment and a public

[0:09:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): gathering. Despite the fact that many trustees, staff, and others are in their own homes,

[0:09:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): everyone has a right to safe and respectful workplace. And that will be enforced in this

[0:09:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversation and in any meeting. Thank you for your patience today. We appreciate your

[0:09:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): understanding and assistance in these unprecedented times. On a personal note, there may be things in

[0:09:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): our meeting today that stir up a lot of emotions. That's okay. All right. We care about what we're

[0:09:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): doing. It's good. I do request that we be respectful to each other, to the staff who

[0:10:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): spend significant amount of time preparing a draft document for us and that we really are clear about

[0:10:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): what we need changed what our thinking is we're going to speak as a committee today and if we

[0:10:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): have decisions that we need to come down with a clear decision we'll take votes if we need to

[0:10:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so I just want us to really think about the fact that if we don't like things that's great

[0:10:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's what our job is but we really want to make sure that we're giving clear direction

[0:10:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): as a committee forward to the staff for the next step.

[0:10:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right, Claire, can you throw up our agenda?

[0:10:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you so much.

[0:10:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): So approval of the agenda,

[0:10:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): are there any new items or reordering of the agenda

[0:10:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): that needs to be done?

[0:10:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right, I will accept the agenda then.

[0:10:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): Approval by consensus, any objections?

[0:10:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, and town hall and delegations, do we have any, Claire?

[0:11:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): I don't think so.

[0:11:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): there's no delegations do we um want

[0:11:08] Voice 16: to open for a town hall yes

[0:11:15] Voice 11: i believe we have a number

[0:11:16] Voice 11: of people um wishing to speak at town hall okay

[0:11:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): that would be great um and so if we can have

[0:11:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): folks raise their hands i believe is how we're going to manage it yes

[0:11:31] Voice 7: there is one person just

[0:11:32] Voice 7: in seasick who's raised her hand and wishes to speak okay

[0:11:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): so if you can bring them over and um

[0:11:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): do we have ground rules for the town hall i'm assuming we have a three minute clock

[0:11:45] Voice 11: it's at the committee's discretion but yes we generally go with about two minutes I believe

[0:11:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's okay so I'll I'll time just to be ensure that we're fair across things we do have a quite

[0:11:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): a bit of discussion down today so all right so if we can go ahead and move Justine across

[0:12:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): talking oh good she's got talking permitted perfect go ahead Justine hello

[0:12:08] Voice 1: thank you for

[0:12:11] Voice 1: for the opportunity.

[0:12:12] Voice 1: I am hailing from the Snow Nemo First Nation

[0:12:16] Voice 1: on Gabriola Island,

[0:12:18] Voice 1: and I'm grateful to be part of trying to preserve

[0:12:24] Voice 1: and protect this rock of ours

[0:12:26] Voice 1: that has a lot of limitations in terms of growth.

[0:12:31] Voice 1: For what is presented here is it would have been helpful

[0:12:37] Voice 1: and it's a gentle criticism

[0:12:39] Voice 1: If the document presented was an actual copy of the consolidation of 2003, rather than breaking it up into the different amendments that were made, you know, as appendix to the first part.

[0:12:56] Voice 1: I would have liked to see a purple or whatever color of your choice to indicate what was actually deleted from the consolidation.

[0:13:10] Voice 1: For example, the whole paragraph about the challenge and many, many others, they were modified or completely deleted.

[0:13:22] Voice 1: And I would like to see the consolidation in one document and the amendments in the same document and purple for the ones that we're reading as the consolidation copy, not as it was changed without, you know, without indication that it was changed.

[0:13:42] Voice 1: Do you intend to consult with the province generally, which is apparently a requirement to rewrite the Rialans Trust Policy Statement?

[0:13:52] Voice 1: What steps have you taken to consult with the province generally?

[0:13:56] Voice 1: On page 19, I

[0:14:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): don't

[0:14:04] Voice 1: know what it's meant by the word.

[0:14:09] Voice 1: and why is individuals not included in some places like page 20 why are communities not defined

[0:14:19] Voice 1: um is this residents and property owners or what this community is if it's not them

[0:14:25] Voice 1: um why is it that we can amend the uh trespassing statement without requirement of the minister

[0:14:31] Voice 1: approval and on and on and on so uh any case i will try to put this in writing for your next

[0:14:38] Voice 1: meeting thank you thank

[0:14:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): you so much all right and thank you for being able to come and speak today

[0:14:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): all right uh i believe michael sketch is next on my list here i've

[0:14:53] Voice 7: allowed him to speak okay

[0:14:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): go ahead you have about two minutes

[0:14:57] Voice 22: can you hear me yes

[0:14:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): a

[0:15:03] Voice 22: trust programs committee and staff if

[0:15:05] Voice 22: asked trust area residents with a rough idea of islands trust governance will say that the heart

[0:15:10] Voice 22: of the islands trust is to preserve and protect environment there are trust area policies to

[0:15:16] Voice 22: ensure preservations and preservation and protection i argue that an effective implementation

[0:15:23] Voice 22: of trust policies must be self-evident in the policies themselves i don't think they are

[0:15:29] Voice 22: witness the three parts of each directive policy inclusion in each island area ocp

[0:15:35] Voice 22: inclusion in local trust area regulation, and the policy component itself.

[0:15:42] Voice 22: Are there three opportunities to carry out each directive policy?

[0:15:48] Voice 22: As important, the revision now references Trust Council's five pages of implementation policies for the Trust Policy Statement by-law.

[0:15:56] Voice 22: Implementation policies were adopted by Council in 1994.

[0:16:00] Voice 22: To understand whether trust policies are effectively implemented, the revised policy statement bylaw must be reviewed in conjunction with Council's policy statement implementation, 1.3.1, which I've attached to this submission.

[0:16:17] Voice 22: In particular, please review the several qualifiers for the implementation of directive policies by the local area jurisdiction.

[0:16:24] Voice 22: jurisdiction. The local jurisdiction may elect not to comply. In Canadian federalism, can

[0:16:30] Voice 22: the province elect whether or not to follow federal law? Of course not. Further, implementation

[0:16:37] Voice 22: policy 131 can be interpreted as requiring policy addressed in the OCP but not in regulation.

[0:16:44] Voice 22: If so, how might bylaw enforcement act? I've submitted a draft policy statement to Council

[0:16:51] Voice 22: and to this committee, which avoids these and other problems.

[0:16:54] Voice 22: The current draft, which includes a duty to consult,

[0:16:58] Voice 22: is attached.

[0:16:59] Voice 22: Please deliberate carefully before proceeding

[0:17:01] Voice 22: with the staff revision of our trust policy statement.

[0:17:05] Voice 22: Thank you.

[0:17:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you so much.

[0:17:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): Right, and Maxine?

[0:17:16] Voice 14: Can you hear me?

[0:17:17] Voice 14: I can, thank you.

[0:17:19] Voice 13: Okay, I sent some questions

[0:17:20] Voice 13: that I wouldn't have time to ask,

[0:17:22] Voice 13: but the one I would like to present now

[0:17:26] Voice 13: is that I just don't understand the purpose of the trust policy statement in terms of requiring the

[0:17:32] Voice 13: local trust committee to to do or not do things and specifically the water policy 4.4.2 the current

[0:17:41] Voice 13: policy is very clear on not allowing density increases in areas with water supply problems

[0:17:48] Voice 13: and I remember a few years ago there was a bylaw passed on salt spring and a bunch of us went to

[0:17:54] Voice 13: a trust council meeting and we brought this up and they turned the bylaw down but yet in the

[0:17:59] Voice 13: intervening years there are two bylaws that have been passed that increased density onslaught

[0:18:05] Voice 13: spring in the northern part of the island which is known to have scarce groundwater in some areas

[0:18:10] Voice 13: because of the geology and because no group brought this to the attention of the trust council

[0:18:17] Voice 13: these bylaws went through. So I really wish you would think about that, that if you intend to

[0:18:26] Voice 13: make it a directive, that it must be followed. You know, how does that happen without someone,

[0:18:32] Voice 13: you know, complaining and bringing it to your attention? And does the current, 4.4.2 has been

[0:18:39] Voice 13: revised, and the new version seems weaker to me. And I would really urge you make that one

[0:18:48] Voice 13: policy a directive and have it be strong and enforceable. That's it.

[0:18:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you so much, Maxine. All right. So I if there are no other new speakers,

[0:19:05] Voice 7: there are none. There's no one else raising their hands.

[0:19:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): It's a new speaker. Okay, so I think we are going to go ahead and close the town hall and move on.

[0:19:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you all for sharing your thoughts today and I do encourage everyone to

[0:19:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): put those thoughts in writing and send them as well because that helps

[0:19:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): all of the trustees on the committee see them and really clearly think them through,

[0:19:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): which is really really helpful so thank you all right adoption of the minutes um so we have

[0:19:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): minutes for april 8th the trust programs committee meeting on april 8th are there any changes to

[0:19:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): those minutes okay

[0:19:58] Voice 19: excuse me chair sorry yeah um one thing that i'd like the minutes to to reflect

[0:20:04] Voice 19: is that the meeting was originally scheduled to end at noon so it appears when like a number of

[0:20:12] Voice 19: us left what appears to be early and I'd prefer that there be some acknowledgement in the minutes

[0:20:20] Voice 19: that there was confusion as to the length of the meeting so a lot of us have to leave early

[0:20:25] Voice 19: but we had made other commitments because of the notice that went out

[0:20:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): no that sounds good so if we

[0:20:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): We can have that change in the, where would that be?

[0:20:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): Just added to the minute note, wherever people are leaving or just have

[0:20:41] Voice 16: it noted somewhere.

[0:20:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah.

[0:20:43] Voice 16: Thanks.

[0:20:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you.

[0:20:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right.

[0:20:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): And also just because we're juggling a lot of different documents today and I have people

[0:20:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): on where we have the agenda up in front of us.

[0:20:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): I do need folks to use the digital hands if they can.

[0:21:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): And I know, Paul, you have a little bit of a trick with that. So feel free to shout if you get stuck on your digital hand issue.

[0:21:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): But generally speaking, it's going to be helpful for me. All right.

[0:21:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): Anybody else with any changes in the meeting minutes? OK, so we'll go ahead and adopt those as amended by consensus.

[0:21:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): Oops, apparently I have a lot of timers going on in my life. All right.

[0:21:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right. And then we have no resolutions without meeting, follow-up action list. Claire, do you want to take that away?

[0:21:39] Voice 11: I'm sure happy to speak to this. Essentially, to let you know, the policy statement and the website have really been the primary focus of the team.

[0:21:47] Voice 11: Also with some focus on forestry work, looking at sort of the Crown Land Agreements and other forestry policy that we're looking at.

[0:21:58] Voice 11: you will see here we still haven't signed on to the or provided a letter around the climate action

[0:22:04] Voice 11: report card tool we're still waiting for a request on that one and down below here we continue just

[0:22:09] Voice 11: to work on all of these and we'll bring them back to you at your next meeting or at least we'll

[0:22:14] Voice 11: provide you with a more fulsome update at your next meeting I'd be happy to take any questions

[0:22:18] Voice 11: rather than taking time to walk through all of this

[0:22:20] Voice 15: any questions on the follow-up action list

[0:22:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): so big congratulations on the website all right so that's been a huge effort so thank you very

[0:22:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): much for all the work on that and your staff um all right so see no further questions on the

[0:22:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): follow-up action list i'm going to go ahead and move this forward um all right so we are now on

[0:22:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): page 11 item number five 5.1 so the policy statement amendment project first draft the new

[0:22:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): policy statement by law. Let's start with the briefing. I believe Delaney is giving that.

[0:23:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): Is that accurate?

[0:23:06] Voice 11: Yes, we have a slideshow for you, a presentation. And so I'll just be bringing

[0:23:11] Voice 11: that on screen here.

[0:23:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): And so for trustees, just to know, we're going to have a brief presentation

[0:23:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): first, and then we're going to go through and have more discussion and conversation.

[0:23:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[0:23:25] Voice 9: Hello, Trust Programs Committee and guests. We are very pleased to

[0:23:32] Voice 10: be bringing you, at long last, a first draft of the Policy Statement Amendments.

[0:23:38] Voice 10: This is just a very first draft, and it's going through a series of committee consultations before we bring it to first reading.

[0:23:45] Voice 10: So we are well aware that some revisions will be needed, and this is the first time we're presenting it to the elected officials.

[0:23:52] Voice 10: So we wanted to provide you with some rationale for the amendments.

[0:23:59] Voice 10: Next slide. So to start us off in a good way, I

[0:24:03] Voice 9: think I'm going to pass it over to my colleague Lisa Wilcox to open with an acknowledgement.

[0:24:08] Voice 9: Yeah,

[0:24:13] Voice 6: Chukmahath, Delani, we'd like to begin just by acknowledging that the Islands Trust

[0:24:20] Voice 6: area is located within the treaty and traditional territories of the Pachukwin, Komox, Lekwungen,

[0:24:29] Voice 6: Laiaksin, Malahat, Kualakum, Cowichan, Tsawwassen, Beecher Bay, Tsleil-Waututh, Siamayamu, Sishal,

[0:24:39] Voice 6: Sal, Skopmish, Sinawas, Sinemuk, Penelaket, Seiout, Chimayness, Sliamon, Klahoos, Lake Cowichan,

[0:24:49] Voice 6: Wewikum, Wewikai, Sartlip, Sakem, Halalt, Homolko, and Musqueam First Nations.

[0:24:57] Voice 6: Staff have spent the last two years engaging and working with First Nations

[0:25:04] Voice 6: whose lands and waters have been within the Islands Trust area since time immemorial.

[0:25:10] Voice 6: And we honour that rich history, the stewardship and cultural heritage of this place that exists to this day.

[0:25:17] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:25:20] Voice 6: Thank

[0:25:21] Voice 9: you, Lisa. Next slide.

[0:25:23] Voice 9: Okay, so this is an

[0:25:24] Voice 10: overview of the presentation we'll be giving to you today.

[0:25:27] Voice 10: We're planning to break halfway through for questions and comments.

[0:25:32] Voice 10: so in part one we're giving you a bit of the high level rationale for the amendments including

[0:25:39] Voice 10: an overview of the project timeline and scope the policy statement as it relates to the islands

[0:25:46] Voice 10: trust object and then a bit about what we heard a consolidation of what we've heard into principles

[0:25:53] Voice 10: and paradigms that are guiding the amendment process so at that point we'll break for

[0:25:58] Voice 10: questions and then we'll start a more detailed review and in the second part of the presentation

[0:26:04] Voice 10: we'll we're identifying a few key amendments that we think will are of particular interest to you

[0:26:11] Voice 10: you may have questions about obviously we can't go through every single amendment in this

[0:26:16] Voice 10: presentation but we wanted to give you a bit more of the rationale on particular changes

[0:26:22] Voice 10: changes, spotlighting specific new policies, and speaking a bit about some of the implementation

[0:26:30] Voice 10: considerations that we'll need to keep in mind going forward.

[0:26:34] Voice 10: And for that part, we have all of our specialists in the organization, Lisa Wilcox, our Senior

[0:26:41] Voice 10: Intergovernmental Policy Advisor, who can speak to the reconciliation pieces, and we've

[0:26:46] Voice 10: also invited William Shoba to speak to the freshwater amendments and Kate Emmings who can

[0:26:52] Voice 10: speak to the policies around the networks of protected areas. So they're here to give a little

[0:26:59] Voice 10: bit of supplementary information as well as to answer any questions that you might have.

[0:27:04] Voice 10: In terms of next steps, this is the first of two sessions we'll be having with Trust Programs

[0:27:11] Voice 10: committee prior to first reading. So we're meeting today and we'll be meeting again on May 14th. So

[0:27:17] Voice 10: you'll have an opportunity to sit and reflect, think about some of what we've presented to you

[0:27:23] Voice 10: today, and then come back on the 14th with further feedback. And the one question we've sort of posed

[0:27:30] Voice 10: is whether the committee feels that this document, this draft, fulfills Trust Council's direction

[0:27:37] Voice 10: to update the policy statement according to the priorities that have been identified.

[0:27:43] Voice 10: And we know that you'll all have a lot to say and share with each other.

[0:27:48] Voice 10: So we would like to give you an option of sending some written feedback

[0:27:54] Voice 10: for the consideration of the other committee members prior to your next meeting.

[0:27:59] Voice 10: And in order to incorporate it in the agenda package, we'd ask that you send that.

[0:28:04] Voice 10: you can send it to me by email by May 6th for inclusion in the May 14th agenda package.

[0:28:12] Voice 10: So that's a bit of an overview. Next slide, please. And so this is speaking to our timeline,

[0:28:20] Voice 10: our project timeline. We're now wrapping up stage four of the project timeline. We have engaged with

[0:28:28] Voice 10: communities, we have engaged with First Nations, and that is a process that continues to unfold.

[0:28:35] Voice 10: We have touched base through our policy directions report, sort of a midway touching base with

[0:28:43] Voice 10: communities and nations, and we have basically consolidated all of the input that we have

[0:28:50] Voice 10: received from First Nations, from the public, from the working groups, from trustees, and

[0:28:58] Voice 10: staff analysis, and we are presenting you with a very, very first draft.

[0:29:05] Voice 10: after today executive committee will also be reviewing the draft at its May 5th meeting

[0:29:11] Voice 10: we'll be presenting it to regional planning committee on May 12th as I mentioned earlier

[0:29:16] Voice 10: you'll have your second review on May 14th and then we'll be taking all of the feedback

[0:29:21] Voice 10: from those processes as well as some consultations we've been having with the planners and specialists

[0:29:27] Voice 10: in the organization and and basically creating a second draft which will then come back which will

[0:29:37] Voice 10: then go to trust sorry executive committee in preparation for first reading in between we'll

[0:29:48] Voice 10: be bringing the draft to islands trust conservancy board we have a formal referral process with the

[0:29:55] Voice 10: Yanis Trust Conservancy Board, but we are presenting them with an early draft.

[0:30:00] Voice 10: their consideration prior to the first reading referrals. So I think that gives you a sense of

[0:30:08] Voice 10: the committee consultations. In terms of our broader timeline, if we proceed with first reading

[0:30:15] Voice 10: at June Trust Council, we'll then be incorporating any revisions and sending the draft out for

[0:30:23] Voice 10: referrals and that will be a 90-day process. So that will start in late June. We're tentatively

[0:30:30] Voice 10: planning the third phase of engagement for mid-September and we can discuss the details of

[0:30:37] Voice 10: that at a later meeting. And then staff will be incorporating the feedback from all of those

[0:30:45] Voice 10: referrals, from public feedback, from trustees and so on, and coming up with a draft for second

[0:30:52] Voice 10: second reading in December.

[0:30:55] Voice 10: And so this timeline is aiming to get us to fourth reading by the end of the term.

[0:31:02] Voice 10: And I just note that we have been engaging with nations over the last two years, and

[0:31:09] Voice 10: that will be a process that is ongoing.

[0:31:13] Voice 10: And we will be adjusting our timelines accordingly as we go forward.

[0:31:19] Voice 10: And yes, next slide, please.

[0:31:23] Voice 10: Okay, this is a bit about the project scope, just to remind everyone of what we have been directed by Trust Council

[0:31:29] Voice 10: to amend the policy statement with a general update of the introduction, Part 1, Part 2, and Schedule 1,

[0:31:38] Voice 10: and to look through the former Parts 3, 4, and 5 through the lenses of reconciliation, climate change, and affordable housing.

[0:31:48] Voice 10: And in this process, we're really striving for the middle spot in this Venn diagram, where all of those priorities line up and support each other in an integrated manner.

[0:32:01] Voice 10: And I'd also note that any input that's considered out of scope for this particular amendment project can be considered by a trust council for future amendment projects.

[0:32:12] Voice 10: Next slide, please.

[0:32:14] Voice 10: so um there is a section in the policy statement about the purpose of the policy statement

[0:32:22] Voice 10: and we thought we'd just ground into that understanding here uh the policy statement

[0:32:27] Voice 10: as defined in the islands trust act is intended to be a general statement of the policies of

[0:32:33] Voice 10: trust council to carry out the islands trust objects so there's a direct relationship

[0:32:38] Voice 10: to the act and to the object itself the policy statement itself is meant to be fairly high level

[0:32:45] Voice 10: and not time-specific to a particular term, as our strategic plans are.

[0:32:51] Voice 10: And it informs and guides and affects the development of regional strategic plans,

[0:32:58] Voice 10: local official community plans, land use bylaws, action plans and toolkits,

[0:33:04] Voice 10: First Nations engagement, public engagement, as well as our interagency cooperation and advocacy.

[0:33:10] Voice 10: And so because the policy statement is a sort of high level view related to the trust object, it leaves a certain amount of flexibility to the trust and to its committees and to local trust communities and island municipalities to develop more detailed plans that are suitable to a particular term or their particular communities.

[0:33:35] Voice 10: So that we have very much tried to sustain and bolster in the amendment process, the notion that this is a general high-level approach that is to be implemented locally.

[0:33:50] Voice 10: Next slide, please.

[0:33:53] Voice 10: In terms of our understanding of the trust object and how it informed the amendments, we looked at the three different clauses in the trust object itself.

[0:34:03] Voice 10: And the first one, to preserve and protect the trust area and its unique amenities and environment is sort of like the what.

[0:34:10] Voice 10: And so it's what we're preserving and protecting.

[0:34:13] Voice 10: And we've defined these very broadly to include the environmental integrity of the region, its natural, cultural and community heritage, as well as the rural island atmosphere.

[0:34:25] Voice 10: And the second part speaks to the beneficiaries of this preservation and protection.

[0:34:33] Voice 10: and for the benefit of the residents of the trust area and of British Columbia generally.

[0:34:37] Voice 10: So this is where we see that everything in the trust policy statement is to foster sustainable,

[0:34:44] Voice 10: inclusive and resilient trust area communities and we also consider the policies to be

[0:34:52] Voice 10: beneficial to First Nations and British Columbians more generally. And the third part of the clause

[0:34:58] Voice 10: speaks to the how. So the province in creating the Islands Trust Act directed that this

[0:35:05] Voice 10: work be done in cooperation with municipalities, regional districts, improvement districts,

[0:35:11] Voice 10: other persons and organizations, and the government of British Columbia. And so the

[0:35:16] Voice 10: how includes this sort of coordination role that you'll see that we've sort of bolstered in

[0:35:21] Voice 10: the amendment process. And we've reframed, oftentimes we talk about our role as land use

[0:35:27] Voice 10: planning. And with the feedback that we've received from a number of different inputs,

[0:35:32] Voice 10: we've reframed that to the notion of place protection planning, which includes the

[0:35:37] Voice 10: combination of conservation-oriented land use planning, public engagement and education,

[0:35:44] Voice 10: First Nations engagement, and interagency coordination and advocacy. So this is sort

[0:35:50] Voice 10: of how we interpret the work that we do and within our particular jurisdiction.

[0:35:55] Voice 10: next slide please so as you know we have been engaging quite a bit with communities with

[0:36:04] Voice 10: First Nations and with yourselves on this process over the last two years and in this at this stage

[0:36:12] Voice 10: of the process what we have of the project I should say we have tried to consolidate all that

[0:36:18] Voice 10: we've learned with through you know thousands of discussions into some guiding principles and

[0:36:24] Voice 10: paradigms that are underpinning the amendments that are proposed here so one of the um a recurring

[0:36:33] Voice 10: theme from both first nations and communities is that we need to foster more evidence-based

[0:36:40] Voice 10: approaches that are grounded in an understanding of the caring capacity of each island that is

[0:36:47] Voice 10: informed by the best available science and respectful of indigenous ways of knowing so

[0:36:53] Voice 10: So striving for that evidence-based decision-making process.

[0:36:58] Voice 10: We are also striving to proceed with the precautionary principle guiding everything that we do,

[0:37:06] Voice 10: which means that we're proceeding cautiously to avoid harm where there's scientific uncertainty.

[0:37:12] Voice 10: In light of climate change, in light of the uncertainties around impacts of development,

[0:37:19] Voice 10: we're fostering a precautionary approach.

[0:37:23] Voice 10: Thirdly, we've identified the desire to move to more area-based decision-making,

[0:37:31] Voice 10: so making site-specific decisions in the context of the broader landscape

[0:37:35] Voice 10: and informed by the wonderful area-wide mapping tools that we already have

[0:37:40] Voice 10: and that we're developing further.

[0:37:42] Voice 10: We've also identified the principle of adaptive management,

[0:37:48] Voice 10: so knowing that because climate change is uncertain,

[0:37:51] Voice 10: certain because the impacts, we can't really predict how things will unfold. There's a necessity

[0:37:58] Voice 10: to foster iterative processes of monitoring, evaluation, and policy adjustments according

[0:38:05] Voice 10: to the knowledge that grows within the organization and our understanding of its

[0:38:11] Voice 10: impacts on communities. There's also a need to foster equitable lenses to all that we do.

[0:38:19] Voice 10: So this is acknowledging that resilience is dependent on healthy, inclusive, and diverse

[0:38:24] Voice 10: communities, both residents of the trust area, trust area communities, as well as ecological

[0:38:30] Voice 10: communities, and both thrive on diversity, both thrive on inclusivity, and both are dependent

[0:38:36] Voice 10: on each other in that broad view of ecosystems.

[0:38:40] Voice 10: And we've had quite a bit of input into the need to reframe some of the language that

[0:38:49] Voice 10: we use um so one quote i've included here is it's not a relation it's not a resource it's a

[0:38:55] Voice 10: relationship and that um quote came from one of our cultural knowledge holders that's been engaged

[0:39:01] Voice 10: in um the freshwater sustainability project um but it's been echoed by a number of nations

[0:39:08] Voice 10: and and from the public as well the need to um reframe reframe um in in a more holistic

[0:39:17] Voice 10: stewardship relational kind of way and um we've also along those same lines in the notion of

[0:39:26] Voice 10: stewardship we've had a lot of feedback to say that we need to start looking at the function

[0:39:30] Voice 10: of restore so we talk um very much about preservation and protection and sustainable

[0:39:36] Voice 10: stewardship but because um ecosystems because of the threats they're facing there is now an

[0:39:42] Voice 10: unimperative, to also look at our role in restoration. And that's something for us to

[0:39:47] Voice 10: discuss as a committee and as Trust Council, where the boundaries around that lie within

[0:39:53] Voice 10: our jurisdiction. And finally, we're seeking approaches that are integrated. And so we're

[0:40:00] Voice 10: acknowledging the interdependence and reciprocal relationships between all of the policy

[0:40:05] Voice 10: priorities. So what we've presented to you today is an effort to frame a policy statement where

[0:40:14] Voice 10: the policies not only are harmonious, but also uplift each other and support each other in

[0:40:21] Voice 10: important ways. And at the center of all this is a recognition that business as usual is no longer

[0:40:30] Voice 10: are acceptable or in anyone's interest. Because of our commitments to reconciliation, because of

[0:40:38] Voice 10: Council's declaration of the climate emergency, and because of the housing crisis that is affecting

[0:40:44] Voice 10: communities like never before, there is a desire to really shift the way that we do things to ensure

[0:40:53] Voice 10: more resilient sustainable solutions going forward so that's a theme that we'll come back

[0:41:01] Voice 10: to throughout the presentation next slide okay so i think at this point we'll pause for questions

[0:41:09] Voice 10: and i'll just give you a heads up that we're getting into some of the specifics about particular

[0:41:14] Voice 10: policies in the next section of the presentation um but so at this point we'd just be um welcoming

[0:41:22] Voice 10: any questions related to what we've presented until now.

[0:41:26] Voice 10: And I'll pass it to back to the chair, perhaps.

[0:41:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, so questions, clarification questions,

[0:41:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): as opposed to statements about what you like and don't.

[0:41:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): Clarification questions, Trustee Colburn.

[0:41:46] Voice 28: I'm gonna try my video,

[0:41:47] Voice 28: but my internet's been unstable all day.

[0:41:49] Voice 28: So if I waver or the audio goes up,

[0:41:52] Voice 28: please let me know and I'll turn it back off.

[0:41:53] Voice 28: um i i have a question for david marler and i i think preamble i thank you for all the work staff

[0:42:00] Voice 28: like a huge amount of work that went into this over over many years and i think we've all

[0:42:05] Voice 28: um devoted ourselves to do this on a more regular basis so there's not all that undone work built up

[0:42:10] Voice 28: and community conversations but thank you for the staff for the work um i i would like having just

[0:42:16] Voice 28: heard carrying capacity talked about by Delaunay. I would like David Marlard to speak to what

[0:42:24] Voice 28: formula is going to be used for that if we're talking about evidence-based. How do you define

[0:42:29] Voice 28: and measure carrying capacity? Because it seems to be a central plank that you're using to limit

[0:42:34] Voice 28: development and I have no concept of what science goes into that. Okay

[0:42:40] Voice 30: yeah if I may through the

[0:42:41] Voice 30: chair yeah

[0:42:42] Voice 14: go ahead yeah

[0:42:43] Voice 30: thank you the policy statement is again a very high level document

[0:42:48] Voice 30: so it's setting the tone and the goals so it would be up to each of the local trust committees and

[0:42:55] Voice 30: their official community plan to determine what that carrying capacity would look like

[0:43:01] Voice 30: so without specific direction on what carrying capacity means in the policy statement the local

[0:43:08] Voice 30: trust committees would be developing their own way of measuring that there are scientific papers out

[0:43:17] Voice 30: there but the problem is as you say it you know it's very wide-ranging so we have

[0:43:22] Voice 30: to identify

[0:43:23] Voice 30: specifically what is important that could be work that could be done down the road through

[0:43:30] Voice 30: trust council committees to help local trust committees to define that but we would generally

[0:43:36] Voice 30: be using the mapping that we have now and we'd be looking forward at what kind of mapping could

[0:43:43] Voice 30: be used to further that concept of carrying capacity on the island.

[0:43:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you and I also

[0:43:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to just take a moment, Trustee McConkie if you want to say hello and just introduce yourself

[0:44:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): and I realize you were at work today. No,

[0:44:03] Trustee McConchie (probable): no I've been here, I've been listening in since the

[0:44:06] Trustee McConchie (probable): the nearly the beginning of the meeting um i just have the video now thanks um

[0:44:13] Voice 15: trustee colburn did

[0:44:15] Voice 15: that address your question or do you have follow-up any follow-up to that it

[0:44:21] Voice 28: doesn't answer

[0:44:22] Voice 28: my question except for some future thing but i'll i'll make comments on that later

[0:44:26] Voice 15: okay trustee

[0:44:28] Voice 15: christie thank

[0:44:33] Trustee Critchley (probable): you i just wanted to follow up on that um comment about carrying capacity because

[0:44:40] Trustee Critchley (probable): Because to me, that was the biggest thing that jumped out to me in this review.

[0:44:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): And the answer that was provided by Mr. Marler, I think, concerns me.

[0:44:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): Because I think it's such a crucial concept that even at this high level of a trust policy statement, it has to be defined.

[0:45:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): It is used throughout the document in a very important way.

[0:45:08] Trustee Critchley (probable): and I don't think we can avoid coming to grips with with an acceptable definition of that

[0:45:16] Trustee Critchley (probable): and I would also take issue with the idea that it can mean many different things and and so

[0:45:22] Trustee Critchley (probable): therefore will mean many different things in many different islands that just troubles me from a

[0:45:29] Trustee Critchley (probable): a federation or governance standpoint.

[0:45:33] Trustee Critchley (probable): We have one Islands Trust Act, we have one trust area,

[0:45:39] Trustee Critchley (probable): and yes, we have different local trust committees,

[0:45:42] Trustee Critchley (probable): but I'm concerned that we're looking at having

[0:45:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): local trust committees decide what their carrying capacity

[0:45:51] Trustee Critchley (probable): is and how it would be determined.

[0:45:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): I think that's very problematic.

[0:45:55] Trustee Critchley (probable): So I realize we're at early stages here,

[0:45:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): but I wanted to get that out front. I want to agree with my colleague, Trustee Colburn,

[0:46:03] Trustee Critchley (probable): that this is an important matter, and to say that I'm not satisfied with the non-answer

[0:46:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): that's been received so far.

[0:46:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, and I'm going to ask people to stick to clarifying questions

[0:46:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): right now. I know that's related to the answer that was given, so that's okay, but

[0:46:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): really try at this moment to keep to clarifying questions for Delaney. Are there others so far?

[0:46:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): oh sorry uh trustee rogers um

[0:46:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): i hope this is a clarifying question um it's uh i think after

[0:46:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): related to the first the first two but it's about the fact that as i had always understood it that

[0:46:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): one of the pieces of work in this phase of the project was to do a definition and interpretation

[0:46:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): section and i don't see it and i just wondered if as at this stage is appropriate to ask

[0:46:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): what the thinking is about that because that would be something that would be included in there a

[0:47:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): definition of what we mean by and i i thought anyway i just thought that's my question is

[0:47:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): where are we at on that process and is it now not contemplated for this to be part of this phase of

[0:47:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the draft of the bylaw.

[0:47:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): I

[0:47:23] Voice 10: can perhaps speak to that chair.

[0:47:25] Voice 10: Okay, so yes, we have in our review of the policy statement

[0:47:33] Voice 10: for the purposes of clarity,

[0:47:35] Voice 10: we have proposed removing the footnotes

[0:47:39] Voice 10: as well as schedule one,

[0:47:40] Voice 10: and instead putting the definitions

[0:47:42] Voice 10: in the preamble sections to every part

[0:47:46] Voice 10: part of the policy statement so you'll find in those preamble sections for example to part three

[0:47:52] Voice 10: four five and six uh you'll find the definitions in there and we felt that that was led to lent

[0:47:59] Voice 10: itself to more clarity um more of an interpretive context um in evaluating the policies in each

[0:48:06] Voice 10: uh section um but of course your feedback is welcome um i know that the question was addressed

[0:48:14] Voice 10: addressed to David Marler, but I will be speaking a bit to the notion of carrying capacity in

[0:48:21] Voice 10: the next part of the presentation, so we can also address more questions about that at

[0:48:26] Voice 10: the end.

[0:48:29] Voice 15: Thank you.

[0:48:30] Voice 15: All right.

[0:48:32] Voice 15: Dan, is that our remnant hand?

[0:48:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah.

[0:48:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): Any other folks want to ask any clarifying questions at this point?

[0:48:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): point okay i'm going to ask for like no more than 12 minutes if we can um try to get through

[0:48:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): remaining slides in like the 12 minute window because i want to take a break at the top of

[0:48:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): the hour and just give people time to move around and then come back into conversation okay

[0:49:01] Voice 9: um thank

[0:49:02] Voice 9: you chair let's move on to the next slide so

[0:49:07] Voice 10: this gives a bit of an overview of some of the key

[0:49:10] Voice 10: amendments. As I mentioned earlier, this is not inclusive of all of the amendments of note in the

[0:49:16] Voice 10: policy statement, but for the sake of this meeting, we thought we'd highlight just a few.

[0:49:21] Voice 10: And I think for the sake of brevity, we'll just go through each of them instead of giving you

[0:49:27] Voice 10: the overview here. So next slide, please. So we have proposed a new part, a new part three,

[0:49:37] Voice 10: devoted to regional governance in the new policy statement and this is a transformation of the

[0:49:45] Voice 10: previous section in the previous policy statement referred to as guiding principles for trust

[0:49:50] Voice 10: council we felt that those principles were incredibly important and needed to be brought

[0:49:56] Voice 10: into the same sort of level as the other policies in the policy statement they also it also allowed

[0:50:03] Voice 10: us to put in some broad overarching guidance related to our reconciliation and climate change

[0:50:09] Voice 10: commitments. And one of the particular changes that we've made that we thought you might have

[0:50:18] Voice 10: questions about is 3.1.2. So just wanted to clarify that the previous policy statement,

[0:50:26] Voice 10: the second guiding principle in the previous policy statement, said that when making decisions

[0:50:32] Voice 10: and exercising judgment, Trust Council will place priority on preserving and protecting

[0:50:37] Voice 10: the integrity of the environment and amenities in the Trust area. And so we've transformed this

[0:50:43] Voice 10: into a new policy and highlighted Indigenous cultural heritage as a priority. Amenities

[0:50:50] Voice 10: itself is quite broad and open to various interpretations. And in light of Trust

[0:50:56] Voice 10: Council's commitment to reconciliation. We felt that it was important to highlight this as a

[0:51:03] Voice 10: priority for decision making going forward. And the integrity of the environment stays the same

[0:51:08] Voice 10: as it was before. Some other changes in this part, as I mentioned, we've transformed the

[0:51:15] Voice 10: guiding principles and added in some new ones related to reconciliation and climate change.

[0:51:21] Voice 10: We've defined some clearer priorities and limitations. The previous guiding principles

[0:51:26] Voice 10: gave Trust Council the direction to do so, but we've just tried to clarify and strengthen those

[0:51:36] Voice 10: limitations. We've noted regional approaches to reconciliation and climate action.

[0:51:42] Voice 10: We've proposed the addition of restoration, as I mentioned earlier, has come as a misfeedback,

[0:51:48] Voice 10: and the removal of the word resources so we've combined the former parts three and four

[0:51:57] Voice 10: with that in light of that as well. It also reflects a commitment to seek evidence-based

[0:52:04] Voice 10: understandings, Trust Council's commitment to engagement with First Nations and the foundation

[0:52:09] Voice 10: documents such as the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act. It reflects the Trust

[0:52:16] Voice 10: Council's coordination and advocacy role. So in our review over the past year, we've really looked

[0:52:23] Voice 10: at the kind of impetus for the trust, the establishment of the trust and the vision

[0:52:30] Voice 10: for the role that the trust would play in the preserve and protect mandate. And with that

[0:52:35] Voice 10: information, we've tried to reframe some of the former recommendations into more coordination and

[0:52:42] Voice 10: advocacy policies. We've also translated some of these, which are appropriate, into directive

[0:52:49] Voice 10: policies for consistency of decision making at both the regional and local level. And I think

[0:52:56] Voice 10: I'm just going to pause and invite Lisa to add any further context that she'd like to hear.

[0:53:06] Voice 6: Thank you, Delaney. I think what we did here throughout all of our engagement with nations

[0:53:12] Voice 6: was the importance of the preservation and protection of cultural heritage in the Islands

[0:53:18] Voice 6: Trust area. This has been a really important aspect of moving forward in our efforts in

[0:53:29] Voice 6: reconciliation. I think that this clause creates more clarity and allows clear decision-making

[0:53:38] Voice 6: and more transparent decision making in collaboration and coordination with First

[0:53:43] Voice 6: Nations and helps with our commitments and aligning our policy statement with the objects

[0:53:49] Voice 6: of DRIPA and UNDRIP and the TRC calls to action. So thanks

[0:53:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): Lisa. Next slide please. And Delaney

[0:53:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): just one second I just just to make sure our listeners who are not trustees so and Lisa I

[0:54:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): I actually forget the exact acronym for DRIPA.

[0:54:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): UNDRIP is the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous People.

[0:54:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): And DRIPA?

[0:54:13] Voice 6: DRIPA is the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act,

[0:54:17] Voice 6: which was passed in 2019 by the provincial government.

[0:54:24] Voice 6: So the Islands

[0:54:25] Voice 6: Trust went forward and passed their reconciliation declaration

[0:54:29] Voice 6: and made a commitment to UNDRIP just prior to the provincial government

[0:54:35] Voice 6: passing DRIPA. Thank you. Thank

[0:54:40] Voice 10: you. Okay, so another new part, part five has been added

[0:54:45] Voice 10: to the policy statement. And so in the previous policy statement, there were a couple of policies

[0:54:51] Voice 10: related to heritage that were sort of buried in the former part five. And because we have

[0:54:57] Voice 10: identified this as a very important priority for nations and for communities, we've pulled it out

[0:55:03] Voice 10: of that former part five and given it a part of its own to really give it that profile and

[0:55:10] Voice 10: priority that it merits. And so the goal of this new part five is to preserve and protect natural,

[0:55:17] Voice 10: cultural, and community heritage in the trust area. And we've sort of spotlighted the two

[0:55:25] Voice 10: commitments of trust council at the beginning, suggesting that trust council holds that the

[0:55:33] Voice 10: the preservation, protection and restoration of natural culture and community heritage in the

[0:55:38] Voice 10: trust area is essential to the island's trust object and must be guided by meaningful, respectful

[0:55:44] Voice 10: and culturally sensitive engagement with First Nations. It's Trust Council's policy that local

[0:55:50] Voice 10: and regional planning decisions should not incur adverse impacts to the natural heritage,

[0:55:56] Voice 10: Indigenous cultural heritage or community heritage in the trust area. So needless to say, this is a

[0:56:02] Voice 10: huge priority for First Nations. And as Lisa's chapter in the discussion paper from the March

[0:56:10] Voice 10: Trust Council meeting illustrated, this is something that the Trust hasn't been so good

[0:56:16] Voice 10: at accomplishing in the past. And so we're really trying to give it profile and priority at this

[0:56:22] Voice 10: stage. Lisa, is there anything else you'd like to

[0:56:25] Voice 9: add? No,

[0:56:31] Voice 6: thank you, Delaney. That's a really good

[0:56:33] Voice 6: overview of that so great

[0:56:36] Voice 9: okay and i'm going to try to go a little bit more quickly through the

[0:56:39] Voice 9: rest next slide please uh so this

[0:56:44] Voice 10: is another new section entirely devoted to housing policies

[0:56:47] Voice 10: so as trust council has directed um we have included some new policies fostering um both

[0:56:55] Voice 10: housing affordability as well as more low carbon footprints for development in the chest area

[0:57:01] Voice 10: So I won't read all of these, but we'll just say that these policies institute constraints for all development, and they identify the no compromise zones.

[0:57:15] Voice 10: And so this is where the notion of carrying capacity is sort of fleshed out a bit more in terms of the actual policies in the various sections of the statement.

[0:57:28] Voice 10: Protected area networks, groundwater regions, and Indigenous cultural heritage have been framed as sort of the no compromise zones and can really, together, assemble a notion of the carrying capacity of an island or a group of islands.

[0:57:43] Voice 10: And groundwater regions being the greatest indicator of carrying capacity. And we'll get to that in the next slide, I believe.

[0:57:51] Voice 10: leave. We've also talked about identifying appropriate locations for density increases

[0:57:58] Voice 10: and that would be enabled by this more evidence-based approach of identifying protected

[0:58:03] Voice 10: area networks, groundwater regions and cultural heritage such that appropriate locations could be

[0:58:10] Voice 10: identified where perhaps density increases would be appropriate. I'll go on to the next slide please.

[0:58:18] Voice 10: um so as i mentioned um this this policy has been in the policy statement uh for at least 20 years

[0:58:27] Voice 10: not longer um but hasn't really been taken up in a proactive way um and it's trust council's

[0:58:34] Voice 10: commitment to establishing a network of protected areas throughout the trust area

[0:58:38] Voice 10: acknowledging that unfragmented connectivity is necessary to preserve ecosystems in their

[0:58:45] Voice 10: natural state and in sufficient size and distribution to sustain their environmental

[0:58:50] Voice 10: integrity. So this is the notion in our policy directions report. We had spoken about the need

[0:58:56] Voice 10: to identify those areas that are in greatest need of protection, either because of their sensitivity

[0:59:02] Voice 10: or because of the biodiversity that we wish to protect. This is the way to do that and is

[0:59:10] Voice 10: directly linked to this notion of environmental integrity in other words the overall health of

[0:59:16] Voice 10: the system um and we have a tool um to do to do just this but the island stress conservancy

[0:59:24] Voice 10: uses what's called a spatial decision support system for conservation planning but this

[0:59:31] Voice 10: particular system um could help the trust side of things establish networks of protected areas

[0:59:38] Voice 10: is in each planning area.

[0:59:40] Voice 10: It combines spatial data, scientific knowledge,

[0:59:43] Voice 10: and institutional values to help establish these networks.

[0:59:49] Voice 10: And it balances knowledge of the natural environment

[0:59:52] Voice 10: with information about the built environment.

[0:59:54] Voice 10: And it lists a number of considerations and then tells

[1:00:00] Voice 10: planners and local trust communities and island municipalities, how to best prioritize their

[1:00:05] Voice 10: protective policies. Next slide. Chair, I'm wondering, we have a few more slides. I'm

[1:00:14] Voice 10: wondering if you wanted to pause now and resume, or do you want to just breeze through the next

[1:00:20] Voice 10: few slides?

[1:00:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, I'm keeping track on the deck too. I have the full deck. I think we should go

[1:00:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): ahead and finish out these next couple of slides because they give the whole picture then. And

[1:00:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): And then some trustees, I think trustees are going to want to dig in on a couple of places and ask questions, and I'd like to just make sure we have the whole thing sort of fleshed out.

[1:00:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): Sure, sure.

[1:00:40] Voice 10: Okay, great. And so the next spotlight we've highlighted is on freshwater sustainability.

[1:00:46] Voice 10: sustainability, we've started out with a commitment to take a precautionary and strategic

[1:00:52] Voice 10: approach to the stewardship of watershed ecosystems, freshwater networks, and groundwater

[1:00:58] Voice 10: recharge areas in the trust area in cooperation with First Nations, Indigenous knowledge holders,

[1:01:04] Voice 10: other government agencies, the public, and on the basis of the best available science.

[1:01:08] Voice 10: So this is echoed in a number of the stewardship categories, such as forests, agriculture, coastal and marine, and it's sort of signaling that broad approach based on the feedback that we received, that we wish to take both precautionary and strategic approach to stewardship.

[1:01:31] Voice 10: And the freshwater sustainability strategy, the development of that strategy is a perfect example of this process.

[1:01:38] Voice 10: We've spotlighted the new, what was formerly known as 4.4.2, is the new 4.2.6.

[1:01:47] Voice 10: And I just highlight that this policy, from our perspective, has been strengthened, certainly not weakened.

[1:01:54] Voice 10: There were some areas in the former policy statement, some words that were quite difficult to define, such as what is an area, how do you define a problem?

[1:02:05] Voice 10: um and uh we've made some uh revisions with the in the context of climate change as well

[1:02:12] Voice 10: and i think i'm going to pass it over to william very quickly to just speak to um the changes that

[1:02:19] Voice 10: have been made and i'll ask for brevity because we are on a timeline william yeah

[1:02:27] Voice 26: this is a large

[1:02:29] Voice 26: large topic. So, but I'll do my best to speak in brevity on this. So there was a lot of

[1:02:39] Voice 26: discussion about what is an area and area could have been defined as a parcel or as

[1:02:47] Voice 26: a watershed or as an island or a neighborhood is very subjective. Groundwater regions are

[1:02:56] Voice 26: an intermediate water management unit that has been defined on many islands in the Islands Trust

[1:03:03] Voice 26: Area, major islands, and we will be completing the delineation of those regions in the islands

[1:03:12] Voice 26: that don't have them this year. And those water management units have been used in the Islands

[1:03:19] Voice 26: trust areas since the 1970s and the agreement over the delineation of those regions will be

[1:03:27] Voice 26: between the islands trust and ministry of environment and flinro so we can use those areas

[1:03:34] Voice 26: for water authorizations and looking at them in a groundwater recharge perspective and a water

[1:03:43] Voice 26: budgeting perspective. And I can go into deeper detail about groundwater regions. There is some

[1:03:51] Voice 26: concern that it doesn't refer to surface water, and we can discuss that. The other statement

[1:03:59] Voice 26: is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable. So if you're not familiar with the process of the

[1:04:07] Voice 26: the Water Sustainability Act and those regulations, likely and likelihood is a legal defined term by

[1:04:14] Voice 26: the province. So it's not known to have, which was before that was the language before, which is

[1:04:22] Voice 26: a investigation of something that has happened. Or the other option was could be, which is

[1:04:31] Voice 26: things could happen anywhere likely and likelihood is a result from a evidence-based test

[1:04:39] Voice 26: and that test then can be further refined in deeper testing if there is a likelihood of say

[1:04:46] Voice 26: surface water connection to groundwater there can be further tests on the likelihood of that

[1:04:52] Voice 26: happening the likelihood of there being an over extraction of groundwater compared to its recharge

[1:04:58] Voice 26: If that's likely happening, then the likelihood can be tested further.

[1:05:04] Voice 26: The next one, the change of water demand and supply projections.

[1:05:10] Voice 26: So that is relating to not only climate change and its impact on precipitation in the future, but it also relates to the deemed right of existing users.

[1:05:24] Voice 26: So, if there is agriculture on an island, there should be water set aside for that agricultural use in the future, even if it's not being fully realized in the present day.

[1:05:39] Voice 26: and that the islands are self-sufficient in their supply of fresh water that is now a uh

[1:05:46] Voice 26: delaney helping with it i think a directive policy so that is just being promoted to a more um

[1:05:52] Voice 26: rather than a commitment it is now a policy um yes and i think that's i'll leave it at there

[1:05:59] Voice 26: hopefully that was

[1:06:01] Voice 26: brief enough yes

[1:06:02] Voice 10: thank you william yes and just to clarify the the last

[1:06:05] Voice 10: point was a previous Trust Council commitment that we've just brought down into a directive policy.

[1:06:11] Voice 10: Next slide please. We wanted to highlight some bolder policies that we've included in the

[1:06:22] Voice 10: coastal and marine section. Again this is from feedback from First Nations, from the public,

[1:06:29] Voice 10: from our working groups, that there's a need to be a lot bolder in our stewardship of coastal

[1:06:36] Voice 10: and marine areas. One of the ways that we framed this is in the Trust Council's commitments

[1:06:45] Voice 10: is a policy that coastal and marine harvesting and aquaculture in the Trust Area should be small

[1:06:51] Voice 10: scale, sustainable, regenerative, supportive of climate action, respectful of Indigenous

[1:06:56] Voice 10: harvesting areas, and protective of the environmental integrity of the Trust Area.

[1:07:01] Voice 10: And this is a common refrain that you'll see in a lot of the stewardship sections.

[1:07:06] Voice 10: This notion of like what is an appropriate approach in the rural islands of the trust area. And so these are, these are, this is a general approach applied to various thematic areas.

[1:07:19] Voice 10: And we have included a commitment of trust council or policy of trust council that the following restrictions are necessary in order to preserve and protect the sensitive coastal and marine waters.

[1:07:32] Voice 10: And so the first two are already in the previous policy statement about artificial reefs and finfish farms.

[1:07:39] Voice 10: We have proposed adding that seawalls and other hard shoreline armoring should not be developed.

[1:07:47] Voice 10: That private docks should be limited to boat access only properties and strengthening the community docks.

[1:07:55] Voice 10: That freighter anchorage sites in the southern Gulf Islands should be eliminated.

[1:07:59] Voice 10: and that oil tankers should not be permitted to transit through trust area waters so obviously

[1:08:04] Voice 10: a lot in the coastal and marine side will be enacted through coordination and advocacy policies

[1:08:11] Voice 10: some other policies of note protection of seagrass meadows and kelp beds acknowledging

[1:08:18] Voice 10: the multifaceted roles that they play in carbon capture and storage soft shoreline protection

[1:08:25] Voice 10: protection and the provision of habitats and spawning areas,

[1:08:29] Voice 10: the protection of First Nations inherent rights and access to coastal and marine

[1:08:33] Voice 10: harvesting sites and Indigenous cultural heritage on shorelines.

[1:08:38] Voice 10: And yes, as I mentioned,

[1:08:40] Voice 10: sort of highlighting Trust Council's coastal and marine coordination

[1:08:44] Voice 10: and advocacy role.

[1:08:47] Voice 10: And I would just highlight that this,

[1:08:49] Voice 10: in addition to cultural heritage, was of utmost concern to First Nations. So a lot of our boldness

[1:08:58] Voice 10: here is coming from that lens and Trust Council's commitment to reconciliation. Next slide, please.

[1:09:07] Voice 10: Okay, here's where we've highlighted some considerations. As you know, we're not yet

[1:09:13] Voice 10: in the implementation phase because of course Trust Council has to first pass the policy

[1:09:19] Voice 10: policy statement that it feels is reflecting its will and desire for the way forward.

[1:09:27] Voice 10: But we wanted to highlight some things that will be coming down the road. So once we have a sense

[1:09:34] Voice 10: of the direction of the policy statement, we'll then be looking at amendments to the policy

[1:09:39] Voice 10: statement implementation policy, which is one of Trust Council's policies. So it doesn't need to

[1:09:44] Voice 10: go through formal legislative review and it can be revised by trust council that will include

[1:09:52] Voice 10: amending the policy statement directives checklist so we've received a lot of feedback that the the

[1:09:58] Voice 10: checklist is not supportive of effective decision making and there are some tweaks that we can make

[1:10:05] Voice 10: to it to perhaps for example ask planners to identify how the policy has been met instead of a

[1:10:12] Voice 10: a sort of a check mark um there are some details to flesh out in terms of the of trust council's

[1:10:19] Voice 10: coordination and advocacy role if it wishes to take that up in a more meaningful way um i think

[1:10:26] Voice 10: when we looked at the kind of original vision for the trust it was that the trust would play

[1:10:31] Voice 10: a co-coordinating role in the region um which which really means taking a leadership role um in

[1:10:39] Voice 10: advocating on behalf of the trust to other agencies and so the way that we do that will

[1:10:46] Voice 10: require some some thought this approach would require some new educational materials about

[1:10:53] Voice 10: the object of the trust and the way that trust council plans to carry it out and as I mentioned

[1:11:00] Voice 10: at the beginning the policy statement is meant to be quite general and should endure through

[1:11:08] Voice 10: various trust council terms, although it can be amended. It ideally should be general enough that

[1:11:15] Voice 10: it's a long-term vision, but there's a whole sort of sub-level of action plans and toolkits that

[1:11:21] Voice 10: could flesh out some of these ideas in a more substantive way, in a similar way to the

[1:11:27] Voice 10: freshwater sustainability work that's going on right now. For example, if we decided to

[1:11:33] Voice 10: really take a more proactive approach to the establishment of protected areas that could

[1:11:39] Voice 10: involve a toolkit that would allow local trust committees and on island municipalities to have

[1:11:45] Voice 10: greater support in developing that approach there are important links to the strategic plans and the

[1:11:54] Voice 10: budget process as you know we are moving towards a regional planning approach through the development

[1:12:02] Voice 10: of a regional planning team that is currently undertaking an official community plan review and

[1:12:08] Voice 10: so the links to this between this process and that process are important to flesh out and some of

[1:12:16] Voice 10: what is being proposed here a more evidence-based approach more engagement with nations delving into

[1:12:23] Voice 10: this identification of the caring capacity will require more data which will require more funding

[1:12:32] Voice 10: and perhaps some specialist expertise that we don't currently have in the organization.

[1:12:37] Voice 10: And that may involve going to the province to say, if this is the will of Trust Council,

[1:12:43] Voice 10: then we're in need of more funding to kind of enact this approach.

[1:12:50] Voice 10: And it would also include a discussion with the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[1:12:54] Voice 10: We have Kate Emmings on the line today.

[1:12:57] Voice 10: She's been very kind in helping us in the drafting process.

[1:13:01] Voice 10: but really the Islands Trust Conservancy is a separate organization with its own board and its

[1:13:07] Voice 10: own direction in terms of work plan and so we need to if we're going towards this approach we need to

[1:13:13] Voice 10: develop a good understanding of how we liaise with the Conservancy and where we need to develop our

[1:13:19] Voice 10: own in-house expertise and just as a final note before we pause for questions again I'd just like

[1:13:26] Voice 10: to invite Kate in case she wishes to add anything at this stage, if she's available.

[1:13:37] Voice 27: Thanks, Talani. Well, I guess I should start by saying that I think the Islands Trust Conservancy

[1:13:43] Voice 27: is always very willing to assist local trust committees and trust council in their work.

[1:13:50] Voice 27: One of the things that we do find is that we have our own set of guiding documents that kind of

[1:13:58] Voice 27: inspire our work plans and direct our staff and so in moving forward with the work that we do

[1:14:04] Voice 27: we often aren't integrating a lot of these higher considerations that trust council has

[1:14:11] Voice 27: and so I think what Delaney is just trying to highlight is the the need to not

[1:14:18] Voice 27: lean too hard into the conservancy for some of these really important issues that are coming up

[1:14:23] Voice 27: for islands trust having said that we do work on several initiatives that um i think have a lot of

[1:14:30] Voice 27: overlap and i would really like to see trust council take advantage of those where and when

[1:14:35] Voice 27: applicable and delaney did highlight earlier some of the work we've done on this um a decision

[1:14:41] Voice 27: support tool um that i think could be very helpful for some of the work that you are engaging in

[1:14:46] Voice 27: And so certainly where there is overlap,

[1:14:49] Voice 27: we very much want to provide that support.

[1:14:53] Voice 27: Thanks, Delaney.

[1:14:54] Voice 9: Thank you, Kate.

[1:14:55] Voice 9: Next slide, please.

[1:14:58] Voice 9: Okay, so we're here at a question period again.

[1:15:01] Voice 9: I'll pass it back to the chair.

[1:15:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you.

[1:15:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): And I just want to, before we get into questions,

[1:15:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): we're gonna have two different

[1:15:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): sort of initial rounds of questions.

[1:15:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): One is just any other clarifying questions

[1:15:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): on the remainder of what has been presented,

[1:15:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then we'll break into a broader question about like,

[1:15:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): is this the direction we want to go?

[1:15:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): So if there is questions right now,

[1:15:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): first around clarifications,

[1:15:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): if we can have those first.

[1:15:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): Trustee Brent.

[1:15:35] Voice 19: It's really not a clarification.

[1:15:37] Voice 19: I was just wondering if I can get a copy of the slides

[1:15:39] Voice 19: that we've seen today.

[1:15:41] Voice 10: Yes, absolutely.

[1:15:42] Voice 10: We'll be sending those to everybody after the presentation,

[1:15:45] Voice 10: after today's meeting.

[1:15:47] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:15:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yes, if they could be posted in the drive for the meeting as well, that would be beneficial.

[1:15:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you.

[1:15:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you.

[1:15:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): Trustee McConkie?

[1:15:57] Trustee McConchie (probable): Hey, thanks for the presentation.

[1:15:59] Trustee McConchie (probable): I thought that was great.

[1:16:00] Trustee McConchie (probable): And I really actually enjoyed the timbre of your voice.

[1:16:03] Trustee McConchie (probable): It's nice to listen to.

[1:16:04] Trustee McConchie (probable): So I appreciated the way it was done.

[1:16:06] Trustee McConchie (probable): How would you explain to someone at Browning, like Browning's our local pub, right?

[1:16:12] Trustee McConchie (probable): Like, and I walk in and it's like, McConkie, what's going on at the Island Trust?

[1:16:15] Trustee McConchie (probable): Trust and I said well we're working on a spatial decision support system how would you explain that

[1:16:22] Trustee McConchie (probable): to someone at the pub what that is so

[1:16:25] Voice 10: I would say very simply that we are trying to identify the

[1:16:30] Voice 10: areas on each island or in each planning area that need extra protection right now in terms of

[1:16:38] Voice 10: their sensitivity their fragility because of climate change or because of the biodiversity

[1:16:43] Voice 10: diversity crisis um and or um because of the cultural heritage that's present there as well

[1:16:52] Voice 10: so we're looking at kind of how to frame the areas that need most protection so that we can then

[1:17:00] Voice 10: decide where there's some flexibility to address community needs in the broader landscape i don't

[1:17:05] Voice 10: know if that's enough i don't know if that's a good explanation

[1:17:07] Trustee McConchie (probable): i might have lost the guy at the

[1:17:09] Trustee McConchie (probable): pub there i don't know i dig it i just i'm just wondering how i how to communicate that so it

[1:17:16] Trustee McConchie (probable): means something to people on the islands you know

[1:17:19] Voice 10: let me think about that maybe i can come back to

[1:17:23] Voice 10: you on may 14th with a better answer all

[1:17:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): right other clarifying questions uh case yeah i can't

[1:17:33] Voice 2: i couldn't find my hand so i put up my hand okay

[1:17:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): i got my screen issue worked out so now i can see

[1:17:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): everyone so we're

[1:17:41] Voice 2: good yeah just curious about the specialist expertise you're talking about

[1:17:44] Voice 2: and government funding so what you're talking about is going to government for a special funding

[1:17:50] Voice 2: to cover some of these resources as opposed to local taxpayers because and i and i agree with

[1:17:56] Voice 2: that because that role really is the original trust mandate which is looking at what is

[1:18:03] Voice 2: happening and providing some sort of guidance to local now local trust committees so i just

[1:18:10] Voice 2: just want to confirm that that's what you're talking about then yeah

[1:18:12] Voice 10: and i think it's a it's

[1:18:14] Voice 10: a conversation that trust council needs to have but certainly

[1:18:17] Voice 10: from our perspective um the feedback

[1:18:20] Voice 10: that we've received loud and clear is that we need to make more evidence-based decision making

[1:18:26] Voice 10: we need a clearer understanding of the landscape of each island um to be able to really enact the

[1:18:32] Voice 10: preserve and protect mandate um and uh we we could argue that all governments need that but it's

[1:18:38] Voice 10: it's especially true in light of the trust object that the province has given

[1:18:42] Voice 10: us. And so with that in mind,

[1:18:45] Voice 10: the idea was that we would go to the province and there are existing

[1:18:49] Voice 10: partnerships that we can lean into in terms of, you know,

[1:18:53] Voice 10: existing funding pools. But if we have this broad vision,

[1:18:57] Voice 10: then we can turn our attention to how to enact it. That's the thinking.

[1:19:02] Voice 2: Yeah. Well,

[1:19:03] Voice 2: that's great because we have a freshwater specialist for that topic,

[1:19:06] Voice 2: but we

[1:19:07] Voice 2: have an ecologist or not on staff exactly

[1:19:10] Voice 10: exactly that's that's uh because

[1:19:13] Voice 2: we rely on we

[1:19:14] Voice 2: rely on reports from the the applicant right they hire someone to provide a report and would provide

[1:19:21] Voice 2: give us the capacity to have maybe a slightly more independent review of what's what's being

[1:19:26] Voice 2: presented

[1:19:27] Voice 15: trustee rogers sorry

[1:19:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm gonna go thank you i'm going to go back to my my earlier question

[1:19:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): about definitions i just want to make sure i understand your answer you said they're in the

[1:19:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the context at the beginning of the sections that's where you thought the definitions would be

[1:19:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): so is are you if i'm on for example on page 23 which is the context of the regional governance

[1:19:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): section are you talking what those those folded headings no

[1:19:59] Voice 10: that's what you're talking about

[1:20:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): No.

[1:20:01] Voice 10: So like, for example, terms that we felt needed to be defined like adaptive management or sustainability or resilience, those we've included in the paragraphs themselves in the interpretive context.

[1:20:17] Voice 10: We felt that the previous policy statement was quite confusing because there were so many footnotes and then there was a duplication of definitions in the definition section, but not all of them were there.

[1:20:29] Voice 10: and so um one of the pieces of feedback that we got uh i think was from trust council meeting

[1:20:36] Voice 10: was that we might want to look more at the notion of interpretations of some of these terms rather

[1:20:41] Voice 10: than definitions um and so we framed it in that way but if if it doesn't suit we'd be open to

[1:20:48] Voice 10: sort of your feedback well

[1:20:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay um i think

[1:20:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think feedback's supposed to come later so i'll stop

[1:20:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): up yeah

[1:20:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): but i just i want to ask a follow-up clarifying question so if i understand you

[1:21:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): correctly don't the line what you're saying is that as the term appears in the flow of the trust

[1:21:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): policy statement it is defined as it unfolds yes

[1:21:11] Voice 10: if we don't define it in the policy itself then

[1:21:14] Voice 10: it's in the preamble of that section or one of the previous sections can

[1:21:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): you give me an example

[1:21:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): because I honestly can't

[1:21:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): find one okay so I'm not being difficult

[1:21:24] Voice 10: no worries I just have to pull up

[1:21:27] Voice 10: so for example um let me just scroll down here so in the regional um in the regional governance

[1:21:37] Voice 10: section that's the one that you're looking at um we have said in the climate action um paragraph

[1:21:46] Voice 10: graph for example trust council so uncertainties around the rate and scale of climate change

[1:21:51] Voice 10: impacts are also requiring more precautionary and adaptive management approaches across the region

[1:21:57] Voice 10: precautionary approaches emphasize caution pausing and review before leaping into innovations which

[1:22:03] Voice 10: may cause harm due to scientific uncertainty adaptive approaches are structured iterative

[1:22:08] Voice 10: processes of decision making intended to reduce uncertainty over time through periodic monitoring

[1:22:14] Voice 10: and evaluation and evidence-based policy adjustments so previously those would have

[1:22:19] Voice 10: been either in a footnote or a definition we've put them into the context here we felt that that

[1:22:26] Voice 10: led to more clarity that was the rationale thank

[1:22:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): you all right so any other clarifying questions

[1:22:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): at this moment

[1:22:39] Voice 15: trustee colburn yeah

[1:22:42] Voice 28: i'm just going back to the strategic plan and um it actually

[1:22:48] Voice 28: actually like item 16 or bullet or number 16 in the official plan says review the island stress

[1:22:56] Voice 28: policy statement to ensure that it includes a clear and well thought out definition of

[1:23:00] Voice 28: affordability and includes clearly articulate articulated vision goal and objectives for

[1:23:05] Voice 28: affordable housing and includes reference to affordable housing its policy direction to LTCs

[1:23:10] Voice 28: and municipalities so I think this might be a question for David Marler again but I'm just

[1:23:16] Voice 28: wondering if that's captured. I agree with Trustee Rogers, I'm having trouble finding some of the

[1:23:21] Voice 28: clearly articulated definitions, especially when it's right there in the strategic plan that was

[1:23:29] Voice 28: voted on by the majority of trust counsel to have in this policy statement amendment of this iteration.

[1:23:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so is that a question for David or Delaney? So I think if Trustee Colburn, if I can,

[1:23:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): And I'm hearing that the question is, where is the clear definition of affordable housing?

[1:23:49] Voice 28: Yeah. And also just does this draft meet the the items that were set forth as priorities in the strategic plan?

[1:24:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm going to ask for the first one first. Delaney, is there a definition of affordable housing?

[1:24:07] Voice 10: There's not. And that is because the working group wasn't unable to come up with a definition, a working definition for affordability.

[1:24:14] Voice 10: I think we determined that that's, it's a very difficult concept to define.

[1:24:20] Voice 10: And so we haven't included a definition here, but in the housing policies at the beginning

[1:24:27] Voice 10: of section 6.2, we've identified its role in sustainable and resilient communities.

[1:24:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[1:24:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): And then I just need a clarification on the second question.

[1:24:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): The second question is about the strategic plan, but the strategic plan doesn't necessarily

[1:24:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): does it dictate the policy or does the policy dictate the strategic plan I'm a little bit in

[1:24:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): a chicken and egg question there so

[1:24:52] Voice 10: we took the direction so the direction from trust council

[1:24:55] Voice 10: to amend the policy statement was from the strategic plan okay thank you okay

[1:25:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): so this

[1:25:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): but to trustee Colburn's point then the the direction was to include a definition but we

[1:25:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): don't have a definition because we couldn't come up with a definition and so we're not quite

[1:25:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): quite meeting our obligation as per our strategic policy

[1:25:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): because we couldn't come up with a definition.

[1:25:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): So it is a chicken and egg problem.

[1:25:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[1:25:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so I'm not sure how to go forward with that

[1:25:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): other than really advising trustees

[1:25:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): as we see something more concrete here

[1:25:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): to like if this helps us get to a definition

[1:25:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): to suggest text, like by the deadline that we have

[1:25:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): to like be able to incorporate that,

[1:25:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): that would be my suggestion.

[1:25:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): But Trustee Kolbert, do you wanna follow up at all on that?

[1:25:42] Voice 28: I'll follow up later in the meeting, thank you.

[1:25:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay. All right. Any other clarifying questions? Okay. I'm going to give us a, I'm going to ask

[1:25:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): for a five minute break because I honestly think we need the hour and a half. So I'm going to ask

[1:25:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): us to take a five minute cooking coffee, go shake your body and come back at 530. Please mute your

[1:26:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): mics. And if you need to, you can turn your cameras off, but don't disconnect from the meeting.

[1:31:02] Voice 16: all right and if trustees can turn

[1:31:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): their cameras on just so i'm

[1:31:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): confirming everybody's back in the quorum would be helpful

[1:31:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): almost everybody back i need to i'm just missing a few

[1:31:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): trustees so again if um you're back if i can have cameras on just to confirm that

[1:31:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): everybody's

[1:31:41] Voice 16: back all

[1:31:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): right i'm not

[1:31:56] Voice 15: seeing trustee kale

[1:31:57] Voice 15: language so colbert

[1:31:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): critchley just four trustees out so i'm gonna wait

[1:32:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): it out

[1:32:01] Voice 15: trustee

[1:32:14] Voice 16: colbert i see you now if you

[1:32:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to turn your camera off i know you hope that bandwidth critchley kale and langer ice i just need

[1:32:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): to

[1:32:22] Voice 16: confirm you're back okay thank you case six actually we have quorum we're gonna move on all

[1:32:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): right so um the remainder of our conversation first before we get into the remainder of our

[1:32:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): conversation i'm gonna take this moment and pause and just thank um all of the staff who've worked

[1:32:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): on this um delaney and liston have given it a significant amount of their time um so thank you

[1:33:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): very much for all the effort and Claire for all the like work in making sure that this is moving

[1:33:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): forward um so all of like our comments as we start to unpack and think about the trust policy

[1:33:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): statement really want to frame this as advice the committee is giving to staff as direction

[1:33:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): um and not a reflection on any current effort so far um to date so we're we're I want to hear

[1:33:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): comments that are really going to move us forward as a trust policy statement in the direction that

[1:33:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): we as a committee feel reflects the trust council's current guidance that they've given us

[1:33:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): and any other guidance that we feel the need to throw in okay so keeping our comments in that

[1:33:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): productive forward thinking vein is going to be helpful to us all not I don't know how to frame

[1:33:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): that because you know how I feel about some of these things so we don't agree on everything

[1:34:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's a given all right so what we need to do is be civil so let's try and figure a way forward

[1:34:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): on this conversation to make sure we're clear and civil and if we need to vote on things we'll vote

[1:34:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): on things but at this point we're really trying to give trust program committee level advice

[1:34:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): forward to executive committee that they will then take forward a trust council on next steps

[1:34:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): all right um chair luck I'm going to pause for a second and just see if you would add any framing

[1:34:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): to that oh

[1:34:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): um thank you no I think um indeed um as you indicated there's uh lots of room here for

[1:34:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): discussion and and and and the provision and addition of clarity I think what we have here

[1:34:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): is a first draft of a technical rendering of the document,

[1:34:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): potential document that has been collected

[1:35:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): from information and interviews

[1:35:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): and all of the process of getting here.

[1:35:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): And now is very much a stage of the political emphasis

[1:35:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): on areas or de-emphasis on areas

[1:35:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): is that we as the elected feel is important to make this work councils. And so I'm certainly

[1:35:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): very appreciative of the work that has been done by staff. And indeed, now is the time for the

[1:35:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): elected to enhance it in the way that they feel is appropriate.

[1:35:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you. All right. So it would

[1:35:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): be helpful as people decide to weigh in on the question that's going to guide the remainder of

[1:35:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): of our conversation today.

[1:35:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): If you can weigh in with,

[1:35:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): this is like a red light issue for you.

[1:35:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): You just, you know, you need to really have us

[1:35:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): think deeply about if it's more of a, you know,

[1:35:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): question that you just want clarification on going forward

[1:36:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): or if it's something you can also say

[1:36:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): the things that are wonderful.

[1:36:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right.

[1:36:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): Russ, would you like to say anything else

[1:36:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): before we proceed?

[1:36:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay.

[1:36:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right, Trustee Brent.

[1:36:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): So the question that's on the table here

[1:36:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): is really does the trust committee trust programs committee feel that this document fulfills trust

[1:36:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): council's direction to update the policy statement so i'm going to start with trustee brent okay well

[1:36:25] Voice 19: i appreciate that there's a immense amount of work that's been done uh no question and and uh

[1:36:31] Voice 19: and kudos for those that dove as deep as they did to come up with this um and you know i'm one that

[1:36:39] Voice 19: uh says that they're not afraid of of change and you know we should embrace change and and be bold

[1:36:47] Voice 19: and stuff like that but i'm taken aback a little bit by the the depth and breadth of this and

[1:36:57] Voice 19: um but that's okay i'm just one person and so what i'm thinking is you know we've heard uh

[1:37:04] Voice 19: I'm hearing that we've had a lot of information provided to us in terms of where to go.

[1:37:12] Voice 19: And so I'm sure if I was to share some of this with members of my community,

[1:37:18] Voice 19: they wouldn't be as shocked or as taken aback as I am.

[1:37:23] Voice 19: And so that's what I'm intending to do, is share some of this with my community,

[1:37:27] Voice 19: because it's, it is really broad reaching. And I think I need help. So that's my feedback. I mean,

[1:37:39] Voice 19: it's, it's got some really cool stuff in there. It's got some stuff that horrifies me, but that's

[1:37:44] Voice 19: okay. It's just me. But that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to reach, reach out to members

[1:37:50] Voice 19: of the community. I'm going to reach out to former trustees and get, and see what their feedback is.

[1:37:56] Voice 19: and you know just so that we get a complete feel as to um how the residents of these islands

[1:38:04] Voice 19: react to this and we're not going to get many people because you're going to be looking at

[1:38:09] Voice 19: a large document that has to be compared with the existing document and that's that's my comment

[1:38:15] Voice 19: thanks thank

[1:38:20] Voice 16: you trustee brent other if we can use digital hands that would be helpful

[1:38:31] Voice 16: trustee

[1:38:31] Voice 15: mcconkey okay

[1:38:34] Trustee McConchie (probable): i'll get it going here um does it answer the question well i don't think

[1:38:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): it emphasizes our need to work with other government agencies enough um and we need to

[1:38:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): emphasize that because unfortunately most of the problems i feel as a trustee on north pender i

[1:38:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): need to solve require numerous levels of jurisdictional issues within our waters i mean

[1:38:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): I mean, even even the statement like, you know, we don't want folks driving tankers through the trust area waters.

[1:39:05] Trustee McConchie (probable): Well, what I haven't seen a map of our waters before. Right.

[1:39:09] Trustee McConchie (probable): Because I'm not I'm not sure we're jurisdictionally in control of our waters, which is why we write the federal government all the time.

[1:39:17] Trustee McConchie (probable): So at first glance, you know, when I'm reading this, you know, it's an identity document and our identity should be that we're we're collaborative with other agencies.

[1:39:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): And I feel like that should be emphasized more, particularly with regards to the numerous issues that are laid out with regards to affordable housing.

[1:39:39] Trustee McConchie (probable): I mean, we need to work with other governments to solve these issues, right?

[1:39:43] Trustee McConchie (probable): So I'm wondering if, you know, did my fellow trustees, should we be emphasizing that more in the policy statement document?

[1:39:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): Thank

[1:39:58] Voice 16: you. Others? Just to be clear,

[1:40:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): silence is, do you agree with everything? Oh, sorry, Dan, your hand is really faint in the corner of your window, so it's hard to see it. Go ahead, Trustee Rogers.

[1:40:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thanks. I'm sorry about that. I'm not sure why that is. Let me just mute my phones as it beeps away.

[1:40:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): way um so i was going to sort of wait and hear what other trustees had to say but they're

[1:40:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): apparently waiting for what we other all of us have to say um the answer to your question is

[1:40:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): so the question that's posed that was on the the uh on the uh screen a few minutes ago

[1:40:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): go is no, in my view. And I've let staff know my view. And I'll tell you a few reasons why I say

[1:41:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): it does not follow the direction of the Trust Council. If you read the object section, which

[1:41:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is 1.4, I believe, of the trust policy statement.

[1:41:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): Despite the lengthy debate that we had at trust council related to this,

[1:41:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): the word community does not appear in that whole section.

[1:41:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): It just is not there.

[1:41:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that's very problematic,

[1:41:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): given that there was a specific motion that indicated that I proposed

[1:41:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): and was moved and was adopted by trust council

[1:41:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): and granted to the chair, not everyone voted in favor

[1:41:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): but it passed, you know, with a reasonable majority

[1:41:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): that section three did include inclusive communities,

[1:42:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): including but not limited to housing and transportation

[1:42:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): yet communities are not included.

[1:42:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): The word inclusive is not in this document.

[1:42:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just spelled checked it and it doesn't appear.

[1:42:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): appear. The word equitable appears once in relation to climate change. And despite the

[1:42:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): discussion at Trust Council about the importance of communities, and yes, there are enhanced

[1:42:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): policies or policies related to that. I have a whole other description about the housing policy

[1:42:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): section, but I'm going to leave that for now. The section on regional governance

[1:42:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): effectively treats amenities as related only to First Nation cultural heritage, and I'm

[1:43:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): totally supportive of that, and we passed a motion that that was the case, but it was never intended,

[1:43:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): intended, in my view to be exclusively that. And frankly, the, I think that the policy

[1:43:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): that this proposal sort of rewrite section three, because it doesn't mention amenities

[1:43:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): when you get to the section on regional governance and the policies. It talks about the environment

[1:43:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and Indigenous cultural heritage and takes the word amenities out and amenities in section

[1:43:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Section 3. So I have some serious considerations about this particular document, the way it's

[1:43:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): written, because I think it does not reflect the discussion that we had in March and before that

[1:43:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): related to the competing, I won't call them competing, the various interests of the Trust

[1:44:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): council i always see it as as that that it was a three-legged and it's a bad analogy it's an

[1:44:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): old analogy that there's three-legged stool and that one leg has effectively been removed in this

[1:44:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): in this um in this uh in this draft so i i don't my answer to the question would be no

[1:44:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i'm not quite sure where that takes us as a result um because i'm i'm concerned about that

[1:44:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): so

[1:44:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): um trustee rogers if i can try to restate the specific guidance that you think is needed to

[1:44:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): fix this it would be that we're missing inclusive communities the rest of the communities and

[1:44:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): equitable is only mentioned once that this is problematic because it's not in the object area

[1:44:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): of the statement and that when you get into i think you said section three on regional governance

[1:44:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): that entities is not used was it section three you said in

[1:45:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): the new section on regional governance

[1:45:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is where the uh high level policies are there the commitments that's on page 24

[1:45:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh the what it the what used to read uh protecting the integrity of the environment

[1:45:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): and amenities of the regional of the trust area has now been replaced by the environment and

[1:45:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): indigenous cultural heritage and and the word amenities is gone and um and as a result and i

[1:45:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): as i understood the rationale was because the third thinking was amenities was too broad

[1:45:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and had certain uh and had could have a number of meanings and i agree with that i think it does

[1:45:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): have a number of meanings and i think that's intentionally what's there um one of the only

[1:45:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): thing we specifically decided was that amenities included indigenous cultural heritage and i should

[1:46:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): say i support every part of this document that's in blue that relates to the cultural heritage

[1:46:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think it's very good work i'm very supportive of that i think that's all good okay so thank you

[1:46:17] Voice 16: all right um trustee

[1:46:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): Colburn oh and sorry trustee Colburn just before you go um I do need to just

[1:46:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): stress that this is the moment for folks to you know share thoughts it because this is a committee's

[1:46:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): task it is actually really important for us not to take our individual comments to staff but to

[1:46:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): to bring them into this forum we're doing now,

[1:46:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): share them and then share written feedback back

[1:46:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): because we don't want to inundate staff

[1:46:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): with 26 trustees talking to them.

[1:46:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): So please make sure that we're doing that.

[1:46:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): Trustee Colburn.

[1:46:58] Voice 28: Yeah, thank you and thank you for the discussion.

[1:47:00] Voice 28: And I kind of started my first question with thanking staff

[1:47:03] Voice 28: and it's a huge undertaking

[1:47:05] Voice 28: and there's a lot of pent up demand for this.

[1:47:07] Voice 28: I think what's also been pent up

[1:47:10] Voice 28: is a sort of a lack of political will

[1:47:12] Voice 28: to live up to the mandate of the Islands Trust.

[1:47:15] Voice 28: that's what we're dealing with and we're dealing with it in very real terms in the way that these

[1:47:19] Voice 28: islands have been developed and where we where we actually all come together is we want to limit

[1:47:25] Voice 28: development and prioritize the environment and protect cultural heritage sites this document

[1:47:31] Voice 28: is historic because it'll never redress the injustices of how these islands were settled

[1:47:35] Voice 28: on occupied land but it at least recognizes that and sets forward the task of a shared project

[1:47:45] Voice 28: to make this a more equitable and inclusive place.

[1:47:49] Voice 28: So the sections in blue, thank you, Trustee Rogers.

[1:47:53] Voice 28: I agree with every word and I think it's an historic,

[1:47:56] Voice 28: I think it's something to celebrate on those terms.

[1:47:59] Voice 28: But you can't, if we all agree that we wanna limit

[1:48:02] Voice 28: development and prioritize the environment

[1:48:03] Voice 28: for tech, cultural, heritage sites, it becomes the how.

[1:48:07] Voice 28: What are the directive policies?

[1:48:08] Voice 28: What's the actual actions that come out of the language,

[1:48:12] Voice 28: language, the prefaces and everything else, the how. And there's a piece of this that is

[1:48:17] Voice 28: scientifically unsupportable, and that's caring capacity. There's no, it's, and I shared a kind

[1:48:26] Voice 28: of think piece from Sustainable Gabriola and an environmental economist named Sheila Houston kind

[1:48:31] Voice 28: of early in this term. And I've gone back to that and reread it and I'll share it again.

[1:48:35] Voice 28: Dan, you can't define that in scientific terms.

[1:48:40] Voice 28: You especially can't leave it up to 13 different local trust committees to come up with their

[1:48:43] Voice 28: own formulas for what is caring capacities.

[1:48:46] Voice 28: It's simply not a measurable tool.

[1:48:52] Voice 28: However you define the water, however you define, it's about the impact.

[1:48:56] Voice 28: Some humans have different impacts on the environment.

[1:48:58] Voice 28: Some humans live in a denser way.

[1:49:00] Voice 28: Some forms of housing are more intensive in terms of their use.

[1:49:04] Voice 28: and there's a pent-up demand for affordable housing for attainable housing within the

[1:49:11] Voice 28: islands because of the lack of political will to carve out that space from property owners

[1:49:19] Voice 28: and and we have to address that and it there we do have the tools to do it we do have ways to do

[1:49:25] Voice 28: that we can't do it if we're talking on and if we're putting a values-based judgment on types

[1:49:31] Voice 28: and forms of housing that prioritize cultural heritage and protection

[1:49:35] Voice 28: environment in terms of carrying capacity and that's a central tenet in

[1:49:39] Voice 28: this I don't think this lives up to the direction we provided to it if it's

[1:49:43] Voice 28: gonna live and breathe with that component so central to it and some

[1:49:47] Voice 28: other definitions of what we need and what the actions are aren't clearly

[1:49:52] Voice 28: delineated so I agree with trustee Rogers the sections in blue are

[1:49:56] Voice 28: historic there's something to celebrate I'm not sure that the actions and the

[1:50:01] Voice 28: the decision-making framework that come out of the sections

[1:50:05] Voice 28: that should lead us to a more inclusive, equitable,

[1:50:10] Voice 28: diverse population of humans coexisting together.

[1:50:15] Voice 28: It's not in here now.

[1:50:17] Voice 28: And I think we need to remove caring capacity.

[1:50:20] Voice 28: We can have a, I don't know where it came from honestly,

[1:50:23] Voice 28: because it hasn't really been in the discussions

[1:50:25] Voice 28: we've come through.

[1:50:25] Voice 28: It's actually been something that I've continued

[1:50:27] Voice 28: to point out.

[1:50:27] Voice 28: We can't frame decision-making in that way.

[1:50:29] Voice 28: Thank

[1:50:35] Voice 16: you. Trustee Fenton?

[1:50:37] Voice 16: There

[1:50:43] Trustee Fenton (probable): we go. Yeah, I speak in general terms, I speak in favor of what the work that's been done today. I think there's lots of debate around it. But given the tasks before us, I think that we're coming back to this whole housing piece now sort of confounding my conversation and thought.

[1:51:09] Trustee Fenton (probable): but I think the affordable housing doesn't make sense

[1:51:15] Trustee Fenton (probable): because it's only a piece or a column

[1:51:18] Trustee Fenton (probable): of the whole notion of equal justice

[1:51:22] Trustee Fenton (probable): in the bigger picture, right?

[1:51:24] Trustee Fenton (probable): And if that discussion and even the committee meeting

[1:51:28] Trustee Fenton (probable): was looking at equal justice as the topic

[1:51:33] Trustee Fenton (probable): and housing falling out of that

[1:51:34] Trustee Fenton (probable): or all of these other pieces,

[1:51:36] Trustee Fenton (probable): Then a lot of these other central concerns brought up by both Scott and Dan will be addressed because they would have been tenants within their conversation, as opposed to trying to figure out how much housing to have on any one island.

[1:51:54] Trustee Fenton (probable): excellent um so i'm thinking we maybe need to take the conversation up because we're trying

[1:52:00] Trustee Fenton (probable): to solve a bigger problem in constrained a constrained area of conversation and i think

[1:52:08] Trustee Fenton (probable): maybe that's given our situation maybe we you know a subcommittee breaks off and we they

[1:52:13] Trustee Fenton (probable): hammer away at that in that greater context get some guidance in if we need it um and try to come

[1:52:21] Trustee Fenton (probable): up because we you know short notice obviously but make it work in the short term uh my question to

[1:52:27] Trustee Fenton (probable): uh trustee rogers would the definitions and things that are missing within the text simply be added

[1:52:35] Trustee Fenton (probable): and or i mean this is a draft you

[1:52:37] Voice 17: can turn

[1:52:38] Trustee Fenton (probable): it into whatever we want so we can cut those definitions

[1:52:42] Trustee Fenton (probable): and or pieces be added um to his satisfaction you know literally now as we speak and then the uh

[1:52:52] Trustee Fenton (probable): other one was the carrying capacity my sense of carrying capacity i think was alluded to

[1:52:57] Trustee Fenton (probable): in discussion around water from our water sustainability specialist and the whole

[1:53:05] Trustee Fenton (probable): notion of that is it comes back to science as it's not going to be something i trust you should

[1:53:10] Trustee Fenton (probable): should be making I don't and not even a planner for that matter a planner refers to whatever the

[1:53:14] Trustee Fenton (probable): current science is based on the data that's been provided we're developing a strategy moving

[1:53:20] Trustee Fenton (probable): forward so it'll be a not a convoluted but a complex decision making process or framework I

[1:53:29] Trustee Fenton (probable): guess that will come to us it's not available to us today but maybe we need to refer to that more

[1:53:34] Trustee Fenton (probable): more clearly in the document to allow us to be comfortable knowing that that's where we're going to go and how we're going to make decisions.

[1:53:42] Trustee Fenton (probable): But I heard from their, or that discussion, they were speaking to carrying capacity, you know, in a logical, sort of thoughtful or mindful and futuristically looking perspective.

[1:53:55] Trustee Fenton (probable): perspective uh i would like to add one piece in that is living the whole notion of actually doing

[1:54:07] Trustee Fenton (probable): and we speak to it the tone in this document is good um but it's truly about living sustainability

[1:54:15] Trustee Fenton (probable): living sustainably that definition was put in those changes that were made in the late 90s

[1:54:21] Trustee Fenton (probable): or wherever that policy statement was shifted around the definition was there but nobody

[1:54:26] Trustee Fenton (probable): Nobody listened to it. Nobody actually lived it.

[1:54:28] Trustee Fenton (probable): And that's where I like the whole notion of moving things to the preamble

[1:54:32] Trustee Fenton (probable): and or putting it into context in the part of the document that it's being used

[1:54:38] Trustee Fenton (probable): actually makes us, and we should even emphasize that framework.

[1:54:42] Trustee Fenton (probable): One of the frameworks I'd suggested earlier in this game

[1:54:45] Trustee Fenton (probable): was the United Nations Sustainable Development Framework.

[1:54:48] Trustee Fenton (probable): And that was just not that it was perfect or anything,

[1:54:52] Trustee Fenton (probable): but what it did do is make you go down and actually go through and look at

[1:54:56] Trustee Fenton (probable): and break it down into all of these different components

[1:54:59] Trustee Fenton (probable): when we are making any major decisions

[1:55:01] Trustee Fenton (probable): based on whichever element we were looking at.

[1:55:05] Trustee Fenton (probable): And, you know, we're sort of missing that

[1:55:10] Trustee Fenton (probable): and something that we could consider doing as a tool

[1:55:14] Trustee Fenton (probable): to actually give us the framework

[1:55:16] Trustee Fenton (probable): we need to have that discussion

[1:55:18] Trustee Fenton (probable): to know that we are actually moving forward,

[1:55:21] Trustee Fenton (probable): that we are actually going to change human behavior,

[1:55:25] Trustee Fenton (probable): which is going to be difficult,

[1:55:28] Trustee Fenton (probable): so that we can live sustainably within the context of our trustee area,

[1:55:35] Trustee Fenton (probable): not just placate the definition that we've had now for the last 20 years.

[1:55:40] Trustee Fenton (probable): Thank you.

[1:55:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thank you.

[1:55:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): My kids are home from school,

[1:55:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): so I can't guarantee it's going to be quiet here anymore, but we'll see.

[1:55:51] Voice 16: Trustee Critchley.

[1:55:56] Voice 16: Thank you.

[1:55:56] Voice 16: Thank you.

[1:55:57] Trustee Critchley (probable): I want to start off by thanking staff and congratulating them on producing a very literate document. I found it very easy to read. I like the way it flowed. I like the style. And I like most of the content.

[1:56:20] Trustee Critchley (probable): it. In fact, I'm not going to put too much faith in a number, but in the 90%, the 95%,

[1:56:31] Trustee Critchley (probable): I think it's wonderful. And I congratulate you. Thank you so much for your hard work.

[1:56:37] Trustee Critchley (probable): I will say I was very heartened to see the emphasis on preserve and protect of the natural

[1:56:44] Trustee Critchley (probable): environment. That's where I come from. That's where I believe, and I will continue to believe,

[1:56:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): that this organization is all about and should have its primary focus on and I think most of

[1:56:56] Trustee Critchley (probable): our residents of our islands agree with that as well. The concept of carrying capacity is one that

[1:57:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): I don't know a lot about and I think it's unfortunate that it's kind of

[1:57:09] Trustee Critchley (probable): popped up in here without much prior discussion. The fact that I'm so ignorant about it makes it

[1:57:18] Trustee Critchley (probable): very difficult to speak intelligently about it but i will say that from my limited understanding of

[1:57:26] Trustee Critchley (probable): it i've always been concerned that carrying capacity should be a touchstone for the way in

[1:57:32] Trustee Critchley (probable): which we seek to preserve and protect this island these islands because it seems to me that with

[1:57:38] Trustee Critchley (probable): technology uh we we have the the means to put thousands of people in these islands to make

[1:57:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): places, you know, we can, well, I see wording in there that would prohibit desalination plants,

[1:57:55] Trustee Critchley (probable): which is, that's fine by me. It's that sort of technology that could make it

[1:58:03] Trustee Critchley (probable): so that our populations would well exceed what we would think would be comfortable.

[1:58:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): But I think carrying capacity, I'd like to hear more about it, about the concept. And

[1:58:13] Trustee Critchley (probable): I do think that if it's going to be in the document, we have to have an understanding of what it means, whether it's a precise definition or whether it's something in the kind of more interpretive contextual framing that's been done in other phrases.

[1:58:30] Trustee Critchley (probable): phrases. I'm open to that as well. But as I understand it, I'm not thinking that it's the

[1:58:39] Trustee Critchley (probable): right thing for us to be focusing on, because I think before we get to carrying capacity,

[1:58:46] Trustee Critchley (probable): there is some other limit that is more to do with aesthetics and what is right about preserving

[1:58:53] Trustee Critchley (probable): nature. And it's not just preserving a representative sample of a few endangered

[1:58:58] Trustee Critchley (probable): endangered species so that they can continue to live on Earth. But there's something about

[1:59:05] Trustee Critchley (probable): aesthetic values in all of this, and I don't know quite how to grapple with it, but I think it's

[1:59:12] Trustee Critchley (probable): something that we need to turn our attention to and delve into more deeply. The other comment I

[1:59:17] Trustee Critchley (probable): have is with regard to water, and it kind of hinges on the same thing, which is I don't see anything

[1:59:26] Trustee Critchley (probable): in the document which it mentions fresh water and that might be contrasted with groundwater

[1:59:34] Trustee Critchley (probable): which is also mentioned but it doesn't expressly say that fresh water includes

[1:59:41] Trustee Critchley (probable): water from the sky and you know we've sort of had some discussions at trust council about that we

[1:59:48] Trustee Critchley (probable): know that the ministry of health has changed their regulations to allow captured rainwater

[1:59:54] Trustee Critchley (probable): water as potable water for development and that concerns me that it does

[2:00:00] Trustee Critchley (probable): open up the scope of potential development on these islands.

[2:00:04] Trustee Critchley (probable): So I think we need to get clarification on that,

[2:00:07] Trustee Critchley (probable): whether we want to see harvested rainwater

[2:00:11] Trustee Critchley (probable): as within the definition of freshwater

[2:00:14] Trustee Critchley (probable): and what are the implications of that

[2:00:16] Trustee Critchley (probable): for the purposes of our trust policy statement.

[2:00:19] Trustee Critchley (probable): So those are a couple of big topics.

[2:00:21] Trustee Critchley (probable): Now, how we proceed from here,

[2:00:23] Trustee Critchley (probable): I'm a bit concerned that with the amount

[2:00:26] Trustee Critchley (probable): that we've got to wrap our arms around,

[2:00:28] Trustee Critchley (probable): that we're not going to be able to do it in one more meeting on May the 14th.

[2:00:33] Trustee Critchley (probable): And when I heard the plan of how it's expected to proceed,

[2:00:40] Trustee Critchley (probable): a second draft would be produced, and yet it would go to the executive committee,

[2:00:45] Trustee Critchley (probable): but it wouldn't come back to this committee, which I think is unfortunate.

[2:00:49] Trustee Critchley (probable): I kind of think that it should come back to us before it goes onward to Trust Council.

[2:00:55] Trustee Critchley (probable): that's i'll leave it at that for now thank you thank

[2:01:00] Voice 15: you trustee christian trustee langrose

[2:01:02] Voice 15: oh

[2:01:05] Voice 2: yeah yeah thank you yeah i i have to congratulate staff on what they've done i

[2:01:09] Voice 2: i'm very pleased with the document as as is presented i don't have the same concerns about

[2:01:16] Voice 2: the issue around carrying capacity you know the terminology i mean for me carrying capacity is

[2:01:22] Voice 2: This really comes down to how many people could live in an area in such a way that there's no degradation of the environment, the ecosystem that they are a part of, and in fact, that we don't overwhelm the environment.

[2:01:39] Voice 2: it's not a matter because we can use technology to increase our population massively you know you

[2:01:45] Voice 2: can do that i mean i remember one mention was we talked about caring capacity and one trust meeting

[2:01:52] Voice 2: quite a while ago and it was pointed out to me well um one of the islands in the mediterranean

[2:01:59] Voice 2: had like 1100 people per square uh per acre or something like that sure you can do that with

[2:02:07] Voice 2: technology we can bring water in from the islands uh we can we can overwhelm the uh the environment

[2:02:13] Voice 2: through technology and so it's our carrying capacity not the environment's carrying capacity

[2:02:19] Voice 2: it really comes down in my mind to how many of us how much impact can the environment take the

[2:02:25] Voice 2: ecosystem take before it gets totally degraded and which in turn in the long term will impact

[2:02:31] Voice 2: impact us negatively as well.

[2:02:33] Voice 2: So I don't have that same concern about that,

[2:02:36] Voice 2: about the carrying capacity.

[2:02:39] Voice 2: Defining it as much like the issue around the definition

[2:02:42] Voice 2: of affordable housing,

[2:02:45] Voice 2: are we going to put a definition in affordable

[2:02:48] Voice 2: in the trust policy statement,

[2:02:50] Voice 2: which then becomes mandated for local trusts to follow.

[2:02:56] Voice 2: One definition, which applies to everybody, to every Island.

[2:02:59] Voice 2: I don't think that's workable. I don't think it's possible. Either that or the Island Trust Policy Statement becomes the OCP for every island, and that's what we seem to be potentially working towards, and I don't agree with that.

[2:03:19] Voice 2: I think there's got to be some local control over what they see as affordable. I think that can be worked out.

[2:03:27] Voice 2: we're an environmental agency or environmental protection agency ultimately and that's what

[2:03:33] Voice 2: our focus should be on and yes i have no problem with the strategic plan defining affordable

[2:03:41] Voice 2: housing you know that's a tool much like the coastal douglas fir toolkit you know we're

[2:03:47] Voice 2: developing a development permit our model bylaw for coastal douglas fir great that's a tool islands

[2:03:55] Voice 2: islands can use ultimately what we're looking at is what are the impacts of what we are doing

[2:04:00] Voice 2: to us and so i'm i'm not i'm happy with the uh i have some minor technical points to

[2:04:08] Voice 2: on the the draft itself but overall no i'm in support of it thank

[2:04:17] Voice 16: you um

[2:04:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): are there any other

[2:04:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): committee members before i go to um trustee patrick who might want to weigh in on anything

[2:04:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): can

[2:04:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): i can i just ask a point of order uh chair morrison yeah like i love hearing what my fellow

[2:04:36] Trustee McConchie (probable): trustees and colleagues think about stuff i'm wondering like are we going to put motions on

[2:04:41] Trustee McConchie (probable): the table like what is the point of our time right now because right now it's like theme and

[2:04:45] Trustee McConchie (probable): variations on people's ideas on what the policy statement should should or not say like are we

[2:04:51] Trustee McConchie (probable): are we gonna you know make some decisions today what what is our expectation for our time with

[2:04:56] Trustee McConchie (probable): the remaining hour we have yeah all

[2:04:59] Trustee McConchie (probable): right no

[2:05:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i i asked that too um so if there are things that

[2:05:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): are contentious then we may need some like more motion guided direction um but claire if you want

[2:05:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): to like frame any sort of guidance you have for us on like how to best provide feedback back because

[2:05:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): i've heard one or two things i'm keeping track of them that i think are things that may be

[2:05:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): divisive among us?

[2:05:28] Voice 11: Yes so we again leaving it open to how this was going to go today

[2:05:32] Voice 11: it's our preference that the majority of input be provided in writing such that we can

[2:05:38] Voice 11: you know thoughtfully consider it and include it in redrafting as we incorporate all the comments

[2:05:45] Voice 11: there might have been or there may be strong themes that emerge that you wish us to contemplate

[2:05:49] Voice 11: as we do this work. One of the things to keep in mind of course is reconciliation and we would

[2:05:54] Voice 11: will want to hear, I think, from our senior intergovernmental policy advisor before any

[2:05:58] Voice 11: big directions are taken that might move counter to some of the work that's been done. So just

[2:06:03] Voice 11: offer that caution as we move forward. We want to look for that advice. But yes, certainly we're

[2:06:08] Voice 11: open today. We prefer to receive comments in writing and come together again at your next

[2:06:12] Voice 11: meeting. But if there's a really strong will that emerges, we're happy to hear that today as well.

[2:06:17] Voice 11: And I see the CAO's hand up.

[2:06:18] Voice 16: Yeah, I see that. Go ahead, Russ.

[2:06:25] Voice 24: Thank you. I think the timing has it that the Trust Programs Committee sees this document again

[2:06:32] Voice 24: before. So I think there was a comment earlier that this is the last time and we have to sort

[2:06:36] Voice 24: of get everything in. You know, from my conversations with my colleagues and some

[2:06:41] Voice 24: trustees, I think this is very valuable to get feedback and ideas such that we hear what's

[2:06:50] Voice 24: gone well and what some areas of further emphasis i don't think and claire you can nod or shake your

[2:06:56] Voice 24: head i don't think coming out of this discussion everything you say you have to vote on such that

[2:07:03] Voice 24: then that becomes a direct outcome inside the the policy statement certainly that's a mechanism for

[2:07:09] Voice 24: it but you wouldn't be able to capture all of the conversation that's going here uh this process

[2:07:14] Voice 24: Success needs this conversation to hear, you know, because we finally got something in front of us. And the writers need to hear where they've hit the mark and where they haven't and to reflect on those things and to go balance them out. So certainly, you could have some, the fact that you haven't got a lot of emotions on the table does not mean business isn't getting done here.

[2:07:35] Voice 24: we're certainly hearing that feedback and you know I think that it's going to EC, EC doesn't have a definitive process as well I think that's still being iterative and trust program committee is going to see that the final copy quote unquote the final draft correct me if I'm wrong Claire before it goes to June trust council so it sounds like some of the comments indicate there's a bit more work and refinement here and I think that's what's being heard and noted.

[2:08:04] Voice 24: Thanks.

[2:08:07] Voice 15: Ben, did you have a follow up?

[2:08:09] Voice 15: Yeah.

[2:08:09] Trustee McConchie (probable): Yeah, okay, so why don't we just make,

[2:08:11] Trustee McConchie (probable): I guess I'm asking about process.

[2:08:13] Trustee McConchie (probable): Like, why don't we just make it

[2:08:14] Trustee McConchie (probable): so trustees write their comments in before the meeting

[2:08:16] Trustee McConchie (probable): and then really our time is spent debating substantive

[2:08:20] Trustee McConchie (probable): issues that we have, you know?

[2:08:23] Trustee McConchie (probable): Like I'm more interested in like, yeah, Scott's

[2:08:26] Trustee McConchie (probable): or Dan's talk, sorry, Trustee Rogers, pardon me,

[2:08:29] Trustee McConchie (probable): is talking about this definition thing

[2:08:31] Trustee McConchie (probable): with affordable housing.

[2:08:32] Trustee McConchie (probable): That's a really good point.

[2:08:33] Trustee McConchie (probable): I wanna debate that, you know, you know what I mean?

[2:08:36] Trustee McConchie (probable): But

[2:08:36] Voice 17: right now,

[2:08:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's kind of, we're kind of just kind of talking.

[2:08:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): And I appreciate the fact that we have great ideas.

[2:08:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): And sometimes when these types of conversations happen, it can be very fruitful.

[2:08:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): I just want to be cognizant of the fact that we're, you know, our time and how we're spending

[2:08:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): it and whether or not we're making clear policy decisions directed towards our achievable

[2:08:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): goal, if that makes sense.

[2:08:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah.

[2:09:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): And I would say that from my perspective, we need this time when, first of all, it is

[2:09:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): the like first draft in front of us everybody's had like a lot of reading to just think about that

[2:09:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): and we didn't have the timeline to be able to get that draft in front of people and then have people

[2:09:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): in writing and then like also sort of have these comments so doing it in this two-stage move where

[2:09:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): we're having this initial conversation and then we have time now between now and the end of the week

[2:09:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): to do draft comments and I really encourage trustees to do that like take the time and go

[2:09:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): through and like put your comments in point form writing send it in so that that's like really

[2:09:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): clear guidance for the next round of draft it will then influence and many of the comments we're

[2:09:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): taking today they'll be included too um but it's really going to be helpful to have solid concrete

[2:09:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): suggestions and not just like don't do this but like instead try this like those type of comments

[2:09:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): are going to be very helpful so yeah no thanks thanks man it's helpful to just understand why

[2:10:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): why we're doing this um and i'm going to go to laura because i said i was going to go to laura

[2:10:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then i'll come back and then we'll move around okay go ahead well

[2:10:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): for the for the for

[2:10:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): the benefit of trustee mcconkie i'm answering the question that was posed by staff did this

[2:10:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): um i want to i'm going to say no on the particular on the issue of affordable housing

[2:10:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): Right at section 1.3 in the present context, it refers to the affordable housing as being, as also throughout the province. So it kind of waters it down. Climate change is being experienced throughout the province. First Nations and reconciliation is being experienced throughout the province.

[2:10:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think this is about owning the issue as it's showing up in our islands, and that, you know, we need to own it, it does show up. It's also affordable housing, it's how and what we've done that's contributed to the inequities that's showing up as affordable housing.

[2:11:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we have to, again, own that responsibility.

[2:11:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Section 1.4, I agree that it's absolutely critical that communities needs to be mentioned here.

[2:11:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): People who live here care deeply about the environment and the issues and reconciliation and all of that.

[2:11:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): And we need to bring them into that.

[2:11:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): They need to be able to see themselves and be part of that. They chose to live here in these

[2:11:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): communities. They chose to be close to nature, with nature, and they will, you know, be here as

[2:11:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): the army to protect it is how I look at it. I'll just say again on carrying capacity is,

[2:11:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): to me, it doesn't belong here at all. Are we counting how many mansions we're going to put

[2:11:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): on the island or how many compact houses so it makes it very difficult and how how we're using

[2:12:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): it when i was hearing case speaking earlier i'm hearing him really set out metrics what is it

[2:12:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's important you know we have to be able to define what it is that's important that we want

[2:12:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): to protect and and how we're going to do that rather than argue of how many people that's all

[2:12:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): all. Thank you. Sue Ellen

[2:12:28] Trustee Fast (probable): passed. I think Peter had his hand up before me, but I'm just going to

[2:12:37] Trustee Fast (probable): say hello from executive committee. I'm here more to hear the presentation and to listen to the work

[2:12:41] Trustee Fast (probable): of this committee. But I will chip in a few things. I'm in general really pleased with this

[2:12:52] Trustee Fast (probable): first draft and of course there's going to be changes and so a couple of the things I

[2:12:59] Trustee Fast (probable): think I think I like having the definitions in the text I'm somebody who now uses the find function

[2:13:07] Trustee Fast (probable): and and just looks for it so I think it's fine to be in the text and that's

[2:13:11] Trustee Fast (probable): the way people are are are finding definitions is they type it into the search box

[2:13:17] Trustee Fast (probable): um but anyway that's just i think a change in the way people use media um i agree about the

[2:13:26] Trustee Fast (probable): uh that some people have mentioned this bit about um equitable this is from one of the slides in

[2:13:33] Trustee Fast (probable): early in your just a screenshot i took equitable acknowledging resilience dependent on healthy

[2:13:38] Trustee Fast (probable): inclusive diverse communities um this is a little hard to find in the text just from doing my quick

[2:13:44] Trustee Fast (probable): search. And maybe it belongs in the affordable housing section, or maybe it's in this 1.4

[2:13:52] Trustee Fast (probable): that Laura was talking about. But I thought I'd just mention that municipality of Bowen Island

[2:13:57] Trustee Fast (probable): is also looking at an equitable, inclusive, and diversity policy now. So that's a draft that's

[2:14:06] Trustee Fast (probable): in front of council, I think, in the next agenda, municipal council. So I think it's a really good

[2:14:14] Trustee Fast (probable): good topic I think it fits in with the whole uh climate thing and now I've lost oh there we go

[2:14:19] Trustee Fast (probable): and the other thing I wanted to say is um I was uh I did stumble over the word carrying capacity

[2:14:24] Trustee Fast (probable): and the reason for that is because I began my well I I took wildlife biology courses where

[2:14:31] Trustee Fast (probable): carrying capacity referred to how many deer could you have on the landscape so that you could shoot

[2:14:37] Trustee Fast (probable): them it it was a it was a livestock kind of raising term so it it it may mean different

[2:14:45] Trustee Fast (probable): things to different people and um uh and i just uh wildlife management term i guess and um uh i

[2:14:55] Trustee Fast (probable): would just use caution with that and i think there might be some other uh better um terms out there

[2:15:02] Trustee Fast (probable): to do with sustainability or some of these newer ideas about that include the interconnectedness

[2:15:11] Trustee Fast (probable): of everything and how all these crises are intersecting and uh i'm glad to see uh no more

[2:15:18] Trustee Fast (probable): business as usual that that's good i'm glad it's bold and um that's all i got to say for now except

[2:15:23] Trustee Fast (probable): mostly i'm i'm listening and uh over to you committee or over to you chair thank you

[2:15:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): um

[2:15:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): Peter,

[2:15:34] Voice 7: sorry,

[2:15:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm going to first, it's getting too late at night. I'm going to first names. I just

[2:15:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): can't manage all the last names of everybody.

[2:15:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's all right. We could relax a little bit.

[2:15:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much, Chair. And actually, I want to thank Ben for the question.

[2:15:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then I want to thank the CAO and Deb yourself and others that have provided some of the context

[2:16:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the answer to that question because indeed that's what ideally we do in these meetings

[2:16:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so what i i'm not going to address any of the points but just share that um if there's

[2:16:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): something missing in this let staff know if there's something that shouldn't be here then

[2:16:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): also let staff know um but that said i gotta tell we don't need to make this perfect this time

[2:16:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): and in the long run we'll make it better for sure but i gotta say that if this document

[2:16:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): went forward as a policy statement tomorrow it would have moved the dial in the right direction

[2:16:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): on many issues and let's not lose that in in in this work so let's figure out how to make it

[2:16:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): better not perfect but better and you know in the old in the mediation world what can we live with

[2:16:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): to advance this to get that dial moved from where it is to 2021 and I think that I appreciate

[2:17:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): everything that's been done here and indeed the language and the wording and

[2:17:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): the character of it is beautiful but certainly there's lots of room for

[2:17:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): refinement and that's what why it's now in front of us is the political will to

[2:17:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): refine it in a way that speaks this council's message about what's important

[2:17:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the policy statement thank you thank

[2:17:28] Voice 16: you thank you

[2:17:36] Voice 21: and I just want to say

[2:17:37] Voice 21: it's um it's great to uh hear every everybody's uh points and and in this conversation i think

[2:17:44] Voice 21: it's really useful um it's it's quite also interesting that um sort of there's some

[2:17:51] Voice 21: similar sticking points for for a number of different people here and and uh and and that's

[2:17:57] Voice 21: great and i i certainly haven't heard any anybody um uh you know having like a laundry list uh of

[2:18:07] Voice 21: of issues at this point, but maybe that will come out.

[2:18:12] Voice 21: Again, I wanna thank staff for the incredible amount

[2:18:14] Voice 21: of work that's gone into what's a fairly huge project.

[2:18:19] Voice 21: And as this committee knows,

[2:18:25] Voice 21: I'll be bringing an RFD up to the committee later

[2:18:29] Voice 21: at hopefully our next meeting

[2:18:31] Voice 21: to talk about how we do this kind of work

[2:18:36] Voice 21: on a more regular basis

[2:18:37] Voice 21: so that in fact it's not so monumental all at once and as uh as chair lapham said you know

[2:18:46] Voice 21: this isn't the whatever we come out of this process with the draft isn't the final story

[2:18:54] Voice 21: um in fact trust council hasn't been keeping up with um what we're supposed to be doing in terms

[2:19:01] Voice 21: of regular amendments or a regular review for potential amendments and and i think this is a

[2:19:07] Voice 21: good example of so much there's so much work and there's so much going on here this is a good

[2:19:13] Voice 21: example of how um if we commit to a more regular approach of review and we're taking smaller bites

[2:19:24] Voice 21: on a regular basis how much easier um this work will be in the future so sort of putting a plug

[2:19:33] Voice 21: for that concept while I'm while I've got the floor um but uh and just for uh clarity I think

[2:19:43] Voice 21: um there was a request to have written comments to staff by was it the 7th and

[2:19:59] Voice 10: I'll just clarify yeah by May 6th because we're putting out the agenda package on May 7th so

[2:20:04] Voice 10: So by the sixth would be appreciated.

[2:20:08] Voice 21: Okay, perfect.

[2:20:09] Voice 21: I'm glad I asked the question.

[2:20:11] Voice 21: So by the sixth and I think that's going to be

[2:20:15] Voice 21: a really useful sort of to Ben's point

[2:20:18] Voice 21: as far as utilizing our time well,

[2:20:21] Voice 21: I think that the more we can all participate

[2:20:24] Voice 21: in getting those written comments in by the sixth

[2:20:27] Voice 21: is going to really help us at our next meeting.

[2:20:30] Voice 21: Thanks.

[2:20:31] Voice 21: All right.

[2:20:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I see you trustee Colburn,

[2:20:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): but I just want to check, is there anybody who has not yet talked who would like to weigh in

[2:20:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): about anything? Is there anybody who's not yet talked at all? Me, I haven't talked. I'm going

[2:20:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): to put myself on the list here. Anybody else? Okay. If that's okay, Trustee Colbert, I'll just

[2:20:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): weigh in and then go to you. So thank you all. Really helpful to hear what people are thinking

[2:21:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): about this. So in terms of a couple of things, as you all know, I'm not a fan and did not vote for

[2:21:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): the motions related to inclusive communities, not because I don't think they're important.

[2:21:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): Obviously, I do. I would not be doing this job if I didn't think they're important,

[2:21:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): but because I just didn't know that they belonged in the policy statement. Regardless of my opinion,

[2:21:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): they are a past motion of council and they should be in the trust statement so we have two motions

[2:21:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): as per um trustee rogers comments one that says um that we affirm the understanding that the object

[2:21:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): of the trust contained in section three of the diamonds trust act include the concept of protection

[2:21:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): and healthy inclusive communities including but not limited to housing and transportation

[2:21:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): interpretation. So it does feel like the way that that I had looked it up, because I was curious

[2:22:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): where it landed, like several people here have commented that they think it should be in that

[2:22:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): section around the object itself. And it does reference the object, the firm, its understanding

[2:22:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): of the object. So I do think that that language is going to have to be included into the that area.

[2:22:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm not super excited about that. But it's the resolution of council. I am super excited about

[2:22:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): the idea of reaffirming inclusivity and equity across all of the policies as much as we can

[2:22:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): um and weaving those into policies and i think uh trustee colburn who mentioned that just that

[2:22:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): he'd done a search on inclusive communities and a little bit concerning so like trying oops did i

[2:22:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): lose my internet connection are you okay can you hear me okay talk a little bit

[2:22:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): i'll move a little

[2:22:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): little closer. I got an unstable connection there for a second, which means my teenagers just turned

[2:23:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): on the Wi-Fi. Okay. So in terms of inclusive communities and equitable, I do think that

[2:23:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): that potentially just needs to, a whole lens needs to be taken through that and see where that can be

[2:23:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): enriched as you pass through the different policies. Is there places where we can like name

[2:23:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): that more explicitly? And I think there are potentially some policies where we could do that.

[2:23:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): so I'll have a look through and see if I can find some of those and like name them as feedback

[2:23:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): um and then the um Dan's feedback will cover the amenities thing that they got removed if that

[2:23:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): does seem to be important um I really like the point about collaboration the collaborative

[2:23:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): collaborative issue because I gotta tell you I'm with Trusty McConaghy like North Pender is all

[2:23:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): about collaboration right now or the lack of it so we really need to make sure that like it's not

[2:23:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): just advocacy straight up but like collaborative relationships with government like that language

[2:24:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): um would be super helpful um and then on the capacity or sorry caring capacity

[2:24:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): i like doug's idea of actually really leveraging the language of the sustainable development goals

[2:24:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): and sustainability as language, because there's a whole wealth of documentation that actually

[2:24:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): names what that is in the world, like, and it makes it much more concrete. So I think that

[2:24:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): that might be really, and adding definitions where we see that they're not as explicit would

[2:24:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): be helpful, but I do like them in the text. I think that's actually really readable. And we

[2:24:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): want this policy statement to be something that's readable, not prohibitively difficult for our

[2:24:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): communities to engage with. And so I think that's the big pieces that I would name.

[2:24:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): And others have named other pieces of this. I do like how the housing policies got laid out.

[2:25:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): I think that was helpful. I can see where there might be some concerns about how affordable

[2:25:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): housing itself isn't necessarily explicitly defined. But given the challenges, maybe if

[2:25:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): somebody could offer a definition of that that might be helpful um all right so i'm going to go

[2:25:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): to trustee clover did you wish to speak yes

[2:25:23] Voice 28: thank you for that and thank you for those points i

[2:25:25] Voice 28: really do think we're all kind of saying the same thing and so many in so many cases we just

[2:25:31] Voice 28: um it's the how and the and the what actions are actually taken because um i i agree with the my

[2:25:39] Voice 28: My inclusive means the environment and the creatures and everything else as well.

[2:25:43] Voice 28: So I'm just kind of concerned that, you know, if we look at this document and it comes from a previous document,

[2:25:53] Voice 28: the Canadian Institute of Planners has a roadmap for equity, diversity and inclusion.

[2:26:00] Voice 28: And they've got sort of a five year plan and there's some education.

[2:26:04] Voice 28: I'm wondering if there are opportunities out there.

[2:26:06] Voice 28: And maybe this is a question for David Marler again. For some sort of oversight or review of this in terms of modern planning practices, I know the CAO in one of our early meetings said, if we have a goal for this organization, it would be to be thought of as an innovative thought leader with clear outcomes for environmental protection, for protection of First Nations cultural sites, and for healthy communities.

[2:26:31] Voice 28: So is there a way for someone to say, listen, you've been in this box, this is what you've come up with, and this is what other communities have done, this is what's happening on the global space, to make sure that what we're doing here is a little bit more future-proof.

[2:26:46] Voice 28: It's come from a process, it started with First Nations engagement, I think there's been an element of community engagement with this.

[2:26:51] Voice 28: It's so many layered legislations, and this is such a difficult concept to get across to residents who are just kind of grappling with what the Islands Trust is.

[2:26:59] Voice 28: is. But I would like some sort of professional oversight, especially in the context of what

[2:27:04] Voice 28: the Canadian Planning Institute, especially, has laid out as their roadmap for equity,

[2:27:08] Voice 28: diversity, and inclusion, because it's central to the health of the environment and the people

[2:27:16] Voice 28: who reside on these islands and the First Nations who have clear rights and title and interests

[2:27:22] Voice 28: in in these islands of the salish sea that's

[2:27:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): great thank you any further comments or thoughts

[2:27:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): at this moment any places where other people have picked up on potentially like areas we need to

[2:27:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): dig in a little bit more deeply and say hey this is an area we don't agree with

[2:27:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): i mean apart from things we've already voted on um trustee patrick

[2:27:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): agriculture

[2:27:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): agriculture um was one that stood out uh to to me i um i i know uh chair luckham will will will uh

[2:28:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): be able to back me up that salt spring agricultural community has really wanting their voice to be

[2:28:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): heard very loud they've done a an area farm plan just just recently and i mean their the goal was

[2:28:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know to produce healthy abundant food from island farms that support a diverse local

[2:28:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): economy are regenerative and resilient to climate change and i just think the language in here

[2:28:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): regarding agriculture is is a little too constrictive and and will um yeah so i just

[2:28:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): want to raise that as some an area that needs a bit of attention you

[2:28:48] Voice 15: do you remember the page

[2:28:49] Voice 15: number where the agriculture landed?

[2:28:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's, oops, I shouldn't, it's in one of those fours.

[2:29:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh

[2:29:02] Voice 16: here, I got it,

[2:29:03] Voice 15: I got it. It

[2:29:04] Voice 16: starts on page 32.

[2:29:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think we're, I mean it's important to

[2:29:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): emphasize but I think it's missed the part that it actually provides food to the communities too

[2:29:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that, you know, that's an important aspect.

[2:29:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, that's great. I would love to see that

[2:29:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): sort of idea of local food sustainability incorporated in there um trustee fenton is

[2:29:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): that a hand up yeah

[2:29:35] Trustee Fenton (probable): unmute there you go um with that thought in mind though this whole thing what

[2:29:41] Trustee Fenton (probable): i liked about this is that it speaks to the reality of agriculture they've got a garden

[2:29:48] Trustee Fenton (probable): anyway not i should say it's um farm anyway you want sort of policy because of the farm act

[2:29:54] Trustee Fenton (probable): and people are very fearful of saying no to farmers so they still burn

[2:30:00] Trustee Fenton (probable): they still have really bad practice right i mean that's just the way it is so salt spring may be

[2:30:05] Trustee Fenton (probable): heading in a new direction but in general farming farmers and farming are still struggling with

[2:30:12] Trustee Fenton (probable): catch-up and it's difficult to make money in the world of doing things properly so i think we need

[2:30:20] Trustee Fenton (probable): to protect ourselves we have to be making it very clear that agriculture if they're going to be we

[2:30:26] Trustee Fenton (probable): we have a regenerative product at the end of the day,

[2:30:29] Trustee Fenton (probable): they themselves need to not impact the environment around them.

[2:30:33] Trustee Fenton (probable): So it's a paradigm shift for everybody, I guess,

[2:30:36] Trustee Fenton (probable): is what we're getting at. And that's just like,

[2:30:38] Trustee Fenton (probable): not just the commercial people, but everybody who's gardening, we have,

[2:30:43] Trustee Fenton (probable): it's a significant shift in paradigms.

[2:30:46] Trustee Fenton (probable): And I want to make sure that our policies address those concerns,

[2:30:51] Trustee Fenton (probable): concerns making sure that those loopholes and and or behaviors have to change we have to provide

[2:30:57] Trustee Fenton (probable): ways to point them directions to get you know the

[2:31:01] Trustee Fenton (probable): tools to do it properly but at the end of the day

[2:31:03] Trustee Fenton (probable): making food for the community doesn't give them a license to pollute downstream activity

[2:31:10] Trustee Fenton (probable): all

[2:31:12] Voice 17: right

[2:31:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): other thoughts that people want to get on the table tonight because if not i am okay to

[2:31:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): give you back half an hour of your life anything else I think I took half an hour of your life

[2:31:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): some other time in another meeting so I think we can give it back all right okay so again I would

[2:31:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): encourage all trustees to write in um and um Delaney are we like okay let me see if I can

[2:31:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): ask the question the question is um will all trustees have an opportunity to weigh in on the

[2:31:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): trust programs on the um policy statement and this draft or only this committee um so for the

[2:32:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): written

[2:32:03] Voice 10: feedback it would be just the invitation would be just to this committee because it's it's

[2:32:06] Voice 10: informing your may 14th tpc meeting um we are presenting um the materials that we presented

[2:32:13] Voice 10: to you for this meeting we're presenting them to regional planning committee so that will catch

[2:32:18] Voice 10: another group of and and we'll be we'll invite their feedback in on may 12th um but so will they

[2:32:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): see this next no they won't see the next version

[2:32:27] Voice 10: no no they'll see the version that you've seen now

[2:32:30] Voice 10: so the timing's a bit tricky um

[2:32:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): can we see their feedback too to take it into account when we're

[2:32:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): doing any revisions yes okay

[2:32:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay that'd be helpful all right and anything else that and i

[2:32:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): know it's going to go to executive right in between now and then yeah

[2:32:48] Voice 10: so it's going to

[2:32:48] Voice 10: executive in its current form um it's already gone for their meeting on wednesday um and then it

[2:32:55] Voice 10: looks like dan has something to say but then um i think one suggestion would be if um if it seems

[2:33:01] Voice 10: appropriate perhaps tbc could be invited to the may 26th ec meeting if the goal is still to get

[2:33:09] Voice 10: this to first reading in June, that would be the moment that we're bringing the next draft,

[2:33:15] Voice 10: the draft for first reading. So I don't know if that's appropriate because by May 4th,

[2:33:20] Voice 10: we're sending out the agenda package on May 7th for your May 14th meeting. So we won't have

[2:33:26] Voice 10: redrafted it by then. And so in order for you to see and approve the version that goes to first

[2:33:32] Voice 10: reading, you would need to be in that May 26th meeting, but it seems like others have something

[2:33:37] Voice 10: need to say okay

[2:33:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): and before we actually take up a bunch of other comments i just need to be super

[2:33:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): clear so we won't see a redrafted version by on the the may 14th meeting no

[2:33:49] Voice 10: because you will be

[2:33:51] Voice 10: collecting so we're collecting your feedback from the may 14th meeting as well as our pc's feedback

[2:33:57] Voice 10: and ec's feedback and then we need to redraft and so in realistically speaking like because we have

[2:34:05] Voice 10: have to read for executive committee we have to redraft it by the 18th yeah it's not a critique

[2:34:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): just a question so yeah so i guess my question then and maybe this is a question for claire is

[2:34:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): what is the point of our may 14th meeting i'm kind of channeling down here for a second

[2:34:22] Voice 11: so our intention there is that we will have received written feedback you all would have

[2:34:27] Voice 11: had more time to to digest this consider what you've heard today and give provide some written

[2:34:32] Voice 11: and feedback with some really concrete suggestions for the changes you might like that we could then

[2:34:36] Voice 11: really um sense the will of the committee once you've had more time to think about it

[2:34:40] Voice 11: um so that's really our intention there and that's where we would be looking for any motions

[2:34:44] Voice 11: um really from the committee around concrete changes that you might wish to request

[2:34:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): and so we'll be all able to see each other's feedback that's

[2:34:53] Voice 11: right um of course you other

[2:34:54] Voice 11: you also have other other items on that agenda as well okay

[2:34:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): thank you um i saw trustee rogers

[2:35:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): and trustee brent pop their hands up trustee rogers i

[2:35:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't know about anybody else but i'm

[2:35:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): sort of feeling like this time frame that's being laid out is pretty ambitious and and and uh too

[2:35:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): compressed um and and i think that both for us and for staff i tend to agree with trustee critchley

[2:35:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): Can you turn off your video?

[2:35:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): Dan, can you

[2:35:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): turn your video on?

[2:35:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, sorry, am I breaking up?

[2:35:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): You're

[2:35:37] Voice 14: better now, go ahead.

[2:35:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): I did, am I breaking up?

[2:35:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Can you hear me now?

[2:35:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sorry about that.

[2:35:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): I tend to agree with Trustee Critchley that, you know,

[2:35:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): it would be a shame for the draft not to come back to this committee,

[2:35:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): and you could come to the EC.

[2:35:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm just wondering if anybody else is feeling that as well, that it's feeling a bit tight.

[2:36:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'm sort of thinking about one of the things I thought about, and I don't want to extend this conversation,

[2:36:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): is the EC on Wednesday, we're going to, for the first time, talk about the sort of the tentatives.

[2:36:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm leaning very heavily to making the point that this discussion around the trust policy statement should be separated from trust counsel.

[2:36:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): It should be a separate meeting because of the experience of March and how intensive those three days were.

[2:36:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I wondered how other people thought about that and whether or not there should be a separate one day just set aside for that and a slightly limiting of this.

[2:36:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): um i i sort of thought that i'm thinking right now so i don't know what other people think about

[2:36:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): that as well and particularly you you're

[2:37:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): you're really breaking up dan sorry

[2:37:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): did you catch any

[2:37:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): of that

[2:37:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): we got the gist of what you said i think but just so your last bit there got broken up

[2:37:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): again oh

[2:37:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): i said i'd be particularly interested in what you thought about that time frame and

[2:37:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): how you'd like to see it go.

[2:37:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sorry about that.

[2:37:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm going to move locations.

[2:37:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah.

[2:37:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): Trustee Brent, did you have something else to add

[2:37:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): before we weigh in on that?

[2:37:29] Voice 19: I do.

[2:37:30] Voice 19: I have the same concerns as Trustee Rogers.

[2:37:33] Voice 19: I think we're moving insanely quickly on this.

[2:37:38] Voice 19: You know, we have nine trustees

[2:37:39] Voice 19: outside the executive committee.

[2:37:41] Voice 19: I think this draft should be circulated

[2:37:44] Voice 19: to all trustees with the proviso

[2:37:48] Voice 19: though that yeah we're wading into some concerns regarding the draft you know june is not that far

[2:37:54] Voice 19: away this is a broad reaching document i don't understand um this insane push to get things done

[2:38:01] Voice 19: again you know from the second we're we're uh adopted into the trust we're told don't rush

[2:38:08] Voice 19: decisions yet we're rushing getting this to first readings like i've never seen and there's a broad

[2:38:16] Voice 19: broad change here has been noted by a lot of people. So I concur with Trustee Rogers. Thank

[2:38:23] Voice 19: you.

[2:38:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): All right. So a couple of things on the timeline. There is slippage on the timeline

[2:38:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): that we were pretty clear about all the way along. And I thank staff for sort of adjusting

[2:38:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): timelines as we've moved through the spring. And this project has been two years in the making.

[2:38:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i just want to acknowledge that too um we're at this point now where we have text on paper

[2:38:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): this text is draft first draft text i am completely not okay to circulate this broadly and get all the

[2:38:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): trustees involved in it without actually doing some edits where we are because we've been tasked

[2:39:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): with that as a committee and getting our sort of like ducks in a row internally on it before we

[2:39:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): send it out to a broader group. I do think that it's not a bad idea to extend the timeline a

[2:39:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): little bit if we can. I don't want it to go too far into like later in the summer because we also

[2:39:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): have a public engagement phase and there is an important aspect to doing some of that work during

[2:39:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): the summer. We're in the weird environment but there's just more people in the islands too to

[2:39:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): to be able to get feedback and reflection.

[2:39:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I think it's important

[2:39:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): to hit the public consultation point.

[2:39:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): At some point, even if this is a first reading

[2:39:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): and it's not perfect,

[2:39:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): we get that public consultation back

[2:39:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then we have a whole bunch of other opportunity

[2:39:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): to edit and revise in the fall.

[2:39:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): So there are sort of markers.

[2:39:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): So to Dan's point, I actually think,

[2:40:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): I do think we're moving a little fast right this minute

[2:40:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): because like I want to see the revised draft before it goes off to council right like I think

[2:40:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): many of us probably do want to see that right and so like if that timeline means another month

[2:40:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): of time the way that packages are which is roughly about what it is I think and I see Delaney nodding

[2:40:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): so like so then maybe we push this for a one-day special meeting related to the trust policy for

[2:40:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): the council it's not on our timeline so i think that has to be a trust council motion if i'm

[2:40:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): correct so um that's that's what i'm going to say tim and then i'm going to go back to um

[2:40:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): dan okay you're

[2:40:47] Voice 16: muted thanks

[2:40:51] Voice 21: sarah i just want to um agree with what you said there i i i think that

[2:40:54] Voice 21: it's important not to radically change our timeline um but i also think it's i do agree

[2:41:02] Voice 21: Mayor Mrakas, I agree that I think that as a as a committee member that I think it would be nice if we got to have a look at the draft that goes before us counsel and I realized there's a lot of logistical considerations.

[2:41:18] Voice 21: Mayor Mrakas, In terms of setting up a special meeting of trust counsel and, but I really like the idea that.

[2:41:30] Voice 21: that if we can make it work,

[2:41:32] Voice 21: I really like the idea that we could have

[2:41:36] Voice 21: specifically a good portion of a time set aside

[2:41:40] Voice 21: for trust council to really work through and discuss.

[2:41:45] Voice 21: And hopefully, I just feel like if we're,

[2:41:49] Voice 21: again, it's the rush issue.

[2:41:50] Voice 21: If we're giving trust council adequate space

[2:41:53] Voice 21: to look at this, I think our chances

[2:41:58] Voice 21: of getting towards the outcome we're all hoping for

[2:42:01] Voice 21: is perhaps improved.

[2:42:03] Voice 21: I think it really would help in terms of trustees

[2:42:08] Voice 21: being able to focus to have like a one issue

[2:42:14] Voice 21: trust council special meeting.

[2:42:15] Voice 21: So I know that the entire executive committee

[2:42:21] Voice 21: is here today at this meeting.

[2:42:25] Voice 21: So maybe they will be able to discuss this,

[2:42:32] Voice 21: that concept at their upcoming meeting.

[2:42:35] Voice 21: But if we can pull it off,

[2:42:37] Voice 21: I think that would be a really good way to go.

[2:42:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): Thanks.

[2:42:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): And I just realized this,

[2:42:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm sort of thinking this through.

[2:42:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): I'm like, maybe it's not even a special meeting

[2:42:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): and I don't know the logistics of it,

[2:42:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): but maybe it's a meeting that we just like adjourn

[2:42:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then take up again.

[2:42:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): I don't know.

[2:42:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): There's something in that too, possibly.

[2:42:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): Trustee Langrath.

[2:42:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah,

[2:42:57] Voice 2: I'm certainly in agreement with having a sort of a special session to talk about the bylaw, as opposed to trying to incorporate it into a trust council meeting. It's too jam-packed. We need to have the time, and it may be a half day. We may get together and not a lot of issues, and it's a short meeting, or it may be long.

[2:43:19] Voice 2: but at least we're not held with that time constraint

[2:43:22] Voice 2: because on the regular agenda, it's like, okay

[2:43:25] Voice 2: you've got an hour, two hours or whatever.

[2:43:27] Voice 2: So I'm in support of that idea.

[2:43:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): Right.

[2:43:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): Does executive need a motion from us related to that?

[2:43:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): Or is that something you can just hear

[2:43:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): and make your hands up as you go forward?

[2:43:43] Voice 16: Peter, you're muted.

[2:43:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think we

[2:43:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): can, that's a good question.

[2:43:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think we can take what we've heard under consideration

[2:43:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we'll take advice from staff

[2:43:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): and maybe defer to the CAO if he thinks there should be a motion from this committee to request

[2:44:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): that. No. Okay. Good.

[2:44:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah. I wouldn't even

[2:44:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): know how to draft

[2:44:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): that motion. Some kind of meeting

[2:44:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): sometime in the future. Yeah. So yeah.

[2:44:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah. Okay. Good conversation.

[2:44:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): Trustee McConkie. I'm

[2:44:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): going to get your last name right one time then.

[2:44:17] Trustee McConchie (probable): Chair Morrison. Thank

[2:44:19] Trustee McConchie (probable): you. Okay. So the question

[2:44:21] Trustee McConchie (probable): it's like so if we voted to adopt the policy right now as is how would that vote go probably

[2:44:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): not well we would probably not be able to pass this the way it is okay great so then therefore

[2:44:33] Trustee McConchie (probable): what are our disagreement points i need to or sorry we need to know that what are the specific

[2:44:38] Trustee McConchie (probable): disagreement points then at the next meeting we can hash it out so then we can vote for the next

[2:44:44] Trustee McConchie (probable): bylaw or whatever the second reading right now it's not clear to me like we've spent a bunch of

[2:44:48] Trustee McConchie (probable): of time kind of riffing and it's been great stuff and i love everyone here and it's really

[2:44:53] Trustee McConchie (probable): interesting and super fascinating but i kind of know where most trustees stand on a lot of issues

[2:44:58] Trustee McConchie (probable): i want to get to the nuts and bolts on stuff i want to get right to it and that to me seems like

[2:45:03] Trustee McConchie (probable): a logical way of boat going in yeah

[2:45:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i'm hoping what i'm hoping from the written feedback is that

[2:45:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): people actually pinpoint like this clause i don't like it it should say this like that's what we

[2:45:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): need. So we can literally put that on the table at the next meeting and be like, no, yes, no,

[2:45:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): whatever, you know, like get down into the detail. Because I have heard a few things that I would

[2:45:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): name as, as disagreements that we need to be clear on and people should weigh in on. So things like,

[2:45:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): you know, how much do you want like inclusive communities woven into different pieces? Where

[2:45:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): do you want it? How, where do you want amenities stated versus just environment and cultural

[2:45:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): cultural heritage? Where do you want the definition of carrying capacity changed to

[2:45:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): sustainability or not? Or how do you want it defined? Where are things not defined that need

[2:45:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): to be? And in terms of affordable housing, I think there, I don't know if there's disagreement. I'm

[2:45:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): kind of actually with Darcy Colburn. I'm not sure there's actually radical disagreement on some of

[2:46:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): those things. I think it's now that we see the text in front of us, it's going to be more item

[2:46:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): by item disagreement. So I think people need to dig into the actual text and provide written

[2:46:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): comments. And then for everyone here on this committee, really spend time going through each

[2:46:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): other's comments and looking at them before the next meeting, because that's where we're going to

[2:46:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): find the differences. And then we're going to pin it down and say, we're going to talk about this

[2:46:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): issue first. And then this, I'm going to spend the time going through it all and basically making a

[2:46:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): a rank list like item one item two and let's like go through them okay so um i would really

[2:46:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): encourage people to get specific with their with their written comments and i think that will help

[2:46:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): a lot to ben's point okay is anybody catching anything like in this conversation that's like

[2:46:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): obviously a disagreement apart from things we voted on so i keep having to say that because

[2:47:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): i do disagree with a couple things but we voted on those already at council trustee brent

[2:47:10] Voice 19: No, just the pressure put upon us. I mean, we haven't seen this document for more than a few days. And so we've got like, what, three days to comment? Again, this is, I would have a lot of comments. I'm not, and I do a few other things, other than Islands Trustee. So I'm kind of strapped for time.

[2:47:36] Voice 17: time so

[2:47:37] Voice 19: i just think again uh reiterating what uh trustee rogers said we're putting a lot of

[2:47:45] Voice 19: pressure time pressure on this i'm representing my community i've already told you i'm going to

[2:47:50] Voice 19: go out beyond me to my community um it's just it's a big change and we are pushing the timeline on

[2:48:01] Voice 19: on this like crazy so it's it's just something i want acknowledged and i want my comments

[2:48:08] Voice 19: acknowledged in the minutes of this thanks and

[2:48:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): i think from the perspective of like yeah i agree

[2:48:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): that it's pretty tight to get comments back especially in a work week you know so um yeah

[2:48:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): can

[2:48:27] Trustee McConchie (probable): i just chair morrison great okay fine trustee brent cool like we need to move the

[2:48:33] Trustee McConchie (probable): the deadline I don't understand are we making a decision to move the deadline because I mean it

[2:48:37] Trustee McConchie (probable): sounds to me like I heard a bunch a couple comments carrying capacity is a point of discussion

[2:48:40] Trustee McConchie (probable): portable housing and the definition of affordable housing is a point of discussion we brought out

[2:48:46] Trustee McConchie (probable): government coordination and the importance of emphasizing that as a discussion point I'm not

[2:48:52] Trustee McConchie (probable): sure if I'm missing anything but those are three main points that I thought we could discuss pretty

[2:48:55] Trustee McConchie (probable): pretty straight ahead.

[2:48:57] Voice 19: Lack of community in the entire document.

[2:49:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah.

[2:49:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): The missing community relative to the Dan's motions

[2:49:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): at the last trust council meeting.

[2:49:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): Dan.

[2:49:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): Just, I don't want to upset everybody's schedule,

[2:49:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): but is it making any sense to talk about moving

[2:49:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): that May 14th meeting to a time when we've had more time

[2:49:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): to present stuff?

[2:49:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): You've got the RPC stuff.

[2:49:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and then we can and the executive committee i don't know well we're all here you're right so

[2:49:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's not really but i'm wondering about

[2:49:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): that yeah

[2:49:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): and that's what i'm wondering because i do think

[2:49:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): that giving another weekend even to um this committee to be able to give feedback is going

[2:49:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): to radically allow us to like breathe um around this i don't necessarily think i would give

[2:49:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): like the kind of community consultation time paul that you might be mentioning to me that is the

[2:50:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): a thing that I'm going to do after first reading. I want to go and like really talk to my community

[2:50:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): and think about it with something that's a little bit more resolved of our tensions. So, so I don't

[2:50:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): know that I, but I probably will talk to people in the next week about it here too. Just get some

[2:50:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): sort of read on people. So if we, and Delaney, I'm not sure this is not an awesome thing to do

[2:50:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): on the fly. So maybe we have to do this a little bit more reasoned and careful. But if we push the

[2:50:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): deadline for feedback to you until the 10th and move the 14th meeting, I don't know what the

[2:50:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): options are for moving the 14th meeting. I'm probably the worst person actually on that

[2:50:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): particular issue.

[2:50:46] Voice 10: So what I would say, the only reason for that deadline is to give, we usually

[2:50:50] Voice 10: try to send the agenda package a week ahead. I think we need to first decide when you'd like

[2:51:11] Voice 10: to postpone your meeting to and then we could decide the appropriate deadline for feedback

[2:51:17] Voice 10: knowing that it's a week ahead of time all

[2:51:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): right so i think that is too difficult to do on the fly

[2:51:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the middle

[2:51:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): of the meeting because i know calendars are fragile things in our community

[2:51:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): so but i do think that um it would be helpful for and i think we probably do need a motion for that

[2:51:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): for us to either um it kind of all depends on the executive committee's ability to pull apart the

[2:51:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): the date like so that this is not in the June agenda for trust council it's later on like in

[2:51:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): July so um can I get some guidance maybe Claire Russ Peter on like which direction we need to go

[2:52:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): right now um do we need a motion related to shifting our August sorry August our May 14th

[2:52:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): meeting to a later date as appropriate with a revised schedule or like is that motion is it

[2:52:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): kind of loose based on what's Peter go ahead.

[2:52:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): So ultimately I'll defer to Claire I think

[2:52:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): she's thought a lot about this whole timeline business but I think a motion to make it simple

[2:52:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): because you're not going to make this decision in the meeting here is just to make it simple

[2:52:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): a motion to ask staff to investigate options for delay of the next meeting to you know seven days

[2:52:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): or something a week or something like that and then that gives them the opportunity to see how

[2:52:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): that all those timelines evolve and indeed whether or not there's consideration executive committee

[2:52:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): will take that into consideration uh there's consideration of a special meeting and all of

[2:52:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): those sorts of things but some direction to get staff to look at options and then it can come

[2:53:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): back by rwm dot you make a decision and look at people's calendars and all that but i'll defer

[2:53:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): to claire if you don't mind chair yeah

[2:53:10] Voice 11: uh thank you chair morrison um what i will say is i think

[2:53:16] Voice 11: if we are considering a moving of dates which i understand we'll learn more about executive

[2:53:20] Voice 11: committee's will tomorrow um it may be prudent to keep your may 14th date for consideration of

[2:53:25] Voice 11: items that you might want to provide as a flow through to trust council and then schedule an

[2:53:29] Voice 11: additional meeting it may be if you choose to move the date it would be a shorter meeting on the 14th

[2:53:34] Voice 11: but you do have other items of business potentially you would want to keep in order to have the thing

[2:53:38] Voice 11: for flowing those items to executive through to council um so just make that note and then um yes

[2:53:44] Voice 11: i agree it's probably too complicated today in the absence of a decision from executive committee to

[2:53:48] Voice 11: get into scheduling discussions but we can be in touch if there's a choice to move dates we can be

[2:53:53] Voice 11: in touch with a you know a poll around availability and then be in touch via rwm if that's the way to

[2:54:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so you're suggesting that we don't do anything radical with the dates, leave that one on the calendar and potentially play with the agenda for that meeting based on what we what comes out of.

[2:54:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I do think that there is a valid concern because the major issue right now, May 6 deadline for feedback and how that plays out.

[2:54:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I would like to extend that May 6 deadline for people and like we cope with how that is going to roll out because I think it's hard for us to get that feedback back.

[2:54:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): Claire?

[2:54:30] Voice 11: so at the very least if you were open to if if nothing changed and we're trying to keep the

[2:54:34] Voice 11: timelines as they are now we could put out the agenda package on the Monday which would mean

[2:54:39] Voice 11: we could give you until the Sunday the 9th to provide feedback which provides a couple extra

[2:54:43] Voice 11: days and especially a weekend so if that was an interim measure pending a decision tomorrow

[2:54:48] Voice 11: that might yeah

[2:54:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): I would like that as an interim measure do you need a motion for that no that's

[2:54:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): just a deadline that you're

[2:54:54] Voice 11: so it shortens up your consideration you know of the next agenda

[2:54:57] Voice 11: but it would certainly give more time for commenting.

[2:55:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): And it may not be a problem if we end up

[2:55:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): adding a special meeting and taking that off

[2:55:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): the agenda later, so that's okay.

[2:55:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): So I think at a minimum, we should do that

[2:55:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): because I agree with Trustee Brent, it's tight on time.

[2:55:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): I read fast, I do that for a living,

[2:55:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): but still I'm busy this week.

[2:55:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): So it's hard to get reasoned feedback

[2:55:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): in this amount of time.

[2:55:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, I have not been ignoring you Trustee Peterson.

[2:55:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): Go ahead.

[2:55:27] Voice 21: Thank you, Chair.

[2:55:28] Voice 21: Yeah, I just had a quick look at the, the calendar for the rest of the month for, for the organization and it's pretty busy. So, um, I think that we should, as Claire suggested, I think we should definitely keep the 14th on our schedule right now because we may have real difficulties

[2:55:51] Voice 21: he's finding a rescheduled date uh before trust council in june yeah just my quick look at the

[2:55:58] Voice 21: calendar says that um and uh yeah that's it for now okay

[2:56:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): so if anybody has anything different

[2:56:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): than what's been said or then i would like you to weigh in trustee brent or is your hand still

[2:56:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): up or do you have something else to add okay

[2:56:21] Voice 16: trustee language yeah

[2:56:26] Voice 2: am i up okay yeah i don't

[2:56:28] Voice 2: The other option, of course, is for the 14th meeting is to just recess the meeting and try to get comments by the 9th or whatever.

[2:56:39] Voice 2: And if in the interim we can determine a date, great.

[2:56:42] Voice 2: But otherwise, if we can't, by the time the 14th comes around, just recess as opposed to canceling the meeting.

[2:56:48] Voice 2: And then we don't get into the issue about an agenda being sent out or whatever.

[2:56:53] Voice 2: It's just a continuation of the meeting.

[2:56:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah, that's a good idea.

[2:56:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah so keeping it on the agenda and then just extend okay so let's consider that as an option

[2:57:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): too claire what we can do around that all right i am going to try and finish us in four minutes

[2:57:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): can i do that any further comments that people want in this meeting all right i'm going to move

[2:57:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): on to no new business no correspondence eight trust program committee work program are there

[2:57:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): any comments on page 79 of the package i'm afraid

[2:57:35] Voice 16: oh go ahead

[2:57:36] Voice 11: i meant to be sharing the screen but

[2:57:38] Voice 11: my screen seems to have died so i'm not able to share any further okay trustee

[2:57:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): rogers just just

[2:57:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): to remind you another reason to have the 14th meeting we have that secretary funding decision

[2:57:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): to make on that day so and that's

[2:57:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): sort of that's pending

[2:57:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): out there yeah

[2:57:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): and trustee peterson i see

[2:58:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): that you put something in the chat okay so

[2:58:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah before you say it trustee peterson i'm going to

[2:58:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): move us to next meeting because i think this is discussion related to the next meeting go ahead

[2:58:19] Voice 21: okay i just put together a motion that i'll read um i move that tpc request staff to investigate

[2:58:27] Voice 21: potential dates for an additional tpc meeting prior to june trust council okay

[2:58:34] Voice 15: can i get a

[2:58:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): seconder on that?

[2:58:38] Voice 8: I'll second it.

[2:58:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay. Case, do you want to name anything else on that? Okay.

[2:58:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): So my understanding is this is just to get options on the table so that when we meet on the 14th,

[2:58:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): we can figure out if we do need additional times and we're ready to go. Okay. All those,

[2:59:00] Voice 15: can I get you, Tim, can I get you to lower your hand? All those in favor, please raise your digital

[2:59:11] Voice 15: hand okay lower hands please any opposed i'm

[2:59:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): taking that as a no michael okay all right and

[2:59:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): so that carries so we'll just have a couple dates in hand potentially claire if there's anything on

[2:59:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): the schedule that's possible um all right so our next meeting is then officially on may 14th at 9

[2:59:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): a.m um and it does it is scheduled until 2 p.m on the outside chance we do decide we want to keep

[2:59:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): going on work, please make sure your calendars are are open till 2. And that is a prize.

[3:00:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): all right so we are going to trustee rogers do you have one last thing are you going to adjourn

[3:00:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): you're joining us well

[3:00:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm saying goodbye okay

[3:00:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): motion to adjourn

[3:00:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): motion to adjourn okay

[3:00:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): all those in favor thanks

[3:00:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): very much chair morrison thank you

[3:00:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): thank you one minute

[3:00:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): bye bye

[3:00:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): robert

[3:00:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): can you stop the live recording

ADOPTED 
Trust Programs Committee  
Minutes of Special Meeting ADOPTED 
May 3, 2021 Page 1 of 4 
Trust Programs Committee 
Minutes of a Special Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
May 3, 2021 
Electronic Zoom Meeting 
 
Members Present: Deb Morrison, North Pender Island Local Trustee (Chair) 
Paul Brent, Saturna Island Local Trustee 
Scott Colbourne, Gabriola Island Local Trustee 
David Critchley, Denman Island Local Trustee 
Doug Fenton, Thetis Island Local Trustee 
Michael Kaile, Bowen Island Municipal Trustee 
Kees Langereis, Gabriola Island Local Trustee 
Benjamin McConchie, North Pender Island Local Trustee  
Timothy Peterson, Lasqueti Island Local Trustee 
Dan Rogers, Gambier Island Local Trustee (EC Representative) 
Peter Luckham, Islands Trust Council Chair (Ex Officio) 
 
Staff Present: Russ Hotsenpiller, CAO 
Clare Frater, Director, Trust Area Services 
    David Marlor, Director, Local Planning Services 
Dilani Hippola, Senior Policy Advisor 
Lisa Wilcox, Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor 
William Shulba, Senior Freshwater Specialist 
Robert Barlow, Legislative Services Clerk/Recorder 
 
Others Present: Laura Patrick, Salt Spring Island Local Trustee 
 Sue Ellen Fast, Bowen Island Municipal Trustee 
Nine members of the public 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
The meeting was called to order at 4:00 p.m.  Chair Morrison acknowledged that the meeting 
was being held in the traditional and treaty territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 
2.1 New Items and Re-Ordering of the Agenda 
 
None 
 
2.2 Approval of Agenda 
 
By general consent the agenda was approved. 
 
3. TOWN HALL AND DELEGATIONS 
 
3.1 Town Hall 

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Jacinthe Eastick, Michael Sketch and Maxine Leichter spoke individually to the 
Committee in regards to the Policy Statement Amendment Project. 
 
3.2 Delegations 
 
None 
 
4. ADOPTION OF MINUTES/COORDINATION 
 
4.1 Minutes of Meeting 
 
4.1.1 Trust Programs Committee minutes of April 8, 2021 
  
The Committee requested that the minutes note that the April 8
th
 meeting was 
originally scheduled to end at noon but that the meeting would continue 
provided that quorum was maintained and that some trustees had other 
commitments to honour based on that original scheduled end time and would 
have to leave the meeting prior to adjournment. 
 
By general consent the minutes were approved as amended. 
 
4.2 Resolutions Without Meeting 
 
None 
 
4.3 Follow Up Action List 
 
Director Frater provided an update in regards to the items that are in progress, noting 
that the Policy Statement Amendment Project and development of the new website 
have been the focus of work for staff and staff continue work with provincial staff in 
relation to Crown land agreements.  
 
5. TRUST COUNCIL BUSINESS 
 
5.1 Policy Statement Amendment Project - First Draft of New Policy Statement Bylaw - 
Briefing 
 
Senior Policy Advisor Hippola provided a presentation and the Committee requested 
that a digital copy of the presentation be made available to committee members.  It was 
noted that the material will be presented to other committees and feedback will be 
incorporated into future versions.   
 
Discussion included the need or feasibility to define a number of topics and concepts 
and where those definitions could be expressed in the bylaw. 

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The Committee recessed at 5:25 p.m. and reconvened at 5:33 p.m. 
 
Discussion continued in regards to whether the following topics and concepts were 
addressed appropriately:  
 coordination or collaboration with other agencies  
 inclusive communities 
 equity 
 diversity 
 amenities 
 development limits 
 freshwater and rainwater collection 
 preserve and protect the natural environment 
 cultural heritage sites 
 carrying capacity 
 affordable housing 
 sustainability 
 agriculture 
Discussion also included consideration of whether there is more time required for 
trustee review of the draft bylaw prior to first reading. Trustee Brent expressed his 
concern that the timelines for the review process are too compact, particularly as he 
wishes to consult with the Saturna Island community. 
It was requested that members provide comments, concerns or suggested edits to the 
first draft of the new Policy Statement Bylaw in writing to staff by May 9. 
 
6. NEW BUSINESS 
 
None 
 
7. CORRESPONDENCE 
 
None 
 
8. WORK PROGRAM 
 
8.1 Trust Programs Committee Work Program 
 
The Work Program was not reviewed. 
 
9. NEXT MEETING 
 
Friday, May 14, 2021, from 9:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. 
 

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TPC-2021-022 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that Trust Programs Committee request staff to investigate potential dates for 
an additional Committee meeting prior to June Trust Council. 
CARRIED 
 
10. ADJOURNMENT 
 
By general consent the meeting adjourned at 7:00 p.m. 
 
 
 
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Deb Morrison, Chair 
 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Robert Barlow, Legislative Services Clerk/Recorder