Denman Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, May 4, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Fast: this Denman Local Trust Committee and thanks everybody for joining us online this morning

[0:00:05] Trustee Fast: due to COVID we're meeting online of course we all know that now but this session is going to

[0:00:11] Trustee Fast: be recorded so just for the future if people are looking back a couple of years and I want

[0:00:18] Trustee Fast: to begin the meeting right off the bat by acknowledging that we are meeting we're

[0:00:22] Trustee Fast: fortunate to be meeting gathering online over the territories and across the locations in

[0:00:29] Trustee Fast: in the traditional territories of the Coast Salish people,

[0:00:32] Trustee Fast: particularly the Comox and the Qualicum for Denman Island.

[0:00:36] Trustee Fast: And I really respect their

[0:00:41] Trustee Fast: living in the past and in the present

[0:00:44] Trustee Fast: and on into the future on these lands and waters.

[0:00:49] Trustee Fast: So I'm Sue Ellen Fast, I mentioned that.

[0:00:52] Trustee Fast: I'm elected on Bowen Island

[0:00:54] Trustee Fast: and I'm chair of this local trust committee.

[0:00:56] Trustee Fast: and I'm joined today by Trustees David Critchley, I'll put you first for once, there he is waving,

[0:01:02] Trustee Fast: and Trustee Laura Bushekin, there she is waving on the screen, and together we make up, the three of

[0:01:09] Trustee Fast: us make up the Local Trust Committee. So when you've got comments or you want to have your say,

[0:01:17] Trustee Fast: you can or share your views as we're calling it now in the new website, please direct your comments

[0:01:23] Trustee Fast: to us we're the elected representatives and we're one part of the participatory democracy we've got

[0:01:29] Trustee Fast: here and so i'll just continue with my um uh beginning i'm reading from a little script as

[0:01:36] Trustee Fast: you can probably tell so this meeting is being conducted electronically and it's being recorded

[0:01:40] Trustee Fast: it's also being live streamed so this is new because we've got a new website for those who

[0:01:46] Trustee Fast: can't attend today and the recording will be available on the website if you click the watch

[0:01:51] Trustee Fast: button in the beauty details view details section of the of the website

[0:01:58] Trustee Fast: and that's the same button that you would use to watch the live stream and

[0:02:02] Trustee Fast: when we get to the town hall portion of this meeting because this is an

[0:02:06] Trustee Fast: interactive meeting and and you get to share your views that will be when you

[0:02:11] Trustee Fast: would raise your digital hand so if you pull your finger or your cursor down the

[0:02:15] Trustee Fast: screen you'll see the raised hand button that's what we'll be using today and um um if you're

[0:02:22] Trustee Fast: joining by phone you can press star nine to raise your hand star six to mute and uh you can always

[0:02:28] Trustee Fast: um phone the northern office or get a hold of wcottingham at islandstrust.bc.ca to help you

[0:02:37] Trustee Fast: with any technical uh difficulties so i'll introduce the staff who are here there's will

[0:02:41] Trustee Fast: Cottingham and we're in Will's home I think that's the background that we're seeing there

[0:02:47] Trustee Fast: thank you because of COVID staff are working from home and I really respect that and I think we need

[0:02:53] Trustee Fast: to make it a safe working environment so I invite everybody to be especially civil and kind because

[0:03:02] Trustee Fast: we're at this point a year or more into the COVID cycle and it's been very stressful for

[0:03:08] Trustee Fast: many of us. I'm speaking for myself here, not for anybody else. And I think that I'll go back to

[0:03:19] Trustee Fast: here. Will Cottingham is the Office Administrative Assistant. So because of COVID times, everybody

[0:03:25] Trustee Fast: said to jump in, use all this new technology. So that's kind of an extra work that she's taking on.

[0:03:30] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Will, for hosting our meeting today. And Vicky Bachman is our minute taker.

[0:03:35] Trustee Fast: Vicky's waving there.

[0:03:37] Trustee Fast: Vicky takes the professional minutes

[0:03:39] Trustee Fast: that are the record of the public business

[0:03:41] Trustee Fast: that we're conducting in this meeting.

[0:03:43] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Vicky.

[0:03:44] Trustee Fast: She'll be behind the scenes most of the time,

[0:03:46] Trustee Fast: but I may check in on her once in a while.

[0:03:48] Trustee Fast: And I'd like to make sure everybody knows

[0:03:50] Trustee Fast: that our island planner is Sonia Zupanets.

[0:03:53] Trustee Fast: Good morning, Sonia.

[0:03:54] Trustee Fast: And so Sonia is one of the team

[0:03:57] Trustee Fast: bringing the professional expertise,

[0:03:59] Trustee Fast: the planning expertise to the table.

[0:04:02] Trustee Fast: And then the third participant,

[0:04:04] Trustee Fast: besides the elected officials and the professional staff advice are the public and your input and

[0:04:11] Trustee Fast: sharing your views this is participatory democracy that we have in Canada let's celebrate it that's

[0:04:16] Trustee Fast: my speech for today okay and um so I think we're safe respectful workplace we talked about that

[0:04:23] Trustee Fast: let's be hard on the issues not and easy on each other and um this is an official forum for your

[0:04:29] Trustee Fast: your local trust committee to make business decisions about land use planning, or maybe

[0:04:34] Trustee Fast: I should call it land relationship planning matters, and to discuss relevant business to

[0:04:39] Trustee Fast: the Islands Trust. And so that's the end of my little notes there. Let me skip up to the top of

[0:04:48] Trustee Fast: the agenda here. And I'd like to call the meeting now to order. So I'm wondering, before we approve

[0:04:57] Trustee Fast: the agenda I think we might have some some things to add to the agenda

[0:05:05] Trustee Fast: trustees would you like to where would we like to put I know one of the things

[0:05:10] Trustee Fast: is the letter from Dixie Hunt Scott and at 11.5 it just got missed from the

[0:05:21] Trustee Fast: agenda so we've received that by email and so I don't think that's really an

[0:05:27] Trustee Fast: in addition to the agenda.

[0:05:30] Trustee Fast: But Laura, where would you like to,

[0:05:32] Trustee Fast: did you want to discuss your discussion paper?

[0:05:34] Trustee Busheikin: I really

[0:05:35] Trustee Busheikin: do want to discuss the discussion paper

[0:05:36] Trustee Busheikin: and I am very sorry, you know,

[0:05:39] Trustee Busheikin: I've had a draft of that for like,

[0:05:41] Trustee Busheikin: I think since before our last meeting,

[0:05:43] Trustee Busheikin: it just wasn't, took a while to gel.

[0:05:46] Trustee Busheikin: But I would like just to include that

[0:05:47] Trustee Busheikin: as part of our discussion at our work program.

[0:05:50] Trustee Busheikin: Like under top

[0:05:52] Trustee Busheikin: priorities report,

[0:05:53] Trustee Busheikin: actually it could be 14.1.1.

[0:05:55] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[0:05:56] Trustee Fast: That's 14.1 on the agenda for anybody who's following along. And this is a discussion paper from Trustee Boucherkin that arrived too late to be included in our formal agenda. So, Trustee Critchley, are you all right with putting that in 14.1 where we talk about top priorities?

[0:06:20] Voice 6: Certainly.

[0:06:21] Voice 6: okay

[0:06:22] Trustee Fast: good and maybe staff can insert it later into the agenda or something so people can

[0:06:27] Trustee Fast: the public can find it yes

[0:06:32] Planner Zupanec: we can do that

[0:06:32] Trustee Fast: thank you very good i just wanted to um

[0:06:36] Trustee Fast: make sure about that okay so with those changes are there any other additions or

[0:06:41] Trustee Fast: um revisions or changes to the um agenda just letting people know heather cower uh regional

[0:06:50] Trustee Fast: planning manager Heather Cowher may be available after 11 for example if she wants to come in when

[0:06:57] Trustee Fast: we talk about the discussion Laura's discussion paper hearing none can I take it by general

[0:07:04] Trustee Fast: consent that the agenda is approved yes I'm

[0:07:10] Trustee Fast: seeing some nodding very good thank you so by general

[0:07:12] Trustee Fast: consent the agenda is approved and we're going to move on now to rise and report this is number

[0:07:18] Trustee Fast: number three on our agenda and here is where I'm going to just read the standing resolution that we

[0:07:24] Trustee Fast: adopted at our March 16th in-camera meeting so this is just to bring it out into the public

[0:07:31] Trustee Fast: and at that meeting the local trust committee Denman local trust committee resolved to rise

[0:07:38] Trustee Fast: and report that at the March 16th 2001 in-camera meeting sorry the LTC adopted the in-camera

[0:07:44] Trustee Fast: minutes dated January 19th 2021 and passed the following standing resolution

[0:07:49] Trustee Fast: that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee confirm that the following

[0:07:53] Trustee Fast: enforcement policy has been and continues in effect while there is a

[0:07:58] Trustee Fast: public health emergency declared for COVID-19 enforcement activities have

[0:08:02] Trustee Fast: been deferred for all unlawful dwellings there will be no evictions or demands

[0:08:08] Trustee Fast: for eviction and that site inspection for the purposes of gathering information

[0:08:13] Trustee Fast: and communication with property owners will continue and that Denman Island

[0:08:18] Trustee Fast: Local Trust Committee may change this policy at any time and may give

[0:08:22] Trustee Fast: direction to resume enforcement activities so this is what we passed and

[0:08:28] Trustee Fast: I believe you'll find that in the standing resolutions section of the

[0:08:35] Trustee Fast: agenda okay so I'm going to move on now to reports and trust we don't have

[0:08:44] Trustee Fast: Director Arbour will not be joining us today so we've got local trustee reports and then

[0:08:49] Trustee Fast: I'll give a brief report. Who would like to go ahead first? Then I will call on David Critchley.

[0:08:57] Trustee Fast: Go ahead David.

[0:09:01] Trustee Critchley: Thank you. So first of all I'd like to report attending a meeting on March 29th

[0:09:07] Trustee Critchley: of the Trust Council Select Committee. This is a committee that has struck to arrange for a

[0:09:15] Trustee Critchley: a management review of the trust and to hire a consultant that's done by a bid process through

[0:09:24] Trustee Critchley: bc bid and at that meeting we struck a sub committee of our committee to

[0:09:32] Trustee Critchley: that would score the the application so

[0:09:37] Trustee Critchley: So, yes, that's about all I can report from that one.

[0:09:44] Trustee Critchley: March 31st, I attended Bain Sound Steering Committee meeting, Bain Sound Forum.

[0:09:53] Trustee Critchley: I suppose I should say Bain Sound and Elaborate Channel Forum.

[0:09:56] Trustee Critchley: I get in the bad habit of using an abbreviated form of that.

[0:10:00] Trustee Critchley: So the main thing from that is we agreed we set up a website and an email address for it.

[0:10:08] Trustee Critchley: We had further discussions about an upcoming forum, which I think is going to be maybe the

[0:10:14] Trustee Critchley: end of May, although I looked and I don't have a date for it just yet. April the 8th, I attended

[0:10:21] Trustee Critchley: a Trust Programs Committee meeting. We were primarily dealing with applications for funding

[0:10:28] Trustee Critchley: from various groups, including the Bain Sound Lambert Channel Forum. I raised the question

[0:10:34] Trustee Critchley: about whether it was appropriate for trustees who were involved in a particular group to vote

[0:10:42] Trustee Critchley: on the question of funding for that group. That threw the proceedings into a bit of a tizzy

[0:10:47] Trustee Critchley: because virtually everybody on the committee is involved in some way with a special interest

[0:10:57] Trustee Critchley: group, if you like. Now, in my situation, I'm not a director. This is an unincorporated

[0:11:05] Trustee Critchley: informal group of the Bainsound Lambert Channel Forum but nonetheless there's a there was a law

[0:11:12] Trustee Critchley: case on this point and the problem with it is that you get disqualified from holding office if you

[0:11:19] Trustee Critchley: violate the code so to speak so we're going to get a legal opinion on that that's

[0:11:24] Trustee Critchley: the fallout from it on April 19th I also attend another trust council select committee

[0:11:32] Trustee Critchley: That was an in-camera meeting, so I can't report to you what we discussed. May the 3rd, just yesterday, I had a special meeting of the Trust Programs Committee, which was also attended by executive committee members.

[0:11:48] Trustee Critchley: And we were dealing then with the first draft of a revised trust policy statement, which is a very complicated subject and took a lot of time and preparation for that meeting.

[0:12:06] Trustee Critchley: We didn't make too much progress on it.

[0:12:08] Trustee Critchley: we've decided to that each of the members will submit comments in writing as to the issues that

[0:12:16] Trustee Critchley: they see in this first draft that first draft will then be the subject of another meeting

[0:12:23] Trustee Critchley: possibly on the 14th of may this i mentioned that because it is a public meeting we did have trust

[0:12:32] Trustee Critchley: sorry town hall type session on that and i expect we would in the next one as well

[0:12:38] Trustee Critchley: So public are very much invited to attend those meetings. So the work of amending the trust policy statement continues. That's a priority. It's a very big project. And I'm very involved with that. That's my report. Thank you.

[0:12:55] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Critchley. And Trustee Boucherkin, we can't hear you.

[0:13:00] Trustee Fast: Thank

[0:13:03] Trustee Busheikin: you. Can I just ask a question of Trustee Critchley? Okay. I'm curious when you talked

[0:13:09] Trustee Busheikin: about allocation of funding for various forums and projects and groups. Is this, like, I wasn't

[0:13:18] Trustee Busheikin: aware of a funding program. There's the Heritage and Conservation Grants, or I think that's what

[0:13:24] Trustee Busheikin: they're called. Is this more to do with just budget allocations for staff and projects that

[0:13:32] Trustee Busheikin: would support these groups or i'm just curious about the funding that's

[0:13:36] Trustee Critchley: correct yeah in in point

[0:13:38] Trustee Critchley: of fact uh we are technically not a granting organization we don't do that and we don't as i

[0:13:44] Trustee Critchley: understand have power to do that to be doling out taxpayers money but we do um we do allocate funds

[0:13:52] Trustee Critchley: through the budgeting process towards various projects um primarily it's a secretariat role

[0:14:00] Trustee Critchley: that has been adopted by the Islands Trust towards a number of groups,

[0:14:07] Trustee Critchley: such as the Howe Sound Forum, and there's, I think,

[0:14:14] Trustee Critchley: a Douglas Fir Conservation Group.

[0:14:16] Trustee Critchley: One of the requirements is that the trust be involved in these things.

[0:14:20] Trustee Critchley: It's not that we just dole out money.

[0:14:22] Trustee Critchley: It's actually an involvement, but, of course,

[0:14:26] Trustee Critchley: there are budgeting things to hold events,

[0:14:28] Trustee Critchley: to uh engage facilitators and such things yeah got it

[0:14:33] Trustee Critchley: oh yeah

[0:14:34] Trustee Busheikin: totally good okay so um

[0:14:37] Trustee Busheikin: uh it sounds like you're very busy doing important and some challenging complex work there so thank

[0:14:45] Trustee Busheikin: you um i've also been busy um i attended a afternoon indigenous awareness training webinar

[0:14:55] Trustee Busheikin: an ARPANON by the Comox Valley Regional District. It was extremely well done. There's going to be

[0:15:01] Trustee Busheikin: another one. Covered a lot of ground and, you know, a lot of it was ground that has been covered

[0:15:07] Trustee Busheikin: before. I've covered before probably multiple times in forums and trainings and readings,

[0:15:13] Trustee Busheikin: but I do find that it doesn't really matter. Like this, it's, there's a lot, like a lot he

[0:15:20] Trustee Busheikin: He covered off, he was looking at the history

[0:15:23] Trustee Busheikin: of legal decisions, for instance,

[0:15:25] Trustee Busheikin: that shape current reconciliation,

[0:15:28] Trustee Busheikin: which could be a lifetime study.

[0:15:30] Trustee Busheikin: And he also, as the facilitator was indigenous

[0:15:33] Trustee Busheikin: and he wove in personal stories and personal reflections

[0:15:39] Trustee Busheikin: that was really valuable.

[0:15:40] Trustee Busheikin: I attended, it's just actually a pre-meeting meeting

[0:15:44] Trustee Busheikin: of the regional planning committee,

[0:15:46] Trustee Busheikin: but that is important work just that committee's got so much on its plate that we can barely fit

[0:15:54] Trustee Busheikin: it into a reasonably length meeting but we're doing it and we're meeting next week and I attended

[0:16:02] Trustee Busheikin: and I haven't ever done this before I attended a group called the Comox Valley Homelessness

[0:16:07] Trustee Busheikin: Coalition I've just gotten on their invite list and I've never managed to attend and that was

[0:16:12] Trustee Busheikin: was actually really, really interesting. And, you know, broaden my perspective a lot. I mean,

[0:16:19] Trustee Busheikin: it's not directly focused on local and regional governments, although there are there were people

[0:16:26] Trustee Busheikin: from the other from other local and regional governments in the area. So I'm going to try

[0:16:31] Trustee Busheikin: and attend it about once a month and just keep attending. I'm kind of more of a listener there.

[0:16:35] Trustee Busheikin: but that's refreshing. I chaired and attended a couple of DERCON meetings, that's the local

[0:16:44] Trustee Busheikin: informal network around COVID issues and COVID response, and that's going well.

[0:16:57] Trustee Busheikin: I've been busy a lot with constituents calling me and wanting to meet with me,

[0:17:01] Trustee Busheikin: And actually, interestingly, over the last, since the last meeting, I've had four different people contact me around, like, housing projects.

[0:17:16] Trustee Busheikin: So not like individuals wanting to know what they can build and if they can build a suite or why we haven't, you know, permitted secondary suites outright in the past or whatever.

[0:17:25] Trustee Busheikin: whatever. But people who are looking at things like multi-unit affordable housing projects and

[0:17:33] Trustee Busheikin: wanting to do something like that and just wanting to pick my brain. So that was kind of interesting.

[0:17:38] Trustee Busheikin: I had two meetings of the Freshwater Strategy Roundtable or Steering Committee, I think it's

[0:17:45] Trustee Busheikin: called, which I sit on, which is, you know, leading the creation of a freshwater strategy

[0:17:54] Trustee Busheikin: for the whole trust area is really big piece of work a great group great we got really good um

[0:18:01] Trustee Busheikin: contractors to make that happen we're really happy with them and we actually had a say two meetings

[0:18:05] Trustee Busheikin: one was a social get together which was kind of fun and part of i think the new way of working

[0:18:09] Trustee Busheikin: on zoom when you have a group that doesn't know each other you come together by zoom

[0:18:12] Trustee Busheikin: we actually created time just to to socialize on zoom and um i think that worked and then the

[0:18:18] Trustee Busheikin: meeting itself they're quite long and good and what's interesting is although we're talking

[0:18:23] Trustee Busheikin: about water i mean water has a tendency to to

[0:18:26] Trustee Busheikin: flow through things uh that the three topics that the

[0:18:30] Trustee Busheikin: island's trust policy statement review is focusing on which is climate change reconciliation housing

[0:18:36] Trustee Busheikin: come up at every meeting when we're talking about water and i just find it instructive to see how

[0:18:41] Trustee Busheikin: things are so interconnected um and the yeah there has been one meeting of regional planning

[0:18:47] Trustee Busheikin: committee I think the report I always say is still we're still working on the fees bylaw

[0:18:53] Trustee Busheikin: model bylaw and policies with that and we actually invited financial planning committee to come to

[0:19:00] Trustee Busheikin: our meeting to give input on that which was good but comprehensive let's say and

[0:19:10] Trustee Busheikin: yeah actually that's the main the main work and then the freshwater strategy is also happening

[0:19:16] Trustee Busheikin: there and then a lot of new things kind of coming up i'll

[0:19:18] Trustee Busheikin: have more report uh probably next meeting

[0:19:21] Trustee Busheikin: and then just you know um helping draft some letters of support there on the agenda finishing

[0:19:27] Trustee Busheikin: up this discussion paper uh and then the usual um you know inquiries and questions and comments

[0:19:35] Trustee Busheikin: from islanders very good thank

[0:19:39] Trustee Fast: you very much any questions david no

[0:19:44] Trustee Busheikin: i actually have one more to add

[0:19:46] Trustee Busheikin: that I just forgot, which is that I had a phone check-in with our MLA, Josie Osborne, and

[0:19:51] Trustee Busheikin: it is something that we have set an intention to do regularly. She's even busier than me,

[0:19:57] Trustee Busheikin: so it's difficult, but it's really nice to have that outreach from an MLA. And

[0:20:04] Trustee Busheikin: yeah, so it's just something that we will try and do every maybe six to eight weeks,

[0:20:12] Trustee Busheikin: quite informally. But if there's ever anything you want to suggest I bring up to her,

[0:20:15] Trustee Busheikin: you could do that we mostly talked about um about housing and about um uh the complexity

[0:20:24] Trustee Busheikin: of application processes and if anything could be done about that thank

[0:20:28] Trustee Fast: you yes that's Josie

[0:20:30] Trustee Fast: Osborne's also the minister of municipal affairs and so um that's pretty significant contact um

[0:20:37] Trustee Fast: I know executive committee um some members of executive the chair and uh and one other member

[0:20:43] Trustee Fast: of executive committee and the cao of the islands trust ross houghton peller um met with her um and

[0:20:52] Trustee Fast: her uh senior staff um since christmas anyway but you know she works on many levels so uh that's

[0:21:02] Trustee Fast: very um that's great that you've been able to talk to her um i'll just uh whip through my um

[0:21:09] Trustee Fast: a few things that I thought might be interesting

[0:21:11] Trustee Fast: to people on Denman Island and to trustees.

[0:21:18] Trustee Fast: Yesterday, like David, we were in,

[0:21:22] Trustee Fast: I was also in that Trust Programs Committee meeting,

[0:21:25] Trustee Fast: partly just because to spare staff the effort

[0:21:28] Trustee Fast: of making the whole presentation, again,

[0:21:30] Trustee Fast: just to three members of Executive Committee too, actually,

[0:21:33] Trustee Fast: because Trustee Rogers is also

[0:21:37] Trustee Fast: on the trust programs committee and uh chair luckham is usually at all those meetings anyway

[0:21:43] Trustee Fast: it was very interesting um first look at the first draft and uh interesting to hear trustees

[0:21:49] Trustee Fast: perspectives um it's a bold uh first draft and which is exciting and um uh and it's uh um

[0:21:57] Trustee Fast: delightful to see one of the big uh projects that we set out in our strategic plan at the

[0:22:04] Trustee Fast: beginning of the term uh coming into reality and so um we'll have another meeting on that as david

[0:22:11] Trustee Fast: said coming up um around the next trust council may not be part of the next trust council meeting

[0:22:19] Trustee Fast: because it's kind of its own topic and uh just for people um the trust uh policy statement used to

[0:22:26] Trustee Fast: used to look like this now everything's going online of course but this one was consolidated

[0:22:34] Trustee Fast: in 2003 so there's there's a serious update underway uh with climate change reconciliation

[0:22:39] Trustee Fast: and uh housing being main themes as well as a whole lot of other catch-up so this is kind of

[0:22:45] Trustee Fast: like the ocp of all of our ocps so uh it's time to review and update it and that's what's underway so

[0:22:53] Trustee Fast: it's very exciting to see that and thank you for your work on that trustee critchley um and i'm

[0:22:59] Trustee Fast: excited to hear about the freshwater strategy too and it's true that the water flows through

[0:23:02] Trustee Fast: everything, doesn't it? Anyway, some of these big projects are coming together as we're now

[0:23:06] Trustee Fast: about two-thirds or more through the term of our elected office in these funny COVID times.

[0:23:14] Trustee Fast: I was going to mention I'm also on the Municipal Council of Bowen Island and here we have another,

[0:23:22] Trustee Fast: just for your interest, another one of these large dock applications. It's part of a

[0:23:33] Trustee Fast: a strategy that may help reclaim public access to a beach. A hundred-year-old public access

[0:23:40] Trustee Fast: that was once a log dump, so it has a really steep part at the bottom. There was a little

[0:23:51] Trustee Fast: permitted access to neighbors across the bottom corner of a private lot. It was never surveyed.

[0:23:58] Trustee Fast: people assumed that that was the public access anyway um many things have happened the public

[0:24:04] Trustee Fast: access is now um in danger of being closed by the um property owner um and uh because it is

[0:24:14] Trustee Fast: private property so there's trespass issues and there's uh uh this uh large dock that's being

[0:24:20] Trustee Fast: offered with uh variances requested in return for access over the dock meanwhile the neighborhood

[0:24:27] Trustee Fast: is also coming up with another option and that is um which we didn't know about which was uh to put

[0:24:32] Trustee Fast: in a metal set of stairs so we've got these two options going on but i just wanted to flag it

[0:24:36] Trustee Fast: for another island that's concerned about its beaches um that um uh protecting these things

[0:24:42] Trustee Fast: ahead of time is a really good idea but they can't always get ahead of them plus uh another one of

[0:24:50] Trustee Fast: these uh very large docks um that you may have heard about we've got issues with on bowen or

[0:24:56] Trustee Fast: or concerns about.

[0:24:59] Trustee Fast: Okay, other ones are things like development variance

[0:25:04] Trustee Fast: permits for waterfront homes,

[0:25:06] Trustee Fast: make bigger and bigger homes into the setbacks

[0:25:10] Trustee Fast: and into the natural areas,

[0:25:13] Trustee Fast: which Bowen Council often passes

[0:25:17] Trustee Fast: and my vote is only one of seven.

[0:25:23] Trustee Fast: Let's put it that way.

[0:25:24] Trustee Fast: We had the Bolinas Wind Chelsea meeting,

[0:25:26] Trustee Fast: which was an interesting one I just wanted to mention it because that's a local trust area

[0:25:32] Trustee Fast: that gets one local trust meeting a year because there's only a few people living in it and it's

[0:25:38] Trustee Fast: the big islandish area that is mostly marine with tiny islands so when you look at

[0:25:48] Trustee Fast: remember we did the um contiguous uh forest mapping for example here's some of the mapping

[0:25:57] Trustee Fast: that happened last year about denman um well they didn't have any of those big areas because all the

[0:26:02] Trustee Fast: islands are so small they didn't fit and uh so it's basically a marine area with kelp forest and

[0:26:08] Trustee Fast: fascinating to um look at what planning there might be um anyway let's see executive committee

[0:26:18] Trustee Fast: um we meet weekly either on the phone or uh by zoom and uh so now we're starting to plan the next

[0:26:26] Trustee Fast: um the june trust council meeting and uh i have uh cornby ltc meeting um next week or the week

[0:26:36] Trustee Fast: after i forget anyway so that's uh that's just a brief report from me um and now we'll move into

[0:26:43] Trustee Fast: to the town hall section, unless there's any questions.

[0:26:46] Trustee Fast: Laura?

[0:26:47] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, I have a question.

[0:26:49] Trustee Busheikin: And also, since we don't have our electoral area director,

[0:26:53] Trustee Busheikin: I had one announcement on his behalf.

[0:26:56] Trustee Busheikin: So I'll be brief.

[0:26:58] Trustee Busheikin: And the question I have is,

[0:26:59] Trustee Busheikin: one of the things I talked to Emily Osborne about,

[0:27:03] Trustee Busheikin: and then I believe I sent an email to executive committee

[0:27:06] Trustee Busheikin: about was this grant that her ministry is offering,

[0:27:10] Trustee Busheikin: I think, Development Processing Grant or Development Something Grant, and it's specifically to look at this question of applications and the process that applications go through and can there be something to support that.

[0:27:31] Trustee Busheikin: I believe it has a focus actually on housing in particular.

[0:27:36] Trustee Busheikin: And I was told that the trust is, or the executive committee, led by executive committee, the

[0:27:41] Trustee Busheikin: trust was working on an application.

[0:27:44] Trustee Busheikin: I don't remember who I emailed about it, but can you, do you have any?

[0:27:47] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, I can

[0:27:48] Trustee Fast: offer some insight is that for a couple of meetings now, staff have been

[0:27:54] Trustee Fast: working on it.

[0:27:55] Trustee Fast: uh they have first they came up with a a number of options and that has been narrowed down

[0:28:01] Trustee Fast: and um uh and i can't recall whether we're down to one option or not but i believe um

[0:28:10] Trustee Fast: that's coming to i think it might be coming to our our next um executive committee meeting

[0:28:15] Trustee Fast: and the agenda may be out there so

[0:28:19] Trustee Busheikin: thanks yeah just that that sounds great um yeah uh i think

[0:28:24] Trustee Busheikin: it's it sounds like she was really encouraging us and she had ideas too which i believe i put

[0:28:29] Trustee Busheikin: in my email to whoever i emailed yeah and

[0:28:31] Trustee Busheikin: then so the announcement and like her information um

[0:28:35] Trustee Busheikin: on behalf of the cbrd is that um and this is really for any members of the public out there

[0:28:41] Trustee Busheikin: uh is that they are doing a um a public information session on green shores and that is

[0:28:49] Trustee Busheikin: is may 13th 7 to 8 and i just i really want to plug this because green shores is the it's about

[0:28:56] Trustee Busheikin: the best way to care for the shoreline and prevent shoreline erosion uh which is a ever increasingly

[0:29:05] Trustee Busheikin: important topic with um with climate change not only rising sea levels but increased uh extreme

[0:29:12] Trustee Busheikin: weather and storms and increased development are eating away there's there's places on denman i

[0:29:18] Trustee Busheikin: walk the beach a lot that scare me. And the traditional ways of doing it with seawalls are

[0:29:24] Trustee Busheikin: actually bad for your ultimate goal. They seem like quick fixes, but in the even medium run level

[0:29:31] Trustee Busheikin: on the long run, they're really very detrimental. So I just hope I'll put it out on Facebook. I

[0:29:37] Trustee Busheikin: would just encourage any Denman Islanders, even if you're not on the shoreline, it's good to know

[0:29:41] Trustee Busheikin: about this. They are doing a separate webinar for elected officials that I'll be attending.

[0:29:48] Trustee Busheikin: uh the trust has in past years done its own uh workshops and information about green shores so

[0:29:55] Trustee Busheikin: i'm just i'm really happy to see this yeah

[0:29:57] Trustee Fast: it's a super program thank you for bringing that up

[0:30:00] Trustee Fast: yeah and uh interesting workshops too because you get to see before and afters and uh find out who's

[0:30:09] Trustee Fast: doing what uh in terms of communities and what the um it's fascinating to see the transformations and

[0:30:17] Trustee Fast: how much nature comes back um okay so uh now up with unless there's anything else we're going to

[0:30:24] Trustee Fast: to move on to the town hall uh section of the um meeting and uh i can see simon palmer's over there

[0:30:33] Trustee Fast: in the room but this is the chance to share your views this is um every trust committee

[0:30:37] Trustee Fast: meeting every trust meeting has this opportunity for the public to um uh to speak and especially

[0:30:45] Trustee Fast: especially if it's new information, or around two minutes, and we'd like to hear what you've got to

[0:30:54] Trustee Fast: say. So usually it's applicants speak when their application is heard, but we don't have an

[0:31:01] Trustee Fast: application on the agenda today, and we don't have a delegation, so this is the chance to hear. Is

[0:31:07] Trustee Fast: there anybody who would wish to speak? Calling on the public, Simon Palmer, if you're wanting to

[0:31:13] Trustee Fast: speak you need to raise your hand um or if you're on a phone it's star nine i believe let's see

[0:31:26] Trustee Fast: oh that was one of these uh ohs about way too many things open on my screen okay um i'm not

[0:31:36] Trustee Fast: seeing anybody wanting to speak um last call for town hall town hall if there's somebody who would

[0:31:49] Trustee Fast: like to speak please raise your hand okay i'm going to move on um no delegations today we're

[0:32:01] Trustee Fast: into the minutes section of the meetings uh page four of the uh agenda is there anybody who would

[0:32:08] Trustee Fast: like to uh make changes to the agenda among the trustees or can we adopt them by general consent

[0:32:17] Trustee Fast: seeing seeing some nodding okay by general consent um the um meeting well we've got a bunch of

[0:32:26] Trustee Fast: minutes so the meeting minutes the special meeting march 15th are adopted can i see some thumbs up

[0:32:32] Trustee Fast: very good that's got three thumbs up um and the public hearing record dated march 15th because

[0:32:40] Trustee Fast: that was a public hearing three thumbs up thank you and 7.3 this is where our minutes from march

[0:32:48] Trustee Fast: 16th the day after that for adoption one two three thumbs up and uh resolution without meeting

[0:32:57] Trustee Fast: report um and these were because we did a few um resolutions by email uh that's on page 20

[0:33:04] Trustee Fast: is that okay to

[0:33:07] Trustee Busheikin: adopt as it is i think that's just for information that it's there i don't

[0:33:11] Trustee Busheikin: think we adopt it but i don't know sure that's all right okay all right

[0:33:15] Trustee Fast: anyway 7.4 has a check

[0:33:17] Trustee Fast: mark beside it now and there's no uh advisory planning commission minute uh minutes this time

[0:33:23] Trustee Fast: around and um now we're into follow-up action list page 21 of the agenda um anybody got questions

[0:33:35] Trustee Fast: for the planner, or did you want to present a report, Sonia?

[0:33:40] Planner Zupanec: No,

[0:33:41] Trustee Fast: I'll just answer any questions if you have any.

[0:33:43] Trustee Fast: Okay, any questions for Planner Zupanet?

[0:33:48] Trustee Fast: I'm not seeing any hands going up, nice and clear.

[0:33:52] Trustee Fast: Okay, let's move on.

[0:33:54] Trustee Fast: I'm putting a check mark beside 8.1.

[0:33:57] Trustee Fast: We're moving on to, these are a number of letters.

[0:34:01] Trustee Fast: Your local trust committee was very busy

[0:34:03] Trustee Fast: after the last huge meeting,

[0:34:06] Trustee Fast: That March meeting was enormous with four delegations, you might recall, and a lot of business conducted, including that needed follow up. So these are why these letters are included here, partly for our reference and partly for members of the public to be able to find them later.

[0:34:22] Trustee Fast: and uh anybody want to speak to 8.2 this is our our letter of support for the connected coast

[0:34:28] Trustee Fast: program page 26 seeing none um 8.3 on page 28 which one is this oh yes this was uh

[0:34:44] Trustee Fast: your local trust committee um asked executive committee uh to sponsor which means to uh

[0:34:54] Trustee Fast: charge no fee basically, or sort of for the rezoning application for the Denman Housing

[0:34:59] Trustee Fast: Association. So that's there. Any comment or questions? Okay, we're moving on. 8.4.

[0:35:07] Trustee Fast: We've all been involved in all of these. So these are more for reference. And this was 8.4 was the

[0:35:14] Trustee Fast: letter to the editor in response to the petition that we received from the first delegation at the

[0:35:21] Trustee Fast: the March Denman Local Trust Committee meeting.

[0:35:25] Trustee Fast: And so that's, thank you.

[0:35:27] Trustee Fast: Yeah, you can see it on the screen there

[0:35:29] Trustee Fast: and it's available just for the record

[0:35:33] Trustee Fast: in terms of receiving that petition.

[0:35:39] Trustee Fast: Okay, and I think that's been in the local press.

[0:35:44] Trustee Fast: And so we'll move on now to the application.

[0:35:47] Trustee Fast: We've got a letter here

[0:35:49] Trustee Fast: from the Denman Housing Association page 32 and just find it here one second. It's a brief letter

[0:36:02] Trustee Fast: and Planner Zupanets did you wish to speak to this or shall we?

[0:36:12] Planner Zupanec: Sorry I don't

[0:36:13] Trustee Fast: have any comments

[0:36:14] Trustee Fast: it's here for your information.

[0:36:16] Trustee Fast: Right thank you. It's kind of a letter from Denman Housing

[0:36:23] Trustee Fast: Association. I see Simon Palmer is still part of the meeting over there in attendees. He can raise

[0:36:28] Trustee Fast: raise his hand if he would like to speak to this,

[0:36:32] Trustee Fast: but basically it's not an application.

[0:36:34] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Critchley.

[0:36:38] Trustee Critchley: Yes, thank you.

[0:36:38] Trustee Critchley: I noticed that the concern is about the length of time

[0:36:42] Trustee Critchley: that it takes to get a water license.

[0:36:45] Trustee Critchley: I can say that the water licensing branch,

[0:36:49] Trustee Critchley: I had discussions with them, not about this in particular,

[0:36:55] Trustee Critchley: but they do apparently have a policy

[0:36:57] Trustee Critchley: where they will fast track applications for licenses where it is in public interest or

[0:37:06] Trustee Critchley: special circumstances so when we have an application before us there's a possibility

[0:37:13] Trustee Critchley: we could pass a motion that would request water licensing branch to fast track the application

[0:37:21] Trustee Critchley: I just mentioned that at this point, in case I forget at a later time.

[0:37:28] Trustee Fast: I didn't realize that that was available. Thank you for that.

[0:37:32] Trustee Fast: Water licensing.

[0:37:34] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[0:37:37] Trustee Fast: And I'm not seeing any hands raised or anything.

[0:37:42] Trustee Fast: Sorry, are we working with the electronic hands?

[0:37:46] Trustee Fast: Yeah. Well, I was mostly looking for Simon Palmer. Sorry. Go ahead.

[0:37:50] Trustee Fast: Oh, I

[0:37:51] Trustee Busheikin: see. Okay. Okay, thanks. My physical hand.

[0:37:56] Trustee Busheikin: Go

[0:37:56] Trustee Fast: ahead, Trustee Boucher.

[0:37:57] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, I want to thank you for that. David, I didn't know about that. And that's good sleuthing to find that out.

[0:38:05] Trustee Busheikin: And when I saw this letter, and I've had personal discussion with Simon as well, I chatted with a couple members of the Gabriela Local Trust Committee because they kind of got attention because they had a somewhat similar application for multi-unit affordable rental housing that they processed in a year,

[0:38:32] Trustee Busheikin: which is kind of um not just in the trust area but throughout BC quite an unusually quick time

[0:38:40] Trustee Busheikin: um and got some people's attention and I you know I'm like how did that happen I mean part of it was

[0:38:45] Trustee Busheikin: that they they had a consultant and that consultant took that on as their job and they were someone

[0:38:51] Trustee Busheikin: who was very experienced and could anticipate what was needed and you know look at it every

[0:38:57] Trustee Busheikin: morning and and all of that um and um and so there's that and I think uh I've talked to Simon

[0:39:05] Trustee Busheikin: about that and he's aware of that um and um but they did make this decision to start processing

[0:39:12] Trustee Busheikin: it right away uh and um and there were some other things like shortened referral times and things

[0:39:19] Trustee Busheikin: like that I'm actually going to talk with Scott Holborn again about what happened there because

[0:39:24] Trustee Busheikin: there's always that tension we know very well between wanting to move these things quickly but

[0:39:30] Trustee Busheikin: not wanting to skip any really important due diligence whether that's technical or

[0:39:36] Trustee Busheikin: in terms of consultation and I am aware of that so anyway I just like I would like to see us

[0:39:46] Trustee Busheikin: move forward and consider this and not wait for the water license I'm wondering if we need a

[0:39:53] Trustee Busheikin: a motion to request staff to do that,

[0:39:58] Trustee Busheikin: or if it will move forward without us making that motion.

[0:40:03] Planner Zupanec: I can speak to the process that we're at right now

[0:40:08] Planner Zupanec: is that we're anticipating your preliminary staff report

[0:40:11] Planner Zupanec: for your July meeting.

[0:40:13] Planner Zupanec: And right now what we're working on is,

[0:40:15] Planner Zupanec: as you've already received,

[0:40:17] Planner Zupanec: is the subdivision referral response to the ministry

[0:40:20] Planner Zupanec: for that first step.

[0:40:21] Planner Zupanec: this is a multi multi-step application with multiple properties involved it also requires

[0:40:27] Planner Zupanec: a development variance permit so that's the next piece that we've already started to work on so

[0:40:31] Planner Zupanec: there would be a development variance permit on your July application or July agenda as well

[0:40:37] Planner Zupanec: so a lot of little unexciting bits to sort out in anticipation of that July meeting having

[0:40:45] Planner Zupanec: having all the substance that you need in terms of identifying all the

[0:40:50] Planner Zupanec: potential issues and all the potential options to move forward.

[0:40:54] Planner Zupanec: And it's at that point in time,

[0:40:55] Planner Zupanec: once you have that information that you can then direct staff,

[0:41:00] Planner Zupanec: however you wish to direct staff in terms of moving forward with the

[0:41:06] Planner Zupanec: applications, because there's multiple pieces to this.

[0:41:11] Planner Zupanec: so so we'll lay all that out for you in july and receive your direction at that time so thanks for

[0:41:18] Planner Zupanec: your patience we're definitely not sitting waiting for anybody we're we're processing

[0:41:22] Planner Zupanec: this application as we speak it's just that these parts aren't very exciting because they're the

[0:41:28] Planner Zupanec: background pieces to enable the lot that would receive the density to be

[0:41:36] Planner Zupanec: be rezoned so there's some other pieces the subdivision and the dvp that that are coming

[0:41:44] Planner Zupanec: first and the rezoning will be a part of that parallel process but we're getting all the

[0:41:50] Planner Zupanec: technical bits and pieces sorted out there's

[0:41:53] Trustee Fast: a lot of work i think and uh considering that at the

[0:41:57] Trustee Fast: previous denman local trust committee meeting um the application wasn't even in and finalized

[0:42:03] Trustee Fast: as i understood so or maybe it was just in the process of getting started i think that there's

[0:42:10] Trustee Fast: a bunch of uh bunch of steps that have to happen and i'm not surprised so this is great um but it's

[0:42:16] Trustee Fast: good to have it on our agenda so we can put our minds to that and uh i think this is great that

[0:42:21] Trustee Fast: you're looking at the um gabriola housing uh society and how they were managing to do things

[0:42:27] Trustee Fast: it's a little different there go ahead sonia just

[0:42:30] Planner Zupanec: to give a bit more perspective for the gabriola

[0:42:32] Planner Zupanec: of file it is not completed as you are well aware there are some significant hurdles that they're

[0:42:38] Planner Zupanec: now experiencing with the housing agreement which was fast-tracked so just to balance the perspective

[0:42:44] Planner Zupanec: that you may be hearing there's been significant concerns with that fast-tracking process for the

[0:42:49] Planner Zupanec: housing agreement that ended up resulting in significant delays in terms of the drafting

[0:42:54] Planner Zupanec: between staff the legal team and the applicant and and now First Nations involvement in that

[0:43:01] Planner Zupanec: post-public hearing. So there are some lessons learned from that application and I just caution

[0:43:07] Planner Zupanec: anyone who's watching that file and may only see certain elements of it to also recognize that

[0:43:14] Planner Zupanec: behind the scenes the fast tracking of some of those pieces has resulted in significant staff

[0:43:22] Planner Zupanec: workload and potential relationships in terms of transparency working with our agencies and

[0:43:29] Planner Zupanec: first nation partners so we we are trying to manage that as best as we can but that application

[0:43:35] Planner Zupanec: is not necessarily the poster child of an expedited smooth uh housing application that

[0:43:41] Planner Zupanec: that might be the sentiment and i encourage you to speak with the planner who is who's working

[0:43:46] Planner Zupanec: still working on sorting out those details uh to enable adoption to be foreseen so we're not there

[0:43:54] Planner Zupanec: areas.

[0:43:55] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much for the perspective. Trustee Bushekin.

[0:43:59] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, and thank you for that,

[0:44:02] Trustee Busheikin: Sonia. And yeah, I think that's really, really important to remember. And that's when I talked

[0:44:08] Trustee Busheikin: about the balance. And you know, if we could, if we could become a poster child, if this could

[0:44:12] Trustee Busheikin: become a poster child of a responsibly expedited process, that would be great. And I understand

[0:44:18] Trustee Busheikin: that there's there's limits to how possible that is and I know having seen other housing

[0:44:26] Trustee Busheikin: projects go forward that were there was pressure to move quickly and they're

[0:44:31] Trustee Busheikin: seen what can happen with just a detail falls between the cracks like an application is not

[0:44:38] Trustee Busheikin: done properly for anyway we all know examples um and um and it comes back in the end to hurt

[0:44:47] Trustee Busheikin: everyone or slow down or um jettison or no jeopardize things so and i actually have talked

[0:44:53] Trustee Busheikin: to the planner involved but would actually welcome talking to her again and the um item i wanted to

[0:44:59] Trustee Busheikin: talk to about with the trustee that we have a phone call set up for later this week is actually

[0:45:04] Trustee Busheikin: about the the first nations um relationships there because when i heard that the um the referral

[0:45:09] Trustee Busheikin: period was shortened to speed it up that was where my thoughts went well you know that might be fine

[0:45:17] Trustee Busheikin: with some agencies, but those who have real interest in First Nations, and it seems kind

[0:45:22] Trustee Busheikin: of the opposite of where a reconciliation action plan is going. So I am trying to wrap my head

[0:45:29] Trustee Busheikin: around that. And yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, I think enough said. Yeah.

[0:45:38] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[0:45:39] Trustee Fast: Thank you. This is good to hear. Trustee Critchley.

[0:45:43] Trustee Critchley: Thank you. Just while we're getting into this a little bit, and we might be getting ahead of

[0:45:48] Trustee Critchley: ourselves. But still, I think it might be a good time for me to say what's on my mind about this

[0:45:53] Trustee Critchley: is that if we were to go ahead with some sort of procedure, like going through three readings

[0:46:01] Trustee Critchley: before actually having the license, I think without making a conclusion about it,

[0:46:10] Trustee Critchley: I would prefer to see some information which would lead me to think that there was a good

[0:46:18] Trustee Critchley: possibility that this license was going to come through. So some material that was showing

[0:46:23] Trustee Critchley: the volumes of water available in existing wells, for example, and water quality analysis,

[0:46:34] Trustee Critchley: you know, as a preliminary basis, I think that would be great to have that early. And if possible,

[0:46:40] Trustee Critchley: with the first the first package um and then we could you know we'd be in a better position to

[0:46:47] Trustee Critchley: make some decision on how we would proceed that way from what i understand um there is an excellent

[0:46:55] Trustee Critchley: well on that property and that water should not be an issue but you know we need to see the

[0:46:59] Trustee Critchley: paperwork on that that's what i'm saying that's all all i wanted to say at the moment thanks

[0:47:05] Trustee Fast: Thank you Trustee Critchley. It's good to have a little bit of talk about it at the beginning

[0:47:14] Trustee Fast: stages and of course that's our role is to check that the process is the right one and happening

[0:47:22] Trustee Fast: the right way for the community. The planners will do the proper professional things but they'll leave

[0:47:28] Trustee Fast: us with some options and that's anyway we all have a role to play. It's good to have a bit of

[0:47:34] Trustee Fast: discussion any more about this at this point sure

[0:47:39] Voice 7: fast i just wanted to note that simon palmer's hand

[0:47:42] Voice 7: was up i

[0:47:43] Trustee Fast: was going to say now i see simon's hand is up um so uh would this be a good time to bring

[0:47:49] Trustee Fast: him into the meeting we're talking about his application and he's the applicant um so in our

[0:47:56] Trustee Fast: usual not that we're making any decisions today usually the applicant speaks um uh after the ltc

[0:48:06] Trustee Fast: has made a decision and uh so i i don't know i thought he was going to speak during the town hall

[0:48:14] Trustee Fast: what's the wish of the committee would you like to hear from the applicant yes okay so can we bring

[0:48:21] Trustee Fast: simon into the meeting please and and uh simon if you could just take a couple of minutes um max

[0:48:28] Trustee Fast: because we're not making decisions at this time it's early stages and uh but if you'd like to

[0:48:34] Trustee Fast: speak to us at this point sure

[0:48:38] Voice 1: can you hear me yes

[0:48:39] Trustee Fast: we can please go ahead good

[0:48:41] Voice 1: um no when i heard

[0:48:43] Voice 1: david critchley's comment just now i thought i'd uh inform uh the trust committee that um

[0:48:49] Voice 1: we in fact spoke yesterday to the water engineer who is concluding a very comprehensive report on

[0:48:58] Voice 1: on the 72-hour well test that we did on the property

[0:49:02] Voice 1: and an impact assessment on nearby wells.

[0:49:06] Voice 1: And very, very briefly, the answer to the question,

[0:49:12] Voice 1: if you like, the summary,

[0:49:13] Voice 1: is that there is plenty of water in the well

[0:49:16] Voice 1: and no impact was recorded over 72 hours on nearby wells.

[0:49:23] Voice 1: And his conclusion is that there will not be

[0:49:30] Voice 1: impact from a sustainable use of the well for the 49-person affordable housing development that is

[0:49:40] Voice 1: planned. That report will be final, I would say, within the next three or four days. And as soon

[0:49:48] Voice 1: as we get it, we'll, of course, forward it to Sonia Zupanek. In addition, there has been a

[0:49:58] Voice 1: wastewater assessment done and the uh the property is capable of supporting the the wastewater needs

[0:50:06] Voice 1: of the 49 person development as well and there is no conflict between uh the supply of water

[0:50:15] Voice 1: and the uh and the treatment of the wastewater on the um 1.05 hectare lot um and i think that's

[0:50:26] Voice 1: That's sort of all I need to report at this time.

[0:50:31] Voice 1: But as I say, both those reports will be in final form

[0:50:36] Voice 1: in planners' hands within the next five or six days.

[0:50:41] Trustee Fast: Wonderful. Thank you.

[0:50:42] Trustee Fast: We need them to go through our professional planning system

[0:50:47] Trustee Fast: so they can

[0:50:49] Trustee Fast: apply their expertise.

[0:50:50] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:50:51] Voice 1: Did

[0:50:52] Trustee Fast: you have anything you wanted to add? Go ahead.

[0:50:53] Trustee Fast: I

[0:50:54] Voice 1: just wanted to interject on the question of water license. Yeah, I spoke to a man called David Robinson in Flynnrod, and he suggested that with support from, for example, the local trust committee, the community, letters from CVRD, Daniel Arbour, people like this, that there was, he of course was being very, very careful in his words,

[0:51:21] Voice 1: but he suggested that they would take a stronger look at an affordable housing application for a

[0:51:27] Voice 1: license than, say, from a private individual or well. With regard to First Nations, there is also

[0:51:35] Voice 1: a First Nations referral that comes from the Ministry of Linrod, and that is another element

[0:51:42] Voice 1: which can sometimes cause, let's say, a little bit longer time to process than one might hope.

[0:51:50] Voice 1: so as soon as we have this uh water test and well uh well water test and impact assessment

[0:51:58] Voice 1: we intend to apply for a license and um uh and and and i might actually ask the local trust

[0:52:07] Voice 1: committee at some near time maybe even today if if they would be prepared to make a motion in

[0:52:14] Voice 1: in support of our application for a water license

[0:52:17] Voice 1: because we intend putting the water license application

[0:52:20] Voice 1: in in the next few days.

[0:52:22] Voice 1: Thank you for your time.

[0:52:25] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Mr. Palmer.

[0:52:26] Trustee Fast: And hearing that we're gonna have staff reports expected

[0:52:32] Trustee Fast: at our July meeting, we are anticipating that

[0:52:35] Trustee Fast: and that staff haven't seen these yet.

[0:52:38] Trustee Fast: I think maybe we'll hold off on a decision until July.

[0:52:42] Trustee Fast: I'm seeing nobody.

[0:52:44] Trustee Fast: somebody okay and uh so thank you mr palmer and uh we'll move on now uh with our meeting unless

[0:52:51] Trustee Fast: there's any more comments about this topic okay we're going to leave the um uh 9.1 with the

[0:52:59] Trustee Fast: question mark beside it i'm sorry with a check mark beside it and um we're going to move on to

[0:53:04] Trustee Fast: 10 local trust committee projects none today and correspondents we've got a number of correspondents

[0:53:10] Trustee Fast: um letters that have come to the local trust committee are there any here that uh the trust

[0:53:17] Trustee Fast: committee would wish to speak to today uh trustee bushaken i can't hear

[0:53:29] Trustee Busheikin: you sorry the one from

[0:53:34] Trustee Busheikin: peter stockdale um i just yeah like i i would defer to david critchley because you're much

[0:53:40] Trustee Busheikin: more involved with the bain sound forum is this the kind of thing that should be forwarded to them

[0:53:46] Trustee Busheikin: them just sent out to them and or put on an agenda at some point um what do you think

[0:53:55] Trustee Busheikin: yeah so there is

[0:53:58] Trustee Critchley: uh within the bain sound forum um structure such as it is that may be overstating

[0:54:06] Trustee Critchley: uh how formal it is but we do have a subcommittee a group that is working on um

[0:54:15] Trustee Critchley: I've just forgotten the name of the actual subgroup,

[0:54:19] Trustee Critchley: but it's to do with sort of innovation on gear

[0:54:23] Trustee Critchley: and looking at, especially trying to reduce

[0:54:27] Trustee Critchley: the amount of plastics or the wear and tear of plastic.

[0:54:31] Trustee Critchley: So it's right up their alley.

[0:54:32] Trustee Critchley: And I was thinking I would pass this along

[0:54:35] Trustee Critchley: to the chair of that subgroup for them to consider

[0:54:39] Trustee Critchley: because, and I'd like to thank this man

[0:54:43] Trustee Critchley: for his submission there i mean it was very thorough and it it opens the eyes to the different

[0:54:51] Trustee Critchley: types of of uh rope substances that are available and clearly the the one that's being used right

[0:54:59] Trustee Critchley: now is is the cheapest and um probably the worst to be to be using for the environment in terms of

[0:55:06] Trustee Critchley: its durability and and uh exposure to sun and so forth the deterioration so yeah i'll pass that

[0:55:15] Trustee Critchley: along i don't think we need any particular resolution unless you want to pass on earth

[0:55:20] Trustee Critchley: i

[0:55:20] Trustee Busheikin: think it's okay and will you just let him know that you've done that like i think if someone's

[0:55:24] Trustee Busheikin: put so much work into something it's nice to let them know that it's gone gone somewhere

[0:55:29] Trustee Critchley: yes i will thank

[0:55:31] Trustee Busheikin: you great yeah that sounds wonderful i yeah it is it was quite um quite

[0:55:35] Trustee Busheikin: an impressive amount of work and um yeah clearly has

[0:55:39] Trustee Busheikin: yeah thought it through that's

[0:55:42] Trustee Fast: right he's um

[0:55:43] Trustee Fast: uh this is from peter stockdale and he's writing on behalf of the uh council of bc yacht clubs so

[0:55:51] Trustee Fast: um boulder's obviously out there on the marine uh territory for a long time and uh what he's done

[0:55:58] Trustee Fast: just for members of the public who might be watching is um if you read this it's on uh page

[0:56:03] Trustee Fast: page uh 37 to 54 of our agenda and he's uh identified the polypropylene rope um that

[0:56:13] Trustee Fast: holds things together as one of the weak points in the system that should be addressed first

[0:56:18] Trustee Fast: and uh i wondered you know if we wanted to recommend some kind of uh and this might be

[0:56:24] Trustee Fast: perfect for bane sound you know but the kind of uh checking into or confirming the relationship

[0:56:31] Trustee Fast: between the use of polypropylene rope and the quantity of shellfish aquaculture gear debris

[0:56:36] Trustee Fast: that ends up on the shores of Denman Island. And so that's great. Trustee Critchley, you've got his

[0:56:43] Trustee Fast: email, I think. And if you don't let me know, but I that sounds perfect, actually, because it is

[0:56:53] Trustee Fast: all Bain sound. Okay. Thank you. So

[0:56:56] Trustee Fast: that's sort of an action item, isn't it? Go ahead.

[0:56:58] Trustee Critchley: yeah um if we're finished with that one i did want to just comment on the others which are relating

[0:57:05] Trustee Critchley: to potential solutions uh to ameliorate affordable housing issues um i'd like to thank the people who

[0:57:15] Trustee Critchley: took the time to express their views on that i did read these carefully and i'm sure we'll be

[0:57:21] Trustee Critchley: discussing it more with uh trustee beshaken's uh item there but i just wanted to thank the people

[0:57:27] Trustee Critchley: who wrote and put the thought and put, I was going to say pen to paper, but that's

[0:57:33] Trustee Critchley: very unfashionable these days.

[0:57:37] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you very much, Trustee Critchley. Go ahead,

[0:57:40] Trustee Fast: Trustee Bershaken.

[0:57:42] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, I want to just second that. And I actually didn't respond to these.

[0:57:47] Trustee Busheikin: I just thought, well, we'll talk about them at the meeting, but I'm going to just send a

[0:57:50] Trustee Busheikin: personal response to each. And it definitely gives me a lot to think about. It gives us a

[0:57:58] Trustee Busheikin: a lot to think about um and uh you know i think they've you know they've touched on what the most

[0:58:07] Trustee Busheikin: sort of let's say the lowest hanging fruit is or the the first uh thing to look at in terms of

[0:58:16] Trustee Busheikin: you know changing our regulations would be secondary dwellings so uh it is part of a bigger

[0:58:22] Trustee Busheikin: discussion, but I will just send each a personal note and anyone else is welcome to do that.

[0:58:32] Trustee Busheikin: And then

[0:58:32] Voice 1: just while I'm here, I

[0:58:33] Trustee Busheikin: mentioned that the letter from Dixie Hunt Scott that

[0:58:35] Trustee Busheikin: didn't show up but is listed was, and again for anyone listening, this letter, Dixie's

[0:58:46] Trustee Busheikin: engaged in Indigenous cultural revitalization and language learning. She's a Kwakwaka'wakw

[0:58:53] Trustee Busheikin: member and living on Denman and needs to do all of that by internet and has terrible internet

[0:58:59] Trustee Busheikin: where she lives and she was just bringing that to our attention and really linking internet access

[0:59:05] Trustee Busheikin: to reconciliation in remote island communities. So I actually forwarded that to the internet

[0:59:12] Trustee Busheikin: internet committee, like the community committee, it's not an Islands Trust thing, and to,

[0:59:22] Trustee Busheikin: I think to Islands Trust Chair Peter Lockham and to Lisa, our senior intergovernmental policy

[0:59:29] Trustee Busheikin: advisor who works on Indigenous issues, because it, at first I was like, whoa, whoa, but then I

[0:59:34] Trustee Busheikin: thought, yeah, those things are really connected, and, you know, on an island like us, there's not

[0:59:40] Trustee Busheikin: a lot of Indigenous people there's not like the Comox people don't none of them live here anymore

[0:59:45] Trustee Busheikin: and so it's lonely and if you're trying to reconnect your culture

[0:59:49] Trustee Busheikin: and learn your language and get engaged as an Indigenous person in reconciliation you actually

[0:59:53] Trustee Busheikin: really really need the internet especially in a pandemic when you can't travel to gatherings.

[1:00:00] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Yeah. And I would invite Dixie, if you're watching this, to refer to the 8.2 page 26 of the agenda, which is our letter in support of the connected coast, which is better internet and faster internet to the island.

[1:00:20] Trustee Fast: So we do work on things like that as they come into our land relationship planning realm of the work that we do.

[1:00:30] Trustee Fast: And I remember at the beginning of COVID, when we were meeting on, I think it was Salt Spring, at Trust Council, when the pandemic was announced from the World Health Organization,

[1:00:42] Trustee Fast: organization i was um chatting with some people from salt spring saying about imagine people are

[1:00:48] Trustee Fast: going to be uh driving in to outside of libraries and places with public wi-fi so that they can uh

[1:00:56] Trustee Fast: do their work and do meetings and that's what she's talking about in her uh letter so there we

[1:01:03] Trustee Fast: are it was a a drive-in internet situation and i'm glad there is some public internet that people can

[1:01:10] Trustee Fast: can find and use so okay thank you for that and we'll move on now to 12.1 this is the advisory

[1:01:21] Trustee Fast: planning commission appointments and we're on page 56 now of the agenda so

[1:01:31] Planner Zupanec: your apc terms expired

[1:01:33] Planner Zupanec: on may 1st and we would encourage you to consider this opportunity today to direct us to thank those

[1:01:41] Planner Zupanec: members for their term participation and indicate whether they would like to be reappointed

[1:01:48] Planner Zupanec: and also um let's see did we not ask for advertising

[1:01:55] Planner Zupanec: i

[1:01:56] Voice 6: think

[1:02:04] Planner Zupanec: we also need the resolution for advertising for new members which is missing

[1:02:08] Planner Zupanec: from this recommendation so um yeah that would be great because you do have some significant

[1:02:15] Planner Zupanec: applications coming up as well as potential project work that would benefit from that

[1:02:20] Planner Zupanec: advisory group and uh the information and your current apc bylaw are attached in this report

[1:02:27] Planner Zupanec: so i would just add the recommendation be split into two would likely be cleaner this one plus

[1:02:34] Planner Zupanec: uh a new one for the appointments or advertising sorry

[1:02:39] Trustee Fast: advertising for new members very good um

[1:02:43] Trustee Fast: Trustees, would somebody like to make the recommendations?

[1:02:48] Trustee Critchley: Sure.

[1:02:49] Trustee Critchley: I'm happy to make,

[1:02:50] Trustee Critchley: I'll make the move

[1:02:52] Trustee Critchley: that the Denman on Local Trust Committee

[1:02:54] Trustee Critchley: request that staff send letters

[1:02:56] Trustee Critchley: to members of the Advisory Planning Commission

[1:02:58] Trustee Critchley: whose terms expire on May 1, 2021,

[1:03:01] Trustee Critchley: inviting their expressions of interest

[1:03:03] Trustee Critchley: for reappointment to the Advisory Planning Commission

[1:03:05] Trustee Critchley: and thanking them for their participation.

[1:03:09] Trustee Fast: I will second that.

[1:03:11] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:03:11] Trustee Fast: so we've got a motion moved and seconded uh uh any questions for the planner or uh discussion

[1:03:19] Voice 6: no

[1:03:20] Trustee Fast: okay thank you then let's call the question all those in favor

[1:03:24] Trustee Fast: hi hi thank you that's three hands up i'm saying this for the minute taker in the background in

[1:03:30] Trustee Fast: case she's not seeing the video or to make sure the minutes can be clear and uh is there a second

[1:03:36] Trustee Fast: recommendation then about um advertising for new members sure

[1:03:42] Trustee Critchley: i'll i can move that the demina local

[1:03:44] Trustee Critchley: trust committee uh request staff to um conduct advertising uh to fill the vacancies on the

[1:03:56] Trustee Critchley: advisory planning commission thank

[1:03:59] Trustee Fast: you and uh seconder second thank you uh any discussion

[1:04:04] Trustee Fast: question nice and clear thank you uh all those in favor aye aye aye three eyes three hands up thank

[1:04:14] Trustee Fast: you that passes both of those and uh thank you very much any members of the apc who are

[1:04:19] Trustee Fast: um uh doing these important roles for us i know they come up uh upon the the timing can not be

[1:04:28] Trustee Fast: uh uh even and sometimes there's big gaps and so i appreciate people for um uh standing by really

[1:04:37] Trustee Fast: and uh and putting in this important work thank you and um so uh going on then we're into the

[1:04:43] Trustee Fast: report section uh 13.1 is the trust conservancy report um the agenda says none but i'll refer you

[1:04:52] Trustee Fast: to section 16.3 of the agenda where i've put in the um heron newsletter this is the newsletter of

[1:04:59] Trustee Fast: the islands trust conservancy and uh you can get more uh update from that and this is something

[1:05:08] Trustee Fast: that people can subscribe to online as well so they're in the loop but uh the main features of

[1:05:13] Trustee Fast: this is that we're now um we've got a uh new kind of um approach in underway and you'll see that

[1:05:22] Trustee Fast: reflected in the uh design and the um and the communication style of the heron newsletter

[1:05:28] Trustee Fast: um 30 nature reserves in 30 years and that's our big story we're really proud of that i'm on the

[1:05:35] Trustee Fast: board of that by the way and um uh and also there's a nice graph in there that will show you

[1:05:40] Trustee Fast: the rise through time of the oh thank you Sonia yes one of the pages shows a graph with

[1:05:49] Trustee Fast: the rise of the nature reserves over the 30 years and the 76 conservation covenants and some of

[1:05:57] Trustee Fast: those will also allow a tax decrease a tax incentive so if you're interested in both

[1:06:07] Trustee Fast: both meeting your dreams for protecting land and perhaps bringing your tax bill

[1:06:14] Trustee Fast: down. Please talk to the Islands Trust Conservancy, anybody out there.

[1:06:18] Trustee Fast: But also there's a nice interview with Kate Emmings at the beginning.

[1:06:23] Trustee Fast: Kate is our manager.

[1:06:24] Trustee Fast: And so that'll give you a little bit of a picture of the of the department and

[1:06:29] Trustee Fast: the work that it's doing. And I wanted,

[1:06:31] Trustee Fast: and there's other good stuff in there too, like about the sharp-tailed snake,

[1:06:34] Trustee Fast: make which i'm not that familiar with um but uh the island's trust conservancy is also it's the

[1:06:40] Trustee Fast: other arm of the island's trust and uh through the policy statement work they're coming a little

[1:06:46] Trustee Fast: closer together so the uh the two arms of the island's trust can support each other in

[1:06:51] Trustee Fast: preserving and protecting so this is bringing the science and the conservation of uh uh reserves or

[1:06:58] Trustee Fast: Think of them as core nature areas into the idea of sustainability of the whole island and nature and people living together in a sustainable way, preserving and protecting the Islands Trust area through time.

[1:07:15] Trustee Fast: so um for everybody and so the including nature anyway so they're involved in the policy statement

[1:07:22] Trustee Fast: work as well uh and stress conservancy staff and uh and they're offering uh the possibility of their

[1:07:29] Trustee Fast: um science-based planning uh system which i can't remember the name of at the moment

[1:07:35] Trustee Fast: um but uh watch the honest trust policy statement review process to find out more about that so i'm

[1:07:43] Trustee Fast: I'm just, that's my little report

[1:07:44] Trustee Fast: about the Analyst Trust Conservancy.

[1:07:46] Trustee Fast: And let's move on now to, unless there's questions.

[1:07:50] Voice 2: I just

[1:07:51] Trustee Busheikin: have a comment.

[1:07:52] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, I mean, I could do it later.

[1:07:53] Trustee Busheikin: I just wanted to say how impressed I was

[1:07:56] Trustee Busheikin: by the Heron newsletter and the graphic design

[1:08:02] Trustee Busheikin: and the stories and the way it's presented.

[1:08:04] Trustee Busheikin: You've got some really good communications staff.

[1:08:06] Trustee Busheikin: And so thank you.

[1:08:08] Trustee Busheikin: And I liked that it was on the agenda.

[1:08:10] Trustee Busheikin: And I would suggest that perhaps

[1:08:12] Trustee Busheikin: perhaps with the heron being, you know, very comprehensive, I mean, it really gives you an

[1:08:17] Trustee Busheikin: idea of what's going on. You know, maybe if it's a lot of extra work for the trust conservancy staff

[1:08:22] Trustee Busheikin: to do this report, which is just for trustees, maybe it could be put aside, and we could just

[1:08:28] Trustee Busheikin: have the heron show up on our, our agendas and in our packages, because I just I know that writing

[1:08:35] Trustee Busheikin: reports just takes time. And, and I will be honest, I skim those reports, I look for what's

[1:08:41] Trustee Busheikin: on denman um so i well i have interest in what's going on elsewhere it is true and you learn by

[1:08:47] Trustee Busheikin: other islands but just knowing how busy staff are it's just just an idea thank

[1:08:52] Trustee Fast: you i wondered if a

[1:08:53] Trustee Fast: comment like that might come um because there's so much communications uh expertise and design

[1:08:59] Trustee Fast: that go into the heron why not uh make it all that more readable um for everybody else and uh

[1:09:06] Trustee Fast: So I'll take that back.

[1:09:10] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[1:09:10] Trustee Fast: Did you have a question, a comment?

[1:09:13] Trustee Fast: Trustee Critchley, what do you think?

[1:09:15] Trustee Critchley: Yeah, I think that's a great idea.

[1:09:18] Trustee Critchley: The other thing I wanted to mention was that the first draft of the Trust Policy Statement revision can be found within the Trust Programs Committee agenda package.

[1:09:32] Voice 6: And

[1:09:32] Trustee Critchley: there's some great information there.

[1:09:34] Trustee Critchley: In fact, one that opened my eyes a little bit, I thought I knew a lot, was the statement that the trust area is home to an exceptional variety of rare and culturally significant species, including over 100 federally listed and over 300 provincially listed species at risk.

[1:09:56] Trustee Critchley: You know, that's, you know, that captures a lot when we're talking about conservation and the need for conservation on these islands.

[1:10:06] Trustee Critchley: uh yeah so anyway just wanted to draw attention to that little factoid yes

[1:10:11] Trustee Fast: i think that's a great

[1:10:12] Trustee Fast: suggestion is people can go to the it was yesterday the meeting of the trust programs committee

[1:10:17] Trustee Fast: and in there you'll find that first draft with language like this and i think the whole process

[1:10:22] Trustee Fast: is helping to bring those uh key points up to the top so they're visible well the rest of us when

[1:10:28] Trustee Fast: we're walking and cycling and driving around the islands we may not see these species at risk but

[1:10:33] Trustee Fast: but that doesn't mean they're not right there waiting to be protected.

[1:10:38] Trustee Fast: And the heron can help us highlight that as well.

[1:10:44] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[1:10:45] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[1:10:46] Trustee Fast: I'll take that suggestion back.

[1:10:47] Trustee Fast: And now to the applications report.

[1:10:51] Trustee Fast: So this is page 61 to 67.

[1:10:55] Trustee Fast: And I'm wondering if trustees have questions for the planner.

[1:11:01] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Boushekin.

[1:11:03] Trustee Fast: can yeah

[1:11:04] Trustee Busheikin: just um briefly um where is the land trust association pepper lane application in

[1:11:12] Trustee Busheikin: its process or what's going on with it right now sure

[1:11:16] Planner Zupanec: so the executive committee approved

[1:11:20] Planner Zupanec: the bylaws they've been forwarded to the minister so we have a bit of a wait

[1:11:25] Planner Zupanec: while we determine how long it will take for the ministerial process to approve and in the meantime

[1:11:30] Planner Zupanec: time that gives staff an opportunity to address a number of issues that the board has raised with

[1:11:39] Planner Zupanec: the covenant and the housing agreement for changes that need to be presented back to the local trust

[1:11:46] Planner Zupanec: committee so it's nothing that you haven't already heard about but they are changes nevertheless

[1:11:55] Planner Zupanec: the less to the wording of both those documents that we need to vet and prepare for your

[1:12:01] Planner Zupanec: consideration so that will be for your july meeting as well so that july meeting is going

[1:12:07] Planner Zupanec: to be a significant agenda with both both those applications moving forward

[1:12:15] Trustee Fast: very good thank you

[1:12:18] Trustee Fast: i'll start getting ready now yeah um it's good to have a heads up like that sometimes these

[1:12:25] Trustee Fast: meetings are sort of like uh all kinds of things going on and sometimes we're catching up as we're

[1:12:35] Trustee Fast: staff are doing the work okay thank you any more questions for the planner

[1:12:43] Trustee Fast: i'm not seeing any more so thank you very much uh planners zupanets and we'll move on now to um

[1:12:50] Trustee Fast: uh trustee and local expense report page 68 um anybody got questions about this or

[1:12:57] Trustee Fast: or it looks very simple there, whoops, let's move on.

[1:13:09] Trustee Fast: Adopted policies and standing resolutions,

[1:13:12] Trustee Fast: more for our and the public to review 6973 and refer to,

[1:13:21] Trustee Fast: and you can see them all there,

[1:13:25] Trustee Fast: including the last one, number nine,

[1:13:27] Trustee Fast: is the March 16th standing resolution

[1:13:32] Trustee Fast: that I read out at the beginning of the meeting.

[1:13:34] Trustee Fast: so it's there for everybody's reference anybody need to say anything about these

[1:13:39] Trustee Fast: seeing nothing we're going on to um local trust committee web page 69 73

[1:13:49] Trustee Fast: oops oh i've got my page numbers mixed up i'm sorry never mind we're we're uh breaking into

[1:14:05] Trustee Fast: i'm looking at the wrong page numbers we're um coming into a new uh phase of um the islands

[1:14:11] Trustee Fast: trust website so keep an eye on uh your um uh denman local trust committee pages there

[1:14:18] Trustee Fast: at the new website and uh please refer any comments trustees to um uh web comments i think

[1:14:25] Trustee Fast: it's called at islandstrust.bc.ca so it goes to the team that are looking at the at the web

[1:14:32] Trustee Fast: um i have been looking at it that's where i brought forward that the bit about um uh

[1:14:38] Trustee Fast: share your views this is uh remember our public participation uh guidelines um these uh were also

[1:14:47] Trustee Fast: passed similar ones were passed also at hornby and gambier uh the three local trust committees

[1:14:53] Trustee Fast: that i chair and um so they've made their way into the website for everybody if you look under

[1:15:00] Trustee Fast: contact us or um as a way for everybody to share their views they're starting to be more of an

[1:15:05] Trustee Fast: an invitation for the public to be involved through the website. So I'm just flagging that

[1:15:10] Trustee Fast: for you. And you might take a look at that. And then going on now projects. Oops. Where are we

[1:15:22] Trustee Fast: at with time 1116. So let's just continue through we're ahead of time. And we're on top priorities

[1:15:31] Trustee Fast: I think. And Laura, this is where we might discuss your discussion paper. This is something that Trustee Bushekin sent in late. Did you get a copy of this, Sonia?

[1:15:46] Planner Zupanec: Yes, I'm just going to pull it up.

[1:15:48] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you. And I've forwarded it to Will Cottingham and to Vicki Bachmann for the minutes. So I imagine they'll make their way into the public record.

[1:15:59] Trustee Fast: um and uh now we're on page 74 of our agenda starting on pay yeah page 74 so this is the

[1:16:15] Trustee Fast: top priorities currently are these two and uh and laura would you like to um take begin the

[1:16:23] Trustee Busheikin: discussion yeah thanks i mean because you guys know i've been a real broken record uh and i

[1:16:31] Trustee Busheikin: I think David Critchley has joined me in, um, voicing my, um, frustration that, you

[1:16:37] Trustee Busheikin: know, there, this structure of how Demmon sets up his resources has just not worked

[1:16:44] Trustee Busheikin: to, well, has not supported Demmon Island being able to move ahead with long-term planning

[1:16:52] Trustee Busheikin: projects for the past three years, I would say.

[1:16:54] Trustee Busheikin: And, um, uh, you know, and I just want to flag up front that, um, maybe this conversation

[1:17:02] Trustee Busheikin: could be difficult for staff that it really isn't about a complaint about staff they're working very

[1:17:07] Trustee Busheikin: very hard it's simply that we would need more staff to get done what we what we i think need

[1:17:13] Trustee Busheikin: to do as a planning authority um and i think that i think the next budget discussion is going to be

[1:17:20] Trustee Busheikin: interesting because i am going to be advocating for more money stuff yeah we also lose staff when

[1:17:25] Trustee Busheikin: they're under too much pressure and are kind of too many things at once and then that turnover is

[1:17:30] Trustee Busheikin: is not good for the for us getting our work done um and just generally not good so um yeah i i've

[1:17:38] Trustee Busheikin: been working on this for so long and it really at one point it was longer it had lists of all

[1:17:43] Trustee Busheikin: the different housing documentation we've done and the forum reports and then i kind of thought

[1:17:51] Trustee Busheikin: well it was like nine pages at one point and i cut it down um and really it comes down there's

[1:17:58] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, it comes down to decisions, like, do we want to focus just on housing? Because what I'm

[1:18:04] Trustee Busheikin: suggesting here is a housing and home occupation focus for a targeted OCP LUB review. And there

[1:18:13] Trustee Busheikin: is this overlap between them that I think we're seeing can get very confusing. And there's

[1:18:18] Trustee Busheikin: politics around the overlap between them and discussions about how, in terms of visitor

[1:18:26] Trustee Busheikin: accommodation specifically and does having more visitor accommodation impact housing availability

[1:18:31] Trustee Busheikin: and how to how to mitigate that or how to minimize that is a big question so in some ways it makes

[1:18:36] Trustee Busheikin: sense to talk about them both together and i think we're seeing that uh just even technically our

[1:18:42] Trustee Busheikin: regulations around visitor accommodation are um need review and uh so that's important but for me

[1:18:51] Trustee Busheikin: the big questions are do we want to do uh this which would be a major targeted review do we want

[1:18:57] Trustee Busheikin: to do a full-on ocpl review where like we start with a maybe a committee and a planner and you

[1:19:03] Trustee Busheikin: read the whole thing and you put little ticks beside everything that needs to be reviewed which

[1:19:08] Trustee Busheikin: i think we're due for but i'm scared of that because i think it could be so slow and so

[1:19:13] Trustee Busheikin: difficult to get the resources that it would take so long and be overwhelming um do we target even

[1:19:18] Trustee Busheikin: Even more, I mean, we had letters on the agenda this week saying specifically focus on secondary suites and dwellings.

[1:19:25] Trustee Busheikin: Well, we had a delegation at our last meeting say, no, it's time for a comprehensive OCP LUB review of housing, which is what the petition said.

[1:19:35] Trustee Busheikin: So these are the questions that, you know, are up for discussion.

[1:19:40] Trustee Busheikin: And then how, but then the big question is, how do we make this happen?

[1:19:46] Trustee Busheikin: And how do we want to do it?

[1:19:48] Trustee Busheikin: And I, you know, I've had discussions with planners, with our, with Julia Mobs, who's head of the financial, she's financial officer with, you know, Director Marler with CAO Hudson Pillar about how to get this done.

[1:20:05] Trustee Busheikin: done. And even with Josie Osborne, and so I, I've laid out on the last page, I mean, those are the

[1:20:12] Trustee Busheikin: questions, the finding resources. And the last page and a half are really the main questions.

[1:20:18] Trustee Busheikin: The one thing I didn't list in finding resources actually to do a special tax requisition,

[1:20:23] Trustee Busheikin: which means you ask the people of Benman to pay for this as a special project, which is not

[1:20:30] Trustee Busheikin: unheard of. And this is actually something I guess someone else I talked to director

[1:20:33] Trustee Busheikin: Director Frater suggested that we at least look at as an option.

[1:20:39] Trustee Busheikin: And just she really said you can wait so long to get the resources that this if the community wants to do it, they they can do it this way.

[1:20:48] Trustee Busheikin: But I would like to look for in-house resources from our overall budget before I consider that.

[1:20:55] Trustee Busheikin: um so like what i would suggest is if if everyone agrees on the fourth page part way through i'm

[1:21:04] Trustee Busheikin: getting this done and then i have decisions and then i have that on the next page finding

[1:21:10] Trustee Busheikin: resources that we could look at those decision questions or any others that come up get a sense

[1:21:16] Trustee Busheikin: of where this would go um talk a bit about what we think are the best strategies for finding the

[1:21:23] Trustee Busheikin: the resources. And then from I had further email correspondence with Heather Carr, our regional

[1:21:31] Trustee Busheikin: planning manager and turn that off. And she said, really, if we want to get this going through

[1:21:38] Trustee Busheikin: financial planning committee for the next budget, which it's, it's a long process, we need to put

[1:21:44] Trustee Busheikin: an agenda forward today to ask staff to work on a business case is just an iterative, slow process.

[1:21:49] Trustee Busheikin: that's how our budget works and although it seems funny that gosh we've got to start in May

[1:21:55] Trustee Busheikin: to get it into the next March budget you know we need to be careful and we have a lot to talk

[1:22:02] Trustee Busheikin: about it's an eight million dollar budget and that's just how it works it is really complex

[1:22:06] Trustee Busheikin: and things go forward with due process and yeah and then I guess the last thing to add is really

[1:22:13] Trustee Busheikin: a lot of what's behind this really was inspiration taken from what I felt was the audacious move on

[1:22:22] Trustee Busheikin: Salt Spring to put in a budget request for a very large amount of money to hire consultants to get a

[1:22:28] Trustee Busheikin: really major housing review done on their island. That I'd never seen that happen before. I always

[1:22:34] Trustee Busheikin: thought our budget requests need to be small and I'm sure we will not be the only people inspired

[1:22:40] Trustee Busheikin: inspired by that and that again I think will make for some interesting budget discussions

[1:22:44] Trustee Busheikin: as LTCs may very many of them may be bringing forward bigger um bigger requests because this

[1:22:51] Trustee Busheikin: is not um even if we separated housing and didn't do home occupations um it's not going to be a

[1:22:59] Trustee Busheikin: small budget um because it probably would require consultants for at least part of it so that is my

[1:23:06] Trustee Busheikin: my preamble.

[1:23:09] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, Trustee Boucher. And I'm looking at page 74, which is our top

[1:23:16] Trustee Fast: priorities now. So you're this would be fitting into number two, the LUB

[1:23:22] Trustee Busheikin: review? Yes. Yes. Okay,

[1:23:25] Trustee Busheikin: exactly. That's exactly what it's fitting into. I just have to get a charger, but I'm still

[1:23:30] Trustee Busheikin: listening. Okay.

[1:23:34] Trustee Fast: Thank you. So I'm, I'm hearing here's Heather, I was thinking you might show up,

[1:23:40] Trustee Fast: I saw you in the panelist list there, and we'll just wait for Laura to come back.

[1:23:46] Trustee Busheikin: I'm right beside you.

[1:23:48] Trustee Busheikin: Oh, okay.

[1:23:50] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Heather.

[1:23:51] Trustee Fast: Did you want to say anything at this point, or would you like to?

[1:23:53] Trustee Fast: David, do you want to speak to this?

[1:23:55] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee.

[1:23:57] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:24:01] Trustee Critchley: So, first of all, kudos to Trustee Bershaken for taking the time and mental energy to put this together.

[1:24:08] Trustee Critchley: It's a terrific piece of work.

[1:24:09] Trustee Critchley: Thank you very much.

[1:24:10] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[1:24:11] Trustee Critchley: And I think the community thanks you, too.

[1:24:14] Trustee Critchley: My first thoughts on this are that we need to be very targeted on essentially an affordable housing piece.

[1:24:27] Trustee Critchley: And I think that going into a complete OCP review, it's not a good time for that in the sense that when I was looking at the revisions to the trust policy statement that are proposed, there's a lot of new things, you know, directive policies that in their official community plans, local trust committees shall have this and that and the other thing in there.

[1:24:54] Trustee Critchley: So I think that the trust policy statement will mandate review, essentially, or if it doesn't mandate review by all the LTCs, at least the next review will include a number of different elements which are not presently in there.

[1:25:15] Trustee Critchley: And there'll be a lot of community discussion about these things.

[1:25:18] Trustee Critchley: I think the affordable housing issue is such a pressing matter and is of concern to so many people that we should be targeting that alone.

[1:25:30] Trustee Critchley: And off the top, I would say my feeling, my strong view is that it's going to have to be an outside consultant to carry the ball on this.

[1:25:42] Trustee Critchley: and from from what i've seen we've sort of tried whipping the horses in-house and uh you know with

[1:25:52] Trustee Critchley: with very limited success in getting things speeded up and in saying that i don't want to

[1:25:57] Trustee Critchley: make any criticism of staff because they they serve not just denman but the whole northern

[1:26:05] Trustee Critchley: region of the trust and uh there's a lot of projects underway and there's more in the hopper

[1:26:12] Trustee Critchley: I just saw this alarming statistic that came through just a couple of days ago on the number

[1:26:18] Trustee Critchley: of new applications in the trust area. And it is amazing. So it's not going to get better

[1:26:28] Trustee Critchley: anytime soon. We must hire a consultant. Now, I think what we need to know from staff is

[1:26:34] Trustee Critchley: roughly how much is that going to cost? Because I really don't have an idea whether it's,

[1:26:40] Trustee Critchley: You know, is it $25,000? Is it $125,000? Yeah. And how do we pay for it as far as a special requisition or just a regular budget, sorry, a special requisition in the normal budgeting process of Islands Trust?

[1:27:01] Trustee Critchley: trust, or is it a requisition from the taxpayers of Denman Island? That would certainly be a bit

[1:27:08] Trustee Critchley: of a mind-blowing experience for Denman taxpayers. I don't know.

[1:27:21] Trustee Critchley: I can't really predict how that

[1:27:23] Trustee Critchley: would turn out. I'll have my video off here, see if that helps.

[1:27:25] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Yeah. And if you could

[1:27:29] Trustee Critchley: sentence

[1:27:29] Trustee Busheikin: that began it would be a mind-blowing experience for because i actually wanted to hear

[1:27:34] Trustee Busheikin: the ending i think for everyone involved

[1:27:36] Trustee Critchley: yes for for the uh taxpayers of denman island to

[1:27:44] Trustee Critchley: receive this you know special requisition on their tax notice and uh you know are we going to be

[1:27:50] Trustee Critchley: really poking the bear with that one uh and cause you know a lot of division in the community like

[1:27:57] Trustee Critchley: Like, you know, I hate these divisions.

[1:28:01] Trustee Critchley: I really do.

[1:28:02] Trustee Critchley: And, you know, I know people with good intentions tend to promote them, perhaps inadvertently.

[1:28:13] Trustee Critchley: But it's very sad when we get people at odds on this very basic thing about housing.

[1:28:19] Trustee Critchley: I do feel that well I would like to know from staff also in addition to getting a very rough

[1:28:27] Trustee Critchley: and ready estimate guesstimate of the amount involved just how this process would work in

[1:28:36] Trustee Critchley: terms of would we need to make a decision relatively soon about how we proceeded

[1:28:43] Trustee Critchley: to seek the funding because if we're seeking it through the normal budgeting process of

[1:28:49] Trustee Critchley: Islands Trust, will the timing be such that it would preclude us from then, if we didn't get that,

[1:28:57] Trustee Critchley: switching horses and seeking the special requisition of Denman taxpayers? I'm not

[1:29:03] Trustee Critchley: quite sure how all that works. And, you know, the idea of planning something now for just getting

[1:29:09] Trustee Critchley: the funds available in March of next year is a little daunting and off-putting. And I can see,

[1:29:16] Trustee Critchley: you know people setting their hair on fire uh just about that measure of delay so if we had

[1:29:23] Trustee Critchley: you know yet another year of delay because we chose the wrong course um in the quest for funding

[1:29:30] Trustee Critchley: that would be almost disastrous uh anyway so those are some of the kind of off the top oh i did want

[1:29:38] Trustee Critchley: to mention i don't think the salt spring requisition was for housing i think it was for

[1:29:42] Trustee Critchley: for their uh downtown ganges sort of revitalization project as i recall if i could

[1:29:50] Trustee Busheikin: just there was actually two and it was the big one was this the ganges revitalization but then

[1:29:55] Trustee Busheikin: they had another one for housing that i think was more in the 25 to

[1:30:00] Trustee Busheikin: 45 000 that got added on at the very last minute i was at financial planning committee and i voted

[1:30:04] Trustee Busheikin: against it which was upsetting but it just came in so last minute and they'd already gotten that

[1:30:10] Trustee Busheikin: ganges one and i'm like like but we need that money or other other anyway so they did there is

[1:30:19] Trustee Busheikin: in our currently past budget there is quite a big chunk of money for a second major project on

[1:30:24] Trustee Busheikin: Salisbury. I mean, they, you know, I'm not complaining exactly. I mean, I'm not finger

[1:30:30] Trustee Busheikin: pointing because I, in the end, I ended up voting in favor because they have 10,000 people, they

[1:30:37] Trustee Busheikin: contribute a lot of tax money. And both of those were just so absolutely necessary. You could just

[1:30:43] Trustee Busheikin: see it.

[1:30:45] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Boucherkin. And I can go

[1:30:48] Trustee Fast: ahead, Trustee Critchley.

[1:30:50] Trustee Critchley: Yeah, I just wanted

[1:30:51] Trustee Critchley: to continue on a bit and i'll shut the video off and so the other thought that comes to mind is

[1:30:58] Trustee Critchley: and this plays to a constant theme of mine that um we have these built-in inefficiencies

[1:31:09] Trustee Critchley: in the trust because we have 13 different jurisdictions and everybody has to reinvent

[1:31:19] Trustee Critchley: invent the wheel each time it kind of drives me crazy but we we have so much inefficiency in that

[1:31:26] Trustee Critchley: and to to my mind affordable housing is an issue throughout the trust area and and yes there may

[1:31:36] Trustee Critchley: be different circumstances there may be different circumstances on different islands of course

[1:31:42] Trustee Critchley: course. But broadly speaking, I think a lot of the work to be done on this would have trust-wide

[1:31:49] Trustee Critchley: application. And I'm thinking that we should be maybe pressuring the trust to be funding a

[1:31:59] Trustee Critchley: trust-wide type of thing. I know we've done workshops on affordable housing and all this

[1:32:05] Trustee Critchley: this kind of thing. But really, what are the best ways of tackling affordable housing on these

[1:32:11] Trustee Critchley: islands? I've seen some things talking about in the urban context, for example, that the best way

[1:32:20] Trustee Critchley: is laneway housing, that, you know, get your best bang for the buck on that sort of thing. I'm not

[1:32:32] Trustee Critchley: I just wanted to comment too about initial reactions

[1:32:35] Trustee Critchley: to some of the suggestions that we've received already

[1:32:39] Trustee Critchley: about making very broad changes

[1:32:44] Trustee Critchley: and having everybody have the ability

[1:32:47] Trustee Critchley: to build a secondary dwelling on their property.

[1:32:52] Trustee Critchley: I don't favor that as a broad brush approach off the top.

[1:32:59] Trustee Critchley: um the one of the main problems i see with that is that yes you could create you could create a lot

[1:33:07] Trustee Critchley: of rental housing but would it be affordable i think not i mean i just crunched some numbers

[1:33:15] Trustee Critchley: myself and i'm i'm out of date with construction costs but just looking at these things uh if i

[1:33:23] Trustee Critchley: I gave somebody a chunk of property or designated it for another dwelling unit, I could not build it

[1:33:32] Trustee Critchley: and have an economic return. Never mind the dreaded profit element. I don't think I could

[1:33:41] Trustee Critchley: break even with it. When you're looking at providing a water source, a septic system,

[1:33:47] Trustee Critchley: system, hugely expensive in itself, etc. So those are some of my rambling thoughts off the top here

[1:33:57] Trustee Critchley: and maybe provide context for staff to give us some input now.

[1:34:03] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Critchley.

[1:34:05] Trustee Fast: I'm just going to chime in. I'm going to chime in a tiny bit to say Bowen Island, years ago now,

[1:34:12] Trustee Fast: several years ago previous term adopted this a second unit on most of the larger

[1:34:25] Trustee Fast: lots on Bowen apart from the very small ones and very little housing has been

[1:34:31] Trustee Fast: built because of the cost as you say David so it does it's no panacea that's

[1:34:37] Trustee Fast: for sure and I've got the news release here so I just wanted to read out a

[1:34:42] Trustee Fast: couple of figures compared to the honest trust five-year average in the first quarter of this

[1:34:46] Trustee Fast: year 2021 development applications more than doubled on salt spring and the rest of the

[1:34:52] Trustee Fast: southern islands applications went up 90 and 56 in the northern islands and that matches bowen as

[1:35:01] Trustee Fast: well and members of the public considering development applications are advised of long

[1:35:06] Trustee Fast: wait times and to ask for understanding and patience. Staff is working at maximum capacity.

[1:35:12] Trustee Fast: So these are figures coming in. We're tracking them. More applications and the same amount of

[1:35:22] Trustee Fast: staff. In fact, staff have been moved around so that we're making sure we've got some staff on

[1:35:26] Trustee Fast: regional projects. And so I'd invite you, Planning Manager Cowher, to speak now on how

[1:35:36] Trustee Fast: How can we best move forward on this priority?

[1:35:43] Voice 2: Yes, thanks.

[1:35:44] Voice 2: And I did read through it, too.

[1:35:46] Voice 2: And I have talked to Trustee Bishakin about this, too.

[1:35:53] Voice 2: I'll start with maybe the scope of the project.

[1:36:00] Voice 2: So the costs involved in it, I mean, the costs for the project depend on what you want to do with it.

[1:36:07] Voice 2: you know, and the scope of the project to some extent. So, you know, if you look at a project

[1:36:14] Voice 2: where we're updating the OCP or LUB, it's a bylaw amendment. Somebody has to provide you

[1:36:23] Voice 2: recommendations for changing the language to it, right? And that can be staff or it can be

[1:36:28] Voice 2: consultants. And the truth is that that work is actually not a lot of work. You know, actually

[1:36:36] Voice 2: amending the bylaw the physical mental work involved in that um it's it's more work the more

[1:36:43] Voice 2: you want to cover you know um but in truth um staff have the capacity and experience and skills

[1:36:50] Voice 2: to do that work and could can you pause pause for a sec just because we've

[1:36:56] Trustee Fast: just lost uh trustee

[1:36:57] Trustee Fast: right and um from the meeting so um let's just wait because this is her issue that she brought

[1:37:06] Trustee Fast: brought up we're speaking to her materials um well she's gone I'll just say um we're at 20 minutes

[1:37:12] Trustee Fast: until noon so hopefully um we'll we can uh complete this meeting and then break for lunch and come

[1:37:20] Trustee Fast: back to the closed meeting or something like that so just something to keep in mind and uh

[1:37:25] Trustee Fast: Will Cottingham can you see if you can find Laura again oh here she comes there she comes again

[1:37:32] Trustee Fast: okay thank you Laura we just paused um and uh can you hear us yeah

[1:37:39] Trustee Busheikin: I can hear you if you can

[1:37:40] Trustee Busheikin: pause just a moment I'm gonna switch to phone audio because we usually once this starts happening

[1:37:45] Trustee Busheikin: it doesn't stop okay yeah um and that'll just take me a minute so okay um and then that way

[1:37:54] Trustee Busheikin: if I disappear I'm still here because I'll be on the phone and I can actually turn my audio off the

[1:38:02] Trustee Busheikin: the way david does and just um in fact why don't i turn my audio off right now um you know the

[1:38:10] Trustee Busheikin: internet

[1:38:10] Trustee Fast: thank you because you had disappeared completely and uh so we'll just pass the floor

[1:38:16] Trustee Fast: back to heather heather if you want to continue there okay depending

[1:38:20] Trustee Fast: on what we wanted to do with

[1:38:21] Trustee Fast: it or something are

[1:38:22] Voice 2: you ready trustee bush again

[1:38:24] Trustee Busheikin: not really i need to concentrate on typing in

[1:38:27] Trustee Busheikin: little numbers thanks but i'll let you know it won't take long i hope just

[1:38:34] Trustee Fast: for anybody watching

[1:38:35] Trustee Fast: we're um getting towards the end of the meeting but starting to have technical difficulties

[1:38:40] Trustee Fast: and um and we still have a uh number of items before us and a closed meeting to follow but

[1:38:47] Trustee Fast: we're going to take a lunch break in there somewhere so i'm waiting for reconnecting

[1:38:52] Trustee Fast: with trustee beshakin let us know when you're ready can

[1:38:59] Trustee Busheikin: you hear me yes okay i'm gonna get

[1:39:03] Trustee Busheikin: a headset because it said if i would be muted throughout the meeting i didn't like that but um

[1:39:08] Trustee Busheikin: hang on by

[1:39:11] Trustee Fast: this point in the in the covid journey many of us have various technical

[1:39:18] Trustee Fast: uh options that we go running and getting different pieces of equipment don't we

[1:39:26] Trustee Fast: did i

[1:39:27] Trustee Critchley: hear i just mentioned something go ahead

[1:39:29] Trustee Critchley: just for the sake of trustee be shaken there

[1:39:32] Trustee Critchley: I tried using headphones the other day when I was actually in transit and I was in a meeting.

[1:39:40] Trustee Critchley: As a passenger, I might be bad, but I tried using headphones and they wouldn't work.

[1:39:45] Trustee Critchley: And I thought, what the heck is going on?

[1:39:48] Trustee Critchley: You know, I was on a battery, battery powered instead of being plugged in.

[1:39:51] Trustee Critchley: But I found that, in fact, there is a little icon beside your mute button, which allows you to switch over from your, at least on my computer, from the internal speakers to outside speakers or headphones.

[1:40:10] Trustee Critchley: So once I hit that, that worked perfectly.

[1:40:13] Trustee Critchley: So if Laura encounters that problem, there's the solution, maybe.

[1:40:17] Trustee Critchley: be it's

[1:40:20] Trustee Fast: interesting now i'm seeing laura boshaken's um a camera icon but no mic

[1:40:27] Trustee Fast: and i don't see her coming in by phone yet i

[1:40:34] Voice 7: think it's because she's i think this is her

[1:40:37] Voice 7: listed by phone in the attendee list i can

[1:40:41] Voice 7: mark it as allowed to talk and see if that

[1:40:45] Voice 7: that makes it work so she can speak to us.

[1:40:49] Trustee Fast: Testing, testing.

[1:40:51] Trustee Fast: I think it's star nine or, oh, gosh.

[1:40:55] Voice 5: Can you hear me now?

[1:40:56] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[1:40:57] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:40:57] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[1:40:58] Trustee Fast: Thank you for your patience.

[1:41:00] Trustee Fast: No, that's great.

[1:41:01] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:41:02] Trustee Fast: We're glad to have you all connected.

[1:41:03] Trustee Fast: And I'll pass the floor back to Heather then.

[1:41:09] Voice 2: So as I was saying, amending a bylaw,

[1:41:14] Voice 2: the work involved in amending a bylaw,

[1:41:16] Voice 2: the actual changing of words and drafting something is not a lot of work I mean it

[1:41:23] Voice 2: depends on the topic and in this but so for these projects and the costs involved in them

[1:41:30] Voice 2: the costs are really about the public engagement and what you want to do around that and so

[1:41:38] Voice 2: depending and depending on the timelines of that depending on the types of engagement you want to

[1:41:44] Voice 2: to do and a skill set of existing staff to be able to implement those kinds of public engagement

[1:41:50] Voice 2: activities. Those are kind of the factors. For, you know, we've been talking about minor projects,

[1:41:58] Voice 2: which the Northern Office can do and can resource. And a minor project that includes a bylaw

[1:42:04] Voice 2: amendment would include regulatorily, that's a bad word, statutorily required public engagement.

[1:42:13] Voice 2: That is the referral period after first reading and the public hearing.

[1:42:19] Voice 2: Those two things are requirements of any bylaw amendment and they're built in.

[1:42:25] Voice 2: And the way that we do referrals, there is a 60-day period.

[1:42:29] Voice 2: So a minor project would have to include those two things and those two timelines, the timelines around those, and the budgets for advertising those things.

[1:42:41] Voice 2: So the public hearing advertising is actually your biggest, for a minor project, that's actually your biggest ticket item is advertising the public hearing.

[1:42:51] Voice 2: And then if you want to do some sort of legal review.

[1:42:56] Voice 2: So those are kind of the baseline costs of a project that is staffed by Islands Trust and a basic timeline.

[1:43:05] Voice 2: timeline. Within that 60-day referral period, you could have a community survey being done at the

[1:43:13] Voice 2: same time, if that's what you want to do. You know, you could say, we're going to do a 60-day

[1:43:18] Voice 2: period of community engagement, and we're going to do these multiple things. And each of those

[1:43:23] Voice 2: things could have a cost associated with them or not. You know, we, Islands Trust has a Survey

[1:43:28] Voice 2: Monkey license. It's free for us to use it. It's a great program because it actually walks staff

[1:43:36] Voice 2: through developing certain kinds of surveys. So there are ways to minimize the costs and time

[1:43:43] Voice 2: and have staff do all of this. The problem is that there are multiple projects with multiple LTCs.

[1:43:50] Voice 2: And so if you want to get something done sooner than later, absolutely having a consultant do it

[1:43:56] Voice 2: is an option. And consultants cost on average about $150 an hour for their labor. So most of

[1:44:05] Voice 2: the contract that you're spending on a consultant is their labor. And it is going to be in the tens

[1:44:11] Voice 2: of thousands of dollars, depending on what you want to have them do. If, you know, you have the

[1:44:18] Voice 2: option of having the consultant just do the public engagement aspect of it, you know, they can design

[1:44:24] Voice 2: it and implement it, for instance, while staff is doing the work of drafting and processing

[1:44:31] Voice 2: the amendments. Or you could have a consultant do the whole thing. And of course, it's going to

[1:44:38] Voice 2: cost more to do the whole thing. So, you know, having worked for other local governments in BC,

[1:44:45] Voice 2: doing a major amendment to an OCP, for instance, is somewhere in the $40,000 to $75,000 range.

[1:44:54] Voice 2: And again, it's because of you're paying for labor

[1:44:59] Voice 2: and robust public engagement.

[1:45:05] Voice 2: So that, I just kind of want to frame it like that.

[1:45:08] Voice 2: That's kind of what we're talking about.

[1:45:10] Voice 2: And so I also kind of want to say this that,

[1:45:17] Voice 2: so, well, let me back up.

[1:45:19] Voice 2: So in terms of budget, asking for tens of thousands

[1:45:22] Voice 2: of dollars, as Trustee Beshaken said,

[1:45:24] Voice 2: said, would likely mean you do a business case, you take the business case to the financial

[1:45:29] Voice 2: planning committee, and that business case would spell that out. We want staff to do this part of

[1:45:35] Voice 2: the project, and we want consultants to do this part of the project. We think it's going to cost

[1:45:41] Voice 2: this amount of money. And what I've heard from Julia and talking to her about it, Julia, our

[1:45:48] Voice 2: finance director is that you take that business case to trust counsel and if they pass it great

[1:45:56] Voice 2: and if they don't then your last resort if you will is a tax requisition so you have the option

[1:46:03] Voice 2: of moving forward with that not that you couldn't just move forward with that initially if you

[1:46:08] Voice 2: wanted to but there's staffing implications for a tax requisition too and SWPA on Salt

[1:46:15] Voice 1: Spring is an

[1:46:15] Voice 1: an

[1:46:15] Voice 2: example of that. Staff have to manage that project and manage the communications around it

[1:46:24] Voice 2: and all of that too. So it's an ongoing project. So in terms of affordable housing, I just wanted

[1:46:33] Voice 2: to point that, say something about that too. I agree. Like if trust, if Islands Trust,

[1:46:40] Voice 2: like the regional planning committee and the new regional planning team actually did a toolkit

[1:46:46] Voice 2: kit, if you will, and for affordable housing, it would likely have many elements in it that

[1:46:54] Voice 2: apply to all of the trust areas, you know, recommendations about how to amend your OCPs

[1:47:03] Voice 2: and LUBs, policies that you should have in your OCPs, zoning, you know, clustered housing and

[1:47:09] Voice 2: secondary suites. And, you know, there's affordable housing is an array of things. It's not one thing,

[1:47:16] Voice 2: it's multiple things and so which ones of those things do you um or the you know there'd be a

[1:47:23] Voice 2: list here's the toolkit here's a list of things you can do and then it comes to the local trust

[1:47:28] Voice 2: committee so that makes that does make a lot of sense but you know um depending on the urgency

[1:47:35] Voice 2: for the denman ltc who knows when that will happen or when the rpc will take that up or

[1:47:40] Voice 2: or whatever it is, right?

[1:47:41] Voice 2: It's all about timing and urgency for you

[1:47:45] Voice 2: and what you want to do with that.

[1:47:49] Voice 2: All right, so I think that's addressing

[1:47:52] Voice 2: some of the things I heard,

[1:47:53] Voice 2: but I'm glad to answer any more questions, okay?

[1:47:57] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:47:58] Voice 5: And this is Laura and I would like to speak

[1:48:01] Voice 5: when it's my turn.

[1:48:03] Voice 5: Just a second,

[1:48:04] Trustee Fast: I'm gonna go to Trustee Critchley first

[1:48:07] Trustee Fast: and thank you, Laura, for speaking up

[1:48:08] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:48:08] Trustee Fast: because we've lost your image again.

[1:48:11] Trustee Fast: I've lost

[1:48:12] Trustee Fast: your image too.

[1:48:13] Voice 5: My

[1:48:13] Trustee Fast: internet's gone crazily bad.

[1:48:16] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[1:48:17] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:48:17] Trustee Fast: So, Trustee Critchley, questions for the planning?

[1:48:22] Trustee Critchley: Yeah.

[1:48:23] Trustee Critchley: Well, thank you for that information.

[1:48:27] Trustee Critchley: That is very, very helpful.

[1:48:29] Trustee Critchley: One thing that I'm wondering about off the top is we do have, I think,

[1:48:35] Trustee Critchley: existing affordable housing toolkits.

[1:48:39] Trustee Critchley: But, you know, there's not like a magic thing where you take out a tool and affordable housing appears.

[1:48:45] Trustee Critchley: So I'm sorry to be flippant about it, but, you know, I haven't found it tremendously helpful.

[1:48:54] Trustee Critchley: But what I think would be very helpful would be to know, to bring together the collective experience of the various islands planners on what is perceived to work to create affordable housing.

[1:49:14] Trustee Critchley: And, you know, rather than just these things that might possibly work, in which I don't think have much prospect of really working, and to which our chair has added her voice of confirmation regarding the Bowen experience, what I am seeing, you know, there's this idea of, yeah, just give everybody the right to build.

[1:49:36] Trustee Critchley: i just don't see that working because of we'd need a way of policing to make it make sure it

[1:49:45] Trustee Critchley: was an affordable rent so you know how do you do that you'd have to have a housing authority

[1:49:51] Trustee Critchley: presumably you'd have the private landowner leasing to the housing authority the housing

[1:49:58] Trustee Critchley: authority would have a contract of lease or tenancy with a tenant, would be responsible for

[1:50:07] Trustee Critchley: collecting rents, would be responsible for fixing the rents at an affordable rate and all that sort

[1:50:12] Trustee Critchley: of thing. So I see it as being very complex and cumbersome and very unlikely to be taken up by

[1:50:19] Trustee Critchley: private citizens. So I see then we are left with this, and you know, I mean, tell me if I'm wrong

[1:50:27] Trustee Critchley: any any time um or show me i'm wrong but um i'm i'm seeing that we just are left really with

[1:50:34] Trustee Critchley: the the model of having um groups societies such as uh mr palmers or dclta come forward

[1:50:46] Trustee Critchley: you know concerned citizens uh generous people uh donating land uh public funding

[1:50:55] Trustee Critchley: through province federal funds, but getting some organization which brings us together and

[1:51:02] Trustee Critchley: creates affordable housing in some sort of clustered manner, whether it's five units or

[1:51:08] Trustee Critchley: 20 units. It's something like that. And it's funded largely by public

[1:51:17] Trustee Critchley: public monies or i should say um through tax tax monies and i just don't see

[1:51:24] Trustee Critchley: really a variance from that but uh anyway i'd be pleased to hear what your thoughts are on that

[1:51:34] Trustee Critchley: um and whether the staff could put together um uh from various sources maybe off island

[1:51:44] Trustee Critchley: funds away from the trust area as well as trust area experience of what works i mean i've heard

[1:51:50] Trustee Critchley: this this thing it's a bit of an urban legend about you know laneway housing work works well

[1:51:56] Trustee Critchley: how how does it work and what rents does it work um you know i think that needs needs some analysis

[1:52:03] Trustee Critchley: before we go charging off down this road and you know give everybody the right to build a second

[1:52:09] Trustee Critchley: and dwelling on every parcel

[1:52:11] Trustee Critchley: or on every parcel that meets a certain minimum size

[1:52:13] Trustee Critchley: or et cetera, et cetera.

[1:52:15] Trustee Critchley: I think we need information on really what works

[1:52:18] Trustee Critchley: and how can we go about getting that?

[1:52:20] Trustee Critchley: I mean, we could give you, I suppose,

[1:52:22] Trustee Critchley: we asked staff to produce a report

[1:52:25] Trustee Critchley: of what works in the trust area and elsewhere

[1:52:30] Trustee Critchley: in terms of strategies

[1:52:31] Trustee Critchley: to actually get affordable housing built.

[1:52:35] Trustee Fast: And what works today.

[1:52:37] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Planner Cowher.

[1:52:38] Trustee Fast: or sorry manager yeah i

[1:52:43] Voice 2: i really hear you on that um uh and i will say this too that

[1:52:50] Voice 2: um you know we we've been working with um a fetus uh local trust area to define their next project

[1:52:58] Voice 2: um which they they started they know generally they want to do something with shoreline protection

[1:53:03] Voice 2: But they haven't, they haven't really, they don't really know the, don't really fully understand the context. And so they've actually asked staff to provide a discussion paper that does kind of analyze the existing tools and the capacity of Islands Trust to do something about the problems associated with it.

[1:53:28] Voice 2: And essentially, I mean, as Trustee Patrick sort of defines it, is having a discussion about the problem statement.

[1:53:37] Voice 2: You know, what is the problem you're trying to solve?

[1:53:39] Voice 2: And what is this trust body's ability to affect change to that and solve that problem?

[1:53:48] Voice 2: But there should start with an agreement on what the problem is and move forward.

[1:53:54] Voice 2: And I do think that it's helpful to have analysis first to define that problem.

[1:54:02] Voice 2: So that is what Thetis is doing.

[1:54:04] Voice 2: They're having staff start with sort of a phase.

[1:54:06] Voice 2: They're calling it a phase one of shoreline project, which is gathering data and providing analysis.

[1:54:14] Trustee Fast: That's an interesting approach.

[1:54:16] Trustee Fast: I'm going to ask Laura Patrick.

[1:54:20] Trustee Fast: Laura Beshaken, Trustee Beshaken, would you like to speak?

[1:54:24] Voice 5: Yeah, thanks.

[1:54:25] Voice 5: Yeah, this is, I mean, it's a great discussion and it's a really complex discussion.

[1:54:34] Voice 5: I agree with David Cushy.

[1:54:37] Voice 5: There is a document called the Islands Trust Affordable Housing Toolkit.

[1:54:40] Voice 5: It's from 2011.

[1:54:43] Voice 5: And then there's various documents that came out of what was local planning committee last

[1:54:50] Voice 5: last uh term uh towards the end of the term and recommendations some of which are in our strategic

[1:54:56] Voice 5: plan and it's work that regional planning committee is doing uh and i looked at all of those when i

[1:55:02] Voice 5: created my my five-page discussion paper and um so i don't you know but it is there's a couple

[1:55:12] Voice 5: things is yeah well there's tools but what are the pros and cons of those tools uh what are the

[1:55:19] Voice 5: unforeseen possible consequences what and what works is such a good question and um

[1:55:25] Voice 5: I mean I've spent and when I became a trustee which was something like 11 years ago um uh

[1:55:34] Voice 5: I came in with a strong interest in affordable housing having recently completed a affordable

[1:55:40] Voice 5: housing rezoning um as an applicant and I've been asking ever since then what works like I

[1:55:47] Voice 5: I asked trustees when we sit down and have lunch together, like we used to,

[1:55:51] Voice 5: and now I've told them out like, so, you know, what,

[1:55:55] Voice 5: like you guys have secondary dwellings. You've allowed those for,

[1:55:59] Voice 5: for a decade. Do they help with affordable housing? Like, does it help?

[1:56:03] Voice 5: Doesn't it help? And I have not found any definitive answers.

[1:56:06] Voice 5: It's extremely frustrating because we're supposed to do evidence-based work.

[1:56:11] Voice 5: And it's,

[1:56:12] Voice 5: and it's very hard to have evidence on that because there's so many factors.

[1:56:16] Voice 5: So, you could say, well, let's look at five communities that allow secondary cottages and five that don't. But there's, they can, you know, you can't have double blind studies. Like, there's so many other factors at play from the local economy and the type of government and the location and the history and the demographics.

[1:56:40] Voice 5: graphics. It just, it is very hard to know. I would love to know, but I also, I'm a little

[1:56:48] Voice 5: leery of going, taking a, you know, slowing down and saying we're going to do analysis and data.

[1:56:55] Voice 5: Like we have done data, like we have so many reports and we had a housing forum last term

[1:57:02] Voice 5: and there's a report on the forum and there was a report created before the forum to inform the

[1:57:06] Voice 5: forum. And that's all really good. Like I've looked at all of that. I've looked at all of it

[1:57:12] Voice 5: many times. And we have a housing needs assessment that is a lot of data and there's analysis with

[1:57:19] Voice 5: it. It's great. I think the piece of what really works and how to do it best to minimize the sort

[1:57:27] Voice 5: of unforeseen circumstances is the big question, but I don't know if we're going to ever get that

[1:57:32] Voice 5: answer. So, I mean, ultimately, I just think I would really like to see this happen in the next

[1:57:42] Voice 5: fiscal year or to see us do our damnedest to make it happen in the next fiscal year. So I would like

[1:57:48] Voice 5: to get working on a business case. And I think we have to do it now to get to, you know, have

[1:57:59] Voice 5: something happen in the next fiscal year. And I agree. I mean, with, you know, comments I've heard

[1:58:05] Voice 5: that just saying, okay, everyone can have a secondary dwelling

[1:58:09] Voice 5: or a secondary suite, I don't really think that's an answer.

[1:58:15] Voice 5: And maybe in the short term, like there's illegal places

[1:58:18] Voice 5: that could become legal.

[1:58:19] Voice 5: There might be some studios and outbuildings that can be repurposed.

[1:58:23] Voice 5: But it's not going to – people aren't going to start building a lot of,

[1:58:27] Voice 5: like David said, I mean, the cost effectiveness isn't there.

[1:58:30] Voice 5: And in the long term, if people are building or renovating

[1:58:33] Voice 5: to create nice little cottages in the short term they might be doing it because they want to provide

[1:58:37] Voice 5: rental housing that's affordable but properties change hands and people's situations change and

[1:58:43] Voice 5: what you're getting in the long term is actually gentrification because now you've got all these

[1:58:48] Voice 5: houses with nice little cottages and when they go on the market they're going to cost more

[1:58:51] Voice 5: and then there's going to be you know possible pressure to subdivide so it's long term short

[1:58:57] Voice 5: term but there might be tools we can look at whether it's the new ability to have a rental

[1:59:02] Voice 5: housing zone and I have asked this question I don't know if there's an answer if housing

[1:59:07] Voice 5: agreements can be used on an individual property owner basis so that yes you can build a secondary

[1:59:13] Voice 5: cottage but you need to rent it and you need to have a template housing agreement setting the

[1:59:17] Voice 5: rent at a certain amount that you would just simply need to sign a statutory declaration

[1:59:22] Voice 5: every year that you're following that it wouldn't be something that would be very bureaucratic but

[1:59:29] Voice 5: but it would be required.

[1:59:33] Voice 5: So those are just my thoughts.

[1:59:36] Voice 5: You're now going in multiple directions.

[1:59:37] Voice 5: Just one more thing I wanted to say.

[1:59:39] Voice 5: I just made some notes while people were talking,

[1:59:41] Voice 5: and this is not in any particular order.

[1:59:42] Voice 5: The consultation is really, really tricky

[1:59:45] Voice 5: because, I mean, unfortunately,

[1:59:47] Voice 5: the milieu on Denman is extremely polarized.

[1:59:51] Voice 5: And as I sit here,

[1:59:53] Voice 5: I'm getting notifications from people

[1:59:55] Voice 5: telling me that I'm just being called a hypocrite

[1:59:58] Voice 5: on Facebook by...

[2:00:00] Voice 5: local commentator on housing uh who's been very um vocal and um vociferous and i would say um

[2:00:09] Voice 5: perhaps bullying is not an exaggeration on facebook um around housing and um people have

[2:00:18] Voice 5: removed themselves from the discussion and um like it's just very heated right now and there's

[2:00:25] Voice 5: some nastiness going on and um i i you know i i have people tell me like they wouldn't say a word

[2:00:31] Voice 5: about housing on denman right now they wouldn't want to come to a meeting and talk about it because

[2:00:34] Voice 5: you just get called names so it's like okay if we're gonna have public consultation we probably

[2:00:39] Voice 5: really need an expert in and they do exist in managing these uh heated situations um to uh

[2:00:48] Voice 5: be able to hear from everyone so um because yeah yeah and and just one more thing about the

[2:00:54] Voice 5: the consultation, although I mean, part of me is just like, I think we could figure out what to do

[2:00:57] Voice 5: and we don't have to have tons. The whole issue of density on Denman has been so integral to any

[2:01:03] Voice 5: discussions and any OCP reviews and LUB reviews. And there are many people on Denman that have put

[2:01:11] Voice 5: a lot of time into being part of Islands Trust public discussions who have always, always

[2:01:18] Voice 5: always cautioned taking care with densities. And, you know, and I've seen, I mean, actual housing

[2:01:26] Voice 5: has been discussed multiple times, since I've gotten to Denman by the LTC and reviewed, and

[2:01:32] Voice 5: it's always been difficult, but I wouldn't want those people to be left out of the discussion. So

[2:01:36] Voice 5: I think we, I do think, and I think it would be better not to have trust staff, but to have an

[2:01:41] Voice 5: an outside consultant do the consultation because of the currently extremely heated

[2:01:48] Voice 5: and it's heated and it's full of misinformation and just, yeah, like I said, some nastiness.

[2:01:58] Voice 5: So it's, we are in a really, it's a very challenging thing before us.

[2:02:04] Voice 5: But I just could conclude, like what I guess I'd like to do is to ask staff to create a

[2:02:09] Voice 5: business case uh working looking at having a consultant at least for the consultation

[2:02:16] Voice 5: um and to carry on a dialogue with local with the local trust committee over the next couple

[2:02:22] Voice 5: months is that building business case is being built where we can work through some of these

[2:02:27] Voice 5: questions and if we want we can go and look at all the the toolkits and the documents and um

[2:02:34] Voice 5: you know, part of it, I mean, if anyone can find any, like, studies, evidence-based studies about

[2:02:40] Voice 5: what works and what doesn't, that would be great. But yeah, I just, I think, hard though it is,

[2:02:48] Voice 5: I think we just, we do need to go ahead and start building a business case and get it to

[2:02:53] Voice 5: the Financial Planning Committee in September, because if they're not willing to consider it

[2:02:59] Voice 5: for the budget that's when we would have to look at the tax requisition and i agree with that

[2:03:04] Voice 5: trustee christie's comments i don't i think it would it could be very polarizing and that's

[2:03:10] Voice 5: more polarizing it's a

[2:03:11] Voice 5: not a good start and um yeah so and i do think that it should come from

[2:03:20] Voice 5: the honest check budget generally okay

[2:03:22] Trustee Fast: thank you laura um i'm just going to say a couple of words

[2:03:26] Trustee Fast: um here i'm hearing business case at least uh for consultant for the for consultation

[2:03:35] Trustee Fast: including a consultant for at least the consultation uh aiming for fpc that's financial

[2:03:41] Trustee Fast: planning committee in september oh hi there you're back um hi i just wanted to bring up a

[2:03:48] Trustee Fast: another approach that i'm interested in and it has to do a little bit with the trust policy

[2:03:55] Trustee Fast: And that is housing is not just about providing homes. There's also all the clearing and the changes and infrastructure that happen with it. And some of them, housing is mansions. I'm starting to hear this word mentioned at different meetings.

[2:04:21] Trustee Fast: and uh the other word might be uh equality or um uh diversity or

[2:04:32] Trustee Fast: inclusion anyway i'm sorry i'm

[2:04:35] Trustee Fast: going on a bit too much but there's there's salt spring island has got a housing committee that's

[2:04:40] Trustee Fast: looking at uh sustainability through the lens of housing is how maybe i'm best thinking about it at

[2:04:46] Trustee Fast: the moment um not only looking at affordable housing but looking at the bigger issue of housing

[2:04:52] Trustee Fast: it's just offering it as another possibility um that might be more productive than just thinking

[2:04:59] Trustee Fast: about affordable housing which is uh such a challenge our housing costs keep going up i saw

[2:05:05] Trustee Fast: that the provincial government just um uh had um minister selena robinson has just brought in a

[2:05:13] Trustee Fast: a new tool, basically, so that you can go and look up and see who owns a property. Is it a

[2:05:21] Trustee Fast: corporation that's just holding on to it for speculative profit making? You know, these kinds

[2:05:27] Trustee Fast: of things are happening in our communities as well. And they're big drivers beyond local control,

[2:05:34] Trustee Fast: I think. And anyway, so I offered that other idea of looking at what that housing committee

[2:05:43] Trustee Fast: is doing in salt spring island um and laura patrick would be one to contact about that

[2:05:47] Trustee Fast: and um meanwhile we're at 1207 and i'm wondering if we want to break now until 12 30 give perhaps

[2:05:56] Trustee Fast: um trustee boucher can a chance to draft up her recommendation for the business case that she was

[2:06:02] Trustee Fast: speaking about um give everybody a chance to think about this a little bit and uh come back

[2:06:08] Trustee Fast: together at 12 35 what people think about that will that work trustee be shaken um yeah i like

[2:06:16] Voice 5: that i said one question before i do that and that's based on well what a comment quickly and

[2:06:21] Voice 5: a question is that that what you were just talking about so ellen i i agree that needs to be part of

[2:06:27] Voice 5: it because one of the things that holds back affordable housing is concerns about impact on

[2:06:33] Voice 5: the environment and the overall density of the island and um and that's important but then maybe

[2:06:38] Voice 5: Maybe we could be looking at all housing in terms of that and not just focusing on affordable housing.

[2:06:44] Voice 5: And if you look at my item number three in my list of possible in-scope topics, so that's a number of the pages, item number three on page two, I talk a bit about that.

[2:06:59] Voice 5: And I did do a submission to the Island Trust Policy Statement Review Committee that I don't know if I ever got to them where I talked more about that.

[2:07:06] Voice 5: And this idea of inclusion, diversity, and equity, seeing housing as a resource that we might need to limit the upper edges of. In other words, no one's going to get a 10,000-square-foot mansion in order to have a few more people get an 800-square-foot cottage kind of thing.

[2:07:25] Voice 5: um to so anyway i think that should be part of it but my question is if i'm going to put together a

[2:07:31] Voice 5: um uh emotion is uh we've been talking and this is really for for chesky spiritually and for you

[2:07:40] Voice 5: sue ellen we've been talking about housing the original this this five page i put forward had

[2:07:44] Voice 5: two topics for ocplub review the other one being home occupations um which would be primarily

[2:07:52] Voice 5: looking at visitor accommodation and then some possible temporary use permits it's my sense

[2:07:57] Voice 5: after this conversation that it's we should just focus on housing that a home occupations perhaps

[2:08:02] Voice 5: could be dealt with at some further point as a smaller project um and much of that is those are

[2:08:09] Voice 5: things that need to be done uh that housing isn't big enough of a topic so i thought can i just see

[2:08:18] Voice 5: Is this feeling I'm getting that there's consensus that we just do housing?

[2:08:22] Voice 5: Is that true?

[2:08:24] Voice 7: I'm nodding.

[2:08:25] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:08:26] Voice 5: Okay, good.

[2:08:27] Voice 5: All right, then let's have lunch and I'll put together.

[2:08:30] Voice 5: Or Heather and Sarah, would you like to suggest wording for a motion?

[2:08:38] Voice 2: I might be able to come up with something.

[2:08:40] Voice 2: Yeah.

[2:08:41] Trustee Fast: I'll let you talk.

[2:08:43] Trustee Fast: Let's come back then at 1240, give the full half hour,

[2:08:48] Trustee Fast: and we'll see what between you you come up with between then okay thank you then we're going to

[2:08:53] Trustee Fast: go on a lunch break for half an hour okay

[2:08:56] Voice 5: okay so can i have a it's a way that kevin and i can

[2:09:00] Voice 5: just stay here for a moment and have a private conversation

[2:09:02] Voice 7: i'll just

[2:09:03] Voice 2: we can't have a private

[2:09:06] Voice 2: conversation we can't have a private conversation because it's streaming and folks can still it's

[2:09:11] Voice 5: streaming i know it's funny well i mean it doesn't need to be private

[2:09:13] Voice 2: it's kind of funny to

[2:09:16] Voice 5: it's kind of funny to have it with like it's like a spectator thing right it's also

[2:09:21] Voice 5: yeah yeah i just think by the time i find off of this and phone you i just like maybe i'll just

[2:09:32] Voice 5: put something together and email you in the next 10 minutes i just want to get some food happening

[2:09:37] Voice 5: because i'm hungry yeah

[2:09:38] Trustee Fast: yes yes i know we need the blood sugar

[2:09:40] Trustee Fast: too right okay all right sounds

[2:09:42] Trustee Fast: sounds good

[2:09:42] Voice 5: everybody okay so I'll I'll send you it's going to be simple like asking staff to put

[2:09:48] Voice 5: together a business case and we'll take it from there okay

[2:09:51] Voice 2: okay sounds good

[2:09:53] Voice 5: okay good okay good

[2:10:08] Trustee Fast: Laura your mic is on hey Laura if you can hear me your mic is on Will Cottingham if you can hear me

[2:10:23] Trustee Fast: can you put on the screen that says we're on a lunch break and turn everybody's mics off

[2:10:27] Trustee Fast: yeah i'm

[2:10:29] Trustee Fast: doing that now and i've got it oh i see i've

[2:10:31] Voice 7: just muted uh i've just muted trusty

[2:10:34] Voice 7: buschenkin so very

[2:10:35] Trustee Fast: good we're on it okay thank you uh see you at after lunch yeah

[2:38:03] Trustee Fast: Good to see you there.

[2:38:07] Trustee Fast: Excuse me, I'm coughing.

[2:38:08] Trustee Fast: Good to be back.

[2:38:10] Planner Zupanec: I'm

[2:38:11] Voice 5: definitely here in the background.

[2:38:40] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:38:42] Let's see.

[2:38:49] Trustee Fast: There's Trustee Critchley.

[2:38:51] Trustee Fast: Okay, and I see that we're recording while it's blinking.

[2:38:58] Trustee Fast: Are we ready to go, Will Cottingham?

[2:39:03] Voice 7: Yeah, I believe so.

[2:39:04] Voice 7: I'm not 100% sure if Trustee Boucherkin is unmuted.

[2:39:09] Voice 7: Have you hit star six?

[2:39:12] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:39:14] Trustee Fast: okay i think did you do something will at your end to uh i muted

[2:39:23] Voice 7: her i muted her but now i've

[2:39:26] Voice 7: my only options are to ask her to unmute she has to which i've done i can try that again to see if

[2:39:33] Voice 7: that helps anything but thanks

[2:39:44] Trustee Fast: everybody tuning in maybe laura you want to uh uh hang up and phone

[2:39:49] Trustee Fast: in again can't hear you okay so if everybody could take another couple of minutes while um

[2:40:01] Trustee Fast: trustee was shaken signs in again so let's just wait till 12 43.

[2:40:12] Voice 6: okay can you hear me yay yes

[2:41:54] Voice 5: very good okay oh and i hear you okay i'll even try being here visibly and if i disappear i can

[2:42:01] Voice 5: i'm still on the phone okay thank

[2:42:05] Trustee Fast: you for your patience and support no that's great we're all

[2:42:08] Trustee Fast: dealing with technical issues thank heavens we have these technical issues to deal with

[2:42:13] Trustee Fast: otherwise we would have been without meetings for a year so no truth

[2:42:18] Trustee Fast: um thank you and welcome back

[2:42:20] Trustee Fast: to the uh denman island local trust committee meeting after we took a lunch break we're on item

[2:42:27] Trustee Fast: 14.1 on our uh agenda so this is page 74 for those following and uh we're coming into a

[2:42:38] Trustee Fast: well we're coming back into a discussion about top priorities and so uh trustee boucher and i

[2:42:45] Trustee Fast: think you've been working on something did you want to take it over sure it's a little bit long

[2:42:49] Voice 5: but I've sent it to the minute taker so Vicki I sent you it in the chat and I will move that

[2:43:00] Voice 5: the Denman Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to prepare a business case for a comprehensive

[2:43:06] Voice 5: review of the Denman Island land use bylaw and official community plan focusing on housing

[2:43:11] Voice 5: with the goal of increasing options for affordable and attainable housing while also minimizing

[2:43:17] Voice 5: and impacts of housing generally to better protect the environment while supporting equity,

[2:43:22] Voice 5: diversity, and inclusion. Is that what I said? I changed it a bit. And that this business case

[2:43:28] Voice 5: include the use of a consultant for all or part of the work.

[2:43:34] Trustee Fast: Very good. Thank you for that. And

[2:43:37] Trustee Fast: Planning Manager Cowher, did you see this? Or did you have any comments about this? Okay.

[2:43:42] Trustee Fast: Very good. Trustee Critchley, what do you think?

[2:43:45] Trustee Critchley: I'll second that. But I would like to speak

[2:43:49] Trustee Critchley: to it and ask a question of planning manager car, I'm primarily interested in, well, first of all,

[2:44:01] Trustee Critchley: let me express my concerns about this being the only strategy, if that's it, is that it's well

[2:44:08] Trustee Critchley: well down the road. And yes, I think we can go on that process. But I also would like to

[2:44:24] Trustee Critchley: have a parallel system of looking at what we could do, because here we're going to be asking

[2:44:30] Trustee Critchley: for funds of business case to basically review things, but we don't really know where we're

[2:44:35] Trustee Critchley: going or don't even have a map of the potential destinations. So what I would like to do also

[2:44:46] Trustee Critchley: is, and I can put this into a future motion, but to follow up on this, the suggestion of a

[2:44:55] Trustee Critchley: discussion paper to look at the various options that would help us and particularly focusing on

[2:45:05] Trustee Critchley: on things that have worked or are seen to have worked

[2:45:09] Trustee Critchley: or be working within the trust area as well as elsewhere.

[2:45:14] Trustee Critchley: So if we had this business case thing

[2:45:17] Trustee Critchley: and we're looking down the future to get funding

[2:45:19] Trustee Critchley: for some project or other,

[2:45:24] Trustee Critchley: Planning Manager Cowher, would this inhibit us

[2:45:27] Trustee Critchley: from actually also asking you to prepare a discussion paper?

[2:45:32] Trustee Critchley: paper?

[2:45:35] Voice 2: It wouldn't prohibit it. I imagine that a discussion paper would be something you'd start

[2:45:42] Voice 2: with this project anyway. But if you wanted a discussion paper before we got to this project

[2:45:47] Voice 2: and the actual funding of it, I think it's something we could do. Depending on the scope

[2:45:56] Voice 2: of the discussion paper, it may be a project that you have to add to your projects list. But

[2:46:02] Voice 2: But if it's really just a collection of gathering some information that we already have into a memo, let's say, that would take a few hours of Googling, you know, then I think we could do that.

[2:46:18] Voice 2: And I think we could do it without putting it on a project list and just put it on the FUAL.

[2:46:25] Trustee Critchley: Yeah. And I'm thinking of, you know, consulting within the trust amongst other planners in different islands.

[2:46:31] Trustee Critchley: and of course you will have a grasp of what's going on in the northern region but yeah my main

[2:46:35] Trustee Critchley: concern with the the motion or the it presumes a path that we're on then which is in the fairly

[2:46:43] Trustee Critchley: distant future and wouldn't result in really anything any changes for a period of what I'm

[2:46:51] Trustee Critchley: going to guess you know a year and a half two years before we see anything happen and I know

[2:47:00] Trustee Critchley: know, we're being prodded to try and do things quicker. And I'd like to not give up the possibility

[2:47:06] Trustee Critchley: of being able to do something quicker. So I'm really very, you know, if I had a choice between

[2:47:12] Trustee Critchley: the two things to do, I would be wanting to see the discussion paper first. But if we could run

[2:47:18] Trustee Critchley: them in parallel, I'm, you know, I'd be delighted with that.

[2:47:25] Trustee Fast: I'll just say a few words. It seems to

[2:47:27] Trustee Fast: to me that they they could inform each other uh or the um discussion paper i mean could inform the

[2:47:32] Trustee Fast: business case might be part of it or included or an appendix too and um i uh oh i had one of the

[2:47:43] Trustee Fast: thought but anyway it's gone oh i know um trustee boucher can any chance you could put that motion

[2:47:49] Trustee Fast: draft motion into the chat or somewhere where i can see it because it's a little oh yeah i just i

[2:47:56] Trustee Fast: I sent it just

[2:47:56] Voice 5: to Vicki, so let me just see if I can copy it.

[2:48:00] Voice 5: Yep, and I'll now send it to everyone.

[2:48:04] Voice 2: There we go.

[2:48:05] Voice 2: If you

[2:48:06] Voice 2: hadn't changed it at all, I could share screen on mine too because I have.

[2:48:10] Voice 5: I added the word draft and I added the word inclusion, but I just did send it to the chat.

[2:48:17] Trustee Fast: So

[2:48:17] Voice 5: anybody watching

[2:48:18] Trustee Fast: who's logged in could see it in the chat, but they wouldn't see it on the screen.

[2:48:24] Trustee Fast: Just the

[2:48:24] Voice 5: panelists, I think not, but we don't have any members of the public here right now, although people could. So the only difference here then is that up at the top by business case is draft. I thought I wanted to have draft. Very first line, maybe I forgot to put it in. So there we go. And I see a typo in the word to.

[2:48:49] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[2:48:51] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:48:52] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:48:52] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much. I just want to make sure everybody can, including us, including me

[2:48:57] Trustee Fast: with my very rough notes from trying to catch them while you spoke. Thank you.

[2:49:03] Trustee Critchley: Could I ask a

[2:49:04] Trustee Critchley: question?

[2:49:05] Trustee Fast: Yeah, go ahead, David Critchley.

[2:49:07] Trustee Critchley: Thank you. So what I'm concerned about here is the

[2:49:12] Trustee Critchley: actual intent, because I'm seeing the word comprehensive in regard to the review, but then

[2:49:18] Trustee Critchley: then it goes on to talk about planning or focusing on, on housing.

[2:49:24] Trustee Critchley: And so should comprehensive come out of there?

[2:49:30] Voice 5: Yeah, that's fine. What I wanted to get,

[2:49:33] Voice 5: but I think it's clear is that we're not going to just pick one element of

[2:49:37] Voice 5: housing. We're not just going to look at secondary suites.

[2:49:40] Voice 5: Like we're going to try and wrap our head around it in a,

[2:49:43] Voice 5: in a more larger context way. But I think that's very clear.

[2:49:47] Voice 5: i

[2:49:49] Trustee Fast: think it's clear because it says the goal with the goal of increasing options for attainable

[2:49:54] Trustee Fast: housing yeah while also minimizing if impacts okay yeah good okay that's what i got it um

[2:50:02] Trustee Fast: very good any more discussion go ahead trustee it's

[2:50:07] Voice 5: maybe not specific to this um motion but i

[2:50:10] Voice 5: i like trustee critchley's idea of working in a parallel way with on a discussion paper and

[2:50:17] Voice 5: And I just will say that this discussion paper I created is, it's like the tip of an iceberg.

[2:50:26] Voice 5: That's why it was longer before.

[2:50:27] Voice 5: Like, everything in here is based on other documents.

[2:50:34] Voice 5: And really, like, that's just, I just don't want us reinventing the wheel.

[2:50:37] Voice 5: like there is there's there was the the document done prior to the housing forum last term reviewed

[2:50:46] Voice 5: all the LTC um official community plans and land use bylaws and said what was going on on each

[2:50:54] Voice 5: island and then there was a lot of analysis there was I mean there's so many there's dozens of

[2:51:00] Voice 5: documents have been done throughout the trust area studying affordable housing um studying

[2:51:05] Voice 5: putting out ideas of what works, data, and all of it was summarized in that.

[2:51:09] Voice 5: And then there's like one thing I could do, I won't do it today,

[2:51:13] Voice 5: but I could offer to do it within the next days, two weeks.

[2:51:19] Voice 5: I have a lot awaiting me in my non-trust work life.

[2:51:26] Voice 5: I can make a list of those documents and even maybe a little annotated list

[2:51:29] Voice 5: and summary. I mean, in fact, I think there is a list already,

[2:51:32] Voice 5: and there's been a few added and a few missed out because the analysis

[2:51:37] Voice 5: this has pretty much been done i mean the thing about what works hasn't been asked enough and

[2:51:42] Voice 5: that's the piece that interests me and i like i am also thinking of seeing if as another parallel

[2:51:49] Voice 5: process like would maybe under the offices of regional planning committee like have a staff

[2:51:54] Voice 5: meeting where staff say this is my experience trying to support affordable housing through

[2:52:00] Voice 5: regulatory change on the islands i work and this is what i've seen in terms of learnings and what

[2:52:06] Voice 5: has worked and what hasn't and have someone record all that like that would be interesting

[2:52:10] Voice 5: but anyway

[2:52:11] Voice 5: yeah I'm going off down rabbit holes or down side but the other thing I just want to

[2:52:16] Voice 5: say is the sad thing is is not much has worked and maybe not much will work but we do need to

[2:52:23] Voice 5: do the best we can and then one more thing about what works and what doesn't is numerous people

[2:52:29] Voice 5: I've talked to who have a lot of experience and in fact Josie Osborne was one of them has said

[2:52:33] Voice 5: It is the, what Trustee Critchley said, it is the community groups, or it could be even in some communities as professional developers, creating publicly funded, well-regulated, multiple unit, mostly rental or rental type or innovative ownership type housing with a housing agreement.

[2:53:03] Voice 5: and that does seem to be the thing that works the best but other things could help yeah

[2:53:09] Trustee Fast: thank you

[2:53:09] Trustee Fast: trustee was shaken so let's focus on this one and then uh and then go on to the one or maybe two

[2:53:16] Trustee Fast: that will follow and uh i hear you and i would actually like to see the um appendix sorry the

[2:53:23] Trustee Fast: the list of resources because i think there's some i've seen and some i haven't and um but that's

[2:53:30] Trustee Fast: that's not what we're looking at here i'm um i'm wondering if i can call the question on this

[2:53:35] Trustee Fast: motion that we've amended slightly but i think we're all still agreed that this is the motion

[2:53:40] Trustee Fast: okay and then um uh any uh more discussion then i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:53:51] Trustee Fast: i i

[2:53:52] Trustee Fast: three hands went up thank you so that one passes and uh did you want to um prepare another

[2:54:00] Trustee Fast: another one trustee Christy yes

[2:54:03] Trustee Critchley: I do um so sadly I haven't sent this to the uh note taker I

[2:54:09] Trustee Critchley: apologize for that

[2:54:10] Trustee Critchley: I will go slowly okay so I move that the Deminal local trust committee

[2:54:18] Trustee Critchley: request staff to prepare a discussion paper to list and analyze options available to the LTC

[2:54:33] Trustee Critchley: LTC to facilitate more affordable housing on Denman Island, including what strategies have

[2:54:50] Trustee Critchley: proved successful in the trust area and elsewhere. Thank

[2:55:03] Trustee Fast: you. And this was something that

[2:55:13] Trustee Fast: Regional Planning Manager Carr, I think, was suggesting might just be a to-do item,

[2:55:18] Trustee Fast: them uh but uh is that still your opinion this doesn't have to be a project i think

[2:55:25] Voice 2: so i think

[2:55:26] Voice 2: and i and i i hear that you would like to have it attached to this business case if possible

[2:55:30] Voice 2: and i'll do my best is is that what you would like well

[2:55:37] Trustee Critchley: i'm thinking that if uh uh we could

[2:55:40] Trustee Critchley: get it that as soon as possible if we could get the discussion thing going as soon as possible

[2:55:46] Trustee Critchley: and that could later become an attachment

[2:55:48] Trustee Critchley: to the business case document.

[2:55:52] Trustee Fast: Is that possible?

[2:55:55] Trustee Fast: I think Trustee Critchley is saying

[2:55:57] Trustee Fast: that it doesn't have to be attached

[2:55:58] Trustee Fast: because then you can refer to one of them

[2:56:00] Trustee Fast: or the other without saying it's appendix

[2:56:02] Trustee Fast: and over here, right?

[2:56:05] Trustee Fast: So separate.

[2:56:07] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:56:07] Trustee Fast: Then, because I think it was my idea

[2:56:09] Trustee Fast: to put them together

[2:56:10] Trustee Fast: and I don't want to step on the local trustees.

[2:56:12] Trustee Fast: No better.

[2:56:14] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:56:14] Trustee Fast: Sorry, go ahead, Heather.

[2:56:17] Voice 2: I was just going to say, as far as I understand it, the timing of the business case is such that

[2:56:24] Voice 2: the LTC would like to have the business case on the next agenda so that you can endorse it and

[2:56:31] Voice 2: have it to the financial planning committee in September. And I think that timing could still

[2:56:39] Voice 2: work. I'll try to have them at the same meeting and maybe they aren't attached, but it might help.

[2:56:48] Voice 2: Great.

[2:56:48] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Can we possibly see that one on online? But I don't, it's not as important. Okay, go ahead, Trustee Bishakin.

[2:56:59] Trustee Fast: I'm thinking

[2:57:04] Voice 5: about if this motion needs to focus on Denman Island I think it's the same

[2:57:10] Voice 5: options available everywhere to LCCs and that perhaps if we took Denman Island out that

[2:57:21] Voice 5: Heather might get some support from staff who work on the regional planning team and

[2:57:27] Voice 5: and the Regional Planning Committee,

[2:57:29] Voice 5: because that in fact is, this is their job to do this.

[2:57:33] Voice 5: And so that's part of it.

[2:57:38] Voice 5: And I

[2:57:39] Voice 6: guess again, like this

[2:57:40] Voice 5: is, yeah,

[2:57:41] Voice 5: this to me is what Regional Planning Committee

[2:57:44] Voice 5: is supposed to be doing.

[2:57:45] Voice 5: And indeed, if you were to probably ask David Marler,

[2:57:48] Voice 5: who's the staff member kind of most in charge of that,

[2:57:51] Voice 5: he'd say, we've done that numerous times.

[2:57:54] Voice 5: So I guess just again, and I know I'm a broken record here,

[2:57:57] Voice 5: But I really, in terms of listing and analyzing options, it's pretty much been done, except that there are new options.

[2:58:06] Voice 5: Like there never used to be rental zoning.

[2:58:09] Voice 5: And then the work being done on Main Island, I haven't seen in the trust area before the distributed square footage.

[2:58:18] Voice 5: I put a link in my paper, distributed square footage model.

[2:58:23] Voice 5: So that should be included.

[2:58:24] Voice 5: But otherwise, it's going to be quite a bit of cutting and pasting.

[2:58:28] Voice 5: um to get this list together so

[2:58:31] Trustee Fast: do i am i hearing then that you want to delete the words on denman

[2:58:36] Trustee Fast: island from the motion and are you okay with that trustee critchley yes

[2:58:41] Trustee Critchley: thank

[2:58:42] Trustee Fast: you and do you want to

[2:58:44] Trustee Fast: add the words um what works including recently i guess it's we can assume that i think that's fine

[2:58:56] Trustee Fast: I think we can assume that okay it was just um I think your earlier words trustee Critchley was

[2:59:03] Trustee Fast: what works best today at least that's what I wrote down so um okay but if you're happy with

[2:59:08] Trustee Fast: the motion the way it is uh then can can I hear it one more time what does it say now I can read

[2:59:17] Trustee Critchley: it out so I'm moving that uh Deminal and local trust committee request staff to prepare a discussion

[2:59:24] Trustee Critchley: paper to list and analyze options available to the LTC to facilitate more affordable housing,

[2:59:35] Trustee Critchley: including what strategies have proved successful in the trust area and elsewhere.

[2:59:42] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Okay. Sounds good. Any more discussion? All those in favor?

[2:59:50] Trustee Fast: There's three hands. Very good. Thank you. And was there another one? Or can we move on?

[3:00:03] Trustee Fast: Okay. All right. Then I'm going to move us on. Because we only have a few things left, but 14.2, page 75 is our projects list.

[3:00:16] Trustee Fast: Yeah. Sorry, I

[3:00:17] Voice 5: do have one more question about the top priorities list.

[3:00:20] Voice 5: Go ahead.

[3:00:20] Voice 5: If there's an update on the grant application for the number one here, farm plan implementation, just any news on that?

[3:00:29] Voice 5: I

[3:00:31] Planner Zupanec: can provide an update there. So we've submitted the application to the Agriculture Foundation,

[3:00:41] Planner Zupanec: they've received it and acknowledged receipt of it and that it will be reviewed. So their

[3:00:46] Planner Zupanec: deadline isn't until mid May for applications. But they may be starting their review

[3:00:52] Planner Zupanec: of applications as they come in. So we might have an indication

[3:00:56] Planner Zupanec: soon rather than later whether we can progress on to the next level but yeah the application is

[3:01:01] Planner Zupanec: complete thank

[3:01:03] Trustee Fast: you good thank you i

[3:01:05] Trustee Critchley: have a question go

[3:01:06] Trustee Fast: ahead so this may not relate

[3:01:09] Trustee Critchley: directly to projects report but uh to what we've been discussing in terms of housing

[3:01:14] Trustee Critchley: this um initiative by the agricultural land commission to change its regulations to allow

[3:01:21] Trustee Critchley: allow more rental accommodation it sounds like um is staff kept in the loop on that do you know

[3:01:28] Trustee Critchley: what the current status of those uh proposed amendments is what are the statuses yeah

[3:01:37] Trustee Critchley: yeah

[3:01:38] Planner Zupanec: we're we're in the loop as much as anyone would be in the province outside of the commission

[3:01:43] Planner Zupanec: and the ministry of agriculture um so we have an indication that these changes will be released

[3:01:49] Planner Zupanec: later this year and that it really pertains to secondary um the second dwelling on a property

[3:01:57] Planner Zupanec: whether it's a suite or a separate dwelling completely but uh beyond that no we don't know

[3:02:05] Planner Zupanec: there's a lot of speculation and that's the way they like it so they just surprise us with the

[3:02:12] Planner Zupanec: information when it's uh finalized by the deputy minister and the minister thank you

[3:02:20] Planner Zupanec: and if i could

[3:02:21] Planner Zupanec: Could I comment?

[3:02:23] Voice 5: Yeah, David, back to your previous question of is there anything we can do

[3:02:28] Voice 5: in the shorter term because regulatory reviews take a long time

[3:02:32] Voice 5: and then action based on them also takes a long time.

[3:02:35] Voice 5: People are going to be building things.

[3:02:37] Voice 5: But that is something that, you know, assuming that the ALR is going to do

[3:02:42] Voice 5: or ALC what they said they're going to do,

[3:02:44] Voice 5: which is open up those regulations to allow secondary homes

[3:02:51] Voice 5: homes um regardless of whether it's for farm help or family or anything like that uh if that

[3:02:57] Voice 5: if that happens which is they said they would and if we get the grant and can move ahead on

[3:03:01] Voice 5: the timeline suggested then we could have an option to liberalize housing bylaws to

[3:03:10] Voice 5: allow more options on alr land so that would be something sort of in the meantime and that's a

[3:03:17] Voice 5: a lot of land on Denman a lot of properties thank you yeah

[3:03:23] Voice 6: as

[3:03:26] Voice 5: well as doing some other things just

[3:03:29] Voice 5: to bring more clarity and just a better regulatory environment for our many farms good

[3:03:37] Trustee Fast: okay could I

[3:03:39] Voice 5: mention go ahead

[3:03:40] Trustee Critchley: yes my understanding is that they were their aim in this was not to create

[3:03:46] Trustee Critchley: affordable housing in particular, but to provide other sources of income for farmers, that's what

[3:03:57] Trustee Critchley: I'd heard anyway. And if that was true, then there wouldn't necessarily be an affordability component

[3:04:05] Trustee Critchley: to any new housing that comes through this initiative. But one thing I was wondering is,

[3:04:14] Trustee Critchley: And this is getting ahead of the horse, I guess, but whether the local trust committee could approve having such things on agricultural zoned properties, provided that they were for affordable housing and having some sort of housing agreement attached to it.

[3:04:37] Trustee Critchley: That's, I just sort of throw that out. That's probably a discussion for another day, but that's something in the back of my mind.

[3:04:45] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Yes, I think

[3:04:47] Trustee Fast: we have to wait and see about that. But that's great that the grant application is in. And, and that staff are obviously in the loop about this. Did you say, Planner Zubin, that that's most of Denman Island? Is that what?

[3:05:02] Planner Zupanec: Half of Denman Island is in the Agricultural Land Reserve. Yeah.

[3:05:05] Planner Zupanec: Thank

[3:05:05] Trustee Fast: you. Me not knowing the island as well, that's better. I want to know that. Thank you.

[3:05:13] Trustee Fast: Okay, on to the, I think we sort of eased into the projects list here anyway on page 75 and 76

[3:05:19] Trustee Fast: and 77. Anybody got questions they want to ask? Projects report? Green Shores Workshop,

[3:05:36] Trustee Fast: I see that's happening, number 10 there.

[3:05:39] Trustee Fast: I

[3:05:41] Voice 5: mean, things just kind of sit here, and we could get right into it.

[3:05:46] Voice 5: But, like, I would, just to keep it a little tidier, I would remove the Green Shores workshop.

[3:05:51] Voice 5: I mean, given that the CVRD is taking that on, they also have a demonstration project,

[3:05:58] Voice 5: and it's just been here for four years and doesn't seem to be something we're prioritizing.

[3:06:04] Voice 5: and if it may happen on a trust-wide level as part of the sustainability education plan

[3:06:09] Voice 5: so i would uh i would move to remove that so i would move that the local trust committee remove

[3:06:18] Voice 5: green shores workshop from its projects report i

[3:06:22] Planner Zupanec: don't need a resolution to tidy it up i just need

[3:06:24] Planner Zupanec: to know what you want to see on there that's fine thanks thank

[3:06:27] Trustee Fast: you and i think um with zoom now some

[3:06:30] Trustee Fast: some of these workshops are more available to everybody and as more people are accustomed to

[3:06:36] Trustee Fast: using zoom and uh comfortable with it um we'll see how the take-up is for the cvrds um yeah

[3:06:45] Trustee Fast: i also

[3:06:45] Voice 5: would then suggest that number 12 facilitating affordable attainable and seniors

[3:06:51] Voice 5: housing be removed from the projects report and that it is now on the top priorities report

[3:06:55] Voice 5: for it very

[3:06:59] Trustee Fast: good thank you anything else okay then i'm going to move us along um because we

[3:07:11] Trustee Fast: do have a closed meeting as well so uh following this is the next regular meeting is july 6th

[3:07:17] Trustee Fast: and we've um we've heard we're going to probably see a lot of uh substantial material on that

[3:07:25] Trustee Fast: agenda and um so i imagine that will be on zoom the way it looks now but we'll find out for sure

[3:07:33] Trustee Fast: closer to and then the few information items there I just also included the truth precedes

[3:07:40] Trustee Fast: reconciliation and the reconciliation report I wanted to let people know that these put these

[3:07:47] Trustee Fast: out into the somewhere in the community that your citizens can easily reference them and

[3:07:53] Trustee Fast: partly because we had the letter today but also just to make when there's significant kind of new

[3:08:00] Trustee Fast: things coming into the Trust Council agenda I thought this was one way to

[3:08:07] Trustee Fast: bring them into communities is through these agendas so at least you can

[3:08:11] Trustee Fast: reference them or send a link or something and we talked about the Heron

[3:08:19] Trustee Fast: newsletter so I would like a motion to close the meeting who would like to make

[3:08:24] Trustee Fast: the motion go ahead I will move

[3:08:27] Voice 5: and I'm reading from the agenda I move that we

[3:08:30] Voice 5: I move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter Part 4, Division 3, Section 91DF.

[3:08:44] Voice 5: And I, for the purpose of considering adoption of in-camera meeting minutes dated March 16, 2021, by law enforcement and advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[3:08:59] Trustee Fast: Do I have a seconder?

[3:09:00] Trustee Fast: thank you david critchley and uh i'll just call them motion all those all those in favor

[3:09:05] Trustee Fast: thank you all right

[3:09:07] Trustee Fast: thank you and uh just before we close i want to um invite people i'm going back

[3:09:13] Trustee Fast: to my notes here and uh invite um members of the public although we're closing this meeting

[3:09:18] Trustee Fast: um if you want to receive notification for future meetings uh you can subscribe um to the local

[3:09:26] Trustee Fast: trust committee's information and updates online it'll come to you by email and uh if you'd like

[3:09:31] Trustee Fast: to provide any feedback about today's meeting you can please email northinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca

[3:09:38] Trustee Fast: and uh and we're now going to adjourn this meeting and get back together in a closed meeting

[3:09:44] Trustee Fast: that the public can't see so that's going to be the end of this recording

[3:09:48] Trustee Fast: and we will now adjourn the meeting.

[3:09:51] Trustee Fast: Thank you, everybody.

[3:09:53] Trustee Fast: Bye for now.

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Denman Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
May 4, 2021 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Sue Ellen Fast, Chair  
 David Critchley, Local Trustee  
 Laura Busheikin, Local Trustee  
   
Staff Present: Sonja Zupanec, Island Planner  
 Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager  
 Wil Cottingham, Administrative Assistant  
 Vicky Bockman, Recorder  
   
Others Present: Approximately one (1) member of the public  
1. CALL TO ORDER 
"Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Fast called the meeting to order at 10:00 am.  She welcomed the public, introduced 
Trustees, staff and recorder, and acknowledged that the meeting was being held electronically 
in traditional territory of the K'ómoks and Qualicum First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following addition to the agenda was presented for consideration: 
14.1.1 Denman Island LUB/OCP Review Backgrounder and Discussion Paper 
By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. RISE AND REPORT - IN CAMERA MEETING MARCH 16, 2021 
At the March 16, 2021 In Camera meeting, the LTC adopted the In Camera minutes dated 
January 19, 2021 and passed the following Standing Resolution: 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee confirm that the following Enforcement 
Policy has been and continues in effect:  
While there is a public health emergency declared for COVID-19, Enforcement activities 
have been deferred for all unlawful dwellings; there will be no evictions, except where 
there are concerns regarding health and safety, lack of septic services and possible 
contamination of wells and drinking water supplies; 
And that site inspections for the purpose of gathering information and communication 
with property owners will continue; 

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And that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee may change this policy at any time 
and may give direction to resume enforcement activities. 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Critchley provided a summary of activities and meetings attended: 
 Trust Council Select Committee - Governance and Management Review; 
 Baynes Sound/Lambert Channel Marine Ecosystem Forum Steering Committee; 
 Trust Programs Committee. 
Trustee Busheikin provided a summary of activities and meetings attended: 
 Regional Planning Committee; 
 Indigenous Awareness training webinar; 
 Comox Valley Coalition to end Homelessness; 
 Denman Island group coordinating and sharing information regarding COVID; 
 Calls and meetings with constituents; 
 Islands Trust Freshwater Strategy Round Table Steering Committee; 
 Drafting of letters of support included in this agenda; 
 Telephone conversation with MLA Josie Osborne. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Fast provided a summary of activities and meetings: 
 Trust Programs Committee attended as a member of Executive Committee; 
 Bowen Island Municipal Council; 
 Ballenas-Winchelsea LTC; 
 Executive Committee. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Trustee Busheikin announced on behalf of the Director that the Comox Valley Regional 
District (CVRD) is offering a free Green Shores information session on May 13th from     
7 - 8 pm for property owners to learn more about Green Shores as a nature-based 
solution to shoreline management which helps to restore a natural shoreline as well as 
addresses challenges including sea level rise, storm surge and coastal erosion.  
5. TOWN HALL - none 
6. DELEGATIONS - none 
7. MINUTES 
7.1 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes dated March 15, 2021 - for adoption 
By general consent the Special Meeting Minutes dated March 15, 2021 were adopted. 
7.2 Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record dated March 15, 2021 - for receipt 
By general consent the Public Hearing Record dated March 15, 2021 was received. 
7.3 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated March 16, 2021- for adoption 

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By general consent the Local Trust Committee minutes dated March 16, 2021 were 
adopted. 
7.4 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated April 27, 2021 
Received. 
7.5 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - none 
8. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
8.1 Follow-up Action List dated April 27, 2021 
Received. 
8.2 Letter dated March 31, 2021 - Local Trust Committee Letter of Support for Connected 
Coast 
Received. 
8.3 Letter dated March 23, 2021- Local Trust Committee to Executive Committee 
regarding Support for Fee Sponsorship for Application DE-RZ-2021.1 - Denman 
Housing Association (DHA)  
Received. 
8.4 Denman Island Local Trust Committee - Letter to Editor - Response to Petition about 
Housing 
Received. 
9. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
9.1 DE-RZ-2021.1 Denman Housing Association (DHA) 
9.1.1 Letter dated April 13, 2021 from Denman Housing Association (DHA) 
Committee members reviewed and discussed the above noted letter which 
requests the LTC to move the DHA application forward as expeditiously as 
possible including advancing through Third Reading and Ministry review 
conditional upon receipt of a water license. 
Staff advised that a staff report is anticipated to be brought to the next LTC 
meeting including progress to date on preliminary items; and suggested that 
direction to staff relating to next steps might be considered at that time. 
A Trustee noted that early review of information regarding quality and quantity 
of water available for the project would help inform a decision as to whether or 
not to give readings prior to receipt of the water license. 
Chair Fast invited the applicant to speak. 
Simon Palmer summarized water and wastewater reports currently being 
finalized; and advised that these are indicating that the property is capable of 
sustaining the needs of the project with no conflict, and will be forwarded to 
Planning staff upon completion. 

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10. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS - none 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
11.1 Email dated February 13, 2021 from L. Gillett regarding Housing Suggestions 
 Received. 
11.2 Email dated March 3, 2021 from S. Donaldson regarding Affordable Housing 
Received. 
11.3 Email dated March 19, 2021 from P. Stockdill, The Council of BC Yacht Clubs regarding 
Expansion of Shellfish Aquaculture Tenure, Henry Bay, Baynes Sound 
Received. 
11.4 Email dated March 22, 2021 from C. McLaughlin regarding Pentlatch Seafood Ltd. 
expansion of aquaculture tenure 
Received. 
11.5 Letter dated April 12, 2021 from D. Hunt-Scott regarding Reconciliation Engagement 
Request 
Trustees confirmed that the letter linking internet connection on remote island 
communities to First Nations reconciliation was received by email. Trustee Busheikin 
advised that she has forwarded the correspondence to various Islands Trust personnel 
for information. 
11.6 Email dated April 30, 2021 from P. Stockdill regarding Oyster Pouches in Baynes Sound 
Trustee Critchley advised that he will thank and advise Mr. Stockdill that he will be 
forwarding these informative comments on to the Baynes Sound/Lambert Channel 
Marine Ecosystem Forum where a subcommittee is working on innovation in 
aquaculture gear. 
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 Denman Island Advisory Planning Commission Appointments - Staff Report 
Planner Zupanec summarized the Staff Report addressing Advisory Planning Commission 
appointments for LTC consideration. 
DE-2021-038 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request that staff send letters to 
members of the Advisory Planning Commission whose terms expired on May 1, 2021, 
inviting their expressions of interest for reappointment to the Advisory Planning 
Commission and thanking them for their participation. 
CARRIED 

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DE-2021-039 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to conduct advertising to fill 
the vacancies on the Advisory Planning Commission. 
CARRIED 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy Report – none 
Trustees suggested that the comprehensive and informative newsletter from the Islands 
Trust Conservancy, The Heron, might be included in LTC meeting agenda packages 
instead of the current report format. 
13.2 Applications Report dated April 27, 2021 
Planner Zupanec responded to Trustee questions that arose. 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated February, 2021 
Received. 
13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received. 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
Chair Fast reported that the Islands Trust website is currently being updated and 
advised that comments about the new site can be provided on the Feedback tab at 
Islandstrust.bc.ca. 
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Top Priorities Report dated April 27, 2021 
Received. 
14.1.1 Denman Island LUB/OCP Review Backgrounder and Discussion Paper 
Trustee Busheikin summarized the Discussion Paper on possible approaches to 
advance the Top Priority of Denman Island LUB Review of Housing. 
Committee members’ discussion included the following: 
 A targeted review limited to housing was preferred in consideration of the 
pressing need, processing time, and new policies in the Trust Policy 
Statement that might have an effect on regulations; 
 Strategies for finding resources and budgetary considerations were 
identified; 
 A Trust-wide initiative to address best approaches to address housing and 
affordable housing might be an efficient option to investigate; 
 A business case for the project detailing scope of staff/consultant and 
estimated cost might be presented to the Financial Planning Committee by 
September and prior to Trust Council for budget consideration; 

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 A discussion paper analyzing the collective experience of Island Planners on 
what is perceived to work to create affordable housing would be helpful; 
 A professional facilitator for community consultation might be most 
effective. 
By general consent the meeting was recessed at 12:10 pm and reconvened at 12:43 pm. 
DE-2021-040 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a draft 
business case for a review of the Denman Island Land Use Bylaw and Official 
Community Plan, focusing on housing, with the goal of increasing options for 
affordable and attainable housing while also minimizing impacts of housing 
generally to better protect the environment while supporting equity, diversity 
and inclusion, and that this business case include the use of a consultant for all 
or part of the work. 
 
In discussing the motion, a Trustee considered that a discussion paper created in parallel would be 
helpful. Trustee Busheikin offered to provide staff with a list of resources and previous analysis on 
affordable housing that has been completed. 
 
CARRIED 
DE-2021-041 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a 
discussion paper to list and analyze options available to the Local Trust 
Committee to facilitate more affordable housing including what strategies have 
proved successful in the Trust area and elsewhere. 
 
In discussing the motion, the receipt of the requested information from staff was considered to be an 
important step for meeting budgetary timelines. Staff will attempt to provide the reports for the next 
LTC business meeting. A Trustee suggested that the Regional Planning Committee might provide 
support. 
CARRIED 
In response to questions regarding the status of Top Priority no. 1: Denman Island Farm 
Plan Implementation, Planner Zupanec reported the following: 
 A grant application to advance the project has been submitted to the Agricultural 
Foundation for review; 
 Staff will be kept informed of the Agricultural Land Commission’s initiative to allow 
secondary dwellings on Agricultural Land Reserve lots, with changes expected to be 
released later this year.  
14.2 Projects List Report dated April 27, 2021 
Committee members requested the following be removed from the report: 
 No. 10 Green Shores Workshop (being offered through CVRD); 
 No. 12 Facilitating affordable, attainable and seniors housing (now on the Top 
Priority List). 

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15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 10:00 AM at - to be 
determined 
Committee members confirmed the next regular meeting date and time with location to 
be determined. 
16. INFORMATION ITEMS 
16.1 Truth Precedes Reconciliation 
Received. 
16.2 Reconciliation Report 2019-2021 
Received. 
16.3 Islands Trust Conservancy Newsletter - The Heron - Spring 2021 
Received. 
17. CLOSED MEETING 
17.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
DE-2021-042 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1) (d), (f) and (i) for the purpose of considering adoption of In-
Camera Meeting minutes dated March 16, 2021, Bylaw Enforcement and advice that is 
subject to solicitor-client privilege and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
The meeting was closed to the public at 1:10 pm. 
18. ADJOURNMENT 
Chair Fast informed the public of the option to sign up for the online subscription service at 
Islandstrust.bc.ca to receive notification of future meeting agendas, meeting minutes, news 
releases and other topics. 
 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 1:10 pm. 
 
 
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Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Vicky Bockman, Recorder