Islands Trust Regional Planning Committee regular meeting, May 12, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 5: We are now live streaming.

[0:00:03] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, great. Thank you.

[0:00:06] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm going to welcome everyone and call the meeting to order.

[0:00:11] Trustee Busheikin: This is the Regional Planning Committee of the Islands Trust.

[0:00:14] Trustee Busheikin: And I'd like to begin by acknowledging that we're spread out to the,

[0:00:18] Trustee Busheikin: what we call the trust area.

[0:00:20] Trustee Busheikin: But long before that, it was the lands of many Indigenous communities,

[0:00:28] Trustee Busheikin: the First Nations and numerous, too many to name,

[0:00:34] Trustee Busheikin: and that we're grateful to be working here

[0:00:37] Trustee Busheikin: on those treaty and unceded lands, so thank you.

[0:00:44] Trustee Busheikin: And we have an agenda before us.

[0:00:46] Trustee Busheikin: Are there any new items or suggested changes to the agenda?

[0:00:55] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, seeing none, then can I take up by general consent,

[0:01:00] Trustee Busheikin: we approve the agenda as presented and maybe just speak up verbally if you did have an issue okay

[0:01:08] Trustee Busheikin: now i've got the participants list open uh so i can see hands going up uh and i'd like us to

[0:01:16] Trustee Busheikin: do our best to work with the electronic hands for speakers lists and certainly for voting

[0:01:23] Trustee Busheikin: uh if you're on the phone and you're having trouble with that or simply if i am not seeing

[0:01:30] Trustee Busheikin: it in a timely manner, feel free to just interrupt verbally and say excuse me or something like that

[0:01:37] Trustee Busheikin: and we'll make it work. And I want to thank everyone for being patient with what is even

[0:01:46] Trustee Busheikin: after a year still a fairly new way of working with the online technology that's allowed us to

[0:01:51] Trustee Busheikin: keep working. So we're going to go right into a session that's going to be about an hour and a

[0:01:56] Trustee Busheikin: half. It's going to be presenting work done on the freshwater sustainability strategy. This is

[0:02:04] Trustee Busheikin: a strategic plan priority item to figure out better ways of supporting freshwater sustainability

[0:02:14] Trustee Busheikin: across the whole trust area. So I'm not going to need to work hard during this session. I'm

[0:02:26] Trustee Busheikin: who's been heading up this process and Elan Falling,

[0:02:32] Trustee Busheikin: who's working with him, part of his team.

[0:02:34] Trustee Busheikin: And they're going to take us through this.

[0:02:37] Trustee Busheikin: And I think we've got quite a lot of trustees here.

[0:02:39] Trustee Busheikin: We did invite all trustees.

[0:02:41] Trustee Busheikin: So I want to welcome everyone who isn't usually

[0:02:44] Trustee Busheikin: at RPC meetings.

[0:02:45] Trustee Busheikin: It's great that you're here.

[0:02:47] Trustee Busheikin: And this is primarily an information session

[0:02:50] Trustee Busheikin: for people to ask questions.

[0:02:51] Trustee Busheikin: It's not, the goal isn't for it to be

[0:02:55] Trustee Busheikin: be a decision-making session, but if something comes out of it that our PC members want to

[0:03:00] Trustee Busheikin: follow up on, then we can consider that when we return to the rest of the agenda.

[0:03:06] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm going to hand it over to Kirk.

[0:03:11] Voice 22: Go ahead. Great. Thank you very much, Trustee Ushaken. And

[0:03:17] Voice 22: I want to thank Regional Planning Committee for making this opportunity available to us.

[0:03:22] Voice 22: We knew we wanted to engage with trustees and it was very convenient for us to do it.

[0:03:27] Voice 22: the timing is perfect and very convenient to do it through this meeting today. So thank you very

[0:03:31] Voice 22: much for making some time available to us to walk you through some of the work we've been doing for

[0:03:36] Voice 22: the past few months. I'm going to share a screen with you if that is okay. Okay, can I just get a

[0:03:52] Voice 22: thumbs up from some people if you're seeing my screen? Great, okay. And if there's any technology

[0:03:57] Voice 22: technology problems going on, let me know, and we'll see what we can do to resolve them.

[0:04:05] Voice 22: There's about four or five of us controlling the technology here today, so hopefully one of us will

[0:04:09] Voice 22: be able to figure out what's going on if something goes wrong. So I've got about an hour and a half

[0:04:13] Voice 22: with you. I'm going to try and limit the amount of talking that I do and create lots of space for

[0:04:18] Voice 22: other people to provide some input. We haven't, you know, we've been at this for a few months now,

[0:04:22] Voice 22: now, and we've had, we've been very grateful and privileged to have lots of participation

[0:04:29] Voice 22: from Trustee Beshaken, Trustee Patrick, and Trustee Stamford, who are participating in

[0:04:34] Voice 22: our advisory process, but we haven't heard from the other, I guess, 23 trustees, if that's

[0:04:40] Voice 22: if my math is right. So, as I say, I'll try to keep my mouth closed as much as I can and

[0:04:46] Voice 22: create lots of space for discussion as we go. But before I do that, I think we're going

[0:04:50] Voice 22: going to need a little bit of background on what's going on with this strategy. So I'll start with a

[0:04:53] Voice 22: bit of a preamble, if that's okay. So first of all, let's talk about what the scope of this

[0:05:00] Voice 22: freshwater sustainability strategy is all about. Like, what are we talking about?

[0:05:05] Voice 22: So certainly, because we're talking about the Gulf Islands, we know that groundwater

[0:05:10] Voice 22: is an integral part of the strategy. So we've done, as I'll talk about in a few minutes,

[0:05:15] Voice 22: we've done similar work for other communities and lots of other parts of British Columbia and Canada.

[0:05:20] Voice 22: But the Gulf Islands are certainly unique in the extent to which people rely on groundwater and the characteristics of water in the Gulf Islands are very unique for obvious reasons.

[0:05:32] Voice 22: So groundwater is right at the center of our focus, but we're also concerned with fresh water.

[0:05:38] Voice 22: So this is St. Mary's Lake and there are a number of important surface water sources scattered around the islands and some of which people rely on for their drinking water.

[0:05:49] Voice 22: so that's in our scope as well. Part and parcel of that we're concerned with aquatic ecosystems,

[0:05:55] Voice 22: so the ecosystems that depend on water directly. And the lens that we look at this issue through

[0:06:05] Voice 22: is the lens of the watershed. So clearly we're concerned with all of the watersheds and all

[0:06:12] Voice 22: their varying forms across the islands. But you know drinking water or potable water is a key

[0:06:22] Voice 22: focus. So you know water for the environment is critical to what we're talking about and water

[0:06:27] Voice 22: for people is also very critical. So we're concerned with you know how water is used in

[0:06:35] Voice 22: our homes to kind of run our lives, how water serves various functions in our communities

[0:06:42] Voice 22: including protecting us, keeping us healthy and clean,

[0:06:47] Voice 22: serving these amenities around our homes and businesses

[0:06:51] Voice 22: to keep our homes and businesses,

[0:06:54] Voice 22: places we live in, beautiful.

[0:06:56] Voice 22: And the obvious one of water

[0:06:59] Voice 22: is pretty important for keeping us alive.

[0:07:02] Voice 22: So all of these things are kind of within the scope

[0:07:05] Voice 22: of what we're thinking about

[0:07:06] Voice 22: with this freshwater sustainability strategy.

[0:07:10] Voice 22: The project team involves a collaboration

[0:07:14] Voice 22: between two companies. So my company is Econyx and my colleague, Rebecca Mercereau, who's unable

[0:07:19] Voice 22: to join us today. Rebecca is also in her spare time, a councillor with District of Saanich and

[0:07:25] Voice 22: is on the CRD board. So she's got board business today, so can't join us. But we're working with a

[0:07:32] Voice 22: partner firm, Compass Resource Management. Alain Failing is joining us today from Compass. And we

[0:07:37] Voice 22: also have Natasha Overdoon from Compass working with us as well. And this project builds on a

[0:07:42] Voice 22: partnership between Compass and Econyx going back a number of years now so we've done comparable

[0:07:47] Voice 22: work for Metro Vancouver, Regional District of Nanaimo, Cowichan Valley Regional District

[0:07:53] Voice 22: and now Islands Trust so we're kind of

[0:07:55] Voice 1: a bit of

[0:07:56] Voice 22: a band that travels the country at this point.

[0:07:59] Voice 22: But I also want to take a moment to recognize Nerissa Chadwick and William Schulbach both of

[0:08:05] Voice 22: whom are on the call today and Nerissa and William have been they're the project managers

[0:08:11] Voice 22: with islands trust and they've been absolutely integral to the project we're working like very

[0:08:15] Voice 22: much hand in hand so this isn't a case of kind of like a project being outsourced to consultants

[0:08:20] Voice 22: and us kind of going away doing the work and bringing it back it's very much a collaboration

[0:08:25] Voice 22: um you know with staff um and you know we've also had great input from another of a number of other

[0:08:32] Voice 22: staff members um some of whom are on the call today that i'll refer to as we go so i want to

[0:08:38] Voice 22: to express my appreciation for that collaboration. It's been a pleasure to work on this project with

[0:08:44] Voice 22: Islands Trust. So in terms of where this work is coming from, it's clearly not coming out of

[0:08:52] Voice 22: nowhere. So I know you're, I believe you're discussing the updates to the policy statement

[0:08:59] Voice 22: later on today, if I understand correctly. But it's, I think, you know, we want to recognize

[0:09:05] Voice 22: is that even the existing policy statement from like a number of years ago highlights the Islands

[0:09:11] Voice 22: Trust's long-standing focus on water. So there's a number of references in the existing policy

[0:09:15] Voice 22: statement that kind of highlight that that I've got on the screen here. I won't read through them.

[0:09:20] Voice 22: And then that's mirrored or reflected in the 2018-22 Council Strategic Plan,

[0:09:26] Voice 22: which has a goal of protecting quality and quantity of water resources. And you can see

[0:09:30] Voice 22: right there highlighted is the goal of the action to develop a regional freshwater management

[0:09:35] Voice 22: strategy. So this work's coming straight from your council's strategic plan. In terms of kind

[0:09:44] Voice 22: of the broader context, like the regional context, so a number of other communities around the place

[0:09:52] Voice 22: have been doing similar work in the last decade or so. So regional district of Nanaimo was really

[0:09:59] Voice 22: the first to kind of spearhead this direction of developing these regional drinking water and

[0:10:04] Voice 22: watershed protection action plans or water plans if you will they started theirs way back in 2007

[0:10:10] Voice 22: and so they've actually just gone through their 10-year anniversary and update so 2019 and 2020

[0:10:17] Voice 22: we Connex and Compass were privileged to be part of that update process so we helped RDN create the

[0:10:25] Voice 22: the version 2.0 of their water action plan.

[0:10:30] Voice 22: And then we kind of bounced from that

[0:10:32] Voice 22: right into working with CVRD

[0:10:33] Voice 22: on developing their first drinking water

[0:10:35] Voice 22: and watershed protection strategy.

[0:10:37] Voice 22: So in both cases, both communities went

[0:10:39] Voice 22: through a referendum process with their communities.

[0:10:42] Voice 22: They got a mandate to establish a service

[0:10:45] Voice 22: under the Local Government Act,

[0:10:46] Voice 22: and now they levy tax requisition, essentially,

[0:10:52] Voice 22: potentially specifically for the purpose of funding watershed protection work.

[0:11:00] Voice 22: So, you know, I'll be talking more about those strategies later, but I also flag that we're

[0:11:06] Voice 22: starting to see other communities do the same thing. So Sunshine Coast is currently in the

[0:11:09] Voice 22: process of commissioning a similar project to do this kind of work. So Islands Trust is really

[0:11:14] Voice 22: kind of just at the sort of the forefront of with other communities of developing these regional

[0:11:20] Voice 22: water plants. And it's in recognition that the province has limited capacity to do this kind of

[0:11:28] Voice 22: work. And there really is no other players other than these regional entities, the regional

[0:11:34] Voice 22: districts, or in your case, Islands Trust, that can stand up and kind of deliver these services

[0:11:40] Voice 22: on the regional level. The other thing I want to flag is that we, so Islands Trust was lucky to

[0:11:49] Voice 22: to gain access to some funding for this work

[0:11:52] Voice 22: through the Healthy Watersheds Initiative,

[0:11:54] Voice 22: which was a grant from the provincial government

[0:11:56] Voice 22: allocated through an entity called Watersheds BC.

[0:11:58] Voice 22: So we want to certainly acknowledge,

[0:12:00] Voice 22: gratefully acknowledge that funding support.

[0:12:03] Voice 22: And the funding support is essentially,

[0:12:05] Voice 22: it's a one-year program that was really COVID funding,

[0:12:11] Voice 22: to spur economic activity.

[0:12:15] Voice 22: And so we'll talk about some of the ways

[0:12:17] Voice 22: that those funds are being used in islands trust case to uh to generate activity like that um we

[0:12:25] Voice 22: at the start of the process uh our advisory process we did a bunch of uh work to canvas

[0:12:32] Voice 22: people so we had some interviews and we struck this advisory committee i'll talk about in a minute

[0:12:37] Voice 22: and one of the questions we asked right at the outset is like what are the issues like why are

[0:12:41] Voice 22: we concerned about like sure water is important we all get that but what is it about um water on

[0:12:47] Voice 22: the gulf islands in particular that is making us concerned to the point that we need a strategy and

[0:12:53] Voice 22: then we need to allocate some some specific special effort to to managing water differently

[0:12:59] Voice 22: or better than we have in the past and so this is just some of the highlights of what we heard

[0:13:04] Voice 22: this isn't me speaking this is just me reflecting what i've heard from other people uh that we've

[0:13:10] Voice 22: spoken to over the course of the project so uh certainly drought seasonal drought uh the the

[0:13:16] Voice 22: the shortage of rainfall in the summer months, and the fact that that's becoming exacerbated by

[0:13:23] Voice 22: development pressures, so more people using water, and by climate change. So we heard that over and

[0:13:30] Voice 22: over again. And what we're hearing is that that is an issue that's impacting islands differently

[0:13:36] Voice 22: from one island to the next. And in some places, it's fairly acute. So we've heard a lot, for

[0:13:42] Voice 22: for example, about wells drying up on Hornby.

[0:13:44] Voice 22: There's been a lot of discussion

[0:13:46] Voice 22: about limited water availability

[0:13:50] Voice 22: on Salt Spring, for example.

[0:13:54] Voice 22: The other thing that we're hearing about a lot

[0:13:56] Voice 22: is saltwater intrusion.

[0:13:57] Voice 22: So as people put increasing pressure on groundwater,

[0:14:01] Voice 22: extracting more groundwater,

[0:14:03] Voice 22: coupled with climate impacts,

[0:14:05] Voice 22: we're seeing isolated but increasing incidents

[0:14:08] Voice 22: of saltwater intrusion.

[0:14:10] Voice 22: So Saturn Island, as an example,

[0:14:11] Voice 22: is a place where we hear about that quite a bit. The issues on Salt Spring are pretty well

[0:14:19] Voice 22: established and well known. So, you know, we're probably everyone's aware of the moratorium on

[0:14:25] Voice 22: new connections in North Salt Spring, for example, and some of the other pressures on

[0:14:30] Voice 22: improvement districts and other regional water systems, regional district water systems.

[0:14:37] Voice 22: I do want to stress, though, that, you know, although kind of the issues on Salt Spring are

[0:14:40] Voice 22: are prominent, we're going out of our way to make sure that this is a federation-wide strategy. It's

[0:14:47] Voice 22: not a salt water, or sorry, a salt spring and everywhere else strategy. It's an island's trust

[0:14:53] Voice 22: strategy. So that's been very much a thing that we're cognizant of as we proceed. So all of that

[0:15:00] Voice 22: is creating what I would call localized, both aquifer and surface water drinking supply risk.

[0:15:07] Voice 22: So, so there's no sort of like, you know, it's not like the issues that are hitting, say, the south of the US where you've got these like massive droughts across entire regions, right? The issues are tend to be fairly isolated in your case and sort of varying from island to island or even water system to water system, but, but they're increasing and they're in some cases fairly acute.

[0:15:26] Voice 22: and all of that has impacts on the community so it can limit growth and it can affect other

[0:15:34] Voice 22: community goals so one that we're hearing a lot about for example is sort of how this water issue

[0:15:39] Voice 22: can come head-to-head with the issue of affordable housing right if there isn't isn't water

[0:15:44] Voice 22: availability then it's very difficult to approve developments that might make things more affordable

[0:15:51] Voice 22: for residents. So this next image is put in with a great deal of hyperbole. So please forgive it,

[0:16:02] Voice 22: but it is difficult to illustrate the idea of kind of user conflicts. So I don't think we're

[0:16:08] Voice 22: seeing gunfights in the streets yet. And even I've done a fair amount of work in some of the

[0:16:13] Voice 22: U.S. states lately, including in Colorado. And apparently in Colorado, there's more water lawyers

[0:16:18] Voice 22: than there are divorce lawyers. I don't think we're quite there yet in the Gulf Islands. So

[0:16:24] Voice 22: So please forgive the kind of bit of hyperbole there, but, you know, we certainly are hearing

[0:16:32] Voice 22: incidences of user conflict, and we don't want that to grow.

[0:16:34] Voice 22: We don't want that because that can become a very, very big issue.

[0:16:39] Voice 22: And then part and parcel of that is incidents of water quality concerns.

[0:16:43] Voice 22: So, for example, on Hornby, again, we're hearing about E. coli issues around, you know, drinking

[0:16:51] Voice 22: water, which, again, we don't want that to become a bigger issue.

[0:16:54] Voice 22: and then sort of layered over the whole thing is the uh the uh issue that we want to make sure that

[0:17:02] Voice 22: we're effectively the requirement that we need to effectively engage with first nations on

[0:17:07] Voice 22: watershed protection i'll speak about that more later in the deck okay so that's sort of like

[0:17:12] Voice 22: some of what we're hearing about about the why like why is this an issue i think that's hopefully

[0:17:18] Voice 22: a reasonably good snapshot of what's going on like i would you know compared to well i've worked

[0:17:23] Voice 22: with lots of communities across Canada on these issues. I would not characterize where you're at

[0:17:29] Voice 22: as necessarily a crisis per se, but certainly you've got your fair share of issues. There are

[0:17:35] Voice 22: diverse issues and they can affect the way that you want to do business. So I think the time is

[0:17:44] Voice 22: right to take this strategy on. Let's talk a little bit about the process. So this very busy

[0:17:55] Voice 22: flow diagram was circulated in the agenda package. So hopefully some of you have had a chance to look

[0:18:00] Voice 22: at it. I'm not going to belabor this, but I'll just say that we had some initial work in the

[0:18:06] Voice 22: beginning where we were doing some desktop research and some interviews with some key

[0:18:10] Voice 22: informants, both inside and outside the organization. Once we finished that desktop

[0:18:16] Voice 22: research, we started a advisory process with what's called the Strategy Advisory Roundtable,

[0:18:24] Voice 22: or the SAR for short, S-A-R. I'll talk more about the SAR in a minute. In parallel, there has been

[0:18:31] Voice 22: a separate engagement process with First Nations, which is being led by Islands Trust and

[0:18:40] Voice 22: And Lisa Wilcox, who I think is on the call as well, has been leading that process.

[0:18:44] Voice 22: I'll speak about that more in a few minutes.

[0:18:48] Voice 22: And then I mentioned that we have this funding from Watersheds BC.

[0:18:54] Voice 22: So in addition to supporting this work that we're doing, that funding is also being used to fund some what we're calling demonstration or implementation projects.

[0:19:04] Voice 22: And so there's a list there of some of the projects.

[0:19:08] Voice 22: I won't get into what's going on with each of those, other than to say they're creating some local benefits for a couple of the islands and, as importantly, are kind of demonstrating what work under this strategy might look like, like how it might materialize on the ground.

[0:19:27] Voice 22: We are, you're kind of looking for where you are on the map, we're here right now, so we are treating this as our virtual workshop on the strategy with trustees.

[0:19:35] Voice 22: but I am kind of have rearranged the box cars a little bit here because we still have one more

[0:19:41] Voice 22: SAR meeting to go next week but we're definitely in end game so we're working towards having the

[0:19:46] Voice 22: strategy wrapped up more or less by the end of June and I'll talk more about next steps as we go

[0:19:51] Voice 22: okay let's talk briefly about the advisory round table so that process we set up like it's it's

[0:20:03] Voice 22: It's, as I say, I've done this a number of times before, but I've never done it virtually.

[0:20:09] Voice 22: So, you know, doing these kind of community engagement or stakeholder advisory processes

[0:20:16] Voice 22: is challenging at the best of times, but doing it all through Zoom has been an interesting

[0:20:20] Voice 22: experience.

[0:20:21] Voice 22: I think we're doing pretty well, but we're having to try and think of new ways of doing

[0:20:25] Voice 22: things, surveys and doing videos and things like that to try and be parsimonious with

[0:20:31] Voice 22: people's time because it's tough.

[0:20:34] Voice 22: But the advisory roundtable was struck on an ad hoc basis. So it's purely struck for this process, and then it will disband at the end of the process. And its role is to help us while identifying those issues that I spoke about just a few minutes ago, providing input on goals and objectives, which I'm going to cover in a little bit.

[0:20:54] Voice 22: and then now where we're at with them is they're giving us input on the core elements or actions

[0:20:59] Voice 22: of the strategy so we talk about goals objectives and actions and uh right now we're kind of at the

[0:21:06] Voice 22: action level we're talking about what okay what are the specific tasks that we're going to take

[0:21:10] Voice 22: on um the membership of the SAR we had to uh try and you know having as I'm sure you're all very

[0:21:19] Voice 22: aware at this point having lots and lots of people on zoom calls is tricky so we tried to keep the

[0:21:24] Voice 22: the membership fairly buttoned down.

[0:21:26] Voice 22: I didn't list all the individual members here,

[0:21:31] Voice 22: but you can see that we've got good coverage

[0:21:34] Voice 22: from lots of different sectors and interests.

[0:21:37] Voice 22: And the trustees who are with us on that

[0:21:41] Voice 22: are Trustee Bishakin, Trustee Patrick,

[0:21:43] Voice 22: and Trustee Stamford.

[0:21:44] Voice 22: And Trustee Bishakin,

[0:21:46] Voice 22: is Trustee Stamford on the call today?

[0:21:48] Voice 22: I'm not sure.

[0:21:52] Voice 22: I think you're-

[0:21:53] Voice 22: Yes, I am.

[0:21:54] Voice 11: Oh, you are, okay.

[0:21:55] Voice 22: Sorry, I didn't see you earlier.

[0:21:57] Voice 22: And, yeah, so thank you to all three of you for your continued support with this work and kind of being our channel into Trust Council. So much appreciated.

[0:22:07] Voice 22: Okay, I'm going to speak briefly about our engagement with First Nations.

[0:22:14] Voice 22: So the approach that we've taken with this is different than I have experienced in the past.

[0:22:22] Voice 22: And as I said, this work is being led by Islands Trust with Lisa Wilcox. Lisa, I'm going to ask

[0:22:29] Voice 22: for you to jump in on this in a minute if that's okay with you, but I'll introduce it first.

[0:22:35] Voice 22: So it's a parallel process, but very much integrated with the SAR process as well.

[0:22:42] Voice 22: Islands Trust has engaged three cultural knowledge holder advisors to provide input

[0:22:47] Voice 22: input throughout the process. So those advisors are Harold Joe, Janine Georgeson, and Swayzia

[0:22:54] Voice 22: Guss. We've also been lucky to have some input from Chief Bill Williams and from Joe Dantia,

[0:23:01] Voice 22: who's a youth advisor working with Harold Joe. The cultural knowledge holders have had some

[0:23:10] Voice 22: some separate meetings on their own with Lisa and some other staff members and then they have

[0:23:17] Voice 22: also participated in the SAR process and provided input through that and then last Friday we were

[0:23:23] Voice 22: all the SAR members were all very lucky to have a special session on water and indigenous culture

[0:23:30] Voice 22: which some of you on the call today were able to attend. For me personally it was a very special

[0:23:37] Voice 22: experience. I learned a ton from it. And now the challenge to us is to try and imbue some of those

[0:23:45] Voice 22: things that we learned into the strategy that we're developing. So this is a graphic that an

[0:23:51] Voice 22: artist created from a previous meeting with the cultural knowledge holders, not the meeting on

[0:23:57] Voice 22: Friday, but a lot of what we talked about on Friday is also reflected in this graphic. So

[0:24:02] Voice 22: So, um, I'll put this up briefly, uh, for you to look at, but, um, you know, so again,

[0:24:09] Voice 22: the attendees at the meeting on Friday were, uh, Chief Bill Williams, Harold Joe, uh, Jeanine

[0:24:15] Voice 22: Georgeson, Joe Dantio, and Lisa Wilcox from Islands Trust.

[0:24:20] Voice 22: And, you know, they spoke about many things, but some of the things that they taught us

[0:24:24] Voice 22: that I took away from the session were about the ceremonial uses of water and the spiritual

[0:24:30] Voice 22: importance of water.

[0:24:32] Voice 22: the role of water in traditional activities like fishing and food gathering.

[0:24:40] Voice 22: We talked about the consequences of disrespecting water, which I thought was

[0:24:47] Voice 22: fairly powerful. And Lisa spoke about, you know, intergenerational transfer of knowledge about

[0:24:55] Voice 22: water and water resources. So kind of this idea of 10,000 years of knowing about the resource and

[0:25:00] Voice 22: and how you need to put that against

[0:25:03] Voice 22: kind of these other ways of knowing

[0:25:05] Voice 22: that we tend to gravitate towards.

[0:25:10] Voice 22: Harold Joe talked, for example,

[0:25:12] Voice 22: about rivers being highways to access campsites

[0:25:15] Voice 22: and fishing spots and other important places.

[0:25:20] Voice 22: And Chief Bill Williams spoke about the need

[0:25:23] Voice 22: for holistic thinking with water.

[0:25:26] Voice 22: He said that humans are not the only beings

[0:25:29] Voice 22: in the universe, right?

[0:25:30] Voice 22: Right. So we need to imbue this kind of holistic thinking into the strategy that we're developing.

[0:25:36] Voice 22: So, yeah, I think other people probably took other things away from the session.

[0:25:42] Voice 22: But for me, I just want to express my gratitude to those knowledge holders for passing these teachings on to us and for giving me license to speak about them today and in the strategy as well.

[0:25:54] Voice 22: well. Lisa, I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I just wanted to pause there and see if you

[0:26:00] Voice 22: wanted to add anything to that, since you're leading that part of the process. Yeah, the

[0:26:08] Voice 6: Friday session went really well. Just like to acknowledge that, you know, there's four

[0:26:16] Voice 6: cultural knowledge holders on your, participating in your panel, myself included. So my teachings

[0:26:24] Voice 6: come from Coast Salish Territory, both from late Dobie Tom, from Cockleton CM, Tulalso

[0:26:34] Voice 6: Game CM, Halak Sakyos CM, and all of the elders and chiefs that I've worked with in Coast

[0:26:44] Voice 6: Salish Territory.

[0:26:45] Voice 6: So I'm also a person that has a deep connection to the understanding and teachings of

[0:26:54] Voice 6: water, having done those practices. So the sessions have gone well. We wanted to connect

[0:27:05] Voice 6: people in the panels with people that are understanding those practices and that

[0:27:14] Voice 6: spiritual and cultural connection to water. So we would hope to expand and share this strategy

[0:27:22] Voice 6: strategy and engage with nations throughout the Islands Trust area to ensure that they're also

[0:27:29] Voice 6: having input once we have a more written process, similar to what we've done in our other engagements

[0:27:38] Voice 6: on projects and initiatives in the Islands Trust area. But hopefully we're creating lots of

[0:27:44] Voice 6: knowledge sharing and engagement for the other people that are working on the panel. And even

[0:27:52] Voice 6: since the panel have received some calls from staff both from the CVRD and City of Nanaimo to

[0:27:58] Voice 6: connect and talk about their reconciliation initiative so it's nice to create that

[0:28:03] Voice 6: understanding to share and and work with everybody so thanks so much.

[0:28:11] Voice 22: Thanks Lisa and again just my deep gratitude to all of the knowledge holders

[0:28:16] Voice 22: for giving us this opportunity and these teachings.

[0:28:20] Voice 22: teachings.

[0:28:21] Voice 17: I just wanted to add that we are planning on doing a session for trustees and

[0:28:27] Voice 17: staff, similar to the session that we did do with the SAR. So just letting people know.

[0:28:32] Voice 17: Yeah,

[0:28:33] Voice 22: as I say, it's the approach that we're using here is different than I've been involved

[0:28:39] Voice 22: with in the past. And frankly, I think it's so far better. Yeah. Okay, so that's where we're at

[0:28:51] Voice 22: right now. We've completed two SAR meetings. We have one to go next week. Our draft goals and

[0:28:56] Voice 22: objectives are complete. We're working on the actions now. We're aiming to have a draft document

[0:29:01] Voice 22: completed in June. That document, the voice that we're using, unless we hear otherwise,

[0:29:07] Voice 22: based on direction from staff, it will be written as a Trust Council document. So we're writing with

[0:29:13] Voice 22: your voice on your behalf, if you will. And it will be presented to Trust Council in September

[0:29:20] Voice 22: for your approval as a Trust Council document.

[0:29:24] Voice 22: Again, with all of the input from stakeholders and staff

[0:29:28] Voice 22: and the trustees involved in the process and today.

[0:29:33] Voice 22: So I'm going to just pause there

[0:29:36] Voice 22: to see if there's any questions or comments.

[0:29:38] Voice 22: I have some discussion questions

[0:29:39] Voice 22: that I can throw up as well

[0:29:40] Voice 22: if we need to kind of spur us along,

[0:29:43] Voice 22: but I'm just going to stop for a minute

[0:29:46] Voice 22: and see if there's any comments or questions.

[0:29:53] Voice 22: Sorry, through the chair,

[0:29:55] Voice 22: I should say, trustee Bishaykin, if it's okay with you, that's what I'd like to hear.

[0:29:59] Trustee Busheikin: Yes.

[0:30:00] Trustee Busheikin: Absolutely. Go ahead. Thank you.

[0:30:06] Voice 22: I see trustee fast.

[0:30:09] Trustee Fast: Thank you. I just have a really dumb question. Can you,

[0:30:11] Trustee Fast: I'm terrible with acronyms. Can you tell me what a SAR is again?

[0:30:15] Voice 22: Sorry. Strategy advisory round table.

[0:30:19] Voice 22: So it's the ad hoc committee that we've formed with all of these players from,

[0:30:24] Voice 22: from around the place. Yeah. Thank

[0:30:26] Trustee Fast: you. I was guessing, but I wasn't sure.

[0:30:28] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:30:28] Voice 22: Yeah. I actually,

[0:30:30] Voice 22: I'm trying to get better about not using acronyms, but sometimes you end up.

[0:30:40] Voice 22: Okay, so I'm actually not seeing a lot of questions. So I'm just going to go back to my deck here. And I'm going to throw up my discussion questions then to see if that spurs us along a little bit. So the questions I have for you at this juncture, just having now some exposure to what we're up to, is first question I have is, does this work plan, like does what we're doing, meet your expectations?

[0:31:00] Voice 22: expectations you know are we are we approaching this in the way that you would expect are there

[0:31:03] Voice 22: any uh stones that we're leaving unturned um or questions about what we're doing and secondly like

[0:31:12] Voice 22: you know what like is water the priority that i think it is for you um and if so what issues are

[0:31:18] Voice 22: the highest priorities like where do you or alternatively where do you think the biggest

[0:31:22] Voice 22: opportunities are so let's see if uh where that takes us justy fast again okay

[0:31:37] Trustee Fast: well i'll lead off

[0:31:38] Trustee Fast: because I'm an oddball here in that I'm coming to you from Bowen Island, other names, and we

[0:31:49] Trustee Fast: are an island municipality. So staff may be in touch with you. We're doing a bunch of work

[0:31:56] Trustee Fast: similar at the staff level just for Bowen municipality. So they are knowing about this

[0:32:03] Trustee Fast: and there um we have seven water districts and we're um trying to catch up with old infrastructure

[0:32:12] Trustee Fast: and stuff like that as well as watershed protection concerns we also have a whole bunch of wells like

[0:32:17] Trustee Fast: probably about half we're not even exactly sure and those are the provincially managed ones or

[0:32:25] Trustee Fast: managed i say because we only had a um one of those observation wells established just a couple

[0:32:33] Trustee Fast: of years ago so until up till then was none i'm over here in how sound and um kate louise stamford

[0:32:40] Trustee Fast: i think is probably right um she asked for some information at the beginning so she's

[0:32:45] Trustee Fast: from a similar kind of island um but i uh i'm just very interested for all the well users

[0:32:52] Trustee Fast: and uh and for the future of and coming into climate change and uh and for um fractured

[0:33:02] Trustee Fast: bedrock kind of island where we don't really know what's going on and I gather that's not possible

[0:33:07] Trustee Fast: to know um but also um I think we uh we need a strategy and I'll be really interested in the

[0:33:14] Trustee Fast: um outcome of this and so I just wanted to say hello and uh we're interested too over here on

[0:33:20] Trustee Fast: Bowen Island thank you so

[0:33:23] Voice 22: um thanks so we as I said earlier um uh we are really trying to make

[0:33:31] Voice 22: sure that we don't get too uh overly focused on um say the southern gulf islands or salt spring

[0:33:37] Voice 22: right uh it's a it's a federation-wide strategy and yes how sound is part of that

[0:33:41] Voice 22: so uh we're definitely aware of that um and um uh you know we've had some discussion about like the

[0:33:50] Voice 22: particular issues in how sound through the process we'll see how that i can't really quite put a

[0:33:54] Voice 22: finger yet on how that's going to manifest in the strategy yet but certainly we're trying to make

[0:33:59] Voice 22: sure that we're kind of like considering the breadth of issues that you just mentioned

[0:34:02] Voice 22: um in terms of uh bowen island uh municipality so we did have to make kind of a call at the

[0:34:09] Voice 22: outset of the process about who was going to sit on that sar process and um you know there's a lot

[0:34:16] Voice 22: of regions seven regional districts i think so you know we couldn't we couldn't have a seat for seven

[0:34:21] Voice 22: regional districts plus one other municipality uh we couldn't really make a seat for all of the

[0:34:26] Voice 22: the different local governments that are just going to work um so i i um and and to be perfectly

[0:34:31] Voice 22: honest we haven't had a lot of discussion about how we're going to engage with uh the the local

[0:34:36] Voice 22: governments that aren't on the SAR uh yet um but what we ended up doing was we just made a call

[0:34:43] Voice 22: that we we gave those seats to regional district of Nanaimo uh Cowichan Valley regional district

[0:34:49] Voice 22: and CRB. Yeah. Yeah.

[0:34:54] Trustee Fast: No complaints. I just wanted to flag that we're interested,

[0:34:59] Trustee Fast: or at least us elected folks are, and the staff tend to be super busy. And so they may just be

[0:35:06] Trustee Fast: watching from a distance and see what comes out of it. I'm not sure, but thank you.

[0:35:11] Voice 22: Okay. Thanks.

[0:35:12] Voice 22: Trustee Patrick, I think you were next. And Trustee Bichecan, are you okay if I direct the

[0:35:17] Voice 22: traffic? I

[0:35:19] Trustee Patrick: think it's just a cognizant. You mentioned it earlier, affordable housing and

[0:35:24] Trustee Patrick: water, and that it makes it sound like there's a tension regarding affordable housing. I think we

[0:35:29] Trustee Patrick: need to be very cognizant that it's not affordable housing that's causing the tension with water,

[0:35:34] Trustee Patrick: that it should be the fair, equitable distribution of water in our systems,

[0:35:39] Trustee Patrick: and that we are seeing very large homes being built with desalination plants and other things

[0:35:47] Trustee Patrick: to run these machines when, you know, our basic people don't even have a bucket of water to live

[0:35:55] Trustee Patrick: with. So I think we have to be very, you know, very careful not to feed that tension. There's

[0:35:59] Trustee Patrick: an article in today's Driftwood paper blaming affordable housing and water again. And this

[0:36:04] Trustee Patrick: has got to stop because we'd so just be cognizant of that tension.

[0:36:08] Voice 22: Thanks. That's good advice. I'll

[0:36:10] Voice 22: do my best to watch my language. But I take your point. You know, I think the point I'm trying to

[0:36:17] Voice 22: make uh uh coarsely is that you know uh water will affect the way that islands trust does

[0:36:24] Voice 22: business you know it affects how you can make decisions and uh you know only to make the point

[0:36:30] Voice 22: which i i you're the last person i need to tell this trustee patrick that you know if we don't

[0:36:35] Voice 22: get on top of this now your jobs are only going to get more difficult yeah uh i see trustee dodds

[0:36:42] Voice 22: next I believe.

[0:36:44] Voice 14: So I may have to shut my video off I don't have a good signal at my house but

[0:36:49] Voice 14: anyways I wondered if I just thought for me and you know this for Main Island vast majority of

[0:36:55] Voice 14: our properties are served by water districts the vast majority of those properties were developed

[0:36:59] Voice 14: in the 60s so they're all small lot and and all our water districts are struggling to have enough

[0:37:04] Voice 14: water is and then I'll tell you a little anecdote about a long-term resident who was telling me

[0:37:09] Voice 14: quite recently and she is on a well but it's not the best well and she's probably been in her house

[0:37:15] Voice 14: for 35 40 years so she uses rainwater to supplement her well so she has it and she's and she adds

[0:37:22] Voice 14: tanks it's very visual so my question is what about rainwater why do we never talk about

[0:37:28] Voice 14: the mill that you love using because it's a very visible source as our storage tanks

[0:37:34] Voice 22: right good question so uh we definitely will be talking about rainwater in the strategy we

[0:37:40] Voice 22: We have an action concerning rainwater.

[0:37:43] Voice 22: I've spent a lot of time in my career thinking about rainwater.

[0:37:46] Voice 22: I came up in this field in Australia where rainwater is much more prominent than it is here.

[0:37:53] Voice 22: And in fact, the city I worked in, in Australia, the Gold Coast, required every home in parts of the community to install 2,000 liter rainwater tanks, just as a matter of course, right?

[0:38:07] Voice 22: we're we're going to stop short of that with this strategy I can say that fairly confidently I don't

[0:38:12] Voice 22: think we're quite there yet because of a bunch of technical issues around yield and things like that

[0:38:16] Voice 22: but where we're positioned right now is that we certainly want to be like

[0:38:21] Voice 22: encouraging of rainwater harvesting and promoting continued adaptation of it and

[0:38:28] Voice 22: I

[0:38:28] Voice 14: just want to say the important part about the anecdote about this resident is that it's the

[0:38:34] Voice 14: the disconnect that people have when my water just comes out of a tap and I

[0:38:38] Voice 14: have no relationship with how that water got there.

[0:38:40] Voice 14: Whereas if I'm responsible for monitoring my rainwater tanks and monitoring

[0:38:45] Voice 14: where my water,

[0:38:46] Voice 14: so it's about the education and understanding that water is not an infinite

[0:38:50] Voice 14: source.

[0:38:50] Voice 22: A hundred percent. Yeah. So I think, you know,

[0:38:53] Voice 22: that sentiment will definitely be seeing in the strategy we write. I,

[0:38:56] Voice 22: you know, again, just to manage expectations though, for if,

[0:38:59] Voice 22: I don't know if anyone on this call is expecting it, but you know,

[0:39:02] Voice 22: we'll probably stop short of a recommendation that everybody has to have a

[0:39:05] Voice 22: rainwater tank. You know, cause I don't,

[0:39:08] Voice 22: I just don't think we're quite there yet. Yeah.

[0:39:10] Voice 22: I have trustee Rogers and then I see trustee Wolverton as well.

[0:39:19] Trustee Rogers: Thanks. So I'm glad to hear that.

[0:39:24] Trustee Rogers: It sounds like the two themes here are how do we protect water sources and

[0:39:27] Trustee Rogers: then how does it get you?

[0:39:29] Trustee Rogers: How do we deal with the demand for water in particular uses on the ground?

[0:39:34] Trustee Rogers: And I'm very glad to hear that there's this focus on the holistic approach to this.

[0:39:40] Trustee Rogers: And I think it will, because my sense is that that's a great messaging tool to get down

[0:39:48] Trustee Rogers: to the issue that faces us on the ground all the time.

[0:39:52] Trustee Rogers: So what faces us in the local trust committees all the time is the competing interest for

[0:39:58] Trustee Rogers: the use of water, as opposed to a discussion about protection of water resources.

[0:40:03] Trustee Rogers: and so I think those are the two themes and I'm glad to hear I hear you that the strategy is

[0:40:12] Trustee Rogers: going to focus on both of those things because it's not about just the individuals and that's

[0:40:18] Trustee Rogers: what we hear all the time how is that well going to affect my well as opposed to how is this

[0:40:25] Trustee Rogers: development fit within our protection of the water resources on me so I just wanted to say that and

[0:40:33] Trustee Rogers: And thank you for your work on this and all this stuff.

[0:40:37] Voice 22: Yeah.

[0:40:38] Voice 22: So definitely sort of at a strategic level, that is definitely the, and I'm going to be

[0:40:43] Voice 22: talking about the goals and objectives in just a minute, actually.

[0:40:46] Voice 22: That's certainly the kind of overarching rubric, if you want to call it that.

[0:40:50] Voice 22: And then, you know, we'll be identifying specific actions that get more into kind of like the

[0:40:54] Voice 22: planning tools you might use to address some of those like user conflicts or kind of development

[0:41:02] Voice 22: debates at the local trust level.

[0:41:05] Voice 22: us i've lost the plot i think i had trustee johnson and then trustee wolverton is that

[0:41:10] Voice 22: correct or did trustee wolverton have her hand up first don't know i'm gonna go johnston

[0:41:16] Voice 22: johnston first then thank

[0:41:22] Trustee Johnston: you i i have to express or i want to express my uh sort of doubts that

[0:41:27] Trustee Johnston: our region-wide strategy is going to be particularly useful in any any island any

[0:41:33] Trustee Johnston: particular island but I'm hopeful if it'll have to be fairly general I think but my main concern is

[0:41:40] Trustee Johnston: if the draft will be finished in June I presume later in June rather than the very beginning of

[0:41:47] Trustee Johnston: June trust council will see it in September at that time is it a take it or leave it

[0:41:52] Trustee Johnston: is there time for adjustment to it after that

[0:41:57] Voice 22: so at the end of the day we're going to give you

[0:42:01] Voice 22: a strategy that you will approve um so if that means we have to do more work then we'll do more

[0:42:06] Voice 22: work i'd like to think that we'll just nail it on the first hit and uh you wouldn't wouldn't

[0:42:12] Voice 22: want to do anything but approve it but if we don't get there you'll tell us and we'll fix it

[0:42:17] Voice 22: okay thank you yeah uh trustee overton yeah

[0:42:22] Voice 21: just a couple of comments um we as i believe have only

[0:42:27] Voice 21: only two observation wells on Galliano Island and and they're both located in the south area so

[0:42:34] Voice 21: we would like to be able to establish some more. Right now there's a fair amount of water potable

[0:42:41] Voice 21: water being trucked onto the island because there is so much saltwater intrusion in the wells

[0:42:48] Voice 21: especially around the at the close to the shore and then we do have a requirement that in certain

[0:42:57] Voice 21: instances people have to have a certain amount of rainwater collected but there's no requirement that

[0:43:02] Voice 21: they actually have to connect it to anything so that that to me is it's a drawback i mean

[0:43:09] Voice 21: there are people collecting all kinds of water but it's not really getting a lot of uh well it's not

[0:43:16] Voice 21: coming into households very much that's all three

[0:43:21] Voice 22: very good points all of which we're thinking about

[0:43:24] Voice 22: Yeah. So the OBS wells one, observation wells, yes. So we've heard, you know, lots of interest

[0:43:35] Voice 22: in expanding, you know, hydrometric monitoring generally. That does come at a cost. So we have

[0:43:43] Voice 22: to talk about budget and who would pay for those OBS wells. And fortunately, we're gonna have a

[0:43:49] Voice 22: little discussion about resourcing at the end of the talk today, time permitting. But yes,

[0:43:53] Voice 22: we're aware of that and there's a certain issue there of like okay well we have to partner with

[0:43:57] Voice 22: other agencies to make that happen to the province but we're also talking about climate

[0:44:03] Voice 22: monitoring which is less expensive and also very useful not what you're asking about but but related

[0:44:11] Voice 22: the the issue about rainwater collection is an interesting one so you know the challenge there

[0:44:16] Voice 22: is is a broader challenge that we're having across this strategy which is islands trusts

[0:44:21] Voice 22: trusts limited authority right something everybody is not going to nod their head right away when I

[0:44:26] Voice 22: raise it but with that one as you may be are no doubt aware trustee Wolverton to to enforce that

[0:44:32] Voice 22: requirement is something that would have to be done at the regional district level with the

[0:44:36] Voice 22: building permits so there's this kind of like passing of the buck that needs to be addressed

[0:44:41] Voice 22: we have a whole section in the strategy about coordination and governance where we're taking

[0:44:46] Voice 22: some of those issues on stopping short of saying well I own this trust is going to require everybody

[0:44:51] Voice 22: to connect a rainwater tank because you can't do that so yes uh all good comments that we're

[0:44:57] Voice 22: we're thinking about what about the trucking one yeah so the trucking one is a is a tricky one and

[0:45:05] Voice 22: i actually had um uh so that's a tricky one the uh islands i mean i could spend the rest of time

[0:45:16] Voice 22: talking about that one i suppose but um again it's an area where i see islands trust having

[0:45:21] Voice 22: a fairly limited authority to prevent it right like you do have this policy statement that says

[0:45:25] Voice 22: the islands have to be self-sufficient with their water but if a resident 10 years after they've

[0:45:32] Voice 22: built their home finds that they are not self-sufficient with water for whatever reason

[0:45:37] Voice 22: they're going to have to try and do something about it and trucking is the obvious answer

[0:45:42] Voice 22: so you know there's the cost for the residents there's the the roads issues there's the safety

[0:45:47] Voice 22: safety issues, the equity issues, you know, if you have to pay all that extra money for it,

[0:45:53] Voice 22: only so many people can afford to do that. I get it. It's a tricky one. I don't have an answer for

[0:45:58] Voice 22: you right now about how we're going to deal with it in the strategy. Thank you. Trustee Langeris.

[0:46:05] Voice 22: Okay. Am

[0:46:06] Voice 22: I pronouncing that correctly?

[0:46:07] Voice 23: Along our eyes, but that's close enough. I get a lot

[0:46:11] Voice 23: of variations. Okay. Not a problem. Anyway, yeah, I'm appreciating the interest also in the water

[0:46:17] Voice 23: quality you know considering the contamination saltwater contamination are you also looking at

[0:46:23] Voice 23: the contamination from sewage because i mean we're you're focused on groundwater and of course

[0:46:29] Voice 23: the more development that occurs there's more sewage and you know we we rely on the health

[0:46:36] Voice 23: you know for the sewage treatment but you know can we enhance the requirements you know to higher

[0:46:43] Voice 23: levels of sewage treatment or not that's one of my concerns yeah

[0:46:47] Voice 22: so there is there is some

[0:46:49] Voice 22: um uh we do have some actions in the strategy draft right now related to water quality um

[0:46:56] Voice 22: the the most prominent example that we're talking about in the context of the strategy is hornby

[0:47:02] Voice 22: with the uh the work that's going on there with uh residents to do their their own monitoring with

[0:47:09] Voice 22: with some support from William Shilbaugh and your team.

[0:47:14] Voice 22: The challenge, again, an issue we can talk about

[0:47:17] Voice 22: for a long time, because we'll be talking about,

[0:47:19] Voice 22: we're kind of talking about non-point solutions.

[0:47:20] Voice 22: So just kind of this ambient water quality problems

[0:47:23] Voice 22: that are happening from septic,

[0:47:26] Voice 22: as opposed to point source pollution.

[0:47:29] Voice 22: It's a deep, deep hole that I want,

[0:47:31] Voice 22: I don't want to climb into right now,

[0:47:35] Voice 22: but we are thinking about water quality

[0:47:37] Voice 22: and the strategy, we do have some actions around it.

[0:47:39] Voice 23: But in some respects, the rainwater collection may drive people, the contamination issue may drive people to rainwater because, you know, the rainwater would potentially be less contaminated if it's done appropriately.

[0:47:53] Voice 23: Unfortunately, the contamination on the groundwater will affect other parts of the ecosystems.

[0:47:59] Voice 23: system.

[0:48:00] Voice 22: Absolutely, yeah. I do think that this, I want to just flag that Hornby Island project that

[0:48:07] Voice 22: I spoke about very briefly when I put up that flow diagram. You know, the money from Watersheds BC

[0:48:13] Voice 22: is being used in part, it's being used to fund this work, but also to fund some work on Hornby

[0:48:20] Voice 22: specifically around that issue you're talking about. And I think it's a really good illustration

[0:48:24] Voice 22: of kind of like islands trust serving a facilitating role to help the residents themselves

[0:48:31] Voice 22: do some of that work. So it's efficient with your, your time and resources. And, you know,

[0:48:36] Voice 22: the residents are able to leverage some help from William, you know, highlighting what a great

[0:48:42] Voice 22: resource he is to, you know, all of your residents. So I think that's a really good example of the

[0:48:47] Voice 22: kinds of things that can happen under the strategy. I trust you to shake and I'm looking at the clock

[0:48:53] Voice 22: and I'm running I'm running pretty long on time already um well

[0:48:58] Trustee Busheikin: I see there's one more hand there

[0:49:00] Trustee Busheikin: someone on the phone that I don't know what is so maybe we could take that and then sure

[0:49:05] Voice 27: yeah thank you

[0:49:06] Voice 27: thank you uh uh chair beshaken it's uh Peter Luck I'm chair of uh trust council here

[0:49:13] Voice 27: um uh listening to this conversation and indeed most of my concerns have been reflected by

[0:49:18] Voice 27: other trustees. Two things I'd like to highlight. Firstly, just acknowledging your acknowledgement

[0:49:27] Voice 27: and the work that was done early on in working with cultural and knowledge holders with respect

[0:49:34] Voice 27: to water. This, I think, is really a significant element of all of this work. And actually also

[0:49:41] Voice 27: also acknowledge at the same time Vice Chair Patrick's acknowledgement of those that simply

[0:49:50] Voice 27: don't have access to water. But water is this ethereal thing that is 90% of what human beings

[0:49:57] Voice 27: are made up of and is so fundamental to all of our well-being, physical and spiritual. And so

[0:50:05] Voice 27: So hope that rather than the dichotomy of them and us and mine and yours and development and human beings and all of these other things,

[0:50:15] Voice 27: that this is a theme that we can, like a touchstone that we can come back to,

[0:50:20] Voice 27: because that connectedness to water and nature is something that generally in Western society we've disconnected ourselves from.

[0:50:29] Voice 27: And I think that that connection is important, which puts significant weight on the broader reasons why we should be reflecting and thinking about how we're using water and planning strategically in embracing that cultural knowledge that is applicable to all human beings, as well as, of course, First Nations throughout the region.

[0:50:52] Voice 27: But I also want to acknowledge what you said there about trucking water and the dichotomy there is trucking water versus rainwater catchment and naturally processing rainwater catchment for potable use.

[0:51:07] Voice 27: Because, of course, the carbon footprint associated with trucking water changes that whole dynamic. And certainly there's a longer term investment in catching water and processing water for potable use.

[0:51:20] Voice 27: But given our climate change situation and circumstances and indeed the health of the aquifers, this trucking of water option is just less and less palatable.

[0:51:31] Voice 27: And so I hope you're able to identify some of those more subtle details that I think would potentially help us in our conversations with the province about the necessity to have more flexibility around the potable water, what sources of water might be used or managed in a way to handle potable water.

[0:51:54] Voice 27: and then of course also the management of grey water which i'm not totally sure was

[0:51:59] Voice 27: spoken of here as well but of course that's a water source as well so thank you very much and

[0:52:03] Voice 27: i'm really pleased to see so many trustees um interested in this topic to be here today and

[0:52:08] Voice 27: thank you uh uh chair bushaken for organizing it okay

[0:52:15] Voice 22: um i better uh plow ahead uh thank you for

[0:52:19] Voice 22: um those insights uh chair luckham and uh yeah the trucking one i'm gonna definitely

[0:52:26] Voice 22: it's on our mind, but it's more on my mind after this call. So I'm going to take that one away and

[0:52:30] Voice 22: see what we can do with it. I'm going to go back to sharing screens, if that's okay.

[0:52:42] Voice 22: Okay. So I want to give me a thumbs up if you can see my screen, please. Yeah. Okay. I want to go

[0:52:48] Voice 22: back to talking about the strategy goals and objectives. And as expected, I'm going a bit

[0:52:53] Voice 22: long on time. So I'm going to go through this section of it fairly quickly, because the last

[0:52:56] Voice 22: last section of my talk today is about strategy actions and resourcing, which is what I really

[0:53:03] Voice 22: need your input on. So I'm just going to hit this one fairly quickly, as it's something we've talked

[0:53:06] Voice 22: about fairly extensively already in the course of the strategy, and in fact, already in this call.

[0:53:11] Voice 22: So the strategy itself, as sort of Trustee Rogers was alluding to, is framed by some overarching

[0:53:20] Voice 22: goals and objectives. And so these have been developed iteratively with the Strategy Advisory

[0:53:25] Voice 22: advisory roundtable over the spring. We've had a few discussions about this. So the goals are the

[0:53:31] Voice 22: endpoints that the program is trying to achieve. So it's the ultimate state we're trying to get to.

[0:53:36] Voice 22: And the objectives, of which there are more, are the means by which the goals are intended to be

[0:53:41] Voice 22: met. So I'm going to talk about each of those in turn, starting with goals. Now, I'm surprising

[0:53:48] Voice 22: you with this, so I'm going to go through them and read them out. And I just want to get, you know,

[0:53:53] Voice 22: I know this is your first exposure to them, but I'd like to just get a quick sense of whether you think just on first blush, seeing them today, you think we're hitting the mark.

[0:54:04] Voice 22: So there are four goals. The first starts with ecosystem protection.

[0:54:08] Voice 22: So we want to protect the ecosystems and the overall health of watersheds and groundwater in the Iowas Trust Area.

[0:54:13] Voice 22: The second one is we want to collaborate with First Nations and Indigenous organizations to

[0:54:20] Voice 22: create understanding of cultural and spiritual values about water and how they interrelate to

[0:54:25] Voice 22: ecosystems and community well-being and decision making. The third one is about drinking water

[0:54:32] Voice 22: specifically. So we want to preserve or enhance, those words are picked deliberately, quantity and

[0:54:39] Voice 22: quality of drinking water sources for current and future trust area residents. Drinking water,

[0:54:45] Voice 22: water, in my experience in working, like, I don't, you know, each of you have your own concerns that

[0:54:51] Voice 22: you think are most prominent. But even if your concern is primarily with ecosystems, it is

[0:54:59] Voice 22: very important. And we know that ecosystems protection is the start of drinking water

[0:55:03] Voice 22: protection. That's obvious, probably to many of us from all of us on this call. But drinking water

[0:55:08] Voice 22: is definitely something that resonates with residents. So we always want to make sure that

[0:55:13] Voice 22: we keep that at the center of the target. So preserve or enhance quality and quantity of

[0:55:18] Voice 22: drinking water sources for current and future trust area residents. And the fourth one is to

[0:55:23] Voice 22: enable British Columbians to enjoy the island's water for recreation, aesthetic, and spiritual

[0:55:29] Voice 22: purposes. Okay, so cross your fingers, we're going to try something now. We're going to do a little

[0:55:37] Voice 22: survey if everything goes according to plan. And so I'm going to ask that only the trustees vote

[0:55:41] Voice 22: vote in this survey. I know there's some staff members and others on the call, but if you guys

[0:55:45] Voice 22: can abstain from this, I'd appreciate it. And if I can ask you to vote on a scale of one to five,

[0:55:52] Voice 22: so five is most satisfied and one is most unsatisfied, your overall satisfaction with

[0:56:00] Voice 22: those strategy goals that I just presented to you. Alain, go for it.

[0:56:04] Voice 8: I'm going to launch the poll and

[0:56:06] Voice 8: I'll just say there's actually two questions in this poll, but I'm going to ask you to answer

[0:56:09] Voice 8: are only one because the second question is for is for later it's about the objectives so just

[0:56:14] Voice 8: answer just the poll question number one just

[0:56:16] Voice 22: the poll question the scale is one to five five is

[0:56:19] Voice 22: most happy one is least happy and so i'll give you a moment to uh to look at that you can move

[0:56:27] Voice 22: that box around if you want to be able to see uh the goals on the screen so i'm just going to give

[0:56:31] Voice 22: everybody like two minutes to uh to look at that and elaine you're able to see uh how the votes

[0:56:39] Voice 22: are rolling in there uh

[0:56:42] Voice 8: yeah i'll be able to see as people vote let

[0:56:44] Voice 22: me know when we're getting to

[0:56:45] Voice 22: uh some kind of a i don't know how many trustees we have on the call so sure mine at the

[0:56:50] Trustee Johnston: bottom

[0:56:51] Trustee Johnston: says hosts and panelists cannot vote and i can't i can't uh indicate my vote okay is anybody else

[0:57:01] Trustee Johnston: having that

[0:57:02] Voice 21: problem same with me yeah me too all

[0:57:06] Voice 22: right okay

[0:57:08] Trustee Stamford: um

[0:57:09] Voice 22: so there might be a uh a little uh

[0:57:12] Voice 22: drop down at the bottom there we'll get we'll so my first rule with zoom glitches is don't panic

[0:57:24] Voice 22: don't panic but give us a second we'll see if we can sort it out

[0:57:28] Voice 8: Yeah, I wonder, Dionne, if this is something that's in the settings on Zoom.

[0:57:32] Voice 8: It might be something that you look at in the meeting invite of who's allowed to poll.

[0:57:38] Trustee Stamford: Yeah, I'm just taking a look right now.

[0:57:40] Trustee Stamford: Awesome, thanks.

[0:57:42] Trustee Patrick: What's up there.

[0:57:44] Voice 22: All right, we'll give that like 30 seconds.

[0:57:46] Voice 22: And if it doesn't work,

[0:57:46] Voice 22: we'll go to Trustee Fenton's plan B, which I don't mind at all.

[0:57:51] Trustee Busheikin: Also, I'm seeing the objectives on the screen, but I've wanted to see the goals on the screen.

[0:57:57] Trustee Busheikin: I know it's a lot for you guys to deal with solving your glitch you might be able to scroll

[0:58:03] Trustee Busheikin: up and down Laura um I somehow see it now oh

[0:58:07] Voice 22: that's me that's just

[0:58:08] Voice 22: that's just straightforward

[0:58:09] Voice 22: user era okay uh so we're still not able to vote so I think we'll go to plan yeah

[0:58:17] Trustee Patrick: I'm not finding

[0:58:17] Trustee Patrick: anything in particular to change how how no

[0:58:21] Voice 22: worries sorry no worries we uh we've done this

[0:58:24] Voice 22: with good success in some other sessions, but this is a webinar format as opposed to a Zoom

[0:58:29] Voice 22: meeting format. So that's where the issue lies. Okay. So if I can ask everybody to just go to

[0:58:33] Voice 22: the chat function and just put a one or a one, two, three, four, or five, same question.

[0:58:40] Voice 22: The only downside is now we're going to know what you think. It won't be anonymous. So sorry.

[0:58:53] Voice 22: All right. Well, so far we're off to a good start.

[0:58:58] Voice 22: So,

[0:59:03] Voice 27: Peter Luck, I'm here. I'm on my phone, so I don't really have the ability to weigh in on this, and I missed part of it because I was being distracted. What are we actually voting on, and how many people are voting, given that this is a committee with an excessive number of members

[0:59:34] Voice 27: that represent a quorum of council and if this is a decision making or direction opportunity for

[0:59:41] Voice 27: a quorum of council i'm just concerned about that that uh the legislative requirement around

[0:59:49] Voice 27: decision making sure

[0:59:51] Voice 22: yeah fair uh fair comment and so to be absolutely clear for everybody's

[0:59:55] Voice 22: benefit this is not in any way shape or form decision making it's simply

[0:59:59] Voice 22: we

[1:00:00] Voice 22: a quiz or a poll to calling it a vote is inappropriate.

[1:00:06] Voice 22: It's a poll to sort of get a test

[1:00:09] Voice 22: of how you think we're landing on these goals.

[1:00:15] Voice 22: Okay,

[1:00:17] Voice 27: so thank you.

[1:00:19] Voice 27: That clarity is important.

[1:00:20] Voice 27: And whether there's a, you know, just for,

[1:00:23] Voice 27: you know, and I apologize to everybody for raising this,

[1:00:27] Voice 27: but it is important.

[1:00:28] Voice 27: important. Whether or not we vote on anything is not necessarily material. It's whether or not

[1:00:34] Voice 27: we're advancing the business of council. And so we have to be careful about that. So I'll just

[1:00:39] Voice 27: say that and let you continue.

[1:00:41] Voice 22: Yeah, absolutely fair. So, you know,

[1:00:44] Voice 22: to be completely, you know, for the absence of doubt, it's simply just a test of the waters.

[1:00:51] Voice 27: Thank you.

[1:00:53] Voice 22: Okay, so I've got about half a dozen of you weighing in and everybody seems pretty happy.

[1:01:02] Voice 22: And I see a few specific comments there which we'll take on board.

[1:01:09] Voice 22: So thank you for that and apologies that the technology didn't go quite as planned but

[1:01:13] Voice 22: what do you do in times of COVID? Okay, let's talk briefly about the objectives and I think

[1:01:21] Voice 22: we'll probably dispense with the voting on this one just for time if nothing else. So the objectives,

[1:01:31] Voice 22: there are more of the objectives as you can see seven of them here. I won't read each of them in

[1:01:36] Voice 22: detail but I'll just flag some of the highlights if that's okay. So the first is to understand

[1:01:43] Voice 22: respect Indigenous cultural knowledge and community knowledge about water resources.

[1:01:47] Voice 22: The second concerns using information and knowledge about the quality and quantity to

[1:01:51] Voice 22: improve the information knowledge about quantity and quality of water resources.

[1:01:57] Voice 22: The third one is about education and awareness and you'll see that that's

[1:02:00] Voice 22: then reflected in some actions around education awareness and outreach in the actions coming up

[1:02:06] Voice 22: in a moment. Then we want to use the best available information to protect watersheds

[1:02:11] Voice 22: and water resources and land use planning and development decisions. So land use planning is

[1:02:16] Voice 22: obviously at the core of Islands Trust's work and so we want to make sure that we're using

[1:02:19] Voice 22: that information to affect that. To the point earlier about water quality, you can see that

[1:02:27] Voice 22: we've got a specific point about quality here. Then we've got a point about improving coordination

[1:02:32] Voice 22: of efforts among the various government agencies with jurisdiction authority over water resources.

[1:02:36] Voice 22: So yes, this is about protection of water resources, but it's also about efficient decision

[1:02:43] Voice 22: making and effective decision making. And so we've heard from, for example, some of the representatives

[1:02:49] Voice 22: from the development community about instances

[1:02:51] Voice 22: where there's misalignment of approval processes

[1:02:53] Voice 22: where things could be done more efficiently

[1:02:57] Voice 22: with better coordination.

[1:02:58] Voice 22: So we're also taking that on board.

[1:03:00] Voice 22: And then final point concerns,

[1:03:02] Voice 22: cumulative effects and climate change.

[1:03:08] Voice 22: So we were gonna have a vote on that,

[1:03:11] Voice 22: but I think we'll dispense with that,

[1:03:13] Voice 22: but maybe I'll see if there's any quick thoughts on that

[1:03:17] Voice 22: before we dive into the next section.

[1:03:20] Voice 22: Trustee Fenton, you've got your hand up.

[1:03:22] Trustee Fenton: Yes, just is there a sense of urgency?

[1:03:26] Trustee Fenton: What's the time frame?

[1:03:27] Trustee Fenton: I mean, we know when we're looking at potentially having this strategy, but in this whole conversation,

[1:03:34] Trustee Fenton: especially with the local government's coordination and other issues, I mean, this is not a 10-year horizon.

[1:03:43] Trustee Fenton: You know, we're lucky to see five-year horizon, right?

[1:03:45] Trustee Fenton: This is like, should have been done 10 years ago.

[1:03:48] Trustee Fenton: So is that the tone of conversation or where are we at on that?

[1:03:54] Voice 22: Yes. So, you know, first of all, we're doing this strategy very quickly.

[1:03:59] Voice 22: You know, we're start to finish six months, which is quick for this kind of work.

[1:04:06] Voice 22: Part of that's driven by the fact this provincial money has some timelines on it.

[1:04:12] Voice 22: It needs to be spent within a certain amount of time.

[1:04:14] Voice 22: But it also reflects the urgency of the situation on the ground.

[1:04:18] Voice 22: And the strategy itself will have an implementation section that will talk about staging or prioritization.

[1:04:29] Voice 22: And we will have some recommendations for you on like what actions need to be advanced as the highest priority.

[1:04:39] Voice 22: Any other thoughts on those objectives? Maybe I should put them back up on screen.

[1:05:03] Voice 22: Trustee Fenton again?

[1:05:04] Voice 22: Yeah,

[1:05:07] Trustee Fenton: just once again, just in passing, maybe the whole need for the education, the crossover with Indigenous worldview, you know, I think the more we can get the residents that are non-Indigenous to be actually at or present when the elders and or the kids are, you know, the young women, the up and coming adolescents that are out protecting the water.

[1:05:34] Trustee Fenton: and they start making that connection i think you know i think that there's a lot of potential value

[1:05:39] Trustee Fenton: to help hasten our learning you know speed up our learning uh and give people a sense of need

[1:05:47] Trustee Fenton: um and less sort of conflicting you know it's my well so stay away can

[1:05:56] Voice 22: i um i wonder if i could

[1:05:58] Voice 22: put trustee uh chair boucher and trustee patrick or uh trustee stamford on the spot a little bit

[1:06:03] Voice 22: that we did have quite a bit of discussion about these goals and objectives in the SAR meetings.

[1:06:08] Voice 22: And I wonder if you have any thoughts on the process we've used to develop them and where

[1:06:12] Voice 22: you think we're at with them. Do they look better now than they did at the start? And do you think

[1:06:16] Voice 22: we're pretty close?

[1:06:22] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah. I mean, they definitely have evolved and I think come out of then changed

[1:06:31] Trustee Busheikin: And, you know, I think they've evolved in response to input from the group.

[1:06:38] Trustee Busheikin: That's really, I'm not really being that helpful here.

[1:06:42] Trustee Busheikin: And I'm sorry, but, yeah, I don't have my finger on the pulse.

[1:06:48] Trustee Busheikin: Like, I can't honestly say I remember the different stages they went through.

[1:06:52] Trustee Busheikin: I know we've discussed them quite a bit.

[1:06:53] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:06:57] Trustee Stamford: Yeah, if I remember correctly, it's Trustee Sanford here.

[1:07:00] Trustee Stamford: i mean i think sometimes we it's hard to get beyond the linear nature of these and and if they

[1:07:10] Trustee Stamford: are formed in a more grouped um method i think people will understand that they're a little bit

[1:07:16] Trustee Stamford: more holistic than they first come out it's that difference between goals and objectives and um

[1:07:23] Trustee Stamford: you know it could do maybe with a bit more massaging but i i do recognize that um we we

[1:07:29] Trustee Stamford: We have continued to work on this quite a bit.

[1:07:32] Trustee Stamford: I

[1:07:35] Trustee Patrick: would just like to add, I think the voices around the table have been the powerful piece

[1:07:41] Trustee Patrick: of having a developer sit there and be able to say what it's like to be on the receiving

[1:07:47] Trustee Patrick: end of our work and be heard and to hear the cultural knowledge holders and so forth.

[1:07:54] Trustee Patrick: I think it is evolving and I think the process has been powerful by having that round table

[1:08:01] Trustee Patrick: able looking at each other and uh and listening and i will just add one

[1:08:06] Trustee Busheikin: thing um that the uh

[1:08:08] Trustee Busheikin: the session we had with the cultural knowledge holders was just a few working days away and so

[1:08:14] Trustee Busheikin: we haven't um you know we haven't yet integrated that and the team hasn't integrated that to

[1:08:22] Trustee Busheikin: see how that's going to um you know flow into what we're doing it's impossible not to use water

[1:08:28] Trustee Busheikin: metaphors all the time when we're doing this so um it's funny but it will yes it will flow into our

[1:08:35] Trustee Busheikin: work um and uh i think i think for a lot of us i mean kirk spoke to the fact that it was a new way

[1:08:44] Trustee Busheikin: of working and i for me it was also to not just do linear consultation like wait we do consultation

[1:08:52] Trustee Busheikin: we send something out we have a form they send back feedback we did this very different thing

[1:08:57] Trustee Busheikin: um so i'm i think that uh that will be i think percolating into our work for a while because

[1:09:06] Trustee Busheikin: it was different and it i would say engaged um more of the whole it was more holistic uh so less

[1:09:13] Trustee Busheikin: linear sure

[1:09:16] Voice 22: and i'm definitely feeling the the pressure i suppose of doing justice to that

[1:09:21] Voice 22: and incorporating into the strategy as i've spoken with lisa about but we'll do our best

[1:09:26] Voice 22: Okay, I am a bit conscious of time, so I'm going to jump ahead, if that's okay.

[1:09:33] Voice 22: I do want to get a bit of feedback from you about kind of the actions and the resourcing

[1:09:39] Voice 22: with the limited time we've got left.

[1:09:41] Trustee Busheikin: And just, Kirk, just before you can, just to point out, I don't think you need to respond

[1:09:45] Trustee Busheikin: to it, but just so that you make sure that you've seen there were some comments in the

[1:09:49] Trustee Busheikin: chat about the goals of not just preserving, protecting, but also maybe enhancing.

[1:09:54] Trustee Busheikin: advancing yes and

[1:09:55] Trustee Busheikin: just i wanted to know to make sure that you you flag that and you see that

[1:09:59] Trustee Busheikin: because it's worth considering it is i

[1:10:01] Voice 22: did see that and and alan has is taking notes as we go

[1:10:05] Voice 22: and i'm trying to and

[1:10:06] Voice 22: and uh we'll we'll take a uh save the chat if that's all right and good yeah

[1:10:11] Voice 8: i have an eye on the chat i've been taking notes excellent

[1:10:14] Voice 22: so uh the strategy is organized around

[1:10:17] Voice 22: once we get past these kind of strategic goals and objectives it's organized around four themes

[1:10:21] Voice 22: means. So these are really the areas where Islands Trust can do stuff. This is an Islands Trust

[1:10:26] Voice 22: strategy and Islands Trust doesn't have access to the military, for example. So that's not an

[1:10:32] Voice 22: option. We would use it necessarily, but it's just not an option. So the things that you do have

[1:10:38] Voice 22: ability to do is planning policy. You're able to gather and collect information. You're able to do

[1:10:45] Voice 22: communication and outreach with residents. And you're able to coordinate and work with other

[1:10:50] Voice 22: agencies who have powers of their own, like the provincial government for example, right.

[1:10:56] Voice 22: So we've taken those four themes and under those four themes as we've worked through the project

[1:11:02] Voice 22: we've been gathering all of these various options of activities or actions that Iowans Trust could

[1:11:09] Voice 22: engage in at all manner of level of detail. So we gathered those from the literature review that we

[1:11:17] Voice 22: we conducted in the beginning, the stakeholder interviews that we conducted early on in the

[1:11:21] Voice 22: process, and from staff and the workshops that we've gone through. Okay. And so at a certain

[1:11:27] Voice 22: point, mid-project, we had a list of 150 options. That's a lot. That's more than

[1:11:36] Voice 22: anybody has the capacity to take on. And some of them were kind of more important than others.

[1:11:45] Voice 22: so we put those through a filter working with the project team and we also had some discussion with

[1:11:52] Voice 22: this advisory roundtable at the last meeting so the filter that we used is like how effective

[1:11:57] Voice 22: is this option likely to be how much will it cost and how easy or difficult is it to implement so

[1:12:04] Voice 22: for example how many other agencies would have to be involved and through that evaluation progress

[1:12:11] Voice 22: we now have a short list of 26 actions, which is still quite a few, but we're, I think, getting

[1:12:20] Voice 22: much closer towards our final list. Now, I thought it would be a bit overwhelming to

[1:12:28] Voice 22: pile all 26 of those on you today with the limited time we've got. And anyways, we have to go through

[1:12:34] Voice 22: another step with them with the SAR next week. So they're really a little bit undercooked to be

[1:12:40] Voice 22: tabling today. But I'll give you some examples. So under the data information and knowledge heading,

[1:12:47] Voice 22: for example, we've got an action to continue to conduct the groundwater recharge mapping

[1:12:52] Voice 22: that is already underway across all of the islands. So that's an example of a fairly

[1:12:58] Voice 22: technical action, which seems to be almost a no-brainer to me, and work that's underway in

[1:13:09] Voice 22: in any case.

[1:13:10] Voice 22: Under the policy planning

[1:13:12] Voice 22: and operational decision-making heading,

[1:13:14] Voice 22: an example would be improving the availability

[1:13:16] Voice 22: of water-related information support development

[1:13:17] Voice 22: application reviews, right?

[1:13:19] Voice 22: So that's how, that'll be

[1:13:20] Voice 22: an action that,

[1:13:21] Voice 22: there'll be more detail under that,

[1:13:22] Voice 22: that we'll talk about how that water information

[1:13:25] Voice 22: you've got can affect the various kinds of reviews.

[1:13:31] Voice 22: Under the governance and coordination heading,

[1:13:34] Voice 22: work with regulatory agencies

[1:13:35] Voice 22: to harmonize application processes

[1:13:37] Voice 22: and integrate water management into decision-making.

[1:13:39] Voice 22: So again, there'll be more supporting detail. I'm just trying to give you the flavor.

[1:13:43] Voice 22: And then finally, under communication and outreach, we've had a lot of discussion about this one, about the need to develop an outreach strategy for islanders to explain why water protection is important, how the islands are unique.

[1:13:58] Voice 22: And then specific outreach to like new residents, for example, visitors, and even new trustees has been talked about quite a bit.

[1:14:09] Voice 22: so again i'm not going to pile all 26 on you right now i'm certainly not going to pile on all the

[1:14:13] Voice 22: supporting detail that goes behind that that'll all be fleshed out in the strategy that you're

[1:14:17] Voice 22: going to see in due course but i did want to give you the flavor what i'd love to get some feedback

[1:14:22] Voice 22: on though is um uh this kind of reality lens that we're trying to put on it right now so

[1:14:30] Voice 22: you've got a small rate base uh compared to other people we've worked with you know there's not that

[1:14:35] Voice 22: that many people living on the gulf islands compared to say couch and valley regional district

[1:14:41] Voice 22: so you know we we're cognizant that resources are limited and we're cognizant that islands

[1:14:46] Voice 22: trust authority is limited so um with the limited time we've got left i just want to

[1:14:52] Voice 22: briefly take you through these these tiers that we're using so tier one uh is uh you know each

[1:14:59] Voice 22: one of the um the actions that we've got is getting a tier assigned to it tier one are ones

[1:15:04] Voice 22: that are kind of no-brainers. They're ones that can be done with the existing staff and the budgets

[1:15:08] Voice 22: that you're currently allocating. And a lot of those fall under the heading of knowledge and

[1:15:13] Voice 22: information. Tier two are ones that are relatively low cost with obvious benefits. So they're things

[1:15:19] Voice 22: that we think are within reach with a modest increase in resources. Tier three are things

[1:15:25] Voice 22: that we think are good ideas, but they seem costly or complicated. And really there's a few tier three

[1:15:31] Voice 22: options that have made their way into the final 26. And then tier four things that we've just

[1:15:37] Voice 22: left on the cutting room floor that are either very difficult to implement or perhaps outside

[1:15:41] Voice 22: of Islands Trust's sphere of influence. So you know that's the reality lens that we're imposing

[1:15:47] Voice 22: and I'll just give you a quick idea of kind of what that looks like. So no-brainers

[1:15:52] Voice 22: are things like the current budget you've got for water science work is about 50 grand.

[1:15:59] Voice 22: And I understand that that's non-recurring budget, but it's about the amount of money that you've

[1:16:04] Voice 22: been spending for the last few years. So we've just assumed that that would continue into the

[1:16:07] Voice 22: future despite the fact that it's currently not recurring. And that would all be accomplished

[1:16:13] Voice 22: with your existing FTE count and other resources. Tier 2 assumes a relatively, what I would call

[1:16:24] Voice 22: relatively modest increase of budget of about $100,000 to about $150,000. How did we get up

[1:16:30] Voice 22: that number? It's a round number, but it's also more or less in the same ballpark as what other

[1:16:36] Voice 22: the regional districts around you, specifically Cowichan and RDN, are spending per parcel. So

[1:16:47] Voice 22: RDN and CDRD are charging in the vicinity of $10 a parcel for this kind of work, right? So $10

[1:16:56] Voice 22: per parcel, the cost of three coffees. And things that we could add onto the list with that would

[1:17:05] Voice 22: include, for example, this communication and outreach program that we've heard a lot of

[1:17:08] Voice 22: support for. Tier three, you know, more than that. Okay. So in the vicinity of say $200,000

[1:17:17] Voice 22: to take you up to a quarter minute. And then tier four, well, those are things that are more of a

[1:17:23] Voice 22: stretch. So we've got about 10 minutes left. I'd just like to see where we can get to with that

[1:17:30] Voice 22: amount of time to just get a bit of a bead from you as the people that would ultimately get past

[1:17:35] Voice 22: with approving this strategy and also thinking about how it would be resourced. You know really

[1:17:39] Voice 22: let's focus on question two and three there. What's the right level of resourcing for this

[1:17:45] Voice 22: strategy? About the same as current, a little bit more, or a lot more? And I think part and

[1:17:51] Voice 22: parcel is how likely are residents to support increasing resources for water management

[1:18:04] Voice 9: i

[1:18:04] Voice 22: see a couple of hands up but i'm not sure if those are residual hands or new hands trustee

[1:18:10] Voice 22: patrick trustee benton and trustee peterson uh trustee patrick i think you do have no actually

[1:18:16] Trustee Patrick: doug fenton was up first okay unless he was residual oh he took his hand down

[1:18:22] Voice 22: i think he

[1:18:22] Voice 22: might have been residual so i'm

[1:18:23] Trustee Patrick: going to go to you

[1:18:24] Voice 22: first all

[1:18:25] Trustee Patrick: right um i think one is we should

[1:18:29] Trustee Patrick: never fear the word ease of implementation or that be a driver this is supposed to be a 10-year plan

[1:18:34] Trustee Patrick: and to me that means having to tackle some of the more bold innovative things that need to be done

[1:18:40] Trustee Patrick: we have a climate emergency we have a we have a housing emergency we have the world is falling

[1:18:44] Trustee Patrick: falling apart around us. So taking the easy road out isn't the answer. The other piece of this is

[1:18:52] Trustee Patrick: that our mandate says in cooperation with. We have to work with others. And so I think there

[1:19:00] Trustee Patrick: are some difficult things that have to be dealt with, and we just have to pull up our sleeves and

[1:19:04] Trustee Patrick: work well with others. When we work well with others, I think then we have a better position

[1:19:11] Trustee Patrick: of arguing the cost of spending more money whether it's our money or we're working with

[1:19:17] Trustee Patrick: a regional district or we're working with the the the rate payers associate whoever is in uh you

[1:19:22] Trustee Patrick: know in that money collecting realm that like i said if we work well together our programs are

[1:19:28] Trustee Patrick: integrated we put that thought into it we can sell it better uh

[1:19:35] Voice 22: share for shake and i'm not

[1:19:36] Voice 22: sure who was next i

[1:19:39] Trustee Busheikin: think it was trustee peterson thank

[1:19:42] Voice 22: you i

[1:19:43] Trustee Busheikin: may be wrong i think it's okay

[1:19:47] Trustee Busheikin: thank

[1:19:47] Voice 3: you so i i just i just want to agree with that trustee patrick there and and um

[1:19:55] Voice 3: and sort of the the part about uh the resourcing i i mean i feel like we definitely need to um

[1:20:02] Voice 3: consider adding more resources to this strategy and how we're going to implement it.

[1:20:08] Voice 3: I think that's what's key to getting that to fly in terms of constituents is

[1:20:18] Voice 3: really focusing on that outreach and education is really key to getting the buy-in for increasing

[1:20:27] Voice 3: increasing the resources that we're that we're able to you know justify putting into this so i

[1:20:32] Voice 3: i really think that part is that's really really important to to getting the buy-in thank you for

[1:20:39] Voice 22: that comment and i think that the the outreach piece to me is is the best illustration of that

[1:20:44] Voice 22: point uh just as you've made it um and it's the outreach piece comes up uh over and over again

[1:20:50] Voice 22: through the work we're doing everybody seems to agree that that's important we also see it

[1:20:55] Voice 22: happening in the other communities I've spoken with. So regional district of Nanaimo is probably

[1:20:59] Voice 22: setting the standard in the province around watershed outreach. And the reason they're

[1:21:06] Voice 22: able to do that is because they resource it. So that work, you can say, well, we'll use existing

[1:21:14] Voice 22: channels like the website and things like that, but to do outreach effectively does require

[1:21:19] Voice 22: resources. So I think that is a very important point to make. Trustee Johnson.

[1:21:25] Trustee Johnston: I want to speak, especially for the tier two type projects, to having communities be involved.

[1:21:33] Trustee Johnston: You know, if the trust actually does all the information, prints it up in a nice form and presents it to people, it has much less impact than if communities do some work themselves.

[1:21:44] Trustee Johnston: And by communities, I might mean entire islands or it might be areas of an island.

[1:21:50] Trustee Johnston: and I think we can get a lot of work done that way by presenting some information on an island

[1:21:57] Trustee Johnston: getting people interested asking some questions and suggesting some research so that's it

[1:22:05] Voice 22: couldn't agree more and again I'd also point back to RDN on that one as well in that they

[1:22:10] Voice 22: allocate resources specifically to help stewardship groups with information collection

[1:22:15] Voice 22: for example, so boots and streams, and with outreach.

[1:22:20] Voice 22: And as well, they support their improvement districts

[1:22:23] Voice 22: and other water purveyors who are important pieces

[1:22:27] Voice 22: that we haven't really talked about today.

[1:22:28] Voice 22: But you have this whole other legion of people involved

[1:22:32] Voice 22: in water management in your improvement districts.

[1:22:34] Voice 22: And currently they're unorganized.

[1:22:37] Voice 22: They don't have that leadership,

[1:22:39] Voice 22: which I think is right along the lines

[1:22:41] Voice 22: of what you're saying, Trustee Johnston.

[1:22:42] Voice 22: just

[1:22:51] Trustee Busheikin: a time check you probably know this it is 11 24 and

[1:22:59] Voice 22: it looks like people are running out

[1:23:00] Voice 22: of things to say about five minutes before i'm scheduled to finish which

[1:23:03] Trustee Busheikin: i'm gonna put

[1:23:04] Trustee Busheikin: i have a comment then just in answer to your question um is that i i actually think that

[1:23:11] Trustee Busheikin: we should be bold and and go for the higher tiers and i i like the idea of having it as a separate

[1:23:18] Trustee Busheikin: um category so i my understanding is what you're proposing is it would be a tax requisition

[1:23:24] Trustee Busheikin: um if it's just part of the islands trust budgeting process it becomes very political

[1:23:29] Trustee Busheikin: and every trust council will feel differently about it and it'll become part of that tussle for

[1:23:34] Trustee Busheikin: what do we spend money on this year you know there's so many things that desperately need

[1:23:39] Trustee Busheikin: to be done but if it's just like swipa like if it's his own funding source that residents have

[1:23:45] Trustee Busheikin: have approved it's it's safe from all that and it's not going to be positioned as either or and

[1:23:52] Trustee Busheikin: that it's a competition it's either housing or water it's either water or forest like it

[1:23:58] Trustee Busheikin: it steps out of that which i think is important because water underlies everything yeah and for

[1:24:05] Voice 22: clarity i i'm not i don't think it's my role to sort of like you know tell you how to go about

[1:24:10] Voice 22: doing your budgeting um so i'm not necessarily proposing that you do it that way what i what i

[1:24:16] Voice 22: am saying is that i you know i can say with good authority that this work is cannot be done for

[1:24:21] Voice 22: free um so it will there will you know be resource requirements for it if you want to if you want to

[1:24:27] Voice 22: lift your game you know you've got a not bad game right now some of the work that that william is

[1:24:31] Voice 22: doing or all the work that william's doing is great and you have you know we haven't heard from

[1:24:35] Voice 22: that guy here yet today, but he's doing some phenomenal work for you. So you've already got

[1:24:41] Voice 22: some gain. If you want to lift that gain, it's going to require additional resources. So that's

[1:24:46] Voice 22: one thing I can tell you with dead certainty. The other thing I can tell you is that the

[1:24:51] Voice 22: communities around you are going the route of establishing these special funds. However,

[1:24:57] Voice 22: it's also important to point out that they are regional districts working under the Local

[1:25:00] Voice 22: government act not under the islands trust act and so they're set up differently um they do

[1:25:06] Voice 22: they need to set up a service uh under the old government act in order to do this work

[1:25:11] Voice 22: so uh i like i'm aware that um you know with salt spring with the swipa process i understand

[1:25:17] Voice 22: there's been a special requisition there to fund swipa so there is a bit of a history of doing

[1:25:21] Voice 22: a special fund if you will but it's really not my i'm this is out of my area of expertise to kind of

[1:25:27] Voice 22: tell you exactly how to go about funding the work. I think that's something you'd have to sort out

[1:25:32] Voice 22: internally later. Yeah. Okay. I think I've run the clock pretty much out to be shaken and maybe I

[1:25:43] Voice 22: would just finish by once again, thanking Marissa and William in particular for all the support on

[1:25:52] Voice 22: the project. It's just been a complete pleasure working with them. I want to thank Lisa again for

[1:25:59] Voice 22: for her support for the engagement with First Nations.

[1:26:03] Voice 22: And I want to thank you, Trustee Bishakin,

[1:26:06] Voice 22: for the opportunity today and the rest of the committee

[1:26:08] Voice 22: for making some time for us.

[1:26:11] Trustee Busheikin: Well, thank you also Kirk and Ilan,

[1:26:14] Trustee Busheikin: who's been working away also

[1:26:17] Trustee Busheikin: for all the work you've done so far.

[1:26:20] Voice 22: Pleasure.

[1:26:22] Voice 22: My email address is available

[1:26:23] Voice 22: if anybody has any thoughts

[1:26:24] Voice 22: that they want to pipe to me clandestinely or otherwise.

[1:26:28] Voice 22: wise. And I have made a PDF of the deck available already, which I think will be available to you.

[1:26:37] Voice 22: And we have an agenda package coming out Friday with all of the actions, which is really the

[1:26:44] Voice 22: meat and potatoes of the whole thing. If anybody's dying to see that early, you know,

[1:26:49] Voice 22: Trustee Johnston, I'm now cognizant of your question earlier about how many kicks at the

[1:26:53] Voice 22: can does trust council get at this so uh you know if uh if anybody would like to see the details a

[1:27:00] Voice 22: little earlier let us know we got them to you okay i guess we'll sign off now robert uh land do you

[1:27:10] Voice 22: need to give back hosting privileges before we do that i

[1:27:14] Voice 7: don't think so because i'm just a co-host

[1:27:15] Voice 7: so i think i can leave without messing anything up

[1:27:18] Voice 22: we'll leave you too and appreciate your time

[1:27:20] Voice 22: thank you

[1:27:20] Voice 7: thanks okay well

[1:27:28] Trustee Busheikin: um thanks everyone for participating i'm i'm thrilled with the

[1:27:32] Trustee Busheikin: time keeping i should take inspiration um from that and aim to keep that being uh so accurate

[1:27:40] Trustee Busheikin: with our timing uh so speaking of which we have lunch scheduled at noon and so i'm just going to

[1:27:46] Trustee Busheikin: to keep us moving through our agenda um although like do we need a four literally four minute

[1:27:54] Trustee Busheikin: bio break for bladders and such things does someone anyone can wave a physical hand or put

[1:28:03] Trustee Busheikin: your hand up if you feel we need a bio break otherwise we'll go till noon okay i think we're

[1:28:09] Trustee Busheikin: going to go till noon i'm not seeing any anyone waving desperately um uh so i'm going to just

[1:28:15] Trustee Busheikin: move us right ahead next we've got the minutes of our last meeting March 17th 6.1.1 any comments

[1:28:24] Trustee Busheikin: oh hi Sue Ellen just leaving bye everybody thank you very much okay right oh yes thank you everyone

[1:28:31] Trustee Busheikin: who came for that part of the meeting of course I have been remiss in not thanking you and it's

[1:28:37] Trustee Busheikin: been really great to have more input on this and to be sharing it with all of you thanks a lot

[1:28:43] Trustee Busheikin: So thanks for your time.

[1:28:44] Trustee Busheikin: I know you're all really busy.

[1:28:47] Trustee Fenton: Likewise, we'll see you later guys.

[1:28:48] Trustee Fenton: Thank you very much.

[1:28:49] Trustee Fenton: Yeah, thanks.

[1:28:50] Trustee Busheikin: And thanks to the staff who showed up also.

[1:28:53] Trustee Busheikin: That's important because this really does run

[1:28:55] Trustee Busheikin: through everything as water does.

[1:29:00] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so the minutes,

[1:29:03] Trustee Busheikin: any amendments or questions about the minutes?

[1:29:07] Trustee Busheikin: I see Trustee Peterson's hand up.

[1:29:10] Trustee Busheikin: Don't know if that's a residual hand or a comment.

[1:29:12] Trustee Busheikin: go ahead if it's a comment or question uh

[1:29:15] Voice 3: yeah thanks um and it's possible that uh that this

[1:29:21] Voice 3: will be covered um maybe in the follow-up action but i was looking at uh page six um about the

[1:29:31] Voice 3: report on the trust programs committee affordable housing discussions will occur at the may 12th

[1:29:36] Voice 3: meeting which i did not see on our agenda and the other thing was about the on page eight that

[1:29:47] Voice 3: um uh final report on the shoreline review from the from the consultant and i didn't

[1:29:55] Voice 3: see that on today's agenda either okay

[1:29:57] Trustee Busheikin: i'm gonna let us deal with that at the follow-up

[1:30:00] Trustee Busheikin: Actualist, because I'd like to keep this just about actual, are there amendments to the minutes?

[1:30:06] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, hearing none, then I will suggest that by general consent, we adopt the minutes of March 17th, 2021.

[1:30:18] Voice 5: Chair Pacheco, if I may interrupt, just to make sure that you're aware, there are no attendees at the webinar, so there is no need for town hall.

[1:30:27] Voice 5: uh item number four and there are no delegations just thank you to

[1:30:31] Voice 5: confirm that please thank you i

[1:30:33] Trustee Busheikin: do confirm that i'm sorry i just did all that in my head um and uh but clearly yeah we are not

[1:30:41] Trustee Busheikin: although zoom is a step up from being in person we're not yet doing this telepathically so yes

[1:30:47] Trustee Busheikin: no no one for town hall and we don't have any delegations so i did um and move us to 6.1

[1:30:54] Trustee Busheikin: thank you so and then we've adopted the minutes by general consent we have no resolutions without

[1:31:03] Trustee Busheikin: meaning so we'll move to 6.3 follow-up action list and I'll just invite staff to comment and

[1:31:10] Trustee Busheikin: to comment on that follow-up action around bringing something from the housing discussion

[1:31:15] Trustee Busheikin: forward and on the report from the consultant about the shoreline review so I'll turn it over

[1:31:22] Trustee Busheikin: to staff for that okay

[1:31:24] Voice 1: thank you so yeah felp action list items there's uh four listed there

[1:31:29] Voice 1: the first one on page 11 of the agenda uh that has not yet come to the regional planning committee

[1:31:35] Voice 1: that's mostly just a time issue with respect to everything that's been going on so i will

[1:31:41] Voice 1: endeavor to provide that to you at the next meeting so item one is not complete

[1:31:47] Voice 1: it was intended for may but we'll have to go to the next regional planning committee meeting

[1:31:51] Voice 1: The rest of the items on the FOP Action List are up to date.

[1:31:56] Voice 1: And in respect to the other question regarding the shoreline, there is a report on item 7.2, so I could speak to it at that point.

[1:32:08] Voice 1: Thank

[1:32:10] Trustee Busheikin: you.

[1:32:11] Trustee Busheikin: I would just comment on that first item to do with reporting on the affordable housing discussions.

[1:32:16] Trustee Busheikin: It's my sense that we've kind of moved beyond that because now we have the actual Islands Trust Policy Statement draft before us that encompasses that.

[1:32:31] Trustee Busheikin: My sense that the intention there was to keep tabs on how those discussions were going.

[1:32:41] Trustee Busheikin: and I don't know yeah I don't know quite what this would look like I think is that am I correct

[1:32:48] Trustee Busheikin: that that's what we were hoping to do to sort of see where those discussions were going and perhaps

[1:32:52] Trustee Busheikin: be part of them but the fact is they've now blossomed into an actual draft of a of some new

[1:33:00] Trustee Busheikin: policy statement material so perhaps we could just remove this or is anyone else thinking differently

[1:33:11] Trustee Busheikin: no no one has any comments um i

[1:33:14] Voice 23: i personally agree with you on that okay

[1:33:17] Trustee Busheikin: thanks yeah um

[1:33:21] Trustee Busheikin: okay then can we just leave that and that will just naturally fall off of the follow-up action

[1:33:26] Trustee Busheikin: report uh

[1:33:28] Voice 1: just for the chair if it's on here i'm going to have to bring something to you

[1:33:32] Voice 1: so i

[1:33:33] Voice 1: would probably essentially say what you've said in a report back to you um

[1:33:40] Voice 1: Yeah. So I'm not really sure exactly what this would look like if it came back to you at this

[1:33:44] Voice 1: point.

[1:33:46] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah. So maybe we could just have a brief motion just to remove that from the follow-up

[1:33:50] Trustee Busheikin: action report so you don't need to make a report.

[1:33:53] Voice 1: I'd like that.

[1:33:54] Trustee Busheikin: Go ahead, Trustee Patrick.

[1:33:56] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think as this goes through the process, I think there is a report that was done by

[1:34:02] Trustee Patrick: the TPC housing working subgroup. And there's some things in there that may not get caught

[1:34:08] Trustee Patrick: in the in the

[1:34:10] Trustee Patrick: policy statement that may be of relevance to uh the local uh the regional

[1:34:16] Trustee Patrick: planning committee as and you know how what the instructions to lpcs ltc's could be in

[1:34:21] Trustee Patrick: relationships i think that was probably what the conversation was thank you

[1:34:26] Voice 1: if i may through the

[1:34:28] Voice 1: chair in that case um if you leave it on here i could bring that report back to the regional

[1:34:34] Voice 1: planning committee you could then have a look at it and determine if there's anything else that

[1:34:37] Voice 1: that you would like to take on from it.

[1:34:40] Trustee Busheikin: That sounds perfect.

[1:34:42] Trustee Busheikin: And thanks Laura for clarifying what's behind this item

[1:34:46] Trustee Busheikin: because I didn't understand that.

[1:34:48] Trustee Busheikin: So then we'll just leave that.

[1:34:50] Trustee Busheikin: Good, any other questions or comments

[1:34:52] Trustee Busheikin: on the follow-up action report?

[1:34:56] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, good.

[1:34:58] Trustee Busheikin: And I've got the participants list

[1:35:00] Trustee Busheikin: for the electronic hands up open,

[1:35:02] Trustee Busheikin: but I'm also trying to monitor what I see visually,

[1:35:06] Trustee Busheikin: but I'm gonna look at the electronic hands up

[1:35:09] Trustee Busheikin: as my go-to, my first line of inquiry about who wants to speak. So next we have, oh, just

[1:35:18] Trustee Busheikin: any final questions or comments on the follow-up action report? Okay, thank you. Next we have a

[1:35:26] Trustee Busheikin: briefing on the local planning service delivery. And I just want to say that I imagine that we

[1:35:32] Trustee Busheikin: would like to have a long discussion about this and that that might happen at a further meeting,

[1:35:38] Trustee Busheikin: that it is here just as a briefing and we can hear from staff and take a few questions.

[1:35:44] Trustee Busheikin: So go ahead with a maybe very brief summary, Director Marler, I assume.

[1:35:50] Voice 1: Yeah, so the first point is that the last meeting of the Regional Planning Committee,

[1:35:58] Voice 1: we had a good session, I think it was the last one, on the policy work that we need to do to

[1:36:03] Voice 1: to support a regional planning team,

[1:36:07] Voice 1: that is to provide some guidance for which projects

[1:36:11] Voice 1: should we be going to the regional planning team?

[1:36:13] Voice 1: How would staff make those recommendations?

[1:36:17] Voice 1: So that work is something I would like to bring to you

[1:36:20] Voice 1: at the next meeting in August, there's a draft,

[1:36:23] Voice 1: so you can start thinking about

[1:36:25] Voice 1: what that policy work would look like.

[1:36:27] Voice 1: So that's where that's at.

[1:36:30] Voice 1: The rest of this story,

[1:36:31] Voice 1: is we've been focusing on managing the workload

[1:36:34] Voice 1: and taking the work that's been transitioned.

[1:36:39] Voice 1: That is, we created this team in November

[1:36:43] Voice 1: and of course we've got ongoing projects.

[1:36:46] Voice 1: So that's what's driving it right now

[1:36:48] Voice 1: is the ongoing projects.

[1:36:50] Voice 1: And then down the road,

[1:36:52] Voice 1: as those projects start to complete,

[1:36:54] Voice 1: we need to start adding other projects.

[1:36:57] Voice 1: So that's where the criteria comes in

[1:36:59] Voice 1: to help us to make that determination.

[1:37:02] Voice 1: So what I've provided here for you,

[1:37:04] Voice 1: if you look on the second page of the report,

[1:37:07] Voice 1: which is page 14 of the agenda package,

[1:37:13] Voice 1: the list of projects that you see there

[1:37:16] Voice 1: are the ones that are being taken on by the planners

[1:37:20] Voice 1: that are assigned to the regional planning team.

[1:37:23] Voice 1: So that's Jason, Manny and Nerissa.

[1:37:26] Voice 1: Some of those are,

[1:37:28] Voice 1: they're still doing a little bit of work for the local trust committee, so some of those

[1:37:32] Voice 1: projects are not necessarily a regional planning project, but part of the transition is somebody

[1:37:39] Voice 1: had to finish those projects off, so that's what's happening here. So you'll see there's a lot,

[1:37:44] Voice 1: as you can see, that list is actually quite long. The other thing that's showing here is on the

[1:37:51] Voice 1: right hand side is the shaded um boxes indicates the estimated time frame uh to completion so for

[1:37:59] Voice 1: example uh you know the density sorry the bonus density affordable housing model bylaw

[1:38:05] Voice 1: which we have the report but not the model bylaw is anticipated uh quarter one 2022 which is um

[1:38:15] Voice 1: about you know sorry two-thirds of a year away three-quarters of a year away and in other ones

[1:38:21] Voice 1: you'll see you go right through to the end of the quarter so this is a way that we're using

[1:38:27] Voice 1: internally to try and start looking at where can we start programming the next project as well

[1:38:33] Voice 1: and then on the next page on page 15 and it runs on to page 16 is a list of all the projects

[1:38:43] Voice 1: projects that we have going in local planning services, whether it's through the regional

[1:38:48] Voice 1: planning committee or through a local trust committee. This is a complete list of the

[1:38:52] Voice 1: projects that are underway. So you can see it's a lot. This actually goes down for three pages.

[1:39:01] Voice 1: So I haven't actually counted them, but there's a lot of projects underway there.

[1:39:06] Voice 1: So that was really just to provide you with that overall feel for the volume of work that's

[1:39:13] Voice 1: currently underway. And on page 18 of the agenda package, I've provided a summary there for you.

[1:39:23] Voice 1: So in the first sentence, with respect to all of those OCPs, there's 20 OCPs, 20 land use bylaws.

[1:39:30] Voice 1: We also have three other bylaws, like zoning and subdivision bylaws. So that's 43 bylaws that we

[1:39:38] Voice 1: we have to look after and you know if you think about how much time it really takes in the

[1:39:45] Voice 1: community to review those documents we're looking at 14 to 20 years of work so that means we could

[1:39:52] Voice 1: get through them all in 20 years and review them once every 20 years and that will keep us extremely

[1:39:56] Voice 1: busy so obviously we're looking at ways to tighten that down so that's where the idea of

[1:40:03] Voice 1: standardization comes in whether it's a not just standardization of the bylaws as much as possible

[1:40:10] Voice 1: but also the processes so instead of each local trust committee determining you know specific

[1:40:18] Voice 1: process that could be anything from you know three months to two years of discussion that

[1:40:23] Voice 1: there'll be something more standardized that the local trust committee could work with

[1:40:28] Voice 1: you know obviously make changes to it to fit the local requirements but not go completely wild

[1:40:35] Voice 1: and completely blow the the timelines and if they do then and this is where the policy comes in

[1:40:42] Voice 1: if that does happen that the policy would address that in some way and say well if that's what you

[1:40:48] Voice 1: want to do here is the your options for doing that so we have 106 administrative bylaws

[1:40:55] Voice 1: loss and that's another thing to keep in mind too is that those also have to be maintained

[1:41:01] Voice 1: and then just in the last sentence I just wanted to point out that there are there's actually 144

[1:41:07] Voice 1: projects on the top priorities and projects list so those are active and ones that are being held

[1:41:13] Voice 1: or trust committees would like to work on at some point down the road and there may be ways to

[1:41:19] Voice 1: combine some of those but it just shows us a huge volume so this is really just a snapshot just

[1:41:25] Voice 1: to show you um where some of the thinking is going to be coming from with respect to

[1:41:32] Voice 1: policy recommendations that we hope to bring to you and intend to probably modify this report

[1:41:39] Voice 1: somewhat but provide this to trust council as well at the june trust council for information

[1:41:44] Voice 1: but i just wanted to run it by you and any comments on this i appreciate that too

[1:41:49] Voice 1: so back to the chair thank you thank

[1:41:51] Trustee Busheikin: you director marler for continuing to work on this complex and

[1:41:55] Trustee Busheikin: an important initiative.

[1:41:56] Trustee Busheikin: I see two hands up, Trustee Peterson, go ahead.

[1:42:00] Trustee Busheikin: And then Trustee Patrick.

[1:42:04] Voice 3: Yeah, thank you, Chair.

[1:42:06] Voice 3: So one thing that stood out for me

[1:42:09] Voice 3: in the first part of the briefing in the background,

[1:42:14] Voice 3: and I'm wondering if the director has some thoughts yet.

[1:42:22] Voice 3: It's about the intention for major projects

[1:42:27] Voice 3: meeting trust council's criteria which is yet to be determined and so um you know to help figure

[1:42:35] Voice 3: out the resourcing so i'm just wondering uh if what like just knowing how trust council works

[1:42:42] Voice 3: sometimes sort of what you've been contemplating about like in terms of suggestions for criteria

[1:42:52] Voice 3: area is this something that we you're contemplating that maybe we'll go through this committee before

[1:42:58] Voice 3: we go to trust council just because it could be a large topic at trust council is what i'm thinking

[1:43:05] Voice 1: yeah so through the chair absolutely uh what i would like to do is come to this committee with

[1:43:11] Voice 1: some options what those criteria could be criteria uh with some recommendations and then this

[1:43:18] Voice 1: committee can obviously make some decisions around that what you think might work might not work and

[1:43:23] Voice 1: then the committee could make that presentation or present that to council as a first draft and

[1:43:31] Voice 1: then we can work on the policy from there so in the top of my head the most obvious ones is

[1:43:37] Voice 1: reconciliation the climate change emergency probably housing would be in there and strategic

[1:43:46] Voice 1: strategic plan, trust council strategic plan. And obviously, and I'm not so sure how this one

[1:43:51] Voice 1: will work, but it furthers the mandate of the trust. In other words, we have, we hopefully

[1:43:56] Voice 1: will have a new policy statement. So how does it advance some of the new stuff or some of the work

[1:44:03] Voice 1: in there as well? But other considerations are less, the more political, and that is what council

[1:44:10] Voice 1: will want to have a geographic consideration so and you know not to pick on any one island but

[1:44:17] Voice 1: maybe salt springs should have a third of the work regardless given the complexity of the issues over

[1:44:25] Voice 1: there so that helps us to from a criteria point of view make sure that we'll be saying okay well

[1:44:32] Voice 1: given all of this this is what we'd recommend or maybe not maybe we just don't worry about the

[1:44:37] Voice 1: geographic and we go where the work needs to be done and um it all averages out over the years so

[1:44:44] Voice 1: i don't know where counts would like to go but that's the kind of thinking is how do we uh set

[1:44:49] Voice 1: up the criteria so that we can be fair in how we're allocating the resources and getting the

[1:44:56] Voice 1: work done

[1:44:57] Trustee Busheikin: thank you uh trustee patrick uh you were next and then trustee stanford

[1:45:04] Trustee Patrick: i agree that's

[1:45:06] Trustee Patrick: going to be quite the conversation but i wanted to point out the paragraph there the first paragraph

[1:45:11] Trustee Patrick: of the summary on on page 18 and as a committee to have a report like this in front of us saying

[1:45:16] Trustee Patrick: that there's clearly a problem that we need 14 to 20 years to review um that that to sit there and

[1:45:23] Trustee Patrick: just take a report leave it on record i think is is not doing our duty i was going to propose either

[1:45:29] Trustee Patrick: a motion that we asked staff to do some reporting on what the alternatives would be to address this

[1:45:34] Trustee Patrick: issue going forward and we know what the Cowichan Valley Regional District is doing with harmonizing

[1:45:41] Trustee Patrick: we know that we're not a regional district we're a bit different but you know we either sit and

[1:45:46] Trustee Patrick: abdicate our role and let this review that's about to happen tell us what to do or we act as an

[1:45:51] Trustee Patrick: elected body that takes this kind of information and we ask staff to do something about it so I

[1:45:55] Trustee Patrick: would prefer to take that route and I'll throw a motion on the floor and you can decide what to do

[1:46:00] Trustee Patrick: that I'm going to of course tweak from what I had put down there to match the report a little bit

[1:46:04] Trustee Patrick: more so i move that the regional planning committee direct staff report back on um alternatives

[1:46:11] Trustee Patrick: um i'll use the wording from here uh alternatives to um alternative approaches to

[1:46:19] Trustee Patrick: maintaining and updating ocps and luvs so

[1:46:28] Trustee Busheikin: that's a motion and i'll just check with robert that

[1:46:32] Trustee Busheikin: you've got that he's probably writing right now okay um so yeah I see your hand um okay oh there

[1:46:46] Trustee Busheikin: it is okay great I've got a few things open here uh trustee Wolverton are you seconding

[1:46:51] Trustee Busheikin: good okay trustee Patrick do you want to speak any more to the motion no I think I covered it

[1:46:57] Trustee Busheikin: um uh so there were hands up just to speak generally so I'm going to ask those people

[1:47:02] Trustee Busheikin: to put their hands down and then um take hands for anyone who wants to speak to the motion and

[1:47:07] Trustee Busheikin: and I will speak to the motion also.

[1:47:10] Trustee Busheikin: So Chair Luckham, would you like to speak to the motion?

[1:47:13] Trustee Busheikin: I see your hand.

[1:47:20] Trustee Busheikin: Peter Luckham, we're not hearing you.

[1:47:26] Voice 27: There

[1:47:26] Voice 11: we go, sorry about that.

[1:47:27] Voice 27: That happens.

[1:47:29] Voice 27: It's working on a phone, it's challenging.

[1:47:31] Voice 27: Anyway, thank you as a non-voting member,

[1:47:35] Voice 27: the opportunity to comment.

[1:47:39] Voice 27: Certainly I appreciate Trustee Patrick's

[1:47:45] Voice 27: motion here um because indeed i think that it simply begs the question and the reason i wanted

[1:47:51] Voice 27: to comment is because um it's interesting we posted this uh we did a news release about uh

[1:47:57] Voice 27: increased numbers of applications um and um and therefore it's going to take a lot longer to

[1:48:04] Voice 27: process your applications etc etc and it's interesting that's generated an awful lot of

[1:48:08] Voice 27: interest. And it's made me reflect upon it quite a bit. And indeed, we do need to understand how

[1:48:18] Voice 27: it is that we're going to do the work that we need to do, because as the number of applications,

[1:48:23] Voice 27: 105% to 50% across the region, is increasing, our ability to actually, that timeline of 12

[1:48:30] Voice 27: years is more like 15 years or something silly like that, if applications become a significant

[1:48:39] Voice 27: workload. And of course, we already know that the costs associated with those applications

[1:48:44] Voice 27: are not necessarily covered by the fees. And so there's a real limitation there,

[1:48:49] Voice 27: which this committee I know is well aware of. But certainly, I appreciate the motion to

[1:48:54] Voice 27: to investigate what other alternatives there are

[1:48:58] Voice 27: that exist to manage this workload.

[1:49:00] Voice 27: Thank you.

[1:49:05] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:49:06] Trustee Busheikin: So I put myself on the speaker's list

[1:49:08] Trustee Busheikin: and then Trustee Peterson.

[1:49:09] Trustee Busheikin: I just want to say that I do support this motion.

[1:49:14] Trustee Busheikin: And I think that what's really important

[1:49:17] Trustee Busheikin: is that we get the ball started on this discussion

[1:49:19] Trustee Busheikin: because it is complex.

[1:49:21] Trustee Busheikin: We're not a regional district.

[1:49:22] Trustee Busheikin: There's going to be differences.

[1:49:24] Trustee Busheikin: We aren't going to just do what Cowichan did.

[1:49:26] Trustee Busheikin: And I know that's not what Trustee Patrick is suggesting, but I think we need to begin to wrap our heads around what the options are, what the pros and cons are.

[1:49:37] Trustee Busheikin: It's going to be a delicate balance between being effective and efficient in our use of resources, recognizing everything we have in common across the trust area, but respecting regional and local differences.

[1:49:55] Trustee Busheikin: and finding that balance between working as a federation

[1:50:00] Trustee Busheikin: while also supporting local individuality and autonomy,

[1:50:04] Trustee Busheikin: like huge issues that will be played out with this.

[1:50:08] Trustee Busheikin: So I think this motion just gets the ball rolling on that.

[1:50:12] Trustee Busheikin: And so I will be voting in favor.

[1:50:15] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:50:16] Trustee Busheikin: And Trustee Peterson, you're next on the speakers list.

[1:50:21] Voice 3: Yeah, thank you, Chair. And I am in support of the motion. I think it speaks to the final line of the summary, you know, which says we have to consider ways to reduce the number, improve and tighten timelines to reduce the need for major reviews, consider alternative approaches.

[1:50:44] Voice 3: So I think this is a needed step in that direction.

[1:50:50] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you. So I'm seeing one more hand up, Trustee Dodds, and I would just say since everyone that's spoken has spoken in favor, if you're going to speak in favor, I'd like to suggest that you don't need to. That's what they do at UBCM, and it's like if a bunch of people speak either pro or against, then we want to hear from other points of view to balance it. So saying that, I recognize that Trustee Dodds, see her hand up, so go ahead.

[1:51:17] Voice 14: So probably I'm speaking to the motion and I certainly support the motion.

[1:51:22] Voice 14: I guess it's more I have a question for staff.

[1:51:24] Voice 14: I find it confusing.

[1:51:26] Voice 14: Many, many years ago did major reviews of our OCP and LUB.

[1:51:30] Voice 14: But since that time, we are constantly updating our OCP and our LUBs.

[1:51:36] Voice 14: They're not stagnant documents, never have been.

[1:51:38] Voice 14: They change all the time.

[1:51:39] Voice 14: and to me it's more beneficial to actually be changing them and making improvements to them

[1:51:46] Voice 14: as issues arise on an ongoing basis um so when we talk about alternate approaches yes i would

[1:51:52] Voice 14: like to see something an alternate totally to having this great two-year-long community-driven

[1:51:58] Voice 14: ocp review which i think most people find very confusing so that's i'm in favor of it and i

[1:52:04] Voice 14: I support it and hopefully it's practical.

[1:52:06] Voice 14: The reality is no OCP or LUB is ever stagnant.

[1:52:13] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:52:15] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Longares.

[1:52:16] Voice 23: Yeah, I just want a point of clarification.

[1:52:20] Voice 23: You're talking about alternate approaches

[1:52:21] Voice 23: to what we're doing now,

[1:52:23] Voice 23: which is local trust committees decide

[1:52:26] Voice 23: on doing an OCP review.

[1:52:28] Voice 23: Is that the intent or is this the intent to,

[1:52:30] Voice 23: I mean, how does it relate to the prioritization

[1:52:33] Voice 23: of the regional team is it this is just a optional tools then i'm assuming for the regional team and

[1:52:41] Voice 23: when they do do an ocp review is that correct and

[1:52:51] Trustee Busheikin: i'm not sure who could answer that um perhaps the

[1:52:55] Trustee Busheikin: mover of the motion and i i

[1:52:57] Trustee Busheikin: will say the motion's very wide open and i felt the discussion was a

[1:53:01] Trustee Busheikin: little more focused uh and focused uh um but maybe that's fine i mean staff heard the discussion but

[1:53:09] Trustee Busheikin: trustee patrick do you have it yeah

[1:53:10] Trustee Patrick: i mean it was the intent was in relationship to the overall

[1:53:14] Trustee Patrick: comment of the first paragraph there in the summary that we have an issue um so yes i i

[1:53:20] Trustee Patrick: wasn't narrowing i my thoughts were to keep it broad at this time at the conversation of where

[1:53:25] Trustee Patrick: we're all all those alternatives and let staff come back with some ideas okay

[1:53:32] Voice 23: thank you yeah

[1:53:33] Trustee Busheikin: thank you um so i don't see any more hands and i think we've covered this off and i'm going to

[1:53:39] Trustee Busheikin: call the question so let's use our so let's all hands down that's great let's use our electronic

[1:53:44] Trustee Busheikin: hands all in favor raise your hand if you're on the phone and can't use your electronic hand just

[1:53:50] Trustee Busheikin: say aye out loud okay so that's everyone in favor i see just a minute two three four five six seven

[1:54:04] Trustee Busheikin: in favor so let's lower our hand uh if you've raised it good and uh anyone opposed okay not

[1:54:16] Trustee Busheikin: opposed so motion carries thank you thank you trustee patrick for bringing that forward so

[1:54:21] Trustee Busheikin: So if there's no more time-sensitive issues to bring up with this discussion, is that fine?

[1:54:29] Trustee Busheikin: I'd like to move us – oh, I see another hand.

[1:54:31] Trustee Busheikin: Yes, sorry, indeed, Trustee Stafford, your hand was up previously, so please go ahead.

[1:54:37] Trustee Stamford: Just

[1:54:37] Trustee Busheikin: a couple of things.

[1:54:40] Trustee Stamford: This is directed to Director Marler.

[1:54:44] Trustee Stamford: I had spoken earlier about possible grant funding from the province to help support this process.

[1:54:54] Trustee Stamford: And I wondered if how you see that fitting into this project, because I'm looking at these lists.

[1:55:02] Trustee Stamford: I question how much this like the percentages and maybe they if we present this to Trust Council at a later date,

[1:55:12] Trustee Stamford: that those percentages be updated because i'm looking at our projects and i i thought we were

[1:55:17] Trustee Stamford: further along uh than we were or that this list indicates um and um i guess i'll leave it at that

[1:55:26] Trustee Stamford: i just have a number of comments but i can talk to the planners offline on that thank

[1:55:32] Trustee Busheikin: you and just

[1:55:33] Trustee Busheikin: if we could just briefly get an answer to the question about the funding and then you could

[1:55:37] Trustee Busheikin: follow up privately if you want more i'm just looking at time yeah

[1:55:41] Voice 1: i believe the funding you're

[1:55:42] Voice 1: talking about is that the um the provincial through ubcm funding for service delivery

[1:55:49] Voice 1: yeah that's

[1:55:50] Voice 1: more about application processing not um not working on your projects we have made an

[1:55:57] Voice 1: application under that program uh that went through the executive committee to uh look at

[1:56:04] Voice 1: but obtaining a grant to assist in making changes to be more efficient and also more innovative in how we communicate with the public and process applications.

[1:56:21] Trustee Stamford: Okay, thank you.

[1:56:22] Trustee Stamford: Thank you.

[1:56:24] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I would like to move us on to the next item which is a briefing on all the strategic plan items that this committee is tasked with so that will touch on what trustee Peterson asked earlier about what's up with the shoreline protection project and also the alternate ways of measuring density one.

[1:56:49] Trustee Busheikin: So, Director Marlowe, would you like to, we do have a report, but you could just make a few introductory comments.

[1:56:57] Voice 1: Yeah, thank you. So this was, there's a lot of work for the Regional Planning Committee.

[1:57:02] Voice 1: So I just wanted to pull it together in a single report, give you a little bit of a snapshot of what's happening.

[1:57:07] Voice 1: And this again is something I'll probably provide to Trust Council as information.

[1:57:14] Voice 1: So on the first page is the work from your last fiscal year, which is 2020-21, and I've just identified them with the budget and the status of them.

[1:57:26] Voice 1: At the bottom of that page where it says $10,000 for fluoride ratio as a density metric, that report has been received by staff.

[1:57:39] Voice 1: So the consultant has completed the work.

[1:57:44] Voice 1: The budget did not allow us to contract them to draft model bylaws.

[1:57:52] Voice 1: So we actually have recommendations on what should be in a bylaw.

[1:57:57] Voice 1: So I'll be bringing that to you at the August meeting with a cover request for decision that will have some recommendations as to the next steps.

[1:58:07] Voice 1: that is should we draft model bylaws or should we just provide those reports to

[1:58:14] Voice 1: local trust committees post them on the web the whole bunch of options to do with those

[1:58:19] Voice 1: and i should have gone to the first one item six in the middle of the page is the foreshore

[1:58:24] Voice 1: it's the same situation we have the report i've received that and we'll be bringing that to you

[1:58:31] Voice 1: in August with recommendations. They're not on this agenda, mainly because there's no time

[1:58:37] Voice 1: to do the reports, as well as no time on the agenda to have a fulsome discussion around them.

[1:58:46] Voice 1: And then on the second page is the new items that Trust Council's budget allocated to the

[1:58:55] Voice 1: Regional Planning Committee. So the first item, I just want to go through these very quickly.

[1:59:00] Voice 1: First item was create model development permits to do with Coastal Douglas Fair.

[1:59:06] Voice 1: This was intended to be done in-house with a $5,000 budget to support that.

[1:59:11] Voice 1: So that has not yet begun.

[1:59:12] Voice 1: And in August, I think we'll have a chat with the Regional Planning Committee about what a project charter for that would look like and getting the work started in the fall for completion by March 31st.

[1:59:25] Voice 1: Item five, eelgrass mapping.

[1:59:28] Voice 1: This money was put in at the last minute by Trust Council for $50,000.

[1:59:35] Voice 1: We already have a request for a proposal that was set to go last year when the eelgrass project was cancelled,

[1:59:43] Voice 1: partly because the timing window wasn't going to work.

[1:59:47] Voice 1: So that RFP is going out shortly on BC BID.

[1:59:52] Voice 1: And I'll be bringing the results of that to the Regional Planning Committee.

[2:00:00] Voice 1: The way the RFP is written is we'll be asking for

[2:00:05] Voice 1: an evaluation of cost by local trust area so that we can look at which local

[2:00:09] Voice 1: trust areas we can do within the budget allocation that we have available,

[2:00:13] Voice 1: because we know we're not going to be able to do the entire trust area.

[2:00:18] Voice 1: The next item, number seven, is underway.

[2:00:21] Voice 1: That's the fresh water management and the mapping of number eight,

[2:00:26] Voice 1: mapping to develop water budgets.

[2:00:28] Voice 1: This is a continuation of the groundwater aquifer mapping that we're working on.

[2:00:33] Voice 1: The intent this year is to begin on Bowen Gambia at Liskety and revisit Salt Spring.

[2:00:41] Voice 1: And completion expected by March 31st.

[2:00:45] Voice 1: And number nine is the model land use regulations around rainwater catchment.

[2:00:52] Voice 1: So like the first item, this one's intended to be done in-house with a $5,000 budget to

[2:00:57] Voice 1: support that so we'll talk to you at next meeting likely about how to get that going.

[2:01:07] Voice 1: The next one 16.4 is the last of the density bonus sorry last of the housing

[2:01:15] Voice 1: on the strategic plan so this is intended to be done by a consultant and that work will probably

[2:01:22] Voice 1: be done in the fall for completion by the end of the fiscal and then 19.1 is the heritage

[2:01:27] Voice 1: preservation overlay. There's 55,000, 50,000 from trust council and 25,000 through the grant.

[2:01:36] Voice 1: So that RFP is already out on BC bid and it will close at the end of May and we'll select a

[2:01:43] Voice 1: contractor to work with staff and Lisa and get that work underway as well. So two of those are

[2:01:52] Voice 1: underway. The other ones are all, two of those are underway. The freshwater ones are also underway

[2:01:57] Voice 1: way and the ones coming back to you there's about three of those that we'll be bringing back to you

[2:02:02] Voice 1: so there's any questions otherwise it's there for information any

[2:02:07] Trustee Busheikin: questions okay thanks i would just

[2:02:12] Trustee Busheikin: like to make a comment um and i think maybe we can it will lead to something but that you know

[2:02:17] Trustee Busheikin: there's those two reports that are done and it i find it frustrating that the reports are there

[2:02:23] Trustee Busheikin: and and we're not going to move through look at them till um till august um and uh like towards

[2:02:30] Trustee Busheikin: the end of August so three months from now and I understand we had a lot on our agenda today

[2:02:37] Trustee Busheikin: but I guess what I'm moving towards is looking at scheduling a meeting between now and August

[2:02:47] Trustee Busheikin: specifically to do those we don't even need to do anything else we could even not do you know

[2:02:51] Trustee Busheikin: regular things like the review follow-up action list and review our work program but

[2:02:57] Trustee Busheikin: you know, I understand that the staff need to write some reports on those, but it seems to me

[2:03:04] Trustee Busheikin: the decision ahead of us is, well, we have these reports, what do we want to do with them?

[2:03:08] Trustee Busheikin: So it would be great to get that clear and have those reports available. Like I think quite a lot

[2:03:14] Trustee Busheikin: of local trust committees are either working on housing and working on shoreline work and are

[2:03:20] Trustee Busheikin: thinking of it. And those are useful. There's going to be really useful information for trustees to

[2:03:25] Trustee Busheikin: learn about so um maybe could i just get like a little like visual like thumbs up if you're open

[2:03:33] Trustee Busheikin: to scheduling another meeting from trustees i see some thumbs up and then i see some people just

[2:03:40] Trustee Busheikin: sitting there and i see some heads going no so it's a bit of a mix um and that makes it a little

[2:03:47] Trustee Busheikin: little hard to do um i and i see a few people hands going up and down in the in the pain there

[2:03:56] Trustee Busheikin: um i'm gonna just leave that topic for us to think about then as we go on our lunch break and when we

[2:04:01] Trustee Busheikin: talk about next meeting that's when we can get to that and i understand staff need to have time and

[2:04:06] Trustee Busheikin: that's really important i'm thinking of a very targeted meeting that that would be a lot shorter

[2:04:11] Trustee Busheikin: than this meeting uh and also that would mean that maybe our next meeting in august doesn't need to

[2:04:16] Trustee Busheikin: be a full day so let's hold that thought and return to it when we get to 11 next meeting

[2:04:25] Trustee Busheikin: and then I'd like to let us go on a lunch break speaking of long meetings and I thank everyone

[2:04:31] Trustee Busheikin: for sticking sticking with it we didn't even have a bio break and I apologize for that

[2:04:36] Trustee Busheikin: so it's 12.06 so let's take the full half hour and come back at 12.36.

[2:04:42] Voice 1: Thank you. Thank you.

[2:37:31] Voice 11: where's

[2:37:32] Voice 10: the chair hi

[2:38:52] Voice 11: sorry i'm late did

[2:38:56] Trustee Busheikin: the vice chair call the meeting to order

[2:38:58] Trustee Busheikin: we're

[2:39:02] Trustee Maude: way too patient for that well

[2:39:05] Trustee Busheikin: that's probably good that's kind of you i'll say

[2:39:10] Trustee Busheikin: um okay but it looks like we've got everyone as far as i can tell it's hard to keep track of

[2:39:18] Trustee Busheikin: um so um i hope everyone had a nice break and i'll just call the meeting back to order

[2:39:23] Trustee Busheikin: We are at item 8.1, annual report, and then we're going to move into the second big session of the day.

[2:39:37] Trustee Busheikin: So the annual report is on page 22. Is there any staff member that would like to speak to this?

[2:39:48] Trustee Busheikin: not hearing anyone okay yeah

[2:39:50] Voice 1: david here i don't have anything to add the annual reports are

[2:39:54] Voice 1: required um contribution to end report so this is um a summary of the work of the regional planning

[2:40:02] Voice 1: committee over the last fiscal year so the resolution is on the agenda for consideration

[2:40:12] Trustee Busheikin: okay uh any comments yes i see trustee peterson's hand up go ahead um

[2:40:20] Voice 3: i was just uh ready to make

[2:40:22] Voice 3: the motion unless uh so i can wait and see if there's anything else first sure

[2:40:29] Trustee Busheikin: i do have a

[2:40:30] Trustee Busheikin: few comments just on on um i guess a few word choices um so i'll go ahead um in the first

[2:40:40] Trustee Busheikin: paragraph in the third sentence that begins it also includes i think it needs to be it also

[2:40:48] Trustee Busheikin: includes developing communication materials or the development of communication materials is just a

[2:40:57] Trustee Busheikin: kind of a typo thing um and then the second paragraph the first sentence refers about halfway

[2:41:04] Trustee Busheikin: through the paragraph to housing affordability to increase housing affordability like i feel like

[2:41:08] Trustee Busheikin: that's over promising um because all we can do is set the uh context for um potential housing

[2:41:18] Trustee Busheikin: affordability like I would prefer that red housing options does that sound fine okay

[2:41:29] Trustee Busheikin: and then the last sentence I just I found it confusing because some work began and was not

[2:41:39] Trustee Busheikin: completed and some continued so I have an alternate suggestion which I can read out

[2:41:46] Trustee Busheikin: and I can send to someone work on the strategic plan item development of a freshwater

[2:41:51] Trustee Busheikin: sustainability strategy was begun this year but not completed and ongoing still worthy ongoing

[2:41:59] Trustee Busheikin: work on a multi-year groundwatering map you know what let's just leave it when I read it out loud

[2:42:03] Trustee Busheikin: it's just it's sort of a lot to put into one sentence but people will understand it so just

[2:42:08] Trustee Busheikin: those two small changes and um i'll take that motion now tim i just really

[2:42:17] Trustee Busheikin: oh go ahead yeah

[2:42:20] Voice 1: those are minor amendments so i can make those changes and i've got a record of it

[2:42:25] Trustee Busheikin: okay great

[2:42:31] Voice 3: yeah um i just had a just a a tiny process question um first and that is just uh

[2:42:39] Voice 3: And just to be sure, I don't hear anyone complaining about those amendments, but I just, sounds like David's got them under

[2:42:48] Voice 9: advisement

[2:42:51] Voice 3: there and just processed.

[2:42:52] Voice 3: So I'm ready to move that the Regional Planning Committee approve the attached text as amended for inclusion in the 2020-21 Annual Report for Approval of Trust, Council, and Submission of the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing.

[2:43:09] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Seconder?

[2:43:11] Trustee Busheikin: I'll second it.

[2:43:12] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you.

[2:43:14] Trustee Busheikin: So, Trustee Longer, I second.

[2:43:15] Trustee Busheikin: Any further discussion?

[2:43:17] Trustee Busheikin: I will call the question.

[2:43:18] Trustee Busheikin: Everyone, please raise your electronic hand if you're in favor.

[2:43:27] Trustee Busheikin: I see.

[2:43:30] Trustee Busheikin: Seven in favor.

[2:43:33] Trustee Busheikin: Right, yeah.

[2:43:34] Trustee Busheikin: So, you can lower your hands.

[2:43:39] Trustee Busheikin: And now anyone against?

[2:43:42] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, Trustee Dodson, you're voting against?

[2:43:46] Trustee Busheikin: No, your hand is up.

[2:43:48] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, but you're not voting against.

[2:43:50] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, that's what I thought. Okay, so motion carries. Thank you. Wonderful. So we're going to move on to this rather exciting moment, which is the unveiling of this very major and long overdue project on the policy statement.

[2:44:09] Trustee Busheikin: and you know I think in our committee we've been kind of wondering with great

[2:44:16] Trustee Busheikin: interest you know how things are going over at that other committee and it's a

[2:44:21] Trustee Busheikin: huge piece of work and I know that staff and the members of TPC have worked

[2:44:25] Trustee Busheikin: extremely hard on it and so I want to thank everyone involved in that and I'm

[2:44:34] Trustee Busheikin: going to turn it over to Dilani who's been one of the main people leading this up uh with great

[2:44:41] Trustee Busheikin: skill and um and patience also uh so thank you uh Dilani and I'll just let you uh really take the

[2:44:51] Trustee Busheikin: lead in this and just let me know if there's anything I can do to support your your process

[2:44:56] Voice 13: great thank you uh chair Bushaken um and if I can be permitted to share my screen I just have a

[2:45:02] Voice 13: short overview presentation. Thank you. Okay. And can everybody see the presentation? Can I get a

[2:45:15] Voice 13: thumbs up? Yeah. Great. Great.

[2:45:18] Voice 2: So yes, hello, Regional Planning Committee. We're very happy to

[2:45:25] Voice 2: be with you here today to present you with the very first draft of a new policy statement bylaw.

[2:45:32] Voice 2: I would stress that it's the very first draft. We expect it to go through a number of revisions before it comes to Trust Council at first reading.

[2:45:41] Voice 2: But we wanted to share it with you as early as possible to get some initial feedback, some thoughts, and just to give you time to digest some of the changes that have been made.

[2:45:52] Voice 2: We presented this first draft to Trust Programs Committee at a special meeting on May 3rd.

[2:45:58] Voice 2: they they provided some initial feedback we're having another meeting this friday with trust

[2:46:05] Voice 2: programs committee so we expect more feedback at that time we haven't incorporated those yet

[2:46:11] Voice 2: into a new draft so i would just flag that we we will be changing the document but what you're

[2:46:15] Voice 2: seeing today here is the first first draft and at this stage i'm going to pass it over to my

[2:46:23] Voice 2: colleague Lisa Wilcox, our Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor, to make an acknowledgement.

[2:46:31] Voice 6: Cheqmahath, Queensland Qomtunat, just want to acknowledge the treaty and territorial lands

[2:46:39] Voice 6: that the Islands Trust lies within. We acknowledge all of the nations that have

[2:46:46] Voice 6: worked so hard with us on this draft of the policy statement and we honour the voice and

[2:46:53] Voice 6: the contributions that they have made to making this such an important draft that reflects

[2:46:58] Voice 6: reconciliation. So OCM and thank you for all your good work and opening your hearts and minds to

[2:47:06] Voice 6: this historic new document that we're working with.

[2:47:13] Voice 13: Thank you, Lisa. So we thought we'd just

[2:47:16] Voice 13: ground into

[2:47:18] Voice 2: a reminder of the project scope that we were working with. So as you will recall,

[2:47:23] Voice 2: Trust Council in its strategic plan for this term directed staff and particularly Trust Programs

[2:47:31] Voice 2: Committee and Executive Committee to revise or provide recommendations for an update of the

[2:47:38] Voice 2: policy statement, which included a general update of the introduction, part one, which pertained to

[2:47:45] Voice 2: the purpose and implementation of the policy statement, part two, which spoke about the trust

[2:47:52] Voice 2: object and guiding principles for Trust Council and Schedule 1, which contained a list of

[2:47:57] Voice 2: definitions. Trust Council also directed that we look at parts three, four, and five of the

[2:48:03] Voice 2: previous policy statement through the lenses of reconciliation, climate change, and affordable

[2:48:08] Voice 2: housing. And so as we have endeavored this process, we've really tried to stay in this

[2:48:15] Voice 2: sweet spot in the middle of this Venn diagram where all of the policies line up and support

[2:48:21] Voice 2: each other in helpful ways and I would say I would highlight also that council directed us

[2:48:27] Voice 2: that this project be guided by important engagement with First Nations for the first time

[2:48:34] Voice 2: in the history of the Islands Trust as well as communities and we're also taking in what is

[2:48:42] Voice 2: reflected in this first draft are some recommendations that have come from TPC working

[2:48:47] Voice 2: working groups on these three areas, as well as some conversations with inter-ministerial

[2:48:55] Voice 2: colleagues at other government agencies.

[2:48:58] Voice 2: And I would note that any input that is out of scope for this particular amendment project

[2:49:03] Voice 2: can be considered by Trust Council for future amendment projects.

[2:49:06] Voice 2: And we're hoping that that will happen on a more regular basis going forward.

[2:49:11] Voice 2: But this is a big, it hasn't been updated for many years.

[2:49:16] Voice 2: So this is a, it contains some big changes.

[2:49:21] Voice 2: This, so in this, in your agenda package, you have a copy of the more detailed presentation

[2:49:29] Voice 2: that we provided to Trust Programs Committee on May 3rd, which has a little bit more detail

[2:49:35] Voice 2: that I'll present to you today, just in the interest of time.

[2:49:38] Voice 2: But we thought we'd just give you an overview of some of the principles and paradigms and

[2:49:42] Voice 2: and policy goals that fed into this amendment process

[2:49:45] Voice 2: that came from our engagement with First Nations,

[2:49:49] Voice 2: our engagement with the public

[2:49:51] Voice 2: and the various inputs I previously described.

[2:49:55] Voice 2: So firstly, there was a broad call

[2:49:58] Voice 2: for a more evidence-based approach

[2:50:00] Voice 2: to decision-making in the trust area.

[2:50:04] Voice 2: We received feedback that it would be important

[2:50:08] Voice 2: to have a better understanding

[2:50:09] Voice 2: of the carrying capacity of each island

[2:50:11] Voice 2: informed by the best available science and respectful of Indigenous ways of knowing.

[2:50:18] Voice 2: I would just note here that the notion of carrying capacity is quite difficult to define. This was

[2:50:23] Voice 2: one of the pieces of feedback we received from Trust Programs Committee, so we're now looking

[2:50:28] Voice 2: at that and I'll speak to it a bit in the next slide. We've also been directed to

[2:50:36] Voice 2: support precautionary approaches. So this is the notion that in light of climate change

[2:50:41] Voice 2: and many of the uncertainties around the impacts of development in the context of climate change,

[2:50:48] Voice 2: as well as the impacts of climate change themselves, there's a need to proceed cautiously

[2:50:53] Voice 2: to avoid harm where there is uncertainty. So that's a precautionary approach.

[2:51:00] Voice 2: We've also identified the need to pursue a more area-based approach in our decision-making and policy setting,

[2:51:10] Voice 2: such that we make site-specific decisions in the context of the broader landscape of any particular island or planning area

[2:51:17] Voice 2: that is informed by area-wide mapping, as opposed to site-specific scientific assessments.

[2:51:26] Voice 2: We've also noted, particularly with regards to climate change, the need to have more iterative

[2:51:32] Voice 2: processes of monitoring, evaluation, and policy adjustments, knowing that it's very difficult

[2:51:39] Voice 2: to predict with certainty some of the changes and impacts that will be coming down the road

[2:51:44] Voice 2: increasingly.

[2:51:45] Voice 2: And so if we pursue this more evidence-based approach, that that needs to be an iterative

[2:51:52] Voice 2: approach with monitoring and evaluation. Another theme that came up was the need to foster equitable

[2:51:59] Voice 2: approaches. And I've heard that in some of your discussions earlier today as well. So this is

[2:52:05] Voice 2: acknowledging that resilience is dependent on healthy, inclusive, and diverse communities,

[2:52:10] Voice 2: both in terms of trust area residents and visitors, as well as ecological communities,

[2:52:18] Voice 2: and that broader lens of community that I think Trustee Lackham spoke about earlier

[2:52:25] Voice 2: that includes some of the communities that have been forcibly removed from the trust area in the past

[2:52:32] Voice 2: and some of the disproportionate effects of policies on their well-being.

[2:52:38] Voice 2: So, look, taking that broad approach and an equitable lens to all the policies we're including here.

[2:52:46] Voice 2: there's also been a call to reframe some of the language that we've used so I you would have seen

[2:52:52] Voice 2: in your presentation this morning by Econyx that beautiful slide that was produced by the

[2:52:59] Voice 2: the graphic recorder who participated with the cultural knowledge holders on the topic of water

[2:53:05] Voice 2: and there's a quote in there it's not a resource it's a relationship and that was very much a

[2:53:13] Voice 2: central theme to what we heard in the engagement processes both by First Nations as well as the

[2:53:19] Voice 2: public and our particularly our TPC working group on climate change that we needed to move towards

[2:53:27] Voice 2: less human-centric paradigms in order to address the vulnerabilities of ecosystems at this

[2:53:34] Voice 2: at this point. And so with that came another imperative to add the word restore. So

[2:53:44] Voice 2: acknowledging that many ecosystems have been pushed to the brink at this stage and that while

[2:53:51] Voice 2: our typical language includes the preserve and protect mandate, we may wish to consider our role

[2:53:57] Voice 2: in the restoration of of ecosystems to maintain overall environmental integrity and we would have

[2:54:05] Voice 2: to discuss together with as trust council and staff about what that would look like in our

[2:54:11] Voice 2: jurisdiction in within our jurisdictional authority and lastly I think this has been a call across the

[2:54:19] Voice 2: board for integrated approaches acknowledging the interdependence and reciprocal relationships

[2:54:25] Voice 2: relationships between policy priorities. So we've really strived to craft the policy statement such

[2:54:34] Voice 2: that there aren't contradictions between policies so that it is easily harmonized

[2:54:44] Voice 2: and that approaches take that integrated approach and that broader sense of community.

[2:54:50] Voice 2: So those are some of the principles and paradigms we've identified from the engagement.

[2:54:55] Voice 2: And at the core, I think of all the engagement and all the analysis that has happened to date, there's been a recognition that business as usual is no longer appropriate or desired by anyone at this stage, acknowledging the challenges that the trust area is facing on a number of different levels.

[2:55:17] Voice 2: And so we feel very much that trust area communities, First Nations and others are calling for bold approaches at this stage.

[2:55:27] Voice 2: And that has influenced how we've crafted the policy statement in this first iteration.

[2:55:35] Voice 2: So I won't go into detail. There's a number of amendments, as you will have seen in the draft.

[2:55:40] Voice 2: I won't go into detail on all of them.

[2:55:42] Voice 2: I'll just highlight a few of the changes of note or major changes.

[2:55:48] Voice 2: There are three new sections in this draft that were not in the previous policy statement.

[2:55:57] Voice 2: The first is the new part three, which is on regional governance.

[2:56:02] Voice 2: And this is really a transformation of what was previously in the policy statement referred

[2:56:07] Voice 2: to as guiding principles for trust counsel.

[2:56:10] Voice 2: We felt that they were very important principles and really central to the trust object and therefore to the policy statement.

[2:56:19] Voice 2: And we wanted to bring them into the same framing as the rest of the policies in the document and also give some context at the regional level that applies across the board with regards to how we are hoping to enact reconciliation and climate action across the region.

[2:56:38] Voice 2: uh there's also a new part five on um preservation and protection of heritage in the trust area

[2:56:46] Voice 2: in the previous policy statement there were a couple of policies sort of buried in the former

[2:56:52] Voice 2: part five um which pertain to communities uh and we felt that because this is such an important

[2:56:59] Voice 2: topic um for first nations and for communities like that we needed to really bring it out and

[2:57:06] Voice 2: and profile it on its own to highlight its priority

[2:57:09] Voice 2: at this stage of the trust's work.

[2:57:13] Voice 2: So you will see that in the new section

[2:57:15] Voice 2: and it's also echoed throughout all of the,

[2:57:18] Voice 2: many of the policies in the statement.

[2:57:21] Voice 2: We also have a new section within the new part five,

[2:57:25] Voice 2: the part, sorry, part six on communities

[2:57:29] Voice 2: contains a new section on housing,

[2:57:32] Voice 2: which is fostering both housing affordability as well as low carbon footprints across the board.

[2:57:40] Voice 2: So this is one of our attempts at addressing those inequities in the microcosm of trustee residents,

[2:57:47] Voice 2: but also setting a new footprint in light of climate change.

[2:57:52] Voice 2: So those are some significantly new sections.

[2:57:55] Voice 2: In the middle here, these bubbles in yellow have been given greater priority across the board.

[2:58:05] Voice 2: So one of the general themes of feedback that we've received is the need to carve out more clear limitations.

[2:58:13] Voice 2: limitations um uh it was pre it was previously um noted in the previous policy statement that

[2:58:20] Voice 2: there was a need to curb growth and limit um limit development in the trust area in alignment

[2:58:26] Voice 2: with the trust object but there wasn't um too much delineation of boundaries so we tried to

[2:58:33] Voice 2: strengthen that in accordance with the feedback that has been received so um in an attempt to

[2:58:40] Voice 2: to prioritize the environmental, the overall health of ecosystems, the overall health of

[2:58:45] Voice 2: the environment in the trust area. One of the ways that we can do that is prioritizing protected area

[2:58:51] Voice 2: networks. So this was a policy that has been in the policy statement for many years, but hasn't

[2:58:56] Voice 2: really been taken up in a proactive way. And in conversations with the Conservancy, it came to

[2:59:02] Voice 2: our attention that we actually have incredible decision support tools that would enable planning

[2:59:07] Voice 2: planning local trust committees and island municipalities as well as planners to create

[2:59:15] Voice 2: clearer protected area networks that would facilitate the kind of connectivity corridors

[2:59:23] Voice 2: and protection of ecosystems such that the overall health could be preserved and protected

[2:59:31] Voice 2: in a without fragmentation so that's a that's a that's taken a bit more profile in this draft of

[2:59:40] Voice 2: the policy statement and in the implementation phase we think it would be valuable to create

[2:59:45] Voice 2: some sort of a toolkit around that I've already mentioned heritage this is a incredibly important

[2:59:52] Voice 2: concern for First Nations and we as I mentioned we it needs priority and

[2:59:59] Voice 2: And.

[3:00:00] Voice 2: Freshwater sustainability, as you have discussed this morning, is also an area of primary concern.

[3:00:06] Voice 2: When we engage with communities, with the public, water and ecosystem change were their primary concerns with regards to climate change.

[3:00:16] Voice 2: And so we've tried to strengthen Section 4.2, which is now Section 4.2.

[3:00:23] Voice 2: And they have not changed in scope, but they have been refined in definition.

[3:00:28] Voice 2: And if you have questions, William is, I believe William is here and could answer some of those in more detail.

[3:00:36] Voice 2: As I mentioned earlier, we've tried to reframe some of this, some of the language that we use.

[3:00:41] Voice 2: That led us to combine the former part three and part four into one section on ecosystem preservation and protection.

[3:00:51] Voice 2: Previously there was a separate section on stewardship.

[3:00:53] Voice 2: We've combined them to reframe some of the language around resources and take a more stewardship-oriented approach.

[3:01:03] Voice 2: And lastly, but definitely not the least in importance, is that we've strengthened protection of shorelines and the foreshore in the new Section 4.6.

[3:01:14] Voice 2: It includes some bold policies, and I would say across the board, there's been quite a lot of support for strengthening, and perhaps we can even take this further.

[3:01:24] Voice 2: And again, all grounded in the notion that we're trying to shift business as usual.

[3:01:33] Voice 2: So we thought we might just highlight a few of the implementation considerations that might be particularly relevant to this committee and the work that you're undertaking.

[3:01:46] Voice 2: We have not engaged in implementation in a, that is the next phase of this project.

[3:01:53] Voice 2: So I'm just flagging some early notions here. We have certainly put our minds to implementation when crafting the policies, but these all need to be fleshed out more in the next phase after a trust council adopts the policy statement or in the interim period.

[3:02:12] Voice 2: So firstly, we would be amending the policy statement implementation policy, which is a trust council policy that doesn't need to go through the various legislative review or adoption by the Minister.

[3:02:26] Voice 2: And that includes the policy statement directives checklist. So we've received feedback pretty much across the board that the policy directives checklist is not a useful decision tool, or I should say maybe it's lacking.

[3:02:40] Voice 2: And so some of the considerations are perhaps to provide a more explanatory approach as opposed to cursory check marks to invite staff to indicate exactly how each policy has been fulfilled in their staff reports so that there's a better understanding of that.

[3:03:00] Voice 2: But we're thinking also more broadly about different decision tools for that process.

[3:03:05] Voice 2: you will notice in the language that is used in the current in the new draft there's an emphasis

[3:03:12] Voice 2: on trust council's coordination and advocacy role um it's a role um that some feel has been

[3:03:20] Voice 2: under fulfilled um and would certainly require more resources but um is a central role that we

[3:03:26] Voice 2: play and when we looked back into the history of the trust and the creation of the trust

[3:03:31] Voice 2: it was certainly envisioned that the trust would play that kind of leadership role in terms of

[3:03:36] Voice 2: advocating for the trust object with other government agencies so we'd really like to

[3:03:41] Voice 2: look at ways to build and enhance that role. This draft or this vision would require

[3:03:52] Voice 2: a number of educational materials for communities, for the public, to both about the trust object,

[3:04:02] Voice 2: but also ways that residents, visitors, and others can contribute to the fulfillment of

[3:04:09] Voice 2: the vision outlined in this document. And as I noted earlier, the policy statement is a very

[3:04:18] Voice 2: general statement that is meant to be high level enough that it can apply across the region in a

[3:04:24] Voice 2: strategic and visionary way. And so some of the sub categories or some of the topics or thematic

[3:04:33] Voice 2: areas in the policy statement would require more detailed action plans or toolkits or strategies

[3:04:41] Voice 2: such as the freshwater sustainability strategy or the reconciliation action plan, which we already

[3:04:47] Voice 2: have in place perhaps a more dedicated climate action plan that we're working on at the moment.

[3:04:53] Voice 2: So those would be more time specific and more detailed with concrete budgets attached to them

[3:05:02] Voice 2: but the policy statement itself is meant to be at a higher level. There would be implications

[3:05:08] Voice 2: for strategic plans and budgets going forward. We noted the links to this committee and the

[3:05:16] Voice 2: the new regional planning team in terms of the official community plan review, because obviously

[3:05:21] Voice 2: many of the policies in here would mean changes to OCPs. And what we've highlighted here, so this

[3:05:30] Voice 2: is an ambitious, this is an aspirational vision that is outlined here. And if we are to move to

[3:05:37] Voice 2: this more evidence-based approach and including monitoring and evaluation, that would need to

[3:05:44] Voice 2: happen at the trust council level and that would require funding. We felt that that funding

[3:05:49] Voice 2: should not come from the tax base. I don't think that we would have enough within the tax base

[3:05:55] Voice 2: and so this would be really a funding request to the province to say this is the vision we've

[3:06:01] Voice 2: outlined for how we can carry out the trust object that has been entrusted to us and so there could

[3:06:09] Voice 2: be some funding requests i'd also highlight that if we decide to go in this direction there are

[3:06:14] Voice 2: existing funding pools um existing kind of partnerships that we can tap into that wouldn't

[3:06:21] Voice 2: necessarily have to come from you know core funding from the province but there is a need for

[3:06:27] Voice 2: more funding um we also identified a need for more specialist expertise within the islands trust um

[3:06:34] Voice 2: And that, so I would say in the process of this drafting, we, I relied heavily on some of the expertise of our specialists so Lisa, William, and Kate on the conservancy side of things, it was really important to learn from them and get the technical details

[3:06:54] Voice 2: and vision um coming from their expertise um and it did highlight that um there is a there is it

[3:07:02] Voice 2: would be valuable to have some biologists or that kind of in-house expertise um working with

[3:07:08] Voice 2: consultants is a is a very different kind of relationship and i think there was staff felt

[3:07:14] Voice 2: that it would be useful to have um an in-house expertise that gains over time um and that is

[3:07:20] Voice 2: centered in the unique mandate of the trust. That said, the Islands Trust Conservancy is our sister

[3:07:27] Voice 2: kind of organization and there are existing working relationships with the Conservancy that

[3:07:34] Voice 2: could be enhanced in a more strategic way. The staff at Islands Trust Conservancy have noted

[3:07:41] Voice 2: their capacity constraints and so it would need to be in the form of some sort of an agreement

[3:07:49] Voice 2: between the two and I believe that those kinds of agreements already exist. So those are just some

[3:07:54] Voice 2: broad implementation considerations that you might wonder about. And lastly, I'd just like to go over

[3:08:03] Voice 2: the project timeline. So these are moving pieces at the moment. I would highlight

[3:08:10] Voice 2: Trust Programs Committee is going to be meeting on Friday to review some new dates that we've

[3:08:18] Voice 2: proposed we were initially hoping uh for our first reading in june um it looks like that will be

[3:08:25] Voice 2: uh postponed to a special meeting um in the in we're thinking at this point in time uh early

[3:08:33] Voice 2: july so we have this has not been yet approved by trust programs committee or executive committee so

[3:08:39] Voice 2: i just put these out there to give you a broad sense of where we're headed um right now we're

[3:08:44] Voice 2: in this so firstly going back to the project timelines this is these are overarching timelines

[3:08:51] Voice 2: that will help us get um to fourth reading or adoption of the bylaw by the end of term that's

[3:08:59] Voice 2: really a priority goal um for everybody engaged in the project and particularly for nations um

[3:09:05] Voice 2: we've gone through quite a lot of engagement and it would be important that um that it be

[3:09:11] Voice 2: be adopted by the end of term if possible. Right now we're wrapping up stage four and we've had

[3:09:20] Voice 2: public input in the first three stages of the process and we will have public input again in a

[3:09:28] Voice 2: sort of more comprehensive way after first reading. So the idea is that right now we're

[3:09:35] Voice 2: having a number of committee consultations and we expect that there will be iterations of this

[3:09:39] Voice 2: this first draft before it comes to Trust Council for first reading.

[3:09:45] Voice 2: So we've already met with Trust Programs Committee and Executive Committee.

[3:09:50] Voice 2: Today, we're meeting with you.

[3:09:51] Voice 2: We'll meet again with Trust Programs Committee on the 14th.

[3:09:54] Voice 2: And on the 25th, we'll be meeting with the Islands Trust Conservancy Board.

[3:09:58] Voice 2: And the Islands Trust Conservancy Board is considered our referral partner.

[3:10:03] Voice 2: partner. And so we're just giving them some advance kind of notice of the overall project

[3:10:09] Voice 2: and thinking. But it's largely TPC, EC and RPC that will be feeding the iterations of this draft

[3:10:17] Voice 2: as well as some staff planners and specialists. Then we will be incorporating feedback into a

[3:10:25] Voice 2: revised draft based on everything you've told us. And at the moment, TPC has identified the need for

[3:10:32] Voice 2: for another, because they're the body

[3:10:36] Voice 2: that is going to be recommending this document

[3:10:39] Voice 2: to trust council, they need to see the final version

[3:10:43] Voice 2: before it goes forward.

[3:10:44] Voice 2: So we'll be having another meeting with them tentatively

[3:10:47] Voice 2: on June 15th, we're hoping that executive committee

[3:10:50] Voice 2: could then see it on it's regularly scheduled 23rd meeting.

[3:10:56] Voice 2: And this hasn't yet been scheduled,

[3:11:00] Voice 2: but July 8th is the date that we've identified for a possible first reading. I would note that

[3:11:08] Voice 2: based on July 8th, this timeline does get us to ideally to fourth reading, but this is really

[3:11:16] Voice 2: subject to the amount of revisions that are needed going forward. So this is a, these are moving

[3:11:22] Voice 2: pieces. And again, to highlight that our engagement with First Nations is ongoing.

[3:11:30] Voice 2: Yes. And I don't know, Lisa, if you want to mention anything at this stage.

[3:11:34] Voice 2: I

[3:11:37] Voice 6: think some of the members of the committee will recall back quite a while ago,

[3:11:45] Voice 6: we initially tried to engage on the policy statement with First Nations,

[3:11:49] Voice 6: and we didn't receive any comment over since that time over the last two years

[3:11:57] Voice 6: we've really worked so hard and I know all of you have also worked really hard

[3:12:01] Voice 6: to build the trust in our engagement with nations to start creating new relationships

[3:12:09] Voice 6: both built on the Islands Trust Reconciliation Declaration and the Reconciliation Action Plan

[3:12:17] Voice 6: This changed how nations started to view us, and we started to see a real focus on wanting to be part of this important foundation document that helps make land use decisions in the trust area and within their treaty and traditional territorial lands and waters.

[3:12:40] Voice 6: so it's just been a really surprising for me to see that change and that shift over time

[3:12:49] Voice 6: so as you can see where we're meeting with you on committee we're also beginning to share the

[3:12:56] Voice 6: document with the nations that received capacity funding to comment on the policy statement and

[3:13:03] Voice 6: then after first reading we will send that to all the different first nations there's the

[3:13:09] Voice 6: the, well, there'll probably be 33 different nations that we'll work and engage with

[3:13:14] Voice 6: for them to review it. But we will be working very closely with the nations that received

[3:13:20] Voice 6: capacity funding and having meetings with them. We had an initial meeting the other day with the

[3:13:26] Voice 6: Masonic Leadership Council and their technical advisory team. And I think for them to see a

[3:13:35] Voice 6: document that no longer had that language in it that was so offensive to see the words about

[3:13:42] Voice 6: acknowledging a place just to see uh acknowledgement that said that the islands trust acknowledged

[3:13:52] Voice 6: the treaty and traditional territories i think for them even that was really surprising

[3:13:58] Voice 6: surprising and then to see where we had incorporated in their comments into the different

[3:14:05] Voice 6: sections and also created uh part five um i think they were quite surprised because i don't know

[3:14:15] Voice 6: whether they really thought that we would incorporate their comments so i just thought

[3:14:20] Voice 6: i would share that with you so that you know how nation like that was an engagement with three

[3:14:26] Voice 6: different nations that we had and how that trust is ongoing and we have to continue to humbly

[3:14:35] Voice 6: reach out and build it in the best way that we can to move forward in a good way reconciliation

[3:14:43] Voice 6: includes our own initiatives within the islands trust to do this work and i think also with the

[3:14:49] Voice 6: ministries that we're meeting with they're also really excited to see this document when it comes

[3:14:54] Voice 6: to them we've been talking to them about it and our engagement with nations and they really want

[3:15:01] Voice 6: to see something that shows that implementation of DRIPA and that's how what they are really

[3:15:06] Voice 6: feeling about this document that it will be the first document that shows that at a both a local

[3:15:13] Voice 6: government level and as us as a special purpose government the implementation of DRIPA so as I

[3:15:22] Voice 6: said like it's quite historic for for the area so so everybody should be feeling really proud

[3:15:28] Voice 6: about all of the work they've done and how um how much uh um these initiatives are because of

[3:15:37] Voice 6: that work you undertook of reconciliation and the work that you undertook at the very beginning of

[3:15:44] Voice 6: your term so everyone should feel really uh positive and proud about how you're moving

[3:15:50] Voice 6: moving forward and how you're paddling in the canoe together so thank you thank you Lisa

[3:15:57] Voice 2: so we'll just um and that's a kind of a broad overview I'm sure that you'll have some questions

[3:16:04] Voice 2: and we're happy to bring up the actual draft and address any clarifying questions that you have

[3:16:11] Voice 2: and at this stage in the process we're not looking necessarily for particular motions or things

[3:16:17] Voice 2: because we expect that this draft is going to change um before it gets to first reading we

[3:16:22] Voice 2: mainly wanted to present it to you and ask at a broad level whether this committee feels that

[3:16:28] Voice 2: the document fulfills trust council's direction to update the policy statement and whether you

[3:16:33] Voice 2: have any um clarifying questions so i wonder chair bushaken if at this point it would be

[3:16:39] Voice 2: suitable to pass it back to you as the chair to navigate the discussion that

[3:16:44] Trustee Busheikin: sounds great yes

[3:16:46] Trustee Busheikin: Yes. So, and we can see the question, oh, the question's gone, for us to look at. And

[3:16:53] Trustee Busheikin: because there's so much we could talk about, this is a big document. Does Regional Planning

[3:17:01] Trustee Busheikin: Committee feel that this document fulfills Trust Council's direction to update policy statements?

[3:17:07] Trustee Busheikin: So that's, that is that the main question? Are there other questions coming? Or this is the

[3:17:13] Trustee Busheikin: the question this

[3:17:14] Voice 2: is the question okay yeah

[3:17:17] Trustee Busheikin: okay um i'm looking at the list so we're going to use

[3:17:23] Trustee Busheikin: our electronic hands please and as i said before if i miss your electronic hand just verbally give

[3:17:29] Trustee Busheikin: me a nudge and i'm going to take the hands as i see them so trustee wolverton go ahead

[3:17:34] Trustee Busheikin: okay

[3:17:36] Voice 21: um i just want to say i found this a much more readable document than the previous uh

[3:17:43] Voice 21: policy statement. And I really, I do like the new sort of organization of it.

[3:17:52] Voice 21: I had some specific questions, but I don't know if you want to take like really detailed

[3:17:58] Voice 21: questions now, or if you, okay, so there's that question. But the other is, I had a look at the

[3:18:08] Voice 21: rain coast uh suggestions for and i wondered if those have been incorporated or will be

[3:18:16] Voice 21: incorporated in the new draft because there were some really i thought some very good um

[3:18:21] Voice 21: minor you know minor changes and some some other ones um but let me just say one thing

[3:18:27] Voice 21: uh in the statements that it's said many times throughout the document trust council shall

[3:18:36] Voice 21: shall coordinate and advocate to federal and provincial governments and I wondered if it

[3:18:41] Voice 21: should be coordinate with and advocate to because it's throughout the document so I wasn't sure

[3:18:49] Voice 21: that that was kind of just a language thing but I don't know how how much detail you want to go into

[3:18:57] Voice 21: at this point yeah

[3:19:00] Voice 2: so what we did with a trust programs committee and granted we had a bit more

[3:19:04] Voice 2: time with them, but we first entertained clarification questions and then comments on

[3:19:10] Voice 2: that on the discussion question I posed. I don't know if that's a helpful approach, Chair?

[3:19:18] Trustee Busheikin: Well it is, it's hard to know the difference. I mean that

[3:19:23] Trustee Busheikin: that was, you know,

[3:19:26] Trustee Busheikin: it was a mixture of clarification, there was some suggestion in there,

[3:19:32] Trustee Busheikin: um so i'm not really okay i don't

[3:19:38] Voice 2: think i can upgrade all of that

[3:19:40] Voice 2: i'm happy to just take

[3:19:41] Voice 2: questions as they come perhaps i can address trustee wolverton's thank you did you have

[3:19:47] Voice 2: something to say first i have

[3:19:48] Voice 21: just one other thing which is in 4.4.5 uh line two the there's

[3:19:54] Voice 21: a problematic question uh sentence okay i'll pull that up in a second

[3:19:59] Voice 2: so first of all uh uh thank you

[3:20:02] Voice 2: you for the feedback and um with regards to the rain coast correspondence are you referring to

[3:20:07] Voice 2: the most recent one that came to trust programs committee or the original one that came to trust

[3:20:12] Voice 2: council i think both

[3:20:13] Voice 21: but the most recent one was may 6th oh

[3:20:16] Voice 2: yes yeah so that one is going to be

[3:20:18] Voice 2: considered by trust programs committee on at its meeting on friday and then the committee at this

[3:20:23] Voice 2: stage as i'm sure you could understand it's uh very difficult to co-write a document with 26

[3:20:31] Voice 2: six people so we're asking for feedback from committees as a whole um of course clarifying

[3:20:37] Voice 2: questions are welcome but uh so tpc will consider all the feedback that's come in

[3:20:42] Voice 2: and then guide us as to which revisions to make that's the approach we're taking um and then yes

[3:20:49] Voice 2: the coordinate with and advocate to i'll take a look at that yeah sometimes i think what you're

[3:20:55] Voice 2: getting at is is a good comment and then let me just pull up the actual document so i'm just going

[3:21:02] Voice 2: to jump

[3:21:03] Trustee Busheikin: in here and say like i i'd like to ask us to not get into detailed linguistic comments

[3:21:10] Trustee Busheikin: because i think this is so many people are looking at this i think let's let's trust that if

[3:21:15] Trustee Busheikin: the grammar punctuation word choice isn't quite right that someone will catch it down the way

[3:21:20] Trustee Busheikin: and it may change and it just um it can just get really detailed and I don't think that we need to

[3:21:27] Trustee Busheikin: do that I really trust that enough smart people will look at this that those things will be caught

[3:21:32] Trustee Busheikin: those linguistic issues and if not we can always do it later on so it's like oh my god a comment

[3:21:38] Trustee Busheikin: in the right in the wrong place and I'll be there I'm happy to do that as we all know

[3:21:42] Voice 2: Thank, yes, thank you. And so it was 4.4, 4.4.5, Trustee Wolff?

[3:21:49] Voice 2: Yes.

[3:21:50] Voice 2: Okay. And-

[3:21:51] Voice 21: Where it says, encourage sustainable farming, consider-

[3:21:55] Voice 2: Oh,

[3:21:55] Voice 21: that's, yeah, sorry. That's a

[3:21:57] Voice 13: typo. Thank you. Okay.

[3:22:00] Trustee Busheikin: And thank you, Jane, and it is good to catch those. But yes, I'm going to ask again that we,

[3:22:06] Trustee Busheikin: we, this is an early draft. And so let's assume that typos will be caught down the road

[3:22:13] Trustee Busheikin: eventually. Cause I just, I don't want to spend our meeting time or just make a note of them and

[3:22:18] Trustee Busheikin: I'll throw them inside till the next time we see this. Okay. Was that, did you address

[3:22:24] Trustee Busheikin: all

[3:22:25] Voice 2: of trustee Wolverton's concerns? Trustee Wolverton, did you have anything else?

[3:22:33] Voice 2: I do

[3:22:35] Voice 21: have one comment but um I don't know if it's just like a picky language thing or

[3:22:40] Voice 21: it's on page 49 under indigenous cultural heritage line three okay uh where it says

[3:22:48] Voice 21: and unknown archaeological areas and I wondered if if that would if it would be better to say

[3:22:54] Voice 21: something like as as yet unidentified

[3:22:57] Voice 2: because

[3:22:59] Voice 21: i i don't know i mean yeah

[3:23:02] Voice 2: i don't know

[3:23:03] Voice 2: we'll

[3:23:04] Voice 2: note that down yeah i don't

[3:23:06] Voice 6: know those areas

[3:23:07] Voice 6: may already be identified by first nations

[3:23:11] Voice 6: yeah and they may also be identified by us however they might be confidential

[3:23:16] Voice 6: so they would just remain unknown to the public or to others but they may not be unknown to staff or

[3:23:23] Voice 6: or experts, or First Nations.

[3:23:26] Voice 6: Okay.

[3:23:28] Voice 21: All right.

[3:23:29] Voice 21: That's clear.

[3:23:32] Voice 6: Hopefully that clarifies that a little bit more.

[3:23:34] Voice 6: So we usually do use that term of known and unknown.

[3:23:38] Voice 6: Okay.

[3:23:38] Voice 6: It's who does the unknowing.

[3:23:41] Voice 6: It's not everybody unknows it, just some.

[3:23:50] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[3:23:50] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[3:23:51] Trustee Busheikin: That was all.

[3:23:52] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[3:23:52] Trustee Busheikin: Good.

[3:23:53] Trustee Busheikin: And I'll just remind us that the main question is, does this, I believe, does this draft document do what was set out to do in a general way?

[3:24:06] Trustee Busheikin: And I guess, if not, what's missing?

[3:24:10] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm going to go to Patrick.

[3:24:12] Trustee Busheikin: No, I'm going to go to Stanford, Trustee Stanford.

[3:24:15] Trustee Busheikin: Go ahead.

[3:24:15] Trustee Busheikin: Thank

[3:24:17] Trustee Stamford: you. And a huge thank you to the staff and the Trust Programs Committee. This is a tremendous amount of work. And I agree that it definitely does a lot more towards a much more current and important statement that I can stand behind.

[3:24:40] Trustee Stamford: there's one thing that I feel is missing a little bit and that's sort of at the beginning

[3:24:45] Trustee Stamford: introductory is we always talk about islands but we don't actually define why they're important

[3:24:51] Trustee Stamford: and that's always something that's kind of struck me as odd is we don't clarify why we are focusing

[3:25:00] Trustee Stamford: so much on islands and that they are a bounded system that they their their ecologies are more

[3:25:07] Trustee Stamford: more sensitive, their water issues are more critical than they would be in a larger area

[3:25:14] Trustee Stamford: that has more options. So it's some kind of additional statement that acknowledges

[3:25:21] Trustee Stamford: what islands are in a more geological sense rather than a community or cultural sense.

[3:25:30] Trustee Stamford: And also, I understand that the way this document is written, it's written for us to read,

[3:25:37] Trustee Stamford: I'm hoping that the overall policy statement is portrayed and visualized more as pillars, so that things don't look like they're more important or less important, that

[3:25:52] Trustee Stamford: we have a sense that we have pillars that we stand and they're all equally important to the work we do.

[3:25:59] Trustee Stamford: So that's just my overall comments.

[3:26:01] Trustee Stamford: Thank

[3:26:04] Voice 2: you, Trustee Stamford. Yes, great. Thanks for the feedback. And yes, one of the things that we're going to highlight in more detailed presentations about the policy statement is that the idea is that the document should always be read as a whole, and not just its individual parts.

[3:26:21] Voice 2: And hopefully that overall approach and the pillars become clear when considering the document as a whole.

[3:26:29] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[3:26:30] Trustee Busheikin: thank you uh trustee

[3:26:33] Trustee Patrick: patrick sorry i'm not laughing at you delaney if we can get people

[3:26:37] Trustee Patrick: to read the trust object statement as a whole that would be great i absolutely agree i want

[3:26:45] Trustee Patrick: i am very grateful to stop i've had an opportunity to comment more so i'm not going to get into all

[3:26:50] Trustee Patrick: of my comments and i'm thankful but i wanted to bring up one in particular well because i'm on

[3:26:55] Trustee Patrick: this committee too um the first nations and the heritage and everything that's been added i'm

[3:27:00] Trustee Patrick: I'm 100 percent. It's fantastic to see. And I'm so supportive of where we're going and what I'm seeing.

[3:27:06] Trustee Patrick: But the community, the integrating the community.

[3:27:09] Trustee Patrick: And I think we saw a little bit of that this morning when we have the first goal of our water, freshwater saying, you know, all we care about is ecosystems.

[3:27:16] Trustee Patrick: And then the second one, it said First Nations ecosystems, community well-being and its relation to decision making.

[3:27:23] Trustee Patrick: And I think that's been my encouragement is I understand the cultural reasons that community, the context of the word brings up, and that I've encouraged us to let's just define it. Let's have our definition of what community is in the document. And if it's based on First Nations knowledge, that's what it's based on.

[3:27:43] Trustee Patrick: I know in the cultural heritage in the cultural knowledge meeting we had last week with water I

[3:27:48] Trustee Patrick: did ask the question specifically because they always spoke about the place and and the being

[3:27:54] Trustee Patrick: and I said well we tend to look at these things and chop them up into silos and buckets and and

[3:28:00] Trustee Patrick: I loved what Harold Joe said it's like you know we always talk about human beings but we don't

[3:28:05] Trustee Patrick: talk about being human and and I just thought that was such beautiful words that are being shared

[3:28:12] Trustee Patrick: and that we need to you know I think that solves a lot of the problem that we have and we should

[3:28:17] Trustee Patrick: just own it define it and and put it in here not be afraid to use the word thank you again again

[3:28:24] Trustee Patrick: thank

[3:28:24] Voice 2: you thank you I should also just say um trustee Patrick and trustee Fast uh as the as

[3:28:33] Voice 2: executive committee members joined that May 3rd meeting so really it was a meeting with

[3:28:38] Voice 2: TPC and executive committee. Thank you.

[3:28:41] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. I'll remind people to take their hands down

[3:28:45] Trustee Busheikin: unless they want to speak a second time or ask a question again, which is fine. I did have myself

[3:28:50] Trustee Busheikin: on the speakers list. And so I want to echo everyone who's spoken whether, you know, a big

[3:28:55] Trustee Busheikin: thank you for this huge piece of work. I think it does pretty much fulfill what we were hoping. I

[3:29:08] Trustee Busheikin: so new that it's a break with the past um i uh have a few comments i want to um just follow on

[3:29:19] Trustee Busheikin: from what trustee patrick just said is i i would like to see partly so that we don't maybe need to

[3:29:25] Trustee Busheikin: keep spending so many hours discussing it uh in the section one point for the islands trust object

[3:29:30] Trustee Busheikin: object and its meaning. There is nothing, the word community or human settlement or anything

[3:29:39] Trustee Busheikin: that isn't even mentioned. And we, you know, we just put a huge amount of energy and time in

[3:29:45] Trustee Busheikin: discussion and we wrote things and staff working on it. We had a whole session about what does

[3:29:51] Trustee Busheikin: these, what do unique amenities mean? And there was, I mean, it was contentious, but we did vote

[3:29:56] Trustee Busheikin: in favor that that it could

[3:30:00] Trustee Busheikin: include and there were some words you know diverse healthy communities that you know I don't remember

[3:30:07] Trustee Busheikin: but have that that exemplify values of living lightly on the land and self-sufficiency and

[3:30:14] Trustee Busheikin: that kind of thing and I would like to see that in there to just to make that clear and then we

[3:30:20] Trustee Busheikin: can also define it and where does it fit within that it's it's not the number one thing but it

[3:30:25] Trustee Busheikin: It is part of it.

[3:30:26] Trustee Busheikin: And I think not having it there is really contrary to what happened at Last Trust Council.

[3:30:32] Trustee Busheikin: So that's one thing I would encourage.

[3:30:34] Trustee Busheikin: You mentioned that caring capacity has come under question.

[3:30:37] Trustee Busheikin: I had a lot of questions reading it every time I saw that.

[3:30:40] Trustee Busheikin: It kind of stopped me because I think it's actually a scientific technical term with

[3:30:44] Trustee Busheikin: a specific meaning that needs to be specifically measured and monitored, which means you need

[3:30:50] Trustee Busheikin: a lot of money and experts to do that.

[3:30:52] Trustee Busheikin: It's not a subjective decision.

[3:30:54] Trustee Busheikin: it's not a political decision and it seems like it's just left out there for LTCs to say well

[3:30:59] Trustee Busheikin: and I just don't think that's what carrying capacity is and I know that is challenging

[3:31:05] Trustee Busheikin: and also that there's a lot of focus on mapping in terms like informed by mapping and

[3:31:14] Trustee Busheikin: yeah it's another complicated one because yes let's be evidence-based and let's be science-based

[3:31:20] Trustee Busheikin: and at the same time my experience with mapping is that there's always huge

[3:31:26] Trustee Busheikin: there's that phrase it's not the story of the battle it's the battle of the story and it's

[3:31:30] Trustee Busheikin: kind of like that with mapping whenever there's mapping there's people who come in and do mapping

[3:31:34] Trustee Busheikin: and they use science and and measuring tools and all of that but then there's locals that show up

[3:31:40] Trustee Busheikin: and they say no wait like there is no stream they're like I'll take you there and that it

[3:31:44] Trustee Busheikin: isn't like that and and it just becomes this endless um argument that and I just don't know

[3:31:52] Trustee Busheikin: what to do about that um and uh that's maybe a bigger question uh and then um a couple more

[3:32:00] Trustee Busheikin: things I have to say I the phrase no more business as usual just hit me in in a not in a good way I

[3:32:09] Trustee Busheikin: It's negative. I find it a little populist. It defines what we're not doing. It sounds like it's anti-business, which is kind of political. And there are great businesses out there. And I know it's not meant that way. I just think it could be switched.

[3:32:28] Trustee Busheikin: I like that you need a tagline and it signals bold and courageous but like you use the term

[3:32:34] Trustee Busheikin: bold approaches like what are we trying to do not what are we not trying to do or even it sounds

[3:32:40] Trustee Busheikin: like what we're not allowing people to do and people I mean we are not allowing people to do

[3:32:46] Trustee Busheikin: things but people don't always want to hear that right away and I don't think I think we want to

[3:32:50] Trustee Busheikin: inspire people more than wag our fingers at them and say you're not going to be allowed to

[3:32:54] Trustee Busheikin: uh so and then um i guess just a one specific thing like is this an okay time to comment

[3:33:03] Trustee Busheikin: specifically on a policy or is okay is there's a policy um i think it's on page 55 to do with

[3:33:11] Trustee Busheikin: housing i have page 104 i kind of read the whole thing and don't have all my comments necessarily

[3:33:18] Trustee Busheikin: It's a policy that continues about not increasing density in areas where there's known concerns or challenges with water availability.

[3:33:32] Trustee Busheikin: And I support that.

[3:33:33] Trustee Busheikin: But what we've seen specifically on Denman is a project that came forward that was looking at innovating and using water catchment solely as a source of water in a really bold and innovative way.

[3:33:47] Trustee Busheikin: and they were working with Island Health and Flynn Road

[3:33:50] Trustee Busheikin: to actually push our regulatory environment to allow that,

[3:33:53] Trustee Busheikin: got kind of stuck on that.

[3:33:55] Trustee Busheikin: And I would like to see that changed with something around

[3:33:59] Trustee Busheikin: unless sufficient water conservation measures are taken

[3:34:04] Trustee Busheikin: to entirely mitigate the impact on the aquifer.

[3:34:09] Trustee Busheikin: Because I think that opens the door to that kind of innovation

[3:34:12] Trustee Busheikin: with things like water attachment or greywater reuse.

[3:34:17] Trustee Busheikin: which I think we want to see more of. And if some project wants to do that, I'd like to encourage

[3:34:21] Trustee Busheikin: them. And then the only other thing I noticed that wasn't there that I know was wanted to be there

[3:34:26] Trustee Busheikin: was a definition of housing. And

[3:34:29] Voice 11: I say that

[3:34:30] Trustee Busheikin: with some trepidation because I think, I mean,

[3:34:32] Trustee Busheikin: not housing, affordable housing, it is hard to define because housing needs change so much and

[3:34:38] Trustee Busheikin: span such a huge spectrum. But I just know that people had wanted that. I think council had asked

[3:34:45] Trustee Busheikin: for that and I don't see it there and I would say if it's going to be in there I'd like to see it

[3:34:49] Trustee Busheikin: be really broad and maybe be linked to evidence and housing needs assessments so that that can

[3:34:55] Trustee Busheikin: be very personalized to each LTC because we do have these housing needs assessments and they do

[3:35:00] Trustee Busheikin: tell us based on evidence what kind of affordable housing is most needed whether it's lower and

[3:35:08] Trustee Busheikin: And rental housing, whether it's entry-level, ownership housing, and everything.

[3:35:15] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, there's a spectrum.

[3:35:16] Trustee Busheikin: So I guess if there is going to be a definition of housing, I'd like to respect that spectrum

[3:35:20] Trustee Busheikin: and allow each LTC based on evidence to work with its own context.

[3:35:28] Trustee Busheikin: And that's me.

[3:35:29] Trustee Busheikin: That's my comment.

[3:35:30] Trustee Busheikin: And

[3:35:31] Voice 2: I'll lower my hand.

[3:35:32] Voice 2: Okay, thank you.

[3:35:34] Voice 2: So all great feedback.

[3:35:35] Voice 2: back um i think yeah i'll just mention that um staff misinterpreted the trust council motion

[3:35:43] Voice 2: around um including the language or including considering healthy and inclusive communities

[3:35:50] Voice 2: as part of the trust object what we took that to mean was um related to the policies um and and

[3:35:56] Voice 2: we really attempted to uplift uh the new part six and address those those policies but of course

[3:36:03] Voice 2: some of our thinking was a bit implicit in the first section so we're going to now make that

[3:36:09] Voice 2: more explicit so that is a change that TPC flagged as well TPC and EC and so yes that will

[3:36:16] Voice 2: that will be changed to reflect the the motion from council and regarding the definition yes so

[3:36:24] Voice 2: as I mentioned TPC struck a working group on affordable housing as part of this work and

[3:36:30] Voice 2: And that working group had a really hard time, basically found it very difficult to define affordable housing in a way that could be applied across the region.

[3:36:41] Voice 2: But that was it. So we didn't attempt to in this draft, but it was noted that that was part of the strategic plans direction that hasn't been fulfilled.

[3:36:53] Voice 2: filled. So the only definition that has been proposed to date is from the Canada Mortgage

[3:36:57] Voice 2: and Housing Corporation that the Regional District of Nanaimo uses. So that came forward as a

[3:37:03] Voice 2: suggestion from one of the TPC trustees. And on Friday, they'll decide how to deal with that. But

[3:37:09] Voice 2: we will try to work towards the definition. Yeah. Good luck.

[3:37:15] Trustee Busheikin: Thanks. I see Trustee Wolverton's hand is up. Go ahead.

[3:37:24] Voice 21: hi um oh just i forgot one final thing was um i'm hoping that the definitions or glossary will come

[3:37:32] Voice 21: back in because i i think it's it is very useful and i know that the comment was that well it's

[3:37:38] Voice 21: things are defined within the document but when things are referred to multiple times i think for

[3:37:44] Voice 21: some people would be easy to here to go to a a glossary or definitions page yes

[3:37:51] Voice 2: that has been

[3:37:51] Voice 2: And that was also raised by one of the trustees in TPC.

[3:37:55] Voice 2: And we have mixed feedback about that so far.

[3:38:00] Voice 2: And I don't know if David's on the call,

[3:38:02] Voice 2: if you wanted to speak to the notion of the definitions section.

[3:38:07] Voice 1: Yeah, sure.

[3:38:09] Voice 1: I can do that.

[3:38:11] Voice 1: Policy documents usually want to limit the number of definitions because it is

[3:38:16] Voice 1: an interpretive document.

[3:38:17] Voice 1: It's intended to be interpreted.

[3:38:20] Voice 1: So this is trust counsel's document.

[3:38:22] Voice 1: So ultimately, a trust counsel would determine what things mean in that document.

[3:38:28] Voice 1: You know, one possibility is that counsel could issue statements about its position

[3:38:35] Voice 1: with respect to certain policies that would be helpful to trust committees down the road

[3:38:39] Voice 1: and, you know, an interpretation.

[3:38:42] Voice 1: But the more you define something in a policy document, the more restrictive it becomes

[3:38:47] Voice 1: when you start to write policy documents that fall under it

[3:38:52] Voice 1: or regulatory documents that fall under that.

[3:38:55] Voice 1: So at the highest level, it's best, I think,

[3:38:58] Voice 1: to keep it as general as possible

[3:39:05] Voice 1: and provide that leeway for local trust committees

[3:39:08] Voice 1: to make some interpretations that fit within the intent

[3:39:13] Voice 1: of the policy statement.

[3:39:16] Voice 2: Yeah, and I would add that in terms of that revision of the implementation policy, the policy statement implementation policy, that could be a piece of work there, like almost like an interpretive guide to the policy statement, so we've considered that.

[3:39:35] Voice 2: Thank

[3:39:37] Trustee Busheikin: you, and I've got myself on the speakers list again and I just wanted to share something that I learned at a very good C2C session

[3:39:44] Trustee Busheikin: hosted by the Comox First Nation and Indigenous woman Jessica Wood who is the Assistant Deputy

[3:39:53] Trustee Busheikin: Minister with the Ministry of I think they're MER now Ministry of Indigenous Relations and

[3:39:58] Trustee Busheikin: Reconciliation she gave a great talk I actually sent out links and again I would recommend it

[3:40:04] Trustee Busheikin: she's been very involved in in she's been very involved in the creation of DRIPA and discussions

[3:40:09] Trustee Busheikin: around implementing DRIPA, so really important work.

[3:40:13] Trustee Busheikin: And she talked about one of the recommendations

[3:40:20] Trustee Busheikin: she had brought forward to DRIPA was not to have definitions

[3:40:23] Trustee Busheikin: but to have interpretations.

[3:40:25] Trustee Busheikin: And it had to do with, how could I put it?

[3:40:31] Trustee Busheikin: These may not be her words.

[3:40:33] Trustee Busheikin: um you know settler institutions defining things for indigenous people because the definition is

[3:40:42] Trustee Busheikin: very linear and very strict and that instead she suggested there be an interpretations section

[3:40:49] Trustee Busheikin: that um is closer than to at least incorporating the perhaps some indigenous approaches to to

[3:40:58] Trustee Busheikin: knowledge and uh which tend to be less um sort of pinpointed uh

[3:41:05] Trustee Busheikin: so that it's just i wanted to

[3:41:08] Trustee Busheikin: bring that forward because it was a quite a profound uh teaching that she was bringing

[3:41:12] Trustee Busheikin: forward yes

[3:41:14] Voice 2: thank you trevor shake and you i recall you're mentioning that at trust council

[3:41:18] Voice 2: in the discussion and that did inform our thinking so um yes thank you for that and the the idea was

[3:41:26] Voice 2: was that the preamble to each policy part

[3:41:30] Voice 2: or each sort of part of the policy statement

[3:41:33] Voice 2: would give the interpretive context

[3:41:35] Voice 2: to interpreting that section.

[3:41:37] Voice 2: And we've received some feedback

[3:41:40] Voice 2: that that brings more clarity,

[3:41:41] Voice 2: but of course all feedback's welcome

[3:41:44] Voice 2: and we'll just consider it all as we do the next draft.

[3:41:48] Trustee Busheikin: Thanks.

[3:41:49] Trustee Busheikin: Peter Luckum, go ahead.

[3:41:55] Voice 28: Okay, unmuted and video

[3:41:57] Voice 28: on.

[3:42:01] Voice 28: Thank you. I was reviewing my notes. I'm very thankful for this conversation here today.

[3:42:10] Voice 28: And I only have one additional thing that hasn't been raised that I wrote, I raised at TPC. And I

[3:42:17] Voice 28: want to raise it here just in the event that there's additional stimulation for conversation.

[3:42:24] Voice 28: And yes, Delaney, I

[3:42:25] Voice 28: plan on making a submission to you. I wanted to hear today's conversation.

[3:42:28] Voice 28: conversation. Under 4.6.7, under policies, one of the items that some of you will be familiar with

[3:42:36] Voice 28: is my concern about the artificial reefs should not be developed. And despite being a scuba diver,

[3:42:42] Voice 28: I'm not necessarily in favor of artificial reefs. However, I think that that language that's used

[3:42:47] Voice 28: specifically there does not capture the essence of what we should be concerned about, which is

[3:42:53] Voice 28: is ocean dumping. Artificial reefs up until this point have been created through ocean dumping

[3:43:00] Voice 28: permits. And there's definitely a problem with that. That's been brought to our attention by

[3:43:07] Voice 28: First Nations in that there are areas adjacent to harvesting sites, et cetera. And I would be

[3:43:15] Voice 28: suggesting that artificial reefs should not be developed, is that ocean dumping should not be

[3:43:21] Voice 28: permitted and subsequently artificial reef should not be permitted unless there's significant

[3:43:29] Voice 28: environmental benefit of which simply throwing something in the water like a rope and it

[3:43:35] Voice 28: collects barnacles I don't think is necessarily a rationale for creating an artificial reef in

[3:43:41] Voice 28: an area that might be depleted of life where there's potential to restore some habitat which

[3:43:48] Voice 28: which is different, that might be feasible.

[3:43:51] Voice 28: But I just wanted to raise that point

[3:43:52] Voice 28: for the committee to be aware.

[3:43:54] Voice 28: I'm happy to hear any other comments.

[3:43:57] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[3:44:02] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm just pausing to see if Delaney

[3:44:05] Trustee Busheikin: had any comments on that.

[3:44:07] Trustee Busheikin: I don't have any

[3:44:08] Voice 2: comments at this stage,

[3:44:10] Voice 2: other than if other trustees have anything

[3:44:13] Voice 2: to weigh in on that, I'd love to hear.

[3:44:17] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so I thought I would go to Trustee Longer

[3:44:20] Trustee Busheikin: because Trustee Stamford has already spoken once,

[3:44:23] Trustee Busheikin: but you'll go next,

[3:44:24] Trustee Busheikin: but I'll be trying to take people who haven't spoken first.

[3:44:26] Trustee Busheikin: So go ahead.

[3:44:27] Voice 23: Thank you.

[3:44:28] Voice 23: I just wanted to concur with what Peter Luckum said

[3:44:31] Voice 23: about ocean dumping,

[3:44:33] Voice 23: because that would also include dredging materials

[3:44:36] Voice 23: that's being dumped in the waters right now

[3:44:39] Voice 23: in off of Nanaimo and in Vancouver area.

[3:44:43] Voice 23: And so I do like that idea of changing the wording.

[3:44:48] Voice 23: Thank you.

[3:44:50] Trustee Busheikin: okay trustee stamford

[3:44:51] Trustee Busheikin: yes

[3:44:53] Trustee Stamford: i was hoping um chair luckham would bring up the um

[3:44:58] Trustee Stamford: the idea of the artificial reefs given that not only do we have a large and very successful

[3:45:05] Trustee Stamford: um some people say it's an artificial reef other people say it's a military dump but it it did um

[3:45:13] Trustee Stamford: develop into a more complex relationship opportunity with the local First Nations.

[3:45:21] Trustee Stamford: And I see that continuing so that it has been quite awkward to have this feature in the Gambier

[3:45:30] Trustee Stamford: waters and not be able to work around the issues that it brings up or whether or not they want to

[3:45:39] Trustee Stamford: expand it so there's all this conversation that we've got sort of a hands-off development or

[3:45:46] Trustee Stamford: approach to just because we're against the whole idea of it and i think that's throwing the baby

[3:45:51] Trustee Stamford: out of the bath water on that one because we do have some very successful um smaller

[3:45:57] Trustee Stamford: artificial reef features that are much more delicate and much more in line with what i'd

[3:46:03] Trustee Stamford: like to see promoted in areas especially in the house sound that has been degraded so badly

[3:46:09] Trustee Stamford: and that could really do with some support like our official release thank

[3:46:17] Trustee Busheikin: you uh trustee peterson

[3:46:20] Trustee Busheikin: yeah

[3:46:23] Voice 3: i just wanted to thank chair luckham for bringing that up because i agree it's uh

[3:46:30] Voice 3: there there's there's some in some cases there's some potential for for uh environmental benefit

[3:46:36] Voice 3: it um and so yes let's not be absolute uh in those exact terms there i support that okay thank you

[3:46:48] Trustee Busheikin: um anyone else um because i i seem to have a lot of comments um uh and uh so not seeing any other

[3:47:00] Trustee Busheikin: hands i'll add i think this will be my last comment um

[3:47:05] Trustee Busheikin: on page 55 there's a policy a new one

[3:47:11] Trustee Busheikin: 6.2.5 uh local trust committees and island municipalities shall in their official community

[3:47:17] Trustee Busheikin: plans and regulatory bylaws identify and assess the impacts of short-term rentals

[3:47:23] Trustee Busheikin: of residential dwelling on the availability of safe secure and affordable housing

[3:47:28] Trustee Busheikin: um etc etc i mean i i like this sentiment but i feel like that isn't there's a because something

[3:47:38] Trustee Busheikin: that isn't shouldn't be political or subjective then becomes subjective and i i feel like there

[3:47:45] Trustee Busheikin: must by now be some um uh like evidence-based even if some of that evidence is qualitative

[3:47:54] Trustee Busheikin: and not quantitative, some evidence-based analysis of the impacts of short-term vacation rentals

[3:48:02] Trustee Busheikin: on housing availability and affordability. Like, I don't think it's the kind of thing that you can

[3:48:09] Trustee Busheikin: really answer just by kind of getting a feel of the community. Maybe you think you can, but I feel

[3:48:14] Trustee Busheikin: like that should be evidence-based and it should be trust-wide. And it should be based on, I mean,

[3:48:19] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, there must be people studying that at this point and we should have that information.

[3:48:26] Trustee Busheikin: And then instead of letting each LTC assess that, they should perhaps be considering those impacts in how they regulate and limit the number of short-term vacation rentals.

[3:48:45] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:48:46] Voice 2: Thank you for that question.

[3:48:49] Voice 2: question. So in the work of the working group, the affordable housing working group, we did look at

[3:48:55] Voice 2: this and did look at some sort of evidence-based studies produced by BC

[3:49:01] Voice 2: Housing, which indicate

[3:49:03] Voice 2: that there are actually, there are both positives and negatives to short-term rentals in terms of

[3:49:10] Voice 2: their impact on affordability. Those studies did indicate an overall net harm. We were not certain

[3:49:17] Voice 2: that that analysis at the provincial level

[3:49:20] Voice 2: necessarily applies to the trust area.

[3:49:23] Voice 2: And so based, we heard actually quite mixed feedback

[3:49:27] Voice 2: from communities about the impacts of short-term rentals.

[3:49:32] Voice 2: Of course, it does affect availability

[3:49:35] Voice 2: of rentals themselves.

[3:49:38] Voice 2: It does allow homeowners that would not otherwise

[3:49:42] Voice 2: be able to own a home to kind of enter the housing market.

[3:49:47] Voice 2: there are a number of different concerns and they're they're quite different to each local planning area it would seem like Salt Spring would have a particular approach that might not be necessary or appropriate on Saturn now let's say I'm not sure that's like the best example to make but we didn't feel like we could confidently make a trust area wide approach here.

[3:50:08] Voice 2: but if that if that assessment is um not supported we're welcome for the feedback um

[3:50:14] Voice 2: so perhaps others will have something to say on this okay

[3:50:20] Trustee Busheikin: thanks that was very interesting that

[3:50:21] Trustee Busheikin: actually um sheds a lot of light on on my thinking okay great thank

[3:50:27] Trustee Busheikin: you yeah okay are there anyone

[3:50:31] Trustee Busheikin: else i'm done for now honestly um okay well we've got about eight minutes to go in this session

[3:50:42] Trustee Busheikin: So maybe I'll just turn it back to you, Delaney, to make any concluding comments, or maybe you had another question for us or more to share.

[3:50:50] Voice 2: I'll just say thank you very much for the feedback.

[3:50:53] Voice 2: As I mentioned, this is just a very first draft, and we're collecting your feedback, and it will hopefully be reflected in the second draft.

[3:51:01] Voice 2: TPC did want to hear of your feedback, so we'll be giving them a verbal update on some of what you've shared today when we meet on Friday.

[3:51:11] Voice 2: and as we know more about the timing for first reading and that special trust council meeting

[3:51:18] Voice 2: will keep you informed and I don't know if this is appropriate for me to speak for Lisa but I know

[3:51:26] Voice 2: she's given out a general invitation that all trustees can approach her for questions about

[3:51:33] Voice 2: about reconciliation.

[3:51:34] Voice 2: Did you wanna say anything, Lisa, on that?

[3:51:39] Voice 6: Yeah, just if you have any questions

[3:51:42] Voice 6: in regards to the how reconciliation was incorporated

[3:51:46] Voice 6: into the document, how we engaged with nations

[3:51:51] Voice 6: or any questions or comments about the different sections

[3:51:55] Voice 6: that are in blue, you can reach out and talk to me directly

[3:52:00] Voice 6: just because it helps with that process of education.

[3:52:03] Voice 6: It might be some of the first time you've seen that or or questions similar to like the chair received when hearing the ADM Jessica would talk about how DRIPA was implemented and how that was incorporated into our thinking.

[3:52:25] Voice 6: staff had had considered that and had that aspect come forward with our engagement with

[3:52:32] Voice 6: nations as well so so if you have any concerns I'm always available here to support you in

[3:52:40] Voice 6: understanding the work of reconciliation that we're doing so thank

[3:52:48] Trustee Busheikin: you Lisa and thank you

[3:52:50] Trustee Busheikin: so much for your work on this it's uh it's uh i don't know what words use groundbreaking but

[3:52:58] Trustee Busheikin: there should be even a better word so thank you and i see william schulba put in the chat that

[3:53:05] Trustee Busheikin: i believe he's open for questions or comments about freshwater policies as well as the role

[3:53:10] Trustee Busheikin: of increasing density on rainwater um i

[3:53:15] Voice 2: wonder uh chair boo shaking because you did raise that

[3:53:18] Voice 2: that question. Would you like William to weigh in now? Sure. Yes. Yeah. William.

[3:53:27] Trustee Busheikin: If you would like

[3:53:28] Trustee Busheikin: to.

[3:53:31] Voice 25: Hi, Chair. Hello, Regional Planning Committee. Yeah, so we heard that there's a lot of

[3:53:41] Voice 25: discussions on different sources of water through the Freshwater Sustainability Strategy.

[3:53:46] Voice 25: And, um, I think that the, uh, the question of increasing density using rainwater as a primary supply is a complex question.

[3:54:01] Voice 25: um one at this time is not supported by staff um and and that's that's for many reasons of

[3:54:11] Voice 25: that rainwater should be um promoted and advocated for for secondary supply and and um augmenting a

[3:54:20] Voice 25: a primary supply. There is not an island with a common community backup water source

[3:54:35] Voice 25: that's either provided by a private company or supported by off-island deliveries of water.

[3:54:44] Voice 25: And I think until that issue is addressed, rainwater as a primary supply is a higher risk water resource than a proven groundwater source or a proven small water system on a surface water supply.

[3:55:10] Voice 25: fly it's not to say that there aren't many islanders that use rainwater um but over my time

[3:55:18] Voice 25: uh interacting with with islanders from many different islands and talking to people with

[3:55:24] Voice 25: really skookum uh rainwater uh harvesting systems that they they are highly managing those systems

[3:55:34] Voice 25: So there's a lot of trust that is in the operator. And if that operator is a private domestic dwelling, then there's a lack of a regulatory control over that water supply.

[3:55:52] Voice 25: supply? So it's a broader question. And if it makes it into the policy statement, then that

[3:56:02] Voice 25: is something that we'll have to discuss. But yeah, I mean, on the call today that he's left now is

[3:56:14] Voice 25: our new watershed ecosystems technologist, and his name's Alex. And he's only been around for

[3:56:20] Voice 25: a week and he's already afforded me so much information and groundbreaking research really

[3:56:28] Voice 25: on looking at groundwater recharge and a freshwater atlas. And we've been talking about

[3:56:35] Voice 25: doing a spatial analysis of rainwater harvesting potential to identify how much rainwater can be

[3:56:44] Voice 25: harvested at any given place across the island's trust area, which is an exciting piece of research

[3:56:48] Voice 25: that can come out. So it's not the fact that we are anti-rainwater harvesting, it's totally the

[3:56:54] Voice 25: opposite of that. It's just the question of should we be increasing density intensity using rainwater

[3:57:00] Voice 25: because any increased density intensity on the island will increase its reliance on other water

[3:57:06] Voice 25: supplies. So I just wanted to comment on that. I'm really open to hearing more conversation on this

[3:57:13] Voice 25: going forward thanks

[3:57:15] Trustee Busheikin: I could probably make that happen for you thank you okay well it's 159 so

[3:57:26] Trustee Busheikin: there's nothing else I want to thank you again Delaney and um and all the staff who have worked

[3:57:33] Trustee Busheikin: on this uh it's yeah I've been a trustee at almost 10 years and when I first was elected the trust

[3:57:42] Trustee Busheikin: was poised to go forward with the policy statement review that was yesterday the grad had come in

[3:57:48] Trustee Busheikin: and my very first trust council was mostly taken up with a very uh difficult and intense decision

[3:57:56] Trustee Busheikin: not to do that and i

[3:57:58] Trustee Busheikin: was one of the few who who voted in favor of doing it so i'm

[3:58:02] Trustee Busheikin: happy that we're doing it

[3:58:03] Voice 2: thank you yes i think claire shares your

[3:58:08] Voice 2: yes yes

[3:58:10] Trustee Stamford: the

[3:58:10] Trustee Busheikin: first time I met

[3:58:11] Trustee Stamford: Claire can I just add that because that was my first um

[3:58:16] Trustee Stamford: meeting as well um I'm kind of glad we waited because I'm not sure that um this type of in-depth

[3:58:27] Trustee Stamford: and and um really high quality work would have been we wouldn't have been as supportive as we

[3:58:35] Trustee Stamford: are now I think we've grown as a culture and as a council a lot in the last 10 years and I'm

[3:58:43] Trustee Stamford: just so glad we're doing this thank

[3:58:47] Trustee Busheikin: you and I see a few hands up I assume these are sort of and then

[3:58:51] Trustee Busheikin: like acknowledgements and thank yous so I'll go for that trustee Peterson and then trustee Leckham

[3:58:59] Voice 3: yeah

[3:58:59] Trustee Busheikin: thank you chair I just

[3:59:00] Voice 3: yeah I wanted to give a I just wanted to give a a big round of applause

[3:59:05] Voice 3: to staff who I know have been working really, really hard

[3:59:08] Voice 3: on this, Delaney and Claire and Lisa taking us

[3:59:15] Voice 3: into a whole new realm with this document.

[3:59:18] Voice 3: That's really important and just huge thanks

[3:59:21] Voice 3: for all the hard work.

[3:59:23] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:59:25] Trustee Busheikin: And Chair Lockeham.

[3:59:31] Voice 28: Thank you again, Chair.

[3:59:33] Voice 28: So certainly along the same line,

[3:59:38] Voice 28: I am very pleased with this outcome. Certainly there's room for improvements and that's what

[3:59:46] Voice 28: this process going to the committees and ultimately going to council is going to provide is that

[3:59:51] Voice 28: political enhancement that is necessary on a document that the staff have done an amazing

[3:59:58] Voice 28: and admirable job.

[4:00:00] Voice 28: taking our direction and and piecing it together in a in a really terrific document and you know

[4:00:06] Voice 28: honestly if um outside of the fact that we are going to make improvements if we made no improvements

[4:00:12] Voice 28: this document going forward as it is today has moved the dial so far into the right direction

[4:00:18] Voice 28: for the future of the islands trust and there's many items that are still yet to be discussed

[4:00:24] Voice 28: trust in depth that will come in later revisions, and I look forward to that if I'm blessed to be

[4:00:31] Voice 28: here. But I think I want to really thank Trustee Stanford there for capturing another very important

[4:00:38] Voice 28: element, is in the intervening years,

[4:00:41] Voice 28: the Islands Trust has changed dramatically, and we set out

[4:00:45] Voice 28: a number of years ago to change the culture at the Islands Trust, respecting First Nations

[4:00:51] Voice 28: and reconciliation. And we have grown as individuals, me personally, we've grown as

[4:00:56] Voice 28: an organization. And what's captured in this document that Lisa Wilcox, our senior

[4:01:02] Voice 28: intergovernmental liaison, I always find that impossible, has relayed to us about the surprise

[4:01:08] Voice 28: by First Nations that we're actually, you know, I would say we're still saying things and I was

[4:01:16] Voice 28: was going to say blocking the talk, but we are putting in writing those elements of what has

[4:01:21] Voice 28: been so important and so missing in the Island's Trust work for too long. And so, indeed, I too

[4:01:30] Voice 28: reflect now that those years ago, back on Keats Island, if I'm not mistaken, on Keats Island,

[4:01:39] Voice 28: when that lengthy conversation was had and was unsuccessful. Today, we're in a much better place

[4:01:47] Voice 28: to launch that work into the future for more work that might be done. So thank you everybody

[4:01:51] Voice 28: and let's let's hope the council agrees with me. Thank you.

[4:02:01] Trustee Busheikin: Okay well I want to thank everyone. We've just done that. We have a little break, just a little

[4:02:07] Trustee Busheikin: 10 minute break. We're pretty close to being on schedule so but let's take those 10 minutes and

[4:02:12] Trustee Busheikin: and be back here at 2.14.

[4:02:15] Trustee Busheikin: And we've got another big session ahead of us

[4:02:18] Trustee Busheikin: for those of us who will still be here,

[4:02:21] Trustee Busheikin: perhaps a fairly conclusive session

[4:02:24] Trustee Busheikin: on our application processing services policy review.

[4:02:29] Trustee Busheikin: So see you all in 10 minutes.

[4:02:32] Voice 28: Sure, and is your expectation

[4:02:34] Voice 28: that we will end at three today?

[4:02:35] Voice 28: I'm just trying to juggle some other-

[4:02:37] Trustee Busheikin: That is the expectation,

[4:02:39] Trustee Busheikin: and we are very well within like four or six minutes,

[4:02:42] Trustee Busheikin: four minutes of being on time so let's um let's keep that that going rocking

[4:02:48] Voice 11: yep thank you okay

[4:02:51] Voice 11: hi

[4:14:52] Trustee Busheikin: everyone hey

[4:14:59] Voice 28: chair hi

[4:15:01] Trustee Busheikin: okay so i'm gonna reconvene the meeting and um welcome everyone

[4:15:09] Trustee Busheikin: back and i'm gonna just jump right into this uh application processes services processing

[4:15:17] Trustee Busheikin: services policy. I'm going to hand it over to staff to get us into this.

[4:15:25] Voice 1: Thank you. And is

[4:15:28] Voice 1: Narissa online? Yes.

[4:15:31] Voice 1: Hi. Okay. Maybe I'll just open it and maybe I'll ask Narissa if she's got

[4:15:35] Voice 1: any comments. So this was seen by the regional planning committee last meeting. And there were

[4:15:44] Voice 1: were several changes that were asked to be made to the policy and the fee bylaws. So those changes

[4:15:51] Voice 1: have been made. Now, one thing that was raised was some questions around the development approval

[4:15:58] Voice 1: information model bylaw. And I think we need more time to work through that one. I've had

[4:16:07] Voice 1: We've had discussions with staff in the northern office and they had some suggestions for changes based on more recent experiences, and there was some comments raised by trustees.

[4:16:20] Voice 1: So, rather than delay everything for that what I've suggested we do here is remove the DAI bylaw from the consideration, and we can do that as an add on at a later time.

[4:16:35] Voice 1: and instead the policy still addresses the AI bylaw but it says that a model should be created and

[4:16:43] Voice 1: we'll amend the policy to include that. So the focus here is on the policy around the actual

[4:16:49] Voice 1: fees themselves and I'll ask Narissa maybe just to comment on the changes that were made

[4:16:58] Voice 1: since the last meeting and then pass it back to the chair for any discussion. The request for

[4:17:04] Voice 1: decision here from Nerissa has two recommendations on it now one is to adopt or the policy and the

[4:17:13] Voice 1: second is to approve the request for decision to trust council so that means that the intent would

[4:17:20] Voice 1: be to send it to trust council in June you may wish to do something different and that is totally

[4:17:26] Voice 1: up to you all right I'll pass it over to Nerissa through the chair and then back to the chair

[4:17:31] Voice 1: Yeah.

[4:17:34] Voice 17: Hello there. So with respect to the changes that were made to the Model Feeble

[4:17:39] Voice 17: ILAW, they're all indicated in track changes on the document that was in the package. And

[4:17:46] Voice 17: those were all the ones that were raised at the last LTC meeting. I would suggest,

[4:17:55] Voice 17: And we did actually receive a couple more sort of editorial suggestions, and I would suggest that if you do have any others to send them directly to us if they're specific sort of focused editing.

[4:18:14] Voice 17: But if there's anything substantive, obviously we're very interested in hearing what other changes might need to be made. Thank you.

[4:18:25] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you. So, I'm going to open the floor for questions and comments.

[4:18:31] Trustee Busheikin: Peter Luckum, is that your hand up for this topic or is that a residual hand?

[4:18:38] Trustee Busheikin: Well, it's still there, so I'm going to think it's up for this topic.

[4:18:41] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[4:18:41] Trustee Busheikin: So, I'm going to recommend a residual one. Okay, let's

[4:18:46] Voice 28: go with-

[4:18:46] Trustee Busheikin: It was residual

[4:18:46] Trustee Busheikin: and I was going to wait for

[4:18:48] Voice 28: others to speak before I did.

[4:18:50] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. So, let's go with Trustee Peterson. Go ahead.

[4:18:54] Trustee Busheikin: Thank

[4:18:57] Voice 3: you. So I had a question on page 129 in table 3, and I know we discussed looking at per lot or tiered approach to the subdivision fees.

[4:19:14] Voice 3: And I see that that's been added in here, but I just wasn't clear on what that revision indicates at this moment.

[4:19:31] Trustee Busheikin: so i invite staff to answer that question yes

[4:19:35] Voice 3: please um

[4:19:39] Voice 17: yeah it's sort of an uh it was kind

[4:19:42] Voice 17: of an unresolved um um question um and i think where we had arrived was it it could be up to

[4:19:52] Voice 17: each um local trust committee david do you want to add to that oh

[4:20:07] Trustee Busheikin: we can't hear you david

[4:20:12] Voice 1: sorry sorry sorry yeah i think it it was unresolved and i was just noticing that

[4:20:19] Voice 1: in there that we don't actually have a pull-up fee it was um you know the original staff

[4:20:26] Voice 1: recommendation was to just have a flat fee for subdivisions uh but i understand there was

[4:20:31] Voice 1: discussion that you'd like to keep a pull-up fee so i think it'd be good if this committee could

[4:20:38] Voice 1: make that decision for what you would like to see in the model and you could always put a disclaimer

[4:20:43] Voice 1: or something if you feel that you would like it to be flexible. We've used a hundred dollars per lot

[4:20:50] Voice 1: in the past so that could stay in there and you could by resolution ask us to put that back into

[4:20:56] Voice 1: the into the model fee by law.

[4:21:00] Trustee Busheikin: Can I just ask a question of clarification? Is that a thousand

[4:21:04] Trustee Busheikin: dollar base plus 100 per lot? Correct.

[4:21:08] Trustee Busheikin: Okay thanks. Okay um trustee Longerice and then Patrick.

[4:21:18] Voice 23: Yeah thank you I just had a couple a couple comments on here one was actually a point of

[4:21:26] Voice 23: clarification uh in the policy document 3.2.2 it uh talks about the advisory planning commission

[4:21:39] Voice 23: meetings and they're they're so the way it's worded now is all apc meeting costs will be done

[4:21:45] Voice 23: through a cost recovery agreement is that the intent because there's nothing in the bylaw

[4:21:50] Voice 23: that references the the advisory planning commission meeting as being part of the

[4:21:57] Voice 23: application processing fee like one meeting they identify one public hearing and one community

[4:22:03] Voice 23: information meeting so by implication then is every every referral to apc would require

[4:22:09] Voice 23: a cost recovery agreement so

[4:22:12] Voice 1: i'm on page 116 of the agenda i'm looking at and if you got the

[4:22:17] Voice 1: the older agenda, it may be different now.

[4:22:19] Voice 23: Oh, I think I got the old one.

[4:22:21] Voice 23: It's the policy document

[4:22:24] Voice 23: section 3.22.

[4:22:26] Voice 1: Okay, it's on the screen there.

[4:22:28] Voice 1: So the way that's worded, it says that,

[4:22:33] Voice 1: let me see staff time to attend

[4:22:35] Voice 1: more public consultation meetings

[4:22:37] Voice 1: than already covered by the standard application.

[4:22:41] Voice 1: So including community information meetings,

[4:22:44] Voice 1: advisory planning commission meetings and public hearings.

[4:22:47] Voice 1: But if you go back to the standard application fee, which

[4:22:53] Voice 1: is up above, way up above, I have

[4:22:57] Voice 1: to find it.

[4:23:01] Voice 1: If somebody finds it for me, there we go.

[4:23:06] Voice 1: So 1.2 is application processing services included.

[4:23:12] Voice 1: And that list there says staff referrals to other agencies, advisory planning commissions

[4:23:17] Voice 1: and analysis of their comments.

[4:23:20] Voice 1: So, the way I read it is that if

[4:23:24] Voice 23: it gets sent to the

[4:23:24] Voice 1: Advisory Planning Committee once.

[4:23:26] Voice 23: Sir, I missed this.

[4:23:27] Voice 1: Yeah.

[4:23:28] Voice 1: My error.

[4:23:30] Voice 1: Yeah, so the extraordinary is for when there's maybe more than one meeting of the Advisory Planning Commission or a second public hearing or a second community information meeting.

[4:23:40] Voice 1: Okay.

[4:23:41] Voice 23: No, that's on me.

[4:23:42] Voice 23: I missed that.

[4:23:44] Voice 23: Okay.

[4:23:44] Voice 23: Okay. The other one is the definition of application processing fee in the bylaw itself.

[4:23:54] Voice 23: And where I wondered about is it says it means the total amount payable to the Islands Trust in respect of any application under this bylaw.

[4:24:04] Voice 23: But the term total seems to imply also the extraordinary service costs.

[4:24:11] Voice 23: costs and this and we don't define extraordinary service costs and we don't uh clearly indicate

[4:24:18] Voice 23: that it's in addition to we'd say also but the the term total to me means we look at okay what

[4:24:26] Voice 23: are the charges that you're uh susceptible to having to pay and it could potentially uh include

[4:24:32] Voice 23: the, the, they call it the extraordinary service costs. But

[4:24:40] Voice 23: application processing is separate from extraordinary

[4:24:45] Voice 23: service costs. So I just wondered whether it should be

[4:24:47] Voice 23: added at the end of that, but does not include X

[4:24:50] Voice 23: extraordinary service costs.

[4:24:53] Voice 23: Or

[4:24:54] Voice 17: I'm also just a suggestion. What if we were to change total

[4:24:58] Voice 17: to initial? Would that address that?

[4:25:00] Voice 17: uh

[4:25:01] Voice 23: i think so yeah because it's just the initial fee right that is the processing fee and then the

[4:25:10] Voice 23: anything additional is the extraordinary costs like uh site visits etc by first nations yeah

[4:25:17] Voice 23: that that would that would that would probably be clear then yeah

[4:25:23] Voice 1: okay yeah

[4:25:24] Voice 23: and the only other one

[4:25:26] Voice 23: was around in the bylaws, section 5.4 and 5.5.

[4:25:35] Voice 23: Section 5.4 was changed to say,

[4:25:41] Voice 23: in the 75% of the refund,

[4:25:44] Voice 23: once the file has been assigned

[4:25:46] Voice 23: by the regional planning manager.

[4:25:49] Voice 23: 5.5, which is the subsequent for TUPs,

[4:25:53] Voice 23: now it retains the designated to the planner.

[4:25:55] Voice 23: and i don't know if that's is that intentional or is that or should they be consistent sure we can

[4:26:03] Voice 17: change that designated yeah

[4:26:04] Voice 23: i

[4:26:05] Voice 1: think that was just missed it makes sense to keep it consistent thank

[4:26:08] Voice 23: you yeah okay yeah so uh um yeah that's those are my comments on that great

[4:26:17] Voice 1: thank you yeah

[4:26:19] Voice 23: trustee

[4:26:20] Trustee Busheikin: patrick

[4:26:20] Voice 23: yeah

[4:26:21] Trustee Patrick: i just wanted to go back to the conversation there on the subdivision referral

[4:26:24] Trustee Patrick: for all costs i think i mean this is this is the big crux of a lot of concern and and and and i

[4:26:33] Trustee Patrick: think it could be looked at i understand that there's a cost to go to the modi the approval

[4:26:40] Trustee Patrick: officer or their application i i believe and um and so i think we could look at you know what is

[4:26:48] Trustee Patrick: the the total cost um but and then we could look at you know there's a lot of information out there

[4:26:55] Trustee Patrick: for the municipalities that do have their own approving officers thing that we shouldn't be

[4:26:59] Trustee Patrick: cheaper a subdivision in our in the islands trust area the cost the total fees should not be less

[4:27:08] Trustee Patrick: than you know a municipality that's in inspiring subdivision so i think we need to do a little work

[4:27:17] Trustee Patrick: there and make sure that we're i know we can't be punitive but we shouldn't be a bargain

[4:27:22] Trustee Busheikin: thank you

[4:27:26] Trustee Busheikin: um do you like i'm wondering about uh then like a motion to request staff to and i'm not uh well

[4:27:37] Trustee Busheikin: maybe uh nurse sir david could tell us do you should we be suggesting a specific amount right

[4:27:47] Trustee Busheikin: now or is it enough to ask that that be included in in I guess for their version or what would you

[4:27:55] Trustee Busheikin: like because I saw nods quite a few nods um about this so I think that there's will in the committee

[4:28:00] Trustee Busheikin: to see something there yeah

[4:28:03] Voice 1: maybe I could um comment through the chair I think the analysis

[4:28:07] Voice 1: and uh Nerissa can speak to this shows that our current fees for subdivision generally are

[4:28:13] Voice 1: are collecting the average or more the fee per lot is currently at a hundred dollars so

[4:28:19] Voice 1: you know the application fee of a thousand plus every additional lot there's a hundred dollars so

[4:28:25] Voice 1: you know you you're collecting a couple thousand dollars on some subdivisions and we had one on

[4:28:33] Voice 1: Gambia where it was I think it's close to a twelve thousand dollar fee but the cost of the

[4:28:40] Voice 1: Islands Trust was nowhere near that so the you know the charge per lot it makes sense to a certain

[4:28:47] Voice 1: degree for example if you have a subdivision with at least one lot below two hectares and there's

[4:28:55] Voice 1: more than I think it's three additional lots being created then there's a whole park dedication issue

[4:29:03] Voice 1: which requires time to work with the regional district and the trust committee has to make a

[4:29:09] Voice 1: decision. Some subdivisions don't meet the death weight ratio or the frontage requirements. So

[4:29:17] Voice 1: there's waiver requirements of the local trust committee. Those are the complicating factors.

[4:29:23] Voice 1: And then of course, First Nations reconciliation, we're getting more involved in that as well

[4:29:33] Voice 1: through advice to the approving officer. So simply adding $100 back, that just creates

[4:29:39] Voice 1: the status quo but you know if you wanted to go back and analyze subdivisions more around

[4:29:47] Voice 1: where the costs are and what maybe what a different approach we could do that whether

[4:29:53] Voice 1: you want us to do that as part of this and hold off adopting the model fee by law or going with

[4:30:00] Voice 1: the status quo and then looking at subdivision fees next year or next term or something like that

[4:30:06] Voice 1: that's that's up to you thanks

[4:30:10] Trustee Busheikin: and just to ask a question for clarification when you say go with

[4:30:13] Trustee Busheikin: the status quo would that mean adding to this the hundred dollar per per um lot because that's not

[4:30:24] Trustee Busheikin: in this current version right correct

[4:30:26] Voice 1: yes okay yeah okay

[4:30:28] Trustee Busheikin: i just wanted to get clear on that and

[4:30:30] Trustee Busheikin: um planner chadwick you had a something to let us to tell us about too related to this um yeah i

[4:30:37] Voice 17: just wanted to just bring up the um the fact um just based on the the lawyer's um response when

[4:30:45] Voice 17: we or we're just talking about um um increasing fees for after the fact applications i think it

[4:30:53] Voice 17: would probably apply here as well is that what we need to be looking at is the actual cost

[4:30:58] Voice 17: um and as trustee Patrick said um it can't be looked upon as being punitive so that's

[4:31:05] Voice 17: that's something you know that we'll consider in our analysis is it it may be that it works

[4:31:10] Voice 17: up to a certain amount of lots but maybe not beyond so yeah

[4:31:17] Voice 1: yeah might want a cap

[4:31:19] Voice 1: and right now I don't know what that would be no

[4:31:23] Trustee Busheikin: okay I mean I'm just as chair thinking of process

[4:31:29] Trustee Busheikin: I'm I'm hoping that that we can be sensitive to what we want to do here uh and make that happen

[4:31:37] Trustee Busheikin: without needing for this to go away and come back to RPC and not get to council in September that's

[4:31:44] Trustee Busheikin: what i'm hoping um yeah yeah

[4:31:48] Voice 1: if i may through the chair uh if you want to take this to september

[4:31:52] Voice 1: council which gives you time then for a discussion at council you know ideally council would adopt

[4:31:58] Voice 1: something by maybe december so that the trust committees can then start looking at bylaw

[4:32:04] Voice 1: amendments for the fee bylaws in early 2022 to be effective april 1st of you know the next fiscal

[4:32:13] Voice 1: year so that all works so if you wanted a resolution to ask staff to come back with

[4:32:19] Voice 1: recommendations for a subdivision fee that is sensitive to

[4:32:26] Voice 1: number of lots and complexity of park dedication something like that we can do that at the next

[4:32:34] Voice 1: meeting um bring uh bring it back to you as a suggested edit to the fee by law i i don't see

[4:32:42] Voice 1: it being a lot of work but it's going to take us more than just brainstorming it at this meeting

[4:32:48] Voice 1: and Marisa you can correct me if I'm wrong on that I

[4:32:53] Voice 17: have nothing to correct on that

[4:32:56] Trustee Busheikin: good okay so I'm just going to let that dangle there for anyone who would like to follow up on it

[4:33:01] Trustee Busheikin: or not and I'll go to the next person on the speakers list which is Peter Lacombe and then

[4:33:08] Trustee Busheikin: myself.

[4:33:10] Voice 28: Thank you very much, Chair.

[4:33:16] Trustee Busheikin: You just went silent. You went quiet. We can't hear you.

[4:33:21] Voice 28: There we go. Okay. I apologize if I sound like a broken record sometimes. This is one of those

[4:33:31] Voice 28: occasions. But I also want to say two other things before I say what I'm thinking is that I totally

[4:33:39] Voice 28: respect the work that this committee has done. We've managed to move the dial a little bit,

[4:33:45] Voice 28: not as much as we've moved the dial on the policy statement, but the dial has moved on this as well.

[4:33:50] Voice 28: And I think we should advance this and find out what it means. And then, of course, you know,

[4:33:58] Voice 28: with the conversation about further refinements and changes to this piece, the next item on our

[4:34:04] Voice 28: agenda is a request to send this to council. And I really think that we actually need to get the

[4:34:09] Voice 28: to council we need to get it implemented if there's additional changes that happen in the

[4:34:13] Voice 28: future to bolster it a bit more then let's do that at some point and i know that nobody wants

[4:34:19] Voice 28: to take on that labor but um i think we need to move on this and the reason the thing that's made

[4:34:26] Voice 28: me think about this much more seriously and i think i mentioned it earlier i did a radio i did

[4:34:31] Voice 28: a newspaper interview yesterday with respect to the fact that the application fees were going to

[4:34:35] Voice 28: to take a lot longer to process than historically because of an increase in applications.

[4:34:44] Voice 28: And, you know, one of my lame excuses about why it's going to take so long is because

[4:34:50] Voice 28: local government is not able or not nimble associated with its budgeting process to hire

[4:34:54] Voice 28: additional planners just because there's more work and then let them go when there's not

[4:34:58] Voice 28: enough work.

[4:34:59] Voice 28: We have a strategic plan process, and we hire capacity according to historical demand.

[4:35:05] Voice 28: And despite the fact that coming into the pandemic, we did a bit of an analysis and found, phew, applications are going up.

[4:35:11] Voice 28: To our surprise, they were just slow coming in, and now they're up between 105% and 50% throughout the area.

[4:35:19] Voice 28: you. I'm going to say that the increases that we're likely to see by 100% adoption of this

[4:35:26] Voice 28: amongst LTCs probably wouldn't pay for another planner to address the workload that we have

[4:35:32] Voice 28: today. If council decides in March that this workload is continuing, we need to hire another

[4:35:38] Voice 28: planner. And so I think there's still a gap here with the Islands Trust and citizens of the

[4:35:45] Voice 28: the island stress carrying, the costs associated with land improvements, I'm starting to call this

[4:35:51] Voice 28: now, rather than calling it developing, because I understand completely people are not, not

[4:35:56] Voice 28: everybody's developing, but there are definitely land improvements that are fees that are not

[4:36:00] Voice 28: necessarily covering the costs. So let's move the dial on this, and let's remember that this is

[4:36:06] Voice 28: ahead of us here, and we'll see where it goes. So thanks, everybody, for the work.

[4:36:14] Trustee Busheikin: thank you uh so next was me and then i believe uh tim and case so uh just a couple things i'm

[4:36:24] Trustee Busheikin: feeling also like this is about ready to go to council i would certainly entertain a motion to

[4:36:30] Trustee Busheikin: add that uh small piece uh about the subdivision fees um before that happens but i understand that

[4:36:40] Trustee Busheikin: that we'll get it to council in September if we do that.

[4:36:45] Trustee Busheikin: So I just have two comments.

[4:36:47] Trustee Busheikin: One does have to do with numbers.

[4:36:52] Trustee Busheikin: And let me just see.

[4:36:53] Trustee Busheikin: And I apologize, but I have the,

[4:36:58] Trustee Busheikin: I did not find time to download the new package

[4:37:04] Trustee Busheikin: and compare it to the old one

[4:37:05] Trustee Busheikin: because I'd already read the old one

[4:37:06] Trustee Busheikin: and I've annotated it.

[4:37:08] Trustee Busheikin: and so i may be way off base but i'm on page 122 where there's a table of fees and i noticed the

[4:37:15] Trustee Busheikin: citing and use permit is still at 2500 is that been corrected that's what's in the new version

[4:37:22] Voice 1: that should be 250 i believe yeah yeah

[4:37:26] Trustee Busheikin: we saw that last time it gave you it made my blood pressure go

[4:37:30] Trustee Busheikin: up but this time i'm like oh yeah that needs to be corrected so and it may be corrected in the

[4:37:35] Trustee Busheikin: the proper version of the report.

[4:37:38] Trustee Busheikin: And then looking above that at the temporary use permits,

[4:37:42] Trustee Busheikin: the ones that provide the community benefit,

[4:37:45] Trustee Busheikin: I have a couple of comments on that.

[4:37:47] Trustee Busheikin: I still find that, well,

[4:37:50] Trustee Busheikin: based on things I've been following lately in the news,

[4:37:54] Trustee Busheikin: that number 12 to $1,000 strikes me as very high.

[4:37:59] Trustee Busheikin: And what I'm following,

[4:38:00] Trustee Busheikin: maybe some of you are following as you clueless,

[4:38:02] Trustee Busheikin: It just did something that has been touted as innovative, although it does exist already on Denman in a different form,

[4:38:10] Trustee Busheikin: which is use of temporary use permits for seasonal workers, RVs or tiny homes to help ease their housing crunch in the summer.

[4:38:23] Trustee Busheikin: And they they did a whole like a one stop from what I read, a one stop process.

[4:38:28] Trustee Busheikin: process. There's only one permit. And I believe it's something like $350 altogether. And I think

[4:38:40] Trustee Busheikin: that they're responding to a real situation. It may not be a great situation, but sometimes an

[4:38:45] Trustee Busheikin: RV or a trailer, or if you're lucky, a tiny home is all there is to live in. And especially with

[4:38:50] Trustee Busheikin: seasonal workers, I know that not so much on Denman, but Hornby Island has huge problems.

[4:38:55] Trustee Busheikin: The people just living in tents, but illegally in tents. So not only are you living in a tent all summer, but you know it's illegal and there's no oversight because no one will dare apply for a permit. So I just, yeah, I guess I'm floating this. I'm not quite ready to put a resolution up, but I'd like to see that lower or have more of a range where LTCs that think that would be useful would be able to keep that significantly lower. And go ahead, Nerissa, I see your hand up.

[4:39:23] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah,

[4:39:24] Voice 17: I just wanted to just identify that there still is the ability for fee sponsorship.

[4:39:33] Voice 17: So this, that may be a case, you know, there would still be that opportunity to either cover fees entirely or to, for them to be sponsored by a certain amount by executive.

[4:39:49] Trustee Busheikin: second yeah i think

[4:39:51] Trustee Busheikin: but i think for a temporary use permit usually they're they're temporary so

[4:39:54] Trustee Busheikin: you might want it for a couple months and to go through the whole process of fee sponsorship

[4:39:58] Trustee Busheikin: for that might not fit with the kind of immediacy of the need but also the fee sponsorship is only

[4:40:04] Trustee Busheikin: for um organizations non-profit organizations and this i think is like the one in

[4:40:09] Trustee Busheikin: ukulele i think a

[4:40:10] Trustee Busheikin: lot is for businesses or just uh property owners who like can house a few summer workers um so

[4:40:18] Trustee Busheikin: So it isn't really a fit.

[4:40:22] Voice 1: And if I may, through the chair,

[4:40:24] Voice 1: you clearly would be taking a loss on that processing.

[4:40:28] Voice 1: My understanding of what they're doing

[4:40:30] Voice 1: is they're taking in applications by a certain date

[4:40:34] Voice 1: and then they're

[4:40:35] Voice 1: processing them all at the same time.

[4:40:37] Voice 1: There's a

[4:40:38] Voice 1: requirement to advertise.

[4:40:39] Voice 1: So obviously they're going to do it in one advertisement

[4:40:42] Voice 1: and then one sitting of committee

[4:40:44] Voice 1: to say yes or no to each of them.

[4:40:46] Voice 1: so you know a program like that might be possible I'm not sure how we'd administrate at the trust

[4:40:53] Voice 1: but that would be something to be possible in this instance number 12 the intent there is that

[4:40:58] Voice 1: that covers the cost of the advertisement and staff time and advertisements can be 500 or more

[4:41:04] Voice 1: dollars depending on where they're advertising driftwood on salt spring for example is the most

[4:41:10] Voice 1: expensive yeah

[4:41:14] Trustee Busheikin: well and I know because I've been following that Euclid example I and I know this

[4:41:22] Trustee Busheikin: is being discussed just among like constituents certainly on Hornby because I follow their

[4:41:26] Trustee Busheikin: Facebook discussions and um like there are communities that have that huge stress about

[4:41:33] Trustee Busheikin: summer workers and I guess I wouldn't the fact that we're doing this this work it's been 10-15

[4:41:38] Trustee Busheikin: 15 years waiting, I'd love to have a way to, you know, include that option for those communities

[4:41:44] Trustee Busheikin: who would be able to or want to do that and or need to do that. And maybe it's more like a policy

[4:41:53] Trustee Busheikin: around that this could be an option, you know, with a, like maybe it can be, maybe an LTC can

[4:42:02] Trustee Busheikin: can vote to you know temporarily waive the fees bylaw or have a you know exception for a situation

[4:42:09] Trustee Busheikin: like this i don't know

[4:42:11] Voice 1: and yeah we made through the chair there is no provision to waive fee bylaws

[4:42:16] Voice 1: and one of the um requirements i guess is that trust committees are not supposed to favor

[4:42:25] Voice 1: individuals by saying you can you have to pay you don't have to pay so the bylaw needs to be black

[4:42:31] Voice 1: and white, where you pay, where you don't pay. So to do something like Euclid, I think you would need

[4:42:38] Voice 1: to have some work done to determine what the program would look like and what it would cost

[4:42:44] Voice 1: and then what sort of an amendment you would require to your fee by-law to allow you to

[4:42:47] Voice 1: charge that particular fee.

[4:42:52] Trustee Busheikin: Fair enough. I think it should be a type of housing and not an

[4:42:56] Trustee Busheikin: individual absolutely um i still would like to see this this number generally lower this is like a

[4:43:03] Trustee Busheikin: huge jump for certainly denman island and i believe not sure about hornby island who have

[4:43:09] Trustee Busheikin: the temporary use permits for this kind of housing but um if no one else i'm not seeing a lot of

[4:43:14] Trustee Busheikin: nods so i'm not going to bother putting a a resolution out there um

[4:43:18] Voice 1: and maybe just one more

[4:43:19] Voice 1: through the chair if you may there i believe in the policy there is the provision that you may

[4:43:24] Voice 1: the trust committee could come back with a fee that is 20% less and so that could go down to

[4:43:31] Voice 1: 800 under that policy

[4:43:33] Trustee Busheikin: still quite a lot more than what it is right now and the other the other

[4:43:39] Trustee Busheikin: comment I have also has to do with these temporary use permits for community benefit which is the

[4:43:48] Trustee Busheikin: on page 120 uh it's in red here about the community benefit definition that it should be

[4:43:56] Trustee Busheikin: from an ocp and i'm just i brought this up before like i think i don't know if any ocps have that

[4:44:02] Trustee Busheikin: definition and i think that it'll just make a everything much more complex and slow to be asking

[4:44:09] Trustee Busheikin: ocps to create a definition of community benefit uh in order to make these fee this fee bylaw work

[4:44:17] Trustee Busheikin: work for them um could be a huge controversy and what is community benefit and i guess i

[4:44:22] Trustee Busheikin: i would like to see maybe something general like is simply meeting overall goals and objectives

[4:44:29] Trustee Busheikin: of the ocp should them in our ocp is goals and objectives for the community and some have a

[4:44:34] Trustee Busheikin: community vision or have a standard there must be somewhere some agency must have a standard

[4:44:39] Trustee Busheikin: definition of a community benefit is there a way we can yeah

[4:44:45] Voice 1: so this is this is a tough one because

[4:44:48] Voice 1: Because, you know, yeah, I mean, the local trust committee in its fee bylaw is going to have to define what it means by community benefit.

[4:44:58] Voice 1: So the policy is recommending that it be based on something in their official community plan.

[4:45:06] Voice 1: Sorry, the bylaw here indicates to be the definition indicates that something that's identified in the official community plan.

[4:45:14] Voice 1: so how that works out i'm not 100 sure this is a i just think it's a tough one to administer

[4:45:23] Voice 1: i think the main thing here is it's 95 square meters for residential commercial use and maybe

[4:45:29] Voice 1: that is what you just take out that provides community benefit because that is so subjective

[4:45:35] Voice 1: that i don't think it's going to pass as a bylaw requirement because nobody would know

[4:45:40] Voice 1: and it can't be interpreted so it has to be specified somewhere okay

[4:45:46] Trustee Busheikin: um well maybe when

[4:45:49] Trustee Busheikin: this rolls out that could be included in the introductory staff report just that idea so that

[4:45:53] Trustee Busheikin: at least lccs have oh we could just it could simply be the score under certain square footage

[4:45:59] Trustee Busheikin: okay those are all my comments thank you and uh so next i'm going to go to trustee dodds

[4:46:05] Trustee Busheikin: ben peterson then long grass i don't know if that was the order they came no i was last

[4:46:10] Voice 14: oh okay um

[4:46:12] Trustee Busheikin: then let's go i don't remember i'm going to do the other direction longer

[4:46:16] Trustee Busheikin: rice peterson and then thoughts that's okay

[4:46:19] Voice 23: okay yeah thank you i i jumped ahead of tim

[4:46:22] Voice 23: in this case but be brave to say uh yeah i will okay one i agree with uh chair luckham we need

[4:46:31] Voice 23: to move faster than and not delay it as much as possible the other thing that comment i have about

[4:46:37] Voice 23: about this is we have in these rate structures

[4:46:40] Voice 23: for development permit, these reduced amounts.

[4:46:43] Voice 23: Now this is a draft, a model by-law,

[4:46:46] Voice 23: which presumably is based on the calculation

[4:46:50] Voice 23: of costs or whatever, our average costs.

[4:46:53] Voice 23: And as long as our, I'm hoping that as long as our minutes

[4:46:57] Voice 23: for our meetings indicate that these costs

[4:47:00] Voice 23: in this by-law reflect a reduction of actual average costs.

[4:47:05] Voice 23: So that down the road, if an LTC wants to increase their cost, they don't get faced as well. The model bylaw says $1,000 for this development permit area is the average cost, which is the premise of the bylaw. So we just have a little bit of concern about that if we're feathering ourselves. Maybe not. I mean, we've had a previous bylaw as well, I guess, for the previous one.

[4:47:32] Voice 23: anyway just a caution about that because it is supposed to be the average cost and I guess we

[4:47:39] Voice 23: could argue locally that the cost may vary somewhat but if we want to increase costs we're

[4:47:45] Voice 23: going to have to justify it as well down the road just an observation okay

[4:47:52] Trustee Busheikin: thank you uh okay

[4:47:54] Trustee Busheikin: trustee peterson and then dots uh

[4:48:02] Voice 3: okay thank you so just quickly on the um community benefit uh

[4:48:09] Voice 3: because it's been on my radar uh LISCU is working on our OCP we don't have a definition of community

[4:48:15] Voice 3: benefit and so I'm requesting that we look at that while we have the OCP open um okay I have a um

[4:48:25] Voice 3: I have uh two motions one to uh put the hundred dollar per lot fee back in and then a follow-up

[4:48:33] Voice 3: asking staff to bring back some analysis and so if you're ready to entertain them I'll set them

[4:48:38] Voice 3: them to Robert, if you're ready to entertain the motion.

[4:48:43] Voice 3: The first thing that our piece,

[4:48:47] Voice 3: that regional planning committee requests staff

[4:48:50] Voice 3: to add a $100 per lot fee to the fee schedule

[4:48:53] Voice 3: under the application for subdivision review

[4:48:55] Voice 3: under item one of table three of the model bylaw.

[4:49:15] Voice 11: So that

[4:49:23] Voice 23: I'll

[4:49:25] Voice 3: see that up there.

[4:49:26] Voice 23: I'll second that.

[4:49:32] Voice 3: Did we lose the chair?

[4:49:37] Voice 21: I think so.

[4:49:40] Voice 3: is is is david maude still on the call he's the vice chair i

[4:49:45] Trustee Maude: certainly am um i don't know what

[4:49:47] Trustee Maude: we've done with her do we just want to pause and hopefully come back or you want to carry forward

[4:49:55] Voice 3: um i i think that's up to you as vice chair we can give her a minute but let's you know i i'm

[4:50:02] Voice 3: just aware that it's already 10 to 3 so

[4:50:04] Trustee Maude: exactly so i i guess what we have the moment we're moved

[4:50:08] Trustee Maude: and seconded on this so yeah do we want to entertain any discussion and i i see trustee

[4:50:17] Trustee Maude: dodge has her hand up i don't know if it's for this or the previous i think that was still up

[4:50:24] Voice 14: that's my previous the previous

[4:50:26] Voice 14: one i have no no questions on this one

[4:50:29] Trustee Maude: okay so if any discussion

[4:50:31] Trustee Maude: at all on the motion if not we'll call the question and all in favor put your hands up

[4:50:42] Trustee Maude: um um i

[4:50:49] Voice 3: would just have a i'm i'm sure we're probably still in quorum here i just had a

[4:50:53] Voice 3: moment of wondering okay

[4:50:56] Trustee Maude: well we've got six hands up what's the quorum

[4:51:00] Trustee Maude: okay we're

[4:51:01] Voice 1: good we're good okay

[4:51:02] Trustee Maude: we're good okay so six in favor so hands down

[4:51:05] Trustee Maude: still one okay and anybody opposed if not we'll consider that carried okay

[4:51:24] Voice 3: and if i may i would

[4:51:26] Voice 3: would read the second motion out?

[4:51:27] Voice 3: Certainly.

[4:51:31] Voice 3: That the Regional Planning Committee request staff

[4:51:34] Voice 3: to bring back further analysis on fee per lot structure,

[4:51:38] Voice 3: including consideration of a cap and park dedication.

[4:51:42] Voice 3: Okay, do we have a seconder?

[4:51:43] Voice 3: Hopefully that is up on the screen.

[4:51:48] Voice 3: There it is.

[4:51:48] Voice 15: Sorry, this is Laura and I'm now here on the phone.

[4:51:52] Voice 15: My internet connection just gave up on me.

[4:51:54] Voice 15: And maybe I'll just not take over chairing

[4:51:58] Voice 15: because it's pretty hard on the phone no problem okay thank you all

[4:52:04] Trustee Maude: right so do we have a seconder

[4:52:06] Trustee Maude: for that motion i second

[4:52:07] Trustee Maude: it okay and do we have any discussion my goodness you guys are making

[4:52:18] Trustee Maude: my job so easy all right so we'll call the question then all in favor excuse

[4:52:27] Voice 15: me this is

[4:52:28] Voice 15: laura is this the motion about adding a hundred dollar per lot no

[4:52:32] Trustee Maude: we've been there done that

[4:52:33] Trustee Maude: we're we're now the motion is the regional planning committee request staff bring back

[4:52:37] Trustee Maude: for an analysis on a fee per lot structure including consideration of a cap and part

[4:52:42] Trustee Maude: okay

[4:52:43] Voice 15: i i'm in favor all

[4:52:47] Trustee Maude: right so that's seven in favor okay hands down and anybody opposed

[4:52:57] Trustee Maude: no so that carries all right so we have no more motions so are we back to trustee dodds

[4:53:24] Voice 14: i i think so okay and

[4:53:27] Voice 14: i'm going back to the community benefits section if we can get that

[4:53:30] Voice 14: on my screen here we were talking about community the tup's and all of that so that's where i was

[4:53:38] Voice 14: so it's kind of a mute point it's really hard i hate doing these

[4:53:46] Voice 14: my tablet's not big enough to read all this stuff

[4:53:50] Voice 14: anyways i mostly wanted to say that the the issue of what is or what isn't a community benefit i

[4:53:56] Voice 14: I think is a political decision

[4:53:57] Voice 14: for a local trust committee to make.

[4:53:59] Voice 14: So at the time, and no, we're almost there.

[4:54:02] Voice 14: A little bit more, a little bit more, aha.

[4:54:05] Voice 14: Okay, so there was some concern around,

[4:54:08] Voice 14: you know, I quite understand like the whole increase

[4:54:12] Voice 14: in fees for temporary use, no, we're still not there.

[4:54:16] Voice 14: Scroll the screen a little bit more, temporary use permits.

[4:54:19] Voice 14: So the whole increase for temporary use permits is huge,

[4:54:22] Voice 14: but my experience with temporary use permits is they are,

[4:54:25] Voice 14: And we've chosen as a trust committee over the past few years to make them a much more public, almost similar to a rezoning application.

[4:54:35] Voice 14: So I think that the cost does have to reflect that a lot of our temporary use permits, well, I shouldn't say a lot, but I suspect some in the future will be for STVRs, which are very controversial.

[4:54:46] Voice 14: And then going back to the community benefit, as I said, whether it's a TUP for a community benefit, and that one's pretty straightforward.

[4:54:54] Voice 14: forward the renewal is a bit pricey but with the 25 20 reduction i think it's a reasonable amount

[4:55:00] Voice 14: so i think that's mostly what i wanted to say though i did lose track thank you okay any other

[4:55:08] Trustee Maude: comments so we're done with this section uh

[4:55:19] Voice 1: through the chair the if you want to go back to

[4:55:23] Voice 1: to the RFD on page 109 of my agenda.

[4:55:29] Voice 1: There's two resolutions recommended there.

[4:55:33] Voice 1: So I guess the question for the committee is,

[4:55:36] Voice 1: did you want to send this as amended to Trust Council?

[4:55:42] Voice 1: So we've got two resolutions.

[4:55:43] Voice 1: One is to amend the subdivision to add the 100 per lot.

[4:55:48] Voice 1: So we'll do that.

[4:55:49] Voice 1: And then the second one is to bring back

[4:55:51] Voice 1: for further analysis on FEEP a lot. So my question is are you waiting for that analysis before

[4:55:57] Voice 1: sending this to Trust Council or you want to send it to Trust Council with the explanation of how

[4:56:03] Voice 1: you're going to handle that?

[4:56:06] Trustee Maude: Well I think the question is to the person that put it on the

[4:56:09] Trustee Maude: table. So Timothy do you have any comments there?

[4:56:14] Voice 3: Yeah so my intention of making those two motions

[4:56:17] Voice 3: was um was that we could advance the business uh get the citrus council and that if we want to come

[4:56:24] Voice 3: back and amend it after we've heard from staff on that you know potentially adding a cap or the

[4:56:30] Voice 3: park dedication part so that we could hopefully do that relatively simply but not hold up the

[4:56:36] Voice 3: whole process uh waiting for that so

[4:56:38] Trustee Maude: we're seeing the documents being rather fluid okay thank you

[4:56:42] Trustee Maude: And I see Chair Luckham has his hand up, and we have to work on the unmuted.

[4:56:55] Voice 28: Yeah, so is the intention that this go to the June Council?

[4:56:59] Voice 28: There was some conversation there that suggested that September was the object.

[4:57:05] Voice 28: Certainly, it would be good to get it to June, but I'm not sure what the intention here is.

[4:57:11] Trustee Maude: I guess, David Marler, do you have any insight?

[4:57:15] Voice 1: That, to me, is totally a political decision.

[4:57:18] Voice 1: So you've identified more work on the subdivision.

[4:57:25] Voice 1: So you have two options.

[4:57:28] Voice 1: You could send this to council as is

[4:57:31] Voice 1: and let them know that staff,

[4:57:33] Voice 1: you've asked staff to come back

[4:57:34] Voice 1: with some further recommendations.

[4:57:36] Voice 1: So council probably wouldn't be adopting anything,

[4:57:38] Voice 1: probably just be having the luck at it

[4:57:40] Voice 1: and providing feedback.

[4:57:41] Voice 1: That's one thought.

[4:57:42] Voice 1: The other is that you don't send it to council

[4:57:45] Voice 1: council and let staff come back at the next meeting with recommendations for that subdivision

[4:57:50] Voice 1: and then send to council with those changes.

[4:57:55] Trustee Maude: So do we just want to do a little quick poll by

[4:57:59] Trustee Maude: showing our hands as to which way people want to go whether it be June or September? Is that the

[4:58:05] Trustee Maude: best way forward?

[4:58:09] Voice 14: I think so.

[4:58:11] Trustee Maude: Okay so let's just put down our hands and say okay for June. Who's

[4:58:22] Trustee Maude: Well, we see five paws in the air, so that looks like people want to go forward with June. Thank you. And Sarah Luckman, are you still going?

[4:58:38] Voice 15: Can I ask a question about that? Sorry.

[4:58:41] Trustee Maude: Absolutely.

[4:58:42] Voice 15: Okay, thanks. Yeah, I'm on the phone now with my audio, so I won't entirely disappear.

[4:58:48] Voice 15: appear um if we send it to june council but that that's to council in june that's with the

[4:58:55] Voice 15: understanding that they're going to look at it discuss it and probably kind of say yeah we like

[4:59:00] Voice 15: it but they won't they can't adopt it because it won't be complete right so i'm just worried that'll

[4:59:08] Voice 15: open a can of worms if you know what i mean

[4:59:10] Voice 1: so if i may through the chair yeah i'm a little

[4:59:13] Voice 1: the confused because there's two resolutions one is to amend the subdivision to add a hundred

[4:59:18] Voice 1: dollars per lot so that presumably means that that would be ready to go to council and could

[4:59:24] Voice 1: be adopted like council could adopt that and send it out to trust committees but at the same time

[4:59:29] Voice 1: you've also asked us to come back with an analysis of that and there could be further amendments to

[4:59:34] Voice 1: that so i'm not sure what you want to do if you want to go to council with this and then

[4:59:40] Voice 1: potentially come back and say oh by the way there's an amendment to subdivision that we would

[4:59:44] Voice 1: recommend as well or do you want us to delay going to council with this and do that analysis and come

[4:59:51] Voice 1: back with suggestions which kind of makes the first resolution moot so yeah I'm just confused

[5:00:00] Voice 1: what you're asking us to do okay

[5:00:02] Trustee Maude: well okay well i see there's lots of hands in the air so we'll

[5:00:05] Trustee Maude: start off with trustee patrick and see what she might sort of add the conversation the benefits

[5:00:11] Trustee Patrick: to going to trust council in june are that we have an out of whack expectation uh there are some

[5:00:19] Trustee Patrick: people who think that the model bylaws is going to generate the revenue that we can then afford

[5:00:23] Trustee Patrick: more staff to pay for it so i think it's better to have that conversation sooner cut because if

[5:00:29] Trustee Patrick: if there is a need to have more staff,

[5:00:32] Trustee Patrick: then that's something that needs to start getting processed

[5:00:35] Trustee Patrick: and analyzed so that it can be included

[5:00:37] Trustee Patrick: into the budget request process

[5:00:38] Trustee Patrick: that gets going before September Dress Council.

[5:00:43] Trustee Patrick: So, to me, it's let's have this conversation

[5:00:45] Trustee Patrick: so that the expectations are brought in line

[5:00:49] Trustee Patrick: and that a path can be created

[5:00:51] Trustee Patrick: for those who think they need more,

[5:00:53] Trustee Patrick: want more resources to deal with other issues.

[5:00:58] Trustee Maude: Okay, thank you. Chair Luckham.

[5:01:01] Voice 28: Yeah, thank you. I'm in line with Laura there, indeed. But that said,

[5:01:08] Voice 28: that expectations need to be delivered by decisions at Council. And so I think two things

[5:01:17] Voice 28: that, indeed, let's get this to Council in June. It's up to you, of course. Let's not bring it to

[5:01:23] Voice 28: council twice um let's bring it uh as ready to go so i think you need to think seriously about

[5:01:29] Voice 28: whether or not future amendments um to this guidelines is something that you would entertain

[5:01:35] Voice 28: or not and and i guess what i started asking is you have to gauge whether or not you really want

[5:01:41] Voice 28: to see these uh additional options associated with the with the second motion there um but

[5:01:50] Voice 28: But I would think that strategically, getting this before council, getting a decision of

[5:01:56] Voice 28: council to forward this to LTCs, for LTCs to include it in their fees processing, would

[5:02:01] Voice 28: be better to get that done now, as Laura has indicated, but for other reasons as well.

[5:02:09] Voice 28: Yeah, so I think there needs to be some clarity in what these two decisions before us mean.

[5:02:17] Voice 28: And that's my thoughts.

[5:02:19] Voice 28: okay

[5:02:20] Trustee Maude: thank you trustee langaris yeah

[5:02:23] Voice 23: i i'm in support of it going forward in june

[5:02:26] Voice 23: the uh if we vote we've got the other vote i mean why would we do the other motion if we

[5:02:32] Voice 23: weren't going to be sending it to june we would just not uh make the amendment adding the hundred

[5:02:38] Voice 23: dollars and then just do the motion to explore options so that was my understanding of voting

[5:02:43] Voice 23: voting for that option of amending at a hundred dollars.

[5:02:49] Voice 23: And I agree the sooner we get, I mean,

[5:02:52] Voice 23: the outcome of the review by staff,

[5:02:55] Voice 23: maybe a hundred dollars is fine, it works.

[5:02:57] Voice 23: It's covered enough for the range of situations

[5:03:01] Voice 23: on an average basis.

[5:03:03] Voice 23: We can't preclude a decision that excludes

[5:03:07] Voice 23: what we're doing now.

[5:03:08] Voice 23: So I don't know how trust council will feel about

[5:03:12] Voice 23: bylaw coming forward that says this and we note that we are still looking at a potential

[5:03:18] Voice 23: down the road option. I'm fine with that so it would be just a slight amendment to that bylaw

[5:03:26] Voice 23: down the road sometime but anyway.

[5:03:30] Trustee Maude: I guess the question is whether or not this is a fixed

[5:03:33] Trustee Maude: document going to Trust Council or it's a document that potentially is subject to some minor

[5:03:38] Trustee Maude: amendment.

[5:03:41] Trustee Maude: Trustee to be second.

[5:03:43] Voice 15: Thank you and thanks for chairing and I could probably take the chairing over again but

[5:03:48] Voice 15: why don't just have continuity let's finish 8.3 and then I'll just wrap up the rest of

[5:03:53] Voice 15: the meeting.

[5:03:53] Voice 15: Yeah I think we all would like to come to council I just want to make sure that we're

[5:03:58] Voice 15: not creating a tangle that's going to slow this down so I just want to clarify that what

[5:04:03] Voice 15: I hope will happen is the motion was made to add the $100 per lot fee to the subdivision

[5:04:09] Voice 15: that will be added to it it will be sent to to council uh as a whole piece that is ready for

[5:04:17] Voice 15: council to discuss and adopt and that this analysis that we asked for is going to just

[5:04:23] Voice 15: simply be information perhaps to file away for in the next year or two or three whenever this gets

[5:04:29] Voice 15: dealt with again i don't want to bring something to council and say well here it is adopted but

[5:04:33] Voice 15: you know we're going to change it a little bit like we can't it's too much i don't think that

[5:04:37] Voice 15: whatever we learned from that analysis is going to be important enough to slow the whole process

[5:04:42] Voice 15: down by by two and a half months and i'm sure i i was talking about september council earlier

[5:04:47] Voice 15: in the meeting but in my mind i was thinking june it just came out wrong um uh so that's i just want

[5:04:55] Voice 15: to be clear that that you know that what we send to council is our final decision okay we're not

[5:05:07] Voice 15: setting something that's not done yet oh

[5:05:11] Trustee Maude: does director mario have any sort of insight as to

[5:05:15] Trustee Maude: what we're doing to the to this document for june is are have we muddied the waters too much

[5:05:22] Voice 1: uh yeah david here uh there's a few minor amendments that we've identified

[5:05:26] Voice 1: um through the discussion which we will make to the policy those are more corrections than

[5:05:31] Voice 1: anything else. And the substantive amendment to the draft bylaw is to add the $100 per lot to the

[5:05:40] Voice 1: subdivision fee, which we will do. So what you could do then is send the bylaw to council as

[5:05:50] Voice 1: amended using the resolutions on the RFD on page 109 of my agenda. So regional planning committee

[5:05:58] Voice 1: to endorse the application process and service policy

[5:06:02] Voice 1: with attached model fee bylaws amended.

[5:06:04] Voice 1: And then the second one to send it to council,

[5:06:08] Voice 1: which is approving the request for a decision

[5:06:11] Voice 1: along with those two documents.

[5:06:15] Trustee Maude: Okay.

[5:06:16] Trustee Maude: Okay, and we just see,

[5:06:17] Trustee Maude: we'll loop back to the beginning with Trustee Peterson.

[5:06:24] Voice 3: Yeah, thank you.

[5:06:25] Voice 3: So just for clarity, I don't want us to hold things up.

[5:06:31] Voice 3: i think laura sort of outlined it and and i think we're sort of all on the same page let's um uh uh

[5:06:39] Voice 3: send this as amended to trust council um you know whatever we we receive the analysis on the other

[5:06:47] Voice 3: piece we can decide what we want to do at this point but i i don't think we want to be putting

[5:06:53] Voice 3: out the document to trust council saying oh yeah but um because we don't know whether that analysis

[5:07:00] Voice 3: this will be something that staff says you know it's no big deal or this really needs to be acted

[5:07:05] Voice 3: on so okay

[5:07:08] Trustee Maude: so now we're at the two recommended recommended motions um so tomorrow we have to

[5:07:17] Trustee Maude: say it's amended i'm

[5:07:25] Voice 3: happy to make the first motion

[5:07:27] Trustee Maude: excellent i

[5:07:30] Voice 3: move that regional planning

[5:07:32] Voice 3: committee endorsed the application processing services policy with attached model fees bylaw

[5:07:36] Voice 3: as amended okay

[5:07:38] Trustee Maude: do we have a seconder

[5:07:39] Voice 23: i'll second it okay

[5:07:42] Trustee Maude: second do we have discussion on that

[5:07:47] Trustee Maude: seeing no hands up we'll call the question all in favor okay we have six hands in favor put the

[5:07:59] Trustee Maude: hands down please anyone opposed one opposed oh not none opposed one opposed not opposed

[5:08:12] Trustee Maude: not opposed it will call it

[5:08:14] Trustee Fast: doesn't want to work okay

[5:08:18] Trustee Maude: so that carries second

[5:08:20] Trustee Maude: motion I

[5:08:23] Voice 3: move that regional planning committee approve the attached request

[5:08:26] Voice 3: for decision and send it along with the application processes service processing

[5:08:31] Voice 3: services policy with the attached model fees bylaw as amended to Trust Council

[5:08:36] Voice 3: Council for approval okay

[5:08:37] Trustee Maude: and a second I'll

[5:08:40] Voice 21: second okay

[5:08:41] Trustee Maude: seconded okay again any discussion on that

[5:08:49] sorry

[5:08:50] Trustee Patrick: too many things to raise here

[5:08:54] Voice 11: I'm

[5:08:55] Trustee Patrick: going to have one minor I'm going to bring a resolution

[5:08:58] Trustee Patrick: after this in regard to preparing a presentation to trust Council on this so I just wanted to give

[5:09:03] Trustee Patrick: a heads up

[5:09:04] Trustee Maude: okay well we'll we'll remember you okay so all in favor okay so we have five in favor

[5:09:15] Trustee Maude: hands down trustee patrick still has her hand up now down okay anybody opposed okay we'll carry

[5:09:32] Trustee Maude: that and trustee patrick uh thank you

[5:09:35] Trustee Patrick: um i i also have to leave for another meeting at 3 20 so uh

[5:09:39] Trustee Patrick: just in case they disappear um i wanted i'll bring this motion to the floor and then we can discuss

[5:09:43] Trustee Patrick: Yes, I move that the Regional Planning Committee direct staff to prepare, in cooperation with the Regional Planning Committee Chair, a presentation to Trust Council to explain the process and anticipated impacts.

[5:09:57] Trustee Maude: All right, do we have a seconder for that?

[5:09:59] Voice 5: Sorry, Chair, if I may.

[5:10:01] Voice 5: I was busy copying and pasting.

[5:10:04] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I sent it to you, Robert.

[5:10:06] Voice 5: Oh, you did?

[5:10:07] Voice 5: Okay, thank you.

[5:10:11] Trustee Maude: Okay.

[5:10:12] Voice 12: I'm going to

[5:10:13] Trustee Maude: wait to get it posted up.

[5:10:15] Voice 12: yeah because i didn't hear all of it and i think it mentioned me it did mention you

[5:10:24] Voice 12: hope

[5:10:34] Trustee Patrick: i sent it to him but i did send it to him there

[5:10:39] Trustee Maude: you go could

[5:10:41] Voice 15: i just as a friendly not even

[5:10:43] Voice 15: an amendment just like a the to me that motion is very opaque like motions are supposed to be

[5:10:48] Voice 15: understandable without having been at the meeting and it could be process and anticipated impacts

[5:10:53] Voice 15: of anything having happy hour at the next trust council meeting when we meet in person um and

[5:11:04] Voice 15: the applications

[5:11:07] Voice 9: services

[5:11:08] Voice 15: review or then the new fees bylaw or something like that

[5:11:12] Voice 15: yeah

[5:11:14] Voice 1: the application processing yeah that's good policy okay

[5:11:20] Trustee Maude: we see that as a friendly amendment

[5:11:21] Trustee Maude: yes

[5:11:22] Voice 15: review i think or maybe not because i guess it's a new one sure okay

[5:11:30] Trustee Maude: any other discussion on

[5:11:34] Trustee Maude: that oh

[5:11:35] Trustee Patrick: what was it seconded because i'll discuss oh

[5:11:37] Trustee Maude: i yeah somebody did second did they not if not

[5:11:41] Trustee Maude: is there a second okay thank you then

[5:11:45] Trustee Patrick: i do have discussion all

[5:11:47] Trustee Maude: right i

[5:11:48] Trustee Patrick: just i just think because

[5:11:49] Trustee Patrick: there's all those different expectations i think we should just own it and put a presentation out

[5:11:54] Trustee Patrick: out there of what this is, what the expectation is.

[5:11:57] Trustee Patrick: Say, you know, call it as it is

[5:11:59] Trustee Patrick: that this is not going to generate, you know,

[5:12:01] Trustee Patrick: or estimate or whatever we can do so that it doesn't,

[5:12:05] Trustee Patrick: you know, we can just end some of the questions

[5:12:07] Trustee Patrick: that are gonna come out and deal with it appropriately.

[5:12:10] Trustee Patrick: And, you know, a nice short presentation,

[5:12:13] Trustee Patrick: but one that's a little bit different

[5:12:14] Trustee Patrick: than just a staff report.

[5:12:19] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[5:12:20] Trustee Maude: So any other discussion?

[5:12:24] Trustee Maude: If not, oh, we have a hand up, Trustee Boussakin.

[5:12:27] Voice 15: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I'll just, I'm happy to do this. Like it's a, I don't usually work with staff on those kinds of things, but I think because this is such a, not even contentious, it's just a,

[5:12:39] Voice 11: there's

[5:12:41] Voice 15: a lot of expectation and hopes being pinned on this.

[5:12:44] Voice 15: And so I'm, you know, I'm happy to be part of putting together a presentation and I'll try and be fair to, to the nature, you know, to fairly represent the discussion here.

[5:12:57] Trustee Maude: Thank you.

[5:12:58] Trustee Maude: That's all.

[5:12:59] Trustee Maude: Okay. Any other discussion? If not, we'll call the question. All in favor? And we have six in favor. Okay. Hands down. Anybody opposed? And we'll call that carried. And with that, I believe we will hand the digital gavel back to the chair.

[5:13:25] Voice 15: Okay. Well, and thanks so much Trustee Maude for taking over when my internet gave up.

[5:13:33] Voice 15: So, I'm going to try and move us along because we're over schedule. We have no new business.

[5:13:38] Voice 15: We've got the work program 10.1. We've had a chance to look at this. Are there any staff

[5:13:46] Voice 15: comments or updates that are important right now? Okay. Are there any?

[5:13:53] Voice 9: No.

[5:13:53] Voice 9: Go

[5:13:54] Voice 15: ahead. Am I rushing?

[5:13:57] Voice 15: any comments or questions from trustees about the work program we are working on it great so next

[5:14:05] Voice 15: meeting and here is the question uh i would like us i would like staff to schedule a meeting uh

[5:14:13] Voice 15: perhaps sometime in july sometime or sometime in june like between now and let's just say schedule

[5:14:23] Voice 15: an extra meeting to discuss the two reports that have come in one on the shoreline protection and

[5:14:32] Voice 15: one on the floor area ratio model um because i think we've got those reports they're sitting

[5:14:39] Voice 15: there um tbc's meeting a lot we could have an extra meeting that's what i think i'm not

[5:14:46] Voice 15: like i'm kind of not putting emotion out there just because i'm waiting to see people shake

[5:14:51] Voice 15: shake their head or do a thumbs down.

[5:14:53] Voice 15: Otherwise, I would put a motion out there.

[5:14:59] Voice 15: Probably, okay, good.

[5:15:00] Voice 15: And at the end of a meeting, it's harder to say yes to this.

[5:15:03] Voice 15: So I will move that regional planning committee request staff to schedule an additional meeting

[5:15:15] Voice 15: to discuss the shoreline protection report.

[5:15:23] Voice 15: I don't know if that's the right term.

[5:15:25] Voice 15: but we know what we mean.

[5:15:26] Voice 15: And the floor area ratio report.

[5:15:35] Voice 15: Seconded by Trustee Wolverton.

[5:15:38] Voice 15: Okay, any discussion?

[5:15:42] Voice 15: Thank you.

[5:15:42] Voice 28: We're a hard working-

[5:15:43] Voice 15: I

[5:15:43] Voice 28: was hoping to get you.

[5:15:44] Voice 15: Go ahead.

[5:15:44] Voice 15: I was trying

[5:15:45] Voice 28: to get your attention

[5:15:46] Voice 28: and I guess I failed.

[5:15:47] Voice 15: Oh sorry, I see it over there, yeah.

[5:15:50] Voice 28: Yeah, that's all right.

[5:15:51] Voice 15: Go ahead.

[5:15:54] Voice 28: I'm just gonna say that we heard this morning

[5:15:57] Voice 28: in the executive committee conference call

[5:16:01] Voice 28: that there are too many meetings.

[5:16:04] Voice 28: I'll just let that settle for a minute. Because LTCs and committees are holding more meetings. And it's really taxing the capacity of staff to do it, period. And we only have a limited number of staff. We already know applications are up.

[5:16:22] Voice 28: we already know that staff are working to full capacity if not planning meetings doing other

[5:16:29] Voice 28: important work the furthest the mandate of the honest trust so i just simply have to ask the

[5:16:35] Voice 28: question what's the expectation here we have two reports yep yep we should look at them

[5:16:41] Voice 28: the next council meeting where that might be advanced to council is september and if we have

[5:16:48] Voice 28: have a meeting in August, honestly, can we not do it in August, rather than creating another meeting

[5:16:55] Voice 28: in July, when we are just so overtaxed at the moment. And it's a stress on staff, not so much

[5:17:05] Voice 28: on trustees, but a real stress on staff. And so it's certainly up to David to express whether or

[5:17:12] Voice 28: not he has that internal capacity in his own office to do that. But you know, it becomes more

[5:17:17] Voice 28: more and more obvious to me as time goes by is Director Marler is an unsung hero and champion

[5:17:25] Voice 28: at the Islands Trust because he manages 70% of the work at the Islands Trust. And so I just want

[5:17:34] Voice 28: to respect that and respect him in his capacity. And he and his staff need vacations in the summer

[5:17:40] Voice 28: months too. And that's completely beside the point. But I just really ask you to consider

[5:17:46] Voice 28: that if we're asking for more meetings because it's been brought to the ec's attention that

[5:17:51] Voice 28: we're pushing the limits and abilities of our staff to do the work that we're asking them to do

[5:17:58] Voice 15: thank you um so and i there's quite a few people who want to speak and i don't even know if we

[5:18:05] Voice 15: still have forum so this may be moved but let's take the speakers as they come up and at least

[5:18:13] Voice 15: discuss it. There's actually, like, I mean, as Chair Leckham pointed out, this is a bigger

[5:18:21] Voice 15: question, and there is more at stake than just, geez, can we all find a few hours in the middle

[5:18:27] Voice 15: of June or July? So thanks for bringing that reality check. Let's just go through the speaker's

[5:18:33] Voice 15: list, and let's try not to repeat what other people have said. So, Trustee Longeray?

[5:18:38] Voice 15: uh

[5:18:39] Voice 23: just a quick question we've got five trustees here is that quorum hopefully i don't know

[5:18:46] Voice 15: robert do you know if it's quorum i think it's five yes

[5:18:50] Voice 5: you do have quorum quorum is five

[5:18:52] Voice 5: and you do have five i believe at this point yeah

[5:18:56] Voice 23: okay yeah um actually the reason i put up my hand

[5:19:00] Voice 23: originally though was just ancillary to the whole notion of an extra meeting whether that was just

[5:19:04] Voice 23: going to be limited to those two topics or not because i had put sent in an email what i wanted

[5:19:12] Voice 23: to put on as a discussion item at some point and i didn't know if that could be appended to that

[5:19:17] Voice 23: meeting or not um or whether it would just flow through to the august meeting but uh so that was

[5:19:24] Voice 23: one of my questions around that original motion i should have i forgot about it at the beginning of

[5:19:31] Voice 23: of the meeting oh

[5:19:34] Voice 15: i'll just answer that if i make i put the motion on and i'm sorry i did also forget

[5:19:38] Voice 15: about it um

[5:19:39] Voice 15: at the beginning of the meeting and when i made that motion but at this point i think

[5:19:43] Voice 15: you know it seems like there's a it's kind of in a way awesome that we're bringing things forward

[5:19:48] Voice 15: there's a a list of work awaiting us and the reports came in first and their trust council

[5:19:55] Voice 15: priorities on the strategic plan so i'd like to if we're going to have a meeting keep it focused

[5:19:59] Voice 15: on just those two.

[5:20:01] Voice 23: Okay, that's fine.

[5:20:02] Voice 23: I'll put it forward or I'll submit something

[5:20:06] Voice 23: to the email that I sent for the August meeting

[5:20:10] Voice 23: then for discussion.

[5:20:12] Voice 23: Cause it is a, the model strategy is a trust,

[5:20:16] Voice 23: a regional planning committee document.

[5:20:18] Voice 23: So I'll do that then.

[5:20:21] Voice 15: Okay, thanks.

[5:20:25] Voice 15: Trustee Peterson and then Wolverton.

[5:20:30] Voice 3: Thanks chair.

[5:20:31] Voice 3: Chair, so I just want to be sensitive to the pressure on staffing and I don't know if we

[5:20:43] Voice 3: want to put Director Marlowe in the hot seat for a comment on that, but I'm just wondering

[5:20:47] Voice 3: if adding another meeting is problematic, whether we could consider like receiving those

[5:21:00] Voice 3: those reports by email to have a look at it so we're a bit more up to speed before the August

[5:21:05] Voice 3: meeting as potentially an alternative. I

[5:21:14] Voice 15: think David Marler wanted to speak to that. I was

[5:21:16] Voice 15: thinking about the way you lean forward. Director Marler, did you want to talk about that?

[5:21:22] Voice 1: Sure, yeah, and actually I could respond to Chair Luckham's comments as well. So any meeting,

[5:21:29] Voice 1: the biggest impact, a meeting like this where there's one item, so it's like a special meeting,

[5:21:36] Voice 1: So the impact on me for writing a report doesn't make much difference.

[5:21:40] Voice 1: I just write it sooner than later.

[5:21:43] Voice 1: It's just time attending the meeting and doing that.

[5:21:46] Voice 1: So that to me is not a problem.

[5:21:48] Voice 1: The biggest impact is on the administrative staff.

[5:21:51] Voice 1: So if this resolution passes, Dion and Robert will have to now spend time finding a day that works.

[5:21:59] Voice 1: And that is very time consuming.

[5:22:01] Voice 1: And July can be awkward because it is heading into summer.

[5:22:04] Voice 1: so people want time off so it gets more difficult to find a time that would work for everybody so

[5:22:11] Voice 1: that's one consideration and then pulling the agenda together running the meeting and doing

[5:22:16] Voice 1: the follow-up so it's more the administrative staff and that is the area that I would be concerned

[5:22:20] Voice 1: about the impact of an additional meeting especially because we're using zoom which

[5:22:26] Voice 1: requires more administrative support than an in-person meeting normally would

[5:22:33] Voice 1: so yeah so that's my comments with respect to that as far as sending it out to you I could do

[5:22:40] Voice 1: that it could probably be out of context we just received the reports and read them so if that

[5:22:46] Voice 1: happens I would probably ask that you just withhold getting hold of me because you don't

[5:22:51] Voice 1: like something until we've had the opportunity to provide you analysis and some commentary about

[5:22:56] Voice 1: what to do with it um yeah so i don't really have much more to say about that it's um those are my

[5:23:05] Voice 1: main concerns thank

[5:23:08] Voice 15: you um and trustee wolverton um

[5:23:12] Voice 21: i would just i would speak in favor of the

[5:23:14] Voice 21: motion um i i'm although i i'm fine with it kind of you know being being uh uh postponed a bit

[5:23:24] Voice 21: But, I mean, I think these are important reports, and I think that we need to focus on them.

[5:23:33] Voice 21: I mean, I understand the applications have gone way up, but, you know, I mean, I think

[5:23:40] Voice 21: these are, if I'm going to weigh the two, I think we need to be dealing with these reports.

[5:23:49] Voice 15: Okay, thanks.

[5:23:50] Voice 15: And I just put myself on the speaker's list, and I just want to say, I don't want to put

[5:23:57] Voice 15: so much weight on staff. And I know the administrator staff, especially with COVID

[5:24:01] Voice 15: and getting used to Zoom and working at home, it's a lot. But I do think, I think that, well,

[5:24:09] Voice 15: Trustee Patrick made a comment in the chat about, as she left, about the reports impacting the work

[5:24:14] Voice 15: of many LTC projects. And that's what I'm thinking about. Like, these are actually both topics that

[5:24:19] Voice 15: that are really top of mind for a lot of LTCs.

[5:24:26] Voice 15: And I didn't know that there are more meetings

[5:24:30] Voice 15: happening overall across the trust area.

[5:24:32] Voice 15: I'm not seeing that in my world.

[5:24:35] Voice 15: I think LTC, I mean, RPC,

[5:24:38] Voice 15: we did increase our number of meetings,

[5:24:40] Voice 15: but not extensively.

[5:24:43] Voice 15: My LTC, the number of meetings go down every year.

[5:24:46] Voice 15: So it's almost half as many meetings

[5:24:48] Voice 15: as when I first became a trustee.

[5:24:50] Voice 15: So, yeah, I still would like us to have the extra meeting if possible, but I understand if people don't support that.

[5:25:01] Voice 15: So, I mean, they'll come to a vote in a minute.

[5:25:04] Voice 15: Trustee Wolbert, your hand is still up, but I think you spoke.

[5:25:09] Voice 15: And Trustee Longerice, is this a residual hand or?

[5:25:13] Voice 23: No, I

[5:25:14] Voice 23: was actually going to just say, I didn't say at the start that I'm not in favor of the motion.

[5:25:19] Voice 23: that I think it's it's just there are too many meetings I agree with that that concern about

[5:25:25] Voice 23: staff so I just just want if it did get passed whether I would be able to attach my my

[5:25:34] Voice 23: correspondence to that meeting so

[5:25:36] Voice 15: okay um okay well now I'm feeling kind of hesitant about the

[5:25:43] Voice 15: whole endeavor but I'm going to the I'm going to call the question so the question is to ask for

[5:25:50] Voice 15: for an extra meeting to be scheduled

[5:25:51] Voice 15: and I'm gonna say all in favor.

[5:25:58] Voice 15: Okay, so I see two, I know there's five of us,

[5:26:01] Voice 15: so that motion fails.

[5:26:03] Voice 15: And fair enough, I think we heard strong arguments

[5:26:05] Voice 15: on both sides and if we could have a look

[5:26:10] Voice 15: at those reports, I know some of us

[5:26:11] Voice 15: are very curious about them.

[5:26:14] Voice 1: Yes, through

[5:26:15] Voice 1: the chair, I can forward them

[5:26:18] Voice 1: to the committee by email and just indicate

[5:26:22] Voice 1: that we'll be bringing it to you at your next meeting

[5:26:24] Voice 1: for um with some recommendations as to what to do next good

[5:26:29] Voice 15: okay thank you great so our next

[5:26:32] Voice 15: meeting is wednesday august 25th 2021 from 10 till 3 and i want to thank everyone for uh showing up

[5:26:41] Voice 15: and working hard there we did a lot today and a lot of kind of big pieces that really engaged our

[5:26:46] Voice 15: our brain uh and i want to particularly thank our staff and we had a lot of staff support today and

[5:26:53] Voice 15: And that was great. But particularly the dedicated staff for this committee, which is Marissa Chadwick and David Marler.

[5:27:01] Voice 15: We have so much going on that we can barely keep up with it.

[5:27:06] Voice 15: And I think there's that in in many ways.

[5:27:10] Voice 15: And it truly is awesome to have so much going on that you're struggling to have time to even process it is way better than sitting around and waiting for work to get done.

[5:27:21] Voice 15: so I just want to celebrate that. And I think that's it, so see you all.

[5:27:29] Voice 15: If I

[5:27:30] Voice 15: may, thank

[5:27:33] Voice 1: you. I just wanted to maybe take an opportunity to thank Robert

[5:27:38] Voice 1: Barlow. He's been essentially acting as your administrator for these meetings for the past

[5:27:45] Voice 1: year or so,

[5:27:46] Voice 1: and he's handing that off now to Dionne. So Dionne's been here today to

[5:27:51] Voice 1: lend her up, so next time it will be Dionne. So thank you Robert and welcome Dionne, thank you

[5:27:57] Voice 1: as well.

[5:27:59] Voice 15: Yes, thank you so much for that and yes thank you Robert and I was remiss in not

[5:28:04] Voice 15: mentioning you as one of the dedicated staff members for this committee and you've done a

[5:28:11] Voice 15: a great job and continue to do a great job so thank you so much and welcome dion i just repeated

[5:28:17] Voice 15: what david said so well but i'm the chair so now two people have said it um okay so meetings

[5:28:26] Voice 15: adjourned thank you bye

[5:28:29] Voice 1: all thank you bye bye dion

[5:28:43] Voice 5: as host i think you need to stop the live

[5:28:46] Voice 5: streaming oh

[5:28:48] Voice 11: okay i

[5:28:49] Voice 5: don't seem to have that feature because i was co-host do you see where

[5:28:56] Voice 5: it is should have three buttons down on the