Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 20, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 3: This is a tough union.

[0:00:01] Voice 3: Time

[0:00:02] Voice 7: travel is something I do frequently.

[0:00:05] Voice 8: It's one

[0:00:05] Voice 7: o'clock and we are recording and live streaming now.

[0:00:14] Voice 16: So good afternoon, everyone.

[0:00:16] Voice 16: We have 12 members got appointed.

[0:00:20] Voice 16: So I'm not sure if they are all here.

[0:00:23] Voice 16: Maybe we could just wait for one more minute.

[0:00:29] Voice 16: I know one cannot attend and that's an excused absence.

[0:00:47] Voice 6: Is that a picture of your horse on the back wall?

[0:00:58] Voice 4: Horse? House? Are you talking to me?

[0:01:05] Voice 6: No, the lady there, I was wondering if it was a picture of a horse on her back wall.

[0:01:10] Voice 16: Oh, me? Yes.

[0:01:13] Voice 16: Sorry, I was looking at others to see the horse too.

[0:01:20] Voice 6: And if you would kindly pronounce your first name Mayer, is it?

[0:01:23] Voice 6: Because I don't want to insult you by pronouncing it wrong.

[0:01:26] Voice 4: Oh, no, you can't insult me. I've been called all kinds of things.

[0:01:29] Voice 4: But it's Mayer, like Mayer Mortal.

[0:01:31] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:01:32] Voice 6: Thank you. And Najma?

[0:01:38] Voice 11: Najma. Yeah, that's very

[0:01:39] Voice 11: close. Yeah. And Mir, that's good to know.

[0:01:44] Voice 11: I was thinking Mayor. I felt like the R was silent in the middle there somehow, but I, yeah.

[0:01:51] Voice 4: I respond to, come here.

[0:01:57] Voice 16: So it's one minute past one o'clock, and we need to stick to the start time,

[0:02:04] Voice 16: even though we give a little bit more time for others to join and they can still come in and

[0:02:10] Voice 16: join. In the absence of the chair, you're going to have to bear with me. I will be doing most of the

[0:02:16] Voice 16: talking at least for just the first half of the first meeting until you selected a chair,

[0:02:23] Voice 16: then the chair can take over and run the agenda. So thank you so much for joining us and it's a

[0:02:30] Voice 16: a pleasure meeting with you all. I'm Lisa Garbo. I'm the manager of this Housing Action Program

[0:02:37] Voice 16: project, and it's a pleasure to join you from the Laconquin territory. So with me, there are

[0:02:46] Voice 16: the technical staff and the planners that's on the team. With the very short time we have,

[0:02:52] Voice 16: I'm going to introduce the staff to you. We have Rob as a technical staff. We have Christine and

[0:02:59] Voice 16: And Jordi, who are the planners on the team, they are really the technical experts.

[0:03:04] Voice 16: I turn to them a lot for their support.

[0:03:06] Voice 16: And we also have Sarah in the background to take the meeting minutes.

[0:03:11] Voice 16: And we have the pleasure to have Daniella to join us, the legislative clerk, because she's providing you all this mandatory orientation.

[0:03:26] Voice 16: orientation, and that's referred to a lot of the legal protocols as the appointed officials.

[0:03:33] Voice 16: With that being said, and just a quick introduction about myself so you understand

[0:03:39] Voice 16: the person who's managing the project behind. I'm actually quite new to Salt Spring. I have

[0:03:45] Voice 16: only been with Salt Spring Island office for about eight months. However, I learned quite a lot really

[0:03:52] Voice 16: really fast, and that's just because of the nature of the profession, and met with a lot of people

[0:03:59] Voice 16: already. And this project is the public engagement framework, public engagement plan, the project

[0:04:07] Voice 16: charter, all of that has already been approved by LTC, and we have a couple of documents attached

[0:04:15] Voice 16: for your reference. So before we get started, are there any comments on the agenda that you

[0:04:22] Voice 16: want to add to before we go around the table to introduce yourself it's very simple straightforward

[0:04:32] Voice 16: just for the introductory meeting so uh so let's just consider that uh it's being accepted anyone

[0:04:41] Voice 16: opposed to it if you want to raise your hand otherwise it will be approved i'm

[0:04:48] Voice 4: yeah i'm

[0:04:49] Voice 4: curious about appointment of chair and vice chair happening so early when people don't know each

[0:04:55] Voice 4: other it seems uh odd to have that happen right at the beginning i

[0:04:59] Voice 16: don't disagree but this is the

[0:05:01] Voice 16: protocol and according to the community charter and which means it's the law it's something we

[0:05:07] Voice 16: we can alter uh and uh this is something that's it's not always bad because uh you elect you

[0:05:16] Voice 16: select whoever and then you guys can vote for it and which is you know we're going to do that in a

[0:05:22] Voice 16: minute uh but uh rest assured you know you you can uh it's a good experience even for someone

[0:05:30] Voice 16: on the task force have not had that uh chairman uh person perspective uh it's actually it's not

[0:05:37] Voice 16: a bad thing uh but maybe hopefully the introduction can help and i do encourage you to limit to your

[0:05:44] Voice 16: conversation in the introduction so that we can move forward and move along the agenda smoothly

[0:05:50] Voice 16: Absolutely. So I'm going to maybe ask, based on my screen, I have James back.

[0:05:57] Voice 16: If you'd like to start introducing yourself to the group.

[0:06:02] Voice 6: My name is James. I moved to Salt Spring Island in 2015 with my family.

[0:06:07] Voice 6: I raised Turkana horses I used to import from England.

[0:06:11] Voice 6: That's why I like the horse on your wall.

[0:06:13] Voice 6: And I've been involved most of my life with special needs.

[0:06:17] Voice 6: We adopted a young boy that had special needs and he's been a real shining light for our family.

[0:06:24] Voice 6: And I have a lot of regard for those people with special needs that have no pretense, that don't judge others and yet have hopes and dreams and wake up every day with the hopes that they can have some meaningfulness in their life.

[0:06:37] Voice 6: So I'm a little bit complexioned in the sense I'm an advocate for special needs.

[0:06:42] Voice 6: I have started a housing foundation called the Helsing Foundation, which is a pretty ambitious undertaking.

[0:06:49] Voice 6: I have a couple of other options, too, that we can talk about in some time.

[0:06:54] Voice 6: But right now, my concern is that is to try to for us to come together and try to really put the action into this task force to see what we can do to to create a vision that to offer some sustainability for for people where we also

[0:07:12] Voice 6: also provide, in addition to the affordable housing, the environmental concerns that get

[0:07:18] Voice 6: addressed, and certainly the social well-being. I think that's a really important part of all of it.

[0:07:23] Voice 6: So I'm really pleased to be part of this group. I'm kind of a novice in all of this, so I'll be

[0:07:28] Voice 6: doing a lot of listening, and I hope at the end of the day I can contribute somewhat.

[0:07:32] Voice 16: Thank you, James. Yvonne?

[0:07:36] Voice 13: Thank you. Hello, everybody. I'm Yvonne. I've had connections with Salt Spring since 1990,

[0:07:42] Voice 13: when my mother moved here so I've been backwards and forwards for like 15 years and then I decided

[0:07:49] Voice 13: when I retired from West Vancouver that I would come and buy property here because from my first

[0:07:56] Voice 13: visit to Salt Spring for me there was a huge connection and I knew one day I'd be here so I

[0:08:01] Voice 13: knew the background of Salt Spring I remember Salt Spring in the 1990s where people danced on

[0:08:07] Voice 13: I call it the village green but of course it's Centennial Park but I can remember the music and

[0:08:14] Voice 13: the dancing the joy of togetherness that I felt on this island so I really have a deep rooted

[0:08:20] Voice 13: connection. I moved here myself in 2012 and renovated a house which I love and I live right

[0:08:28] Voice 13: downtown in the core so I see what's going on and you know there's been changes that none of us have

[0:08:34] Voice 13: have been in control of but I feel having lived in West Vancouver and seeing what's happened to

[0:08:41] Voice 13: Vancouver itself as a city which has changed dramatically I first arrived I visited Vancouver

[0:08:49] Voice 13: in 1971 and of course it was a very different place and no one would expect it to stay the same

[0:08:54] Voice 13: but I don't want to see the high-rise situation that I saw with my own eyes change people in

[0:09:01] Voice 13: Vancouver. I don't want anything like that happening here and I feel that we have enough

[0:09:06] Voice 13: land and resources and caring and that wonderful feeling of camaraderie that I feel Salt Spring is

[0:09:13] Voice 13: all about. I want us to keep that. I don't want houses going up to higher levels where people

[0:09:20] Voice 13: don't have gardens anymore, there's no fresh air and it does affect people's well-being. So my

[0:09:26] Voice 13: My concern is for the very best of Salt Spring, I realize we have a housing problem, and I'd love to be part of solving it.

[0:09:34] Voice 13: And I feel working together is the right way to go about it.

[0:09:38] Voice 13: So I really look forward to working together with everybody and putting in my input, or small as it may be.

[0:09:47] Voice 13: But this is how problems get resolved, by people pooling their resources and having discussions.

[0:09:53] Voice 13: And we end up hopefully with a really happy outcome.

[0:09:56] Voice 13: come and that's my dream thank

[0:09:58] Voice 16: you uh mera did i get your name right you're still on mute there

[0:10:14] Voice 4: so i i my history with salt spring goes back to the early 50s when there was no paved roads

[0:10:21] Voice 4: and i holidayed as a youngster on weston lake and uh and then as a young hippie i lived out

[0:10:31] Voice 4: out in Maracaibo before it was subdivided

[0:10:33] Voice 4: and moved my teepee over to out by Musgraves.

[0:10:39] Voice 4: And so I had a long history with Salt Spring,

[0:10:41] Voice 4: moved here permanently with my young family in 1988.

[0:10:47] Voice 4: And you know a little bit about my building background.

[0:10:52] Voice 4: I'm quite passionate about how we build.

[0:10:57] Voice 4: And when we talk about affordable housing,

[0:10:59] Voice 4: to me it's what makes it affordable is the size and it's not something to compromise on quality

[0:11:09] Voice 4: so I'm just going to read you a little something that I wrote will give you an insight into how I

[0:11:14] Voice 4: think and what I believe in what I stand for and this is with a brain trust that I'm involved in

[0:11:22] Voice 4: we're not only trying to minimize the impacts on the environment and people's health

[0:11:26] Voice 4: we are not believers in smart homes we believe in being wise simplicity has

[0:11:32] Voice 4: profound rewards we do not believe that disposal disposable housing that is with

[0:11:38] Voice 4: a lifespan under 200 years has any place in a sustainable future therefore we do

[0:11:44] Voice 4: not see cost per square foot and an initial embodied energy as high priority

[0:11:48] Voice 4: conversations we do not believe incremental change isn't an appropriate

[0:11:52] Voice 4: response to the impending environmental apocalypse we believe that a disruptive

[0:11:57] Voice 4: new building paradigm is essential to our survival as a species and what that

[0:12:04] Voice 4: looks like is walking into the home you breathe air with less carbon dioxide and

[0:12:10] Voice 4: more oxygen than anyone has breathed in hundreds of years the home is

[0:12:15] Voice 4: inhospitable to viruses and molds rain harvested water is reused four times

[0:12:21] Voice 4: dramatically reducing the amount required the indoor garden provides high quality food for

[0:12:27] Voice 4: the occupants the lighting is synchronized with our circadian rhythms and in the evening the

[0:12:32] Voice 4: lighting is optimized for the production of melatonin the building envelope has created

[0:12:37] Voice 4: an acoustic sanctuary where the outdoor noises do not penetrate inside the design has optimized

[0:12:44] Voice 4: texture and mass for optimal acoustic quality. Any threat of radon contamination from the soils

[0:12:52] Voice 4: underneath the building is eliminated. Today's microwave pollution and tomorrow's 5G is cut in

[0:12:57] Voice 4: half by the building envelope. Most buildings are transparent to these frequencies. Electromagnetic

[0:13:04] Voice 4: frequencies inside are reduced to near zero. The Earth's magnetic field variables, such as

[0:13:10] Voice 4: schumann's resonance are synchronized with outside conditions particulate matter under 2.5 microns and

[0:13:17] Voice 4: formaldehyde are measurably reduced to very low concentrations temperature and humidity are

[0:13:23] Voice 4: extremely stable due to the flywheel effect and hygric buffering without any use of electricity

[0:13:29] Voice 4: the cool of deep space is harvested and stored in an underground reservoir for use in the home's

[0:13:36] Voice 4: cooling as needed oh it goes on but you get the flavor of it i i hope and this is what my life

[0:13:44] Voice 4: has been about and what i'm committed to and i hope to be able to contribute um and all those

[0:13:51] Voice 4: things are possible so just like i i'm at the cutting edge of green building and i would like

[0:13:58] Voice 4: that how we build for poor people for affordable housing is not compromised

[0:14:06] Voice 4: anyways so that's that's and i i see a lot of diverse people in this group and look forward

[0:14:12] Voice 4: to working with you all thank

[0:14:14] Voice 16: you i would love to hear more about it uh but i do want to uh mention

[0:14:20] Voice 16: that we don't have a lot of time left for this section of the on the agenda so uh if you don't

[0:14:26] Voice 16: might go around quickly introducing yourself we will select the chair and vice chair so that we

[0:14:31] Voice 16: can start the orientation and nashma did i get it right

[0:14:37] Voice 11: yeah nashma nash like snow but i don't like

[0:14:42] Voice 11: snow but i mean i like it but you know anyways so um yeah i've been coming part of salt spring

[0:14:49] Voice 11: community since the mid 90s as a young teenager and i have definitely i feel like i um sent a

[0:14:56] Voice 11: a little info out to you all just about myself. But I'm just really excited to be here and feel

[0:15:03] Voice 11: like this group, we have a great potential right now to collaborate. We just have so many different

[0:15:09] Voice 11: resources and skills. And I hope that I can bring a little bit of lightness, humor, cohesiveness.

[0:15:16] Voice 11: I've got a social work background. So I love people. I love interpersonal connections and

[0:15:22] Voice 11: and how we relate to each other.

[0:15:23] Voice 11: And I feel like that actually is a huge part

[0:15:25] Voice 11: of what it's beyond housing, it's community, it's home.

[0:15:29] Voice 11: So I think that this is where I think that all of the layers

[0:15:33] Voice 11: of what we're all bringing is going to make a lot of sense

[0:15:36] Voice 11: at the end of this, hopefully.

[0:15:37] Voice 11: So thank you.

[0:15:38] Voice 11: And yeah, thanks.

[0:15:40] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:15:42] Voice 16: Stanley?

[0:15:44] Voice 18: Would you call?

[0:15:47] Voice 16: Sorry, Stanley, did I get it right?

[0:15:49] Voice 3: Yeah, Stanley, you're right.

[0:15:50] Voice 3: Well, I've been on Salt Spring since 1997, having come from, you know, retired from Simon Fraser University, where I was teaching academic administration.

[0:16:01] Voice 3: Since on Salt Spring, I've been a professional organization type, I guess you would think, starting with the library and our proudest achievement was getting the new library built.

[0:16:13] Voice 3: I've been on the advisory planning, well, currently on the Advisory Planning Commission, but before that I was on the Parks Commission for CRD, the organizing committees for the two committees that organized the referendum, the second referendum in terms of incorporation.

[0:16:35] Voice 3: And as you say, right now I'm on advisory planning and also involved in the planning for Meadow Lane, the second senior's residence that we remain hopeful will be breaking ground in September or October.

[0:16:53] Voice 3: But we shall see about that.

[0:16:56] Voice 3: Delighted to be on this group.

[0:16:57] Voice 3: I'm especially pleased that the oral literature reflects a balance between economic and the

[0:17:07] Voice 3: environmental and the social aspects of sustainability.

[0:17:11] Voice 3: I look forward to being with the group and at the end of the process, having something

[0:17:17] Voice 3: we can point out as having achieved something in output as well as process.

[0:17:25] Voice 3: process. In terms of positions on housing, if I had to pick an advocate, I must admit I'm very

[0:17:34] Voice 3: sympathetic to many of Ronan's positions.

[0:17:38] Voice 16: Thank you. Jessica, you're on mute.

[0:17:49] Voice 12: My apologies. Hi, everyone. Really nice to meet you all and have a chance to hear a little bit

[0:17:55] Voice 12: about your backgrounds. In regards to myself, this is my third time living on Salt Spring.

[0:18:02] Voice 12: Over the last 11 years, I've had to move back and forth due to unstable housing.

[0:18:08] Voice 12: So this is something that is important to me personally.

[0:18:12] Voice 12: And also for my, I guess my educational and career background is in, I've worked mostly

[0:18:19] Voice 12: in transition houses and in shelters.

[0:18:22] Voice 12: I've also worked at the shelter here on Salt Spring.

[0:18:25] Voice 12: I suppose I'm really passionate about breaking down some of the stigmas and stereotypes

[0:18:30] Voice 12: types surrounding people who are unhoused and i hope that i can provide a little bit of that

[0:18:36] Voice 12: background here as i think a healthy community is a diverse community i know that we have a

[0:18:44] Voice 12: large amount of people here on salt spring who are under housed or who struggle with housing issues

[0:18:50] Voice 12: myself in the past included and i'm looking forward to especially learning more about

[0:18:58] Voice 12: why some of the challenges exist. I think Salt Spring Island is an incredible place and we can

[0:19:05] Voice 12: be an example as a smaller microcosm perhaps to other communities in regards to more of our

[0:19:14] Voice 12: sustainable principles and environmental principles and also social principles as well.

[0:19:21] Voice 12: thank you uh ronan hi

[0:19:30] Voice 10: everyone um it's great to to see you all meet you all what a great

[0:19:34] Voice 10: group of people here so far um i moved to salt spring when i was nine years old in 1983

[0:19:41] Voice 10: and graduated in 1991 um lived off and on while studying through my 20s

[0:19:49] Voice 10: and worked as a carpenter on salt spring getting getting my feet wet on ecological building

[0:19:55] Voice 10: with MIRROR on the Bachmann Round Earth project and later I moved to Vancouver Island to study

[0:20:03] Voice 10: music in Nanaimo and wound up living there for a while and I met my wife Estelle who was studying

[0:20:09] Voice 10: her master's of environment degree in Canada but she was from France and she chose ecological

[0:20:15] Voice 10: building in North America to be the thesis of her master's degree so I wound up studying alongside

[0:20:21] Voice 10: alongside her well ever since ecological building and we wound up living in France for six years

[0:20:27] Voice 10: where we worked in that field and I learned a lot about things that are happening other parts of the

[0:20:34] Voice 10: world and and different cultures and we chose to move back to Salt Spring in 2012 to start our

[0:20:41] Voice 10: family because it's such a great place to grow up and I was shocked to see there was no housing

[0:20:47] Voice 10: starts. I wanted to work as a carpenter at the time except for the library that was being built

[0:20:51] Voice 10: by off-island labor and off-island materials and while the carpenters on Salt Spring were

[0:20:56] Voice 10: unemployed because of the housing, well the economic crash that happened in 2008

[0:21:01] Voice 10: lag and I wound up taking on the Salt Spring Water Company for my friend and so I've been

[0:21:08] Voice 10: working ever since then in delivering bulk water and bottled water to storage tanks to people on

[0:21:15] Voice 10: on Salt Spring, so I understand water on Salt Spring

[0:21:17] Voice 10: really well, as well as building and kind of,

[0:21:21] Voice 10: I would say the, you know, in a way the inside

[0:21:24] Voice 10: of the old school families and the working class folk here.

[0:21:30] Voice 10: And I started getting involved in local politics

[0:21:33] Voice 10: around the referendum, the incorporation referendum,

[0:21:36] Voice 10: when I was surprised by how divisive the debate was

[0:21:38] Voice 10: and post-referend result, I decided to really get involved

[0:21:42] Voice 10: to try to make a difference with the system that we have and the people that we have trying and

[0:21:47] Voice 10: and that and i chose uh housing as a place to focus because it's the intersection of

[0:21:52] Voice 10: social justice water ecological building and community planning so yeah i'm really committed

[0:22:01] Voice 10: to making a difference to to helping salt spring be an example of how we can live sustainably

[0:22:07] Voice 10: and balance the need the economic needs and the ecological needs and the needs of a healthy

[0:22:12] Voice 10: community. I'm pleased to be here and hoping to put the action into this project. Thank you.

[0:22:21] Voice 10: Thank

[0:22:21] Voice 16: you. Carrie?

[0:22:26] Voice 14: Hi, everyone. Yeah, very pleased to be here. And nice to see some new faces and also

[0:22:32] Voice 14: some familiar faces. I've been on the island since 2017. And I live in a three generational

[0:22:39] Voice 14: household here with grandparents, myself and my son, who's eight years old. And for my work,

[0:22:47] Voice 14: I've been doing research for over a decade on the effects of the environment on children's

[0:22:53] Voice 14: development and well-being. I generally mostly work with international agencies and governments

[0:22:58] Voice 14: to provide technical support in the design and evaluation of programs and policies for

[0:23:04] Voice 14: for families and children and so that's why I kind of come to the table with that interest. I think

[0:23:11] Voice 14: the impact of housing on salt spring housing crises in more general tend to focus on adult

[0:23:16] Voice 14: concerns and children sometimes tend to be those silent victims. We don't often hear about the

[0:23:23] Voice 14: impact of housing on children's well-being and their lives and the evidence shows and I think

[0:23:30] Voice 14: all of us here intuitively know that stable safe and affordable housing is fundamental for

[0:23:36] Voice 14: children's well-being for our communities sustainability and longer-term well-being so

[0:23:42] Voice 14: yeah i'm very humbled to be here and i'm looking forward to sharing ideas and learning from each

[0:23:46] Voice 14: other and hopefully coming up with some actionable you know evidence-based solutions for the short

[0:23:53] Voice 14: short-term, and long-term.

[0:23:55] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:23:57] Voice 16: Thanks.

[0:23:58] Voice 16: Bryce?

[0:24:04] Voice 5: Hi there.

[0:24:05] Voice 5: Can you hear me?

[0:24:06] Voice 16: Yes.

[0:24:07] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:24:08] Voice 5: Hi.

[0:24:08] Voice 5: Bryce Chapman.

[0:24:09] Voice 5: I've owned on Salt Spring for 20 years.

[0:24:11] Voice 5: I've lived here for 13.

[0:24:13] Voice 5: My history is in property management.

[0:24:16] Voice 5: I've managed projects all across Canada for 45 years,

[0:24:19] Voice 5: tens of thousands of units.

[0:24:21] Voice 5: So I'm a bit of an expert when it comes to housing with people.

[0:24:25] Voice 5: people. I have got interest in this thanks to Ronan. He kind of prompted me the right way.

[0:24:32] Voice 5: And Mayor, I've met before. I don't know if he remembers me, but I am so impressed by the stuff

[0:24:36] Voice 5: that you do. My theory is very simple. People are doing things right somewhere. Find where they're

[0:24:44] Voice 5: doing things right and copy them. I especially love like Ronan, France, where they have developed

[0:24:50] Voice 5: a beautiful rural environment where you have a small village,

[0:24:54] Voice 5: rural land, managed forest, rural land, and a small village.

[0:24:58] Voice 5: I think that's a great concept to copy on this island,

[0:25:02] Voice 5: and I'm very thankful that we have such a great crew here

[0:25:05] Voice 5: to work forward on this.

[0:25:07] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:25:08] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:25:10] Voice 16: So now we move on to the next item,

[0:25:13] Voice 16: which is to appoint chair and vice chair.

[0:25:17] Voice 1: Is that Ms. Daniel?

[0:25:18] Voice 1: Louisa, I think we're missing Daniel Wood.

[0:25:21] Voice 16: Oh, I'm sorry.

[0:25:22] Voice 16: I didn't see you.

[0:25:23] Voice 16: If you can leave your monitor on, that will be appreciated because you're an appointed official and you're at a planning commission meeting.

[0:25:33] Voice 16: Yeah, hello.

[0:25:35] Voice 17: I hope you can hear me.

[0:25:36] Voice 17: Normally, I'll be on with you, but today, unfortunately, I'm having fun with Zoom app on my phone.

[0:25:44] Voice 17: Hello, everyone.

[0:25:45] Voice 17: I hope you can hear me.

[0:25:46] Voice 17: Yeah.

[0:25:46] Voice 10: And

[0:25:47] Voice 17: anyways, I'm Daniel from the Cheese Company and actually Road Housing because I've really felt in the last few years in particular, we're really feeling the impact of, I mean, I think it's paradoxical, the crisis now in terms of finding people to work in businesses on the island.

[0:26:09] Voice 17: So that's why I'm here.

[0:26:12] Voice 17: And thanks so much to everyone else.

[0:26:14] Voice 17: I'm looking forward to working with you all.

[0:26:16] Voice 17: Thank

[0:26:17] Voice 16: you. I hope I got everybody now. Anyone got a chance? Okay. Well, welcome. And yes,

[0:26:25] Voice 16: move on to election of chair. And you cannot nominate yourself, but feel free to make a

[0:26:32] Voice 16: nomination. I know it's challenging when you just met, but I think some people have some history

[0:26:41] Voice 16: with some members?

[0:26:45] Voice 5: It's Bryce

[0:26:46] Voice 5: talking now. I would nominate

[0:26:48] Voice 5: Ronan. Okay.

[0:26:52] Voice 3: I would second that nomination.

[0:26:57] Voice 16: Okay, thank you.

[0:26:58] Voice 16: Any other nomination

[0:26:59] Voice 16: for chair? Anyone

[0:27:05] Voice 16: want to nominate your peer?

[0:27:11] Voice 16: Okay.

[0:27:12] Voice 10: Perhaps could I

[0:27:14] Voice 10: offer a nomination for Stanley?

[0:27:17] Voice 16: Okay.

[0:27:19] Voice 16: Anyone second that?

[0:27:23] Voice 18: Your population, Ronan,

[0:27:25] Voice 18: you're you're the man you cannot get rid of the post so

[0:27:33] Voice 16: um so last call anyone second this

[0:27:37] Voice 16: second nomination bryce

[0:27:42] Voice 5: i will okay

[0:27:46] Voice 3: i think i will decline in favor of the earlier nominee

[0:27:49] Voice 3: in fact i know i will decline in favor of the earlier nominee okay

[0:27:55] Voice 16: are there any other

[0:27:57] Voice 16: nomination for chair i'd

[0:27:59] Voice 6: like to nominate uh carrie if i may please okay

[0:28:03] Voice 16: anyone second that

[0:28:05] Voice 6: I'll second that.

[0:28:07] Voice 16: Okay so we have two nominations and Rob our technical support who is really good in setting

[0:28:15] Voice 16: up a secret ballot I don't know how he did it and Danelle I probably point out I did something

[0:28:20] Voice 16: wrong again.

[0:28:21] Voice 2: No nothing wrong Louisa but I would like to confirm with Ronan and Kerry that they accept

[0:28:27] Voice 2: the nomination we have had a nomination and it's seconded but I did not hear that they

[0:28:32] Voice 2: uh confirmed that they accept the nomination so.

[0:28:35] Voice 16: Ronan, did you accept your nomination?

[0:28:40] Voice 10: I don't really want to, but I guess I will.

[0:28:43] Voice 10: I'll take it on.

[0:28:46] Voice 10: Preferred vice chair if there's possible.

[0:28:48] Voice 10: You do

[0:28:49] Voice 16: have a 50% chance.

[0:28:51] Voice 10: If Carrie's up for being the main chair, I'd be happy with that.

[0:28:55] Voice 14: I'm in the same boat as you, Ronan, and I was going to say, can I nominate you?

[0:29:00] Voice 16: 50-50%.

[0:29:01] Voice 16: Do you want to leave it to the vote?

[0:29:04] Voice 10: Sure.

[0:29:04] Voice 10: and

[0:29:06] Voice 16: Kerry yeah sure okay so Rob is going to set you up

[0:29:13] Voice 7: watching polling uh I'm not sure how Bryce will be able to participate because I've never done

[0:29:19] Voice 7: this polling with a telephone participant should see choice of chairperson in progress

[0:29:28] Voice 7: it is anonymous staff will not be voting

[0:30:09] Voice 7: I see eight votes, which has me concerned that Bryce and Daniel might have difficulty voting.

[0:30:15] Voice 7: If they could maybe just come off mute and not state who you're voting for, but just whether you're able to vote, that would be helpful.

[0:30:22] Voice 17: Hi, Rob. I'm Daniel here. I was able to vote.

[0:30:25] Voice 5: Okay. Thank you.

[0:30:26] Voice 5: No, I'm having challenges here. Sorry.

[0:30:28] Voice 5: All right.

[0:30:29] Voice 5: But I nominated Ronan, so I'm not afraid to say that that's who I'm voting for.

[0:30:34] Voice 7: All right.

[0:30:37] Voice 7: and um so it's been uh timing wise a minute and a half which i feel anyone who is uh

[0:30:47] Voice 7: wanting to vote should be able to vote i'm going to end the vote

[0:30:53] Voice 7: and share the results and we can see that ronan has been uh elected as chair

[0:31:02] Voice 16: congratulations

[0:31:03] Voice 16: Congratulations. Okay. We're on to vice chair. Any nomination?

[0:31:11] Voice 18: I will nominate Karen.

[0:31:14] Voice 16: Second?

[0:31:15] Voice 16: I'll second that.

[0:31:17] Voice 16: I'm third in that, if that's a thing.

[0:31:20] Voice 16: Yes, I'm fine with that.

[0:31:22] Voice 16: So any other nomination? Anyone want to nominate vice chair? Last time, anyone want to consider your peer to be the vice chair?

[0:31:46] Voice 16: I'll nominate Nishma.

[0:31:47] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:31:50] Voice 16: Any second? Anyone second that?

[0:31:57] Voice 6: I can second that.

[0:32:00] Voice 16: Okay. So we have two.

[0:32:03] Voice 14: Could I nominate Daniel?

[0:32:06] Voice 16: Okay. Anyone second that?

[0:32:13] Voice 10: I'll second that if I can.

[0:32:16] Voice 16: So we have three. Any other nomination for Vice Chair?

[0:32:25] Voice 17: Sorry, Daniel here. My only hesitation, I would love to, but I'm afraid I think I have to decline.

[0:32:32] Voice 17: I'm not sure it would be feasible for me, but thank you.

[0:32:38] Voice 16: And that just reminded me,

[0:32:39] Voice 16: I need to ask Nashmore if you accept the nomination.

[0:32:44] Voice 11: I do accept the nomination, thank you.

[0:32:47] Voice 11: And I nominate a mayor as well

[0:32:50] Voice 11: because of his experience and passion as well, so.

[0:32:56] Voice 16: So that's a new nomination, is that a new one?

[0:33:00] Voice 16: Did I miss something?

[0:33:04] Voice 16: We need a second.

[0:33:06] Voice 10: I'll second the nomination.

[0:33:07] Voice 16: Okay.

[0:33:11] Voice 16: And are you going to accept that?

[0:33:15] Voice 16: Yeah.

[0:33:15] Voice 16: Okay.

[0:33:16] Voice 16: And Carrie, I assume you accept it, but I should ask you.

[0:33:21] Voice 14: Okay, I accept it.

[0:33:23] Voice 16: Okay.

[0:33:24] Voice 16: So we have three.

[0:33:26] Voice 16: And Rob, are you going to perform your magic work?

[0:33:31] Voice 7: Yep.

[0:33:32] Voice 7: If we're ready, I'll see what I can do.

[0:33:34] Voice 7: Pull number two.

[0:33:38] Voice 7: It is now launched.

[0:33:45] Voice 7: We are in a situation where I either need to know who Bryce is voting for, or we run a second ballot.

[0:34:30] Voice 5: Because I'm having challenges, I'll just abstain.

[0:34:33] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:34:36] Voice 7: We've resulted in a tie, and it is a tie between Najma and Kerry.

[0:34:43] Voice 7: So I'll be running a second poll.

[0:34:47] Voice 7: I will share the results so you can see.

[0:34:49] Voice 7: And I will update the poll to allow that to be addressed.

[0:35:03] Voice 7: Whoa, where'd it go?

[0:35:05] Voice 7: Hold on, folks.

[0:35:10] Voice 7: There we go.

[0:35:11] Voice 7: It is now launched.

[0:35:47] Voice 7: We have all the nine.

[0:36:10] Voice 7: I am assuming Bryce will abstain again due to technical difficulties.

[0:36:14] Voice 7: And I shall end the polling.

[0:36:18] Voice 7: Carrie is successful.

[0:36:20] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:36:23] Voice 16: congratulations uh so uh chair and vice chair if it is okay with you uh i will offer to run

[0:36:32] Voice 16: the agenda today until you get your separate orientation yeah

[0:36:39] Voice 10: that's perfectly fine with me

[0:36:40] Voice 10: thank you

[0:36:41] Voice 16: okay uh so the next item is uh the mandatory orientation and i'm gonna hand it

[0:36:50] Voice 16: over to daniela well

[0:36:56] Voice 2: good afternoon everybody and uh it's it's wonderful to see and hear uh

[0:37:02] Voice 2: see all the participants and uh and hear your backgrounds and yeah i agree it's a lovely diverse

[0:37:08] Voice 2: background which should make this task force really uh quite an interesting process um

[0:37:15] Voice 2: i'm here today to um go over some some uh uh what do i want to call it how we're going to run the

[0:37:24] Voice 2: task force and uh some meeting uh rules guidelines some legislation and uh some housekeeping the

[0:37:35] Voice 2: session outline is going to deal with task force business over your roles meeting procedures we're

[0:37:43] Voice 2: going to touch on administrative fairness conflict of interest and the freedom of information and

[0:37:49] Voice 2: Protection of Privacy Act. Meeting timeline. We have reserved meeting dates scheduled for every

[0:37:59] Voice 2: Thursday, 1pm, third Thursday of the month, 1pm. The agenda will be emailed to you a minimum of

[0:38:07] Voice 2: five days before the meeting for your review. Meeting protocol. A meeting allows for all

[0:38:18] Voice 2: members to contribute in a formal structured way with staff present staff

[0:38:24] Voice 2: support and a minute taker is present to document that that conversation that

[0:38:29] Voice 2: discussion and highlight those key points in addition to having minutes the

[0:38:37] Voice 2: the the meeting will be live streamed for public and community transparency

[0:38:44] Voice 2: transparency and to ensure that you know we we are relaying this conversation to the broader groups

[0:38:57] Voice 2: meeting and meetings and discussions need to meet quorum in general if if we did not meet

[0:39:06] Voice 2: quorum today we would not be we would not be continuing with this agenda bottom line is that

[0:39:13] Voice 2: meetings and discussions that meet quorum and they are anything that is conducted outside of

[0:39:19] Voice 2: a scheduled advertised meeting and it could be meetings in person it could be meetings via

[0:39:25] Voice 2: telephone or email they are not permitted and the reason being is that matters are best discussed

[0:39:33] Voice 2: within a scheduled meeting for the benefit of all members and of this group as well as the

[0:39:39] Voice 2: the community for transparency. And just what I want the takeaway to be about this is that you

[0:39:47] Voice 2: need to consider what needs to be said with all members present. If you are only continuing a

[0:39:52] Voice 2: conversation with a fraction of your group, that leaves the other members out. Okay. That being

[0:40:00] Voice 2: said, I know that we have very active community members, people with a lot of great ideas that

[0:40:06] Voice 2: they're itching to to get to work and uh it is it is a a known fact that you may get together

[0:40:16] Voice 2: as long as you do not meet quorum and that is the that is the key quorum is 50 of your group

[0:40:27] Voice 2: discussion needs to be disclosed to all members at the following meeting so whatever is you are

[0:40:33] Voice 2: discussing needs to be brought forward that way the minute taker has a record of it

[0:40:37] Voice 2: and your members are all apprised and we ask that unscheduled meetings do not occur regularly

[0:40:43] Voice 2: this is why we have a schedule in place for you the task force has a bylaw and a terms of reference

[0:40:54] Voice 2: the land use bylaw and the ocp are also those guiding documents that are going to assist you

[0:41:00] Voice 2: with your recommendations and your deliberations and your discussion we ask that the task force

[0:41:06] Voice 2: also consider impacts and the benefits of the ideas of the project for the community as a whole

[0:41:12] Voice 2: and not just specific groups. The public is watching us and they are very interested in this

[0:41:23] Voice 2: group as we get off the ground. But they have their own role at the meeting. And the point is

[0:41:32] Voice 2: that the task force members have been appointed because of your expertise

[0:41:35] Voice 2: expertise, and your experience, your knowledge, what you bring to the table.

[0:41:43] Voice 2: And you are appointed. You wear that special hat. The public is certainly invited to view,

[0:41:50] Voice 2: as they may be doing today. And if we were live in-person meetings, they would be welcome to

[0:41:57] Voice 2: attend. They can speak at the invitation of the chair. But the proper forum for the public's

[0:42:04] Voice 2: voices through the local trust committee. The local trust committee is the decision maker in

[0:42:10] Voice 2: this equation. And if they have opinions, concerns, viewpoints that they want to share, it is to the

[0:42:17] Voice 2: elected politicians. That being said, the public is also encouraged to voice their concerns and

[0:42:23] Voice 2: comments through LTC sponsored community events, and there will be community outreach with this

[0:42:30] Voice 2: project. Meeting attendance, your attendance is imperative to the success

[0:42:37] Voice 2: of this project. If you are not able to attend a meeting please notify the

[0:42:45] Voice 2: office because if there is no quorum there is no meeting and just a note that

[0:42:52] Voice 2: chronic absenteeism may lead to the removal of from your position of that on

[0:42:59] Voice 2: on the task force. The discussion process. Everybody comes to the table with a set of

[0:43:10] Voice 2: values, experience, viewpoints, and that is fine. And that is to be expected. But we ask that you

[0:43:19] Voice 2: come to the table with an open mind and refrain from having a predetermined solution. Be open to

[0:43:26] Voice 2: conversation um and really honor other people's uh perspectives and their expertise um the next

[0:43:39] Voice 2: few slides are about robert's rules and motions and uh you know very high level uh take it for

[0:43:46] Voice 2: what it's worth um my understanding is that through the course of this task force a recommendation

[0:43:52] Voice 2: will come towards the end of this of this segment of of your work but it's just some

[0:44:00] Voice 2: just some guiding rules about what discussion can be like and if motions are to be brought forward

[0:44:10] Voice 2: why do we have motions motions are allowed for recommendations to be formulated and it's your

[0:44:17] Voice 2: way of communicating to the local trust committee and it's a it's a way for the minute taker to

[0:44:23] Voice 2: document your your wishes your recommendations your thoughts uh we ask that motions be phrased

[0:44:29] Voice 2: in a clear concise manner so that you that opinion and result is uh communicated

[0:44:36] Voice 2: motions need to be moved and seconded some of the rules of debate you know discussion is going to

[0:44:44] Voice 2: to it's going to be the bread and butter of this task force so if there is um if there is a motion

[0:44:50] Voice 2: on the table the mover of the motion has the right to speak to it first the mover may speak to the

[0:44:57] Voice 2: motion a second time pardon me after other members have had a chance to speak to it a first time

[0:45:03] Voice 2: and the chair can alternate between proponents uh and opponents of uh if the if the debate is

[0:45:11] Voice 2: lengthy or contentious if there is an amendment the amendment needs to be relevant to that that

[0:45:21] Voice 2: original motion cannot be contrary it also requires a mover and a seconder and the debate

[0:45:29] Voice 2: needs to be focused on to that amendment in that motion and the chair the chair has an important

[0:45:37] Voice 2: important role here, making sure that everybody is heard. Voting. Each member has one vote.

[0:45:45] Voice 2: The chair votes at the same time as everybody else. In the case of a tie vote, the question

[0:45:52] Voice 2: is defeated. An abstention from voting on a motion is equal to a yes vote. The vote count

[0:46:01] Voice 2: is not recorded, only the result of the vote. So whether it was carried or defeated. However,

[0:46:08] Voice 2: However, a member can request to record a contrary vote.

[0:46:16] Voice 2: Minutes.

[0:46:17] Voice 2: How do we document what is being said at these meetings?

[0:46:21] Voice 2: The minutes are the formal public record.

[0:46:23] Voice 2: It's what we save for our documentation and what we relay to the local trust committee for their information.

[0:46:34] Voice 2: We record the resolutions, what your thought process is and discussion.

[0:46:42] Voice 2: declaration of, and also a declaration of conflict of interest. The minutes are going to look a

[0:46:50] Voice 2: little bit like how we style them for the Advisory Planning Commission in general. Again, we're

[0:46:57] Voice 2: documenting decisions and key points, those ideas, arguments, back and forth, questions, concerns,

[0:47:05] Voice 2: and, but at the end of the day, nothing is attributed to one person. The task force is

[0:47:12] Voice 2: is acting as a body. Now just the workflow draft minutes are provided to the LTC for information

[0:47:23] Voice 2: as I mentioned just now. Proposed amendments if you have concerns about the minutes

[0:47:30] Voice 2: bring them forward to at the at a next task force meeting

[0:47:35] Voice 2: and draft minutes are provided to you in your next agenda package. We're going to just talk

[0:47:46] Voice 2: a couple of slides about the impartiality rule and the lack of bias. And like I said, again,

[0:47:52] Voice 2: everybody comes to the table with a set of values and ideas. But the thing is, we need to make sure

[0:47:58] Voice 2: that folks are coming to the table free of conflicts of interest and that they're free of

[0:48:04] Voice 2: bias in order to make sure that our decisions are fair. What are some definitions of bias?

[0:48:12] Voice 2: a predisposition or prejudice, a tendency to believe that some people, ideas, etc. are better

[0:48:19] Voice 2: than others, to be one-sided, lacking a neutral viewpoint, or not having an open mind.

[0:48:31] Voice 2: Task force members should be free of actual or even apparent bias, and this may include

[0:48:37] Voice 2: considering whether you have a bias about a recommendation, avoid making or implying

[0:48:44] Voice 2: advance commitments about the outcome of a recommendation. Avoid implying that greater

[0:48:51] Voice 2: consideration will be given to comments or advice of any individual or groups. So no favoritism.

[0:49:04] Voice 2: Ultimately, task force members must not have personal interests that prevent them or appear

[0:49:10] Voice 2: to prevent them from performing their duties impartially. And we're going to discuss now

[0:49:20] Voice 2: conflict of interest. I mean, we've heard about it, we've seen examples, you know, in politics

[0:49:25] Voice 2: over the years, but it can affect even groups such as this. What is a conflict of interest?

[0:49:34] Voice 2: A conflict of interest may exist when an individual has a personal, financial, or even a non-financial

[0:49:41] Voice 2: interest in a particular matter that has been referred to the task force. In our APC bylaw,

[0:49:52] Voice 2: The task, which applies to task force members, it states that the LTC may terminate the appointment of any commission member, including a task force member, who fails to declare a conflict of interest prior to a vote being taken during a meeting.

[0:50:08] Voice 2: What are some examples of a conflict of interest?

[0:50:16] Voice 2: Relationships, such as employer-employee, business, professional client, contractual, or family.

[0:50:29] Voice 2: Business or land interest, conflict of interest could include lawsuits, memberships in local groups, particularly if you were involved in making a recommendation concerning this local group.

[0:50:42] Voice 2: And again, we all know that we live in a small community. We're involved in community organizations, profit or non-profit. For the benefit of this community, we wear a lot of hats. And sometimes you may have to step down from this role because you're wearing a lot of those hats. And we understand that.

[0:51:06] Voice 2: And if you need clarification, please reach out to staff.

[0:51:13] Voice 2: Real or perceived, it doesn't matter if it exists or it appears to exist.

[0:51:19] Voice 2: In the eyes of a reasonable observer, real or perceived means that if there's a question, then that needs to be examined.

[0:51:30] Voice 2: And again, it's worth having a conversation.

[0:51:36] Voice 2: but ultimately um there is there is a process for uh for examining whether there is a real or

[0:51:47] Voice 2: perceived conflict of interest and there is support there how do you declare a conflict

[0:51:53] Voice 2: of interest if you've determined that uh there is a perceived or a confirmed conflict of interest

[0:52:00] Voice 2: there is a declaration that needs to be made and a general nature of why of why so after making

[0:52:10] Voice 2: a said declaration and i realized that we live in a virtual world at the moment uh but you would not

[0:52:16] Voice 2: be able to remain as a part of that meeting where the meeting is being discussed so uh our tech our

[0:52:24] Voice 2: technical help in this case rob would have to make sure that you are not on the roster as part of the

[0:52:30] Voice 2: the meeting. You would not be able to continue taking part in that discussion, nor vote in that

[0:52:38] Voice 2: recommendation to the local trust committee. And by removing yourself, you are removing any

[0:52:45] Voice 2: influence that you may have, even by being present for the voting on the matter. And it's the chair's

[0:52:53] Voice 2: job to make sure that the declaration is then followed up by these actions of removal from the

[0:53:01] Voice 2: the situation. Okay. We have a standards of conduct, which applies to all appointed officials,

[0:53:10] Voice 2: volunteers, as well as our elected politicians. Task force members are encouraged to communicate

[0:53:18] Voice 2: with the public on this. However, we encourage a real listening role. And that debate occurred

[0:53:27] Voice 2: her during the confines of this meeting, where you have quorum, staff, and a minute taker present.

[0:53:37] Voice 2: Section 2, you must speak in the voice of the task force, but not on behalf of the task force. And I

[0:53:45] Voice 2: hope that that is clear. It's very easy to have your point of view and opinion. But we ask that

[0:53:55] Voice 2: you refrain from that again the task force you know there's 12 appointees you are working together

[0:54:02] Voice 2: and you are acting as one and you can debate with it within yourselves during each meeting

[0:54:08] Voice 2: but ultimately you come together and form a resolution um be cognizant of the comments

[0:54:16] Voice 2: uh made to the public and on social media a lot of people today are on social media

[0:54:21] Voice 2: platforms. And I would ask that you think about what you are posting and is it on behalf of the

[0:54:30] Voice 2: task force? How would this be viewed? And what effect would that have on the work of not just

[0:54:38] Voice 2: yourself, but of your fellow members? And again, misconduct could lead to the removal of the task

[0:54:47] Voice 2: task force. We do stress, you know, fairness, we are local government, we want to be transparent

[0:54:58] Voice 2: and open and fair. And it's essential for us to make good, fair and informed recommendations

[0:55:05] Voice 2: about these important matters. Community perception is paramount, and trust as well.

[0:55:11] Voice 2: And we need to make sure that that all those boxes are ticked when it comes to making sure that

[0:55:18] Voice 2: that transparent and open governance is achieved.

[0:55:25] Voice 2: Upholding fairness and transparency, again, it's not just your work,

[0:55:32] Voice 2: but then your work is then forwarded to the local trust committee

[0:55:34] Voice 2: and is part of their open agenda package.

[0:55:39] Voice 2: Maintaining fairness and avoids complaints, legal claims, concerns down the road.

[0:55:50] Voice 2: What are some more benefits to our APC members? Community members, the community perception is

[0:55:58] Voice 2: that advisory groups operate in a fair manner and that's not just for this group but all of

[0:56:03] Voice 2: our groups. Ability to demonstrate an understanding of transparency and fairness and I think this is a

[0:56:12] Voice 2: a duplicate slide. But there you go. We're going to move on to the Freedom of Information and

[0:56:20] Voice 2: Protection of Privacy Act. It is an act that came into effect in 1994. What is it? People can ask

[0:56:31] Voice 2: for records. The public can ask for access to government records. That is within the Islands

[0:56:37] Voice 2: Islands Trust, Custody and Control. And we are one of those public bodies that is subject to

[0:56:44] Voice 2: this act. What is the purpose? We're made more accountable to the public. It gives access to

[0:56:50] Voice 2: records. We protect personal privacy. And we allow folks to correct personal information about

[0:56:58] Voice 2: themselves. And it allows us to prevent unauthorized collection and disclosure of

[0:57:04] Voice 2: that personal information. Rights of access. I get requests all the time. People would like to

[0:57:14] Voice 2: know certain things and records. I have to respond to them with those appropriate records.

[0:57:22] Voice 2: There are some limitations. I have 30 business days to fulfill a request.

[0:57:28] Voice 2: request. But I would like to also say the request for records can also extend to someone's personal

[0:57:39] Voice 2: email. And what does that mean? If you have generated records outside of what has been

[0:57:46] Voice 2: provided to you or that you have submitted to the Islands Trust, there could be a request for that.

[0:57:52] Voice 2: You are wearing that special hat. You have been appointed to this task force. And therefore,

[0:57:57] Voice 2: for this act extends to you as well what happens i've had the question before what happens if you

[0:58:07] Voice 2: receive a request for records that includes you staff will work with you staff will guide you

[0:58:14] Voice 2: every step of the way and we will make sure and the request would not be for everything in your

[0:58:21] Voice 2: personal email, it would be specific to Housing Action Program Task Force records, okay? And again,

[0:58:31] Voice 2: this is merely an awareness, all right? What is the definition of a record? Documents, books,

[0:58:40] Voice 2: maps, drawings, photographs, memos, handwritten notes, email, electronic records, and also social

[0:58:47] Voice 2: social media. It's a very comprehensive act. And Carmen Teal is the legislative services manager.

[0:58:57] Voice 2: She's the FOI head. And I am the FOI clerk for the office. And again, if a request comes through,

[0:59:06] Voice 2: we're here to support the Housing Action Program Task Force every step of the way.

[0:59:17] Voice 2: Now I know that Planner Garbo wanted to speak to this particular slide, but there are some

[0:59:22] Voice 2: resource limitations concerning staff. We have only a set amount of time. I know Planner Garbo's

[0:59:29] Voice 2: plate is quite full, but questions and relevant materials bring them to the meeting,

[0:59:38] Voice 2: and staff capacity is limited towards individual requests for mapping and data collecting.

[0:59:46] Voice 2: reviewing a lot of material and or for uh requests for meetings outside of the task force

[0:59:53] Voice 2: i don't know louisa if you had anything to add to that uh

[0:59:57] Voice 16: actually supposed to be my manager

[1:00:00] Voice 16: no he's not available but i want to basically just point out that i even prior to the uh this

[1:00:09] Voice 16: first meeting there has been a lot of uh requests for us we receive a lot of email messages saying

[1:00:18] Voice 16: you should read this you should read that it create a volume of work for us and some of them

[1:00:23] Voice 16: it's even not relevant, not germane to the program.

[1:00:27] Voice 16: So it's a lot for us, not only it's on record,

[1:00:31] Voice 16: and we also have very limited ability to scan through so many records.

[1:00:38] Voice 16: But I want to go back to, but before I go, I just want to go from this slide.

[1:00:44] Voice 16: I just wanted to point out that we do our best to answer questions and to provide support.

[1:00:51] Voice 16: support. It's just a big cognizant of the limited resource we have. I'll give you an example in a

[1:00:57] Voice 16: different task force. It was a document that we had to come through, and it was a very old document

[1:01:04] Voice 16: that we were asked to come through. And the resource that it took and the time it took,

[1:01:10] Voice 16: and it was just two minutes, it was done. They just kind of, yeah, okay, thank you. And that's

[1:01:16] Voice 16: not the best use of staff resource. We work in the background constantly because to produce anything,

[1:01:25] Voice 16: any measurables, any actions, any area plans, a lot of work is on us. We still have to do the job

[1:01:32] Voice 16: even though we just meet with you guys once a month. So we appreciate if you're aware of the

[1:01:37] Voice 16: the workload we do have and especially Jordi and Christine they both process a lot of current

[1:01:47] Voice 16: applications and we have 105 percent this year of increase of applications so which means I have

[1:01:56] Voice 16: very little help as far as doing major projects. Now one thing I want to add on to the communication

[1:02:06] Voice 16: communication. I know it's it's sometimes it's difficult when you wear an appointed official hat

[1:02:13] Voice 16: on behalf of South Spring Island local sorry the task force because it's easier to just fire email

[1:02:22] Voice 16: messengers and share ideas and as you all know I did not stop the original chain of correspondences

[1:02:31] Voice 16: because I thought it would be great for you guys to get to know each other but it went on a little

[1:02:36] Voice 16: bit long and i eventually have to step in because technically you're not supposed to do that

[1:02:42] Voice 16: but that was before this official meeting i considered that you haven't started but there

[1:02:48] Voice 16: has been conversation started to talk about the logistics and the uh ideas and that has to happen

[1:02:56] Voice 16: in an open meeting so i want to explain that i really appreciate the passion and lots of ideas

[1:03:03] Voice 16: years because then it gave me hope that we're going to achieve something at the end of this

[1:03:07] Voice 16: term at the project term but just please be aware that when we send you information by email don't

[1:03:16] Voice 16: hit reply to all and you just reply to me or whoever the staff that send you the material

[1:03:24] Voice 16: that's a protocol and also one thing we do want to point out and this I think it's sort of a

[1:03:30] Voice 16: not just germane to salt spring island or even island trust is a very common

[1:03:38] Voice 16: situation for the lack of better word i don't want to call it problems a lot of the members

[1:03:43] Voice 16: they are very active in the community they have their own instagram they have their own blog

[1:03:49] Voice 16: prior to become appointed so suddenly having to shut down those communication is difficult for

[1:03:57] Voice 16: them and they feel it's infringing on their own personal uh expression uh but be cognizant that

[1:04:05] Voice 16: there are legal ramifications uh and and you heard in the news enough time uh be very careful with

[1:04:13] Voice 16: what we said on social media and instagram and uh we don't want to be on a uh liability position

[1:04:22] Voice 16: decision. I'm happy to defend your comment. So please be aware of that. Be very cognizant of

[1:04:27] Voice 16: what you said. And if you are not clear, there is a busy government site that actually talks about

[1:04:34] Voice 16: that. It's the law, it's legislation, and it's also protocol as an appointed officials. Anytime

[1:04:40] Voice 16: you're not sure certain things you do, whether you're violating any protocols, check with us.

[1:04:46] Voice 16: we're here

[1:04:47] Voice 16: to help you to make sure. So with that being said, thank you, Daniella. Any questions,

[1:04:54] Voice 16: Daniella, anything you want to add?

[1:04:57] Voice 1: I see Chair Heitzman. Oh, you're on mute still. Yeah.

[1:05:05] Voice 10: Hi. Thank you. Yeah, I had a couple of questions. One, is it possible to get a copy of the session

[1:05:13] Voice 10: outline that you just presented so that we can review in our own time? You bet.

[1:05:17] Voice 10: Okay. Thank you.

[1:05:21] Voice 10: uh as you know we we have there are a lot of people here that have a lot of ideas

[1:05:25] Voice 10: and if we're if our discussion is new to me that our discussion will be limited to

[1:05:30] Voice 10: two hours public meeting once a month um and so how else can we share information is it can we

[1:05:40] Voice 10: submit a letter to staff to include with the agenda package for the next meeting

[1:05:46] Voice 10: is that is that proper protocol uh

[1:05:51] Voice 16: chair yes that will be a preferred way of doing that

[1:05:55] Voice 16: uh but again it's up to you what you want to share with the rest of the task force uh like

[1:06:04] Voice 16: i said i've already seen a lot of material and so be cognizant of the volume that you guys are

[1:06:11] Voice 16: sharing uh but that will be a better way it's due through us you can send it to us and we can

[1:06:16] Voice 16: share that

[1:06:18] Voice 10: yes so so just to reply to that so for example you know if we're still just getting to

[1:06:24] Voice 10: know each other um and it it seems to me that would help us to um understand each other's point

[1:06:31] Voice 10: of view if you know i would like to hear the ideas of some of the other people and if we have to wait

[1:06:36] Voice 10: for the meeting we might not have time to fully express ourselves so if we could agree to if if

[1:06:41] Voice 10: people wanted to share ideas but that it'd be concise enough to maybe a two or three page maximum

[1:06:47] Voice 10: letter, for example. Would that be reasonable?

[1:06:52] Voice 16: Chair, I think that that's up to you. That's

[1:06:54] Voice 16: your suggestion and up to the members. And certainly that's another means. If you have

[1:07:00] Voice 16: documents you want to share with others because you don't want to take certain things out of

[1:07:04] Voice 16: context and you want people, perhaps if they have time to go through the rest of the documents,

[1:07:10] Voice 16: I would suggest you might want to, before you submit it to us, you might want to highlight

[1:07:17] Voice 16: certain things that you feel could be relevant to this program or something

[1:07:24] Voice 16: you want to discuss.

[1:07:27] Voice 10: Okay okay I think those are my questions for now.

[1:07:38] Voice 1: I see

[1:07:39] Voice 1: Stanley.

[1:07:40] Voice 3: Okay now I know this sounds like a great deal but being on the Advisory

[1:07:46] Voice 3: Planning Commission I can assure you that it does not interfere with the

[1:07:51] Voice 3: the efficient operation of the organization,

[1:07:56] Voice 3: quick guideline for a conflict of interest.

[1:07:59] Voice 3: If you even think you might have one, then in fact you do.

[1:08:03] Voice 3: And you just sort of abstain yourself,

[1:08:06] Voice 3: which is what I did when the Meadow Lane proposal came to the advisory

[1:08:10] Voice 3: planning commission.

[1:08:11] Voice 2: Yep. You are a shining example for sure.

[1:08:17] Voice 2: Yeah. No, I, I, a lot of people will do, I don't, I,

[1:08:22] Voice 2: and usually if you have to think about it,

[1:08:24] Voice 2: that little spidey sense goes up,

[1:08:26] Voice 2: then it's obviously worth talking about.

[1:08:32] Voice 2: And like I said,

[1:08:34] Voice 2: it's worth having a conversation with staff.

[1:08:36] Voice 2: We also, I've been advised that, you know,

[1:08:39] Voice 2: we can relay you up to management

[1:08:41] Voice 2: who certainly have dealt with a variety

[1:08:44] Voice 2: of conflict of interest scenarios,

[1:08:46] Voice 2: and they could also put you in touch with our legal team

[1:08:49] Voice 2: to determine if that is the case.

[1:08:51] Voice 2: usually it doesn't need to go quite that far ultimately it is up to the

[1:08:55] Voice 2: Commissioner to excuse themselves they have to make that determination it is

[1:09:00] Voice 2: not staff and it's not the chair it's it's up to the Commissioner individual

[1:09:10] Voice 1: thank you thank

[1:09:12] Voice 16: you Danila okay

[1:09:13] Voice 1: thank you everyone okay

[1:09:17] Voice 16: so we are going to

[1:09:19] Voice 16: to move to the approval of work plan and timeline.

[1:09:25] Voice 16: You have that in your packets,

[1:09:28] Voice 16: but I can share that on the screen.

[1:09:32] Voice 16: Oh, right here.

[1:09:38] Voice 16: Okay, are you able to see that well?

[1:09:43] Voice 16: That's the agenda before you.

[1:09:47] Voice 16: Anyone can see it?

[1:09:49] Voice 6: Yes.

[1:09:50] Voice 16: Okay, yes.

[1:09:52] Voice 16: Someone to tell me.

[1:09:54] Voice 16: Okay, so as part of the project charter,

[1:10:01] Voice 16: As you know, I listed quite a few items holistically to address the Housing Action Program.

[1:10:10] Voice 16: And under the terms of reference for the task force, at your initial meeting, you need to have a work plan.

[1:10:17] Voice 16: And so rather than having you draft a work plan, staff is providing that for you.

[1:10:23] Voice 16: We make it really open, really loose, so that you're not tied to any specific topic for a certain time.

[1:10:30] Voice 16: and so essentially we are wrapping up the first stage the you know the first one the target

[1:10:36] Voice 16: timeline to have the first meeting to have your orientation will be done in May so which is today

[1:10:42] Voice 16: and then the next stage is where we get into the work and you have about a year to explore a few

[1:10:51] Voice 16: things under the project charter. And so far, the most obvious one is we need to talk about

[1:11:00] Voice 16: the OCP amendment. That's actually what was identified in the project charter on elements

[1:11:07] Voice 16: that gave us more guideline on how to address housing issues, as well as policies to support

[1:11:14] Voice 16: for any innovative methods and approach

[1:11:18] Voice 16: and implementation measures.

[1:11:21] Voice 16: Potentially looking at amending,

[1:11:23] Voice 16: I shouldn't even say potential,

[1:11:24] Voice 16: we know we probably have to amend our land use by-law

[1:11:27] Voice 16: to make it happen.

[1:11:29] Voice 16: We potentially explore some pilot project

[1:11:33] Voice 16: and you will be part of engaging

[1:11:36] Voice 16: and help local planning services office

[1:11:41] Voice 16: on some of the public engagement activities so it's really broad and then

[1:11:48] Voice 16: those last two stages you are pretty much done those are pretty much the

[1:11:53] Voice 16: technical aspect for staff to go through with all the ideas and and via policies

[1:11:59] Voice 16: or development standards or anything regulatory requirements that you explore

[1:12:06] Voice 16: and you recommend, we put it in the OCP and the Land Use By-law, and it goes through the formal

[1:12:13] Voice 16: legal process, like it shows on the timeline. So at the tail end, you're pretty much done around

[1:12:20] Voice 16: here by the end of next year. We should have all of that discussions and exploration done,

[1:12:27] Voice 16: and with your recommendations, we start to take over the legal process. And then the OCP,

[1:12:34] Voice 16: land use bylaw ticket to the public outreach and for LTC blessing before we take it to the

[1:12:42] Voice 16: ministry and then take it back to LTC for adoption. So this is really just the basic timeline

[1:12:49] Voice 16: and we'd like you to accept this framework so that we get this item done and then you can move

[1:12:55] Voice 16: on to actually doing the uh the work the meat of the process any questions on the uh work plan

[1:13:09] Voice 16: again you're approving you're accepting it uh in concept thank you yes let's see

[1:13:17] Voice 16: i

[1:13:17] Voice 4: think um stanley had an idea that we should there's been many um housing studies done over

[1:13:25] Voice 4: over the last 15, 20 years and we're still

[1:13:30] Voice 4: in the same dilemma, things haven't improved.

[1:13:33] Voice 4: It would be, I would suggest that or endorse

[1:13:37] Voice 4: Stanley's suggestion that we look at why things

[1:13:43] Voice 4: haven't been resolved in former studies

[1:13:46] Voice 4: so that we don't go down the same path.

[1:13:48] Voice 4: I think sure.

[1:13:55] Voice 10: Yeah, I agree with Mir and I think the,

[1:14:00] Voice 10: the, and maybe Stanley could comment as well, the, it was, I think it was also about not

[1:14:09] Voice 10: only so much the studies, but also looking at, you know, projects, the difficulties that

[1:14:14] Voice 10: projects have had, and maybe one might include.

[1:14:20] Voice 3: Well, yes, that certainly was my intention.

[1:14:23] Voice 3: I was thinking more in terms of projects, some of which got completed way behind schedule,

[1:14:32] Voice 3: some of which had to be abandoned, and some of which are sort of living along.

[1:14:39] Voice 3: And I think that in turn, but again, these are usually large scale projects rather than

[1:14:48] Voice 3: in individual homes, but to the extent that we wish to look at those, see whether they're

[1:14:56] Voice 3: appropriate, that we can learn from examining what's happened.

[1:15:05] Voice 3: And of course, as all this goes on, I couldn't help but listen and think in terms of, there's

[1:15:12] Voice 3: a lot of attention that has to be paid to process.

[1:15:15] Voice 3: I think they trusted properly what they called this to our attention.

[1:15:20] Voice 3: But one also gets concerned with output, output in terms of if we can see smooth the way for people who come up with projects that I think would almost universally be considered desirable, but sometimes disappear into a kind of procedural abyss.

[1:15:44] Voice 3: So I'd like to see that be examined.

[1:15:51] Voice 11: Could I speak to that as well? Stanley, I

[1:15:56] Voice 11: absolutely agree with that as well and I think that it would be probably when we're exploring

[1:16:02] Voice 11: the OCP and we're looking at the land use bylaws as well in the first stages of Louisa's, or in

[1:16:09] Voice 11: the timeline, in the structured timeline that you just shared, that perhaps that would be a good

[1:16:13] Voice 11: time to explore uh where those projects did go um just kind of sideways i know i i don't know if

[1:16:23] Voice 11: there's certain ones i mean can we speak to specifics like that's okay right we don't have a

[1:16:28] Voice 11: um say yes

[1:16:30] Voice 3: i mean yeah

[1:16:31] Voice 11: exactly don't

[1:16:33] Voice 3: talk about project a and project b yeah

[1:16:35] Voice 11: exactly we need to

[1:16:36] Voice 11: look at details, that's what we're here for together, right? So yeah, I agree with Stanley

[1:16:43] Voice 11: and Ronan on that for sure. And Mir.

[1:16:47] Voice 4: I think it's important to distinguish that it's projects that

[1:16:50] Voice 4: have gone sideways and not made it to completion for a variety of reasons. And that's definitely

[1:16:55] Voice 4: worth studying, but also housing studies that have had multiple recommendations that haven't

[1:17:02] Voice 4: been executed and have been out of purview or whatever the reason is, we don't want to

[1:17:08] Voice 4: recommend things that can't be put into action.

[1:17:14] Voice 10: Excellent ideas. So is it possible to, within the

[1:17:19] Voice 10: work plan that's been presented, will we have an opportunity to have these kinds of discussions

[1:17:24] Voice 10: and engagements?

[1:17:25] Voice 16: So Chair, I really appreciate the comments I heard. I think it's exciting.

[1:17:30] Voice 16: From the staff perspective, as you know, the last thing we want is to write a whole bunch of documents and let them sit on the shelf.

[1:17:39] Voice 16: That's why we put the project charter and the work plan by design, to put it that way.

[1:17:45] Voice 16: It'll leave a lot of room for us to look at even what we put on amendment to OCP and amendment to land use by law.

[1:17:53] Voice 16: Those are actions.

[1:17:54] Voice 16: Those are not because you need to allow legally to do some things.

[1:17:58] Voice 16: things. So let's not write another plan, long drawn document to say we need to amend the OCP.

[1:18:06] Voice 16: Let's just do the OCP, fix it to enable certain things to happen, fix the land use regulations,

[1:18:12] Voice 16: open the door. And so that's why we'll put it exactly the way it is. What we have, the items

[1:18:18] Voice 16: we have in the work plan, it's really action items and measures for us to really help with

[1:18:26] Voice 16: with this housing crisis on their island.

[1:18:29] Voice 3: But with all due respect,

[1:18:31] Voice 3: the actions that should be taken

[1:18:33] Voice 3: should be based on the factual experience

[1:18:35] Voice 3: of what went right in the past and what went wrong.

[1:18:40] Voice 3: And you can only do it,

[1:18:42] Voice 3: you try to learn from your past mistakes.

[1:18:45] Voice 3: Future actions really can't be considered

[1:18:49] Voice 3: sort of independent and apart from your past experience.

[1:18:56] Voice 3: And I can't speak as to how an advisory or how a local trust committee bylaws should be modified

[1:19:03] Voice 3: without knowing what's happened and that might justify or might not justify such a modification.

[1:19:13] Voice 11: An interesting idea.

[1:19:16] Voice 11: I wonder if could we, so the chair can call on someone from the public to speak.

[1:19:23] Voice 11: So perhaps we could become enlightened about maybe somebody could speak to that for us.

[1:19:29] Voice 11: Some where perhaps they felt like the hurdles were with the OCP or, you know, I wonder that could also be another way to get there.

[1:19:38] Voice 11: But I think I think going through the OCP, we're going to. Yes, Louisa.

[1:19:45] Voice 16: I'm sorry. I just know the chair that I will be the next speaker.

[1:19:48] Voice 16: Yes. Yes.

[1:19:49] Voice 16: Please, Louisa.

[1:19:50] Voice 10: so

[1:19:52] Voice 16: uh there are certain decorum and we will give the chair and vice chair the training

[1:19:57] Voice 16: uh i will be very careful to just open to the public because your role is to discuss among

[1:20:04] Voice 16: yourselves and you brainstorm and you identify issues we do have a public engagement plan that

[1:20:12] Voice 16: would put together was adopted by the local trust committee i encourage you to review that

[1:20:17] Voice 16: I can send it to you as an attachment the plan is to implement the framework and the framework

[1:20:24] Voice 16: identify the core value of islands trust public engagement process so we are on track and totally

[1:20:33] Voice 16: agree with you I think sometimes in my past experience and at 20 years in both long-range

[1:20:41] Voice 16: and current planning and management experience I can tell you it's a lack of community input

[1:20:46] Voice 16: where some of the projects fail.

[1:20:48] Voice 16: And sometimes you will always get opponents

[1:20:52] Voice 16: and that's just the nature of things.

[1:20:54] Voice 16: But it's nothing like you making sure

[1:20:56] Voice 16: that they're part of the process, they've been heard.

[1:21:01] Voice 16: Even though sometimes some of the ideas cannot materialize,

[1:21:05] Voice 16: at least they feel they are part of the process.

[1:21:08] Voice 16: So rest assured this is very important to us

[1:21:10] Voice 16: and we encourage you to read it because we want your input.

[1:21:14] Voice 16: if you feel we don't have enough of that you feel like maybe you have some other idea because it's

[1:21:20] Voice 16: your community you want to make sure we don't miss out on certain group by all means make the

[1:21:25] Voice 16: suggestions which is at the beginning of this process so there are lots of time for us to really

[1:21:30] Voice 16: you know pan out what to do one thing i do want to point out is right now we're only on item three

[1:21:36] Voice 16: and we're just asking you to approve the work planning concept so you can move forward

[1:21:41] Voice 16: and start talking about the work and the process.

[1:21:45] Voice 16: And item four is what we can tell you

[1:21:48] Voice 16: where we are at as up to date with this project.

[1:21:53] Voice 10: Thank you, Louisa.

[1:21:55] Voice 10: I just wanted to sort of reiterate

[1:21:58] Voice 10: that I think that the comments about,

[1:22:00] Voice 10: I think that we'll have an opportunity,

[1:22:02] Voice 10: it seems to me that we'll have an opportunity

[1:22:03] Voice 10: to address these points that we've just brought up

[1:22:07] Voice 10: about both about projects

[1:22:08] Voice 10: and how well they've succeeded or not.

[1:22:11] Voice 10: and also studies and why they haven't been implemented or not within this

[1:22:16] Voice 10: process there's a point that I wanted to ask about the work plan from the point

[1:22:23] Voice 10: of view of being one of the members of the housing working group that drafted

[1:22:27] Voice 10: the report that led to this housing action task force and that you know I

[1:22:35] Voice 10: was told all along that there would be an opportunity for the task force to be

[1:22:39] Voice 10: be able to identify things that could be done immediately, if possible, by the LTC and to

[1:22:47] Voice 10: have an opportunity to make recommendations to the LTC in parallel to the longer-term

[1:22:52] Voice 10: study of this task force.

[1:22:55] Voice 10: And that's reflected in the Housing Action Program Charter, the last point that says

[1:23:00] Voice 10: the LTC will prioritize actions as they are identified that support solutions to address

[1:23:06] Voice 10: urgent housing needs.

[1:23:09] Voice 10: And so my question is, will we have an opportunity to discuss that as a task force and to make recommendations to the LTC that they might be able to do in parallel within this work plan?

[1:23:24] Voice 16: Yes, very much so. And again, the work plan is just a formality. We want the task force to meet the terms of reference that you have a work plan.

[1:23:35] Voice 16: and anything within that one year that I identify it's all the things that you can explore and even

[1:23:43] Voice 16: for staff we have actually a couple of things idling we're ready to bring it to you for you

[1:23:49] Voice 16: to review and comment on it and again in item four I can explain the more into where we are at

[1:23:57] Voice 16: as of today but we will need you to make a motion to approve number three before we can move forward

[1:24:06] Voice 10: Okay. Does anyone else have any comments that they'd like to add about the work plan?

[1:24:13] Voice 13: I just think that in the future, I mean, we've tried looking at things that have gone on in the

[1:24:19] Voice 13: past that haven't materialized, that probably should have come to fruition. And I think it's

[1:24:25] Voice 13: our job working together to see the mistakes of, well, if that didn't work, let's find a situation

[1:24:31] Voice 13: where it does work where you know maybe acreages can be used to be used as housing whereas with

[1:24:40] Voice 13: previous recommendations that wouldn't have been allowed can we then in fact change some of these

[1:24:46] Voice 13: situations of maybe using people with maybe five or ten acres of land where they can have cottages

[1:24:53] Voice 13: or other buildings on the property would we actually have the power to do that as a as a

[1:24:59] Voice 13: task force uh

[1:25:02] Voice 16: yes this is all within the work plan yes

[1:25:05] Voice 13: and i think that's really important

[1:25:07] Voice 13: that we can make changes that will enable us to move forward and go forward with plans that

[1:25:13] Voice 13: actually do work yes thank

[1:25:17] Voice 10: you does anyone else have a final comment before we move to approve

[1:25:21] Voice 10: the work plan okay um i'll move to approve the work plan

[1:25:30] Voice 16: second jim

[1:25:35] Voice 6: will second it i second it

[1:25:43] Voice 16: Okay. Chair, you will need to call for a vote.

[1:25:50] Voice 10: Please can we have a vote on approving the work plan?

[1:25:56] Voice 16: All those in favour?

[1:25:59] Voice 11: All in favour.

[1:26:00] Voice 11: In favour.

[1:26:06] Voice 16: Oppose? Yvonne, you oppose the work plan?

[1:26:11] Voice 16: Yes.

[1:26:12] Voice 16: Okay. So Chair, I think that's considered passed.

[1:26:18] Voice 10: Yes, I consider we've carried the work plan.

[1:26:21] Voice 10: Okay, thank you.

[1:26:22] Voice 16: you so

[1:26:23] Voice 15: uh excuse me sorry uh planner garbo before you move forward i just want to confirm that

[1:26:31] Voice 15: uh member saunders voted uh opposed to that motion yes and member saunders would you like

[1:26:40] Voice 15: your vote recorded no i'm actually for for the plan you're for the yes motion okay thank you

[1:26:48] Voice 15: for confirming that thank you thank

[1:26:51] Voice 10: you thank

[1:26:52] Voice 16: you sarah okay so i'm on the agenda uh i will

[1:27:01] Voice 16: be presenting i guess under this item is the projects matters so as you know uh there are

[1:27:11] Voice 16: a few attachments to this uh agenda with the terms of reference and and this is all for your

[1:27:19] Voice 16: information want you to read it again but uh sorry about that going back to the agenda so where we

[1:27:27] Voice 16: are at so far uh at the beginning of the process we took the project charter uh to local trust

[1:27:35] Voice 16: committee have them approve that and the associate budget this one it doesn't have a really large

[1:27:42] Voice 16: budget but we are going to do whatever we can uh the best we can uh as part of the resolution local

[1:27:49] Voice 16: local trust committee also directed staff to actually don't need to do this directed staff to

[1:27:55] Voice 16: conduct early conversation with stakeholders which include all the agencies and agency on our

[1:28:05] Voice 16: referral when we often have anything legally required to refer to them we reach out to those

[1:28:10] Voice 16: and also other agencies that we feel can impact the process we also have our early conversation

[1:28:18] Voice 16: with First Nations as part of the Reconciliation Action Plan.

[1:28:24] Voice 16: We have a First Nations and elected officials with South Spring Island.

[1:28:31] Voice 16: They call it a community-to-community forum.

[1:28:34] Voice 16: So all the elected officials, chief and council,

[1:28:38] Voice 16: sat together and talked about the projects.

[1:28:41] Voice 16: And we also formed a technical working group.

[1:28:44] Voice 16: When we went out and met with all the agencies,

[1:28:47] Voice 16: We told them we will send you an invite to come to the recurring meeting and focus on all the technical aspects.

[1:28:56] Voice 16: So in addition to this task force where you talk about policies and regulations and measures, there is a technical working group.

[1:29:06] Voice 16: Any time after this meeting, and also another project, Ganges Village Area Plan, we take all the, I guess, summary to the technical working group, and they will tell us if they have any issue or if they have any ideas how to move it forward, because they are the ones that actually can be a really vital part of the process.

[1:29:30] Voice 16: For example, like if you say there are certain areas where we need to increase density desperately,

[1:29:39] Voice 16: you might have ministries say there's a reason why that area is not the best location because

[1:29:45] Voice 16: of the soil topography, because of the ecosystem, because of the roadway.

[1:29:52] Voice 16: They could tell you that.

[1:29:53] Voice 16: And that's why it's important.

[1:29:56] Voice 16: And I think for the first time we have seen.

[1:30:00] Voice 16: so many of them sit at the table. I think it's really exciting. And of course, right at the

[1:30:05] Voice 16: onset, we know fundamentally the biggest barrier for us will be water. So that is something that

[1:30:13] Voice 16: we need to work through. And the public engagement process, unlike Ganges, where we actually have the

[1:30:21] Voice 16: funding to bring in a consultant for housing, we don't have that budget. So we have to do it

[1:30:28] Voice 16: according to the plan in-house. When I say according to the plan, according to the public

[1:30:33] Voice 16: engagement plan that was adopted by local trust committee. So we're slowly rolling that out.

[1:30:44] Voice 16: And right now we are in the process of putting a survey together. Once we get the draft,

[1:30:52] Voice 16: we'll send it to you for your comment. Once you're okay with it, then we will roll it out.

[1:30:57] Voice 16: So I want to talk about one of the attachments relating to dust, and that is the Gabriela Housing Working Group report, just to give you a history.

[1:31:07] Voice 16: And I share with the comments about, you know, we have done so many things, so many reports, so many documents being put together, and we fail all those projects.

[1:31:18] Voice 16: And yes, and sometimes there's no answer to that.

[1:31:22] Voice 16: Like I said, I've been in 20 years in this profession, and I've been in U.S., mostly U.S., unfortunately.

[1:31:30] Voice 16: So it's kind of hard to share the same experience.

[1:31:33] Voice 16: But I can tell you, housing is across North America.

[1:31:36] Voice 16: That issue seems like it's very difficult to crack.

[1:31:40] Voice 16: But there are lots of successful stories, so that's the beauty of it.

[1:31:45] Voice 16: And Gabriela, they started ahead of us.

[1:31:48] Voice 16: they form a housing commission just like you remember even though your name is task force

[1:31:54] Voice 16: the reason why you need to go through all this formal legal protocol because you are appointed

[1:32:00] Voice 16: you are actually a special project advisory planning commission so as much as you like it

[1:32:07] Voice 16: loosey-goosey and casually go out and meet what you cannot because you're wearing that hat

[1:32:14] Voice 16: Gabriela Housing Group, the Housing Fund Commission, they didn't have the funding, so they have

[1:32:23] Voice 16: only a small amount.

[1:32:25] Voice 16: When I say they, it's really the office, it's not the commission that has the money, it's

[1:32:29] Voice 16: the office that has that in the budget.

[1:32:31] Voice 16: But the community got together and they formed a little working group outside and they managed

[1:32:39] Voice 16: to raise money, substantial amount of money.

[1:32:41] Voice 16: very impressive and they put a housing working group report together and the report wasn't done

[1:32:49] Voice 16: by the committee or the community group it was done by a consultant they raised enough money

[1:32:56] Voice 16: to hire consultants and the consultant did the survey they did three rounds of surveys

[1:33:01] Voice 16: very very successful i was told that they actually have the highest number in the history of violence

[1:33:08] Voice 16: trust as far as responding respondents to the survey i looked at the report uh our trustee

[1:33:16] Voice 16: asked to attach to send it to you guys i know some of you got a half burn saying i gotta read

[1:33:21] Voice 16: this in one week no you don't uh you have that within your reach you can look at the recommendations

[1:33:28] Voice 16: recommendations the key thing about that is gabriela's effort supposed to

[1:33:34] Voice 16: create a or establish a model for all the other islands so we don't have to reinvent the wheel

[1:33:42] Voice 16: i like that a lot because for me to write another document takes a long time and it's not really

[1:33:49] Voice 16: very effective to address issues but another office is already doing that and i was told

[1:33:56] Voice 16: So because of that goal and the mandate, we are allowed to actually use the same material.

[1:34:04] Voice 16: So that's what the survey will come from, based on the survey done by professionals.

[1:34:11] Voice 16: And we're still trying to see if we have enough money to actually bring in the consultant

[1:34:18] Voice 16: to do the survey.

[1:34:20] Voice 16: It's always good when a certain level of public outreach is being done by a neutral party

[1:34:28] Voice 16: because that person will not have formed bias or opinion on how to even ask the questions.

[1:34:34] Voice 16: So quite often the successful rate is quite high.

[1:34:38] Voice 16: But we don't know why we are out on that.

[1:34:40] Voice 16: It may be something in the budget that we can ask for next year.

[1:34:44] Voice 16: So right now, the goal is to establish an initial first phase survey.

[1:34:51] Voice 16: We'll send it out to you, take a look at it,

[1:34:54] Voice 16: at the kind of questions that you feel we should ask the community.

[1:34:58] Voice 16: When you read our public engagement plan,

[1:35:01] Voice 16: you will see all the other means that we want to reach out to the community.

[1:35:05] Voice 16: So rest assured, not only with all the things we identify,

[1:35:10] Voice 16: we also welcome more suggestions.

[1:35:13] Voice 16: And for one, sorry, I just finished my thought.

[1:35:17] Voice 16: With the Ganges Village area plan that we have a consultant,

[1:35:20] Voice 16: we are going to take advantage of that

[1:35:22] Voice 16: and see what we can do to bring it to housing action group as well.

[1:35:30] Voice 16: Sorry, Nashma, you have a question?

[1:35:31] Voice 11: Yeah, no, that's amazing.

[1:35:33] Voice 11: It's really inspiring.

[1:35:34] Voice 11: I read most of the report from the Gabriela report,

[1:35:37] Voice 11: and there's a lot there that can be worked with.

[1:35:40] Voice 11: I think a lot of things follow through

[1:35:42] Voice 11: or you know uh kind of transfer over but and i also wonder like um i know we'll have these two

[1:35:49] Voice 11: hour meetings but as far as like engagement to get people into doing the surveys like can we

[1:35:55] Voice 11: like can we have a role in that way to like get people participating because i know sometimes like

[1:36:02] Voice 11: this can be you know i mean i know even for the last islands trust surveys they had

[1:36:05] Voice 11: got a kiosk at the ferry and everything and then it was still pretty low turnout and i think that

[1:36:11] Voice 11: to not have a greater um you know majority of the islanders is it makes it really challenging to

[1:36:18] Voice 11: really get a clear sense so yeah so can we do that like or is that something that we can work on

[1:36:23] Voice 11: more engagement yeah i

[1:36:26] Voice 16: personally love that it's nothing like you know the energy on the group

[1:36:30] Voice 16: uh the only thing is you just have to be cognizant on you know how you speak you don't speak on

[1:36:37] Voice 16: behalf of the task force because you don't have the authority to say i'm speaking on behalf of

[1:36:44] Voice 16: everybody sitting on the task force so be very careful how you word it and don't express your

[1:36:50] Voice 16: opinion on this project uh what else i'm just kind of going back the uh thinking about the

[1:36:58] Voice 16: protocol and when in doubt you don't really clear on all the legislative requirements like i said

[1:37:04] Voice 16: you can always go on to the BC government website

[1:37:07] Voice 16: that talks about when you're appointed

[1:37:11] Voice 16: or elected official, even for employee,

[1:37:14] Voice 16: there are certain rules we have to follow.

[1:37:16] Voice 16: As long as you feel, you know,

[1:37:19] Voice 16: we're just here to help, we're just here to listen,

[1:37:22] Voice 16: and we want to encourage you to do this work.

[1:37:25] Voice 16: And I think that should be safe.

[1:37:29] Voice 16: But when in doubt, just, you know, email us, email me,

[1:37:33] Voice 16: and I can forward it to our legislative clerk

[1:37:35] Voice 16: if I'm not sure about the answer.

[1:37:38] Voice 11: Yeah, I don't see myself out canvassing necessarily.

[1:37:41] Voice 11: I would imagine it would be something very structured

[1:37:43] Voice 11: that we would collaborate on together to do, right?

[1:37:46] Voice 11: Not just like me out there with a survey.

[1:37:49] Voice 16: Yeah, it's in your terms of reference

[1:37:52] Voice 16: that you will be actively participating

[1:37:54] Voice 16: and promoting public engagement.

[1:37:57] Voice 16: So it's hard to find a balance.

[1:37:59] Voice 16: And the challenge is you're also in a very small community.

[1:38:03] Voice 16: and you know when you talk about bias you talk about you know be fair and conflict of interest

[1:38:11] Voice 16: it's your judgment call we can only give you the basic principle of those hot topic key elements

[1:38:20] Voice 16: so um if you have a suggestion you're not sure that will cross the line just email us

[1:38:26] Voice 16: we will provide you with the answer um

[1:38:31] Voice 10: can i ask um so is the you're talking about a public

[1:38:37] Voice 10: engagement via survey are there any other plans for public engagement like um like you know public

[1:38:44] Voice 10: meetings of any kind um

[1:38:47] Voice 16: yeah going back to you need to read the public engagement plan because

[1:38:53] Voice 16: because it identifies all the methods that will be used from our office.

[1:38:57] Voice 16: And with limited funding, we certainly are kind of going slow right now in launching it,

[1:39:03] Voice 16: but we are working on it in the background.

[1:39:06] Voice 16: I will email it to you so you all have quick access to it,

[1:39:10] Voice 16: because I know our website, a lot of the documents got broken links.

[1:39:14] Voice 16: So even though it's shown there, you might not be able to open it.

[1:39:17] Voice 10: Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, that's why I'm confused, because I was looking for it in the agenda package.

[1:39:21] Voice 10: I didn't see it. And then the original project page that had a number of documents, background

[1:39:27] Voice 10: documents linked, wasn't there anymore. I know. I

[1:39:30] Voice 10: know. Would it be possible for you to share all

[1:39:32] Voice 10: of those documents that are pertinent for us?

[1:39:35] Voice 16: Yeah. It's frustrating because of the process.

[1:39:39] Voice 16: You know, they self-launch it and then we find out all these issues. Jessica.

[1:39:46] Voice 12: I'm just wondering

[1:39:47] Voice 12: in regards to the timeline on the Salt Spring Island report that we want to have, is there a

[1:39:52] Voice 12: a timeline that we have um for that report uh which report like like the same sort of report

[1:39:59] Voice 12: on housing and um reporting on like what what people say um on housing here on salt spring

[1:40:05] Voice 12: island this like the similar one that was in the gabriola one that was attached um

[1:40:11] Voice 16: that's the only

[1:40:13] Voice 16: report are you talking about uh the housing working group report

[1:40:18] Voice 12: um no like it's like getting

[1:40:20] Voice 12: statistical sort of information on what the housing crisis in on salt we

[1:40:24] Voice 16: don't have that

[1:40:26] Voice 16: information in our office but crd produced one just recently specific to salt spring island

[1:40:32] Voice 16: i can

[1:40:33] Voice 16: send that to you too we're prepared to see all the attachment coming away

[1:40:40] Voice 10: just one quick follow-up on to that comment um i noticed that in in the in the list of things

[1:40:47] Voice 10: that were out of scope, it was mentioned specific quantitative social economic data other than from

[1:40:55] Voice 10: the CRD. And I just wonder about that. It might be problematic because I've reviewed the CRD

[1:41:06] Voice 10: assessment and there's a lot of data that's already out of date. And maybe at some point

[1:41:12] Voice 10: in this process, we will need more data. How can we go about that? How can we address that?

[1:41:19] Voice 16: It's usually my understanding, and Jordi may be able to help me, my understanding is

[1:41:24] Voice 16: we don't have that resource. So it's usually produced by CRB. And I thought the one that

[1:41:30] Voice 16: got done was just 2020. So it's just last year. And you said it's already outdated.

[1:41:35] Voice 10: It's, yeah, I'd be happy to, you know, when we get to it, at some point, it would be good to

[1:41:39] Voice 10: look at it and explore why it's out of date hopefully we'll have an opportunity to talk

[1:41:46] Voice 10: about that um

[1:41:48] Voice 16: i can bring that to the technical working group because crd is on that group i can

[1:41:54] Voice 16: ask them about data excellent

[1:41:56] Voice 4: yeah i have um a question and it comes from you know i don't know

[1:42:04] Voice 4: however many decades of business experience where we always begin with what the intended

[1:42:12] Voice 4: outcome is like how do we define success as this group how will we know two years from now if we've

[1:42:19] Voice 4: been successful and i think that's got to be the first conversation because if if we if we haven't

[1:42:27] Voice 4: settled on that we're just like wishy-washy we don't know where we're going whereas if we define

[1:42:32] Voice 4: success then we've got a target and then we know how to allocate our limited resources and it may

[1:42:38] Voice 4: turn out that polling the public doesn't serve what final goal we want to achieve.

[1:42:46] Voice 4: It may

[1:42:47] Voice 4: or it may not, but without having clarity in this group of how we define success, I

[1:42:57] Voice 4: don't feel comfortable.

[1:42:58] Voice 4: I think that needs to be the first thing.

[1:43:02] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:43:02] Voice 10: I think that's a really good comment.

[1:43:06] Voice 10: and Luisa maybe you could it seems to me that there was an opportunity in the work plan

[1:43:11] Voice 10: in the next two sessions is about so I'm just trying to find it about you know setting a vision

[1:43:19] Voice 10: and vision statement and goals so is this will we be having opportunity to do what

[1:43:27] Voice 10: Mira is suggesting to define what our goals are and what success will look like so

[1:43:32] Voice 16: in the working

[1:43:34] Voice 16: can uh sorry in the work plan it identify you have a whole year to prepare and in that preparation

[1:43:42] Voice 16: stage there are four things you will look at but that's just minimum so what what you as a task

[1:43:50] Voice 16: force you can agree among yourself how you want to approach this and if you want to define an

[1:43:57] Voice 16: outcome that's it's your prerogative as a group you can define that but i do want to make a comment

[1:44:04] Voice 16: on that you are working you're appointed and you are working with local planning services

[1:44:13] Voice 16: and this is not a municipality so we don't have transportation department we don't have a water

[1:44:20] Voice 16: department. So your tool is kind of limited. So make sure your goal is not unachievable. It's

[1:44:28] Voice 16: within the range. We cannot build houses. And so it's busy housing. So if you put a number of

[1:44:36] Voice 16: quota by a certain time, we're not going to be able to achieve that. And I would hate to see,

[1:44:42] Voice 16: and we've done it all the time when we were told what to do, what to put into a plan,

[1:44:47] Voice 16: plan we could do that but then that's when things fail 10 years later you still see that item not

[1:44:53] Voice 16: being achieved so there's something that I would like you to be more cognizant of that when you

[1:44:59] Voice 16: develop certain goals and our role here is to give you professional advice and we will tell you

[1:45:05] Voice 16: you know what happened why it didn't happen or why we don't know what happened one thing is when it

[1:45:12] Voice 16: comes to housing we are not the builder so especially with local planning services it's

[1:45:17] Voice 16: really a land use regulatory department we look at regulations rules that promote advocate support

[1:45:26] Voice 16: eliminate for the lack of better word certain things so it's really through legal tools

[1:45:31] Voice 16: uh having said that there are something that can push a bit of the envelope didn't want to uh let

[1:45:39] Voice 16: the cat out the bag but for the preview for your next meeting like i said before we'll bring you

[1:45:44] Voice 16: to survey we actually will have a pilot project framework for you to look at uh now be be mindful

[1:45:54] Voice 16: that pilot project can be very tricky and right now we said we'll explore that option

[1:46:03] Voice 16: But for the island situation is so unique. Our pilot project is going to be very different than other municipal government where their pilot project can be more ambitious.

[1:46:17] Voice 16: You might look at City of Victoria just successfully got their tiny village done, but they have resources. They have departments that actually can do that.

[1:46:27] Voice 16: we don't even have our own inspections you know it's it's crd that do the building inspections

[1:46:32] Voice 16: so be aware of the limitation but we will bring you the pilot project and for review and it

[1:46:40] Voice 16: doesn't have to be just one it can be a different types of pilot projects uh we want to bring you

[1:46:47] Voice 16: the pilot project framework because the problem we discover when we wrote out the project charter

[1:46:53] Voice 16: it sets pilot project we got tons of people calling can my project fall under that so we

[1:47:00] Voice 16: need to develop a framework to clearly explain it is not for the sole purpose of a single property

[1:47:07] Voice 16: owner's benefit if the pilot project intends to provide it's for the betterment of greater

[1:47:14] Voice 16: community good so we need to build a framework and especially when we're looking at incentives

[1:47:21] Voice 16: incentives. It's public money, subject to a lot of scrutiny beyond this department. So to put

[1:47:30] Voice 16: something together, we have to be very careful and very thoughtful about it. And it might take

[1:47:35] Voice 16: some time. Although we do want to send it to you initially just to get some reaction. You think

[1:47:41] Voice 16: this is even going to work? And you know, with your expertise, so many of you have experience

[1:47:46] Voice 16: in the housing side of things you can tell us it's not going to work or it's going to be really

[1:47:53] Voice 16: costly so we want you to react to it but rest assured that is just a draft for you to react

[1:47:59] Voice 16: we are not going to take that and then run with it and adopt it it's things are going to take a

[1:48:06] Voice 16: bit of time having said that so you you know that we are in the background working on quick measures

[1:48:13] Voice 16: or actionable items we're doing that we're doing those things while we are also working on amending

[1:48:20] Voice 16: the ocp the ocp the reason why we we need to have a major amendment to the ocp because if you look

[1:48:28] Voice 16: at the land use section it only talks about the housing element is part of the residential section

[1:48:35] Voice 16: it needs to be pulled out so that you can have specific policy and objective to support housing

[1:48:41] Voice 16: so we will be working on all those in the background we'll listen to all your input and

[1:48:47] Voice 16: your ideas we'll bring it back to you and say is this what you want and you will react to it

[1:48:52] Voice 16: so it's an ongoing process you will have a lot of review to do and sounded like you guys like

[1:48:58] Voice 16: reading so that's good excellent

[1:49:01] Voice 10: thank you looking forward to seeing those uh those um

[1:49:09] Voice 10: When will we expect to see the drafts that you're talking about?

[1:49:14] Voice 16: We are hoping by next month.

[1:49:18] Voice 16: The framework probably can come sooner than the first initial pilot project we're proposing

[1:49:26] Voice 16: because of the legal side of things, because of the funding side of things.

[1:49:31] Voice 16: If we don't have funding, we couldn't move forward.

[1:49:34] Voice 16: Oh, and another thing we're also working on in the background is

[1:49:38] Voice 16: is we want to look at how to promote sustainable design.

[1:49:42] Voice 16: So we have, we're exploring a certification program.

[1:49:46] Voice 16: It's already all over Canada,

[1:49:48] Voice 16: but it's not in South Spring Island.

[1:49:50] Voice 16: So we want to locate that

[1:49:51] Voice 16: and see what kind of incentives we can provide.

[1:49:55] Voice 16: So with no money in the budget,

[1:49:58] Voice 16: it's hard to talk about incentives

[1:49:59] Voice 16: and we have to look at federal funding.

[1:50:02] Voice 16: So those are the things that we are exploring.

[1:50:05] Voice 16: um

[1:50:07] Voice 11: I I know that the CMHC thank you so much Louisa I'm really inspired I actually I I'm kind

[1:50:14] Voice 11: of a dork I think I like planning I think I like it's like boring and I like reading bylaws and

[1:50:19] Voice 11: it's weird and I'm like why do I like this anyways regardless um the CMHC just sent an email I did I

[1:50:25] Voice 11: put it in a link at the bottom of one of the emails I sent um but it was for the um there's

[1:50:30] Voice 11: there's a housing there's another stream of funding and they're actually looking for you

[1:50:37] Voice 11: know they're looking to fund community groups or municipalities I think we would qualify actually

[1:50:43] Voice 11: and perhaps the LTC could look into that for us because that could be stream so it's I think

[1:50:48] Voice 11: there's like eight stages and right you know and it's at the second stage right now and I could

[1:50:54] Voice 11: send you the link I mean I don't want to make more work for you but it could be funding for the whole

[1:50:59] Voice 11: project if we were able to you know get that written basically get a grant for that

[1:51:05] Voice 16: and i

[1:51:06] Voice 16: have to say just for the sake of talking our grant application is very intensive just to pull all the

[1:51:15] Voice 16: information and to defend it why we deserve the money they want to see a lot to justify that and

[1:51:21] Voice 16: sometimes even empirical research data so it is work haven't said that in mind that it could be

[1:51:28] Voice 16: your recommendation yes

[1:51:31] Voice 11: yeah it's something i could help with as well too i'm sorry then

[1:51:37] Voice 11: that that

[1:51:38] Voice 4: program you're referring to oh somebody's got a

[1:51:41] Voice 16: time to talk no i guess so the

[1:51:49] Voice 4: program you're referring to nishma is the housing challenge and it does come in several stages and

[1:51:56] Voice 4: I'm in preliminary on that. We're developing a new technology and the rammed earth we've

[1:52:07] Voice 4: been doing for the last 30 years has been very thick walled and we're now developing

[1:52:12] Voice 4: a two inch thick rammed earth panel and that has the potential of creating two inches of

[1:52:20] Voice 4: rammed earth two inches of foam two inches of rammed earth as a module for affordable housing

[1:52:27] Voice 4: which is something that we are taking on that is you know one of our intentions and i'm doing this

[1:52:35] Voice 4: with my son and um uh you know i mean as far as meeting environmental requirements

[1:52:44] Voice 4: requirements and structural requirements it seems to solve all those issues. We've been flying by

[1:52:53] Voice 4: the seat of my of our pants. I mean I'm a technologist not an engineer and I'm sure it

[1:53:01] Voice 4: would require engineering to to get approval but it is something that may be eligible for funding

[1:53:08] Voice 4: funding either through my company or my son's company, or perhaps even through this endeavor.

[1:53:18] Voice 11: Yeah, see, Mira, I think that's super amazing. And what I see here, though, when I think about

[1:53:23] Voice 11: the housing supply challenge for us, I see it as like, yeah, we all hold like a key to something

[1:53:29] Voice 11: super awesome. And it's all about how we put it together. So I think that when I consider that

[1:53:35] Voice 11: funding I mean maybe it's uh too far out for the whole group but um I I really see that we have

[1:53:40] Voice 11: like the collaboration is where we're going to be empowered and to make something really I like to

[1:53:46] Voice 11: to create a pilot project if we really wanted to do that together we all have something to

[1:53:50] Voice 11: give right so so

[1:53:52] Voice 13: I also find this really exciting that we can pull our resources of knowledge

[1:53:57] Voice 13: like the thing that I didn't say I mean when I lived in England I've lived in houses that were

[1:54:02] Voice 13: 500 years old, and we'd strip the houses back to the old structure. And there were beams there that

[1:54:08] Voice 13: were still from ships that were 500 years older still. So my knowledge of renovating really old

[1:54:14] Voice 13: houses might not be applicable today, but you never know. Because when we pool our resources

[1:54:20] Voice 13: of knowledge, this is when you get results. And the enthusiasm that people have, I think is

[1:54:25] Voice 13: absolutely wonderful. That's what we need. I think sometimes a fresh look at things with different

[1:54:31] Voice 13: from people coming in from different angles and suddenly you end up with an idea that really is

[1:54:35] Voice 13: workable so I'm really excited about that too yeah

[1:54:39] Voice 6: I've always liked that idea about an open

[1:54:41] Voice 6: platform when I start I

[1:54:43] Voice 6: don't I like looking back I don't like I don't mind looking back I don't

[1:54:47] Voice 6: like trial and error sometimes and I certainly respect experience that works but sometimes

[1:54:52] Voice 6: having that extra component of an open platform where we can look with fresh eyes I think sometimes

[1:54:59] Voice 6: reveal some interesting things.

[1:55:00] Voice 6: Yes,

[1:55:01] Voice 16: I think so too.

[1:55:03] Voice 16: So Chair, before we close the meeting,

[1:55:06] Voice 16: we have about five minutes.

[1:55:08] Voice 16: Would it be possible to maybe get comments

[1:55:10] Voice 16: from Kerry and Jessica who haven't been talking much?

[1:55:14] Voice 10: Excellent idea.

[1:55:19] Voice 10: Kerry or Jessica, do you have anything to share?

[1:55:22] Voice 12: I'm just, I really thank you all for your input

[1:55:24] Voice 12: and I'm really just sort of taking it all in

[1:55:26] Voice 12: from my own perspective.

[1:55:28] Voice 12: And I think the sort of integration of sustainable building and affordability and from a social justice perspective and environmental perspective is the way, you know, we can tackle this very complex issue.

[1:55:45] Voice 12: I'm looking forward to reading more of the information that we'll get and having a bit more of a background.

[1:55:51] Voice 12: and I also read the report on Gabriela and found it really interesting and I hope that we can

[1:55:59] Voice 12: be able to tackle some of the really complex issues here in a similar way so it's nice that

[1:56:05] Voice 12: we have that framework to work from. Thank you. Thank

[1:56:12] Voice 14: you. Thanks Jessica. My point what I was

[1:56:14] Voice 14: thinking I read the Gabriela report and I think you know there's been a lot of discussion on

[1:56:21] Voice 14: Salt Spring that we've got a lot of data. It might not be updated, but there's been a lot

[1:56:25] Voice 14: of research and surveys conducted to date. And I think there's so much learning that can happen

[1:56:29] Voice 14: from other places. We don't have to reinvent the wheel. We can draw on the experience of others

[1:56:34] Voice 14: who have come before us and have their own solutions that have worked. So I'm wondering

[1:56:40] Voice 14: with the survey that's being planned, what's the objective of that survey? What's the ultimate goal

[1:56:47] Voice 14: of doing a survey on salt spring it's

[1:56:54] Voice 16: all part of public engagement project that's launched by

[1:56:57] Voice 16: local government we need to see community input in all levels and even though sometimes the topic

[1:57:04] Voice 16: may not be layman's term we try to still reach out and explain what it is and what we are trying

[1:57:11] Voice 16: to do so people get an understanding and sometimes it will be you'll be amazed with the type of

[1:57:18] Voice 16: of information you actually can gather through a survey.

[1:57:21] Voice 16: And that's only one of the means

[1:57:22] Voice 16: where you're going to reach out to the public.

[1:57:25] Voice 16: Again, once you have our public engagement plan,

[1:57:27] Voice 16: you will get to see the different methods

[1:57:29] Voice 16: we are working on trying to launch the plan

[1:57:33] Voice 16: to reach out to get more input.

[1:57:38] Voice 16: Thank you.

[1:57:39] Voice 10: We also, just Daniel and Bryce who are calling in,

[1:57:44] Voice 10: do either of you have any comments?

[1:57:51] Voice 17: Hi everyone, sorry, it's Daniel here.

[1:57:53] Voice 17: I just wanted to say I'm really looking forward to being part of it.

[1:57:57] Voice 17: Unfortunately, I've been on my phone, so actually I've had the misfortune of having most of the meeting broken up quite a bit.

[1:58:03] Voice 17: I haven't been able to follow quite as much as I'd like to, but I'm happy to say that going forward,

[1:58:08] Voice 17: I'm going to be on my computer and able to take part much better, I hope.

[1:58:12] Voice 17: But I'm sorry for all the distractions, and like I say, I'm looking forward to hearing better in the future

[1:58:20] Voice 17: and being able to take part more.

[1:58:25] you are

[1:58:25] Voice 5: yeah hi rona it's bryce i'm stuck on the phone here too i've been furiously taking notes

[1:58:32] Voice 5: uh really good ideas uh i'm very pleased with the direction we're going already

[1:58:36] Voice 5: thank

[1:58:39] Voice 10: you thank

[1:58:42] Voice 16: you uh so that's it for today and i do have to ask through the chair to ask

[1:58:48] Voice 16: for a motion to adjourn but before we do that for the next agenda if you have anything that

[1:58:54] Voice 16: that you feel you want to bring to the group

[1:58:57] Voice 16: to add to the agenda item, let me know.

[1:59:00] Voice 16: We will be happy to do that.

[1:59:03] Voice 13: Lovely, and Louisa, I just want to thank you

[1:59:05] Voice 13: for all your input and help, because as a group,

[1:59:09] Voice 13: when we put our resources together,

[1:59:12] Voice 13: this is when we will get some good results, I'm sure.

[1:59:15] Voice 13: So I just wanted to thank you on all of our behalf

[1:59:17] Voice 13: through your help too, thank you.

[1:59:19] Voice 16: Oh, thank you so much, I appreciate that.

[1:59:21] Voice 16: Just so you know, Nick's meeting will be rolling.

[1:59:25] Voice 16: He will be doing all the talking.

[1:59:29] Voice 10: Now you're in trouble.

[1:59:34] Voice 10: So I guess the proper thing is to move to adjourn.

[1:59:38] Voice 3: You

[1:59:40] Voice 16: need a second.

[1:59:42] Voice 10: Oh, is there someone to second?

[1:59:43] Voice 16: I second it.

[1:59:46] Voice 10: Get outside, everybody.

[1:59:49] Voice 16: You're all in favor?

[1:59:51] Voice 10: All in favor.

[1:59:52] Voice 11: All in favor.

[1:59:53] Voice 11: All in favor. This is so new, the structure.

[1:59:57] Voice 11: Thank you so much.

[1:59:58] Voice 16: Thanks, everyone.

[2:00:00] Voice 16: Thank you.

[2:00:01] Voice 16: Thank you.