Islands Trust Council community information meeting, June 1, 2021

[0:00:02] Voice 10: I just do.

[0:00:05] Voice 12: Oh, did you get a message there, Jane? Yeah, I did.

[0:00:08] Voice 12: Yeah. Yeah. Just press yes. I'm not

[0:00:09] Voice 12: sure why that came up, but it should be fine.

[0:00:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): It started coming up all the time.

[0:00:15] Voice 12: Oh yeah. I think

[0:00:16] Voice 12: they did have an update. So maybe that's a new thing. Yeah.

[0:00:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): Good afternoon, everyone. We're just

[0:00:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): waiting for attendees to arrive. We're now at 16. Just wait another moment.

[0:00:55] Voice 12: Okay. And live streams

[0:00:56] Voice 12: now connected thank

[0:00:57] Voice 25: you very much okay

[0:01:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): um we see people's the attendees list seems to have stopped

[0:01:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): growing so um we can start this is the uh good afternoon this is the uh uh regular meeting of the

[0:01:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): the Galeano Local Press Committee for June the 1st, 1230.

[0:01:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): We start all our meetings with a land acknowledgement

[0:01:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I want to, and we of course start that

[0:01:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): with acknowledging the privilege

[0:01:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the gratefulness that we have

[0:01:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): of being able to work in the Coast Salish Territory. I do acknowledge my personal privilege,

[0:02:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): but today I find myself filled with sorrow and shame as a Canadian.

[0:02:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): I wanted to say whatever we as a country have achieved, whatever else we have achieved,

[0:02:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's become obvious over the last number of days that we as settlers colonizers have

[0:02:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): historically failed in our relationship with indigenous people miserably and in ways that

[0:02:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): appear to amount to and and do amount to genocide i never thought i would use that word to describe

[0:02:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Canada. What else do you call

[0:02:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): a system which took young children from their families

[0:02:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): and in many cases abused and mistreated

[0:02:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): them and then when they die they

[0:02:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): bury them in unmarked graves?

[0:03:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's hard to even say that out loud.

[0:03:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): I want to acknowledge as well that the trust has

[0:03:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): historically failed in its relationship with Indigenous people in different but also very

[0:03:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): real ways. We have recognized that and we are committed to doing immeasurably better.

[0:03:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): My commitment now is to listen respectfully to what First Nations people need from us

[0:03:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): and for themselves to listen and not talk, but listen.

[0:03:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): There is a statement from the trust you can read on our website.

[0:03:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm not going to read it here today,

[0:03:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): but you can read our statement of sorrow and support.

[0:03:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I need a moment before we carry on.

[0:04:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): on and I'm going to ask that we have a moment of just a moment of silence before we start the

[0:04:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): business of today's work. So I'll just give us a moment. I'm going to mute myself. All right.

[0:05:04] Voice 11: Can I just say thank you and that I certainly didn't feel I could speak. I'm just heartbroken.

[0:05:27] Voice 11: and that's

[0:05:31] Voice 17: all okay

[0:05:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): um so yes so this is of course is not about us it's about about uh people but

[0:06:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's move so let's move into our our business agenda uh this is the local trust committee

[0:06:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): meeting uh we are continuing in our process of having the um the meetings being done virtually

[0:06:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we have a process whereby you are able to join us either by joining the webinar, as many of you have done.

[0:06:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): I see there's 21 attendees and I see that there are and there will be people that come watch the live broadcast.

[0:06:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): and this matter of meeting is being recorded

[0:06:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): and will be available on our website

[0:06:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): in a matter of days.

[0:06:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): The process will be that we will carry out our work.

[0:06:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): There will be opportunities for you to speak

[0:06:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I will address those when we get to the town hall

[0:07:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): and if you're an applicant,

[0:07:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): when you have an opportunity to speak to your application.

[0:07:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then we will give you the opportunity

[0:07:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): to be part of the discussion as well.

[0:07:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): But in the meantime, you'll be seeing myself and others.

[0:07:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Mr. Loveridge, do you have technical problems

[0:07:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): or is your hand up by accident?

[0:07:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm not sure, sometimes, occasionally,

[0:07:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): people put their hands up by accident.

[0:07:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): If it is up by accident, Mr. Loveridge,

[0:07:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): can you put it down so that I know that that's the case?

[0:07:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you very much.

[0:07:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so,

[0:07:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): the uh so just to introduce the folks that you're going to see today i'm sorry i started speaking

[0:07:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): before i introduced myself um that form my name is dan rogers i'm the uh an elected trustee from

[0:07:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): alcatsum how sound um from keats island which in the squamish language is known as lectines

[0:08:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm joining you today from uh the christian territories of the muslim and the slave with

[0:08:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): to defend the Squamish peoples in Vancouver

[0:08:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): in order to get better signals.

[0:08:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): You'll see in your, you will see on your screen

[0:08:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): the two local trustees.

[0:08:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): You've heard a bit from Trustee Wolverton,

[0:08:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): good afternoon, Trustee Jane,

[0:08:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): and of course, Trustee Rockefeller, hi, Tiara.

[0:08:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, and this is our regular local trust committee meeting

[0:08:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we thank you for joining us.

[0:08:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): you'll also be hear me talk occasionally we have with us we have maple hung who is the

[0:08:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): administrative assistant who is behind the scenes running the show um and uh hi michael uh and uh

[0:08:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): she's in um i think she's in victoria somewhere uh the sonich territory and um and carly bilney

[0:08:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh who's our minute taker and recorder uh who you'll may hear me talk to occasionally as well

[0:09:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): Carly, thank you for your work.

[0:09:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): Prasim, she's on Galeano.

[0:09:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then, of course, planner Brad Smith, who's the island planner for Galeano.

[0:09:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): And you'll be hearing from Brad on a number of occasions today.

[0:09:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, as I said, we are continuing to do this electronically.

[0:09:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): chronically. I should tell you, just as a matter of administrative, we are working towards what

[0:09:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): would it look like when we're able to gather again. And I don't know yet what that's going

[0:09:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): to look like. It depends a bit on the province. It depends a bit on what we decide to do in terms of

[0:09:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): our technology. But at some point, we're hopeful that at some point soon, we'll be able to, well,

[0:09:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): again. It's been a long time since I've been on Galliano and I'm not happy about that.

[0:10:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we have an agenda in front of us. So I wanted to ask trustees whether they had anything they

[0:10:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): wish to add to the agenda? Yes,

[0:10:21] Voice 11: I would like to add the standing APC as a topic,

[0:10:32] Voice 11: James Island as a topic, and a possible change to our projects, a combination of some projects.

[0:10:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so why don't we just add the projects combination at where the projects list comes up?

[0:10:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sure.

[0:10:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then you wanted to add, what was the first thing? I'm sorry, I heard James Island, I've forgotten the first thing.

[0:11:00] Voice 11: Standing APC.

[0:11:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Standing APC.

[0:11:03] Voice 11: Yeah, regarding

[0:11:04] Voice 11: climate crisis.

[0:11:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then the James Island you'd like to discuss at,

[0:11:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll put that at 16.5, so that's 16.4 and 16.5.

[0:11:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): I wondered actually, Jane,

[0:11:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): whether you wanted to talk about 16.3,

[0:11:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is the tree cutting and removal of DPA3

[0:11:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): before we got to the projects list,

[0:11:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): or is that something that we can talk about at that point

[0:11:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): and whichever is up to you.

[0:11:41] Voice 11: We can probably,

[0:11:47] Voice 11: we could probably do it.

[0:11:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): We can always amend the project list

[0:11:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): if that's something we decide to do after the fact.

[0:11:54] Voice 11: Okay, it's a fairly minor change

[0:11:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): that

[0:11:57] Voice 11: I'm proposing to the EPA 3.

[0:11:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): But why don't we leave it where it is

[0:12:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we'll talk about it.

[0:12:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Rockefeller,

[0:12:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): is there anything you wish to change to the agenda

[0:12:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): or add to the agenda?

[0:12:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): No.

[0:12:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay well um then we're going to uh i'm going to indicate that the agenda is adopted as amended um

[0:12:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that's great i want to advise we went into camera uh at the end of the last meeting in april

[0:12:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and uh we i we determined there was nothing to rise and report about at that time um so that

[0:12:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): That leads us to the first item or number three

[0:12:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): on the agenda, which is trustee reports,

[0:12:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): which who would like to start by making a report?

[0:12:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, go ahead trustee.

[0:12:49] Voice 9: All right, I'm going to report

[0:12:50] Voice 9: on the Southern Gulf Islands Forum,

[0:12:53] Voice 9: which is a group of trust representatives,

[0:12:56] Voice 9: provincial representatives and federal representatives.

[0:12:59] Voice 9: um we discussed the james island and old growth forests uh james island is a 350 hectare privately

[0:13:07] Voice 9: owned island within the pender island and say what nation first nations area it's owned by an

[0:13:14] Voice 9: arizona-based firm that specializes in creating luxury residential communities and has submitted

[0:13:19] Voice 9: an application to the province for a bare land strata subdivision for up to 79 properties

[0:13:23] Voice 9: So this was just a talk on what levels of government, what they thought about it and how we could support the say what First Nations, and as they have significant cultural value on that island and are opposed to the subdivision.

[0:13:37] Voice 9: So I won't speak much more on it just because I believe Trustee Wolverton will be discussing James Island now later on in the agenda, it sounds like.

[0:13:44] Voice 9: um and then we also talked about old growth forest protection and the provincial and federal levels

[0:13:51] Voice 9: and possible uh avenues to support the public movement um i also just returned from the ferry

[0:13:59] Voice 9: creek blockade yesterday as an individual and i'm happy to discuss with people if they have

[0:14:04] Voice 9: questions um you can call me or email me anytime thank you so much thank

[0:14:09] Voice 25: you trustee rockefeller

[0:14:11] Voice 25: Trustee Wolfert.

[0:14:13] Voice 11: Yes, I just would add that Mavis Underwood was presenting to the Southern Gulf

[0:14:22] Voice 11: Island Forum on James Island and on the hopes and the plans that they have for that island

[0:14:33] Voice 11: that don't include the bare land strata.

[0:14:35] Voice 11: But anyway, and also that the island has significance

[0:14:42] Voice 11: because of its medicines and shellfish.

[0:14:48] Voice 11: And it's quite a significant place

[0:14:54] Voice 11: that was expected to be returned after the war,

[0:15:01] Voice 11: but it was not.

[0:15:04] Voice 11: Anyway, so my involvement this month has been a number of Zoom meetings on Galliano Roads, STBRs, the forum that Trustee Rockefeller mentioned, some site visits to Galliano Green, and some individual residents, and then a number of meetings and discussions and correspondence and phone calls,

[0:15:27] Voice 11: as well as the regional planning committee that has been working on model bylaws model fee bylaws

[0:15:38] Voice 11: for the trust and we reviewed the first draft of the trust policy statement so that's it's

[0:15:48] Voice 11: been a busy month yeah

[0:15:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): um it feels like it's been a busy year yeah it um it has been a busy year

[0:15:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'll just report out a few things.

[0:16:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): One is I sit as the representative of the Executive Committee on the Trust Programs Committee,

[0:16:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is sort of overseeing the revision of the Trust Policy Statement.

[0:16:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): We've had a number of meetings related to that.

[0:16:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): As with the Regional Planning Committee, we had a first look at a first draft.

[0:16:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): We had a secondary meeting where lots of feedback was given on the first draft of the document.

[0:16:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): A plan was set to have a special meeting of Trust Council, which has now been approved and set up for July the 8th,

[0:16:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): where the single topic will be a proposal to consider a draft bylaw related to the Trust Policy Statement.

[0:16:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): because the trust policy statement is a bylaw of trust council and uh it's uh sets out the

[0:17:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): vision is well it's not an exact mirror it is a something like the ocp for galliano and it sort

[0:17:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): of sets the high level principles and the the various things that uh guide the work of the

[0:17:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): trust. It was last revised thoroughly in 1994. It's in need of updating substantially, particularly

[0:17:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): around climate change and around reconciliation and our relationship with First Nations around

[0:17:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): around the area, it's inadequate in those areas.

[0:17:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): There are other proposals for inclusion in there as well,

[0:17:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): but those take up a lot of that work.

[0:17:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's actually the first draft, well, it will be,

[0:17:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's an iterative process in the sense

[0:17:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): that it will continue to evolve,

[0:17:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): but we're in the middle of what I call

[0:18:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): our internal process on that.

[0:18:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): We had a year and a half or more of public consultation and outreach.

[0:18:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's ongoing consultation with a series of First Nations in the area.

[0:18:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so we're doing some of our internal work, if you will, although we're receiving a lot of external commentary, which is fine.

[0:18:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): But we're doing our internal work to see if we can come up with a proposal or a draft that will then go out again to communities of all sorts throughout the trust.

[0:18:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I think someone told me they had identified something like 110 referral agencies.

[0:18:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that's not, of course, that's not including the community consultation that takes place.

[0:18:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): which will be continue and we'll start again

[0:18:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): if we have a first draft proposal

[0:19:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): to take out to the community.

[0:19:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's the plan.

[0:19:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's a couple of meetings of the Trust Programs Committee

[0:19:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the executive before then to sort of look again

[0:19:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): to see what the next draft looks like.

[0:19:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): It will be available shortly after the next Trust Council.

[0:19:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): This upcoming Trust Council is set for June,

[0:19:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh eight nine and ten and the uh town hall we have three delegations coming and the town hall

[0:19:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): is set for the evening again of june the uh 8th um so feel free to join us and again of course

[0:19:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): you'll be able to participate uh throughout or not participate to observe and and participate

[0:19:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the town hall but observe throughout the uh process it's um a little unknown how long the

[0:19:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): agenda would but it looks shorter than last time so that's all happening as we go along

[0:20:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): in addition I wanted to report that I mean there's so many things happening

[0:20:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): both at trust council and at local trust committees but one of the things I've been

[0:20:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): doing individually is I'm sitting on the provincial I think it's an advisory body

[0:20:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that's exactly what it's called,

[0:20:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): on short-term vacation rentals

[0:20:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): and to provide recommendations to the province

[0:20:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): related to STBRs.

[0:20:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): I sit as the Islands Trust representative on that.

[0:20:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's representatives from Whistler,

[0:20:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): from Victoria, from Vancouver, from Burnaby,

[0:20:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): from Cofino, from about 10 or 12 different communities

[0:20:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh getting together and discussing what what kinds of recommendations can be made

[0:20:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh understanding that um short-term rentals are are an issue in communities large and small

[0:21:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): um so uh and there are a series of uh that we're working on um with some staff from the ministry

[0:21:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): um looking at some recommendations that will hopefully be going into the province by the end

[0:21:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the month um so that's another thing that i'm working on um as i said there are a lot there's

[0:21:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): lots going on at the executive and the trust council level invite you to join us at the

[0:21:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): trust council if you wish to make any comments so um that's my report so that's the chair's report

[0:21:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): work is there anything else trustees before i move into town hall okay so town hall um so we're

[0:21:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): moving into town hall now um and questions um so it's a little bit complicated because uh

[0:22:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): there are two applications where well there's an application where trustee wolverton has recused

[0:22:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): herself and an application where trustee rockefeller has recused herself um and so i need

[0:22:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): to ask them to effectively leave when we do that.

[0:22:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): So of course the one that's Giggers and the new one,

[0:22:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is Galley, which we're going to be discussing,

[0:22:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): both of which are on our agenda later today.

[0:22:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): So if you have something that you wish to talk

[0:22:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the local trust committee about,

[0:22:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll be separating these matters out as we go forward.

[0:22:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): weren't so um but i here's what i want to uh remind you of so the process will be that you'll

[0:22:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): put your hand up i'll ask maple to promote you you'll be able to turn your camera on if you wish

[0:22:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): and ask you to address the local trust committee and i remind you that our expectations related to

[0:22:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): that what we expect is that is that you talk to the issues and not to people or personalities

[0:23:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that includes all of the people that work for the trust.

[0:23:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): And this is a workplace for all of us and for the staff that are here.

[0:23:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): And they are entitled to have an opportunity to work in a safe and respectful workspace.

[0:23:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we ask you to address the issues and not people or personalities and not people or personalities in the community.

[0:23:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): please talk to the local trust committee

[0:23:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): and to whatever the issue you wish to talk about.

[0:23:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we of course ask you to be appropriate

[0:23:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): and respectful in your commentary.

[0:23:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're here to listen and we ask you to make

[0:23:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): or to ask a question if you have a question

[0:23:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): to try and answer any questions

[0:23:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): or figure out a way to get a question answered.

[0:24:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): And with those preliminary commentary,

[0:24:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll be asking people to do that.

[0:24:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): So the first group of questions I'm going to ask for is anything that doesn't relate

[0:24:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): or commentary, anything that doesn't relate to either the new application for GALI, I

[0:24:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't agree, and I'll just call it that for short form, or doesn't relate to the GIGRS

[0:24:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): application.

[0:24:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): In other words, any questions or commentary that relates to something else, so that both

[0:24:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustees can stay.

[0:24:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): So is there anybody that wishes to make a comment on in relation to either of the anything

[0:24:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's either that's not related to either of those two out and not seeing any hands

[0:24:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, there's one.

[0:24:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): So this not in relation to Giggers or in relation to Gallaudet Green, I'll ask, sorry, Jennifer,

[0:25:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): Jennifer, I saw your hand up and then it went down.

[0:25:10] Voice 6: It's been promoted.

[0:25:12] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:25:14] Voice 6: I just want to mention something

[0:25:16] Voice 6: that I've recently become aware of

[0:25:18] Voice 6: that I believe is relevant generally

[0:25:21] Voice 6: to land use on Galliano.

[0:25:23] Voice 6: And secondly, to make a specific request of trustees.

[0:25:27] Voice 6: And again, this is a general request,

[0:25:29] Voice 6: not related to any specific rezoning applications.

[0:25:35] Voice 6: The first comment I want to make

[0:25:37] Voice 6: is that there is much emphasis on professional reports provided by rezoning applicants and some

[0:25:44] Voice 6: of us who have had serious concerns and questions about environmental and groundwater impacts

[0:25:50] Voice 6: particularly of high density rezonings have been told to trust the experts or trust the science

[0:25:59] Voice 6: and what i've come to learn recently and others may want to keep this in mind too

[0:26:03] Voice 6: is that a reliance on private sector professionals hired by applicants, rather than by independent

[0:26:11] Voice 6: government officials, was introduced in around 2005 by the previous Liberal government.

[0:26:18] Voice 6: And it has, in fact, also introduced a host of issues to environmental governance that I believe

[0:26:26] Voice 6: we all need to consider when faced with environmental issues on our island due to

[0:26:32] Voice 6: development and ever escalating development. And I would just like to mention a report I've

[0:26:38] Voice 6: been reading, and I hope this will be mentioned in the minutes. And I hope our trustees, if they

[0:26:43] Voice 6: haven't read this report, will consider it. It's a report done by the Environmental Law Center

[0:26:50] Voice 6: called Professional Reliance and Environmental Regulations in BC. And it was done in 2015,

[0:26:57] Voice 6: But it is still very relevant today. And I just want to read a very, very short piece from that report. And then that will be the end of my comment on that. But it does state that professional reliance, as I've described it, private sector professionals hired by applicants, is fundamentally flawed due to mistaken core premises.

[0:27:22] Voice 6: biases that and and these are that all scientists in a given field are fundamentally the same in

[0:27:30] Voice 6: certain basic ways first their collective knowledge base is essentially congruent

[0:27:35] Voice 6: second their approach to their work is essentially dispassionate and free from bias

[0:27:41] Voice 6: and third non-scientific influences like personal belief funding source employer political priorities

[0:27:50] Voice 6: authorities or broad social norms have no bearing on the outcome of their scientific report

[0:27:56] Voice 6: or their scientific work i'm sorry so i um again that's called professional reliance and

[0:28:04] Voice 6: environmental regulation in bc and i think it's it's it's long but i think it's important reading

[0:28:11] Voice 6: for for all of us and my second um uh comment rather request is and i i have put this forward

[0:28:19] Voice 6: before and I just want to ask again is that I would really like the trustees to consider

[0:28:25] Voice 6: updating the build-out report that I understand was done for the OCP review 2008 to 2011 so I

[0:28:35] Voice 6: believe we have a base build-out report for that period of time and I would hope that it wouldn't

[0:28:43] Voice 6: be too large a project i know how much you all have on your on your plates but too large a project

[0:28:50] Voice 6: to update that build out report um so that we really have a much clearer idea about the already

[0:28:58] Voice 6: zoned for density that our our island is actually faced with so thank you very much thank you uh

[0:29:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): Ms. Margaretson. I'm quite familiar with the controversy around professional reliance.

[0:29:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): Much of the commentary around that relates to both the federal and the provincial government

[0:29:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): and urging them to move away, move back to a non-professional reliance using their own

[0:29:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): scientists. As you can imagine, the Trust Council doesn't have a lot of professionals on staff

[0:29:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): besides planners who are professionals, but it's one of the reasons why we now have a

[0:29:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): freshwater specialist on staff, so that we can try and get at least on some issues that

[0:29:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): some internal advice on those issues. But thank you for your commentary around that.

[0:30:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anybody else who wishes to speak on something

[0:30:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): other than the GALI or the GIGRS application?

[0:30:15] Voice 18: Okay, I'm not seeing any hands.

[0:30:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'm going to sort of,

[0:30:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm actually going to just take a shot at this

[0:30:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): and ask because there may not be,

[0:30:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): is there anybody who wishes to speak to the GALI app,

[0:30:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): the GALI green application before I ask

[0:30:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustee Rockefeller to recuse herself?

[0:30:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes, there is.

[0:30:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): So trustee Rockefeller, I know you've set up.

[0:30:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh yes, go ahead, go ahead.

[0:30:41] Voice 9: I was saying, yeah, I can go.

[0:30:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, okay, sorry.

[0:30:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so if you could move off and I understand you

[0:30:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): and trustee Wolverton have set up a system

[0:30:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): whereby you'll be notified.

[0:30:51] Voice 18: Thank you very much.

[0:30:57] Voice 18: Hey, Mr. Loveridge, you

[0:31:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): could promote Mr. Loveridge.

[0:31:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): I understand you wish to speak to us related

[0:31:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the application that's appearing on our agenda

[0:31:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the first time today other than the delegation last week you should be in a position have you

[0:31:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): been promoted uh yes you have been you you're unmuted you can turn your camera on if you wish

[0:31:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): or not whatever you like no

[0:31:25] Voice 2: i'll leave it off thank you very much i just want to speak on behalf

[0:31:29] Voice 2: of the uh what you call the galliano green application the galley application um in general

[0:31:36] Voice 2: i want to say that there's a housing crisis not only in bc but on galliano island and

[0:31:41] Voice 2: that we do need more housing, we need more non-profit housing so that people can live here

[0:31:46] Voice 2: and I wish to point out that the Galliano Green site is close to all the facilities with an easy

[0:31:54] Voice 2: reach of grocery stores, the fire brigade and the community hall and everything else that people

[0:32:03] Voice 2: would need so that you don't need cars to get everywhere. It's very convenient for everybody

[0:32:08] Voice 2: everybody and it will make everything very much easier for people to live there so i just want to

[0:32:14] Voice 2: put in a good word for the galley application okay

[0:32:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): well thank you for that um i appreciate that

[0:32:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): we are obviously just at the very beginning stages of that and there'll be lots of opportunity for

[0:32:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): commentary related to the galeano green uh as we move it if as and if we move it forward and i want

[0:32:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): to be clear about something i always say as and yet because we make decisions on all of these

[0:32:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): applications effectively each time we consider them um so thank you very much is there anybody

[0:32:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): else that wishes

[0:32:48] Voice 18: to speak on that on the galley okay uh

[0:32:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): not seeing anybody i guess my next

[0:33:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): question is before i ask rusty wolverton to refuse himself is there anybody who wishes to speak on

[0:33:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): on the Giggers application, there is.

[0:33:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): So if I could ask you trustee Wolverton

[0:33:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): to let trustee Rockefeller know that it's okay to come back

[0:33:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): and if you could move off the meeting

[0:33:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we'll

[0:33:24] Voice 18: figure this out.

[0:33:37] Voice 18: And we'll call

[0:33:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): on, you can promote Carmita.

[0:33:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm sorry, I always forget your last name Carmita.

[0:33:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I've seen Mr. Rybak and Ms. Marguson again.

[0:33:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): and so we'll soon as we will get to you in a moment and carmita you're welcome to

[0:33:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh unmute yourself now and also to turn

[0:33:59] Voice 18: your camera on if you wish you did then meet yourself

[0:34:18] Voice 18: there carmita if you unmute yourself again please it's just that little mute button on the bottom

[0:34:26] Voice 18: left there on the screen and if i press now it's

[0:34:35] Voice 4: mute okay

[0:34:36] Voice 12: you're unmuted actually so it's good

[0:34:37] Voice 12: now now

[0:34:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): we can now we can now we can hear you we

[0:34:41] Voice 4: are in news okay thank you and good afternoon

[0:34:45] Voice 4: chair roger and trustees rockefeller i want to ask you something and is related to the wildfire

[0:34:57] Voice 4: hazard assessment so you have listened to me about it because i spoke on the phone with both of you

[0:35:05] Voice 4: Trustee Rockefeller and Chair Rosher, you received letters about it.

[0:35:11] Voice 4: And the first was in the end of January.

[0:35:14] Voice 4: So I would like if you could publicly, that's why I wanted to talk in the town hall,

[0:35:21] Voice 4: if you could tell us if you have decided to have a wildfire hazard assessment request

[0:35:31] Voice 4: or you didn't and your reasons.

[0:35:34] Voice 4: sense? We

[0:35:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): haven't decided to do it, if that answers your question. It would require a motion

[0:35:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): at a local trust committee meeting in which someone put the motion on the table and somebody

[0:36:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): seconded it and we discussed it and passed a motion and asked that it be done. That has not

[0:36:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): occurred okay

[0:36:08] Voice 4: so does that mean that you are it's like saying that you will not ask for the

[0:36:13] Voice 4: wildfire hazard assessment in a way because you are both can present the motion if you want it

[0:36:20] Voice 4: so i will tell for the people to listen the reasons why i think is important one is to know

[0:36:32] Voice 4: how dangerous the fuel load in the community forest is and the potential for an interface

[0:36:39] Voice 4: wildfire and the reason that the heritage forest in reality is different maybe like for all others

[0:36:49] Voice 4: is that the heritage forest has a big wildfire in the website of one of the applicants the galiano

[0:37:00] Voice 4: It says that in July 23rd, 2006, a fire originating on a neighboring property quite quickly spread through the community forest land consuming 79 acres.

[0:37:17] Voice 4: You have 2008 and 2020 management plan of the Heritage Forest Community Forest.

[0:37:31] Voice 4: In this one, Keith Erickson mentioned first the wildfire, and he said that it swept through

[0:37:40] Voice 4: the community's foreign lands.

[0:37:42] Voice 4: Second, in the point 6.5, speak about the danger of it, of the property.

[0:37:53] Voice 4: There is a high risk of fire within the properties during months of low precipitation and warm temperature.

[0:38:01] Voice 4: Few laws within regenerating plantation and recently clear-cut areas of the property are high and are symptomatic of high-intensity wildfire conditions.

[0:38:16] Voice 4: The potential consequence of wildfire within the property is extremely high due to the presence of hydrotransmission lines that serve the southern Vancouver Island.

[0:38:32] Voice 4: Wildfire originating from or spreading through the properties will also pose a threat to neighborhood lands.

[0:38:40] Voice 4: After he speaks of the potential impacts to the property, that means the community forest, stemming from climate change could include longer and more intense drought periods, which in turn may lead to an increased frequency of wildfires.

[0:39:02] Voice 4: you

[0:39:04] Voice 18: receive oh carmena you're just muted there

[0:39:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): carmena you've disappeared you've muted yourself

[0:39:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): again now

[0:39:21] Voice 4: now

[0:39:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): we can hear you are you almost finished please yes

[0:39:26] Voice 4: i know that you already

[0:39:27] Voice 4: listened but it's more for other people so in this letter one thing is he has experience and

[0:39:35] Voice 4: he has worked as a forest tech through bc as a good land for a fighter in his green employee

[0:39:42] Voice 4: by the Ministry of Forests in massive fire,

[0:39:45] Voice 4: is a certified arborist

[0:39:47] Voice 4: and a shoreline power line technician.

[0:39:50] Voice 4: And he said about the conditions that are extreme.

[0:39:57] Voice 4: And that is what they call it,

[0:40:00] Voice 4: that I don't know very well,

[0:40:01] Voice 4: some very term that indicate how easily

[0:40:07] Voice 4: it could happen on the heritage forest.

[0:40:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry i just have to stop you for a moment i've got a call coming in that i need

[0:40:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm

[0:40:16] Voice 4: sorry i don't know what it is just wait

[0:40:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): one minute okay yes

[0:40:20] Voice 4: my

[0:40:38] Voice 18: apologies go ahead

[0:40:40] Voice 4: okay can you speak about the compound issues that make this area very dangerous

[0:40:45] Voice 4: both of you have the letter so i will not enter reading or letter but in the end say all it takes

[0:40:52] Voice 4: is a spark building numerous housing units in the middle of the shack port will add

[0:40:58] Voice 4: at an undue amount of risk and already tenuous situation.

[0:41:03] Voice 4: And I have also from the chief of the South Department here

[0:41:11] Voice 4: and let me see where is it.

[0:41:15] Voice 4: And he wrote,

[0:41:18] Voice 4: there are two generally recognized categories

[0:41:22] Voice 4: regarding threats to ignition.

[0:41:25] Voice 4: Both are human in origin.

[0:41:27] Voice 4: Transient traffic, park visitors, and trail users, and neighboring residential use.

[0:41:36] Voice 4: Well, the community forest has both because the community forest has park visitors.

[0:41:44] Voice 4: And like I wrote to you, they walk there, they hide there, they have illegal camping, they have found cigarette butts, and also they will gather residential ones.

[0:41:56] Voice 4: So all these combined make it so dangerous for the future tenants.

[0:42:04] Voice 4: So I don't understand why at least don't you want to know the level of danger?

[0:42:11] Voice 4: Because I was reading also about duty of care.

[0:42:16] Voice 4: And I

[0:42:16] Voice 4: don't know if that implies...

[0:42:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm going to ask you to wrap it up.

[0:42:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): I have other people waiting.

[0:42:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes.

[0:42:21] Voice 4: Okay. Duty care is the legal responsibility of a person or organization to avoid any behaviors or omissions that could reasonably be foreseen to cause harm to others. And you have it in your OCP. The OCP and land use.

[0:42:40] Voice 4: Thank you. You

[0:42:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't sound like you're wrapping it up. So I'd like you to finish.

[0:42:48] Voice 4: I will ask you again, please think.

[0:42:50] Voice 4: we

[0:42:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): have and we're also aware of what the the referral to the fire department we were aware

[0:42:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the that there is a fire risk assessment map for the galliano and there's a fire response plan

[0:43:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that this area has been assessed um some now granted it's a number of years ago but it

[0:43:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): was assessed as well as well as the whole island so do

[0:43:13] Voice 4: you have the assessment from

[0:43:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): 2010 yes

[0:43:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): I

[0:43:19] Voice 4: see. Do you have it available?

[0:43:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): I believe it's a public document. I don't have it in front of me right now. There's Planner Smith.

[0:43:28] Voice 13: It is a public document and I will get Maple to post it in the folder under the applicant's

[0:43:38] Voice 13: submissions.

[0:43:39] Voice 13: Thank

[0:43:40] Voice 4: you very much.

[0:43:41] Voice 4: It's

[0:43:41] Voice 13: a 2010 document that was produced following the

[0:43:45] Voice 13: the fire season of 2006 and the province at that time injected some funding into those plans

[0:43:51] Voice 13: thank

[0:43:52] Voice 9: you i

[0:43:54] Voice 13: can send it to you directly as well kermita thank

[0:43:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): you i think the next person was

[0:43:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): mr ryback thank

[0:44:13] Voice 23: you mr chair um i'm uh joining the meeting right now as the chair of the galliano

[0:44:20] Voice 23: Parks and Recreation Commission and it was pointed out to me that our response which is on page 350

[0:44:31] Voice 23: of the package for today has an area that may require some clarification. When we responded

[0:44:43] Voice 23: to the referral our second bullet referred to a terminus of the uh georgia view extension

[0:44:56] Voice 23: that second bullet might be uh somewhat amended to say any new terminus of the georgia view

[0:45:04] Voice 23: extension that might be put in place should uh the giggers go ahead oh

[0:45:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): i see okay um did you get that

[0:45:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): brad if

[0:45:20] Voice 13: you want to send me that wording by email directly that would be the easiest way for me to

[0:45:25] Voice 13: capture it accurately and then just

[0:45:27] Voice 23: be any new terminus okay

[0:45:30] Voice 13: any new terminus yeah we can amend

[0:45:32] Voice 13: your it's probably best to get it in writing from you i guess it's

[0:45:35] Voice 23: yes yes indeed if you could just

[0:45:37] Voice 23: send

[0:45:37] Voice 13: it to me that would be easiest and then we can just attach it to your referral your original

[0:45:43] Voice 13: submission that would be great thank you thank you sir

[0:45:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's it okay thank you uh and i believe

[0:45:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry i've changed my screen uh

[0:45:53] Voice 18: jennifer margerson thank

[0:46:05] Voice 6: you very much um and and i would like to

[0:46:07] Voice 6: to support what Carmita has just said as well.

[0:46:11] Voice 6: And we have not been notified about any 2010 documents.

[0:46:15] Voice 6: So it'll be interesting to see that.

[0:46:18] Voice 6: I just wanted to mention a couple of things in going,

[0:46:25] Voice 6: it has come to our attention that in February six,

[0:46:29] Voice 6: dated February 16, 2021,

[0:46:33] Voice 6: that a letter was written from Hy-Geo,

[0:46:37] Voice 6: the hydrologist employed by Giggers to virtually double the estimated demand for the Giggers

[0:46:46] Voice 6: proposed development. And we were not aware of that letter until we saw the regional hydrologist

[0:46:55] Voice 6: report, which included a mention of that letter in the attachments. And so we're still not clear

[0:47:06] Voice 6: what the maximum occupancy of this development will be the letter from Colleen Doty basically

[0:47:14] Voice 6: just states that 32 is not the maximum occupancy but there is no

[0:47:19] Voice 6: figure about what would be the

[0:47:21] Voice 6: maximum occupancy and the the doubling of the estimated um demand for water is is was very

[0:47:30] Voice 6: very surprising to us that is my first point in in connection to that I noted the referral reports

[0:47:40] Voice 6: in the package towards the end of today's agenda package various referral reports and one that the

[0:47:48] Voice 6: trust apparently made to the ministry of forest lands and so on and I had asked if we could

[0:47:56] Voice 6: could actually see that referral report and Planner Smith

[0:48:00] Voice 6: has told me that that is not available for public viewing.

[0:48:06] Voice 6: And I'm not really clear why,

[0:48:10] Voice 6: but given our very serious concerns about water in our area,

[0:48:15] Voice 6: I would be really appreciate being able to see that report

[0:48:19] Voice 6: because it appears that a change has been made

[0:48:23] Voice 6: that perhaps a recommendation for further assessment was made by the trust to the

[0:48:29] Voice 6: commercial water license people the regional hydrologist and it states in the report that

[0:48:37] Voice 6: Mr. Smith has provided in the agenda package that that those additional assessments are

[0:48:43] Voice 6: no longer considered necessary or relevant and I would like some further information on that.

[0:48:51] Voice 6: The other thing that struck me in the agenda package, and I'm sorry, I'm not going to talk about Galliano-Green at all, because I'm very aware that Trustee Rockefeller is there, but I was really struck by the fact that there seemed to be, notwithstanding my comments about professional reports earlier, there seemed to be much more information included in that package.

[0:49:17] Voice 6: and in fact something we have been asking for for the past three years has been done on that

[0:49:24] Voice 6: particular site and that's a data logger on the project well to assess summer water levels and

[0:49:31] Voice 6: I understand that that was done voluntarily but it highlighted for me again that concern that

[0:49:40] Voice 6: that is information we do not have about the the Giggers well there was also a geotechnical report

[0:49:47] Voice 6: report, an environmental assessment by TerraWest Environmental, but I see that staff are

[0:49:53] Voice 6: recommending an additional ecological assessment and architectural drawings, which we, to my

[0:50:01] Voice 6: knowledge, have not seen for Giggers either. So just generally, there seemed to be a lot more

[0:50:07] Voice 6: information, even though, as I understand it, that proposal is further behind than the Giggers

[0:50:15] Voice 6: proposal. And my last question is that I understood there would be an OCP bylaw and trust policy

[0:50:22] Voice 6: statement directive checklist for the Giggers proposal at this meeting, but I didn't see that

[0:50:28] Voice 6: in the package. And I'm just wondering when that might be available.

[0:50:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): So let's address each of the

[0:50:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): questions that you have individually. I just point out, if you look at the package, that you'll see

[0:50:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): that the water management,

[0:50:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): the updated water management plan,

[0:50:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): which may or may not become the actual plan,

[0:50:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): uses the figures 35 and 48 as the occupancy numbers

[0:50:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): in estimating water usage.

[0:51:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so that's been contemplated as potential.

[0:51:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): differential and you'll recall as you because you were part of the meetings I know you were

[0:51:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): where the statement was made and then was corrected that 32 was incorrect and and so

[0:51:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): they were working on a different number and that's one of the reasons I don't know about

[0:51:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): the correspondence you're talking about I don't believe I recall it but in any case I'm going to

[0:51:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): turn to you've asked this your second question was or your first question was why don't you see

[0:51:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): the actual

[0:51:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): Flinro

[0:51:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): response to a referral.

[0:51:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll turn to perhaps Planner Smith

[0:51:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): to answer that question.

[0:51:51] Voice 13: So there's two parts that are being a bit

[0:51:53] Voice 13: confused here. So there's one

[0:51:55] Voice 13: referral where

[0:51:56] Voice 13: the bylaws for the rezoning

[0:51:59] Voice 13: application that we

[0:52:01] Voice 13: are talking about here

[0:52:02] Voice 13: are sent to the

[0:52:04] Voice 13: the agencies for feedback and so the results of the feedback that was originally provided by the

[0:52:12] Voice 13: water management branch of FLNRO was provided to us and that is where the two statements that

[0:52:19] Voice 13: Jennifer is referring to with respect to potential interference and the other piece

[0:52:25] Voice 13: subsequent to that they issued their technical memo which is part of the the application

[0:52:34] Voice 13: materials that technical memo I then subsequently confirmed with the water management branch the

[0:52:40] Voice 13: review of that and the findings that there were no concerns around well interference

[0:52:46] Voice 13: or issuing of the water license and the only piece that was raised was the concern around

[0:52:53] Voice 13: around best practices for saltwater intrusion.

[0:52:57] Voice 13: I confirmed with Tanya, perhaps only verbally,

[0:53:01] Voice 13: I'm not sure if there's a written statement,

[0:53:04] Voice 13: but that those statements no longer apply,

[0:53:09] Voice 13: which she confirmed is true.

[0:53:12] Voice 13: The other referral she's speaking to is FLNRO

[0:53:15] Voice 13: as part of their water application license

[0:53:19] Voice 13: since has sent out their referrals to agencies including the Islands Trust to which staff have

[0:53:27] Voice 13: provided feedback to them with respect to the application and typically we would share that

[0:53:34] Voice 13: with the province and it would be their task then to disseminate their referral responses that they

[0:53:42] Voice 13: received rather than trust staff also sending that information out publicly prior to the province

[0:53:50] Voice 13: having a opportunity to even digest that information and clarify it so as to not get out

[0:53:57] Voice 13: ahead of the referring agency with our public sending out of those referral comments.

[0:54:08] Voice 13: if that helps to clarify um

[0:54:12] Voice 6: it does there

[0:54:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): was one more question related to the ocp and the um

[0:54:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): the checklist uh yep

[0:54:20] Voice 13: i can speak to that as well so uh that's always always intended to be brought

[0:54:25] Voice 13: back when uh we seek additional direction uh the information that's provided in this agenda is just

[0:54:33] Voice 13: a staff memo with no specific recommendations for local trust committees so uh that will be

[0:54:40] Voice 13: brought forward at the next meeting when uh other pieces are also brought forward

[0:54:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's be clear about that planner smith when you say the next meeting you mean the next meeting

[0:54:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): that there's when there's an actual correct

[0:54:52] Voice 13: sorry not necessarily july 5th but when a future staff

[0:54:57] Voice 13: staff report when they have other items. We're still working on the water management plan

[0:55:05] Voice 13: and we're still working on the housing agreement, of course. So there's a number of other items that

[0:55:09] Voice 13: are still in play as well before the application will be brought back to LTC and I can't speak to

[0:55:15] Voice 13: necessarily the timeline of that.

[0:55:16] Voice 6: Okay, just further to that. Thank you very much for that

[0:55:20] Voice 6: information. But just further to that, I would like to ask, put a request forward that a data

[0:55:27] Voice 6: logger on the project well and perhaps on the observation well that was used for the test in

[0:55:34] Voice 6: december of 2018 be placed um as it had be required by the trustees um i understand you didn't request

[0:55:44] Voice 6: that of the galliano green group but nevertheless that has been done and that seems to be a very

[0:55:51] Voice 6: important piece of information that we have been repeatedly been asking for it

[0:55:56] Voice 6: was a recommendation in the peer review that we had done of the high geo report

[0:56:02] Voice 6: and there is commentary in the high geo report about the fact that when the flow

[0:56:09] Voice 6: test was done it was done at a very wet time of year when precipitation levels

[0:56:15] Voice 6: when water levels were at a historic high.

[0:56:20] Voice 6: So we continue to ask for that.

[0:56:22] Voice 6: And we have continued to make that statement

[0:56:24] Voice 6: to the commercial water license people as well.

[0:56:28] Voice 6: So I'm.

[0:56:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, thank you.

[0:56:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): We've got your request.

[0:56:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): We understand it.

[0:56:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we'll be talking about the staff report

[0:56:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): when we get to that on the agenda, but sorry.

[0:56:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'm not trying to cut you off.

[0:56:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm just saying, I understand your request.

[0:56:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there something else you'd like to address the LTC on?

[0:56:47] Voice 6: Thank you very much.

[0:56:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thanks, Ms. Marks.

[0:56:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): I saw one other hand up.

[0:56:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): I actually see two more hands up now.

[0:56:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): Could I ask you in each case of particularly

[0:56:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): our media would be brief, Ms.

[0:57:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think it's Laurie CA or say,

[0:57:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm not sure how to pronounce the last name.

[0:57:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): I apologize if I've mispronounced it.

[0:57:14] Voice 18: And you should be

[0:57:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): able to unmute yourself now.

[0:57:19] Voice 20: thanks chair rogers just want to make a comment about the how the final occupancy numbers i've

[0:57:26] Voice 20: been involved in the governance of two um housing for non-profit for years and the final occupancy

[0:57:35] Voice 20: numbers are set federally the standards are set and so for example a two-bedroom unit may

[0:57:41] Voice 20: may be considered appropriately housing two people, or it may be appropriately housing

[0:57:47] Voice 20: two adults and two children under the age of six. So I just encourage people to remember that the

[0:57:54] Voice 20: final occupancy number is a snapshot in time of the residence of that development. My question

[0:58:01] Voice 20: is for the residents of the neighborhood.

[0:58:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sorry, my question. Well, actually, this is an opportunity

[0:58:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): for you to be asking questions of your of other community members sure i will

[0:58:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): you can ask ask a

[0:58:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): question

[0:58:17] Voice 20: fair i'd encourage the trust to consider um if we're in a position where we're going to ask

[0:58:25] Voice 20: the non-profit society to install and i don't know if you guys understand the financial impact

[0:58:30] Voice 20: of installing a gray water management system in a development with 12 units but it will be very

[0:58:35] Voice 20: significant and doing some kind of um logging i forget what the term is called

[0:58:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): a data logger

[0:58:44] Voice 20: i

[0:58:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): can't hear you anymore miss thing oh i'm sorry you need to yeah whatever you're doing

[0:58:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't turn your head away from your microphone um

[0:58:55] Voice 20: i haven't moved so it must be a problem with

[0:58:58] Voice 20: the internet can you hear me now thank you yes

[0:59:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): we can hear you very clearly you said

[0:59:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): I

[0:59:04] Voice 20: would encourage, then my comment is to encourage the trust, the LTC, to implement data logging and water use management, not just for this very specific site, but to consider that as a more island or neighborhood wide or places where there are these kind of awful water issues to have private residences and businesses and STBRs also install those items.

[0:59:33] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:59:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah. And can I just say, thank you for that commentary. Can I just say, you know, there's a part of me, and I'm not giving away any of you that would wish to be able to have that kind of authority to do.

[0:59:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, generally, what we're doing here is considering an application and because we have a discretion around whether to grant the rezoning or not, we have certain

[1:00:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): to ask for certain things which we don't if there is not a rezoning or a development variance

[1:00:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): a request for us so um but i hear you i totally hear you could

[1:00:13] Voice 20: i ask a quick follow-up question

[1:00:15] Voice 20: very short chair rogers then is there a mechanism maybe this conversation is not the place maybe

[1:00:21] Voice 20: it's inside of the stdr conversation where things like tops would be issued or use permits would

[1:00:28] Voice 20: would only be issued to STVRs that did things

[1:00:30] Voice 20: like data logging on their STVRs?

[1:00:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, as you know, our temporary use permit

[1:00:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): is no longer available for STVRs.

[1:00:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): Or maybe you don't know that.

[1:00:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): And there were conditions put in because again,

[1:00:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's a discretion that we have in terms of

[1:00:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): whether to grant it to UP or not.

[1:00:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we set out, actually the previous local trust committee

[1:00:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): set out a series of policy guidelines and said,

[1:00:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you're going to get one,

[1:00:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): you have to put in a cistern if you're in a water management area i think that's what it was

[1:01:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): and uh so yes but those again was another scenario where we had yes trustee rockefeller um

[1:01:08] Voice 9: i want to

[1:01:08] Voice 9: just uh tell me how much i appreciate her last comment there and that i think it's a good

[1:01:14] Voice 9: community discussion to start having and maybe we can somehow roll that into our water project that

[1:01:18] Voice 9: we're currently working on so thank you very much thanks

[1:01:22] Voice 20: tahira and i would just like to say thank

[1:01:24] Voice 20: you to our trustee rockefeller for her uh recent presence in the forest on behalf of all galliano

[1:01:32] Voice 20: residents i'm sure i speak for all of us when i say thank you to her

[1:01:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay so let me just keep

[1:01:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): moving i'd like to get finished with town hall and i see we have two second time speakers carmita

[1:01:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): please

[1:01:42] Voice 18: be brief can you hear me now yes

[1:01:55] Voice 25: we can okay

[1:01:56] Voice 4: for brad smith planner smith

[1:01:58] Voice 4: The referral that I would like to see is the one that the Island Trust sent to the Ministry of Foreign Lands and Rural Development, where it mentioned the test for well interference and in other tests.

[1:02:21] Voice 4: That's one of the ones that I would like to read.

[1:02:24] Voice 4: okay so

[1:02:26] Voice 4: can i ask

[1:02:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): you to do this carmina could you maybe make that request that you heard planner

[1:02:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): smith it personally to him and you you heard mr planner smith say we don't release the referrals

[1:02:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): we send to other agencies that that they've because of course there's two things going on

[1:02:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): here there's our process where we refer bylaws out and then there's the well application um uh

[1:02:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): license water license application that is referred to us so we're the we're the if you will the

[1:02:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): inverse referring agency and uh so it's not our referral process but and he i'm sure trust

[1:03:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): planner smith can clarify for for you what it is he can release and what he can't because it's not

[1:03:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): our referral material okay could you do that could you do that directly yes i

[1:03:16] Voice 4: can and mr smith wants

[1:03:19] Voice 4: to talk i see that

[1:03:21] Voice 13: is that okay chair rogers yes

[1:03:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): go ahead thank

[1:03:25] Voice 13: you sir uh i was just going to add

[1:03:27] Voice 13: that um um it's not typical i uh am seeking advice from rpm kojima with respect to whether

[1:03:37] Voice 13: that is something routinely released or not uh so it's just a matter of process there's certainly

[1:03:42] Voice 13: nothing in the straightforward bullets that we said to effle and earl that would be of any

[1:03:46] Voice 13: real issue with respect to the well interference component again i think there's some confusion

[1:03:53] Voice 13: there with the two referral processes and that those comments came from flnro and then were

[1:04:00] Voice 13: clarified to not no longer be valid based on their uh assessment work done after they provided that

[1:04:09] Voice 13: initial referral feedback on the rezoning applicants thank you and

[1:04:14] Voice 4: the second is well

[1:04:16] Voice 4: i will do it after in the last town hall because it's about the water management plan for giga

[1:04:24] Voice 4: you

[1:04:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): have a comment about that uh

[1:04:29] Voice 4: yes it's about the water management plan that

[1:04:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're that's on

[1:04:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): our agenda today

[1:04:35] Voice 4: yes okay

[1:04:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh you want to wait to the second town hall to try if it's better for you

[1:04:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): I wait well I depends how long it is Carmina well

[1:04:45] Voice 4: in short it's just that for you to consider that in

[1:04:50] Voice 4: the that water management plan when talk about indoor water demand and the flow it compared

[1:05:01] Voice 4: numbers with CRD and the main island I think place that they have the community water

[1:05:11] Voice 4: And also they say they use the data from a similar development in Main Island.

[1:05:18] Voice 4: Now, the question is why they don't consider the data of our community water system,

[1:05:27] Voice 4: Esticalison, that is only 1.6 kilometers.

[1:05:32] Voice 4: And instead, they consider one from Main Island.

[1:05:35] Voice 4: I know why.

[1:05:38] Voice 4: I know because it's much lower the use of water in the main island community water.

[1:05:43] Voice 4: While in Estical, we also pay for water.

[1:05:47] Voice 4: We pay for water if we use more.

[1:05:49] Voice 4: It's better, but we have more use.

[1:05:53] Voice 4: So the water management plan decides not to consider our water use,

[1:05:59] Voice 4: even when we are 1.6 kilometers from them.

[1:06:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have

[1:06:03] Voice 4: to consider that.

[1:06:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you.

[1:06:06] Voice 4: You're welcome.

[1:06:09] Voice 18: I

[1:06:22] Voice 5: just wanted

[1:06:24] Voice 6: to clarify a little bit based on Lori C's remarks that of course, you know,

[1:06:33] Voice 6: we are in favor of monitoring on all wells.

[1:06:37] Voice 6: I think that's an important way of everyone monitoring their water usage, but I didn't

[1:06:43] Voice 6: make any reference to water and with with my direct reference to the data logger was simply

[1:06:50] Voice 6: that that be installed and there have been three summers available with which to do this

[1:06:57] Voice 6: on the project test well and and i would like to see them on our well and a couple of other wells

[1:07:04] Voice 6: that are very close to the project test well to really get a very clear picture of the water

[1:07:10] Voice 6: levels during our very dry season. That is one of the specific pieces of information that is missing

[1:07:18] Voice 6: and there seems to be a very strange kind of theoretical science going on here both with

[1:07:25] Voice 6: the Hygeia report and the regional hydrologist report where there's absolutely no investigation

[1:07:31] Voice 6: or even recognition of actual problems on the ground. It's all theory but nobody has

[1:07:40] Voice 6: wanted to even investigate or speak with us about well interference already occurring as well as

[1:07:48] Voice 6: well failure during the dry season in this very neighborhood in in the neighborhood that is

[1:07:55] Voice 6: is very close to the well for the affordable housing development and i just find that very

[1:08:02] Voice 6: very peculiar that actual empirical evidence of water problems is not even being recognized or

[1:08:10] Voice 6: investigated you know to the extent that a data logger would be put on that well before any

[1:08:16] Voice 6: decision is made about a commercial water license and on adjacent wells are well included to see

[1:08:23] Voice 6: what really happens during the long dry season and this just seems to me to be a very practical

[1:08:29] Voice 6: thing to do to give people assurance including the funders of the affordable housing proposed

[1:08:38] Voice 6: development and the people who have been working so hard to make that a reality you don't want to

[1:08:47] Voice 6: have an affordable housing development that is having water problems so

[1:08:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think that's one place

[1:08:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): that you would all agree on yeah thank

[1:08:55] Voice 5: you very much thank

[1:08:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): you all

[1:08:59] Voice 18: right i'm not seeing any

[1:09:00] Voice 18: other hand uh chair rogers you're muted

[1:09:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry um i'd like to so i don't see any other hands

[1:09:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh so i'm going to request that i'm going to suggest that we move on in the agenda so um

[1:09:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh we're about to head into a community information meeting and a and a public hearing

[1:09:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): related to a technical review project so if we could get um so i think uh trustee rockefeller

[1:09:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): are you going to bring trustee wolverton back there's no there's planner smith so as soon as

[1:09:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): we get uh and thank you for all the commentary uh as soon as we get um trustee wolverton back

[1:09:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): with us we'll move on to the cim uh just so you know uh what we'll be doing is fire smith will

[1:09:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): be outlining community information community information meetings are are your opportunity

[1:09:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): to ask any further questions related to a particular proposed bylaw to get your questions

[1:10:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): answered. And then there will be following that, there will be the formal public hearing

[1:10:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): where you can make any submissions or commentary you wish to make related to the proposed bylaws

[1:10:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): that are in our agenda package and will be presented to you. So welcome back, Trustee

[1:10:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): of Wolverton. We're at number six of the agenda, which is the community information meeting related

[1:10:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): to bylaw number 278. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Planner Smith to make his

[1:10:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): presentation, and then we'll open it up for any questions or clarification, and then we'll move

[1:10:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): into the public. Go ahead, Planner Smith.

[1:10:50] Voice 13: Thank you, Chair Rogers. There really isn't a lot to

[1:10:52] Voice 13: present we've been working on this project for a number of months now technical amendments to the

[1:10:58] Voice 13: land use bylaw to address inconsistencies such as spelling errors numbering issues

[1:11:08] Voice 13: minor wording changes to provide further clarity the scope of the bylaws is technical in nature

[1:11:15] Voice 13: and there is therefore no real significant impact

[1:11:21] Voice 13: of the changes on actual regulatory measures themselves.

[1:11:28] Voice 13: And we've had very little public input or feedback to date

[1:11:33] Voice 13: on the changes other than a few useful pieces of feedback

[1:11:39] Voice 13: early in the process that resulted in a few amendments

[1:11:43] Voice 13: amendments to the draft bylaws.

[1:11:45] Voice 13: So I think I will just leave it there

[1:11:47] Voice 13: and pass it back to you Chair Rogers

[1:11:49] Voice 13: for any questions and answers from the public.

[1:11:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): So the public hearing binder has been on the website

[1:11:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): for a while, it's under the application section.

[1:12:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): The new proposed bylaws are there,

[1:12:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): the amendments are there

[1:12:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): and all the previous staff reports are present.

[1:12:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): So does anybody have any questions and not comments,

[1:12:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): but questions that they wish to ask

[1:12:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): with clarification at this point.

[1:12:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Just raise your hand and I'll call upon you.

[1:12:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, I'm not seeing anyone.

[1:12:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): So with that, we'll deem the community information meeting

[1:12:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): to be concluded.

[1:12:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you for that, Planner Smith.

[1:12:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): And you're going to have to bear with me for a moment

[1:12:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): because the public hearing,

[1:12:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): the formalities of a public hearing require me

[1:12:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): me to read a relatively elongated script

[1:12:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): and follow a particular procedure.

[1:12:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): I apologize for that might be a good,

[1:12:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you're not particularly keen on this part of the agenda,

[1:12:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): it might be a good time to go get a coffee or a cup of tea.

[1:13:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): So the public hearing for proposed by-law 278 is now open.

[1:13:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): I wish to welcome everyone in attendance

[1:13:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): and acknowledge we're meeting the territory

[1:13:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the Coastal First Nations.

[1:13:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): My name is trustee vice chair, Dan Rogers,

[1:13:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I'm the chair of the Galeano Local Trust Committee.

[1:13:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'd like to introduce and I would introduce

[1:13:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): the Galeano Local Trust Committee trustees

[1:13:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Tahira Rockefeller and Jane Wilbert.

[1:13:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): I've already introduced the staff,

[1:13:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): trip class planner, Brad Smith,

[1:13:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the minute taker and recorder, Carly Bilney.

[1:13:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): This public hearing is being convened pursuant

[1:13:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): to section 465 of the Local Government Act

[1:13:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): in order to consider the following proposed bylaw.

[1:13:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Proposed bylaw number 278 cited as Galeano land use

[1:13:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): bylaw 127 1999 amendment number one 2021 all persons who believe that their interest in

[1:13:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): property is affected by the proposed bylaw be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard or

[1:13:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): present written submissions respecting matters contained in the proposed bylaw those wishing to

[1:14:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): speak should commence their presentation by clearly stating their name and address

[1:14:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): members of the local trust committee may if they wish ask questions of you following your

[1:14:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): presentation however the main function of the local trust committee members is to listen to

[1:14:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): the views of the public not the function of the committee members to debate the merits of the

[1:14:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): proposed bylaws with individual citizens everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[1:14:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): and none should feel discouraged from presenting their his or her views uh their views as much

[1:14:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): that should read now uh and considering the proposed bylaws the local trust committee has

[1:14:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): received documents which may influence this decision those those documents are available

[1:14:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): for review during this hearing on our website and as indicated in the public hearing notice

[1:14:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): any person who wishes to present a written submission of the local trust committee

[1:14:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): may do so and all written submissions must be referred received by the local trust committee

[1:14:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): before the close of the hearing maple i'm correct it goes to um south ph sub or south

[1:15:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): very

[1:15:05] Voice 12: close it's a vic ph sub at islandstrust.bc.ca so

[1:15:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's vic ph sub at and the regular extension

[1:15:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): of our of our um islandstrust.bc.ca and i'll ask maple before we close the public hearing whether

[1:15:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): we received any commentary uh after this public public hearing the local trust uh may without

[1:15:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): without further notice,

[1:15:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): make whatever decision it deems proper

[1:15:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): with respect to the bylaws

[1:15:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): that are subject to public hearing.

[1:15:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Planner Blanchbiss will now summarize

[1:15:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): the public hearing notice,

[1:15:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): key points to the bylaw and the referral agency response.

[1:15:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): Over to you, Planner.

[1:15:48] Voice 13: Thank you, Chair Rogers.

[1:15:50] Voice 13: So I have a bit of a spiel as well.

[1:15:52] Voice 13: So please bear with me.

[1:15:53] Voice 13: A copy of this notice was, or sorry,

[1:15:59] Voice 13: the purpose of proposed bylaw number 278

[1:16:01] Voice 13: is to conduct a technical review

[1:16:03] Voice 13: of the galliano island land use bylaw number 127 199 lub along with associated schedules and to

[1:16:10] Voice 13: propose technical amendments for local trust communities consideration a technical review

[1:16:15] Voice 13: of the land use bylaw has been on the list of ltc projects since july 2014. in april 2020 ltc

[1:16:22] Voice 13: identified a technical review of the lub as a top priority project and instructed staff to develop a

[1:16:29] Voice 13: Project Charter. The proposed bylaw refers to the CRD, Gambier, Maine, Salt, Spring, and Thetis

[1:16:36] Voice 13: local trust communities for comment. It was also referred to Cowichan tribes, Halal First Nation,

[1:16:42] Voice 13: Lake Cowichan First Tribe, Laiakson First Nation, Malahat First Nation, Musqueam, Indian Bend,

[1:16:46] Voice 13: Paquichin First Nation, Penelakut Tribe, Semiamu First Nation, Stunamu First Nation,

[1:16:53] Voice 13: First Nations, first name, say out for his name,

[1:16:55] Voice 13: decision to Austin First Nation,

[1:16:57] Voice 13: second First Nation and leadership council for comment.

[1:17:01] Voice 13: That was a mouthful.

[1:17:03] Voice 13: There's a copy of the complete public hearing binder

[1:17:05] Voice 13: available during this public hearing.

[1:17:07] Voice 13: You've caught that part and you'll ask me

[1:17:10] Voice 13: about the submissions received in a minute.

[1:17:12] Voice 13: Thanks.

[1:17:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): So as I said, submissions can be made.

[1:17:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): If they're received, we'll pause prior to the closing

[1:17:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): closing of to ensure that the ltc has time to review those submissions again it's vic ph sub

[1:17:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): at islands trust.cbc.ca i invent best invite members of the public who wish to speak to

[1:17:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): raise their hands please state your name after your presentation uh to the ltc the trustees may

[1:17:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): ask you questions but they're primarily here to listen will not debate i will call three times

[1:17:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): for speakers before closing the hearing at which point no further written or oral submissions

[1:17:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): made. So the first question is, does anybody wish to speak? So for the first time, I'll ask,

[1:18:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): does anybody wish to speak to bylaw number 278? Please raise your hand in the bottom of your

[1:18:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): screen and speak. So then I'll ask for a second time, whether there's anybody who wishes to

[1:18:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): to address, to speak to this bylaw.

[1:18:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then I'll ask for a third time,

[1:18:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): whether there's anybody who wished to speak to the bylaw,

[1:18:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): proposed bylaw.

[1:18:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Not seeing any hands, I will ask,

[1:18:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): I've already asked the first, second and third time.

[1:18:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'll ask whether there are any

[1:18:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): written public submissions.

[1:18:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Have either Planner Smith or the Maple Hung knows about.

[1:19:02] Voice 13: we have received no public permission or submissions as of today's date a copy of

[1:19:08] Voice 13: the notice for the public hearing was advertised in two consecutive editions of the driftwood

[1:19:13] Voice 13: on may 19th and may 26 2021 and all notification all notification requirements under the local

[1:19:21] Voice 13: government act have been completed thank

[1:19:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): you and maple has anybody written anything

[1:19:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): i

[1:19:28] Voice 12: know i'm just checking it right now there have been no submissions as of now

[1:19:31] Voice 12: Okay.

[1:19:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, as I indicated, once I close the hearing, no additional submissions will be accepted,

[1:19:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): and as a result, having seen no submissions, I'm going to close the public hearing. Thank you very

[1:19:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): much for attending. Please be advised we are now in the post-public hearing stage of the legislative

[1:19:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): review of proposed by-law 278. We can now no longer receive information pertaining to the

[1:20:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): the proposed by-law, however, you can still submit

[1:20:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): any outstanding questions and comments

[1:20:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): directly to the planner.

[1:20:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): We may give further readings to the by-law

[1:20:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): or defeat or make minor amendments

[1:20:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): that do not affect the user density

[1:20:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): without further notice.

[1:20:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): So thank you very much.

[1:20:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's the end of the public hearing.

[1:20:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'm going to move back into the agenda.

[1:20:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): Does anybody need a break?

[1:20:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): I know you both had a bit of a break,

[1:20:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): but do any of the plan, the trustees need a break?

[1:20:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): No?

[1:20:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): You're okay, Leonard Smith,

[1:20:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): before we start through the agenda?

[1:20:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): Good.

[1:20:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we're at page four of the agenda,

[1:20:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is the local meetings from,

[1:20:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry, the local trust committee meetings

[1:20:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): from April the 12th.

[1:20:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Does anybody have anything they wish to amend or,

[1:20:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes, Trustee Wilkie.

[1:20:55] Voice 11: I was identified as the chair.

[1:20:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh.

[1:21:01] Voice 11: on on the very first and where it says members present yeah you

[1:21:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): are i i i uh i'd be happy

[1:21:12] Voice 18: no i'm kidding okay

[1:21:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh yeah so that could be trades change to local trustee

[1:21:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): anything else for the minutes okay nothing from trustee rockefeller then we'll if we can make

[1:21:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): that amendment please uh early and we'll move those we'll adopt those minutes as amended uh

[1:21:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have, there are, there is a resolution without meeting

[1:21:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): and this is a process whereby we can pass a resolution

[1:21:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): without actually meeting with this

[1:21:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the information of public.

[1:21:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): We aren't allowed, if we do this, we can't date it.

[1:21:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we don't actually discuss it,

[1:21:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): but the message was the motion was made and passed

[1:21:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): and it's here for your information.

[1:21:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we made that motion on April the 21st.

[1:21:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): the next item on the agenda is the advisory planning commission meeting minutes

[1:22:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): dated may the 12th these are here for our information we do not have a report back yet

[1:22:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the apc so we these are simply here for our information for public discourse

[1:22:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): is there any questions or issues arising from either of the trustees related to those

[1:22:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): I only have one question does anybody know if they acted that if the APC actually met on May

[1:22:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): 21st I was just curious and I'm guessing Carly might know the answer because she's the resort

[1:22:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): courting secretary did they can did they go on and meet on May the 21st

[1:22:42] Voice 8: yes they did share and

[1:22:43] Voice 8: they're also going to meet this Thursday at 7 p.m.

[1:22:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you very much so we'll undoubtedly hear back

[1:22:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the APC at some point with that particular report.

[1:22:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): So the next item is the follow-up action list,

[1:22:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is our recording of motions

[1:23:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): or directions given to staff over the last,

[1:23:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): well, they start in February

[1:23:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): and through to our last three meetings, it looks like.

[1:23:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): Are there any questions?

[1:23:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there anything you want to flag Planner Smith

[1:23:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): or if there are any questions from trustees?

[1:23:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): No, nothing from you plan Smith,

[1:23:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): nothing from the trustees.

[1:23:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't see anything.

[1:23:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's here for our information.

[1:23:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): We can see a number of things completed

[1:23:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and a number of things that are still in progress.

[1:23:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): The next item on the agenda is a letter

[1:23:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the capital regional district.

[1:23:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I take it as an information item

[1:23:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): as opposed to anything else,

[1:23:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): but uh it's about a a southern gulf islands transportation integration plan that's the

[1:23:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): project i gathered they're working on i saw this on main island in may um yeah oh

[1:23:58] Voice 12: excuse me jerry

[1:23:59] Voice 12: rudders um justine stark is here in the attendee side

[1:24:02] Voice 12: if you'd like her to oh yeah i didn't

[1:24:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): hear

[1:24:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): that justine was coming yeah

[1:24:08] Voice 12: yeah yeah she said she was going to try to come so that's great she's

[1:24:12] Voice 12: here right now um and she can speak to it and answer questions for the trustees

[1:24:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that okay

[1:24:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): with the trustees that uh we let uh trustee i assume

[1:24:21] Voice 11: it was a delegation so i assumed that

[1:24:24] Voice 11: they would

[1:24:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh i'm sorry i didn't even notice it was a delegation i thought it was correspondence

[1:24:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): my complete apologies to justine i just got too much going on so i just justine stark i'm sorry

[1:24:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): for that oh

[1:24:37] Voice 15: that's um through the chair um i i do have a thank you i have a a brief delegation

[1:24:46] Voice 15: um to introduce to the galliano local trust committee as well as the community of galliano

[1:24:52] Voice 15: uh the transportation service planning project that uh we're working on in the southern gulf

[1:24:58] Voice 15: islands administration division of the capital regional district so we have engaged what

[1:25:05] Voice 15: out consulting to work with our team of local liaisons to develop service model options for

[1:25:11] Voice 15: an integrated transportation service to serve the southern gulf islands so this is a multi-modal

[1:25:16] Voice 15: proposal that would include public transit active transportation networks and inter-island

[1:25:21] Voice 15: passenger ferries and the idea would be able to travel seamlessly over between through the islands

[1:25:27] Voice 15: without a single occupancy vehicle and we're in the um we're coming here today because we're just

[1:25:32] Voice 15: in the beginning of the process we've struck three transportation advisory groups with a

[1:25:37] Voice 15: focus on each transportation mode and we've had meetings with those sectoral representatives

[1:25:42] Voice 15: already and mostly community groups from each island and we're doing this because

[1:25:51] Voice 15: we've been requested by the Southern Gulf Islands Community Economic Sustainability Commission

[1:25:57] Voice 15: commission to create a transportation commission and so the CESC is a commission that has

[1:26:05] Voice 15: representatives from each of the southern gulf islands so your galliano representative is mike

[1:26:09] Voice 15: cobell and when we received when the crd board received this request for a transportation

[1:26:15] Voice 15: commission we took it as a request for a transportation service and i've been working

[1:26:22] Voice 15: with the economic sustainability commission on this all along but basically the way a regional

[1:26:27] Voice 15: district works is you can't have a commission without having a service for the commission to

[1:26:33] Voice 15: oversee so commissions are governance bodies that advise on service delivery and they're usually

[1:26:42] Voice 15: comprised of locally appointed advisors so to have a commission you need to establish a service

[1:26:49] Voice 15: and so the goal of our study is to cost out and scope an integrated service to a level of detail

[1:26:56] Voice 15: which would any which would enable that service establishment so you need to have voter assent

[1:27:03] Voice 15: in order to establish a service under a regional district and so we're gearing this project to be

[1:27:09] Voice 15: wrapped up by the end of December 2021 and to go to the community with a referendum question

[1:27:18] Voice 15: on the general ballot of the general election

[1:27:21] Voice 15: in October, 2022.

[1:27:25] Voice 15: So this is basically up to the voters

[1:27:29] Voice 15: of the Southern Gulf Islands

[1:27:30] Voice 15: on whether or not to support a transportation service.

[1:27:34] Voice 15: And so the three modes of transportation,

[1:27:41] Voice 15: one being public transit,

[1:27:42] Voice 15: I know on Galliano you did have a community bus operating.

[1:27:46] Voice 15: So it's a good example of where it's just

[1:27:48] Voice 15: There are community bus systems on each of the islands

[1:27:52] Voice 15: or have been as recent pilot projects

[1:27:55] Voice 15: and they struggle with operating funding.

[1:27:58] Voice 15: They struggle to pay drivers to have consistent

[1:28:00] Voice 15: and deliver sustainable service.

[1:28:02] Voice 15: And so part of the request, I think stems from that need

[1:28:06] Voice 15: for some ongoing operating funding

[1:28:10] Voice 15: to make a public transit service viable

[1:28:12] Voice 15: on the small islands.

[1:28:14] Voice 15: And the active transportation component is about interconnecting existing trail systems and providing routing through each island that would enable like cycling as a transportation option rather than just a recreational activity.

[1:28:35] Voice 15: and the the water the passenger ferry service is looking at how the islands can be connected

[1:28:45] Voice 15: other than BC ferries so to supplement BC ferries and enable islanders to say maybe work on main

[1:28:51] Voice 15: island and and live on Galliano island or you just enable inter-island travel in a way that's

[1:29:00] Voice 15: integrated with a public system so when you arrive on the island you've got you know a bus to pick

[1:29:04] Voice 15: you up or you can take your bike on a on a network um to get you to where you want to go

[1:29:09] Voice 15: and so again this is the regional district is uniquely positioned to be able to provide an

[1:29:16] Voice 15: overall um i guess like a a administration of an integrated service throughout the islands and so

[1:29:25] Voice 15: we're this is a big it's a big project and so we're costing out um some different options for

[1:29:31] Voice 15: for what the service model would look like.

[1:29:33] Voice 15: And we'll be going to general community engagement

[1:29:36] Voice 15: on those ideas in the fall.

[1:29:38] Voice 15: So we're, like I say, we're just at the beginning of this.

[1:29:41] Voice 15: And so part of us making the community aware

[1:29:44] Voice 15: is coming to the local trust committee meetings

[1:29:46] Voice 15: and presenting it to the NCC,

[1:29:48] Voice 15: presenting it to the community.

[1:29:50] Voice 15: And we're engaging stakeholders

[1:29:53] Voice 15: like other government agencies,

[1:29:54] Voice 15: Ministry of Transportation, BC Transit, BC Ferries,

[1:29:58] Voice 15: the parks.

[1:30:00] Voice 15: commissions and their trail networks so we're doing that kind of early bit now so that when

[1:30:05] Voice 15: we go to the community in the fall we'll have a basis of information from which to speak from

[1:30:09] Voice 15: um so yeah i think i think that was maybe less less than the short presentation that i promised

[1:30:16] Voice 15: but um i'm pleased to answer any questions that the the committee might have thanks very much

[1:30:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): But do either of the trustees have any questions for Justine?

[1:30:29] Voice 11: I just have a question, Justine.

[1:30:31] Voice 11: Are you focusing more on the residents of the islands or on tourists or both?

[1:30:38] Voice 15: On both, essentially.

[1:30:40] Voice 15: We want to design a service that meets the needs of residents predominantly.

[1:30:45] Voice 15: But I understand, but there's also a huge seasonal influx of visitors to the islands,

[1:30:51] Voice 15: which puts a strain on the existing infrastructure,

[1:30:55] Voice 15: overloads ferries and whatnot.

[1:30:57] Voice 15: So gearing, especially I think gearing

[1:30:59] Voice 15: some of the active transportation to visitors

[1:31:02] Voice 15: would alleviate some of the congestion

[1:31:05] Voice 15: that we see on the ferry.

[1:31:06] Voice 15: So both.

[1:31:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[1:31:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I guess my only question is,

[1:31:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): do you need anything specifically from us or the community

[1:31:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): or would you wait for the community engagement piece

[1:31:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the fall to get that kind of input?

[1:31:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): point yeah

[1:31:24] Voice 15: for for now i'm just presenting this so that you're aware of it so you're not like hey

[1:31:28] Voice 15: what's the crd doing and why didn't they talk to us and then also just to maybe start a buzz in the

[1:31:34] Voice 15: community so that um if people are interested in engaging us before we're you know going out

[1:31:40] Voice 15: and engaging you um they can do so we've got a website um i put some information attached to

[1:31:48] Voice 15: the delegation that went out in the agenda and it's got our website there and there's a subscribe

[1:31:51] Voice 15: button so interested community members can sign up and then get emails to update have updates

[1:31:57] Voice 15: about the process as it moves along and hopefully we'll have some in-person meetings but we've also

[1:32:03] Voice 15: planned to have an online interactive platform for community mapping and other engagement

[1:32:10] Voice 15: given that it's not for sure that we will be able to meet in person

[1:32:14] Voice 11: i think it's great to i think

[1:32:19] Voice 11: is great to have to look at it in an integrated way and that hasn't really happened before okay

[1:32:28] Voice 15: good well thank you for your time today thank you

[1:32:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): very much i apologize for uh missing that

[1:32:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): you were a trusted delegation it was great and thanks for letting the community know and the

[1:32:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): work that you're doing and look forward to hearing more about it in the future good to see you again

[1:32:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): justine yeah i

[1:32:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't know if everybody knows but justine used to work with the press a few years

[1:32:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): years ago so thank you

[1:32:50] Voice 16: very much okay uh

[1:32:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): then that's great uh so that's the delegations we're

[1:32:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): now at correspondence there's nothing in there's uh sorry there's two pieces well there's one

[1:33:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): but before we get to that i just i think it's an interesting um juxtaposition because i got a piece

[1:33:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): of correspondence just before we started and i was going to share it with the community although i

[1:33:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): I can't share it, it's a note from BC Ferries

[1:33:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): that talks, that gives the results

[1:33:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): of their phase one engagement results.

[1:33:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know, did you get that trustees Rockefeller

[1:33:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): and Wolverton?

[1:33:31] Voice 11: I got it, but I only noticed it

[1:33:33] Voice 11: cause I was on a little break

[1:33:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): or

[1:33:36] Voice 11: a long break.

[1:33:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, no, it came in literally almost right

[1:33:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): before we started the meeting.

[1:33:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): meeting. But it's an interesting document. It's a one-page graphic document that sort

[1:33:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): of gives the preliminary results of the survey they're doing. And it was not surprisingly

[1:33:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): noting that it says that, sorry, I'm just trying to find it here. It says that 58% of

[1:34:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): the participants were full-time residents of the Southern Gulf Islands, 38% were part-time

[1:34:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): residents and visitors um and they had meetings with the uh with the ferry advisor committee and

[1:34:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): a bunch of conversations um said that frequency preferred sailing times and capacity were the

[1:34:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): biggest issues key considerations so interestingly um access to vancouver island via swartz bay was

[1:34:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): the biggest issue for full-time residents and access to the mainland via tawasin was the most

[1:34:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): important use uh for part-time residents so i don't know that that's a big surprise for anyone

[1:34:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): we'll perhaps put that in our correspondence for our next um local trust committee meeting so

[1:34:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that it's it's at least in our public domain

[1:34:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): people can see because i'm not sure how they intend to to get that out uh generally is there

[1:35:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): or a way for BC Ferries to reach people

[1:35:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): with the things like that?

[1:35:07] Voice 11: Yes, I think so.

[1:35:10] Voice 11: Like if you're signed up and getting updates

[1:35:12] Voice 11: from BC Ferries, I think you would get it.

[1:35:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, in any case, we'll put it in the,

[1:35:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): if I could ask that we put it on our correspondence

[1:35:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): in our July next meeting.

[1:35:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thanks very much.

[1:35:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have one other piece of correspondence.

[1:35:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's 11.1, which is an email from Mr. Ramagnoli.

[1:35:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): I always mispronounce that.

[1:35:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): And Planner Smith, did you wish to say anything

[1:35:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): about this correspondence?

[1:35:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): I see it's addressed to you,

[1:35:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I guess I'll see if there's any questions.

[1:35:49] Voice 13: Thanks, Chair Rogers.

[1:35:50] Voice 13: So just a brief update,

[1:35:51] Voice 13: state, the Romagnoli rezoning application for their forest lot into an F3 lot with a

[1:35:59] Voice 13: dwelling right has been going on for, I think, 2005.

[1:36:03] Voice 13: The application has been open since.

[1:36:06] Voice 13: It's been sitting post-public hearing at third reading for a number of years, awaiting the

[1:36:11] Voice 13: applicant to close out a covenant agreement.

[1:36:16] Voice 13: Since I've been with the trust, I've been back and forth with the applicant a number

[1:36:20] Voice 13: of times over the last 20 months trying to get some movement on that final piece and as you've

[1:36:27] Voice 13: seen the correspondence they're at the point where they can't find agreement on the covenant

[1:36:31] Voice 13: and I guess they are seeking advice or direction or I guess staff is seeking advice or direction

[1:36:39] Voice 13: from LTC as to whether you wish to proceed with their application and that would if they if they

[1:36:49] Voice 13: were pursuing a 75 25 approach then that would be unwinding the public hearing of course and

[1:36:55] Voice 13: starting it all over over again or uh or other direction so i'll leave that there thank you

[1:37:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah trustee rockefeller um and i

[1:37:08] Voice 13: think the applicants are on the line as well

[1:37:10] Voice 13: oh they were they were uh they were given the information so maple might have them sorry to

[1:37:16] Voice 13: to interrupt you trustee rockefeller but they are

[1:37:19] Voice 13: there to elevate them

[1:37:20] Voice 12: i'm just going to take a

[1:37:22] Voice 12: look here they're

[1:37:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): in i don't see either a smith or oh there he is mr romagnoli is at the bottom

[1:37:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh

[1:37:30] Voice 12: there he is okay in one moment i'm just going to promote him he's

[1:37:34] Voice 13: in greece oh

[1:37:36] Voice 12: in greece okay

[1:37:39] Voice 13: go

[1:37:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): ahead trustee rockefeller ask your question um

[1:37:42] Voice 9: i was just wondering since this application

[1:37:44] Voice 9: has been ongoing for 14 years or whatever if it would possibly make sense to uh and it is looking

[1:37:52] Voice 9: to switch the entire application does it make sense for the LTC to um like move forward with

[1:38:01] Voice 9: this application and just or the applicant and uh withdrawing the application or so we because I

[1:38:07] Voice 9: it seems very old now and maybe needs to be updated anyways for a new LTC

[1:38:13] Voice 9: see I'm not I'm just not really quite sure it's been seen there for a long time yeah

[1:38:19] Voice 13: so it's post

[1:38:21] Voice 13: third reading so it would require additional process and of course there's been significant

[1:38:26] Voice 13: staff time already as well as trust committee time invested in this application over the years

[1:38:32] Voice 13: so I guess there is a decision for local trust committee to decide if one you could just go no

[1:38:40] Voice 13: no further with this application.

[1:38:42] Voice 13: You could seek volunteer withdrawal of the application,

[1:38:47] Voice 13: or you could agree to allow the application

[1:38:51] Voice 13: to continue to be opened and to unwind third reading

[1:38:56] Voice 13: and go back to a new proposal,

[1:39:00] Voice 13: I think are the three options

[1:39:01] Voice 13: that local trust committee are.

[1:39:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): When was the public hearing Brad?

[1:39:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Brad

[1:39:05] Voice 13: many many years ago 2017 2016 I don't have that at my fingertips but I have

[1:39:14] Voice 13: not even really

[1:39:14] Voice 13: been involved in this file that much other than just to try to get some movement as it was just

[1:39:20] Voice 13: sitting more or less dormant when I

[1:39:23] Voice 13: arrived right

[1:39:24] Voice 21: right

[1:39:25] Voice 13: Mr. Romagnoli might be able to answer some

[1:39:28] Voice 13: of those questions Mr. Romagnoli

[1:39:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you want to if you want to address this you're you're now in

[1:39:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the position where you can unmute yourself

[1:39:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): and speak to the local trust committee.

[1:39:46] Voice 22: Is that working now?

[1:39:47] Voice 22: Yes.

[1:39:49] Voice 22: Okay, hi everyone.

[1:39:52] Voice 22: Yes, it's midnight here, after midnight here.

[1:39:56] Voice 22: So I'm waiting up here.

[1:39:58] Voice 22: I'm actually waiting up

[1:40:01] Voice 22: cause I got my second vaccination in the morning

[1:40:03] Voice 22: in a few hours.

[1:40:04] Voice 22: So trying to get a good night's sleep as well here.

[1:40:06] Voice 22: yeah we um we've been wanting to rezone this and the file does date back since 2005

[1:40:15] Voice 22: there's been some stop and start elements uh of that covenant that we were not comfortable with

[1:40:22] Voice 22: but we did uh finally agree with the the version that was presented very similar to keifer uh

[1:40:29] Voice 22: version of the covenant and then last moment they suddenly said they wanted ten thousand dollars and

[1:40:36] Voice 22: And that had never been mentioned before.

[1:40:38] Voice 22: So, yeah, we really do.

[1:40:42] Voice 22: Our intention is to let the forest regrow and protect it.

[1:40:48] Voice 22: We want some hope the trails can go through there.

[1:40:51] Voice 22: And we want to someday build a little house for ourselves.

[1:40:55] Voice 22: So, you know, I don't know what other possibilities right now we can do.

[1:41:00] Voice 22: we don't want to close our file because our intention is to go ahead and and rezone this

[1:41:07] Voice 22: it's always been our intention so right now that is now how it stands and hopefully we'll be able

[1:41:13] Voice 22: to find someone to hold the covenant for us and allow us to do the rezoning that's that's our

[1:41:19] Voice 22: our hope

[1:41:22] Voice 11: it's it's my understanding that that any covenant holder does require an endowment

[1:41:29] Voice 11: whether it's the galliano conservancy or the land conservancy or or any of them um so if that's uh

[1:41:39] Voice 11: not a not a way you want to go then then perhaps working with planner smith on the the other option

[1:41:47] Voice 11: that you mentioned in your in your uh uh email might be something that could be considered

[1:41:56] Voice 22: yeah okay i'll make a note of that all right that was the option that we we didn't really want to do

[1:42:03] Voice 22: but that might be something we would we would consider it wasn't it wasn't our first choice

[1:42:08] Voice 22: let's put it that way our first choice was to leave the land as it is and let it regrow and

[1:42:14] Voice 22: hopefully some trails can be put through there and as i said hopefully someday we can

[1:42:18] Voice 22: rezone it to build a build a little house on that but yeah we were obviously far away from

[1:42:24] Voice 22: everything we've lived over here for quite a few years now so yeah we don't get to canada very

[1:42:30] Voice 22: often

[1:42:30] Voice 16: just

[1:42:32] Voice 22: just

[1:42:34] Voice 13: recognizing that the last hurdle is a ten thousand dollar fee and that other than

[1:42:38] Voice 13: that the covenant terms from my understanding are something that you can more or less live with

[1:42:45] Voice 13: and the value of the land base that would occur if you got a dwelling right

[1:42:50] Voice 13: it just seems to me and of course i understand there's challenges to that but it seems to me

[1:42:55] Voice 13: that getting past that hurdle and just getting this closed out would be your best approach rather

[1:43:00] Voice 13: than going backwards and spending years on a 75-25 approach that would require rezoning and

[1:43:06] Voice 13: subdivision and so yeah

[1:43:09] Voice 22: that is certainly not my first choice at all so

[1:43:12] Voice 13: my understanding as well

[1:43:13] Voice 13: is that most of these conservation organizations require some kind of endowment which pays for

[1:43:20] Voice 13: their time and their effort to develop a management plan and to manage that over time and that they

[1:43:25] Voice 13: are non-profit societies and so of course they have operating costs as well to manage all of that so

[1:43:31] Voice 13: well we're

[1:43:33] Voice 22: trying to find someone who might be sorry go ahead thanks

[1:43:39] Voice 13: yeah

[1:43:40] Voice 22: well we're looking

[1:43:41] Voice 22: for someone who might be able to hold this covenant we're doing that right now unfortunately

[1:43:45] Voice 22: unfortunately i have been uh zero income for 15 months so right now the idea of putting money out

[1:43:53] Voice 22: is kind of out of the question we were coveted has a major impact on us with our business in

[1:43:59] Voice 22: tourism so yeah we're yeah yeah

[1:44:01] Voice 22: now is not the time for that trustee rockwell um

[1:44:07] Voice 9: yeah in line

[1:44:08] Voice 9: with this the fact that all these agencies that would potentially hold a covenant will be charging

[1:44:12] Voice 9: an endowment fee I think that if that's not the route that the applicant is desiring then we

[1:44:19] Voice 9: should proceed no further with this application until they develop a plan that they prefer

[1:44:25] Voice 9: rather than have it sitting on our file indefinitely yeah

[1:44:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): and Mr. Manoli I just

[1:44:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): want to echo that it's very problematic for us to have a file that's been around for 16 years

[1:44:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that some traction was got to a certain point

[1:44:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we got to public hearing

[1:44:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): and now the matter can't be completed.

[1:44:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): As the staff, as I understand it,

[1:44:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's been hundreds of hours of our time,

[1:44:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): of trust time put into this whole process

[1:44:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): and to have it sort of just sit there

[1:45:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): is extremely problematic.

[1:45:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): And Trustee Rockefeller is quite correct

[1:45:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): and trustee wilberton i i don't i if you haven't found a a not-for-profit to hold your conservation

[1:45:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): covenant for nothing for right now the chances of that are very slim um i've never heard of one

[1:45:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): that was willing to do that but maybe there's there's something that i don't know in the world

[1:45:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): um have you had any indication that there's somebody that might be willing to do that

[1:45:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): because i'm actually quite surprised to hear you say no one had ever mentioned that before because

[1:45:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): i have done a number of these and every single time there's an endowment um it's just sort of

[1:45:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): standard practice um so that the not-for-profit has some funds for by which you can monitor the

[1:45:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): covenant because it has to monitor the covenant going forward yeah

[1:45:57] Voice 22: well it never it didn't come

[1:45:59] Voice 22: up at all so it came up two years ago out of nowhere it was really out of nowhere it was a

[1:46:03] Voice 22: big surprise we had never been told that trustee rockefeller um

[1:46:09] Voice 9: i might make a motion then to

[1:46:11] Voice 9: proceed no further with this application trustee

[1:46:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): wolverton i'll

[1:46:21] Voice 11: second that so it means it's in

[1:46:24] Voice 11: abeyance if it passes um

[1:46:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): well no i think we've got to be careful about that um maybe planner

[1:46:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): Senator Smith can confirm, but my understanding is if we pass a motion to proceed no further,

[1:46:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): then you start to close the file.

[1:46:45] Voice 13: My understanding, or I guess it should be clarified as the wording could be construed either way.

[1:46:52] Voice 13: But yes, there's putting it in abeyance versus what I think I heard from Trustee Rockefeller

[1:46:59] Voice 13: is that you would proceed no further.

[1:47:01] Voice 13: The application would be closed.

[1:47:03] Voice 13: And if the applicant wants to proceed with rezoning their property in the future,

[1:47:07] Voice 13: they will need to submit a new application with a new application fee and start at draft bylaw stage

[1:47:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah trustee rock fell um

[1:47:17] Voice 9: yeah i'll speak to the my motion then it's it's what uh planner smith

[1:47:21] Voice 9: just stated the the latter the that it would proceed no further and a new application would

[1:47:27] Voice 9: be drafted mostly because it seems like that's the direction the applicant's headed and um and

[1:47:32] Voice 9: and I encourage him to rezone his property

[1:47:34] Voice 9: and this would take it off the table

[1:47:38] Voice 9: and put it into the space

[1:47:39] Voice 9: that he's willing to move forward with.

[1:47:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Warburton.

[1:47:51] Voice 11: I know it's been a long time.

[1:47:53] Voice 11: I guess I'd like to hear from the applicant.

[1:47:55] Voice 11: I mean, really, I mean, if we proceed no further,

[1:48:05] Voice 11: then you're back at square one and you start all over

[1:48:07] Voice 11: and you have to pay a fee um to you know to rezone um i guess i'd like to hear from the

[1:48:17] Voice 11: applicant whether whether that's his preference or whether he wants to um you know find find the

[1:48:27] Voice 11: endowment and

[1:48:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): do i address this now well you've been asked a question by the trustee so go ahead

[1:48:35] Voice 22: If we were to find someone or an organization that will take our covenant for us, then do we have to reopen this file?

[1:48:49] Voice 22: It sounds like we wouldn't be given that chance.

[1:48:51] Voice 22: I would like to think that when we find the necessary covenant holders that we're looking for, that we would be able to just proceed with this process that we have been going through for many years, because our intention is to rezone it.

[1:49:10] Voice 22: And we have no intention of cutting the forest.

[1:49:14] Voice 22: We never have.

[1:49:15] Voice 22: We want it to regrow.

[1:49:16] Voice 22: We want to protect it.

[1:49:17] Voice 22: And that is really why I would like it to be kept open until we find someone.

[1:49:25] Voice 22: And I think that's going to involve us having to go to Canada.

[1:49:29] Voice 22: And hopefully that will happen once the pandemic has passed and we'll be free to travel there and meet with people.

[1:49:38] Voice 22: I think that's possibly the route.

[1:49:41] Voice 22: But I mean, that is the route we're looking at.

[1:49:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay so this is a bit of an unusual process because usually when we get into a motion on

[1:49:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): the table and it's seconded and we're debating it

[1:49:52] Voice 16: we

[1:49:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't then turn back but I allowed that

[1:49:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): to happen let's just go back to our internal debate I think his I think the Mr. Romagnoli's

[1:50:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): points been fairly well fairly clearly articulated. Trustee Rockefeller you wanted to speak to your

[1:50:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): motion um

[1:50:08] Voice 9: yeah i just so if the knowledge of the covenant um fee was discovered two years ago

[1:50:17] Voice 9: that's still prior to the pandemic so no traction was made in those six months or seven months

[1:50:23] Voice 9: either so i'm just i don't see much movement on this file and i recognize that thousands of

[1:50:29] Voice 9: dollars have been used up for our planner and staff's time and i have to be aware of the that

[1:50:35] Voice 9: that is public money.

[1:50:36] Voice 9: So I'm cognizant of that.

[1:50:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Right.

[1:50:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): So trustee Wolverton, do you wish to speak any further

[1:50:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the motion

[1:50:50] Voice 11: to proceed no further?

[1:50:55] Voice 11: Well, just to say that, I mean,

[1:51:04] Voice 11: locating a covenant holder can be done from overseas.

[1:51:10] Voice 11: I mean, it's not something that requires

[1:51:12] Voice 11: requires an expensive trip back to Canada in my mind so I don't know um you know I mean the

[1:51:21] Voice 11: planners have already worked quite a lot in this file they they would have they would know of some

[1:51:27] Voice 11: uh or typical covenant holders in the province but um I have to agree with my fellow trustee

[1:51:37] Voice 11: trustee rock fella that you know it's it's it's not moving ahead and i know that there

[1:51:44] Voice 11: have been interventions by people in the community to try to help it move ahead

[1:51:49] Voice 11: and um so i guess i'm left with the feeling that you know um this is not something that's

[1:52:00] Voice 11: going to move ahead in the in the near future i

[1:52:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): i i yeah thank you i mean i mean that's the

[1:52:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): dilemma and and i appreciate mr romagnoli's intentions etc but uh the the um i'm not hearing

[1:52:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): anything definitive i'm hearing we are going to continue to look to hold somebody find someone

[1:52:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): to hold it and when we and when we do we'll come back to you and please hold it open until we do

[1:52:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): which means the matter lays unresolved for goodness knows how long uh and um i uh i

[1:52:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm troubled by that i mean i don't know i mean we've we've done this before and and and then

[1:52:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): rescinded emotion when there was some definitive action that occurred uh but that does mean going

[1:52:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): knowing um well no it doesn't but it does mean um uh but it would be unusual but uh

[1:53:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): i guess i guess i'm somewhat supportive i'm quite supportive of the uh the motion as as it is because

[1:53:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm not hearing anything that would give me any hope that any any realistic belief that this was

[1:53:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to happen in our term do

[1:53:22] Voice 22: you need a date or something is that what you need well i would

[1:53:27] Voice 22: Could you propose a date so I can consider that?

[1:53:31] Voice 22: Is that possible?

[1:53:34] Voice 11: Well, we can, as I understand it, we can pass this motion

[1:53:37] Voice 11: and we can rescind this motion if the Romanovis come back

[1:53:43] Voice 11: with their covenant.

[1:53:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): Once the file's closed, it was a bit different the last time

[1:53:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that we asked specifically it be left open for a period,

[1:53:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): for a short period of time.

[1:54:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): Once we suggest it goes no farther,

[1:54:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): the staff will go ahead and close the file.

[1:54:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, Planner Smith.

[1:54:10] Voice 11: You're muted.

[1:54:17] Voice 13: Too many screens.

[1:54:18] Voice 13: Just to clarify Chair Rogers,

[1:54:20] Voice 13: the public hearing for the associated bylaw was in 2011.

[1:54:23] Voice 13: And that's when they,

[1:54:25] Voice 13: so they've had 10 years of direction to come to agreement

[1:54:28] Voice 13: on a covenant that they would see fit.

[1:54:32] Voice 13: fit and i've probably had 15 email conversations with uh the applicant over the last two years

[1:54:40] Voice 13: giving different deadlines of of progress um to no avail so really we're pushed to this point

[1:54:48] Voice 13: where i'm seeking direction from ltc today

[1:54:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): right so there's a motion unless someone wants to amend

[1:54:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): to put a date certain on it,

[1:55:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm gonna call, I think call the vote

[1:55:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): unless someone wants to amend the motion.

[1:55:07] Voice 11: All the motion

[1:55:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): currently is to proceed no further.

[1:55:11] Voice 11: And how would I amend it to add a date of say September 30th?

[1:55:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): You would put a word, you would propose a motion

[1:55:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): that says I want to amend the motion by adding the words

[1:55:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): if no covenant holder as identified

[1:55:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): by September the 30th, 2021.

[1:55:40] Voice 11: That's what I'd like to add.

[1:55:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, go ahead, Byron Smith.

[1:55:45] Voice 13: I propose a friendly amendment to make that more specific

[1:55:49] Voice 13: to them coming to some kind of term of agreement

[1:55:52] Voice 13: rather than just identifying a covenant holder yeah

[1:55:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): identified and secured let's say yeah yeah

[1:55:58] Voice 13: or or secured uh agreed upon terms or something along those lines well

[1:56:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's get them let's get

[1:56:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): a specific this is a motion to amend a motion that's on the table um so carly that what if we

[1:56:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): could get you to read back what you've got please okay

[1:56:19] Voice 8: it was moved and seconded that the galley

[1:56:21] Voice 8: and on local trust committee would proceed no further with application glrz 2005.1 um and then

[1:56:30] Voice 8: i've got the the friendly amendment to add unless they've identified and secured a covenant by

[1:56:36] Voice 8: september 30th 2021 yeah

[1:56:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): and and that's not necessarily the friendly amendment that's

[1:56:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): actually a motion to amend so we've got the original motion that was made by trustee rockefeller

[1:56:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): was seconded by Trustee Wolverton

[1:56:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): and now Trustee Wolverton has made a motion

[1:56:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): to amend the original motion to add those words, okay?

[1:56:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): All right, so do you second that Trustee Rockefeller or not?

[1:57:00] Voice 9: I'll second that and I have a question for the planner.

[1:57:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so that's been moved.

[1:57:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): The motion to amend has been seconded

[1:57:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): and now you have a question for the planner, go ahead.

[1:57:11] Voice 9: I just wanted to ensure that the language

[1:57:14] Voice 9: in the amendment motion is um definitive enough that it means that it's gonna go ahead with the

[1:57:22] Voice 9: covenant holder not just that uh they've picked one and they've spoken to each other and kind of

[1:57:28] Voice 9: made a handshake deal like it's i

[1:57:30] Voice 13: think the secured terms is the wording that okay uh carly

[1:57:35] Voice 13: captured uh so i think securing terms means that they've had discussion about terms of an agreement

[1:57:41] Voice 13: and a secured agreement between the two parties.

[1:57:47] Voice 13: And of course, LTC would be the third party.

[1:57:51] Voice 13: So there's still another approval mechanism

[1:57:53] Voice 13: that would be required when you're considering the rezoning

[1:57:57] Voice 13: and the final covenant agreement.

[1:58:02] Voice 13: So that's why I think if they can identify covenant holder

[1:58:07] Voice 13: and secure terms or rethink their relationship

[1:58:11] Voice 13: with the Galliano Conservancy and go that direction,

[1:58:14] Voice 13: which is, in my view, the most obvious pathway.

[1:58:21] Voice 13: Okay,

[1:58:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): so I think that answers your question,

[1:58:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Rockefeller.

[1:58:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): We don't need

[1:58:24] Voice 13: to get into that.

[1:58:25] Voice 13: So

[1:58:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's been seconded.

[1:58:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so is there any further discussion

[1:58:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the trustees related to that motion to amend?

[1:58:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): No, I'll call the question on the motion

[1:58:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): to amend the original motion and that passes.

[1:58:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): And now, so we'll go back to the actual motion,

[1:58:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): which effectively says to direct the proceed no further

[1:58:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): should the, unless the applicant has identified

[1:58:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): and secured the terms of a covenant holder

[1:58:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): by September the 30th, 2021.

[1:58:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'll call the question on that motion.

[1:58:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): All those in favor?

[1:59:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): So Mr. Romagnoli, you've got till September,

[1:59:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): You've got until September 30th, and I urge you to work to an earlier deadline yourself.

[1:59:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): Because it will take some time for you to come to terms and to satisfy us that this is actually going to work.

[1:59:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): So good luck to you.

[1:59:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): Excellent. Thank you.

[1:59:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): Bye-bye.

[1:59:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): Now, thank you for that.

[1:59:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): But we're still actually, interestingly, we're still five minutes ahead of the agenda schedule.

[1:59:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): But I know that we have a lot of work ahead of us.

[1:59:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): And this is where our meeting break is.

[1:59:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): So why don't we take 10 minutes?

[1:59:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): But I'm going to, and I don't know if you want to continue to do community updates.

[1:59:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): Jane, this has always been your initiative.

[1:59:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you want to hear from the community?

[2:00:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): community uh in terms of about anything um

[2:00:04] Voice 11: i think we have a quite a big agenda so

[2:00:08] Voice 11: i i i haven't i hadn't turned my mind to what um what that's fine that's fine

[2:00:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah and i know you're

[2:00:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're trying to engage with people and find out what's going on and etc etc and there's

[2:00:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): well lots of ways to do that so why don't we do this why don't we just take five minutes take a

[2:00:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): break. We'll come back at 2, well, we'll come back at 2.40, nine minutes, and we'll start with

[2:00:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): the first of the applications, which is 2020.2, which is, I probably mispronounced this to Hote,

[2:00:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): or Hote, I'm not sure which it is, but, and I'm not sure if they're on the,

[2:00:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): we'll be promoting you to speak to us if you wish, if they're here. So let's take

[2:00:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): a break until 2.40, and then we'll get started on that. Thanks very much.

[2:00:59] Voice 12: i'll put up a

[2:01:00] Voice 18: break slide chair rogers i have returned chair pat uh chair rogers

[2:09:59] Voice 18: thank you very much me

[2:10:04] Voice 8: too okay

[2:10:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): um so we're at 10 13.1 of the agenda page 25 for those

[2:10:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): walking home it's the um dvp and as soon as planner smith gets here there he is so um it's

[2:10:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's page, as I said, page 25 over to you.

[2:10:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): This is a development firm.

[2:10:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): And as I said, I didn't see whether the applicant was actually here or not.

[2:10:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): Does anybody know?

[2:10:42] Voice 13: The applicant was invited,

[2:10:43] Voice 13: and my understanding is that they would be here.

[2:10:47] Voice 12: Yes, they were invited, and the meeting link and times were sent to them

[2:10:52] Voice 12: and the agenda package as well, Chair Rogers.

[2:10:54] Voice 12: If I don't see Brenda here, no.

[2:10:57] Voice 12: No, or anybody's

[2:10:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): here representing the applicant,

[2:11:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): please put your hand up.

[2:11:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Otherwise we're just going to proceed.

[2:11:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): All right, we put your hand up by the raise hand button

[2:11:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the bottom of your screen.

[2:11:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, well, they don't have to be.

[2:11:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we encourage people to be here to answer questions

[2:11:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): or speak to the report, but over to you Planner Smith.

[2:11:21] Voice 13: Thank you, Chair Rogers.

[2:11:23] Voice 13: This is a development permit application

[2:11:25] Voice 13: for the subject property to allow for the modification of a stairway structure and a

[2:11:33] Voice 13: deck that extends currently into the foreshore beyond the natural boundary of the sea and also

[2:11:40] Voice 13: to address a cabin or the cottage structure that is 0.5 meters from the from a highway right of

[2:11:49] Voice 13: way that was uh uh created uh from a previous subdivision so the uh application is uh the

[2:11:58] Voice 13: result of a bylaw enforcement file for the deck that extends into the foreshore portion

[2:12:05] Voice 13: and planning staff have been working with the applicant over the last number of months

[2:12:10] Voice 13: um the key uh points here um so the looking on page uh three of the report or 27 of the agenda

[2:12:23] Voice 13: package the map there you can see the DAC extending past the foreshore and also uh the

[2:12:29] Voice 13: restrictive covenant area that the uh that the structure uh sits in so uh the applicants and uh

[2:12:39] Voice 13: with staff support have worked with modi to get permission from uh modi to allow the structure

[2:12:45] Voice 13: to remain through an engineer's report that they are working on uh on getting the actual

[2:12:53] Voice 13: covenant amended there are development permit areas in the location of the stairs both sensitive

[2:13:01] Voice 13: of habitat as well as the 15 meter marine dpa area as well as steep and moderate slope areas

[2:13:10] Voice 13: but the stairway has been in place prior to those dpas being enacted and so they do not apply in

[2:13:18] Voice 13: this case what staff are seeking is that they amend the stairway back to behind their property

[2:13:26] Voice 13: pretty line to within 0.2 meters,

[2:13:29] Voice 13: which naturally lines up with where one of the corners

[2:13:35] Voice 13: of the bottom of their stairway structure ends.

[2:13:40] Voice 13: And so they would be required to remove

[2:13:45] Voice 13: the additional portion of deck

[2:13:48] Voice 13: and staff would recommend that through bylaw enforcement,

[2:13:53] Voice 13: You would seek a voluntary agreement, compliance agreement for the application, the applicant to agree to a time period to not only modify that deck but also to demonstrate proof that they have had that covenant amended.

[2:14:12] Voice 13: There's been no responses to the notification period.

[2:14:17] Voice 13: and and I think that's generally it the cabin is within a side lot exterior setback and it's

[2:14:30] Voice 13: point five meters from the lot line and no issues from neighbors have been raised with with either

[2:14:38] Voice 13: of the proposed variances thank you questions

[2:14:45] Voice 18: from the trustees nothing

[2:14:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): um okay i just have

[2:14:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): one i just want to make sure that as i understand it the removal of the is the removal of the part

[2:15:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's jutting into the water uh of the deck that's below those short is that a condition in

[2:15:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): the in the variance permit

[2:15:09] Voice 13: variance permits aren't condition based they just are giving

[2:15:24] Voice 13: and set a timeline as well so uh right now the deck still extends out uh they would be getting

[2:15:35] Voice 13: variants to have a modified deck structure uh that meets the variance permit um they would be

[2:15:44] Voice 13: recommending that the deck be extended out uh they would be getting variants to have a modified deck

[2:15:44] Voice 13: required to modify the deck with no additional impacts to the dpa which is feasible to do based

[2:15:50] Voice 13: on staff site inspection um and so and uh they wouldn't be subject to a new development permit

[2:15:57] Voice 13: for their modification any future changes to the stairway of course uh including maintenance uh

[2:16:04] Voice 13: where additional impacts of the dpa values are compromised would require a development permit

[2:16:25] Voice 11: My question is just, if the variance is granted, then is there monitoring to make sure that it's complied with?

[2:16:35] Voice 13: So that volunteer compliance agreement would require them to demonstrate proof that they've modified the stairs and probably there'd be a site visit by staff to ensure there are no additional impacts.

[2:16:49] Voice 13: Yes. And also the paperwork could be required to be submitted for the actual covenant amendment.

[2:16:58] Voice 13: So

[2:16:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): let me just ask you a question. If we can't put a condition in the variance, the only thing we could do would be to defer consideration of granting this until the compliance agreement is reached, correct?

[2:17:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): correct i mean we could we could say we're not going to deal with this today but when you've

[2:17:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): got your compliance agreement with the with the bylaw enforcement uh then we'll consider your

[2:17:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): variance yeah

[2:17:31] Voice 13: i guess i guess they're seeking direction for confirming that they can get the

[2:17:37] Voice 13: variance rather than your another option would be for you to get them to remove the entire structure

[2:17:43] Voice 13: or out of their setback, for example.

[2:17:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): Granted, we could make a bigger decision.

[2:17:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): I appreciate that, that we could refuse the application altogether.

[2:17:53] Voice 13: So I think more typically you would have the decision made

[2:17:57] Voice 13: and then the insurance of completion of whatever the terms

[2:18:02] Voice 13: through that agreement, which is binding.

[2:18:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): So because the problem I've got is that, of course,

[2:18:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): Because, of course, the part that's setting out into the ocean is not in our jurisdiction necessarily, right?

[2:18:22] Voice 13: Well, we do have zoning.

[2:18:24] Voice 13: We have, it's, we do, it is, yes.

[2:18:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, if they don't remove, if they don't remove the deck at the bottom of the cliff, of the stairs, bylaw enforcement could continue?

[2:18:39] Voice 13: It's a structure in the marine zone.

[2:18:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): I see.

[2:18:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that so they would be even though we grant the variance which makes the upper part legal

[2:18:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): they'd still be subject to bylaw enforcement if

[2:18:52] Voice 13: they didn't meet their compliance agreement you

[2:18:54] Voice 13: could continue to ticket them for that part of the structure that is in non-compliance in the

[2:19:00] Voice 13: foreshore okay

[2:19:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): and uh as i understand it the cottage itself it it it precedes it's been there

[2:19:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): for a couple of decades anyway since the 80s

[2:19:13] Voice 13: it precedes development permit area guidelines

[2:19:16] Voice 13: but it's

[2:19:17] Voice 13: not actually in the development permit area no

[2:19:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): no no no i was thinking of the i was

[2:19:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): thinking of the setback um and

[2:19:25] Voice 13: i know the

[2:19:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): setback is from a road allowance as opposed to a moda

[2:19:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): reserve right yeah but

[2:19:31] Voice 13: setbacks set but lot setbacks came in in 1972 by the crd so any

[2:19:36] Voice 13: structures newer than 1972 would be at least subject to the original crd setback which

[2:19:44] Voice 13: it's an exterior slot line rather than interior because it's a right-of-way as opposed to another

[2:19:50] Voice 13: lot adjacent yeah

[2:19:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): i mean i get i guess the only thing i'm glitching over and i'm not glitching

[2:19:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): really i'm just saying be nice to know that all these agreements that he that these people were

[2:20:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to get entered into with modi and with the bylaw requirements before we're in place before we

[2:20:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): exercise our discretion to grant the variance but they aren't and and what you're saying is there

[2:20:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): are processes in place to ensure those agreements are are are are affected before after we grant it

[2:20:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): if we grant the variant

[2:20:22] Voice 13: and there's certainly a written record uh that the applicants agree

[2:20:26] Voice 13: and understand that they're required to move that platform

[2:20:30] Voice 13: as part of moving forward with variance

[2:20:32] Voice 13: for the remainder of the structure.

[2:20:34] Voice 13: So there is agreement there in that sense.

[2:20:39] Voice 13: And I do think that this is generally how this would go

[2:20:43] Voice 13: is you would get a decision

[2:20:44] Voice 13: and then you would have that compliance agreement

[2:20:47] Voice 13: ensure that the decision in these cases of variance

[2:20:51] Voice 13: where you're seeking in a sense a condition

[2:20:54] Voice 13: that's outside of the permit authority itself.

[2:21:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm sorry, I've been doing all the talking.

[2:21:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustees, do you have any questions?

[2:21:06] Voice 11: So what you're saying then, Planner Smith,

[2:21:10] Voice 11: is that we could accept the variance

[2:21:13] Voice 11: and then add an agreement.

[2:21:15] Voice 13: You could pass a second resolution

[2:21:19] Voice 13: directing staff to seek a voluntary compliance agreement

[2:21:23] Voice 13: with the applicant of application GL whatever it is for removal of the bottom

[2:21:37] Voice 13: portion of the deck to within 0.2 meters by such-and-such a date and submission

[2:21:42] Voice 13: of copies of final paperwork demonstrating proof of covenant

[2:21:51] Voice 13: amendment to attach the engineering report and then uh yeah that becomes uh something that is

[2:22:02] Voice 13: a signed agreement between both parties and then bylaw enforcement uh but i you know i think

[2:22:10] Voice 13: honestly the applicants in this unfortunately they're not here to speak on their half but

[2:22:13] Voice 13: the applicants have been diligent in trying to get to a solution they're new owners that have

[2:22:18] Voice 13: inherited this problem they knew it was there but of course it's still a lot for

[2:22:23] Voice 13: them to deal with so I think they will they will move as quickly as they can to

[2:22:29] Voice 13: just have this behind them so that they can enjoy their property there obviously

[2:22:34] Voice 13: that's not full full reassurance but yeah

[2:22:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay over to trustees anybody want

[2:22:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you want to make a motion?

[2:22:48] Voice 17: Move

[2:22:48] Voice 11: that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[2:22:51] Voice 11: approve issuance of Development Variance Permit

[2:22:54] Voice 11: GLDVP-2020.2 Haute.

[2:22:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's seconded.

[2:22:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, is there any further discussion related to that?

[2:23:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): Then I'll just say, you know,

[2:23:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): I would prefer these things were all walked down

[2:23:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): before we approve them.

[2:23:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): Just is what makes me more comfortable

[2:23:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): knowing that we're granting it knowing what has actually been debated but but i understand the

[2:23:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): situation here so i'll call if nobody else has anything i'll call the vote all in favor

[2:23:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh sir yes were you voting i

[2:23:27] Voice 9: actually had a question again so if we did want to enter in a

[2:23:31] Voice 9: compliance agreement would that be after this vote yeah

[2:23:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes if you want to make the motion

[2:23:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustee planner smith was talking about it's not us it's the bylaw enforcement folks that

[2:23:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): you

[2:23:41] Voice 13: would direct staff to seek an agreement with the applicant and then that becomes an

[2:23:47] Voice 13: agreement essentially between the trust and the which

[2:23:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): is what they're going to do anyway but we

[2:23:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): could put it on the record

[2:23:53] Voice 13: i think it's better to have a formal compliance agreement on

[2:23:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): so let's okay any other comments related to the vote all in favor so that passes so uh carly i

[2:24:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): You are very, very good. Did you get any of what Planner Smith sort of laid out earlier?

[2:24:14] Voice 8: Yeah, I was writing it down. So I got that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to seek a voluntary compliance agreement with the applicants for GLDVP 2020.2

[2:24:26] Voice 8: for removal of the bottom portion of the deck to within 0.2 meters by a certain date that you can pick

[2:24:34] Voice 8: and to submit paperwork that demonstrates proof of compliance by attaching an engineering report?

[2:24:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): To the covenant.

[2:24:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): To the covenant. Okay. So the only question in all of that, thank you very much, Carly. I

[2:24:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): had a feeling you'd done that. If we want to put a particular date in or just say within a

[2:24:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): reasonable period of time, I leave it to you, Trustee Rockefeller, if you want to make that

[2:25:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): motion um

[2:25:05] Voice 9: yeah i'll make the motion that was uh read back to us by the minute taker and um

[2:25:11] Voice 9: i i think within a reasonable period of time or what planners miss i

[2:25:16] Voice 13: would suggest you pick uh

[2:25:18] Voice 13: within six months or within some kind of timeline i'd

[2:25:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): like to see it done before before the winter

[2:25:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): storms i

[2:25:26] Voice 13: mean that's the problem with these

[2:25:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): these decks by the end of october how's that yeah that

[2:25:32] Voice 12: that sounds good thank you yeah okay

[2:25:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that motion has been made seconded by trustee wolverton

[2:25:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): and so i'll call the vote all in favor uh yeah thanks that passes thank you very much

[2:25:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh and thank you carly of course um so you know i i just yeah those things are always problematic

[2:25:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): and they inevitably get although apparently that one's been there a long time that the winter

[2:25:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): storms tend to take them out and then you've got you've got junk in the water that's hard to clean

[2:26:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): know um then we're at 13.2 uh alan and nor gang uh are either of them here with us yes okay so i

[2:26:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): see somebody got moved over i think uh no

[2:26:24] Voice 12: they didn't they didn't yet i'm just taking a look

[2:26:27] Voice 12: here at her rogers one moment laura laura is there laura is there okay thank you okay could

[2:26:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): Could you move

[2:26:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Ms. Allen over?

[2:26:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): So thank you.

[2:26:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so you'll be able to speak in a moment

[2:26:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): if we need you to, or you wish to.

[2:26:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): I know this is not your report Planner Smith.

[2:26:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): This seems to be the follow-up from last month.

[2:26:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): The residual matters that we were asking about,

[2:26:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh, there they both are.

[2:26:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you want to present the report Planner Smith?

[2:26:58] Voice 13: Yes, thanks Chair Rogers.

[2:27:00] Voice 13: Yes, as you mentioned,

[2:27:01] Voice 13: This is a follow-up to the presentation that Planner TestML made at the last meeting.

[2:27:08] Voice 13: My understanding, just being brought in to present the application,

[2:27:12] Voice 13: but having worked with the applicants early on in their process,

[2:27:16] Voice 13: was that there were a couple of variances that were missed in the initial notification process.

[2:27:23] Voice 13: And, of course, we're statutorily required to make sure that those notices are correct.

[2:27:29] Voice 13: So now we're just catching up.

[2:27:31] Voice 13: I recall LTC had a number of technical questions at the last meeting.

[2:27:37] Voice 13: And so I think I'm just going to pass it back over to LTC to see if they have additional questions.

[2:27:44] Voice 13: My understanding is that the proposal hasn't really changed since last time.

[2:27:48] Voice 13: Is that correct?

[2:27:49] Voice 13: The applicants could confirm that.

[2:27:51] Voice 13: And it's really just bringing forward closure on these other items that were not captured.

[2:27:58] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:28:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): questions for the planner from either yes trustee rockwell you're

[2:28:09] Voice 13: on mute thanks

[2:28:11] Voice 9: i appreciate that

[2:28:13] Voice 9: the applicants have brought this forward so quickly um the question i have is for the

[2:28:18] Voice 9: planner uh so what if the development variance permits not uh followed what measures can be

[2:28:26] Voice 9: taken to ensure it is by neighbors sorry

[2:28:30] Voice 13: can you ask that again oh

[2:28:32] Voice 9: just in some of the letters we

[2:28:33] Voice 9: received from the area just that people were concerned if the parking measures weren't

[2:28:38] Voice 9: followed what um what enforcement could be taken to make sure that was followed um

[2:28:45] Voice 13: it would be

[2:28:46] Voice 13: the same complaint driven by law enforcement measure that is in place for any other kind of

[2:28:55] Voice 13: setback or other i mean if they're not following their plans and they end up with a structure or

[2:29:00] Voice 13: whatever in their setback or a parking structure in their setback that's not supposed to be there

[2:29:05] Voice 13: then that would be the recourse okay

[2:29:08] Voice 9: and then um i asked his plan the questions of uh planner

[2:29:11] Voice 9: testimonial but he wasn't in at the time so otherwise i wouldn't have asked them right now

[2:29:15] Voice 9: but also um there was also questions on there's parking on the opposite side of the road to the

[2:29:21] Voice 9: dwelling and i'm wondering um if that's legal to park on the opposite road and there was concerns

[2:29:29] Voice 9: concerns uh from people that there was it didn't obstructed the line of view from pulling on to

[2:29:34] Voice 9: burl road and um and how to ensure there's no parking on across from the dwelling from

[2:29:41] Voice 9: extra vehicles you

[2:29:44] Voice 13: have no real jurisdiction in terms of managing the roadway and parking along

[2:29:50] Voice 13: it that's would be modi's jurisdiction um so i don't think that there's any way that you can

[2:29:56] Voice 13: and manage that through your decision here.

[2:30:00] Voice 13: around issuing variants okay

[2:30:02] Voice 9: those are just the basic questions i had thank you so much

[2:30:06] Voice 9: yeah

[2:30:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): just if i could follow up on that so the question i as the same question i had is so

[2:30:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): if we grant the variance it allows for two parking spaces and so if eventually if the applicant ever

[2:30:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): and this was the concern of the neighbor put up a structure over those parking spaces those would

[2:30:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): would not be caught by the variance,

[2:30:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): would be in the setback and would be potentially illegal

[2:30:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): and be complaint driven.

[2:30:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): Someone could complain about those.

[2:30:34] Voice 13: Or even earlier at the building permit stage,

[2:30:39] Voice 13: they wouldn't be issued a building permit

[2:30:40] Voice 13: if it required one, but if it didn't, then yeah.

[2:30:45] Voice 13: But you're correct.

[2:30:46] Voice 13: If they built

[2:30:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): any kind of structure in the setback.

[2:30:49] Voice 13: So

[2:30:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): the variance allows them for two parking spaces,

[2:30:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): but doesn't allow them to put structures

[2:30:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): over those two parking spaces

[2:30:57] Voice 13: that's correct and

[2:30:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that that so it wouldn't be in keeping with

[2:31:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): the variance would be an offside of the the setback requirements etc etc so it'd be as as you

[2:31:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): say normal bylaw complaint someone's got a structure in the setback that's not allowed by

[2:31:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): the variance trustee wolverton you had a question uh

[2:31:18] Voice 11: no just a comment that i i have been out there

[2:31:21] Voice 11: there and walked the property with the applicants.

[2:31:24] Voice 11: And I mean, it is a very challenging property

[2:31:26] Voice 11: from the side, but I guess I would like to say

[2:31:31] Voice 11: that the parking opposite,

[2:31:37] Voice 11: and while it's not in our jurisdiction,

[2:31:38] Voice 11: it certainly poses problems for the neighbors

[2:31:42] Voice 11: and is from the point of view of being able to pull out

[2:31:47] Voice 11: and safely go onto the road it's it's it obstructs that so um when i talked to the

[2:31:54] Voice 11: applicants their plan was to put um two vehicles in one parking place and two vehicles in the other

[2:32:02] Voice 11: parking no no sorry

[2:32:03] Voice 11: three

[2:32:06] Voice 10: um well two vehicles and then we have a small utility trailer and

[2:32:11] Voice 10: And they can go in one very long, it's 54 feet long, actually, feet.

[2:32:18] Voice 10: And

[2:32:19] Voice 11: then a truck and the car in the other one.

[2:32:24] Voice 11: Is that correct?

[2:32:25] Voice 11: Yeah, something like that.

[2:32:26] Voice 11: So there's, all together, there are four things to accommodate.

[2:32:31] Voice 11: Things on

[2:32:31] Voice 10: wheels, yes.

[2:32:32] Voice 18: Yes, okay.

[2:32:34] Voice 10: We have space.

[2:32:34] Voice 10: and there is currently a structure in one of the parking spaces and the road right away that was

[2:32:41] Voice 10: built around the time of the house it's very old um that we will tear down we are planning to tear

[2:32:48] Voice 10: that down we are using it for our building project right now but it's coming down and

[2:32:53] Voice 24: that's uh that

[2:32:54] Voice 24: was also part of the plan and that would be the only way we would uh reach the lot coverage was

[2:33:01] Voice 24: was to tear down that entire structure even the part that's over our property and also the parking

[2:33:08] Voice 24: across the street uh i see that used quite often we don't park over there i have on some occasion

[2:33:15] Voice 24: but rarely uh we're the parking that's over there is generally there's been someone working to help

[2:33:23] Voice 24: me he's parked over there and that was some of the confusion by the complainants around

[2:33:28] Voice 24: uh person who was living here we don't own that vehicle and he's only been here during work hours

[2:33:34] Voice 24: and also uh i see a number of people who come to walk down to the uh what is that

[2:33:42] Voice 24: viewpoint we'll park over there on that side and i

[2:33:48] Voice 24: i don't it's nowhere near the turn on

[2:33:51] Voice 24: to Burrell Road, so up closer to Mary Ann Road. And so I see people park there. Occasionally,

[2:33:59] Voice 24: whoever pulls over to walk, or I've seen people there when they pick berries or something, but

[2:34:05] Voice 24: that's not our usual parking place.

[2:34:08] Voice 10: And also utility trucks sometimes, or Hydro, we've seen

[2:34:11] Voice 10: them, Shaw.

[2:34:13] Voice 24: The police the other day.

[2:34:14] Voice 10: Yeah, the police were there doing a stakeout. Not on us.

[2:34:21] Voice 25: trustee rockefeller um

[2:34:23] Voice 9: i guess then because i wasn't aware of the compliance agreement with

[2:34:27] Voice 9: the but i was uh after the last approval is there a time limit then for the removal of the carport

[2:34:35] Voice 9: and the creation of the parking spaces i

[2:34:40] Voice 10: don't think we'll get our building permit approval i

[2:34:42] Voice 10: mean the uh final approved without that being removed i believe that's part of the whole plan

[2:34:47] Voice 10: and we

[2:34:48] Voice 24: could speak to that perhaps i

[2:34:50] Voice 13: think that's correct but i have been involved with the file so

[2:34:53] Voice 13: little that i can't speak conclusively to uh to whether that would be required but more than

[2:34:59] Voice 13: likely if it's an old structure that is uh in their plans now and they yeah so

[2:35:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i have to

[2:35:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): say i'm a little confused at the moment um so i just want to get me i get i'm confused um

[2:35:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): The map that's attached to the development variance permit allows for two parking spaces that are 18 by 8.

[2:35:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): But I just heard you say to Trustee Wolverton that you're going to put 54 feet in there and four vehicles and a trailer.

[2:35:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'm concerned and confused about how that works with two parking spaces that are, so that each of which is 18 by 5, 18 by 8.

[2:35:55] Voice 24: Well, the trailer is one of the vehicles that, it's a 12-foot utility tool trailer, and that's one of the vehicles that Jane spoke of.

[2:36:07] Voice 24: of the parking spaces legally have to be made that long,

[2:36:16] Voice 24: but the drive into our property goes much deeper than that.

[2:36:21] Voice 24: And I would back the tool trailer

[2:36:24] Voice 24: beyond the existing parking spaces

[2:36:27] Voice 24: as the drive goes all the way down past the pump house.

[2:36:34] Voice 24: And if you're looking at that map

[2:36:38] Voice 24: So, those would be, we have, where's the pump house.

[2:36:44] Voice 11: It's right behind the second parking place.

[2:36:48] Voice 11: It's a pink wall.

[2:36:52] Voice 13: So the space between the pump house and the existing workshop can be used for parking even though in your plan, it's not the designated areas that's what you're.

[2:37:02] Voice 13: Well,

[2:37:03] Voice 24: it's not.

[2:37:06] Voice 24: You

[2:37:07] Voice 13: can park your trailer there at least, you can back your trailer up farther into that space.

[2:37:11] Voice 24: Farther into that, that's correct.

[2:37:13] Voice 10: Yeah, we measured that there's 54 feet of

[2:37:16] Voice 10: parkable space, although we just drew the size that's required on the map.

[2:37:24] Voice 10: And at this point, that's what we have. I mean, we may not always have, hopefully,

[2:37:29] Voice 10: all these vehicles we do right now. So the

[2:37:32] Voice 11: vehicles are the tool trailer,

[2:37:34] Voice 11: the tiny home on wheels of truck and a car correct

[2:37:40] Voice 24: that's right that's right but but

[2:37:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): the permit's only going to allow you a parking space of of 18 by 8 two of them

[2:37:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): and yet you're talking about parking on far more than that and the whole idea of having the

[2:38:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): what they call which i had to look up which was the hammerhead um never heard that term before

[2:38:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): but it's basically a jet out into the ministry of highways was to allow you to

[2:38:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): turn around without having to without having to back on to to bluff road.

[2:38:22] Voice 10: Oh yeah.

[2:38:23] Voice 10: But

[2:38:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you pack a park, a whole bunch of vehicles in there, I mean,

[2:38:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): if we assume that the, the, the parking, the parking is,

[2:38:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): is not 18 by eight, but is 54 by eight,

[2:38:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): then as i said i'm just confused i assumed what we were approving here was a permit that would

[2:38:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): allow you to have two parking spots and what i'm hearing is you think the variance is going to

[2:38:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): allow you to park four vehicles at least on that property two

[2:38:58] Voice 10: vehicles and two trailers

[2:39:01] Voice 10: and with the two trailers will not be moving very you know rarely and the truck doesn't even move

[2:39:07] Voice 10: that often so the little and our car is quite tiny it's a little nissan leaf electric car so that

[2:39:14] Voice 10: will be out the one that goes in and out the most and then the truck occasionally but the other

[2:39:19] Voice 10: vehicles we're not planning to move very much they're not vehicles but we're not planning to

[2:39:25] Voice 10: move those so yeah anybody

[2:39:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): else have any questions yeah trustee rockefeller um

[2:39:46] Voice 9: i guess i don't really

[2:39:48] Voice 9: really mind how many vehicles people have I'm just concerned that with the extra parking it's

[2:39:53] Voice 9: going to move into the setbacks beyond what we'd be approving today and I don't really want to

[2:40:00] Voice 9: approve something that then will come back with issues I think

[2:40:09] Voice 10: that could be a problem because

[2:40:12] Voice 10: they're not permanent structures which aren't

[2:40:18] Voice 10: anything on wheels I

[2:40:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): understand that

[2:40:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and you know that uh a number of um issues have arisen about what's parked and what was

[2:40:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): wasn't parked and it's a good thing you're moving the carport of removing it and these are now going

[2:40:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): to be open parking spots but uh i guess one of the concerns we have it or i'm having is i'm not

[2:40:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): quite sure how we approve two spots that would hold two cars on the knowledge that there are

[2:40:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): actually four things parked on the property and uh i guess if you push them onto your yard i guess

[2:41:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's what you do that's

[2:41:05] Voice 10: the plan um can i ask a question i'm on my understanding was that we had

[2:41:11] Voice 10: one letter that was just concerned about that there wouldn't be structures in the park yeah

[2:41:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): but

[2:41:17] Voice 10: did you have more because well

[2:41:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm going off of what we heard the last time you were here in

[2:41:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): april as

[2:41:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): well about about parking etc so i think we've heard it you're right there were there was

[2:41:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): only one okay yeah i just turned actually

[2:41:32] Voice 9: no i just um i had two other people speak to me in

[2:41:37] Voice 9: the community i we so we see two people that were very supportive of your adjacent neighbors and

[2:41:43] Voice 9: And then I had two other people speak verbally to me that I don't have to report or record.

[2:41:49] Voice 10: Oh, OK. And they were concerned about structures?

[2:41:53] Voice 9: No, it was actually the the park, the backing on to the to the road.

[2:41:59] Voice 9: So, yeah,

[2:42:00] Voice 10: we think that is solved.

[2:42:02] Voice 24: The way that idea of what the trustee called the hammerhead, the Moti exception there, that hammerhead would be within, and I haven't been familiar with that term either,

[2:42:23] Voice 24: but that would be within uh i believe it's about 20 feet from our property line to the road so all

[2:42:33] Voice 24: of that maneuvering area is uh outside of the parking spaces and outside of our property and

[2:42:42] Voice 10: not on the

[2:42:42] Voice 10: road at all it's pretty it's the old driveway that was used for 80 years i guess you

[2:42:47] Voice 10: you know, that would be where we would back into.

[2:42:51] Voice 10: It's the driveway.

[2:42:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sort of assumed if I,

[2:42:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): you probably don't have the package in front of you, do you?

[2:42:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): I

[2:42:57] Voice 10: can pull it up.

[2:42:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, I assumed it's the, the cross hatched area.

[2:43:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's on page 68 of our package,

[2:43:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): which shows where the turn around

[2:43:11] Voice 17: and there,

[2:43:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): and there's sort of this jut out.

[2:43:15] Voice 24: Yep.

[2:43:16] Voice 24: That

[2:43:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): comes out for nine feet beyond your property line, into what used to be your driveway.

[2:43:23] Voice 10: And

[2:43:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm just trying to visualize 54 feet of vehicles, how that would work.

[2:43:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): But that's, I suppose, not what we're being asked to consider.

[2:43:42] Voice 11: Can I ask how long the tiny home is?

[2:43:46] Voice 11: 22.

[2:43:46] Voice 11: it's

[2:43:47] Voice 24: a it's a 22 foot trailer with uh um two foot overhang and it has uh the tongue on the front

[2:43:56] Voice 24: another three feet so what's that 25 feet uh

[2:44:01] Voice 11: 27 no plus your your utility trailer is 12

[2:44:05] Voice 11: correct

[2:44:06] Voice 24: it's

[2:44:07] Voice 11: not no it's well

[2:44:08] Voice 24: it would be 27 including the tongue of the trailer that's

[2:44:13] Voice 24: correct yeah so

[2:44:15] Voice 11: you're talking about 39 feet except

[2:44:20] Voice 10: that the trailer goes with the truck and

[2:44:23] Voice 10: the car on that and that's i think we measured that we could put 54 foot worth of things on

[2:44:30] Voice 10: wheels and we have 12 plus 14 plus 20 for that one for the inner space you

[2:44:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): see you see the dilemma

[2:44:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): we have you have the smallest lot on galliano and you're trying to jam all second smallest you're

[2:44:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): trying to jam all this stuff onto it including a new house and all the other things and a 27 foot

[2:44:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): tiny home um and that's and that's where i think some of the the the why we're a little confused

[2:45:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm a little confused i should always speak for myself um so i

[2:45:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): mean i totally get all the rest

[2:45:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): the the all the rest the house we've already dealt with we've already dealt with all of that

[2:45:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the setbacks with the cistern none of that's an issue for me anyway i speak for myself i'm just

[2:45:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): trying to picture why we have all this well trying to jam all this vehicle stuff onto a small lot

[2:45:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh like that so anyway can

[2:45:29] Voice 11: i ask then were you thinking that three vehicles would go on that

[2:45:32] Voice 11: one parking place or three three whatevers uh

[2:45:37] Voice 24: yeah yeah the um the truck the car and the tool

[2:45:45] Voice 24: trailer would back uh quite a ways back into our property down

[2:45:51] Voice 10: into the backyard yeah

[2:45:52] Voice 24: that's all

[2:45:55] Voice 24: turned into a long driveway i believe it's more than 54 feet to the um to the whole uh that flat

[2:46:03] Voice 24: spot that Steve Wolverton saw.

[2:46:10] Voice 11: And then the tiny home would stay on the parking place that's close

[2:46:13] Voice 11: to the road?

[2:46:16] Voice 24: Yes. Can I say the tiny home, the parking space that's close to the road would be

[2:46:26] Voice 24: moved from its existing the existing carport would be torn down and roughly half of that if

[2:46:36] Voice 24: you're looking at the same site plan roughly half of that was in the road right-of-way but the other

[2:46:44] Voice 24: half of that carport was on our property and the tiny the parking space would go from that half of

[2:46:54] Voice 24: of the existing carport and half again into our property.

[2:47:04] Voice 24: So that's where the tear down

[2:47:05] Voice 24: of the entire old garage would be needed.

[2:47:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, Trustee Rockefeller, yeah.

[2:47:17] Voice 9: So Planner Smith, is there any way to follow up

[2:47:20] Voice 9: on if we approve it today,

[2:47:22] Voice 9: compliance with the approval permit follow

[2:47:28] Voice 13: up on parking you mean just

[2:47:30] Voice 9: follow up that it was

[2:47:32] Voice 9: being followed up on or what

[2:47:36] Voice 13: i'm not sure of your question i

[2:47:38] Voice 9: just want to make sure that the

[2:47:39] Voice 9: neighbors in the area have clear access to the road up and down visually and that people driving

[2:47:45] Voice 9: i want to make a safe spot and this is our opportunity to do so and i believe the applicants

[2:47:50] Voice 9: are going to try to do that with their vehicles and i was just wondering is there any way to

[2:47:55] Voice 9: follow up and ensure that was taking place like

[2:47:58] Voice 13: to ensure that they're not parking on the side

[2:48:00] Voice 13: of the road or no

[2:48:01] Voice 9: on like uh you know jutting onto the moti or out of the permitted area

[2:48:07] Voice 13: i mean it'd just be i guess a matter of the same bylaw enforcement

[2:48:15] Voice 13: and it's it would be difficult to to uh have something that they is binding when it's such

[2:48:24] Voice 13: an uncontrollable action okay

[2:48:27] Voice 9: well then i think i would make the motion um if that's okay with the

[2:48:31] Voice 9: chair uh

[2:48:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you've got a motion to make sure um

[2:48:37] Voice 9: i'd make the motion that the gallon island local

[2:48:39] Voice 9: trust committee approve issuance of development variance permit application to the development

[2:48:43] Voice 9: and GLDVP 2021.4 Allen and Norgang

[2:48:49] Voice 9: with the hope that they would park within their right areas

[2:48:54] Voice 9: and follow the plan.

[2:48:57] Voice 9: That's the plan.

[2:49:00] Voice 11: I'll second the motion.

[2:49:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Any discussion from trustees?

[2:49:06] Voice 11: I just said, yeah, I think we all look forward

[2:49:10] Voice 11: to this whole corner or this spot being resolved

[2:49:14] Voice 11: resolved and uh things being you know kind of pulled back and so yes good luck with that i

[2:49:22] Voice 11: know it's not an easy site to work with yeah

[2:49:26] Voice 10: this is it is challenging but you know i think

[2:49:31] Voice 10: i think you guys will be happy with this um

[2:49:34] Voice 24: the road there's a large also one to add um

[2:49:41] Voice 24: for Trustee Rockefeller, that the, there's a large, who I don't think was, came by here,

[2:49:49] Voice 24: but there's a large row of old trees that's between our existing garage and the road.

[2:49:59] Voice 24: All of those things are much more into the right of way of the road. And what we're talking about

[2:50:07] Voice 24: is, you know, another, it's an 18 foot wide, excuse me, 12 foot wide garage. So it's beyond

[2:50:15] Voice 24: that space as well.

[2:50:17] Voice 9: Oh, yeah, for sure. And I think the plan looks good, but it's on paper.

[2:50:21] Voice 9: And I just, I would expect that you guys would follow the plan on paper.

[2:50:25] Voice 24: I appreciate that.

[2:50:26] Voice 9: I

[2:50:27] Voice 24: appreciate it.

[2:50:29] Voice 10: Okay. Well, thank you. I just, I

[2:50:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): just like we haven't voted yet. I just want to

[2:50:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): a reminder that um uh well whatever else you do beside what you're going to get is if we if we

[2:50:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): vote in favor you're going to get a variance that shows certain parking spaces and those are the

[2:50:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): parking spaces that are designated for the variance and that anything else outside of that

[2:50:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): will be such still subject to the bylaws if you're using it and the parking spaces may not be located

[2:51:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): in a sat back area required in respect of a front lot line north and one and a half meters of the

[2:51:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): the sidelight line, et cetera, et cetera.

[2:51:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): So you're still going to have, there's going to be issues.

[2:51:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I just want to caution you.

[2:51:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): As I said, it's hard for me to imagine

[2:51:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): all of that length of vehicle on such a small lot.

[2:51:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): So there you go.

[2:51:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just want to caution you.

[2:51:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): I hope this doesn't continue to be an issue

[2:51:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): for you and your neighbors or your neighbor,

[2:51:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): I guess is the real question, okay?

[2:51:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): So if nobody else has any comments,

[2:51:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll call the vote.

[2:51:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): All in favor?

[2:51:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): That passes, thank you.

[2:51:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): that'll be issued now thank you thank you um thank you very much uh planner smith we're still with

[2:51:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): you we're over to uh 13.3 which is the very lengthy report um is there someone from galley

[2:51:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): from here to uh oh sorry yes trustee rockford i'm oh sorry right you're out we'll see you and

[2:52:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): We'll call you when it's time for you to come back and Jane to leave.

[2:52:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sounds

[2:52:05] Voice 9: good. Thank you so much.

[2:52:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there someone from the applicant here?

[2:52:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): I see the Maine Island Housing Society is here.

[2:52:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there someone from Galley here?

[2:52:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you recognize any names there, Planner Smith?

[2:52:26] Voice 13: Mike Hobel or Barb Grehan?

[2:52:28] Voice 12: Yeah, there's Ada Kudik as well.

[2:52:31] Voice 12: Ada as well, maybe Dion.

[2:52:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): White. So could

[2:52:35] Voice 12: you put your hand

[2:52:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): up if you'd like to be moved over, be able to speak for the

[2:52:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): opportunity? Because we don't. Okay. I see Barb.

[2:52:43] Voice 12: Okay. I'll move Barb over. And Michael.

[2:52:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you. So we'll move you and we'll get to you in a moment. So we'll just ask you to sort of sit

[2:52:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): tight for a minute while we go through the staff report. And when we get to the part where you may

[2:52:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): want to say something or we may have some questions for you um we'll come back to you so

[2:53:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): over to you planner smith thank you for your extensive report thank

[2:53:08] Voice 13: you chair rogers yeah

[2:53:10] Voice 13: another detailed uh comprehensive preliminary report for a uh affordable housing rezoning

[2:53:17] Voice 13: application for the proposed or for the galliano green property which everyone is familiar with

[2:53:25] Voice 13: and where previous in 2017,

[2:53:28] Voice 13: the property underwent a rezoning process

[2:53:31] Voice 13: to be designated in the OCP for community housing

[2:53:34] Voice 13: and to be rezoned for community housing as well.

[2:53:38] Voice 13: So this is now a new applicant,

[2:53:40] Voice 13: a new society that has taken over ownership of this property

[2:53:44] Voice 13: as the previous proposal never went forward.

[2:53:49] Voice 13: And so the new proposal is seeking rezoning of the property

[2:53:54] Voice 13: from a density of one dwelling per lot

[2:53:59] Voice 13: based on the previous proposal

[2:54:01] Voice 13: which ultimately sought a bare land strata approach

[2:54:05] Voice 13: with a common property owned by the affordable housing operator

[2:54:11] Voice 13: and with each bare land strata lot up to 20 with one dwelling unit.

[2:54:17] Voice 13: So this new proposal is for 20 dwelling units

[2:54:22] Voice 13: to exist within the existing law

[2:54:25] Voice 13: with a more traditional multi-unit residential approach

[2:54:29] Voice 13: with a single affordable housing operator.

[2:54:32] Voice 13: So as you stated, Chair Rogers,

[2:54:35] Voice 13: there's a lot of detail and a lot of information here.

[2:54:38] Voice 13: I won't go into too much detail at this time.

[2:54:42] Voice 13: Staff are making a number of recommendations.

[2:54:46] Voice 13: Staff have been working with the applicant

[2:54:48] Voice 13: for probably about a year

[2:54:51] Voice 13: and the applicant has been diligent and obviously working hard to submit as complete the application

[2:55:00] Voice 13: package as possible. The recommendations suggested today by staff are for LTC to

[2:55:09] Voice 13: proceed with the application and to direct staff to provide a draft bylaw and housing agreement

[2:55:18] Voice 13: of which proposed contents are within this staff report that the LTC seek or give direction for

[2:55:27] Voice 13: staff to enter a cost recovery agreement for a housing agreement which would be necessary if

[2:55:32] Voice 13: it gets to that point that you refer the application to the APC and that you conduct a

[2:55:41] Voice 13: community information meeting at some point in the next few months on the application

[2:55:47] Voice 13: to provide the opportunity for the applicant to present their proposal

[2:55:52] Voice 13: and for the community to get any answers to questions they may have.

[2:55:58] Voice 13: So to summarize the report, as stated, the zoning and designation are already for community housing.

[2:56:08] Voice 13: And so the proposal is just to change the density and to consider the form and character

[2:56:15] Voice 13: uh of the uh proposed uh development so the report uh provides a a bunch of uh background

[2:56:24] Voice 13: information on adjacent land uses um the conceptual site plan i won't speak to any

[2:56:32] Voice 13: of these things in detail and if obviously we'll have lots of type of questions as i'm sure you

[2:56:37] Voice 13: have many the artists rendering and with the proposal of five buildings with those 20 units

[2:56:46] Voice 13: and four of them being for the units themselves and one common building

[2:56:52] Voice 13: to service the residents with their various needs including laundry

[2:57:02] Voice 13: The applicant has been provided a Terms of Reference consistent with the DAI bylaw for

[2:57:11] Voice 13: Galliano Island that reviews all of the reports that they've submitted and provides some feedback

[2:57:17] Voice 13: as to additional items that they required.

[2:57:20] Voice 13: required. Those items were submitted and provided to LTC yesterday that included an updated site

[2:57:29] Voice 13: plan, the ecological assessment reports, revised water management plan, and they also sent

[2:57:37] Voice 13: in addition a technical memorandum that summarizes from the province that summarizes

[2:57:47] Voice 13: as I review of their water license application.

[2:57:50] Voice 13: So all of those materials are in front of LTC as well.

[2:57:55] Voice 13: And I think I will just leave it there

[2:57:59] Voice 13: as opposed to walk through each of these items

[2:58:02] Voice 13: in the long report here and just open it up for dialogue.

[2:58:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): Just a point of clarification, Brad,

[2:58:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that people watching are not unclear about this.

[2:58:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): The reports, the last set of reports you just talked about,

[2:58:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): But yes, we got yesterday, and I think one came yesterday afternoon.

[2:58:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Whether we've had a chance to digest them is another thing.

[2:58:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I know you haven't had a chance to digest them all yet.

[2:58:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): So just so people are aware, when you say it's before LTC,

[2:58:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): is we got them, but they came quite late.

[2:58:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): So that's why they're not referenced in the staff report.

[2:58:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's why they're not on the public record yet.

[2:58:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): We just simply have just received them.

[2:58:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): and they will be included in future reporting

[2:58:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): and part of the application.

[2:58:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's a good point.

[2:58:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): So nobody's misunderstanding what you meant by that.

[2:58:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): The

[2:58:57] Voice 13: staff deadline was about 10 days ago.

[2:58:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, exactly.

[2:59:01] Voice 13: One

[2:59:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the things people always forget is that

[2:59:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): because the package comes out about eight days

[2:59:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): before the LTC meeting,

[2:59:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): staff has their deadline before that.

[2:59:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): and that's usually eight or nine or three or four days or whatever it is so there's always a bit of

[2:59:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): a lead time so that's why some things don't anyway trustee wolverton do you have some

[2:59:28] Voice 11: uh trustee rogers you just yeah

[2:59:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the planner i just meant yes sorry i did okay

[2:59:33] Voice 11: um yeah well

[2:59:37] Voice 11: first of all i appreciate the mound of information uh i think there are in excess of 300 pages of

[2:59:44] Voice 11: of reports, et cetera, and I have also gone back

[2:59:47] Voice 11: to look at the previous proposal of Glitch to compare them.

[2:59:55] Voice 11: I wanna also thank Mike Hobel.

[3:00:00] Voice 11: for giving me a tour and kind of outlining the plan and um and then all the also all the neighbors

[3:00:07] Voice 11: and people who've written uh on this topic of especially on the topic of affordable housing

[3:00:14] Voice 11: and on water because that's that's uh i think a key to this um

[3:00:20] Voice 16: and

[3:00:22] Voice 11: like a lot of work has gone

[3:00:24] Voice 11: on into this application and I want to acknowledge

[3:00:27] Voice 11: the planners help and the freshwater specialists help

[3:00:31] Voice 11: in answering my preliminary questions.

[3:00:36] Voice 11: So like Trustee Rogers was saying,

[3:00:41] Voice 11: we did get some of these reports just yesterday

[3:00:44] Voice 11: and so I haven't had a chance to go through them

[3:00:48] Voice 11: as thoroughly as I would like.

[3:00:49] Voice 11: I was glad to see many of the recommendations in the ecological housing report, ecological assessment, and many of them kind of align with what I've been thinking.

[3:01:09] Voice 11: thinking. So there's some things that, before I get onto water, just some things that I

[3:01:16] Voice 11: wanted to comment on. I think in the ecological assessment there is a recommendation that

[3:01:25] Voice 11: the surfaces be permeable, and I've been reading a fair amount on asphalt and cement and so

[3:01:33] Voice 11: so on. So I would agree with the recommendation. And because it's not a heavily traveled, would

[3:01:42] Voice 11: not be a heavily traveled road, that there are some alternatives to pavement. So anyway,

[3:01:51] Voice 11: I look forward to the recommendations that Keith Erickson has made and how they will

[3:01:59] Voice 11: will be included in subsequent documents from GALI,

[3:02:04] Voice 11: but to water.

[3:02:05] Voice 11: And so when I went back into the original Glitch application

[3:02:14] Voice 11: and what was approved for Glitch were 20 units

[3:02:22] Voice 11: based on rainwater collection with a backup of the well

[3:02:28] Voice 11: when necessary or trucked in water when necessary. And I'm surprised that that kind of got in there

[3:02:37] Voice 11: because you know our trust policy is that islands should be self-sufficient in water and not be

[3:02:45] Voice 11: trucking in water. But one of my concerns is that there was only the page drive well that was

[3:02:56] Voice 11: monitored during the pump test and there are some other significant wells in the area and so I would

[3:03:04] Voice 11: like to see some pump tests that involves them. For example, Galliano Estates is a 26 property

[3:03:16] Voice 11: subdivision, I guess you'd call it, that is just across the road, just down the road a little bit

[3:03:24] Voice 11: on the backside. And so there are 26 properties, approximately 50 people living in that area.

[3:03:32] Voice 11: Page Drive has 16 residents with a plan to build another fourplex and possibly another fourplex,

[3:03:39] Voice 11: but certainly the one fourplex is part of their planning. The fire hall is a big water user.

[3:03:52] Voice 11: are daystar market um the rest are pretty pretty okay i mean i looked at the rod and gun and that's

[3:04:01] Voice 11: just periodic uh water use the corner store i'm not sure you know what kind of use they have there

[3:04:08] Voice 11: um but these wells are quite close to weather's bay you know so uh galleon and greenwells is only

[3:04:17] Voice 11: about 800 meters uh from weathers bay um so there you know i do worry about how um you know how

[3:04:30] Voice 11: what the impact of this well would be so the well density is is described as being medium to high

[3:04:36] Voice 11: at 0.17 wells per acre um the the other thing that i think well there were what they call uh

[3:04:47] Voice 11: water level interferences and that was in all of all of the tests as I understand it

[3:04:53] Voice 11: and they showed during the pump that there was significant or a drop in in the in the water

[3:05:02] Voice 11: caused by something probably in the vicinity what what caused it is not clear and it's thought

[3:05:11] Voice 11: thought possibly to be Page Drive.

[3:05:14] Voice 11: But I also wonder the community hall

[3:05:17] Voice 11: is actually not that far away

[3:05:19] Voice 11: and it's a large user of water on like not continuously.

[3:05:28] Voice 11: So I would like to see some pump tests

[3:05:33] Voice 11: that involve some of these other wells

[3:05:35] Voice 11: and then continuous monitoring data logger projects

[3:05:42] Voice 11: put on the Galeano Green well.

[3:05:46] Voice 11: So those are some of my comments so far.

[3:05:52] Voice 11: The actual, so I guess I want to make sure

[3:05:58] Voice 11: that this is, that the density that is proposed,

[3:06:03] Voice 11: the 20 units is the right density

[3:06:06] Voice 11: as much as we can tell for this property.

[3:06:10] Voice 11: I like all of the work that's gone into it

[3:06:13] Voice 11: and the plan and the design and so on I think I think you guys have been very thoughtful

[3:06:19] Voice 11: in your planning and but the water is my concern so those are my comments so far

[3:06:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): hopefully hopefully the freshwater specialist is here Mr. Schilville nice to see you again as

[3:06:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): always and it's interesting you say that I mean the first thing I wrote down when I started to

[3:06:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): read this was water water water um and it's all yeah go ahead oh

[3:06:50] Voice 11: sorry and there was one other

[3:06:51] Voice 11: comment i forgot when the woodstone in well was drilled in i think 1987 it um drained three

[3:07:01] Voice 11: neighboring wells now i know this is not a new well being drilled but you can see this there are

[3:07:08] Voice 11: quite a few wells in the vicinity, so.

[3:07:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): And the question always arises, are they connected

[3:07:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): and how does it impact on the wells of the neighbors?

[3:07:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that was the question that I'd forgotten

[3:07:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): the gentleman's name that he sent the email the other day

[3:07:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the Galliano, the plate, the development up above

[3:07:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): and said, you're operating off 11 gallons a minute

[3:07:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): it when we're really only pumping four to five and that's because it's drop drop drop drop drop

[3:07:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): and what kind of an impact and i think that's effectively the so far the reply we've received

[3:07:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): has been water and house is going to affect us so a planner smith or planner shoulder you may

[3:07:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): not have any particular answers yet but maybe you'd like to talk a little bit about some of

[3:08:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the things that Trustee

[3:08:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Wolverton raised. Either

[3:08:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): of you?

[3:08:09] Voice 13: With respect to

[3:08:10] Voice 13: water, I'll defer to William.

[3:08:13] Voice 1: Oh.

[3:08:15] Voice 1: Okay, thanks.

[3:08:18] Voice 1: Careful, Chair Rogers.

[3:08:19] Voice 1: I'm not a planner yet. Yes,

[3:08:21] Voice 1: I

[3:08:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): realized I called you a planner.

[3:08:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): I didn't mean to.

[3:08:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know if that's a demotion or a promotion.

[3:08:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's

[3:08:28] Voice 13: a serious upgrade.

[3:08:30] Voice 1: Serious promotion.

[3:08:34] Voice 1: Well, through the Chair,

[3:08:36] Voice 1: Thank you, Trustee Wolverton, for your diligent review of the documentation.

[3:08:43] Voice 1: It's quite heavy and there's complex.

[3:08:47] Voice 1: Not only the documents complex is that the analysis of groundwater resources is complex and just the nature of hydrogeology is complex.

[3:08:59] Voice 1: There's a lot of associated errors with hydrogeology inherently.

[3:09:04] Voice 1: inherently. Um, some of the, um, parameters we use for, for aquifer analysis, uh, have an error

[3:09:12] Voice 1: in the scale of magnitudes. So it's, um, yeah, I, I, um, encouraged by your, by your great review.

[3:09:22] Voice 1: And, um, I, I will, um, agree with you on, on almost all points leading to monitoring

[3:09:30] Voice 1: without monitoring we don't know what's happening so in any but monitoring can be expensive it can

[3:09:41] Voice 1: be complex and there is on the islands there's a lot of stakeholder relations with monitoring

[3:09:50] Voice 1: especially in observation wells so there's some complexities there but I believe that it's a good

[3:09:59] Voice 1: thing to go through in order to establish a um a robust short-term long uh short-term monitoring

[3:10:08] Voice 1: of say for the pumping tests um but but what really what the island needs is some stable

[3:10:15] Voice 1: funding for long-term monitoring especially in groundwater regions like the one we're

[3:10:21] Voice 1: discussion that has a lot of densities associated with it. And I'm hoping that some of those

[3:10:31] Voice 1: questions will be addressed during our groundwater project that is concurrent with these rezoning

[3:10:38] Voice 1: applications. We had some discussions previously, Trustee Wolverton, and I'm encouraged by those.

[3:10:46] Voice 1: And I believe that I'm here to support the concerns that the LTC is putting forward.

[3:10:56] Voice 1: And I'm cognizant that these rezoning applications, this one and the one next, has a professional

[3:11:05] Voice 1: hydrogeologist and whom I believe has undertaken the pumping tests in due diligence and in

[3:11:15] Voice 1: in association with the guidance documents

[3:11:17] Voice 1: that are provided by the province.

[3:11:20] Voice 1: So I have no concerns with the professionalism

[3:11:28] Voice 1: from the hydrogeologist.

[3:11:31] Voice 1: However, there can be more work done, of course.

[3:11:33] Voice 1: And so I'm here to help guide the LTC

[3:11:36] Voice 1: if you choose to request more work of the applicant.

[3:11:40] Voice 1: Kent. Can I ask

[3:11:43] Voice 1: you a question?

[3:11:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): It just struck me that I don't know what monitoring is. And

[3:11:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, technically. And it strikes me from what you just said, that there's probably

[3:11:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): various forms of monitoring that can go on. And that I'd never thought of a pump test to be

[3:12:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): monitoring but it is it's a short-term monitoring um but when we talk about these other um types of

[3:12:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): monitoring that goes on uh i think it's just referred to data monitoring or something what

[3:12:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): and you said it could be expensive can you explain that to me so that i understand that

[3:12:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): what it is we'd be asking an applicant to do if we said you have to monitor for a long

[3:12:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): you know continually ad infinitum or for a period of time or whatever thanks

[3:12:38] Voice 1: sure yeah uh thank you

[3:12:40] Voice 1: chair that's a great question so there are for groundwater um there's different types of

[3:12:45] Voice 1: monitoring for all different scientific disciplines but we're talking about groundwater

[3:12:48] Voice 1: and two um main um i guess themes or types of monitoring is event-based monitoring and

[3:12:58] Voice 1: continuous monitoring. So continuous monitoring would be a data logger with a set of sensors

[3:13:07] Voice 1: attached to that data logger that on regular intervals monitors or samples water. So the

[3:13:16] Voice 1: easiest one to discuss is a downhole pressure transducer, which means it's a sensor that looks

[3:13:24] Voice 1: at pressure. It's attached to a data logger. They're usually in the same housing and you

[3:13:29] Voice 1: can put them down the well and that will sense how much pressure is above that data logger,

[3:13:34] Voice 1: which can be converted to water level. And you can set that data logger to record at every minute,

[3:13:42] Voice 1: every hour, every day. It's consistent, it's calibrated, and it can be downloaded

[3:13:49] Voice 1: as frequently or as non-frequently as the battery and the memory provides.

[3:13:53] Voice 1: So modern data loggers can be downloaded once a year.

[3:13:57] Voice 1: And I've been on monitoring projects where I haven't seen a data logger for two years and the data was fine.

[3:14:04] Voice 1: The other type of monitoring is event-based monitoring.

[3:14:08] Voice 1: So this is going out at some sort of a regular interval or scheduled interval to do an observation.

[3:14:19] Voice 1: So for groundwater, it would be going to the groundwater well, say, every week and lowering down a groundwater monitoring tape and to then record the water level.

[3:14:34] Voice 1: level. At the surface, or that's a bad pun, but in first look, it seems like event-based monitoring

[3:14:43] Voice 1: is the cheap way to go. And it's something that anyone can, well, not anyone, but it seems like

[3:14:48] Voice 1: it can be doable with volunteer effort. However, it is very time consuming and the methodology

[3:14:57] Voice 1: and undertaking that work can be different from whoever's taking the monitoring level. So

[3:15:04] Voice 1: So in my opinion, with groundwater level monitoring, an installation of a data logger that records at a regular interval, like every 10 minutes or every hour or every minute in the case of a pumping test, or even shorter than that, is the appropriate way to go because it can be easily managed.

[3:15:25] Voice 1: And then the data is more continuous and it can identify things like well-to-well interference.

[3:15:33] Voice 1: With event-based monitoring of just putting down a groundwater tape once a week, it just creates, you don't know where in the pumping regime that you'll be sampling that water level.

[3:15:48] Voice 1: so it could be when there is interference or when there's not and that can lead to erroneous

[3:15:55] Voice 1: conclusions and in the reports that are associated with this project and the pumping test

[3:16:01] Voice 1: you can see the squiggly lines which is the hydrograph that shows the level of the well

[3:16:05] Voice 1: that has been done using a pressure transducer data logger which is a type of continuous

[3:16:11] Voice 1: monitoring the expense the uh just to uh sorry chair just to comment on no i was

[3:16:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to ask

[3:16:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): you that question so

[3:16:17] Voice 1: yeah so on the expense um i have undertaken a uh uh island wide water

[3:16:24] Voice 1: groundwater level monitoring program in salt spring island and so i'm quite familiar with the

[3:16:29] Voice 1: cost of putting in these data loggers in active wells and on the gulf islands and it really

[3:16:38] Voice 1: really depends on the well infrastructure. There's three types of wells. There's an open hole that

[3:16:44] Voice 1: has no pipes or pumps or anything in it. There is a well with a sanitary seal, and this is the

[3:16:50] Voice 1: older way of doing it, where basically the pumps and all the infrastructure is hanging from a cap,

[3:16:56] Voice 1: if you will, from the top of the well. And then there's another type of well, which is the more

[3:17:00] Voice 1: modern one. It's called the pitless adapter, where the infrastructure actually doesn't come

[3:17:05] Voice 1: out of the top of the well. It comes out just from the side, just below the ground surface.

[3:17:09] Voice 1: And to install a data logger in the open hole is quite simple. To install a data logger in

[3:17:18] Voice 1: the pitless adapter is cheaper, but that needs a registered pump installer to do so.

[3:17:24] Voice 1: And then to install a data logger into a sanitary seal is usually not recommended

[3:17:30] Voice 1: ended, um, because it takes basically pulling the pump. And so for an observation, while that's

[3:17:37] Voice 1: quite onerous, um, and, uh, to, to, to buy the data logger and to bring in a registered pump

[3:17:45] Voice 1: installer to install the, the, the data logger itself is no, is, would not be less than a

[3:17:52] Voice 1: thousand dollars, um, would not be more than, I mean, I would be very surprised if a data logger

[3:17:59] Voice 1: installation costs more than three thousand dollars so it's in that range so there is an

[3:18:05] Voice 1: associated cost i i believe that the associated cost for development is very low we're talking

[3:18:10] Voice 1: about fractions of the cost of the development however um installing a data logger at the expense

[3:18:17] Voice 1: of an applicant or even even worse so if you say at the cost of of a neighbor who has an observation

[3:18:25] Voice 1: well, that's where it's difficult to know where that cost comes from. However, I will maintain

[3:18:32] Voice 1: that monitoring your groundwater levels is a good thing to do. So if there is a collaborative

[3:18:41] Voice 1: approach, then that's probably the best way to do it. Also, I believe that in the region of this

[3:18:47] Voice 1: application, there should be a long-term observation well that would supplement the

[3:18:54] Voice 1: the observation well that's already run by the province

[3:18:57] Voice 1: on Galliano.

[3:18:58] Voice 1: Is there an observation

[3:18:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): well in this area?

[3:19:02] Voice 1: Sorry.

[3:19:03] Voice 11: Well, I was gonna say that I think the closest one

[3:19:05] Voice 11: is at the school and then there's one on Shopland,

[3:19:09] Voice 11: but there is an unused well on the Daystar property,

[3:19:13] Voice 11: which might be able to be used.

[3:19:16] Voice 11: And I think there's an unused well also on Page Drive.

[3:19:21] Voice 1: Yeah, that's excellent.

[3:19:22] Voice 1: And I hope that when we go through our groundwater project that the discussion of a community-based monitoring program arises.

[3:19:34] Voice 1: We're piloting that on Salt Spring Island.

[3:19:37] Voice 1: I'm actually doing the work myself, which is a lot of work.

[3:19:40] Voice 1: But there's other regional districts that have these monitoring programs, like the Regional District of Nanaimo.

[3:19:46] Voice 1: And so we're collaborating to make the undertaking all of this data better and easier and then ultimately less expensive.

[3:19:59] Voice 1: And we are looking to the province has encouraged us to look at non pumping wells as long term observation wells because it does look at the at the static water level in the area and it's not disturbed by having a pump in the well.

[3:20:16] Voice 1: and it can it really what those observations well wells do really well in the long term is identify

[3:20:23] Voice 1: climate but also identify the nature of the recharge so uh there's the recharge across the

[3:20:29] Voice 1: island is is so um well it's complex to begin with but it's it's different from from different

[3:20:35] Voice 1: groundwater regions so so having a groundwater monitoring well in a particular groundwater region

[3:20:42] Voice 1: will identify changes in climate over the long term,

[3:20:46] Voice 1: but in the short term,

[3:20:47] Voice 1: we'll identify the nature of recharge

[3:20:50] Voice 1: and ultimately help out with the water balance of the region

[3:20:54] Voice 1: which we've undertaken regional water balances

[3:20:58] Voice 1: for the Southern Gulf Islands.

[3:21:00] Voice 1: However, for a location like the one

[3:21:05] Voice 1: that we're talking about,

[3:21:06] Voice 1: it may be prudent to undertake a purpose,

[3:21:10] Voice 1: like a purpose specific water balance for that area and oh sorry sorry

[3:21:17] Voice 11: i was gonna say there is

[3:21:18] Voice 11: one further well unused well at the galliano hall behind the hall so that

[3:21:25] Voice 1: isn't that a shallow well

[3:21:28] Voice 1: though like

[3:21:29] Voice 11: a shallow dug

[3:21:29] Voice 1: well no

[3:21:30] Voice 11: it's a it's a drilled well okay

[3:21:33] Voice 1: um and and one other thing too

[3:21:35] Voice 1: is that a lot of these wells, the reason why they're unused is because they're probably poor

[3:21:41] Voice 1: producers or they have bad water chemistry. The thing with looking at the hydrodynamics of the

[3:21:49] Voice 1: system and looking at the change in groundwater levels is that if it's properly keyed into the

[3:21:55] Voice 1: hydrodynamics, the static water level will increase and fall in a representative way to

[3:22:01] Voice 1: the other wells in the area. The reason why it didn't produce as much water that was deemed

[3:22:06] Voice 1: feasible that it was worthwhile putting pump in is perhaps there's a fracture that can be restricted

[3:22:12] Voice 1: or there's some other issue with the well efficiency. So it may not be the best well,

[3:22:18] Voice 1: but those unused wells can be very valuable for long-term monitoring because they are

[3:22:25] Voice 1: keyed into the hydrodynamics. And that's just one last thing that I want to leave you with

[3:22:30] Voice 1: to not make this so much complex but groundwater flow and fractures and bedrock aquifers is a few

[3:22:39] Voice 1: meters per year we're talking about very slow moving systems and and often the groundwater

[3:22:45] Voice 1: wells that are that are drilled into these fractures are only using groundwater from a

[3:22:52] Voice 1: like from a capture zone that that is not that large in some cases and it they could be oblong

[3:22:59] Voice 1: down a fracture and it can be quite complex the reason why groundwater wells go up and down so

[3:23:05] Voice 1: fast when you have this weldable interference is because the pressure of removing water from the

[3:23:11] Voice 1: ground is there's a lowering of pressure in the well and that's what a pump does is to lower

[3:23:16] Voice 1: pressure so water will flow to the well so it could be removed and and that pressure response

[3:23:22] Voice 1: can be instantaneous i have a well on salt spring island that i'm monitoring that you can actually

[3:23:28] Voice 1: it's right on the coast you can see the tide move up and down in the well so and the response time

[3:23:33] Voice 1: is is almost instantaneous so when when when you hear something and and with all due respect trust

[3:23:40] Voice 1: you overton you said that when a well was drained wells drill that drain the water from the other

[3:23:44] Voice 1: wells it doesn't technically do that but if there is a significant amount of interference it can

[3:23:51] Voice 1: can actually drop the water level in a well like below the pump so then there can't be water

[3:23:58] Voice 1: removed so it's a pressure response not a water volume so yeah yeah

[3:24:02] Voice 1: thank you thank you for and

[3:24:04] Voice 1: thank you chair rogers for no

[3:24:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): no these are good things to know i mean it's never it's never always

[3:24:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): really clear what what when we where we need a data logger where we need a i mean as you talk

[3:24:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think to myself well do you put one in the well that we're talking about and another well or

[3:24:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): and another three wells or how how far do you have to monitor to be sure that that what's happening

[3:24:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): in this particular well um and we have the opinion and and indeed trustee wolverton's not is correct

[3:24:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): she was correct when you look at the the hydrogeologist report on this particular file

[3:24:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): um you know there there was some very clear uh could there seem to be some interference i i use

[3:24:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): that word not technically because i don't know if i'm using it correctly uh but there seemed to be

[3:24:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): an impact on a neighboring well

[3:24:58] Voice 1: interference interference is the right term anyway

[3:25:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): the the

[3:25:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): however the hydrogeologist said it doesn't seem to be enough to be concerned about um i mean

[3:25:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's what they said but and then we've had a neighbor say well we'd like to know about our well

[3:25:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): too um uh what about our well so we i guess we i guess i i wanted to sort of circle this

[3:25:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): conversation um back before we go to the actual because we've only talked really about water

[3:25:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): so far mostly about water um it's to the planner is uh planner smith and one of our conversations

[3:25:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): last couple of days you indicated to me that you and i think you were planning to sit down and sort

[3:25:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): of go through the water issue on this particular application with um with the freshwater specialist

[3:25:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): with mr shilba and sort of so uh i just trying to figure out in terms of our process is this

[3:25:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): time for us to consider what we'd like to see happen or is that yet to come it's

[3:26:05] Voice 13: meant to be

[3:26:06] Voice 13: be a preliminary update uh the truth is that william and i haven't had an opportunity to

[3:26:11] Voice 13: really do a detailed review of all of the reports that have been submitted as well as the water

[3:26:17] Voice 13: management plan that also has a lot of implications for water of course and so i think william and i

[3:26:26] Voice 13: have committed to take that time and to bring some more clear advice back to you i think we're early

[3:26:34] Voice 13: enough in the process that with the recommendations being made today uh there's still a lot to be done

[3:26:43] Voice 13: before we would get to a next step in consideration of moving those bylaws forward and that will give

[3:26:49] Voice 13: us some time to do that work

[3:26:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): right so you've heard the considerations of planner wolverton

[3:26:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry planner trustee wolverton i promoted you to um to trustee wolverton and myself related to

[3:27:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): that that was the part of this as i read through the application it's the part that stood out

[3:27:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): me is we got to make sure um as best we can because as as uh mr shrill said and there's

[3:27:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's some uncertainties around hydrogeology that just there just are um uh is that we'd like

[3:27:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): like to make sure as best we can that this is this is going to be a project and you're right

[3:27:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): of course it's not just about the production of the well it's also about the usage of the other

[3:27:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): end i mean you don't need a very good well if you're only going to use 20 liters a day i mean

[3:27:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm being silly but i mean if you're but you need a pretty good well if you're going to use 20 000

[3:27:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): um so um it's uh it it all depends so i i sort of i'm going to suggest that i mean the only motion

[3:27:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): that I would make that I would consider

[3:28:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): or think that we might consider at this point

[3:28:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): is to ask you to come back with recommendations

[3:28:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): on how we could address,

[3:28:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): but you're going to do that anyway.

[3:28:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): So you don't really need a motion from us

[3:28:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): to do that to you or do you?

[3:28:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): I guess that's my question.

[3:28:12] Voice 13: I think that's part of our next steps

[3:28:15] Voice 13: and especially, I know William has a thought there.

[3:28:21] Voice 13: Stepping back in terms of my view around,

[3:28:24] Voice 13: I think a continuous data logger

[3:28:27] Voice 13: makes sense and they pulled it out

[3:28:31] Voice 13: but that's just such useful data to have an ongoing record

[3:28:35] Voice 13: of water levels that from

[3:28:38] Voice 13: my somewhat layman understanding of hydrogeology

[3:28:43] Voice 13: it seems like a fairly obvious and relatively

[3:28:46] Voice 13: inexpensive way to gain more

[3:28:50] Voice 13: information as you move towards a potential decision

[3:28:54] Voice 13: on rezoning that as we've heard through the discussion there are some questions with so i

[3:29:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): actually wasn't looking for solutions i was looking for whether you needed a motion for us to

[3:29:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): you go find solutions or whether you uh or whether you were going to go do that anyway and if you

[3:29:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): came back and recommended that we

[3:29:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): could get a continuous monitoring a data logger then that

[3:29:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): we could do in july i

[3:29:18] Voice 13: guess my point is i i i i i guess my point is all the other pieces we need

[3:29:24] Voice 13: it's time to review the one piece i would think that might be useful to move forward on

[3:29:27] Voice 13: sooner rather than later just so you have more continuous data is a data logger but william can

[3:29:33] Voice 13: have his view of that i

[3:29:35] Voice 1: see through the chair go ahead i would i would um i don't want to recommend

[3:29:42] Voice 1: but i would encourage the ltc to consider what planner smith just said it's um um a data gone

[3:29:51] Voice 1: on as a data point lost. So I was actually surprised that the data logger was

[3:30:00] Voice 1: moved, I thought it would continue throughout the rezoning application and we'd have a continuous

[3:30:05] Voice 1: data set, at least from the source well. If there is an easy open hole well that observation data

[3:30:14] Voice 1: logger can be put into, that's really helpful for the reasons if you have an observation data point

[3:30:21] Voice 1: or data location or monitoring location, sorry, with a source well, you need two wells to identify

[3:30:28] Voice 1: identify storativity of an aquifer you can't just do it from one and that's the reason one of the

[3:30:33] Voice 1: reasons why we put in monitoring in observation wells um during pump testing so um yeah for for

[3:30:41] Voice 1: installation of a data logger um in the source well at the minimum that that should happen as

[3:30:48] Voice 1: sooner than later all right well

[3:30:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): i i will i mean we can talk about that in a bit but i i do want

[3:30:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): to get the applicant i mean i have some other procedural questions myself i don't have any

[3:30:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): particular but i'll turn to trustee wolverton before i have the applicant did you have any

[3:31:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): specific questions for either the planner or the freshwater specialist uh and then i

[3:31:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): was going to

[3:31:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): ask the applicant to address that issue and anything else they wanted to yes planners

[3:31:15] Voice 13: sorry uh trustee wolverton just to make

[3:31:17] Voice 13: the other point that the other key piece where ltc could

[3:31:21] Voice 13: turn their mind to today is that the ecological assessment that i know you just received but it

[3:31:27] Voice 13: provides a number of very specific recommendations around changes to their proposal for example

[3:31:34] Voice 13: moving adjusting the the location of one of the buildings uh to avoid uh dpa5 which uh ltc could

[3:31:45] Voice 13: would seek sooner rather than later with respect to their application materials.

[3:31:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, my difficulty with that is I haven't read it, but Trustee Wolverton, over to you.

[3:31:57] Voice 11: Yes, so I would, at the end of our deliberations today, like to end up with at least what I

[3:32:06] Voice 11: What I think we should be doing is a pump test and evaluating maybe three adjacent wells, you know, with that three or four.

[3:32:19] Voice 11: But at the end, also having a continuous monitoring data logger.

[3:32:25] Voice 11: And so putting that in sooner than later, I think, would be great.

[3:32:30] Voice 11: I wasn't sure. I talked a little bit with William about gray water.

[3:32:35] Voice 11: So I wasn't sure how much the applicants have looked into gray water as a supplement to their systems.

[3:32:42] Voice 11: And I can't remember if I mentioned that not having the park at the north end there, I mean, I think leaving it intact would be great.

[3:32:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we're not going to make all those decisions today, but let's see, you know, you've now made your point.

[3:33:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): if it's okay with you trustee wolverton i was going to um invite the applicants to come and

[3:33:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): speak to us specifically and particularly about the the matters that we've been raising as we go

[3:33:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): along um so mr hobo and mr and i i forgot i'm sorry i've forgotten barb

[3:33:24] Voice 11: green yeah

[3:33:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i see

[3:33:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): Mike Hobel's got his hand up. There he is. And Barb Greenhan as well, yes. You're welcome to turn

[3:33:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): your camera on, Ms. Greenhan. Mr. Hobel, welcome. Nice to see you again. You're welcome to address

[3:33:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): all of the staff report. You've heard our comments and questions and considerations and

[3:33:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): feel free to comment on that as well.

[3:33:52] Voice 21: Yeah, well, I think there are a bunch of things

[3:33:55] Voice 21: to say, but I think we all agree that water is the issue

[3:34:02] Voice 21: that we are all wanting to focus on.

[3:34:06] Voice 21: I think, and by the way, I really acknowledge

[3:34:10] Voice 21: the enormous amount of information

[3:34:12] Voice 21: that you've got to digest here.

[3:34:16] Voice 21: And we very much appreciate Gali speaking on behalf of Gali

[3:34:19] Voice 21: very much appreciates the quite comprehensive

[3:34:25] Voice 21: staff report that brad prepared about this and while he's preparing that we're sending more

[3:34:32] Voice 21: documents to him so there is a lot to digest a lot to uh understand and i don't want to talk

[3:34:40] Voice 21: about the water but i wanted to just mention another thing that um it's been mentioned as

[3:34:45] Voice 21: well that uh you know an enormous amount of work has gone into this on the part of a volunteer

[3:34:50] Voice 21: board, of course, but also on the part of our development partner, New Commons Development,

[3:35:00] Voice 21: a non-profit affordable housing developer, and all of the architects and all of the consulting

[3:35:09] Voice 21: engineers, and including, you know, Galliano's own Keith Erickson, who has provided a really

[3:35:16] Voice 21: comprehensive ecological assessment report that we are really thankful for because it really

[3:35:22] Voice 21: provides some really important additional information. And I can assure the LTC that

[3:35:29] Voice 21: we are looking at that. We're going back to our design team with that and we'll continue to work

[3:35:37] Voice 21: with the planner about any adjustments that can be made that would make the plan that we think

[3:35:46] Voice 21: is a good plan, even better. So we're committed to doing the work. On the water thing, it's been

[3:35:54] Voice 21: fascinating to listen to the conversation because we've had aspects of some of that conversation

[3:35:59] Voice 21: ourselves, of course, but just a couple of things that William was commenting on. As he knows,

[3:36:11] Voice 21: knows, but maybe not everybody does know, there was a data logger in the Galliano Green Well for

[3:36:15] Voice 21: pretty much all of last summer, at least July, August, and September, and then there was

[3:36:23] Voice 21: the well pump test, the 72-hour test that took place. The idea of leaving the data logger in

[3:36:34] Voice 21: longer, you know, that is an interesting idea, but I just wanted to emphasize that it was in there

[3:36:41] Voice 21: for the summer. I think we all recognize the challenges of water in the summer. So we were

[3:36:51] Voice 21: just monitoring what its water level was and also how it was influenced by other wells nearby.

[3:37:01] Voice 21: So that was done. And also to one thing William was commenting about, there is a sounding tube

[3:37:06] Voice 21: installed in that well so it is a more simple matter to install a data logger right and to

[3:37:16] Voice 21: pull it and all of that kind of stuff the the general comment i would make about the water is

[3:37:26] Voice 21: what folks like non-experts like us do is of course we go to the recognized experts in the

[3:37:33] Voice 21: the field and hire them to do a detailed study and the pump tests and the analysis and so on

[3:37:39] Voice 21: um so of course we went to someone who's very well known to uh the local trust committee here

[3:37:46] Voice 21: and on other islands too and that's that's al kohat um and he did his usual thorough job and i

[3:37:53] Voice 21: know william knows him and and respects his work and i think he commented about that

[3:38:01] Voice 21: so all of that information and actually this well it turns out has been quite well studied by Al

[3:38:07] Voice 21: over the years but right up into including its most recent stress test and of course all that

[3:38:15] Voice 21: information has gone off to Flynnrod to the water management branch where we have applied for a

[3:38:23] Voice 21: water license for the project and as I think Brad mentioned although I don't know if trustees have

[3:38:29] Voice 21: I've had a chance to review it.

[3:38:30] Voice 21: The provincial, the regional hydrogeologist

[3:38:33] Voice 21: who reviewed all of that material

[3:38:37] Voice 21: for our water license application

[3:38:41] Voice 21: has sent back a technical memo.

[3:38:44] Voice 21: It's hard for me to just call this a memo

[3:38:46] Voice 21: because it's multiple, it's a long report,

[3:38:49] Voice 21: but it's a technical memo.

[3:38:51] Voice 21: And I don't pretend to understand all of the details,

[3:38:54] Voice 21: but a few things did jump out for me.

[3:38:56] Voice 21: And one was the hydrologist at the province concurred with the findings and recommendations that Al Cohut had come up with.

[3:39:09] Voice 21: So I'm just saying a lot of people have looked at the water situation in that well.

[3:39:16] Voice 21: And, you know, if additional information is needed, I think we'll all look at what would be required.

[3:39:22] Voice 21: but as everybody knows doing things like well pump tests are extremely expensive and

[3:39:31] Voice 21: that's why you don't see people doing them every day right they're extremely expensive

[3:39:36] Voice 21: um so there's a lot of other things in the report that we could talk about i just wonder

[3:39:43] Voice 21: whether i think bard wanted to speak so maybe i will hold you know those other comments for a

[3:39:51] Voice 21: a minute go

[3:39:58] Voice 17: ahead yes go ahead the

[3:40:00] Voice 19: only comment I wanted to make was that we have done a pump test

[3:40:04] Voice 19: we've seen the results of it we've got a report from a hydrogeologist that is a professional and

[3:40:13] Voice 19: was engaged to provide his report which he did we've got information coming back from the

[3:40:21] Voice 19: the provincial authorities and I guess my question would be if if we did do a data logger

[3:40:31] Voice 19: in three or four wells this has been suggested so I assume the Galliano Green well plus

[3:40:39] Voice 19: two or three neighboring wells without doing the pump test without draining the water that

[3:40:51] Voice 19: we estimate would be the takeout of the going project you you you would be testing

[3:41:02] Voice 19: what the current situation is which is there's no development on that property so unless you're

[3:41:10] Voice 19: going to pump out a bunch of water that is the equivalent of what you would get when the prop

[3:41:18] Voice 19: when the project is in place what does i'd like to hear what that information would tell us

[3:41:27] Voice 19: that we don't already have a bead on through the more limited pump test

[3:41:35] Voice 19: otherwise you're going to have to run the pump all the time at what you think the project is

[3:41:40] Voice 19: going to drain in order to see what the effects on the neighboring wells are so i'm just a little

[3:41:47] Voice 19: little confused about the value of the data loggers when the project is not in operation

[3:41:55] Voice 19: and would that not be if so for instance if you put the data loggers in at this rather extreme

[3:42:07] Voice 19: uh expense and you found out for instance that there was a well in uh galliano estates

[3:42:17] Voice 19: that their well went down.

[3:42:20] Voice 19: What does that tell you?

[3:42:22] Voice 19: How does that affect the decision

[3:42:24] Voice 19: about the Galliano Green Well?

[3:42:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so that's a good question.

[3:42:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think you're talking,

[3:42:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): you may be talking about two different things,

[3:42:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): but, and that's a good question though for Mr. Shilpa,

[3:42:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you would like to, I mean, I think we've heard it.

[3:42:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, we know a pump test does something different

[3:42:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): than a data logger does,

[3:42:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): and maybe that should be clarified.

[3:42:44] Voice 1: Yeah, thanks through the chair.

[3:42:48] Voice 1: so there's there I think there's two questions there I'll address the first one about what does

[3:42:53] Voice 1: long-term monitoring tell us if there's if there's no pump test going on and there's a professional

[3:43:02] Voice 1: reason for that the same reason why the the well was monitored throughout the summer so

[3:43:09] Voice 1: So, and, and already Michael spoke to that.

[3:43:14] Voice 1: So I won't belabor that.

[3:43:16] Voice 1: However, the, it's, it's maybe not that intuitive, but groundwater drought often happens in October

[3:43:24] Voice 1: and November when the rainy season even could have started.

[3:43:29] Voice 1: There's a, a latent period of time in which groundwater recharge can happen from, from

[3:43:36] Voice 1: from meteoric water.

[3:43:38] Voice 1: So understanding when the aquifers start recharging

[3:43:45] Voice 1: is extremely important for a lot of reasons.

[3:43:50] Voice 1: Long-term monitoring, even in the absence of a pumping test

[3:43:54] Voice 1: or I think Michael said it best,

[3:43:56] Voice 1: it's kind of like a stress test of the wells efficiency

[3:44:00] Voice 1: as well as the fracture to supply the water.

[3:44:05] Voice 1: it's really a moment of time really pump tests these short-term ones and I even consider a 72

[3:44:11] Voice 1: hour pump test a short-term pump test I've been on a pump test for 21 days before so and that was

[3:44:17] Voice 1: a true aquifer test these tests often are confirming the well's ability to remove the

[3:44:23] Voice 1: water that is required of it rather than to truly test the aquifers resource so what a long-term

[3:44:33] Voice 1: continuous monitoring of say even once every hour which is 24 times per day

[3:44:39] Voice 1: can identify interference with other wells can and it just identifies the behavior of the aquifer

[3:44:49] Voice 1: and so if there is significant interference or if there's interference

[3:44:53] Voice 1: long-term monitoring can identify the significance of that interference

[3:44:58] Voice 1: interference, um, as well as it can determine the, the, the risk of, of, um, uh, I would say

[3:45:07] Voice 1: well drought where the pump is installed, can be installed at too high of a level.

[3:45:13] Voice 1: And so to understand the behavior of the static water level is as important as determining the,

[3:45:21] Voice 1: the behavior of a well during a pump test. Another comment about pump testing, because

[3:45:29] Voice 1: I've been defending pump testing in my discipline on the coast here for many years,

[3:45:35] Voice 1: and it seems like a wasteful use of water. But what a pump test does is mimic the typical water

[3:45:42] Voice 1: use of the development. So when you see a pump test and it's running all over the ground,

[3:45:46] Voice 1: it's a lot of water that's how much the that's how much water the development could potentially use

[3:45:52] Voice 1: so um i just wanted to make that point because it seemed like these it just it seemed that the

[3:46:02] Voice 1: nature of these pump tests is wasteful and it's not for the science but it's also just identifying

[3:46:08] Voice 1: how much water that these developments will be using.

[3:46:12] Voice 1: So I am not here,

[3:46:17] Voice 1: we're not putting recommendations forward as staff.

[3:46:20] Voice 1: I do think that long-term monitoring of the source

[3:46:24] Voice 1: while at the minimum is a good thing to do.

[3:46:27] Voice 1: We need more time to recommend

[3:46:31] Voice 1: if another pump test is needed.

[3:46:33] Voice 1: I wanna make that clear.

[3:46:35] Voice 1: I did not make that recommendation during this meeting.

[3:46:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[3:46:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thanks.

[3:46:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you.

[3:46:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): Barb, did you, you still have your hand up.

[3:46:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Did you still want to say something else?

[3:46:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I'd like to keep us moving.

[3:46:48] Voice 11: Also there's Ida, Ida Pudik.

[3:46:52] Voice 11: Yeah.

[3:46:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, is she part of your group?

[3:46:56] Voice 21: Ida is with New Commons.

[3:46:58] Voice 21: Yeah.

[3:46:58] Voice 21: I see.

[3:46:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, can you promote Ida then please?

[3:47:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): And she can be part of this conversation,

[3:47:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): but I just want to,

[3:47:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm just keep conscious of the time.

[3:47:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't want this to be a,

[3:47:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): we'll have lots of time to talk as we go forward,

[3:47:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): but let's not get too bogged down

[3:47:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): in what is a very interesting conversation,

[3:47:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): but we have quite a long agenda going for us.

[3:47:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): Hello, Ms. Ida, I'm sorry.

[3:47:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): I always mispronounce people's last names,

[3:47:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): but so go ahead, Ida.

[3:47:27] Voice 7: Through the chair, thank you.

[3:47:29] Voice 7: Ida Kvodich, I work with,

[3:47:31] Voice 7: I'm with the new commons development

[3:47:33] Voice 7: and we are partners to Galley Society

[3:47:36] Voice 7: on developing this project.

[3:47:39] Voice 7: So I just wanted to, first of all,

[3:47:41] Voice 7: I wanna thank everyone for very detailed review

[3:47:44] Voice 7: of all the documents that we submitted.

[3:47:47] Voice 7: Obviously, as Brad mentioned,

[3:47:49] Voice 7: we have updated and did some extra work,

[3:47:51] Voice 7: additional work to make sure that we respond

[3:47:54] Voice 7: to all potential questions from the trustees

[3:47:58] Voice 7: and from planning staff.

[3:48:00] Voice 7: So those documents obviously are just to be reviewed.

[3:48:05] Voice 7: But I just wanted to clarify how and why it was determined to test the neighboring well.

[3:48:13] Voice 7: I understand the concerns of broader impact of the well.

[3:48:19] Voice 7: But based on our conversations with the hydrogeologists, the reason why that well was tested is because the effects of Galliano Green project is the highest on that neighboring well.

[3:48:34] Voice 7: Anything further around is actually less impactful and therefore it's not as significant as the neighboring well.

[3:48:43] Voice 7: well so in that sense based on aquifer um he they made the the hydrogeologist actually made that

[3:48:51] Voice 7: recommendation that that is the well that should be tested or a 72 hours pump test and it has been

[3:48:59] Voice 7: done more than once so there are comparable data that can actually show in multiple times that

[3:49:06] Voice 7: the well is more than sufficient and the impact is not, is insignificant in terms of neighboring

[3:49:17] Voice 7: properties. So I wouldn't like, I don't want to go into further details on elaborating on the

[3:49:23] Voice 7: reports and, you know, numbers and everything that is further to be, you know, reviewed and

[3:49:28] Voice 7: talked about, but that's just the general idea on how and why the tests are determined.

[3:49:34] Voice 7: And for the data logger, just the long term, speaking about long term, you will notice in our water management plan that the plan is that we do have long term monitoring of the well and individual units that will actually show us if there is any sort of increased use,

[3:49:56] Voice 7: or if even there is any sort of, you know,

[3:50:00] Voice 7: malfunction or anything that can be addressed immediately

[3:50:03] Voice 7: without, you know, significant repercussions.

[3:50:07] Voice 7: Thank you.

[3:50:08] Voice 7: Thank

[3:50:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): you very much.

[3:50:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, Trustee Wolverton, thank you very much.

[3:50:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Did either Ms. Grahan or Mr. Povil

[3:50:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): want to address any other parts

[3:50:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): before I move back into our discussion

[3:50:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): about the motions that are before us?

[3:50:28] Voice 21: Yeah, Mike will be here again.

[3:50:30] Voice 21: No, I appreciate all the attention

[3:50:32] Voice 21: and all the time this is taking.

[3:50:33] Voice 21: I know Jane mentioned the idea of this park

[3:50:37] Voice 21: at the Northern portion of the property.

[3:50:40] Voice 21: And that concept is really,

[3:50:45] Voice 21: I'll call it a legacy of the previous owner's plan

[3:50:50] Voice 21: as part of their bare land strata.

[3:50:52] Voice 21: They were asked apparently, I believe by the previous LTC

[3:50:56] Voice 21: to dedicate a community park space and in my conversation with Jane I said you know if that

[3:51:04] Voice 21: would be because this is in the riparian area over the

[3:51:08] Voice 21: north side and it no development is going to

[3:51:11] Voice 21: happen there and if the current LTC was interested in pursuing that idea or resurrecting that idea

[3:51:19] Voice 21: of a community park there the galley would certainly be open to to doing that but it wasn't

[3:51:25] Voice 21: and any firm, you know, proposal.

[3:51:28] Voice 21: I think the last thing I would say is we just urge,

[3:51:32] Voice 21: we appreciate all the work that the trust committee

[3:51:35] Voice 21: has already done with this and particularly the planner

[3:51:37] Voice 21: and planning staff.

[3:51:38] Voice 21: And we just really support the recommendations

[3:51:42] Voice 21: that the planner has made in the staff report

[3:51:45] Voice 21: and are looking forward to working with the trust

[3:51:49] Voice 21: and moving this project forward.

[3:51:52] Voice 21: I think we all recognize there's a critical need

[3:51:55] Voice 21: for affordable rental housing on Galliano and elsewhere.

[3:52:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you very much.

[3:52:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): And thank you, Ms. Graham.

[3:52:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you, Ms. Kudich and thank you, Mr. Holden.

[3:52:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're going to have a little discussion now

[3:52:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): between Trustee Wolverton and the staff and I

[3:52:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): about how to move the recommendations from the planner.

[3:52:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): I do have another question for the planner

[3:52:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's not about water um i know that may seem anyway but the question i had was you recommended

[3:52:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): a couple of the motions you recommended were the last two were to send it to the apc and to

[3:52:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): direct that there be a cim um i i i just i just wonder whether that's a bit whether we're ready

[3:52:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): for either of those steps yet given that we just received a bunch of reports we're going to get

[3:52:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): some recommendations regarding water after you and the freshwater specialists sit down and talk

[3:52:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): after we you know it won't be the first time we talk about this and i appreciate that this would

[3:53:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): be what i would call i think unless i'm not misstating it this would be what i would call

[3:53:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): the first cim it's sort of the introductory one where the whole of the plan and where we're at is

[3:53:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): all laid out for the community as opposed to the one that you do the one you do once you've got a

[3:53:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): a housing agreement and the bylaws at a certain stage and before you have a public hearing and

[3:53:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): and there couldn't be more than one in in any case but do you think we're ready to give you

[3:53:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): that direction i mean we don't i know you don't suggest a date but i'm just wondering why we're

[3:53:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): even thinking about it yet it and i'm open to your thoughts and maybe trustee wolverton thinks

[3:53:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): we should do it but i just asked the question thanks

[3:53:51] Voice 13: chair rogers so with respect to the apc

[3:53:53] Voice 13: referral so i have been working with the applicants for a long time there's two approaches to

[3:53:57] Voice 13: applications one we get an application and then we work with the applicant on all the materials

[3:54:05] Voice 13: that are required that's probably more the approach than the other affordable housing

[3:54:10] Voice 13: proposal on your desk in this case the applicants worked to submit as much of the information as

[3:54:20] Voice 13: possible at the front end of the application and so my view is that there's enough material there

[3:54:27] Voice 13: and that the proposal is concrete enough in its current form

[3:54:32] Voice 13: that there's enough there for APC to start looking at.

[3:54:38] Voice 13: The direction for the amending by-law is in this as well.

[3:54:43] Voice 13: So staff could quickly create an amending by-law

[3:54:47] Voice 13: that they could also be having a first review of.

[3:54:50] Voice 13: And with respect to the CIM,

[3:54:52] Voice 13: am i i hear you and i agree uh and i'm i'm not thinking that would happen anytime soon but at

[3:55:00] Voice 13: least that direction would be there to start working towards okay thank

[3:55:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): you trustee wolverton

[3:55:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): do you have any other questions or things you want to raise before i invite you uh whether

[3:55:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's any motions that you want to make

[3:55:13] Voice 11: um well i i sort of feel as if we we need some more

[3:55:19] Voice 11: information before proceeding um to draft bylaws i mean the draft bylaws would indicate the density

[3:55:28] Voice 11: correct correct

[3:55:31] Voice 13: so

[3:55:32] Voice 11: i'm not 100 percent uh assured that the density is correct at 20 i mean i you

[3:55:43] Voice 11: You know, I do believe that the water, there's still, I have still a lot of questions about

[3:55:50] Voice 11: the water.

[3:55:53] Voice 13: So keeping in mind that having a draft bylaw in hand is just that, a draft bylaw, and it

[3:55:59] Voice 13: really is just a tool for community and LTC conversation, and it really would be a mechanism

[3:56:05] Voice 13: to then talk about whether that's an appropriate density or not.

[3:56:09] Voice 11: Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

[3:56:11] Voice 11: I

[3:56:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): and not it's not a perfect analogy but I think of the draft bylaw on Crystal Mountain and hoping

[3:56:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): that doesn't raise a whole bunch of questions but I think it had a certain number of uh size of

[3:56:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): huts and certain amount and then once we saw the draft we asked them to be modified etc but it

[3:56:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): gave us something to work but but your point is your point is fair I'm

[3:56:33] Voice 11: I'm prepared to make the

[3:56:35] Voice 11: the first two motions okay well then let's

[3:56:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's do those and then we'll go on to number three and

[3:56:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we can talk about consideration.

[3:56:45] Voice 11: Okay, so I would recommend that the Galleano Island

[3:56:48] Voice 11: Local Trust Committee direct staff

[3:56:50] Voice 11: to proceed with application GLRZ 2021.1 Galley

[3:56:56] Voice 11: and to prepare draft bylaws and a draft housing agreement.

[3:57:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, and I'll second that.

[3:57:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you wish to speak to that motion?

[3:57:05] Voice 11: No, but just to say that I think we're really

[3:57:08] Voice 11: at a preliminary stage,

[3:57:12] Voice 11: not exactly a preliminary stage, because we certainly have been given a ton of information,

[3:57:17] Voice 11: but as far as my feeling about the density and water, those are the key issues. I mean,

[3:57:26] Voice 11: when I go back to the old application of Glitch, I mean, they were talking about

[3:57:36] Voice 11: 40 residents and this one we're talking about 52 residents and so they were talking about rainwater

[3:57:43] Voice 11: catchment with a well backup and that was what was approved at that time so I just I just want

[3:57:51] Voice 11: to make sure that we don't get it wrong because if we if the water is affected adversely in that

[3:57:59] Voice 11: that area we have big problems you know we have it's dense we have a commercial area we have the

[3:58:06] Voice 11: fire hall uh we have the community hall so i want to make sure that we don't um make the wrong

[3:58:12] Voice 11: decision okay

[3:58:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i'll just say that just just a flag and i know we still have 22 people watching

[3:58:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): this so to me besides the other things the key decision we make every time a staff report comes

[3:58:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): to us is whether to proceed with the application or not because we have a decision to make at any

[3:58:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): point in time whether we've hit a stopping place that we're not ready to go forward any farther

[3:58:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i agree with trustee wolverton um with some of the considerations but we're but those are

[3:58:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): our considerations and we'll we'll be revisiting those but i see that this application is in a

[3:58:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): in a place where it should proceed to the steps that we have set that so i'm going to having said

[3:58:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): that i'm going to call the vote so all in favor of that so that passes with two votes so do you

[3:59:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): have a second motion you'd like to make

[3:59:04] Voice 11: yes that the island local trust committee authorized staff

[3:59:08] Voice 11: to enter into a cost recovery agreement if necessary with the applicant allowing islands

[3:59:14] Voice 11: trust legal counsel to prepare a draft housing agreement for application glrz 2021.1 galley

[3:59:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, and I'll second that.

[3:59:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): I have nothing to say.

[3:59:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you have anything you'd like to say about that?

[3:59:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, I'll call the vote.

[3:59:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): All in favor, and that passes with two votes.

[3:59:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, did you have something you wanted, some considerations about the third one?

[3:59:39] Voice 11: I'm not sure what the load is right now of the APC, whether they would be prepared to take this on.

[3:59:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): APC has Crystal Mountain as the only thing I think they have.

[3:59:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): Am I correct, Planner Smith?

[3:59:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): Smith. Correct.

[3:59:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so they'll be, and I, we heard from, from

[4:00:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): Carly that they're meeting this Thursday,

[4:00:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then they don't have anything else. So I don't know what their works, but how much they want to work and they can sort of set their, they can take their set their own schedule as well.

[4:00:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes.

[4:00:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): I

[4:00:18] Voice 13: would suggest the APC has the capacity to take on this referral if LTC chooses to refer.

[4:00:24] Voice 13: first okay

[4:00:25] Voice 11: i'll make a motion then that the galliano island local trust committee refer

[4:00:30] Voice 11: application gl rz 2021.1 galley to the galliano island advisory planning commission for comment

[4:00:38] Voice 11: okay

[4:00:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i'll i'll second that um do you have any other comments related to that okay so i'll uh

[4:00:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): call a vote and that passes with two votes um and what about the fourth recommended one i don't know

[4:00:54] Voice 11: if this if we're really ready for this I mean I think there's a because we we just got these

[4:01:01] Voice 11: reports yesterday many of them and there's more work to be done between planner Smith and

[4:01:07] Voice 11: freshwater specialist Shoba we that might be a little premature okay so why

[4:01:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't I I mean you

[4:01:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): heard my question and I'm I'm sort of and I heard we heard planner Smith say it won't be for a while

[4:01:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'd like to feel like if we make that decision that we were it's within a reasonable time frame of when we make that decision.

[4:01:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I I'd actually suggest we just defer recommendation for till the July 5th meeting.

[4:01:38] Voice 12: OK, and

[4:01:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): then we can revisit it at that time and maybe we'll be ready.

[4:01:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): Maybe we'll be a little more comfortable. Is that OK with you?

[4:01:46] Voice 11: That's fine with me.

[4:01:47] Voice 11: So

[4:01:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll move that we defer recommendation for to the July 5th LTC meeting.

[4:01:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that's been seconded, all in favor, that passes.

[4:01:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): So are there any other motions you'd like to bring

[4:02:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): to the table today, Trustee Wolf?

[4:02:03] Voice 11: No, I mean, I have mentioned the wells

[4:02:06] Voice 11: that I would like to be monitored,

[4:02:08] Voice 11: but I guess we will look at that information

[4:02:13] Voice 11: in July, possibly, we may have something.

[4:02:16] Voice 11: When

[4:02:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): they're ready, the only other one,

[4:02:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): the one that staff did recommend was to request

[4:02:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): that the data logger be put back into the subject well.

[4:02:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I didn't hear anybody say,

[4:02:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): I heard some considerations about asking for data loggers

[4:02:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): in other wells, but I didn't hear anybody say

[4:02:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): that that was a problem with putting it back

[4:02:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): into this particular well.

[4:02:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): And they did it for a number of months too.

[4:02:47] Voice 11: um so i would uh make a motion then to that effect that the continuous monitoring

[4:02:55] Voice 11: that a logger be reins reinserted into the galliano green well

[4:03:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah i don't know is reinserted the right word mr uh mr chilba uh

[4:03:09] Voice 1: i'm encouraged to hear that

[4:03:11] Voice 1: there's from michael that there's a drop tube or a sounding tube in there um so that doesn't

[4:03:17] Voice 1: need to be installed.

[4:03:18] Voice 1: So you can say that the data logger be reinstalled

[4:03:21] Voice 1: into the well.

[4:03:22] Voice 11: Okay, reinstalled.

[4:03:23] Voice 11: Yeah, okay.

[4:03:23] Voice 11: And I think-

[4:03:24] Voice 1: And I would,

[4:03:25] Voice 1: oh, sorry, Chair.

[4:03:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): No, go ahead.

[4:03:27] Voice 1: I would

[4:03:27] Voice 1: suggest a monitoring frequency

[4:03:30] Voice 1: of no greater than every hour,

[4:03:36] Voice 1: every 15 minutes would be ideal.

[4:03:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, you know, I'm a little uncomfortable

[4:03:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): making those kinds of technical motions.

[4:03:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): patients um so i i can i leave it to you to let them know i mean they've heard you as to what

[4:03:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): they want to what you would like to see uh in terms of data and uh you know they'll understand

[4:04:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): at some point that if you get data and you go oh it's on once a day that's not going to do me any

[4:04:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): good but nobody's going to do that so so the motion is to re-re-re no it wasn't reinserted

[4:04:14] Voice 17: reinstall reinstall

[4:04:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you reinstall the data model on the on the subject well which was well

[4:04:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): 2340 or something i forgot my name doesn't matter we'll know which well we're talking about so i'll

[4:04:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): second that motion um do you have any further comments uh trustee wolverine

[4:04:33] Voice 11: no it's um it's

[4:04:36] Voice 11: It's Will 91453 WTN.

[4:04:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'll second that.

[4:04:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thanks and call a question all in favor.

[4:04:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't have any other motions.

[4:04:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): I look forward to, I know what the process will be

[4:04:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): that Planner Smith and to some extent

[4:04:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): Will and Sobel will work with the applicants.

[4:05:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, I'm confident that the, based on the comments

[4:05:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): from Mr. Holden and others that you'll take into account

[4:05:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): out the environmental uh the ecological assessment and we may see some changes my experience this

[4:05:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): will be the fourth um affordable housing project that i've sort of been tasked with helping the

[4:05:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): shepherd through and my experience is is that the layout and the and the uh the adjust it

[4:05:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): are iterative things get adjusted as more information comes to light um and and that's

[4:05:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's perfectly fine.

[4:05:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): Everybody knows that that's the case.

[4:05:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that even when you get a final drawing until you get your funding and

[4:05:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): you know exactly what your funding is, things are iterative.

[4:05:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): So things can change, but we'd like,

[4:05:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): we will like as much information as we can possibly have as will the

[4:05:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): community like as much so that they can look at it and be comfortable with

[4:05:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): what it is that's being proposed.

[4:05:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): So with that,

[4:05:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't think there's any other motions on this particular matter.

[4:06:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there anything else from you planner Smith?

[4:06:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): man trustee Wolverton thank you very much for engagement thank you very much for joining us

[4:06:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): today we look forward to seeing you I'm sure it'll be a number of times and probably look

[4:06:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): forward to working towards a community information meeting hopefully hopefully in person would be

[4:06:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): great to get back I and I look forward to coming and seeing the site I Planner Smith took me in

[4:06:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): the one end uh the um not the gorgeous road but the other one the galeo a and i just sort of saw

[4:06:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): about about 100 yards of it but that was about two years ago and but i really look forward to

[4:06:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): seeing the rest of the property and and getting an opportunity to have you show me what your vision is

[4:06:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you thank you very much thank you very much

[4:06:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): and

[4:06:57] Voice 11: can we take a short break and yeah

[4:06:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's let's get uh you can actually go and to hear it

[4:07:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): and come back oh right do

[4:07:06] Voice 11: you want to

[4:07:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i don't need i'm fine planner smith do you need a break

[4:07:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): hold

[4:07:12] Voice 5: on do you

[4:07:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): need a break planner smith i'm

[4:07:19] Voice 13: okay if you want to carry on here

[4:07:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah well i

[4:07:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's later that yeah it's it's 4 30 4 4 40 uh we're at 13.4 and we have a number of internal

[4:07:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): colonel managed to talk about plus the final town hall so we've got a ways to go but okay i'm gonna

[4:07:34] Voice 11: i've uh tahira's been notified and i'll leave right now thank

[4:07:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): you very much

[4:07:40] Voice 13: i'm just gonna

[4:07:41] Voice 13: step away for two minutes chair rogers yeah

[4:07:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's fine let's take two minutes and um and then we'll

[4:07:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): carry on i thank you for the patience and everybody that's here um we knew this was

[4:07:52] Voice 18: a bit of a long

[4:07:53] Voice 18: agenda. Welcome back. So

[4:08:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): the planner has stepped out just for a moment. Thank you for your patience

[4:08:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): as well. We're at the Giggers report, which for everybody watching is at pages 349 to 363. I think

[4:08:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): I saw Ms. Doty here. Not sure if there's anybody. Oh, and I saw somebody else that I'm not sure who

[4:08:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): who else was here that might want to address the application.

[4:08:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trying to recognize a name, maybe Joanne Randall.

[4:08:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm not sure.

[4:08:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, I think Jeff, Mr. Inverarty on that board as well.

[4:08:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anybody know?

[4:08:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes.

[4:08:50] Voice 18: Put

[4:08:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): your hand up.

[4:08:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): Could you promote Colleen?

[4:08:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there anybody else that wishes to be available

[4:08:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): to speak to the application?

[4:08:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): Just put your hand up and I'll get Naples to promote you.

[4:09:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): you

[4:09:01] Voice 13: thank you oh

[4:09:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): maybe they all took two minutes as well not seeing anybody uh whose hand is that

[4:09:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): andrew loveridge is

[4:09:14] Voice 18: he with the giggers be

[4:09:20] Voice 13: colleen or lisa or jeffrey and ver

[4:09:23] Voice 13: yeah

[4:09:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay well they have the opportunity to be promoted if they wish i've i've named them so

[4:09:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): over to you mr sorry planner smith

[4:09:32] Voice 13: just a quick update on the giggers uh proposal i won't spend

[4:09:37] Voice 13: a lot of time on the report as time is running but uh just to provide an update the housing

[4:09:42] Voice 13: agreement and covenant continues to be a work in progress and staff are working with young anderson

[4:09:48] Voice 13: on those components as suggested in the last staff report the there's a provision of the

[4:09:59] Voice 13: summary of agency referrals so five referrals were received from different agencies they're

[4:10:05] Voice 13: summarized there all of them recommend approval some of them with conditions and as we talked

[4:10:10] Voice 13: about the there's a note there specific to the flnro comments and how they were subsequently

[4:10:18] Voice 13: made moot by their farther review and and then the draft water management plan is also attached

[4:10:28] Voice 13: attached and uh similar to the previous application uh uh Freshwater Specialist

[4:10:37] Voice 13: and I really need some time to uh digest that document and provide some uh specific comments

[4:10:43] Voice 13: back to uh LTC uh in due course okay

[4:10:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): um trustee

[4:10:57] Voice 18: Wolverton do you have questions

[4:11:02] Voice 9: um actually she reaccused herself it's just me oh i'm sorry sorry

[4:11:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): i i i am i've made more mistakes today about names and other things than

[4:11:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's

[4:11:15] Voice 9: okay i thought you might think she was still here i don't know no

[4:11:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): i know she's not

[4:11:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): um

[4:11:19] Voice 9: uh i had a couple questions for the planner or possibly the freshwater specialist shoba

[4:11:27] Voice 9: but I think it's just comments too maybe I don't have any questions maybe well maybe I do I don't

[4:11:39] Voice 9: know if they're questions or comments do you have a preference right now

[4:11:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): let's have questions

[4:11:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): unless they're questions besides disguised as comments

[4:11:50] Voice 9: well I'm going to go with no questions

[4:11:52] Voice 9: questions right now, then?

[4:11:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, this is sort of a question.

[4:12:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): And maybe it's the same one that Trustee Rockefeller had,

[4:12:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm not sure.

[4:12:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I encourage the,

[4:12:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): if the applicant wishes to come over to talk to us,

[4:12:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm hoping we're not having technical problems.

[4:12:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): But I noted from the water management plan

[4:12:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): that there is a recommendation

[4:12:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): that a well data logger be installed.

[4:12:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that seems to be a,

[4:12:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): that was a request as I understand it from Ms. Marguson

[4:12:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): and perhaps people she represents.

[4:12:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I wondered whether or not, Planner Smith, you had any comment related to that or some other way.

[4:13:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): I appreciate that the hydrogeologists, the provincial hydrogeologists and Mr. Fulba have all basically said we're satisfied that the well interference issue is not an issue.

[4:13:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm sorry about my hats.

[4:13:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): But now we have this issue, this question, and I heard freshwater specialists say at another meeting that the well data logger was a valuable piece of information.

[4:13:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): We haven't had one here, and it appears to be something that's been the focus of some of the comments from some of the neighbors.

[4:13:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I wonder what you think about that as a requirement on this particular application.

[4:13:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): either of you or the trustee in rockefell i

[4:13:55] Voice 13: don't know i'll speak from a planning perspective and

[4:13:57] Voice 13: then defer to william i think uh any well any any extra data points that show uh provide

[4:14:06] Voice 13: additional information for ltc in uh this complex uh question of not only uh water demand and

[4:14:18] Voice 13: and supply for water license approval,

[4:14:22] Voice 13: but LCC's responsibility to turn their mind

[4:14:25] Voice 13: to broader issues of water sustainability

[4:14:28] Voice 13: and changing climate and existing users,

[4:14:31] Voice 13: all of those things, more data

[4:14:35] Voice 13: from a continuous monitoring tool

[4:14:40] Voice 13: that provides you changes and fluctuation over time

[4:14:44] Voice 13: would be of real value.

[4:14:45] Voice 13: you

[4:14:51] Voice 1: um yeah uh through the chair um i i i believe that there should not be an affordable housing

[4:14:59] Voice 1: multi-family housing new develop in the island's trust area on groundwater that's not monitoring

[4:15:06] Voice 1: their groundwater level and i've maintained that in all of my referrals to the province um

[4:15:11] Voice 1: and water licensing and so it is um i'll maintain it's a good idea here i i will say that there was

[4:15:20] Voice 1: a data logger in in this well um during uh pump testing there's data logger installed

[4:15:26] Voice 1: but there's also a data logger installed uh for a period of 20 days and that's in the um cohort

[4:15:33] Voice 1: report or the hygeo report sorry so um i believe that there is a sounding tube and if there's not

[4:15:41] Voice 1: then there should be one installed um for this purpose um so yeah i'll leave it at that can i

[4:15:48] Voice 13: Can I just make one point? Can I just clarify that the water management plan speaks to the need for a water monitoring post construction where you would be monitoring use and ensuring that it meets, it's under the license requirements versus what the neighborhood is currently seeking,

[4:16:12] Voice 13: which is monitoring now of fluctuations in water levels

[4:16:18] Voice 13: prior to development,

[4:16:20] Voice 13: so that you can actually monitor well levels

[4:16:23] Voice 13: during these low summer months,

[4:16:24] Voice 13: as opposed to relying on just one single pump test

[4:16:27] Voice 13: with a safety factor application.

[4:16:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): And just before we carry on our conversation,

[4:16:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes, Ms. Doty, I see you.

[4:16:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Maple, please promote Colleen, and I didn't see Lisa,

[4:16:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): but if she's here, she can be promoted as well.

[4:16:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we'll come to you in a moment thanks go ahead to hear

[4:16:47] Voice 9: so I guess on that topic then

[4:16:51] Voice 9: perhaps requesting the applicant to just install a data logger over the summer months in particular

[4:16:58] Voice 9: is that data hasn't been incorporated in any reports and it won't potentially stall the

[4:17:05] Voice 9: application at all because the water management plan is still undergoing detailed review and the

[4:17:10] Voice 9: the housing agreement is still under review as well.

[4:17:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): So let's ask, that's good question.

[4:17:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Let's ask Ms. Doty what she has to say about that.

[4:17:21] Voice 14: Okay, thank you.

[4:17:22] Voice 14: Yes, there was a bit of disconnect there, I guess,

[4:17:24] Voice 14: when I was in the process of being promoted.

[4:17:27] Voice 14: I did catch Planner Smith's comments

[4:17:32] Voice 14: about the water management plan recommendation

[4:17:35] Voice 14: to have a data logger,

[4:17:36] Voice 14: what is indeed about post-construction.

[4:17:39] Voice 14: yeah yeah okay so as long as that's clear um

[4:17:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): but that yeah that's that recommendation we're asking

[4:17:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): about pre-construction

[4:17:47] Voice 14: right so um miss green had asked a question um during the galiano green

[4:17:54] Voice 14: application um which i not clear was um completely answered and i would like to get a better

[4:18:02] Voice 14: better understanding of the rationale

[4:18:05] Voice 14: of having more data monitoring in the project well

[4:18:09] Voice 14: at this point because seasonal fluctuations

[4:18:15] Voice 14: of groundwater are already known and established,

[4:18:18] Voice 14: but what will monitoring that add to the further body

[4:18:22] Voice 14: of data that we already have with respect

[4:18:25] Voice 14: to groundwater fluctuations.

[4:18:28] Voice 14: Mayor

[4:18:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): Mrakas, Okay, that's a sorry to her, did you want to address that first no

[4:18:33] Voice 9: I, if you want to address it go ahead,

[4:18:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): no, no, I was going to turn to the the the freshwater specialist, but well, I

[4:18:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): have nothing I have nothing, if

[4:18:42] Voice 9: he would like to respond to that that's great i'm happy to otherwise.

[4:18:46] Voice 1: Mayor Mrakas, Okay, thank you chair Rogers and trustee Rockefeller um I almost echo what I just mentioned on on the last application that.

[4:18:56] Voice 1: it and can

[4:18:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just say one thing we need to always recall trustee rockefeller wasn't there yeah and

[4:19:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): so she didn't hear the discussion about the cost and she didn't hear the discussion about

[4:19:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): about the value etc so please feel free to fill us in on on the value of monitoring and i just

[4:19:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): want to clarify something miss grianne uh the question that that was addressed was what's the

[4:19:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): the value in monitoring a variety of wells around the area as opposed to the application well. But

[4:19:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think Ms. Doty is asking the question, what's the value in monitoring? Is there any value in

[4:19:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): getting data monitoring on the actual application well at this stage in the process? And I think

[4:19:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's a fair question because I don't know the answer.

[4:19:46] Voice 1: Yeah, it's a great question. And

[4:19:49] Voice 1: And the short answer is yes, there is value to the applicant as well.

[4:19:57] Voice 1: It can provide value to the Islands Trust.

[4:20:02] Voice 1: And so I'll just, I mean, I can be here all afternoon trying to assure that monitoring

[4:20:12] Voice 1: of the most precious resource on the site

[4:20:17] Voice 1: in the process of creating a sustainable water supply

[4:20:26] Voice 1: is just paramount.

[4:20:28] Voice 1: I will try to distill it down to two.

[4:20:32] Voice 1: For the benefit of the applicant,

[4:20:37] Voice 1: monitoring groundwater levels safe from now,

[4:20:41] Voice 1: which is still a recharge time, if not steady state, throughout the summer and then into the

[4:20:48] Voice 1: winter period will determine the timing of recharge of the well and will also show the

[4:20:58] Voice 1: lower water levels that will occur just from the movement of recharge through the system.

[4:21:09] Voice 1: So that can help with determining where to place the pump, and it can also provide insight to any potential well interference from other wells that can be helpful in determining not only the significance of interference,

[4:21:28] Voice 1: But also, if there is interference, it will be able to give insight to the well behavior of other wells in the area as it relates to interference of the well.

[4:21:41] Voice 1: it's actually a really opportune time since the project well is quiescent right now that it should

[4:21:51] Voice 1: be the static water level and monitoring that is actually a significant advantage and opportunity

[4:22:00] Voice 1: before this well is used in production. And for the Islands Trust as well as for further analysis

[4:22:09] Voice 1: of the of the water source having a longer term monitoring period can be used for water balance

[4:22:17] Voice 1: specifically for that groundwater region which there has been water budgets developed for all

[4:22:24] Voice 1: the groundwater regions in the southern gulf islands that we'll be presenting to the community

[4:22:28] Voice 1: in the summer however that was a regional approach we can take a more dedicated approach

[4:22:33] Voice 1: to this particular groundwater region but having that water budget supported by

[4:22:42] Voice 1: water table fluctuations is I mean it calibrates the whole model it actually creates the model and

[4:22:51] Voice 1: I I'm not going to borrow the LTC with with the with the academic and professional rationale for

[4:22:58] Voice 1: water table fluctuations for water budgets i'll just uh encourage you to take that advice from

[4:23:04] Voice 1: a professional hydrogeologist and myself that it is um more than valuable information it is

[4:23:10] Voice 1: it is the the crux of knowledge um and and so that that can uh facilitate um a lot of different

[4:23:19] Voice 1: questions that arises from the ltc or or the applicant i

[4:23:25] Voice 18: have another i

[4:23:26] Voice 14: have another question

[4:23:28] Voice 14: for Mr. Schilbach, the chair. You mentioned the potential of identifying other well interference.

[4:23:36] Voice 14: However, in a 72-hour pump test that Mr. Kohut had done with Ray Williams, it was found that

[4:23:43] Voice 14: there was no well interference, no discernible impacts from neighboring wells. So I'm wondering

[4:23:50] Voice 14: in our situation with diggers, you know, interference doesn't seem to be an issue here.

[4:23:59] Voice 1: I'm not willing to say that. I mean, it was just a moment in time in which the well was pumped.

[4:24:07] Voice 1: If you do look at the water level after the 72 hours, there are indeed interference marks. It

[4:24:19] Voice 1: it can be from a number of reasons. It's perhaps the tidal effects are greater than the interference

[4:24:29] Voice 1: itself. It could be that in December, everything is completely saturated and water levels are at

[4:24:36] Voice 1: its highest and you won't see interference. Interference is felt mostly in the lower period

[4:24:42] Voice 1: period of time which is August September October and so when this whole thing was

[4:24:49] Voice 1: recharged to the max in December so whether or not there was interference noted or if it was

[4:24:59] Voice 1: monitored in in in December is is kind of beside my reasoning to for longer term monitoring

[4:25:09] Voice 1: and and so just to that being said i do not dispute the the methodology or the findings from

[4:25:17] Voice 1: from uh hygeo okay

[4:25:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah those findings have been as i said before those have been through you

[4:25:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): they've been through the provincial hydrologist they've been through mr hygeo they've all been

[4:25:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): established i think what we're talking about is something different yes um and uh so okay is there

[4:25:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): there anything else miss dodie you'd like to ask or say um

[4:25:39] Voice 14: well i know that lisa gopro has been

[4:25:42] Voice 14: trying to she is available and she's been having i guess she has her hand up but i don't know if

[4:25:47] Voice 14: people can i

[4:25:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): can't see her hand up

[4:25:49] Voice 14: no um

[4:25:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i actually can't see unless she is she on the phone

[4:25:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): by some chance no

[4:25:58] Voice 14: do you see babes in the woods no

[4:26:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): um i don't see her i don't see

[4:26:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): i don't see babes in the woods um i don't see her at all um and as i said we have one telephone call

[4:26:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh phone phone and call listener um what it may be is it star six it's

[4:26:24] Voice 12: um star nine to um raise

[4:26:26] Voice 12: your hand and digitally and then star six to unmute and mute yourself so

[4:26:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): if that i don't know

[4:26:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): if that's lisa or not but um yeah

[4:26:36] Voice 12: we could try to identify in the first second if you want chair

[4:26:39] Voice 12: rogers yeah

[4:26:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): why don't you unmute that

[4:26:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): phone call for a minute just to make sure it's not lisa

[4:26:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): right if

[4:26:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): it is you lisa star six yourself unmute yourself we

[4:26:50] Voice 14: did have further comments about some

[4:26:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): information

[4:26:53] Voice 14: that was put forward during town hall i have some comments um in response to that

[4:27:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay i

[4:27:02] Voice 14: can get into them now um i won't be too long um hey

[4:27:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): i just started remember they're mostly

[4:27:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): focused around the wildfire assessment about the data log here but yes go ahead right

[4:27:14] Voice 14: so there was

[4:27:15] Voice 14: a question um and some surprise expressed about a february 16 2021 letter from al pohut um and the

[4:27:24] Voice 14: origins of that letter arose ironically from concerns raised by concerned neighbors that

[4:27:29] Voice 14: Giggers estimated number of residents was too low so Al Kohut was asked by Giggers in February of

[4:27:36] Voice 14: 2021 to demonstrate proof of water based on his findings from the 72-hour pump test for a larger

[4:27:43] Voice 14: theoretical occupancy that if for some strange reason residents all had twins one year and we

[4:27:50] Voice 14: ended up with 48 people at Georgia View then there would be enough water to support the development.

[4:27:55] Voice 14: As people will note in the water management plan, there are different ways of calculating anticipated occupancy, and we wanted to demonstrate due diligence and proof of water in calculating for a theoretical maximum number of occupants.

[4:28:10] Voice 14: and the qualified professionals working on both the water management plan and the professional

[4:28:15] Voice 14: hydrogeologist Al Kohut, they all have indicated that the number of 48 is highly unlikely and that

[4:28:24] Voice 14: the estimated occupancy is likely going to be around 35. And both professional hydrogeologist

[4:28:31] Voice 14: Al Kohut and the regional hydrogeologist Sylvia Barroso have both determined sufficient capacity

[4:28:38] Voice 14: capacity for the proposed application, including allowance for potential seasonal fluctuations

[4:28:43] Voice 14: in groundwater.

[4:28:45] Voice 14: There was, let's see, a second, yeah, the second issue, of course, was about the request

[4:28:52] Voice 14: to compel giggers to do a fuel load study.

[4:28:55] Voice 14: And should this rezoning go ahead, the Housing Society would only be responsible for managing

[4:29:01] Voice 14: two hectare lot according to our fire smart principles that have been publicly published.

[4:29:06] Voice 14: We are not responsible for managing our neighbors' lots.

[4:29:10] Voice 14: The Affordable Housing Society would actually mitigate the fire risk in the neighborhood

[4:29:15] Voice 14: and would be an improvement to the local area from a fire risk perspective.

[4:29:20] Voice 14: And the Galliano Island Community Wildfire Protection Plan, although outdated,

[4:29:26] Voice 14: identifies the proposed project area as low to moderate risk.

[4:29:30] Voice 14: And finally, all of Galliano is a forest and subject to varying levels of fire risk.

[4:29:36] Voice 14: those were my comments I don't know if Lisa is available I

[4:29:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't seem to have found her

[4:29:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): whoever the the phone call didn't unmute so it's not her and I just don't say her and so

[4:29:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): all I can suggest is unless you have to know what she was going to say

[4:29:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): is that she can write to us so right

[4:29:56] Voice 14: I do know what she was going to say and she was going

[4:30:00] Voice 14: to respectfully request that given that Diggers has,

[4:30:03] Voice 14: our application has been in a holding pattern

[4:30:07] Voice 14: for several months because of the housing agreement

[4:30:09] Voice 14: and a desire to kind of queue up or tee up

[4:30:13] Voice 14: our housing agreement with the main island housing agreement

[4:30:19] Voice 14: it's sort of been in a holding pattern

[4:30:20] Voice 14: and we would really like to see some movement forward

[4:30:25] Voice 14: in terms of, you know, second and third reading

[4:30:29] Voice 14: and planning for a public hearing at least the scheduling of it um you know in the month or two

[4:30:35] Voice 14: ahead thank you for your considerations of our file thank

[4:30:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): you i thank you trustee rockefeller

[4:30:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): did i see your hand up or were you just stretching i

[4:30:45] Voice 9: don't think my hand was up

[4:30:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay so did you have

[4:30:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): a motion you wanted to make you sounded like you might have wanted to make a motion no

[4:30:52] Voice 9: i just had

[4:30:53] Voice 9: well not initially I had some comments that maybe the applicant or the planner or the water

[4:31:00] Voice 9: specialist could comment on um did you want to finish off with your what you'd started though

[4:31:07] Voice 9: uh chair rogers with the data logger uh

[4:31:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): well I I frankly thought you were going to make that

[4:31:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): motion and we're gonna we're gonna work towards that but that's up to you um

[4:31:19] Voice 9: the I guess what I

[4:31:23] Voice 9: I was, well, before freshwater specialist Shilpa answered his very, very comprehensive and good

[4:31:30] Voice 9: answer. I guess what I was thinking on the data logger would be that there's no harm in having

[4:31:37] Voice 9: more information. If anything, it's going to add to our ability to make a good decision.

[4:31:43] Voice 9: In no way do I ever want to hamper an affordable housing development on Galliano with unnecessary

[4:31:50] Voice 9: necessary requests because it's something we so desperately need. However, I also don't want to

[4:31:57] Voice 9: undermine the future potential of the residents that may live there if there's water trouble.

[4:32:03] Voice 9: So I really want to show that I've done due diligence and in doing so, I will request that

[4:32:10] Voice 9: we ask the applicant to have installed a data logger for the summer months until the end of

[4:32:16] Voice 9: of October and

[4:32:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): provide that information to that data to the trust yes and

[4:32:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): is this a one-off for

[4:32:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): like four months or is it a continual request just so we're clear um

[4:32:32] Voice 9: I well I mean then I mean

[4:32:35] Voice 9: I would probably in the once we look at the water management plan in its totality after the details

[4:32:40] Voice 9: I looked at by staff I would maybe go with their recommendations and if the

[4:32:48] Voice 9: hydrogeologist study was it waterline that recommended a data logger all year round

[4:32:54] Voice 9: I can't recall which study that was I

[4:32:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't remember either yeah

[4:32:59] Voice 9: anyway I mean a professional

[4:33:01] Voice 9: has recommended that it's a useful data to have and I and it's something I think that could inform

[4:33:06] Voice 9: form future developments too so okay

[4:33:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): before i get the motion crafted by with carly i'm going to go

[4:33:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): to i saw planner smith with her and his hand on i

[4:33:17] Voice 13: think she kind of uh she adjusted herself so

[4:33:20] Voice 13: okay

[4:33:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): so um oh now i see another hand up and the attendees who is that just make sure oh carmina

[4:33:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're not at a stage where we're taking public comment you'll have to wait till the town hall

[4:33:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): um so um uh the uh so uh uh could we carly could you read back what you wrote down from

[4:33:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): what trustee rockefeller said sure

[4:33:51] Voice 8: that the galliano island local trust committee requests

[4:33:53] Voice 8: that the applicants install a continuous monitoring data logger on the subject well

[4:33:58] Voice 8: until the end of october and provide that information to the islands trust is that your

[4:34:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): intention trustee archipelago um

[4:34:05] Voice 9: yeah we'll do get to capture a picture of the summer months but

[4:34:08] Voice 9: i'm not sure if i should include further but i think oh sorry the fresh water specialist has

[4:34:14] Voice 9: his hand up that might help me uh

[4:34:18] Voice 1: thank you yeah um sometimes we see in some wells on salt

[4:34:22] Voice 1: spring island that halloween is actually the lowest groundwater level and it doesn't start

[4:34:27] Voice 1: recharging until November so I would maybe suggest going to December 1st or the end of the calendar

[4:34:34] Voice 1: year.

[4:34:37] Voice 13: In my view more data is better so and also I in my view while we have historical seasonal

[4:34:47] Voice 13: patterns we're in such a state of global change that those historical patterns may render

[4:34:52] Voice 13: themselves less useful in the future and so for example in the future our recharge patterns might

[4:35:01] Voice 13: change dramatically if we continue to have drought filled winters and springs so establishing a

[4:35:10] Voice 13: longer term baseline is better in my view but that's up to LTC to decide. William I don't know

[4:35:19] Voice 13: what your thoughts are there but so

[4:35:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): you had two suggestions there one is to make it more ongoing

[4:35:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): and second is to make it till the end of uh november uh do you wish to be i i'm prepared

[4:35:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): to support you whichever way you'd like to go on this figure so um

[4:35:33] Voice 9: well i guess i don't want

[4:35:35] Voice 9: to hold up the application until the end of december uh perhaps well

[4:35:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's not necessarily

[4:35:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): going to hold up yeah

[4:35:41] Voice 1: i i i through the chair um um i i agree with planter smith this should be

[4:35:48] Voice 1: just the start of the long-term stable monitoring of the swell to infinitum.

[4:35:56] Voice 1: And I'm not suggesting that the application be held up till the end of the calendar year to get

[4:36:02] Voice 1: the data in. What I'm really suggesting is groundwater monitoring should start as soon

[4:36:09] Voice 1: as possible. And that would give the opportunity, it'd actually benefit the applicant quite

[4:36:16] Voice 1: significantly to have the whole season from this recharge-ish time that we have. It's dropping now

[4:36:23] Voice 1: but throughout the summer for their uses to understand their resource and where they're

[4:36:28] Voice 1: going to install the pump but then also for our purposes of identifying the sustainability of the

[4:36:35] Voice 1: water supply and not adjacent to water licensing and the professional and the regional hydrogeologists

[4:36:46] Voice 1: that you know this is this is to um support those decisions that were made um by the province

[4:36:54] Voice 1: respecting their mandate and this is to forward the island's trust mandate thanks

[4:37:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah so yeah

[4:37:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustee rockefeller your motion is still out there it hasn't been seconded so you can amend it you

[4:37:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): can do what you want okay

[4:37:08] Voice 9: that's i was just thinking so then to install a data logger

[4:37:13] Voice 9: continuously um indefinitely and then when then when we can want to access the data when it comes

[4:37:21] Voice 9: forward for the final or the next readings then we'll have it available well

[4:37:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): the other thing is

[4:37:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think about as i listen to this conversation of course we've got i mean we're going to get a

[4:37:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): section 219 proposed covenant right at some point um planner smith that

[4:37:39] Voice 13: would be uh likely yeah

[4:37:41] Voice 13: Yes, absolutely.

[4:37:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think we've given some direction around that.

[4:37:45] Voice 13: Oh, sorry, I'm thinking of GALA.

[4:37:47] Voice 13: Yes, absolutely, with GIGRs for sure.

[4:37:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, I mean, we've given some direction about that,

[4:37:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): which we haven't seen.

[4:37:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): And we could add, for example,

[4:37:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): a provision related to this into the covenant as well.

[4:37:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): If that was the kind of thing that we thought was necessary,

[4:38:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): it sounds to me like talking to the applicant,

[4:38:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): they're intending to do it for their own purposes,

[4:38:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): for operational purposes.

[4:38:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah,

[4:38:09] Voice 13: I would suggest that future monitoring requirements would absolutely be captured in Covenant.

[4:38:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, okay.

[4:38:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, okay, so we have a motion.

[4:38:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): It sounds to me like now the motion just simply reads that the applicant be requested, or whatever the language is, to install a data monitor.

[4:38:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sorry, I'm getting tired.

[4:38:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): the data monitor well data monitoring uh uh to and what was the word that was used i mean i know

[4:38:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): we put it until but i think you just want it put there and left

[4:38:41] Voice 9: yeah but i mean like as soon as

[4:38:44] Voice 9: possible yeah

[4:38:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): so carly could you read back please i know that may have been confusing i

[4:38:53] Voice 9: can try to

[4:38:53] Voice 9: craft it again i

[4:38:54] Voice 8: think i've got it that the galleon island local trust committee requests

[4:38:57] Voice 8: the applicants install a continuous monitoring data logger on the subject well as soon as possible

[4:39:02] Voice 8: and provide that information to the islands trust yeah

[4:39:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): i think that's what you intend yeah that's

[4:39:07] Voice 8: what i intended okay

[4:39:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): so i'm going to second that motion do we need to have any more conversation

[4:39:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): about it thank you very much i know calling i know miss doughty and miss gabbro and everyone else i

[4:39:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): know it seems like we we keep making requirements but i keep asking to keep in mind what trustee

[4:39:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): rockefeller said about due diligence etc go ahead trustee rockwell

[4:39:27] Voice 9: well i would say that we haven't

[4:39:29] Voice 9: kept making requirements we've just seen the water management plan and now we're just evaluating it

[4:39:33] Voice 9: in detail so you know i haven't actually asked for anything else other than that yeah i'm sorry

[4:39:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): i was saying perception yeah but anyway uh there's nothing else from you trustee rockefeller i agree

[4:39:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): with you i'll uh call the vote all in favor that passes thank you very much uh is there anything

[4:39:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): else planner smith you need at this stage yeah trustee rockefeller

[4:39:55] Voice 9: um i was just noting that in

[4:39:58] Voice 9: the emergency you emergency conditions in the water management plan it resorts to using more

[4:40:05] Voice 9: water or trucking in potable water i definitely don't think potable water is ever going to be

[4:40:11] Voice 9: an option for an affordable housing development and i was wondering why there's no gray water

[4:40:18] Voice 9: system being like a feasibility assessment um on that oh

[4:40:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's a question for ms doughty yeah

[4:40:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): Right.

[4:40:30] Voice 14: So the trucking of in of water is just like in a dire situation that we don't think would have, you know, we just don't think that that would happen, but it's just there as something to consider as a possibility.

[4:40:48] Voice 14: With respect to greywater systems, they are exorbitant. They add a lot of costs and impact the affordability and budgets of projects. So that's why it is not contemplated at this phase.

[4:41:02] Voice 14: I mean we can give it some consideration but in terms of the professionals that we have engaged

[4:41:10] Voice 14: so far in this process the recommendation is that we have enough water we have an excellent well

[4:41:18] Voice 14: the analysis has been done and that gray water doesn't it's not warranted for this project so

[4:41:26] Voice 14: So that's why the decision was made not to build it in right now.

[4:41:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I just say,

[4:41:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I know that various organizations talk to each other and I think that's

[4:41:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): great.

[4:41:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): I saw the main Island housing society on watching this one and I know you're

[4:41:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): in conversation. It was interesting to hear various perspectives.

[4:41:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): Cause I gave you all of the applicant actually said the gray water recovery

[4:41:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): system was actually less expensive than the rainwater.

[4:41:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): and and that's what they proposed to us so i'm not saying you're wrong and i'm not i'm just saying

[4:42:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): that that was an interesting different perspective uh in terms of their water management plan they

[4:42:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): were going to go for their irrigation to gray water rather than to rainwater collection

[4:42:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): so you might want to think about that so yes

[4:42:18] Voice 14: we're not using rainwater though to make that

[4:42:23] Voice 14: potable is that what uh oh

[4:42:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're talking about no sorry go ahead maybe also

[4:42:30] Voice 9: no it's okay because

[4:42:31] Voice 9: with the maybe

[4:42:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm just connecting with

[4:42:34] Voice 9: the irrigation it also says the in the um in the

[4:42:40] Voice 9: uh water management plan it specifically says there won't be enough um rainwater to supply for

[4:42:48] Voice 9: the irrigation purposes so i really would like to see the applicant have a gray water feasibility

[4:42:54] Voice 9: assessment because i feel like for irrigation purposes it might really fulfill that and um

[4:42:59] Voice 9: and i think i'd like to just see the consideration of that so i'm not

[4:43:04] Voice 9: requesting it i don't know how

[4:43:05] Voice 9: much it costs and i don't know if you know how much it costs and if main island's using it and

[4:43:10] Voice 9: it would possibly offer all the needs for this development then i would like to see that considered

[4:43:15] Voice 14: so um in terms of the rainwater collection for irrigation the irrigation that we're talking about

[4:43:22] Voice 14: was to have two big garden plots for people so in terms of getting a feasibility study and hiring

[4:43:32] Voice 14: an engineer so the cost of that you're suggesting evaluate that for the purposes of having a bigger

[4:43:41] Voice 14: garden like it just seems like I yeah I just want to understand sort of that that request a little

[4:43:50] Voice 14: bit better um i'm

[4:43:54] Voice 9: just going from your own water management plan that states you won't have enough

[4:43:57] Voice 9: irrigation for your plan right

[4:43:59] Voice 14: so we can always downsize the size of the of the garden plot

[4:44:04] Voice 14: you know and there were two on a drawing that were very um conceptual so we're not committing

[4:44:13] Voice 14: to doing you know having those big large vegetable gardens necessarily um to the dimensions so

[4:44:22] Voice 14: Yeah, I mean, I think that that is something that we would consider over, you know, at this point, what, you know, engineering a whole greywater system for that purpose.

[4:44:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes, Mr. Sheldon.

[4:44:42] Voice 1: Yeah, I just want to mention that designing food security in a development is really important.

[4:44:50] Voice 1: important and so I and and also we know that that the area is stressed in groundwater

[4:44:58] Voice 1: so irrigating with groundwater seems a little bit not as productive as it could be

[4:45:06] Voice 1: on I've been to a dozen rainwater harvesting and educational seminars and even ones put on by the

[4:45:17] Voice 1: the Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance,

[4:45:19] Voice 1: and there was talk about gray water.

[4:45:21] Voice 1: And the requirements for engineering vary greatly

[4:45:27] Voice 1: with using these alternative water sources.

[4:45:30] Voice 1: The least amount of engineering is when those water sources

[4:45:33] Voice 1: are used for outdoor non-potable irrigation use.

[4:45:39] Voice 1: So I would say just blanket saying that gray water

[4:45:44] Voice 1: rainwater is not feasible without doing a feasibility study is not that informed I think

[4:45:51] Voice 1: the gray water um and or even the use of stormwater um can be a um a very valuable

[4:46:01] Voice 1: water resource um that can be stored and used in the summer I do it I live on Salt Spring Island

[4:46:08] Voice 1: than I use rainwater and gray water to manage my water demand needs on my gardens. And the plants

[4:46:17] Voice 1: like that water much more than the alkaline groundwater anyway. So I mean, with all of the

[4:46:25] Voice 1: water issues we're talking about, and we spent so much time in this meeting discussing water

[4:46:29] Voice 1: and spending tens of thousands of dollars on ensuring that the groundwater well is going to

[4:46:36] Voice 1: to sustain this development for a long period of time to not go and look at alternative sources

[4:46:42] Voice 1: especially for the purposes of food security I just think that's I mean I would encourage the

[4:46:48] Voice 1: LTC to encourage the applicant to go down that road and feasibility we

[4:46:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): did we I think we just

[4:46:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): heard the trustee Rockefeller encourage them to do that and I'm going to encourage them to look at

[4:47:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): whatever they decided to do on Gabriola it wasn't we didn't I mean it was a it was their proposal

[4:47:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): although it wasn't ours our requirement but it seemed to make some sense but I didn't hear

[4:47:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustee Rockefeller in Rockefeller indicate that she wanted to pass a motion to require it

[4:47:16] Voice 9: no I would like to pass a motion that oh all right

[4:47:19] Voice 9: feasibility study to to just determine

[4:47:23] Voice 9: whether or not what's the most affordable method of using your water whether it's rainwater or

[4:47:30] Voice 9: gray water for the project and maybe they can talk to main island also because they as you said

[4:47:36] Voice 9: chair rogers have chosen the main island housing society no

[4:47:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's gabriola oh

[4:47:41] Voice 9: sorry he said yeah so

[4:47:43] Voice 9: gabriola housing society sorry

[4:47:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): call miss doty you wanted to say something yeah

[4:47:49] Voice 14: so so just to be clear

[4:47:51] Voice 14: like we want to do rainwater catchment for irrigation like we're not going to use groundwater

[4:47:56] Voice 14: water i don't know why i don't know if um mr shiva thinks that or was under the impression

[4:48:02] Voice 14: that we're using groundwater for irrigation but that's not the case i

[4:48:08] Voice 9: think more it's that your

[4:48:09] Voice 9: water management plan specifically states there is not enough your water storage capacity on your

[4:48:16] Voice 9: development for the amount of gardens you're planning for and i think also including that

[4:48:21] Voice 9: in the food security saying that people can't grow their own food because there's not enough

[4:48:26] Voice 9: of water is also not very supportive

[4:48:28] Voice 9: of an affordable housing development.

[4:48:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I just have to say, and I don't want to prolong this

[4:48:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): and you can make whatever motion you want

[4:48:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): trustee Rockefeller, but as I understood it,

[4:48:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): the planner and the Mr. Schulberg

[4:48:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the freshwater specialists,

[4:48:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're going to sit down with this water management plan

[4:48:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then work with the applicant to try and,

[4:48:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know what the right word is, improve, alter it,

[4:48:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): tweak it do whatever that it was then meant to be done and then they were going to come back

[4:48:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): with recommendations to us in terms of the water management plan is that did i misunderstand that

[4:49:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): planner smith what

[4:49:05] Voice 13: i would say to that is yes in general uh but what i would also say that

[4:49:10] Voice 13: is that if uh ltc wants to move forward with the feasibility study on gray water then that would

[4:49:16] Voice 13: take some time to uh complete and implement so i think it is reasonable for that specific item i'm

[4:49:24] Voice 13: I'm not sure William and I would land there or not.

[4:49:27] Voice 13: I think that is really direction that needs to come from LTC.

[4:49:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): So it

[4:49:30] Voice 13: seems reasonable. It comes now.

[4:49:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm wondering that I'm wondering what that entails, to be honest.

[4:49:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, people say feasibility study. I don't know what that means.

[4:49:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): So

[4:49:45] Voice 13: to me, to me, it would be an engineer with expertise in gray water recycling,

[4:49:51] Voice 13: cycling, looking at their proposal and coming up with some high-level design specifications for a

[4:49:58] Voice 13: system and some high-level costing and pros and cons and potential obstacles of that implementation.

[4:50:06] Voice 13: That, to me, would be a feasibility study for that.

[4:50:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is that what you have in mind,

[4:50:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): Trustee Rockefeller?

[4:50:13] Voice 9: I have in mind protecting the interests of the potential residents of this

[4:50:19] Voice 9: development now if giggers thinks that if they run out of water for gardening or other things

[4:50:27] Voice 9: is acceptable then i guess we'll just go with that i'm not trying to delay this i'm not trying

[4:50:32] Voice 9: to prolong it i'm trying to ensure that due diligence is done so that people can have a six

[4:50:38] Voice 9: like a successful living residence and i think this is the time to do those studies because we

[4:50:45] Voice 9: We have a ways to go on all of the housing agreement

[4:50:48] Voice 9: and other portions of the application

[4:50:50] Voice 9: and it wouldn't delay it any further.

[4:50:55] Voice 13: Can I also just add Chair Rogers that I would say

[4:51:00] Voice 13: that water management planning is an evolving expertise

[4:51:06] Voice 13: of the Islands Trust and that these water management plans

[4:51:11] Voice 13: and these shifting water requirements

[4:51:13] Voice 13: are happening really rapidly.

[4:51:14] Voice 13: And so we're learning as we go

[4:51:16] Voice 13: And this is kind of one of the first ones out the chute in terms of trying to come to terms with what water management planning looks like in a changing environment where water scarcity is increasing.

[4:51:30] Voice 13: And so in my view, and what I'm hearing from William as well, is that everything that you can do to possibly look at ways to save and store and reuse water in this changing world are probably where we as planners and elected officials should be trying to get to.

[4:51:49] Voice 13: too

[4:51:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah no i hear you i also hear the applicant concerned about cost and and and uh uh and x

[4:52:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): and expertise and trying to find a a a um uh an engineer to do this and anyway anyway but uh

[4:52:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm just trying to look at the i'm trying to find wasn't there something in here about gray

[4:52:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): water there was it was in the chart that's at the end isn't it um sorry i'm just trying to recall

[4:52:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): where it was i saw it there there it is it's that gray water this may be explored in detailed design

[4:52:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): and it has the potential for utilizing sink and shower hall bath for the toilet flushing and or

[4:52:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): irrigation potential constraints or additional operating costs and complexity and system

[4:52:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): impacting affordability so there's the that's the the report yeah trustee rockefeller i saw your hand

[4:52:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): go ahead i appreciate you you're absolutely doing due diligence and i i i just laying out what i see

[4:53:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): is as considerations so i

[4:53:06] Voice 9: just i realize that if you if this project goes forward and the applicant

[4:53:14] Voice 9: and the residents that eventually live there run out of water and can't water their what their

[4:53:20] Voice 9: produce that they're growing in their garden the literally the only people that will be held

[4:53:23] Voice 9: responsible is you chair rogers and me because we made the decision so i want to make sure that i

[4:53:30] Voice 9: walk away knowing that i supported my friends and family and community members that potentially

[4:53:34] Voice 9: could live in a place like this and made sure that while there was an opportune moment i requested

[4:53:40] Voice 9: the studies necessary for instance

[4:53:42] Voice 9: how much does a greywater study cost no

[4:53:45] Voice 25: idea well

[4:53:46] Voice 9: you said it

[4:53:47] Voice 9: was expensive so i'm just curious if you have an idea i

[4:53:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): i i just know what i said was i heard the

[4:53:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): applicant expressed concerns about the expense attached to it

[4:53:58] Voice 9: what will does the applicant aware

[4:54:00] Voice 9: of how much it costs them well

[4:54:05] Voice 14: we're looking at you know thousands of dollars for an engineer i

[4:54:09] Voice 14: mean i think that that is a there's a ballpark and i didn't realize had i known that food security

[4:54:16] Voice 14: was in the mandate of the island's trust then we would have given more attention um to you know

[4:54:24] Voice 14: we would have resized our garden plot to make sure that it matched the amount of rainwater catchment

[4:54:30] Voice 14: um so anyway i i just see like scope creep here to be frank um anyway i actually think

[4:54:41] Voice 9: food security is in trust policy statement anyway

[4:54:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): i trust

[4:54:49] Voice 17: you i i i

[4:54:52] Voice 14: think that housing

[4:54:54] Voice 14: is the crisis that we're trying to solve here and this is a housing proposal yeah

[4:55:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): so trustee rockefeller i did indicate to you i would support your motions i i was just raising

[4:55:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): considerations but if you if you think that's important to ask for that that assessment or

[4:55:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): or a feasibility study, I'll support you.

[4:55:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): So go ahead.

[4:55:18] Voice 9: Well, I think water is of the utmost importance

[4:55:20] Voice 9: because it's the foundation of all of our housing

[4:55:23] Voice 9: on all the Gulf Islands.

[4:55:24] Voice 9: So I request

[4:55:24] Voice 9: that I make a motion

[4:55:27] Voice 9: that the applicant prepare a gray water feasibility study.

[4:55:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, I'm just thinking of the language of that.

[4:55:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): Gray water recycling feasibility study,

[4:55:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): I think is probably more accurate.

[4:55:43] Voice 9: That's a good improvement, thank you.

[4:55:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, thanks.

[4:55:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'll second that.

[4:55:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): and I'll just say you might be able to shortcut this request

[4:55:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you go off to see what they did with Mr. Scott

[4:55:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): and on the Gabriela Housing Society,

[4:55:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): because that they came into that.

[4:56:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll just say that as a general statement.

[4:56:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Did you have something you wanted to say or call the vote?

[4:56:07] Voice 9: I just want to say that I really appreciate

[4:56:10] Voice 9: the work that the applicant will be doing

[4:56:12] Voice 9: in regards to this gray water feasibility study.

[4:56:14] Voice 9: and I'm more than happy to help with local fundraising

[4:56:17] Voice 9: to pay for it.

[4:56:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so I'm going to call the vote.

[4:56:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): All in favor?

[4:56:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): Passes two votes.

[4:56:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you very much.

[4:56:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you have other issues yet?

[4:56:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): You had a list.

[4:56:28] Voice 9: No, I was just one other thing I was wondering

[4:56:30] Voice 9: in the water management plan,

[4:56:32] Voice 9: if we could request the staff include more committed

[4:56:37] Voice 9: language to the recommendations.

[4:56:41] Voice 9: I had a little note here.

[4:56:43] Voice 9: just instead of like the encourages if we could have wills or shoulds okay

[4:56:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): so this is the

[4:56:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): applicant's um water management plan but you're just suggesting that staff and working with the

[4:57:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): applicant make that more definitive is that what you're

[4:57:03] Voice 9: yeah yeah that's what i was suggesting

[4:57:05] Voice 9: okay

[4:57:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): i don't think you need a motion or maybe planner i see william shilba yeah go ahead

[4:57:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah

[4:57:12] Voice 1: i i know um we went through this a little bit with the um with a few of the other professional

[4:57:18] Voice 1: reports it's uh for the limited nature of of data information often consultants need to use that

[4:57:28] Voice 1: type of um blanket language because um as a licensed professional if they say must then they

[4:57:35] Voice 1: have to monitor to make sure that does happen, like say for remediation of a well that could

[4:57:44] Voice 1: have a public hazard. So that's why there's a lot of shalls and musts. The one thing that we can do

[4:57:51] Voice 1: with that language as Islands Trust staff is then recommend to the LTC to take those recommendations

[4:57:58] Voice 1: of the shalls and musts and make them into the dues and wills in a covenant, or in some cases,

[4:58:05] Voice 1: right written to the zoning largely the water management plan is a useful guide for the

[4:58:12] Voice 1: applicant so it is the recommendations from the engineer to the applicants but there's no

[4:58:21] Voice 1: regulatory requirements for the applicant to undertake the recommendations in the water

[4:58:28] Voice 1: management plan if it's not located say in a groundwater license or in a section 219

[4:58:34] Voice 1: thank

[4:58:37] Voice 9: you okay

[4:58:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): so you're not suggesting any specific direction to staff about that okay

[4:58:43] Voice 17: thanks

[4:58:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): um anything else on your list no um so um i just want to address one thing before we

[4:58:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): we move on um is the request at the end that would have come from ms gabbro if it wasn't

[4:59:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): from Ms. Nody about timing for this thing,

[4:59:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): for this thing, sorry, for this application.

[4:59:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): So I'm going to just say,

[4:59:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): we're not going to go to second reading

[4:59:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): until we're ready to basically set a community

[4:59:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): information meeting public hearing.

[4:59:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't believe.

[4:59:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that's going to, and I'm going to suggest

[4:59:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): we aren't going to have a CIM until the covenant

[4:59:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh covenant and the and the housing agreement are sort of ready to present to the public

[4:59:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): and not shake your head if i you think i'm wrong planner smith um so um while i think we're

[4:59:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): inching our way closer and it may feel like inching um to a lot to miss doty and her her

[4:59:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): her cohorts. We are continuing to move forward and I'm going to guess when we can get when

[5:00:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): we when we break whatever the impasses or whatever the blockade is on the housing agreement and i

[5:00:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): have no idea what it is and i don't want to get into that discussion um and we get a draft of the

[5:00:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): housing agreement or the housing agreement and the and the uh then we'll be able to say let's

[5:00:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): set a date for uh considering second reading and setting a cim uh and a public hearing is that does

[5:00:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): Does that sound fair to you, Planner Smith?

[5:00:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): Go ahead.

[5:00:29] Voice 13: I would just add that there's no impasse with the housing agreement,

[5:00:33] Voice 13: and it's not standing still.

[5:00:34] Voice 13: It continues to be with the lawyers, and lawyers take time.

[5:00:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[5:00:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's what I said.

[5:00:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): I said impasse, and then I changed that.

[5:00:42] Voice 13: Just to

[5:00:42] Voice 13: clarify, there really is no stalling of the housing agreement.

[5:00:46] Voice 13: It's just being worked on and progressing as we work.

[5:00:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have the water management plan.

[5:00:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have the covenant.

[5:00:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have the housing agreement.

[5:00:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): And those are the pieces that seem to yet be developed.

[5:00:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): As soon as we see those, unless something happens, we decide differently that we're going to move forward.

[5:01:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): So hopefully we'll see something soon.

[5:01:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[5:01:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[5:01:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): I hope that I know that's fairly non-definitive, but I'm optimistic.

[5:01:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, okay.

[5:01:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there anything else on this, Trustee Rockefeller?

[5:01:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): can we get trustee wolverton back can you bring her back um and thank you very much for all your

[5:01:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): help today uh william schilbell we had a lot of water talk today uh thank you miss dodie uh we're

[5:01:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): gonna move on to try and finish some of the work uh it's 5 30 it's time to um try and finish off

[5:01:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): as much of this as we possibly can so thank you colleen uh maple you're okay to stick with us

[5:01:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): yes

[5:01:56] Voice 12: i'm good no problem all

[5:02:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): right okay um you're both back from your exile

[5:02:12] Voice 11: i'm having a little bit of connectivity problem so if i disappear all

[5:02:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): right we're at page 364 of

[5:02:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): the agenda uh which is the follow-up from the public hearing and the community information

[5:02:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): information today.

[5:02:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): There are three suggested motions.

[5:02:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): Does anybody wish to say anything

[5:02:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): or ask any questions of the planner?

[5:02:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm not sure there's much for you to say,

[5:02:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): further to say Planner Smith,

[5:02:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): or if anybody has any questions.

[5:02:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): Not, if I can have some motions.

[5:02:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, go ahead.

[5:02:51] Voice 9: I'll go ahead and make the motion to.

[5:02:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's on page three.

[5:02:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): I got it.

[5:02:58] Voice 9: That the Galliano

[5:02:59] Voice 9: Island Local Trust Committee

[5:03:00] Voice 9: proposed bylaw number 278,

[5:03:02] Voice 9: cited as Galliano Island Land Use Bylaw 127-1999,

[5:03:05] Voice 9: amendment number one, 2021, be read a second time.

[5:03:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is that second?

[5:03:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there a seconder for that motion?

[5:03:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, any discussion about this?

[5:03:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Nope, we've had a lot of talk.

[5:03:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thanks very much, call the vote.

[5:03:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): All in favor, that passes unanimously.

[5:03:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Go ahead, second motion.

[5:03:23] Voice 9: That the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[5:03:25] Voice 9: proposed bylaw number 278,

[5:03:27] Voice 9: cited as Galliano Island Land Use By-law 127, 1999,

[5:03:31] Voice 9: Amendment Number 1, 2021, be read a third time.

[5:03:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): Is there a seconder for that motion?

[5:03:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes, thanks, all in favor?

[5:03:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): That passes unanimously.

[5:03:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's a third motion there.

[5:03:43] Voice 9: I'll say the Galliano Local Island Trust Committee

[5:03:46] Voice 9: proposed By-law Number 278 be forwarded

[5:03:49] Voice 9: to the Secretary of the Islands Trust

[5:03:50] Voice 9: for Executive Committee approval.

[5:03:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): And there's a seconder for that?

[5:03:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes, and I'll call the vote, all in favor?

[5:03:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you very much for all the work on that planner smith um

[5:04:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): we got there

[5:04:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): oh

[5:04:03] Voice 13: i just screwed up what jane uh jane pointed out one other uh additional uh

[5:04:12] Voice 13: amendment that i was supposed to capture as you went to third reading it's i

[5:04:17] Voice 11: think it's just

[5:04:18] Voice 11: minor it's just a removing one period is that is that a

[5:04:26] Voice 13: technically it should

[5:04:27] Voice 13: technically it should be addressed as uh as an amendment so i would like

[5:04:34] Voice 13: to propose an amendment if you could rescind third reading quickly and propose a technical

[5:04:39] Voice 13: amendment there was just one uh article where numbering was uh misaligned still that jane

[5:04:47] Voice 13: caught yesterday i'm sorry chair rogers

[5:04:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): where maybe you could just show me what it is section

[5:04:55] Voice 13: Section 2.1.9 under general regs, it should be 2.19.

[5:05:03] Voice 13: It's under citing exceptions on page five of the bylaw.

[5:05:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sorry, page five of my bylaw is the, oh, 2.19 reads correctly on my draft.

[5:05:26] Voice 13: You see it goes from 2.18 to 2.19 as opposed to, it should be 2.19.

[5:05:36] Voice 11: there's an extra period in there not

[5:05:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): on my draft wow you're talking about what's on page 369 of the

[5:05:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): no

[5:05:47] Voice 13: i'm talking about the bylaw itself well

[5:05:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's what i'm reading from uh

[5:05:52] Voice 13: no that you're

[5:05:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's the

[5:05:54] Voice 13: amending bylaw i'm proposing an additional clause be added to the amending

[5:05:59] Voice 13: bylaw to capture this one other uh error so i would propose that ltc i

[5:06:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): need you to stop brad

[5:06:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): yeah if

[5:06:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm looking at the bylaw to amend is on page 367 of the package yeah go to the bylaw

[5:06:18] Voice 11: itself go to the land use bylaw and look at page five oh

[5:06:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): you mean you mean the one that's not on

[5:06:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): the website yes

[5:06:28] Voice 13: actual bylaw this bylaw amendment doesn't capture one mistake in the actual by you

[5:06:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): You don't want to correct the bylaw we're passing.

[5:06:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): You want to add an additional amendment.

[5:06:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): Correct.

[5:06:43] Voice 13: And Robert or RPGM Kojima suggested that now is the time post-public hearing.

[5:06:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[5:06:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sorry.

[5:06:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sorry for my being cranky.

[5:06:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): I just misunderstood.

[5:06:58] Voice 13: No, we're all getting hungry.

[5:07:00] Voice 13: It's understood.

[5:07:01] Voice 13: I'm

[5:07:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): actually not hungry.

[5:07:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay.

[5:07:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay. 2.19. Yes, it says 2.1.9.

[5:07:15] Voice 11: Yeah, that's the change.

[5:07:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay. Anyway, so we need to rescind third reading.

[5:07:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): Pass

[5:07:27] Voice 13: second reading as amended and then pass a resolution amending this section.

[5:07:33] Voice 13: section or pass a resolution amending this section then give it second reading as amended

[5:07:38] Voice 13: and third reading as amended i guess i don't know the no

[5:07:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): we can we can do this after second reading

[5:07:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): we don't have to rescind third reading um sorry i just need to go back to my package

[5:07:57] Voice 13: it's just good to catch all

[5:08:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): right uh so i think we have to rescind the two the the and they i

[5:08:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't know, have they been given numbers yet, Carly?

[5:08:12] Voice 8: No, not yet, but I can make a note.

[5:08:17] Voice 8: Okay,

[5:08:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm going to move that we rescind

[5:08:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): whatever the number is for motion number two

[5:08:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): and rescind the motion for whatever the notion number is

[5:08:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): for motion number three.

[5:08:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we're going to rescind third reading of,

[5:08:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): so we have to rescind the motion,

[5:08:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): whatever the motion number becomes, okay?

[5:08:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, because they're all the motions are numbered.

[5:08:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so I'm going to move that we rescind those two motions,

[5:08:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): that motion number that relates to third reading.

[5:08:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): Have I got, sorry, I got to go back to my camera here.

[5:08:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): Have I got a seconder for that?

[5:08:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, and then I'll call a vote that passes.

[5:09:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): And then I'm going to move that we rescind the motion

[5:09:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): related to sending it to executive committee for approval.

[5:09:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): approval okay that's seconded all in favor that passes unanimously and then you want to amend

[5:09:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): put amend the bylaw further and do you have a motion for that sure

[5:09:21] Voice 13: amend draft or amend proposed

[5:09:24] Voice 13: bylaw number 278 yeah

[5:09:29] Voice 25: to

[5:09:30] Voice 13: remove the extra period from section 2.19 no

[5:09:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): but you have to reference

[5:09:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): back to of

[5:09:42] Voice 13: the of the galliano island land use bylaw okay

[5:09:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): so so the motion is to add to bylaw

[5:09:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): number 278 a clause to amend galliano island land use bylaw 127 1999 by removing the extra period

[5:10:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the numbering for 2.1.9 right that's the motion okay i'll make that motion did you get

[5:10:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): that carly yeah thanks

[5:10:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay is that seconded okay and all in favor that passes and now we can go

[5:10:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): back and go back to the top and give it third reading again uh so you've got you have to do

[5:10:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): do the Galeano, so if you want to do that,

[5:10:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): but just put in as amended to here or Jane, I don't care.

[5:10:56] Voice 11: So we're reading the second line?

[5:10:58] Voice 11: Yeah.

[5:11:00] Voice 11: Or the second one?

[5:11:02] Voice 17: Yeah.

[5:11:03] Voice 11: Okay, that the Galeano Island Local Trust Committee

[5:11:07] Voice 11: proposed bylaw number 278 cited as Galeano Island

[5:11:11] Voice 11: land use bylaw 127, 1999 amendment number one,

[5:11:16] Voice 11: 2021 as amended

[5:11:19] Voice 11: yeah

[5:11:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): be read for the third time okay seconded all in favor that passes and then

[5:11:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): again the same one uh bylaw 278

[5:11:30] Voice 11: i think you're frozen i

[5:11:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): hope not okay

[5:11:37] Voice 11: you're freezing on mine

[5:11:39] Voice 11: but okay then the

[5:11:40] Voice 11: galliano island local trust committee proposed bylaw uh number 278 be

[5:11:46] Voice 11: be forwarded as amended,

[5:11:47] Voice 11: be forwarded to the secretary of the Islands Trust

[5:11:50] Voice 11: for executive committee approval.

[5:11:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, seconded, that's all in favor,

[5:11:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): that passes unanimously.

[5:11:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, that takes care of that.

[5:12:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah, we're onto the work committee,

[5:12:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): work projects, work program reports.

[5:12:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have a, and you and Trustee Wolverton,

[5:12:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): you wanted to add something related to the projects list

[5:12:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): lists of combining some items?

[5:12:20] Voice 11: Yes, so I would like to combine number seven and 10.

[5:12:29] Voice 11: I just don't have them right here.

[5:12:32] Voice 11: Sorry, what page is that?

[5:12:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): Number seven is review of maximum house size.

[5:12:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): Number 10 is review of

[5:12:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): tiny home trailer regulation.

[5:12:40] Voice 11: Yes, so I'd like to review or to combine those

[5:12:44] Voice 11: and also add to that sort of as a big combined project that we might get to i don't know uh

[5:12:51] Voice 11: including lot coverage so lot coverage house size and tiny homes sort of as a a big

[5:12:59] Voice 11: item

[5:13:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay do you have a motion you want to make um

[5:13:06] Voice 11: i would move that um hold on here

[5:13:11] Voice 11: uh project number seven and project number 10 or sorry let me let me rephrase that project number

[5:13:20] Voice 11: 10 be added into project seven and that it be expanded to include lot coverage okay i think

[5:13:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's workable um that motion and carly did you get that motion got it yeah

[5:13:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay um so that

[5:13:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): that actually should start that the project list

[5:13:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): be amended by, and then we'll get to that.

[5:13:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, but we've got that motion.

[5:13:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): Do you have any comment trustee Rockefeller?

[5:13:52] Voice 9: Yeah, I just, I think I'm just kind of confused

[5:13:55] Voice 9: on the three, if you could say the numbers again,

[5:13:57] Voice 9: trustee Bullerton.

[5:13:58] Voice 11: Yeah, so

[5:13:59] Voice 11: number seven is review of maximum house sizes.

[5:14:02] Voice 11: Number 10 is review of LUB tiny home

[5:14:06] Voice 11: and trailer regulations and lot size.

[5:14:09] Voice 11: i wanted to kind of roll that into a bundle so

[5:14:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): she's basically combining seven and

[5:14:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): ten and then

[5:14:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): adding the lot size

[5:14:19] Voice 11: and and it came up yeah that seems to make sense yeah

[5:14:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): and i think that sort of

[5:14:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): mirrors a bit what's going on on pender and north and south and and they're doing all of that kind

[5:14:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): of work right now and in fact there may be even be some work being done by the regional planning

[5:14:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): team around that i'm not sure but that all makes sense so

[5:14:37] Voice 12: that's

[5:14:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): seconded and i support that if

[5:14:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's anything further anybody wishes to say no all in favor oh sorry go ahead i just wanted

[5:14:47] Voice 11: to comment that i could cover 25 of my lot and that would be over 80 000 square feet and right

[5:14:56] Voice 11: now i think i cover two percent of a lot i mean so it's it's it's we need to be looking at those

[5:15:04] Voice 11: kinds of things i

[5:15:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): totally agree lot coverage is a really it's a really awkward tool for bigger lots

[5:15:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): but in particular yeah even

[5:15:14] Voice 11: small lots but

[5:15:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): even for small lots i just i just had to approve a

[5:15:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): a anyway never mind let's move on before i get into a long discussion about that i i don't think

[5:15:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): there's anything about our top priority uh the um uh when it comes back from the executive committee

[5:15:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): which will probably be at our next LTC

[5:15:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): because it doesn't have to go for,

[5:15:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): and if we adopt the land use bylaw amendment,

[5:15:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): that will come off the top priorities

[5:15:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): because it'll be done.

[5:15:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): So we'll be left with the,

[5:15:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): whatever you want to do with the affordable housing strategy

[5:15:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): going forward and the groundwater sustainability,

[5:15:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is a sort of a separate project being mirrored

[5:16:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): by by sorry managed by narissa and and william of course um so uh you might want to think about

[5:16:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): if there's something else that you want to try to get done this term that doable keeping in mind

[5:16:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): that planner smith has one two three very large applications where we're moving through yeah

[5:16:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): anyway give that some thought we can perhaps talk about the last time uh we have the applications

[5:16:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): applications report on page 377. Does anybody have anything they wish to ask about that?

[5:16:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): No, no, we talked about the one that would usually be the source of conversation. There is no trustee

[5:16:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): local expense, there's the adoptive policies and resolutions or anything about that that anybody

[5:16:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): wishes to raise. Local trust committee webpage, you have a good look at our new webpage, because

[5:16:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): one of the things that came up was that there's not a there's not an obvious trustee corner in

[5:17:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): the sense of somewhere to post reports anymore and you might want to think about whether you'd

[5:17:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): like to have something like that I don't know how you two have been used by the web page but

[5:17:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): perhaps you don't so it's not an issue for you but if

[5:17:16] Voice 11: it is the but the website is very difficult

[5:17:21] Voice 11: I found yeah

[5:17:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm trying to take the position being an old Luddite that it's just something

[5:17:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): i need to learn as opposed to it being difficult uh i agree with you i don't find it intuitive

[5:17:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): but i'm also very used to the old one so i'm

[5:17:38] Voice 11: not i'm not a luddite but i don't find it very

[5:17:41] Voice 11: smooth not yet right how

[5:17:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): about someone who's who's young and web savvy you find it hard or easy

[5:17:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): i

[5:17:53] Voice 9: haven't looked at it yet oh

[5:17:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): well

[5:17:55] Voice 9: i download all the galliano documents onto my computer so

[5:17:58] Voice 9: So I just read them from here.

[5:17:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): You should look at the website.

[5:18:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's got very nice pictures.

[5:18:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that's not necessarily the only thing it has.

[5:18:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): There's no conservancy report.

[5:18:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): Business memos.

[5:18:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have a memo from business licensing.

[5:18:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): We have a memo from Robert Kojima,

[5:18:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): and which comes out of the you two one of you two or both of you have been one of you's been

[5:18:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): involved in that conversation it's you is it so do you want to do something about that um late in

[5:18:39] Voice 11: the day maybe not uh today but um so so the issue is like whether we ask the province to give us the

[5:18:47] Voice 11: power to issue business licenses as a way

[5:18:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'll actually give it to the crd or

[5:18:52] Voice 11: the crd right that

[5:18:53] Voice 11: that was right um uh i mean i think it's a good idea uh but i would really want to have a little

[5:19:03] Voice 11: more conversation about it i

[5:19:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): should tell you that that's actually i'm having another meeting

[5:19:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): tomorrow of the short-term advisory panel for the province okay and that's come up a number of times

[5:19:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): because the only regional district that has the authority to grant business license for short-term

[5:19:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): vacation rentals is in is one of the ones in the interior i'm not sure which one it was so i don't

[5:19:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): I don't want to say, cause I'll get it wrong,

[5:19:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): but none of the other regional districts do.

[5:19:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): And it's a concern.

[5:19:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): And so if there's a recommendation in that report,

[5:19:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): it might inform your discussion,

[5:19:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): but you wanted to do something with this,

[5:19:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): we can, or do you want to defer it till July?

[5:19:44] Voice 11: I think defer it till July.

[5:19:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): You okay with that to hear?

[5:19:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, anybody have any problems

[5:19:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): with the annual report language?

[5:19:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): No.

[5:19:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): Then can someone read the language

[5:19:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's in the agenda documents?

[5:20:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): Anybody got the agenda?

[5:20:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): I've got it if you guys don't have it.

[5:20:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): It's on, I can read it.

[5:20:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'll move that the Galliano Local Trust Committee

[5:20:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): approve the format and outline of contents

[5:20:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): of the 2020-2021 annual report.

[5:20:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, seconded, all in favor?

[5:20:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): That passes.

[5:20:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): 16.3 is amending the tree cutting and removal DPA-3.

[5:20:23] Voice 11: Okay. One second here. Yeah.

[5:20:32] Voice 11: Okay. There are some Oh, here's right in front of me. And there are, okay. What I would like to do is amend it to add in under exceptions 3.4.

[5:20:49] Voice 11: for it talks about a development permit is not and there's a missing word there should be is not

[5:20:55] Voice 11: required so that's like that's just a minor amendment but I would like to add a fourth

[5:21:01] Voice 11: point there and this is this is regarding the exceptions so the exception would be a fire smart

[5:21:09] Voice 11: tree removal, fire smart in a coastal Douglas fir biogeoclimatic zone context. So removing trees for

[5:21:23] Voice 11: fire smart and removing danger trees, both of which are not addressed in this. And then there

[5:21:29] Voice 11: are a couple of other minor problems where it says permits to cut more than 12 cubic meters,

[5:21:38] Voice 11: it should be 12 cubic meters or more because it,

[5:21:42] Voice 11: so I can send these to these comments to planner Smith.

[5:21:50] Voice 11: And you

[5:21:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): know you're talking about an OCP amendment.

[5:21:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): I

[5:21:55] Voice 11: do, I do, I mean, it's very minor.

[5:21:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): It doesn't matter, it's an OCP amendment.

[5:22:01] Voice 11: Yeah, I know and it's got to have all those little things.

[5:22:03] Voice 11: It is really minor.

[5:22:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry i don't mean to laugh but i don't think because they're really minor we can just do them

[5:22:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): i mean we have to no

[5:22:13] Voice 11: no no i know i understand that all the steps have to be taken but i think

[5:22:17] Voice 11: it's a really uh easy one well

[5:22:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): except that if you're going to do uh a tree cutting ocp amendment

[5:22:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): i don't know do you not want to look at it completely and see whether it serves its

[5:22:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): purpose or do you believe it serves its purpose already well

[5:22:36] Voice 11: that's another question uh is it

[5:22:40] Voice 11: is it being enforced is it understood i mean those are all things that um are not really you know

[5:22:48] Voice 11: actually a minor amendment would would publicize this issue

[5:22:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay so planner smith

[5:22:54] Voice 13: i'd just like to

[5:22:55] Voice 13: say there are a few wording uh uh issues with this section but i would also say is that your key

[5:23:02] Voice 13: your two key uh uh points around uh being able to cut a danger tree or being able to cut a tree

[5:23:10] Voice 13: with fire risk right now the dpa guidelines are really loose so that if you're not cutting a

[5:23:19] Voice 13: gary oak and you're not cutting more than 12 cubic meters of trees per year per hectare

[5:23:23] Voice 13: you can cut any trees you want as long as you are minimizing impact so my my view would be that if

[5:23:31] Voice 13: if you're going to open this up, you would create a DPA guideline that is more effectively applied

[5:23:41] Voice 13: because right now

[5:23:42] Voice 13: it's really difficult to apply. And we honestly very seldom even turn our planning

[5:23:47] Voice 13: lens to it because in so few circumstances applies. And finally, I would also add that

[5:23:56] Voice 13: I do know that there has been legal opinion

[5:24:00] Voice 13: and to what extent can the trust actually create

[5:24:06] Voice 13: I know that we can't create

[5:24:08] Voice 13: broad tree protection guidelines. They have to be very

[5:24:12] Voice 13: site specific. So there are limitations to what we can do

[5:24:16] Voice 13: with tree removal. Just a few points. Thanks.

[5:24:20] Voice 11: Okay, so we'll take that under advisement and

[5:24:23] Voice 11: and maybe take a look at amending this in a broader way.

[5:24:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): Well, I was going to say this,

[5:24:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): maybe talk to Brad and bring a motion to us

[5:24:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): that if you want to have a look at the DPA three

[5:24:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): and three cutting, if there's a concern,

[5:24:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): maybe bring a scope and we can put a project charter

[5:24:47] Trustee Rogers (probable): and maybe I don't know what our project's going to be

[5:24:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): for the rest of the term, but well, okay.

[5:24:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you, though, for bringing that. And thank you for thinking about stuff like that, because it's important.

[5:25:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sorry,

[5:25:03] Voice 11: maybe it could go in under the Coastal Douglas fir, kind of.

[5:25:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): Perhaps. I mean, that would make some sense, too.

[5:25:10] Voice 11: Yeah.

[5:25:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): And there is a project on Coastal Douglas fir going on on Salt Spring right now we can piggyback on, perhaps.

[5:25:17] Voice 11: Yeah.

[5:25:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): Standing APC.

[5:25:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah,

[5:25:23] Voice 11: so this was something that I brought up before, and I did a little checking into it with Planner Kojima.

[5:25:33] Voice 11: And so the issue is that there are some applications that really need to have a good climate focus.

[5:25:45] Voice 11: and there are within the community we do have some science here some scientists who might be

[5:25:56] Voice 11: able to help provide some information so the APC is is I view the APC is a broader group of people

[5:26:05] Voice 11: representing the island but that with a climate crisis that we have I think you know we might

[5:26:14] Voice 11: might want to look at a special APC, which can be a standing APC that would look at very

[5:26:20] Voice 11: specific aspects of proposals in applying a climate lens, a really strong climate lens.

[5:26:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay. So, because we did send the, I forget what we sent to the APC, it was back when

[5:26:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): and my brain's gone, Sheila Anderson,

[5:26:50] Voice 17: and

[5:26:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): they did a report for us on a series of recommended steps on climate

[5:26:55] Voice 17: change.

[5:26:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that report's sitting there, and we really haven't, to be frank,

[5:27:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): we haven't done much with it other than use it as a resource.

[5:27:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): ours um so you're suggesting a specialist apc tasked to do what to

[5:27:16] Voice 11: review uh applications

[5:27:19] Voice 11: from a sign you know a climate science a climate crisis point of view so

[5:27:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): you're imagining a

[5:27:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): a scenario where where we would have this other apc uh that's made up of climate experts for lack

[5:27:36] Trustee Rogers (probable): of a better word um that we could send if we get an application and say we're concerned about

[5:27:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): about its impact on the climate yeah what do you think could you give us your opinion on that

[5:27:49] Voice 11: yes okay

[5:27:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): so that would correct me if i'm wrong brad but that would involve us establishing the

[5:27:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): terms of reference for an for a specialty apc i'm not even sure yeah i think you'd have to do that

[5:28:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): and then you'd have to advertise and then you'd have to appoint them and then have them sitting

[5:28:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): that so that's what it is

[5:28:14] Voice 11: yeah and

[5:28:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): who drafts the terms of reference um or the i guess i yeah

[5:28:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): um i'm just thinking how that gets done now thinking how that gets done rather than that

[5:28:31] Trustee Rogers (probable): whether it's a good idea i'm thinking how it gets done um have you got your hand up here

[5:28:38] Voice 9: oh

[5:28:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): i never know that's

[5:28:40] Voice 9: okay i

[5:28:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): didn't know if you were mimicking one of your chicken

[5:28:44] Voice 9: no i was just uh so one of the concerns i have about going to the extent of drafting this special

[5:28:50] Voice 9: apc is the recommendations we're going to hear from them are going to be either not to do certain

[5:28:56] Voice 9: things or to implement um potentially expensive solutions because that's what uh will mitigate

[5:29:05] Voice 9: climate change and then it's up to the ltc to then endorse those solutions and from my experience

[5:29:11] Voice 9: we don't really do a lot of that because it's expensive so I don't know if it's worth and we'd

[5:29:17] Voice 9: have to find these specialists that would want to participate and they also might have issue like

[5:29:23] Voice 9: issues with having to recuse themselves from these applications as well and it might be a finite

[5:29:27] Voice 9: amount of people that could apply so we also do have that report with the climate change suggestions

[5:29:32] Voice 9: from our previous APC that we actually haven't utilized at all in regards to any application

[5:29:38] Voice 9: So those would be my initial concerns.

[5:29:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): So as I said, I hear those,

[5:29:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): but the concerns and I was thinking of some of those myself,

[5:29:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm not so sure about the expense.

[5:30:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): because it seems to me that some stuff just has to be done i i just i'm just trying to think of

[5:30:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): an example where i would refer a a a um uh an application to a a panel of experts of that

[5:30:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): nature and i i mean i mean people have raised issues about climate change let's just use and

[5:30:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm not picking on crystal mountain but about climate change crystal mountain or something

[5:30:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): like that or a development. But then what? Yes, the forest. Yes, the ecosystems. Yes,

[5:30:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): water. Yes, this. Yes, that. I mean, I just wonder if I just I'm not quite sure what role

[5:30:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): they end up. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they do play an important role in saying you need to

[5:30:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): do this. You need to make sure this is done. And there are probably some climate scientists sitting

[5:30:59] Trustee Rogers (probable): out there they're they're shaking their head at me saying of course we had recommendations yeah

[5:31:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): to hear um

[5:31:07] Voice 9: i'm also a bit concerned then people with um certain backgrounds of science or whatnot

[5:31:13] Voice 9: will say we refer to a scientist group but then what credentials actually make someone a scientist

[5:31:21] Voice 9: and that could be contentious within the community as well because we're referring the reports to

[5:31:26] Voice 9: them as specialists when in fact we don't we're not evaluating that ourselves yeah

[5:31:33] Voice 16: all right well

[5:31:35] Voice 11: let me let me think about it some more and um go back to the report and because i do think that um

[5:31:44] Voice 11: one of the ways that a that a a science a climate or a climate crisis apc or special apc could help

[5:31:54] Voice 11: is is looking at um not just at the individual application but looking at the impact uh like

[5:32:01] Voice 11: along the island of various various things that are happening and they might be able to

[5:32:07] Voice 11: you know keep us alerted or you know when you're when you're looking at forest and

[5:32:13] Voice 11: connectivity and and recruitment for us all those kinds of things that um it might be helpful but

[5:32:21] Voice 11: So my

[5:32:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): question is, is why can't they do that without us setting up an APC?

[5:32:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): Why couldn't that happen?

[5:32:29] Trustee Rogers (probable): I mean, we got, I know there's groups out on the island doing great things.

[5:32:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): And I think one of them, and I'm sorry, I've forgotten all the different names of the various groups that are doing studies in the group, etc.

[5:32:42] Trustee Rogers (probable): etc. And I just wonder whether

[5:32:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): we do they, are you sure what you need is a structure like an APC

[5:32:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): that sort of is, as opposed to just a group of advisors that come to us and say, here, we want

[5:32:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): you to think about the impact of

[5:32:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): X on Y, or sea level rise on and how you decide about

[5:33:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): shoreline protections. I mean, I'm making these up because we already do think about those things.

[5:33:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): but um yeah

[5:33:10] Voice 11: okay

[5:33:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay

[5:33:13] Voice 11: i will i will um think more on it

[5:33:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay so the last thing we have on our agenda

[5:33:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): before we do um uh the last town hall is uh you both mentioned james island i'm somewhat familiar

[5:33:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): with what's going on over there um uh it's um i know it's the north pender ltc and i'm aware that

[5:33:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): that the North Pender LTC has written to the province

[5:33:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): and indicated that despite the fact that subdivision

[5:33:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): zoned appropriately many, many, many years ago,

[5:33:53] Trustee Rogers (probable): they don't think the development proposal

[5:33:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): is subdivisions appropriate.

[5:33:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, so you brought it here, not in our LTC.

[5:34:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): What is it you're thinking?

[5:34:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): What would you like to propose?

[5:34:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): either or both of you

[5:34:10] Voice 11: i'm wondering if it's um appropriate for us also to advocate and to

[5:34:18] Voice 11: even though it's not in our in our little territory um but just because we are all part

[5:34:26] Voice 11: of this reconciliation we're all part of we're part of the southern gulf islands it's a larger

[5:34:32] Voice 11: your group and i think if we individual ltcs step forward and the southern gulf island forum

[5:34:41] Voice 11: will likely step forward i think the more voices the better

[5:34:45] Voice 25: trustee rock color yeah

[5:34:51] Voice 9: i agree with

[5:34:52] Voice 9: that we i did um at the southern gulf island forum i listened to trustee morrison from pender island

[5:34:58] Voice 9: uh speak up that she believed it would be useful to have other ltcs support their motion

[5:35:04] Voice 9: to support the say what nation in their concerns so

[5:35:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): have either of you drafted language that we

[5:35:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): might consider not

[5:35:18] Voice 11: yet no

[5:35:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): because i'm not

[5:35:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm not um i i mean i think we can basically advocate on

[5:35:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): what we want to advocate on and i agree with you but but this being a i mean it's an interesting

[5:35:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): interesting it's it's not interesting it's a it's i mean i use that phrase very very loosely

[5:35:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): but it's a it's a both interesting and disturbing development and it's sort of another step in our

[5:35:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): reconciliation statement and then i acknowledge the the step that the north pender ltc took

[5:35:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): because they took that step um you know they went out to a place that that that uh was not

[5:36:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): not consistent with pre decisions of previous local trust committees and so good for that

[5:36:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): um and um and i'm quite prepared to you know think about what a motion might look like

[5:36:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): um i don't have their letter in front of me i

[5:36:20] Voice 9: have it in front of me deb's deb marson's uh

[5:36:24] Voice 9: letter yeah

[5:36:26] Voice 11: so her letter is quite long and you know references the north pender

[5:36:31] Voice 11: and it being in their their area oh

[5:36:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): i haven't seen a letter from trustee morrison um

[5:36:38] Voice 11: i i have it as

[5:36:40] Voice 11: well oh

[5:36:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): um i

[5:36:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): don't

[5:36:44] Voice 11: okay i've

[5:36:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): seen i've seen the letter from the local trust committee to the

[5:36:49] Trustee Rogers (probable): province um that's but

[5:36:52] Trustee Rogers (probable): that's not from trustee morrison that's from she

[5:36:56] Voice 9: sent it to me yeah oh

[5:36:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): Oh, but that's the, that's signed by, by chair Patrick.

[5:37:02] Voice 11: Yes.

[5:37:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[5:37:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): And that's the one where they basically say,

[5:37:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): we don't consider this to be in the best,

[5:37:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): in the best interest of the

[5:37:09] Trustee Rogers (probable): province to do.

[5:37:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yeah.

[5:37:12] Trustee Rogers (probable): So you could pass a motion as simple as that,

[5:37:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): the, that the Galeana local trust committee supports the North Pender

[5:37:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): correspondence related to the James Island subdivision proposal.

[5:37:24] Trustee Rogers (probable): But then what do you do with that?

[5:37:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): What do you want to do with that?

[5:37:27] Trustee Rogers (probable): write

[5:37:28] Voice 11: a letter to

[5:37:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): who the

[5:37:31] Voice 11: province okay

[5:37:34] Trustee Rogers (probable): um so can i suggest then that you if both of you are

[5:37:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): agreed and we're sort of talking like you're in agreement uh that we pass that a motion like the

[5:37:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): one i just said or words that affect and then somebody's going to have to do an initial draft

[5:37:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): draft sure and

[5:37:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): then we can circulate the draft and and uh like whose signature do you want to

[5:38:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): go out under do you want it to be a letter from the ltc as opposed to from the and because if

[5:38:06] Trustee Rogers (probable): it's from the ltc it would normally go out under my signature which is fine um so but i would want

[5:38:13] Trustee Rogers (probable): to know i would like to see the language and i don't want this is a very political letter this

[5:38:19] Trustee Rogers (probable): This is not something we ask staff other than perhaps the senior and

[5:38:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): governmental policy advisor to have a look at.

[5:38:25] Voice 11: Yeah, no, I, I would agree. I, I, so I would, uh,

[5:38:29] Voice 11: the motion that you suggested, I would second it.

[5:38:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay. So I don't know what Carly got or didn't get out of what I said.

[5:38:38] Voice 8: Yeah, I got it at the Galeano Island LTC supports the North Pender Island

[5:38:42] Voice 8: correspondence related to the James Island subdivision proposal.

[5:38:44] Voice 8: proposal and

[5:38:45] Trustee Rogers (probable): a letter to that effect will be sent out under the chair's signature to

[5:38:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): the appropriate provincial authority yeah

[5:39:01] Voice 18: okay

[5:39:02] Trustee Rogers (probable): and uh okay that's been moved is that seconded

[5:39:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): um

[5:39:06] Voice 9: i have a question so that'll be trustee wolverton drafting it and then it will be sent

[5:39:12] Voice 9: passed the intergovernmental policy advisor uh

[5:39:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): it would be trustee wolverton passing it i'm happy

[5:39:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you see it too when it's just

[5:39:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): drafting a letter i will definitely want to see it if i'm going to

[5:39:23] Trustee Rogers (probable): sign it um and it'll go to sepa now mike richards is uh responsible there's a new policy i didn't

[5:39:32] Trustee Rogers (probable): tell you there's too many things going on mike richards now is the person that coordinates

[5:39:37] Trustee Rogers (probable): nate's advocacy letters okay okay

[5:39:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): okay so that's been moved and seconded uh any further discussion

[5:39:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): no all in favor that passes unanimously thank you very much for bringing that to me

[5:39:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): um probably get a call from the ceo um we next upcoming meetings uh we have a cim on june the

[5:40:03] Trustee Rogers (probable): the 14th at 1230.

[5:40:05] Trustee Rogers (probable): Looking forward to seeing a number of people

[5:40:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): from the community here for that.

[5:40:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): That's to deal with the Crystal Mountain proposal.

[5:40:14] Trustee Rogers (probable): So, and then our next regular scheduled meeting

[5:40:17] Trustee Rogers (probable): is July the fifth location to be determined.

[5:40:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm like that.

[5:40:21] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm guessing I'll see you guys right here.

[5:40:25] Trustee Rogers (probable): Okay, we have one more town hall

[5:40:28] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh and i want to see if there's anybody that's still with us that wishes to speak before i ask

[5:40:35] Trustee Rogers (probable): my the trustees to recuse themselves i see jennifer so i'm guessing that's you jane that

[5:40:40] Trustee Rogers (probable): gets to recuse yourself um is there anybody and carmita is there anybody else that wishes to speak

[5:40:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): then i'm guessing they're both gonna but stick around we can have a brief debrief after if you

[5:40:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): you stick around okay

[5:40:59] Voice 12: okay

[5:41:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): uh so

[5:41:02] Voice 18: miss margerson i assume you're you're speaking to us about giggers

[5:41:09] Voice 18: thank you very

[5:41:15] Voice 6: much and i'm very aware that this has been an incredibly long day for all of you so

[5:41:20] Voice 6: i'll try and be brief um i wasn't quite sure how to make these comments um as they involve both

[5:41:26] Voice 6: the galley and giggers rezoning application but i'm was only going to point out that if it was not

[5:41:32] Voice 6: already obvious the great contrast with the way groundwater concerns have been addressed

[5:41:40] Voice 6: in trust meetings concerning each rezoning. For three years our strata and neighborhood have been

[5:41:47] Voice 6: bringing forward the concerns that both our resident trustees brought forward today with

[5:41:53] Voice 6: the professional backing of Mr. Shulba and supported by Planner Smith. So while I do not

[5:42:00] Voice 6: understand exactly why it has taken so long in the case of one rezoning I just

[5:42:06] Voice 6: want to say that I'm very grateful and I know I speak for many others to hear

[5:42:11] Voice 6: that these these concerns articulated and specific requirements made by the

[5:42:16] Voice 6: trustees for what I think is the critical collection of more data to

[5:42:21] Voice 6: ensure that there will be water sustainability for all and I'd really

[5:42:26] Voice 6: like to commend Jane of course isn't here but commend her and and and to hear

[5:42:32] Voice 6: both for speaking in in strong voices and I believe that such water related

[5:42:41] Voice 6: actions could have been taken several years ago and that is a puzzle to me but

[5:42:47] Voice 6: I do have a request for planner Smith in his upcoming discussion with mr.

[5:42:51] Voice 6: And that is for observation or monitoring of more than just the proponents well, so that we really do have fulsome data.

[5:43:01] Voice 6: And just to finish up here, I would like to say that I think Jane's idea of an expert standing APC actually would really have helped here.

[5:43:13] Voice 6: And I think we would all be further ahead.

[5:43:16] Voice 6: head. And I think it's a lot to expect of our volunteer APC members to have the kind of

[5:43:22] Voice 6: background in these very complex, not just water, but environmental and climate change issues. So

[5:43:29] Voice 6: thank you very much for your time today.

[5:43:33] Voice 25: Bye-bye. Carmita, I'm

[5:43:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): sorry to use the informality of your

[5:43:43] Trustee Rogers (probable): first name, but it doesn't, your last name doesn't show up and I, I'm sorry, I've forgotten it today.

[5:43:48] Trustee Rogers (probable): Now

[5:43:49] Voice 4: I can?

[5:43:50] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes, please.

[5:43:51] Voice 4: I am a panelist.

[5:43:53] Voice 4: Okay, yes.

[5:43:54] Voice 4: Well, two things.

[5:43:55] Voice 4: One, I read the first 20 pages of the Galeano Community Wildfire Protection Plan.

[5:44:02] Voice 4: Brad sent it to me now this afternoon.

[5:44:05] Voice 4: In page five, it says, development permits should require the developer to conduct a fuel hazard and fire risk assessment of the site.

[5:44:18] Voice 4: In page 9, a fuel hazard and fire risk assessment report should be completed for each new development.

[5:44:29] Voice 4: And in the same page, qualified professionals should be used to rate interface fuel hazard and to develop treatment prescription.

[5:44:39] Voice 4: So I only arrived to page 20.

[5:44:43] Voice 4: I don't know, didn't you have this before, during these four months that I have been

[5:44:48] Voice 4: trying to study about the fire risk?

[5:44:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): Sorry, are you asking me a question?

[5:44:57] Trustee Rogers (probable): Yes.

[5:44:58] Voice 4: Is this paper that now Brad Smith sent, the Planner Smith, Galliano Community Wildfire,

[5:45:06] Voice 4: et cetera.

[5:45:07] Voice 4: Didn't you know about it before?

[5:45:09] Voice 4: Well,

[5:45:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm not sure I agree with what it is that you're saying about what it says, but go ahead, keep talking.

[5:45:17] Voice 4: Well, it's said there on page five. You could read it on page five.

[5:45:20] Trustee Rogers (probable): I will read it.

[5:45:21] Voice 4: Yeah, and in the second one, it's about water. And I think it's important also for Green Galliano. And it's about Mr.

[5:45:33] Voice 4: No, you can't.

[5:45:34] Voice 25: No, I

[5:45:35] Voice 4: will not mention. It's about Mr. Cajon's report.

[5:45:37] Voice 4: report you

[5:45:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): cannot talk about the the no i will

[5:45:41] Voice 4: not i will not i will not it's in general about

[5:45:45] Voice 4: mr kohul report i know you are tired but i am so tired now mr kohul in the report in the high

[5:45:56] Voice 4: share report is it the galliano green high no no no

[5:46:00] Voice 4: no no not the here is

[5:46:02] Voice 9: i just really want to

[5:46:03] Voice 9: to make a point not to hear anything. Thank you. Thank you.

[5:46:06] Voice 4: Okay. He said that utilization of the

[5:46:11] Voice 4: well at the pumping rate of 1.07 US gallons permitted will have minimal effects on neighboring

[5:46:20] Voice 4: wells. Now, what happened was that after the Water License Office prepared a report on February 21st

[5:46:32] Voice 4: presented using two gallons instead of 1.7.

[5:46:39] Voice 4: So Mr. Kohl wrote a letter five days before that saying to,

[5:46:46] Voice 4: it is my understanding that demand is now projected to be two-use gallon.

[5:46:55] Voice 4: It is evident that the well is capable of meeting a demand of 2 US gallons per minute.

[5:47:03] Voice 4: But Fergie has said this one will have minimal effects.

[5:47:08] Voice 4: When you go to 2 US gallons, you double.

[5:47:10] Voice 4: One zero point use gallon is around 2,000 litres per year, while two gallons is 415 litres per year. It's double.

[5:47:28] Voice 4: Now, the other thing that Mr. Kohut said, it was in the community information meeting.

[5:47:35] Voice 4: He said the long-term pumping at 3.41 US gallons per minute is the one that is the average and long-term.

[5:47:54] Voice 4: The office, the licensed office, is doing it at 5 US gallons per minute.

[5:48:03] Voice 4: That means it changed it, cohort.

[5:48:07] Voice 4: If it were a cohort, like he did all the use, the man, et cetera, it was 18,587 liters per minute.

[5:48:20] Voice 4: Now it will be 27,255 liters per minute.

[5:48:27] Voice 4: It has doubled the use of water, according to the water license office.

[5:48:32] Voice 4: And that, I imagine, it will have some consequences on the wells in proximity.

[5:48:43] Voice 4: So it's just to see how this report, you never know the value of this report.

[5:48:52] Voice 4: They are scientific report, but Mr. Koku just changed it quickly.

[5:48:57] Voice 4: And now the use will be the double of water.

[5:49:02] Voice 4: It's just for you to take in account.

[5:49:04] Voice 4: Yeah, and what

[5:49:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): I'm going to suggest, Karmita, for today and always, is it's very difficult if you start to put out numbers and when we don't have the, I mean, we have access to the reports, but we're not necessarily looking at them at that time.

[5:49:26] Trustee Rogers (probable): if you have specific data points that you want to point out i mean you can come and tell us but

[5:49:33] Trustee Rogers (probable): i'm not going to guarantee you're going to be able to follow where you're going you can always write

[5:49:39] Trustee Rogers (probable): us and tell

[5:49:40] Voice 16: us what it is you're

[5:49:41] Trustee Rogers (probable): specifically trying to point out because i'm not sure which

[5:49:44] Trustee Rogers (probable): report you're talking about what i know is we've had mr kohut we've had the the provincial

[5:49:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): provincial hydrogeologists, and we've had Mr. Shilba all look at those reports and come to the

[5:49:56] Trustee Rogers (probable): same conclusion.

[5:49:57] Voice 4: Yeah. Well, Mr. Kohul is very different from the provincial. That's a comparison

[5:50:02] Voice 4: I am giving to you, and I will send it to you. I will send it to you, what I discovered. Okay.

[5:50:11] Voice 4: Thank you very much, and relax now. Bye-bye.

[5:50:15] Trustee Rogers (probable): Have a nice evening. Thank you.

[5:50:17] Voice 4: Is there anybody else

[5:50:18] Trustee Rogers (probable): anybody else that wish to speak to the local trust committee before we adjourn

[5:50:22] Trustee Rogers (probable): thank you for staying with us it's been a long day it's 6 20 um but we made i don't know we

[5:50:30] Trustee Rogers (probable): had some very good discussions uh so with that i'm going to um close out as somewhat as i begun

[5:50:38] Trustee Rogers (probable): which is to simply say thank you for joining us keep in mind um uh the events and uh your the

[5:50:46] Trustee Rogers (probable): the impact that reconciliation has in your life

[5:50:51] Trustee Rogers (probable): and the issues that face our community.

[5:50:54] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you very much for keeping us.

[5:50:55] Trustee Rogers (probable): And Tahira, do you have any last things to say?

[5:50:58] Trustee Rogers (probable): So just stick for a minute, Tahira,

[5:51:00] Trustee Rogers (probable): and we'll get Jane back

[5:51:01] Trustee Rogers (probable): and just have a little brief conversation

[5:51:04] Trustee Rogers (probable): about the next steps.

[5:51:07] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you very much.

[5:51:08] Trustee Rogers (probable): We're going to close the meeting now.

[5:51:10] Trustee Rogers (probable): Thank you, Maple.

[5:51:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): You can close.

[5:51:11] Trustee Rogers (probable): And thank you, Maple, for hanging in this one.

[5:51:15] Voice 12: Okay, you're welcome.

[5:51:16] Voice 12: can

[5:51:16] Trustee Rogers (probable): you tell me when we're offline

[5:51:18] Voice 12: okay