Islands Trust Council regular meeting, June 17, 2021

[0:00:01] Trustee Rogers: Okay, good morning. Welcome to the regular meeting of the Gabriel Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:13] Trustee Rogers: It feels like it's been a while since we've talked, and I think that's because it has been

[0:00:18] Trustee Rogers: a while since we spoke, and we didn't meet in May, and so that's why it feels that way.

[0:00:26] Trustee Rogers: I want to just take a moment before we start. My name is Dan Rogers, and a little bit more about

[0:00:32] Trustee Rogers: that in a moment and just acknowledge that we're meeting on the traditional territories of the

[0:00:38] Trustee Rogers: Coast Salish people and in particular of course on Gabriola, the Stunamik First Nation.

[0:00:48] Trustee Rogers: This has been a thought-provoking time over the past number of weeks and months as some of the

[0:01:02] Trustee Rogers: the realities of the history of the treatment of First Nations people, and the cultural

[0:01:13] Trustee Rogers: genocide that has gone on, particularly with residential schools, but otherwise have become

[0:01:18] Trustee Rogers: clearer, have become more in focus, as we are reminded of the truth that has been spoken

[0:01:30] Trustee Rogers: spoken by the Indigenous people of Canada.

[0:01:34] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure, but everyone with settler communities

[0:01:37] Trustee Rogers: were always listening,

[0:01:38] Trustee Rogers: and hopefully we're listening more carefully now.

[0:01:41] Trustee Rogers: We are very grateful to be able to live

[0:01:45] Trustee Rogers: in their traditional territories.

[0:01:47] Trustee Rogers: It's a beautiful day in Coast Salish territory,

[0:01:50] Trustee Rogers: and I'd just like to take a moment for all of us

[0:01:54] Trustee Rogers: to think about what it means for us individually

[0:01:58] Trustee Rogers: individually to to be able to have the privilege of living in this area so if i could just take

[0:02:04] Trustee Rogers: a moment to think about for us all to think about that um

[0:02:09] Voice 16: i'm

[0:02:16] Trustee Rogers: coming to you from today from the

[0:02:18] Trustee Rogers: uh the uh traditional territory of the musqueam slave tooth and squamish uh peoples and first

[0:02:25] Trustee Rogers: nations as i'm in vancouver um and i i just like just if any either of the trustees wish to say

[0:02:32] Trustee Rogers: anything but before we go on, I'll give you that opportunity before we start the meeting.

[0:02:38] Voice 13: Yeah, I'd like to also acknowledge the fact that I'm coming from the traditional

[0:02:43] Voice 13: territory that's the name of First Nation and the recent events have hit me hard as well

[0:02:49] Voice 13: and inadequate as words can be, I really do want to extend my heartfelt condolences

[0:02:55] Voice 13: to all First Nations. This is really being indicative of and it's an indictment of our

[0:03:03] Voice 13: moral and ethical values that we as canadians supposedly hold you know what's happened in the

[0:03:09] Voice 13: past and what's currently happening as trustee roger said cultural genocide i think it's more

[0:03:15] Voice 13: than that it's just genocide when you read some of the reports like the dr peter bryce's 1907 report

[0:03:22] Voice 13: he you know on the health conditions of children in the residential schools at that time he

[0:03:29] Voice 13: reported in one place in the file hills colony residential school he found that 69 percent of

[0:03:35] Voice 13: all alumni had died almost all of them from tuberculosis and his report goes on to talk

[0:03:42] Voice 13: about the conditions that the children were living in at the time so it it was really a

[0:03:48] Voice 13: form of genocide as far as i'm concerned and we subtler today maybe there's still an element of

[0:03:55] Voice 13: of that here in our society.

[0:03:58] Voice 13: And I think we need to address that.

[0:03:59] Voice 13: So I feel guilty for actually living on their territory

[0:04:05] Voice 13: in some respects based on all of this past history.

[0:04:08] Voice 13: So anyway, thank you.

[0:04:11] Voice 13: And if you want to look at Peter Bryce's report,

[0:04:13] Voice 13: it's available on the internet,

[0:04:15] Voice 13: as well as his 1922 booklet,

[0:04:20] Voice 13: which he subsequently published

[0:04:22] Voice 13: after he was let go from the government about it.

[0:04:25] Voice 13: it's worth reading thank you uh

[0:04:30] Trustee Colbourne: thank you both for those words and um i completely agree uh we

[0:04:34] Trustee Colbourne: held a really moving moment at trust council where we were had a moment of silence for 215 seconds

[0:04:39] Trustee Colbourne: and that was a good contemplative time um and uh you know i consider it my mandate to create a safe

[0:04:47] Trustee Colbourne: respectful space for relationship building with first nations and to to put some of this healing

[0:04:51] Trustee Colbourne: into action that we can do together in good ways.

[0:04:55] Trustee Colbourne: I'd also just like to talk about something

[0:05:00] Trustee Colbourne: that's happened in the wake of the news out of Canada.

[0:05:03] Trustee Colbourne: And that's the senior intergovernmental policy advisor,

[0:05:07] Trustee Colbourne: Lisa Wilcox started a change.org petition.

[0:05:10] Trustee Colbourne: It got, she was expecting 500, a thousand people.

[0:05:14] Trustee Colbourne: The petition was to have a day of mourning

[0:05:16] Trustee Colbourne: specific to residential schools, a national day of mourning,

[0:05:19] Trustee Colbourne: not a statutory holiday but a day to sort of to recognize this to look at the Truth and

[0:05:26] Trustee Colbourne: Reconciliation Commission calls to action which have largely gone unheeded and and to you know

[0:05:31] Trustee Colbourne: when we heal when we mourn together we heal together that petition received over 200,000

[0:05:37] Trustee Colbourne: almost 250,000 signatures it's now been taken to parliament and it's there's now a parliamentary

[0:05:43] Trustee Colbourne: petition so I just want to acknowledge her work both within the trust and also in the national

[0:05:48] Trustee Colbourne: conversation in the national um move toward healing and truth and and and the supporting

[0:05:54] Trustee Colbourne: of indigenous resurgence as we heal together and learn these things together so um i'm happy to be

[0:06:02] Trustee Colbourne: associated the same organization with her and and i hope we can um um find ways to step into a a new

[0:06:12] Trustee Colbourne: future that doesn't forget the past but that addresses some of the the core pieces of how this

[0:06:18] Trustee Colbourne: as these places have been settled and colonized and used.

[0:06:24] Trustee Colbourne: Thank you.

[0:06:25] Trustee Colbourne: Thank you gentlemen.

[0:06:31] Trustee Rogers: So this is the regular meeting

[0:06:33] Trustee Rogers: of the Gabriel Electoral Trust Committee

[0:06:34] Trustee Rogers: and we're continuing our process

[0:06:37] Trustee Rogers: of holding these meetings virtually.

[0:06:41] Trustee Rogers: If you've joined us on the webinar,

[0:06:46] Trustee Rogers: I see we have eight participants.

[0:06:49] Trustee Rogers: You'll be obviously watching us

[0:06:52] Trustee Rogers: and being able to participate at certain times.

[0:06:56] Trustee Rogers: This is also being live broadcast.

[0:06:58] Trustee Rogers: I know that there's a number of people that will watch it live,

[0:07:03] Trustee Rogers: but not necessarily join the webinar.

[0:07:08] Trustee Rogers: But you're welcome to at any time.

[0:07:10] Trustee Rogers: And, of course, it's being recorded and will appear on our website

[0:07:14] Trustee Rogers: within a matter of days.

[0:07:16] Trustee Rogers: It just depends on whether they can get around to it.

[0:07:20] Trustee Rogers: it'll be it's very soon anyway the the recording is there for you to watch at your own time

[0:07:28] Trustee Rogers: the process that we continue to utilize is that you will be able to see on your screen mostly

[0:07:34] Trustee Rogers: the trustees and staff as we proceed through our agenda our work agenda this is our work

[0:07:41] Trustee Rogers: meeting, of course, and we have a lengthy agenda today, including a public hearing in a little

[0:07:51] Trustee Rogers: while. And as we work our way through, we're doing our best technologically. We've been doing this

[0:07:59] Trustee Rogers: for about 14 months now, and we've got a lot of the kinks out, but connectivity issues continue

[0:08:06] Trustee Rogers: to be a problem from time to time.

[0:08:08] Trustee Rogers: If you're having any difficulties, please let us know.

[0:08:11] Trustee Rogers: We'll try and resolve those for you.

[0:08:13] Trustee Rogers: We are in the process of working our way towards going back

[0:08:17] Trustee Rogers: to some form of in-person meetings.

[0:08:20] Trustee Rogers: I'm not quite exactly sure when that will be.

[0:08:23] Trustee Rogers: Nobody is, I think it's fair to say,

[0:08:26] Trustee Rogers: but we're planning for that at a trust level.

[0:08:30] Trustee Rogers: And I look forward to the day I can actually return to Gabriela

[0:08:35] Trustee Rogers: and see some of the people that I hear from in person. So let me introduce the people that are

[0:08:43] Trustee Rogers: here. You'll see on your screen, of course, there are your two local trustees, Trustee Case Langeis

[0:08:48] Trustee Rogers: and Trustee Scott Colburn, who you've heard from already this morning. My name is Dan Rodgers. I'm

[0:08:55] Trustee Rogers: the Chair. I'm the Executive Committee of Trust Council. I've been assigned and have the privilege

[0:09:00] Trustee Rogers: of chairing Gabriel Galeano in Maine Islands as part of my responsibilities. You'll also see in

[0:09:07] Trustee Rogers: your screen at the present time some of the staff. I'm going to just go sort of in the order of

[0:09:15] Trustee Rogers: people that will not continue to appear on your screen. You'll see Will Cottingham, who is the

[0:09:21] Trustee Rogers: planning assistant who is running all of the technology behind the scenes. You may hear me

[0:09:28] Trustee Rogers: talk well from time to time as we promote people to allow them to speak and for other reasons. So

[0:09:34] Trustee Rogers: thank you, Will. You also see Nadine Moreau, who is our wonderful recorder. Nice to see you, Nadine.

[0:09:43] Trustee Rogers: Thank you. You may hear me speak with Nadine as well from time to time. And then we have a series

[0:09:47] Trustee Rogers: of our planning staff with us. We have the regional planning manager, Heather Cower. Hi,

[0:09:53] Trustee Rogers: Hi, Heather, and we have, I'm going around my screen.

[0:09:58] Trustee Rogers: This would describe like Hollywood squares.

[0:10:01] Trustee Rogers: I see Teresa Mejiqua, nice to see you, Teresa.

[0:10:04] Trustee Rogers: We'll be hearing from you.

[0:10:05] Trustee Rogers: Ian Cox, Planner Ian Cox, hi Ian, and he has a few reports.

[0:10:12] Trustee Rogers: Planners, Island Planner, Sonia Zupanich, hi Sonia,

[0:10:16] Trustee Rogers: and Bronwyn's Planner, Bronwyn Sawyer.

[0:10:20] Trustee Rogers: So as we get to their reports in our package, you'll be seeing them come on the screen and be hearing their reports as we go along.

[0:10:32] Trustee Rogers: As I said, we do have a public hearing coming along.

[0:10:37] Trustee Rogers: long and um before we and before i go into the agenda i want to just take a moment to acknowledge

[0:10:45] Trustee Rogers: um i heard the news this morning that uh former chair of gabriel local trust committee and my

[0:10:52] Trustee Rogers: trust committee before before i was trustee uh former chair of the islands trust conservancy and

[0:10:59] Trustee Rogers: a uh a real force um and the uh trust uh louise bell from denman island passed away this morning

[0:11:06] Trustee Rogers: and I just want to acknowledge the work and her contribution to numerous parts of the Trust

[0:11:14] Trustee Rogers: over the years. I just want to acknowledge and extend our condolences to her family and friends

[0:11:21] Trustee Rogers: and those of you on the island who knew her will know what a loss this is not only for

[0:11:29] Trustee Rogers: or her family but for the trust um so for the agenda uh can i ask the trustees um whether uh

[0:11:42] Trustee Rogers: there's anything they wish to add or change in relation to the nothing from your trusty

[0:11:48] Trustee Rogers: longer has nothing from you just i

[0:11:50] Trustee Colbourne: just wanted to i wanted to um just get some clarity on how

[0:11:55] Trustee Colbourne: we're going to approach um short-term vacation rentals in that there's a recommendation or some

[0:12:01] Trustee Colbourne: some conversation around how and whether to um do temporary use permits um and also we have of

[0:12:09] Trustee Colbourne: course a decision item um with an application so i'm just wondering how to do that in in the order

[0:12:15] Trustee Colbourne: that we're going to have those conversations because you know they are connected in some way

[0:12:19] Trustee Colbourne: but is there any direction?

[0:12:24] Trustee Rogers: I can look for direction.

[0:12:27] Trustee Rogers: I know of what you speak of.

[0:12:29] Trustee Rogers: As we get to the housing auction,

[0:12:31] Trustee Rogers: there's a recommendation,

[0:12:36] Trustee Rogers: but an auction put forward by the staff

[0:12:39] Trustee Rogers: related to how we deal with commercial vacation rentals.

[0:12:42] Trustee Rogers: I think that's what they call them in there

[0:12:43] Trustee Rogers: by way of TUP.

[0:12:46] Trustee Rogers: And there is a TUP on the agenda

[0:12:49] Trustee Rogers: that's worked its way through the process

[0:12:51] Trustee Rogers: and has a staff report attached to it.

[0:12:56] Trustee Rogers: I guess it's up to the trustees.

[0:13:01] Trustee Rogers: I'm certainly happy to have advice from the staff,

[0:13:05] Trustee Rogers: from the RPM or anybody, the staff,

[0:13:08] Trustee Rogers: but it's up to the trustees in each case,

[0:13:10] Trustee Rogers: whether to grant that and how to deal with them.

[0:13:13] Trustee Rogers: My inclination is to believe that any current applications

[0:13:17] Trustee Rogers: or an application that's before us would be dealt with

[0:13:22] Trustee Rogers: in the course based on the rules that were in place

[0:13:26] Trustee Rogers: at the time the application was filed.

[0:13:27] Trustee Rogers: But I guess that they're always discretionary.

[0:13:33] Trustee Rogers: So RPM, do you have anything to suggest related to that?

[0:13:37] Voice 12: I was just going to say what you just said, Chair Rogers,

[0:13:39] Voice 12: that applications have to be considered under current rules.

[0:13:44] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:13:44] Voice 12: yeah

[0:13:45] Voice 16: yeah is that okay with the trustees i

[0:13:52] Trustee Rogers: mean if that makes sense um i have so i have a number

[0:13:55] Trustee Rogers: of things to say about the issue when we get to it in the housing options report uh or i guess

[0:14:00] Trustee Rogers: down this road on it but uh that's sort of my view of how these things be dealt with fairly

[0:14:11] Trustee Rogers: um so i just want to uh also say uh that this is a very busy agenda so i'm hoping everybody

[0:14:20] Trustee Rogers: but we're already at quarter to 11.

[0:14:25] Trustee Rogers: And the public hearing has to support

[0:14:27] Trustee Rogers: the community information and public hearing

[0:14:28] Trustee Rogers: have to start at 11.05.

[0:14:30] Trustee Rogers: So as we get, as we'll have to interrupt

[0:14:32] Trustee Rogers: wherever we're at at that point to do those processes.

[0:14:36] Trustee Rogers: And then let's try and be as efficient

[0:14:40] Trustee Rogers: and concise as we can be.

[0:14:44] Trustee Rogers: And I'll try and do the same.

[0:14:45] Trustee Rogers: So if there's nothing else related to the agenda,

[0:14:48] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to, there is, the first item is a rise in report.

[0:14:51] Trustee Rogers: We had a closed meeting and there was nothing to rise

[0:14:54] Trustee Rogers: in report from that closed meeting at the end of April.

[0:14:59] Trustee Rogers: And then now we're into trustee reports.

[0:15:01] Trustee Rogers: So over to you, who would like to go first this morning?

[0:15:06] Trustee Rogers: Whoever unmutes first can go.

[0:15:09] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Langer, go ahead.

[0:15:11] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I'll

[0:15:11] Voice 13: go first there, thank you.

[0:15:12] Voice 13: Yeah, for myself there, you know,

[0:15:15] Voice 13: I've continued to meet with the trust programs committee

[0:15:19] Voice 13: of which Trustee Rogers and Trustee Colburn are also on,

[0:15:24] Voice 13: on the rewrite of the trust policy statement.

[0:15:28] Voice 13: And we now have a version two,

[0:15:32] Voice 13: which you can access through the trust website.

[0:15:35] Voice 13: And I really do strongly encourage people to read it now

[0:15:39] Voice 13: in preparation for the July 8th meeting of trust council

[0:15:44] Voice 13: and the town hall that'll occur the day prior

[0:15:47] Voice 13: on July the 7th it is it is a major revamp and there's a lot of good things

[0:15:52] Voice 13: in it and there's a lot of things that people need to just consider it's it

[0:15:59] Voice 13: extensive it's also a major reordering of the trust policy statement so it's

[0:16:03] Voice 13: going to be a little bit of a challenge to read the current one and look at the

[0:16:07] Voice 13: revised one but if it'll just take some time so I would encourage people to

[0:16:12] Voice 13: spend more time go to it sooner than later um and reviewing reviewing that um the select committee

[0:16:21] Voice 13: that i'm also on is still turning on the uh the successful proponents are reviewing the documents

[0:16:27] Voice 13: and will at some point this i can't remember the exact date they'll be doing interviews of trustees

[0:16:34] Voice 13: and senior staff and then a limited degree of with first nations and with some other community

[0:16:40] Voice 13: members that's the process of that still to be determined but that's forthcoming

[0:16:48] Voice 13: the Trust Council meeting I was a bit late for due to unforeseen circumstances

[0:16:54] Voice 13: so I missed the first part of it but one of the things that we did pass is a new

[0:17:00] Voice 13: model fee bylaw and that will be now up to local trust committees to review

[0:17:08] Voice 13: view their by-law, fee by-law to determine how it matches with the model by-law. The idea of the

[0:17:21] Voice 13: model by-law was average base over the whole trust wide. And I did a breakout of some of the fees.

[0:17:27] Voice 13: And for the most part, there are increases. There are actually some decreases in some areas.

[0:17:32] Voice 13: I don't have the figures offhand, but you really need to look at the model fee by-law and then

[0:17:37] Voice 13: look at the local model fee a local fee bylaw to see what the changes are um what i do recall is

[0:17:46] Voice 13: the uh just an lub uh amendment is actually a reduction for gabriola not an increase um

[0:17:55] Voice 13: so that uh also and the uh we got a report on correspondence and one of the things that i

[0:18:03] Voice 13: was always under the impression was when we get an email from the public and it's sent to myself

[0:18:08] Voice 13: and cc to say trustee colburn is it a is it a public doc public record document or not and

[0:18:16] Voice 13: i was told at one point it was the two part of the email that was the actual

[0:18:23] Voice 13: intended recipient but it was clarified and i agree with trustee rogers when he raised that up

[0:18:30] Voice 13: point up is that it's actually his communication with both trustees so if you do send an email

[0:18:34] Voice 13: mail to one trustee and cc the other please consider it as a public record document to the

[0:18:41] Voice 13: trust committee and then we would forward it on to the third trustee if it's not

[0:18:47] Voice 13: in cc to that person as trustee rogers mentioned about hybrid meetings uh you know a mix of

[0:18:56] Voice 13: in-person and electronic that's still to be worked out and that was uh we couldn't come to a decision

[0:19:03] Voice 13: the trust council on that and there'll be more work done on that so but i i do looking forward

[0:19:09] Voice 13: to in-person meetings coming back i uh it's it's a nice cost saving the uh the electronic version

[0:19:17] Voice 13: but it doesn't quite replace the in-person um some of the other um delegations interesting one is

[0:19:27] Voice 13: was from the Galeona Conservancy on the,

[0:19:31] Voice 13: they talked about ecological footprint,

[0:19:33] Voice 13: the biocapacity and ecological fingerprint,

[0:19:36] Voice 13: which is something I hadn't really heard of before.

[0:19:39] Voice 13: And I found that it's worthwhile looking at their presentation

[0:19:43] Voice 13: on the internet on that.

[0:19:49] Voice 13: And yeah, and locally it's tree cutting, right?

[0:19:53] Voice 13: It's a logging that's been occurring.

[0:19:54] Voice 13: the first and foremost I think a lot of people's minds what's happening to the trees on our on our

[0:20:03] Voice 13: island so I'll stop at that

[0:20:04] Voice 16: thanks thanks

[0:20:11] Trustee Rogers: thanks trustee Colbert over to you

[0:20:13] Trustee Colbourne: yes thank you for

[0:20:15] Trustee Colbourne: that definitely a lot of discussion about tree cutting and I think it's a good time to recommend

[0:20:20] Trustee Colbourne: advocacy to the minister of municipal affairs backing up our call for the trust to receive

[0:20:27] Trustee Colbourne: receive regulatory powers in line with what municipalities have so we can we can start to protect this incredibly endangered coastal Douglas fir ecosystem. In the interest of time I'm going to share a bunch of things some of this I shared during Trust Council as well.

[0:20:45] Trustee Colbourne: Well, because, you know, you're kind of paying me to partake and participate and learn in some of these either scientific panels, elected representatives, webinars.

[0:21:00] Trustee Colbourne: I think webinar may be the word of 2021, but I want to share, I think one of the core pieces that I've seen so far in this work is the State of the Salish Sea Report.

[0:21:13] Trustee Colbourne: It's 153 pages. It was produced and introduced within the past few weeks by the Salish Sea Institute.

[0:21:21] Trustee Colbourne: It's a kind of cross border collaboration with academics, researchers, government.

[0:21:29] Trustee Colbourne: And it's the science in this is is incredible.

[0:21:33] Trustee Colbourne: The recommendations, things like embrace multiple ways of knowing and connecting to the Salish Sea,

[0:21:38] Trustee Colbourne: social ecological system science recognize indigenous knowledge systems um uh there's

[0:21:44] Trustee Colbourne: some really incredible things here and the policy statement draft that has come out of the trust

[0:21:49] Trustee Colbourne: programs committee um process which which trustee longeras mentioned uh actually references this so

[0:21:55] Trustee Colbourne: i think that just shows you know this is a very um uh timely document um uh uh farmers for climate

[0:22:05] Trustee Colbourne: solutions uh took part in a climate caucus meeting uh they're looking at small scale organic kind of

[0:22:12] Trustee Colbourne: rural based solutions uh really building up a good body of knowledge and advocacy across the country

[0:22:18] Trustee Colbourne: and i've shared this with some local farmers and the co-op networks and and um and that's i i hope

[0:22:25] Trustee Colbourne: going to lead to some some good action there and i'm going to share um some of the reconciliation

[0:22:30] Trustee Colbourne: reports from March Trust Council. The website has changed. Everyone knows everyone's getting

[0:22:35] Trustee Colbourne: used to the website. These reports talk about truth before reconciliation. There's some really

[0:22:40] Trustee Colbourne: good history in here. This is led into the policy statement review process. And I'll share the

[0:22:45] Trustee Colbourne: petition that senior and governmental policy advisor Lisa Wilcox produced as well. And then

[0:22:51] Trustee Colbourne: I just wanted to reference something that came out yesterday. This is the climate,

[0:23:01] Trustee Colbourne: just give me one second here, the draft principles to guide the province of British Columbia's work

[0:23:05] Trustee Colbourne: on climate preparedness and adaptation. So they've put out draft guiding principles,

[0:23:09] Trustee Colbourne: you'll recognize the art, the same practitioner and design person who worked on the trust

[0:23:16] Trustee Colbourne: programs committee and the policy statement has done the art for this. I just want to quickly

[0:23:20] Trustee Colbourne: go over the draft guiding principles because I think there's a lot of overlap with the work that

[0:23:24] Trustee Colbourne: we're doing here. Number one is build a shared path to climate resilience with Indigenous peoples.

[0:23:29] Trustee Colbourne: Two is take an equity-informed approach. Three is enhance health and well-being for all.

[0:23:34] Trustee Colbourne: Four is promote nature-based solutions to enhance community resilience. Five is align emissions

[0:23:39] Trustee Colbourne: reduction with climate adaptation. And the last one is take a proactive approach to the business

[0:23:44] Trustee Colbourne: case for adaptation. So I'll put a link for that as well. Remember you can kind of save the chat

[0:23:50] Trustee Colbourne: and get all these links or do the tabs or something and thank you for the time and the

[0:23:55] Trustee Colbourne: opportunity to learn along with

[0:23:57] Voice 16: everybody here okay

[0:24:02] Trustee Rogers: thanks trustees just a few things I'd like

[0:24:05] Trustee Rogers: to flag first of all thanks for mentioning the state of the Salish Sea I've had the

[0:24:11] Trustee Rogers: the privilege of being able to go to two different Salish Sea conferences they were held every two

[0:24:21] Trustee Rogers: two years um either in seattle or in vancouver they would alternate uh they are amazing conferences

[0:24:29] Trustee Rogers: and i recommend them to trustees if you get a chance or anybody to get a chance to go

[0:24:33] Trustee Rogers: um uh highly high it's it's amazing it's it does two things it will um uh depress you about the

[0:24:43] Trustee Rogers: the damage that's being done um in terms of the marine environment uh and absolutely astound you

[0:24:50] Trustee Rogers: about the the knowledge level and and dedication of so many people that are working on trying to

[0:24:55] Trustee Rogers: find solutions to these issues um complicated by so many uh jurisdictional boundaries and

[0:25:01] Trustee Rogers: and overlaps etc but it's it's amazing it's based out of western washington university and is a

[0:25:08] Trustee Rogers: really remarkable uh amount of work that's done there so um i wanted to uh just did some good

[0:25:16] Trustee Rogers: news, something that was announced at Trust Council and its particular impact to me is that

[0:25:25] Trustee Rogers: the Howe Sound Alcatsum Biosphere Initiative, which encompasses obviously Howe Sound and the

[0:25:33] Trustee Rogers: surrounding terrestrial areas, is on the verge of being approved. It's been through all the

[0:25:39] Trustee Rogers: technical reviews and has been approved by the Technical Review Committee in Europe.

[0:25:45] Trustee Rogers: it simply has to go through the formal approval process by the board of directors

[0:25:49] Trustee Rogers: which has never which is more or less formality and so by september it will be formality

[0:25:54] Trustee Rogers: it will be formalized and um uh that will create the second biosphere in the trust area

[0:26:01] Trustee Rogers: and it's really a remarkable that a achievement from a group of extremely dedicated people in

[0:26:08] Trustee Rogers: in-house and will be an accomplishment for the whole trust area. Just two things on the trust

[0:26:16] Trustee Rogers: policy statement before we go. One is that the trust policy programs committee meeting on Monday,

[0:26:24] Trustee Rogers: while we haven't come up with language, there was one, and we didn't always agree on everything.

[0:26:29] Trustee Rogers: There was lots of disagreement about a number of things. One of the things we all agreed on

[0:26:34] Trustee Rogers: was to ensure that the draft of the Trust Policy Statement indicated that when we refer to the

[0:26:42] Trustee Rogers: environment, we don't mean the built environment. We're looking for the appropriate language to

[0:26:48] Trustee Rogers: ensure that we understand that it's the ecosystems that we're referring to and that will be a change

[0:26:55] Trustee Rogers: or some clarification in the Trust Policy Statement. The other thing I wanted to point out

[0:27:01] Trustee Rogers: was um because i've already started to get some calls about people about how this some of the

[0:27:08] Trustee Rogers: changes that are being proposed um uh could be could be uh put in place without uh more extensive

[0:27:16] Trustee Rogers: public consultation um depending uh on what trust council does on july the 8th with the trust policy

[0:27:23] Trustee Rogers: statement uh the clear intention and the plan is to is to take the the document or take the

[0:27:29] Trustee Rogers: proposal out for extensive public consultation at that point in time. So it's not as if the

[0:27:39] Trustee Rogers: public consultation is not going to occur. It will occur both at the local level and on trust

[0:27:46] Trustee Rogers: area wide. And that plan is to take it out after the trust council considers it on July the 8th

[0:27:54] Trustee Rogers: and does whatever it's going to do with it so um just so you're if you're concerned about that and

[0:28:00] Trustee Rogers: you heard trustee longer i said go have a read of it uh and and sure go ahead uh but just so you

[0:28:06] Trustee Rogers: know the public consultation is is is planned to roll out over the course of a year uh approximately

[0:28:13] Trustee Rogers: a year after the july introduction of the draft bylaw um i just wanted to also point out uh and

[0:28:21] Trustee Rogers: may bring it up later is I've been sitting on a provincial advisory body on short-term

[0:28:26] Trustee Rogers: vacation rentals and we had a fascinating meeting with our draft report with Expedia and Airbnb

[0:28:35] Trustee Rogers: yesterday. It was a really interesting indication about where they're at in terms of their

[0:28:45] Trustee Rogers: their business models and how that will all work with communities across British Columbia.

[0:28:51] Trustee Rogers: And I think they see the writing on the wall, the province is going to bring some extra regulation

[0:28:55] Trustee Rogers: and get involved in data sharing so that we have a better idea of what is going on

[0:29:01] Trustee Rogers: and how we can ensure that or better try to ensure that there is an ability to enforce regulations

[0:29:14] Trustee Rogers: as more compliance um anyway i i don't want to spend a lot of time talking about that but i just

[0:29:19] Trustee Rogers: thought i may bring it up when we get to the housing options and discussions around

[0:29:23] Trustee Rogers: having said all of that i'll leave it there uh i see it's 1101 and that leaves me enough time to

[0:29:31] Trustee Rogers: just to report out on the uh electoral area director's report before we head into the

[0:29:36] Trustee Rogers: community information meeting uh and i'm sorry to those that are here for the town hall we have to

[0:29:41] Trustee Rogers: to stick to the timeframe.

[0:29:43] Trustee Rogers: And so we'll come back to the town hall portion

[0:29:46] Trustee Rogers: of the agenda after that.

[0:29:49] Trustee Rogers: But let me just do Director Craig's report.

[0:29:52] Trustee Rogers: She says, thank you for inviting me to participate.

[0:29:55] Trustee Rogers: I'm unable to attend in person this month

[0:29:57] Trustee Rogers: due to an overlapping RDN meeting.

[0:30:00] Trustee Rogers: wanted to share the following. The RDN recently completed a search for a new CAO to replace our

[0:30:04] Trustee Rogers: current CAO, Phyllis Carlisle, who's moving on after five years. We appreciate all of her service

[0:30:11] Trustee Rogers: to the RDN. Doug Holmes, currently the CAO at the Albany Clayquot Regional District, will be joining

[0:30:17] Trustee Rogers: the RDN at the end of August. He says, I'm very excited to have Mr. Holmes join the RDN. This

[0:30:23] Trustee Rogers: week, approximately 12 fence sections at the entrance to Madrona Marketplace were removed

[0:30:27] Trustee Rogers: to improve visibility for drivers coming out of the marketplace as well as those traveling along

[0:30:33] Trustee Rogers: North Road. Rockville will be added behind the retaining wall to limit the fall hazard

[0:30:37] Trustee Rogers: and will eventually be covered with bark mulch. One tree will need to be removed in that section.

[0:30:43] Trustee Rogers: Windley, I'm not sure who that is, but I'm sure you all do, still has a few corrections to make

[0:30:48] Trustee Rogers: along the path, which are anticipated to be complete by the end of June. Additional improvements,

[0:30:53] Trustee Rogers: including placing bark mulch along the retaining walls,

[0:30:56] Trustee Rogers: connecting the Madrona marketplace sections

[0:30:58] Trustee Rogers: near the intersection North-South road

[0:31:01] Trustee Rogers: with stairs and a path and addressing the potential

[0:31:03] Trustee Rogers: for erosion in areas of the rope slopes are in planning.

[0:31:06] Trustee Rogers: The company Kalyan received the contract

[0:31:08] Trustee Rogers: for excavation route planning

[0:31:10] Trustee Rogers: for Gabriola Mudge and DeCourcy,

[0:31:13] Trustee Rogers: sorry, evacuation route planning, I apologize,

[0:31:16] Trustee Rogers: for Gabriola Mudge and DeCourcy.

[0:31:19] Trustee Rogers: Their project will include speaking to emergency responders

[0:31:21] Trustee Rogers: on all of the islands and we'll get

[0:31:23] Trustee Rogers: perspectives from elected representatives as well.

[0:31:26] Trustee Rogers: I've confirmed that they haven't already.

[0:31:28] Trustee Rogers: They'll be in touch with Gabriel and trustees

[0:31:30] Trustee Rogers: to schedule a meeting,

[0:31:31] Trustee Rogers: can find information and product on the RDN's

[0:31:33] Trustee Rogers: Get Involved website is getinvolved.rdn.ca.

[0:31:38] Trustee Rogers: The RDN is moving forward with consultation

[0:31:40] Trustee Rogers: on mandatory source separation.

[0:31:43] Trustee Rogers: Currently commercial businesses, institutions,

[0:31:45] Trustee Rogers: and multifamily dwellings are not required

[0:31:47] Trustee Rogers: to separate their waste streams

[0:31:48] Trustee Rogers: into garbage recycling and compost.

[0:31:50] Trustee Rogers: post. The RDN is proposing to implement mandatory waste separation as well as licensing waste

[0:31:55] Trustee Rogers: haulers in support of the goal to achieve a 90% diversion rate. The RDN is moving forward with

[0:32:02] Trustee Rogers: a transit development strategy and there's a survey open now until July 6th. The survey is

[0:32:07] Trustee Rogers: available at the Get Involved website mentioned above. All the meetings continue to be held

[0:32:12] Trustee Rogers: online and can be viewed live or accessed after the meeting by going to the RDN calendar. The

[0:32:20] Trustee Rogers: July 8th 1 p.m. start time the next RDN board meeting is on July 13th and 27th 1 p.m. start

[0:32:26] Trustee Rogers: time the bar recently decided can conduct a six-month trial of having two board meetings

[0:32:31] Trustee Rogers: per month instead of one committee of the whole one board meeting committee of the whole will

[0:32:36] Trustee Rogers: continue to be held if required board committees of the RDN do not meet in August so that's the

[0:32:41] Trustee Rogers: report from the electoral area director so trustees with your consent I'm going to move

[0:32:49] Trustee Rogers: move now because the schedule has this on the agenda to start at 1105. I'm going to move to

[0:32:57] Trustee Rogers: item seven on the agenda, which is the community information meeting, which will be followed by

[0:33:04] Trustee Rogers: public hearing regarding bylaw number 303, the cannabis regulation project. So the process will

[0:33:12] Trustee Rogers: be that we'll have a presentation from the planner. There'll then be a question and answer

[0:33:18] Trustee Rogers: session, and then we will adjourn the meeting, recess for the public hearing, there'll be an

[0:33:25] Trustee Rogers: opportunity for anyone to make any comments, and then we'll, after the public hearing is over,

[0:33:30] Trustee Rogers: we'll adjourn the public hearing and go back, come back to this meeting, picking up at the

[0:33:34] Trustee Rogers: panel hall. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to RPM Kaur for your presentation,

[0:33:45] Trustee Rogers: and then we'll have

[0:33:46] Voice 16: questions and answers.

[0:33:47] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:33:53] Voice 16: Thanks, Chair.

[0:33:55] Voice 12: And I'll try

[0:33:55] Voice 12: to, this is planned to be about five minutes,

[0:33:58] Voice 12: so we'll kind of, we'll get through it quickly.

[0:34:04] Voice 12: So trying to do a five minute and then a facilitated Q&A,

[0:34:08] Voice 12: as you said, and journey to 1115 for the CIM.

[0:34:12] Voice 12: The purpose of the bylaw before us, bylaw 303,

[0:34:16] Voice 12: is to amend the Gabriel of land use bylaw

[0:34:19] Voice 12: to allow for and regulate commercial growing

[0:34:21] Voice 12: and processing of cannabis and this is a listing of what the bylaw does just as a reminder we did

[0:34:30] Voice 12: have a community information meeting last June and and the bylaw has not been amended since then

[0:34:38] Voice 12: so the the draft that is before the LTC is the same as it was in June when I presented the last

[0:34:45] Voice 12: CIM last year. So these are some of the provisions of that. We, and just as a reminder as well, we

[0:34:55] Voice 12: can't prohibit, the LTC can't prohibit the growing of cannabis within soil-based buildings or outdoor

[0:35:03] Voice 12: growing of cannabis within the ALR. And then this just gives you an idea of some of the other land

[0:35:12] Voice 12: use by law regulations that are in existence that would still apply to cannabis production

[0:35:19] Voice 12: facilities and this kind of gives you a visual of what the regulations might result in you might

[0:35:29] Voice 12: have a cannabis field and then these are some limitations on the size of a building related

[0:35:35] Voice 12: to cannabis production and the setbacks of those and this is a map that was that was produced that

[0:35:44] Voice 12: that shows you where ALR properties are,

[0:35:48] Voice 12: where ag zones are.

[0:35:50] Voice 12: And again, those are where the bylaw proposes

[0:35:53] Voice 12: cannabis production facilities would be allowed.

[0:35:57] Voice 12: And the two kind of setbacks aside from 30 meters

[0:36:02] Voice 12: from a property line are 150 meter buffer

[0:36:07] Voice 12: from a school property or a P3 zone.

[0:36:14] Voice 12: So, and that shows you the buffers on that.

[0:36:20] Voice 12: So, this is where we're at in the process.

[0:36:23] Voice 12: Today, we've got our community information meeting

[0:36:25] Voice 12: and public hearing.

[0:36:28] Voice 12: Next step would be potentially to consider third reading.

[0:36:32] Voice 12: You will note that it is later on the agenda

[0:36:35] Voice 12: to consider that.

[0:36:36] Voice 12: Staff have, since the staff report was sent to the trust,

[0:36:42] Voice 12: staff have heard from Stonemic who wanted to meet

[0:36:45] Voice 12: and talk about the bylaw and any impacts for them.

[0:36:48] Voice 12: And I did meet with SNAMICS staff yesterday.

[0:36:53] Voice 12: They would like to take it away

[0:36:55] Voice 12: and consider it a little bit more.

[0:36:57] Voice 12: And so it is staff's recommendation

[0:37:01] Voice 12: that third reading not occur today

[0:37:04] Voice 12: based on SNAMICS requests for that.

[0:37:07] Voice 12: My meeting with them indicated their primary concern

[0:37:12] Voice 12: maybe in the future would be water usage.

[0:37:16] Voice 12: I know how much water these facilities are using,

[0:37:19] Voice 12: but they seem to recognize that the bylaw itself

[0:37:22] Voice 12: won't be resulting in direct development or water impact.

[0:37:29] Voice 12: So yeah, that's an update on that.

[0:37:32] Voice 12: Otherwise we have received one set of public comments

[0:37:36] Voice 12: from the Gabriel Agricultural Co-op

[0:37:39] Voice 12: who were concerned about the impact

[0:37:41] Voice 12: of cannabis on food security.

[0:37:45] Voice 12: And as we discussed, since we can't prohibit it in ALR,

[0:37:53] Voice 12: those kinds of ideas are sort of in conflict

[0:37:56] Voice 12: or we can't control that.

[0:38:00] Voice 12: So that is the end of my presentation

[0:38:03] Trustee Rogers: and I'll take questions.

[0:38:05] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[0:38:07] Trustee Rogers: Could you just go, but before I open the public questions,

[0:38:10] Trustee Rogers: can you go back to the previous screen?

[0:38:11] Voice 12: This one?

[0:38:12] Voice 12: Yeah,

[0:38:13] Trustee Rogers: because I'm not quite sure I understand the two boxes above the box where we're at

[0:38:19] Trustee Rogers: right now, because we're in the public hearing.

[0:38:22] Trustee Rogers: We've already done the APC referral.

[0:38:25] Voice 12: Right, right.

[0:38:26] Voice 12: Sorry.

[0:38:27] Voice 12: Sorry.

[0:38:27] Voice 12: I should have taken that box out.

[0:38:30] Voice 12: Right.

[0:38:30] Voice 12: We already did the APC referral.

[0:38:32] Trustee Rogers: And this would be.

[0:38:34] Trustee Rogers: So we're actually from the yellow box.

[0:38:36] Trustee Rogers: The theory is to go to the one in the top right hand corner.

[0:38:41] Voice 12: Right.

[0:38:41] Voice 12: okay ignoring these two yes sorry about that that's confusing i

[0:38:45] Trustee Rogers: know i it's probably a standard

[0:38:47] Trustee Rogers: box that somehow we got a cim public hearing in before anyway okay thank

[0:38:53] Trustee Rogers: you just because so um

[0:38:55] Trustee Rogers: i'm just going to um now turn to the uh sorry turn to see if the trustees have any questions

[0:39:04] Trustee Rogers: uh and then i'll i'll also uh ask that any attendees that may have any questions before

[0:39:10] Trustee Rogers: before we go into the public hearing,

[0:39:11] Trustee Rogers: please put your hand up

[0:39:13] Trustee Rogers: and we'll allow you to ask any questions.

[0:39:16] Trustee Rogers: And then once all the questions are done,

[0:39:19] Trustee Rogers: we'll go to the actual public hearing itself.

[0:39:21] Trustee Rogers: Any questions from trustees?

[0:39:23] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, Trustee Coleman.

[0:39:26] Trustee Colbourne: A lot of the public feedback that we see the letter today

[0:39:29] Trustee Colbourne: and from the APC as well

[0:39:30] Trustee Colbourne: is around the scale of operations.

[0:39:33] Trustee Colbourne: So there's sort of a concern about industrial scale

[0:39:36] Trustee Colbourne: and whether or not this opens the door to that

[0:39:38] Trustee Colbourne: or how this regulates that

[0:39:39] Trustee Colbourne: and some of the nuisance effects, smell, odor, that sort of thing. So could you just speak to

[0:39:44] Trustee Colbourne: how this can keep it at a scale that is commensurate with those expectations and also

[0:39:51] Trustee Colbourne: how it addresses the existing operations on the island that may or may not conform to these

[0:39:58] Trustee Colbourne: bylaws?

[0:40:00] Voice 12: Right, yeah. So a couple things. One is that the current bylaw requires study meter

[0:40:05] Voice 12: setbacks from all property lines. So there may be some properties that are zoned properly or in the

[0:40:11] Voice 12: ALR that still wouldn't be able to have a building that is a cannabis production facility because of

[0:40:18] Voice 12: the setback limitations. Also, the way that the bylaw is drafted, the buildings themselves are

[0:40:25] Voice 12: are limited to 200, I have to look at my presentation,

[0:40:30] Voice 12: to around 2000 square feet.

[0:40:33] Voice 12: And so the building limitations within the bylaw

[0:40:39] Voice 12: wouldn't allow for an industrial size facility

[0:40:43] Voice 12: because of that square footage limitation.

[0:40:47] Voice 12: And then your second question.

[0:40:50] Trustee Colbourne: Existing operations and

[0:40:52] Voice 12: whether or not this, yeah.

[0:40:53] Trustee Colbourne: yeah um

[0:40:54] Voice 12: existing operations aren't necessarily going to be legalized by this um if if they

[0:41:00] Voice 12: if they're in a um if they're in a zone that isn't alr that if they're not in alr and they're

[0:41:10] Voice 12: not in an ag zone they will remain um unlawful so um those those facilities would need to rezone

[0:41:18] Voice 12: own their property in order to um allow for the use and their buildings might be bigger than what

[0:41:24] Voice 12: the current bylaw allows as well so there would likely be some review of that as well through

[0:41:29] Voice 12: permitting so yep so

[0:41:36] Trustee Rogers: i'm not seeing any i'm not seeing any hands up uh oh there's one from uh

[0:41:42] Trustee Rogers: mr kilburn go ahead if you want to um promote mr kilburn and allow him to ask his question

[0:41:49] Trustee Rogers: if you unmute yourself there uh you and you can also turn your there there you go there we go

[0:42:04] Voice 27: can you hear me okay yep just a question about the square footage of the building size that

[0:42:10] Voice 27: heather just referenced is that the total building size or is that the max footage that can be used

[0:42:14] Voice 27: for growing like could the could you have more than 2 000 square feet if it's dedicated to like

[0:42:18] Voice 27: hvac washrooms the accessory stuff um

[0:42:24] Voice 12: that's a good question i i'd have to look at the language

[0:42:27] Voice 12: specifically to see but I believe it's a maximum it's a gross floor area um yeah for buildings and

[0:42:35] Voice 12: and of course that's inside you know out outdoor growing is unlimited yeah

[0:42:40] Trustee Rogers: that was the only

[0:42:41] Trustee Rogers: question thank you uh trustee Langeros yeah

[0:42:43] Voice 13: I just I wanted to comment on that that 2,000

[0:42:47] Voice 13: square feet sets the footprint size the licensing under the federal act talks about microprocessing

[0:42:55] Voice 13: and standard processing or production and that's based on actual surface area used for cultivation.

[0:43:05] Voice 13: So within a building, if you've got tiers within a building, the surface area of the

[0:43:12] Voice 13: usage for growing would be considered part of the licensing. So we've just gone with the

[0:43:22] Voice 13: size of the building. It doesn't necessarily preclude some standard at a lower scale.

[0:43:31] Voice 13: If you've got two-story building with multiple tiers within that building, they would look at

[0:43:37] Voice 13: the surface area used for production. So we could have, I suppose, just put in a microprocessing

[0:43:45] Voice 13: license being the only permitted one but we went by the building size okay

[0:43:53] Trustee Rogers: any other questions

[0:43:54] Trustee Rogers: before i adjourn the uh the community information meeting and move into the public hearing

[0:44:00] Trustee Rogers: i see nothing uh so i'm going to um adjourn the the local trust committee meeting and to for the

[0:44:12] Trustee Rogers: uh public hearing and i unfortunately have a script i have to read as part of the formalities

[0:44:19] Trustee Rogers: of doing this. So bear with me. So the public hearing for proposed bylaw number 303 is now

[0:44:25] Trustee Rogers: open. I wish to welcome everyone in attendance, acknowledge we are meeting in this public hearing

[0:44:30] Trustee Rogers: in the territory of the traditional territories of the Coast Salish First Nations, including the

[0:44:37] Trustee Rogers: Tsunami. I've already introduced everybody that you're going to see today. This public hearing

[0:44:43] Trustee Rogers: is being convened pursuant to section 465

[0:44:47] Trustee Rogers: of the Local Government Act

[0:44:49] Trustee Rogers: in order to consider the following proposed bylaw.

[0:44:52] Trustee Rogers: Proposed bylaw number 303

[0:44:54] Trustee Rogers: cited as Gabriel Island land use bylaw

[0:44:57] Trustee Rogers: number 177, 1999 amendment number 1, 2019.

[0:45:02] Trustee Rogers: All persons who believe their interest

[0:45:04] Trustee Rogers: is affected by the proposed bylaw

[0:45:06] Trustee Rogers: will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[0:45:10] Trustee Rogers: or to present written submissions

[0:45:12] Trustee Rogers: respecting matters contained in the proposed bylaw.

[0:45:16] Trustee Rogers: Those wishing to speak should commence their presentation

[0:45:18] Trustee Rogers: by clearly stating their name and address.

[0:45:22] Trustee Rogers: Members of the local, and of course the way you do that

[0:45:27] Trustee Rogers: is you hit the raise hand button

[0:45:29] Trustee Rogers: and I will acknowledge you.

[0:45:30] Trustee Rogers: Members of the local trust committee may if they wish

[0:45:33] Trustee Rogers: ask questions of you following your presentation.

[0:45:36] Trustee Rogers: However, the main function of the local trust committee

[0:45:38] Trustee Rogers: members is to listen to the views of the public

[0:45:42] Trustee Rogers: It is not the function of committee members to debate the merits of the proposed bylaw with

[0:45:48] Trustee Rogers: individual citizens. Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard and none

[0:45:53] Trustee Rogers: should feel discouraged from presenting their view. In considering the proposed bylaws, the

[0:45:59] Trustee Rogers: local trust committee has received documents which may influence decisions. Those documents

[0:46:04] Trustee Rogers: are available for review during the sitting hearing on our website and as indicated in the

[0:46:09] Trustee Rogers: public hearing notice uh any person who wishes to present a written submission to the local trust

[0:46:15] Trustee Rogers: committee may do so and all written submissions um must be received by the local trust committee

[0:46:23] Trustee Rogers: before the close of the hearing please send them to north ph sub at islandstrust.bc.ca

[0:46:34] Trustee Rogers: that's northphsub at islandstrust.bc.ca your only opportunity to comment on the proposed hearing is

[0:46:43] Trustee Rogers: during that's sorry proposed bylaw is during this hearing as members of the local trust committee

[0:46:48] Trustee Rogers: may not receive further submissions after the close of the hearing without reopening another

[0:46:54] Trustee Rogers: public hearing after this public hearing has concluded the local trust committee may without

[0:46:59] Trustee Rogers: without further notice make whatever decision

[0:47:01] Trustee Rogers: it seems proper with respect to the by-law

[0:47:04] Trustee Rogers: that are the subject of public hearing.

[0:47:08] Trustee Rogers: So the regional planning manager Kaur

[0:47:10] Trustee Rogers: will now summarize the public hearing notice,

[0:47:12] Trustee Rogers: key points of the by-law and referral agency response.

[0:47:18] Trustee Rogers: Over to you, Planner Kaur.

[0:47:20] Voice 12: Thanks, Chair.

[0:47:21] Voice 12: A copy of the notice related to this by-law

[0:47:24] Voice 12: was advertised in two consecutive editions

[0:47:27] Voice 12: of the gabriela sounder on june 2nd and june 9th 2021 all notification requirements under the local

[0:47:33] Voice 12: government act have been completed there is a copy of the complete public hearing binder available

[0:47:39] Voice 12: during this public hearing as the chair noted the purpose of proposed bylaw number 303 if adopted

[0:47:46] Voice 12: will amend the gabriela land use bylaw number 177 by doing the following allowing the commercial

[0:47:51] Voice 12: growing and processing of cannabis on land zoned A1 and in the ALR, limit buildings used for

[0:47:58] Voice 12: cannabis production to a maximum combined lot coverage of 200 square meters, which is 2,152

[0:48:04] Voice 12: square feet, and establish setbacks for buildings used for cannabis production as 30 meters from

[0:48:10] Voice 12: any lot line and 150 meters from any school property line or P3 zone. Proposed bylaw number

[0:48:17] Voice 12: 303 was referred to one provincial agency one regional agency two non-agencies and one first

[0:48:24] Voice 12: nation and we received one public comment from the gabriel agricultural co-op noting concern about

[0:48:32] Voice 12: food security that is my part thank

[0:48:39] Trustee Rogers: you did you want to talk about referrals um

[0:48:43] Voice 12: just uh

[0:48:45] Voice 12: I did note there was there were referrals we didn't receive any the only referral response

[0:48:53] Voice 12: we got was from Synonymic which was followed up with a meeting with Synonymic yesterday and we

[0:49:01] Voice 12: expect to hear more from them.

[0:49:03] Trustee Rogers: Okay submissions can be made at any time during and until the

[0:49:10] Trustee Rogers: close of the hearing if any submissions are received during the meeting and that would be

[0:49:15] Trustee Rogers: at northphsub at islandstrust.pc.ca.

[0:49:21] Trustee Rogers: There it is right there.

[0:49:22] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Will.

[0:49:23] Trustee Rogers: We will pause prior to closing to ensure

[0:49:27] Trustee Rogers: that the LTC has time to review those submissions.

[0:49:30] Trustee Rogers: I invite members who wish to speak to raise their hand.

[0:49:34] Trustee Rogers: Please state your name prior to making comments.

[0:49:36] Trustee Rogers: After your presentation to the LTC,

[0:49:38] Trustee Rogers: the trustees may ask you questions,

[0:49:39] Trustee Rogers: but they are primarily here to listen

[0:49:42] Trustee Rogers: and will not debate the issues with you. I will call three times for speakers before closing this

[0:49:47] Trustee Rogers: public hearing at which point no further written or oral submissions can be made. So I'm going to

[0:49:56] Trustee Rogers: go to the attendees list and ask is there anybody who wishes to speak or in

[0:50:03] Voice 16: the public hearing.

[0:50:04] Voice 16: I see no hands so I'm going to ask a

[0:50:18] Trustee Rogers: second time is there anybody who wishes to speak

[0:50:23] Trustee Rogers: to the Local Trust Committee

[0:50:24] Voice 16: in this public hearing.

[0:50:37] Trustee Rogers: So I'll ask a third time,

[0:50:39] Trustee Rogers: is there anybody in the attendance who wishes to speak

[0:50:43] Trustee Rogers: to this proposed bylaw

[0:50:45] Voice 16: in the public hearing?

[0:50:55] Voice 16: So I

[0:50:57] Trustee Rogers: have asked three times, I see nothing.

[0:51:00] Trustee Rogers: So this is your final opportunity.

[0:51:03] Trustee Rogers: I will ask staff whether we have received

[0:51:07] Trustee Rogers: any written submissions that the Local Trust Committee

[0:51:11] Trustee Rogers: committee should consider prior

[0:51:12] Voice 16: to closing the public hearing?

[0:51:21] Voice 16: No, not as far as I know, Chair.

[0:51:24] Trustee Rogers: I was actually asking Will, sorry.

[0:51:26] Voice 12: Will, yeah.

[0:51:26] Trustee Rogers: I think she monitors that email address.

[0:51:33] Trustee Rogers: Will, can you confirm there's been no written submissions?

[0:51:37] Voice 7: Sorry, I haven't seen anything come in.

[0:51:41] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you.

[0:51:43] Trustee Rogers: We did receive, and I think all of the trustees did receive an email

[0:51:46] Trustee Rogers: this morning with a comment, and it's actually been added to the

[0:51:50] Trustee Rogers: correspondence in the public hearing binder so we do have that having asked three times

[0:51:56] Trustee Rogers: i am going to now close the public hearing the please be advised that we are now in the

[0:52:04] Trustee Rogers: post public hearing stage of the legislative review of proposed bylaw number 303

[0:52:12] Trustee Rogers: gabriel local trust committee can now no longer receive information from the public directly

[0:52:18] Trustee Rogers: directly pertaining to the proposed by-law.

[0:52:21] Trustee Rogers: However, you can still submit any outstanding questions

[0:52:23] Trustee Rogers: or comments directly to the planner.

[0:52:26] Trustee Rogers: The LTC may give further readings to the by-law

[0:52:30] Trustee Rogers: or defeat the by-law or make minor amendments

[0:52:32] Trustee Rogers: that do not affect the use of density

[0:52:34] Trustee Rogers: without further notice or hearing.

[0:52:37] Trustee Rogers: You've heard us comment on that.

[0:52:39] Trustee Rogers: We have it on our agenda later.

[0:52:40] Trustee Rogers: So with that, I'm going to close this public hearing

[0:52:43] Trustee Rogers: with thanks to the original planning manager.

[0:52:45] Trustee Rogers: and we're going to go back to the agenda and we were at we'd finished 3.3 we were at 3.4

[0:52:58] Trustee Rogers: we both we've all spoken a fair amount about our First Nations but does anybody have any

[0:53:04] Trustee Rogers: further comments that they wish to make in terms of their First Nation reports either trustee

[0:53:10] Voice 16: nothing okay uh so

[0:53:18] Trustee Colbourne: uh just that we'll have a scheduled meeting is coming up within the next

[0:53:22] Trustee Colbourne: i believe it's next week uh tuesday tuesday with uh with the nation so um yeah very very grateful

[0:53:30] Trustee Colbourne: for the uh the opportunity to discuss things with them and i believe uh chair rogers is going to

[0:53:36] Trustee Colbourne: participate in that meeting i'll probably be there at the introduction and then um um that'll happen

[0:53:43] Trustee Colbourne: then so it's good to see these meetings um happening regularly yes

[0:53:47] Trustee Rogers: and i'm looking forward

[0:53:48] Trustee Rogers: because i haven't had the opportunity to meet um representatives of the systemic nation and

[0:53:53] Trustee Rogers: so i'm looking very much forward to uh spending an hour or an hour and a half on our protocol

[0:53:58] Trustee Rogers: issues etc with them along with lisa wilcox who's the who we've heard reference the senior

[0:54:04] Trustee Rogers: governmental policy advisor and i believe rpm cowers planning to come as well um but we'll see

[0:54:11] Trustee Rogers: so i have and i have nothing uh further to report uh i don't know if trustee langris do you have

[0:54:18] Trustee Rogers: anything further you'd like to say about it nope then what i'm going to do is i'm going to move to

[0:54:23] Trustee Rogers: the town hall um i have a question for trustees uh i know that we have a couple of members of the

[0:54:30] Trustee Rogers: housing options uh commission or report and i and and i know that there's an attention for them to

[0:54:39] Trustee Rogers: speak that they wish to speak in town hall at least i've been advised they said that but i

[0:54:44] Trustee Rogers: wondered if trustees would just as soon have them be available to speak with us when we get to that

[0:54:49] Trustee Rogers: item on the agenda but it's up to you i don't really have a one of you one way or another it's

[0:54:56] Trustee Rogers: just i know we've included them in our discussions before uh when we've been when we've considered

[0:55:03] Trustee Rogers: this matter at that time but i'm also quite content to have them speak in town hall and i'm

[0:55:08] Trustee Rogers: assuming they're available to continue to be here but I don't know that that's the case either and I

[0:55:14] Trustee Rogers: see but what do you do trustees have a view about that?

[0:55:20] Trustee Colbourne: I wouldn't mind asking them about

[0:55:22] Trustee Colbourne: availability because I think it does having people in person to answer questions or to provide

[0:55:28] Trustee Colbourne: context for the written stuff does definitely help so and

[0:55:31] Trustee Rogers: I see both Diane Dunsmore-Farley

[0:55:34] Trustee Rogers: and Toby Elliott are here I guess the question for you for them is are you if we invite you to

[0:55:43] Trustee Rogers: join us when we have the discussion at wherever it is 10.2 are you available to do that then as

[0:55:51] Trustee Rogers: opposed to speaking in town hall and maybe one of you could unmute and advise us because otherwise

[0:55:56] Trustee Rogers: I'll give you the opportunity to speak now Diane yeah there if you could let us know hi and thank

[0:56:02] Voice 4: you very much um thanks for the option i appreciate that i would be happy to speak to the item

[0:56:09] Voice 4: uh when you're addressing item 10.2 uh it would be helpful if there was a sense of what roughly

[0:56:17] Voice 4: that time frame might look like uh if you could give me a sense of that then i can make sure that

[0:56:22] Voice 4: i'm able to do that i

[0:56:24] Trustee Rogers: would think it's it's a guess but i would think and i think that we could

[0:56:29] Trustee Rogers: try i could tell you it will probably be about two o'clock

[0:56:32] Voice 4: okay all

[0:56:34] Trustee Rogers: right um we have a number

[0:56:36] Trustee Rogers: of applications to deal with uh some of which may be longer than others and uh but but so if i if i

[0:56:44] Trustee Rogers: said two o'clock and we would amend you know move our agenda around to uh to try and make it for

[0:56:51] Trustee Rogers: that would that be acceptable to you and miss elliott i don't know if there's somebody else

[0:56:55] Trustee Rogers: here and wishes to speak about it well certainly

[0:56:58] Voice 4: is satisfactory for me i really appreciate that

[0:57:02] Voice 4: okay

[0:57:02] Trustee Rogers: so why don't we do that uh and i see toby has her hand up now could you

[0:57:11] Voice 8: thank you chair rogers yeah um thanks i would like the chance to speak at town hall just briefly

[0:57:17] Voice 8: uh i know time is an issue and then i believe staff um they're inviting me to make a brief

[0:57:23] Voice 8: presentation during that uh item specifically about the proposed program so oh

[0:57:28] Trustee Rogers: i didn't know

[0:57:29] Trustee Rogers: that okay i wasn't aware that you had actually been invited to make the presentation so so why

[0:57:33] Trustee Rogers: don't we leave it that there will be an opportunity to engage but we'll allow you as well to speak in

[0:57:38] Trustee Rogers: town hall so thank you very much so this is an opportunity for you for everyone to speak to the

[0:57:42] Trustee Rogers: local trust committee and um and to uh to address items on our agenda or in general to the local

[0:57:52] Trustee Rogers: trust committee uh as always we ask people to be um respectful in their in their commentary to speak

[0:57:58] Trustee Rogers: to issues and not personalities or other people and to um and to ensure that this is a safe uh

[0:58:06] Trustee Rogers: workspace for everybody that's here and for everybody who's attending um uh if you are an

[0:58:11] Trustee Rogers: applicant uh you need not address us in town hall you will have an opportunity during the

[0:58:16] Trustee Rogers: consideration of your application to to speak to us however if you if someone is not an applicant

[0:58:22] Trustee Rogers: and wishes to address one of the applications that's on our agenda you should do so during

[0:58:28] Trustee Rogers: town hall um if you wish to speak because the only persons that we will listen that we will

[0:58:33] Trustee Rogers: hear from during actual applications are the applicants and the staff um so with that i'm

[0:58:39] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to turn back to the agenda.

[0:58:41] Trustee Rogers: And I did see that Deborah Ferencz's hand was up first.

[0:58:46] Trustee Rogers: And so I'll turn to Ms. Ferencz.

[0:58:49] Trustee Rogers: And if you could promote her.

[0:58:50] Trustee Rogers: And Ms. Ferencz, you'll be able to unmute yourself in a moment.

[0:58:55] Trustee Rogers: And also, if you wish, turn your camera on.

[0:59:08] Voice 16: It doesn't appear Deborah Ferencz has been promoted yet.

[0:59:19] Voice 16: It doesn't seem to

[0:59:21] Voice 7: be responding to the promoting.

[0:59:24] Voice 7: How about I just allow her to speak?

[0:59:26] Trustee Rogers: All right.

[0:59:27] Trustee Rogers: Sorry about that.

[0:59:28] Trustee Rogers: The technical issues continue.

[0:59:30] Trustee Rogers: So why don't you just unmute her and we'll hear from her.

[0:59:42] Voice 16: Hello.

[0:59:43] Voice 1: Hi.

[0:59:44] Voice 1: Oh, sorry about that.

[0:59:46] Voice 1: No, that's fine.

[0:59:48] Voice 1: I got a bit confused when I didn't see some prompts there, but thanks for the technical

[0:59:53] Voice 1: help.

[0:59:54] Voice 1: And hello, trustees and planners and everyone in attendance.

[0:59:58] Voice 1: My name is Deb.

[1:00:00] Voice 1: I'm Deborah Farrans and I live on 387 Lindgale Place.

[1:00:06] Voice 1: Just want to spend one half a minute here.

[1:00:11] Voice 1: Louise Bell was the chair during my time

[1:00:15] Voice 1: as a trustee on Gabriola.

[1:00:18] Voice 1: She was the chair on Gabriola.

[1:00:19] Voice 1: So in her spirit, I will share some thoughts.

[1:00:24] Voice 1: So thank you very much for this opportunity

[1:00:26] Voice 1: to share some brief comments.

[1:00:28] Voice 1: First, on the topic of ecosystem protection, I still must continue to express my disappointment that the trustees dropped the EP Zone 4 from the top priority list.

[1:00:39] Voice 1: Planner Cox did exemplary work on creating that bylaw for the zoning and produced a very strong report recommending how to move forward.

[1:00:48] Voice 1: forward. Second, I would like to echo some sporadic requests that I've heard over the years from the

[1:00:55] Voice 1: public on the value of striking an environmental or ecosystem advisory commission. All types of

[1:01:02] Voice 1: applications could be referred to such a commission to provide community comments

[1:01:07] Voice 1: that specifically focus on the integrity of island ecosystems, especially through the lens of the

[1:01:14] Voice 1: climate emergency. And third, my third and final points are regarding the June 17 staff report

[1:01:22] Voice 1: on file 6500-20, the Gabriela Housing Options and Impacts Review Project, and especially looking at

[1:01:30] Voice 1: the options for the LTC to consider today on page 177. And I certainly appreciate the work of the

[1:01:37] Voice 1: Housing Matters Report, and whatever direction or action the trustees choose regarding the staff

[1:01:43] Voice 1: report. These are important conversations for our community. I certainly support a short-term

[1:01:50] Voice 1: focus and intent of options A, restricting short-term vacation rentals, and B, promoting

[1:01:55] Voice 1: voluntary dedication of densities. I'm really curious about this, the B, because interested

[1:02:02] Voice 1: to see how this may unfold and how it builds on the work of previous trustees and planners

[1:02:06] Voice 1: from past terms.

[1:02:08] Voice 1: Regarding C, the extent of the possible planning commission,

[1:02:12] Voice 1: I would like to hear more detail,

[1:02:14] Voice 1: and I know this will come up later on,

[1:02:17] Voice 1: clarifying the definition of a commission.

[1:02:19] Voice 1: And do you really mean commission as defined

[1:02:23] Voice 1: by the APC Bylaw 296?

[1:02:26] Voice 1: That seems quite prescribed and restrictive

[1:02:28] Voice 1: in its roles and responsibilities in relation to the LTC.

[1:02:32] Voice 1: So I would await more clarification

[1:02:35] Voice 1: what of a definition of a planning commission to do this kind of work. I certainly support the

[1:02:42] Voice 1: option of restricting subdivisions with an emphasis on addressing patterns of settlement

[1:02:48] Voice 1: and as an aside many trustees over the years have advocated for subdivision authority

[1:02:53] Voice 1: for the Islands Trust much like a tree cutting authority which would be extremely useful tools

[1:02:59] Voice 1: in managing local development and growth. Secondary, I'm almost getting there, secondary

[1:03:05] Voice 1: accommodation availability. There's probably no shortage of existing policies and regulations

[1:03:10] Voice 1: regarding secondary accommodation throughout the trust area to draw upon for inspiration and

[1:03:17] Voice 1: application. I kind of wonder though if a more relevant aspect to this option might be research

[1:03:24] Voice 1: and analysis on the lack of uptake or challenges on secondary accommodation when bylaws and

[1:03:31] Voice 1: regulations exist to permit them sometimes all the regulations and bylaws are there to permit

[1:03:38] Voice 1: them and they're still not very successful in in addressing housing and affordable housing

[1:03:43] Voice 1: stock so just wondering what that might look like if there could ever be a study

[1:03:48] Voice 1: from that angle and the appropriate the last item F appropriate flexible zoning you'll be happy to

[1:03:56] Voice 1: hear that I actually have no comments on this option because I don't actually really know what

[1:04:00] Voice 1: it means but look forward to clarification so in conclusion whatever direction or response to the

[1:04:07] Voice 1: staff report I believe in the trustees duty of care to look at all at the impacts of all

[1:04:13] Voice 1: all development, whether it is housing, affordable housing, transportation, waste management,

[1:04:19] Voice 1: ferry terminals, cannabis production, subdivisions, rezoning, with the priority on the integrity of

[1:04:25] Voice 1: the environment and Indigenous cultural heritage, which reflects the central importance of the

[1:04:30] Voice 1: climate emergency and the reconciliation declarations. And may I end with a brief

[1:04:35] Voice 1: reference to the drafting work of the Trust Policy Statement and my gratitude for the concept of a

[1:04:41] Voice 1: no compromise list replacing the term carrying capacity with the intent to prioritize and

[1:04:47] Voice 1: safeguard protected area networks, fresh water sustainability, a healthy marine environment,

[1:04:54] Voice 1: and Indigenous cultural heritage in all decision making across the trust area and perhaps

[1:05:00] Voice 1: biodiversity protection could be added to a no compromise list. Thank you very much for your time

[1:05:06] Voice 1: and for listening I appreciate it and thank you for the good work thank

[1:05:13] Trustee Rogers: you and we did receive

[1:05:14] Trustee Rogers: your email this or at least I did I assume everybody received your email this morning

[1:05:18] Trustee Rogers: well thank you uh I see Diane Dunsmore Farley's uh hand is still up are you wishing to speak in

[1:05:26] Trustee Rogers: the town hall and could

[1:05:29] Voice 16: we unmute her please hi no

[1:05:35] Voice 4: I'm fine I'll wait until we have the discussion

[1:05:38] Voice 4: at 2 o'clock.

[1:05:39] Trustee Rogers: Thank you. And Ms. Heatherington-Pierce, Nancy

[1:05:43] Voice 16: Heatherington-Pierce is next.

[1:05:58] Voice 16: Meet myself. Can you hear me now? Can. And

[1:06:01] Trustee Rogers: you can turn your camera on if you wish.

[1:06:04] Voice 10: All right. There we are. So thank you. So good morning. And I'm just speaking as the president

[1:06:12] Voice 10: of the Housing Society and just wanted to give you a little update, two quick little updates on

[1:06:17] Voice 10: on our rezoning application.

[1:06:19] Voice 10: I know it's not on the agenda today,

[1:06:21] Voice 10: that's why I'm just hoping I can provide these updates.

[1:06:27] Voice 10: So my first comment relates to my June 4th email

[1:06:31] Voice 10: to each of the trustees,

[1:06:33] Voice 10: saying that the Paisley Place project

[1:06:35] Voice 10: was not selected by BC Housing for funding this time around.

[1:06:41] Voice 10: So I wanna let you know that tomorrow afternoon,

[1:06:44] Voice 10: the board and our development consultant, Ian Scott,

[1:06:47] Voice 10: or having a debriefing meeting with bc housing they offered this in their letter of rejection

[1:06:55] Voice 10: and so we've certainly accepted and so at this meeting we hope to learn why we were not selected

[1:07:01] Voice 10: and where we can strengthen our application for their next round of funding which likely will be

[1:07:07] Voice 10: sometime next year so that's the first update and the second one is that relates to communications

[1:07:14] Voice 10: with the Sunaimit First Nation about the housing agreement

[1:07:18] Voice 10: since your March 4th meeting.

[1:07:21] Voice 10: So you'll recall at that meeting that you decided

[1:07:26] Voice 10: that further discussion of the housing agreement

[1:07:29] Voice 10: would be postponed until-

[1:07:32] Voice 10: Sorry,

[1:07:32] Trustee Rogers: Ms. Peers, I see Sonia Zubinich has her hand.

[1:07:35] Planner Zupanec: I'm really sorry to interrupt,

[1:07:37] Planner Zupanec: but because this is a post-public hearing,

[1:07:39] Planner Zupanec: I'm going to strongly recommend that these updates

[1:07:42] Planner Zupanec: Councillor Wendy Gaertner- dates be vetted through the planner prior to being shared with the LTC to make sure that we're not compromising your ability to give final reading to those bylaws when they're presented if any of this is considered new information that could influence your final decision.

[1:07:58] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Correct you're absolutely correct, and thank you for flagging that I, given that we had already received the notification about.

[1:08:06] Trustee Rogers: about yes so that would probably be wise as to whatever it is you want to update us on they

[1:08:13] Trustee Rogers: should probably go through the planner before to ensure that it doesn't amount to new information

[1:08:19] Voice 10: um thank you I thank you Sonia I'm sorry I didn't um I'm sorry I didn't think to um check with you

[1:08:25] Voice 10: so thank you for that no

[1:08:27] Planner Zupanec: it's okay you can work through Jamie with any updates that you want to

[1:08:30] Planner Zupanec: provide the LTC once you're post-public hearing it's just a very different process so I'm sorry

[1:08:34] Planner Zupanec: to interrupt you but

[1:08:35] Trustee Rogers: no no no no sorry i should have been alive to that given we are public

[1:08:40] Trustee Rogers: post public you sometimes lose track when it's been a month since the public yes well me too

[1:08:44] Voice 10: so thank you

[1:08:45] Trustee Rogers: okay thanks very

[1:08:46] Voice 16: much nice to see i i

[1:08:54] Trustee Rogers: i see no other hands up but i know that miss

[1:08:57] Trustee Rogers: i thought i heard uh toby elliott indicate that she wished are there now her hands up

[1:09:02] Voice 16: go ahead miss ellie you'll be able to

[1:09:10] Trustee Rogers: unmute yourself and turn your camera on

[1:09:12] Trustee Rogers: hi

[1:09:13] Voice 8: hello thank you chair rogers and uh i'll try to make this brief um i'd just like to speak to

[1:09:19] Voice 8: some of the criticism and the comments that have come in about the housing group recommendations

[1:09:27] Voice 8: report uh and yeah and report and the analysis that's been done and um i'm just concerned and

[1:09:35] Voice 8: wanted to bring it up as a point of discussion perhaps we could talk about it later whether

[1:09:38] Voice 8: trustees Langeries' analysis is signaling sort of an alignment with some public criticism that's

[1:09:47] Voice 8: come about the authority and the substantive research and the results of this report.

[1:09:55] Voice 8: And I'm quite concerned and because the letter of correspondence that you have from a former

[1:10:03] Voice 8: or trustee, Giselle Rudisher, it really is trying to discredit the work. And this has been an active

[1:10:11] Voice 8: sort of campaign on social media. And the fact that Trustee Langree's analysis

[1:10:19] Voice 8: goes along a lot of the same lines, to me signals to the public that there is a trustee who's taking

[1:10:26] Voice 8: sides in one interest group over another. And what I'd like to know is whether, well, I don't know if

[1:10:33] Voice 8: if this is right, but I just wanted to point to the fact that the three authors of the report

[1:10:37] Voice 8: are experienced researchers, two hold PhDs, all three hold master's degrees. One teaches at UBC.

[1:10:46] Voice 8: Research is their area of expertise. And so while I'm not claiming that the report and the

[1:10:53] Voice 8: recommendations that are made are perfect or without error, there is a lot of reason to trust

[1:11:00] Voice 8: in the work that has been done and they have always been open to questions and to concerns

[1:11:06] Voice 8: and to have this just presented in a public forum I think was really not a it wasn't really fair

[1:11:15] Voice 8: to the volunteers who put in so much time to this work so um uh there's we've got a lot to back up

[1:11:24] Voice 8: why all the qualitative comments were not made public raw qualitative data of this type is not

[1:11:31] Voice 8: typically shared publicly if you had hired a consultancy firm to take out every single

[1:11:36] Voice 8: identifier and ensure the anonymity of every comment that would have been done and that would

[1:11:43] Voice 8: have been an appropriate process but what we had was a group of volunteers who tried to produce this

[1:11:47] Voice 8: in under six weeks, which was incredible, and they could not represent 2,000 comments,

[1:11:55] Voice 8: which Ms. Rudisher seems to think should have been done. So I see in other reports across the

[1:12:01] Voice 8: trust area, when you've hired independent consultancy firms, they can do that work.

[1:12:06] Voice 8: That was not the ask here. And so the work that has been done was analyzed and representative

[1:12:13] Voice 8: representative comments were made it's not to say that there isn't bias we are all humans and as

[1:12:19] Voice 8: researchers you recognize where you have bias and that is the duty of a researcher so i just i'll

[1:12:25] Voice 8: finish it there but i'm just i just want to say that the authors stand by their work and they are

[1:12:30] Voice 8: experienced credentialed researchers and i think it was massively uh unfair for for you trustee

[1:12:38] Voice 8: Langer is not to actually come to us and say here are my questions which is what you said you were

[1:12:43] Voice 8: going to do back in April okay thank you so

[1:12:49] Trustee Rogers: um trustee Langer I say we can either address this

[1:12:53] Trustee Rogers: now or you can address it when we get to it on the agenda yeah

[1:12:57] Voice 13: I can address it now to some degree

[1:12:59] Voice 13: and because I did an analysis quite a while ago I said I had problems with understanding the

[1:13:06] Voice 13: the report itself and I said I would do an analysis and I did do it it took a long time

[1:13:11] Voice 13: took a lot longer and just because some of my conclusions may represent replicate what others

[1:13:17] Voice 13: say doesn't mean that it's I'm just speaking for somebody else it is my analysis based on what I

[1:13:24] Voice 13: read and the critique of it I mean that's we we need to critique what we see I do that with all

[1:13:29] Voice 13: documents whether it's an application for a development variance permits or whatever I look

[1:13:34] Voice 13: I critique it.

[1:13:35] Voice 13: And that's our role.

[1:13:36] Voice 13: Our role is not to just accept recommendations without really looking at it carefully.

[1:13:42] Voice 13: So I don't agree with the fact that I am aligned with somebody.

[1:13:47] Voice 13: It's my own views based on what I read and my concerns.

[1:13:52] Voice 13: and i did also there was an email received uh that we trusted received saying from yourself

[1:13:59] Voice 13: to be that it you didn't want to have a discussion internally you wanted to have it brought to the

[1:14:07] Voice 13: trust committee and this is in response to another email uh so i took that to mean you

[1:14:13] Voice 13: would prefer to have a discussion at the trust meeting anyway so that i

[1:14:17] Trustee Rogers: don't really want to

[1:14:18] Trustee Rogers: get into a debate about that i think we've had the point of view that they didn't appreciate

[1:14:21] Trustee Rogers: I appreciate the criticism and the way it was handled

[1:14:24] Trustee Rogers: and you've given your reasons

[1:14:26] Trustee Rogers: for why you did it the way you did it.

[1:14:29] Trustee Rogers: So we can talk about that more when we get to the document

[1:14:34] Trustee Rogers: that's in our local trust committee pack agenda.

[1:14:39] Trustee Rogers: So thank you for, I think we'll just leave it there for now

[1:14:42] Trustee Rogers: unless you wish to add any more to that trustee.

[1:14:47] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I see no other hands up for town hall.

[1:14:50] Trustee Rogers: all appreciate the comments of everyone involved and we'll move out of town hall and into our and

[1:14:58] Trustee Rogers: then to our business agenda thank you very much so the next item on the agenda are the minutes

[1:15:04] Trustee Rogers: which are page four of the agendas and do either of the trustees have any concerns or

[1:15:10] Trustee Rogers: changes they wish to make to the minutes from may the 13th yes trustee andre yeah just

[1:15:18] Voice 13: Just in the two sections, let me find it here, on page eight, where it says had a conflict of interest, I said had a potential conflict of interest.

[1:15:33] Voice 13: This is under section nine, the introductory paragraph.

[1:15:37] Voice 13: And then later on in section 11.2, the same thing.

[1:15:43] Voice 13: It's a repeat, basically, of that statement.

[1:15:46] Voice 13: Right.

[1:15:47] Trustee Rogers: So you declared a potential conflict. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:15:49] Trustee Rogers: So if we could make that change, that would, I agree. That's what you said. So anything else from either of the trustees related to the minutes?

[1:15:59] Trustee Rogers: so if we can amend the minutes to read that way and the dean that would be great and um

[1:16:06] Trustee Rogers: and uh other than that we'll take the the minutes adopted as amended uh there's there is a

[1:16:15] Trustee Rogers: resolution without meeting which was which is here for information of the public and uh our

[1:16:22] Trustee Rogers: reminder of ourselves um related to i believe it's sorry i'm still looking at the one yes the

[1:16:29] Trustee Rogers: the PAGES resort.

[1:16:36] Trustee Rogers: So that's simply here for our information

[1:16:39] Trustee Rogers: unless anybody has anything they'd like to say about it.

[1:16:43] Trustee Rogers: And then we have, there are no APC minutes

[1:16:45] Trustee Rogers: and then we have the follow-up action list.

[1:16:49] Trustee Rogers: So I turn to the, I'm going to guess

[1:16:53] Trustee Rogers: unless the planner has something they wish to flag for us.

[1:16:57] Trustee Rogers: Do you wish to flag something for us?

[1:16:58] Trustee Rogers: Then are there questions from the trustees

[1:16:59] Trustee Rogers: regarding the follow-up action.

[1:17:05] Voice 16: I have none,

[1:17:07] Trustee Rogers: do either of you?

[1:17:08] Trustee Rogers: No, thank you.

[1:17:10] Trustee Rogers: Then we'll take that as it is.

[1:17:13] Trustee Rogers: And then we're now, we've done the public hearing.

[1:17:17] Trustee Rogers: So we're into applications, referrals and bylaws.

[1:17:22] Trustee Rogers: So the first item on the agenda then is on page 19,

[1:17:28] Trustee Rogers: which is the Pages Resort and Marina.

[1:17:31] Trustee Rogers: I thought I saw someone from the applicant here earlier.

[1:17:37] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure if there's anybody

[1:17:38] Trustee Rogers: who wishes to be part of the conversation,

[1:17:42] Trustee Rogers: but who's presenting this?

[1:17:43] Trustee Rogers: Is it going to be you Theresa?

[1:17:47] Trustee Rogers: Okay, go ahead.

[1:17:49] Voice 5: Great, thanks.

[1:17:50] Voice 5: So I think I can just keep things brief today.

[1:17:53] Voice 5: The LTC is being asked to consider third reading

[1:17:57] Voice 5: of bylaw 309, which proposes to add a new permitted use

[1:18:01] Voice 5: of retail sale of liquor and other alcoholic goods on the Pages Resort and Marina property

[1:18:08] Voice 5: at 3350 Coast Road. Given that the proposed bylaw received first and second reading at the previous

[1:18:16] Voice 5: LTC meeting and that it was decided not to send out the proposed bylaw for referrals

[1:18:21] Voice 5: and that the public hearing requirement has been waived by the LTC and through public notice,

[1:18:28] Voice 5: staff are recommending that the proposed bylaw be given third reading today and that the ltc

[1:18:34] Voice 5: request staff to forward the proposed bylaw to the islands trust executive committee for approval

[1:18:40] Voice 5: subject to concurrence with these recommendations staff will forward the proposed bylaw to the ec

[1:18:48] Voice 5: and staff have confirmed that this bylaw should be able to make it onto the ec agenda for next

[1:18:55] Voice 5: next Wednesday, June 23rd, if that's the direction the LTC goes in.

[1:19:01] Voice 5: Some next steps for this by-law.

[1:19:03] Voice 5: Following EC's approval, staff would return the by-law to the LTC

[1:19:07] Voice 5: to consider adopting the by-law, and they can do so electronically by RWM

[1:19:13] Voice 5: in order to further expedite the by-law amendment process in this case,

[1:19:18] Voice 5: which was the wish of the LTC.

[1:19:22] Voice 5: Thanks very much.

[1:19:23] Voice 5: I can address any comments you have and Gloria Hatfield's applicant is on the attendee list.

[1:19:29] Trustee Rogers: Thank you. My only question is beyond, I know we had the one letter that addressed this

[1:19:37] Trustee Rogers: from Mr. Thompson that's in our correspondence. Was there any other public comment that we

[1:19:43] Trustee Rogers: received at all? I know we had the earlier letters of support when we gave it the first

[1:19:48] Trustee Rogers: second. Anything

[1:19:49] Trustee Rogers: else? I didn't see anything in the package.

[1:19:51] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[1:19:51] Voice 5: anything else that we've received to date will be on the website okay

[1:19:56] Trustee Rogers: on the website

[1:19:59] Trustee Rogers: okay questions from trustees for the planner yeah trustee luggers

[1:20:05] Voice 13: yeah no i've got no question i

[1:20:07] Voice 13: think this uh i'm in support of this application and moving this forward any

[1:20:12] Trustee Rogers: questions trustee

[1:20:13] Trustee Rogers: culver uh no not at this time okay does anybody wish to make a motion okay

[1:20:21] Voice 13: i'll do that um i

[1:20:23] Voice 13: Mayor Mrakas, I moved that the Gabriel island local trust committee bylaw number 309 cited this Gabriel island land use bylaw 1999 amendment number one 2021 be read a third time.

[1:20:35] Voice 13: Mayor

[1:20:36] Trustee Rogers: Mrakas, Seconded Kate any any discussion from either the trustees and i'm sorry miss natural I haven't given you an opportunity to speak, but we were going to approve, I think we're going to pass these motions so i'll give you, I should probably ask you if.

[1:20:53] Trustee Rogers: if the applicant wishes to say anything.

[1:20:56] Trustee Rogers: I don't see your hand up, so I'm going to assume not.

[1:21:01] Trustee Rogers: So I'll call the vote, all in favor?

[1:21:04] Trustee Rogers: In favor.

[1:21:05] Trustee Rogers: Let's get three votes, thank you very much.

[1:21:07] Trustee Rogers: And does someone want to make a second motion?

[1:21:10] Trustee Colbourne: I'll do the second one,

[1:21:11] Trustee Colbourne: that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[1:21:13] Trustee Colbourne: By-law number 309 cited as Gabriel Island Land Use By-law

[1:21:17] Trustee Colbourne: 1999, Amendment number 1, 2021,

[1:21:20] Trustee Colbourne: before to the Secretary of the Islands Trust

[1:21:22] Trustee Colbourne: for approval by the executive committee is

[1:21:25] Trustee Rogers: there a seconder that's seconded uh any discussion if not

[1:21:28] Trustee Rogers: i'll call the vote all in favor so that again passes unanimously thank you very much for the

[1:21:33] Trustee Rogers: report um yes indeed uh we do have an executive committee meeting next wednesday the 23rd i'm

[1:21:41] Trustee Rogers: quite certain it will be on our agenda uh and um i guess the plan is then once that's approved

[1:21:48] Trustee Rogers: bring adoption potential adoption for by rwm uh so miss adfield or uh if if you have any questions

[1:21:57] Trustee Rogers: or comments um please raise your hand yes you do so could we unmute miss adfield i'm sorry for not

[1:22:03] Trustee Rogers: promoting you earlier but i i'm just trying to move through you

[1:22:12] Voice 16: should be able to unmute yourself

[1:22:13] Voice 16: now and

[1:22:15] Voice 1: all i wanted to say very quickly again thank you for all that you do dot just on this

[1:22:19] Voice 1: and i appreciate the planner's help as well thank you

[1:22:21] Trustee Rogers: okay take care um all right that's that then

[1:22:26] Trustee Rogers: we're on to uh 9.2 uh thank you uh and uh that's the consideration of further readings uh of the

[1:22:37] Trustee Rogers: bylaw number 303 um rpm cower uh so i guess just in short form you've advised us that you've had

[1:22:47] Trustee Rogers: had some discussions with the, with the, um, Sinema Cruz asked for a little bit more time

[1:22:53] Trustee Rogers: to consult with you. And I guess, uh, the options we always have after a public hearing is to do

[1:22:59] Trustee Rogers: nothing, uh, or to give it third reading or to, um, or, or to, you know, decline to pursue it.

[1:23:06] Trustee Rogers: So, um, I mean, I guess, I guess it sounds to me like the recommendation might be to not do

[1:23:13] Trustee Rogers: anything further today so i turn to the trustees as does anybody is everybody what's your thoughts

[1:23:18] Trustee Rogers: on that trustee cole uh

[1:23:21] Trustee Colbourne: yeah i'm i'm fine with that i'd like to um i know that there's some

[1:23:25] Trustee Colbourne: concurrence there so we can have this discussion and and um move this along one way or the other

[1:23:32] Trustee Colbourne: yeah yeah

[1:23:33] Voice 13: i'm also in favor of not doing anything at this point letting staff uh continue the

[1:23:38] Voice 13: a dialogue with Sunemo perfect

[1:23:41] Trustee Rogers: so I don't think we need a motion to that effect we just don't do

[1:23:44] Trustee Rogers: anything with it so that if everybody is in concurrence if there's nobody that we should

[1:23:48] Trustee Rogers: move forward we'll we'll just move on to the next item on the agenda thank you very much

[1:23:54] Trustee Rogers: um and this will come back to our agenda when staff feels it's ready to come back and

[1:24:01] Trustee Rogers: um I guess we'll have to figure out how to deal with it all right so the next item on the agenda

[1:24:05] Trustee Rogers: And I guess my question is, Planner Cox, is the Silver Bay Resort and Marina development permit, is there anybody in the attendance that's representative of the Silver Bay? Who's that?

[1:24:20] Voice 26: Yes, so that is Mr. Yari Eichner, who's the archaeological consultant on the project and is going to be representing the proponent.

[1:24:29] Voice 26: all right so okay

[1:24:30] Trustee Rogers: that's fine so could we um uh promote Mr. Eichner and Mr. Eichner what will

[1:24:37] Trustee Rogers: occur is is there's an application here for an old improvement there's a staff report we'll have the

[1:24:43] Trustee Rogers: report um presented to the trustees the trustees will ask questions any questions they might have

[1:24:50] Trustee Rogers: of the uh uh of the planner uh and then I'll give you an opportunity to address the staff report if

[1:24:57] Trustee Rogers: you wish. And, and at that point, and then at that point, the

[1:25:04] Trustee Rogers: trustees may have questions may have questions for you as well.

[1:25:08] Trustee Rogers: So we'll leave it. We'll come to you in a bit. Okay. Nice. Nice

[1:25:12] Trustee Rogers: to meet you. Over to you.

[1:25:14] Voice 26: Okay, I'm just checking that the staff report is visible. We've

[1:25:19] Voice 26: switched screen shares. So it is now. Okay, good. Thank you. So

[1:25:23] Voice 26: So, good day. This is development permit application for Silver Bay Resort and Marina in the south end, and these two figures here show the property, the upland portion here, and on the right hand side of your screen, the blue polygon is the development permit area for the flat top islands area.

[1:25:47] Voice 26: So that's what this application pertains to the DP is required for works below the natural boundary here so in the development permit area in blue.

[1:25:58] Voice 26: Those works include the demolition of the storage deck piles which are below the natural boundary here.

[1:26:09] Voice 26: I don't know if you can see my pointer, but there's a portion of that storage deck that's below the natural boundary in the DP.

[1:26:17] Voice 26: as is the shipyard building, which is proposed to be deconstructed, demolished,

[1:26:25] Voice 26: and the travel lift pier here, which is no longer safe for use per Transport Canada.

[1:26:34] Voice 26: There'll also be some reconstruction, reconfiguration of the rip-wrap area here,

[1:26:43] Voice 26: here, so that will remain, but the actual travel of pier and bulwarks will be removed.

[1:26:51] Voice 26: So staff considers the application to meet the guidelines for this DPA through the environmental

[1:26:59] Voice 26: report that was done by HIMERA, as well as, you know, and included in the DP conditions

[1:27:12] Voice 26: So conditions to the permit are that all works will be authorized under the Heritage Conservation Act, so that's the ARC branch, by FCO, formerly DFO, Fisheries and Oceans Canada.

[1:27:27] Voice 26: The engagement with Sninamook Nation to their satisfaction, and the employment of a site monitor from the Nation also.

[1:27:35] Voice 26: And that is per this dynamic letter which we received in response to our referral to them on this project so they've expressed no objection to the project, provided that that those conditions, the requested conditions are met so those are included in this

[1:27:53] Voice 26: permit, and the letter of course is attached to this report.

[1:27:57] Voice 26: And then the whole thing is subject to so for environmental protection of the marine environment and so forth, the whole permit is subject to the mitigation measures identified in the environmental report.

[1:28:13] Voice 26: So I think I can leave it there and take any questions at this time.

[1:28:20] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:28:21] Trustee Rogers: Sorry about background noise someone's emptying containers outside my window. Anyway,

[1:28:27] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Anyway, a trustees what i'd like to do is get you to ask any questions you might have for the planner at this time we'll get to your sort of your discussion items as we go on, but questions for the plan yeah but i'm sorry trustee colon.

[1:28:44] Trustee Rogers: um

[1:28:45] Trustee Colbourne: i just wanted uh there on page 32 the draft permit itself item 3.4 employment of a site

[1:28:55] Trustee Colbourne: monitor at the from sunima first nation i believe there's a grammatical area there error there and

[1:29:01] Trustee Colbourne: i just wanted to make sure that that's worded in a way that um that represents the the arrangement

[1:29:09] Voice 26: Pardon me.

[1:29:12] Trustee Colbourne: Page 32, item 3.4, employment of a site monitor at the from.

[1:29:18] Trustee Colbourne: So I believe it just should be from First Nation at the expense of the applicant.

[1:29:22] Trustee Colbourne: Where's

[1:29:22] Trustee Rogers: the actual permit, actually?

[1:29:24] Trustee Rogers: That's the staff report that reflects the conditions.

[1:29:28] Trustee Rogers: I'm sorry.

[1:29:28] Trustee Rogers: You should know where the actual permit is.

[1:29:31] Voice 26: So up on the screen, you should see the draft permit now.

[1:29:35] Voice 26: and the trustees referring to item of the permit section 3.4

[1:29:42] Voice 26: um right yep section 3.4 so this clause right here and that is correct it's a grammatical

[1:29:53] Voice 26: error which can be fixed in the final version of the permit okay

[1:29:57] Trustee Colbourne: and i just wondered um will the

[1:30:00] Trustee Colbourne: monitoring, has it been arranged or is it understood? Will the monitoring take place

[1:30:04] Trustee Colbourne: throughout the project? And so that's the question specifically in terms of Sonamik First Nation,

[1:30:10] Trustee Colbourne: but also there is a need within the report to have monitoring take place throughout. And I just

[1:30:19] Trustee Colbourne: wanted to make sure that that will in fact be the case. And I was wondering how that is followed up

[1:30:26] Trustee Colbourne: on so

[1:30:27] Voice 26: so staff is working with um actually this has been a um um i will say a good process um it's

[1:30:37] Voice 26: sort of um this is a new um era of of you know um trying to work collaboratively together cross

[1:30:45] Voice 26: jurisdictionally with other agencies and um you know including the arc branch um dfo the province

[1:30:53] Voice 26: province, the nation, you know, this has been quite good, especially with the direction of the SIPA. And so, you know, it's unknown at this point exactly what's the name would require or desire, but staff is in contact with all parties, and and we'll work to facilitate that, whatever, whatever that looks like.

[1:31:11] Voice 26: Sinema hasn't given specific direction on the temporal sort of aspect, like the, you know, the duration of time that they would like a site monitor on site, but, you know, we're hoping to work with them.

[1:31:23] Voice 26: So at this stage, that's an unknown, but certainly the applicant has demonstrated all willingness to be engaged with the nation and staff in that conversation.

[1:31:35] Voice 26: Does that address your question?

[1:31:37] Trustee Colbourne: And just to be clear, SIPA is the Senior Governmental Policy Advisor.

[1:31:41] Trustee Colbourne: yeah lisa wilcox an employee of the trust um so the second part of my question was in terms of

[1:31:46] Trustee Colbourne: monitoring uh for the other factors involved in this and some some of it is is i really learned

[1:31:51] Trustee Colbourne: a lot in this uh that if if uh a sea creature comes into the area that you know work is stopped

[1:31:58] Trustee Colbourne: and there's a lot of of monitoring needs to take place and and obviously that's in the specifics

[1:32:04] Trustee Colbourne: of this permanent in in the um in the report it it it seems to be that that monitoring will be there

[1:32:10] Trustee Colbourne: they're ever present throughout the duration of the project, I was wondering how long they

[1:32:13] Trustee Colbourne: anticipate this work to last, and whether or not, and I just want to make absolutely sure that that

[1:32:19] Trustee Colbourne: will, that this project will be monitored throughout, because it's a very sensitive area

[1:32:26] Trustee Colbourne: that's obviously prone to change from hour to hour. So, yeah,

[1:32:32] Voice 26: excellent question. So,

[1:32:34] Voice 26: So, because this is all below the natural boundary, essentially, they're subject to Department of Fisheries oversight as well, right?

[1:32:45] Voice 26: So, there's the, pardon me while I just find the fisheries letter here.

[1:32:49] Voice 26: I'm sorry to hurt your eyes scrolling.

[1:32:53] Voice 26: Where is it?

[1:32:55] Voice 26: The attachment.

[1:32:56] Voice 26: They have a window, and Fisheries and Oceans Canada has given them, you know,

[1:33:03] Voice 26: You can't do work that's in contravention, basically, of the Act.

[1:33:07] Voice 26: And so that's essentially how that works.

[1:33:11] Voice 26: It's provincial and federal oversight in that way.

[1:33:14] Voice 26: It starts at page 86.

[1:33:16] Voice 26: Okay, thank you.

[1:33:17] Voice 26: It's the last item on the...

[1:33:20] Voice 26: There we go. Pardon me for that.

[1:33:26] Voice 26: So that's essentially accomplished through the requirements of fisheries,

[1:33:31] Voice 26: that oversight, as well as, you know, what the, you know, Fisheries and Oceans Canada has accepted

[1:33:39] Voice 26: the environmental report and the measures proposed there to mitigate impact to the marine

[1:33:46] Voice 26: environment. And so the whole project is subject, the works included in this particular

[1:33:52] Voice 26: demolition project are all subject to FCO's stipulations here.

[1:34:04] Trustee Rogers: So, Trustee Colburn, does that answer your question?

[1:34:07] Trustee Rogers: Or would you like to, I mean, I heard you ask what the timing of this was, and maybe

[1:34:13] Trustee Rogers: that's a better question for the applicant.

[1:34:15] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, perhaps.

[1:34:17] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[1:34:17] Trustee Rogers: And

[1:34:18] Trustee Colbourne: maybe I'll just ask one more technical question here.

[1:34:20] Trustee Colbourne: Sure, absolutely.

[1:34:21] Trustee Rogers: yeah okay

[1:34:22] Trustee Colbourne: um it's on page 46 uh 2.2.3 uh i'm happy to hear that we're removing uh creosote

[1:34:32] Trustee Colbourne: um and and timber um but this second bullet uh in marina warfhead repairs for the replacement

[1:34:41] Trustee Colbourne: of nine sections of creosote timber stringers and pile caps does that mean that you're taking

[1:34:45] Trustee Colbourne: creosote timbers out and then putting them in or are you replacing them with with a less toxic

[1:34:52] Trustee Colbourne: substance they're

[1:34:53] Voice 26: required to install steel piles as far as staff is aware and the applicant can

[1:34:58] Voice 26: speak to that but 30 uh pardon me page 34 you said page

[1:35:03] Trustee Colbourne: 46 page 7 of the report of the report

[1:35:07] Trustee Colbourne: page 46 of the agenda package it's it's worded replacement of nine sections of creosote timber

[1:35:13] Trustee Colbourne: brick sessions and pile caps so it you know it's six timber piles like for like but

[1:35:21] Voice 26: of a different

[1:35:21] Voice 26: material so the it's as far as staff understands it's the removal of the creosote piles with

[1:35:26] Voice 26: reinstallation of steel piles okay that's that

[1:35:29] Voice 26: doesn't come

[1:35:30] Trustee Colbourne: yeah that that's that's not clear

[1:35:32] Trustee Colbourne: enough uh within that expectation because it especially with like for like um six so the

[1:35:47] Voice 26: the applicant could speak to this i think this is a good question for the applicant thank you

[1:35:52] Trustee Rogers: so that's so we'll there's a couple of questions for the applicant but we'll ask uh trustee long

[1:35:57] Trustee Rogers: guys if you have any questions for the planner before we turn to the apple yeah

[1:36:01] Voice 13: actually i do

[1:36:02] Voice 13: i have one question regarding the site monitor with the development permit and it says that

[1:36:08] Voice 13: they'll have a site monitor what happens if there's an issue arises where the site monitor

[1:36:14] Voice 13: has a concern about what's happening which

[1:36:17] Voice 26: site monitor are you referring yeah

[1:36:18] Voice 13: first nation site

[1:36:19] Voice 13: monitor uh

[1:36:23] Voice 26: well presumably um you know that's so there's there's a there's an archaeological

[1:36:31] Voice 26: branch component to this as well right okay so they if

[1:36:35] Voice 26: there

[1:36:37] Voice 13: was a contravention

[1:36:38] Voice 26: if there was a

[1:36:39] Voice 26: yeah the that's the coordination piece right um if if um you know if the nation has concerns

[1:36:46] Voice 26: presumably there'd be this coordination piece that's the intent the nation you know the the

[1:36:54] Voice 26: nation has been so the applicant has been in contact with the nation as well as the nation

[1:37:00] Voice 26: has been referred this you know the archaeological piece with the with the heritage branch

[1:37:07] Voice 26: this project has been referred to snanamik via that process as well and so snanamik is in contact

[1:37:14] Voice 26: with the ARC branch as well over this.

[1:37:16] Voice 26: So presumably if the site monitor had concerns,

[1:37:18] Voice 26: they would notify the ARC branch as well.

[1:37:20] Voice 26: And that would be the oversight.

[1:37:21] Voice 26: Eyeless Trust, you know, essentially in this, you know,

[1:37:26] Voice 26: we're a bit of a coordination role.

[1:37:29] Voice 26: We don't, you know, yeah.

[1:37:31] Voice 26: So-

[1:37:32] Voice 26: I

[1:37:32] Voice 13: just wanted to clarify,

[1:37:33] Voice 13: they would also contact fisheries as well

[1:37:36] Voice 13: if there was an issue around that, so.

[1:37:38] Voice 13: Yeah,

[1:37:38] Voice 26: fisheries would be involved if there was a, yeah.

[1:37:41] Voice 26: Yeah.

[1:37:41] Voice 26: yeah yeah

[1:37:41] Voice 13: the other point is at the development permit area it wasn't mentioned but it talks

[1:37:48] Voice 13: about two properties and i think it should just be one property at the uh yeah

[1:37:53] Voice 26: so this is a there

[1:37:55] Voice 26: is some question so the upland let me go back to the beginning of the report here just there's only

[1:38:01] Voice 13: one pid cited yeah

[1:38:03] Voice 26: so there's the upland the upland property here um so from land titles

[1:38:13] Voice 26: so the way that this um pardon me will i just okay so these these two areas are you know the

[1:38:25] Voice 26: whole area um i don't know if you can see my cursor i could change the color but these

[1:38:32] Voice 26: these are essentially fill areas they're they're historic they were never part of you know i'm it's

[1:38:38] Voice 26: i'm not exactly sure of the dates of this but over the years the travel lift area

[1:38:45] Voice 26: here and also portions of this area are actually fill right they were never really part of that so

[1:38:54] Voice 26: there's a there there's a question as to like these two these are water leases and and there's

[1:39:00] Voice 26: um the way that the permit would be registered at land titles i believe but this is something for

[1:39:05] Voice 26: for us to figure out what if the permit is granted and and the uh and the registration

[1:39:11] Voice 26: takes place at land titles how that's exactly registered with us just to the upland property

[1:39:16] Voice 26: but but suffice it to say that these these areas here um in the lease areas are are are fill but

[1:39:23] Voice 26: they're also in the crown area right their crown their water water crown water areas so um it i

[1:39:32] Voice 26: I appreciate that there is perhaps a question as to whether this actually

[1:39:35] Voice 26: belongs, you know, to the title or not. And,

[1:39:39] Voice 26: and that's something that, you know, staff could figure out, but yes,

[1:39:42] Voice 26: the permit should, should read that. It relates to the upland PID.

[1:39:46] Voice 26: The one

[1:39:47] Voice 26: PID.

[1:39:48] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[1:39:49] Trustee Rogers: But I think trustee Langeris's point is that on page 32 at the beginning,

[1:39:55] Trustee Rogers: it says this permit applies to both properties described below.

[1:40:00] Trustee Rogers: and then it only lists one property i think

[1:40:03] Voice 26: that was your

[1:40:04] Trustee Rogers: point isn't it trustee

[1:40:05] Trustee Rogers: yes it was

[1:40:07] Voice 26: so if that was then that's a that's uh yes that's an error so again we can

[1:40:12] Trustee Rogers: just say

[1:40:13] Trustee Rogers: to the property described below correct

[1:40:16] Voice 26: so that error and the error that trustee uh colburn

[1:40:20] Voice 26: pointed out would should be uh fixed in the final version of the permit yes

[1:40:24] Trustee Rogers: you don't need us to

[1:40:25] Trustee Rogers: pass a motion to amend those or do you um i mean would it be helpful because we can i'm not sure

[1:40:34] Voice 26: that that's necessary perhaps either rpm cower or i could could weigh in on that i think that

[1:40:42] Voice 26: the um i think i think it's i think it's clear um and i see i think it's clear let me think yeah

[1:40:53] Voice 26: Yeah, yeah, I

[1:40:54] Trustee Rogers: see RPM tower has come on briefly just on this technical thing about the sort of the type, the grammatical corrections do we need you need a motion for that.

[1:41:03] Voice 19: No.

[1:41:04] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[1:41:04] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[1:41:05] Voice 19: Okay, so

[1:41:06] Trustee Rogers: if there's no other questions. Yes, trust.

[1:41:08] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, I did

[1:41:09] Voice 19: have two more questions.

[1:41:10] Voice 19: Okay, that's fine. No, taking time is the big application.

[1:41:14] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, I was so we're talking about First Nations heritage but I'm also wondering under the Heritage Act whether or not any of the buildings or structures are registered.

[1:41:21] Trustee Colbourne: I've had discussions with community members and members of the museum, of course, about the shipbuilding history and culture.

[1:41:31] Trustee Colbourne: And I'm just wondering if any of these have been formally registered, if that's been checked or anything.

[1:41:36] Voice 26: Well, the question would be registered with who. There's certainly no community heritage register on Gabriola at the moment.

[1:41:43] Voice 26: Now, if it was a national thing, perhaps, it's not to staff's knowledge.

[1:41:49] Voice 26: Okay, the heritage branch, you know, has this has this application before them so presumably and that could be something that staff could follow up with to double check with the heritage branch but certainly, you know, there's no, there's no known registration of

[1:42:09] Voice 26: of that building because the store's deck

[1:42:13] Voice 26: and those piers are, that's what that is.

[1:42:16] Voice 26: It's a deck essentially.

[1:42:17] Voice 26: And the travel lift is a piece of equipment.

[1:42:21] Voice 26: I appreciate that the boat yard or shipyard building

[1:42:26] Voice 26: is probably the concern here.

[1:42:30] Voice 26: And certainly staff could follow up with that.

[1:42:31] Voice 26: But at this time, we're not aware of that being registered

[1:42:35] Voice 26: or protected under the Heritage Conservation Act

[1:42:39] Voice 26: or any other registry okay

[1:42:43] Trustee Colbourne: i haven't heard from the community members whether or not they'd

[1:42:45] Trustee Colbourne: advanced that or they were asking some questions about that so you know there may not have reached

[1:42:49] Trustee Colbourne: the official stage of the community register there's

[1:42:51] Voice 26: a lot of there's a fair bit of discussion

[1:42:52] Voice 26: about that that yeah that that we've also heard through inquiries and so forth um there's no

[1:42:58] Voice 26: there's no heritage uh you know development permit area there or anything so that's a um

[1:43:06] Voice 26: difficult there's you know

[1:43:07] Voice 26: that's yeah the

[1:43:09] Trustee Colbourne: provision of water for this site um i know

[1:43:11] Trustee Colbourne: comes from a secondary lot a residential zone lot and uh i you know i think there's that's kind of a

[1:43:17] Trustee Colbourne: standing um point of interest and i just wanted to ask where the provision of water for the

[1:43:24] Trustee Colbourne: activities that are going to take place is going to come from and whether or not it will still come

[1:43:27] Trustee Colbourne: from that residential law so

[1:43:29] Voice 26: this is not this this particular dp has nothing to do with the

[1:43:31] Voice 26: upland development it's simply the demolition and reconstruction of the the stuff in the natural

[1:43:36] Voice 26: boundary so that is an ongoing um discussion but the you know the um this is this what this

[1:43:45] Voice 26: is authorizing is not is not the upland um development whatever that might be yeah my

[1:43:52] Trustee Colbourne: question is around the use of water like because it does it does state that some water will need

[1:43:57] Trustee Colbourne: to be used throughout the process and not not just you know salt ocean water so i'm wondering where

[1:44:02] Trustee Colbourne: that water is going to come from because that is the that is the standing issue so perhaps that's

[1:44:07] Voice 26: a good question

[1:44:07] Voice 16: for the applicant okay

[1:44:11] Trustee Rogers: well that's three questions at least um for the apple gold and

[1:44:15] Trustee Rogers: i see planetary super ninjas popped in only

[1:44:21] Voice 16: to reiterate

[1:44:23] Planner Zupanec: that the marina does require the water

[1:44:26] Planner Zupanec: front portion does require water servicing so you are correct trustee colburn that there is

[1:44:31] Planner Zupanec: some water considerations in that regard it's not part of the development permit in this case

[1:44:36] Planner Zupanec: and as far as we understand the applicant has still working out the water licensing

[1:44:42] Planner Zupanec: for the well they have access to as well as potentially sourcing on-site water as well as

[1:44:50] Planner Zupanec: part of the redevelopment for the land-based portion which would come under a building permit

[1:44:54] Planner Zupanec: application or if they require a variance or anything that could be considered at that time

[1:45:00] Planner Zupanec: thanks

[1:45:03] Voice 26: thanks planners have been inside didn't wasn't quite sure what was possible to discuss

[1:45:10] Voice 26: about uh about that situation so thank you okay

[1:45:17] Trustee Rogers: i'm going to unless there's other questions for

[1:45:18] Trustee Rogers: the planner i'm going to turn to the applicant uh welcome mr i'm going to hope i don't wreck

[1:45:23] Trustee Rogers: your last name mr eichenar and um and uh ask you first of all if you have any comments related to

[1:45:31] Trustee Rogers: the staff report and uh welcome to hear those and also uh if you if you want to address the

[1:45:38] Trustee Rogers: any of the questions that have been raised by trustees please do great

[1:45:43] Voice 23: thank you very much

[1:45:45] Voice 23: uh good afternoon everybody thanks ian that was a great summary uh an introduction to the project

[1:45:51] Voice 23: um so i don't i don't think i have anything further to add to the summary but uh to

[1:45:58] Voice 23: to address some of the questions,

[1:45:59] Voice 23: and I may have missed a couple here.

[1:46:01] Voice 23: I think the first one was about the proposed schedule

[1:46:04] Voice 23: and environmental monitoring.

[1:46:07] Voice 23: So we are currently looking at utilizing

[1:46:10] Voice 23: the winter least risk window,

[1:46:12] Voice 23: that's the department of the DFO least risk window,

[1:46:16] Voice 23: which opens on December 1st and closes on February 15th.

[1:46:22] Voice 23: So we're currently working with the contractor

[1:46:24] Voice 23: to develop a schedule,

[1:46:26] Voice 23: but we can assume for now that we might need all of that time and I just want to

[1:46:32] Voice 23: make it clear that for every day of in-water work we will have a full-time

[1:46:38] Voice 23: environmental monitor on site that's in addition to the Sunamook monitor so that

[1:46:46] Voice 23: would be Hemera staff I think there was a related question about if there's an

[1:46:52] Voice 23: an incident, so the full-time environmental monitor

[1:46:58] Voice 23: has the power at any time to stop work.

[1:47:05] Voice 23: Does that address that question sufficiently?

[1:47:10] Trustee Rogers: I think the question was also about what if the heritage,

[1:47:13] Trustee Rogers: sorry, the shenanig monitor,

[1:47:15] Trustee Rogers: what authority do they have if there's a concern?

[1:47:20] Voice 23: I don't think that's clear yet.

[1:47:22] Voice 23: As Ian Cox mentioned, we are still in discussions

[1:47:25] Voice 23: with the Sunaimuk about how they would like to approach site visits and their portion of environmental monitoring and also archaeological monitoring.

[1:47:39] Voice 13: Yeah, I just want to add, I guess that's where the wording to the satisfaction of the Sunaimuk First Nation comes into play then in terms of that, in terms of the site monitor.

[1:47:49] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, yeah, that's the way I read it anyway.

[1:47:53] Trustee Rogers: way

[1:47:56] Voice 23: uh well i i think that we can probably say that uh this nanamic first monitor sorry their

[1:48:03] Voice 23: environmental monitor would also have uh power to stop work at any time but uh just to be clear

[1:48:09] Voice 23: they wouldn't be there on their own they would be with hemera's environmental monitor as well

[1:48:14] Voice 23: working together okay uh for the marina wharfhead question about the replacement of the six timber

[1:48:26] Voice 23: piles like for like I just had a quick look at our aquatics effects assessment

[1:48:30] Voice 23: report and I agree it is a bit unclear about if those piles and the other parts

[1:48:36] Voice 23: of that structure will be replaced with wooden or steel piles I had thought it

[1:48:46] Voice 23: was steel piles but it's not stated clearly there so I believe I need to

[1:48:50] Voice 23: follow up with uh with my team on that point okay

[1:49:01] Trustee Rogers: other questions from the trustees for the applicant

[1:49:04] Trustee Rogers: i think he's tried to address some of your questions uh just

[1:49:07] Trustee Colbourne: regarding water usage if

[1:49:09] Trustee Colbourne: there's a plan for on-site water usage and whether or not it's connected to the um to

[1:49:14] Trustee Colbourne: the residential block uh

[1:49:18] Voice 23: so that is not something that i um am aware of right now so again i will

[1:49:24] Voice 23: will need to connect with my team to discuss that.

[1:49:37] Trustee Rogers: Other questions for the applicant?

[1:49:39] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Longaris, do you have any?

[1:49:41] Voice 13: No, it was a good catch by Trustee Colburn on the pilings.

[1:49:46] Trustee Rogers: It is a good catch.

[1:49:47] Trustee Rogers: And I actually now wonder,

[1:49:50] Trustee Rogers: given that the applicant's representative

[1:49:52] Trustee Rogers: has actually indicated that they too think that's unclear

[1:49:55] Trustee Rogers: and that that report is intended to be attached

[1:49:59] Trustee Rogers: as a condition to the development permit,

[1:50:03] Trustee Rogers: how do we go about doing that do you have any suggestions about how we uh deal with that issue

[1:50:12] Trustee Rogers: in terms of ensuring that the understanding is clear that that the environmental report

[1:50:19] Trustee Rogers: is intended or the report the development permit intends to be granted on the basis that they would

[1:50:26] Trustee Rogers: be steel pilings instead of uh crafted timbers you have any suggestions about that i think that

[1:50:35] Voice 23: we can confirm if it's going to be timber piles or steel piles fairly quickly and

[1:50:44] Voice 23: amend the report would that work well

[1:50:47] Trustee Rogers: i was actually asking the planner because i heard

[1:50:49] Trustee Rogers: you acknowledge that and i i just i'm now talking about our internal process and so how we how we

[1:50:55] Trustee Rogers: make sure we get what we want in the development permit uh planner cox do you have any suggestions

[1:51:00] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[1:51:03] Voice 26: so i think that um you could either withhold a decision on the permit until such time as you

[1:51:09] Voice 26: receive more information you could do it that way i believe or uh you could issue the permit

[1:51:15] Voice 26: subject to receipt of um the amended environmental report stipulating you know whatever the ltc

[1:51:24] Voice 26: wishes to stipulate i believe um those those two options are there and maybe um um rpm cower could

[1:51:35] Voice 26: or island or island planner supernets yeah yeah

[1:51:39] Planner Zupanec: the last the last recommendation option that

[1:51:41] Planner Zupanec: planner cox is giving you is likely the if you have no other issues or concerns

[1:51:45] Planner Zupanec: so you just

[1:51:46] Trustee Rogers: you we could make this we could make the decision to issue it subject to amendment to

[1:51:52] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Who, though, is that what I understood that to be correct

[1:51:55] Planner Zupanec: that way there's no need for it to come back to the local trust committee staff is just checking off, but we did get the report, it meets that resolution requirements that permit can be issued and it's an administrative behind the scenes process.

[1:52:07] Planner Zupanec: Mayor Mrakas, But if there's other

[1:52:08] Planner Zupanec: concerns that you have an additional information and we'd recommend you defer to the July meeting.

[1:52:12] Planner Zupanec: Thanks.

[1:52:15] Trustee Colbourne: Because of the water issue, it's unclear to me the quantity of usage and where it's coming

[1:52:22] Trustee Colbourne: from. And so I'd want that question answered before. And that's not something I believe that

[1:52:27] Trustee Colbourne: can be done this way. Obviously, the steel pylons versus creosote could be something to subject. But

[1:52:33] Trustee Colbourne: I'm wondering if you're looking at that winter DFO timeline, whether or not there's a approval

[1:52:40] Trustee Colbourne: piece of this that has to come at a certain date whether or not there's any timelines or time

[1:52:44] Trustee Colbourne: pressures or deferring this to july when we can get more information on some of these technical

[1:52:49] Trustee Colbourne: matters okay

[1:52:52] Trustee Rogers: so so um i i i think we've gone into our discussion now which is fine because i i i

[1:53:00] Trustee Rogers: have a question uh for staff etc uh and planners lupin and she welcome to join us for planner

[1:53:07] Trustee Rogers: or proxy this is a development permit not a development variance permit and i i've read the

[1:53:17] Trustee Rogers: guidelines and my understanding always has been about development permits is that we have to we

[1:53:25] Trustee Rogers: can require people to meet those guidelines but uh and that's what this is all what the staff

[1:53:32] Trustee Rogers: report does but i i i'm unclear about what other consider what are what are different considerations

[1:53:38] Trustee Rogers: we could take into account um and in in exercising our discretion now i think we can ask for more

[1:53:46] Trustee Rogers: information uh but at the end of the day i think that uh you know we have to sort of exercise

[1:53:53] Trustee Rogers: we we i'm not sure what our what are the the limit of our ability to uh

[1:54:00] Trustee Rogers: to decide on a development permit is if something meets the guidelines that are

[1:54:05] Trustee Rogers: set out in the OCP and the language bylaw.

[1:54:08] Trustee Rogers: So that's a question, not a, not a statement.

[1:54:11] Voice 26: The LTC needs to either decide that it doesn't meet the guidelines or,

[1:54:17] Voice 26: and provide reasons why it doesn't,

[1:54:19] Voice 26: the application doesn't or decide that it does meet the guidelines and issue.

[1:54:22] Voice 26: You can, there is the option to wait for further,

[1:54:25] Voice 26: to request further information in the in the service in in trying to decide whether it meets

[1:54:31] Voice 26: the guidelines or not right but yeah so

[1:54:37] Trustee Rogers: i'm i'm if you if someone wants to make motion to ask for

[1:54:42] Trustee Rogers: information related to the water but i'm i'm having some challenge wondering and i know the

[1:54:48] Trustee Rogers: issue of which you speak and it's a problem and it's problematic but i'm trying to uh understand

[1:54:54] Trustee Rogers: understand how it meets the, it comes to our consideration as to whether a permit meets

[1:54:59] Trustee Rogers: the guidelines or not.

[1:55:17] Voice 16: I think that the

[1:55:20] Trustee Rogers: guidelines are in, I actually, did you, I don't know

[1:55:24] Trustee Rogers: if you extracted them in your staff report, I printed them off for the flat top area,

[1:55:27] Trustee Rogers: islands area. And it seemed to me that F4.2.3 and F4.2.5 were the relevant ones.

[1:55:37] Trustee Rogers: funds um yep

[1:55:41] Voice 26: so there's an attachment with with an analysis of how the application

[1:55:45] Voice 26: relates

[1:55:46] Voice 16: to the guy there they are

[1:55:47] Voice 26: there on page 84 of your right

[1:55:51] Voice 26: agenda package

[1:55:54] Voice 16: yeah so but

[1:56:02] Trustee Rogers: trusty colbert if you want to make a motion to ask for further information

[1:56:07] Trustee Rogers: um we can do that yes

[1:56:18] Trustee Colbourne: i'll make that motion um so i've been flipping around pages and i was just

[1:56:22] Trustee Colbourne: going through those guidelines as well and every time it switches on the screen i lose the page so

[1:56:27] Trustee Colbourne: um i

[1:56:30] Trustee Rogers: would look at 4.2.1 4.2.3 and 4.2.5 as the ones that are the most um relevant to the uh

[1:56:40] Trustee Rogers: the um the application for the development permit yeah

[1:56:45] Voice 15: and

[1:56:49] Trustee Rogers: we've gotten environmental impacts

[1:56:50] Trustee Rogers: impact assessment mitigation measures and I guess you might be able to put that issue into into that

[1:57:00] Trustee Rogers: section yeah so

[1:57:01] Trustee Colbourne: I I would I it's F 4.2.5 um environmental impacts and mitigation measures

[1:57:08] Trustee Colbourne: regarding water usage for the proposed work um that would be the rationale for requesting more

[1:57:16] Trustee Colbourne: more information and that's what i'm kind of looking for is that draft wording for the motion

[1:57:25] Trustee Colbourne: um which i believe will be in the staff report so

[1:57:32] Voice 26: i i would just um this isn't something that i have

[1:57:37] Voice 26: um this is just coming up here now but i'm looking at the wording of this guideline other than within

[1:57:46] Voice 26: in existing marine lease areas yeah so

[1:57:49] Voice 26: i feel like perhaps we should take a look at where those

[1:57:54] Voice 26: marine lease areas actually are because i believe the works that are taking place are actually

[1:58:03] Voice 26: within well certainly some of the work is within existing marine lease areas but

[1:58:08] Trustee Colbourne: the project itself

[1:58:09] Trustee Colbourne: will be based on the land-based

[1:58:10] Voice 26: areas right no uh this not that not the works that are proposed

[1:58:16] Voice 26: under this dp the upland oh sorry but

[1:58:21] Trustee Colbourne: i mean i mean the the process of doing the work itself

[1:58:23] Trustee Colbourne: will be based within the the land base uh it's

[1:58:31] Trustee Colbourne: pouring concrete if you're pouring concrete

[1:58:32] Trustee Colbourne: you're going to be taking water where's the water coming from like these are connected pieces of

[1:58:36] Trustee Colbourne: this right

[1:58:39] Voice 26: yes yep i can see i'm yep absolutely no disagree all there i'm just thinking through it

[1:58:46] Voice 26: yeah yeah

[1:58:47] Voice 26: um i'm

[1:58:49] Trustee Rogers: sorry i must have missed the concrete part of it but i thought it sounded

[1:58:54] Trustee Rogers: to me like most of this work would be done from a barge but maybe i'm wrong i mean that's the way

[1:59:00] Trustee Rogers: i've always seen docks deconstructed and and uh uh and platforms deconstructed that are in the

[1:59:08] Trustee Rogers: marine environment they bring a barge with a crane and a pile driver or whatever it is they need and

[1:59:14] Trustee Rogers: but maybe i'm wrong maybe they're going to do it from the and is there concrete being poured

[1:59:18] Trustee Rogers: I missed that too you

[1:59:20] Voice 26: could ask the applicants representative here but I

[1:59:23] Voice 26: don't believe so that's a deconstruction of the mister

[1:59:31] Voice 26: Eichner is yes

[1:59:34] Voice 23: so yes you are correct in that the majority of the work will be

[1:59:38] Voice 23: done from barges in the water I am just checking on the use of concrete and yes

[1:59:51] Voice 23: Yes, there will be some concrete work which will be conducted in the upland area, not in the water.

[2:00:01] Voice 26: And is that for primarily the Storrs deck reconstruction with a button on

[2:00:10] Voice 26: the foreshore, I would imagine?

[2:00:13] Voice 23: Yes. So

[2:00:14] Voice 23: that's actually in the upland zone, not below the high watermark.

[2:00:17] Voice 26: Right. So for clarity, that Storrs deck, let me go back there.

[2:00:23] Voice 26: that stores deck is um this is not the most clear photograph but a portion of this storage deck

[2:00:36] Voice 26: is below the natural boundary a portion rests on the upland yeah

[2:00:42] Voice 23: that's right it straddles

[2:00:43] Voice 23: straddles the natural boundary and

[2:00:49] Trustee Rogers: as i understand it the the uh the dp doesn't extend

[2:00:55] Trustee Rogers: to the upland portion it only it only extends in the marine portion

[2:01:00] Voice 26: that's correct in the in

[2:01:02] Trustee Rogers: in silva bay itself i know it extends to the to the land portion of the island the flat island

[2:01:08] Trustee Rogers: islands themselves all the islands around it but doesn't include the upland portion

[2:01:13] Trustee Rogers: on gabriel anyway trustee colburn i mean it sounds to me like it sounds to me like

[2:01:21] Trustee Rogers: like if the work's not going ahead till December,

[2:01:26] Trustee Rogers: there's not a sense of, I mean,

[2:01:28] Trustee Rogers: obviously we don't want it sitting on our agenda for long

[2:01:31] Trustee Rogers: and the application is thorough,

[2:01:32] Trustee Rogers: but if you want to ask for further information,

[2:01:34] Trustee Rogers: we should make a motion to do that.

[2:01:38] Trustee Colbourne: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[2:01:41] Trustee Colbourne: request that the applicant submit to the Islands Trust

[2:01:45] Trustee Colbourne: information regarding the source of water

[2:01:52] Trustee Colbourne: for any upland portions of this project in the form and um confirmation of the use of steel piles

[2:02:04] Trustee Colbourne: to replace creosote piles prior to making a decision on issuance of gb dp 2020.2 okay so

[2:02:12] Trustee Rogers: so two things i need to catch ask nadine how far she got on that uh

[2:02:19] Voice 3: yeah that the gabrielle island

[2:02:20] Voice 3: Wendy Gaertner, I local trust committee request that the applicant submit to islands trust information regarding the source of water for any upland portions of this project and confirmation of the use of steel piles to replace wooden piles in the form of.

[2:02:37] Voice 3: Wendy Gaertner, I don't know how you want it, what

[2:02:44] Trustee Rogers: do you mean in the form of

[2:02:45] Trustee Colbourne: that that's just in the draft that's in the draft which I.

[2:02:49] Trustee Colbourne: I request you, I can submit to your trust.

[2:02:53] Trustee Colbourne: I don't think we need it in the form of,

[2:02:55] Trustee Colbourne: that's why I left it out,

[2:02:56] Trustee Colbourne: just prior to making a decision on insurance.

[2:02:58] Voice 3: Got it.

[2:03:01] Trustee Rogers: I see Planner Zupanich and then I hear you,

[2:03:04] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Langer, as I'll come to you in a moment, yeah.

[2:03:06] Planner Zupanec: I just wanted to make sure Trustee Colburn

[2:03:08] Planner Zupanec: did add the citation of the application in the resolution.

[2:03:11] Planner Zupanec: That's what we need, thanks.

[2:03:14] Voice 13: Okay, Trustee Langer.

[2:03:19] Voice 13: I'm trying to understand is that the development permit relates to the marine environment,

[2:03:26] Voice 13: not the upland.

[2:03:27] Voice 13: So this is what we're addressing here.

[2:03:29] Voice 13: Now it sounds like some of the work is going to actually involve work on the upland portion,

[2:03:34] Voice 13: which I understand that's where the concrete will be poured or used.

[2:03:39] Voice 13: So it's not, if it is on the upland portion, this is really part of this development permit.

[2:03:45] Voice 13: that's what i'm curious about or is it will it actually be below the uh the high water mark will

[2:03:52] Voice 13: it be concrete poured well

[2:03:57] Trustee Rogers: and i i guess the question is not just i mean he didn't refer to

[2:04:01] Trustee Rogers: concrete i think he referred to water usage yeah i i would probably um trustee colburn

[2:04:08] Trustee Rogers: suggests you take out the with reference you know with the upland portion what i mean it should be

[2:04:15] Trustee Rogers: water usage if you're going to ask for water where the water is coming from it's anywhere on that

[2:04:20] Trustee Rogers: project yeah

[2:04:21] Trustee Colbourne: yeah so i i would take that as a friendly amendment to remove the um from the

[2:04:26] Trustee Colbourne: uplands on the uplands side of the project just water usage and and any clarifications um that

[2:04:34] Trustee Colbourne: we're raising today could be captured in this information requesting right

[2:04:41] Trustee Rogers: well yeah so the

[2:04:42] Trustee Rogers: the motion is about where's the water coming from and please confirm that it's steel pylons

[2:04:48] Trustee Rogers: effectively yeah so okay trustee longer eyes do you still uh you have questions or uh no that

[2:04:56] Voice 13: sort of addressed my issue i always thought we were extending into the upland portion and really

[2:05:00] Trustee Rogers: okay so uh i think that motion has been made and the dean probably got the correction

[2:05:05] Trustee Rogers: um and then and then the idea would be once that information is it would be brought back to us

[2:05:10] Trustee Rogers: I think we're meeting in July 19th or I forgot the exact date but uh and we could consider that

[2:05:18] Trustee Rogers: particular in July 29th information in terms of deciding to issue or not the permit so do you

[2:05:24] Trustee Rogers: is there a seconder of that motion yeah

[2:05:26] Voice 13: I'll second okay

[2:05:28] Trustee Rogers: so discussion trustee Fulbright

[2:05:30] Trustee Rogers: uh

[2:05:31] Trustee Colbourne: no I think we've discussed it yeah okay

[2:05:32] Trustee Rogers: uh

[2:05:33] Voice 13: I just wanted

[2:05:34] Voice 13: to comment that one of my concerns

[2:05:37] Voice 13: was that they had the two windows and I didn't know for certain whether they were thinking of

[2:05:41] Voice 13: the June to September window or not but hearing that it's going to be December that gives some

[2:05:46] Voice 13: time to provide some of these points of clarity but so and that's why I'm willing to try to get

[2:05:55] Voice 13: a little more information and that the water relates to the marine work not just to the

[2:06:02] Voice 13: uh upland portion so okay

[2:06:05] Trustee Rogers: well uh thank you and i'll just comment before i call the vote that uh

[2:06:09] Trustee Rogers: i want to say to the applicant i i i because i i somehow got copied on a bunch of the

[2:06:16] Trustee Rogers: correspondence that was going back and forth with the shenanigans and the applicant on this and and

[2:06:21] Trustee Rogers: so i wanted to say i very much appreciate the engagement process that has been been gone on

[2:06:28] Trustee Rogers: here. It's always, I don't want to say easier, but it's a process that we, you know, where we

[2:06:41] Trustee Rogers: have to make decisions that affect the Indigenous peoples of this area to know that that engagement

[2:06:48] Trustee Rogers: has occurred and that there's been a work that they've worked out and understanding. So that

[2:06:55] Trustee Rogers: That was very helpful for me and a lot of the marine work

[2:07:00] Trustee Rogers: that's been done, of course, has been extensive.

[2:07:02] Trustee Rogers: The environmental work's been done.

[2:07:04] Trustee Rogers: It's been extensive.

[2:07:05] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I'd

[2:07:07] Voice 13: like to echo that sentiment too.

[2:07:09] Voice 13: It certainly appears to have been a very smooth flowing

[2:07:12] Voice 13: process between the proponent and CINEMO.

[2:07:15] Voice 19: Yeah,

[2:07:15] Trustee Rogers: well, anyway, whatever, however smooth it was,

[2:07:20] Trustee Rogers: it looked like it was extensive and I appreciate that

[2:07:23] Trustee Rogers: from our consideration so um i've i've got a motion on the table it's been seconded is

[2:07:30] Trustee Rogers: there any there's no further discussion i'll call the vote on that uh so all in favor so that path

[2:07:38] Trustee Rogers: is um i did i will just comment again this is a development permit not a development variance

[2:07:44] Trustee Rogers: permit so when we get this further information we'll uh it'll come back to us with that further

[2:07:50] Trustee Rogers: further information for our consideration.

[2:07:52] Trustee Rogers: So Mr. Ekenaar, I expect this to be back on our agenda

[2:07:57] Trustee Rogers: on July the 29th, hopefully we'll have

[2:08:00] Trustee Rogers: that further information and we'll be able

[2:08:02] Trustee Rogers: to make a decision.

[2:08:05] Voice 23: All right, sounds good.

[2:08:06] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[2:08:06] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much.

[2:08:07] Trustee Rogers: Thanks Planner Cox, that was a good discussion.

[2:08:11] Trustee Rogers: Gentlemen, on our agenda, we have a break at this time

[2:08:15] Trustee Rogers: and we've been going now for two hours.

[2:08:17] Trustee Rogers: and I suggest we take that break

[2:08:21] Trustee Rogers: but come back in if we could take

[2:08:25] Trustee Rogers: is 20 minutes acceptable for everybody? So we come back at 1

[2:08:29] Trustee Rogers: or do you want the full 30? I

[2:08:32] Trustee Colbourne: believe staff would appreciate the full 30

[2:08:34] Trustee Colbourne: right?

[2:08:35] Trustee Rogers: That's fine. Okay so we're back

[2:08:38] Trustee Rogers: at 1.10. We'll pick up with the Hoy matter

[2:08:42] Trustee Rogers: 9.4 and move through the things and

[2:08:46] Trustee Rogers: and hopefully we can get to the housing options

[2:08:48] Trustee Rogers: by two o'clock as I indicated, but we'll see how it goes.

[2:08:51] Voice 16: Thanks very much.

[2:08:52] Voice 16: See you at 1 10.

[2:38:33] Trustee Rogers: Welcome back, everyone. It's 1.10. Hi, Nadine.

[2:38:37] Trustee Rogers: Nice to see you. When the trustees are

[2:38:42] Trustee Rogers: settled and ready, we'll start. Thank you, everyone, for people who are joining us.

[2:38:51] Trustee Rogers: We're continuing our meeting of the Gabriel Local Trust Committee. It's 1.10, and we're at 9.4 of

[2:39:01] Trustee Rogers: the agenda uh thank you for staying with us it's uh hoy uh which is on page 90 of the agenda package

[2:39:10] Trustee Rogers: um and i believe this once again is yours uh

[2:39:14] Voice 16: trust planner cox yes thank you chair i'm just

[2:39:23] Voice 16: queuing up the uh report screen okay hopefully you can see that now

[2:39:36] Voice 26: okay so this application is coming forward um originally it was um came forward as part of a

[2:39:42] Voice 26: bylaw enforcement issue actually um which has since been resolved for the use of this um

[2:39:48] Voice 26: of this building at that time it was identified by the bylaw officer that the sighting of this

[2:39:56] Voice 26: building was pretty close to the lot line so in further investigation um it's indeed

[2:40:02] Voice 26: right up against the lot line and hence the requirement and the request by bylaw

[2:40:08] Voice 26: enforcement that this be remedied and and thus we have this DVP before us before you

[2:40:17] Voice 26: for consideration. So the subject is actually very close to Silver Bay right beside

[2:40:24] Voice 26: the other pages resort property they own too the marina and then this is the hotel

[2:40:33] Voice 26: portion next to the on the northern side of of the applicant's lot here

[2:40:39] Voice 26: the main thing for consideration here is that as identified in the report you know generally

[2:40:49] Voice 26: you don't like to see post-development dvps but in this case it's the applicant's assertion that

[2:41:00] Voice 26: they that they were felt that they were in compliance given that an RDN building permit

[2:41:07] Voice 26: was issued in the 90s 1993 for the proposed building in the or for the existing building

[2:41:13] Voice 26: in the location that it that it sits now and so we've received some communication

[2:41:20] Voice 26: the application from the notice from the public one in support of the application from pages resort the neighboring property, and another from a neighbor in the area so I think it's fairly self explanatory maybe we'll just, I'll just take any questions

[2:41:41] Voice 26: that you might have at this time.

[2:41:45] Trustee Rogers: Questions from the trustees.

[2:41:46] Trustee Rogers: uh

[2:41:49] Voice 13: no it appears to be that this is a result of just a lack of communication between uh

[2:41:56] Voice 13: buildings permit staff and uh new islands trust the local trust committee how this came about and

[2:42:04] Voice 13: a historical issue it

[2:42:09] Voice 26: appears so yeah

[2:42:13] Trustee Colbourne: no questions for me uh i was curious about the

[2:42:16] Trustee Colbourne: just the size it's in terms of square footage this is um it's not a large building i wasn't

[2:42:24] Trustee Colbourne: quite sure exactly which structure it was but um

[2:42:27] Voice 13: it's the one that's right on the edge uh when

[2:42:30] Voice 13: you're at on pages property it just is when you look at it you would think that the property line

[2:42:36] Voice 13: probably went to the to the wall but in fact this pages goes on to the high embankment that's

[2:42:45] Voice 13: probably what the cost of it was so

[2:42:47] Voice 26: can you can you see that the property the cadastral property

[2:42:51] Voice 26: um yellow outline there now yeah yeah so

[2:42:54] Voice 26: the the structure is right here that that yellow or orange

[2:42:58] Voice 26: polygon is the moderate steep slope there so there is a slope and then yeah the pages property is you

[2:43:04] Voice 26: know this is their shared property boundary and it's um uh you know this is a bit treed here

[2:43:10] Voice 26: there's a slope um down onto the pages property um so and

[2:43:17] Trustee Colbourne: the but did the bylaw issues

[2:43:19] Trustee Colbourne: have to do with the usage of this structure or was it unrelated okay

[2:43:24] Voice 26: no it was and and actually

[2:43:26] Voice 26: one thing for clarification thanks thank you for that question trustee the the um the applicant

[2:43:32] Voice 26: did not have the surveyor include the main dwelling

[2:43:36] Voice 26: on that BCLS plan.

[2:43:40] Voice 26: So the main house, I hope you can see my cursor here.

[2:43:43] Voice 26: There's not a better photo, actually, yeah.

[2:43:46] Voice 26: So the main residence, the principal dwelling

[2:43:50] Voice 26: is down here closer to the water.

[2:43:52] Voice 26: And then what's on the BCLS plan is the studio

[2:43:56] Voice 26: that's in question here.

[2:43:57] Voice 26: And yes, the former bylaw issue was with us

[2:44:02] Voice 26: the use of that studio.

[2:44:06] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[2:44:10] Trustee Rogers: Okay, are those all of the questions from the trustees?

[2:44:13] Voice 17: Yes.

[2:44:14] Trustee Rogers: Then I'll ask the trustees

[2:44:16] Trustee Rogers: if there's a proposed motion in the staff report.

[2:44:20] Trustee Rogers: I'll ask if there's someone wishing to make that motion.

[2:44:25] Voice 13: Okay, I'll do that.

[2:44:28] Voice 13: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[2:44:32] Voice 13: issued a GBDVP 2020.4 as drafted.

[2:44:37] Voice 13: is

[2:44:39] Trustee Rogers: there a seconder yeah any discussion from either of the uh trustees no seems yeah that's

[2:44:49] Trustee Rogers: a 27 years ago 26 years ago something like that 25 years ago someone anyway okay well i'll just

[2:44:57] Trustee Rogers: call the vote all in favor that passes thank you very much for that um you'll if i don't know if

[2:45:04] Trustee Rogers: if anybody is representing the Hoyes here.

[2:45:06] Trustee Rogers: I didn't ask, but that EVP will be issued shortly.

[2:45:13] Trustee Rogers: Okay, now we're at 9.5,

[2:45:16] Trustee Rogers: which is the Plotnikoff and Penner TUP application.

[2:45:23] Trustee Rogers: I see Nadine Plotnikoff is here, perhaps, and Mr. Penner.

[2:45:28] Trustee Rogers: So perhaps if they wish to be promoted,

[2:45:30] Trustee Rogers: then when we get to you,

[2:45:33] Trustee Rogers: you'll have an opportunity to speak to the the staff report when we after the trustees

[2:45:39] Trustee Rogers: have had their questions answered but otherwise it's over to you planner Cox okay

[2:45:45] Voice 26: thank you again

[2:45:46] Voice 26: chair so this obviously the LTC has before them another staff report that deals with

[2:45:55] Voice 26: vacation rentals and that bigger discussion so this this application was received

[2:46:00] Voice 26: and evaluated under the under the current guidelines um as stated in the report it's a

[2:46:07] Voice 26: it's a very complete application um including um you know the things we like to see um consideration

[2:46:15] Voice 26: of first nations and cultural heritage in the guest information package of fire

[2:46:21] Voice 26: entire department inspection, we've since also received insurance for the property for for for commercial use actually. There's certainly a robust water plan, which is a good portion of this application as you as you've seen.

[2:46:43] Voice 26: and I think that maybe if the trustees have questions for the applicant that would be fine

[2:46:53] Voice 26: I don't think there's a lot other to say we certainly it certainly meets the TUP

[2:46:59] Voice 26: guidelines as they are currently and the applicant can perhaps add anything further that they

[2:47:05] Voice 26: that they wish to at this time.

[2:47:08] Trustee Rogers: Trustees do you want to have any questions for the planner or do

[2:47:11] Trustee Rogers: you wish to just ask reserve your questions for the hour i've

[2:47:17] Voice 13: got uh questions for the planner

[2:47:18] Voice 13: go ahead yeah so i i'm trying to understand the number of bedrooms that exist

[2:47:24] Voice 13: because the proponent said it's a two-bedroom home and yet they're requesting six people which

[2:47:32] Voice 13: requires a three-bedroom home and i noticed on the uh like where is it now i saw it here

[2:47:41] Voice 13: on the drain doctor the Daryl Sam report it talks about four bedrooms and I understand there's a

[2:47:50] Voice 13: an additional building which they call a yurt which to me looks more like a building with a

[2:47:56] Voice 13: tarp over it and they use that as accommodation so it and to me it appears that they're intending

[2:48:05] Voice 13: to use the uh the yurt or whatever you want to call it as accommodation as well and that's not

[2:48:11] Voice 13: within the uh the framework of this um condition i don't think so i can

[2:48:19] Voice 13: respond to that oh sorry

[2:48:21] Voice 26: yeah

[2:48:21] Voice 13: yeah go ahead

[2:48:22] Voice 26: i'm sorry i interrupted uh no no no go ahead no okay um yeah certainly the

[2:48:28] Voice 26: permit would only permit the use in the in the single family dwelling not in any other buildings

[2:48:33] Voice 26: or RVs or camping spots on the property so that is a condition of the permit certainly

[2:48:37] Voice 26: that no other building is struck so it's only it's only for the use of the main house

[2:48:42] Voice 26: the number of bedrooms would be a good question for the applicant in this case

[2:48:49] Voice 26: that that they intend to to to use and what was your other question trustee

[2:48:57] Voice 26: oh that that you well the main thing is that the year is certainly not the account they were using

[2:49:03] Voice 26: it as accommodation while while constructing his staff's understanding and certainly their intent

[2:49:10] Voice 26: as as i understand it was not to use that as part of this this use and the permit certainly

[2:49:15] Voice 26: would prohibit that the permit says

[2:49:21] Voice 26: six people but the i i meant so sorry we can get clarity on that

[2:49:27] Voice 26: but i guess what's that what i'm saying is that the the permit would um not permit the commercial

[2:49:34] Voice 26: vacation rental use in anything but the house, you know, depending on how many, how many bedrooms

[2:49:40] Voice 26: they're actually requesting. So we could get clarity on that, but certainly it doesn't permit

[2:49:44] Voice 26: the use of RVs, tents, or any other structures on the property, like for example, the year to be

[2:49:51] Voice 26: used for this purpose.

[2:49:56] Trustee Rogers: I had the same question, trust me longer as, but how many bedrooms?

[2:49:59] Trustee Rogers: Cause I saw that same discrepancy in the, in the material. It wasn't clear to me how many there are.

[2:50:08] Trustee Rogers: maybe we'll see if if you have any other questions for the planner and if not i'll

[2:50:12] Trustee Rogers: i'll let trustee colburn ask the planner and then when i see mr penner has joined us and we can ask

[2:50:17] Trustee Rogers: him some of those questions yeah

[2:50:19] Trustee Colbourne: that was definitely i did a site visit and i i did look

[2:50:21] Trustee Colbourne: at the uh the structures involved it's a small lot for the number of structures um and and the

[2:50:27] Trustee Colbourne: yurt or canvas tarp has what appears to be some dwelling items there. So that's the outstanding

[2:50:38] Trustee Colbourne: question for me is the number of people and the size of that lot. I'm wondering if the planner

[2:50:42] Trustee Colbourne: could just clarify the water. And because these are new requirements and using rainwater for a

[2:50:50] Trustee Colbourne: commercial venture like this, could you just clarify that, that this is a new approach or that

[2:50:56] Trustee Colbourne: that this is is covered by the by the guidelines and then uh

[2:51:01] Trustee Colbourne: so yeah sorry

[2:51:03] Voice 26: no sorry go ahead

[2:51:04] Trustee Colbourne: i was just going to ask whether or not it's is this is this resulting from a bylaw compliance

[2:51:11] Trustee Colbourne: effort or has is this site currently listed on any um commercial commercial vacation rental um

[2:51:19] Trustee Colbourne: sites or websites so

[2:51:22] Voice 26: this is a voluntary this is uh applicant uh driven application okay

[2:51:27] Trustee Colbourne: So, yeah, water and then also the use of the additional structures on the property.

[2:51:40] Voice 26: So, I think, to jump forward, so the use of the additional structures, I think, is perhaps a question for the applicant.

[2:51:47] Voice 26: We've been, it's staff's understanding that that's not their intent.

[2:51:51] Voice 26: tent and also again the the draft permit you know would prohibit the use of other structures

[2:52:01] Voice 26: for this use so the guidelines are to provide an x amount of water here we go can you see that

[2:52:11] Voice 26: the landowner should be required to provide a written plan and this many liters for paying

[2:52:19] Voice 26: angust for the duration so it doesn't stipulate the source of that water it's um and so so yes

[2:52:26] Voice 26: this is a new um it's a rather new thing as i say i think in the report we've never we don't see this

[2:52:32] Voice 26: type of um extensive rainwater we haven't thus far at least not for commercial vacation rentals

[2:52:40] Voice 26: type of rainwater harvesting system but per the water plan provided by the applicant and the

[2:52:47] Voice 26: demonstration of the system it certainly meets the vol it certainly meets the the um the leader

[2:52:54] Voice 26: provision um and the water supply plan provision so and

[2:52:59] Trustee Colbourne: and that would meet the provincial

[2:53:00] Trustee Colbourne: legislations regarding um use of potable water from rainwater harvesting for commercial operations

[2:53:05] Trustee Colbourne: i know the size and the scale is not a multi-story you know dwelling it's a it's a single family unit

[2:53:11] Trustee Colbourne: but i just want to make sure that that is in line and not just from the guidelines here but the

[2:53:15] Trustee Colbourne: from the provincial legislation regarding water use so

[2:53:18] Voice 26: it's it's an interesting question um and

[2:53:21] Voice 26: it's quite an extensive topic actually um as you know the province um regulates groundwater

[2:53:27] Voice 26: use beneficial use and so forth right for commercial uh use of groundwater that's that's

[2:53:35] Voice 26: regulated um owners are permitted to drill a well for residential use in respect of their lot

[2:53:41] Voice 26: lot um and as with other tup applications um staff has suggested and well the the um the onus is you

[2:53:51] Voice 26: know the applicant is made aware that the onus is on them to to um secure any provincial requirements

[2:53:57] Voice 26: um for for commercial use right for a water license typically with previous tup applications

[2:54:07] Voice 26: We've staff has said, you know that it may or may not be advisable to withhold those permits, you know, pending other concerns but withhold those permits for confirmation from the province of those commercial water license because they were.

[2:54:21] Voice 26: It was quite a long process and so forth. In the past, but in terms of rainwater harvesting. It's not actually regulated, so to speak, right the capture, there isn't there's a number of legal, so there's.

[2:54:34] Voice 26: there are common law principles and the law of capture and so forth that really aren't

[2:54:38] Voice 26: that's their common law principles and there may be some jurisprudence on that but really

[2:54:42] Voice 26: the the the crux of it is that you're permitted to harvest rainwater it's when it's connected

[2:54:48] Voice 26: to a potable system that then it's not so much that the province regulates it but it's the health

[2:54:53] Voice 26: authority under their jurisdiction which confirms that the system meets drinking water standards

[2:54:58] Voice 26: right for contamination and the chemical makeup of the water and so forth so at that point it

[2:55:04] Voice 26: really becomes a health authority matter to permit that type of thing and recent last year

[2:55:10] Voice 26: the province did release a new set of guidelines for potable rainwater and and those guidelines

[2:55:20] Voice 26: didn't so much you know there wasn't a lot of clarity whether the province actually sort of

[2:55:24] Voice 26: quote permits it but they certainly set forth uh the legislative framework and who's responsible

[2:55:30] Voice 26: for what and that basically comes down to um you know at this point for institutional and commercial

[2:55:37] Voice 26: uses it's essentially up to the health of the regional health authority to make the decision

[2:55:42] Voice 26: as to how how they permit that so similar to um similar to the to the um to what we've said before

[2:55:52] Voice 26: for uh about these types of things in in that the onus is on the applicant to apply for the

[2:55:57] Voice 26: provincial um commercial water license in this case you know there's that option also to to um

[2:56:04] Voice 26: either condition the permit or or wait for confirmation say from the health authority

[2:56:09] Voice 26: that that system would meet their requirements and that they could permit that does that address

[2:56:14] Voice 26: that question

[2:56:15] Trustee Colbourne: it does my question is is there an application process for the health authority

[2:56:19] Trustee Colbourne: authority for Island Health to look at the specifications to look at the system I mean

[2:56:24] Trustee Colbourne: because this is new enough and and we want to promote rainwater harvesting especially for this

[2:56:29] Trustee Colbourne: type of use and this is a low water area we're talking about this is kind of a rocky promontory

[2:56:36] Trustee Colbourne: peninsula with quite densely residential units around it so you know this would be a benefit

[2:56:44] Trustee Colbourne: to me I'm trying to make sure that there's a check and a balance that this is a potable

[2:56:49] Trustee Colbourne: system that has if we're signing off on this you know without an island health authority or or some

[2:56:55] Trustee Colbourne: sort of check on the system itself I'm just not sure that to me I feel like we're in a gray zone

[2:57:01] Trustee Colbourne: that I don't still fully understand yeah

[2:57:04] Voice 26: yeah excellent I mean that is staff's position as well

[2:57:07] Voice 26: this is a new area we're wading into and so certainly there hasn't been the time to to do

[2:57:13] Voice 26: a lot of research on that and explore that but it's certainly something that could happen and

[2:57:17] Voice 26: And again, the option to the LTC is, of course, that you could condition the permit on that.

[2:57:20] Voice 26: So that would be staff follow up with with Island Health and working with the applicant to discover what that process is and exactly what permitting they need and then get confirmation of that before issuance.

[2:57:32] Trustee Colbourne: I promised myself I'd never use this word, but I find I have to.

[2:57:35] Trustee Colbourne: Like, is there a liability issue if we're issuing a permit for a water system?

[2:57:38] Trustee Colbourne: you know what i mean like it that gray area

[2:57:42] Trustee Colbourne: has a potential risk that would um that i'm just not

[2:57:46] Trustee Colbourne: clear on

[2:57:47] Voice 26: still absolutely so the liability the liability part is it is unclear that would almost

[2:57:51] Voice 26: be something um um it's it's more in the realm of a legal opinion um as to as to what uh what

[2:57:59] Voice 26: liability a local government carries for in this type of situation yeah

[2:58:04] Trustee Rogers: so i mean sorry to interrupt

[2:58:07] Trustee Rogers: up but i this is sort of the conversation you and i had yesterday planner cox and and uh and so i'm

[2:58:14] Trustee Rogers: glad to hear it being aired here now because i was going to have some of the same questions but it

[2:58:19] Trustee Rogers: strikes me that you know we make sure that there's a septic requirements that somebody that's in

[2:58:24] Trustee Rogers: authority signs off on that uh we have a condition that says that uh they would have to get any

[2:58:31] Trustee Rogers: authorization the weight of water sustainability act but we know from the what's been presented

[2:58:37] Trustee Rogers: to us is they do not intend to utilize the well um that's not their intention their intention is to

[2:58:44] Trustee Rogers: is to utilize the rainwater harvesting system which as i agree is great i mean that's a you

[2:58:50] Trustee Rogers: know i think these are these are things that are coming but but uh it strikes me that sort of the

[2:58:57] Trustee Rogers: are, you know, in this transition for that type of system,

[2:59:02] Trustee Rogers: it would be great if somebody who actually had authority over those things

[2:59:06] Trustee Rogers: says, yeah, yeah, that's fine.

[2:59:07] Trustee Rogers: You can utilize that for a commercial venture and you can rent it out and

[2:59:12] Trustee Rogers: have guests and they're going to be drinking, you know, rainwater,

[2:59:17] Trustee Rogers: potable rainwater, and that's satisfactory.

[2:59:20] Trustee Rogers: And because we can't make that decision about it.

[2:59:25] Trustee Rogers: So we either go, well, I guess we have lots of options, but on that particular option, we would go, I get, you know, over to the owner, or we require some sort of certification or validation that Island Health says, yeah, that's fine.

[2:59:40] Trustee Rogers: The system works. People can safely drink it. It's not a problem. So anyway, Trustee Ligres, did you, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut off.

[2:59:49] Trustee Rogers: No,

[2:59:49] Voice 13: no, that's fine. Yeah, I had just one other question. That's regarding the well, because this is where I have trouble sometimes with some of the records we receive. It says on the record.

[3:00:00] Voice 13: of sewerage system uh will the sewerage system be located less than uh 30 meters from a well and

[3:00:09] Voice 13: says no and so is is there uh from the well to the septic system is there uh a 30 meter distance

[3:00:20] Voice 13: is that i'm assuming so but and they also the proponent said that they were not going to use

[3:00:28] Voice 13: the well but it does show on one map they're going to use it for irrigation so

[3:00:36] Voice 26: is that a question for

[3:00:37] Voice 26: for the planner or for perhaps the applicant can ask,

[3:00:43] Voice 26: can address the proximity or confirm the proximity question.

[3:00:51] Voice 13: Yeah, because it looks like the field

[3:00:53] Voice 13: and the well are fairly close together.

[3:00:56] Voice 13: And I could be wrong.

[3:00:57] Voice 13: It was sometimes hard to look at the map.

[3:00:59] Voice 26: So presumably the septic system would have been installed

[3:01:02] Voice 26: under a registered professional.

[3:01:05] Voice 26: Yeah, yeah.

[3:01:05] Voice 13: Yeah. And

[3:01:06] Voice 26: it would comply with the sewerage system regulation.

[3:01:08] Voice 13: So I'm not sure.

[3:01:12] Voice 26: Yeah. So if

[3:01:13] Voice 26: so, confirmation of the of if the trustee would like confirmation of the proximity and that perhaps the applicant may be able to answer that.

[3:01:23] Trustee Rogers: So, trustees, should we turn over to the applicant now and sort of ask some of these questions there as opposed to the planner?

[3:01:30] Trustee Rogers: So, I see Mr. Penner is with us, and you're welcome to turn your mic on, and if you could

[3:01:40] Trustee Rogers: sort of address, first of all, the staff report and whether you have any considerations, and

[3:01:45] Trustee Rogers: then if you'd like to discuss any of the questions that have been asked, and we may have some

[3:01:49] Trustee Rogers: more questions for you.

[3:01:50] Trustee Rogers: So, you'll need to unmute yourself, though.

[3:01:53] Trustee Rogers: Do

[3:01:58] Voice 9: you guys see me?

[3:01:59] Voice 9: This is Nadine Plotnick.

[3:02:01] Trustee Rogers: No, we can hear you, but we don't see you.

[3:02:04] Voice 9: I'm here as well.

[3:02:05] Voice 9: so um I know you can

[3:02:07] Trustee Rogers: see Mr. Penner but we don't see you well

[3:02:10] Voice 9: why don't I maybe speak first is it

[3:02:12] Voice 9: okay if you don't see me but just hear me

[3:02:15] Trustee Rogers: absolutely you yeah your cameras

[3:02:17] Trustee Rogers: are not turned

[3:02:18] Trustee Rogers: on but okay

[3:02:19] Voice 9: so why don't you I'll speak sort of first to the bedroom issue and and then perhaps

[3:02:24] Voice 9: Siegfried can speak to the other two if that gives him a minute to get signed on um so yeah we have

[3:02:30] Voice 9: it's a two-bedroom home it's a 1360 square foot two-bedroom two-bath home and um yeah the

[3:02:38] Voice 9: application was made simply to rent oh Zikrid's having trouble unmuting hmm shoot um anybody have

[3:02:48] Voice 9: any suggestions for him

[3:02:50] Voice 7: you should you should find the unmute um button if you take your um

[3:02:56] Voice 7: um your cursor or if you're on an ipad your finger down to the bottom of the screen it should show

[3:03:05] Voice 7: a like a microphone symbol and it might say mute or unmute and you just

[3:03:11] Voice 7: click on

[3:03:12] Voice 7: he's on the phone

[3:03:15] Voice 9: yeah

[3:03:15] Trustee Rogers: he looks like he's on a phone he's

[3:03:17] Voice 9: on his phone because he's on the road between job sites

[3:03:21] Trustee Rogers: but he's but

[3:03:22] Voice 7: he's joined but he's joined zoom he's not yeah just a call in yeah that's right yeah

[3:03:28] Voice 7: um if he

[3:03:30] Voice 9: can't find the

[3:03:31] Trustee Rogers: unmute he could call in

[3:03:32] Voice 9: okay yeah let me just text him that and um

[3:03:36] Voice 9: and um where would he call in to uh

[3:03:43] Voice 7: the phone number is just give me a moment

[3:03:46] Voice 7: okay phone number is 833-958-1164 1164 okay yeah

[3:03:59] Voice 7: and that and he'll need the webinar id

[3:04:01] Voice 7: when he phones in and that number is 691-3296-1477 so 691 yeah

[3:04:14] Voice 7: yeah three two nine six one four seven seven one

[3:04:22] Voice 9: four seven seven yeah and then

[3:04:26] Voice 7: to and then

[3:04:26] Voice 7: to unmute his phone he'll have to hit star six when we get that far okay okay

[3:04:33] Voice 9: sorry about that

[3:04:35] Voice 9: I'll just text him um hit star six to unmute okay okay I'll just send that he's actually a very

[3:04:46] Voice 9: techie guy so I trust he'll figure it out but um okay um call first number so yeah it's a two

[3:04:58] Voice 9: bedroom home my understanding on the application is that um you know for properties of our size

[3:05:05] Voice 9: were a 0.55 acre that on the top it seems to say that that size of lot can can host three bedrooms

[3:05:15] Voice 9: if I remember correctly Ian but our home is simply a two-bedroom home there's no option around that

[3:05:21] Voice 9: and you know in terms of the septic report when we had the new septic system installed

[3:05:28] Voice 9: you know there is a thought that if if we move to this home full-time at some point we may want

[3:05:34] Voice 9: want to put a second story on the home and so it made sense to have a septic system installed that

[3:05:41] Voice 9: that would be supportive of a home that had a second story so that's that's why the septic

[3:05:48] Voice 9: report reads as it is but it's a two-bedroom home that sort of yurt slash tent structure

[3:05:54] Voice 9: yeah we had that on the property when Siegfried was building I mean the house was not it was such a

[3:06:00] Voice 9: a huge rebuild that yeah we mean he had to stay somewhere so we had a camper and the that tent

[3:06:09] Voice 9: structure there on the lot and it was sort of a storage area and a bit of a sleeping area and

[3:06:15] Voice 9: after we finished the renovation it wasn't that realistic to move it you know we considered

[3:06:20] Voice 9: selling it but disassembling it it was not easy and it isn't the sort of structure that somebody

[3:06:29] Voice 9: could have driven by with a pickup and just purchased it was sort of had to have been a big

[3:06:34] Voice 9: vehicle and you know we just thought let's just move it to an appropriate area on the lot and

[3:06:39] Voice 9: our home isn't big we need storage we've still got old furniture and stuff left over from the

[3:06:47] Voice 9: original home which is why you know those old bar stools and that unplugged fridge are on the front

[3:06:54] Voice 9: of that year we just there's still stuff that we haven't completely decluttered from when we

[3:06:59] Voice 9: bought the home three years ago so there's absolutely no intention to have that as part of

[3:07:05] Voice 9: of what we offer and we're not interested in big groups it's we've kind of built our dream home

[3:07:13] Voice 9: it's yeah we're lucky to have Siegfried he's a an award-winning meticulous builder and he's

[3:07:21] Voice 9: built us a beautiful home and so we're um you know we're not interested in having a party house

[3:07:27] Voice 9: or big groups that are spilling over into that tent we just don't want that at all it's a two

[3:07:33] Voice 9: bedroom home and that's we understand that that's what the permit would be for anyhow so

[3:07:39] Voice 9: so i hope that answers or that clarifies the number of bedrooms so

[3:07:44] Trustee Rogers: yeah so we now know there's

[3:07:45] Trustee Rogers: there are two bedrooms um so the tup would probably be amended to that effect

[3:07:50] Trustee Rogers: the other thing

[3:07:53] Trustee Rogers: the other question i that was asked is not quite sure i understood did you

[3:07:57] Trustee Rogers: do you have any knowledge of uh whether the well and the septic are what the distance between them

[3:08:05] Trustee Rogers: is um

[3:08:07] Voice 9: yeah i mean the the well is as ian had said you know we that was done in concert with the um

[3:08:15] Voice 9: the drain doctors who built it. So we have no intention to use that well. We had it tested

[3:08:24] Voice 9: when we bought the home and the quality of the water there is really poor, perhaps not even kind

[3:08:30] Voice 9: enough to use for our plants. So it's kind of a decommissioned well. I don't think it would

[3:08:37] Voice 9: realistically ever serve for anything. So when the location of the septic was planned for with

[3:08:44] Voice 9: the professional group it was planned with that knowledge and sort of taking into account the

[3:08:50] Voice 9: locations of the water sources on the neighboring properties as well so you know it was it was felt

[3:08:59] Voice 9: to to meet the needs of that of the professional that advised us on that oh boy he's not even able

[3:09:08] Voice 9: to say sign in now totally off the meeting anybody have a suggestion um

[3:09:14] Trustee Rogers: well we we i mean

[3:09:18] Trustee Rogers: is it is it an important part of your presentation that he he or your representation that he'd be

[3:09:24] Trustee Rogers: here well

[3:09:26] Voice 9: um yeah because

[3:09:28] Trustee Rogers: i i because the only suggestion i have is we can stand down until he

[3:09:32] Trustee Rogers: gets connected and move on to another matter uh and come back to you but i can't guarantee when

[3:09:38] Trustee Rogers: that would be so

[3:09:40] Voice 9: we'll say and i've got patience so i'll say first first is phone number and second

[3:09:47] Voice 9: is yeah

[3:09:48] Trustee Rogers: so we you know what why

[3:09:50] Trustee Rogers: don't

[3:09:51] Voice 9: i keep going and yeah very frustrating i yeah okay

[3:09:56] Trustee Rogers: so let me

[3:09:57] Trustee Rogers: let me just turn to trustees if you can't answer the questions that i'm going to i'm going to defer

[3:10:02] Trustee Rogers: this matter to later in the meeting and so that we can come back to it and or or whenever so um

[3:10:08] Trustee Rogers: But, Rusty, do you have questions for the applicants at this stage, beyond the one about the bedrooms and the, and I guess you do, can you answer the question about Island Health?

[3:10:20] Voice 9: I mean, I can, I can carry on.

[3:10:23] Voice 9: I can carry on trying to answer it to the best of my ability. So,

[3:10:29] Voice 9: yeah, so, so we, we had the fellow from

[3:10:40] Voice 9: a quality who is the the the the water testing group up at the twin beaches mall

[3:10:47] Voice 9: we had him come in last weekend and and and do collect a sample for water water test just because

[3:10:56] Voice 9: we predicted we thought oh maybe that's something that everybody would like to see so apparently the

[3:11:00] Voice 9: the test is available or the result is available tomorrow but um um well i mean when we can kind

[3:11:08] Voice 9: and let you know that, but, um, you know, we had, I mean, we're happy to comply with what best

[3:11:16] Voice 9: practices are, you know, we're, we understand this is new. We're grateful that you guys are

[3:11:21] Voice 9: considering it. Um, we're sort of proud of our rainwater harvesting system, but, um, am I still

[3:11:28] Voice 9: on? Yep. Okay. Okay.

[3:11:31] Voice 9: Um, but, uh, we're happy to, you know, we're sort of keen and eager that if

[3:11:37] Voice 9: If this meets the criteria, we'd like to get going, you know.

[3:11:41] Voice 9: And when we spoke to him last week, when he was in to get the water, he indicated that part of their business is that they go around.

[3:11:52] Voice 9: They go around the different businesses on the island every couple of weeks and they collect a sample.

[3:12:00] Voice 9: And, OK, I see Siegfried there.

[3:12:04] Voice 9: So he

[3:12:05] Trustee Rogers: now has to hit star six.

[3:12:07] Trustee Rogers: he should be able to hear us and he has to hit star six on mute so okay

[3:12:12] Voice 9: i

[3:12:13] Voice 22: think i'm live now

[3:12:14] Voice 22: oh

[3:12:15] Voice 9: beautiful thank you um yeah

[3:12:17] Voice 22: i don't have video but i don't know what happened to my phone here

[3:12:19] Voice 22: so

[3:12:20] Trustee Rogers: i'd like to keep this moving so because we got a lot of on our agenda so uh there are some

[3:12:28] Trustee Rogers: there were some questions about the uh the septic and the and the well and it hasn't been

[3:12:33] Trustee Rogers: decommissioned and they're close together and then the question about island health improving your

[3:12:38] Trustee Rogers: water system yeah

[3:12:40] Voice 9: so secret i'll just finish we let me

[3:12:42] Voice 22: talk to the well issue so the well is not

[3:12:44] Voice 22: there's no power hooked up to it and there's no water lines hooked up to it it's just sitting in

[3:12:48] Voice 22: a planter box and it's for all we for all we can say it's decommissioned it's not being reactivated

[3:12:53] Voice 22: the water coming out of it it's very sulfuric has a very strong smell not even good for the

[3:12:58] Voice 22: plants we were planning to water our garden now with just the rainwater uh as we need to so that

[3:13:05] Voice 22: was our plan going forward as far as the septic field goes the waterloo system i don't know i

[3:13:11] Voice 22: think it's about about 30 meters away from the area they check the neighboring properties

[3:13:15] Voice 22: primarily i think that's their their requirement when they put the septic in that's what all all

[3:13:20] Voice 22: that has been complied with and at the time i told me we're going to use the water for um

[3:13:25] Voice 22: um for plant watering and that's all i know so i haven't metered that off how far it is but it's

[3:13:31] Voice 22: probably around that distance it's um yeah probably 20 20 meters i would guess if i had to

[3:13:41] Voice 22: guess it okay um that's talking to the septic uh the septic system but we're not planning to use

[3:13:48] Voice 22: that many shapeware phone there's no like i say no power going to it it's in a planter bed that

[3:13:54] Voice 22: has a driveway all around it right now so

[3:13:56] Trustee Rogers: okay and what about your rain water capture system

[3:13:59] Trustee Rogers: and island health and and having that certified yeah

[3:14:03] Voice 22: i don't know if there's even a certification

[3:14:05] Voice 22: process i've asked nick from aquilini or aquility to look into that for us if there's anything we

[3:14:11] Voice 22: can do he says i don't know if there is there as far as he understands that it's more than

[3:14:15] Voice 22: compliant it's he's never seen such a robust system himself the uv light is over it's a

[3:14:21] Voice 22: for a commercial application I went with ABC water collection water water supply systems I

[3:14:28] Voice 22: talked to them I said I wanted the best there was and he was grateful for that he asked me

[3:14:33] Voice 22: if the generator backup would power that back on when it was power off and I said yes he's a

[3:14:37] Voice 22: certified water analyst to work with with islands health so he has the same questions he didn't know

[3:14:46] Voice 22: if there's any further certification you could get he was going to inquire for me because he

[3:14:50] Voice 22: was certified to do so um now he said for the commercial buildings uh businesses he ended up

[3:14:58] Voice 22: doing every two week water testing for them he thinks we should be doing once a year i said i

[3:15:03] Voice 22: want to do every six months but we don't know where that is at and we could also add a berkey

[3:15:08] Voice 22: for drinking water purposes which is 99.9 effective he says and i haven't looked into that but we can

[3:15:15] Voice 22: easily add one of those to our home and so that's a berkey a berkey uh water filtration it's a

[3:15:22] Voice 22: foam counter

[3:15:23] Voice 22: stainless steel canister i think i know what you're talking about yeah they sent me

[3:15:27] Voice 22: a link to those i haven't looked further into that we can easily pick one up from them they have them

[3:15:32] Voice 22: in stock um and it's just it literally is just for the two bedroom home for the guests to drink

[3:15:40] Voice 22: uh we drink the water it's always been fine it tastes good it goes through a charcoal filter

[3:15:45] Voice 22: first the sediment filter and charcoal filter which we described the big blues and and the big

[3:15:50] Voice 22: filter sizes and they get changed regularly but as far as island um island i mean whatever the name

[3:15:57] Voice 22: is um um the island health is concerned he was going to just look into that see if there's

[3:16:06] Voice 22: anything he could find out okay so

[3:16:09] Trustee Rogers: i'm going to if i could just stop you i'm going to turn to the

[3:16:12] Trustee Rogers: trustees and see if they have questions about other matters okay

[3:16:16] Trustee Colbourne: trustees uh no that would be

[3:16:19] Trustee Colbourne: the outstanding question for me it's the it's the clarification on the on on certification of the

[3:16:24] Trustee Colbourne: water and the and island health i understand equality and and nicholas reed are a commercial

[3:16:30] Trustee Colbourne: vendor and provide that testing service but again there's that um that next stage that i would still

[3:16:36] Trustee Colbourne: need some clarity on and if we if we did defer this it would be potentially get that information

[3:16:42] Trustee Colbourne: in a month right for the next ltc potentially i

[3:16:50] Voice 16: think you're asking i think that's a question

[3:16:54] Voice 22: for me yes well i guess that would have been that uh yeah we we um we have people who are

[3:17:01] Voice 22: interested in renting our home we put it out we were hoping to get our licenses we don't know i

[3:17:05] Voice 22: mean we we thought we were more than compliant with everything there was um for i mean as far

[3:17:11] Voice 22: as rainwatering harvesting i don't know what island health will say about this um if they

[3:17:16] Voice 22: They even have a program for this.

[3:17:17] Voice 22: We don't even know where to go with it.

[3:17:18] Voice 22: I was looking into it myself, and there was nothing.

[3:17:21] Voice 22: He said he knew a person he could contact,

[3:17:23] Voice 22: and I asked him to get me back to me before the meeting.

[3:17:25] Voice 22: He hasn't gotten back to me, and he was very adamant he would.

[3:17:29] Voice 22: And he said I would just call so-and-so and a lady's name, he said.

[3:17:34] Voice 22: But as far as even the whole Vancouver Island,

[3:17:37] Voice 22: he said no one there is certified for this kind of collection system.

[3:17:41] Voice 22: He said it's just rainwater is the freshest water you can harvest.

[3:17:46] Voice 22: unless it's been polluted in the air or you have bird droppings and pollution on your roof,

[3:17:51] Voice 22: which we have very rigorously looked into.

[3:17:53] Voice 22: We have pre-filtering systems going in.

[3:17:55] Voice 22: He looked at all that and said, yeah, it's great.

[3:17:58] Voice 22: So all

[3:17:59] Voice 26: we can do, I don't know

[3:18:00] Voice 22: if there's anything out there that they would certify.

[3:18:03] Voice 22: That's what I'm saying.

[3:18:05] Voice 26: If I just jump in for a second, staff could certainly assist with this research, right?

[3:18:10] Voice 26: Because it does pertain to, it will be relevant to future applications,

[3:18:14] Voice 26: not just for this type of thing, but for other things.

[3:18:15] Voice 26: so certainly if that's a piece of information the LTC needs staff can assist in right and with the

[3:18:22] Voice 26: applicants and researching that and trying to make a contact

[3:18:25] Trustee Colbourne: that was kind of my question was

[3:18:27] Trustee Colbourne: more for the story and we kind of jumped back between the planner and the proponents there but

[3:18:30] Trustee Colbourne: you know that's something that we should understand and then because we are stepping

[3:18:34] Trustee Colbourne: into a liability issue because we've granted a permit for a commercial operation so I yeah but

[3:18:41] Trustee Colbourne: So my question was, Planner Cox, would you estimate that if this were deferred by a month,

[3:18:48] Trustee Colbourne: that we'd have more clarity by that point of whether or not we were able to do this?

[3:18:52] Voice 26: So it'll just be entirely based on what kind of contact and information is available from

[3:18:58] Voice 26: Island Health.

[3:18:59] Voice 26: It's rather hard to make an estimate, but we'd make every effort to get some answers

[3:19:06] Voice 26: there.

[3:19:06] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[3:19:07] Trustee Rogers: And see, here's the thing, right?

[3:19:09] Trustee Rogers: I mean, when we make a condition in our TUPs, or at least the draft one that's here,

[3:19:18] Trustee Rogers: often that someone is compliant with the Water Sustainability Act, which is a relation to wells.

[3:19:25] Trustee Rogers: So the question we have is, well, what about rainwater harvesting?

[3:19:31] Trustee Rogers: We should probably be similarly satisfied that everything's in service for that.

[3:19:37] Trustee Rogers: and that seems to be an island health or a health authority issue as opposed to a

[3:19:47] Trustee Rogers: water license issue which talks about groundwater not rainwater. Trustee Langriss do you have any

[3:19:55] Trustee Rogers: other questions for the applicant?

[3:19:58] Voice 13: Oh it just it just sounds like the approval of the septic

[3:20:01] Voice 13: system was based on the premise they wouldn't use the well. Yep.

[3:20:05] Voice 13: That's leaves it a bit open.

[3:20:08] Voice 13: that's right and island health is not aware that it's less than 30 meters because the report says

[3:20:16] Voice 13: not within 30 meters so it's sort of an agreement it sounds like an agreement between the

[3:20:24] Voice 13: rowp and the proponent so

[3:20:28] Trustee Rogers: that's probably correct and i suppose we could add a condition that they

[3:20:33] Trustee Rogers: can't use the well for uh any what potable in in the tpup as well or

[3:20:39] Voice 13: decommission it well

[3:20:42] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[3:20:43] Voice 21: i don't know that we need to do that yeah the well will never be added into our home ever

[3:20:49] Voice 21: yeah well okay so trustees we've had this issue arise

[3:20:54] Trustee Rogers: and um i heard trustee colburn indicate that

[3:20:58] Trustee Rogers: he'd like some more information do you i guess the other question i have is you know we got

[3:21:04] Trustee Rogers: at least one other other um it seems to me the the the options are we could there has been on

[3:21:18] Trustee Rogers: some opposition to this you can deny it um you can ask for more information or you can grant it

[3:21:26] Trustee Rogers: uh with with some amendments because there's clearly some amendments here in terms of bedrooms

[3:21:30] Trustee Rogers: rooms etc etc so uh i just sort of lay that out look to the trustees as to what they would like

[3:21:36] Trustee Rogers: to do and there's motions there's uh motions for all of those including the request for

[3:21:43] Trustee Rogers: information draft motions on page um 108 yeah can

[3:21:48] Voice 9: i um can i um pose something

[3:21:51] Voice 9: yeah

[3:21:53] Voice 17: um

[3:21:54] Voice 9: i mean we would be happy knowing what nick's told us about the the regular testing

[3:22:02] Voice 9: that he does on the island for the businesses seems he has a two-week roster we'd be happy to

[3:22:09] Voice 9: do that for the summer if that gives you comfort to find out if if there is anything different that

[3:22:15] Voice 9: would apply to us as a home versus you know the restaurants and the grocery store and stuff that

[3:22:21] Voice 9: he tests um I'm just speaking candidly I mean I appreciate that we're moving forward but the

[3:22:27] Voice 9: summer is kind of our our main time to try and and take advantage of this opportunity and so if we

[3:22:34] Voice 9: sort of advertise in August we've kind of we've you know then we're sort of looking at a summer

[3:22:40] Voice 9: that that we haven't um uh taken advantage of so if we offer that does that does that um help in

[3:22:49] Voice 9: in any way, shape or form?

[3:22:51] Trustee Rogers: Well, I can't speak for the other two trustees,

[3:22:53] Trustee Rogers: but what I heard was a more of a concern more broadly

[3:22:57] Trustee Rogers: of what kind of permission is required from Island Health,

[3:23:01] Trustee Rogers: not just that somebody on the Island

[3:23:03] Trustee Rogers: is gonna be testing your water.

[3:23:04] Trustee Rogers: So-

[3:23:05] Trustee Rogers: Okay,

[3:23:06] Voice 9: I guess I'm just speaking to the fact

[3:23:07] Voice 9: that those are larger commercial enterprises

[3:23:10] Voice 9: and that's the standard that they seem to have.

[3:23:13] Voice 9: So I guess I'm assuming that they wouldn't require

[3:23:18] Voice 9: require more of that given that that's their standard for larger scale accommodations and

[3:23:25] Voice 9: restaurants but

[3:23:26] Trustee Rogers: that I'm guessing a lot of those are on what there's a standard protocol for well

[3:23:30] Trustee Rogers: water usage I

[3:23:32] Voice 9: thought it was sort of for both that they had to test well and rainwater yeah

[3:23:37] Voice 9: so

[3:23:39] Trustee Rogers: okay thank you if there's nothing else from the from the applicant unless there is I'll give

[3:23:46] Trustee Rogers: you one last opportunity to speak to any other issues that you may have i'm going to turn to

[3:23:50] Trustee Rogers: the trustees to ask them how they want to proceed um because yeah

[3:23:55] Trustee Colbourne: i'm going to move to request

[3:23:57] Trustee Colbourne: further information i know we haven't spoken to some of the um the opposition we'll have to kind

[3:24:01] Trustee Colbourne: of deal with the um with with the site and location and and the other issues but i i feel

[3:24:07] Trustee Colbourne: like um and i i do hear the concerns about um you know the uh the the potential economic costs

[3:24:16] Trustee Colbourne: of deferring this but i i it's something that we we have to have in front of us and it's also

[3:24:22] Trustee Colbourne: learning that our staff you know the trust staff um can can help facilitate this so it's not

[3:24:28] Trustee Colbourne: something that's just on your behalf it's on it's on it's it will further the use of rainwater

[3:24:32] Trustee Colbourne: harvesting as well and do so in a way that we can step into legally comfortably so i'm uh if it's

[3:24:39] Trustee Colbourne: okay chair i'm going to move that the gabriel island local trust committee requested the

[3:24:42] Trustee Colbourne: applicant to work with staff for additional rainwater harvesting certification info prior

[3:24:51] Trustee Colbourne: to rendering a decision on GBTUP 2021.1.

[3:24:59] Trustee Rogers: Okay so there's a motion that's been made Nadine did you

[3:25:02] Trustee Rogers: get the motion?

[3:25:04] Voice 9: I can hear it and see it yeah. I can hear

[3:25:07] Voice 21: the motion as well I mean there could

[3:25:09] Voice 21: be another option we could just give them bottled water we can buy the tank for bottled water. Yeah

[3:25:17] Trustee Rogers: to discuss what we're going to do.

[3:25:18] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much though.

[3:25:20] Trustee Rogers: So, sorry, I was asking Nadine

[3:25:26] Trustee Rogers: whether you've got the motion.

[3:25:28] Voice 3: Work with staff, the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[3:25:32] Voice 3: requests that the applicant work with staff

[3:25:34] Voice 3: for additional rainwater harvesting.

[3:25:37] Voice 3: Was it material?

[3:25:39] Trustee Rogers: No, I think it was certification information.

[3:25:42] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[3:25:42] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[3:25:43] Voice 3: prior to rendering a decision on gbt gbtup 2021.1 okay

[3:25:53] Trustee Rogers: so that's the motion that's been made

[3:25:55] Trustee Rogers: um trustee langres do are you do you want to is there a seconder for that motion

[3:26:03] Trustee Rogers: okay so uh do either of you wish to speak to the motion either of us

[3:26:10] Voice 16: no

[3:26:11] Trustee Rogers: no the trustees

[3:26:12] Trustee Rogers: Mark Warren,

[3:26:13] Trustee Rogers: trustee sorry i'm trustee longer ST we should speak to the motion.

[3:26:17] Voice 13: John Lundgren, No other than I know we're dealing with one issue, we also have to ask the I guess the question of the letters that we've received.

[3:26:26] Voice 13: Mark Warren, Well,

[3:26:27] Trustee Rogers: I heard trustee colburn say that, yes, he knows, we have to do that, and we could, and that was why I said we could deny the application outright and then we wouldn't need any of this but.

[3:26:37] Trustee Rogers: Mark Warren, Yes, planner Cox.

[3:26:41] Voice 26: uh yep thanks chair sorry to interrupt i just thought maybe um maybe it would be good to

[3:26:47] Voice 26: clarify um and or use the term licensing in that motion as well like certification is one thing but

[3:26:57] Voice 26: that that sort of implies just testing and so forth but really what we're also talking about

[3:27:01] Voice 26: is that as an authority's licensing process is that okay i

[3:27:05] Trustee Rogers: think that's maybe certification

[3:27:06] Trustee Rogers: and license and or license

[3:27:08] Voice 26: thank you and

[3:27:10] Trustee Rogers: it may come back that there is nothing and then you know

[3:27:13] Trustee Rogers: we don't know so um trustee colburn do you wish to speak your motion no

[3:27:21] Trustee Colbourne: i i think um you know

[3:27:23] Trustee Colbourne: we're dealing with commercial vacation rentals as a sort of macro issue on a micro scale we're

[3:27:27] Trustee Colbourne: going to have to discuss them as they come up one by one this one i don't feel like i have the

[3:27:30] Trustee Colbourne: relevant information to be able to make the decision yet so i feel like we have to have that

[3:27:34] Trustee Colbourne: and then we can have that next piece of conversation um and and deal with the the

[3:27:39] Trustee Colbourne: letters of opposition that come in as well okay

[3:27:43] Trustee Rogers: uh so that's been moved and and seconded um

[3:27:48] Trustee Rogers: and so it's likely to come back to our july 29th uh meeting uh so i'll call the vote nobody else

[3:27:58] Trustee Rogers: we should speak all in favor and so that passes unanimously i appreciate that you had um may have

[3:28:06] Trustee Rogers: had plans for uh to rent it out um uh this is uh you know these are the considerations we go

[3:28:14] Trustee Rogers: through on a per application basis for a tup and and other types of development variances and um

[3:28:22] Trustee Rogers: so the uh that's the decision we've asked for more information at this stage and

[3:28:27] Trustee Rogers: i guess uh planner talks um we also the the proposed uh tp permit has to be amended to

[3:28:36] Trustee Rogers: to in relation to the the bedrooms uh we now know it's two and so therefore be a maximum of four i

[3:28:44] Trustee Rogers: guess is the idea so will you just do that would you like us to amend the i i don't really think

[3:28:49] Trustee Rogers: we need to amend the draft permit you can just do that for when it comes back to it

[3:28:53] Voice 26: not yeah not

[3:28:53] Voice 26: now we could provide some changes um in the next draft of it but also just wait to see what the

[3:28:58] Voice 26: discussion the the trustee discussion is at that point okay and amended then okay

[3:29:04] Trustee Rogers: well thank you

[3:29:05] Trustee Rogers: i don't think there's any other uh business on this item does anybody else have anything else

[3:29:09] Trustee Rogers: they need to say otherwise we'll move on thanks trustees thank you for joining us to the applicant

[3:29:14] Trustee Rogers: uh we'll thank you

[3:29:15] Trustee Rogers: bye-bye yeah you're

[3:29:31] Voice 16: muted chair thank you yeah sorry

[3:29:34] Trustee Rogers: uh that's um

[3:29:37] Trustee Rogers: uh let's see if we can get the if the last application done uh see where we're at on it

[3:29:45] Trustee Rogers: um so that's you uh planner sawyer uh over to you we're on page word 40 of the agenda packet

[3:29:52] Voice 2: great uh thank you hi everybody um so yeah this is uh for gb dvp 2021.2

[3:30:01] Voice 2: It is regarding a septic field and associated or the septic system but the field is part of the application today. So there was an installation of a septic system and the field was found to be located within the minimum required setback to the natural boundary of the sea.

[3:30:23] Voice 2: It was installed or the system was overseen by a registered on-site wastewater practitioner and so subsequent to the building permit review, this development variance permit has come to us to vary that setback to the natural boundary of the sea.

[3:30:45] Voice 2: One thing in the report, maybe attention to page 142, just talking about where it references some of the OCP policies.

[3:30:58] Voice 2: policies. 7.5 of the OCP states that in areas where it is anticipated that septic disposal

[3:31:07] Voice 2: systems may not function properly, development shall be prohibited unless the Ministry of

[3:31:11] Voice 2: Health is prepared to approve an alternate system of effluent disposal. So in looking at

[3:31:20] Voice 2: what the impacts of this DVP would be, or maybe even going back and looking at the land use by-law,

[3:31:28] Voice 2: to try to figure out why that setback

[3:31:31] Voice 2: was created at 30 meters.

[3:31:35] Voice 2: You know, if I go to that, if we go to that OCP policy,

[3:31:39] Voice 2: it talks about the Ministry of Health

[3:31:42] Voice 2: approving alternate systems.

[3:31:44] Voice 2: And maybe perhaps this was considered along the shoreline

[3:31:47] Voice 2: as an area where it is anticipated

[3:31:52] Voice 2: that the systems may not function properly.

[3:31:55] Voice 2: It's hard to say. The land use bylaw doesn't specifically spell out what the background of that setback is.

[3:32:03] Voice 2: So I just wanted to also state that because I was interested, as part of this report, that I wanted to confirm about the Ministry of Health and how this OCP policy applies now.

[3:32:24] Voice 2: So I spoke with Island Health representative yesterday, and so, and it was stated that they do not review or approve septic system reports.

[3:32:34] Voice 2: reports and so I just want to also acknowledge that in the report the staff report there are

[3:32:44] Voice 2: some errors in the way that I've that I've characterized the island health and rope

[3:32:53] Voice 2: relationship and so I wanted to just bring your attention to that so I'd like to just say where

[3:32:58] Voice 2: we're in the report the staff report where it states that the certification or approval by

[3:33:03] Voice 2: island health is has been obtained that that is incorrect and should be

[3:33:10] Voice 2: disregarded so and that that language is also in the rationale letter that the

[3:33:16] Voice 2: that the agent has provided where it talks about certification by island

[3:33:21] Voice 2: health so I so it's important information for you to know so other

[3:33:29] Voice 2: other items um uh to the best of our knowledge um this is the only thing that uh that that our

[3:33:41] Voice 2: regulations have been that need to be addressed in the installation of this septic system um and

[3:33:50] Voice 2: And whether or not the ROPE knew about our regulations, I can't tell.

[3:33:59] Voice 2: Again, that's not in the rationale letter.

[3:34:02] Voice 2: Other items to take away from the report included that the notices were circulated to the neighbors and no correspondence was received.

[3:34:10] Voice 2: Also, an information letter was sent to Synonymic First Nation on May 26th, and no comments have been received regarding that letter.

[3:34:20] Voice 2: And yes, and the agent is available.

[3:34:24] Voice 2: One other thing I might just also draw your attention to is that since the application has been made,

[3:34:33] Voice 2: you might see on page 169, you'll see the site plan there in the development variance permit that shows the septic tank lids.

[3:34:49] Voice 2: and they are quite close to uh the interior lot line um the requirement is that it be they be

[3:34:57] Voice 2: that the the tanks from our interpretation of the land use bylaw is that tanks are structures and

[3:35:04] Voice 2: should be located 1.5 meters from those interior lot lines so um we just i discussed this with the

[3:35:12] Voice 2: agent and offered to include that in the development variance permit notification

[3:35:18] Voice 2: and draft permit that was circulated. And it was, I was told not to do that. And so there is,

[3:35:28] Voice 2: and maybe the agent can elaborate on this. So those lids and the tanks may need to be

[3:35:36] Voice 2: be moved they they weren't surveyed as part of the survey but they may have to be lifted and

[3:35:43] Voice 2: relocated uh outside of those setbacks so um I think that uh yeah so um but based mainly on that

[3:35:54] Voice 2: we you know haven't received any neighborhood correspondence or neighborhood correspondence

[3:35:59] Voice 2: correspondence, the staff aren't able to provide you with any additional environmental information

[3:36:08] Voice 2: on that 30 meters and what this new setback might mean for sort of impacts to the shoreline.

[3:36:20] Voice 2: But for the, you know, based on the neighbor notifications, the recommendation is that

[3:36:28] Voice 2: that we would approve issuance

[3:36:30] Voice 2: of the development variance permit.

[3:36:36] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, and did you say that the representative

[3:36:39] Trustee Rogers: for the applicant is with us?

[3:36:42] Voice 2: Yes, Mr. Ellens should be, I believe he's online.

[3:36:48] Trustee Rogers: There's no Mr. Ellens in my list.

[3:36:51] Voice 7: He's already been promoted to panelist chair.

[3:36:54] Voice 7: I

[3:36:54] Trustee Rogers: see, I apologize.

[3:36:55] Trustee Rogers: I didn't know that.

[3:36:56] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I see, yes, Mr. Ellens.

[3:36:59] Trustee Rogers: um um okay questions for the staff from trustees yeah

[3:37:08] Voice 13: okay yeah i i find it interesting that the

[3:37:13] Voice 13: information from island health is that they just accept the filing they don't actually have any

[3:37:18] Voice 13: standards themselves and that they rely upon the rowp to basically set the standard then from the

[3:37:26] Voice 13: sounds of it based on I guess all of their documentation so it comes down then to whether

[3:37:33] Voice 13: or not we accept their nothing to do with non-health what the ROWP says is sufficient

[3:37:41] Voice 13: so it does that mean that every time if we have a 30 meter setback any application that comes

[3:37:48] Voice 13: forward with less than that it's we just rely on the ROWP and their liability I guess for that is

[3:37:55] Voice 13: Is that accurate?

[3:37:59] Voice 2: Yeah, through the chair, yes.

[3:38:00] Voice 2: I think that's it.

[3:38:02] Voice 2: In talking with Island Health, they do not approve, certify, review.

[3:38:09] Voice 2: This is just simply they record, from what I understand,

[3:38:14] Voice 2: they record that the paperwork has come through, and then they file it,

[3:38:20] Voice 2: and that everything is the responsibility of the practitioner.

[3:38:28] Voice 2: So, you know, in this case, you know, I don't know what, you know, in speaking with Island Health, you know, I think they, it sounded like they do what they can to inform practitioners about local government regulations.

[3:38:50] Voice 2: But you need to make that call to them to get that information.

[3:38:54] Voice 2: So where the miscommunication is, or it's hard to explain that, why this application.

[3:39:07] Voice 2: And the rationale didn't really speak to why this particular location.

[3:39:13] Voice 2: It talked about that the practitioner was involved and that it's a type 2 system, but it didn't really sort of explain this specific location.

[3:39:26] Voice 2: yeah

[3:39:27] Voice 13: yeah i'm not too concerned about this application but sure it's a bigger issue

[3:39:32] Voice 13: for me in terms of rowp you know filing documents which we thought there was some sort of review or

[3:39:40] Voice 13: standard to be met and it seems open to them to decide whatever is permissible and so i mean

[3:39:46] Voice 13: what i see right now is the applicants are caught sort of between the systems you know our system

[3:39:52] Voice 13: versus the health system using the r-o-w-p the

[3:39:56] Trustee Rogers: that's i think this has been the case for about

[3:39:59] Trustee Rogers: 15 years um that they have it's all it they i think the province got basically said it's over

[3:40:08] Trustee Rogers: to the practitioners because i can recall on keats when i put mine in i was one of the last

[3:40:13] Trustee Rogers: that had to be certified by the health agency and from then on it's the the trained certified

[3:40:18] Trustee Rogers: certified registered rowp who certifies the system that's put in um and and that it meets

[3:40:27] Trustee Rogers: the standards and so it's i don't know if you call it professional reliance or what you want

[3:40:31] Trustee Rogers: to call it but that's the

[3:40:32] Trustee Rogers: that's the standard as i understand it everywhere so so basically

[3:40:37] Voice 13: in some respects it means our bylaws are sort of meaningless in terms of setbacks while our

[3:40:42] Trustee Rogers: bylaws are out of date is when it refers to island health approving an alternate system

[3:40:47] Trustee Rogers: no

[3:40:47] Voice 13: but we said a 30 meter distance in

[3:40:50] Trustee Rogers: our in our bylaw well that's the other thing that

[3:40:53] Trustee Rogers: but we did but i'm sure it was i don't know when the 30 meters came in but it was probably

[3:40:57] Trustee Rogers: developed in the in the context of a standard system as a protection to the foreshore yeah

[3:41:03] Trustee Rogers: and frankly kleiner so i don't see this as a neighbor issue so much as i see it as a foreshore

[3:41:09] Trustee Rogers: issue um and anyway i don't want to dominate the conversation because it's older and did you have

[3:41:16] Trustee Rogers: question.

[3:41:17] Trustee Colbourne: There's a sentence that kind of gets at the crux of this for me. It's on page 140. It's

[3:41:21] Trustee Colbourne: right at the start. It's the kind of sentence at the end of the report summary. The above

[3:41:25] Trustee Colbourne: recommendation is made based on the expectation that impacts on the neighboring properties

[3:41:29] Trustee Colbourne: are, will be minimal, and the variance would not be contrary to the intent of the LEB. So there's a

[3:41:35] Trustee Colbourne: grammatical thing there, but it's very important. Is it minimal or will it be minimal? And has it

[3:41:40] Trustee Colbourne: been tested at all or is there is there an ability to test this on on the on the actual

[3:41:46] Trustee Colbourne: neighboring properties or for sure um

[3:41:51] Voice 2: i can't i can't say and in thinking about this and what

[3:41:59] Voice 2: information could have been provided um well i suppose with the neighboring properties if we're

[3:42:09] Voice 2: thinking about the tanks then that's that's sort of one and they and i think and through the

[3:42:17] Voice 2: building inspection process that will be captured those tanks will need to be relocated if they are

[3:42:23] Voice 2: indeed closer than 1.5 meters when it comes to the the field um i you know we we if the

[3:42:36] Voice 2: the the notifications were sent out and we didn't hear anything and i understand maybe perhaps we're

[3:42:43] Voice 2: thinking you know there's also um our minds turn to the previous application around wells and where

[3:42:51] Voice 2: this is in proximity to um but uh you know unfortunately what i have is what i you know

[3:42:58] Voice 2: staff has provided you with is just the the um that that report that the rope wrote and um and

[3:43:07] Voice 2: that it was was just it was sort of unclear as to well you know if me perhaps at this stage is

[3:43:13] Voice 2: where more information is is requested uh it it just wasn't um straightforward enough from the

[3:43:22] Voice 2: land use bylaw if this was intended to for environmental reasons that set back to the sea

[3:43:30] Voice 2: if it was for um or you know what the background of it it was you know it was difficult to say and

[3:43:36] Voice 2: because it's not a development permit area uh you know those guidelines aren't there for us

[3:43:41] Voice 2: to to rely upon um so yeah so this is just strictly then the the the that it's it's there

[3:43:48] Voice 2: it's in the setback and the impacts to the foreshore sort of lie with the practitioner

[3:43:59] Voice 2: and the regulations that they are working under.

[3:44:04] Voice 2: Okay.

[3:44:08] Trustee Rogers: So I'm going to let the applicant, of course, Mr. Ellens, join us.

[3:44:15] Trustee Rogers: But what's implicit in this report, for me, is an assumption that because it's a Type II system, that there wouldn't be any harm that is intended to be mitigated by the 30-meter setback.

[3:44:39] Trustee Rogers: um and uh and i see that in mr ellen's report on 145 he talks a little bit about that he talks

[3:44:52] Trustee Rogers: about the fact that it's a system installed where contaminants are removed from the household

[3:44:57] Trustee Rogers: sewage to convert it into environmentally safe west wastewater i i know there's type one type

[3:45:03] Trustee Rogers: two and type three and i i'm not enough of a technician to know what the difference is but

[3:45:07] Trustee Rogers: But that's what's implicit in this report

[3:45:10] Trustee Rogers: is that the thinking of the applicant is

[3:45:14] Trustee Rogers: because it's a type two higher grade system

[3:45:18] Trustee Rogers: that that might ameliorate what that,

[3:45:21] Trustee Rogers: the setback that was trained as straight soak water,

[3:45:24] Trustee Rogers: the soak system he calls,

[3:45:25] Trustee Rogers: I never heard it referred to that, but a soakway field.

[3:45:29] Trustee Rogers: I would like to know that that's absolutely correct,

[3:45:34] Trustee Rogers: correct, although I'm quite prepared to let Mr. Allen speak to that, but I'm just not

[3:45:39] Trustee Rogers: a technician enough, you know.

[3:45:41] Voice 13: That's my understanding as well, that the type 2 does, I mean it is a much higher standard

[3:45:48] Voice 13: of septic treatment than type 1.

[3:45:51] Voice 13: I

[3:45:52] Trustee Rogers: noticed that all of the certification reports, but it's a form that it said type 1 and he,

[3:45:56] Trustee Rogers: he and the the person who filled them out in handwriting wrote two over top of them so um

[3:46:03] Trustee Rogers: we indicate that it's a type if you go look you'll see everywhere it says type one and he

[3:46:08] Trustee Rogers: hand writes two over top of them so you know assuming that's all correct and that seems to

[3:46:14] Trustee Rogers: meet the standard so the question for me that's my question but mr can i if it's especially you

[3:46:18] Trustee Rogers: don't have any questions for the planner anymore uh or do you i'll ask mr ellens to join us mr

[3:46:22] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Ellens, I saw you from the Moldavid.

[3:46:24] Trustee Rogers: You're welcome to unmute yourself.

[3:46:26] Trustee Rogers: You can turn your camera on if you wish and join us.

[3:46:34] Voice 24: Can you hear me?

[3:46:35] Voice 19: I can.

[3:46:36] Voice 19: Who am I speaking to?

[3:46:40] Voice 19: Yes, I can hear you.

[3:46:41] Voice 19: Who am I speaking to?

[3:46:43] Voice 24: Jerry Ellens.

[3:46:44] Voice 19: Hi, Jerry.

[3:46:46] Voice 19: Okay.

[3:46:47] Voice 24: Yeah, and I wish, I don't know how to get my camera on,

[3:46:51] Voice 24: but that's all right.

[3:46:54] Voice 24: As long as you can hear me.

[3:46:55] Voice 24: we

[3:46:55] Voice 19: can hear you um

[3:46:57] Voice 24: well just for clarification uh the owner of the property is my brother-in-law

[3:47:03] Voice 24: i

[3:47:05] Voice 19: see he

[3:47:05] Voice 24: wasn't able to join us today um and um we've worked closely with staff and

[3:47:15] Voice 24: um then you know the report for the support of the variants came out uh just recently

[3:47:25] Voice 24: recently, but just from his point of view that my brother-in-law, he decided to install

[3:47:35] Voice 24: a more expensive system, which is the, it's a type two system. And the, I don't know,

[3:47:45] Voice 24: it's more environmentally friendly. And he's followed all the regulations and has approval

[3:47:53] Voice 24: from health ion health and so um we uh and uh the one point is that uh it was it's uh

[3:48:03] Voice 24: not a septic field it's a nephaloon uh to it's you actually can drink the you can't drink it

[3:48:13] Voice 24: you can't you shouldn't drink it but you could it's fairly clear yeah

[3:48:18] Voice 19: i won't be

[3:48:18] Voice 19: yeah

[3:48:19] Voice 24: um so um i think that uh uh chair rogers uh uh was correct and they said that um you know that

[3:48:34] Voice 24: the i think it's 45 or 15 meters set back from a water course according to the these guys but

[3:48:42] Voice 14: it's more

[3:48:43] Voice 24: than that but um we have we have 70 feet um and um if the um uh planners thinks that

[3:48:53] Voice 24: we should um have at five feet away from the property line or 1.5 meters we will make sure

[3:49:00] Voice 24: that happens you're

[3:49:01] Trustee Rogers: talking about the the now you're talking about the tank yeah

[3:49:04] Voice 24: and just just

[3:49:06] Trustee Rogers: to be clear mr uh allen's you say you got certification from island health there is no

[3:49:11] Trustee Rogers: no island health documents in the package and i think we've heard from the planner that island

[3:49:16] Trustee Rogers: health doesn't grant certification it may be it may be in it may be in conformance with their

[3:49:23] Trustee Rogers: standards but i i don't think they've specifically signed off on this

[3:49:27] Voice 24: um i'm just petro to my wife

[3:49:31] Voice 24: here yeah

[3:49:33] Voice 14: i think the the wording you're right it's the island health doesn't certify but they

[3:49:38] Voice 14: The way the system works from the provincial sewerage body,

[3:49:44] Voice 14: the regulatory body, they have to,

[3:49:47] Voice 14: the applicant has to hire the ROWP who has to follow the guidelines

[3:49:52] Voice 14: or the mandate set out by the province, and then they file everything.

[3:49:57] Voice 14: And the other thing, part of the final filing that they file

[3:50:04] Voice 14: with Island Health has the maintenance plan that the owner

[3:50:07] Voice 14: has to sign off on right and

[3:50:09] Voice 14: I thought that that's your insurance that they're

[3:50:12] Voice 14: that they've agreed they're going to follow all of these things and do you

[3:50:16] Voice 14: know testing and so forth as as is required right so yes the terminology is

[3:50:22] Voice 14: incorrect it's not certification but it's it's it's on the on the flowchart

[3:50:28] Voice 14: the Ministry of Health is charged to oversee all of it and they have the

[3:50:34] Voice 14: directions are there you have to do this this this and then right so

[3:50:38] Trustee Rogers: can i just ask one question i

[3:50:41] Trustee Rogers: gather the house isn't built yet no

[3:50:43] Voice 24: right

[3:50:44] Trustee Rogers: so you put the septic field in first and and septic

[3:50:47] Trustee Rogers: system and

[3:50:48] Voice 24: also the hydro so right

[3:50:51] Trustee Rogers: okay okay questions from trustee for the applicant either

[3:50:54] Trustee Rogers: other either trustee nothing from trustee colburn trustee langras nothing uh well thank you for your

[3:51:02] Trustee Rogers: your comments that they don't nobody seems to have any questions so we're going to go back

[3:51:07] Trustee Rogers: into if you can mute yourself again we're going to go into our discussion about how to deal with

[3:51:11] Trustee Rogers: the application so um trustee colbert i see you on mute uh

[3:51:17] Trustee Colbourne: yeah i'm going to move that the gabriel

[3:51:20] Trustee Colbourne: just to put it out for discussion that the gabriel island local trust committee approve

[3:51:23] Trustee Colbourne: issuance of development variance permit gb dvp 2021.2 okay

[3:51:30] Trustee Rogers: and that's been seconded do you have

[3:51:32] Trustee Rogers: some discussion at

[3:51:35] Trustee Colbourne: the larger scale absolutely uh in terms of the scientific uh rigor that we provide

[3:51:41] Trustee Colbourne: the uh the environment but uh in this case um i i don't see anything in this that would

[3:51:48] Trustee Colbourne: prevent us from passing this at this point no

[3:51:52] Voice 13: and i'm happy to see that's the type 2 system

[3:51:55] Voice 13: that's going in that to me is it would it's critical i think we

[3:52:00] Trustee Rogers: can put on our long long

[3:52:02] Trustee Rogers: long list of things we'd like to address about whether there should be different setbacks for

[3:52:07] Trustee Rogers: different types of systems and i i mean i wish that i wish there'd been a little bit more

[3:52:13] Trustee Rogers: discussion in the or some sort of report from someone that said look with the type 2 system

[3:52:19] Trustee Rogers: this is what happens um and that it is but i did see mr vellans and i i'm familiar enough to know

[3:52:26] Trustee Rogers: that it is quite a different system than type one um and it does it does separate out the uh the

[3:52:34] Trustee Rogers: toxins so okay so we have a motion and yes i just

[3:52:37] Voice 13: say i have a type two system a subsurface prep so

[3:52:40] Voice 13: yeah i know so

[3:52:42] Trustee Rogers: i have a motion on the table it's been seconded any if there's no further

[3:52:44] Trustee Rogers: discussion i'll just all of them all in favor so that's been granted thank you for joining us mr

[3:52:50] Trustee Rogers: ellens and i guess mrs owens i'm not sure if that you said your wife so thanks for joining us

[3:52:56] Trustee Rogers: your development variance permit will be issued.

[3:52:58] Trustee Rogers: Thanks again from, to the planner.

[3:53:00] Voice 24: Well, thank you very much.

[3:53:02] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much, gentlemen.

[3:53:03] Trustee Rogers: We are now that's, we're now at item 10 of the agenda.

[3:53:08] Trustee Rogers: I know, I assume she's joined us.

[3:53:12] Trustee Rogers: Do you have a preference for, oh, Trustee Colburn,

[3:53:16] Trustee Rogers: you've moved over to the attendees.

[3:53:19] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, I was looking at, I'm not sure how that happens,

[3:53:22] Trustee Rogers: but if you turn your camera off,

[3:53:24] Trustee Rogers: does that just happen i don't know uh do you have any preference whether which one we do

[3:53:28] Trustee Rogers: we do first do we want to go we could usually do the land use bylaw amendments to expand community

[3:53:34] Trustee Rogers: uses or we could we could move into the housing options one i think that would be a longer

[3:53:39] Trustee Rogers: conversation i

[3:53:41] Trustee Colbourne: could be wrong uh i've been demoted and promoted again so um

[3:53:47] Trustee Rogers: oh i guess will did that

[3:53:49] Trustee Rogers: so yeah

[3:53:50] Trustee Colbourne: i missed i missed what you were saying there as i floated we're at item

[3:53:54] Trustee Rogers: 10 we've got

[3:53:54] Trustee Rogers: got two items under item 10 and i guess the question is do you have a difference whether

[3:53:59] Trustee Rogers: we deal with 10-2 before 10-1 or 10-1 before 10-2

[3:54:02] Trustee Colbourne: i'd like because we we told the um the

[3:54:04] Trustee Colbourne: the housing matters reps that we do that around too i'd like to do that first as it's now 226 or

[3:54:09] Trustee Colbourne: so it

[3:54:10] Trustee Rogers: is and i i'm i was going to suggest that as well is that okay with you trustee london

[3:54:14] Trustee Rogers: guys yep okay

[3:54:15] Trustee Rogers: so let's go to and i'm going to um welcome back planners

[3:54:21] Trustee Rogers: and i see that uh and i understand from something that was said earlier that you've asked the

[3:54:30] Trustee Rogers: uh the the uh representatives diana and toby to make a representation at some point but let's

[3:54:38] Trustee Rogers: start with you uh so we're on page 174 of the uh of the of the uh package and we'll figure out how

[3:54:50] Trustee Rogers: to move our way through this okay

[3:54:52] Planner Zupanec: i hope to help you with that it's

[3:54:56] Trustee Rogers: always helpful it's quite a

[3:54:57] Planner Zupanec: lengthy staff report i know and there's lots of pieces to it so what we've done is we've sort of

[3:55:03] Planner Zupanec: teased out the elements in support of the staff recommendations that i'll be presenting on

[3:55:07] Planner Zupanec: and Toby Elliott the chair of your housing or the previous chair of your housing advisory

[3:55:12] Planner Zupanec: planning commission will be joining me for a portion of that to explain attachment to

[3:55:18] Planner Zupanec: as part of the staff report so you had requested staff back in your at your April meeting to

[3:55:27] Planner Zupanec: provide you with an analysis to identify the recommendations from the housing advisory

[3:55:33] Planner Zupanec: Re-Plan Commission, which were based on the Working Group Report. So recommendations that

[3:55:40] Planner Zupanec: were possible to conduct in the short term, the medium term, and the long term. So I'm going to

[3:55:44] Planner Zupanec: focus on that first. I'm just going to share my screen. And this is taken from the staff report.

[3:55:56] Planner Zupanec: So of all the recommendations that were listed, we really could only find three

[3:56:02] Planner Zupanec: that we could tease out that could conceivably be addressed in the short term so there's elements of

[3:56:08] Planner Zupanec: these recommendations that would address either housing options diversity biodiversity or

[3:56:16] Planner Zupanec: freshwater protection which were all elements of your housing project and so the first being the

[3:56:23] Planner Zupanec: voluntary density reduction sort of like an outreach program that i'll get into a little

[3:56:28] Planner Zupanec: bit more as a concrete separate project the other would be looking at water conservation

[3:56:35] Planner Zupanec: public education which is more advocacy and outreach and the third being strengthening

[3:56:40] Planner Zupanec: your affordable housing multi-family criteria in the official community plan so these three

[3:56:46] Planner Zupanec: conceivably could be completed in this term so that would be prior to the end of the fiscal

[3:56:51] Planner Zupanec: in March 2022 with the resources that you currently have,

[3:56:58] Planner Zupanec: which is about $4,000 per fiscal year.

[3:57:01] Planner Zupanec: So then we categorized some of those other recommendations

[3:57:05] Planner Zupanec: as, and

[3:57:07] Voice 16: I'm just gonna switch to presentation view.

[3:57:15] Voice 16: So the medium term

[3:57:16] Planner Zupanec: projects are listed as well

[3:57:18] Planner Zupanec: in the staff report.

[3:57:19] Planner Zupanec: These are significantly more work.

[3:57:22] Planner Zupanec: They require significantly more public consultation,

[3:57:25] Planner Zupanec: consultation engagement and stakeholder participation and the budgets are also

[3:57:34] Planner Zupanec: significantly larger than anything that you have had approved so there's an element of requesting

[3:57:41] Planner Zupanec: that those resources be committed not just for one fiscal but for multiple fiscal years

[3:57:47] Planner Zupanec: and some of these could be grouped together or separated out either way even if they're

[3:57:52] Planner Zupanec: separated out as individual projects they would still require significant resources so those are

[3:57:58] Planner Zupanec: listed there these are ocp and lub amendments specifically and then the third category is also

[3:58:05] Planner Zupanec: policy and regulation changes that would address you know any of the one two or three primary

[3:58:12] Planner Zupanec: factors of your project but in excess of a budget that would require long-term planning resources

[3:58:18] Planner Zupanec: resources from the planning team as well as significant fiscal requirements so that hopefully

[3:58:28] Planner Zupanec: addresses your ask regarding how do we break up these recommendations into possible short-term

[3:58:35] Planner Zupanec: medium-term long-term options it paints a bit of a picture for you to show you there really isn't

[3:58:40] Planner Zupanec: a lot that can be done in the short term the majority of the work and the teeth of policy

[3:58:46] Planner Zupanec: and regulatory changes are significant medium and long-term endeavors and commitments which is fine

[3:58:52] Planner Zupanec: we knew that going into it but we just wanted to show you um the short-term piece is what we're

[3:58:58] Planner Zupanec: going to be focusing on so what we wanted to do is also take those lists the list of recommendations

[3:59:03] Planner Zupanec: which um these are your asks as well you had

[3:59:08] Planner Zupanec: asked us to go back and look at these five specific

[3:59:11] Planner Zupanec: One was limiting or restricting new subdivisions, short-term vacation rentals, developing more flexible zoning, encouraging voluntary density donations, and then permitting secondary suites on lots smaller than five acres with certain conditions.

[3:59:30] Planner Zupanec: So these are the general categories and recommendations.

[3:59:33] Planner Zupanec: And we wanted to plot these in terms of the potential impact could be to increase housing

[3:59:40] Planner Zupanec: diversity or biodiversity and what types of resources would be required for each of these.

[3:59:46] Planner Zupanec: So in terms of the subdivision regulations, this is an amendment to potentially both the

[3:59:51] Planner Zupanec: OCP and land use bylaw.

[3:59:52] Planner Zupanec: So not necessarily something that can be done very quickly, definitely not something that

[3:59:57] Planner Zupanec: could be achieved as is outlined in the staff

[4:00:00] Planner Zupanec: report um without those bylaw amendments and significant community consultation and public

[4:00:05] Planner Zupanec: education the short-term vacation rentals there's a whole host of options in the staff report so

[4:00:13] Planner Zupanec: we're just focusing on on one very simple one and that's that every time you consider these

[4:00:19] Planner Zupanec: temporary use permit applications that you consider whether it's in direct conflict with

[4:00:25] Planner Zupanec: the objectives of this program and this project and if it is then that you defer consideration

[4:00:30] Planner Zupanec: until you've given this project um thorough consideration as to how you can amend the ocp

[4:00:37] Planner Zupanec: and lub to address the impacts of commercial vacation rentals so that could be in the short

[4:00:42] Planner Zupanec: term is a relatively quick fix it doesn't require a lot of resources and i've provided some draft

[4:00:48] Planner Zupanec: wording in the staff report for you to consider that the third flexible zoning regulations is a

[4:00:54] Planner Zupanec: a significant undertaking. It requires a lot of public education and amendments to your current

[4:01:00] Planner Zupanec: policy and regulatory frameworks. It could be a very exciting project. The fourth is the voluntary

[4:01:06] Planner Zupanec: density donation program, which has significant potential impact in your topic areas and might

[4:01:14] Planner Zupanec: not necessarily require significant resources depending on the different options that you

[4:01:19] Planner Zupanec: pursue. And the fifth was secondary suite regulations, which also we felt fell in the

[4:01:25] Planner Zupanec: significant effort resource, but potential high impact as well. So of these five categories that

[4:01:35] Planner Zupanec: you've asked us to look at, these two really stood out as the best potential options in the short

[4:01:44] Planner Zupanec: short term for us to leverage some action within this political term within this political cycle

[4:01:50] Planner Zupanec: the fiscal cycle as well so between now and March 31st could we actually leverage some action in

[4:01:58] Planner Zupanec: the short term while we look at a longer range option and as most of you know the local trust

[4:02:05] Planner Zupanec: committee has been working since 2015 on this housing project in some shape or form and prior

[4:02:10] Planner Zupanec: prior to that as well and we've only had two significant amendments to the OCP and land use

[4:02:16] Planner Zupanec: bylaw and that's dealt specifically only with secondary suites so that's six years of work

[4:02:21] Planner Zupanec: and two relatively minor changes so if you'd like to achieve something before the the end of this

[4:02:28] Planner Zupanec: fiscal we're suggesting these two are potentially your best options moving forward so one of those

[4:02:37] Planner Zupanec: being the commercial vacation rentals this map was produced by Planner Cox as part of the analysis

[4:02:43] Planner Zupanec: of some of your temporary use permit applications recently and that gives you a good sense of the

[4:02:49] Planner Zupanec: geographic distribution and the volume of applications that you would be considering

[4:02:56] Planner Zupanec: and staff has provided a recommendation on page one of the staff report that you consider the

[4:03:03] Planner Zupanec: impact of each and every one of these applications in its ability to be in direct conflict perhaps

[4:03:09] Planner Zupanec: with the objectives of this housing project. The second option is a good news project potentially

[4:03:21] Planner Zupanec: because it's not very controversial. In this case we're looking at the survey results of which

[4:03:27] Planner Zupanec: there are approximately 50 people that indicated that they would be willing to consider either

[4:03:33] Planner Zupanec: either donating their unused density or learning more about options on their property to transfer

[4:03:40] Planner Zupanec: density to the density bank. And so staff is recommending that this type of a project is a

[4:03:46] Planner Zupanec: perfect fit for the community at this point in time. It dovetails very nicely with the Gabriel

[4:03:53] Planner Zupanec: Lands and Trails Trust Nature Stewards Program that's being launched this summer, where a

[4:03:59] Planner Zupanec: significant amount of effort by the community is being made to ensure property owners have access

[4:04:05] Planner Zupanec: to the full suite of options that they have for voluntary conservation on their property so this

[4:04:10] Planner Zupanec: is one of those options that should be communicated and can be and we could leverage um outreach

[4:04:18] Planner Zupanec: options with galt and vice versa they would be supporting this project by also promoting

[4:04:26] Planner Zupanec: promoting this particular option if you choose that so staff's provided you with two specific

[4:04:31] Planner Zupanec: recommendations pertaining to this particular option as well as a draft project charter which

[4:04:37] Planner Zupanec: is included in attachment one with a purpose to identify and work with landowners who wish to

[4:04:46] Planner Zupanec: voluntarily donate their unused density from the vacant land so we've provided some specific

[4:04:52] Planner Zupanec: objectives to this project, should you choose to pursue this, what could be considered in scope,

[4:04:59] Planner Zupanec: so that includes partnering with GALT and the Island Stress Conservancy to ensure that we're

[4:05:04] Planner Zupanec: cross-referencing each other's objectives and work, updating the density bank with the current

[4:05:10] Planner Zupanec: density that is sitting latent to be included, and then update the bank with any of the donations

[4:05:21] Planner Zupanec: that we secure and then out of scope we've just identified a few factors which you could consider

[4:05:28] Planner Zupanec: this would be limited to

[4:05:30] Voice 16: gabriela specifically so the work plan overview

[4:05:36] Planner Zupanec: that we've suggested

[4:05:37] Planner Zupanec: in attachment one fits relatively neatly with the time frame for a summer fall winter project

[4:05:45] Planner Zupanec: utilizing the full budget that you currently have allocated for the housing options review project

[4:05:55] Planner Zupanec: I'm not sure if it's a good time to take questions about this particular recommendation at this time, or if you'd like me to just keep going.

[4:06:04] Voice 16: I keep going, I think.

[4:06:06] Voice 16: Well,

[4:06:07] Trustee Rogers: I have some questions, and I see Trustee Colburn does too, so go ahead, Trustee Colburn.

[4:06:14] Trustee Colbourne: For the voluntary donation, the Honest Trust Conservancy, we had that presentation to Trust Council last week, and of course that would be one of the potential partners.

[4:06:25] Trustee Colbourne: I was wondering about NAPTEP, you know, the natural area tax exemption program and whether or not that could be presented as part of this, as this could be sort of an Islands Trust Conservancy profile lift as well to give people options for land.

[4:06:41] Trustee Colbourne: I've had three property owners in the past 10 days talk to me, not even coming from this agenda package, but with their own plans and their own priorities about this type of thing.

[4:06:53] Trustee Colbourne: So there's, I think this is incredibly exciting, but I'm, the Islands Trust Conservancy is my question.

[4:06:58] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, absolutely. The NAPTCP program is a significant information package up onto itself, and GALT will be working to promote that project.

[4:07:08] Planner Zupanec: They are under contract with the Islands Trust Conservancy to do that type of work.

[4:07:12] Planner Zupanec: There's nothing preventing our project from ensuring that those options are also being considered and vice versa.

[4:07:18] Planner Zupanec: So there's a real partnership opportunity with GALT, who's working with the Trust Conservancy, just for Gabriela to make that abundantly clear and make sure that any mapping products coming out of this potential project are usable by GALT, as well as your efforts to really explore who are these landowners, where are they, and what are the mechanisms to ensure that if they wish to do this, that that can be expedited and, you know, financially supported by this project budget.

[4:07:47] Planner Zupanec: So lots of synchronous cities there to explore.

[4:07:50] Trustee Colbourne: Okay, and I think we're on number two but I just want to ask a question about number one like what does this recommendation entail because it's kind of directed at us as the local trust committee that we should consider it.

[4:08:01] Trustee Colbourne: So, I'm just trying to work through in my head, what actually happens if this motion is is is passed because, you know, it's kind of we're considering in the in the process of doing the motion but then what happens in the in the aftermath.

[4:08:14] Trustee Colbourne: Martha.

[4:08:15] Planner Zupanec: Sure. So in the staff report, I provided you with a sample resolution that you might

[4:08:21] Planner Zupanec: consider when you're issuing temporary use permits. And that may be sufficient for you to

[4:08:27] Planner Zupanec: hold an abeyance applications. If you choose, or if you decide that that's that's an appropriate

[4:08:36] Planner Zupanec: avenue, when you're your application for a temporary use permit meets the official community

[4:08:42] Planner Zupanec: plan portions related to the temporary use permit but it's in direct conflict you feel with this

[4:08:48] Planner Zupanec: project's objectives and you want to see this through first so that resolution in the staff

[4:08:53] Planner Zupanec: report would be an option this one is simply saying it sends a message to staff processing

[4:09:00] Planner Zupanec: those applications that we can then advise applicants of temporary use permits the local

[4:09:05] Planner Zupanec: trust committee has a housing project whatever that rendition of the project ends up looking like

[4:09:10] Planner Zupanec: it will conceivably be looking at these um the linkages for temporary use permits for short for

[4:09:18] Planner Zupanec: commercial vacation rentals and and possibly result in some changes so they're they're applying

[4:09:24] Planner Zupanec: at a time where change is afoot

[4:09:26] Voice 17: so that's

[4:09:28] Planner Zupanec: what this particular direction gives us is some clarity

[4:09:32] Planner Zupanec: that you are considering that track of potential amendments and we can then provide that information

[4:09:40] Planner Zupanec: to applicants as well.

[4:09:42] Trustee Colbourne: And the other piece of this, of course,

[4:09:44] Trustee Colbourne: there was a letter writer with respect

[4:09:46] Trustee Colbourne: to one of the applications for TUP today

[4:09:48] Trustee Colbourne: for temporary use permit, who kind of said,

[4:09:50] Trustee Colbourne: the Alliance Trust isn't doing anything about CVRs,

[4:09:53] Trustee Colbourne: commercial vacation rentals,

[4:09:55] Trustee Colbourne: but we are doing proactive bylaw compliance and enforcement

[4:10:00] Trustee Colbourne: and looking at listings and everything.

[4:10:02] Trustee Colbourne: So would there be an element of this in the education

[4:10:04] Trustee Colbourne: as well if we're directing people to a TUP process?

[4:10:08] Trustee Colbourne: process. The secondary question to that is what's what's the timeframe if we put a limit if we say there's five current and three in process.

[4:10:18] Trustee Colbourne: That's my fire page you going off.

[4:10:20] Trustee Colbourne: If we if we set a limit what's the OCP timeline for that change is that still a long term process to change the OCP.

[4:10:30] Trustee Colbourne: That would not allow us to communicate that to current people in the what's called the application queue.

[4:10:35] Trustee Colbourne: you.

[4:10:38] Voice 16: I'm not sure I understand the question.

[4:10:42] Trustee Colbourne: If we if it's in the report around setting a limit

[4:10:47] Trustee Colbourne: on the number, if we can't simply pass a resolution in one meeting and set a limit on the number,

[4:10:53] Trustee Colbourne: it would have to be an OCP amendment process, right?

[4:10:56] Planner Zupanec: Oh, I see what you mean. Okay. So if that's

[4:10:59] Planner Zupanec: the option that the local trust committee chooses, you've done some analysis, presumably you've

[4:11:03] Planner Zupanec: determine that a certain number is what you're comfortable with there might be some options that

[4:11:10] Planner Zupanec: you don't need to amend the OCP in that case it could be a standing resolution that sets that

[4:11:15] Planner Zupanec: parameter for instance until you're finished the OCP review we could look into that and explore

[4:11:23] Planner Zupanec: what the legal options would be if you've met that threshold but yes of course an OCP amendment

[4:11:29] Planner Zupanec: is a significant undertaking you would expect public interest in that topic and and some

[4:11:35] Planner Zupanec: thorough analysis to support an arbitrary number that you've selected that

[4:11:41] Trustee Colbourne: was my understanding as

[4:11:42] Trustee Colbourne: well just one last question because one of the TEPs is my understanding that it's an ancillary

[4:11:47] Trustee Colbourne: benefit ancillary use to an agricultural farm and whether or not there'd be some you know to

[4:11:54] Trustee Colbourne: kind of differentiate between that a revenue stream for a small-scale farming operation

[4:12:00] Trustee Colbourne: if there'd be some flexibility allowed for that type of thing where you're you're allowing for a

[4:12:07] Trustee Colbourne: food security operation with with us with a side vacation rental which i think is the case with

[4:12:14] Trustee Colbourne: one of the existing permits sure

[4:12:18] Planner Zupanec: your official community plan can spell out which zones you

[4:12:22] Planner Zupanec: you prefer to have this use in and those zones correlate with different uses perhaps

[4:12:27] Planner Zupanec: economic uses such as agriculture you may have guidelines that that provide some real clarity

[4:12:35] Planner Zupanec: around where you expect to see support for a commercial vacation rental to occur however

[4:12:42] Planner Zupanec: the farming status of a particular property can change from year to year so that that needs to

[4:12:48] Planner Zupanec: be spelled out clearly in a permit condition that you're expecting them to uphold perhaps farm status

[4:12:54] Planner Zupanec: during the duration of the permit those are all

[4:12:56] Planner Zupanec: things that can be explored you know through this

[4:12:59] Planner Zupanec: more comprehensive review of this topic we're just trying to give you some some short-term

[4:13:03] Planner Zupanec: options to think about because we know that everything else is going to require a fulsome

[4:13:08] Planner Zupanec: legislative review that's

[4:13:12] Trustee Rogers: the longer yeah

[4:13:13] Voice 13: i just going to say that a lot size could also be a

[4:13:16] Voice 13: factor in commercial short-term vacation rentals one one thing i'd want to get clear is this

[4:13:23] Voice 13: the recommendation sounds like a standing resolution can we apply apply a condition

[4:13:32] Voice 13: and sort of standing resolution that isn't in the ocp in

[4:13:42] Voice 16: the short term yeah

[4:13:44] Voice 13: i yeah it assuming that

[4:13:47] Voice 13: You know, like, I'm assuming that if we had a project to deal with short term vacation rentals, and if that's in effect, then the standing resolution could potentially be, you know, in effect, because we are actually doing something.

[4:14:03] Voice 13: but if this if it becomes part of the the 10-year process then in effect we're saying it's

[4:14:10] Voice 13: potentially a you know a 10-year moratorium almost i'm not sure about that because the ocp only talks

[4:14:16] Voice 13: about impact on the neighborhood you know it's one of the one of the conditions conditions that

[4:14:23] Voice 13: we do look at yeah

[4:14:25] Planner Zupanec: you have to be careful that you're not fettering the discretion

[4:14:27] Planner Zupanec: yeah of the local trust committee to make decisions so in the report we're we're spelling

[4:14:33] Planner Zupanec: that out for you is that you can't put a moratorium on this you have to consider the

[4:14:37] Planner Zupanec: applications if you currently have an application process for something someone has the right to

[4:14:43] Planner Zupanec: apply they have the right for you to consider it what we're saying is we need you to consider

[4:14:47] Planner Zupanec: whether a new permit or a renewal permit is in direct conflict with whatever that project looks

[4:14:53] Planner Zupanec: looks like. Right now, there seems to be sufficient evidence to suggest that perhaps this type of a

[4:14:59] Planner Zupanec: land use is in conflict with the objectives of housing diversity and biodiversity. And so each

[4:15:06] Planner Zupanec: and every TUP on its individual merits should be weighed against whatever it is that your housing

[4:15:12] Planner Zupanec: project looks like, which you have yet to determine. So this is here because we're assuming

[4:15:16] Planner Zupanec: that you're headed in the direction of endorsing a next phase of a housing project that will look

[4:15:24] Planner Zupanec: at those issues and try to address them.

[4:15:28] Voice 13: But the real question is, how do you assess that

[4:15:31] Voice 13: impact when you get an application? What factors do you use that are applied from the project? I

[4:15:41] Voice 13: I mean, it's at a stage of idea only.

[4:15:45] Voice 13: So when we get future applications,

[4:15:48] Voice 13: do we have to go down to the project,

[4:15:52] Voice 13: determine what is that, what it's looking at,

[4:15:54] Voice 13: and how does the specifics of that one application

[4:15:57] Voice 13: fit into it?

[4:15:59] Voice 13: I'm struggling with that a bit.

[4:16:02] Planner Zupanec: Yep.

[4:16:03] Planner Zupanec: Can I-

[4:16:04] Voice 13: We

[4:16:04] Planner Zupanec: have a few questions.

[4:16:04] Planner Zupanec: We don't have that criteria established

[4:16:07] Planner Zupanec: because we don't have direction from you to do that.

[4:16:09] Planner Zupanec: we're saying at this point in time it's a commercial land use in a residential neighborhood

[4:16:14] Planner Zupanec: in a whole series of zones that permit residential use and you have a land use bylaw that permits

[4:16:21] Planner Zupanec: and accommodates tourist accommodations already so you don't have a dearth of vacation options

[4:16:29] Planner Zupanec: for tourists like some communities do where there just isn't anything available except for private

[4:16:35] Planner Zupanec: properties so you are at the helm of deciding the distribution of those land uses the intensity of

[4:16:43] Planner Zupanec: those different land uses and how compatible they are so we just touched on that in the staff report

[4:16:47] Planner Zupanec: that you do have zones that accommodate tourists you do have very generous bed and breakfast

[4:16:52] Planner Zupanec: regulations to accommodate tourists this is in addition to that and and if you're comfortable

[4:16:58] Planner Zupanec: with that distribution and that potential you know you you have this eight you know less than

[4:17:04] Planner Zupanec: intent at this time but if you're comfortable with a steady pattern towards increased commercial

[4:17:10] Planner Zupanec: vacation rentals and residential properties that's a political and community decision to be made

[4:17:15] Planner Zupanec: and that that fits squarely within the housing diversity and biodiversity discussion that we're

[4:17:22] Planner Zupanec: asking you to to possibly resource in this next phase of the project so

[4:17:27] Voice 13: it's knowing where all

[4:17:28] Voice 13: all the bnbs are that's one of the well just knowing that your

[4:17:32] Planner Zupanec: regulations permit them

[4:17:34] Planner Zupanec: almost everywhere that there's a residential use as a home occupation it's not that whether or not

[4:17:41] Planner Zupanec: they're in operation it's just knowing that the potential is there the use has been accommodated

[4:17:46] Planner Zupanec: whether they're developed or not is um is of interest but you have generous provisions already

[4:17:53] Planner Zupanec: already in your land use bylaw to allow for that economic diversity so now we're asking you know

[4:17:59] Planner Zupanec: if the focus is housing diversity for residential purposes and biodiversity are we going to be as

[4:18:06] Planner Zupanec: generous with the regulations to permit those things to flourish as well and right now that's

[4:18:12] Planner Zupanec: that's what's needs to be discussed at the community level to to see if there's a balance

[4:18:18] Planner Zupanec: that can be struck because it seems like there is an imbalance so

[4:18:23] Trustee Colbourne: yeah i was just going to

[4:18:25] Trustee Colbourne: comment about because i think we're getting into i in the interest of time because i know you have

[4:18:30] Trustee Colbourne: a lot of points you want to make too around commercial vacation rentals because you've

[4:18:34] Trustee Colbourne: been working at sort of a top level so um i don't i'm wondering if do we want to put these

[4:18:40] Trustee Colbourne: recommendations forward uh move the motions and have discussion then or or continue to kind of

[4:18:45] Trustee Colbourne: go through them one by one i

[4:18:46] Trustee Rogers: i think we need to go through the staff report and then hear from the

[4:18:50] Trustee Rogers: housing options group and then come back to the recommendations but what

[4:18:54] Trustee Rogers: else what i'm going to

[4:18:55] Trustee Rogers: say is interesting i'm finding this discussion fascinating because as you well know i i sit on

[4:19:05] Trustee Rogers: other islands and we did on one island we did exactly what you said we can't do which is we

[4:19:14] Trustee Rogers: passed a standing resolution that said we won't consider any new uh tups while we're doing this

[4:19:20] Trustee Rogers: project period we just wouldn't we would do renewals but we won't do any new ones and nobody

[4:19:27] Trustee Rogers: at any point said oh you can't do that

[4:19:30] Voice 19: nobody no

[4:19:31] Trustee Rogers: staff no applicants nothing nobody ever

[4:19:34] Trustee Rogers: questioned that so it's it's i anyway i'm just finding this a bit challenging uh in in the sense

[4:19:43] Trustee Rogers: of figuring out a way forward

[4:19:47] Trustee Rogers: where you do sort of this feint

[4:19:49] Trustee Rogers: where you go, oh, we'll consider it,

[4:19:51] Trustee Rogers: but you should know we're not going to do that.

[4:19:55] Voice 13: On Galeano, they had a project actually

[4:19:57] Voice 13: to review the short-term vacation rental.

[4:19:59] Voice 13: In fact,

[4:20:00] Voice 13: when they made that standing resolution,

[4:20:03] Voice 13: so it was clearly linked to a very concrete...

[4:20:07] Trustee Rogers: Absolutely, and it was not the first time

[4:20:10] Trustee Rogers: that there had been a moratorium there.

[4:20:12] Trustee Rogers: there had been a moratorium um some years before while they did it again so yeah anyway i um i just

[4:20:21] Trustee Rogers: find it interesting intriguing that we that that there there's a different approach to these things

[4:20:27] Trustee Rogers: um and um anyway i'll my other comments i'll come back to as we go through get to the motion so

[4:20:34] Trustee Rogers: So perhaps, can you, if you could carry on and get us to where we can, I guess, then hear from the HAPC and then also, I guess we'll hear from Mr. Langer, from Trustee Langer and then we'll come back to the various motions.

[4:21:01] Trustee Rogers: sure so we've

[4:21:05] Planner Zupanec: finished off with the project charter attachment one using the draft or the

[4:21:10] Planner Zupanec: budget that you currently have approved and staff is recommending that we can utilize those funds

[4:21:14] Planner Zupanec: and leverage them to execute this particular project specifically and address all three

[4:21:19] Planner Zupanec: of your target areas which includes biodiversity affordable housing and potentially fresh water

[4:21:26] Planner Zupanec: protection as well so a really neat and tidy potential project that we hope that you will

[4:21:30] Planner Zupanec: also see the benefits in to complete in this fiscal so attachment two of your staff report

[4:21:38] Planner Zupanec: um is prepared by diane dunsmore farley and toby elliott which are both members of your

[4:21:45] Planner Zupanec: housing advisory planning commission this is a quote from attachment two specifically that

[4:21:50] Planner Zupanec: really prefaces the document and the structure of a very unique land use planning program it's

[4:21:59] Planner Zupanec: not a project it's a multi-year program that's being recommended and so i just wanted to make

[4:22:05] Planner Zupanec: sure that this sort of prefaces this next part of the discussion and i'll ask toby to

[4:22:10] Planner Zupanec: to join in to speak to the document attachment to um because this would require a significant

[4:22:18] Planner Zupanec: departure as well from how we tend to do land use planning which as i mentioned since 2015

[4:22:25] Planner Zupanec: I have been assigned to this particular project for Gabriola and it's resulted into two amendments

[4:22:32] Planner Zupanec: one to the OCP went to the land use bylaw and so we could continue to pick away for the next six

[4:22:38] Planner Zupanec: years with this type of structure of funding and case one-off OCP and LAV amendments or what's

[4:22:47] Planner Zupanec: being proposed now is that we look at that long list of medium and long-term objectives and

[4:22:53] Planner Zupanec: recommendations that came out of the consultation work done earlier this year and actually address

[4:22:58] Planner Zupanec: them together and that's where this program recommendation comes from

[4:23:05] Voice 17: which

[4:23:06] Planner Zupanec: is being

[4:23:09] Planner Zupanec: recommended to be called the gabriel island biocultural and housing diversity project proposal

[4:23:15] Planner Zupanec: proposal and I will ask if Toby can be promoted that she can preface it for you and then we are

[4:23:23] Planner Zupanec: able to speak to the staff recommendations in the staff report that follow this which I can

[4:23:29] Planner Zupanec: I'll just pull up on the screen so you see here those are in the staff report related to this

[4:23:36] Planner Zupanec: particular project we'll bounce back to these afterwards but I'll just go back to attack the

[4:23:41] Planner Zupanec: the excerpt from Attachment 2, and asked Toby to join in.

[4:23:48] Voice 21: Hi.

[4:23:48] Trustee Rogers: You're right here.

[4:23:49] Voice 21: I saw her.

[4:23:50] Voice 8: Thank you.

[4:23:50] Voice 8: I've got, I'm unmuted.

[4:23:55] Voice 8: I may

[4:23:56] Trustee Rogers: need to share my,

[4:23:56] Voice 8: could I share my screen as well?

[4:24:00] Voice 8: I just want to flip through a couple of notes that might be helpful.

[4:24:04] Voice 8: Sure.

[4:24:05] Voice 8: Hello, everyone.

[4:24:07] Voice 8: I'll try to keep this short, thanks for the opportunity to present.

[4:24:10] Voice 8: This was really a collaborative effort in struggling with the clear messages that we heard from the community that both biodiversity protection and community diversity protection needs to be addressed.

[4:24:28] Voice 8: addressed we really wrestled with this as well as not feeling we could adequately

[4:24:35] Voice 8: do this the work in the spirit of reconciliation that the trust is is really focused on and so

[4:24:44] Voice 8: between Diane and I we we were batting this about and planner Sonia contributed a lot as well so

[4:24:52] Voice 8: this is a really a group effort and it's it's the result of a lot of thought so I'll just take you

[4:24:57] Voice 8: through a few brief points if i could um sharing my screen uh and i'll it's just it's a powerpoint

[4:25:08] Voice 8: but it's it's really to i'm sorry powerpoint sneak how do i make it play from the start

[4:25:18] Voice 8: um yeah so it's a proposal um so we know that needing to plan human habitation while respecting

[4:25:26] Voice 8: the limits of the environment is the reason that the trust is created the mandate is clear

[4:25:31] Voice 8: the challenges have always been clear but every term of trustees seems to run up against the same

[4:25:38] Voice 8: problem of how and it always comes down to this either or approach

[4:25:45] Voice 8: of either the environment is protected through setting aside parklands and conservation areas

[4:25:53] Voice 8: And then we, but we continue to plan human habitat habitation in the way that we've always planned it so really this historic trend has not served, either the communities, or the ecology and so we need to take a holistic lens that takes them both into

[4:26:14] Voice 8: consideration and honestly with the eco crisis that we're in the work needs to be done quickly

[4:26:20] Voice 8: and so a single program that would bring all those stakeholders together to address the

[4:26:27] Voice 8: recommendations just to remind you these are the housing working groups four main recommendations

[4:26:32] Voice 8: and really two of them are create a strategy around biodiversity loss groundwater loss

[4:26:40] Voice 8: one is to create a strategy around affordable housing and the other was how do we manage growth

[4:26:46] Voice 8: and these are huge asks and and we we know that trustees uh you're this is the work right

[4:26:54] Voice 8: so um the final recommendation was to enhance governance and oversight capacity through the

[4:27:01] Voice 8: creation of at the time we called it this growth planning commission um and seek to address

[4:27:07] Voice 8: reconciliation and climate change mitigation efforts. We know we're in a climate crisis,

[4:27:12] Voice 8: we're also in a housing crisis, and we need to do both. And calls for collaborative action have been

[4:27:19] Voice 8: pretty consistent from the Weller Report 2009. Gabriela specifically needs to work with different

[4:27:27] Voice 8: government agencies and across jurisdictions because we're in the RDN and in unceded

[4:27:35] Voice 8: it's an anemic territory and the Islands Trust area. So this is really the ideal place to trial

[4:27:41] Voice 8: a program like this. This could be, and think of it as a program because this is the place where

[4:27:49] Voice 8: stuff gets done. So it's an action-oriented approach. It's not the place where we're going to,

[4:27:56] Voice 8: we know what the problems are and we have all the staff and the data and the resources available,

[4:28:02] Voice 8: but it's spread among these different groups and stakeholders.

[4:28:06] Voice 8: So this is a program, the house where it all gets done

[4:28:09] Voice 8: and people are speaking together,

[4:28:11] Voice 8: as well as enabling meaningful engagement

[4:28:14] Voice 8: and collaboration with Synonymic First Nation.

[4:28:17] Voice 8: So we proposed that there be four sustaining partners.

[4:28:23] Voice 8: They would be the Synonymic First Nation,

[4:28:26] Voice 8: Islands Trust Conservancy,

[4:28:28] Voice 8: the Regional District of Nanaimo Area B,

[4:28:30] Voice 8: and of course the um gabriel local trust committee all stakeholders would be partners who would have

[4:28:38] Voice 8: a stake in the process um they would really be setting the objectives and wanting to see those

[4:28:45] Voice 8: outcomes for their own programs right so so we don't want it to be hostage to any one

[4:28:51] Voice 8: objective the four partners would set those objectives together um yeah it's kind of just

[4:29:00] Voice 8: do and then additionally we could work uh with synonymic first nation on their community

[4:29:06] Voice 8: priorities um such as maybe a land-based learning initiative incorporating traditional ecological

[4:29:13] Voice 8: knowledges and supporting the development of cultural heritage in specific sites so

[4:29:19] Voice 8: it really should be a collaborative effort and the other goal this is just from my observation

[4:29:27] Voice 8: and many others, is that it would really alleviate the pressure from trustees year to year who are

[4:29:36] Voice 8: subject to this tug of war between the two incredibly important priorities. So keeping

[4:29:43] Voice 8: this as a non-partisan program that would run over, let's say, 10 years or five years,

[4:29:50] Voice 8: however long it takes, the program is where the objectives are set and get done,

[4:29:56] Voice 8: And then trustees can year to year.

[4:30:00] Voice 8: year, align themselves and their mandates with the program or not. The program can continue to run

[4:30:06] Voice 8: and it's not going to be just seen as a personal agenda of any one set of trustees. And so we could

[4:30:12] Voice 8: maybe stop this needless tug of war. And I really, I believe strongly that

[4:30:22] Voice 8: we cannot undertake any work in land use planning as we know without the spirit of an action of

[4:30:31] Voice 8: reconciliation and so taking a biocultural lens which I'll get into really incorporates the

[4:30:41] Voice 8: the knowledge that traditional peoples and biodiversity work together to enhance a place

[4:30:50] Voice 8: you cannot separate culture and people from the place and so as a colonial um structure the

[4:30:57] Voice 8: islands trust we've said our our we've sort of separated those and now it's like can we bring

[4:31:03] Voice 8: these together and actually incorporate traditional ecological knowledge so that um we can start

[4:31:11] Voice 8: living in this landscape the way that coast salish people have been doing since time and as well it

[4:31:19] Voice 8: would be an amazing opportunity for relationship building. This program could be a really good

[4:31:26] Voice 8: place to start actively working with Senemuk. I know trustees have been doing great work

[4:31:32] Voice 8: on small areas but this is something that really brings it together and so I've outlined an

[4:31:39] Voice 8: objective that could be incorporated to meaningfully engage with Senemuk First Nation

[4:31:44] Voice 8: at every stage of the program. So it's just a really good opportunity. So what is biocultural

[4:31:52] Voice 8: diversity? When we were first starting about discussing this idea, we thought, well, we're

[4:31:59] Voice 8: going to focus on biological diversity and housing diversity. And it was another researcher,

[4:32:06] Voice 8: an academic who's very, very well versed in this area. She said, you know, think about this and

[4:32:13] Voice 8: start looking at biocultural diversity and so it's really the study of anthropology and biology

[4:32:20] Voice 8: so it's bringing science to the study of people and culture and how humans interact with the

[4:32:27] Voice 8: natural space in which they live and what's been found is areas of high biological diversity

[4:32:34] Voice 8: have human activity they don't they're not separate but they interact together and so it's

[4:32:40] Voice 8: this study of how humans and nature affect and implicate one another so there's a linkage there

[4:32:52] Voice 8: so there's more detail in the paper there's lots of literature I can bring to you

[4:32:57] Voice 8: but really I think this is at the vanguard of the science of how humans can live in

[4:33:05] Voice 8: sensitive ecosystems and so I urge you to take a look at this I am not an authority so I just

[4:33:12] Voice 8: I'm just saying this could be the approach that could satisfy that sustainability objective

[4:33:19] Voice 8: um I think this is in the paper but just wanted to point out that biocultural thinking

[4:33:26] Voice 8: by its nature is inclusive towards different ways of knowing and valuing the world

[4:33:32] Voice 8: And so this is getting back to Snanaimik and Coast Salish peoples who have another way of knowing the land and how can we honor that?

[4:33:42] Voice 8: Well, this is a way of thinking and an approach that could that could meet that.

[4:33:48] Voice 8: So it's outlined in the paper fairly well.

[4:33:52] Voice 8: We'll just go over it. Just a proposed structure.

[4:33:58] Voice 8: It's up to you how this is structured of course but we propose that seats on the task force would be from each specific sector so two to three. If there's four sustaining partners that could be eight at minimum.

[4:34:11] Voice 8: There could be two more let's say from community groups like Galt, or the Gabriel Allen Chamber of Commerce, and the work would actually be done though by a paid program consultant.

[4:34:23] Voice 8: consultant, and then using the resources from the Islands Trust. The joint nature is key.

[4:34:32] Voice 8: Again, going back to this nonpartisan part, it can't be held hostage to any one interest group

[4:34:40] Voice 8: or agency, but it's going to address them all holistically. So it's really got to be a

[4:34:45] Voice 8: collaborative effort. So if it was to work with the RDN, for example, the RDN could contribute

[4:34:52] Voice 8: new types and forms of building, investigation into tiny homes, which Director Vanessa Craig

[4:34:58] Voice 8: has already asked staff to look into. And so they could bring in the capacity and the knowledge and

[4:35:04] Voice 8: information that they have in their area. Islands Trust Conservancy, the ITC, could set targets

[4:35:12] Voice 8: for voluntary initiatives to protect the environment on private lands. So, you know,

[4:35:19] Voice 8: we we say we we should set target targets on biodiversity loss but how do we how do we map

[4:35:24] Voice 8: that out well island trust conservancy has the mapping software so um how do we uh oh and that's

[4:35:33] Voice 8: it so it's a proposal um you know we're not the greatest brains on the planet but we have been

[4:35:40] Voice 8: working for two years to really um hear from the community about what is important and this is the

[4:35:48] Voice 8: only thing that we could come up with that was reasonably close to uh to meeting the the

[4:35:55] Voice 8: requirements so it's ambitious but i think there's no better place to do it than on gabriel island

[4:36:00] Voice 8: and uh yeah so welcome your questions and thoughts okay

[4:36:07] Trustee Rogers: so what i'm going to propose is that we we

[4:36:09] Trustee Rogers: have a few questions if you have any right now and specific questions not not necessarily a

[4:36:15] Trustee Rogers: a discussion about this, but because that's part of the staff report is because it's in the staff

[4:36:20] Trustee Rogers: report. But if you have questions for the member of the Housing Advisory Planning Commission in

[4:36:28] Trustee Rogers: this proposal, do you have questions? Trustee Langer, do you have a question?

[4:36:32] Voice 13: Yeah, just one

[4:36:33] Voice 13: question. The concept of this group, this commission would be going for five to 10 years.

[4:36:41] Voice 13: they would over that time then would pull together all aspects of all the components and then come

[4:36:47] Voice 13: forward with a suite of changes that are potential for the local trust committee is that the intent

[4:36:55] Voice 8: well um i would imagine

[4:36:58] Voice 8: that it would be important for all the partners to set the objectives

[4:37:03] Voice 8: together so say for the first two years starting from you know if you decide to go forward with

[4:37:09] Voice 8: this proposal maybe the first year is setting the framework and hearing from each partner okay what

[4:37:16] Voice 8: do you want to get done what is in your regional uh planning strategy rdn what are the what are

[4:37:22] Voice 8: the gaps what are the challenges right putting all that information together and then together

[4:37:26] Voice 8: the program would set its objectives for the next two years four years five years eight years and

[4:37:34] Voice 8: And there should be a reporting process back to each of the sustaining partners and out to the

[4:37:41] Voice 8: community. Communication is really going to be a key part of this, I believe. And so, yeah, I mean,

[4:37:50] Voice 8: some of the targets could take a really long time. Let's say you want to map biodiversity loss,

[4:37:56] Voice 8: and that's going to take two years to set up. And for the next 10 years, you do a baseline mapping

[4:38:03] Voice 8: and you set targets and that is that aspect of the program so this is just a program that sort

[4:38:09] Voice 8: of is the container to hold all of those objectives I think each of the projects within

[4:38:15] Voice 8: the program could take you know however long they need to take and

[4:38:21] Trustee Rogers: I assume it's been iterative if

[4:38:23] Trustee Rogers: you guys if the if the group got together and at some point said you know we really want to

[4:38:28] Trustee Rogers: recommend to the LTC that or to the regional district in Nanaimo or or that they do this

[4:38:34] Trustee Rogers: you could do that you don't have to wait until the um uh yeah yeah so I mean but I hear so it's

[4:38:42] Trustee Rogers: not I didn't read it to be oh you work for eight years and then come forward and say here's all

[4:38:48] Trustee Rogers: the changes you should make it's more

[4:38:50] Trustee Rogers: it's more iterative than that and I don't want to I don't

[4:38:54] Trustee Rogers: want to overuse that word because it's so it's so trendy these days but uh but i

[4:38:59] Voice 8: would say action

[4:39:01] Voice 8: oriented so your short medium

[4:39:02] Voice 8: long-term goals um but the things that can't be sufficiently addressed

[4:39:06] Voice 8: by any one agency like regulations for tiny homes we all know that small units that are not

[4:39:15] Voice 8: necessarily tied to the purchase of land and real estate would support a middle of the community

[4:39:22] Voice 8: community sort of sector. But tiny homes don't have building codes yet. That is something in

[4:39:29] Voice 8: process. So you'd need to work with the RDN. Where are you at in terms of building codes?

[4:39:34] Voice 8: What do we need to research? What are the water, the septic regulations? All of these things could

[4:39:39] Voice 8: be, can only be addressed if it's a collaborative effort. So I'm not promoting any one project.

[4:39:46] Voice 8: It's just, I think the nature of the challenge is that we need collaboration to make it, to make it work.

[4:39:55] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, trustee Cole.

[4:39:57] Trustee Colbourne: So, I wanted to raise the question that former trustee, Deb Ferens did about the, I think my questions are maybe more the planner because they're a little bit more technical nature thank you for all the incredible background work and just the work period,

[4:40:10] Trustee Colbourne: but in terms of commission um how how does that you know the the limitations or the definitions

[4:40:17] Trustee Colbourne: of commission work with a program like this slash you know we're used to doing projects right yeah

[4:40:23] Planner Zupanec: so that's a really good point i think we need to drop the word commission out of the discussion

[4:40:28] Planner Zupanec: right now that housing advisory planning commission would likely be replaced by this

[4:40:35] Planner Zupanec: you know you have your APC which is just a general advisory planning commission

[4:40:39] Planner Zupanec: the housing advisory planning commission would run itself run its course once it provided advice

[4:40:46] Planner Zupanec: into this process if you agree to go this route and then be replaced by a joint task force which

[4:40:52] Planner Zupanec: is very different than the HAPC's role but it would suffice to provide the same level of advice

[4:41:00] Planner Zupanec: back to the local trust committee

[4:41:02] Planner Zupanec: and the other sustaining partners

[4:41:03] Planner Zupanec: in terms of what the strategic goals and priorities are

[4:41:08] Planner Zupanec: and where you can leverage your project list

[4:41:13] Planner Zupanec: and budget asks to address those strategic goals

[4:41:17] Planner Zupanec: in the short, medium and long-term.

[4:41:19] Planner Zupanec: So you won't require an HAPC

[4:41:22] Planner Zupanec: because this joint task force actually addresses

[4:41:26] Planner Zupanec: Ms. Farren's ecological advisory planning commission

[4:41:29] Planner Zupanec: to some extent you won't be you know you will not be referring applications to this joint task

[4:41:35] Planner Zupanec: force to review to give you feedback on whether or not to approve or rezoning for example

[4:41:41] Planner Zupanec: totally different but you would know that you have a body of advisors to ensure that the work

[4:41:51] Planner Zupanec: of this strategic plan is actually being undertaken and that all the sustaining partners

[4:41:55] Planner Zupanec: partners are incorporating those strategic goals into their work plans on an annual basis on a

[4:42:01] Planner Zupanec: political term basis and being accountable to each other as to why they're not. So if the local trust

[4:42:07] Planner Zupanec: committee gets elected and they decide that this joint task force, you know, has some great

[4:42:12] Planner Zupanec: strategic goals, they might ensure that all their project recommendations to the long-range planning

[4:42:19] Planner Zupanec: team for Gabriola are only projects that are on that wish list that the joint task force has

[4:42:24] Planner Zupanec: as identified as what they're sort of babysitting to make sure is implemented.

[4:42:29] Planner Zupanec: And that they're accountable to the other partners to say,

[4:42:33] Planner Zupanec: this is how much money we're promoting, we're putting towards these projects.

[4:42:36] Planner Zupanec: Or we've initiated the tax requisition to ensure that the consultants

[4:42:41] Planner Zupanec: financially paid for, and that's the contribution that you're willing to make.

[4:42:45] Planner Zupanec: Every partner will have different contributions.

[4:42:48] Planner Zupanec: And I think Islands Trust is positioned well from the land use planning sphere

[4:42:52] Planner Zupanec: to ensure that there's some level of staffing financial support and initiating any tax

[4:42:58] Planner Zupanec: requisitions to the benefit of gabriel island residents exclusively to address the two core

[4:43:03] Planner Zupanec: issues that you have for years stated are at the crux of your authority land use planning

[4:43:14] Trustee Colbourne: yeah which is morphing in a lot of places to the land relationship planning i think that gets at

[4:43:18] Trustee Colbourne: more of the sort of the concepts are being expressed here i think it's important that we

[4:43:22] Trustee Colbourne: don't put too much um especially when when we're approaching a first nation and some nation

[4:43:28] Trustee Colbourne: specifically that there's not here's the bundle what do you think you're going and creating a safe

[4:43:33] Trustee Colbourne: respectful space for dialogue and then and then taking the program from there yeah at this stage

[4:43:38] Trustee Colbourne: in most meetings and everyone here will have seen it i start to jump up and down and say we need to

[4:43:42] Trustee Colbourne: review the ocp and i'm just wondering how this you know counterbalances this approach counterbalances

[4:43:49] Trustee Colbourne: or or could work with that or because these these would result in sizable changes we've got an OCP

[4:43:54] Trustee Colbourne: that you know has some inconsistencies with with within itself in the land use bios and also

[4:44:00] Trustee Colbourne: with sort of what we've learned from a reconciliation point of view and also from

[4:44:04] Trustee Colbourne: a science point of view we're in 2021 so can I just pause that

[4:44:07] Trustee Rogers: question for a moment because I

[4:44:08] Trustee Rogers: found out that Lisa Wilcox is with us and would like to ask a question and I don't want to sort

[4:44:14] Trustee Rogers: of morph from the discussion about the tsunamic and she she asked if she could ask a question

[4:44:18] Trustee Rogers: question and then we'll come back to her yeah

[4:44:21] Trustee Colbourne: so

[4:44:23] Trustee Rogers: Lisa do you want to join us I know you're here

[4:44:25] Trustee Rogers: there you are yeah

[4:44:28] Voice 6: Chuck maha Queen's just coming to you from the quongan territory

[4:44:34] Voice 6: um thank you just through the chair I just wanted to ask if you um or your team had familiarized

[4:44:43] Voice 6: yourself with the work that the island's trust is undertaken in regards to reconciliation if you had

[4:44:49] Voice 6: read the reconciliation report that had just been tabled back in march and then a few trust

[4:44:55] Voice 6: councils before that we had also tabled the dialogue paper on truth precedes reconciliation

[4:45:01] Voice 6: i just wanted to know if you had worked in at looking through those things and seen what the

[4:45:08] Voice 6: islands trust has undertaken over the last uh two and a half years thank you

[4:45:13] Voice 8: i've been very

[4:45:14] Voice 8: very appreciative um thank you uh lisa i've been i have read um the truth proceeds reconciliation

[4:45:21] Voice 8: report and document and um i yeah i've been extremely appreciative of the work that

[4:45:29] Voice 8: trustees have done on a personal level and the trust as a whole has undertaken to do meaningful

[4:45:35] Voice 8: and long-standing engagement and so i've tried to reflect that in this in the spirit of this

[4:45:43] Voice 8: program and not at all saying that you're not doing the work um if land use planning is to be

[4:45:50] Voice 8: done I think it should be in that in the spirit that you're doing it so yeah thank you for your

[4:45:58] Voice 8: work

[4:45:58] Voice 6: okay oh yeah thank you thanks

[4:46:01] Trustee Rogers: Lisa uh sorry back to your question trustee Colburn about how

[4:46:05] Trustee Rogers: this morphs into your desire to have an OCP review or

[4:46:10] Trustee Colbourne: yeah how they could work together or or you

[4:46:13] Trustee Colbourne: you know, especially at the regional planning team, you know, taking on more projects as they

[4:46:16] Trustee Colbourne: clear the decks of previous things.

[4:46:18] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, exactly. So we're quite concerned that

[4:46:22] Planner Zupanec: you will continue to have to pick away at individual pieces if you're relying on in-house

[4:46:29] Planner Zupanec: resources. Therefore, this has to be an exercise of a sort of that extraordinary category that's

[4:46:35] Planner Zupanec: been described in the restructuring of resources. Everything that, you know, is extraordinary and

[4:46:40] Planner Zupanec: and large, like what you're describing, an OCP overhaul or review, would require a consultant

[4:46:46] Planner Zupanec: to come in and do that work. So this project would have potentially that lead person who is

[4:46:54] Planner Zupanec: reporting back to everybody, including the LTC, is on behalf of you conducting that exercise and

[4:47:01] Planner Zupanec: that work and pulling in the resources to ensure that that work can be completed. And we are

[4:47:09] Planner Zupanec: are somewhat arm's length to a consultant to leverage whatever resources we have in the

[4:47:15] Planner Zupanec: current planning or in the project planning realms in-house to make sure that it fits in

[4:47:22] Planner Zupanec: with the Gabriola work plan. Clearly, on an annual basis, you are permitted to undertake

[4:47:28] Planner Zupanec: project work. That's been the pattern since I've worked here. We don't foresee that changing.

[4:47:34] Planner Zupanec: nobody's been withheld from accessing resources to do projects it's the extent and complexity of

[4:47:41] Planner Zupanec: those projects that is limited and and we've discovered that through this housing project

[4:47:47] Planner Zupanec: is that you can miss out on accessing resources because of timing or whatever the case may be

[4:47:54] Planner Zupanec: and this program would hopefully eliminate that potential because it would be an annual

[4:48:02] Planner Zupanec: focus of funding to ensure that these strategic goals are met and that the commitment from the

[4:48:08] Planner Zupanec: Islands Trust and the Gabriel Local Trust Committee is to ensure the sustainability of

[4:48:14] Planner Zupanec: that program through whatever financial means is necessary, leveraging funds from outside of

[4:48:20] Planner Zupanec: the organization, fundraising through or accessing grants, but also using your project funds that you

[4:48:28] Planner Zupanec: have access to to make sure that this is completed and an ocp review is a significant

[4:48:35] Planner Zupanec: portion of what we anticipate this project and program to achieve at the end of the day

[4:48:43] Planner Zupanec: everything on that medium and long-term chart that's in your staff report are potential

[4:48:48] Planner Zupanec: deliverables and potential review projects that would come back to you as options to

[4:48:58] Planner Zupanec: resource and consider in your deliberations you still have complete authority over which pieces

[4:49:04] Planner Zupanec: get done in any given political term but you're accountable to a larger group of comprehensive

[4:49:11] Planner Zupanec: sort of planning to ensure that that work is completed and

[4:49:18] Trustee Colbourne: chair rogers you in the last

[4:49:20] Trustee Colbourne: meeting spoke made a commitment to to find out about funding options and so as we discuss this

[4:49:27] Trustee Colbourne: and we sort of talked because I've really noticed that the RDN's watershed and drinking water

[4:49:34] Trustee Colbourne: protection program which had passed its 10-year strategic plan and now is into a second 10-year

[4:49:39] Trustee Colbourne: that is incredible because it's got that long-term stable funding and staffing and it forms the

[4:49:44] Trustee Colbourne: connections in the community and senior levels of government and with nations as well and that

[4:49:49] Trustee Colbourne: that seems much better than this piecemeal approach that that planners you must talk about

[4:49:53] Trustee Colbourne: So do you do is this a good time to kind of bring back anything that you've learned in terms of funding options or I

[4:49:59] Trustee Rogers: can do that right now.

[4:50:02] Trustee Rogers: So, I mean, I agree with you that it's it's the piecemeal funding process process and the trust is challenged.

[4:50:13] Trustee Rogers: And my I'll just give you a general reaction.

[4:50:17] Trustee Rogers: It is going to be a very challenging conversation at Trust Council to have a proposal for a

[4:50:22] Trustee Rogers: substantive funding that is anticipated to be multi-year.

[4:50:28] Trustee Rogers: You may recall, and I'm not saying it won't happen, that would only affect one island

[4:50:34] Trustee Rogers: effectively.

[4:50:35] Trustee Rogers: I mean, it may have spinoff benefits, but it's effectively intended for one local trust

[4:50:40] Trustee Rogers: community.

[4:50:40] Trustee Rogers: Now, I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm just saying that that will be a challenging conversation

[4:50:45] Trustee Rogers: conversation um because uh you know we well we just gave large amounts to two programs on

[4:50:53] Trustee Rogers: salt spring uh they have a very defined time frame and are not intended to be this this has a much

[4:51:00] Trustee Rogers: more of a feel like swipa uh than it does anything else and i know it's not the same it's a different

[4:51:07] Trustee Rogers: and a different creature but so here but here's what i can tell you about uh the conversations

[4:51:13] Trustee Rogers: conversations I did have, along with the RPM, about funding opportunities.

[4:51:22] Trustee Rogers: It's ephemeral.

[4:51:23] Trustee Rogers: I think if you have large funding applications, you should probably do exactly what the report

[4:51:29] Trustee Rogers: says, is if you want to get something that goes forward for a larger project, the process

[4:51:39] Trustee Rogers: seems to have now become put a business case together, put it to trust counsel, get it

[4:51:43] Trustee Rogers: through Trust Pass. Get it in the budget. And we've seen a couple of examples of that in the

[4:51:50] Trustee Rogers: last year. And that's an option. However, I know that on an ongoing basis, that if we had smaller

[4:52:03] Trustee Rogers: asks, such as, let's say, a second $4,000, that's likely to get approved. And in this current fiscal

[4:52:14] Trustee Rogers: year even though the messaging is you won't it is likely to get approved um it was a very it was a

[4:52:21] Trustee Rogers: very interesting conversation we had uh because the answer was basically well i'm not going to

[4:52:27] Trustee Rogers: say no to an ltc as if it's a if they have made a specific request and we'll just find the funding

[4:52:33] Trustee Rogers: so you know i i think the bigger containment bucket is not so much that i like if we wanted

[4:52:41] Trustee Rogers: to do two of the three things that were listed as the short-term objectives this year i don't think

[4:52:47] Trustee Rogers: it's so much that we couldn't that they there couldn't be another four thousand dollars found

[4:52:51] Trustee Rogers: for example i think that can be done it's more about how does staff capacity deal with that um

[4:52:57] Trustee Rogers: and that's i noted that for example i forget it wasn't about that particular issue it was about

[4:53:03] Trustee Rogers: something else but it was was in your report that you talked about there's no capacity to to take a

[4:53:10] Trustee Rogers: to take a staff person attached and attach them to another part of a project because everybody's

[4:53:18] Trustee Rogers: flat out and uh it's and so it's more that so when we get to the conversation in the beginning

[4:53:24] Trustee Rogers: at that of the various motions that are in front of us and that can come up and the the recommendations

[4:53:30] Trustee Rogers: my view is going to be um first of all i think if you want to do a larger project you should do

[4:53:36] Trustee Rogers: exactly what the staff has recommended, put a business case together, get it funded fully by

[4:53:41] Trustee Rogers: itself and get that done. If you want to do some short-term things, I think it's possible to

[4:53:47] Trustee Rogers: consider spending more than just the $4,000. I think that's quite doable, but it's going to be

[4:53:53] Trustee Rogers: a staff capacity issue. And I don't know how the system is going to react to a multi-year program

[4:54:02] Trustee Rogers: that's not necessarily a trust-wide project,

[4:54:08] Trustee Rogers: but rather is an LTC-specific project.

[4:54:11] Trustee Rogers: I just don't know how that's going to fly

[4:54:13] Trustee Rogers: because I don't think we've ever seen one.

[4:54:16] Trustee Rogers: We've seen multi-year projects, for sure,

[4:54:20] Trustee Rogers: but they've always been a sort of a trust-wide project.

[4:54:23] Trustee Rogers: And an LTC, or like SWIPA,

[4:54:27] Trustee Rogers: they're funded by a tax requisition on Salt Spring.

[4:54:31] Trustee Rogers: um and so that's that's how they that's how just the way it's been so i don't know what the reaction

[4:54:37] Trustee Rogers: is going to be i you know as as convinced as i am but as i might be by the argument that this

[4:54:44] Trustee Rogers: is a great model to go forward and it's completely in line with our cooperate with others we're going

[4:54:49] Trustee Rogers: to you know and how do we do this etc etc and all the stakeholders it makes tons of sense i just

[4:54:53] Trustee Rogers: have no but so that's a long way to answer your question i hope that's of some help

[4:55:00] Trustee Colbourne: yeah um it

[4:55:03] Trustee Colbourne: does and it kind of aligns with what i was thinking as well and okay in in terms of timing

[4:55:09] Trustee Colbourne: here chair i i just don't know how to approach with what we've got left and what we have to do

[4:55:14] Trustee Colbourne: i

[4:55:16] Trustee Rogers: don't think we can not deal with for example uh the um uh the connected coast matter

[4:55:25] Trustee Rogers: I think we have to deal with that. There may be some other matters we don't have to deal with,

[4:55:31] Trustee Rogers: but I think we have to deal with that. But here's my question for Trustee Langeres. There's a

[4:55:35] Trustee Rogers: substantive report or analysis that's here, which I've read, and I'm not necessarily seeing the

[4:55:46] Trustee Rogers: direct connection between it and the staff report, but I wanted to know from Trustee Langeres what

[4:55:52] Trustee Rogers: what he says he wanted to do or what he proposes

[4:55:56] Trustee Rogers: that we do with his report and how he sees it

[4:56:01] Trustee Rogers: tying into the staff report and recommendations

[4:56:04] Trustee Rogers: because, and then we can, so we could do that

[4:56:07] Trustee Rogers: and then go back to the recommendations

[4:56:10] Trustee Rogers: and the staff reports, but I wanted, it's on the agenda.

[4:56:13] Trustee Rogers: So I'm going to give Trustee Longress

[4:56:14] Trustee Rogers: a moment to speak to that.

[4:56:17] Voice 16: You're muted, Case.

[4:56:22] Voice 16: It

[4:56:23] Voice 13: was my analysis of the survey that started.

[4:56:26] Voice 13: I mean, I got the survey, I had questions about it,

[4:56:29] Voice 13: and I said I would provide analysis.

[4:56:32] Voice 13: And we talked previously about the process

[4:56:34] Voice 13: of how it came about here.

[4:56:35] Voice 13: So I had some questions about how valid is the survey.

[4:56:44] Voice 13: So there was questions around that.

[4:56:46] Voice 13: So I had to raise it because-

[4:56:51] Voice 19: I'm not criticizing you, Gase.

[4:56:52] Voice 19: I'm just asking

[4:56:53] Trustee Rogers: what you would like us to do

[4:56:54] Trustee Rogers: if you have something you'd like us

[4:56:56] Trustee Rogers: To do with it in relation to the staff report related to recommend its ways forward with the from the.

[4:57:04] Trustee Rogers: Like we asked them so is there something you.

[4:57:09] Voice 13: The I mean the staff report talked about well the original I was speaking to the recommendations that were in the report I wasn't responding to the staff report.

[4:57:21] Voice 13: And so I had concerns about some of the recommendations.

[4:57:24] Voice 13: I had certainly questions about what the commission

[4:57:27] Voice 13: was all about.

[4:57:28] Voice 13: It sounded to me like an oversight decision-making body.

[4:57:33] Voice 13: And that's been somewhat clarified by this report.

[4:57:37] Voice 13: I guess part of the question is,

[4:57:39] Voice 13: the recommendations talked about certain premises.

[4:57:45] Voice 13: And my feeling is what is the underlying premise

[4:57:48] Voice 13: us to this whole survey and the report not this staff report but the report and what i came to

[4:57:55] Voice 13: the conclusion is it really was about increasing density and so i found there was sort of a tension

[4:58:00] Voice 13: there within there because the survey if you if you follow the survey results if you accept it

[4:58:06] Voice 13: as valid there's a view on density and yet most of the report the underlying current is to increase

[4:58:13] Voice 13: increase densities. That was my take on it from the report. So I just had some questions

[4:58:19] Voice 13: about the report. I'm not really that happy with the report. I think it identified the

[4:58:25] Voice 13: key issues we've known along. Water is a big issue. The biodiversity, the forests are a

[4:58:31] Voice 13: big issue. And there's the housing need out there. Those are the three issues that are

[4:58:36] Voice 13: there. It's more the question of how we get there and what's the priority of getting there.

[4:58:41] Voice 13: you know that and when i looked at some of the recommendations actually and looked at the report

[4:58:46] Voice 13: there's a lot on housing and there's some the longer term stuff is uh is uh more uh cdf say

[4:58:53] Voice 13: for that it's a long-term project so do we go ahead and develop housing policies change secondary

[4:59:01] Voice 13: suite policies expand it to flex zoning etc and then look at and then go to coastal douglas for

[4:59:09] Voice 13: for tool protection and decide, okay,

[4:59:12] Voice 13: what are we gonna do now?

[4:59:13] Voice 13: And from my view, if we wanna,

[4:59:16] Voice 13: we talk about tree protection and coastal Douglas fir

[4:59:19] Voice 13: as a major issue, that should, in my view,

[4:59:23] Voice 13: that should be the priority at this point in time,

[4:59:25] Voice 13: get ourselves in a situation.

[4:59:28] Voice 13: And I would really like First Nations

[4:59:31] Voice 13: to be involved in this dialogue

[4:59:33] Voice 13: with the protection of the natural environment.

[4:59:36] Voice 13: How can we do that?

[4:59:37] Voice 13: that set up some parameters and then fit in the housing.

[4:59:43] Voice 13: That's sort of the priority that I come from.

[4:59:45] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so thank you for that.

[4:59:48] Trustee Rogers: And I am not gonna delve into the disagreement about the,

[4:59:55] Trustee Rogers: although I see Diana has now put her hand up.

[5:00:00] Trustee Rogers: um um i was not going to delve into it uh in terms of of of the report but so what i hearing you is

[5:00:10] Trustee Rogers: is that you whenever you might think about the survey it's it's really the action steps that

[5:00:18] Trustee Rogers: that you are not necessarily thinking or the prioritization of the action steps that you're

[5:00:23] Trustee Rogers: not necessarily and that's that's part of what we're going to discuss as part of the staff

[5:00:28] Trustee Rogers: to offer a report because of some motions

[5:00:30] Trustee Rogers: about potential actions that are there.

[5:00:32] Trustee Rogers: And we've asked the staff to give us short-term,

[5:00:36] Trustee Rogers: medium-term, longer-term, what will be done,

[5:00:39] Trustee Rogers: how they would get funded, et cetera, et cetera.

[5:00:41] Trustee Rogers: And as we go through those recommendations from planner,

[5:00:45] Trustee Rogers: I guess you can say you don't agree with certain things.

[5:00:49] Trustee Rogers: Ms. Dunsmore-Farley, I feel like I don't want

[5:00:54] Trustee Rogers: to prolong this, but if you really,

[5:00:55] Trustee Rogers: I did offer you the option to speak to us here so um please if you can promote her and let her

[5:01:02] Trustee Rogers: let her speak but I I don't I hope we're not going to get into a further disagreement about the the

[5:01:10] Trustee Rogers: value of the report but go ahead Diane can

[5:01:12] Voice 4: you hear me yes I can great and I won't I won't come

[5:01:16] Voice 4: on camera um so and I'm not going to take us down that road um chair you're welcome I want to say

[5:01:24] Voice 4: this and that is I value the fact that somebody has read the reports early and that they have

[5:01:33] Voice 4: questions and case as trustee and as a friend of mine I want him to know that all he has to do is

[5:01:42] Voice 4: phone and I will come over to his house and we'll go through the report page by page because I'm

[5:01:48] Voice 4: confident in the validity I think he may have misinterpreted the position around

[5:01:54] Voice 4: density I don't think there was anything in there that suggested that so my offer

[5:01:59] Voice 4: is an olive branch of invite me over I'll bring the report we'll have a cup

[5:02:03] Voice 4: of tea we'll go through it together and then you'll be satisfied I hope about

[5:02:08] Voice 4: our intentions and what we're hoping to achieve through producing the report

[5:02:13] Voice 13: I'm willing to do that. I was just following in response to the note from Toby Elliott a

[5:02:19] Voice 13: while ago. That's why I didn't come forward with it.

[5:02:22] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so that's fine. I mean, the way I read

[5:02:26] Trustee Rogers: the report was the question, the survey question that's caused a lot of concerns is where do people

[5:02:31] Trustee Rogers: stand on increasing density? But I think as I understood it was the density that's already

[5:02:37] Trustee Rogers: available and whether people were comfortable with it being greater than the density that's

[5:02:41] Trustee Rogers: already available and i think the majority of people said no to that and i think we'd all agree

[5:02:46] Trustee Rogers: on that you know the 60 whatever it is whether it's 66 or 8300 i think the answer was is that

[5:02:53] Trustee Rogers: is that the majority of people would like it to be less than that going forward so um let's do this

[5:03:01] Trustee Colbourne: let's comment very quickly i i i think it's important and we case and i both ran on this

[5:03:05] Trustee Colbourne: of grounding this work in community of of going to the community and obviously there's a global

[5:03:09] Trustee Colbourne: pandemic and it's been a complicated time and and um i really do value um former trustees providing

[5:03:17] Trustee Colbourne: constructive criticism i learned a lot about qualitative and quantitative data capturing

[5:03:23] Trustee Colbourne: through this discussion and um um but i i i still believe that the recommendations within this staff

[5:03:30] Trustee Colbourne: report are supported by that community-based work conversation and then we're stepping into the next

[5:03:35] Trustee Colbourne: part of it so um i just want to thank everyone for their work and consideration and the really deep

[5:03:40] Trustee Colbourne: care that as a relatively newcomer to this discussion it's it's people care very deeply

[5:03:45] Trustee Colbourne: and that's being expressed in this work so thank you to all of you thank

[5:03:49] Trustee Rogers: you for that so let's

[5:03:50] Trustee Rogers: let's circle back to the beginning of the staff report and there's a series of recommendations

[5:03:56] Trustee Rogers: that are here and we well we've sort of talked about some of these of these things as we um

[5:04:02] Trustee Rogers: as we've gone through but i i'd like to sort of get some consideration about what trustees feel

[5:04:07] Trustee Rogers: about the various recommendations do you want to present them uh planners of nature just let us

[5:04:14] Trustee Rogers: have that i'll

[5:04:18] Planner Zupanec: just put them up on the screen

[5:04:19] Voice 16: and you can have better

[5:04:21] Trustee Colbourne: so chair could i um

[5:04:26] Trustee Colbourne: could i go out of order and i mean in terms of the the numbering not not be out of order but

[5:04:32] Trustee Colbourne: But I'd like to put forward this motion,

[5:04:34] Trustee Colbourne: number two on the short-term project

[5:04:36] Trustee Colbourne: that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[5:04:39] Trustee Colbourne: endorsed the June 2021 Density Donation Outreach

[5:04:42] Trustee Colbourne: Project Charter.

[5:04:43] Trustee Colbourne: Version one is presenting request staff

[5:04:45] Trustee Colbourne: to finalize necessary work plan

[5:04:46] Trustee Colbourne: to commence the project immediately.

[5:04:49] Trustee Rogers: Okay, that's a motion that's been made.

[5:04:51] Trustee Rogers: We don't have to do this in any particular order.

[5:04:53] Trustee Rogers: Absolutely.

[5:04:54] Trustee Rogers: So there's been a motion.

[5:04:55] Trustee Rogers: Does someone want to second it for discussion?

[5:05:00] Trustee Rogers: Okay, do you want to speak to that motion?

[5:05:02] Trustee Rogers: It's been seconded by Trustee Langer.

[5:05:05] Trustee Colbourne: uh i think i think this is i think this is groundbreaking i think it's cooperative i think

[5:05:11] Trustee Colbourne: in terms of disincentives and incentives to protect the coastal coastal douglas fir

[5:05:16] Trustee Colbourne: which is a you know that that toolkit is part of this work it's incorporated into it that work is

[5:05:22] Trustee Colbourne: continuing this could be the most impact we can have and do it in a voluntary educational

[5:05:28] Trustee Colbourne: educational, cooperative way. I was absolutely thrilled to read this and to see this and to

[5:05:36] Trustee Colbourne: have this work come out of the community engagement. So I wanted to put this one forward

[5:05:40] Trustee Colbourne: first as a real sign of the value that I see in it for ecosystem protection and giving the community

[5:05:49] Trustee Colbourne: and landowners and residents a chance to work together on these integrated solutions.

[5:06:01] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Langeras, do you wish to speak to the motion?

[5:06:04] Voice 13: Yeah, I have mixed feelings about this one.

[5:06:06] Voice 13: I do wonder about the efficacy of it,

[5:06:11] Voice 13: how much we will actually get in terms of donations.

[5:06:13] Voice 13: It's limited to primary dwellings.

[5:06:16] Voice 13: It excludes secondary suites.

[5:06:19] Voice 13: And if you think about it, somebody who's on five acres is, you know,

[5:06:25] Voice 13: would they donate their primary dwelling?

[5:06:28] Voice 13: And in fact, it actually could be the secondary suite.

[5:06:31] Voice 13: but if you have a subdividable lot, are you going to donate a primary dwelling versus a

[5:06:41] Voice 13: cottage or a secondary suite if it's more than five acres? To me it seems to be missing a piece

[5:06:47] Voice 13: of the secondary suite transfer because right now the maximum size is 962 square feet and for

[5:06:57] Voice 13: for multiple family affordable housing,

[5:06:58] Voice 13: the average is 900 square feet.

[5:07:00] Voice 13: So they're virtually the same size.

[5:07:04] Voice 13: So allowing for the transfer of secondary suites,

[5:07:08] Voice 13: the density bank,

[5:07:10] Voice 13: I think would be more likely than a primary dwelling.

[5:07:12] Voice 13: I mean, a four acre lot,

[5:07:17] Voice 13: no one's gonna grant their primary dwelling.

[5:07:21] Voice 13: It becomes an unusable lot, right?

[5:07:23] Voice 13: You're looking at larger properties only.

[5:07:27] Voice 13: and there are a lot of lots that have the capacity for secondary suites so I guess my

[5:07:35] Voice 13: one concern about that is the limitation to the primary dwelling and at least that's the way I

[5:07:41] Voice 13: read the proposal is that correct or I think that was in

[5:07:46] Voice 13: the that's correct

[5:07:47] Voice 13: that's in the

[5:07:49] Voice 13: project charter I believe yeah I know you're

[5:07:53] Planner Zupanec: in the middle of discussing a motion so I'm hesitant

[5:07:55] Planner Zupanec: I'm hesitant to interject, but I have to provide some input.

[5:07:58] Trustee Rogers: No, I think probably you can confirm that question as to what the limitations of it are.

[5:08:07] Planner Zupanec: That's right. The focus of this project would be, you're absolutely correct, in the density potential of principal dwellings that could be created through subdivision or vacant lots.

[5:08:19] Planner Zupanec: So people who own adjacent vacant lots to their property have no intention of using those lots.

[5:08:25] Planner Zupanec: haven't lot consolidated for example that's what this particular density outreach would be

[5:08:31] Planner Zupanec: and to protect the stock that doesn't hasn't been materialized yet of rental housing in the form of

[5:08:40] Planner Zupanec: secondary suites so keeping that potential in the community as that is a the housing diversity piece

[5:08:49] Planner Zupanec: that's missing is rental housing. We don't want to take those away necessarily through this project

[5:08:55] Planner Zupanec: because in the future getting those back might be very difficult to do whether they're affordable

[5:09:02] Planner Zupanec: or not. So you could definitely expand the scope of the project to remove that from out of scope

[5:09:08] Planner Zupanec: so that it can be considered. We were keeping the focus very specific for the purposes of this

[5:09:15] Planner Zupanec: project because the scope creep and the potential for this project to not be successful at all if

[5:09:22] Planner Zupanec: we're going to dive into a lot of analysis is a risk that we felt you really needed something

[5:09:27] Planner Zupanec: that could be achieved which is look at those folks that responded to the survey saying that

[5:09:32] Planner Zupanec: they actually did have potential for additional density in the form of primary residences and

[5:09:39] Planner Zupanec: were willing to consider donating those that's those are the people we want to connect with first

[5:09:45] Planner Zupanec: but if you would like to expand the scope to include all those lots that have a provision

[5:09:50] Planner Zupanec: for a secondary suite it gets a little bit more complicated in terms of the legal avenues to

[5:09:57] Planner Zupanec: ensure that that happens and um we could definitely include it but there is a potential that the scope

[5:10:06] Planner Zupanec: of the project needs to be expanded the

[5:10:10] Voice 13: reason i mentioned the secondary suites because it's

[5:10:13] Voice 13: the same size as multiple housing right now secondary suite is a market rent basically

[5:10:19] Voice 13: and we'd be converting that to an affordable housing unit right and that to me seemed to

[5:10:27] Voice 13: make sense to transfer that over and the OCP all it says is when policy is developed I don't think

[5:10:34] Voice 13: there's any regulatory changes required just that we have a policy around it somewhere I'm not sure

[5:10:40] Voice 13: exactly how that would occur but it uh and when we do the density transfer we're going to have

[5:10:47] Voice 13: to do an ocp change that's the way it's currently structured we'd have to amend it to add the

[5:10:52] Voice 13: density in and then amend it to take the density out so anyway just to me it seems it's just

[5:11:01] Voice 13: somewhat limited and the so there's 50 people that said they would donate no

[5:11:11] Planner Zupanec: there was 50

[5:11:11] Planner Zupanec: people that responded to the survey that were very interested in that question uh asking whether they

[5:11:17] Planner Zupanec: would consider that and that significant response is what flags for your habc and for staff as well

[5:11:25] Planner Zupanec: as a legitimate baseline to warrant exploring this option immediately yeah yeah

[5:11:32] Planner Zupanec: because of

[5:11:33] Planner Zupanec: the time sensitivity of ensuring they have the information they need and leveraging your project

[5:11:39] Voice 17: project

[5:11:39] Planner Zupanec: funds to offset any costs associated with ensuring that transfer this is a very limited

[5:11:45] Planner Zupanec: opportunity to impact what's left of the island in terms of development potential and so it is

[5:11:53] Planner Zupanec: the highest priority in our view to explore this to whatever extent provide the information to you

[5:11:59] Planner Zupanec: and you will ultimately be asked to decide how you wish to proceed once we give you all the options

[5:12:05] Planner Zupanec: the secondary suite piece as i mentioned we didn't factor that in that's why we could keep it at the

[5:12:10] Planner Zupanec: four thousand dollar budget i think including the secondary suite piece would double it to be honest

[5:12:15] Planner Zupanec: because of the number of landowners that that expands to there are several hundred properties

[5:12:23] Planner Zupanec: i think it's just over 300 that are in the five acre and up range and that's a lot more landowner

[5:12:31] Planner Zupanec: or contacts than we expected so

[5:12:34] Voice 13: all of the the 50 people that were willing to donate are talking

[5:12:38] Voice 13: about a primary dwelling then they

[5:12:41] Planner Zupanec: either own vacant lots adjacent to their own or elsewhere

[5:12:45] Planner Zupanec: or they have a large enough property that has subdivision potential okay

[5:12:49] Voice 13: because i'm not opposed

[5:12:51] Voice 13: to the uh density bank yeah it's a density neutral provision i'm and i'm quite pleased with if we can

[5:12:57] Voice 13: they get some density in there we failed so far through park conversion and um you know that's

[5:13:04] Voice 13: where um one of the issues actually one of the questions i had about the charter the project

[5:13:09] Voice 13: charter uh a question i had around uh the 707 expansion density i don't believe there's any

[5:13:16] Voice 13: density there

[5:13:17] Planner Zupanec: there's just one there is a lot that the regional district in the nine more recently

[5:13:21] Planner Zupanec: acquired from the subdivision for the remainder

[5:13:24] Voice 13: parcel correct so

[5:13:27] Voice 13: that one currently

[5:13:27] Planner Zupanec: isn't

[5:13:28] Planner Zupanec: isn't accounted for so this this would include that okay

[5:13:32] Voice 13: i forgot about that one

[5:13:34] Trustee Rogers: so i mean i

[5:13:35] Trustee Rogers: may be missing something but as i understand this this is just a way to try and figure out a way to

[5:13:41] Trustee Rogers: to reduce subdivision potential people so that that part of the develop development that we

[5:13:47] Trustee Rogers: we were talking about this.

[5:13:48] Trustee Rogers: It's a short-term way to try and cut down

[5:13:51] Trustee Rogers: on what might develop.

[5:13:53] Trustee Rogers: People voluntarily transfer their density

[5:13:55] Trustee Rogers: into this density bank,

[5:13:57] Trustee Rogers: which could be used for something else.

[5:13:59] Trustee Rogers: And I guess-

[5:14:01] Trustee Colbourne: And potentially protecting hundreds of acres

[5:14:03] Trustee Colbourne: or a sizable amount of forested land as well,

[5:14:10] Trustee Colbourne: which seems to be within the mandate, certainly.

[5:14:13] Trustee Colbourne: I'm kind of tempted by the $8,000

[5:14:15] Trustee Colbourne: and and two to three hundred more in terms of that you know um and i'm i'm i i like the way

[5:14:23] Trustee Colbourne: that trustee lingeris has linked out the um the the secondary suites with uh with moving from a

[5:14:29] Trustee Colbourne: market rent to uh um other forms of rent rental support so i'm kind of um i want to i want to do

[5:14:39] Trustee Colbourne: this right but also do it with and so I'm wondering how much extra time would you estimate

[5:14:48] Trustee Colbourne: or would this if you added if you added secondary suites would that make this less likely to be done

[5:14:56] Trustee Colbourne: by the end of this term?

[5:14:59] Planner Zupanec: I don't think it's possible with the budget that's there so if

[5:15:02] Planner Zupanec: Chair Rogers has indicated that there might be additional funds available that we can leverage

[5:15:07] Planner Zupanec: then that may assist in offsetting some of the costs related to the outreach for those individual parcel owners and any resulting legal advice that we need to acquire in order to ensure that we're looking at all the right tools for secondary suite provisions on lots where restrictive covenants might need to be used.

[5:15:34] Planner Zupanec: So we might need to draft some other tools to make sure that people aren't double dipping and that, in fact, the transfer and not any ambiguity or confusion around where that density went.

[5:15:47] Planner Zupanec: So I think doubling the budget at a bare minimum would be the ask for a project charter that takes that out of scope piece around the secondary suites and puts it in scope in terms of staffing.

[5:16:00] Planner Zupanec: nothing um you know it is it is additional work absolutely but um we could see how far we get by

[5:16:06] Planner Zupanec: march 31st 2022 and obviously there's still time within your political term then to dive into the

[5:16:16] Planner Zupanec: next fiscal if need be to just wrap it up because hopefully that's all it is you're at the point

[5:16:20] Planner Zupanec: where you're literally just amending the ocp if need be at that point and registering legal

[5:16:27] Planner Zupanec: Mayor Mrakas, Let me ask

[5:16:30] Trustee Colbourne: yeah I think this is the educational piece to that people learn options and in the

[5:16:36] Trustee Colbourne: discussions, they may go down different paths and it was more land protected sort interrupted you know

[5:16:41] Trustee Rogers: I just got to ask trustee long garris is is if he's more comfortable with this project charter included secondary suite.

[5:16:48] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas,

[5:16:50] Voice 13: I think it would be more in the long term or effective

[5:16:54] Trustee Rogers: it's

[5:16:55] Voice 13: a larger catchment so

[5:16:58] Trustee Rogers: my answer is yes, I think it would be more effective.

[5:16:59] Trustee Rogers: suggestion would be because this move motion has been moved in second is we would uh defeat it uh

[5:17:06] Trustee Rogers: and then so we'd vote against it and then put a new motion on that would ask the the uh uh that

[5:17:14] Trustee Rogers: would amend the project charter to um add in uh accepting undeveloped secondary suites as potential

[5:17:22] Trustee Rogers: don't don't density donations and ask the staff to bring a revised project charter uh back to us

[5:17:29] Trustee Rogers: i think that's the right process am i got that right sonja you

[5:17:34] Planner Zupanec: can just amend it today i know

[5:17:37] Trustee Rogers: but we've got a motion on the table that's been seconded so i have to deal with that first all

[5:17:41] Voice 13: right yeah could we not amend the project charter after the motion we change the

[5:17:46] Voice 19: project charters

[5:17:47] Voice 19: sure i'm not going to be a stickler in detail yeah yeah

[5:17:51] Trustee Rogers: i think so i'm just trying to find

[5:17:55] Trustee Rogers: the motion here uh sorry i'm scrolling up and down at the same time uh the motion is

[5:18:04] Trustee Rogers: uh project charter v1 as presented so i think we'd have to say as amended and then and then

[5:18:13] Trustee Rogers: pass a motion amending the project yeah

[5:18:15] Planner Zupanec: that would be fine i can do that yeah so let's let's

[5:18:18] Trustee Rogers: if if you guys if i i just want to be sure trustee colbert are you content with that

[5:18:22] Trustee Rogers: and i'll just tell you it'll come back with the the additional amount or it'll have the additional

[5:18:29] Trustee Rogers: amount at it and uh and then i'll go and and do what i need to do to get it through yep i'm very

[5:18:38] Trustee Colbourne: happy with that i think this allows for people there's one of the issues that have come up is

[5:18:42] Trustee Colbourne: why isn't there more uptake in the secondary suite program itself and so i think this is an

[5:18:45] Trustee Colbourne: opportunity to discuss that so i and this i think will lead to more acreages protected so

[5:18:49] Trustee Colbourne: So also,

[5:18:51] Voice 13: I want, that's a good point, Trustee Colburn, that they don't, they haven't built it, maybe because of cost, but they can give the transfer away to affordable housing.

[5:19:01] Voice 13: When a proponent comes along, the densities are there, and they don't have to deal with the cost. And I think that's one of the barriers to secondary suites.

[5:19:08] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I'm happy to do a friendly amendment if that works or just, I

[5:19:13] Trustee Rogers: think we're just going to do it because it's almost four o'clock and we've got more business to do.

[5:19:17] Trustee Rogers: so we'll just the motion will be as amended and then we'll put an amending motion on okay nadine

[5:19:23] Trustee Rogers: you've got that uh so if everybody's content i'll call the vote on that one and then uh all in favor

[5:19:30] Trustee Rogers: so that passes and now we'll put a motion on that says um that the gabriella local trust committee

[5:19:38] Trustee Rogers: committee amends the project charter, I'm trying to scroll down, I've lost it, to include,

[5:19:56] Trustee Rogers: there it is, to include in scope, quote, accepting undeveloped secondary suites as

[5:20:07] Trustee Rogers: potential density donations end of quote and the budget to eight thousand dollars yeah

[5:20:19] Voice 13: and deleting

[5:20:20] Voice 13: it from the out of scope i guess i guess that's implicit but yeah sorry

[5:20:26] Trustee Rogers: about that nadine i was

[5:20:27] Trustee Rogers: a bit scattered uh

[5:20:31] Voice 3: that the ltc amend the project charter to include in scope in quote in accepting

[5:20:39] Voice 3: Accepting undeveloped secondary suites as potential density donations, quote, and the budget to $8,000 and deleting it from the out of scope.

[5:20:51] Voice 19: No, sorry.

[5:20:52] Trustee Rogers: So what you need to do, yeah, I know that's the way it came out.

[5:20:55] Trustee Rogers: But by moving from out of scope to in scope, the quoted words.

[5:21:03] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[5:21:04] Trustee Rogers: And then it would end after the $8,000.

[5:21:07] Planner Zupanec: Okay.

[5:21:08] Planner Zupanec: for the chair we just need to reference the gabriel island density donation outreach project

[5:21:13] Planner Zupanec: in that resolution please correct all right

[5:21:18] Voice 16: okay

[5:21:21] Trustee Rogers: so that motions i are you content to have

[5:21:24] Trustee Rogers: be recorded as making that motion trustee colburn i

[5:21:27] Trustee Colbourne: i would i would rather have trustee longers

[5:21:29] Trustee Colbourne: make it because it was his excellent suggestion so i'll second that okay so that's

[5:21:34] Trustee Rogers: yeah because

[5:21:36] Trustee Rogers: that's been moved by trustee long guys seconded by trustee colburn any more discussions about

[5:21:42] Trustee Rogers: of that no all in favor so i know she's still listening so heather you and i can go do our

[5:21:55] Trustee Rogers: magic okay

[5:21:56] Trustee Colbourne: could i

[5:21:58] Trustee Colbourne: could i suggest um because that was the short-term one and we'll maybe

[5:22:02] Trustee Colbourne: discuss number one but i was thinking for the long-term recommendation four and and a and b

[5:22:06] Trustee Colbourne: because we're looking at sort of like a business case for september i'd be i'd like to refer that

[5:22:12] Trustee Colbourne: to the senior intergovernmental policy advisor for some for some feedback and input it's quite

[5:22:18] Trustee Colbourne: a big thing and it's quite new i'm just wondering if we if we um get have an opportunity to discuss

[5:22:26] Trustee Colbourne: this in july whether or not that'll have an impact on getting a business case forward if it passes

[5:22:32] Trustee Colbourne: um in its current form for september i

[5:22:41] Trustee Rogers: think that's a question for you sonja

[5:22:44] Planner Zupanec: i'm a little

[5:22:45] Planner Zupanec: rusty on the timelines for the financial planning committee meetings but i was under the impression

[5:22:50] Planner Zupanec: that all business cases needed to be in their little hands by september which we don't local

[5:22:58] Planner Zupanec: trust committee would had to have reviewed it at your july meeting perhaps or we

[5:23:04] Trustee Rogers: have an fpc

[5:23:05] Trustee Rogers: at the beginning of september but that will not have business cases we the next one after that

[5:23:10] Trustee Rogers: is the October the 20th and I'm guessing that uh I'm guessing by September probably means by the

[5:23:18] Trustee Rogers: end of September but okay maybe I'll turn to RPM cow or maybe she has a better handle on that

[5:23:24] Trustee Rogers: no

[5:23:24] Voice 12: I think that sounds right yeah okay

[5:23:27] Voice 12: in that case there's

[5:23:30] Trustee Colbourne: time yeah I would just because of

[5:23:32] Trustee Colbourne: the way because of the way that we're um um seeking to uh work cooperatively with with

[5:23:39] Trustee Colbourne: to name up First Nation and and and kind of build that into the ground level of the of the project

[5:23:44] Trustee Colbourne: I'd really like to kind of make sure we're grounded in our in our reconciliation action plan

[5:23:48] Trustee Colbourne: and and um in the way that we do this before we vote on things I don't know if that makes sense

[5:23:55] Trustee Rogers: there's uh Lisa Wilcox co-senior intergovernmental policy advisor

[5:24:01] Voice 6: yeah Chuck Mahath uh just through the chair um you could um just make that as part of your

[5:24:08] Voice 6: guiding principle and commitment to say that you would even if you're not able to get all of the

[5:24:16] Voice 6: thinking around it done by july or whenever your deadline is you could say that

[5:24:23] Voice 6: the process would be supported and guided by working within the islands trust reconciliation

[5:24:33] Voice 6: reconciliation principles. And then I would be able to come and help the commission or society

[5:24:42] Voice 6: work on that with them. That might be a way of ensuring that happens because you might not be

[5:24:50] Voice 6: able to fit it into a tight timeline, but it would be something that you would continue to do over

[5:24:56] Voice 6: the process of the project, if that makes sense, hopefully.

[5:25:00] Voice 6: it

[5:25:01] Trustee Colbourne: does it's also sort of a four o'clock four o'clock in an ltc and and the scope of this um

[5:25:13] Trustee Colbourne: i'm just i'm i'm wondering if we can give it a more fulsome discussion in in at a at the future

[5:25:19] Trustee Colbourne: ltc that that would be my preference you're

[5:25:24] Trustee Rogers: talking about now about nothing you're talking

[5:25:26] Trustee Rogers: about uh recommendation number four that's

[5:25:29] Voice 26: right yeah yeah

[5:25:29] Trustee Rogers: well we can defer it um we had a

[5:25:32] Trustee Rogers: presentation related to it i think it's a very thoughtful uh document but it's um uh you know

[5:25:39] Trustee Rogers: given that the draft business case uh doesn't need to be until the end of september likely

[5:25:44] Trustee Rogers: uh we we do have at least a july meeting we could set some time aside to talk about this

[5:25:51] Trustee Rogers: more thoroughly and i i think i'm going to guess that trustee longaris has some considerations

[5:25:55] Trustee Rogers: about this so just just from some of the questions he asked that's all

[5:26:00] Trustee Colbourne: yeah my only concern would

[5:26:02] Trustee Colbourne: have been if if we weren't able to meet the budget process but i'm i'm

[5:26:06] Trustee Rogers: sure we can as well yeah i'm

[5:26:07] Trustee Rogers: sure again so i'm gonna i'm gonna take that as a motion to defer uh recommendation number four

[5:26:13] Trustee Rogers: to our july 29th meeting okay so i think trustee colburn's done that and trustee langris you support

[5:26:23] Trustee Rogers: that so we'll call vote and so that's been deferred to july now there are uh at least um

[5:26:32] Trustee Rogers: two other recommendations. One is about TUPs, but that's about should consider. I don't know

[5:26:40] Trustee Rogers: whether you want to decide that today. I mean, that's a, you know, that's a complicated process

[5:26:48] Trustee Rogers: because if you ask almost every single individual TUP owner or TUP recipient, they will tell you

[5:26:59] Trustee Rogers: you that they will not rent out their property long term. However, if you ask people who are

[5:27:06] Trustee Rogers: renters in the community, they will say the commercial vacation rentals are removing rental

[5:27:14] Trustee Rogers: stock from the from from. So it's a it's a it's a it's a complex issue. And of course, we get it

[5:27:21] Trustee Rogers: done on. And so I guess the question there is, is you want to figure out at today's meeting,

[5:27:28] Trustee Rogers: whether TUPs are in conflict with the Housing Options and Impacts Review Project

[5:27:34] Trustee Rogers: and the absence of any staff reporting or any kind of consideration of that.

[5:27:41] Trustee Rogers: Or again, do you want to think about that some more?

[5:27:44] Voice 13: I'd like to think about that. This is complex.

[5:27:47] Voice 13: And you pointed out the conundrum, whether if we stop it,

[5:27:52] Voice 13: whether it will actually increase housing or not.

[5:27:55] Voice 13: That's always been a big challenge.

[5:27:57] Voice 13: punishment i

[5:27:58] Trustee Rogers: don't know the answer i don't know the answer data driven and and it's the problem

[5:28:04] Trustee Rogers: uh we've been through we went through this provincial committee that i sit on and we had a

[5:28:10] Trustee Rogers: statistician come and tell us that there was no correlation that they could find between

[5:28:15] Trustee Rogers: a definitive correlation they looked at the covid when a whole bunch of properties what went off the

[5:28:23] Trustee Rogers: stvr and whether or not the others came on to the long-term rental and they said they couldn't find

[5:28:27] Trustee Rogers: a correlation but there's also lots of academic reports that says they are there is a correlation

[5:28:33] Trustee Rogers: and of course it would be different for us than it would be for an urban municipality

[5:28:38] Trustee Rogers: um it's just a different set of uh and as i made the point at my meeting yesterday i said

[5:28:44] Trustee Rogers: okay you're talking in you know hundreds of units but i said on an island if you take five units

[5:28:51] Trustee Rogers: that's out of the uh the rental pool that's a huge impact um because you've got you know people

[5:28:57] Trustee Rogers: are scrambling around looking for rental accommodation so i don't know the answer to

[5:29:02] Trustee Rogers: that there is a there was a paper that was written for galliano uh that talked about the various ways

[5:29:07] Trustee Rogers: that they're regulated but it didn't actually um it wasn't able to draw a direct line between

[5:29:14] Trustee Rogers: between GUPs, but it examined how each island approaches the issue, and it might be a useful,

[5:29:21] Trustee Rogers: at least background document for us. I don't know if you're familiar with it, Sonia, or not, but

[5:29:26] Trustee Rogers: it

[5:29:27] Voice 17: was

[5:29:27] Trustee Rogers: done by Planner Smith, and it was a pretty good document and sort of set the groundwork for

[5:29:35] Trustee Rogers: our work on Galliana.

[5:29:38] Voice 13: Did it distinguish between resident property owners and absent property

[5:29:43] Voice 13: owners oh

[5:29:44] Trustee Rogers: absolutely on on on galliano the um if you are if you live on the property you can

[5:29:51] Trustee Rogers: you can rent out uh owner occupied is not an issue it's a non-owner non-occupied non-owner occupied

[5:30:00] Trustee Rogers: properties that became the issue for tups and they've now removed them from the tup

[5:30:06] Trustee Rogers: um suite of things oh i don't know um rusty colbert and i've been doing a lot of talking

[5:30:12] Trustee Rogers: i don't know if you want to what your view is about number number one um you

[5:30:21] Trustee Colbourne: know i'm going

[5:30:22] Trustee Colbourne: to put it forward because i think it's it's asking us to consider it which i i think we

[5:30:26] Trustee Colbourne: are it also gives us draft language to use if we decide as a body that um that that we

[5:30:32] Trustee Colbourne: we at this time are not going to get more of these.

[5:30:35] Trustee Colbourne: I think we also have to communicate clearly as we have bylaw compliance and

[5:30:39] Trustee Colbourne: enforcement, directing people into a application stream.

[5:30:43] Trustee Colbourne: And then that list of people with expectations is going to get longer.

[5:30:46] Trustee Colbourne: So I'm worried about stretching this out and then, and then, you know,

[5:30:51] Trustee Colbourne: placing us and,

[5:30:52] Trustee Colbourne: and applicants and staff in the position of doing work towards something that

[5:30:56] Trustee Colbourne: is going to change. So.

[5:30:58] Trustee Colbourne: um so you read this

[5:31:01] Trustee Rogers: motion to simply saying we should consider it when we when we're

[5:31:04] Trustee Rogers: delivering deliberating on tup yeah and is that what's that your intent planners

[5:31:10] Trustee Rogers: yeah correct

[5:31:13] Planner Zupanec: it's an explicit intent uh recommendation you can choose to do it or

[5:31:17] Planner Zupanec: not in each individual temporary use permit that's presented to you depending on the

[5:31:21] Planner Zupanec: the parameters and factors at play at the time that you're considering those applications so

[5:31:27] Planner Zupanec: So it can just be an information piece.

[5:31:29] Planner Zupanec: I worded it in the form of a recommendation intentionally to ensure that it's embedded

[5:31:34] Planner Zupanec: as one of the short-term recommendations to address commercial vacation rentals in the

[5:31:41] Planner Zupanec: interim of your larger project or program being established if you concur with that

[5:31:47] Planner Zupanec: view that they are related and that they should be weighed against the project or the program

[5:31:55] Planner Zupanec: versus just the OCP guidelines.

[5:31:58] Trustee Colbourne: And I think my point is that each application for a TUP

[5:32:02] Trustee Colbourne: is distinct on a different site in a different neighborhood

[5:32:05] Trustee Colbourne: with different characteristics.

[5:32:06] Trustee Colbourne: And some of them may be more likely to lead to long-term rentals or not.

[5:32:11] Trustee Colbourne: And so at this stage, we don't have that guiding policy

[5:32:15] Trustee Colbourne: or the data in front of us.

[5:32:17] Trustee Colbourne: So I'm going to go ahead and, in the interest of time,

[5:32:18] Trustee Colbourne: move this motion that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[5:32:21] Trustee Colbourne: should consider whether issuance of a new or renewal temporary use permits for commercial

[5:32:26] Trustee Colbourne: vacation rentals in direct conflict with the housing options and impacts review project.

[5:32:31] Trustee Rogers: That's been moved and seconded. Did either of you wish to speak to it?

[5:32:36] Trustee Rogers: I'll call the vote. I agree with your rationale. Trust me, all in favor?

[5:32:40] Trustee Rogers: That passes unanimously. And I think we should move number three as well. And just sorry, just to

[5:32:47] Trustee Rogers: I know we have someone from the Connected Coast here. I'm going to as soon as we're done this

[5:32:52] Trustee Rogers: this report, it's someone called Darren, I'm sorry, I don't know your last name.

[5:32:58] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to manage the agenda to see if we can move through to that so that we get that done

[5:33:03] Trustee Rogers: today. I believe

[5:33:05] Trustee Colbourne: we also have representatives from Gyro who have been on because that was one

[5:33:09] Trustee Colbourne: of the institutional uses on the agenda as

[5:33:11] Trustee Rogers: well. Yes, I know. So we have those two pieces of

[5:33:13] Trustee Rogers: business and camera matter, which hopefully won't be too long. So we need to do that.

[5:33:20] Trustee Rogers: But I do

[5:33:21] Trustee Rogers: think number three needs to be asked as well, because it's directly related to number two.

[5:33:29] Trustee Colbourne: Okay, I'll move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff to refer the Density Donation Outreach Project

[5:33:36] Trustee Colbourne: show to the Housing Advisory Planning Commission members and request the commission members to assist staff

[5:33:40] Trustee Colbourne: in prioritizing outreach methodology and reviewing and commenting on draft public-facing documents.

[5:33:49] Trustee Rogers: that work for you trustee langrose so do you have do you want to

[5:33:52] Voice 13: second that yeah i just um

[5:33:56] Voice 13: okay i did the wording just threw me off for a second i

[5:34:01] Trustee Rogers: think we're just sending it back to the

[5:34:02] Trustee Rogers: committee for their help um i i as i understand it and it sounds like uh planners i mean you guys

[5:34:08] Trustee Rogers: are working quite well together it

[5:34:10] Planner Zupanec: gives it gives me the authorization to use the hapc members

[5:34:16] Planner Zupanec: members exactly to be sort of that focus group for anything that we send out to the public to

[5:34:20] Planner Zupanec: provide input to review and provide some advice on methodology so i'm asking permission to use

[5:34:27] Planner Zupanec: your hapc basically got

[5:34:30] Trustee Rogers: it okay so any comments from trustees if not all the vote all in favor

[5:34:34] Trustee Rogers: so that passes unanimously thanks very much gentlemen this is a very very important and

[5:34:41] Trustee Rogers: detail and i've tried not to rush us through it but it's a lot of work and it's late in the days

[5:34:45] Trustee Rogers: or anything else coming out of the reports that either of you would like to address before we

[5:34:49] Trustee Rogers: move on to something else no no i think there's some regional

[5:34:55] Trustee Colbourne: yeah save for next meeting there's

[5:34:58] Trustee Colbourne: some regional considerations and other um potential incomes okay

[5:35:01] Trustee Rogers: so so so what we have left that is

[5:35:04] Trustee Rogers: important on our agenda is we have uh we have the land use bylaw amendments expanded community use

[5:35:11] Trustee Rogers: staff report we have um and then we have the i don't know what the social needs assessment but

[5:35:18] Trustee Rogers: we also have the connected coast and the email from trustee langer eyes regarding cell towers

[5:35:23] Trustee Rogers: those are the three or four things i i'll just look to you the trustees which one do you want

[5:35:29] Trustee Rogers: to do next i'm going to i'm going to throw it open uh if you if you i i sort of would like to

[5:35:36] Trustee Rogers: me personally i want to be you know generous to the gentleman from connected coast so that he

[5:35:41] Trustee Rogers: doesn't have to stick around so i'm tempted to go to uh the the uh the bay link requesting letter

[5:35:48] Trustee Rogers: of support for connected coast on gabriel are you content with that yeah we're gonna go to uh 13.2

[5:35:55] Trustee Rogers: um and uh the really i don't know is there's a staff component to this um actually oh have we

[5:36:04] Trustee Rogers: moved him over yes um so is it mr sorry there was a different person last time is it mr doffer

[5:36:14] Trustee Rogers: hi

[5:36:17] Voice 18: oh yep i'm off you know yep you're correct darren doffer thanks mr gopher i'm sorry to

[5:36:25] Voice 18: keep you waiting um not a problem my gosh you guys work work hard uh you've been i've been

[5:36:33] Voice 18: checking

[5:36:33] Trustee Rogers: you know what here and there if you live anywhere near an island there's elections coming

[5:36:36] Trustee Rogers: up in October of 2022. You can, you too can work as hard as this. So we had a presentation from,

[5:36:45] Trustee Rogers: I've forgotten her name, a month

[5:36:47] Voice 18: ago. Cheryl Katnett.

[5:36:49] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, thank you very much. And so we are familiar with the project and I think

[5:36:53] Trustee Rogers: the trustees simply wanted to go away and think about the, did we pass any motions about this

[5:37:02] Trustee Rogers: uh in particular uh no we

[5:37:05] Trustee Colbourne: asked about mudge and decorcy specifically about whether or not they

[5:37:08] Trustee Colbourne: could be um link sites um because they kind of run in between here and yellow point and have

[5:37:15] Trustee Colbourne: experienced some very serious connectivity issues also

[5:37:18] Voice 13: about the name of first nation right so i

[5:37:22] Trustee Rogers: don't know if you know that but we basically had two outstanding questions we wondered do you have

[5:37:26] Trustee Rogers: any further information about either mudge of decorcy or whether there has been consultation

[5:37:31] Trustee Rogers: consultation with the SNAEMC related to this because it's a

[5:37:34] Voice 18: Absolutely, yeah, we're talking with the SNAEMC and we're looking at

[5:37:39] Voice 18: one of the links that would stem off of the Gabriola Island link would be a link directly into

[5:37:48] Voice 18: the Nanaimo Port Authority.

[5:37:51] Voice 18: And it's also the helijet port. We would also extend that over to the SNAEMC

[5:37:57] Voice 18: uh the town town one site um they currently don't have fiber the home and uh they're so that's

[5:38:07] Voice 18: definitely uh being uh being talked about and

[5:38:15] Trustee Rogers: and i think the question arose for us was

[5:38:18] Trustee Rogers: because we've had other scenarios because the landing site here on gabriola was intended to be

[5:38:24] Trustee Rogers: which it is not intended to be it's a foreshore and there's often you know heritage cultural

[5:38:31] Trustee Rogers: issues or first nations cultural spots whether or not there have been some engagement with

[5:38:36] Trustee Rogers: and that they're okay with the where the landing spot yeah

[5:38:41] Voice 18: absolutely we with all our landing sites

[5:38:44] Voice 18: on the connected coast we we make sure that all the all the cultural resources are are addressed

[5:38:52] Voice 18: and all the cultural resource issues are looked after and this is no different we we have

[5:39:01] Voice 18: archaeologists that looks at all our sites as well as we'll engage with the

[5:39:07] Voice 18: to give us guidance and make sure that if we are doing any excavation that if they

[5:39:16] Voice 18: they they're certainly uh invited to be part of that and

[5:39:23] Voice 17: if they have any just general concerns

[5:39:26] Voice 18: about the nature of um we can ship the landing site as well we're we've got three options of

[5:39:33] Voice 18: where we can land the cable oh okay that wasn't clear from the first yeah so our first option um

[5:39:41] Voice 18: It's landing on, I forget the name of the road, but it's kind of a public use beach.

[5:39:48] Voice 18: There's a couple of homes fairly close there, and it might be somewhat offensive to them.

[5:39:56] Voice 18: I don't know.

[5:39:57] Voice 18: Modi would certainly accept our landing there, but we don't want to offend.

[5:40:04] Voice 18: So I do have other options that might work better.

[5:40:12] Trustee Rogers: okay so if we

[5:40:13] Trustee Rogers: passed a motion or a letter of support that was sort of subject to getting

[5:40:17] Trustee Rogers: concurrence from the tsunami as to the landing spot that wouldn't that wouldn't be a problem

[5:40:21] Trustee Rogers: for you not

[5:40:22] Voice 18: a problem no we just we just need to make sure you guys are on board okay so trustee

[5:40:28] Trustee Rogers: langers trustee colburn questions or concerns um

[5:40:31] Trustee Colbourne: mountain de courcy whether or not um those two

[5:40:35] Trustee Colbourne: two islands could be part of this?

[5:40:42] Voice 18: Probably not in our funded Connected Coast scope.

[5:40:50] Voice 18: I'd have to have a look, just let me, can I?

[5:41:02] Trustee Rogers: That's basically the answer that Cheryl gave us last time.

[5:41:06] Trustee Rogers: Cause I asked about my island too,

[5:41:09] Trustee Rogers: which is also not included.

[5:41:10] Trustee Rogers: okay

[5:41:11] Voice 18: just let me uh let me get my bearings here um we've been focused on the project from vancouver

[5:41:19] Voice 18: via gabriola heading north okay give me some okay where where are these islands

[5:41:29] Voice 18: they're

[5:41:30] Trustee Rogers: just let me

[5:41:31] Voice 18: share they're

[5:41:32] Trustee Rogers: south of south and a little one of them's a little bit uh

[5:41:37] Trustee Rogers: west of it's between gabriola and the vancouver island and the other one is south of gabriel

[5:41:44] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[5:41:45] Voice 16: okay i just turned some names

[5:41:54] Voice 18: on here um yeah sorry i'm just i'm fumbling around here

[5:42:23] Voice 18: why don't i let me let me share my screen and you guys can give me some help

[5:42:27] Voice 18: can we

[5:42:30] Trustee Rogers: i think will will have to let you share your screen can you do that will

[5:42:35] Trustee Rogers: will.

[5:42:38] Voice 7: Yeah, Sonia needs to stop sharing in order for Dan to share.

[5:42:45] Trustee Rogers: Can you, Sonia, are you still

[5:42:48] Trustee Rogers: there?

[5:42:51] Voice 7: Oh, I'm stopping her now. So I think that works.

[5:42:57] Trustee Rogers: We're still seeing it.

[5:42:58] Voice 7: No, it's still there.

[5:43:01] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[5:43:02] Voice 7: I don't know where she went. Oh, there we go.

[5:43:06] Trustee Rogers: There you go. Okay, Ms. Dofer, if you could

[5:43:08] Trustee Rogers: try and share your screen briefly.

[5:43:20] Voice 18: Okay so this is the the roughly the latest connected coast map.

[5:43:29] Voice 18: Let me turn a few things off so it's not so hard to look at.

[5:43:34] Trustee Rogers: Yeah you're gonna have to make it

[5:43:36] Trustee Rogers: quite a bit bigger.

[5:43:38] Voice 18: Yeah okay so you can see that the nature of the connected coast project it's

[5:43:44] Voice 18: very extensive. It would be great to include Gabriola in the mix. Okay so

[5:43:54] Voice 18: where are we looking at the islands of interest?

[5:43:57] Voice 19: So I don't, what's the white

[5:43:59] Voice 19: line?

[5:44:00] Voice 18: That's our north or southbound leg that goes and does the Gulf

[5:44:06] Voice 18: Islands.

[5:44:06] Trustee Rogers: Okay so it goes right by the two islands we just asked about. Yeah. It goes,

[5:44:13] Trustee Rogers: you see the the island that's sort of right between and then uh and the one that looks

[5:44:19] Trustee Rogers: like there's actually a junction on is that the is that the coursey no

[5:44:25] Voice 13: it says that's

[5:44:26] Voice 13: that's all there

[5:44:27] Voice 13: we're too far south yeah you got to go up a little bit

[5:44:33] Trustee Colbourne: there's thetis

[5:44:34] Trustee Colbourne: yeah

[5:44:35] Voice 19: it's about that go

[5:44:39] Trustee Rogers: further so is

[5:44:40] Voice 18: it this island uh

[5:44:42] Trustee Rogers: no it's it's it's that's that's my

[5:44:46] Trustee Colbourne: mud

[5:44:46] Trustee Rogers: yeah that's much and that and the one below it is decorcy your

[5:44:52] Trustee Colbourne: cursor is on decorcy right now

[5:44:54] Trustee Colbourne: and the one above it that looks like a salmon is much okay so

[5:44:59] Voice 18: those are of interest yeah

[5:45:01] Voice 13: okay

[5:45:03] Voice 18: um

[5:45:03] Voice 18: i can't make any promises but we are very much motivated to connect every everyone that's

[5:45:12] Voice 18: interested in getting connected and we're very we're capable of finding funds or shipping

[5:45:20] Voice 18: some of our landing sites are on our original proposals were not of that much value

[5:45:27] Voice 18: so there is an opportunity to ship landings around to to serve more needy uh areas

[5:45:36] Voice 18: so there is there is a possibility and it wouldn't be a great expense because you can

[5:45:41] Voice 18: see that our primary route is going right by there so um we can definitely keep that conversation

[5:45:50] Voice 18: alive now phase wise we're not doing this right now this was kind of will will be this will be

[5:45:57] Voice 18: next year so there is time to you know work some things around and see what can be done okay

[5:46:08] Trustee Rogers: generally any other trustees any other questions for this i mean i'm i'm thinking that a letter

[5:46:13] Trustee Rogers: that sets out our support subject to the concurrence of the SNAMIC and then encouraging

[5:46:20] Trustee Rogers: them to include Mudge and DeCourcy in their planning is probably is what I'm sort of thinking

[5:46:25] Trustee Rogers: about but I look to you for guidance or questions. I

[5:46:31] Trustee Rogers: agree. I agree as well.

[5:46:32] Trustee Rogers: Okay so let's have a

[5:46:36] Trustee Rogers: motion so why don't we say that a have a motion the letter of support will be provided to

[5:46:43] Trustee Rogers: Is it going to Bay Link? Is that who it goes or the Connected Coast?

[5:46:46] Trustee Rogers: I

[5:46:47] Voice 18: would address it to the project owners

[5:46:50] Voice 18: and I can get you those details.

[5:46:55] Voice 19: Okay, it's a little letter.

[5:46:58] Voice 18: Connected Coast Network Corporation, something like that.

[5:47:03] Voice 18: We'll

[5:47:04] Trustee Rogers: get the details, but maybe a motion that says

[5:47:06] Trustee Rogers: a letter of support for

[5:47:10] Trustee Rogers: for Connected Coast landing on Gabriola,

[5:47:17] Trustee Rogers: subject to the concurrence on the location

[5:47:21] Trustee Rogers: by the Tsunami First Nations,

[5:47:25] Trustee Rogers: be prepared under the signature of the chair

[5:47:31] Trustee Rogers: and that the letter include

[5:47:34] Trustee Rogers: include a request that Mudge and DeCourcy be considered as landing spots as well.

[5:47:45] Trustee Rogers: So again,

[5:47:47] Trustee Rogers: Nadine, that was a very scattered kind of motion, but if you can capture it.

[5:47:53] Trustee Rogers: She's a psychic minute taker.

[5:47:56] Voice 3: I've got it. Just the last part, request that Mudge and DeCourcy be considered for landing

[5:48:02] Voice 3: landing sites as well landing what is the term landing

[5:48:06] Trustee Rogers: sites i think it is landing sites it's

[5:48:09] Trustee Rogers: good yeah that's exactly what it is

[5:48:11] Voice 3: perfect okay

[5:48:12] Trustee Rogers: so that's been moved and seconded all in favor

[5:48:15] Voice 19: thanks very much gentlemen thanks for sticking around we'll get that letter out i'll i'll work

[5:48:19] Voice 19: with staff to prepare it and get it out in the next couple of days okay

[5:48:22] Voice 18: and if you need any

[5:48:23] Voice 18: details or uh just just reach out and we'll get you get someone

[5:48:27] Trustee Rogers: has your contact information i

[5:48:29] Trustee Rogers: issue yeah yeah

[5:48:30] Trustee Rogers: not necessarily me okay

[5:48:32] Voice 18: thank you so much everyone thank

[5:48:34] Trustee Rogers: you hopefully your

[5:48:35] Trustee Rogers: day

[5:48:35] Voice 18: doesn't go on too long well

[5:48:37] Trustee Rogers: we're going back to deal with another matter right now

[5:48:39] Trustee Rogers: we're going back to the housing option no no the land use bylaw amendments to expand community

[5:48:45] Trustee Rogers: interest project so here's the complication we have to figure out how to deal with um

[5:48:51] Trustee Rogers: trustee langaris's potential conflict and how what the things he needs to pull out of and not

[5:48:56] Trustee Rogers: Bill Willow. Mr. Dofer, thank you for joining us. If you're really interested in how a special

[5:49:04] Trustee Rogers: interest... You

[5:49:07] Voice 18: know what? It's been actually quite interesting and I enjoyed the time I

[5:49:12] Voice 18: watched, but I think I'll leave it to you guys. Thanks very much. Do you have any thoughts about

[5:49:19] Voice 19: that?

[5:49:20] Voice 13: Well, there's one or two ways. Either I recuse myself completely or it gets separated.

[5:49:25] Voice 13: yeah

[5:49:25] Trustee Rogers: so which parts need to be separated in your mind sorry which which parts need to be

[5:49:33] Trustee Rogers: separated because there's sort of a generic motion yeah and then the second one sort of

[5:49:39] Trustee Rogers: gets into it but as soon as we start to consider the the um project starter references it references

[5:49:46] Trustee Rogers: is uh um uh the um uh the the recycling place so yeah

[5:49:56] Voice 13: that's the problem is that it's it's um

[5:49:58] Voice 13: it actually would have to be two changes to the bylaw um i think i'm going to recuse myself

[5:50:07] Trustee Rogers: but why don't you just let us work our way through this and

[5:50:10] Trustee Rogers: well someone will text you when it's time to come back okay thanks uh

[5:50:20] Trustee Rogers: Yeah,

[5:50:22] Voice 12: so this is a in response to delegations that you had at the last meeting for gyro and

[5:50:31] Voice 12: PHC. We did a kind of preliminary look through the bylaws and had some ideas about how to move

[5:50:40] Voice 12: forward with some changes that might help them do what they want to do, but not be so extensive

[5:50:47] Voice 12: that it would also require a lot of public engagement.

[5:50:50] Voice 12: I tried to put together a project charter

[5:50:54] Voice 12: that I thought could result in bylaw amendments

[5:50:57] Voice 12: that could, where public hearings could be waived

[5:51:01] Voice 12: if that's the way you wanted to do it.

[5:51:04] Voice 12: So that's kind of what we've presented to you.

[5:51:08] Voice 12: The cannabis bylaw, now that it's not complete complete,

[5:51:12] Voice 12: this may still have to wait a little bit

[5:51:14] Voice 12: in terms of getting staff resources,

[5:51:15] Voice 12: but this this this is the beginning of a project to

[5:51:22] Trustee Rogers: answer your questions so there were a couple

[5:51:25] Trustee Rogers: of questions flagged by Denver Farrens and I think him and I'm sorry it's getting late so

[5:51:33] Trustee Rogers: I'm losing but I think it was around the word manufacturing if I'm

[5:51:36] Trustee Rogers: remembering correctly in

[5:51:39] Trustee Rogers: terms of the yeah

[5:51:39] Trustee Colbourne: and I believe that was former trustee Giselle Roescher who emailed I think

[5:51:46] Trustee Colbourne: around yesterday uh late in the day um and i i just had some quick after receiving that i had

[5:51:53] Trustee Colbourne: the same concerns about the word manufacturing i think it's a degree beyond what they're putting

[5:51:57] Trustee Colbourne: forward and contemplating um and gyro um um in response to me today agreed that they felt like

[5:52:06] Trustee Colbourne: that was not um reflective of of the process that they're that they're doing and that it opens it up

[5:52:12] Trustee Colbourne: up to that sort of potential to expand that,

[5:52:18] Trustee Colbourne: the intensity of the use in the institutional zone.

[5:52:22] Trustee Colbourne: So I'm wondering if there's a better word to use

[5:52:27] Trustee Colbourne: than manufacturing or a better phrase

[5:52:28] Trustee Colbourne: or something that takes into account the low impact.

[5:52:31] Trustee Colbourne: We did ask about water resources and everything

[5:52:34] Trustee Colbourne: and this would be low impact,

[5:52:36] Trustee Colbourne: but manufacturing kind of implies a more industrial scale

[5:52:39] Trustee Colbourne: and would imply that a light industrial zone

[5:52:42] Trustee Colbourne: would be better for this whereas this is obviously a recycling thing we're using light textiles with

[5:52:47] Trustee Colbourne: without toxins so

[5:52:49] Voice 17: and

[5:52:52] Voice 12: we could i mean if i could share um if we removed the word manufacturing

[5:52:57] Voice 12: um from the project charter we could um we could address that in particular um but it also

[5:53:05] Voice 12: So the project charter can be more generic just for, you know, but that might, eliminating the word manufacturing might just fix that issue.

[5:53:16] Voice 12: Yeah, I don't

[5:53:19] Trustee Rogers: need to replace it because

[5:53:24] Trustee Colbourne: that repair processing and sale of recycled goods is what's being contemplated.

[5:53:29] Trustee Colbourne: so right

[5:53:30] Voice 19: so why don't we just um amend well

[5:53:37] Trustee Rogers: that would we're okay with motion one if we want to do

[5:53:41] Trustee Rogers: this uh motion two we would amend the project charter to take out the reference to manufacturing

[5:53:48] Trustee Rogers: in the in scope right and then and then motion three would be we just take out and manufacturing

[5:53:59] Trustee Rogers: Councillor John Gallo.

[5:53:59] Trustee Rogers: manufacturing as from 3A.

[5:54:04] Trustee Rogers: Does that make sense, Trustee

[5:54:06] Trustee Rogers: Colburn?

[5:54:08] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, that makes sense.

[5:54:15] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, that makes sense.

[5:54:17] Trustee Rogers: Why don't we do that?

[5:54:18] Trustee Rogers: Why don't we move number 1?

[5:54:21] Trustee Rogers: Do you want to make motion number

[5:54:23] Trustee Rogers: 1?

[5:54:25] Trustee Rogers: It's on page 170.

[5:54:27] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Thank

[5:54:28] Trustee Colbourne: you, I think, at this stage in the project because we're already getting into that words making phase, and you know I think a little bit of vagueness is probably what we're after here that the Gabriel I local trust committee and amendments to the Gabriel land use by law to uses as a project that operatively.

[5:54:47] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, i'll second that, thank you for bringing this to us other client or car so.

[5:54:53] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Any discussion, otherwise i'll call the vote okay that passes.

[5:54:58] Trustee Rogers: So we need to just amend the project charter because it actually references manufacturing in it as well.

[5:55:05] Trustee Rogers: And I think we just want to see. So that's the in scope section on page 173 to amend the ion zone by allowing.

[5:55:14] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, amend the project charter by remove to remove the word manufacturing from scope.

[5:55:24] Trustee Rogers: Right. Yeah.

[5:55:26] Trustee Rogers: OK, so I'll make that motion.

[5:55:28] Trustee Rogers: and uh all in favor i think that was seconded by you so that passes and then we go back to number

[5:55:36] Trustee Rogers: two uh on page 170 and we're going to move it with endorse the amendments to the gabriel land

[5:55:43] Trustee Rogers: use bylaw to expand project charter via one as amended but

[5:55:50] Trustee Colbourne: i just i'm going back to what gyro

[5:55:52] Trustee Colbourne: put forward basic repair recreating textiles to usable objects for sale but it makes sense just

[5:55:58] Trustee Colbourne: to put forward their stated use instead of getting into processing processing also appears in light

[5:56:02] Trustee Colbourne: industrial so if we just sort of and that's obviously going to change in in the course of

[5:56:08] Trustee Colbourne: the project itself but i'm wondering if just basic repair recreating textiles to objects for sale is

[5:56:15] Trustee Colbourne: what they put forward we

[5:56:16] Voice 12: thought that the fact that they were taking materials and and creating

[5:56:22] Voice 12: another product from those materials, there has to be a word for that, and processing

[5:56:28] Voice 14: seemed

[5:56:29] Voice 12: to be the word, if manufacturing is not,

[5:56:33] Trustee Colbourne: but again, this

[5:56:35] Voice 12: is just the project charter,

[5:56:37] Voice 12: all of this could be debated later, right?

[5:56:40] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, we could just say a textile recycling,

[5:56:44] Trustee Colbourne: you know, the textile recycling program, you know, and then allow that to frame

[5:56:52] Trustee Colbourne: frame so that would

[5:56:54] Trustee Colbourne: be wasn't

[5:56:57] Trustee Rogers: this the problem last month is is that we thought that recycling

[5:57:01] Trustee Rogers: wasn't a broad enough term to allow this this recreation of materials wasn't that the issue

[5:57:09] Trustee Rogers: that we said we need those uh legal anyway yeah

[5:57:14] Trustee Colbourne: and absence that legal thing we're just trying

[5:57:16] Trustee Colbourne: to get the the project scope right

[5:57:19] Trustee Rogers: so can i suggest we just use processing and repair and

[5:57:24] Trustee Rogers: just go with that and then we can debate the language later yeah yep yep yeah

[5:57:29] Trustee Colbourne: yeah okay so

[5:57:31] Trustee Rogers: the gabriel and local endorsed the amendments to the gabriel land use bylaw to expand community

[5:57:35] Trustee Rogers: uses project charter v1.0 as amended okay so that's my motion that's seconded all in favor

[5:57:43] Trustee Rogers: that passes unanimously and uh and then i think we just make three a and b but take out the word

[5:57:50] Trustee Rogers: and manufacturing so do you want to make that motion um trustee culver yeah

[5:57:58] Trustee Colbourne: the gabriel island

[5:57:59] Trustee Colbourne: local trust committee request staff to prepare draft amendments to the gabriel island land use

[5:58:03] Trustee Colbourne: bylaw that will allow the repair processing and manufacturing of used items for sale as accessory

[5:58:07] Trustee Colbourne: uses in the industrial we're

[5:58:08] Voice 19: taking out the words and manufacturing

[5:58:09] Trustee Colbourne: yeah allow the repair processing

[5:58:13] Trustee Colbourne: of used items for sales accessory uses in the institutional one zone associated with recycling

[5:58:17] Trustee Colbourne: cycling center on lands as shown in schedule c map 7 of the gabriel island land use bylaw

[5:58:22] Trustee Colbourne: and b allow a community center as a primary use in the institutional one zone removing

[5:58:26] Trustee Colbourne: geographic locations okay

[5:58:28] Trustee Rogers: and i'll second that and you have anything further you want to discuss

[5:58:32] Trustee Rogers: i

[5:58:33] Trustee Colbourne: just because we the discussions with the agricultural co-op sort of happened

[5:58:36] Trustee Colbourne: after i just wanted to make sure i'm not sure what those discussions entailed

[5:58:41] Trustee Colbourne: so it's difficult to make a decision right now what's in the scope or not of this project i'm

[5:58:45] Trustee Colbourne: I'm not sure how much you're able to share at this point,

[5:58:48] Trustee Colbourne: but I just wanted to discuss that quickly

[5:58:49] Trustee Colbourne: before we vote on this.

[5:58:51] Voice 12: Yeah, it has to do in part with the definition

[5:58:55] Voice 12: of limited public market and the hours of operation.

[5:58:58] Voice 12: And having looked at the LUB and the OCP,

[5:59:04] Voice 12: it appears we might need some OCP amendments

[5:59:06] Voice 12: along with the LUB amendments

[5:59:08] Voice 12: in order to address what they wanna do.

[5:59:10] Voice 12: do. So doing what they want to do would require a longer process. We wouldn't be able to waive

[5:59:18] Voice 12: the public hearing. And there's a standing

[5:59:21] Trustee Colbourne: resolution regarding bylaw enforcement in

[5:59:23] Trustee Colbourne: terms of the limited public market in any case, right? Which is just continuing.

[5:59:29] Voice 12: Yeah, I'm not

[5:59:30] Voice 12: sure on that. Sonia might be able to speak to that one. I'm not sure on that one. But yeah,

[5:59:33] Planner Zupanec: that's correct.

[5:59:34] Planner Zupanec: The standing resolution is still in effect. So there's no change there.

[5:59:39] Trustee Colbourne: okay

[5:59:42] Trustee Rogers: that was my only question okay so and we can always amend the project charter

[5:59:47] Trustee Rogers: at some point in the future we've done that a few times in my career so uh i'll call the question

[5:59:54] Trustee Rogers: all in favor that passes anything else on this otherwise we can get mr lang trustee langrose

[6:00:01] Trustee Rogers: um how do we get a hold of case i don't even know if i have his text i've never i don't know

[6:00:11] Trustee Rogers: if i've ever phoned case i

[6:00:13] Voice 7: can give him a quick call okay

[6:00:15] Trustee Rogers: thanks um my suggestion is before he

[6:00:20] Trustee Rogers: gets back uh well we'll receive some correspondence that we've already received uh okay i'm just

[6:00:29] Trustee Rogers: looking at where we're at can

[6:00:35] Trustee Colbourne: i ask like what's the time cut off for these meetings we've never

[6:00:38] Trustee Colbourne: we don't

[6:00:39] Trustee Rogers: have one we just and this is the problem with we've recognized with zoom meetings i don't

[6:00:45] Trustee Rogers: have to catch a ferry and uh you know that's always been the limitation at some point right

[6:00:51] Trustee Rogers: yes nadine when do you have to leave

[6:00:52] Voice 3: um i'm okay i but just can i take a quick one minute break

[6:00:57] Voice 3: yes

[6:00:58] Trustee Rogers: and we should we should try and work towards a time cut off i think we you know we should never

[6:01:03] Trustee Rogers: we're starting at 1030, we should never be going past four.

[6:01:07] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[6:01:11] Voice 12: Chair, I would say the social needs assessment line item

[6:01:15] Voice 12: could probably be removed.

[6:01:17] Voice 12: I have, I'm actually working with the RDN

[6:01:19] Voice 12: to see if they can bring a delegation to next meeting.

[6:01:23] Trustee Rogers: Well, and I don't know what Mr.

[6:01:25] Trustee Rogers: what trustee Langer wants to do with his email

[6:01:27] Trustee Rogers: regarding the model sale tower information.

[6:01:31] Trustee Rogers: Because I think that could be moved as well,

[6:01:33] Trustee Rogers: but let me, let's wait till case get back.

[6:01:35] Trustee Rogers: and then and then literally i think we're almost done except

[6:01:41] Voice 16: for the in-camera meeting i'll be back

[6:01:44] Voice 16: in a minute or two everybody's left me now oh oh hi we're almost there not not quite

[6:02:01] Trustee Rogers: so

[6:02:02] Voice 7: his phone went to voicemail so i'm gonna see if i can dig up a cell phone number for him

[6:02:06] Voice 7: i will uh try that i've sent an email and i've phoned his uh his phone number but i'll see if

[6:02:12] Voice 7: i can dig up another number

[6:02:14] Trustee Rogers: i assumed he just turned his camera oh there he is he's back

[6:02:19] Trustee Rogers: uh i just saw him anyway there he is okay hi hi trustee langaris we're almost uh we're at um

[6:02:25] Trustee Rogers: we finished that item and we're uh and we just took a very short break so that the uh trustee

[6:02:32] Trustee Rogers: uh colburn could um uh have a slight comfort break and i think nadine you're back right

[6:02:40] Trustee Rogers: thank you and uh as soon as scott's back we'll just sort of move through the rest of the agenda

[6:02:49] Trustee Rogers: yeah and then uh i i know lisa's still with us for our

[6:02:55] Voice 16: in-camera session what's your number today

[6:03:04] Voice 16: now lisa are you over are you still collecting numbers i can't hear you i can ask you when we

[6:03:21] Voice 16: go on camera

[6:03:22] Trustee Rogers: okay uh

[6:03:23] Voice 6: sorry it might pass 240 000 today or tonight nice that's

[6:03:32] Trustee Rogers: nice okay so thank

[6:03:33] Trustee Rogers: you we're there are no delegations we have a couple pieces of correspondence which are on our

[6:03:37] Trustee Rogers: agenda which we've already talked about uh some i don't intend to i don't think we need to do

[6:03:43] Trustee Rogers: anything with either of them i forwarded the one that went to the premier to the executives just

[6:03:47] Trustee Rogers: because it was addressed to the province uh anything arising for either of you from those

[6:03:55] Trustee Rogers: no okay there's a new business uh we just heard from heather that she said she's on the social

[6:04:01] Trustee Rogers: needs assessment that she's working with someone um from the rdn or somewhere to come and make a

[6:04:08] Trustee Rogers: delegation to us is that correct so we don't so there is no so we'll wait for that delegation

[6:04:13] Trustee Rogers: unless somebody does anybody have any questions about that no um we've dealt with the connected

[6:04:20] Trustee Rogers: and the 13.3 is your email correspondence,

[6:04:25] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Langeiras, do you wish to deal with that today?

[6:04:29] Voice 13: Yeah, it's just really a question at the end there

[6:04:32] Voice 13: that I put in.

[6:04:33] Voice 13: I did just determine what the difference is

[6:04:36] Voice 13: between the model sell strategy that the trust developed

[6:04:41] Voice 13: and the model strategy that I had developed

[6:04:45] Voice 13: or the original 2010.

[6:04:47] Voice 13: And basically, there's a reduction in the amount of public consultation on, other than new towers, any amendments to addition of small cell relay units on telephone poles, on buildings, etc., as long as it's under the 15 feet, and there's no increase beyond 25% in the height.

[6:05:12] Voice 13: So there is, I think, a major reduction in the amount of consultation that is required for that.

[6:05:21] Voice 13: And also, I also checked into about BC Hydro, and BC Hydro is not a telecommunications provider.

[6:05:27] Voice 13: So my understanding is that our strategy doesn't apply to BC Hydro.

[6:05:33] Voice 13: They use the technology, and they're subject to the Health Canada requirements around that technology, but not.

[6:05:40] Voice 13: So, I mean, we voted on the 2010, and I voted against it.

[6:05:48] Voice 13: I put forward a motion to revise it.

[6:05:52] Voice 13: It was defeated, as I recall.

[6:05:55] Voice 13: And I know I've been accused of keeping this item going, but there was agreement that I would check out the level of protection that was provided in terms of the model I had done versus the trust model.

[6:06:10] Voice 13: and there is a major reduction as far as i'm concerned so i don't know that i'm in a position

[6:06:17] Voice 13: of putting forward a motion again to put something that's already been defeated other than i think

[6:06:23] Voice 13: it's it's up if either of you feel that you're satisfied that the reduction in consultation

[6:06:31] Voice 13: public consultation is is fine then so be it but that's really the gist of it because right now

[6:06:41] Voice 13: Now cell towers that exist, they can now convert to 5G and start putting the small cell relay

[6:06:47] Voice 13: units without having to come to the community.

[6:06:50] Trustee Rogers: But they don't have to come to the community because the federal government who regulates

[6:06:55] Trustee Rogers: those things says they don't have to come

[6:06:56] Voice 13: to the community.

[6:06:57] Voice 13: Whereas the 2010 strategy and the model strategy I put forward, they would have to come forward

[6:07:05] Voice 13: because they-

[6:07:05] Trustee Rogers: On what basis can we make them come forward if we don't have any

[6:07:09] Trustee Rogers: regulatory control over

[6:07:10] Trustee Rogers: the

[6:07:11] Voice 13: federal government says that if there's a local strategy they have to follow the local

[6:07:17] Voice 13: strategy now

[6:07:18] Trustee Rogers: only if it it falls within the consultation requirements of the federal act

[6:07:25] Trustee Rogers: they only have to come to us if if if the if the strategy if they are required to by the

[6:07:33] Trustee Rogers: legislation because of the that's always been my understanding if i'm wrong on that then i'll i'll

[6:07:39] Trustee Rogers: stand corrected but my understanding is is that where they have a duty of consultation then they

[6:07:44] Trustee Rogers: have to follow the local strategy but where they don't have a duty of consultation on on issues as

[6:07:50] Trustee Rogers: like what you're talking about they don't have to come to the local government now that's my

[6:07:55] Trustee Rogers: understanding i stand corrected if i stand corrected oh yeah

[6:07:58] Voice 13: so what you're saying then

[6:08:00] Voice 13: is that if we have a a strategy that adds some requirements that they don't have they can just

[6:08:08] Voice 13: ignore it that it has to follow the the federal uh base model which sort of belies why no no it's

[6:08:16] Trustee Rogers: not that they have to follow the base model uh they have to fall they but there are set what's

[6:08:22] Trustee Rogers: set out in the legislation as as i understand it um and i as i said i stand to be corrected

[6:08:30] Trustee Rogers: is what it said says is is here are the things that you have to do public consultation on

[6:08:37] Trustee Rogers: and it sets out that criteria for those things that they need to do consultation on.

[6:08:43] Trustee Rogers: On those things that they have to do consultation on, they have their base model consultation,

[6:08:50] Trustee Rogers: and what they say is if there's a local consultation model, you have to follow that

[6:08:57] Trustee Rogers: consultation model as opposed to ours. But as I understand it, it's always just on the things that

[6:09:03] Trustee Rogers: that they set out that you have to get through local consultation.

[6:09:07] Voice 13: That you can't add to it. Is that what you're saying?

[6:09:11] Trustee Rogers: I'm saying we can't say,

[6:09:13] Trustee Rogers: if they say it's every tower over 15 meters or whatever the number is,

[6:09:17] Trustee Rogers: and I'm sorry,

[6:09:18] Trustee Rogers: we can't pass a local consultation bylaw that says, no, no,

[6:09:21] Trustee Rogers: it's everything over three meters. They don't have to follow that.

[6:09:25] Trustee Rogers: That's what I'm saying.

[6:09:26] Trustee Rogers: I don't think we can change the criteria or add to the criteria.

[6:09:31] Trustee Rogers: I mean, we could try,

[6:09:32] Trustee Rogers: but I'm not sure that you know you can pass whatever you want but I think that they can

[6:09:37] Trustee Rogers: bypass it if it doesn't meet with their their legislative requirement so

[6:09:41] Voice 13: yeah yeah so equipment

[6:09:43] Voice 13: upgrades if they have 4G and they go to 5G they can right now before under 2010 that's why it

[6:09:50] Voice 13: asks us the question did they have to come and consult us if they went from 4G to 5G based on

[6:09:55] Voice 13: the wording of the model strategy that we had in place in 2010 otherwise they wouldn't have

[6:10:02] Voice 13: asked that question

[6:10:03] Trustee Colbourne: well they were asking for clarity for business planning which is

[6:10:06] Trustee Colbourne: business business case yeah but it means

[6:10:09] Voice 13: i kind of

[6:10:10] Trustee Colbourne: come you know i interpret my i would like the

[6:10:14] Trustee Colbourne: trust and it's and it's planning department who um created the model because this is this is what

[6:10:21] Trustee Colbourne: we're trying to do more in the trust is that you know the committee creates a model bylaw

[6:10:25] Trustee Colbourne: it goes out to the LTCs who adapted or adopted or whatever I had some interpretation questions

[6:10:31] Trustee Colbourne: around the hydropoles and I read it to mean they're using the the hydropoles turns them

[6:10:39] Trustee Colbourne: into telecommunication carriers or third-party carriers as it's worded and antenna systems and

[6:10:44] Trustee Colbourne: so I had thought that that would include that element of it and I had asked senior planners

[6:10:48] Trustee Colbourne: for some interpretive stuff and I haven't heard back that's why I was hoping the regional planning

[6:10:52] Trustee Colbourne: committee we have the resources to get these questions these interpretive legal questions

[6:10:56] Trustee Colbourne: answered um so that we you know we can be definitive in our decision making um

[6:11:01] Voice 13: well it's

[6:11:02] Voice 13: on i put it i tried to get it on the last agenda the regional planning committee but the agenda

[6:11:07] Voice 13: was too full so i'm putting it forward again in the august meeting so yeah

[6:11:11] Trustee Colbourne: i would really like us

[6:11:14] Trustee Colbourne: to be able to answer these difficult questions from a regulatory framework point of view because

[6:11:17] Voice 13: it

[6:11:18] Trustee Colbourne: was created within the trust and we've adopted it and let's you know um okay i'll take

[6:11:24] Trustee Rogers: it up with

[6:11:24] Trustee Rogers: you i feel like i'm being you think i'm being argumentative but i'm not no no

[6:11:29] Trustee Rogers: i actually i

[6:11:29] Trustee Rogers: actually i'm not opposed to extended to more extensive public consultation if we have the

[6:11:37] Trustee Rogers: authority to do it um and so i i'll go back and read the the um uh read the um uh the report

[6:11:47] Trustee Rogers: that's attached to the model bylaws again but that was always my understanding was that we were not

[6:11:54] Trustee Rogers: we couldn't put in place a a more extensive need for consultation beyond what the criteria were

[6:12:02] Trustee Rogers: were in the whatever the act is i forgot what the act is

[6:12:06] Voice 13: telecommunications

[6:12:07] Trustee Rogers: do that so if you can

[6:12:09] Trustee Rogers: get some clarification from the regional planning committee or from staff that'd be great i know

[6:12:13] Trustee Rogers: that the government said the federal government says this is all they have to consult on i know

[6:12:19] Trustee Rogers: and i and i think those those are probably way out of date um and as we move into two new two

[6:12:25] Trustee Rogers: tech type of knowledge it would be great to have be able to have yeah okay

[6:12:29] Voice 13: i'll do some more work

[6:12:30] Voice 13: thanks

[6:12:31] Trustee Rogers: a lot case i i don't think you're harping on it i just think uh and so i don't think i'm

[6:12:36] Trustee Rogers: not too critical at all okay

[6:12:38] Trustee Colbourne: yeah i mean either i i want to learn and i'm i'm i'm a little bit

[6:12:41] Trustee Colbourne: frustrated that it's been difficult to get these interpretive questions answered because this is

[6:12:44] Trustee Colbourne: this is some hard areas of of of interpretation so yeah

[6:12:49] Trustee Rogers: so can i

[6:12:50] Trustee Rogers: go we have a series of reports

[6:12:52] Trustee Rogers: uh anything on 14-1 from anybody other i mean beyond what we've already talked about

[6:12:58] Trustee Rogers: or 14-2 which we've already talked about first nations relationship building uh there's no report

[6:13:04] Trustee Rogers: from the trust conservancy i'm just going to run through these and if anybody puts their hands up

[6:13:08] Trustee Rogers: i'll stop applications report are there any questions about that yeah trustee colder

[6:13:13] Trustee Colbourne: i've

[6:13:14] Trustee Colbourne: got one about the church spruce subdivision um i've had a community member ask a question

[6:13:19] Trustee Colbourne: regarding um lots for sale when the road hasn't been approved and um the park dedication hasn't

[6:13:28] Trustee Colbourne: gone through so just sort of a process question if you're able to buy a lot and there's no road

[6:13:32] Trustee Colbourne: through it you know what what actually happens so those lots cut off where's the parkland

[6:13:37] Voice 13: dedication it's a strata sale and i think they can sell stratas before they're even built

[6:13:43] Voice 13: i think that you

[6:13:44] Voice 13: help us with that sonia might be able to answer that yeah

[6:13:47] Planner Zupanec: i can't speak to

[6:13:48] Planner Zupanec: how they're advertising the lots or what the legalities are of collecting deposits um the

[6:13:53] Planner Zupanec: subdivision is very close and i am uh as soon as this meeting's over preparing a final letter of

[6:14:02] Planner Zupanec: approval from the islands trust i don't know about the other conditions that are still pending but

[6:14:07] Planner Zupanec: all conditions related to the local trust committees for the subdivision has been

[6:14:16] Voice 13: Yeah, it's at pre-sale of things to be done yet in the Strata Property Act, I believe.

[6:14:27] Trustee Rogers: My only question about the applications you probably can't answer, Sonia, is I'd be interested

[6:14:31] Trustee Rogers: to know when we're going to finalize the Acorn Island matter, which we approved 21 months

[6:14:38] Trustee Rogers: ago.

[6:14:39] Trustee Rogers: And I know COVID got in the way, but it'd be great to know that that was done.

[6:14:43] Trustee Rogers: But maybe I'll ask Planner Cox when next time he's here.

[6:14:47] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, if there's no updates in the application log, then we don't have any additional information to provide.

[6:14:52] Planner Zupanec: The only update I can provide for Huxley is that I think that will be coming forward soon as they're getting ready for construction in the fall.

[6:15:01] Planner Zupanec: So you may see that development variance from it at your next meeting.

[6:15:10] Trustee Rogers: I'd forgotten there was a DVP attached to it.

[6:15:12] Trustee Rogers: I remember we whatever we did I can't even remember again that was early that was two years

[6:15:19] Trustee Rogers: ago I'm trying to remember what did we grant we granted something was it a rezoning no

[6:15:25] Voice 13: no it was

[6:15:26] Voice 13: a construction of the skate park no

[6:15:28] Trustee Rogers: I know what it is I just I just can't remember what technical

[6:15:31] Trustee Rogers: steps we had and what we still need to do really tree protection

[6:15:36] Planner Zupanec: plan associated with

[6:15:37] Planner Zupanec: with the reduction of parking spaces and tree protection.

[6:15:41] Planner Zupanec: So

[6:15:41] Trustee Rogers: your

[6:15:42] Planner Zupanec: next agenda might be beefy as well.

[6:15:45] Trustee Rogers: Thanks so much.

[6:15:47] Trustee Rogers: We have the adopted policies and standing resolutions.

[6:15:50] Trustee Rogers: Anything from anybody there?

[6:15:53] Trustee Rogers: There is no expense report, nothing, anything on the webpage.

[6:15:56] Trustee Rogers: I'm still trying to navigate my way through the new website.

[6:15:59] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[6:15:59] Trustee Rogers: I

[6:16:00] Voice 13: find it a struggle to find some things,

[6:16:03] Voice 13: older documents especially or uh project uh documents i'm

[6:16:09] Trustee Rogers: told it's it was designed to be

[6:16:10] Trustee Rogers: intuitive and i'm guessing my intuition is not very good um we have a top priorities and a project

[6:16:17] Trustee Rogers: list report does anybody have anything related to either not hearing anything then i'm going to ask

[6:16:25] Trustee Rogers: for a motion i'm going to say thank you very much to the two people derek and deborah who stayed with

[6:16:31] Trustee Rogers: us through the day um and uh anybody else who's watching uh thank you for sticking with us i'm

[6:16:37] Trustee Rogers: gonna ask for a motion to close the meeting the next meeting is uh july the 29th uh this location

[6:16:44] Trustee Rogers: to be announced i'm guessing it's going to be right here um on my computer screen looking at you

[6:16:50] Trustee Rogers: and uh thank you very much for that i don't think there's anything else other than the motion to

[6:16:54] Trustee Rogers: uh close the meeting thanks for okay i think

[6:16:58] Trustee Rogers: we're going to a separate link right i think

[6:17:00] Trustee Rogers: will send us out a separate letter.

[6:17:02] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I

[6:17:03] Voice 13: move that the meeting be closed to the public

[6:17:06] Voice 13: in accordance with the community charter

[6:17:07] Voice 13: part four division three section 90 subsection one A and D

[6:17:12] Voice 13: for the purpose of considering the appointment

[6:17:14] Voice 13: of housing advisory planning commission.

[6:17:16] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, that's actually the wrong motion.

[6:17:18] Trustee Rogers: And I thought, I'm sorry, I asked for a motion.

[6:17:23] Trustee Rogers: It's, I don't, I'm sorry, we have to add the considerate,

[6:17:28] Trustee Rogers: keep going the option of uh in camera minutes dated

[6:17:32] Voice 13: may 13 2021 and that the recorder and

[6:17:35] Voice 13: staff attend the meeting yeah

[6:17:37] Trustee Rogers: and we have to add and section 92b consideration of information

[6:17:40] Trustee Rogers: received and held in confidence relating oh right i'll uh i'll maybe email this uh i got this from

[6:17:48] Trustee Rogers: becky the other day and i forgot about it so uh i'll send it to you um nadine so you can record

[6:17:54] Trustee Rogers: to be recorded in the minutes.

[6:17:55] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[6:17:57] Trustee Rogers: And so is that seconded?

[6:18:00] Trustee Rogers: And we're going in camera.

[6:18:01] Trustee Rogers: All in favour?

[6:18:02] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, everyone.

[6:18:03] Trustee Rogers: We'll go to the separate link and we'll see you there.

[6:18:06] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, everybody.