Denman Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, July 6, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Fast: Welcome, everybody, to the regular business meeting of the Denman Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:07] Trustee Fast: So this morning, I'd like to thank everybody for joining us across the territories of the peoples,

[0:00:16] Trustee Fast: traditional territories of the Coast Salish people, especially the Comox and the Qualicum.

[0:00:21] Trustee Fast: And I'm really grateful to be here today and to be living in such a beautiful place, sustained through time.

[0:00:27] Trustee Fast: and I'm going to call the meeting to order and I want to begin by saying I'm introducing your

[0:00:37] Trustee Fast: local trustees who you probably know very well so the Denman Island local trust trustees are

[0:00:43] Trustee Fast: Laura Bershaken if you could wave Laura thank you and David Critchley David can you put up your

[0:00:51] Trustee Fast: oh okay great good now we know we can hear you and together the three of us I'm from coming to

[0:00:58] Trustee Fast: you from Bowen Island over in Howe Sound out Ketsam and from the territory of the Squamish

[0:01:04] Trustee Fast: and the Tsleil-Waututh and together we make up your local trust committee I'm the off-island chair

[0:01:10] Trustee Fast: and we're zooming in today of course because of COVID just because this will be recorded

[0:01:15] Trustee Fast: that's just for the record why we're doing it this way so I want to it's also being live stream

[0:01:24] Trustee Fast: so if there are people who are are having um connectivity troubles and you think you'd be

[0:01:30] Trustee Fast: able to see it better on a live stream uh you can and you just want to watch you can go there and

[0:01:36] Trustee Fast: find us and if you have any trouble technical or otherwise with the um trying to connect with this

[0:01:42] Trustee Fast: meeting in whatever way please contact will cottingham so she's um waving up there on the

[0:01:48] Trustee Fast: screen she's running the meeting and you can reach her at wcottingham at islandstrust.bc.ca

[0:01:57] Trustee Fast: sorry for all this uh boring technical stuff at the beginning but we need to do it anyway

[0:02:03] Trustee Fast: when we get to the town hall part of the meeting um if you could raise your digital hand to speak

[0:02:10] Trustee Fast: we'll have that uh down here at number five on our agenda that we're looking at today

[0:02:14] Trustee Fast: which is available at the islandstrust.bc.ca website if you haven't got one and um uh and i'll

[0:02:23] Trustee Fast: give you more information at the time but basically it's star nine to raise your hand and star six to

[0:02:28] Trustee Fast: unmute if you're using a phone to join the meeting so we appreciate everybody's understanding and

[0:02:33] Trustee Fast: this is going to be recorded too so if you do uh want to watch it later it will be uh at the

[0:02:39] Trustee Fast: island's trust website in a few days maybe tomorrow maybe sooner so i want to introduce

[0:02:44] Trustee Fast: some other staff people that are with us today um and that's uh vicki bachman is our professional

[0:02:50] Trustee Fast: minute taker there she is so all of the business that we conduct in this meeting is being captured

[0:02:56] Trustee Fast: um by vicki so if you hear me repeat things or ask questions um or check about connectivity it's

[0:03:02] Trustee Fast: because i want to make sure that everything is uh being captured and that everybody is still

[0:03:07] Trustee Fast: connected um heather cower is our regional planning manager hello heather and uh so she is

[0:03:14] Trustee Fast: is in charge of all the planning that happens through the Northern Office

[0:03:19] Trustee Fast: based on Gabriola Island for the Islands Trust.

[0:03:23] Trustee Fast: And Sonia Zupanets is our island planner.

[0:03:26] Trustee Fast: There's Sonia.

[0:03:27] Trustee Fast: And thank you, Sonia.

[0:03:28] Trustee Fast: And we've got planner Ian Cox is also going to join us today.

[0:03:32] Trustee Fast: There's Ian.

[0:03:33] Trustee Fast: And I want to bring in another character who we talk about,

[0:03:38] Trustee Fast: but who is not able to join us in electronic meetings.

[0:03:40] Trustee Fast: and i'm just going to say nature is here with us today so think about one of these little blocks

[0:03:47] Trustee Fast: little squares on your screen with uh chickadee or some kind of something that you like in nature

[0:03:52] Trustee Fast: in it because that's part of who we're working with today and i'd just like to say um um i'm

[0:04:02] Trustee Fast: just moved by uh the reconciliation efforts and the horrifying discoveries that um are being made

[0:04:11] Trustee Fast: and uh and um wish to support and recognize the reconciliation declaration that the

[0:04:18] Trustee Fast: honest trust has made and the efforts that we're going to talk about a bit in the meeting

[0:04:21] Trustee Fast: okay thank you and uh so um this is an official forum so it's an official meeting it's also a

[0:04:33] Trustee Fast: a place of employment.

[0:04:34] Trustee Fast: So if you have comments and suggestions

[0:04:37] Trustee Fast: and things you want to say in the town hall meeting,

[0:04:40] Trustee Fast: if you could direct them at us,

[0:04:42] Trustee Fast: your local elected trustees,

[0:04:44] Trustee Fast: that's part of participatory democracy

[0:04:46] Trustee Fast: is to have your voices and we need them,

[0:04:49] Trustee Fast: but we need to retain a civil and respectful

[0:04:52] Trustee Fast: and safe workplace.

[0:04:54] Trustee Fast: So staff get that through the laws of British Columbia,

[0:04:58] Trustee Fast: they're entitled to a safe workplace

[0:04:59] Trustee Fast: place. And participatory democracy needs the advice of our professional staff. It needs the

[0:05:08] Trustee Fast: input of your elected trustees who you have chosen from among the citizens on Denman and me running

[0:05:18] Trustee Fast: the meeting and your voices. So if we can all work together, that would be great to keep it

[0:05:23] Trustee Fast: friendly and be hard on the issues and easy on each other. That would be wonderful. So the agenda

[0:05:29] Trustee Fast: is before you i just have a couple of things i want to mention you'll see that there are

[0:05:34] Trustee Fast: uh page numbers missing uh beside um where is it here 9.4 this is the denman housing association

[0:05:45] Trustee Fast: that's because it is uh published as an addendum it came in a little late to get into the big uh

[0:05:52] Trustee Fast: agenda so um it's separate and you can find it at the website and um also there's one of the

[0:05:58] Trustee Fast: information items the highlights of the meeting is there as well so it's a two-part agenda today

[0:06:04] Trustee Fast: um anything else that i should know i should mention about the um uh meeting today did i

[0:06:12] Trustee Fast: miss anything no we're recording it's live streaming and uh so let's uh take it away

[0:06:20] Trustee Fast: how about this agenda trustees do we approve the agenda or does anybody have anything to add

[0:06:25] Trustee Fast: I see a thumbs up from Laura yes

[0:06:29] Trustee Critchley: and

[0:06:30] Trustee Fast: I hear yes and thumbs up from David thank

[0:06:32] Trustee Fast: you very much okay so the agenda is approved by consent and so we'll move on

[0:06:37] Trustee Fast: now to rise and report this is just to report from an in-camera meeting that's

[0:06:43] Trustee Fast: held without the public present that was a meeting we held May the 4th and what I

[0:06:48] Trustee Fast: have to report is that we adopted minutes of an earlier closed meeting

[0:06:52] Trustee Fast: held March 16th at that in-camera meeting. After this meeting, we're going to go to another

[0:06:59] Trustee Fast: in-camera meeting. There are sometimes things that have to be done in closed meetings. And

[0:07:04] Trustee Fast: according to the laws of British Columbia, by the way, you can look them up, local government act,

[0:07:08] Trustee Fast: community charter, somewhere in there. So reports. Now we're into trustee reports.

[0:07:15] Trustee Fast: Who would like to go first?

[0:07:17] Trustee Busheikin: I can go first because I'm actually, mine will be quite brief.

[0:07:22] Trustee Busheikin: brief, I didn't have a slew of meetings as I sometimes do. Although I mean, I was busy, I,

[0:07:31] Trustee Busheikin: you know, you can see these background reports about housing issues that are attached. So I was

[0:07:37] Trustee Busheikin: working on those. And it certainly gave me a lot of admiration for staff, because it there's,

[0:07:43] Trustee Busheikin: there's a lot to just even just compiling lists of other documents is quite a bit of work.

[0:07:50] Trustee Busheikin: um so i i was focusing quite a bit on that and um i'm really on getting ready for the upcoming

[0:07:59] Trustee Busheikin: press council meeting and doing a lot of background reading about the policy statement

[0:08:03] Trustee Busheikin: uh the only meeting i went to was dircon which is the uh the denman network of organizations

[0:08:12] Trustee Busheikin: that get together to talk about covid response which is still uh we're still meeting um because

[0:08:19] Trustee Busheikin: because this transitional period has plenty to talk about

[0:08:23] Trustee Busheikin: and coordinate, so, and, oh, and I attended

[0:08:30] Trustee Busheikin: the Bain Sound Forum, actually, I can't even remember

[0:08:31] Trustee Busheikin: if it was since the last meeting or before that,

[0:08:36] Trustee Busheikin: but it was since the last meeting.

[0:08:38] Trustee Busheikin: See, I don't, yeah, anyway, it was great.

[0:08:41] Trustee Busheikin: That group, the Bain Sound Lambert Channel Forum is,

[0:08:44] Trustee Busheikin: I feel really sort of becoming more mature and it's been a slow process but even though that

[0:08:53] Trustee Busheikin: takes patience I think it's really good because and I've said I said this at the meeting but I

[0:08:57] Trustee Busheikin: need to say it again I'm deeply grateful for all the people who did have done the hard work over

[0:09:03] Trustee Busheikin: the last couple years of getting a terms of reference and figuring out an organizational

[0:09:07] Trustee Busheikin: structure and looking for funding because a group like that needs that it's not going to keep

[0:09:14] Trustee Busheikin: keep functioning and being powerful as an ad hoc group.

[0:09:16] Trustee Busheikin: I know that's hard, tedious work without a lot of glory,

[0:09:20] Trustee Busheikin: but I think it is glorious.

[0:09:22] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm excited.

[0:09:24] Trustee Busheikin: I think that group will, you know,

[0:09:26] Trustee Busheikin: over the next few years will really start to show its worth.

[0:09:30] Trustee Busheikin: And I'm really glad it's happening.

[0:09:34] Trustee Fast: That's it.

[0:09:35] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, Trustee Boucherkin.

[0:09:38] Trustee Fast: How about you, Trustee Critchley?

[0:09:41] Trustee Critchley: Yes, thank you.

[0:09:42] Trustee Critchley: um so i have attended uh two meetings of the select committee of trust council which is

[0:09:49] Trustee Critchley: a committee that is um engaged consultants for a management review of trust operations

[0:09:57] Trustee Critchley: um those two meetings were with the consultants that have been hired and were i would describe

[0:10:05] Trustee Critchley: them as excellent meetings the quality of the people that we are working with is exceptional

[0:10:10] Trustee Critchley: professional, very inspiring. I think we're going to get a very good result. We have further

[0:10:18] Trustee Critchley: meetings scheduled. I'll just let people know these are public meetings and you can find them

[0:10:23] Trustee Critchley: on the Trust website. We have another one scheduled for the 12th of July and they will

[0:10:30] Trustee Critchley: be essentially monthly until the project is completed. So what else? I attended two meetings

[0:10:38] Trustee Critchley: of the Trust Programs Committee,

[0:10:41] Trustee Critchley: and they dealt with version one and version two,

[0:10:45] Trustee Critchley: respectively, of the new proposed draft

[0:10:50] Trustee Critchley: trust policy statement.

[0:10:53] Trustee Critchley: That document is like our constitution in a way.

[0:10:59] Trustee Critchley: It establishes principles about what the trust is all about,

[0:11:03] Trustee Critchley: and it contains a number of directive policies

[0:11:06] Trustee Critchley: which are binding on local trust committee.

[0:11:09] Trustee Critchley: So it's a very important document.

[0:11:11] Trustee Critchley: It's engendered a lot of discussion in the trust area,

[0:11:15] Trustee Critchley: some on Denman,

[0:11:17] Trustee Critchley: but I think more perhaps in the Southern Gulf Islands

[0:11:20] Trustee Critchley: become somewhat contentious with suggestions

[0:11:24] Trustee Critchley: that we're trying to ram it through

[0:11:27] Trustee Critchley: without public consultation of an appropriate level

[0:11:30] Trustee Critchley: and so forth.

[0:11:31] Trustee Critchley: So we have a trust council special meeting

[0:11:34] Trustee Critchley: meeting set for, well, I guess, Wednesday, tomorrow, and the Thursday. The Wednesday will be

[0:11:44] Trustee Critchley: a town hall type of arrangement in the evening so that people can phone in or appear on Zoom.

[0:11:54] Trustee Critchley: And on the Thursday, we'll be dealing with the second draft of the trust policy statement.

[0:12:02] Trustee Critchley: So what else? I also attended the Bain Sound Lambert Channel Forum, and as Trustee Bleszakina said, it was really a very good program, and there are a lot of inspiring people that attend this function.

[0:12:19] Trustee Critchley: We had our guest speakers were from the Comox Valley Conservation Partnership, and it was suggested that they tell us their history because we thought that possibly their method of organization, their mode of operation might be something which we could emulate or take elements from for the Maine Sound Forum as it continues on.

[0:12:48] Trustee Critchley: and I found that discussion very very interesting and these people are doing tremendous work

[0:12:55] Trustee Critchley: it's it was an eye-opener to me to realize that I think there are I think they said 26

[0:13:02] Trustee Critchley: organizations which are members of that conservation partnership and they're all

[0:13:07] Trustee Critchley: represented within the Comox Valley so we are a very environmentally aware and concerned society

[0:13:13] Trustee Critchley: society, not just on Denman, but throughout the Comox Valley. And that's a lovely thing to see.

[0:13:19] Trustee Critchley: Anyway, I also had one of the guests, we had several people from the Department of Fisheries

[0:13:25] Trustee Critchley: and Oceans, as we usually do, and including Dr. Terry Sutherland from Vancouver, who has done

[0:13:32] Trustee Critchley: research on the carrying capacity of Bain Sound. And we're looking to try and arrange for her to

[0:13:38] Trustee Critchley: to be the presenter at our next forum,

[0:13:41] Trustee Critchley: which will be in the fall of this year.

[0:13:44] Trustee Critchley: And Dr. Seldon just mentioned that whenever they came

[0:13:48] Trustee Critchley: to up to Denman and to Bain Sound to do their research,

[0:13:52] Trustee Critchley: they always said, here we are in the magic of Bain Sound.

[0:13:57] Trustee Critchley: And I thought that was so touching

[0:13:59] Trustee Critchley: from an outsider, so to speak,

[0:14:02] Trustee Critchley: but that's how it's appreciated

[0:14:03] Trustee Critchley: by somebody of her background as a biologist.

[0:14:08] Trustee Critchley: So I think that concludes my report.

[0:14:11] Trustee Critchley: Yeah, thank you.

[0:14:12] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, Trustee Critchley.

[0:14:15] Trustee Fast: And I'll just go briefly.

[0:14:18] Trustee Fast: I also attended Trust Programs Committee meetings and that kind of thing.

[0:14:23] Trustee Fast: And the meetings that both trustees talked about tomorrow and the next day are in our agenda here on page 140.

[0:14:33] Trustee Fast: And this is just to let you know that there's an information meeting, if you want to know more about the trust policy statement, there'll be a brief information meeting, I think 630 tomorrow before the town hall at seven begins, and then you're welcome to tune in any time on the eighth for the meeting starts at nine.

[0:14:57] Trustee Fast: Chair,

[0:14:58] Trustee Critchley: can I just jump in?

[0:15:00] Trustee Critchley: And when I looked and saw that I actually omitted the biggest event of the last two months, and we all did, which was actually attending Trust Council on June 8th and 9th.

[0:15:15] Trustee Critchley: You know, it occupies so much of our time, and there was a massive amount of preparation involved in anticipation of it.

[0:15:21] Trustee Critchley: it uh so just just a note for the record that we all attended that and uh there are our details of

[0:15:30] Trustee Critchley: what went on on that on the trust website thanks that's

[0:15:34] Trustee Fast: right thank you david yes that was david

[0:15:35] Trustee Busheikin: that's um yeah um sometimes time gets jumbled in my head clearly it's

[0:15:42] Trustee Fast: okay because i was going to

[0:15:43] Trustee Fast: pick it up so here is the highlights and anybody can subscribe to this you can get them in your

[0:15:48] Trustee Fast: email and uh just to let people know that that happened june 8th 9th and uh and we um uh made

[0:15:57] Trustee Fast: some slight changes to the updates really to the local trust committee correspondence policy

[0:16:02] Trustee Fast: if uh if you want to know nothing that will really change things um in the way things work

[0:16:09] Trustee Fast: um application and model fees bylaw i wanted to mention this because uh your uh trustee laura

[0:16:16] Trustee Fast: Barbara Shakin is the chair of the planning committee, and they have been working on this for a few years.

[0:16:22] Trustee Fast: So we might touch on this during the meeting, but that was a very good discussion, and Trust Council adopted that new policy, 5.6.1.

[0:16:34] Trustee Fast: Congratulations, Laura.

[0:16:35] Trustee Fast: And then we, Trust Council, adopted a couple of natural area tax exemption program certificates.

[0:16:43] Trustee Fast: So this is if you want to put a covenant on your land, you can get a reduction in your property taxes. And anyway, that's in their annual report for anybody interested in what's happening. Lots of good stuff in there, as well as information about these upcoming meetings.

[0:17:00] Trustee Fast: So just contact Will Cottingham, wcottingham at islandstrust.bc.ca if you have any trouble finding out how to subscribe to these emails.

[0:17:11] Trustee Fast: And then a couple more things I just wanted to mention.

[0:17:17] Trustee Fast: I'm on the Islands Trust Conservancy board as well.

[0:17:21] Trustee Fast: So we had a meeting on May 25th and expect more news coming soon.

[0:17:26] Trustee Fast: And I chaired the Hornby Local Trust Committee on May 21st and the Gambier-Keats Local Trust Committee over here in Howe Sound on May 27th.

[0:17:38] Trustee Fast: And I just wanted to mention the Howe Sound Community Forum has been running for 20 years.

[0:17:44] Trustee Fast: That's one that I belong to through Bowen Island and I guess Gambier-Keats.

[0:17:49] Trustee Fast: And they have been applying to become a UN biosphere region.

[0:17:59] Trustee Fast: And so that's looking very promising.

[0:18:02] Trustee Fast: They've passed another step.

[0:18:03] Trustee Fast: So expect a formal announcement in September is what we're working towards.

[0:18:11] Trustee Fast: And that's another interesting model.

[0:18:14] Trustee Fast: We come together in a different place.

[0:18:17] Trustee Fast: and uh um let me know if you want more info that's my report and uh electoral area uh i think

[0:18:25] Trustee Fast: daniel arbore hasn't been able to join us is that correct okay so we'll skip the um 4.3 and we're on

[0:18:34] Trustee Fast: now to uh the town hall portion so here um is where uh people can have a couple of minutes to

[0:18:43] Trustee Fast: speak I think what we've got in our guidelines about two minutes depending on who whoops wishes

[0:18:51] Trustee Fast: to speak well just a second here my screen changed and I see we've got some attendees with us and now

[0:18:59] Trustee Fast: is the time if you would like to speak then I would just ask you to put your hand up either

[0:19:05] Trustee Fast: with that icon at the bottom of your digital hand raise your digital hand or star nine on your phone

[0:19:14] Trustee Fast: I believe I'll get rid of that so I can see my other notes yes star nine to raise your hand

[0:19:22] Trustee Fast: star six to unmute but I'm not seeing any hands go up I see a couple of people there oh

[0:19:29] Trustee Fast: applicants so this is not the time for applicants to speak seeing no hands then I'm going to

[0:19:38] Trustee Fast: go on with the with our busy agenda then thank you everybody we'll move on then to delegations

[0:19:44] Trustee Fast: which we have none today and uh minutes for adoption um page four of our agenda is uh

[0:19:54] Trustee Fast: minutes from our last meeting any changes trustees no okay i'm just adjusting my screen

[0:20:03] Trustee Fast: none

[0:20:04] Trustee Busheikin: here okay

[0:20:05] Trustee Fast: so then by consent um we'll adopt uh the draft minutes as presented

[0:20:11] Trustee Fast: it yes thank

[0:20:13] Trustee Fast: you yeah very good good thank you and um those are the minutes of may the 4th and um

[0:20:22] Trustee Fast: page 11 you'll see we adopted one uh resolution without meeting which we can do by email

[0:20:27] Trustee Fast: under a very strict policy and um and this was uh on it's on page 11 anyway we responded to the

[0:20:40] Trustee Fast: the Hornby local trust committee asked us if we had any comments and we said,

[0:20:44] Trustee Fast: no, our interests are unaffected. So that's just reporting out.

[0:20:50] Trustee Fast: No minutes of the advisory planning commission.

[0:20:53] Trustee Fast: So we're into the follow-up action list 8.1 on our agenda page 12.

[0:21:01] Trustee Fast: And I've got to make this smaller so I can see. Okay.

[0:21:08] Trustee Fast: Another thing popped up. Anybody got anything about the follow-up action

[0:21:14] Trustee Fast: list i think i have a couple of things i'd like to ask about um heather if you're there

[0:21:24] Trustee Fast: um or sonia oh go ahead laura sorry i didn't

[0:21:28] Trustee Busheikin: see that's okay um and i should we use electronic

[0:21:32] Trustee Busheikin: hands or um is because it's a small group or like physical hands okay or physical

[0:21:37] Trustee Fast: hands are fine

[0:21:38] Trustee Fast: for for us i

[0:21:40] Trustee Busheikin: think today yeah okay um so yeah no just um i think i know the answer to this but uh

[0:21:45] Trustee Busheikin: Is there any information about the grant for the farm plan work?

[0:21:53] Trustee Busheikin: Sonia?

[0:21:54] Planner Zupanec: I can do that

[0:21:55] Planner Zupanec: now or at the project list later on in the agenda.

[0:21:58] Planner Zupanec: We just heard back yesterday from the IAF that they've conditionally accepted the application for the farm plan.

[0:22:06] Planner Zupanec: There's a few more pieces of information that they've requested that Mike Richards, our grants administrator,

[0:22:13] Planner Zupanec: and I will discuss tomorrow in terms of getting that to them

[0:22:16] Planner Zupanec: because there's a timeline associated

[0:22:18] Planner Zupanec: with making sure they have that information

[0:22:20] Planner Zupanec: as well as confirmation that you wish to proceed.

[0:22:24] Planner Zupanec: So as long as after today's meeting,

[0:22:26] Planner Zupanec: I have a sense that you are still intending

[0:22:28] Planner Zupanec: to keep the project list as is,

[0:22:30] Planner Zupanec: then I can confirm that with them

[0:22:33] Planner Zupanec: and initiate the more formal work plan

[0:22:37] Planner Zupanec: for commencing the farm plan implementation project.

[0:22:40] Planner Zupanec: project, which has a different title. I just don't have that in front of me right now.

[0:22:47] Trustee Busheikin: Great. Well, okay. We'll talk about it more at projects, but that's good news. Thanks.

[0:22:52] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[0:22:52] Trustee Fast: That's great. Yeah. My question is, I think it might be a Heather question about number one

[0:22:57] Trustee Fast: on the, or Sonia on the, on the list. It's the self tower application. Is that still alive?

[0:23:06] Trustee Fast: live? Does anybody know? It's up even further. Yeah. It's up even further. It's, it's on page

[0:23:14] Trustee Fast: 14. Top one. Anybody got any information about that? I'm just wondering if whether we wanted to

[0:23:26] know?

[0:23:28] Voice 6: I don't have any updates on it. Essentially, the way that this has been handled by other LTCs

[0:23:36] Voice 6: is we have the model cell tower strategy and if the ltcs want to adopt it they can and if they

[0:23:45] Voice 6: want to consider amending it they can add it to their project list um okay but i don't know that

[0:23:54] Voice 6: there's anything else that david would would be presenting okay i

[0:23:59] Trustee Fast: just wondered if it um because

[0:24:02] Trustee Fast: because it had been on our list here for a year, two years.

[0:24:07] Trustee Fast: And so I'm hearing no comment from local trustees.

[0:24:13] Trustee Fast: I'll move on to, I wanted to ask about 19th of January.

[0:24:19] Trustee Fast: So this is page 15.

[0:24:26] Trustee Fast: This is where we asked staff to bring up,

[0:24:28] Trustee Fast: it's more of a communication thing about

[0:24:30] Trustee Fast: what is the difference between a bed and breakfast

[0:24:32] Trustee Fast: and a secondary suite.

[0:24:33] Trustee Fast: But I guess maybe that's a Warren Dingman thing. Okay, never mind about that one. And then 16th of March, public participation guidelines. Yeah, bottom of page 15.

[0:24:51] Trustee Fast: um i'm wondering if we could uh uh take this off or put a check mark beside it because i have

[0:24:59] Trustee Fast: with our new website um you might recall that we had um uh come up with a good list of um

[0:25:08] Trustee Fast: uh public participation guidelines and we've discussed it at the ltc a number of times

[0:25:12] Trustee Fast: uh since then and we use them for a couple of years they've been great and i'm not proposing

[0:25:18] Trustee Fast: any changes really i just wanted to let people know that on the new website the islands trust

[0:25:23] Trustee Fast: has a new website there's now a page under how do i called share your views so um uh becky and i

[0:25:30] Trustee Fast: went becky's name is down here as the responsible staffer so i just wanted to make sure everybody

[0:25:35] Trustee Fast: knew that becky and i had gone through and decided on how how um did we need to revise the draft uh

[0:25:44] Trustee Fast: public participation guidelines, and we're just going to keep going as is. So I don't know,

[0:25:51] Trustee Fast: would the LTC be with me in requesting that this activity number one be taken off the

[0:26:00] Trustee Fast: follow-up action list?

[0:26:03] Trustee Critchley: Yes, I agree.

[0:26:05] Trustee Fast: Okay. Is that right? Okay. Thank you. So then

[0:26:08] Trustee Fast: Then, do we have to make a motion?

[0:26:13] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[0:26:14] Trustee Fast: So if that one, the bottom of page 15, 16 March,

[0:26:18] Trustee Fast: can be taken off and put a check mark beside it.

[0:26:21] Trustee Fast: Becky and I have talked about it.

[0:26:22] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:26:22] Trustee Fast: Okay, that's it for me for fuel, the follow-up action list.

[0:26:27] Trustee Fast: So are we ready to move on then to 8.2?

[0:26:31] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[0:26:32] Trustee Fast: Anything else?

[0:26:33] Trustee Fast: Okay, great.

[0:26:34] Trustee Fast: This is just a letter from the Assistant Deputy Minister

[0:26:38] Trustee Fast: about the connected coast uh back to the local trust committee uh for your information trying

[0:26:45] Trustee Fast: to make sure that we get all letters in front of everybody any questions for about this no i'm on

[0:26:54] Trustee Fast: page i

[0:26:55] Trustee Critchley: just wanted to make an observation

[0:26:56] Trustee Fast: yeah i

[0:26:58] Trustee Critchley: was just uh horrified to see it was a simple

[0:27:02] Trustee Critchley: response essentially saying that you know we'll think about it uh good luck and then but it goes

[0:27:09] Trustee Critchley: on for paragraph after paragraph and it's copied to about I don't know a dozen different organizations

[0:27:14] Trustee Critchley: who are all going to get this in their box and have to look at it I don't know it just seemed

[0:27:19] Trustee Critchley: quite weird but anyway

[0:27:21] Trustee Fast: there

[0:27:22] Trustee Critchley: it is I

[0:27:23] Trustee Fast: think they've all everybody's written letters and

[0:27:26] Trustee Fast: and been in touch with them so they wanted to make sure everybody got it I guess

[0:27:29] Trustee Fast: I don't know it

[0:27:31] Trustee Busheikin: struck me as a formal exercise yeah they could have just sent a little thumbs

[0:27:37] Trustee Busheikin: up if it was a less formal situation we are all governments so that's right I

[0:27:42] Trustee Busheikin: kind of took it like that is like right yep yep heard you I think the assistant

[0:27:47] Trustee Busheikin: deputy minister doesn't do thumbs out

[0:27:50] Voice 5: exactly it's not appropriate

[0:27:51] Trustee Busheikin: for that

[0:27:53] Trustee Busheikin: context but that was the sort of the meaning of it okay

[0:27:56] Trustee Fast: let's move on to

[0:27:57] Trustee Fast: applications then so over the page we're going to go into the meat of the meeting

[0:28:02] Trustee Fast: here at 9.1 page 21 and um here is where we've got a staff report with the decision with a

[0:28:11] Trustee Fast: recommendation for us um and uh i believe that this is ian uh ian cox planner cox is with us

[0:28:20] Trustee Fast: today so uh take it away planner cox so

[0:28:22] Voice 2: thank you chair it's really nice that the meeting is going

[0:28:25] Voice 2: faster than expected but my applicant uh was expecting this portion to start at about 10 50

[0:28:32] Voice 2: so I don't see them in attendance yet.

[0:28:34] Voice 2: And I'm wondering if we can push this a bit.

[0:28:39] Trustee Fast: I've made

[0:28:40] Voice 2: an attempt to contact them,

[0:28:41] Voice 2: but they're not responding yet.

[0:28:42] Trustee Fast: Well, let me know when they come.

[0:28:45] Trustee Fast: How about that?

[0:28:45] Voice 2: And

[0:28:46] Trustee Fast: because some of the things may take a long, long time.

[0:28:49] Voice 5: So

[0:28:50] Trustee Fast: right now we're going to skip that

[0:28:55] Trustee Fast: and you'll let me know.

[0:28:57] Trustee Fast: And I'm going to go down to 9.2.

[0:28:59] Trustee Fast: And this is a development variance permit.

[0:29:02] Trustee Fast: it's a part of the beginnings of an affordable housing project and this is uh planner zupanets

[0:29:10] Trustee Fast: please take it away i think we're on oh sorry page 50 41 just a moment

[0:29:16] Planner Zupanec: while i pull up the

[0:29:17] Planner Zupanec: screen i wasn't ready either so

[0:29:19] Trustee Fast: no i know people working on different things i have to scroll as

[0:29:23] Trustee Fast: well. So it begins on page 41 and this is the DEDVP 2021.2 pan design and I see,

[0:29:36] Trustee Fast: I believe the applicant is with us from what it looks like.

[0:29:40] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[0:30:00] Trustee Fast: we're all adjusting our screens so that we can see the images and be ready with our questions

[0:30:06] Trustee Fast: for the planner.

[0:30:12] Voice 15: Great, thanks for your

[0:30:14] Voice 15: patience. I'll just pull this up for you. Okay, so this

[0:30:25] Planner Zupanec: application before you is to vary the minimum lot size for this currently split zoned parcel on what

[0:30:34] Planner Zupanec: what we and BC Assessment refer to as 1151 Kirk Road.

[0:30:39] Planner Zupanec: And the applicant has advised me

[0:30:41] Planner Zupanec: that it actually has a different civic address

[0:30:44] Planner Zupanec: for I think it's Northwest Road on the other side.

[0:30:49] Planner Zupanec: However, I'll be referring to it

[0:30:50] Planner Zupanec: the way it shows up in our system.

[0:30:53] Planner Zupanec: So 1151 Kirk Road.

[0:30:55] Planner Zupanec: And the applicant's proposing to subdivide this parcel

[0:30:59] Planner Zupanec: along the zone boundary in order that we have a residential

[0:31:03] Planner Zupanec: and a commercial zone boundary in order to enable a multi-step application of which is also on this

[0:31:12] Planner Zupanec: agenda to enable subdivision to enable development for affordable housing so this is as i mentioned

[0:31:19] Planner Zupanec: the first step in a multi-phase project proposal and i'll just go over some of the elements of the

[0:31:25] Planner Zupanec: dvp and show the proposed plan of subdivision that's in your agenda package here so this shows

[0:31:33] Planner Zupanec: the the two portions of the property the one hectare commercial piece which meets the minimum

[0:31:38] Planner Zupanec: loss lot size and the 0.28 hectare portion which does not meet the minimum lot size under your

[0:31:46] Planner Zupanec: land use bylaw requirements as there's no increase in density because currently each split zoned

[0:31:53] Planner Zupanec: portion of the lot permits the the density of that zone as if it were subdivided the applicants

[0:32:01] Planner Zupanec: against varying that minimum lot size to enable subdivision

[0:32:05] Planner Zupanec: and transfer of the commercial zone property

[0:32:07] Planner Zupanec: to the Denman Housing Association

[0:32:10] Planner Zupanec: and retain the residential portion as a market lot

[0:32:14] Planner Zupanec: for their own purposes.

[0:32:16] Planner Zupanec: So we've prepared a draft permit for your consideration

[0:32:19] Planner Zupanec: to enable this DVP.

[0:32:22] Planner Zupanec: We've done the notification to adjacent property owners

[0:32:24] Planner Zupanec: as well as Comox First Nation received

[0:32:26] Planner Zupanec: a comprehensive package of early notice

[0:32:29] Planner Zupanec: for the entire application not just the dvp but the rezoning as well i have no correspondence or

[0:32:35] Planner Zupanec: further updates to provide you related to this development variance permit at this time

[0:32:44] Planner Zupanec: and staff are recommending approval and we'll get into more details about the intent of the

[0:32:50] Planner Zupanec: development for the commercial zone property and rezoning later on in your agenda package under the

[0:32:56] Planner Zupanec: rezoning application that's on

[0:32:58] Voice 15: your agenda so

[0:32:58] Planner Zupanec: there's a few alternatives listed there for you

[0:33:00] Planner Zupanec: you have a copy of the draft permit and the notice that was sent out and a comprehensive site context

[0:33:06] Planner Zupanec: for this parcel so if you have any questions i'm here now the applicant and the property owner are

[0:33:11] Planner Zupanec: also online if you have any questions for them okay

[0:33:17] Trustee Fast: so trustees trustee bushaken yeah well and

[0:33:21] Trustee Busheikin: And thank you, Planner Zupanets, for this very clear report.

[0:33:26] Trustee Busheikin: And I find the whole situation quite clear, which is nice because so many things that we deal with and we'll deal with are very complicated.

[0:33:35] Trustee Busheikin: And I support the recommendation.

[0:33:37] Trustee Busheikin: recommendation uh my question is um and i know we'll get to this elsewhere is the uh

[0:33:44] Trustee Busheikin: idea of some kind of i believe the tool would be a restrict covenant on the commercial zone portion

[0:33:51] Trustee Busheikin: so that it uh can't be sold until the rezoning process is complete uh and if uh that should be

[0:34:02] Trustee Busheikin: something that happens in currently with the issuing of the dvp or when in the timeline that

[0:34:11] Trustee Busheikin: would happen because that certainly would be and i don't i'm not uh saying this to be suspicious but

[0:34:17] Trustee Busheikin: i'm just it's important to uh be thorough uh and i think that having that covenant would uh provide a

[0:34:24] Trustee Busheikin: like a formal measure of you know security about the whole application process

[0:34:32] Trustee Busheikin: so my question is the timing the recommended timing for that

[0:34:37] so

[0:34:38] Planner Zupanec: through the chair that's also a recommendation in your staff report for the rezoning application

[0:34:44] Planner Zupanec: that the applicant demonstrate that that letter of intent that they have currently with the owner

[0:34:53] Planner Zupanec: dha has to acquire that property at the time of subsequent subdivision and successful rezoning

[0:35:00] Planner Zupanec: of the receiver parcels that it be transferred to the denman housing association and the applicant

[0:35:06] Planner Zupanec: has agreed to ensuring that that letter of intent is registered on title so that in perpetuity for

[0:35:15] Planner Zupanec: now until the property is transferred the instructions are really clear as to what the

[0:35:19] Planner Zupanec: intent is so that timing of that would be done at the time of subdivision which could happen

[0:35:26] Planner Zupanec: once all the other conditions are met trust related this dvp is one of many conditions

[0:35:33] Planner Zupanec: they could theoretically do that prior to subdivision it would apply to the whole parcel

[0:35:39] Planner Zupanec: at this point and then at the time of subdivision it sits on the commercial property portion

[0:35:46] Planner Zupanec: and is no longer tied to the residential zoned 0.28 hectare parcel.

[0:35:55] Planner Zupanec: So I'll leave it to the applicant and the property owner

[0:36:00] Planner Zupanec: to determine if that's a mechanism that they wish to undertake

[0:36:02] Planner Zupanec: before the subdivision's approved.

[0:36:04] Planner Zupanec: But ultimately, when the plan is filed for registration

[0:36:08] Planner Zupanec: with the Land Titles Office,

[0:36:10] Planner Zupanec: that covenant is also attached to the property

[0:36:13] Planner Zupanec: that should satisfy the local trust committee.

[0:36:16] Planner Zupanec: that the rezoning application process can continue

[0:36:20] Planner Zupanec: and with confidence that there is no ability

[0:36:24] Planner Zupanec: for the owner to transfer that property to somebody else

[0:36:28] Planner Zupanec: or to sell it before the bylaws are fully considered.

[0:36:33] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:36:34] Trustee Busheikin: That makes sense doing it at time of subdivision

[0:36:36] Trustee Busheikin: because then there's clarity about which property is which.

[0:36:40] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you.

[0:36:41] Trustee Fast: Trustee Critchley.

[0:36:42] Trustee Fast: Thanks.

[0:36:43] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[0:36:44] Trustee Critchley: Yeah, I had the same question.

[0:36:46] Trustee Critchley: question um although i was i think i'm also content that even if it wasn't connected with the

[0:36:54] Trustee Critchley: development of the commercial property for affordable housing that it was still a reasonable

[0:36:58] Trustee Critchley: thing to split off this split zoned property in any event um but i had another question too i

[0:37:06] Trustee Critchley: noticed that it mentions that the neighbors were given notification but doesn't mention about

[0:37:13] Trustee Critchley: about publication and I think other DVP applications,

[0:37:18] Trustee Critchley: we've had publication in the paper,

[0:37:20] Trustee Critchley: is that required or was it done here?

[0:37:26] Voice 4: Planner Zubinitz?

[0:37:27] Voice 4: No,

[0:37:31] Planner Zupanec: I would have to check on that

[0:37:32] Planner Zupanec: to see if there was a notice put in the local paper,

[0:37:36] Planner Zupanec: but I don't suspect that that's an obligation

[0:37:39] Planner Zupanec: of the Local Government Act,

[0:37:41] Planner Zupanec: that we simply mail out the notifications

[0:37:43] Planner Zupanec: to the adjacent property owners,

[0:37:46] Planner Zupanec: but i can double check and get back to you on that i'm

[0:37:49] Trustee Fast: pretty sure i checked on that recently

[0:37:51] Trustee Fast: but i'm pretty sure and there's a minimum area within 100 meters or something is the minimum

[0:37:57] Trustee Fast: but you can make it more but i'm pretty sure it doesn't have to go into a paper but by all means

[0:38:02] Trustee Fast: follow up yeah with the uh to get an answer any anything else no

[0:38:12] Trustee Busheikin: no i would be willing to put a

[0:38:14] Trustee Busheikin: motion on the table please go ahead okay i move that the demin island local trust committee approve

[0:38:20] Trustee Busheikin: issuance of development variance permit bedvp 2021.2 pan design inc thank

[0:38:29] Trustee Fast: you and you have

[0:38:29] Trustee Fast: second thank you uh trustee critchley and um that's pretty clear uh any further discussion

[0:38:37] Trustee Fast: do we want to let the applicant speak before we make a decision i'm just remind remembering uh

[0:38:45] Trustee Fast: uh that they according to our um yeah according to our guidelines they've got five minutes to speak

[0:38:54] Trustee Fast: um does the applicant wish to speak i'm not seeing any oh there we go there's a little hand going up

[0:39:02] Trustee Fast: so if henning nielsen can be joining us uh and to unmute yourself there we go thank you please go

[0:39:11] Trustee Fast: ahead good

[0:39:12] Voice 1: morning um i'm um i have very little to to add to it this is part of the step one of

[0:39:20] Voice 1: the first uh um probably a number of steps in um in the process um i'm i'm very pleased that

[0:39:30] Voice 1: the trust has decided or has moved this entire application forward and brought this

[0:39:40] Voice 1: development variance application up it it does assist us as the providers of

[0:39:47] Voice 1: part of the the exchange to be patient with the process and leave the commercial portion

[0:39:58] Voice 1: in the good hands of the housing association and the trust and give it the time and the

[0:40:06] Voice 1: the thoroughness that is needed to do.

[0:40:08] Voice 1: We invested a serious amount of money in the property

[0:40:11] Voice 1: and having the residential portion available

[0:40:14] Voice 1: to our normal business of building and designing

[0:40:18] Voice 1: and developing and so on is definitely a help

[0:40:22] Voice 1: to make this go.

[0:40:24] Voice 1: So I'm pleased to see the approach

[0:40:26] Voice 1: that has been taken here.

[0:40:31] Voice 1: I have given instruction to my lawyer

[0:40:35] Voice 1: to be ready with an undertaking to register the agreement between DHA and Pan Design on title on

[0:40:44] Voice 1: the commercial and basically in concurrent or immediately after title has been raised to that

[0:40:51] Voice 1: property and that would give assurance I hope to both the trust and to housing association that

[0:41:00] Voice 1: that this process can continue without that concern.

[0:41:07] Voice 1: So the other thing we have been asked to check

[0:41:13] Voice 1: with the archeological branch

[0:41:15] Voice 1: about any implications on the site.

[0:41:18] Voice 1: We have done that and provided the information

[0:41:20] Voice 1: to the planner.

[0:41:21] Voice 1: There is no implications known on the site,

[0:41:27] Voice 1: which may be quite logical since it's in the most developed area of of denman uh downtown

[0:41:35] Voice 1: and probably would have come to surface and come to light if there had been anything

[0:41:40] Voice 1: much earlier um so that is basically my my information um water and septic issues are

[0:41:55] Voice 1: being dealt with by the rezoning application on the commercial property.

[0:42:02] Voice 1: With respect to the residential property, it will be hooked up to the Cornell water system.

[0:42:11] Voice 1: There is a number 19 connection approval with Flenward and with Cornell and we're paid up on our

[0:42:23] Voice 1: levy to the water system and hopefully everything there will work out septic testing has been done

[0:42:33] Voice 1: and the planner has all the information on hand for those conditions as well so

[0:42:44] Voice 1: thank you thank

[0:42:45] Trustee Fast: you very much and if you could stay on the line in case there's questions

[0:42:49] Trustee Fast: Just

[0:42:50] Planner Zupanec: to follow up on Trustee Critchley's question, a notice in the local papers are not provided or

[0:42:58] Planner Zupanec: required for the Development Variance Permits applications.

[0:43:02] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you. Trustees, do you have questions for the applicant?

[0:43:08] Voice 12: No.

[0:43:08] Voice 12: No?

[0:43:09] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you very much, Henning. And then, trustees, any further discussion?

[0:43:17] Trustee Fast: Okay, then I'm going to call the question.

[0:43:19] Trustee Fast: I can see there's a little bit of a lag.

[0:43:21] Trustee Fast: I'll call the question.

[0:43:22] Trustee Fast: All in favor?

[0:43:25] Voice 10: Aye.

[0:43:27] Trustee Fast: That's three hands went up for the minute taker behind the scenes.

[0:43:30] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:43:31] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[0:43:32] Trustee Fast: And now I see Mr. Gamble has joined us in attendees.

[0:43:37] Trustee Fast: So let's go back to 9.1, the previous item, which we were waiting for the applicant to join us.

[0:43:43] Trustee Fast: We were zipping along.

[0:43:44] Trustee Fast: page 21 of our agenda and um if it's convenient with you uh planner cox could you uh lead off

[0:43:58] Trustee Fast: yeah

[0:43:59] Voice 2: absolutely thank you chair uh can everyone see the screen chair okay so um

[0:44:06] Voice 2: this is another variance request um this time for um an approximately 8 by 24 that should read

[0:44:16] Voice 2: not 8 by 20. I believe the applicant could correct but the plan shows 24 so that should

[0:44:22] Voice 2: read that there. That's in a kitchen addition to an existing house on the property in a foreshore

[0:44:27] Voice 2: area as you can see by the subject property photo. The house the current house that's there

[0:44:36] Voice 2: has been cited lawfully under previous DVP from 2003 and so this request is for an addition on the

[0:44:46] Voice 2: up land portion not the farthest away from the foreshore and I will scroll to the draft permit

[0:44:54] Voice 2: to demonstrate that so here's the kitchen addition onto the existing house down in kitchen

[0:45:01] Voice 2: with the addition showing here this is the foreshore area and the addition is on the

[0:45:09] Voice 2: back side of the house so there's no or little to no ground disturbance proposed it's going to be

[0:45:16] Voice 2: on pier blocks not excavated with foundation, which is a consideration for foreshore

[0:45:24] Voice 2: cultural heritage and so forth. The applicant's been in contact with the ARC branch

[0:45:29] Voice 2: about this and is aware of their responsibility under the Heritage Conservation Act.

[0:45:34] Voice 2: act. This application was referred to Comox First Nation per our new mode of working, and that was

[0:45:49] Voice 2: quite some time ago. We haven't heard anything, staff hasn't heard anything back from Comox at

[0:45:54] Voice 2: this point. So I think I'd leave it there for now, and if take any questions that the LTC might have,

[0:46:01] Voice 2: And the applicant is, of course, with us and can also answer any questions.

[0:46:10] Trustee Fast: I see. There are several questions. I'll start with David Critchley this time. Go ahead, David.

[0:46:15] Trustee Fast: it thank

[0:46:16] Trustee Critchley: you uh yes i have a i have a couple um i'm noticing in the in the draft of the

[0:46:25] Trustee Critchley: development variance permit down in paragraph two it talks about to permit a 2.4 meter by 2.8 meter

[0:46:36] Trustee Critchley: kitchen den addition and i think that is at odds with what is drawn in the sketch which

[0:46:43] Trustee Critchley: which was shown in feet but none of which would be 20 or 24 feet in width so there appears to

[0:46:53] Trustee Critchley: be an error there am I correct?

[0:46:56] Voice 2: Yeah there appears to be an error in the conversion

[0:46:59] Voice 2: yes so that would be correct so the the the variance request is 13.09 meters rather than

[0:47:06] Voice 2: and they required 15 meter natural boundary setback.

[0:47:11] Voice 2: And the size is eight feet by 24 feet.

[0:47:16] Voice 2: And that conversion should be altered there

[0:47:19] Voice 2: in the draft permit.

[0:47:20] Voice 2: Yes, you're correct.

[0:47:22] Trustee Critchley: Yes.

[0:47:24] Trustee Critchley: So maybe we could get those numbers

[0:47:26] Trustee Critchley: before we actually make a resolution then.

[0:47:29] Trustee Critchley: But the other question I had was with respect

[0:47:31] Trustee Critchley: to the last part of that first sentence there

[0:47:36] Trustee Critchley: where it says uh um within 13.09 meters of the natural boundary that doesn't quite read

[0:47:46] Trustee Critchley: right to me i i don't i don't understand what that is getting at because the

[0:47:51] Trustee Critchley: the uh looking at the the schedule um it looks like the distance the furthest distance

[0:48:03] Trustee Critchley: of the thing is uh well anyway just just the reading of that uh that the addition will be

[0:48:16] Trustee Critchley: within 13.09 meters i'm not quite sure whether that's correct or whether we should just be saying

[0:48:22] Trustee Critchley: within uh well yeah no maybe

[0:48:30] Trustee Critchley: that's correct all right

[0:48:31] Voice 2: so the 13 meters from the natural

[0:48:32] Voice 2: to this to and I hope that you can see this it's a bit blurry here on the screen to yeah this line

[0:48:41] Voice 2: here where the addition actually starts because that is that is the further encroachment if you

[0:48:47] Voice 2: will the house has been sited under the other DVP this is the actual like up to the the closest line

[0:48:54] Voice 2: of this addition or the closest face on this wall and then of course it extends back so

[0:49:02] Trustee Fast: this is sort

[0:49:03] Trustee Fast: of a backwards look at the setback right because setbacks on the other side well

[0:49:11] Voice 2: the setback is at

[0:49:11] Voice 2: 50 meters and so anything in um the you know the house yeah yes i think

[0:49:21] Trustee Fast: i've got it sorry

[0:49:22] Trustee Fast: i'm sorry to interrupt i think we're looking at page 27 by the way everybody um trustee

[0:49:27] Trustee Fast: christie christie does that answer your question uh

[0:49:32] Voice 10: well it it

[0:49:36] Trustee Critchley: seems at odds with the the drawing

[0:49:39] Trustee Critchley: if if um you could look at the the sketch which is shows the existing septic tank and shows this

[0:49:50] Trustee Critchley: uh 20 feet by eight feet extension is it that's

[0:49:57] Trustee Fast: page 27 yeah

[0:49:59] Trustee Critchley: um just a sec is

[0:50:03] Trustee Fast: that the one there

[0:50:04] Trustee Fast: David

[0:50:04] Trustee Critchley: I'm looking at the one that immediately follows the permit oh it's schedule a um oh

[0:50:12] Trustee Critchley: okay that

[0:50:15] Voice 2: should be page 27 all

[0:50:19] Trustee Critchley: right so looking at the

[0:50:20] Voice 10: um the drawing there it looks like the

[0:50:29] it

[0:50:33] Voice 10: looks like the back

[0:50:36] Trustee Critchley: of this line is shown as being 8.8 meters from the foreshore 8.85 meters

[0:50:48] Trustee Critchley: so

[0:50:50] Voice 2: the 13.09 the the the the the how we get to 13.09 is this 5.49 meters here from the edge of

[0:50:58] Voice 2: the wall that's existing

[0:51:02] Voice 1: plus the

[0:51:03] Voice 2: 7.6 7.6 meters that is the existing house so that dimension line

[0:51:10] Voice 2: could be over here more but it's 5.49 plus 7.6 meters equals 13.09 from what is the current

[0:51:22] Voice 2: boundary because of this this wall that exists

[0:51:25] Voice 2: and so the addition is

[0:51:29] Voice 10: also shown as

[0:51:30] Trustee Critchley: go ahead

[0:51:33] Trustee Critchley: trustee critchley there's an additional yeah 2.13 meters is shown as the distance from the

[0:51:41] Trustee Critchley: breakwater at its uh sloping point there uh to the foreshore so that would be added to the

[0:51:49] Trustee Critchley: amount of the setback right so

[0:51:54] Voice 2: the ltc could um request um on a more detailed um well in a

[0:52:02] Voice 2: a present natural boundary survey of the applicant with these existing breakwater

[0:52:11] Voice 2: walls it's often quite difficult to determine where the natural where the present natural

[0:52:16] Voice 2: boundary is given that it's been in the impacted in the past and altered so if if the case were

[0:52:24] Voice 2: that if the case were that there was indeed an extra 2.3 meters from say the this breakwater

[0:52:31] Voice 2: or concrete block to the natural to the to the present natural boundary then this dvp would not

[0:52:37] Voice 2: be required but but that's that's in question so there um you know it's it's possible to request

[0:52:44] Voice 2: further information of course i

[0:52:47] Trustee Critchley: don't want to make it more complicated for the applicant but i just

[0:52:50] Trustee Critchley: wanted to make sure that what we're doing or proposing to do is uh going to solve his problem

[0:52:56] Trustee Critchley: and uh that he won't run into issues later that was the only purpose of my clarification was not

[0:53:01] Trustee Critchley: to really contest uh the uh the overall spirit of the application if you like but uh if you're

[0:53:10] Trustee Critchley: satisfied that the wording uh within 13.09 is going to do the job for him then i'm okay with

[0:53:19] Trustee Critchley: that okay

[0:53:21] Trustee Fast: thank you trustee critchley that was actually my question too the the difference how

[0:53:27] Trustee Fast: how did that work between the brick water wall which i can see has probably altered the foreshore

[0:53:33] Trustee Fast: or there has been alterations.

[0:53:35] Trustee Fast: Anyway, but that's fine.

[0:53:36] Trustee Fast: That answers my question too.

[0:53:37] Trustee Fast: Trustee Bushekin, I think you had your hand up at one point.

[0:53:41] Trustee Busheikin: Yes, I did, thank you.

[0:53:43] Trustee Busheikin: I just, things were getting a little choppy,

[0:53:45] Trustee Busheikin: so I turned off my camera.

[0:53:46] Trustee Busheikin: So yeah, and thanks for asking those questions.

[0:53:49] Trustee Busheikin: And I also wondered,

[0:53:53] Trustee Busheikin: my question actually is about the breakwater

[0:53:56] Trustee Busheikin: and there's two things,

[0:53:58] Trustee Busheikin: like there's a breakwater that shows up

[0:54:00] Trustee Busheikin: in a concrete retaining wall.

[0:54:01] Trustee Busheikin: and um i don't actually know and i sorry i didn't have time to look it up if we

[0:54:09] Trustee Busheikin: our current lub uh even allows those but i know that the trust and all coastal areas are

[0:54:17] Trustee Busheikin: moving in a direction uh far away from breakwaters and concrete retaining walls because they're

[0:54:23] Trustee Busheikin: actually not uh effective uh generally in the long term at what they're supposed to be doing

[0:54:30] Trustee Busheikin: they work for the short term to keep sea away but in the end and actually just wrote an article a

[0:54:35] Trustee Busheikin: few months ago in the flagstone they they actually can cause worse erosion but also just a lot of

[0:54:41] Trustee Busheikin: disturbance to the ecosystem of the foreshore um and um you know i just see those there and um

[0:54:51] Trustee Busheikin: i guess it's probably a bigger question of what happens when we get an application for one thing

[0:54:57] Trustee Busheikin: on a property that shows up something else that is perhaps um not in compliance with our bylaws

[0:55:03] Trustee Busheikin: uh which perhaps is more a question to take to bylaw enforcement but i mean looking at this lot

[0:55:10] Trustee Busheikin: and i don't know the story of the whole lot like i can see there's um a midden there you don't want

[0:55:16] Trustee Busheikin: to build on that i mean this development and there's nothing we can't go back in time and i i

[0:55:22] Trustee Busheikin: I will support the variance, but I just, I look at that lot and I look at that building perched right in the front.

[0:55:31] Trustee Busheikin: And if anyone's doubting that climate change is real and intense, they have been sleeping for the last week.

[0:55:39] Trustee Busheikin: And the waters are rising and the storm surges are intensifying.

[0:55:43] Trustee Busheikin: And with extreme weather, the runoff, which increases erosion, is increasing, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:55:52] Trustee Busheikin: So, I guess I just wanted to raise this, and I would like to see us provide some information about the limitations of hard armoring on the foreshore and the potential for green shores, which the Sea Verity is doing a big initiative around promoting this right now.

[0:56:13] Trustee Busheikin: I don't quite yet know what I mean how it all works but it would be worth I think they're

[0:56:21] Trustee Busheikin: actually looking for pilot projects in the CVRD area so I just wanted to raise it and I know the

[0:56:27] Trustee Busheikin: applicant is here and and listening and and I know it's expensive to remove these things and

[0:56:33] Trustee Busheikin: replace them with soft shore approaches but in the long run it might save your house from being

[0:56:39] Trustee Busheikin: washed away down the road. I mean, I have, you know, I don't know how steep the bank is or

[0:56:44] Trustee Busheikin: what the situation is like there, but I walk along the beach and I see lots of this stuff

[0:56:52] Trustee Busheikin: and I see lots of buildings where they should be, boathouses and cabins and homes. And I just think,

[0:57:00] Trustee Busheikin: boy, oh boy, what's going to happen in 10 years. So that would be, I don't know if we need a motion,

[0:57:09] Trustee Busheikin: but i would like us to include this information links there's tons of information i mean you can

[0:57:15] Trustee Busheikin: just google it but i think the trust has its own information about um replacing hardshore

[0:57:22] Trustee Busheikin: armoring approaches with soft shore approaches thank you

[0:57:26] Trustee Busheikin: yeah do we need a motion to include

[0:57:28] Trustee Busheikin: that information when we issue the uh permit uh

[0:57:35] Trustee Fast: planner cox um

[0:57:38] Voice 2: it's possible to do that it's

[0:57:40] Voice 2: It's pretty clear. And that is in the minutes from the trustee and staff would absolutely do that.

[0:57:46] Voice 2: That's definitely it's an ongoing concern, of course.

[0:57:50] Voice 2: And in this situation, there are a number of other a couple of other factors, one of one of which is this DVP from 2003, which actually permits 4.57 meters from the natural boundary.

[0:58:03] Voice 2: So this is a sort of cumulative, you know, what's going on, what's going on here on this property.

[0:58:09] Voice 2: and um yeah a staff will absolutely provide that information to the applicant upon uh you know

[0:58:15] Voice 2: whatever the decision is on this permit plus there is a companion sighting and use permit of course

[0:58:21] Voice 2: that's required for the addition so okay opportunity thank

[0:58:26] Trustee Fast: you then and um we do i know

[0:58:28] Trustee Fast: the islands trust has a page now about hardened shorelines with the diagrams and um so that link

[0:58:36] Trustee Fast: could be sent. I think if there's no more questions for the planner, now it's time to

[0:58:42] Trustee Fast: hear from the applicant if the applicant would like to add anything. But I've heard both all

[0:58:48] Trustee Fast: the questions have been answered and there's would would the applicant wish to speak? You've got

[0:58:54] Trustee Fast: five minutes if you'd like to join us. Go ahead, Eugene Gamble.

[0:58:59] Voice 11: Thanks, everyone. Yes. Hi, everyone.

[0:59:02] Voice 11: Thank you everyone, thank you.

[0:59:03] Voice 11: I don't know that I would have anything to add.

[0:59:08] Voice 11: You know, I'm not familiar with a lot of the terminology

[0:59:11] Voice 11: and procedures that you guys use internally,

[0:59:15] Voice 11: but I mean, I think everything's been addressed

[0:59:17] Voice 11: that I would have liked to discuss

[0:59:20] Voice 11: and I think Ian did a good job of kind of

[0:59:23] Voice 11: overview of what the site is and what's going on.

[0:59:28] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much then.

[0:59:30] Trustee Fast: And does anybody have any questions for the applicants

[0:59:32] Trustee Fast: of Trustee Critchley, Trustee Boucherkin?

[0:59:35] Voice 15: No.

[0:59:36] Trustee Fast: No? Okay.

[0:59:37] Trustee Fast: I think we're all all right then.

[0:59:39] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, Mr. Gamble.

[0:59:41] Trustee Fast: And well, then I will ask if there's a motion.

[0:59:48] Voice 10: Go

[0:59:49] Trustee Fast: ahead, Trustee Critchley.

[0:59:52] Trustee Critchley: I move that the Damanau Local Trust Committee

[0:59:54] Trustee Critchley: approve issuance of DEDVP 2.

[1:00:00] Trustee Critchley: to one dot one bracket gamble as amended. I don't as amended will be.

[1:00:15] Trustee Fast: Oh, I think we've lost you. But there's something about the measurements.

[1:00:21] Trustee Fast: That's, thank you. That's the motion then, Trustee Planner Cox, do we need to be definitive about

[1:00:28] Trustee Fast: that amendment?

[1:00:30] Voice 2: I think that the wording, it's the dimensions of the addition that are erroneous

[1:00:42] Voice 2: and the, but the 13.09 is the variance. So I think it's clear enough for staff unless

[1:00:49] Voice 2: either senior planners, supernets or planner manager, manager Cowher wants to weigh in on

[1:00:56] Voice 2: that but i think i'm certainly comfortable um with as amended and okay

[1:01:02] Trustee Fast: are you comfortable

[1:01:03] Trustee Fast: with that trustee critchley could

[1:01:04] Trustee Critchley: i uh i should probably specify what the amendment then it's in

[1:01:09] Trustee Critchley: respect of it do i understand that the actual kitchen um addition would be in imperial it's

[1:01:17] Trustee Critchley: eight feet by 20 feet is that that it eight

[1:01:21] Voice 2: by 24 eight by 24

[1:01:25] Voice 2: okay perhaps the applicant could

[1:01:28] Voice 2: clarify that as well mr

[1:01:33] Trustee Fast: gamble if you're still there oh very good it could you clarify for us

[1:01:41] Trustee Fast: um the dimensions of the addition we're looking at the sketch uh that shows uh eight feet yeah

[1:01:50] Voice 11: yeah yes it's eight by 24 should be the correct measurement so then i

[1:01:59] Voice 2: think the right way to do

[1:02:00] Voice 2: this would be to amend it by saying 8 by 24 and staff will do the imperial to metric conversion

[1:02:05] Voice 2: afterwards okay

[1:02:07] Trustee Critchley: right okay so my motion then my motion then uh is uh as amended by showing

[1:02:18] Trustee Critchley: the dimensions of the addition of eight feet by 24 feet metric equivalent thank

[1:02:33] Trustee Fast: you that sounds

[1:02:35] Trustee Fast: clear um second that thank you very good so we've got a motion moved and seconded um thank you

[1:02:44] Trustee Fast: everybody and uh any more discussion yeah

[1:02:50] Trustee Critchley: i would just like to um discuss or just mention on the

[1:02:54] Trustee Critchley: the record because people may be looking at this or reviewing later and just to emphasize the

[1:02:59] Trustee Critchley: rather exceptional circumstances here of this following on from the decision of a of a of the

[1:03:09] Trustee Critchley: trust in 2003 which allowed the rebuilding of a destroyed house and allowed it to be built in the

[1:03:19] Trustee Critchley: the place where it had originally been built which was actually non-compliant with our bylaws back

[1:03:24] Trustee Critchley: then so this follows on from that and it is the addition would be on the the backside away from

[1:03:34] Trustee Critchley: the foreshore so we're not further encroaching into the foreshore by this it's also outside the

[1:03:42] Trustee Critchley: area where the midden is shown to be and there had been archaeological investigation of that in the

[1:03:48] Trustee Critchley: the past, as I understand it. So I'm quite comfortable, but I just did want to emphasize

[1:03:54] Trustee Critchley: the rather unique circumstances of this particular applicant. So I don't want to encourage a flurry

[1:04:00] Trustee Critchley: of other ones to be building closer to the foreshore. Thank you.

[1:04:05] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any more discussion? All right. Then I'll call the

[1:04:13] Trustee Fast: question all those in favor aye

[1:04:17] Voice 10: aye

[1:04:18] Trustee Fast: aye thank you that's three hands up uh the motion carries

[1:04:23] Trustee Fast: and the dvp is permitted thank you very much everybody and um uh thanks mr gamble for joining

[1:04:31] Trustee Fast: us yeah great okay so now we're going to go on to 9.3 on our agenda um this is around the denman

[1:04:40] Trustee Fast: and community land trust association and i just want to remind people that it's post public hearing

[1:04:44] Trustee Fast: um so if trustees we could direct our questions to the planner if we have any uh then um she can

[1:04:52] Trustee Fast: make sure that we don't uh have any conflicts with rules and things like that about a post

[1:05:00] Trustee Fast: hearing period post public hearing period okay so thank you and uh take it away planners open

[1:05:05] Trustee Fast: Thank

[1:05:05] Planner Zupanec: you. The applicant Doug Olstead is available. I just would rather that we ask any questions through the planner to start and ensure that no inadvertent new information is presented to the local trust committee.

[1:05:23] Planner Zupanec: So I think the easiest way to do this is to work through the local trust committee resolutions, the direction to staff to identify the subsequent changes to the housing agreement and the restrictive covenant that are attached to the Pepper Lane affordable housing project.

[1:05:43] Planner Zupanec: So those bylaws are still waiting to be finalized in terms of approval processes, but we're tidying up some of these pieces for you prior to that, and we are post-public hearings.

[1:05:59] Planner Zupanec: So the first set of instructions from the local trust committee was to ask that the applicant address concerns from the adjacent property owners regarding fencing and screening so that there could be alternative language in the restrictive covenant for the fencing and screening requirements.

[1:06:22] Planner Zupanec: requirements so the applicant has attempted to sort out what could be presented in the restrictive

[1:06:31] Planner Zupanec: covenant to address these concerns that's what you currently have before you in terms of suggested

[1:06:36] Planner Zupanec: language in the recommendations and they note that there is still one potential issue with an

[1:06:46] Planner Zupanec: an adjacent property owner related to the type of screening

[1:06:50] Planner Zupanec: in terms of a solid wood fence being unsatisfactory

[1:06:54] Planner Zupanec: to the owner.

[1:06:56] Planner Zupanec: So the draft language that's presented in the staff report

[1:07:01] Planner Zupanec: is what is being suggested for the LTC to consider today

[1:07:05] Planner Zupanec: related to the dispensing and screening that would apply

[1:07:07] Planner Zupanec: for all the adjacent property owners and a berm,

[1:07:11] Planner Zupanec: the construction of a berm.

[1:07:14] Planner Zupanec: are there any questions related to that particular item before i move on to the

[1:07:18] Planner Zupanec: the other clauses of amendments trustees

[1:07:25] Trustee Fast: uh david critchley i

[1:07:28] Trustee Critchley: have a question yeah just um

[1:07:30] Trustee Critchley: if i might um if um planner zupanis could indicate to us any items that the

[1:07:41] Trustee Critchley: applicant is taking issue with or whether they're agreeable to each of these various things

[1:07:48] Trustee Critchley: and if they are not agreeable to it if you could let us know what the source of their objection is

[1:07:54] Trustee Critchley: that would be very helpful the

[1:07:57] Planner Zupanec: applicant these

[1:08:01] Trustee Fast: are the suggested changes yeah

[1:08:03] Planner Zupanec: so these are

[1:08:05] Planner Zupanec: suggested to clarify these are suggested changes from the applicant that are consistent with the

[1:08:09] Planner Zupanec: the local trust committee requests

[1:08:11] Planner Zupanec: as identified in this report.

[1:08:16] Planner Zupanec: So these are straight up from the DCLTA

[1:08:19] Planner Zupanec: and our staff analysis is that they're consistent

[1:08:23] Planner Zupanec: with your requests for further information

[1:08:27] Planner Zupanec: or for changes that are consistent with your direction.

[1:08:32] Voice 5: So

[1:08:32] Planner Zupanec: there's been no staff tweaking of the language.

[1:08:36] Planner Zupanec: It's just presented for you as received.

[1:08:43] Planner Zupanec: You're happy

[1:08:43] Trustee Fast: with that, David Critchley?

[1:08:46] Trustee Critchley: Yes, thank you.

[1:08:47] Trustee Fast: Okay, good. Thank you. We just have a little delay. So sometimes I'm not sure if we've caught your words. That's all. Just checking. And thank you. Then please carry on, Planner Zupanets.

[1:08:59] Planner Zupanec: the second request related to the water champion covenant for groundwater monitoring the ltc

[1:09:05] Planner Zupanec: requested that the staff look into reducing or eliminating the burden of expense on the applicant

[1:09:13] Planner Zupanec: pertaining to groundwater monitoring so the applicant has suggested the removal of specific

[1:09:18] Planner Zupanec: requirements for the hydrograph being submitted to the islands trust as well as any well monitoring

[1:09:23] Planner Zupanec: analysis from the annual report. This is consistent with your resolution and the

[1:09:28] Planner Zupanec: recommended wording changes are included in the recommendation on page one. Any questions about

[1:09:35] Planner Zupanec: that?

[1:09:41] Trustee Busheikin: Sorry, I had a question about the last one. Oh, I didn't have my video on. I'm like,

[1:09:50] Trustee Busheikin: I had my hand up. Oh, thank you. I was going, what? Yeah. So just briefly, planners, you said

[1:09:59] Trustee Busheikin: that these are suggestions from the applicant that, and they certainly do seem to respond

[1:10:09] Trustee Busheikin: to LTC requests. You said there's no staff tweaking. We do rely on staff to tweak things

[1:10:17] Trustee Busheikin: as needed so the fact that there is no um you know these are presented as written by the applicant

[1:10:24] Trustee Busheikin: uh in a staff report am i correct in assuming that that implies that staff uh feels that they're

[1:10:34] Trustee Busheikin: sufficient and that the language is is a pro it does what it's supposed to do and that well that

[1:10:40] Trustee Busheikin: that they don't need any tweaking.

[1:10:43] Voice 4: Planner Zupanitz.

[1:10:45] Planner Zupanec: Sure, so we are recommending these changes

[1:10:50] Planner Zupanec: and they're in the staff recommendations as presented.

[1:10:53] Planner Zupanec: No, I have not wordsmithed or done any changes

[1:10:57] Planner Zupanec: to the suggested wording at this time.

[1:11:02] Planner Zupanec: I did not see any need to insert any amendments.

[1:11:06] Planner Zupanec: These are strictly instructions to the applicant

[1:11:09] Planner Zupanec: to sort out the fencing and screening requirements.

[1:11:12] Planner Zupanec: There's been adequate discussion or post-public hearing, which likely should have happened prior to the public hearing with these elements.

[1:11:21] Planner Zupanec: This is why we like to have these details sorted out before a public hearing is scheduled.

[1:11:26] Planner Zupanec: So it's awkward to do a lot of this work after the fact.

[1:11:31] Planner Zupanec: However, in the interest of advancing the application, which has been a concurrent theme throughout,

[1:11:37] Planner Zupanec: out if the ltc satisfied that the applicant's done the as much work as they can to address

[1:11:44] Planner Zupanec: some of these issues this is the wording that's now being recommended thank

[1:11:51] Voice 12: you yeah that's great

[1:11:55] Trustee Fast: um any more questions trustee critchley or can we let planners openets carry on

[1:11:59] Voice 14: okay

[1:12:00] Trustee Fast: is there more you've got to say planners openets no

[1:12:04] Planner Zupanec: not on the water monitoring that was

[1:12:07] Planner Zupanec: initiated by the ltc and the applicant so that's the recommended wording as presented there the

[1:12:16] Planner Zupanec: third set of changes relates to the request actually this this is just to tidy up a request

[1:12:26] Planner Zupanec: that the local trust committee had requested changes regarding to the rent

[1:12:35] Planner Zupanec: sums and this actually wasn't enacted at your last meeting it it required a second reading

[1:12:41] Planner Zupanec: as amended so this is more of an administrative piece bringing this back to your attention that

[1:12:45] Planner Zupanec: you need to actually reconsider this formally so that we can make the change to the bylaw

[1:12:51] Planner Zupanec: it wasn't done in January under the proper resolution wording so the staff report recommendation

[1:12:58] Planner Zupanec: recommendation on page one includes the proper sequence to enable this particular change. So

[1:13:04] Planner Zupanec: there's nothing new here. It's just administrative to make sure that it's captured. If there's any

[1:13:09] Planner Zupanec: questions on that, you can let me know, but you had concurred with this change already.

[1:13:22] Trustee Fast: Yeah, that's the, I'm just going to jump in here. When you say page one, you mean page 53 in our

[1:13:28] Trustee Fast: package? That's

[1:13:29] Trustee Fast: right. Yeah. The

[1:13:30] Planner Zupanec: first page of this staff report. Right. And

[1:13:33] Planner Zupanec: then lots of page

[1:13:33] Planner Zupanec: one's in your agenda and then

[1:13:36] Trustee Fast: so just for anybody's watching and um um and the part that

[1:13:41] Trustee Fast: you're talking about is is 1b right rental rates correct thank you okay good just making sure i'm

[1:13:49] Trustee Fast: following because i'm not as close to everything as as local trustees uh thank you please carry on

[1:13:54] Trustee Fast: okay

[1:13:54] Planner Zupanec: and then the fourth category of changes was that the local trust committee requested that we

[1:14:00] Planner Zupanec: We bring back draft amendments to the housing agreement to specify that the qualified occupant definition be expanded to include but not be limited to on reserve and off reserve status and non-status or self-identified Indigenous, Inuit or Native people.

[1:14:15] Planner Zupanec: And the applicant has submitted suggested wording for that change, which appears to be consistent with other recent housing agreements in the Gabriola area.

[1:14:30] Planner Zupanec: The LTC also requested staff to work with the applicant to add a phrase regarding the ability to adapt the tenant selection procedure specifically related to the ability for people to stay in the dwelling units regardless of the level of care that might be needed so that the applicant has also addressed that particular request and the changes as per the recommendations on the first page of this report.

[1:15:01] Planner Zupanec: So this is an opportunity for the LTC to determine whether or not these suggested amendments are to your satisfaction and the readings that are required are listed in the recommendations as well to enable these changes so that we can update the bylaw post to the web.

[1:15:19] Planner Zupanec: And as soon as we have approval from the minister, the provincial minister for the OCP bylaw, you could theoretically then consider adoption of the bylaws, unless you seek additional information at this time.

[1:15:36] Planner Zupanec: And again, I'm happy to take any questions that you have or vet them through the applicant, as long as they're very direct and specific to the information that's presented before you.

[1:15:48] Planner Zupanec: Thanks.

[1:15:49] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:15:50] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Trustee Boucherkin.

[1:15:52] Trustee Busheikin: If just for clarity, and maybe you mentioned this, then I'm, you know, I'm checking my notes and my notes on my iPad and notes in my notebook and my brain is multitasking. So I'm sure if I missed it, but so you, in terms of final adoption, what have, if we agree with this, what's, what are we waiting for before final adoption? Like where exactly are these in the process?

[1:16:15] Trustee Busheikin: so

[1:16:15] Planner Zupanec: once you're the official community plan bylaw that's what the minister is approved that's the

[1:16:23] Planner Zupanec: point in which it can then be returned back to the local trust committee and you can consider

[1:16:27] Planner Zupanec: all the bylaws in one package so we're not going to recommend approval of pieces of anything

[1:16:32] Planner Zupanec: until that ocp is is approved and ready for your consideration so everything would come to you

[1:16:39] Planner Zupanec: in one package thank

[1:16:43] Voice 12: you thank

[1:16:45] Planner Zupanec: you go

[1:16:47] Trustee Fast: ahead trustee bouchakin

[1:16:47] Voice 12: okay so thanks so i am i

[1:16:50] Voice 12: support all of this i know with the fencing i uh

[1:16:54] Trustee Busheikin: i know from hearing from neighbors that there

[1:16:58] Trustee Busheikin: was one neighbor who wanted a more substantial fence but i think this is a this is reasonable

[1:17:04] Trustee Busheikin: sustainable and it will make a difference and while not being like overly onerous on the

[1:17:13] Trustee Busheikin: applicant and I also think you know a concrete fence if ever anything changes in the neighborhood

[1:17:19] Trustee Busheikin: a concrete fence is a pretty major thing to to move and to install and so I think the wooden

[1:17:25] Trustee Busheikin: fence will will will help you know and with understanding that it is for neighbors who

[1:17:32] Trustee Busheikin: are close especially during the period of construction it is going to be disruptive and

[1:17:36] Trustee Busheikin: that is that is a difficult thing um uh but um i think that this shows due diligence so i'm um

[1:17:44] Trustee Busheikin: with one exception i'm in support of all of these and really happy to see it move forward and i'm

[1:17:49] Trustee Busheikin: i'm really pleased that the applicant came back with this uh these really uh i think uh very good

[1:17:57] Trustee Busheikin: good responses. The one that I'm concerned about has to do with recommendation 1A. And this is

[1:18:10] Trustee Busheikin: fine. But unfortunately, as I looked into this, this week, when reading the package, I, what I

[1:18:18] Trustee Busheikin: see is that the original motion, which I made to, to create this change, really, unfortunately,

[1:18:25] Trustee Busheikin: Unfortunately, and I apologize for this, it really didn't go far enough because there's two things.

[1:18:30] Trustee Busheikin: There's the definition of qualified applicant, but there's also the, what is it now?

[1:18:38] Trustee Busheikin: I can't remember.

[1:18:39] Trustee Busheikin: It's Appendix B, my mind has gone blank, but the guidelines for choosing applicants, the tenant selection procedure, Schedule B.

[1:18:52] Trustee Busheikin: and the tenant selection procedure effectively nullifies a lot of the effect of this inclusiveness

[1:19:00] Trustee Busheikin: that we're aiming for uh and it is on page it looks like someone's going there um let's see

[1:19:09] Trustee Busheikin: it's on page 67 66 and 67 um and um like the idea and i've been in touch with senior

[1:19:18] Trustee Busheikin: Intergovernmental Policy Advisor Lisa Wilcox who advises us on Indigenous relationship issues and

[1:19:27] Trustee Busheikin: reconciliation and also talked briefly to us some time ago to Director Frater about this who also

[1:19:37] Trustee Busheikin: works on those issues. The idea here is that Indigenous people who are not resident on Denman

[1:19:43] Trustee Busheikin: but who have a connection to Denman through ancestry, through history, through a treaty,

[1:19:49] Trustee Busheikin: or through a treaty process that is underway, or through oral history, or

[1:20:01] Trustee Busheikin: through archaeological sites. There are many ways and a whole lot of sophistication in the ways that

[1:20:09] Trustee Busheikin: that we can understand Indigenous people have a significant connection to a place.

[1:20:17] Trustee Busheikin: The goal here when I made the motion is that they be included, so that when we say who

[1:20:22] Trustee Busheikin: is a Denman Islander, we are not just talking about settlers, but we are including people

[1:20:27] Trustee Busheikin: whose ancestors may have lived here for dozens of generations and who stewarded the land

[1:20:33] Trustee Busheikin: for all that time and who were forced out by colonialism, whether that was in the form of

[1:20:42] Trustee Busheikin: violently being forced out or by simply the sort of ongoing blows that came with colonialism,

[1:20:51] Trustee Busheikin: that they'd be welcomed back as Denman Islanders. And so in the tenant selection procedure,

[1:20:59] Trustee Busheikin: procedure there's a number of provisions like that the person may have been must have been

[1:21:06] Trustee Busheikin: resident on denman for at least two years preceding the application or that they we look at the or

[1:21:13] Trustee Busheikin: that the uh dclta would consider the contribution of the applicant and any family member to denman

[1:21:19] Trustee Busheikin: island who paid or unpaid volunteer work um so these really nullify that and they turn it back

[1:21:25] Trustee Busheikin: back to something that is more supportive

[1:21:32] Trustee Busheikin: of the current settler population on Denman.

[1:21:36] Trustee Busheikin: So I would like to propose to change that

[1:21:42] Trustee Busheikin: and not to require that the housing be aborted

[1:21:48] Trustee Busheikin: specifically to indigenous people,

[1:21:51] Trustee Busheikin: but that they should be considered

[1:21:53] Trustee Busheikin: in the tenant selection procedure

[1:21:55] Trustee Busheikin: procedure, without it being required that they have those particular contemporary connections

[1:22:02] Trustee Busheikin: to Denman, because they have their own connections to Denman.

[1:22:06] Trustee Busheikin: And I have been in touch with Lisa Wilcox, who supports that as being in line with the

[1:22:16] Trustee Busheikin: Islands Trust Reconciliation Action Plan, which is, and in particular with parts of

[1:22:23] Trustee Busheikin: of the missing and murdered Indigenous women

[1:22:25] Trustee Busheikin: report recommendations and UNDRIP and DRIPA

[1:22:29] Trustee Busheikin: and all of these documents which we're working with

[1:22:35] Trustee Busheikin: to change how we do things.

[1:22:37] Trustee Busheikin: So, and I'm not sure I have the language for that.

[1:22:44] Trustee Busheikin: And I also understand that for the applicant

[1:22:46] Trustee Busheikin: that may be a bit of a concept

[1:22:50] Trustee Busheikin: and a bit of a change to wrap their head around.

[1:22:53] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm not entirely sure where to go with this

[1:22:55] Trustee Busheikin: but i know i want to go somewhere with it and i i'm so i guess i'm open for comments from um other

[1:23:01] Trustee Busheikin: lcc members um

[1:23:03] Trustee Fast: i'll start off uh laura just to say are you looking on page 67 at number 10

[1:23:10] Trustee Fast: the first one um

[1:23:11] Trustee Busheikin: i'm looking at 10 the first one and nine the second one

[1:23:16] Trustee Fast: okay because i was looking

[1:23:18] Trustee Fast: at 10 the first one which says the length of the applicants and any family members connection to

[1:23:23] Trustee Fast: Bowen Island and thought that was would fit. That would fit

[1:23:29] Trustee Busheikin: but the second one won't and even

[1:23:33] Trustee Busheikin: the fourth one the degree of suitability of the personal characteristics of the applicant

[1:23:38] Trustee Busheikin: if if the selection committee is made up of people of settler descent there are huge cultural

[1:23:46] Trustee Busheikin: differences between well there are many cultural differences between all of us but between

[1:23:51] Trustee Busheikin: between Indigenous people and people who've come

[1:23:53] Trustee Busheikin: from elsewhere as settlers here.

[1:23:55] Trustee Busheikin: And so that is very subjective,

[1:23:58] Trustee Busheikin: the suitability of the personal characteristics.

[1:24:00] Trustee Busheikin: And I will say as a settler person,

[1:24:02] Trustee Busheikin: I sometimes see that I do not understand

[1:24:05] Trustee Busheikin: elements of Indigenous culture and I am still learning

[1:24:09] Trustee Busheikin: and will be learning forever.

[1:24:11] Trustee Busheikin: And that could be interpreted

[1:24:14] Trustee Busheikin: when you don't understand something as it's not suitable,

[1:24:16] Trustee Busheikin: whereas actually it's simply that I don't understand it.

[1:24:19] Trustee Busheikin: so um you know i would love to see an indigenous person or two on the committee and but that's up

[1:24:25] Trustee Busheikin: to the dclta and i'm sure they're very aware of of um the the uh positive uh elements of

[1:24:33] Trustee Busheikin: being representative so yeah that's those are the things that i'm looking at those

[1:24:39] Trustee Busheikin: votes uh 9-2 and 10-2 and to some degree 10-4.

[1:24:47] Trustee Fast: 9-2, 10-2 and 10-4 thank you. Yeah

[1:24:50] Trustee Busheikin: 10-4 I would

[1:24:52] Trustee Busheikin: not I mean I think we can leave it there if there's something else in place and what Lisa

[1:25:00] Trustee Busheikin: suggested perhaps is is an act an actual policy that clearly like says that Indigenous applicants

[1:25:09] Trustee Busheikin: replicants from the region, with ties to the region, or meaningful ties to the region, she

[1:25:14] Trustee Busheikin: didn't give me wording, would be excluded from those requirements of living on Denman or having

[1:25:20] Trustee Busheikin: recent contribution, they have ancestral contribution.

[1:25:26] Trustee Fast: Thank you. And this is all just

[1:25:27] Trustee Fast: the application process anyway. I guess my question for Sonia, for Planner Zupanets, is that

[1:25:35] Trustee Fast: that this is just the application process, I imagine, to become an applicant, then you're on

[1:25:42] Trustee Fast: the list. And the committee would need to make those challenging decisions about what's the

[1:25:49] Trustee Fast: best fit for that little, for that community of tenants. Would that be correct?

[1:25:57] Planner Zupanec: Correct. And the whole point of having this included as a schedule to the bylaw is so that

[1:26:05] Planner Zupanec: it is clear and agreed upon that this is an appropriate and comprehensive selection procedure.

[1:26:14] Planner Zupanec: So removing it completely and hoping that a nonprofit organization does the right thing

[1:26:21] Planner Zupanec: is inappropriate in this case. So we don't recommend that any of this be left to the

[1:26:27] Planner Zupanec: community to decide. The whole point of this exercise is to specify what is the tenant

[1:26:31] Planner Zupanec: selection procedure on behalf of the entire community that the LTC endorses and supports

[1:26:38] Planner Zupanec: and is in line with the trust's reconciliation efforts. So at this point in time, it appears

[1:26:44] Planner Zupanec: that if you would like to have this further refined and brought back to you, we have enough

[1:26:51] Planner Zupanec: information based on Trustee Boushakian's discussion to go back with the applicant and

[1:26:59] Planner Zupanec: and the DCLTA board to suggest improvements to the wording

[1:27:04] Planner Zupanec: that can be presented to the local trust committee

[1:27:07] Planner Zupanec: at another meeting, because at this point in time,

[1:27:11] Planner Zupanec: I don't know that changes to these sections

[1:27:14] Planner Zupanec: without the applicant having an opportunity,

[1:27:17] Planner Zupanec: you know, outside of your political discussion

[1:27:21] Planner Zupanec: is appropriate that they may,

[1:27:23] Planner Zupanec: they do need to reflect on that and determine,

[1:27:26] Planner Zupanec: in you know what they would what recommendations they would put forward and then we can work with

[1:27:32] Planner Zupanec: them offline and present some suggested alternatives to you at another time very good

[1:27:40] Trustee Fast: thank you planner super nets does that fit with what you would like to see uh trustee bushekin

[1:27:47] Trustee Busheikin: yes and i will just add too that i gathered from the last round of funding from bc housing that the

[1:27:54] Trustee Busheikin: there was so much competition but that the um there was a clear preference given to housing

[1:28:02] Trustee Busheikin: projects that uh had where i had partnerships with the indigenous nations and or that were

[1:28:08] Trustee Busheikin: were um overtly inclusive uh of indigenous people and um so i think that uh we are moving forward

[1:28:16] Trustee Busheikin: with the with times and um and i i again apologize for bringing this up so late i wish it

[1:28:23] Trustee Busheikin: it, it was not so, but sometimes that's how change happens. But I, yeah, I do sincerely

[1:28:31] Trustee Busheikin: apologize for the last minute-ness and the fact that, you know, I can't just sit down and talk

[1:28:35] Trustee Busheikin: to the applicant anymore and say, hey, let's brainstorm a way through this. But I think that

[1:28:40] Trustee Busheikin: it's, it's doable. And so should I make a motion about that? Or is it okay just to not include

[1:28:49] Trustee Busheikin: include that yeah i'm just thinking what is the um what's the procedure now so

[1:28:57] Planner Zupanec: through the chair

[1:28:58] Planner Zupanec: there's a few options or two options the staff report recommendations could still be considered

[1:29:03] Planner Zupanec: by the local trust committee if you're comfortable with those you could move through those

[1:29:09] Planner Zupanec: recommendations make those changes we'll update the bylaws and have them sit until you can consider

[1:29:16] Planner Zupanec: further changes to Schedule B.

[1:29:20] Planner Zupanec: Okay.

[1:29:20] Planner Zupanec: You could defer consideration

[1:29:22] Planner Zupanec: and just simply receive this information

[1:29:25] Planner Zupanec: for report at this time and have a separate resolution

[1:29:29] Planner Zupanec: that requests staff to work with the applicant

[1:29:31] Planner Zupanec: on amendments to the Schedule B tenancy selection procedures

[1:29:37] Planner Zupanec: to address the issues that you've summarized

[1:29:42] Planner Zupanec: and we can bring that back in one comprehensive package

[1:29:46] Planner Zupanec: package for your consideration in the future. It's really up to you. It doesn't, you know,

[1:29:52] Planner Zupanec: for us, it doesn't matter. The bylaws will sit as they are. We can recycle these recommendations.

[1:29:58] Planner Zupanec: You can revisit.

[1:30:00] Planner Zupanec: them all in one go unless you felt comfortable just proceeding with what

[1:30:05] Planner Zupanec: you have in front of you now knowing that there might be additional changes

[1:30:09] Planner Zupanec: and second reading as amended again to schedule B in the future so however you

[1:30:15] Planner Zupanec: wish to proceed so

[1:30:17] Trustee Busheikin: just to clarify I think how I would wish to proceed and of

[1:30:21] Trustee Busheikin: course there's two other people on the committee is to go ahead with these

[1:30:25] Trustee Busheikin: because I think it's more efficient that way rather than needing to bring them

[1:30:29] Trustee Busheikin: back and but then to add a a new resolution to ask for more work on schedule okay okay and i i'll

[1:30:41] Trustee Busheikin: make some kind of resolution it may not be the most elegant um and it's a tricky thing even

[1:30:47] Trustee Busheikin: politically with the language around the uh indigenous people um to get it really bright

[1:30:53] Trustee Busheikin: but i'll do my best okay

[1:30:55] Trustee Fast: thank you and uh i'd like to just check in with trustee critchley

[1:31:01] Trustee Fast: David do you are you okay with this approach that we begin to work our way down through the

[1:31:05] Trustee Fast: recommendations now and that they'll be good okay good and so then looking ahead I'm just

[1:31:18] Trustee Fast: it's 11 30 we're going to schedule a break at 11 45 which I would hope we can make but we'll

[1:31:26] Trustee Fast: just letting people know where we are in the timing and uh uh do people want to take a break

[1:31:32] Trustee Fast: now quickly or do we want to work our way through these are there other big issues or let's let's

[1:31:40] Trustee Fast: begin then uh who would like to lead off with making a motion sure

[1:31:48] Voice 10: okay

[1:31:49] Trustee Fast: go ahead trustee

[1:31:49] Trustee Fast: christie

[1:31:51] Trustee Critchley: i'll move then that the deminal local trust committee bylaw number 239

[1:31:55] Trustee Critchley: side, it is Denman Island Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 239-2020, Schedule B, is amended as follows.

[1:32:04] Trustee Critchley: A, replace Section 2 with the following text. Quote, two, only seniors, that is persons who are

[1:32:12] Trustee Critchley: at least 65 years of age, bracket to a maximum of two such persons, bracket, may apply for an

[1:32:19] Trustee Critchley: affordable dwelling unit. Seniors of all ethnicities and races, including but not limited

[1:32:26] Trustee Critchley: to all on-reserve and off-reserve status and, I guess I should say and, and non-status and

[1:32:35] Trustee Critchley: self-identifying Indigenous, Inuit, and Métis people may become, quote, tenants upon entering

[1:32:43] Trustee Critchley: into a tenancy agreement. Close quote. B, section E, rental rates subsection 1 be amended by adding

[1:32:52] Trustee Critchley: the following to the end of the clause. Quote, provided rent does not include any sums received

[1:32:59] Trustee Critchley: by way of institutional rent subsidy or rent assistance available from time to time. Close

[1:33:06] Trustee Critchley: Quote, C, remove Section 9, Bracket 1, and renumber 9, Bracket 2, 3, and 4, and D, add a new section after 11.

[1:33:23] Trustee Critchley: Quote, 12, tenants at Pepper Lane will be entitled to age in place provided they arrange for any medical or other personal assistance they require.

[1:33:34] Trustee Critchley: Close quote.

[1:33:38] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[1:33:39] Trustee Critchley: That is the entirety of number one.

[1:33:42] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:33:43] Trustee Fast: And do I have a seconder?

[1:33:45] Trustee Fast: Or do you want to address that 9-1 at this point?

[1:33:53] Trustee Busheikin: I'm actually, let's see.

[1:33:56] Trustee Busheikin: Oh, no, I'm going to do a separate motion for that.

[1:33:59] Trustee Busheikin: So I'll second.

[1:34:01] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[1:34:02] Trustee Busheikin: So this,

[1:34:02] Trustee Fast: by the motion that's made and seconded here,

[1:34:06] Trustee Fast: here. We are removing 9.1. Oh, I'm on the wrong page. Never

[1:34:15] Trustee Fast: mind. Okay, that's fine. Thank you. And I was just finding my

[1:34:19] Trustee Fast: way around. Hang on one second here. So this is all of number

[1:34:24] Trustee Fast: one. A, B, C, and D has been moved and seconded. Any more

[1:34:29] Trustee Fast: discussion? No.

[1:34:34] Trustee Fast: Hearing none. Okay. Sometimes I can't see

[1:34:36] Trustee Fast: your hand, David, because you're close to the edge of the

[1:34:38] Trustee Fast: the screen so if i'm looking at you that's why um so uh with no more discussion then i'll call

[1:34:44] Trustee Fast: the question all those in favor aye aye

[1:34:49] Voice 10: aye

[1:34:50] Trustee Fast: thank you that passes unanimously three hands were up

[1:34:53] Trustee Fast: and uh carry on please david christie okay

[1:34:59] Trustee Critchley: i'll move to the deminon local trust committee bylaw

[1:35:02] Trustee Critchley: number 239 cited as quote denman island housing agreement bylaw number 239 2020 close quote be

[1:35:10] Trustee Critchley: you read a second time as amended and

[1:35:15] Trustee Fast: what okay thank you so that's a seconder laura

[1:35:20] Trustee Busheikin: yeah just

[1:35:21] Trustee Busheikin: like just making sure that um process wise like if we're going to change it again do we go all

[1:35:29] Trustee Busheikin: the way to second and third reading right now no no so we've actually so i'm i take that in the

[1:35:36] Trustee Busheikin: the second because you can sorry to

[1:35:40] Trustee Fast: interrupt so yeah

[1:35:41] Planner Zupanec: sorry

[1:35:42] Trustee Fast: go ahead planners on zupanets

[1:35:44] Trustee Fast: second

[1:35:45] Planner Zupanec: reading is amended is fine so the bylaws should sit at second reading because you're

[1:35:50] Planner Zupanec: contemplating additional changes in the future to this bylaw so it can just sit in second reading

[1:35:56] Planner Zupanec: and you can ignore staff recommendations uh three four and three and four at this time yeah okay

[1:36:03] Planner Zupanec: Okay. Thank you.

[1:36:05] Trustee Fast: Thank you. So it's moved and seconded. Yeah, when I said no, it was just

[1:36:11] Trustee Fast: because I could see people were looking down, but Sonia was shaking her head. So I was just

[1:36:14] Trustee Fast: interpreting. Okay. Thank you. So we've got a motion moved and seconded. And that is that it

[1:36:22] Trustee Fast: be read a second time as amended. And that's basically catching us up like Planner Zubinat

[1:36:28] Trustee Fast: said so any more discussion okay then i'll call the question all those in favor aye

[1:36:40] Voice 10: aye

[1:36:41] Trustee Fast: aye that's

[1:36:42] Trustee Fast: three thank you that passes unanimously and uh trustee beshaken would you like to do

[1:36:50] Voice 5: five uh

[1:36:51] Trustee Fast: yeah i think we can do um five um would you like to make

[1:36:57] Trustee Fast: that go ahead david sure

[1:37:01] Trustee Critchley: um i'll move the

[1:37:03] Trustee Critchley: of the Demand Island Local Trust Committee request staff

[1:37:05] Trustee Critchley: to amend the restrictive covenant as follows.

[1:37:09] Trustee Critchley: A, section two, no build, bracket A,

[1:37:15] Trustee Critchley: add the text quote, or amendment thereto approved

[1:37:19] Trustee Critchley: by the ALC, close quote, to the end of the sentence.

[1:37:24] Trustee Critchley: B, section two, no build, bracket C,

[1:37:30] Trustee Critchley: delete text and replace with quote,

[1:37:33] Trustee Critchley: Quote, before construction of any buildings, it erects and thereafter maintains a solid wood fence suitable to enhance visual privacy and mitigate dust along its entire shared boundary, bracket including driveway, close bracket.

[1:37:50] Trustee Critchley: With its three neighboring properties as 3716, 3690, and 3676 Denman Road, close quote.

[1:38:01] Trustee Critchley: Quote, see section two, no build, bracket D, delete text and replace with, quote, in the course of construction of any buildings, it installs a berm along its shared southerly boundary, bracket, excluding driveway, close bracket, with its neighbor at 3806 Denman Road.

[1:38:22] Trustee Critchley: Said berm to be a minimum height of 1.5 meters, close quote.

[1:38:28] Trustee Critchley: Quote, D, Section 6, Monitoring and Reporting Requirements, bracket C, 1, remove the text, quote, and a hydrograph showing continuous groundwater levels, temperature, electric conductivity, and monthly periodic water volume totals.

[1:38:53] Trustee Critchley: close quote e schedule d water champion covenant annual report template in scope

[1:39:03] Trustee Critchley: remove the sixth bullet and remove the quote well monitoring analysis close quote section entirely

[1:39:13] Trustee Critchley: period thank

[1:39:16] Trustee Fast: you and do i have a seconder i see laura beshaken's hand very good thank you and um

[1:39:22] Trustee Fast: any discussion no

[1:39:26] Trustee Critchley: seeing

[1:39:27] Trustee Fast: no discussion then i'm going to call the question all those in favor

[1:39:31] Trustee Fast: aye aye aye

[1:39:35] Trustee Fast: that's three thank you very much that passes unanimously that was number five

[1:39:40] Trustee Fast: very good so we'll come back to three and four uh later but first i think we've got a motion from

[1:39:48] Trustee Fast: uh trustee boucher yes

[1:39:50] Trustee Busheikin: and i've sent this to the minute taker vicky bachman and to will

[1:39:55] Trustee Busheikin: Will Cottingham. So maybe it can be put on screen. It's a little bit long. But

[1:40:01] Trustee Fast: or is it

[1:40:02] Trustee Fast: Sonia? Do you need? I think Sonia is doing the screen.

[1:40:06] Trustee Fast: Oh, okay. You

[1:40:08] Trustee Busheikin: know, I could send it to all panelists. There we go. Okay.

[1:40:17] Voice 15: So

[1:40:18] Trustee Busheikin: Sonia will see it and we'll see it in the chat. It's there in the chat. Yeah. And I know

[1:40:23] Trustee Busheikin: know, I made this on the fly. I was hoping to get Lisa Wilcox's input, but she's pretty busy this

[1:40:34] Trustee Busheikin: week. A lot going on. So I'll just say this out loud then. I move that Schedule B tenant selection

[1:40:42] Trustee Busheikin: procedure for Pepper Lane of the Denman Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 239, cited as

[1:40:49] Trustee Busheikin: denman island housing agreement bylaw number 239 2020 be amended to clarify that indigenous people

[1:40:57] Trustee Busheikin: with ties to denman island who don't currently live don't currently reside on denman island

[1:41:04] Trustee Busheikin: be considered as potential tenants on a par with current denman residents regardless of whether or

[1:41:10] Trustee Busheikin: not they meet all provisions in the schedule thank

[1:41:16] Trustee Fast: you um do i have a uh well first i want to ask

[1:41:21] Trustee Fast: Planner Zupanets, is there any technical issue with this that you can see or suggestion that

[1:41:28] Trustee Fast: you might have?

[1:41:31] Planner Zupanec: No, okay. No, I'll work with the applicants to bring back language for your

[1:41:36] Planner Zupanec: consideration.

[1:41:37] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you. And Trustee Critchley?

[1:41:42] Trustee Critchley: Yeah, well, I'm just wondering what

[1:41:43] Trustee Critchley: the intent here is then, is this, this almost sounds like wording to incorporate directly in

[1:41:51] Trustee Critchley: without further ado, but is the intent then to really take this as a concept to then have staff

[1:42:02] Trustee Critchley: review with the applicant for input and for maybe rewording or alternative wordings brought back to

[1:42:15] Trustee Critchley: the next meeting i'm not sure what the intent is there well

[1:42:20] Trustee Busheikin: may i yeah yeah i mean i don't really

[1:42:25] Trustee Busheikin: know like i didn't want to dictate especially because i haven't had time to to think too much

[1:42:30] Trustee Busheikin: about it and i can't speak to the applicant without breaking laws um uh if the applicant's

[1:42:35] Trustee Busheikin: happy with this wording and staff think it's good i think it would be good to to work with um

[1:42:40] Trustee Busheikin: um uh lisa wilcox perhaps her letter have a look at it uh to see how that fits but um so it could

[1:42:49] Trustee Busheikin: be this wording or it could be different it could be changes to the other provisions you know i don't

[1:42:55] Trustee Busheikin: really i don't know so i guess it's yet to get sonia to to do that work um and perhaps it will

[1:43:02] Trustee Busheikin: be really simple and then it will come back to us i guess uh as soon as it's done like what i really

[1:43:09] Trustee Busheikin: you know what i really hope is that this won't slow it down so that by the time it gets back to

[1:43:13] Trustee Busheikin: us from the ministry that ideally this is done um because i'm very aware that um if this you

[1:43:20] Trustee Busheikin: know is ready to move forward and that we have a a really hard-working board of volunteers and

[1:43:25] Trustee Busheikin: a bunch of people waiting for housing and a community waiting for this so um yeah i think

[1:43:31] Trustee Busheikin: this is sort of a request to staff to uh you know make it so and get get back to us so that we can

[1:43:41] Trustee Busheikin: uh vote on it as as needed okay

[1:43:45] Trustee Fast: thank you uh trustee buchekin and i think uh planner zupanets

[1:43:48] Trustee Fast: has added some text below your motion there that maybe you can have a look at um while i check in

[1:43:55] Trustee Fast: with trustee critchley trustee critchley is that answer your question yeah

[1:44:02] Trustee Critchley: so i'm what i'm seeing

[1:44:04] Trustee Critchley: then on the screen as the second paragraph is really what i'm understanding to be then

[1:44:09] Trustee Critchley: a replacement motion in effect absolutely and that

[1:44:13] Trustee Critchley: would be fine okay

[1:44:15] Trustee Fast: so because we haven't

[1:44:17] Trustee Fast: that first one wasn't seconded and so this is the one that trustee busheik and i am gathering

[1:44:24] Trustee Fast: and you're moving this should

[1:44:25] Trustee Busheikin: i read it out loud for anyone yes it's more or less the same but the

[1:44:29] Trustee Busheikin: beginning is different uh we i move that staff be requested to work with the applicant to amend

[1:44:35] Trustee Busheikin: bylaw 239 scheduled b tenant selection procedure for pepper lane to clarify so needs a little two

[1:44:41] Trustee Busheikin: in there to clarify that indigenous people with ties to denman island who don't currently reside

[1:44:46] Trustee Busheikin: on denman island be considered as potential tenants on a par with current denman residents

[1:44:51] Trustee Busheikin: residents regardless of whether or not they meet all the provisions in the schedule thank you so

[1:44:57] Trustee Fast: that's the motion and do I have a seconder yes

[1:45:01] Voice 10: thank

[1:45:02] Trustee Fast: you moved and seconded and uh more discussion

[1:45:06] Trustee Fast: I have spoken okay any more discussion no I'm not seeing no more discussion thank you so I will um

[1:45:17] Trustee Fast: I'm going to call the question then all those in favor aye aye

[1:45:23] Voice 10: aye

[1:45:24] Trustee Fast: thank you that passes thank you

[1:45:26] Trustee Fast: very much everybody um so i'm putting that down as six just for my scribbly note keeping here

[1:45:33] Trustee Fast: and uh can

[1:45:35] Trustee Busheikin: i although i didn't speak against motion can i just make one follow-up comment

[1:45:38] Trustee Busheikin: briefly by all means okay uh well one is thank you like i i feel that we are in a little way

[1:45:45] Trustee Busheikin: making making history by uh beginning to say to indigenous people like we are we welcome you back

[1:45:54] Trustee Busheikin: to to your land um uh and it's also our land but uh we're shifting and so i think that's really

[1:46:02] Trustee Busheikin: actually important and and meaningful and i thank you for doing that with me and the other thing is

[1:46:07] Trustee Busheikin: it's implied and i think it doesn't need to be written but i'm assuming that someone from the

[1:46:11] Trustee Busheikin: clta is here to me that implies that of course when uh units are available that outreach will

[1:46:17] Trustee Busheikin: be done to it at the very least the comox nation to apprise them of this and to genuinely welcome

[1:46:23] Trustee Busheikin: them to apply did you want to make another motion about that or that needs

[1:46:32] Trustee Busheikin: to be a policy that seems there's no other policies about how they do their

[1:46:35] Trustee Busheikin: outreach and I think

[1:46:37] Trustee Busheikin: it's sort of a how-to it's just something that I felt

[1:46:40] Trustee Busheikin: like I needed to say out loud thank

[1:46:43] Trustee Fast: you and trustee Critchley thank you

[1:46:48] Trustee Critchley: and I just like to say for the record I do acknowledge and value the efforts of

[1:46:56] Trustee Critchley: of the trust in reconciliation.

[1:46:58] Trustee Critchley: I think it's extremely important

[1:47:01] Trustee Critchley: that we create some harmony between the different cultures.

[1:47:07] Trustee Critchley: I do want to point out too,

[1:47:09] Trustee Critchley: that in a specific example of Denman Island,

[1:47:12] Trustee Critchley: the European historical record shows that as of 1864,

[1:47:19] Trustee Critchley: there were no indigenous people living on Denman Island

[1:47:23] Trustee Critchley: And the village at Village Point had been abandoned and was in ruins with the statement that those people who were the Pentlatch had apparently been decimated by smallpox, by disease and warfare.

[1:47:39] Trustee Critchley: affair. And certainly the history of the Comox people, as published in a master's thesis by one

[1:47:48] Trustee Critchley: of their members, shows that they in fact took in some of the remnants of the Pentlatch people,

[1:47:55] Trustee Critchley: as did the Qualicum. So that is where the Indigenous people of Denman Isle have ended up,

[1:48:02] Trustee Critchley: but not to ignore the fact that there are continuing connections with Dem and Island,

[1:48:09] Trustee Critchley: and they may be of a deeply held spiritual nature or otherwise.

[1:48:15] Trustee Critchley: But I just wanted to state that for context and to show that we are not unmindful of history.

[1:48:24] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[1:48:26] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[1:48:27] Trustee Fast: Yes, and I think, as most things, there's more to be learned every day.

[1:48:33] Trustee Fast: and i know i'm certainly continuing to learn more and uh history uh well there's more more

[1:48:43] Trustee Fast: information comes to light doesn't it um okay thank you very much then uh i think we've concluded

[1:48:49] Trustee Fast: um 9.1 9.2 and and 9.3 so i'm wondering if we can um uh take a break now it's 11 50

[1:49:00] Trustee Fast: and uh take a break for lunch and um i'm wondering uh because the next one might be a big one and

[1:49:09] Trustee Fast: this is the one in the addendum and i think a break would be good before then so we can get a

[1:49:14] Trustee Fast: bite to eat and uh would people like um i've got uh half an hour down on here was that good for

[1:49:20] Trustee Fast: everybody i'm seeing general nodding okay so um as we're at 11 51 then if we come back at uh 12

[1:49:30] Trustee Fast: 12 21 does that add up yep thank you my my math on the fly is poor but uh let's adjourn now for

[1:49:39] Trustee Fast: lunch and we'll come back at 12 21 thank you everybody

[1:50:24] Voice 10: i'm

[1:50:36] Trustee Fast: hearing somebody move around back

[1:50:37] Trustee Fast: there

[2:20:55] Voice 15: hello hi david it's sue ellen here i think we're just about to

[2:21:02] Voice 15: get going here we come okay good

[2:21:10] Voice 15: now can you see

[2:21:12] Trustee Fast: me yes yes

[2:21:14] Trustee Fast: good okay i turned my self view off so i'm never quite sure

[2:21:18] Trustee Fast: it's just another distraction you know um okay then let's uh commence with uh we're reconvening

[2:21:30] Trustee Fast: the meeting of the Denman Island Local Trust Committee on this beautiful July morning,

[2:21:37] Trustee Fast: afternoon now, and we're going to recommence at item 9.4 on our agenda, which is the

[2:21:45] Trustee Fast: application to amend the OCP and LUB to allow for density transfer in 20 units of affordable

[2:21:50] Trustee Fast: housing, Denman Green Project, Planner Zupanets. We're starting on the addendum

[2:21:57] Trustee Fast: to the agenda so if you're looking for it in the regular agenda it's not there it's a separate

[2:22:03] Trustee Fast: package thank you take it away planner Zubinetz thanks

[2:22:08] Planner Zupanec: so much this is a pretty comprehensive

[2:22:11] Planner Zupanec: staff report package so I will endeavor to go over the critical pieces to support the

[2:22:19] Planner Zupanec: staff recommendations that are included on the first page of the staff report and then leave

[2:22:25] Planner Zupanec: leave more space for LTC questions of the planner

[2:22:29] Planner Zupanec: or the applicant and property owners

[2:22:32] Planner Zupanec: who are also available in joining this meeting.

[2:22:36] Planner Zupanec: So I do have to do some switching of screens in between

[2:22:40] Planner Zupanec: because we have a more recent document

[2:22:42] Planner Zupanec: that was submitted to me yesterday that I need to refer to.

[2:22:44] Planner Zupanec: So if you just bear with me.

[2:22:48] Planner Zupanec: We'll be starting with this contextual figure

[2:22:52] Planner Zupanec: in the staff report just to summarize

[2:22:54] Planner Zupanec: or help to explain the density transfer

[2:22:59] Planner Zupanec: and multi-phase approach for this application.

[2:23:03] Planner Zupanec: So this rezoning by-law amendment package application

[2:23:07] Planner Zupanec: is to amend the Denman official community plan

[2:23:10] Planner Zupanec: and the land use by-law to transfer density

[2:23:14] Planner Zupanec: between three parcels on the Island

[2:23:16] Planner Zupanec: highlighted here in the figure,

[2:23:19] Planner Zupanec: drawing on the density bank in the Denman OCP

[2:23:23] Planner Zupanec: as well as a provisional policy in your OCP that permits an increase in density for 20 units of

[2:23:32] Planner Zupanec: rent controlled affordable housing in the Denman Village which is the parcel highlighted in the

[2:23:37] Planner Zupanec: center here. The units would be owned and managed by the Denman Housing Association

[2:23:44] Planner Zupanec: who are the applicant and they've signed an agreement with the property owner to acquire

[2:23:50] Planner Zupanec: the one-hectare commercially zoned portion in the village

[2:23:54] Planner Zupanec: for the purposes of developing

[2:23:56] Planner Zupanec: the 20 units of affordable housing.

[2:23:58] Planner Zupanec: The transfer of that title is contingent on the success

[2:24:01] Planner Zupanec: of the density transfer of another receiver parcel

[2:24:04] Planner Zupanec: here in the north,

[2:24:05] Planner Zupanec: which we'll refer to as the Danes Road parcel.

[2:24:08] Planner Zupanec: The receiver parcel in the Denman Village

[2:24:11] Planner Zupanec: we're still referring to as the Kirk Road parcel,

[2:24:15] Planner Zupanec: which is also on Northwest Road.

[2:24:17] Planner Zupanec: And then the other donor parcel here

[2:24:19] Planner Zupanec: year we'll refer to as the Woodham parcel. So this preliminary staff report recommends that

[2:24:26] Planner Zupanec: the LTC consider directing staff to begin drafting bylaws to enact the changes that are required to

[2:24:32] Planner Zupanec: support the application as presented. As well, we're suggesting additional pieces of information

[2:24:37] Planner Zupanec: are required in order to proceed. So we'll go through those recommendations in a bit. I just

[2:24:42] Planner Zupanec: want to provide a succinct summary of how this application would work for those watching or

[2:24:49] Planner Zupanec: participating in the community who need this information presented i'm sure you've gone on

[2:24:56] Planner Zupanec: to the website trustees to look at the professional reports as i suggested earlier last week there's

[2:25:01] Planner Zupanec: an exhaustive list of reports that were submitted as part of this application that we're referring

[2:25:07] Planner Zupanec: to and drawing on in your consideration of this so i'll start with uh this parcel here in the south

[2:25:14] Planner Zupanec: the wooden piece just to confirm that this parcel the intent here is to reduce the density of the

[2:25:22] Planner Zupanec: non-agricultural land reserve portion from the permitted seven units of density or dwellings that

[2:25:29] Planner Zupanec: are currently allowed under the r2 zoning to four so that's a reduction of three units of density

[2:25:38] Planner Zupanec: and those would be transferred to the north to what we're referring to as the danes road parcel

[2:25:44] Planner Zupanec: It's actually the whole parcel is highlighted, but really it's just the small northwestern piece that we'll look at in more detail in just a bit that would receive that three density increase.

[2:25:58] Planner Zupanec: We're currently there's proposed lots four and five, each permitted one dwelling each would be either consolidated or subdivided again to allow for a maximum of five.

[2:26:09] Planner Zupanec: so there would be a rezoning required for this piece as well as the wooden property

[2:26:16] Planner Zupanec: to decrease and increase and permit that transfer of density between the two

[2:26:22] Planner Zupanec: the concurrent applications associated with this parcel um sorry there is a current subdivision

[2:26:32] Planner Zupanec: application um that is um just about ready to be finalized as far as i understand in terms of

[2:26:39] Planner Zupanec: creating the proposed lots four and five so there would need to be a subsequent future subdivision

[2:26:45] Planner Zupanec: application should this be successful the other receiver parcel is the one that's the the pith and

[2:26:53] Planner Zupanec: substance of this application for affordable housing and this is the one hectare piece in

[2:27:00] Planner Zupanec: the village that was just reviewed by the local trust committee for the development variance permit

[2:27:06] Planner Zupanec: to reduce the minimum lot size

[2:27:08] Planner Zupanec: and enable the subdivision to proceed.

[2:27:10] Planner Zupanec: And that is subdivision application

[2:27:15] Planner Zupanec: and development variance permit application

[2:27:17] Planner Zupanec: are both cross-referenced here.

[2:27:19] Planner Zupanec: So the increase in density for this piece

[2:27:22] Planner Zupanec: would be drawing on the Denman density bank,

[2:27:26] Planner Zupanec: as well as an OCP policy that provides

[2:27:29] Planner Zupanec: for up to 5% increase.

[2:27:30] Planner Zupanec: increase. And that is the summary for sort of density transferring and the

[2:27:38] Planner Zupanec: logistics between

[2:27:39] Planner Zupanec: those three parcels. If there's any questions, it might be easier if we will you take them as we go

[2:27:44] Planner Zupanec: specific to the math, perhaps, of this piece. Otherwise, I'll continue to move on.

[2:27:51] Planner Zupanec: I have one. Excuse

[2:27:53] Trustee Fast: me. Because I'm not as familiar. I'm looking at table one on page five

[2:27:58] Trustee Fast: of the addendum page four of your report um two of those pid numbers are the same and i was trying

[2:28:05] Trustee Fast: to use this table to uh sort to be my guide which one is five two three that the the um

[2:28:16] Trustee Fast: danes or woodham they both have the same pid number oh

[2:28:22] Planner Zupanec: sorry that would be an error so

[2:28:23] Planner Zupanec: So this property, the wooden parcel, would be reduced from seven to four densities.

[2:28:32] Planner Zupanec: And those densities would be transferred to the Danes Road parcel, which currently has permitted two, increased to five.

[2:28:39] Trustee Fast: OK, thank you. And I'll get those other PID numbers later.

[2:28:44] Trustee Fast: I was just I got lost in the middle. Thank you very much.

[2:28:47] Trustee Fast: OK, continue.

[2:28:48] Voice 15: Unless anybody

[2:28:49] Trustee Fast: else has a question.

[2:28:52] Voice 15: OK, go ahead, please. Planner Zipanets.

[2:28:54] Voice 15: Thanks. So I will share a different screen.

[2:29:04] Planner Zupanec: So in your staff report, there's a site plan that I'm now replacing with a more up-to-date version, which should be on your screen now.

[2:29:14] Planner Zupanec: So you can ignore the site plan in the staff report.

[2:29:19] Planner Zupanec: This was by request to include a pond, a water feature, and ensure that that siting is clear on the site plan for all future consideration,

[2:29:33] Planner Zupanec: as well as the relocation of the septic effluent dispersal fields

[2:29:40] Planner Zupanec: and their proximity to the roads and to the proposed dwelling units.

[2:29:45] Planner Zupanec: So this is the site plan for the one hectare,

[2:29:49] Planner Zupanec: what is now the commercially zoned portion of the Crook Road property in the Denman Village,

[2:29:53] Planner Zupanec: the receiver parcel for 20 units of rental housing.

[2:30:00] Planner Zupanec: And the key considerations for this, similar to the last proposal that you had from the

[2:30:06] Planner Zupanec: Denman Housing Association, is that the intent is to apply for BC Housing funding in 2022

[2:30:13] Planner Zupanec: to enable the development of this project in its entirety as presented under step code

[2:30:20] Planner Zupanec: for energy requirements.

[2:30:23] Planner Zupanec: The rainwater harvesting and collection element of this project is significant to supplement

[2:30:29] Planner Zupanec: a current or an existing well on site

[2:30:33] Planner Zupanec: and the cistern location in the north,

[2:30:36] Planner Zupanec: sort of west corner here would be to supplement the well.

[2:30:41] Planner Zupanec: There are reports,

[2:30:46] Planner Zupanec: the hydrogeological assessment report that was submitted

[2:30:48] Planner Zupanec: indicating that there is sufficient groundwater resources

[2:30:51] Planner Zupanec: to supply the proposed development as presented.

[2:30:55] Planner Zupanec: So the applicant has applied for a water license

[2:30:58] Planner Zupanec: with additional information being compiled to submit to the province

[2:31:02] Planner Zupanec: and that dovetail into staff recommendations for a water management plan

[2:31:07] Planner Zupanec: to very clearly lay out how water is used on this site

[2:31:12] Planner Zupanec: and a number of other parameters that we'll go over.

[2:31:16] Planner Zupanec: So sewage disposal, there is also a professional report pertaining to the site conditions

[2:31:23] Planner Zupanec: to support the subdivision.

[2:31:25] Planner Zupanec: And the applicant has noted

[2:31:27] Planner Zupanec: that they will be updating that report

[2:31:29] Planner Zupanec: to ensure that it reflects the intended density

[2:31:33] Planner Zupanec: of this parcel of 49, potentially maximum 49 residents

[2:31:37] Planner Zupanec: to ensure that the report indicates

[2:31:39] Planner Zupanec: that that could be supported with the conditions

[2:31:43] Planner Zupanec: and the technology that's being presented.

[2:31:48] Planner Zupanec: So I'm gonna switch again back to the staff report

[2:31:55] Planner Zupanec: so that we can look at the Danes Road parcel.

[2:32:25] Voice 15: There we go,

[2:32:26] Planner Zupanec: sorry about that.

[2:32:27] Voice 15: So

[2:32:31] Planner Zupanec: only a portion of the other receiver parcel

[2:32:34] Planner Zupanec: is intended for this increase in density

[2:32:36] Planner Zupanec: from two dwellings to five.

[2:32:41] Planner Zupanec: So it says about a six and seven hectare parcels

[2:32:45] Planner Zupanec: that are currently proposed to be subdivided

[2:32:47] Planner Zupanec: as part of this larger six lot subdivision.

[2:32:50] Planner Zupanec: and the intent in the future should this rezoning and bylaw amendment application be successful

[2:32:56] Planner Zupanec: is that the this shown in red would then be further subdivided to permit five lots and due

[2:33:04] Planner Zupanec: to the proximity of these lots to water courses we have been recommending that proof of adequate

[2:33:11] Planner Zupanec: sewage disposal be conditional as part of the rezoning versus a future subdivision application

[2:33:17] Planner Zupanec: application to ensure that there's no gaps in information in terms of the LTC's consideration

[2:33:22] Planner Zupanec: of whether or not this site is appropriate for that increase in density versus waiting for the

[2:33:31] Planner Zupanec: subdivision application and the provincial approving officer to determine if that was

[2:33:36] Planner Zupanec: indeed the case. So that's also embedded in the staff recommendations that we'll be reviewing

[2:33:41] Planner Zupanec: in just a minute. So maybe I'll just go back to this image while we go over some of their

[2:33:47] Planner Zupanec: other elements of the staff report. There's a considerable site context information for your

[2:33:54] Planner Zupanec: consideration and the attachments that I won't go over in detail, just focus on the issues and

[2:33:59] Planner Zupanec: opportunities, specifically the staff report recommendations pertaining to the water management

[2:34:05] Planner Zupanec: plan, First Nations and wastewater treatment. So in support of the recommendation that a water

[2:34:14] Planner Zupanec: management plan be submitted for further consideration of these bylaws advancing when

[2:34:19] Planner Zupanec: they're drafted. Both receiver parcels are classified as having moderate and high aquifer

[2:34:27] Planner Zupanec: intrinsic vulnerability according to our internal mapping. So we know that the residential portion

[2:34:34] Planner Zupanec: of the Kirk Road parcel would be connected to the Cornell water system, but the one hectare piece

[2:34:41] Planner Zupanec: piece for affordable housing would be a combination of groundwater and rainwater collection

[2:34:49] Planner Zupanec: and licensed through the province. So staff's recommending that the water management plan

[2:34:56] Planner Zupanec: address a number of issues outlined in the staff report and we'll skip to those so that they're on

[2:35:01] Planner Zupanec: the screen for you. And these would be critical in terms of supplementing and supporting a

[2:35:08] Planner Zupanec: a restrictive covenant that may be used on title

[2:35:11] Planner Zupanec: to ensure adequate monitoring is undertaken

[2:35:14] Planner Zupanec: to support the increase in density as proposed.

[2:35:18] Planner Zupanec: And the management plan would hopefully address

[2:35:21] Planner Zupanec: these elements as shown in the staff report,

[2:35:24] Planner Zupanec: which includes water demand, conservation commitments,

[2:35:27] Planner Zupanec: onsite storage capacity, emergency considerations,

[2:35:33] Planner Zupanec: proposed plan for the irrigation and gray water reuse,

[2:35:36] Planner Zupanec: use and the monitoring and stormwater management requirements so the draft covenant is also

[2:35:45] Planner Zupanec: recommended to be prepared to ensure the ongoing monitoring and maintenance and that a copy of the

[2:35:52] Planner Zupanec: water license once it is approved is provided to the local trust committee before a public hearing

[2:35:57] Planner Zupanec: is scheduled for this application so that that information can be presented to the community to

[2:36:03] Planner Zupanec: satisfy concerns perhaps about an increase in density in an area with a known groundwater

[2:36:08] Planner Zupanec: supply issue we have not provided an analysis to you yet regarding the danes road parcels

[2:36:19] Planner Zupanec: on the groundwater available quantity we do have quality water quality data

[2:36:25] Planner Zupanec: that was submitted as part of the original subdivision for these six lots and there are

[2:36:31] Planner Zupanec: There is a covenant that was required at the time of subdivision for that to ensure that the quality of water would meet minimum water requirements.

[2:36:41] Planner Zupanec: However, the quantity data still needs to be reviewed.

[2:36:44] Planner Zupanec: So we can provide that to you at a future date based on the information that was provided as part of this six-lot subdivision.

[2:36:54] Planner Zupanec: Let's go back to this image.

[2:36:56] Planner Zupanec: so um wastewater treatment you do have confirmation from a qualified professional

[2:37:05] Planner Zupanec: that the kirk road property has adequate area and conditions for wastewater treatment however

[2:37:16] Planner Zupanec: the report fails to address the density of the proposal which is 49 potential full-time

[2:37:24] Planner Zupanec: residents so the applicant has been advised that that needs to be updated and as far as i understand

[2:37:29] Planner Zupanec: that's currently underway to ensure that that report specifically mentions the density that

[2:37:34] Planner Zupanec: the system is intended to support uh as well we're recommending that the the danes road parcels also

[2:37:40] Planner Zupanec: have the same level of assessment provided from a qualified professional to satisfy any concerns

[2:37:47] Planner Zupanec: that those two parcels, proposed lot four and five,

[2:37:52] Planner Zupanec: if subdivided to allow for up to five

[2:37:54] Planner Zupanec: full-time residential units,

[2:37:56] Planner Zupanec: have adequate area and conditions

[2:37:58] Planner Zupanec: to support wastewater treatment.

[2:38:02] Planner Zupanec: And First Nations updates that we can provide you,

[2:38:06] Planner Zupanec: as was mentioned in the development variance permit

[2:38:08] Planner Zupanec: application that you just recently approved earlier today,

[2:38:12] Planner Zupanec: we did send early notification in April to COMOCS

[2:38:16] Planner Zupanec: regarding the full suite of development that's being contemplated by this application

[2:38:22] Planner Zupanec: so the applicant has contacted the arc branch and received documentation that they would not be

[2:38:29] Planner Zupanec: requiring any further permits or studies on the parcel based on the mapping that they have

[2:38:37] Planner Zupanec: staff's recommendation is taking it to the next step in terms of the island's trust commitment

[2:38:44] Planner Zupanec: for reconciliation with Comox Nation specifically in that we have their cultural heritage policy

[2:38:51] Planner Zupanec: requirements which are part of attachment four of the staff report and we understand that there is

[2:38:58] Planner Zupanec: a need to ensure that there's no missed opportunity with this application to provide

[2:39:04] Planner Zupanec: sufficient evidence that the proposed increase in density on the receiver parcel would not

[2:39:11] Planner Zupanec: be infringing on archaeological potential that that we have mapping of for this area and that

[2:39:18] Planner Zupanec: adequate permits and processing of cultural heritage in this area is considered well before

[2:39:25] Planner Zupanec: a public hearing is scheduled so we would like to vet that with the ARC branch and the nation

[2:39:33] Planner Zupanec: specifically and ensure that if there is a suggestion to the local trust committee that

[2:39:39] Planner Zupanec: that there needs to be an archeological overview assessment

[2:39:42] Planner Zupanec: conducted by the applicants,

[2:39:44] Planner Zupanec: that we have that information to you

[2:39:46] Planner Zupanec: well in advance of a public hearing,

[2:39:50] Planner Zupanec: so that the community is aware

[2:39:51] Planner Zupanec: that this process is underway at least,

[2:39:53] Planner Zupanec: or that it has been considered

[2:39:55] Planner Zupanec: and that it hasn't been recommended.

[2:39:57] Planner Zupanec: So that addresses one of the staff recommendations

[2:40:01] Planner Zupanec: specific to staff going away

[2:40:03] Planner Zupanec: and doing a little bit more investigation

[2:40:06] Planner Zupanec: to make sure that that will not be a requirement

[2:40:09] Planner Zupanec: much later in the process but that we can determine if that's required at this stage

[2:40:14] Planner Zupanec: early in the stage so if you have any specific questions to that I'd be happy to address that

[2:40:21] Planner Zupanec: at this time the rest of the staff report is in its entirety self-explanatory but I'm happy to

[2:40:30] Planner Zupanec: answer any questions about any specific elements that you have there the recommendations on the

[2:40:36] Planner Zupanec: first page of the report although lengthy do recommend that staff proceed to drafting the

[2:40:45] Planner Zupanec: amendment bylaw for both the official community plan and the land use bylaw based on the ocp

[2:40:52] Planner Zupanec: analysis that's an attachment number three of your staff report so we've identified a number

[2:40:58] Planner Zupanec: of potential factors that we can build into the draft bylaws and the amendments and then you can

[2:41:04] Planner Zupanec: decide at that time that you review the draft bylaws whether you want to see those elements

[2:41:10] Planner Zupanec: move forward or not but at this point we would use this as sufficient direction to proceed with

[2:41:15] Planner Zupanec: substantial amendments to policies and regulations and that the applicant provide confirmation

[2:41:25] Planner Zupanec: from a qualified professional regarding the sewage treatment for both parcels that you commit to

[2:41:35] Planner Zupanec: receiving that provincial water license as part of the consideration of this application

[2:41:40] Planner Zupanec: prior to a public hearing being scheduled and that the applicant provide a water management plan

[2:41:46] Planner Zupanec: with the specific elements outlined in the staff recommendation as well we have already identified

[2:41:55] Planner Zupanec: that the housing agreement and any restrictive covenant that's required we have substantial

[2:42:02] Planner Zupanec: substantial templates that we've already developed,

[2:42:04] Planner Zupanec: but are still in the process of developing

[2:42:06] Planner Zupanec: for BC Housing specifically,

[2:42:09] Planner Zupanec: but this would still require a cost recovery agreement

[2:42:12] Planner Zupanec: with the applicant.

[2:42:14] Planner Zupanec: So we need direction from the local trust committee

[2:42:16] Planner Zupanec: to initiate that and begin the process of drafting

[2:42:21] Planner Zupanec: these documents based on the templates that we have.

[2:42:23] Planner Zupanec: So that should significantly reduce the amount

[2:42:26] Planner Zupanec: of the cost recovery agreement.

[2:42:29] Planner Zupanec: And then we have additional recommendations

[2:42:31] Planner Zupanec: pertaining to the commitment for a no transfer no sale before the bylaws are fully considered

[2:42:39] Planner Zupanec: which we've discussed at the dvp application today so the applicant is committed to that

[2:42:45] Planner Zupanec: and we should have confirmation of that but it would still be good to have this resolution from

[2:42:50] Planner Zupanec: the local trust committee to just sort of follow this application along and record these types of

[2:42:58] Planner Zupanec: decisions. And recommendation six here pertains to staff basically doing a bit more work behind

[2:43:06] Planner Zupanec: the scenes to identify whether or not an archaeological overview assessments would

[2:43:12] Voice 1: be

[2:43:12] Planner Zupanec: required or preferred by the nation due to the proximity of this parcel in an area with

[2:43:19] Planner Zupanec: high potential for archaeological resources. And that we do an early referral to the Denman Fire

[2:43:27] Planner Zupanec: fire department specifically to just formally comment in advance of bylaws being considered

[2:43:32] Planner Zupanec: that they're satisfied that the applicant has addressed fire suppression needs or incorporated

[2:43:38] Planner Zupanec: that into their proposal any other considerations that might be relevant and that the trust

[2:43:45] Planner Zupanec: conservancy and the freshwater specialist comment because we are in proximity to covenant islands

[2:43:53] Planner Zupanec: and stress conservancy covenant areas and they do wish to comment on these types of applications

[2:43:58] Planner Zupanec: possibly earlier than at the referral stage so that we can flag any potential issues for you

[2:44:05] Planner Zupanec: so i will turn it back to the chair if there's questions for me as i mentioned the owner of the

[2:44:12] Planner Zupanec: receiver parcel as well as the applicant are available and i encourage you to ask questions

[2:44:22] Planner Zupanec: directly to them

[2:44:22] Trustee Fast: as well thank you thank you planner zupanets okay so trustees um i can see

[2:44:30] Trustee Fast: laura's got her mic turned off and her camera turned off so i can't tell if you're there

[2:44:34] Trustee Fast: there you are thank you just checking that you're actually with us and um uh trustees do you have

[2:44:41] Trustee Fast: questions for the planner or the applicant or the owner laura beshaken okay

[2:44:49] Trustee Busheikin: yeah i have a few i think

[2:44:50] Trustee Busheikin: I think they're for the planner at this point,

[2:44:53] Trustee Busheikin: but if the applicant or the owner wants to say anything,

[2:44:56] Trustee Busheikin: I'm from them.

[2:44:59] Trustee Busheikin: And one, so there's a few.

[2:45:01] Trustee Busheikin: So there've been some, I think some emailing

[2:45:06] Trustee Busheikin: and discussion at the last meeting,

[2:45:07] Trustee Busheikin: I think about the LTC writing a letter asking Flynnward

[2:45:13] Trustee Busheikin: to expedite the process of getting the water license

[2:45:18] Trustee Busheikin: as much as they can do.

[2:45:21] Trustee Busheikin: given that it's for affordable housing,

[2:45:24] Trustee Busheikin: which is a priority provincially.

[2:45:28] Trustee Busheikin: And what, so I'm just curious what happened with that?

[2:45:31] Trustee Busheikin: Because I think the email conversation

[2:45:33] Trustee Busheikin: could only go so far because of quorum issues.

[2:45:35] Trustee Busheikin: And yeah, is that something that has happened,

[2:45:39] Trustee Busheikin: will happen, could happen?

[2:45:41] Voice 4: Ms. Zubinitz?

[2:45:44] Planner Zupanec: Sure, so through the chair,

[2:45:46] Planner Zupanec: the trustees can initiate a resolution

[2:45:48] Planner Zupanec: without meeting like that.

[2:45:51] Planner Zupanec: I think there was an attempt to do that,

[2:45:52] Planner Zupanec: or you can discuss it today, which is probably more appropriate since you're in a meeting.

[2:46:00] Planner Zupanec: So from a staff perspective, and this is Island Planner, not manager or director,

[2:46:06] Planner Zupanec: your ability to advocate to another agency would be politician to politician versus political to staff.

[2:46:16] Planner Zupanec: So staff processing water licenses, for example, as far as I understand, having another elected body telling them how to do their job faster or how to interpret their own policies to expedite processing of applications would be inappropriate.

[2:46:32] Planner Zupanec: appropriate but it is very appropriate for you to advocate to the minister uh for for the

[2:46:39] Planner Zupanec: flynnward that all affordable housing water license applications for example be expedited

[2:46:45] Planner Zupanec: um that's that's an advocacy piece that i understand would be would be appropriate but

[2:46:51] Planner Zupanec: singling out one particular application for staff at another ministry uh might not so that would

[2:46:59] Planner Zupanec: would just be Island Planner comment to you here

[2:47:01] Planner Zupanec: at your local trust committee on that particular matter.

[2:47:07] Planner Zupanec: But you can do however you need to do

[2:47:12] Planner Zupanec: to address this concern.

[2:47:14] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Planner Zupanets.

[2:47:17] Trustee Fast: Does that answer your question, Laura Beshaken,

[2:47:19] Trustee Fast: before you go on?

[2:47:20] Trustee Fast: I see your hand, David.

[2:47:22] Trustee Fast: Yeah,

[2:47:23] Trustee Busheikin: for now, I'm curious to hear from Trustee Critchley.

[2:47:25] Trustee Critchley: Okay, go ahead, Trustee Critchley.

[2:47:26] Trustee Critchley: yeah so i did um i did forward a request to have a resolution without meeting processed

[2:47:37] Trustee Critchley: um several weeks ago and apparently got lost in the system and then when i inquired further about

[2:47:43] Trustee Critchley: what happened to it um there was an apology but nothing happened uh subsequent to that so

[2:47:50] Trustee Critchley: i don't know what it was bring

[2:47:53] Trustee Fast: it on today bring it on

[2:47:54] Trustee Critchley: today yes so my intention was to do precisely

[2:47:58] Trustee Critchley: that and I have a motion in front of me but I just wanted to say with respect to Planner Zipanet's

[2:48:04] Trustee Critchley: comments about staff to staff or politicians to politicians I don't view this as a political

[2:48:10] Trustee Critchley: matter because and I think maybe staff should be in touch with the with that water licensing

[2:48:20] Trustee Critchley: branch to find out what their policies are because I talked to a fellow more than a year ago who's

[2:48:28] Trustee Critchley: I will look up his name. His first name, I believe, was Daryl. Might have been Belanger. But he told me specifically that when there are public interest matters that you'd like to give priority to, we, the water licensing branch, he said, we'll act on that.

[2:48:52] Trustee Critchley: that. So he was very receptive and welcoming of that information. So I don't see it as being

[2:48:59] Trustee Critchley: something out of the ordinary or something, you know, going to the minister for, but rather that

[2:49:04] Trustee Critchley: has done it at the water branch level, at least for Vancouver Island. I think this fellow was,

[2:49:11] Trustee Critchley: as I understand it and recall, he was the head of water licensing for the Vancouver Island

[2:49:18] Trustee Critchley: and region so i wasn't speaking to some lower level functionary on the matter anyway um yeah

[2:49:26] Trustee Critchley: i have a motion here and um i could uh excuse me so i'll move that the deminal local trust

[2:49:42] Trustee Critchley: committee request staff uh to prepare for signature by the chair a letter of request to the bc water

[2:49:49] Trustee Critchley: licensing branch for an expedited process of approval respecting the application of denman

[2:49:57] Trustee Critchley: housing association a copy of which is attached on the basis of community need and community benefit

[2:50:03] Trustee Critchley: okay

[2:50:07] Trustee Fast: thank you and um do staff have a copy of your motion or can you put it into the chat or

[2:50:13] Trustee Fast: something so that yes uh

[2:50:16] Trustee Critchley: it was uh well sorry uh staff generally i was dealing with uh

[2:50:21] Trustee Critchley: Planning Manager Cowher at the time.

[2:50:27] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:50:27] Trustee Fast: It's just nice to be able to see it when we're voting on it.

[2:50:30] Trustee Fast: I tried to catch it, but my scribbly notes, you know.

[2:50:33] Trustee Fast: Is there a chance you could copy that and paste it into the chat?

[2:50:40] Trustee Critchley: Probably not.

[2:50:41] Trustee Critchley: Okay.

[2:50:42] Trustee Fast: All right.

[2:50:43] Trustee Critchley: All right.

[2:50:43] Trustee Fast: We'll do it.

[2:50:45] Trustee Fast: That's fine.

[2:50:46] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:50:48] Trustee Fast: I'm

[2:50:48] Trustee Critchley: working off two different computers here.

[2:50:51] Trustee Fast: Gotcha.

[2:50:52] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:50:52] Trustee Fast: No problem.

[2:50:53] Trustee Fast: Planning Manager Cowher,

[2:50:55] Trustee Fast: did you have a suggestion or a comment i don't i heard my name and

[2:51:00] Voice 6: i thought i'd be available if i

[2:51:01] Voice 6: if i needed um i do i guess one comment is that these kinds of letters are now being managed by

[2:51:09] Voice 6: by trust area services so mike richards has been in charge of letters of this kind so we would

[2:51:15] Voice 6: assume that it would go to him okay the process it's

[2:51:20] Trustee Fast: uh also possible that we could um you could

[2:51:24] Trustee Fast: could ask the chair or executive committee

[2:51:30] Trustee Fast: to write to the minister as another level

[2:51:36] Trustee Fast: to request affordable housing applications

[2:51:39] Trustee Fast: be expedited as a public interest issue as well.

[2:51:43] Trustee Fast: But anyway, we heard your motion.

[2:51:47] Trustee Fast: Do you wanna hear it again, Trustee Boushekin?

[2:51:51] Trustee Fast: Oh, yes, and I think our minute taker

[2:51:54] Trustee Fast: doesn't have it either so

[2:51:55] Voice 14: i would need it um repeated slowly so i could capture it if possible

[2:52:02] Voice 14: okay

[2:52:03] Trustee Critchley: uh i move that deminal local trust committee request staff to prepare

[2:52:12] Trustee Critchley: for signature by the chair a letter of request to the bc water licensing branch

[2:52:22] Trustee Critchley: for an expedited process of approval

[2:52:27] Trustee Critchley: respecting the application of Denman Housing Association,

[2:52:36] Trustee Critchley: a copy of which is attached, that would be in brackets,

[2:52:42] Trustee Critchley: on the basis of community need and community benefit.

[2:52:54] Trustee Fast: Did you catch it? Oh, you're a fast typist.

[2:52:57] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you very much.

[2:52:58] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much. And I think I saw Sonia Zupanets' hand. No? Okay. And do I have a

[2:53:08] Trustee Busheikin: seconder?

[2:53:10] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, I'll second that.

[2:53:12] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you.

[2:53:13] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, and I just, I am, I mean I have mixed feelings because I'm probably behind the intent, and I, it was reassuring to hear Trustee Critchley your report from your discussion with the Flynn Road staff member, whose name is familiar to me, so he must have been at some meeting I was at or something.

[2:53:37] Trustee Busheikin: And, but I also just, yeah, it's just, it's a tough one because I also take planners and finesses input seriously. And I don't, you know, there's a multitude of, you know, little strings attaching us to that, to Flynn Road and many different, you know, it's a complex relationship with 13 different local trust areas and all kinds of things.

[2:54:03] Trustee Busheikin: and i wouldn't want to strain it um and i would hope that the staff who work on it and that it

[2:54:14] Trustee Busheikin: is going through um trust area services would find the diplomacy but i'm wondering um and this

[2:54:21] Trustee Busheikin: is really just for discussion and maybe it's just meaningly semantics instead of request which is i

[2:54:27] Trustee Busheikin: do get the coming from an elected official and you're a staff member at another agency and

[2:54:33] Trustee Busheikin: and they're requesting something of you maybe

[2:54:34] Trustee Busheikin: is a little strong, like, could it be support

[2:54:36] Trustee Busheikin: instead of request just to, again, just for diplomacy

[2:54:40] Trustee Busheikin: that we support the expediting the, you know,

[2:54:44] Trustee Busheikin: I'm sure that DHA has already requested

[2:54:50] Trustee Busheikin: that it be expedited and that we would support that

[2:54:54] Trustee Busheikin: and that might be seen to be a little less high handed.

[2:54:57] Trustee Busheikin: So I guess that's a question for the mover

[2:55:00] Trustee Busheikin: and I'm, you know, if staff has any comment

[2:55:02] Trustee Busheikin: on whether that makes any difference.

[2:55:03] Trustee Busheikin: I think the rest of you heard that.

[2:55:06] Trustee Busheikin: And I guess I'm proposing as a friend.

[2:55:11] Trustee Critchley: I'm not seeing the word request

[2:55:13] Trustee Critchley: as being an indicator of being high-handed.

[2:55:16] Trustee Critchley: But if support is a better word for you,

[2:55:22] Trustee Critchley: I don't mind that.

[2:55:26] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:55:26] Trustee Fast: So we'll take that as a friendly amendment.

[2:55:30] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:55:31] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:55:32] Trustee Fast: And because we're requesting staff,

[2:55:36] Trustee Fast: but we're asking uh the department to our staff yes but we're we're supporting the expediting of

[2:55:47] Trustee Fast: yeah okay sorry i just don't have all the words in front of me so i'm making sure i understand

[2:55:51] Trustee Fast: thank you and um any more discussion on this uh topic i think we've heard from uh planner

[2:55:57] Trustee Fast: zupanet servier no more discussion then i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:56:05] Trustee Fast: aye aye

[2:56:06] Voice 10: aye

[2:56:07] Trustee Fast: that's three thank you uh that passes and we're not at the meat of the um

[2:56:15] Trustee Fast: um of the staff report yet all the the uh other ones but that's um great to have that thank you

[2:56:24] Trustee Fast: for preparing that and uh and now you can put a check mark beside it david so good did we want

[2:56:31] Trustee Fast: to also uh suggest to executive committee that the right to the minister requesting affordable

[2:56:38] Trustee Fast: projects in general be expedited in a pub as a public interest issue or do you want to just

[2:56:44] Trustee Fast: leave it with this well

[2:56:45] Trustee Critchley: i don't think that's necessary from my conversation with this

[2:56:48] Trustee Critchley: gentleman uh that seems to

[2:56:51] Trustee Critchley: be a policy in existence very

[2:56:54] Trustee Fast: good then that's fine i'm just

[2:56:56] Trustee Fast: I just picked up on some wording

[2:56:59] Trustee Fast: and I thought if I could help

[2:57:01] Trustee Fast: as an executive committee person,

[2:57:03] Trustee Fast: I would speak to it there, but that's fine.

[2:57:05] Trustee Fast: Okay, so going back to the recommendations,

[2:57:09] Trustee Fast: maybe we wanna bring them up on the screen.

[2:57:12] Trustee Fast: I'm looking at page one of the staff report.

[2:57:20] Trustee Fast: Do we want to make some of these motions

[2:57:22] Trustee Fast: or do you have further questions for the planner?

[2:57:26] Trustee Fast: Yeah, go ahead, Laura.

[2:57:27] Trustee Fast: question yeah

[2:57:28] Trustee Busheikin: um yeah i mean there's a lot here i mean this is a very uh complex and comprehensive

[2:57:33] Trustee Busheikin: staff report it really covers a lot of ground um and i was um very happy to read it uh

[2:57:41] Trustee Busheikin: it's a really uh important foundational document for this whole project so a few questions um

[2:57:48] Trustee Busheikin: uh let me just find it i mark it all up and then i don't always know

[2:57:56] Trustee Busheikin: right okay so i just have a question i have a question about uh the um the water management

[2:58:04] Trustee Busheikin: plan so i'm on page i think it's eight of the report and nine of the package and there's seven

[2:58:11] Trustee Busheikin: items to be included in a water management plan and um my question comes out of my experience

[2:58:20] Trustee Busheikin: sitting on the Islands Trust Regional Freshwater Strategy Steering Committee.

[2:58:28] Trustee Busheikin: I don't even know if that was the real name of the group.

[2:58:30] Trustee Busheikin: But we worked with some really amazing people and experts in the field of water management

[2:58:37] Trustee Busheikin: from all various different angles.

[2:58:41] Trustee Busheikin: And one of the, and I've learned a lot, so I'm continually evolving my understanding,

[2:58:46] Trustee Busheikin: which is really very minimal still.

[2:58:48] Trustee Busheikin: One of my takeaways was that although water conservation is increasingly essential, that it be targeted.

[2:59:00] Trustee Busheikin: So in areas where it appears there's plenty of water available for a project, that it is not necessarily a good use of resources to add on a lot of water conservation elements.

[2:59:19] Trustee Busheikin: uh and and um that was really something i heard from from multiple people that we should we should

[2:59:25] Trustee Busheikin: be targeted in how we ask for these things and that's new for me i usually be kind of scattered

[2:59:29] Trustee Busheikin: shot about it like that we all have to change um so i guess that's just a question here if and

[2:59:35] Trustee Busheikin: maybe we need to wait till we get that water license but my understanding is that the uh well

[2:59:42] Trustee Busheikin: report shows there is enough water for this project without no okay so I just wanted to

[2:59:52] Trustee Busheikin: hear that because and then also at the same time it's in a an area that's found to have vulnerability

[3:00:00] Trustee Busheikin: so i guess yeah i just wanted to check and um i did look at the reports but quite honestly it was

[3:00:06] Trustee Busheikin: um it was challenging reading for me uh it's just you know to have gray water reuse as well as water

[3:00:12] Trustee Busheikin: catchment um just if all of that is necessary and is it all justified uh you know given like when i

[3:00:20] Trustee Busheikin: look at all those cisterns on the um site plan that's and maybe they'll find a better way to do

[3:00:26] Trustee Busheikin: like that's just a lot of plastic it's even just a lot of ground that cover that's covered up by

[3:00:32] Trustee Busheikin: all those cisterns so I'm just trying to work out you know is is there a point where we're

[3:00:38] Trustee Busheikin: asking things around water conservation that aren't actually in balance uh necessary or

[3:00:48] Trustee Busheikin: even effective that's a big question but I'm curious if yeah I'd like to hear from staff

[3:00:54] Trustee Busheikin: staff about that or any

[3:00:56] Trustee Fast: one of the planners if you could fill us in on what we know about the

[3:01:01] Trustee Fast: supply and uh try to answer trustee bushekin's question sure

[3:01:06] Planner Zupanec: so the first part of your question

[3:01:08] Planner Zupanec: was whether or not the water management plan requirement regarding water conservation

[3:01:14] Planner Zupanec: commitments is appropriate and you've heard perhaps that that might not be appropriate or

[3:01:19] Planner Zupanec: necessary in this particular instance the water management plan isn't prescribing anything at

[3:01:24] Planner Zupanec: At this point, what we're asking is for the applicant to create one comprehensive document,

[3:01:28] Planner Zupanec: the plan, that they therefore populate with their plan as to whether or not they are doing

[3:01:36] Planner Zupanec: any additional water conservation commitments so that it's very clear to you as the decision

[3:01:42] Planner Zupanec: makers, to staff doing the analysis and the referral, like the freshwater specialist who

[3:01:47] Planner Zupanec: would be reviewing it, and to the community at large to understand that there is a thoughtful

[3:01:52] Planner Zupanec: approach to managing water which would be sustaining up to 49 people on this site

[3:01:59] Planner Zupanec: perhaps in perpetuity so there's no prescription as to what that conservation needs to look like

[3:02:06] Planner Zupanec: but I would anticipate that their rainwater collection supplementing potable water with

[3:02:12] Planner Zupanec: rainwater collection would be articulated more clearly in this as one of their conservation

[3:02:18] Planner Zupanec: commitments whether or not they've contemplated gray water reuse those are all pieces that they

[3:02:24] Planner Zupanec: can with their consultant provide some technical detail and some basic design parameters around

[3:02:31] Planner Zupanec: the feasibility for those things to actually be incorporated into the development so at this stage

[3:02:38] Planner Zupanec: there's no intention to prescribe or require anything simply that the applicant be asked to

[3:02:44] Planner Zupanec: provide a plan that in sort of one stop document we can answer all the questions related to how

[3:02:52] Planner Zupanec: water is going to be used licensed reused stored etc without having to go through um you know

[3:03:00] Planner Zupanec: different ideas or documents submitted at different times in this application process

[3:03:05] Planner Zupanec: but that it's finally coordinated in one plan that you then have before a public hearing in

[3:03:13] Planner Zupanec: your community has before a public hearing to satisfy whether or not this development can be

[3:03:20] Planner Zupanec: supported based on the information we have so there's no prescriptions requested at this time

[3:03:26] Planner Zupanec: thank

[3:03:27] Trustee Fast: you thanks so it would be in what we're asked what we're we would if we move this motion

[3:03:34] Trustee Fast: see here on page two it would be that we get a plan but what's in the plan is up to them

[3:03:40] Trustee Fast: And ideally, these elements,

[3:03:44] Planner Zupanec: which appear to be very standard elements of a water management plan, that these are included.

[3:03:51] Planner Zupanec: And you haven't had an application that's necessarily gone through this exhaustive list of requirements.

[3:03:59] Planner Zupanec: So we are evolving the freshwater sustainability strategy for the northern region as a key informative piece to staff's recommendation that you require this level of detail and information from anybody who's proposing any increase of density in any location so that everybody understands what's being asked and how this water would be used.

[3:04:25] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:04:27] Trustee Fast: Okay, thanks.

[3:04:27] Trustee Fast: and uh uh trustee critchley why don't you take a turn asking a question go ahead

[3:04:33] Trustee Fast: sure

[3:04:35] Trustee Critchley: thank you uh first of all i'd like to thank staff for an extraordinary uh detailed and uh

[3:04:45] Trustee Critchley: considered staff report here um i think it's just just a terrific job uh i also took the time to

[3:04:54] Trustee Critchley: read in detail the various professional reports that were referred to. And I have to say, I think

[3:05:02] Trustee Critchley: it's only fair to say at the outset here what my concerns are, my big concern. Looking at water

[3:05:08] Trustee Critchley: issue, I see, yeah, there's not sufficient water from the well. Roughly on a sustainable basis,

[3:05:16] Trustee Critchley: it would put out maybe 9,000 liters a day, round figures. And what is needed is around 12,000

[3:05:24] Trustee Critchley: liters a day round figures. Now, that 12,000 liters could be reduced down by water management,

[3:05:30] Trustee Critchley: water conservation type practices. So you can pull that number down. You can also supplement

[3:05:38] Trustee Critchley: the amount of water with harvested rainwater. So I'm not so troubled by the prospects of

[3:05:43] Trustee Critchley: being able to fix the water issues. What I am concerned about is this high density of number of

[3:05:52] Trustee Critchley: of residences in an already fairly highly populated area for Denman. It is our sort of

[3:06:03] Trustee Critchley: village area. And there are, relatively speaking, smaller lots around it, at least to the east and

[3:06:11] Trustee Critchley: downslope of it. And I think that's important, downslope. I'm concerned about sewage disposal

[3:06:19] Trustee Critchley: in particular. One thing that I found strange about this, reading these reports, is that

[3:06:28] Trustee Critchley: according to the hydrological report, it is estimated that the source of water for this

[3:06:37] Trustee Critchley: well, which is rather productive as Denman Wells go, is from the northeast. It has sort of a gray

[3:06:48] Trustee Critchley: area showing where the ostensible flow of water is uh to the well and then um the sewage disposal

[3:06:59] Trustee Critchley: fields are located by the looks of it very proximate to that if not right over the area

[3:07:06] Trustee Critchley: where the water flows now you know maybe that's not a problem uh you know engineers can can do

[3:07:12] Trustee Critchley: anything but you know just as from a common sense kind of point of view it's like really

[3:07:19] Trustee Critchley: plus i also seized upon a thing in the hydrological report that says

[3:07:24] Trustee Critchley: yeah the water recharge of the aquifer is in part from the sewage fields and i guess when i think of

[3:07:36] Trustee Critchley: it yeah it's it doesn't all evaporate into the air so that happens um but you know it caused me

[3:07:46] Trustee Critchley: to think even more acutely about uh how are we going to dispose of sewage of 49 people

[3:07:54] Trustee Critchley: uh we're going to be pumping through some 12 000 liters possibly less per day uh into fields which

[3:08:05] Trustee Critchley: which then have to go down into the water, into the soil.

[3:08:09] Trustee Critchley: And it was mentioned what the soil conditions were.

[3:08:12] Trustee Critchley: So that's going to travel.

[3:08:14] Trustee Critchley: It's going to be into the aquifer.

[3:08:17] Trustee Critchley: I know there's people talking about, yes,

[3:08:19] Trustee Critchley: you can build a septic disposal system on a parking lot and all this kind of

[3:08:24] Trustee Critchley: thing. Well, I'd be better.

[3:08:25] Trustee Critchley: I'd feel better with it being on a parking lot because that's at least an

[3:08:28] Trustee Critchley: impermeable surface.

[3:08:29] Trustee Critchley: But I'm wondering then from a long rambling statement here, just by way of predicate towards a question for staff about experience in the trust area, or even elsewhere for that matter, with septic systems of this sort, these type one septic systems in an area that is using wells and in an area that has a fair density of other

[3:09:00] Trustee Critchley: the residences around it are there any such projects that you're aware of or can tell us

[3:09:05] Trustee Critchley: about what the experience has been um

[3:09:08] Trustee Fast: thank you david christian for coming to the question i think

[3:09:12] Trustee Fast: you'll find some of the septic beds have been moved but anyway um over to you planners no no

[3:09:17] Trustee Critchley: sorry they were only moved slightly oh okay gotcha in the same corner thank you okay put into a worse

[3:09:26] Trustee Critchley: first position I

[3:09:27] Trustee Fast: hear your concerns uh planner Zupanets I don't

[3:09:34] Planner Zupanec: have any examples of any other

[3:09:38] Planner Zupanec: projects every site is different in this case so I can't draw on any parallel examples for you

[3:09:43] Planner Zupanec: because we do rely on the engineers report or the registered on-site wastewater practitioners

[3:09:50] Planner Zupanec: sign off that what they're proposing that the applicant's plans can be supported and that's

[3:09:56] Planner Zupanec: that's what you've received is the preliminary sort of analysis to indicate that despite the

[3:10:04] Planner Zupanec: configuration and the site constraints of a one hectare parcel with a well and a pond and surface

[3:10:11] Planner Zupanec: water that they feel that they could design a system and install a system that would meet the

[3:10:15] Planner Zupanec: provincial requirements thank

[3:10:20] Trustee Fast: you and uh so it's early days i guess and but it that's what the

[3:10:26] Trustee Fast: professionals tell us um uh planner or trustee bushekin do you have a question or do you want

[3:10:34] Trustee Fast: do should we go should we stay on this and then make the motion i have

[3:10:39] Trustee Busheikin: a few more questions just

[3:10:41] Trustee Busheikin: overall before getting to motions so should i continue please yeah let's take turns go ahead

[3:10:50] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. So this is a general question. I mean, it sort of came up when I was looking at issues and opportunities on page eight of the package. But overall, trying to learn from experience. And maybe it's a little early to get into that level of detail.

[3:11:10] Trustee Busheikin: but we um you know i'm wondering about um impacts on neighboring properties um there's uh you know

[3:11:18] Trustee Busheikin: the probably to be subdivided lot uh on the i'm not good but on the west side and then um

[3:11:27] Trustee Busheikin: the lot on the other side i think doesn't have anything on it right now but um you know i'm just

[3:11:36] Trustee Busheikin: I wouldn't like to lose what we just learned from the DCLTA project about having adequate buffering or fencing or berming around neighboring properties.

[3:11:48] Trustee Busheikin: And I'll just leave that there.

[3:11:50] Trustee Busheikin: I imagine, Sonia, that you're well aware of that, but that should come in at some point.

[3:11:56] Trustee Busheikin: And I know the applicant is here.

[3:11:57] Trustee Busheikin: um but another um like another neighbor neighborhood impact is the community halls

[3:12:09] Trustee Busheikin: directly across the street the community hall is typically where there are dances and concerts and

[3:12:14] Trustee Busheikin: weddings and performances that go late into the night uh sometimes are loud uh sometimes have

[3:12:23] Trustee Busheikin: have alcohol and people hanging around outside being rather loud and having fun

[3:12:30] Trustee Busheikin: in a late night kind of way. And, you know, I'm like, I can anticipate conflict. And I think that

[3:12:37] Trustee Busheikin: the community hall folks, the people, the board that run it and the people who use it, which is

[3:12:45] Trustee Busheikin: almost all of us to some degree, you know, is there something that can be put into place to

[3:12:52] Trustee Busheikin: somehow avoid a situation where the residents of this assuming it all happens or the board of the

[3:12:58] Trustee Busheikin: housing ends up going to and making noise complaints and saying you know community hall

[3:13:04] Trustee Busheikin: you have to have a curfew like we have people living here we have families living here um

[3:13:10] Trustee Busheikin: and you know i think yeah i don't quite i think you know what i'm getting at i don't know what

[3:13:15] Trustee Busheikin: can be done about it and i don't really think having the whole thing hugely fenced off with you

[3:13:21] Trustee Busheikin: noise proof fencing would be very nice it would be then like a compound

[3:13:26] Trustee Busheikin: um so i don't quite know what to do about that but i do see that as potentially

[3:13:34] Trustee Busheikin: uh causing some some concern in the community um and then you know there's another hall across

[3:13:39] Trustee Busheikin: the other street which tends not to be used as often for late night or loud events um

[3:13:46] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, so those are just two things I wanted to put out there and I'm curious if there's any comments, Planner Zupaness, if you can enlighten me as to how that can be dealt with.

[3:13:56] Voice 4: Planner Zupaness?

[3:13:57] Voice 4: Sure. So just

[3:13:59] Planner Zupanec: really briefly, there's only so much you can do within the zoning regulations to inform residential construction in this case, when really what you're asking about is the compatibility of this residential use in a neighborhood that already has an established institutional or community resource capacity, which is perhaps seasonal.

[3:14:22] Planner Zupanec: I'm not sure what the frequency of the of the events that you're describing are but there might

[3:14:27] Planner Zupanec: be room for improvement in the compatibility of the uses and it's not up to this applicant to

[3:14:31] Planner Zupanec: solve those problems necessarily so we will to the extent that we can present you with draft bylaws

[3:14:37] Planner Zupanec: that might mitigate some of those issues that we're already foreseeing screening landscaping

[3:14:44] Planner Zupanec: those types of things might be a requirement of this particular development but there also might

[3:14:50] Planner Zupanec: might be room for improvement and how you regulate the other uses in what is now going to be a

[3:14:55] Planner Zupanec: residential neighborhood it is not strictly commercial if these bylaws are advanced and

[3:15:01] Planner Zupanec: eventually adopted you're creating a very very dense residential pocket in the middle of a

[3:15:08] Planner Zupanec: commercial zone and that's exactly why zoning was created was to try to find some balance

[3:15:13] Planner Zupanec: between adjacent uses and some compatibility to achieve you know whatever standards and community

[3:15:23] Planner Zupanec: priorities you have so we will do our best to bring forward some options but ultimately there

[3:15:29] Planner Zupanec: might be a need to revisit you know how those other adjacent uses operate moving forward if

[3:15:38] Planner Zupanec: if residential uses are encouraged or promoted in this in this particular location so I guess

[3:15:47] Planner Zupanec: you know we'll bring that back and you can discuss that particular element further

[3:15:52] Planner Zupanec: but we're aware that anything that we draft really needs to be cognizant of the adjacent

[3:15:59] Planner Zupanec: residential uses which are primarily single family homes on single parcels of land

[3:16:03] Planner Zupanec: And, you know, who would now be adjacent to multifamily uses, which is very different than living next to a family of eight versus, you know, up to 49 people.

[3:16:13] Planner Zupanec: So, yeah, we will incorporate that into the drafts.

[3:16:20] Trustee Fast: If I can just pop in for a second to say, living through COVID and driving into North Vancouver and other urban areas,

[3:16:30] Trustee Fast: as all the cafes have come out onto the onto the street and the people in the balconies are

[3:16:35] Trustee Fast: all above them and it's a uh new ways of living and uh people seem to like it but that doesn't

[3:16:43] Trustee Fast: mean it'll be right for denman i don't i probably shouldn't even have said that okay and um it's

[3:16:49] Trustee Fast: just uh uh sometimes people like it anyway um uh trustee critchley do you have another one

[3:16:59] Trustee Fast: I

[3:17:02] Trustee Critchley: just wanted to observe the high density of this and say that I would like to see this move forward, at least to the first phase, so that we can start getting community input on it.

[3:17:20] Trustee Critchley: But I'm anticipating that there could be some considerable complaint by the neighborhood there of putting 49 people in one spot, which is appurtenant to other less dense residential uses.

[3:17:40] Trustee Critchley: So I don't know if the developer is able to, if this project works on a lower scale or if it has to be 20 units to make it economically viable and so forth.

[3:17:53] Trustee Critchley: But that's a consideration from the outset. I think just an observation.

[3:18:00] Trustee Fast: Thank you. And I think we'll go to the applicants once we've finished with questions for the planner.

[3:18:06] Trustee Fast: planner, we should give them a chance to speak. Do are there more questions for the planet? Was

[3:18:13] Trustee Fast: that a question? David, did you want to hear from the planner?

[3:18:17] Trustee Critchley: You know, I wouldn't be interested

[3:18:18] Trustee Critchley: to know if, if our planner is aware of similar developments like this with, you know, being

[3:18:29] Trustee Critchley: being slotted into a less dense area

[3:18:32] Trustee Critchley: and the problems that may or may not flow from that

[3:18:37] Trustee Critchley: from a planning perspective?

[3:18:39] Trustee Critchley: I mean, from a planning perspective,

[3:18:41] Trustee Critchley: is this a wise thing to be contemplating?

[3:18:47] Trustee Critchley: Go ahead.

[3:18:49] Planner Zupanec: So the key purpose of this particular application

[3:18:52] Planner Zupanec: is to address a severe housing shortage in your community,

[3:18:58] Planner Zupanec: health and safety issues, affordability, first and foremost.

[3:19:02] Planner Zupanec: most and the that trumps the dhas um you know that's the number one consideration for this

[3:19:11] Planner Zupanec: application is to fill a gap in your community's diversity of housing so its ability to blend in

[3:19:18] Planner Zupanec: seamlessly with the rural surroundings and and your existing pattern of settlement is likely

[3:19:25] Planner Zupanec: not going to be perfect. And so this is what I understand to be the best case scenario for

[3:19:33] Planner Zupanec: Denman in terms of achieving your housing objectives in an area that's already quite

[3:19:40] Planner Zupanec: heavily developed and disturbed in terms of ecological diversity. There isn't much to work

[3:19:46] Planner Zupanec: with on this location. So there are some significant trade-offs that your community

[3:19:52] Planner Zupanec: is going to be asked to consider and some of them might be you know does this really fit the

[3:19:58] Planner Zupanec: role character of Denman Island well maybe not but does this address a critical housing shortage

[3:20:02] Planner Zupanec: and a significant imbalance that your community has had for generations yes it sure does and so

[3:20:09] Planner Zupanec: that's a question that you're you and the community have to sort out once we get to the

[3:20:14] Planner Zupanec: consultation stage at this point this units this number of units is being requested because that

[3:20:20] Planner Zupanec: that is seen to be a viable project

[3:20:22] Planner Zupanec: for external funding agencies to invest in.

[3:20:25] Planner Zupanec: It is the maximum number, it is not a minimum.

[3:20:29] Planner Zupanec: So there might be a supportive funding for less units,

[3:20:34] Planner Zupanec: but for now they have to put,

[3:20:36] Planner Zupanec: the applicant has to put their best foot forward

[3:20:39] Planner Zupanec: in suggesting at the maximum highest density,

[3:20:42] Planner Zupanec: this is what we could do with the reality

[3:20:45] Planner Zupanec: that they might only get funding for 12.

[3:20:48] Planner Zupanec: and

[3:20:49] Voice 1: they may never be able

[3:20:50] Planner Zupanec: to achieve the maximum number but we have to keep that in mind as this

[3:20:55] Planner Zupanec: analysis proceeds is this is the maximum development in this particular location

[3:21:01] Planner Zupanec: to address what has been identified as a significant problem in your community

[3:21:06] Planner Zupanec: mirrored by most of the islands who have residential populations and this is one

[3:21:12] Planner Zupanec: application to try and address that issue. So we will do the best we can to draft bylaws that

[3:21:21] Planner Zupanec: contemplate good community planning for higher non-rural, this is very urban density in a rural

[3:21:29] Planner Zupanec: community, but balancing that with the fact that the whole purpose of this is to house people who

[3:21:37] Planner Zupanec: are already not living in in healthy housing options so we'll do the best we can with draft

[3:21:44] Planner Zupanec: bylaws to advance those discussions and considerations and that's part of the reason we

[3:21:50] Planner Zupanec: we try to move carefully uh with this because it's hard to reverse once you've approved something

[3:21:56] Planner Zupanec: like this so we want to

[3:21:58] Planner Zupanec: do it well thank

[3:22:01] Trustee Fast: you very much planner zupanis does that answer your question

[3:22:04] Trustee Fast: trustee Critchley for now yeah

[3:22:08] Trustee Critchley: I think it does I don't want to signal that I'm you know completely

[3:22:11] Trustee Critchley: against this by no means but uh you know I'm just kind of speaking my mind and and what is

[3:22:18] Trustee Critchley: what I anticipate uh I mean there are some some very fortuitous good things here and it being

[3:22:24] Trustee Critchley: you know next to the works yard for example I mean that might be a good thing

[3:22:29] Trustee Critchley: you don't have a really an immediate residential neighbor there it is it is in the village area so

[3:22:37] Trustee Critchley: it's proximate to the store you can walk to the ferry there's a lot of good things for this and

[3:22:44] Trustee Critchley: I'm you know I'm not unmindful of those as well so yeah thank you very much thank

[3:22:49] Trustee Fast: you and trustee

[3:22:51] Voice 15: be shaken your mic is off there we go okay

[3:23:03] Trustee Busheikin: yes and I was just removing where I'm sitting because

[3:23:05] Trustee Busheikin: because of what would you say,

[3:23:08] Trustee Busheikin: competing needs for the space here,

[3:23:10] Trustee Busheikin: which is sort of symbolic of the discussion.

[3:23:16] Trustee Busheikin: So my regular office is just too hot right now.

[3:23:19] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm working in different spaces

[3:23:20] Trustee Busheikin: and there's also a family here.

[3:23:22] Trustee Busheikin: So in that, yeah, I think this conversation,

[3:23:25] Trustee Busheikin: I just wanna say is in a way that the kernel

[3:23:29] Trustee Busheikin: of what it is to be a trustee

[3:23:30] Trustee Busheikin: and to be making difficult decisions

[3:23:32] Trustee Busheikin: where we're looking at on the one hand this

[3:23:34] Trustee Busheikin: and on the other hand that um and i am um yeah i appreciate the conversation and these things are

[3:23:43] Trustee Busheikin: all on my mind as well as we uh we do have a critical housing shortage and a need for

[3:23:49] Trustee Busheikin: i can't remember the number in the denman housing needs assessment but i kind of 80 120 it was

[3:23:58] Trustee Busheikin: somewhere up there of need for housing so um and at the same time there it's it's not a perfect

[3:24:06] Trustee Busheikin: fit um uh i have like about two more questions okay um so and this kind of fits in maybe to the

[3:24:17] Trustee Busheikin: discussion i'm looking on page seven of the package six of the report uh at the ocp um

[3:24:27] Trustee Busheikin: official community plan um guiding objective that's quoted here that's um in conflict somewhat

[3:24:36] Trustee Busheikin: somewhat with this project, which is the guiding objective to retain the village area as the

[3:24:43] Trustee Busheikin: commercial and cultural heart of the island.

[3:24:46] Trustee Busheikin: And talks about pathways of village square open spaces.

[3:24:49] Trustee Busheikin: And I'm not against the suggestion here to simply then remove the this property if it

[3:24:58] Trustee Busheikin: all goes ahead.

[3:25:00] Trustee Busheikin: From the commercial designation, I mean, that's tidy, and makes sense because it would no

[3:25:06] Trustee Busheikin: longer be commercial uh however um at the same time would it make more sense to actually amend

[3:25:15] Trustee Busheikin: the guiding objective for commercial given that we've had quite a lot of feedback um in that

[3:25:20] Trustee Busheikin: downtown charette uh process we did a few years ago we still have the report somewhere on our

[3:25:26] Trustee Busheikin: website I think uh feedback that that um housing within the village area would be um desirable

[3:25:35] Trustee Busheikin: and um there is a little bit of housing there is a suite in the general store there's what I would

[3:25:42] Trustee Busheikin: call the dawn candy home and there's a suite above the art center so there is already housing there

[3:25:51] Trustee Busheikin: So given that housing is already included, yeah, I guess what I'm getting at is if housing is already in the commercial designation, is it a problem to just leave this as a commercial designation with the clarity that housing can be part of that designation?

[3:26:16] Trustee Fast: Can residential be part of a commercial designation?

[3:26:24] Planner Zupanec: Sure. We were contemplating presenting you with some policy and designations that reflected the multi-family rental housing option because this is a very specific application.

[3:26:38] Planner Zupanec: But we can give that some more thought and come up with some options for you to consider that provide some flexibility.

[3:26:44] Planner Zupanec: I'm not sure off the top of my head right now what some of the pros and cons might be, but we can do that analysis and provide you with some options for sure.

[3:26:54] Planner Zupanec: The designation is important to some extent because the application is clearly residential and it's multifamily affordable residential and rental housing to boot.

[3:27:07] Planner Zupanec: So it hits a bunch of targets that we want that designation to reflect that accurately and not muddy the waters by being ambiguous.

[3:27:14] Planner Zupanec: So the applicant's gone to Denman Works to receive a letter of support specifically saying that they're comfortable with that entire one hectare piece being removed from the commercial options for the future of Denman Island.

[3:27:29] Planner Zupanec: and and that's part of this trade-off that you're discussing is is this site suitable for this use

[3:27:36] Planner Zupanec: in this location knowing that there's no multi purpose zoning being articulated here with mixed

[3:27:44] Planner Zupanec: use commercial residential it is strictly residential and if everyone's comfortable

[3:27:49] Planner Zupanec: with that your plan should reflect that accordingly but we can we can look at some

[3:27:56] Planner Zupanec: options for sure and bring that forward too we

[3:28:02] Trustee Busheikin: can't hear you laura um i wanted to say thank

[3:28:06] Trustee Busheikin: you and i'm also not sure about the pros and cons i'm just remembering we did that planning project

[3:28:11] Trustee Busheikin: with a charrette and then it's just you know sitting there and we've never

[3:28:13] Voice 1: acted on it

[3:28:15] Trustee Busheikin: and um and that's kind of you know it's nice to be able to follow through on what we heard

[3:28:22] Trustee Busheikin: pretty unanimously there um okay and then my very last question is just um again maybe it's not the

[3:28:30] Trustee Busheikin: level of detail for this stage uh is uh uh i think it would be great to have a electric car charging

[3:28:37] Trustee Busheikin: station you know i was looking at the um uh policy statement um requirements there's that

[3:28:44] Trustee Busheikin: chart and uh you know thinking of climate change and renewable energy and lowering emissions and

[3:28:52] Trustee Busheikin: And there is a charging station across the street at the community hall.

[3:28:55] Trustee Busheikin: But I've been told anecdotally that it's competitive to get in there.

[3:28:59] Trustee Busheikin: So with the 15 households here and the 49 people or 20 households, an electric charging station would seem like a really great use.

[3:29:10] Trustee Busheikin: So I'll just put that out there. I don't think we need to do anything about it at this point.

[3:29:16] Trustee Fast: And maybe electric bikes as well.

[3:29:18] Trustee Fast: Okay, I'm going to, before we get to the motions, I do want to give the applicant a chance to speak. They've been listening to the concerns of trustees and questions and to the conversation, I guess.

[3:29:33] Trustee Fast: and i'm wondering um uh simon are you uh speaking for the project today as the applicant and if so

[3:29:41] Trustee Fast: if you yeah thank you um i can see that's happening back there

[3:29:46] Trustee Fast: microphone and simon is with us hello simon go ahead and take five minutes and and uh please um

[3:29:53] Trustee Fast: uh take a few minutes to inform us yeah

[3:29:57] Voice 8: there are there are a lot there are lots of subjects

[3:30:00] Voice 8: that I've been listening to you talking about.

[3:30:01] Voice 8: I felt an urge to jump in and clarify.

[3:30:09] Voice 8: To David's point about the source of the well water

[3:30:15] Voice 8: and versus the septic field,

[3:30:17] Voice 8: I do believe that the direction indicated

[3:30:20] Voice 8: in the hydro geologists report showed that in fact,

[3:30:25] Voice 8: fact, it is well north of the new location for the septic field. And a second quick point

[3:30:34] Voice 8: is that the wastewater engineer has specifically said that the effluent attenuates, I think

[3:30:47] Voice 8: is the word within a few meters of leaving the septic field so um in in layman's terms

[3:30:55] Voice 8: the possibility of effluent going anywhere near uh the pond in in a in a uh and in a contaminant

[3:31:04] Voice 8: contaminating form is um is simply not uh borne out by the uh the characteristics of the soil

[3:31:13] Voice 8: and therefore the the um the flow and the distance and and the whole equation that goes into that

[3:31:19] Voice 8: assessment anyhow that's that's just a quick point on on the on those two things and and i guess on

[3:31:25] Voice 8: on a general comment i would say that you know to to the planner's point that denman is has been

[3:31:33] Voice 8: shown to be needed in need of up to 80 80 units of affordable housing and we're only proposing 20

[3:31:42] Voice 8: So you could say that if you believe the report, which is the trust's own housing needs report, we are in fact, even in this optimum situation or maximum situation, we're only providing a quarter of the housing that they say Denman needs to be affordable rental.

[3:32:04] Voice 8: um and uh as for location uh it's clearly my opinion that the pros outweigh the cons that

[3:32:15] Voice 8: uh you don't have anywhere else in um that we know of anyhow that is 10 minutes from the ferry down

[3:32:22] Voice 8: those new steps at the end of kirk road um you know literally a stone's flow throw from the

[3:32:29] Voice 8: general store and right across the road from the school it's it's just about as ideal as it could

[3:32:34] Voice 8: be as a location and um you know it ticks all the boxes as far as uh uh you know people potentially

[3:32:42] Voice 8: not even requiring cars to um to to to to move around so anyhow that's my two cents worth as far

[3:32:50] Voice 8: as the um as far as some of the points that were raised earlier and of course i'm very happy to um

[3:32:56] Voice 8: to engage with uh uh with anybody on on on the subjects that were raised but i do have three

[3:33:04] Voice 8: points that I had actually written out to take a couple of minutes, if I may, Madam Chairman.

[3:33:11] Voice 8: I'd like to take this opportunity to actually thank the Regional Planning Manager, Heather

[3:33:17] Voice 8: Cower, and our Island Planner, Sonia Zupanek, for working with me and arriving at a timeline

[3:33:23] Voice 8: for approval of our application that potentially meets what we've been advised may be the next

[3:33:30] Voice 8: Community Housing Fund call by BC Housing, that being June of 2022, June next year that is.

[3:33:38] Voice 8: And I'd like to quote the regional planning manager who said by email, quote,

[3:33:43] Voice 8: this, that's the timeline, does reflect what we talked about as a possibility,

[3:33:48] Voice 8: as a best case scenario, considering LTC meetings, staff capacity, and average ministry review times

[3:33:55] Voice 8: for OCP bylaws.

[3:33:58] Voice 8: She goes on to say, of course, it will all be subject

[3:34:00] Voice 8: to LCC decisions and comments that we receive,

[3:34:06] Voice 8: which leads me to a second point.

[3:34:08] Voice 8: In light of this, I would therefore request

[3:34:11] Voice 8: that trustees use their discretion where possible

[3:34:15] Voice 8: to move this application forward expeditiously

[3:34:19] Voice 8: so that this community project may be in,

[3:34:21] Voice 8: quote, shovel-ready, unquote, state when we apply for funding

[3:34:26] Voice 8: in what is a very competitive climate.

[3:34:32] Voice 8: And I'd like to really underline that.

[3:34:36] Voice 8: As we've heard, there were 3,000 units applied for

[3:34:39] Voice 8: in the last funding, 500 were funded.

[3:34:43] Voice 8: And we really believe that we cannot give BC Housing

[3:34:49] Voice 8: any possible opening or excuse or reason to not fund us.

[3:34:54] Voice 8: And that includes being absolutely ready

[3:34:56] Voice 8: to to start moving soil and um and and and as they say being shoveled ready um for our part this is

[3:35:06] Voice 8: my last point for our part we've completed most of the reports and assessments needed to support

[3:35:12] Voice 8: this application the preliminary staff report which you've just been hearing highlights some

[3:35:18] Voice 8: more work on on the water aspect that's needed but we can easily accomplish this within the timeline

[3:35:25] Voice 8: line. In fact, we've already initiated this with the engineering company in Victoria who have

[3:35:31] Voice 8: already submitted a first draft of a water plan. And there are five or six points that are in the

[3:35:38] Voice 8: preliminary staff report as recommended that we add to that water plan. So when you get the water

[3:35:45] Voice 8: plan, which I suspect will be in the next two to three weeks, I think you'll find it very

[3:35:52] Voice 8: very comprehensive. However, with regard to our water license and minding the ministry's stated

[3:35:59] Voice 8: lead time, it may be most helpful if we could submit it as late as possible in the application

[3:36:05] Voice 8: process, perhaps even after the public hearing, if that is possible, and perhaps prior to,

[3:36:12] Voice 8: but as a condition of a fourth reading of the bylaws. Anyhow, thank you very much for your time,

[3:36:18] Voice 8: and i'm pleased to answer any questions you may have thank

[3:36:23] Trustee Fast: you very much simon and um uh anybody

[3:36:26] Trustee Fast: got questions for mr palmer trustees i had a quick question just about that very last point

[3:36:34] Trustee Fast: um what's the advantage in uh waiting until later until you apply for the water license

[3:36:40] Trustee Fast: i'm

[3:36:42] Voice 8: sorry say that again maybe

[3:36:44] Trustee Fast: i misheard but what would be the advantage of waiting until a late

[3:36:49] Trustee Fast: point in the process to apply to for or to have your

[3:36:53] Voice 8: water license sure sure so

[3:36:56] Voice 8: just so that it does not delay the public hearing ah

[3:37:01] Voice 15: thank you okay and all

[3:37:05] Trustee Fast: right any other questions for the applicant okay thank you that took a

[3:37:10] Trustee Fast: little bit more than five minutes but that's because I asked a question and

[3:37:13] Trustee Fast: thank you very much mr. Palmer then I'd like trustees if we could turn our mind

[3:37:18] Trustee Fast: to the um uh to the motions or do we want to have some more discussion um i'm looking at page uh

[3:37:28] Trustee Fast: page one of the staff report with the recommendations beginning yeah i'm prepared

[3:37:34] Trustee Critchley: to make a motion oh please please go ahead okay i'll move the demin on local trust committee

[3:37:40] Trustee Critchley: request staff to prepare a draft bylaw to amend the denman island official community plan to

[3:37:45] Trustee Critchley: 2008 to enable application DERZ 2021.1 Denman Housing Association thank

[3:37:55] Trustee Fast: you and do I have a

[3:37:56] Trustee Fast: seconder thank you Laura and um discussion no no

[3:38:04] Trustee Fast: okay then I'll call the question all those in

[3:38:07] Trustee Fast: favor aye aye

[3:38:10] Voice 10: that's

[3:38:11] Trustee Fast: three of us thank you very much three hands went up passes unanimously

[3:38:15] Trustee Fast: unanimously. And who'd like to do the next one?

[3:38:17] Trustee Busheikin: I'll go ahead. Go ahead. I move that the Denman

[3:38:21] Trustee Busheikin: Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a draft bylaw to amend Denman Island

[3:38:26] Trustee Busheikin: Land Use Bylaw 2008 to enable application DERZ 2021.1 Denman Housing Association. Thank you.

[3:38:36] Trustee Fast: Do I have a seconder? Thank you. And then discussion? Hearing none, I'll call the question.

[3:38:44] Trustee Fast: all those in favor aye aye aye one two three oh that passes unanimously thank you and uh who'd

[3:38:53] Trustee Fast: like to do the next one sure

[3:38:56] Trustee Critchley: i'll move the demin on local trust committee requests the applicant

[3:38:59] Trustee Critchley: for derz 2021.1 demin housing association to submit the following to the local trust committee

[3:39:06] Trustee Critchley: prior to a public hearing being considered or scheduled a confirmation from a qualified

[3:39:13] Trustee Critchley: professional, let the receiver parcels PID 000-393-941 and PID 006-660-495 have adequate

[3:39:26] Trustee Critchley: conditions to support community sewage treatment or other approved systems compliant with the BC

[3:39:32] Trustee Critchley: Sewerage System Regulation under the Health Act for the proposed increase in density.

[3:39:38] Trustee Critchley: B, a copy of the provincial water license intended to supply water to the 20 units of affordable rental housing.

[3:39:47] Trustee Critchley: C, a water management plan based on an approved provincial water license and expanding on the findings of the May 2021 hydrogeological assessment for 1151 Kirk Road to address

[3:40:03] Trustee Critchley: Address 1. Peak and expected water demand calculations, 2. Water conservation commitments to exceed BC building code requirements, 3. Minimum on-site storage capacity for potable, non-potable rainwater and fire suppression, and types of storage being considered.

[3:40:25] Trustee Critchley: Considered for emergency considerations should temporary should temporary demand be greater than design storage or well capacity five proposed plan for irrigation and gray water use reuse six proposed groundwater monitoring and reporting and seven proposed stormwater management.

[3:40:50] Trustee Critchley: Thank

[3:40:51] Trustee Fast: you. And do I have a seconder.

[3:40:53] Trustee Fast: um

[3:40:56] Trustee Busheikin: i don't know i mean i'm i don't really know the process here because i'm not completely sure

[3:41:03] Trustee Busheikin: about seconding this and it does have to do with the water license and the timing of the water

[3:41:08] Trustee Busheikin: license and um like i'm wondering if we're bettering our discretion and if down the road

[3:41:14] Trustee Busheikin: things are in place we'll have heard from our freshwater specialists we'll have seen

[3:41:19] Trustee Busheikin: a water management plan and we will be you know waiting for the water license and we might say

[3:41:26] Trustee Busheikin: well no we think everything is in place to go to public hearing like i don't want to

[3:41:30] Trustee Busheikin: better our discretion um and pre-decide that um especially as we haven't even heard from

[3:41:38] Trustee Busheikin: the freshwater specialist and uh so i'm not really um keen to second this i think what

[3:41:49] Trustee Busheikin: What I'd like to do is maybe excise out B and C and have those as another motion that would, instead of talking about prior to public hearing, be prior to adoption.

[3:42:05] Trustee Busheikin: We could still later decide, no, we're not ready for a public hearing because we don't have those, but we haven't decided that today.

[3:42:13] Trustee Busheikin: So that's why I'm not seconding it right now.

[3:42:19] Trustee Fast: I'm going to second it for discussion.

[3:42:21] Trustee Fast: and um uh and so that we can um know what we're discussing and uh um so that number three is

[3:42:32] Trustee Fast: seconded and um i wonder if we might uh ask the planner to discuss a little bit about since we've

[3:42:41] Trustee Fast: just heard from the applicant um i think she told us about c but i didn't hear a lot of discussion

[3:42:47] Trustee Fast: maybe about B however I think we just had the experience where they um uh anyway Planner

[3:42:55] Trustee Fast: Zupanets could you uh speak to the Trustee Bouchakin's point about do we need to have B and C

[3:43:02] Trustee Fast: in here at this time or what are the pros and cons?

[3:43:05] Planner Zupanec: Sure so the staff recommendation is that

[3:43:08] Planner Zupanec: you're managing the expectations of the community and providing direction to the applicant at this

[3:43:15] Planner Zupanec: stage of how this application is going to proceed to a public hearing and what length and depth of

[3:43:22] Planner Zupanec: information is going to be provided so that people can prepare for the public hearing so it's it's an

[3:43:30] Planner Zupanec: explicit recommendation stipulating a timeline to manage everybody's expectations of when we can

[3:43:38] Planner Zupanec: expect confirmation that a water license has been approved that the water management plan has been

[3:43:44] Planner Zupanec: drafted and prepared in concurrence with an approved water license and that everybody has

[3:43:51] Planner Zupanec: the ability to speak to that at the public hearing that's why it's drafted the way it is

[3:43:57] Planner Zupanec: if you decide that you are comfortable deferring that to bylaw adoption stage that's an alternative

[3:44:05] Planner Zupanec: that you can suggest i don't recommend it but that's your completely your decision

[3:44:12] Planner Zupanec: decision to to specify that that you would be comfortable with that level of information

[3:44:19] Planner Zupanec: prior to consideration of final adoption and then that spells to the to the applicant and to the

[3:44:25] Planner Zupanec: community that there's a lot more flexibility but that there will be a point in time perhaps

[3:44:30] Planner Zupanec: where that information won't be available to the public and you can reconsider this resolution if

[3:44:36] Planner Zupanec: If it was draft, if it was passed as written, you can always amend that decision once you

[3:44:42] Planner Zupanec: get to a public hearing stage to say that you've rescinded that direction, that the

[3:44:48] Planner Zupanec: information be provided prior to a public hearing, and that you're comfortable waiting.

[3:44:52] Planner Zupanec: Or you could do it the way Trustee Bishakin suggested, which is at this point in time

[3:44:56] Planner Zupanec: actually give a much more generous timeline that excludes public input, perhaps, into

[3:45:02] Planner Zupanec: into a significant element of the development,

[3:45:05] Planner Zupanec: which is the provision of water.

[3:45:09] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[3:45:11] Trustee Fast: I see your hand, Simon.

[3:45:14] Trustee Fast: And first, Trustee Critchley.

[3:45:18] Trustee Critchley: Yes, thank you.

[3:45:20] Trustee Critchley: I'd be very loath to be proceeding to a public hearing

[3:45:24] Trustee Critchley: without having a water license

[3:45:26] Trustee Critchley: because water is always such a crucial issue

[3:45:30] Trustee Critchley: and concern of community members.

[3:45:32] Trustee Critchley: so having a water license is some sort of uh security or reassurance at least that there is

[3:45:42] Trustee Critchley: adequate water and um and the whole water management plan is going to be based on that so

[3:45:49] Trustee Critchley: it's uh you know we don't want to get cart before the horse issue here i think one follows the other

[3:45:55] Trustee Critchley: and given our our letter and what my previous discussions i'm hopeful that this water license

[3:46:03] Trustee Critchley: would come through uh uh you know within the time frame thank

[3:46:09] Trustee Fast: you yeah i'm i'm uh i'm in

[3:46:14] Trustee Fast: in favor as well of the recommendation as staff recommend because it seems to me there's this

[3:46:21] Trustee Fast: element of an integrated timeline and uh expectations of everybody that what information

[3:46:29] Trustee Fast: is going to be provided and that everything's being thought about so for what it's worth

[3:46:34] Trustee Fast: more discussion I'm reluctant to bring um uh Simon in again because I think we just heard from him

[3:46:44] Trustee Fast: and uh and he answered my question there and I'm but I'm open to trustees if you would like to hear

[3:46:49] Trustee Fast: from uh Simon again or shall we vote personally

[3:46:56] Trustee Busheikin: I think that once a motion is um in motion that

[3:46:59] Trustee Busheikin: it's somehow cleaner to just keep it uh between the local trust committee members thank you I

[3:47:06] Trustee Fast: I prefer that, too, just because we're in decision-making mode here.

[3:47:10] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:47:11] Trustee Fast: And then we have a motion moved and seconded, which is all of number three.

[3:47:17] Trustee Fast: And as is written there, did you want to propose any amendments or shall we vote?

[3:47:25] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, I'm satisfied with what I heard, that we are not entirely closing the door on another approach.

[3:47:32] Trustee Busheikin: And that was important to me.

[3:47:34] Trustee Busheikin: So, no, I don't want to propose anything.

[3:47:36] Trustee Fast: okay then uh then hearing no more discussion or seeing no more hands i'm going to call the

[3:47:42] Trustee Fast: question all those in favor aye aye

[3:47:46] Voice 10: aye

[3:47:47] Trustee Fast: thank you that passes unanimously that's number three

[3:47:50] Trustee Fast: and um very good and uh number four um

[3:47:56] Trustee Busheikin: i'll do number four i i move that the denman island

[3:48:00] Trustee Busheikin: local trust committee requests the applicant for derz 2021.1 denman housing association

[3:48:05] Trustee Busheikin: enter into a cost recovery agreement with the Islands Trust for the purposes of drafting

[3:48:12] Trustee Busheikin: A, a housing agreement for 20 units of affordable rental housing, Deming Green,

[3:48:17] Trustee Busheikin: and B, a restrictive covenant for compliance with the energy step code,

[3:48:23] Trustee Busheikin: water conservation, and groundwater monitoring.

[3:48:26] Trustee Fast: Thank you. And do I have a seconder?

[3:48:28] Trustee Fast: Thank you, David Critchley. Very good.

[3:48:31] Trustee Fast: And questions or discussion?

[3:48:34] Trustee Fast: discussion? No.

[3:48:37] Trustee Fast: I think it's pretty clear. Okay, then hearing none, I'll call the question. All

[3:48:41] Trustee Fast: those in favor? Oh, hang on, hang on. Oh, sorry, a little lag here. Trustee Pushyakin, did you have

[3:48:51] Trustee Fast: a question? No, I was about to vote. Oh, thank you. Okay, then I'll call the question again. All

[3:48:57] Trustee Fast: those in favor? Aye.

[3:49:01] Trustee Fast: Thank you. One, two, three. That's great. That's all passed in favor. Thank

[3:49:05] Trustee Fast: Thank you, I'm just trying to take into account the lag

[3:49:07] Trustee Fast: and making sure I'm catching everything.

[3:49:10] Trustee Fast: Okay, who's gonna do number five, is that?

[3:49:13] Trustee Critchley: Sure, I'll move the Demanon Local Trust Committee

[3:49:16] Trustee Critchley: request staff to advise the applicant

[3:49:18] Trustee Critchley: for DESUB 2021.1, Pan Design Inc,

[3:49:23] Trustee Critchley: that a covenant or other legal instrument

[3:49:25] Trustee Critchley: be registered on the quote, commercial,

[3:49:28] Trustee Critchley: quote, zoned portion of lot PID 000393941

[3:49:36] Trustee Critchley: 1151 Kirk Road to prevent the sale or transfer of the subdivided parcel until such a time that

[3:49:42] Trustee Critchley: application DERZ 2021.1 Denman Housing Association is completed. And that confirmation that this has

[3:49:51] Trustee Critchley: been completed is submitted to the Honest Trust as soon as the subdivision of the subject property

[3:49:57] Trustee Critchley: is registered on title.

[3:50:00] Trustee Fast: Thank you. And do I have a seconder? Thank you, Mr. Bishakin. That's great.

[3:50:06] Trustee Fast: and uh it occurs to me that we haven't heard from uh hennig nielsen but i haven't seen his hand up

[3:50:13] Trustee Fast: uh do trustees wish to hear from the app that applicant i think it's clear no earlier i believe

[3:50:22] Trustee Fast: that's right during the dvp yeah

[3:50:23] Voice 10: okay

[3:50:24] Trustee Fast: i just wanted to make sure i wasn't

[3:50:26] Trustee Fast: um missing something all right discussion or questions nope okay

[3:50:32] Trustee Fast: then i'm going to call the

[3:50:34] Trustee Fast: question. All those in favor? One. Aye.

[3:50:39] Trustee Fast: Aye. Thank you. Okay, that passes unanimously. That's three

[3:50:42] Trustee Fast: hands up. Number six.

[3:50:47] Trustee Busheikin: I will do number six. So I move that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[3:50:51] Trustee Busheikin: request staff to report back on engagement with the Archaeological Branch and the Comox First

[3:50:56] Trustee Busheikin: Nation on whether an archaeological overview assessment for the commercial zoned portion

[3:51:01] Trustee Busheikin: of PID 000393941, 1151 Kirk Road,

[3:51:08] Trustee Busheikin: should be requested as a condition

[3:51:10] Trustee Busheikin: of the local trust committee's consideration

[3:51:12] Trustee Busheikin: of an increase in density on the subject property

[3:51:15] Trustee Busheikin: through application DERZ 2021.1 Dem and Housing Association.

[3:51:22] Voice 10: Seconded.

[3:51:23] Trustee Busheikin: Thank

[3:51:24] Trustee Fast: you, moved and seconded.

[3:51:26] Trustee Fast: And any discussion?

[3:51:29] Trustee Fast: All in favor?

[3:51:32] Trustee Fast: Aye.

[3:51:32] Trustee Fast: aye aye

[3:51:33] Trustee Fast: thank you that carries unanimously three hands were up and uh the last one i'll

[3:51:39] Trustee Critchley: move to the

[3:51:40] Trustee Critchley: denman on local trust committee request staff to send an early referral of derz 2021.1 denman

[3:51:47] Trustee Critchley: housing association to the denman island fire department the islands trust conservancy and

[3:51:53] Trustee Critchley: islands trust freshwater specialist for comment and

[3:51:58] Trustee Busheikin: i'm a seconder um i will second that okay

[3:52:02] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you. And I did have a comment, or a suggestion or question for discussion.

[3:52:11] Trustee Busheikin: Do we want to send it to the APC for an early referral? Seems to me there's a lot of there's

[3:52:17] Trustee Busheikin: a clear idea of what it would be. And if we hear from the APC now that could just be helpful in

[3:52:24] Trustee Busheikin: keeping the process moving. And I would assume that staff have considered that and had a reason

[3:52:29] Trustee Busheikin: and they didn't recommend that so I'd be curious to hear the pros and cons from staff's point of

[3:52:33] Trustee Busheikin: view but also from my fellow trustees.

[3:52:35] Trustee Fast: Go ahead Planner Zupanets.

[3:52:37] Planner Zupanec: Thank you the report didn't

[3:52:39] Planner Zupanec: address that although we could have given you our rationale as to why we're not recommending early

[3:52:45] Planner Zupanec: referral to the Advisory Planning Commission and our sense is is that they would rather sink their

[3:52:49] Planner Zupanec: teeth into the policy changes and the regulatory changes and then build on that versus generic

[3:52:57] Planner Zupanec: merit comments, and then having to revisit the policy and regulatory changes in detail.

[3:53:04] Planner Zupanec: So I would prefer to use your volunteer members to dive into and workshop the actual policy and

[3:53:12] Planner Zupanec: regulatory provisions and have them expand or collapse them as they see fit in their

[3:53:18] Planner Zupanec: recommendation to you. Because we know that there is a lot of support, community support for this,

[3:53:25] Planner Zupanec: So we can create the sort of skeleton policy and regulatory changes for you and then fine tune them with the limited volunteer capacity of your commission and really use them for that technical piece versus sort of this generic, what do you think of this proposal when we already have a really good sense there's a lot of community support and interest in this advancing, but everybody is going to be most interested in what does that look like in terms of the changes.

[3:53:55] Planner Zupanec: to policies and regulations thank

[3:53:59] Trustee Busheikin: you that i'm happy with that okay thank you and then um no i

[3:54:06] Trustee Fast: won't

[3:54:06] Trustee Busheikin: suggest any apc at this point

[3:54:08] Trustee Fast: gotcha uh any more discussion then um call the question all those

[3:54:15] Trustee Fast: in favor all

[3:54:18] Voice 10: right all

[3:54:19] Trustee Fast: right thank you that's three that passes unanimously very good well

[3:54:24] Trustee Fast: Well, thank you group.

[3:54:25] Trustee Fast: And now we're on to 10.

[3:54:31] Trustee Fast: That concludes the application section.

[3:54:34] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much applicants for hanging in there with us

[3:54:38] Trustee Fast: and providing us with information.

[3:54:40] Trustee Fast: And we're gonna move on now to 10.1,

[3:54:43] Trustee Fast: the business case for affordable housing

[3:54:46] Trustee Fast: project staff report.

[3:54:47] Trustee Fast: We're on page 104 for anybody following along.

[3:54:51] Trustee Fast: long and oops i've got to go back to my other agenda and i believe this is uh regional planning

[3:54:58] Trustee Fast: manager heather cower is speaking to this one so um oops now my whole agenda is gone i

[3:55:07] Voice 6: i i'm sharing

[3:55:09] Voice 6: my screen too so okay thank you i'll find it please go ahead heather okay thanks so at the

[3:55:17] Voice 6: the last, at your last meeting, the LTC passed a couple of motions related to housing. One was

[3:55:23] Voice 6: to bring forward a business case and one was to bring forward a discussion paper. And discussion

[3:55:30] Voice 6: papers are documents that we typically would develop as part of an official project. So this

[3:55:38] Voice 6: is sort of a mini version that provides a lot of information about housing. And you'll note that

[3:55:46] Voice 6: attached to this report is information that was gathered and collected by Trustee Bishaykin

[3:55:53] Voice 6: on the history of housing and studies and all kinds of information specific to Denman as well.

[3:56:03] Voice 6: So this report kind of goes through all of that, summarizes that. In terms of the business case,

[3:56:11] Voice 6: I think what is being anticipated is a larger project that has to do with housing that deals with OCP and the LUB, and that would include hiring a consultant who would then have an enhanced or extraordinary public engagement activity related to that.

[3:56:32] Voice 6: that. And because of the dollar figures involved, there would need to be a business case that would

[3:56:37] Voice 6: go to the financial planning committee this fall to be considered by the trust council for next

[3:56:45] Voice 6: year's fiscal budget. So the recommendations kind of reflect what to do around all of that.

[3:56:55] Voice 6: Right now you have a top priority project listed related to housing, but it's probably helpful to

[3:57:01] Voice 6: expand the language around that to include ocp and lub amendments to do with housing and um and

[3:57:09] Voice 6: move forward with the business case um so that's sort of a summary um i i'll add one more caveat

[3:57:17] Voice 6: in that now that we know that the farm plan uh grant has been um approved for us we're we we as

[3:57:27] Voice 6: staff would assume that, um, that would be the project, um, that we would be working on

[3:57:34] Voice 6: moving forward. It's, it's your top priority project already. Um, and, um, and even though

[3:57:41] Voice 6: the, the grant amount would allow for the hiring of a consultant, it would require staff time to

[3:57:47] Voice 6: hire a consultant, get them up to speed, get them, um, um, established with, with the project

[3:57:55] Voice 6: and maintain the contract and and liaise with the contractor um so we would assume that housing

[3:58:04] Voice 6: would then um move to next year's work plan um so that's uh that's a summary for me um i have

[3:58:15] Voice 6: recommendations on the first page that are mostly related to the to the business case and that's it

[3:58:23] Voice 6: for me

[3:58:23] Trustee Fast: thank you very much heather sorry i've got construction noise again so if it gets obnoxious

[3:58:30] Trustee Fast: let me know uh and i'll mute myself more often um uh thank you so we've got the recommendations

[3:58:37] Trustee Fast: from uh the planner in front of us and in the in the report and um i'm sure uh uh there was a lot

[3:58:46] Trustee Fast: of material in in this um in this report thank you for all the work that went into it especially

[3:58:50] Trustee Fast: especially the staff and Laura.

[3:58:54] Trustee Fast: And who would like to lead off the discussion

[3:58:58] Trustee Fast: or what do we think?

[3:59:00] Trustee Fast: I mean, the farm plan grant being approved is wonderful.

[3:59:02] Trustee Fast: That kind of changes the project,

[3:59:06] Trustee Fast: but we can discuss that later too, if you like.

[3:59:10] Trustee Fast: Under projects on the agenda, David Critchley, go ahead.

[3:59:14] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[3:59:15] Trustee Critchley: Yeah, so thank you for the report.

[3:59:17] Trustee Critchley: I was disappointed to see that Trust doesn't have any data,

[3:59:21] Trustee Critchley: really as far as affordable housing successes and strategies that seems to

[3:59:29] Trustee Critchley: me to be an omission that needs to be corrected as we struggle through these

[3:59:35] Trustee Critchley: these things but curious about this reference to inclusionary zoning and

[3:59:42] Trustee Critchley: that we don't in BC have that so I guess we can't do anything about that other

[3:59:47] Trustee Critchley: than lobbying our provincial government for such powers maybe that should be

[3:59:52] Trustee Critchley: something that's taken up at trust council maybe put forward by the regional planning

[4:00:00] Trustee Critchley: committee just a suggestion there um i was curious about this thing about uh one of the things we

[4:00:07] Trustee Critchley: could do is removing regulatory and financial barriers to societies that uh build affordable

[4:00:16] Trustee Critchley: housing and now financial barriers that we have nothing to do with that but regulatory barriers

[4:00:23] Trustee Critchley: i mean are there such um i don't know haven't haven't we identified everything and made it

[4:00:29] Trustee Critchley: as easy as possible for affordable housing societies to just glide through our processes

[4:00:34] Trustee Critchley: or are there still barriers that we need to remove do we need a consultant to tell us that or is that

[4:00:41] Trustee Critchley: something that we might know I guess that that's a question that I have the other thing was

[4:00:48] Trustee Critchley: wondering given the scope of this whether it's something that could be put forward on behalf of

[4:00:54] Trustee Critchley: of the Regional Planning Committee

[4:01:00] Trustee Critchley: on behalf of all islands,

[4:01:02] Trustee Critchley: it seems there's gonna be common themes here.

[4:01:07] Trustee Critchley: I don't know that by plowing this land again,

[4:01:12] Trustee Critchley: we come up with any new plants, any productivity,

[4:01:17] Trustee Critchley: but I don't know, I'm just skeptical

[4:01:22] Trustee Critchley: that now it becomes a make work project

[4:01:25] Trustee Critchley: for a consultant that doesn't really build any more affordable housing on on the trust islands

[4:01:32] Trustee Critchley: that's that's just a little uh skepticism that i have about the thing but i'd be interested in

[4:01:38] Trustee Critchley: a regional planning manager car responding to to that heather

[4:01:45] Voice 6: yeah yeah so my i guess my

[4:01:49] Voice 6: My basic response is that staff could do this work.

[4:01:53] Voice 6: We're assuming that a consultant is needed because of the public engagement and that there's an anticipated extraordinary amount of public engagement that would be needed and consultants do that better, at least enhanced public engagement.

[4:02:13] Voice 6: In terms of analysis of your bylaws and how they could be made better, how they could remove regulatory barriers, staff could do that.

[4:02:23] Voice 6: If you had a scaled-down project and not a lot of money, that could all be done by staff.

[4:02:32] Voice 6: And so it depends on the size and scope of your project.

[4:02:36] Voice 6: and um and theoretically that that work could be done by the northern staff um through through a

[4:02:46] Voice 6: discussion paper you know um which wouldn't take a lot of time or and and no money um so it yeah

[4:02:55] Voice 6: again it just depends on the scope and and how necessary you think public engagement is and what

[4:03:01] Voice 6: what kind of public engagement, but in terms of analysis, staff can do that.

[4:03:10] Trustee Fast: Thank you. I think David also had the question about what, aren't we streamlined? Well,

[4:03:18] Trustee Fast: I guess you can't answer that without doing some analysis about what regulatory

[4:03:21] Trustee Fast: barriers could be removed.

[4:03:25] Voice 6: I can kind of speak to that preliminarily. And that is,

[4:03:29] Voice 6: one of the really basic things is that most of your zoning that allows residential

[4:03:34] Voice 6: only allows one single family home per lot. And, and because it's really limited, you know,

[4:03:43] Voice 6: your secondary suites are limited, your, the ability to have multi units per lot is limited.

[4:03:51] Voice 6: That also means that your, your zoning is built in to be not as affordable as, and if that were

[4:04:00] Voice 6: expanded, you could have more affordable units. So that's a really basic kind of idea about

[4:04:08] Voice 6: regulatory barriers. But you're continuing to have the debate about what is necessary on the

[4:04:18] Voice 6: islands, which is, is there enough water? And do you want to remove regulatory barriers related

[4:04:25] Voice 6: related to water provision and that's a bigger debate.

[4:04:31] Voice 6: Thank you, very good.

[4:04:36] Trustee Fast: Okay, who else has a question

[4:04:37] Trustee Fast: for the water provision barriers?

[4:04:40] Trustee Fast: Taking notes and trying to talk at the same time.

[4:04:43] Trustee Fast: Who else has a question for the planner?

[4:04:46] Trustee Fast: Laura?

[4:04:48] Trustee Busheikin: Yes, I do and thank you.

[4:04:51] Trustee Busheikin: This report is great and really helpful

[4:04:56] Trustee Busheikin: and brought some new uh information forward uh for instance around what's in the local government

[4:05:02] Trustee Busheikin: act that i thought was really important to take note of um so um i guess one of my question is

[4:05:10] Trustee Busheikin: in the um where are we sorry i'm in the business case there's a mention of that the de i'm on page

[4:05:25] Trustee Busheikin: 113 of the package. The DELTC will be seeing approval from the Director of Local Planning

[4:05:31] Trustee Busheikin: Services for fiscal 21-22, that's this fiscal, to initiate the overall project. So $5,000 to

[4:05:40] Trustee Busheikin: initiate the overall project for this fiscal year. And I don't see that showing up in other places

[4:05:47] Trustee Busheikin: where the project is being kind of broken down and described. There's another mention earlier

[4:05:53] Trustee Busheikin: of four thousand dollars within our current budget that could be used so where does that

[4:05:57] Trustee Busheikin: five thousand fit into like leaving aside like what's happening with the farm plan um project

[4:06:03] Trustee Busheikin: um for now like if we went forward with this as more or less as written where does that five

[4:06:11] Trustee Busheikin: thousand fit in what would it be used for as compared to the four thousand and what would

[4:06:16] Trustee Busheikin: that fiscal 21-22 activity look like in your mind?

[4:06:21] Voice 6: Yeah. Again, it kind of depends on what you want

[4:06:27] Voice 6: to do. You know, the $4,000 or $5,000. $4,000 has been allocated to the kind of, what do we say,

[4:06:38] Voice 6: there's an assumption built into the overall LTC project budget in the budget that

[4:06:46] Voice 6: that each LTC is getting $4,000 per fiscal year, and it's sort of set aside. So the total amount

[4:06:53] Voice 6: is based on that assumption. But that amount gets sort of, what each LTC gets throughout the year

[4:07:00] Voice 6: depends on where we're at in the year, how much money has been used up. Some can be moved from

[4:07:05] Voice 6: from here to there, if LTCs aren't using it.

[4:07:09] Voice 6: Up to 5,000 assumes some things

[4:07:13] Voice 6: about our procurement policy, who can approve that.

[4:07:18] Voice 6: And as I understand it, our current policy

[4:07:22] Voice 6: is that anything over $5,000 has to,

[4:07:26] Voice 6: should go through a business case request

[4:07:30] Voice 6: through the budget.

[4:07:31] Voice 6: So anything under 5,000 is sort of easily approved

[4:07:35] Voice 6: the director and doesn't have to go through a larger process does that make sense does that

[4:07:43] Voice 6: answer your question i

[4:07:44] Trustee Busheikin: think so yeah i mean director mobs told me anything up to 20 000

[4:07:50] Trustee Busheikin: could be done directly through the director of lps and not through the annual budget process

[4:07:58] Trustee Busheikin: but let's leave that aside because i don't think that's necessarily um relevant right now because

[4:08:07] Trustee Busheikin: we don't really know quite yet what we want to do okay okay so

[4:08:18] Trustee Fast: what would we like to do

[4:08:21] Trustee Fast: do we need to discuss the farm plan too because there's some timeline elements here or um do we

[4:08:29] Trustee Fast: want to break it down into pieces for example the um or do we want to take it forward the way it is

[4:08:39] Trustee Fast: we've got recommendations from staff in front of us there on uh page 104 anybody

[4:08:49] Trustee Busheikin: want to make a

[4:08:49] Trustee Busheikin: a motion i'm just thinking right now i

[4:09:00] Trustee Fast: know we've had a this is a big topic when we've just been

[4:09:08] Trustee Fast: dealing with individual applications yeah

[4:09:17] Trustee Busheikin: so i'm just reading over the um the business case again

[4:09:37] Trustee Busheikin: like i'm just like i'm not i'm still sort of trying to wrap my head around it all and given

[4:09:42] Trustee Busheikin: and the farm plan um like we're kind of i feel like we need to consider our um our projects and

[4:09:51] Trustee Busheikin: our priorities as we're considering what we do about this i mean moving forward with one to four

[4:09:56] Trustee Busheikin: uh is um sounds great my i guess and maybe that'll come up when we do get to projects like i i like

[4:10:05] Trustee Busheikin: the idea of having something starting in this fiscal year if we can do that um which to me

[4:10:15] Trustee Busheikin: i mean maybe this isn't a little thing at all it would be staff analysis of of options to change

[4:10:22] Trustee Busheikin: our bylaws to create more more options for housing affordable housing attainable housing rental

[4:10:30] Trustee Busheikin: housing housing options and having some kind of public you know meeting to present that and get

[4:10:37] Trustee Busheikin: some feedback about it um to kind of set the stage for saying okay you know where are we going next

[4:10:43] Trustee Busheikin: um i would love to see that happen in this fiscal year if possible but i also understand that the

[4:10:48] Trustee Busheikin: farm plan if the grant comes in we should go forward with that um so um what

[4:10:57] Trustee Fast: we could do

[4:10:58] Trustee Fast: is leave this for a moment and go on to discuss the rest of the uh agenda until we get to projects

[4:11:08] Trustee Fast: uh and then come back to this topic uh before the end of the meeting would that help or we

[4:11:19] Trustee Fast: could bring up the projects discussion right now like

[4:11:23] Trustee Busheikin: yeah the work program discussion i guess is

[4:11:25] Trustee Busheikin: what it's called i mean to me that's kind of already on the table here just about yeah okay

[4:11:32] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, we can just work it out now while we have this in front of us.

[4:11:37] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[4:11:39] Trustee Fast: All right. I just haven't heard a lot from Trustee Critchley, and I'm aware that we've got long pauses in our discussion here.

[4:11:50] Trustee Fast: So I'm wondering if you said work plan. Do you mean the project's report down there, 137?

[4:11:58] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[4:11:59] Trustee Fast: Yeah. Okay. I'm just going to glance down there.

[4:12:02] Trustee Busheikin: Priorities report 14.1.

[4:12:11] Trustee Fast: right okay 136 through 139 these are the pages and um right

[4:12:17] Voice 5: okay

[4:12:18] Trustee Fast: so if we scoot ahead to those

[4:12:21] Trustee Fast: um then sorry trying to find my pages there we are um go ahead

[4:12:32] Trustee Busheikin: it's the it's the top priorities

[4:12:35] Trustee Busheikin: report that's of note the others are

[4:12:38] Trustee Busheikin: just like a holding tab like right right i forget

[4:12:41] Trustee Busheikin: um so it's

[4:12:42] Trustee Busheikin: the top priorities report and i mean we don't need to even look at it it's got the farm plan

[4:12:47] Trustee Busheikin: implementation project and the um lub review which is you know really more of a lub ocp review

[4:12:54] Trustee Busheikin: um and it's how we're gonna sequence those and and manage those um given the likelihood of a

[4:13:01] Trustee Busheikin: grant coming in but also the you know housing is a more urgent this okay so and i would like to hear

[4:13:07] Trustee Busheikin: from david christian so i'll just say this and then stand back and this is why i think you know

[4:13:11] Trustee Busheikin: clearly I'm coming across as perhaps indecisive or a little stuck, is that to me, housing is a

[4:13:18] Trustee Busheikin: much more urgent issue and has much more community concern and community need around it. And I

[4:13:27] Trustee Busheikin: furthermore believe that having a healthy, diverse population, which depends on housing, is also

[4:13:33] Trustee Busheikin: part of how we have a healthy environment, because I don't think a population that isn't diverse is

[4:13:40] Trustee Busheikin: good for the environment. So anyway, it's a much more urgent topic, whereas the farm plan

[4:13:47] Trustee Busheikin: implementation isn't. Our agricultural community is functioning and they're not coming to us and

[4:13:53] Trustee Busheikin: saying, oh gosh. But the farm plan has this long history of being not implemented. A grant could

[4:13:59] Trustee Busheikin: come through. There could be a housing element of that work. And I feel it's irresponsible not to

[4:14:05] Trustee Busheikin: to get that farm plan implementation done after it's lingered for all these years.

[4:14:11] Trustee Busheikin: But it's difficult to say, but so we're going to put housing second, when I think in the minds of

[4:14:17] Trustee Busheikin: most islanders, and to me, it's the most, it's a bigger priority. But then it's such a sloppy use

[4:14:25] Trustee Busheikin: of resources not to go with the funding that we asked for to get that farm plan that's like

[4:14:30] Trustee Busheikin: like three quarters of the way through that implementation done.

[4:14:34] Trustee Busheikin: So that's the nature of the dilemma.

[4:14:38] Trustee Busheikin: And I don't have the answer right now.

[4:14:40] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Laura.

[4:14:41] Trustee Fast: Well, if I can contribute a little bit as the off-island chair,

[4:14:45] Trustee Fast: so I'm not as familiar with the Denman situation,

[4:14:48] Trustee Fast: but I think we're in a climate crisis.

[4:14:51] Trustee Fast: I don't know what the heat was like on Denman,

[4:14:56] Trustee Fast: but I know it made some changes immediately out there

[4:14:58] Trustee Fast: They're on Colin's farm next door to me.

[4:15:02] Trustee Fast: And I think from what I'm reading about Southern California, where a lot of our food comes from and things like that,

[4:15:11] Trustee Fast: food security is becoming an issue around climate action and adapting to be more resilient as communities in a time of weather extremes

[4:15:26] Trustee Fast: and climate extremes and changes in uh in the way the world works for going to the grocery store

[4:15:35] Trustee Fast: so i'm um making it more affordable i don't know whether that would make a difference but i

[4:15:41] Trustee Fast: do recall from my uh little bit of interaction with the i think i was at a cim meeting about the

[4:15:48] Trustee Fast: the farm plan very early on.

[4:15:54] Trustee Fast: I thought that housing for workers

[4:15:57] Trustee Fast: was part of that discussion as well.

[4:16:00] Trustee Fast: So maybe by, anyway,

[4:16:04] Trustee Fast: I'm proposing to leave the farm plan there,

[4:16:06] Trustee Fast: just putting it out there.

[4:16:07] Trustee Fast: I'm not the local trustee,

[4:16:09] Trustee Fast: but I think it might be able to make some progress

[4:16:13] Trustee Fast: on the housing front

[4:16:15] Trustee Fast: front end, the climate resilient community sort of front, I'm not sure, but I'll just put it out

[4:16:26] Trustee Fast: there for consideration, considering all the work that's gone into it, and what I'm seeing here

[4:16:33] Trustee Fast: on Bowen in terms of concern, even though we're right next to the big city, here there's a food

[4:16:40] Trustee Fast: security concern and greenhouses and things are being discussed and we as a

[4:16:48] Trustee Fast: municipality just gave some grants to that project to get going but that's

[4:16:53] Trustee Fast: different island might be totally different where you are so just from the

[4:16:58] Trustee Fast: climate and housing perspective the work that's gone into it in the grant that

[4:17:02] Trustee Fast: has just been adopted I'm wondering what you think David Critchley I

[4:17:11] Trustee Critchley: think we have

[4:17:12] Trustee Critchley: have to go ahead with the farm plan and just get her done because it's been sitting around for

[4:17:16] Trustee Critchley: years and uh you know it doesn't reflect well on us that it's lingering there and uh it's just

[4:17:24] Trustee Critchley: another example of uh our inadequacies i guess um we we have to recognize our limitations we can't

[4:17:35] Trustee Critchley: juggle more than one ball in the air at a time it seems so we're stuck with that um it has to

[4:17:42] Trustee Critchley: to be agriculture let's just get that one done uh by the looks of it this these proposals for

[4:17:49] Trustee Critchley: affordable housing study would be in any event going through budgetary processes nothing is

[4:17:55] Trustee Critchley: going to happen until you know budget gets passed for next year that's march that's um

[4:18:03] Trustee Critchley: by time to get anything up and running now we're looking at literally a year away before

[4:18:08] Trustee Critchley: before anything happens on on the affordable housing um as as put forward anyway or as it

[4:18:18] Trustee Critchley: currently stands so i think we have to press ahead with the agriculture matter first now i just wanted

[4:18:25] Trustee Critchley: to add in one thing um since chair fasty brought up the matter of climate change and food security

[4:18:32] Trustee Critchley: and everything uh i just found it on our lunchtime break uh report by a biologist saying that the

[4:18:39] Trustee Critchley: this unusual heat has actually killed off billions of sea creatures um and i can smell it from my

[4:18:50] Trustee Critchley: house because there's a lot of dead things on the foreshore so yeah there's sort of an apocalypse

[4:18:56] Trustee Critchley: apocalypse happening uh maybe not for our species yet but uh very serious uh yeah so what else can

[4:19:06] Trustee Critchley: you say yeah

[4:19:07] Trustee Fast: okay so i'm

[4:19:10] Trustee Critchley: hearing one thing i did want to say sorry i i did want to say that

[4:19:15] Trustee Critchley: i i remain of the view that this affordable housing type project as as described it seems

[4:19:23] Trustee Critchley: seems to me, is a regional thing or a trust-wide thing that the planning people should be taking

[4:19:29] Trustee Critchley: up and running with. And, you know, identifying if there are regulatory barriers tells what they

[4:19:37] Trustee Critchley: are. I mean, I don't think it's a regulatory barrier to have zoning bylaws that limit us to

[4:19:45] Trustee Critchley: one residence per property generally speaking because we're looking at limiting our number of

[4:19:54] Trustee Critchley: humans on the island for one thing and a number of residences so get into a whole different

[4:19:58] Trustee Critchley: description if you talk about just undercutting that or making some simple change like everybody

[4:20:04] Trustee Critchley: who's entitled to one can now have two you know we'll just double our our population i'm not sure

[4:20:10] Trustee Critchley: sure that those houses become affordable in any event but uh that's part of a long discussion

[4:20:17] Trustee Critchley: and uh i i'm not seeing anything that's going to be practical that's going to come out of this

[4:20:23] Trustee Critchley: anytime soon okay

[4:20:26] Trustee Fast: so i think we're hearing that uh for this um top priorities we're planning to

[4:20:33] Trustee Fast: leave the farm plan where it is as the top priority there uh unless uh somebody puts up

[4:20:38] Trustee Fast: up their hand and says no they want to make make a change can i put a check mark beside top

[4:20:44] Trustee Fast: priorities 14.1 and go back to 10.1 on the agenda yeah okay so we're leaving the farm plan as the

[4:20:57] Trustee Fast: first thing to do and we're back um into the business case for affordable housing project

[4:21:03] Trustee Fast: uh hearing what you've heard um laura did you want to make any of those motions we're back for people

[4:21:09] Trustee Fast: page 104 yeah

[4:21:11] Trustee Busheikin: i do and you know one thing i realized in the discussion is it's it's a little

[4:21:15] Trustee Busheikin: bit moot because even if i mean there is a pause as it says further down here in this staff report

[4:21:22] Trustee Busheikin: if the grant doesn't go through uh there could be some work done in this fiscal year but that work

[4:21:29] Trustee Busheikin: is the preliminary work and really the bulk of it isn't going to happen till till that but if

[4:21:34] Trustee Busheikin: If till and if that request to financial planning committee and to trust council to have this in the budget, that still needs to go forward.

[4:21:45] Trustee Busheikin: So like it or not, to really do this properly is going to need that big chunk of money and dedication of staff.

[4:21:53] Trustee Busheikin: So, I'm a little bit at uneasy piece, because I agree with that trustee critically that we're, you know, as and this has really been a big theme here on Denver for the years that somehow our delivery of long term proactive planning projects is, is not sufficient to the need.

[4:22:17] Trustee Busheikin: And believe me, everybody knows that we're not happy about that, because we've been talking to senior staff and talked to Chair Luckham. And yeah, and I know that there are various things afoot to try and improve the trust's work overall on these matters.

[4:22:39] Trustee Busheikin: uh so i'm willing to to move one to four one by one or take turns moving them that will get this

[4:22:47] Trustee Busheikin: going um and um we'll uh keep moving okay thank you please go ahead i move that the denman island

[4:22:57] Trustee Busheikin: local trust committee amend the title of the second pop party project to be denman ocp and

[4:23:01] Trustee Busheikin: and LUB Housing and Short-Term Rentals Review.

[4:23:06] Trustee Busheikin: And so there's two.

[4:23:10] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, we could do them one

[4:23:10] Trustee Busheikin: at a time.

[4:23:11] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, yeah.

[4:23:12] Trustee Fast: Okay, one at a time is fine.

[4:23:14] Trustee Fast: Yeah, do I have a seconder?

[4:23:16] Voice 10: Yeah, seconder.

[4:23:17] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:23:19] Trustee Fast: Any questions or discussion?

[4:23:22] Voice 10: No.

[4:23:22] Trustee Fast: No.

[4:23:23] Trustee Fast: Okay, so I'm going to call the question.

[4:23:25] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[4:23:26] Trustee Fast: Aye.

[4:23:27] Voice 10: Aye.

[4:23:28] Trustee Fast: Aye.

[4:23:28] Trustee Fast: One, two, three hands went up.

[4:23:30] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[4:23:32] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:23:32] Trustee Fast: Please go ahead.

[4:23:33] Trustee Fast: Who wants to read the next one?

[4:23:35] Trustee Critchley: I'll move that the Dem and Ion Local Trust Committee amend the description of the second top priority project by adding bullets that read A, implementation of recommendations listed in the Ion's Trust Northern Region Housing Needs Assessment 2018.

[4:23:50] Trustee Critchley: B, consideration of Section 473 of the Local Government Act regarding housing policies.

[4:23:57] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Do I have a seconder?

[4:23:58] Trustee Fast: I can.

[4:23:59] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Laura. Discussion?

[4:24:03] Trustee Fast: Okay, then I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[4:24:07] Voice 10: Aye.

[4:24:08] Trustee Fast: Aye.

[4:24:09] Trustee Fast: Aye. One, two, three. That passes unanimously.

[4:24:12] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. The next one, Laura?

[4:24:13] Trustee Busheikin: I move that the Denman-Allen Local Trust Committee endorse the business case for the Denman Affordable Housing Project.

[4:24:20] Trustee Busheikin: Do I have a seconder?

[4:24:21] Voice 10: Second.

[4:24:22] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[4:24:23] Trustee Fast: Discussion or questions?

[4:24:26] Trustee Fast: No.

[4:24:27] Trustee Fast: Okay, then I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[4:24:32] Trustee Fast: Aye.

[4:24:32] Trustee Fast: Aye.

[4:24:33] Voice 10: Aye.

[4:24:33] Trustee Fast: Aye.

[4:24:34] Trustee Fast: One, two, three.

[4:24:35] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[4:24:36] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:24:36] Trustee Fast: And the next one.

[4:24:40] Trustee Critchley: I'll move the Denman on Local Trust Committee request staff to forward the Denman Affordable

[4:24:46] Trustee Critchley: Housing Project business case to the Islands Trust Financial Planning Committee for consideration

[4:24:51] Trustee Critchley: of inclusion in the 2022-23 Islands Trust budget.

[4:24:56] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:24:57] Trustee Fast: Do I have a seconder?

[4:24:58] Trustee Fast: Second.

[4:24:59] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:25:00] Trustee Fast: And any discussion?

[4:25:02] Voice 10: No.

[4:25:04] Trustee Fast: All in favor?

[4:25:06] Trustee Fast: Aye.

[4:25:07] Voice 10: All right.

[4:25:08] Trustee Fast: Aye.

[4:25:09] Trustee Fast: One, two, three.

[4:25:09] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[4:25:11] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously.

[4:25:12] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, Heather, for helping us, I think, narrow in on what it is we want

[4:25:21] Trustee Fast: to do and how much it's going to cost.

[4:25:22] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Laura.

[4:25:24] Trustee Busheikin: Just to be really honest here, is there any point in me putting forward a further motion

[4:25:31] Trustee Busheikin: motion that if staff, staffing workload levels permit that staff present or staff, it's getting

[4:25:48] Trustee Busheikin: late in the day, staff develop a discussion paper analyzing the opportunities for and barriers to

[4:25:53] Trustee Busheikin: affordable housing currently existing in the DEM and OCP and LUB. I'm looking at page 106, the second

[4:26:00] Trustee Busheikin: bullet okay but it's just if yeah if if staff workload levels permit it would be great to like

[4:26:10] Trustee Busheikin: it would just get the just it could be maybe something we could bring to the public they

[4:26:13] Trustee Busheikin: could start talking about it or we could start thinking about it if this runs into next year

[4:26:18] Trustee Busheikin: in an election it becomes something that the and possibly new trustees will be thinking about it's

[4:26:24] Trustee Busheikin: It's like a foundational stepping stone to the meat of the project.

[4:26:29] Trustee Fast: I would second that, if you wish, because I'm really interested in people.

[4:26:33] Trustee Fast: We need to explore what are the barriers.

[4:26:37] Trustee Fast: And the

[4:26:38] Trustee Busheikin: opportunities is a big one.

[4:26:41] Trustee Busheikin: And I will just, okay, I'm going to put that motion on the table then.

[4:26:45] Trustee Busheikin: I don't see Heather shaking her head violently.

[4:26:49] Trustee Busheikin: There's no smoke.

[4:26:51] Trustee Busheikin: No.

[4:26:51] Trustee Busheikin: know. I move that if staff workload permits, staff develop a discussion paper analyzing the

[4:27:03] Trustee Busheikin: opportunities for and barriers to affordable housing and increased housing options currently

[4:27:18] Trustee Busheikin: existing in the Denman OCP and LUB. Thank you. I was looking at the recommendation on 106 and I

[4:27:27] Trustee Busheikin: added the increased housing options because I think that well what is what is affordable housing

[4:27:34] Trustee Busheikin: that is an open question and I think that from what I hear and from what I read in our housing

[4:27:41] Trustee Busheikin: needs assessment there's a need for everything from highly subsidized housing for people living

[4:27:47] Trustee Busheikin: on fixed incomes to market rentals to somehow more afford the more affordable entry level

[4:27:57] Trustee Busheikin: purchase or purchase type ownership the whole thing is needed it's across the spectrum across

[4:28:04] Trustee Busheikin: the spectrum and it won't like when there's more affordable rental that frees up the lower end of

[4:28:11] Trustee Busheikin: rental i believe so i think it's not just the purely affordable housing the whole thing is

[4:28:17] Trustee Busheikin: just becoming that only really wealthy people can live on denman and that's not good or everyone

[4:28:25] Trustee Busheikin: living in illegal trailers and there's no one in between um so that's why that's i guess i'm

[4:28:31] Trustee Busheikin: speaking to the motion before it's seconded but that's why i added those words thank you before

[4:28:36] Trustee Fast: Or I just want to check with Vicky whether she got that.

[4:28:44] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:28:45] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[4:28:46] Trustee Fast: Okay, thanks.

[4:28:47] Trustee Fast: Just checking in because we hadn't heard from you for a while.

[4:28:49] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:28:50] Trustee Fast: Okay, then I'm going to ask for a seconder.

[4:28:55] Trustee Critchley: Sure, I'll second.

[4:28:57] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[4:28:58] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:28:58] Trustee Fast: And you've already spoken to it a little bit there, and so did I.

[4:29:06] Trustee Fast: How about you, David?

[4:29:07] Trustee Fast: do you do you have any discussion you want to make about this no okay

[4:29:12] Trustee Busheikin: i just in terms of um

[4:29:14] Trustee Busheikin: one more comment um i i would um ask that the opportunities include looking at the work that's

[4:29:23] Trustee Busheikin: currently being i think more or less wrapped up on main island which i think is quite um

[4:29:28] Trustee Busheikin: innovative about um uh the housing work they're doing about distributed square footage i think

[4:29:36] Trustee Busheikin: is what they call it, as a potential opportunity and just generally the innovation. I mean I think

[4:29:43] Trustee Busheikin: the discussion around secondary suites and cottages, yes,

[4:29:47] Trustee Busheikin: no, has been going on for decades and we can nudge it in one direction or another but

[4:29:53] Trustee Busheikin: you know can we break out of that exact discussion and look at some different models would be great.

[4:30:00] Trustee Busheikin: because it seems to just um be a little stuck sometimes that discussion okay

[4:30:05] Trustee Fast: okay thank you

[4:30:09] Trustee Fast: that's that's that's good i don't think we need to work that into the motion i think

[4:30:13] Trustee Fast: yeah just checking in with you okay good uh then i'm uh got a motion

[4:30:19] Trustee Fast: moved and seconded

[4:30:20] Trustee Fast: and i'm going to call the question unless there's more discussion i'm going to call the question

[4:30:25] Trustee Fast: all those in favor all right hi

[4:30:29] Trustee Fast: hi one two three that passes unanimously thank you very much and um

[4:30:36] Trustee Fast: uh and now we've uh i think we're at the point where we can move on correspondence we don't have

[4:30:43] Trustee Fast: new business this is um uh skinny road again the housing agreement and uh thank you heather

[4:30:51] Trustee Fast: and um we're moving back now to uh on page uh 121 and um i believe this is still post public

[4:31:01] Trustee Fast: hearing right so we know

[4:31:06] Trustee Busheikin: this is something else this is chickadee road and right right right okay

[4:31:13] Trustee Busheikin: thank you it's it's one unit um it's one unit of affordable housing with a housing agreement that

[4:31:20] Trustee Busheikin: exists has existed for some years and this is the the the report that that uh dclta is expected to

[4:31:27] Trustee Busheikin: make every year i believe and it's just here to show us that they have done it

[4:31:31] Trustee Fast: thank you i just

[4:31:32] Trustee Fast: sort of stumbled over my uh my notes here as i go my big pages get messier and messier as i write

[4:31:39] Trustee Fast: all over everything okay and uh so here it is for us uh anybody got anything they want to um

[4:31:46] Trustee Fast: bring up uh about this on page one whoops 121 seeing none no okay that's right that's why i

[4:31:58] Trustee Fast: don't have anything written down beside it okay then we're going to move on to uh trust conservancy

[4:32:03] Trustee Fast: report which is just there for your information page one starts on page 122 and um as somebody

[4:32:09] Trustee Fast: who sits on the board of the islands trust conservancy i hope you enjoy the slightly new

[4:32:14] Trustee Fast: format. We're starting to make changes and make things more accessible to people. And I just

[4:32:20] Trustee Fast: wanted to highlight the $4,000 grant. Page 123, there's a $4,000 grant to the Denman

[4:32:32] Trustee Fast: Conservancy Association, Conservation Association, that was made as a, at the bottom there.

[4:32:43] Trustee Fast: opportunity fund this is one of our sort of kickstarter funds to help things get going

[4:32:47] Trustee Fast: so that local island conservancy groups can get their projects started and if they're or or know

[4:32:58] Trustee Fast: whether it's worth starting and all that kind of thing so that that was awarded any questions about

[4:33:03] Trustee Fast: the conservancy report then we'll move on applications report page 124 any questions

[4:33:10] Trustee Fast: Any other questions for the planners? Seeing none, I'm skipping by. Expense report isn't there. Adopted policies, local trust committee web page look well populated to me.

[4:33:25] Trustee Fast: And going down here, we've discussed top priorities already. I guess it sort of has been amended by the motions that we just passed.

[4:33:36] Trustee Fast: podcast and uh because we moved um 10.1 business case into the second place uh spot and uh anybody

[4:33:47] Trustee Fast: want to discuss projects list or anything like that or shall we um we need to move into a oh i

[4:33:53] Trustee Fast: just wanted to mention there's a couple of information items there that people can look

[4:33:57] Trustee Fast: at if they want to and uh we've got a closed meeting following but the next regular meeting

[4:34:02] Trustee Fast: is scheduled for uh tuesday september the 7th 10 30 might be online might not we won't really know

[4:34:11] Trustee Fast: yet until we've got more of a uh idea of how things are going and what the islands trust's

[4:34:16] Trustee Fast: work plan is around covet uh as we get closer to it so is it all right to leave it like that

[4:34:25] Trustee Fast: and then uh i'd like a motion to close the meeting please who'd like to make it

[4:34:33] Voice 5: it's 17

[4:34:34] Trustee Busheikin: .1 go ahead i move that the um meeting be closed to the public in accordance to in

[4:34:41] Trustee Busheikin: accordance with the community charter part four division three section 91 a d and f for the

[4:34:46] Trustee Busheikin: purpose of considering appointments the advisory planning commission and adoption of in-camera

[4:34:50] Trustee Busheikin: meeting minutes dated may 4th 2021 by law enforcement if council considers that disclosure

[4:34:56] Trustee Busheikin: can reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under or enforcement of

[4:35:02] Trustee Busheikin: and enactment and section 92b to consider information received and held in confidence

[4:35:07] Trustee Busheikin: relating to negotiations between the provincial government and a third party and that the reporter

[4:35:11] Trustee Busheikin: and staff attend the meeting thank

[4:35:15] Voice 14: you vicky um i got a correction online that said that it also

[4:35:19] Voice 14: includes m for the purpose of considering appointments before that right

[4:35:23] Trustee Fast: thank you

[4:35:24] Trustee Fast: volunteer appointments yes it

[4:35:27] Trustee Busheikin: also includes section m m and m okay i mean here it's got f

[4:35:34] Trustee Busheikin: but if it needs m please i i'm all for m in addition to the f yeah okay

[4:35:41] Trustee Busheikin: thank you

[4:35:45] Trustee Fast: very much uh vicky that's correct and um uh that just refers to privacy we don't talk

[4:35:53] Trustee Fast: about uh appointments people people's names in in public and um so that's uh that's great i've got

[4:35:59] Trustee Fast: a motion seconded thank you david yeah and uh uh any other discussion call the question all those

[4:36:07] Trustee Fast: in favor and then we're going to break for five minutes and come back to the same meeting and uh

[4:36:14] Trustee Fast: will is going to lock it down okay thank you very much any members of the public who are watching

[4:36:18] Trustee Fast: and the public portion of the meeting is closed and you can um sign up for uh to receive the

[4:36:25] Trustee Fast: minute or sorry to receive notices of meetings and emails and all that kind of thing at the

[4:36:30] Trustee Fast: island stress website and uh and i'm going to pause the public part of the meeting now

[4:36:35] Trustee Fast: is adjourned thank you