Gambier Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, July 22, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the Gambier Island, or as we sometimes call it, the Gambier-Keats Local Trust Committee meeting.

[0:00:07] Trustee Fast (probable): So this is a business meeting of the elected officials about land use through the Islands Trust for Gambier and Keats and the islands within that local trust area.

[0:00:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Thanks, everybody, for joining us. Obviously, it's an electronic meeting, and that's because we're still in COVID times, in case anybody looks at this recording in a year or two.

[0:00:30] Trustee Fast (probable): So I want to begin by acknowledging that we are, with respect, meeting on, whoops, something's going on here, just a second, that we're, with respect that we're meeting on and about the traditional territories of the Squamish Nation, and I've been moved recently by the discoveries of children's graves all across Canada.

[0:00:59] Trustee Fast (probable): And anyway, I'd invite other local trustees when I mention you to say anything you want to say.

[0:01:06] Trustee Fast (probable): So we're I'm elected on Bowen Island.

[0:01:11] Trustee Fast (probable): This is Nuklelequem or Kualakam and over here next door to Keats and Gambier.

[0:01:17] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm the chair of the local trust committee.

[0:01:21] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'm the off island chair and I'm joined today here by the Gambier Island trustees.

[0:01:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Obviously, Kate Louise Stamford. Kate Louise, do you have anything you want to say?

[0:01:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): um uh welcome from to outlawach in alcotsum thank

[0:01:36] Trustee Fast (probable): you and dan rogers uh

[0:01:39] Trustee Fast (probable): good morning i i just want

[0:01:41] Trustee Fast (probable): to make sure i guess the webinar is operating because i see we have no participants so far

[0:01:46] Trustee Fast (probable): um but i'm sure will's on that uh the good morning i'm actually in vancouver today

[0:01:54] Trustee Fast (probable): but I am looking forward to this afternoon

[0:01:57] Trustee Fast (probable): to getting back to Lech Tynes in Alcatzum

[0:02:01] Trustee Fast (probable): on Howe Sound

[0:02:02] Trustee Fast (probable): and I'm pleased to join you all from here.

[0:02:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much.

[0:02:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:02:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, together the three of us are the elected folks

[0:02:13] Trustee Fast (probable): who make up the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee

[0:02:16] Trustee Fast (probable): and this meeting will be conducted on Zoom

[0:02:20] Trustee Fast (probable): and it'll be recorded

[0:02:22] Trustee Fast (probable): it and it'll be live streamed um so for anybody who can't uh attend today you can watch the

[0:02:30] Trustee Fast (probable): recording later you check the website and it'll be up in a couple of days usually the next day

[0:02:35] Trustee Fast (probable): um when we get to the town hall portion of the meeting if you'd like to raise uh speak just

[0:02:40] Trustee Fast (probable): raise your digital hand so there should be a yellow hand somewhere on your screen or if you're

[0:02:44] Trustee Fast (probable): on a phone then you need to press nine uh to raise your hand and star six star nine star six to

[0:02:51] Trustee Fast (probable): unmute. And if you've joined using the watch live link out there, then you will not be able to raise

[0:02:58] Trustee Fast (probable): your hand because you're not actually in the meeting, you need to use the attend link to get

[0:03:02] Trustee Fast (probable): into this webinar meeting. Otherwise, you're on live stream, you're just seeing the video

[0:03:13] Trustee Fast (probable): recording. So these are options can all be found under meetings and events calendar,

[0:03:17] Trustee Fast (probable): calendar under the what's happening menu and I just have a one dog issue just one second

[0:03:28] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you and we have a appreciate your understanding and assistance and we're

[0:03:35] Trustee Fast (probable): meeting from home so this is why I had a dog issue I can hear our old dog in another part

[0:03:40] Trustee Fast (probable): of the house and uh secondly um we're okay and uh thank you everybody so we've got our distractions

[0:03:50] Trustee Fast (probable): the kids jumping on the trampoline next door whatever other people in the houses and um thank

[0:03:55] Trustee Fast (probable): you everybody for allowing us into your homes if we are uh transmitting from home or joining from

[0:04:01] Trustee Fast (probable): home and uh apologies for any interruptions like that or any technological problems if you have

[0:04:08] Trustee Fast (probable): have technological problems joining the meeting then I'm going to start introducing staff

[0:04:13] Trustee Fast (probable): beginning with Will Cottingham. So Will is the person there she's waving she's the one who's

[0:04:19] Trustee Fast (probable): running our meeting from an office from over on Galeano sorry Gabriola and I always get those

[0:04:29] Trustee Fast (probable): ones mixed up and so she can help you if you email her at wcottingham at islandstrust.bc.ca

[0:04:37] Trustee Fast (probable): she'll be able to help you connect if you want to connect with us to speak during the town hall

[0:04:42] Trustee Fast (probable): portion of the meeting or any other technological problem. I'd like to introduce Diane Corbett is

[0:04:51] Trustee Fast (probable): our minute taker. We have a professional minute taker. Let me see if I can see her. Is Diane there?

[0:04:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Just checking. There she is. Good. She doesn't have the best internet for video. There she is.

[0:05:04] Trustee Fast (probable): But I just wanted to make sure that we're back there. I may do some roll calls once in a while

[0:05:08] Trustee Fast (probable): if we see that the internet is acting up,

[0:05:11] Trustee Fast (probable): just to make sure that all the staff are with us.

[0:05:14] Trustee Fast (probable): So Heather Cowher is with us.

[0:05:16] Trustee Fast (probable): Heather is our regional planning manager.

[0:05:18] Trustee Fast (probable): And let me see if I can, I'm having,

[0:05:21] Trustee Fast (probable): I want my, there we go.

[0:05:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:05:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Hi, Heather.

[0:05:27] Trustee Fast (probable): Sorry about that.

[0:05:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Regional planning manager, Heather Cowher,

[0:05:30] Trustee Fast (probable): is responsible for the northern region

[0:05:32] Trustee Fast (probable): of the Islands Trust area.

[0:05:35] Trustee Fast (probable): And Jamie Dubenya, Jamie's our island planner,

[0:05:38] Trustee Fast (probable): And she's running most of the planning work for Gambier-Keats.

[0:05:46] Trustee Fast (probable): And who am I missing?

[0:05:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Marnie Egan, there she is.

[0:05:49] Trustee Fast (probable): And Marnie is helping us with one of the items on our agenda today, item 9.2.

[0:05:53] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:05:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Welcome, Marnie.

[0:05:56] Trustee Fast (probable): I hope I didn't miss anybody there.

[0:05:58] Trustee Fast (probable): So this is an official forum for running the business of the land use decision-making in the Islands Trust.

[0:06:08] Trustee Fast (probable): And so please, when you're making your comments or thinking about who to direct your comments to, you can write to us or email us anytime.

[0:06:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Send it to us, the elected representatives.

[0:06:21] Trustee Fast (probable): We're here representing you.

[0:06:23] Trustee Fast (probable): But we want your input as members of the public, although I see you've gotten zero attendees, so I'll just keep that part short.

[0:06:30] Trustee Fast (probable): short. But I want to also mention that this is a place of employment, despite the fact that many

[0:06:36] Trustee Fast (probable): of us are, and staff too, are in our own homes and staff have a right to a safe and respectful

[0:06:42] Trustee Fast (probable): workplace. So we deal with some big issues and I'd like to just ask everybody to be hard on those

[0:06:52] Trustee Fast (probable): issues and easy on each other so that we can work together in our participatory democracy

[0:06:57] Trustee Fast (probable): democracy make things better for the future and uh i'm going to um now uh take a quick look at the

[0:07:05] Trustee Fast (probable): agenda here which is up on the screen thank you jamie is sharing her screen and um uh just let

[0:07:12] Trustee Fast (probable): you know that this agenda is available at the website islandstrust.bc.ca and we're going to

[0:07:20] Trustee Fast (probable): have a uh break at around noon somewhere in there for half an hour for lunch and we're trying to

[0:07:26] Trustee Fast (probable): wrap up by 2 30 and um uh we've got a couple of things i believe to add to the agenda who would

[0:07:33] Trustee Fast (probable): like to uh add anything to the agenda before we go on kate louise yes

[0:07:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh thank you chair fast i

[0:07:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): would like to add two items one is under 9.2 um which is a request to staff for a um forestry

[0:07:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): lands natural resources ministry staff to attend a public meeting on gambier okay great i've added

[0:08:05] Trustee Fast (probable): that as nine

[0:08:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh nine point two point one yeah perfect thank

[0:08:11] Trustee Fast (probable): you part of it yeah

[0:08:12] Trustee Fast (probable): it's all part

[0:08:12] Trustee Fast (probable): part of it okay

[0:08:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): and number two um uh marine water testing for recreational areas on

[0:08:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): um the within the islands the gambier local trust area islands and that can go under um

[0:08:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): it probably best under um i was putting it sorry 11

[0:08:43] Trustee Fast (probable): .1 under climate change

[0:08:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes,

[0:08:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's the one. Okay,

[0:08:46] Trustee Fast (probable): great. Under 11.1. Yeah,

[0:08:49] Trustee Fast (probable): because it is related to that heat dome. Okay, great. Thank you. I've got that down. Anybody else got anything they want to change or add to the agenda? Hearing none, then can I by consent, let's approve the agenda. Right? Okay, nodding. Thank you. Very good.

[0:09:10] Trustee Fast (probable): and now we'll go into reports so here trustees will fill you in a little bit uh fill people in

[0:09:17] Trustee Fast (probable): on what we've been up to um kate louise would you like to start

[0:09:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): certainly um the last few

[0:09:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): a couple of months have primarily been dealing with local one-off issues as we move into the

[0:09:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): summer season um now we're at the height of that um there's always lots of specific questions around

[0:09:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): around the roads the quality of road maintenance safety issues fire of course

[0:09:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): and one of the things that has been coming out it's after meeting for the June trust council

[0:09:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): and between that and the July 8th special council meeting there's certainly been a number of

[0:10:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): responses that I've spent time working on regarding the draft policy statement and

[0:10:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): where that's going so that took up um that's been quite active i participated in the marine

[0:10:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): reference guide launch event um i attended ocean watch action committee um and i've also been

[0:10:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): working quite uh a lot on a new resident welcome package that includes various parts of islands

[0:10:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): Islands Trust items of interest and I've got some more things that I've been working on through the

[0:10:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): Islands Trust Conservancy and I will speak to that later on in the meeting thank you great and

[0:10:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): Diane I will send that to you so you don't need to keep track of it oh

[0:10:53] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you she's going to

[0:10:54] Trustee Fast (probable): email that to our minute taker go ahead Dan Rogers trustee Rogers thank

[0:11:02] Trustee Fast (probable): you it's

[0:11:06] Trustee Fast (probable): It's been a busy month, much of it involved with the Trust Council as opposed to local trust issues, although I'll talk about those in a moment.

[0:11:19] Trustee Fast (probable): um and that's because of the uh the um the the draft trust policy statement which has made its

[0:11:30] Trustee Fast (probable): way out um and caught the attention of a number of people in the trust area uh we as trustee

[0:11:37] Trustee Fast (probable): stamford indicated uh the um the there have been two uh trust councils one in june and then a

[0:11:48] Trustee Fast (probable): a special one in July, and we've had literally hundreds of emails related to the draft trust

[0:11:58] Trustee Fast (probable): policy statement. So just reading those has been an interesting exercise, and as Trustee Stanford

[0:12:07] Trustee Fast (probable): said, it's been somewhat time-consuming. I've had some feedback. One of the good points of this

[0:12:12] Trustee Fast (probable): part has been I've had a number of contacts from people that I have not heard from before.

[0:12:18] Trustee Fast (probable): um on some of the islands in the in the trust area i've heard from uh new people on paisley

[0:12:26] Trustee Fast (probable): island i had not heard from before i also heard from some folks on boyer so it was

[0:12:31] Trustee Fast (probable): uh a pleasure to hear from them and and we had some communication and i provided some information

[0:12:37] Trustee Fast (probable): and expanded my my email list even further which is great um uh that process is continuing and

[0:12:46] Trustee Fast (probable): will continue through the remainder of this year

[0:12:49] Trustee Fast (probable): and into next year in terms of community consultation.

[0:12:53] Trustee Fast (probable): As Chair Fast will know,

[0:12:56] Trustee Fast (probable): we had an executive committee meeting yesterday,

[0:12:58] Trustee Fast (probable): I think it was yesterday, I'm losing track of days,

[0:13:02] Trustee Fast (probable): in which we sort of started the process

[0:13:04] Trustee Fast (probable): of developing a consultation program

[0:13:08] Trustee Fast (probable): for the whole of the trust area,

[0:13:10] Trustee Fast (probable): which will probably look different

[0:13:12] Trustee Fast (probable): in every local trust area

[0:13:15] Trustee Fast (probable): because of each of them, the connectivity

[0:13:18] Trustee Fast (probable): and the way that we engage is somewhat different

[0:13:21] Trustee Fast (probable): for Gambier Local Trust Area.

[0:13:24] Trustee Fast (probable): It's quite different than, for example, Maine or Salisbury.

[0:13:28] Trustee Fast (probable): There's been many other things going on, of course.

[0:13:34] Trustee Fast (probable): I was reminded, it was interesting.

[0:13:38] Trustee Fast (probable): We'll talk about it a little bit later today,

[0:13:41] Trustee Fast (probable): the Keats Island Foreshore Project,

[0:13:43] Trustee Fast (probable): but I received a series of emails last night and today

[0:13:48] Trustee Fast (probable): from some residents of Keats about that.

[0:13:51] Trustee Fast (probable): And we always try to, and I guess

[0:13:56] Trustee Fast (probable): I need to be a little more conscious of this.

[0:14:00] Trustee Fast (probable): We always tried to get the community in our meetings

[0:14:03] Trustee Fast (probable): where we would involve the community.

[0:14:05] Trustee Fast (probable): We would try to focus them around the summer

[0:14:08] Trustee Fast (probable): because that's when people are on the islands.

[0:14:10] Trustee Fast (probable): islands but now and and someone pointed out to me of course people are on the islands but they

[0:14:17] Trustee Fast (probable): the connectivity is bad so they can't join us in this way in the way that they could if they were

[0:14:22] Trustee Fast (probable): in this in the city um and it's going to be the opposite if we go back to in-person meetings and

[0:14:27] Trustee Fast (probable): anyway it was a you know i i knew that but it but it it you know the um the realization of that so

[0:14:35] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you to those who pointed out is given that i have connectivity issues on the island i should

[0:14:40] Trustee Fast (probable): should have been very, I should be very conscious of the fact that others may, will as well. So it's

[0:14:46] Trustee Fast (probable): sort of everything's upside down, as per usual. I want to acknowledge two things. One is the work

[0:14:56] Trustee Fast (probable): of the Keats Conservation Group that's been going on for the last number of months. I have been

[0:15:05] Trustee Fast (probable): and observing and assisting where I could.

[0:15:08] Trustee Fast (probable): There are at least three projects that are ongoing.

[0:15:12] Trustee Fast (probable): One is to try and establish some relationships

[0:15:16] Trustee Fast (probable): with the Squamish First Nation,

[0:15:20] Trustee Fast (probable): particularly around the Sandy Beach nature reserve

[0:15:24] Trustee Fast (probable): that will be a Islands Trust Conservancy property,

[0:15:31] Trustee Fast (probable): but attempting to bring some indigenous knowledge

[0:15:35] Trustee Fast (probable): to the island is a work that is ongoing by them.

[0:15:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Second is a project to try and remediate

[0:15:41] Trustee Fast (probable): some of the damage that's being done

[0:15:44] Trustee Fast (probable): to one of our really special beaches on Keech,

[0:15:46] Trustee Fast (probable): which is Wet's Beach,

[0:15:48] Trustee Fast (probable): trying to get the attention of the SCRD

[0:15:51] Trustee Fast (probable): because it's a SCRD park.

[0:15:53] Trustee Fast (probable): It is by far the most popular beach on the island.

[0:15:57] Trustee Fast (probable): It faces the Paisley Islands

[0:15:59] Trustee Fast (probable): and it has both sea damage

[0:16:03] Trustee Fast (probable): and upland damage from runoff and heavy use.

[0:16:07] Trustee Fast (probable): And so they're working on trying to figure out ways

[0:16:10] Trustee Fast (probable): to get the SCRD involved in the remediation.

[0:16:14] Trustee Fast (probable): And thirdly, there is quite an ambitious project going on

[0:16:18] Trustee Fast (probable): with a couple of residents on Keats

[0:16:22] Trustee Fast (probable): to catalog and get all the species on the island identified

[0:16:27] Trustee Fast (probable): and knowledge out there related to that.

[0:16:30] Trustee Fast (probable): I want to acknowledge those folks

[0:16:31] Trustee Fast (probable): that that have worked really hard mostly because they're extremely keen on that work and so that's

[0:16:38] Trustee Fast (probable): been that's been fun to watch although I acknowledge that I'm not an expert like birds

[0:16:44] Trustee Fast (probable): but I don't know a lot of species of other animals and plants and but other people do so that work is

[0:16:50] Trustee Fast (probable): ongoing and it's good to see because I think it's important for people to have knowledge of what

[0:16:56] Trustee Fast (probable): you know what species are on the island and what's important and what's in danger

[0:17:01] Trustee Fast (probable): um there's uh other things going on in the area of course and one of the things that's most

[0:17:08] Trustee Fast (probable): noticeable is uh as everybody will know that is on any of these islands the real estate market

[0:17:14] Trustee Fast (probable): is incredibly hot properties are selling for prices i would never have imagined in a week

[0:17:22] Trustee Fast (probable): uh on keats island um and uh so there's a changeover going on in terms of people so one

[0:17:30] Trustee Fast (probable): One of the things I've been working on is trying to connect with new people on the island so that they understand the role of the island's trust and that they have an understanding of the sort of the limitations of the infrastructure.

[0:17:45] Trustee Fast (probable): And speaking of that, Keats Island, parts of Keats Island in Eastbourne are on an SCRD water system.

[0:17:55] Trustee Fast (probable): It's quite a unique water system.

[0:17:57] Trustee Fast (probable): We're quite lucky to have it.

[0:17:59] Trustee Fast (probable): uh we're at stage four uh water restrictions uh which is the the most serious stage which means

[0:18:06] Trustee Fast (probable): pretty much any outdoor uh use of i think every all outdoor use of water is restricted

[0:18:12] Trustee Fast (probable): and the wells are the wells that service that system would serve 180 to 200 residents

[0:18:20] Trustee Fast (probable): um are pretty much uh you know they're not completely dry but they're producing far less so

[0:18:27] Trustee Fast (probable): So, you know, water is obviously a huge issue on the island right now, as it is across, I think, a lot of the areas of the trust area.

[0:18:37] Trustee Fast (probable): So people, if they don't know already, please, anybody watching, please restrict your water use on any of our islands.

[0:18:46] Trustee Fast (probable): There's no rain in the forecast that I've seen for quite a while yet, even though we're, you know, two-thirds of the way through July.

[0:18:55] Trustee Fast (probable): are okay thank you i'll stop talking now please contact me

[0:19:00] Trustee Fast (probable): for any questions thank you trustee

[0:19:02] Trustee Fast (probable): rogers and back to kate louise trustee stanford yes

[0:19:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): thank you i just have a follow-up question

[0:19:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): dan um on behalf of the conservancy um i'm hoping that any reports out from that group of people

[0:19:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): that are um doing the species inventory if that can be funneled through either the keats

[0:19:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): Conservancy and through to Islands Trust Conservancy. It's always very useful to have

[0:19:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): that, especially as we're dealing with species at risk. And any additional information through

[0:19:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): citizen science can help inform further work.

[0:19:38] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, and I'll make sure they're hooked in with

[0:19:41] Trustee Fast (probable): the Conservancy. I'm not sure how far along that is, and it's intended to go up on what is a

[0:19:48] Trustee Fast (probable): fairly ambitious new website that they're developing um and all that information is

[0:19:53] Trustee Fast (probable): supposed to be linked up there but i'll hook them into uh maybe i'll start with kate and

[0:20:00] Trustee Fast (probable): kate emmings and she

[0:20:02] Trustee Stamford (probable): or katherine or

[0:20:03] Trustee Fast (probable): katherine martel yeah i

[0:20:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): think maybe katherine martel might

[0:20:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): be better and um yes because gambier is doing there's various projects on gambier of a similar

[0:20:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): scope and um and there was somebody came over who was a marbled muralette specialist came over a few

[0:20:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): days ago didn't see any marbled muralette but did apparently track down cougars so oh

[0:20:26] Trustee Fast (probable): well all i know

[0:20:28] Trustee Fast (probable): is these two people that are doing this got extremely excited because there's red-legged

[0:20:32] Trustee Fast (probable): frogs on yeah

[0:20:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): oh good yeah that's important and

[0:20:36] Trustee Fast (probable): uh so which is great uh you should come over

[0:20:41] Trustee Fast (probable): Over some time, you can see the work that I'll mention him by name.

[0:20:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Richard Beard is doing.

[0:20:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): Oh, I love it.

[0:20:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): Richard's awesome.

[0:20:47] Trustee Fast (probable): And he's doing

[0:20:48] Trustee Fast (probable): an amazing amount of work up north of the park up there on his own,

[0:20:53] Trustee Fast (probable): just rehabilitating a whole area of the ditch and the side of the road and up into his property.

[0:21:00] Trustee Fast (probable): It's incredible what he does.

[0:21:02] Trustee Fast (probable): So, and he's one of them.

[0:21:04] Trustee Fast (probable): So anyway, a shout out to Richard.

[0:21:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much, trustees.

[0:21:09] Trustee Fast (probable): these and uh i'll just um uh follow up with a few notes one of them is uh we have a some of the

[0:21:17] Trustee Fast (probable): similar kind of work happening on bowen island too so at some point but i think our islands are

[0:21:22] Trustee Fast (probable): quite different and i um we don't have the cougars and coyotes and things that you do although um

[0:21:29] Trustee Fast (probable): uh any day now and sometimes i imagine they do come i don't know um we uh i'll just quickly say

[0:21:39] Trustee Fast (probable): in in our agenda on pages uh on the next page 14.1 and 14.2 just for anybody who's curious about the

[0:21:47] Trustee Fast (probable): trust policy statement project um that you may have heard about there's a link there in 14.1

[0:21:53] Trustee Fast (probable): that takes you into there's tons of detail but that's just a good portal and um 14.2 is uh

[0:22:00] Trustee Fast (probable): trust council met uh june 8th and um 9th as well as july 7th and 8th and uh so there's

[0:22:10] Trustee Fast (probable): all kinds of activity happening um at trust council and i'll just mention a couple of other

[0:22:17] Trustee Fast (probable): things that i've been involved in i chaired the hornby local trust committee uh last friday and

[0:22:23] Trustee Fast (probable): And yeah, and Bowen Island Municipal Council meetings happen every two weeks.

[0:22:31] Trustee Fast (probable): So I've got the next one coming up on Monday night and then and then a break.

[0:22:36] Trustee Fast (probable): And then but I won't go into too much more detail.

[0:22:41] Trustee Fast (probable): And that's enough for now, unless anybody's got any questions or things they wanted to bring up.

[0:22:46] Trustee Fast (probable): OK, I notice we're at 1054 and we're just in reports.

[0:22:50] Trustee Fast (probable): reports um electoral area director uh mark hiltz isn't able to join us today and we have no

[0:22:55] Trustee Fast (probable): delegation so now we're going to enter the town hall portion of the meeting can

[0:22:59] Trustee Fast (probable): i can i just say

[0:23:00] Trustee Fast (probable): something about the electoral area director support in case anybody's watching this um

[0:23:04] Trustee Fast (probable): just so you know um uh the the srd has done a community wildfire protection plan

[0:23:14] Trustee Fast (probable): plan that they've been working on for a while that and I've been in touch with them about that

[0:23:22] Trustee Fast (probable): because the original intent of that plan was to cover was to include the various islands and in

[0:23:31] Trustee Fast (probable): particular Gambier, Keats and North Thornby and the report is I'll say very light on I think that's

[0:23:41] Trustee Fast (probable): a kind of on the on the uh a plan for uh or any kind of examination of what's going on on those

[0:23:50] Trustee Fast (probable): three you know in some cases you know fairly densely populated islands and it's so it's been

[0:23:56] Trustee Fast (probable): a bit um disappointing we thought that we we know we're not covered by their well their fire of

[0:24:04] Trustee Fast (probable): response but we were hoping for some inclusion in that plan uh i've been in touch with some of

[0:24:10] Trustee Fast (probable): of the folks that deal with fire and with the SCRD,

[0:24:13] Trustee Fast (probable): the chair, and we'll continue to do that

[0:24:16] Trustee Fast (probable): and try and encourage them to provide some assistance

[0:24:19] Trustee Fast (probable): from to the various groups and volunteer groups

[0:24:24] Trustee Fast (probable): in the various parts of,

[0:24:25] Trustee Fast (probable): there's about three of them on Gambier

[0:24:28] Trustee Fast (probable): and there's one on Keats and the Paisleys

[0:24:31] Trustee Fast (probable): and North Thornby to provide some assistance

[0:24:36] Trustee Fast (probable): and some planning for those groups.

[0:24:39] Trustee Fast (probable): So just so you know that that has not gone unnoticed, that that work is ongoing.

[0:24:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, I don't think there's anything else I need to report about the SCRD, but I just wanted to make that point about that. Thank you.

[0:24:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Trustee Rogers. Yeah, and I think we can touch on it when we get to the follow-up action list in 7.1.

[0:25:03] Trustee Fast (probable): There might be some other points that come up about our next meeting with them, for example.

[0:25:09] Trustee Fast (probable): And, okay, so let's go into the town hall meeting except we have no, no attendees.

[0:25:15] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'm just going to move on past this and invite everybody to become to speak to us at the next meeting, which will be in September 30, I think, and or to write to us.

[0:25:33] Trustee Fast (probable): and um all of this information can be found under uh at the our new website under share your views

[0:25:40] Trustee Fast (probable): if you go to i want to and then pull down to share your views there's lots of information there for

[0:25:46] Trustee Fast (probable): anybody who might be watching the recording i'm just going to move on now to uh minutes um we're

[0:25:53] Trustee Fast (probable): looking at the uh minutes from may 27th anybody got any changes to the minutes trustees no good

[0:26:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Good work, staff.

[0:26:04] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm seeing both shaking heads.

[0:26:06] Trustee Fast (probable): So let's put a by consent then,

[0:26:08] Trustee Fast (probable): let's adopt the minutes of May 27th, 2021, check mark.

[0:26:15] Trustee Fast (probable): And for the record, there's a public hearing record

[0:26:20] Trustee Fast (probable): is in there for receipt 6.2.

[0:26:23] Trustee Fast (probable): That was the public hearing that we held that same day.

[0:26:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Check mark beside that, I'm assuming.

[0:26:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Any questions, trustees?

[0:26:30] Trustee Fast (probable): no no issues with that and uh 6.3 is um resolutions without meeting this is decisions

[0:26:39] Trustee Fast (probable): simple decisions that we can make by email and you can see them up on the screen thank you will

[0:26:44] Trustee Fast (probable): um one of them was uh that we agreed to amend um a typo kind of thing for one of the development

[0:26:52] Trustee Fast (probable): variance permits and the other one was that uh we finally adopted um keats island land use bylaw

[0:26:59] Trustee Fast (probable): there that had been passed by the ministry approved by the ministry so it's just that

[0:27:06] Trustee Fast (probable): very last step um 6.4 advisory planning commission meet minutes there's none there

[0:27:12] Trustee Fast (probable): so we're into the follow-up action list on page 21 of our uh agenda and um trustees do you have

[0:27:19] Trustee Fast (probable): questions for the planners no okay um i wondered about somebody wanted to talk about the i had a

[0:27:31] Trustee Fast (probable): to note that one of the trustees may have wanted to talk about the uh sunshine coast regional

[0:27:36] Trustee Fast (probable): district joint meeting our our uh meeting i think that might be page 22 or was that the other one

[0:27:42] Trustee Fast (probable): so

[0:27:44] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you for that chair i may may not it wasn't me but perhaps we should given that our

[0:27:48] Trustee Fast (probable): next meeting's not till september the 30th and that meeting is scheduled for october the 18th

[0:27:53] Trustee Fast (probable): we might want to talk about items that are on the agenda so thank you for raising that that's

[0:27:57] Trustee Fast (probable): That's probably a good point.

[0:28:01] Trustee Fast (probable): I am going to suggest that one of the topics

[0:28:08] Trustee Fast (probable): I'd like to see on that agenda is communication.

[0:28:17] Trustee Fast (probable): I can refine that, but mostly how Trustee Stamford

[0:28:24] Trustee Fast (probable): and I are notified of issues

[0:28:26] Trustee Fast (probable): that the SCRD are dealing with that affect the islands.

[0:28:31] Trustee Fast (probable): It came up again, and I've made this point to the SCRD,

[0:28:36] Trustee Fast (probable): came up again in that community wildfire protection plan

[0:28:40] Trustee Fast (probable): that the report was issued.

[0:28:41] Trustee Fast (probable): There was a consideration of it at the board of the SCRD.

[0:28:49] Trustee Fast (probable): And I had been in communication with a number of staff

[0:28:54] Trustee Fast (probable): staff about that in the month previous,

[0:28:57] Trustee Fast (probable): wondering where it was at and how it was going to be.

[0:28:59] Trustee Fast (probable): So they, there should have been a clear notice

[0:29:02] Trustee Fast (probable): that I was keen to know what was going on,

[0:29:05] Trustee Fast (probable): but we weren't notified that this report was completed.

[0:29:09] Trustee Fast (probable): And I know there's probably no formal requirement

[0:29:13] Trustee Fast (probable): for them to do that and that, you know,

[0:29:16] Trustee Fast (probable): they have their formal referral process,

[0:29:18] Trustee Fast (probable): but it would be good, but we've made the point

[0:29:20] Trustee Fast (probable): that we would like when issues affect the

[0:29:24] Trustee Fast (probable): islands that we so anyway i'd like that on the agenda um so we can make that point again i i um

[0:29:30] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm thinking of other issues and perhaps we could we maybe at some point whoever is is going to

[0:29:37] Trustee Fast (probable): organize that meeting whether it be the rpm or the planner uh they they could reach out to us

[0:29:42] Trustee Fast (probable): for other items that to put on the agenda but i'll stop talking and let trustee stanford talk about

[0:29:48] Trustee Fast (probable): them.

[0:29:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more topics that you want to bring up at this point, Trustee Stamford, for the

[0:29:55] Trustee Fast (probable): upcoming SCRD meeting in the fall? I just

[0:29:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): want to make sure that

[0:30:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): emergency services is part of the discussion I had some specific questions around

[0:30:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): evacuation for the island and did reach out to the emergency services program person at

[0:30:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): SCRD and it you know very nicely comes back and says well you've got to work that out

[0:30:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): And so I'm never sure what the expectation level is, that we seem to be at different levels of what we can accomplish as communities, as we are many separate communities, versus just some basic planning support that would help our communities look at things in certain ways.

[0:30:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): I don't want to overthink this, but some basic evacuation support planning would be very helpful, especially during the dry summer months.

[0:31:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you. And I see Planner Debenia has joined us. Go ahead, Jamie.

[0:31:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank

[0:31:07] Voice 2: you. So I'm just making note of these, these topics, but I did want to bring up the note below the Metro Vancouver item that it was agreed back in 2019 that there'd be one meeting per term but we wanted to confirm that that is still the case or whether an additional meeting.

[0:31:31] Voice 2: meeting is it needed was necessary yeah or wanted yeah so I

[0:31:39] Trustee Fast (probable): I've had no um with the exception of

[0:31:44] Trustee Fast (probable): access issues which we've addressed in correspondence to Boyer no sorry to Passage

[0:31:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Island um which we've attempted to address I uh have no had no issues raised by either

[0:31:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Boyer or Passage Island that would lead me to believe that we need to have a meeting

[0:32:01] Trustee Fast (probable): i can reach out to them and ask them if they want to uh if they think it's necessary but i haven't

[0:32:07] Trustee Fast (probable): had any requests for advocacy from either of those islands no so

[0:32:11] Trustee Fast (probable): i would say no okay

[0:32:13] Trustee Fast (probable): let's just leave

[0:32:14] Trustee Fast (probable): it thank you for staff for bringing that to attention i don't think we need it either

[0:32:17] Trustee Fast (probable): i i will bring up though just for um uh the interest of well they might be useful for staff

[0:32:25] Trustee Fast (probable): staff and trustees, that Metro Vancouver has a new forest ecosystem connectivity report.

[0:32:36] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't know if you can see that, but I can send you the links to that because

[0:32:40] Trustee Fast (probable): for Boyer and Passage, it might be of some use.

[0:32:44] Trustee Fast (probable): And they also have redone their ecosystem, sensitive ecosystem mapping.

[0:32:50] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'll just send these links to the planner and trustees.

[0:32:55] Trustee Fast (probable): um it's no big deal it's nothing we need to meet about it's just sort of updated um mapping portal

[0:33:02] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh and a new report and this would be marcin uh that we know through the yeah

[0:33:10] Trustee Fast (probable): ocean watch task force anyway okay thank you then um any other questions for the planners from the

[0:33:17] Trustee Fast (probable): follow-up action list then i'm still on item 7.1 seeing none let's move on to 8.1

[0:33:26] Trustee Fast (probable): uh this is the addition uh to our agenda uh this is the referral response renaming halkett bay this

[0:33:35] Trustee Fast (probable): is a late one i just want to make sure that um diane have you got this in your uh package there

[0:33:43] Trustee Fast (probable): i think it came by email it might be in the addendum yes

[0:33:48] Voice 5: i do yes

[0:33:49] Trustee Fast (probable): the addendum yes page

[0:33:51] Trustee Fast (probable): page 2 and 12 of the addendum so um uh who would like to speak to this one I think that's you Jamie

[0:34:02] Trustee Fast (probable): let me see sorry I'm pulling up the I've got to get this other one open uh

[0:34:09] Voice 2: so through the chair

[0:34:11] Voice 2: yeah this came to staff and um we're not entirely sure what to do with it but I believe it's looking

[0:34:19] Voice 2: for a response by September 30th so you know that might be that could be I don't

[0:34:29] Voice 2: know if that could be a formal response from staff or from the chairs it's a

[0:34:34] Trustee Fast (probable): funny date because September 30th is the date of our next meeting which would be

[0:34:39] Trustee Fast (probable): tight to turn it around

[0:34:40] Voice 8: but

[0:34:41] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm not sure what's the interest of trustees this is

[0:34:47] Trustee Fast (probable): about halkett bay and their request to um rename it do

[0:34:52] Trustee Fast (probable): you want to speak first trustee stamford

[0:34:54] Trustee Fast (probable): did you want me i

[0:34:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): can i just have some general statements this has been a item of interest for

[0:35:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): several years um in that especially in that area um locally we all tend to call this doc

[0:35:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): We don't call it Halkett Bay Dock, only because there is already a Halkett Bay Dock.

[0:35:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): So, you know, to me it's a very straightforward support to the local community to provide clarity for emergency services.

[0:35:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I'm supportive of the idea of local First Nations coming up with an alternative name,

[0:35:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): given the history of FERCM itself, the name itself.

[0:35:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): So yeah, I just have some general supportive

[0:35:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): that this is just part of the process

[0:35:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): that we are a referral on this.

[0:35:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so you support the idea of renaming it?

[0:35:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[0:35:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, great, thank you.

[0:36:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Rogers.

[0:36:01] Trustee Fast (probable): And

[0:36:02] Trustee Fast (probable): I strongly support renaming it.

[0:36:04] Trustee Fast (probable): And I think we should write them as a referral response

[0:36:08] Trustee Fast (probable): and strongly encourage them to rename it along an Indigenous line.

[0:36:16] Trustee Fast (probable): I didn't know the history of Furcombe, the name Furcombe,

[0:36:21] Trustee Fast (probable): and now that I see the history of the name Furcombe,

[0:36:23] Trustee Fast (probable): I think, and given the strong interest in Gambier

[0:36:31] Trustee Fast (probable): as the heart of this Gohomish territory,

[0:36:34] Trustee Fast (probable): territory, it would be appropriate to, and given that there is a welcome figure at the

[0:36:45] Trustee Fast (probable): top of that dock, which was a great project, I think between the camp and the Squamish

[0:36:56] Trustee Fast (probable): nation, I could be wrong about that, but I'm certain odds, I think we should strongly suggest

[0:37:04] Trustee Fast (probable): but suggest that they work with the Squamish people

[0:37:07] Trustee Fast (probable): and come up with an appropriate Indigenous name,

[0:37:11] Trustee Fast (probable): that we would support that.

[0:37:13] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm quite prepared to make a motion to that effect,

[0:37:18] Trustee Fast (probable): or we can leave it till September the 30th

[0:37:20] Trustee Fast (probable): and make that motion.

[0:37:21] Trustee Fast (probable): But I would really, that's my view on this.

[0:37:24] Trustee Fast (probable): So

[0:37:25] Trustee Fast (probable): let's do it now.

[0:37:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Please go ahead.

[0:37:28] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'd move that, and I'm sorry,

[0:37:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Sorry, I didn't prepare anything in advance, Diane.

[0:37:35] Trustee Fast (probable): I move that the local trust committee

[0:37:40] Voice 8: request a letter from the chair

[0:37:45] Voice 8: be

[0:37:47] Trustee Fast (probable): sent to the SCRD supporting a renaming

[0:37:55] Trustee Fast (probable): of the Halcott

[0:37:58] Voice 8: Bay dock or Halcott dock, I guess it's called.

[0:38:06] Voice 8: And supporting the SCRD to consult, to work, to

[0:38:23] Trustee Fast (probable): sorry, to work with local First Nations to develop an appropriate name.

[0:38:34] Trustee Fast (probable): name i guess i shouldn't assume this this is one of the sorry and so i'll just stop there and just

[0:38:42] Trustee Fast (probable): say one of the reasons i say that is is i should never assume what what the the first nations

[0:38:48] Trustee Fast (probable): might suggest uh you know that's up to them uh but um uh that would be my i mean i i would assume

[0:38:59] Trustee Fast (probable): they would want to give it an Indigenous name, place name, but I don't know that. So I should

[0:39:05] Trustee Fast (probable): not assume that. So, so Diane, if you could read that back, I can try and correct any,

[0:39:10] Trustee Fast (probable): any off-campus errors I made.

[0:39:14] Voice 5: It was moved and seconded that the Gambier Island Local Trust

[0:39:17] Voice 5: Committee request a letter from the chair be sent to the SCRD supporting a renaming of the

[0:39:23] Voice 5: hawk at bay dock and supporting the scrd to work with local first nations to develop an appropriate

[0:39:29] Voice 5: name i

[0:39:33] Trustee Fast (probable): guess that should say for the dog at the

[0:39:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): end yeah

[0:39:37] Trustee Fast (probable): can

[0:39:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): i just make a friendly amendment

[0:39:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): that it absolutely scrd hulk at bay dock as there are is another hulk at dock so just to confirm the

[0:39:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): too okay

[0:39:53] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you and are you seconding the motion yes i am thank you so we've got a motion

[0:39:58] Trustee Fast (probable): moved and seconded uh any more discussion no okay then i'll call the question all those in favor

[0:40:07] Trustee Fast (probable): one two three hands went up thank you and uh very good um now

[0:40:12] Trustee Fast (probable): i'll just say i'll just say yeah who's

[0:40:16] Trustee Fast (probable): going to draft the letter i'm

[0:40:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): i can draft the letter

[0:40:19] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm

[0:40:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): happy to do that and then between

[0:40:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): Between ChairFast and myself, we can make that happen, okay?

[0:40:25] Trustee Fast (probable): And there is a new process.

[0:40:27] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't know if you've had a chance to use it, ChairFast,

[0:40:30] Trustee Fast (probable): where you go through Mike Richards to get letters prepared.

[0:40:33] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't know if you've seen that yet.

[0:40:35] Trustee Fast (probable): No.

[0:40:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes, I was looking forward to doing that for the first time,

[0:40:39] Trustee Fast (probable): but this is great.

[0:40:40] Trustee Fast (probable): I'll take draft letter to Kate Louise.

[0:40:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:40:46] Trustee Fast (probable): And good.

[0:40:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Thanks, everybody.

[0:40:49] Trustee Fast (probable): And then we'll move on then to 9.1,

[0:40:53] Trustee Fast (probable): we're at 11 12 does anybody need a break before probably not before we start no but just in case

[0:40:59] Trustee Fast (probable): okay then uh 9.1 is keats island um shoreline protection project uh take it away planner

[0:41:08] Trustee Fast (probable): this is starting

[0:41:10] Trustee Fast (probable): on page whoops uh 13 of the addendum is that correct that's right thank you

[0:41:15] Voice 2: sure yeah

[0:41:15] Voice 2: um yeah so this staff report uh is presenting the draft bylaws number 153 and 154

[0:41:25] Voice 2: which would amend the keats island official community plan and land use bylaw to establish

[0:41:29] Voice 2: a development permit area for the shoreline and amend siting and marine structure regulations

[0:41:35] Voice 2: specifically citing for natural boundary setbacks um as directed by the ltc at the april 2021

[0:41:42] Voice 2: 21 business meeting the draft bylaws have been forwarded to Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh nation

[0:41:49] Voice 2: for review and comment staff have received a comment comments from Tsleil-Waututh nation

[0:41:54] Voice 2: and these have been included in the staff report the comments indicate general support

[0:41:58] Voice 2: and direct attention to she shelt nation's doc guidelines and to date staff have not received

[0:42:06] Voice 2: received comment from Squamish Nation. Changes to the Draft By-law 153, which is the amendments

[0:42:14] Voice 2: to the OCP, so these are just changes since April to the draft, are detailed on the table

[0:42:21] Voice 2: on page 16 of the addendum package. I just want to make sure that's right. These include

[0:42:29] Voice 2: increasing the shoreline DPA location or application area to 15 meters upland, measure from the

[0:42:35] Voice 2: natural boundary which had previously been 7.5 meters um and a minor correction was made to the

[0:42:42] Voice 2: draft bylaw number 153 which is not shown in the table but is shown on attachment two of the

[0:42:49] Voice 2: addendum package um and it is in to do with citing of local government act uh regulations so that's

[0:42:58] Voice 2: a minor uh correction um changes to the draft bylaw number 154 which would amend the land use

[0:43:04] Voice 2: bylaw are also detailed in a table starting on what is it 18 of the addendum package

[0:43:13] Voice 2: changes include increasing the setback from the natural boundary to 15 meters and reducing the

[0:43:20] Voice 2: size number and type of structures exempted from that setback additional changes have been made to

[0:43:25] Voice 2: the draft bylaw since the original staff report in the agenda package and these are in attachment

[0:43:33] Voice 2: attachment two sorry attachment three of the addendum package um and these are in relation to

[0:43:41] Voice 2: decreasing the ramp width and decreasing the size of docks and our dock floats in the m2 zone

[0:43:50] Voice 2: um mooring buoys have been removed from the exempted activities staff report details the

[0:43:55] Voice 2: reasons for originally including mooring buoys as exempt and note the current federal provincial

[0:44:00] Voice 2: and local government regulatory scheme related to mooring buoys. The LTC may direct staff to

[0:44:06] Voice 2: include additional regulations related to mooring buoys. And just briefly, the amendments,

[0:44:14] Voice 2: sorry, there's amendments to the project charter under the work plan overview, just in relation to

[0:44:20] Voice 2: the estimated timeline of the project. And the LTC is asked to endorse these revisions.

[0:44:25] Voice 2: staff have reviewed the draft bylaws number 153 and 154 with the island's trust policy statement

[0:44:30] Voice 2: directive directives only checklist and find the draft bylaws to not be contrary or at variance to

[0:44:35] Voice 2: the island's trust policy statement and are recommending first readings of both bylaws and

[0:44:41] Voice 2: let the bylaws be referred to the identified agencies and first nations

[0:44:47] Voice 2: in in the recommendation so i'll just leave it at that and go back up here okay good thank you

[0:44:55] Voice 2: thank

[0:44:55] Trustee Fast (probable): you for the introduction and for uh sharing your screen there um how is that screen sharing

[0:45:01] Trustee Fast (probable): working for you folks sometimes when you have low bandwidth i know it flashes for people

[0:45:06] Trustee Fast (probable): is that okay trustees i'm seeing nodding good good thank you just checking in uh about that

[0:45:13] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh questions for the planner trustees go ahead trustee rogers okay

[0:45:24] Trustee Fast (probable): um i do have a couple

[0:45:27] Trustee Fast (probable): of questions um and and i and i have some some comments but i'll i'll wait till we get to the uh

[0:45:35] Trustee Fast (probable): the comments in a in a moment um could you just explain first of all i mean i as i was trying to

[0:45:46] Trustee Fast (probable): figure out and maybe i just missed it but i want to make sure it's clear about the mooring boys

[0:45:52] Trustee Fast (probable): um is i i read your report about that and my understanding of reading the report about them

[0:45:58] Trustee Fast (probable): was that you were effectively saying we shouldn't regulate mooring boys um but perhaps i misunderstood

[0:46:06] Trustee Fast (probable): that because you're now saying you've removed them from the exemption so i'm wondering what

[0:46:13] Trustee Fast (probable): would be the outcome of of that removal from the exemptions yeah

[0:46:18] Voice 2: thank you uh trustee rogers um so

[0:46:21] Voice 2: essentially i'm saying without saying it's difficult to regulate mooring boys um

[0:46:29] Voice 2: um they they're currently permitted in most of the marine-based area zones around the island um so

[0:46:37] Voice 2: the development permit area within the marine area could include some guidelines

[0:46:44] Voice 2: to regulate the placement of mooring buoys but it's i'm going to be difficult to regulate um

[0:46:54] Voice 2: Yeah, that's essentially what I'm saying. And there is one guideline that encourages the eelgrass friendly use but I've looked at many development permit areas, and many other local governments and I've come across one development permit area that

[0:47:15] Voice 2: that regulates mooring buoys in lakes

[0:47:18] Voice 2: in Shishwa Regional District.

[0:47:21] Voice 2: And I've reached out to them to find out

[0:47:24] Voice 2: how that works for them, but I have not heard back.

[0:47:26] Voice 2: So that's

[0:47:27] Trustee Fast (probable): the only-

[0:47:28] Trustee Fast (probable): My question may not have been clear.

[0:47:30] Voice 2: What

[0:47:31] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm trying to figure out is

[0:47:32] Trustee Fast (probable): by removing mooring buoys as an exemption,

[0:47:37] Trustee Fast (probable): that's what I understood you to just say,

[0:47:40] Trustee Fast (probable): are we then regulating them or not regulating them?

[0:47:45] Voice 2: they're they're regulated within the land use bylaw for being permitted um but

[0:47:53] Voice 2: like we can we can put in setbacks or something

[0:47:59] Trustee Fast (probable): like that but i'm not asking you i'm not asking

[0:48:01] Trustee Fast (probable): you to give me options i'm just asking you to if we approved what you've now put before us

[0:48:08] Trustee Fast (probable): does that mean we are regulating them or aren't regulating yeah

[0:48:12] Voice 2: they're they're not exempted so

[0:48:14] Voice 2: So they would require a development permit, but how that looks is difficult.

[0:48:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[0:48:21] Trustee Fast (probable): So, because as I read your explanation about all of this, I came to the conclusion of,

[0:48:31] Trustee Fast (probable): oh, you're basically telling us it's too hard to regulate these, so don't regulate.

[0:48:37] Trustee Fast (probable): And I think what with the direction we, and then you said, if you want to regulate them

[0:48:41] Trustee Fast (probable): more than maybe you can put some provisions.

[0:48:43] Trustee Fast (probable): And so I sort of assumed from reading it that they were removed from that you were proposing that we remove them from the requirement for a DPA or a development permit.

[0:48:54] Trustee Fast (probable): But am I now hearing you say that that by what you proposed, we are would require a development permit for a mooring buoyant?

[0:49:03] Voice 2: Yeah. So how they're considered in the land use file is their structure and they would be regulated, but it's going to be difficult to enforce.

[0:49:10] Voice 2: force then

[0:49:11] Trustee Fast (probable): why would we why would we do that so

[0:49:15] Voice 2: there's some feedback from community members that

[0:49:19] Voice 2: you know the mooring boys have been an issue especially in specific areas around keats so

[0:49:25] Voice 2: you know there's you know there's no examples that have helped to create more regulations

[0:49:32] Voice 2: so you know staff's looking for direction from the ltc but this can be looked into further

[0:49:37] Voice 2: there yeah

[0:49:39] Trustee Fast (probable): okay well so i misunderstood your staff report because i thought your staff report

[0:49:45] Trustee Fast (probable): was recommending that we not try and regulate more employees but what i hearing you say now is that

[0:49:51] Trustee Fast (probable): because you of all the reasons you give about that what happens in other local trust areas

[0:49:57] Trustee Fast (probable): etc can you just point me to the section of of of of the the draft bylaw where these actually

[0:50:05] Trustee Fast (probable): effectively are regulated and would require a dpa because that's the part i've been i've been

[0:50:16] Trustee Fast (probable): trying to piece this together and i i'm sorry maybe i should be able to but i i can't well

[0:50:23] Trustee Fast (probable): jamie's looking for that i'll just say it is a confusing area i know from um the work we've done

[0:50:29] Trustee Fast (probable): on bowen and i'm just looking at page 19 where it looks like she's removed mooring buoys from the

[0:50:35] Trustee Fast (probable): the exemptions list yeah

[0:50:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): and

[0:50:39] Trustee Fast (probable): um but and

[0:50:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): then you say it's a structure somewhere later on

[0:50:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): right effectively a structure so

[0:50:48] Trustee Fast (probable): it says it says have removed placement of mooring boys from the

[0:50:51] Trustee Fast (probable): exemptions on dp3 and have included a guideline of seagrass friendly mooring boys that reduce

[0:50:58] Trustee Fast (probable): scouring to the result to include additional regulations so i'm not quite sure where that

[0:51:04] Trustee Fast (probable): that leaves us because I, frankly,

[0:51:09] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't think it's possible for us

[0:51:12] Trustee Fast (probable): to require a development permit application

[0:51:14] Trustee Fast (probable): for a mooring boy.

[0:51:16] Trustee Fast (probable): However, I also do think it would be a good thing

[0:51:19] Trustee Fast (probable): to have areas where mooring boys are not permitted

[0:51:24] Trustee Fast (probable): and some guidelines around the appropriate types

[0:51:29] Trustee Fast (probable): of structure of types of mooring boys

[0:51:32] Trustee Fast (probable): that would encourage the type that do not scour the sea bottom.

[0:51:38] Trustee Fast (probable): So right now, mooring buoys are not allowed in marine conservation areas, correct?

[0:51:49] Voice 1: Yeah, I have a list of where they are permitted,

[0:51:52] Voice 2: but I'd have to go back and look at the 90s pilot to see where they're not.

[0:51:58] Voice 2: I'm looking at page

[0:51:58] Trustee Fast (probable): 22. Is that where you're looking at the top there?

[0:52:01] Voice 2: Yeah, I'll go to that right now.

[0:52:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[0:52:09] Voice 1: Where is it? There it is, right here.

[0:52:11] Voice 1: so this is where they're permitted right

[0:52:19] Trustee Fast (probable): in the cr1 cd1 rural rc p12 m1 m2 and mc but not in the

[0:52:27] Trustee Fast (probable): marine conservation zones that's

[0:52:29] Voice 2: right and

[0:52:30] Trustee Fast (probable): we haven't yet finished the eelgrass mapping in

[0:52:37] Trustee Fast (probable): terms of of the extent of the beds we know the location of some of them and of course they move

[0:52:42] Trustee Fast (probable): around yeah to

[0:52:43] Trustee Fast (probable): a certain extent so i guess what i'm asking is i guess i'm not very i think it's

[0:52:50] Trustee Fast (probable): it would be a mistake or probably it would be very problematic to try and um regulate mooring

[0:53:01] Trustee Fast (probable): boards as a structure actually to uh require a development permit for every mooring boy

[0:53:07] Trustee Fast (probable): um and it's interesting because the island is is it the way it's developed is

[0:53:16] Trustee Fast (probable): is one side of the island is full of docks and the other side of the island is full of mooring boys

[0:53:23] Trustee Fast (probable): um and and that's not exclusively true there are some mooring boys in other on the other side and

[0:53:32] Trustee Fast (probable): And there are some docks on the on the eastern side.

[0:53:36] Trustee Fast (probable): But I guess I guess part of the feedback we got was from people who have docks is, oh, if you're going to regulate docks, you should regulate mooring boys because, you know, that's the alternative.

[0:53:47] Trustee Fast (probable): But what I read from your report is in a lot of other areas like Galliano and Salt Spring and and some other groups is the stewardship center for B.C.

[0:53:59] Trustee Fast (probable): is that there's actually some preference for mooring guards because they have less of an

[0:54:04] Trustee Fast (probable): impact. So I guess my question is for you is, well, my view is I think it should continue to

[0:54:11] Trustee Fast (probable): be an exempt activity, but is there a way that we can restrict them in areas where there is

[0:54:17] Trustee Fast (probable): no yield grass? And I guess that's problematic because we don't have that map, isn't it?

[0:54:24] Voice 2: Wait, yeah, thanks. So through the chair, yeah, I mean, the exemption can be written

[0:54:31] Voice 2: um to you know exempt mooring boys so long as they're not within an eelgrass meadow i mean

[0:54:38] Voice 2: that's that's you know it can be written that way and then you can go from there i mean the issue

[0:54:45] Voice 2: is is that um we're you know are we going to hop out on boats and go and make sure we know who's

[0:54:52] Trustee Fast (probable): no i mean that's impossible owner of course

[0:54:54] Voice 2: right right exactly i

[0:54:56] Trustee Fast (probable): mean it is it is one of those

[0:54:58] Trustee Fast (probable): things it's impossible to enforce so it's more about persuasion and education about mooring boys

[0:55:03] Trustee Fast (probable): and frankly there has been a little bit like rabbits on keats right now there's been a

[0:55:09] Trustee Fast (probable): proliferation of them over the last three or four years um the area where my mooring boy is there

[0:55:15] Trustee Fast (probable): were six eight years ago and there's now 24 um so it's just that most people coming now have dogs

[0:55:23] Trustee Fast (probable): so yes sorry i don't know

[0:55:26] Trustee Fast (probable): i just wanted to make sure people knew that i actually have a couple

[0:55:30] Trustee Fast (probable): of questions uh related to this um one of them is um can the word is the word meadows used with

[0:55:39] Trustee Fast (probable): eelgrass or could it be beds or patches because sometimes they're kind of small or they've been

[0:55:46] Trustee Fast (probable): been damaged already and um uh and the argument can be made that this is not a meadow so I don't

[0:55:54] Trustee Fast (probable): have to do any rules so I'll just um is what do you think is the word meadow used or planner

[0:56:03] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah

[0:56:04] Voice 2: thank you through the chair I think meadow might be just you know the term that we've used

[0:56:07] Voice 2: um internally but you're correct they are patchy and so you know it may be useful to look you know

[0:56:15] Voice 2: contact the Islands Trust Conservancy staff to see what the scientific, you know, the official

[0:56:22] Voice 2: formal term is to make sure we're using the correct term.

[0:56:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Great, and I don't want to make

[0:56:28] Trustee Fast (probable): any amendments today, that's fine. My question about mooring buoys is, I understand a lot of

[0:56:34] Trustee Fast (probable): the damage is because of the anchor chain, the chain that connects the anchor to the buoy and

[0:56:41] Trustee Fast (probable): and goes up and down with the tide and swings around in a circle,

[0:56:44] Trustee Fast (probable): especially when there's a boat on it,

[0:56:46] Trustee Fast (probable): scouring or scraping the eelgrass off the bottom.

[0:56:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Is there a way that if we chose to follow the practice of putting a float

[0:56:57] Trustee Fast (probable): into the chain so that the chain was suspended off the bottom and that it

[0:57:05] Trustee Fast (probable): couldn't do so much damage to the eelgrass,

[0:57:07] Trustee Fast (probable): is that something that um a land use bylaw could include um

[0:57:15] Voice 2: through the chair uh so land use bylaw

[0:57:18] Voice 2: regulations wouldn't specifically but um be able to regulate that but that's where the development

[0:57:24] Voice 2: permit area guidelines could but then you know so then we're talking about regulating them so

[0:57:29] Voice 2: in the exemption maybe the exemption can speak to that you know i'd have to come back with language

[0:57:36] Voice 2: that is right

[0:57:37] Trustee Fast (probable): i mean just to follow up on that if i may madam chair is is you could put a language

[0:57:43] Trustee Fast (probable): that says mooring boys uh that are equipped with with uh uh non non sea floor scouring chains or

[0:57:54] Trustee Fast (probable): something like that i

[0:57:55] Trustee Fast (probable): mean you could do that um i mean the problem is is i mean none of them have

[0:58:04] Trustee Fast (probable): them right now except mine um and and that because it's relatively new technology it's important but

[0:58:14] Trustee Fast (probable): it's relatively new um so all of the existing more employees are uh don't have it um but i

[0:58:21] Trustee Fast (probable): guess that's what you know it's all new it's all new stuff anyway and

[0:58:26] Trustee Fast (probable): you know my feeling

[0:58:28] Trustee Fast (probable): is we're looking ahead with this um development permit area to the to the future and you know

[0:58:34] Trustee Fast (probable): know maybe you'll be really influential trustee uh rogers in your midline float and uh but you

[0:58:41] Trustee Fast (probable): know practices change and and uh i just don't want to give up an opportunity to regulate something

[0:58:47] Trustee Fast (probable): that might be helpful if that's what local trustees want so i'll pipe down now uh any more

[0:58:54] Trustee Fast (probable): uh questions for the planner oh

[0:58:56] Trustee Fast (probable): well i yeah and i do i'm going to but i do think we need to um

[0:59:02] Trustee Fast (probable): amend that section um can i ask a question where the um maybe i missed it and that's that's my

[0:59:12] Trustee Fast (probable): problem but i noticed that the platform in the exception and in all of the various exemptions

[0:59:19] Trustee Fast (probable): has been reduced from 10 square meters to five square meters did we did we direct that or that

[0:59:26] Trustee Fast (probable): that that comes from somewhere else?

[0:59:30] Voice 2: LTC, the LTC expressed interest

[0:59:32] Voice 2: in reducing structures in that area.

[0:59:37] Voice 2: There was, you know, not a direct resolution

[0:59:42] Voice 2: aside from the May meeting for the DVP,

[0:59:46] Voice 2: which is in relation to the actual number they set back.

[0:59:48] Voice 2: But yeah, there was discussion at the April meeting

[0:59:51] Voice 2: about reducing the size and types.

[0:59:56] Trustee Fast (probable): So, okay. So let, let, let's be.

[1:00:00] Trustee Fast (probable): absolutely clear about what these platforms are i know we talked you put a definition that they're

[1:00:05] Trustee Fast (probable): utilized for um i think you've got a definition where is that uh

[1:00:11] Voice 2: page 34 of the

[1:00:18] sorry

[1:00:19] Trustee Fast (probable): right here

[1:00:21] Voice 1: on the screen i

[1:00:22] Trustee Fast (probable): printed off the she's

[1:00:27] Trustee Fast (probable): got it on the screen all right okay

[1:00:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Yeah. So just so we're all clear, these platforms generally are not used for loading and unloading supplies.

[1:00:41] Trustee Fast (probable): They're used for recreational purposes and for people to access their docks.

[1:00:51] Trustee Fast (probable): So generally what happens, and you will have seen this on the work around the island,

[1:00:57] Trustee Fast (probable): island there'll be a set of stairs that comes down to a landing area which might be it might be

[1:01:05] Trustee Fast (probable): might be um uh you know two meters by by six meters or two meters by five meters

[1:01:14] Trustee Fast (probable): and then there'll be a ramp from there down to their dock um or some people that don't have a

[1:01:22] Trustee Fast (probable): dock just put a just put a platform down there um and i mean they might use it to unload stuff

[1:01:30] Trustee Fast (probable): but they often will just sit there recreational and i think we just need to be clear uh that if

[1:01:38] Trustee Fast (probable): if we're going to say no unless you're using it for accessing or egressing the the area and

[1:01:44] Trustee Fast (probable): unloading supplies uh you can't have a platform down by the water um and and how big it should

[1:01:52] Trustee Fast (probable): be so i i'm not taking a position on this one way or another but i just want to let you know that a

[1:01:59] Trustee Fast (probable): lot of people use it to go and take chairs and sit down there and and sit by the water and i not i

[1:02:07] Trustee Fast (probable): don't know what how i feel about that particularly i'm not really opposed to it as long as they're

[1:02:14] Trustee Fast (probable): limited in size um and in many cases as i said a lot of people use it as their landing area for

[1:02:21] Trustee Fast (probable): their dock as well. As I read this, you would only envision it being used as a unloading and

[1:02:35] Trustee Fast (probable): loading of material supplies and you'd have to add people because people would come in and off

[1:02:41] Trustee Fast (probable): the dock too because sometimes you just drop passengers off. If you allow it for that,

[1:02:48] Trustee Fast (probable): why don't you allow people to sit on it

[1:02:51] Voice 2: right um so yep this is a definition that's been used

[1:02:55] Voice 2: on another island um but that that being said it's a draft so it can be it can be expanded

[1:03:01] Voice 2: to include you know recreational activities that sort of thing um and obviously to provide access

[1:03:07] Voice 2: for people as well um so yeah there's i'm aware that there are people who use those platforms or

[1:03:14] Voice 2: decks for other reasons than offloading um yeah the intent is to be clear that they're not building

[1:03:25] Voice 2: you know full-scale decks with

[1:03:27] Trustee Fast (probable): structures

[1:03:28] Voice 2: on top absolutely

[1:03:29] Trustee Fast (probable): right absolutely and i'm just trying to

[1:03:31] Trustee Fast (probable): imagine what a what a five square meter landing area looks like it's you know if it's two meters

[1:03:37] Trustee Fast (probable): by two and a half that's six i'm still old enough to think in feet that's six feet by eight feet

[1:03:45] Trustee Fast (probable): which is pretty small um but okay um and my last question is i noted i i mean clearly i mean i have

[1:03:54] Trustee Fast (probable): some comments but clearly a lot of the um the challenges this is is are in the details of the

[1:04:02] Trustee Fast (probable): dpa right one of the things

[1:04:05] Trustee Fast (probable): i noticed in regards to um it is regards to two of the exemptions 2k

[1:04:14] Trustee Fast (probable): K, which is, and other parts, is one of the things I think people would like some comfort

[1:04:29] Trustee Fast (probable): around.

[1:04:29] Trustee Fast (probable): I mean, there's lots of comments we've received around tree trimming, et cetera.

[1:04:36] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:04:37] Trustee Fast (probable): But in many cases, people need to remove trees in order to, it's not necessarily an emergency,

[1:04:44] Trustee Fast (probable): but as prior fire prevention, as part of their fire smart program.

[1:04:49] Trustee Fast (probable): um and whether that be dead boughs or whether it be trees that are are problematic from a fire

[1:04:57] Trustee Fast (probable): smart and i i just think that i just think that we should always create an exemption for people to

[1:05:02] Trustee Fast (probable): remove vegetation that enhances the fire smoke ready part of there and i and i don't know whether

[1:05:09] Trustee Fast (probable): you had envisioned that by k um or whether i or whether you were really only dealing with

[1:05:17] Trustee Fast (probable): emergency removal yeah

[1:05:20] Voice 2: it's yeah it's speaking specifically to um you know emergencies but not

[1:05:26] Voice 2: so much emergency removal so yeah the wording can be tweaked certainly i see the word prevent

[1:05:33] Voice 2: in there yeah yeah

[1:05:35] Trustee Fast (probable): but it says emergency works that's what caught my eye yeah

[1:05:38] Trustee Fast (probable): emergency

[1:05:39] Voice 2: prevention works so

[1:05:43] Trustee Fast (probable): i you know

[1:05:45] Trustee Fast (probable): i i think it should i think there should clearly

[1:05:47] Trustee Fast (probable): be an ability to remove vegetation that is a fire hazard whether there's a current emergency or not.

[1:05:56] Trustee Fast (probable): So I just think that that's an issue. Now I have some process questions but perhaps I'll

[1:06:03] Trustee Fast (probable): stop talking for a moment before we and let other people ask questions about the content.

[1:06:11] Trustee Fast (probable): I've asked my questions. Kate Lee-Stamford do you have any questions?

[1:06:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Well,

[1:06:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): the one around the emergency and, you know, those specifics about what is and is not permitted was really where I was going.

[1:06:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): Any way that we can simplify it in language to help people be more comfortable in what this would entail.

[1:06:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): um i my questions are more sort of big picture in um the response to the 15 meter

[1:06:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): um expansion of the dpa um what does that mean i was more thinking about what trustee rogers is

[1:06:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): considering he did warn us that this would be um a problem and it's more a comment rather than a

[1:07:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): question is people have on keats have been fairly encouraged by the process to date and whether or

[1:07:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): not um it's worth losing the goodwill of the community by um putting in the 50 meter um dpa

[1:07:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): as it looks right now and there if what alternatives there may be to simplifying it and

[1:07:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): And because really the intent of that was to support better protection around high water

[1:07:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): mark, which I think is just going to get more and more worse.

[1:07:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): I feel that we really need to deal with that.

[1:07:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): And yet I do really recognize that the impact this would have on small properties around

[1:07:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): Keats.

[1:07:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): So it's more sort of that bigger picture rather than specific questions.

[1:07:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): So that's really what my comments were about.

[1:08:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so go ahead, Trustee Rogers.

[1:08:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so we're now into the 15-meter and the process going forward.

[1:08:12] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'm mindful of something actually the CAO has said is about the trust policy statement where he says, you know, we think we've done a really good job of community consultation and we've been involved and gotten out there and spent a lot of time and energy.

[1:08:33] Trustee Fast (probable): But there's a number of people that think we haven't. And if the community thinks that they're right, is that, you know, this has been on our agenda for two and a half to three years.

[1:08:46] Trustee Fast (probable): And I was explaining to someone, we did a community consultation in the summer of 2019.

[1:08:53] Trustee Fast (probable): We did an open house on Keats and we did another one in West Vancouver.

[1:08:58] Trustee Fast (probable): We created the working group. The working group worked for a couple a year.

[1:09:03] Trustee Fast (probable): um they sort of finished their work last august september we had a staff report regarding their

[1:09:10] Trustee Fast (probable): work we did some draft language in february we brought a draft bylaw in april um so all of this

[1:09:17] Trustee Fast (probable): has been done out online but apparently you know a number of people now as always the the details

[1:09:23] Trustee Fast (probable): are what count so we now have the bylaw uh draft bylaw proposed for screening and that catches

[1:09:30] Trustee Fast (probable): everybody's attention plus we've amended the seven and a half meters to 15 which is a fairly

[1:09:35] Trustee Fast (probable): now you know that's a fairly um major change because it catches a whole bunch more stuff

[1:09:42] Trustee Fast (probable): that wasn't caught by the seven and a half now first of all there is there are a lot of structures

[1:09:48] Trustee Fast (probable): particularly on the west side of keats but also on the east side of keats but most but but mostly

[1:09:54] Trustee Fast (probable): on the west side of Keats, the side facing the Sunshine Coast and Gibsons that are all in the

[1:10:03] Trustee Fast (probable): setback. There's a lot of structures in there and that's a historical development. It's partly

[1:10:11] Trustee Fast (probable): because of the topography and partly because the land use contract and the way that the Keats

[1:10:17] Trustee Fast (probable): landing was developed and partly because of um as i said the topography and and and partly because

[1:10:24] Trustee Fast (probable): some of the lots are very small not so much on that side although they will be with keats landing

[1:10:28] Trustee Fast (probable): but all but on on the eastbourne side a lot of the lots are very small um and so it's it's

[1:10:37] Trustee Fast (probable): problematic in terms of of of um creating new rules for existing you know existing development

[1:10:46] Trustee Fast (probable): development uh as opposed to new development having said that um you know we have lots of

[1:10:53] Trustee Fast (probable): things we need to think about into the future going forward um so all of which is to say uh

[1:11:00] Trustee Fast (probable): we've now clearly captured the attention of some of the folks in plumper cove but we really haven't

[1:11:07] Trustee Fast (probable): heard from keats landing yet uh which i think we're going to uh or from eastbourne yet and i

[1:11:13] Trustee Fast (probable): think we're going to um because people are going to say okay how does this impact what i can do on

[1:11:19] Trustee Fast (probable): my particular property um but my point is i think we really need to get this into community

[1:11:27] Trustee Fast (probable): uh and consultation and and information sessions sooner rather than later yeah and

[1:11:35] Trustee Fast (probable): um we're ready to go now okay uh and i i mean i'll just say this for the record but the

[1:11:43] Trustee Fast (probable): I think that the working group very clearly identified some issues.

[1:11:48] Trustee Fast (probable): I think that the working groups came to a consensus around, yes, probably a DPA is the way to go.

[1:11:58] Trustee Fast (probable): And then said, of course, what's contained in it is going to be what's challenged.

[1:12:03] Trustee Fast (probable): And that's where we're at.

[1:12:04] Trustee Fast (probable): We're at that challenging stage where things are contained in the DPA that some people are going, oh, that's problematic for me.

[1:12:12] Trustee Fast (probable): so um and fair enough and that's where we are so i think this needs to get into community

[1:12:18] Trustee Fast (probable): um and figure out a way to sort of do some consultation and i'll be coming back to that

[1:12:23] Trustee Fast (probable): when we get to the project charter i think we need to go this fall not over the winter i think

[1:12:28] Trustee Fast (probable): we need to get it out there and have some consultation uh now and get some feedback

[1:12:34] Trustee Fast (probable): on some specific issues and and i i'm sorry i know i'm talking a lot but i'm going to say one

[1:12:39] Trustee Fast (probable): more thing i was struck by um the ocp amendments because i would bet i would bet that every almost

[1:12:50] Trustee Fast (probable): every single person on keats would have would would uh agree that the objectives 3.1 to 3.6

[1:13:00] Trustee Fast (probable): which are on page 30 of the yeah those ones thank you for that i bet they'd all agree with

[1:13:06] Trustee Fast (probable): those almost everybody um would agree with those objectives and and uh you know they might have the

[1:13:14] Trustee Fast (probable): odd person who didn't but those objectives are very well written and so it's just going to be

[1:13:19] Trustee Fast (probable): it's just it's going to be how it's implemented that's going to be the consideration and there

[1:13:25] Trustee Fast (probable): is obviously some some i don't say misunderstanding but uh concern about how they would fix up their

[1:13:32] Trustee Fast (probable): cabin and how they would do this and how they would do that and can they build a little tiny

[1:13:37] Trustee Fast (probable): shed off the back if it's 15 meters versus seven and a half um i have i'd like to make a couple of

[1:13:43] Trustee Fast (probable): amendments i'd like to then hear other points of view as to whether we should give it first reading

[1:13:48] Trustee Fast (probable): or whether we should just take it out for community consultation as it is right now

[1:13:53] Trustee Fast (probable): um and uh and then i and then uh i think we need to talk about how we do that community consult

[1:13:59] Trustee Fast (probable): So how we do that community engagement consultation in the fall, not the winter, but in the fall.

[1:14:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Trustee Rogers.

[1:14:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Stamford, what's your feeling about first reading or not, or any of the things that Trustee Rogers mentioned?

[1:14:20] Trustee Fast (probable): well

[1:14:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): it it i i really want to honor the the community itself and how they may respond to

[1:14:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): this because like i said before i think the level of engagement and the process to date

[1:14:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): has been quite positive um and this has gone quite well i don't want to lose that in in really

[1:14:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): throwing something that wasn't expected into the the mix and that's really the 15 versus the 7.5

[1:14:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): for that one reason um it would be worthwhile floating this out prior to first reason

[1:15:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): reading but on the other hand i really think that first reading is our way of saying here's where

[1:15:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): we're thinking give us feedback and that's that really important distinction there so um yeah i

[1:15:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): i think it's ready to go in which case then it's first reading yeah

[1:15:29] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you i i agree with you

[1:15:32] Trustee Fast (probable): um trustee stamford but i uh i remember going to one to a meeting before i was even uh elected

[1:15:42] Trustee Fast (probable): back in the previous term where this local trust committee was discussing the possibility of this

[1:15:49] Trustee Fast (probable): project so it's there's been so much work gone into it and and so much good work on the part of

[1:15:55] Trustee Fast (probable): the volunteers and everybody who's contributed so far that I would like to get it out there I

[1:16:01] Trustee Fast (probable): like the idea of getting it out sooner and but of course it's I'm not a local trustee and I don't

[1:16:08] Trustee Fast (probable): know the issues of the communities as well.

[1:16:11] Trustee Fast (probable): So trustee Rogers, did you want to propose some changes

[1:16:15] Trustee Fast (probable): or some motions?

[1:16:16] Trustee Fast (probable): I actually do.

[1:16:22] Trustee Fast (probable): The two that I think I would like,

[1:16:26] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm pretty certain I'd like to make

[1:16:28] Trustee Fast (probable): and then the remainder I think would be subject

[1:16:32] Trustee Fast (probable): to community input at this stage.

[1:16:37] Trustee Fast (probable): I'd like to move that

[1:16:45] Trustee Fast (probable): bylaw 154 be amended by

[1:16:55] Voice 8: adding um mooring boys back into the exemption list yeah

[1:17:05] Voice 9: and i think

[1:17:15] Voice 8: i'm going to leave it

[1:17:16] Trustee Fast (probable): as simple as that for now because um i think we may want to consider whether

[1:17:23] Trustee Fast (probable): at some point the the um we want to put some qualifier on the mooring boys but i'm a little

[1:17:30] Trustee Fast (probable): concerned about that given that we don't have all of the data that we need to be able to

[1:17:35] Trustee Fast (probable): to do that and if there could be a practice note somewhere related to mooring boys an education

[1:17:40] Trustee Fast (probable): process as opposed to a regulatory process around mooring boys that that would be my preference at

[1:17:46] Trustee Fast (probable): this stage so i'm going to make that motion i don't know if uh um you've got it diane diane got

[1:17:54] Trustee Fast (probable): it i

[1:17:54] Voice 5: do uh that bylaw number 154 be amended by adding more boys back into the exemption list

[1:18:02] Trustee Fast (probable): and i guess that's um where is that um

[1:18:08] Trustee Fast (probable): where would that i'll get

[1:18:11] Voice 2: it up i'll get it up where would it

[1:18:12] Voice 2: go

[1:18:12] Trustee Fast (probable): jamie would it go into exemptions too yeah

[1:18:16] Voice 2: under 9.3.2 in appendix one of bylaw and would

[1:18:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Would it go into C?

[1:18:25] Voice 2: Yeah, I can see there's a wrong number at the top here.

[1:18:27] Voice 2: Yeah, I mean, it could go, it can go back into C and it can bump others down.

[1:18:32] Voice 2: That's fine.

[1:18:33] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, it can go into C and just add I, I, I, right?

[1:18:38] Trustee Fast (probable): Yep.

[1:18:39] Voice 2: yep

[1:18:39] Trustee Fast (probable): okay so that would read that uh be added into uh 9.3 c appendix one as subparagraph iii

[1:18:57] Voice 8: nine point

[1:18:58] Trustee Fast (probable): two or nine point three sorry

[1:19:00] Trustee Fast (probable): nine point well it's nine point three point two

[1:19:04] Voice 2: right um uh just i just want to point out though that c is a relation to setback from the natural

[1:19:10] Voice 2: boundary of the sea and we're talking about the marine area so oh

[1:19:14] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm sorry i apologize i'm sorry

[1:19:16] Trustee Fast (probable): i apologize then where would it go uh

[1:19:19] Voice 2: well i mean it could be sea and it can bump everything else

[1:19:21] Voice 2: down that's as

[1:19:22] Trustee Fast (probable): easy as that

[1:19:22] Voice 2: okay

[1:19:24] Trustee Fast (probable): then that's fine so we need i guess we need the motion

[1:19:33] Voice 5: you need to read it you

[1:19:35] Trustee Fast (probable): know what i'm gonna start over again i'm gonna add i'm gonna i'm gonna start

[1:19:40] Trustee Fast (probable): sort of, I'm going to move that appendix one of bylaw number 153, 9.3.2.

[1:19:55] Trustee Fast (probable): 154 is the LUB?

[1:19:59] Voice 2: Yeah, that's a typo.

[1:20:01] Voice 2: It should be 154 at the top.

[1:20:02] Voice 2: Sorry, 154.

[1:20:03] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm reading off the page.

[1:20:04] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah

[1:20:05] Voice 2: be

[1:20:06] Trustee Fast (probable): amended by adding a new paragraph c that says mooring boys in quotations

[1:20:15] Trustee Fast (probable): and the remainder of the exemptions be re-numbered okay

[1:20:28] Trustee Fast (probable): do do you need to hear that again or

[1:20:33] Trustee Fast (probable): would you like to second that as

[1:20:35] Trustee Fast (probable): long as diane has it okay

[1:20:37] Voice 5: i'll bring my reading it again to

[1:20:39] Voice 5: make sure i got it okay go ahead uh that index one of bylaw number 154 three point or nine point

[1:20:48] Voice 5: three point two be amended by adding a new paragraph c that says mooring boys in quotation

[1:20:54] Voice 5: marks and the remainder of the exemptions be re-numbered okay

[1:21:04] Trustee Fast (probable): louise i'll

[1:21:05] Voice 10: second that thank

[1:21:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:21:07] Trustee Fast (probable): So we've got a motion that's been moved and seconded.

[1:21:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more discussion?

[1:21:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, then you're looking very thoughtful there,

[1:21:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Rogers, are you ready to-

[1:21:19] Trustee Fast (probable): No, no, I'm just thinking.

[1:21:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, all right.

[1:21:21] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to then call the question.

[1:21:23] Trustee Fast (probable): All those in favor?

[1:21:25] Trustee Fast (probable): One, two, three hands went up.

[1:21:27] Trustee Fast (probable): That passes, thank you.

[1:21:29] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm going to make a second motion,

[1:21:35] Trustee Fast (probable): which will have the same initial language,

[1:21:38] Trustee Fast (probable): i.e. amending 9.3.2, appendix one of bylaw number 154,

[1:21:45] Trustee Fast (probable): by adding a new subparagraph

[1:21:51] Trustee Fast (probable): that reads vegetation removal to prevent forest fire

[1:22:12] Trustee Fast (probable): or other

[1:22:13] Voice 8: potential emergencies.

[1:22:25] Voice 8: I have a question.

[1:22:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Would you consider using the word wildfire instead of forest? Because sometimes

[1:22:30] Trustee Fast (probable): it's the dry grasses. Sure.

[1:22:33] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Thank you.

[1:22:44] Voice 8: Okay. Do you want to hear that back? I've got it.

[1:22:49] Voice 8: Okay. So can I

[1:22:52] Trustee Fast (probable): ask a question? What would, well, let me ask, let me ask this question.

[1:23:00] Voice 8: What if we

[1:23:01] Trustee Fast (probable): just remove the word

[1:23:02] Voice 8: emergency? Yeah. From K. Yeah.

[1:23:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Because then it would read works

[1:23:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Works required to prevent, control, or reduce an immediate threat.

[1:23:17] Trustee Fast (probable): If we remove the words works, emergency and immediate would be a threat to human life,

[1:23:24] Trustee Fast (probable): the natural environment, public, including forest fire, flood, blah, blah, blah.

[1:23:29] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't know if we have any bridge repairs to do, but I don't know.

[1:23:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Planner Devano, what do you think about that?

[1:23:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Do you think that's changing the intent too much?

[1:23:40] Trustee Fast (probable): so

[1:23:46] Voice 8: yeah sorry removing emergency and then immediate yeah no

[1:23:53] Voice 2: i mean it's i mean it's

[1:23:54] Voice 2: it's not yeah it's taking out the like right now emergency and thinking in the future emergencies

[1:24:01] Voice 2: so sure um i do think that wildfire could be added as chair fast noted um i

[1:24:08] Trustee Fast (probable): just wonder if

[1:24:09] Trustee Fast (probable): that's too broad yeah

[1:24:11] Voice 2: it's fairly broad but uh i mean it

[1:24:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): alternatively it it seems to um

[1:24:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): address several of the concerns that we've heard recently about that 15 meter and if that 15 meter

[1:24:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): setback is um we're looking at the overall goals of um flood control um

[1:24:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): hopefully supportive of mitigation against archaeological disturbances and natural

[1:24:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): environment, it might help us gain that. Well, it's

[1:24:54] Trustee Fast (probable): simpler. Well, it is simpler,

[1:24:56] Trustee Fast (probable): but now I'm concerned now that you say that, because it does say flood or erosion protection

[1:25:02] Trustee Fast (probable): that would open up the door to any kind of work

[1:25:05] Trustee Fast (probable): that would, you know, be a shoreline protection

[1:25:12] Trustee Fast (probable): because the argument would always be

[1:25:14] Trustee Fast (probable): that pretty

[1:25:15] Voice 8: hard shore, right?

[1:25:18] Trustee Fast (probable): I think, no, I actually think Kay needs to stay the way it is

[1:25:23] Trustee Fast (probable): so I'm going to make my original motion

[1:25:25] Trustee Fast (probable): and we can tweak it later if we think it needs to be.

[1:25:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Because what I'm thinking of is

[1:25:29] Trustee Fast (probable): there should always be an allowance to allow people to as I said smart what's it called sorry

[1:25:37] Trustee Fast (probable): fire smart

[1:25:38] Trustee Fast (probable): fire smart their their property and

[1:25:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): that's some of the issues I'm coming up against

[1:25:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): with our sensitive ecosystem dpa across Gambier is that kind of questioning coming back so right

[1:25:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): but I will second that original motion okay

[1:25:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Diane did you get the original motion yeah I'll just

[1:26:00] Voice 5: quickly read it um that appendix one of bylaw number 154 9.3.2 be amended by adding a new

[1:26:09] Voice 5: subparagraph that reads vegetation removal to prevent wildfire or other potential emergencies

[1:26:19] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah yeah

[1:26:20] Trustee Fast (probable): and that that works for me because that also allows people to take down

[1:26:25] Trustee Fast (probable): um they call them widow makers the you know danger limbs etc etc etc without any

[1:26:32] Trustee Fast (probable): kind of restriction. So I'll move that. I think

[1:26:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Kate Louise, I think it's already. Okay. You're

[1:26:40] Trustee Fast (probable): moving that. Kate Louise, can you confirm that you second that? Thank you. That's moved and

[1:26:44] Trustee Fast (probable): seconded. Very good. Any more discussion? All right. Then I'll call the question. All those

[1:26:50] Trustee Fast (probable): in favor? One, two, and my hand goes up. That's three. That passes. Thank you very much. And

[1:26:58] Trustee Fast (probable): And Trustee Rogers, do you want to continue on the list of recommended ones or?

[1:27:06] Trustee Fast (probable): It's almost noon. We could take a break now.

[1:27:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, yeah, and I'll just just say for the record, I mean, I agree with Trustee Stanford generally that giving something first reading is just a first step and it's not an indication that that's to take it.

[1:27:22] Trustee Fast (probable): So we take a document out to the public.

[1:27:24] Trustee Fast (probable): and the only hesitation i have with that is is that we then have to take another step and explain

[1:27:33] Trustee Fast (probable): to people what first reading is and it's not necessarily a commitment to all of this and

[1:27:37] Trustee Fast (probable): it's the same thing that happened with the trust policy statement um and and i just want to confirm

[1:27:43] Trustee Fast (probable): that if we do give a first reading one of the things i'm going to insist on is that we get out

[1:27:49] Trustee Fast (probable): out into the community sooner rather than later

[1:27:52] Trustee Fast (probable): to discuss this document, these documents.

[1:27:54] Trustee Fast (probable): So, yeah.

[1:27:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Anyway, thank you, thank you for that.

[1:27:58] Trustee Fast (probable): All right, good.

[1:27:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Then let's, since it's noon, basically,

[1:28:03] Trustee Fast (probable): why don't we either decide whether to continue

[1:28:07] Trustee Fast (probable): or to break for lunch?

[1:28:12] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'll just add that I'm also concerned

[1:28:14] Trustee Fast (probable): about the referrals, like we haven't received any input

[1:28:17] Trustee Fast (probable): from Squamish Nation yet and I think anybody who's any organization that's concerned about

[1:28:23] Trustee Fast (probable): amount of staff time going into something might be waiting for first reading before they give a

[1:28:29] Trustee Fast (probable): response so I wouldn't want to delay responses from organizations like that we're hoping to

[1:28:38] Trustee Fast (probable): hear from so what's the will of the LTC you want to take a break or do you want to continue

[1:28:45] Trustee Fast (probable): you all right i'm easy

[1:28:47] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm uh i think i'm i'm ready to uh give this first reading as amended

[1:28:55] Trustee Fast (probable): okay

[1:28:57] Trustee Fast (probable): very good please carry on well

[1:28:59] Trustee Fast (probable): i'll move the gambier island local trust committee

[1:29:02] Trustee Fast (probable): bylaw number 153 cited as keats island community official community plan amendment number 1 2021

[1:29:09] Trustee Fast (probable): be read a first time as

[1:29:11] Trustee Fast (probable): amended no

[1:29:12] Trustee Fast (probable): i don't think we amended 153 oh

[1:29:14] Trustee Fast (probable): right right thank you

[1:29:15] Trustee Fast (probable): very good and kate louise i see your hand are you seconding thank you and so that's been moved

[1:29:22] Trustee Fast (probable): and seconded any more discussion can i

[1:29:26] Trustee Fast (probable): just make a comment

[1:29:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): um i want to make sure that

[1:29:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): when this goes out that trustee rogers has a plain language preamble that goes in front of it all

[1:29:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): in 14 point aerial that explains what this is and that this is just for referral and that doesn't

[1:29:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): mean that this is cast in stone yeah

[1:29:53] Trustee Fast (probable): and i did make the point in email back to one of the people

[1:29:55] Trustee Fast (probable): that wrote us that i gave the example of the the rock the

[1:30:00] Trustee Fast (probable): riparian area regulations is that we gave them first reading and then we made a number of

[1:30:04] Trustee Fast (probable): amendments to them as we worked through the community comments uh and that we're that this

[1:30:09] Trustee Fast (probable): process is all about listening now to the referral agencies and to the and to the community and the

[1:30:16] Trustee Fast (probable): people that are impacted and getting back their feedback before we consider any kind of second

[1:30:21] Trustee Fast (probable): reading um so that we can amend it going forward so it's anyway i hope people hear that and that

[1:30:28] Trustee Fast (probable): they understand but thank you for that you

[1:30:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): are going to write a preamble before it goes out to

[1:30:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): your community for

[1:30:36] Trustee Fast (probable): me yes yeah

[1:30:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): and i yeah i have some ideas anyway

[1:30:41] Trustee Fast (probable): but that's beside this motion

[1:30:43] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah to accompany this motion right so um any more discussion on this motion number one on this page

[1:30:51] Trustee Fast (probable): that's in front of us on the screen okay then uh i'm gonna call the question all those in favor

[1:30:58] Trustee Fast (probable): One, two, and my hand goes up makes three.

[1:31:01] Trustee Fast (probable): That passes unanimously.

[1:31:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much.

[1:31:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Carry on, Trustee Rogers.

[1:31:05] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to move

[1:31:06] Trustee Fast (probable): that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee

[1:31:08] Trustee Fast (probable): has reviewed the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[1:31:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Directives Only Checklist

[1:31:11] Trustee Fast (probable): and determined that bylaw number 153

[1:31:14] Trustee Fast (probable): cited as Keats Island Official Community Plan 2002

[1:31:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Amendment number 1, 2021 is not contrary

[1:31:21] Trustee Fast (probable): to our variance with the Islands Trust Policy Statement.

[1:31:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Very good.

[1:31:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Do I have a seconder?

[1:31:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Kate Louise Stamford.

[1:31:27] Trustee Fast (probable): and any discussion all those in favor one two three hands went up thank you that passes

[1:31:36] Trustee Fast (probable): unanimously i say that out loud just in case diane is not looking at the hands flashing up

[1:31:41] Trustee Fast (probable): um uh so she can capture it for the minutes carry on trustee rogers um

[1:31:50] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm going to move

[1:31:53] Trustee Fast (probable): that the gambier island local trust committee bylaw number 154 as amended cited as keats island

[1:32:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Island land use bylaw 2002 amendment number one, 2021

[1:32:03] Trustee Fast (probable): be read a first time.

[1:32:06] Trustee Fast (probable): And I see Kate Louise's hand is seconding that.

[1:32:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more discussion?

[1:32:12] Trustee Fast (probable): All those in favor?

[1:32:15] Trustee Fast (probable): One, two, three hands went up that passes unanimously.

[1:32:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:32:20] Trustee Fast (probable): And I move that

[1:32:21] Trustee Fast (probable): the Gambier Island local trust committee

[1:32:23] Trustee Fast (probable): has reviewed the Island's trust policy statement

[1:32:26] Trustee Fast (probable): directives only checklist and determine the bylaw number

[1:32:28] Trustee Fast (probable): one to 54 as amended cited as Keats Island land use bylaw

[1:32:33] Trustee Fast (probable): 2002 amendment number one 2021 is not contrary to our variance with the island's trust policy

[1:32:38] Trustee Fast (probable): statement thank

[1:32:40] Trustee Fast (probable): you and trustee stamford seconding thank you any more discussion then i'll call the

[1:32:48] Trustee Fast (probable): question all those in favor one two three hands go up thank you very much that passes unanimously

[1:32:53] Trustee Fast (probable): carry on i

[1:33:00] Voice 8: um yeah

[1:33:07] Trustee Fast (probable): i i'm just wondering if we if there's some other i don't know whether there's

[1:33:17] Trustee Fast (probable): actually any formal groups on keats beside that that we should be referring this to um i mean i

[1:33:25] Trustee Fast (probable): don't i i don't know that there is a formal plumper cove uh community group or melody point community

[1:33:32] Trustee Fast (probable): group there is an eastbourne community association um i'm not even sure that there is a there's a

[1:33:42] Trustee Fast (probable): the leaseholders group on in keats landing um and i'm wondering whether we should add those

[1:33:50] Trustee Fast (probable): to the referral uh process i'm

[1:33:55] Voice 8: seeing the planner nodding

[1:33:57] Trustee Fast (probable): um as i said i i'm i'm just not sure i

[1:34:01] Trustee Fast (probable): don't think there's actually a formal group on either plumper cove or or on melody point but i

[1:34:08] Trustee Fast (probable): could be wrong i i think there's an informal group but i don't know that there's a formal group

[1:34:13] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah plan hi

[1:34:15] Voice 2: thank you to the chair so um i'm just getting a message from rpm cower that uh

[1:34:22] Voice 2: you have the option of sending letters to property owners during the referral period if um well if

[1:34:28] Voice 2: you decide to pass first reading which just did so um so letter to property owners would be easy

[1:34:33] Voice 2: enough yeah

[1:34:35] Trustee Fast (probable): and that's fine that's that's i'm talking about actual formal referrals okay okay

[1:34:40] Trustee Fast (probable): um right now i have met i have something thoughts around that that would be under number six and how

[1:34:45] Trustee Fast (probable): we do the community outreach and um i'm just wondering if we should add the the eastbourne

[1:34:54] Trustee Fast (probable): community association and the heath landing i think they're called the leaseholders but i'm not

[1:35:03] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm not exactly sure.

[1:35:04] Trustee Fast (probable): You need

[1:35:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): to be specific.

[1:35:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): Can you not say and all community groups

[1:35:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): identify

[1:35:12] Voice 8: community groups?

[1:35:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, and of course there are other two camps too.

[1:35:19] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:35:22] Trustee Fast (probable): They should, I mean, we can send it all out,

[1:35:25] Trustee Fast (probable): but they probably should have a formal referral.

[1:35:28] Trustee Fast (probable): So can we amend

[1:35:30] Voice 8: 5A to add

[1:35:38] Voice 8: the Eastbourne Community Association

[1:35:40] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'm going to move that we amend 5A to add the Eastbourne Community Association, the Keats Landing Leaseholders

[1:35:55] Voice 8: Group, Keats Camp, and Barnabas Family Ministries, and

[1:36:14] Trustee Fast (probable): the Keats Conservation Group.

[1:36:17] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'll just say if there are other formal groups out there who are watching this that are wondering why they aren't included, I'm sorry, and I just don't know of your existence.

[1:36:35] Trustee Fast (probable): And we will, of course, be talking about individual referrals to property owners in the next section so that there's not referrals, but information going out.

[1:36:45] Trustee Fast (probable): So there will be no lack of information.

[1:36:47] Trustee Fast (probable): So I would move that those be added to A.

[1:36:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Did you get all that, Diane?

[1:36:55] Voice 8: Yes, I did. Thanks.

[1:36:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Very good. Okay, thank you. Do I have a seconder? Thank you, Kate Louise Stamford. And I'm going to propose that at some point, doesn't have to be today, that First Nations not always be second on the referral list, like environment is always the last thing in any, but anyway.

[1:37:20] Trustee Fast (probable): me okay um i have a motion moved and seconded uh any more discussion on adding these to a

[1:37:28] Trustee Fast (probable): are

[1:37:30] Trustee Fast (probable): we just voting on the amendment to add these people yeah

[1:37:34] Trustee Fast (probable): we're just voting on adding these

[1:37:36] Trustee Fast (probable): groups to a um can

[1:37:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): i can i just

[1:37:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): jump in to the chair what about the original um group that um

[1:37:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): the community or the the working working group have we made enough changes that they would

[1:37:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): like to see it come back to them well

[1:37:58] Trustee Fast (probable): they don't well i'll let the planner speak but i don't think

[1:38:01] Trustee Fast (probable): they really exist anymore yeah

[1:38:03] Voice 2: but i mean yeah we still have their contact but i would assume that

[1:38:09] Voice 2: i mean some of them will be included in some i'm assuming some of these groups um and then

[1:38:14] Voice 2: And depending on sending out to the community broadly,

[1:38:18] Voice 2: they would be captured as well.

[1:38:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, we could send, I mean,

[1:38:21] Trustee Fast (probable): I always consider this to be the formal referrals as opposed to,

[1:38:26] Trustee Fast (probable): which is a different than other than the notifications,

[1:38:29] Trustee Fast (probable): but we could add them. I mean, I know.

[1:38:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): It is there. It is our interpretation,

[1:38:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): formal interpretation of their work.

[1:38:38] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. I'm fine with that. Adding that. And it keeps,

[1:38:42] Trustee Fast (probable): the keith's foreshore working group would be the other one that would be added there

[1:38:49] Trustee Fast (probable): okay you're okay with adding that as a friendly amendment kate weas i assume yes i'm seeing

[1:38:54] Trustee Fast (probable): nodding thank you okay so that's added as a friendly amendment and uh now calling the

[1:39:01] Trustee Fast (probable): question on the whole amendment which is just to add uh all of these groups from eastbourne

[1:39:06] Trustee Fast (probable): community association down to the working group thank you one two three hands went up thank you

[1:39:11] Trustee Fast (probable): that's added to a as an amendment and

[1:39:17] Trustee Fast (probable): so if it's okay with the chair i'm just going to move

[1:39:20] Trustee Fast (probable): uh all of paragraph five as amended okay

[1:39:26] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you so this is the referring out of both 153 and

[1:39:29] Trustee Fast (probable): 154 to the following agencies and first nations including that list thank you and kate louise

[1:39:34] Trustee Fast (probable): you've seconded that thank you and um any more discussion i'll call the question although

[1:39:40] Trustee Fast (probable): the three hands went up thank you that passes unanimously as amended and um one more to go here

[1:39:49] Trustee Fast (probable): right well i want to get into that um so i if you wanted to take a break this will take a few

[1:39:56] Trustee Fast (probable): minutes because i want to talk about how we schedule so it's up to you i'm quite

[1:40:00] Trustee Fast (probable): if you

[1:40:02] Trustee Fast (probable): don't mind i'd like to take a break now and uh just because i can hear people and dogs

[1:40:07] Trustee Fast (probable): moving around and uh it's 12 11 so if we give it half an hour we come back at 12 41 right okay

[1:40:17] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you very

[1:40:18] Voice 9: much thank you

[2:04:15] Voice 3: okay well she's actually on vacation until monday the office is closed until monday but i can

[2:04:26] Voice 3: i can give him a call on monday and see if there's so if we were able to do the um

[2:04:34] Voice 3: hello

[2:10:35] Trustee Fast (probable): everybody so it's 12 41 and uh we've come back from our break to uh get back into the

[2:10:48] Trustee Fast (probable): meeting again and we're on um we're still on item 9.1 we've got a little bit more discussion to go

[2:10:56] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh we're looking we've passed motions one through five on page 13 of the addendum

[2:11:05] Trustee Fast (probable): and now we're looking at number six and who'd like to begin the discussion

[2:11:13] Trustee Fast (probable): oh i think trustee stamford would like me to start the discussion so

[2:11:17] Trustee Fast (probable): so please

[2:11:19] Trustee Fast (probable): take it away trustee you're so good at it well

[2:11:23] Trustee Fast (probable): okay so i have a question

[2:11:25] Trustee Fast (probable): and then i i would like to propose something i i see there is a just a a in italics a legal

[2:11:36] Trustee Fast (probable): review discretionary um so and that's a you know a fairly big dollar price point too so my question

[2:11:46] Trustee Fast (probable): is why would we need to do a legal review in this case and what's the recommendation of staff

[2:11:53] Trustee Fast (probable): relation to that?

[2:11:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Leonard Dubinia?

[2:11:58] Voice 2: Yeah it's I mean it's it's italicized and written discretionary

[2:12:02] Voice 2: because it's at the LTC's discretion so if there's specific areas of the proposed bylaws that

[2:12:12] Voice 2: need to be reviewed by legal, then this is the opportunity. There's nothing in the proposed

[2:12:19] Voice 2: bylaws that is not seen elsewhere in other bylaws, but yeah.

[2:12:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. So that, so, so, so far

[2:12:28] Trustee Fast (probable): there has been nothing has arisen from my point of view that would require this to go for legal

[2:12:36] Trustee Fast (probable): legal review these are all political and community discretionary sort of decisions to be made and

[2:12:42] Trustee Fast (probable): and depending on our referral responses we may have to do that but so um i'm not going to suggest

[2:12:49] Trustee Fast (probable): we need to do a legal review uh but i am going to suggest uh actually i'm going to propose that

[2:12:58] Trustee Fast (probable): that we have a form of a CIM

[2:13:04] Trustee Fast (probable): prior to any consideration of second reading.

[2:13:10] Trustee Fast (probable): And I know we've fallen into a bit of a habit

[2:13:14] Trustee Fast (probable): in the trust of having a couple of CIMs

[2:13:17] Trustee Fast (probable): as opposed to just the one that often was the case

[2:13:20] Trustee Fast (probable): with real before a public hearing.

[2:13:23] Trustee Fast (probable): But I do believe that for this particular, for bigger projects and for projects that may impact a number of people, it's important that we have a form of a community information meeting.

[2:13:39] Trustee Fast (probable): We can call it whatever we want, but a meeting where people can come and get their questions answered and there could be a presentation about what the proposal is.

[2:13:51] Trustee Fast (probable): And it could also, if we want to be, I mean, I generally think, tend to treat community information meetings as people getting questions answered and information getting to them.

[2:14:04] Trustee Fast (probable): But I guess I'd be open to the possibility of also have it as a public input session as well, subject to what my other co-trustees thought.

[2:14:17] Trustee Fast (probable): But I would like that before we even consider second, before we even scheduled second reading.

[2:14:27] Trustee Fast (probable): And because that would give the community the summer to consider it in writing and then in any formal communications with me and then or and then formal communications to the LTC.

[2:14:41] Trustee Fast (probable): see uh then an information session where people can get their questions answered uh and then we

[2:14:48] Trustee Fast (probable): can bring it back formally after all of that uh for potential and we should probably have our

[2:14:56] Trustee Fast (probable): referral responses by then as well for a second reading probably in the early winter like i'm

[2:15:01] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm thinking like October, November for a second reading

[2:15:04] Trustee Fast (probable): as opposed to in the fall.

[2:15:09] Trustee Fast (probable): So I don't know what you think about that,

[2:15:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Planner Debenham, if you have some thoughts around that

[2:15:16] Trustee Fast (probable): or the other trustees.

[2:15:20] Trustee Fast (probable): I have a question.

[2:15:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Did I hear you say you wanted to add a public meeting

[2:15:26] Trustee Fast (probable): or

[2:15:26] Voice 8: two public meetings?

[2:15:30] Trustee Fast (probable): Sorry?

[2:15:31] Trustee Fast (probable): No, what I said was,

[2:15:34] Trustee Fast (probable): was i think there should be a community information meeting um and we could add a public input session

[2:15:41] Trustee Fast (probable): as part of that if we wanted to as opposed to simply taking it during in writing or at a public

[2:15:47] Trustee Fast (probable): hearing etc uh i'd like to hear the considerations of the community we've heard a few of them around

[2:15:57] Trustee Fast (probable): around the 15 meters and around trees those seem to be the two that we've heard of most so far

[2:16:04] Trustee Fast (probable): but that's but that's only started like literally 12 hours ago well 18 hours ago so

[2:16:11] Trustee Fast (probable): uh we're going to i'm going to guess we're going to get more and um i sort of like to be able to

[2:16:18] Trustee Fast (probable): tell people we're going to come and we're going to tell you what it you know explain it to you

[2:16:23] Trustee Fast (probable): in a forum that makes some sense um and and then solicit your input so i'm sort of thinking

[2:16:32] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm thinking actually this might be an opportunity

[2:16:34] Trustee Fast (probable): to do a community information meeting

[2:16:37] Trustee Fast (probable): followed by some sort of a town hall

[2:16:42] Trustee Fast (probable): or an opportunity for public input,

[2:16:44] Trustee Fast (probable): but I'm open to comment from the,

[2:16:46] Trustee Fast (probable): not a public hearing, obviously,

[2:16:48] Trustee Fast (probable): but I am open to my trust, my co-trustees

[2:16:53] Trustee Fast (probable): or my other trustees to put their views on that.

[2:16:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you for clarifying.

[2:16:57] Trustee Fast (probable): I was just trying to clarify

[2:16:58] Trustee Fast (probable): whether you were adding one or two meetings.

[2:16:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead, Trustee Kate, Louise.

[2:17:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): I like the idea of the standalone community information meeting with some public input after rather than trying to put it in with second reading or anything because that often feels pre-decided.

[2:17:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): pre-decided so um i guess my only question is you know what is the timelines for opening up

[2:17:28] Trustee Stamford (probable): in-person meetings um you know whether it be worth trying to do online and in person

[2:17:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): um how would you look how would you think that would work yeah

[2:17:44] Trustee Fast (probable): i think it has to be both

[2:17:46] Trustee Fast (probable): and i just i i just just thinking of this community let's presuming we go back to i don't

[2:17:54] Trustee Fast (probable): know whether we're going to go back i mean we'll have to decide as an ltc whether we're going to

[2:17:57] Trustee Fast (probable): go back to in person or what we're going to do um but let's assume we do go back and we go back to

[2:18:03] Trustee Fast (probable): meeting in north vancouver in the middle of the day well you know what you're going to get seven

[2:18:10] Trustee Fast (probable): people because everybody's working yeah right

[2:18:15] Trustee Fast (probable): and and so and even those that i know there's

[2:18:20] Trustee Fast (probable): some people watching today that aren't necessarily in the webinar because i've gotten a couple of

[2:18:24] Trustee Fast (probable): texts um but even those that are would rather watch even if they're at work they can watch

[2:18:31] Trustee Fast (probable): online or watch the thing so i think i think trust uh chair fast i know you said at our

[2:18:37] Trustee Fast (probable): our zc meeting yesterday you're quite prepared to try and work with finding ways to do hybrid

[2:18:44] Trustee Fast (probable): meetings i still have this bag of equipment under my desk from the first time we tried that or the

[2:18:49] Trustee Fast (probable): last time we tried that in february um whatever it was of 2019 uh january 2020 sorry february

[2:18:58] Trustee Fast (probable): january or february of 2020 i have a bag too

[2:19:01] Trustee Fast (probable): sorry i

[2:19:03] Trustee Fast (probable): have a bag of different gear yes just my own

[2:19:07] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah yeah

[2:19:09] Trustee Fast (probable): so um anyway we can what i'm thinking is is that either in late september or early

[2:19:18] Trustee Fast (probable): october on a either an evening or a weekend um we try and have a a combination i i you know i don't

[2:19:35] Trustee Fast (probable): know i'm sort of i'm sort of at a loss whether we'd be better to just do it all electronic but

[2:19:39] Trustee Fast (probable): but at least have at least a combination hybrid meeting in person.

[2:19:47] Trustee Fast (probable): I think it should probably be in person, if we can, which is broadcast.

[2:19:55] Trustee Fast (probable): So, yeah.

[2:19:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Looking at the dates, I'm thinking if we have a,

[2:20:03] Trustee Fast (probable): depending on what we do with our next LTC meeting,

[2:20:06] Trustee Fast (probable): meeting that might be the in-person or the try our best to be hybrid one and maybe

[2:20:13] Trustee Fast (probable): um a community information meeting for this kind of thing that would be recorded and um available

[2:20:20] Trustee Fast (probable): and people could um zoom into it might be better as an online uh thing because the two look like

[2:20:30] Trustee Fast (probable): they would be close together according to what you're proposing i know

[2:20:33] Trustee Fast (probable): but but the problem is

[2:20:34] Trustee Fast (probable): those are in the middle of the day on a yeah i

[2:20:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): want to have an evening we did have an

[2:20:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): ltc meeting

[2:20:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): in the evening um that was well attended by keats people um at the um horseshoe bay community

[2:20:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): community center i

[2:20:53] Trustee Fast (probable): remember i think no of course that's

[2:20:56] Trustee Fast (probable): probably the one you came to suel that's

[2:20:58] Trustee Fast (probable): right that's right there were lots of people there and

[2:21:00] Trustee Fast (probable): there were because as we saw from the report

[2:21:04] Trustee Fast (probable): there's 90 people with with waterfront properties and and a lot of them are quote unquote water

[2:21:11] Trustee Fast (probable): access only because of if particularly on the east the west side of the island um because of

[2:21:18] Trustee Fast (probable): the nature of the development um so unless we wanted to move the september 30th meeting to an

[2:21:24] Trustee Fast (probable): evening meeting like start at 4 30 and um and and and then start the and do our business and then

[2:21:37] Trustee Fast (probable): have uh october the you know and then have a 6 or 6 30 start of a community information meeting we

[2:21:43] Trustee Fast (probable): could do that yeah um

[2:21:45] Voice 10: i like that yeah

[2:21:47] Trustee Fast (probable): would that

[2:21:51] Trustee Fast (probable): be possible i think this might be a question for

[2:21:53] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah,

[2:21:54] Trustee Fast (probable): of course, over to Jamie and Heather, whether that's possible, but it does mean if Jamie comes, Planner Debena comes, she has to stay overnight.

[2:22:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[2:22:03] Trustee Fast (probable): But that's probably preferable to coming on a weekend.

[2:22:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[2:22:10] Trustee Fast (probable): So, any comments from the planning manager?

[2:22:13] Trustee Fast (probable): or jamie i don't know your schedule either but the the question is could we have could we move

[2:22:19] Trustee Fast (probable): our september 30th meeting to start at 4 30 and then start a community information meeting at

[2:22:26] Trustee Fast (probable): around 6 30 and go into the evening yeah i think we can make it happen that sounds like a good idea

[2:22:35] Trustee Fast (probable): that that made sense to me yeah and

[2:22:39] Trustee Fast (probable): i don't know what do we i don't what's your sense um

[2:22:44] Trustee Fast (probable): um trustee stanford and and chair faust is i mean we could try and do it all electronic but

[2:22:52] Trustee Fast (probable): and i it hasn't been so much on in this local trust area but i've gotten there's been a lot

[2:22:57] Trustee Fast (probable): of feedback about the trust policy statement that people didn't think that that doing it in

[2:23:02] Trustee Fast (probable): the only way to get proper community input is in the form of an in-person meeting um and i'm quite

[2:23:11] Trustee Fast (probable): I think I hopefully if everything goes according to foil, we'll, you know,

[2:23:15] Trustee Fast (probable): that keeps on a good trajectory, we'll be able to do that. Right.

[2:23:19] Trustee Fast (probable): A hybrid meeting. Yeah. I think we'll hang

[2:23:22] Voice 4: on.

[2:23:23] Voice 4: Kate Louise. Oh, hi.

[2:23:26] Voice 4: I just wanted to bring you up to speed on arrangements for the September

[2:23:32] Voice 4: meeting. We have been trying,

[2:23:33] Voice 4: I have reached out to John Braithwaite to make that an in-person meeting

[2:23:38] Voice 4: because you're right on the cusp of that ministerial order and I'm not able to book

[2:23:47] Voice 4: anything until sometime in August because they're not opening up their bookings so I don't actually

[2:23:53] Voice 4: know what will and will not be available because it sounds like they're still a bit on the fence

[2:23:59] Voice 4: but maybe if if we open up to a wider number of options for a venue I can certainly investigate

[2:24:09] Voice 4: date doing that the

[2:24:11] Trustee Fast (probable): two the two menus that have worked the best are the john braithwaite center

[2:24:15] Trustee Fast (probable): and the um glen eagles golf course yeah right um

[2:24:20] Trustee Fast (probable): and i don't know what the wi-fi situation is in

[2:24:23] Trustee Fast (probable): either of them um it was it was okay in the in the braithwaite one i have no idea what it's like

[2:24:34] Trustee Fast (probable): and like blind eagles is

[2:24:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): it worth considering having a separate online meeting rather than

[2:24:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): trying to do both at one location um i always feel like somebody's gonna be feel left out

[2:24:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): specifically the online people if we do a combined i'm

[2:24:55] Trustee Fast (probable): not sure i know what you mean

[2:24:56] Trustee Fast (probable): well

[2:24:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): if we do one meeting in person and do the same setup different time different day

[2:25:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh online and then we can focus fully um on one audience and then fully on the other audience

[2:25:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): rather than trying to do two separate or to combine them anyway it's just a thought yeah

[2:25:19] Voice 7: i'd like to

[2:25:20] Voice 7: hear from heather car go ahead yeah we um lasghetti had a see a couple of cims back

[2:25:26] Voice 7: to back and they did one in person on one day and then they did the electronic one the next day

[2:25:32] Voice 7: um and that seemed to work pretty well i

[2:25:38] Trustee Fast (probable): still think we we need to have it on a

[2:25:43] Trustee Fast (probable): in a in a later type of type of time of the day for the electronic ones to accommodate people that

[2:25:50] Trustee Fast (probable): are are uh not there but we could we could do that um i mean we could even do it i don't know

[2:25:59] Trustee Fast (probable): what people's schedules are but we could even try and do it the night before like really evening

[2:26:03] Trustee Fast (probable): before electronically i haven't got my i haven't got a bigger schedule my i only have mine um but

[2:26:09] Trustee Fast (probable): whatever works i'm fine with that that would make it just means being repetitive you know not

[2:26:16] Trustee Fast (probable): repeat repetitive it just means more time commitment but we would capture everybody

[2:26:21] Trustee Fast (probable): get all of their input give them the way that they can refer refer i mean even though it looks

[2:26:27] Trustee Fast (probable): complicated it's not a very long document it as these things go you know it's only 12 pages

[2:26:34] Trustee Fast (probable): between the two bylaws right i mean but the and the basic principles are fairly are fairly are

[2:26:40] Trustee Fast (probable): fairly well defined doesn't mean there won't be some folks that have a number of comments to make

[2:26:47] Trustee Fast (probable): because there may very well be but i'm open to that if if everybody else is i

[2:26:52] Trustee Fast (probable): like the idea of

[2:26:53] Trustee Fast (probable): having it the night before which would be the 29th all we have on my my schedule is just executive

[2:26:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Committee telecom that day. And if we had that as the online version, then Planner Dubenya might

[2:27:11] Trustee Fast (probable): not need to even come until the 30th and have another evening session there as a in-person

[2:27:21] Trustee Fast (probable): CIM after our regular business meeting. Is that what you're proposing?

[2:27:25] Trustee Fast (probable): I think that's what

[2:27:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Stamford suggested.

[2:27:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Justin yeah

[2:27:29] Trustee Fast (probable): okay I like that because it's all in one so everybody can hear each other it's not like

[2:27:35] Trustee Fast (probable): they're necessarily going to be going off on a big trip that the very day of so that so the

[2:27:41] Trustee Fast (probable): conversation can be closer and more people can be part so the

[2:27:45] Trustee Fast (probable): idea so the idea is on the evening of

[2:27:48] Trustee Fast (probable): the 29th would be simply a CIM public input session for say two hours online

[2:27:54] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah on purely

[2:27:56] Trustee Fast (probable): early online and that on the 30th we would still start late do our business work yeah

[2:28:02] Voice 8: whether we

[2:28:03] Trustee Fast (probable): start at 3 or 4 30 doesn't really matter but the idea would be would be that that would be in person

[2:28:08] Trustee Fast (probable): and then we would uh have a now that's also going to mean uh trustee stamford and uh and at the very

[2:28:15] Trustee Fast (probable): least it's probably going to have to stay overnight as well yeah

[2:28:20] Trustee Fast (probable): it doesn't look like that's a problem

[2:28:23] Trustee Fast (probable): for her no

[2:28:24] Trustee Fast (probable): she never yeah

[2:28:25] Trustee Fast (probable): um

[2:28:26] Trustee Fast (probable): and then have it and then again have an evening session i'm good with

[2:28:30] Trustee Fast (probable): that okay that

[2:28:33] Trustee Fast (probable): sounds good i think we should probably have a formal motion then um because

[2:28:38] Trustee Fast (probable): we need to vary our our meeting schedule do you want to wait until we get to that part of the

[2:28:44] Trustee Fast (probable): agenda or do you want to do that now well

[2:28:45] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm going to i'm going to propose uh that we sorry

[2:28:49] Trustee Fast (probable): All right, let's find the right document

[2:28:51] Trustee Fast (probable): that we amend the work plan overview.

[2:29:04] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to move, we amend the work plan overview

[2:29:06] Trustee Fast (probable): of the project charter V.1 of phase three

[2:29:12] Trustee Fast (probable): of the Keats Island shoreline protection

[2:29:15] Trustee Fast (probable): to insert a community information slash public input session

[2:29:21] Trustee Fast (probable): session in the fall of 2021, prior to second reading.

[2:29:35] Planner Eggen (probable): Did you catch that, back there, Diane?

[2:29:40] Voice 8: Thank

[2:29:41] Trustee Fast (probable): you. Thank you, very good.

[2:29:44] Trustee Fast (probable): And did you want to remove the legal review?

[2:29:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh, yes, and remove the legal review.

[2:29:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, that's a friendly amendment.

[2:29:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:30:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. And do I have a seconder? Thank you, Trustee Stamford. And any discussion? Okay, I'll call the question. All those in favor? One, two, I think your hand is up, Dan. Can I? Thank you. Very good. That passes unanimously.

[2:30:19] Trustee Fast (probable): unanimously so

[2:30:20] Trustee Fast (probable): then um i mean the the the project charter is going to have to be revised again in

[2:30:32] Trustee Fast (probable): terms of the budget um but i think we can i think we can uh approve the project charter

[2:30:44] Trustee Fast (probable): sorry we i move we approve the uh keats island shoreline protection phase three project charter

[2:30:53] Trustee Fast (probable): or v1 uh revised as amendment mended okay

[2:30:58] Trustee Fast (probable): right does that make sense kate louise no it's it had

[2:31:05] Trustee Fast (probable): the words as amended in there twice i think can you say no

[2:31:08] Trustee Fast (probable): because the title of the document says

[2:31:11] Trustee Fast (probable): revised

[2:31:11] Trustee Fast (probable): oh okay revised as amended okay okay did you

[2:31:17] Trustee Fast (probable): get that plan

[2:31:18] Trustee Fast (probable): i think trustee stamford did

[2:31:27] Trustee Fast (probable): worries from diane um any more discussion uh

[2:31:32] Voice 5: yeah diane wonders if uh trustee rogers

[2:31:35] Voice 5: please say that one more time i

[2:31:38] Trustee Fast (probable): moved that the keats island shoreline protection phase three

[2:31:43] Trustee Fast (probable): project charter v.1 as amended be approved you can take the word revised out thank you

[2:31:58] Trustee Fast (probable): okay and you've left out the date there that i see on another one of these versions uh but that's

[2:32:05] Trustee Fast (probable): okay i think we all know what you're talking about um any are you okay to second that then

[2:32:10] Trustee Fast (probable): kate louise still yeah she is very good thank you and um i think diane's caught that she would be

[2:32:17] Trustee Fast (probable): telling us if she didn't and uh so any more discussion okay um call the question all those

[2:32:24] Trustee Fast (probable): All those in favor?

[2:32:26] Trustee Fast (probable): One, two, three, hands go up.

[2:32:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, that passes unanimously.

[2:32:30] Trustee Fast (probable): So one of my things that I'm thinking is,

[2:32:33] Trustee Fast (probable): is we're going to take the money from the legal review

[2:32:35] Trustee Fast (probable): and put it into public consultation.

[2:32:38] Trustee Fast (probable): So there may have to be an amendment

[2:32:41] Trustee Fast (probable): to the budget accordingly.

[2:32:43] Trustee Fast (probable): And I guess my suggestion would be given

[2:32:46] Trustee Fast (probable): that we're going to do this before we meet again as an LTC,

[2:32:48] Trustee Fast (probable): we may have to do that by RWM.

[2:32:50] Trustee Fast (probable): And if the planner wishes to do that,

[2:32:53] Trustee Fast (probable): I think that would be fine with me because I'm going to move that the LTC request staff to organize an electronic LTC community information and public input session on the Keats Island shoreline protection project for September 29th in the evening.

[2:33:29] Trustee Fast (probable): I'll have a second motion, but let's start with that one.

[2:33:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[2:33:33] Trustee Fast (probable): And I see Kate Louise has seconded that.

[2:33:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more discussion?

[2:33:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Call the question.

[2:33:40] Trustee Fast (probable): All those in favor?

[2:33:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Three hands went up.

[2:33:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[2:33:44] Trustee Fast (probable): That passes unanimously.

[2:33:46] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm going to move that the LTC request staff to adjust the start date for the September start time, not date.

[2:34:00] Trustee Fast (probable): September 30th, Gambier LTC, to commence at 3 p.m. and schedule a planned CIM public input session

[2:34:26] Trustee Fast (probable): for commencing at 6.30 p.m., both of which will be in-person meetings.

[2:34:41] Voice 8: Seconder? Thank you. Kate-Louise?

[2:34:42] Voice 8: diane how did you do with that i'm sorry that was a bit erratic uh

[2:34:58] Voice 5: i'll read it again yeah

[2:34:59] Voice 5: i'll read it uh the ltc requests staff to adjust the start time for the september 30th ltc to

[2:35:08] Voice 5: commence at 3 p.m and schedule a planned cim public input session at 6 30 p.m both of which

[2:35:17] Voice 5: will be in-person meetings yeah

[2:35:19] Trustee Fast (probable): i think you can take the you add the word meeting after ltc and

[2:35:23] Trustee Fast (probable): to take out the word planned uh somewhere along the line too okay

[2:35:30] Trustee Fast (probable): and do i have a seconder thank

[2:35:33] Trustee Fast (probable): you kate louise any more discussion nope all

[2:35:37] Trustee Fast (probable): in favor three hands went up thank you that passes

[2:35:42] Trustee Fast (probable): unanimously thank you very much trustee rogers and we're finished i think with item 9.1 or are we

[2:35:51] Trustee Fast (probable): i am all

[2:35:53] Trustee Fast (probable): okay good thank you very much and we'll move on now to 9.2 i see planner egan has

[2:35:59] Trustee Fast (probable): joined us hello and uh we'll this is about um page 62 of the regular agenda as opposed to the

[2:36:10] Trustee Fast (probable): addendum that i've been looking at and um this is the gambier island official community plan and

[2:36:17] Trustee Fast (probable): land use bylaw targeted review please take take it away planner again thanks

[2:36:22] Planner Eggen (probable): chair fast can you

[2:36:23] Planner Eggen (probable): you hear me all right yeah great um so since the last ltc meeting uh staff have amended the project

[2:36:32] Planner Eggen (probable): charter with the changes requested and that's an attachment three um also a part of this staff

[2:36:40] Planner Eggen (probable): report staff are introducing outlines for the proposed discussion papers to come to the ltc

[2:36:47] Planner Eggen (probable): and those are an attachment one of the staff report in particular staff is recommending in

[2:36:53] Planner Eggen (probable): this report that they're recommending a terms of reference for the working group for this project

[2:37:02] Planner Eggen (probable): and recommending soliciting expressions of interest for the volunteer members for that

[2:37:07] Planner Eggen (probable): group and the terms of reference can be found in attachment two and in terms of the discussion

[2:37:15] Planner Eggen (probable): papers you'll see that the outlines are there in attachment one for all four of the topic areas

[2:37:25] Planner Eggen (probable): and these are outlines and we expect that they may shift as the papers are fully developed

[2:37:34] Planner Eggen (probable): for instance the options that are outlined in each of the topic areas likely will shift or

[2:37:43] Planner Eggen (probable): change or be added to as the work reviewing and analyzing the information proceeds for the

[2:37:55] Planner Eggen (probable): discussion papers. And I'd just like to point out that Island Planner Jamie DiBegno will be

[2:38:03] Planner Eggen (probable): working specifically on the shoreline protection and public docks discussion papers. And I thank

[2:38:11] Planner Eggen (probable): her for contributing that as we go forward and so these discussion papers

[2:38:19] Planner Eggen (probable): there are for your information really should you wish to provide input you're

[2:38:24] Planner Eggen (probable): welcome to do that of course and there's some recommended wording that's provided

[2:38:29] Planner Eggen (probable): at the end of the staff report under alternatives and in terms of the terms

[2:38:34] Planner Eggen (probable): of reference for the working group. The focus of the working group is really to provide input on

[2:38:45] Planner Eggen (probable): the eventual engagement and communications plan and to assist with that plan's implementation

[2:38:52] Planner Eggen (probable): as well as participate in consultation events. So just to point out that and as such the

[2:39:02] Planner Eggen (probable): the important attributes for that membership for the group will be a focused interest in

[2:39:10] Planner Eggen (probable): community engagement and communications and the topic areas for the targeted review

[2:39:15] Planner Eggen (probable): the shoreline ecosystem a forest ecosystem archaeological and cultural site protection

[2:39:25] Planner Eggen (probable): as well as we've got that fourth one which is to do with ensuring access to public docks on

[2:39:30] Planner Eggen (probable): Gambier Island. So staff are recommending that invitations to First Nations to participate in

[2:39:40] Planner Eggen (probable): that working group are sent out and invitations for expressions of interest be sent. Staff have

[2:39:46] Planner Eggen (probable): identified Gambier Island Conservancy and the Gambier Island Community Association, as well as

[2:39:52] Planner Eggen (probable): the community at large. So staff are recommending a maximum of six members of that group with

[2:39:59] Planner Eggen (probable): additional seats to be reserved for the three First Nations that would be Squamish,

[2:40:08] Planner Eggen (probable): Tsleil-Waututh and Musqueam. So staff is looking to the LTC to endorse the

[2:40:16] Planner Eggen (probable): terms of reference today and for the LTC to advise of any other interest groups that

[2:40:22] Planner Eggen (probable): they think should be included in the invitations of expressions of interest

[2:40:28] Planner Eggen (probable): and that should be done by resolution and the recommended wording is provided in the alternatives

[2:40:33] Planner Eggen (probable): section of the staff report okay

[2:40:36] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you very much planner again if that's written that's

[2:40:42] Trustee Fast (probable): complete okay good thank you questions for the planner yeah

[2:40:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): i just want to thank marnie for

[2:40:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): putting this together um it just makes the process quite a bit more clear and um i really like the

[2:40:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): outlines of the discussion papers i think that's a certainly an efficient way to move forward

[2:41:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): um i have a couple of comments for for sort of ideas for consideration

[2:41:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh looking at this one of my concerns has been um finding people that are willing to commit to

[2:41:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): um the two years and the potential level of of commitment that this is going to require

[2:41:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): and if there's any thought if we expanded it to say 10 community members and that that is

[2:41:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): revolving based on their interest that some people may be only interested in participating in the

[2:41:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): docs discussion paper and then others would be only interested in working on forestry

[2:41:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): um is that something that staff could see working with that or would you prefer to stick down to the

[2:41:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): is six really the maximum that you feel you can work with um over the two-year period well i think

[2:42:06] Trustee Fast (probable): it would be nine really depending on yes

[2:42:08] Voice 8: okay

[2:42:09] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh planner again thanks

[2:42:13] Planner Eggen (probable): through the chair um well

[2:42:15] Planner Eggen (probable): Well, yeah, we had just with experience on other projects and working groups, we have come to the conclusion that that's a good size for this project.

[2:42:29] Planner Eggen (probable): But I think what you're suggesting, too, is that they're rotating in some ways.

[2:42:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): Some people wouldn't show up for one series of

[2:42:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): engagement, but they would be more interested in a different discussion paper.

[2:42:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): and then that's because we don't have a lot of people that can volunteer um that would allow

[2:42:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): them a lower commitment level so it's just something to consider if it's not workable

[2:42:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): then i totally understand

[2:43:01] Planner Eggen (probable): okay so um the terms of reference is is there for your comment and

[2:43:10] Planner Eggen (probable): And if you choose to change the size of it,

[2:43:16] Planner Eggen (probable): I would suggest that that be done by resolution.

[2:43:26] Planner Eggen (probable): If you're suggesting that there's a good chance

[2:43:33] Planner Eggen (probable): that we may not see the maximum number of people

[2:43:39] Planner Eggen (probable): at any one particular meeting of the working group

[2:43:44] Planner Eggen (probable): um and that they may pick and choose depending on um depending on the topic of discussion for

[2:43:53] Planner Eggen (probable): that particular meeting we really want them to be focused on providing input

[2:44:01] Planner Eggen (probable): on the engagement and the communications plan um so i would be hoping that we would get

[2:44:09] Planner Eggen (probable): um good participation then and uh some focused interest on that yeah

[2:44:17] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you

[2:44:19] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm just going to put myself on the list, if you don't mind.

[2:44:23] Trustee Fast (probable): I wonder what it would do to quorum.

[2:44:27] Trustee Fast (probable): And secondly, I think you want a certain number of people to be looking at the whole process in an integrated way,

[2:44:38] Trustee Fast (probable): because other people will pop in and out of the interest areas as they have those interests and the time.

[2:44:46] Trustee Fast (probable): so that's my question is um what would this do to quorum if you get to a an important area that

[2:44:54] Trustee Fast (probable): only has a couple people interested and would this give people feeling maybe like they had permission

[2:45:02] Trustee Fast (probable): to step out at different times so those are just my questions and comments i don't know if there's

[2:45:15] Trustee Fast (probable): really an answer go ahead trustee rogers thanks

[2:45:18] Trustee Fast (probable): um i'm just gonna suggest uh comment two things

[2:45:23] Trustee Fast (probable): um one is what when we did the the keats foreshore working group what we did is we

[2:45:29] Trustee Fast (probable): tried to make sure that we had people from various um parts of the island represented

[2:45:35] Trustee Fast (probable): uh so we made a point of inviting people from bumper cove and melody point and keats landing

[2:45:43] Trustee Fast (probable): and Eastbourne were the sort of the main area as well as some at large somebody's got their

[2:45:49] Trustee Fast (probable): their microphone on and I can hear things in the background just saying not sure who that is but

[2:45:55] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you um and uh um the so that's one thing so I you know I I would suggest that you want to have

[2:46:09] Trustee Fast (probable): If you can, get someone from Furcombe Plateau and

[2:46:12] Voice 10: Brigade

[2:46:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Bay and West Bay, etc.

[2:46:16] Trustee Fast (probable): So I actually, I'm thinking you might need, given how big Gambier is, a couple more, maybe eight.

[2:46:24] Trustee Fast (probable): But I'm open to whatever you and Planner Egan decide on in the chair.

[2:46:30] Trustee Fast (probable): But I would think you might need a couple more.

[2:46:32] Trustee Fast (probable): The second thing I want to say is about the terms of reference.

[2:46:35] Trustee Fast (probable): If that's okay, is it appropriate for me to talk about that right now?

[2:46:39] Trustee Fast (probable): one of the things I think is missing is and doesn't appear to be in the

[2:46:45] Trustee Fast (probable): budgeting either is what kind of resources is the working group going to

[2:46:49] Trustee Fast (probable): have? Like, will it have a minute taker?

[2:46:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Will it have, will,

[2:46:56] Trustee Fast (probable): I know that planner Devena worked quite closely with the working group in

[2:47:01] Trustee Fast (probable): the foreshore group and, and, and, you know, they did stuff on their own,

[2:47:06] Trustee Fast (probable): but she also worked quite closely and helped coordinate them and that's not clear to me from

[2:47:12] Trustee Fast (probable): the terms of reference that now I don't think we they had a minute taker just so it's clear

[2:47:17] Trustee Fast (probable): but I if they're going to work meet on their own I think they need one but if they don't need to

[2:47:22] Trustee Fast (probable): if they aren't going to work on their own then I guess they may not need one and I guess I would

[2:47:27] Trustee Fast (probable): like some sort of clarity as what sort of resources they might might be available to the working group

[2:47:34] Trustee Fast (probable): either in terms of you know physical resources or like we did a boat tour with the working group on

[2:47:42] Trustee Fast (probable): the foreshore working group and and that was very useful I'm not suggesting you have to do that but

[2:47:48] Trustee Fast (probable): there might be some time so I have you given some thought as to what kind of resources might be

[2:47:53] Trustee Fast (probable): there planner again

[2:47:53] Planner Eggen (probable): yes so the idea with you know I was just hearing that feedback too

[2:48:00] Planner Eggen (probable): um uh so the idea with this working group is that we we wouldn't be having a minute taker they would

[2:48:11] Planner Eggen (probable): be um similar to the keats island uh shoreline group where uh it's really the planners kind of

[2:48:21] Planner Eggen (probable): providing the notes and um giving those back to the working group um and this particular

[2:48:29] Planner Eggen (probable): working group will be working with the engagement

[2:48:37] Planner Eggen (probable): and communications consultant in the first portion.

[2:48:44] Planner Eggen (probable): And that wasn't in consideration that we would be doing

[2:48:52] Planner Eggen (probable): those by Zoom or by teleconference.

[2:48:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Right, and I guess my only point would be

[2:49:00] Trustee Fast (probable): if I was going to be a volunteer on this group,

[2:49:02] Trustee Fast (probable): I would want to know what kind of resources were being made available to me, because the way I would read this, it wouldn't have been clear to me. Now, maybe there was going to be more information provided to them when they were doing it, but I would want to know that there was going to be a communications consultant involved, that they would be able to work with that

[2:49:21] Trustee Fast (probable): person and the planner and all the rest of all of that.

[2:49:23] Planner Eggen (probable): Yeah, definitely. That will be a part of the information that gets sent out to them. This is the terms of reference, but we do send out something separate as a part of the invitations that would provide that information.

[2:49:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Anyway, those are my comments. Thank you for this. It looks good.

[2:49:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. Trustee Stamford?

[2:49:46] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm

[2:49:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): wondering if there would be a stipend available for the First Nations that are

[2:49:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): attending is that an intent that um has been considered yes

[2:49:57] Planner Eggen (probable): it is and I've been in contact with

[2:49:59] Planner Eggen (probable): um our Lisa Wicklucks about that and she has advised that there is some funding available

[2:50:07] Planner Eggen (probable): for that oh

[2:50:09] Voice 10: that would be separate from the OCP funding uh

[2:50:14] Planner Eggen (probable): no it's a part of that okay yeah

[2:50:18] Planner Eggen (probable): okay so the budgets that we're planning to draw from are from um that particular budget

[2:50:29] Planner Eggen (probable): right so that would contribute to this project yeah yeah

[2:50:32] Trustee Fast (probable): it's in the budget there yeah in the

[2:50:34] Planner Eggen (probable): yeah

[2:50:34] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah yeah kate weasley doesn't have as many monitors as the rest of us i just got this one

[2:50:43] Planner Eggen (probable): so

[2:50:44] Trustee Fast (probable): through

[2:50:45] Planner Eggen (probable): the chair i'm just thinking uh in terms of kate louise's interest in

[2:50:50] Planner Eggen (probable): um growing the group and in consideration of trustee rogers comments about that

[2:51:00] Planner Eggen (probable): um you know i i think we could bump it up a few more i think maybe 10 might be a bit much but

[2:51:08] Planner Eggen (probable): yeah yeah

[2:51:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): no i i think eight is possible i mean looking at this group there's a couple of groups

[2:51:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): that can double up um it's just usually the same people um because it's such a small pool to work

[2:51:24] Trustee Stamford (probable): with but um with the right kind of communications and knowing they've got the right kind of support

[2:51:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): We might get some of the newer residents, which would be really exciting to have their perspective.

[2:51:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): And definitely, I'll be looking across the island.

[2:51:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): I want to see for sure the other parts of the island, not just the southwest peninsula represented here.

[2:51:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): So there's some really good candidates I hope will have the time to spend on this.

[2:51:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): and the idea that it is zoom i think is a really um good way of getting this process going

[2:52:06] Trustee Fast (probable): so i'm hearing that you might want to make it an amendment yeah it's a reference

[2:52:11] Trustee Fast (probable): six days yeah

[2:52:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): so can you just put up the terms of

[2:52:16] Voice 8: reference

[2:52:22] Planner Eggen (probable): jamie are you there could you

[2:52:25] Planner Eggen (probable): scroll down to the attachments it's the last attachment there

[2:52:34] Trustee Fast (probable): it is second last yeah yeah

[2:52:35] Trustee Fast (probable): committee of six volunteers i'm looking at one on your purpose right okay so

[2:52:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): i would like to move

[2:52:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): that the gambier island local trust committee amend the gambier island ocp lub targeted review

[2:52:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): working grouped draft terms of reference dated july 2021

[2:52:59] Voice 8: to uh grow or

[2:53:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): for a select committee

[2:53:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): of eight volunteers serving for a term of two

[2:53:15] Voice 8: years did you get that diane yes i did

[2:53:29] Voice 8: and

[2:53:30] Trustee Fast (probable): i see dan is seconding very good and uh um discussion i'll just put myself on there so the

[2:53:40] Trustee Fast (probable): other three uh reserved additional positions stay the same and everything else stays the same gotcha

[2:53:50] Trustee Fast (probable): quorum is just more than 50 so that's easy so that's yeah

[2:53:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): that helps yeah that

[2:53:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): just gives us

[2:53:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): a bit more flexibility very

[2:53:59] Trustee Fast (probable): good uh any more discussion or questions then i'll call the

[2:54:03] Trustee Fast (probable): question all those in favor of this uh amendment this motion thank you one two three hands went up

[2:54:10] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you very much and

[2:54:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): i i do have a couple comments about the um the discussion paper

[2:54:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): index um one of the comments i had was under the forestry um if we could add in um yeah i'm

[2:54:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's i'm not good with specifics on this is um gambier in relation to cumulative effects

[2:54:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): uh assessments in how sound so my intent is that we are looking not just on gambier

[2:54:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): alone but there is some information provided on perspective of how gambier fits within

[2:55:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): how sound as a whole so i guess if i was going to put it in terms of would you like a motion

[2:55:14] Trustee Stamford (probable): motion to add that in or can we just add that in

[2:55:17] Planner Eggen (probable): um i think it's probably good if there's a motion

[2:55:22] Planner Eggen (probable): yeah um

[2:55:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): can we put the forestry discussion paper

[2:55:28] Voice 8: up okay can we just put the title up

[2:55:36] Trustee Stamford (probable): so i can see

[2:55:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): it great um i move that the gambier island local trust committee request that the forest ecosystem

[2:55:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): ecosystem protection discussion paper outline

[2:55:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): is amended by adding the topic,

[2:55:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): cumulative effects assessment in-house out.

[2:56:09] Voice 5: Thanks, got that.

[2:56:10] Voice 5: Very good, is that

[2:56:13] Voice 5: clear Trustee Rogers?

[2:56:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): No?

[2:56:19] Trustee Fast (probable): I mean, we concerned if our staff as to what you're,

[2:56:25] Trustee Fast (probable): I thought I understood what you were aiming at,

[2:56:27] Trustee Fast (probable): which was what role does Gambier play in the sort of the overall ecosystem of Al-Qa'at somehow sound

[2:56:36] Trustee Fast (probable): but maybe you're thinking of something different and I think it'd be good for the planner to know

[2:56:43] Trustee Fast (probable): exactly what it is you're thinking of.

[2:56:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): Well the cumulative effects assessment project

[2:56:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): through the provincial government includes land-based assessments throughout the house

[2:56:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): so it's not just Gambier but because it's cumulative effects it includes Gambier in

[2:57:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): forestry and a variety of other subjects but specific to this one I would be considering

[2:57:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): how Gambier fits in within the forestry section of that provincial initiative so you're talking

[2:57:16] Trustee Fast (probable): So you're talking specifically about the provincial initiative of CAA?

[2:57:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, because that is a good information source to provide as an outline.

[2:57:27] Trustee Fast (probable): That's fine, as long as that's clear that that's where you want them to go,

[2:57:31] Trustee Fast (probable): or whoever's developing this, to go to look at the information.

[2:57:36] Trustee Fast (probable): I think they have information on old growth forests,

[2:57:39] Trustee Fast (probable): and I forget what the other one is related to forestry.

[2:57:43] Trustee Fast (probable): That's part of the CAA community.

[2:57:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah,

[2:57:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): they have a variety of specific data sets that are available to look at.

[2:57:53] Trustee Fast (probable): Most of them are about species, i.e. elk and bear and fish.

[2:58:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): But there is one about forestry.

[2:58:03] Trustee Fast (probable): There is.

[2:58:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, and it just hasn't come out yet.

[2:58:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Correct.

[2:58:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you. Does this mean, Trustee Rogers, that you might second?

[2:58:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh,

[2:58:12] Trustee Fast (probable): no, I just wanted to make sure because I'm not, I want to make sure because it's going to

[2:58:17] Trustee Fast (probable): be for the planner to sort of know exactly what we're talking about. If I thought if I did,

[2:58:21] Trustee Fast (probable): then maybe Planner Egan might as well. Maybe you

[2:58:24] Trustee Fast (probable): already knew what she was talking about,

[2:58:26] Trustee Fast (probable): so I'll second that.

[2:58:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah, and I'll send the links to you, Marnie.

[2:58:32] Planner Eggen (probable): Okay, great. Thank you, and thanks, Trustee Rogers. Thank you, everybody.

[2:58:38] Trustee Fast (probable): Did you have a

[2:58:39] Trustee Fast (probable): question planner agon no okay then uh if unless there's more discussion i'm going to call the

[2:58:45] Trustee Fast (probable): question all those in favor thank you that's three hands up that passes thank you very much

[2:58:54] Trustee Fast (probable): um what's next kate wheeze um

[2:58:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): so i did ask for an additional item to be put uh under 9.2

[2:59:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): And that is a request for forestry staff to be able to participate in a public meeting, I would assume on Zoom, to be able to respond to people's questions about forestry in general and forestry policies on the island.

[2:59:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): There seems to be a gap of which it's difficult to get the right information to the public in order for them to be able to make informed and understand decisions around forestry on the island.

[2:59:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I was hoping as part of the OCP process, this actually could be a good introduction to the recreational conservation zone on Gambier.

[2:59:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I had asked.

[3:00:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): I'll put a motion forward if we decide that this is worthwhile

[3:00:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): going forward under the OCP LUB process.

[3:00:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Were you thinking of, my concern, I think it sounds like a great idea,

[3:00:15] Trustee Fast (probable): but I would just be concerned that if they cancelled

[3:00:18] Trustee Fast (probable): or there was a change in government or something,

[3:00:23] Trustee Fast (probable): that it might delay or slow down or somehow affect the OCP review.

[3:00:31] Trustee Fast (probable): so are you proposing to make this as part of the uh terms of reference or the um is this separate

[3:00:39] Trustee Fast (probable): this is separate okay can we go back then to the recommendation oh sorry i haven't finished

[3:00:44] Trustee Fast (probable): the recommendations yeah yeah i'm weird okay

[3:00:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): so i i'm gonna make the motion here i rec i move that

[3:00:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): the gambier island local trust committee endorse the terms of reference as amended dated july 2021

[3:01:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): for the Gambier Island Official Community Plan and Land Use By-law Targeted Review

[3:01:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): and request staff to solicit expressions of interest for volunteer members from the following.

[3:01:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): The Squamish Nation, the Tsleil-Waututh Nation, Musqueam Indian Band, Gambier Island Conservancy,

[3:01:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): Gambier Island Community Association, and community members at large.

[3:01:28] Trustee Fast (probable): And I see Dan Rogers is seconding. Thank you.

[3:01:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Any discussion for the discussion?

[3:01:34] Trustee Fast (probable): then i'll call the question all those in favor one two three hands went up thank you that passes

[3:01:41] Trustee Fast (probable): unanimously thank you kate louise sorry

[3:01:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): and then

[3:01:45] Trustee Fast (probable): uh then let's discuss your um i was just a bit

[3:01:49] Trustee Fast (probable): confused there so i withdraw my concerns there and um any more discussion about the forestry

[3:01:57] Trustee Fast (probable): meeting go ahead planner eggin through

[3:02:01] Planner Eggen (probable): the chair um i just wanted to bring up um something that

[3:02:06] Planner Eggen (probable): uh trustee stamford brought up with me a little while ago uh with respect to cotton bay right i

[3:02:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): did have

[3:02:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): that on my list okay

[3:02:17] Planner Eggen (probable): great um and so um i'll i'll let trustee stamford speak to that as

[3:02:23] Planner Eggen (probable): well i just thought maybe we want to talk about uh cotton bay first because okay we could make

[3:02:29] Planner Eggen (probable): uh staff would probably recommend a change to the project charter so i'll just let you go ahead

[3:02:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay sorry um this this is uh we had some questions from someone who lives in cotton bay

[3:02:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): about how the official community plan, the one that's operating now, impacts her property.

[3:02:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): And it reminded me that parts of Cotton Bay actually are not part of the current official

[3:03:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): community plan, that there was a historical point during the original OCP process where

[3:03:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): where the owner of Cotton Bay declined to participate.

[3:03:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): And for a variety of reasons, that area was then excluded

[3:03:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): and it has never been put back into the OCP.

[3:03:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I would like the Cotton Bay currently excluded area

[3:03:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): to be part of the new OCP process.

[3:03:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): I

[3:03:34] Voice 8: don't think it's

[3:03:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): a big deal,

[3:03:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): but it it should be put in there um specifically that

[3:03:42] Trustee Fast (probable): sounds like a motion to me did you capture

[3:03:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): that diane so i will i will make a motion i move that the gambier island local class local

[3:03:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): the trust committee include the currently excluded area of cotton bay into the new

[3:04:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): official community plan land use bylaw process does that make sense planner

[3:04:14] Planner Eggen (probable): eggin through the

[3:04:15] Planner Eggen (probable): chair um we might want to just a friendly amendment to that to say the uh gambier island

[3:04:23] Planner Eggen (probable): official community plan land use bylaw targeted review project charter under scope yeah

[3:04:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): and again

[3:04:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): i don't have it in front of me thank you

[3:04:34] Trustee Fast (probable): that that's a good amendment um and it looked like

[3:04:38] Trustee Fast (probable): it was friendly you're happy with that right

[3:04:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): up there yeah

[3:04:41] Trustee Fast (probable): okay in under scope right yeah do you

[3:04:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): want to read that back and just to make sure that it it's clear okay

[3:04:51] Voice 5: that the gambier island local

[3:04:54] Voice 5: trust committee include the currently excluded area of cotton bay into the new official community

[3:05:01] Voice 5: plan land use by law targeted review project charter under scope yeah

[3:05:09] Trustee Fast (probable): that's correct okay

[3:05:11] Trustee Fast (probable): yes that is great then uh i'm wondering if i have a seconder i

[3:05:20] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm i'm sorry i'm just puzzled

[3:05:22] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm looking at the map and it says area is not subject to bylaw 73 you refer to bylaw 110 for

[3:05:30] Trustee Fast (probable): for official community plan requirements.

[3:05:33] Trustee Fast (probable): What's bylaw 110?

[3:05:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's the old charter that we originally were under.

[3:05:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, I'll second.

[3:05:46] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't know how that happened.

[3:05:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, we've got a seconder.

[3:05:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Now we can discuss it as a move

[3:05:54] Trustee Fast (probable): with the motion on the table.

[3:06:00] Trustee Fast (probable): That sounds very weird to me,

[3:06:01] Trustee Fast (probable): to have an area that isn't in an OCP,

[3:06:03] Trustee Fast (probable): but I don't need to go into all that here I think it's a really good idea to include the whole

[3:06:08] Trustee Fast (probable): island are there any other bits that need to be included that aren't in there just that one okay

[3:06:15] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you okay you never know um moved and seconded I'm here seeing no more hands for

[3:06:25] Trustee Fast (probable): discussion all those in favor one two three hands went up thank you very much that passes

[3:06:32] Trustee Fast (probable): unanimously we're including cotton bay um in the project charter and um now that it's included do

[3:06:45] Trustee Fast (probable): you want to talk about the forestry meeting yeah

[3:06:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): so i hopefully we've still got a motion there um

[3:06:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): marnie is it clear go ahead go ahead marnie

[3:06:57] Planner Eggen (probable): yes uh through the chair thanks so i'm i've had

[3:07:04] Planner Eggen (probable): kate and i had a brief conversation about this and i've had a little bit more time to think about it

[3:07:09] Planner Eggen (probable): and um it is something that we would certainly consider as a part of the engagement and

[3:07:19] Planner Eggen (probable): communications plan when that's being developed and it would you know that engagement plan does

[3:07:26] Planner Eggen (probable): does come back to the local trust committee for consideration and um and input on on the plan

[3:07:34] Planner Eggen (probable): to be executed as a part of the ocp lub targeted review project so it's something that we could

[3:07:41] Planner Eggen (probable): definitely consider as a part of the plan so that would be something that would happen you know

[3:07:46] Planner Eggen (probable): um next year but i think that what you're saying is you're looking for something to happen

[3:07:54] Planner Eggen (probable): and very soon sooner

[3:07:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): rather than later yeah

[3:07:58] Planner Eggen (probable): yeah and um you know we're we're trying to put together

[3:08:05] Planner Eggen (probable): a comprehensive engagement and communications plan for the project and this part really hasn't

[3:08:11] Planner Eggen (probable): been contemplated or how that actually fits in well and in terms of timing it's a bit off right

[3:08:18] Planner Eggen (probable): Right. So and I'm just wondering, this seems to me, you know, it's it's the community's interest.

[3:08:27] Planner Eggen (probable): And with respect to the province's policies and regulation for woodlots, and that seems to be it should be them doing that.

[3:08:44] Planner Eggen (probable): not maybe perhaps not us facilitating that well

[3:08:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): that yeah and

[3:08:48] Planner Eggen (probable): and my sense is also that

[3:08:51] Planner Eggen (probable): that there's in the near future perhaps we're going to be referred a management plan for this

[3:09:00] Planner Eggen (probable): for one particular woodlot is that right yeah the

[3:09:04] Planner Eggen (probable): idea is that there's a larger discussion to have

[3:09:07] Planner Eggen (probable): um with the province about their policies and regulation is that right yeah

[3:09:15] Trustee Stamford (probable): so i'll just give

[3:09:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): you a little outline because i'm just looking for a way in which to get a meeting going and i thought

[3:09:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): maybe the official community plan was a way of doing it in that simply having the right zoom

[3:09:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): um functions to be able to support a meeting um but and also what i was thinking is that if we do

[3:09:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): it through the local trust committee that we ask the ministry to host a meeting then it's done

[3:09:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): through the local trust committee rather than me individually calling them up and saying you you

[3:09:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): kind of need to talk to the community here they would have more um they are more likely to talk

[3:09:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): staff to staff to get a meeting going rather than political to staff um so that's why i was

[3:10:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): thinking of trying to angle it through this this way but if there is another way of getting

[3:10:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): um the ministry to provide a public meeting of some kind about forestry on the island then i'm

[3:10:19] Trustee Stamford (probable): more than happy to do it that way too just

[3:10:24] Planner Eggen (probable): the uh sorry planner again thanks chair fest um so i'm

[3:10:29] Planner Eggen (probable): thinking that uh this is and correct me if i'm wrong trustee stanford i'm thinking that this is

[3:10:38] Planner Eggen (probable): uh there's a there's a window that you think is uh good good timing to have this meeting and and

[3:10:45] Planner Eggen (probable): i think it's also related to perhaps a management plan that's coming out in the fall for a particular

[3:10:51] Planner Eggen (probable): And I'm not clear as staff in terms of what the ministry's process is in as far as any referrals that may be coming our way, or how the local trust committee can provide comments on that, or how they engage the public.

[3:11:18] Planner Eggen (probable): and i'm thinking that the best maybe the best way to move forward is for us for staff to be

[3:11:26] Planner Eggen (probable): contacting the province to find out more information about that first and to be coming

[3:11:33] Planner Eggen (probable): back to the local trust committee about about that process um and

[3:11:38] Planner Eggen (probable): opportunities for um public

[3:11:43] Planner Eggen (probable): engagement

[3:11:44] Voice 8: specific to that yeah

[3:11:46] Planner Eggen (probable): specific to that okay um and and you know whether they will be

[3:11:50] Planner Eggen (probable): looking to the local trust committee for comment on on a on a management plan for instance yeah

[3:11:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): they they did 10 years ago they did it had a basic referral through the i i think it was actually

[3:12:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): closer to 12 years ago because it was prior to my time um but there was a basic referral through

[3:12:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): and i'm not even sure if it reached local trust committee or whether it was um just

[3:12:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): ran through the staff so right it's something i'm keeping an eye out for okay

[3:12:24] Trustee Fast (probable): so do you need

[3:12:26] Trustee Fast (probable): a motion oh sorry

[3:12:27] Voice 8: i'm just wondering

[3:12:28] Trustee Fast (probable): trustee rogers so

[3:12:34] Trustee Fast (probable): i i understand what trustee stamford's

[3:12:37] Trustee Fast (probable): trying to achieve here um but i honestly don't think the ocp process is is the right lever to

[3:12:45] Trustee Fast (probable): pull um because it's not ready for it yet um yeah i

[3:12:51] Trustee Fast (probable): think what we need is we need a way to get

[3:12:56] Trustee Fast (probable): information to get a get a meeting where you i know what you want you want the you want the

[3:13:03] Trustee Fast (probable): province or someone from the ministry to come to your island or come to a meeting

[3:13:07] Trustee Fast (probable): and and talk to the community about what their plans are for forestry on now

[3:13:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah. To

[3:13:13] Trustee Fast (probable): which I say, I'm with you and good luck.

[3:13:18] Trustee Fast (probable): But but I would I mean, there's lots of discussions going on at the senior staff level with the ministry right now.

[3:13:31] Trustee Fast (probable): So another avenue might be to request that that senior staff and maybe even the senior government policy advisor.

[3:13:42] Trustee Fast (probable): or sort of talk to the ministry about maybe having a meeting

[3:13:47] Trustee Fast (probable): specifically about Gavir and to talk about what their plans are

[3:13:53] Trustee Fast (probable): for the island so that the community knows.

[3:13:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Because one of the messages that has gone to the ministry

[3:13:59] Trustee Fast (probable): and they keep saying they've heard it and will do better

[3:14:04] Trustee Fast (probable): is that they don't do a very good job on community consultation.

[3:14:09] Trustee Fast (probable): They make decisions and then announce them

[3:14:12] Trustee Fast (probable): instead of coming to the community and and working with the community to talk about it

[3:14:16] Trustee Fast (probable): so it's not well i i can see why you might want to leverage the ocp as an lcc resource

[3:14:22] Trustee Fast (probable): i really think there's probably a better way to do what you want to do and and something that'll

[3:14:28] Trustee Fast (probable): happen in your time frame because i'm hearing from planner egan as well that might be something

[3:14:32] Trustee Fast (probable): we might do a year from now but not something that we're ready to do right now which is when

[3:14:39] Trustee Fast (probable): when you want it and it's I mean I assume it's about Whispering Creek amongst other things well

[3:14:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): that there's two parts to it there's Whispering Creek and um what's happening in a very very

[3:14:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): short timeline uh which has a potential to um be well it already is extremely divisive in the

[3:14:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): community but then there's always that bigger question because we're looking at uh hope well

[3:15:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): well, hopefully a new management plan

[3:15:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): that the community will be able to see

[3:15:08] Trustee Stamford (probable): for the same woodlot.

[3:15:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): What are the policies that govern these projects?

[3:15:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): Because they don't seem to be,

[3:15:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): they're just not clear what these rules are

[3:15:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): that these logging interests have.

[3:15:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then the bigger question is,

[3:15:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): what about the rest of the possible logging opportunities

[3:15:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): that are currently on Gambier,

[3:15:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): which does seem to fit in more

[3:15:37] Trustee Stamford (probable): with the senior staff discussions.

[3:15:40] Trustee Stamford (probable): So there's sort of three different levels here.

[3:15:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, and of course,

[3:15:44] Trustee Fast (probable): we don't know what discussions are happening

[3:15:46] Trustee Fast (probable): with the Squamish either.

[3:15:47] Trustee Stamford (probable): That's correct, yeah.

[3:15:49] Trustee Fast (probable): And we're not likely to.

[3:15:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[3:15:52] Trustee Fast (probable): And come mid-September,

[3:15:55] Trustee Fast (probable): all going well,

[3:15:56] Trustee Fast (probable): we'll be part of a biosphere reserve

[3:15:58] Trustee Fast (probable): and we've got a Howe Sound Community Forum

[3:16:00] Trustee Fast (probable): coming up October 22nd.

[3:16:03] Trustee Fast (probable): so maybe if

[3:16:05] Trustee Fast (probable): if you would like my or or chair fast's assistance in making a request to

[3:16:10] Trustee Fast (probable): uh we have another executive committee meeting on august the 4th if you'd like us to make a

[3:16:17] Trustee Fast (probable): specific request then just tell me or chair fast because she's the chair she could we could make

[3:16:23] Trustee Fast (probable): that request that that in their discussions they you know if you can sort of define what it is you

[3:16:30] Trustee Fast (probable): more yeah

[3:16:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): so um does that

[3:16:33] Voice 8: need a motion

[3:16:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): or should i just um contact you chair fast and copy you just

[3:16:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): contact me okay yeah because i i really i'm trying to make use of an opportunity there's a lull in the

[3:16:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): the logging right now um i just thought it was a way of starting the ocp interest because i keep

[3:16:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): talking about it and i think um having this communications plan and the terms of reference

[3:16:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): go out will be a good start and then this hopefully will come up in conjunction with it but

[3:17:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): i understand it was i i didn't expect it

[3:17:07] Trustee Fast (probable): was worth it

[3:17:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): was a good it was worth the discussion

[3:17:10] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh and we we can think about it going forward and now we get to um uh hopefully people will

[3:17:17] Trustee Fast (probable): apply to be members of the steering committee and we'll be selecting those i guess september

[3:17:22] Trustee Fast (probable): the 30th yes

[3:17:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay so i'll follow

[3:17:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): up with you chair fast right away yeah okay thank you

[3:17:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you for indulging me.

[3:17:30] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[3:17:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Now we're on to item 10.1, which is the email

[3:17:34] Trustee Fast (probable): from Gustafson regarding the Thurmanby Island

[3:17:38] Trustee Fast (probable): gravel disaster and page 76 of our agenda.

[3:17:44] Trustee Fast (probable): And I was hoping

[3:17:48] Trustee Fast (probable): you could speak to this.

[3:17:50] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[3:17:50] Trustee Fast (probable): can speak to this.

[3:17:52] Trustee Fast (probable): I've been in touch with Mr. Gustafson a couple of times

[3:17:56] Trustee Fast (probable): since it's a complicated and convoluted issue

[3:18:01] Trustee Fast (probable): um uh and uh we myself and to some extent uh trustee stanford were involved in in about four

[3:18:10] Trustee Fast (probable): years ago um there's a piece of of land there that is zoned park under our zoning uh the islands

[3:18:18] Trustee Fast (probable): trust zoning for that particular island it's a beautiful piece of property and um the community

[3:18:24] Trustee Fast (probable): uses it as a road to bring all manner of vehicles on that they basically drive right through the

[3:18:32] Trustee Fast (probable): middle of this. And that's been that way forever. And we have tried a number of times to try and

[3:18:41] Trustee Fast (probable): consider alternatives, but it's complicated by the ownership of the land that's next door,

[3:18:48] Trustee Fast (probable): which just happens to be owned by 16 people and who can't all agree what should be done

[3:18:54] Trustee Fast (probable): with the land next door it's a very a very narrow strip of land that would take you right over to

[3:18:59] Trustee Fast (probable): the road in any case short and sweet the scrd came along about four years ago and said we're

[3:19:06] Trustee Fast (probable): responsible for that piece of property and we'll take care of it thank you very much um and the

[3:19:13] Trustee Fast (probable): community and i offered to assist the community in their discussions with the srd and the community

[3:19:18] Trustee Fast (probable): or at least of the GoCroft Improvement District

[3:19:22] Trustee Fast (probable): basically said, no, they'll handle it themselves.

[3:19:24] Trustee Fast (probable): So I said, fine.

[3:19:26] Trustee Fast (probable): And that's pretty much the way it was

[3:19:28] Trustee Fast (probable): until we got this email from Mr. Gustafson.

[3:19:35] Trustee Fast (probable): And I've responded to him saying,

[3:19:37] Trustee Fast (probable): you look, we really need to talk

[3:19:38] Trustee Fast (probable): to the Sunshine Coast Regional District.

[3:19:40] Trustee Fast (probable): I pointed out the zoning on the property

[3:19:43] Trustee Fast (probable): would probably not allow what is occurring,

[3:19:45] Trustee Fast (probable): but there is no other access to the island at this point in time there's no other barge and

[3:19:52] Trustee Fast (probable): vehicle access to the island so that's where it sits i don't i think we can receive it um

[3:19:59] Trustee Fast (probable): and if there's anything further i can report out on it it's um it's uh i wish i i haven't

[3:20:05] Trustee Fast (probable): i i've always thought there's a solution but it requires a lot of people to cooperate so

[3:20:10] Trustee Fast (probable): so

[3:20:11] Trustee Stamford (probable): is it uh through the chair is it worth uh sending this as a copy to um capilano road

[3:20:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): services dan i'm

[3:20:23] Trustee Fast (probable): just looking at all the ccs that are on it

[3:20:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): gary nor don lagoe andrew allen

[3:20:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): angie lagoe there nobody's nobody's uh the scrd uh

[3:20:36] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah a lot of the sam adams is there

[3:20:40] Trustee Fast (probable): so he would have got it he's the he's the uh park management planner yeah um but you're right

[3:20:48] Trustee Fast (probable): there's nobody from there's nobody

[3:20:52] Voice 8: from uh

[3:20:53] Trustee Fast (probable): from i don't i don't know who catch you oh no i i know

[3:20:56] Trustee Fast (probable): why do i know that name catch you well lynch yeah i don't know where she's from she's from the

[3:21:02] Trustee Fast (probable): province but i mean i mean the scrd it will know about this uh through sam um and sorry and lori

[3:21:15] Trustee Fast (probable): and lori oh yeah and lori approach number one so there's i i i honestly until the community decides

[3:21:21] Trustee Fast (probable): they would like me to be involved as an as an advocate for them i i i'm not gonna i don't

[3:21:26] Trustee Fast (probable): think there's much i can do in response to one individual when the when the improvement district

[3:21:30] Trustee Fast (probable): itself has indicated that they and the owners of the property next door have indicated that

[3:21:35] Trustee Fast (probable): they would like to deal with the sunshine coast regional district themselves okay

[3:21:38] Trustee Fast (probable): okay thank you

[3:21:41] Trustee Fast (probable): and uh can can somebody remind me i did see a photo of a bunch of gravel in the water

[3:21:48] Trustee Fast (probable): but i don't see it attached here was that a separate email does anybody remember

[3:21:53] Trustee Fast (probable): i don't remember okay never mind it doesn't matter because we're not going to do anything

[3:21:59] Trustee Fast (probable): thing anyway but let's receive it then for information okay thank you very much and uh

[3:22:07] Trustee Fast (probable): that's what that's what it is okay moving on to 11.1 this is climate change mitigation and

[3:22:14] Trustee Fast (probable): adaptation it's a standing item on our agenda and we want to talk about heat dome water quality

[3:22:19] Trustee Fast (probable): and water testing uh take it away kate louise um

[3:22:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): about 10 days ago we had a situation where

[3:22:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): where because a couple of children seemed to get sick

[3:22:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): after swimming around the New Brighton Dock area,

[3:22:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): a request went out to get water tested

[3:22:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): because of what we'd seen on water quality tests

[3:22:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): around the house sound

[3:22:44] Trustee Stamford (probable): that other areas had been tested by Vancouver Coastal Health.

[3:22:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): I did speak to Vancouver Coastal Health.

[3:22:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): They declined to test the waters.

[3:22:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): So we had somebody come in and do the testing for that dock, as well as for Gambier Harbor.

[3:23:04] Trustee Stamford (probable): Gambier Harbor came back with within normal rates, but New Brighton came back.

[3:23:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): I think to put it in perspective, they put a warning out at over 200 parts per million for coliform and E. coli.

[3:23:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): they closed the beaches at 400 we came back at 1900 so it was very bad we're not entirely sure

[3:23:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): why so the overall question is now there is a move to try and test other beaches around Gambier

[3:23:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): and it's sort of an ad hoc approach my concern more is well maybe we should be included in the

[3:23:49] Trustee Stamford (probable): the Sunshine Coast testing.

[3:23:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I have asked different trustees

[3:23:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): how their beaches are tested or if they're tested

[3:23:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): and whether or not we should be tested.

[3:24:01] Trustee Stamford (probable): And I'm thinking of West Beach on Keats.

[3:24:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): And there's certain beaches that may benefit

[3:24:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): from at least a baseline.

[3:24:10] Trustee Stamford (probable): So we know what we're starting with.

[3:24:12] Trustee Stamford (probable): And then if there is a problem, then we know where to go.

[3:24:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I just heard back from Bonnie Brokenshire from Bowen, and she said that Vancouver Coastal Health does do the testing at their expense on Bowen.

[3:24:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): But right now they're not willing to expand their testing to the islands.

[3:24:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I'd like to be able to advocate that the islands, at least some of their beaches, get tested, even just on a baseline.

[3:24:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): line and

[3:24:49] Trustee Fast (probable): how uh how can we help or what could be the role of the ltc or um i

[3:24:57] Trustee Stamford (probable): i was just thinking i

[3:24:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): would write a letter and if i can do it rather as a local trust committee member or as a local

[3:25:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): trust committee as opposed to an individual so that's where i would go trustee rogers i assume

[3:25:13] Trustee Fast (probable): you've seen the mapping of the testing they do over by gibson's between gibson's and i don't

[3:25:20] Trustee Fast (probable): know if you noticed but there's actually a test on keats landing i

[3:25:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): didn't notice that and i didn't

[3:25:29] Trustee Fast (probable): know it existed um and uh i now sort of quasi determined that that they do it once a year

[3:25:39] Trustee Fast (probable): for Vancouver Coastal Health

[3:25:41] Trustee Fast (probable): and nobody's ever

[3:25:45] Trustee Fast (probable): told us anything about it before

[3:25:46] Trustee Fast (probable): now

[3:25:48] Trustee Fast (probable): and it's actually

[3:25:50] Trustee Fast (probable): the

[3:25:53] Trustee Fast (probable): folks that manage

[3:25:55] Trustee Fast (probable): our septic and water

[3:25:57] Trustee Fast (probable): system

[3:25:58] Trustee Fast (probable): the water systems in

[3:26:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Keats Landing and in

[3:26:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Eastbourne

[3:26:04] Trustee Fast (probable): and they're

[3:26:05] Trustee Stamford (probable): the ones that did the testing for us

[3:26:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): oh

[3:26:08] Trustee Fast (probable): oh so andrew nadler's group okay well they apparently i didn't know this honestly until

[3:26:15] Trustee Fast (probable): about a week ago uh have been on an annual basis doing a test either on one side or the other of

[3:26:22] Trustee Fast (probable): keats landing uh and the test came back fine as i understood it this this this year but that's when

[3:26:31] Trustee Fast (probable): all the beaches between gibsons and langdale were closed yeah because the high testing i think we

[3:26:37] Trustee Fast (probable): could you know if i i'm i'm not actually not as concerned about the east side of because there's

[3:26:43] Trustee Fast (probable): a lot of of a water flow that comes in and out of of that channel there um past the paisleys and

[3:26:51] Trustee Fast (probable): keats and so i don't think this is as concerning uh there's not a lot of enclosed base but i think

[3:26:57] Trustee Fast (probable): it would be worth uh given what occurred and given i that all those beaches are shut down

[3:27:04] Trustee Fast (probable): And given what happened in Gibsons, if we passed a motion to advocate with Vancouver Coastal Health that they do water quality testing on selected places on Keats and Gambier.

[3:27:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): Sorry,

[3:27:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Gambier and Keats.

[3:27:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): um so just for additional information is apparently um um not art yeah artaban camp

[3:27:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): artaban does testing for their beach privately so i'm wondering if the other camps that's how

[3:27:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): they get tested is through the camps so firka might be interested so um i'm willing to spearhead

[3:27:48] Trustee Stamford (probable): this and um so i

[3:27:51] Trustee Fast (probable): want to make a motion yeah

[3:27:52] Trustee Stamford (probable): i moved that the gambier on local trust committee

[3:27:55] Trustee Stamford (probable): write a letter to the vancouver coastal health advocating that select island swimming beaches

[3:28:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): beaches be included in annual marine recreational water quality testing on

[3:28:21] Trustee Fast (probable): gambier and keats um can

[3:28:26] Trustee Stamford (probable): we because it might be worth considering anvil i'm not sure can we just say island beaches

[3:28:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): or

[3:28:33] Trustee Fast (probable): paisley and

[3:28:35] Trustee Stamford (probable): the paisley so and

[3:28:36] Trustee Fast (probable): is it just beaches isn't it harbors too because it's

[3:28:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): it's

[3:28:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's called Recreational Marine.

[3:28:43] Trustee Stamford (probable): So I

[3:28:45] Trustee Fast (probable): was thinking more of your wording that says select beaches.

[3:28:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[3:28:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): So select areas because it could be beaches or harbors.

[3:28:58] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah.

[3:28:59] Trustee Stamford (probable): It's where people swim.

[3:29:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[3:29:01] Trustee Fast (probable): I mean, they

[3:29:02] Trustee Fast (probable): jump off the New Brighton dock.

[3:29:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[3:29:07] Trustee Fast (probable): Some daughters do that.

[3:29:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[3:29:09] Trustee Fast (probable): I just, thank you.

[3:29:11] Trustee Fast (probable): i only added that because i think it's when a staff person is reading a bunch of letters quickly

[3:29:17] Trustee Fast (probable): they read the motion and if it just says island beaches would they know what islands select marine

[3:29:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): areas is what jamie suggests yeah

[3:29:27] Trustee Fast (probable): i'm just so diane the

[3:29:30] Trustee Fast (probable): preamble it'll say which islands are

[3:29:32] Trustee Fast (probable): in the ltc okay gotcha okay and

[3:29:34] Trustee Stamford (probable): did that make sense because we started got convoluted there

[3:29:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): Yeah,

[3:29:38] Voice 5: I'll just read it again. Sure.

[3:29:41] Voice 5: That the GMLTC write a letter to the Vancouver Coastal Health advocating that select marine areas be included in the annual marine recreation water quality testing.

[3:29:55] Voice 5: Thank you. Thank you. And I

[3:29:57] Trustee Fast (probable): see a seconder from Dan Rogers.

[3:30:00] Trustee Fast (probable): um any more discussion all those in favor one two three thank you that passes unanimously

[3:30:09] Trustee Fast (probable): and kate louise is this another letter that you're going to draft yeah okay thank you

[3:30:17] Trustee Fast (probable): very good thank you very much and i think it just for the record it relates to water quality

[3:30:22] Trustee Fast (probable): because of that heat dome and all this yes yeah and i think it's a

[3:30:28] Trustee Fast (probable): really good idea it fits with

[3:30:29] Trustee Fast (probable): with the monitoring part of our climate strategy as well and um uh it'll be very interesting to see

[3:30:39] Trustee Fast (probable): um the impacts of that heat event on uh marine life over the next several years because who

[3:30:47] Trustee Fast (probable): knows how many yeah planning beds or whatever were affected and

[3:30:51] Trustee Stamford (probable): that and just as an idea is like

[3:30:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): i don't think this is directly related to the to the die-off of bivalves but the fact that those

[3:31:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): those bivalves are no longer there could impact the filtering ability that then impacts the

[3:31:07] Trustee Stamford (probable): quality of the water.

[3:31:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah. I don't think we as humans think very much about the filtering ability

[3:31:14] Trustee Fast (probable): of sea life in general, even including those big glass sponge reefs. It's amazing how much water

[3:31:20] Trustee Fast (probable): they, yeah. And that's

[3:31:21] Trustee Stamford (probable): why I don't eat the mussels around Gambier.

[3:31:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Gotcha. Okay. Moving on to 11.2

[3:31:28] Trustee Fast (probable): visual visual quality objectives uh planner dabena has given us some uh paperwork here

[3:31:34] Trustee Fast (probable): starting page 84 uh do we want what do we want to do with um with this opportunity to comment

[3:31:44] Trustee Fast (probable): go ahead trustee rogers my

[3:31:46] Trustee Fast (probable): understanding like it's not in here but my understanding is there

[3:31:49] Trustee Fast (probable): was a letter that was sent from the the people doing this that basically was a referral from

[3:31:54] Trustee Fast (probable): from the fellow from the Sunshine Coast Forestry

[3:31:58] Trustee Fast (probable): that gave local governments and other organizations

[3:32:02] Trustee Fast (probable): till sometime in August to comment if I'm not incorrect.

[3:32:09] Trustee Fast (probable): And I just have to say that we have no technical

[3:32:16] Trustee Fast (probable): or professional capacity to take this on.

[3:32:18] Trustee Fast (probable): um and it's a shame because it's um it's uh it's a big deal in how sound and i know that

[3:32:27] Trustee Fast (probable): amongst others the um the biosphere group and ruth have been working very hard and i think

[3:32:32] Trustee Fast (probable): see the sky is working very hard on this and doing a lot of work on it um as far as i can

[3:32:39] Trustee Fast (probable): understand and i'm afraid it's going to be one of those scenarios where

[3:32:45] Trustee Fast (probable): where the Islands Trust, although we advocated for an extension,

[3:32:50] Trustee Fast (probable): is basically not going to be involved in the commentary.

[3:32:56] Trustee Fast (probable): And I regret that.

[3:32:58] Trustee Fast (probable): But it's just there is no capacity in our trust area services

[3:33:04] Trustee Fast (probable): and our professional staff to deal with this.

[3:33:07] Trustee Fast (probable): And that's just my reaction to it.

[3:33:10] Voice 10: And

[3:33:11] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't think there's any capacity in the Conservancy either, is there?

[3:33:15] Trustee Fast (probable): trustee stanford um

[3:33:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): we had a very brief response to a scenario a specific scenario on um in a

[3:33:25] Trustee Stamford (probable): different regional district um because it it impacted a um an area on one of the islands

[3:33:32] Trustee Stamford (probable): as a viewscape and even though we did make a a comment um based on the referral it was not

[3:33:41] Trustee Stamford (probable): considered correct so um you were they required far more interaction than than what was considered

[3:33:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): normal for that piece of property so it didn't really do any good i guess what i kind of want

[3:33:56] Trustee Stamford (probable): to say about this is um we can as individuals we can say what we want about the visual quality

[3:34:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): objectives i have difficulty with the whole concept in that i don't know how it relates to

[3:34:09] Trustee Stamford (probable): other priorities such as biological diversity or geotechnical areas and so where does it fit

[3:34:20] Trustee Stamford (probable): in that priority and sometimes personally I think people need to see what logging does

[3:34:27] Trustee Stamford (probable): and that by hiding it we actually do the environment a disservice so that's just my

[3:34:33] Trustee Stamford (probable): own personal view but one of the good things that's come out of this is some of the maps

[3:34:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): that have come out from the province uh show some fairly not this map but there's some other maps

[3:34:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): that have come out and they show some fairly problematic understanding of what is considered

[3:34:54] Trustee Stamford (probable): reserves on Gambier so they've missed whole sections of the reserves so that's given me

[3:35:00] Trustee Stamford (probable): the opportunity to work with provincial staff to update their database because they really

[3:35:06] Trustee Stamford (probable): need to do a better job about thank

[3:35:10] Trustee Fast (probable): you trustee stanford and i'll just say from um bowen island

[3:35:15] Trustee Fast (probable): we're not actually in this forest district no but

[3:35:18] Trustee Fast (probable): the big viewpoints on mount uh mount gardner that

[3:35:23] Trustee Fast (probable): look down right across this area uh are not considered because they're not at sea level

[3:35:29] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah there's always something but i think um um but i did pass uh pass take a motion to bowen

[3:35:37] Trustee Fast (probable): council and they're writing a letter as well about the importance of those viewscapes for

[3:35:42] Trustee Fast (probable): everybody in metro vancouver it's becoming a really popular hike up uh to look over but that's

[3:35:48] Trustee Fast (probable): beyond the point we've got like 10 five minutes left in our meeting here so i'm going to leave

[3:35:53] Trustee Fast (probable): that there then thank you very much everybody unless there's some motion coming out of this

[3:35:58] Trustee Fast (probable): not seeing anything okay uh thank you then we'll move on uh to um trust conservancy report

[3:36:07] Trustee Fast (probable): just got a few reports i don't know if there's a lot more business to do so

[3:36:11] Trustee Fast (probable): um let's zip through the reports go ahead kate louise as chair

[3:36:16] Trustee Stamford (probable): yeah as chair of the

[3:36:18] Trustee Stamford (probable): honest trust conservancy we had a fairly productive joint executive itc meeting last week

[3:36:29] Trustee Stamford (probable): and we've got also got a new staff member on board Wendy Tyrell is now taking over our species at

[3:36:38] Trustee Stamford (probable): risk program so we can keep moving on that the annual report is in its final draft and we're

[3:36:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): just waiting for confirmation of our audit report for 2020 and I participated in a dedication

[3:36:53] Trustee Stamford (probable): on satarina island off gabriola uh last the end of last month um and look forward to hopefully

[3:37:03] Trustee Stamford (probable): maybe other donations that um we can make um we can enjoy from these groups that are focusing

[3:37:13] Trustee Stamford (probable): on the islands so we had not only satardina island but also uh point young on luskiti was

[3:37:22] Trustee Stamford (probable): was preserved under the same money as well as West, I think it was West Bolinas Island,

[3:37:30] Trustee Stamford (probable): which is also part of the Island's Trust Area. And they have all been placed under reserve by

[3:37:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): BC Parks Foundation. So thank you very much in the whole for preserving the university on the

[3:37:46] Trustee Stamford (probable): islands. And I think I'll just leave it at that because I know we've got lots going on.

[3:37:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): very

[3:37:51] Trustee Fast (probable): good and if anybody has uh dreams for their land you want to see it natural into the future

[3:37:57] Trustee Fast (probable): talk to kate louise um and uh or she'll direct you to staff so you can speak anonymously

[3:38:03] Trustee Fast (probable): um i'm going to go to the applications report page 90 anybody got questions for uh the planners

[3:38:14] Trustee Fast (probable): go ahead kate louise i

[3:38:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): think it's under here um this is just confirming that sea ranch

[3:38:23] Trustee Stamford (probable): things are moving ahead as much as possible with their potential subdivision and i had got a request

[3:38:31] Trustee Stamford (probable): for more information so um was it was good to see that there's um um some feedback from the

[3:38:39] Trustee Stamford (probable): squamish nation looking for um some more information about their interests so

[3:38:45] Trustee Fast (probable): very good

[3:38:47] Trustee Fast (probable): yeah i see that there any questions or uh comments trustee rogers nope okay then we're

[3:38:56] Trustee Fast (probable): going to move on uh trustee and local expense report page 96

[3:39:00] Voice 9: any

[3:39:07] Trustee Fast (probable): questions for for staff or

[3:39:09] Trustee Fast (probable): comments no all right then moving on um adopted policies and standing resolutions is more for

[3:39:18] Trustee Fast (probable): reference here unless anybody's got any questions uh first nations activities oh go ahead dan

[3:39:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, they're sort of related because I ask this question from time to time.

[3:39:29] Trustee Fast (probable): We're supposed to annually send a letter out to the First Nations, and I would think we're probably about that time to do that again, are we?

[3:39:36] Trustee Fast (probable): I saw Planner Devanna nod.

[3:39:44] Voice 2: Yeah, I believe Will has sent out a letter this year, but maybe she can confirm.

[3:39:49] Voice 2: I don't know if she's still sitting, listening.

[3:39:51] Voice 2: listening it

[3:39:52] Voice 4: it usually gets sent early in the year january february and it was done this year

[3:39:58] Voice 4: in february i believe oh

[3:40:00] Voice 8: it was okay thank you thank you

[3:40:02] Trustee Fast (probable): will and i understand uh elections are

[3:40:05] Trustee Fast (probable): coming up uh for squamish nation shortly uh in which case um we may want to consider another one

[3:40:12] Trustee Fast (probable): at that time okay and i believe they're going from 16 councillors down to eight eight

[3:40:19] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you

[3:40:21] Trustee Fast (probable): and

[3:40:22] Trustee Fast (probable): a number of the councillors that we've worked with over the years uh either aren't running again

[3:40:27] Trustee Fast (probable): so well

[3:40:29] Trustee Fast (probable): we may need to introduce ourselves but let's see what happens we

[3:40:31] Trustee Fast (probable): will have to

[3:40:32] Trustee Fast (probable): need to introduce ourselves yeah

[3:40:34] Trustee Fast (probable): very good okay uh anything else uh first nations activities

[3:40:38] Trustee Fast (probable): 12.5 okay uh 12.6 local trust committee web page i don't know i just use this as an opportunity to

[3:40:47] Trustee Fast (probable): talk about the new website and uh how are your uh constituents finding their way around in it

[3:40:54] Trustee Fast (probable): any or do you want to use the local um trustees corner or whatever it's called in there

[3:41:02] Trustee Fast (probable): for another day yeah let's leave it we'll come back to that another time

[3:41:10] Trustee Fast (probable): um top priorities report page 100 any changes or questions

[3:41:17] Trustee Fast (probable): to flannery to benya hi

[3:41:22] Voice 2: yeah sorry i just wanted to confirm that the gambier lub review should

[3:41:26] Voice 2: still be on the projects um because it's my understanding it's being become incorporated

[3:41:32] Voice 2: into the ocp review but i just wanted to confirm that it

[3:41:36] Voice 9: doesn't

[3:41:39] Voice 2: matter either way it's sitting

[3:41:39] Voice 2: there but i just thought i'd ask yeah

[3:41:42] Trustee Stamford (probable): it looks like it's quite specific but maybe what's coming

[3:41:45] Trustee Stamford (probable): out of the ocp could be quite different so why don't we just leave it there and i'll we'll think

[3:41:50] Trustee Stamford (probable): about it okay okay

[3:41:52] Trustee Fast (probable): and then um projects list is there for a reference page 101 to 103 and

[3:42:03] Trustee Fast (probable): seeing dan's hand but it's just holding on to his forehead that's okay

[3:42:08] Trustee Fast (probable): we'll go on to the information items i mentioned at the beginning they're just there for reference

[3:42:12] Trustee Fast (probable): and we've already made the decision about our next regular meeting scheduled for thursday

[3:42:16] Trustee Fast (probable): day September the 30th we'll be starting at three o'clock and uh going on into the evening with

[3:42:22] Trustee Fast (probable): another online uh community information meeting the night before and um that sounds great um

[3:42:30] Trustee Fast (probable): call for adjournment unless there's anything else anybody nope okay who would like to move

[3:42:38] Trustee Fast (probable): adjournment thank you Kate Louise Stamford I'm

[3:42:42] Voice 10: going against adjournment I'm

[3:42:45] Trustee Fast (probable): not even going to

[3:42:45] Trustee Fast (probable): call the vote. I think somebody just has to raise their hand. Anyway, thanks everybody for a very

[3:42:50] Trustee Fast (probable): productive meeting. And thank you, Planner Dabena and everybody behind the scenes, Diane and Will

[3:42:55] Trustee Fast (probable): and Heather, of course. Thanks. That's great. And we'll see you all in September, if not before.

[3:43:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Bye,

[3:43:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Diane. Thank you,

[3:43:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Sue Ellen. Bye, everyone.

[3:43:05] Trustee Fast (probable): Jamie, I'll be in touch because I'm going to want

[3:43:09] Trustee Fast (probable): to put a communication out about what we did today in terms of the Keats shoreline. And

[3:43:13] Trustee Fast (probable): and trustee stamford if you have some suggestions please feel free to

[3:43:16] Trustee Fast (probable): send them to me as well

[3:43:17] Trustee Stamford (probable): okay okay okay all right bye diane bye diane thanks everybody bye

[3:43:22] Trustee Fast (probable): heather

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July 22, 2021 
 
Gambier Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
 
July 22, 2021 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 Dan Rogers, Local Trustee 
 Kate-Louise Stamford, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Jaime Dubyna, Island Planner 
 Marnie Eggen, Island Planner 
 Wil Cottingham, Administrative Assistant 
 Diane Corbett, Recorder 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Fast called the meeting to order at 10:31 am.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of Coast Salish First Nations. Chair Fast invited trustees to introduce 
themselves, and introduced staff in attendance. 
The Chair announced that the meeting was being conducted via Zoom, live streamed and 
recorded. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
Addendum to the agenda:  
8.1 Referral Request for Response from Sunshine Coast Regional District regarding 
Renaming Halkett Bay Dock 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
9.2.1 Public meeting with FLNRORD staff to discuss forestry issues on Gambier Island 
11.1  Marine water testing for recreational areas within the Gambier Local Trust Area islands 
By general consent the agenda was approved as amended. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Stamford reported that, moving into the summer season, she had been 
primarily dealing with local one-off issues, including lots of questions that pertained to 
quality of road maintenance, safety issues, and fire. After the June Trust Council and July 
8 Special Council meetings, several responses were received regarding the draft Trust 
Policy Statement. 

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Other activities included: 
 Attended Marine Reference Guide launch  
 Attended Ocean Watch Action Committee meeting 
 Working on a new resident welcome package which includes Islands Trust items of 
interest 
 Involved in work through Islands Trust Conservancy 
Trustee Rogers reported he had had a busy month, with much involvement with Trust 
Council and its work with the draft Trust Policy Statement, which had caught the 
attention of a number of people in the Local Trust Area. Hundreds of emails regarding 
the Trust Policy Statement had been received; reading those and responding to them 
had been time consuming. That process of community consultation will continue 
through the remainder of this year into next year. 
Other activities included: 
 Process of developing a consultation program for throughout the Islands Trust was 
started at the Executive Committee meeting of July 21. 
 Received a number of emails from Keats about Keats Island Foreshore Project.  
 Acknowledged the work of Keats Conservation Group; trustee had been observing 
and assisting where he could, and was working to help establish a relationship with 
the Squamish Nation, such as around the Sandy Beach Nature Reserve. 
 Discussed a project to remediate some of the damage to West Beach that includes 
sea damage and run-off; has been trying to find ways to involve the SCRD. 
 Acknowledged people working on an ongoing project to catalogue and identify 
species on Keats Island; indicated he would ensure they are connected with Islands 
Trust Conservancy. 
 Noted the real estate market is incredibly hot, with high prices and fast sales; trying 
to connect with new people on the island to help them understand role of Islands 
Trust. 
 Keats and Eastbourne are on the SCRD water system and are at stage 4 water 
restrictions. Water is a huge issue on the island right now. Please restrict water use 
on the islands.  
3.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Fast noted the projects included in the agenda for information: 14.1 on the Trust 
Policy Statement Project and 14.2 on highlights from recent Trust Council meetings. 
Chair Fast chaired the Hornby Local Trust Committee on July 16, and attends Bowen 
Island Municipal Council meetings every two weeks (next meeting: July 26). 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report – None  
Trustee Rogers reported that the Sunshine Coast Regional District had done a 
Community Wildfire Protection Plan. The original intent of the plan included various 
islands, including Keats, Gambier and Thormanby. The trustee was disappointed to 
discover that the plan is light on an examination of what is going on those three 
populated islands. He had been in touch with the SCRD and encouraged them to provide 
assistance to various groups on islands, and planning for those groups. 
4. DELEGATIONS – None  

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5. TOWN HALL 
There were no members of the public present for the Town Hall session. 
6. MINUTES 
6.1 Local Trust Committee Meeting dated May 27, 2021 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of May 27, 2021 were 
adopted. 
6.2 Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record dated May 27, 2021 
Received. 
6.3 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated July 14, 2021 
Received. 
6.4 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes – none 
7. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
7.1 Follow-up Action List dated July 14, 2021 
Received. 
There was discussion of suggested agenda topics for a scheduled meeting with the SCRD 
on October 18: 
 communication – pertaining mainly to how trustees are notified of SCRD issues that 
affect the islands, such as the Community Wildfire Protection Plan;  
 emergency services – Trustee Stamford had received some specific questions 
around evacuation for the island, and reached out to the Emergency Services 
Program staff person at the SCRD who advised that it would need to be worked out. 
Basic evacuation planning support would be helpful. 
Regarding the Metro Vancouver meeting item on the list, Island Planner Dubyna 
announced that it was agreed in 2019 to have one meeting per term.  
Trustee Rogers noted that, with the exception of access issues to Passage Island, he had 
no issues from Bowyer or Passage. He advised he would follow up on this. 
Chair Fast announced that Metro Vancouver has a new forest ecosystem connectivity 
report that she would send to the planner and trustees for information and a mapping 
portal. 
8. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS  
8.1 Referral Request for Response from Sunshine Coast Regional District regarding 
Renaming Halkett Bay Dock 
Island Planner Dubyna reported that this referral was received by staff, and inquired as 
to what the trustees would like to do with it; a response was requested by September 
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Trustee Stamford reported that this has been an item of interest for several years, 
especially in that area. Locals tend to call this Fircom Dock. It would be very 
straightforward support to the local community to provide clarity for emergency 
services. The trustee was supportive of the idea of local First Nations coming up with an 
alternative name, and expressed general support for the idea of renaming. 
Trustee Rogers strongly supported renaming and thought the LTC should write and 
encourage renaming along an indigenous line; given the history of the name “Fircom”, 
given the strong interest on Gambier as the heart of the Squamish territory, and given 
there is a welcome figure at the top of that dock (a collaborative project involving the 
Squamish Nation), the trustee strongly suggested that the SCRD work with Squamish 
Nation and come up with an indigenous name. 
GM-2021-048 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request a letter from the Chair be sent to 
the SCRD supporting a renaming of the SCRD Halkett Bay Dock and supporting the SCRD 
to work with local First Nations to develop an appropriate name for the dock. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Stamford will forward a draft letter for internal review. 
9. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
9.1 Keats Island Shoreline Protection Project 
Island Planner Dubyna discussed the staff report on the Keats Island Shoreline 
Protection Project. Staff requested that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee (LTC) 
consider draft Bylaw Nos. 153 (OCP) and 154 (LUB), which would: 
 amend the Keats Island Official Community Plan (OCP) and Land Use Bylaw (LUB), 
respectively, to establish a new Shoreline Development Permit Area (DP-3) and  
 amend siting regulations in relation to the setback from the natural boundary of the 
sea, and marine structure regulations. 
The staff report described Draft Bylaws 153 and 154, intended to establish a 
Development Permit Area for the shoreline. The drafts had been forwarded to First 
Nations. Comments received to date indicate general support and directed staff to the 
shíshálh (Sechelt) Nation’s Dock Guidelines. 
Staff fielded and responded to trustee questions and comments that included: 
 Extensive discussion of mooring buoys: 
o Currently permitted in most of the marine based zones. 
o The DPA within the marine area could include guidelines on mooring buoys, 
but they are difficult to regulate. 
o Were removed from the exemptions in the Draft Bylaw 154. Are currently 
regulated through the Land Use Bylaw. Setbacks are a form of regulation. 
o Feedback from community members noted that mooring buoys have been an 
issue around Keats. 
o Mooring buoys are currently not permitted in Marine Conservation zoned 
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o Seems problematic to regulate mooring buoys as a structure & require a 
Development Permit for every mooring buoy. One side of Keats Island has lots 
of docks; the other has lots of mooring buoys. 
o Proliferation of mooring buoys over the past few years. 
o Suggestion to use “eelgrass friendly” buoys that attaches a float to a chain so 
the mooring buoy does not cause as much damage on the sea floor. 
Further discussion points included: 
 Looking ahead to the future with this development permit area. 
 Platforms: type, size and function; use for recreational and other purposes. 
 Include an exemption for people to remove vegetation that is a fire hazard, 
enhancing “FireSmart” principles on properties.  
 Simplify language to help people be more comfortable about what this would entail. 
 Question about whether or not it is worth losing the good will of the community by 
putting in the 15 m DPA now. The intent of that was to support better protection 
around the high water mark. This would have an impact on small properties around 
Keats. 
 This has been on our agenda 2.5 - 3 years: did community consultation in 2019 
including open house events on Keats and in West Vancouver; created a Working 
Group, active for about a year; had a staff report reporting back the Working 
Group’s work; and a draft bylaw was brought forward.   
 Amending 7.5 m setback to 15 m is a major change. There are a lot of structures 
mostly on the west side facing the Sunshine Coast that are all in the setback, as a 
result of historical development, in light of the Land Use Contract and topography. 
This is problematic with respect to creating new rules for existing development as 
opposed to new development.  
 The level of engagement and the process has been quite positive to date. Do not 
want to throw in something unexpected, like 15 m versus 7.5 m setback. Send this 
out to the community prior to first reading, our way of saying here is what we are 
thinking, give us feedback.  
 Get this to the community for consultation and information sessions sooner than 
later. We are ready to go now. Go in the fall not over winter. Get feedback on 
specific issues. 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED 
by the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee that Appendix 1 of Bylaw No. 154, 9.3.2 be 
amended by adding a new paragraph c that says “mooring buoys”, and the remainder of 
the exemptions be renumbered. 
CARRIED 
GM-2021-050 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
by the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee that Appendix 1 of Bylaw No. 154, 9.3.2 be 
amended by adding a new sub-paragraph that reads “Vegetation removal to prevent 
wildfire or other potential emergencies”. 
CARRIED 

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GM-2021-051 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 153, cited as “Keats Island 
Official Community Plan, 2002, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, be read a first time.  
CARRIED 
Trustees expressed concern that:  
 there is a plain language document explaining what this referral and consultation is;  
 the document describes that this process is about the LTC listening to referral agencies and 
peoples’ feedback before giving second reading. 
GM-2021-052 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed the Islands Trust Policy 
Statement Directives Only Checklist and determined that Bylaw No. 153, cited as “Keats 
Island Official Community Plan, 2002, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, is not contrary or at 
variance with the Islands Trust Policy Statement.  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-053 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 154, as amended, cited as 
“Keats Island Land Use Bylaw, 2002, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, be read a first time.  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-054 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed the Islands Trust Policy 
Statement Directives Only Checklist and determined that Bylaw No. 154, as amended, 
cited as “Keats Island Land Use Bylaw, 2002, Amendment No. 1, 2021”, is not contrary 
or at variance with the Islands Trust Policy Statement.  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-055 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee amend 5a to add the Eastbourne 
Community Association, the Keats Landing Leaseholders Group, Keats Camp, Barnabas 
Family Ministries, the Keats Conservation Group, and the Keats Foreshore Working 
Group. 
CARRIED 
GM-2021-056 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to refer Bylaw Nos. 153 and 
154 to the following agencies and First Nations:  
a. Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development, 
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Trust Committee, Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee and Galiano Island Local 
Trust Committee.  
b. Squamish Nation, Tsleil-Waututh Nation, Musqueam Nation, Sechelt Nation, Halalt 
First Nation, Penelakut Tribe, Lake Cowichan First Nation, Cowichan Tribes, 
Stz’uminus First Nation, Lyackson First Nation, Snaw’Naw’As Nation and Te’Mexw 
Treaty Association.  
c. Eastbourne Community Association, Keats Landing Leaseholders Group, Keats 
Camp, Barnabas Family Ministries, Keats Conservation Group, and the Keats 
Foreshore Working Group. 
CARRIED 
Chair Fast recessed the meeting at 12:11 pm. 
Chair Fast recalled the meeting to order at 12:41 pm. 
Discussion ensued on the following: 
 Legal review of draft bylaws; 
 Community consultation options, public input, and online and public meetings; 
 Timeline, timing and venues for community consultation. 
GM-2021-057 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee amend the Workplan Overview of the 
Project Charter v. 1 of the Keats Island Shoreline Protection Project to insert a 
community information/public input session in the fall of 2021 prior to second reading, 
and remove the legal review. 
CARRIED 
GM-2021-058 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee endorse the Revised ‘Keats Island 
Shoreline Protection Phase 3 Project Charter v.1’, as amended, dated July 22, 2021.  
CARRIED 
GM-2021-059 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to organize an electronic 
Local Trust Committee community information meeting and public input session on the 
Keats Island Shoreline Protection Project for September 29 in the evening. 
CARRIED 
GM-2021-060 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request staff to adjust the start time for 
the September 30 Local Trust Committee meeting to commence at 3:00 pm, and 
schedule a community information meeting public input session commencing at 6:30 
pm, both of which will be in person meetings. 
CARRIED 

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9.2 Gambier Island Official Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw Targeted Review Project  
9.2.1 Public meeting with FLNRORD staff to discuss forestry issues on Gambier Island 
Island Planner Eggen discussed the staff report on the Gambier Island Official 
Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw Targeted Review Project that recommended 
establishing a working group. Additionally, proposed changes to the project charter, 
proposed outlines for topic areas, and a draft Terms of reference for a working group 
were presented. The focus of a working group would be to provide input on the 
eventual community engagement and communications plan, assist with that plan’s 
implementation, participate in consultation events, and review discussion papers.  
Points from discussion included: 
 Thanks to staff for putting this together; makes the process more clear; outlines of 
discussion papers is an efficient way to move forward. 
 Concern: finding people willing to commit to two years, and level of commitment 
this would require. Consider expanding number of members with revolving 
participation based on interest, such as participating in the docks discussion paper 
or forestry. This would allow them a lower commitment level. 
o Concern about how this would affect quorum. 
 Invite people from different areas of the island, Fircom Plateau, Brigade Bay, West 
Bay, etc. 
 Budget does not indicate kind of resources the working group will have.  
o Staff noted that meeting notes will be taken by staff and meetings will be held 
electronically in the first phase. 
o Stipend available for First Nations that are attending. 
 Consideration of the number of members in the working group. 
 Like electronic meetings/Zoom as a way of getting the process going in the first 
phase. 
GM-2021-061 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee amend the Gambier Island Official 
Community Plan and Land Use Bylaw Targeted Review Project Working Group Draft 
Terms of Reference dated July 2021 for a select committee of eight volunteers serving 
for a term of two years. 
CARRIED 
GM-2021-062 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee request that the Forest Ecosystem 
Protection Discussion Paper Outline is amended by adding the topic “Cumulative Effects 
Assessment in Howe Sound”. 
CARRIED 

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GM-2021-063 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee endorse the ‘Terms of Reference’, as 
amended, dated July 2021, for the ‘Gambier Island Official Community Plan and Land 
Use Bylaw Targeted Review’ and request staff to solicit expressions of interest for 
volunteer members from the following:  
a. Sḵwxw
̱
 ú7mesh (Squamish) Nation  
b. səli̓
 
lwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-waututh) Nation  
c. xwməθkwəy
̓
əm (Musqueam) Indian Band  
d. Gambier Island Conservancy  
e. Gambier Island Community Association  
f. Community members at large. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Stamford explained that parts of Cotton Bay were not part of the official OCP. 
There was a point where the owner of Cotton Bay declined to participate; the area has 
never been put back into the current OCP. 
GM-2021-064 
It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee include the currently excluded area of 
Cotton Bay into the new Official Community Plan Land Use Bylaw Targeted Review 
Project Charter under “Scope”. 
CARRIED 
Trustees and staff considered possibilities regarding arranging for a FLNRORD Ministry 
staff representative to attend a public meeting on forestry issues on Gambier. Trustee 
Stamford will follow up with Chair Fast prior to the August 4 Executive Committee 
meeting regarding a request that senior staff follow up with the Ministry on having a 
public meeting on Gambier. 
10. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
10.1 Email from K. Gustavson regarding Thormanby Island Gravel Disaster 
An email from K. Gustavson, dated June 30, 2021, regarding Thormanby Island Gravel 
Disaster was received for information. Discussion ensued. Trustee Rogers indicated he 
had been in contact with the writer, and described the situation pertaining to an area 
under SCRD jurisdiction on Thormanby Island being used for barge and vehicle access. 
There had been no community request to the LTC for advocacy on this issue. 
11. NEW BUSINESS 
11.1 Climate Change Mitigation and Adaptation 
11.1.1 Marine water testing for recreational areas within the Gambier Local Trust Area 
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Trustee Stamford described a recent situation pertaining to some children feeling sick 
after swimming in the New Brighton dock area. After Vancouver Coastal Health had 
declined to test the water, a company was hired to conduct E. coli testing, which 
rendered a very high count.  Vancouver Coastal Health did follow up with a second test 
that saw the counts return to normal.  Discussion ensued. 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED 
that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee write a letter to Vancouver Coastal 
Health advocating that select marine areas be included in annual marine recreational 
water quality testing. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Stamford will draft a letter. 
11.2 Visual Quality Objectives 
Trustees discussed the announcement of the Sunshine Coast Natural Resource District 
of the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development 
regarding an extension of the commenting period on the Ministry’s “Visual Quality 
Objectives” (through sections 7(1) and 7(2) of the Government Actions Regulation for 
the Forest and Range Practices Act).  
Points from discussion included: 
 Islands Trust has no technical or professional capacity in Trust Area Services and 
professional staff to deal with this. It (visual quality) is a big deal in Howe Sound. It 
will be a scenario where Islands Trust is not involved in the commentary; I regret 
that. 
 As individuals we can say what we want. I have difficulty with the concept; don’t 
know how it relates to other objectives, like biological diversity. People need to see 
what logging does.  
 A good thing coming out of this: maps from the Province. This presents an 
opportunity for provincial staff to update their database. 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated May 25, 2021 
Trustee Stamford, Chair of Islands Trust Conservancy (ITC), reported on: 
 Productive joint Executive Committee-Islands Trust Conservancy meeting the 
previous week. 
 New staff member Wendy Tyrell, to focus on Species at Risk. 
 Annual report being drafted. 
 Participation in dedication at an island off Gabriola in June. 
 ITC grants to Denman Conservancy Association and Salt Spring Island Water 
Preservation Society. 
12.2 Applications Report dated July 14, 2021 
Received. 

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12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated May, 2021 
Received. 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received. 
12.5 First Nations Activities 
There was discussion about the annual letter sent to First Nations. Correspondence was 
sent out in February this year. It was noted that First Nations elections would be coming 
up soon and suggested that correspondence be sent around that time. 
12.6 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
There was no discussion regarding the Local Trust Committee Webpage. 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Top Priorities Report dated July 14, 2021 
Received. 
13.2 Projects List Report dated July 14, 2021 
Received. 
14. INFORMATION ITEMS 
14.1 Policy Statement Project 
https://islandstrust.bc.ca/about-us/policy-statement/  
Received. 
14.2 Trust Council - Decision Highlights - June 8-9, 2021 
Received. 
15. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
15.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 3:00 pm - 
location to be announced 
16. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:14 pm. 
 
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Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Diane Corbett, Recorder