Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, August 19, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 10: Well, we have some good things that David has created that we'll get to add. Hi, David.

[0:00:09] Voice 10: Check out.

[0:00:11] Voice 6: Hi, Lisa. Good morning. I

[0:00:19] Voice 10: saw Laura earlier. Hi, Laura. All right. Well, Jenny,

[0:00:27] Voice 10: should we get started? Or wait a couple minutes? All right. Well, it's 10 a.m., I guess.

[0:00:38] Voice 10: Yes, thanks for being here, and I am so grateful to be here on Salt Spring Island, in the traditional

[0:00:48] Voice 10: territories of the Coast Salish people, the Hul'q'umi'num and Tsench'ot'in speaking bands,

[0:00:54] Voice 10: and this beautiful, this beautiful land and place and continuity of human culture that

[0:01:04] Voice 10: It continues on over 10,000 years or more.

[0:01:10] Voice 10: And here we are in 2021, envisioning something for the very short span of perhaps 50 years from now.

[0:01:19] Voice 10: And maybe we can cast our minds even further down the road to imagine what it could be for the people and the place and the animals and plants thousands of years from now.

[0:01:33] Voice 10: so uh first we have uh the roll call so um am i coming through clearly or is there a

[0:01:44] Voice 10: yeah okay good uh roll call so um uh it looks like mike best will still be joining us

[0:01:52] Voice 10: i'm

[0:01:53] Voice 4: here i'm here oh

[0:01:55] Voice 10: there you are oh i can see you now sorry mike best here eric booth

[0:01:59] Voice 10: here

[0:02:00] Voice 5: david

[0:02:02] Voice 10: dennison here john gold here

[0:02:06] Voice 11: bob

[0:02:08] Voice 10: mckay i think i think it was his wife's birthday or

[0:02:15] Voice 10: something so we'll see if he shows up um jenny mclean

[0:02:18] Voice 5: here

[0:02:19] Voice 10: sebastian moffat chris planbeck who's

[0:02:27] Voice 10: no longer, as I understand, has decided to stop participating. Is that right, Louisa?

[0:02:41] Voice 6: Yes, he stepped down due to personal education.

[0:02:45] Voice 6: Okay, and

[0:02:46] Voice 10: same with Jenny. So, great. Now we have the approval of last month's agenda.

[0:02:59] Voice 10: Agenda. Any changes? Any proposed changes? John?

[0:03:09] Voice 11: Yeah, I think on page three, there's a reference

[0:03:12] Voice 11: to Bettis Road. And I think it should read up to Bettis Road, rather than just to Bettis Road

[0:03:22] Voice 11: kind of infers that we're talking about taking the designation up Bettis Road. I think it was

[0:03:29] Voice 11: the intent was it would go up Fulford Ganges Road to Bettis Road. So I think if it just reads up to

[0:03:34] Voice 11: we got this rose it'll be correct all

[0:03:40] Voice 5: right hi

[0:03:44] Voice 12: robin um i was missed on the roll call so i just

[0:03:47] Voice 12: want to have my

[0:03:48] Voice 10: name included in the

[0:03:49] Voice 12: minutes so

[0:03:50] Voice 10: sorry everyone i saw you there but i was reading

[0:03:54] Voice 10: off this old yeah

[0:03:55] Voice 12: no problem yeah thanks all

[0:03:59] Voice 10: right well um i guess we'll make that with that

[0:04:05] Voice 10: change to the minutes, I propose we adopt the agenda as it is. Would somebody like to make a

[0:04:19] Voice 10: motion? I guess John makes

[0:04:22] Voice 11: a motion. I'll move to adopt the minutes as amended.

[0:04:26] Voice 10: And a seconder.

[0:04:28] Voice 10: and eric all those in favor all

[0:04:31] Voice 5: those

[0:04:33] Voice 10: opposed uh agendas passed all right or i mean minutes

[0:04:39] Voice 10: are passed approval of minutes i guess i was supposed to make uh changes to the agenda up

[0:04:44] Voice 10: front so maybe we can go back to that um here we have an agenda i think there are a few things that

[0:04:54] Voice 10: people wanted to make sure that were addressed in the agenda are there any proposed additions

[0:05:02] Voice 10: to the agenda John just

[0:05:07] Voice 11: a quick question on the previous agendas we had the draft of vision

[0:05:11] Voice 11: statement I you know I spent some time with that and and may have a number of comments

[0:05:16] Voice 11: I can make those directly I just wondering if it is it meant to be removed from the agenda

[0:05:20] Voice 11: or how the staff would like us to contribute anything we did on the any work we did on the

[0:05:27] Voice 11: vision statement um

[0:05:30] Voice 10: well just just to uh explain why this agenda is is is less full than the

[0:05:38] Voice 10: previous was the idea being that um we were having trouble moving through the different

[0:05:43] Voice 10: tasks and so the vision statement was causing a lot of consternation with some members and so

[0:05:50] Voice 10: it seemed that the best thing would be to see if we can all get on the same page with one

[0:05:56] Voice 10: or two things instead of having all of them at once. And the simplest things would be what is

[0:06:04] Voice 10: our study area and what are the chapter or elements that we need to address in this plan.

[0:06:13] Voice 10: And then if we can actually come to agreement on that, maybe we could move on to something as

[0:06:18] Voice 10: complicated as the vision statement. I know there was, David has done a lot of really great work,

[0:06:32] Voice 10: and when we get to the study area boundary, I guess, is that all right, David? I would propose

[0:06:37] Voice 10: that we share your video as part of that, and I don't know if I can get, if David can have a share

[0:06:47] Voice 10: screen or I can have a share screen at that point. I'll

[0:06:53] Voice 13: share my screen. I also have it in PDF. So

[0:06:58] Voice 13: I was going to send it after, but I could send it now whenever you, I don't want to distract from,

[0:07:04] Voice 13: I want to make sure.

[0:07:07] Voice 10: So Bob McKay is here too. Okay. How does that work, Rob? The best way to

[0:07:12] Voice 10: share that? Are you still there?

[0:07:16] Voice 2: Yep. I'm still here. They should have that option on the bottom

[0:07:19] Voice 2: of your screen we haven't limited that if there's any issues while you're going through it i'll

[0:07:23] Voice 2: assist at the time

[0:07:25] Voice 10: okay great so david you can share at that time okay and um i guess if we have

[0:07:33] Voice 10: time at the end it would be nice uh to look at the um the spreadsheet that uh you've put together

[0:07:42] Voice 10: and john and bob and others have looked at and mike is that does that work for you um we add that

[0:07:50] Voice 10: as an element after the study area boundary and the proposed area plan elements or maybe it'll

[0:07:56] Voice 10: come up as part of the area plan elements yeah

[0:08:04] Voice 13: i'm personally i'm flexible on that

[0:08:07] Voice 13: there's already been a lot of really good feedback and that's kind of what i was hoping for you know

[0:08:13] Voice 13: just putting it together did a lot of there's there's a lot of thinking that you got to go

[0:08:20] Voice 13: through to try and get your head around it john

[0:08:25] Voice 9: well

[0:08:27] Voice 11: i'm kind of hearing that we want to amend

[0:08:30] Voice 11: the agenda to have a presentation from david and um i don't know anything about this so i'm a little

[0:08:35] Voice 11: bit inclined not to support the last minute presentations by individuals on the agenda

[0:08:42] Voice 10: yeah well i think sharing it amongst us all on that email that you carefully responded to as

[0:08:48] Voice 10: well john that's a good first step and then maybe um that'll lead to another okay well let's jump

[0:08:53] Voice 13: Yeah, Robin, I think John was referring to the presentation that you've seen that he hasn't seen.

[0:09:01] Voice 10: Oh, no, it's just

[0:09:03] Voice 10: the video

[0:09:04] Voice 10: you've put together.

[0:09:05] Voice 10: I think that's helpful for the study area boundary.

[0:09:10] Voice 10: It's less than a minute.

[0:09:12] Voice 10: It's just a quick map, series of maps.

[0:09:18] Voice 10: So, let's see with, let's see with the sounds like what I'm hearing is that we go ahead with the agenda as it stands. And I guess I propose adding the video, a very short video of like a series of maps that are all publicly available that David has put

[0:09:38] Voice 10: together just to get us on the same map uh headspace um with the study area boundary

[0:09:44] Voice 10: um discussion and uh with that um can we adopt the agenda with that additional video

[0:09:54] Voice 10: um is anybody ready for that

[0:09:57] Voice 7: i'd so move all right

[0:10:00] Voice 7: second okay

[0:10:02] Voice 10: and all in favor and all opposed

[0:10:06] Voice 10: all right the agenda is passed so moving on to new meeting schedule and location

[0:10:14] Voice 10: um there was a survey sent out to all of us and i have to um apologize too i don't think all of us

[0:10:21] Voice 10: filled it out but there was a verbal interest by those who didn't fill it out in having um

[0:10:28] Voice 10: twice a month meetings um with with some site visits so um i passed it on to you lisa

[0:10:36] Voice 10: I

[0:10:38] Voice 6: believe Rob has the update. Rob, are you available for that?

[0:10:46] Voice 2: Yeah, certainly. So based on the feedback, it's twice monthly is what's requested on the survey.

[0:10:59] Voice 2: It seems there's no, because we only had five respondents, the best day of the week is not very

[0:11:07] Voice 2: very clear. Um, and so that's, you know, up for you to direct us. We can't really say, um, so

[0:11:15] Voice 2: twice a month mornings and day of the week is unclear. Uh, we would of course be continuing

[0:11:23] Voice 2: with the Thursday morning meeting with all staff or, you know, with, with, uh, you know, beyond

[0:11:29] Voice 2: just the minute taker present. And then the second meeting is whatever works best for you guys. It

[0:11:37] Voice 2: two meetings a month is what you would like and mornings is preferred and then the day of the

[0:11:44] Voice 2: week is up to you guys for that second meeting um

[0:11:48] Voice 10: are people interested in uh just continuing

[0:11:51] Voice 10: on with thursdays

[0:11:53] Voice 8: yes yes all in

[0:11:58] Voice 10: favor of thursdays looks like we're good with mostly

[0:12:04] Voice 10: thursdays mike did you have a comment no

[0:12:10] Voice 4: that's fine sorry yeah okay

[0:12:12] Voice 10: all right so yeah rob uh

[0:12:14] Voice 10: thursdays sound great so

[0:12:20] Voice 2: it'll be noted in the minutes that um i assume for twice a month we

[0:12:25] Voice 2: will continue with this this is the third wednesday like that's the other pieces um

[0:12:32] Voice 2: Um,

[0:12:33] Voice 5: when

[0:12:35] Voice 2: we look for ensuring we have, we, we have two task forces that would like to

[0:12:40] Voice 2: do twice a month, uh, I guess, um, it

[0:12:45] Voice 10: would be the first Thursday of the month and the

[0:12:48] Voice 10: third Thursday of the month.

[0:12:49] Voice 10: Is that right?

[0:12:50] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:12:52] Voice 6: Sorry, chair.

[0:12:54] Voice 6: First Thursday is going to be the other task force will be using the facility.

[0:12:59] Voice 6: So for the fully staffed meeting.

[0:13:06] Voice 10: well but oh we just have to find another facility then so

[0:13:12] Voice 5: i guess is

[0:13:16] Voice 10: that does that seem like the

[0:13:18] Voice 10: best way forward we just find another facility or meet at a different location with our

[0:13:24] Voice 10: i guess

[0:13:27] Voice 6: i would defer that to rob because right now the facility will be the church

[0:13:33] Voice 6: and i'm not sure i i think earlier on we did look at different facilities and i think we are finding

[0:13:41] Voice 6: it challenging to find uh one that meet the public meeting criteria that we usually require

[0:13:49] Voice 6: uh sufficient parking and access all the other stuff but i think rob may be able to do a bit

[0:13:56] Voice 6: more research on that she just i think the main thing is he needs to know um how often you guys

[0:14:02] Voice 6: want to meet and when you want to meet. Am I correct, Rob?

[0:14:05] Voice 2: Yep. If first and third Thursdays

[0:14:09] Voice 2: in the morning is the preference, I can confirm that the third Thursday meeting where Louisa

[0:14:15] Voice 2: will be present with the minute taker will be at the Baptist Church basement. It's very

[0:14:23] Voice 2: non-denominational in the basement. I was just there yesterday. And it's a great facility.

[0:14:30] Voice 2: and we will find an alternate space for you to meet otherwise.

[0:14:37] Voice 2: And I can work with that.

[0:14:39] Voice 2: So just to be clear that it's first and third in the mornings,

[0:14:44] Voice 2: assuming 10 a.m. is morning.

[0:14:46] Voice 2: And of course, with some flexibility based on this first Thursday

[0:14:51] Voice 2: and finding a meeting space for you, we'll work from there.

[0:14:56] Voice 2: i

[0:14:57] Voice 10: think uh mike had a suggestion on uh maybe the upstairs of the um where the building the crd

[0:15:07] Voice 10: building uh permits you know it's maybe thrifty zones that uh meeting room up there i thought it

[0:15:15] Voice 10: was crd we

[0:15:17] Voice 2: have a long list of meeting rooms so i'll just start with the least expensive and work

[0:15:20] Voice 2: my way up and see the availability it's more about just knowing the time and the frequency and

[0:15:26] Voice 2: And I'm sure there's somewhere that we can get you on a regular basis.

[0:15:30] Voice 2: And now that you've provided it clear, we can make it work.

[0:15:35] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:15:36] Voice 8: Isn't it the case that the other task force, the housing task force, generally meets from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m., one Thursday per month?

[0:15:47] Voice 8: So they're meeting today at the basement of the Baptist Church from 1 to 3.

[0:15:53] Voice 8: And so are you saying that they're already meeting for two meetings a month and they've started this process even before our group started the process and now they're meeting once in the afternoon on a Thursday and once in the morning on a Thursday?

[0:16:08] Voice 8: No,

[0:16:09] Voice 2: that's not what we're saying at all, Jenny.

[0:16:10] Voice 2: We're saying that we have two task forces that would

[0:16:13] Voice 2: like to meet more frequently and it's very hard to coordinate.

[0:16:16] Voice 2: Nate. We're just as challenged by this as you are, but we will do our best to provide you

[0:16:24] Voice 2: exactly what you're asking for. And you may not be able to attend a housing meeting because they

[0:16:30] Voice 2: want to meet at the exact same time that you do. And they're their own commission and they make

[0:16:35] Voice 2: their own decisions on their own. But both meetings will receive whichever frequency of

[0:16:41] Voice 2: meetings they want at whatever time they want and we'll go from there okay

[0:16:46] Voice 8: i wasn't intending to

[0:16:48] Voice 8: i'm just i just have this comment i'm not intending to make you feel defensive because i felt like

[0:16:53] Voice 8: that when you answered me um i'm actually just trying to find out when could you provide us

[0:16:59] Voice 8: the dates and times if the other group is meeting so that it would be good to know because and when

[0:17:06] Voice 8: did they start meeting twice per month i mean that's just information it's not meant to make

[0:17:10] Voice 8: you feel defensive just like if you can tell me i'll write it down right now so

[0:17:14] Voice 6: chair uh just want

[0:17:15] Voice 6: to let the group know that to answer the question the housing task force when moving down to the

[0:17:21] Voice 6: morning for the uh to be on the first of uh first first day of each month because uh that tend to

[0:17:29] Voice 6: work better for them we have other commissioners uh meetings and there has been time they kind of

[0:17:35] Voice 6: run against the same schedule and it's also allow them to run over the meeting a little bit

[0:17:43] Voice 6: rather than three o'clock they have to end the meeting so that we can start the next meeting

[0:17:48] Voice 6: so as a group they are going to change the schedule to be thursday morning uh first thursday

[0:17:58] Voice 6: every month at 10 o'clock and

[0:18:00] Voice 8: in terms of us learning from them what they're working on

[0:18:04] Voice 8: because i'm under the impression there's a little bit of overlap between our two groups because

[0:18:09] Voice 8: we're essentially both dealing with salt spring island housing this is my understanding and we're

[0:18:14] Voice 8: dealing with the densification of ganges or greater ganges and they're dealing with the

[0:18:20] Voice 8: concept of housing island wide which also may lead to some densification and so then if we're

[0:18:27] Voice 8: interested to be connected because we can't necessarily be disconnected then we want to see

[0:18:33] Voice 8: what they're talking about uh would we get the link in a timely manner like not just okay i want

[0:18:40] Voice 8: the link now so i i get the link from last month or two months ago but can i get the link right

[0:18:44] Voice 8: away that kind of thing or how is that going to work those are just things i'm putting out there

[0:18:49] Voice 8: and if i'd known that they're also meeting at the same time i might have voted differently than for

[0:18:54] Voice 8: thursdays because i think we should try to have a connection with them but i understand maybe

[0:19:00] Voice 8: maybe you're having a hard time with all the variables that working around

[0:19:03] Voice 8: everybody's wishes. So I'm not just saying that,

[0:19:07] Voice 8: but it means we're cut out from that meeting that we are specifically cut out

[0:19:11] Voice 8: from the first Thursday of the month meeting from watching the other task

[0:19:14] Voice 8: force and going to the basement of the church and watching them.

[0:19:17] Voice 8: That's all. I'm just bringing that up.

[0:19:19] Voice 10: That's a really good point, Jenny.

[0:19:20] Voice 10: And I guess I wonder if we can just proceed with this,

[0:19:25] Voice 10: this meeting. And then if we decide to have our next month's meeting on a Wednesday or on a

[0:19:33] Voice 10: Tuesday or something, we can find, is that, would that work Rob to find another meeting space if we

[0:19:42] Voice 10: need to change it to overlap with the housing group in some way?

[0:19:46] Voice 2: I can do whatever you direct

[0:19:48] Voice 2: me to do. That's my job and no defense at all. Just facts are being provided. We haven't heard

[0:19:55] Voice 2: exactly what housing would like to do because we meet with them this afternoon, but we are moving

[0:20:00] Voice 2: towards, based on their survey results, two meetings a month. I think that it's fair to say

[0:20:06] Voice 2: that they would be curious what you're doing as well and that some crossover at some point would

[0:20:11] Voice 2: be possible. If you as commissioners would like to meet on the first Wednesday of the month,

[0:20:18] Voice 2: I'd be happy to look for that. I just need clear direction as to what you want and I will provide

[0:20:23] Voice 2: it for you because that's what i do sounds

[0:20:26] Voice 10: great rob well let's uh it seems like we're all on

[0:20:29] Voice 10: board for the first thursday of september and from there we can make changes if needed um

[0:20:39] Voice 10: so uh does that sound uh any other comments on meeting schedule etc or can we move on to the

[0:20:46] Voice 10: to the good stuff um

[0:20:48] Voice 8: let's let's not lose track of this because it is important to me

[0:20:53] Voice 8: because I in generally I like to attend meetings on Salt Spring and so I don't like to have things

[0:21:01] Voice 8: that are on at the same time so because currently it appears that we're agreeing for the first

[0:21:08] Voice 8: Thursday of September then I will roll with that but where will it be stated that we'll have time

[0:21:13] Voice 8: to talk about how to amend this for October because I don't want to just let this go into

[0:21:18] Voice 8: to the fall where we're always having our meeting at the same time as the other task force because

[0:21:23] Voice 8: it it's really hard to keep track and i think that like everything that we do is connected to

[0:21:30] Voice 8: everything else that goes on on salt spring so the more that we're able to have the flexibility

[0:21:35] Voice 8: to find out what else goes on on salt spring the better so can we have that put in that we'll

[0:21:41] Voice 8: discuss this in our next meeting to change to a wednesday perhaps thanks yeah

[0:21:46] Voice 10: let's add our

[0:21:47] Voice 10: our meeting schedules and and uh locations to next month's agenda because we'll probably want

[0:21:53] Voice 10: to discuss you know if we're having an additional site visit at the same time or what have you and

[0:21:57] Voice 10: we'll see what they decide this afternoon for their meeting time and date as well since it

[0:22:02] Voice 10: doesn't sound like they've locked it into stone yet okay um oh and that reminds me we did talk

[0:22:10] Voice 10: about having another site visit possibly on the second of September over email I

[0:22:22] Voice 10: think John said that that date would work better for him is that something

[0:22:27] Voice 10: that we also want to schedule or on the day beforehand or instead of anybody

[0:22:34] Voice 10: have thoughts on that I think walking around together was really successful

[0:22:40] Voice 10: and getting on the same page and stuff did you have your hand david um

[0:22:45] Voice 13: yeah well

[0:22:48] Voice 13: why don't we schedule the meeting meet and then maybe we do a walk around rather than

[0:22:55] Voice 13: sit there or we

[0:22:56] Voice 13: do a walk around for an hour and get back together or something like that

[0:23:00] Voice 13: yeah otherwise we're we're already into layers of complexity here that we're going to get slowed

[0:23:08] Voice 13: down i think

[0:23:09] Voice 13: we can we can all get in the room and say okay let's go for a walk sounds

[0:23:14] Voice 10: great okay and

[0:23:15] Voice 13: with respect to jenny's concern do you want to have a a motion that says you know we've we've

[0:23:21] Voice 13: agreed to have this meeting and we will revisit um because that might be the simplest thing just

[0:23:26] Voice 13: document it like that

[0:23:28] Voice 10: louisa i

[0:23:30] Voice 6: i was just going to suggest that i was taking notes so i didn't

[0:23:34] Voice 6: get a chance to I mentioned that if you would like to make a motion so that there's a resolution

[0:23:40] Voice 6: passed to include to bring it back to you at the next meeting yeah

[0:23:45] Voice 10: sounds like David you have a

[0:23:48] Voice 10: motion yeah

[0:23:50] Voice 13: I I move that uh uh we schedule the uh a second meeting uh for the first Thursday of

[0:23:58] Voice 13: of each month and that a first order business

[0:24:03] Voice 13: is to review how that aligns with the housing group

[0:24:07] Voice 13: as well as whether we want to take that opportunity

[0:24:11] Voice 13: for a walk around.

[0:24:13] Voice 10: I'll second that.

[0:24:16] Voice 10: All in favor?

[0:24:20] Voice 10: All right, all opposed?

[0:24:21] Voice 10: All right, that resolution passed.

[0:24:24] Voice 10: Thank you, David

[0:24:25] Voice 10: and Jenny.

[0:24:27] Voice 10: All right, moving on to number three.

[0:24:30] Voice 10: I wouldn't call it so much unfinished, but just plain old business. Here we go. So we have first

[0:24:39] Voice 10: a discussion of the study area boundary. I think that this last meeting, we all kind of saw this

[0:24:48] Voice 10: and were curious about where the different colors and lines came from and why. And

[0:24:56] Voice 10: there is some concern that it was being shared as something the task force had approved already,

[0:25:02] Voice 10: but it's a draft. It says draft on it. And so I guess the task is to propose modifications to this

[0:25:12] Voice 10: and sort of finalize our study area boundary. Is this a good time to show your video, David?

[0:25:20] Voice 10: maybe we can look at yeah

[0:25:23] Voice 13: that that that would be my proposal so uh and speaking to john

[0:25:28] Voice 13: specifically but everybody um so after our last walk around and the uh the stack of maps that i

[0:25:36] Voice 13: emailed everybody earlier in the week uh did some more research read some books read some more books

[0:25:46] Voice 13: consulted the archives, and still all in the spirit of really just struggling with this map.

[0:25:58] Voice 13: And so I put a little video together, it was three minutes, it's now four minutes,

[0:26:04] Voice 13: but it looks at the history of how Ganges developed.

[0:26:08] Voice 13: And I showed Robin and Mike and suggested that, you know,

[0:26:14] Voice 13: Now, this is a good way to hopefully try and get us all from a common place where we can then have a fulsome discussion so that the spirit of it was to take this little slot here.

[0:26:29] Voice 13: And I don't want to talk further because I don't want to waste more time.

[0:26:32] Voice 13: So I'm trying to keep it as tight as possible.

[0:26:34] Voice 13: So knowing that John had raised a concern earlier, I just want to make sure that we're all reasonably happy with moving forward with this before I share my screen.

[0:26:46] Voice 13: Any strong objections?

[0:26:52] Voice 4: I'd like to see the video.

[0:26:58] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:26:59] Voice 13: I need my glasses because I can't even see my screen here.

[0:31:34] Voice 13: Okay, so I just sent everyone a PDF of that.

[0:31:38] Voice 13: Thank

[0:31:40] Voice 10: you so much, David.

[0:31:42] Voice 10: That was wonderful.

[0:31:43] Voice 10: Yeah, thank you.

[0:31:45] Voice 10: Wonderful historical perspective.

[0:31:47] Voice 10: I loved seeing the way things popped up over time.

[0:31:51] Voice 10: Just really, really invaluable.

[0:31:53] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:31:56] Voice 10: Luisa?

[0:31:57] Voice 6: Just some procedural thing.

[0:32:00] Voice 6: And actually, thank you, David, for sending the PDF.

[0:32:03] Voice 6: That was my question.

[0:32:04] Voice 6: if you can send us a PowerPoint for our record.

[0:32:08] Voice 6: What we would do for the next meeting is,

[0:32:10] Voice 6: because we received some PDFs from David as well,

[0:32:14] Voice 6: and also some comments from John and for public access,

[0:32:18] Voice 6: we are going to send all these attachment as a summary.

[0:32:22] Voice 6: So you see that at the next meeting on your agenda packet.

[0:32:26] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:32:27] Voice 10: Thanks.

[0:32:29] Voice 10: And just for the record, this time on my Zoom,

[0:32:32] Voice 10: I can see the little hands.

[0:32:33] Voice 10: if you do want to use the raise hand thing, or just raise your hand. So, I guess what was

[0:32:43] Voice 10: interesting at the end there, John, is that, I mean, David, that you had the five-minute to

[0:32:49] Voice 10: two-kilometer circles expanding. Is the second

[0:32:51] Voice 10: circle that you showed, the green one, is that

[0:32:53] Voice 10: like a one-kilometer circle?

[0:32:57] Voice 13: Well, I put the two-kilometer, this is one of the last edits I

[0:33:00] Voice 13: made so i put the two kilometer thing on there because uh the more i looked at it understanding

[0:33:06] Voice 13: so the distance of that portage the first nations portage is really only two kilometers which

[0:33:14] Voice 13: doesn't seem very far so just for scale i want to understand that because there's there's a number

[0:33:19] Voice 13: of elements in here i think we're going to come back to over time having looked at that now that

[0:33:25] Voice 13: but that's also the area of significant Japanese settlement.

[0:33:30] Voice 13: There's a lot, you know, we kind of look to Atkins

[0:33:34] Voice 13: and then maybe Sharp as sort of our westernmost boundary,

[0:33:38] Voice 13: but I think for any boundary, we've got to look further.

[0:33:42] Voice 13: So that just gives you a reference for it's two kilometers

[0:33:46] Voice 13: from the harbor to Booth.

[0:33:51] Voice 10: Yeah, that's a neat perspective that the portage

[0:33:55] Voice 10: is really the historic defining factor of the settlements that occurred here but also the

[0:34:02] Voice 10: protected harbor that was something that we wanted to uh on the site visit walk around was

[0:34:09] Voice 10: um really making sure that the harbor itself was included in this uh the the more core boundaries

[0:34:19] Voice 10: boundaries um so how should we move forward on on yeah

[0:34:26] Voice 13: so now we have the tough thing which is

[0:34:29] Voice 13: the elements right so looking at the agenda um well

[0:34:32] Voice 10: i think we have to agree on this study area

[0:34:34] Voice 10: map before we move on uh because i mean people are going to ask like what area are you guys

[0:34:43] Voice 10: focused on and we need to know where we're focused too for different discussions um okay

[0:34:49] Voice 13: so so i

[0:34:50] Voice 13: I have a suggestion that I could turn into a motion, but it may be contentious, so I'll start with a suggestion.

[0:34:55] Voice 13: And that would be to replace the current version, this, with fuzzy circles as provided in the PowerPoint presentation.

[0:35:10] Voice 13: And then the next logical task is we go back and we start to look at, if you will, the four corners or five corners or six corners, however it ends up looking.

[0:35:20] Voice 13: But I would, I feel strongly at this point, we need to move away from this and towards something a bit more fuzzy so we can then go back and do the hard diligence of why is this, you know, where should this boundary be?

[0:35:36] Voice 13: Should it be Atkins?

[0:35:37] Voice 13: Should it be Rainbow?

[0:35:39] Voice 13: Should it be Bettis?

[0:35:40] Voice 13: Should it be Bullock Lake, et cetera?

[0:35:45] Voice 13: That would be my suggestion for discussion.

[0:35:49] Voice 13: Discussion, happy to put into a motion if discussion so yields.

[0:35:54] Voice 8: Yes, I agree with that idea because I think that while we're working, we're learning about, like we have to really think about Ganges in terms of what makes it a unified whole and how does it actually function and what is making it somewhat disconnected

[0:36:18] Voice 8: So we don't want to bring together all these disconnected parts without getting a vision, like when David was showing what the central point is that generally a village is built around.

[0:36:33] Voice 8: I think we could think about that and how things relate to that, because we're trying to relate a cohesive framework like where things actually make sense. And just going back in the past is really interesting because you're showing these uses that were like does, what do they say does form follow function.

[0:36:58] Voice 8: so you have these functions and then they develop form around that and the things that you brought

[0:37:06] Voice 8: up are really interesting like and then there's a lot to Ganges and I like the idea that we can

[0:37:11] Voice 8: still keep it open by having these fuzzy circles I definitely agree with that.

[0:37:17] Voice 10: Would you mind

[0:37:18] Voice 10: showing your fuzzy circles again on the screen please?

[0:37:22] Voice 12: Just a second just for a point of

[0:37:25] Voice 12: clarification is this a motion that we're discussing or is it just a free-for-all

[0:37:29] Voice 12: conversation i

[0:37:30] Voice 10: think we're in the free-for-all zone here yes

[0:37:36] Voice 4: you have a comment too uh yeah i

[0:37:39] Voice 12: guess if it's a motion and i have to make a decision i'm just curious of what why are blurry

[0:37:45] Voice 12: circles better than a draft map and so i'm happy for either in order to move it forward but it's

[0:37:51] Voice 12: It's just I don't get really totally yet what the difference is necessarily.

[0:38:00] Voice 13: So I'll offer an observation.

[0:38:03] Voice 13: The more I look at the defined roads, angles, and things, the more questions I have.

[0:38:10] Voice 13: Like the central red part of the original map doesn't include MB Bakery, which is where the creamery was.

[0:38:18] Voice 13: So I struggle with why did we go on that side of the road as opposed to this side of the road?

[0:38:23] Voice 13: Why did we cut it off here?

[0:38:24] Voice 13: Why is upper Ganges not included in the core when it was part of the 2007 OCP?

[0:38:29] Voice 13: Just too many very fundamental questions like that, that I was really struggling.

[0:38:34] Voice 13: I couldn't go further.

[0:38:35] Voice 13: I don't know how to have a conversation about it because of where these things are.

[0:38:39] Voice 13: And it becomes a negative.

[0:38:41] Voice 13: Why isn't that here?

[0:38:44] Voice 13: So I just thought we weren't mature enough in this discussion.

[0:38:47] Voice 13: We got to get to that level of detail and then come back and have something cohesive.

[0:38:52] Voice 13: Lisa, that's, I'm speaking very personally now,

[0:38:55] Voice 13: but I think we all share the concern

[0:38:59] Voice 13: of the fact that we've had a number of meetings

[0:39:03] Voice 13: and we can't get past this map.

[0:39:05] Voice 13: And we need to get on the same page on this map.

[0:39:09] Voice 13: Great.

[0:39:10] Voice 13: Maybe go backwards so we can go forwards.

[0:39:13] Voice 9: It's like Mike.

[0:39:16] Voice 4: Yeah, I'd like to comment on that as well.

[0:39:18] Voice 4: I appreciate all of your work, David.

[0:39:20] Voice 4: I think it's been fantastic.

[0:39:21] Voice 4: And I agree with it.

[0:39:23] Voice 4: I think that the lines that have been drawn on these past maps are basically very contentious

[0:39:33] Voice 4: over overall. I think that we all have to step back and learn more about the town, do our site

[0:39:43] Voice 4: visits, and gain a better understanding of where things are serviced as one aspect. For example,

[0:39:54] Voice 4: the Ganges sewer comes up the Ganges Hill there are parts the Ganges Hill

[0:39:59] Voice 4: that aren't included etc etc so all of this needs to be reviewed and I would

[0:40:06] Voice 4: like to support a motion that suggests we turn to this as you call them fuzzy

[0:40:12] Voice 4: circles and and start with that and keep that as our map going forward until time

[0:40:22] Voice 4: Dave Kuntz, time that we feel we can come back and conclude with more definition, a better map yeah.

[0:40:32] Voice 10: Karen Hollweg, that's great any other comments or discussion so just a question quick question David that the core that you have there it's kind of hard to see through it, but it basically covers the core that was on this other map, but also a little bit further up into the harbor.

[0:40:53] Voice 10: um it looks like up kind of around the corner almost including including the mobis uh wharf

[0:41:02] Voice 10: there

[0:41:03] Voice 13: um yeah right up to mobis but again it was being fuzzy yeah where you where do you cut it off

[0:41:12] Voice 13: and the more i was looking and i'm sure there's a lot of folks on the committee that have a better

[0:41:19] Voice 13: view of history you know i'm struggling to catch up but uh you know there was a hudson's bay trading

[0:41:23] Voice 13: post apparently on the hastings house property so that would be below or above the red circle

[0:41:29] Voice 13: right now anyhow but it's a it's a dotted line circle that's

[0:41:33] Voice 10: great john thank you

[0:41:36] Voice 11: yeah i'm a little concerned that um you know the process is is going to move ahead and there has

[0:41:42] Voice 11: to be some sort of a map that people can discuss and review and talk about and and i don't think

[0:41:47] Voice 11: the fuzzy line actually works for for me personally and i don't know that it's going to

[0:41:52] Voice 11: to help with the with the process um you know i think it's this is a challenge for us to

[0:42:02] you know in

[0:42:04] Voice 11: these meetings to really get out and then be able to come back and and make some

[0:42:07] Voice 11: suggestions i think the trust committee and staff are looking for some feedback on a map and the

[0:42:12] Voice 11: community is going to try and give the same feedback on a map so i think it's a challenge

[0:42:16] Voice 11: for us i think we i'm prepared to make a recommendation and put it on the floor and

[0:42:20] Voice 11: and see if we can come to a consensus

[0:42:25] Voice 11: or a map just to move forward in the process,

[0:42:28] Voice 11: recognizing this is an iterative process.

[0:42:31] Voice 11: There's going to be a map go forward

[0:42:32] Voice 11: with some boundary proposed on it.

[0:42:34] Voice 11: It's going to be discussed

[0:42:35] Voice 11: and people are going to change the boundary

[0:42:37] Voice 11: and based on public input, staff input, our input.

[0:42:41] Voice 11: So I hope I'm not offending anybody,

[0:42:48] Voice 11: but I'd like to, I have the floor,

[0:42:49] Voice 11: or I'd like to make a recommendation

[0:42:51] Voice 11: that the Ganges Village Task Force recommend

[0:42:53] Voice 11: the following amendments

[0:42:54] Voice 11: to the proposed village containment boundary.

[0:42:58] Voice 11: And I'm gonna, I'll list these,

[0:43:00] Voice 11: and then I'm used to have friendly amendments to them.

[0:43:08] Voice 11: I think that's what we want to achieve.

[0:43:10] Voice 11: So the first one is, so this is the green line.

[0:43:14] Voice 11: I'm gonna recommend that it be extended to the Southeast

[0:43:18] Voice 11: east to align with the study area boundary so that would include the the lands on both sides

[0:43:25] Voice 11: of Fulford Ganges Rose going up the hill until we hit the blue line that's number one number 10

[0:43:34] Voice 11: number two sorry extend the boundary out into the harbour to include all the marinas so that would

[0:43:40] Voice 11: be basically taking the green line out to the blue line in the harbour and it would include all the

[0:43:44] Voice 11: marinas and then when it hits um leslie drive we just follow the shoreline over to include

[0:43:51] Voice 11: ganges marina three extend it to the north uh to the northeast to include mobis and harbor house

[0:44:00] Voice 11: lands for the north to include uh the multi-unit housing and seniors housing lands and five extend

[0:44:12] Voice 11: it to the west to include the lands east of the southern extension of atkins road so that

[0:44:21] Voice 11: and you know i could give a brief account of why i suppose those are suggested extensions but

[0:44:30] Voice 11: anyways i'd like to make that motion and see if we can discuss it and come to a consensus around

[0:44:37] Voice 11: those suggested amendments can

[0:44:41] Voice 8: i um have a chance to say something here i'm

[0:44:44] Voice 11: looking for a seconder

[0:44:44] Voice 11: i think um

[0:44:46] Voice 8: no because we're can i speak or can

[0:44:49] Voice 10: you even hear me just second i just want to i

[0:44:51] Voice 10: I, I need to just, yeah, we can hear you, Jenny, in your, your next step. I guess John has put out a recommendation that we, that we, and, and what's, is that a motion or what is that? A recommendation that we consider what he just made.

[0:45:09] Voice 11: made yeah under a secondary it's

[0:45:12] Voice 8: emotional but okay listen we've received two different ideas

[0:45:16] Voice 8: and then we first are looking at the idea of the circles and there's been support for that and then

[0:45:23] Voice 8: for some reason without even considering that as part of a motion where we decide to agree or

[0:45:29] Voice 8: disagree we have a second idea which is in a very linear way extending the map which i already

[0:45:35] Voice 8: disagree with because you're saying the southern part of Atkins Road so already now we're in a

[0:45:40] Voice 8: fight just like as before because I think that's too small because we're looking at this whole

[0:45:44] Voice 8: portage route and things going out to Booth Canal and so then we end up with all these details but

[0:45:50] Voice 8: if we're working on a broader vision then we can come in a way that's with not having disagreements

[0:45:56] Voice 8: but coming in a mutual education process to understand how the town can work with a larger

[0:46:04] Voice 8: larger town, which is what we're going to need, but we're not defined by these lines. And I just

[0:46:10] Voice 8: think those are two separate things. I can't just suddenly jump on deciding to vote for what John

[0:46:13] Voice 8: is saying when I'm just in favor of something else, because it's first comes first. We already

[0:46:19] Voice 8: heard from David. Let's deal with that first. All

[0:46:22] Voice 10: right. So as I hear you, Jenny, that there

[0:46:26] Voice 10: are two different proposed ways of approaching this map and one of the ways was um what what

[0:46:34] Voice 10: john just proposed which is what we're asked to make comments on the draft map that was provided

[0:46:40] Voice 10: by islands trust staff and so he was bringing forward his com his suggestions to be discussed

[0:46:48] Voice 10: or to be approved i guess is what you've requested john um with with possible modifications and then

[0:46:56] Voice 10: David did an excellent video and looking at historic and trying to bring this back to a place where we can all agree because there's such

[0:47:04] Voice 10: sort of some some kind of resentment towards what Islands Trust staff create and so it's some kind of a need to have a

[0:47:17] Voice 5: well okay

[0:47:19] Voice 10: or some kind of a fuzzy fuzzy boundary that we can all work together kind of coming in

[0:47:24] Voice 10: from as we learn more which also makes a lot of sense and so um john if you would like to ask for

[0:47:30] Voice 10: a seconder i guess that's the process um is anybody wanting to second that right now so i

[0:47:40] Voice 10: think without a seconder we open it back up to the discussion that we're going through

[0:47:44] Voice 10: And really, David's map doesn't preclude us arriving at John's proposal or at this staff map. So it looked like it was Jenny and then David and then John or maybe something like that. Jenny, did you have another?

[0:48:04] Voice 8: um yeah i'm just um not really going to have that much more to say but um definitely

[0:48:13] Voice 8: when we're coming to understand um like sometimes when you see something that doesn't work if you

[0:48:20] Voice 8: can even go back in history to understand a time when it actually did work you can kind of we have

[0:48:26] Voice 8: to have a vision of it working because most of the things people talk about with ganges is that

[0:48:31] Voice 8: it doesn't really work and i liked the idea of kind of removing from our minds some of the stuff

[0:48:37] Voice 8: that's already been laid down and also coming to understand like for example central was considered

[0:48:45] Voice 8: at one point to be the center of salt spring and at another time walker's hook was going to be the

[0:48:51] Voice 8: ganges core and then there's different reasons like to do with the moats building that building

[0:48:57] Voice 8: or i guess it was built from before the moats by the um purposes or whatever but there's reasons

[0:49:02] Voice 8: why ganges then became the place where like a ferry which i believe at one point was the lady

[0:49:07] Voice 8: rose would come in to ganges harbor and how it developed and then there was sort of no particular

[0:49:15] Voice 8: reason to have uptown because that was just cleared as far as i remember by that valcourt

[0:49:20] Voice 8: then it became another center but um i just think that there's too many variables and i just really

[0:49:25] Voice 8: really like the idea with these open-ended ways that we don't have to be fighting over these lines

[0:49:30] Voice 8: but just that we have this kind of open vision as we gather information and then the lines could

[0:49:37] Voice 8: follow later but i i just that's all i would say so yeah that

[0:49:41] Voice 10: makes a lot of sense david and then

[0:49:43] Voice 10: like

[0:49:43] Voice 13: yeah i i so uh i actually like what john laid out i see that as the next step let's let's at

[0:49:53] Voice 13: at least anchor the corners.

[0:49:55] Voice 13: And in many ways, that's what John was doing.

[0:49:58] Voice 13: So I have some arguments or counter proposals

[0:50:03] Voice 13: to what John presented, but I see that as the next step.

[0:50:08] Voice 13: So I was writing them down.

[0:50:10] Voice 13: I don't want to lose those definitions.

[0:50:16] Voice 13: Anyhow, that was my two cents worth.

[0:50:18] Voice 4: Can I make a quick comment?

[0:50:20] Voice 4: Can we ask for a motion so that we continue on?

[0:50:25] Voice 4: And if, David, you want to adjust it from two fuzzy circles to keeping something fuzzy but anchor the four points or however you want to do that, the four corners, as you called it, I would like to ask you to make a motion because I think we've had enough discussion on it.

[0:50:42] Voice 4: I do want to add that I somewhat disagree with John because I don't think we really need to have exact lines.

[0:50:55] Voice 4: I don't think we're ready for that yet.

[0:50:57] Voice 4: I think we still have a lot of discussion, particularly when we take our site visits, to determine where things have been set up and to study the infrastructure, because I think that has a lot to do with what we're going to end up choosing as our Ganges core and how we map it.

[0:51:16] Voice 4: So anyway, I defer back to you, David.

[0:51:19] Voice 4: Okay,

[0:51:22] Voice 13: so I'd like to make a motion to at least initially replace the draft Ganges Village Area Plan study area boundaries as defined by and presented by staff to reflect circles of interest, circles of areas of interest.

[0:51:51] Voice 13: as proposed in our point.

[0:52:00] Voice 10: I'll second that motion.

[0:52:02] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:52:05] Voice 10: All those in favor?

[0:52:09] Voice 4: Aye.

[0:52:11] Voice 10: All those opposed?

[0:52:13] Voice 13: And then can I make a next motion?

[0:52:17] Voice 10: Sure.

[0:52:18] Voice 13: That I move that the task force

[0:52:21] Voice 13: now try and consider

[0:52:29] Voice 13: how we can anchor, if you will,

[0:52:33] Voice 13: the four corners of uh the containment area um for the ganges map do

[0:52:44] Voice 10: you do you think um

[0:52:46] Voice 10: that would make it

[0:52:47] Voice 10: would make the most sense for like our our next meeting and site visit so we can

[0:52:52] Voice 10: all look at your map a little

[0:52:54] Voice 10: more closely and stuff ahead of that i

[0:52:57] Voice 13: just want to have that as

[0:52:58] Voice 13: the logical action and or is it the elements right i mean the that i i one way another talking about

[0:53:04] Voice 13: but the elements is going to get us to the four corners.

[0:53:05] Voice 13: The four corners are going to get us to the elements.

[0:53:08] Voice 10: Makes sense.

[0:53:10] Voice 10: So did you need some sort of, did you just make a motion?

[0:53:15] Voice 13: Yeah, I'm offering a motion.

[0:53:16] Voice 13: How do we move?

[0:53:18] Voice 13: So with that done, okay, now we have a bunch of fuzzy circles.

[0:53:22] Voice 13: Now what do we do?

[0:53:25] Voice 4: Are

[0:53:26] Voice 5: you making a motion, David?

[0:53:28] Voice 4: Make a motion that at the next meeting,

[0:53:30] Voice 4: we're going to discuss creating the corners of the

[0:53:34] Voice 13: fuzzy circles?

[0:53:35] Voice 13: Looking at the agenda,

[0:53:36] Voice 13: we're now supposed to talk about the elements, right?

[0:53:38] Voice 13: So do we want to talk about elements or corners?

[0:53:42] Voice 10: I think we have to move on.

[0:53:43] Voice 10: Like, I think we should talk about the corners

[0:53:46] Voice 10: maybe at the next meeting or-

[0:53:50] Voice 13: Okay, I withdraw my motion.

[0:53:52] Voice 10: Does that make sense, everyone?

[0:53:56] Voice 4: So, yeah, it makes sense.

[0:53:58] Voice 10: I guess

[0:53:58] Voice 4: I want to quickly ask one question with that, Robin,

[0:54:01] Voice 4: is that then going to be sure that that makes it

[0:54:05] Voice 4: onto the agenda for the next meeting?

[0:54:07] Voice 10: Yeah, our September 2nd meeting. It's the best process for that to like to make a motion and say make a motion that this will be on the next agenda and we all approve that or do we just say it'll be on the next agenda and make sure it is?

[0:54:22] Voice 4: I think the latter. Am I wrong?

[0:54:26] Voice 10: The latter is that we can just say yes, it'll be on our next agenda.

[0:54:30] Voice 4: Yeah, just make sure it is.

[0:54:33] Voice 10: Yeah. Luisa, you had something?

[0:54:35] Voice 10: So

[0:54:35] Voice 6: Chair, anytime you want to, as a group, you want to take an action, a resolution would be a good idea.

[0:54:45] Voice 10: Okay. Well, I make a resolution that at our next meeting, which is actually just us on September 2nd, we look at anchoring our innermost fuzzy circle and some of the corners of the fuzzy circles, and that that will be on the agenda.

[0:55:04] Voice 10: I

[0:55:06] Voice 4: second it all

[0:55:07] Voice 10: right all those in favor all right that post okay so awesome well I feel like we

[0:55:15] Voice 10: we really achieved something our fuzzy circle thank you David all right um moving on to the

[0:55:25] Voice 10: uh proposed area plan element so if you recall in previous agendas there was this list and then

[0:55:32] Voice 10: And we had made some sort of, I felt more off-the-cuff additions that were listed afterwards in some red writing.

[0:55:41] Voice 10: And then there was some concern that not everything was included or where it came from.

[0:55:46] Voice 10: so it seemed that maybe the best thing for us to do is to agree as a group on sort of the

[0:55:53] Voice 10: chapter headings without the details following them of the things that we want to make sure

[0:55:58] Voice 10: that are addressed and included in this update of the Ganges OCP. So some of the things listed

[0:56:06] Voice 10: are land use, housing, mobility, environment, and mobility as I understand it is transportation

[0:56:13] Voice 10: transportation, basically, um, infrastructure servicing and first nations. And already some

[0:56:18] Voice 10: of the things that, um, have, that should be added, I think are our Harbor and then also

[0:56:26] Voice 10: climate change resiliency or something like that. Um, I, I wonder, does anybody else have,

[0:56:36] Voice 10: uh, it's, it is frustrating not to have like a big whiteboard in front of us to be able to just

[0:56:41] Voice 10: put these up on and i'll cross out and work on together so next next meeting will in person will

[0:56:48] Voice 10: be better but um david and bob or

[0:56:52] Voice 13: was bob i think bob had his hand up first

[0:56:54] Voice 10: okay bob okay fine i

[0:56:56] Voice 3: just would like to make mobility be transportation if we will i think that's uh or traffic

[0:57:04] Voice 10: transportation makes is a good general heading that people can that makes sense david uh what

[0:57:12] Voice 13: What about, does infrastructure servicing include fire, police, et cetera?

[0:57:17] Voice 13: Or are we looking at sewers and water, electrical?

[0:57:22] Voice 13: I don't know.

[0:57:23] Voice 9: When I hear infrastructure

[0:57:24] Voice 13: servicing, it's water.

[0:57:26] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:57:26] Voice 13: So health, safety,

[0:57:28] Voice 13: fire, community services.

[0:57:30] Voice 9: Health, safety, fire.

[0:57:34] Voice 4: Police.

[0:57:36] Voice 9: Community services.

[0:57:37] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:57:38] Voice 4: Or CMP.

[0:57:40] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:57:41] Voice 4: Yeah. Yeah. It's part of that. That would be safety probably.

[0:57:44] Voice 4: Okay. So.

[0:57:46] Voice 4: So that's a different heading then services.

[0:57:49] Voice 10: Yeah. I wonder, can it be called community services?

[0:57:52] Voice 10: And then we know that health safety fire.

[0:57:55] Voice 10: As

[0:57:55] Voice 13: long as it doesn't get confused with the community services where lady

[0:57:59] Voice 13: Minto was as you know, not the subset, but a superset.

[0:58:07] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:58:08] Voice 10: So then we would have everything that was in the agenda except mobility

[0:58:12] Voice 10: would be called transportation.

[0:58:14] Voice 10: We'd add harbor.

[0:58:15] Voice 10: I propose that we add climate change resiliency

[0:58:19] Voice 10: or something shorter and better.

[0:58:22] Voice 10: And then David proposed health, safety, fire,

[0:58:26] Voice 10: and community services.

[0:58:29] Voice 12: Mike.

[0:58:29] Voice 12: To add, I made this comment in my email

[0:58:35] Voice 12: during the last meeting.

[0:58:37] Voice 12: Under land use, I guess that would encompass

[0:58:40] Voice 12: compass um all the reasons why people come into ganges um you know almost people are either going

[0:58:47] Voice 12: shopping or going to get food or going to their job or going to school so um i just want to make

[0:58:53] Voice 12: sure that that isn't lost uh as well the reasons why people access ganges well

[0:59:00] Voice 10: how would you term

[0:59:00] Voice 10: that um

[0:59:03] Voice 12: i guess business on salt spring or business in ganges it's an element so business

[0:59:10] Voice 3: Yeah, are we getting more towards economics and business, that sort of thing, Jesse?

[0:59:16] Voice 10: Like economics could be a title and that could encompass business and things. Is that what

[0:59:24] Voice 10: you're proposing, Jesse?

[0:59:26] Voice 12: Yeah, if we're making a long kind of exhaustive category, we'll probably want to include business

[0:59:32] Voice 12: and other reasons why people ask us, Kenji's work.

[0:59:38] Voice 12: all

[0:59:38] Voice 10: right so if we if we just had a title called economics would that would that work and then we

[0:59:44] Voice 10: can make sure some of those are under that does that sound good mike

[0:59:49] Voice 3: says no well

[0:59:51] Voice 10: all right well

[0:59:52] Voice 10: we can call

[0:59:53] Voice 4: on when you when you get to me but yeah

[0:59:57] Voice 10: well we'll come around um

[1:00:00] Voice 10: All right. Thanks, Jesse. All right. Sounds like who is next, Mike or David?

[1:00:05] Voice 10: David, it looks like.

[1:00:06] Voice 13: Yeah, I am. But I'm going to be out of sequence in this conversation because Mike is going to come back to that.

[1:00:13] Voice 13: So I had I had three things to include. Well, two things to include and one clarification.

[1:00:20] Voice 13: So one would be heritage. Another one would be community, major community events like Fall Fair and Saturday Market.

[1:00:31] Voice 13: so major community activities events i land use i don't think that touches that and i think maybe

[1:00:37] Voice 13: this actually dovetails a bit with what jesse was saying and the clarification is when we say

[1:00:42] Voice 13: environment are we talking about the natural environment the built environment what do we

[1:00:48] Voice 13: mean by environment good

[1:00:51] Voice 10: point so either you leave it or you add something that's more like

[1:00:59] Voice 10: like ecosystem or something like that.

[1:01:05] Voice 10: I don't know.

[1:01:07] Voice 10: Mike?

[1:01:11] Voice 4: Well, I wanted to acknowledge along the lines of what I think Jesse is reaching for,

[1:01:19] Voice 4: at least I hope I'm right on this, and Jesse, correct me if I'm wrong.

[1:01:23] Voice 4: But I think we need to have a category of business development.

[1:01:28] Voice 4: And the reason I point to the word development is because I don't want to scare everyone off, Bob.

[1:01:37] Voice 4: But at the same time, what I'm trying to say is we have a plan for Ganges to densify.

[1:01:47] Voice 4: Doesn't explain if it's going to be just housing or if it's going to be business development as well.

[1:01:52] Voice 4: And development can be brought in so long as it's properly planned development.

[1:01:58] Voice 4: And that's part of what our task force is about. We're trying to figure out the correct plan for Ganges going forward. So I think plan development or business development is important. And under the term business, I'm talking about specifically how many companies or businesses can we sustain in Ganges at the current time and look at what can be sustained in the future.

[1:02:26] Voice 4: and depending on where we set our our boundaries we'll be able to answer that question more easily

[1:02:32] Voice 4: i think it's in the interest of the chamber and again i don't want to step on on jesse's

[1:02:37] Voice 4: comments uh the chamber and other uh the economic development commission for example

[1:02:43] Voice 4: to have business development in the core of ganges the other area that i would like to

[1:02:50] Voice 4: address when you mentioned the word economics. I think that economics is too vague. But I do think

[1:02:58] Voice 4: what we're maybe trying to achieve is economic sustainability, because we need to have

[1:03:05] Voice 4: a strong, vibrant community. And at present, there are a lot of closed stores because of COVID and

[1:03:15] Voice 4: things that may not ever reopen and we need to address that as part of our task force plan

[1:03:22] Voice 4: good

[1:03:24] Voice 9: points jenny yeah

[1:03:27] Voice 8: um i'm wondering um where watersheds working with the overall plan because

[1:03:35] Voice 8: what i think will happen over the next 50 years is that the most important defining aspect of

[1:03:43] Voice 8: Ganges and greater Ganges has to do with water and both because I know people don't necessarily

[1:03:50] Voice 8: agree with me but I believe that icebergs are melting and we are experiencing sea level rise

[1:03:55] Voice 8: and some level of climate change and so we're going to experience stuff that influences

[1:04:02] Voice 8: weather things like there's great rainfalls or there's drought and we've already seen that

[1:04:09] Voice 8: around Ganges like since I grew up in Ganges I know for example that a lot of wetlands were

[1:04:16] Voice 8: replaced like the soccer fields at the high school which are either always wet or always dry and so

[1:04:21] Voice 8: these are limiting factors to use so do we and also drinking water is limiting too so do we have

[1:04:28] Voice 8: any heading that would just deal with water that's one thing I wonder or where would that go

[1:04:33] Voice 8: mm

[1:04:34] Voice 5: -hmm water yeah is that

[1:04:37] Voice 13: a further amplification of environment right so is it built natural

[1:04:42] Voice 13: watershed i

[1:04:46] Voice 4: i think you're right i think it's part of environment and we should probably

[1:04:49] Voice 4: delineate it well

[1:04:51] Voice 10: and just like you mike with the you know you see the subtleties within economics

[1:04:55] Voice 10: i see the subtleties within environment as david pointed out that we should have a topic called

[1:05:00] Voice 10: ecosystems in addition so that we specifically are are addressing the plants animals and and

[1:05:09] Voice 10: types of habitats that are in Ganges so okay so we have a bigger list now and maybe it would make

[1:05:19] Voice 10: sense for one of us or or me or something to type type them out and then um is there a something on

[1:05:29] Voice 10: here where we can do a like a whiteboard or something i thought there was how do we do that

[1:05:39] Voice 13: there's chat i

[1:05:41] Voice 10: think i can do this

[1:05:43] Voice 13: open a google doc

[1:05:45] Voice 13: and do a screen

[1:05:45] Voice 3: share you

[1:05:47] Voice 10: you guys are seeing

[1:05:47] Voice 10: this right yep

[1:05:49] Voice 3: land

[1:05:50] Voice 10: use uh housing transportation transportation environment infrastructure

[1:06:04] Voice 10: servicing first nations and then we have uh suggestions of harbor

[1:06:15] Voice 10: Harbor, climate change, resiliency, health,

[1:06:24] Voice 7: safety,

[1:06:26] Voice 10: fire, community services, economics,

[1:06:36] Voice 10: sustainability, heritage, business, development, and community events and ecosystems.

[1:06:50] Voice 10: systems and maybe water maybe water or watersheds as its own thing but maybe not okay so we've got

[1:07:01] Voice 10: all of these and these would be as i understand it oops um kind of like the the topic areas we would

[1:07:12] Voice 10: um be digging into deeper in this ocp plan um bob yeah

[1:07:22] Voice 3: just thinking that you could put some

[1:07:23] Voice 3: Some of them as within environment, you could put ecosystems and water watersheds as a subset or items to be covered within environment.

[1:07:33] Voice 3: That's a good thing.

[1:07:34] Voice 10: You could, but I feel that usually, you know, all the other ones are human and usually ecosystems and all of that gets hidden within one that sort of happens at the end of the report.

[1:07:50] Voice 10: And so if there's an extra, I think defining what environment is, is what's kind of the question, because if it's a built environment, if it's a cultural environment, if it's, you know, what that means, maybe ecosystems just, you know, capture that better.

[1:08:12] Voice 3: Yeah, I'm good either way.

[1:08:14] Voice 10: Okay. Mike?

[1:08:15] Voice 10: Do

[1:08:17] Voice 4: we want to have another topic of possibly cultural or artistic or designs?

[1:08:27] Voice 4: Because one thing I'm thinking of is that when I compare our village to several others that we've talked about in the past, including Sydney by the Sea and Maple Bay and so forth, it doesn't really have a very cohesive design element in it.

[1:08:47] Voice 4: and it's kind of a hodgepodge of buildings and there's no greenery you know we have a few trees

[1:08:54] Voice 4: planted but no one's sort of focused on trying to improve the look of the town and that might

[1:09:02] Voice 4: include art and culture as well that

[1:09:06] Voice 10: makes a lot of sense so this is a long list it feels like

[1:09:16] Voice 10: 1, 2, 3, 4. It would be nice to get

[1:09:19] Voice 5: them

[1:09:20] Voice 10: down a little bit further.

[1:09:24] Voice 13: I don't know. That was an important thing that Mike just articulated that we did not cover.

[1:09:31] Voice 4: And there might be others that we will want to add. So let's not make this fixed, please.

[1:09:37] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:09:38] Voice 4: We should absorb this and think about it. And if anybody else comes up with something else that

[1:09:44] Voice 4: we've missed then bring it forward at the next meeting and we can always add it

[1:09:48] Voice 10: any any other

[1:09:52] Voice 10: comments or things that that are missing here for you in terms of a village uh plan i can't see

[1:10:02] Voice 10: everyone but yeah it is i guess as you say these health safety fire community services and as well

[1:10:22] Voice 10: well as the business i mean it's true that the the schools the hospital these these types of

[1:10:31] Voice 10: there

[1:10:32] Voice 13: are schools on here schools aren't on here no

[1:10:35] Voice 13: maybe education as well under health safety i

[1:10:40] Voice 13: don't know

[1:10:40] Voice 10: yeah or is that part of community services yeah

[1:10:45] Voice 13: maybe um

[1:10:49] Voice 8: you know it's kind of

[1:10:51] Voice 8: of interesting like in in the past with vancouver when they actually had laid the city out to be

[1:10:59] Voice 8: a really well functioning area they mandated that every new intense development had to provide

[1:11:08] Voice 8: some kind of recreational facility or daycare facility yeah or

[1:11:15] Voice 8: library etc and i know salt

[1:11:17] Voice 8: spring does kind of follow that in a way and it's limited in some ways but everybody who comes to

[1:11:24] Voice 8: live in a dense area needs to have some way to stretch their wings so they don't expect that

[1:11:32] Voice 8: because they're in that area that's so dense that they're going to be only just staying in one place

[1:11:38] Voice 8: so however people have like there's a park in Ganges I don't know if you really want to add

[1:11:44] Voice 8: that or not but that's important for people too because people like going to mow its park maybe

[1:11:49] Voice 8: people like going to centennial park so that's that's recreation is kind of something but you

[1:11:54] Voice 8: know oh you have it there okay i

[1:11:55] Voice 10: just added it because you were saying it

[1:11:57] Voice 8: that makes a lot of

[1:11:58] Voice 8: sense um

[1:11:59] Voice 10: john you're

[1:12:06] Voice 13: on mute john sorry

[1:12:12] Voice 11: sorry about that um yeah i mean i'm pretty happy with

[1:12:15] Voice 11: the list i like a lot of the suggestions i think the key ones that uh i see are under land use

[1:12:20] Voice 11: yeah we missed uh institutional and recreational and that i think then covers a lot of uh what

[1:12:26] Voice 11: we've been talking about and the other one i thought that i agree with uh that uh the

[1:12:31] Voice 11: mike's talking about i think is i think planners would call it urban design uh which uh i i agree

[1:12:38] Voice 11: it should be in there but um i think a lot of the others ones we've listed here are actually

[1:12:42] Voice 11: fit within a lot of these headings so i think we could keep it simple and just add three or four

[1:12:47] Voice 11: and um i think that would be good feedback yeah

[1:12:55] Voice 10: we'll probably just like the fuzzy circles get

[1:12:57] Voice 10: back to that eventually as we work through these um it makes it makes me wonder you know we talk

[1:13:07] Voice 10: about imagining we have heritage and we talk about imagining the future which i guess is inherent in

[1:13:12] Voice 10: all of these topics but it's almost like there could be a a topic that's at some you know future

[1:13:20] Voice 10: visions or something like that as its own heading. Perhaps that's just going to be discussed in each

[1:13:31] Voice 10: of these since this is a future visioning exercise. So I don't know. I'll just add it

[1:13:41] Voice 10: because we can add things right now. Futurism or I don't know what that would be. Don, do you still

[1:13:52] Voice 10: have your hand up oh

[1:13:59] Voice 5: no yes so

[1:14:02] Voice 13: i was going to uh make a suggestion that along well consistent with

[1:14:09] Voice 13: what you said and actually john said um this uh it seems to me one of these classic opportunities

[1:14:17] Voice 13: to use including but not limited to so elements including but not limited to at the top because

[1:14:27] Voice 13: we may we may contract we may add but it's starting to be a pretty good list so

[1:14:52] Voice 10: when we say

[1:14:53] Voice 10: heritage that that really means like set you know whatever word you feel comfortable with but

[1:14:58] Voice 10: like kind of settler heritage versus first

[1:15:02] Voice 10: nations heritage I

[1:15:04] Voice 8: think it it means both because

[1:15:06] Voice 8: I think that the color has kind of been washed out of town like when I I don't mean to refer

[1:15:14] Voice 8: necessarily people don't necessarily like it when people refer to even the recent past but let's say

[1:15:20] Voice 8: for example when I grew up the people who came to the Gulf Islands were very wild characters

[1:15:26] Voice 8: and they met with people who had been here as part of kind of like a farming background and

[1:15:32] Voice 8: there was an artistic revolution here on Salt Spring where people believed that this was going

[1:15:37] Voice 8: to be a self-sustaining community where rather than driving all the time to Walmart people were

[1:15:43] Voice 8: were going to make a point of making their own goods, growing their own food, raising their

[1:15:49] Voice 8: own animals and be connected to each other. And then there were also a lot more people from

[1:15:57] Voice 8: original families and they weren't just, I'm not saying they're white European families, like there

[1:16:01] Voice 8: was a lot more kind of, I mean, there's multiculturalism now on Salt Spring, but

[1:16:06] Voice 8: But there's there was also a connection very strongly to the histories of the multiculturalism, like in living people who were from that, from the Stark family, you know, from like I know the Amerikamis are still here, but that's really important, too.

[1:16:24] Voice 8: And I think when every person goes out, like we want to have process oriented town, like because I spent a lot of not product oriented, but process oriented.

[1:16:33] Voice 8: did and I think that works well with tourism because when I went out walking with my kids

[1:16:37] Voice 8: they could only walk so fast they walked very slowly so I had to wait for them a lot and I

[1:16:42] Voice 8: did that all around Ganges and so I liked it when there would be something really interesting like

[1:16:47] Voice 8: so if you have a bit of a historical thing that's for people to look at and they can contemplate

[1:16:52] Voice 8: what that area was used for before you have shade trees or you have original water features that

[1:16:59] Voice 8: aren't piped i mean i guess i'm off on a tangent but that's um what i mean by heritage that's what

[1:17:05] Voice 8: i think heritage is

[1:17:06] Voice 9: that

[1:17:07] Voice 8: makes sense

[1:17:09] Voice 10: history can

[1:17:13] Voice 4: i ask a quick question because i miss i may have

[1:17:16] Voice 4: missed something there but um did we excuse or discuss tourism as a part of the village core

[1:17:28] Voice 4: core discussion because, I mean, I know it can come under economics and sustainability or even

[1:17:37] Voice 4: business development to a degree. Maybe not community events because they're more for the

[1:17:43] Voice 4: community rather than for outsiders. But right now, I think our only core economics support

[1:17:51] Voice 4: in the community, or at least the main one, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, is tourism.

[1:17:57] Voice 4: do we need a category for tourism or is it sort of covered by all these others

[1:18:01] Voice 4: is it important to even consider as my question good

[1:18:12] Voice 5: question i

[1:18:15] Voice 10: i see it under economics and

[1:18:17] Voice 10: sustainability but um i

[1:18:20] Voice 4: mean jesse probably has a comment on it because he's with the chamber

[1:18:24] Voice 4: and the tourism board so who

[1:18:27] Voice 10: just had their hand i can't see um did somebody was somebody

[1:18:32] Voice 10: responding to that? John?

[1:18:38] Voice 11: Yeah I was just suggesting that under land use I mean that's

[1:18:42] Voice 11: the big category there and of course it's got you know commercial you know commercial lands

[1:18:49] Voice 11: industrial lands tourism arts and culture you know I from my understanding you know you have

[1:18:57] Voice 11: to have all the background information about those land uses before you can make decisions

[1:19:01] Voice 11: and recommendations about land use.

[1:19:03] Voice 11: So I personally, I think it's-

[1:19:08] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:19:11] Voice 13: I'll put my hand up.

[1:19:13] Voice 13: David.

[1:19:14] Voice 13: So I think part of it is captured as John just noted,

[1:19:20] Voice 13: but we haven't considered how we fit in the surrounding area

[1:19:27] Voice 13: which I think also overlaps with tourism.

[1:19:31] Voice 13: So if you go back to the thing I highlighted

[1:19:33] Voice 13: in the presentation um yeah where we you know ganji's wasn't just for salt spring and if you

[1:19:41] Voice 13: look at the fall fairs it lists all the islands that participated in the fall fair so we were

[1:19:46] Voice 13: ganji's was a capital of the southern gulf islands but maybe that even extends further

[1:19:51] Voice 13: to vancouver etc so that we are vancouver's playground you know we're one of vancouver's

[1:19:56] Voice 13: big playgrounds uh as an example so how how do we fit into the the geographic context i i think also

[1:20:05] Voice 13: is a vector with respect to tourism and i don't know if that uh uh subordinates tourism too much

[1:20:13] Voice 13: or if that incorporates it in in the right way but that's a thought well

[1:20:20] Voice 8: um tourism definitely

[1:20:23] Voice 8: Definitely actually connects to even not just economics, but it's also connected to arts and culture and it's connected to the food system.

[1:20:35] Voice 8: Like if you look at the amount of people who are coming over specifically for the Tuesday market.

[1:20:40] Voice 8: So that's another thing that's not there necessarily is, but I don't know how to incorporate it.

[1:20:46] Voice 8: It might be under economics, but the economics of people growing the food here.

[1:20:52] Voice 8: I mean Salt Spring was a lamb place too where people I mean it's still known like people always

[1:20:58] Voice 8: come in to say a store like Thrifty's and they say where you know where can I see the chickens

[1:21:04] Voice 8: where can I see the sheep and they want to know about the cheese farm and so they really decide

[1:21:11] Voice 8: to come based on well they want to make part of their trip to see these really things that are

[1:21:16] Voice 8: important to them and then I see a lot of people in Ganges just taking pictures of their kids

[1:21:21] Voice 8: right beside west of the moon with their faces in those things so they're in that little fairy

[1:21:26] Voice 8: garden area so there you have something really successful doesn't take up much room and like

[1:21:31] Voice 8: i did actually live in japan myself in one whole summer in the 80s i was on an exchange and they

[1:21:38] Voice 8: believed in having little bits of beauty so no matter how urban a setting they would have a

[1:21:44] Voice 8: beautiful flower arrangement or a beautiful little space so i think that's really important for

[1:21:50] Voice 8: densifying an area is to make sure we have these really cool little areas where people can

[1:21:56] Voice 8: kind of really absorb some of the salt spring culture and maybe we're working also to define

[1:22:02] Voice 8: what is salt spring culture it's just just the thought yeah it's

[1:22:09] Voice 10: really good did i did

[1:22:10] Voice 10: should i add anything or is that kind of captured we've got community events and we've got urban

[1:22:20] Voice 10: design art culture but maybe the culture is more um is is different than in that context

[1:22:35] Voice 10: i mean obviously if culture is one of the main headings of um island's dress work you guys have

[1:22:42] Voice 10: discussed it quite a lot but um it could be its own heading culture you've already mentioned

[1:22:50] Voice 13: culture twice but i was actually looking i thought in charles khan's book there was a

[1:22:56] Voice 13: actually a table that spoke to what jenny was saying about uh you know we had the draft dodgers

[1:23:01] Voice 13: we had uh you know the black uh homesteaders we had the japanese canadians i thought there

[1:23:09] Voice 13: was a nice table for that but anyhow our culture is uh multifaceted historically

[1:23:15] Voice 5: can

[1:23:21] Voice 4: i make a motion sure i don't want to beat a dead horse but i think i think we've

[1:23:29] Voice 4: We've kind of exhausted ourselves on this for the moment.

[1:23:33] Voice 4: But again, I like what's said at the top, because we're not going to limit ourselves.

[1:23:38] Voice 4: We're going to continue to add or contract the list, add to or contract the list.

[1:23:46] Voice 4: So I'd just like to make a motion that the task force has accepted this as a draft

[1:23:53] Voice 4: a draft list of elements to be considered in our planning of Ganges Village, and that at any time in the future, those that come up with more ideas or feel that we can contract it, that we can do so in the future.

[1:24:14] Voice 4: In other words, I just, I want it open-ended in the sense that we're not restricted to this, so that's the motion.

[1:24:21] Second.

[1:24:23] Voice 10: All those in favor?

[1:24:24] Voice 10: all those opposed all right looks like that's the plan may

[1:24:33] Voice 4: i add something to that now that

[1:24:35] Voice 4: the motion's passed and that is that for those of us that are still looking at this list and

[1:24:41] Voice 4: thinking deeply about it if we have specific ideas or subcategories that we want to talk about or add

[1:24:49] Voice 4: add. Can we not do that by sending emails to the others and just sort of ask questions? Is this a

[1:24:58] Voice 4: good idea? Should we add this and just put it out there so that we can be thinking about it for the

[1:25:03] Voice 4: next meeting?

[1:25:04] Voice 13: Can I ask if, so Louisa mentioned earlier that she was starting to post stuff for

[1:25:10] Voice 13: us. So if there's a way to post something like this, it's a living document, that would be a

[1:25:15] Voice 13: a really useful uh maybe

[1:25:17] Voice 3: maybe i can chime in here david i already posted up your spreadsheet

[1:25:21] Voice 3: as a document um which you can and i can do the same thing with this uh and then people can share

[1:25:28] Voice 3: it comment on it whatever if you want i

[1:25:32] Voice 10: just emailed it to you guys so that you got it is that

[1:25:35] Voice 13: does that work for staff because bob i want to make sure you're not outside whatever they're

[1:25:40] Voice 13: comfortable with i'm comfortable with it but

[1:25:45] Voice 3: i can just share it with the staff too

[1:25:47] Voice 3: So,

[1:25:51] Voice 6: Chair, and maybe something Rob can also jump in to help.

[1:25:56] Voice 6: My understanding is it's not supported by Island Trust because of tools like Google Doc.

[1:26:05] Voice 6: It's been suggested if someone can utilize that before, and because of security, we are not allowed to use that kind of tools.

[1:26:18] Voice 3: What security are we talking about here?

[1:26:21] Voice 6: IT, our technology.

[1:26:24] Voice 6: Somebody would steal our IT.

[1:26:27] Voice 3: Would actually hack it and be able to look at it.

[1:26:30] Voice 3: My God.

[1:26:31] Voice 3: Okay, whatever.

[1:26:33] Voice 10: Anyways, we all have that list and I emailed it out.

[1:26:37] Voice 10: So I guess it's going to be on our discussion

[1:26:41] Voice 10: for our upcoming meeting.

[1:26:47] Voice 10: Well, wow.

[1:26:48] Voice 10: Anything else that we should all talk about?

[1:26:51] Voice 10: we've got another half hour left um

[1:26:56] Voice 5: lunch exactly

[1:26:59] Voice 10: um

[1:27:00] Voice 5: i

[1:27:01] Voice 10: i understand mike you did you have some

[1:27:04] Voice 10: uh meetings did you want to share anything or um

[1:27:09] Voice 4: nothing at the time i'm still in the in the

[1:27:12] Voice 4: process of meeting with several different groups um particularly uh related to the harbors

[1:27:18] Voice 4: the the harbor uh marinas the harbor um manager he is not the harbor master i'm told

[1:27:25] Voice 4: um some of the directors of the harbor authority because up until now we had not included that

[1:27:35] Voice 4: and um it wasn't included in the original mapping either so i felt we needed to make sure we

[1:27:41] Voice 4: included all of that and i'm just getting information so once i have it gathered i'll

[1:27:46] Voice 4: share it. Is

[1:27:50] Voice 10: there an idea of what our next site visit could or should be to

[1:27:54] Voice 10: really start digging into some of these topic elements?

[1:28:00] Voice 4: Well one of the things I

[1:28:01] Voice 4: would like to offer and I might be able to arrange it in the next couple of days

[1:28:09] Voice 4: is is to um uh set up meetings with the three harbor people and and and and then that could be

[1:28:20] Voice 4: part of the site visit where we visit the marinas and the harbor master and

[1:28:24] Voice 4: and have discussions with them um but it doesn't have to be at the next meeting we can do something

[1:28:30] Voice 4: else in the interim um and make this a later site visit well

[1:28:36] Voice 13: so maybe it's consistent with that but

[1:28:38] Voice 13: But I was going to ask, can we try and work on a stakeholders list, starting with what staff had already provided us?

[1:28:47] Voice 13: And this seemed to be a natural segue.

[1:28:52] Voice 10: Yeah, I wonder if, I know, Louisa, you shared that stakeholders list with us or saw it somewhere in the original maybe meeting.

[1:29:04] Voice 10: Is that something that you could share back with us, please, and we could look at adding

[1:29:09] Voice 10: to it?

[1:29:10] Voice 10: Were we supposed to meet the public relations company today?

[1:29:15] Voice 6: Sorry, Chair, just a couple of things I was going to mention.

[1:29:20] Voice 6: One is I'm still kind of brainstorming with ideas how you guys can coordinate.

[1:29:26] Voice 6: So one thought is going back to your comment about spreadsheets and everybody go in there.

[1:29:32] Voice 6: so the other group what they have done is a point of volunteer so anyone have any comments can send

[1:29:38] Voice 6: it to this volunteer and the volunteer can put it on the sheets and then bring it to the meeting to

[1:29:44] Voice 6: share i wonder maybe something you want to consider um and as far as the stakeholders i can

[1:29:51] Voice 6: yeah i can certainly send it to you i have to say our office a very limited list so you might know

[1:29:57] Voice 6: no more groups than we even were aware of.

[1:30:00] Voice 6: we have a very standard stakeholder list that I'll be happy to share. The consultant is meeting

[1:30:06] Voice 6: with LTC at their upcoming meeting for an introduction, and also take direction from the

[1:30:12] Voice 6: LTC. And then follow that they will schedule a meeting for them to join with you guys at the

[1:30:19] Voice 6: next meeting, the introduction to the group. And then of course, they will take ideas and

[1:30:25] Voice 6: suggestions from the task force that'll

[1:30:28] Voice 10: be the meeting in in mid uh on the third thursday of

[1:30:33] Voice 10: september i imagine yeah yeah

[1:30:38] Voice 6: i'm sorry i'm just thinking with all the changes where we are at

[1:30:42] Voice 6: the

[1:30:43] Voice 10: meeting after next okay sounds good okay uh welcome sebastian good to see you we actually

[1:30:50] Voice 10: we have a map and some uh draft plan elements fantastic

[1:30:58] Voice 7: sorry i've missed all that

[1:30:59] Voice 10: well we'll

[1:31:00] Voice 10: be able to share bob has had his his icon up for a while thanks

[1:31:05] Voice 3: i just in in terms of future uh

[1:31:08] Voice 3: things to look at and be concerned about um one of my things is the transportation

[1:31:13] Voice 3: in ganges and the traffic flow having a bypass all of that kind of thing

[1:31:18] Voice 3: and um i think at some point i think louisa you might have mentioned that there was a a group that

[1:31:25] Voice 3: knew that whether we we have somebody from ministry of transportation or someone that can

[1:31:30] Voice 3: can give information on on what would be involved in in traffic uh and transportation uh particularly

[1:31:38] Voice 3: through the village so just i don't know if the staff needs to contact somebody within the ministry

[1:31:43] Voice 3: of transportation or what needs to be done there but something i'm interested in so i just wanted

[1:31:48] Voice 3: to have it noted thanks yeah

[1:31:50] Voice 10: the the transportation commission offered to give us a walking tour um

[1:31:55] Voice 10: representatives from that just to understand the issues they've been discussing for years and years

[1:32:00] Voice 10: and years and what's happening and um so forth so that would be nice to take them up on and they've

[1:32:06] Voice 10: also uh evidently have an opening would love somebody to uh be on the transportation commission

[1:32:14] Voice 10: mission to be a good liaison if anybody's so moved it's a great group um so there's that

[1:32:22] Voice 10: opportunity so i guess just

[1:32:25] Voice 3: one thing in particular i know because i'm working with

[1:32:28] Voice 3: these um sailor sea trail group for the cycling uh through salt spring and that and with uh gary

[1:32:37] Voice 3: holman with respect to the ganges hill uh and i know that they're designing that right now and

[1:32:43] Voice 3: If there were to be a bypass that went down Ganges Hill and around by the bakery and such,

[1:32:51] Voice 3: there's a corner there that's a really sharp corner.

[1:32:54] Voice 3: So I know that's right in front of us right now.

[1:32:57] Voice 3: We're talking about long-term planning and all that sort of thing, but that's part of

[1:33:01] Voice 3: the stuff that if Ganges Hill gets put in and that corner stays as sharp as it is, it

[1:33:07] Voice 3: would be a huge impediment to actually having go down Ganges Hill and around the main thoroughfare

[1:33:17] Voice 3: through Ganges. So does

[1:33:21] Voice 10: it seem that yeah that that is immediate does it seem that in our

[1:33:25] Voice 10: September 2nd meeting that we should schedule some sort of somebody to learn from and walk

[1:33:31] Voice 10: around with?

[1:33:33] Voice 8: I think we should just start being more we I think we should work within the group

[1:33:37] Voice 8: and not actually and just get to know each other better because as you see that this meeting that

[1:33:43] Voice 8: we had today seemed like we got about 10 meetings worth of stuff done but maybe that's just my

[1:33:49] Voice 8: perception but i think a lot of it had to do with the way that we got to know each other better

[1:33:53] Voice 8: when we did that site visit that was really positive and i think that we should save those

[1:33:59] Voice 8: site visits for now to get to know each other a bit better because uh that way we we really feel

[1:34:07] Voice 8: like a lot of the stuff that we would otherwise be bringing up in these meetings we're able to

[1:34:12] Voice 8: just casually visit and both walking and sitting are good like when we walked last time with the

[1:34:19] Voice 8: site visit it was great and when we sat down and had a coffee that was great too and then

[1:34:25] Voice 8: there's just simply not as many things we need that we have conflicts about so I think we should

[1:34:29] Voice 8: we should be working more on that for a little while before we have presentations from like

[1:34:34] Voice 8: gary holman or the commission or anything like that okay

[1:34:38] Voice 10: great um we did talk about doing a site

[1:34:45] Voice 10: visit on august 26th um but then we have the meeting the week after is that something that

[1:34:51] Voice 10: anybody would like to still do

[1:34:57] Voice 3: sure yeah

[1:35:00] Voice 8: yeah i'd be into it it's a great time because it's

[1:35:04] Voice 8: tourism still and we can see the island and the tourists isn't it's really good yeah i think so

[1:35:08] Voice 8: i don't

[1:35:09] Voice 4: know if i want to see the sewer plant uh on the 26th um robin but maybe

[1:35:16] Voice 10: it's what on the 26th i

[1:35:18] Voice 4: said i don't know if i want to see the sewer plant on the 26th but maybe

[1:35:21] Voice 4: yeah all

[1:35:23] Voice 10: right well um i'm i'm working until at least noon on the 26th i don't know if

[1:35:30] Voice 10: if we could start at noon.

[1:35:37] Voice 13: Works for me.

[1:35:38] Voice 13: Works for me.

[1:35:39] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:35:41] Voice 10: Do we want to just meet at maybe at MB's

[1:35:45] Voice 10: if we're talking about that as being a corner

[1:35:47] Voice 10: and we can kind of do a site visit

[1:35:49] Voice 10: looking at the corners

[1:35:52] Voice 10: and walk that route again within the village core?

[1:35:59] Voice 10: Okay, so who all could make it on next Thursday at noon?

[1:36:07] Voice 10: Eric are you in?

[1:36:09] Voice 12: Not sure yet.

[1:36:10] Voice 10: Okay well sounds great we'll we'll plan to meet then at MB at noon

[1:36:15] Voice 10: next Thursday and then the following Thursday um at wherever Rob um finds for the group with a

[1:36:22] Voice 10: minute taker um to discuss the the corners of the maps the plan elements and um and we'll see if

[1:36:31] Voice 10: there's anything else that we want to add to that agenda in the meantime if you have something

[1:36:35] Voice 10: specifically you'd like to add to the agenda please do email and um email me and uh i will

[1:36:42] Voice 10: make sure that uh it's it's shared and um that's good well thanks everyone is there anything else

[1:36:51] Voice 10: to talk about or shall we sign off

[1:36:53] Voice 13: hang on hang on we're going we task force where are we on the

[1:36:57] Voice 13: it's not not test for us we are the task force uh uh consultation groups uh

[1:37:05] Voice 10: luisa was going to

[1:37:05] Voice 10: send us the list of stakeholders that they have so far and right we could add that

[1:37:10] Voice 10: should we add

[1:37:12] Voice 9: that into

[1:37:13] Voice 10: the meeting agenda as well um on september 2nd to add and discuss stakeholder

[1:37:19] Voice 10: groups okay uh bob nope

[1:37:26] Voice 3: i'm good thanks

[1:37:27] Voice 7: anything

[1:37:28] Voice 10: to add sebastian no

[1:37:30] Voice 7: i'll just have to catch up

[1:37:32] Voice 7: sorry I did have some things to add but I'm sorry I'm out of context now we

[1:37:38] Voice 10: can hear you if you if

[1:37:40] Voice 10: you want to share anything but

[1:37:42] Voice 7: I think I can review what's been happening at this meeting

[1:37:44] Voice 7: is that correct it'll be possible to to see what happened a

[1:37:48] Voice 10: whole video yeah

[1:37:50] Voice 7: so I'll do that all

[1:37:52] Voice 10: right Eric you've been pretty quiet is there anything you'd like to share I

[1:38:00] Voice 3: think a huge

[1:38:00] Voice 3: thank you to david dunison for the work you did thank you david thank you david

[1:38:06] Voice 13: i'm just sharing

[1:38:07] Voice 13: learning the best

[1:38:10] Voice 10: way to teach

[1:38:11] Voice 13: but you're welcome thank you for acknowledging and

[1:38:15] Voice 10: anybody else uh

[1:38:17] Voice 10: peter or flora luisa let's

[1:38:20] Voice 1: say thank you all for taking the time and putting the work into it

[1:38:24] Voice 1: it's um looking good thank you all

[1:38:28] Voice 10: right lisa thank you all right have a great day

[1:38:34] Voice 10: see you guys next week uh at mb okay

[1:38:37] Voice 3: thanks bye everybody