Galiano Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, September 7, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 18: yeah yeah brad is there something else can i

[0:00:02] Planner: just say that i need to leave by 5 15 to uh

[0:00:05] Voice 18: we're aiming for a hard stop at five o'clock perfect thanks i'm hoping we can do that and i'm

[0:00:12] Voice 18: five

[0:00:12] Planner: would be better but i can hold out to 5 15 but then i have another conflicting

[0:00:18] Planner: appointment well

[0:00:20] Voice 18: and dion has to get ready for her north pender meeting so

[0:00:23] Voice 18: oh

[0:00:23] Planner: poor lady back to back anyway

[0:00:27] Voice 18: i i see that we've gone live so um yes

[0:00:33] Voice 15: um

[0:00:49] Voice 18: good afternoon

[0:00:51] Voice 18: everyone uh we'll just start in a moment i see people are still coming in although

[0:01:13] Voice 20: we seem to

[0:01:14] Voice 20: of stabilized

[0:01:16] Voice 18: at 21. So anyway, oh, there's 22. So welcome to the September 7th, day after

[0:01:32] Voice 18: Labor Day, regular meeting of the Galeano Local Trust Committee. My name is Dan Rogers

[0:01:40] Voice 18: and I'm the chair of the Galeano Local Trust Committee. More about that in a moment. And

[0:01:46] Voice 18: And I want to welcome you and start the meeting with the acknowledgement, of course, and the realization that we are meeting across the traditional territories of the Coast Salish peoples and many Coast Salish peoples.

[0:02:08] Voice 18: I'm joining you from the traditional territory of the Musqueam, Tsleil-Waututh, and Squamish peoples.

[0:02:16] Voice 18: I know there's people in the Masonic territory down in Victoria, some of our staff, and of

[0:02:22] Voice 18: course, your trustees are joining you from Galliano, which is a traditional territory

[0:02:28] Voice 18: of a number of First Nations, including the Penelope Nation.

[0:02:31] Voice 18: I always like to take a moment to just have you think about what that means for you as

[0:02:37] Voice 18: an individual and how you can honor that and uh that as and as we carry on with our our um uh

[0:02:44] Voice 18: our journey towards reconciliation um it's been a difficult um i don't want to say how many months

[0:02:55] Voice 18: probably millennia but um hundreds of years but it's been a particularly difficult number of

[0:03:01] Voice 18: months um with both the impact of the pandemic and of course the uh the revealing of the um

[0:03:10] Voice 18: the number of the uh residential school unmarked graves and it's been a challenging time to

[0:03:17] Voice 18: continue this um and uh it's an appropriate month for us to be thinking about that carefully as we

[0:03:25] Voice 18: as we head towards the new holiday on the 30th,

[0:03:33] Voice 18: which is intended as a time for everyone to recognize

[0:03:38] Voice 18: and participate in their own way

[0:03:41] Voice 18: in reconciliation activities.

[0:03:43] Voice 18: Anyway, I'm very grateful to be here

[0:03:46] Voice 18: and to be able to live and work in this territory.

[0:03:49] Voice 18: We are blessed to

[0:03:56] Voice 18: be able to live in the beautiful areas that we do, challenging times for all of us, and we have

[0:04:02] Voice 18: some challenging issues on our agenda today. I want to introduce a few people who you may,

[0:04:08] Voice 18: you'll be hearing during the course of the day. Of course, you have your two trustees,

[0:04:12] Voice 18: Trustee Wolverton and Trustee Rockefeller, Jane and Tahir. It's been 18 months since I've seen

[0:04:19] Voice 18: you in person, but it's great to always see you even virtually, and hopefully that will change

[0:04:25] Voice 18: And also you'll see on your screen,

[0:04:27] Voice 18: you'll see the Island Planner for Galliano, Brad Smith.

[0:04:31] Voice 18: You'll be hearing a number of times from Planner Smith today.

[0:04:33] Voice 18: You'll see the wonderful recorder, Carly Bilney.

[0:04:38] Voice 18: Carly, nice to see you as always.

[0:04:40] Voice 18: Carly's keeping the minutes for us.

[0:04:43] Voice 18: You'll also see Planner Phil Testamale,

[0:04:46] Voice 18: who will be presenting on one of the applications

[0:04:51] Voice 18: we have before us today.

[0:04:52] Voice 18: today. So Phil, we'll see you later. You'll also see, and you would have seen last week

[0:04:57] Voice 18: if you had joined us, the freshwater specialist, William Shulbaugh, who's here as a resource

[0:05:03] Voice 18: for us and will be monitoring the meeting in the background. So thanks, William.

[0:05:10] Voice 18: And Dionne LaForge is with us today. Hi, Dionne. Dionne is running the spaceship Galeano today

[0:05:17] Voice 18: and all of the attenuent electronics.

[0:05:22] Voice 18: So you may hear me talk to Dionne from time to time

[0:05:24] Voice 18: during the course of the day.

[0:05:26] Voice 18: So that's the people who are here.

[0:05:31] Voice 18: I just have a few words to say before we get started.

[0:05:34] Voice 18: And I also think that Trustee Wolverton

[0:05:36] Voice 18: may have a few things she wishes to say

[0:05:38] Voice 18: before we do get into the trustee report.

[0:05:40] Voice 18: Just so you know, this is our regular business meeting.

[0:05:43] Voice 18: I am, if you don't know,

[0:05:45] Voice 18: So I am a member of the executive of Island's Trust.

[0:05:49] Voice 18: And as a result of that, I'm a trustee elected out of the Gambier-Keats local trust area.

[0:05:55] Voice 18: And as an executive member, I'm assigned to chair a number of local trust committees.

[0:05:59] Voice 18: I'm one of three trustees who decides the various applications and decisions as to how to move forward.

[0:06:05] Voice 18: I clearly don't live on Galliano, so I don't bring that local perspective.

[0:06:09] Voice 18: But I do bring the perspective of the trust as a whole.

[0:06:13] Voice 18: and also my it's my responsibility to chair the meeting and to make sure it's conducted in a safe

[0:06:21] Voice 18: and and respectful way and that's what I intend to do today and at all times the the meeting is

[0:06:30] Voice 18: is particularly that the agenda is particularly busy today so I'm going to start and I'll be

[0:06:39] Voice 18: saying this again and by suggesting to people to try and keep any comments that they may have at

[0:06:45] Voice 18: times when you'll have the appropriate opportunity to speak um as brief as possible um we have a

[0:06:51] Voice 18: number of applications and decision items on our agenda going forward this is um as i said uh we

[0:07:00] Voice 18: will have what you will see is as we continue in this electronic format and i'll be talking about

[0:07:05] Voice 18: about that a bit more when I get to the chair's report.

[0:07:08] Voice 18: The electronic format, if you've been here,

[0:07:10] Voice 18: you're familiar with it.

[0:07:12] Voice 18: What it allows you to do is to watch us do our business.

[0:07:17] Voice 18: The staff and the trustees do their business

[0:07:20] Voice 18: as you would if you were in a meeting hall,

[0:07:22] Voice 18: watch us conduct our business.

[0:07:24] Voice 18: And then there will be a few opportunities

[0:07:26] Voice 18: for you to speak.

[0:07:28] Voice 18: There's a town hall at the beginning.

[0:07:30] Voice 18: And if presuming we have time,

[0:07:33] Voice 18: there will be a town hall at the end.

[0:07:34] Voice 18: and i say that because we have a couple of staff members i'm just giving you this flag

[0:07:39] Voice 18: that have to leave in a particular time today um as i said a little earlier to one of the trustees

[0:07:46] Voice 18: it's like we have to catch a ferry um but we don't um and we should wish we i was there and

[0:07:52] Voice 18: didn't have to catch a ferry but we do have a bit of a time constraint somewhere around

[0:07:57] Voice 18: five o'clockish so um i do ask you to be brief and to be concise with the points that you make

[0:08:04] Voice 18: to go forward when we have those opportunities trustee wolverson i know you asked for to be

[0:08:09] Voice 18: that's would you like to do it now or yeah

[0:08:11] Voice 10: yes yes i would um okay so i i i asked to do this

[0:08:18] Voice 10: introduction again today because of the many comments i've received over the past few months

[0:08:22] Voice 10: about the tenor of our meetings this must be a safe place for everyone it's also a workplace of

[0:08:28] Voice 10: staff and trustees and as with all workplaces we're entitled to have a work environment that

[0:08:33] Voice 10: is safe and respectful. It also needs to be a safe place for everyone who attends these meetings

[0:08:37] Voice 10: and I've heard from many that they're very uncomfortable with the animosity and what they

[0:08:41] Voice 10: perceive as personal attacks. I think that the COVID restrictions and maybe the heat wave and

[0:08:47] Voice 10: the drought have affected how we relate to each other. Several years ago we used to have a break

[0:08:53] Voice 10: in the meetings so that we could have refreshments, have a chance to talk and to talk informally and

[0:09:00] Voice 10: And without that, I think we've lost some connections and civility.

[0:09:04] Voice 10: Staff and trustees are trying their best.

[0:09:06] Voice 10: You may not always agree with your trustees.

[0:09:08] Voice 10: We don't always agree with each other.

[0:09:11] Voice 10: I think that when we can have civil discourse, we can hear each other better and that these

[0:09:16] Voice 10: discussions can be more comprehensive and thoughtful.

[0:09:19] Voice 10: The issues we're dealing with are complex and may have long-ranging effects.

[0:09:25] Voice 10: effects. Galliano residents are definitely passionate and engaged, and this is great.

[0:09:30] Voice 10: We appreciate all of the views of this community, but sometimes not in the way that they're

[0:09:36] Voice 10: delivered. So please remember to speak only during those times allotted to you. Address

[0:09:42] Voice 10: the trustees. If you have a question that staff needs to answer, the trust committee

[0:09:46] Voice 10: will ask staff to respond. This is not an open forum for you to address other members

[0:09:51] Voice 10: members of the community, you can do that elsewhere in the community.

[0:09:54] Voice 10: Please speak to the issues and use language that is honest, accurate and

[0:09:58] Voice 10: direct and focuses on the facts, and please speak respectfully.

[0:10:03] Voice 10: Thank you for your cooperation in making these meetings effective and constructive.

[0:10:12] Voice 18: Thank you, Trustee Wilberton.

[0:10:14] Voice 18: I appreciate those comments and I echo a lot of them.

[0:10:17] Voice 18: I echo a lot of things I've said.

[0:10:18] Voice 18: It's good to have another voice express those views.

[0:10:21] Voice 18: so and I know from my experience on Galeano the community is capable of having those kinds of

[0:10:30] Voice 18: respectful dialogue and I've seen it on many occasions and with that I'm going to go to the

[0:10:36] Voice 18: agenda and I'm going to just look at the agenda and I'm going to suggest one amendment to the

[0:10:45] Voice 18: the agenda we have um one application which is 13.5 or lidsky which is um which is a carryover

[0:10:55] Voice 18: from last meeting uh which is the only application that uh planner testamental is speaking to so i'm

[0:11:01] Voice 18: so in order so that he doesn't have to be here all day i'm going to propose that we move 13.5

[0:11:07] Voice 18: up to the top of the application section and then renumber all the rest of them if that's okay with

[0:11:12] Voice 18: with both the trustees.

[0:11:14] Voice 18: I see Trustee Rockefeller nodding.

[0:11:16] Voice 18: Trustee Wolff, that's okay with you.

[0:11:18] Voice 18: Then with that amendment,

[0:11:19] Voice 18: are there any other additions or changes

[0:11:22] Voice 18: that you wish to make to the agenda?

[0:11:24] Voice 18: Nothing from you, Trustee Rockefeller,

[0:11:26] Voice 18: nothing from you, Trustee Wolff.

[0:11:28] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:11:29] Voice 18: With that, we'll adopt the agenda as amended

[0:11:32] Voice 18: and we'll move right into trustee reports.

[0:11:36] Voice 18: So if

[0:11:37] Voice 18: I could go,

[0:11:38] Voice 18: this is the opportunity for the trustees

[0:11:40] Voice 18: these to to uh update you on what they've been working on and what they would like you to know

[0:11:45] Voice 18: who would like to go first how about you trustee rockefeller given that trustee will um

[0:11:49] Voice 8: sure i

[0:11:51] Voice 8: just want to remind everybody that trust council is coming up next week and um and thank you for

[0:11:56] Voice 8: all your course oh next

[0:11:57] Voice 8: week week after it feels like it's tomorrow um and you'll find the the

[0:12:03] Voice 8: date on the unstressed website and we'll post it on trust galliano as well and um and thanks for

[0:12:09] Voice 8: your correspondence i look forward to to hearing more about what you think thank you

[0:12:13] Voice 17: go ahead jane

[0:12:19] Voice 10: okay um so yeah it's it's been a busy time for both of us um one of the things that i've been

[0:12:27] Voice 10: working on is advocating with bc ferries to reduce speed in active pass when the tides are at 11 plus

[0:12:33] Voice 10: and this relates to the spirit class of ship and the wave action is causing a lot of erosion and

[0:12:41] Voice 10: damage to the middens within the pass. I've also been advocating with BC Ferries to announce more

[0:12:48] Voice 10: information about the fire risk and drought conditions on the islands. I mean, that might

[0:12:52] Voice 10: be a little moot at the moment, but we're coming up, but it's to get them to just do this as a

[0:12:58] Voice 10: regular, regular thing. Dealing with some complaints about non-permitted activities on

[0:13:05] Voice 10: on properties participating.

[0:13:07] Voice 10: We both participated in the governance review,

[0:13:12] Voice 10: continuing to read all the correspondence

[0:13:14] Voice 10: related to our applications,

[0:13:16] Voice 10: as well as the trust policy statement.

[0:13:19] Voice 10: We both worked to get the word out

[0:13:21] Voice 10: about the groundwater webinar

[0:13:22] Voice 10: that we held on September 1st.

[0:13:25] Voice 10: And also I was making inquiries about,

[0:13:30] Voice 10: because complaints have been made

[0:13:32] Voice 10: about people watering during a drought and who has jurisdiction to um enforce anything uh about

[0:13:40] Voice 10: drought especially drought level five and it appears that no one does so it's something we

[0:13:47] Voice 10: may need to address somewhere um the question was people using groundwater to water um not food

[0:13:55] Voice 10: gardens but just or wash cars or whatever they were doing anyway that's all thank you

[0:14:06] Voice 18: you um august has traditionally been sort of a quiet month of the trust and it was not um it's

[0:14:14] Voice 18: a very busy time uh although i did manage to get away for a couple of weeks um the uh the um there

[0:14:23] Voice 18: are a couple of things i'll i'll just give you the heads up on that that the executive committee

[0:14:28] Voice 18: committee is working on. First is after the, you may recall there was a special trust council

[0:14:37] Voice 18: meeting on July the 8th to consider first reading the trust policy statement did not receive trust

[0:14:43] Voice 18: first reading. Instead, it was received by the trust council and has been referred out to a

[0:14:52] Voice 18: number of agencies, including it's on our agenda. And you'll see it there as we're a referral

[0:14:57] Voice 18: agents and we'll be talking a little bit later about what we what that means um after the the

[0:15:03] Voice 18: july 8th meeting and after uh some consideration of the various motions uh executive committee

[0:15:09] Voice 18: gave direction to the senior staff to to uh find to to retain some consulting assistance to develop

[0:15:19] Voice 18: a new engagement plan or the next step in the engagement plan and the reason

[0:15:27] Voice 18: that was done was because one of the things we heard from many members of the

[0:15:34] Voice 18: public including some from Galliano was they didn't feel like they had been

[0:15:40] Voice 18: engaged during our previous engagement some people said they had felt fully

[0:15:46] Voice 18: engaged there were some of that but there were a number of people that felt

[0:15:49] Voice 18: they didn't and that's I suppose not that surprising given that people thought a lot of

[0:15:54] Voice 18: people just are until there's a specific proposal on the table people aren't necessarily engaged in

[0:16:00] Voice 18: the discussion of the sort of what do you imagine for the trust going forward so we wanted to make

[0:16:07] Voice 18: sure that we did it a little bit more fulsomely and perhaps a little bit differently and got some

[0:16:11] Voice 18: advice and there's people out there that do that so tomorrow the executive committee will be

[0:16:17] Voice 18: be considering again the draft engagement strategy to refer to trust council we received it last week

[0:16:24] Voice 18: at a special meeting of the executive committee and um it's and if presuming that uh the executive

[0:16:33] Voice 18: committee agrees to this they'll be referred to and i can't imagine why i wouldn't it will be

[0:16:39] Voice 18: referred to the trust council for their consideration as the next stage of the engagement

[0:16:45] Voice 18: the engagement on the trust policy.

[0:16:50] Voice 18: It's not the actual engagement itself,

[0:16:55] Voice 18: it's a strategy for the engagement.

[0:16:58] Voice 18: The actual engagement itself will need a plan

[0:17:00] Voice 18: that may require engagement of further consulting work,

[0:17:05] Voice 18: consultants to help us do that.

[0:17:07] Voice 18: And you can read that on the executive committee agenda.

[0:17:11] Voice 18: agenda. I'm not sure the revised one's up there for tomorrow yet. I knew it was going to be a

[0:17:17] Voice 18: late item, but it's going to be sometime today. But it will just be a variation of the one that

[0:17:22] Voice 18: we received last Thursday. So you can find it there if you want, if you're interested in the

[0:17:27] Voice 18: engagement strategy. One of the things that's very clear is that we want to tailor it to the

[0:17:33] Voice 18: particular local trust area because it's different local trust areas um have different um levels of

[0:17:41] Voice 18: of uh desire to be uh consulted etc so uh at plus there'll be a whole suite of of other engagement

[0:17:49] Voice 18: opportunities so that people can comment on the trust policy statement uh there's probably going

[0:17:55] Voice 18: to be a recommendation that we um we move the first reading of the policy statement out to

[0:18:02] Voice 18: March instead of December, as we had currently calculated, but we'll see where that goes. I just

[0:18:08] Voice 18: felt that we don't want to compress the time. The other thing that I wanted to talk to you about is

[0:18:15] Voice 18: what the plan is going forward in terms of our local trust committee meetings.

[0:18:23] Voice 18: And as I'm sure all of you are aware, where we're at in the pandemic is a little unclear.

[0:18:30] Voice 18: clear. Things continue to evolve and the numbers are not great in particular areas of the province

[0:18:37] Voice 18: and I'm not sure where the restrictions are going to take us. At this moment in time the public

[0:18:45] Voice 18: health order that allowed us to continue to do these meetings exclusively over electronic means

[0:18:51] Voice 18: like this is scheduled to end on September the 30th. We've talked about as a local trust

[0:18:59] Voice 18: Committee that that means we would plan to go back to in-person meetings of some form in early

[0:19:06] Voice 18: October and I think we've got a CIM scheduled to be in person on October the 2nd. That's the plan.

[0:19:13] Voice 18: There is an additional part to that plan is as our intention is if we can get the

[0:19:18] Voice 18: technology up and running as quickly as we can is that there will also be a broadcast component

[0:19:24] Voice 18: of the local trust committee meetings.

[0:19:27] Voice 18: Whether it's a broadcast component

[0:19:29] Voice 18: or an interactive component is as yet to be finalized.

[0:19:34] Voice 18: This is a challenging thing to do

[0:19:37] Voice 18: when you have effectively 12 different local governments

[0:19:41] Voice 18: that you have to get the equipment to

[0:19:43] Voice 18: with different capacities for broadband, et cetera.

[0:19:48] Voice 18: And I know, for example, if we went up to the North Hall,

[0:19:51] Voice 18: I'm guessing that the reception the broadband there the Wi-Fi is not as good

[0:19:56] Voice 18: as it might be in the South Hall or the Lions Hall so you know there's there's

[0:20:01] Voice 18: complications in relation to this to make this happen what we're trying to do

[0:20:05] Voice 18: is is to provide a an option for a hybrid model so that people that don't

[0:20:11] Voice 18: feel comfortable can still attend our meetings so that we have the capacity

[0:20:14] Voice 18: that people that can't be there in person can come but also to have an

[0:20:18] Voice 18: in-person capacity if that's what the public health orders lead us to. I'm not entirely

[0:20:26] Voice 18: convinced. There might not be a change, but we'll see what happens. As of right now, that's what

[0:20:31] Voice 18: we're heading towards at the end of September. So hopefully, I'll be able to be on Galliano

[0:20:41] Voice 18: in at the beginning of October to attend the meetings

[0:20:46] Voice 18: and we'll see what the public health orders are

[0:20:49] Voice 18: and what our requirements are in terms of attendance

[0:20:52] Voice 18: and how many and masking, et cetera, et cetera,

[0:20:55] Voice 18: because we're not quite sure

[0:20:56] Voice 18: what that's going to look like by then.

[0:21:00] Voice 18: I think I've talked enough.

[0:21:01] Voice 18: There's many other things going on at the trust level.

[0:21:06] Voice 18: And as we've already been told,

[0:21:07] Voice 18: trust council is scheduled for,

[0:21:10] Voice 18: And there's going to be two, you haven't seen the draft yet,

[0:21:14] Voice 18: there's going to be two very interesting information sessions at Trust Council.

[0:21:19] Voice 18: One from the Coast Guard about their response, spill response that they're working on

[0:21:25] Voice 18: and building out in the Salish Sea and the southern coast.

[0:21:30] Voice 18: And the other is about, we're going to have our guests, our friends from the border of Washington State

[0:21:37] Voice 18: over and help me, my brain's gone. San Juan County coming and they'll be talking about a drift

[0:21:45] Voice 18: analysis study that they've done and are asking for assistance on, but both of those should be

[0:21:50] Voice 18: interesting in addition to our regular business and the trust policy statement. So that's sort of

[0:21:57] Voice 18: my update. I could talk for a long time, but I'm not going to because we have a long meeting ahead

[0:22:02] Voice 18: having said that we're going to go to uh the town hall and questions it's 12 53 i would i'm going

[0:22:13] Voice 18: yes by the the uh the number of comments that we have received that there might be a few people

[0:22:21] Voice 18: that wish to speak um so what i would ask you is two things uh first is i would like to uh

[0:22:30] Voice 18: restrict commentary to um items that nobody's recused on so just on um

[0:22:38] Voice 18: uh so so please let's not have any commentary yet on either galley or giggers

[0:22:45] Voice 18: uh so any anything else is on our agenda or anything else you wish to speak to us about

[0:22:50] Voice 18: um is fine and i i'm going to also suggest that we keep the commentary to two minutes if you

[0:22:57] Voice 18: possibly can at this time and um uh i want to echo again what trustee wolverton said about

[0:23:04] Voice 18: uh the nature of the comments that we're going to receive please speak to us please um please

[0:23:11] Voice 18: be respectful and um speak to the issues not personal so uh with that um so this is on

[0:23:18] Voice 18: anything other than galley or giggers uh i'll recognize suzanne fournier and if we could uh move

[0:23:27] Voice 18: Suzanne over that would be great so Suzanne you should be able to unmute yourself and if you wish

[0:23:39] Voice 18: to turn your camera on you're welcome to do so I'm

[0:23:43] Voice 1: going to just deal with the unmuting for the

[0:23:47] Voice 1: for the moment because our internet is not always the best I'd like to just say hello to the

[0:23:55] Voice 1: trustees and the chair i hope you've had a great and productive summer and i concur with trustee

[0:24:04] Voice 1: wolverton's remarks meetings should be respectful i just want to point out that in return we wish

[0:24:12] Voice 1: for the same level of respect from trustees and i have never heard on almost any issue the amount of

[0:24:19] Voice 1: of discouragement that I have heard from renowned ecologists

[0:24:24] Voice 1: and conservationists on this island

[0:24:27] Voice 1: concerning the Crystal Mountain proposal.

[0:24:30] Voice 1: People simply feel that they're not being listened to.

[0:24:33] Voice 1: But I have more faith in that, so I'm going to continue.

[0:24:37] Voice 1: And thank you for letting me start

[0:24:38] Voice 1: because I have a meeting at two o'clock as well.

[0:24:42] Voice 1: I'm gonna just touch on a couple of key points

[0:24:45] Voice 1: because I think my fellow residents are going to cover some of those.

[0:24:51] Voice 1: At the community information meeting,

[0:24:54] Voice 1: I asked why Crystal Mountain was in the community facility category

[0:25:02] Voice 1: and why it was not in commercial visitor accommodation.

[0:25:08] Voice 1: So the planner, Smith, replied that it really came from the LTC.

[0:25:13] Voice 1: see it was inherited since 2015 and he said looking forward it might actually be better

[0:25:20] Voice 1: moved to the economic category subheading the economic activity and its own separate

[0:25:26] Voice 1: sub-designation under that classification and he went on to say that looking at the matter as a

[0:25:34] Voice 1: planner which is what he's paid to do the LTC could turn their mind to where it might fit better

[0:25:40] Voice 1: perhaps in visitor accommodation and the goal is to provide a variety of visitor accommodations

[0:25:48] Voice 1: to ensure that visitor accommodations do not adversely affect the natural environment

[0:25:53] Voice 1: therefore it wouldn't be unreasonable to move it into visitor accommodation he made it very plain

[0:25:59] Voice 1: that as a you know staff professional he can only do so much it's really up to the trustees

[0:26:06] Voice 1: 50s, Wolverton, Rockefeller and Rogers, whether this commercial accommodation is adequately zoned

[0:26:13] Voice 1: and accurately zoned. Just as a matter of interest, I checked out, I googled Gulf Islands

[0:26:20] Voice 1: retreats. And Crystal Mountain came up as the third site listed. And it got a very glowing

[0:26:28] Voice 1: google google review it was listed as open and the google review said that um um this is a facility

[0:26:36] Voice 1: uh a luxury um rustic facility it uh is offers views of trincomalee channel um it is uh in a

[0:26:48] Voice 1: beautiful forest um and on and on and on it it was the google review she did not mention the fact

[0:26:55] Voice 1: that she's on the executive of crystal mountain another crystal mountain follower has said that

[0:27:00] Voice 1: they regularly meet people from i've

[0:27:03] Voice 18: given you an extra minute suzanne can you wrap it up please

[0:27:06] Voice 1: um the first minute was just introduction um but no i'll get there i'll be quick um

[0:27:13] Voice 1: by their own advertising they are attracting an off-island visitor accommodation for people from

[0:27:20] Voice 1: all over the world. Nevertheless the residents have to bear the brunt of this development. It's

[0:27:26] Voice 1: our local roads. If we are honest and say that they're running a commercial accommodation which

[0:27:32] Voice 1: the APS chair was astonished that it hadn't been zoned thusly then there would be issues about

[0:27:40] Voice 1: roads. There would be issues about water use and I submit at this time there should be no groundwater

[0:27:46] Voice 1: water used on that site. Spotlight Cove residents are already running dry with saltwater intrusion

[0:27:52] Voice 1: and now Crystal Mountain wants to separate off the bone dry cliff area and sink another well

[0:27:59] Voice 1: and have another kitchen and laundry on the top of the ridge. If you look at their maps it's very

[0:28:04] Voice 1: clear that there is to be separation between those two areas so they have to duplicate

[0:28:09] Voice 1: advocate kitchen, laundry, washing facilities, et cetera.

[0:28:14] Voice 1: Thanks,

[0:28:15] Voice 18: Suzanne. I am going to ask you to stop to finish now.

[0:28:18] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:28:20] Voice 18: I've given you four minutes and I asked you to do it in two. So please.

[0:28:24] Voice 1: And I make just one quick more point.

[0:28:27] Voice 1: My other concern is that there will be no access to publicly owned DL 87,

[0:28:32] Voice 1: which is under indigenous claim as a crown title as,

[0:28:37] Voice 1: As presently configured, it would be a private path from Mark Webber's doorstep to the long-term cabins.

[0:28:44] Voice 1: Nobody is allowed on that trail.

[0:28:46] Voice 1: So I think the First Nations should be more thoroughly considered and consulted, including Lilam Saratanao, which is our local Indigenous families.

[0:28:57] Voice 1: Thanks for the time.

[0:28:59] Voice 18: Thank you. Bye-bye.

[0:29:01] Voice 18: Okay, I have Avi Bryant here, please.

[0:29:21] Voice 18: yes you're you're unmuted go ahead there you go yeah

[0:29:24] Voice 25: um i uh i also um wanted to comment on the

[0:29:30] Voice 25: um the addition to the ocp recommended in the staff report for the crystal mountain uh site um

[0:29:39] Voice 25: i'm um i'm in contrast to suzanne i guess uh perfectly happy with the idea of adding um

[0:29:47] Voice 25: another use under community facilities um I'm curious whether the trustees have considered

[0:29:55] Voice 25: making that addition a little bit broader than spirit

[0:30:00] Voice 25: education specifically. I'll note that we have several educational retreat type facilities on

[0:30:12] Voice 25: Caliano. So the Conservancy's Millard Learning Center is currently zoned for environmental

[0:30:19] Voice 25: education. This would be zoned for spiritual education. And the Gulf Islands Film and

[0:30:26] Voice 25: television school, which is not currently operational, has a sort of special carve-out

[0:30:31] Voice 25: zoning as a film school. And so it seems to me that it's great to reflect in the OCP this kind

[0:30:39] Voice 25: of use, and I'm in favor of this kind of use. But if in this particular case, we're going to add

[0:30:45] Voice 25: some specific language to the OCP, then perhaps we could make it, you know, non-profit education

[0:30:53] Voice 25: education or educational retreat similar to the same kind of restrictions and guidelines that are

[0:31:00] Voice 25: mentioned in the staff report but without limiting it to that very specific spiritual aspect that

[0:31:06] Voice 25: probably will only see actually used by by this one site so that was the comment I had just wanted

[0:31:12] Voice 25: to make that suggestion thank

[0:31:14] Voice 18: you very much Mr. Lewis the next person is Art Moses can we promote

[0:31:47] Voice 18: Art over? Mr. Moses?

[0:31:50] Voice 16: I had promoted him and then he disappeared.

[0:31:53] Voice 18: He's back in the attendees section.

[0:31:56] Voice 16: Oh, I've tried three times to promote him.

[0:32:00] Voice 18: Good. Well, let's maybe come back to him.

[0:32:03] Voice 18: Leave your hand up, Mr. Moses, and we'll come back to you. Let's go to Jennifer Marguson.

[0:32:21] Voice 23: Thank you. This relates a little bit to Suzanne's comment, but I wanted to thank

[0:32:27] Voice 23: Mr Shulba who's there today and the trustees for a really informative webinar on groundwater and

[0:32:35] Voice 23: freshwater sustainability. I think it was really interesting and I'm sorry only sorry that not more

[0:32:43] Voice 23: than 50 people had a chance to see it. I do think it's one of the most important subjects for our

[0:32:49] Voice 23: island going forward and being able to adapt to climate change and I was very pleased to hear Mr

[0:32:56] Voice 23: Mr. Shulba identified groundwater as a unique amenity

[0:32:59] Voice 23: that of course should be preserved and protected.

[0:33:04] Voice 23: I'm hoping that more people will have a chance

[0:33:06] Voice 23: to see this webinar.

[0:33:08] Voice 23: I'm imagining that it is posted now, I haven't checked,

[0:33:11] Voice 23: but I thought in particular the diagrams and discussion

[0:33:14] Voice 23: of the vulnerability of wells to saltwater intrusion

[0:33:18] Voice 23: and how forests are our freshwater stewards

[0:33:21] Voice 23: was really important as well as the chart showing

[0:33:24] Voice 23: showing how little wet season runoff is actually retained by the land and also to see the map of

[0:33:33] Voice 23: Galliano and the clustering of wells in different parts of the island I think illustrates the

[0:33:39] Voice 23: vulnerability of our freshwater resources so I guess my my overall comment would be

[0:33:44] Voice 23: a hopeful comment that the trustees will also have have gained from this presentation and from

[0:33:55] Voice 23: William Shulba's ongoing expertise and that land use decisions will offer much more connection

[0:34:05] Voice 23: between science and planning going forward so thank you again all of you for organizing that

[0:34:13] Voice 23: I really appreciate it.

[0:34:15] Voice 18: Thank you, Ms. Marguson.

[0:34:17] Voice 18: Two things I can say, I'm not sure if it is posted,

[0:34:19] Voice 18: but it probably is by now.

[0:34:21] Voice 18: But if you want to see it live,

[0:34:24] Voice 18: go to the North Pender LTCs having their presentation,

[0:34:28] Voice 18: which will be more focused on North Pender, of course,

[0:34:32] Voice 18: the mapping, but it'll be a similar presentation

[0:34:36] Voice 18: this evening, I think at six o'clock.

[0:34:38] Voice 18: So those two options, yes, Trustee Wolverton.

[0:34:42] Voice 18: uh

[0:34:42] Voice 10: yes i just wanted to mention that there actually were many more people watching the

[0:34:47] Voice 10: webinar who hadn't signed in i've been hearing from them and also people have been watching it

[0:34:53] Voice 10: on the the podcast or since september 1st so right it is good it is getting out there for sure

[0:35:01] Voice 10: right

[0:35:02] Voice 18: people may not know and i i sometimes overlook this we're not when we are webinar is

[0:35:07] Voice 18: live it's not only the webinar but you can there's actually a broadcast that's going on as well you

[0:35:13] Voice 18: can choose to be watching the broadcast as opposed to being in the webinar um and many many people

[0:35:20] Voice 18: choose that and just sort of watch as opposed to participate okay thanks very much for that uh i'm

[0:35:26] Voice 18: going to try can we try uh mr moses oh well there's miss fournier's back by

[0:35:37] Voice 1: the way um chair rogers

[0:35:39] Voice 1: when you

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[0:35:45] Voice 1: shut me

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[0:35:47] Voice 1: so I

[0:35:48] Voice 1: had to

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[0:35:53] Voice 18: technical

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[0:35:54] Voice 18: because we

[0:35:55] Voice 18: did promote

[0:35:55] Voice 18: you and

[0:35:56] Voice 18: then put

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[0:35:57] Voice 18: into the

[0:35:57] Voice 18: attendee

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[0:35:58] Voice 18: we'll keep

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[0:36:00] Voice 18: that

[0:36:00] Voice 1: okay

[0:36:02] Voice 1: artist here

[0:36:02] Voice 1: I think

[0:36:03] Voice 1: he's just

[0:36:03] Voice 1: trying to

[0:36:04] Voice 1: get his

[0:36:05] Voice 18: see him

[0:36:05] Voice 18: now in

[0:36:06] Voice 18: the panelist

[0:36:07] Voice 18: section so

[0:36:07] Voice 18: yeah

[0:36:09] Voice 18: Mayor Mrakas, There is so if we can move this for me back to the attendees and we'll hear from Mr Moses, please be

[0:36:20] Voice 6: brief, thank you very much, thank you very much, Mr chair trustees yeah I certainly hope that we can move off of the exclusive these new meetings because.

[0:36:32] Voice 6: Mayor Mrakas, The technical issues don't seem to be getting any any better for some of us anyway.

[0:36:38] Voice 6: Anyway, you've received my letter concerning Crystal Mountain, which is what I want to talk about.

[0:36:44] Voice 6: I'm not going to read the letter, of course, but I do want answers to several questions and issues that are related to some of the things that I raised there.

[0:36:53] Voice 6: First off, I'm wondering why the referral to the APC and the community information meeting was inaccurate.

[0:37:00] Voice 6: accurate it says if adopted as written the draft bylaw 256 would result in the creation of a new

[0:37:07] Voice 6: health and wellness section of the ocp with policies specific to spiritual education well

[0:37:14] Voice 6: that isn't what what the bylaw does at all and i don't know why there was a very misleading and

[0:37:20] Voice 6: confusing referral to the apc and to the cim and why is that still on the on the islands trust

[0:37:27] Voice 6: website um and also why is the incorrect description uh the incorrect information

[0:37:34] Voice 6: about what the residential capacity on r2 land on residential land is uh the uh the residential lot

[0:37:42] Voice 6: of uh belonging to crystal mountain uh r2 10 acres the capacity is one house and one cottage

[0:37:51] Voice 6: but again on the Islands Trust website under the CIM it claims that it's two houses and two

[0:37:59] Voice 6: cottages and that's significant I'll come to that the additional significance in a sec but

[0:38:07] Voice 6: I'm also concerned that the minutes in the package from the CIM in June back in June don't reflect

[0:38:15] Voice 6: what the planner said about the utility of putting this development under economic activity and

[0:38:22] Voice 6: visitor accommodation. The planner was very clear. And, you know, it led me to believe that that was

[0:38:28] Voice 6: going to happen. That was the direction. Looking forward, it might actually be better moved to the

[0:38:33] Voice 6: economic subheading, the economic activity subheading, and its own separate subdesignation.

[0:38:39] Voice 6: Suzanne's previously read that and in another place he said that he quoted the he said it

[0:38:47] Voice 6: wouldn't be unreasonable to move it into visitor accommodation after quoting the objectives of the

[0:38:52] Voice 6: visitor accommodation section and but the minutes don't show the planner's preference instead it

[0:38:59] Voice 6: really has him saying well it's up to the LTC to could something like the the issue something the

[0:39:06] Voice 6: ltc could consider why is this now i'm confident that the minute taker takes accurate minutes and

[0:39:13] Voice 6: captured that but uh but it doesn't it's not in the written the written minutes is that because

[0:39:20] Voice 6: the staff report ignored what the planner said and went on and maintained the classification under

[0:39:26] Voice 6: under community facilities and doubled down and added more words like non-profit non-commercial

[0:39:31] Voice 6: and in defiance basically of what uh islands trust legal uh opinion uh said back in 2016

[0:39:38] Voice 6: that it just doesn't it just doesn't make sense and trust me i'm gonna

[0:39:42] Voice 18: ask you to wrap up please

[0:39:43] Voice 18: and of course the planner

[0:39:44] Voice 18: the planner and the and the uh and the the report writer are the same

[0:39:50] Voice 18: person so well

[0:39:54] Voice 6: maybe maybe he could explain it he could explain it i really want an explanation

[0:39:59] Voice 6: it makes no sense i was we were led to believe at the cim that that was the direction that the

[0:40:05] Voice 6: planning department was going and to come back with a staff report today they said it's all

[0:40:10] Voice 6: very fine to keep it in under community facility when it's not a community facility at all

[0:40:15] Voice 6: is a kind of a reversal i'm

[0:40:19] Voice 18: going i i see the planner's got his hand up i see suzanne is still

[0:40:23] Voice 18: in the attend a panelist list can we move her back over to the attendees if you can dion and

[0:40:28] Voice 18: and I did get a note that Ms. Marguson was kicked out

[0:40:32] Voice 18: of the meeting as well when she was moved back.

[0:40:34] Voice 18: So something, we have a bit of a glitch going on right now.

[0:40:38] Voice 16: Yeah, I've been communicating

[0:40:39] Voice 16: with Mark

[0:40:40] Voice 16: and I don't know why that's happening.

[0:40:41] Voice 16: They keep popping back in as panelists.

[0:40:46] Voice 18: Yeah.

[0:40:48] Voice 18: Anyway, maybe Ms. Fournier can turn her camera off then

[0:40:51] Voice 18: and so it doesn't appear that,

[0:40:53] Voice 18: but that's something's gone.

[0:40:56] Voice 18: We've got a glitch.

[0:40:56] Voice 18: We may have to stop and sort of figure that out

[0:40:58] Voice 18: out as to why people are moved back to the attendees.

[0:41:04] Voice 18: So thank you, Mr. Moses.

[0:41:05] Voice 18: I think I gave you a bit more time than normal.

[0:41:08] Voice 6: I'm not finished, really.

[0:41:09] Voice 18: I know you're not finished.

[0:41:10] Voice 18: I know if I let you, you would talk for a long time, but-

[0:41:13] Voice 6: No, I don't talk for a long time,

[0:41:14] Voice 18: but I wanted to finish what I had to say.

[0:41:17] Voice 18: Well, you asked a question

[0:41:18] Voice 18: and I thought you wanted an answer.

[0:41:20] Voice 18: I do.

[0:41:22] Voice 18: Okay, well, that's where we're headed then.

[0:41:26] Voice 6: Can I speak after everyone else has had a turn?

[0:41:29] Voice 6: again if

[0:41:31] Voice 18: if there's time i i i am conscious of the fact that we have a number of people on the

[0:41:36] Voice 18: on the on the on the list and we have a very busy agenda we're trying to keep some order and give

[0:41:42] Voice 18: everybody a fair chance to speak uh miss planner smith could i ask you and miss fournier to both

[0:41:48] Voice 18: mute yourself at this point thanks

[0:41:51] Voice 1: i'll do that chair but this is the third time i've had to go

[0:41:54] Voice 1: back to the website because it's i

[0:41:56] Voice 18: know i i appreciate where i've said that a couple times

[0:41:59] Voice 18: we've got a glitch so i don't know what the answer is we're working on it

[0:42:02] Voice 15: thank you um

[0:42:05] Voice 18: flanner smith now disappeared uh you

[0:42:10] Voice 10: asked you asked him to to uh turn off his camera no i asked

[0:42:14] Voice 18: uh no no not not him did i ask him i'm sorry i didn't mean you flanner smith yeah sorry uh i was

[0:42:21] Voice 18: asking miss vornia because she kept popping up in our screen my camera turned

[0:42:24] Planner: off just because i

[0:42:25] Planner: think uh dion shut them all off but regardless chair rogers do you want me to speak to this now

[0:42:30] Planner: hour in my staff report uh

[0:42:32] Voice 18: if you want to answer his question that would probably be

[0:42:35] Voice 18: so

[0:42:36] Planner: at the uh at the cim uh probably half an hour before the cim we received a

[0:42:42] Planner: a bunch of questions one of them being that question why is this not an economic facility

[0:42:49] Planner: at the cim uh with my first blush uh not having an opportunity to actually look at the policies

[0:42:57] Planner: and how they are structured it seemed reasonable that potentially what they're proposing could be

[0:43:02] Planner: an economic activity and so that is what I suggested that LTC could consider either

[0:43:08] Planner: and it's not a new narrative it's gone back and forth between whether it should be within an

[0:43:14] Planner: economic activity or with within the community facilities section for a number of years so this

[0:43:20] Planner: isn't a new topic what is an important distinction that I understood after looking at it further is

[0:43:26] Planner: that they were raising several points of the CIM that the proposed fit under 4.4 as a spiritual

[0:43:34] Planner: education facility was not compatible with the number of the community facility policies such as

[0:43:42] Planner: needing to demonstrate need before you would consider a rezoning for a new community facility.

[0:43:49] Planner: What the important distinction there is, is that the community facilities and utilities is a sub

[0:43:57] Planner: header or a section header in the OCP but each of the sections of policies, the subsections of

[0:44:05] Planner: policies that fall under that broader heading are their own set of policies. So in this case

[0:44:12] Planner: as it's currently been developed the OCP has its own set of policies that are specific to

[0:44:20] Planner: the spiritual education retreat center and as they are written and amended the proposal would

[0:44:26] Planner: be consistent with that as well so then it really is ultimately up to LTC to decide if it's a better

[0:44:33] Planner: fit as a community facility given the points that I raised in the staff report.

[0:44:40] Planner: From a staff perspective it is a reasonable fit under a community facility designation much like

[0:44:46] Planner: the Conservancy Centre which I also got a better opportunity with some time to look at the other

[0:44:53] Planner: bylaws and the other kind of somewhat similar land use is probably the Millard Conservancy

[0:44:58] Planner: center is the best example, and it is under its own subcategory

[0:45:03] Voice 21: as a community facility utility.

[0:45:09] Voice 18: Okay, my list now, although I,

[0:45:12] Voice 18: thank you, I see that

[0:45:15] Voice 18: I see that Jennifer Margerson is still in the panelist section, as is Suzanne Fournier,

[0:45:28] Voice 18: which is problematic

[0:45:29] Voice 16: rogers i apologize we are trying to fix it from the back side but um i can

[0:45:35] Voice 16: only leave them right now because they keep leaving the meeting and then coming back in

[0:45:38] Voice 16: with their videos on so i'm trying to leave them just with their names but not talking

[0:45:43] Voice 16: otherwise they keep booting in and out coming back on with distracting video

[0:45:47] Voice 20: okay yes um calling dodie please okay

[0:46:14] Voice 11: good afternoon can you hear me we

[0:46:17] Voice 20: can now yes okay

[0:46:18] Voice 11: Okay. All right. Thank you. I understand the Islands Trust has received recently over $367,000 from the local government development approvals program to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of the development approval process for affordable housing applications.

[0:46:37] Voice 11: And I'm curious whether a plan has been developed for those funds and how Galliano's two affordable housing applications might see some benefits from that grant.

[0:46:46] Voice 11: All

[0:46:49] Voice 18: I can tell you is that the grant was announced as a bit of a surprise to everyone

[0:46:57] Voice 18: last Thursday. There would be a plan that had been put in place or an outline of the terms of

[0:47:10] Voice 18: the grant um would have been put in when the application was made uh but you know that was

[0:47:19] Voice 18: a staff initiative that was done um and not a not a trustee initiative and uh so no we don't have

[0:47:29] Voice 18: i haven't seen a plan yet and i'm guessing it'll go to the regional planning committee of which

[0:47:35] Voice 18: which Trustee Wolverton sits on, and there will be a work being done to develop how that will

[0:47:47] Voice 18: roll out and what it will be used for. I think you've sort of characterized that it was intended

[0:47:53] Voice 18: to be to try and find more efficient ways to operate through the development improvement

[0:48:01] Voice 18: proof of process. So, but that's about all I can tell you at this stage. I don't think either the

[0:48:08] Voice 18: trustees know anything more about that. We may not even know the grant. As I said, we were told

[0:48:14] Voice 18: at our executive committee meeting on the 2nd about it for the first time. So very much. And

[0:48:23] Voice 18: it is, and it's, you're right about the number, I think, but I think it's spread out over either

[0:48:30] Voice 18: either two or three years i think it's three years um it's not a lump sum that we get right away and

[0:48:37] Voice 18: i know it's going to be complicated because we're told that uh that we'll get 50 up front but we

[0:48:45] Voice 18: have to fund the rest and then we'll get reimbursed for it uh so there has to be some working done

[0:48:51] Voice 18: okay thank you for the question does that answer your question it

[0:48:53] Voice 11: does thank you okay

[0:48:55] Voice 18: okay now i

[0:48:57] Voice 18: still have two hands up um i see ms fournier's hand is up in the panelist section so are you

[0:49:04] Voice 18: wanting to speak again i

[0:49:10] Voice 1: i would like just a quick question for um the planners and trustees okay

[0:49:19] Voice 20: okay

[0:49:19] Voice 1: right um i'm i'm very puzzled how um the planner can say that this the crystal mountain

[0:49:29] Voice 1: and fits the definition of a community facility i think you had three former trustees disagree with

[0:49:36] Voice 1: you at the cim the galliano conservancy has educated over 15 000 people from kindergarten

[0:49:42] Voice 1: to graduate school we regularly have large events with hundreds of people and attending from both

[0:49:49] Voice 1: indigenous children from all over the lower mainland it is a facility which is open every

[0:49:56] Voice 1: every single day with a walk-through trail as required by the CRD. Crystal Mountain, in contrast,

[0:50:02] Voice 1: provides a retreat for wealthy international visitors. One of the Crystal Mountain leaders

[0:50:10] Voice 1: does exactly this kind of thing for a business, Rustic Luxury Resorts in Central America.

[0:50:17] Voice 1: In the Google listing for Crystal Mountain, it is promoted as a lovely retreat in the forest,

[0:50:24] Voice 1: us. No mention of restrictions, no mention of spiritual education. They're now offering yoga

[0:50:30] Voice 1: and Feldenkrais and other forms of, you know, wellness. So our concerns that it might be turned

[0:50:38] Voice 1: into a spa or purchased by someone and turned into a spa with this wide open door zoning that is

[0:50:46] Voice 1: massively, you know, is demonstrably incorrect. Our concerns about it being turned into a luxury spa

[0:50:52] Voice 1: are already here i mean the trustees are allowing a commercial facility on f1 land and i don't care

[0:51:00] Voice 1: how many workarounds the planner comes up with that is the truth of the matter okay well thank

[0:51:05] Voice 1: you for

[0:51:05] Voice 18: i don't think that's a question that's your comment and uh i've heard it

[0:51:09] Voice 1: from a number

[0:51:09] Voice 18: of people so thank you for that well

[0:51:11] Voice 1: my question would be can the trustees answer how they feel

[0:51:15] Voice 1: about justifying that um you know having commercial visitor accommodation inside community

[0:51:21] Voice 1: community wellness well

[0:51:23] Voice 18: I think you're going to hear us talk about that um when we get to the

[0:51:28] Voice 18: actual application and staff recommendation at the time could

[0:51:31] Voice 1: you allow the trustees to answer

[0:51:33] Voice 1: the question you

[0:51:37] Voice 18: know you're what you're doing is is you're asking us to have a discussion about and

[0:51:41] Voice 18: explain their position before we actually get to the item that's on our agenda and that's not the

[0:51:47] Voice 18: purpose that's not the purpose of the town hall so all

[0:51:50] Voice 1: right thank you um it's really important

[0:51:52] Voice 1: that the next meeting be public please please do that thank you

[0:51:57] Voice 18: you you mean in person is that what

[0:51:59] Voice 18: you i

[0:51:59] Voice 1: do mean in person yes i

[0:52:01] Voice 18: mean this is entirely public well

[0:52:04] Voice 1: i've been kicked out of

[0:52:05] Voice 1: the meeting three times i missed entirely

[0:52:07] Voice 1: yeah what several people have said okay

[0:52:10] Voice 17: thank you um

[0:52:13] Voice 17: and

[0:52:13] Voice 18: uh i've got um mr moses i'm going to ask you to be brief as well because i'd like to move on

[0:52:21] Voice 18: to other items on our agenda there's also kio okuda i see

[0:52:26] Voice 18: kio yeah yeah

[0:52:27] Voice 12: that

[0:52:28] Voice 18: i mr moses is

[0:52:29] Voice 20: top

[0:52:29] Voice 18: of my list

[0:52:31] Voice 20: okay

[0:52:32] Voice 6: um can you hear me i don't mind i don't mind yielding the keel and coming

[0:52:43] Voice 6: back if that's your preference but please you're you're unmuted please go ahead okay um i've also

[0:52:50] Voice 6: uh in the after i sent the letter i reviewed uh you know i reviewed the record in the cim and the

[0:52:57] Voice 6: as Planner has his answer, but it just, you know,

[0:53:02] Voice 6: beyond me to understand how he could have been so fulsome

[0:53:05] Voice 6: about belonging under, and surely to goodness,

[0:53:08] Voice 6: he's examined these things over the last number of months.

[0:53:11] Voice 6: He didn't just come up with-

[0:53:12] Voice 6: I really want you not to personalize this.

[0:53:14] Voice 6: What's your point, sir?

[0:53:15] Voice 6: No, I'm not personalizing it.

[0:53:17] Voice 6: I'm just- You

[0:53:17] Voice 18: are totally personalizing it.

[0:53:19] Voice 6: I'm wondering why there was such a dramatic change

[0:53:23] Voice 6: in what he said at the CIM

[0:53:24] Voice 6: to what appears in the staff report.

[0:53:27] Voice 6: Mayor Mrakas, or anyways

[0:53:27] Voice 18: i'm going to

[0:53:27] Voice 6: move on i've also removed reviewed comments made by trustees the last time this application was before you and that's back in in April, and at the time.

[0:53:39] Voice 6: Mayor Mrakas, Chair Rogers quite correctly pointed out that this application does not conform to the official Community plan and does something not contemplated.

[0:53:51] Voice 6: in it.

[0:53:53] Voice 6: He asked whether the two elected trustees from Galliano wanted to proceed anyway.

[0:53:58] Voice 6: And Trustee Wolverton said that she thought that there was enough information that you could take

[0:54:05] Voice 6: it out to the public, to a CIM, and I guess the referral to the APC. Trustee Rockefeller gave a

[0:54:12] Voice 6: more kind of a more concerning uh uh reply and uh she cited the same uh erroneous information

[0:54:22] Voice 6: about the density uh residential density on crystal mountains lot um that the same erroneous

[0:54:30] Voice 6: information that was given to the public at the cim and the planner admitted it was wrong at the

[0:54:36] Voice 6: the time and but it hasn't been changed on the website anyway trustee rockefeller said if these

[0:54:43] Voice 6: applicants had to stop the procedure and decided to sell we now have a residential lot with 10 acres

[0:54:49] Voice 6: so potentially two houses and two cottages and all the outbuildings which is incorrect and you

[0:54:56] Voice 6: could rezone the forest lot for 75 25 and get two dwellings and two cottages and four septic fields

[0:55:02] Voice 6: for wells and so in a way you know residential lots are death by a thousand cuts to the forest

[0:55:09] Voice 6: whereas this is more of a comprehensive plan that we can really look at as a community so

[0:55:16] Voice 6: the problem with that is that uh you know quite apart from the unlikely prospect of a

[0:55:23] Voice 6: of a of a residential property owner uh developing separate septic fields for a house and a cottage

[0:55:29] Voice 6: and separate wells for house in the cottage uh the problem is the trustee is saying and i you know

[0:55:35] Voice 6: i've got a lot of anyway um yeah yeah can

[0:55:38] Voice 18: you wrap it up please and i'd like you not to personalize

[0:55:42] Voice 6: this you're doing it again i you know i i supported trustee rockefeller i don't care

[0:55:47] Voice 6: so

[0:55:48] Voice 17: i don't care move

[0:55:49] Voice 6: on anyway so i've got a lot of time and respect for the trustees

[0:55:52] Voice 6: but in this case the trustee is saying she does not respect the forest policies or ocp

[0:55:58] Voice 6: and think she knows a better way, involving multiple buildings spread throughout F1 land.

[0:56:04] Voice 6: And that's something not contemplated in our OCP.

[0:56:07] Voice 6: If anything, the death of a thousand cuts to the forest would come from approving this dangerous precedent.

[0:56:15] Voice 6: No, you should not be ignoring the forest policies of our OCP

[0:56:19] Voice 6: and allowing something not contemplated on F1 land based on an individual interpretation,

[0:56:25] Voice 6: Because that's what it is an individual interpretation of what's better for the forest. What you should be doing trustees is if you want to, you know, expand what's allowed under forest policies is to call a and organize a comprehensive review of our official community plan, which is what we do every day.

[0:56:47] Voice 18: Mr. Mosley, I've given you a lot of time today, so I really, we understand your point of view,

[0:56:53] Voice 18: we've read your point of view, we've heard your point of view. I'd ask you now, I'm going to

[0:56:59] Voice 18: end you now and move on to Mr. Kiyo and Mr. Okuda and Okuda, sorry. Okay, thank you very much.

[0:57:09] Voice 18: Can we unmute Kiyo Okuda? Thank you. Hello,

[0:57:22] Voice 20: can you hear me? I can. Yeah.

[0:57:24] Voice 3: yeah well uh first time at a zoom meeting uh not thrilling and uh anyway i'm here anyway

[0:57:33] Voice 3: my concerns are uh three one is precedent setting when it comes to density on a forest lot

[0:57:47] Voice 3: uh number two is is a suspicious designation that i would like to know how it would change

[0:57:57] Voice 3: should the owner sell downstream the what is what are the downstream consequences

[0:58:05] Voice 3: of a for-profit organization uh designated as a community facility without any real

[0:58:17] Voice 3: demonstrated community benefit and how is that precedent and what is the liability of that

[0:58:28] Voice 3: precedent for all the other four slots and it's a pretty big question but I

[0:58:35] Voice 3: would expect the planner might have some answer to these two rather specific

[0:58:40] Voice 3: questions was

[0:58:44] Voice 18: there a third question I want to just put

[0:58:46] Voice 3: well the transfer

[0:58:50] Voice 3: for ability the uh and and the uh number of um uh actual uh um buildings that are uh uh going to be

[0:59:09] Voice 3: allowed in this proposal well that

[0:59:12] Voice 18: is spelled out pretty clearly in the staff report you can look

[0:59:16] Voice 18: and see how many buildings there are if you're commenting on that that's too many okay fair

[0:59:20] Voice 18: Fair enough, but the information.

[0:59:21] Voice 3: Well, this is the thing that speaks to precedent.

[0:59:25] Voice 3: Oh, okay.

[0:59:26] Voice 3: That's fair.

[0:59:27] Voice 3: Yes, it is too many.

[0:59:29] Voice 3: And how is that, what is the impact of that?

[0:59:34] Voice 18: Okay.

[0:59:36] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:59:37] Voice 18: I think you'll, I think some of those questions will arise when we have our discussion about

[0:59:41] Voice 18: the staff report.

[0:59:42] Voice 18: So I appreciate your raising those.

[0:59:44] Voice 18: And certainly you're not alone in raising the issue about whether this is a precedent

[0:59:48] Voice 18: um and uh i mean keep in mind i'll just say one thing and i'm not saying we've approved it or

[0:59:55] Voice 18: what we've just we have because one of the the trustees haven't

[1:00:00] Voice 18: decided these things yet. We're going to get to that point. So it's incorrect for anybody to

[1:00:07] Voice 18: assert that we've decided to do X because we have a not. But one of the things with the proposal

[1:00:13] Voice 18: that's before us, of course, would have a specific bylaw that contains restrictions on what can be

[1:00:20] Voice 18: there and what can't. If you look at the wording of the bylaw, the buildings basically are locked

[1:00:26] Voice 18: and stone and there will be a section 219 covenant attached the terms of which have not been drafted

[1:00:31] Voice 18: yet um to deal with some of the environmental concerns and other things so uh any purchaser

[1:00:37] Voice 18: would be bound by that same zoning okay anyway thanks very much uh for all of those comments

[1:00:43] Voice 18: i'm sorry to hurry people along but we do have a uh mr kudo you've got your name hand up again i

[1:00:51] Voice 18: I, if you had, have you finished?

[1:00:53] Voice 18: Did you have a third question?

[1:00:59] Voice 18: You need to unmute yourself.

[1:01:01] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:01:05] Voice 3: Am I, can you hear me?

[1:01:07] Voice 19: Yes, I can.

[1:01:08] Voice 3: Okay, there was a specific issue

[1:01:10] Voice 3: that came up in your response.

[1:01:12] Voice 3: And it related to the number of buildings, of course.

[1:01:16] Voice 3: And the fact that this proposal is receiving

[1:01:21] Voice 3: a tremendous amount of unique and specific attention

[1:01:27] Voice 3: that is not transferable really to any other forest lot development unless you're going to

[1:01:34] Voice 3: do the same thing for every other forest lot development. So what about this proposal

[1:01:41] Voice 3: is smoothing the development process in terms of all the others who are complying and others who

[1:01:50] Voice 3: are not complying with the islands trust regulations so if this is precedent setting

[1:01:58] Voice 3: in one way it suggests that everybody is going to develop their own unique plan

[1:02:03] Voice 3: call it a community facility offer something that might justify it and then carry on with their own

[1:02:10] Voice 3: uh uh uh for-profit ambitions uh and and so that that that was my concern and uh an addendum in

[1:02:21] Voice 3: terms of questions thank you i think it it's

[1:02:23] Voice 18: um the staff report i think there's a a i can say

[1:02:28] Voice 18: this that the that the we've heard the argument or the concern that this would set a precedent

[1:02:34] Voice 18: and other people watching it and what we do here will make a difference and uh with others uh it's

[1:02:40] Voice 18: I think the staff report would say it doesn't set out a template for anyone else it's one-off

[1:02:44] Voice 18: consideration so it it is not I would agree with you on this point it is not intended at this stage

[1:02:52] Voice 18: to be well here's a new way forward for Forest Law um and uh but I know some people see it that way

[1:03:02] Voice 17: okay uh

[1:03:03] Voice 18: I hope that answers your question or your or I know it doesn't I know you've raised

[1:03:08] Voice 18: your concern and we'll be talking about it when we get to the staff report so we could i'm not sure

[1:03:13] Voice 18: um uh where we're at in terms of the uh uh the technology concerns that we've had i i dion i i

[1:03:23] Voice 18: still see colleen jennifer suzanne etc all in the in the panelists section um and i know if you move

[1:03:32] Voice 18: them lack they get so have we made any headway in solving any of that no

[1:03:37] Voice 16: because they should have

[1:03:39] Voice 16: only been allowed to talk and not promoted to panelists but there was confusion with the because

[1:03:44] Voice 16: now they're stuck as panelists for some reason the button is not there to unpromote them so i just

[1:03:49] Voice 16: have to ask them all respectfully to not speak unless they're spoken to okay

[1:03:53] Voice 18: well thank you uh

[1:03:54] Voice 18: that's unusual we've been doing this promoting over it must be a different technology maybe

[1:04:00] Voice 18: i've been wanting people to have the opportunity to turn their camera on if they wished

[1:04:04] Voice 18: uh but uh and that has worked up until today this is the first time we've had that challenge yeah it

[1:04:10] Voice 16: was glitching at the beginning of the meeting too i've been on the phone all the whole time with

[1:04:14] Voice 16: mark trying to get this okay

[1:04:15] Voice 18: thanks dion so now what i've so now we've got we're done with people

[1:04:19] Voice 18: that uh i wanted to speak to something that that relates to both uh i'm going to ask whether

[1:04:24] Voice 18: whether anybody has any questions or comments

[1:04:27] Voice 18: related to the Giggers application,

[1:04:31] Voice 18: because then I'll ask Trustee Wolverton

[1:04:32] Voice 18: to step aside for a moment.

[1:04:34] Voice 18: Does anybody, could you put your hand up?

[1:04:36] Voice 18: Yes, there is some folks.

[1:04:38] Voice 18: So, and can you step aside

[1:04:40] Voice 18: and I think Trustee Rockefeller will contact you

[1:04:44] Voice 18: or somebody will contact you

[1:04:45] Voice 18: when it's time for you to come back.

[1:04:46] Voice 18: And I see Carmita Meinhardt.

[1:04:50] Voice 18: So Ms. Meinhardt, you're now unmuted.

[1:04:53] Voice 18: We're not gonna promote you.

[1:04:54] Voice 18: i'm afraid i can't get you to turn your camera on so over to you uh please please please then

[1:05:00] Voice 18: go ahead we got

[1:05:02] Voice 18: your letter from a few days ago yes

[1:05:04] Voice 27: yes will you hear me first

[1:05:09] Voice 27: yes

[1:05:10] Voice 20: yes i can hear

[1:05:11] Voice 27: you okay okay good i want to comment on the letter from august 4th from the

[1:05:19] Voice 27: the South Hall Fire Chief, Scott Suchen.

[1:05:24] Voice 27: You have it in page 124 of your agenda.

[1:05:32] Voice 27: In the first sentence, he say that at the request

[1:05:37] Voice 27: of and in consultation with Brad Smith, he prepared this.

[1:05:44] Voice 27: So I have a short question to Brad Smith.

[1:05:46] Voice 27: I would like to know if he discussed with Mr. Sachin the precautionary principle, let

[1:05:56] Voice 27: him know, and the land use clause that save the need to protect life and property from

[1:06:06] Voice 27: the threat of fire.

[1:06:07] Voice 27: I just want to know if he discussed it with him.

[1:06:10] Voice 27: um

[1:06:14] Voice 18: i i think the i think the course i i thought i saw some correspondence but i can let planner

[1:06:21] Voice 18: smith answer that if you wish to okay did

[1:06:25] Voice 27: you hear my question planner uh

[1:06:28] Planner: i had a long conversation

[1:06:29] Planner: with mr sugden i've had a number of conversations with mr sugden he's aware of all the materials

[1:06:35] Planner: all the correspondence all the community concerns and issues and my guess is that he's reviewed all

[1:06:40] Planner: of that in framing his response back to it

[1:06:43] Voice 27: was not in the issues of the correspondence in the ocp

[1:06:50] Planner: like i said he has access to all the materials all the land use bylaws all the ocp all the letters

[1:06:57] Planner: you've written with concerns about the materials and uh and the policies of the ocp so i can't

[1:07:04] Planner: speak to mr sugden and his thought process as he crafted that letter but certainly i've had

[1:07:08] Planner: many conversations with Mr. Him and with the fire chief in discussing

[1:07:13] Voice 21: your concerns.

[1:07:17] Voice 15: Okay. Okay. Yeah.

[1:07:19] Voice 20: Thanks. Are you finished Carmina?

[1:07:30] Voice 18: I gather Carmina's gone or unmuted,

[1:07:35] Voice 18: so I assume she got her, that was her. Is there anybody else that wants to speak to this? I don't

[1:07:54] Voice 19: will get to you, Jennifer.

[1:08:03] Voice 18: Man, I don't know what's going on today. This has been such a smooth

[1:08:08] Voice 18: process until today. Maybe I'll let Jennifer unmute and speak to us and we'll come back and

[1:08:16] Voice 18: hopefully Carmita will join us again. Something's not working correctly, obviously. I mean, that's

[1:08:24] Voice 23: okay. Thank you. I'm sorry, this is difficult for everybody. Chair Rogers and Trustee Rockefeller,

[1:08:31] Voice 23: on July 29th I wrote to you as a follow-up to a request made at the March 1st LTC meeting

[1:08:38] Voice 23: by another Galliano property owner for information on costs and funding in other words a business

[1:08:44] Voice 23: plan for the proposed Giggers housing development when the request was made in that meeting

[1:08:51] Voice 23: Chair Rogers you asked why the LTC would need to know this so my follow-up letter to you was

[1:08:58] Voice 23: prompted by reading a staff report from some years ago written by the galliano planner of the day

[1:09:04] Voice 23: chris mickle nichols about another affordable housing development proposal on galliano in which

[1:09:09] Voice 23: the planner stated among other comments pertaining to this that a business plan submission is

[1:09:15] Voice 23: required you indicated you would be consulting with the regional planner about this and since

[1:09:21] Voice 23: then there have also been news reports of two affordable housing projects being cancelled

[1:09:27] Voice 23: after construction has been started due to funding problems.

[1:09:32] Voice 23: So I'm just wondering if you have had a chance

[1:09:35] Voice 23: to consult with the regional planner

[1:09:37] Voice 23: and will the LTC require as did Planner Nichols stated

[1:09:42] Voice 23: in 2013 that the applicant Giggers present

[1:09:46] Voice 23: a detailed business plan to the LTC and to the community

[1:09:50] Voice 23: before any additional time and resources are spent

[1:09:54] Voice 23: on this application.

[1:09:56] Voice 23: Thank you.

[1:09:57] Voice 23: I

[1:09:57] Voice 18: can answer part of that question as you as I have said repeatedly I can't speak on behalf of

[1:10:04] Voice 18: the LTC because we make decisions in as part of our LTC generally so I can't speak on behalf of

[1:10:14] Voice 18: the LTC I can I can I can say to you I did follow up on on your commentary and I went back and

[1:10:22] Voice 18: actually read all of the materials related to that earlier application and uh uh the you know

[1:10:29] Voice 18: and and i'll just say this uh it wasn't it was a quite a different type of an application in

[1:10:36] Voice 18: in the nature of the proposal that was being proposed because of the the uh the odd sort of

[1:10:45] Voice 18: strat of app nature of it that led to my understanding that led to that request for

[1:10:52] Voice 18: a detailed business plan because it was unknown to anyone how it could possibly work because it

[1:10:57] Voice 18: was such a new and novel experience having said that you've asked us the question and i guess

[1:11:04] Voice 18: as a as a local trust committee when we convene as a local trust committee and we consider and

[1:11:09] Voice 18: and Giggers is on our agenda, we, you know, either of us can, and can talk about whether

[1:11:15] Voice 18: that's something that we, we wish to do. Okay. Yes, I'll just,

[1:11:19] Voice 23: I'll just quickly add in my

[1:11:22] Voice 23: reading of that staff report, the, the emphasis on providing a business plan was not specifically

[1:11:29] Voice 23: related to, you know, in my reading, to the particular type of development that was being

[1:11:36] Voice 23: proposed there it seemed to be a very general kind of comment and there are some real unknowns and

[1:11:42] Voice 23: difficulties i would say in terms of this particular proposal as well that many of us

[1:11:49] Voice 23: in the neighborhood would like answers to and particularly since it involves land in trust

[1:11:56] Voice 23: that that came about from a rezoning of three four slots um you know a number of years ago

[1:12:04] Voice 23: And so I really think that it is very relevant to this particular proposal as well.

[1:12:12] Voice 18: Okay. Thanks for your commentary.

[1:12:14] Voice 23: Thank you very much.

[1:12:16] Voice 18: Carmita, your hand is back. I'm hoping you can stay with us. I'm not sure what happened.

[1:12:20] Voice 18: Did you have a follow-up question or follow-up commentary?

[1:12:24] Voice 18: Yes,

[1:12:25] Voice 27: yes. Do you hear me?

[1:12:27] Voice 18: Are

[1:12:28] Voice 27: you hearing me?

[1:12:29] Voice 27: Yes, okay.

[1:12:29] Voice 27: And let Scott say that the primary concern is the perceived risk to others.

[1:12:40] Voice 27: But the primary concern here is the safety of the future tenant.

[1:12:46] Voice 27: That's the primary concern.

[1:12:48] Voice 27: Because you are adding this project, not you, this project, is adding up to 48 people.

[1:12:54] Voice 27: almost 5% of what is the population of Galeano in the community forest.

[1:13:01] Voice 27: So this focus should be how safe they are there.

[1:13:07] Voice 27: Now, he speaks about that the highest risk of ignition will be from transient population.

[1:13:15] Voice 27: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's transient or if local.

[1:13:20] Voice 27: What is matter is what are the condition of fuel load in the wildfire in the community

[1:13:28] Voice 27: forest?

[1:13:30] Voice 27: I have here your internet connections in Stable.

[1:13:34] Voice 27: Now Scott based his reasoning in the community wildfire protection plan 2009.

[1:13:44] Voice 27: But after he said that this plan is currently undergoing a review, so he's basing it in

[1:13:54] Voice 27: what is an outdated document.

[1:13:57] Voice 27: Even if it's an outdated document, in that document it says that fire risk assessment

[1:14:06] Voice 27: report should be completed by a qualified forester as a requirement of the development

[1:14:14] Voice 27: application process. That is in page 37 on the community wildfire protection plan.

[1:14:25] Voice 27: A professional report stating the intent of the fuel management recommendation

[1:14:32] Voice 27: has been carried out should be part of the substantial completion approval process.

[1:14:38] Voice 27: And this is in that.

[1:14:41] Voice 27: And continue.

[1:14:43] Voice 18: Carmina, I can't give you this much time.

[1:14:47] Voice 18: And you're repeating what

[1:14:49] Voice 27: you said in your letter to us.

[1:14:50] Voice 27: You give it, Mr. Mohsen, much more time.

[1:14:54] Voice 27: No,

[1:14:54] Voice 20: you've taken almost about as much time as Mr. Mohsen.

[1:14:59] Voice 27: This is about the life of people.

[1:15:02] Voice 27: And finally, it says the Galliano Club and the Giga Group

[1:15:06] Voice 27: has considered the risk and benefits in the Galeano club must consider the management plans

[1:15:14] Voice 27: and the management plan is very clear by Keith Erickson where I say that the risk is a high risk

[1:15:23] Voice 27: on fire within the property and after say that they are symptomatic of high incentive wildfire

[1:15:30] Voice 27: conditions now Keith Anderson Keith no how is the name Keith Ericons knows very well you know

[1:15:37] Voice 27: that I obtain information this

[1:15:40] Voice 18: is all what was in your letter no

[1:15:42] Voice 27: this is not this is not this

[1:15:44] Voice 27: is new information I read today an alert newsletter from the North Carolina Fire Protection Society

[1:15:52] Voice 27: Society, March 2009. At that moment is when this wildfire protection plan was done. It

[1:16:02] Voice 27: said Davis Wildfire Management was hired to assist with the development of a CWPP for

[1:16:09] Voice 27: Galliano Island. The biggest contributor to the project in terms of donated time and resources

[1:16:16] Voice 27: sources was the Galliano Conservancy. They contribute GIS and MAPI data for Galliano,

[1:16:24] Voice 27: as well as their in-house capabilities in presenting and interpreting the data. Keith

[1:16:32] Voice 27: Harrison headed their team. You know, Keith Harrison has all the data. He knew very well.

[1:16:40] Voice 27: Well, this management plan, where he presents the higher risk, should have been taken into account by Scott Suchin.

[1:16:50] Voice 27: And is the Galliano Club saying that it's all right to present that size of risk to have people there?

[1:17:00] Voice 27: You know, in a profit development, people with more money will demand for this assessment, and if they don't give it, they will walk out.

[1:17:10] Voice 27: But people who have to do affordable housing, because they don't have the means, they will be there, have to accept what you say, even without having the correct information.

[1:17:23] Voice 27: And that's wrong.

[1:17:25] Voice 17: Thank you, Kermita.

[1:17:26] Voice 27: I'm going to ask you to please

[1:17:28] Voice 18: stop now.

[1:17:29] Voice 18: Thank you very much.

[1:17:30] Voice 27: I just stopped now.

[1:17:31] Voice 18: You've had a lot of time.

[1:17:33] Voice 18: And thank you for your comments.

[1:17:36] Voice 18: We're going to move on from this, though.

[1:17:38] Voice 18: and I don't see any more hands up to talk about Giggers so I'm going to now ask if anybody has

[1:17:43] Voice 18: any comments they want to make about the Galley application so I can bring Trustee Wolverton back

[1:17:50] Voice 18: and ask Trustee Rockefeller to leave. Okay I don't see any hands last chance Galley so can we get

[1:18:05] Voice 18: Jane back? I'm actually well I don't want to do that really I was gonna I wonder whether it would

[1:18:14] Voice 18: make sense for us to start the whole meeting again to see if we can resolve the technical glitches but

[1:18:19] Voice 18: i'm afraid that people may not be able to come back so

[1:18:22] Voice 12: um

[1:18:24] Voice 18: so uh thank you that's the town hall

[1:18:29] Voice 18: then um we're we are going to go back to the agenda and uh you're

[1:18:43] Voice 10: moot you're muted dan

[1:18:45] Voice 10: sorry

[1:18:46] Voice 18: about that uh we'll go back to the agenda uh we have a no cim we have no public hearing

[1:18:52] Voice 18: we have local trust committee minutes dated july 5th for adoption uh i'll ask the trustees if

[1:18:58] Voice 18: there's any comments or concerns regarding those minutes do either of you have anything

[1:19:04] Voice 18: arising from those minutes i have nothing trustee wolverton no yeah

[1:19:10] Voice 18: that's page 4 to 11 uh we then

[1:19:13] Voice 18: have the APC minutes for receipt for 8.3 and thank you to all the people that sit on the APC.

[1:19:28] Voice 18: I read those minutes and I was interested in what they had a discussion about and I know they're

[1:19:34] Voice 18: still working on the galley referral that we've done and we are the next matter is unless there's

[1:19:41] Voice 18: any questions from either the trustees arising out of those minutes to say nothing

[1:19:45] Voice 17: okay

[1:19:47] Voice 18: uh then

[1:19:48] Voice 18: the next item on the agenda is the follow-up action list which is 15 and um are there any

[1:19:56] Voice 18: issues arising out of the follow-up action list that any of the trustees which or anything that

[1:20:04] Voice 18: the staff wish to flag for uh trustees i'll start with you trust planner smith do you have anything

[1:20:11] Voice 18: you want to flag from us from the follow-up action list and

[1:20:15] Voice 21: nothing in particular okay

[1:20:17] Voice 18: uh

[1:20:19] Voice 18: questions from trustees for the planner in the follow-up action list seeing nothing

[1:20:26] Voice 18: yeah go ahead jane i

[1:20:28] Voice 10: just have one i noticed that the the uh the cim for galley is scheduled to be

[1:20:35] Voice 10: an in-person on October 2nd and I wondered if we're we

[1:20:43] Voice 21: should probably speak to that

[1:20:44] Voice 21: when we get to the application and with Miss with Trustee Rockefeller accused okay but yes

[1:20:52] Voice 21: I was going to raise that question okay yes

[1:20:58] Voice 18: apropos of my comments in my chair's report about

[1:21:01] Voice 18: where we're going to be at yeah I had that was the only question I had arising out of that as well

[1:21:09] Voice 18: So, and I know that is the plan and the plan was, I believe, October 4 is our next LTC meeting, travel and stay, etc. But we're in a different world, maybe in a different world.

[1:21:22] Voice 18: Okay, if there's nothing else from the follow up action list, I'm very pleased to welcome a delegation.

[1:21:28] Voice 18: I believe it's Bowie Kiefer and I'm not sure if his cohort is with us.

[1:21:37] Voice 18: Karen Harris, I see Karen is there as well.

[1:21:41] Voice 18: They asked for a delegation to make a presentation regarding the Galeano Ecoforest Association and

[1:21:48] Voice 18: we're happy to do that. We're going to have to promote them, which is going to cause us

[1:21:55] Voice 18: the difficulty of the fact that we may have to demote them and then they'll have to join again,

[1:22:04] Voice 18: but then they'll end up joining as panelists. It's odd. Anyway, we're going to have to promote

[1:22:09] Voice 18: vote Bowie Bowie and and Karen and I think at this stage as well we need to make it possible for

[1:22:17] Voice 18: them to have access to the to show their their presentation so how are we doing with all that

[1:22:29] Voice 18: Dion they're

[1:22:31] Voice 16: both promoted

[1:22:32] Voice 2: I'm here Chair Rogers I

[1:22:37] Voice 18: I can you I ask and would you like us can

[1:22:41] Voice 18: can we um and you have i know you have a pdf block or or a slide deck to show us correct

[1:22:50] Voice 18: yes

[1:22:50] Voice 2: so

[1:22:53] Voice 18: does um can we give him uh dion can we give uh bowie a ability to show his his slide deck

[1:23:03] Voice 18: he

[1:23:05] Voice 16: should be able to do that as a panelist right from his screen there's a

[1:23:08] Voice 16: nice bright green

[1:23:09] Voice 16: button that says share screen green

[1:23:11] Voice 2: button okay share screen yes

[1:23:14] Voice 16: now

[1:23:15] Voice 2: i let's see to do this i

[1:23:18] Voice 2: have to dredge up my file i guess yes

[1:23:21] Voice 18: were you expecting us to show it uh

[1:23:24] Voice 2: say again please

[1:23:26] Voice 18: were you expecting the the i thought

[1:23:29] Voice 2: you were going to show my slides for me and i would tell

[1:23:31] Voice 2: you which slide to uh

[1:23:33] Voice 18: um well it turns out that dion didn't have your slides i think we do but um

[1:23:41] Voice 18: brad

[1:23:41] Voice 16: might yeah you could email them to me real quick if you want and i can throw them up

[1:23:46] Voice 2: okay

[1:23:48] Voice 2: well while you're doing that i might get started how about that

[1:23:52] Voice 18: why don't you get started

[1:23:53] Voice 2: sure i can send them to

[1:23:55] Voice 2: dion uh to get started uh first of all i don't

[1:23:59] Voice 2: think Karen's here. She was available with an hour.

[1:24:04] Voice 1: I am here.

[1:24:04] Voice 2: Oh, Karen is here. Good.

[1:24:06] Voice 2: I am

[1:24:07] Voice 24: here for five

[1:24:08] Voice 2: more minutes. Great. So my first comment would be that back in the old days

[1:24:16] Voice 2: before the British Empire invented British Columbia, the Coast Salish peoples lived on an

[1:24:24] Voice 2: island covered with old growth forest which they respected, they tended the forest to the extent of

[1:24:31] Voice 2: of enhancing the Gary oak and Camas meadows and they could wander around through the forest on

[1:24:38] Voice 2: the trails everywhere without running into fences and no trespassing signs and what we're trying to

[1:24:45] Voice 2: do here is return as much as we can to those traditions of letting the forest grow back

[1:24:54] Voice 2: into an old growth condition and also the greatest possible public access. So that's what we're

[1:25:04] Voice 2: trying to do. And I'll say a little bit about our group. Maybe I'll let Karen,

[1:25:14] Voice 2: do you want to go into your bit that was talking about how we started?

[1:25:17] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:25:23] Voice 24: So there was an organization called the Galliano Island Forestry Association, and that was conceived in the early 2000s.

[1:25:31] Voice 24: And it was during the time when half of the island had been sold off by Mac and Blow, and we were transitioning from a

[1:25:41] Voice 24: a um a um sorry this has distracted me uh from a uh industrial uh model in which uh half the

[1:25:55] Voice 24: island was a tree farm that was managed by a multinational corporation and and uh transitioning

[1:26:01] Voice 24: to a private ownership of smaller smaller parcels and um we were uh trying to develop a model that

[1:26:11] Voice 24: that would benefit the island economically,

[1:26:12] Voice 24: but also restore some of the ecological values

[1:26:16] Voice 24: that had been degraded during the decades

[1:26:19] Voice 24: of industrial forestry.

[1:26:23] Voice 24: The makeup of the group GIFA included forest lot owners,

[1:26:28] Voice 24: as well as other interested parties.

[1:26:30] Voice 24: Unfortunately, the group dissolved in the mid 2000s

[1:26:33] Voice 24: without significantly filling its mandate.

[1:26:35] Voice 24: The tree farm has continued partially in private hands

[1:26:40] Voice 24: and partially comprising the community forest

[1:26:42] Voice 24: with varying levels of ecological restoration

[1:26:44] Voice 24: and management.

[1:26:46] Voice 24: GIFA, the Galliano Ecoforestry Association,

[1:26:50] Voice 24: wishes to continue in the spirit of GIFA,

[1:26:53] Voice 24: bringing in more diverse groups,

[1:26:55] Voice 24: including the fire departments and fire smart Galliano,

[1:26:59] Voice 24: and adding an important fire smart principles

[1:27:02] Voice 24: to our guidance.

[1:27:03] Voice 24: As Bowie had pointed out in the slides,

[1:27:07] Voice 24: slides but has not yet pointed out in the presentation global climate change has led

[1:27:13] Voice 24: to significant fire activity 2006 with um and with continued continued unintended growth of

[1:27:24] Voice 24: the tree farm the fuel load may be higher and the wildfire danger greater fire smart galliano has

[1:27:31] Voice 24: received this year funding to renew our cook road um district 87 demonstration forest and to start

[1:27:38] Voice 24: a new one at Galliano Community School. GAIFA hopes to provide assistance and expertise to

[1:27:43] Voice 24: these projects to the community forest and to private landowners who wish to extend the

[1:27:48] Voice 24: fire smart principles beyond their immediate environment of homes and into the surrounding

[1:27:53] Voice 24: forest.

[1:27:56] Voice 2: Thank you very much and now you you're controlling the slides aren't you so let's go

[1:28:04] Voice 2: to slide number two please. And this simply says that we are, let me go back to the British Empire,

[1:28:17] Voice 2: the British Empire created British Columbia and also invented steam engines and from that coal

[1:28:24] Voice 2: burning power plants and that started the industrial revolution and now we are again

[1:28:29] Voice 2: in revolutionary times because we have to turn the industrial revolution on its head and clean up our

[1:28:36] Voice 2: act because we're facing very serious and accelerating climate change, among whose symptoms

[1:28:44] Voice 2: are these severe droughts we've been getting, heat waves, severely destructive wildfires

[1:28:50] Voice 2: worldwide, resulting in loss of carbon sinks and worse climate change.

[1:28:56] Voice 2: And I'm personally a multidisciplinary researcher in the field of climate change mitigation,

[1:29:03] Voice 2: And I'm an advocate that Canada should be taking major action across the forest over the whole country to make the forest more stable against insects and wildfires.

[1:29:18] Voice 2: And for that we're going to need new strategies for which we need demonstration forests to test those strategies.

[1:29:28] Voice 2: And on Galliano, just as Canada, next slide, please.

[1:29:37] Voice 2: Just as we're falling short of matching our targets with our actual performance,

[1:29:47] Voice 2: likewise on Galliano, where we have the Islands Trust, the Conservancy,

[1:29:53] Voice 2: and the entire community very much advocates of the most responsible conservation.

[1:30:00] Voice 2: of nature. We in fact have a forest that's in pretty shabby condition quite extensively because

[1:30:08] Voice 2: as Karen called it a tree farm, it's no longer a tree farm, it's an abandoned industrial plantation

[1:30:15] Voice 2: with impoverished biodiversity and in many areas neglected stewardship. And we do have fire risk

[1:30:23] Voice 2: and the entire area, the entire island is an interface area from the point of view of fire risk

[1:30:30] Voice 2: and we do need to mobilize ambitious forest restoration and fuel management efforts

[1:30:36] Voice 2: with adequate resources. Next slide please. To understand our problems,

[1:30:45] Voice 2: it requires a bit of thinking. Up until the turn of the century, our main forest problem

[1:30:53] Voice 2: was the heavy industrial logging that had accelerated through the last decades of the

[1:30:58] Voice 2: 1900s and that fortunately came to an almost complete end as the loggers finished cutting

[1:31:05] Voice 2: and they sold out and they went away and we do have quite a radical change of ownership in the

[1:31:10] Voice 2: Galliano forest zone basically the owners share the community ethic of Galliano Islanders

[1:31:18] Voice 2: and and aspire to the land being forest park land privately owned or publicly owned

[1:31:26] Voice 2: there is a huge gap however in the amount of education that people have and how to look after

[1:31:32] Voice 2: the forest and so we have to mobilize expertise and funding to get our forests in in acceptable

[1:31:42] Voice 2: condition from the point of view of biodiversity and wildfire safety next slide please this is

[1:31:50] Voice 2: This actual, this bit of land is actually on District Lot 79, and this area was recently acquired by BC Parks as a result of a rezoning application, and this plantation is something like 30 years old.

[1:32:08] Voice 2: It has never been maintained, and if left alone, if it doesn't catch fire, it will slowly shake itself out and return to being a mature forest.

[1:32:17] Voice 2: but next slide please if you do some work you can accelerate that we're we're in the right

[1:32:25] Voice 2: the timing is perfect for taking action because the the coastal douglas fir forests are now a

[1:32:32] Voice 2: very high priority for the islands trust we've got right a tremendous concern about climate change

[1:32:37] Voice 2: and fire risks the conservancy has done excellent restoration projects several forest owners have

[1:32:45] Voice 2: have done some restoration work.

[1:32:47] Voice 2: And we've got the example of the,

[1:32:49] Voice 2: that Karen mentioned of the demonstration area

[1:32:52] Voice 2: in district lot 87.

[1:32:55] Voice 2: Next slide, please.

[1:32:58] Voice 2: And this shows how quickly things can change.

[1:33:00] Voice 2: On the left, you've got a portion of forest.

[1:33:03] Voice 2: And when the picture was taken, it was about 20,

[1:33:07] Voice 2: just over 20 years old.

[1:33:09] Voice 2: And you've got the same patch of forest an hour later.

[1:33:12] Voice 2: And what's happened is that the trees have been pruned and in a further past perhaps the trees would be thinned.

[1:33:21] Voice 2: But what we've got is reduction of fire risk and you can now see through the trees.

[1:33:25] Voice 2: And it's much more, the forest floor will become more green and next slide shows that.

[1:33:32] Voice 2: Here we've got an example where the forest was treated about 10 years previously and you can see how nice it is.

[1:33:41] Voice 2: and I would call this demonstration forest. It shows what can be done and what GEFA would like

[1:33:49] Voice 2: to do is mobilize a community program so the entire island, as much as possible, gets this

[1:33:58] Voice 2: kind of treatment where it needs it and becomes more beautiful, more biodiverse, less prone to fire

[1:34:05] Voice 2: and if you're going to have a demonstration forest it's its role is largely educational

[1:34:11] Voice 2: and to educate people you have to have them going through the woods so we need a trail network

[1:34:16] Voice 2: so all of this comes together with the aisle the ideal of the island being having a an island-wide

[1:34:22] Voice 2: trail network over both public and private lands and the forest being cared for next slide please

[1:34:30] Voice 2: and this is is Karen already touching this so we can skip very quickly over this one it's just that

[1:34:35] Voice 2: we did have GIFA and it was a good effort it didn't really fade away entirely because people

[1:34:43] Voice 2: kept going with the same projects but now we want to re-energize this and involve the entire

[1:34:50] Voice 2: community with very ambitious objectives next slide please our statement of purpose this is off

[1:34:59] Voice 2: our incorporation document so I'll read it. The Galliano Ecoforestry Association shall provide

[1:35:05] Voice 2: education and advice on environmentally sensitive forest management practices

[1:35:12] Voice 2: for conserving and restoring biodiversity of healthy forests, reducing risks of destructive

[1:35:18] Voice 2: wildfire, protecting natural carbon sinks and watersheds, and enhancing woodland aesthetics

[1:35:25] Voice 2: for recreational enjoyment. The association will provide leadership and volunteer energy

[1:35:33] Voice 2: for forest restoration initiatives on Cali and New Island and will be prepared upon request to

[1:35:39] Voice 2: enter agreements with local landowners regarding sustainable harvesting practices. And by

[1:35:47] Voice 2: agreements with local landowners, that could be a handshake, it could be a one-page memo,

[1:35:54] Voice 2: it could be formalized as a covenant but we want to get people mobilized to care

[1:36:00] Voice 2: for the woods and I did send these slides to the trustees just over a week

[1:36:05] Voice 2: ago and at the same time I sent the same slides out to a selection of forest

[1:36:09] Voice 2: owners on Galliano only a selection there's we have not yet reached out to

[1:36:14] Voice 2: the entire community or all the landowners but but in from that

[1:36:19] Voice 2: initial initial contact uh initial circulation of what we're thinking about we've had some very

[1:36:25] Voice 2: positive responses expressions of interest from owners representing at this point and it's a

[1:36:31] Voice 2: running tally uh 2 000 acres of galliano is on board with this and uh we're hearing from owners

[1:36:40] Voice 2: saying this sounds great, count me in, please tell me what to do.

[1:36:49] Voice 2: And of course what to do if you're a landowner with the resources is come up with some cash to

[1:36:54] Voice 2: hire local people to clean up the woods and we're going to be providing the guidance for some of

[1:37:01] Voice 2: that to happen very soon. Next slide please. As I said we've been reaching out and we're finding

[1:37:11] Voice 2: that the enthusiasm is contagious and a week ago we were at the stage, I said it's around 2,000

[1:37:20] Voice 2: acres now, a week ago it was 500 acres and that was the half dozen large forest lots between

[1:37:26] Voice 2: Dinesio Point and Bodega Ridge parks. The owners there have been cloud birding for quite a while

[1:37:33] Voice 2: and we're determined to create a North Galeano demonstration forest which is now happening.

[1:37:41] Voice 2: the next slide please and this slide shows in green the parks and conservation areas on the

[1:37:50] Voice 2: north half of Galeano the existing parks and conservation areas and it shows and of course

[1:37:56] Voice 2: those are north of Bodega Ridge you've got a gap and then you've got the ecological reserve and the

[1:38:02] Voice 2: parkland on district lot 79 then you've got district lot 87 in green and just below Thera

[1:38:10] Voice 2: and above Thera you have Dionisio Point Park and we have our demonstration forest thus far

[1:38:18] Voice 2: committed in that area connects those pieces of parkland together and it includes

[1:38:25] Voice 2: the Smith Romagnolo property, Brett Finley's forest lot, Steve Garrett's forest lot,

[1:38:35] Voice 2: lot Anna and my property and also the the forest lot just below Dionysio which is owned by

[1:38:42] Voice 2: Corinne Matheson and Wayne Bairstow and all of these people are very keen on the project and

[1:38:50] Voice 2: the work is underway the next slide please

[1:38:53] Voice 18: yeah and Mr. Kiefer could I ask you to sort of

[1:38:57] Voice 18: go to the end I've

[1:38:58] Voice 2: given you a little extra

[1:38:59] Voice 18: time because we had technical problems

[1:39:00] Voice 2: I'm sorry about

[1:39:01] Voice 2: this yes okay very quick um uh we're working with bc parks uh where where uh we have volunteers out

[1:39:12] Voice 2: working on some of the lands we're going to be creating small patches of demonstration

[1:39:17] Voice 2: forest around the island uh to get this to get the entire island mobilized in this direction

[1:39:25] Voice 2: and i think we're almost done with this next slide please collaborations fire departments

[1:39:31] Voice 2: Conservancy, Galliano Club, Trail Society, the Islands Trust Conservancy, BC Parks, etc.

[1:39:38] Voice 2: Next slide, please. Commitments. People are getting committed. Next slide, please.

[1:39:46] Voice 2: Benefits. Benefits for landowners. Their forest land becomes much more attractive and significantly

[1:39:52] Voice 2: more valuable. Benefits for local residents. Wildfire hazards are lowered. Our forest lands

[1:39:59] Voice 2: become more beautiful and more accessible. Jobs are created right now for young people

[1:40:04] Voice 2: and community spirit is enhanced. Benefits for all British Columbians visiting Galliano,

[1:40:10] Voice 2: recreational, educational and inspirational. Benefits for the Islands Trust in addressing

[1:40:17] Voice 2: in Coastal Douglas for Forest Protection. This initiative supports the trust object

[1:40:22] Voice 2: to preserve and protect in cooperation with everybody for benefit of local residents and

[1:40:28] Voice 2: and all British Columbians.

[1:40:29] Voice 2: Thank you very much.

[1:40:32] Voice 18: Very, very sorry to rush you.

[1:40:34] Voice 18: This is-

[1:40:35] Voice 18: That's fine, I think

[1:40:36] Voice 2: I got everything said.

[1:40:37] Voice 18: Thank you very much to you

[1:40:39] Voice 18: and Ms. Harris for your presentation.

[1:40:40] Voice 18: Just before we leave, quickly,

[1:40:42] Voice 18: do either of the trustees have any questions

[1:40:43] Voice 18: for Mr. Keefer?

[1:40:46] Voice 18: Yeah, go ahead, Trustee Wolff.

[1:40:48] Voice 10: No questions, but just a comment.

[1:40:50] Voice 10: I'm really pleased to see this initiative

[1:40:53] Voice 10: and I think it holds a lot of promise.

[1:40:58] Voice 2: Thank you, Jane.

[1:41:00] Voice 18: Okay, and thank you for bringing this to us and thank you for your work on the forests and and and on this initiative and we will look forward to whatever collaboration, we might be able to have with you in the future.

[1:41:12] Voice 18: So thanks very much. Thank you.

[1:41:14] Voice 2: um

[1:41:16] Voice 18: i see i see um uh planner testamale has turned his camera on i know we have a break scheduled

[1:41:25] Voice 18: here but perhaps uh trustees do you want what's your desire do you want to do that application

[1:41:30] Voice 18: then take your break or do you want to uh yes i'm seeing nods so uh with that uh uh we'll uh

[1:41:38] Voice 18: go to 12 plus 13.5 on the agenda so it's 125 in the agenda package which is or lidsky coming back

[1:41:47] Voice 18: um to the local trust committee with a follow-up report on a development permit application

[1:41:53] Voice 18: uh over to you planner testimony

[1:41:56] Voice 26: thanks chair rogers so as you said this is a follow-up report

[1:42:00] Voice 26: for 743 georgetown bay road which is the woodstone manor and the purpose of the report is to provide

[1:42:06] Voice 26: the information requested by the local trust committee and to consider a revised development

[1:42:11] Voice 26: permit application so that application is for measures to retroactively authorize land

[1:42:18] Voice 26: alteration tree removal and the construction of a building which is a shed and a pond

[1:42:22] Voice 26: that occurred within the development permit areas one three and five and it also authorizes

[1:42:32] Voice 26: is uh remediation for the unpermitted activities with restoration works within the same dpas

[1:42:39] Voice 26: um as i said the proposal is to permit land alteration that proceeded without requiring

[1:42:45] Voice 26: any permits and that activity was itemized in the staff report from july 5th when we last reported

[1:42:53] Voice 26: and in brief it included the clearing of a landing area construction of a berm construction of a

[1:43:00] Voice 26: roadway construction of a small ditch construction of a pond and construction of a shed and then

[1:43:05] Voice 26: there was also the property owner felled approximately 150 trees the majority of

[1:43:12] Voice 26: which were windfall so just to report since July 5th the following activity has occurred

[1:43:20] Voice 26: on this application at that July 5th meeting the LTC passed a resolution requesting the applicant

[1:43:26] Voice 26: can submit to the islands trust an addendum to the original environmental assessment that looks

[1:43:33] Voice 26: at the impacts of removing the road and recommendations for mitigation within the

[1:43:38] Voice 26: development permit area one so that's a 110 meter long stretch of the roadway that was constructed

[1:43:45] Voice 26: within dpa1 a memo was provided by the qep or the qualified environmental professional which is

[1:43:55] Voice 26: is Oliver Busby who's a registered professional biologist and the author of the first biologist

[1:44:01] Voice 26: report and actually Oliver is attending today as a representative of the applicant and is available

[1:44:11] Voice 26: for questions sorry that addendum sorry that the memo is an addendum to the original report

[1:44:19] Voice 26: report and lastly staff has drafted a revised EP and that was shown in as attachment three and

[1:44:27] Voice 26: it's in black line format for comparison to the original so just quickly the memo provides an

[1:44:35] Voice 26: impacts assessment for the decommissioning of the roadway and looks at mitigative measures for those

[1:44:40] Voice 26: works and then gives us adjust or gives adjusted cost estimates the assessment looked at the two

[1:44:47] Voice 26: or two separate scenarios one would be to maintain the roadway and then the other would be to remove

[1:44:53] Voice 26: the roadway and just the summary conclusion from the first page of the memo is I'll just

[1:45:00] Voice 26: briefly read it that the impact of removing or decommissioning the road is primarily the risks

[1:45:05] Voice 26: that can result while decommissioning work is being conducted that is primarily a risk of

[1:45:12] Voice 26: sediment release or deleterious substance spills entering the wetland

[1:45:15] Voice 26: However, if best management practices are followed the risks would be considered or are considered low.

[1:45:22] Voice 26: Further, it states that while no development is always the best course of action or better for the habitat and the decommissioning of the road would increase,

[1:45:33] Voice 26: sorry, the decommissioning of the road would also increase the riparian habitat.

[1:45:37] Voice 26: habitat it is assessment or sorry the biologist's assessment um that the road uh sorry this is a bit

[1:45:46] Voice 26: confused this statement but um assessment of the wetland concludes that the road is outside of the

[1:45:50] Voice 26: wetland 30 meter buffer and therefore does not pose any major risk to wetland form or function

[1:45:56] Voice 26: um so that's why the staff report also makes note that decommissioning the roadway and putting in

[1:46:04] Voice 26: recommended barrier fencing at the ends of those roadways if that's accepted would increase and

[1:46:11] Voice 26: enhance habitat and additionally limit access and vehicle vehicular circulation through the dpa

[1:46:19] Voice 26: further protecting the riparian habitat and to the benefit of the natural environment

[1:46:24] Voice 26: all of the recommendations of the memo and the revised cost estimates have been incorporated

[1:46:30] Voice 26: into the revised DP.

[1:46:32] Voice 26: So staff's recommendation are that the Galeano Island

[1:46:36] Voice 26: Local Trust Committee amend development permit GLDP 2021.1

[1:46:43] Voice 26: or LISC as specified in attachment three

[1:46:46] Voice 26: to this staff report dated September 7th.

[1:46:50] Voice 26: And then secondly, that the Galeano,

[1:46:53] Voice 26: the LTC approve issuance of the permit as amended.

[1:46:57] Voice 26: And the rationale for the recommendations

[1:46:59] Voice 26: The recommendations are that the restoration work meets the objectives and specific guidelines of the DPA, all the relevant recommendations of the original biologist assessment report and addendum, and other conditions that are consistent with the DPA objectives

[1:47:14] Voice 26: and guidelines have been incorporated into the DP.

[1:47:19] Voice 26: further the decommissioning of the roadway has limited risk that can be managed and will also

[1:47:25] Voice 26: serve to increase habitat sorry and increase and enhance habitat as well as further limit

[1:47:32] Voice 26: vehicular circulation through the dpa and lastly that the conditions in the dp will facilitate the

[1:47:41] Voice 26: repair of damage to the riparian wetland ecosystem by implementing the restoration plan and thereby

[1:47:47] Voice 26: by ensuring the future protection and health of the ecosystem there are alternative resolutions

[1:47:54] Voice 26: on the last page and that's the summary of my report uh you're muted yeah

[1:48:04] Voice 18: no i'm fine i got it

[1:48:06] Voice 18: um okay thanks um trustees questions for the for the planner no questions for the planner yes

[1:48:16] Voice 18: trustee wolverton

[1:48:17] Voice 10: so this um going ahead would result in the road being decommissioned

[1:48:24] Voice 10: Because it was offer it was both plans were posed that

[1:48:28] Voice 26: that's correct yeah so the the amended DP, which is attachment three would have that decommissioned yeah okay.

[1:48:40] Voice 18: At this stage, I usually ask whether anybody from the applicant wishes to and I I don't know who that would be.

[1:48:47] Voice 18: so

[1:48:48] Voice 26: yeah oliver busby i don't um

[1:48:51] Voice 26: i'm not sure how he would show up because he was not invited as

[1:48:55] Voice 26: to be a panelist so uh he would be in the audience i would suppose so there's one

[1:49:02] Voice 10: phone number there

[1:49:04] Voice 10: yeah

[1:49:04] Voice 26: it's if it went and is it

[1:49:06] Voice 18: star six to put your hand up if your phone it's

[1:49:11] Voice 26: probably a 604

[1:49:13] Voice 26: 943 number is that correct or no 604 219 that's the one that's one sorry that's his mobile yeah

[1:49:19] Voice 26: so that's all of her okay

[1:49:21] Voice 18: so could you unmute uh yeah you'll be able to unmute yourself and i think

[1:49:25] Voice 18: that's star nine although i i'm looking for some help here

[1:49:31] Voice 15: is that

[1:49:32] Voice 15: right can you hear me

[1:49:33] Voice 18: yes i can

[1:49:35] Voice 18: is there anything you wish to add to the staff report uh mr mr no

[1:49:38] Voice 7: everything was exactly as

[1:49:41] Voice 7: is reported,

[1:49:41] Voice 2: and whichever course we're deciding to choose,

[1:49:45] Voice 2: I know the client just wants

[1:49:48] Voice 18: to get this resolved

[1:49:49] Voice 18: and move past it.

[1:49:50] Voice 18: Okay.

[1:49:51] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:49:52] Voice 18: I'll just see if any of the trustees have any questions

[1:49:55] Voice 18: for the, nothing from Trustee Rockefeller, nothing.

[1:50:00] Voice 18: Thank you for joining us.

[1:50:01] Voice 18: I just wanted to make sure in case you had any comments

[1:50:03] Voice 18: to make, you can mute yourself again or Dion can mute you.

[1:50:08] Voice 18: Thank you very much.

[1:50:09] Voice 18: So trustees, what do you wish to do?

[1:50:11] Voice 18: is there someone wants to make a motion

[1:50:13] Voice 8: oh um yeah i'm happy to make a motion okay um

[1:50:20] Voice 8: i move that the

[1:50:21] Voice 8: galliano local island trust committee amend development permit gldp 2021.1 orlitzky as

[1:50:27] Voice 8: specified in attachment three to the staff report dated september 7th 2021.

[1:50:32] Voice 18: was there a seconder for

[1:50:33] Voice 18: that motion okay do you wish to speak do either of you wish to speak to the motion um

[1:50:38] Voice 8: i just want to

[1:50:39] Voice 8: I think the planner and the applicant and the QAP for putting the work into determining what

[1:50:43] Voice 8: was necessary to fix the area yeah I would

[1:50:47] Voice 10: agree okay

[1:50:48] Voice 18: okay uh I and I have no comments on this so

[1:50:51] Voice 18: I'll call if nobody else any comments I'll call the question all in favor of the motion and that

[1:50:57] Voice 18: passes unanimously there is there a second motion there I

[1:51:01] Voice 10: can make the second motion go

[1:51:03] Voice 18: ahead that

[1:51:04] Voice 10: that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[1:51:06] Voice 10: approve the issuance of Development Permit GLDP 2021.1

[1:51:11] Voice 10: Orlitsky as amended.

[1:51:13] Voice 18: Is there a seconder for that motion?

[1:51:14] Voice 18: Seconded by Trustee Rockefeller.

[1:51:16] Voice 18: Any further discussion?

[1:51:18] Voice 18: If not, I'll call the vote.

[1:51:20] Voice 18: All in favor?

[1:51:21] Voice 18: That passes unanimously.

[1:51:22] Voice 18: Thank you very much.

[1:51:23] Voice 18: I think that is the end of this matter

[1:51:26] Voice 18: unless someone else has any something else.

[1:51:28] Voice 18: And thank you Clare Pothnell for sticking around

[1:51:31] Voice 18: and your report and your work on this.

[1:51:34] Voice 18: So with that takes care of item 13.5.

[1:51:38] Voice 18: We have been going now for close to two hours.

[1:51:44] Voice 18: So I'm gonna suggest a 10 minute break.

[1:51:46] Voice 18: Is that long enough or do people want more?

[1:51:49] Voice 18: Okay, so we'll come back at 233 or 234.

[1:51:58] Voice 18: So we'll just stand down and come back

[1:52:00] Voice 18: and we'll start with 12.1 Crystal Mountain.

[1:52:03] Voice 18: Thank you very much.

[2:03:45] Voice 18: we're back thank you uh to all the attendees that um are still with us and i noticed we

[2:03:54] Voice 18: have two of our attendees still with us as panelists um three actually um so uh if i

[2:04:00] Voice 18: could make ask you uh please to make sure you keep yourself muted and your camera off as we

[2:04:05] Voice 18: work through our our business unless and until uh it's your turn to speak um so the next item

[2:04:14] Voice 18: on our agenda is item 13.1 which is the subject of a fair amount of comment in the town hall and

[2:04:21] Voice 18: we've received a fair number of letters related uh to it which is the crystal mountain application

[2:04:28] Voice 18: uh there is a staff report that uh that starts at um sorry uh it starts at page uh 20 of the agenda

[2:04:41] Voice 18: agenda package. There's also other material that's on the on the web page of previous staff reports

[2:04:50] Voice 18: going back some number of years and substantial correspondence. I won't say that I've read

[2:04:57] Voice 18: everything again leading up to today but I've read a lot of it and just spent a fair amount of time

[2:05:04] Voice 18: and I just want to say before we start I trust these in my view we need to sort of be careful

[2:05:10] Voice 18: and walk our way through this as with what we need to do.

[2:05:14] Voice 18: So over to you, Planner Smith.

[2:05:24] Voice 20: And actually, before you start,

[2:05:28] Voice 20: can I just see the hands?

[2:05:29] Voice 20: Who's representing the applicant here?

[2:05:36] Planner: Keith Erickson should be here.

[2:05:37] Planner: And Janice, perhaps.

[2:05:40] Voice 18: I see Keith.

[2:05:41] Voice 18: Keith, could we promote Keith, please?

[2:05:44] Voice 18: I won't ask you to turn your camera on yet,

[2:05:47] Voice 18: but is there anybody else that is here to represent the applicant?

[2:05:58] Voice 10: Elizabeth McClellan, probably.

[2:06:01] Voice 18: Yes, I see her hand up now, and we could promote Elizabeth as well.

[2:06:07] Voice 18: And again, I would ask you both not to turn your mic,

[2:06:10] Voice 18: unmute yourself or turn your cameras on just yet.

[2:06:13] Voice 18: We'll come back to you once we're ready to talk to the applicant.

[2:06:18] Voice 18: uh so over to um over to you planner smith to start us off thank

[2:06:26] Planner: you chair rogers so staff

[2:06:28] Planner: report for crystal mountain uh bringing recommendations for local trust committee

[2:06:33] Planner: to consider first reading of the uh bylaws 256 and 257 and uh and proposing uh the scheduling

[2:06:42] Planner: of a public hearing for the bylaws as required

[2:06:51] Planner: under statutory requirements.

[2:06:53] Planner: And prior to that,

[2:06:56] Planner: recommending that the Crystal Mountain deal

[2:06:59] Planner: with their emergency easement access route with the CRD

[2:07:04] Planner: and that we work with the applicant on the drafting

[2:07:08] Planner: of the associated covenant conditions under section 219

[2:07:12] Planner: prior to moving forward with the public hearing so I won't spend a ton of time on the staff report

[2:07:19] Planner: I'm sure you have a lot of questions and as you know this is an application that has been going

[2:07:26] Planner: on for a long time in my view it's been back and forth with the community and the applicant

[2:07:33] Planner: and the local trust community for a long time and at this point the unknowns are largely

[2:07:40] Planner: uh known in terms of what is being proposed and the and the limits of what the uh crystal

[2:07:48] Planner: mountain are willing to uh move with respect to uh the various conditions of land transfer

[2:07:55] Planner: and changes in density and um and the various uh professional reports and studies that have been

[2:08:03] Planner: been done to uh support that work and um at this point after 14 15 years even longer than that it's

[2:08:16] Planner: uh this would be the first time that these uh bylaws have been given uh a reading and so uh I

[2:08:23] Planner: think we're at that point with the application um so the the staff report does reflect uh starting

[2:08:31] Planner: off with a change in density that was proposed at the CIM reducing the overall density to 22

[2:08:40] Planner: program participants or retreat users with 17 cabins or huts sleeping huts as they're defined

[2:08:48] Planner: in the bylaw and five tent platforms which are also defined in the in the bylaw and so a new

[2:08:57] Planner: uh framing of the uh structures are provided there and uh bylaws are amended to uh reflect

[2:09:09] Planner: those changed uh site configurations and uh footprint so one question we have for keith

[2:09:17] Planner: perhaps when we get there chair rogers your question around in this table on page 23 it

[2:09:23] Planner: doesn't include a septic field for the upper ridge and perhaps that should be included that's a minor

[2:09:31] Planner: point we can get to so the site that the plan that they have provided is updated to

[2:09:38] Planner: consider those changes as well and that site plan would something like that would be finalized

[2:09:45] Planner: ultimately and included as a schedule in a covenant that would, and the zone, the areas

[2:09:58] Planner: themselves would be reflected in the bylaw, given the unique layout and site specific zoning of

[2:10:06] Planner: them. So they would be a schedule as well, but just the outline. So it's been a lot of question

[2:10:13] Planner: around community facility versus economic activity.

[2:10:17] Planner: I think I already responded to Mr. Moses in town hall

[2:10:21] Planner: with respect to my view of community facility

[2:10:25] Planner: versus economic activity

[2:10:27] Planner: and how that question was raised at the CIM.

[2:10:30] Planner: And now that having had an opportunity

[2:10:33] Planner: to better analyze those questions and those concerns

[2:10:37] Planner: around whether it fits under community facilities or not,

[2:10:41] Planner: and now better understanding that is its own sub heading category uh under the ocp

[2:10:49] Planner: as i described and so there's no direct conflict with the ocp as it's currently framed and there's

[2:11:00] Planner: you know you can really debate either way uh whether it's better as an economic activity

[2:11:05] Planner: versus a community facility from staff's perspective

[2:11:09] Planner: as laid out in the staff report.

[2:11:12] Planner: That's a staff's view that a community facility

[2:11:15] Planner: or a sub-designation or I don't know how you would frame it,

[2:11:22] Planner: fitting under the community facilities

[2:11:23] Planner: and utilities header section in the OCP

[2:11:27] Planner: is an appropriate place for it.

[2:11:30] Planner: and uh but uh really um ltc could decide otherwise as i've as i've described so

[2:11:39] Planner: um that's that piece and ltc is welcome to ask any questions of that or share their views of course

[2:11:48] Planner: um with respect to the spiritual education policy uh staff have recommended that this policy be

[2:11:56] Planner: be added there is some legal advice that perhaps steers away from using any reference to the term

[2:12:04] Planner: non-profit however I would point out that there are other instances in the OCP and the land use

[2:12:11] Planner: bylaw where non-profit is referenced in particular in the environmental education zoning where they

[2:12:19] Planner: describe under uses a permitted use being a public or non-profit school so that's interesting to me

[2:12:28] Planner: that it's a bit contrary to the advice of of what's occurred previously on crystal mountain

[2:12:34] Planner: where previous legal advice that has been shared in in staff reports in the past concluded that

[2:12:41] Planner: the reference to non-profit is potentially at risk and perhaps it is for that bylaw as well.

[2:12:52] Planner: I don't have enough familiarity with that application to speak to that. So LTC could

[2:12:58] Planner: turn their mind to leaving this or removing it altogether or they could direct staff to

[2:13:03] Planner: do I guess more seek more legal advice on whether a policy like this would be appropriate.

[2:13:11] Planner: from a staff perspective it's suggested as a as perhaps another way to provide

[2:13:16] Planner: more security for the community and LTC that

[2:13:21] Voice 21: it you

[2:13:23] Planner: know at least future activities that would

[2:13:27] Planner: be proposed under this category should be in at a not-for-profit use so we can discuss that

[2:13:37] Planner: minor amendment here as well an ocp amendment to change the word residents to retreat users

[2:13:43] Planner: to better distinguish between what could be some a resident under say a residential tenancy act

[2:13:51] Planner: scenario versus this land use where would you be a program participant or a retreat user as

[2:13:59] Planner: as it's described in the by-law.

[2:14:03] Planner: So with respect to moving on to by-law 257,

[2:14:08] Planner: there was question of whether single occupancy limits

[2:14:13] Planner: can be applied.

[2:14:15] Planner: And so staff conclude that this land use

[2:14:19] Planner: is different than a residential tenancy and use,

[2:14:22] Planner: and it would be appropriate for by-laws to,

[2:14:26] Planner: or they should be enforceable.

[2:14:30] Planner: And there's maximum stay built in for that.

[2:14:35] Planner: So I do propose an amendment to just further clarify the 22 maximum with 17 and 5.

[2:14:46] Planner: And this does follow the example of the Millard Centre.

[2:14:50] Planner: So there is an example there.

[2:14:52] Planner: and then just a reframing of the permitted density section

[2:14:56] Planner: to be just a little bit more well-structured

[2:15:02] Planner: and to include that additional clause.

[2:15:07] Planner: And so questions around potential on-day use,

[2:15:10] Planner: the staff don't recommend that LTC consider restrictions

[2:15:15] Planner: on-day use, there's really no other properties

[2:15:17] Planner: are governed in that way

[2:15:21] Planner: and it'd be difficult to administer.

[2:15:23] Planner: uh ltc could direct staff to seek uh uh more advice or legal opinion on on whether day use

[2:15:30] Planner: would be of first ballot and whether it would be enforceable um the the review the trust policy

[2:15:38] Planner: statement uh uh has been completed and generally uh it's deemed to be not contrary to the policies

[2:15:45] Planner: of the trust policy statement and some rationales provided there in the staff report the trust

[2:15:51] Planner: Trust Conservancy conditions on land transfer

[2:15:56] Planner: at the May 25th, 2021 meeting ITC,

[2:16:02] Planner: the Island Trust Conservancy Board met

[2:16:04] Planner: and passed these new conditions,

[2:16:07] Planner: which more or less agreed to receive the lands

[2:16:10] Planner: upon condition of transfer

[2:16:13] Planner: and Crystal Mountain and ITC are working

[2:16:17] Planner: to address a number of those conditions.

[2:16:20] Planner: i think that they're all achievable and so uh the subdivision with hook lot configuration the

[2:16:26] Planner: applicant has done more work with the with their surveyor and with the land title office uh with

[2:16:32] Planner: respect to that upper hook lot and have confirmed that the easement road would be legal uh in this

[2:16:40] Planner: hook lot parcel with their primary access uh being the road frontage on davina and so they've

[2:16:47] Planner: proposed uh this is uh now a boundary adjustment for the pagoda they've proposed

[2:16:54] Planner: a an actual amendment to the map here shifting this land for this land and protecting

[2:17:03] Planner: uh a small component of ecological sensitive land in exchange for that pagoda land

[2:17:11] Planner: and one of the islands trusts conservancy conditions brad

[2:17:16] Voice 18: if you think that you're not

[2:17:17] Voice 18: not sharing your screen I don't know if you were intent when you said this land for this land

[2:17:20] Voice 18: sorry

[2:17:21] Planner: I guess

[2:17:23] Planner: you're looking at your staff report so I

[2:17:25] Voice 18: am looking at my staff yeah

[2:17:26] Planner: I'm speaking to

[2:17:27] Planner: you I guess and what page

[2:17:29] Planner: are you on I'm on page 29 sorry chair Rogers that's

[2:17:33] Voice 18: okay I just thought

[2:17:33] Voice 18: you were trying to point something yep right

[2:17:36] Voice 18: so

[2:17:37] Planner: uh the red and the orange quadrants there

[2:17:41] Planner: get exchanged and as you can see there's a portion of sensitive habitat that would be transferred so

[2:17:49] Planner: I think there's net benefit to both the community and the Crystal Mountain Society. Water management

[2:17:57] Planner: plan has just been submitted a latest version staff have provided comments on a couple recent

[2:18:04] Planner: or a couple later or previous versions and we haven't had a chance to review this version but

[2:18:11] Planner: and we will provide that to ltc at an upcoming meeting with any comments or revisions that

[2:18:19] Planner: are made and but what i would say is largely that water management plan has held has now has all the

[2:18:26] Planner: components with our comments back to them that we're seeking and we're more or less fine-tuning

[2:18:31] Planner: with our comments in terms of what we're providing back to them and building our expertise in water

[2:18:37] Planner: management planning of course as we go um so uh and then with respect to the water license uh

[2:18:46] Planner: you can see there there's uh it's uh an existing use versus a new use and it will be some time

[2:18:52] Planner: before they get uh water license approval is really the ultimate end of the road there

[2:18:59] Planner: um one thing i did want to uh well yeah i'll leave it uh i'll leave it there for now

[2:19:06] Planner: I think and just speak then to the referrals the only mode Modi has no

[2:19:16] Planner: objections to the rezoning so their road layout plan seems appropriate to Modi

[2:19:20] Planner: and then there's just positive feedback from the trail society and the APC

[2:19:29] Planner: referral is generally positive with respect to the application there's some

[2:19:34] Planner: some general conclusions and recommendations provided there.

[2:19:38] Planner: One point I would make is that the APC report

[2:19:40] Planner: has the higher number of densities

[2:19:43] Planner: than what was first proposed,

[2:19:47] Planner: but they certainly understood

[2:19:49] Planner: that a lower density was being proposed

[2:19:51] Planner: and I didn't seek an amendment

[2:19:53] Planner: or for them to reconsider that as largely

[2:19:57] Planner: the recommendations weren't generally with concerns

[2:20:02] Planner: about even that higher density so that's my report chair Rogers there's

[2:20:12] Planner: alternative options there and probably lots of things for LTC to consider thank

[2:20:19] Planner: you okay

[2:20:23] Voice 18: before I turn to the applicant for comments I'll ask see if the

[2:20:28] Voice 18: trustees have questions for the planner trustee Wolverton yeah this

[2:20:36] Voice 10: may be more

[2:20:36] Voice 10: of a question for the applicants but i understood in um that there was consideration by crystal

[2:20:43] Voice 10: mountain to uh protect an additional 60 percent like 60 of the 25 that they would be retaining

[2:20:51] Voice 10: should this go through so i just wanted to confirm that that is uh actually um in in a plan

[2:21:00] Voice 10: And then I did speak with Planner Smith prior to the meeting just about the DPA for the upper part of this plan and how that at what point that would be prepared and looked at and understood from him that it would be at the point of rezoning all of that.

[2:21:30] Voice 10: the covenant the dpa would and the crd um access emergency access would all need to be

[2:21:39] Voice 10: concluded and the water management yes

[2:21:44] Voice 20: go ahead thanks yes

[2:21:47] Planner: i can speak a bit more to that so yes

[2:21:48] Planner: you're correct um the development permit area five sensitive ecosystem requirements require

[2:21:55] Planner: require that all subdivisions where you have a DPA-5 zone

[2:22:01] Planner: within the subdivision area requires a development permit.

[2:22:06] Planner: So they will require one at time of subdivision

[2:22:11] Planner: and essentially as that is a link to a rezoning decision,

[2:22:15] Planner: I can start to work with the applicant

[2:22:18] Planner: on they could submit a development permit application

[2:22:21] Planner: and uh and then and with respect to uh the actual uh dp areas both the steep slope as well as the

[2:22:31] Planner: uh sensitive ecosystem areas so specifically on that upper ridge if any of their development

[2:22:37] Planner: was proposed to be within those sensitive uh or in those dp areas they would require a development

[2:22:45] Planner: permit when they seek to development in the future so at building permit stage

[2:22:51] Planner: with sensitive ecosystem with the dp7 the steep slope if it's a structure that requires a building

[2:23:00] Planner: permit they are exempt from the trust dp requirements because geotech is considered a

[2:23:06] Planner: time of building permit issuance but any structures that weren't needing a building

[2:23:13] Planner: permit would also need a dp7 permit and then your first question your first question sorry was

[2:23:22] Planner: Trustee Wilberton

[2:23:24] Planner: around, what was your first question there?

[2:23:28] Voice 10: It was about the 60%.

[2:23:29] Voice 10: That would

[2:23:30] Planner: be good to hear maybe from Mr. Erickson with respect to if they have that number

[2:23:38] Planner: and your covenant will

[2:23:40] Planner: describe those developable areas, I guess.

[2:23:44] Planner: Outside of that, they wouldn't be allowed to develop any structures

[2:23:48] Planner: but you could be more detailed I guess in terms of requiring no developments in those areas

[2:23:55] Planner: like no trails no but that would be probably where that would need to be applied some kind of

[2:24:04] Planner: minimum habitat protection requirement yeah so

[2:24:10] Voice 18: can you just clarify just so we have the

[2:24:14] Voice 18: timing correctly for anybody watching we'll get to you Mr Erickson in a moment

[2:24:17] Voice 18: um uh the the timing of the uh the dp yes so

[2:24:24] Voice 18: i've heard because i heard two things that

[2:24:26] Voice 18: trustee wolverton seemed to think it happened before the rezoning but you seemed to indicate

[2:24:31] Voice 18: it would happen on subdivision and uh those kinds of development permit applications

[2:24:38] Voice 18: would we decide if if this goes ahead would we decide it after the fact or would we decide it

[2:24:44] Voice 18: during this process or how would that go because this is the first time the idea of of development

[2:24:49] Voice 18: permits have come up in this application my recollection

[2:24:52] Planner: it's true and it is um probably

[2:24:55] Planner: a technical item that slipped through the cracks a little bit um so section 5.5 of the ocp requires

[2:25:02] Planner: that uh all subdivision of land will require a sensitive ecosystem development permit area

[2:25:10] Planner: um unless specifically exempted and they don't have any exemption permission so uh in this case

[2:25:17] Planner: because the subdivision will allow and going directly to a conservation organization

[2:25:27] Planner: it's probably would make the most sense to uh be making a this development permit decision

[2:25:45] Planner: So there could potentially be two or more development permits issued, one here at time of subdivision as a requirement of the bylaw, which would essentially just lay out the site plan and how it's going to be implemented.

[2:26:07] Planner: it uh and um and also like the lot lines and ensuring that for example you don't have two

[2:26:14] Planner: lots being created and one of them is entirely within a sensitive ecosystem area where the only

[2:26:21] Planner: development that would be possible would be through uh getting a development permit area so that's why

[2:26:26] Planner: you would have that blanket requirement for all subdivision to require this dp and so you would

[2:26:32] Planner: also require a development permit in the future if you are citing a specific structure within that

[2:26:38] Planner: and at that time uh you would need a biologist report or what uh whatever other required reports

[2:26:45] Planner: perhaps an arborist assessment of tree removal or whatever and um and then that would be captured

[2:26:55] Planner: within much more detailed conditions of development but i think at this time uh

[2:27:02] Planner: because they're not well you could i guess if they are proposing structures within the dp area

[2:27:09] Planner: you could have them cited in a schedule in the dp that you're issuing now but future construction

[2:27:18] Planner: development activities would require another dp in the future does that make sense i think so

[2:27:29] Voice 18: So it's complicated.

[2:27:30] Planner: It is, yeah.

[2:27:31] Planner: There's basically one now is necessary

[2:27:35] Planner: and one in the future would be necessary

[2:27:38] Planner: if and when they actually go to put a structure

[2:27:40] Planner: that falls within one of those polygons.

[2:27:45] Voice 18: Trustee Rockfeld.

[2:27:50] Voice 8: Yeah, I just was wondering the,

[2:27:52] Voice 8: is there being a, I can't,

[2:27:54] Voice 8: this is a bit about water

[2:27:55] Voice 8: and maybe I just missed these in the discussions,

[2:27:58] Voice 8: but I'll just go ahead and ask them all again

[2:28:00] Voice 8: in because i thought about them um just uh has there been any monitoring on adjacent wells during

[2:28:07] Voice 8: the pump test of the in the cohort original um

[2:28:11] Planner: i'd have to go back to the report it's not yeah

[2:28:14] Voice 8: you don't have to it's just

[2:28:15] Voice 8: these are just things i've been thinking about and then

[2:28:18] Voice 8: i i have written

[2:28:18] Voice 8: down that it was 12 hours the pump test and i was just i don't remember i don't know if that's

[2:28:24] Voice 8: correct or if i grabbed the wrong numbers but i didn't i was wondering if that was an adequate

[2:28:28] Voice 8: what length of time for the density requested what

[2:28:34] Planner: i would say to that is that a professional

[2:28:36] Planner: report has been submitted uh william and i have reviewed it i think the assessment is

[2:28:46] Planner: or i think the conclusion is that the the assessment meets the provincial standards and

[2:28:51] Planner: requirements. LTC could certainly ask broader questions around water and seek additional

[2:29:01] Planner: water testing or studies. But

[2:29:03] Planner: yeah, I can find the report fairly quickly here.

[2:29:08] Planner: I can find specific answers.

[2:29:11] Voice 8: I guess I was just looking at the after the water webinar, just the

[2:29:16] Voice 8: that it

[2:29:17] Voice 8: is possibly a drier area. And I'm quite unfamiliar with the wells and the water

[2:29:21] Voice 8: availability up there and then with the local information that the spotlight cove wells are

[2:29:28] Voice 8: or salt water intrusion possibly or dry i just don't know even the how close they are or i just

[2:29:33] Voice 8: don't want to make sure that we're getting all that information so i

[2:29:37] Planner: think at the cim mr kohut

[2:29:39] Planner: spoke to his view that there won't be interference of those adjacent users from this drawdown or to

[2:29:46] Planner: spotlight creek and that their higher risk is uh risk of salt water intrusion for those lower

[2:29:52] Planner: uh lower level properties there than uh than uh crystal mountain

[2:30:00] Planner: But that said, the water testing was done in 2015 and LTC could certainly seek additional water information if that's if that's if they're not if you're not satisfied.

[2:30:17] Planner: I think from us. Yeah, I think.

[2:30:20] Planner: Okay,

[2:30:21] Voice 8: I was also I

[2:30:22] Planner: can't William I think I saw William around here.

[2:30:26] Planner: here he's around

[2:30:27] Voice 20: i i've seen him he's

[2:30:31] Voice 10: there now maybe

[2:30:33] Voice 21: william could speak to where we're at

[2:30:34] Voice 21: i was

[2:30:39] Voice 5: just uh searching for the part two i believe that it was a oops can you hear me

[2:31:06] Voice 15: yeah and

[2:31:07] Voice 5: now yeah sorry about that um i i do believe that it was a shorter pumping test um

[2:31:14] Voice 5: Um, then, then was 72 hour, um, the, the amount of drawdown, if I recall, um, was, was quite minimal, um, compared to the available head.

[2:31:27] Voice 5: Um, and, um, I, as I was explaining in the, in the community information meeting that, um, the area is, uh, of high vulnerability or has at least been classed as such.

[2:31:40] Voice 5: So any consideration going forward should have mitigating measures at the minimum monitoring and that has been already recommended in the professional reports.

[2:31:54] Voice 5: So, yeah, that's something to consider and and also staff haven't had the chance to review the water management plan that the updated one.

[2:32:02] Voice 5: So when Connor Smith and I have the chance to do that,

[2:32:07] Voice 5: we'll come back to the LTC with some more analysis

[2:32:12] Voice 5: and also address the new mapping with the vulnerability.

[2:32:18] Voice 18: William, while I've got you,

[2:32:21] Voice 18: something that actually did confuse me,

[2:32:23] Voice 18: and I don't want to drag you back into your presentation

[2:32:25] Voice 18: because I know you're making it again on North Bender,

[2:32:27] Voice 18: but what I did note when looking at these areas was,

[2:32:33] Voice 18: it looked to me like the area of this area where we're talking about the cms area the crystal

[2:32:41] Voice 18: mountain area was also was in the highest rainfall area on the island but but was but it was and it

[2:32:48] Voice 18: was hard to overlap them but it was either right on the verge or in that red area and i couldn't

[2:32:53] Voice 18: quite figure out that seemed to me to be inconsistent that it would be in the highest

[2:32:58] Voice 18: rainfall area but in a highly critical area and could you maybe talk to me about that yeah that's

[2:33:06] Voice 5: that's a great point so it is in the highest rainfall area it has some of the most the

[2:33:12] Voice 5: highest recharge potential on the island and receives a lot of recharge and the water budget

[2:33:20] Voice 5: shows that that there's a lot of use in that area compared to other areas on the island so

[2:33:27] Voice 5: So judging by the groundwater use and the risk of saltwater intrusion on the wells that are close to the coast, and also the well density of the area, there's a lot of wells in there.

[2:33:38] Voice 5: So if that layer would have been on, that might have given you some more intel to how much water use is in that area.

[2:33:44] Voice 5: So putting those together creates a highly vulnerable situation.

[2:33:48] Voice 5: So even though there is a lot of recharge, there's an equal amount, well not equal amount, but a higher amount of water use in that groundwater region compared to the other areas in the north.

[2:34:00] Voice 18: And this is a question for both you and Brad.

[2:34:04] Voice 18: I'm sorry, I don't mean to take, Trustee Rockefeller, you were on the floor, but while we're talking about water.

[2:34:13] Voice 18: I was reading the OCP last night, because that's what else do you do?

[2:34:18] Voice 18: is uh and there's a pro and this is for you brad as well um there's a provision in the ocp that

[2:34:24] Voice 18: somewhere and i'm not exactly where it is i have to find it now that says the the um

[2:34:32] Voice 18: if you provide a monitoring well that can be considered a community amenity it's a very short

[2:34:40] Voice 18: statement but it's there it says if you provide a monitoring well then that can be considered a

[2:34:46] Voice 18: community amenity and and of course that has broad implications for what or where etc um and

[2:34:53] Voice 18: i forget which section it's under and it might be but i wondered two things with one whether

[2:34:59] Voice 18: a monitoring well would would do anything in this particular area um because i don't know if it's

[2:35:07] Voice 18: too remote from all the other wells to serve a purpose but second has that ever been raised with

[2:35:12] Voice 18: the applicant planner smith well

[2:35:17] Voice 5: i'll just answer the first one this area is any highly vulnerable

[2:35:22] Voice 5: uh groundwater region is in need of a monitoring location that isn't a pumping well

[2:35:29] Voice 5: so um it would be not only a not only amenity to the to the applicant and um but it would be

[2:35:38] Voice 5: a community amenity to the people the groundwater users of the of that groundwater region but also

[2:35:45] Voice 5: generally across the island because we don't really have much monitoring in the north

[2:35:49] Voice 5: or at all with um uh with groundwater so okay

[2:35:55] Voice 18: so that leads my second question as to whether

[2:35:58] Voice 18: that's ever been discussed with the applicant i know we haven't discussed it here but um

[2:36:04] Voice 18: so

[2:36:06] Planner: there there are two other wells existing on the property that could be monitored uh i'm looking

[2:36:13] Planner: Looking back at the pump test from 2015, it was a 12-hour pump test that was completed in the low season of October.

[2:36:20] Planner: And so with respect to the water management plan, LTC could be specific in requiring that they are doing data logger monitoring and collection of water use.

[2:36:43] Planner: over time that's probably a baseline recommendation that william and i would land on

[2:36:50] Planner: and that can be captured in covenant of course as well as all of these will be

[2:36:56] Planner: um so you know i think uh yeah yeah go ahead sorry i'll go

[2:37:05] Voice 18: back to a trustee wolverton perhaps

[2:37:08] Voice 18: or

[2:37:09] Voice 10: uh trustee uh rockefeller

[2:37:11] Voice 8: okay

[2:37:12] Voice 18: trustee rockefeller

[2:37:12] Voice 8: um i think keith erickson actually

[2:37:15] Voice 8: showed us the well they're planning on using as a monitoring well because they've been he told us

[2:37:21] Voice 8: they were planning on it already um i was wondering your other question

[2:37:26] Planner: was uh the two

[2:37:28] Planner: wells on the property were assessed during that 12-hour pump test but uh no neighboring properties

[2:37:34] Planner: is where it looks like

[2:37:35] Voice 8: okay thanks um do is there currently a data logger on the cms well

[2:37:41] Voice 8: i

[2:37:42] Planner: don't understand that there is okay you

[2:37:45] Planner: could ask uh keith that okay

[2:37:49] Voice 8: and then i said a couple

[2:37:51] Voice 8: more questions um if the application went ahead would it be approved based on a water license

[2:37:59] Voice 8: approval by the province or would that be unrelated yeah

[2:38:04] Planner: your your rezoning decision is

[2:38:06] Planner: is separate from a water use license so ltc could use that as information to help inform you whether

[2:38:16] Planner: you uh think it's uh should be approved or not um but uh i don't think it would be appropriate

[2:38:29] Planner: for you to make it a condition of water license for the rezoning to occur not i wasn't thinking

[2:38:35] Voice 8: of that i was just wondering if it was an automatic um relationship there like yeah

[2:38:41] Planner: automat uh what i would say is that uh uh and i think william would agree that the the province

[2:38:49] Planner: has their own delegated authority and requirements and considerations and process when they consider

[2:38:57] Planner: the issuance of a water license and uh and the islands trust has a separate set of policies and

[2:39:04] Planner: regulations and policies sorry uh the same way and your policies and regulations have ocp policies

[2:39:16] Planner: and other considerations around sustainability of water use and all those broader aspects that

[2:39:22] Planner: the provincial process perhaps uh considers more narrowly

[2:39:26] Voice 8: okay um and the last question

[2:39:29] Voice 8: i'd had for now is just um if the application was approved would the accommodation still be

[2:39:35] Voice 8: available on the upper ridge and yeah if

[2:39:40] Planner: the application was approved for rezoning you mean

[2:39:43] Planner: yeah

[2:39:44] Voice 8: for rezoning just because it's it seems

[2:39:46] Planner: like there's so so the upper ridge is being proposed

[2:39:50] Planner: for approval to hook lot parcel with the layout and the the sleeping hut configurations that

[2:39:57] Planner: they've described but any development in the upper ridge would be restricted by covenant

[2:40:02] Planner: until they demonstrate proof of water okay and so um they would need to probably drill a well up

[2:40:10] Planner: there too uh and that is always you know that's one of the the obviously the trigger points of

[2:40:17] Planner: this application and one of the decisions for ltc is whether development in that upper parcel is

[2:40:23] Planner: is appropriate or not with the applicant saying it's a must-have more or less for their applicant

[2:40:28] Planner: to application to to work

[2:40:31] Voice 8: okay thank you guys and

[2:40:35] Voice 5: uh just one last thing chair rogers just to

[2:40:37] Voice 5: comment back on your point um the the crystal mountain society lands uh are all within the north

[2:40:45] Voice 5: Trincomalee Channel groundwater region just right at the north of it on the edge of the

[2:40:51] Voice 5: Spanish Hills one. So if a monitoring well was installed there it would actually be beneficial

[2:40:58] Voice 5: to both of those highly vulnerable regions and would probably serve well for both of them.

[2:41:08] Voice 10: I have a question but probably more for the applicant just about whether what rainwater

[2:41:17] Voice 10: catchment has been considered for that upper ridge as a as a means of providing water I

[2:41:31] Voice 18: don't

[2:41:33] Voice 18: know if the planner wants to add that it's probably in the latest water management plan

[2:41:37] Voice 18: that we haven't actually just we haven't had a chance to review so um

[2:41:43] Planner: so right now water uh from

[2:41:47] Planner: the upper or i guess proof of water is being required up there through covenant right as

[2:41:57] Planner: ltc is required that as a condition so

[2:42:00] Planner: um demonstrating proof of water for rainwater catchment is more difficult uh to achieve so

[2:42:09] Planner: So, yeah, it says in their plan, rainwater may be considered and if incorporated, but primarily they would be seeking to use a future well.

[2:42:29] Planner: So, yeah, I mean, LTC has a decision there, I guess, around is a well appropriate up there.

[2:42:39] Planner: if it's not then is there another means to for them to demonstrate some reasonable proof of water

[2:42:46] Planner: that uh their operation can even proceed to operate uh in a

[2:42:52] Planner: safe manner in a sense if that

[2:42:54] Planner: land use is appropriate uh i just

[2:43:01] Voice 5: uh just to add to that um sorry trustee wolverton that um proof

[2:43:05] Voice 5: of all water can also be explored um by existing wells um through a license agreement or share

[2:43:14] Voice 5: works agreement um if there was enough water to then divert from uh wells down the slope and then

[2:43:22] Voice 5: up but that but what i understand is that the topography is quite difficult for that so that

[2:43:28] Voice 5: might not not be reasonable um just by a quick glance at the water management plan i didn't

[2:43:34] Voice 5: really get a chance to absorb it that well but it seems like they're they are approaching rainwater

[2:43:39] Voice 5: harvesting and of course staff are always supportive of rainwater harvesting as a

[2:43:45] Voice 5: alternative supply to a primary supply that's generally serviced by groundwater community water

[2:43:51] Voice 5: system i

[2:43:54] Voice 10: have a question about how is water dealt with right now up on that ridge they don't really

[2:44:01] Planner: really have any structures or or operating uses up there well

[2:44:09] Voice 19: there's people up there

[2:44:10] Voice 19: there's

[2:44:11] Planner: no well i mean they're just rudimentary cabins and they'd be

[2:44:16] Planner: bottled water yeah there's no there's no oh

[2:44:22] Voice 18: i i sorry i maybe misunderstood i sort of presumed

[2:44:25] Voice 18: they were utilizing the well they're now proposing to utilize as their main source

[2:44:29] Voice 18: no so

[2:44:30] Planner: in the lower area yeah oh

[2:44:33] Voice 18: you're talking about above she's

[2:44:35] Planner: talking about the upper ridge

[2:44:36] Voice 18: they might

[2:44:37] Planner: be hauling i

[2:44:38] Voice 20: didn't mean interview right no

[2:44:40] Planner: no there's no there's no there's no

[2:44:43] Planner: drawing of water from any source in the upper ridge it would all be packed in yeah what i

[2:44:48] Voice 5: understand is from like the they haul it from the bottom to the top but that's probably a question

[2:44:54] Voice 5: for the applicant. As of now there's no source of water up there except if

[2:44:59] Voice 5: they're catching rainwater. I

[2:45:01] Voice 5: see Elizabeth has her hand up right

[2:45:03] Voice 5: now. I

[2:45:06] Voice 13: just

[2:45:09] Voice 18: have one more it's a very simple technical question I just want to

[2:45:25] Voice 18: make sure um although i have i have some other comments but that'll be part of our discussion but

[2:45:30] Voice 18: in the bylaws you drafted um you where you where you put the on page 39 sorry where the bylaws as

[2:45:39] Voice 18: drafted um a you put in 8.7 crystal mountain spiritual education sc1 zone that's on page 39

[2:45:47] Voice 18: can i can i assume that where the remainder of that where it says 8.6.1 that should all say

[2:45:54] Voice 18: 8.7.1 and all the way down these are all the sub paragraphs under 8.7 yeah

[2:46:02] Planner: just a numbering issue

[2:46:03] Planner: yeah

[2:46:04] Voice 18: that's just wanted to make no that's okay just wanted to make sure that i get confused

[2:46:08] Voice 18: easily these days yeah um

[2:46:11] Voice 18: there's something else but i think maybe if uh uh okay sorry

[2:46:20] Voice 18: Sorry, was something being turned over to Elizabeth?

[2:46:23] Planner: One point I would make as well

[2:46:25] Planner: is that the applicant as they sent you a letter

[2:46:30] Planner: just a couple of days ago,

[2:46:31] Planner: the applicant has requested that LTC consider amending

[2:46:37] Planner: the name of 8.7 to just spiritual education zone.

[2:46:43] Planner: So when you get to your discussion,

[2:46:46] Planner: and I think it's probably useful to talk

[2:46:48] Planner: about the community facility designation and whether it's appropriate or not as

[2:46:54] Planner: well as the the nonprofit component and that amendment could in one way amend

[2:47:05] Planner: the use from a more retreat commercial use to a more education lens and can I

[2:47:14] Voice 18: just clarify two things for me one is um am i correct that uh that a church or churches would

[2:47:20] Voice 18: be under the community uh amenity zone community

[2:47:25] Planner: facility facility zone

[2:47:27] Planner: they would be yes correct

[2:47:29] Planner: and

[2:47:29] Voice 18: secondly that's where the millard center is as well

[2:47:32] Planner: no the millard center is its own

[2:47:35] Planner: sub ee np zone um and as it has its own yeah okay it

[2:47:42] Planner: has its own eight point uh i can point

[2:47:46] Planner: yeah 8.5 or um 8.5 ee np is specific to the mallard center and so it's under the community

[2:47:59] Planner: and utilities subheader, but under its own.

[2:48:03] Voice 18: Right, but it's under the community and utilities section.

[2:48:06] Voice 18: Right, thank you.

[2:48:07] Planner: The Mallard is, yeah.

[2:48:08] Voice 18: Okay, thank you.

[2:48:10] Voice 18: Yeah.

[2:48:11] Voice 18: Trustee Rockefeller.

[2:48:12] Voice 8: I just have one last water question.

[2:48:15] Voice 8: I was just wondering that, does this,

[2:48:18] Voice 8: does a Chris Mount property fall

[2:48:20] Voice 8: under a water management area?

[2:48:22] Voice 8: Like on our, is it an area of concern

[2:48:26] Voice 8: on our water management area maps?

[2:48:29] Voice 5: no i i i believe that the water management area is just totally in the north galliano spanish hills

[2:48:36] Voice 5: um groundwater region um the the groundwater regions have been defined a little bit more

[2:48:42] Voice 5: um since those lines have been drawn but it's really close so this is falling just um below

[2:48:47] Voice 5: it but since the crystal mountain property is right on that line i'm not sure if there

[2:48:53] Voice 5: if there is like a fraction of of like mapping lay over there but the majority

[2:49:00] Voice 5: it's

[2:49:02] Planner: a few parcels

[2:49:02] Planner: over yeah

[2:49:03] Voice 5: yeah so a few

[2:49:05] Planner: parcels over so i would say

[2:49:07] Planner: these two parcels are not in the water

[2:49:09] Planner: management area based on the map thank

[2:49:12] Voice 8: you guys so much okay

[2:49:16] Voice 18: um i'm sure we have many more things

[2:49:19] Voice 18: to say or ask but uh let's turn to the applicant elizabeth i'm sorry i cut you off and keith

[2:49:25] Voice 18: you've come in a couple of times if you want to i'll ask you if you want to address something

[2:49:29] Voice 18: generally and then the trustees may have some questions for you feel free to turn your cameras

[2:49:34] Voice 18: on and speak to us oh

[2:49:37] Voice 13: i just uh i think maybe i didn't i didn't maybe i i'm thinking maybe i

[2:49:42] Voice 13: didn't understand that you were going to take answers to questions when you referred to

[2:49:50] Voice 13: the applicant during the course of the discussion that just ended

[2:49:54] Voice 13: do you understand what i'm saying you know like jane said maybe this is a question for

[2:49:58] Voice 13: the applicant and i thought maybe we were to respond at that time it's fine

[2:50:02] Voice 12: you

[2:50:02] Voice 13: know whichever way well really most of it um i was i couldn't tell if keith was there

[2:50:09] Voice 13: because all those questions about water i i think could be directed to him um i would just say that

[2:50:16] Voice 13: the question about water on the upper ridge you guys are correct um there really isn't any

[2:50:21] Voice 13: activity up there um and and the few times that there are um the water is it's bought it's

[2:50:29] Voice 13: purchased five gallon jugs of water that are brought in for short-term use that's it so okay

[2:50:41] Voice 4: okay i can answer or add to a couple of the questions that were raised there

[2:50:49] Voice 4: um i've written down on post-it notes feel free to stop me and ask uh more clearly or ask again

[2:50:57] Voice 4: if i if i'm not quite hitting on it and i'll let um libby uh speak generally to the application

[2:51:04] Voice 4: if she if she wants to um there was question of the monitoring well that is part of the as

[2:51:11] Voice 4: far as i know that's part of the application would be that the monitoring well is designated

[2:51:16] Voice 4: Mayor Mrakas, And so that is part of what crystal mountain is proposing i'm not sure how it if, or how it got captured in the staff report, but that is certainly crystal mountains intention there's no data logger on that well currently or and there hasn't been, so there is no data existing.

[2:51:36] Voice 4: Mayor Mrakas, At this stage.

[2:51:39] Voice 4: Mayor Mrakas, rainwater catchment is part of the management, the water management plan for for both sites, the upper and lower portion, though I don't know the details of what is required in order to determine.

[2:51:56] Voice 4: Mayor Mrakas, potable water as the covenant will require whether you need a well or access to a well or rainwater i'm not sure we would have to ask somebody with those expertise.

[2:52:08] Voice 4: um in terms of the uh cover uh or sorry the further protection within the property that

[2:52:19] Voice 4: trustee wolverton brought up um that was an idea that crystal mountain had put forward

[2:52:25] Voice 4: for consideration was talking about protecting forest cover on the portion designated

[2:52:37] Voice 4: um for uh development or the Crystal Mountain portion of of the uh of the lot um and and it

[2:52:48] Voice 4: the idea was was thinking um that Crystal Mountain nor probably the community would

[2:52:55] Voice 4: would want to have see that land you know clear cut the 25 percent clear cut um sometime down

[2:53:01] Voice 4: the line from some other owner you know we're looking at long-term protection here and that a

[2:53:06] Voice 4: simple mechanism such as a requirement to retain a minimum of 60% forest cover could be put into

[2:53:15] Voice 4: a covenant that would basically need anybody, I mean, probably any planner to just have a look

[2:53:23] Voice 4: at an air photo and quickly determine whether it's, you know, open or forested. It would be a

[2:53:31] Voice 4: very simple mechanism um for for protection that was the i that was the idea that was put forward

[2:53:37] Voice 4: um and then i had a couple other notes one uh was in right um it was brought up in terms of

[2:53:49] Voice 4: what the millard learning center was um zoned as and i think there's just um it's designated in the

[2:53:57] Voice 4: OCP under community facility and then as partner Smith was referring to in the land use bylaw it

[2:54:06] Voice 4: is under the community facility utilities section with its own set of bylaws and that's all I have

[2:54:13] Voice 4: but I'm happy if I can help with any other technical questions I'm happy to help with those

[2:54:20] Voice 18: trustees questions for the applicant yeah yeah

[2:54:28] Voice 10: my internet's a little bit

[2:54:32] Voice 10: unstable so if i get cut off that's why um i wondered um and this question is posed to you

[2:54:42] Voice 10: libby is the um do you envisage or have you had uh non-buddhists come for a retreat for

[2:54:53] Voice 10: reflective

[2:54:53] Voice 15: retreat or are you open to those i'm

[2:55:05] Voice 10: sorry would

[2:55:06] Voice 13: you be open

[2:55:07] Voice 13: open

[2:55:07] Voice 10: or is

[2:55:09] Voice 10: the crystal mountain

[2:55:10] Voice 13: open to that yes yes definitely i the reason i hesitated was

[2:55:15] Voice 13: we don't actually ask people that if they are buddhists um i think i can say that it's a uh

[2:55:28] Voice 13: because of what we offer people who are interested in what we offer they they may be you know we

[2:55:34] Voice 13: we several times get people who are just kind of entering the interest in that kind of education

[2:55:42] Voice 13: and that kind of study. So I guess you would say technically, you know, at heart, they may be

[2:55:49] Voice 13: Buddhist, but technically, whatever that means. So I hope I'm answering that question. I would

[2:55:55] Voice 13: say that in a typical retreat, we would have a mix of people who are new and people who are

[2:56:02] Voice 13: experienced and in the experience people may call themselves buddhists or dharma practitioners

[2:56:08] Voice 13: yeah so we are certainly open to anyone who who is uh who anyone who is looking

[2:56:16] Voice 13: looking

[2:56:18] Voice 10: for uh at buddhism or looking for a spiritual path regardless i

[2:56:23] Voice 13: would say looking

[2:56:24] Voice 13: well i would say the the broad category would be spiritual path you get do you get people who are

[2:56:30] Voice 13: seekers and they may be seeking in other areas as well but i think if they if they

[2:56:36] Voice 13: are attracted to what we offer that that time they're looking at buddhist practices thank you

[2:56:46] Voice 13: welcome

[2:56:47] Voice 18: can i can i sort of ask the inverse of that question which is do you ever just rent

[2:56:55] Voice 18: out your facility like your your or envision you just rent out your people your facilities without

[2:57:01] Voice 18: without having people that are part of your program?

[2:57:04] Voice 13: Well, that's a really easy answer, Chair Rogers,

[2:57:07] Voice 13: because the answer is no, we don't.

[2:57:11] Voice 13: And in fact, aside from rezoning and subdivision process,

[2:57:15] Voice 13: Crystal Mountain Society is quite determined that,

[2:57:21] Voice 13: oh, let me put it this way,

[2:57:22] Voice 13: we're quite determined that we not build beyond our capacity

[2:57:26] Voice 13: to maintain a facility ourselves.

[2:57:29] Voice 13: And it's for that very reason,

[2:57:31] Voice 13: and we don't want to be under the demands of economically having to do what sometimes other

[2:57:39] Voice 13: retreat centers have to do, is to rent out to other functions in order to raise income to

[2:57:48] Voice 13: support the facility. Does that answer your question?

[2:57:52] Voice 18: Oh, it does. I mean, as you undoubtedly

[2:57:57] Voice 18: heard concerns that and that it might be advertised just as a place to come and stay

[2:58:03] Voice 18: uh as opposed to uh running the programs and it strikes me that that's not the intent of what i've

[2:58:10] Voice 18: seen um and and i i just wonder how that i i'm just thinking out loud about how you would how

[2:58:18] Voice 18: we would um ensure that that was the case and when i don't i'm not necessarily talking about

[2:58:25] Voice 18: the cms but there's been lots of issues raised about what happens if you if someone else comes

[2:58:31] Voice 18: in and operates the the the uh uh the the um facility if it's approved so i'm just wondering

[2:58:40] Voice 18: if we can i don't know i have to ask the question of the planner whether we can whether we could

[2:58:45] Voice 18: say that only people who are participants can can um can uh abide there

[2:58:51] Voice 18: can can stay there and i know that's

[2:58:56] Voice 18: your intent i'm sort of asking whether there's any way to

[2:58:59] Voice 18: control that and

[2:59:01] Voice 13: that's the question of that site specific restrictive um description

[2:59:07] Voice 13: yep is is what you're seeking right yeah

[2:59:11] Voice 17: yeah yeah perhaps

[2:59:13] Planner: the easiest way to achieve that

[2:59:16] Planner: that would be to define in the land use bylaw retreat user,

[2:59:20] Planner: and then your bylaws all reference retreat user,

[2:59:26] Planner: but they don't define that.

[2:59:27] Planner: You could define it to retreat user to be,

[2:59:29] Planner: you know, a paying or otherwise registered

[2:59:37] Planner: program participant in organized activities or something.

[2:59:45] Planner: I don't know exactly what it would say,

[2:59:46] Planner: But that's one way that you could. I mean, the bylaw does limit it to 22 retreat users, but it doesn't necessarily define retreat user.

[3:00:00] Planner: we're we're uh separating retreat user from a resident yeah

[3:00:06] Voice 18: probably

[3:00:07] Planner: it might be yeah i have

[3:00:09] Voice 18: one other question it's different so if you're done i'll ask it it's um the apc did ask the

[3:00:15] Voice 18: question and made a recommendation that more parking should be provided and indicated the

[3:00:21] Voice 18: applicant indicated they were going to do that but your report still seems to indicate that it's

[3:00:26] Voice 18: uh i think you said one spot for every three so that would be like eight and uh there was a

[3:00:33] Voice 18: concern that that might have a spillover parking effect under the divina drive and i think that's

[3:00:39] Voice 18: appropriate to address that if possible yeah

[3:00:41] Planner: i think my latest report speaks to them providing

[3:00:43] Planner: 25 parking spots which addresses that okay uh

[3:00:47] Planner: issue so uh crystal mountain has uh come back

[3:00:51] Planner: with a 25 parking spot proposal which would be one for each participant and then three for the

[3:00:59] Planner: residential use okay um

[3:01:06] Voice 18: any other questions from sorry i've asked a lot but uh from the trustees

[3:01:11] Voice 18: to uh the applicants from miss mcclelland or from keith erickson while we have them here

[3:01:21] Voice 18: no thanks maybe i'll get you and now we because as we go into our

[3:01:28] Voice 18: our contemplation of what's next um thanks elizabeth uh mcclellan sorry sometimes i

[3:01:36] Voice 18: flip between first names and last so apologize uh anyway thank you for joining us um

[3:01:44] Voice 18: um yeah trustee rockefeller so

[3:01:48] Voice 8: this is just in regards to your comment um chair rogers just that

[3:01:52] Voice 8: But I did find that under spiritual education policy C,

[3:01:57] Voice 8: it does say that it won't permit any commercial tourism,

[3:02:02] Voice 8: including nature-related tourism or visitor accommodation.

[3:02:05] Voice 8: So that kind of captures maybe what you were referring to.

[3:02:12] Voice 18: Which of my comments were you-

[3:02:15] Voice 8: Just the

[3:02:15] Voice 8: last one about allowing other people

[3:02:19] Voice 8: other than retreat participants.

[3:02:21] Voice 8: Well,

[3:02:21] Voice 18: I mean, I think we're into our discussion now.

[3:02:25] Voice 18: there have been a number of the people, the neighbors particularly, who refer to this as a

[3:02:32] Voice 18: resort, and I understand that, and I think there's a concern that has been expressed a number of

[3:02:40] Voice 18: times that it'll turn into a high-end resort, and I mean, I'm correct, I think, what I said to

[3:02:49] Voice 18: to um to uh sorry to mr puta that whatever conditions we put on the in the bylaw and on the

[3:03:01] Voice 18: section 219 covenant run with the land so whoever takes it on whatever whoever they might be

[3:03:06] Voice 12: would

[3:03:07] Voice 18: be would be restricted to what's contained in the both the bylaw and the

[3:03:12] Voice 18: and the covenant in terms of what they can and can't do um so anyway uh that's one of my questions

[3:03:20] Voice 18: is is to make sure that that that there isn't any to the extent we can any sort of slippage here to

[3:03:27] Voice 18: make sure that we don't create a a

[3:03:30] Voice 15: walk

[3:03:31] Voice 18: off a resort well at a resort in the context that

[3:03:34] Voice 18: anybody could go as opposed

[3:03:36] Voice 18: as opposed to a learning center or whatever and

[3:03:39] Voice 8: that's what i

[3:03:39] Voice 8: i think your point was really good and i was just worried that i didn't understand something

[3:03:43] Voice 8: fully so i was just that was the part that i saw that made me think we it was tight right there but

[3:03:49] Voice 8: then when you made that comment i realized maybe i didn't understand it as much as i thought i did

[3:03:53] Voice 8: i

[3:03:54] Voice 10: think brad has a comment to that yeah thanks i

[3:03:58] Planner: do agree with uh trustee rockefeller to some degree

[3:04:01] Planner: that uh uh the the definition of spiritual education retreat and the wording of does not

[3:04:08] Planner: include offer or provide any form of commercial short-term or temporary accommodation for the

[3:04:14] Planner: traveling public or any food service that does that is quite restrictive in bylaw uh to who they

[3:04:22] Planner: are uh providing it to and maybe you could yeah and i mean it sort of goes to define retreat users

[3:04:30] Planner: in that you know typically stay at the so a retreat user is someone who stays at three months

[3:04:36] Planner: to six months and perhaps there it could say and are and are registered in a in a program uh to

[3:04:45] Planner: further define uh retreat user and what it does include as opposed to not include that's one

[3:04:52] Planner: potential minor amendment that could be suggested okay

[3:04:57] Voice 18: so okay great thanks but before we get to the

[3:05:00] Voice 18: minor amendments and i think there might be some i i can i just sort of set the stage for the

[3:05:04] Voice 18: discussion and i'm conscious of the fact it's 3 30 and we have a couple of other applications

[3:05:08] Voice 18: to deal with but i think we need to decide or not decide what we're going to do with this

[3:05:15] Voice 18: um uh it seems to me that the planner is correct and i'm not saying we have to decide this today

[3:05:23] Voice 18: but there are going to be a whole bunch of more things that the applicant has to do going forward

[3:05:30] Voice 18: I mean, there's a lot of work yet to do both for our staff and for if this matter continues to proceed.

[3:05:36] Voice 18: I think the planner is correct when he says we sort of know all of the generalities now.

[3:05:43] Voice 18: We know, keeping in mind, this is the Crystal Mountains application.

[3:05:48] Voice 18: We know all of the parameters, if you will.

[3:05:52] Voice 18: We don't know necessarily all the details, and I have some concerns about doing anything without knowing all those details.

[3:05:58] Voice 18: But we do know the parameters, and two of them that strike me are whether, and again, I'm not saying you have to decide this today, but whether or not the local trust committee is prepared to proceed, given this hook-lock configuration and given the density that's now on the table.

[3:06:21] Voice 18: and i think those are decisions that uh in fairness both to the to the community and to

[3:06:27] Voice 18: the applicant we should probably make if not now at least in the relatively near future because if

[3:06:33] Voice 18: there's no point in going down a whole bunch more studies if you're going to get to the end and say

[3:06:37] Voice 18: you know what i just can't live with that hook lock configuration and i can go through all the

[3:06:43] Voice 18: reasons we've been given about force fragmentation the access and all of those things but that seems

[3:06:49] Voice 18: seems to be where we're at. So I just wanted to say that and ask the trustees what you're

[3:06:56] Voice 18: thinking about that. And I say that having said there's been a whole bunch more stuff that's come

[3:07:03] Voice 18: up today that makes me want to wonder whether I need to think more about this. But it does seem

[3:07:08] Voice 18: to me we're at a decision point on a couple of things. So I don't know. I don't know what you're

[3:07:15] Voice 18: thinking i i don't want to usurp your thinking i just wanted to lay the the the groundwork for

[3:07:20] Voice 18: those things i can tell you after you talk how i'm thinking about it

[3:07:24] Voice 19: do

[3:07:29] Voice 20: either of you want to

[3:07:29] Voice 20: speak to that with that or

[3:07:31] Voice 18: or propose another way forward oh

[3:07:34] Voice 10: sure i like i i i think that we need

[3:07:38] Voice 10: um another community information meeting separate from a public hearing because i think there are

[3:07:45] Voice 10: are a number of aspects that we've talked about today that still need, we need to have

[3:07:53] Voice 10: the sort of final information, like the CRD emergency access, the covenant, the water,

[3:08:04] Voice 10: have a chance to look more at the water report. I think it would be good to have a data logger

[3:08:12] Voice 10: in one of the wells and I would defer to William whether it's in the observation well

[3:08:20] Voice 10: that is the one that has been sort of identified so I you know I think we're getting a lot of

[3:08:30] Voice 10: our questions answered I know this is a very difficult application for our community we have

[3:08:37] Voice 10: about from the correspondence it's about 50 50 for and against um i think that there is

[3:08:45] Voice 10: community benefit coming from this and i do believe that there's more potential for

[3:08:53] Voice 10: the land to be protected uh than to leave it as it is those are my comments

[3:09:03] Voice 20: okay

[3:09:04] Voice 18: i think he sort of answered my question which is that you you see the process continuing

[3:09:09] Voice 18: um and by the way i agree with what most of what you said because one of the things i was going to

[3:09:14] Voice 18: say after we sort of discussed this sort of parameters is i think there's some things that

[3:09:19] Voice 18: need to be done i i'd have to think about whether i think another cim at this stage is what we need

[3:09:24] Voice 18: but we need more data and more there's some bunch of stuff we need before we consider scheduling a

[3:09:29] Voice 18: public hearing for sure in my view anyway trustee rockefeller what are you uh it

[3:09:37] Voice 8: sounds like you

[3:09:38] Voice 8: you guys have good comments and thoughts so i'll just uh go no

[3:09:43] Voice 18: no okay i'm trying to draw you guys

[3:09:47] Voice 18: out um so uh so am i getting the fact we i just want to i'm sorry to sort of and again you can

[3:09:54] Voice 18: tell me you're not ready to make this decision but at some point we've had a lot of people a lot

[3:09:59] Voice 18: a number of people say you should just reject this because it's a hook lock configuration

[3:10:04] Voice 18: configuration and it's not consistent with the ocp i'm hearing both of you say you're not ready

[3:10:09] Voice 18: to do that uh that you're prepared prepared to continue uh with the work that we're doing in the

[3:10:16] Voice 18: in the general form because that doesn't sound like it's going anywhere it's we're we're going

[3:10:22] Voice 18: to six months from now there's still going to be an upper ridge and a lower ridge and and that

[3:10:27] Voice 18: they're they're going to be separated etc so and i know there are a number of people in the

[3:10:32] Voice 18: community who have been very clear in saying you should reject that as a proposal I am you know

[3:10:39] Voice 18: I've struggled with the forest fragmentation issue um I tried to get some people to try and

[3:10:47] Voice 18: give me an answer what it is I've listened to Mr Erickson quite clearly uh and he you know

[3:10:54] Voice 18: you know it's never ideal to break up the forest but I am I am comforted to a large extent by the

[3:11:01] Voice 18: fact that the footprint's only 1.55% of the land map of what's the remnant, that they're going to

[3:11:09] Voice 18: protect 60% or so of the remnant as well. So you add that to the 75% that's going to the

[3:11:18] Voice 18: Conservancy and the Conservancy has approved it. If you read the language of their approval motion,

[3:11:26] Voice 18: motion, what it says is, well, it's not ideal. It meets their protection objectives. So all of that

[3:11:35] Voice 18: comforts me a little bit, even though it's an awkward... So that's just sort of where I'm at

[3:11:43] Voice 18: right now. And I wanted to check in where you were at on that issue. I do think, I have to say,

[3:11:53] Voice 18: I would I can't I can't approve the personally I would not be able to vote in favor of saying that

[3:12:00] Voice 18: the trust policy statement uh segments have been have been met and particularly the water ones when

[3:12:07] Voice 18: I haven't had a chance to review the water management plan um and it sounds like we've

[3:12:13] Voice 18: got a bunch of other water data that we might want to get before we were satisfied with 4.4.2

[3:12:19] Voice 18: people 4.4.3 um and i i'd have difficulty you know passing a motion personally that that approved uh

[3:12:28] Voice 18: that that the trust policy statement checklist had been approved because at this stage of the

[3:12:33] Voice 18: of the game i i also have a few questions about the ones in number three but i those are less

[3:12:40] Voice 18: of a question we've had some of my questions answer on that but certainly the ones under the

[3:12:44] Voice 18: water uh concerned me so i'm not really keen to pass that motion at this stage until we

[3:12:52] Voice 18: we deal with

[3:12:53] Voice 18: whatever outstanding water questions there are including having an opportunity to

[3:12:57] Voice 18: review their water management plan in detail and also deal with whatever data logger or

[3:13:03] Voice 18: observation well you guys think might be appropriate anyway those are my initial

[3:13:08] Voice 18: comments. But

[3:13:17] Voice 18: I think that Planner Smith would like some direction. And he suggested a whole

[3:13:27] Voice 18: series of motions, of which, I'm

[3:13:40] Voice 19: sorry, I'm just scrolling up to them.

[3:13:48] Voice 18: You know, I'm always torn

[3:13:51] Voice 18: about this reading of bylaws for the first time, because there's a part of me that goes, you know,

[3:13:57] Voice 18: that doesn't really all what it is is just an indication that we've received them and then

[3:14:03] Voice 18: we're considering them that they're on the right track but i'm also conscious of the fact that it's

[3:14:08] Voice 18: a signal about certain things and i and there may be some considerations about the bylaws as

[3:14:13] Voice 18: they're drafted um uh but uh i um i do think that we um we should be giving direction to

[3:14:25] Voice 18: Drafted section 219 covenant with whatever we think should be in it and we should doing six and seven and I guess the question

[3:14:31] Voice 18: Is is do you want to do five?

[3:14:33] Voice 18: What else do you want to do? Yeah trustee Rockwell.

[3:14:39] Voice 8: Sorry. I was actually thinking

[3:14:41] Voice 18: Okay, that's okay. Take your time. I don't want it. I really don't want to rush through this one.

[3:14:46] Voice 8: Yeah, no neither do I

[3:14:50] Voice 8: It's okay, I was just I had a I've been thinking saying about the so it does seem like a stretch for

[3:14:56] Voice 8: for a large, not a large, a portion of the community to rezone a forest lot to a community

[3:15:04] Voice 8: facility potentially or whatever this ends up being. And then to take it a step further with

[3:15:10] Voice 8: the hooked lot and the fragmentation, it is a bit of a difficult step for me to make. And

[3:15:18] Voice 8: it has been since the first day I've seen it. And I totally support the moving of forest land

[3:15:26] Voice 8: into nature protection and so I wouldn't want to lose an opportunity like this but I am still

[3:15:31] Voice 8: kind of having difficulty with uh like potentially moving forward with something with the hooked

[3:15:37] Voice 8: portion and I like I just don't know if there's it's just something I'm still thinking about now

[3:15:45] Voice 8: it's not like I'm not wanting to move forward with this at this time or move back I just I'm

[3:15:50] Voice 8: I'm aware that I'm not comfortable with a totally separate piece of property

[3:15:57] Voice 8: being, being a part of the rezoning, but that's just a thought I'm having.

[3:16:01] Voice 8: I'm sharing it with the LTC.

[3:16:03] Voice 18: And it's one of the things I said is if you're not ready to make that call

[3:16:06] Voice 18: right now, then you're not ready to make that call.

[3:16:08] Voice 18: I just think we're coming to a point if not today soon,

[3:16:11] Voice 18: where we have to be in fairness for everybody say, yes,

[3:16:15] Voice 18: we're prepared to move forward because this, I think this is what it is.

[3:16:18] Voice 18: i mean it there's lots of other layers we can put on top yes planner smith um

[3:16:24] Planner: can i just yeah

[3:16:26] Planner: it's been so long it's been like 15 years that the community and the local trust committees

[3:16:31] Planner: have been debating this proposal so i really think that uh staff and the community needs

[3:16:40] Planner: it's my view is that there's enough information uh to decide one way or another on that hook

[3:16:48] Planner: lock parcel and provide everyone some really and you don't have to do that today of course but

[3:16:53] Planner: it is coming to the time where uh the applicant has made it pretty clear that

[3:16:58] Planner: we've given them many off ramps trying to get them off that top ridge and they're really

[3:17:04] Planner: stuck on the ridge pardon the pun and so uh that really is up to now their bottom line and so

[3:17:12] Planner: So if LTC just says, no, we are going to consider no development on the upper ridge, you can either come back with a different proposal or not at all.

[3:17:24] Planner: That's the clearest signal you can provide today.

[3:17:27] Planner: Or, you know, they've done the work to demonstrate that the upper parcel is legal, that the surveyor and the subdivision would be, you know, the technical requirements are met.

[3:17:42] Planner: Islands Trust Conservancy is open to accepting that parcel, addresses some of their concerns

[3:17:48] Planner: around fragmentation where in a previous proposal they actually had a hooked parcel that

[3:17:55] Planner: completely created a separate donut, a polygon that ITC that was separate from all the other.

[3:18:03] Planner: So you now have at least one single contiguous 75 percent parcel that's created and so

[3:18:11] Planner: So I just don't know what else we can be doing without some clear direction to bring back as something new to consider when really that's what I've done for the last two years is kind of grinding it, sharpening it to this point.

[3:18:30] Planner: And then with respect to water, keeping in mind that the proposed water use in the water report is a maximum of 2,889 liters per day, which is only slightly above what the residential allowance is for a property.

[3:18:50] Planner: So while you do have a number of users, you also have a centralized facility and the water use would certainly not be as great, in my view, as if you were at the Galliano Inn, for example, and everyone's got their own private bathrooms and facilities.

[3:19:06] Planner: and and so returning to doing more water testing and water sampling versus water monitoring and

[3:19:19] Planner: use and ensuring I guess those are two questions if you are going to go down the route of asking

[3:19:24] Planner: for for example what you're seeking and I guess I won't speak to them but to other proposals

[3:19:31] Planner: you're seeking data logger information as part of your kind of rezoning considerations if

[3:19:36] Planner: planning to do that here it's going to be have to probably you know we're past the dry season now in

[3:19:46] Planner: terms of data collection so if you want that

[3:19:49] Voice 1: down in your

[3:19:49] Planner: hand for a dry season you would need to

[3:19:53] Planner: undertake that next year you could initiate more pump testing but obviously those are kind of

[3:20:01] Planner: too big ass I would say it's a little challenging this world we were you know because we're learning

[3:20:09] Planner: so much more about water and of course it is becoming a more and more of a concern and an issue

[3:20:16] Planner: the goalposts for planning stuff and applicants it is and LTC even it's really difficult place to

[3:20:22] Planner: it's muddy to use another pun I'll wrap that up

[3:20:25] Voice 10: I think actually the dry season extends into

[3:20:29] Voice 10: to October is my understanding from but but

[3:20:32] Planner: but but by the time they actually initiated a technician

[3:20:36] Planner: to put the data logger in you would have missed most of the drawdown uh so you wouldn't understand

[3:20:44] Planner: what happened all through April May June you know all these months you need to

[3:20:50] Planner: so um with the other

[3:20:53] Planner: or two we will hopefully catch that june july august september drawdown and then uh observing

[3:21:00] Planner: that recharge whenever it occurs when the the major fresh hits come and then you'll have some

[3:21:06] Planner: sense of uh not only the the level of drawdown uh but also uh the recharge curve but throwing it in

[3:21:14] Planner: right now you'd only get that bottom level you wouldn't have seen if it's been like that the

[3:21:19] Planner: whole time or uh if it's been on a gradual or fast drawdown so william might still be here to speak

[3:21:30] Planner: more to this but i think i i think i'm on track with with if that's what you're asking for uh that

[3:21:36] Planner: is what uh would be uh needed do

[3:21:43] Voice 5: you want to speak to that william uh yeah so um with all the

[3:21:48] Voice 5: information um that mr co had provided i would suggest that requiring a pumping test would not

[3:21:58] Voice 5: be as effective as monitoring um i think that the outcomes would just come the same the pump

[3:22:05] Voice 5: test is there to determine the performance of the well not to particularly um identify

[3:22:11] Voice 5: the vulnerability of the resource so and the only way to do that is to monitor

[3:22:18] Voice 18: and and yeah do

[3:22:20] Voice 18: we know why he concluded that there was no connectivity to any of the neighbors

[3:22:26] Voice 18: i mean i know i think there's a fair distance i

[3:22:28] Planner: don't think he he doesn't conclude there's no

[3:22:30] Planner: connectivity concluded there would be no interference no interference from the proposed

[3:22:35] Planner: drawdown oh

[3:22:36] Voice 18: i see okay

[3:22:37] Voice 5: thank you that's that's clear for

[3:22:39] Voice 18: me yeah

[3:22:40] Voice 5: yeah it'd be beyond a fact

[3:22:42] Voice 5: beyond like this like a conservative safety factor right

[3:22:47] Voice 18: and I seem to recall hearing somewhere that

[3:22:52] Voice 18: getting a data logger installed can be time can be problematic because you can't if buying it's

[3:23:00] Voice 18: not the problem it's finding someone to install it that's the time well

[3:23:03] Voice 5: well if I were if I were

[3:23:05] Voice 5: to hazard a guess I think that there's someone in the attendees right now who is a professional in

[3:23:10] Voice 5: that matter oh so so there is someone on the island who can do this work um there's also

[3:23:17] Voice 5: people in the gulf islands that can do it as well so all it takes is a little bit of money

[3:23:23] Voice 5: and we we have um just we were able to um quote the the new data logger um near a closer town

[3:23:34] Voice 5: at the hall and yeah the it's between two and three thousand dollars depending on what type of

[3:23:42] Voice 5: of gear you get but yeah

[3:23:44] Voice 18: okay and and just I'll just say one thing I hear you Planner Smith and

[3:23:50] Voice 18: there's sometimes discomfort about this but I can tell you I did an application on I was

[3:23:55] Voice 18: chairing an application on Gabriola where we where the LTC told the applicant they would not give

[3:24:02] Voice 18: they would not give final reading to a the bylaw until they had their water license um and that was

[3:24:09] Voice 18: understood and agreed by the way there was no there was no pushback about that um so i'm not

[3:24:16] Voice 18: sure that we couldn't do the same thing here or something similar and just say look we're just

[3:24:22] Voice 18: making it clear we're not prepared to give adoption of a bylaw until we know you've got a water

[3:24:27] Voice 18: license i

[3:24:28] Planner: think what what some in the community would say though is that well water license

[3:24:34] Planner: approval doesn't necessarily consider all those other ocp aspects that oh

[3:24:39] Voice 18: i agree it's just one

[3:24:40] Voice 18: piece i

[3:24:41] Planner: agree yeah it is a really useful piece i agree chair rudders it is from from to have those

[3:24:46] Planner: provincial experts look at that information and come to their conclusions i feel i is my view

[3:24:51] Planner: that that is a really uh important and uh useful piece of information to consider

[3:24:56] Voice 18: okay so i've got

[3:24:57] Voice 18: i'd like to come back because it's moving towards four o'clock and and ask trustees what would you

[3:25:02] Voice 18: like to do at this stage uh what do you want to do anything do you want to do some of the motions

[3:25:08] Voice 18: do you want to ask for further information how would you like to see yeah trust you over uh i

[3:25:14] Voice 10: would like to take a five minute break okay

[3:25:17] Voice 18: but uh i wanna can we just make it five minutes please

[3:25:21] Voice 18: and be back right just right after five four o'clock because I'm conscious of the fact we

[3:25:26] Voice 18: have a number of staff who have to leave shortly after five okay thank

[3:25:30] Voice 15: you very much we'll come

[3:25:31] Voice 15: back in five minutes yeah sorry trustee Rockefeller were you speaking to me or someone else just

[3:27:51] Voice 15: talking to myself okay thank you trustee Rockefeller um

[3:28:21] Voice 8: yeah so I'm prepared to move forward with the

[3:28:23] Voice 8: application I just not sure how best to do it considering there is more water information

[3:28:29] Voice 8: and some more questions, so I just wanted to say that.

[3:28:36] Voice 17: Okay,

[3:28:37] Voice 18: Trustee Wolverton, do you have anything?

[3:28:41] Voice 18: I mean, I can make suggestions,

[3:28:42] Voice 18: but I'd like you to drive this process if possible.

[3:28:51] Voice 15: I can't hear you, I can't hear you.

[3:28:54] Voice 10: I would like to see us schedule

[3:28:58] Voice 10: a community information meeting,

[3:29:01] Voice 10: and that the applicant work on these matters,

[3:29:09] Voice 10: prior to that.

[3:29:10] Voice 10: And so that at the community information meeting,

[3:29:13] Voice 10: we have the information about the water management plan,

[3:29:17] Voice 10: the section 19 covenant,

[3:29:19] Voice 10: the CRD's position on the emergency access,

[3:29:25] Voice 10: they've already talked about the additional 60%

[3:29:27] Voice 10: of protection, but those things are all clearly,

[3:29:35] Voice 10: they've come to a position where

[3:29:37] Voice 10: where that information is concluded.

[3:29:42] Voice 18: Okay, so which is sort of where you get to

[3:29:47] Voice 18: for the CIM that precedes the public hearing.

[3:29:51] Voice 18: So let me just make sure I understand

[3:29:53] Voice 18: what you're proposing in terms of a step through.

[3:30:00] Voice 18: uh there there are some questions related to the draft bylaws that aren't related to the issues

[3:30:07] Voice 18: that you raised and in fact aren't really the and you know the section 219 covenant the water issue

[3:30:14] Voice 18: the the emergency manager none of those relate to the bylaws

[3:30:18] Voice 14: uh

[3:30:19] Voice 18: if you could give them first

[3:30:22] Voice 18: reading today and take them in the way they are and then we could work on them later or you could

[3:30:27] Voice 18: not give them first reading today uh and just let them sit there and draft form uh i'm hearing you

[3:30:34] Voice 18: say you want a community i know so you're talking about a a community a cim that's that would

[3:30:40] Voice 18: normally be the one that precedes the public hearing are you talking about another cim

[3:30:46] Voice 18: in addition to the uh the one that would come before the public hearing a

[3:30:51] Voice 10: cim that's separate

[3:30:52] Voice 10: and i think that's i mean in in the the correspondence i mean certainly there is a

[3:30:59] Voice 10: request that that happened and i and i i like personally i like to see them separated

[3:31:06] Voice 10: in a complex situation and many of the many

[3:31:09] Voice 10: of the things we deal with are fine yeah thank you

[3:31:13] Voice 18: and i'm totally all over that i think you even if you were doing a cim that was tied to the public

[3:31:18] Voice 18: hearing you would separate them by a week or two or try and do something like that but i hear you

[3:31:24] Voice 18: saying you want to have a another middle one before we get to the final public hearing because

[3:31:31] Voice 18: the public hearing um is on the bylaws yes and the information around the seventh section 219 covenant

[3:31:40] Voice 18: is part of the the package that we would look at etc in terms of and all the reports but they're

[3:31:47] Voice 18: are on the bylaws. I know.

[3:31:49] Voice 18: So are you anticipating then you would have three CIMs, one we've already

[3:31:56] Voice 18: had, one in the middle and another one just before the public hearing?

[3:31:59] Voice 10: That's possible.

[3:32:01] Voice 10: Or a CIM that is, you know, separated from the public hearing so that we have a chance to

[3:32:09] Voice 10: make sure that we have all that we need.

[3:32:14] Voice 18: All right. So and what do you want to do with the

[3:32:16] Voice 18: bylaws in the meantime?

[3:32:18] Voice 10: Just let them sit.

[3:32:21] Voice 18: Trustee Rockefeller?

[3:32:24] Voice 8: So if we do first reading we can

[3:32:26] Voice 8: still amend the bylaws. Oh yeah. Yeah well then I'd propose that we do first reading because

[3:32:32] Voice 8: then we have something to work with at the CIM and we can still amend the bylaws and receive

[3:32:38] Voice 8: all the new information and we haven't had an obvious stopping point otherwise we would stop

[3:32:44] Voice 8: up today and we are still moving forward which would mean this will put the bylaws into discussion

[3:32:52] Voice 8: and amendment potential amendment phase i

[3:32:58] Voice 20: i'm

[3:33:00] Voice 10: i'm okay with that i mean i i just

[3:33:03] Voice 10: there's still a lot of work to happen before i would consider this for um consider passing

[3:33:11] Voice 10: these bylaws or

[3:33:14] Voice 18: oh and i'll just speak for myself i think there's a lot of work to be done

[3:33:17] Voice 18: before i would consider even instructing a public hearing to be scheduled okay i don't that's my

[3:33:23] Voice 18: personal view i just don't think we're there yet and i don't want to do that until i can

[3:33:27] Voice 18: until i can and be happy that that the for example the trust policy statement checklist that i i

[3:33:34] Voice 18: could pass a motion that i agree that if they've all been satisfied and uh i'm not sure i'm there

[3:33:41] Voice 18: there yet um well I know I'm not I'm personally not there although you two can overrule me um

[3:33:47] Voice 18: and uh and say that but um okay so so I guess just generally then um I'll just state if you

[3:33:59] Voice 18: want to do that I'll just state that you know I've thought a lot about the commentary about

[3:34:03] Voice 18: whether this should be in the economic zone or whether it should be where uh that's being

[3:34:07] Voice 18: proposed by a planner smith and i i'm still thinking about that but i'm actually quite

[3:34:12] Voice 18: comfortable be it with it where it is placed at least for the time being until i'm i'm proof

[3:34:19] Voice 18: unless i'm you know i i can be convinced to the contrary that it should be in the economic zone

[3:34:25] Voice 18: and i know that has a an impact that if it's in the commercial zone it it puts a new set of

[3:34:30] Voice 18: considerations about about access etc etc and that's that's one of the concerns is that i think

[3:34:37] Voice 18: you know is is appropriately raised that if you do that then they have to be on a major highway

[3:34:41] Voice 18: and have access or major whatever it's called a major or minor road and and so that's that's

[3:34:48] Voice 18: a legitimate concern but i actually think it fits more with the the learning center the the film

[3:34:55] Voice 18: school and the and the and the churches than it does with with a commercial development that's

[3:35:01] Voice 18: just my view so

[3:35:04] Voice 8: trustee

[3:35:06] Voice 18: rockwell i

[3:35:07] Voice 8: also think because it offers education that it

[3:35:12] Voice 8: if we're talking about precedent setting which is always one of my thinking always part of my

[3:35:19] Voice 8: thoughts is that um by keeping it in community facility which it actually fits better under

[3:35:27] Voice 8: then should another rezoning come up like this it would they would have to also argue that they

[3:35:33] Voice 8: offer a community benefit in the way of some kind of education or like the my lord center has a

[3:35:41] Voice 8: environmental education this has spiritual education you'd have to press another application

[3:35:47] Voice 8: into providing that education on somewhat of a non-profit basis so i'm comfortable with them

[3:35:53] Voice 8: under that heading um

[3:35:56] Voice 18: all i'll say i will say i think there's a couple of amendments to be made

[3:36:00] Voice 18: the parking as i read it on page 41 in the bylaw only requires one parking space per three sleeping

[3:36:07] Voice 18: huts i think that you tell me that's been amended to be probably be one parking spark per every

[3:36:14] Voice 18: sleeping hut is that is that what the new proposal is sorry

[3:36:17] Voice 15: just

[3:36:29] Planner: jumping screen to screen um so

[3:36:32] Planner: So following the bylaws presented, yes, that amendment wasn't caught in this draft changes,

[3:36:41] Planner: but that should be amended.

[3:36:43] Planner: And then that would be consistent with a more appropriate section of the part 14 of the

[3:36:50] Planner: land use bylaw.

[3:36:52] Voice 18: So can I suggest two things that need to happen if the trustees are willing to take these

[3:36:59] Voice 18: as a bylaw or three things one is we should have a motion to get it to get information about the

[3:37:06] Voice 18: language around non-profit basis and whether that's acceptable the second is to amend the

[3:37:11] Voice 18: parking and the third is uh to uh have a close look at the the definition of retreat user although

[3:37:19] Voice 18: i think i think we got some clarity around that um uh yeah and a

[3:37:27] Voice 8: couple more would be

[3:37:29] Voice 8: maintain the forest cover by covenant the possibility um amending the naming of the

[3:37:34] Voice 8: zoning to change the word from retreat to education and uh getting monitoring on the well

[3:37:40] Voice 8: okay

[3:37:40] Voice 18: so two of those three aren't bylaw things but we can talk

[3:37:44] Voice 18: about this one is the bylaw which

[3:37:46] Voice 18: is changing the name but let's if you're going to give this first we want to give this first

[3:37:50] Voice 18: reading let's get the motion uh some motions on on what we want to do with the bylaws before we

[3:37:58] Voice 15: give

[3:37:58] Voice 18: them first reading and then we'll come back to the monitoring and the the other

[3:38:03] Voice 15: one okay and

[3:38:04] Voice 18: i i have to raise one other thing that's been bothering me i i i i wonder about restrictions

[3:38:12] Voice 18: on day use um i mean i know there's no one else has that kind of restriction anywhere on the island

[3:38:20] Voice 18: but nobody else has this zoning either uh i mean it's unique on all sides and i i guess

[3:38:28] Voice 18: I'm not saying they would, but I wouldn't want to see that scenario where 200 people showed up

[3:38:34] Voice 18: there for the day. And I'm concerned about that because of the impact on the community. I mean,

[3:38:41] Voice 18: it's one thing to have a clear understanding of what the impact of 25 people is, where their

[3:38:46] Voice 18: parking is on and they're keeping to their property presuming they are. It's another thing

[3:38:51] Voice 18: if all of a sudden on a day use there's a celebration that all of a sudden 150 or 200

[3:38:56] Voice 18: hundred people are are invited to show up um so that's a concern of mine that i'd like to find

[3:39:03] Voice 18: some way to put some language in here that addresses that as well yeah i

[3:39:07] Voice 10: mean i think

[3:39:10] Voice 10: that's that's a little tricky one how how would you monitor it but also i mean the millard center

[3:39:16] Voice 10: just had the walk along with several hundred people um the other day so you know i mean maybe

[3:39:24] Voice 10: I guess you could say the walk-along only happens once a year I mean you could you could come up

[3:39:31] Voice 10: with language that talked about how many times a year you could have a large group I I guess

[3:39:37] Voice 10: I don't

[3:39:38] Voice 18: know or you could or you could say if you want to exceed your normal retreat

[3:39:41] Voice 18: participants you got to apply for a temporary use permit yeah yeah

[3:39:45] Voice 18: and and then and then we

[3:39:48] Voice 18: can have a little public commentary that says you know I don't want 50 cars packed that parked down

[3:39:54] Voice 18: Davina Drive as people come to this thing yeah blah blah blah or something like that to lessen

[3:40:00] Voice 18: the impact of that I mean part of the issue here in my mind is of course is this is not like the

[3:40:09] Voice 18: Millard Center where you're coming off a major road and you're sort of separate from everybody

[3:40:12] Voice 18: your driveway is right there you have to go by all of the the neighbors to get to this place

[3:40:18] Voice 18: yeah

[3:40:19] Voice 10: but i mean during the walk along we had cars parked down

[3:40:23] Voice 10: earlier pass as well as on the property itself so you know yeah

[3:40:30] Voice 20: anyway

[3:40:30] Voice 20: i like

[3:40:32] Voice 10: the temporary use permit idea

[3:40:35] Voice 18: i'm going to suggest this that we sort of incorporate those

[3:40:38] Voice 18: few changes um uh that we know we want to make uh and then ask for the staff to look at a few

[3:40:47] Voice 18: other thing um uh so if we could if we could move that the um that the the the bylaws be amended by

[3:41:01] Voice 18: updating the numbering uh in 8.7 and what was the other one i wanted a

[3:41:11] Voice 8: parking oh yeah and update

[3:41:15] Voice 18: to update the parking requirements

[3:41:17] Voice 18: to the current number of 25, I heard the number.

[3:41:26] Voice 10: Yes.

[3:41:28] Voice 18: So I'd make those motions that bylaw 257

[3:41:35] Voice 18: be amended to update the numbering in section 8.7

[3:41:42] Voice 18: and to amend the parking requirements to 8.7.2.

[3:41:50] Voice 18: nine it looks like or eight no 8.7.12 uh to uh provide for

[3:41:58] Voice 19: 25 parking spots okay so that's the

[3:42:03] Voice 18: first okay so that's inside move did you get that carly i'm sorry i know you're usually way ahead

[3:42:08] Voice 18: of me but did you get that yes

[3:42:09] Planner: i did i got it thanks yeah uh

[3:42:12] Planner: can i just point really should be

[3:42:15] Planner: one parking space per hut and two for residential use so really they only need 24 they're proposing

[3:42:22] Planner: 25 but that's how the bylaw would be crafted would be one parking space per hut or tent platform

[3:42:28] Planner: and two which conforms to 14.1 for the residential

[3:42:33] Voice 18: so then let's end that say 8.6.12 be amended to

[3:42:37] Voice 18: provide for a one parking space per hot or tent platform yeah

[3:42:43] Voice 12: okay

[3:42:46] Voice 18: as opposed to the 25 number

[3:42:49] Voice 12: yeah yeah

[3:42:49] Voice 18: okay so i've got that moved that's been seconded carly's got that i'm sure all is there

[3:42:54] Voice 18: any discussion about adam those amendments to the 257 okay so i'll call the question all in favor

[3:43:01] Voice 18: so that passes unanimously um now uh i think the next thing we need to do if there's some

[3:43:08] Voice 18: some things you'd like the staff to investigate

[3:43:11] Voice 18: related to the by-law that this is where we do.

[3:43:15] Voice 18: Oh, you wanted to amend something too.

[3:43:17] Voice 18: Yeah.

[3:43:19] Voice 8: I wanted to make a motion to amend the naming of the zone

[3:43:22] Voice 8: to change the word from retreat to education.

[3:43:25] Voice 18: Is that in the OCP or in the by-law?

[3:43:29] Voice 18: It

[3:43:29] Planner: would just, it would be amending the,

[3:43:31] Planner: to remove the word retreat from the zone name.

[3:43:47] Voice 19: I'm sorry, I'm trying to find it.

[3:43:51] Planner: under at the very beginning it's called crystal mountain spiritual education retreat zone

[3:43:59] Planner: the amendment there's it's not in red uh but the amendment would be to remove

[3:44:05] Planner: retreat the word retreat from the 8.7 title under for 2.2 okay

[3:44:13] Voice 18: so this is in the bylaw

[3:44:14] Voice 18: yes not the land use bylaw not the okay correct uh oh i said crystal mountain spiritual education

[3:44:22] Voice 18: zone okay so

[3:44:24] Voice 18: we've got a motion to amend 2.2 uh and the name under 8.7 to read crystal mountain

[3:44:32] Voice 18: spiritual education zone okay okay any discussion okay all in favor that passes and i would um

[3:44:45] Voice 18: Well, I just want to ask, make a motion to request staff to investigate Section

[3:45:00] Voice 17: 1D

[3:45:05] Voice 18: of the Bylaw 256 and give recommendations regarding...

[3:45:14] Voice 18: If that's lawful.

[3:45:16] Planner: Yeah, if that's lawful.

[3:45:17] Planner: Mm-hmm.

[3:45:18] Planner: Okay.

[3:45:18] Planner: Okay, and is. So what I'm hearing is that LTC would like that policy there if it is lawful, or at least, well,

[3:45:33] Voice 18: you can report back.

[3:45:35] Voice 18: Sure. Okay, so I think that's been, I think that I made that motion I think it's been seconded by trustee Rockefeller, I didn't think it's our any discussion related to that.

[3:45:44] Voice 18: Okay, so I'll call that motion. Are there any other changes? Are there any other changes to the OCP or land use bylaw before any motions to read?

[3:45:56] Planner: There is the one above that amending residents to retreat users. I don't think we passed a motion for that yet.

[3:46:04] Planner: Where is that?

[3:46:05] Planner: in section one of the uh ocp spiritual education objective through the replacement of the word

[3:46:17] Planner: residents with retreat users but

[3:46:19] Voice 18: it's here with the with the it's in red with mine yeah but it's

[3:46:25] Planner: you don't have a proposal that's a suggested amendment from staff so you need to you need to

[3:46:33] Planner: uh resolve to make that change

[3:46:37] Voice 12: um

[3:46:41] Voice 18: okay i mean i thought that if we see it like this that's the

[3:46:46] Voice 18: what's being put before us you need you we know we want you want us to pass a motion to amend

[3:46:51] Voice 18: residents to retreat use it

[3:46:53] Planner: well i guess it's uh i guess if uh i guess uh or you you or the

[3:47:01] Planner: if you give it first rating it would be as amended right yeah i think uh okay

[3:47:07] Voice 15: okay so

[3:47:08] Planner: so so the direction for uh below in 1d though you're not you you want to keep that if

[3:47:17] Planner: you give it first reading with more advice for potential changes thank you

[3:47:22] Voice 20: exactly so we're just

[3:47:23] Voice 18: looking for advice yeah

[3:47:24] Planner: thanks okay

[3:47:26] Voice 18: so is there any other changes to the ocp or the audience file

[3:47:29] Voice 18: if not if you're prepared to give it first reading just to receive it um so that we can look at it

[3:47:35] Voice 18: some more carefully then i'm i'm open to a motion okay

[3:47:39] Voice 8: i'll move uh that the galliano island local

[3:47:45] Voice 8: trust committee bylaw number 256 cited is the galliano island official community plan bylaw

[3:47:51] Voice 8: number 108 1995 amendment number 1 2016 be read a first time as amended as

[3:47:59] Voice 8: amended i know i thought

[3:48:00] Voice 8: But I wasn't sure if that one or the land use by-law,

[3:48:02] Voice 8: sorry, as amended.

[3:48:04] Voice 18: Yeah.

[3:48:06] Voice 18: Okay, so that's seconded.

[3:48:08] Voice 18: So any further discussion related to that?

[3:48:12] Voice 18: No, all in favor?

[3:48:15] Voice 18: And that

[3:48:16] Voice 20: passes and there's a second motion there.

[3:48:22] Voice 19: Hope someone want to make that.

[3:48:24] Voice 8: Oh, sorry,

[3:48:24] Voice 8: I didn't, yeah.

[3:48:24] Voice 8: That the Galleon Island Local Trust Committee by-law

[3:48:26] Voice 8: number 257, cited as Galleon Island land use by-law

[3:48:30] Voice 8: number 127, 1999, amendment number one, 2016,

[3:48:33] Voice 8: to be read a first time as amended.

[3:48:36] Voice 18: Okay, that's seconded, all in favor.

[3:48:41] Voice 18: And I just need to reiterate,

[3:48:43] Voice 18: first reading is just first reading.

[3:48:45] Voice 20: We have

[3:48:46] Voice 18: lots of opportunities to amend,

[3:48:48] Voice 18: to do things going forward.

[3:48:51] Voice 18: You've heard us talk about that.

[3:48:55] Voice 18: Okay, what other motions?

[3:48:56] Voice 18: I think you wanted to direct a community from,

[3:49:00] Voice 18: oh yes, Trustee Rockefeller.

[3:49:01] Voice 18: um

[3:49:02] Voice 8: i was just wanting to um there was just a couple things that we were looking to include

[3:49:08] Voice 8: in the covenant or to to investigate whether they could be included and that was the possibility of

[3:49:14] Voice 8: maintaining a percentage of forest cover by covenant okay so

[3:49:20] Voice 8: maybe i'd make a resolution

[3:49:21] Voice 8: that we uh the ltcs staff to investigate the possibility of maintaining forest cover a

[3:49:29] Voice 8: percentage of forest cover by covenant okay i

[3:49:34] Voice 18: think you're talking about are you talking about

[3:49:35] Voice 18: 60 there's 60 that's

[3:49:38] Voice 8: i think i didn't want to put a number in case that's not what the

[3:49:41] Voice 8: or uh ecological assessment advisor would recommend um but i mean 60 would be great

[3:49:50] Voice 18: okay um so uh could you read that back carly sure

[3:49:56] Voice 9: that the galliano island ltc asks staff

[3:49:59] Voice 9: to investigate the possibility of maintaining a percentage of forest cover by covenant?

[3:50:04] Voice 18: Can we make a, Mr. Trustee Rockefeller, I mean I would think that'd be an important part of the

[3:50:10] Voice 18: covenant. So I might want to say ask staff to develop a covenant that provides for a legal

[3:50:20] Voice 18: percentage of the thing because that seems to me to be the way forward. I don't think it's

[3:50:27] Voice 18: investigate the possibility I think that's going to be one of our requirements isn't it

[3:50:31] Voice 18: yeah

[3:50:31] Voice 8: I just I did speak with the planner about it before the meeting and I just wanted to ensure

[3:50:36] Voice 8: there was actually um a method to enforce all right

[3:50:40] Voice 8: okay

[3:50:41] Voice 18: fair enough then we got a motion it's

[3:50:44] Voice 18: been seconded any further discussion uh all in favor that passes unanimously other things

[3:50:51] Voice 18: you want to talk about water yeah

[3:50:53] Voice 8: do you think that the monitoring of wells even if we're

[3:50:56] Voice 8: moving out of the dry season is important and i i would like to um move that we request a data logger

[3:51:03] Voice 8: on a well um to be monitored continually because it could provide information into the future

[3:51:11] Voice 18: okay so so is that on the uh the well they're going to use or on the observation well

[3:51:17] Voice 18: on

[3:51:17] Voice 10: the observation well i think

[3:51:20] Voice 10: clarence

[3:51:21] Voice 18: smith so

[3:51:22] Planner: can i just say that there would be no drawdown

[3:51:25] Planner: until they're actually using water so any monitoring of uh of uh neighboring or or

[3:51:33] Planner: monitoring wells would not be measuring any interference from this well as it's only

[3:51:40] Planner: proposed use so if you're if you're interested in the source well and the dot the and installing a

[3:51:49] Planner: data logger to understand its water head level over time i guess that's the information that

[3:51:57] Planner: would be more relevant at this time i would think william uh

[3:52:03] Voice 5: yep i would recommend that the source

[3:52:06] Voice 5: well be monitored starting as soon as possible and then into the indefinite future of the development

[3:52:12] Voice 5: and

[3:52:13] Planner: we'll ensure that the water management plan has those requirements built into it

[3:52:18] Planner: and those would be inserted as conditions of covenant i guess the question around water is

[3:52:24] Planner: is this monitoring for use going forward or is it monitoring or is it monitoring to understand

[3:52:32] Planner: and uh availability prior to considering approval those are that's a fundamental question so if

[3:52:44] Voice 1: you're considering

[3:52:44] Planner: monitoring data for approval then that either needs to be done right away and

[3:52:52] Planner: or we might already be have missed the best window of information right i

[3:52:58] Voice 5: i think it can be both and

[3:52:59] Voice 5: And also we're in the driest groundwater time right now.

[3:53:04] Voice 5: So it'll catch the low period

[3:53:05] Voice 5: and we'll be able to see how reactive the system is

[3:53:12] Voice 5: to recharge from the winter rains

[3:53:14] Voice 5: because we know

[3:53:15] Voice 5: when it rains.

[3:53:16] Voice 5: But one last thing is that

[3:53:19] Voice 5: if an observation well is also monitored,

[3:53:23] Voice 5: that's the only way to determine the storage capacity

[3:53:27] Voice 5: capacity of an aquifer is to have two monitoring locations door to each other so

[3:53:37] Voice 8: there'd need to

[3:53:37] Voice 8: be a data logger on both wells if

[3:53:40] Voice 5: if that's the case and then when the if there's another pump

[3:53:44] Voice 5: test or when it starts operating or even just by identifying the change between them um it's

[3:53:50] Voice 5: possible to back calculate the storativity of an aquifer from one data logger point that's not

[3:53:58] Voice 5: not possible i

[3:53:59] Voice 15: see so

[3:54:06] Voice 20: okay

[3:54:07] Voice 18: that's for that's new news that i thought data logger on one well was

[3:54:13] Voice 18: useful information it

[3:54:15] Voice 5: is very useful information fundamental information all i was saying is that

[3:54:20] Voice 5: when you have a pumping test or if there's if there's drawdown on a well by observing the

[3:54:27] Voice 5: impact to another well you can determine well a hydrogeologist can determine the storativity

[3:54:32] Voice 5: of an aquifer which is just one parameter the majority of the parameters can be found just by

[3:54:37] Voice 5: looking at one data logger and also just by looking at the water table fluctuations over

[3:54:43] Voice 5: time from one data logger that helps then calibrate water budgets so one data logger is

[3:54:50] Voice 5: like 85 percent of the value of two if that makes sense

[3:54:57] Voice 12: okay

[3:54:58] Voice 18: so all right we have a motion uh could you read it back please carly or whatever you got okay

[3:55:05] Voice 9: i got that the galliano island ltc requests that the applicants put a data logger into the source

[3:55:10] Voice 9: well starting as soon as possible into the indefinite future is

[3:55:15] Voice 18: that which emotion you

[3:55:17] Voice 18: wish to make trustee rockefeller yeah

[3:55:18] Voice 8: okay

[3:55:20] Voice 18: so that's been moved is there a seconder

[3:55:22] Voice 18: okay is there any further discussion yeah planet smith um

[3:55:26] Planner: i think either in this motion or in a

[3:55:30] Planner: future motion it would be also good to understand what uh what you want to do with that information

[3:55:35] Planner: and whether you want a report after this district or the recharge period here to

[3:55:40] Planner: how further inform your uh your rezoning decision or um whether you uh yeah well what if we mode

[3:55:52] Voice 18: I'm adding the motion that says, and the data from that be provided to the LTC at an appropriate time.

[3:55:58] Planner: I would say be summarized by a professional hydrogeologist following the recharge period or something along those lines.

[3:56:12] Planner: Anyways, William, I'll let the expert talk.

[3:56:15] Voice 5: There's two different ways to look at this.

[3:56:16] Voice 5: One's called monitoring and recording.

[3:56:19] Voice 5: The other one's monitoring and reporting.

[3:56:20] Voice 5: So, if the LTC chooses monitoring and recording, that means that there's a professionally installed data logger and it just gets downloaded from time to time. The LTC can call upon that data if they wish.

[3:56:34] Voice 5: Monitoring and reporting is what Planner Smith was saying, that there's a monitoring period and they get a hydrogeologist to come in and report on it at a cost. So, those are two different things.

[3:56:45] Voice 5: Thanks. Yeah, Trustee Rockwell.

[3:56:48] Voice 8: I was intending for the monitoring and reporting option.

[3:56:53] Planner: So then I think a clear resolution so that there's no ambiguity as to what and when your expectations are for information to be delivered back would be good.

[3:57:04] Planner: Okay,

[3:57:04] Voice 8: so that it would be installed immediately for Infinity, but then also to report back upon recharge of the aquifer, like our other applications.

[3:57:16] Voice 8: yeah similar wording yeah

[3:57:20] Voice 5: so i think i think uh i'm not sure about the timing for the ltc so just

[3:57:24] Voice 5: take this as an opinion that um looking at recharge and looking at stabilize will probably

[3:57:29] Voice 5: be at the end of the calendar year yeah

[3:57:32] Voice 15: okay okay

[3:57:35] Voice 18: so how about we report back at the by the end of

[3:57:37] Voice 18: the calendar year for

[3:57:39] Voice 8: january or by january to

[3:57:42] Voice 18: include the end of the calendar year yeah right

[3:57:44] Voice 18: Right. By January. Okay. So Carly, I know that's been a bit awkward, but have you got that sort of

[3:57:51] Voice 18: piece together?

[3:57:55] Voice 9: Let's see that the Galliano LTC requested the applicants put a data logger into

[3:58:00] Voice 9: the source while starting as soon as possible into the indefinite future and to report upon

[3:58:04] Voice 9: recharge of the aquifer at the end of the calendar year.

[3:58:09] Voice 18: No, by January of 2022. I think

[3:58:14] Voice 18: that's what we settled on thanks

[3:58:17] Voice 8: carly yeah

[3:58:19] Voice 18: okay so that's been moved i think you trustee wolverton

[3:58:22] Voice 18: you were going to second that is that correct okay um so there's no other concerns i wonder

[3:58:29] Planner: if that should be even more clear to say but a report by a professional hydrogeologist

[3:58:37] Voice 15: yeah yeah because we can't interpret that data okay that's been amended um

[3:58:53] Voice 18: Mayor Mrakas, Okay, so we've got that wording in there as well, so if that's acceptable to everybody that we've got that wording in there as well, and i'll consider that the motion moved and seconded and i'll call the vote all in favor unless someone wants to speak to it all right now okay other emotions.

[3:59:19] Voice 8: Do I need to make a motion to make sure, I just didn't know if the observation well that applicants offered to include has been actually included in the application.

[3:59:32] Planner: We'll make sure that it's included in the water management plan.

[3:59:35] Voice 8: Okay, so I don't need to make a motion to that effect.

[3:59:37] Voice 8: Okay,

[3:59:38] Planner: then that could be captured some other way I think they would register it in some way.

[3:59:45] Voice 18: yeah you're going to bring as i understand the water management plan which i just glanced at

[3:59:49] Voice 18: now because it came you're going to bring a report on that okay yeah other other motions

[3:59:54] Voice 18: trustee wolverine or trustee rockefeller you got your hand up again did i make

[4:00:00] Voice 8: motion for the forest cover i did i just didn't cross it off my list right okay sorry um and did

[4:00:05] Voice 8: we need to make a did we need to further define retreat users or we did we did we did we figure

[4:00:13] Voice 8: that was satisfactory it's

[4:00:18] Planner: up to ltc in my view the language around limiting commercial

[4:00:22] Planner: commercial um but you could add language in there uh typically stays three to six months

[4:00:30] Planner: and is a registered participant or something like that you could add there too but i think

[4:00:39] Planner: i

[4:00:40] Voice 8: just didn't know if we'd um if if h.r rogers was satisfied with that

[4:00:45] Voice 8: that

[4:00:46] Planner: is that is what you could consider some kind of simple amendment to

[4:00:50] Planner: to further define a retreat user to be, you know, a registered guest or I wouldn't say paid because

[4:00:59] Planner: they might not always be paying but say

[4:01:03] Voice 10: up to six months. So yeah,

[4:01:07] Planner: but right after that, you could

[4:01:08] Planner: say and as a registered participant in a program or what

[4:01:16] Voice 18: and can you help me find the definition

[4:01:18] Voice 18: of retreat user?

[4:01:19] Planner: It's in the bottom of the land use bylaw, the three definitions of retreat user

[4:01:25] Planner: user uh tent platform and sleeping hut i've

[4:01:31] Voice 17: got 10 platform sleeping hut and spiritual education

[4:01:34] Voice 17: retreat uh

[4:01:36] Planner: that's where it speaks to the what a retreat user is in a sense there's no definition

[4:01:42] Planner: of a retreat user per se i

[4:01:44] Voice 17: see well we could ask you to draft one or

[4:01:48] Planner: you could do that or you could

[4:01:49] Planner: uh the simplest yes you could either uh yeah that's an option you could either

[4:01:55] Planner: to either define a retreat user or more simply, perhaps.

[4:02:01] Voice 18: I think that would be a good thing to do.

[4:02:04] Voice 18: We asked the staff to draft

[4:02:06] Voice 18: a definition of retreat user

[4:02:08] Voice 18: consistent with our discussion today.

[4:02:15] Voice 18: What do you two think about that?

[4:02:18] Voice 18: Or a definition of retreat user

[4:02:21] Voice 18: consistent with the consideration

[4:02:23] Voice 18: of the that we raised in our discussion at this meeting?

[4:02:27] Voice 18: okay so i'll make that motion is there a seconder okay uh any further discussion all in favor that

[4:02:37] Voice 18: passes and that so that'll come back as a potential amendment at a later date we don't

[4:02:41] Voice 18: necessarily we'll have a look at anything else that before we uh there must be some other i'm

[4:02:47] Voice 18: sure that trustee wolverton do you have some motions you'd like to make based on what you

[4:02:52] Voice 18: you said at the outset?

[4:02:54] Voice 10: No, I think it's, I think I'm fine.

[4:02:58] Voice 18: Okay, but just so we're clear,

[4:03:01] Voice 18: your intention would be to arrange at some point

[4:03:04] Voice 18: another community information meeting

[4:03:07] Voice 18: when we have some more of this information,

[4:03:09] Voice 18: this data when the section 219 covenant is ready,

[4:03:13] Voice 18: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[4:03:14] Voice 10: And the CRD emergency access.

[4:03:18] Voice 18: Well, I'm gonna suggest we should pass six and seven

[4:03:23] Voice 18: and uh because those are um um those are things that could be worked on now what I don't think

[4:03:33] Voice 18: we want to do is schedule a public hearing we're not or our CIM yet or to or to uh I'm not ready

[4:03:42] Voice 18: to agree that the trust policy statement has been corrective checklist but I think six and seven

[4:03:47] Voice 18: should be passed myself yeah

[4:03:50] Voice 8: I agree because then we can start working on those and have them ready

[4:03:53] Voice 8: for TAM.

[4:03:55] Voice 19: Okay, so who wants to make six?

[4:03:58] Voice 8: I'll move that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[4:04:01] Voice 8: direct the applicant to draft a suitably worded land title act section 219 covenant that reflects

[4:04:06] Voice 8: the required conditions of a rezoning prior to the public hearing.

[4:04:11] Voice 18: Yeah, that's fine. I mean,

[4:04:13] Voice 8: it's not saying we're having a public hearing.

[4:04:16] Voice 18: Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay.

[4:04:18] Voice 18: Okay. So that's been

[4:04:20] Voice 18: It's been moved and seconded.

[4:04:21] Voice 18: Okay, all in favor of any discussion

[4:04:24] Voice 18: related to that motion passes, thank you.

[4:04:26] Voice 18: And then another motion.

[4:04:29] Voice 10: I can do that.

[4:04:30] Voice 10: That the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[4:04:34] Voice 10: direct the applicant to register an emergency access

[4:04:37] Voice 10: right of way that is granted to and acceptable

[4:04:39] Voice 10: to Capital Regional District prior to the public hearing.

[4:04:45] Voice 18: Okay, that's been moved and seconded.

[4:04:48] Voice 18: All in favor?

[4:04:50] Voice 18: Okay, so that's the emergency access, that's the section 219 covenant, we've done the bylaws,

[4:05:00] Voice 18: anything else on this?

[4:05:02] Voice 18: That's a lot.

[4:05:05] Voice 18: Okay, well, thank you, and thank you for all the commentary and the folks and the difficult

[4:05:13] Voice 18: considerations, there's a lot of competing interests here.

[4:05:17] Voice 18: Thank you very much for your time.

[4:05:20] Voice 18: time. Again, I'm conscious. So I think unless there's something else from Planner Smith,

[4:05:24] Voice 18: I'm going to move on. We'll see if we can do some of these others. And I apologize for

[4:05:29] Voice 18: people who've been waiting all day for their applications to be heard. Thank you to the

[4:05:37] Voice 18: applicant on that one. We're going to move on to 13.2, Gavreau, which is found at page 63 of the

[4:05:45] Voice 18: the package as well and this is a request for us to give give the bylaws third reading

[4:05:50] Voice 18: thank

[4:05:51] Voice 14: you

[4:05:55] Planner: chair rogers so in the matter of expediency i won't speak too much to the

[4:05:59] Planner: application but yes we are here seeking uh third reading and uh direction to send the bylaws for

[4:06:05] Planner: executive committee approval uh the rezoning uh the applicant has met the as you know the final

[4:06:12] Planner: to outstanding conditions with respect to driveway access and availability to obtain

[4:06:18] Planner: building permits as well as demonstrating proof of water. They've met those requirements to the

[4:06:25] Planner: satisfaction of staff. We've gone through the statutory process to waive the public hearing

[4:06:30] Planner: and now we're seeking direction today. Thanks.

[4:06:32] Voice 18: Okay. Any questions for the planner? I know

[4:06:35] Voice 18: I think Lisa was here, but I'm guessing she doesn't need to speak to it unless

[4:06:40] Voice 18: unless we have any questions for her.

[4:06:46] Voice 18: So do we have, do either trustees have questions

[4:06:48] Voice 18: for the planner or for the applicant?

[4:06:51] Voice 18: Does anybody wish to make a motion?

[4:06:55] Voice 8: Yeah, sure.

[4:06:56] Voice 8: Or Jane?

[4:06:57] Voice 8: Sure.

[4:06:58] Voice 15: Whoever, someone.

[4:06:59] Voice 15: Go ahead.

[4:07:00] Voice 8: That the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[4:07:02] Voice 8: bylaw number 271,

[4:07:04] Voice 8: cited as Galliano Island land use bylaw number 127, 1999,

[4:07:08] Voice 8: amendment number one, 2019, be read a third time.

[4:07:12] Voice 18: okay that's been seconded uh any discussion related to this

[4:07:17] Voice 18: nope all in favor that passes unanimous and there's a second

[4:07:23] Voice 18: motion i

[4:07:24] Voice 10: can do that that the galliano island local trust committee bylaw number

[4:07:28] Voice 10: 271 be forwarded to the secretary of the islands trust for executive committee approval

[4:07:34] Voice 18: okay that's been seconded any further discussion i'll just say that uh the process then is simply

[4:07:40] Voice 18: that the executive because there's no OCP amendment this the bylaws will be reviewed by

[4:07:45] Voice 18: the executive for consistency with the trust policy statement and a few other things and then

[4:07:51] Voice 18: if they approve them that it'll come back to us for adoption and then that that'll be the end of

[4:07:57] Voice 18: this um so uh i'll call the vote all in favor that passes you now thank you very much um

[4:08:05] Voice 18: Um, uh, so the next application we have, and I, I just want to do a little bit of triage

[4:08:11] Voice 18: here.

[4:08:12] Voice 18: We've got about, um, 35 minutes.

[4:08:17] Voice 18: We really have to call it a five 15, uh, is, uh, we have three things.

[4:08:23] Voice 18: We have galley giggers and the trust policy council policy statement bylaw referral for

[4:08:29] Voice 18: a response.

[4:08:31] Voice 18: Um, pardon.

[4:08:33] Voice 18: Oh, sorry.

[4:08:33] Voice 18: we have all each of those to do and i know there's recusals going on and we need to do that

[4:08:41] Voice 18: does anybody have a strong view as to which one needs to be like do you need do you feel like we

[4:08:47] Voice 18: need to get into the the trust policy statement bylaw uh discussion today um i i have a few things

[4:08:54] Voice 18: i want to say about it but um uh if you don't think so then let's just do in the order we've

[4:08:59] Voice 18: got it so could i ask you trustee rockefeller to step out for a moment while we deal with galley

[4:09:03] Voice 18: and um i saw somebody here from galley i saw barb grehan i believe oh and michael

[4:09:17] Voice 18: yeah

[4:09:18] Voice 10: so

[4:09:20] Voice 18: if you could promote uh mr hobo and i i don't know barb grehan needs to come up or not but

[4:09:26] Voice 18: um uh we'll let's have a this is as far as i can tell this is an update and uh for any decisions

[4:09:34] Voice 18: of the suggestions of the trustees.

[4:09:36] Voice 18: So-

[4:09:37] Voice 18: I think we should

[4:09:38] Voice 10: have Barb as well.

[4:09:40] Voice 18: Okay, yeah.

[4:09:41] Voice 18: Could you bring Barb Grehan?

[4:09:43] Voice 18: Is it Grehan or Grehan?

[4:09:44] Voice 18: Anyway, it doesn't matter.

[4:09:47] Voice 18: So if you could bring her over as well.

[4:09:52] Voice 18: Thank you and Dion and we'll get going.

[4:09:59] Voice 18: So this application is at page 70.

[4:10:04] Voice 12: yes thank

[4:10:09] Planner: you chair rogers um so again um just moving quickly this is a staff memo to provide

[4:10:16] Planner: an update uh on the well monitoring so at the june 1st ltc meeting ltc directed the applicant to

[4:10:24] Planner: do similar data logger monitoring to what we just discussed and that work is underway and

[4:10:32] Planner: um i need to check the previous uh uh resolution i'll do that before we leave but

[4:10:39] Planner: i think it was more clear that a report was required than uh than um the giggers one

[4:10:47] Planner: um so got the water management plan of the applications in front of us this water

[4:10:52] Planner: management plan has advanced the farthest we've provided a number of sets of detailed comments

[4:10:58] Planner: back and forth and we've met with them as well and it's staff's view that this water management plan

[4:11:04] Planner: is more or less to the point where it's finalized for review by LTC and for them to provide a review

[4:11:13] Planner: and comment on so that's some homework for LTC and they may have comments today and then they've

[4:11:19] Planner: considered the recommendations in the site plan or in the ecological assessments and they provide

[4:11:28] Planner: provided an updated site plan and that provides that information and then there's a summary

[4:11:34] Planner: of agency referrals there and they're still working on their septic design updates given

[4:11:41] Planner: the dry weather and just not go through every detail I'll just pass it back for questions

[4:11:49] Planner: from uh the ltc uh

[4:11:52] Voice 17: questions uh trustee wolverton um

[4:11:55] Voice 10: okay so i did talk with um

[4:11:58] Voice 10: freshwater specialist william shelva this morning uh about some of the um

[4:12:05] Voice 10: questions some of the concerns that i had and i think that most of them have been

[4:12:11] Voice 10: um addressed what he did say is that um because i talked about um page drive is going to be

[4:12:20] Voice 10: increase by 20 at some point that's already on the books and um whether that would have an impact

[4:12:29] Voice 10: whether this uh galley well would have an impact on that and um so there is concern about the

[4:12:39] Voice 10: commercial use in the area because there are a number of commercial water users um but that

[4:12:47] Voice 10: that as I understand it from William,

[4:12:50] Voice 10: that the domestic use is more of a problem

[4:12:52] Voice 10: and there are sort of two, pardon me?

[4:12:57] Voice 10: Oh, sorry, there are two farms in the area,

[4:13:01] Voice 10: but he was saying that the drawdown

[4:13:03] Voice 10: is still considered safe.

[4:13:05] Voice 10: Right,

[4:13:05] Planner: when I leave for soccer.

[4:13:12] Voice 10: Planner Smith, you have your,

[4:13:14] Voice 10: that's okay.

[4:13:14] Voice 10: Okay. So then the issue is, I was asking about fire storage, because 78% of the 120,000 liters is earmarked for fire storage, and I was wondering whether some of that could be done by water catchment.

[4:13:35] Voice 10: but uh in speaking with William it was clear that that's a one-time sort of uh pull from the

[4:13:45] Voice 10: from groundwater to establish that and then it then it's static unless there were a fire

[4:13:51] Voice 10: um but I still I am concerned about the um what was it makes reference to the hard

[4:14:01] Voice 10: the hard surface and I would like to look at other possibilities for the surface for the driveways

[4:14:13] Voice 10: rather than a pavement because you know the water would be directed off into a grassy

[4:14:21] Voice 10: swale but it would also take off some of the oil and that comes from cars or whatever

[4:14:28] Voice 10: ever drips out of cars. There are some things that we were unable to determine exactly what

[4:14:37] Voice 10: they referred to, and that's on page 87 of the agenda package, page 8 of the report, where it

[4:14:43] Voice 10: talks about PF1 and PF2, and I'm unclear what those are and whether they actually are anything

[4:14:54] Voice 10: Anything that I would be worried about, concerned about?

[4:14:57] Voice 10: I'm not sure.

[4:15:00] Voice 10: But I mean, I appreciate that the water management report

[4:15:05] Voice 10: has covered things pretty well.

[4:15:12] Voice 15: Are

[4:15:13] Voice 18: any of those questions for either staff Shoba

[4:15:18] Voice 18: or Flannery Smith or are they for the applicant?

[4:15:21] Voice 10: I think they're for the applicant

[4:15:22] Voice 10: because William Shoba wasn't able to,

[4:15:29] Voice 10: exactly explain what they were so maybe the applicant can okay

[4:15:34] Voice 18: so i i just have a couple

[4:15:36] Voice 18: of questions uh one is before for the staff one is um can you give me an idea of what you're

[4:15:44] Voice 18: what you think will be available for the cim planner smith uh by the time we get to october

[4:15:48] Voice 18: 2nd or again i could ask the applicant that i know we got the water management plan we got

[4:15:52] Voice 18: the other reports um i'm not sure we will we is this are we going to have drop uh will we have

[4:15:59] Voice 18: draft bylaws there for review or how are you imagining will there be a covenant available

[4:16:04] Voice 18: for review or how are you imagining this what will be ready for the second can't

[4:16:14] Voice 17: hear you brad

[4:16:15] Voice 17: you're muted the

[4:16:17] Planner: applicant hasn't had an opportunity yet to present their up their

[4:16:20] Planner: application to the community so at the outset there would just be an overview of their proposal

[4:16:27] Planner: and similar to what we've seen with Crystal Mountain

[4:16:30] Planner: and the other application that you're involved in.

[4:16:36] Planner: It would be an overview of the application,

[4:16:38] Planner: where we are in the bylaw amendment process,

[4:16:41] Planner: the draft bylaws that have been presented

[4:16:44] Planner: and received by LTC would be presented.

[4:16:47] Planner: And presumably they would have their professionals on hand

[4:16:52] Planner: to speak to their ecological assessment

[4:16:55] Planner: work as well as their uh water assessment work and um with respect to covenants uh i don't think

[4:17:06] Planner: we would be there where we'd have a covenants drafted uh with respect to all these applications

[4:17:12] Planner: and covenants i'm creating a spreadsheet of of all the different conditions that have been proposed

[4:17:19] Planner: and working through all the different proposals and a lot of the covenant conditions are similar

[4:17:24] Planner: So I think there'll be some overlap of the language

[4:17:27] Planner: that's used for a bunch of those different applications

[4:17:30] Planner: where the same thing is being sought

[4:17:31] Planner: and that's work that is proceeding now.

[4:17:35] Planner: But other than the covenants

[4:17:38] Planner: and with respect to the housing agreement,

[4:17:44] Planner: well, I think with this application,

[4:17:46] Planner: the real critical pathway for timing is in my view,

[4:17:53] Planner: this water report that you've or this water information that you've asked for the

[4:17:58] Planner: supplementary water information um and so uh that information obviously won't be available

[4:18:06] Planner: before october as well so i would see that this is it would be seen as somewhat of a preliminary

[4:18:12] Planner: cim perhaps okay first cim as this is also a complex application right

[4:18:18] Voice 18: okay thanks um

[4:18:21] Voice 18: All right, I'm going to, you see.

[4:18:27] Voice 10: You're muted again.

[4:18:29] Voice 18: The applicant to join us, invite the applicant.

[4:18:32] Voice 18: So if you want, either of you wish to turn on your,

[4:18:34] Voice 18: hi, Mr. Walden.

[4:18:39] Voice 18: So do you have any comments on the staff report

[4:18:41] Voice 18: or any updates that you'd like to provide us

[4:18:43] Voice 18: or anything you'd like to let us know

[4:18:45] Voice 18: or any reply to any of the comments

[4:18:47] Voice 18: that Trustee Wolverton?

[4:18:50] Voice 7: Well, just like in general, yeah,

[4:18:52] Voice 7: Yeah, we appreciate the staff memo

[4:18:54] Voice 7: that Brad has presented as part of the agenda package.

[4:18:59] Voice 7: And as has been commented,

[4:19:01] Voice 7: we're looking forward to the community information meeting

[4:19:04] Voice 7: and like everyone curious about whether this will be

[4:19:07] Voice 7: in-person or not, or some hybrid.

[4:19:09] Voice 7: And because of course for us, there's some implications

[4:19:12] Voice 7: about bringing our consultants in

[4:19:14] Voice 7: and also preparing visual materials and all of those things.

[4:19:17] Voice 7: So I recognize there's a lot of uncertainty around this

[4:19:21] Voice 7: but the decision about that uh you know as soon as we can get a determination about that that will

[4:19:28] Voice 7: be hopeful i i think what brad has summarized as the next steps and the um um you know the pieces

[4:19:36] Voice 7: we're working on and he was just uh mentioning uh we do have a data logger in that well it's

[4:19:42] Voice 7: been there since i think it was uh third or fourth week of june and um it's uh so the question is

[4:19:50] Voice 7: when should we uh be doing the reading on that to capture recharge or beginning of recharge so we'll

[4:19:59] Voice 7: be looking for guidance uh from uh yes brad maybe i should stop there yeah

[4:20:06] Planner: i would just i was and i

[4:20:08] Planner: didn't mean to cut you off i was just trying um what perhaps uh it would be appropriate for ltc

[4:20:13] Planner: to consider a similar resolution with respect to requiring a hydrogeologist report at the end of

[4:20:19] Planner: the calendar years uh to capture that same recharge period that uh was just discussed

[4:20:25] Planner: for crystal mountain yeah

[4:20:27] Voice 7: and i would just comment that yeah our plan is we've already

[4:20:30] Voice 7: arranged for the hydrogeologist who would do that it's just a question of when do you want that

[4:20:35] Voice 7: information collect data read and interpreted you know um i think jane may have a i would just

[4:20:45] Voice 10: I would ask William Shoba, does he have a recommended, given that it's been a longer period of time, would it be good to go till, say, December with that?

[4:21:00] Voice 5: Yeah, similar to the last application, that recharge is going to be turned on

[4:21:08] Voice 5: once the rains come. And

[4:21:10] Voice 5: to understand how the area responds to the recharge rains and

[4:21:17] Voice 5: to see the static come up is really valuable information for a hydrogeologist. So yeah,

[4:21:26] Voice 5: again I think till the end of the calendar year and reporting back and then as it the end of the

[4:21:32] Voice 5: calendar year on the coast is a really nice cut off year for for water reporting because it's just

[4:21:38] Voice 5: in the middle of the high period so

[4:21:40] Voice 12: going

[4:21:41] Voice 5: forward if there's an annual report it's just really

[4:21:43] Voice 5: simple to have a an annual report for the year yeah

[4:21:47] Voice 10: okay thank you yeah

[4:21:49] Voice 7: yeah sorry yeah no I was

[4:21:52] Voice 7: going to say I think another thing that Brad mentioned it's in his staff memo is we the septic

[4:21:58] Voice 7: engineer needs to have a real look at the land because based on the ecological assessment we're

[4:22:04] Voice 7: wanting to not in have a dispersal line in the sensitive area so we need to to hear from that

[4:22:15] Voice 7: engineer make another site visit and look at the alternative site and that

[4:22:22] Voice 7: will have implications for the type of septic system as well so that that's

[4:22:27] Voice 7: under underway I know Jane you had a question about something in the term I

[4:22:34] Voice 7: think in the water management plan was the PFS but yeah

[4:22:39] Voice 12: I'm

[4:22:40] Voice 7: not the water

[4:22:40] Voice 7: engineer who drafted this so we will go back and get clarification but I suspect

[4:22:45] Voice 7: it has to do with peak flow.

[4:22:48] Voice 10: That's what we thought, but it's a little,

[4:22:53] Voice 10: I mean, if they could just kind of put that

[4:22:55] Voice 10: into some little more accessible language.

[4:22:58] Voice 7: Yes, no, I understand.

[4:22:59] Voice 7: We'll get the definition of the terms from the engineer.

[4:23:03] Voice 7: And provide a figure. Yeah, thank you.

[4:23:05] Voice 5: Yeah, thanks, Michael.

[4:23:06] Voice 5: And also if they can add a unit,

[4:23:08] Voice 5: we would have been able to figure out

[4:23:09] Voice 5: if there was a unit in the table,

[4:23:11] Voice 5: but it just says 2.5 and four.

[4:23:13] Voice 5: So I don't, it might just be a scale factor.

[4:23:16] Voice 5: rather than

[4:23:16] Voice 5: rather than an actual flow so yeah just a little bit of language around that so we

[4:23:20] Voice 5: know what's going on yeah

[4:23:21] Voice 7: yeah we'll get we'll get that clarified thanks so were there other

[4:23:25] Voice 7: any other specific uh questions at this point and

[4:23:31] Voice 10: just the uh the road surface i guess was the one

[4:23:35] Voice 10: that i was yes

[4:23:36] Voice 7: yeah so we have i think we've discussed this before we're talking to the

[4:23:42] Voice 7: the engineers again about this there's something I believe it's called permeable asphalt and so

[4:23:49] Voice 7: we're looking into that to be the surface it wouldn't be a hard hard surface yeah yeah okay

[4:23:54] Voice 10: okay great okay

[4:23:59] Voice 18: well thank you I actually don't have any questions at this time

[4:24:04] Voice 18: I will look forward to working with you and the planner regarding the community information

[4:24:10] Voice 18: meeting i i i mean at this moment in time i it's in in person with with some sort of a hybrid

[4:24:17] Voice 18: connectivity that will have to work out i don't think the location's even been determined yet

[4:24:22] Voice 18: i could figure out so hopefully uh yeah it

[4:24:27] Planner: is currently scheduled for the south hall

[4:24:30] Planner: yeah

[4:24:31] Voice 18: yeah and

[4:24:32] Voice 18: uh thanks and so that okay a

[4:24:36] Planner: decision today might be uh most helpful

[4:24:41] Planner: even though i know you obviously want to uh try to be as nimble and play by as much as you can but

[4:24:47] Voice 21: staff and

[4:24:48] Planner: the applicant have some different type of planning to do based on uh whether it goes one

[4:24:55] Planner: way or another fair

[4:24:56] Voice 18: enough uh i guess i should have anticipated that um i mean yes i mean at

[4:25:02] Voice 18: present i think it's it's been there's been a motion to have it in person so if we wanted to

[4:25:06] Voice 18: reverse that uh we could do that if you're not comfortable without it i mean there's all sorts

[4:25:12] Voice 18: of benefits to having it uh uh virtual in the sense that people don't have to travel and

[4:25:19] Voice 18: experts don't have to travel and staff doesn't have to travel um uh even if but but uh and it's

[4:25:28] Voice 18: a community information meeting i guess i need to think about whether or not we're we need to

[4:25:33] Voice 18: provide a public gathering space for a cim as opposed to a public meeting probably not um

[4:25:41] Voice 10: just i do some um meetings with the squamish first nation and we do a hybrid so they have a big

[4:25:49] Voice 10: screen and i mean there's a little there's a little fancier but i'm wondering if we can project

[4:25:55] Voice 10: from a laptop onto a screen uh the people who would be zooming in so that

[4:26:02] Voice 18: there is i'm hopeful

[4:26:04] Voice 18: we can uh the idea is they're going to provide me as the vice chair with the equipment in order to

[4:26:10] Voice 18: hook up including a

[4:26:12] Voice 18: camera i'm not i'm not convinced they're going to provide me a projector

[4:26:16] Voice 18: projector um but they're going to provide me a camera so that we can broadcast and that people

[4:26:21] Voice 18: can come in and watch the people that are on the screen i don't know if we can project up onto a

[4:26:28] Voice 18: screen or not and that's problematic and that's because we're going to have presentations so

[4:26:33] Voice 18: i

[4:26:34] Voice 10: i have a projector that uh i don't know mike if you know i've got one of those ben ben q

[4:26:41] Voice 10: with that do

[4:26:42] Voice 7: you think that would

[4:26:42] Voice 10: work yeah

[4:26:44] Voice 7: oh yeah we can certainly get a digital projector

[4:26:47] Voice 7: that will work and if it's at the south community hall i believe the hall has a good

[4:26:52] Voice 7: digital projection system for sure so and

[4:26:56] Voice 18: as long as that's also being linked into the

[4:26:59] Voice 18: if we're doing a zoom meeting along with it's linked into people who are coming in that way

[4:27:04] Voice 18: yeah

[4:27:05] Voice 7: yeah

[4:27:06] Voice 18: so i i i mean that was the plan was to do that uh to have it in person um and so if you

[4:27:14] Voice 18: want to proceed on that basis knowing that there's enough digital connectivity so that so that your

[4:27:19] Voice 18: experts don't have to come so that william schulbe doesn't necessarily have to come if he's interested

[4:27:24] Voice 18: um uh i was i was personally planning to be there but who knows what the restrictions are going to

[4:27:32] Voice 18: I mean, we can do it another way, but that's sort of where we're at.

[4:27:36] Voice 18: Unless you want to decide to go all virtual like this today,

[4:27:40] Voice 18: we can do that by an RWM another way, another time if we have to.

[4:27:45] Voice 10: Yeah. I'd prefer to leave it in person with,

[4:27:48] Voice 10: with people zooming in remotely and, and, you know, figuring that part out.

[4:27:53] Voice 18: And it may be that I don't know what the staff protocol is going to be at

[4:27:57] Voice 18: that point.

[4:27:57] Voice 18: It may be that staff are not yet given the thumbs up to go to meetings in

[4:28:01] Voice 18: person. I don't know.

[4:28:03] Voice 8: yeah i

[4:28:03] Voice 18: have heard that the southern gulf some of the other southern gulf islands uh vice chair

[4:28:08] Voice 18: patrick was telling me that all of her meetings for the next little while are in are scheduled

[4:28:13] Voice 18: to be in person but you know that that that depends on the safety protocols for staff too

[4:28:18] Voice 18: so we need to make sure it happens properly okay so we'll we'll leave it the way it is we'll plan

[4:28:25] Voice 18: for the south hall but there'll be a connectivity where you're uh where you're and i'll work with

[4:28:30] Voice 18: But, you know, as I find out more from the technology staff, we'll keep in touch, okay?

[4:28:39] Voice 18: Okay.

[4:28:40] Voice 18: Okay.

[4:28:41] Voice 18: Thanks, Michael.

[4:28:41] Voice 18: Thanks for the flag for that, though, Brad.

[4:28:43] Voice 18: That was a good catch-up, and I missed that.

[4:28:47] Voice 18: I don't have any other questions related to GALI, so we'll move on from that.

[4:28:52] Voice 18: And I guess you can step aside and trustee Rockefeller, I just want to flag for everybody that's still with us.

[4:28:59] Voice 18: We do have a hard stop at 515.

[4:29:02] Voice 18: So we're going to go as far as we can through the agenda, and we do have a Giggers up, we do have Giggers here now.

[4:29:13] Voice 18: That's the next application although there's nothing, there's no decision items yes we won't so I don't know how long we'll be but in the staff report but we'll get back in touch with you shortly.

[4:29:25] Voice 15: Okay, I'll leave.

[4:29:30] Voice 20: hi brad are you still here i

[4:29:40] Voice 20: think brad's taking care of some of his

[4:29:42] Voice 15: logistics and i have seen that

[4:29:53] Voice 15: actually

[4:29:55] Voice 18: i don't see miss doty oh she may still be in the panelist section she is still in the

[4:30:00] Voice 18: panelist section um and

[4:30:03] Voice 5: i don't see brad in the plunder plunder smith in the panelist section

[4:30:09] Voice 5: anymore

[4:30:09] Voice 19: we've lost him

[4:30:11] Voice 15: that's very problematic i'll just give him a quick email chair there

[4:30:29] Voice 15: there

[4:30:29] Voice 20: well that's not necessarily him there's

[4:30:32] Voice 18: a brad and the attendees but

[4:30:34] Voice 18: if if that brad is brad smith i'm

[4:30:39] Voice 16: just talking to brad smith now and he's lost his internet

[4:30:42] Voice 16: connection and

[4:30:45] Voice 5: the Brad and the attendees is it completely down

[4:30:47] Voice 20: yeah I assume that was another

[4:30:49] Voice 20: Brad but I'll

[4:30:53] Voice 14: see what they say I'll hang up okay okay yeah Brad Smith completely lost his

[4:30:59] Voice 14: internet connection well

[4:31:03] Voice 20: that's challenging he can phone

[4:31:13] Voice 18: in it is a relatively short staff report

[4:31:20] Voice 18: report that updates us on a few things related to the GIGRs application.

[4:31:30] Voice 18: It's on page one.

[4:31:32] Voice 18: Hi,

[4:31:33] Voice 14: he's suggesting that you call in.

[4:31:39] Voice 14: Is it letting you in? Otherwise he's suggesting that you call in.

[4:31:44] Voice 18: It's just a page and a half in terms of the well monitoring.

[4:31:49] Voice 18: We've had a number of requests related to this file.

[4:31:57] Voice 18: And I want to acknowledge that we've received the correspondence from Giggers, making a request that we give second reading today, despite the fact that the bylaws are actually not in the public package or before us in a staff report.

[4:32:15] Voice 18: report. And we also received a request, a specific request regarding a wildfire report

[4:32:29] Voice 18: and we heard of course from, sorry it's getting late, a fire assessment, wildfire risk assessment

[4:32:36] Voice 18: report for the Heritage Forest. And we also have the letter from Scott Sugden here in

[4:32:44] Voice 18: in relation to indicating he's the South Belt,

[4:32:49] Voice 18: Galliano Fire Department chief,

[4:32:52] Voice 18: indicating that it's not recommended,

[4:32:55] Voice 18: that we don't need to do it.

[4:32:57] Voice 18: So those are the sort of the items

[4:32:59] Voice 18: that are on our agenda right now.

[4:33:01] Voice 18: We've had that request a couple of times,

[4:33:03] Voice 18: I guess, trustee Rockefeller,

[4:33:05] Voice 18: we could decide not to decide

[4:33:08] Voice 18: or just indicate that that's something we are going to do

[4:33:12] Voice 18: or not going to require.

[4:33:14] Voice 18: do you have any thoughts about that there's planner smith i'm sort of i'm sort of riffing

[4:33:18] Voice 18: here fire smith while you come

[4:33:20] Voice 15: back in i've introduced your report he's frozen

[4:33:30] Voice 18: so you know i mean fire smith's in victoria so it's not a perfect science um

[4:33:37] Voice 18: um i mean i mean i don't have any suggestions for any particular action at this point in time

[4:33:45] Voice 18: Trustee Rockefeller?

[4:33:46] Voice 8: I just had a recommendation from Planner Smith earlier just in regards to the

[4:33:52] Voice 8: motion we made about the data logger just to clarify the intent of that motion so I do have

[4:33:58] Voice 8: a motion prepared in regards to that but other than that I have no action on this file. Okay so

[4:34:05] Voice 19: go ahead.

[4:34:06] Voice 8: Just I would make a motion that Giggers provide a report from a hydrogeologist to summarize

[4:34:13] Voice 8: as the results from the data logger tracking from june 2021 um to the end of the dry season

[4:34:20] Voice 8: slash recharge period which would be i guess january 2021 2022. yeah okay

[4:34:30] Voice 9: trustee rockefeller

[4:34:31] Voice 9: could you email that to me please yeah yeah for sure thanks i

[4:34:34] Planner: would suggest similar similar

[4:34:36] Planner: language to what was agreed to for crystal mountain at the end with respect to uh uh

[4:34:42] Planner: uh hydraulic a professional report from a professional hydrogeologist yeah

[4:34:50] Voice 8: i would

[4:34:52] Voice 8: think agree with that yeah

[4:34:54] Voice 18: let's see what carly has to say i think i think i'd like to uh uh given

[4:35:00] Voice 18: that we are very short on time but i want to just give a minute or two to the applicant to um make

[4:35:08] Voice 18: any any comments related to that motion or any or the staff report in general that you might want to

[4:35:13] Voice 18: So I don't know if Ms. Doty or Ms. Gavirau

[4:35:18] Voice 18: wants to speak to this.

[4:35:20] Voice 11: Hello.

[4:35:21] Voice 11: I don't believe we have any comments

[4:35:23] Voice 11: with respect to the recent motion just made about the report.

[4:35:27] Voice 11: And you've received our letter already.

[4:35:30] Voice 11: So that's it for us.

[4:35:34] Voice 20: Okay.

[4:35:34] Voice 20: Thank you.

[4:35:41] Voice 18: I just want to make sure Carly's got the staff report.

[4:35:48] Voice 9: No, I didn't get that motion, Chair.

[4:35:50] Voice 15: Oh.

[4:35:54] Voice 9: maybe trustee rockefeller if you could read it again slower i'll get it down

[4:35:58] Voice 8: sure it just might not be as accurate as maybe the planner might have a recommendation to add on top

[4:36:05] Voice 18: but we'll amend it as we go along

[4:36:07] Voice 8: okay just that giggers provide a report from a professional

[4:36:12] Voice 8: hydrogeologist to summarize the results from the data logger tracking from june 2021 to january

[4:36:20] Voice 8: 2022.

[4:36:26] Voice 15: Okay. Does that sound

[4:36:28] Voice 18: like it does it, Brad?

[4:36:29] Planner: That works for me. Thank you. I'll second

[4:36:32] Voice 18: that report. And I think that's consistent with what the advice we got earlier today from both

[4:36:36] Voice 18: the planner and from what the output is. It's not just about putting the data logger in and

[4:36:43] Voice 18: want to know what the output is. I think

[4:36:46] Planner: it's also consistent with the conversation that you

[4:36:48] Planner: did have when you first requested that they install that data logger, but the resolution

[4:36:53] Planner: was just not that clear okay

[4:36:55] Voice 18: thank you so that's been that's been uh moved and seconded uh any

[4:37:00] Voice 18: further discussion trustee rockefeller okay so i'll call the vote all in favor so thank you that

[4:37:05] Voice 18: passes unanimously i just want to say a couple of things i i i anticipate this file will this

[4:37:10] Voice 18: matter will be back before us um however uh i i just want to i just want to say that i want to

[4:37:18] Voice 18: to state my view about a public hearing on this matter because we've been requested to not only

[4:37:23] Voice 18: give a second reading but schedule a public hearing. I believe that we need to see the sort

[4:37:31] Voice 18: of the terms of the section 219 covenant that that's an important part of the public hearing

[4:37:36] Voice 18: process that people in the community need to see what's proposed to be in there and I understand

[4:37:41] Voice 18: that though that has not been drafted yet and I understand that that is a source of frustration

[4:37:46] Voice 18: for the applicant. And I guess that's, and for that frustration, we're not happy, but it's the

[4:37:55] Voice 18: way it is. I also think that it's important for us to know that there are strides to be made in

[4:38:02] Voice 18: relation to the resolution of a disagreement about what should and should not be in the

[4:38:06] Voice 18: housing agreement. It's correct that the housing agreement is a, is not a, it's an administrative

[4:38:14] Voice 18: administrative bylaw. However, it is also an important part of this application. And it's

[4:38:21] Voice 18: an important for us as trustees to know that there is going to be a housing agreement. Indeed,

[4:38:28] Voice 18: there is a specific provision in the OCP that there be a housing agreement that attaches along

[4:38:33] Voice 18: with this. And it would be something that would be at least, even if not finalized, at least it's

[4:38:39] Voice 18: It's well on its way to being completed so that the terms and the general terms of it

[4:38:44] Voice 18: have been agreed to before we have a public hearing.

[4:38:47] Voice 18: I just think those are important points of transparency.

[4:38:57] Voice 18: And you're not hearing, on the other hand, you're not hearing us request a wildfire assessment

[4:39:04] Voice 18: and you're not hearing us request that a business case be given, the business plan

[4:39:09] Voice 18: and be provided in detail and made public,

[4:39:12] Voice 18: both of which were requests we received

[4:39:14] Voice 18: from members of the public.

[4:39:17] Voice 18: And I think we've discussed those issues before.

[4:39:21] Voice 18: We have a very clear letter

[4:39:24] Voice 18: from the South Galliano Fire Chief about the need for that.

[4:39:29] Voice 18: And we've considered all of the things

[4:39:31] Voice 18: that are contained in the request.

[4:39:32] Voice 18: And again, I'm not making a motion to approve it.

[4:39:39] Voice 18: motion related to the business plan either.

[4:39:41] Voice 18: So unless Trustee Rockefeller wants to discuss it,

[4:39:45] Voice 18: as she said, she has no further business for today.

[4:39:48] Voice 18: So, you know, it's sort of a, it's sort of,

[4:39:51] Voice 18: that's where we're at in our various considerations

[4:39:53] Voice 18: related to this.

[4:39:55] Voice 18: I should also, I just want to also say one other thing.

[4:39:58] Voice 18: We can have a public hearing before second reading.

[4:40:01] Voice 18: We can have a public hearing

[4:40:02] Voice 18: between second and third reading.

[4:40:04] Voice 18: There is no magic to that when we give something second reading and that it leads directly to a

[4:40:11] Voice 18: public hearing. I understand that there needs, that people want to feel there continues to be

[4:40:16] Voice 18: traction. There are issues that are being worked on and I guess we just have to, and I know there's

[4:40:24] Voice 18: some frustration about that and I can just assure you they're being worked on. So I have nothing

[4:40:31] Voice 18: further to say i probably said too much uh given what limited time we have left um anyway so thank

[4:40:37] Voice 18: you if there's nothing else from any of the uh uh on this matter uh we can bring trustee uh wilkins

[4:40:44] Voice 18: back for the whatever else we can get done i apologize to everybody but we are going to have

[4:40:49] Voice 18: a hard stop um my understanding is on these uh there's a series of referrals here um uh from

[4:40:57] Voice 18: from other local trust areas.

[4:41:04] Voice 18: I think they could all be deferred.

[4:41:06] Voice 18: I don't think that there's a time limit

[4:41:08] Voice 18: to a response on any of them, unless somebody,

[4:41:11] Voice 18: well, we should wait for Trustee Wolverton.

[4:41:14] Voice 18: I mean, we can pass a motion that they're all,

[4:41:18] Voice 18: they're all responses is interest unaffected

[4:41:21] Voice 15: if that's what trustees believe.

[4:41:30] Voice 15: There she is.

[4:41:31] Voice 18: Trustee Wolverton, I was just talking about 13, 7, 8 and 9

[4:41:35] Voice 18: uh whether anybody believes our interests are affected on any of those no

[4:41:41] Voice 10: i thought they were

[4:41:42] Voice 10: quite interesting um in that i think we could benefit from looking at some of that stuff when

[4:41:48] Voice 10: reviews take place right

[4:41:51] Voice 18: um whenever that is so can we uh sort of just say that the response for

[4:41:58] Voice 18: the local trust committee on all 13 17 13 sorry 13.7 13.8 39 is all interest unaffected

[4:42:05] Voice 10: yes i

[4:42:06] Voice 10: would move that okay

[4:42:08] Voice 18: so that's moved and seconded and we'll call that and it's cost unanimously so

[4:42:11] Voice 18: can you carly can you just record that for all three sections i want to talk briefly about 13.6

[4:42:17] Voice 18: which is the trust council policy statement bylaw um so this is on our agenda because we're a

[4:42:23] Voice 18: referral agency and i was hoping to have a discussion with you about how we were going to

[4:42:29] Voice 18: do consultation on galliano um and what that might look like here i know we do not have a strategic

[4:42:36] Voice 18: you know there's not a plan yet um you know there is there is uh there's the recommended plan but

[4:42:43] Voice 18: then then the rollout it comes out after that and that probably won't come out until it looks like

[4:42:47] Voice 18: the engagement strategy would be we'd roll out sometime in october beginning in october but i'd

[4:42:54] Voice 18: like you guys to think about what that should look like on galliano do you want to have zoom meetings

[4:43:01] Voice 18: in-person meetings do you want to have pop-ups there's a variety of the suites of options that

[4:43:06] Voice 18: you might have available to you and i think you should think about what works best on galliano

[4:43:11] Voice 18: so that we can get the input and the engagement that's different than what the trust is going to

[4:43:16] Voice 18: do itself because they're going to do seminars and and surveys and and webinars and things like that

[4:43:22] Voice 18: what do you want so again i'm sorry we're short on time but we um uh i want you to think about that

[4:43:30] Voice 18: um with that i think uh i have to say that we other than i would like to point out that

[4:43:36] Voice 18: if anybody hasn't read it the ministry response on

[4:43:40] Voice 18: uh on the islands mind the minds act thanks to the work of uh trustees and staff on that

[4:43:46] Voice 18: Mayor Mrakas, At the page 271 related to a specific property on on on galley I don't I don't I think we have to call it, I know a planner Smith has to go, and I know that.

[4:43:58] Voice 18: Mayor Mrakas, I know that the on has to go because she's got a six o'clock meeting she's has to serve so.

[4:44:05] Voice 18: Mayor Mrakas, i'm sorry we're not going to get our second town hall today, but is there anything else rather trustee can we defer all these

[4:44:12] Voice 18: other matters till October, the fourth.

[4:44:15] Planner: i'll make sure they're carried over chair roders yeah is

[4:44:19] Voice 18: there anything else uh either trustee

[4:44:21] Voice 18: wishes to say okay well again my apologies i know that galliano is is used to having a second

[4:44:29] Voice 18: opportunity to reflect on what uh took place in our business but we wanted to take our time

[4:44:34] Voice 18: through the earlier matters uh and we did that thank you for your attendance today and i'm going

[4:44:40] Voice 18: going to call for adjournment at 5.15. Thanks a lot, everyone. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Take care.

[4:44:49] Voice 15: Thanks, everyone.

[4:44:50] Voice 15: Thank you.