Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, October 5, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 13: So good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome back to the Lyons Hall. I'm certainly glad to be here. Certainly, we have challenges ahead of us and we're all learning how to redo this in a new way.

[0:00:19] Voice 13: We do have some technology here today that is recording the proceedings so that we can

[0:00:27] Voice 13: post it to our website later and unfortunately we were not able to live stream today because

[0:00:35] Voice 13: the internet connection here is inadequate.

[0:00:39] Voice 13: So there we are.

[0:00:42] Voice 13: So for those of you that don't know, I'm Peter Luckham.

[0:00:44] Voice 13: I'm elected on Thetis Island. I'm the chair of the U.S. Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee, and it's a real honor and pleasure for me to be here.

[0:00:54] Voice 13: Of course, where I live on Thetis Island is in Lacson and Penelope Territory.

[0:01:00] Voice 13: And what I like to think of as the center of the Salish Sea.

[0:01:04] Voice 13: The views of Polier Pass, which was long, long ago considered the mouth of the river, the River Cowichan.

[0:01:11] Voice 13: that was the corridor to the folks that were here since the beginning of time to go over and visit

[0:01:18] Voice 13: their friends and relatives over on the lower mainland by canoe and of course the waterways

[0:01:23] Voice 13: were the highways that's how people got around i heard a discussion last week that suggested it

[0:01:29] Voice 13: was actually faster back then i think laura you might have been there it was faster to take your

[0:01:34] Voice 13: canoe from duncan to victoria than it was to take the horse and buggy over the mouth back then so

[0:01:44] Voice 13: i am grateful to live here and it is such a rich historical place and we're privileged to be able

[0:01:51] Voice 13: to be here grateful for that so just a couple of remarks of course my trustees i i know that

[0:01:58] Voice 13: we want this to be a safe and respectful environment and as the chair of this committee

[0:02:02] Voice 13: I am committed to ensuring that all people who speak at this meeting are treated fairly

[0:02:06] Voice 13: and respectfully and that the language we use will reflect that.

[0:02:10] Voice 13: No form of discrimination is acceptable or tolerated.

[0:02:13] Voice 13: We will all take responsibility to create a safe, inclusive environment for everyone

[0:02:18] Voice 13: to participate and to be respected.

[0:02:20] Voice 13: Members of this committee may call point of order if a speaker's language is not respectful.

[0:02:25] Voice 13: The chair may mute the speaker and ask that their language be adjusted before continuing.

[0:02:31] Voice 13: Comments that include criticism or attacks on other people are considered discriminatory

[0:02:35] Voice 13: and are not allowed.

[0:02:36] Voice 13: All comments should be accurate and direct.

[0:02:39] Voice 13: I thank you for helping make this a safe environment for all.

[0:02:43] Voice 13: And on the safe environment, thank you for wearing masks today.

[0:02:47] Voice 13: I know it's not the most comfortable thing to do, but however, we need to make this a

[0:02:54] Voice 13: public space.

[0:02:55] Voice 13: We need to make it safe for staff, employees, you and your friends and family.

[0:02:58] Voice 13: and so I ask you to please keep your masks on and unfortunately if someone

[0:03:05] Voice 13: comes in that refuses to wear a mask I will have to recess at a minimum the

[0:03:11] Voice 13: proceedings and determine what we will do from there so please have patience

[0:03:16] Voice 13: with me and of course it's all about working and caring and sharing and

[0:03:20] Voice 13: collaborating together so we can all perhaps help if someone doesn't

[0:03:27] Voice 13: and understand the necessity for keeping us a safe place. Thank you everybody. So I'm going to

[0:03:32] Voice 13: start with a round of introductions. Peter Grove, thank you for joining us today. Peter

[0:03:38] Voice 13: and Laura Patrick, thank you Laura for joining us. And then in the room we have Regional Planning

[0:03:45] Voice 13: Manager Stefan Cermak. So nice to see you all in person. And Gordon, all of you are much...

[0:03:57] Voice 13: All of you are just so much more glorious in 3D, as Jason had said earlier, and it's really terrific to see you and be here.

[0:04:05] Voice 13: Let's hope we can continue in this direction.

[0:04:09] Voice 13: I think that's my opening remarks, and so I have an agenda before us, another whopping great agenda, some 350 pages or something.

[0:04:19] Voice 13: And I'll just ask everybody if there's any additions or deletions to the agenda today.

[0:04:25] Voice 13: I

[0:04:25] Voice 11: had that one resolution that I put forward. I'm happy to discuss it during the minutes, or would you prefer to do that at another time?

[0:04:33] Voice 13: I'm sorry, did you send that late?

[0:04:36] Voice 13: Yesterday.

[0:04:37] Voice 13: Yeah, I missed it.

[0:04:41] Voice 11: It's to follow on to the minutes of item 3.3.4, but it's about

[0:04:46] Voice 11: housing, so I don't know if you want to discuss it following the minutes or add an item under projects.

[0:04:50] Voice 11: projects well

[0:04:51] Voice 13: not knowing what you're asking I'll take your direction what

[0:04:56] Voice 13: would you like to do

[0:04:57] Voice 11: following the minutes okay so

[0:05:02] Voice 13: let's do it at three

[0:05:02] Voice 13: point three four then okay so I'll make it three point three five just for

[0:05:06] Voice 13: clarity yeah

[0:05:08] Voice 15: okay

[0:05:13] Voice 13: yeah it's just a so okay so we'll just leave it there is

[0:05:18] Voice 13: is there anything else no okay great thank you very much so then that indeed brings us to uh

[0:05:26] Voice 13: previous uh meetings and so we have minutes of august the 31st the regular electronic meeting

[0:05:32] Voice 13: uh here for adoption are there any changes i've got

[0:05:38] Voice 11: to leave my house no

[0:05:39] Voice 13: answer is no yeah okay

[0:05:41] Voice 13: so

[0:05:42] Voice 11: then

[0:05:44] Voice 13: i'll take it that those minutes of august the 31st be adopted

[0:05:47] Voice 13: adopted as presented by General Consent. We had no ARB 11 recently, so there's nothing

[0:05:55] Voice 13: on that list. And now we get to advisory, minutes of advisory planning committees, and

[0:06:00] Voice 13: we have a few here today. I really want to express my gratitude for the advisory planning

[0:06:05] Voice 13: commissions and task forces that meet and discuss the topics that you've directed to

[0:06:13] Voice 13: them mr

[0:06:14] Voice 11: chairman

[0:06:15] Voice 13: can i ask you

[0:06:16] Voice 11: a question i think we're missing one we have the august 6th from the

[0:06:21] Voice 11: house of gandhi's village or the housing action program in our last thing and now we've got the

[0:06:26] Voice 11: september 16th but there was an august 19th meeting i don't know if we haven't officially

[0:06:32] Voice 11: earned by missing it or did we officially get those minutes i

[0:06:36] Voice 13: don't know um actually stefan

[0:06:40] Voice 13: on is having a quick look calendar okay so let's see when we get there and otherwise we would no

[0:06:47] Voice 13: doubt receive them at a future meeting maybe that would be cool so we have now this is mostly for

[0:06:53] Voice 13: information so we have the draft minutes of the september 16th advisory planning commission

[0:07:00] Voice 13: meeting it's there for information and unless there's any questions i would just receive it

[0:07:06] Voice 13: as presented. We'll take it by general consent that we receive that for information.

[0:07:11] Voice 13: So draft minutes of September the 16th, Agriculture Advisory Planning Commission

[0:07:15] Voice 13: is saying this is season for information. Thank you. And then the draft minutes of September the 16th, that's the

[0:07:23] Voice 13: Ganges Village Area Task Force. Again, we'll receive your information. Over to Laura Patrick.

[0:07:30] Voice 11: I just have, I've just been reading the minutes and following them along and I

[0:07:34] Voice 11: I know I wasn't able to attend the conflict with the BCM, but there still just seems to be a lot of chatter amongst the group about what's in, what's out, what's again to the village area plan.

[0:07:48] Voice 11: It's been many months now, and I'm wondering if the trust, should we have a joint meeting with the trustee?

[0:07:53] Voice 1: Do we

[0:07:53] Voice 11: need to have a talk to help move this group into work mode?

[0:07:59] Voice 11: Because they seem to still be in a, you know, trying to figure it out mode.

[0:08:04] Voice 11: so I'm just curious how we can help have a dialogue with them perhaps to help you

[0:08:15] Voice 11: to do that or you just attend one of their meetings jointly and be able to

[0:08:20] Voice 11: speak or what would be advisable. It seems to be continued even in the

[0:08:25] Voice 11: minutes. Would

[0:08:27] Voice 13: it be appropriate for us to formally meet with them?

[0:08:30] Voice 11: That's what I'm wondering. Just a dialogue with them to help focus their

[0:08:36] Voice 11: of work and

[0:08:37] Voice 6: maybe ask the staff's advice on that sure

[0:08:41] Voice 7: through the chair yeah certainly you could

[0:08:46] Voice 7: have a special business meeting we do have two special meetings coming up with different groups

[0:08:50] Voice 7: so you're not going to read this amount so you you have quite a full agenda coming in the coming

[0:08:56] Voice 7: months yeah we could also you know consider appointing one of the trustees to have that

[0:09:04] Voice 7: conversation and

[0:09:05] Voice 7: i know historically that's sort of being more the process yeah trustees

[0:09:10] Voice 7: sits in the meeting and gives that you'd like to pass a resolution uh uh nominating one of the

[0:09:19] Voice 7: elected officials one of the trustees to to have that meeting and on behalf share certain

[0:09:24] Voice 7: communications and certain messages on behalf of the lcc that might be an alternate way to go so

[0:09:28] Voice 7: we're not sort of doing that extra administrative work of meetings and just come to them as opposed

[0:09:34] Voice 7: close to having them come to you that's a good suggestion how

[0:09:38] Voice 11: do you feel about that

[0:09:41] that's that's fine but like yeah i

[0:09:43] Voice 11: think we should just get some clarity

[0:09:46] Voice 11: and

[0:09:46] Voice 6: that's peter what do you think

[0:09:48] Voice 6: i mean i think it's a good idea

[0:09:49] Voice 6: i think maybe we should both meet with them i'm going to restore this idea rather than why do

[0:09:57] Voice 6: you have a meeting with both trustees there um

[0:10:00] Voice 7: for alternatively you could also invite the chair

[0:10:03] Voice 7: the chair, specifically the chair to meet the LTC meeting, so that's a super good idea I think, but I'm

[0:10:11] Voice 10: just throwing one for the negative answer.

[0:10:12] Voice 10: It

[0:10:12] Voice 13: may be more helpful to meet with the group rather than an individual, but certainly it could be, you know, obviously there are core missions associated with more than one trustee,

[0:10:22] Voice 13: so you would have to be on best behavior and not offer opinions or offer actions that may be undertaken as a result of conversation,

[0:10:33] Voice 13: session but you can certainly help guide them yeah under best behavior I think that's not

[0:10:38] Voice 13: reasonable so it's like tomorrow night what do we what do you think about that I'm and I'm happy

[0:10:48] Voice 13: to receive a motion that would appoint one of both of you to attend um and uh yeah

[0:10:56] Voice 5: sorry what

[0:10:57] Voice 5: did you say about tomorrow night the

[0:10:59] Voice 11: meeting is tomorrow night I think so I've shown my calendar

[0:11:06] Voice 11: Yeah,

[0:11:07] Voice 6: 5.30 p.m.

[0:11:08] Voice 6: I have not planned to be there, so if you can make it, then...

[0:11:11] Voice 6: I

[0:11:12] Voice 11: don't know. It's going to depend on how long the chair speaks.

[0:11:14] Voice 11: I'm waiting in Victoria, so I don't know for 5.

[0:11:19] Voice 11: And

[0:11:20] Voice 13: it's an electronic meeting?

[0:11:22] Voice 11: No.

[0:11:22] Voice 13: They're in person?

[0:11:23] Voice 13: It's

[0:11:23] Voice 11: an in-person meeting at 5.30 tomorrow.

[0:11:28] Voice 13: Well, I'm hoping to be wrapped up, well, not too late.

[0:11:34] Voice 13: But you have to catch a ferry and all the rest of it.

[0:11:39] Voice 11: Well,

[0:11:39] Voice 13: let's make the appointment.

[0:11:40] Voice 13: And if it doesn't happen at this meeting, it would happen at the following or another meeting?

[0:11:46] Voice 13: Well,

[0:11:46] Voice 11: I guess if we did a resolution that was open so that we could meet with the chair,

[0:11:50] Voice 11: and then they could be told tomorrow that we asked for a meeting with the chair,

[0:11:55] Voice 11: so that they're not caught off guard either.

[0:11:58] Voice 11: They should be prepared for the conversation.

[0:12:00] Voice 13: Well, yeah, I think you want to open the door to show up.

[0:12:04] Voice 13: Correct,

[0:12:05] Voice 11: but perhaps just maybe meet with the chair, and the chair wants the task force there to be the chairs.

[0:12:12] Voice 13: Well, if you just appoint a person, one of you as a liaison, I'm assuming it's going to be you, Laura, then how you actually handle that would be...

[0:12:20] Voice 13: You could take turns.

[0:12:22] Voice 11: Well, you want me to... I shouldn't appoint myself, let me be honest.

[0:12:27] Voice 6: I'm Laura Patrick, be appointed as a liaison between the LTC and the Ganges Village Task Force.

[0:12:34] Voice 6: So

[0:12:35] Voice 13: let's move. Second that. Second that. Laura, any discussion? So I'll just vote. All those in favor?

[0:12:41] Voice 13: That carries. Thank you, Laura, for that. Because

[0:12:44] Voice 11: I brought it up.

[0:12:47] Voice 13: I'm just teasing.

[0:12:48] Voice 11: My babies. All of ours. So is that

[0:12:51] Voice 13: in for 3.3 and 3?

[0:12:54] Voice 13: So 3.3.4 is the Housing Action Program test, of course.

[0:12:59] Voice 13: And are there any remarks there? Otherwise we'll receive information.

[0:13:03] Voice 13: information. I plan on them

[0:13:05] Voice 11: being received for information, but I do want to take action on

[0:13:07] Voice 11: some of the conversation in there.

[0:13:09] Voice 13: So we will receive that

[0:13:11] Voice 13: information. So now, Laura, you've had some action that you'd like to take, so over to you.

[0:13:16] Voice 11: Yeah, I mean, I don't know

[0:13:21] Voice 11: anyone in this room that's not aware of the situation with

[0:13:25] Voice 11: housing and the effect. Yes, it's happening everywhere, and there's a shortage

[0:13:29] Voice 11: of workers and all of those things, but our

[0:13:32] Voice 11: Our lack of housing is contributing to the issue at an astronomical level.

[0:13:40] Voice 11: I met with a nurse from the hospital yesterday, and the situation is dire at our hospital

[0:13:46] Voice 11: staffing.

[0:13:47] Voice 11: And so is Greenwoods and our senior home.

[0:13:51] Voice 11: And so the situation is awful.

[0:13:58] Voice 11: Every business on this island, it's the first thing they say.

[0:14:02] Voice 11: And so I've given, I've talked to many of the housing advocates, and I think we need to look at considering using our delegated authority that we could have to help coordinate a housing council-like entity.

[0:14:21] Voice 11: There is a housing council in Salt Spring, but it's been dormant. They don't have funding. I was hoping the CRD would fund it, and they haven't funded it yet.

[0:14:31] Voice 11: So it's sitting there, unfunded, volunteers that are exhausted trying to solve our housing issue.

[0:14:39] Voice 11: And we're sitting here with this delegated authority, like a SWPA-like authority, that we could help administer a housing council-like entity on Salt Spring.

[0:14:51] Voice 11: And I know it's going to take some time to get to that, perhaps.

[0:14:54] Voice 11: but we have that authority, we have that power, we have that taxation right and we

[0:14:59] Voice 11: have a housing issue. I've spoken to Cy Peterson, Rob Grant, and a number of

[0:15:09] Voice 11: others in the community about would they, is this something that they'd be interested in

[0:15:13] Voice 11: and they said yes. Because they're exhausted, they're tired, and everyone's

[0:15:18] Voice 11: working hard. There's lots happening. There's so much happening toward housing

[0:15:25] Voice 11: but it's happening in camps literally so I dropped an emotion I can throw it out

[0:15:36] Voice 11: there so

[0:15:38] Voice 13: let's hear your emotion and see have you had any conversations with any

[0:15:42] Voice 13: of the staff about that I sent

[0:15:45] Voice 11: it to sent it to Stefan yesterday who was I'm

[0:15:48] Voice 11: not talking about it every right to say that you

[0:15:53] Voice 13: realize that of course that

[0:15:55] Voice 13: has to be approved by council i do

[0:15:57] Voice 13: but this

[0:15:58] Voice 11: is we're in business case development right now so

[0:16:00] Voice 13: this is

[0:16:01] Voice 11: this is responding to business case development yeah is my my reason for bringing

[0:16:06] Voice 11: it up

[0:16:06] Voice 13: now i think it's something i can throw it out there and say what

[0:16:09] Voice 11: you think and uh but this

[0:16:11] Voice 11: is in regard to business this isn't about authorizing it by emotion right now i'll read it

[0:16:16] Voice 11: i'm i'm sorry i know we're not a big whereas but you

[0:16:19] Voice 13: can't usually do where you

[0:16:20] Voice 11: can't do a

[0:16:21] Voice 11: paragraph of statements. I'm going to throw some whereases out to you. I'm going to say,

[0:16:26] Voice 11: whereas the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee recognizes that the Housing Action

[0:16:30] Voice 11: Program Task Force is extremely important and valued for identifying and prioritizing actions

[0:16:35] Voice 11: to expand housing options that are primarily within the local trust committee's authority,

[0:16:41] Voice 11: whereas the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee recognizes that for real change to occur

[0:16:45] Voice 11: in the availability of housing options that meet the needs of islanders, that cooperation is needed

[0:16:51] Voice 11: with all levels of government nonprofits and community groups as well as private

[0:16:56] Voice 11: sector and small businesses. Whereas the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:16:59] Voice 11: recognizes that a housing authority type entity that can own land and undertake

[0:17:04] Voice 11: development projects is ultimately needed on Salt Spring Island. Whereas Salt

[0:17:09] Voice 11: Spring Island Local Trust Committee recognizes that an interim step is to

[0:17:12] Voice 11: create a housing council type entity that is staffed and able to receive and

[0:17:20] Voice 11: administer grants and manage projects programs and undertake planning work therefore the salt

[0:17:27] Voice 11: spring local trust committee directs staff to prepare a 2022-23 business case that includes

[0:17:34] Voice 11: but is not limited to obtaining delegated authority to facilitate a coordinated approach

[0:17:39] Voice 11: for housing solutions coordinating a salt spring island housing council-like entity with member

[0:17:46] Voice 11: representation from the government, for example CRD and BC Housing, rate-payer

[0:17:52] Voice 11: organizations, for example North Salt Spring Water District, service

[0:17:56] Voice 11: not-for-profit organizations, and others of professional expertise that is staffed,

[0:18:02] Voice 11: able to receive and administer grants, and manage project programs and undertake

[0:18:06] Voice 11: planning work, and allowing for consultant support to facilitate all

[0:18:11] Voice 11: aspects of setting up this entity. That's a mouthful.

[0:18:16] Voice 13: It is a mouthful.

[0:18:18] Voice 11: But it was about...

[0:18:20] Voice 11: I'll leave it there and then I can discuss it.

[0:18:22] Voice 11: We can discuss it before you say anything.

[0:18:24] Voice 11: It's up to you, Jim.

[0:18:32] Voice 13: Obviously time is of the essence here.

[0:18:38] Voice 13: So I'll

[0:18:39] Voice 6: ask if there's a second there.

[0:18:41] Voice 6: Well, I'll second it in order to discuss it,

[0:18:43] Voice 6: but I have to say for various reasons I'm actually not in favor of this at this point.

[0:18:49] Voice 13: Okay. Do you wish to speak to it further?

[0:18:51] Voice 13: well

[0:18:51] Voice 11: I think this is where we're developing business cases and we don't

[0:18:55] Voice 11: proceed and do work as you said without resources I understand and Stefan's

[0:19:00] Voice 11: correct it did take a number of years to get SWPA up and off the ground perhaps

[0:19:06] Voice 11: CRD will come forward and decide to fund the housing council but they haven't to

[0:19:10] Voice 11: date so we can't wait I think we need to move forward and this is an option

[0:19:17] Voice 11: this is an option we have to facilitate the housing council and to let it continue to to

[0:19:24] Voice 11: you know not work isn't helping the community at a time when it's not getting better it's just

[0:19:32] Voice 11: getting worse every day every house that sells is another rental that's been lost on this island at

[0:19:39] Voice 11: this point and said that the situation is significant yeah so

[0:19:48] Voice 13: Peter do you have

[0:19:49] Voice 13: any questions that would help clarify the asker you

[0:19:54] Voice 6: know I mean of course I

[0:19:56] Voice 6: agree with what Laura is saying my concern is practicality and we haven't

[0:20:02] Voice 6: a housing action program task force who is indeed meant to be coming up with

[0:20:08] Voice 6: these sorts of solutions. I see this as changing horses in midstream, and with only a year

[0:20:16] Voice 6: to go in this term, it's a huge task, actually. So I would like to hear from staff as to their

[0:20:26] Voice 6: view on how this might work and whether it's a useful exercise at this point in our term.

[0:20:32] Voice 6: I

[0:20:38] Voice 13: sort of said that time is of the essence, and that's certain, and you asked specifically

[0:20:51] Voice 13: that staff launch into creating a business case, and I can't help but wonder whether

[0:20:58] Voice 13: or not we should seek some advice and options around that before launching it, and some

[0:21:06] Voice 13: parameters around it before we ask to go to a business case, because that may be difficult

[0:21:12] Voice 13: without more than what's in the motion it's just my sort of thoughts i think i think it's a bold

[0:21:19] Voice 13: and idea and a good idea it certainly would put us in the direction but i'd like to know what that

[0:21:25] Voice 13: more would like to know more about how that would look and then of course you know there's

[0:21:31] Voice 13: a question whether or not staff have the ability to bring back something like that to us for our

[0:21:36] Voice 13: next meeting in order to not delay this any more than is necessary in order to get a business case

[0:21:41] Voice 13: in for a budget but it may be that that i think december is our trust council meeting for

[0:21:48] Voice 13: preliminary budget look um and that's actually at the end of november and our next meeting is

[0:21:55] Voice 13: probably early november which would mean you probably would be walking that in late so i'm

[0:22:00] Voice 13: just trying to grapple with all of that so do you have some thoughts about that about developing the

[0:22:05] Voice 13: idea more with staff support the

[0:22:07] Voice 11: idea is going to be significant development i'm not i'm not saying

[0:22:10] Voice 11: it doesn't that would be part of the process is what what turn all of those

[0:22:16] Voice 11: things need to be created and that's why I suggested a consultant would help in

[0:22:20] Voice 11: creating that this is not about changing horses are the housing working group

[0:22:24] Voice 11: report identified that we needed both the task force and the multi

[0:22:28] Voice 11: jurisdictional approach right here on page 33 of our agenda package in the

[0:22:33] Voice 1: minutes

[0:22:33] Voice 11: of this meeting that's my purpose of now they identify a multi

[0:22:37] Voice 11: jurisdictional meeting authority so it's this isn't this is about recognizing and

[0:22:49] Voice 11: even in our own principal statement to the housing action program we recognize

[0:22:52] Voice 11: that multi jurisdictional authority is paramount and that partnering is what's

[0:22:59] Voice 11: going to be necessary it's just we have this tool toolbox and yes a lot of work

[0:23:06] Voice 11: needs to be done to flush it out so to me the business getting a business case started

[0:23:12] Voice 11: is a place to start um but a staff report could be done as well but the time is of the

[0:23:17] Voice 11: essence to get a business case in to get into the budget process for 20.

[0:23:28] Voice 13: i'm just rereading

[0:23:29] Voice 13: this section of the minutes here and reflecting on what i thought at the time because i guess my

[0:23:33] Voice 13: immediate response when i read this earlier was the grass was thinking about the design

[0:23:43] Voice 13: and construction building of housing is a potentially huge provincial league

[0:23:57] Voice 13: it would be necessary necessary for it to be supported by some kind of

[0:24:00] Voice 13: provincial direction to change the building code and facilitate you know

[0:24:06] Voice 13: healthy safe housing this

[0:24:08] Voice 11: is this is this is more on the paragraph of page

[0:24:12] Voice 11: page 33. So it's a

[0:24:14] Voice 11: multi-jurisdictional housing authority.

[0:24:16] Voice 13: Yeah, they use the same language in a couple of places there.

[0:24:21] Voice 13: And

[0:24:25] Voice 11: the other one I did not include in here, but

[0:24:27] Voice 11: housing agreements is another task of who holds those, all of those things.

[0:24:31] Voice 13: Right, yeah, we struggled with that question at the Ombudsman for a very long time.

[0:24:35] Voice 13: So this

[0:24:36] Voice 11: is a power we have. ACT gives us these

[0:24:39] Voice 11: coordinating powers, and we could use some coordination

[0:24:44] Voice 11: on this island. We have

[0:24:46] Voice 11: the power to do it.

[0:24:47] Voice 13: So how do you see this unfolding in

[0:24:49] Voice 13: the short term to sort of answer Peter Grove's questions there about changing

[0:24:54] Voice 13: horses and this activity continuing while this has a with some elements of

[0:25:00] Voice 13: risk that it might not be successful for whatever reason progressing in some way

[0:25:07] Voice 13: and what and I guess the other thing is I wonder about do you think we have the

[0:25:14] Voice 13: the time, you've thought about this much more than I have, whether or not we have the time

[0:25:19] Voice 13: to actually develop some options and frame it and provide direction for building that

[0:25:24] Voice 13: business case. Or is that something that the task force might be able to?

[0:25:30] Voice 11: I'm sure the task force could provide some, as well as, except we have a housing council

[0:25:36] Voice 11: inside Peterson and others

[0:25:38] Voice 11: that would be instrumental in helping.

[0:25:40] Voice 11: Yeah, there's complications

[0:25:42] Voice 13: with that where we want, you know, how is it that we're going

[0:25:47] Voice 13: to have the task force interface with staff to create a business case, and usually a business

[0:25:53] Voice 13: case comes from a well-defined direction, either developed at the LTC or developed at

[0:26:04] Voice 13: the staff as a wish of the LTC.

[0:26:09] Voice 13: I'm just trying to think it through how it would actually pan out and what it would look

[0:26:13] Voice 13: like.

[0:26:13] Voice 13: I think there's

[0:26:15] Voice 11: lots of steps. I mean,

[0:26:16] Voice 11: step one is that needs to be figured out.

[0:26:17] Voice 11: Right.

[0:26:18] Voice 11: But I don't think we are the people to figure that out. I'll be clear. I don't think we are the people to figure that out.

[0:26:24] Voice 12: Right.

[0:26:25] Voice 11: It's, we need to call on the people who can figure it out in this community, and I think we have them.

[0:26:32] Voice 6: Chair, may I ask about staff's reaction to this proposal?

[0:26:34] Voice 6: Sure.

[0:26:42] Voice 7: There's a lot to unpack in that resolution.

[0:26:46] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:26:49] Voice 7: Yeah, we created a script out of that, and like I said, it took a long time to do that.

[0:27:06] Voice 7: This project, you can see it's a project unto itself, so the only way staff can assign

[0:27:10] Voice 7: resources to it is to make it a top priority project.

[0:27:13] Voice 7: It's not something that just casually slides into the work program, it can't be off the

[0:27:18] Voice 7: side of the desk, it can't be just inserted, and if we're bringing it forward to Trust

[0:27:23] Voice 7: Council or Financial Finance Committee, it needs to be justified through the work program,

[0:27:27] Voice 7: which it's not.

[0:27:29] Voice 7: And then on top of that, staff are working on a staff report based on task force resolution.

[0:27:40] Voice 7: You'll see that the next LTC meeting is very robust, very wholesome, and there's a whole

[0:27:44] Voice 7: lot of action.

[0:27:46] Voice 7: And this just kind of blows that all up.

[0:27:48] Voice 7: So if the LTC wants to do this, it's a great idea, but they need to make the top priority,

[0:27:54] Voice 7: they need to stop something.

[0:27:57] Voice 7: But the normal process for that is, of course, to create a project failure, to amend it,

[0:28:01] Voice 7: and that's your justification.

[0:28:02] Voice 7: So the staffs have very struggled to meet the time limit, but we can do it for next year,

[0:28:09] Voice 7: add in this project charter, we'll be a year behind, sure, but I think meeting this best

[0:28:15] Voice 7: will be very interesting.

[0:28:21] Voice 11: I'll take offense, but this is about blowing it up, so be careful that this is about a

[0:28:29] Voice 11: community crisis that affects all of us.

[0:28:33] Voice 11: and all I'm saying is

[0:28:37] Voice 11: if we wait another year

[0:28:39] Voice 11: but we should have a business case

[0:28:40] Voice 11: that at least considers some consulting support

[0:28:43] Voice 11: to help move this along

[0:28:44] Voice 11: knowing that we do have staff

[0:28:46] Voice 11: that are stretched thin

[0:28:49] Voice 11: that we've got to find a way

[0:28:52] Voice 11: to get the resources to help the community

[0:28:55] Voice 11: so a step one business case

[0:28:58] Voice 11: of at least getting something started for next year

[0:29:01] Voice 11: so that we're not zero dollars next year

[0:29:03] Voice 11: that we were making progress in helping get something established and it could

[0:29:09] Voice 11: end up you know through consultation of the island maybe it is a housing

[0:29:13] Voice 11: authorities what's needed first instead of an interim step I don't know that

[0:29:18] Voice 11: this was just has

[0:29:21] Voice 13: to be a regional district discuss this at all I well

[0:29:26] Voice 11: Gary's not here you can ask him to come later I don't he was trying to help do

[0:29:34] Voice 11: do some work on governance of the existing Housing Council, but I don't know where that sits.

[0:29:39] Voice 11: Right.

[0:29:40] Voice 13: Because, you know, it does strike me that we're stepping into that void

[0:29:46] Voice 13: which this, I would say, the CRD is perhaps not tackling.

[0:29:52] Voice 13: And it would strike me, from the CRD perspective,

[0:29:55] Voice 13: if the Ops Trust wanted to step into that space, that would be lazier for them.

[0:30:00] Voice 13: but is are we the right body to be stepping into that space i i don't know you know that this

[0:30:06] Voice 13: required you know i'd like to support this but it really requires a lot of thought for me because

[0:30:14] Voice 13: it's new um to consider that and you know that said just in remarks about how big a project it

[0:30:22] Voice 13: might be and how long it might take the swifa thing was the first time we'd ever done that

[0:30:27] Voice 13: and I would like to think they learn something from that and the next time we

[0:30:31] Voice 13: do it and I think we should do more of this in the Alam's Trust actually

[0:30:35] Voice 13: all the Alam's Trust areas to facilitate those important projects in communities

[0:30:41] Voice 13: but I just I'm not comfortable with knowing enough about what the

[0:30:46] Voice 13: implications and ramifications are what the workload is going to end up being

[0:30:53] Voice 13: for the Salt Spring LTC staff in respect of those projects significant projects

[0:31:00] Voice 13: also that we have on there but I understand what you're saying is that

[0:31:04] Voice 13: we've got this body of expertise that can help us in some way so I just I

[0:31:10] Voice 13: would I think I would still like to see an intermediary step but not bought for

[0:31:14] Voice 13: the task force to help us to get to a place that is maybe more that puts a bit

[0:31:22] Voice 13: a bit more meat on the bones is what people say um in order to develop that a business case which

[0:31:28] Voice 13: would need to be much more formal so i'm just thinking out loud a new idea and it's an old

[0:31:37] Voice 13: idea it's a big idea and um but i don't want to hold up progress either but i think we need to

[0:31:45] Voice 13: go forward uh thinking it through what what would you think might be accomplished in the next

[0:31:52] Voice 13: 30 days to bring this idea back.

[0:31:56] Voice 11: Well trying to come up

[0:31:59] Voice 10: with a dollar figure

[0:31:59] Voice 10: that we could

[0:32:00] Voice 11: feel is justified in

[0:32:02] Voice 10: a budget

[0:32:03] Voice 11: request to be able to get this

[0:32:06] Voice 11: started. That's really what to me it's what is the 2022 business case

[0:32:12] Voice 11: that we have a dollar amount that we can have some resources that are there to

[0:32:19] Voice 11: draw on if we're successful. So

[0:32:22] Voice 13: would that be a like a part-time administrator?

[0:32:24] Voice 13: I

[0:32:25] Voice 11: think it would be some sort of consulting system of support and there

[0:32:29] Voice 11: are consultants that are available for this type of work that have

[0:32:33] Voice 6: experience as well as I do so.

[0:32:35] Voice 6: You know it's hard to argue against all this but I find it very

[0:32:41] Voice 6: frustrating to come up with a dollar amount sounds important but that's

[0:32:46] Voice 6: going to take time we're hearing very clearly from staff that they don't

[0:32:49] Voice 6: If we want to proceed with this in any way, we don't have to turn it into a project.

[0:32:53] Voice 6: They don't have the time.

[0:32:55] Voice 6: I'm also frustrated because the Trust appears to have much more power than we actually do.

[0:33:06] Voice 6: And so working with the CRD and the province,

[0:33:09] Voice 6: those are the bodies that really can do something about this in a meaningful way.

[0:33:15] Voice 6: We certainly can have some influence and I'm looking forward to hearing what the Housing Action Programme Taskforce has to say.

[0:33:25] Voice 6: But I can think of a number of things we could do quite quickly, I would assume, such as easing up restrictions on trailers,

[0:33:34] Voice 6: opening up the cottages and suites more than we have already.

[0:33:41] Voice 6: ready. We've got Dragonfly coming up and moving in

[0:33:47] Voice 6: quite nicely. I want to hear what the task

[0:33:52] Voice 6: force has to say. This is a great idea, but it's a big idea. It's a big mouthful. Staff

[0:33:57] Voice 6: is saying they don't have the time. So let's just do one thing at a time and see what the

[0:34:02] Voice 6: Housing Action Program has to say. Laura, it's a great idea. I love it. But I think

[0:34:10] Voice 6: it's impractical as I said right at the beginning so I cannot support this I'm afraid at this time

[0:34:15] Voice 6: my

[0:34:19] Voice 13: advice

[0:34:23] Voice 7: is I think you don't want to lose the idea and my advice would be to add it ask staff

[0:34:29] Voice 7: to add it to the project charter and return back with how we can accomplish it and honestly the

[0:34:36] Voice 7: way I see them holding right now that's desperate we can start the meeting processes we can say

[0:34:43] Voice 7: advice he and i had maybe offer some sort of inside advice about um staff meeting you know

[0:34:54] Voice 7: we just met last week with pc housing and they talked about funding and they they were pretty

[0:35:00] Voice 7: clear that the next round of funding they're not sure but when it's coming but they talked about

[0:35:05] Voice 7: the island's trust as a whole and they really wanted armistrust to come together kind of with

[0:35:10] Voice 7: you know i called it an opportunity but they didn't call it they just said get your

[0:35:16] Voice 7: So that when they come ready, they want to know you've got land, water, and zoning, right?

[0:35:24] Voice 7: And ready to go to assign where they can spend it.

[0:35:28] Voice 7: That's what they do.

[0:35:29] Voice 7: And a reasonable request.

[0:35:31] Voice 7: And they're asking that to be trust-wide because they don't think they can give one or two projects in the entire trust area funding type thing.

[0:35:38] Voice 7: So I think that's where they're asking us, PC Housing, to put our resources.

[0:35:43] Voice 7: And so I don't think that's the same as us here.

[0:35:45] Voice 7: you

[0:35:47] Voice 13: know you know we could easily segue into a very long conversation here and as the chair

[0:35:52] Voice 13: so i want to be respectful that we've got an agenda before us but um in in that list that

[0:35:58] Voice 13: you just said land water zoning we only control one of those elements and to some extent there's

[0:36:07] Voice 13: a problem that lies there

[0:36:10] Voice 12: but i wonder what we might

[0:36:12] Voice 13: do in the short term because indeed thank

[0:36:13] Voice 13: you for saying no lose sight of us what can we do in the short term to um to get the crd to

[0:36:23] Voice 13: come behind us and hold that together because it would be way easier for us to join that

[0:36:31] Voice 13: than it would be for us to create that that's for sure

[0:36:35] Voice 6: what we would need to have is the crd's plans yeah we need to know what where they're headed

[0:36:41] Voice 6: and what they're planning to do.

[0:36:43] Voice 6: So I think something from the director would be very helpful.

[0:36:47] Voice 13: Laura, what do you think?

[0:36:50] Voice 11: This is a motion about developing a business case,

[0:36:52] Voice 11: which is the beginning of a conversation.

[0:36:54] Voice 11: So this isn't about saying, if we pass this motion today,

[0:36:57] Voice 11: it's not, oh, we're creating a housing council.

[0:36:59] Voice 11: We're creating a

[0:37:00] Voice 11: business case, which is the beginning of a conversation.

[0:37:03] Voice 11: And through that conversation, CRD and others are going to be aware of

[0:37:08] Voice 11: and will be talking to it.

[0:37:09] Voice 11: um hey if it gets them to take action so be it this dies on the floor or we don't have to take

[0:37:19] Voice 11: anything we have those powers we have coordinating powers they are powerful and and for three years

[0:37:28] Voice 11: the crd has you know the the housing council has languished this is a chance yeah it's it's just

[0:37:34] Voice 11: It's another way of looking at a problem, and it still leaves lots of room for the CRD

[0:37:41] Voice 11: to come in and solve the problem.

[0:37:46] Voice 6: I suspect if I made the CRD would disagree with being done a lot, but it's still just

[0:37:53] Voice 6: in terms of the bucket, it's merely a drop.

[0:37:56] Voice 6: A drop.

[0:37:57] Voice 6: So,

[0:37:58] Voice 13: you know, I'm just going to interrupt with him.

[0:38:00] Voice 13: I would suggest, okay, that I would, for one, would like to be able to read this motion more closely and carefully.

[0:38:08] Voice 13: And so I would suggest let's put this on pause.

[0:38:11] Voice 13: Let's pick it up again later on in the new business section or something, or other business, when we've had a break and had a chance to reflect on that.

[0:38:20] Voice 13: And let's continue at the moment with the rest of our agenda.

[0:38:24] Voice 11: I'll move to table this motion until new business.

[0:38:27] Voice 11: Second.

[0:38:28] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:38:32] Voice 12: Okay, thank you very much Laura. So let's not lose.

[0:38:40] Voice 13: Okay, so 3.4, nothing here today. So this brings us to business arising from the minutes of follow-up action list and regional planning manager Cermak is up to date. No further updates at this time?

[0:38:53] Voice 13: No. Okay, thank you. So Trustee Patrick and Trustee Grove, do you have any questions about any of the items on the follow-up action list, which is on page 37?

[0:39:03] Voice 13: I

[0:39:03] Voice 11: have one question.

[0:39:04] Voice 13: Go ahead, Laura.

[0:39:06] Voice 11: I know we discussed, I can't find, we talked about application signage.

[0:39:11] Voice 13: Yes.

[0:39:11] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:39:12] Voice 13: Yes.

[0:39:14] Voice 11: I've just lost

[0:39:15] Voice 11: track of what happened there.

[0:39:17] Voice 11: Where are we?

[0:39:17] Voice 7: It's in-air summer.

[0:39:19] Voice 7: And

[0:39:19] Voice 11: I thought so.

[0:39:20] Voice 11: That is

[0:39:20] Voice 7: the fourth possibility, but I doubt we'll sign it in September.

[0:39:24] Voice 7: The reason I put that on pause, well, aside from COVID, was that we were informed by Carmen,

[0:39:32] Voice 7: the legislative system would be updated, so that would be the Development Procedures By-Law,

[0:39:44] Voice 7: and the LTC asked staff to amend the Development Procedures By-Law such that if anyone's applying

[0:39:51] Voice 7: for rezoning or perhaps other applications, it could be referring to rezoning in a development

[0:39:58] Voice 7: program. A sign would be placed, like you see in most communities, saying, hey, something's

[0:40:04] Voice 7: And so it's not drafted that mostly, but they're waiting for performance policy changes.

[0:40:10] Voice 7: And now before you also have a case procedure by law, follow up on that, the two marry together.

[0:40:16] Voice 7: So there's just a lot of administrative bylaws and policy changes that are put on background,

[0:40:21] Voice 7: but I have absolutely not lost track of it.

[0:40:24] Voice 7: It's still very much there.

[0:40:25] Voice 11: I just wanted to know where that was.

[0:40:26] Voice 13: So I'm inclined to ask, so when do you think we might see that?

[0:40:31] Voice 13: Oh, I don't know.

[0:40:33] Voice 13: I

[0:40:34] Voice 7: was anticipating to bring forward with the fees by-law if the LTC in the business says yes we would like to amend the fees by-law as suggested by the council, then I would anticipate bringing the administrative by-law.

[0:40:50] Voice 7: I was kind of waiting for that harmony, but the harmony worked.

[0:40:55] Voice 13: Okay, so I'm just trying to reflect. Is that the fees by-law on our agenda today?

[0:40:59] Voice 13: Yes.

[0:41:00] Voice 13: should be yeah right there yeah okay okay good okay that's great thank you for raising that bar

[0:41:10] Voice 13: because we've all read the emails good to get that resolved okay um so that does it for uh

[0:41:21] Voice 13: follow-up action list unless there's something else no so community information meeting nothing

[0:41:26] Voice 13: public hearing nothing today so we're on to reports we've got our standing resolutions list

[0:41:30] Voice 13: that's here for information unless there's some desire to change something and receive it our

[0:41:36] Voice 13: work program top priorities report where we are that's uh where we're after september are there

[0:41:41] Voice 13: any questions or remarks there otherwise we'll read it okay well i have

[0:41:48] Voice 11: a question okay go ahead

[0:41:49] Voice 13: um

[0:41:49] Voice 11: both the staff jason yeomans and myself were invited to attend the salish sea trail network

[0:42:00] Voice 11: working group, that's a mouthful, and they're working hard to try to fund the last gap of

[0:42:09] Voice 11: the Salish Sea Trail, which happens to be on the Salt Spring, is the gap, and so we

[0:42:13] Voice 11: were looking at all our maps in the OCP and things, and there's an opportunity at some

[0:42:17] Voice 11: point to show that that trail, it's there, but it blends in with all the other bike trails,

[0:42:24] Voice 11: so that there could be a chance to clearly show in the OCP that that portion of the trail

[0:42:29] Voice 11: is an important thing so that that would help us they're fighting you know they're trying to get

[0:42:35] Voice 11: grants and money and all of that to support that project so it needs to be i guess it's just added

[0:42:40] Voice 11: to the ocp amendment of the projects report would that make sense just to park that if that

[0:42:45] Voice 11: opportunity comes so i didn't attend okay so that we

[0:42:49] Voice 13: haven't got there yet but that's under the

[0:42:50] Voice 13: project oh i'm sorry yeah projects no

[0:42:53] Voice 13: top priority there's nothing on top priority we'll move on

[0:42:57] Voice 13: So top projects, thank you. Laura, so which item number is that?

[0:43:01] Voice 13: It

[0:43:01] Voice 11: would be added under number one as an OCP, so I can do that on the fly if you want.

[0:43:06] Voice 11: I move that the, I guess the, I don't know how to say it, the Salish Sea Trail be added to maps under number one, it's an OCP amendment.

[0:43:30] Voice 13: Are you able to grab that?

[0:43:31] Voice 13: I

[0:43:33] Voice 15: want the LTC Add Sailor Sea Trail item to Project Number 1.

[0:43:37] Voice 11: The mapping of the Sailor Sea Trail, I think.

[0:43:42] Voice 11: In

[0:43:42] Voice 6: Project Number 2, is it?

[0:43:44] Voice 6: No.

[0:43:44] Voice 6: Oh, Project Number 1.

[0:43:45] Voice 6: No C.P. amendments.

[0:43:46] Voice 11: I'll second that.

[0:43:55] Voice 15: Would the LTC direct staff to add mapping of the Sailor Sea Trail to Project Number

[0:44:03] Voice 15: 1?

[0:44:07] Voice 13: That was moved and seconded.

[0:44:08] Voice 13: Any further discussion?

[0:44:09] Voice 13: All those in favour?

[0:44:10] Voice 13: So that carries.

[0:44:12] Voice 13: Thank you for bringing that to our attention.

[0:44:13] Voice 13: Nothing further on priorities or projects then I'm going to move on to

[0:44:19] Voice 13: applications. We have a September status report there. Trusting that it's up to

[0:44:25] Voice 13: date I'll go to trustees to ask for any questions you might have with regard to

[0:44:31] Voice 13: applications. And we do have a conversation about dormant applications coming up.

[0:44:40] Voice 6: Yes, the staff wanted to add to their report at this point before we

[0:44:44] Voice 6: Please stop asking questions. Thank you very much.

[0:44:47] Voice 6: Page 77, the

[0:44:49] Voice 6: of this project.

[0:44:57] Voice 6: It's been two years since we last looked at it.

[0:45:01] Voice 6: I think we need to have a summary of some kind,

[0:45:06] Voice 6: letting people know where we are on that

[0:45:08] Voice 6: and what they're waiting for.

[0:45:12] Voice 6: I need that so I can respond appropriately to questions and concerns that have been raised.

[0:45:19] Voice 6: I think we need to make some kind of a statement about that.

[0:45:22] Voice 6: It seems like the community is getting ahead of the LTC on this and I'm a bit at a loss.

[0:45:32] Voice 13: Yeah. Any other remarks on that one?

[0:45:36] Voice 13: I'll just comment that I try to do my homework when I can on the islands that I chair

[0:45:42] Voice 13: and I've done quite a bit of homework on that one.

[0:45:45] Voice 13: but what i had real you know the new website is there's a new website and i still have to find

[0:45:50] Voice 13: navigate but i couldn't find uh i think it's salt spring development permit 2014.20 or something

[0:45:57] Voice 13: that is the uh i want the next step in this that i think we're waiting for and so a summary of where

[0:46:04] Voice 13: we're at would be helpful um because time just blurs two years so is that

[0:46:13] Voice 13: the right number and

[0:46:14] Voice 13: And so a leading question, what's the best way for me to find those kinds of things without actually asking you?

[0:46:21] Voice 13: The best way is to ask staff.

[0:46:23] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:46:24] Voice 7: So always happy to help.

[0:46:26] Voice 7: Yeah, so we, you know, a bit about our current applications.

[0:46:30] Voice 7: Depending on the application, the way we post things online,

[0:46:35] Voice 7: or, you know, if you're selling additional invariance permits.

[0:46:39] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:46:40] Voice 7: Because those are significant decisions that we have to make.

[0:46:42] Voice 7: case when it comes to development it is a significant decision but the lcc must approve it

[0:46:49] Voice 7: if the conditions are met according to the lcc yeah so they're treated a little bit differently

[0:46:54] Voice 7: in terms of what so the development variance permit was was issued almost well it's a year

[0:47:00] Voice 7: and a half to two years ago so the next stage for them is this development permit which you see here

[0:47:06] Voice 7: and they are in active discussions with staff right now i

[0:47:08] Voice 13: see that yeah

[0:47:09] Voice 7: yeah so you know staff

[0:47:11] Voice 7: are just i'm anticipating them coming to the lt this issue comes to ltc any like it should be

[0:47:17] Voice 7: november or december okay but i can actually point you to the staff member who can give you a better

[0:47:22] Voice 7: update into the audience over this you want to give it

[0:47:26] Voice 9: up here if you can can you we're putting

[0:47:28] Voice 7: you on the spot i realize but can you just

[0:47:30] Voice 13: give us a pretty brief summary absolutely

[0:47:33] Voice 7: so

[0:47:34] Voice 9: the file was

[0:47:36] Voice 9: was put in advance for the duration of sort of the height of COVID,

[0:47:41] Voice 8: obviously people's

[0:47:42] Voice 8: business plans started to grow fuzzy, and I guess it would have been in the spring of

[0:47:49] Voice 8: this year that the applicant revised the development permit application and began to be engaged

[0:47:54] Voice 8: with staff about the guidelines and the necessary professional reports that we require, and

[0:47:59] Voice 8: so we've been continuing that back and forth up to Monday really when I received sort of

[0:48:06] Voice 8: the latest batch of updated professional reports and site designs from them and so as regional

[0:48:12] Voice 8: planning manager said the LTC can expect this to come before the LTC for some

[0:48:17] Voice 2: manner of decision

[0:48:17] Voice 2: that ideally they'll remember being okay

[0:48:24] Voice 7: yeah but what I'm also hearing is that you'd like to be

[0:48:28] Voice 7: able to find that information quicker online yeah applications portal and I think we could do that

[0:48:34] Voice 7: we don't have staff reports but we can put the background materials of communication

[0:48:42] Voice 7: online for you and

[0:48:43] Voice 13: we used to have like project files and I don't know if that

[0:48:46] Voice 13: still exists but a significant

[0:48:47] Voice 13: thing like this although it's not our project

[0:48:49] Voice 13: it's a significant community interest the project it would be great if there

[0:48:54] Voice 13: could be a compilation of that information for one not only for us to

[0:48:58] Voice 13: be able to see the story and the facts but also for the public to be able to

[0:49:02] Voice 13: actually read through it themselves and come to their own assessment of the

[0:49:09] Voice 13: situation based on the facts thank you jason thank you um any other questions on the application

[0:49:19] Voice 13: i have none and you don't need any direction on that so that's great that's really good okay

[0:49:28] Voice 13: expense report uh from july um i realized it's september and uh i think we had some uh staff

[0:49:36] Voice 13: staff absence and because of the audit and stuff like that.

[0:49:41] Voice 13: I'm sure that Trustee Grove, who's the cheddar FPC

[0:49:45] Voice 13: is well aware of it, but that's it for information

[0:49:48] Voice 13: and no doubt there'll be probably a couple more

[0:49:50] Voice 13: come to us in November.

[0:49:53] Voice 13: Island Trust Conservancy report.

[0:49:57] Voice 13: This is there for our information.

[0:49:59] Voice 13: I always like to try and do justice to the amazing work

[0:50:03] Voice 13: that the Island Trust Conservancy does on behalf

[0:50:06] Voice 13: to the Honest Trust in the preservation and protection of very real lands.

[0:50:11] Voice 13: There's a lot of amazing things that have been happening in the Honest Trust.

[0:50:15] Voice 13: And so I just want to draw people's attention to this regular reporting and also to the

[0:50:20] Voice 13: Heron newsletter, which comes out regularly.

[0:50:25] Voice 13: That is an amazing document that updates you on what's going on.

[0:50:31] Voice 13: I will just say that Young Point, it's not an Honest Trust Conservancy initiative, but

[0:50:36] Voice 13: but it is a preservation and protection of lands.

[0:50:38] Voice 13: Young Point on Liskety Island was successful

[0:50:41] Voice 13: in raising the entire $2.8 million

[0:50:43] Voice 13: to protect 325 acres of the Coast Blue Douglas Spur

[0:50:52] Voice 13: Gary Oak ecosystem on Liskety Island.

[0:50:55] Voice 13: Totally amazing fundraising effort.

[0:50:57] Voice 13: BC Parks was a major partner in that,

[0:51:01] Voice 13: but the community and the public broadly

[0:51:04] Voice 13: had to raise quite a lot of money to top up the bank account and that that was successful

[0:51:10] Voice 13: so a real cheer there and a cheer for everything the conservancy does on all the islands and on

[0:51:17] Voice 13: salisbury so just a little shout out to them so 7.7 i'll go down to salt spring island watershed

[0:51:25] Voice 13: detection alliance coordinators report update and i'll just turn that to the chair of uh

[0:51:32] Voice 13: I

[0:51:32] Voice 11: think the report sort of stands on itself of where everything is at.

[0:51:38] Voice 11: It's been really good to see, I've been attending, our freshwater specialist William

[0:51:44] Voice 11: Shula has been making presentations to other islands

[0:51:46] Voice 11: and I can tell you he's drawing

[0:51:47] Voice 11: on SWPA's materials to help demonstrate in his talks and I as well, I think all the

[0:51:55] Voice 11: work that we've done for rainwater collection and our well design and all the work that's

[0:51:59] Voice 11: being put on there is very useful the meeting we did have a meeting last week

[0:52:04] Voice 11: and the members were all in support we're basically kind of clearing the

[0:52:09] Voice 11: deck of the coordinators workloads so that she can be dedicated to helping

[0:52:15] Voice 11: strategic plan when we award hopefully when we you

[0:52:19] Voice 1: avoid that work

[0:52:20] Voice 11: to a

[0:52:22] Voice 11: successful consultant hopefully in the coming weeks and so that we have good

[0:52:28] Voice 11: good support so all members are looking forward to the strategic plan becoming real okay

[0:52:34] Voice 12: that's

[0:52:35] Voice 11: really

[0:52:36] Voice 12: great any

[0:52:37] Voice 13: questions no all right so

[0:52:40] Voice 6: let us go to section eight if i may oh yeah i wouldn't

[0:52:43] Voice 6: mind a three and a half minute break oh

[0:52:45] Voice 13: that's fine you can have a three you can have a three

[0:52:48] Voice 13: and a half minute break i thank you for asking for that

[0:52:50] Voice 9: learning i

[0:52:52] Voice 13: have no idea who's gone

[0:52:55] Voice 13: bye okay welcome back uh everybody uh from our break um

[0:53:03] Voice 13: this is the softening on local trust committee meeting of october the 5th 2021 and that's our

[0:53:10] Voice 13: first uh in-person uh meeting for uh 18 and 19 months and it's really great to be here and see

[0:53:20] Voice 13: see all these Mayan faces in three dimensions as somebody said earlier, and that's terrific.

[0:53:27] Voice 13: So my name is Peter Luckham.

[0:53:28] Voice 13: I'm elected on Thetis Island in Laxon and Connecticut Territory.

[0:53:33] Voice 13: It's an honor to be in this, and a privilege to be in this place, wake up every day to

[0:53:37] Voice 13: a place that is so rich in history and culture.

[0:53:41] Voice 13: I mentioned earlier that from Thetis Island, you can look up towards Colleen Pass, which

[0:53:47] Voice 13: which was the entrance to the Salish Sea ostensibly possibly considered the mouth of the Cowichan River.

[0:53:57] Voice 13: And families and community would gather at Poliar Pass before heading across the strait

[0:54:02] Voice 13: to see their friends and family on the mainland, so to speak,

[0:54:08] Voice 13: and indeed conduct commerce and business and all sorts of other things.

[0:54:12] Voice 13: And it's just amazing to think about the thousands and thousands of years of history here.

[0:54:18] Voice 13: that is available to us to learn about and encourage everybody to take this opportunity to learn about the place we live in.

[0:54:28] Voice 13: So, Peter Grove, local elected trustee for us today. Thank you, Peter.

[0:54:33] Voice 13: Paul Patrick, also a local elected. Nice to see you here in person.

[0:54:37] Voice 13: Around the room we have our staff, Sarah Sugar, our minitaker. Thank you, Sarah.

[0:54:41] Voice 13: regional planning manager Stevon Stomach, Jordy Gordon, planner, and I saw somebody else here, Christine

[0:54:53] Voice 11: Mays, thank you.

[0:54:56] Voice 13: It's been so long since we've seen each other, the memories fail me.

[0:55:02] Voice 13: Thank you everybody for being here. Just a quick note about a safe place to meet and a safe meeting place.

[0:55:09] Voice 13: place. As usual, I'm just looking at my notes because I've tried to do this more formally

[0:55:16] Voice 13: than off the cuff like I usually do. That as the chair of the committee, I'm committed

[0:55:20] Voice 13: to ensuring that all people who speak at this meeting are treated fairly and respectfully

[0:55:25] Voice 13: and the language we use will reflect that. No form of discrimination is acceptable or

[0:55:30] Voice 13: tolerated. We will all take responsibility to create a safe, inclusive environment for

[0:55:34] Voice 13: everyone to participate and be respected. Members of this committee may call point

[0:55:39] Voice 13: point of order if a speaker's language is not respectful.

[0:55:42] Voice 13: The chair may mute the speaker, well, I can't mute you

[0:55:45] Voice 13: because I don't have a Zoom anymore,

[0:55:47] Voice 13: but I may ask you to reframe your language

[0:55:50] Voice 13: and be adjusted before continuing.

[0:55:54] Voice 13: Comments that include criticism or attacks on other people

[0:55:56] Voice 13: are considered discriminatory and not allowed.

[0:55:58] Voice 13: All comments should be accurate and direct,

[0:56:01] Voice 13: and I thank you for helping me

[0:56:03] Voice 13: with this safe environment for all.

[0:56:05] Voice 13: And I appreciate today on the safety part

[0:56:08] Voice 13: part that you're all here wearing masks today. That's to protect our staff, the trustees,

[0:56:13] Voice 13: you your friends. We need to continue to work on this until we get the all clear whenever

[0:56:19] Voice 13: that might be and in the event that we have somebody that shows up that is not wearing

[0:56:27] Voice 13: a mask or not prepared to wear a mask, well hopefully they will wear a mask or simply

[0:56:32] Voice 13: to leave and i may recess the meeting if it's necessary to facilitate that because it's my

[0:56:38] Voice 13: responsibility to keep you and the

[0:56:40] Voice 13: staff here safe so we can all work together on that if necessary

[0:56:45] Voice 13: so thank you very much for that um so we had a sort of an administrative meeting this morning

[0:56:57] Voice 13: conducting some administrative items we came out of an in-camera session half an hour ago and i'd

[0:57:03] Voice 13: like to rise and report out of that in-camera session that we adopted the minutes of august

[0:57:08] Voice 13: the 31st of the previous uh in-camera meeting and uh now we are here at uh section 10 on the agenda

[0:57:18] Voice 13: trustees and chairs report and i'll turn to uh trustees to ask them for their uh report

[0:57:25] Voice 13: like to go first it

[0:57:26] Voice 6: appears it is i it has that privilege and thank you for that uh introduction

[0:57:31] Voice 6: and the talk about protecting everyone in this room and our family and friends.

[0:57:38] Voice 6: I have to say I was very anxious about coming to this meeting after 18 months of zooming

[0:57:43] Voice 6: and how I hated it and I think most people did to start with.

[0:57:48] Voice 6: One sort of gets used to it. It's amazing what you can get used to.

[0:57:51] Voice 6: And then coming out into the real world and having to bear all and worry about spreading the COVID-19

[0:57:58] Voice 6: um was particularly of concern to me um and i suspect we've all got our stories i have a 95

[0:58:05] Voice 6: year old mother at greyhaven mother-in-law i should say lovely lady she's basically blind

[0:58:11] Voice 6: so she needs help um so my wife goes in every day to help her and then she comes and suffer with us

[0:58:18] Voice 6: once or twice a week um so we are terribly aware of not only protecting her but the other 30

[0:58:24] Voice 6: residents of Rayhaven, everybody who works there, all their families and you

[0:58:29] Voice 6: know if that were traced back to my wife, Barry and me, I don't think we could

[0:58:38] Voice 6: really live with that very well. So I've been very very cautious, super cautious.

[0:58:43] Voice 6: In any event, we are here and we're all doing our best and I

[0:58:48] Voice 6: appreciate that everyone is masking. I must say I simply cannot get over the

[0:58:54] Voice 6: number of people who are not getting themselves vaccinated and i have a real problem with that

[0:58:59] Voice 6: um and uh but that's a subject for another day um the uh since our last meeting uh we the few

[0:59:07] Voice 6: us attended trust council um and uh which was by zoom and that was very uh went very well thanks

[0:59:14] Voice 6: to a large degree through the excellent sharing of peter luckham and it's a difficult thing to

[0:59:20] Voice 6: do it best but when you're managing uh all these people um on a zoom screen um i'm not sure how he

[0:59:27] Voice 6: does it but he does it very well um since then we my wife and i took a week off and uh we went

[0:59:35] Voice 6: exploring our continuing exploring of southern vancouver island we now have a little trailer

[0:59:42] Voice 6: which we're kind of fond of

[0:59:43] Voice 10: and

[0:59:44] Voice 6: anyway you spend a hefty time in soup and the chosen and i'm just

[0:59:48] Voice 6: enjoying seeing these places, if you recall last time I think I was talking

[0:59:54] Voice 6: about Comox, but it's lovely spots indeed.

[1:00:00] Voice 6: at them and you think there seems to be something going on here they are so well and developed and

[1:00:07] Voice 6: they probably makes me i get quite envious as to what they seem to be able to do and they clearly

[1:00:13] Voice 6: have a great deal more money to spend that's what i can say and that comes very clearly from the

[1:00:18] Voice 6: commercial um the zone areas surrounding these towns a luxury which we don't have and quite

[1:00:26] Voice 6: Quite frankly, I'm not sure, speaking clearly for myself, that we really want to have commercial

[1:00:32] Voice 6: spreads around our one and only town.

[1:00:37] Voice 6: So it's a two-edged sword, this business of nicely developed town centres.

[1:00:45] Voice 6: It comes at a price.

[1:00:49] Voice 6: I guess the only other thing I want to say is that I want to say a thank you to Elizabeth

[1:00:56] Voice 6: Elizabeth Milne of the Driftwood, who is no longer here.

[1:01:00] Voice 6: Welcome, Gail.

[1:01:02] Voice 6: But, you know, Elizabeth, I've been a trustee for 10 years,

[1:01:06] Voice 6: and she came to just about every meeting.

[1:01:10] Voice 6: And I came to appreciate very much her reporting,

[1:01:13] Voice 6: her straightforward, honest, unbiased reporting.

[1:01:18] Voice 6: And I also started to get used to and kind of relied

[1:01:23] Voice 6: watching her reactions, which I'm sure she didn't realize that she was giving the reactions.

[1:01:29] Voice 6: I could just see from her body language how she was reacting to some of the things that

[1:01:33] Voice 6: were being said and some of the things that I said. So I have a very good idea because

[1:01:37] Voice 6: I respect her enormously as to whether

[1:01:40] Voice 1: we were on track or not on

[1:01:41] Voice 6: track. Anyway, I miss

[1:01:43] Voice 6: her and I

[1:01:43] Voice 6: wish her very well and I want to thank her on behalf of the other trust committee

[1:01:48] Voice 6: that she did for us. Thank you, Chair.

[1:02:01] Voice 11: There will be somewhat of a theme to my actions in the next period of time, and that is I'm

[1:02:09] Voice 11: really embracing addressing the

[1:02:12] Voice 11: in cooperation with part of our mandate, because that's the

[1:02:17] Voice 11: hard part, and that's the important part, is how we work with partners and others to

[1:02:23] Voice 11: achieve what we need to do in our community so i'm going to lean into that part because

[1:02:29] Voice 11: i i know it's easy to avoid it because it's easier and and i think we have to do more

[1:02:37] Voice 11: to work in cooperation with everyone because we have a lot of issues housing being one of

[1:02:44] Voice 11: the biggest that we've got to work on we have to solve as a community salt spring has to to house

[1:02:49] Voice 11: salt springers and we have to do it it's been a very busy time it seemed like

[1:02:57] Voice 11: summer was a long time ago now we're back in the rain everything's busy so

[1:03:01] Voice 11: yes we had Trust Council September 21 to 23rd the key highlight was that we

[1:03:07] Voice 11: passed a resolution to undertake the higher level of public engagement for

[1:03:13] Voice 11: the trust policies statement I was pleased to see that it was important to

[1:03:17] Voice 11: me um that we sort of reset the the public engagement do it right and do it in a way that

[1:03:25] Voice 11: was very honorable because i can't sit here and talk to salt springers and say oh i want your

[1:03:30] Voice 11: input but they're getting input on all these other islands that we've had to be able to bring

[1:03:34] Voice 11: it together and uh and so that it salt spring can see itself in the process and see how we

[1:03:42] Voice 11: we could influence the final trust policy statement.

[1:03:45] Voice 11: So that engagement is yet to come, and

[1:03:48] Voice 11: at some point, we will see it.

[1:03:53] Voice 11: Whoops, my screen jumped.

[1:03:57] Voice 11: Thank you, Karina.

[1:03:58] Voice 11: The Union of BC Municipalities was also this year, virtually.

[1:04:04] Voice 11: And I really enjoyed, there was a panel on,

[1:04:07] Voice 11: it was called Pathways to Truth and Reconciliation.

[1:04:10] Voice 11: It was really meaningful to me.

[1:04:12] Voice 11: We had Honorable Mary Sinclair spoke, along with John Jack.

[1:04:16] Voice 11: He's the chairperson of Alberni-Claquot Regional District.

[1:04:20] Voice 11: If you ever have a chance to hear John Jack speak, I don't know, he speaks to me.

[1:04:26] Voice 11: He speaks to us and gives just practical advice.

[1:04:31] Voice 11: You know, it's like, it's all about building trust and building relationships.

[1:04:37] Voice 11: And he's like, you're going to make mistakes.

[1:04:38] Voice 11: It's okay.

[1:04:40] Voice 11: Just try.

[1:04:40] Voice 11: You know, he just, the way he speaks is just, like I said, speaks to me, gives you that confidence to move forward.

[1:04:51] Voice 11: I also attended a workshop called Housing Prospects, Trends, and Key Issues.

[1:04:56] Voice 11: One of the presenters, Jill Atking, she's CEO of the Nonprofit Housing Association for BC.

[1:05:03] Voice 11: She was talking about how housing is affecting rural communities,

[1:05:07] Voice 11: and she showed a chart of the top 10 rural areas

[1:05:10] Voice 11: with the highest percentage of people

[1:05:12] Voice 11: paying greater than 30% of their income.

[1:05:15] Voice 11: We tie for number five.

[1:05:17] Voice 11: And I thought that was a statistic

[1:05:19] Voice 11: that was very disturbing to see,

[1:05:21] Voice 11: presented at UBCM.

[1:05:26] Voice 11: And that was based on the 2016 census data.

[1:05:30] Voice 11: And we'll see how much worse we are

[1:05:32] Voice 1: when the

[1:05:33] Voice 11: next census data comes out.

[1:05:34] Voice 11: Which led to it, it was a Dr. Gerstein,

[1:05:36] Voice 11: a director of a housing research collective that was talking about how we make so many

[1:05:42] Voice 11: decisions on our housing based on the census data and how that's really wrong because it's

[1:05:46] Voice 11: already old by the time we get access to it, it's going to be a year old before we see

[1:05:51] Voice 11: the census data from last year and we know things have changed and she was really persuading

[1:05:56] Voice 11: you that you have to look at so many other bits of data, pull it all together and to

[1:06:02] Voice 11: to really account also for housing lost.

[1:06:05] Voice 11: How do you do that?

[1:06:06] Voice 11: How do you figure what housing was lost

[1:06:08] Voice 11: to certain demographics?

[1:06:12] Voice 11: In advance of UBCM, the Chair Luckin, myself,

[1:06:17] Voice 11: and all of the executives met with Minister Harry Rankin,

[1:06:20] Voice 11: Minister of Indigenous Relations,

[1:06:23] Voice 11: as part of our annual opportunity to speak with ministers.

[1:06:28] Voice 11: It was very good.

[1:06:29] Voice 11: Outside of the UBCM process, Gary Holman, myself, and Adam Olson met with the Minister of Finance, Celina Robinson.

[1:06:38] Voice 11: We were talking about housing on Salt Spring, our challenges, and it was a very good meeting because we were looking at tools.

[1:06:47] Voice 11: What are the tools that the province has available to help make housing more available?

[1:06:52] Voice 11: She's open to carrying on the conversation, and in particular, how does the province deal

[1:06:59] Voice 11: with communities like Salt Spring, Tofino, Whistler, that have a vacation interest, but

[1:07:04] Voice 11: yet also thriving communities that have to house the workforces that are there.

[1:07:08] Voice 11: So more to come with us, Selina Robinson, and I know Gary, myself, and Peter will be

[1:07:15] Voice 11: meeting with Minister Evey on housing here on Salt Spring as well.

[1:07:21] Voice 11: so we're getting the

[1:07:22] Voice 11: attention and talking to ministers and doing everything we can on housing

[1:07:27] Voice 11: um i was invited to meet with the salish sea trail network a group convened through adam

[1:07:33] Voice 11: olson's office that are working really hard to come up with financing and supporting building

[1:07:39] Voice 11: that last piece of this bike trail system that passes through salt spring that's the last piece

[1:07:45] Voice 11: Peace is the peace that goes through Salt Spring, so I hope we'll have more success

[1:07:51] Voice 11: in seeing that get done.

[1:07:53] Voice 11: The Southern Gulf Island Forum met just last week.

[1:07:57] Voice 11: That's a new forum that's all the elected, all levels of government and First Nations

[1:08:02] Voice 11: that Adam Olson convened.

[1:08:05] Voice 11: We were very fortunate to have Erica Pelkey, Hereditary Chief and staff of the WSANIC Leadership

[1:08:11] Voice 11: Council and Ken Thomas from the Penelope tribe joined us and very grateful for the

[1:08:20] Voice 11: stories they share and the direction that they're wanting to see our

[1:08:24] Voice 11: relationships move in. And just for a resource, the WSANage Leadership

[1:08:31] Voice 11: Council website, if you go to them, they have a section called Resources for

[1:08:35] Voice 11: Settlers. It's a

[1:08:36] Voice 11: new section to their website, very interesting, good

[1:08:41] Voice 11: good information that's available there. I was invited to the Economic Development Commission

[1:08:46] Voice 11: who asked me what role can they play in the relationships to Islands Trust. I told them

[1:08:52] Voice 11: that they were very well positioned to be taking a leading role in helping ensure that

[1:08:58] Voice 11: the economic needs of the community are balanced with the ecological and social needs, and

[1:09:06] Voice 11: I said proactively included in the plans, such as the OCP and so forth.

[1:09:11] Voice 11: And we talked about one of these businesses, village plans, commercial accommodation,

[1:09:15] Voice 11: commercial industrial zoning, agribusiness as being examples that they should be actively involved

[1:09:20] Voice 11: in pushing us to update rather than waiting.

[1:09:25] Voice 11: I chaired a SWPA meeting, South Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance,

[1:09:28] Voice 11: and also chaired Thetis and South Pender local trust committees,

[1:09:33] Voice 11: and financial planning and regional planning committee meetings

[1:09:37] Voice 11: too this past month. Busy time. That's my report.

[1:09:42] Voice 11: Thank

[1:09:43] Voice 13: you very much. Start that recording. Hopefully we didn't

[1:09:47] Voice 13: lose the beginning part. Okay. So thank you for your report

[1:09:53] Voice 13: Laura. So yeah, these are

[1:09:59] Voice 13: very busy times. Changing every day it seems.

[1:10:03] Voice 13: Now leading into real life public meetings

[1:10:07] Voice 13: meetings, which we had our, potentially our last electronic council meeting at the end

[1:10:16] Voice 13: of September there, and indeed, as Laura's pointed out, we, the council, endorsed new

[1:10:25] Voice 13: enhancements to our engagement plan around the policy statement, and I was very pleased

[1:10:30] Voice 13: to see the headlines of the Driftwood today that said that the Honest Trust opened up

[1:10:34] Voice 13: its wallet to fund an enhanced engagement plan and indeed that's what we're doing we've heard

[1:10:40] Voice 13: from everybody they wanted to hear have more opportunity to engage with us and find out more

[1:10:45] Voice 13: about what we're doing and so um we've uh taken that seriously and are dedicating more resources

[1:10:53] Voice 13: is to do that and looking at new tools and new ways of uh of uh my camera's moving on by itself

[1:11:06] Voice 13: and uh and so that's exciting so we're looking forward to that over the next coming months

[1:11:12] Voice 13: um it has to go out to tender for a contractor to bid on it to deploy the plan that we prepared

[1:11:18] Voice 13: and uh we expect that to come to pass in the next uh month or so see how that unfolds um i'll just

[1:11:28] Voice 13: note that september 30th was the first national day of reconciliation i know in my own community

[1:11:34] Voice 13: we had about 50 people gather at our community center wearing orange shirts and told stories

[1:11:39] Voice 13: amongst each other about what this meant to us and i'm sure that you had similar opportunities

[1:11:44] Voice 13: in your community as we did nationally and these are significant moments and somebody said well

[1:11:53] Voice 13: what does it mean to me and I personally think it's a real opportunity to reflect on the history

[1:12:01] Voice 13: of the country, who I am, where I live and how lucky and fortunate I am and how much more that

[1:12:07] Voice 13: I can do to connect with my neighbours on Connecticut and all members of our First Nations

[1:12:12] Voice 13: communities. So it's terrific that we've gotten to this place that has been called for for a very

[1:12:19] Voice 13: long time to the truce and reconciliation calls to action we've been preparing over the last uh

[1:12:28] Voice 13: two or three weeks i guess for this new hybrid uh meeting that we're calling it uh in public

[1:12:35] Voice 13: meetings but continuing to provide that thing that so many people have come to enjoy which is

[1:12:40] Voice 13: the ability to tap into us electronically either live through live streaming or through recorded

[1:12:46] Voice 13: sessions on the internet so that's what you see this piece of technology that's in some of your

[1:12:50] Voice 13: your views here is actually a camera that enables us to do that and the

[1:12:55] Voice 13: recording happens here. Council chose not to expand the budget to try and save

[1:13:00] Voice 13: some money to have a staff person manage all this technology and go the next step

[1:13:04] Voice 13: which would be a full electronic participation and so the chairs and

[1:13:08] Voice 13: vice-chairs designated as the keepers of the technology to facilitate this and so

[1:13:14] Voice 13: it's an experiment and this is meeting number two. I did one on the ski

[1:13:19] Voice 13: TV Island yesterday that was quite successful.

[1:13:21] Voice 13: We had a great internet connection, believe it or not,

[1:13:23] Voice 13: and we were able to live

[1:13:25] Voice 13: stream the whole meeting, and the audio and video was

[1:13:27] Voice 13: very good. Unfortunately, here, we're not

[1:13:29] Voice 13: able to get a good internet connection,

[1:13:31] Voice 13: which kind of surprises me on Sulting Island,

[1:13:33] Voice 13: but I guess that's just the same

[1:13:35] Voice 13: on Thetis. We don't have very good internet

[1:13:37] Voice 13: either. So we're recording it,

[1:13:39] Voice 13: and it will be posted later.

[1:13:43] Voice 13: And

[1:13:43] Voice 13: looking forward to the fall

[1:13:45] Voice 13: here. So that's it for me.

[1:13:48] Voice 13: The Capital Regional Directors Report we were anticipating Gary would be here, but perhaps

[1:13:55] Voice 13: he was not aware that we were meeting in person and maybe I'll get him soon somewhere.

[1:14:01] Voice 13: So Gary, I'm sorry if you've missed us today and we'd love to see your report in writing

[1:14:07] Voice 13: if you wish, but certainly look forward to an opportunity to engage with you in the future.

[1:14:13] Voice 13: Let's see where I am here.

[1:14:19] Voice 13: we've got a lot of correspondence and then we're going to delegations of town hall so i'm just

[1:14:25] Voice 13: going to move on to correspondence if that's all right and then we'll have provide an opportunity

[1:14:30] Voice 13: for you to speak i think we'll review the correspondence so that folks can know what

[1:14:35] Voice 13: it is that we've heard across the island and surrounding areas and whether or not there's

[1:14:41] Voice 13: anything that wishes to be taken into consideration so i'll just say that there's a number of

[1:14:48] Voice 13: emails and letters that we've received concerning what is referred to often as the vortex project

[1:14:56] Voice 13: which is the old site of the fulford uh in down um in fulford harbor lots two zero six one and two

[1:15:07] Voice 13: zero two six six one and two six two one um yeah i do my research you know and um and so we had a

[1:15:16] Voice 13: conversation this morning with respect to that uh project which is was in advance actually since

[1:15:22] Voice 13: covid and um the public has as it was said has maybe gotten ahead of us a little bit on this

[1:15:29] Voice 13: um and certainly there were some decisions that were made to advance it but there are more

[1:15:34] Voice 13: decisions yet to come and so that will appear on an agenda in the not too distant future and

[1:15:40] Voice 13: And I suggest to the LTC, unless you want to take specific direction with any of the VORTEX correspondence here,

[1:15:48] Voice 13: that this all be included in the file for consideration when we get there.

[1:15:54] Voice 13: Peter, go ahead.

[1:15:55] Voice 6: You might point out that staff are going to ensure that the website contains the up-to-date information.

[1:16:01] Voice 13: Oh, thank

[1:16:01] Voice 13: you for that.

[1:16:02] Voice 13: Yeah, we had a discussion from my own experience, in fact, about trying to research the project in particular.

[1:16:11] Voice 13: And with the new website, it's not necessarily obvious where stuff is.

[1:16:15] Voice 13: And that's a work in progress.

[1:16:17] Voice 13: There's a bunch of amendments that are being made to that website as we speak that have become apparent.

[1:16:23] Voice 13: And one of them we've asked for is to create a project page that has all of that information to the project because it has a great interest to the community.

[1:16:31] Voice 13: we want to be sure that you can access the correct information and the facts of the project and so

[1:16:38] Voice 13: look for that in the near future presumably and that'll that'll prepare us all for a fulsome

[1:16:44] Voice 13: discussion on that project so again i'll just turn to the trustees and ask you i'm not going

[1:16:49] Voice 13: to figure out the numbering but all of those projects that we've been written to regarding

[1:16:54] Voice 13: the ford harbor development and the vortex unless you want to take some specific direction

[1:17:01] Voice 13: with any one of them or more that they be uh compiled and considered when the project returns

[1:17:07] Voice 13: to us is that reasonable yep okay so i see some consensus on that so the next number of items

[1:17:16] Voice 13: and if i miss something let me know is um and i'll just grab those ones too there's a number

[1:17:21] Voice 13: of concerns respecting the crest rogers

[1:17:24] Voice 11: 15 13.15 that means yes which one 13

[1:17:28] Voice 11: .15

[1:17:29] Voice 11: Dean, Gary Holman, Capital Regional District.

[1:17:32] Voice 13: Oh, okay.

[1:17:33] Voice 13: Well, we can address that one first.

[1:17:34] Voice 13: That'd be great.

[1:17:35] Voice 13: So at 13.15, we have Gary Holman, Capital Regional District, South Spring Island, Electoral

[1:17:43] Voice 13: Director to the LTC concerning Island's Trust and Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure

[1:17:48] Voice 13: Memorandum of Understanding.

[1:17:50] Voice 13: So that's for consideration.

[1:17:52] Voice 13: And, Trustees, you looked at that.

[1:17:54] Voice 13: Is there something you'd like to do?

[1:17:56] Voice 13: Yeah,

[1:17:57] Voice 11: I did confirm that Director Marler, the Local Planning Services Director, is scheduling meetings with the Ministry of Highway and Transportation to at least initiate conversations about the letter understanding.

[1:18:11] Voice 11: So I think this letter just needs to be formally transmitted to him so he can run a resolution.

[1:18:16] Voice 11: Okay,

[1:18:16] Voice 12: so a motion to direct the bill, yeah.

[1:18:17] Voice 11: I move that item 13.15 be forwarded to Director Barler of Planning Services.

[1:18:30] Voice 13: Seconded by Peter Grove.

[1:18:31] Voice 13: Any discussion?

[1:18:32] Voice 13: All those in favor?

[1:18:34] Voice 13: So that carries.

[1:18:35] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:18:36] Voice 13: So then, if I keep going down the list, we have a number of ladders here concerned about the decision at the LTC recently

[1:18:44] Voice 13: recently with respect to the Crest Rogers Tower, also known as the 5G Tower, which is, yeah, and so we have actually asked staff to provide us, if I'm not mistaken, at the last meeting, a report on some options for us with respect to moving forward on this, but of course there's a lot of concern about the tower construction maybe beginning.

[1:19:17] Voice 13: I don't really know about that aspect of it, but I'll just ask Dr. Gies, is there any further

[1:19:23] Voice 13: direction that you would like to take with respect to the correspondence regarding the

[1:19:28] Voice 13: Crest-Rogers Tower?

[1:19:30] Voice 6: DR.

[1:19:31] Voice 6: If I may, so there's the correspondence at 13.16, we also have two pieces of correspondence

[1:19:41] Voice 6: comments in the regular meeting addendum from Julian Clark and then our the

[1:19:48] Voice 6: response to Mr. Clark from staff and so I think we need to refer to those I

[1:19:54] Voice 6: don't know if that's this is the time to do it

[1:19:56] Voice 13: no that's very good for bringing

[1:19:59] Voice 13: that up yeah there is an addendum with those additional items and that's

[1:20:05] Voice 13: available on the website part of the package so may i

[1:20:11] Voice 6: address this point um anyway um

[1:20:13] Voice 6: so i

[1:20:15] Voice 6: given a lot of fault for this and for quite a lot of people about it um and um i'm concerned

[1:20:22] Voice 6: quite frankly that um we make sure that we have crossed all our t's and dotted all our eyes

[1:20:29] Voice 6: Staff, I understand, have written to the federal government, I'm getting a nod from Stefan

[1:20:37] Voice 6: Surma, and I'd like you, would you mind, Stefan, telling us precisely what you have requested

[1:20:45] Voice 6: or what we've requested?

[1:20:46] Voice 6: Sure.

[1:20:48] Voice 6: Go to chair.

[1:20:49] Voice 7: We've asked, as you may recall, as I'm sure you know, the Salisbury-Norwood Local Trust

[1:20:55] Voice 7: committee endorsed the siting of the antenna and so new concerns have come

[1:21:04] Voice 7: forward and so staff are not familiar with the process if you would like to

[1:21:11] Voice 7: unendorse or rescind your endorsement or what have you so we simply have contacted

[1:21:16] Voice 7: and asked about the process how that works and what timing is and things like that

[1:21:21] Voice 7: happening but we haven't been able to touch base.

[1:21:25] Voice 6: To be perfectly frank I mean I have had some

[1:21:28] Voice 6: second thoughts about this and wish that we had referred this application to the APC for their

[1:21:38] Voice 6: input on it. That wasn't an option and I'm not blaming staff that wasn't an option put before

[1:21:44] Voice 6: us at the time if it had been it would have jiggled my mind. I have to say I've been so

[1:21:49] Voice 6: concerned about this lack of proper electronic communication on the island, then this is

[1:21:56] Voice 6: the third time around that the CREST applied to put up the tower for basically protecting

[1:22:05] Voice 6: our community in order to communicate during search and rescue and disasters and the like.

[1:22:13] Voice 6: The fire department has been asking for it, the police have been asking for it, search

[1:22:17] Voice 6: and rescue have and so I was very keen to see this all take place however I

[1:22:25] Voice 6: think we may have moved a little bit more quickly than I would have liked in

[1:22:29] Voice 6: hindsight and which is why I would like to have had the APC's opinion on this so

[1:22:35] Voice 6: in the perfect world from my point of view and I think from that of many

[1:22:38] Voice 6: others I would like to be able to send this back to the APC for their

[1:22:44] Voice 6: their opinion on it but clearly we have to hear from the federal government

[1:22:48] Voice 6: whether that's an option for us at this point in time so I'm just to let

[1:22:54] Voice 6: everybody know where we are and what my thinking is on the subject

[1:23:00] Voice 13: question does

[1:23:13] Voice 13: it hinder or affect or compromises in any way shape or form it as you've

[1:23:18] Voice 13: simply send it to the APC for the comment even now. Regardless of what the

[1:23:22] Voice 13: government may say, if we feel that we need to do that, then perhaps we do, but in no

[1:23:29] Voice 13: way or shape or form would that obviously admit to an omission on

[1:23:34] Voice 13: our part. It is

[1:23:36] Voice 13: discretionary to send something to the APC. And in hindsight, is it unreasonable to

[1:23:42] Voice 13: think that we might ask that question now? It would certainly inform us in the

[1:23:46] Voice 13: in the event that there's some opportunity for reconsideration offered by this time,

[1:23:52] Voice 13: if that's what they obviously want to do, so I'd look for staff's perspective on that.

[1:23:57] Voice 13: Um, um, often time is of critical nature, and obviously if we wait for the federal government

[1:24:04] Voice 13: to get back to us and get on with it, it might take twice as long as it would otherwise.

[1:24:09] Voice 13: So do you have any remarks on that?

[1:24:12] Voice 13: Well, pardon me, so

[1:24:13] Voice 7: I'm a little more curious.

[1:24:14] Voice 7: I'm sorry, but staff have talked to the industry of ISCD computing, and they refer to the spectrum management and telecommunications branch, and they're a local group who manage the .

[1:24:29] Voice 7: So we have a lot of messages. But in regards to your process, yes, of course, the LTC is free to refer what it wishes to the advisory planning commission.

[1:24:39] Voice 7: You know, the LTC should remember that you had a model antenna strategy that got stalled

[1:24:47] Voice 7: with the senior intergovernmental policy advisement.

[1:24:51] Voice 7: So I think you know their advice to some degree, but that being said, you're free to refer

[1:24:56] Voice 7: things to them as you wish.

[1:24:57] Voice 7: And you're right, it doesn't, like, it just might, you just might not, it might not be

[1:25:03] Voice 7: effective going back to the federal government.

[1:25:07] Voice 7: I don't know.

[1:25:08] Voice 7: Yeah,

[1:25:08] Voice 13: well, I certainly wouldn't want to set an expectation that we were going to be able to change the process, or we were desiring to change the legislation, but I think that's really important.

[1:25:20] Voice 13: Laura Patrick?

[1:25:24] Voice 11: I made my views known in the last meeting, but reference was made to the Galliano's attendance system, which was approved in citing consultation protocol that was approved in 2018.

[1:25:36] Voice 11: So I assume it was based off the model bylaw, but it does look very different.

[1:25:41] Voice 11: But it really is extremely detailed in the consultation process.

[1:25:45] Voice 11: So I'm a bit curious, and I think that might be something of interest to give to the ABC as well,

[1:25:49] Voice 11: as the consultation protocols that are approved on

[1:25:54] Voice 11: Galliano in 2018,

[1:25:55] Voice 11: which to me sounds like it was close to the model bylaw, or did it get rescinded?

[1:26:02] Voice 11: But it's the basis.

[1:26:04] Voice 11: It sits on the books there in Galliano.

[1:26:07] Voice 11: So I think the question would be, is it legal, I guess, or consistent with the model bylaw?

[1:26:13] Voice 11: And is it something that we should be considering here, at least in the interim process?

[1:26:20] Voice 11: Because it does detail out the consultation process.

[1:26:24] Voice 6: So let's be very clear as to what it is we want the APC to do.

[1:26:29] Voice 6: do. Would we be saying to them, ATC, how do you feel about this? Would you have recommended

[1:26:38] Voice 6: it, bearing in mind that, in fact, we have endorsed it, the LTC has endorsed it? So it's

[1:26:45] Voice 6: a bit of a tricky question to ask them. And now, and I agree completely with Laura, that

[1:26:50] Voice 6: we should provide them with the additional information in case they recommend that we

[1:26:54] Voice 6: reopen not reopen but again we've looked at our whole process and so I just think

[1:27:01] Voice 6: we need to be very clear as to what it is we're going to ask them so you're

[1:27:05] Voice 13: absolutely right there because we don't actually want them to necessarily judge

[1:27:10] Voice 13: the decision we don't want to judge right but we would be interested in

[1:27:17] Voice 13: in whether or not they deem that, as they would normally,

[1:27:24] Voice 13: if it would be advanced to them, that that location is suitable

[1:27:27] Voice 13: and that the need in the community is legitimate.

[1:27:34] Voice 13: And then we would take that into account.

[1:27:38] Voice 13: But certainly, that's not helpful.

[1:27:41] Voice 13: We're not asking them to judge the decision of the author.

[1:27:45] Voice 6: But I suppose we could say that we have sent this letter

[1:27:50] Voice 6: to the feds in the event that they say that we can indeed open it up again how

[1:27:57] Voice 6: would they feel about it

[1:27:58] Voice 10: and

[1:28:00] Voice 13: then of course you know this is a political

[1:28:01] Voice 13: decision right yeah

[1:28:03] Voice 12: right we want to be careful about fighting volunteers into

[1:28:08] Voice 12: that political so

[1:28:13] Voice 6: so what's the answer then well

[1:28:16] Voice 13: I just have one other remark

[1:28:17] Voice 13: The thing that we've seen in some of the responses is a little confusion over the fact that model

[1:28:26] Voice 13: strategies do exist in some shape or form on other islands, and of course we have a

[1:28:32] Voice 13: model strategy which is in the wings that we can get to adopt, and those are not in

[1:28:37] Voice 13: force on Salisbury in any way, shape or form, and the one that we have is not in force and

[1:28:44] Voice 13: even if it was being forced tomorrow wouldn't affect the decision that has already been made

[1:28:48] Voice 13: and that's unfortunate timing and as I've indicated on the other LTCs that I've said

[1:28:55] Voice 13: on it's in the set it's in this LTC's interest to advance that work right because this isn't

[1:29:04] Voice 13: going to be the last cell tower somebody wants to put and that is something that you should get done

[1:29:10] Voice 13: right so I wouldn't necessarily want to confuse that with an APC referral but I

[1:29:16] Voice 13: certainly a better understanding of it is reasonable but that said all of the

[1:29:24] Voice 13: decisions that advice we receive need to be based in the context of the bylaws

[1:29:29] Voice 13: that we have. Would that be correct?

[1:29:32] Voice 7: Absolutely and you'll see that in the

[1:29:35] Voice 7: the staff's correspondence to the LTC and to the applicant,

[1:29:38] Voice 7: but that's what the LTC has adopted

[1:29:41] Voice 7: to evaluate the response and not the things you're talking

[1:29:46] Voice 7: about, but things that you're .

[1:29:48] Voice 13: I

[1:29:49] Voice 7: just wanted to

[1:29:49] Voice 13: round out that conversation to see whether or

[1:29:52] Voice 13: not there's some direction that seems reasonable

[1:29:54] Voice 13: and without setting expectations or whether we just simply need

[1:29:59] Voice 13: to wait and see.

[1:30:01] Voice 6: But in terms of timing, that's probably the sensible thing to do, wait for a response to our letter.

[1:30:06] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:30:06] Voice 6: If they shut it down, then they shut it down.

[1:30:10] Voice 6: But I'm hoping that they will leave the door open at crack.

[1:30:13] Voice 6: That would

[1:30:14] Voice 13: be the cleanest.

[1:30:14] Voice 6: And that would be the time to go to the ABC.

[1:30:17] Voice 13: Okay.

[1:30:19] Voice 13: So then we'll receive those letters then for information.

[1:30:24] Voice 13: I'm just going to scan through here.

[1:30:28] Voice 13: Anything else on the correspondence?

[1:30:30] Voice 13: Oh, so here we have some correspondence back and forth with Ms. McLean and Trustee Gilles

[1:30:38] Voice 13: regarding covenants for affordable housing.

[1:30:41] Voice 13: I'm not sure there's any action that we can undertake.

[1:30:44] Voice 13: I'm pleased to see that we've been able to do that.

[1:30:47] Voice 13: So, Trustee, is there anything you'd like to do to proceed with the information?

[1:30:57] Voice 13: And thank you for the work that you do on behalf of the community.

[1:31:01] Voice 13: So the next one here is for information, communications between our Regional Planning

[1:31:08] Voice 13: and the MLA's office regarding the Gulf Islands Forum.

[1:31:14] Voice 13: And I think we just received that information.

[1:31:17] Voice 13: Thank you for the communication back and forth.

[1:31:19] Voice 13: And then we have another item here for consideration

[1:31:24] Voice 13: from O'Donnell to the Local Trust Committee

[1:31:27] Voice 13: concerning the Coast Salish Peoples of Salt Spring Island.

[1:31:31] Voice 13: That's here for some consideration.

[1:31:33] Voice 13: And I will let you know,

[1:31:35] Voice 13: Well, I think you know that a letter has been sent

[1:31:39] Voice 13: to the O'Donnells and to the Coast Salish people

[1:31:45] Voice 13: of Salt Spring Island offering to hold a meeting with them

[1:31:53] Voice 13: at the earliest convenience.

[1:31:55] Voice 13: And we certainly want to have that conversation with them

[1:32:00] Voice 13: about the issues that concern them

[1:32:03] Voice 13: with their territorial rights and interests.

[1:32:06] Voice 13: So that's ongoing progress task.

[1:32:08] Voice 13: Is there any other action that the LTC would like to take

[1:32:11] Voice 13: with respect to 13.23?

[1:32:13] Voice 6: And Chair, in your capacity as the executive,

[1:32:16] Voice 6: do we know if there's been any kind of response from them?

[1:32:19] Voice 13: At this

[1:32:19] Voice 6: time, there has not been a response

[1:32:21] Voice 6: that I'm aware of,

[1:32:22] Voice 13: but that may come back.

[1:32:24] Voice 13: We may learn more from all of it.

[1:32:28] Voice 13: Moving on to 13.24, the final piece of correspondence,

[1:32:32] Voice 13: Maxine Lichter, September 13th,

[1:32:36] Voice 13: concerning groundwater project,

[1:32:37] Voice 13: And again, the suggestion is we received that information.

[1:32:40] Voice 13: And I thank you for your concerns about water.

[1:32:45] Voice 13: So if that's all right with the trustees,

[1:32:47] Voice 13: we'll receive that.

[1:32:50] Voice 13: So now we're going to move on to delegations.

[1:32:53] Voice 13: And I seem to like your opportunity

[1:32:58] Voice 13: to speak to the LTC today concerning

[1:33:00] Voice 13: the uploading of agricultural drugs.

[1:33:02] Voice 13: I might ask you to come up here a little closer

[1:33:04] Voice 13: so the recording will catch you.

[1:33:05] Voice 13: I know your voices are required.

[1:33:08] Voice 13: And so welcome, and thank you for joining us.

[1:33:11] Voice 1: this good can you hear me

[1:33:13] Voice 13: i honestly don't know but i think it's probably good okay

[1:33:17] Voice 1: uh the local

[1:33:19] Voice 1: trust committee is considering asking staff to prepare a bylaw to allow the already allowed

[1:33:24] Voice 1: second residence on land zones a1 and a2 to be occupied by other than farmers almost all of these

[1:33:34] Voice 1: properties are in the agricultural land reserve the purpose is to be consistent with new alr

[1:33:41] Voice 1: regulations. Those densities already exist. I'm here to ask you not to go beyond that

[1:33:49] Voice 1: to add any new density because other LTCs have already added more densities

[1:33:56] Voice 1: than are left by our APC. Our OCP states zoning changes should be avoided if they

[1:34:05] Voice 1: would likely result in a larger population than is expected under the

[1:34:10] Voice 1: development potential zone in 2008. Exceptions to this policy are few and minor. It's hard

[1:34:20] Voice 1: to protect my voice. That's good. Okay. Then, there is the Islands Trust Implementation

[1:34:28] Voice 1: Policy 525. LTCs shall, in their plans and bylaws, address means for achieving efficient

[1:34:38] Voice 1: use of the land base without exceeding any density limits to find in our

[1:34:42] Voice 1: fish and community plants. And further, the Local Government Act requires that all

[1:34:48] Voice 1: bylaws be consistent with the OCP. At the public meeting for Cottages Bylaw 512,

[1:34:57] Voice 1: staff stated they had a legal opinion that if only about 400 densities

[1:35:02] Voice 1: densities were added, it would not violate the OCP. The Cottages By-law did

[1:35:09] Voice 1: add 411 densities, but far more than the 400 densities have been added since 2008.

[1:35:18] Voice 1: In 2017, By-law 461 added over 1,500 suites, saying they were not densities,

[1:35:26] Voice 1: but obviously they allow another household and therefore they are density.

[1:35:31] Voice 1: density. To say they're not densities is just not honest. Also, rezoning for three affordable

[1:35:40] Voice 1: housing projects have added another approximately 100 densities, and two more such projects

[1:35:47] Voice 1: are in the planning stages. So we're about 1,700 densities over the 400 that the trust

[1:35:55] Voice 1: lawyer said would be considered consistent with the OCP. Now, regarding your consideration

[1:36:01] Voice 1: of rezoning for farm properties.

[1:36:04] Voice 1: Stats report there are 185 properties of farm status

[1:36:07] Voice 1: that are not in the A1, A2 agricultural zone.

[1:36:13] Voice 1: Those land owners may want to be able

[1:36:17] Voice 1: to rent out properties or have B&Bs,

[1:36:20] Voice 1: but to increase densities over what is allowed now

[1:36:24] Voice 1: will represent a further violation of our OCP,

[1:36:27] Voice 1: a violation of truck laws,

[1:36:29] Voice 1: and a violation of the local government. I have three suggestions. Rezone away the

[1:36:39] Voice 1: suites in the North Salt Spring Waterworks District. The water district

[1:36:43] Voice 1: will not service them. That's their policy. The water shortage there is

[1:36:49] Voice 1: likely to only get worse and that zoning is just creating problems for North

[1:36:54] Voice 1: salt free water works. Two, do not add more density to A1 or A2, meaning the ALR properties.

[1:37:03] Voice 1: The only possible need is to change how those densities can be used. That's what's changed

[1:37:09] Voice 1: the ALR regulation. If you do add uses, limit them to farm workers, essential workers, and

[1:37:20] Voice 1: and that they be rented at affordable rates.

[1:37:23] Voice 1: Yes, hard to enforce,

[1:37:26] Voice 1: but it would reflect community needs.

[1:37:29] Voice 1: Three, do not add densities to parcels,

[1:37:35] Voice 1: not zoned A1 or A2.

[1:37:39] Voice 1: Those are the agricultural properties and the ALR.

[1:37:42] Voice 1: If you do, you will be further rendering

[1:37:45] Voice 1: our OCP meaningless.

[1:37:47] Voice 1: Thanks.

[1:37:48] Voice 1: Thank

[1:37:49] Voice 13: you, and I don't believe we have that submission or we do not, so thank you very much.

[1:37:56] Voice 6: I was going to add and ask that

[1:37:58] Voice 6: I have difficulty hearing you, Maxine, so this will be handed in

[1:38:03] Voice 6: and could that be distributed to us soon?

[1:38:08] Voice 6: It's hard to...

[1:38:10] Voice 6: I think, what happened to our, we used to have a mic on that portable lectern.

[1:38:17] Voice 12: yeah this is an

[1:38:18] Voice 6: evolving yeah so we next time we need to bring that back i don't know we were sort

[1:38:23] Voice 7: of advised to

[1:38:23] Voice 7: avoid anything that requires well that's

[1:38:26] Voice 13: true that's true yeah

[1:38:27] Voice 7: in fact you know

[1:38:29] Voice 7: it's

[1:38:29] Voice 13: interesting people i know i see it all the time people use microphones in these coven times

[1:38:35] Voice 13: casually and i do know somebody that got covered and there's no longer with us because he was a

[1:38:41] Voice 13: musician he used a microphone on those live nights i

[1:38:47] Voice 6: got something that looked just like

[1:38:49] Voice 6: covid from speaking at an ask meeting which i was stepping in for an

[1:38:53] Voice 10: idea of a better trustee

[1:38:54] Voice 6: but um and just people should know there's a really nasty flu going around and and it's it

[1:39:00] Voice 6: looks just like covid but it isn't um i was going to say also i hope maxine you've passed a copy of

[1:39:06] Voice 6: that to the Driftwood because it's full of really interesting information and I know that it will be fascinating.

[1:39:14] Voice 13: Thank you everyone. So it was brought to my attention I skipped over some of the at least

[1:39:21] Voice 13: one of the other items in the addendum so there were two crest pieces in it at 13.25

[1:39:29] Voice 13: which is recommended for information so I'm going to assume you received that information

[1:39:33] Voice 13: And that was to Clark, Jay Clark, and a second one from Jay Clark to the LTC, whether or

[1:39:42] Voice 13: not there's any consideration the LTC would be able to apply to that or just receive it.

[1:39:49] Voice 13: I have no idea what

[1:39:50] Voice 6: you just said, I'm sorry.

[1:39:52] Voice 13: I think it was a point form.

[1:39:55] Voice 13: The other

[1:39:56] Voice 6: that was from Eric Booth on that.

[1:39:58] Voice 6: And

[1:39:58] Voice 13: the final one, so we'll just receive all of the Crest Rogers communication in one, as I indicated before.

[1:40:09] Voice 13: So 13.7 is from Eric Kuth concerning closure of application at Salt Spring Rezoning 2013.7.

[1:40:19] Voice 13: So I would suggest we take that into consideration when we look at that report, which is coming for us.

[1:40:25] Voice 13: All right. Thank you.

[1:40:27] Voice 13: um okay and so we're going to move now into the town hall your opportunity to address the trust

[1:40:38] Voice 13: committee if um you have something you'd like to bring to us if you are an applicant um here today

[1:40:44] Voice 13: you will have an opportunity to speak to your application when we uh get to it um but if you

[1:40:50] Voice 13: have something you need to bring to our attention today within the jurisdiction of the honest trust

[1:40:54] Voice 13: I'd be happy to hear from you and so if you want to just raise your hand and

[1:40:59] Voice 13: I'll go around the room in order and give you the opportunity to speak to the

[1:41:03] Voice 13: LTC. Anybody wish to address the LTC today? So one, two, all right so you start

[1:41:09] Voice 13: off

[1:41:10] Voice 1: and if you

[1:41:10] Voice 13: don't mind coming up a little forward as much as you're

[1:41:13] Voice 13: comfortable and if you speak loudly we should be able to record it.

[1:41:16] Voice 6: In fairness to the rest of the people in the meeting maybe if you stand up

[1:41:21] Voice 6: against that wall and just pretend you're on stage which you are

[1:41:31] Voice 17: to implement

[1:41:46] Voice 17: without delay emotions passed by the task force of the August 19th meeting

[1:41:50] Voice 17: These motions include deferring by-law enforcement against long-term use of commercial and seasonal accommodation,

[1:41:59] Voice 17: updating the Standing Resolution regarding unlawful dwellings to provide greater security for residents who are currently living in these homes and have nowhere else to go,

[1:42:08] Voice 17: developing procedures to expedite approvals and programming for affordable, supportive and social housing projects,

[1:42:14] Voice 17: and, importantly, updating the Secondary Suites By-law 461 to enable suites on more properties

[1:42:23] Voice 17: island-wide.

[1:42:24] Voice 17: And if I had more time, I would offer a counterbalance to the presentation you just heard on the

[1:42:29] Voice 17: numbers.

[1:42:30] Voice 17: In July 2019, we, Salt Spring Solutions, submitted immediate actions for addressing the housing

[1:42:37] Voice 17: crisis to you.

[1:42:39] Voice 17: The recommendations included actions the LTC can take to protect the existing affordable

[1:42:44] Voice 17: affordable housing stock,

[1:42:45] Voice 17: and provide additional contact and rental options.

[1:42:48] Voice 17: Our outlanding nations were grounded in decades of work

[1:42:51] Voice 17: completed by the Islands Trust itself on this exact topic.

[1:42:56] Voice 17: In October 2019, so two years ago this month,

[1:43:00] Voice 17: I stood here with representatives

[1:43:02] Voice 17: from Salt Spring Solutions, Transition Salt Spring,

[1:43:05] Voice 17: the Chamber of Commerce, the Housing Council,

[1:43:07] Voice 17: and other groups on the island

[1:43:09] Voice 17: to demand that we

[1:43:11] Voice 17: stop writing reports

[1:43:12] Voice 17: and start implementing the already known solutions.

[1:43:15] Voice 17: In the past two years, while we waited for action,

[1:43:18] Voice 17: the situation has deteriorated.

[1:43:19] Voice 17: Just look around town, ask at the hospital,

[1:43:22] Voice 17: inquire at the school district, at Country Grocer,

[1:43:26] Voice 17: community services, BC Ferry,

[1:43:30] Voice 17: ask the folks who work in our oil service economy.

[1:43:33] Voice 17: There is nowhere to rent,

[1:43:35] Voice 17: and there is no entry-level home ownership.

[1:43:37] Voice 17: None, there's none anywhere, gone.

[1:43:39] Voice 17: We have been polite. We have followed protocol, but you've squandered that opportunity and time.

[1:43:46] Voice 17: Do not push this off to another agenda. Do not order up another report or make our community wait another month, another year, any longer.

[1:43:56] Voice 17: We have volunteers and seasoned professionals ready to assist you, to supplement staff, to provide additional resources, draft by-laws, whatever it takes.

[1:44:05] Voice 17: What we don't

[1:44:06] Voice 10: have any more of

[1:44:07] Voice 17: is time or patience.

[1:44:08] Voice 17: Thank

[1:44:12] Voice 13: you very much.

[1:44:13] Voice 13: I'm

[1:44:15] Voice 16: sure you can

[1:44:18] Voice 13: speak after Mr. Helme.

[1:44:19] Voice 13: I'm

[1:44:27] Voice 2: addressing you today as the Chair of the Housing Program.

[1:44:30] Voice 2: At our August 19th meeting with a full host of staff in attendance,

[1:44:39] Voice 2: we, our task force, made a number of motions to recommend actions to LTC for immediate implementation.

[1:44:46] Voice 2: Most of these were in the form of suggestions for standing resolutions

[1:44:49] Voice 2: solutions that could be adopted to encourage and protect public and seasonal accommodation

[1:44:54] Voice 2: providers to provide housing for people in need, even if the situation might not be conforming

[1:44:59] Voice 2: to existing by-laws, while more lasting planning solutions are being identified and implemented.

[1:45:07] Voice 2: There is also recommendation to update the existing Suites by-law to encourage uptake

[1:45:12] Voice 2: and use of existing buildings for long-term housing by expanding the by-law to island-wide

[1:45:17] Voice 2: and allowing the use of accessory buildings as well as protecting water.

[1:45:23] Voice 2: This is a measure that will spread the permission in a flexible way across our

[1:45:26] Voice 2: private sector, allowing and encouraging those who want to help house their

[1:45:31] Voice 2: communities to do so with more flexible options about where on their property

[1:45:36] Voice 2: they can do so. Not only does this provide rental housing within the

[1:45:40] Voice 2: settlement pattern of existing infrastructure, it also provides mortgage

[1:45:44] Voice 2: helpers, multi-generational living, and options for elderly to downsize on their

[1:45:49] Voice 2: own property, perhaps to rent out their house to families in need. I have been

[1:45:54] Voice 2: previously told by staff, as a result of Social Solutions 2019 letter, that an

[1:46:01] Voice 2: update of this sort could be implemented relatively quickly, since the bylaw

[1:46:06] Voice 2: already exists. Now, last week or two weeks ago, I was told by staff from this

[1:46:12] Voice 2: from our housing project, that their report on our recommendation was being prepared for

[1:46:18] Voice 2: the November LTC meeting, and that the draft minutes of that meeting would be presented

[1:46:23] Voice 2: to the LTC in the agenda of this meeting, even though the LTC did already meet August

[1:46:29] Voice 2: 31st, where they could have already been presented, our minutes from that meeting could have been

[1:46:34] Voice 2: presented.

[1:46:35] Voice 2: I was shocked learning yesterday that they did not even appear in the agenda package

[1:46:40] Voice 2: for this meeting, while the September 16th minutes are there.

[1:46:46] Voice 2: What is the reason for this omission? I don't understand.

[1:46:52] Voice 2: The very nature and reason for our recommendations is to strive to get immediate emergency action to address the housing situation

[1:46:58] Voice 2: which is literally crumbling due to the lack of staff, not to mention all the various people experiencing housing difficulties.

[1:47:07] Voice 2: This has been going on for years and it's getting worse.

[1:47:10] Voice 2: The time is now to act with urgency and meaning and not fall into transactional complacency

[1:47:17] Voice 2: where it takes three months for recommendations to make their way from the advisory body to the decision makers.

[1:47:25] Voice 2: This must change. I urge this LTC to impress upon staff the urgency of this matter.

[1:47:32] Voice 2: I urge the LTC to pay attention to our recommendations and to direct staff to implement them in the most expedient manner possible.

[1:47:41] Voice 2: If you'd like to have copies of our minutes, would you like them?

[1:47:46] Voice 13: I think we have copies of the minutes is that not so that we haven't seen them it

[1:47:53] Voice 13: was raised earlier that the minutes were missing in our agenda package today and

[1:47:57] Voice 13: I think that I'll look to staff we need a copy of this man so the less we make

[1:48:03] Voice 13: it you can

[1:48:03] Voice 7: I'm not sure if you've got a

[1:48:12] Voice 6: copy there I'd like to have a piece

[1:48:25] It looks like that's all my time, so we obviously have time.

[1:48:31] Voice 10: Thank you very much.

[1:48:33] Voice 10: We'll

[1:48:42] Voice 2: take some of your time.

[1:48:44] Voice 13: Actually, if somebody else would like to, I might try and ask this question.

[1:48:50] Voice 13: Big guess was.

[1:48:52] Voice 13: Okay, thank you very much for your presentation.

[1:48:55] Voice 13: And we'll take that into consideration.

[1:49:00] Voice 13: So, Nathalie, do you need us to address the LPC?

[1:49:03] Voice 16: Yes, I do.

[1:49:03] Voice 16: Okay. I ask that you take those last two presentations in with a grain of salt, because salt-free

[1:49:11] Voice 16: island land...

[1:49:12] Voice 16: Maybe

[1:49:13] Voice 13: just speak to the issue rather than try

[1:49:15] Voice 16: to worry about somebody else, okay?

[1:49:16] Voice 13: To us.

[1:49:18] Voice 16: Not to them, but to you.

[1:49:19] Voice 16: But it's

[1:49:19] Voice 6: nice of them to be able to do this.

[1:49:20] Voice 13: It used

[1:49:20] Voice 16: to be all different, you know, with the microphone on the other side.

[1:49:23] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:49:23] Voice 12: I'm just

[1:49:23] Voice 16: suggesting. I haven't seen people for a long time.

[1:49:25] Voice 12: Me either.

[1:49:26] Voice 12: it um

[1:49:27] Voice 16: i'd like to say that um no matter how urgent it is things on the island have to be

[1:49:35] Voice 16: dealt with legally and with an even hand because for starters i'm in the other task force and

[1:49:41] Voice 16: none of our recommendations do we have that we would expect that it should be implemented

[1:49:47] Voice 16: and chastised i don't stress that it hasn't implemented things that are still in process

[1:49:53] Voice 16: So then if it becomes known that things from the other task force are now going to be implemented,

[1:49:59] Voice 16: it just puts a whole other slant on our whole process and it's just really unfair.

[1:50:05] Voice 16: And also, although these solutions sound good and simple, they involve not conducting property

[1:50:13] Voice 16: owners in a fair manner because generally what you really need is an even hand, like

[1:50:20] Voice 16: Even with things going on with the sewer capacity, even though it was upgraded, you still see that they're close to running out of capacity once again.

[1:50:31] Voice 16: And so you're looking at things with water systems and sewer systems in a queue.

[1:50:35] Voice 16: And why do certain developers get their permission to get all this extra zoning density?

[1:50:42] Voice 16: Why do certain people get allowed to bring in extra suites?

[1:50:45] Voice 16: I mean, you're opening up a hornet's nest.

[1:50:48] Voice 16: And people who live on Salt Spring should already know this and not continually berate the Honours Trust to solve the housing problem.

[1:50:55] Voice 16: We're dealing with generational issues with there being a lack of the young workers in the workforces that's going across all of Canada.

[1:51:03] Voice 16: And we're also dealing with a lot of corporations that employ people.

[1:51:08] Voice 16: And the people are making minimum wage and the housing prices are out of control.

[1:51:13] Voice 16: So you're looking at these hardworking groups who are trying to somehow bridge this gap and it's not an easy answer and the worst thing to do is to just bolt forward and not treat people with an even hand.

[1:51:26] Voice 16: Because it's really unfair, like I know that from being in a family who have the six acres there in Ganges, the decisions that were made in the past were not with this group at all and not with ever Peter Grove, not with ever George Brown.

[1:51:41] Voice 16: So I'm talking about going before some of the ideas were kind of half-baked because stuff has been allowed to have

[1:51:48] Voice 16: Placement for water for sewer that is currently even under construction based on 1999

[1:51:54] Voice 16: Agreements that isn't going to do anything for the affordable housing crisis

[1:51:58] Voice 16: So I think people need to realize we have to proceed carefully even though I do have feelings about the crisis, too

[1:52:04] Voice 16: But I wouldn't want to see new things just jump to it, you know, without going through the proper process. Thank you

[1:52:11] Voice 13: Thank you. All right. Anybody else wish to speak? Let's continue on. I'm just going to ask a question of staff, if you don't mind. Do you have any idea of what the uptake has been with the secondary suites that were zoned on the island? Have we had any? Or a very small number?

[1:52:35] Voice 13: We have approximately 4

[1:52:36] Voice 7: ,000 suites, but a lot of those are minors. The numbers are low, and

[1:52:50] Voice 6: there's all kinds of reasons for it.

[1:52:53] Voice 6: That's fine. Respond to that.

[1:52:54] Voice 6: and we might add with colleagues we might interrupt that with how about cottages beforehand

[1:53:00] Voice 7: cottages have actually had a better uptake um in just terms of built new build right so but

[1:53:05] Voice 7: it's hard to track new builds for secondary suites most most of them tend to be unlawful

[1:53:09] Voice 7: it's too expensive for them to build them and

[1:53:11] Voice 13: you know the cottages was just recent

[1:53:13] Voice 13: and of course we're in a in a very expensive building boom and so that's not maybe an ideal

[1:53:19] Voice 13: deal time but we might see more uptick with that okay well that's good thank you so shall i proceed

[1:53:27] Voice 13: to applications and referrals at this time and so the first one on our list then is 16.1

[1:53:34] Voice 13: yeah is 16.1 that's salt spring development variance permit 2021.11 um if you would at 106

[1:53:47] Voice 13: mckenzie present piers island and this is a development variance permit to increase the

[1:53:53] Voice 13: height of an accessory building and uh jordy gordon we are here to address that report and

[1:53:59] Voice 13: the applicant is here excellent thank you for joining us today and so the staff are going to

[1:54:04] Voice 13: make a report and then i'll give you an opportunity to speak to the report and uh and then we'll have

[1:54:09] Voice 13: a discussion at the table here so thank you for joining us so in the meantime jordy gordon over

[1:54:14] Voice 13: to you thank you chair um i guess as you

[1:54:16] Voice 5: said this is a branch from pierson to commit an increase

[1:54:19] Voice 5: increase in a proposed height increase in the proposed accessory building um the LTC did

[1:54:25] Voice 5: previously consider its application some cleaning pass the following resolution I won't read it

[1:54:32] Voice 5: entirely but essentially to retain an archaeologist to determine if the development activities

[1:54:39] Voice 5: proposed would damage or alter on any unrecorded portions of the registered protected archaeological

[1:54:46] Voice 5: site on the subject property. That was due to some mapping that indicated the proposed

[1:54:51] Voice 5: development areas within a 50 meter buffer of the registered site. The applicant did

[1:54:58] Voice 5: consult with an archaeologist who provided these sort of options. One is no further work

[1:55:07] Voice 5: and that's based on the idea that the proposed work is not within the registered boundary

[1:55:12] Voice 5: of the, sorry, not within the boundary of the registered site, and any other options

[1:55:20] Voice 5: to obtain permits under the Heritage Conservation Act to conduct assessments, yeah, and it was

[1:55:27] Voice 5: indicated they would like to proceed with option one, which would be no further work

[1:55:32] Voice 5: required, and just follow a transplant protocol, which would mean that, you know, if something

[1:55:36] Voice 5: something is discovered during ground disturbance that they would be required to basically stop

[1:55:44] Voice 5: work and consult an archaeologist and likely obtain permits this information doesn't really

[1:55:52] Voice 5: change the assessment that staff has made of the requirement for further information

[1:55:58] Voice 5: it was known that the proposed structure was not within the registered site but out of abundance

[1:56:06] Voice 5: of caution that it is within that 15-year buffer that further investigation work be done that would

[1:56:14] Voice 5: likely require archaeologists going on site to conduct some level of assessment so that's

[1:56:20] Voice 5: the remaining recommendation from staff is to defer this consideration until that

[1:56:29] Voice 5: information is submitted by the applicant as requested in the previous LTC resolution

[1:56:38] Voice 5: I'd be happy to take any questions.

[1:56:39] Voice 13: Thank you, Glen and Gordon.

[1:56:41] Voice 13: So, is it Mr. Isherwood?

[1:56:44] Voice 13: Yes.

[1:56:45] Voice 13: You'd like to address the local trust committee

[1:56:47] Voice 13: with respect to the recommendation that would have been suggested.

[1:56:55] Voice 13: Thank you,

[1:56:55] Voice 8: Doug, Peter and Maureen, Peter and Jordi.

[1:56:58] Voice 8: I appreciate it.

[1:56:59] Voice 8: So, the last thing, we did go over retaining archaeologists to look at the site.

[1:57:04] Voice 8: I reached out to the archaeologist.

[1:57:06] Voice 8: his name is Johnny Hall at Stantec in Sydney. I gave him all the information I have and then we

[1:57:13] Voice 8: went through some of the documents that were available on site regarding the DERU 89 on Piers

[1:57:21] Voice 8: Island. Regarding this site the archaeologist said that we are actually outside of the buffer zone

[1:57:29] Voice 8: and if you would like to look at the map for just some extras for you.

[1:57:32] Voice 8: you. But the red zone is the area of potentially high archaeological data, and the yellow zone

[1:57:42] Voice 8: next to it is the buffer zone that he was mentioning. Our proposed building is quite

[1:57:54] Voice 8: a ways back. If you had a map up on the screen earlier, so our development that we're proposing

[1:58:01] Voice 8: is back here, quite a bit away from that yellow zone and the red zone.

[1:58:06] Voice 8: And as you can see on the map, the other map that I gave you, the DRU89, extends multiple

[1:58:13] Voice 8: properties mostly to the west of our property.

[1:58:17] Voice 8: This includes the Bells property, the Cripps property, and the Days property, all of which

[1:58:24] Voice 8: have had major development occur on their sites, including heavy digging.

[1:58:28] Voice 8: And the two properties to the east of us have also made major developments including heavy

[1:58:33] Voice 8: excavation of their sites, and none of which have found any archaeological data whatsoever

[1:58:38] Voice 8: through the process of their development.

[1:58:41] Voice 8: The building itself was designed in such a way to provide minimal damage to the site.

[1:58:47] Voice 8: That was the whole design intent behind the drawing sets.

[1:58:50] Voice 8: We are not excavating, we're doing a drawing set on posts and beam, so we can do minimal

[1:58:55] Voice 8: damage to both the environment and the site itself. And based on this information, Johnnie,

[1:59:02] Voice 8: the archaeologist, recommended that a chance plant protocol would be more than sufficient

[1:59:06] Voice 8: because he does not believe that there will be any archaeological data or information available

[1:59:12] Voice 8: on the site based on his recommendation. Having been there, oh sorry, in addition to that,

[1:59:21] Voice 8: we are building on top of a site that has been previously occupied for 50 years by a

[1:59:26] Voice 8: my grandfather and he bought it and built on it and he's never found any evidence of any

[1:59:31] Voice 8: archaeological data there he also mentioned that when he went and bought the property to look at

[1:59:35] Voice 8: it he brought his friend who was an anthropologist at the University of Victoria to look at the site

[1:59:42] Voice 8: and ask if there's any possible archaeological data there to which the archaeologist said no

[1:59:47] Voice 8: it appears that was not really a great place for the First Nations communities

[1:59:51] Voice 8: as a permanent dwelling set as a summer harvesting site it was wonderful but not for

[1:59:55] Voice 8: So there's particularly no interest in our site because of that.

[2:00:00] Voice 8: rocky habitat and lack of sandy muddy beach area. This is again just based on my own information

[2:00:10] Voice 8: you know it's rough to take my word for it but my grandfather has always taught me how to respect

[2:00:15] Voice 8: the First Nations communities and he's always taking me to sites that are places of importance

[2:00:20] Voice 8: and if you were to ever find a site of archaeological significance on our site throughout the 50 years

[2:00:25] Voice 8: he's owned the place he would have gone to great lengths to protect it and to preserve it because

[2:00:30] Voice 8: he does have a great care and respect for these sorts of pieces of information and history.

[2:00:36] Voice 8: So that is sort of all the information that I have on it. I respect the intent to attain

[2:00:44] Voice 8: an archaeologist and to perform the necessary work to protect the site if there were any

[2:00:50] Voice 8: information, but based on the professional recommendation of John E. Hall, I do not believe

[2:00:56] Voice 8: that it is necessary to go anywhere further beyond a um chance of hypothetical one last thing would

[2:01:05] Voice 8: be that um based on the time estimates and the budgeting estimates of this sort of hierarchical

[2:01:14] Voice 8: assessment it would likely kill the project because we don't have the

[2:01:18] Voice 8: funds to continue which may be part of that consideration going forward so i open up to you

[2:01:25] Voice 8: I'm happy to have discussion. Please feel free to ask me questions or anything I'd like to say and then you'll

[2:01:31] Voice 13: listen. Thank you

[2:01:32] Voice 13: Okay, thank you

[2:01:33] Voice 13: And so I'll just ask the trustees if you have any questions for the applicant or staff with respect to this

[2:01:42] Voice 13: the outstanding

[2:01:44] Voice 13: recommendation

[2:01:50] Voice 11: Thank you, I remember we had the conversation before you know, we didn't really have a lot one you're on the screen about this

[2:02:00] Voice 11: I'm

[2:02:01] Voice 11: happy to see the work that you've done

[2:02:04] Voice 11: to educate yourself on the property

[2:02:06] Voice 11: and the potential

[2:02:08] Voice 11: archaeological

[2:02:09] Voice 11: and I wanted to be here today

[2:02:12] Voice 11: thanks for coming over from Paris

[2:02:13] Voice 11: to be here

[2:02:14] Voice 11: and I

[2:02:18] Voice 11: think to me

[2:02:20] Voice 11: you've satisfied

[2:02:22] Voice 11: that you understand and respect

[2:02:25] Voice 11: the

[2:02:27] Voice 11: chance that

[2:02:29] Voice 11: something could be there and even I understand even if an archaeologist were

[2:02:35] Voice 11: to do a report they probably still subject you to the chance find

[2:02:39] Voice 11: procedures at the end of the day if they found no evidence so I would I think be

[2:02:46] Voice 11: satisfied that the learning has occurred that needed to occur on this

[2:02:51] Voice 11: this property that I trust you to subject the chance find on a seriously

[2:02:57] Voice 11: to your, you know, to the contractors on your site,

[2:03:00] Voice 11: that they would be upheld to that.

[2:03:02] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:03:05] Voice 13: Peter.

[2:03:07] Voice 13: Yeah,

[2:03:08] Voice 6: it could be something to do

[2:03:10] Voice 6: with the fact that we're all wearing masks

[2:03:13] Voice 6: and that my hearing isn't as good as it should be.

[2:03:16] Voice 6: But I didn't think I yet understand

[2:03:18] Voice 6: why it is that you're not providing the information

[2:03:23] Voice 6: that staff have requested.

[2:03:25] Voice 6: I don't quite, what is the impediment to that?

[2:03:29] Voice 8: The archaeologist, Johnny, who I talked to at Stantec, said it was a minimum six-month wait time to get an assessment done, and it was an $11,000 fee.

[2:03:37] Voice 8: How much?

[2:03:38] Voice 8: $11,000.

[2:03:39] Voice 8: $11

[2:03:39] Voice 6: ,000. That's an impediment. And when did you get that request from Stott?

[2:03:51] Voice 8: That would have been at the July meeting.

[2:03:55] Voice 8: Oh, 21.

[2:03:56] Voice 8: Yes. I had a conversation with the archaeologists at Santec throughout August and I did not submit the information at the end of August.

[2:04:14] Voice 6: It seems to me we are caught between a rock and a hard place because on the one hand we are saying we are bending over backwards to look after the interests of our First Nations.

[2:04:23] Voice 6: And so it's very hard, for me anyway, to ignore that.

[2:04:29] Voice 8: Absolutely. And I respect the lengths you are going to preserve any sites.

[2:04:40] Voice 8: That's part of the design is to protect what is there.

[2:04:48] Voice 8: Right.

[2:04:53] Voice 6: And what I don't understand also is why, you know, it seems to me that the building is

[2:04:58] Voice 6: quite well removed from the archaeological, the sensitive area, it's right halfway down

[2:05:06] Voice 6: the property.

[2:05:07] Voice 6: Yes.

[2:05:11] Voice 6: Curious to know what our staff would say to that.

[2:05:14] Voice 6: Sure.

[2:05:15] Voice 6: If that's all right, Charlie?

[2:05:16] Voice 6: Sure.

[2:05:16] Voice 13: Maybe how about I just chime in for a moment.

[2:05:19] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:05:19] Voice 6: and

[2:05:19] Voice 13: then we can go to staff to clarify.

[2:05:24] Voice 13: It's notwithstanding that the archaeological branch has

[2:05:29] Voice 13: actually asked for this.

[2:05:31] Voice 13: It's not necessarily so much that the archive remains

[2:05:35] Voice 13: at the archive, but they retain an eligible consulting

[2:05:38] Voice 13: archaeologist to determine the impact to the known site

[2:05:42] Voice 13: prior to development.

[2:05:44] Voice 13: Certainly, I understand that the location

[2:05:48] Voice 13: location you're planning on building isn't in the mapped area, but our experience throughout

[2:05:53] Voice 13: the Islands Trust area is those maps are very poor. And they in fact indicate in the information

[2:06:01] Voice 13: from the Archaeological Branch, it says, quite often it says that although it's not covered

[2:06:07] Voice 13: on the map, any area, you know, 500 meters or so out from that, there may be. But the

[2:06:14] Voice 13: The other thing that we come to know and learn is that, you know, 150, 200, 300 years later and that people haven't actually been there doesn't mean that there's not something that is there that an archaeologist is able to determine.

[2:06:29] Voice 13: It's unfortunate that SANFAC is expensive and I don't have any way of gauging whether that's overly expensive or not and that they're so busy that they can't get to you.

[2:06:39] Voice 13: But they're not the only company available, even individual archaeologists that are out there that are certified to make it.

[2:06:47] Voice 13: Okay, well, that's unfortunate. That's the way it is. That's out of our control.

[2:06:53] Voice 13: But we have made a commitment at the Islands Trust to respect and take every effort necessary

[2:07:01] Voice 13: to ensure that the interests of our First Nations, of the First Nations, are respected.

[2:07:07] Voice 13: And it is absolutely heart-wrenching and it's the one thing I don't want to wake up to any morning is news of another archaeological site where the remains of ancestors has been unearthed because we didn't do the right thing.

[2:07:27] Voice 13: And I honestly believe this is the right thing to do.

[2:07:30] Voice 13: But I completely understand the predicament you're in, but there are too many stories especially on the southern Gulf Islands.

[2:07:39] Voice 13: And I, as knowledgeable as your grandfather may have been, I'm sure that nations would have been on Piers Island historically.

[2:07:50] Voice 8: There were definitely some significant sites that exist on Pisco Beach and around by Pearl Island.

[2:07:59] Voice 8: So

[2:08:00] Voice 13: I'm inclined to want to see that report and I'm sorry if it impacts your development but yeah, it's a tough one for us as well to leave this.

[2:08:14] Voice 8: The chance find is

[2:08:19] Voice 13: potentially an excavator digging up the remains of an ancestor.

[2:08:28] Voice 13: But

[2:08:28] Voice 9: you're not using exudates, to be honest.

[2:08:31] Voice 13: I

[2:08:32] Voice 9: don't know what you're getting.

[2:08:36] Voice 9: Well,

[2:08:36] Voice 13: I don't know how it is you're going to go about doing what you need.

[2:08:40] Voice 13: But, yeah.

[2:08:41] Voice 13: Yeah, I would be concerned about any disturbance.

[2:08:45] Voice 13: And so I would need to know that there would be absolutely no disturbance

[2:08:49] Voice 13: and that we don't need for an action plan.

[2:08:53] Voice 13: But I've taken my leave from the local trust committee.

[2:08:56] Voice 13: And, Laura, I think you feel some confidence in what we've heard today.

[2:09:04] Voice 11: I have spent some time with peers, and I think the old-time residents, which sounds like

[2:09:15] Voice 11: your grandfather's home, are fully aware of where the archaeological sites have been found

[2:09:20] Voice 11: and discovered on the island.

[2:09:21] Voice 11: It came up through, and that was not even talking about them.

[2:09:24] Voice 11: So it is, and before we didn't have that chance to have the conversation that we're

[2:09:33] Voice 11: having now is that I said the applicant is showing that he is interested, he is educating

[2:09:39] Voice 11: himself, he's taking those steps. And like I said, regardless of the findings of the

[2:09:48] Voice 11: archaeological report, he'd still be stuck. I mean, he should always have the chance find

[2:09:54] Voice 11: in place. So, you know, due to the nature of this, I think I'm comfortable with chance

[2:10:02] Voice 11: chance find as being the appropriate step forward in this case for this size you know it's not like

[2:10:10] Voice 11: if they were building a massive house on this lot would be a very different story right

[2:10:15] Voice 13: yeah I

[2:10:17] Voice 13: realize it's not the building so you know I'll now go back to staff because of that one remark

[2:10:27] Voice 13: but maybe you could include in your remarks why it is that you said in the report that they were

[2:10:33] Voice 13: the advice remains that the applicant that's what you know we are so often critical of the

[2:10:45] Voice 13: aircraft for what they don't do and now they're saying do something it seems to be critical to

[2:10:52] Voice 13: not do it today over

[2:10:54] Voice 5: to you thank you chair um yeah i'll do my best to sort of try to explain

[2:10:58] Voice 5: that um as the applicant has indicated the the site um does not overlap with the proposed building

[2:11:04] Voice 5: site um but what what staff are working off of um is is a buffer we don't include knots in our

[2:11:11] Voice 5: reports just because this is sort of you know private information but yeah i understand that

[2:11:15] Voice 13: um

[2:11:16] Voice 5: there is there is a buffer what we're calling a buffer of this of this area which extends about

[2:11:21] Voice 5: 50 meters from the boundary of the site so that the proposed building is within that buffer

[2:11:25] Voice 5: and that's why out of sort of an abundance of caution we're requesting um this report in line

[2:11:31] Voice 5: with the advice from the art branch which was to you know request or recommend but not require

[2:11:38] Voice 5: certainly if the building was within the bounds of the site there'd be no question enough to go

[2:11:43] Voice 5: through the permitting process of the heritage conservation act but it's really just that

[2:11:48] Voice 5: you know during that sort of buffer that you know it's a it's a strong recommendation it's not a

[2:11:54] Voice 5: requirement and that's that's the advice from the art branch so staff have just sort of carried that

[2:11:59] Voice 5: through and recommendation field you see that that be provided you know it's out of you know

[2:12:05] Voice 5: i would say an abundance of caution for for having a better sense of what might be let me get into

[2:12:11] Voice 5: prior to any kind of sort of work so

[2:12:14] Voice 13: let me just be clear so you're saying that the proposed

[2:12:16] Voice 13: construction is within the buffer within

[2:12:19] Voice 5: that buffer that 50 meter buffer outside

[2:12:21] Voice 5: of the actual

[2:12:22] Voice 5: outside of this of this site that has been

[2:12:25] Voice 5: identified okay so on on our mapping that we use

[2:12:30] Voice 5: internally it's got the sites and then it's got sort of this this buffer area which we've actually

[2:12:35] Voice 5: been advised uh by the art branch that this is you know an area of concern as well that that

[2:12:42] Voice 5: work that occurs within this buffer area should be treated with a bit more deference than

[2:12:47] Voice 5: than just the hard line of the site okay

[2:12:51] Voice 13: did your grandfather

[2:12:53] Voice 5: build the house yes

[2:13:06] Voice 6: I'm struggling with this for the same reasons but having said that is there

[2:13:14] Voice 6: another any input from First Nations themselves have we asked for that's a

[2:13:19] Voice 6: good question have we asked for the opinion of a knowledge keeper

[2:13:35] Voice 13: And there was some discussion in here about, so are you doing any disturbance with the ground?

[2:13:42] Voice 8: We are drilling for solitudes and posts.

[2:13:45] Voice 8: Say that again?

[2:13:46] Voice 8: We're going to drill down to the solitudes and then put posts on concrete solitude foundations.

[2:13:51] Voice 6: How many posts?

[2:13:52] Voice 8: I believe there's 14.

[2:13:54] Voice 13: Fourteen.

[2:13:55] Voice 8: And

[2:13:56] Voice 13: is your intention to have a First Nations person on site during that work?

[2:14:02] Voice 8: It was not part of the drill.

[2:14:07] Voice 13: So, you know, we've done that in the past where a First Nations person is hired and is a witness and has skills to manage a chance line, which I would suggest would be the minimum necessary standard.

[2:14:23] Voice 13: And hopefully it's nothing occurs and you just learn. It's a learning opportunity.

[2:14:28] Voice 13: But I would be more comfortable with advancing if that was a requirement. Do we have the ability to make that a requirement?

[2:14:36] Voice 13: I think we've done it in the past, I remember on the headgear, could you repeat the question?

[2:14:43] Voice 13: Sorry, I was interacting with my email. What was the question?

[2:14:46] Voice 13: Whether or not we can require First Nations expert to be onsite during the land disturbance process.

[2:15:02] Voice 13: I know we've done it on a pendant in the past.

[2:15:05] Voice 7: I'm just thinking about the legalities with the variance permitting, how far you can.

[2:15:08] Voice 7: As long as you can make any resolution that's relevant to the variance at the time.

[2:15:15] Voice 7: Relevant to, sorry.

[2:15:18] Voice 7: You can make any resolution that's relevant to the variance at the time.

[2:15:22] Voice 13: I see.

[2:15:23] Voice 7: So I caution yes, you could, if that was, you know,

[2:15:28] Voice 7: strictly talking about the development of the site,

[2:15:30] Voice 7: if you want somebody to, it just has to be relevant to that.

[2:15:35] Voice 13: So, you know, in terms of timing here, is it necessary, is there an urgency to this

[2:15:42] Voice 13: be approved today, or that we could find out more relevant information about this avenue

[2:15:47] Voice 13: and provide that approval at either our next meeting or some other time?

[2:15:53] Voice 13: Does that upset your time schedule too much?

[2:15:56] Voice 8: Not necessarily.

[2:15:58] Voice 8: I mean, we've already put this back eight months now.

[2:16:01] Voice 13: I'm sorry for that.

[2:16:02] Voice 8: So it would be nice

[2:16:05] Voice 13: to have a resolution and move forward soon.

[2:16:08] Voice 13: We want to be sure that we do the right thing and honor your interest as well.

[2:16:13] Voice 13: I

[2:16:14] Voice 8: will say that when I was talking to the archaeological branch, they said that no one has visited this site since 1971.

[2:16:18] Voice 8: Say that again?

[2:16:20] Voice 8: No one has visited this site since 1971.

[2:16:22] Voice 8: In 1971, the heart of the site is on top of Bob Crooks' property, and there's been five houses with large excavations on top of what is the actual archaeological site.

[2:16:38] Voice 8: And then they made a buffer, and then we're outside the buffer, like that little corner that's up here.

[2:16:43] Voice 8: So, I, again, I understand where you're coming from, but I really, I'm passionate,

[2:16:52] Voice 13: but I do not believe that there's going to be any possible data found.

[2:16:55] Voice 13: I understand. I know that I have faith that you're working in this. But the trouble is that none of us know.

[2:17:03] Voice 13: I know. I appreciate it.

[2:17:04] Voice 13: So

[2:17:05] Voice 6: I just want to

[2:17:06] Voice 6: emphasize that if this were up to me right now from what you've said and nothing else

[2:17:11] Voice 6: I would I would support your request

[2:17:13] Voice 6: I have a real problem with having been asked by the archaeological branch made a strong recommendation

[2:17:19] Voice 6: And I have a big problem in ignoring that. I just don't know how to deal with it

[2:17:26] Voice 8: I'm sorry, so you're talking to the staff separately?

[2:17:32] Voice 8: No,

[2:17:33] Voice 5: that was within

[2:17:33] Voice 8: your initials.

[2:17:35] Voice 8: His response to me was that there is no need to continue with a full accessibility assessment.

[2:17:40] Voice 8: He said those three options were the route forward.

[2:17:44] Voice 8: I can do the minimum or I can do the most.

[2:17:46] Voice 8: He said there is no strong need to give any accessibility assessment.

[2:17:50] Voice 8: And

[2:17:51] Voice 6: so the minimum that, whatever

[2:17:55] Voice 13: you like to call it.

[2:17:56] Voice 12: Chainspines?

[2:17:56] Voice 12: So we

[2:17:58] Voice 12: need to have the

[2:17:58] Voice 13: clarity on the request of the ARC branch,

[2:18:01] Voice 13: and we're talking about the archaeology branch,

[2:18:05] Voice 13: that if their request is not as it is phrased here,

[2:18:11] Voice 13: then it would change our point of view.

[2:18:17] Voice 8: Do you have any email correspondence

[2:18:22] Voice 8: So I can forward you the information, he said he'd be happy to contact you if needed.

[2:18:28] Voice 8: I don't really understand that today.

[2:18:30] Voice 13: We can't do that today.

[2:18:32] Voice 12: So I would suggest we defer this application to our next meeting as pending further information.

[2:18:42] Voice 13: We'd love to approve it with

[2:18:44] Voice 12: a clear consensus.

[2:18:46] Voice 13: I appreciate that.

[2:18:51] Voice 6: I'm happy to do that.

[2:18:52] Voice 6: Well,

[2:18:53] Voice 12: let me just confirm with staff that we have an expectation that it's a few reports?

[2:18:58] Voice 7: Well, just to be clear, and I apologize for blanking out on your staff report,

[2:19:08] Voice 7: if you have all the information you need to make a decision.

[2:19:11] Voice 7: With respect, I think you have clear recommendations from the Archaeology Guide,

[2:19:19] Voice 7: but that's as far as they can go.

[2:19:22] Voice 13: Okay,

[2:19:23] Voice 7: but what the

[2:19:24] Voice 13: applicant is saying is different.

[2:19:27] Voice 5: Yes, go ahead.

[2:19:28] Voice 5: So if I

[2:19:28] Voice 5: may, I just want to make sure there's a clear line

[2:19:32] Voice 5: between what the occupant has obtained from Stantec.

[2:19:36] Voice 5: It's different than

[2:19:38] Voice 5: the other branch.

[2:19:38] Voice 5: Yes, it's different than the advice that has been received

[2:19:41] Voice 5: from the archaeology branch as a result of their information

[2:19:44] Voice 5: request when the application was submitted, which is,

[2:19:47] Voice 5: I mean, I can read it out of here if you'd like.

[2:19:50] Voice 13: Yeah,

[2:19:51] Voice 5: it's that information from Stantec.

[2:19:52] Voice 13: That's not the other branch.

[2:19:54] Voice 8: Great. May we hear what the archaeologist, Simon Hearns with the Archebranch has recommended tonight?

[2:20:17] Voice 5: Yes, please.

[2:20:18] Voice 5: Sure, I mean it's a bit of an email, but the important part is here.

[2:20:25] Voice 5: If land and altering activities are planned outside of the archaeological site, which is the red area,

[2:20:30] Voice 5: shown in the screenshot below,

[2:20:33] Voice 5: provincial heritage permit may not be required prior to commencement of those activities.

[2:20:37] Voice 5: However, there is a high potential for the archaeological site to extend beyond the limits

[2:20:42] Voice 5: indicated in the screenshot below, or that other unknown unrecorded archaeological deposits

[2:20:47] Voice 5: are located on the property, and a provincial heritage permit will be required if archaeological

[2:20:52] Voice 5: deposits are exposed and or impacted during land altering activities.

[2:20:57] Voice 5: Unpermitted damage or alteration of a protected archaeological site is a contravention of

[2:21:02] Voice 5: HCA and requires that land altering activities be halted until the contravention has been

[2:21:07] Voice 5: investigated and permit requirements have been established this can result in significant project

[2:21:11] Voice 5: delays therefore the archaeology branch strongly recommends engaging eligible consulting

[2:21:17] Voice 5: archaeologists prior to any land altering activities the archaeologists will review the

[2:21:23] Voice 5: proposed activities verify archaeological records and possibly conduct a walk-on and or an archaeological

[2:21:29] Voice 5: impact assessment of the project area to determine whether the proposed activities are likely to

[2:21:35] Voice 5: damage or alter any unrecorded portions of a protected archaeological site yeah

[2:21:43] Voice 13: you know i

[2:21:44] Voice 13: don't know that's a strong recommendation to get an archaeology yes as we see in some situations

[2:21:50] Voice 13: where the arch branch will say no we don't believe there's any impact and they're clear

[2:21:55] Voice 13: this is clearly in the opposite direction to me but

[2:21:59] Voice 6: sorry i'm having a i'm very slow but the rtca

[2:22:03] Voice 6: who's the professional based upon what we've just heard we've been told that

[2:22:09] Voice 6: the applicant needs to hire a registered archaeologist and so they've got a

[2:22:14] Voice 6: registered archaeologist through Stantec and Stantec has said right here are the

[2:22:19] Voice 6: options in order to comply with basically the art branch I think if you

[2:22:26] Voice 6: do any of these things you're complying with the art branch's requirement

[2:22:29] Voice 6: the requirement and number one is the no further work one which um i am leaning towards quite

[2:22:36] Voice 6: frankly um i don't know who supervises the the work to ensure that if you do find it

[2:22:42] Voice 6: you know so you find an out of fact um you're on your honor to report it yes and if you don't what

[2:22:50] Voice 6: what happens?

[2:22:51] Voice 8: If I don't find an artifact, then under chat's time profile, I don't have a point.

[2:22:56] Voice 6: Sorry, I did not hear that.

[2:22:58] Voice 8: If I don't

[2:22:58] Voice 8: find any artifact...

[2:22:59] Voice 6: No, no, no.

[2:22:59] Voice 6: If you do find some artifact...

[2:23:01] Voice 8: Yes.

[2:23:01] Voice 6: And then, I mean, you might be tempted to just bury it under a rock.

[2:23:05] Voice 8: Yes.

[2:23:06] Voice 8: You'll have to take my word for it that I will not do that.

[2:23:10] Voice 8: I know you don't have any .

[2:23:12] Voice 8: I do have a...

[2:23:14] Voice 8: But that is a worry.

[2:23:15] Voice 8: Of course.

[2:23:16] Voice 8: I understand that.

[2:23:16] Voice 8: You can take any word for it.

[2:23:19] Voice 8: But I have received, I will be receiving chancellery protocol steps from John, and we can have a secondary reference on site.

[2:23:30] Voice 6: My reading of this, and I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not an expert by a long shot,

[2:23:36] Voice 6: but suggests that the no further work is an option which would be acceptable to the art branch.

[2:23:43] Voice 6: Yes or no? Somebody tell me, not you.

[2:23:49] Voice 6: you do you believe that Laura that

[2:23:53] Voice 11: would generally be my understanding because

[2:23:54] Voice 11: like I said even if they do a study and if they find nothing in the study they're

[2:24:02] Voice 11: gonna still say chance find protocol

[2:24:03] Voice 6: because that's

[2:24:05] Voice 11: that's the outcome so

[2:24:07] Voice 11: that's

[2:24:08] Voice 6: what I'm leaning towards now and I sort of see start nodding with it

[2:24:17] Voice 13: actually the recommendation

[2:24:18] Voice 13: from staff is to defer but

[2:24:20] Voice 6: yeah but we've had a further

[2:24:23] Voice 6: robust as my dear friend elizabeth nolan used to say a discussion on that the

[2:24:37] Voice 13: direction of the ltc

[2:24:38] Voice 13: i however still have my concerns because quite honestly um having had some familiarity with

[2:24:51] Voice 13: Would you recognize an archaeological site if you saw it?

[2:24:57] Voice 8: I believe so. Yes. I believe so, yes.

[2:25:03] Voice 8: I've been to quite a few archaeological sites on the west coast of Canada.

[2:25:08] Voice 8: The one over by Colbert Harbour, often here.

[2:25:19] Voice 8: I believe that I would have the skill to identify such things.

[2:25:24] Voice 8: Even if it was something that I questioned or had concerns about or didn't know what it was,

[2:25:30] Voice 8: And of course

[2:25:32] Voice 13: the implications are if something is found, as indicated in the art, there is

[2:25:38] Voice 13: significant delays or results.

[2:25:41] Voice 13: And what does the

[2:25:43] Voice 6: LTC want to do?

[2:25:45] Voice 6: I'm happy to proceed with option number one.

[2:25:48] Voice 6: Based on my understanding, which I have stated and I could say it one more time, the arch

[2:25:53] Voice 6: rancher said that we need to get an expert, an archaeologist, to look at this.

[2:26:00] Voice 6: the archaeologist has come and said, in order to meet the art branch's requirements, these are the

[2:26:06] Voice 6: options you have. Option number one is not necessarily the preferred one, but in their list

[2:26:12] Voice 6: is no further work, and then they provide details as to what that actually means. So, am I right?

[2:26:23] Voice 5: Yes, that's correct. I mean,

[2:26:24] Voice 5: I think obviously, you know, the consulting archaeologist is

[2:26:29] Voice 5: is correct and these are the options that under the requirements of the HCA there's no requirement

[2:26:35] Voice 5: that further work be done that's ultimately what it comes down to it's it's a recommendation it's

[2:26:41] Voice 5: not a requirement for the work to be done so it was just sort of a passing on of this

[2:26:46] Voice 5: recommendation but certainly there's obviously you know joining at Stantec is correct that

[2:26:52] Voice 5: that there's no requirement that this be undertaken.

[2:27:06] Voice 6: Sorry, but their recommendation was

[2:27:08] Voice 6: no, that they needed archaeologists

[2:27:14] Voice 6: to look at the situation.

[2:27:19] Voice 6: They didn't say stop work, period.

[2:27:22] Voice 6: That's the end of it, right?

[2:27:26] Voice 5: Yes, their recommendation was that the archaeologists would

[2:27:30] Voice 5: review the activities, verify records,

[2:27:32] Voice 5: records, possibly conduct a walk-on, sorry, a walk-over, and potentially an archaeological

[2:27:39] Voice 5: impact assessment.

[2:27:40] Voice 6: And a walk-over just means a walk-around, and yeah, so yeah, I think we're being a bit

[2:27:46] Voice 6: heavy-handed just to shut the whole thing down, so I'm happy to go along with option

[2:27:52] Voice 6: number one.

[2:27:54] Voice 14: Make a resolution.

[2:27:56] Voice 14: Do we have that?

[2:27:58] Voice 6: Page 181.

[2:27:59] Voice 14: Page 181.

[2:28:00] Voice 14: Sorry?

[2:28:01] Voice 11: 181.

[2:28:02] Voice 6: Thank you.

[2:28:02] Voice 6: So, I think all we need to do then is to approve this application.

[2:28:18] Voice 13: The motion is there,

[2:28:19] Voice 6: which is the approval one.

[2:28:20] Voice 6: But that will ensure that the applicant has to pursue the option number one.

[2:28:30] Voice 13: I'm sorry. The alternate motion approves the application is a simple one line.

[2:28:38] Voice 13: and will allow them to continue on.

[2:28:40] Voice 13: They are obligated by law to be respectful

[2:28:45] Voice 13: of anything that is found, and if there's a chance found,

[2:28:48] Voice 13: follow the chance found procedure.

[2:28:50] Voice 13: There's

[2:28:51] Voice 6: no encumbrances.

[2:28:52] Voice 6: I move that the Salt Spring Land Trust Committee

[2:28:56] Voice 6: approve the application.

[2:28:59] Voice 13: Issuance of Salt Spring Development for 2021.

[2:29:02] Voice 13: Sorry,

[2:29:03] Voice 6: I beg your pardon.

[2:29:04] Voice 6: Yeah, Salt Spring Land Trust Committee approve

[2:29:06] Voice 6: to approve issuance of SSTVP 2021.1.1.

[2:29:10] Voice 6: Thank

[2:29:11] Voice 13: you, Senator. Trustee Patrick, any further discussion?

[2:29:15] Voice 13: No? Then I'll call for the vote. All those in favour?

[2:29:19] Voice 13: There's two in favour. Any opposed? One opposed.

[2:29:23] Voice 13: So thank you very much. Sir, you've got your application.

[2:29:26] Voice 13: And then be careful out there.

[2:29:28] Voice 10: Very kind. You're on your honour.

[2:29:31] Voice 10: Thanks.

[2:29:32] Voice 10: Alright,

[2:29:35] Voice 13: thank you for that in-depth discussion.

[2:29:37] Voice 13: Salt Spring Development Permit 2021.16 and Salt Spring Development Permit 2021.8.

[2:29:51] Voice 13: And I apologize if I get your name incorrect.

[2:29:55] Voice 13: The Gertier, Ontario Place, Trait 188.

[2:30:05] Voice 13: Okay, thank you

[2:30:08] Voice 13: sir. So you've seen how it works and you'll get your opportunity to speak to it. Thank you.

[2:30:15] Voice 5: Thank you, Chair. As you say, this is a combination application, a DDP and a DP.

[2:30:26] Voice 5: The intent is to commit the renovation of a non-conforming house and structure that

[2:30:33] Voice 5: has been built too close to the natural boundary of the sea.

[2:30:40] Voice 5: This survey is a bit busy, but it gives a sense of the situation.

[2:30:45] Voice 5: The house and the deck filled with no identifiable permits in the 1960s.

[2:30:51] Voice 5: owner has not been able to demonstrate that it's lawful non-conforming so as you can see

[2:30:58] Voice 5: probably more closely in the staff report that it's it's built basically within sort of four

[2:31:04] Voice 5: meters and that's about it to see the proposal here for that house is to reduce the setbacks

[2:31:13] Voice 5: the existing setbacks slightly to bring it in in greater conformity and this is a diagram showing

[2:31:19] Voice 5: the proposed setbacks and will draw your attention to the 4.39 meters setback from the closest

[2:31:27] Voice 5: edge of the deck to the natural boundary and then the 1.6 meter setback to the interior

[2:31:34] Voice 5: side lot line. So the 4.93 should be, according to our by-law, at least 10 meters minimum.

[2:31:40] Voice 5: The interior side should be 3 meters. And this is sort of dealing, as I say, with the

[2:31:46] Voice 5: existing situation in an attempt to bring housing to greater conformity with its existing balance.

[2:31:54] Voice 5: The other portion of this application is a variance to reduce the setback for a septic

[2:32:04] Voice 5: field to the natural boundary from 30 meters down to 15 meters at its closest point.

[2:32:11] Voice 5: There are a number of issues raised in staff report. I think the one that bears

[2:32:19] Voice 5: So repeating here is that it's a very constrained site. There's limited options. It is an existing structure that's non-conforming.

[2:32:27] Voice 5: Options to bring it into full conformity would likely result in having to demolish the house and build a game, essentially.

[2:32:38] Voice 5: And as it's a waterfront site and it's constrained by the road, installing all the services required conforming to required setbacks would be challenging.

[2:32:49] Voice 5: and the owner has indicated that they would likely rather just sell a lot and

[2:32:54] Voice 5: move on then go through that process of trying to rebuild the house in the new

[2:32:59] Voice 5: spot. The applicant has provided a number of professional reports in support of

[2:33:06] Voice 5: the application. Those are a geotechnical assessment, a sort of foreshore

[2:33:12] Voice 5: assessment from a registered biologist as well as a report from septic

[2:33:19] Voice 5: engineer that details that this septic system will be a type 3 type 3 system so it has to design

[2:33:26] Voice 5: system for this for the site so as it represents bringing the structures into greater conformity

[2:33:34] Voice 5: than they are right now as well as in recognition of the supporting material that can be provided

[2:33:41] Voice 5: so after you recommend that both of these permits be issued at this time

[2:33:45] Voice 5: I will note that the applicant is still sort of finalizing plans to do some work on the foreshore

[2:33:52] Voice 5: and that would require a separate land permit process and they've indicated that they're

[2:33:59] Voice 5: going to undertake that soon and would likely require a DP amendment and perhaps a new variance

[2:34:04] Voice 5: permit as well for those structures. I'm happy to take any questions. Okay

[2:34:10] Voice 13: thank you for the

[2:34:11] Voice 13: report um sir do you have any uh you concur with the uh recommendations

[2:34:22] Voice 13: so any questions for the applicants representative or the planning staff on this one

[2:34:27] Voice 13: um

[2:34:29] Voice 11: go ahead

[2:34:31] Voice 11: is this isn't this essentially going to be a rebuild you're just planning to remodel

[2:34:36] Voice 11: this

[2:34:36] Voice 9: it's it's a remodeling but there will be a removal of some additions that are let's say

[2:34:45] Voice 9: i would like to rephrase it cobbled onto the exterior of the original house that make it

[2:34:51] Voice 9: further encroaching so all of these cobbled on additions will be removed so back down to

[2:34:58] Voice 9: the original structure and that will be new

[2:35:08] Voice 11: i mean how big is this one an acre

[2:35:11] Voice 11: 0.56 0

[2:35:15] Voice 13: .56 of an acre yeah it's a challenge and

[2:35:22] Voice 11: it's obviously wonderful no the house is right

[2:35:26] Voice 11: I mean looks like it's shown like it's four meters away, but it's on top perching on top of the cliff

[2:35:36] Voice 11: There's some pictures if you look at

[2:35:42] Voice 11: pictures they're starting on page 204

[2:35:46] Voice 11: See it's it's built

[2:35:50] Voice 13: right up to the cliff

[2:35:51] Voice 13: Yeah, yeah, right.

[2:35:52] Voice 11: I got it. Yeah, flip through the photos. It drops right off

[2:35:56] Voice 13: It's a challenge

[2:35:58] Voice 11: Okay

[2:35:58] Voice 11: One of those

[2:36:00] Voice 11: that should never have been built in the first place

[2:36:04] Voice 13: That's the challenge.

[2:36:05] Voice 13: That's the problem with half-acre run.

[2:36:08] Voice 11: I mean, there are some corrections that need to be made to the permit.

[2:36:14] Voice 11: There's a couple of corrections that need to be made to the permit.

[2:36:18] Voice 11: Mine are more, I was getting into the report, so I go through all my pages here.

[2:36:24] Voice 11: So the permit needs some attention.

[2:36:26] Voice 11: We can come back to that.

[2:36:27] Voice 11: but it's the second permit, or it's on the variants of the septic system that, sorry,

[2:36:37] Voice 11: maybe if I read my notes, I'm going to get faster. Yeah, so page 246 says the well, I

[2:36:48] Voice 11: mean, you see, you're only 12 meters away from the well. That's, I mean, I understand

[2:36:53] Voice 11: the system's being designed to accommodate for that. It's 12 meters from the well. And

[2:36:58] Voice 10: And

[2:36:58] Voice 11: there's a whole series of wells that were potentially identified on that property

[2:37:04] Voice 11: but have been lost over years, potentially.

[2:37:08] Voice 11: It talked about a drinking well reduction study on page 250,

[2:37:12] Voice 11: which was about, was that something that didn't need to be done?

[2:37:20] Voice 11: It's in the report from the, it was just about all the,

[2:37:29] Voice 11: because there's other wells in the area.

[2:37:34] Voice 11: The design and

[2:37:34] Voice 11: septic system covers that in the recommendations there.

[2:37:46] Voice 11: So it's the second paragraph. A drinking well reduction study will need to be performed to redefine the safe setback distance to any remaining active wells.

[2:37:58] Voice 11: I

[2:38:05] Voice 5: don't know for certain, and perhaps Michael might know more, but the dispersal area is not the sort of final.

[2:38:15] Voice 5: The dispersal area shown on the permit is not sort of the final dimensions of the field.

[2:38:21] Voice 5: and that it's just sort of an area that they wouldn't be able to install the field in,

[2:38:26] Voice 5: so I think there might be some further reduction in that actual area that's utilized as a result of this study,

[2:38:33] Voice 5: but I'm not sure when it would be contemplated being done.

[2:38:43] Voice 5: Michael, perhaps being corrected if I'm wrong, but the exact plans about that septic

[2:38:49] Voice 5: are still being sort of fine-tuned a little bit with the installer and the engineer?

[2:38:57] Voice 5: I

[2:38:58] Voice 9: know the installer and the engineer have been inside several times.

[2:39:09] Voice 5: I think what it comes down to is that really, from my understanding, that's really the only available

[2:39:13] Voice 5: discursive area on that property that makes sense where it is now.

[2:39:19] Voice 5: I don't even know whether the field is currently sort of off the front end of the house, but yeah.

[2:39:27] Voice 5: I think, like the

[2:39:29] Voice 9: proposed renovation to the house, there's a major improvement.

[2:39:42] Voice 11: And then on page 251, it notes that a very large cedar may need to be removed to accommodate the sewer system.

[2:39:49] Voice 11: So that made me sad.

[2:39:51] Voice 11: The cedars are done.

[2:39:53] Voice 11: There's places where the cedars are still surviving.

[2:39:56] Voice 9: Unfortunately, that one is not.

[2:39:58] Voice 11: It's not?

[2:39:59] Voice 11: They've

[2:39:59] Voice 9: really done very badly.

[2:40:01] Voice 9: Since I first saw the property, the cedars have been killed.

[2:40:10] Voice 11: What's that?

[2:40:12] Voice 11: Well, there's some corrections that need to be made to the first permit.

[2:40:19] Voice 13: So do you have a list of those?

[2:40:21] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:40:22] Voice 13: And that would be then an amendment, I'm presuming?

[2:40:25] Voice 13: I guess

[2:40:25] Voice 5: Jordy knows them.

[2:40:27] Voice 5: I do apologize

[2:40:27] Voice 5: for those typos.

[2:40:30] Voice 13: And so would they need to be, would that need to be a motion to implement those?

[2:40:36] Voice 13: Or are they corrections?

[2:40:38] Voice 11: Yeah, no, it's

[2:40:38] Voice 11: corrections that could read differently, like coming to a show.

[2:40:41] Voice 11: So yes, if you look at the first permit on page 220, under 3.1 tree management, the first 3.1.1, it should read that no trees shall be removed within the 15 meter setback.

[2:41:26] Voice 11: So it just should say no trees shall be removed. Section needs to be amended.

[2:41:37] Voice 11: Let me just talk about the amendments and then try to put that together into it.

[2:41:41] Voice 11: The second bullet, it needs to be 3.1.2, so there's a numbering.

[2:41:52] Voice 11: Sorry, Jordy, did you agree that that wording needed to be changed?

[2:41:56] Voice 5: We have 3.4.

[2:41:58] Voice 11: No, 3.1.2, the second bullet.

[2:42:05] Voice 11: I guess it's okay if it says it's a hazard tree.

[2:42:10] Voice 11: Maybe it's okay if the numbering is done.

[2:42:13] Voice 11: I think it's okay.

[2:42:14] Voice 13: So what's the wording specifically for 3.11, is that how I have that?

[2:42:19] Voice 13: Oh,

[2:42:19] Voice 11: my question though about 3.11, yeah, the second 3.11, which should be 3.12,

[2:42:26] Voice 11: it says every effort should be made to prune branches,

[2:42:29] Voice 11: but isn't pruning under the recommendation of a certified arborist, or not?

[2:42:45] Voice 11: I'm just trying to understand the permit.

[2:42:46] Voice 11: it

[2:42:49] Voice 5: yeah the the intent there was to incorporate knowledge from the biologists which was to

[2:43:01] Voice 5: instead of removal of the hazard tree but to sort of minimize the hazard it poses by for me

[2:43:07] Voice 5: so i don't know if that's that's not clear i guess that wording should be refined i'm just

[2:43:17] Voice 5: I'm just thinking, I'm not sure how it would go back in.

[2:43:23] Voice 11: I was just saying, does the arborist recommend the pruning?

[2:43:34] Voice 11: They classify it as a hazardous tree, I understand that, but then do they recommend the pruning?

[2:43:42] Voice 5: Right. I suppose it would be useful to cut it out of that tree then, I know.

[2:43:47] Voice 5: Yes,

[2:43:48] Voice 11: that was my question.

[2:43:50] Voice 11: So

[2:43:51] Voice 13: then there should be something added there after branches under the direction of an arborist?

[2:44:01] Voice 13: Yeah,

[2:44:05] Voice 5: if I may, right before is preferable to removal.

[2:44:11] Voice 5: So every effort should be made to prune branches or turn the tree into a wildlife tree under the direction of an arborist is preferable to removal.

[2:44:23] Voice 11: Okay. That sounds good.

[2:44:26] Voice 11: Did you

[2:44:27] Voice 13: get that, Sarah?

[2:44:28] Voice 11: Yes.

[2:44:29] Voice 13: Okay.

[2:44:30] Voice 13: So you're going to do like an omnibus motion?

[2:44:32] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:44:33] Voice 11: No, I was just trying to make sure we understood what...

[2:44:35] Voice 13: And

[2:44:35] Voice 11: then 3.1...

[2:44:36] Voice 11: 3.4.2...

[2:44:38] Voice 11: Oh,

[2:44:39] Voice 10: yeah, there's the numbering.

[2:44:40] Voice 11: And then 3.4.2, it's just missing materials, all construction materials.

[2:44:47] Voice 11: All right.

[2:44:49] Voice 13: So do you have that?

[2:44:50] Voice 13: It was added 3.4.2 construction materials.

[2:44:59] Voice 11: Just adding, it just says all construction shall be stored.

[2:45:02] Voice 11: All construction materials shall be stored.

[2:45:06] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:45:06] Voice 12: Can we just review?

[2:45:09] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:45:10] Voice 11: You know, attempt a motion.

[2:45:12] Voice 11: So, amended motion to brief them, or just make it a direct?

[2:45:27] Voice 11: No, it's just the development permit SSDP 2021.16 be amended by amending 3.1.1,

[2:45:41] Voice 11: So no trees.

[2:45:45] Voice 11: No trees.

[2:45:46] Voice 11: I think

[2:45:48] Voice 13: Sarah already got all that.

[2:45:49] Voice 13: Okay,

[2:45:50] Voice 11: you've got all that?

[2:45:51] Voice 13: I'll

[2:45:52] Voice 11: let her read it.

[2:45:53] Voice 13: That's a good idea. Are you

[2:45:55] Voice 15: ready to read it?

[2:45:55] Voice 15: I think I'm ready.

[2:45:57] Voice 15: Amazing!

[2:45:59] Voice 12: Spring

[2:46:02] Voice 15: Island Local Trust Committee

[2:46:03] Voice 15: Amend Permit SSDVP

[2:46:06] Voice 15: Sorry, the DP.

[2:46:08] Voice 15: Is it the DP?

[2:46:09] Voice 11: Okay,

[2:46:10] Voice 15: DP 2021.1

[2:46:13] Voice 15: as follows.

[2:46:15] Voice 15: 3.1.1 Replace no tree removal should be removed with no trees shall be removed.

[2:46:24] Voice 15: 3.1.2 Add under the direction of an arborist following in the event that a tree is identified as a hazard tree in the 50 metres that back to the natural bed.

[2:46:35] Voice 15: Every effort should be made to prune branches or trim the tree.

[2:46:39] Voice 15: 3.4.2 replace all construction which all construction should shall be stored outside the 50 meter setback to the natural boundary of the sea with all construction materials shall be stored outside the 50 meter setback.

[2:47:03] Voice 11: Sorry,

[2:47:03] Voice 5: thanks Sarah for that. I just wanted to clarify, it sounded like it was SSDP 2021.16, the DP is 2021.9.

[2:47:15] Voice 5: in that motion, it sounded like.

[2:47:20] Voice 5: It

[2:47:20] Voice 11: says 1-6 at the top of the page.

[2:47:23] Voice 11: In the packet, it says 1-6.

[2:47:27] Voice 12: The D.

[2:47:28] Voice 11: DP.

[2:47:30] Voice 5: Oh, yeah.

[2:47:31] Voice 5: Okay, it's not there.

[2:47:34] Voice 5: That should be in the motion that it is identical.

[2:47:41] Voice 13: So which one is correct?

[2:47:44] Voice 13: The permit itself says 1-6.

[2:47:51] Voice 13: Well, DDP, DP.

[2:47:54] Voice 4: The DP should be 0.9, not 0.1. The DBP is 0.16.

[2:48:03] Voice 4: You

[2:48:06] Voice 11: should never do anything until that second cup of coffee. That's my rule.

[2:48:15] Voice 11: I move that motion.

[2:48:17] Voice 11: You

[2:48:18] Voice 13: can move. Do we have a seconder?

[2:48:19] Voice 13: I do second it.

[2:48:20] Voice 13: Seconded.

[2:48:27] Voice 11: No, you just need to make reference to the right permit. He'll issue the right permit number.

[2:48:30] Voice 13: Yeah, he'll issue the right permit number.

[2:48:33] Voice 13: The motion should be correct.

[2:48:37] Voice 13: So, any further discussion?

[2:48:38] Voice 13: Any discussion?

[2:48:39] Voice 13: No.

[2:48:39] Voice 13: All those in favor?

[2:48:41] Voice 13: I'm going to close that carry.

[2:48:43] Voice 13: There you go.

[2:48:43] Voice 13: Thank you, sir.

[2:48:44] Voice 11: Oh, no.

[2:48:44] Voice 11: You've got another permit.

[2:48:45] Voice 13: Well,

[2:48:46] Voice 11: we haven't approved it.

[2:48:48] Voice 11: We amended it.

[2:48:49] Voice 11: Okay.

[2:48:54] Voice 13: Go ahead.

[2:48:55] Voice 13: Go to the next one.

[2:48:57] Voice 11: Well, I guess you can...

[2:49:00] Voice 11: The other permit is fine.

[2:49:02] Voice 11: I mean, it is a septic system very close to the sea.

[2:49:06] Voice 11: Well,

[2:49:07] Voice 13: it's a tiny lot.

[2:49:08] Voice 13: A tiny lot.

[2:49:09] Voice 11: Any comments?

[2:49:32] Voice 13: The recommendation on the screen?

[2:49:33] Voice 11: No.

[2:49:34] Voice 11: Well, I'll move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of SSDP 2021.9.

[2:49:43] Voice 11: Oh, DDP. I was doing the DP. Sorry.

[2:49:45] Voice 1: There it is. I'm doing the

[2:49:46] Voice 11: second one first.

[2:49:47] Voice 11: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of SSDP 2021.9 as amended.

[2:49:56] Voice 13: Second that.

[2:49:57] Voice 13: Moved and seconded as amended. All those in favor?

[2:50:01] Voice 13: None opposed. That carries.

[2:50:03] Voice 13: And the final motion?

[2:50:04] Voice 13: that

[2:50:05] Voice 11: one is this is the one to accommodate you're

[2:50:15] Voice 12: on a roll

[2:50:18] Voice 11: i'll move that the salt screen island local trust committee approve issuance of ssdbp

[2:50:23] Voice 11: 2021.16 second that

[2:50:27] Voice 13: seconded any discussion

[2:50:30] Voice 11: in

[2:50:31] Voice 13: the favor okay okay yep all in favor okay all right then so now we're here thank you very much

[2:50:42] Voice 13: so if you're going to work with that project so let us now go to uh salt spring alr 2021.3

[2:50:56] Voice 13: and tunic at 427 over dandy's road is the applicant here welcome sir if you've seen the

[2:51:05] Voice 13: versus the reports you can speak to it and then we will decide what happens next so over to plan

[2:51:12] Voice 13: Councillor Gordon again.

[2:51:13] Voice 13: Thank you, Chair.

[2:51:17] Voice 5: This is a non-farm use application

[2:51:19] Voice 5: for 427 Coal Creek Energy Road.

[2:51:21] Voice 5: And the property that's within the ALR,

[2:51:24] Voice 5: it is zoned general climate two

[2:51:27] Voice 5: under the self-management land use by-law.

[2:51:29] Voice 5: So the recent owner, new owner of the lot

[2:51:32] Voice 5: is applying to be a co-provider

[2:51:34] Voice 5: for non-farm use application to allow

[2:51:38] Voice 5: a range of uses that are permitted by zoning

[2:51:40] Voice 5: to be carried out on this ALR property.

[2:51:44] Voice 5: For clarity, these are the list of general climate 2 uses that are permitted on the land use by-law in Fulton Springs.

[2:51:53] Voice 5: But as it is within the ALR, the option is required to obtain a non-firm use authorization to carry out those uses.

[2:52:03] Voice 5: So it's fairly straightforward, I think, from out-of-stress land use planning perspective that it's been identified as general climate zone, and those uses are permitted as of right to be carried out.

[2:52:19] Voice 5: Staff recommendation is, however, to refer this application to the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission for comment, and that's consistent with LTC policy on non-time use applications.

[2:52:32] Voice 5: presentations, presented some potential areas of comment just around the existing and potential

[2:52:43] Voice 5: agricultural use, which is likely minimal from delivering a lot, and then also in consideration

[2:52:51] Voice 5: of the zoning and intent of use and whether or not the LTC should support it. There are

[2:52:56] Voice 5: some other alternate recommendations in the staff report, but this is consistent with

[2:53:05] Voice 6: I'm delighted to have forwarded this to the AAPC.

[2:53:08] Voice 6: Can we

[2:53:09] Voice 12: hear from the applicant?

[2:53:14] Voice 6: Hi there,

[2:53:17] Voice 3: I'm Scott Antonek, the new owner of this property.

[2:53:21] Voice 3: I guess I am liking to potentially expedite and get directly to ALC for approval

[2:53:32] Voice 3: as opposed to what appears to be another AAP.

[2:53:38] Voice 3: It appears that this property has been a little over a century.

[2:53:50] Voice 3: Trust zoning shows that it is a tax based on AAP, the commercial property,

[2:53:57] Voice 3: so it seems like it's a pretty already acknowledged for the majority of those uses.

[2:54:04] Voice 3: I would just attempt to expedite what's likely to be the final process

[2:54:12] Voice 3: process to possibly be on this

[2:54:18] Voice 3: step soon. Okay, thank you.

[2:54:23] Voice 13: What would you like to leave? Laura Conklin.

[2:54:27] Voice 11: I hear you, Scott,

[2:54:28] Voice 11: for wanting to expedite, but I do know, after talking to some ALC

[2:54:33] Voice 11: commissioners, that they do take the recommendation that we attach

[2:54:36] Voice 11: to it very seriously. And so if we have the AAPC

[2:54:42] Voice 11: joins, you know, if they make a strong

[2:54:44] Voice 11: recommendation and we make a strong recommendation, it helps the process when

[2:54:50] Voice 11: it hits the ALC is my understanding. So that would, you know, since we have an

[2:54:55] Voice 11: AAPC and they know that because they attend the meetings, so I think it would be of

[2:55:02] Voice 11: value to you to have a stronger recommendation from us when it goes to

[2:55:06] Voice 11: the without the

[2:55:09] Voice 6: aapc recommendation they may ignore it completely is that right yeah yeah

[2:55:16] Voice 6: so may i move the salzburg and local trust committee referral application ssa allow 2021.3

[2:55:21] Voice 6: to the agricultural advisory planning commission to comment on the application generally as well as

[2:55:26] Voice 6: specifically on the following aspects colon a existing and future agricultural use and or

[2:55:31] Voice 6: potential of the subject property c the zoning of the property and intended use c whether the ltc

[2:55:37] Voice 6: should support the non-farm use application.

[2:55:41] Voice 6: Move.

[2:55:42] Voice 13: Trustee Patrick, thank you.

[2:55:44] Voice 13: Any discussion?

[2:55:46] Voice 13: All those in favor?

[2:55:47] Voice 13: So that carries.

[2:55:49] Voice 13: And I think this is a good investment at the time.

[2:55:53] Voice 13: Absolutely.

[2:55:54] Voice 13: Okay.

[2:55:55] Voice 13: So that concludes.

[2:55:57] Voice 13: He's having all day for that.

[2:56:01] Voice 13: Thanks, Scott.

[2:56:04] Voice 13: We want a five-minute recess.

[2:57:20] It

[2:57:22] Voice 13: has the ability to track movement, not doing it right now, but that's what it's designed

[2:57:32] Voice 13: to do. And for some reason it locked up there.

[2:57:38] Voice 13: Helpful? Yeah.

[2:57:43] Voice 7: Yeah, I know.

[2:57:46] Voice 10: I haven't had a conversation with her, but I know what's going on.

[2:57:51] Yeah, she's fed up.

[2:58:17] Do

[2:58:19] Voice 6: you think these masks reduce the amount of

[2:58:21] Voice 6: oxygen to the brain?

[2:58:23] Voice 6: Definitely not.

[2:58:24] No.

[2:58:25] Voice 13: No.

[2:58:25] Voice 13: The particle size of the

[2:58:27] Voice 13: element is significantly smaller.

[2:58:31] Voice 13: I was going to use that as an excuse.

[2:58:34] Voice 13: No, no, no.

[2:58:37] Voice 13: What it does do, and it's not necessarily

[2:58:40] Voice 13: whether or not it's true or not.

[2:58:44] It

[2:58:44] Voice 13: may increase?

[2:58:51] Voice 12: Yes.

[2:59:07] I wore masks for hours and hours and hours at a time, and I would feel later on as I

[2:59:14] I want to make it.

[2:59:16] But then you've got quite a different style.

[2:59:18] Just kidding.

[2:59:20] The colors.

[2:59:21] The colors.

[2:59:23] What

[2:59:23] Voice 13: do you mean?

[2:59:26] Voice 13: You've got a different style.

[2:59:27] Voice 13: Oh, just because it was itching my nose.

[2:59:30] Voice 13: That drives me nuts.

[2:59:33] Voice 13: And, honestly,

[2:59:34] Voice 13: I'm double-touching it,

[2:59:36] Voice 13: and I'm not worried about it.

[2:59:38] No, but one's got to be worried

[2:59:40] about transferring it to other people.

[2:59:42] Are you going to do that?

[2:59:44] Yes, yes, yes.

[2:59:47] If you're

[2:59:48] Voice 13: exposed to that, yes.

[2:59:49] Voice 13: I have no way of getting away from that.

[2:59:53] Voice 13: Yeah.

[2:59:57] Voice 10: I

[2:59:58] Voice 6: was just checking you off.

[3:00:00] Voice 6: The white, it's something coming out of you.

[3:00:01] Voice 6: It's just the elastic.

[3:00:04] Voice 10: Did

[3:00:05] Voice 6: you make your own?

[3:00:06] Voice 15: No.

[3:00:07] Voice 15: It

[3:00:07] Voice 6: looks very fancy.

[3:00:10] Voice 15: It's from the help of a local woman.

[3:00:14] Voice 15: It's my

[3:00:15] Voice 15: most comfy.

[3:00:17] Voice 15: I thought I'd wear the comfiest one today.

[3:00:19] Voice 6: Hey, that's good luck.

[3:00:20] Voice 6: All right.

[3:00:26] Voice 7: Yeah, I get it.

[3:00:31] Voice 13: Okay, well, let us reconvene.

[3:00:34] Voice 13: we are at section 17

[3:00:36] Voice 13: on the business

[3:00:37] Voice 13: and today we have 17.1

[3:00:41] Voice 13: bylaw amendment options for dwellings

[3:00:44] Voice 13: on large farms

[3:00:45] Voice 13: it's a staff report

[3:00:46] Voice 13: and it looks like it's

[3:00:48] Voice 13: nice to see you

[3:00:53] Voice 13: so thank you for being here

[3:00:54] Voice 13: nice to see you in person

[3:00:56] Voice 13: and I'll turn it over to you to

[3:00:58] Voice 13: brief the trustees on this report

[3:01:01] Voice 14: so certainly I'm doing this presentation

[3:01:03] Voice 14: on behalf of my co-author of this report

[3:01:05] Voice 14: in the back there. So this report addresses options for results to be on with the trust

[3:01:12] Voice 14: committee to amend section 317, results to be on with file number 355, and that's to

[3:01:17] Voice 14: utilize subdivision potential for firm of your housing. So at your meeting of August

[3:01:22] Voice 14: 31st, the LTC passed a following resolution which was to refer it back, and that is what

[3:01:28] Voice 14: we have done today. So this report explores various issues and opportunities, and those

[3:01:36] Voice 14: Those include land use by-law section 3.17,

[3:01:38] Voice 14: so that's going on those on large farms,

[3:01:41] Voice 14: BC assessment and farm-wide classification,

[3:01:43] Voice 14: silt-spring on a lot of farm,

[3:01:44] Voice 14: I'm sorry, silt-spring on the area of farm,

[3:01:49] Voice 14: subdivision requirements,

[3:01:51] Voice 14: subdivision servicing requirements for potable water,

[3:01:54] Voice 14: floor area restrictions,

[3:01:55] Voice 14: restrictions of use and major subdivision equipment,

[3:01:59] Voice 14: cluster development, and seasonal cottages.

[3:02:02] Voice 14: So in front of you up there

[3:02:03] Voice 14: is an extract from the staff report

[3:02:05] Voice 14: showing the current land use by-law section 3.17 regulation as well as a possible draft amendment that was drafted by staff.

[3:02:17] Voice 14: Staff have presented a general overview of the options to amend this section of the land use by-law,

[3:02:22] Voice 14: to legalize subdivision potential for potential land use by-laws.

[3:02:27] Voice 14: A possible draft amendment to the land use by-law would not increase density but instead use existing density

[3:02:32] Voice 14: by tying the number of permitted dwellings to the number of lots that could otherwise be created through subdivisions for farm workers.

[3:02:38] Voice 14: This could provide farmers with land classification on the large lots outside the Agricultural Land Reserve

[3:02:43] Voice 14: the opportunity to utilize available subdivision potential to provide dwellings for farm workers.

[3:02:49] Voice 14: Staff are a member of the Salton Island Local Trust Committee,

[3:02:52] Voice 14: engaged with stakeholders starting with the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission

[3:02:56] Voice 14: and the Salton Island Agricultural Alliance prior to drafting the by-law.

[3:03:00] Voice 14: And that recommendation is fair for your consideration.

[3:03:03] Voice 13: Good.

[3:03:04] Voice 13: Very good.

[3:03:05] Voice 13: Thank you.

[3:03:07] Voice 13: That's the report.

[3:03:11] Voice 13: Trustees, do you have any questions for staff?

[3:03:14] Voice 13: Do you want to go with the direction you recommended?

[3:03:18] Voice 13: I

[3:03:19] Voice 11: have more of a question of applying this type of thing to maybe other,

[3:03:27] Voice 11: not the super large lots,

[3:03:28] Voice 11: but to other lots

[3:03:32] Voice 1: within some other

[3:03:33] Voice 11: size range that to give up subdivision

[3:03:38] Voice 11: potential in exchange. Is that something that would this kind of model be

[3:03:42] Voice 11: applicable to that as well?

[3:03:45] Voice 14: Yeah and certainly you know the intent of this

[3:03:48] Voice 14: particular provision, or amending this provision, is to address a very sort of

[3:03:55] Voice 14: focus problem, or issue, which is, you know, providing more economic reward. And certainly,

[3:04:00] Voice 14: you know, the scope of this versus the scope of that, you know, warrants, you know, larger

[3:04:06] Voice 14: conversation, a conversation essentially that leads up to...

[3:04:15] Voice 11: Yeah, and I hope this is shared with the Housing Task Force with that broader, you know, question

[3:04:22] Voice 11: of how this could work. You know, I understand how this could work, and we heard at the AAPC,

[3:04:27] Voice 11: one of the family farm families describing how this could have been used to salvage a father's

[3:04:33] Voice 11: farm provide an additional worker to an aging parent on a farm so it does absolutely make sense

[3:04:41] Voice 11: you're

[3:04:46] Voice 6: going to go for them me

[3:04:47] Voice 11: again okay i'm salt spring i'm a local trust committee refer

[3:04:50] Voice 11: the staff report dated october 5th 2021 regarding options to amend section 3.17 of the salt spring

[3:04:59] Voice 11: island land use bylaw number 355 the agricultural advisory planning commission um can we say their

[3:05:07] Voice 11: housing task force too which probably should uh housing action planning task force and the salt

[3:05:14] Voice 11: spring island agricultural alliance for consideration at the salt spring island local

[3:05:20] Voice 11: trust committee special business oh that's the special meeting in november 18th so take the

[3:05:25] Voice 11: the housing advisory out of that one.

[3:05:29] Voice 11: So that's to finish this motion,

[3:05:33] Voice 11: it's saying to bring it to the,

[3:05:37] Voice 11: okay, so don't include the task force.

[3:05:40] Voice 11: Yeah, so it's the Advisory Planning Commission

[3:05:42] Voice 11: and the Salt Spring Island Agricultural Alliance

[3:05:44] Voice 11: for consideration to the Salt Spring Island

[3:05:47] Voice 11: Local Trust Committee Special Business Meeting

[3:05:50] Voice 11: of November 18th, 2021.

[3:05:52] Voice 6: In other words, just as it's written.

[3:05:54] Voice 6: Yes.

[3:05:54] Voice 6: The motion as presented.

[3:05:56] Voice 6: And as presented, I'll second that then.

[3:05:58] Voice 11: So moved and seconded.

[3:06:00] Voice 11: Any further discussion?

[3:06:01] Voice 11: Yeah, I think if we could just either staff share this.

[3:06:03] Voice 11: I think it's important that this concept be shared with the task force.

[3:06:10] Voice 13: So dealing with this motion at the moment, that would be a separate item.

[3:06:17] Voice 13: So on this motion before us, any further discussion?

[3:06:21] Voice 13: All those in favor?

[3:06:22] Voice 13: So that carries.

[3:06:23] Voice 13: Do you want to provide some additional direction?

[3:06:25] Voice 13: Do

[3:06:25] Voice 11: you need a resolution to share this with the housing task force?

[3:06:28] Voice 13: To

[3:06:29] Voice 7: keep it clean, it would be great that the LTC refers this for information.

[3:06:34] Voice 11: Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee refer staff report dated October 5, 2021 regarding options to amend Section 3.17 of the Salt Spring Island Land Use Bylaw No. 355 to the Housing Action Task Force.

[3:06:52] Voice 13: We got that. So that's moved.

[3:06:57] Voice 13: Seconded.

[3:06:58] Voice 13: Any further discussion?

[3:06:59] Voice 13: All those in favor?

[3:07:01] Voice 13: I carry. Thank you.

[3:07:02] Voice 13: Thank you. I think that concludes that project. So thank you, Christine and

[3:07:11] Voice 13: your team and experts on that subject.

[3:07:16] Voice 13: All right, so let us continue on. New business, dormant applications. We have a staff report.

[3:07:26] Voice 13: I want to remind you that we have a letter from Eric Booth with respect to his particular application.

[3:07:33] Voice 13: Is this, Stefan, are you going to pick this one up?

[3:07:37] Voice 13: Nope.

[3:07:37] Voice 13: It's going to be Connor Mays again.

[3:07:41] Voice 13: Go ahead.

[3:07:42] Voice 13: Connor Mays.

[3:07:43] Voice 13: Thank you, Chair Watson.

[3:07:44] Voice 14: So this staff report is providing an in-salt plan with the trust committee with details

[3:07:49] Voice 14: regarding two dormant applications.

[3:07:52] Voice 14: These two dormant applications that are discussed in this report are not addressed in a timely

[3:07:56] Voice 14: manner.

[3:07:58] Voice 14: So the first application under consideration is SUV Service Subdivision 2018.7, and that's

[3:08:05] Voice 14: 902 Hoover Point Road. Just a list of sort of a summary of application milestones is up there on

[3:08:12] Voice 14: the display for you. So this application proposes a two-watt subdivision. The application was opened

[3:08:18] Voice 14: by the Islands Trust on September 20, 2018, and has been open for three years. To date, two of the

[3:08:25] Voice 14: 12 conditions of subdivision and none of the two precedent conditions have been satisfied.

[3:08:30] Voice 14: The Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure and Moding has advised that the preliminary layout

[3:08:35] Voice 14: review expired in October 2020. The second application under consideration is SS Rezoning

[3:08:42] Voice 14: 2013.7 and that's 193 for trial. So this application proposes an amendment to Salt Spring Island

[3:08:48] Voice 14: Land Use Parlor No. 355 and Salt Spring Island Official Community Plan No. 434. That's to

[3:08:54] Voice 14: increase the residential density on the subject property from 33 to 49. The application was

[3:08:59] Voice 14: opened by the Islands Trust on August 9, 2013 and has been open for just over 8 years. So

[3:09:06] Voice 14: So this report explores various issues and opportunities,

[3:09:10] Voice 14: which includes subdivision applications

[3:09:12] Voice 14: and bylaw amendments for these applications.

[3:09:15] Voice 14: The staff are recommending closing these applications

[3:09:17] Voice 14: in support of effective and efficient

[3:09:21] Voice 14: staff and time management,

[3:09:23] Voice 14: which ensure development proposals are evaluated

[3:09:25] Voice 14: based on current bylaws.

[3:09:27] Voice 14: Staff are recommending closing the subdivision file

[3:09:30] Voice 14: as no preliminary layout or review extension

[3:09:32] Voice 14: has been completed.

[3:09:35] Voice 14: Only two of the 12 conditions have been satisfied.

[3:09:37] Voice 14: In the three years the application has been opened

[3:09:39] Voice 14: with the Islands Trust.

[3:09:41] Voice 14: Additionally, staff are recommending

[3:09:42] Voice 14: including a resuming application

[3:09:44] Voice 14: as it's not proceeded at a timely rate

[3:09:46] Voice 14: and in consideration of the considerable staff time

[3:09:48] Voice 14: that has been allocated.

[3:09:50] Voice 14: The local trust committee has granted the application

[3:09:52] Voice 14: at applicant multiple extensions

[3:09:54] Voice 14: and the application itself has been in advance

[3:09:56] Voice 14: since May of 2020.

[3:09:59] Voice 14: Subsequent to the publishing of the staff report,

[3:10:01] Voice 14: the applicant has provided a letter

[3:10:02] Voice 14: in support of keeping that application open.

[3:10:04] Voice 6: Sorry, can you repeat that to us?

[3:10:06] Voice 14: Sorry.

[3:10:07] Voice 14: Subsequent to the publishing of the staff report,

[3:10:11] Voice 14: So staff do you want to make that closing this application not impede the construction of the desks that are currently permitted on the lot?

[3:10:21] Voice 14: But if those desks are wanted in the future, that recommendation is up there for consideration?

[3:10:33] Voice 14: All

[3:10:34] Voice 13: right, thank you. Any

[3:10:36] Voice 13: questions or do you want to provide some direction?

[3:10:39] Voice 6: I have a question of the applicant. That was very good.

[3:10:51] Voice 13: Eric,

[3:10:53] Voice 6: why haven't you responded to the last two letters advising you in August 21 and

[3:11:00] Voice 6: September 21?

[3:11:01] Voice 6: You haven't their response received.

[3:11:03] Voice 7: I've been looking for North-South Stream markets.

[3:11:07] Voice 6: The chair

[3:11:23] Voice 7: of North-South, after the last meeting, yes, we're in the peer review process.

[3:11:33] Voice 7: The North-South Stream staff, the peer reviewer, hydrology before we did it, we were in the

[3:11:48] Voice 7: middle of it.

[3:11:49] Voice 7: and say the good news is it hasn't ended the public there's going to be additional

[3:12:06] Voice 7: current reviews threshold the question is whether or not peer reviewer will agree with that

[3:12:17] Voice 7: thank

[3:12:35] Voice 6: you my question is why did you not respond to the august answer

[3:12:40] Voice 6: yes because i was waiting for this yeah but it would have been helpful if you took

[3:12:45] Voice 13: thank

[3:12:45] Voice 6: you now i have no further questions well patrick how

[3:12:53] Voice 11: come you're not building the 33 units

[3:12:55] Voice 11: Well,

[3:12:57] Voice 13: we've got an application for

[3:12:59] Voice 7: affordable housing for either a plan for 33 minutes.

[3:13:20] Voice 1: And

[3:13:20] Voice 7: that process is not just a rezoning after rezoning.

[3:13:24] Voice 7: It's a rather than starting a development permit process right now,

[3:13:31] Voice 10: in

[3:13:32] Voice 7: conjunction with the use of parallel buildings, designated.

[3:13:39] Voice 11: I'm looking at, I mean, to me, the school area that you're located, it's a beautiful property.

[3:13:45] Voice 11: Beautiful neighborhood.

[3:13:46] Voice 11: Beautiful proximity to schools.

[3:13:48] Voice 11: I mean, everything you have there, and I go, family housing, the housing that you could be creating in that area is amazing.

[3:13:56] Voice 11: And I think it would service that area so well.

[3:14:02] Voice 11: So I would...

[3:14:05] Voice 7: Well, in part, in the conversations that you and I have had, what my hope is, is since 2000, one way or another, all of those factors playing into it, which way...

[3:14:40] Voice 11: No question a community water supply would be preferable to the well. You've got that license and they are proceeding at the Ioway, Croftonbrook properties are proceeding on well at this point.

[3:14:55] Voice 11: Okay, I just had to ask the question.

[3:14:58] Voice 13: Okay, so what direction would you like to provide this time if you want to provide 2015.7 some more time?

[3:15:09] Voice 6: I'm prepared to grant him that, but it would be nice to get on with it. I know your hands are tied to some degree.

[3:15:17] Voice 6: And so the other

[3:15:20] Voice 13: application 2018.7, which was revised...

[3:15:23] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm happy to close that. So

[3:15:26] Voice 6: I move that the Sourcing Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to close application SS SUE 2018.7.

[3:15:34] Voice 13: Moved. Seconded. Any further discussion? No.

[3:15:36] Voice 13: Thank you for bringing that to us, every little bit of help, and I appreciate it.

[3:15:44] Voice 13: I'm going to go to 17.22, new fees by-law.

[3:15:50] Voice 13: Thanks Eric.

[3:15:53] Voice 13: Who's going to take this one?

[3:15:55] Voice 13: I can talk

[3:15:59] Voice 7: to it, Mr. Chair, but I'm not going to say much.

[3:16:02] Voice 7: This is from Director

[3:16:03] Voice 7: Mauro.

[3:16:05] Voice 7: This is going out to all the other trustees, not even other LTCs that you're on.

[3:16:14] Voice 7: And what I'm sure of it is that the application processing, the policy has been amended, and you're recommended to update your fees pilot, but I should probably read this in more detail to give you a

[3:16:28] Voice 7: more thorough report.

[3:16:30] Voice 7: You will see in there that it is a substantial change on an auto company.

[3:16:41] Voice 12: I think we've probably all seen this, but what would you like to do in such case?

[3:16:46] Voice 12: Well,

[3:16:47] Voice 11: I mean, it's not a

[3:16:49] Voice 11: substantial difference on the fees.

[3:16:52] Voice 11: I was surprised because I went and checked.

[3:16:55] Voice 11: It is, there's a lot of wording changes and clarity that's removed in the bylaw.

[3:17:01] Voice 11: It's substantially different with the fees.

[3:17:04] Voice 11: And I think at what point, I mean, we are going to

[3:17:07] Voice 11: need to carefully look at that because we are allowed to go within 20% above or below, I believe, on some of the fees.

[3:17:21] Voice 11: So we'll have to be prepared to get into that level of detail at some point.

[3:17:27] Voice 11: So certainly proceeding with a new bylaw that's up to date on the words and then we're going to wrangle the fees.

[3:17:36] Voice 6: So when you say wrangle, who's going to have to wrangle?

[3:17:38] Voice 11: That's us.

[3:17:41] Voice 11: So

[3:17:41] Voice 6: basically, I'd like our local trust committee to start the report.

[3:17:44] Voice 11: Yeah, no, that's right.

[3:17:45] Voice 11: We'll run it in the next step, and then we'll have work to do.

[3:17:48] Voice 11: That's all.

[3:17:50] Voice 11: So I'll move that the Salisbury-Anne local trust committee

[3:17:52] Voice 11: trust staff to draft a new fee by-law based on the model fee by-law

[3:17:56] Voice 11: attached to the trust concept policy, 5.6.1, application processing service.

[3:18:02] Voice 13: I'll second that.

[3:18:03] Voice 13: I'll second it.

[3:18:04] Voice 13: Any further discussion?

[3:18:05] Voice 13: Thank you.

[3:18:06] Voice 13: All those in favor?

[3:18:07] Voice 13: That carries. Thank you very much for improving the finances.

[3:18:11] Voice 13: Well,

[3:18:12] Voice 11: it doesn't here. I

[3:18:14] Voice 13: calculated it.

[3:18:15] Voice 13: I

[3:18:15] Voice 11: calculated it. It wasn't substantial.

[3:18:19] Voice 11: I know. I've got workers.

[3:18:21] Voice 13: Okay, so

[3:18:22] Voice 13: communications strategy, also staff report here.

[3:18:31] Voice 6: Page 3, Tim. Thank you.

[3:18:35] Voice 6: All

[3:18:38] Voice 13: right, Stephane Cermak, communications strategy.

[3:18:44] Voice 13: Thank you, Mr. Chair. So in August,

[3:18:48] Voice 7: the last meeting, the LTC requested staff to report back on the communication strategy to better align, integrate, and guide the public engagement for the LTC planning project with Trust Council's public engagement plan for updating the Trust Council policy state.

[3:19:06] Voice 7: And it was a surprisingly complicated resolution when I dug into it.

[3:19:11] Voice 7: and the conclusion I sort of reached and I'd be happy to go through the report if

[3:19:16] Voice 7: you'd like in detail, the conclusion I reached is that the LTC has a lot of engagement

[3:19:21] Voice 7: going on in terms of communications and just you're engaging a lot with task

[3:19:27] Voice 7: forces, engaging a lot with engagement specialists, you have numerous meetings,

[3:19:32] Voice 7: numerous activities and that the intersection of that with the policy

[3:19:36] Voice 7: statement is difficult to reconcile because they're different

[3:19:40] Voice 7: different corporate bodies, different staff, different contractors doing it the whole nine yards.

[3:19:45] Voice 7: So the question was, you know, what really was the LTC looking for, trying to achieve,

[3:19:50] Voice 7: and I had a hard time coming to that answer.

[3:19:52] Voice 7: So my ultimate conclusion, as, you know, witnessed in the resolution,

[3:19:57] Voice 7: was that I'm hearing that the LTC is trying or is wishing to have more input into the process

[3:20:05] Voice 7: with, you know, what's coming to the, via the policy statement.

[3:20:09] Voice 7: And so that's my ultimate resolution is to do so is to give provide input to the trust area services staff

[3:20:16] Voice 7: And an engagement consultant once hired into the policy statement engagement activities plan for Salt Spring Island

[3:20:22] Voice 7: You don't have more input into how that process is happening and secondary

[3:20:26] Voice 7: I have an alternate resolution that you do have a communications budget of $1,500

[3:20:31] Voice 7: And if you'd like to give staffers a clear focus on how to spend that

[3:20:35] Voice 7: So we'll be happy to report that. Otherwise, there's a lot of other sort of unique

[3:20:44] Voice 6: I'm happy with your recommendation as it stands.

[3:20:50] Voice 13: Okay, Trustee Packer.

[3:20:55] Voice 11: The keynote speaker at the UBCM this year was Rick Mercer.

[3:20:59] Voice 11: You can say, yes, he was very entertaining.

[3:21:03] Voice 11: But he was done in interview style.

[3:21:06] Voice 11: She asked what was one of his observations of Canadians across the country in his travels.

[3:21:11] Voice 11: And this was the week before the election, the federal election, and he said that Canadians

[3:21:16] Voice 11: don't understand the differences between the different levels of government, the federal,

[3:21:20] Voice 11: provincial, the division of powers and so forth.

[3:21:24] Voice 11: And I thought, when I get down to Salt Spring, we add Islands Trust, it's a whole other level.

[3:21:29] Voice 11: People don't understand us.

[3:21:31] Voice 11: They don't know that the policy statement is federation.

[3:21:35] Voice 11: They don't know that the housing task force work that we're doing is local.

[3:21:38] Voice 11: so we've got

[3:21:41] Voice 11: a constituent that doesn't

[3:21:43] Voice 11: understand who we are to begin with

[3:21:45] Voice 11: and they're complicated by all

[3:21:47] Voice 11: these conversations and then you've got

[3:21:49] Voice 11: throw in the

[3:21:51] Voice 11: community hubbub and facebook

[3:21:53] Voice 11: and everything

[3:21:55] Voice 11: else and so that's

[3:21:57] Voice 11: my concern is that

[3:22:00] Voice 11: we are doing a lot

[3:22:02] Voice 11: this is a good

[3:22:03] Voice 11: news story but

[3:22:06] Voice 11: with it coming out in dribs

[3:22:10] Voice 11: and drabs and not being brought together, people are just confused and I think we

[3:22:17] Voice 11: have to lead them through that. So we have to do it and we have to do

[3:22:22] Voice 11: it simply and bring the story together. So that's what I was

[3:22:28] Voice 11: referring to when we talked about the strategy is how to have this

[3:22:32] Voice 11: engagement be successful. We need to lay it out and present it successfully and

[3:22:37] Voice 11: And there may be logic, I don't, you know, when we look at the whole thing together, you know, how to guide the community along this path so that we get quality engagement, not, you know, not just angry noise back at us.

[3:22:58] Voice 11: I just feel the anger level is so high in this community right now, and we need to paint that picture.

[3:23:07] Voice 11: And I don't know, it's probably going to be more than $1,500, but I think we need to lay it out.

[3:23:14] Voice 11: We need to lay it out in a digestible, plain language process, whether it's an insert to the driftwood.

[3:23:23] Voice 11: or I think we look we price that was cheaper to get like your flyer than do

[3:23:27] Voice 11: the center center section but I think we need to do something of that level that

[3:23:33] Voice 11: just brings it all together and shows what we're what we're doing in a good

[3:23:39] Voice 11: news story so I think it can be done in a maybe one piece but lay it out here's

[3:23:46] Voice 11: what's coming here's what we need from you we need your engagement this is your

[3:23:49] Voice 11: Your chance, but like I said, the community is a full stop to, what's this policy statement?

[3:23:57] Voice 11: That's all they've heard for the last four months is policy statement, policy statement, policy statement, and they're confused.

[3:24:04] Voice 11: And so I want, we need this public engagement to be good, and so we need to set the stage.

[3:24:11] Voice 11: And I think that's what I'm hoping with this strategy is that, you know, how we can just

[3:24:17] Voice 11: lay this out in a way that, you know, has us end up in a much better place.

[3:24:26] Voice 11: I think people are hungry for it.

[3:24:29] Voice 11: I've seen Jenny shake her head yes.

[3:24:31] Voice 11: There's a lot out there, there's a lot of confusion right now.

[3:24:38] Voice 6: I would endorse what you're saying, but I would like to just correct or just wonder

[3:24:42] Voice 6: a bit about that.

[3:24:43] Voice 6: the anger level in this community we've seen much more anger in this community than we're seeing now

[3:24:49] Voice 6: so i just think we need to downplay that and not keep reinforcing that there's always anger i mean

[3:24:55] Voice 6: i think there's there's involvement the community people are anxious there's a lot of to be anxious

[3:25:00] Voice 6: about right now which has nothing to do with us including covid including i mean i worry at three

[3:25:06] Voice 6: o'clock in the morning about the climate change and what what the future of the world looks like

[3:25:11] Voice 6: I mean there's a lot of anxiety there's no question about that but we've seen

[3:25:15] Voice 6: more anger on this community than we're seeing right now so that's I'd like to

[3:25:20] Voice 6: downplay that having said other than that and go host everything else you

[3:25:23] Voice 6: said so

[3:25:25] Voice 13: there's a recommendation in front of us and the Lord's right we need

[3:25:31] Voice 13: to get a better methodology message right yeah

[3:25:38] Voice 11: we'll bring all these there's

[3:25:39] Voice 11: You just need

[3:25:40] Voice 11: a whiteboard.

[3:25:41] Voice 11: You've got to draw it all

[3:25:42] Voice 11: out, and there's some logic to the order.

[3:25:46] Voice 13: Get one of those fancy graphics.

[3:25:49] Voice 11: And then

[3:25:49] Voice 11: we need to present it in English.

[3:25:52] Voice 11: In English.

[3:25:53] Voice 11: To draw the picture.

[3:25:57] Voice 11: You're coming

[3:25:58] Voice 1: on a journey with us,

[3:25:59] Voice 11: and this is how it relates, and we need your input.

[3:26:02] Voice 6: So, Laura, can we live with this recommendation?

[3:26:04] Voice 6: I can.

[3:26:05] Voice 6: How about you?

[3:26:05] Voice 6: Well,

[3:26:06] Voice 11: is it just, I mean, is the policy engagement consultant going to be able to do all of that, help us out with our...

[3:26:14] Voice 11: Well,

[3:26:15] Voice 13: you know, that's just, the RFD isn't even done yet.

[3:26:18] Voice 13: Yeah, that remains to be seen.

[3:26:21] Voice 13: Those parts need to come together, but I think the offer, I think this is an offer, right, to provide input.

[3:26:30] Voice 13: And you've got $1,500 that you want to contribute.

[3:26:33] Voice 6: But $1,500, as Trump changed, as my auntie Pat used to say, so I don't think that's relevant right now because $1,500 is negative.

[3:26:47] Voice 7: Yeah, so I recall about $150,000 minimum of what's coming, whether the LDC approved or the Council.

[3:26:56] Voice 7: And I think this resolution getting it in now, like you said, is critical.

[3:27:02] Voice 7: I hear you saying there are materials that are produced that explain the different layers of governance, but the message is not getting across.

[3:27:13] Voice 7: But what I'm hearing more from this table is that there's one thing to say what the trust is and what the levels are,

[3:27:20] Voice 7: but more important is what the levels are and what the LDC is doing about the critical issues at the top.

[3:27:27] Voice 7: so I'm hearing that you want to share that message as well while the policy statement is going on.

[3:27:32] Voice 7: And if that's true, I mean, because we already have base level information for getting out,

[3:27:38] Voice 7: and I think that the engagement specialist will definitely make a more robust attempt to explain

[3:27:43] Voice 7: what trust is and how it works. But what I'm hearing is that you want to also include what

[3:27:49] Voice 7: the Salt Spring LTC is doing. Then yeah, I think $1,500 might make a difference, might not. I don't

[3:27:57] Voice 7: Oh, no, I think that's a fact from the director.

[3:28:00] Voice 12: Every little bit will help, that's for sure.

[3:28:03] Voice 11: It's not just what we're doing, it's the engagement.

[3:28:05] Voice 11: Because we're asking the public to be engaged.

[3:28:10] Voice 11: So we want them to be engaged fully,

[3:28:13] Voice 11: and they just need to see why and how it fits.

[3:28:20] Voice 11: That's where it's clear.

[3:28:22] Voice 11: And tell the story.

[3:28:24] Voice 11: So there's a lot of stuff that has to be done,

[3:28:26] Voice 11: but they need to we're bringing them on a journey we got to paint that picture and show them that

[3:28:30] Voice 11: their time we're asking them to invest in giving us feedback is worthwhile and it goes somewhere

[3:28:39] Voice 11: how it's being used so

[3:28:41] Voice 7: i'm not sure in the trust area services perspective

[3:28:45] Voice 7: how they're managing the home is going to get a heart and then is there a they're going to be

[3:28:53] Voice 7: let's say a committee of staff and elected officials who would oversee that project to provide that input or is it just I mean usually it's just staff but I understand that this is a bit of a higher level I'm not sure if there's going to be any pressure it's too early to tell so this does open up the door

[3:29:17] Voice 7: I think it

[3:29:20] Voice 13: sends a message, and I know that Laura and I will advocate at EC for recognizing

[3:29:26] Voice 13: exactly what you said.

[3:29:28] Voice 13: It's a complex web of activities on SaltStream, and they've not understood what the big framework

[3:29:37] Voice 13: is.

[3:29:38] Voice 6: Sorry, your suggestion with the first alternate...

[3:29:42] Voice 6: I'm

[3:29:42] Voice 13: in support of the recommendation.

[3:29:43] Voice 13: Yeah,

[3:29:44] Voice 6: but the one on the primary recommendation, this primary recommendation, yes, absolutely.

[3:29:51] Voice 6: So should we go that way?

[3:29:53] Voice 11: I'm fine with that, but I know we've got engagement that's about to happen.

[3:30:00] Voice 11: And I think we still need to frame that properly.

[3:30:07] Voice 11: Any engagement we start initiating now is going to be in this confused state.

[3:30:13] Voice 11: So we're laying the bricks as we go forward.

[3:30:16] Voice 11: So that's

[3:30:19] Voice 6: a separate issue, isn't it?

[3:30:20] Voice 11: Well, it's all related.

[3:30:22] Voice 11: We've

[3:30:23] Voice 6: got engagement activities that

[3:30:24] Voice 11: could begin imminently.

[3:30:26] Voice 11: At

[3:30:26] Voice 6: this point, we're just being asked to let Trust Area Services know

[3:30:29] Voice 6: that we're we're supportive and want to be involved okay

[3:30:35] Voice 7: i'm hearing that this resolution

[3:30:39] Voice 7: the recommendation put up with the policy engagement for the in-between of what that

[3:30:44] Voice 7: happened there are assaults behind engagement activities and there's maybe not a center

[3:30:51] Voice 7: i want to see here you want to see this is not back if you want to say this is this this is not

[3:30:58] Voice 7: Yeah,

[3:30:58] Voice 11: well, to me, the two need to be brought together.

[3:31:02] Voice 11: This is, I think that's the problem, is our community doesn't know that there's a this and a that.

[3:31:09] Voice 11: They're just hearing, you know, engagement.

[3:31:13] Voice 11: Yeah, so if we, anything that we initiate now is likely to get this response going,

[3:31:22] Voice 11: well, how's this related to policy statement? Why are you doing this now?

[3:31:25] Voice 11: when the policy is taken first, there's

[3:31:27] Voice 13: going to be confusion.

[3:31:28] Voice 13: Anything we do now, we need to take into account the broader ramifications of the engagement process that council is about to...

[3:31:37] Voice 13: Yes,

[3:31:37] Voice 11: that's why I said it all needed to be brought together, weaved...

[3:31:41] Voice 11: I like the word of the day, weaved together, so that it makes sense to the people involved.

[3:31:47] Voice 11: Because they're going to ask right away.

[3:31:49] Voice 6: What do you want to do here and now?

[3:31:53] Voice 11: This just doesn't solve our overall issue.

[3:31:55] Voice 11: would

[3:31:56] Voice 6: no whatever it's a small step yeah

[3:32:02] Voice 13: i think you know i think that's um if i remember rightly

[3:32:05] Voice 13: and getting to where we've got to now with respect to the policy statement it has been acknowledged

[3:32:12] Voice 13: by executive committee and i think staff and i think council that salt spring island

[3:32:20] Voice 13: is i'm not going to say a priority or special or anything like that except that it's a much

[3:32:27] Voice 13: more complex equation and what we do on Salt Spring is going to reflect

[3:32:33] Voice 13: elsewhere on the Southern Gulf Islands and it needs to be done in concert with these

[3:32:38] Voice 13: other activities because otherwise we're just going to dwindle the money away in

[3:32:43] Voice 13: fighting against ourselves and we don't need to do that. It needs to be a cohesive message.

[3:32:51] Voice 13: Well,

[3:32:53] Voice 11: it's framing. It's framing the conversation and building up for success. And it's combining them. I mean, this is where we need to combine it, or not combine it necessarily, but show how it's combined or how it's related.

[3:33:13] Voice 11: it so that this so

[3:33:17] Voice 13: do you have an alternative suggestion here that would fit into what is

[3:33:24] Voice 13: stefan the regional planning manager's report on communication strategy i think this opens a door

[3:33:30] Voice 13: to having that conversation and that door is gonna you know open maybe tomorrow i don't know

[3:33:35] Voice 13: how that's all unfolding

[3:33:39] Voice 6: that will happen let's just get on with this and express our support

[3:33:44] Voice 6: and then the rest will follow suit.

[3:33:47] Voice 11: I'll bring it up at the executive table tomorrow.

[3:33:50] Voice 11: Yeah, go ahead.

[3:33:53] Voice 11: It's critically important.

[3:33:55] Voice 6: Very important.

[3:33:56] Voice 6: So please do.

[3:33:57] Voice 6: So I move that Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:33:59] Voice 6: expresses its desire to provide input

[3:34:01] Voice 6: to the trust area services staff

[3:34:02] Voice 6: and an engagement consultant once hired

[3:34:07] Voice 6: into policy statement engagement activities

[3:34:09] Voice 6: planned for Salt Spring Island.

[3:34:11] Voice 11: Second that.

[3:34:12] Voice 13: Okay, moved and seconded.

[3:34:14] Voice 13: Any further discussion?

[3:34:18] Voice 13: So now the next item is the referral process for discussion, and following that we have

[3:34:24] Voice 13: the CDF science working group and the sales chief failed the conversation, and I'm getting

[3:34:29] Voice 13: a little worried about the time, because I would like to be on, I think it's a 3.40 period

[3:34:38] Voice 13: yet.

[3:34:43] Voice 11: 3.50.

[3:34:44] Voice 13: 3.50.

[3:34:47] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:34:47] Voice 13: So let's keep going.

[3:34:49] Voice 11: 4.50.

[3:34:50] Voice 11: 4.50.

[3:34:52] Voice 13: No, 3.50.

[3:34:53] Voice 11: 3.50?

[3:34:54] Voice 11: Yeah.

[3:34:54] Voice 11: Fulford? 10 to 4. You're right.

[3:34:57] Voice 13: I just

[3:34:58] Voice 11: looked up the schedule. Never mind. Don't

[3:35:00] Voice 11: ask me. I haven't had that second cup of coffee.

[3:35:06] Voice 13: Referral process for discussion. There's no materials here today on this one. We went to 319 yesterday.

[3:35:18] Voice 13: Yeah, it's just a little bit. Okay, so how do we want to proceed with this one? I don't see what we're discussing.

[3:35:26] Voice 6: I

[3:35:27] Voice 11: think this was a caught out, I mean, this was a general referral that this bylaw, that this correspondence started was a general referral.

[3:35:44] Voice 12: Yeah.

[3:35:44] Voice 11: It was not a specific, we didn't specifically refer this to the APC.

[3:35:51] Voice 11: We referred it out to all agencies identified on the list.

[3:35:56] Voice 12: Yes.

[3:35:58] Voice 11: So, this was a good question. This is a new member of the APC who's looking for, you know, when we refer something to the APC that we're specific about what we're asking back.

[3:36:12] Voice 11: What are we looking for advice? Because I know she asked me, she said, you know, what are you looking for in this referral?

[3:36:20] Voice 11: And I was like, did we refer that to you? I didn't even, you know, I had to go back and reread the thing.

[3:36:25] Voice 11: it was just that it was a generic referral to the agency so that's what

[3:36:31] Voice 11: this correspondence is in regard and well

[3:36:40] Voice 13: you know I would say certainly when

[3:36:42] Voice 13: we make referrals other than the normal rezoning and OTP amendments that go to

[3:36:49] Voice 13: the agencies to comment on the content of the how it impacts them in fact the

[3:36:54] Voice 13: same with this does this affect you type messaging but certainly when we refer

[3:37:01] Voice 13: things to the APC we do need to be specific about what it is we want their

[3:37:07] Voice 13: remarks on and sometimes that is lacking yeah

[3:37:12] Voice 11: I think it's like it is I think we

[3:37:14] Voice 11: need to be in tune to that to help them because otherwise I think it just lands

[3:37:20] Voice 11: on their lap and they have a general block without saying we're asking for

[3:37:24] Voice 11: specific feedback and so

[3:37:27] Voice 13: this most recent APC referral we've done we've asked

[3:37:29] Voice 13: for three very specific things and i think that's probably a good model but i would say that it's

[3:37:34] Voice 13: not always like that

[3:37:35] Voice 6: generally it is i would disagree with you we are specifically what the

[3:37:39] Voice 6: information we want usually well usually yeah there are occasions the adc always wants to know

[3:37:46] Voice 6: exactly what it is that we've been asked to do so

[3:37:49] Voice 13: what direction would we like to take with respect

[3:37:51] Voice 13: to i

[3:37:52] Voice 11: don't think we i think it's being cognizant of this i'm very glad to see a new member on the

[3:37:59] Voice 11: apc that's trying to lift the quality of the work that's being done so i think we need to

[3:38:03] Voice 11: embrace the person and

[3:38:05] Voice 13: absolutely and

[3:38:07] Voice 11: uh be just cognizant going forward okay

[3:38:11] Voice 14: i'll

[3:38:14] Voice 13: just say they

[3:38:15] Voice 13: have the lpc discussed the topic i think

[3:38:23] Voice 6: that was appreciative yeah

[3:38:26] Voice 13: so can i go to 17.255 yeah

[3:38:29] Voice 13: Yep.

[3:38:30] Voice 13: LTC special or electronic meeting regarding CDS science working group, page 324.

[3:38:36] Voice 13: I move

[3:38:38] Voice 11: that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee agree to conduct the special business

[3:38:42] Voice 11: meeting scheduled for October 22nd entirely by means of audio and visual electronic communication

[3:38:49] Voice 11: facilities such as Zoom as permitted by By-law 391.

[3:38:53] Voice 6: Second.

[3:39:04] Voice 13: Page 324.

[3:39:06] Voice 13: Is that the one that's on the calendar already?

[3:39:11] Voice 13: So therefore, that's moved and seconded, is there any further discussion?

[3:39:16] Voice 13: I'm

[3:39:17] Voice 6: delighted, but why are we doing this?

[3:39:19] Voice 6: It's on the calendar.

[3:39:21] Voice 6: But this is the Douglas firm meeting.

[3:39:24] Voice 6: Do

[3:39:25] Voice 7: I answer why this resolution is put before you?

[3:39:28] Voice 7: Bylaw 391 requires that you let you do it all.

[3:39:35] Voice 6: So answer it here.

[3:39:37] Voice 6: And this is the Douglas firm meeting.

[3:39:39] Voice 7: With

[3:39:40] Voice 6: the signs working differently.

[3:39:41] Voice 7: Just to finish that thought, that staff will still have to have a staff member present

[3:39:47] Voice 7: probably live.

[3:39:50] Voice 7: And

[3:39:54] Voice 6: the reason for doing it electronically as well.

[3:39:57] Voice 11: Busy people that we're

[3:39:58] Voice 6: trying to meet with.

[3:40:00] Voice 6: Never mind ourselves.

[3:40:01] Voice 6: I'm glad.

[3:40:01] Voice 6: Sure.

[3:40:04] Voice 6: I'm delighted.

[3:40:05] Voice 6: That's fine.

[3:40:05] Voice 6: So

[3:40:06] Voice 13: is that moved and seconded?

[3:40:08] Voice 13: It is, yeah.

[3:40:08] Voice 13: And then I'll call for the vote.

[3:40:11] Voice 13: All those in favor?

[3:40:12] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:40:12] Voice 13: We're going to meet in about 20 seconds.

[3:40:15] Voice 13: Okay, great.

[3:40:16] Voice 13: Great. So the next one now here, 17.2.6, the Salish Sea Trail.

[3:40:22] Voice 13: I

[3:40:22] Voice 11: have a motion, a recommended motion from Jason.

[3:40:27] Voice 11: I'll read that out.

[3:40:28] Voice 11: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee endorse in principle

[3:40:33] Voice 11: the completion of the Salt Spring Island segment of the Salish Sea Trail Network.

[3:40:39] Voice 6: Seconded.

[3:40:41] Voice 13: Seconded. We heard about it earlier, so any discussion?

[3:40:45] Voice 13: No,

[3:40:46] Voice 11: I was going to say, this motion helps Jason so he can continue to attend those meetings.

[3:40:53] Voice 13: All those in favour? Any opposed?

[3:40:55] Voice 13: Opposed? Carries.

[3:40:57] Voice 13: So this brings us around almost full circle to the conversation carried here today at 17.2.7,

[3:41:06] Voice 13: which is to do with the housing action, if that's what I called it.

[3:41:12] Voice 13: But honestly, I really haven't read the motion that you sent in a full morning.

[3:41:26] Voice 13: I had some reflection. So where are you at at this point?

[3:41:30] Voice 11: Well, I was expecting that we would see the business cases back for the housing project that we have,

[3:41:42] Voice 11: as well as Ganges Village Task Force for any budget needs for next year.

[3:41:48] Voice 11: And Regional Planning Manager, Stefan, told me that those were just already dealt with before

[3:41:54] Voice 11: based on the existing project.

[3:41:59] Voice 11: So to me, this is an opportunity to amend the housing task force one

[3:42:07] Voice 11: one to consider the initial steps of creating or at least investigating the development

[3:42:14] Voice 11: of the options and so forth for a housing council-like entity. I thought we'd see those

[3:42:26] Voice 11: again.

[3:42:28] Voice 13: And so what you're saying is we're not going to see those again? That's done,

[3:42:33] Voice 13: rubber-stamped and off to FTC?

[3:42:38] Voice 7: Yes. So what happened is the LTC already put the project charter and the budgets to go

[3:42:42] Voice 7: with them. What we've done is only update the actuals and then sort of move the money

[3:42:49] Voice 7: out to the unspent. And normally we wouldn't even do that, but the process has changed

[3:42:56] Voice 7: this year because the director of mobs, that's the right one, has asked that we have a more

[3:43:04] Voice 7: or a better process going forward. So that's what we've done.

[3:43:09] Voice 7: Okay.

[3:43:10] Voice 7: That's our requirement.

[3:43:12] Voice 7: So

[3:43:18] Voice 13: with respect to the ask there, and I'm probably not going to comment on it, but just

[3:43:25] Voice 13: with respect to the motion itself and the desired outcome, have you thought about a

[3:43:32] Voice 13: way to advance that so that we can keep our eyes on it and provide frame in some fashion

[3:43:44] Voice 13: that would enable us to get to a place where we would be making some kind of a budget.

[3:43:48] Voice 13: The original budget or what I, the resolution?

[3:43:53] Voice 13: What Trustee Patrick has brought forward in the debate.

[3:43:55] Voice 13: I'm asking that, it's been,

[3:44:02] Voice 3: it's a lot to unpack.

[3:44:07] Voice 13: So, yeah, so, what would you like to do, Trustee Patrick?

[3:44:12] Voice 13: I don't recall whether or not it was moved and seconded, that motion.

[3:44:15] Voice 11: It has.

[3:44:15] Voice 11: It

[3:44:16] Voice 13: just got moved.

[3:44:16] Voice 11: It was moved and seconded.

[3:44:18] Voice 11: Right.

[3:44:18] Voice 11: I mean, it's an opportunity that we should proceed with looking at because we have these powers and that we should do the minimum work now to at least establish a budget that allows us to consider the initiating steps that would need to be done.

[3:44:48] Voice 11: because I know this is way out of my understanding

[3:44:51] Voice 11: of

[3:44:52] Voice 1: everything that has

[3:44:52] Voice 11: to be done,

[3:44:53] Voice 11: that there's a lot of work that would have to be done

[3:44:55] Voice 11: to have a successful entity set up under these powers,

[3:45:00] Voice 11: but we should at least be establishing a budget

[3:45:05] Voice 11: to initiate that work for next year.

[3:45:08] Voice 11: And so I am cognizant of not wanting to dump

[3:45:12] Voice 11: extra workload on anybody.

[3:45:15] Voice 11: It is related to the business case

[3:45:18] Voice 11: or the housing action program that was based on the housing working groups

[3:45:24] Voice 11: report which had the two parts of it

[3:45:27] Voice 11: one of the parts was this work it just

[3:45:31] Voice 11: wasn't we didn't advance it at that time so it's how can we you know not put too

[3:45:42] Voice 11: much you know pressure on staff but still um come up with a business case or a process where we can

[3:45:54] Voice 11: at least be getting some budget request money in there to initiate the support next year that's the

[3:46:01] Voice 11: challenge

[3:46:02] Voice 13: and that is a challenge right um and i i think i understand that and i certainly

[3:46:09] Voice 13: i'm sympathetic i don't know what the broader ramifications are because of course i would

[3:46:16] Voice 13: suspect that this actually would end up having to be on trust council's strategic plan

[3:46:20] Voice 13: and i think it would require those we need to get that endorsement and what you know this

[3:46:27] Voice 13: the story the ongoing story everywhere is what are we not going to do if we're going to do this

[3:46:34] Voice 13: and so i'm not sure how we could advance that so i'm thinking what i would like to do is have this

[3:46:41] Voice 13: conversation at executive committee with senior staff to say salt spring is interested in

[3:46:48] Voice 13: considering a further delegation of power a new body to deal with housing and how what's the best

[3:46:58] Voice 13: way to follow that lead into a successful outcome i'm not sure that it's achievable

[3:47:05] Voice 13: realistically in this coming budget but let's ask the question that would be my

[3:47:12] Voice 13: intuition because I think there's a little bit more information needed

[3:47:17] Voice 13: particularly around if we're going to build a business case to ask for money

[3:47:21] Voice 13: we need to know how much and what would be involved and I realize that that may

[3:47:29] Voice 13: be not satisfying to realize that that may not reach being included in the

[3:47:40] Voice 13: But that said, people have walked things in late before.

[3:47:46] Voice 13: We

[3:47:46] Voice 11: walked the entire housing project in after January last year.

[3:47:50] Voice 13: Yeah.

[3:47:50] Voice 11: So I'm not afraid of taking this.

[3:47:53] Voice 11: Well, I am afraid of taking this to the Trust Council, to be quite honest,

[3:47:56] Voice 11: and it's moot at the moment.

[3:47:58] Voice 11: Well,

[3:47:59] Voice 13: and that's a fair thing to consider.

[3:48:01] Voice 11: But I will do it happily.

[3:48:06] Voice 11: So, I mean, I'm okay with postponing this,

[3:48:09] Voice 11: and we can have this conversation as an executive.

[3:48:13] Voice 11: Because,

[3:48:14] Voice 13: you know, if I remember rightly, and Peter Grove reminded me, you were there,

[3:48:18] Voice 13: I think, literally, when we did the Salt Stream Water Improvement District, you know, with

[3:48:23] Voice 13: George Grams and you that walked out and made it happen.

[3:48:30] Voice 13: That's absolutely true.

[3:48:31] Voice 13: And

[3:48:31] Voice 11: I'm prepared to do that by myself if necessary, but I hope not.

[3:48:36] Voice 13: Well, I think

[3:48:37] Voice 13: you have our support, don't get me wrong, but I just need to know

[3:48:41] Voice 13: how we're going to get there. For me, that's just the way I am.

[3:48:47] Voice 11: Great. So I

[3:48:48] Voice 6: just wanted to say yes and with regard to support, I think it's a

[3:48:51] Voice 6: wonderful idea. I do not think it's realistic. I don't think it can be done in this term.

[3:48:56] Voice 6: I don't think we've got our housing committee who is coming up with recommendations,

[3:49:03] Voice 6: which I'm looking forward to seeing. And to sort of throw this into the mix right now,

[3:49:09] Voice 6: I think just causes confusion, if not chaos.

[3:49:13] Voice 11: I want to be clear, this isn't about throwing something into the next.

[3:49:16] Voice 11: This is a completely different entity.

[3:49:20] Voice 11: It doesn't interrupt the work that's being done.

[3:49:22] Voice 11: The task force is doing work within our jurisdiction about the OCTs and biologics.

[3:49:28] Voice 11: This is about all the other work that's happening on the island,

[3:49:32] Voice 11: about facilitating housing options.

[3:49:36] Voice 11: You know, so it's all the housing groups and BC Housing and other, the CRD housing group.

[3:49:44] Voice 11: These meetings are happening.

[3:49:46] Voice 11: There's a lot happening, but it's happening with this group of people over here and this

[3:49:51] Voice 11: group of people over here, and it's the typical fashion on Salt Spring.

[3:49:55] Voice 11: And this is an opportunity to bring people all under one umbrella.

[3:49:59] Voice 6: It is these groups, like the CMODM, they could be involving the other groups, including

[3:50:04] Voice 6: including ourselves, if they wish to do so.

[3:50:06] Voice 11: They are.

[3:50:08] Voice 6: But

[3:50:08] Voice 11: the Housing Council is a different...

[3:50:11] Voice 11: It's a body of sort of a support group

[3:50:13] Voice 11: of everybody that's on life support on the Salt Spring

[3:50:16] Voice 11: and trying to do housing that's tired

[3:50:19] Voice 11: and it's been run by volunteers.

[3:50:21] Voice 11: And this is about invigorating that process and saving it.

[3:50:25] Voice 6: We

[3:50:25] Voice 11: have a tool that can do it.

[3:50:28] Voice 6: The others do too.

[3:50:29] Voice 6: The CRD can go...

[3:50:31] Voice 6: Well,

[3:50:31] Voice 11: then beat up Gary and get him to

[3:50:34] Voice 11: move forward on it.

[3:50:35] Voice 11: But, you know, so I'll postpone.

[3:50:38] Voice 11: I move to postpone this to our next meeting.

[3:50:41] Voice 11: Perfect.

[3:50:42] Voice 11: You know, then subject to the conversations we'll have.

[3:50:45] Voice 12: Well, it actually hasn't been seconded.

[3:50:46] Voice 12: It was seconded.

[3:50:48] Voice 11: It wasn't seconded?

[3:50:49] Voice 11: Yes, it was.

[3:50:49] Voice 11: I'll move to postpone to our next meeting.

[3:50:51] Voice 6: Good.

[3:50:51] Voice 6: Perfect.

[3:50:52] Voice 6: Okay.

[3:50:52] Voice 6: And I would love to have some comments from staff on it, if that's possible.

[3:51:04] Voice 11: Well, we have to remove it from the table.

[3:51:05] Voice 11: So we

[3:51:05] Voice 13: have to remove the topic from the table.

[3:51:08] Voice 13: So

[3:51:09] Voice 11: postponement is that we can't table to another meeting.

[3:51:11] Voice 11: No.

[3:51:12] Voice 11: We can only postpone to another meeting.

[3:51:14] Voice 12: That's right.

[3:51:15] Voice 12: So now we're...

[3:51:15] Voice 11: Robert rules of order.

[3:51:16] Voice 12: Good for you.

[3:51:18] Voice 13: I

[3:51:18] Voice 11: read weird stuff at the table.

[3:51:20] Voice 13: Okay, so you got that?

[3:51:22] Voice 13: Yep.

[3:51:22] Voice 11: Yeah, you lifted it

[3:51:23] Voice 12: from the table and then...

[3:51:25] Voice 12: Moved to postpone

[3:51:26] Voice 12: to the next meeting.

[3:51:27] Voice 12: To the next meeting.

[3:51:28] Voice 12: So it was moved and seconded?

[3:51:30] Voice 12: Yep.

[3:51:30] Voice 12: All those in favor?

[3:51:31] Voice 12: Thank you.

[3:51:33] Voice 12: Thank you.

[3:51:33] Voice 12: and

[3:51:35] Voice 11: I'll do more work

[3:51:36] Voice 11: and I did talk to George

[3:51:38] Voice 11: very lengthy email

[3:51:40] Voice 11: so

[3:51:40] Voice 13: I think that

[3:51:45] Voice 13: concludes our agenda

[3:51:46] Voice 13: our next meeting is now

[3:51:48] Voice 13: on October the 22nd

[3:51:51] Voice 13: special meeting

[3:51:51] Voice 13: and our regular meeting is going to be November 9th

[3:51:55] Voice 13: and if there's no further business

[3:51:56] Voice 13: I'll call for a hearing

[3:51:57] Voice 13: all those in favor

[3:52:00] Voice 13: thank you Peter

[3:52:01] Voice 13: thank you everybody for joining us

[3:52:05] Voice 13: the day. We will be on November the 22nd and November the 9th.