Islands Trust Council community information meeting, October 8, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Fast: joy about that. So thanks everybody for coming and I'd just like to begin without my usual

[0:00:05] Trustee Fast: notes in front of me. So I'm hoping people will help me if I forget anything. Here, this

[0:00:13] Trustee Fast: is even better. So we're fortunate here to be able to meet in a time of COVID and I really

[0:00:28] Trustee Fast: want to thank everybody for coming and for helping us run a safe meeting. I'm mad about

[0:00:32] Trustee Fast: about safe meeting. Masks, which Joy requires in this room. This is a venue rule, and it's

[0:00:40] Trustee Fast: also, of course, practical for us to keep each other safe. Air, so that's the quality

[0:00:46] Trustee Fast: of air we've got. If anybody feels like we need to open more windows, I think Joy said

[0:00:50] Trustee Fast: we could open the side windows at the back. You did already? Great. Thank you. That's

[0:00:56] Trustee Fast: a great idea. If

[0:00:56] Trustee Fast: people get too cold, let us know, but I'm going to have as much fresh

[0:01:00] Trustee Fast: air in here as we can. The other one is distance. So the more distance we can keep, thank you

[0:01:06] Trustee Fast: Alex, for spreading the chairs out.

[0:01:11] Voice 18: Alex, gas could be noddled all the way. Can you

[0:01:16] Trustee Fast: just, can it be part way? Oh, that's fine. Okay. And if it gets to, it's going to freeze,

[0:01:23] Trustee Fast: Yeah, it is cold. Maybe just have it open a little bit. Good. Thank you.

[0:01:30] Trustee Fast: Okay. And so I'm going to be, I started my working life as a lifeguard at 16.

[0:01:38] Trustee Fast: And I'm prepared to keep the safety rules, just so people know.

[0:01:45] Trustee Fast: And so thanks, everybody, for coming with your masks and bearing by the venue rules.

[0:01:50] Trustee Fast: and let's keep a safe meeting. I'd like to acknowledge with respect that this

[0:01:55] Trustee Fast: meeting is being held digitally and in person across the Coast Salish

[0:02:00] Trustee Fast: territory especially the unceded traditional territory of the Comox

[0:02:04] Trustee Fast: Nation and we're about to begin our meeting here so let me see I'd like to

[0:02:11] Trustee Fast: introduce trustees if you don't know this is Alex Allen local trustee local

[0:02:16] Trustee Fast: local trustee Grant Scott, and I'm off-island chair,

[0:02:20] Trustee Fast: vice chair of the Island's Trust, Sue Ellen Fast,

[0:02:23] Trustee Fast: live on Bowen Island in Howe Sound, a new biosphere reserve,

[0:02:28] Trustee Fast: UNESCO biosphere reserve.

[0:02:30] Trustee Fast: So today we're going to, oh, yeah,

[0:02:33] Trustee Fast: and today we're going to be going through the agenda that's in front of us,

[0:02:38] Trustee Fast: if I can keep it

[0:02:39] Voice 1: in front of me,

[0:02:40] Trustee Fast: and I'm hoping that we'll move things around a little bit on the agenda

[0:02:44] Trustee Fast: as trustees and staff have talked about.

[0:02:49] Trustee Fast: So we'll be making some adjustments to the agenda in a minute.

[0:02:52] Trustee Fast: First of all, I want to say, if anybody hears offensive, oppressive language

[0:02:56] Trustee Fast: or you encounter it, let me know, wave your

[0:02:59] Trustee Fast: hand, anything like that.

[0:03:01] Trustee Fast: Because I'd like to run a safe meeting also from a staff workplace point of view

[0:03:06] Trustee Fast: and for all of us here so that we all feel free to speak

[0:03:09] Trustee Fast: and feel like our views will be listened to.

[0:03:12] Trustee Fast: So that will be really helpful.

[0:03:15] Trustee Fast: I'd like to

[0:03:16] Trustee Fast: let's be hard on the issues and easy on each other I know we've all

[0:03:19] Trustee Fast: got passions and I'm trying to get this meeting going here so direct questions

[0:03:24] Trustee Fast: to us trustees when we get to those parts of the meeting like the town hall

[0:03:29] Trustee Fast: and it says use the script from well but I can't find it so I'm going to

[0:03:33] Trustee Fast: introduce staff that are with us at the meeting we've got regional planning

[0:03:37] Trustee Fast: manager Heather power with us today so she's the boss of a little northern

[0:03:41] Trustee Fast: region planners and uh and staff and so she's going to be bringing in a couple of staff on

[0:03:47] Trustee Fast: the phone that's why she's been setting it up over there so can you introduce who will be with us on

[0:03:51] Trustee Fast: the phone yep

[0:03:51] Voice 3: so we have a brand new boat she's our minute taker and fast one can you say hi

[0:03:56] Voice 3: good

[0:03:59] Trustee Fast: this is like a roll call we make sure

[0:04:01] Trustee Fast: who's with us in the room go

[0:04:02] Voice 3: ahead so we also have um

[0:04:11] Trustee Fast: Thank you. And Teresa is a planner.

[0:04:14] Voice 3: And we'll also have Jamie who will be joining us later when she has an application on the agenda.

[0:04:21] Trustee Fast: Great. So we'll have two planners with us and the minute taker will be with us the whole time.

[0:04:25] Trustee Fast: Right. And Heather will be managing that side of things over there at that table.

[0:04:30] Trustee Fast: This equipment that you can see in front of us is just to record the meeting.

[0:04:34] Trustee Fast: so if you see me fiddling with it it's just because we're we're trying to bring technology

[0:04:39] Trustee Fast: with us into this new era and uh make a video recording of the meeting so that you can look

[0:04:44] Trustee Fast: at it online later it's a first step um but that's what this gear is about so uh please just

[0:04:50] Trustee Fast: watch out for the cords or anything we don't want anybody tripping and uh that's another part of the

[0:04:55] Trustee Fast: safety stuff i guess i need some gaffer tape okay and uh so this meeting is being recorded

[0:05:00] Trustee Fast: just so everybody knows and so that might mean make a difference to you or

[0:05:09] Trustee Fast: not so please bear with us here some of us are working from home like planners

[0:05:14] Trustee Fast: and that kind of thing so we're still okay I've got too many of these bear

[0:05:17] Trustee Fast: with us but this is a healthy sorry I'm looking for a healthy dialogue good

[0:05:24] Trustee Fast: discussion and this is a an official forum it's a business meeting of the

[0:05:28] Trustee Fast: the local trust committee about land use issues on Bowen Island.

[0:05:31] Trustee Fast: I'm really glad.

[0:05:32] Trustee Fast: I'd like to also recognize Daniel Arbour, your regional director,

[0:05:38] Trustee Fast: who I'm sure you all know way better than I do.

[0:05:40] Trustee Fast: So thank you for joining us.

[0:05:44] Trustee Fast: And, yeah, let's get going.

[0:05:48] Trustee Fast: I did that.

[0:05:49] Trustee Fast: You didn't do it here.

[0:05:50] Trustee Fast: No, it's okay.

[0:05:51] Trustee Fast: I did.

[0:05:52] Trustee Fast: I'm fortunate to gather in locations across the Coast Salish Territory

[0:05:56] Trustee Fast: and particularly here in the unceded traditional territory,

[0:06:00] Trustee Fast: or a home observation.

[0:06:01] Trustee Fast: So thank you.

[0:06:02] Trustee Fast: I did zip through things a little quicker.

[0:06:04] Trustee Fast: I'm a little more jumbly than usual.

[0:06:06] Trustee Fast: My apologies.

[0:06:08] Trustee Fast: Okay, so let's call the meeting to order.

[0:06:11] Trustee Fast: And I'd like to ask if there's things we want moved

[0:06:16] Trustee Fast: or changed on the agenda.

[0:06:20] Trustee Fast: Hello, everybody.

[0:06:21] Trustee Fast: Thank you for

[0:06:22] Trustee Fast: wearing your masks and welcome.

[0:06:25] Trustee Fast: Come on in.

[0:06:26] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Heather.

[0:06:27] Voice 3: There's one item at 12.1 that the trustees may want to move immediately following the public hearing since it has to do with that topic.

[0:06:38] Trustee Fast: Right. So let's move 12.1 up to just below 10.2 and that makes sense and we can hear that as a bundle, it's all related.

[0:06:51] Trustee Fast: And is that the only one that you've got from staff?

[0:06:54] Trustee Fast: I would just like

[0:06:56] Voice 3: to suggest that, and it could be just when we talk about upcoming meetings, the possibility of having an electronic meeting at the next conference meeting.

[0:07:08] Trustee Fast: Good idea, because at the very

[0:07:09] Trustee Fast: end of the meeting is when we usually discuss the next meeting, so it's down here at 18.1.

[0:07:14] Trustee Fast: But let's move that up to right after the town hall, when the most people are here. Is that what you'd like?

[0:07:21] Trustee Fast: Okay, so it goes number four, town hall, and then 18.1, which is next meeting,

[0:07:27] Trustee Fast: just so we can have that discussion when more people from the community are here

[0:07:32] Trustee Fast: about how to do it, because it's complicated.

[0:07:37] Trustee Fast: And that'll be good.

[0:07:40] Trustee Fast: Anything else?

[0:07:41] Trustee Fast: People want to move?

[0:07:44] Trustee Fast: Okay, here's that.

[0:07:46] Trustee Fast: Can I have a motion to adopt the agenda?

[0:07:49] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Grant.

[0:07:50] Voice 16: Second.

[0:07:50] Voice 16: Thank

[0:07:51] Trustee Fast: you. And all in favor, that's approved. Good. Thank you. And trustee reports. Let's hear from the trustees. I haven't seen these trustees in person since March 2020. However, I've seen them on Zoom, and we've been holding meetings, as you know. But go ahead, Grant. Since our last meeting was July 16th.

[0:08:11] Trustee Fast: Well,

[0:08:13] Voice 18: a big thing on the island yesterday was the school opening, which was a huge event for the island.

[0:08:20] Voice 18: There's 50-odd, 53 kids this year, 15 more than last year, apparently.

[0:08:27] Voice 18: And so the reasoning is some people are home and are actually here last year and they've stayed,

[0:08:35] Voice 18: and some other people have come and stayed.

[0:08:36] Voice 18: I guess the new school and not being in the city and there being smaller classrooms, I asked Lauren about it and she said it was really interesting, but the new school is beautiful and the work done and the community effort is really quite phenomenal, so that's a huge thing on the island.

[0:08:55] Voice 18: The other thing is, I think, is the thatch. Every time you drive by there, you see that huge hole in the ground down there. It's just a really, really sad thing.

[0:09:04] Voice 18: made it you know the flash which is your restaurant was quite a big part of the island

[0:09:09] Voice 18: and uh it's it's not gone but there's nothing happening we have absolutely no word on

[0:09:16] what's coming out of you know the minister had

[0:09:20] Voice 18: a conversation with the head of the

[0:09:24] uh with russ and with chair welcome don't trust and the chief um from comox but we weren't involved

[0:09:35] that was and i went out in all that conversation which i found very very strange

[0:09:38] Voice 18: and i brought it

[0:09:40] Voice 18: out and got a very satisfactory answer but anyway i mean it would be good so i don't know if you

[0:09:47] Voice 18: could well you're on the executive maybe you could report what you wrote to the executive

[0:09:51] Voice 18: It depends

[0:09:53] Trustee Fast: on whether it's in a closed meeting or not.

[0:09:55] Trustee Fast: I have to say a lot of these things are government-to-government.

[0:10:00] Trustee Fast: So when it's the province and the First Nation, that's government-to-government.

[0:10:04] Trustee Fast: And sometimes the trust is involved by invitation or inviting us

[0:10:10] Trustee Fast: and sometimes not.

[0:10:11] Trustee Fast: So it's a kind of – and if it's in a closed meeting that I've had

[0:10:16] Trustee Fast: or that we've had because we've got a closed meeting following this,

[0:10:21] Trustee Fast: one, then we're not allowed to talk about it, because it's confidentiality, and there

[0:10:25] Trustee Fast: are rules in the Local Government Act and the Community Charter. So, we don't always

[0:10:31] Trustee Fast: get invited, either. And we don't always get invited, as you said.

[0:10:37] Trustee Fast: Okay, so school and the fact...

[0:10:40] Voice 18: Well, it's still, I mean, it's still strange we haven't heard anything, you know, that

[0:10:44] Voice 18: the public want to know, and we haven't heard anything at all about it from anybody, from

[0:10:49] Voice 18: from Comox, from the minister's office, from our office.

[0:10:54] Voice 18: So could you take that back just to say I don't know that the meeting was...

[0:10:58] Trustee Fast: Let's ask that question in the closed meeting.

[0:11:00] Voice 18: All right.

[0:11:01] Trustee Fast: Bring it up.

[0:11:02] Voice 18: Okay.

[0:11:02] Voice 18: Okay.

[0:11:04] Trustee Fast: Is that your report for now?

[0:11:06] Voice 18: Yeah,

[0:11:07] Voice 20: that would be for now.

[0:11:07] Voice 20: Okay.

[0:11:08] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:11:09] Trustee Fast: Alex?

[0:11:11] Voice 20: Well, I could go on and on about how many meetings I haven't been able to attend,

[0:11:14] Voice 20: but it's amazing how many meetings we've had in the last two months.

[0:11:17] Voice 20: It's insane.

[0:11:18] Voice 20: night. So let's see, I was at the Trust Council in September, and by Zoom, we had a session

[0:11:30] Voice 20: on tree cutting, all us trustees got together and what kind of authority we'd like to see

[0:11:37] Voice 20: us have on our own, sorry, my nose is cutting, tree cutting, and hopefully we will have some

[0:11:45] Voice 20: report about that at my next trust council meeting.

[0:11:49] Voice 20: It's

[0:11:49] Trustee Fast: about authority to stop people cutting trees, it's not that the Islands Trust is going to cut them.

[0:11:54] Trustee Fast: Yeah,

[0:11:54] Voice 20: but I could have... There's

[0:11:55] Trustee Fast: interests about, and different trustees, so we had a workshop.

[0:11:58] Trustee Fast: Yeah, yeah,

[0:11:59] Voice 20: protected species, the big rocks, small rocks, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:12:02] Voice 20: And then I'll say on the report that there's a vote on 13 to 11 on hiring more staff in the consulting firm, which I was against.

[0:12:12] Trustee Fast: That's the consultants that are doing management and governance report.

[0:12:17] Voice 19: And I just feel like we don't.

[0:12:18] Trustee Fast: Oh, that's a policy statement.

[0:12:20] Voice 19: And I felt,

[0:12:21] Voice 20: to

[0:12:22] Voice 19: be honest, that

[0:12:23] Voice 20: we don't need to hire more staff.

[0:12:26] Voice 20: And then, of course, we had the San Juan Island councillor there, and it's always great to hear what they're doing.

[0:12:31] Voice 20: And they're reporting on similar issues that we have from the influx of the people with secondary homes on the island,

[0:12:38] Voice 20: which is interesting, which is what we've seen on our island, on top of visitors, so they have the same scenario that we have.

[0:12:47] Voice 20: But they have more, able to tax and, you know, hospitality tax and all those taxes that we can't do, unfortunately, because we don't have that authority.

[0:12:56] Voice 20: And then there's a regional district meeting that Daniel, very great chair, I was going to say that we should have you chair our trust council meetings,

[0:13:07] Voice 20: because he only lasts for half a day instead of three days, he's really good.

[0:13:12] Voice 20: You didn't attend that, but he didn't go to bed.

[0:13:17] Voice 20: And then the fire department, I just want to say that we talked to everything about fire protection.

[0:13:24] Voice 20: I just want to clarify, was it 170 calls they had in a summer alone? Was that the year in terms of fire department?

[0:13:29] Voice 20: Yeah.

[0:13:30] Voice 20: And not one, which is great, was on brush fire. Not one. There was beach fire issues, but it was amazing.

[0:13:36] Voice 20: We never had, you know, all this concern about our island going up in flames in the summertime with the drought and stuff.

[0:13:42] Voice 20: Uh, it pays enough for behaving themselves. So that's my report.

[0:13:48] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:13:49] Voice 18: So I'd like to add one thing.

[0:13:50] Voice 7: Go ahead.

[0:13:51] Voice 18: About housing, there's a group

[0:13:53] Voice 19: on the island that's

[0:13:54] Voice 18: getting together, which is all of the, uh, basically the chairs of the different organizations around the housing issue.

[0:14:00] Voice 19: Can you speak up a little bit for

[0:14:02] Trustee Fast: the people in the back?

[0:14:02] Voice 18: Yeah. Can you hear me back there, Brian? Can you hear me?

[0:14:06] Voice 18: so yeah so

[0:14:11] Trustee Fast: that's why we need the masks on and be able to hear can you guys hear at the back

[0:14:16] Trustee Fast: because maybe it's okay oh it's okay well

[0:14:18] Voice 20: something that's a number too

[0:14:19] Voice 18: okay carry on

[0:14:21] Trustee Fast: so

[0:14:22] Voice 18: the issue is permanent housing on rmd year-round permanent housing for a whole number

[0:14:30] Voice 18: of different groups of people people are working people that are that are here now that need a

[0:14:34] Voice 18: place to live. Older people that are under house trying to get workers to come here to support the

[0:14:41] Voice 18: community for all the things we need people for and it's people you people want to come to work

[0:14:47] Voice 18: if they don't have a place to live there's you know so that's a huge issue so what this group

[0:14:51] Voice 18: is doing is working specifically on that issue and Wendy's there's a number of people in the room

[0:14:55] Voice 18: are there that are in that group to try to find solutions and solutions we can do in the short

[0:14:59] Voice 18: term and we're doing one today we're doing the one on that permanent

[0:15:03] Voice 18: that housing moratorium we're going to do that because that's something that

[0:15:07] Voice 18: came up out of that meeting got on the agenda

[0:15:09] Voice 18: people are here that's great someone's happy and as alex mentioned the policy

[0:15:13] Voice 18: review that's going to come to the island that affects our ocp and our

[0:15:17] Voice 18: language bylaws and that's so that's going to come so thank you

[0:15:20] Voice 18: yeah

[0:15:21] Trustee Fast: good thank you and i'm going to be very brief because

[0:15:24] Trustee Fast: we're already running a little bit behind and that is uh i'll just say that

[0:15:27] Trustee Fast: Just for this week, I've come from Victoria. I was there on Tuesday for an Islands Trust Conservancy meeting. So that was a good meeting and we passed a bunch of information. Sorry, a bunch more areas are protected in various ways. And we'll have some of the information on the agenda later.

[0:15:47] Trustee Fast: We've got a new board member from Galliano Island, Risa Smith, who comes from a UNESCO Man in the Biosphere background, as well as national and provincial conservation reporting policies and plans.

[0:16:05] Trustee Fast: So that's great to have her on board.

[0:16:07] Trustee Fast: And then executive committee on the next day, the Wednesday.

[0:16:13] Trustee Fast: day so that's where uh the vice chair is from the chairs of all the local trust committees there's

[0:16:20] Trustee Fast: four of us peter luckham is the chair of the whole trust council and then there's me uh dan rogers

[0:16:26] Trustee Fast: and kate uh sorry me dan rogers and laura patrick from salt spring dan rogers from gabriel island

[0:16:33] Trustee Fast: also in house out so um he zoomed in and the rest of us were there in person and then i came up here

[0:16:39] Trustee Fast: So here we are. I'm not going to go much more into that. I want to pass it over to Daniel Arbour.

[0:16:44] Trustee Fast: Daniel, thanks for joining us and do you want to say a few words?

[0:16:48] Voice 13: Yes, thanks Chair Faust. It is good to see you again in person in this setting. It's been a long few months.

[0:16:57] Voice 13: So yeah, I'll just try to be brief as well. It was really great.

[0:17:00] Voice 13: I'm sorry you couldn't attend that day, but we had a really good meeting with the Hornby and Allen's Trust Committee last meeting.

[0:17:06] Voice 13: As Alex said, maybe like a cherry, but some people didn't like it because we had 18 items

[0:17:12] Voice 13: which we covered in two hours.

[0:17:14] Voice 13: So that was a real crack of the whip to get to the end, and thanks to Heather who was

[0:17:18] Voice 13: there as well.

[0:17:20] Voice 13: And then on Tuesday, this coming Tuesday, there's another opportunity for all the Island

[0:17:24] Voice 13: Trust officials in the area.

[0:17:25] Voice 13: We're going to have our elected official forum, co-hosted with Comox First Nation and

[0:17:31] Voice 13: Around Water.

[0:17:31] Voice 13: water. This team was selected following the drought this summer and we're going to review

[0:17:38] Voice 13: a bunch of things from community water systems to a number of wells, not only on Morby but

[0:17:43] Voice 13: in Maricou-Marsal, the run-dry this summer, the trend around climate and possibilities

[0:17:49] Voice 13: for more local government engagement around the issue. On Morby right now is the fiber

[0:17:56] Voice 13: This summer, you probably noticed, we got a 5.6 million contribution from the province

[0:18:03] Voice 13: of British Columbia to bring fiber to every home on the endowment.

[0:18:06] Voice 13: So we had two sessions yesterday and the day before that are available on YouTube where

[0:18:12] Voice 13: we had over 200 people attend those sessions and ask questions.

[0:18:16] Voice 13: So I'll just refer people to our website for this.

[0:18:21] Voice 13: We're considering an arts request for, again, from the Arts Council to access some taxes.

[0:18:29] Voice 13: But on that topic, I have to share with you, with the Trust Committee, I'm definitely

[0:18:36] Voice 13: worried a little bit on a number of fronts, but one of which is I'm really concerned

[0:18:43] Voice 13: about the housing assessments that are going to come in for our local trust area this coming

[0:18:46] Voice 13: year.

[0:18:47] Voice 13: this could have a significant impact on our taxes. We saw that two years ago there was a big bump of

[0:18:53] Voice 13: 20% on the islands. Right now I just have anecdotal information around recent sales on the island but

[0:19:01] Voice 13: those are the kind of things that really could have a big tax impact come the tax season. So

[0:19:08] Voice 13: So we continue last year at the Comox Valley, we did deliver a minus 7.78% decrease in taxes

[0:19:19] Voice 13: across the area, but that varies.

[0:19:21] Voice 13: So jurisdictions that gain more assessment value may have seen an increase.

[0:19:26] Voice 13: And so keeping an eye on this one.

[0:19:28] Voice 13: In that context, my closing comment is indeed, it is with a number of people here and trustees.

[0:19:35] Voice 13: Scott, we've initiated a group to look at housing, understanding that the Hornby Island

[0:19:41] Voice 13: Housing Society is covering the bulk of the work for housing on the island and that the

[0:19:45] Voice 13: Island's Trust through the OCP and zoning is covering the big picture.

[0:19:49] Voice 13: But even at the meeting last week, we've initiated a discussion to maybe do a feasibility in

[0:19:56] Voice 13: 2022 to see if the Island's Trust and the CBRD could collaborate to look at opportunities

[0:20:01] Voice 13: opportunities to better support housing on both on the endowment. So I'll be visiting the local trust committee next month as well and

[0:20:09] Voice 13: maybe expect for your committee a letter from me in the coming month in time for your December meeting for consideration.

[0:20:17] Voice 13: That's my report. Thank you very much.

[0:20:18] Voice 20: Great. Thank you very much.

[0:20:20] Voice 20: Can I ask Dan something? There's an area director's thing on Wednesday, next Wednesday from 12 to 1. Is that, what is that?

[0:20:27] Voice 20: Which one?

[0:20:28] Voice 20: there was a car that came in our mail oh sorry

[0:20:32] Voice 13: okay so um yeah sorry that's that's myself my

[0:20:37] Voice 13: two colleagues to the north we're just we were doing open houses before covid but then we moved

[0:20:42] Voice 13: to zoom so this is for residents we're just giving the overview and it's we explain the topics that

[0:20:47] Voice 13: are regional but people can log in to zoom and ask us any questions it's a bit like a town hall

[0:20:52] Voice 13: so anybody who wants to to come that's what you would have seen in your inbox i'm hoping

[0:20:57] Voice 13: that before the end of the term we can return to kind of rent the hall and have people but

[0:21:02] Voice 13: there's still hesitancy around that. Thank you. And

[0:21:07] Trustee Fast: there's new rules coming down all the time

[0:21:09] Trustee Fast: from the province so it's changing and we're trying to dance around it and figure it out as

[0:21:16] Trustee Fast: we go. Thank you very much for joining us and it's great to see you and to have the connection. I'm

[0:21:26] Trustee Fast: And now, on our agenda, it's time for the Town Hall.

[0:21:31] Trustee Fast: So this is a chance, I'm hoping that people will just stay where you are

[0:21:34] Trustee Fast: so we can keep this distancing going on.

[0:21:37] Trustee Fast: And Town Hall is an opportunity for public comments.

[0:21:41] Trustee Fast: I'm just reading from our guidelines.

[0:21:44] Trustee Fast: And a chance to speak to informed trustees about topics relevant to the local trust area.

[0:21:50] Trustee Fast: And so, with time available, we'll vary.

[0:21:53] Trustee Fast: We're heading towards a scheduled community information meeting and town hall.

[0:22:00] Trustee Fast: So I'm hoping we don't have a lot

[0:22:02] Trustee Fast: of comments.

[0:22:03] Trustee Fast: But if we do, we'll just pause for the community information meeting and public hearing and resume.

[0:22:11] Trustee Fast: But this is not for applicants, obviously.

[0:22:19] Trustee Fast: This is for people who'd like to speak.

[0:22:23] Trustee Fast: And I think we've got a sort of 10 minutes usually for this committee.

[0:22:29] Trustee Fast: Oh, five minutes per.

[0:22:33] Trustee Fast: Anyway, you're welcome to speak.

[0:22:34] Trustee Fast: Who would like to speak?

[0:22:36] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[0:22:37] Trustee Fast: Can I start from that side then?

[0:22:38] Trustee Fast: It's Margaret, is that right?

[0:22:40] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[0:22:41] Trustee Fast: Wendy, sorry.

[0:22:43] Trustee Fast: So I'm here to provide information about the work

[0:22:48] Voice 6: that the APC is doing,

[0:22:49] Voice 6: not only for the trustees,

[0:22:51] Voice 6: but also for those who are here for

[0:22:54] Voice 4: this meeting.

[0:22:56] Voice 4: The referral that we received,

[0:22:58] Voice 4: we have

[0:22:59] Voice 6: completed in draft stage

[0:23:01] Voice 6: our recommendations to the local trustees

[0:23:04] Voice 6: about First Nations references in the OCP.

[0:23:08] Voice 6: At our next meeting on October 29th,

[0:23:10] Voice 6: we will be reviewing that draft

[0:23:12] Voice 6: and then moving on to the referral for housing

[0:23:16] Voice 6: to review in the OCP and

[0:23:20] Trustee Fast: in the land use bylaws and statements around housing and we are including in that the short-term rentals which is part of our referral.

[0:23:31] Trustee Fast: I wanted to let the community know that because these meetings are open. We have invited particular members of organizations with interest in this and they will be participating as resource people.

[0:23:45] Trustee Fast: Speaking as a member of the APC and a member of this community, what I want to say to us all

[0:23:52] Voice 6: is that housing needs on this island are not just for short-term seasonal workers.

[0:24:00] Voice 6: Housing needs on this island, as Grant has already alluded, include housing for people who work here and wish to live

[0:24:08] Trustee Fast: here in appropriate settings.

[0:24:10] Trustee Fast: housing includes those people who are living in marginally incomplete homes, homes with serious

[0:24:19] Trustee Fast: repair issues, what is referred to in planning as insecure housing. In other words, the next

[0:24:26] Trustee Fast: storm could take the roof off.

[0:24:28] Voice 6: Housing also includes those people who come here to do the

[0:24:32] Voice 6: work in this community, who are committed to this community, and who are excluded from the

[0:24:38] Voice 6: current real estate market because of rising prices. Housing on this island is

[0:24:44] Voice 6: for people who wish to live on this island, participate in this community and

[0:24:49] Voice 6: be an enduring presence here and that is the perspective that guides me as an

[0:24:56] Trustee Fast: individual in this community. Thank you. Thank you very much Wendy and for

[0:25:02] Trustee Fast: the update about the apc that's great did you have a question one

[0:25:07] Voice 18: more i'd just like to could

[0:25:09] Voice 18: you please thank everybody on the apc for all the hard work you're doing it's really good but

[0:25:13] Voice 18: it's really

[0:25:13] Voice 7: it's really helpful

[0:25:15] Voice 18: it's very helpful that's really the power of the local trust

[0:25:20] Voice 18: committee is what we really get from the community and how critical what your view is thank you well

[0:25:25] Trustee Fast: it's a three-part thing right it's the elected folks it's the professional expertise of the

[0:25:30] Trustee Fast: the staff who do all the hard labor, and the community and the committees and the public participation.

[0:25:37] Trustee Fast: It's all good.

[0:25:38] Trustee Fast: Okay, next up.

[0:25:40] Trustee Fast: Can you say your name and your connection to me?

[0:25:43] Voice 17: I'm Joanne Obert-Plan.

[0:25:44] Voice 17: I'm also a member of the APC, but I'm actually not here to speak as a member of the APC.

[0:25:50] Voice 17: I do have a letter or an email that's in the agenda package in support of extending the special resolution

[0:25:57] Voice 17: resolution to protect residents that are living in non-conforming or illegal housing. So I'd

[0:26:05] Voice 17: like to just verbally re-support that. Also, I have another comment about the Bradstaff

[0:26:16] Voice 17: lands application, as it is in the agenda. I have to admit that I might have missed this

[0:26:24] Voice 17: this point. My understanding from reading the agenda package was that they were providing

[0:26:29] Voice 17: housing in the winter to essential staff only. I just wanted to advise that they have expanded

[0:26:38] Voice 17: that this winter. I know of one individual for sure that is receiving housing there that

[0:26:44] Voice 17: is not essential staff. So I don't know if that is of use or of interest.

[0:26:50] Voice 17: Thank you.

[0:26:51] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Very good. And next, go ahead. I'll just

[0:26:56] Trustee Fast: work my way across. Go ahead.

[0:26:58] Voice 1: I'd just like to...

[0:26:59] Trustee Fast: Oh, can you say

[0:26:59] Trustee Fast: your name and your connection?

[0:27:01] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:27:01] Trustee Fast: I

[0:27:02] Voice 1: would like to address the housing issue, just very briefly. We've made efforts. East

[0:27:11] Voice 1: Slides made all these runs. They've offered the sun, the moon, and thrown in some stars,

[0:27:16] Voice 1: and nobody's buying it. Most of what Canada considers affordable housing is a

[0:27:24] Voice 1: trailer park. We used to have Phil Ross's land where people go park their little

[0:27:30] Voice 1: caravan and do their thing and didn't require a 99-year commitment, you know.

[0:27:36] Voice 1: It was, you could come for the summer and work or you could stay, you know.

[0:27:41] Voice 1: You know, something along those lines would, if we had a space for people to do their own small holding, their own small commitment, bring in their, you know, their caravan and have a place, right?

[0:28:04] Voice 1: It's that doable, and it's that affordable, and it's a realistic solution.

[0:28:12] Voice 1: but what I'm really here about is understand that the official community plan is there's

[0:28:20] Voice 1: considering altering it regarding lot sizes subdivision of properties can I speak to that

[0:28:29] Voice 1: now well

[0:28:30] Trustee Fast: are you an owner are you an applicant or have you sent us a letter and applied to have

[0:28:36] Trustee Fast: a change to your property no okay

[0:28:39] Trustee Fast: speak

[0:28:39] Voice 1: ahead okay because i'm fundamentally opposed to the concept

[0:28:44] Voice 1: um back before there wasn't i only got here in 71 but before there was a official community plan

[0:28:55] Voice 1: um you know anderson road got developed right and then the old uh the pat farm at sandpiper

[0:29:06] Voice 1: or got purchased by a Nanaimo realty who chopped it up into half acre lots and then all of a sudden

[0:29:12] Voice 1: and they were they're sold as um recreational you know come tent here for the summer kind of thing

[0:29:23] Voice 1: I remember when they cost $25 down to $25 a month to buy any lot you wanted right

[0:29:31] Voice 1: uh

[0:29:32] Trustee Fast: what did can you what is it that you're opposed to I missed that I'm

[0:29:35] Voice 1: opposed to subdivision

[0:29:36] Voice 1: and then the galleon happened

[0:29:39] Voice 1: and the island panicked

[0:29:42] Voice 1: they went

[0:29:43] Voice 15: oh my god this whole place

[0:29:44] Voice 15: can get chopped up into half acre lots

[0:29:46] Voice 15: because we have no control

[0:29:48] Voice 1: so an official community

[0:29:49] Voice 1: planning got put in place

[0:29:50] Voice 1: a moratorium on subdivision

[0:29:52] Voice 1: got put in place

[0:29:53] Voice 1: minimum 10 acre divisible yada yada

[0:29:57] Voice 1: and we've

[0:29:58] Voice 1: we've

[0:30:00] Voice 1: with that. Now, virtually every single lot in those subdivisions now has a house on it.

[0:30:05] Voice 1: And there's a lot of short-term rentals going on, so we have a huge influx of people in the summer.

[0:30:14] Voice 1: And just when our elders' worst nightmare is manifesting, people want to undo the moratorium

[0:30:25] Voice 1: and start dividing up the land more. Well, more land means more people, means more

[0:30:31] Voice 1: vacation. Yeah, we just went through maybe the most extreme summer ever. And in light of that,

[0:30:44] Voice 1: why would we do this to ourselves? There's a big

[0:30:48] Voice 1: chain for a few people, right? And the

[0:30:55] Voice 1: economic enhancement has stated that they want to double Harvey's population.

[0:31:01] Voice 1: population. I was at the meeting. I spoke to him. And the problem was, oh, if we double

[0:31:08] Voice 15: our population,

[0:31:09] Voice 2: we're going to

[0:31:09] Voice 1: create problems around sewage and water. I said, I know how

[0:31:15] Voice 1: to fix that. Just don't do it. Right? So someone said, oh, if we had double the population,

[0:31:24] Voice 1: we could have a year-round cafe. And I said, move to where they have a year-round cafe.

[0:31:29] Voice 1: thing is that why you came here we need to keep in mind why we came to hornby what this place

[0:31:35] Voice 1: means to us and i think you could gain the whole world and sell your soul and have nothing thank

[0:31:42] Trustee Fast: you very much and i think if i can point to uh the part of our agenda that's called number nine

[0:31:50] Trustee Fast: when you listen to the staff report for the minimum area average lot area amendments project

[0:31:57] Trustee Fast: project um I think you'll be reassured and uh but um stand by I

[0:32:03] Voice 1: would very like to very much like

[0:32:05] Voice 1: to hear um exactly what's being proposed that's

[0:32:09] Trustee Fast: where you that's that's when you'll hear it and

[0:32:11] Trustee Fast: according to our um schedule that that meeting starts at 12 25. so you could even go away and

[0:32:18] Trustee Fast: come back and be sure that we're going to start at 12 25.

[0:32:22] Voice 18: okay if

[0:32:23] Trustee Fast: you want go ahead can I assure

[0:32:26] Voice 18: I don't think anybody's envisioning Galleon or Sandpiper subdivision again, not even a remote . . .

[0:32:32] Voice 1: No, no, I'm just saying, how we got here, how

[0:32:35] Voice 1: we . . .

[0:32:35] Voice 1: No, no, it's

[0:32:36] Voice 18: not that . . .

[0:32:36] Voice 1: Instead of enough's enough, isn't it?

[0:32:38] Voice 1: Yeah,

[0:32:38] Voice 18: Nathan, I got that. I

[0:32:39] Voice 1: got that. Let me finish, okay?

[0:32:40] Voice 18: Sure.

[0:32:40] Voice 18: So, last point, go on. The second, what you're saying, there'll be two ways you can explore . . .

[0:32:46] Voice 18: well, three, really, to express that.

[0:32:47] Voice 18: Express that to the ATC in that discussion around the OCP and the languages bylaws. That's one place.

[0:32:53] Voice 18: And before we do anything, there'll be community meetings on these things to talk about it,

[0:32:59] Voice 18: about what does the community think about it, and so those are the ways to express that.

[0:33:04] Voice 18: I mean, it's good you're doing it here, but if you want to, you can do it over at the EPC,

[0:33:09] Voice 18: and then you'll later on be able to do it there, and it's going to come out as Suhan pointed out.

[0:33:13] Voice 18: So I think you're well covered.

[0:33:15] Trustee Fast: But this is great that you're speaking up, and I think this is part of what we wanted to do

[0:33:20] Trustee Fast: with an in-person meeting was give people the chance to to speak and this is terrific and I'm

[0:33:27] Trustee Fast: going to I've got a person up here wanted to speak and then I'll come to you sir go ahead I'm sorry

[0:33:34] Trustee Fast: I forget names please introduce

[0:33:36] Voice 4: yourself I know you

[0:33:37] Trustee Fast: my name is Jan Kennedy right and a couple of

[0:33:41] Trustee Fast: things one I want to speak in support of the deferment of bylaw enforcement against the

[0:33:47] Trustee Fast: at this time. The other thing I just want to give a personal observation

[0:33:54] Voice 4: and opinion

[0:33:55] Voice 4: in reading the Hormis Housing Coalition letter. First of all, when I look at the participating

[0:34:02] Voice 4: members, it seems heavily weighted with commercial interests.

[0:34:07] Trustee Fast: What strikes me is if we had that

[0:34:11] Trustee Fast: number of commercial interests, say, as

[0:34:13] Voice 4: building contractors who were kind of in their waiting

[0:34:17] Voice 4: for a contract so when I see

[0:34:20] Trustee Fast: there's quite a bit of commercial interest there

[0:34:23] Trustee Fast: I know that people wear different hats in a small community but I just need to

[0:34:29] Trustee Fast: put out that that kind of strikes me I'd like to see as participating members

[0:34:35] Trustee Fast: more of the people in need of housing I think they're the ones that we really

[0:34:40] Trustee Fast: need to hear from. Also, when I

[0:34:45] Voice 4: look at this and I see the list of items for discussion,

[0:34:51] Voice 4: there's an elephant in the room, and it's not on here, and that is the limitation of

[0:34:55] Voice 4: the number of short-term vacation rentals. That is really covered in the letter from

[0:35:01] Voice 4: the Hornby Housing Society, and they really speak, and I'm so appreciative

[0:35:07] Trustee Fast: of the detail

[0:35:08] Trustee Fast: that they've gone into, the research that they've made that shows the issues here, with

[0:35:14] Trustee Fast: the number of people, how tenuous housing is for people here, given incomes, given the

[0:35:20] Trustee Fast: actual incomes

[0:35:21] Voice 4: of many, many people here. So I feel that in the letter from the Horsey

[0:35:27] Voice 4: Hornby Housing Coalition, we all know, and they have highlighted it, that the Hornby

[0:35:35] Voice 4: people have highlighted, not all horny people, but the Housing Society has highlighted the

[0:35:43] Voice 4: fact that short-term vacation rentals affect our housing stock and have them now for, I

[0:35:49] Voice 4: would say, all of the 40 years that I've lived here. And yet, nothing is written in this

[0:35:55] Voice 4: from this group, the Housing Coalition, nothing is

[0:36:01] Trustee Fast: there as looking at that. So I just want

[0:36:04] Trustee Fast: to put so much that that's my observation and i will be helpful thank you thank you very much jan

[0:36:11] Trustee Fast: okay i think uh um now this is very helpful did you want to speak no okay anybody else like to

[0:36:19] Trustee Fast: speak because coming up next is the uh hornby housing coalition uh i believe yeah i would like

[0:36:28] Voice 12: to speak okay

[0:36:29] Trustee Fast: could you just pull your hands up

[0:36:30] Voice 12: pardon me pull

[0:36:33] Trustee Fast: your mask up can you speak through

[0:36:34] Trustee Fast: My

[0:36:35] Voice 12: name is Ryan May. I've lived here for 27 years now. I've witnessed every summer a dramatic

[0:36:44] Voice 12: influx of residents that weren't many people. I've been witnessing ongoingly the conversation

[0:36:50] Voice 12: about the need for housing, for lower income housing, and it hasn't changed in the six

[0:36:56] Voice 12: years I've been here, 27 years, nothing's happened to it. I was really interested in

[0:37:01] Voice 12: the ISLA proposal when I first got here, it hasn't developed, and I wonder, well, why

[0:37:05] Voice 12: not?

[0:37:05] Voice 12: And it might not be practical.

[0:37:07] Voice 12: So when things don't happen, when things do happen, you can see that they happen, and

[0:37:11] Voice 12: so it's happening, and it's practical, you can assume that this is the way it is, and

[0:37:14] Voice 12: when things don't happen, well, then they don't happen.

[0:37:16] Voice 12: So with respect to the proposal to continue the, I'm not sure of the wording of it, but

[0:37:25] Voice 12: the illegal housing. I think that rather than condone, disallow illegal housing, we should

[0:37:34] Voice 12: encourage the usage of properties that are already developed on Hornby. If a need for

[0:37:40] Voice 12: smaller or more economically feasible housing for people to live on Hornby is there, then

[0:37:44] Voice 12: why don't we address the already currently developed land areas and add housing as appropriate

[0:37:49] Voice 12: where appropriate when appropriate on those properties. I would imagine you could easily

[0:37:54] Voice 12: find of the some, what, how many hundreds of houses that are vacant most of the year,

[0:37:59] Voice 12: I'm sure you could find 10% of them that would be interested in putting, perhaps, hosting

[0:38:03] Voice 12: a caravan, you know, really ecologically savvy, sustainable, avant-garde, and then you use

[0:38:10] Voice 12: existing developed landscape and don't impact the beautiful ecosystems and rural feel of

[0:38:16] Voice 12: the island.

[0:38:16] Voice 12: I don't think there's any need to further densify undeveloped land.

[0:38:20] Voice 12: I think it's we'd be smarter to use our development better

[0:38:25] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much

[0:38:27] Voice 18: Mr. Spahn Ryan that was one of the key elements of this housing coalition consider. That's a short term

[0:38:34] Voice 18: It's already there. It's already existing zoning. So how can we make that work?

[0:38:40] Voice 18: So I think that's being discussed there and again, it'll come up at the APC deliberations

[0:38:54] Voice 5: I

[0:38:55] Trustee Fast: don't have sexy on the agenda, so we're just going to move on.

[0:38:59] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[0:39:00] Trustee Fast: Brian.

[0:39:02] Voice 5: Can I say something?

[0:39:03] Voice 20: Brian?

[0:39:04] Voice 20: Brian.

[0:39:04] Voice 20: Oh, thank you.

[0:39:05] Voice 20: Sorry, I missed that.

[0:39:06] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Alex.

[0:39:07] Trustee Fast: I

[0:39:07] Voice 20: just want to say that I have been in discussions with a community member who has a really terrific

[0:39:11] Voice 20: perfect idea for housing on property that had to be rezoned. So there's lots of things

[0:39:17] Voice 20: that are bubbling out there and I hope to see some going a little faster. I've talked

[0:39:22] Voice 20: to planners to help me. The process is a lot faster, the application is faster in terms

[0:39:27] Voice 20: of facility if it's to do with the community, asset in terms of housing. So we are looking

[0:39:32] Voice 20: into that for sure. And I think it's great to see that there aren't people in the community

[0:39:35] Voice 20: that are stepping forward to come up with some creative, sexy ideas.

[0:39:42] Voice 20: Thank

[0:39:42] Trustee Fast: you. Okay. Anybody else like to speak? All right. Well, then we're at the, thank you very

[0:39:49] Trustee Fast: much, everybody, for your input. That's great. And Heather? I'm trying to ask about temperature.

[0:39:54] Trustee Fast: Oh, yes.

[0:39:55] Voice 3: I'm getting a little cold. Oh, you're

[0:39:56] Trustee Fast: by the door.

[0:39:59] Voice 3: I'm having like a barbie dinner. Yes.

[0:40:02] Trustee Fast: Not enough layers.

[0:40:09] Trustee Fast: Let's just do a little.

[0:40:20] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you, Alex. Okay, and now on the agenda, we've got a delegation from the

[0:40:30] Trustee Fast: Horses Housing Coalition, and who's speaking to that today? Anybody know?

[0:40:36] Voice 20: Are we at the right time? I

[0:40:38] Trustee Fast: thought it was Catherine Rowan and Karen Ross, wasn't it?

[0:40:42] Voice 20: What time is it on the agenda? Is it early? Well,

[0:40:45] Trustee Fast: the agenda has changed a couple times,

[0:40:48] Trustee Fast: so it's possible if they come later let's let them speak then because it's

[0:40:54] Trustee Fast: time that it's on the agenda that's in front of me but there was an earlier

[0:40:56] Trustee Fast: version so perhaps as

[0:40:58] Voice 2: I'll be gone and I'm part of this group I'm happy to say

[0:41:01] Voice 2: two sentences please

[0:41:02] Trustee Fast: go ahead which

[0:41:03] Voice 2: is I think for

[0:41:07] Voice 13: me just from a local

[0:41:08] Voice 13: government perspective the islands trust did a great job in 2018 providing a

[0:41:13] Voice 13: housing needs assessment for every island in the trust jurisdiction on the island it identified

[0:41:20] Voice 13: a need for 100 120 non-market housing units so that people who come here and want to be able to

[0:41:30] Voice 13: afford here in our context can live here um it's a huge gap so what so what the coalition i think

[0:41:38] Voice 13: unless one person is asking itself is there's probably a range of strategies

[0:41:42] Voice 13: that are needed, including the OCP, including consideration of things like trailer parks,

[0:41:48] Voice 13: including changes to the OCP, including all kinds of things.

[0:41:52] Voice 13: And no one strategy may get us to that full answer to resolve housing needs.

[0:42:01] Voice 13: So that's why I think there's a lot of people coming around it.

[0:42:04] Voice 13: And I appreciate Jan's comment about the STBR.

[0:42:08] Trustee Fast: And it's a multi-pronged approach.

[0:42:10] Voice 13: Multi-pronged approach.

[0:42:11] Voice 13: Like

[0:42:11] Trustee Fast: COVID, like fighting COVID or whatever.

[0:42:13] Trustee Fast: Big thorny problems.

[0:42:15] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much for that.

[0:42:16] Trustee Fast: Go ahead.

[0:42:17] Voice 18: One little point that's always in the back of everybody's mind,

[0:42:20] Voice 18: I'm sure it's always subject to sewer and water.

[0:42:25] Voice 18: Everything is subject to those two things because they're all so critical.

[0:42:29] Voice 18: For me, water is, everybody points out, more and more in the summer.

[0:42:32] Voice 18: It's not only the lack of water, it creates fire hazard and all those others.

[0:42:35] Voice 18: So that's all, the message is everywhere in the housing discussion.

[0:42:40] Voice 18: Okay. Could I

[0:42:42] Trustee Fast: add something as well? And the other persistent response, and I've heard it already from the coalition information that's going out, is that

[0:42:54] Voice 4: whatever multi-pronged approach we use and arrive at, and I think David made some interesting comments as well,

[0:43:01] Voice 4: we

[0:43:02] Voice 21: have we as a community have to be cautious that we

[0:43:06] Trustee Fast: are not enabling more short-term rentals

[0:43:09] Trustee Fast: for vacation purposes and and that is not i'm not hitting at the group that does i'm just saying it

[0:43:17] Trustee Fast: i hear constantly that's a great idea but how are you going to be sure that it actually addresses

[0:43:24] Trustee Fast: versus the 120 folk families who need this

[0:43:28] Trustee Fast: and doesn't become another vacation rental

[0:43:32] Trustee Fast: that's not available to the local people.

[0:43:34] Trustee Fast: So I just wanna keep raising that voice

[0:43:39] Trustee Fast: because I hear it.

[0:43:41] Trustee Fast: I hear it often whenever I talk about

[0:43:43] Trustee Fast: what are some strategies.

[0:43:45] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:43:46] Trustee Fast: As chair of the APC, I'm gonna allow you to speak.

[0:43:49] Trustee Fast: And I'm just gonna, sorry,

[0:43:50] Trustee Fast: I'm gonna keep the meeting moving here.

[0:43:52] Trustee Fast: I see some new people have come in at the back there. We've just finished the town hall portion. Are you with the Hornbeam Housing Coalition?

[0:44:00] Trustee Fast: No.

[0:44:01] Trustee Fast: Okay. Please come in and find a seat if you want. There's more room up here at the front. We're trying for masks, air, and distance, so by all means, find somewhere where you feel safe.

[0:44:14] Trustee Fast: safe okay good thank you and uh we're going to postpone then the rest of the cornby housing

[0:44:21] Trustee Fast: coalition discussion until uh because i think we've had an agenda mix-up or something like that

[0:44:27] Trustee Fast: and we're going to go on to the minutes from our uh july 16th meeting um these were this was held

[0:44:34] Trustee Fast: on zoom some of you may have been part of that i think you might have been and uh we've got draft

[0:44:41] Trustee Fast: minutes in front of us as part of the agenda um any changes to the minutes no no so by consent

[0:44:50] Trustee Fast: then we're going to adopt the minutes can i have thumbs up okay alex good

[0:44:57] Voice 20: yeah then we have some

[0:44:58] Voice 20: titles very good

[0:45:00] Trustee Fast: thank you very much so by consent then we're let's have a motion and do it all

[0:45:05] Trustee Fast: problem.

[0:45:06] Voice 18: Motion we adopt the minutes of whatever that date was. July

[0:45:09] Trustee Fast: 16, 2021. I'll second. Thank you.

[0:45:12] Trustee Fast: Any, uh, all in favor? Thank you. Very good. And, um, did you have something, Heather? No. Okay.

[0:45:23] Trustee Fast: All right, thank

[0:45:24] Trustee Fast: you. And then, uh, we're going to move on. Are you leaving, Alex?

[0:45:27] Trustee Fast: Oh, thank you very much.

[0:45:29] Trustee Fast: Oh, yeah. Thank you for the participation. Thanks, Daniel.

[0:45:35] Voice 4: later okay

[0:45:37] Trustee Fast: uh resolution 20 well this is nothing there advisory planning commission minutes we've

[0:45:42] Trustee Fast: got them in our agenda for um receipt and

[0:45:47] Voice 18: i don't think we

[0:45:47] Voice 18: need to do anything about chairs here

[0:45:49] Voice 18: we're going to talk about the zoom thing or not oh

[0:45:51] Trustee Fast: yes right let's do that now thank you very much

[0:45:53] Trustee Fast: grant you

[0:45:54] Voice 18: lost a couple people but okay

[0:45:56] Trustee Fast: well our next uh regular thank you our next uh regular

[0:46:00] Trustee Fast: meeting is scheduled for in person because that's what um the province is moving towards and that's

[0:46:07] Trustee Fast: where they want us to go towards um and we wanted to talk about this for december the 10th which is

[0:46:14] Trustee Fast: also getting to the weather issues and stuff for traveling but that's neither here nor there for

[0:46:19] Trustee Fast: folks on uh hornby um december 10th in-person meeting there may

[0:46:26] Voice 1: be a zoom

[0:46:27] Trustee Fast: option if we hold

[0:46:29] Trustee Fast: a special meeting, which leaves some of the minutes and the regular reports and stuff off,

[0:46:34] Trustee Fast: and we just deal with a few special topics, we could do it all on Zoom. I think that's what you

[0:46:40] Trustee Fast: said, Heather. So that's another option. And go ahead.

[0:46:45] Voice 18: Well, I want to hear what people hear,

[0:46:47] Voice 18: but I think there's advantages and disadvantages to Zoom. The advantages are, number one, staff

[0:46:53] Voice 18: and yourself don't have to travel. So I mean, there's that whole global warming use of fuel

[0:46:58] Voice 18: and all the rest of that stuff part of that and the

[0:47:00] Trustee Fast: staff times can be better used doing the work

[0:47:03] Trustee Fast: and

[0:47:03] Voice 18: yes the effectively efficient use of staff time heather's here so she's going to spend

[0:47:12] Voice 18: all day here rather than doing it at home is much more efficient so there's a number of advantages

[0:47:17] Voice 18: to the disadvantage you don't get to see people you don't get to do what human beings do is

[0:47:23] Voice 18: reading into what you know i can see all of you at the same time you're out of the zoo you only

[0:47:27] Voice 18: you see that. So that's the big limitation to it. So, you know, it goes both ways. But

[0:47:33] Voice 18: we have such a lousy internet connection. I know Wendy and others, even where I am on

[0:47:42] Voice 18: a good side, it still breaks in and goes out, you know, depending on how many people are

[0:47:46] Voice 18: watching Netflix or something, whether it's going to work or not, right? So I don't know.

[0:47:50] Voice 18: Yeah.

[0:47:51] Trustee Fast: You're looking for

[0:47:52] Trustee Fast: interest from, what do you think, Alex, before we come to people?

[0:47:57] Voice 20: You know, I agree with Grant. I thought maybe we could just rotate back and forth, you know, have one live and another Zoom, you know.

[0:48:06] Voice 5: I think we have to think about

[0:48:07] Voice 20: one at a time.

[0:48:07] Voice 20: I don't

[0:48:08] Voice 20: think about this thing, you know. I have to wear this until 3.30.

[0:48:12] Voice 20: I really have to wear this thing all the time at work.

[0:48:14] Trustee Fast: Right. I

[0:48:15] Trustee Fast: don't know if we can adjust our whole

[0:48:16] Trustee Fast: schedule, but one at a time we might be able to do it.

[0:48:18] Voice 20: I thought we could just go back and forth, you know, in terms of...

[0:48:21] Voice 20: Just

[0:48:22] Trustee Fast: before we hear from you, let's hear from the staff who've been researching this.

[0:48:25] Trustee Fast: Yeah, so kind of where we're at is

[0:48:28] Voice 3: that during COVID, the province allowed us to have electronic meetings regardless of what our local meeting procedures bylaws say.

[0:48:37] Voice 3: And now we're saying that no longer applies, but if you change your local bylaw, you can have as many electronic meetings as you want.

[0:48:47] Voice 3: So, the next step for our LTCs are to update the meeting procedures bylaws to allow for

[0:48:54] Voice 3: all current meetings, if you want.

[0:48:56] Voice 3: Those will probably come to you in the next few months to consider, and there's various

[0:49:02] Voice 3: scenarios.

[0:49:03] Voice 3: You know, you could allow for all the current meetings, if you want, or you might want to

[0:49:10] Voice 3: to codify, if you will, that a certain number of meetings

[0:49:14] Voice 3: have to be in person, that kind of thing.

[0:49:16] Voice 3: So those are going to be some actions

[0:49:18] Voice 3: that we have to consider with the meeting procedures by-law.

[0:49:24] Voice 3: The December 10th meeting can be electronic without a change

[0:49:30] Voice 3: to your meeting procedures by-law,

[0:49:31] Voice 3: because your current by-law allows special meetings

[0:49:34] Voice 3: to be electronic.

[0:49:36] Voice 3: But a special meeting presumably is not an all.

[0:49:39] Voice 3: You don't have all the things on your agenda that you normally do, and there likely would not be a town hall portion of it.

[0:49:47] Voice 3: So that's kind of the regulatory piece of it.

[0:49:50] Voice 3: The technological piece of it is the other piece and the staffing around the technology.

[0:49:56] Voice 3: Thus far during COVID, we've had our administrative staff running the Zoom meetings and scheduling them, and they had to attend through the entire meeting.

[0:50:06] Voice 3: name right. So they were setting aside tasks that they normally do in order to accommodate

[0:50:13] Voice 3: their Zoom scheme. Now that we're going into a new era, we can't sustainably rely on our

[0:50:21] Voice 3: administrative staff to run the Zoom meetings. And so we're trying to find new alternatives

[0:50:27] Voice 3: alternatives for that. The most administratively, the most difficult part is actually managing

[0:50:36] Voice 3: remote attendee who are coming in and out. So the town hall portion of any electronic

[0:50:42] Voice 3: meeting is actually the most staff heavy part of the meeting. If you have a meeting that

[0:50:49] Voice 3: is simply streamed but there's no public participation in the Zoom meeting, it's easier to staff

[0:50:56] Voice 3: And so that's one of the things that we also, as an organization, have to figure out is how do we staff these electronic meetings?

[0:51:06] Voice 3: So that's sort of the longer term.

[0:51:09] Voice 3: But just for the December 10th meeting, yeah, you could accommodate it by having a special meeting.

[0:51:16] Voice 3: But again, if you do that, we don't have a – we're not really set up to have people come in.

[0:51:22] Voice 3: in. An alternative to that is it's an electronic meeting in a venue where it can be streamed

[0:51:33] Voice 3: and people can come and maybe the trustees are there and they can talk to you and that,

[0:51:39] Voice 3: but staff are coming and electronic meeting. Thus far, the two venues that we've used on

[0:51:44] Voice 3: hundi this one and the community how long is that um don't have reliable wi-fi and so um

[0:51:53] Voice 3: bringing in staff remotely is the best part has been problematic for that reason so i don't know

[0:51:59] Voice 3: if that helps yeah but it's part of the background

[0:52:03] Trustee Fast: about what what uh what the province allows us to

[0:52:07] Trustee Fast: do because we're this is a creature of the province yeah well i just want to comment that

[0:52:10] Voice 20: But our higher meetings are excellent, you know, sometimes it's 60 people.

[0:52:14] Voice 20: Higher up?

[0:52:15] Voice 20: So I'm not in the rate payers association.

[0:52:17] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:52:17] Voice 20: But if they all do, you know, 60 sometimes plus people, they get to all participate as well.

[0:52:23] Voice 20: So we do have that capability on this island.

[0:52:26] Voice 20: So whether we just use, you know, a local person, I have been emphasizing,

[0:52:30] Voice 20: like, why not use a local person in terms of the technology part,

[0:52:34] Voice 20: so that they're not put on a staff member.

[0:52:36] Voice 20: But, you know, it is doable.

[0:52:39] Trustee Fast: Like a meeting recorder.

[0:52:40] Trustee Fast: Yeah. Well, I have here, I don't know if everybody can see it, but I've got a little Wi-Fi hub that I'm experimenting with here.

[0:52:48] Trustee Fast: And I know we've arranged for Wi-Fi with the venue. Or did we?

[0:52:54] Voice 19: Anyway, we're

[0:52:55] Trustee Fast: trying to find ways around all of this.

[0:52:58] Trustee Fast: But thank you very much. And did you want to invite comments from the people?

[0:53:03] Voice 7: We'll

[0:53:03] Trustee Fast: start over this side this time. Go ahead.

[0:53:05] Trustee Fast: My name is Jan Kennedy again. Thank you, Heather. I really appreciate everything you've said. That really gives me more of an idea of the background and what we're dealing with behind the scenes a bit.

[0:53:15] Trustee Fast: But for me, I guess one of the priorities is to see more local people in these meetings.

[0:53:24] Trustee Fast: And it seems to me we've seen that in our Hornby Island residents' meetings,

[0:53:31] Trustee Fast: that the number of people attending has gone up significantly since we've had Zoom.

[0:53:38] Trustee Fast: And I think that's what we want.

[0:53:40] Trustee Fast: want. And I know for myself, I mean, it's a big deal to give a whole day to come and

[0:53:46] Trustee Fast: sit in a meeting where you can register your opinion very little. It's really about observing

[0:53:52] Trustee Fast: the meeting taking place in front of you. And so I'm appreciating this meeting with

[0:53:58] Trustee Fast: the number of comments, and I've been speaking for the second time already. But those are

[0:54:03] Trustee Fast: my thoughts about it. I really would like us to see if we can come up with something

[0:54:07] Trustee Fast: thing so that we continue

[0:54:10] Voice 21: to increase the number of people attending and i think having a zoom

[0:54:14] Voice 21: aspect to that whether

[0:54:16] Trustee Fast: it's some way that

[0:54:17] Voice 21: we can have choice that each meeting can be both but i

[0:54:20] Voice 21: get

[0:54:20] Trustee Fast: your concerns about that um and you know the other

[0:54:24] Voice 21: methods that we might be able to have it so

[0:54:27] Trustee Fast: that people can input into a town hall portion from their home so that's those are my thoughts

[0:54:33] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:54:34] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:54:35] Voice 18: Margaret was now speaking.

[0:54:37] Trustee Fast: Oh, hi, Barb.

[0:54:38] Trustee Fast: Yep, don't worry.

[0:54:39] Trustee Fast: We're going to come to you in a second.

[0:54:41] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[0:54:41] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Margaret.

[0:54:43] Trustee Fast: Sorry, Whitney.

[0:54:44] Trustee Fast: Keep going.

[0:54:47] Trustee Fast: Margaret's a good name.

[0:54:49] Voice 19: I have

[0:54:49] Trustee Fast: several thoughts, and I want to start with my personal thought.

[0:54:53] Trustee Fast: A higher reading, which was a really important reading, I could not vote because

[0:54:59] Voice 21: at the moment the poll came up, I lost my connection.

[0:55:03] Voice 21: So, HIRA meetings where we see everyone and everyone's on video and voice is not going to work for many of us on this island.

[0:55:11] Voice 21: So, that's one thought. That's just personal. But, you know, if the community wants to go to electronic, I'll work something out.

[0:55:19] Voice 21: But it does disenfranchise many people on this island who

[0:55:24] Voice 6: do not have access to any of the devices we have steered about this way.

[0:55:28] Voice 6: And I want to remind us all that those people are part of our community.

[0:55:33] Trustee Fast: Second point is, we do not, in a venue, the people who call the meeting make the decisions about masks, not the people who own the venue.

[0:55:46] Trustee Fast: So, in fact, if this group

[0:55:48] Voice 6: has decided that they wanted to go to a venue where they could choose not to wear masks, socially distance, keep the, we could do that.

[0:55:57] Voice 6: So the fact that we're all wearing masks because this is the rule, it's the school district rule, if we have a school district event.

[0:56:06] Voice 6: So second point that I wanted to make.

[0:56:08] Voice 6: The third one is if we are going to go to electronic versions of this meeting, I think you're all lovely.

[0:56:15] Voice 6: And I'd love to see your faces, but I'd like to see everyone's faces.

[0:56:19] Voice 6: And the way that the Islands Trust local meetings are set up,

[0:56:24] Voice 4: the only faces I can see are the people who are the trustees and the chair

[0:56:30] Voice 6: and whoever is speaking.

[0:56:33] Voice 6: The rest of us are invisible, and we can't even see a participant list.

[0:56:38] Voice 6: I think that that affects our ability to

[0:56:41] Voice 21: know who's in the room, quite literally.

[0:56:43] Voice 21: Not so we can make rude remarks to them, or about them, at the co-op, but

[0:56:48] Trustee Fast: so we know who's here.

[0:56:51] Trustee Fast: So if we decide to go to electronic meetings or versions of electronic meetings, then I at least would like to have an opportunity to see

[0:57:01] Voice 21: who else is there, even when they're not speaking.

[0:57:05] Voice 21: Well, I can turn my

[0:57:06] Voice 6: video off and go and make my breakfast if I want to, not suggesting that.

[0:57:11] Voice 6: You know, it has to be always me sitting there trying to get my hair brushed.

[0:57:15] Voice 6: But that is a suggestion.

[0:57:18] Voice 6: The final one,

[0:57:19] Trustee Fast: though, is personal.

[0:57:20] Trustee Fast: I like to see people.

[0:57:22] Trustee Fast: I like to hear you breathe.

[0:57:24] Trustee Fast: I like to see movement.

[0:57:26] Trustee Fast: It's important to me as a communicator.

[0:57:29] Trustee Fast: But that also is personal.

[0:57:30] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:57:31] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, Wendy.

[0:57:34] Trustee Fast: And anybody else want to weigh in on this one?

[0:57:36] Trustee Fast: This is about live or Zoom or in person or composed or what's your preference?

[0:57:40] Trustee Fast: Go ahead.

[0:57:41] Voice 17: Yeah, I'm Joanne McSlam again.

[0:57:43] Voice 17: And I would like to suggest that exploring a hybrid process.

[0:57:55] Voice 17: And, you know, as a member of the APC, I feel quite committed to coming to trust meetings, but I also work.

[0:58:02] Voice 17: And so I'm here this morning, but I can't stay for the whole week, right, because I have to go to work.

[0:58:07] Voice 17: So if there was, when we get a fiber optics in place, which looks fairly probable, there will be, that will actually open up

[0:58:15] Voice 17: the technological aspects of it, and I know that's a year away, but maybe put that in your back pocket.

[0:58:21] Voice 17: Because I completely agree with Wendy as well. I actually prefer to be here, but I'm going to have to leave.

[0:58:28] Voice 17: So I'm going to miss half the meeting.

[0:58:30] Trustee Fast: and the point of this new gear here is recording it visually it's only recording us at this moment

[0:58:37] Trustee Fast: but if you might even see the camera move itself around occasionally in which case i've got to move

[0:58:43] Trustee Fast: it back but yeah it's we're we're taking the first step towards at least recording what happened at

[0:58:48] Trustee Fast: the front of the meeting so i can

[0:58:51] Trustee Fast: review that later but

[0:58:52] Voice 17: it is i mean the personal interaction

[0:58:53] Voice 17: into the room is really critical as well, too. So I'm kind of one foot in each camp.

[0:58:58] Voice 17: There's

[0:58:59] Trustee Fast: something about a live event, that's for sure, and it's not just entertainment.

[0:59:04] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you very much. Any more comments? Preferences? Because then we'll move on to

[0:59:10] Trustee Fast: the delegation.

[0:59:12] Trustee Fast: I

[0:59:13] Voice 6: have a preference over live meetings. Live meetings, I have a preference over live.

[0:59:18] Trustee Fast: And can you say your name?

[0:59:19] Voice 6: And tell us why.

[0:59:21] Voice 6: why? For the same reasons that Wendy says, you know, communications is much more than just words

[0:59:27] Voice 6: being said. Okay. And so it's better to read body languages and the rest of that that goes with it.

[0:59:32] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[0:59:33] Voice 6: Though the hybrid works for me too, like Joanne and if I'm at work. Right. And then I can

[0:59:38] Voice 6: still attend. But I do like to have the option of attending in person.

[0:59:43] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you. I think

[0:59:45] Trustee Fast: in general, we're probably going to move towards hybrids, but it depends also on what each island

[0:59:50] Trustee Fast: I was just going to say hybrid two.

[0:59:52] Trustee Fast: Okay, hybrid two.

[0:59:54] Trustee Fast: Anybody else want to weigh in on this topic?

[0:59:57] Trustee Fast: Types of meetings preferred?

[0:59:58] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:00:00] Trustee Fast: We are very

[1:00:02] Voice 3: sorry for being late.

[1:00:03] Voice 3: We were supposed to speak at the town hall.

[1:00:07] Trustee Fast: It's okay.

[1:00:07] Trustee Fast: No, no.

[1:00:08] Trustee Fast: Are you with Corby Housing Delegation?

[1:00:11] Voice 21: Yes, but

[1:00:11] Trustee Fast: we also want to speak at the town hall.

[1:00:13] Trustee Fast: Sorry, that part's gone, but you can speak during your delegation.

[1:00:18] Trustee Fast: Don't worry.

[1:00:19] Trustee Fast: And we're trying to get everybody's voices in today.

[1:00:22] Trustee Fast: I'm being grant flexible.

[1:00:28] Trustee Fast: How about that?

[1:00:29] Voice 15: Yeah.

[1:00:36] Trustee Fast: Well, I've also got, we've got lots of things to cover and all that,

[1:00:39] Trustee Fast: but I'm hoping, give me the five minutes when I get close to the, yeah, okay.

[1:00:43] Trustee Fast: We've got hard timelines, but not yet.

[1:00:48] Trustee Fast: So, and this is really helpful.

[1:00:50] Trustee Fast: So what do you think, trustees, about December the 8th?

[1:00:55] Trustee Fast: Sorry, Friday, December the 10th.

[1:00:58] Trustee Fast: It's your birthday.

[1:01:08] Trustee Fast: I

[1:01:08] Voice 18: think we should do it live, and if we can, I hope Zoom may do it, but I think we should

[1:01:16] Voice 18: call it live for all the reasons everybody said, but if you can, by that time it's, what,

[1:01:22] Voice 18: a couple months away yet?

[1:01:24] Voice 18: No, December the 10th.

[1:01:25] Voice 18: Technology, you know, I mean, I trust people, they're pretty brave people now, looking at

[1:01:29] Voice 18: I don't know how to do this, but they can do it so that some people can come in by Zoom.

[1:01:33] Voice 18: That would be good, too.

[1:01:35] Trustee Fast: Which people?

[1:01:37] Voice 18: Well, community people that can't come to the meeting but prefer to be at home.

[1:01:41] Voice 18: So

[1:01:41] Trustee Fast: if I can get the live stream part working.

[1:01:43] Voice 18: Yes.

[1:01:44] Voice 18: That's what you'd prefer.

[1:01:45] Voice 18: But

[1:01:45] Trustee Fast: I think we

[1:01:45] Voice 18: should fundamentally, but if we could do it.

[1:01:48] Voice 18: So why do we have, who made the rule we've got to wear these things?

[1:01:52] Voice 18: Have they been wrong?

[1:01:53] Trustee Fast: That's a provincial rule.

[1:01:54] Trustee Fast: The BC Center for Disease Control said that in these kinds of government-type meetings, masks shall be worn.

[1:02:02] Voice 18: Because

[1:02:03] Trustee Fast: we were in

[1:02:03] Voice 18: a meeting here just two days ago, and we did everything.

[1:02:07] Trustee Fast: The venue has a rule, too.

[1:02:08] Voice 18: Yeah, that was a different set of rules.

[1:02:10] Voice 18: All these rules are all rules.

[1:02:12] Voice 18: Good, I got it.

[1:02:13] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:02:14] Voice 20: Yeah, that's an email from Joy this morning.

[1:02:17] Voice 3: Go ahead.

[1:02:18] Voice 3: Yeah, I just wanted to say, and, you know, if you have a live meeting, a staff person has to be in attendance.

[1:02:26] Voice 3: They cannot attend a live grant day, so that's just an aspect of it.

[1:02:32] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[1:02:33] Trustee Fast: That means they can't be doing the work that we try and get them to do, you know, that we're requesting staff do and that we want to carry out.

[1:02:42] Trustee Fast: So that's another aspect of it, as you pointed out at the beginning, too.

[1:02:46] Trustee Fast: Okay, Grant prefers live meeting with live stream. What do you think?

[1:02:50] Voice 20: Yeah, I

[1:02:51] Voice 20: agree with everything that's been said regarding the live meetings.

[1:02:56] Voice 20: Okay.

[1:02:57] Voice 20: Yeah, that'd be nice, yeah. When we get the internet, we'll see.

[1:03:01] Voice 20: I mean, my internet's terrible, but if you turn the video off, it works.

[1:03:06] Trustee Fast: Well, we'll see what happens as a result of today.

[1:03:08] Trustee Fast: You know, the technology staff back at the Units Trust will be reviewing everything and how it all works.

[1:03:16] Trustee Fast: And

[1:03:16] Voice 20: then they'll say that, you know, staff, part of your job description is coming to meetings, too, right?

[1:03:20] Trustee Fast: Yep.

[1:03:20] Trustee Fast: Oh, yeah.

[1:03:21] Trustee Fast: Yep.

[1:03:22] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:03:23] Trustee Fast: So, 18.1, next regular meeting scheduled for Friday, December the 10th, Alex Allen's birthday, 10.30, and room to grow, 2000, well, this room.

[1:03:35] Trustee Fast: And we'll see how the technology, whether I've been able to advance it with everybody working on it.

[1:03:41] Trustee Fast: I just sort of have a sheet about which button to press.

[1:03:49] Trustee Fast: It's better because I have a chance of catching the last fairy that goes back so I can get

[1:03:54] Trustee Fast: home before 1 o'clock in the morning.

[1:03:57] Trustee Fast: So I asked for it to move up to 10.30 so I'm glad everybody's bearing with it.

[1:04:04] Trustee Fast: Okay so that's 18.1 then, it stays as it is there and let's move on then to the Hornby

[1:04:14] Trustee Fast: Housing Coalition delegation and we've got five minutes let's see who all here

[1:04:27] Trustee Fast: is from the Hornby Island Housing Coalition.

[1:04:29] Trustee Fast: I'm just going to do a little

[1:04:32] Voice 4: introduction because we're rather new we want the community to know what we're up to and then Catherine is going to speak more to what we hope to achieve.

[1:04:44] Trustee Fast: Okay, I think we've got you down for five minutes, but do you want to give them ten?

[1:04:48] Voice 4: Well, yeah, we'll see how long.

[1:04:51] Trustee Fast: Okay, let's aim for ten minutes if we can.

[1:04:54] Trustee Fast: And that's great.

[1:04:54] Trustee Fast: Please take it away.

[1:04:55] Trustee Fast: And say your name, too, so we can all know.

[1:04:58] Trustee Fast: My name's Barbara Baer, and I'm with the Hornby Island Housing Society.

[1:05:06] Voice 4: But right now I'm speaking for the coalition, or perhaps it's a network.

[1:05:12] Voice 4: We haven't quite made up our mind.

[1:05:14] Voice 4: what we actually are, but we've got a statement of purpose, and I thought I'd read that for your information to help introduce what we're trying to do.

[1:05:23] Voice 4: The Hornby Housing Coalition consists of an informal group of individuals who have a deep interest and knowledge of the challenges facing affordable housing on Hornby.

[1:05:34] Voice 4: Our purpose is to share information and ideas, identify obstacles, and find strategies to overcome those obstacles.

[1:05:44] Voice 4: At meetings, everyone speaks from their own knowledge and experience and not as a representative of an organization.

[1:05:51] Voice 4: Any consensus that is reached is of the individuals present and not of the organization to which they may belong.

[1:05:57] Voice 4: along. Some individuals may be present only to observe and do not join in the consensus

[1:06:03] Voice 4: decision. That said, this conversation has been very fruitful and inspiring so far, and

[1:06:09] Voice 4: we hope that it will continue to evolve. So we had to clarify that because there was a

[1:06:17] Voice 4: question of, you know, we had individuals from many different island organizations.

[1:06:22] Trustee Fast: It's been fabulous, the participation that's taken place. We've had two meetings so far,

[1:06:27] Trustee Fast: But it's been a great

[1:06:28] Voice 4: collection of ideas and observations about how to approach a very real, very serious affordable housing crisis on the island.

[1:06:42] Voice 4: So, yeah, we had to clarify what we were doing at that meeting.

[1:06:47] Voice 4: Were we speaking for our organization or were we speaking as

[1:06:50] Trustee Fast: individuals at that meeting?

[1:06:52] Trustee Fast: And that is what we are doing at this point.

[1:06:56] Trustee Fast: But we've made some, I think, big progress in

[1:07:00] Voice 4: two meetings, so I'm really very enthusiastic about it,

[1:07:04] Voice 6: and a lot of it

[1:07:05] Trustee Fast: does involve trust,

[1:07:08] Voice 4: policy, bylaws, zoning.

[1:07:12] Voice 4: So we'll be back to you, certainly, with requests, and Catherine can speak more to some of what we're doing.

[1:07:18] Trustee Fast: Thank

[1:07:18] Voice 7: you. Go ahead, Catherine.

[1:07:21] Voice 21: Hi, my name is Catherine Berman. I hope you can hear me through this muffled thing.

[1:07:25] Voice 21: Um, and Barbara, if I forget, go chip in, okay?

[1:07:30] Voice 21: Um, so during the last month, the network has started to meet weekly to attempt to find

[1:07:37] Voice 21: ways to address the affordable housing crisis here or not.

[1:07:40] Voice 21: I don't know if I can put it down a little bit so you can hear better?

[1:07:42] Voice 21: No, leave it up if you can.

[1:07:43] Voice 21: Thank you.

[1:07:44] Voice 21: Okay, I'm trying to speak really loudly.

[1:07:46] Voice 21: Yeah.

[1:07:47] Voice 21: So participants included people from the APC, the Residents and Right-Beings Association,

[1:07:52] Voice 21: the Community Economic Enhancement Corporation, the Hormone and Housing Society,

[1:07:56] Voice 21: as well as Grant Scott, our local trustee, and Daniel Arbour, our regional district representative.

[1:08:03] Voice 21: We know that new approaches will be required and that we will require a multi-pronged approach.

[1:08:10] Voice 21: We will need the help of both the regional district and especially of the Islands Trust.

[1:08:15] Voice 21: Our youth expressed strong support for Daniel Arbour's initiative to bring a request to

[1:08:20] Voice 21: the Colax Valley Regional District Board for a feasibility study for a housing service

[1:08:25] Voice 21: tax line.

[1:08:27] Voice 21: We have sent you a letter from the Horn Valley Housing Society to the CBRD board in support of this request.

[1:08:34] Voice 21: To make the housing service a reality, we will need the Islands Trust's support in ironing out details of governance,

[1:08:41] Voice 21: and we urge our local trustees and the Islands Trust staff to smooth the way for this really important initiative as much as they can.

[1:08:50] Voice 21: We have also identified some initial priorities where we hope the Islands Trust will be able to assist us.

[1:08:55] Voice 21: If more information is needed on any of these items, we would be glad to discuss them.

[1:09:02] Voice 21: Number one, we have an urgent request that the current moratorium on by-law enforcement on illegal dwellings be extended

[1:09:10] Voice 21: while our network takes steps to look into possibly legalizing changes to these dwellings through zoning.

[1:09:20] Voice 21: Number two, we request the Islands Trust staff support long-range planning.

[1:09:28] Voice 21: We have begun to identify crown land parcels that might possibly be suitable for a Housing Land Bay, and we request staff time to assist in compiling this inventory, as well as for the Trust to expedite rezoning of any of these properties after appropriate community consultation.

[1:09:45] Voice 21: patient. We ask the Islands Trust to consider how to streamline the processing and approval

[1:09:56] Voice 21: of any application that would be for our community housing needs, be they rentals, ownership,

[1:10:03] Voice 21: co-ops, single houses, communal buildings, service land, worker bunkhouses, mid-work

[1:10:09] Voice 21: buildings, senior assisted facilities, etc. Number four, we also request some staff support

[1:10:17] Voice 21: for our local APC as they consider possible policy and by-law changes

[1:10:21] Voice 21: designed to address our affordable housing emergency number five a new

[1:10:31] Voice 21: housing needs assessment for Hormis soon after the new consensus information is

[1:10:36] Voice 21: available to assist us in planning we would like to add housing to discussions for

[1:10:43] Voice 21: reconciliation with First Nations future planning of BC Ferries and any other

[1:10:47] Voice 21: agency that will need to be stakeholders in future housing needs and number seven

[1:10:54] Voice 21: to liaise with the Comox Valley Regional District to explore approval of alternate

[1:10:59] Voice 21: systems for servicing properties including the use of rainwater

[1:11:03] Voice 21: catchment and alternate septic systems. Participating members in the network

[1:11:09] Voice 21: were Islands Trust, Grant Scott, ABC, Vicki Bale, Joanna Ogletz-Lang, CTRE,

[1:11:14] Voice 21: Denzel Arbor, HIRA, Lynn Lemney, High Seek, Catherine Roman, Donna Brody, Karen Ross,

[1:11:21] Voice 21: Ruby Bogovsky, and Parniata Housing Society, Barbara Baird, Sadie Chizmeko, and April Lewis.

[1:11:30] Voice 21: Thank you. Go ahead.

[1:11:33] Voice 21: May I say also what I was going to say in the townhouse meeting?

[1:11:37] Voice 21: Well...

[1:11:38] Voice 21: It's quick, and it's just an information point.

[1:11:43] Trustee Fast: Has everything from the delegation been covered?

[1:11:47] Trustee Fast: Yeah, I think so.

[1:11:48] Voice 5: Do we need to speak in support of it

[1:11:50] Trustee Fast: as a public?

[1:11:52] Trustee Fast: Are you part of the Housing Coalition as well?

[1:11:54] Trustee Fast: Yes, I'm part of the Housing Coalition.

[1:11:55] Trustee Fast: Well, who all is in the network?

[1:11:57] Trustee Fast: Can you please put up your hand?

[1:11:58] Trustee Fast: Whoa, okay, thank you.

[1:12:00] Trustee Fast: That's helpful.

[1:12:01] Trustee Fast: I think that's all I need to know at this point.

[1:12:04] Trustee Fast: And I'm going to look at my agenda here going 11.40.

[1:12:09] Trustee Fast: We're supposed to be way down in other things,

[1:12:11] Trustee Fast: but perhaps, what's your pleasure?

[1:12:15] Voice 20: I think we should.

[1:12:15] Voice 20: We've already talked enough that she could have talked, so I think we should allow her.

[1:12:19] Voice 18: I think we clearly understand that everybody supports what Catherine said, so I don't really

[1:12:28] Voice 18: think we need more from individuals.

[1:12:31] Voice 21: Okay, this is one sentence I was going to say.

[1:12:34] Voice 18: Oh, that's fine, but I mean...

[1:12:35] Trustee Fast: Please go ahead, that's good.

[1:12:38] Voice 21: One of the solutions that we have identified involves a new zone,

[1:12:44] Voice 21: And when we get further along in our deliberations, we request that staff help us in creating this new zoning.

[1:12:57] Voice 21: A new zone. Okay.

[1:12:59] Voice 18: So that's a perfect thing to refer to the UPC in their discussions.

[1:13:03] Voice 18: That's what they're going through right now.

[1:13:06] Voice 21: Great. Thank you.

[1:13:08] Voice 21: Thank you.

[1:13:08] Voice 21: And we request that staff help the UPC.

[1:13:12] Voice 20: And this is what I think we were hearing earlier, but I alluded to you, but I didn't say who you were, regarding some creative ideas for housing, and it's been out of rezoning, and let's get the process played faster and with the help of staff, because it's a community amenity, you know, so thank you.

[1:13:35] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much, everybody.

[1:13:37] Trustee Fast: Thanks for that.

[1:13:37] Trustee Fast: and I'm glad this is all worked out and thanks for your comments and it's very helpful I think

[1:13:47] Trustee Fast: requesting more from staff is always a challenge because we share our staff with a bunch of other

[1:13:52] Trustee Fast: islands and of course it's all paid for by taxpayer dollars and you understand all that but

[1:13:58] Trustee Fast: I think your local trustees can help guide you towards how to bring something a request that

[1:14:06] Trustee Fast: that could be supported.

[1:14:08] Trustee Fast: So I'll start with Alex, go ahead.

[1:14:10] Voice 20: Yeah, I just want to add that I talked to Carmen Thiel,

[1:14:13] Voice 20: our legislative director, regarding the quorum

[1:14:16] Voice 20: or the housing, and in fact,

[1:14:18] Voice 20: I can't attend with Grant, apparently,

[1:14:20] Voice 20: because it could be something down the road,

[1:14:22] Voice 20: so, which is unfortunate, yeah.

[1:14:25] Voice 20: These are the rules of British Columbia.

[1:14:26] Trustee Fast: They say you can't have a quorum of a committee

[1:14:30] Trustee Fast: attend other meetings.

[1:14:31] Trustee Fast: But you can have these separately.

[1:14:32] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[1:14:32] Trustee Fast: At

[1:14:33] Voice 18: another time, yeah.

[1:14:34] Voice 18: Yeah, okay,

[1:14:35] Trustee Fast: go ahead, Matt.

[1:14:36] Trustee Fast: the

[1:14:37] Voice 18: staff issue is always the same it's always the same we know that every letter says you know

[1:14:44] Voice 18: there's more than so i think what we should suggest and now it's everyone how we do this

[1:14:50] Voice 18: this is so critical to hornby island and i know a lot of the other islands as well maybe what we

[1:14:54] Voice 18: need to do is get the trust to allocate some funds to hire a consultant who could come to support

[1:15:00] Voice 18: for the APC particularly, because I think the funnel to get the changes that everybody's

[1:15:08] Voice 18: talking about is to the APC, and that's where the suggested changes to the OCP and the bylaws

[1:15:14] Voice 18: will occur.

[1:15:15] Voice 18: That will get recommended to us, and then we can look at that and then take home public

[1:15:21] Voice 18: meetings and do whatever we need to do, and either change it or adopt it.

[1:15:25] Voice 18: So that's really where it needs to go, and that's why this coalition is good.

[1:15:32] Voice 18: Wendy's there, a number of EPC members are there.

[1:15:35] Voice 18: But maybe what we need to do, and Sue Allen's on the executive, and they've got their fingers on the loot.

[1:15:41] Voice 18: Sue Allen, could we ask you to take that back and maybe mention it to the executive?

[1:15:46] Voice 18: I

[1:15:46] Trustee Fast: always report on what happens.

[1:15:49] Trustee Fast: But just briefly, to do a formal budget request now is when the budgets are starting to come together for the next year.

[1:15:59] Trustee Fast: So I'm not sure where that would go, but it takes a long time to put budgets together and all that.

[1:16:06] Trustee Fast: But I will point to 17.1 in your agenda.

[1:16:09] Trustee Fast: I added this as an information item for you.

[1:16:12] Trustee Fast: for you. This is Islands Trust was awarded a grant from the province of BC for a development

[1:16:19] Trustee Fast: application service delivery and technology improvement program. And I'll just read you a

[1:16:23] Trustee Fast: little bit from the press release that went out. So you can find this at the islandstrust.bc.ca

[1:16:29] Trustee Fast: website. Here's from Chair Peter Luckham. We are thrilled to receive grant funding for the province

[1:16:35] Trustee Fast: of BC for our development application service delivery and technology improvement program.

[1:16:40] Trustee Fast: this program will lead to smoother more efficient more transparent land use

[1:16:44] Trustee Fast: application process that Peter Luckum chair of the on stress Council I'm also

[1:16:47] Trustee Fast: hopeful we'll be able to identify ways to support and fast-track planning for

[1:16:52] Trustee Fast: affordable housing so that's part of the thinking behind staff application for

[1:16:59] Trustee Fast: that grant and and hopefully it'll help just streamline everything so that

[1:17:04] Trustee Fast: people can apply online so more information is online that kind of thing

[1:17:08] Trustee Fast: I'm not sure exactly what will happen, but I wanted to have it in the agenda so you can look at that.

[1:17:14] Voice 18: It's $700,000, too. That's quite a bit of money, isn't it?

[1:17:24] Trustee Fast: $367,795.

[1:17:25] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:17:26] Voice 20: Can I ask

[1:17:26] Voice 20: a question, Grant?

[1:17:28] Voice 20: Trustee Scott?

[1:17:28] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[1:17:29] Voice 20: So what kind of consultant are you talking about?

[1:17:31] Voice 20: What kind of background does this consultant have?

[1:17:33] Voice 20: Well, there are planners.

[1:17:35] Voice 20: Because we might have somebody right in our community.

[1:17:36] Voice 20: There might

[1:17:37] Voice 18: be, but there are planners out there who provide these kinds of services.

[1:17:43] Voice 18: If there might be somebody on the island, obviously that's better, but if it's somebody we need to help the APC or, because the staff can't do it,

[1:17:53] Voice 18: can assist the APC and then work with the staff to provide that service.

[1:18:00] Voice 18: So, I hear Sadie

[1:18:02] Voice 20: is a planner, right? And is she involved? I know she's been in somewhere in Ontario, but can she get more involved and we can hire her or something?

[1:18:10] Voice 4: Sadie is working on her master's degree and her thesis is on affordability

[1:18:15] Trustee Fast: on the Gulf Islands, but she's not qualified as a planner.

[1:18:18] Voice 19: Okay.

[1:18:19] Trustee Fast: Yeah. And see, there's a whole bunch of other staffing issues, right? You can't...

[1:18:23] Trustee Fast: Islands Trust.

[1:18:24] Trustee Fast: Yeah, but we can't contract, and there's different ways to do all these kinds of things,

[1:18:30] Trustee Fast: and it depends on funding and grants and what direction we as trustees set.

[1:18:36] Trustee Fast: And we did, at the beginning of the term, just so everybody knows, oops, that's the wrong file,

[1:18:42] Trustee Fast: but we do have a strategic plan.

[1:18:47] Trustee Fast: So this is when we first came together as a newly elected council.

[1:18:52] Trustee Fast: We put our heads together.

[1:18:52] Trustee Fast: What are our priorities?

[1:18:54] Trustee Fast: What do we want to achieve this term?

[1:18:56] Trustee Fast: And that's what we're working towards.

[1:18:57] Trustee Fast: And in our September Trust Council agenda,

[1:19:02] Trustee Fast: you can see the update on all of those things

[1:19:06] Trustee Fast: and which things have been accomplished already.

[1:19:09] Trustee Fast: So the beginning of another term is when new projects

[1:19:15] Trustee Fast: would probably come on to this,

[1:19:17] Trustee Fast: because this was what we planned for the whole term.

[1:19:20] Trustee Fast: Is housing on your list?

[1:19:24] Trustee Fast: You're welcome to take a look.

[1:19:27] Trustee Fast: I can't remember.

[1:19:29] Trustee Fast: I think it is,

[1:19:30] Trustee Fast: yeah. Anyway, if you could give that back later. Thanks.

[1:19:35] Trustee Fast: Okay, I'm going to move on now, just about, because I just want a break for lunch at 11.55, right?

[1:19:44] Voice 20: I just received an email from Will, and it's for a meeting, it's the water stewardship.

[1:19:50] Voice 20: Something just came in, so I'm just going to say our name.

[1:19:53] Voice 20: Did

[1:19:53] Voice 22: you get that?

[1:19:55] Voice 20: The water, sorry, the water stooge should, my thing is, I need a mouse, it's not working

[1:20:08] Voice 20: very well.

[1:20:10] Voice 20: Yeah, it's supposed to be as the date of our meeting.

[1:20:13] Trustee Fast: Okay, well let's, I'll tell you what, what I'd like to do is take a break shortly so

[1:20:17] Trustee Fast: that we can come back together at 12.25 for the community information meeting, that's

[1:20:26] Trustee Fast: the minimum average lot area amendments project now and proposed by law number 166. one

[1:20:32] Voice 18: minor one

[1:20:33] Voice 18: into the minutes could you read how many people were in the delegation supporting

[1:20:41] Voice 18: but catherine ran out i think it was about eight people

[1:20:44] Voice 18: yeah

[1:20:46] Trustee Fast: just one two three four five six seven eight thank you more were coming but they thought it was

[1:20:54] Trustee Fast: going to be at 11 55. We had

[1:20:56] Voice 1: a different agenda this is part of the

[1:20:58] Trustee Fast: challenge that Heather was

[1:21:02] Trustee Fast: talking about when we've got administrative staff we're supposed to they've got all their regular

[1:21:05] Trustee Fast: tasks and then they've also got to adjust the templates because we changed the time for this

[1:21:12] Trustee Fast: and then they're also running all these other meetings online so if more people come in support

[1:21:20] Trustee Fast: I'm kind of keeping track as we go.

[1:21:22] Trustee Fast: Perfect.

[1:21:23] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:21:24] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:21:25] Voice 6: Sorry, I came here based on the agenda that I had

[1:21:29] Voice 6: so I could speak at the town hall session.

[1:21:31] Voice 6: And I feel like I only have just a very short thing to say.

[1:21:35] Voice 6: I'd like you to say it.

[1:21:36] Voice 6: If you could say it quickly, that would be great.

[1:21:37] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:21:38] Voice 6: So, Donna Tuelley,

[1:21:39] Voice 6: and I would like to speak in favor of the extended moratorium,

[1:21:43] Voice 6: but I would like the trust and the APC

[1:21:46] Voice 6: to work towards getting the people who need this moratorium

[1:21:50] Voice 6: to start working with the temporary use permits to make it legal

[1:21:53] Voice 6: so it just isn't an illegal thing that is being made okay

[1:21:57] Voice 6: so that we work with temporary use permits that will buy us the time

[1:22:00] Voice 6: to change the zoning rules.

[1:22:02] Voice 6: So I encourage temporary use permits for everybody who's using this moratorium.

[1:22:06] Voice 6: So I'm not sure how to go about that.

[1:22:08] Voice 6: I feel like there's an education needed in the community

[1:22:10] Voice 6: that this is what we're working towards.

[1:22:12] Voice 6: So the more people that take use of the temporary use permit,

[1:22:16] Voice 6: more likely we are to get the rules changed so um somehow i wanted to just say that and get it in

[1:22:21] Voice 6: the minutes that i think the tools are there already that we shouldn't be doing more torrents

[1:22:26] Voice 6: personally but i'm in favor because i'm in favor of housing right thank

[1:22:31] Trustee Fast: you a thorny question and

[1:22:33] Trustee Fast: uh thank you very much for being brief that's great and i'm i appreciate that there was a

[1:22:38] Trustee Fast: challenge with these agendas okay and um that's great thank you very much everybody i'm going to

[1:22:45] Trustee Fast: call a break now half our break so that we can check our systems have some lunch

[1:22:50] Trustee Fast: and we'll come back for the community information meeting and the public

[1:22:53] Trustee Fast: hearing 1225 and 1235 so thanks very much everybody call the meeting to order

[1:23:03] Trustee Fast: because I've been informed that I'm behind and that's correct we were

[1:23:08] Trustee Fast: supposed to start at 1225 yeah I think so sorry so we're gonna start the

[1:23:13] Trustee Fast: the community information meeting portion now.

[1:23:17] Trustee Fast: And I'm just gonna flip over to that part.

[1:23:21] Trustee Fast: Okay, so this is about a chance to hear from the planners

[1:23:27] Trustee Fast: about what the

[1:23:28] Trustee Fast: public hearing is about.

[1:23:33] Trustee Fast: And you're ready to go?

[1:23:34] Trustee Fast: Okay, and this is about minimum average lot size,

[1:23:38] Trustee Fast: area amendments, project man law,

[1:23:40] Trustee Fast: proposed bylaw number 166 to the OCP.

[1:23:43] Trustee Fast: take it away Heather yes sorry it's not in we don't have a presentation in here

[1:23:51] Trustee Fast: it's going to come from staff

[1:24:14] Voice 3: Okay,

[1:24:16] Voice 10: thanks so much.

[1:24:17] Voice 10: So far, so good.

[1:24:20] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:24:21] Voice 18: What page is it?

[1:24:23] Voice 10: So this is like

[1:24:24] Voice 10: the information

[1:24:27] Voice 10: for proposed

[1:24:28] Voice 10: in particular,

[1:24:31] Voice 10: which contains amendments

[1:24:33] Voice 10: to the official community plan.

[1:24:36] Voice 10: And the purpose of this

[1:24:37] Voice 10: is to be the

[1:24:39] Voice 10: question and answer portion

[1:24:40] Voice 10: for any of the public

[1:24:41] Voice 10: of the public about the proposed changes in the final questions of the LPC and staff,

[1:24:48] Voice 10: the CIM, and the next item is that the public hearing is a total opportunity for the public

[1:25:00] Voice 10: to see that they may need any questions they have through the CHIP somewhere, so any questions

[1:25:15] Voice 10: that are in the hall as well, any changes that will be consistent with the ability...

[1:26:36] Voice 10: Thank

[1:27:44] Trustee Fast: you very much, everybody.

[1:27:47] Trustee Fast: The planner.

[1:27:50] Trustee Fast: Maybe there were things you couldn't hear or parts of the sound that were unclear.

[1:27:56] Trustee Fast: And this is the time to ask that, right?

[1:27:58] Trustee Fast: So please go ahead.

[1:28:00] Trustee Fast: You can

[1:28:02] Voice 5: subdivide for a community benefit, but not subdivide for a developer to build more housing.

[1:28:11] Voice 5: But could a person subdivide a 10-acre piece, say, to build another house if it's a private person doing that?

[1:28:19] Voice 5: I don't know.

[1:28:20] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:28:22] Trustee Fast: Did you catch that, Reese?

[1:28:28] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:28:29] Trustee Fast: Heather's going to translate.

[1:28:30] Voice 3: Yeah, I'm going to attempt to answer.

[1:28:33] Voice 3: This bylaw doesn't affect any.

[1:28:35] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:28:36] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:28:37] Voice 3: Does that help?

[1:28:38] Voice 3: Yes.

[1:28:38] Voice 3: All right.

[1:28:40] Trustee Fast: Any other questions for the planner?

[1:28:43] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Wendy.

[1:28:44] Trustee Fast: Could I just have a really brief thumbnail of what the bylaw change is?

[1:28:49] Voice 6: I think there's some understanding.

[1:28:53] Voice 6: What

[1:28:53] Voice 3: specifically is this bylaw addressing?

[1:28:57] Voice 3: So, Reese, did you hear that question?

[1:29:00] Voice 3: Before you start...

[1:29:02] Voice 3: Can you hear

[1:29:02] Voice 10: me a little bit? Yeah, so...

[1:29:04] Voice 10: Can you do it?

[1:29:07] Voice 10: ...the official

[1:29:07] Voice 10: community plan.

[1:29:08] Voice 10: So, the official community plan

[1:29:13] Voice 10: for the land use bylaws

[1:29:14] Voice 10: ...

[1:30:00] Voice 10: going to plan for subdivisions

[1:30:02] Voice 10: and there's not any

[1:30:04] Voice 10: things we can do to change

[1:30:06] Voice 10: what the policy is, what the action is.

[1:30:10] Voice 10: Does that help? Yes.

[1:30:12] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Next.

[1:30:14] Trustee Fast: Yeah, sorry.

[1:30:15] Voice 6: Donna Jolie, I'm just looking for

[1:30:16] Voice 6: clarity. I thought you were changing the land use

[1:30:18] Voice 6: by law, not the community plan. I thought

[1:30:20] Voice 6: you were eliminating the reference to

[1:30:22] Voice 6: eight hectares for

[1:30:24] Voice 6: two houses. Is that correct?

[1:30:26] Voice 6: Did you hear that, Lise?

[1:30:29] Voice 10: Yes, so

[1:31:09] Voice 10: So

[1:31:18] Voice 6: the change to the community plan, will it affect anything else besides this one particular

[1:31:27] Voice 6: particular reference in the by-law about the e-tactors? Or it just makes it simpler for you in the forward, going forward?

[1:31:34] Voice 6: I'm confused as to why we're changing the community plan.

[1:31:51] Voice 18: Can I

[1:31:52] Voice 3: just follow up a little bit? One is it does not affect anything else.

[1:31:57] Voice 3: The specific things that are being changed in the OCP are about a land use designation

[1:32:01] Voice 3: that only applies to certain properties, and it's the same properties that the land use

[1:32:09] Voice 3: by-law changes affect, so it's specific to properties.

[1:32:12] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:32:12] Voice 3: Yeah.

[1:32:13] Voice 3: Greg?

[1:32:15] Voice 18: If I'm getting it right, the OCP doesn't have to have the actual numbers in it.

[1:32:23] Voice 18: That's right.

[1:32:24] Voice 18: By-laws do.

[1:32:25] Voice 18: Yes.

[1:32:25] Voice 18: So if we have them in, all we're doing is saying take them out of the OCP so that there's

[1:32:30] Voice 18: there's no confusion. The bylaws state it clearly. Is that it?

[1:32:35] Trustee Fast: That's right. Yeah. Well done.

[1:32:37] Trustee Fast: Crank it down.

[1:32:38] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you, Grant.

[1:32:40] Voice 18: Well, no, I was clarifying it for me as much as we could.

[1:32:44] Trustee Fast: Well, yeah. This is complex stuff. Any more questions for the planner? Go ahead.

[1:32:50] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:32:51] Voice 4: In Section VI, in the Ag Zone, the policy, the new policy, I guess, is number 1.5.3,

[1:33:05] Voice 4: and it talks about quite a lot of the uses for the second dwelling.

[1:33:11] Voice 4: Well, there was recently a news release from the Agricultural Land Commission

[1:33:16] Voice 4: that they are loosening up their policies on housing in the ALR.

[1:33:23] Voice 4: So this change to the community plan is going to be outdated on December 31st, 2021.

[1:33:34] Voice 4: However, my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong,

[1:33:39] Voice 4: is that the Agricultural Land Commission trumps the Islands Trust in this matter.

[1:33:46] Voice 4: I'm sorry. If it's, if it's, if what goes is what the Agricultural Land Commission's regulation states. Am I correct?

[1:34:02] Voice 3: Did you hear that, Reese?

[1:34:06] Voice 3: She's wondering if the new ALC regulations will make the changes to the agricultural part of this bylaw, if they're consistent or not.

[1:34:19] Voice 3: She's reading it as though they're going to be inconsistent.

[1:34:42] Voice 10: Thank

[1:35:13] Voice 18: you. The short answer is yes.

[1:35:19] Voice 6: My understanding, I work in real estate and this is really important to me, is that who's ever stricter trumps the other person.

[1:35:26] Voice 6: So if ours are stricter, it trumps the ALC. If the ALC is stricter, they trump us.

[1:35:31] Voice 6: So with that, to me, what Jan is asking there, we didn't get a straight answer on that, but this...

[1:35:36] Voice 6: Hang

[1:35:37] Trustee Fast: on, hang on, these are questions for the planners, not comments about the planners.

[1:35:41] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Appreciate it.

[1:35:45] Voice 3: Yeah. Did you hear that, Rhys? Did you hear that?

[1:35:55] Voice 10: No, sorry.

[1:35:56] Voice 3: The question was, her understanding is that if the local regulations are more strict,

[1:36:04] Voice 3: then the local regulations apply, that it's whoever has the strictest regulations

[1:36:10] Voice 3: that trumps the other. Is

[1:36:13] Voice 3: that your understanding?

[1:36:36] Voice 10: Okay, thanks.

[1:36:59] Trustee Fast: Okay, that's sort of a... I'm not sure how significant that point is.

[1:37:04] Trustee Fast: I'm wondering if we can move on to other questions,

[1:37:07] Trustee Fast: because I want to start the public hearing.

[1:37:10] Trustee Fast: And if

[1:37:11] Voice 18: I could just make one, Donna, all I've noticed is every time you try to do something and support something and it gets in the ALR, it's always the ALR that takes precedence.

[1:37:28] Voice 18: So that just seems to be the way it is.

[1:37:32] Voice 18: Now, maybe it's a moot point, but okay.

[1:37:38] Voice 3: Sorry, I'm not going to make this, but my take on it is you should probably look into it.

[1:37:45] Voice 3: it and and double check before we move on to the third reading once we get there so but

[1:37:51] Voice 20: i'll echo

[1:37:52] Voice 20: grant is that you know my three terms that every time we refer something approved it to the uh the

[1:37:59] Voice 20: real estate they said no to lots of things so they have they they're they're by us

[1:38:08] Voice 20: stronger than ours that's what i was thinking okay

[1:38:12] Trustee Fast: in this case

[1:38:14] Voice 4: they're going to be looser

[1:38:15] Voice 20: than yours? I

[1:38:18] Voice 20: don't know, because I thought it was just two houses.

[1:38:25] Trustee Fast: Okay, so I'm going

[1:38:26] Voice 20: to...

[1:38:28] Trustee Fast: I'm finding the correct version of this, that and the other thing.

[1:38:35] Trustee Fast: Sorry, I'm flipping around in here. I just would like to...

[1:38:42] Trustee Fast: it's typing it's typing

[1:38:44] Trustee Fast: yeah who's typing

[1:38:46] Trustee Fast: it's the planner that's okay um but we're a little

[1:38:52] Trustee Fast: bit past uh 12 35 and we're going to start the um public hearing so i'd just like to begin this

[1:38:57] Trustee Fast: this is the formal part and uh so i'm actually going to go through the script and then the

[1:39:03] Trustee Fast: planners will come in um for their part and i've got some numbers up here so that we can stick to

[1:39:08] Trustee Fast: the uh timing and just so you know um heather and i are going to try to be out of the hall here

[1:39:15] Trustee Fast: by quarter to three in order to catch fairies and that kind of thing so i'm trying to keep us on

[1:39:21] Trustee Fast: would you like your guests to be able to unmute their own lines

[1:39:24] Voice 9: if yes press one if no press two

[1:39:34] Voice 9: I

[1:39:35] Trustee Fast: would like to open the public hearing. This is the public hearing for proposed bylaw number 166

[1:39:47] Trustee Fast: is now open. I wish to welcome everybody in attendance and acknowledge that we're meeting

[1:39:51] Trustee Fast: in the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. My name is Sue Ellen Fast. I'm the

[1:39:55] Trustee Fast: chair of the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee and I'll just move this for the camera here

[1:39:59] Trustee Fast: because i'm reading people might be watching this we're still recording i would like to introduce

[1:40:04] Trustee Fast: the hornby island local trustees alex allen hello

[1:40:08] Voice 15: grant

[1:40:09] Trustee Fast: scott um and uh on the staff side of things

[1:40:15] Trustee Fast: we've got uh heather cower as a regional planning manager she's with us in the hall today on the

[1:40:20] Trustee Fast: telephone is planner island planner teresa mahiqua and uh recorder catherine voigt so back there

[1:40:28] Trustee Fast: There's a minute taker as well, taking professional minutes.

[1:40:34] Trustee Fast: And I'm hoping with this number of speakers that we can get through all of this fairly quickly.

[1:40:41] Trustee Fast: This public hearing is being convened pursuant to Section 465 of the Local Government Act of British Columbia

[1:40:48] Trustee Fast: in order to consider the following proposed bylaw.

[1:40:51] Trustee Fast: Proposed by-law number 166, cited as Hornby Island Official Community Plan 2014, Amendment number 1, 2021.

[1:40:59] Trustee Fast: All persons who believe that their interest in property is affected by the proposed by-laws will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written submissions, that little box, contained in the proposed by-laws.

[1:41:15] Trustee Fast: Those wishing to speak should commence their presentation by clearly stating their name.

[1:41:20] Trustee Fast: Members of the local trust committee may, if they wish, ask questions of you following your presentation.

[1:41:25] Trustee Fast: However, the main function of the local trust committee members is to listen to the views of the public.

[1:41:29] Trustee Fast: It's not the function of the committee members to debate the merits of the proposed bylaws with individual citizens.

[1:41:34] Trustee Fast: Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard, and none should feel discouraged from presenting his or her views.

[1:41:41] Trustee Fast: Their views.

[1:41:42] Trustee Fast: reviews. In considering the proposed by-law, the Local Trust Committee has received documents

[1:41:48] Trustee Fast: which may influence its decision. These documents are available for review during the hearing.

[1:41:54] Trustee Fast: The binder is in front of Heather there and on the website as indicated in the public

[1:42:02] Trustee Fast: hearing notice that you may have seen. Any person who wishes to present written submission

[1:42:10] Trustee Fast: to the local trust committee may do so and any written submissions must be

[1:42:14] Trustee Fast: received by the local trust committee before the close of the hearing so

[1:42:17] Trustee Fast: that's where that little box comes in your only opportunity to comment on the

[1:42:23] Trustee Fast: proposed bylaw is during this hearing as members of the local trust committee may

[1:42:26] Trustee Fast: not receive further submissions after the close of the hearing after this

[1:42:30] Trustee Fast: public hearing is concluded the local trust committee may without further

[1:42:33] Trustee Fast: notice make whatever decision whatever decision it deems proper with respect to

[1:42:38] Trustee Fast: the bylaw that are the subject of the public hearing and we've moved that up in the agenda

[1:42:44] Trustee Fast: so that it follows this public hearing now we're going to hand it over to um

[1:42:51] Trustee Fast: Heather Cower who's got an emergency plug-in or something there yes okay over to you planning

[1:42:57] Trustee Fast: manager Cower all right taking

[1:43:05] Voice 3: a second of addition on september 22nd and september 29th

[1:43:10] Voice 3: 2021 all notification requirements under the local government act have been completed there is

[1:43:16] Voice 3: a this is only okay there is a copy of the complete public hearing writer available during

[1:43:22] Voice 3: this public hearing and it's also located on the island trust website the purpose of the proposed

[1:43:28] Voice 3: biology is that the only one i was supposed to read i

[1:43:31] Trustee Fast: don't know it sounds there's some duplicates

[1:43:32] Voice 3: here but just keep going okay the purpose of proposed bylaw number 166 if adopted

[1:43:41] Voice 3: Number 167, by proposing multiple changes, sorry, 166, by proposing, I don't know, I'm sorry, I'm reading that wrong.

[1:43:51] Voice 3: The current bylaw is number 149.

[1:43:54] Voice 3: The amendment bylaw is 166.

[1:43:56] Voice 3: Okay, so the purpose of proposed bylaw number 166 is to amend the community plan bylaw number 149 by proposing multiple changes to the Hornby Island OCP

[1:44:09] Voice 3: to ensure consistency between the OCP policies and the Harley Island land use bylaw regulations with regard to minimum lot size and minimum average lot area in the various land use designations in the OCP.

[1:44:22] Voice 3: Proposed bylaw number 166 was referred to three provincial agencies, three regional agencies, one local press committee, and 13 first nations.

[1:44:32] Voice 3: The following comments and responses were received by the local press committee.

[1:44:36] Voice 3: Of the 13 First Nations referred, only Kalachin tribes, Wewakai Nation, and Wewakam Nation responded with no comment.

[1:44:46] Voice 3: No responses were received from the other 10 First Nations.

[1:44:50] Voice 3: Both the Denman Island Local Press Committee as well as Island Health responded to note their interests are unaffected by the bylaw,

[1:44:56] Voice 3: and no other agency responses were received.

[1:44:59] Voice 3: As of this morning, there have also been no public submissions received.

[1:45:03] Trustee Fast: so here's where we get into the public portion submissions can be made at any

[1:45:11] Trustee Fast: time during and until the close of this hearing today the written submission box

[1:45:16] Trustee Fast: is located next to the island planner and I invite members of the public who

[1:45:20] Trustee Fast: wish to speak to raise their hand or sign up no I'm not going to have a

[1:45:26] Trustee Fast: speaker's list please state your name prior to making any comments and after

[1:45:30] Trustee Fast: your presentation to the LTC the trustees may ask you questions but

[1:45:33] Trustee Fast: but they're primarily here to listen and will not give me issues with you.

[1:45:36] Trustee Fast: See, about the duplication.

[1:45:38] Trustee Fast: I will call three times for speakers before closing the hearing,

[1:45:41] Trustee Fast: so after we've had a chance to talk,

[1:45:44] Trustee Fast: after which point there can be no further written or oral submissions made.

[1:45:50] Trustee Fast: So this is mid-meeting.

[1:45:54] Trustee Fast: That's right.

[1:45:54] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:45:55] Trustee Fast: So that's where we're at.

[1:45:57] Trustee Fast: So I think these are, I've got numbers here, five minutes, four minutes,

[1:46:03] Trustee Fast: One minute for all the long speeches I'm sure we're anticipating today.

[1:46:10] Trustee Fast: And maybe I could invite anybody who would wish to speak to please state your name

[1:46:18] Trustee Fast: and then your comments about this proposed bylaw 166.

[1:46:25] Trustee Fast: Go ahead.

[1:46:26] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm in favor of this bylaw.

[1:46:30] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:46:32] Voice 20: And some names for her.

[1:46:34] Voice 20: Can Thayerlens express her favor of this bylaw as well,

[1:46:38] Voice 20: that she can attend this portion of the meeting?

[1:46:40] Voice 20: Do you have to leave?

[1:46:41] Voice 20: Yes, you can sit down.

[1:46:42] Voice 20: Okay.

[1:46:43] Trustee Fast: All right.

[1:46:44] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:46:45] Trustee Fast: Anybody else?

[1:46:46] Trustee Fast: I have to call three times.

[1:46:51] Trustee Fast: Well, I'm Eva Wetzel, and I'm also in favor.

[1:46:55] Trustee Fast: Thank you for your comment.

[1:46:59] Trustee Fast: Anybody else like to speak?

[1:47:01] Trustee Fast: Go ahead.

[1:47:01] Voice 4: Dan Bevin, I understand that the purpose of this is to clarify the official community plan that it's setting policies and is not setting actual numbers that can be enforced.

[1:47:22] Voice 4: So with the exception of my comment previously that the Agricultural Land Commission's new rulings, which will come into place on the 31st of December this year,

[1:47:46] Voice 4: I am in favor of this clarification of the official community plan.

[1:47:56] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much for your comment. Anybody else just wish to speak?

[1:48:05] Trustee Fast: I'm going to ask once for any more speakers, or I'm going to ask another

[1:48:12] Trustee Fast: time, second time, for more speakers.

[1:48:14] Trustee Fast: I'm supposed to wait 10 seconds, so if you've got something you want to write down, there's still time to get it in the box.

[1:48:19] Trustee Fast: and I'm

[1:48:23] Voice 7: going to ask a third time for any more speakers

[1:48:24] Trustee Fast: thank you please be

[1:48:36] Trustee Fast: advised that we are now in the post hearing post public hearing part of the

[1:48:40] Trustee Fast: legislative review of proposed bylaw number 166 the Hornby Island local trust

[1:48:46] Trustee Fast: committee can now receive can now no longer receive information pertaining to

[1:48:50] Trustee Fast: the proposed bylaws however you can still submit any questions you've got

[1:48:54] Trustee Fast: outstanding to the planner and the LTC the local trust committee may not

[1:49:00] Trustee Fast: give further readings to the bylaw or defeat the bylaw or make minor adjustments that do not

[1:49:06] Trustee Fast: affect the use or density without further notice or further hearings um of course we've got it in

[1:49:15] Trustee Fast: our agenda today so i guess that's notice okay so thank you everybody uh question go ahead there's

[1:49:23] Trustee Fast: a typo oh thank you

[1:49:26] Trustee Fast: what is it

[1:49:27] Voice 4: um on the first page of the bylaw it's number 1.3 it says is

[1:49:36] Voice 4: amended my making changes and that should be by making changes thank

[1:49:42] Trustee Fast: you i'm not going to call

[1:49:45] Trustee Fast: that input about that thank you that's fine yeah that's great that's the kind of thing things like

[1:49:50] Trustee Fast: back just pass it directly to the planner and then uh that's perfect thank you okay so then

[1:49:56] Trustee Fast: that's great that concludes the public hearing and now as at the beginning of the meeting we moved

[1:50:03] Trustee Fast: 12.1 um up into uh this session so i'm going to recall our regular local trust committee meeting

[1:50:12] Trustee Fast: to order and say thank you, Rhys, for her participation.

[1:50:17] Voice 3: And go ahead, Heather.

[1:50:19] Voice 3: She may want to answer any further questions that you have.

[1:50:23] Voice 3: That's great.

[1:50:23] Voice 3: Yes, you're right.

[1:50:24] Voice 3: So I need to unmute her, which may

[1:50:26] Trustee Fast: be weird.

[1:50:29] Trustee Fast: This gives me a chance to find the – see, I have to switch around on this gadget here,

[1:50:34] Trustee Fast: and I'm not sure if I'm going to –

[1:50:36] Trustee Fast: There

[1:50:36] Voice 9: are five features.

[1:50:37] Voice 9: Many of the guests have been unmuted.

[1:50:40] Voice 9: You will now rejoin the meeting.

[1:50:44] Voice 9: Hello.

[1:50:49] Trustee Fast: Thanks for coming back. And we're just about to reconvene here. When I can find, I may have lost my agenda. Oh well. I've got the paper copy.

[1:51:03] Trustee Fast: Part of it here. Okay. So this part of the meeting is to consider the staff report, which I have down on my agenda as being page 138. Did you find it? Good.

[1:51:15] Voice 20: But aren't we supposed to move these now, like these bylaws?

[1:51:20] Trustee Fast: That's what this part is about.

[1:51:21] Trustee Fast: Yeah, that's what we're doing.

[1:51:23] Trustee Fast: So as far as I understand it, although I have to admit I don't have the correct thing in front of me,

[1:51:29] Trustee Fast: so I may have to lean over and look over at Grant's shoulder or something like that,

[1:51:32] Trustee Fast: but I prefer that we just move ahead.

[1:51:35] Trustee Fast: So I'm going to turn it over to the planners for the staff report.

[1:51:40] Trustee Fast: Can you hear us, Reece?

[1:51:41] Trustee Fast: Yeah,

[1:51:42] Voice 10: but between the time of the question, I don't think that any future changes would

[1:51:55] have actually

[1:51:56] Voice 10: to do with that, because, like, over a month before...

[1:52:43] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Planner Mahigua.

[1:52:45] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:52:47] Trustee Fast: Yeah, I'll...

[1:52:48] Trustee Fast: You're on the trustees.

[1:52:52] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Greg.

[1:52:53] Trustee Fast: When

[1:52:54] Voice 18: we look at page 138, are we talking about number three?

[1:52:58] Voice 18: Because that's 166.

[1:53:00] Voice 18: The first three, the earlier ones are 167.

[1:53:03] Voice 18: Heather, are we looking at number three?

[1:53:06] Voice 3: So, I mean, the staff report is regarding both of these bylaws, both the

[1:53:11] Voice 3: OCD and the LGD.

[1:53:13] Voice 3: The one that we just had the public report was, yes, number three, 166.

[1:53:17] Voice 18: So I want to move number three.

[1:53:20] Trustee Fast: Well, let's hear the staff report, just so we're all on the same page.

[1:53:24] Trustee Fast: Probably because I need it, because I've lost my agenda.

[1:53:28] Trustee Fast: He's doing his finger thing.

[1:53:29] Trustee Fast: Okay, go ahead, Planner Mahiwa.

[1:53:31] Trustee Fast: Is that what you mean?

[1:53:33] Voice 18: Yes.

[1:53:33] Voice 18: All right.

[1:53:34] Trustee Fast: Cole's Notes version is fine.

[1:53:37] Voice 10: Yes.

[1:53:37] Voice 10: Basically, I was just going to highlight staff recommendations which are on page 138 of

[1:53:42] Voice 10: the agenda.

[1:53:43] Voice 10: Following the CIDM public hearing for 167.

[1:54:10] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[1:54:11] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:54:12] Trustee Fast: Questions for the Plata?

[1:54:13] Trustee Fast: Trustees?

[1:54:16] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:54:17] Trustee Fast: And can I ask why you're considering...

[1:54:20] Trustee Fast: Oh, yeah.

[1:54:21] Trustee Fast: Go ahead.

[1:54:22] Voice 18: I just thought we were done with 166.

[1:54:24] Voice 18: I didn't realize we were done with 167 as well.

[1:54:26] Voice 18: So we're going to work on that.

[1:54:28] Voice 18: approve all of these now?

[1:54:31] Trustee Fast: That's what's in front of us for approval today. I'm

[1:54:35] Voice 18: ready to move all five of them. Go ahead.

[1:54:38] Voice 18: Okay. Alex, are you okay with that? Yeah, I was going to say let's do it. Let's get her done. Okay, so I guess we do it one at a time, right?

[1:54:47] Right.

[1:54:48] Voice 18: But I move that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee By-law 167 cited as Hornby Island Managed By-law 2014, be Amendment Number 1, 2021, be read a third time.

[1:55:01] Voice 18: Second.

[1:55:03] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Any more discussion? Hearing none, I'll call the question. All those in favor? That passes unanimously.

[1:55:14] Trustee Fast: to sleep trust

[1:55:16] Voice 18: committee bylaw 167 cited as hornby island land use bylaw 2014 amendment

[1:55:23] Voice 18: number one 2021 before it to the secretary of the honest trust for pool by the executive committee

[1:55:30] Voice 18: second any more

[1:55:32] Voice 18: discussion all

[1:55:34] Trustee Fast: in favor okay thank you go

[1:55:38] Voice 18: ahead so breaking out a local

[1:55:40] Voice 18: trust committee bylaw 166 sighted this morning official community plan two or one four amendment

[1:55:46] Voice 18: number one 2021 be read a third time second any more discussion i'll

[1:55:53] Trustee Fast: call the question all those

[1:55:54] Trustee Fast: in favor uh i didn't see thank you good go ahead

[1:56:00] Voice 18: yeah we're in the island of the trust committee

[1:56:02] Voice 18: bylaw number one six excitedness for me on an official community plan two or one four i'm gonna

[1:56:08] Voice 18: to agree this time you don't have to put that in so amendment number one two 2021 be forwarded to

[1:56:14] Voice 18: the secretary of the island trust for approval by the island's trust executive committee second

[1:56:20] Trustee Fast: any more discussion then i'll call the question all those in favor

[1:56:25] Trustee Fast: thank you

[1:56:25] Voice 18: that following island's trust executive committee staff forward to hornby island local

[1:56:31] Voice 18: trust committee bylaw 166.

[1:56:34] Voice 18: 166 cited as

[1:56:35] Voice 18: Harmony Island Official Community Plan

[1:56:37] Voice 18: number 2014, amendment number

[1:56:39] Voice 18: 1-2021 to the

[1:56:41] Voice 18: Ministry of Municipal Affairs

[1:56:43] Voice 18: and Housing for approval.

[1:56:45] Voice 18: Second.

[1:56:46] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion?

[1:56:48] Trustee Fast: I'll call the question.

[1:56:50] Trustee Fast: All those in favor? Thank you.

[1:56:52] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously. So all of those

[1:56:54] Trustee Fast: motions passed unanimously

[1:56:56] Trustee Fast: and thank you

[1:56:58] Trustee Fast: very much everybody for your patience with this

[1:57:00] Trustee Fast: formal process, but that's

[1:57:02] Trustee Fast: what we need to do.

[1:57:04] Voice 18: Okay.

[1:57:05] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:57:10] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:57:11] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:57:12] Voice 20: Is that Teresa?

[1:57:14] Voice 20: You call her Reese?

[1:57:15] Voice 20: Okay.

[1:57:17] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[1:57:17] Trustee Fast: Yes, it's planner Teresa Mahiqua,

[1:57:21] Trustee Fast: and she's also called Risa.

[1:57:23] Trustee Fast: I

[1:57:23] Voice 20: thought it was a new planner,

[1:57:24] Voice 20: but that's a whole other side of it.

[1:57:25] Voice 20: The last thing

[1:57:26] Trustee Fast: is always confused.

[1:57:27] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[1:57:27] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:57:29] Trustee Fast: Thanks, everybody.

[1:57:29] Trustee Fast: So we're going to go back in the agenda now.

[1:57:32] Trustee Fast: Excuse me, can you ask what

[1:57:34] Voice 4: Ruth's last name is?

[1:57:36] Voice 4: It's Reese,

[1:57:36] Voice 3: R-E-E-S-E.

[1:57:39] Voice 3: Say it again, please.

[1:57:41] Voice 3: Her first name was Teresa, and we call her Reese, R-E-E-S-E.

[1:57:46] Voice 3: Is that the one that was speaking to us?

[1:57:48] Voice 3: It was, yep.

[1:57:49] Voice 3: And her last name is M-A-H-I-K-W-A.

[1:57:57] Voice 4: Mahiqua.

[1:57:58] Voice 4: Yep.

[1:57:58] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:58:00] Voice 4: Okay, thank you.

[1:58:01] Voice 4: All right.

[1:58:02] Voice 4: I was hearing it as Ruth.

[1:58:04] Voice 4: Yeah, yeah,

[1:58:04] Voice 4: sorry about that.

[1:58:05] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:58:06] Voice 4: Thanks,

[1:58:06] Trustee Fast: everybody, for bearing with the quality of the sound line and all that.

[1:58:10] Trustee Fast: It's challenging when you can't see people's mouths move, I'm realizing.

[1:58:14] Trustee Fast: Okay, so we're going to go back now in our agenda to 6.3,

[1:58:18] Trustee Fast: and this is the Advisory Planning Commission minutes, dated July 23rd.

[1:58:26] Trustee Fast: And this is just for receipt.

[1:58:29] Trustee Fast: But this is just so formally the work of the APC,

[1:58:33] Trustee Fast: and their meetings are recorded in our minutes

[1:58:37] Trustee Fast: and that we've received them.

[1:58:40] Trustee Fast: Sound good?

[1:58:41] Trustee Fast: I don't even think we need to pass a motion,

[1:58:43] Trustee Fast: but thank you Wendy and all your crew.

[1:58:44] Voice 20: Is there a date, Wendy, for your next meeting yet?

[1:58:47] Trustee Fast: October 29th, and we have also met in September.

[1:58:53] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[1:58:54] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[1:58:55] Trustee Fast: And then we're gonna go to 7.1, follow-up action list.

[1:58:59] Trustee Fast: list. And this is the... Can you

[1:59:03] Voice 20: say what page it is? 18.

[1:59:05] Trustee Fast: Yeah. And so I'm on to...

[1:59:10] Trustee Fast: Anybody got questions for the planner? Yes.

[1:59:14] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, please.

[1:59:17] Voice 20: How is number one doing?

[1:59:19] Voice 20: The watershed protection groundwater preservation? Where

[1:59:25] Voice 20: is that? Because I'm kind of confused

[1:59:27] Voice 20: about this one.

[1:59:29] Voice 3: You can have William follow up with you on that.

[1:59:32] Voice 3: And I can...

[1:59:33] Voice 3: I

[1:59:33] Voice 20: can just email him directly.

[1:59:37] Voice 20: Um...

[1:59:38] Voice 20: Oh!

[1:59:52] Voice 20: Um, page 24.

[1:59:55] Voice 20: Staff to work with trusted

[1:59:56] Voice 20: staff to advertise the possibility of team peace

[1:59:59] Voice 20: for seasonal workers.

[2:00:00] Voice 20: on work of accommodation?

[2:00:02] Voice 20: Is that still happening?

[2:00:04] Voice 20: I thought that was going to happen.

[2:00:05] Voice 20: Do you know what I'm talking about?

[2:00:13] Voice 3: We'll have to

[2:00:13] Voice 3: follow up with Trustee Schreiber

[2:00:15] Voice 3: on that.

[2:00:17] Voice 3: I think that while I

[2:00:19] Voice 3: were working with

[2:00:20] Voice 3: Trustee Scott, we'll have to follow up with him.

[2:00:23] Voice 3: Sorry about that.

[2:00:25] Voice 3: I'll make a note to follow up with him.

[2:00:27] Voice 3: That's all right.

[2:00:30] Trustee Fast: How about we trustee Scott,

[2:00:31] Trustee Fast: do you have questions for the plan?

[2:00:33] Voice 7: No.

[2:00:34] Voice 7: All right.

[2:00:35] Trustee Fast: Thank you. And, uh, there we go.

[2:00:38] Voice 7: Thank

[2:00:42] Trustee Fast: you. Then we'll move on to section 7.2.

[2:00:48] Trustee Fast: Laskin, second liquor sales, temporary use permit resolution.

[2:00:52] Trustee Fast: Starting on page 27.

[2:00:55] Trustee Fast: And that'll be, uh, staff and cogs.

[2:00:58] Voice 22: We can

[2:01:07] Trustee Fast: move ahead until he comes back.

[2:01:09] Trustee Fast: He's probably been checking in on us going well.

[2:01:11] Trustee Fast: We're

[2:01:12] Voice 7: way off schedule.

[2:01:14] Trustee Fast: okay

[2:01:14] Voice 7: very good so

[2:01:17] Trustee Fast: we'll move on then to uh trust conservancy report i'm going to zip through this

[2:01:24] Trustee Fast: because this is this report was dated back in july 13th and um you can see the heron is there

[2:01:31] Trustee Fast: but i will tell you i was just on a meeting of the islands trust conservancy a couple of days ago

[2:01:38] Trustee Fast: and I'm on the board of the Islands Trust Conservancy,

[2:01:41] Trustee Fast: and they have a new appointed member, Risa Smith, from Galeano,

[2:01:50] Trustee Fast: and she has a long and distinguished career.

[2:01:53] Trustee Fast: She's now and has been working even at the IUCN level,

[2:01:58] Trustee Fast: including national and provincial conservation planning.

[2:02:01] Trustee Fast: So we're glad to have her with us, and at that meeting,

[2:02:04] Trustee Fast: we advanced a number of covenants, conservation covenants, and nature reserves, and I'm pleased

[2:02:12] Trustee Fast: to report that, as well as that, that the Laskini Island has also had a chunk of land

[2:02:21] Trustee Fast: protected by another group, but still, it's great to see the other groups are working

[2:02:27] Trustee Fast: on this as well, and I don't have all my reports, but I'm going to skip ahead.

[2:02:34] Trustee Fast: Just

[2:02:35] Voice 18: on the Trust Conservancy, I know there's an hour dedicated in the Trust Council meeting,

[2:02:41] Voice 18: and what I've noticed is that somebody just reads out what's in the kit that we get.

[2:02:49] Voice 18: And I find that anything that I can just read, I don't need somebody else to read it to me and take an hour off of time.

[2:02:56] Voice 18: So I think I'd like to see it presented, and then just somebody can just come on from the Conservancy

[2:03:01] Voice 18: and ask us if we have any questions.

[2:03:03] Voice 18: Rather than going, I just find it's really painful.

[2:03:07] Voice 18: Okay.

[2:03:08] Trustee Fast: I'll take that as a voice share.

[2:03:10] Voice 18: It's not

[2:03:10] Voice 18: important information.

[2:03:11] Voice 18: I know it

[2:03:12] Voice 18: is, but I mean, those meetings are so long,

[2:03:15] Voice 18: we've got to find a way of expediting some of this stuff.

[2:03:18] Voice 18: But people are just reading out to us what we've got in our 408 pages of stuff.

[2:03:24] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:03:25] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:03:27] Trustee Fast: We've tried to find a balance, but I'll talk to you about that offline.

[2:03:30] Trustee Fast: All right.

[2:03:30] Trustee Fast: Thanks.

[2:03:30] Trustee Fast: and uh but i just uh wanted to let people know that that's a um a very active group and that's

[2:03:37] Trustee Fast: the conservation arm of the islands trust which we might not always seem like uh go ahead heather

[2:03:43] Voice 3: I was just going to say on the previous agenda item, I can speak to it.

[2:03:50] Voice 3: On 7.2, I can speak to that.

[2:03:52] Voice 3: I think it's happened at a time before, but may not be able to at the moment.

[2:03:59] Voice 3: So I can speak to it.

[2:04:02] Trustee Fast: Okay, that's great.

[2:04:03] Trustee Fast: I just wanted to leave time to do that.

[2:04:07] Trustee Fast: So let's, I'm making sure I've got the right papers in front of me.

[2:04:11] Trustee Fast: Sorry, that's in my way.

[2:04:13] Trustee Fast: Okay, then we'll go back to 7.2. I do 7.2, and thank you for being flexible, Planning Manager Cowler, and take it away.

[2:04:23] Trustee Fast: Okay,

[2:04:24] Voice 3: so this is regarding, there's a company's permit that was denied by the LTC for Mr. Laskin.

[2:04:35] Voice 3: There's a regulation that says if you apply, that you can't apply again for the same proposal within a year unless the trustees waive that requirement.

[2:04:49] Voice 3: So this is a request to do that.

[2:04:53] Voice 3: so if you um approve this he can then apply within the next year

[2:04:58] Voice 3: or if we don't approve it

[2:05:00] Trustee Fast: then he can't that's right okay so the question is um

[2:05:05] Trustee Fast: uh we turned it down the last time go ahead trustee scott um

[2:05:10] Voice 18: i propose that we not grant

[2:05:13] Voice 18: this because i don't think anything's going to change to see the same application again

[2:05:19] Voice 18: sooner than within a year. I don't get it. I don't see the purpose of it.

[2:05:25] Voice 18: So I'd like to deny this.

[2:05:28] Trustee Fast: Okay. So we just wouldn't make a resolution for it. Go ahead, Trustee.

[2:05:32] Trustee Fast: Well, I

[2:05:33] Voice 20: encouraged him afterwards to apply for a special event license for Friday nights.

[2:05:38] Voice 20: John, this is what he was doing. And he did. He got accepted.

[2:05:43] Voice 20: And then Verby said, have you heard any complaints about Friday night at all?

[2:05:46] Voice 20: And I said, no, but that doesn't necessarily mean, you know,

[2:05:50] Voice 20: he's in the middle of bubbles these days.

[2:05:51] Voice 20: So I was curious whether, are you aware of that,

[2:05:56] Voice 20: that he did apply for the special events license?

[2:06:01] Voice 20: I kind of feel before we go to, you know, say no,

[2:06:05] Voice 20: I think we should at least allow him to, or at least have the neighbors respond again

[2:06:13] Voice 20: in terms of the Friday nights, was there issues about, you know,

[2:06:16] Voice 20: Because I thought that would be a good litmus test in terms of seeing how the community,

[2:06:21] Voice 20: whether there is issues or not.

[2:06:23] Voice 20: I haven't heard any, but that doesn't mean no news is bad news or not.

[2:06:27] Voice 20: Well,

[2:06:27] Trustee Fast: I have a question just before I get to you.

[2:06:30] Trustee Fast: My question is, I think there's a limit on this so that it doesn't keep taking up LTC time

[2:06:36] Trustee Fast: when we've got so many big important topics to help organize the work.

[2:06:46] Trustee Fast: right so that it's not uh i'm wondering what precedent would we set uh by doing this for

[2:06:52] Trustee Fast: yeah

[2:06:53] Voice 18: and can can he get a special permit as you're saying for an event permit that's right

[2:07:00] Trustee Fast: i think

[2:07:01] Trustee Fast: that's i don't think that's from us

[2:07:03] Voice 18: no

[2:07:04] Voice 20: it's really looking back but i told him to do that

[2:07:06] Voice 20: you know just you know friday nights basically because he has a jazz thing he used to be

[2:07:14] Voice 18: But not that he can have booze all the time, no.

[2:07:18] Trustee Fast: I think we're not hearing a lot of support for making a resolution here.

[2:07:23] Voice 20: No, I'm surprised once again the applicant is not here. This is the second time.

[2:07:27] Voice 20: And then, to be honest, then he gets upset with me and says I wasn't told about the meeting.

[2:07:33] Voice 20: I said, we know about the meeting. So it's very frustrating.

[2:07:37] Voice 20: Because he should be here to speak to it. There's nothing we can do about it.

[2:07:43] Trustee Fast: okay do we want to hear from the planner or do we want to just move on to the next

[2:07:48] Voice 5: okay

[2:07:52] Voice 3: we've been we've been talking

[2:07:53] Voice 3: yeah we've been talking about the application a little bit

[2:07:57] Voice 3: and i gave him a background on it

[2:07:59] Voice 3: but you have something you want to add

[2:08:04] Voice 14: i would sign into the meeting earlier and then but i just got a text that's

[2:08:29] Trustee Fast: It's Sue Wellen here, chair of the meeting, and we've had a little bit of discussion,

[2:08:33] Trustee Fast: and I have to say, Regional Planning Manager Cower has given us a quick overview of the situation,

[2:08:40] Trustee Fast: and your report is in front of us, so thank you for that.

[2:08:43] Trustee Fast: Any questions for the planner?

[2:08:46] Trustee Fast: Did you have something specific you wanted to ask Ian?

[2:08:50] Voice 14: No.

[2:08:51] Voice 14: Just to be clear, I mean, the report is a memorandum.

[2:08:53] Voice 14: It's not a staff report recommendation, correct?

[2:08:56] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:08:57] Trustee Fast: We're just not always clear.

[2:08:58] Trustee Fast: I'm just going up. I haven't 7.2. So this is not a decision

[2:09:03] Trustee Fast: We can decide to make this draft resolution or we can decide to move on to the next things in the agenda

[2:10:11] Trustee Fast: Okay, trustee Scott I

[2:10:12] Voice 18: move we move to the next point on the agenda

[2:10:14] Trustee Fast: Okay. I'm hearing that as a non-support for this draft resolution.

[2:10:18] Voice 20: So what happens to this?

[2:10:20] Voice 20: You

[2:10:20] Trustee Fast: can move it and see if anybody seconds it, if you want to.

[2:10:23] Voice 20: Or otherwise, does the applicant come to us?

[2:10:27] Voice 20: The

[2:10:28] Voice 18: applicant never seems to come to us.

[2:10:30] Voice 18: Or email somebody?

[2:10:32] Voice 18: He'd have to

[2:10:33] Voice 18: apply to get it on the next LTC agenda.

[2:10:35] Voice 18: Yes.

[2:10:35] Voice 18: Right?

[2:10:36] Trustee Fast: No, he'd have to apply to next year.

[2:10:39] Voice 18: He wants to know, if he wants us to consider allowing him to do it within the year to change the existing,

[2:10:47] Voice 18: if it doesn't allow it, he's got a request to change the part of it that allows him to do it within a year, right?

[2:10:52] Voice 18: Oh.

[2:10:53] Voice 3: This is essentially the request. This is the request.

[2:10:56] Voice 14: This is, yeah, correct. This is the request.

[2:10:58] Voice 14: I know, and I don't want to go into it. I don't want to get on with it.

[2:11:01] Voice 14: You know, I mean, the LTP could have...

[2:11:03] Voice 14: This is moot.

[2:11:04] Voice 14: This whole thing is moot.

[2:11:06] Voice 14: If it's, you know, otherwise you would have to wait another year to apply again for the same sheet for the liquor license.

[2:11:13] Voice 14: Right, thank you.

[2:11:14] Voice 14: Thank you.

[2:11:16] Trustee Fast: Alex?

[2:11:17] Voice 18: Yes?

[2:11:17] Trustee Fast: Do you want to make this draft, do you want to move that, the draft language that's there?

[2:11:25] Trustee Fast: Page 27?

[2:11:26] Voice 20: Well, I'm feeling that this is not an approval here for this.

[2:11:33] Trustee Fast: Well, you'll find out if you move it.

[2:11:34] Trustee Fast: Nobody seconds it.

[2:11:35] Trustee Fast: I don't want to move it.

[2:11:36] Trustee Fast: Okay, all right, then we're moving on.

[2:11:38] Trustee Fast: To thank you, everybody, for your consideration.

[2:11:42] Trustee Fast: We've done the Trust Conservancy report.

[2:11:45] Trustee Fast: If you don't mind, I'm just going to leave it brief.

[2:11:47] Trustee Fast: Applications report, page 36.

[2:11:49] Trustee Fast: Are there any questions for the planner?

[2:11:51] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[2:11:52] Trustee Fast: Go ahead.

[2:11:53] Trustee Fast: Sorry to get there.

[2:11:55] Voice 20: Thanks, Ian.

[2:11:57] Voice 20: It's not page 36.

[2:11:58] Voice 20: It's page...

[2:12:01] Trustee Fast: Applications report.

[2:12:03] Trustee Fast: Am I wrong?

[2:12:04] Trustee Fast: You're going wrong.

[2:12:06] Trustee Fast: Page 36.

[2:12:07] Trustee Fast: There were a number of copies of the versions of the agenda.

[2:12:09] Trustee Fast: I have to admit.

[2:12:13] Voice 20: Sometimes it's really frustrating.

[2:12:14] Voice 20: Do

[2:12:14] Trustee Fast: you want to look online?

[2:12:19] Voice 20: There is a really interesting one, yes.

[2:12:23] Voice 20: But what pages do you have there?

[2:12:25] Trustee Fast: This is page 139.

[2:12:28] Trustee Fast: I

[2:12:28] Voice 20: wish this would be in order. It's always an issue.

[2:12:31] Voice 20: Like a trust council and everything. It's really irritating.

[2:12:35] Voice 20: It's because the

[2:12:36] Voice 20: number's over the line.

[2:12:38] Voice 20: I'd like to know about that one.

[2:12:40] Voice 20: one. HOTDP 2021.3. This is hilarious because this house is on a cliff. It's 10 acres. It goes,

[2:12:53] Voice 20: it's just a cliff that goes up like that. It's right across the farm. And I just find it really

[2:13:01] Voice 20: amazing that they don't even want to put a pool there. And I don't know what variance amounts

[2:13:05] Voice 20: before it. Is this a freshwater pool? Is this a saltwater pool? It's a really odd piece of

[2:13:11] Voice 20: Is this

[2:13:12] Trustee Fast: information that you have, or should Alex follow up with you later?

[2:13:16] Voice 3: We can answer those questions. The application will come before you.

[2:13:22] Voice 20: It's

[2:13:23] Voice 3: in process, it looks like.

[2:13:26] Voice 20: Can you scroll down, too? Stop.

[2:13:35] Voice 20: Gosh.

[2:13:37] Voice 20: Sorry,

[2:13:41] Trustee Fast: I just jumped about three pages ahead of you.

[2:13:44] Trustee Fast: Yeah, just

[2:13:45] Trustee Fast: give me a second. I'll get back to 37.

[2:13:47] Voice 18: Why are we just hearing about bar shortages and we're talking about setbacks for a pool? Really?

[2:13:54] Voice 18: That's what I mean. I'm going to do it.

[2:13:56] Voice 18: ALR?

[2:13:56] Voice 9: Is that the one?

[2:13:57] Voice 9: That's off the record, right?

[2:13:59] Voice 18: Yeah.

[2:14:00] Voice 18: Am I on the line, Heather?

[2:14:03] Voice 18: You're

[2:14:03] Trustee Fast: being recorded, everybody.

[2:14:04] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:14:08] Trustee Fast: So at some future point, the applicant may view that.

[2:14:16] Voice 20: Sorry, people.

[2:14:17] Voice 20: Okay, I think that was it.

[2:14:19] Voice 20: That was it?

[2:14:20] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[2:14:21] Trustee Fast: Any questions for the planner?

[2:14:23] Trustee Fast: Okay, then we're going to move on to 8.3,

[2:14:27] Trustee Fast: Trustee and Local Expense Report.

[2:14:29] Trustee Fast: That's there, 42.

[2:14:30] Trustee Fast: This is dated July, so I don't know whether you want to bother looking at this.

[2:14:35] Trustee Fast: July, this is page 42.

[2:14:41] Trustee Fast: Just so you can see where we're at with the APC expenses

[2:14:44] Trustee Fast: and the Local Trust Committee meeting expenses, special projects,

[2:14:47] Trustee Fast: projects, that kind of thing. All good? You

[2:14:49] Voice 18: got enough money?

[2:14:51] Trustee Fast: Sure, I'll just keep standing.

[2:14:54] Voice 18: Well,

[2:14:55] Trustee Fast: the big box, right? Okay, I'm not hearing any questions here, so I'm going to move on

[2:15:00] Trustee Fast: to 8.4, Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions. This is more here for our reference, but there

[2:15:07] Trustee Fast: is one that we want to speak to shortly, right? Yeah, go ahead. Which page are you on there,

[2:15:26] Voice 20: Can you hear me? Am I muted? This is worse than that. What did you

[2:15:40] Trustee Fast: say we're doing?

[2:15:41] Trustee Fast: We're doing adopted policies and standing resolution.

[2:15:44] Voice 20: Yes, exactly. I am right there, so my page is completely wrong.

[2:15:47] Voice 20: 43?

[2:15:48] Trustee Fast: 43. And

[2:15:49] Voice 20: mine was 103. That's why I'm off.

[2:15:52] Trustee Fast: Did you have a question?

[2:15:54] Voice 20: Well I want to move the moratorium and change the date as per everybody's request.

[2:16:01] Trustee Fast: Okay. I think, did we have that on? The

[2:16:07] Voice 20: date is coming up.

[2:16:08] Trustee Fast: Yeah, we've got page 148, you've got that emailed. Regarding

[2:16:11] Voice 20: the proactive PR.

[2:16:15] Voice 20: So

[2:16:16] Trustee Fast: which number is that?

[2:16:17] Voice 20: But you know what's so weird? I don't remember seeing pro-active enforcement of year-round unlawful dwelling, unlawful housing.

[2:16:24] Voice 20: We only had pro-active enforcement for vacation rentals, not this.

[2:16:28] Voice 20: I

[2:16:29] Voice 5: think we had this.

[2:16:29] Voice 5: I don't know where that appeared.

[2:16:31] Voice 20: But anyways, I want to move that the Hornbein Local Trust Committee adopt the following standing resolution.

[2:16:37] Voice 20: That enforcement of unlawful permanent dwellings be deferred until such time that the Local Trust Committee can review the criminal housing supply issue in Hornbein

[2:16:44] Voice 20: or until December 31st, 2022.

[2:16:49] Voice 20: Thank you.

[2:16:49] Trustee Fast: So you're advancing it one year, which is good.

[2:16:52] Trustee Fast: That's what we thought we'd do at the beginning.

[2:16:54] Trustee Fast: And then there's...

[2:16:55] Voice 20: I second that.

[2:16:56] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:16:56] Trustee Fast: So at least we've got something to discuss that's on the table.

[2:16:59] Trustee Fast: Yeah, go ahead.

[2:17:00] Voice 18: So that's the...

[2:17:01] Voice 18: The more shorter the bylaw.

[2:17:03] Voice 18: Can we put it out further than that?

[2:17:05] Voice 18: More than one year?

[2:17:07] Voice 19: Well,

[2:17:07] Voice 20: I'm just thinking it's an election next year,

[2:17:09] Voice 20: so it'll be on the agenda of somebody's people.

[2:17:13] Voice 20: it puts people in it just

[2:17:15] Voice 18: makes more i did it four

[2:17:17] Voice 20: years one time so

[2:17:18] Voice 19: let's do it four okay but we

[2:17:20] Voice 19: can always put it back presumably all right it's the 2020 well maybe we don't have to go to that

[2:17:25] Voice 19: part but let's have a 2023 sure two years heather

[2:17:31] Voice 3: i just want to clarify which resolution we're

[2:17:33] Voice 3: talking about because there is an agenda item for extending an expired expiration date for

[2:17:39] Voice 3: Or whatever it is

[2:17:41] Voice 3: we're talking about, right?

[2:17:43] Trustee Fast: Yeah, I think so.

[2:17:44] Trustee Fast: That's

[2:17:44] Voice 20: regarding the correspondence we received on that.

[2:17:47] Trustee Fast: No, I think this is 14.3, page 177.

[2:17:56] Voice 20: Oh, okay.

[2:17:56] Voice 20: So, all right.

[2:17:57] Voice 20: This is over there.

[2:17:59] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:18:02] Trustee Fast: 177.

[2:18:02] Trustee Fast: Sorry, I just got a bunch of stuff to scroll through here.

[2:18:04] Trustee Fast: Look, there we go.

[2:18:06] Trustee Fast: So, here we have the report from the planner,

[2:18:10] Trustee Fast: and I'll just get Heather to introduce it in just a second.

[2:18:12] Trustee Fast: Right.

[2:18:12] Voice 3: That's the resolution I was just speaking about, and this is, yeah, there's a recommendation for extending around the expiry date.

[2:18:23] Voice 3: By one year.

[2:18:24] Voice 3: Yeah, by one year.

[2:18:26] Trustee Fast: And go ahead, Grant.

[2:18:28] Voice 18: So I'd like to recommend that the formula of the trust committee amending is by radiative standing.

[2:18:34] Voice 18: Hang

[2:18:34] Trustee Fast: on, we've got a motion moved and seconded.

[2:18:36] Voice 18: Oh, I see.

[2:18:38] Trustee Fast: Yeah, one sec. I just want to ask the question, can we do it for more years?

[2:18:47] Trustee Fast: And if so, what would be the reason for just doing one?

[2:18:52] Trustee Fast: Yeah, I mean, you

[2:18:54] Voice 3: can technically do that.

[2:18:58] Voice 3: But the longer you go without an actual project where you're actually working on the issue, it's problematic.

[2:19:06] Voice 3: at it. You know, you're basically saying we don't want to put the bylaw in force. And

[2:19:12] Voice 3: the longer you go without a project to do something about it, it's problematic.

[2:19:18] Voice 20: Sorry, can I speak to this one?

[2:19:19] Voice 20: Yeah.

[2:19:21] Voice 20: Well, we do. We have the APCs looking at it right now. They're going to come back with

[2:19:25] Voice 20: a report. And so we actually are doing something in this regard. So I feel that we should do

[2:19:31] Voice 20: more time for two years.

[2:19:33] Voice 18: Okay, thank you.

[2:19:35] Voice 18: I agree because it gives people more security. One year isn't very long. People are really concerned about it. They've got this thing sitting over their heads and they don't know where the security of their housing is. So I agree with Alex to change it to 2023.

[2:19:50] Voice 20: And we know how long things take. We've been putting this thing on forever. It's really frustrating.

[2:19:58] Voice 20: Okay,

[2:19:59] Trustee Fast: I'm hearing, I'm hearing, so then let's vote on the one we've got, and if we vote it down, then...

[2:20:04] Trustee Fast: Can

[2:20:05] Voice 19: we call it a friendly amendment?

[2:20:06] Voice 19: Yes, can we do a friendly amendment?

[2:20:08] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:20:09] Voice 19: We're both friendly.

[2:20:09] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:20:10] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:20:12] Voice 20: So, change the date from 2022 to 2023.

[2:20:16] Voice 20: Right.

[2:20:17] Voice 20: December 31st, 2023.

[2:20:19] Trustee Fast: It's kind of a significant change, I don't know.

[2:20:23] Trustee Fast: All right.

[2:20:24] Trustee Fast: Let's vote down the old one.

[2:20:26] Voice 18: i'm going

[2:20:27] Trustee Fast: to call the question on the motion to extend it until december 31st 2022 all those in

[2:20:34] Trustee Fast: favor just for the record because i have moved it or seconded it or something okay that fails

[2:20:42] Trustee Fast: and so next we're going to um a new motion go ahead and

[2:20:48] Voice 20: there's two here right um i'm moving

[2:20:49] Voice 20: second that the hormion local trust committee adopt the following standing resolution that

[2:20:55] Voice 20: that enforcement on unlawful permanent dwellings be deferred until such time as the Local Trust Committee

[2:20:59] Voice 20: can review the critical housing supply issue on Horme Island Board until December 31, 2023.

[2:21:08] Voice 20: I

[2:21:08] Voice 18: was looking at the resolution on page 177.

[2:21:10] Voice 20: It's a different resolution.

[2:21:12] Voice 20: I'm on a different page.

[2:21:13] Voice 20: My pages are completely wrong for you guys.

[2:21:16] Voice 20: Let me see.

[2:21:17] Voice 20: 177.

[2:21:18] Voice 20: Okay, that's funny.

[2:21:19] Voice 20: All right.

[2:21:20] Voice 20: I was at the Horme Island Local Trust Committee and then the expiration date of standing resolution

[2:21:25] Voice 20: Number HO-2017-011 to December 31st, 2023.

[2:21:32] Voice 20: Do I have a seconder?

[2:21:34] Trustee Fast: I do have a seconder. Okay, thank you. Moved and seconded. Any more discussion?

[2:21:39] Trustee Fast: Any concerns that the planner wants to, comments the planner wants to make? Any B's want to, yeah.

[2:21:48] Trustee Fast: Okay, I'm going to call the question. All those in favour? That passes unanimously.

[2:22:00] Yeah,

[2:22:06] Voice 7: there seems to be

[2:22:07] Trustee Fast: a duplicate in the...

[2:22:08] Voice 20: This is a separate one that I want to extend as well for next year.

[2:22:12] Trustee Fast: Oh, so we're looking on page 109, item number 9 of the standing resolutions.

[2:22:20] Voice 20: And it's probably not 109 because I page out the review quickly.

[2:22:23] Voice 20: Okay,

[2:22:23] Trustee Fast: so we're back up in the...

[2:22:25] Trustee Fast: uh the

[2:22:25] Voice 20: standing resolution is the last one right okay

[2:22:28] Trustee Fast: uh oh yes it'll be like 47.

[2:22:32] Voice 20: i want to move

[2:22:32] Voice 20: as well what page is 47

[2:22:34] Trustee Fast: i think i don't

[2:22:36] Voice 20: like 109 anyways okay um i'd like to can i move it here

[2:22:43] Trustee Fast: um

[2:22:44] Voice 20: something else

[2:22:45] Voice 3: just a second here let's we need to make sure yeah so we just passed

[2:22:50] Voice 3: That's the motion that's not recommended, right, which is extending the expiration date of – this is where it gets confusing.

[2:23:02] Voice 3: There's the motion – so the standing resolution has a resolution number associated with it.

[2:23:11] Voice 3: And then there's another resolution, which is the extension of the expiration, right?

[2:23:18] Voice 3: Right, but they don't, this standing resolution doesn't necessarily get changed like the original

[2:23:24] Voice 3: expiration date just stays in that standing resolution, but there's another standing resolution.

[2:23:29] Voice 3: That's

[2:23:29] Voice 20: right, because everyone was confused about it last time.

[2:23:31] Voice 3: So those two go together. So, have we done that one? Are you looking at another one now that you want to extend?

[2:23:41] Voice 3: Yes.

[2:23:42] Voice 3: Okay. I just want to be clear.

[2:23:44] Voice 3: That's number nine.

[2:23:45] Voice 19: Number

[2:23:46] Voice 3: 9. Standing resolution number 9.

[2:23:48] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:23:48] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:23:49] Voice 3: This is enforcement actions against three specific properties

[2:23:53] Trustee Fast: for unlawful...

[2:23:54] Voice 20: So that

[2:23:54] Voice 3: is the extension of the expiration.

[2:23:59] Voice 3: No,

[2:24:00] Voice 20: I'm going to extend it for next year only.

[2:24:02] Voice 20: No, we've already dealt with it.

[2:24:03] Voice 20: No,

[2:24:03] Trustee Fast: this is a separate one.

[2:24:04] Trustee Fast: This is a separate one.

[2:24:05] Trustee Fast: This is the same thing. I did this

[2:24:09] Voice 20: one ages ago.

[2:24:11] Voice 20: Yeah, I see it.

[2:24:11] Voice 20: It's the same thing. It's a housing issue, once again. And I think if we're going to extend this one, this one has to be extended as well. Put them in the same parcel.

[2:24:22] Voice 3: It's essentially the same. It is the same standard resolution.

[2:24:25] Voice 3: Yeah, but I'm going

[2:24:26] Voice 20: to change the date to 2023.

[2:24:28] Voice 3: We just did that.

[2:24:29] Voice 3: Oh, I

[2:24:30] Voice 20: thought, okay, because I looked at it.

[2:24:32] Voice 20: Sorry, can I just show you?

[2:24:33] Voice 20: Yeah.

[2:24:35] Voice 3: Because the

[2:24:36] Voice 16: resolution numbers are different.

[2:24:38] Voice 16: And I'm looking at this one.

[2:24:43] Voice 3: Oh, I see what you're saying.

[2:24:44] Voice 16: Yeah, they're separate.

[2:24:45] Voice 16: Yeah, so I want to extend that to the same thing.

[2:24:50] Voice 16: They're kind of on the same umbrella, which is housing.

[2:24:52] Voice 16: Okay.

[2:24:52] Trustee Fast: All right. Thanks for clarifying.

[2:24:54] Voice 16: Okay.

[2:24:55] Trustee Fast: That's good. I think we're all, I shouldn't say on the same page.

[2:24:59] Trustee Fast: Yeah, we're all on the same page.

[2:25:01] Voice 16: Yeah, but

[2:25:02] Trustee Fast: I think now we get it.

[2:25:03] Voice 16: Yeah.

[2:25:04] Voice 16: So this is, these

[2:25:05] Trustee Fast: are two separate different ones, but they are similar.

[2:25:08] Trustee Fast: They're

[2:25:09] Voice 18: on the same issues as housing.

[2:25:10] Trustee Fast: That's a good way to put it.

[2:25:12] Trustee Fast: Do

[2:25:13] Voice 18: I have a motion?

[2:25:14] Voice 18: What's General 1 specific?

[2:25:16] Voice 18: Doesn't General 1

[2:25:17] Voice 18: cover these three? No.

[2:25:20] Voice 18: This is the second motion.

[2:25:23] Trustee Fast: Let's see if our minute taker can

[2:25:25] Trustee Fast: understand what we're doing so that she can

[2:25:27] Trustee Fast: get it. That's Catherine?

[2:25:30] Trustee Fast: It is.

[2:25:31] Voice 10: Oh, hi. My understanding is that the motion under item 8 is that it would move and second it at the point we have a local choice.

[2:26:11] Voice 19: Yes.

[2:26:12] Trustee Fast: You're moving that?

[2:26:13] Trustee Fast: I'm moving that.

[2:26:14] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Thank you. Thank you, Catherine. This is great.

[2:26:19] Trustee Fast: And any more discussion? Yeah?

[2:26:25] Voice 10: There are two agenda packages. The first agenda, Becky put out a meeting, and the second agenda package has about 50 more pages, so the page numbers are all...

[2:26:46] Voice 20: Thank you.

[2:26:47] Voice 20: How many pages is yours?

[2:26:50] Trustee Fast: I have three versions, but anyway, let's not talk about that.

[2:26:54] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Catherine.

[2:26:58] Trustee Fast: So we've got a motion that's moved and seconded. Any more discussion or questions for the planner or the minute taker?

[2:27:05] Trustee Fast: no okay then i'm going to call the vote all those in favor thank you that passes unanimously thank

[2:27:12] Trustee Fast: you alex for making that connection yeah thank you

[2:27:14] Trustee Fast: okay and uh so that takes care of um 14.3

[2:27:25] Trustee Fast: times two very good double work okay so now we're going to move on uh anything else actually i

[2:27:34] Trustee Fast: I should say, in 43 or 47, pages 43 to 47,

[2:27:37] Trustee Fast: adoptive policies and standing resolutions.

[2:27:39] Trustee Fast: We advanced that two years.

[2:27:41] Trustee Fast: Local Trust Committee webpage just skipped that.

[2:27:43] Trustee Fast: We never talked about that.

[2:27:44] Trustee Fast: I'll take that off because I have it on all my agendas.

[2:27:52] Trustee Fast: That's all.

[2:27:52] Trustee Fast: It's just a, okay, we did that, we did that.

[2:27:56] Trustee Fast: Now we're down to applications and referrals, 11.1.

[2:28:01] Trustee Fast: this is a referral response

[2:28:04] Trustee Fast: referral request for response

[2:28:05] Trustee Fast: page 48

[2:28:08] Voice 20: so I have to add 50 to that

[2:28:11] Trustee Fast: yep

[2:28:12] Trustee Fast: or

[2:28:13] Voice 20: if you have a search function

[2:28:16] Voice 20: I can't

[2:28:19] Voice 3: introduce this

[2:28:21] Trustee Fast: that would be really helpful

[2:28:22] Trustee Fast: I think both, we just need a second to get to it

[2:28:26] Trustee Fast: I'm at it

[2:28:26] Trustee Fast: it looks like this Alex

[2:28:29] Voice 15: we

[2:28:29] Trustee Fast: can share it if you want

[2:28:30] Trustee Fast: ok please go ahead

[2:28:32] Trustee Fast: Yeah,

[2:28:33] Voice 3: so this is the trust policy statement, and it's being referred to the LTC.

[2:28:38] Voice 3: There's a few actions that are given at the end of it that are essentially you recommend approval or your interests are unaffected.

[2:28:47] Voice 3: One of the actions that isn't listed here that some of the LTCs are choosing is to defer decision until further public engagement has occurred.

[2:28:57] Voice 3: And if you'd like to do that, you can make a motion for that.

[2:29:01] Voice 3: go ahead

[2:29:03] Voice 18: I would definitely like to make that motion

[2:29:04] Voice 18: we just haven't had enough discussion

[2:29:07] Voice 18: on the island about it

[2:29:08] Trustee Fast: and we know there's more public

[2:29:11] Trustee Fast: engagement coming

[2:29:12] Trustee Fast: this was the formal referral

[2:29:17] Trustee Fast: of the trust policy statement

[2:29:19] Trustee Fast: right?

[2:29:20] Trustee Fast: sorry, now I've lost it

[2:29:22] Trustee Fast: page 48

[2:29:24] Trustee Fast: the

[2:29:26] Voice 18: motion would be

[2:29:28] Trustee Fast: it's at the end of it right?

[2:29:31] Trustee Fast: and so that might be

[2:29:33] Trustee Fast: on pages 51 but those are the ones

[2:29:36] Trustee Fast: There isn't a list in motion, so it's essentially that

[2:29:39] Voice 3: you defer the decision until after further public engagement.

[2:29:46] Voice 18: Okay, so I'd like to make a motion that we defer the decision until we've had a chance to do, would you say active public engagement?

[2:29:55] Voice 18: Further public

[2:29:57] Voice 18: engagement.

[2:30:00] Voice 18: good i'll second that

[2:30:01] Voice 18: consultation rather than engagement okay

[2:30:03] Trustee Fast: did you catch that katherine

[2:30:11] Trustee Fast: we can't hear you but i'm going to say the motion is to oh

[2:30:16] Voice 10: hi sorry um so you wanted the word

[2:30:19] Voice 10: consultation rather than engagement yeah

[2:30:22] Trustee Fast: yeah okay

[2:30:24] Voice 10: thank

[2:30:25] Trustee Fast: you and uh i seconded it grant scott moved

[2:30:29] Trustee Fast: any more discussion all those in favor very good thank you thank you trustee

[2:30:37] Trustee Fast: Scott and where was I now we're on to Kramer 11.2 this is page 52 137 and this

[2:30:56] Trustee Fast: is an application so I would like to who do we hear from here

[2:31:01] Trustee Fast: Jamie

[2:31:02] Voice 22: Anita? I am here, yes.

[2:31:06] Voice 22: Okay, so this is Planner Jamie Dabinia.

[2:31:09] Voice 22: Okay.

[2:31:11] Voice 22: Okay.

[2:31:12] Voice 22: Planner Dabinia?

[2:31:33] Voice 10: Oh, hang on.

[2:31:40] Trustee Fast: Yes,

[2:31:40] Voice 18: Jamie, if you could give us the call's notes, please.

[2:31:43] ...business

[2:31:59] Voice 11: meeting. We're requesting a time to conduct a site visit.

[2:32:06] Voice 11: So this doctor is reporting that so this was...

[2:34:35] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:34:36] Trustee Fast: That's Platter de Begna.

[2:34:38] Trustee Fast: That's Platter de Begna.

[2:34:40] Trustee Fast: Questions for the Platter?

[2:34:45] Voice 20: Who actually did the site visit?

[2:34:47] Voice 20: I have a few questions, but you said the staff know that currently there are no regulations

[2:35:04] Voice 20: in the LUB that prohibit or guide tree or vegetation removal within...

[2:35:08] Voice 20: Joining the meeting.

[2:35:09] Trustee Fast: Oops, just a sec.

[2:35:11] Trustee Fast: Hi Lisa.

[2:35:13] Trustee Fast: We're still a ways away from the closed, but please hang on the line, and we might go quick.

[2:35:22] Voice 20: I'm confused about the regulations.

[2:35:25] Voice 20: We do have regulations regarding tree and vegetation removal from the cliffs, I thought.

[2:35:31] Voice 20: And it's saying we don't.

[2:35:32] Voice 20: And I remember talking to David Morrow a while ago about some particular concerns about some houses on the water.

[2:35:39] Trustee Fast: The

[2:35:39] Voice 20: CDRD does.

[2:35:41] Trustee Fast: Hang on.

[2:35:42] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Clare.

[2:35:43] Trustee Fast: No,

[2:35:43] Voice 20: but this is within our bylaws.

[2:35:45] Voice 20: that you cannot remove trees on hazardous like cliffs erosion and then yeah

[2:36:06] Voice 11: some parts of

[2:36:14] Voice 20: hornby but not others and i have i also have concerns where this

[2:36:18] Voice 20: the applicant is coming across like he's a qualified professional a lot of

[2:36:23] Voice 20: like i don't understand why there's no qualified professionals at all involved in anything

[2:36:26] Voice 20: it's just his word against somebody else's word and so i do have concerns to be honest

[2:36:32] Voice 20: us with a lot of this. Even his campsites, there's 50 campsites, not 41. And he's not

[2:36:42] Voice 20: stating 41 campsites. I actually had to go to the map and highlight the little yellow

[2:36:46] Voice 20: things. There are 50. Sorry.

[2:36:49] Trustee Fast: I think I read that there were, so maybe we can let the, that there were 50, so maybe

[2:36:54] Trustee Fast: Maybe we can let

[2:36:55] Trustee Fast: the planner clarify the 41 verse 50.

[2:37:02] Voice 11: Yes, so they're approving 1990.

[2:37:46] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Planner Dabenga.

[2:37:47] Trustee Fast: Trustee Scott.

[2:37:49] Voice 18: Yes, I'd like to read out what the judge said in 1982.

[2:37:56] Trustee Fast: We're changing along?

[2:37:57] Trustee Fast: That's a

[2:37:58] Voice 18: one-page, 120.

[2:38:01] Voice 18: That's Brad's dad's land.

[2:38:03] Voice 18: Is it flawless?

[2:38:05] Voice 18: Okay.

[2:38:06] Voice 18: But the Highlands Trust went to court and the Highlands Trust lost on a technicality.

[2:38:12] Voice 18: And this is what the judge said.

[2:38:14] Voice 18: It is true that he only operated...

[2:38:19] Voice 18: I would find as a fact that Stormwell, that's Isaac, commenced operating as a campground

[2:38:24] Voice 18: in 1982.

[2:38:26] Voice 18: No, it's Brad.

[2:38:26] Voice 18: Brad.

[2:38:27] Voice 20: Stormwell.

[2:38:29] Voice 18: Stormwell.

[2:38:30] Voice 18: It is true that he only operated a small way, but he did have campsites built and he did

[2:38:34] Voice 18: permit vehicles to stay overnight in 1982, as is evidenced by his receipt book and his own evidence

[2:38:41] Voice 18: under oath. On another occasion, he advised that the island's trust that the campground had not

[2:38:47] Voice 18: grown since it's exceptionally admitted that this was again untrue. I considered depriving him of

[2:38:53] Voice 18: his costs, because he applied to have the costs waived. I considered depriving him of his costs

[2:39:02] Voice 18: in this matter because his attempt to mislead the island's trust. So the point is, is that

[2:39:08] Voice 18: He said he got to keep the campground there as a non-conforming use.

[2:39:19] Voice 18: And at the time, when it was non-conforming, it was 29 campsites.

[2:39:24] Voice 18: This is what I understand from reading through a bunch of this stuff.

[2:39:27] Voice 18: So now it's 41, 50, it doesn't matter what it is, it's 50 basically, but it's 41 if,

[2:39:34] Voice 18: never mind the electricity and a bunch of other things.

[2:39:38] Voice 18: So the application was denied by the local trust committee some years later, I can't remember the exact date.

[2:39:50] Voice 18: I remember it was Carol Martin and Bo Halliwell were the trustees at the time, denied it then.

[2:39:56] Voice 18: What is

[2:39:57] Voice 18: being requested here, in my mind,

[2:39:59] Voice 18: is for us to legalize and to create a special zone for place that over this whole period of time has tried to do things and keeps moving the goalposts all over the place.

[2:40:13] Voice 18: And I am particularly not in favor of legitimizing something

[2:40:18] Voice 18: that all the way along the line, it functions now as it is,

[2:40:21] Voice 18: and it has a non-conforming use, and I propose

[2:40:25] Voice 18: that we just leave it the way it is, as a non-conforming use.

[2:40:27] Voice 18: It works.

[2:40:29] Voice 18: Thank you.

[2:40:30] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:40:31] Voice 18: So you're not going to move this resolution?

[2:40:33] Trustee Fast: I think the motion might be to not make a motion.

[2:40:37] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Heather.

[2:40:38] Trustee Fast: I guess I

[2:40:38] Voice 3: could comment that it's not

[2:40:40] Voice 3: a legal non-conforming use.

[2:40:42] Voice 3: The reason that this application is before you is because it is a bylaw incorruption.

[2:40:48] Voice 3: So if they don't get a rezone of the property, it will go back to bylaw, and it will be a bylaw incorruption that will have to be prosecuted.

[2:40:56] Voice 3: It's not a legally non-conformant.

[2:40:59] Voice 18: Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

[2:41:00] Voice 19: Can I speak?

[2:41:01] Voice 19: Say that again.

[2:41:02] Voice 19: Yeah, just one second.

[2:41:04] Trustee Fast: This is an important point.

[2:41:05] Trustee Fast: It's hard to hear the difference between illegal and illegal.

[2:41:11] Trustee Fast: Illegal. So if you could make that clear.

[2:41:13] Trustee Fast: Okay. So it's

[2:41:16] Voice 3: not legally non-conforming.

[2:41:20] Voice 18: Is that what it was?

[2:41:21] Voice 3: Yeah. No, it's not.

[2:41:22] Voice 3: And that is why this applicant has had to apply for a rezone,

[2:41:26] Voice 3: because the only way to make it legal is to have zoning that allows it.

[2:41:32] Voice 3: Yeah. So if the rezoning does not go through,

[2:41:36] Voice 3: it's a bylaw infraction that will have to be prosecuted by a bylaw,

[2:41:42] Voice 3: Our by-law officers.

[2:41:45] Voice 18: So the by-law enforcement people will say it has to be shut down?

[2:41:55] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[2:41:55] Trustee Fast: And we can go on with the other projects and things on our list.

[2:41:59] Trustee Fast: Any questions for the plan?

[2:42:01] Voice 20: Well, this is like a really controversial application.

[2:42:05] Voice 20: From day one, he's been...

[2:42:09] Voice 20: It was Brad Stormwell, Brad Staslin was the initial guy who bought the lot in 1980.

[2:42:14] Voice 20: There's a lot of background information. It took me forever and I'm not a lawyer, so reading all those decisions was really challenging.

[2:42:25] Voice 20: It was very confusing because there's this whole thing about void and no effect for failure to publish the synopsis.

[2:42:32] Voice 20: It's really confusing all this background information. I'm not really overwhelming.

[2:42:37] Voice 20: It was 26 sites, not 41, not 50. He's just continually adding, adding, adding.

[2:42:44] Voice 20: adding it's he has people that are living in trailers that are just have to get out at

[2:42:48] Voice 20: summertime now um the parking you know you can tell obviously there's way too many campsites

[2:42:54] Voice 20: because it's dangerous he's parked all the cars are parked on the side of the road it's getting

[2:42:58] Voice 20: worse it's like on the main road he's right behind this little three vehicles right behind a flower

[2:43:04] Voice 20: stand and uh i don't agree with he's just been itching like even the sewage when was the last

[2:43:11] Voice 20: I mean, you know, it includes a 1989 sewage thing, but when was the last time it was looked at?

[2:43:17] Voice 20: I mean, just all these things just seem... I don't think the information provided is giving me any help in terms of making a decision, frankly.

[2:43:25] Voice 20: So, based on all the letters I've received, and everybody, nobody's in favour of this.

[2:43:31] Voice 20: Thank you. I'm

[2:43:32] Trustee Fast: going to go back to... Thank you. Trustee Scott.

[2:43:35] Trustee Fast: up heather

[2:43:37] Voice 18: is there anything that we can pass now that just leaves things as they are that's what

[2:43:44] Voice 3: the rezoning would do is essentially you're you're legalizing what's there now by rezoning it that's

[2:43:52] Voice 3: the that's the only way to legalize it okay yeah but if you're if you're and i'll just speak to

[2:43:58] Voice 3: maybe what you're speaking to a little bit you know the bylaw could be crafted in various ways

[2:44:05] Voice 3: So if you're not comfortable with 50 campsites because of the subject review, you can say you can have up to 41.

[2:44:14] Voice 20: How about

[2:44:15] Voice 3: 26? Which is

[2:44:17] Voice 19: what we had originally.

[2:44:18] Voice 3: Yeah, so the bylaws can be crafted in a way that you're more comfortable with.

[2:44:23] Voice 3: Maybe they need more on-site parking. So the zoning should say they need more on-site parking.

[2:44:28] Voice 3: More on-site?

[2:44:29] Voice 3: It could be, it could be, the zoning would say you need to have on-site parking as opposed

[2:44:35] Trustee Fast: to parking on the road, right?

[2:44:37] Voice 3: So if you're, if you're generally, like if you think it could be crafted in a way to make it more acceptable,

[2:44:45] Voice 3: the biohealth can be crafted that way. And it's not already has been now, it's some sort of reduced version of that.

[2:44:56] Trustee Fast: I'm just gonna chime in here because I'm not nearly obviously as familiar with the

[2:45:02] Trustee Fast: island or this site in specifics but looking through the agenda I got the

[2:45:09] Trustee Fast: impression of a lot of court action and I'm wondering whether anything we

[2:45:21] Trustee Fast: might do would also end up in

[2:45:27] Voice 20: court and I'm

[2:45:30] Trustee Fast: going maybe if we you know not

[2:45:33] Trustee Fast: hearing any appetite for this rezoning although this is great to have all the

[2:45:38] Trustee Fast: information I'm wondering if and I offer this humbly as somebody who's not part

[2:45:45] Trustee Fast: of the community but seeing all those court determinations and things and

[2:45:50] Trustee Fast: and thinking about all the projects that we want to do that you think are important for the community.

[2:45:56] Trustee Fast: I'm wondering if we might want to leave this to bylaw.

[2:45:59] Voice 20: Well, could we just move, then maybe defer to our, not defer, but defer to our legal,

[2:46:06] Voice 20: in terms of whatever decision we make?

[2:46:09] Voice 20: You know, because there is, there's a lot of court cases going back and forth on this.

[2:46:13] Voice 20: So, he likes to litigate this person.

[2:46:15] Voice 20: And so, yeah, I'm comfortable with them and I feel they need this.

[2:46:22] Voice 3: So I'll just speak to that real quick.

[2:46:23] Voice 3: You know, this action is sort of the legal remedy.

[2:46:31] Voice 3: Essentially, the legal remedy is that they get a reason to do what they want to do, right?

[2:46:35] Voice 3: But if you're thinking, you know, once bylaws were drafted,

[2:46:42] Voice 3: we could send those to our legal team to see if those would be okay, you know,

[2:46:47] Voice 3: But it might not do what Mr. Kramer wants them to do.

[2:46:50] Voice 3: Like, if he wants 50 campsites and you say, we only want 41,

[2:46:54] Voice 3: we're going to not want this either.

[2:46:56] Voice 20: Yeah, but the 50 campsites is obviously way too many because all the cars are parked on the road.

[2:47:00] Voice 20: So there's issues here. There's safety issues. There's all sorts of things.

[2:47:03] Voice 20: And that's the whole point. There's only supposed to be 26 campsites,

[2:47:08] Voice 20: and he's just really, really keen on adding more.

[2:47:10] Voice 20: And that's, hence, why is it...

[2:47:11] Voice 11: Hello? Nancy?

[2:47:14] Voice 20: Oh, good idea!

[2:48:22] Voice 11: Thank

[2:48:25] Trustee Fast: you very much Planner Dubenya.

[2:48:27] Voice 18: Trustee Scott.

[2:48:29] Voice 18: I agree with what you said earlier.

[2:48:30] Voice 18: Let it go to bylaw enforcement. Let it play itself through them. Because anything we do is going to legitimize all those things you mentioned, those hundred pages in here of court cases and denials by the LTCs in the past.

[2:48:50] Voice 18: Okay,

[2:48:51] Trustee Fast: well I think I'm hearing an appetite for, well I have a question.

[2:48:58] Trustee Fast: This applicant has applied and presumably paid an application fee.

[2:49:06] Trustee Fast: So if we were to take no further action, make a motion to take no further action or something

[2:49:14] Trustee Fast: like that, what would happen to the application fee?

[2:49:19] Voice 3: The applicant would be eligible for a refund of a portion of it because we haven't gone to public hearing.

[2:49:27] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you. And then that would, otherwise this would be a big issue that would be in front of us for many years.

[2:49:35] Trustee Fast: Are you going to make a motion?

[2:49:36] Trustee Fast: No.

[2:49:37] Trustee Fast: I will.

[2:49:38] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:49:40] Voice 20: I move that, what is it, is that what you, take no further action?

[2:49:44] Trustee Fast: I just said take no further action. I

[2:49:46] Voice 20: don't know what...

[2:49:46] Voice 20: I move that the Wormgat and Local Trust Committee take no further action.

[2:49:51] Voice 3: That would be a number, so alternative number two has a motion on that.

[2:49:54] Voice 20: Oh, thank you.

[2:49:55] Voice 3: What page is that?

[2:49:56] Voice 20: What

[2:49:56] Voice 3: page is that?

[2:49:57] Voice 3: It's on

[2:49:57] Voice 3: 58 of my burden.

[2:50:00] Voice 3: Which is 300.

[2:50:01] Trustee Fast: And H

[2:50:01] Voice 3: -O-R-Z.

[2:50:04] Voice 20: Thank you, yeah.

[2:50:05] Voice 20: I move that the LCC, okay, so there it is.

[2:50:07] Voice 20: I see it.

[2:50:08] Voice 20: Okay, so, whoops.

[2:50:10] Voice 20: I move that the Wormgat and Local Trust Committee proceed no further with the application H-O-R-Z

[2:50:15] Voice 20: it 2020.1 for the following reasons for all the reasons well i think we

[2:50:22] Voice 7: need to get the reasons

[2:50:22] Voice 20: just say we don't yeah do we well

[2:50:25] Voice 7: yeah um

[2:50:29] Voice 20: concerns setting precedent uh let's see yeah okay so good

[2:50:34] Voice 20: because of because yeah the non-compliance thank you wendy because

[2:50:42] Voice 18: of the history of non-compliance

[2:50:45] Voice 20: yes yes but if you're non-compliant exactly yeah

[2:50:48] Voice 18: by the applicant period don't complain

[2:50:52] Voice 18: okay

[2:50:53] Trustee Fast: period

[2:50:54] Voice 18: that works okay

[2:50:56] Voice 18: thank you did

[2:50:57] Voice 19: you get that captain i don't think probably

[2:50:59] Voice 19: with this thing i didn't say anything

[2:51:00] Voice 19: when you sit up here see we didn't see you yeah

[2:51:17] Voice 11: Is

[2:51:25] Voice 3: that something you've seen before, Amy? Would you prefer that? I need

[2:51:31] Voice 3: to get a seconder.

[2:51:31] Voice 11: Yeah, and then...

[2:51:37] Trustee Fast: Okay, thanks. Let's

[2:51:38] Trustee Fast: do this one first, okay? So do I have a seconder for Alex's

[2:51:42] Trustee Fast: motion? Thank you. And any more discussion? Could you read it again?

[2:51:48] Voice 20: It's number two. The

[2:52:26] Voice 10: Heather,

[2:52:29] Voice 18: why do we have to put the Y in there?

[2:52:31] Voice 18: That's

[2:52:32] Trustee Fast: correct. Thank you. Except it says H-O-R-Z.

[2:52:34] Trustee Fast: Right.

[2:52:36] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[2:52:37] Trustee Fast: Yeah. Thank you.

[2:52:39] Voice 18: One question. People need to know why we did it.

[2:52:41] Voice 18: Why do we need to put the Y in there?

[2:52:44] Trustee Fast: So that it's clear why the decision was made.

[2:52:50] Voice 18: Well, I understand that. But is there some legal reason why we have to say that?

[2:52:54] Voice 3: I believe there's some legal implication.

[2:52:55] Voice 18: Are we?

[2:52:56] Voice 18: I

[2:52:56] Voice 3: think there's some legal implication.

[2:52:57] Voice 18: Yes.

[2:52:58] Voice 18: Yes, because of the history of the applicant, or the history of the activities on the existing property, or something, rather than wording it as directed at the applicant.

[2:53:12] Voice 18: Yeah,

[2:53:13] Voice 3: that makes sense.

[2:53:14] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:53:14] Voice 18: Is that a friendly?

[2:53:16] Voice 10: No.

[2:53:16] Voice 18: Of non-compliance.

[2:53:17] Voice 10: Because of the history of non-compliance.

[2:53:21] Voice 10: On the property.

[2:53:22] Voice 18: Yeah.

[2:53:23] Voice 10: Non-compliant activities

[2:53:24] Trustee Fast: on the property.

[2:53:25] Trustee Fast: Because of the

[2:53:25] Voice 10: history of non-compliant activities on the property.

[2:53:29] Trustee Fast: Very good. Are

[2:53:30] Voice 18: you okay with that?

[2:53:31] Trustee Fast: Yeah. Property.

[2:53:32] Voice 18: Property. Singular.

[2:53:33] Voice 18: I think that's pretty clear.

[2:53:35] Voice 18: Yeah, that's good.

[2:53:39] Trustee Fast: Keep it on the property.

[2:53:41] Trustee Fast: Good. Very good. Okay. Any more discussion?

[2:53:44] Trustee Fast: No.

[2:53:45] Trustee Fast: Okay. Then I'm going to call the question. All those in favor?

[2:53:49] Trustee Fast: That passes unanimously. Thank you.

[2:53:52] Trustee Fast: And so, Planet Dibenio, did you have some wording for the follow-up?

[2:53:58] Voice 11: Yes.

[2:54:01] Voice 11: Okay.

[2:54:02] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:54:03] Voice 11: So that's the RBI return.

[2:54:15] Trustee Fast: Seconded.

[2:54:18] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:54:18] Trustee Fast: So maybe we can ask Catherine to read it out, make sure she's got it.

[2:54:22] Trustee Fast: We can.

[2:55:22] Trustee Fast: And you're moving that?

[2:55:23] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[2:55:24] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:55:24] Trustee Fast: I second that.

[2:55:25] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[2:55:26] Trustee Fast: Moved and seconded.

[2:55:27] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion or questions for the planners?

[2:55:29] Voice 18: No.

[2:55:30] Trustee Fast: Any more comments from the planners?

[2:55:33] Trustee Fast: I'll call the question.

[2:55:34] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[2:55:35] Trustee Fast: I

[2:55:36] Voice 18: vote we have a two-minute break.

[2:55:37] Voice 18: Okay.

[2:55:38] Trustee Fast: Thank you, everybody. We're going to take a two-minute break.

[2:55:42] Trustee Fast: All right. I'm going to reconvene us. We're ready to go over there.

[2:55:45] Trustee Fast: All good. And we're down at correspondence now.

[2:55:49] Trustee Fast: And I actually think, because we've covered those other items, that we dealt with this because we made that motion already.

[2:55:56] Trustee Fast: Right? This was related to the extension.

[2:55:59] Voice 18: Yeah.

[2:56:01] Trustee Fast: 14.1, citing a use permit, page 149 on my agenda.

[2:56:05] Trustee Fast: This is a staff report, bylaw number 168.

[2:56:15] Trustee Fast: Is this something?

[2:56:19] Voice 3: Oh, okay.

[2:56:19] Voice 3: So we may want to have a little more discussion on this one,

[2:56:22] Voice 3: but I can present it quickly.

[2:56:24] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:56:25] Voice 3: Essentially, your citing and use permit bylaw is outdated,

[2:56:28] Voice 3: and I'm suggesting some just modernization, you know,

[2:56:33] Voice 3: references to legislation and that sort of thing.

[2:56:36] Voice 3: But there is also a recommendation that we do, that there is some requirement for surveys, which is studying these permits, if the setback is closer than a meter.

[2:56:55] Voice 3: And that can be, the way that it's drafted is, it's any setback.

[2:57:02] Voice 3: And the reason for that is that we're spending a lot of time trying to get accurate site counts from applicants.

[2:57:09] Voice 3: They're not experienced, typically, drafters or surveyors.

[2:57:14] Voice 3: And so we don't actually end up with a document that we can look at to say, yes, in fact, you need the zoning law for the Landis Valley, right?

[2:57:23] Voice 3: So this is consistent with the Comox Valley Regional District's building permit regulations.

[2:57:30] Voice 3: regulations. They give people a break and I mean everybody get a survey, but they say, and they say, if you meet the setback, if you are drafting it and you think you meet the setback and you're at the setback or further, then you don't have to give us a survey.

[2:57:46] Voice 3: But if you're going to be closer than that, we'd like you to get a survey so that we know for sure. Now, Clomox Valley Regional District does it for water courses only.

[2:57:55] Voice 3: So they have looked at the natural boundary of the sea for instance and said that's the most important setback that you need to look at.

[2:58:03] Voice 3: This is drafted so that it's any setback, but it could be redrafted to be completely consistent with CBRD if you'd like it.

[2:58:11] Voice 3: And that's what's in grade.

[2:58:15] Trustee Fast: Okay. So I don't know if you've had a chance to think about this.

[2:58:21] Trustee Fast: Yes.

[2:58:21] Trustee Fast: Yeah, go ahead.

[2:58:22] Trustee Fast: Well,

[2:58:23] Voice 20: I was looking at, you know, because we don't, for me, we don't have building permits, right?

[2:58:28] Voice 20: So I was looking at some of the islands and looking at what exactly their building permits require.

[2:58:35] Voice 20: And I like the idea that building permits require, survey certificates require for new homes only,

[2:58:40] Voice 20: but anything

[2:58:41] Voice 20: but additions and accessory buildings may not require a survey if setbacks can be determined by other means.

[2:58:47] Voice 20: And I found that a little friendlier, and I just like this better than the particular language in this one.

[2:58:56] Voice 7: But it might be worth checking.

[2:58:57] Voice 7: But that's what

[2:58:58] Voice 20: all this says for all finals. This is under there. This is the regional, the Tour of the Regional District building project.

[2:59:04] Trustee Fast: The Capital Regional District. That's the same. Okay.

[2:59:06] Trustee Fast: And I wonder if we might want to ask staff to see how that's working, because I would hate to adopt something that they were actually

[2:59:13] Trustee Fast: That's exactly what

[2:59:14] Trustee Fast: I

[2:59:15] Voice 20: was going to say.

[2:59:16] Voice 20: updating

[2:59:16] Trustee Fast: and stuff yeah so we could direct staff to um uh investigate some better wording than that

[2:59:24] Trustee Fast: go ahead trustee scott i'm

[2:59:27] Voice 18: sorry it makes sense to me the way to describe it i mean

[2:59:31] Voice 18: if it's within a meter it doesn't seem unreasonable to get a survey or it's not like

[2:59:37] Voice 18: getting a survey is a huge deal it's not like a big study or anything it's simply something you

[2:59:42] Voice 18: If it's that close, I think it's a good thing, and that table there shows how it works.

[2:59:49] Voice 18: So I'd rather than ask the staff to go and do some more work on it, I'd be happy to move

[2:59:56] Voice 18: the way it's set, the way it's here.

[3:00:02] Trustee Fast: And then we could look at it another time, like do

[3:00:07] Voice 20: it step-by-step?

[3:00:08] Trustee Fast: Yeah, I mean,

[3:00:09] Voice 20: I'd still really be curious to see what's going on in Southern Gulf Islands.

[3:00:13] Voice 20: Because I said it'd be interesting because it's a Southern, they're islands, right?

[3:00:17] Voice 20: This is the region, this is Clomox Valley, it's not an island.

[3:00:20] Voice 20: And I'd just be, I just want to see more, have more information on this before I make a decision.

[3:00:27] Voice 20: Okay,

[3:00:28] Trustee Fast: so I'm hearing one.

[3:00:29] Trustee Fast: One trustee that is happy to go ahead and make the recommendations as written here, straightforward, and I'm hearing another, and straightforward for the region, and I'm hearing another trustee who wants to improve things and sees another way forward.

[3:00:49] Trustee Fast: What do you think, Alex, about the point that we've got something in front of us now that

[3:00:55] Trustee Fast: would adjust it better, and then we could put the investigation of how the CRD one is

[3:01:05] Trustee Fast: working on our projects list, and then when it got to that point, it could come up?

[3:01:13] Voice 18: Well, what was Heather's point about, I mean it's causing a certain amount of confusion

[3:01:19] Voice 18: the way people draw these maps. And I see some of the maps, the things that are drawn

[3:01:23] Voice 18: on the tape. I wouldn't want to be passing something with a neighbor that's that close

[3:01:30] Voice 18: and there's a lot of half acre lots and there's a lot going on and there's not a lot of distance.

[3:01:34] Voice 18: So I'm good with this thing. I don't know, what would we ask the planners to go away

[3:01:40] Voice 18: and look at? Other options? Is it worth

[3:01:44] Voice 18: asking staff time to do that?

[3:01:46] Voice 20: matter. It's basically just making just a phone call, just asking a few planners down

[3:01:51] Voice 20: south about whether that particular, you know, not to ask for a survey for accessory buildings

[3:02:01] Voice 20: if, what is it here? Yeah, survey is required for new homes, but additions to accessory

[3:02:11] Voice 20: buildings may not require a survey. If said that, it's going to be determined by other

[3:02:15] Voice 20: means. It's not saying, you know, if somebody has a bad drawing, then they're going to be

[3:02:20] Voice 20: told them about? Do I not have to come back with something better or...?

[3:02:23] Voice 20: Well, I

[3:02:23] Trustee Fast: don't know about... OK, sorry, I put myself on the list.

[3:02:27] Trustee Fast: I don't know about setbacks being determined by other means because what

[3:02:30] Trustee Fast: I'm hearing from the planner is that they can't be, because planners are

[3:02:35] Trustee Fast: having difficulty with it. Secondly, accessory buildings.

[3:02:39] Voice 20: But why is this... why is this... on Southern Gulf Islands, this is what they have going on.

[3:02:44] Voice 20: I'm just curious. It's quite different from what we'd be doing, that's all.

[3:02:49] Voice 19: So if you want

[3:02:50] Voice 18: to make a motion.

[3:02:51] Voice 18: I just wonder if there's an immediate need for this?

[3:02:55] Voice 3: There isn't.

[3:02:56] Voice 3: This isn't an urgent matter.

[3:02:58] Voice 3: And it would be relatively easy for me to go on with that language

[3:03:01] Voice 3: and present something different if that's what you want to see next time.

[3:03:06] Voice 3: It's not a big deal to do what you're asking me to do.

[3:03:10] Voice 3: And I could weigh the person's funds.

[3:03:12] Voice 3: And it's not an urgent matter to get this passed.

[3:03:15] Voice 18: So I move to keep Alex happy.

[3:03:24] Voice 18: That

[3:03:26] Trustee Fast: the whole Harvey Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to collect information about

[3:03:34] Trustee Fast: the efficacy of the Capital Regional Districts.

[3:03:38] Trustee Fast: No, just to quote the one meter thing.

[3:03:41] Voice 18: I just want

[3:03:42] Voice 20: to make sure.

[3:03:43] Voice 20: No, I mean,

[3:03:44] Voice 20: it's regarding the additions and accession buildings, that's all we're talking

[3:03:50] Voice 20: about. It may not require a survey. That's all. That's the only use case.

[3:03:54] Voice 20: So

[3:03:54] Trustee Fast: we can pass these other ones for primary uses?

[3:03:59] Voice 20: Well, it's not a, I'm getting from Heather, that it's not a ration.

[3:04:03] Trustee Fast: Okay, we need to craft a motion because I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what we're asking staff to do.

[3:04:09] Voice 20: I want to just have a friendly conversation with planners down south to find out whether there's an issue with

[3:04:16] Voice 20: the not having a survey for accessory buildings or whether you need you know

[3:04:22] Voice 19: in terms of the

[3:04:22] Voice 19: drawings and whatever ask henry's got the wording yeah

[3:04:26] Voice 3: i think normally we have an alternative

[3:04:28] Voice 3: asking for more information okay and so the local trust can request staff to um to look into the

[3:04:36] Voice 3: capital regional districts language regarding accessory buildings related to site and surveys

[3:04:42] Voice 3: How's that?

[3:04:43] Voice 3: That sounds great.

[3:04:44] Voice 3: Okay.

[3:04:45] Voice 3: That sounds good.

[3:04:46] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:04:47] Trustee Fast: Now I get it.

[3:04:48] Voice 20: You're going to make me happy.

[3:04:49] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[3:04:49] Trustee Fast: That it's just accessory buildings?

[3:04:51] Trustee Fast: So did you get that, Catherine?

[3:04:59] Voice 10: No.

[3:04:59] Voice 10: Except

[3:05:12] Trustee Fast: it should be Capital Regional District.

[3:05:14] Trustee Fast: Right.

[3:05:15] Trustee Fast: District?

[3:05:17] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[3:05:17] Voice 18: Or Salt Spring or something.

[3:05:20] Trustee Fast: That'd be good.

[3:05:21] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:05:21] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:05:22] Trustee Fast: For the Southern Gulf Islands.

[3:05:24] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[3:05:24] Voice 18: Because

[3:05:25] Trustee Fast: it may be different than downtown, right?

[3:05:26] Trustee Fast: Yeah.

[3:05:28] Trustee Fast: And if you could add that you're okay with that as a perspective.

[3:05:30] Voice 18: Yeah.

[3:05:31] Trustee Fast: the amendment? Okay. And you're moving?

[3:05:34] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:05:35] Trustee Fast: That's what Grant, that's what, sorry,

[3:05:37] Trustee Fast: Trustee Allen has moved? Second.

[3:05:39] Trustee Fast: Trustee Scott has seconded.

[3:05:41] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion? All those in

[3:05:43] Trustee Fast: favor? Thank you.

[3:05:45] Trustee Fast: Great. Good. I wasn't sure.

[3:05:47] Voice 5: I must

[3:05:48] Trustee Fast: be, I must be

[3:05:49] Trustee Fast: tiring because I wasn't sure what we were asking.

[3:05:51] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:05:54] Trustee Fast: We're doing well. We're on

[3:05:55] Trustee Fast: to the new fees by law. Do you guys

[3:05:57] Trustee Fast: want to deal with this or do you

[3:05:59] Trustee Fast: want to...

[3:06:00] Trustee Fast: uh new fees bylaw request for decision

[3:06:03] Trustee Fast: page 160. these are the new fees bylaw that we passed at

[3:06:08] Trustee Fast: trust council i believe this

[3:06:12] Voice 18: is heather is this what the apc recommended no

[3:06:18] Voice 3: this is this is this

[3:06:20] Voice 3: is the model bylaw that was recommended by trust council so yeah

[3:06:26] Trustee Fast: remember they were looking at

[3:06:29] Trustee Fast: And we have a policy that the Islands Trust collects fees

[3:06:35] Trustee Fast: that cover the costs of the planner's time and that kind of thing.

[3:06:38] Trustee Fast: So development pays for development.

[3:06:40] Trustee Fast: And then they came forward, the Trust Program, was it Trust Planning Committee,

[3:06:47] Trustee Fast: Regional Planning Committee came forward with the proposals

[3:06:50] Trustee Fast: that are down in our agenda here for new fees that would, yeah,

[3:06:57] Trustee Fast: Yeah, adoption of a new application processing by-law fee

[3:07:00] Trustee Fast: based on all the work they've done over a couple of years,

[3:07:04] Trustee Fast: clarify activities covered by the application fee,

[3:07:08] Trustee Fast: all those things that are on page 160 and 170.

[3:07:13] Trustee Fast: And well, 160 is the goals.

[3:07:16] Trustee Fast: And I'm wondering what you think.

[3:07:22] Trustee Fast: Any trustees got any thoughts about this?

[3:07:24] Trustee Fast: Would this be right for Hornby?

[3:07:26] Trustee Fast: Are we concerned about subsidizing development with taxpayers' dollars, or do we want to raise fees?

[3:07:34] Trustee Fast: That's how I think about it.

[3:07:36] Voice 20: Do we

[3:07:36] Trustee Fast: want to ask this planner to introduce this?

[3:07:40] Trustee Fast: Maybe that would be clearer than me saying...

[3:07:42] Trustee Fast: What

[3:07:42] Voice 18: makes it difficult is this doesn't mean anything to somebody who's building on a waterfront,

[3:07:50] Voice 18: who's got a lot of money.

[3:07:51] Voice 18: It means a lot to somebody who comes in to get a temporary use permit or a development permit,

[3:07:55] Voice 18: and they don't have a lot of money

[3:07:59] Voice 18: like all this housing thing we're talking about

[3:08:00] Voice 18: where we're trying to do that kind of

[3:08:04] Voice 18: the application fees mean a lot

[3:08:07] Voice 18: so that's why I stumble over increasing fees

[3:08:11] Voice 18: because it doesn't take into account

[3:08:14] Voice 18: I don't know how you do that

[3:08:16] Voice 18: the socio-economic component

[3:08:21] Voice 18: maybe we should

[3:08:24] Trustee Fast: Let's ask Heather to give us a run-through, because I confess I read this a few days ago.

[3:08:31] Trustee Fast: So please go ahead.

[3:08:33] Voice 3: Essentially it's this. There is a model fee by law that is being presented to you.

[3:08:38] Voice 3: And the question is, do you want to consider adopting it or not?

[3:08:42] Voice 3: Changing your current fee by law to be consistent with it.

[3:08:46] Voice 3: And if you do want to consider that, and you can say no, you can just say no, we don't want to consider it.

[3:08:53] Voice 3: Or you can say, yes, we do want to consider it, and you can either adopt it for a while, or you can review it more, you know, have staff review it more, and you can tweak parts of it that you think are too high by 20%.

[3:09:11] Voice 3: So there's a limit to how much you can pay if you decide to do that.

[3:09:16] Trustee Fast: and maybe we could refer

[3:09:18] Trustee Fast: because I believe the APC went

[3:09:20] Trustee Fast: through a whole project

[3:09:22] Trustee Fast: they probably got all the fee structure in their heads

[3:09:24] Trustee Fast: I was

[3:09:24] Voice 20: just going to bring that up

[3:09:25] Voice 20: I would like to defer and bring back

[3:09:28] Voice 20: the report for the APC

[3:09:29] Voice 20: because it

[3:09:32] Trustee Fast: says that we don't have to

[3:09:32] Trustee Fast: review it, right?

[3:09:33] Voice 20: Yeah, and we don't have to, you know, March 22

[3:09:35] Voice 20: ideally, so we can have some time

[3:09:38] Voice 20: to sort of

[3:09:39] Voice 20: I

[3:09:40] Trustee Fast: think the APC

[3:09:41] Voice 20: has other things

[3:09:41] Trustee Fast: the APC has other

[3:09:43] Trustee Fast: things on their list

[3:09:44] Trustee Fast: but they have just referred

[3:09:46] Voice 18: this, they've just

[3:09:47] Trustee Fast: been through this whole process.

[3:09:50] Voice 18: We also referred the question about land use bylaws and fees to the APC, right?

[3:09:57] Voice 20: Well, we did for the existing fees.

[3:09:59] Voice 20: The first thing you guys did was looking at all the fines, etc., and the fees.

[3:10:04] Voice 20: Yeah, so it's been done. We just need to review it again.

[3:10:07] Voice 20: In line of...

[3:10:09] Voice 18: Get their recommendation.

[3:10:10] Voice 18: Did we

[3:10:11] Voice 18: ever change our bylaws to reflect that?

[3:10:16] Voice 18: Yeah, so I mean, should we look at

[3:10:19] Voice 18: that before we make a decision on it? That's my thought.

[3:10:24] Voice 18: That's my thought too.

[3:10:25] Voice 18: So I think we defer it until we've had a chance. Maybe what we can task staff to do is take this recommendation and what we got from the APC and take a look at it and come up with some options.

[3:10:37] Voice 18: Does that

[3:10:39] Voice 3: make sense?

[3:10:41] Voice 18: Yeah,

[3:10:41] Voice 3: that does. So it sounds like, it sounds to me like you do want to consider it. You're not saying no. You want to consider it, and going forward, you'd like to have

[3:10:53] Voice 18: it

[3:10:54] Voice 3: in person for what the APCs were.

[3:10:58] Voice 3: Yeah,

[3:10:58] Voice 20: they spent all this time, and they haven't done anything with it.

[3:11:01] Voice 3: Are you interested in referring the model, the dialogue, to the APC?

[3:11:06] Voice 18: You've got so much on your plate right now. Does that make any sense?

[3:11:10] Voice 18: with

[3:11:10] Trustee Fast: permission please go

[3:11:12] Trustee Fast: ahead we could revisit the

[3:11:15] Voice 6: referral we just made express in our minds

[3:11:17] Voice 6: it can with reference to this you could do it in half an hour in a meeting perfect that's what i

[3:11:24] Trustee Fast: was that's

[3:11:24] Voice 20: what i was thinking can i make a motion yeah i'm

[3:11:27] Voice 20: with the door man local trust committee

[3:11:31] Voice 20: refer the staff report on new

[3:11:35] Trustee Fast: fees by-law

[3:11:36] Voice 20: for consideration by the trust committee.

[3:11:43] Voice 20: But

[3:11:44] Voice 18: I wanted to tie in

[3:11:44] Voice 20: with their review that they've already done on fees.

[3:11:49] Voice 4: Just refer it to us. Just refer it.

[3:11:51] Voice 20: Just

[3:11:51] Voice 4: refer it and then you guys will know what to do.

[3:11:53] Voice 4: Okay,

[3:11:53] Voice 20: so I move that the Orchid and Orchid Trust Committee refer the staff to the Orchid and Orchid Fees By-law to the APC, period, committee.

[3:12:02] Voice 19: Second, before

[3:12:02] Voice 18: you say any more. Thank you.

[3:12:03] Voice 18: Period. Good.

[3:12:06] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion?

[3:12:07] Voice 18: No.

[3:12:09] Trustee Fast: Call the question all in favour?

[3:12:12] Trustee Fast: Very good. Thank you. That just makes so much sense. I'm glad the timing came together like that because then I'm looking forward to the recommendations.

[3:12:24] Voice 20: Oh, that's what I was going to say when I tried to look under the application fee sponsorship.

[3:12:31] Voice 20: When I clicked it on, I was ruined.

[3:12:35] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:12:38] Voice 20: Oh

[3:12:38] Trustee Fast: gosh, we've got a closed meeting.

[3:12:40] Trustee Fast: Okay, top priorities report, anybody want to comment on that?

[3:12:43] Voice 18: Hearing

[3:12:45] Trustee Fast: nothing, 15.2 projects list.

[3:12:51] Voice 20: There's

[3:12:51] Trustee Fast: a draft motion that

[3:12:52] Voice 20: we've got in front

[3:12:53] Trustee Fast: of us that we asked Heather Ford,

[3:12:56] Trustee Fast: and it came to us in our email.

[3:13:00] Trustee Fast: Yes, so

[3:13:01] Voice 3: I do have a little

[3:13:03] Voice 3: question for a business case or

[3:13:06] Voice 3: a committee.

[3:13:08] Voice 3: Did you get that email?

[3:13:11] Voice 20: Motion for

[3:13:12] Trustee Fast: a housing project.

[3:13:15] Voice 3: So

[3:13:21] Voice 3: Scott had mentioned that

[3:13:23] Voice 3: perhaps it should just

[3:13:25] Voice 3: be for the OCP LED project

[3:13:27] Voice 3: that has to do with housing but not

[3:13:29] Voice 3: specific to housing.

[3:13:30] Voice 3: if there was more profits could be covered by that.

[3:13:33] Voice 3: So that's the revised motion that I signed.

[3:13:36] Voice 7: Okay.

[3:13:38] Voice 3: Good.

[3:13:39] Voice 3: Thank you.

[3:13:40] Voice 7: So can I move it?

[3:13:43] Trustee Fast: I'd like to have Trustee Scott back with us.

[3:13:46] Trustee Fast: So just hang on one sec.

[3:13:51] Voice 20: I should have Grant make some sense for him to move it.

[3:13:54] Voice 20: Okay.

[3:13:54] Voice 20: Grant,

[3:13:55] Trustee Fast: did you want to move that revised motion that you had to have the revoke?

[3:13:59] Trustee Fast: All right, yeah.

[3:14:00] Trustee Fast: But

[3:14:18] Voice 18: we don't have a business case.

[3:14:19] Voice 18: That's the only thing that...

[3:14:20] Voice 3: I would back to the trustee.

[3:14:22] Voice 18: Oh, you would?

[3:14:23] Voice 18: Okay.

[3:14:23] Voice 18: Sure.

[3:14:24] Voice 18: Okay.

[3:14:24] Voice 18: I move that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a draft business case.

[3:14:29] Voice 18: Oh, I see.

[3:14:29] Voice 18: To assist the Hornby Island Advisory Planning Commission in its review of the Hornby Island Land Use Bylaw

[3:14:36] Voice 18: and official community plan that this business case includes the use of a consultant for all or for all part of the work

[3:14:44] Voice 18: and that the staff forward the business case to the Island's Trust Financial Planning Committee

[3:14:48] Voice 18: for consideration and inclusion in the 2223 islands trust budget you okay with that wendy

[3:14:57] Voice 18: okay

[3:14:57] Trustee Fast: wendy's the chair of the advisory planning commission okay i second oh and

[3:15:03] Voice 3: i just forwarded

[3:15:04] Voice 3: that to catherine so she could capture that in an email hopefully good good okay

[3:15:10] Trustee Fast: i do so that's gone to you um do we want to have more discussion because we did discuss

[3:15:18] Trustee Fast: this a little bit earlier in the meeting, and hearing none then, I'm going to call the

[3:15:22] Trustee Fast: question. All those in favor? That passes unanimously. Thank you.

[3:15:27] Trustee Fast: You guys, very fast. That's good. Anything else on the protest list,

[3:15:31] Trustee Fast: or can we move to a closed meeting?

[3:15:34] Trustee Fast: That the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter

[3:15:38] Trustee Fast: Part 4, Division 3, Section 91D and M

[3:15:43] Trustee Fast: for the purpose of considering D, adoption of in-camera

[3:15:46] Trustee Fast: are meeting minutes

[3:15:48] Trustee Fast: dating from July 16, 2021

[3:15:50] Trustee Fast: and M, a matter

[3:15:52] Trustee Fast: under which another, oops, under another

[3:15:54] Trustee Fast: enactment is that such

[3:15:55] Trustee Fast: that the public may be excluded from the meeting

[3:15:58] Trustee Fast: and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[3:16:00] Trustee Fast: So this is from the

[3:16:02] Trustee Fast: Community Charter's One of the Laws of British

[3:16:04] Trustee Fast: Columbia. And do I have a seconder?

[3:16:07] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Trustee

[3:16:08] Trustee Fast: Scott, all those in favor?

[3:16:10] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Thank you.

[3:16:12] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[3:16:13] Voice 1: Thanks for all your help.