North Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, October 28, 2021

[0:00:05] Voice 3: Alright. Can I

[0:00:07] Voice 6: hear you, Deb?

[0:00:10] Voice 3: Yep. I'm sorry.

[0:00:14] Voice 6: Can you

[0:00:15] Voice 3: hear me? Yep, you're coming through.

[0:00:18] You're there.

[0:00:23] Voice 2: Alright. Sorry, we're just, the ferry

[0:00:26] Voice 2: was late. Yeah, I know.

[0:00:28] Trustee Morrison: I heard. That actually worked out because my meeting ran long,

[0:00:30] Trustee Morrison: too.

[0:00:36] Voice 2: Okay.

[0:00:50] Voice 3: Yeah, I'm going to start in about two seconds so I can probably start the live stream.

[0:00:54] Voice 3: So that's this

[0:00:55] Voice 2: one and live stream.

[0:01:07] Voice 3: Yep, so that's preparing.

[0:01:16] Voice 3: Please watch out for this cord if you go to the restroom. I apologize.

[0:01:40] Voice 2: Okay, we're

[0:01:46] Voice 2: live streaming. Okay, be patient. We'll start this meeting in just two seconds.

[0:02:12] Voice 3: Okay, Laura, I'm going to hang up on the phone.

[0:02:18] Voice 3: I've got both speakers on here.

[0:02:21] Voice 3: I just had both speakers talk from the computer to the other one.

[0:02:30] Trustee McConchie: You can hear through the computer?

[0:02:33] Voice 2: Nope, not that time.

[0:02:35] Voice 2: Well, maybe it was the phone.

[0:02:37] Voice 2: It was the phone.

[0:02:38] Voice 2: I think you're good to go.

[0:02:39] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:02:41] Voice 3: Thank you, guys.

[0:02:43] Voice 3: Yes.

[0:02:43] Voice 3: Nice work, Laura.

[0:02:44] Voice 3: Nice work.

[0:02:45] Voice 3: No, seriously.

[0:02:46] Voice 3: It was a- Thanks for getting it going.

[0:02:48] Voice 3: I had to try, thank you, Mark.

[0:02:50] Voice 3: He's a good teacher.

[0:02:51] Voice 3: Thanks, Mark.

[0:02:51] Voice 3: He just did his teaching yesterday.

[0:02:53] Voice 3: I know it's here, I apologize, folks.

[0:02:56] Voice 3: I guess that's me, just-

[0:03:13] Voice 3: How are you doing, everyone?

[0:03:32] Voice 3: Time caps off.

[0:03:33] Voice 3: Is that off?

[0:03:34] Voice 3: Can you hear us, Laura?

[0:03:40] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:03:41] Voice 3: Super, we can hear you.

[0:03:42] Voice 3: because we're broadcasting on the on the speaker all right everyone should we kick it off i

[0:03:48] Voice 3: apologize i guess you said 20 minutes late look at that we're right up

[0:03:51] Voice 2: we're right on time for

[0:03:52] Voice 3: being late i

[0:03:53] Voice 3: knew you'd be right on time oh

[0:03:56] Voice 2: good morning everyone i'd like to call this meeting

[0:04:00] Voice 2: of the north pender island welcoming

[0:04:05] Voice 3: deb morrison who's joining us from afar and uh this is our very

[0:04:11] Voice 3: very first in-person meeting since, oh my God, I didn't look at the last time. February of 2020.

[0:04:18] Voice 3: Yeah, and so I'm so excited to be here and be in person. As you can see, this is a really,

[0:04:29] Voice 3: this is the first time I've ever done a hybrid meeting, a dream of

[0:04:31] Voice 2: yours, Ben.

[0:04:33] Voice 2: I don't know if

[0:04:34] Trustee McConchie: it's a dream, it could be a nightmare.

[0:04:37] Voice 3: her fingers so i mean this is really cool we have deb morrison i can see deb you cannot see deb but

[0:04:43] Voice 3: you can hear her over the uh speaker and we are live streaming we are recording uh and so if

[0:04:51] Voice 3: something happens to the broadcast and uh we lose internet connection we'll continue the recording

[0:04:57] it'll be made available either way

[0:05:00] Voice 3: uh live stream live stream but crossing our fingers

[0:05:05] Voice 3: everything stays working.

[0:05:08] Voice 3: So I always begin by acknowledging

[0:05:12] Voice 3: how fortunate we are to be able to gather

[0:05:14] all across Coast Salish territories.

[0:05:19] And this

[0:05:21] Voice 3: time of reconciliation,

[0:05:23] Voice 3: I saw yesterday the Pope announcing that he's coming

[0:05:29] Voice 3: to Kamloops in honor of the,

[0:05:33] Voice 3: to speak about, I was to say a tragic times

[0:05:45] of the of the residential schools

[0:05:47] Voice 3: and i hope all of you take the time to read and learn about that

[0:05:52] Voice 3: past history and what it means and to think very closely to your heart patrick i'm elected

[0:06:03] Voice 3: on salt spring island i'm chair of this local trust committee i'm joined today by

[0:06:08] Voice 3: deb

[0:06:08] Voice 2: morrison over in you're in glasgow scotland yes

[0:06:12] Voice 3: glasgow scotland so uh this is really cool

[0:06:16] Voice 3: and uh trustee ben mcconkey who's

[0:06:19] Voice 2: on pender island

[0:06:21] Voice 3: so together we make up your north pender local trust committee this meeting is an official form

[0:06:26] Voice 3: for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning and to discuss other

[0:06:30] Voice 3: relevant business i also want to note that this is a place of employment and our staff have the right

[0:06:38] to a safe and respectful workplace and as well

[0:06:42] Voice 3: i know all of us will be respectful today as we

[0:06:46] Voice 3: interact in today's meeting um so we're grateful for having this electronic meeting as well as in

[0:06:52] Voice 3: person this is a first and i apologize for in advance for any hiccups as we have but you can

[0:06:58] Voice 3: see stuff are available to back this up but we run into any issues and we'll work to overcome

[0:07:03] Voice 3: this quickly um so in in today's meeting uh only you in the room have the ability to interact with

[0:07:15] Voice 3: us in the future we hope to be able to interact with you like as well this is a learning curve

[0:07:20] Voice 3: taking this step by step by step and i'm looking in the future uh town hall in a moment just on

[0:07:29] Voice 3: how to participate in that so i wanted to introduce some of the stuff that we have today we have

[0:07:35] Voice 3: shannon rakers and behind us on the who is our minute taker welcome uh kim stockville uh the

[0:07:42] Voice 3: planner was not able to join us today but we have um phil i'm sorry phil i'm having a break

[0:07:49] Voice 3: Yes, thank you, it just left me, and we have Robert Kojima, Regional Planning Manager.

[0:07:58] Voice 3: So, we have an agenda before us, are there any additions or changes that need to be made to the agenda?

[0:08:03] Trustee McConchie: Yes, Chair, I'd like to add three items to the agenda. Hopefully they're brief, because I don't want you to stay up until midnight in Glasgow there, Trustee Morrison.

[0:08:12] Trustee McConchie: uh under new business i'd like to add magic lake uh and the local trust committee uh advocating

[0:08:22] Trustee McConchie: the crd uh for improvements in invasive management of environmental management

[0:08:26] Trustee McConchie: and water quality control i'd like to also add uh the agricultural advisory planning commission

[0:08:36] Trustee McConchie: motion uh to enable the local trust committee to meet be required quarterly third new business item

[0:08:45] Trustee McConchie: in regards to trailers and or temporary housing.

[0:08:49] Trustee McConchie: I would like to inquire to staff and my fellow trustees

[0:08:54] Trustee McConchie: on how to direct by-law enforcement to stop fining folks

[0:08:58] Trustee McConchie: and removing them from trailers and or temporary housing

[0:09:01] Trustee McConchie: during this housing crisis we're dealing with.

[0:09:04] Voice 3: All right. Any other additions?

[0:09:05] Voice 3: Can we accept through general consent the agenda as amended?

[0:09:14] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:09:15] Voice 3: Great. Thank you.

[0:09:18] Voice 3: Okay. So that brings us to our first item of business,

[0:09:21] Voice 3: which is trustee reports.

[0:09:22] Voice 3: courts who'd like to go first trustee morrison we're

[0:09:25] Trustee Morrison: gonna let you go trustee morrison i

[0:09:26] Trustee Morrison: can do

[0:09:27] Trustee Morrison: that um so as is obvious since i'm not there in person i'm so sad not to be there in person

[0:09:33] Trustee Morrison: um i'm in scotland i'm here um speaking and working across the couple weeks at the conference

[0:09:41] Trustee Morrison: of parties for the climate change convention um conference here so um i bring many of the

[0:09:48] Trustee Morrison: things that we're doing locally into this context and in conversations with people in other local

[0:09:52] Trustee Morrison: spaces and learning from them in terms of local work I really appreciated the conversations and

[0:10:00] Trustee Morrison: the feedback we've been getting related to the land use bylaw review so thanks all to the to

[0:10:06] Trustee Morrison: those who are continually engaging in that space and thinking with us about the local

[0:10:12] Trustee Morrison: land use bylaw revision process it's been very helpful to think with folks about that

[0:10:18] Trustee Morrison: And as we go forward into the December Trust Council,

[0:10:23] Trustee Morrison: I also want to advise folks to really think and comment,

[0:10:28] Trustee Morrison: regardless of how you think, whether you agree with me or not,

[0:10:31] Trustee Morrison: it would be good to have your letters and comments forwarded to the

[0:10:36] Trustee Morrison: Islands 2050. I think it's, and Laura,

[0:10:40] Trustee Morrison: you can correct me if I'm wrong at islandstrust.bc.ca for any feedback

[0:10:45] Trustee Morrison: related to the trust policy statement as those conversations go forward

[0:10:48] Trustee Morrison: in december um and i think i will leave it there for now thanks

[0:10:54] Trustee McConchie: uh briefly uh i spent a lot of time

[0:10:58] Trustee McConchie: on zoom uh regarding the land use bylaw review and the policy statement uh we're having vigorous

[0:11:05] Trustee McConchie: conversation with community members and fellow trustees uh i really enjoyed uh beginning

[0:11:11] Trustee McConchie: in collaboration with self-pender on some common goals uh with the self-pendered trustees uh they

[0:11:16] have accepted i believe uh informally the invitation

[0:11:19] Trustee McConchie: chris one of our representatives

[0:11:21] Trustee McConchie: to go to discuss uh the house size um issue that we've been tackling during our land use bylaw

[0:11:28] Trustee McConchie: review uh in their meeting with the agriculture advisory planning commission chaired by barbara

[0:11:35] Trustee McConchie: johnston grimmer and uh vice chair george larue i had a very uh highly successful meeting with them

[0:11:41] Trustee McConchie: where we just discussed uh housing and the discussion that we have with langley's biology

[0:11:46] Trustee McConchie: meeting relating to how to handle uh farm workers and how to appropriately support farmers uh and

[0:11:53] Trustee McConchie: managing housing situation they also uh as per my motion uh potentially here in new business

[0:11:59] Trustee McConchie: suggested like you did on salt spring chair patrick uh meeting quarterly with the agriculture

[0:12:04] Trustee McConchie: advisory committee uh today there is an invasive management group which i believe is the first time

[0:12:10] Trustee McConchie: we've ever had this on pender and i i organized this through the crd that my job was chair of the

[0:12:15] Trustee McConchie: crd parks and recreation commission um which is basically a group of uh four folks uh under 30

[0:12:21] Trustee McConchie: that are out there pulling daphne right now uh in the rain and uh helping our public spaces and

[0:12:27] Trustee McConchie: public parks become healthier uh ecosystems at least trying to make it manageable i know

[0:12:32] Trustee McConchie: advances seem to be a losing battle uh and uh i'm looking forward to consulting with the public

[0:12:38] Trustee McConchie: regarding the policy statement uh we have an engaged public and i think this is a great

[0:12:43] Trustee McConchie: opportunity now we can meet in person to hear further thoughts uh from folks about the policy

[0:12:48] Trustee McConchie: statement and how to go forward so thanks that's all i have to report thank you

[0:12:52] Voice 3: very much um well

[0:12:54] i'll be i'll be brief so the trust council did meet in september where it did approve uh uh

[0:13:00] the third phase or the final phase of the public engagement

[0:13:04] Voice 3: for the trust policy statement

[0:13:06] Voice 3: That is, there's a RFP out right now for tender to have consultant support to help run this regional planning, or this regional and public engagement process.

[0:13:20] So expect to hear more on the details of the official engagement process as it gets determined.

[0:13:28] So I don't know when to expect that.

[0:13:32] uh it's it's end of end of november you know december january february march the time frame

[0:13:41] is what i would expect uh at this at this point and more to come and i know deb will

[0:13:46] through her work on the trust programs

[0:13:48] Voice 3: committee will have a lot more in the coming weeks i would

[0:13:53] Voice 3: hope uh the next trust consul meets at november 30th to the december 2nd you had wanted to do a

[0:14:03] Voice 3: formal delegation your request for that is is coming soon so keep an eye on the deadlines it's

[0:14:10] Voice 3: about three weeks before the the meeting that you have to have your retention information on

[0:14:15] Voice 3: the website how to do that and the big conversation will be you may have seen the the budget this is

[0:14:21] Voice 3: the budget time as always we start with lots of requests and we have to go through a process to

[0:14:27] Voice 3: window that down that this next trust council meeting is very important to that so um be aware

[0:14:35] that's the normal process

[0:14:36] Voice 3: that we go through with the budget it would start with a larger appetite

[0:14:39] Voice 3: than we have to uh consume and we will uh make adjustments and then that goes to public

[0:14:46] Voice 3: consultation which a survey process in usually january and then trust council the budget is

[0:14:52] Voice 3: is finalized in the March trust council

[0:14:55] Voice 3: that heads up on the budget

[0:14:58] Voice 3: because I know there's no worries out there.

[0:15:01] Voice 3: We should talk about it.

[0:15:03] Trustee McConchie: There's a lot of informed community members

[0:15:06] Trustee McConchie: alerting us to these issues.

[0:15:07] Voice 3: That's correct.

[0:15:08] Voice 2: All right, so this is your time to speak with us.

[0:15:12] Voice 2: So I believe you'll be able to speak from your chair.

[0:15:15] Voice 2: Deb

[0:15:16] Voice 3: will let us know if she can hear you or not

[0:15:18] Voice 3: on the microphone.

[0:15:18] Voice 3: If she can't, I'll have you just step up

[0:15:21] Voice 3: closer to this microphone

[0:15:22] Voice 3: because that's the device that will be hearing you.

[0:15:26] Voice 3: and um so this is your chance to talk to us about anything that's uh that you think is important to

[0:15:32] Voice 3: the uh to help us make good decisions if you're an applicant today you'll have a chance to talk

[0:15:37] Voice 3: to us when we're hearing your application so you don't need to speak to us now and um so be direct

[0:15:43] Voice 3: your comments to the local trust committee speak about issues not people be clear concise and

[0:15:48] Voice 3: respectful as i know you will be so is there anyone that wishes to address us today then

[0:15:54] Voice 3: you can just let us know your name because i don't uh

[0:15:58] Voice 1: good morning thank you um i'd like to ask

[0:16:01] i have

[0:16:02] Voice 1: a couple of questions to ask your information questions the first item i'd like

[0:16:09] to ask about is bill 26 2021 the municipal affairs statute in the back this act has been the first

[0:16:20] reading in the legislature in the last couple of days and contains an amendment proposed amendments

[0:16:27] amendments to the Islands Trust Act, and they have been implemented in Malaysia.

[0:16:35] These amendments respond to specific requests made by, quote, the Islands Trust directors,

[0:16:42] unquote.

[0:16:43] It's like three areas where the Islands Trust amended, and it was specific reference to

[0:16:53] first nations in the Address Objective Statement.

[0:16:57] It enables the Islands Trust to give financial support to community groups for activities

[0:17:05] that my streamlines apparently streamlines the you also have two

[0:17:40] members of this the select committee which oversees which may produce

[0:17:49] recommendations for

[0:17:50] Voice 1: changes to the act determine absolutely no publicity to the

[0:18:04] public that I need to amend the Islands Trust Act I'd like to be able to access

[0:18:18] access information as to when these amendments might have gone from the trust to the provincial

[0:18:31] government perhaps directly explain why the trust is taking this somewhat precipitous

[0:18:47] action rather than long-term studies that are being financed by tax dollars that may

[0:18:55] result in these amendments being ended up.

[0:19:02] Voice 3: Do you want to attempt to answer?

[0:19:04] Trustee McConchie: I think you're being asked.

[0:19:05] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, go ahead.

[0:19:06] Trustee McConchie: Okay. Well,

[0:19:07] Voice 3: thank you for your question. And one, the act doesn't belong to the Islands Trust. The act belongs to the province. The act is a feature of the province.

[0:19:18] Voice 3: my understanding is that none of us were elected last term that this uh update to the uh request

[0:19:25] Voice 3: for amendments were initiated by the press council of the previous term had initiated a process to

[0:19:33] Voice 3: identify options of what wanted to be looked at i think this is indicative of how long it

[0:19:41] Voice 3: takes to amend an act that belongs to the province that this started more than three years ago

[0:19:48] Voice 3: and i understand they started a lot of ideas and somehow they got garnered down through

[0:19:54] Voice 3: conversations with the kind of the staff because like i said this belongs to

[0:19:59] Voice 3: the provinces i mean the prevention staff as to what was uh considered and so uh this result like

[0:20:08] Voice 3: said this belonged to them and that this was uh what they decided to include i don't know

[0:20:14] Voice 3: of the poverty we've got more history on the organization longer as to this process that

[0:20:20] Voice 3: is unfolding right thank you um you're correct yeah last term trust council workshop

[0:20:28] Voice 3: amendments that they were going to consider and so a number of potential amendments were

[0:20:37] Voice 3: last term endorsed by trust council as these amendments trust council they would have liked

[0:20:46] Voice 3: to have seen to the act and disappear into the ministry small errors in this case what comes out

[0:20:54] is whatever

[0:21:02] Voice 3: reason in their wisdom the minister chose to advance those three amendments

[0:21:29] well

[0:21:50] Voice 3: it's an action can be amended it can be amended again as if new amendments are found

[0:21:57] Voice 3: There could be additional amendments. I don't know. I personally don't know about the process. This is something that happened

[0:22:03] Voice 3: How many readings or whether or not this amendment that's going through could be amended. I don't I don't know the process but

[0:22:14] Voice 3: This isn't this in my opinion does not close the door to future amendments and that these processes that we're going through

[0:22:21] Voice 3: If we recognize that there's more amendments that behave this console or future consoles can make those requests

[0:22:28] requests just like the previous one did oh if i could turn to to policy 183 document there are

[0:22:43] original ways of getting depth

[0:22:56] Voice 1: is do

[0:23:00] Trustee McConchie: you want anything started on it

[0:23:01] Voice 6: sure

[0:23:02] Trustee McConchie: okay um so to answer

[0:23:04] Trustee McConchie: your first question um the province does things without asking local governments all the time

[0:23:12] Trustee McConchie: In fact, I've been trying to get the road repaired from the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure for years, literally now, but we don't know, as Robert indicated in his comments, what secret little meetings go on in the province municipality.

[0:23:26] Trustee McConchie: So some type of covert thing taking place, I don't really quite understand what you're implying by your first question.

[0:23:34] Trustee McConchie: Now, the second one, with regards, it's not, it's actually, I mean, like, I know we're having a lot of conversations about political correctness, but Aboriginal actually refers to a person whose First Nations are from Australia.

[0:23:47] Trustee McConchie: So calling it, I've already discussed this with the people that wrote those words, it's actually what's called Indigenous ways of knowing.

[0:23:54] Trustee McConchie: And indigenous ways of knowing, the best advice I can give to you is to spend some time consulting and getting to know our First Nations communities.

[0:24:06] Trustee McConchie: There's meetings all the time with the WSANIC Leadership Board.

[0:24:10] Trustee McConchie: There's so many resources available.

[0:24:13] Trustee McConchie: There's a self-centered historical society that can teach you all the different indigenous ways of knowing.

[0:24:18] Trustee McConchie: And it takes a lifetime, actually, of learning to really understand that.

[0:24:21] Trustee McConchie: with regards to the policy statement how this is taking place it's it's a very complicated

[0:24:27] Trustee McConchie: term to get folks no understanding and engaged in what that means so you're actually asking

[0:24:32] Trustee McConchie: the question to begin with is the first step i think to this reconciliation initiative we're

[0:24:37] Trustee McConchie: taking place there's no direct answer to indigenous ways of knowing other than it's

[0:24:41] Trustee McConchie: both your personal journey that's how i interpret it

[0:24:44] Trustee Morrison: i'll add to that too oh sorry

[0:24:49] Trustee Morrison: So a couple things about that. First of all, draft bylaw number 183 is just that it's draft it hasn't been read into first reading yet. So there are a lot of things that may be altered and and addressed in that to clarify things.

[0:25:04] Trustee Morrison: And I would like to echo what Ben said, I literally spent today sitting in on the local communities indigenous peoples platform meeting, and I will for the next two days and that exact term came up in that meeting.

[0:25:17] Trustee Morrison: by indigenous people that were all over the world and they frame that that very thing as

[0:25:23] Trustee Morrison: indigenous people's ways of knowing and they push back on a singular definition the idea is that you

[0:25:29] Trustee Morrison: learn in place with people in your own community well

[0:25:34] Voice 1: i remain confused because as i understand

[0:25:37] Voice 1: the policy state the indigenous ways of knowing how to be uh you direct the local adult to use

[0:25:52] Voice 1: indigenous ways of knowing policy statements and their activities. So how exactly does an LTC meet this explicit directive of the Trust Council?

[0:26:13] How do we know if you can't tell me what an indigenous way of knowing is?

[0:26:19] I guess

[0:26:21] Voice 1: the converse of that is if there are indigenous ways of knowing, are there non-indigenous ways of knowing?

[0:26:28] Voice 1: I mean, really perplexed that when does this requirement get satisfied, who's going to

[0:26:37] tell the LTC that it's satisfied, would this be a thing that's satisfied, would this be

[0:26:45] a re-interrupt, a justification for a coordination, I mean, opposed to a particular bylaw, if

[0:26:54] it wasn't satisfied, I just have no idea.

[0:26:58] um

[0:27:04] Trustee Morrison: i'm happy to take that and then i think we should move on okay um so the dripa which is the

[0:27:12] Trustee Morrison: declaration of rights of indigenous peoples tells us that local government and all government fact

[0:27:17] Trustee Morrison: and coming all the way down from the under the un declaration that we need to have not only

[0:27:23] Trustee Morrison: consultation but informed consent um when we're working um with indigenous peoples in decisions

[0:27:30] Trustee Morrison: pertaining to their territories and and spaces and that is an area that the islands trust is

[0:27:36] Trustee Morrison: trying to figure out as we go forward and so to the point of what is indigenous ways of knowing

[0:27:41] Trustee Morrison: it is contextual and in conversation and community with with the first nations that are

[0:27:48] Trustee Morrison: whose territory we work in and so that is an emerging thing and it is uncomfortable for people

[0:27:57] Trustee Morrison: who are positioned in classic sort of structures that are colonial in nature and it is absolutely

[0:28:04] Trustee Morrison: true that there are non-indigenous ways of knowing we label them generally as science or like so they

[0:28:11] Trustee Morrison: but they are laden with values as well and so we need to think about that and question some of those

[0:28:17] Trustee Morrison: things um and so i would just leave it there for now this is an unfolding issue and

[0:28:23] Voice 3: i invite you

[0:28:24] Voice 3: to join us on this journey we don't have any answers this is a journey and as we as we move

[0:28:30] Voice 3: forward this is this is new ground in some ways that we're we're doing is that we're leading in

[0:28:36] Voice 3: how how this does unfold into our the way we make our decisions how we behave earlier today

[0:28:42] Voice 3: so i invite you to join us on that journey but

[0:28:46] Trustee McConchie: if i can add one more comment on this i

[0:28:49] Trustee McConchie: I understand you're unsatisfied with the answer, and that's okay.

[0:28:53] Trustee McConchie: We have done specific things with this local trust committee with regards to Indigenous ways of knowing.

[0:28:58] Trustee McConchie: For example, simply asking the leadership council, what do you think?

[0:29:02] Trustee McConchie: That's one way.

[0:29:04] Trustee McConchie: We've asked, this local trust committee has asked several occasions for their opinion on how to govern.

[0:29:11] Trustee McConchie: That's involving Indigenous ways of knowing.

[0:29:14] Trustee McConchie: It's an example.

[0:29:16] Trustee McConchie: now as this term unfolds and as we begin to learn new uh strategies for discussing this it is going

[0:29:24] Trustee McConchie: to be nebulous at times i agree however we this ltc which i'm extraordinarily proud of

[0:29:31] Trustee McConchie: has been re i consider rebuilt a relationship with wissanic people as a result of that

[0:29:37] Trustee McConchie: very thin race island ruined the island stress reputation as far as i'm concerned with first

[0:29:42] Trustee McConchie: nations now we've got this um work we've done with james island and we're sitting in these meetings

[0:29:48] Trustee McConchie: and the chief and the elders are saying thank goodness for the decision of the north pender

[0:29:52] Trustee McConchie: local trust committee so that's an example of indigenous ways of knowing us asking them

[0:30:00] Trustee McConchie: really important thanks thank

[0:30:02] Voice 2: you very much anyone else that wishes to address us today

[0:30:05] Voice 2: my name

[0:30:10] Voice 4: is michael sketch north penderhans the trustee is i speak i speak to today's agenda

[0:30:16] Voice 4: request but am i heard on that i

[0:30:20] Voice 3: believe so yep i

[0:30:22] Voice 4: speak to today's agenda request for for a referral

[0:30:26] Voice 4: response to Council's draft Trust Policy Statement, By-law 183. I'll refer to the

[0:30:33] Voice 4: by-law as the TPS. The current TPS has had 25 years to demonstrate effective

[0:30:42] Voice 4: implementation of trust area policies on the shop floor of each LTC jurisdiction

[0:30:49] and in the day-to-day actions of planning staff. There are too many examples of

[0:30:57] failures where trust policy has not been preserved and protected where ecosystems have been set aside

[0:31:05] for

[0:31:05] Voice 4: the built environment reasons for failure published on the 2050 website in that tps review

[0:31:17] Voice 4: has become a major commitment for violence trust staff and its budget it is improbable

[0:31:25] Voice 4: the council will agree to further TPS amendment in the foreseeable future.

[0:31:31] Voice 4: This trust council must act to ensure that trust area policies are credible.

[0:31:40] Voice 4: Therefore, please respond to the referral request as follows,

[0:31:46] that a trust TPS, that a draft TPS, should only proceed first reading when I have three points.

[0:31:54] TPS

[0:31:56] Voice 4: content is entirely policy, which carries out, that is, implements, the object of the

[0:32:06] Voice 4: trust, and trust area policies will have force and effect as a consequence of the adopted

[0:32:13] model.

[0:32:15] Point two, TPS policy is explicit in

[0:32:21] Voice 4: that the trust area environment is the sum of its

[0:32:24] Voice 4: built and natural environment parts point three gps structure is explicit in stating the obligation

[0:32:36] that trust body actions are consistent with trusted area policies and that there be no

[0:32:42] indication that a local trust area may determine whether to implement or not to implement trust

[0:32:50] trust area policies.

[0:32:52] Voice 4: Thank you for your attention to this

[0:32:54] Voice 4: watershed opportunity to correct failures in the current TPS.

[0:33:00] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:33:03] Voice 3: Anyone else that wants to address this today? Thank you

[0:33:09] Voice 3: very much. And your comments are very important to this trust

[0:33:14] Voice 3: committee. Reach out to your trustees and emails you can send

[0:33:17] Voice 3: to the individual trustees or to southinfo at islands with an s

[0:33:23] Voice 3: Or if your questions are about the policy statement, it's islands, with an S, 2050, at islandstrust.bc.ca.

[0:33:33] Voice 3: So we do want to hear from you and look forward to the many opportunities that will be coming for you to be engaged in the policy statement, which is a federation activity.

[0:33:44] Voice 2: Okay, trustees, we'll move on.

[0:33:47] Voice 2: so

[0:33:47] Voice 3: we have some minutes from the uh regular meeting from july 29th that seems like an awful

[0:33:54] Voice 3: long time ago uh that is here for adoption are there any additions or corrections to those minutes

[0:33:59] Trustee McConchie: on july

[0:34:01] Voice 3: 29th on page four

[0:34:02] Trustee McConchie: i have one uh addition to the minutes and it's not a big deal

[0:34:08] Trustee McConchie: uh but it didn't state that we had a moment of silence honoring uh the residential school

[0:34:17] breaks i just thought in the minutes it's important to

[0:34:21] Trustee McConchie: state that i just read them over

[0:34:23] Trustee McConchie: it's it's stated we recognize them but i thought we actually spent a minute

[0:34:26] Trustee McConchie: pause and i want the minutes to reflect that that's okay

[0:34:30] Voice 3: i'm i'm fine is that right i've seen

[0:34:32] Voice 3: christine morrison so uh that we could add that i'm i'm making this conscious for you so i need

[0:34:38] Voice 3: to record a specific so we're

[0:34:41] Voice 2: requesting under under

[0:34:43] Voice 3: the call to order um where after it said

[0:34:46] Voice 3: that i uh acknowledge the uh that uh uh i guess it was i know it was you it was uh trustee mccarthy

[0:34:59] Trustee McConchie: recognition of discovery of the grades uh at the kamloops residential school

[0:35:04] Trustee McConchie: are

[0:35:09] Voice 3: there any other additions or changes okay so we approved those minutes as amended for general

[0:35:17] Voice 3: consent and then we have the next minutes for from a special meeting on september 7th

[0:35:25] are there any additions or changes to that that's on page 10 of the agenda package

[0:35:29] okay so

[0:35:32] Voice 3: we can approve those um we have um just so you know that we don't have the minutes we

[0:35:39] did have a special meeting

[0:35:40] Voice 3: last friday so those minutes aren't prepared yet i just want to

[0:35:45] Voice 3: acknowledge that that did occur and that will be it was done virtually and that video should

[0:35:50] Voice 3: should be available now if you want to if you didn't see that meeting on them we

[0:35:54] Voice 3: had discussed the approach of the project the land use bylaw review project was the topics

[0:36:01] Voice 3: that we discussed about meeting so minutes will be at our next one

[0:36:05] Voice 2: okay we have our resolutions

[0:36:07] Voice 3: without meetings log here of course we did and then we have the agricultural planning commission

[0:36:14] Voice 3: minutes here for information. We'll talk about that later under new business. Okay, we have a follow-up action list on page 17 of the agenda. Are there any questions for staff or anything that staff wish to point out from not seeing any nods? Any questions, Ms. Morrison?

[0:36:36] Voice 3: no

[0:36:38] Trustee Morrison: i think i'm okay with that i i had a little bit of curiosity about the timeline if if i sorry

[0:36:45] Trustee Morrison: which i i just want to make sure i'm on the right page for the follow-up action let's give me the

[0:36:49] Trustee Morrison: page number page

[0:36:50] Voice 3: 17 okay thank

[0:36:52] Trustee Morrison: you um yeah it is so um i did have a question about the the

[0:36:58] Trustee Morrison: request for helicopter use because that is inside the land use bylaw review work that we're doing

[0:37:04] Trustee Morrison: and we had provided some language so i just kind of needed to understand where that is related to

[0:37:09] Trustee Morrison: the land use bylaw work so

[0:37:13] Voice 3: you're correct uh trustee morrison it's in the draft there's a

[0:37:16] Voice 3: language in the draft so this item was for the north bender island local trust community to

[0:37:22] Voice 3: advocate to prohibit helicopter use in the area trust services to follow up so i expect that

[0:37:32] that Director Frater would probably have some questions about how to follow up

[0:37:39] Voice 3: on this topic,

[0:37:41] Voice 3: if that's still the LTC's wish, or if the LTC is satisfied, I suppose, with the land use bylaw.

[0:37:52] Trustee Morrison: No, that's great. I would leave it on there then. Thanks for the clarification.

[0:37:56] Trustee Morrison: And maybe what we can do is if you can share with her whatever we come up with in the land use bylaw project

[0:38:02] Trustee Morrison: as part of that information, sharing more broadly into the trust.

[0:38:07] Voice 2: any stuff did you have anything you wanted to address uh

[0:38:12] Trustee McConchie: no i did not other than uh indicating

[0:38:15] nature regarding cj crd letter to be sent target dates with

[0:38:20] Trustee McConchie: regards to the letter to the crd

[0:38:21] Trustee McConchie: it's completed do we get a response from the crd this is on the this is on page 17. ltc requests

[0:38:29] Trustee McConchie: staff draft a letter to the crd indicating a need for improved communication regarding any crd

[0:38:34] Trustee McConchie: projects just wondering if we received it they've been writing us back okay

[0:38:39] Voice 3: we

[0:38:40] Trustee McConchie: sent that back in

[0:38:41] Trustee McConchie: june that's funny we were trying to try to improve communications and we haven't heard

[0:38:46] Trustee McConchie: a response from them and it's october we'll

[0:38:51] Voice 3: follow any

[0:38:52] Voice 2: other items

[0:38:53] Voice 3: okay great so we'll move on so we

[0:39:05] Voice 3: have a number of applications before us today so i'm going to give the applications i'll call

[0:39:10] Voice 3: the application on the staff report uh at the staff report the applicant will be invited to

[0:39:15] Voice 3: address us if they have any comments and then we'll discuss them so all right our first

[0:39:22] Voice 3: application is a development permit 21.5 by brazil um and over to you planner

[0:39:35] Voice 3: So thank you, Chair Patrick. This is for 3703 Lookout Crescent, and it's the development permit application for measures sensitive riparian aquatic ecosystem and construction management for demolition and construction within development permit area 10, the riparian and aquatic area.

[0:39:55] Voice 3: So the extent of development is the demolition of the existing dwelling, and the applicant

[0:40:03] Voice 3: will also be constructing a small accessory building which is entirely outside of the

[0:40:08] Voice 3: DPA and is not part of the application.

[0:40:11] Voice 3: The siting of the proposed dwelling has been shown in Figure 2 of the staff report on the

[0:40:16] Voice 3: agenda.

[0:40:18] Voice 3: And accordingly, the applicant hired Riquela Lorenda who submitted a comprehensive environmental

[0:40:30] Voice 3: assessment.

[0:40:31] Voice 3: That includes the required submitted to and approved by the Provincial Ministry of Forest

[0:40:44] Voice 3: Lands and other things.

[0:40:46] Voice 3: That report determined that there are no rare species, species at risk, and species of special

[0:40:57] interest or critical habitat itself, and that only moderate potential for one sensitive

[0:41:03] Voice 3: plant species and 17 sensitive animal species.

[0:41:06] Voice 3: So the Streamside Protection and Enhancement Area, which is an acronym of SPIA, was assigned

[0:41:13] Voice 3: at 15 meters perpendicular to the high water mark, and that gave measures for protection

[0:41:18] Voice 3: and enhancement.

[0:41:19] Voice 3: And the report concluded that if the recommendations for construction and avoidance and minimization

[0:41:25] Voice 3: measures are implemented correctly, then the proposed development is not expected to result

[0:41:30] Voice 3: in any significant environmental damage.

[0:41:32] Voice 3: The recommendations of the report, the environmental assessment measures, have been incorporated

[0:41:38] Voice 3: it to the proposed draft. And staff recommendation is that the DP be approved for issuance, and

[0:41:46] Voice 3: the rationale being that the objectives and specific guidelines of the DPA have been met,

[0:41:50] Voice 3: all relevant recommendations of the assessment report, as proposed DP, and that finally implementing

[0:41:59] Voice 3: and monitoring the conditions of the draft DP will ensure the protection of the sensitive

[0:42:03] Voice 3: librarian and the client. So that's the summary of my report. I believe Noor is from the representative

[0:42:13] Voice 3: and for the applicant, sorry, it's A.J. I.A. Heston-Hulks is here as well.

[0:42:23] Voice 3: Is there

[0:42:23] Voice 3: anything you'd like to add or state at this time?

[0:42:27] Voice 4: No, because I'm not completely familiar with this project.

[0:42:32] Some other staff members were doing all the front and front restrictions.

[0:42:37] Voice 3: I know.

[0:42:47] Voice 2: Well, thank you, and we'll initiate our conversations,

[0:42:50] Voice 2: and we may or may not have questions for you.

[0:42:52] Voice 2: So, trustees, over to you.

[0:42:55] Trustee McConchie: Trustee Morrison, do you want to go first, or do you have any questions?

[0:42:57] Trustee Morrison: yeah i have a couple questions on this on this um so thanks for all the information it was super

[0:43:03] Trustee Morrison: helpful i have a couple like really general questions for um phil and robert first um so

[0:43:09] Trustee Morrison: we've had a few of these dpas that are related to riparian and i feel like we're getting a little

[0:43:15] Trustee Morrison: bit of difference between what happens in the spia the 15 meter versus what happens in the 30

[0:43:22] Trustee Morrison: meter management zone and so I just want some clarity around the idea because like in this

[0:43:28] Trustee Morrison: particular case the house sits right in the 30 meter management zone but I was thinking that

[0:43:34] Trustee Morrison: one of the ones on Buck Lake that we dealt with had had trees cut in the management zone and that

[0:43:39] Trustee Morrison: was actually really considered to be detrimental so I just need some clarity on what is supposed

[0:43:44] Trustee Morrison: supposed to be happening in the management zone versus the SPIA?

[0:43:49] Voice 3: So the SPIA, there's the two aspects of it.

[0:43:54] Voice 3: And as you pointed out, there's a development permit area, which actually also marries with

[0:44:01] Voice 3: what's called the right parent assessment area, which is established by what the QEP

[0:44:07] Voice 3: or the professional biologist is tasked with assessing.

[0:44:12] So our development permit area extends back to 30 meters as is that.

[0:44:17] Voice 3: When they establish a SPIA, it can be

[0:44:20] Voice 3: 15 meters, it can be 10 meters, it can be 30 meters.

[0:44:23] Voice 3: It's based on methodology and that's based on inputs for riparian systems.

[0:44:29] Voice 3: So that area establishes essentially a no-build, no-development area and it's a protected area

[0:44:37] Voice 3: moving ahead.

[0:44:39] Voice 3: We really rely on the constraints of the process and the input of the actual biological assessment,

[0:44:47] Voice 3: or in this case, the environmental assessment, to give us any guidance on the area essentially

[0:44:54] Voice 3: between, in this case, 15 and 30 metres.

[0:44:57] Voice 3: So I don't know if that helps to explain, but in each individual circumstance, this

[0:45:03] Voice 3: is professional reliance.

[0:45:04] Voice 3: So we're relying on the biologists to make assessments about the location of development

[0:45:09] Voice 3: and given the nature of this property existing setbacks the size of the property putting the

[0:45:15] Voice 3: house outside of the dpa exclusively would be very challenging and require variances and

[0:45:22] Voice 3: may not even have any benefit so so yeah if i may um so because there's there's two different

[0:45:30] Voice 3: kind of regulatory regimes with these right varying areas one is the provincial protection

[0:45:37] Voice 3: And so, like Phil was saying, the way that regulation works is providing the establishment

[0:45:50] Voice 3: of a SPIA within the 30-meter assessment area, and then basically saying, well, you can't

[0:45:57] Voice 3: permit anything further in the SPIA.

[0:46:00] Voice 3: However, the local government, we've also designated the development permit area the

[0:46:06] Voice 3: same as the 70-meter assessment area.

[0:46:08] Voice 3: So potentially,

[0:46:10] Voice 3: through the development permit process, additional conditions could be applied

[0:46:14] Voice 3: outside of the spia so in one case maybe the file just is identified there's a significant tree it's

[0:46:22] Voice 3: not in the spia but it's in that 30 meter assessment area so you can use your development

[0:46:29] Voice 3: okay

[0:46:35] Trustee Morrison: um that

[0:46:38] Voice 3: too is that um we have seen spias only once set at 30 meters which is

[0:46:45] Voice 3: completely owner and it can be quite uh restrictive on the property itself obviously

[0:46:50] Voice 3: And the other thing is that we should also note that this TPA extends over the water,

[0:46:55] Voice 3: so and that brings in a whole other water sustainability act, but in this case that

[0:47:00] Voice 3: doesn't have any application.

[0:47:06] Trustee Morrison: So for anybody listening that sounds incredibly bureaucratic and complicated to get any kind

[0:47:11] Trustee Morrison: of land developed on a lake, which I understand, but so I guess the other question that I have

[0:47:18] Trustee Morrison: is when I read through this, I do know the site

[0:47:23] Trustee Morrison: and I don't really have a concern

[0:47:26] Trustee Morrison: with the house being situated where it is

[0:47:28] Trustee Morrison: because of the prior building on the site and et cetera.

[0:47:31] Trustee Morrison: But I think one of the things that I have a concern about

[0:47:34] Trustee Morrison: with the report is that the SPIA in its actual name

[0:47:38] Trustee Morrison: has enhancement, protection and enhancement.

[0:47:42] Trustee Morrison: And I don't really understand what the enhancement component

[0:47:46] Trustee Morrison: of the SPIA is right now.

[0:47:48] Trustee Morrison: And so if I could have that clarified.

[0:47:51] Voice 3: So again, that relies on what we get back

[0:47:54] Voice 3: from the, through the biologist report.

[0:47:59] Voice 3: So if the biologist doesn't recommend any enhancement,

[0:48:02] Voice 3: I mean, they do in the actual permit itself

[0:48:08] Voice 3: as it's drafted, we staff some,

[0:48:15] Voice 3: they're more guidance.

[0:48:16] Voice 3: that's not necessarily have to or absolutes, but the removal of invasive species and replacement

[0:48:28] with indigenous species,

[0:48:31] Voice 3: et cetera, they would put that in there, but I was going to say,

[0:48:37] Voice 3: if there's no specific recommendation for restoration or plantings, then that doesn't

[0:48:46] Voice 3: necessarily make it into the VP itself. The trustees could ask for further information

[0:48:57] but staff are not biologists and don't necessarily have the ability to

[0:49:02] Voice 3: place those in there.

[0:49:10] Trustee Morrison: Yes and I think this is also telling me that I'm getting less and less enamored with professional

[0:49:15] Trustee Morrison: recommendation not because our professionals are incompetent they are great but they're they're

[0:49:21] Trustee Morrison: employed in a way that's not necessarily what the outlands trust mandate is and so i'm concerned

[0:49:27] Trustee Morrison: that enhancement issues aren't specifically outlined in here when we know and this last

[0:49:32] Trustee Morrison: year alone we had incredible stress on aquatic systems so like planting of shade species native

[0:49:38] Trustee Morrison: shade species across the shoreline should be default for any biologist right now going forward

[0:49:44] Trustee Morrison: and so I I'm a little concerned that that's not in here and I would like to see it added

[0:49:54] Voice 2: so how would we deal with would we have to ask because it is a professional reliance to ask for

[0:49:59] Voice 3: that additional information yes I just want to get the recommendation so here he said you'd have

[0:50:07] Voice 3: to specifically ask for additional information on enhancement I

[0:50:11] Trustee Morrison: yeah I don't really need

[0:50:12] Trustee Morrison: information i just need enhancements included well so can

[0:50:18] Voice 4: you i guess the question if you give

[0:50:22] Voice 4: a specific condition

[0:50:24] Voice 3: that would be put into the otherwise we could amend the

[0:50:36] Voice 2: permit now

[0:50:38] Voice 2: before we go back to the biologist

[0:50:42] Trustee Morrison: yeah so maybe if trustee mcgonaghy wants to weigh on any of this

[0:50:45] Trustee Morrison: i would love to hear his thoughts on this but from my perspective i i really like i live on

[0:50:51] Trustee Morrison: on lakeshore waterfront.

[0:50:52] Trustee Morrison: We have to be planting, you know,

[0:50:55] Trustee Morrison: shaped species on the waterfront.

[0:50:58] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, I mean, okay, so my main questions

[0:51:01] Trustee McConchie: are just kind of broader, which is what is Magic Lake?

[0:51:05] Trustee McConchie: It's kind of a swamp full of invasive species.

[0:51:09] Trustee McConchie: It's stagnant water.

[0:51:11] Trustee McConchie: It's an unhealthy water system as far as I am concerned,

[0:51:16] Trustee McConchie: but I have no response from the Magic Lake

[0:51:18] Trustee McConchie: Water and Sewer Committee right now,

[0:51:20] Trustee McConchie: which is why i added that to new business i wanted to find out what their plan was because it's

[0:51:24] Trustee McConchie: because if you look at the history of this um area as robert you've pointed out and filled several

[0:51:30] Trustee McConchie: times the lots go into the lake when you live on magic lake like the lot goes into where the water

[0:51:36] Trustee McConchie: is so i was wondering robert like maybe you know historically did they add this dpa as like

[0:51:42] Trustee McConchie: thinking like hey what happens what if that can stop someone from filling in the rest of their lot

[0:51:47] Trustee McConchie: potentially there's a government oversight kind of saying wait a second don't fill in the rest of

[0:51:53] Trustee McConchie: your lot on the lake like do you get what i'm saying because magic lake as far as i'm concerned

[0:51:57] Trustee McConchie: sensitive ecosystem like really like if i saw uh fish jumping and like you know if i saw a real

[0:52:06] Trustee McConchie: life to this ecosystem i'd be like hey this makes sense this makes for the sense for this gentleman

[0:52:10] Trustee McConchie: and this property owner to go through all this stuff right um but right now it doesn't make much

[0:52:16] Trustee McConchie: sense if it's not a holistic solution to making this lake healthy it's sort of an impediment to

[0:52:22] Trustee McConchie: to folks building a home uh so i'm almost done with my comments here uh so for example like in

[0:52:30] Trustee McConchie: in the i read the biologist report and it's interesting to go through their sources like

[0:52:35] Trustee McConchie: what a great day for a biologist they come to pender and they look around they go yeah i know

[0:52:39] Trustee McConchie: this isn't a sensitive ecosystem like that i think i mean it's what a great day uh for example one

[0:52:45] Trustee McConchie: their sources is lakelovers.com and that's their information on the history of magic lake right if

[0:52:53] Trustee McConchie: you actually look at their sources so they're there's then they looked at that source to find

[0:52:57] Trustee McConchie: out that shingle creek is the stream that's supposed to be protecting salmon or something

[0:53:03] Trustee McConchie: that's going in there like it doesn't make any sense to me this dpa makes no sense so i'm

[0:53:08] Trustee McConchie: wondering if there's any historical kind of connections that can make this make more sense

[0:53:13] Trustee McConchie: to me so i can better understand it well

[0:53:16] Voice 3: this dpa was put in place as a result of provincial

[0:53:20] Voice 3: legislation requiring to protect harrian areas and the purpose of the provincial legislation

[0:53:29] Voice 3: that's that's there were some other elements of the department area basically extending it

[0:53:43] Voice 3: over but otherwise the ltc of the day is to meet the minimum requirements so we're left

[0:54:15] Trustee McConchie: we still have to hire a biologist to prove that it's not a sensitive ecosystem when

[0:54:19] Trustee McConchie: what i'm asking like what why what are we doing here

[0:54:23] Trustee McConchie: i

[0:54:28] Voice 3: guess what i'm

[0:54:41] Trustee McConchie: saying is okay we're covering our bases here at the trust

[0:54:44] Trustee McConchie: but what i'm seeing is not like it's not working like this dpa is is all it is right now

[0:54:50] Trustee McConchie: is a check for the person that's buying or building a house to double check to make sure

[0:54:56] Trustee McConchie: they're not building it in the lake basically because because the thing about it right it's

[0:55:00] Trustee McConchie: something's not making sense here the lake is stagnant and it's full of milfoil and it's not

[0:55:05] Trustee McConchie: healthy and we're here we are hiring biologists to say yeah it's not a sensitive ecosystem so

[0:55:12] Trustee McConchie: what is the point of this

[0:55:13] Voice 3: exercise absence of the regulation someone could build a house as close

[0:55:19] Voice 3: thing it's seven and a half years to the lake so they're now

[0:55:22] Voice 3: another seven and a half construction

[0:55:25] Voice 3: and that's just the zoning setback they could do all sorts of land alteration right down to them

[0:55:31] Voice 3: without the dpa within the absence of the dpa and that's the absence of that development permit area

[0:55:38] Voice 3: 50 years has resulted in magically now and so through the development permit process on new

[0:55:57] Voice 3: development set it back further alteration of the land spia and potentially incrementally

[0:56:07] Voice 3: development by development reduce the impacts okay so

[0:56:20] Trustee McConchie: hopefully now this is great i appreciate the

[0:56:22] explanation because it sounds like the trust is covering its

[0:56:24] Trustee McConchie: bases here in order to protect the

[0:56:26] Trustee McConchie: lake but we stop right in the border of the full of property owners right or just or how far into

[0:56:32] Trustee McConchie: of the lake because our jurisdiction is not.

[0:56:33] Trustee McConchie: The aquatic portion goes right over the lake.

[0:56:35] Voice 3: Buck Lake and Magic Lake.

[0:56:37] Voice 3: So if you

[0:56:38] Voice 3: wanted to go to the dock

[0:56:39] Voice 3: in Magic Lake, say you didn't

[0:56:42] Voice 3: do any work in the right area on the outplanes.

[0:56:44] Voice 3: What

[0:56:47] Trustee McConchie: if we want to get rid of all the mill foil?

[0:56:49] Trustee McConchie: You say you. Well, whatever.

[0:56:53] Trustee McConchie: The government's all made up, right?

[0:56:56] Trustee McConchie: So we're trying to solve the problem.

[0:56:57] Trustee McConchie: Magic Lake needs to be healthier.

[0:57:00] Trustee McConchie: That way we can justify people

[0:57:01] Trustee McConchie: spending their time and money on biologist reports.

[0:57:04] Trustee McConchie: Right now it's like,

[0:57:05] Trustee McConchie: what are we spending money on a biology report

[0:57:07] Trustee McConchie: or for when the lake is essentially a dead lake as you get what i'm saying

[0:57:12] Voice 3: well we're looking at

[0:57:13] Voice 3: different levels right now you're looking at the development level it's a good question perhaps

[0:57:19] Voice 3: there should be maybe there is an overall management plan for the lake i don't know

[0:57:24] Voice 3: the province is the owner of the resource of the water it's the province um but what you're

[0:57:31] Voice 3: identifying what i'm hearing more is we should have an overall management plan for the lake

[0:57:35] Voice 3: with objectives to improve the quality and this is just one piece of one of those options

[0:57:41] Voice 6: and

[0:57:42] Voice 3: actually the crd owns a plan as a way specifically you see like like

[0:57:51] Voice 3: president says the watch going to the lake and then they stop and there's a big watch

[0:57:55] Voice 3: underneath the lake and that's only like a crd

[0:57:57] Trustee McConchie: so the crd owns this is so crazy

[0:58:04] Trustee McConchie: The CRD owns the bottom of what used to be called Dead Cow Slough.

[0:58:08] Trustee McConchie: The province owns the water in the lake.

[0:58:11] Trustee McConchie: And the Islands Trust owns the, or runs the jurisdiction of the lake shoreline, or whatever you call it.

[0:58:19] Trustee McConchie: I might not understand.

[0:58:19] Trustee McConchie: It's zoning on

[0:58:20] Voice 3: top of it all.

[0:58:21] Voice 3: Right.

[0:58:22] Voice 3: I'm just going to add to Robert.

[0:58:24] Voice 3: Robert, and I think, and we've stated this before,

[0:58:27] Voice 3: but you've raised this question most times when we have this,

[0:58:30] Voice 3: is that, and it's really just adding to what Robert's saying,

[0:58:33] Voice 3: is that you have to kind of, and I think maybe Deb,

[0:58:36] Voice 3: I'm sorry, or Trustee Morrison will weigh in on this,

[0:58:38] Voice 3: is that you have to look at the trajectory of this,

[0:58:41] Voice 3: and when you're doing this one by one,

[0:58:44] Voice 3: there's a cumulative impact that will occur.

[0:58:46] Voice 3: And to Trustee Morrison's point earlier,

[0:58:49] Voice 3: if you're enhancing those SPIAs, it is going to improve

[0:58:53] Voice 3: Yeah,

[0:58:53] Trustee McConchie: so we just basically, I mean, would you guys be amenable to adding some, you know,

[0:59:03] Trustee McConchie: would you see what we're trying to do?

[0:59:04] Trustee McConchie: We're trying to make the lake healthy, this area for your clients, right?

[0:59:09] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, I can see the confusion there with different layers of government.

[0:59:15] Trustee McConchie: My question is, would your clients be amenable to putting some, I guess, what is it, Trustee

[0:59:20] Trustee McConchie: morrison some what i mean what plants we plant there tell them to plant yeah i

[0:59:26] Trustee McConchie: don't know the

[0:59:27] Trustee McConchie: biology of it what are we telling them to enhance you're asking what to enhance as part of the dp

[0:59:31] Trustee Morrison: well right and so like the way i think we would do it is we would kick it back and basically say

[0:59:37] Trustee Morrison: that we're requesting the applicant to provide more information about enhancement strategies

[0:59:41] Trustee Morrison: within their permit and the enhancement strategies meets the goals that laura talked about earlier

[0:59:46] Trustee Morrison: they are supposed to be improving the water quality with respect to fish health regardless

[0:59:51] Trustee Morrison: Regardless of if there's fish there or not right now, there's a lot that can be done to improve the habitat for fish health and reduce the impact of invasive.

[1:00:00] Trustee Morrison: species okay

[1:00:02] Voice 4: if i could comment on that yeah i mean if you look at the picture you can see that

[1:00:06] Voice 4: there's there's actually no development on the front side of the property that faces it

[1:00:11] Voice 4: and then the owners have no no plan to do anything with that at all

[1:00:16] it's natural state right now if there's something that you'd like to

[1:00:22] the trustee to refer to as a to enhance what the natural state is now i'm sure you want to be

[1:00:29] be willing to look at that and go ahead

[1:00:31] Voice 1: what's involved that sure um

[1:00:35] Voice 3: kind of habitat of plants

[1:00:38] Voice 3: yeah and

[1:00:43] Trustee Morrison: so i would be happy with just like and and to phil's comment earlier like i would be

[1:00:48] Trustee Morrison: happy if we just included if somebody could get the terminology that's needed to include planting

[1:00:54] Trustee Morrison: of native shade species along the shoreline that's what i'm looking for because that is known to

[1:00:59] Trustee Morrison: improve fish habitat because it creates fry space for like fried to hide out do

[1:01:05] Voice 2: you so you want to

[1:01:06] Voice 2: do that as an amendment to the permit or to ask i'd

[1:01:09] Trustee Morrison: be i'd be happy if we amended the permit that

[1:01:11] Trustee Morrison: way because then we're enhancing the shoreline okay well

[1:01:20] Trustee McConchie: then it's asking

[1:01:21] Voice 3: yeah

[1:01:23] Trustee McConchie: i'd be willing to

[1:01:25] Trustee McConchie: uh well i don't know just anymore so if you want to move the motion uh then or with the amendment

[1:01:31] Trustee McConchie: we

[1:01:32] Voice 3: need to figure out the amendment you want to figure

[1:01:33] Voice 3: it out okay just when you're wording it

[1:01:36] I can try and work with what you may want to say under the guidance or

[1:01:42] Voice 3: supervision of the

[1:01:44] Voice 3: molecular community yeah

[1:01:46] Trustee Morrison: just

[1:01:48] Voice 3: so it puts it back into their the

[1:01:52] Trustee Morrison: biologist the minus for the yeah

[1:01:55] Trustee Morrison: for the professional biologist so let me see if I can get this um I apologize in advance Shannon

[1:02:00] Trustee Morrison: so um that the North Pender Local Trust Committee requests that the applicant of development permit

[1:02:06] Trustee Morrison: npdp 2021.5 uh rusello sorry i hope i'm saying that right rusello um provide or include

[1:02:19] Trustee Morrison: um planting just give me one second permit

[1:02:24] Voice 3: needs to be amended to require sorry

[1:02:27] Trustee Morrison: amend the permit

[1:02:29] Trustee Morrison: okay so that whatever that language is for amendment to include um planting of native

[1:02:37] Trustee Morrison: species for shade

[1:02:39] Trustee Morrison: along the waterfront under the direction

[1:02:41] Trustee Morrison: of the professional biologist.

[1:02:44] Voice 2: QEP?

[1:02:46] Voice 3: What's the problem?

[1:02:48] Voice 3: That's great.

[1:02:49] Trustee Morrison: The

[1:02:50] Voice 3: monitoring of a QEP?

[1:02:53] Voice 3: Monitoring.

[1:02:54] Voice 3: The monitoring.

[1:02:57] Voice 3: That

[1:02:58] Trustee Morrison: would be great.

[1:02:59] Trustee Morrison: I'd be happy with that.

[1:03:00] Voice 2: We'll give Shannon a moment

[1:03:02] Voice 2: and have her read that back

[1:03:03] Voice 2: before we second so we can work with it.

[1:03:05] Voice 2: When you're ready, Shannon,

[1:03:06] Voice 2: what is what's qb stand for

[1:03:09] Voice 3: qualified environmental professional actually right away it's actually

[1:03:28] Voice 3: the crd sooner it's soon yes yes no we're

[1:03:42] Voice 2: only we're only hearing

[1:03:43] Voice 3: this one application at this

[1:03:45] Voice 3: moment sorry your parent next time but

[1:03:53] Trustee Morrison: from the from the point that we're trying to get better

[1:03:56] Trustee Morrison: at holistic planning as opposed to whack-a-mole planning like this would be something i'd want

[1:04:00] Trustee Morrison: to see on any riparian personally okay

[1:04:04] Voice 3: so the north pender island local trust committee amend

[1:04:07] Voice 3: mpdp 2021.5 to include planting of native species for shade of waterfront under the guidance and

[1:04:15] Voice 3: under the guidance of a monitoring qualified environmental profession does that sound

[1:04:22] Voice 3: all right does that sound good

[1:04:23] Voice 3: to you that

[1:04:25] Trustee Morrison: sounds good thank you very much so moved i just second

[1:04:29] Voice 3: the motion any discussion no

[1:04:32] Trustee Morrison: thank you for the the language smithing all

[1:04:36] Voice 2: right uh i'll follow

[1:04:37] Voice 2: vote then all those in favor all right

[1:04:40] Voice 2: there we go uh that's carrie all

[1:04:44] Voice 3: right are there any other

[1:04:45] Voice 3: amendments to the uh otherwise we need to uh approve the amended permit which is on page 20

[1:04:52] Voice 3: is a suggested recommendation i'm

[1:04:58] Trustee Morrison: good with it as it stands and yep

[1:05:01] Voice 3: do you want to make that

[1:05:02] Voice 3: motion oh i can

[1:05:03] Voice 3: make the motion yeah

[1:05:04] Trustee McConchie: sorry what page is it on page 20. uh that the north pender

[1:05:07] Trustee McConchie: island the north local trust committee approved issuance of development permit and pdp 2021.5

[1:05:14] Trustee McConchie: rosello as excuse me as amended thank you is there

[1:05:18] Voice 3: a second second

[1:05:19] Trustee McConchie: any discussion

[1:05:21] Voice 3: I'll call the vote. All those in favor. That's great. So thank

[1:05:26] Voice 2: you very much.

[1:05:28] Voice 3: One question to draw one. Sure. So what does that actually add an

[1:05:34] Trustee McConchie: amendment to it?

[1:05:34] Trustee McConchie: We've

[1:05:35] Voice 3: amended the permit and issued it.

[1:05:37] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, so you have your permit if you have to adhere to the amendments we just made.

[1:05:46] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:05:48] Trustee McConchie: Thanks for coming in today.

[1:05:50] Voice 3: The next application is another Development Permit 2021.1, Shresth, and it's on page 94

[1:05:59] Voice 3: of the Agenda Package, and over to my next customer.

[1:06:03] Voice 3: This is for the easement area of 262 Spyglass Road, and the purpose of the application is

[1:06:14] Voice 3: similar to the same measures for protection of the sensitive bacteria ecosystem and for

[1:06:20] Voice 3: construction management and that's for the proposed installation of the sanitary sewer connection

[1:06:25] within uh

[1:06:26] Voice 3: dpa 10. so again referencing figure two that's part of the staff report um the applicant

[1:06:32] Voice 3: um is the owner of block 148 which is that she supports by glass they may have rights

[1:06:40] Voice 3: to an easement that extends eastward from the northwest corner of that property

[1:06:44] Voice 3: across the top of uh sorry across lot 147 and that's on the north portion of 149. sorry to the

[1:06:56] Voice 3: north of that uh and that leads to the crd sewer right away and to the shoreline of buckley and

[1:07:01] Voice 3: that that easement agreement between the two properties um permits the owner of lot 148 to

[1:07:07] Voice 3: install and maintain a mandatory sewer line and a water line and foot access to the lake

[1:07:13] Voice 3: so there's no tree removal required or imposed as part of this application so the construction

[1:07:20] Voice 3: of the sewer line is for a new dwelling that's under construction on lot 148 and the extended

[1:07:26] Voice 3: development just limited to the excavation installation and restoration of that sewer line

[1:07:31] Voice 3: sorry restoration after the fact and that restoration includes basically native grass

[1:07:38] Voice 3: seeding of the disturbed areas. The proposed methods of excavation and

[1:07:46] Voice 3: construction have been discussed with the contractors and they indicated that, in my conversation with them, that hand digging is impractical and could be more damaging due to the length of time that soils would be exposed, particularly in a rain event, and longer than an approximate day it would take for a small excavator to do the work.

[1:08:13] Voice 3: As I say it was the machinery is going to be limited to what's described as a mini excavator

[1:08:20] Voice 3: and on the question of accessing to do that work if it's not possible from rock 147 they

[1:08:28] Voice 3: have alternatives to either access via the CRD sewer right of way or then the craning

[1:08:35] Voice 3: it from rock 148.

[1:08:37] Voice 3: I'll just note that that easement area is only two meters wide which does pose some

[1:08:44] Voice 3: complications um but the owner does have

[1:08:49] Voice 3: an alternative to connect to the crd lateral main

[1:08:51] Voice 3: above on supply glass road however uplift less desirable to the app as opposed to the gravity

[1:09:02] Voice 3: system which the applicants fired dave gooding of gooding hydrology and he prepared and submitted a

[1:09:11] Voice 3: wrapper or assessment report again that was the provincial ministry of course

[1:09:16] Voice 3: plants in that resource operation and that regulation and the SPIA similar to our last

[1:09:30] Voice 3: application was set at 15 meters from the high water mark of the lake. It did one specific

[1:09:38] Voice 3: mention that the report made was of the root system of a mature cedar

[1:09:41] Voice 3: that would be vulnerable to excavation. The biologist recommended that excavation should

[1:09:52] Voice 3: be rooted north of the tree which i'm not absolutely so i'm not sure what the reasoning

[1:10:00] Voice 3: for that was there's no other way to go um flintrow in their response had recommended tunneling

[1:10:06] Voice 3: versus excavation and now the contractor has indicated that the best approach here

[1:10:12] Voice 3: may be shallow excavation in that area and placement and they said the proposal for

[1:10:21] restoration is just limited to um seating of that

[1:10:24] Voice 3: native class of arms i do note that within the

[1:10:39] Voice 3: spia it does actually not mean that the applicant does have an alternative that can speak is not

[1:10:47] Voice 3: approved so staff's recommendation is that the dp

[1:10:51] Voice 4: be approved for insurance and that's based on the

[1:10:54] Voice 4: fact that the

[1:10:56] Voice 3: province has approved the works and the objectives and specific guidelines of the bpa

[1:11:01] Voice 3: have been met with the exception of the specific guidelines that have been working this year

[1:11:05] Voice 6: All

[1:11:06] Voice 3: relevant recommendations of professional assessment report have been incorporated into the conditions of the DP.

[1:11:13] Voice 3: Lastly, implementing and monitoring conditions in the DP will ensure perfection of the sensitive right variant in the product.

[1:11:21] And Mr. Perry Charrette is

[1:11:24] Voice 3: here with the applicant.

[1:11:27] Voice 3: Thank you. Do you have anything you'd like to add?

[1:11:32] Voice 3: We'll

[1:11:35] Voice 2: fire away. We may have questions for you. So, okay. Over to you, trustees.

[1:11:39] Trustee McConchie: Trustee Morrison.

[1:11:41] Trustee Morrison: No, you go ahead on this one.

[1:11:42] Trustee McConchie: yeah this is quite confusing like mr sure uh just wants to join the sewer sewer line the purpose of

[1:11:53] Trustee McConchie: the dpa around this lake and the spia is to protect the lake from over development now what i'm

[1:12:00] Trustee McConchie: wondering is how cumbersome is this alternative uh that is that you've been discussing is this

[1:12:06] Trustee McConchie: uh well why have you chosen to go this particular route over the other because we you know i just

[1:12:11] just saw this your application for the first time last week right so it's curious i'm sorry can we

[1:12:27] Trustee Morrison: have him come up to the mic if you wouldn't mind

[1:12:29] Voice 3: you're kind of quiet so if you could just move

[1:12:31] Voice 3: closer to the microphone it should

[1:12:33] Voice 3: work take it down or just leave it on and yell that's clear

[1:12:38] Trustee McConchie: yeah it's clear um

[1:12:39] Voice 3: basically for it to be gravity fed we're not relying on the power system which

[1:12:45] Voice 3: is here which goes out somewhat regularly and if we have to rely on a pump up the hill we're going

[1:12:55] Voice 3: to be severely limited when the power second part that is going up the hill is solid rock

[1:13:06] Voice 3: unless we're building platforms up to bury this pipe it's simpler necessarily answers your question

[1:13:25] Trustee McConchie: So are we looking at major environmental damage as a result of this sewer construction?

[1:13:33] Trustee McConchie: Is there any concerns that you're really seeing here?

[1:13:35] Trustee McConchie: The only reason the trust is being referred to this is because it's in this VADPA area, correct?

[1:13:42] Trustee McConchie: And it sort of triggered this response.

[1:13:45] Voice 3: So again,

[1:13:47] Voice 3: I'm not a biologist, and we do interview this.

[1:13:50] Voice 3: That's just more to the problem.

[1:13:54] things

[1:13:55] Voice 3: but um we rely on the biologist's report um and in this case it's i would call it a thin

[1:14:02] Voice 3: report um as you notice it wasn't there wasn't a comprehensive and you know maybe with good

[1:14:08] Voice 3: reason because this is a very limited area um so it's seen and i have had actual conversations

[1:14:17] Voice 3: with the province on this one because it's a unique situation where mr shrey is actually

[1:14:22] Voice 3: going on to the neighbourhood property and the whole application doesn't apply to his property,

[1:14:31] Voice 3: it applies to the area of the neighbourhood. But Bovence, he looked at this and their determination

[1:14:39] was that it's minimal, it's sort of in-out and it's linking

[1:14:46] Voice 3: up to an existing infrastructure.

[1:14:48] Voice 3: Just to add in sort of in contrast to say a house being constructed where you have all the activity

[1:15:10] Voice 3: So

[1:15:12] Trustee McConchie: the only environmental concern I heard was that a cedar tree might get root damaged.

[1:15:18] Voice 3: Yeah, and that's built into the actual recommendations, sorry, the actual conditions in the DPS that's

[1:15:25] Voice 3: been drafted.

[1:15:26] Voice 3: Is that intended to, and this again, this is to be monitored by a QEP.

[1:15:32] Voice 3: and there are conditions for construction management that's with regards to you know

[1:15:39] Voice 3: maintenance and treatment of the machinery and things like that when they're in the area

[1:15:48] Voice 3: saltation fencing and marking off the spia and things like that so there are a lot of conditions

[1:15:56] Voice 3: that are built into this to ensure that damage will be

[1:16:00] Trustee McConchie: so i so trustee morrison i i have been

[1:16:02] Trustee McConchie: and Chair Patrick, I have trouble finding reasons

[1:16:04] Trustee McConchie: to oppose this particular person based on.

[1:16:08] Trustee McConchie: Trustee Morrison.

[1:16:12] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, so I have no concerns really with this.

[1:16:14] Trustee Morrison: I know it does go into the SPIA,

[1:16:16] Trustee Morrison: but it's also one of those issues that,

[1:16:18] Trustee Morrison: well, that was kind of an interesting decision

[1:16:20] Trustee Morrison: sometime in the past to put the sewer line in the SPIA.

[1:16:23] Trustee Morrison: So it's not really avoidable from that perspective.

[1:16:28] Trustee Morrison: What I would like to,

[1:16:30] Trustee Morrison: and I think if I'm clear from what you just said, Phil,

[1:16:33] Trustee Morrison: there was some recommendation to be not using the excavator through the cedar tree is that accurate

[1:16:42] Voice 3: basically it was not it's not a shall it's like that in that area

[1:16:52] Voice 2: okay currently says that it's alternative should be looked at so

[1:16:58] Trustee Morrison: i would rather that

[1:17:00] Trustee Morrison: that must be looked at because the reality is that it's going to be simpler to build it with

[1:17:04] Trustee Morrison: the excavator and more damaging to the tree so i would like to just say alternatives must be done

[1:17:10] Trustee Morrison: for that are like low impact to the tree and then i'm fine so

[1:17:17] Voice 2: do we have a specific

[1:17:19] Voice 3: amendment to recommend can i just ask a question on that yeah does

[1:17:23] Voice 3: that include

[1:17:24] Voice 3: the recommendation by the contractor that shallow excavation yeah

[1:17:32] Trustee Morrison: so shallow excavation sounds great

[1:17:34] Trustee Morrison: to me i do know that using an excavator and shallow excavated around a tree you're just

[1:17:40] Trustee Morrison: not going to have the sensitivity to be able to not damage the roots like roots get damaged

[1:17:45] Trustee Morrison: regularly by machinery just because they're not seen before they're touched and so i would really

[1:17:51] Trustee Morrison: I really highly recommend that the use of have like a bit, and I know what you mean by the mini excavator.

[1:18:00] Trustee Morrison: But even so, I don't think it should be mini excavator you either do a shallow like just go right over top of it and don't excavate and just fill up top with gravel, or you hand excavate around the tree, or whatever other alternative they're suggesting.

[1:18:13] Trustee Morrison: So

[1:18:14] Voice 2: the current clause in the contract says to avoid root damage to the mature

[1:18:23] Voice 3: cedar tree located as shown on Schedules A and B, the installation of the sewer line in proximity to the tree's root system should be undertaken by either tunneling, trenching by hand, digging, or shallow excavation and fill.

[1:18:39] Voice 3: fill. So is that just the simple changes to say shell or? Yeah,

[1:18:46] Trustee Morrison: if that was shell that does do

[1:18:49] Trustee Morrison: shallow excavation. I'm hoping that the landowner understands that, you know, the cedar trees are,

[1:18:56] Trustee Morrison: you know, they get damaged pretty easily here, and they're already pretty vulnerable. So like,

[1:19:02] Trustee Morrison: protect your trees. Okay, so yeah, I'm fine with that. If we put shell.

[1:19:15] Voice 3: you know i'm

[1:19:19] Trustee Morrison: going to leave it to your to the to your you as a homeowner to like make sure that

[1:19:24] Trustee Morrison: you're protecting that but i do think that that overarching statement should be shall not should

[1:19:29] Trustee Morrison: in this and and so then if you want to do shallow excavation with a little digger i mean you can do

[1:19:36] Trustee Morrison: it I highly discourage that but you know you're going to know better when you get on site how

[1:19:41] Trustee Morrison: much soil you have over those roots or not so if you take off the first layer with the excavator

[1:19:47] Trustee Morrison: and then hand dig for the rest of it that's I think you need to just use your best judgment in

[1:19:51] Trustee Morrison: that all

[1:19:54] Voice 2: right he's he's agreeing so we need to amend the

[1:20:01] Voice 3: nddp 2021.1

[1:20:07] Voice 3: that's clause uh under protection of trees and vegetation

[1:20:24] Voice 3: just have to say that should to shall is that sufficient yeah yeah does

[1:20:31] Voice 3: that sound like a

[1:20:32] Voice 3: reasonable resolution would one of you like to make that resolution go ahead trustee morrison

[1:20:37] Trustee McConchie: i

[1:20:37] Trustee Morrison: can't see it because i can't see the screen but i i so moved if it's just shell

[1:20:43] Voice 2: we'll let shannon read it back in a minute before i second it how would you like to call it it's

[1:20:50] Voice 3: it's it's f is it going to be actually very short oh 2f

[1:21:03] Voice 3: 2021.1 straight to event cause 2f

[1:21:10] Voice 3: should be shot thank

[1:21:12] Voice 10: you all

[1:21:13] Voice 3: right is that second yeah second any discussion

[1:21:17] Voice 3: that's great all those

[1:21:18] Voice 2: in favor all right it's very nobody would have to on page 94. i'd like

[1:21:25] Trustee McConchie: to make a motion that the north vander island trust committee approve issuance of development

[1:21:28] Trustee McConchie: development permit MPDP 2021.1 charade as amended is

[1:21:32] Voice 3: there a second second

[1:21:34] Trustee Morrison: question

[1:21:35] Trustee Morrison: um maybe just maybe just the statement again like really I do hope that you you know take care

[1:21:41] Trustee Morrison: around those trees thanks yeah no

[1:21:44] Voice 2: it's it's I think I'm so excited that you're at the at this

[1:21:49] Voice 2: important climate change uh conference in that while we always try to identify our

[1:21:56] Voice 2: important ecosystems

[1:21:58] Voice 3: we have to do them in big broad brushes but when we get down to the specifics

[1:22:02] Voice 3: a lot that the we see cedar trees are growing in a condition that they're happy and healthy

[1:22:08] Voice 3: those are special so yeah

[1:22:12] Trustee McConchie: well i if i can just add like cedar red cedars are on their way out

[1:22:15] Trustee McConchie: unfortunately um and so any protection we can have you know until that that time changes which

[1:22:22] Trustee McConchie: is what's happening unfortunately uh climate change is really impacting these trees in a

[1:22:26] Trustee McConchie: very negative way they need lots of water lots of wet damp areas and a lot of cedar trees are hollow

[1:22:33] Trustee McConchie: right now a lot of arborists have spoken to cedar trees they cut down are often hollow in the middle

[1:22:39] Trustee McConchie: of the core uh so it's good to just make any effort i appreciate that trustee morrison all

[1:22:45] Voice 3: All right, I'm gonna call the vote then.

[1:22:46] Voice 3: All those in favor?

[1:22:48] Voice 3: Aye.

[1:22:49] Trustee Morrison: Curious.

[1:22:50] Voice 3: All right, so thank you.

[1:22:51] Trustee Morrison: Can we take a five-minute bio break?

[1:22:53] Voice 2: Yes, we may.

[1:22:56] Voice 2: Mr.

[1:24:17] Voice 4: Shuri's property is really, it

[1:24:19] Voice 3: must be new.

[1:24:21] Voice 3: hey uh yeah it's my spot in my husband's meeting for lunch what time do you think should be done

[1:24:44] Voice 3: good question

[1:24:52] Voice 3: if i just sneak out at noon that's okay

[1:24:57] Voice 3: there's no attendance

[1:25:12] it's

[1:25:12] Voice 3: getting dark in that trustee morrison's background

[1:25:21] Voice 3: it is it is

[1:25:26] Trustee Morrison: 7 10 at night

[1:25:28] Trustee Morrison: well

[1:25:34] Voice 2: it's pouring rain here it was anyway very dark out here but the i

[1:25:49] Trustee Morrison: went for a run the other

[1:25:50] Trustee Morrison: day and i picked the only time on that day when it was pouring rain like it put the west coast to

[1:25:57] Trustee Morrison: shame okay that was bad choice who all's in the audience today we're dwindling

[1:26:20] Voice 2: we've got four

[1:26:22] Voice 2: souls

[1:26:23] Voice 3: left here now

[1:26:25] Voice 3: I'm just here for fun

[1:26:32] Voice 8: I'm sorry I can't be there

[1:26:34] Voice 8: we became the entertainment

[1:26:36] Voice 8: on a

[1:26:37] Voice 2: dark

[1:26:39] Voice 3: rainy day

[1:26:42] Voice 6: see

[1:26:43] Voice 3: how things work

[1:26:44] Voice 3: it's

[1:26:49] Voice 2: been after being

[1:26:50] Voice 2: virtual for

[1:26:51] Voice 2: oh my god

[1:26:53] Voice 2: so long

[1:26:55] Voice 2: It's just so different to move back into it.

[1:27:01] Voice 2: Well, the

[1:27:02] Trustee Morrison: sound's working like a charm, just from the technical aspect.

[1:27:05] Trustee Morrison: Like, I

[1:27:05] Trustee Morrison: can hear really clearly. As long as, like, people aren't shuffling chairs, it's, like, really no problem.

[1:27:10] Voice 2: We can hear you clearly, too. Yeah. Yeah, that's great.

[1:27:14] Voice 2: Okay. Well, we're going to carry on, then. We have, uh,

[1:27:17] Voice 2: item 4.3 on the agenda. It's a Development Variance Permit

[1:27:20] Voice 2: 2021

[1:27:21] Voice 3: .3. Uh, we have another staff report. Over to you,

[1:27:28] Voice 3: Thanks, Chair Patrick. This is for 181 Maple Leaf Lane on Sydney Island and it's a development

[1:27:35] variance

[1:27:35] Voice 3: permit for siting variances for the dwelling. The proposed variances would site

[1:27:43] the dwelling

[1:27:44] Voice 3: as close as zero meters to an interior lot line between subject building

[1:27:50] Voice 3: and what's called limited common property that projects into the subject property. And

[1:27:59] Voice 3: And a cover letter that was provided by the applicant explains the background and the creation of that six meter wide strip of limited cover property, but I would note that the property owners themselves have exclusive use of that.

[1:28:23] Voice 3: So the proposed house site was selected for view and aspect and to maintain a 14 meter distance from two old growth trees, which have been shown on figure two of the staff report, and that was based on an arborist report.

[1:28:37] Voice 3: According to the applicant, moving the dwelling to meet the required 10-metre setback would

[1:28:46] Voice 3: place it in an undesirable location where views are blocked by one of the old ghost

[1:28:50] Voice 3: trees and he does not wish to cut any of the trees down.

[1:28:58] Voice 3: Given that the limited common property strip is for the exclusive use of the subject lot,

[1:29:04] Voice 3: there are effectively no impacts to the neighbouring property in question.

[1:29:10] Voice 3: So the rationale for the variance is that the setback regulation has no effect

[1:29:15] Voice 3: given the legal status of that property and

[1:29:18] Voice 3: Intent of it has no impact on the intent of the regulation as well

[1:29:22] Voice 3: And that's further granting the variance

[1:29:24] Voice 3: would permit the sighting the dwelling including setback subject property that the dwelling has been cited to avoid

[1:29:30] Voice 3: this

[1:29:32] Voice 3: Sydney Island technical development permit area and would allow the sighting dwelling to provide a better

[1:29:40] Voice 4: So

[1:29:42] Voice 3: the recommendation is for the trust committee to approve issuance and that is supported

[1:29:51] Voice 3: given the rationale is reasonable that the regulation is a technology given the status

[1:29:58] Voice 3: of the common property.

[1:30:00] Voice 3: The applicant has moved his proposed location to avoid the DP area, and the impacts on neighboring properties with granting the variance would be nil.

[1:30:11] Voice 3: And then lastly, the proposed variance is to not challenge the intent of the regulation.

[1:30:16] Voice 3: So the applicant was not able to be here and is actually not available by phone at this point.

[1:30:22] Voice 3: He does have alternatives if there are specific questions, like the phone and if you join the phone.

[1:30:29] Voice 6: Right?

[1:30:31] Trustee Morrison: well i have zero concerns about this and actually think that the sighting closer to the lot line

[1:30:37] Trustee Morrison: away from the trees is a good move um so i don't have concern about this at all um yeah

[1:30:45] Trustee Morrison: i know you're all shocked

[1:30:52] Voice 2: i

[1:30:53] Trustee McConchie: mean yeah my question is actually related to a governance structure like like what do you guys

[1:30:59] Trustee McConchie: happen to know just off the top of your heads i don't expect you know how many people live on

[1:31:02] Trustee McConchie: a city island permanent resident

[1:31:04] Trustee McConchie: well and let's just say in the summertime so there's not including

[1:31:07] Trustee McConchie: the park

[1:31:07] Voice 3: 111 months i think 111 watts

[1:31:10] Voice 3: i think at this point the last time we talked to the strata

[1:31:14] Voice 3: council i think they estimate about half the lots have been developed okay

[1:31:19] Trustee McConchie: and what i'm wondering

[1:31:22] Trustee McConchie: is we're you know the north pender local trust committee uh is is also the local government

[1:31:28] Trustee McConchie: from a trust area perspective uh with uh the associated islands right now

[1:31:35] Trustee McConchie: we don't really have a relationship with sydney island like it's it's almost worthy of its own

[1:31:42] Trustee McConchie: local trust committee uh but other than and they don't have that they have a strata council that

[1:31:48] Trustee McConchie: meets in fact if you recall when we went to sydney island they were like what you're our government

[1:31:53] Trustee McConchie: at least some of them some of the people not everyone and they were surprised so i mean this

[1:31:59] Trustee McConchie: i have no concerns over this particular one i share trustee morrison's sentiments however i'm

[1:32:04] Trustee McConchie: just wondering if we should send applications like this to the strata council for count for

[1:32:08] Trustee McConchie: comments in the future is that an appropriate uh yeah stop me when i'm so

[1:32:14] Voice 3: the strata council

[1:32:15] Voice 3: has its own internal process for reviewing applications so if you go to the strata

[1:32:19] Voice 3: council first yeah in their own strata bylaws support them or don't support them

[1:32:31] Trustee McConchie: so if the

[1:32:32] Trustee McConchie: strata council said they did so the strata council supported this right yeah

[1:32:36] Voice 3: i don't know

[1:32:37] Voice 3: okay

[1:32:39] Trustee McConchie: i mean it's just kind of a general comment like imagine if there's a bigger issue on sydney

[1:32:44] Trustee McConchie: in the future right and you know what do we know on north pender about sydney island i mean it's a

[1:32:51] Trustee McConchie: beautiful spot it was i visited it once uh i'm just curious to know uh if we should you know

[1:32:57] Trustee McConchie: how we improve that communication between the strata council and what role they

[1:33:00] Trustee McConchie: actually

[1:33:01] Voice 3: can have a couple of meetings so we'll resume with the council of previous strata

[1:33:07] Voice 3: council and they just elected a largely new strata council okay so you can match

[1:33:15] resident of the chair of the strata council and a couple other members

[1:33:19] just resist a couple weeks ago and they have um some things they would potentially like to bring

[1:33:33] Voice 3: So you may be hearing

[1:33:36] Voice 6: from them in the

[1:33:37] Voice 3: form of a delegation,

[1:33:38] Voice 6: and you may actually receive

[1:33:39] Voice 3: I was just going to add one other thing, in that meeting we suggested that there are like

[1:33:48] Voice 3: if this was a development permit which you've seen before and you'll see again for geotechnical,

[1:33:54] Voice 3: they would have no notice of that, so one of the recommendations said informally and

[1:33:59] Voice 3: staff is if there's a circumstance where they weren't going to see this, that we would

[1:34:07] Voice 3: I see

[1:34:12] Trustee McConchie: I see so here's what I want to do what can we treat that strata council as an advisory

[1:34:17] Trustee McConchie: planning commission as its own special advisory planning commission so every referral that we get

[1:34:22] Trustee McConchie: whether it's a deep uh steep slope whatever we send it to this advisory commission which is

[1:34:29] Trustee McConchie: essentially the strata council so we can hear from them like what I'm trying to do is create

[1:34:33] Trustee McConchie: a mechanism so we can hear from folks on Sydney uh is that a big pain in the in the so

[1:34:37] Voice 3: yeah I mean

[1:34:38] Voice 3: you could just stop the policy like a standing policy that's all sydney island applicants get

[1:34:44] sent to the strata council comments yeah yeah

[1:34:53] Voice 3: we don't bring it to the ltc for them well what do

[1:35:06] Trustee McConchie: you think guys because i i'm hearing that there's a hundred you said undeveloped lots there's 111

[1:35:12] Voice 3: so

[1:35:12] Trustee McConchie: that means in the future the future trustees will have to deal with sydney island so i think

[1:35:21] Voice 3: i think an easy step would be for us to just direct staff to propose a standing resolution

[1:35:26] Voice 3: along these lines so that we don't have the words about the standing resolution in the

[1:35:30] Voice 3: meeting today if you're interested

[1:35:32] Trustee McConchie: yeah that'll be great yeah i mean if it if it's i don't know

[1:35:36] Trustee McConchie: it's just cumbersome like i don't want

[1:35:37] Voice 3: to say it's simple it's simple yes

[1:35:39] Trustee McConchie: did you

[1:35:41] Voice 3: want to attempt a

[1:35:42] Voice 3: motion while you're talking about i mean i think the effect is as far as we're saying

[1:35:46] it would probably add 30 days to an application so i guess we would essentially would

[1:35:51] Voice 3: add something

[1:35:57] Voice 3: totally direct you to come up with some options that they could consider that'd be great so do

[1:36:01] Trustee McConchie: i need to make a motion i

[1:36:02] Voice 3: guess so uh

[1:36:04] Trustee McConchie: direct staff to uh policy standing standing

[1:36:10] Trustee McConchie: risk excuse me a

[1:36:11] Trustee McConchie: standing resolution uh regarding referrals to sydney island and the north vendor local trust

[1:36:19] Voice 6: and

[1:36:21] Trustee McConchie: then other than that um i would be happy oh sorry we'll wait

[1:36:26] Voice 3: for um shannon on that

[1:36:30] Voice 3: that's all right we're moving things along that's good when you're ready you can read that back

[1:36:47] Voice 2: there you go is that seconded

[1:36:52] Voice 2: yes um no

[1:37:01] Trustee Morrison: i maybe just that i i think that that would be really helpful and it would be great if

[1:37:06] Trustee Morrison: um staff when you're drafting those possibilities if you could just check in with this sydney island

[1:37:11] Trustee Morrison: um um whatever they're called

[1:37:14] Voice 10: all right

[1:37:18] Voice 3: any further discussion i'll call the vote for all

[1:37:20] Voice 3: those in favor carry now back to our uh i'd

[1:37:24] Trustee McConchie: like to make a motion that the north pender island uh

[1:37:26] Trustee McConchie: trust committee approve issuance of bill and permit variance permit excuse me application

[1:37:30] Trustee McConchie: np dvp 202 1.3 trees is

[1:37:33] Voice 3: there a second second question vote all those in favor and that's

[1:37:40] Voice 3: carried super free nice

[1:37:42] Trustee McConchie: to see some full growth trees yes

[1:37:44] Voice 3: protected okay so moving on

[1:37:47] Voice 2: we have our

[1:37:47] Voice 2: next

[1:37:47] Voice 3: is a 12.4 it's a temporary use permit 2021.8 of murdoch and the staff report again on page 153

[1:37:58] Voice 3: and over to your system thanks patrick so this is um to consider a temporary use permit

[1:38:07] Voice 3: um for the following uses on a limited portion of one hectare portion of the subject property

[1:38:15] Voice 3: plan uses summarize the storage of landscape and processing of landscape materials

[1:38:27] Voice 3: aggregates uh storage of equipment and materials directly related to center those are specified

[1:38:36] Voice 3: as well and then for certainty that they're processing screening and sorting but does not

[1:38:46] Voice 3: include so this is the third application to the local trust committee has received regarding uh

[1:38:55] Voice 3: their public trust users um yeah so the application was first made in 2016. it was issued

[1:39:05] Voice 3: for a two-year period at that time and then the applicant also applied for the one renewal that

[1:39:12] Voice 3: they're permitted in 2018 and that was issued for three years and that expired in june of this year

[1:39:18] Voice 3: and then the current application remains unchanged so basically it's the same permit

[1:39:27] Voice 3: coming back to you but that's the only allowed one renewal it comes back to you as a new application

[1:39:33] Voice 3: So 2B notices were circulated to the surrounding property owners and residents and published

[1:39:39] Voice 3: in the Driftwood Creek paper that ended up receiving two letters or two pieces of correspondence

[1:39:49] Voice 3: on this.

[1:39:52] Voice 3: Both of them expressed, one was as late as yesterday, and both those letters expressed

[1:39:59] Voice 3: concerns about gravel use and first of all the size of the gravel use, the potential

[1:40:06] Voice 3: for it to be better

[1:40:09] Voice 3: turned the gravel pit is coming and going and the safety issues particularly with

[1:40:17] heavy trucks so point

[1:40:22] Voice 3: stash recommendation there's this permit for a period of three years

[1:40:28] and that is supported as the uses are necessary and reasonable for the operation of the driftwood

[1:40:33] center there has been no change in use since the first

[1:40:38] Voice 3: tup application in 2016. the applicant has

[1:40:42] Voice 3: has complied with the conditions of the TEP,

[1:40:45] Voice 3: save for a minor infraction since this first issue,

[1:40:48] Voice 3: and there have been no reported adverse effects

[1:40:51] on neighboring problems.

[1:40:53] So, and lastly, the TEP would be valid for a few years

[1:40:57] Voice 3: upon which time an application for open zoning will be made.

[1:41:06] Voice 3: And just as an addition,

[1:41:08] Voice 3: in response to the concerns discussed that,

[1:41:12] Voice 3: and there is, the permit itself will be used

[1:41:20] Voice 3: both in terms of size, the volume that can be allowed, and also how that gravel could be used as the other uses that it can be used.

[1:41:54] Voice 2: Is there anything you'd like to add?

[1:41:55] Voice 3: Yes, I'm kind of surprised at the gravel because we haven't had gravel at Griffith probably in over two years.

[1:42:03] Voice 3: Any gravel that's brought in is just to patch the road behind the post office because of their big truck.

[1:42:10] Voice 3: it's probably two yards at the most just for filling in potholes so we haven't had any gravel stored there in over two years mainly things like bark mulch, river rock for both landscaping that's really most of the aggregates that are stored there or soils and stuff, peat moss maybe comes in but gravel no.

[1:42:33] Voice 3: I think the concern is coming possibly from the most recent CRT and I think it's more

[1:42:44] a

[1:42:44] Voice 3: question of the potential that sits there so I'm not even though I was involved in the

[1:42:52] Voice 3: original application I'm not sure how we arrived at that volume and it doesn't have a limitation

[1:43:04] Voice 3: Well, I know a few years ago, when they were working on the Magic Lake water, the ground

[1:43:12] Voice 3: was stored at Griffith. They asked specifically if they could. But that was used up, obviously,

[1:43:20] Voice 3: fairly quickly. But yes, that did happen probably five or six years ago.

[1:43:27] Voice 2: Trustees, questions?

[1:43:28] Trustee McConchie: Trustee Morrison, do you want to start, or do you want me to start?

[1:43:31] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I guess that's Dorothy, eh? Who's there?

[1:43:34] Trustee Morrison: there? Yes,

[1:43:35] Voice 2: I'm hiding behind the camera.

[1:43:37] Trustee Morrison: That's okay. I feel like I'm hiding in the computer.

[1:43:41] Trustee Morrison: So maybe, would you be adverse, I guess, to having the caveat that any materials stored

[1:43:48] Trustee Morrison: there have to be used for the driftwood purposes?

[1:43:52] Voice 2: No, that would be no problem.

[1:43:54] Trustee Morrison: Okay. Okay. So I

[1:43:56] Trustee Morrison: think that's a helpful alternative. I'm going to think about this a little bit more. Ben,

[1:44:01] Trustee Morrison: go ahead if you have questions i

[1:44:03] Trustee McConchie: just was wondering dorothy if you could address some

[1:44:06] Trustee McConchie: of the concerns we received in correspondence from some folks uh if you if you're you don't

[1:44:11] have to answer but maybe you can direct because it's uh i'm

[1:44:14] Trustee McConchie: not sure what it's fact i'm trying

[1:44:15] Trustee McConchie: to find out what's factual uh from mill bay group uh as the owners of 3615 bedwell harbor road as

[1:44:22] Trustee McConchie: part of public correspondence we are concerned the renewal of the tup question could negatively

[1:44:26] Trustee McConchie: impact our property access to the subject property by bedwell harbor road is not supported

[1:44:31] Trustee McConchie: The road is too narrow and dangerous for large trucks, and the extra volume of traffic is a problem.

[1:44:37] Trustee McConchie: I'm just wondering if you have any comments about what they're implying in this.

[1:44:41] Trustee McConchie: I

[1:44:41] Voice 3: have no idea.

[1:44:42] Trustee McConchie: So there's no plan?

[1:44:44] Trustee McConchie: The biggest

[1:44:45] Voice 3: truck that we've got is the little Isuzu truck that probably leaves the property once a month.

[1:44:54] Voice 1: Okay.

[1:44:55] Voice 3: And then a Ford 350 truck. So there is no trucks coming and going through Driftwood.

[1:45:03] Trustee McConchie: okay uh but they're referring to bedwell harbor road the the road right am i am i understanding

[1:45:10] Trustee McConchie: like that that's

[1:45:11] Voice 3: the that's the road that goes up

[1:45:20] Voice 3: so

[1:45:20] Trustee McConchie: there's no they're getting no trucks or large trucks going back well the only

[1:45:24] Voice 3: the only time there will be in the future is when the community starts at that point that's

[1:45:35] Voice 3: me to do okay but no there's no trucks going up and down that road so i'm not quite sure

[1:45:43] Voice 3: the letters seem to be pointing to the potential yeah that's what i'm getting

[1:45:54] Voice 3: yeah it doesn't seem like anything it's not too much but they just seem it's sort of something

[1:46:08] Voice 3: that oh i didn't even realize this was this was a possibility so i think that's to the letters

[1:46:16] Voice 3: first it seems like that's what's going on what

[1:46:21] Trustee McConchie: may happen right yeah yeah fair enough so then

[1:46:25] Trustee McConchie: the next question is uh the area in question is one hectare yes why is it so large why is this

[1:46:34] Trustee McConchie: because you're essentially what are the needs of the tup like that do you need a hectare

[1:46:41] Trustee McConchie: to do this

[1:46:42] Trustee McConchie: it's

[1:46:42] Voice 3: basically um it's just because of the access roads i think is it's the reason it's so large

[1:46:54] Voice 3: and it's just spread out that's where it is but i think it's mainly because of the access roads

[1:47:01] Voice 3: it's two in there there's the one going up the side standing up and then one going up through

[1:47:07] Voice 3: driftwood there's actually another one as you say because that will have a road and then the one

[1:47:13] Voice 3: that i can you you yeah access okay this is a digital analysis

[1:47:18] Voice 3: wanted to add to that

[1:47:22] Voice 3: but the but the specific uses within it so this is limitation of the one hectare area

[1:47:28] Voice 3: which the store at least pointed out just surprisingly it has to take in a certain area

[1:47:32] Voice 3: because of the roads and supporting things but those just those specific areas also limit

[1:47:38] them so you have to do things

[1:47:40] Voice 3: within those smaller areas but so it's not do it anywhere

[1:47:44] Voice 3: in the tup area it's do it in rope settings for example the ground storage area is limited

[1:47:55] Okay. There was concerns from the neighbors,

[1:47:58] Trustee McConchie: Dorothy, regarding flooding of the adjacent

[1:48:01] Trustee McConchie: property across where the horses are. And I'm not, I'm not, this was news to me as of

[1:48:07] Trustee McConchie: this morning.

[1:48:08] Voice 3: I'm very surprised at that because we have 100-year storm drains throughout

[1:48:13] Voice 3: out in Driftwood. So the chances of flooding would be, I think, fairly remote because...

[1:48:20] Trustee McConchie: Well, they're saying that their property is flooded as a result of this. So I'm not trying

[1:48:26] Trustee McConchie: to put this together, right?

[1:48:27] Voice 3: I mean, you can see the storm drains that are running through Driftwood and all the

[1:48:32] Voice 3: way down the side, Fraser Point Road, they're massive. And all the water's going through

[1:48:38] Voice 3: those storm drains.

[1:48:40] Trustee McConchie: So was there a hydrology report needed for this particular?

[1:48:44] Trustee McConchie: application no okay how come there was a hydrology report for the like other tups we've had like what

[1:48:53] Trustee McConchie: triggers a hydrology report the scale of the work

[1:49:01] Voice 3: being proposed really goes to what's the use

[1:49:10] Voice 3: i

[1:49:11] Trustee McConchie: get it i mean i just want to try and do figure out i'm hearing things from

[1:49:14] Trustee McConchie: namely like i heard from the neighbors they're just they're worried about flooding and this

[1:49:18] Trustee McConchie: was news to me so i just want to make sure i address them

[1:49:21] Voice 3: they're

[1:49:23] Trustee McConchie: suggesting the activities

[1:49:25] Trustee McConchie: activities are impacting flooding in their, on their property. So I'm not, I mean, I can only just tell you what I, what I

[1:49:36] Voice 3: mean, any activities is we're storing, you know, maybe 10 yards of dark mulch, or, you know, nothing really much more than five to 10 yards of soil or something that's not going to cause flooding.

[1:49:52] Voice 3: well

[1:49:52] Trustee McConchie: the neighbor expressed concerns that the agricultural land uh commission could become

[1:49:59] Trustee McConchie: involved so and i was like what are you talking about but i just wanted to raise that as a public

[1:50:04] Trustee McConchie: meeting here uh that there's a concern over flooding from the neighbor maybe have a chance

[1:50:09] Trustee McConchie: to discuss uh with them what the concerns are i'm not i'm not sure what's going on

[1:50:13] Voice 3: i mean i just i don't understand how that could be i would have assumed that flooding would be

[1:50:19] Voice 3: but this was the original was just basically a temporary use permit to

[1:50:30] enforce or legalize pre-existing storage

[1:50:35] Voice 3: on that sure

[1:50:35] Trustee McConchie: right i understand

[1:50:36] Voice 3: it's not new even before

[1:50:38] Voice 3: 2016 this was enforcement initially okay

[1:50:40] Trustee McConchie: if we the question that was posed to get to the crux of it

[1:50:44] Trustee McConchie: it was if we approve the tup as it stands and there's flooding on an agricultural land

[1:50:51] Trustee McConchie: whatever based on what you know on the the agricultural land uh there across would they

[1:50:57] Trustee McConchie: would the ltc be you know with the agricultural language to say hey what are you doing did you

[1:51:01] Trustee McConchie: do your due diligence kind of there's a question i'm certainly not a tup like this for some storage

[1:51:14] containers and an

[1:51:16] Voice 3: area that is at this point is long-standing

[1:51:20] Trustee McConchie: okay so the

[1:51:22] Trustee McConchie: coal and the culvert

[1:51:23] Trustee McConchie: is connected to the storm drain yeah i mean

[1:51:26] Voice 3: i think it's time to be a storm drain so

[1:51:28] Voice 3: i mean

[1:51:28] Trustee McConchie: overly

[1:51:29] Voice 3: you know far more than we ever needed the property the question yeah across

[1:51:38] Trustee McConchie: the road where the horses

[1:51:39] Voice 3: are so there's there's inching on the side of the roadside

[1:51:43] Voice 3: okay

[1:51:44] Voice 2: yeah is

[1:51:47] Voice 3: it as i can guess what the big concern is should it dismiss the concern i'm

[1:51:52] Trustee McConchie: just i'm asking yeah i'm just asking the correspondence that i've heard because i

[1:51:56] Voice 3: i don't know

[1:51:56] Trustee McConchie: what's going on right

[1:51:57] Voice 3: now i'm just surprised because if you look at that storm

[1:52:01] Voice 3: frame running down beside that it's massive okay

[1:52:05] Trustee McConchie: okay then so thanks for answering my questions

[1:52:09] Trustee McConchie: the thing i just wanted to mention you know just to trustee morrison trustee uh chair patrick

[1:52:16] Trustee McConchie: everything that seems to be that's integral to operating on this island and from an

[1:52:22] Trustee McConchie: industrial perspective this is just being put on a temporary basis and so this is now the third

[1:52:29] Trustee McConchie: application that's temporary so my question is is when if when is when are things going to get

[1:52:34] Trustee McConchie: permanent if this is a long-standing activity do we just keep issuing out temporary use permits

[1:52:40] Trustee McConchie: and governing by temporary use permit you know i'm just curious to know that on that perspective

[1:52:45] Trustee McConchie: as well yeah

[1:52:46] Trustee Morrison: i i have a question related to that actually maybe just to echo sorry

[1:52:53] Trustee Morrison: Robert,

[1:52:53] Trustee McConchie: did you want to add something?

[1:52:55] Trustee McConchie: I should probably know

[1:52:55] Voice 3: this, but is it included in the LEB review as one of the temporary use permits to incorporate zoning?

[1:53:03] Trustee McConchie: I didn't see that. I'm not sure.

[1:53:04] Voice 10: No, I don't think it was.

[1:53:08] Voice 2: I was involved at UBCM. They were considering just this last year,

[1:53:16] Voice 3: I think it was. There was a resolution about limiting the length of TUPs.

[1:53:20] Voice 3: and it was a really because this is for all rich columbia was the recommendation but the

[1:53:25] Voice 3: it was a really interesting conversation to hear the other municipalities and so forth that talk

[1:53:29] Voice 3: about zoning is permanent for a temporary use permit is just recognizing that the use of you

[1:53:36] Voice 3: know for a period of time if we were to zone it would be permanently for this um so it does

[1:53:44] Voice 3: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Time is important. I mean, I mean, the permanent resulting could have a longer term impact. But the other aspect that I like about temperance purposes, the ability to add regulation, once we had authorizing use for out of that opportunity. So it actually is more powerful.

[1:54:06] it's one of our more powerful tools to impose restrictions on or even almost regulate

[1:54:13] Voice 3: a use, which is a...

[1:54:18] Trustee McConchie: No, sure. There's pros and cons to the use of the temporary use permit.

[1:54:22] Trustee McConchie: It's just, well, and certainly there's definite pros when you're articulating,

[1:54:26] Trustee McConchie: it's just what, I mean, what is the long-term plan here, right?

[1:54:30] Trustee McConchie: Like, are we just going to, like, I'm hearing from Dorothy that they use it all the time

[1:54:35] Trustee McConchie: and it's required maintenance, right? So I'm just curious to know if this is also just an important

[1:54:42] Trustee McConchie: direction for the LTC just to keep issuing temporary funds.

[1:54:47] Trustee Morrison: I'll throw in on something too. Go ahead.

[1:54:50] Trustee Morrison: Okay, so I think Ben, one of the things I've been thinking about with the idea of temporary

[1:54:56] Trustee Morrison: is temporary in what context, right? Like is it temporary in terms of like, you know, the 10 to

[1:55:04] Trustee Morrison: a 20-year plan for the land because that's that is temporary right versus a zoning a rezoning

[1:55:10] Trustee Morrison: is it you know and if there is going to be a conclusion of that activity in that kind of

[1:55:15] Trustee Morrison: window then even a temporary use permit that we have to renew over three years seems okay to me

[1:55:21] Trustee Morrison: um but if it's something where it's going to be you know that 100 year the 50 to 100 year kind of

[1:55:27] Trustee Morrison: you know landscape then no it should be rezoned and and we should rethink that um and so i guess

[1:55:33] Trustee Morrison: that would be a question for dorothy from my point of view my understanding is that the gravel

[1:55:37] Trustee Morrison: storage is related to the building of of the remaining sort of work that you're doing on the

[1:55:42] Trustee Morrison: site and that the mulch and stuff is

[1:55:45] Voice 3: the equipment as well um yeah that relates to the other buildings

[1:55:52] Voice 3: that um we have on it but

[1:55:56] Trustee Morrison: the mulch and things is the mulch like permanent

[1:55:59] Voice 3: use that's that will

[1:56:01] Voice 3: always, the mulch and stuff like that have always been ongoing because we have to maintain the look of the garden, so certainly we kind of thought that yes, we know that the temporary use permit has got to come to an end, and I would say for the next five to ten years, then we would look at it differently, because at that point hopefully the buildings will be up.

[1:56:26] Voice 3: right

[1:56:28] Trustee Morrison: so i think that's the way to think about temporary in this context is it's a long build

[1:56:33] Trustee Morrison: right it's a long slow build and so then after the that's sorted out then we'd want to see the

[1:56:39] Trustee Morrison: mulch go to a permanent rezoning use or we figure that out inside the existing usage of the whole

[1:56:45] Trustee Morrison: site

[1:56:45] Voice 2: yes i have a master plan for the site as to maintenance as a consideration

[1:56:52] Voice 3: i do have a

[1:56:54] Voice 3: question though i'm looking at a picture on page 163 of the agenda package and it shows what looks

[1:57:00] Voice 3: like potentially a fuel storage tank is there fuel storage on this yes it's diesel diesel it's

[1:57:06] Voice 3: diesel i don't know if you saw that picture trustee morrison there on a diesel an elevated

[1:57:13] Voice 3: diesel tank and

[1:57:15] Trustee Morrison: so who regulates diesel storage like

[1:57:20] Voice 2: well interesting the bc province does not

[1:57:23] Voice 2: have a regulation on fuel storage tanks but the fire code

[1:57:26] Voice 3: does so it's fire code i think it's

[1:57:31] Voice 3: different for diesel as well it's a regular fuel there's quite a few properties that have people

[1:57:37] Voice 3: i know a lot of people do that so

[1:57:41] Trustee Morrison: do you have to report to somebody dorothy around like

[1:57:45] Trustee Morrison: just maintenance of that tank uh

[1:57:47] Voice 2: no we

[1:57:48] Voice 3: don't we do obviously with the gas station tanks but not

[1:57:52] Trustee Morrison: right

[1:57:52] Voice 3: probably that one because it's diesel well it's a fire yeah it's a fire code for

[1:58:01] Voice 3: it's the only code we have in dc what

[1:58:07] Trustee Morrison: but do you do you have to have the fire department

[1:58:09] Trustee Morrison: come and check it every once in a while um they

[1:58:11] Voice 2: come and check out everything at redwood once a

[1:58:13] Voice 2: year okay

[1:58:14] Trustee Morrison: okay

[1:58:16] Voice 10: all right all

[1:58:21] Trustee McConchie: right so just to alleviate the concerns of the correspondence

[1:58:24] Trustee McConchie: Correspondence we've received, if the LTC approves the temporary use permit, that means that they can only essentially store gravel and the aggregate material in that selected area.

[1:58:37] Trustee McConchie: So this fear that it's going to expand into some industrial park has no merit for weight based on the conditions of the TUP right now. Is that correct?

[1:58:48] Voice 3: So I'd

[1:58:50] Trustee McConchie: have to amend it to a specific size.

[1:58:52] Voice 3: one size because i think that was specified in the correspondence there's a concern about how much

[1:59:02] Voice 3: so or could potentially be there so could it

[1:59:05] Voice 3: not just be for specific use to driftwood that well

[1:59:08] Voice 3: that's the one that it's up to the trustees if they want to also limit how much so it sounds

[1:59:17] Trustee McConchie: to me like it sounds to me like we're in the middle of what is going to be a really um potentially

[1:59:23] Trustee McConchie: essentially, you know, interesting changes for where the driftwood center is like you're part of a longer plan, it sounds like Dorothy, and this, however, I do want to limit the amount of specific areas and specific places just so it's as, as Dorothy's indicated, it's just limited to what she's requested, rather than the potential to expand, that would potentially alleviate any concerns from folks, you know, worried about the

[1:59:55] Trustee McConchie: the industrial expand, which is unlikely,

[1:59:58] Trustee McConchie: but nonetheless, I feel.

[2:00:00] Trustee McConchie: it's important to to address that so

[2:00:03] Trustee Morrison: well then it can only be on those areas right now right

[2:00:06] Trustee Morrison: that's my understanding like those darker areas that are assigned for gravel and mulch those are

[2:00:11] Trustee Morrison: the only areas that can be stored on not the whole acre and

[2:00:14] Voice 2: you couldn't really get more than

[2:00:16] Voice 2: 10 yards of everything on those that area anyway okay

[2:00:21] Voice 3: what amendment would be

[2:00:23] Voice 3: recommended to

[2:00:24] Voice 3: then limit the gravel to use just the first one was just for the use of just in regard to the

[2:00:33] Voice 3: gravel so item b storage of gravel as like the sentence says below for driftwood center use only

[2:00:44] Voice 3: or something just like the other the other use yeah so

[2:00:49] Trustee Morrison: literally which line on the page which

[2:00:51] Trustee Morrison: page 153

[2:00:52] Voice 2: .164 2b authorizes the storage of gravel so

[2:01:02] Voice 3: you can amend that to say uh required for the

[2:01:06] Voice 3: maintenance instructor food center can we

[2:01:10] Trustee Morrison: get a motion going on that one an amendment

[2:01:15] Trustee McConchie: sure i make a move development permit tup tup

[2:01:26] Trustee McConchie: i'm sorry i don't have enough for me 21.8 and to amend section 2 being the storage of groundwork 2

[2:01:38] Trustee McConchie: the uses of driftwood maintenance only it's

[2:01:42] Voice 3: maintenance and construction

[2:01:47] Voice 3: we'll see how shannon did on that before the second sorry shannon i think that we went back

[2:01:55] Voice 3: back to you to be required for the maintenance and construction

[2:02:36] Voice 3: of the Driftwood Center. I think that's a statement. Okay, is

[2:02:47] Voice 2: that seconded? Seconded by Trustee Morrison. Any

[2:02:50] Voice 2: discussion? No. I'll

[2:02:52] Voice 3: call the vote. All those in favor? And

[2:02:54] Voice 3: that's carried.

[2:02:56] Trustee McConchie: I'd like to amend the location. Am I

[2:03:01] Trustee McConchie: I understand that correct locations are that

[2:03:10] Trustee McConchie: was what my area of confusion so I understand

[2:03:12] Trustee McConchie: are

[2:03:14] Voice 3: there any other amendments that need to be made it's not there's a I'll

[2:03:21] Trustee Morrison: go ahead and move

[2:03:22] Trustee Morrison: yeah uh 168

[2:03:26] Voice 2: 168 uh

[2:03:29] Trustee Morrison: I have it on 153 oh that's weird I have it on 153

[2:03:35] Voice 2: you're right sorry I'm moving okay okay

[2:03:37] Trustee Morrison: I'm wildly off if that's okay

[2:03:43] Trustee Morrison: Okay, that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve the temporary use permit NP-TUP 2021.8 for a period of three years as amended.

[2:03:53] Trustee McConchie: Is there a second?

[2:03:54] Trustee McConchie: A second. I just want to ask for comments.

[2:03:56] Trustee McConchie: Any discussion?

[2:03:57] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, my hope is that Dorothy, you continue to work and Hartle Management continues to work with the Trust Committee to help support the local businesses that are there.

[2:04:06] Trustee McConchie: and we respect your guys' ability to go through this process

[2:04:11] Trustee McConchie: and we're looking forward to seeing what you guys do

[2:04:13] Trustee McConchie: and very much the future trustees that take on this role.

[2:04:18] Trustee McConchie: I hope you look forward to engaging with them

[2:04:21] Trustee McConchie: and working with them to make a nice, sustainable

[2:04:25] Trustee McConchie: commercial practices on the island.

[2:04:26] Trustee McConchie: So thank you.

[2:04:27] Trustee McConchie: And

[2:04:28] Trustee Morrison: if I can throw in one other comment too.

[2:04:30] Trustee Morrison: I do encourage you, Dorothy, to reach out

[2:04:33] Trustee Morrison: and just to the folks that have written

[2:04:35] Trustee Morrison: and ask what the water management issues are

[2:04:38] Trustee Morrison: and if they're not coming,

[2:04:39] Trustee Morrison: like having that conversation

[2:04:44] Trustee Morrison: so that we can trace

[2:04:45] Trustee Morrison: if there is a water management problem,

[2:04:46] Trustee Morrison: where it's coming from.

[2:04:47] Voice 2: Yeah, no, no, I'd be happy to.

[2:04:49] Voice 2: Are we talking about the debts?

[2:04:50] Voice 2: Is that where it's coming from?

[2:04:52] Trustee McConchie: You get the neighboring property.

[2:04:54] Voice 3: Yeah, which is where the losses are.

[2:04:56] Voice 3: That's the debts.

[2:04:57] Voice 3: Okay, I understand.

[2:04:58] Voice 3: Yeah, thank you.

[2:04:59] Voice 3: All right, any further discussion?

[2:05:04] Voice 3: No.

[2:05:04] Voice 3: I'll call a vote.

[2:05:07] Voice 3: That's scary.

[2:05:08] Voice 3: so thank you very much dorothy all right we're going on we have another development permit uh

[2:05:15] Voice 3: 2021.6 oh am i going to attempt that i don't

[2:05:20] Trustee McConchie: know how to pronounce this last name uh

[2:05:22] Trustee McConchie: Yes, fire test and

[2:05:23] Voice 3: so over to you, maybe

[2:05:27] Trustee McConchie: it's are you know

[2:05:30] Voice 3: I didn't see

[2:05:34] Trustee McConchie: that that's weird, but

[2:05:43] Voice 3: thanks for Patrick so this is for 7904 plumber way it's considered a development for an application, and that was a bit was for a tree, and one mature big maple.

[2:05:56] maple planting of eight of its first seedings and to

[2:06:04] Voice 3: ensure survival removal of invasive species to

[2:06:07] Voice 3: ensure the ecological health of that woodland habitat installation of solar fencing to

[2:06:13] prevent the surface transportation of soil or fill other material uh construct and construction

[2:06:18] proportion of the dwelling unit and the placement of a cistern

[2:06:22] Voice 3: all within uh development from area

[2:06:29] Voice 3: This was initiated to the building permit review process which determined that the dwelling

[2:06:35] Voice 3: unit accessory structures were located in the EPA and had subsequently amended the original

[2:06:42] Voice 3: building plans by removing a backyard pool and shifting the location of the dwelling

[2:06:47] Voice 3: unit to lessen the impact on the sensitive ecosystem.

[2:06:52] system only a small portion of the dwelling unit will be located in the dpa at this point so the

[2:07:02] Voice 3: biologist reported uh was consulted or ns consulting baxter himself and the application

[2:07:15] that included an impact assessment statement which would

[2:07:18] Voice 3: allow the two trees in the dpa

[2:07:22] would could increase uh sunlight to the forest floor which could lead to the introduction of

[2:07:26] non-native species uh through seed and vegetation

[2:07:30] Voice 3: dispersal so it recommends uh there are more

[2:07:33] Voice 3: areas the ground surface must be clear of invasive plants uh to prevent the introduction of those

[2:07:40] Voice 3: non-native species into the ecosystem and it also makes recommendations for restoration with

[2:07:46] prescribed uh tree place uh replacement with identified uh native and invasive species

[2:07:54] and hydrology erosion control construction management monitoring so all the recommendations

[2:08:00] of the report as they apply to the dpa have been incorporated and staff's recommendation is for the

[2:08:08] insurance of the development permit and

[2:08:11] Voice 3: that is supported because all guidelines of the dpa have

[2:08:13] Voice 3: been met with the mitigation and then all the recommendations of the balance report incorporated

[2:08:28] do you

[2:08:32] Voice 3: have anything you would like to add or

[2:08:38] Voice 3: trustee morrison

[2:08:40] Trustee McConchie: did you want to start or do you want me to start

[2:08:42] Trustee McConchie: can

[2:08:42] Trustee Morrison: i ask is this actually a development permit where their tree has not been cut yet

[2:08:52] Voice 3: actually i think we were commenting sorry it off record but we were commenting this is the only

[2:08:57] Voice 3: thought with you probably for a long time we don't have a retroactive

[2:09:03] Trustee Morrison: okay that is fabulous

[2:09:05] Trustee Morrison: and i would like kiss the applicant if it wasn't in the middle of covid that we're actually getting

[2:09:10] Trustee Morrison: this application in advance of a tree cutting instead of like retroactively because now i'm

[2:09:16] Trustee Morrison: like so much more open to thinking with this and it looks like a great report like very thoughtful

[2:09:21] Trustee Morrison: so um yeah i actually think that um this is a great report dan and like really clear about why

[2:09:28] Trustee Morrison: you chose what you chose and a lot is tricky to build on and the dpa is tricky um so i'm actually

[2:09:35] Trustee Morrison: not adverse to what you're suggesting i think it's a good plan i

[2:09:40] Voice 2: think too it shows that the

[2:09:41] Voice 2: process is working because the original plants would have so through this process they modified

[2:09:47] Voice 2: so that's fantastic uh

[2:09:50] Trustee McConchie: yeah i just had a couple questions because i'm not as intelligent as

[2:09:53] Trustee McConchie: my co-trustee with regards to science um so like my one question is so it's basically

[2:10:00] Trustee McConchie: training a dog fur and a maple tree for her sister for water right that's how i'm seeing

[2:10:07] Trustee McConchie: this except you want to replant and that's great now i got a question is are trees growing back

[2:10:14] Trustee McConchie: well right now on pender you know considering the drugs we've had um you know the climate change uh

[2:10:22] Trustee McConchie: issues where violence starting to feel like are we you know i guess what i'm wondering the question

[2:10:27] Trustee McConchie: i'm having is should we keep what we have right because stuff might not roll back or remediate

[2:10:35] Trustee McConchie: as well as it once did? And I know that's a big question, Dan, but I'm just wondering if you have any thoughts on that.

[2:10:40] Voice 3: Yeah, well, in the case of Grevesburg, so as long as the trees are protected at a growth stage,

[2:10:56] Voice 3: they can kind of grow on their own in conditions. So we're also suggesting that a plant stock from the tree in Victoria

[2:11:11] or anywhere, so they're

[2:11:15] Voice 3: already pretty adapted to the ten trees. They may not all survive, but they will definitely replace what's there.

[2:11:26] Trustee McConchie: interesting and how old are these i can't report is it a big giant dove fur that's coming down

[2:11:33] Trustee McConchie: uh

[2:11:33] Voice 3: it's a mature duck fur yes yeah 34.5 when i think of the main tree tree would say yeah okay

[2:11:58] Trustee McConchie: well i mean it's i see that like from this report from what's happening there i mean we're they're

[2:12:05] Trustee McConchie: trying to do water conservation right with a sister and we've been trying to balance that

[2:12:11] Trustee McConchie: with the with the ecosystem and I mean it seems like if they're interested in replanting I don't

[2:12:17] Trustee McConchie: have any opposition to this I just was I am just curious to know if we're going to get you know

[2:12:22] Trustee McConchie: the folks that are protecting the coastal Douglas fir you know we hear these toolkits and all and

[2:12:27] Trustee McConchie: that type of stuff are we upsetting them by approving this you know this particular application

[2:12:32] Trustee McConchie: why did you approve a cut down of a Doug fir tree right yeah

[2:12:36] Trustee Morrison: and just just to like emphasize that

[2:12:38] Trustee Morrison: the coastal douglas fir toolkit is protecting the ecosystem not just douglas fir trees and so like

[2:12:44] Trustee Morrison: by doing this we're actually replanting trees that and with the they're thoughtful on what

[2:12:48] Trustee Morrison: they're replanting so they're replanting things that are similar in enough density that the

[2:12:53] Trustee Morrison: survival will be sufficient we are losing something don't get me wrong like mature trees that are

[2:13:00] Trustee Morrison: healthy are putting on more

[2:13:02] Trustee Morrison: carbon sequestering more carbon than seedlings because they have just

[2:13:05] Trustee Morrison: more mass every year that they're putting on so we are losing something but it's a balance with

[2:13:10] Trustee Morrison: like in this particular situation the way the woodland area is we do need like that tree is

[2:13:16] Trustee Morrison: likely doomed if there's a building that close to it anyway and it's a difficult like lot build

[2:13:22] Trustee Morrison: given how close it is to the front so it seems quite reasonable that they do that and put trees

[2:13:27] Trustee Morrison: that are likely to be long-term more healthy further away from that area so I think in the

[2:13:32] Trustee Morrison: long term it's the better move um yeah so i'm good with it all

[2:13:38] Trustee McConchie: right i'd like

[2:13:39] Voice 3: to make a motion

[2:13:41] Trustee McConchie: that the north center island local trust committee approve issuance of the proposed development

[2:13:44] Trustee McConchie: permit mptp 2021.6 and then you'll be

[2:13:49] Trustee Morrison: second by trustee morrison

[2:13:51] Trustee Morrison: any discussion yeah i do want

[2:13:54] Trustee Morrison: to add one other comment here so one of the things that people have been really concerned about with

[2:13:59] Trustee Morrison: potentially in the trust policy statement i know this is a little bit of a bird walk just bear

[2:14:02] Trustee Morrison: with me but it is the idea that um if if the trust area local trust committee is getting any kind of

[2:14:09] Trustee Morrison: tree cutting it's been named as um authority that then you won't be able to ever cut a single tree

[2:14:15] Trustee Morrison: that is not the situation and this is a good example of it so what we're trying to look at

[2:14:20] Trustee Morrison: is forest health overall and how we live within the system as part of the system and adjust the

[2:14:29] Trustee Morrison: the forest around in a healthy way and this report down is excellent like it's really clear that this

[2:14:33] Trustee Morrison: is what you're looking at you're looking at forest health here so this is the kind of thing that

[2:14:37] Trustee Morrison: we're trying to get at thank

[2:14:40] Voice 2: you any further discussion i'll call the vote all those in favor

[2:14:44] Voice 2: and that's gary so thank you very much for coming today thanks

[2:14:49] Trustee McConchie: okay sorry i didn't recognize you

[2:14:53] Trustee Morrison: I didn't recognize you either, Dan.

[2:14:58] Voice 1: We

[2:14:58] Voice 2: need a camera angle on the audience.

[2:15:00] Voice 2: Okay, so the next item here is

[2:15:05] Voice 3: the trust policy statement bylaw referral, which is the

[2:15:15] Voice 2: policy statement.

[2:15:16] Voice 2: I can tell you there's been from the other LTC some have just received and that's it both

[2:15:27] Voice 2: Subterna and Saltspring made reference to needing to see how the engagement occurred before they

[2:15:38] Voice 2: could consider a

[2:15:40] Voice 3: recommendation at this time so it's up to you what you'd like to do with

[2:15:46] Voice 3: the uh of this referral uh

[2:15:50] Trustee McConchie: so the salts i'm i'm totally confused salt spring sent this referral

[2:15:54] Trustee McConchie: no

[2:15:55] Voice 3: no sorry this is the trust this is 12.6 this is the trust policy statement yeah referral which

[2:16:00] Voice 3: trust consul decided to send out trustees

[2:16:03] Voice 3: so that's this one the next two are salt spring um

[2:16:06] Voice 2: but um so this is uh what a referral looks like so it's asking what you'd like to do with this um

[2:16:16] Voice 2: which is the trust policy statement i

[2:16:21] Trustee McConchie: mean i don't even know where we're at with the policy

[2:16:23] Trustee McConchie: statement right now i don't know what's happening i know we've been hired more consultants

[2:16:30] Trustee McConchie: um it's a bit of a schmuzzle as far as i'm concerned so i don't really even know where

[2:16:34] Trustee McConchie: to even start right to be honest chair patrick uh there's so many things to talk about what would

[2:16:39] Trustee McConchie: be a good objective trust committee right now like what would help the trust council request

[2:16:44] Trustee McConchie: request. Let

[2:16:47] Trustee Morrison: me weigh in on that a little bit. I feel like I'm not sure if I can actually

[2:16:53] Trustee Morrison: vote on this or not. I don't know. Like I feel oddly positioned because I'm chair of the trust

[2:16:58] Trustee Morrison: policy committee. But this is owned by the council now. Like so the council referred it out to

[2:17:04] Trustee Morrison: trustees. Maybe I would say that I would not feel comfortable at this moment giving any

[2:17:14] Trustee Morrison: recommendations on the trust policy statement to the trust council until our consultations are

[2:17:19] Trustee Morrison: completed on the island and so I think that's the question like we've been there's been delays in

[2:17:26] Trustee Morrison: process because of a lot of need for community to actually understand and tune into what what's

[2:17:34] Trustee Morrison: going on with the policy statement and then having done that like really weigh in on what they want

[2:17:39] Trustee Morrison: as opposed to just saying what they don't want and um so i kind of feel like until we have that

[2:17:46] Trustee Morrison: completed which i think is going to be towards the probably the end of january

[2:17:51] Trustee Morrison: from my understanding of timelines um that i don't know that we can comment on this yet

[2:17:57] Voice 2: that has been the approach by many uh local trust committees just

[2:18:01] Voice 2: what

[2:18:03] Trustee Morrison: would we do then we would

[2:18:04] Trustee Morrison: just move to defer it or

[2:18:05] Voice 2: you don't even have to make a motion you could just move

[2:18:08] Trustee Morrison: on then what's

[2:18:10] Trustee McConchie: the point of this exercise right now that all the trust

[2:18:13] Trustee Morrison: to give our yeah it's to give our our

[2:18:15] Trustee Morrison: community feedback into the process of trust council so when trust council starts to make

[2:18:20] Trustee Morrison: decisions that we actually have had conversations with our community and we can say what our

[2:18:26] Trustee Morrison: community thinks about the trust policy statement and what recommendations they make and frankly i

[2:18:32] Trustee Morrison: don't think we have a list of that yet yeah

[2:18:35] Trustee McConchie: so it's got sent to us too early yeah what's happening

[2:18:38] Trustee McConchie: Okay, all right, so

[2:18:40] Voice 3: we can just move on,

[2:18:41] Voice 3: can

[2:18:42] Trustee Morrison: we pull it back onto the agenda in January.

[2:18:46] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:18:47] Voice 2: And we, I

[2:18:48] Voice 3: guess we could assume it would be referred by.

[2:18:55] Voice 3: When it there's any amendments or don't know.

[2:18:59] Trustee Morrison: So regardless I think if it's referred I would love it to just come back on our agenda is like heads up.

[2:19:05] Trustee Morrison: yeah

[2:19:06] Voice 3: okay yeah i agree

[2:19:08] Trustee McConchie: yeah for sure okay yeah

[2:19:10] Trustee McConchie: all right

[2:19:11] Trustee McConchie: trustee morrison sure took on a big job

[2:19:17] Trustee McConchie: chairpersonship of this particular

[2:19:19] Voice 2: that's all right very

[2:19:20] Trustee McConchie: brave um

[2:19:23] Voice 2: okay so the next one is a

[2:19:27] Voice 2: um referral from salt spring which i uh i can i can speak about this is a we commonly call it

[2:19:33] Voice 2: the dragonfly it is a

[2:19:35] Voice 3: affordable housing project right on uh in town um and the only reason this

[2:19:41] Voice 3: was already given to the first reading before i had to refer it out just that really the only

[2:19:44] Voice 3: change that occurred here has become a strata um this is just a lovely retired couple that live on

[2:19:51] Voice 3: salt spring that i just wanted to take on trying to solve some of the housing uh really cool small

[2:19:56] Voice 3: small affordable they want to have a home ownership model and that's what this project is

[2:20:03] Trustee McConchie: interesting so you have different zones on salt springton we have for

[2:20:07] Trustee McConchie: for well first of all what is considered affordable housing in this particular

[2:20:12] Trustee McConchie: circumstance

[2:20:12] Voice 3: um affordable housing is fine it's uh through housing there's a housing agreements

[2:20:17] Voice 3: that get put in place that the control of the price does but they're um you know it's 30

[2:20:25] Voice 3: I don't know the details of this one with the housing agreement but there's a housing

[2:20:28] Voice 3: agreement that defines how you control that in the future because they do want to purchase they want to purchase models they have to be able the housing agreement is the tool that controls that so that you know you buy it affordably and then I turn around and flip it and sell it unaffordably yeah right the

[2:20:44] Voice 3: housing agreement doesn't allow it sets like the price and the control of the property

[2:20:54] Voice 3: I

[2:20:54] Trustee McConchie: was just going to say, what does Salt Spring want, what does Salt Spring want our opinion

[2:21:00] Trustee McConchie: on this particular issue?

[2:21:01] Trustee McConchie: Just to let us know what's going on?

[2:21:03] Voice 3: It's a standard practice.

[2:21:06] Voice 3: I'm sorry?

[2:21:08] Voice 3: From council policy?

[2:21:09] Voice 3: Yeah.

[2:21:10] Voice 3: Yeah, that's right.

[2:21:12] Trustee McConchie: So it's just a policy.

[2:21:13] Trustee McConchie: Okay.

[2:21:14] Trustee McConchie: I've asked that question before.

[2:21:16] Voice 3: Great.

[2:21:16] Voice 3: um

[2:21:17] Trustee Morrison: so i have a question about it and i don't know laura if you can answer it or if we just

[2:21:22] Trustee Morrison: randomly talk about it but i am i have a question about density like this is basically increasing

[2:21:29] Trustee Morrison: density well beyond um sort of it just seems highly dense relative to the islands generally

[2:21:39] Trustee Morrison: and can you tell us anything or can the planners tell us anything about like

[2:21:43] Trustee Morrison: why this rural neighborhood zone exists and if it's this density is too dense for that neighborhood

[2:21:50] Voice 2: this is ganji this is ganji's village area so it's around ganji's village and that the the zoning

[2:21:58] Voice 2: i'd love to look at robert to know but for how we had um we allowed rezoning for affordable housing

[2:22:07] Voice 2: um in the ganji's village right

[2:22:10] Voice 3: probably apologize it's been a long time since i've

[2:22:13] Voice 3: We're going to bring it. It's probably a similar policy and it says you can increase that to be provided the additional density is affordable. Yeah,

[2:22:22] Voice 2: so that's how it's so it's in the Ganges village core and that's, that's the

[2:22:30] Voice 2: It's in an area that's going to see more development and it's a reason when it's right there. It's walking into the village core.

[2:22:39] Voice 2: So there's advantages to this area being the place that makes

[2:22:45] Voice 3: sense for receiving this kind of density.

[2:22:49] Voice 3: Hopefully going forward, I mean, my dream is to move existing unbuilt densities into areas like this.

[2:22:58] Trustee Morrison: Well, that's kind of my question. Like if you're increasing density here, is it coming off somewhere else?

[2:23:04] Trustee Morrison: I

[2:23:06] Voice 3: don't think in this case, but Salisbury does have density transfer policies and maps

[2:23:14] Voice 3: with sending and receiving areas. It's much more specific than other.

[2:23:19] Voice 3: It's a

[2:23:20] Voice 3: complex system, which would be nice to have it work better. And that's

[2:23:24] Voice 3: why we're doing planning now is looking at those things.

[2:23:30] Voice 3: okay

[2:23:31] Trustee Morrison: um i guess my my comment if i'm to be super frank and honest about it is like

[2:23:36] Trustee Morrison: increased density in the islands trust area is never my favorite thing affordable housing is

[2:23:43] Trustee Morrison: um totally understandable but it's a double-edged sword like the it's a finite land base

[2:23:50] Trustee Morrison: and it's you know people love to live here and so if we don't find some kind of strategy to not

[2:23:59] Trustee Morrison: just increase density, but have, you know, affordable housing agreements on dispersed

[2:24:05] Trustee Morrison: density, then we're going to constantly be in a situation where the environment gets short shrift

[2:24:11] Trustee Morrison: to high density housing. And so like, I I'm concerned about it just generally. And I understand

[2:24:19] Trustee Morrison: the idea of cores. I understand the idea, like I get all that, but there is some boundary that

[2:24:25] Trustee Morrison: how we have to have the density has to either be transferred or we have to just say that's it this

[2:24:32] Trustee Morrison: is the number of people that are going to be on these islands and if we want people to be able

[2:24:35] Trustee Morrison: to affordably live here we have to change the rules about how we're how we're doing that i'd

[2:24:40] Voice 2: love to this is a long conversation yeah i know i know so one of the extreme issues we're having

[2:24:46] Voice 2: is people lost

[2:24:47] Voice 3: on salt spring um and i know we have workforce shortages everywhere but no i get

[2:24:53] Trustee Morrison: the need to

[2:24:54] Voice 2: convince uh yeah desperate situation

[2:24:58] Voice 3: and um and i think we need a variety of models

[2:25:02] Voice 3: and things to to this is a home ownership model which is is uh no

[2:25:09] Trustee Morrison: i understand the model completely

[2:25:10] Trustee Morrison: i'm not actually debating the model just the density on on island's trust area so um so that's

[2:25:18] Trustee Morrison: that's my sort of a comment i don't know that we need an official statement about it because

[2:25:22] Trustee Morrison: like what what do they expect back from it just like the

[2:25:25] Voice 2: referral response summary on page two

[2:25:28] Voice 2: oh

[2:25:28] Trustee Morrison: yeah there it is so i would like a like approval uh i don't know interest unaffected

[2:25:36] Trustee Morrison: probably because like our interests on pender aren't really affected but with accounts just

[2:25:42] Trustee Morrison: saying like i don't know i don't i don't know how to handle this whole affordable housing thing

[2:25:49] Trustee Morrison: because i have ideas about it that are not about increasing density just about changing policy but

[2:25:54] Trustee Morrison: given the complicated jurisdictional issues we have between crd province and and the islands

[2:25:59] Trustee Morrison: trust it's a bigger project so i i get the problem oh

[2:26:03] Voice 2: so i mean like i said in an ideal world

[2:26:06] Voice 2: i look at you know we have density existing unbuilt density

[2:26:10] Voice 3: that has value and it's to move

[2:26:14] Voice 3: to me that's a commodity that move that density where it belongs um because we all have that

[2:26:21] Voice 3: we all have hopefully unbuilt density that's a positive because that means you know we need to

[2:26:28] Voice 3: move it away from the green areas on our islands that aren't built yeah

[2:26:32] Trustee McConchie: i also agree that our

[2:26:33] Trustee McConchie: interests are unaffected although um i mean just briefly in 20 seconds like the canadian

[2:26:39] Trustee McConchie: in housing market is 20 i think it was 21 percent the increase that's happened which is higher than

[2:26:45] Trustee McConchie: any other g8 country right

[2:26:47] Trustee McConchie: canada is dealing with a housing uh bubble of some kind right what i

[2:26:53] Trustee McConchie: don't know what this is and yeah we're having to to deal with this is a a extraordinary problem

[2:26:59] Trustee McConchie: we're handling and i don't envy the trustees on uh salt spring island uh to address all these

[2:27:05] Trustee McConchie: concerns because it's a very challenging uh position so please

[2:27:08] Trustee McConchie: still give uh i think we

[2:27:10] Trustee McConchie: should express support but also i i i understand your caution trustee morrison about density and

[2:27:16] Trustee McConchie: i think for future trust committees we'll have to address that going forward

[2:27:20] Voice 3: yeah no it's it's

[2:27:21] Voice 3: so frustrating to me i mean i've now recognized we and i don't know what's happening on this

[2:27:26] Voice 3: aisle again but we've got some corporate purchasing and flipping going on that is

[2:27:31] Voice 3: My house has doubled in value in less than six years and that's just appalling

[2:27:38] Voice 2: of how

[2:27:39] Voice 2: quickly the price is going

[2:27:41] Voice 3: up and it's being manipulated in a way that is

[2:27:45] Voice 2: so sad to see.

[2:27:48] Trustee McConchie: Well, it's just going to have long-term impact for the next 25 years.

[2:27:51] Trustee McConchie: All right, so what

[2:27:53] Trustee Morrison: would you like to do?

[2:27:54] Trustee Morrison: So I think it's interest unaffected.

[2:27:56] Trustee Morrison: i would like to put a cautionary note on it about just like some concerns about increased densities

[2:28:02] Trustee Morrison: how

[2:28:05] Voice 2: would you like to phrase that

[2:28:06] Voice 2: literally

[2:28:07] Trustee Morrison: just there's concerns about increased densities in the

[2:28:10] Trustee Morrison: trust area without and it's not really just increased density it's increased densities

[2:28:15] Trustee Morrison: without offset densities in the in other locations like overall increasing the number of people on

[2:28:27] Trustee Morrison: the island if you're taking it from one place and putting in another great if you're just adding

[2:28:32] Trustee Morrison: density so it's adding density so concerns about adding density

[2:28:39] Voice 2: shannon how are you doing there

[2:28:44] Voice 3: is that part of the motion

[2:28:45] Voice 2: so yeah the

[2:28:46] Voice 3: motion would be that

[2:28:47] Voice 3: the north kinder island local

[2:28:48] Voice 3: test community responsible for local trust committee referrals by law is number 504 and

[2:28:53] Voice 3: 505 with interest unaffected and are you adding to that motion she's adding a statement that

[2:29:04] Voice 2: Yeah,

[2:29:04] Trustee Morrison: it's interesting because I didn't think we needed a motion. I thought it was just the form that we have to fill out and we put comments.

[2:29:10] Voice 2: Yeah, we have to do that through resolution.

[2:29:12] Trustee Morrison: Oh my god. Okay, I hate bureaucracy. Can I just say that?

[2:29:18] Voice 2: Another option would be to have Trustee Morrison's statement recorded into the minute.

[2:29:23] Trustee Morrison: Yep, that's fine too. I'm fine with that.

[2:29:25] Trustee Morrison: Okay.

[2:29:26] Voice 2: So there you go. There

[2:29:27] Voice 3: you go. So then the motion was, as she read before your statement

[2:29:31] Voice 3: would be added to the motion. So is there one of you wishing to make that motion?

[2:29:34] Voice 3: Go

[2:29:35] Trustee McConchie: ahead, Trustee Morrison.

[2:29:36] Voice 8: I so move.

[2:29:38] Voice 8: Is there

[2:29:38] Voice 3: a second? I second. Any discussion? I'll call the vote. All those in favor?

[2:29:45] Voice 3: And so

[2:29:46] Trustee Morrison: my comment to be recorded, Shannon, would just be that I have concerns about

[2:29:51] Trustee Morrison: about added density in the trust area, as opposed to density transfer.

[2:30:00] Voice 2: okay we have another salt spring referral here at 12.8 and that is another salt spring one and this

[2:30:08] Voice 2: is about uh a rezoning uh for you've heard the francis

[2:30:14] Voice 3: bread this is friends um and it's a

[2:30:17] Voice 3: rezoning uh and this is right right in town basically right next to or across the street

[2:30:24] Voice 3: from the hastings house uh properties right in town i'd

[2:30:28] Trustee McConchie: like to make a motion that the

[2:30:29] Trustee McConchie: that our North Pedder Island Local Trust Committee's

[2:30:31] Trustee McConchie: interests are unaffected.

[2:30:32] Trustee McConchie: Is

[2:30:33] Voice 3: there a second?

[2:30:34] Voice 3: Anybody else have any discussion?

[2:30:36] Voice 3: All those in favor?

[2:30:38] Voice 3: And that's carried, right?

[2:30:41] Voice 2: So moving on, we have our top priorities list here

[2:30:45] Voice 2: in our projects list.

[2:30:47] Voice 2: Are there any changes that need to be made at this time?

[2:30:54] Trustee Morrison: Where are we at on the groundwater?

[2:30:58] Trustee Morrison: Are we seeing that today?

[2:31:00] Trustee McConchie: William hasn't replied to my emails.

[2:31:01] Trustee McConchie: else. I'm

[2:31:02] Voice 3: not sure where he's at.

[2:31:03] Voice 3: There is some work on regulatory changes. I think it was September.

[2:31:16] Voice 3: William was on vacation.

[2:31:18] Voice 3: He

[2:31:18] Trustee McConchie: was on vacation.

[2:31:19] Trustee McConchie: He wasn't ignoring

[2:31:20] Trustee McConchie: Okay, I didn't know that. Oh, no, I think it would just be my

[2:31:26] Trustee McConchie: suggestion just was that when the groundwater mapping that

[2:31:30] Trustee McConchie: someone can just go to the website, North Pender

[2:31:32] Trustee McConchie: groundwater results click on like uh henderson's report click on you know the history like if

[2:31:39] Trustee McConchie: you're interested in groundwater that we just have a segment of the website you go to and you

[2:31:43] Trustee McConchie: look it up i'm just wondering how well william was that's that's all i wanted to do great awesome

[2:31:50] Trustee Morrison: so is that the intent in a year or is that the intent in a month and i say it like kindly and

[2:31:56] Trustee Morrison: yet a little frustrated because this project has taken a lot longer than anticipated so

[2:32:01] Trustee Morrison: So can we have a timeline on that?

[2:32:03] Trustee Morrison: I

[2:32:03] Voice 3: hear your frustration, Christine.

[2:32:07] Trustee Morrison: Do I get really clipped when I'm frustrated?

[2:32:11] Trustee Morrison: No, no.

[2:32:16] Trustee Morrison: So can we compel it in some way as a timeline?

[2:32:19] Trustee Morrison: I'm trying my best to do so.

[2:32:20] Trustee Morrison: Okay.

[2:32:22] Trustee Morrison: Is

[2:32:23] Trustee McConchie: there anything the local trust committee can do to assist, Robert?

[2:32:26] Trustee Morrison: Yes.

[2:32:26] Trustee Morrison: Can we assist you in some way?

[2:32:28] Trustee Morrison: We

[2:32:28] Voice 3: might bring you in at some point.

[2:32:30] Voice 3: Okay, great.

[2:32:31] Trustee Morrison: Okay, yeah.

[2:32:32] Voice 3: Yeah. Okay.

[2:32:34] Trustee Morrison: Okay. I tried to deep breathe every time I see a deadline slide by on that one.

[2:32:39] Voice 3: I can tell you that

[2:32:41] Voice 3: nurses

[2:32:41] Voice 3: Target work on the

[2:32:43] Voice 3: Yeah, that's

[2:32:45] Trustee Morrison: great. Yeah, that's great. Yeah.

[2:32:48] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:32:49] Voice 3: All

[2:32:50] Voice 2: right, so there's no changes

[2:32:53] Voice 3: or anything at this time we have an applications list here.

[2:32:57] Voice 3: Questions on any of the applications.

[2:32:59] Voice 3: any

[2:33:00] Trustee McConchie: word from james island uh no the provincial

[2:33:05] Voice 3: approving officer they are

[2:33:06] Voice 3: actually i think it's passed so i came to my mind the other day that the deadline for

[2:33:12] Voice 3: the deadline has passed

[2:33:21] Trustee McConchie: okay any update

[2:33:23] Voice 3: when you guys

[2:33:23] Trustee McConchie: in the email would be interesting yeah you know

[2:33:25] Trustee McConchie: going for yeah um all

[2:33:29] Trustee Morrison: right um i had a question and i don't think it's on this list but i had a

[2:33:37] Trustee Morrison: question about the temporary use permit on the concrete plant is that on this list somewhere

[2:33:46] Voice 3: it's a one issue um that's uh so there's a file on enforcement and or sorry there's a compliance

[2:33:55] Voice 3: agreement with pending my understanding is that it hasn't been signed despite by law enforcement

[2:34:02] Voice 3: trying to get signed so the

[2:34:04] Trustee Morrison: current the current like temporary use permit that we have like

[2:34:08] Trustee Morrison: put out has not been signed no

[2:34:11] Voice 3: no it's been issued but um their part of that was there

[2:34:16] Voice 3: was conditions that needed to be outstanding conditions that need to be met both by their

[2:34:21] Voice 3: are environmental um over the uh consultant and um that we placed on them to have extra conditions

[2:34:33] Voice 3: and they were supposed to be implemented before quote-unquote the rain fall so okay

[2:34:40] Trustee Morrison: so if that's

[2:34:42] Trustee Morrison: not in place i like is there a recourse for us can we pull it and like require them to stop work

[2:34:49] Trustee Morrison: No.

[2:34:50] Voice 3: So when does it expire?

[2:34:52] Voice 3: I would say

[2:34:53] Voice 3: two years, wasn't it?

[2:34:55] Voice 3: We would be forcing on those commissions. That's what Phil is saying.

[2:35:05] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:35:07] Voice 3: Not getting much of a response.

[2:35:10] Voice 3: Well,

[2:35:10] Trustee Morrison: we can maybe help with that. So do you need a motion to have bylaw enforcement

[2:35:17] Trustee Morrison: that come and give us a report on that file um next month is

[2:35:22] Voice 2: that a yes yes yeah

[2:35:24] Trustee Morrison: so i move that

[2:35:26] Trustee Morrison: the north pender local trust committee uh request an update on the temporary use permit number

[2:35:33] Trustee Morrison: something related to the concrete plan um at the next local trust committee meeting

[2:35:39] Trustee McConchie: second

[2:35:41] Voice 3: all right i'll give shannon a moment when you're ready read that back i don't have access to what

[2:35:49] Voice 3: HAB-Masyn Moyer- I

[2:35:50] Trustee Morrison: have no idea what that number is.

[2:35:51] Voice 3: HAB-Masyn Moyer- staff

[2:35:54] Voice 2: will provide you that number.

[2:35:55] Voice 2: HAB

[2:35:59] Voice 3: -Masyn Moyer- Concrete plant to you.

[2:36:00] Voice 3: HAB-Masyn Moyer- yeah

[2:36:01] Trustee Morrison: that's fine yeah Thank you.

[2:36:06] Trustee McConchie: HAB-Danny Teodoru- Do we need to make this motion to get something done.

[2:36:10] Trustee McConchie: HAB

[2:36:11] Trustee Morrison: -Masyn Moyer-

[2:36:11] Trustee McConchie: I want

[2:36:14] Trustee Morrison: bylaw to come and tell us what's going on with that.

[2:36:18] Trustee McConchie: HAB-Danny Teodoru- Will that be in general, yes, yes, yeah

[2:36:21] Trustee Morrison: okay.

[2:36:26] Voice 3: trust committee requesting update and follow enforcement for the concrete plan temporary

[2:36:31] Voice 3: use permit at the next north pender island that's great all right okay

[2:36:37] Voice 8: so i so move

[2:36:38] Trustee McConchie: i second yeah

[2:36:40] Trustee Morrison: and any discussion um i just guess the one other piece of discussion related to this is like i

[2:36:46] Trustee Morrison: will certainly communicate this and please um staff feel free to communicate that we're requesting

[2:36:52] Trustee Morrison: this kind of update and we're aware that they are dragging their heels

[2:36:58] Voice 2: Right. I'll call the vote then. All those in favor? Not scary. All right.

[2:37:05] Trustee Morrison: TUP enforcement's only good if there's a TUP in place. So, like, what's going on?

[2:37:11] Trustee McConchie: Okay.

[2:37:13] Trustee McConchie: The TUP's in place is what Robert's saying, Trustee Morrison. The enforcement is the issue.

[2:37:18] Trustee Morrison: The enforcement's the issue. Okay. So, that's good to know.

[2:37:21] Trustee McConchie: They're not fulfilling the requirements of the TUP.

[2:37:24] Trustee Morrison: Okay. So, that's certainly not going to be reissued or anything related to it if it's not refilled.

[2:37:30] Trustee Morrison: So, okay, thank you.

[2:37:32] Voice 2: All right.

[2:37:33] Voice 2: There's no other questions on application.

[2:37:35] Voice 2: Can

[2:37:35] Voice 3: I just, I just want to answer,

[2:37:37] Voice 3: trust in the chronicles.

[2:37:38] Voice 3: Oh, sorry.

[2:37:38] Voice 3: So, the produce for James Island,

[2:37:42] Voice 2: yeah,

[2:37:42] Voice 3: August 24th, there was a 60-day calendar date.

[2:37:46] Voice 3: So, probably the last couple of days.

[2:37:48] Voice 3: Interesting.

[2:37:49] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:37:50] Voice 3: Well, I'll actually reach out and find out for that.

[2:37:53] Trustee McConchie: Mm-hmm.

[2:37:53] Trustee McConchie: Mm-hmm.

[2:37:54] Trustee McConchie: A position for the PAO to be in, certainly.

[2:37:59] Trustee McConchie: uh just quickly about the wind jammer self-storage are we going to see this

[2:38:03] Voice 3: as the next meeting

[2:38:03] Voice 3: uh so the proposal is um and i've sent this to um mr harvard harvard is that we'll be bringing

[2:38:12] Voice 3: a preliminary report um likely with a draft um with a request whether or not okay okay thanks

[2:38:25] Trustee McConchie: That's all of my questions, but all

[2:38:29] Voice 3: right. We have the Spencer boards here for your information.

[2:38:35] Voice 3: We have also our adopted policies and standing resolutions.

[2:38:43] Trustee Morrison: That sorry, this is probably new business that I forgot to put on the agenda. So I'll wait.

[2:38:48] Trustee Morrison: okay

[2:38:48] Voice 2: um and then we have the island stress conservancy report here again for your

[2:38:54] Voice 3: information and that does bring us to the business uh on page 298 item 15.1 is the model

[2:39:02] Voice 3: bylaw for the new or the new fee bylaw that's here so request for direction and decision

[2:39:12] Voice 3: on proceeding with the new formal fee by-law.

[2:39:24] Voice 3: What would you like to do?

[2:39:29] Trustee McConchie: Go ahead, Trustee Morrison.

[2:39:33] Trustee Morrison: So maybe a couple of things to say related to this.

[2:39:36] Trustee Morrison: So right now,

[2:39:39] Voice 8: process for .

[2:39:49] Trustee McConchie: Trustee Morrison, we couldn't hear your thoughts.

[2:39:52] Voice 8: Sorry, can you hear me now?

[2:39:58] Trustee McConchie: It's just, it's an internet here.

[2:40:00] Trustee McConchie: Can you

[2:40:00] Trustee Morrison: hear me now?

[2:40:01] Trustee McConchie: Go ahead, start again.

[2:40:02] Trustee Morrison: Okay, I got one too.

[2:40:04] Trustee Morrison: We're all on stage.

[2:40:09] Trustee Morrison: The model fee bylaws are addressing an issue

[2:40:12] Trustee Morrison: that I've been raising for,

[2:40:13] Trustee Morrison: I think it's coming up on two years now in Trust Council

[2:40:17] Trustee Morrison: related to the fact that planning services have,

[2:40:22] Trustee Morrison: well, the Trust Council has a policy

[2:40:24] Trustee Morrison: to cost recovery for application costs.

[2:40:27] Trustee Morrison: costs um in almost all cases except if there's a community need is the idea and so that means

[2:40:34] Trustee Morrison: that individual property owners if they want to do something on their land they have to pay for

[2:40:38] Trustee Morrison: the cost of what it really costs the true costs of a permit but some confusion about what those

[2:40:45] Trustee Morrison: true costs are and this is the best estimate that the planning services committee currently came up

[2:40:50] Trustee Morrison: with um i don't completely agree that this is going to cost recovery but i'm certainly willing

[2:40:57] Trustee Morrison: willing to give it a stab because right now there's roughly about and this is super rough

[2:41:02] Trustee Morrison: but it's somewhere in the order of three million dollars is going toward planning application

[2:41:05] Trustee Morrison: through staff through all sorts of you know aspects of that and 130 000 is being recovered

[2:41:11] Trustee Morrison: that's just not appropriate to me because that means every taxpayer is paying that

[2:41:15] Trustee Morrison: the additional cost and i really do feel that the applicant should be paying the cost not the

[2:41:20] Trustee Morrison: taxpayer generally so um but not everyone agrees with me so just to be clear there's counter

[2:41:27] Trustee Morrison: arguments um so i'm for uh adopting the model bylaws um and the things in red i'm open to

[2:41:38] Trustee Morrison: hearing some conversation around but i am i'm for adopting them and and whatever we need to do

[2:41:44] Trustee Morrison: to get that moving no

[2:41:48] Voice 2: it's i couldn't agree with you more i mean one one cost i did i did

[2:41:52] Voice 2: raise at fbc we need to consider push further is because we have this divided model where

[2:42:01] Voice 2: the crd issues the building permit and we have the land use when we are referred a building permit

[2:42:11] Voice 2: can't charge for referrals and we're doing work really in

[2:42:14] Voice 3: support of development but we can't

[2:42:16] Voice 3: charge for that and i think that's an area we should

[2:42:18] Voice 2: push back on because that's a cost of the

[2:42:21] Voice 2: building permit

[2:42:22] Voice 6: that

[2:42:23] Voice 2: either they charge more for their building permits and we recover the cost

[2:42:27] Voice 3: but i think there's opportunity you know we i think there's other costs that we need to get

[2:42:31] Voice 3: more creative and going after that are here because of this joint relationship and development

[2:42:42] Voice 6: but

[2:42:43] Voice 2: anyway what would you like to do with this model

[2:42:45] Voice 2: feel like rival them um

[2:42:48] Trustee McConchie: well my opinion on this is i find this all very dull

[2:42:54] Trustee McConchie: and uh tedious um and i find some of the numbers to be arbitrary like they're i don't know how

[2:43:00] Trustee McConchie: they come up with these numbers um the major cons i mean in all seriousness my my actual

[2:43:06] Trustee McConchie: concern about it is like the combining of liquor and cannabis in prices i don't think liquor and

[2:43:13] Trustee McConchie: cannabis are the same thing but i don't understand why they've been lumped together um and why would

[2:43:18] Trustee McConchie: they come up with that price um but most importantly for me i agree with what trustee

[2:43:24] Trustee McConchie: morrison's saying like i i really agree that um we need to to think about uh cost recovery and

[2:43:31] Trustee McConchie: how we're addressing that um so i'm not sure how to pursue that trustee morrison what do you what

[2:43:35] Trustee McConchie: are your objectives and goals here because i think you're in the same with you patrick well i can

[2:43:39] Voice 3: can explain how the price because i was on i'm on the local or regional planning committee and

[2:43:44] Voice 2: my understanding is under the local government act we are limited in

[2:43:47] Voice 3: charging fees have to be

[2:43:49] Voice 3: the average cost or something of that number the average cost

[2:43:52] Voice 2: processing that

[2:43:56] Voice 2: and uh and so that was you know some of the work that we had done of looking at the average you

[2:44:02] Voice 2: know costs of rezoning is the hardest one because it does have a wider range of cost range but

[2:44:12] Voice 3: so there is a model that's been applied that's where i started to think of what are we

[2:44:16] Voice 3: missing for costs and this cost of reviewing like land use for a referred building is a lost cost

[2:44:24] Voice 3: that we we don't get to recover so there's some how many other cases that could be

[2:44:33] Voice 3: like that that might be recoverable using a different model but this is you know pure cost of

[2:44:41] Voice 3: of the application and averaging it out yeah

[2:44:45] Trustee Morrison: and i think the the my skepticism about these numbers

[2:44:50] Trustee Morrison: is the issue that the the data process for determining those average costs is less than

[2:44:56] Trustee Morrison: optimal um it's it's you know it's not every permit for the last five years that we had data

[2:45:01] Trustee Morrison: on because we weren't collecting data on it so like that's where I'm skeptical but it's better

[2:45:06] Trustee Morrison: than what it was in the in the sense of it's getting closer to cost recovery than it was and

[2:45:11] Trustee Morrison: we'll know more hopefully in another year or two and we can always revise as we go forward so I'm

[2:45:17] Trustee Morrison: okay with this I see that we do need to do something related to the definition of community

[2:45:21] Trustee Morrison: benefit so Robert is it something that you need us to kind of say yes we're interested in going

[2:45:27] Trustee Morrison: going forward and can we dig out from our OCP,

[2:45:29] Trustee Morrison: the definition of community benefit

[2:45:31] Trustee Morrison: and what other things might you need direction on?

[2:45:40] Voice 3: First-term application results in provision of an amenity

[2:45:43] Voice 3: that is of value to the community

[2:45:45] Voice 3: and identified in the official community plan.

[2:45:50] Voice 3: So it's got the definition in the law.

[2:45:52] Trustee Morrison: Okay, oh, for some reason I'm looking at,

[2:45:54] Trustee Morrison: I just see it as red here.

[2:45:58] Trustee Morrison: Oh, is the one that's in there, it is ours?

[2:46:02] Trustee Morrison: No, this is the

[2:46:03] Trustee McConchie: local trust community

[2:46:03] Trustee McConchie: HAB-Masyn Moyer- We would define Community benefit here, based on official Community plan right page three when i'm sorry for.

[2:46:09] Trustee McConchie: HAB

[2:46:10] Trustee Morrison: -Masyn Moyer- yeah

[2:46:10] Trustee McConchie: that's where.

[2:46:12] Trustee McConchie: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Trust yeah

[2:46:13] Trustee Morrison: that's where I am sorry were you referencing some other place.

[2:46:17] Voice 3: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Well,

[2:46:18] Voice 2: what would happen is the staff would bring back a bylaw that drafted for

[2:46:24] Voice 3: you, and then you would have those comments as this goes.

[2:46:27] Trustee Morrison: HAB-Masyn Moyer

[2:46:28] Trustee Morrison: - All right, that's what I would like to do, I would say that we should go ahead and put the recommendation on the table.

[2:46:34] Trustee Morrison: that's in the report because that's what it that's your right that's exactly what it's asking for

[2:46:39] Voice 3: okay so we'd like to make that trusting

[2:46:41] Trustee McConchie: oh my

[2:46:43] Trustee Morrison: gosh i would love to make that motion that the north

[2:46:46] Trustee Morrison: pender island local trust committee require request staff to draft a new fee by law based

[2:46:50] Trustee Morrison: on the model fee by law attached to trust policy a trust council policy five six one application

[2:46:57] Trustee Morrison: processing services I

[2:46:59] Voice 3: am

[2:47:00] Trustee Morrison: ecstatic to see this okay

[2:47:04] Voice 2: okay

[2:47:07] Voice 3: no

[2:47:29] Voice 10: I didn't look at the

[2:47:31] Voice 10: dates i guess i should refresh my calendar and look at the dates do

[2:47:43] Voice 3: you have that email handy

[2:47:44] Voice 3: from kim for the dates for the after

[2:47:47] Trustee Morrison: oct for january yeah

[2:47:49] Voice 3: january yeah

[2:47:50] Trustee Morrison: let me grab that too

[2:47:52] Trustee Morrison: let me just quickly

[2:47:53] Voice 3: check yeah

[2:47:54] Trustee Morrison: that sounds fine um and i'm also just gonna um quickly check these

[2:48:02] Trustee Morrison: annual meeting dates too um allowed one virtual meeting a year right

[2:48:17] Trustee Morrison: because you can see a problem

[2:48:21] Voice 3: yes i

[2:48:23] Trustee Morrison: thought

[2:48:24] Voice 3: our internal policy

[2:48:25] Trustee Morrison: was one oh

[2:48:27] Trustee Morrison: unless

[2:48:27] Voice 3: the ltc passes a resolution correct

[2:48:31] Trustee Morrison: there's a way around

[2:48:33] Voice 10: we left ourselves a door

[2:48:37] Voice 10: Okay. Well, ideally I can actually be there. Okay. Just amusing that the first one I checked

[2:48:43] Voice 10: was the one that was probably.

[2:48:51] Voice 3: No, that's all right.

[2:48:54] Voice 2: Okay. So the next item

[2:48:56] Voice 3: is a new business

[2:48:57] Voice 3: item that's raised by Trustee McConkie on Magic Lake and advocating.

[2:49:02] Trustee McConchie: Sorry, that's why I wanted

[2:49:02] Trustee McConchie: to go to the Washington because I've got a bunch of motions here that I want to propose and I want

[2:49:06] Trustee McConchie: be able to clearly think um too much information

[2:49:09] Trustee McConchie: just being honest here i'm always honest with my

[2:49:13] Trustee McConchie: constituents uh okay so um i want to find out what the plan for the lake i'm going to call it

[2:49:22] Trustee McConchie: lake remediation or how to improve the quality of magic and we talked about it in our application

[2:49:29] Trustee McConchie: today. The trust is doing its job. I would like the CRD to step up. So I'm wondering

[2:49:35] Trustee McConchie: if you guys would be supportive of a motion to advocate. So my motion goes like this,

[2:49:41] Trustee McConchie: that the local trust committee direct staff to write the CRD electoral area and CRD Magic

[2:49:48] Trustee McConchie: Lake sewer and water committee or commission. I can't remember if it's committee or commission

[2:49:52] Trustee McConchie: to advocate for invasive management, environmental management and water quality improvements

[2:49:57] Trustee McConchie: improvements to Magic Lake.

[2:50:00] Voice 3: Alright, so that's a motion.

[2:50:02] Trustee McConchie: Yep.

[2:50:03] Voice 3: Chair Shannon typing away.

[2:50:07] Voice 3: What was the last item?

[2:50:09] Trustee McConchie: I said, and water quality improvements to Magic Lake.

[2:50:18] Trustee McConchie: Basically, I want a letter

[2:50:19] Trustee McConchie: from us formally

[2:50:21] Trustee McConchie: to these parties

[2:50:23] Trustee McConchie: saying, what's your guys' plan?

[2:50:26] Trustee McConchie: And hopefully

[2:50:27] Trustee McConchie: they give us a response.

[2:50:28] Trustee McConchie: Because in order for this ecosystem to remain healthy,

[2:50:31] Trustee McConchie: for properties

[2:50:34] Trustee McConchie: properties to maintain their beauty requires some effort from the crd

[2:50:38] Trustee McConchie: i want to know that and multi-jurisdictional uh collaboration so

[2:50:42] Voice 10: invasive management

[2:50:49] Trustee McConchie: environmental management and water quality improvements to magically

[2:50:55] Trustee McConchie: just and i'm kind of painting a wide brush that's

[2:51:00] Voice 10: okay i think that's good yeah

[2:51:02] Voice 10: it did this catch it then did the north pender island local trust committee direct staff to

[2:51:07] Voice 10: write to the capital regional district electoral area enlargement water and sewer management

[2:51:12] Voice 10: commission for invasive management environment

[2:51:15] Voice 8: management and water quality improvements

[2:51:19] Trustee McConchie: yeah

[2:51:19] Voice 3: essentially does that make sense is that

[2:51:21] Voice 3: clear is that a director

[2:51:22] Voice 3: yeah

[2:51:23] Trustee McConchie: director this year here electoral director

[2:51:27] Trustee Morrison: yeah and

[2:51:28] Trustee Morrison: shannon i would just ask i would i would just ask that we put invasive species

[2:51:33] Trustee McConchie: invasive species yeah i mean it's i believe milfoil is invasive yes yeah

[2:51:37] Trustee McConchie: so and the whole

[2:51:39] Trustee McConchie: lake i'd say the whole like half the lake is being infiltrated by it so

[2:51:45] Voice 2: you're writing to

[2:51:46] Voice 2: advocate for them well

[2:51:48] Trustee McConchie: that's so that's the thing like narissa for example she she wrote the

[2:51:52] Trustee McConchie: process at crd with regards to what are you guys doing with bike paths or modular trails and she

[2:51:58] Trustee McConchie: suggested to do it this way to right start the formal letter writing process to kind of begin

[2:52:04] Trustee McConchie: to advocate to advocate awareness about this particular issue so uh i don't know i i mean i

[2:52:11] Trustee McConchie: kind of called on staff to direct yeah

[2:52:15] Voice 3: can

[2:52:15] Trustee McConchie: you

[2:52:17] Voice 3: talk to the electoral director you gotta well

[2:52:20] Trustee McConchie: this is the reason this is the reason why i'm doing this robert is because the electoral area

[2:52:25] Trustee McConchie: area director tends to avoid work and it gets it gets passed off. Now this would create

[2:52:37] Trustee McConchie: awareness and public awareness as well. So the intent is to, you know, notice that the

[2:52:45] Trustee McConchie: CRD responds well to public criticism. And I'm not I'm certainly not advocating for us

[2:52:51] Trustee McConchie: to write a critical letter but it's mainly a letter to ask what is your plan for lake remediation and

[2:52:58] Trustee McConchie: then i can use that letter uh on behalf

[2:53:02] Voice 6: of the trust

[2:53:02] Trustee McConchie: committee to create public awareness about

[2:53:04] Trustee McConchie: this issue

[2:53:05] Voice 2: does

[2:53:07] Trustee McConchie: that make sense

[2:53:08] Voice 2: yeah well i guess we have a formal discussion here then are you

[2:53:12] Voice 2: willing to second the motion yeah so let's second it just come now we're in discussion

[2:53:16] Voice 3: yeah that's

[2:53:17] Voice 3: sorry yes just

[2:53:19] Voice 2: because we were missing

[2:53:20] Voice 3: it what the letter was doing so i just put it

[2:53:22] Voice 3: that you were writing to discuss invasive species management environmental management and water

[2:53:27] Voice 3: quality advocate for management yes

[2:53:31] Trustee McConchie: we can advocate for improved management of i suppose of

[2:53:35] Trustee McConchie: invasive species and water quality i might

[2:53:49] Trustee McConchie: make concession yeah

[2:53:50] Voice 10: yeah sorry

[2:53:53] Trustee McConchie: i just want to make

[2:53:54] Trustee McConchie: sure i was doing this right

[2:53:58] Voice 8: advocating for improved management of species management

[2:54:03] Voice 8: and water quality improvements so can we just like advocate that to advocate so you're writing

[2:54:07] Voice 8: to advocate for invasive species management environmental management and water quality

[2:54:12] Voice 8: and specifically we're

[2:54:19] Trustee McConchie: asking what's up i

[2:54:21] Voice 3: was going to ask should that also be addressed to

[2:54:25] Voice 3: winrow as resource owner or crd discretion

[2:54:31] Voice 3: it makes sense

[2:54:41] Trustee McConchie: right because we're we're debating the vpa area for a swamp right and i want to make

[2:54:48] Trustee McConchie: sure that we're like we're making efforts for just it's holistic that's what i

[2:54:53] Voice 3: see it's a watershed

[2:54:54] Voice 3: it to me it's a watershed issue because the whole watershed affects it and uh and you know we there

[2:55:01] Voice 3: would be shared actions if you want to think of it that way of who who does what you know

[2:55:07] Voice 3: to improve the overall health so there's opportunities to work together there's

[2:55:13] Voice 3: opportunities you need to do special tax requisitions and generate money to work on

[2:55:19] Voice 2: this if you had to but uh you know so it's a good conversation to have and you know to me a lake or

[2:55:26] Voice 3: watershed needs a management system in place to to look after its health and have objectives and

[2:55:34] Voice 3: you know your goal is to improve it so sorry um

[2:55:40] Trustee Morrison: i i agree with everything you just said laura and

[2:55:43] Trustee Morrison: my initial visceral response is i like how it's all it's all of our problem when it's about like

[2:55:50] Trustee Morrison: proactively doing it but the crd can come in and rip a dam out and like totally destroy a

[2:55:57] Trustee Morrison: water body so i'm like i have mixed feelings about how this crd plays

[2:56:02] Trustee Morrison: so um i think that this is really an important step and i'm all for it

[2:56:07] Trustee Morrison: yeah

[2:56:10] Voice 2: okay good point all right any further discussion i'll follow

[2:56:15] Voice 3: both then all those

[2:56:15] Voice 3: in favor and that's carried and then you have another item on the tomorrow planning commission

[2:56:21] Voice 3: um

[2:56:22] Trustee McConchie: i'd like i have a motion that's okay it's essentially to make the meetings with the aapc

[2:56:28] Trustee McConchie: has requested the agriculture advisory planning commission quarterly so that would be every three

[2:56:33] Trustee McConchie: months they want to have a formal discussion in a public setting so my motion is that the local

[2:56:40] Trustee McConchie: trust committee meet quarterly with the agricultural advisory planning commission

[2:56:45] Trustee McConchie: should i say for 2022 yeah

[2:56:48] Trustee Morrison: i think i'd like to just constrain it to a year to begin with

[2:56:52] Trustee Morrison: and then because it seems like four times a year seems a lot of additional meetings if it's every

[2:56:56] Trustee Morrison: year the

[2:56:58] Trustee McConchie: aapc members told me they did not didn't want a big long meeting they just want to know

[2:57:03] Trustee McConchie: that trustees are being heard in future terms oh

[2:57:06] Trustee Morrison: so maybe they do want it longer then i'm not sure

[2:57:08] Trustee McConchie: i mean we could try it for a year and see how it goes yeah so when

[2:57:12] Trustee McConchie: i local trust me i'm not sure

[2:57:13] Trustee McConchie: laurie or chair patrick your uh experiences on salt spain no

[2:57:16] Voice 2: i'll say that i mean i'm just going to

[2:57:18] Voice 2: focus on sure i'll forget if we don't carry on so when shannon's ready

[2:57:22] Voice 3: if you can read that

[2:57:22] Voice 3: so you are doing it the motion is saying for just for 20 minutes yes

[2:57:27] Trustee Morrison: well it doesn't yeah

[2:57:28] Trustee Morrison: Yeah. Yeah, I

[2:57:30] Trustee Morrison: would go. Yeah, I would go because what you just said Ben makes me think that it should be like just period, and then we can revoke it if we decide not to do it, so that they know that we have the long term vision invested.

[2:57:43] Trustee McConchie: Yeah.

[2:57:43] Trustee Morrison: And so no 2022.

[2:57:46] Trustee McConchie: Correct.

[2:57:49] Voice 3: Meet quarterly with the North Tender Island Agricultural Advisory.

[2:57:56] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:57:57] Voice 3: Is that seconded?

[2:57:59] Trustee Morrison: Yeah.

[2:58:02] Trustee Morrison: Can I throw a couple of comments too after you're done? You go ahead first.

[2:58:06] Voice 2: I'm happy to share. So Salt Spring did the same. We made it formal with the Agricultural

[2:58:13] Voice 2: Planning Commission

[2:58:14] Voice 3: as well as the Ag Alliance because that's an organization that exists on

[2:58:20] Voice 3: Salt Spring. It has turned out to be a very good process because we've been able to,

[2:58:26] Voice 3: now that we've got the channels open they're able to tell us where they've had frustrations or

[2:58:32] Voice 3: things that we haven't even been thinking about and it really helped accelerate the

[2:58:39] Voice 3: changes for the housing uh particularly to this new alc uh changes because we already

[2:58:45] Voice 3: had this process all set up and so we were able to move quickly from is this a good idea to draft

[2:58:51] Voice 3: quite a lot because of having this formal relationship so we have a lot of work to do

[2:58:57] Voice 3: and I think it's good stepping us in the right direction.

[2:59:01] Trustee McConchie: I also really appreciate when folks

[2:59:05] Trustee McConchie: write really detailed policy discussions which is what we seem to be getting out of this group

[2:59:11] Trustee McConchie: right now

[2:59:11] Voice 6: really

[2:59:12] Trustee McConchie: dense deep thinking policy discussions rather than you know I appreciate

[2:59:20] Trustee McConchie: jail correspondences gets written but this is like they've thought through what the wording says

[2:59:24] Trustee McConchie: very solid recommendations it seems to be to be a really useful body that we've created

[2:59:28] Trustee McConchie: here on north pender so i just want to keep it going make sure they're encouraged to continue

[2:59:33] Trustee McConchie: to share their opinion so

[2:59:35] Trustee Morrison: i i agree with everything said i think my only hesitancy

[2:59:39] Trustee Morrison: is it's frankly a workload challenge and a scheduling challenge and so i'm wondering

[2:59:45] Trustee Morrison: if if we think about how we can time our other meetings to piggyback onto them or to

[2:59:53] Trustee Morrison: um just plan them in a way that's on a weekend i don't know like something that is

[3:00:00] Trustee McConchie: i was going to suggest that it could just be one representative from the ltc too

[3:00:03] Trustee McConchie: can mean yeah

[3:00:04] Trustee Morrison: that's true that could be although i want to be there too because i think it's really

[3:00:07] Trustee Morrison: interesting look at the

[3:00:09] Trustee McConchie: technology i mean man maybe there'll be a hologram of you one day

[3:00:12] Trustee McConchie: like you know i don't think there's anything wrong with the way we're

[3:00:15] Voice 3: going we're doing ours

[3:00:16] Voice 3: a special meeting so we can do them virtual we don't have to meet in person and we're doing them

[3:00:21] Voice 3: uh at sort of the dinner hour uh has been what we're doing amongst ourselves and we've scheduled

[3:00:27] Voice 3: each meeting is scheduled and we schedule the next meeting in consideration of the growing

[3:00:32] Voice 3: season and all that so we kind of work together to set that time to be so we we don't

[3:00:39] Voice 2: set it out

[3:00:39] Voice 2: i think we i think we've uh i think we did agree to like some some

[3:00:44] Voice 3: dates you know like two or three

[3:00:46] Voice 3: but we did that together okay we didn't set them yeah we had a meeting and then set the dates

[3:00:52] Voice 3: I see. Yeah.

[3:00:54] Voice 1: So these would have to be agricultural APC meetings if the APC would schedule them in.

[3:00:59] Voice 1: Yeah, but

[3:01:00] Voice 3: we don't do that on Salt Spring. On Salt Spring, there are Salt Spring local trust committee special meetings.

[3:01:05] Voice 3: So, I mean, we can't support another four special meetings, especially if it's...

[3:01:10] Voice 3: So

[3:01:14] Trustee McConchie: we need a one minute ticker.

[3:01:17] Voice 3: So the APC has a paid minute ticker.

[3:01:19] Trustee McConchie: yeah

[3:01:19] Voice 3: yeah so uh shannon is the secretary to the pc she she handles the meeting

[3:01:29] Voice 3: chair she posts the notice books the place takes the minutes

[3:01:35] Voice 3: everything else yeah you set those meetings up and invite the ltc to attend and

[3:01:53] Voice 7: sorry sorry robert i missed the last part so two of

[3:01:56] Voice 3: us cannot attend

[3:01:57] Voice 3: you could attend three of you could attend so we all could attend or one

[3:02:01] Trustee McConchie: okay

[3:02:02] Voice 7: that sounds great we're good

[3:02:03] Voice 7: hosting

[3:02:04] Trustee McConchie: the meeting and it's a public place what about this

[3:02:08] Trustee McConchie: it's just with the regresses so they've requested this yep we heard them let's try it out

[3:02:18] Trustee McConchie: Shannon's having a heck of a time because I know the biggest part of scheduling like

[3:02:21] Trustee McConchie: when are you available and everyone's like not any time except for 1 a.m to 6 a.m you know and

[3:02:27] Trustee McConchie: so you know whatever is realistic to see how this goes because this is a new thing so

[3:02:33] Trustee McConchie: I hear you Robert so it becomes cumbersome and maybe in the in a couple LTC meetings you're

[3:02:38] Trustee McConchie: know what to say we'll scrap it or not all right

[3:02:40] Voice 3: all right uh okay then i'll follow up then all

[3:02:44] Voice 3: those in favor and that's carried and you have okay

[3:02:48] Trustee McConchie: this is my last one i don't even know where

[3:02:51] Trustee McConchie: this motion is going to go to be honest trustees because uh i'm hearing from folks and i know them

[3:02:56] Trustee McConchie: personally that they're just they're getting kicked out of their temporary housing um in

[3:03:03] Trustee McConchie: particular there's a bylaw enforcement file on a person who's got a family and the current bylaw

[3:03:10] Trustee McConchie: states you can only have one structure or accessory building uh nesta in order and you can

[3:03:17] Trustee McConchie: live in that structure while you're building your house they've got a big family and they can't fit

[3:03:23] Trustee McConchie: into a trailer right like literally because they're teenage kids like four of them so and and

[3:03:30] Trustee McConchie: And now they're in a position where they don't know, okay, well, they're going to have to

[3:03:34] Trustee McConchie: rent a house where they can't find a place to rent.

[3:03:36] Trustee McConchie: You know, so my, my motion, uh, and also, sorry, before my train thought, but also I'm

[3:03:43] Trustee McConchie: also hearing from some folks that are, are just simply, uh, there's a complaint out about,

[3:03:47] Trustee McConchie: you know, trailers, they're living in a trailer, you know, and to me, this seems like it just

[3:03:56] Trustee McConchie: doesn't seem right to kick folks out of temporary housing right now.

[3:04:01] Trustee McConchie: uh i understand the health concerns i understand the density concerns i understand turning magic

[3:04:08] Trustee McConchie: lake into or where whatever into a trailer the park area you know and the problems with that

[3:04:15] Trustee McConchie: but i'm just wondering if from you guys is there any um is there any mechanism in which we can just

[3:04:21] Trustee McConchie: put a pause on kicking people out of their temporary housing right now while we come up

[3:04:26] Trustee McConchie: with logical solutions shall

[3:04:28] Voice 3: i read you what we have on salt so we have a standing resolution on

[3:04:32] Voice 3: salt spring and it says that the salt spring local trust committee adopt the following enforce

[3:04:36] Voice 3: enforcement policy enforcement activities will be deferred for all unlawful dwellings being used for

[3:04:43] Voice 3: residential purposes except in the following circumstances there are concerns regarding

[3:04:48] Voice 3: health and safety there are concerns that sewage is not being disposed of in an improved septic

[3:04:53] or sewage disposal system. There are concerns that septic or sewage disposal are being used in

[3:05:00] excess or capacity of ability as

[3:05:03] Voice 3: a result of unlawful dwelling and there are concerns of

[3:05:06] Voice 3: possible contamination of wells or drinking water sources. Unlawful dwellings are in

[3:05:11] Voice 3: environmental sensitive areas and finally there are non-permitted campgrounds and that we could

[3:05:19] Voice 3: change that policy at any time so that's what we've done because we have recognized the same

[3:05:24] Voice 3: thing we've got a severe housing problem and people are living in substandard structures but

[3:05:32] Voice 3: we set the policy they can't have you know we can't have damage occurring

[3:05:39] Trustee McConchie: so so you've basically put a moratorium on kicking people out of their housing houses

[3:05:46] Trustee McConchie: houses temporary housing based on a certain set of criteria as long as they're not going to the

[3:05:51] Trustee McConchie: washroom in the nearby creek or etc or whatever so can we adopt something like that on north pender

[3:05:58] Trustee McConchie: like today well

[3:06:00] Voice 3: you could similar wording or the same wording um what i would add is like you were

[3:06:06] Voice 3: saying it should be a moratorium otherwise you're just changing the bylaw yeah

[3:06:10] Trustee McConchie: no i don't know i

[3:06:11] Trustee McConchie: I would

[3:06:12] Voice 3: just want more while you're while like you say a pause right while something happens

[3:06:20] Voice 3: yeah or you could ask for a report from final enforcement on options

[3:06:27] Voice 3: yeah because it might be different right there might be a different circumstance

[3:06:32] Voice 3: objectives the one the objectives were insults brain well

[3:06:41] Trustee McConchie: with the different rationality well

[3:06:43] Voice 2: you could we did the same we asked we had a previous one that was very specific

[3:06:48] Voice 2: And then so what we did was we asked Warren to evaluate what kinds

[3:06:55] Voice 3: of things is he seeing because, you know, we knew it was more than just suites and cottages that people were living in, and that's the language he came back to expand coverage to include, you know, we don't limit the type of structure anymore.

[3:07:10] Voice 3: So he crafted this.

[3:07:13] Voice 3: right so it was a you know somewhat different issue on salt spain because they don't know how

[3:07:17] Voice 3: to speak cottages so that's not a concern necessarily it sounds like it's

[3:07:27] Trustee McConchie: artists forget like a better people living in rvs well i mean i don't trust you morrison

[3:07:33] Trustee McConchie: you have any thoughts on this yeah

[3:07:35] Trustee Morrison: so i i'm my brain is going back to 2018 i think it was when

[3:07:42] Trustee Morrison: we had like all those trees down on pender and my biggest concern with having people in rvs honestly

[3:07:49] Trustee Morrison: is just risk like that they were putting people in substandard housing that's a risk

[3:07:56] Trustee Morrison: and i understand that like if they're not in that then they're not in any housing like that's that's

[3:08:03] Trustee Morrison: part of the problem we're having so i i am for i think punting it back to um warren and getting a

[3:08:13] Trustee Morrison: a clear statement of what the moratorium would be because we already are asking him to come to our

[3:08:18] Trustee Morrison: next trust you know local meeting anyway might be the right move um and that would probably trigger

[3:08:24] Trustee Morrison: him to not like you know maybe maybe with the direct ask of like while you're drafting the

[3:08:30] Trustee Morrison: motion to like just pause enforcement really on these related issues um because we're trying to

[3:08:36] Trustee Morrison: address the issue of people having housing going into winter also

[3:08:40] Voice 3: he could report on how many

[3:08:41] Voice 3: clause actually are i mean

[3:08:45] Trustee McConchie: my concern is like people are about to enter the winter and they

[3:08:48] Trustee McConchie: want to know what the heck the direction of the ltc is like well yeah yeah

[3:08:53] Trustee McConchie: they don't have the

[3:08:53] Trustee McConchie: privilege of well we'll wait for the next meeting in the next report no

[3:08:56] Trustee Morrison: but i think yeah so but i

[3:08:58] Trustee Morrison: think that the we can make a clear statement today i think that the the direction of the ltc

[3:09:04] Trustee Morrison: is to make sure that people have a house to live in over the winter of some form or another right

[3:09:09] Trustee Morrison: that we don't want people being kicked out of their lodgings over the winter um you know but

[3:09:15] Trustee Morrison: that i mean we're in a dilemma like what's the resolution for this you know like unless we get

[3:09:23] Trustee Morrison: people who have some innovation and really have an affordable housing strategy on the island like

[3:09:29] Trustee Morrison: i don't see where this is going to change next year right so

[3:09:34] Trustee McConchie: fair enough uh it puts the conversation

[3:09:38] Trustee McConchie: of the public i mean we had a member of the public here today that before the meeting was saying hey

[3:09:43] Trustee McConchie: you know i was fortunate in life i want to help out like this this person on salt right that'd

[3:09:48] Voice 7: be great and

[3:09:49] Trustee McConchie: they were like how do i help out we're actually on lands right now that are zoned

[3:09:52] Trustee McConchie: for affordable housing and uh the anglican diocese has just been that they are just like

[3:09:58] Trustee McConchie: well we don't know what to do now because there was controversy in the squamalt with their

[3:10:02] Trustee McConchie: affordable housing so the diocese isn't really interested in handling controversy so they're

[3:10:07] Trustee McConchie: looking for direction and leadership from something and i know i've spoken many times

[3:10:11] Trustee McConchie: to trust council going what the heck are we doing uh getting involved in housing however we do have

[3:10:17] Trustee McConchie: some specific things we can literally do right and this is it we can either rezone we can advocate

[3:10:22] Trustee McConchie: or we can do what i'm suggesting which is send a message to the community that we hear you there's

[3:10:27] Trustee McConchie: a temporary housing issue um so i essentially i want to make a motion to stop taking people out

[3:10:33] Trustee McConchie: of their temporary houses and then i also asked warren to come back with a with a report uh and

[3:10:39] Trustee McConchie: uh you know suggestions going forward like robert suggested does that make sense to my stuff am i

[3:10:45] Trustee McConchie: making sense

[3:10:45] Voice 3: yeah because then what you need is you need to understand the context of the

[3:10:49] Voice 3: circumstances exactly yeah specific circumstances there's six uh files and this is what they have

[3:10:58] Voice 3: yeah yeah exactly

[3:11:00] Trustee Morrison: so

[3:11:02] Trustee McConchie: okay but it's important today i think today's meeting i know it's 10

[3:11:06] Trustee McConchie: o'clock in glasgow but uh to to get uh some like a motion to that we're pursuing this i don't

[3:11:13] Trustee McConchie: understand can

[3:11:14] Trustee Morrison: i give a suggested one sure

[3:11:15] Trustee McConchie: okay

[3:11:16] Trustee Morrison: so i think it would be something like

[3:11:18] Trustee Morrison: you know the north pender island local trust committee um uh is creating a moratorium on

[3:11:31] Trustee Morrison: on bylaw enforcement related to housing

[3:11:34] Trustee Morrison: until a report from the bylaw enforcement officer

[3:11:38] Trustee Morrison: about the extent of the problem.

[3:11:43] Trustee McConchie: A motion.

[3:11:48] Trustee Morrison: Can you, did you catch that, Shannon?

[3:11:50] Trustee Morrison: Well, I

[3:11:50] Voice 6: think it's Shannon's person, yeah.

[3:11:52] Voice 2: Does the North Carolina Island and Local Trust Committee

[3:11:54] Voice 2: create a moratorium on bylaw enforcement

[3:11:56] Voice 2: related to housing until

[3:11:58] Voice 3: a report from bylaw enforcement

[3:11:59] Voice 3: about the extent of the problem is received?

[3:12:05] Voice 3: and manager be requested to provide a report

[3:12:10] Trustee Morrison: yes i think so yeah and so that ben basically says

[3:12:15] Trustee Morrison: don't kick anyone out and tell us what the problem is yeah

[3:12:23] Voice 3: is that seconded that's

[3:12:25] Trustee McConchie: seconded by myself

[3:12:26] Trustee McConchie: yeah i

[3:12:28] Trustee Morrison: mean i moved that one no i think i think it is important i think the issue is tricky and

[3:12:34] Trustee Morrison: and you know what we decide to do about it hopefully we will finish our hydrology project

[3:12:39] Trustee Morrison: at some point and we can move on to affordable housing conversation can

[3:12:44] Voice 3: i read it back yes you

[3:12:45] Voice 3: can for the

[3:12:47] Voice 8: rest of the committee create an auditorium on law enforcement related to housing

[3:12:51] Voice 8: and that the bylaw enforcement manager be requested to create a report on the extent

[3:12:55] Voice 3: thank

[3:12:56] Trustee Morrison: you yes all right any further

[3:12:59] Voice 2: discussion all those in favor and that's carried

[3:13:03] Voice 2: Great. Deb, you said you had one more item for new business?

[3:13:07] Trustee Morrison: No, we already covered it.

[3:13:08] Voice 2: Okay. All right. Well, then we've got to talk schedules here.

[3:13:13] Voice 2: So we'll

[3:13:16] Trustee McConchie: sort of tackle.

[3:13:18] Voice 3: Yes. Let's talk schedules and then we'll get into the town hall.

[3:13:22] Voice 3: So we have the draft schedule for next year's meeting, which is on page 315.

[3:13:29] Voice 3: And then we have some special meetings that we're trying to get.

[3:13:34] Voice 3: which order would you like to talk about so

[3:13:37] Trustee Morrison: i don't think i have any major conflicts there's

[3:13:41] Trustee Morrison: a couple times when i am on travel that that i can work around like that day my my issue so i

[3:13:48] Trustee Morrison: might have to come in virtually but other than that it's fine we can work it out yeah i know

[3:13:55] Voice 2: for me i i will travel at the end of october 22 i thought i'd be brave you know

[3:14:04] Trustee McConchie: thanks um the only scheduling issue is i cannot attend the november 25th ltc meeting

[3:14:10] Trustee McConchie: okay

[3:14:10] Voice 3: so this is my two so let's take care of that one okay then we'll get to that one

[3:14:16] Trustee McConchie: well the only thing is that you know the sadness in the schedule is that you know i i hear from

[3:14:22] Trustee McConchie: people all the time can't make the meeting times 9 a.m on a thursday is not good

[3:14:27] Trustee McConchie: with this schedule

[3:14:29] Trustee McConchie: doesn't address any of that right that's the only thing um

[3:14:34] Trustee Morrison: and they can't be 9 a.m because

[3:14:36] Trustee Morrison: the ferry doesn't work for 9 a.m

[3:14:38] Voice 3: yeah it'll be back to 10 o'clock yeah 10 10 a.m person but

[3:14:43] Trustee Morrison: did you

[3:14:44] Voice 3: say you had a conflict with one no

[3:14:46] Trustee Morrison: i i mean i'm traveling on two of them at least

[3:14:49] Trustee Morrison: but um i'm back to the world of actually having to move around um but that's okay maybe by next

[3:14:56] Trustee Morrison: year i'll have it who knows who knows what the world will look like next year um so i i agree

[3:15:02] Trustee Morrison: with what ben's saying and and we've asked about this multiple times so is there other options can

[3:15:09] Trustee Morrison: we continue like it does the live

[3:15:11] Trustee Morrison: streaming our virtual participation trustee

[3:15:14] Trustee McConchie: morrison we can

[3:15:15] Trustee McConchie: schedule the meetings whenever we want now the only problem is is that it affects the lives of

[3:15:20] Trustee McConchie: staff and our chair right um i mean in a perfect world for me the saturday is a great time to have

[3:15:28] Trustee McConchie: a government meeting or sometime in the evening uh i mean i don't i'm not sure where we're

[3:15:34] Trustee McConchie: i think that the biggest stress has always been just impacting the overtime with staff the lives

[3:15:42] Trustee McConchie: of staff because you guys are working monday to friday and then it's like god i gotta come

[3:15:45] Trustee McConchie: then go north vendor meeting on saturday that's kind of the big thing and i don't know how to

[3:15:50] Trustee McConchie: resolve this because i certainly don't want to like make the life of staff awful right um but

[3:15:57] Trustee McConchie: it would be in an ideal world would be great to have a meeting on saturday i mean i think you

[3:16:01] Voice 3: i mean you have been taking care of that by having community information meetings

[3:16:04] Voice 3: on saturday so we are kind of balancing it i'm not disagreeing that we need

[3:16:09] Voice 3: to be more accessible

[3:16:10] Voice 3: for for these type of meetings but uh you know the community information meetings on the topic

[3:16:16] Voice 3: especially the land use bylaws that you're going into this next year have been scheduled for you

[3:16:21] Voice 3: know i

[3:16:22] Trustee McConchie: guess there's going to be consequential votes coming up in the next year and it would

[3:16:27] Trustee McConchie: be great to have people be able to come to the meetings without having to lose money or

[3:16:32] Trustee McConchie: quit their job or whatever right um so is it even though can we adopt this schedule and then if

[3:16:38] Trustee McConchie: there's a big important decision yeah you guys sorry um

[3:16:41] Voice 3: so there's a couple a couple sort of

[3:16:43] Voice 3: options here these are these are the dates right so the times what it says nine again will change

[3:16:49] Voice 3: out to ten but some of those could be scheduled okay or late afternoon

[3:16:55] Voice 3: evening last term there

[3:16:58] Voice 3: was a few of those yeah and earlier this term yeah

[3:17:01] Trustee McConchie: that's good to know so

[3:17:02] Voice 3: then so they schedule some

[3:17:03] Trustee McConchie: sort

[3:17:03] Voice 3: of in the evenings and then like you can also have special meetings on weekends particularly

[3:17:08] Voice 3: for community sure

[3:17:10] Trustee McConchie: yeah so if there's so what i'm saying is this is we can adopt the dates

[3:17:14] Trustee McConchie: if there's consequential decisions we have to make uh or what i perceive as as highly publicly

[3:17:20] Trustee McConchie: engaged meetings we can schedule it for a later time than the day perhaps rather than like today

[3:17:25] Trustee McConchie: we had like five applications right that were some of one of which could was more correspondence than

[3:17:32] Trustee McConchie: the other but for the most part they were you know i don't know

[3:17:35] Trustee Morrison: yeah but we know which ones

[3:17:36] Trustee Morrison: are going to be the ones that trigger people actually

[3:17:38] Trustee McConchie: so i think i might just get a heads

[3:17:40] Trustee McConchie: up from you guys hey you might want to think about the evening thing but i don't want to be

[3:17:44] Trustee McConchie: happy to adopt the schedule is all

[3:17:45] Voice 3: right yes you just need a motion to uh i'd

[3:17:50] Trustee McConchie: like to make a motion

[3:17:51] Trustee McConchie: that the north panama local trust committee approve this schedule for 2022 notice of business

[3:18:01] Trustee McConchie: meetings.

[3:18:02] Voice 3: Is there a second? Yeah. Any discussion? Call the vote. All those in favor? Carried. Okay, so we have this

[3:18:11] Voice 2: next meeting on November 25th

[3:18:13] Voice 3: that you said you can't be available now. So what would...

[3:18:18] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, I mean, I'll disappoint about 200 school kids.

[3:18:21] Trustee McConchie: so i'm sorry but i don't it's the only day that i cannot move this uh commitment to those kids

[3:18:30] Trustee McConchie: on the island at

[3:18:31] Voice 3: this point the schedule of the agenda i should say is pretty light i think there's

[3:18:36] Voice 3: well there's that tmp application okay

[3:18:48] you know maybe the review is special

[3:18:50] Voice 3: meeting for three permits sorry

[3:18:59] Trustee Morrison: i feel that you're i can't

[3:19:00] Trustee Morrison: here phil at

[3:19:02] Voice 3: this point there's three permits on the agenda okay

[3:19:05] Trustee Morrison: we

[3:19:06] Trustee McConchie: have a december 4th meeting

[3:19:08] Trustee McConchie: schedule correct what's

[3:19:10] Voice 3: next yeah so

[3:19:11] Trustee McConchie: can we just tie on an ltc meeting to the december 4th meeting

[3:19:14] Trustee McConchie: and then have the community information meeting as well on the december 4th so

[3:19:19] Voice 3: december 4th is

[3:19:23] Voice 3: special meetings for the land use model

[3:19:25] Trustee McConchie: yeah can we do both at the same time because you're saying

[3:19:29] Trustee McConchie: that ldc meeting is relatively likely we

[3:19:32] Voice 3: could try yeah we could try

[3:19:33] Voice 3: i would go for that special

[3:19:36] Voice 3: meetings for the land use bylaw review is to just focus on that right just set that time aside to

[3:19:41] Voice 3: make those those why don't

[3:19:43] Voice 3: we have consequential decisions on the land use why

[3:19:45] Trustee McConchie: don't we have a

[3:19:46] Trustee McConchie: morning meeting is this story is that a virtual meeting

[3:19:48] Voice 3: that's the next point of discussion yeah

[3:19:51] Trustee McConchie: okay so can we have on that december four i'm just trying to think of a solution save you time

[3:19:56] Trustee McConchie: We have that December 4th meeting in the morning we have the LTC meeting that you go to lunch and then we have a land use by law review meeting at one third.

[3:20:04] Trustee McConchie: So you get two by two for I'm

[3:20:07] Voice 2: looking at trust.

[3:20:09] Voice 2: What do you

[3:20:09] Trustee McConchie: think trustee more so that's my job.

[3:20:11] Trustee Morrison: So that's fine by me I sit in meetings all day, so I'm good.

[3:20:31] Trustee Morrison: that's safe okay

[3:20:34] Trustee McConchie: and that meeting goes till 12 let's say 12 15 then we get an hour break and

[3:20:40] Trustee McConchie: then we do the land use bylaw review and

[3:20:43] Trustee Morrison: the land use bylaw review is supposed to start at two is

[3:20:45] Trustee Morrison: that right one two one i'm

[3:20:48] Trustee McConchie: just yeah i

[3:20:49] Voice 3: don't think it's been fair we haven't established

[3:20:54] Voice 3: so

[3:20:55] Trustee McConchie: it's a so you can this is you're saying the staff on a saturday can only come between 10 30

[3:21:01] Voice 3: yeah

[3:21:02] Trustee McConchie: yeah is there not any uh an evening schedule is there any like i guess we have

[3:21:10] Trustee McConchie: to look at the ferry schedule here and

[3:21:13] Trustee Morrison: that would take half an hour

[3:21:16] Voice 2: I mean if you're okay with the concept of trying to make it work on that day

[3:21:20] Voice 2: that that will

[3:21:21] Voice 3: have the detail out so I think I don't think we have

[3:21:24] Voice 3: to get the detail

[3:21:25] Voice 3: the other

[3:21:27] Trustee McConchie: alternative is

[3:21:28] Voice 3: the LTC goes ahead on November 25th which is the two of you

[3:21:32] Trustee McConchie: yes well it's up to you guys so

[3:21:35] Voice 2: what would you like to do I

[3:21:36] Trustee McConchie: mean I could call in but I mean you

[3:21:37] Trustee Morrison: guys yeah

[3:21:38] Trustee McConchie: I mean um

[3:21:40] Trustee Morrison: I personally would prefer it to be on the Saturday the 4th if it's possible

[3:21:44] Trustee Morrison: because I prefer to have the conversation and you know like Ben I actually give up a work day

[3:21:51] Trustee Morrison: every time there's an LTC day so in the middle of the work week so um I take holidays to be able to

[3:21:58] Trustee Morrison: be at the LTC meetings yeah

[3:22:00] Trustee McConchie: um well uh perhaps we could have an efficient LTC meeting on

[3:22:07] Trustee McConchie: I'm

[3:22:07] Voice 2: all for that.

[3:22:08] Voice 2: I'm happy to hold a whip to, I've got a whip, I've got a whip

[3:22:11] Voice 2: in the room.

[3:22:13] Trustee McConchie: You know what, we don't even need to take a break.

[3:22:15] Trustee McConchie: We could essentially just be like, now we're in a land use special meeting, but we schedule

[3:22:19] Trustee McConchie: it for exactly the hard 12.

[3:22:21] Trustee McConchie: And if we don't make any decisions within that 12 o'clock timeframe between 10.30 and

[3:22:24] Trustee McConchie: 12, then we defer the decisions

[3:22:27] Trustee Morrison: to the XLCC meeting.

[3:22:28] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I think that's what we end up doing.

[3:22:30] Voice 3: Just for information, so the 9, there's 9.35 starting from Victoria.

[3:22:45] Trustee McConchie: Okay,

[3:22:46] Voice 2: so we need a

[3:22:47] Trustee McConchie: resolution

[3:22:51] Voice 2: to cancel the 25th

[3:22:55] Voice 2: meeting

[3:22:57] Voice 3: and to schedule the meeting on the board.

[3:23:02] Voice 3: So technically,

[3:23:03] Trustee Morrison: what we need is we need to reschedule the November 24th meeting to December 4th.

[3:23:09] Trustee Morrison: Correct, if you want to make

[3:23:09] Voice 2: it that way.

[3:23:11] Trustee McConchie: I would make a motion that the local trust committee reschedule the November 25th local trust committee meeting to December 4th, 2021.

[3:23:22] Voice 3: Is there a second?

[3:23:24] Trustee McConchie: At 10.30 a.m.

[3:23:26] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:23:26] Voice 3: Probably better to be 11.

[3:23:28] Voice 3: At 11.

[3:23:29] Voice 2: Yeah.

[3:23:30] Voice 2: Second.

[3:23:31] Voice 2: All right.

[3:23:32] Voice 2: Second.

[3:23:32] Voice 2: in any discussion i'll call the vote all those in favor carried now are there other community

[3:23:39] Voice 2: information meetings that we're just looking at scheduling we don't only have to work on

[3:23:42] Voice 2: scheduling we've already voted to have them so what were the

[3:23:46] Voice 3: schedule dates so kim sent an email

[3:23:59] Trustee Morrison: uh yeah we've though is that the one that like included the december 4th date because we've

[3:24:03] Trustee Morrison: We've gone back and forth and decided on December 4,

[3:24:05] Voice 3: this is the, this is the information meetings just asking you to pick two of those dates. Okay.

[3:24:14] Voice 3: What were the dates.

[3:24:16] Voice 3: January 20 day or evening.

[3:24:21] Voice 3: Friday, January the 21st.

[3:24:24] Voice 3: Saturday, the 22nd.

[3:24:26] Voice 10: I did look at the list.

[3:24:39] Voice 3: so

[3:24:42] Trustee Morrison: all of those worked for me um which was kind of shocking um the 22nd

[3:24:53] Trustee Morrison: is going to be the hardest for me because i have to travel after that so i would prefer not to have

[3:25:00] Trustee Morrison: it the 22nd but i would prefer to have it a saturday for a community information meeting

[3:25:04] Trustee Morrison: so maybe the 5th or the 12th of february

[3:25:11] Voice 2: trustee mcconaughey yeah

[3:25:14] Trustee McConchie: this is going to be buying a lot

[3:25:15] Trustee McConchie: of beer to staff here i'm

[3:25:19] Trustee Morrison: fine to have it in the evening so many of those dates too but that's just

[3:25:22] Trustee Morrison: whatever works because at this point

[3:25:27] Voice 2: i'm yours for saturday so okay so the two february dates

[3:25:33] Voice 2: is that what i'm hearing you want

[3:25:37] Voice 3: two saturdays one after the other no no

[3:25:42] Trustee Morrison: do we need two days no

[3:25:45] Trustee McConchie: i don't think we do i

[3:25:46] Trustee Morrison: don't think we do i think we just need one

[3:25:48] Trustee Morrison: if

[3:25:49] Trustee McConchie: we hear from the community on that february 5th meeting that we require more

[3:25:52] Trustee McConchie: discussion and meetings perhaps we could have a virtual meeting yeah

[3:25:59] Trustee Morrison: i think we go for a virtual

[3:26:00] Trustee Morrison: meeting at that point i think like an in-person meeting because

[3:26:03] Trustee McConchie: what's happening right now is

[3:26:03] Trustee McConchie: the people are used to the fact they can ask questions and stuff right on virtual and now they

[3:26:08] Trustee McConchie: can't so i don't even know well like i mean you know and you were you were not able to ask

[3:26:14] Trustee McConchie: questions right on exactly right so um let's let's schedule an in-person for the fifth and

[3:26:22] Trustee McConchie: then if we need a virtual something after for more input why don't we suggest that at the time okay

[3:26:27] Voice 3: does

[3:26:28] Trustee McConchie: that make sense okay do

[3:26:30] Voice 3: we have to have a motion on that yeah okay so i need a resolution

[3:26:32] Voice 3: for that community information i

[3:26:34] Trustee McConchie: like the i i moved at the local trust committee schedule

[3:26:38] Trustee McConchie: a community information meeting regarding the land use bylaw review for february 5th at 11 a.m

[3:26:47] Trustee Morrison: second all

[3:26:48] Voice 3: right any discussion um

[3:26:51] Trustee Morrison: there there's one thing about discussion so we're talking about

[3:26:54] Trustee Morrison: a community information meeting that that could end up being quite a substantial number of people

[3:27:00] Trustee Morrison: potentially I'm a little worried about having it at the Anglican Hall given the

[3:27:04] Trustee Morrison: parking situation so is it possible to have that special meeting at the main

[3:27:09] Trustee Morrison: hall the

[3:27:11] Trustee McConchie: problem is if the COVID restrictions remain in place there's

[3:27:16] Trustee McConchie: only a maximum in Anglican Hall here of 35 people allowed so I don't know the

[3:27:22] Trustee McConchie: hall I would say is much more they're very they follow the requirements of the

[3:27:30] Trustee McConchie: health authority to a t so i don't know increasing space so for

[3:27:34] Voice 3: local ground you know the names it's

[3:27:36] Voice 3: half the allowed capacity of the space or 50 people whichever is more

[3:27:44] Voice 3: so then the hall the whole room

[3:27:46] Voice 3: so the hall

[3:27:48] Voice 3: would be the

[3:27:48] Trustee McConchie: better space if we wanted more people

[3:27:50] Trustee McConchie: this is the capacity of the hall like the downstairs is like 200 or something

[3:27:54] Trustee McConchie: so yeah so we just move that into the community hall well we'll see if it's available yeah exactly

[3:28:00] Voice 3: yeah it just means we do we have the wi-fi connection there is

[3:28:05] Voice 3: yeah or

[3:28:06] Trustee McConchie: is like a dance class going to happen yes

[3:28:13] Trustee McConchie: maybe

[3:28:14] Trustee Morrison: we could rent the whole hall

[3:28:18] Trustee McConchie: uh let's have it at the hall and see if it's available first of all okay

[3:28:21] Trustee McConchie: Okay, and if not, we'll have it on the end of the church.

[3:28:24] Voice 2: All right, I've got a call to vote then.

[3:28:26] Voice 2: All those in favor?

[3:28:28] Voice 3: And that's carried.

[3:28:29] Voice 2: All right.

[3:28:31] Voice 2: Any other business there?

[3:28:33] Voice 2: Any other meetings?

[3:28:34] Voice 2: Are we scheduled?

[3:28:36] Voice 6: That's great, that's a little bit open.

[3:28:36] Voice 3: Kim will be happy.

[3:28:37] Voice 2: See, I'm glad we did that.

[3:28:37] Voice 3: We tried to condense it.

[3:28:39] Voice 2: Okay, so this is a second town hall.

[3:28:42] Voice 2: We do not rework decisions that we already made today,

[3:28:44] Voice 2: but this is your test, so.

[3:28:47] Voice 3: We have two people in the audience,

[3:28:55] Voice 3: I just wanted to talk to you about the whole pulper thing, I would have come earlier but I was getting a regular flu shot.

[3:29:06] Voice 3: So, and I did call, I'm supposed to call this the last couple times this last week but everybody's super busy.

[3:29:16] Voice 3: So there is this storm drain that goes from the Driftwood Centre. There is another drain, you know, where the bus stop is. It's right by that bus stop.

[3:29:30] Voice 3: And it's for probably the Whirl. You know, it would be on the Whirl portion. And it goes underneath and goes right beside Sue's Hay Tent, you know where the new tent is.

[3:29:45] Voice 3: and so there is quite a bit of winter rain and it's not so much

[3:29:49] Voice 3: of this particular application um when they did that application for um

[3:29:55] Voice 3: the new year we didn't talk to gerald but he did come and have a look

[3:30:01] Voice 3: and realize that there was a concern with that because when it rains they're so you know when

[3:30:07] they grow or when they're new to you it develops and

[3:30:09] Voice 3: you know you start to get parking there

[3:30:11] Voice 3: the air and the water that comes out of it.

[3:30:17] Voice 3: So you don't want to be aware of that.

[3:30:20] Voice 3: That doesn't include the storm water there.

[3:30:22] Voice 3: I don't know about that.

[3:30:26] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:30:28] Voice 3: So there's a culvert that goes right under .

[3:30:32] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:30:33] Voice 3: So really, that's kind of where it comes.

[3:30:37] Voice 3: It just needs to be diverted into that other storm drain.

[3:30:41] Voice 3: But I think because it wasn't part of the Dreadfoot property, it didn't get connected.

[3:30:49] Voice 1: So

[3:30:52] Voice 3: the connection would be into the roadside ditch rather than going under the road?

[3:31:02] Voice 3: Or into the existing storm line, the Dreadfoot storm line?

[3:31:07] Voice 3: Okay, so the bus stop is here, and the storm drain, I think, is over here.

[3:31:13] Voice 3: and there's the roadway I don't know where it is underneath that roadway there is some sort of

[3:31:19] Voice 3: something I don't know how that all goes it just would need to be connected from this ditch like

[3:31:26] Voice 3: where the culvert goes I don't know so when new to you is developed there is a there is a tp they

[3:31:34] Voice 3: require a dp so like I could make a note to this we can look at it on our way down yeah but and

[3:31:40] Voice 3: And then we could also talk to the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure about that as well as part of the process. So, yeah, make sure that that works.

[3:31:50] Voice 3: It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work.

[3:31:54] Trustee McConchie: The issue was, I didn't know here at TUP, we didn't know how to address that.

[3:31:58] Trustee McConchie: I

[3:31:59] Voice 3: just, because we got a letter in the mail, it was like, hey, I just want somebody to be aware.

[3:32:05] Voice 3: Because it's been a while since we brought it up before.

[3:32:10] Voice 3: Okay, when I was there with Diane and we were doing the review, that was the last time we tried to say anything.

[3:32:16] Voice 3: And you, I'm sorry, I didn't even talk to anybody.

[3:32:20] Voice 3: They could have reached out to her, or from UNL, or M-Com, M-Com.

[3:32:29] Voice 3: Because that may be, they may, they can identify it as an issue.

[3:32:35] Voice 3: Yeah, I've had, I think there's a lot of those up here.

[3:32:40] Trustee McConchie: And if you're able to get a hold of Moti or Emcom, let me know what your secret is.

[3:32:44] Trustee McConchie: That would be fascinating to see the

[3:32:45] Voice 3: issues

[3:32:47] Trustee McConchie: here on the island.

[3:32:52] Voice 3: I kind of

[3:32:58] Trustee Morrison: feel like we should just send a link

[3:33:00] Trustee Morrison: to our meetings and our like SaaS attack to CRD and Moti. Maybe it'll get through.

[3:33:08] Trustee Morrison: All right.

[3:33:09] Trustee Morrison: I

[3:33:10] Voice 3: have a second.

[3:33:11] Voice 3: Go ahead.

[3:33:11] Voice 2: ahead

[3:33:11] Voice 3: um you call it a little youtube channel could you maybe help them do a webinar on the

[3:33:18] Voice 3: new website just to have it navigate a new website because i find it hard yeah

[3:33:31] Voice 3: good

[3:33:32] Voice 2: suggestion thank you

[3:33:34] Voice 3: that's

[3:33:36] Voice 2: a good idea you

[3:33:38] Trustee McConchie: know we i gotta say though uh and because

[3:33:40] Trustee McConchie: i remember when we first talked about this i appreciate it like the trust technologically

[3:33:45] Trustee McConchie: this term has come up pretty far away like from the dinosaur ages but the number one thing yeah

[3:33:51] Trustee McConchie: we've been hearing back it's just that people don't know how to find stuff find minutes find

[3:33:56] Trustee McConchie: meetings also the other thing too um robert i'm not sure staff are aware of this but when you

[3:34:03] Trustee McConchie: download the the some folks can't download the 350 page agenda package they want to read it just

[3:34:10] Trustee McConchie: because our download speed is quite slow. I don't know if they've got old computers or what it is,

[3:34:14] Trustee McConchie: but I know it takes a while. Is there a way to like even cut it in half to part one or part two

[3:34:20] Trustee McConchie: or have the option when you have an agenda package? It was just a request. Doreen Ball

[3:34:25] Trustee McConchie: actually made that request. I don't know if that's a big clerical issue or whatever for you guys.

[3:34:32] Trustee McConchie: so

[3:34:33] Voice 3: usually with a pdf it's it's usually a big plan yeah colored photos it's actually usually the

[3:34:39] Voice 3: reports we get from the cutting

[3:34:42] Voice 6: in a

[3:34:43] Voice 3: half might not solve the problem you gotta identify like the

[3:34:47] Voice 3: big it's

[3:34:51] Trustee McConchie: a way to upload it to the site so they can just read it on the site rather than download

[3:34:55] Trustee McConchie: it as a pdf i

[3:34:58] Voice 3: don't think so don't

[3:34:59] Trustee McConchie: think so okay well there's just a bunch of folks saying a bunch

[3:35:02] Trustee McConchie: of folks two two or three people have told me they don't know how to download the file

[3:35:06] Voice 6: and

[3:35:06] Trustee McConchie: they can't watch the old meetings because the internet speed's too slow

[3:35:09] Trustee McConchie: and the meetings are recorded in high definition but it also works in victoria with high speed

[3:35:14] Trustee McConchie: internet but when you're on south pender and you're trying to watch an old meeting they

[3:35:18] Trustee McConchie: it's choppy and then it freezes and it spirals and it's all new stuff that we're dealing with

[3:35:24] Trustee McConchie: right now but it's just a couple concerns that come up that's it learning

[3:35:27] Voice 3: what we're doing today

[3:35:28] Voice 3: this is amazing

[3:35:29] Trustee Morrison: one one more thing one more thing about the website since we're on it thanks for

[3:35:33] Trustee Morrison: bringing it up and um i have had several people ask me where to find the trust policy statement

[3:35:38] Trustee Morrison: so i was like what's the problem so i like went on the site and i couldn't find it

[3:35:44] Trustee Morrison: so that's a problem and it's because it is named um islands trust 2050 it's not named

[3:35:52] Trustee Morrison: trust policy statement so we need to like on the like place where it is on the website just

[3:35:58] Trustee Morrison: and it really should have its own space on the front page that just says trust policy statement

[3:36:03] Trustee Morrison: because everybody's trying to find it

[3:36:07] Voice 2: michael did you have something come ahead

[3:36:11] Voice 4: there was a

[3:36:12] Voice 4: discussion earlier about indigenous what it was doing and uh uh at the time of the james island

[3:36:21] Voice 4: debate and um potential for a trust policy statement reviews was 10 years ago um i had

[3:36:31] Voice 4: discussions with people to say that and i understand that an absolutely core component

[3:36:38] Voice 4: of the indigenous way of knowing is the implicit understanding that the natural environment is part

[3:36:46] Voice 4: of the environment there is no dichotomy and that has very important applications if one is to apply

[3:36:55] apply a duty of care to plan for island stress decisions.

[3:36:59] And

[3:36:59] Voice 4: whereas most, if not, in fact,

[3:37:04] Voice 4: all in British Columbia of nature's entities

[3:37:10] Voice 4: are not regarded as a person legally in the duty of care

[3:37:14] Voice 4: discussion, that they are to an individual person.

[3:37:18] But it's just that you don't take

[3:37:21] Voice 4: into consideration and duty of care

[3:37:25] Voice 4: in the natural environment um and i think if that portion were made quite clear in a trust

[3:37:33] Voice 4: policy statement it would help and then one could simply say as it says frequently in the

[3:37:41] Voice 4: trust policy statement it's referred to in its ways but that is an implicit and probably dominant

[3:37:54] Voice 4: It's not, yes it is, it's a philosophy, an entirely different philosophy of living.

[3:38:00] Voice 4: But that component is key, key, key, and is in general disregarded.

[3:38:08] Voice 2: Thank you.

[3:38:09] Voice 2: Thank you.

[3:38:11] Voice 3: Alright, well I really appreciate everyone today.

[3:38:16] Voice 3: I'm glad to be here and have this in person.

[3:38:18] Voice 3: I'm glad the technology worked.

[3:38:20] Voice 3: worked uh and how did it look from the green streaming oh yeah it was fun oh good good to

[3:38:26] Voice 3: know and thanks for

[3:38:28] Trustee McConchie: studying on that chair patrick

[3:38:29] Trustee Morrison: yeah thank you so much for making this work i

[3:38:32] Trustee Morrison: really appreciate it yeah

[3:38:34] Trustee McConchie: it's pretty crazy you're in glasgow right now that's

[3:38:37] Voice 3: a lot of research on

[3:38:38] Voice 3: making this work and i'm glad it's working so yeah

[3:38:41] Trustee McConchie: start tracking machine are you really

[3:38:48] Trustee McConchie: feel

[3:38:48] Trustee Morrison: the need to go downstairs to the local

[3:38:52] Voice 2: all right

[3:38:53] Trustee McConchie: i'd like to make a motion to adjourn

[3:38:55] Voice 2: second by justin morris and all those in favor we are adjourned so thank you everyone

[3:39:01] Voice 2: thank you for the rest of the conference and i can't wait to have reports on the

[3:39:07] Voice 2: experience

[3:39:07] Voice 2: experience.

[3:39:09] Voice 2: Thank you.

[3:39:10] Voice 2: Bye.

[3:39:11] Voice 2: Bye.

[3:39:11] Trustee McConchie: Take care.

[3:39:12] Trustee McConchie: Okay.

[3:39:12] Trustee McConchie: Bye-bye.

[3:39:17] Trustee McConchie: Thanks, Robert.

[3:39:18] Trustee McConchie: Thanks, Bill.

[3:39:22] Trustee McConchie: Appreciate it.