Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, November 9, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 19: Good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining us. Sorry for the delays. Welcome to the people

[0:00:05] Voice 19: watching the video in whatever fashion that works out. My name is Peter Luckum. I'm the chair of the

[0:00:13] Voice 19: Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee, chair of council. Really, this is my second visit back

[0:00:18] Voice 19: to Salt Spring since the beginning of COVID, way back 18, 19 months ago. And it's really a great

[0:00:25] Voice 19: pleasure to be back in your community enjoy the landscape um and of course i also want to

[0:00:31] Voice 19: recognize that this is in the heart of coast sailors territory um first nations have lived

[0:00:38] Voice 19: here thrived here um uh enjoyed the coast and uh many many aspects of what we enjoy today living

[0:00:47] Voice 19: here and i'm really grateful to have the opportunity to be here and and be reminded and

[0:00:53] Voice 19: and aware of that long history.

[0:00:59] Voice 19: We have an agenda before us.

[0:01:01] Voice 19: I think I've suggested that, before I ask

[0:01:05] Voice 19: if there's any additional items, that 9.1, which

[0:01:11] Voice 19: is a report on the housing issues, 9.1, Housing Action

[0:01:17] Voice 19: action program and updates be moved to after the delegations um but before item 17 in conversation

[0:01:27] Voice 19: with staff it also became apparent that 8.2 housing actions is closely related to that topic

[0:01:34] Voice 19: and perhaps we might also want to uh move that into that same period of time so that uh it's

[0:01:41] Voice 19: more publicly uh uh visible to folks that don't join us in the mornings that join us in the

[0:01:46] Voice 19: afternoon to account all my life I'm

[0:01:48] Voice 8: sorry that was 9.1 and what was the other one and 8.2

[0:01:51] Voice 19: and so I would like to suggest we uh move those to before item 17 after delegations and if that's

[0:01:58] Voice 19: okay with you is there

[0:01:59] Voice 19: anything else to add or remove from the agenda we are getting a late

[0:02:03] Voice 19: reporting in uh which is just an update from the consultant on housing and I think that can

[0:02:08] Voice 19: stay where it is in that spot that we've created is that okay with uh trustees it's on Gantt's

[0:02:15] Voice 19: village that's correct it sorry yeah anything else staff not nodding

[0:02:21] Voice 19: trustees not nodding all right then so then let's adopt the agenda as amended

[0:02:29] Voice 19: and let us begin and of course maybe elaborate a little bit more later on but

[0:02:36] Voice 19: of course we want this to be a safe and collaborative place for everybody to

[0:02:39] Voice 19: work including staff and we are still despite calling it phase three of the COVID situation

[0:02:48] Voice 19: we're still in the COVID situation and the pandemic and is ongoing and just ask everybody

[0:02:55] Voice 19: thank you very much for wearing your mask and protecting the staff protecting us and protecting

[0:03:00] Voice 19: yourselves and your friends and your neighbors it's about transmission it's not necessarily that

[0:03:05] Voice 19: any of us are infected or otherwise but to prevent the transmission throughout the community for

[0:03:10] Voice 19: those folks that are vulnerable and unable to get vaccinated um so previous uh meetings here

[0:03:20] Voice 19: uh we have uh minutes from the last ltc meeting at 3.11 um it was october the 5th 2021 regular

[0:03:29] Voice 19: meeting. I'll ask if there's any corrections to that document. Okay, so the

[0:03:34] Voice 13: only one I

[0:03:35] Voice 19: have, Sarah, and it's not often I find anything out of place, but it's a

[0:03:41] Voice 19: typo on 7.4, I believe. I'll just scroll to it. 7.4. It says there was a

[0:04:04] Voice 19: suggestion to provide to update the application page on the Alice Trust. I

[0:04:08] Voice 19: I think that should be, there was a suggestion to update the application page on the output.

[0:04:12] Voice 19: Take note of the one.

[0:04:14] Voice 4: Yeah, provide two.

[0:04:16] Voice 19: Yeah, two.

[0:04:16] Voice 19: Yeah, there's two.

[0:04:17] Voice 19: And the second occurrence of two.

[0:04:19] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:04:20] Voice 19: Anything else?

[0:04:22] Voice 19: Excellent.

[0:04:23] Voice 19: Then let's then, by general consent, adopt the minutes of October the 5th as amended.

[0:04:30] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:04:32] Voice 19: And then I want to acknowledge, first of all, the advisory planning commissions,

[0:04:37] Voice 19: both the Ganges Village Planning Task Force and the Housing Action Program,

[0:04:46] Voice 19: as well as the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission and the Advisory Planning Commission,

[0:04:52] Voice 19: for all of the terrific work that you all do in supporting us in the work that we do.

[0:04:58] Voice 19: It's very much a collaborative effort.

[0:05:01] Voice 19: And the first group of minutes we have here,

[0:05:05] Voice 19: We received them for information because of the task force or the committee's documents.

[0:05:13] Voice 19: The first items at 3.1, 3.32, 3.33, 3.4, 3.35, or all from that, sorry, up to 3.34,

[0:05:23] Voice 19: are all the Ganges Village Planning Task Force meetings.

[0:05:28] Voice 19: And I've got to say, it's a really enjoyable read.

[0:05:31] Voice 19: you folks are doing amazing amount of work in depth work on that so those are

[0:05:38] Voice 19: here for our information and I'll go to trustees if you have any questions or

[0:05:42] Voice 19: thoughts that

[0:05:42] Trustee Patrick: I have been listening and talking to many of the task force

[0:05:55] Trustee Patrick: especially chair and for Ganges and spoken staff about health one of the key

[0:06:02] Trustee Patrick: asks that they have in here is for a retreat and that you can see all these

[0:06:08] Trustee Patrick: parts and pieces lining up and that will have that in-depth conversation at the

[0:06:11] Trustee Patrick: next meeting of showing that we can line this up and facilitate the retreat okay

[0:06:16] Voice 19: great I was wondering about that too so that's good that you've had that

[0:06:20] Voice 19: conversation anything else on the meeting minutes three point three one

[0:06:25] Voice 19: three three point three four of the Ganges village planning task force no

[0:06:30] Voice 19: so we'll receive that for information and again my deep thanks to you for the

[0:06:37] Voice 19: depth and breadth of the conversation and the challenges with the meeting and

[0:06:41] Voice 19: you know working together but it seems like you've managed are moving through

[0:06:46] Voice 19: through that and that's terrific.

[0:06:48] Voice 19: So the next items are 3.35, 3.36, 3.37.

[0:06:55] Voice 19: Those are the housing action program work

[0:06:59] Voice 19: and we have some recommendations in there

[0:07:01] Voice 19: and there's a report later on at 9.1.

[0:07:06] Voice 19: Yeah, which we put to active delegations today.

[0:07:10] Voice 19: And thank you for your great work.

[0:07:12] Voice 19: And so I'll just ask trustees

[0:07:13] Voice 19: if you have any remarks on those minutes.

[0:07:15] Voice 19: no okay so that's we'll receive those for information so then uh the advisory planning

[0:07:22] Voice 19: commission uh that was some referrals um and thank you for your work and ask i'll ask trustees if

[0:07:29] Voice 19: there's anything there okay so we'll receive that for information and then finally the draft minutes

[0:07:35] Voice 19: of october the 21st agricultural advisory planning commission um that was also an item that's in our

[0:07:42] Voice 19: agenda today thank you for the timely response uh so please if there's anything other than receiving

[0:07:48] Voice 19: for information we'll obviously discuss that application later okay very good then so we'll

[0:07:53] Voice 19: receive all of those by general consent and uh on top of that of course and we'll move along

[0:08:00] Voice 19: uh local trust committee public hearings nothing here today um and we will uh move along

[0:08:07] Voice 19: long to business arising from the minutes and that's okay follow-up action

[0:08:16] Voice 19: list is the report in our package today from October 21 2021 and I'll just ask

[0:08:23] Voice 19: Stefan regional planning manager sir Mac if he has any updates otherwise we'll go

[0:08:29] Voice 19: to trustees for any questions there you know

[0:08:31] Voice 19: okay thank you trustee do any

[0:08:33] Voice 19: questions for the regional planning manager of the staff regarding the

[0:08:35] Voice 19: follow-up action list

[0:08:36] Voice 8: i do not i

[0:08:37] Voice 19: don't know okay good work everybody thank you so uh we'll move

[0:08:42] Voice 19: along but we'll receive that information so community information meeting none public hearing

[0:08:49] Voice 19: none um and now this brings us to reports we have our policy and standing resolutions list

[0:08:56] Voice 19: here for information there potentially some conversation later in today's agenda with

[0:09:02] Voice 19: with respect to the housing enforcement standing resolution.

[0:09:06] Voice 19: So we'll consider that then.

[0:09:07] Voice 19: Is there anything else on that

[0:09:09] Voice 19: that there's a need for discussion?

[0:09:11] Voice 19: All right, so we'll move along.

[0:09:14] Voice 19: Work program top priorities report, also October, 2021.

[0:09:19] Voice 19: And Laura Patrick, over to you.

[0:09:21] Trustee Patrick: I, you know, it was great.

[0:09:23] Trustee Patrick: We finally had the meeting with the science working group

[0:09:27] Trustee Patrick: last, whenever that was, recently.

[0:09:31] Trustee Patrick: And there was a lot of conversation, good conversation, good conversation with Mitchell

[0:09:37] Trustee Patrick: Sharon and others about sort of the very much related to the Coastal Douglas fir is the

[0:09:43] Trustee Patrick: wildfire hazard protection and as well as sort of the water tank or water storage concept

[0:09:53] Trustee Patrick: for fire fighting.

[0:09:54] Trustee Patrick: fighting and I'm just wondering where that belongs where we should put that is

[0:10:00] Trustee Patrick: that how can we how can we help direct sort of work in that in that way we've

[0:10:10] Trustee Patrick: already talked about the fire hazard ecologist or whatever they're called

[0:10:14] Trustee Patrick: that we're hoping to acquire money for we'll know more tomorrow so I just I

[0:10:22] Trustee Patrick: don't know if we have to give any directions or change anything on top

[0:10:25] Trustee Patrick: birds following that meeting so specifically on

[0:10:29] Voice 19: the fire and the water tank storage yeah well in

[0:10:31] Trustee Patrick: relationship to the coastal douglas fir this conversation has come about

[0:10:34] Trustee Patrick: through the coastal

[0:10:35] Trustee Patrick: douglas bird so

[0:10:36] Voice 19: we've sort of flowed from well that's a great question um and maybe i'll just

[0:10:42] Voice 19: ask staff but i'll make a comment as many people know i'm deputy chief on our fire department on

[0:10:47] Voice 19: titus island and certainly the same concern exists there we have quite a active sophisticated water

[0:10:55] Voice 19: water storage program on our Island,

[0:10:56] Voice 19: which is run by the fire department.

[0:10:58] Voice 19: And we often work with Moti

[0:11:00] Voice 19: because we ended up putting these things on road allowances

[0:11:02] Voice 19: and other places, some people's properties

[0:11:05] Voice 19: where they permitted, but obviously maybe there's a,

[0:11:09] Voice 19: we'd need to work with the fire department,

[0:11:10] Voice 19: but maybe there's some,

[0:11:11] Voice 19: if there's any hurdles or mechanism

[0:11:13] Voice 19: so we could support that,

[0:11:14] Voice 19: I wonder what opportunities there are for us

[0:11:17] Voice 19: to facilitate that either with Moti or other locations.

[0:11:22] Voice 19: So that's a question to staff.

[0:11:23] Voice 19: Sure,

[0:11:25] Voice 12: what a great question. So, through the Chair, there's two questions that I heard. One is about water and one is about wildfire.

[0:11:32] Voice 12: The first one about wildfire, it is an object in your Coastal Delta Spur Protection Ecosystem Project.

[0:11:41] Voice 12: And so it's an object there and you'll see in your budget request that you mentioned is going to be discussed tomorrow at the Finance Committee,

[0:11:49] Voice 12: and it includes their coastal ecological wildfire risk assessment.

[0:11:54] Voice 12: It also includes in the creation of potential bylaw amendments, which would be the policy.

[0:12:01] Voice 12: So I think in a broad sense, you have that sort of counter to next year's project.

[0:12:06] Voice 12: If you choose to make the discreet livable wildfire DPA, that should be refined.

[0:12:11] Voice 12: But I would say that you have the broad strokes already captured both in your project charter

[0:12:17] Voice 12: and in your budget

[0:12:19] Voice 19: request I think unless I'm mistaken the question was

[0:12:24] Voice 19: more specific about water storage for it

[0:12:27] Trustee Patrick: was both Mitchell Sharon has has his

[0:12:32] Trustee Patrick: dream is two things a wildfire hazard DPA and that any new construction be

[0:12:39] Trustee Patrick: mandated to have tanks you know they're working away like you said and try to

[0:12:44] Trustee Patrick: get that coverage across the island but for you know adding to construction without having those

[0:12:49] Trustee Patrick: tanks yeah it's a dream of his and

[0:12:52] Voice 19: of course there was a discussion about water storage for

[0:12:55] Voice 19: secondary suites and like as well but anyways step on right

[0:12:59] Voice 12: and i so thank you so i said there's two

[0:13:00] Voice 12: things i heard the other ones about water and then that water if you know in your correspondence

[0:13:05] Voice 12: package you have something that the north fox pretty water visitor yeah asking the ltc to

[0:13:10] Voice 12: to investigate ways to require all new constructions

[0:13:15] Voice 12: to have minimum amounts of water storage.

[0:13:18] Voice 12: And I know that's been a tough part

[0:13:19] Voice 12: of the LPC in the past as well.

[0:13:22] Voice 12: And so staff, as you may recall,

[0:13:25] Voice 12: as part of the water sustainability project,

[0:13:27] Voice 12: have been developing a hoop of water

[0:13:30] Voice 12: on the subdivision by-law,

[0:13:32] Voice 12: which is ready to come before the LPC.

[0:13:33] Voice 12: It's just been with the province for quite some time.

[0:13:36] Voice 12: And so I think that presents you a possible opportunity

[0:13:44] Voice 12: that you could probably address or attempt to address or at least research the request

[0:13:50] Voice 12: by North Salisbury Water District as well as potentially with the prior district in

[0:13:53] Voice 12: terms of water at time of subdivision.

[0:13:56] Voice 12: So it might provide a really good opportunity to do so and make that sort of re-resolution

[0:14:02] Voice 12: now.

[0:14:03] Voice 12: You can do it when you consider North Salisbury Water District's correspondence or you could

[0:14:08] Voice 12: just request that to report back about that issue and we'd be happy to update project charters

[0:14:11] Voice 12: so to

[0:14:14] Voice 19: cut to the chase should we be putting this on the on the project list yes well the

[0:14:18] Trustee Patrick: project well it's refining existing projects this is my understanding so that that's do you

[0:14:25] Voice 19: want to make a motion oh

[0:14:26] Trustee Patrick: god um do you want it general i'm looking

[0:14:31] Trustee Patrick: to staff or do you want to

[0:14:32] Voice 12: say

[0:14:33] Trustee Patrick: specific i

[0:14:33] Voice 12: would recommend at this stage because you're just in the

[0:14:36] Voice 12: conversation request after we forth back yep wildfire

[0:14:41] Voice 12: uta and the

[0:14:42] Voice 12: water storage at times

[0:14:43] Voice 12: is it just

[0:14:47] Trustee Patrick: water storage at subdivision are there other mechanisms so i think

[0:14:50] Trustee Patrick: that i'd rather be able to say you know yeah we're not

[0:14:53] Voice 19: doing it through

[0:14:54] Voice 19: subdivisions we just do it because well yeah

[0:14:56] Voice 19: there are no subdivisions all

[0:14:58] Trustee Patrick: right i'll i'll wing a i'll bring a motion that the salt spring island

[0:15:01] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee direct staff to report back on options or support back

[0:15:11] Trustee Patrick: on options for a wildfire hazard DPA and water storage

[0:15:35] Voice 8: I'm just saying

[0:15:37] Trustee Patrick: if it's increasing water storage or providing water storage, I think it's...

[0:15:41] Voice 8: I suppose it doesn't matter.

[0:15:43] Voice 12: It

[0:15:43] Voice 8: doesn't matter because neither exists,

[0:15:45] Trustee Patrick: so you can't increase zero.

[0:15:48] Trustee Patrick: So

[0:15:49] Voice 8: have we got that?

[0:15:51] Voice 4: Read

[0:15:52] Voice 8: it back, yeah.

[0:15:53] Voice 4: That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request act to report back regarding options for a wildfire hazard development permit area and water storage.

[0:16:03] Voice 8: And I'll second that.

[0:16:05] Voice 19: Moved and seconded.

[0:16:06] Voice 19: any discussion all those in favor thank you very much thank you all right so

[0:16:15] Voice 19: there's a complete work program top priorities and projects list just move

[0:16:22] Voice 19: to that yeah all right then so we'll move along so applications with status

[0:16:27] Voice 19: reports October 2021 I'm assuming that's current I'll go to trustees for any

[0:16:33] Voice 19: Any questions on any applications?

[0:16:35] Voice 19: Peter Grove.

[0:16:37] Voice 8: Page 1180 is the Drake Road Dos Santos development.

[0:16:44] Voice 8: I'm wondering if there's any update on that

[0:16:46] Voice 8: or what's happening?

[0:16:49] Voice 12: Question, we happen to have the planner here.

[0:16:51] Voice 12: You might be able to answer that one.

[0:16:54] Voice 7: Sure, yeah, I can give you a brief update.

[0:16:57] Voice 7: The referrals went out to various agencies and groups.

[0:17:00] Voice 7: We've received those responses.

[0:17:03] Voice 7: There's been perhaps one issue raised with regards to the condition of Drape Road.

[0:17:09] Voice 7: That's from the Ministry of Transportation.

[0:17:11] Voice 7: So we're going to try to figure out some options to address that.

[0:17:16] Voice 7: And then beyond that, the Coastal Spring Water and Dragonfly are pursuing options for some grant funding

[0:17:24] Voice 7: to do some studies around the water supply system.

[0:17:28] Voice 7: system. I believe that is in process with the drank homes in society. Things are happening,

[0:17:41] Voice 7: but there's nothing necessarily that's out of criticism that we seek first reading over

[0:17:47] Voice 7: the summer.

[0:17:48] Voice 8: Well, I hope, I mean, I'm sure we are doing everything we can to expedite this because

[0:17:53] Voice 8: as we know we have a housing crisis on the island and here is a small step to

[0:18:00] Voice 8: resolving that. Thank you.

[0:18:03] Voice 19: Anything else on the application status report? Yes

[0:18:07] Voice 8: page 123 and again wondering about the status of this, it's been out

[0:18:23] Voice 8: out since April 2011.

[0:18:24] Voice 8: Which one?

[0:18:25] Voice 8: Sorry, the Spencer's excavating.

[0:18:29] Voice 8: And we seem to be waiting for the applicant.

[0:18:34] Voice 8: And has anything been happening at all?

[0:18:37] Voice 8: Yeah, we have the water here as well.

[0:18:39] Voice 8: Yeah,

[0:18:41] Voice 7: so on that one,

[0:18:43] Voice 7: as you may or may not know,

[0:18:45] Voice 7: as a result of the land clearing,

[0:18:46] Voice 7: we've developed some serious groundwater issues

[0:18:48] Voice 7: on that property,

[0:18:51] Voice 7: primarily as a result of channeling water

[0:18:54] Voice 7: around to the ministry of transportation right away so really the applicants just trying to work

[0:18:59] Voice 7: with the ministry on the solution that's acceptable to them they've recently revised their subdivision

[0:19:05] Voice 7: layout plan to convert it to a strata subdivision to allocate common property for stormwater

[0:19:10] Voice 7: management and that was i believe earlier in the spring so as far as i know until modi is satisfied

[0:19:21] Voice 7: side that they adequately accommodated the storm water on that site it's it's going to be there i

[0:19:27] Voice 7: mean they keep they keep sort of getting extensions from the ministry and this last uh dormant round

[0:19:33] Voice 7: of uh patients we didn't identify because there has been that thing continues to try to work to

[0:19:38] Voice 7: get this actually through thank

[0:19:40] Voice 8: you yeah

[0:19:41] Voice 19: that's 10 years i

[0:19:42] Voice 8: have nothing more okay

[0:19:43] Voice 19: thank you

[0:19:45] Voice 19: nothing further, so thank you everybody for that. Expenses report from August and

[0:19:51] Voice 19: September, obviously we'll be getting the one from October at our next meeting,

[0:19:57] Voice 19: unless there's any concerns, we'll just

[0:20:00] Voice 8: receive those information. Yeah, hold on

[0:20:01] Voice 8: just one sec. Okay, where I note on page 129, which is the summary to

[0:20:09] Voice 8: it's the end of September, that's six months in.

[0:20:13] Voice 8: And we are, are we expecting to spend the balance

[0:20:18] Voice 8: of the 200, you know, the 225 that's remaining?

[0:20:23] Voice 8: You've only spent a pretty small portion of our budget.

[0:20:28] Voice 8: And as you know, we're getting into

[0:20:30] Voice 8: a finance meeting tomorrow.

[0:20:31] Voice 8: R

[0:20:32] Voice 12: .P.M., Chair Mack.

[0:20:33] Voice 12: Sure, through the Chair.

[0:20:34] Voice 12: So, as you should be aware,

[0:20:35] Voice 12: all the managers updated their fiscal forecasting,

[0:20:38] Voice 12: to spend most of these expenses.

[0:20:44] Voice 12: I believe there's a view that I have sort of estimated

[0:20:48] Voice 12: that we need more.

[0:20:51] Voice 12: So I can give you that breakdown.

[0:20:53] Voice 12: I don't really have the numbers,

[0:20:54] Voice 12: so I don't want to speak in errors,

[0:20:56] Voice 12: especially when it comes

[0:21:00] Voice 19: to the contracts.

[0:21:01] Voice 19: And the report that you sent in to FPC coverage.

[0:21:05] Voice 19: It is, yeah.

[0:21:06] Voice 19: Perfect.

[0:21:07] Voice 19: Laura Patrick.

[0:21:08] Trustee Patrick: Well, I do know in regards

[0:21:09] Trustee Patrick: to the watershed protection plan,

[0:21:11] Trustee Patrick: we discussed that at our last meeting

[0:21:12] Trustee Patrick: that staff did indicate

[0:21:14] Trustee Patrick: indicate that they're not, and this has taken out a surplus

[0:21:17] Trustee Patrick: from, I think only 15,000 was anticipated to be spent

[0:21:22] Trustee Patrick: this year, the remainder was moved to next year.

[0:21:25] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:21:30] Voice 19: Is that it for the expenses?

[0:21:32] Voice 19: All right, thank you very much.

[0:21:35] Voice 19: Islands Trust Conservancy board report, nothing here today.

[0:21:40] Voice 19: We received an extensive one last month,

[0:21:44] Voice 19: and I can't think off the cuff of anything new to report

[0:21:48] Voice 19: from the Ostrich Conservancy.

[0:21:51] Voice 19: So we'll go to 7.7,

[0:21:53] Voice 19: Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance

[0:21:55] Voice 19: coordinators report.

[0:21:57] Voice 19: It says none here.

[0:21:58] Voice 19: Do you have any verbal update at all?

[0:22:00] Voice 19: We

[0:22:00] Trustee Patrick: have a meeting coming up at the end of the month.

[0:22:03] Trustee Patrick: And well, I believe we've had a contract.

[0:22:08] Trustee Patrick: I can look at staff.

[0:22:09] Trustee Patrick: I mean, just about the water management plan.

[0:22:11] Trustee Patrick: I mean, they're discussing with a potential proponent

[0:22:15] Trustee Patrick: to be the contractor.

[0:22:16] Trustee Patrick: and so we're hopefully minutes away from getting that project finally baked off

[0:22:22] Trustee Patrick: for the water management plan okay

[0:22:26] Voice 19: so that concludes that section so we'll

[0:22:30] Voice 19: move to section 8 we've got Meadowbrook rental charges a staff memorandum on

[0:22:38] Voice 19: on page 130, and we'll get to there.

[0:22:45] Voice 19: So, Jordy Martin, this looks like your report.

[0:22:50] Voice 19: Do you want to read that?

[0:22:53] Voice 7: Yeah, I can speak to it briefly.

[0:22:55] Voice 7: This is in response to the request of the LTC

[0:22:58] Voice 7: to request the rental charges from GIZR,

[0:23:01] Voice 7: which staff did and received the response

[0:23:04] Voice 7: as appended to the memo here.

[0:23:06] Voice 7: And then really it maybe doesn't provide

[0:23:11] Voice 7: provide the specificity that the LDC was looking for.

[0:23:14] Voice 7: Staff recommended that, as a follow-up,

[0:23:17] Voice 7: we request the Well-Bound Senior Residential Association

[0:23:21] Voice 7: to complete Schedule A,

[0:23:22] Voice 7: which is in the Housing Agreement By-law,

[0:23:25] Voice 7: which is just sort of a testation

[0:23:28] Voice 7: to what the information is received.

[0:23:30] Voice 7: And I believe, Harry?

[0:23:32] Voice 7: Harry from Ghezra, the Executive Director,

[0:23:34] Voice 7: is in the audience if you have further questions about that.

[0:23:38] Voice 7: I'm happy to take questions too.

[0:23:41] Voice 19: Okay. Well, thank you for the report and the recommendation. I'll ask, trustees, do you have any questions for staff or the Gisra representative?

[0:23:50] Voice 8: No. Would the Gisra representative have any concerns about this?

[0:23:55] Voice 11: I've not read what the added requirements are, but the wording of the by-law of 364,

[0:24:02] Voice 11: which is the housing agreement, is a little problematic because it's vague, because it

[0:24:11] Voice 11: calls two things rent, whereas the understanding is also in the by-law that the rent is split

[0:24:21] Voice 11: into two parts, there's the services, and then what we started to call, to clarify it,

[0:24:30] Voice 11: we call it base rent, which is the amount of money it costs to run the suites, the units,

[0:24:40] Voice 11: and all the associated costs of that maintenance and sewage, water and that sort of thing.

[0:24:47] Voice 11: And then we've got these services, which are the dining, the laundry services, the medical, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:24:59] Voice 11: The approximately, this has been historic through the 20-year history of the organization,

[0:25:05] Voice 11: approximately half the costs are services, and then half the costs are building ground-turning engines.

[0:25:16] Voice 11: And of the buildings, ground-type maintenance, about 23% of the area is devoted to services.

[0:25:25] Voice 11: So historically, the organization has always said, well, this is services, and what's subject to the housing agreement are the costs that I just described.

[0:25:43] Voice 11: Right. So that's what has been considered that there's a control on, and it's controlled by the cost of living in debts,

[0:25:53] Voice 11: and if it's less, by the Residential Tenancy Act, in terms of increases.

[0:26:03] Voice 11: Of course, increases don't apply to new residents. They only apply to existing residents.

[0:26:10] Voice 11: that's within term increases so there's a sort of it's a bit complex and so that's how the

[0:26:16] Voice 11: organization historically interpreted the bylaw and that's what's been applied now we're aware

[0:26:22] Voice 11: that if we want to increase beyond the framework given then we need to apply to this committee for

[0:26:30] Voice 11: that and it seems that we've never got close to that threshold over the years that's never been

[0:26:35] Voice 11: done so that's where we are today the we did back in April the Board of Directors

[0:26:43] Voice 11: did vote to have what we call the step increase to rents for new people not

[0:26:52] Voice 11: people there existing we only get a turnover of approximately six per year

[0:26:56] Voice 11: so it takes six six years almost for the whole place so those rents won't apply

[0:27:02] Voice 11: completed for another few years.

[0:27:05] Voice 11: So anyway, the board voted to increase

[0:27:08] Voice 11: because of the need for a depreciation reserve.

[0:27:15] Voice 11: We've got infrastructure, which is now

[0:27:17] Voice 11: approaching 20 years old, and the realization

[0:27:21] Voice 11: was that they just weren't putting aside

[0:27:24] Voice 11: the funds required for that.

[0:27:25] Voice 11: So that was a necessity to maintain the infrastructure.

[0:27:28] Voice 11: So that's where we are, and that's

[0:27:31] Voice 11: structure yeah

[0:27:33] Voice 2: okay

[0:27:42] Voice 19: thank you Jenny I saw your hand out and I'm inclined not

[0:27:46] Voice 19: to want to set up a situation that's

[0:27:48] Voice 2: why you shouldn't ask me to follow your

[0:27:50] Voice 2: proper procedure which is that people are in delegation accountable well

[0:27:54] Voice 2: that's correct it is correct okay

[0:27:57] Voice 19: but we're actually we have a

[0:27:59] Voice 19: question for the Meadowbrook director because he's here with respect to the

[0:28:05] Voice 19: findings of the staff report I think that that's

[0:28:08] Voice 2: okay thank

[0:28:12] Voice 19: you I asked the

[0:28:14] Voice 8: question I apologize it was very helpful for me to get the answer but anyway I'm

[0:28:17] Voice 8: happy to make so there

[0:28:18] Voice 19: is a recommendation yes

[0:28:19] Voice 8: and I'm happy to move

[0:28:20] Voice 8: the sourcing out a local trust committee request the Gulf Islands senior

[0:28:23] Voice 8: residential associates Association provide a completed schedule a to bylaw

[0:28:27] Voice 8: at number 364.

[0:28:30] Voice 19: That's moved. And I have a seconder.

[0:28:32] Voice 19: And Laura Patrick, all those in favor?

[0:28:34] Voice 19: That carries.

[0:28:35] Trustee Patrick: I have a little bit of a comment to this report.

[0:28:38] Trustee Patrick: Comment?

[0:28:39] Trustee Patrick: On page 131 at the bottom

[0:28:41] Trustee Patrick: in this staff report, it says,

[0:28:43] Trustee Patrick: housing agreements are difficult to fully

[0:28:45] Trustee Patrick: enforce as the Islands Trust has limited

[0:28:47] Trustee Patrick: ability to confirm that the information

[0:28:49] Trustee Patrick: provided in general, not specific to this

[0:28:51] Trustee Patrick: request, is correct and accurate.

[0:28:53] Trustee Patrick: And it carries on about

[0:28:55] Trustee Patrick: they still have value.

[0:28:57] Trustee Patrick: housing agreements are vitally important they're vitally important to everything that we can do

[0:29:02] Trustee Patrick: we're going to have a conversation about suites later and we're talking about housing agreements

[0:29:05] Trustee Patrick: and then we put in a report that we don't have the ability to take care of them so i'd like my

[0:29:10] Trustee Patrick: fellow trustees to keep this in mind when we debate the next item about a housing council

[0:29:14] Trustee Patrick: type entity and other things to make sure that we do have the ability to manage these housing

[0:29:20] Trustee Patrick: agreements because they are vitally necessary that's right yeah absolutely

[0:29:25] Voice 19: right yeah okay so I'll ask if there's any further action or remarks with

[0:29:34] Voice 19: respect to the metal work rental trackers no okay thank you so now let's

[0:29:39] Voice 19: go to LTC special electronic meeting regarding the Agriculture Advisory Plan

[0:29:45] Voice 19: Commission and the Agricultural Alliance this is also a request for decision

[0:29:49] Voice 19: in order to make the meetings with the Agriculture Alliance easier to attend.

[0:30:00] Voice 19: page we are on here we're on page 44 and i just have to be patient here so uh now the planning

[0:30:09] Voice 19: team assistant has brought this to us and i've seen rob i think in the audience uh regional

[0:30:14] Voice 19: planners sir mac do you want to speak to this

[0:30:16] Voice 12: sure if you'd like mr chair this is just according to

[0:30:20] Voice 12: the procedures bylaw if the request committee would like to have a fully electronic meeting

[0:30:25] Voice 12: at this point uh you must pass a resolution to do so and that is for a special business meeting

[0:30:30] Voice 12: and that's what this is.

[0:30:32] Voice 12: We've talked to members of the Agriculture Advisory

[0:30:34] Voice 12: Fund Commission and some members of the Agriculture Alliance.

[0:30:37] Voice 12: They requested that that would be easier for them

[0:30:39] Voice 12: to meet in this way and therefore we're providing you

[0:30:43] Voice 12: the opportunity to meet them the way they would like to be.

[0:30:46] Voice 12: Okay, Trustee?

[0:30:48] Voice 12: I

[0:30:49] Trustee Patrick: move that the South Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:30:51] Trustee Patrick: agree to conduct a special business meeting scheduled

[0:30:54] Trustee Patrick: for November 18th, 2021 entirely by means of audio

[0:30:57] Trustee Patrick: and visual electronic communication facilities

[0:31:00] Trustee Patrick: facilities such as Zoom as permitted by bylaw number 391.

[0:31:04] Voice 18: Second.

[0:31:05] Voice 18: Moved and seconded.

[0:31:06] Voice 18: Laura Patrick?

[0:31:07] Trustee Patrick: Well, I just want to, this has been, I think, a very important relationship.

[0:31:11] Trustee Patrick: And just so you know, now Northender is starting the same thing with their agricultural groups.

[0:31:15] Trustee Patrick: And I think it's an important conversation to take the time to have.

[0:31:19] Voice 19: Good.

[0:31:20] Voice 19: Yeah, I agree completely.

[0:31:21] Voice 19: So anything else?

[0:31:23] Voice 19: Otherwise, we'll call for the vote.

[0:31:24] Voice 19: All those in favor?

[0:31:25] Voice 19: I carry unanimously.

[0:31:27] Voice 19: Thank you very much for the recommendation.

[0:31:28] Voice 19: recommendation, and thank you for the motion.

[0:31:32] Voice 19: Here we are now, draft bylaw number 527.

[0:31:35] Voice 19: This is the fees bylaw, which has come to us

[0:31:38] Voice 19: through council, recommending three amendments,

[0:31:43] Voice 19: which haven't been updated in a very long time.

[0:31:44] Voice 19: I'll turn this to staff to introduce for us.

[0:31:48] Voice 12: Sure, thank you, Mr. Chair.

[0:31:49] Voice 18: As you said, this

[0:31:50] Voice 12: comes to you straight from trust council,

[0:31:52] Voice 12: the director of local planning services

[0:31:54] Voice 12: forwarded to the local trust committee,

[0:31:56] Voice 12: And in October, the local trust committee passed a resolution to, in fact, update the

[0:32:02] Voice 12: fees by-law to match the Model P by-law.

[0:32:04] Voice 12: So that's what staff have done.

[0:32:05] Voice 12: It's 40 there.

[0:32:07] Voice 12: I should add, before the question is asked, Director Marr was pretty clear that if there's

[0:32:13] Voice 12: to be any segue from it other than what is permitted in the by-law, if you wish to debate

[0:32:17] Voice 12: various terms other than the 20%, that it becomes a project, and you're pretty fully

[0:32:22] Voice 12: matched on that.

[0:32:23] Voice 12: So he was kind of saying,

[0:32:24] Voice 12: take it or leave it, and that's more or less the words you'd probably hate me for saying.

[0:32:28] Voice 12: So there it is.

[0:32:31] Voice 12: If you'd like to make it a project that's great, if you'd like to do a minor amendment, as per the law, it's possible.

[0:32:36] Voice 12: There it is.

[0:32:39] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:32:41] Voice 19: So, Trustee Grubb.

[0:32:42] Voice 8: I'm in favor of this.

[0:32:43] Voice 8: Just for the public record, I want to confirm that the rates being proposed are basically in line with other municipalities in this part of the world.

[0:32:57] Voice 12: I believe that's

[0:33:00] Voice 8: the case I

[0:33:01] Trustee Patrick: was on this committee I did I personally did quite a

[0:33:04] Trustee Patrick: bit of research on it it there is a there is always a variety and it is it

[0:33:12] Trustee Patrick: is complicated for the most part they are comparable but nothing matches up

[0:33:18] Trustee Patrick: perfectly line for line but I do have a number of comments she

[0:33:24] Voice 8: has a number of

[0:33:25] Voice 8: questions okay

[0:33:26] Voice 19: so you have some amendments or just some I think there

[0:33:33] Trustee Patrick: should be some amendments because seeing that we have the chair of the financial

[0:33:37] Trustee Patrick: planning committee here I don't think the intent was for our fees to go down

[0:33:40] Trustee Patrick: and that has happened in a couple of circumstances here so if we're only

[0:33:45] Trustee Patrick: allowed the 20% which seems kind of strange I think

[0:33:48] Trustee Patrick: that was probably an

[0:33:49] Voice 1: oversight on the

[0:33:49] Trustee Patrick: committee's part to to not have recognized that some committee some fees would be

[0:33:54] Trustee Patrick: up but uh under uh development permits what pays you

[0:33:58] Trustee Patrick: on i'm on oh sorry 149 of the agenda package

[0:34:01] Trustee Patrick: under development permits our old fee was um eleven hundred dollars so now we've gone down

[0:34:11] Trustee Patrick: to a thousand so we should probably go up the twenty percent to twelve hundred or is there

[0:34:17] Trustee Patrick: or how do we deal with that?

[0:34:19] Trustee Patrick: Should our fees be going down?

[0:34:21] Voice 18: That doesn't make

[0:34:22] Voice 19: a lot of sense,

[0:34:22] Voice 19: because that's

[0:34:23] Trustee Patrick: not the object.

[0:34:24] Trustee Patrick: So we either match our old fee, which was $1,100,

[0:34:29] Trustee Patrick: or go up.

[0:34:31] Trustee Patrick: And we're only allowed to go up 20%.

[0:34:33] Trustee Patrick: The ninth question.

[0:34:36] Voice 19: Yeah, do you have any remarks there?

[0:34:38] Voice 19: I don't know.

[0:34:38] Voice 19: I think the 20% was contemplated as a going down mechanism.

[0:34:42] Voice 19: It's either way.

[0:34:43] Trustee Patrick: It's either way?

[0:34:44] Voice 19: OK, well, then that's fine.

[0:34:46] Voice 19: So if you have a proposal that you'd

[0:34:49] Voice 19: like to advance but to make it now well

[0:34:52] Trustee Patrick: that would be it would be applicable to all basically all

[0:34:55] Trustee Patrick: development permits um

[0:34:57] Voice 19: the only

[0:34:59] Trustee Patrick: exception of form and character is different um so perhaps

[0:35:06] Voice 12: i recall that mr chair if if i recall the discussion uh the intent was that forming

[0:35:12] Voice 12: character was um a different thing and something that was more meant to protect right and i think

[0:35:20] Voice 12: If I recall the discussions from reading the staff reports, the protection element was what brought the price down.

[0:35:26] Voice 12: I could be wrong.

[0:35:27] Voice 12: It wasn't for all the discussions, but I

[0:35:29] Voice 19: know that it's true.

[0:35:29] Voice 12: So

[0:35:29] Voice 19: then are you suggesting that 1 through 3 and 5 through 8 be increased by 20% from the indicated value?

[0:35:46] Voice 18: Well,

[0:35:50] Trustee Patrick: I'm just looking to my phone.

[0:35:51] Trustee Patrick: I'm just curious.

[0:35:53] Trustee Patrick: I mean, our old fee, did we have complaints about our old fee?

[0:35:57] Trustee Patrick: was our old impediment to I mean we're talking 100 bucks I don't want to take all day to talk

[0:36:02] Trustee Patrick: about that I just caught me off guard so

[0:36:06] Voice 8: I thought you were talking about 200 bucks well no it's

[0:36:09] Trustee Patrick: right now well we currently charge one thousand one hundred dollars yeah so

[0:36:14] Trustee Patrick: if our fee either

[0:36:15] Trustee Patrick: remains the same at one thousand one hundred dollars or we could go up a maximum of 20 percent

[0:36:20] Trustee Patrick: which would be

[0:36:21] Voice 16: $200 from their fee.

[0:36:25] Voice 19: We're only allowed to go from the model fee.

[0:36:29] Voice 19: Yeah, I would agree.

[0:36:30] Voice 8: I think we should, subject to staff response,

[0:36:35] Voice 8: we should increase it by 20% from this proposal here.

[0:36:37] Voice 8: So it would be up $100.

[0:36:40] Trustee Patrick: For development permits.

[0:36:42] Voice 8: Is that all right?

[0:36:43] Voice 8: Yeah, that's up to you.

[0:36:45] Voice 8: I'm just wondering what you think.

[0:36:46] Voice 12: I haven't done the research, so I don't know.

[0:36:49] Voice 12: But these

[0:36:51] Voice 8: rates have been in place for eons, haven't they?

[0:36:55] Voice 8: So I think it's totally reasonable that we should be reviewing them.

[0:36:59] Voice 19: Well, I think bottom line is we don't need to be reducing the fees.

[0:37:02] Voice 19: We are unable to cover the costs associated with fees for processing applications.

[0:37:13] Trustee Patrick: I'll throw the motion out there.

[0:37:15] Trustee Patrick: So I move that we amend Table 2.

[0:37:20] Trustee Patrick: Table 1.

[0:37:22] Voice 13: Table 2. Yeah, table

[0:37:23] Trustee Patrick: 2. Items 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, yeah, just through 7, not 8.

[0:37:33] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:37:35] Trustee Patrick: Amend to the $1,200.

[0:37:39] Voice 19: Okay. I second that.

[0:37:41] Voice 19: Move to second it. Any further discussion?

[0:37:43] Voice 19: No.

[0:37:44] Voice 19: All those in favor? Okay. Thank you, Laura.

[0:37:47] Trustee Patrick: And then we've got item number 15 is citing and use permits. We don't have those?

[0:37:53] Trustee Patrick: No, you're correct.

[0:37:55] Trustee Patrick: So that should be removed.

[0:38:01] Voice 8: You're going too fast, I think.

[0:38:03] Voice 8: I'm sorry.

[0:38:06] Voice 8: Laura's proposing that we remove item 15 because we don't have citing and use permits.

[0:38:13] Voice 19: That's correct, yeah.

[0:38:15] Voice 19: So then we'll strike item 15 from the schedule.

[0:38:20] Voice 19: If

[0:38:21] Trustee Patrick: you can hold that one.

[0:38:24] Trustee Patrick: The other one that has been reduced was subdivision.

[0:38:30] Voice 19: Sir, should we deal with that one first?

[0:38:32] Trustee Patrick: Deal with that one.

[0:38:33] Trustee Patrick: I just want to amend that one.

[0:38:34] Trustee Patrick: I move that we amend table two, whatever it's called, other permits,

[0:38:42] Trustee Patrick: and remove item 15, citing and use permits.

[0:38:45] Trustee Patrick: Second that.

[0:38:46] Voice 19: Move seconded.

[0:38:47] Voice 19: Any discussion?

[0:38:48] Voice 19: No.

[0:38:49] Voice 19: All those in favor, that carries.

[0:38:50] Voice 19: Thank you for capturing that.

[0:38:51] Voice 19: all

[0:38:51] Trustee Patrick: right so table three column one subdivisions our current fee is $1,100

[0:39:01] Trustee Patrick: and this is a reduction and our current additional cost per parcel is a hundred

[0:39:10] Trustee Patrick: and ten this has a hundred and then that is an increase for the parcel line

[0:39:19] Voice 1: an

[0:39:19] Trustee Patrick: adjustment so I would then move to amend that we table three modify line

[0:39:32] Trustee Patrick: one to be $1,200 and item two to $120 right second

[0:39:41] Voice 8: that okay

[0:40:02] Voice 19: so I think that's

[0:40:03] Voice 19: clear and so I'll just ask for any discussion I'll call the vote all those

[0:40:08] Voice 19: paper that carries thank

[0:40:09] Voice 8: you thank you Laura

[0:40:10] Trustee Patrick: and this is under our old

[0:40:15] Trustee Patrick: application fee we had broken out the difference between liquor the liquor and

[0:40:19] Trustee Patrick: cannabis branch we had a liquor application we had a cannabis retail and

[0:40:23] Trustee Patrick: our old cannabis retail was $4,000 so I'm just curious as to I don't know I

[0:40:30] Trustee Patrick: don't know why that was said in the first place and now it's recommended to

[0:40:33] Trustee Patrick: be fifteen hundred dollars so

[0:40:37] Voice 8: page number oh

[0:40:39] Trustee Patrick: so this is a table four on the same page that we

[0:40:42] Trustee Patrick: were just on subdivisions so just liquor and cannabis regulation branch retail license

[0:40:47] Trustee Patrick: application they just they combined it in this or liquor and cannabis yeah so they've combined it

[0:40:54] Trustee Patrick: into one line item item three on that table four fifteen hundred dollars and our old one was broken

[0:41:00] Trustee Patrick: up and cannabis was 4,000. So I don't know the history of the 4,000.

[0:41:10] Voice 8: But I think in those days we all had a different approach to cannabis or maybe

[0:41:15] Voice 8: there was a different approach to cannabis and I think we've all come a long journey

[0:41:19] Voice 8: since then. So I'm happy

[0:41:22] Voice 3: to leave it.

[0:41:23] Voice 3: I was more asking because I didn't know the

[0:41:25] Voice 8: history of where the 4,000 came from.

[0:41:28] Voice 19: Although we do have the privilege to continue to raise it 20%.

[0:41:33] Voice 19: Well,

[0:41:35] Trustee Patrick: the $1,500 is much higher than what we used to charge for liquor.

[0:41:41] Trustee Patrick: That was $825, so it is an increase.

[0:41:44] Voice 8: My inclination would be to leave it.

[0:41:47] Trustee Patrick: Fine with me. I'm just pointing out the differences.

[0:41:50] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:41:50] Voice 8: Then

[0:41:51] Trustee Patrick: there's one more that is not addressed in here, and that is the definition of community benefits.

[0:41:55] Trustee Patrick: This model bylaw was intended to have each local trust committee just have a discussion

[0:42:00] Trustee Patrick: about what community benefits were, because there are the new charges for various permits

[0:42:08] Trustee Patrick: that are considered a community benefit, and I know we've run into that regarding community

[0:42:18] Voice 1: needs and

[0:42:19] Trustee Patrick: other things, so I don't know if we're going to take the time now to have that

[0:42:24] Trustee Patrick: conversation or we need to plant that on what what would be considered a community

[0:42:32] Trustee Patrick: need our community RPM so many

[0:42:36] Trustee Patrick: benefit sure

[0:42:39] Voice 12: through the chair that is one

[0:42:41] Voice 12: amendment I did put in there and that was some clarity but this is just me I

[0:42:46] Voice 12: put an example with there in the definition okay you are 148 in the

[0:42:52] Voice 12: The definition section of this bylaw, it says community benefit refers to an application that results in provision of an amenity that is of value to the community and identified in the official community plan as a community amenity.

[0:43:07] Voice 12: And I put in, for example, or i.e., section H3 of bylaw number 424, and you'll see that that is your amenity, this is the only bylaw which lists a series of community benefits.

[0:43:21] Voice 12: That's not, you know, I took four examples and say, certainly as I hear you, so I've

[0:43:27] Voice 12: tried to provide a little bit of clarity from the staff's perspective.

[0:43:29] Voice 12: I said, of course, this is your job, and you can run that as you.

[0:43:34] Voice 18: Thank you for that.

[0:43:35] Voice 18: Laura?

[0:43:37] Trustee Patrick: I'm just, I think, I'd like to think about that some more, because this is our chance

[0:43:43] Trustee Patrick: to do that.

[0:43:44] Trustee Patrick: So that's my only concern, because I don't know if we really catch, like, you know, job

[0:43:49] Trustee Patrick: creation or especially green job creation

[0:43:53] Voice 8: you're referring to this where

[0:43:56] Voice 8: does this

[0:43:57] Trustee Patrick: come up it's in it's in it's in we have two new permit charges that

[0:44:02] Trustee Patrick: are based on community benefit and

[0:44:05] Voice 8: we're which are they specifically there's

[0:44:07] Trustee Patrick: temporary use permits

[0:44:10] Trustee Patrick: And where's the other one?

[0:44:13] Trustee Patrick: Temporary use permits, is there other ones, or just temporary use permits?

[0:44:19] Trustee Patrick: Is it just temporary use permits?

[0:44:21] Voice 17: I'm not sure at all.

[0:44:23] Voice 19: Yeah, so I think, is that not so that the consideration of community benefits might provide the opportunity for the LTC to lower the permit fee?

[0:44:31] Trustee Patrick: No, it already, there is a separate, new fees for community benefits, so it's already established.

[0:44:36] Trustee Patrick: Oh, I see. And

[0:44:36] Trustee Patrick: where is that?

[0:44:37] Trustee Patrick: Under temporary use permits.

[0:44:38] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. Oh,

[0:44:45] Voice 19: I see. Right. Okay. So let me ask a question of the regional planning

[0:44:50] Voice 19: manager then. If we want to advance this at this time to adopt these new fees, which I

[0:44:56] Voice 19: think is important, we can obviously have a conversation about amending this document

[0:45:00] Voice 19: without too much complexity if we want a better definition for community benefit in it.

[0:45:06] Voice 12: So as per staff's recommendation, this is an administrative bylaw.

[0:45:13] Voice 12: So you can give three meetings today and send it to the executive committee and then they can bring it back to you and you can adopt it.

[0:45:21] Voice 12: So it's a very quick turnaround process for administrative by-law.

[0:45:25] Voice 19: So could we then at that time also add a different definition for community benefit?

[0:45:30] Voice 19: I think technically yes, but I

[0:45:33] Voice 12: do believe you would want to send it to executive committee as the by-law you intend to adopt.

[0:45:38] Voice 12: all right so if you want to do that you could die you could choose to give you

[0:45:42] Voice 12: know one in first reading second reading and not the third and refer and you want

[0:45:47] Voice 12: to sit on it for a while or you do no readings or or what have you but I do

[0:45:52] Voice 12: think that when the executive committee we sees that that should be the bottom

[0:45:57] Voice 12: of that then the LTC in turn unless the executive community themselves provides

[0:46:00] Voice 12: that we have

[0:46:01] Voice 19: two members of the executive committee there so Laura what

[0:46:06] Voice 19: What would you like to do?

[0:46:07] Voice 19: Thanks for the advice, Regent Bynum and Mr. Chairman.

[0:46:09] Trustee Patrick: I just think this is our,

[0:46:11] Trustee Patrick: I don't want to make a project out of this,

[0:46:15] Trustee Patrick: that I'll be clear, but I think it's an important thing

[0:46:19] Trustee Patrick: to have some agreement on is it broad enough

[0:46:24] Trustee Patrick: to just accept the amenity list?

[0:46:29] Trustee Patrick: Because it may have some greater social,

[0:46:34] Trustee Patrick: like you know it could be like I said social enterprises there's other things

[0:46:39] Trustee Patrick: that kind of may be outside that amenity list that you know we don't want to

[0:46:44] Trustee Patrick: limit ourselves from being open to in the future so that's that's my only

[0:46:52] Trustee Patrick: certainly that

[0:46:53] Voice 19: session has been raised in this last year with respect to

[0:46:57] Voice 19: applications yeah we

[0:46:59] Trustee Patrick: had a number of things so that I think I think there's

[0:47:01] Trustee Patrick: value clarifying that a little bit this is kind of building on that conversation

[0:47:06] Trustee Patrick: that we're that we're having so I don't know how we want to do that that's all

[0:47:17] Voice 19: well I think I'll ask the regional planning manager do you have the

[0:47:22] Voice 19: resources to review that and come back to with a further recommendation for us

[0:47:28] Voice 19: let's assume that if we gave it first and second reading today and brought us

[0:47:32] Voice 19: an amendment to that section?

[0:47:35] Voice 19: I think staff have the capacity

[0:47:36] Voice 12: internally, but

[0:47:38] Voice 12: my instinct is that the LTC

[0:47:40] Voice 12: and what I think I'm hearing is more

[0:47:42] Voice 12: of a community engagement

[0:47:44] Voice 12: and we certainly don't have any

[0:47:46] Voice 12: capacity to take on board community engagement.

[0:47:48] Voice 12: Oh,

[0:47:49] Voice 19: actually, I understand, yeah.

[0:47:51] Voice 19: Laura Patrick?

[0:47:52] Trustee Patrick: I'm not thinking extensive community

[0:47:54] Trustee Patrick: engagement. We have two task forces that

[0:47:56] Trustee Patrick: represent some very broad

[0:47:59] Trustee Patrick: community input

[0:48:00] Trustee Patrick: put that will be tripping into the same community and entity

[0:48:04] Trustee Patrick: thing in the work that they're doing.

[0:48:06] Trustee Patrick: And I think there's just an opportunity

[0:48:09] Trustee Patrick: to have a conversation on that without having

[0:48:13] Trustee Patrick: to go have a big, huge public engagement process.

[0:48:17] Trustee Patrick: I think we can draw from the groups that we already have.

[0:48:23] Voice 19: The theory of taxing the groups any further,

[0:48:26] Voice 19: but that's certainly a good observation.

[0:48:50] Voice 12: I think that's

[0:48:54] Voice 8: a good thing to do anyway, as amended,

[0:48:56] Trustee Patrick: as amended,

[0:48:57] Voice 19: of course, with a

[0:48:58] Trustee Patrick: specific request about community benefits i think i think i'd like to ask

[0:49:02] Voice 19: uh yeah let's not maybe

[0:49:04] Voice 19: ask them to weigh in on the fees let's just ask a very specific question yeah that's defining

[0:49:09] Voice 19: community benefit that's i think that's okay

[0:49:12] Trustee Patrick: laura i'm going to fly another one here okay

[0:49:15] Trustee Patrick: um i moved that the salt spring island local trust committee um requests that the um staff

[0:49:24] Trustee Patrick: staff report for the new fee bylaw as per trust council policy 5.6.1 be referred to

[0:49:33] Trustee Patrick: our do you want to say the should we do it as well

[0:49:39] Voice 12: i would just say all apcs all

[0:49:41] Trustee Patrick: to aid to the

[0:49:42] Trustee Patrick: advisory planning commissions and task forces and request specific input on defining community

[0:49:53] Trustee Patrick: benefits. Okay,

[0:49:57] Voice 17: you got that, Sarah? Let's give the Senator a moment. That'll be good.

[0:50:08] Voice 4: That the Salisbury-Holland Local Trust Committee requests that the staff report regarding new

[0:50:13] Voice 4: fees by-laws for Trust Council Policy 5.6.1 be referred to the Advisory Planning Commissions

[0:50:20] Voice 4: and Task Forces, and request that specific input be considered regarding community benefits.

[0:50:34] Voice 12: I just want to clarify that advisory planning commissions are pluralized, so we would also

[0:50:39] Voice 12: send it to agriculture.

[0:50:41] Voice 12: I see now.

[0:50:42] Voice 4: Advisory Planning Commission.

[0:50:48] Voice 19: So moved to have a seconder?

[0:50:50] Voice 19: Yes.

[0:50:50] Voice 19: Peter Groh, thank you.

[0:50:51] Voice 19: Any further discussion?

[0:50:52] Voice 8: Yes.

[0:50:53] Voice 8: Go ahead, Peter.

[0:50:55] Voice 8: Again, thanks, Laura, for bringing this up.

[0:50:57] Voice 8: I'm a bit concerned about passing this on to the Commission's and it's just

[0:51:04] Voice 8: adding to their workload I'm not sure what's wrong with Stefan's definition

[0:51:10] Voice 8: that he put in which I've now lost I mean it seemed to cover it

[0:51:15] Voice 3: thank you

[0:51:19] Voice 8: community benefit I'm what's wrong with with that definition

[0:51:26] Trustee Patrick: I mean it's it's

[0:51:29] Trustee Patrick: more in line with a person someone like rezoning or something in the direction

[0:51:34] Trustee Patrick: to what we would expect a community amenity would be in relation to those

[0:51:38] Trustee Patrick: type of decisions right in

[0:51:39] Trustee Patrick: relation to a temporary use permit or other thing

[0:51:42] Trustee Patrick: there are other social related issues that may come about in the future where

[0:51:50] Trustee Patrick: that look that list is really a development focused list rather than

[0:51:55] Trustee Patrick: And

[0:51:55] Voice 8: which list are you actually talking about?

[0:51:57] Voice 8: This

[0:51:57] Trustee Patrick: is the community amenity list that we have in the OCP.

[0:52:03] Trustee Patrick: It's also referenced in this by-law 434.

[0:52:10] Voice 8: Historically, the community benefit has been something that's been discussed at LTC.

[0:52:15] Voice 8: Whenever an application comes in and there's a community benefit, we talk about it as to whether we think it is or it isn't or how valuable it is.

[0:52:22] Voice 8: And I don't see that necessarily changing.

[0:52:25] Voice 8: I'm just worried about making this into a bigger job than it needs to be I don't

[0:52:33] Trustee Patrick: think it needs to be a big job I think it's just to make sure we capture capture

[0:52:40] Trustee Patrick: this this cut this concept refresh it is a better word than just referencing the

[0:52:48] Trustee Patrick: amenity list maybe

[0:52:49] Voice 19: I'll just comment to help the conversation is I think there's

[0:52:52] Voice 19: a difference between an amenity and a community benefit and I think personally

[0:52:57] Voice 19: anyway I've struggled with when we've been doing something as you said we

[0:53:02] Voice 19: discuss it it's it's a lot of it is at our discretion and it would be nice I

[0:53:07] Voice 19: think for the community to know that it's less up to us whether or not we

[0:53:13] Voice 19: decide it's an amenity or not and that there be some guidelines around defining

[0:53:18] Voice 19: that because I think there's lots of things that we've heard from the public

[0:53:22] Voice 19: like in the past to do with temporary permits and the like

[0:53:26] Voice 19: that may be in a bit of a gray area

[0:53:29] Voice 19: and other things that are more clearly a community benefit.

[0:53:32] Voice 19: So I appreciate the opportunity,

[0:53:34] Voice 19: but I do totally understand we don't want to make it big

[0:53:37] Voice 19: and hopefully the APCs will at least reflect on this meeting

[0:53:42] Voice 19: and that one what's been discussed

[0:53:44] Voice 19: and that let's not make it a big deal,

[0:53:46] Voice 19: but let's turn our minds to it.

[0:53:48] Voice 19: I think there's some value.

[0:53:49] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:53:50] Voice 8: And by the way, in terms of that, just under TUPs, I noticed we've got a TUP for residential, and unfortunately we don't have TUPs for residential on Salt Spring at this point. I'm hoping that will change.

[0:54:02] Voice 8: All

[0:54:02] Voice 19: TUPs were changed by the provincial government to be broader than just industrial.

[0:54:07] Voice 19: through

[0:54:11] Voice 12: the chair and your land use bylaw was amended in the industrial program to be

[0:54:18] Voice 12: taking away the strict adherence to just industrial and commercial

[0:54:22] Voice 12: so you could say that it permits temporary use permits for other uses now unfortunately we don't

[0:54:30] Voice 12: have any guidance we don't have any guidance so you have good guidance for industrial commercial

[0:54:35] Voice 12: to get none for residential if you want to permit that temporary use residential use

[0:54:43] Voice 12: So, it makes staff's job tricky, but it does allow the community to .

[0:54:48] Voice 8: Sorry.

[0:54:48] Voice 8: So, we can have temporary use permits for residential units as well?

[0:54:52] Voice 8: Yes.

[0:54:53] Voice 8: Thank you very much, Chair.

[0:54:55] Voice 8: That's good news, as far as I'm concerned.

[0:54:58] Voice 8: I hope you don't

[0:54:58] Voice 8: mind, Mr. Chair, if I

[0:54:59] Voice 8: just throw something for

[0:55:00] Voice 12: you from staff's perspective,

[0:55:02] Voice 12: is that your attempt to define community unique has been challenging from staff's perspective

[0:55:08] Voice 12: of when enforcing their standing resolution about compliance on unlawful uses and when the applicant

[0:55:15] Voice 12: can come back to you and the LTC has to decide whether or not it's a community need to stop

[0:55:21] Voice 12: enforcement so and I think that largely is a result of staff also not being able to provide

[0:55:25] Voice 12: any recommendations because there's no it's a subjective opinion

[0:55:29] Voice 8: so you're saying this would

[0:55:30] Voice 8: would be helpful.

[0:55:31] Voice 8: I think providing a list

[0:55:33] Voice 12: might help the future LTC sequences more.

[0:55:36] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:55:37] Voice 8: So that's a good one.

[0:55:38] Voice 19: Well, let's get to the vote, then,

[0:55:40] Voice 19: if there's no further discussion.

[0:55:41] Voice 19: All those in favor?

[0:55:43] Voice 19: That carries unanimously.

[0:55:45] Voice 19: Did you manage to get that?

[0:55:47] Voice 19: I did get that.

[0:55:48] Voice 6: Before you move

[0:55:49] Voice 4: on, I'm wondering if these four

[0:55:50] Voice 4: amendments to the box, they were all

[0:55:54] Voice 4: there in the check-in, actually.

[0:55:55] Voice 4: I'm wondering, because they were all in the check-in.

[0:56:03] Voice 19: I think because we moved them as they were,

[0:56:06] Voice 19: I would say let's stick to it because the public record at this point indicates that individual just say for that. Thank you

[0:56:17] Voice 8: All

[0:56:18] Voice 19: right, then so that does that cover

[0:56:26] Voice 19: Bylaw number five to seven fees by law

[0:56:28] Voice 19: We are not going to advance at the multiple meetings. We're going to wait for it to come back

[0:56:33] Voice 19: So we'll see that report come back to us after the APC's have had a chance to review it. So that would probably be

[0:56:38] Voice 19: 60 days. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. Just getting my own expectations. So the next item then

[0:56:48] Voice 19: is 8.1.4, Coastal Douglas for project funding options. And we have a staff briefing here

[0:56:56] Voice 19: on page 150. And that is regional planner, Mr. Mack.

[0:57:05] Voice 12: Sure. So thank you, Mr. Chair. This is a request from the financial planning committee. So

[0:57:11] Voice 12: So I just bring it to the LTC because it's regarding the LTC.

[0:57:14] Voice 12: So this is kind of more informative as it's indicated by the term briefing.

[0:57:18] Voice 12: The same report is on tomorrow's financial planning committee's agenda, with the exception of one line saying it's on, it notes that it's also on today's LTC agenda.

[0:57:28] Voice 12: So the request was to report back on options to fund elements of the Salton Island Local Trust Committee's Protection of the Coastal Douglas Bird Zone and Associated Ecosystems Project.

[0:57:39] Voice 12: project. Staff have listed a number of different options, but I think the report does say that

[0:57:47] Voice 12: it's difficult to recommend one project funding another project. It doesn't sort of make sense

[0:57:55] Voice 12: in terms of what's going on with each project, although the LTC have been successful at leveraging

[0:58:01] Voice 12: funds for using the watershed project to do a little bit of close to Douglas for

[0:58:09] Voice 12: discussion but they it was done under the guise of watershed protection so

[0:58:14] Voice 12: nationalization is that you have a list of options specifically thinking about

[0:58:19] Voice 12: the financial planning committee and those are to either amend the project

[0:58:23] Voice 12: charges and associated budgets to include these elements into them as

[0:58:27] Voice 12: as opposed to trying to fund one project from another.

[0:58:29] Voice 12: You know, talking to the director of finance,

[0:58:32] Voice 12: she didn't understand why we would consider

[0:58:35] Voice 12: that sort of as an option.

[0:58:37] Voice 12: Or you can ask the FPC to ask the regional planning committee

[0:58:43] Voice 12: to include it in the work program.

[0:58:44] Voice 12: You'll see in the staff report that the work program

[0:58:46] Voice 12: for the regional planning committee

[0:58:48] Voice 12: doesn't include anything in the program.

[0:58:52] Voice 12: So the acting director of local planning services

[0:58:56] Voice 12: basically said, I can't help you with that.

[0:58:58] Voice 12: and then of course just acknowledging that if this was sort of intended from

[0:59:03] Voice 12: the financial planning committee's perspective to find a cost saving measure

[0:59:08] Voice 12: staff didn't really approach it too much that way we're just looking directly to

[0:59:12] Voice 12: what the resolution was and that it you may have you always with the special

[0:59:17] Voice 12: tax property acquisition okay very

[0:59:29] Voice 18: good trustees I

[0:59:32] Trustee Patrick: want to be clear I wasn't

[0:59:33] Trustee Patrick: just saying let's play a shell game and move money from one project to another the fire ecology

[0:59:41] Trustee Patrick: management work that we are proposing came you know is related to the very large grant

[0:59:48] Trustee Patrick: that transition salt spring was successful in getting which is related to watershed protection

[0:59:53] Trustee Patrick: and that this was related to that project so this this was related to watershed

[1:00:00] Trustee Patrick: fire, sort of the ecosystem

[1:00:01] Trustee Patrick: fire, eco, whatever, I'm sorry

[1:00:03] Trustee Patrick: mixing up all the words

[1:00:06] Trustee Patrick: the fire ecologist

[1:00:07] Trustee Patrick: work related to the

[1:00:10] Trustee Patrick: primarily watershed, so it was

[1:00:12] Trustee Patrick: that was the opportunity I was

[1:00:14] Trustee Patrick: looking at, is this a watershed

[1:00:16] Trustee Patrick: project or not

[1:00:17] Trustee Patrick: not just, let's take the funding from watershed

[1:00:20] Trustee Patrick: to fund the coastal diversified project

[1:00:23] Trustee Patrick: that was

[1:00:24] Trustee Patrick: more or less my question

[1:00:29] Voice 18: Thank you, Peter Rowland

[1:00:31] Voice 8: Yes, of course, it's a watershed project. Everything is a watershed project. We're all in a watershed. We're no matter where we go, some kind. So can we get access to some of that grant money for this exercise?

[1:00:43] Trustee Patrick: they it was no this was work above this was meant to be supplemental to that

[1:00:49] Trustee Patrick: grant they didn't get grant funding for a fire call they came they presented to

[1:00:56] Trustee Patrick: us and said this is what we need to the islands trust to support this this

[1:01:02] Trustee Patrick: project and make it broader but

[1:01:05] Voice 8: so then the project that they're working on does

[1:01:08] Voice 8: does not deal with fire issues at all?

[1:01:10] Trustee Patrick: It does.

[1:01:11] Trustee Patrick: But they didn't have a fire ecologist.

[1:01:15] Trustee Patrick: It didn't get funded.

[1:01:17] Voice 8: They didn't have a fire ecologist?

[1:01:19] Voice 8: No.

[1:01:22] Voice 8: And sorry, fire ecologists are a specialty?

[1:01:25] Voice 8: To

[1:01:25] Trustee Patrick: develop management practices.

[1:01:27] Trustee Patrick: It was to look at management practices.

[1:01:29] Voice 8: How would our own fire department do that?

[1:01:32] Trustee Patrick: This was the part of the, their focus

[1:01:35] Trustee Patrick: is on fire smart, which is the perimeter of building

[1:01:40] Trustee Patrick: protection.

[1:01:42] Trustee Patrick: And that's their territory.

[1:01:43] Trustee Patrick: It's now you've got forests between buildings,

[1:01:45] Trustee Patrick: and that's the piece that kind of fell between the cracks

[1:01:49] Trustee Patrick: of what are the fire management practices

[1:01:52] Trustee Patrick: for the larger swaths of forest

[1:01:55] Trustee Patrick: from a fire safety standpoint.

[1:01:58] Trustee Patrick: It's a mouthful.

[1:02:00] Trustee Patrick: And that's what this project was bridging that.

[1:02:03] Trustee Patrick: They're all working together.

[1:02:04] Trustee Patrick: The fire department's part of the transitions project

[1:02:07] Trustee Patrick: that they're doing for their affairs.

[1:02:09] Trustee Patrick: So that's where this question came from,

[1:02:11] Trustee Patrick: is this potentially watershed, and we will have this conversation tomorrow

[1:02:15] Trustee Patrick: when we look at funding, but that's

[1:02:19] Trustee Patrick: important. And it's work that's going to be pertinent to all

[1:02:25] Trustee Patrick: other islands that have the same forest ecology.

[1:02:29] Voice 8: Precisely. So why is Salt Spring being lumbered with this?

[1:02:35] Voice 8: Sorry, I have to explain something, if I may, Chair, which is

[1:02:39] Voice 8: as I think you know, but just from the public's point of view, I am Chair of the

[1:02:43] Voice 8: of the overall financial planning committee.

[1:02:45] Voice 8: So I have two hats.

[1:02:46] Voice 8: When I'm sitting here,

[1:02:48] Voice 8: my interest is Salt Spring basically,

[1:02:50] Voice 8: and what our needs are.

[1:02:52] Voice 8: And then when I'm sitting here,

[1:02:53] Voice 8: I look at this and I think,

[1:02:54] Voice 8: well, it looks like a good thing.

[1:02:58] Voice 8: But we're responsible for the overall budget

[1:03:00] Voice 8: and the overall budget for the Islands Trust

[1:03:03] Voice 8: is looking bad, as in major requests for money.

[1:03:09] Voice 8: So there's gonna have to be some serious,

[1:03:10] Voice 8: is to use a fire time slashing and burning of that budget.

[1:03:16] Voice 8: I don't see this as essential, because I

[1:03:20] Voice 8: think it's basically being covered by the other work that's

[1:03:23] Voice 8: being done, and this is just a slice in between.

[1:03:27] Voice 8: But if we were not to do this, I suspect

[1:03:33] Voice 8: they'd still come up with a very viable plan.

[1:03:36] Voice 8: so um I when I'm wearing my FPC hat I'll have difficulty supporting this as

[1:03:43] Voice 8: indeed I'm going to have difficulty supporting any of the projects that are

[1:03:46] Voice 8: coming from the islands so I'm going to be a real SOB tomorrow and and negative

[1:03:54] Voice 8: Nellie so just a heads up I'm having a trouble with it

[1:03:59] Voice 8: Sure.

[1:04:02] Trustee Patrick: Laura? This isn't duplicated work. I think transition was quite clear. Having the fire ecology, we just don't have that, those practices. Our practices have been focused on fire smart, which is the building protection, infrastructure protection.

[1:04:25] Trustee Patrick: and it didn't didn't deal with the forests that we lay between and and I

[1:04:31] Trustee Patrick: think that's that's what this fire ecologist was about was what are those

[1:04:34] Trustee Patrick: practices and those practices could inform the hazard the wildfire hazard

[1:04:43] Trustee Patrick: DPA or other coastal Douglas for protection practices because the bottom

[1:04:48] Trustee Patrick: line is it's a healthy forest this is a healthy forest is our best defense to

[1:04:53] Trustee Patrick: wildfire that's what this was was getting down to what those those

[1:04:58] Trustee Patrick: practices were because it did fell between fire smart didn't deal with

[1:05:02] Trustee Patrick: healthy forests that dealt with protection of buildings so I think it's

[1:05:07] Trustee Patrick: an important request it's important information that we all want to know

[1:05:11] Trustee Patrick: living here on these dry islands how to make sure that these forests are being

[1:05:17] Trustee Patrick: being maintained in a way that are protected let

[1:05:22] Voice 8: me go back to this memo

[1:05:25] Voice 8: from Stefan sermon so we are looking at the options the funding of the option

[1:05:29] Voice 8: summary I'm sure it's worthwhile good work it's a question of how it's to be

[1:05:34] Voice 8: funded and so and we could amend the project charter which is I suppose when

[1:05:42] Voice 8: i was coming from um the uh uh we haven't talked about um requesting that it be included in the r

[1:05:50] Voice 8: in the uh in the the work programs for um the regional planning committee at this point is

[1:06:00] Voice 8: anything any further discussion about that

[1:06:02] Trustee Patrick: that's not going to help our that that is moving michelle

[1:06:05] Trustee Patrick: game of one fun to another because they'll have the same thing they don't have it's not in their

[1:06:11] Trustee Patrick: project right now. Well,

[1:06:12] Voice 8: but it's a question

[1:06:15] Voice 8: of whose budget is coming out, right? I certainly would not support

[1:06:23] Voice 8: a special tax requisition.

[1:06:25] Trustee Patrick: No, my question was, is this

[1:06:27] Trustee Patrick: if this is, like we are supporting Weston Lake

[1:06:31] Trustee Patrick: water sustainability work through the SWPA,

[1:06:36] Trustee Patrick: is this a potential SWPA-funded

[1:06:40] Trustee Patrick: project? Good point.

[1:06:41] Trustee Patrick: That's my question.

[1:06:43] Trustee Patrick: and

[1:06:43] Voice 8: what's the answer to that well

[1:06:45] Trustee Patrick: that's what they're saying no here and

[1:06:47] Trustee Patrick: here which because but I think it's related well

[1:06:51] Voice 8: certainly related we're

[1:06:53] Trustee Patrick: talking about our watersheds it's critical the health of our watersheds

[1:07:00] Voice 13: you

[1:07:03] Voice 19: know I just wanted to I was busy looking for an email so I could make a

[1:07:08] Voice 19: proper reference I attended a special event a week or so ago from the Pacific

[1:07:15] Voice 19: Institute for climate solutions and the topic of discussion was escalating

[1:07:20] Voice 19: wildfire and and the note there the print the idea that was being presented

[1:07:26] Voice 19: was how is it that can communities can adapt and mitigate or develop adaption

[1:07:30] Voice 19: and mitigation strategies for communities and the forests and so it's

[1:07:35] Voice 19: a very significant conversation to have that we shouldn't necessarily discount

[1:07:43] Voice 19: And these are very difficult times.

[1:07:46] Voice 19: We've got housing, we've got climate change,

[1:07:47] Voice 19: we've got increasing property values,

[1:07:51] Voice 19: and indeed increasing budget requests in the Allen's Trust

[1:07:55] Voice 19: based upon the demands and requests

[1:07:58] Voice 19: and work that needs to be done by community.

[1:08:02] Voice 19: So certainly there's a whole trust area region-wide

[1:08:10] Voice 19: rationale for

[1:08:11] Voice 19: thinking about this. Certainly

[1:08:13] Voice 19: it's also applicable for this

[1:08:16] Voice 19: community alone and

[1:08:17] Voice 19: I don't think we necessarily expect

[1:08:20] Voice 19: Salt Spring to carry the weight for

[1:08:22] Voice 19: everybody on this but certainly it's something that

[1:08:25] Voice 19: we shouldn't

[1:08:26] Voice 19: turn our minds to and it may be that somehow

[1:08:28] Voice 19: it's a strategy that council wants

[1:08:30] Voice 19: to develop that could help fund

[1:08:31] Voice 19: Salt Spring and indeed

[1:08:34] Voice 19: I think that's part of the budget process

[1:08:36] Voice 19: is we make a request for something and maybe

[1:08:38] Voice 19: others are making the same requests for the same idea and together we can come

[1:08:42] Voice 19: up with a little bit of money but at the end of the day you're right Peter the

[1:08:46] Voice 19: budget presentation present proposal we have is significant and that's a

[1:08:53] Voice 19: challenge but that is also a challenge and a decision for Council yeah

[1:08:56] Voice 8: so what

[1:08:58] Voice 8: are we meant to be doing yeah I

[1:09:00] Voice 19: don't know except that it's a worthy I'm just

[1:09:03] Voice 19: saying it's a worthy thing to be considering and and i i do see in the list that there is potential

[1:09:10] Voice 19: for us to divert funds if i'm not mistaking from other funded lpc projects if the ltc by

[1:09:16] Voice 19: resolution decides to do so so if there was a small amount of money maybe that's a possibility

[1:09:21] Voice 19: maybe not a

[1:09:25] Voice 12: regional investor a new mark there well it is certainly true that you're you know

[1:09:30] Voice 12: in the current fiscal the ltc is welcome to transfer funds from one project to another

[1:09:35] Voice 12: within its project list and has done that numerous times.

[1:09:40] Voice 12: What I'm hearing for this discussion is the desire

[1:09:44] Voice 12: to use unspent SWPA funds for the prior ecology report

[1:09:48] Voice 12: and staff have listed that there's strict guidelines

[1:09:53] Voice 12: on that according to bylaw number 154,

[1:09:56] Voice 12: which is the delegation authority,

[1:09:58] Voice 12: as well as the fiscal procurement policies

[1:10:01] Voice 12: and .

[1:10:03] Voice 12: So I unfortunately didn't attach those to the staff report to refer them to them directly and staff did look at that and consider that as an option but found it a bit of a, you know, even though it's related, found it not related enough to sort of say that it is within that agreement.

[1:10:18] Voice 12: So that's staff's analysis and you can take that argument forward tomorrow to the FPC and consider it there as well.

[1:10:26] Voice 12: well

[1:10:27] Voice 19: so maybe to help this I think we asked the question previously to whether

[1:10:33] Voice 19: or not we could spend money spent super funds for a particular purpose I don't

[1:10:37] Voice 19: think we were specific in that

[1:10:38] Voice 19: request and we were told that no it needs to be

[1:10:41] Voice 19: related so maybe there's an opportunity for us to ask that question again

[1:10:44] Voice 19: whether or not this the the water aspects associated with wildfire

[1:10:52] Voice 19: mitigation measures would fit into that and so rather than us debate between ourselves the

[1:11:01] Voice 19: merits of it without being confident that it's right because I think indeed we want to be right

[1:11:07] Voice 19: about what we're doing because the input the the consequences of doing something that is wrong

[1:11:13] Voice 19: would be significant and we don't want to jeopardize that so I'm just offering that and

[1:11:20] Voice 19: and see where the conversation goes for trustees.

[1:11:22] Voice 19: Well,

[1:11:23] Trustee Patrick: I'm satisfied with the budget request

[1:11:26] Trustee Patrick: that we have in, and we'll make that battle tomorrow

[1:11:28] Trustee Patrick: at the table with the other planner,

[1:11:31] Trustee Patrick: against the other trustees.

[1:11:33] Trustee Patrick: So you can advance the conversation sufficiently.

[1:11:35] Voice 8: Good, thank you.

[1:11:36] Voice 19: Okay, excellent.

[1:11:39] Voice 19: Is there anything further on the Coastal Douglas

[1:11:41] Voice 19: for project funding options?

[1:11:43] Voice 19: We've got some options in front of us.

[1:11:46] Voice 19: All right, so then, let me just see.

[1:11:50] Voice 19: we've moved 8.2 to after the uh noon break and delegations and we've also moved uh housing action

[1:11:59] Voice 19: program and other updates so then at this point we're ready to go into a closed meeting and i'll

[1:12:07] Voice 19: look for a motion to that effect sir my understanding is what at

[1:12:11] Voice 12: the beginning oh thank

[1:12:13] Voice 19: you i didn't write that down right so thank you for the reminder and uh i'm going to actually go

[1:12:19] Voice 19: to regional planners or CIRMAC to assist us with who it is that's going to be presenting they're

[1:12:24] Voice 19: going to phone in oh

[1:12:25] Voice 12: i'm going to refer to Planner Gordon and we have Planner Garbo in the back

[1:12:29] Voice 12: and Planner

[1:12:30] Voice 19: Garbo i was wondering who that masked person

[1:12:33] Voice 12: was back there they will introduce the

[1:12:35] Voice 19: consultant so it's time

[1:12:37] Voice 19: for them to get on the phone you know so perhaps it's best for me to

[1:12:40] Voice 19: turn it over to Planner Garbo come on up to the front so that microphone can pick you up

[1:12:46] Voice 19: that one isn't working

[1:12:48] Voice 3: that's

[1:12:50] Voice 19: just a prop this

[1:12:51] Voice 3: one if

[1:12:53] Voice 19: you speak in this

[1:12:54] Voice 19: region it'll work

[1:12:55] Voice 19: so

[1:12:56] Voice 4: essentially the consultant just wants to get you all up to speed on what we are

[1:13:03] Voice 4: app on the engagement card that they put out and also give you an update on the activities so

[1:13:12] Voice 4: um i think we sent you the slides that they would be used for today and they came back

[1:13:21] Voice 7: yeah if you want uh jennifer to call it now then or yes

[1:13:25] Voice 19: sure and you have that bluetooth connected

[1:13:28] Voice 19: It should, it should, and hopefully it's all gonna work.

[1:13:30] Voice 19: Perfect, thank you.

[1:13:31] Voice 19: Okay, thanks everybody for being with us for a moment

[1:13:34] Voice 19: while we sort out these new technology issues.

[1:13:46] Voice 19: And then we'll go, maybe we'll have a five minute recess

[1:13:50] Voice 19: and go into in-camera and then we'll go to our full break.

[1:14:03] Voice 7: Hello.

[1:14:05] Voice 13: Hello, good morning.

[1:14:07] Voice 19: Good morning, is that Jennifer?

[1:14:10] Voice 5: Yes, it's Jennifer here.

[1:14:12] Voice 19: Excellent, this is Chair Peter Luckham,

[1:14:16] Voice 19: elected on Thetis Island, and here is the chair of the Sultan LPC.

[1:14:20] Voice 19: We have Trustee Peter Grove with us.

[1:14:23] Voice 19: We have Trustee Laura Patrick.

[1:14:25] Voice 19: And we have Administrator Sarah Sugar with us.

[1:14:29] Voice 19: And we have a number of planning staff throughout the room.

[1:14:32] Voice 19: Of course, Planner Garbo, Planner Gordon are with us.

[1:14:36] Voice 19: And this is your opportunity to update us on your work.

[1:14:39] Voice 19: So, Jennifer, over to you.

[1:14:42] Voice 5: Wonderful. Thank you, Chair.

[1:14:44] Voice 5: and thanks to all of you for having me join today.

[1:14:47] Voice 5: I know I wasn't on your agenda to begin with,

[1:14:49] Voice 5: so appreciate your making the time today.

[1:14:53] Voice 5: Since we last met a couple of months ago,

[1:14:56] Voice 5: we've had a pretty engaging, productive,

[1:15:00] Voice 5: I'd say fun process with the task force and staff.

[1:15:06] Voice 5: And today what I'll be walking you through

[1:15:08] Voice 5: is some of the materials that have emerged,

[1:15:10] Voice 5: as well as some of the planning as we look ahead

[1:15:13] Voice 5: to rolling out some of the engagement that's planned for this process.

[1:15:19] Voice 5: So, Jordy, you have the poster up, is that right?

[1:15:23] Voice 7: I'm just going to open it up right now.

[1:15:33] Voice 5: I'll begin speaking as you get that up, Jordy, thank you.

[1:15:36] Voice 5: So our

[1:15:37] Voice 5: very first step in the process, as you might remember,

[1:15:40] Voice 5: was to create an identity for the engagement program.

[1:15:43] Voice 5: So this is intended to be the overall impression that the engagement process will make to people.

[1:15:51] Voice 5: So this, again, means language, or a name, a tagline, messaging.

[1:15:57] Voice 5: It's also the look and the feel, the colors, the type, the images.

[1:16:01] Voice 5: And the idea behind this identity is

[1:16:03] Voice 5: that we want to capture people's perception,

[1:16:05] Voice 5: let them recognize the process for what it is, or as it unfolds in the life of the planning project.

[1:16:10] Voice 5: And it's intended to make the process more accessible and more inviting for folks.

[1:16:15] Voice 5: And the identity

[1:16:16] Voice 5: that we crafted was developing the task force with questions like what are

[1:16:23] Voice 5: the three objectives that come up with Spirit of the Announced Village, how to be participating

[1:16:29] Voice 5: in a meeting with them in September.

[1:16:32] Voice 5: I'll have them share some input through a small survey.

[1:16:35] Voice 5: They said things like, you know, what are the three objectives?

[1:16:39] Voice 5: We used three words like resourceful, creative, farm and seat at table, friendly, hub for shopping.

[1:16:46] Voice 5: On the question about how do you want to be perceived, comments like, I'd like to be perceived as a part of the process that brings our community together around an inspirational vision of the future.

[1:17:03] Voice 5: So with the input we received from the task force, we created a draft of the identity.

[1:17:08] Voice 5: we brought it back to them for review, we tweaked it based on their input, and then

[1:17:14] Voice 5: we arrived at the identity.

[1:17:16] Voice 5: Now you can see it on the poster, the poster's up, Jordy?

[1:17:19] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:17:19] Voice 7: the first one's up there.

[1:17:21] Voice 5: Excellent, thank you.

[1:17:22] Voice 5: So what you're looking at is how the identity looks on a poster.

[1:17:26] Voice 5: So it includes both the Tsutsuban and Tokumino names

[1:17:31] Voice 5: of the village that was there before

[1:17:33] Voice 5: Ganges, as well of course Ganges.

[1:17:35] Voice 5: So the idea is that it's Ganges Gathers, and it's one community, many voices, let's shape the future of our village together.

[1:17:45] Voice 5: And so this would be the poster that would be used to alert folks to the fact that there are opportunities to participate.

[1:17:54] Voice 5: Direct them to the website. There's a QR code.

[1:17:56] Voice 5: This poster will be put up around the village, around the island by staff.

[1:18:02] Voice 5: And then we also

[1:18:03] Voice 5: have, you can move on to the next, actually why don't you flip through

[1:18:08] Voice 5: the different iterations, the different versions of the poster.

[1:18:10] Voice 5: So we have the different options just to keep it fresh and interesting.

[1:18:16] Voice 5: It plays on the theme of gathering, it plays on the theme of harvesting ideas, you know,

[1:18:24] Voice 5: using images that conjure up the sorts of topics that we might be covering in the process,

[1:18:31] Voice 5: and it's intended to be kind of fresh and interesting.

[1:18:33] Voice 5: thing. And then the next outreach or promotional piece that we want to share with you today

[1:18:40] Voice 5: is the postcard. So this postcard, much like the poster, has the same visual identity,

[1:18:45] Voice 5: but on the reverse. It's a little bit more information. And the plan is for this postcard

[1:18:51] Voice 5: to email to every single residential address on the island. So we want everyone to have

[1:18:59] Voice 5: everyone to have the opportunity to participate, everyone to be at least aware that this process is underway.

[1:19:05] Voice 5: The other outreach mechanisms that we have in place, that will be obviously the website,

[1:19:12] Voice 5: which we're updating right now and adding some of the identity to it, to give a fresher look.

[1:19:17] Voice 5: We have newspaper advertisements, one will be printed in Revolve Island driftwood,

[1:19:22] Voice 5: the other will be included in the community exchange paper, a digital version.

[1:19:27] Voice 5: We've got social media posts that will be inviting partners and community agencies to put out through their platforms, through their channels, and then email blasts.

[1:19:37] Voice 5: So emails that will be sent out to local businesses, agencies, other organizations to raise awareness of the process.

[1:19:45] Voice 5: So these are the different ways that we're promoting the process, and that kind of takes us to what the actual activities are themselves.

[1:19:52] Voice 5: So I don't think I can pause here before I move to the activities.

[1:19:56] Voice 5: Any of you have comments or questions or questions to share about the identity and the poster and the postcard?

[1:20:06] Voice 18: Okay, I'll just turn to trustees. I see Trustee Groves shaking his head and I see Trustee Patrick's hand up.

[1:20:12] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. I think it's lovely to see.

[1:20:17] Trustee Patrick: for like the postcard and other things, for a lot of people the

[1:20:24] Trustee Patrick: indigenous names of Ganges will be a surprise. They've never seen it before.

[1:20:29] Trustee Patrick: And so I see our role in reconciliation as part of that is to help people along

[1:20:36] Trustee Patrick: the journey to understand what the Ganges are. So that's my only concern is how do we

[1:20:44] Trustee Patrick: we introduce those terms, or how do we say what they are,

[1:20:47] Trustee Patrick: that these are words

[1:20:48] Voice 3: that are the Ganges' other names

[1:20:52] Voice 3: from these other languages, something in there

[1:20:54] Voice 3: so that it's not, what are these?

[1:20:58] Voice 3: Because not everyone's going to recognize those

[1:21:01] Voice 3: as indigenous names, I hate to say.

[1:21:05] Voice 3: I'd

[1:21:06] Voice 13: like to think everybody's on the same page,

[1:21:08] Voice 3: but we're all growing at different speeds.

[1:21:12] Voice 5: Yeah, that's a great point, and I

[1:21:14] Voice 5: I know that, you know, Islanders Trust has a commitment to our conciliation and education and that's certainly something that we would be including in the activities themselves, but you're absolutely correct that that, you know, wouldn't be apparent necessarily if someone was receiving a postcard, right?

[1:21:30] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:21:30] Trustee Patrick: could it be a footnote on the postcard

[1:21:32] Trustee Patrick: or something just to say that these

[1:21:36] Voice 3: words are derived from these languages or something just so that there's that learning piece?

[1:21:43] Voice 3: It could

[1:21:44] Trustee Patrick: be tiny print,

[1:21:44] Voice 3: I don't think it matters, but it needs to connect.

[1:21:48] Voice 5: Yeah, I think it's a great point, and we could easily make that change, for sure.

[1:21:53] Voice 17: Something along the lines of historical name places.

[1:21:56] Voice 5: It just needs to say what they are.

[1:21:58] Voice 17: Historical place names.

[1:22:02] Voice 5: Okay, thank you for that comment.

[1:22:10] Voice 8: I don't understand the term gathers.

[1:22:13] Voice 8: I mean, when I say I don't understand, I know what we're trying to do.

[1:22:16] Voice 8: But if that is on the postcard, everything else makes sense to me.

[1:22:21] Voice 8: But suddenly this word gathers makes it look like it's part of the name of the town.

[1:22:27] Voice 8: And I can't tell you how to change that or what I think would be better.

[1:22:34] Voice 6: So

[1:22:35] Voice 8: information gathering, or I don't know what it would be, but just gathers, doesn't do it for me in a good way.

[1:22:41] Voice 8: Yeah,

[1:22:42] Voice 5: that's cool. Thank you for that comment. And the word gathers, it's kind of, it's a bit of a metaphor in some ways.

[1:22:48] Voice 5: It's this idea, and I've heard from the task force, the importance of bringing people together, both in terms of the process,

[1:22:54] Voice 5: creating that positive, constructive coming together and interaction.

[1:22:58] Voice 5: but then also that is ultimately what the village needs to be doing is to bring people together

[1:23:04] Voice 5: So it's a play on and then of course this idea of gathering and harvesting ideas

[1:23:09] Voice 5: You know linking back this idea of you know

[1:23:13] Voice 5: farm to table

[1:23:15] Voice 5: ocean to table

[1:23:17] Voice 5: So it's it's supposed to be kind of poetic

[1:23:20] Voice 5: It's not supposed to be super literal the idea is that the tagline one community made voices

[1:23:27] Voice 5: let's shape the future of our village together, becomes the call to action, the recognizable thing that invites people to participate.

[1:23:36] Voice 5: So it's kind of like, it's an identity of a positive vision.

[1:23:43] Voice 5: I mean, I will flag that it would be a pretty substantial change at this point,

[1:23:48] Voice 5: and so we would have to re-evaluate our timelines if we were to reopen the branding.

[1:23:55] Voice 5: But it is, I'm not sure if you have thoughts on how to resolve it, or is it...

[1:23:59] Voice 8: But I'm sorry, if it's at that stage, I wouldn't stir it up, I'd leave it, and I'd like to have the opportunity to comment earlier, but still, thank you. Let's leave it as it is.

[1:24:11] Voice 5: I appreciate your comment.

[1:24:14] Voice 8: Does

[1:24:15] Voice 18: the planner have some advice here?

[1:24:17] Voice 18: I

[1:24:17] Voice 4: was just wondering, I kind of understand what Trustee

[1:24:22] Voice 18: Brown was saying.

[1:24:26] Voice 4: would that change the whole process for you jennifer i didn't quite make out what you said

[1:24:40] Voice 4: there would be that apologize sorry i was just saying can we perhaps add the word community

[1:24:47] Voice 4: gathers or is that going to send you back to the drawing board to redesign you

[1:24:54] Voice 5: know i have

[1:24:54] Voice 5: i would have to speak to our hcma colleagues on that um okay

[1:24:59] Voice 18: so laura patrick has some more

[1:25:01] Voice 18: the

[1:25:02] Trustee Patrick: timeline that's more important is our community many voices let's shape the future so

[1:25:08] Trustee Patrick: i if that's there so i'm not worried about it i think the the ganges gathers it's a it is as you

[1:25:15] Trustee Patrick: said a poetic easy thing to say and your pictures on each of the posters make it clear the baskets

[1:25:21] Trustee Patrick: The baskets contain a whole variety of items

[1:25:24] Trustee Patrick: that relate to Gandy.

[1:25:26] Trustee Patrick: So I don't have a problem with it.

[1:25:29] Trustee Patrick: I think that it is an overall package

[1:25:31] Voice 3: of what we're saying and you're right.

[1:25:34] Voice 3: We repeated enough time.

[1:25:36] Voice 3: People will begin to understand it.

[1:25:39] Voice 7: So I

[1:25:41] Voice 19: think we're satisfied with that.

[1:25:43] Voice 19: And I sort of agree with Patrick there.

[1:25:47] Voice 19: If in fact, every time we are in an opportunity

[1:25:51] Voice 19: to speak to this, if we emphasize the fact that we're gathering the community together

[1:25:56] Voice 19: for this important conversation, that will help drive that message home.

[1:26:02] Voice 19: So, very good.

[1:26:04] Voice 19: Did you want to carry on with your presentation at this point?

[1:26:07] Voice 19: Sure,

[1:26:08] Voice 5: yes, and thank you for that good input.

[1:26:09] Voice 5: I think that will give us, that gives us some direction on how we can carry forward this

[1:26:15] Voice 5: messaging into the actual engagement materials and just making sure that we're connecting

[1:26:19] Voice 5: So I do appreciate the comments and will be very careful to ensure that we connect those

[1:26:29] Voice 5: dots with people.

[1:26:30] Voice 5: And

[1:26:31] Voice 19: Jennifer, if I might just also add on the Halk, Kaminem, and Sayo names there, I

[1:26:37] Voice 19: think it would be incredibly helpful for us to know that we're in that correct pronunciation.

[1:26:42] Voice 19: And if you have the opportunity to get an elder or a speaker in those communities to

[1:26:48] Voice 19: articulate that and and emphasize that in the most effective way um because i you know i'm fortunate

[1:26:56] Voice 19: and i've had small community training in my back in my past and and it's incredibly difficult to

[1:27:02] Voice 19: get the pronunciation right because it's all these your tongue needs to be at the root of your mouth

[1:27:06] Voice 19: and all this kind of stuff and

[1:27:08] Voice 18: um it's so important that the words historically be accurate and what

[1:27:12] Voice 8: is the right pronunciation for this yeah what is it not

[1:27:14] Voice 18: i'm not even going to try i

[1:27:17] Voice 8: thought you said

[1:27:18] Voice 8: no

[1:27:18] Voice 18: that was years ago i

[1:27:20] Voice 19: know a few things that's but that's just an additional comment

[1:27:25] Voice 19: thank you

[1:27:28] Voice 5: for that comment it's a good point we might be considering the in the materials to

[1:27:32] Voice 5: include that pronunciation so folks reading it can come to understand how to pronounce it in

[1:27:39] Voice 5: both languages that she's done in the whole community so thank you um so yeah so those

[1:27:45] Voice 5: So those are a couple of examples of promotional materials that we're using to bring the engagement to people's attention

[1:27:52] Voice 5: to hopefully get them excited and piquing their interest.

[1:27:54] Voice 5: Now for the actual engagement itself, there's another document. I don't know, Jordy, if you have that up yet.

[1:28:00] Voice 7: Yeah, the cover page is up there.

[1:28:02] Voice 5: Sorry?

[1:28:02] Voice 7: Yeah, it's up on the screen now.

[1:28:04] Voice 5: Good. Excellent. Okay, thank you.

[1:28:06] Voice 5: So it's the Community Engagement Activities Overview.

[1:28:10] Voice 5: So now we, you know, kind of the same way that we reached out and talked to the Gamble Village Planning Task Force, we did the same for this.

[1:28:19] Voice 5: We sought their input before we developed it, and then we circulated it after.

[1:28:25] Voice 5: We got some really great feedback, attended a meeting last week, and got some really great points that resulted in revising it somewhat.

[1:28:32] Voice 5: It builds on the existing public engagement plan, and it's also informed by some interviews we held with the Salt Springs Community Services frontline workers.

[1:28:44] Voice 5: We wanted to understand, there are folks on the island, equity-seeking groups, folks who might not normally participate in the process like this,

[1:28:53] Voice 5: how to engage so they can be involved in a way that's comfortable.

[1:28:59] Voice 5: And so we got some advice from them, and that's also reflected in this plan.

[1:29:03] Voice 5: So this, Celine's activity, this outline provides an overview of the engagement activities for the first round of the planning process.

[1:29:13] Voice 5: Its purpose is to launch the engagement process, to develop a vision and set of objectives for the plan, and just generally inform the area plan.

[1:29:21] Voice 5: And it was designed to align with Island Trust values of inclusion, respect, community voice, transparency, innovation, full and equitable evaluation.

[1:29:32] Voice 5: evaluation. So I think, Jordan, you can just dip right down to page six, where we start to see what the activities

[1:29:42] Voice 5: themselves are. One

[1:29:44] Voice 5: is the hard copy of the survey. So the nice thing about surveys, as you of course all know, is it allows us to cast the net broadly

[1:29:53] Voice 5: and allow people to participate. If they only have 10 minutes and they want to do it from the comfort of their home, they can do it.

[1:30:00] Voice 5: So this is something that we'll be launching kind of early on as part of the overall launch of the process.

[1:30:07] Voice 5: And something that will be important through this is to collect demographic information,

[1:30:11] Voice 5: asking questions about people's, you know, where they live, their gender, their identity, for example,

[1:30:17] Voice 5: are they homeowners, are they renters, are they year-round, are they seasonal, are they business owners?

[1:30:21] Voice 5: And then you can actually extract the feedback that people have provided based on their identity,

[1:30:26] Voice 5: and they give us a bit of a more of an insight into into what specific folks

[1:30:31] Voice 5: are saying what their specific priorities are. We also know that not

[1:30:35] Voice 5: everyone has access to online so we're also going to be creating a paper

[1:30:41] Voice 5: version that will be left at a yet to be determined location that people can

[1:30:46] Voice 5: pick up and then either mail in or drop off. We find normally very few people

[1:30:51] Voice 5: select this option but occasionally we find seniors or folks who don't have access to

[1:30:55] Voice 5: internet or computer do you do this so that would be kind of the first thing

[1:31:00] Voice 5: that we'll be looking at doing next next one please

[1:31:03] Voice 5: uh jordy uh that would be followed by community organization

[1:31:07] Voice 5: virtual workshops so we know that there are some folks

[1:31:10] Voice 5: some groups and organizations with agencies

[1:31:13] Voice 5: who have a specific interest or knowledge or a two-team

[1:31:17] Voice 5: or even an influence or jurisdiction with the topics that relates to the

[1:31:20] Voice 5: planning process so we're proposing to host four different

[1:31:24] Voice 5: sessions each having a different sort of topic one being community services

[1:31:29] Voice 5: housing the other conservation economic development business and other arts

[1:31:35] Voice 5: culture and recreation and we can fighting community organizations to

[1:31:39] Voice 5: participate in these sessions these virtual sessions we're also setting

[1:31:43] Voice 5: aside resources to meet specifically with government agencies not covered

[1:31:47] Voice 5: within these categories so and I just I want to pause and make a timeline here

[1:31:52] Voice 5: you can see that we're proposing this take place on November 22nd 23rd there's

[1:31:57] Voice 5: a lot happening with this process we've talked with staff about maybe moving

[1:32:03] Voice 5: some of these activities you know into the new year into December so we're

[1:32:07] Voice 5: thinking this might be one of those but this gives you a sense of the activities

[1:32:11] Voice 5: that's followed by next slide please Jordi in school engagements we know that

[1:32:16] Voice 5: youth are often underrepresented in processes like this so we have the

[1:32:21] Voice 5: We have the contacts for Yulwaddle Secondary, Salt Spring, Island Middle, Salt Spring Elementary, Phoenix Elementary, Burnwood Elementary, and our plan is to reach out to the principal's administration there to understand whether we might be able to come to do some engagement in person.

[1:32:43] Voice 5: If not, we can also do this virtually. We've experienced doing both, and this is a way to tap into the insights.

[1:32:49] Voice 5: and folks and we have a captive audience as well and then that

[1:32:59] Voice 5: and then another

[1:33:00] Voice 5: activity that we have planned is pop-up engagement and so the idea here is that it's not

[1:33:05] Voice 5: necessarily an activity where people will you know take it upon themselves to

[1:33:10] Voice 5: come to it's us coming to them going to where they conduct their daily lives so

[1:33:14] Voice 5: we'll have like an interactive station a table with materials that people can

[1:33:20] Voice 5: interact with provide their input and the task force gave us some great suggestions on good

[1:33:25] Voice 5: activity or good locations for this so 50s parents place seniors living the laundromat which might

[1:33:31] Voice 5: capture boats or renters for example or not have laundry facilities at home salt spring island

[1:33:37] Voice 5: public library a rec center and maybe one or two other high traffic outdoor locations the idea is

[1:33:43] Voice 5: that we would it would be a mobile interactive station so we'd be staffing it would be moving

[1:33:47] Voice 5: around the community to kind of capture the input of passersby, folks who only have 30 minutes to weigh in.

[1:33:53] Voice 5: And we want to do this leading up to some of the engagement activities to promote engagement activities for people who want to provide more time and more input.

[1:34:02] Voice 5: Next slide please, Dorit. When we spoke with Salt Spring Community Services, they recommended we do an outward focus group, bring coffee and pastries one morning, for example,

[1:34:11] Voice 5: sit in a circle, and speak with them about their own experiences and insights about Yannick's village.

[1:34:19] Voice 5: And so that's something that we're kind of in the process of arranging with Salt Spring Community Services.

[1:34:26] Voice 5: We expect to do that later in November.

[1:34:30] Voice 5: And then there's kind of the keystone event, which is the Community Ideas Fair.

[1:34:34] Voice 5: And, Jordi, this is on the next slide.

[1:34:36] Voice 5: This is supposed to be a fun in-person event for all ages that has kind of a fair-life atmosphere.

[1:34:42] Voice 5: We have different stations, things ranging from interactive mapping to design activities,

[1:34:48] Voice 5: to big idea trainings, children's activities.

[1:34:51] Voice 5: And the idea

[1:34:52] Voice 5: is that folks who are really keen and want to spend some time really talking about Yonge's Village

[1:34:57] Voice 5: have the opportunity to do so and to bring their families in to do this.

[1:35:01] Voice 5: And so we're looking at doing this in late November, hopefully.

[1:35:05] Voice 5: And then finally, there is for this component of the process are so some people might not feel comfortable looking to decode it to come to the ideas fair.

[1:35:17] Voice 5: Some people just might feel more comfortable walking and talking.

[1:35:21] Voice 5: But these are intended to provide opportunities to walk around the village.

[1:35:26] Voice 5: And as they do that, to share their insights and observations about that kind of institute about the village.

[1:35:34] Voice 5: And so right now, we're looking at having two or three sessions where folks can register, sign up, and then that would happen the day after the Ideas Fair.

[1:35:45] Voice 5: We're also building, and we'll be speaking with Lisa to see if there is a knowledge keeper who might be interested in leading one of these workshops to provide sort of an educational opportunity for people to see the place from a different perspective and understand the history.

[1:36:02] Voice 5: And so it's more, other than providing input, it might be more of a learning workshop for

[1:36:07] Voice 5: folks who are interested.

[1:36:09] Voice 5: And so those are all the activities we're looking at rolling out as part of this first

[1:36:13] Voice 5: round.

[1:36:14] Voice 5: If you could go to the next slide, please, Jordy.

[1:36:16] Voice 5: Once we receive all that rich input, we will compile it all, we'll synthesize it, we'll

[1:36:22] Voice 5: do that process, we'll come to understand what some of the, you know, visions, hopes,

[1:36:26] Voice 5: priorities are, and issues are in the community.

[1:36:29] Voice 5: And then we would take that information and we would roll up our sleeves and there would

[1:36:34] Voice 5: be a community design workshop later in the process, where we can

[1:36:38] Voice 5: start to think about

[1:36:40] Voice 5: what this means for the actual planning and design of South.

[1:36:46] Voice 5: And so that, again, we've got listed here in December, but we're realizing internally

[1:36:50] Voice 5: that's likely going to be too rushed, so that's going to happen probably later in the year.

[1:36:57] Voice 5: And those details are forthcoming.

[1:36:58] Voice 5: We'll see how the engagement goes through this first round, and then we'll be able to

[1:37:04] Voice 5: craft a plan that really responds to the successes of some of the opportunity areas that emerged

[1:37:10] Voice 5: through the first round of engagement.

[1:37:12] Voice 5: So those are good tidbits in a nutshell.

[1:37:16] Voice 5: Again, I'll just pause and open it up for comments, questions.

[1:37:35] Voice 8: We

[1:37:37] Voice 5: have tentatively scheduled that for the 27th of November, but we can move it back

[1:37:46] Voice 5: if necessary, by a week or so, or even more, we would like to do it this year, obviously,

[1:37:53] Voice 5: and avoid, but also avoid the holiday season.

[1:37:57] Voice 5: So we're ready to roll out all the promotional material

[1:38:00] Voice 5: to alert people to this event happening.

[1:38:06] Voice 16: So you're

[1:38:07] Voice 5: not talking about

[1:38:08] Voice 16: next year, right?

[1:38:09] Voice 8: You're talking about this 27th?

[1:38:12] Voice 5: Yes, November 27th.

[1:38:14] Voice 8: Well, that's remarkable, you can do that.

[1:38:17] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:38:22] Voice 17: Laura, Patrick, anything?

[1:38:24] Trustee Patrick: Oh no, thank you, and I was sitting and listening

[1:38:28] Trustee Patrick: and you were speaking to the Ganges Village Task Force

[1:38:31] Trustee Patrick: earlier this week, so I do appreciate it.

[1:38:34] Trustee Patrick: The one thing I think you've caught an awful lot,

[1:38:41] Trustee Patrick: and I appreciate the interest.

[1:38:43] Trustee Patrick: I think the business piece, I saw the postcard.

[1:38:49] Trustee Patrick: I think just be aware, it sort of fell off on page seven,

[1:38:54] Trustee Patrick: where you talked about targeted participants.

[1:38:56] Trustee Patrick: since we don't mention businesses.

[1:38:59] Trustee Patrick: So I would make sure that we're very, very much emphasizing

[1:39:04] Trustee Patrick: our interest in that place.

[1:39:06] Trustee Patrick: And it's a broader place because village,

[1:39:08] Trustee Patrick: as we say, the village gathers,

[1:39:10] Trustee Patrick: or Ganges gathers, and we have a Saturday market.

[1:39:12] Trustee Patrick: And

[1:39:12] Voice 3: that

[1:39:13] Trustee Patrick: is our place where agribusiness,

[1:39:15] Trustee Patrick: everybody comes together to sell their wares,

[1:39:19] Trustee Patrick: not just the brick and mortars that we have in the village.

[1:39:22] Trustee Patrick: So it is a wide cast of interested people.

[1:39:29] Voice 3: And there will be very different perspectives between the brick-and-mortar businesses

[1:39:33] Voice 3: and the transient businesses that come into the markets of their needs

[1:39:38] Trustee Patrick: and wants in the community or divisions.

[1:39:42] Trustee Patrick: One thing I'm sure you probably haven't, it's not probably at this level of detail,

[1:39:47] Trustee Patrick: but it would be good to make sure that we have considered your audience

[1:39:51] Trustee Patrick: stakeholders against all the tactics to make sure somebody didn't fall

[1:39:55] Trustee Patrick: through the cracks. I think you've got a great list of tactics in here, but I

[1:40:00] Trustee Patrick: think just making sure that matrix check has been done. If it sounds good,

[1:40:07] Trustee Patrick: it would be nice to just see that picture to make sure that there wasn't a hole

[1:40:10] Trustee Patrick: somewhere. I can't say I'm seeing one but I'm not looking at the data. And I

[1:40:21] Trustee Patrick: think the other piece is, you know, and I did hear the group talk about what's the

[1:40:27] Trustee Patrick: target for success, you know, we want to try to get as many people involved so we

[1:40:31] Trustee Patrick: do need to have some sort of indication or target or goal for what good looks

[1:40:36] Trustee Patrick: looks like how much engagement is that so that we feel some confidence that we did um you know

[1:40:44] Trustee Patrick: hear from enough people um that we can feel good about going

[1:40:49] Voice 3: forward and

[1:40:51] Trustee Patrick: the final piece is uh you

[1:40:53] Trustee Patrick: know the trustee is sitting here in front of the table there's a lot going on and i know we

[1:40:57] Trustee Patrick: we do like to hover in the background and be there and listen and uh and so we want to make

[1:41:03] Trustee Patrick: sure that we're not falling through the cracks and not being invited um so that we have that

[1:41:07] Trustee Patrick: opportunity to be there and um because uh what we hear helps you know you may hear something

[1:41:14] Trustee Patrick: differently than what we hear um as well or staff and so forth so um that's i think my main comment

[1:41:23] Trustee Patrick: so thank you thank you i think that this is exciting i think the village needs this um

[1:41:27] Trustee Patrick: You know, it's a place of, it's a time of healing.

[1:41:30] Trustee Patrick: There's a lot of black in the world right now, and I want this to be fun.

[1:41:39] Trustee Patrick: And, you know, you do need to be aware that that black is going to show up in people.

[1:41:45] Trustee Patrick: But, you know, there's not much we can do about that.

[1:41:49] Trustee Patrick: And you need to be prepared, and staff, everyone needs to be prepared to answer.

[1:41:54] Trustee Patrick: they're they're telling some big questions because everyone's focused on the federation's work for

[1:41:59] Trustee Patrick: the trust policy statement and it's grown into this urban myth of what it's going to do um and

[1:42:09] Trustee Patrick: so people are going to have that baggage when they come into any of these events of you know

[1:42:15] Trustee Patrick: so we need to be able to answer that you know this is different this is ganges this is you know

[1:42:20] Trustee Patrick: So we may be in a position where we can help inform the trust policy statement

[1:42:27] Trustee Patrick: by what we hear and learn from this process with regard to the built environment.

[1:42:33] Trustee Patrick: But you do need to be prepared because there will be some anger

[1:42:40] Trustee Patrick: or misunderstandings of the different levels of PDR in the IMIN's trust.

[1:42:46] Voice 8: One quick question.

[1:42:48] Voice 8: We're on your slide number six, evaluation and reporting out.

[1:42:50] Voice 8: I didn't see it the target date for that

[1:42:56] Voice 5: question so the evaluation will be

[1:43:00] Voice 5: happening on a rolling basis we'll have the online survey survey so be

[1:43:05] Voice 5: collecting that information as we go so we can fine-tune the engagement for

[1:43:10] Voice 5: example if we find out that we're missing certain demographics or age

[1:43:13] Voice 5: groups or you know whether they be seniors or youth for example and we can

[1:43:17] Voice 5: target them later on so that'll be happening on a rolling basis our plan

[1:43:21] Voice 5: was to in terms of the reporting up to yourselves and others after this first

[1:43:26] Voice 5: leg of engagement happening now as I mentioned looking at maybe extending it

[1:43:31] Voice 5: into January that

[1:43:32] Voice 1: we'd be in

[1:43:32] Voice 5: a position to provide that to you later in January

[1:43:35] Voice 5: and February not just what we

[1:43:40] Voice 5: heard but also how like who we reached and to the

[1:43:45] Voice 5: other trustees earlier comment trustee Patrick about just you know how many

[1:43:51] Voice 5: and people didn't what percentage of the population you can reach is it representative in terms of you

[1:43:56] Voice 5: know homeowners and renters is it representative in terms of gender in terms of age that sort of

[1:44:01] Voice 5: thing so we'll be reporting that out to you in uh in wintertime 2022.

[1:44:07] Voice 18: good thank

[1:44:08] Voice 19: you okay thank you

[1:44:09] Voice 19: so i'm conscious of my own timeline here um and we'll be going into an example second quote um but

[1:44:18] Voice 19: but I just want to make two remarks,

[1:44:21] Voice 19: following up on some of the,

[1:44:23] Voice 19: I think the challenge here is to maintain

[1:44:28] Voice 18: the notion of visioning.

[1:44:30] Voice 19: This is about

[1:44:30] Voice 18: the visioning exercise in your community,

[1:44:34] Voice 18: and quite honestly, this is very, very, very exciting,

[1:44:37] Voice 19: and certainly there are other things

[1:44:38] Voice 19: on the political landscape,

[1:44:40] Voice 19: and the challenge will be to maintain that vision

[1:44:43] Voice 19: and the joy of the village in the future,

[1:44:45] Voice 19: keep that focus, and whatever happens politically,

[1:44:49] Voice 19: politically will be something else, but we're wanting to do some visioning here.

[1:44:54] Voice 19: And quite honestly, also from Derek Petrick's comments, I'm wondering about my own time

[1:44:59] Voice 19: schedule and how I can participate in some of these events, because quite honestly, I

[1:45:03] Voice 19: think it'll be very exciting.

[1:45:04] Voice 19: And I'm quite interested in your question asked about engaging in First Nations elder,

[1:45:11] Voice 19: because when you look into the past, there's such rich opportunities for awareness

[1:45:19] Voice 19: of building that I've been fortunate in my own community to experience and it's an amazing

[1:45:26] Voice 19: opportunity to go in every community to experience that history from somebody that is connected to it

[1:45:33] Voice 19: and able to point out things in your places in your communities that exist since the beginning

[1:45:40] Voice 19: of time. So Jennifer do you have any closing remarks that they can make? I don't want to cut

[1:45:46] Voice 19: you off but at the same time i want to thank you

[1:45:53] Voice 5: for your really great comments and we'll um i've

[1:45:59] Voice 5: taken notes so there are a few i know there are a few things we'll be adjusting and incorporating

[1:46:03] Voice 5: based on your feedback so thank you so much for that and hope to meet all of you in person

[1:46:09] Voice 5: november december thank you um

[1:46:15] Voice 4: yeah so we're out to this uh public engagement

[1:46:19] Voice 4: The task force is actually requesting to have a two to three days workshop on down.

[1:46:27] Voice 4: And so what we would like to offer is a two-day based on our resources and our constraints.

[1:46:36] Voice 4: So if something with the LTC will support the workshop of the GANCHES task force,

[1:46:44] Voice 4: And what they will do is take all the information from them and then they will

[1:46:49] Voice 4: policy and design it for us.

[1:46:55] Voice 18: Okay, so we'll discuss that at a future meeting.

[1:46:57] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:46:58] Voice 13: Okay, thank you for

[1:47:00] Voice 18: joining us today, Jennifer.

[1:47:03] Voice 19: And thank you, Planner Darbo and Planner Gordon.

[1:47:07] Voice 19: And we're going to go in camera, so I have to do the placement of the cameras up over here.

[1:47:10] Voice 19: Not so quick.

[1:47:14] Voice 8: I will move Salton Island Local Trust Committee to close this meeting to the public,

[1:47:18] Voice 8: subject to community charter section

[1:47:20] Voice 8: 91 and I

[1:47:23] Voice 8: fogged up.

[1:47:26] Voice 8: G, litigation or

[1:47:27] Trustee Patrick: potential litigation affecting this

[1:47:29] Trustee Patrick: municipality and that staff be invited

[1:47:31] Trustee Patrick: to remain.

[1:47:34] Voice 19: I have a motion to close

[1:47:37] Voice 19: the meeting. That's moved. Seconded?

[1:47:39] Voice 19: No. Seconded.

[1:47:40] Voice 19: And I'll call for the vote. All those in

[1:47:43] Voice 19: favor? Right. And

[1:47:45] Voice 19: thank everybody. We will be

[1:47:47] Voice 19: attempting to return here at noon

[1:47:48] Voice 19: and so we're just going to pause for a few minutes

[1:47:51] Voice 19: and then we will go in camera okay welcome back everybody um and thank you to members of the

[1:47:57] Voice 19: public for joining us and thank you to our audience that's uh online uh possibly doing

[1:48:02] Voice 19: the streaming or recordings um later on my name is uh peter luckham i'm elected on fetus island

[1:48:08] Voice 19: but i am your uh i'm chair of trust council and i'm chair of your local trust committee

[1:48:13] Voice 19: and uh i mentioned earlier this is the second time in the last 18 or 19 months that i've had

[1:48:19] Voice 19: the opportunity to come back to Salt Spring and it's a real pleasure for me

[1:48:22] Voice 19: to be back in your community and enjoy this space, your village, your bus

[1:48:28] Voice 19: transportation and ferry system. It's all really great to be here. And with

[1:48:34] Voice 19: that I also say it's also great to be here on Coast Salish Territory of the

[1:48:38] Voice 19: nations that this has also been their historic home since the beginning of

[1:48:42] Voice 19: of time, and it's an amazing opportunity

[1:48:46] Voice 19: to learn about this place and observe

[1:48:49] Voice 19: the rich culture and history that is here for us

[1:48:52] Voice 19: to enjoy and observe.

[1:48:56] Voice 19: I'm grateful for that.

[1:48:58] Voice 19: So with me today, on my immediate left here,

[1:49:03] Voice 19: we actually have Director Gary Holman, the regional director.

[1:49:05] Voice 19: Thank you for joining us today, Gary.

[1:49:07] Voice 19: And we have Peter Grove, local elected trustee, Laura Patrick,

[1:49:11] Voice 19: local elected trustee and now we've got our minute taker Sarah Sugar at the

[1:49:15] Voice 19: table here with us and regional planning manager Stefan Cermak and a number of

[1:49:20] Voice 19: other staff throughout the room and you're all very important but I'm not

[1:49:25] Voice 19: going to list you one by one thank you for being here and the support that you

[1:49:30] Voice 19: provide this local trust committee in doing its work so this is our we had a

[1:49:36] Voice 19: closed meeting just before we finished the morning session where we did

[1:49:40] Voice 19: predominantly administrative work and we in that closed session we adopted the

[1:49:46] Voice 19: minutes of the previous closed session and otherwise nothing further to rise

[1:49:51] Voice 19: and report from that meeting so on this afternoon's agenda we have trustee

[1:49:58] Voice 19: directors and chairs reports correspondence and delegations and

[1:50:03] Voice 19: applications we didn't defer two items from this morning's agenda at seven

[1:50:08] Voice 19: 7.9 and 8.2, both to do with housing projects and housing actions, in order to hear a delegation

[1:50:17] Voice 19: today, and also to provide a greater opportunity for the public to see and hear what's going on

[1:50:26] Voice 19: with respect to a very important topic to you, I know, about housing, and important to this

[1:50:31] Voice 19: local Trust Committee and Gary Holman as well and so let us begin and we're gonna

[1:50:39] Voice 19: go to trustee reports and I'll turn to the trustee to see who's going to go

[1:50:41] Voice 19: first Laura Patrick is the indication so

[1:50:45] Trustee Patrick: UN climate change conference is going on

[1:50:51] Trustee Patrick: right now in Glasgow it wraps up later this week the theme uniting the world to

[1:50:56] Trustee Patrick: tackle climate change our individual choices we make do matter it's really

[1:51:02] Trustee Patrick: important but systemic change is needed and a key goal of COP26 is to

[1:51:07] Trustee Patrick: accelerate action to tackle climate crisis through collaboration between

[1:51:11] Trustee Patrick: governments businesses and civil society we know that housing climate change

[1:51:19] Trustee Patrick: equity these are all related and what this means to me is that the best

[1:51:25] Trustee Patrick: solutions are those that that solve many of the challenges that we have

[1:51:32] Trustee Patrick: simultaneously and that's important I believe we've been trying here with our

[1:51:41] Trustee Patrick: local planning initiatives to work with Islanders to seek these integrated

[1:51:45] Trustee Patrick: solutions the Ganges village and housing task force both both consisting of

[1:51:51] Trustee Patrick: really hard-working volunteers and we have the public engagement with Ganges

[1:51:56] Trustee Patrick: village which is set to begin very soon this is about how our village is going

[1:52:01] Trustee Patrick: to look into the future taking in account climate change housing equity all of those your voice

[1:52:08] Trustee Patrick: matters please participate and help shape the future of the village our planning staff are

[1:52:19] Trustee Patrick: going to be making themselves available at the library to hear your ideas for increasing the

[1:52:23] Trustee Patrick: quality and quantity of housing options coupled with a high level of protection of the islands

[1:52:28] Trustee Patrick: of biodiversity and freshwater marine and forest resources.

[1:52:32] Trustee Patrick: I encourage people to take the time and meet with the planners

[1:52:35] Trustee Patrick: and brainstorm those ideas.

[1:52:41] Trustee Patrick: We recently received the results of the science working group

[1:52:45] Trustee Patrick: who took a deep dive into what we know about the island's ecosystems.

[1:52:51] Trustee Patrick: And they took a holistic approach and layered information

[1:52:54] Trustee Patrick: such as fire risk, water recharge, contiguous forest, big trees,

[1:52:58] Trustee Patrick: the LIDAR, and so much more.

[1:52:59] Trustee Patrick: more. Wildfire resiliency and watershed protection appear to be key candidates for our focused

[1:53:06] Trustee Patrick: efforts. And I encourage more people to reach out to the Salt Spring Fire Department and

[1:53:12] Trustee Patrick: the Salt Spring Conservancy to find out what they can do in their own yard and neighborhood

[1:53:17] Trustee Patrick: to reduce the risk to wildfire. On the Islands Trust Federation level, there is still considerable

[1:53:25] Trustee Patrick: honorable interest in the trust policy statement. The early draft is still circulating and continuing

[1:53:30] Trustee Patrick: to garner a lot of attention. I can tell you that I have set it aside. What matters to me

[1:53:36] Trustee Patrick: is the upcoming public engagement. I don't know when it's going to begin. They're just

[1:53:43] Trustee Patrick: finding they're in the contracting stages, but realistically, I don't expect it to begin

[1:53:48] Trustee Patrick: to the new year. Let's work together to come to a shared understanding and arrive at a

[1:53:53] Trustee Patrick: set of policies for the broader common good. Now, what have I been up to besides that?

[1:54:00] Trustee Patrick: Housing, housing, housing. Adam Olson, Gary Holman, Peter Grove, and I met with David

[1:54:07] Trustee Patrick: Eby, Attorney General and Minister responsible for housing. We expressed our concerns over

[1:54:12] Trustee Patrick: the lack of housing for workforce and for the homeless, and the province is committed

[1:54:17] Trustee Patrick: to developing supported housing and seeking funding, and we will continue to rattle the

[1:54:23] Trustee Patrick: the ears of ministers at every opportunity we can.

[1:54:27] Trustee Patrick: A UBCM committee, which did have

[1:54:30] Trustee Patrick: Island Trust representation on it,

[1:54:32] Trustee Patrick: issued a report called Priorities for Action

[1:54:35] Trustee Patrick: for Short-Term Rentals.

[1:54:37] Trustee Patrick: I'll provide a link, but that report is out there.

[1:54:40] Trustee Patrick: I encourage it, it just got released

[1:54:41] Trustee Patrick: hot off the press this week.

[1:54:42] Trustee Patrick: It was written in June, but they just publicly

[1:54:44] Trustee Patrick: released it this week.

[1:54:47] Trustee Patrick: It shows that Salt Spring is not alone

[1:54:49] Trustee Patrick: in the struggle to regulate and enforce

[1:54:51] Trustee Patrick: short-term vacation rentals.

[1:54:54] Trustee Patrick: And it outlines the number of impacts that the short-term vacation rentals are having,

[1:55:00] Trustee Patrick: housing availability, it's reducing the long-term rental housing units, housing affordability,

[1:55:06] Trustee Patrick: revenue from short-term vacation rentals are driving up the purchase price of homes,

[1:55:10] Trustee Patrick: land use, residential use properties are being converted to commercial use despite what we have

[1:55:16] Trustee Patrick: for land use policies, public impact through complaints and noise, etc. And then local

[1:55:23] Trustee Patrick: government capacity again we're not alone regulating enforcing short-term

[1:55:27] Trustee Patrick: vacation rentals is a really significant problem so the most significant request

[1:55:34] Trustee Patrick: of being made in this report is for regional districts to be given the

[1:55:39] Trustee Patrick: authority to issue business licenses this is important to salt spring local

[1:55:43] Trustee Patrick: trust committee along with several the other southern gulf islands who have

[1:55:47] Trustee Patrick: requested the CRD to consider this tool in helping management short-term

[1:55:51] Trustee Patrick: vacation rentals and i believe crd is in the process of preparing a report

[1:55:55] Trustee Patrick: on this option so we'll be hearing more about that soon so last month i uh i sponsored a

[1:56:02] Trustee Patrick: resolution asking the lcc to consider supporting the development of a housing council type entity

[1:56:06] Trustee Patrick: here on salt spring gabriela island is making the same request and there's opportunities to

[1:56:12] Trustee Patrick: share costs and resources in exploring this option both the ganji village and housing action

[1:56:17] Trustee Patrick: task forces are important to exploring and developing housing options that also

[1:56:22] Trustee Patrick: reduce impacts on environment and I'm really so grateful for the people on

[1:56:30] Trustee Patrick: this island that are dedicating their time and effort to to those groups I met

[1:56:36] Trustee Patrick: with some residents who are concerned with the development on clamshell island

[1:56:39] Trustee Patrick: islet in Long Harbor I was shocked to learn that many of these tiny little

[1:56:45] Trustee Patrick: Little islets have legacy zoning

[1:56:47] Trustee Patrick: that allows residential development.

[1:56:50] Trustee Patrick: These islets have special habitat

[1:56:52] Trustee Patrick: and high occurrence of protected plant species

[1:56:54] Trustee Patrick: due to the lack of deer browsing.

[1:56:56] Trustee Patrick: And it just blows my mind

[1:56:58] Trustee Patrick: that they're sitting there unprotected today.

[1:57:02] Trustee Patrick: I chaired a number of meetings with Saturna, South Pender

[1:57:06] Trustee Patrick: and North Pender local trust committees.

[1:57:09] Trustee Patrick: I attended another meeting

[1:57:10] Trustee Patrick: of the Salish Sea Network Trail meeting,

[1:57:13] Trustee Patrick: meeting, a trail that they're working on, and I participated in Trust Council standing

[1:57:20] Trustee Patrick: committees for financial planning and regional planning and executives, so I continue to

[1:57:27] Trustee Patrick: go to a lot of meetings.

[1:57:30] Trustee Patrick: That's my report.

[1:57:31] Voice 19: Thank you, Laura Patrick.

[1:57:34] Voice 19: Peter Groh.

[1:57:36] Voice 8: Thanks, Laura, and you know, there's so much going on right now, I guess there is generally

[1:57:43] Voice 8: so much going on, but in terms of what our responsibilities are as the Islands Trust,

[1:57:49] Voice 8: which is land use planning, and that's all we are responsible for, nevertheless, the

[1:57:55] Voice 8: issues which face us all trickle down to land use planning, climate issues, of course,

[1:58:03] Voice 8: housing, water, and just to underline all of that, and not that it affects the idea

[1:58:12] Voice 8: of Yandhi's planning, but the COVID restrictions of course are challenging all of us and making

[1:58:17] Voice 8: life more difficult, making the demands on our staff and our community just unbearable at times

[1:58:28] Voice 8: and people having a real time struggle with it. I've attended with Laura a number of these

[1:58:35] Voice 8: meetings but um i have in particular the housing action group the dandy's village um group um the

[1:58:44] Voice 8: advisory planning committee the minister the meeting with minister as laura pointed out

[1:58:51] Voice 8: um the coastal douglas first science group um and uh everyone has these issues center up in

[1:59:00] Voice 8: their minds is there a magic solution to these problems no there isn't um is there a magic bullet

[1:59:07] Voice 8: no there isn't so but every little bit that we can do will help and uh but what i hope that

[1:59:15] Voice 8: i i get the impression that sitting in the community you think that the islands trust

[1:59:21] Voice 8: can fix these things overnight by making some changes to their to the uh their legislation

[1:59:27] Voice 8: but it simply is not the case it's going to take a long time before we can look

[1:59:35] Voice 8: at ourselves and think you know that is a well balanced community it's going to

[1:59:40] Voice 8: take time and we all need to work together on this thank you very

[1:59:45] Voice 19: good

[1:59:46] Voice 19: thank you very much so as the chair of the local trust committee I've already

[1:59:53] Voice 19: reflected that I'm so happy to be back in your community a lot of my work

[1:59:58] Voice 19: entails

[2:00:00] Voice 19: correspondence with community members and associations and organizations and

[2:00:03] Voice 19: organizing the meetings and all that sort of stuff but also my work across

[2:00:08] Voice 19: the Federation we are preparing for our next trust council meeting which is

[2:00:15] Voice 19: going to be November the 30th through to November the second and that will be our

[2:00:26] Voice 19: early council's opportunity to look at the draft which were also financial plan

[2:00:31] Voice 19: draft which we're drafting for March and we'll be going out to public consultation

[2:00:36] Voice 19: to ask for your input on that shortly and that takes up a bulk of the work

[2:00:42] Voice 19: I've been engaged I sit on the select committee for the governance and

[2:00:46] Voice 19: management review it's been a couple of those meetings not much actually really

[2:00:50] Voice 19: going on at that meeting level because the work is in the hands of the

[2:00:55] Voice 19: consultants and the consultants have been interviewing trustees and have been

[2:00:59] Voice 19: reaching out to a select group of other agencies that can inform the process and

[2:01:07] Voice 19: we expect that report to come to us in March at Council and the consultants

[2:01:16] Voice 19: provide updates on how the collection of information is going to determine what

[2:01:25] Voice 19: what actions or suggestions or recommendations

[2:01:27] Voice 19: might come forward, but it's a work in progress

[2:01:29] Voice 19: and I am hopeful that there will be some recommendations

[2:01:34] Voice 19: to assist us in doing a better job

[2:01:37] Voice 19: of our preserve and protect mandate

[2:01:38] Voice 19: and indeed a better job of serving each of our communities,

[2:01:42] Voice 19: including Salt Spring.

[2:01:43] Voice 19: I think we're all aware of some of the difficulties

[2:01:47] Voice 19: and ideally if we can find ways to improve the situation,

[2:01:50] Voice 19: I think that would be fantastic

[2:01:51] Voice 19: and I am hopeful that that's what will come from that work.

[2:01:55] Voice 19: Um, just reviewing my calendar here. I think, well, I did participate. Actually, I should mention that. I mentioned it earlier on when we were talking about wildfire. I attended a Pacific climate region initiative of whose focus was wildfire building community resilience.

[2:02:17] Voice 19: millions. And it's a complex topic. It's also actually, coincidentally, a conversation going

[2:02:24] Voice 19: on at the provincial level associated with forestry. Also a very complex topic of which

[2:02:30] Voice 19: wildfire and fuel on the ground and forestry management is key to all of it. And I think

[2:02:37] Voice 19: we're all learning as we go that as the climate changes, there are new perils, risks to species

[2:02:44] Voice 19: species of risk and environment, which of course is our core concern, and we'll be reflecting

[2:02:50] Voice 19: on that for sure for years to come, and we will continue to do the best we can.

[2:02:56] Voice 19: So I think that's it from me, I'm going to go now to Regional Director Gary Holman.

[2:03:02] Voice 19: It's so nice to see you in person, I've said to everybody here, it's so nice to see you

[2:03:06] Voice 19: in person, three dimensions, it's really great actually to be here with all of you as well.

[2:03:11] Voice 19: so over to you Gary for your report thanks

[2:03:15] Voice 1: Peter and thanks to the local trust committee for

[2:03:18] Voice 1: letting me participate in these town halls I'll try to speak up I've got a fairly soft voice and

[2:03:25] Voice 1: this mask doesn't make things easier so I'll try to be brief but the CRD

[2:03:30] Voice 1: board just approved the provisional budget CRD budget for 2022 so that was approved October

[2:03:41] Voice 1: 27th the final budget is not approved until March of next year so there there

[2:03:48] Voice 1: still are there still is the potential for possible amendments to that budget

[2:03:52] Voice 1: depending on feedback from the public basically there will be an ask session I

[2:04:00] Voice 1: think most people are aware of the ask group ASK at the library 11 o'clock this

[2:04:06] Voice 1: Friday and I'll be presenting that budget in more detail and if folks have

[2:04:11] Voice 1: questions I'll be

[2:04:13] Voice 1: available for Q&A at that meeting. The preliminary or sorry

[2:04:20] Voice 1: the provisional budget increase is the order of 3.25 percent at this point in

[2:04:26] Voice 1: time that can be revised there there may be some additional shoes dropping for

[2:04:35] Voice 1: for the budget particularly at the regional level in fact we will be going to voters within the crd

[2:04:43] Voice 1: to increase the funding for our climate action service within the crd and so that is going to

[2:04:50] Voice 1: require um it's a consent process so municipal councils and electoral area directors have to

[2:04:59] Voice 1: consent to that increase it's a substantial increase so crd can play a more prominent

[2:05:04] Voice 1: role and in climate actions in in the region I support that I've already sent

[2:05:10] Voice 1: my consent letter so that will be in addition to the budget I'm not entirely

[2:05:15] Voice 1: clear what that that might mean another quarter to half percent increase in the

[2:05:20] Voice 1: in the budget Salt Springs shared that regional budget we are the middle school

[2:05:30] Voice 1: the CRD is negotiating a five-year lease

[2:05:34] Voice 1: with school district to take over the middle school

[2:05:37] Voice 1: on Salt Spring, which is an incredible opportunity

[2:05:40] Voice 1: for the community, for various nonprofits,

[2:05:43] Voice 1: but also service providers.

[2:05:45] Voice 1: So right now our emergency program will be located

[2:05:50] Voice 1: in the middle school.

[2:05:53] Voice 1: For example, if we can negotiate a longer term tenure

[2:05:59] Voice 1: tenure with the school district.

[2:06:00] Voice 1: It even offers the possibility of co-locating

[2:06:03] Voice 1: local government offices there.

[2:06:05] Voice 1: So there are three local government offices on Salt Spring.

[2:06:08] Voice 1: The trust office in the hydro building, so-called,

[2:06:13] Voice 1: and there are two separate CRD offices,

[2:06:16] Voice 1: all of which are paying commercial rent.

[2:06:18] Voice 1: And so the school district longer term,

[2:06:20] Voice 1: if we can arrange longer term tenure,

[2:06:23] Voice 1: right now the school district is only willing

[2:06:24] Voice 1: to consider a five-year term.

[2:06:27] Voice 1: we may be able to eventually co-locate our local government offices there.

[2:06:34] Voice 1: There will be an open house at the middle school.

[2:06:37] Voice 1: Dan Ovington, our park manager, is the person coordinating that project.

[2:06:42] Voice 1: On December 3rd, 10 a.m. to 1 p.m.,

[2:06:45] Voice 1: there will be a viewing of the facility at the middle school

[2:06:50] Voice 1: for NGOs, other organizations interested in renting space,

[2:06:56] Voice 1: and then there will be an express,

[2:06:59] Voice 1: there'll be a call for expressions of interest

[2:07:02] Voice 1: after that open house,

[2:07:04] Voice 1: so organizations can make a proposal to this year.

[2:07:09] Voice 1: There will be a rent requirement,

[2:07:11] Voice 1: but of course the intent is to offer that space

[2:07:14] Voice 1: at much lower than commercial rents,

[2:07:18] Voice 1: which is one of the great benefits

[2:07:20] Voice 1: of taking over that facility.

[2:07:24] Voice 1: the we're working on a I've been working on a composting project for the Burgoyne Valley the

[2:07:33] Voice 1: community farm in Burgoyne Valley that's 65 acres that actually the local trust committee secured

[2:07:39] Voice 1: through an amenity zoning agreement with with a developer secured 65 acres which was ultimately

[2:07:47] Voice 1: taken over by the farmland trust all of the parcels in in that garden are fully

[2:07:53] Voice 1: subscribed there's a waiting list and so we the farmland trust has agreed and has

[2:08:00] Voice 1: a rental agreement with the abattoir society which will be the proponent for

[2:08:05] Voice 1: the composting project that project has started we've already received some

[2:08:09] Voice 1: funding from the federal government AG investment Canada and I supported it

[2:08:14] Voice 1: with community works funding uh various organizations on salt spring have been

[2:08:19] Voice 1: working on trying to get a composting facility off the ground for well over a decade and this

[2:08:24] Voice 1: is an incredible opportunity to to make that happen it is happening uh we will be securing

[2:08:31] Voice 1: hopefully some additional funding we've applied for funding from clean bc uh in order to faci

[2:08:38] Voice 1: and that funding will flow through the crd in order to facilitate that we have to have a local

[2:08:45] Voice 1: crd service on salt spring that can uh support the facility on an ongoing basis uh and so we're

[2:08:54] Voice 1: amending our liquid waste bylaw uh to include organics which will allow us to support that

[2:09:00] Voice 1: facility as needed we're hoping of course to operate on our cost recovery basis uh but if

[2:09:07] Voice 1: there are any modest shortfalls there are liquid waste service would be able

[2:09:12] Voice 1: to handle that and that was a requirement in order to get some

[2:09:15] Voice 1: additional funding so that the amendment to that bylaw will be made at the CRD

[2:09:20] Voice 1: board meeting this Wednesday the issue of housing of course is probably the

[2:09:33] Voice 1: issue that's that's uh preoccupying locally elected officials and our our community and

[2:09:39] Voice 1: various organizations involved in providing housing it it's it's been the our our preoccupation for

[2:09:47] Voice 1: this entire term um i i believe it it is public that uh lady minto hospital foundation which

[2:09:57] Voice 1: has basically completed a very successful fundraising campaign for the

[2:10:04] Voice 1: new emergency room that funding is fully secured including three million dollars

[2:10:09] Voice 1: from the Capital Regional Hospital District the hospital foundation has an

[2:10:14] Voice 1: accepted offer now for the Seabreeze motel which is great news and that that

[2:10:22] Voice 1: that if if they close that deal they'll be making renovations to the facility to house health

[2:10:29] Voice 1: workers and my understanding is there's actually several dozen health worker positions uh um

[2:10:36] Voice 1: going begging now for for uh for for people and and a key obstacle there is housing so

[2:10:44] Voice 1: So that is a, you know, that is a welcome development.

[2:10:50] Voice 1: However, there are already, I believe, up to 18 units in the Seabreeze that are being occupied by folks who would otherwise be homeless or couch surfing.

[2:11:02] Voice 1: or so if the hospital foundation takes over that facility we've got a

[2:11:10] Voice 1: significant transition there to try and to try and work out for essentially the

[2:11:17] Voice 1: residents at the Seabreeze right now so the I've been talking to various

[2:11:22] Voice 1: stakeholders community services will be getting together with the hospital

[2:11:26] Voice 1: Foundation to discuss the possibilities for transition in a way that mitigates

[2:11:33] Voice 1: impacts on the existing residents. BC Housing will be brought into that

[2:11:37] Voice 1: discussion, as will the CRD, but the key stakeholders there, if the deal is

[2:11:43] Voice 1: completed, and that's still a nip at this point, if the deal is completed there's a

[2:11:49] Voice 1: significant transition that we've got to try and manage, but the key stakeholders

[2:11:52] Voice 1: stakeholders will be meeting I believe later this week early next week to

[2:11:58] Voice 1: discuss plans for transitioning those those folks so it it is a great

[2:12:04] Voice 1: opportunity but it's been created yet another issue in terms of the transition

[2:12:09] Voice 1: of existing tenants I'll look forward to the discussion later in the agenda I'll

[2:12:16] Voice 1: we'll be sitting here but out there with you folks um about the the housing council uh

[2:12:24] Voice 1: initiative that trustee patrick has brought forward and you know i i welcome any additional

[2:12:29] Voice 1: funding that we can find for affordable housing it's imperative that the that the trust and the

[2:12:35] Voice 1: crd be working closely together on that issue there is an existing housing council it's a

[2:12:41] Voice 1: non-profit society um the for the past uh couple of years in part because of covid but also because

[2:12:49] Voice 1: and there are some of you participating in the housing council uh the the participates in the

[2:12:56] Voice 1: participants in the council are uh very busy uh working on their own projects so uh i wave with

[2:13:05] Voice 1: crofton brook uh the dragonfly folks with a proposal for an affordable housing project just

[2:13:10] Voice 1: up here on Drake Road and of course there is a proposal by BC Housing which

[2:13:16] Voice 1: still I still can't say anything publicly about it for Drake Road so

[2:13:21] Voice 1: there's a number of existing projects that are underway and the Housing

[2:13:25] Voice 1: Council has been preoccupied with getting those off the ground but any

[2:13:30] Voice 1: additional funding that the trust can can find for affordable housing on

[2:13:35] Voice 1: on Salisbury, as long as we're working together,

[2:13:37] Voice 1: and we do, we work together behind the scenes

[2:13:43] Voice 1: in many ways that I don't think people are aware,

[2:13:46] Voice 1: the CRE and the Binance Trust,

[2:13:48] Voice 1: as long as we're working together

[2:13:50] Voice 1: so that we can apply those funds

[2:13:52] Voice 1: in the most effective way possible,

[2:13:55] Voice 1: but I'll look forward to the discussion

[2:13:58] Voice 1: later on the agenda today.

[2:13:59] Voice 1: Thanks very much.

[2:14:00] Voice 1: Thank you, Gary.

[2:14:02] Voice 19: Very good, Gary, thank you very much.

[2:14:05] Voice 19: I'm gonna move on now to correspondence.

[2:14:07] Voice 19: Welcome all the other people

[2:14:09] Voice 19: that have joined us here this afternoon.

[2:14:13] Voice 19: And we've got a number of pieces of correspondence

[2:14:15] Voice 19: and they're sort of noted on the agenda

[2:14:18] Voice 19: as for consideration for information.

[2:14:21] Voice 19: So, and they're kind of mixed up.

[2:14:23] Voice 19: I'm just gonna go through them.

[2:14:24] Voice 19: Here we have it's 14.1 letter to Gary Holman

[2:14:30] Voice 19: and copied to us regarding noise complaints

[2:14:34] Voice 19: and considering zoning from, I can't quite pronounce that name, it's Spannerice, Spannerice, and

[2:14:45] Voice 1: Searby staff are working on that.

[2:14:51] Voice 19: Okay, so that's terrific. Okay, so I think it is not necessary that we forward it to them.

[2:14:59] Voice 19: Is there any direction that the LTC would like to take?

[2:15:01] Voice 19: they're obviously working on it so that's good news then I'm going to go to

[2:15:07] Voice 19: a couple items here for that are for information the letter between Grove to

[2:15:13] Voice 19: Heintzeman the trustee Patrick on October the 6th and 7th concerning

[2:15:17] Voice 19: follow-up comments to the LTC receive that for information or is there any

[2:15:20] Voice 19: remarks received for information thank you next item is islands trust to M

[2:15:26] Voice 19: Ford concerning proposed Rogers Tower and Channel Ridge that's for information

[2:15:31] Voice 19: that went out to those folks and he remarks on that one you know so for

[2:15:36] Voice 19: consideration here again is a letter from the district manager of corporate

[2:15:40] Voice 19: office of North Salt Spring waterworks the pickle regarding conservative

[2:15:46] Voice 19: concerning conservation measures for Salt Spring Islands or any thoughts

[2:15:50] Voice 19: there trustees a trustee Grove and then Patrick um

[2:15:54] Voice 8: yes page 2 to 1 everything I

[2:15:56] Voice 8: I think this requires a response from us

[2:15:58] Voice 8: as to where we would show from here,

[2:16:01] Voice 8: because I think it's a reasonable request

[2:16:04] Voice 8: that they're making and makes good sense.

[2:16:07] Voice 8: So that's something we need to address.

[2:16:11] Voice 17: All right, Trustee Patrick.

[2:16:13] Trustee Patrick: I'm wondering if the motion we made earlier today

[2:16:17] Trustee Patrick: in regard to asking staff to work on the options,

[2:16:21] Trustee Patrick: I think you kept that kind of open,

[2:16:23] Trustee Patrick: the options of water storage.

[2:16:27] Trustee Patrick: Does that cover this enough,

[2:16:31] Trustee Patrick: or do we need to have a specific motion on this?

[2:16:33] Trustee Patrick: I guess it's curious.

[2:16:35] Trustee Patrick: I

[2:16:36] Voice 12: think because the LTC made a previous resolution

[2:16:39] Voice 12: about reporting back,

[2:16:40] Voice 12: staff would automatically report back

[2:16:42] Voice 12: to the office saying we are taking the next steps.

[2:16:45] Voice 12: Stay tuned for that.

[2:16:46] Voice 12: Okay, good.

[2:16:47] Voice 12: So I don't need further ado.

[2:16:49] Voice 12: So

[2:16:49] Voice 19: then for clarity,

[2:16:50] Voice 19: we can assume that you will take this letter 14-4

[2:16:53] Voice 19: and consider it into consideration

[2:16:55] Voice 19: with the request that we made earlier.

[2:16:57] Voice 19: Perfect, thank you very much,

[2:16:58] Voice 19: regional planning administration that's good um further for consideration is a letter from spears

[2:17:06] Voice 19: to the local trust committee concerning liverboard vessels and harvard contamination

[2:17:10] Voice 19: um is there some action that lpc would like to take with respect to this i know trustee patrick

[2:17:16] Voice 19: you've been very interested and brought this issue to our attention in the past um any interest in

[2:17:25] Voice 19: that in some direction here trustee patrick well

[2:17:27] Trustee Patrick: uh southern i still absolutely support that this

[2:17:33] Trustee Patrick: needs to be a regional conversation we can't deal with liverboards harvard by harvard because that's

[2:17:38] Trustee Patrick: it's it's just silly because they just move around and we as a as a society need to deal with it so

[2:17:45] Trustee Patrick: i know we did raise it to uh in a previous motion in a previous meeting to the southern gulf island

[2:17:52] Trustee Patrick: forum which is a group well elected of all the southern gulf islands um i know adam adam olsen

[2:17:59] Trustee Patrick: or mla's you know he's a little battled and tired of this topic but um um i think that is the right

[2:18:06] Trustee Patrick: place for us to continue to talk about it because i know gary sits on that board as as well and

[2:18:12] Trustee Patrick: and that we stay at the at the regional level because i understand the frustration but

[2:18:18] Trustee Patrick: but I don't know how else to address it.

[2:18:23] Voice 19: Yeah.

[2:18:24] Voice 19: So has the community forum picked it up

[2:18:26] Voice 19: as a topic of discussion?

[2:18:28] Trustee Patrick: It's an ongoing conversation.

[2:18:30] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[2:18:30] Trustee Patrick: They acknowledged it, but.

[2:18:31] Voice 19: Can

[2:18:32] Voice 1: I make a comment?

[2:18:33] Voice 1: Please, Dr. Holman.

[2:18:35] Voice 1: Well, in my view,

[2:18:38] Voice 1: I think the key issue around foreshore management

[2:18:42] Voice 1: is the fact that senior governments

[2:18:44] Voice 1: have essentially abandoned the field.

[2:18:48] Voice 1: You know, it is clearly within provincial and federal jurisdiction to be managing areas like this.

[2:18:57] Voice 1: Local governments have started to step in where angels fear to tread.

[2:19:03] Voice 1: So Victoria in the Gorge area stepped in with a license or some measure to try and control folks there.

[2:19:13] Voice 1: As Laura points out, though, a number of those folks simply moved on to Brentwood Bay, and if Central Saanich was considering stepping into the area.

[2:19:23] Voice 1: But the key issue that local governments face, and there is a proposed bylaw at the regional district.

[2:19:31] Voice 1: The three municipalities on the peninsula brought that to the regional district in recognition of Laura's point that it should be a regional approach, not a patchwork,

[2:19:42] Voice 1: because people just move around but the key issue there is the liability and if

[2:19:47] Voice 1: you step into that arena you you are taking on considerable liability risk it

[2:19:54] Voice 1: can be dangerous living on the water and if local governments step in to

[2:19:58] Voice 1: administer and manage that you are in effect taking on that liability which

[2:20:03] Voice 1: should rest with senior governments that's the key problem in my view with

[2:20:07] Voice 1: with respect to foreshore management.

[2:20:11] Voice 1: I do think there is a role for local government to play,

[2:20:14] Voice 1: and that includes the CRD,

[2:20:17] Voice 1: but senior governments have got to step up

[2:20:19] Voice 1: and assume some of that risk.

[2:20:21] Voice 1: Central Saanich was proposing to create

[2:20:27] Voice 1: a license of occupation,

[2:20:28] Voice 1: a managed area within the Saanich Inlet,

[2:20:31] Voice 1: and once their staff got into the devil in the detail

[2:20:34] Voice 1: in terms of the liability risk,

[2:20:36] Voice 1: they backed off on that,

[2:20:37] Voice 1: and that's why it was brought to the CRD but it doesn't doesn't do away with the

[2:20:41] Voice 1: problems and the problem is the fact that there's large liabilities

[2:20:46] Voice 1: associated with it and that senior governments need to step up and take

[2:20:49] Voice 1: responsibility in their jurisdiction the temptation for a local government is to

[2:20:54] Voice 1: step into that void and certainly there's a temptation here we all know

[2:21:00] Voice 1: how many people are living out in the harbor out of necessity right this I'm

[2:21:05] Voice 1: not i'm not making any kind of statement against liverboards here if the but the situation needs

[2:21:10] Voice 1: to be managed better it needs to be safer but senior governments have to you know play their

[2:21:15] Voice 1: role local governments can play their role thank you

[2:21:20] Trustee Patrick: laura so i think like i said the southern

[2:21:22] Trustee Patrick: gulf island forum we have at least we have our mla we have our mp we have our regional government and

[2:21:28] Trustee Patrick: i think the conversation needs to continue to happen there i hope i hope and uh because it

[2:21:33] it is the

[2:21:35] Voice 3: appropriate level

[2:21:37] Voice 19: so the only other thing i might add here um because i didn't hear

[2:21:41] Voice 19: anybody else mention it is thanks to laura patrick um we did advance uh the topic of liberal boards

[2:21:49] Voice 19: through ubcm the union of british columbia municipalities in september um to the provincial

[2:21:55] Voice 19: government to uh i can't remember the exact wording of the motion but nonetheless to seek

[2:22:02] Voice 19: their support for addressing this issue and that was endorsed by UBCM and so we

[2:22:09] Voice 19: will definitely get a message back from them with respect to it go ahead Laura

[2:22:13] Voice 19: that

[2:22:13] Trustee Patrick: was last year and we did get a message back our request was that it be

[2:22:16] Trustee Patrick: a regional approach and they said yes it was that was last year's there we go

[2:22:24] Voice 19: this

[2:22:24] Trustee Patrick: year's we were far more successful in getting the provinces attention on

[2:22:28] Trustee Patrick: but not in this they punted they

[2:22:32] Voice 19: punted it back to us okay well we obviously

[2:22:35] Voice 19: need to continue to follow that story sorry for the misinformation okay

[2:22:40] Trustee Patrick: so no

[2:22:42] Voice 19: immediate action we're going to see what happens in the forum and I think this is

[2:22:47] Voice 19: an important issue to all of us across the Federation not just here on Salt

[2:22:51] Voice 19: Spring so we've got a letter here from Gortzen to the LTC regarding

[2:22:56] Voice 19: agriculture land Commission concerning the zoning Salt Spring ALR 2020.4

[2:23:04] Voice 19: that's here for our information thank the writer for that any any comments on

[2:23:12] Voice 19: that one just receive it all right so the next item here is from Courtney to

[2:23:19] Voice 19: the local trust committee and trustee Patrick regarding BC ferries route 6 I

[2:23:24] Voice 19: I was on that lovely ferry this morning, and indeed I walk on that ferry because it's impossible to drive back.

[2:23:33] Voice 19: And so I certainly get the message, and I'll ask the LTC if there's anything they'd like to, any actions they'd like to take on this one.

[2:23:43] Trustee Patrick: I mean, for me, I shared, that's what I shared back with them.

[2:23:46] Trustee Patrick: I don't know if it's that the provincial government is just ignoring the Gulf Islands,

[2:23:56] Trustee Patrick: islands, but I mean, the southern island transportation plan and strategy that was created is excellent,

[2:24:03] Trustee Patrick: but it

[2:24:04] Voice 6: ignores the Gulf

[2:24:04] Trustee Patrick: Islands again.

[2:24:06] Trustee Patrick: It's like the province keeps forgetting that we exist, and we do need strategic planning

[2:24:14] Trustee Patrick: at that level for all of the islands, how the ferry terminals interact, and it's a complex

[2:24:20] Trustee Patrick: thing.

[2:24:21] Trustee Patrick: And that's just my frustration.

[2:24:24] Trustee Patrick: Maybe Gary knows.

[2:24:24] Trustee Patrick: Gary's

[2:24:25] Voice 6: got an answer.

[2:24:26] Trustee Patrick: Why do we keep getting dropped off of these strategic plans at this level?

[2:24:30] Voice 1: Go ahead, Gary.

[2:24:32] Voice 1: Well, Laura is right that the so-called Southern Bank Corral Transification Strategy,

[2:24:39] Voice 1: despite their request of the CRD Board to include the Gulf Islands, was not included.

[2:24:44] Voice 1: We've written to the Minister indicating that we need to get together to talk about an overall plan.

[2:24:50] Voice 1: but but on you know in the meantime we are we are working on the Salish Sea

[2:24:56] Voice 1: Trail MOT has committed we believe and hope that they will follow through next

[2:25:04] Voice 1: year on repaving Ganges Hill with whitened shoulder lines from the bottom

[2:25:08] Voice 1: of the hill up to Cranberry and you know and the Transportation Commission

[2:25:15] Voice 1: Commission continues to work on projects in and around Gandy's, but for the Route 6, and

[2:25:22] Voice 1: of course the Ferry Advisory Committee on which I sit, on which I believe Trustee Grove

[2:25:27] Voice 1: sits, have been complaining to BC Ferries about the fact that that route is underserved.

[2:25:34] Voice 1: We are due to have the Twinsome come onto that route in the spring, and so that's a

[2:25:42] Voice 1: larger boat that loads and unloads more easily that that will help in the short term but the

[2:25:49] Voice 1: longer term um uh vision if that's the right word which vc ferries itself has indicated they will be

[2:26:00] Voice 1: implementing a two ship scenario for route six but not until we understand until 2030. um so

[2:26:10] Voice 1: So, and these are the hybrid electric ships,

[2:26:14] Voice 1: four of which have been purchased

[2:26:16] Voice 1: and I believe are now operating elsewhere

[2:26:18] Voice 1: in kind of the Gulf Islands area.

[2:26:23] Voice 1: And that is the plan for Vesuvius.

[2:26:25] Voice 1: That's the way forward.

[2:26:27] Voice 1: And I think what we need to,

[2:26:29] Voice 1: we need to be more effective as a community

[2:26:33] Voice 1: to lobby the BC Ferries and the province

[2:26:36] Voice 1: to accelerate that plan.

[2:26:38] Voice 1: and the advantage is aside from the obvious increase in the level of service

[2:26:44] Voice 1: where you have 247 car ferries crisscrossing so your hourly service

[2:26:51] Voice 1: becomes every half-hour service which actually by the way will also help with

[2:26:56] Voice 1: transit. Transit has a problem with ridership on that area because the ferry

[2:27:01] Voice 1: is always so far behind that it becomes you know a bit of hit miss in terms of

[2:27:08] Voice 1: the schedule, so it actually depresses transit ridership as well. Those ferries are hybrid

[2:27:14] Voice 1: electric. BC Ferries has applied to the federal government for infrastructure funding to install

[2:27:22] Voice 1: shore power so that the electric aspect of the ferry can be taken advantage of. So I'm not sure

[2:27:31] Voice 1: what the timing on that is, whether or not that would be successful, but that is the way forward

[2:27:38] Voice 1: for Vesuvius. BC Ferries has already indicated and agreed that is the way

[2:27:43] Voice 1: forward and what we need to do is accelerate that. The other benefit of

[2:27:48] Voice 1: having a two-ship solution of Vesuvius Crofton means you don't have to, the

[2:27:55] Voice 1: terminals don't have to be as big because you're decanting those terminals

[2:27:59] Voice 1: now more frequently every half hour and so instead of the argument to BC Ferries

[2:28:04] Voice 1: instead of spending capital on improving the terminals expanding the terminals spend it on

[2:28:10] Voice 1: the ships which is also uh promotes our our climate goals because if you can convert those

[2:28:16] Voice 1: if those ships can run on on uh electricity with the shore power that's the way forward

[2:28:22] Voice 1: so that really the bottom line is the question is how can we as a community be more effective

[2:28:27] Voice 1: in advocating for that and I think we can and that's just a matter of us

[2:28:34] Voice 1: getting organized local trust CRD our Chamber of Commerce our elected

[2:28:41] Voice 1: officials and and make a concerted effort to try and get BC ferries to

[2:28:46] Voice 1: accelerate that to ship solution my understanding is behind the scenes BC

[2:28:51] Voice 1: ferries they've been hearing complaints they're not immune to to to that they're

[2:28:56] Voice 1: not completely deaf but but my understanding is they are starting to think about that and i think

[2:29:03] Voice 1: our efforts as a community need to be focused on encouraging bc the ferries to move in that

[2:29:09] Voice 1: direction more quickly well

[2:29:14] Voice 19: thank you for that gary town lacrosse and it should be happy for

[2:29:17] Voice 19: fewer cars there and

[2:29:19] Voice 8: i just do want to remind us it's so easy to get caught up into these other

[2:29:23] Voice 8: issues but DC Ferries is not under the Islands Trust jurisdiction but it's

[2:29:28] Trustee Patrick: interesting

[2:29:28] Voice 8: stuff nevertheless. Thank you Kerry.

[2:29:32] Trustee Patrick: Go

[2:29:33] Voice 8: ahead. Well

[2:29:34] Trustee Patrick: I agree, land use planning and community planning and

[2:29:38] Trustee Patrick: transportation planning all intersect and need to be done comprehensively.

[2:29:45] Voice 19: Okay I'm gonna move on there's no not seeing any immediate actions there I'm

[2:29:50] Voice 19: I'm going to go to 14.8,

[2:29:51] Voice 19: Allen's Trust to Salt Spring LTC

[2:29:55] Voice 19: with Trustee Goh's reply

[2:29:57] Voice 19: concerning the proposed Rogers.

[2:30:00] Voice 19: So it is power. So that's an ongoing discussion there

[2:30:04] Voice 19: And that's for information. So we'll just receive that information. All right, and the final piece of correspondence here is from

[2:30:12] Voice 19: Clark to the LTC in October 26 also concerning the Rogers Crest cell tower on this one is known as consideration

[2:30:20] Voice 19: So trustee is there any action that you would like to take with respect to the correspondence from Clark? Well,

[2:30:24] Voice 8: it's covered it done under 17

[2:30:27] Voice 19: That's correct. So we're going to be discussing this at 17.11 on our agenda. So we'll just

[2:30:34] Voice 19: receive that to inform that discussion. So thank you very much to the writer. All right.

[2:30:40] Voice 19: So that's enough talking from this side of the room. We're now going to move to delegations

[2:30:46] Voice 19: and then we're going to go into town hall. And we have one delegation today, Mr. Moges

[2:30:56] Voice 19: for us and their August 19th recommendations and maybe I'll just ask

[2:31:01] Voice 19: you think that microphones going to pick them up that far away or should we ask

[2:31:05] Voice 19: them to step a little closer it's

[2:31:07] Trustee Patrick: pretty darn good if they're talking loud enough

[2:31:09] Trustee Patrick: it's

[2:31:10] Voice 19: okay so you can talk loud because the microphone doesn't work there the

[2:31:13] Voice 19: microphone is here and please go ahead we also recording it here we need to

[2:31:18] Voice 19: to splice at night and watch the BU meter,

[2:31:21] Voice 19: so I'll see if you're loud enough.

[2:31:22] Voice 4: OK.

[2:31:23] Voice 4: Hi, everyone.

[2:31:24] Voice 4: I'm here on top of this

[2:31:34] Voice 4: ladder with me.

[2:31:43] Voice 4: As the trust is welfare, our community organization,

[2:31:47] Voice 4: Salt Spring Solutions, has been working

[2:31:49] Voice 4: to raise the profile of and for many years now.

[2:31:58] Voice 4: And the issue has been unprecedented.

[2:32:00] Voice 4: From last week's of Iowa, it needs

[2:32:14] Voice 4: to grow every week, employing the trust to roll up its lead.

[2:32:20] Voice 4: Therefore, we are excited to see the recommendations

[2:32:23] Voice 4: Suffering Solutions is fully in support of the housing task force on August 28th.

[2:32:32] Voice 4: We hope that citizens are pleased that the task force has taken its mandate of responding to the crisis.

[2:32:43] Voice 4: By identifying austerity actions while we continue to stress the urgency for action for LPC on land use basis,

[2:33:00] Voice 4: we

[2:33:00] Voice 13: do not believe that the housing

[2:33:01] Voice 4: task force is moving too fast.

[2:33:05] Voice 4: We understand that funding can be used as well as longer-term support.

[2:33:11] Voice 4: If the first action program, being the operational work, is made very intentionally by the LTC,

[2:33:22] Voice 4: many of the solutions being discussed and or proposed are already known, have been studied by the Island Trust Board,

[2:33:29] Voice 4: and have demonstrated success between parable jurisdictions.

[2:33:34] Voice 4: These solutions will support swift, pragmatic, and effective actions made by the LTC, and we encourage you to finally begin this project.

[2:33:46] Voice 4: of particular

[2:33:46] Voice 13: interest to our

[2:33:47] Voice 4: organization is moving forward the task force's recommendation

[2:33:52] Voice 4: for allowing secondary suites island-wide if adequate water supply through a community system

[2:33:58] Voice 4: well while repairing water content we have studied and advocated for this this is the most broadly

[2:34:09] Voice 4: supported ecologically friendly and economically feasible affordable housing solution that would

[2:34:15] Voice 4: have the most wide muting and longest lasting in as you know the original bylaw 461 was a good

[2:34:26] Voice 4: housing solution approved by the LDP but was almost entirely hamstrung by the unexpected

[2:34:33] Voice 4: and inflexible moratorium imposed by North Salt Lake the NSSW moratorium effectively whittled down

[2:34:43] Voice 4: the 1600 parcels where secondary suites could have been allowed to something closer to 300 parcels

[2:34:51] Voice 4: which works out to less than 20% of the amount intended by a reminder that was eight years ago when the workforce housing crisis was even less severe.

[2:35:06] Voice 4: The staff recommendation on suites before the LTC today is to direct staff to review the housing task force's recommendation on suites and report back to the LTC.

[2:35:19] Voice 4: We implore the LTC to act on this with the same urgency as the task force.

[2:35:26] Voice 4: Please approve and prioritize this action so that a by-law amendment

[2:35:31] Voice 4: can come before the LTC in January, not February and March.

[2:35:38] Voice 4: We also ask that the LTC determine how it can make use of the recently announced and quote removed default requirements of the local government on a by-law amendment that are consistent with the official community.

[2:35:59] Voice 4: policy already enables secondary suites

[2:36:02] Voice 4: to any other housing suites that have not been properly

[2:36:06] Voice 4: transferred into the land use.

[2:36:10] Voice 4: This new local government act amendment

[2:36:12] Voice 4: is his quicker and more effective way to answer.

[2:36:22] Voice 19: Thank you.

[2:36:22] Voice 19: Thank you very much for your presentation

[2:36:25] Voice 19: and give our concerns to Jason for his family emergency.

[2:36:30] Voice 19: Thank you.

[2:36:31] Voice 19: Any questions for the delegate?

[2:36:33] Voice 19: No, thank you.

[2:36:34] Voice 3: Thank

[2:36:34] Voice 19: you very much.

[2:36:35] Voice 19: OK, thank you.

[2:36:36] Voice 19: you now we're going to move to Town Hall and questions and I see a hand up there

[2:36:44] Voice 19: so I just want to see it to show are you showing your hand because you wish to

[2:36:47] Voice 19: speak to okay so let's just get a show of hands to give me an idea of the time

[2:36:51] Voice 19: that we're going to a lot here for speakers I see four maybe five five

[2:36:57] Voice 19: people that wish to speak to the town hall so I'm just simplicity sake and

[2:37:03] Voice 19: I'm going to start at the front here and work back.

[2:37:04] Voice 19: I saw a gentleman in the middle of the front, third row back.

[2:37:08] Voice 19: And please state your name.

[2:37:10] Voice 19: And I just want to make a couple of remarks before we begin on this.

[2:37:15] Voice 19: As chair of this committee, I'm committed to ensuring that all people who speak at this meeting are treated fairly and respectfully.

[2:37:22] Voice 19: And that language we use will reflect that.

[2:37:25] Voice 19: No form of discrimination is acceptable or tolerated.

[2:37:28] Voice 19: We will all take responsibility to create a safe, inclusive environment for everyone to participate and be respected.

[2:37:35] Voice 19: Members of this committee may call a point of order if a speaker's language is not respectful.

[2:37:41] Voice 19: The chair may ask the speaker to change their language accordingly before continuing.

[2:37:47] Voice 19: Comments that include criticisms or attacks on other people are considered discriminatory and not allowed.

[2:37:54] Voice 19: All comments should be accurate and direct.

[2:37:57] Voice 19: correct thank you for helping make this a safe environment for all and i also want to take this

[2:38:02] Voice 19: moment to thank all of you for wearing masks today to make it safe for all of us and our families and

[2:38:06] Voice 19: friends and thank you for that so sir over to you and i usually we usually have two minutes for

[2:38:12] Voice 19: speakers so uh i'm generous usually but please go ahead excellent

[2:38:16] Voice 9: thank you my name is julian

[2:38:18] Voice 9: clark and you've spoken to the letter that was written on the cell tower yeah um let's take the

[2:38:24] Voice 9: obvious cell tower siting is clearly a very consequential decision and the

[2:38:31] Voice 9: amount of time and effort and due diligence and review that you folks do

[2:38:36] Voice 9: to ensure that it's good use of the land is clearly very important. I just came up

[2:38:44] Voice 9: here to thank you for considering the review of your concurrence decision in

[2:38:49] Voice 9: in item 17-1.

[2:38:52] Voice 9: Further to what you've heard back from ISCD,

[2:38:55] Voice 9: Inspector Management, which is that if you had

[2:38:58] Voice 9: accurate or incomplete information

[2:39:00] Voice 9: at the time of that concurrent decision,

[2:39:03] Voice 9: that you would be in a position to rescind

[2:39:05] Voice 9: if you chose to do so.

[2:39:08] Voice 9: The letter that was written,

[2:39:09] Voice 9: I don't wanna go through it here,

[2:39:10] Voice 9: you have the letter in front of you,

[2:39:12] Voice 9: but I think it clearly shows a number of areas

[2:39:16] Voice 9: where there was either false information put forward,

[2:39:19] Voice 9: or there was misleading information pushed forward, and I would ask that you consider that very, very carefully when you do cover item 17-1.

[2:39:30] Voice 9: I want to thank you for doing just that.

[2:39:33] Voice 9: I think it takes a great deal of courage to go back on a prior decision, and so I thank the LTC for considering that item.

[2:39:42] Voice 9: I'm here with a number of other concerned residents and families back today.

[2:39:46] Voice 9: Today, we are just a small group that is here in person.

[2:39:50] Voice 9: There is a much larger group of very concerned residents

[2:39:54] Voice 9: about what may happen here, and we

[2:39:56] Voice 9: thank you for your consideration.

[2:39:58] Voice 19: Thank you, Julian, for joining us today,

[2:40:00] Voice 19: and your message and your letter.

[2:40:03] Voice 19: The next speaker, I think, is on the third row.

[2:40:05] Voice 19: I think it's Jenny McClain, fourth row, sorry.

[2:40:10] Voice 2: I am speaking to Freedom of Information, information

[2:40:14] Voice 2: that I got on October the 29th and because of the lateness of getting it

[2:40:20] Voice 2: compared to the timing of this meeting I was too late to get the delegation

[2:40:23] Voice 2: request into the agenda so I'm just really hoping for some generosity around

[2:40:28] Voice 2: time I won't go too long but I'm hoping to be if I go over two minutes could you

[2:40:33] Voice 2: please just let me finish.

[2:40:35] Voice 19: Sure so how much time would you like? Well

[2:40:37] Voice 2: I ultimately would like five minutes if it's possible.

[2:40:40] Voice 19: Okay, so I'm going to ask the LTC, is that in your mind that the number of people speaking today, five minutes is okay, so Jenny, go ahead then.

[2:40:49] Voice 2: Thank you. I'm here to speak about the recent Freedom of Information request I made to the Island Trust to ask the following questions of ISRA concerning their rental charges for the tenants of Meadowbrook,

[2:41:03] Voice 2: located, the Metaburk facility is located at 121 Atkins Road, Salt Spring Island.

[2:41:08] Voice 2: The package came back to me and it showed that for every answer to every question that

[2:41:16] Voice 2: Gizra had no responsive records to this request.

[2:41:21] Voice 2: So the questions were very simple, including what's your current rent, but Gizra declined

[2:41:27] Voice 2: client to offer any information whatsoever even for providing their

[2:41:31] Voice 2: starting rent or current rent or what's included in the rent so then as we

[2:41:38] Voice 2: continue I guess I wrote out all these questions but I won't bother with them

[2:41:43] Voice 2: because they take too much time there was a few things that I want to cover

[2:41:48] Voice 2: like it says here on page three of the freedom of information that was prepared

[2:41:53] Voice 2: by the islands trust please note responsive records which may pertain to the above questions

[2:41:59] Voice 2: were received after the date of this request and will be made public as part of the november 9th

[2:42:04] Voice 2: 2021 sovereign local trust committee agenda package however here we are today is november

[2:42:09] Voice 2: 9 2021 as we heard earlier that from gizra who was here in the audience in the morning

[2:42:16] Voice 2: they don't have the answers then nobody provided anything for the agenda package for today as was

[2:42:23] Voice 2: was promised, and Gisra was allowed to have,

[2:42:27] Voice 2: just it be recommended that they provide answers,

[2:42:30] Voice 2: but there was no deadline provided to them.

[2:42:32] Voice 2: So we don't see any deadline whatsoever,

[2:42:34] Voice 2: so we don't really know when Gisra might feel like

[2:42:37] Voice 2: telling the LTC how much rent they charge people.

[2:42:42] Voice 2: So anyways, then, this should actually be paid public.

[2:42:47] Voice 2: So as we know, there was a covenant made

[2:42:50] Voice 2: for the affordability of the housing which allowed the zoning of 121 Atkins

[2:42:56] Voice 2: in order for it to become like this kind of a dense type of housing there are

[2:43:04] Voice 2: some things that are inaccurate there's for example it is spoken into covenant

[2:43:10] Voice 2: whereas the owners apply to the trust community for resigning to the land to

[2:43:14] Voice 2: permit the construction of a senior support housing on the lands in fact the

[2:43:18] Voice 2: housing is advertised on the internet as being independent living it's not

[2:43:23] Voice 2: actually supportive housing and they have put a few papers about what is

[2:43:29] Voice 2: independent living and how people can afford it with an affordability

[2:43:35] Voice 2: calculator and it's a way big difference between supportive housing care housing

[2:43:43] Voice 2: independent living those are all different things and if you have

[2:43:46] Voice 2: supportive housing you need to be licensed and there's no way for me to know that metabrookie

[2:43:50] Voice 2: is licensed and also in your licensed facility you have to submit to inspections which metabrook

[2:43:56] Voice 2: does not have to submit to and there's there's very specific things around rental charges for

[2:44:02] Voice 2: supportive versus independent for example if it's supportive housing it can be up to 70 percent of

[2:44:08] Voice 2: your net income you can go to rent because it does include those extra services but independent

[2:44:12] Voice 2: tenant living does not include anything further than just basically a rental community like a

[2:44:18] Voice 2: retirement community that's under the rtb it's not really under island health or anything like that

[2:44:24] Voice 2: so they exist in this loose zone where they're not subject to the community care act here okay so

[2:44:31] Voice 2: then we go to section five which is excuse me section four stipulated that every tenant should

[2:44:38] Voice 2: should receive a copy of the covenant.

[2:44:40] Voice 2: However, I have no idea that any tenant

[2:44:43] Voice 2: has ever received a copy of the rental agreement.

[2:44:46] Voice 2: So that's another transgression.

[2:44:47] Voice 2: Section 5A states that the owner must not charge a tenant

[2:44:52] Voice 2: a monthly rent amount greater than the amount set out

[2:44:55] Voice 2: in the following table during the first 12 months

[2:44:57] Voice 2: of the joint occupancy.

[2:44:59] Voice 2: So this actually shows within the covenant

[2:45:01] Voice 2: that initial rents were $850 for one bedroom

[2:45:05] Voice 2: and $1,075 for a two-bedroom.

[2:45:08] Voice 2: Currently, as ISRA has posted on their website,

[2:45:12] Voice 2: it's $3,718 a month for one bedroom

[2:45:15] Voice 2: and $4,066 for a two-bedroom.

[2:45:18] Voice 2: It states it's a flat fee.

[2:45:20] Voice 2: It doesn't state that it's including all these services

[2:45:22] Voice 2: or a separate thing.

[2:45:23] Voice 2: It states it's a flat fee.

[2:45:24] Voice 2: So then their proposed rent for metal lane

[2:45:27] Voice 2: is to be between $3,000 and $5,000 per month

[2:45:33] Voice 2: for each individual senior.

[2:45:36] Voice 2: So what about the amount of income

[2:45:37] Voice 2: needed to pay a monthly rent

[2:45:39] Voice 2: of, let's just say, $3,700,

[2:45:41] Voice 2: which is what MediWork charges,

[2:45:43] Voice 2: under the CMHC affordability calculator

[2:45:45] Voice 2: it shows that only a person

[2:45:48] Voice 2: with a net annual income

[2:45:50] Voice 2: of $150,000

[2:45:51] Voice 2: can afford

[2:45:53] Voice 2: or have it be considered that $3,750

[2:45:56] Voice 2: is an affordable amount

[2:45:57] Voice 2: for a monthly rent.

[2:46:00] Voice 2: It is not affordable.

[2:46:02] Voice 2: Gordy Gordon analyzed the numbers that he could acquire, and they are shown in his report.

[2:46:09] Voice 2: It shows that according to what should have been the annual rise, not even due to an affordability

[2:46:16] Voice 2: index, but just from the annual amount that the tenancy branch of BC allows, the current

[2:46:22] Voice 2: monthly rentals from Edinburgh to be somewhere around $2,000.

[2:46:26] Voice 2: Instead, they're at a minimum of $3,718 a month.

[2:46:31] Voice 2: So

[2:46:31] Voice 19: can I ask you to wrap up, Jenny?

[2:46:33] Voice 19: Yeah,

[2:46:34] Voice 2: so anyways, there's a lot to it.

[2:46:38] Voice 2: And anyways, in terms of what I wrote in the letter about getting permission to rise rent above a normal amount,

[2:46:45] Voice 2: that has to be done through court until maybe it changed now because the RTV changed last summer.

[2:46:50] Voice 2: But all the years before that, if you need extra money off the tenants for capital projects,

[2:46:56] Voice 2: you have to have a court agreement to allow that.

[2:47:00] Voice 2: you can't just arbitrarily decide on your own to do that and try to report later so what i'm asking

[2:47:05] Voice 2: from the trustees today is to mandate israel to have the deadline to provide the rental

[2:47:11] Voice 2: information it's extremely important this is not what we got on the hill for with so many people

[2:47:16] Voice 2: without housing and now trying to build another community that's for five thousand dollars a month

[2:47:21] Voice 2: per senior it's not what all this work is going into for affordable housing okay thank you mr

[2:47:32] Voice 19: chairman please

[2:47:33] Voice 19: I don't want to support a debate back and forth between the

[2:47:42] Voice 19: community in the meet during the meeting if you guys want to debate the merits of

[2:47:46] Voice 19: it then you can do so for yourself we have received a report earlier today we

[2:47:52] Voice 17: have

[2:47:52] Voice 19: asked Israel for the completion of the appendix to of that document I would

[2:47:58] Voice 19: would suggest that we we need have not indicated a completion date on that I

[2:48:03] Voice 19: think that that information will be forthcoming in kind to us and so I

[2:48:08] Voice 19: presume that that will happen and so you can certainly respond to us in writing

[2:48:13] Voice 19: if you have some different information you'd like to provide but this is not

[2:48:18] Voice 19: really a forum for a debate between community members so going further back

[2:48:26] Voice 19: back now into the fifth row or sixth row i saw some hands up right here if you could take the

[2:48:31] Voice 19: microphone please your name please and uh and uh two minutes is the normal yeah yeah

[2:48:37] Voice 4: my name is

[2:48:38] Voice 4: fraya sky i just wanted to speak in support of the recommendations of the last course

[2:48:44] Voice 4: um i'm thinking that these recommendations are very reasonable and much needed in our community

[2:48:49] Voice 4: and one of their recommendations was the pause on enforced unlawful dwellings.

[2:48:57] Voice 4: If you really look behind the scenes and look into who is the biggest provider of affordable housing on Salt Spring,

[2:49:04] Voice 4: the unofficial answer would be that it is unlawful dwellings.

[2:49:09] Voice 4: And that's maybe not something people like to hear or that is showing up in any reports,

[2:49:13] Voice 4: but I believe that's the reality on Salt Spring.

[2:49:16] Voice 4: And a lot of these unlocked housing units are perfectly safe and low impact,

[2:49:25] Voice 4: economically sound, there may be some exceptions, changes may need to be made,

[2:49:31] Voice 4: but in general, I think that recommendation is a very important one.

[2:49:37] Voice 4: They depend on having the fact

[2:49:42] Voice 5: that they are

[2:49:42] Voice 4: living in fear and under

[2:49:44] Voice 4: threat of coming around.

[2:49:54] Voice 4: Another quick thing I wanted to speak to, also concerning housing,

[2:49:58] Voice 4: is the upcoming changes in the housing options in the agricultural land reserve.

[2:50:04] Voice 4: Myself, I'm the owner of the agricultural land reserve and farmer and it has already been mentioned in the official community plan

[2:50:11] Voice 4: how much additional housing on farmland is needed for the operation on the island.

[2:50:20] Voice 4: It's one of the most expensive farmlands in the province and it is hard with the economic reality of the farm

[2:50:30] Voice 4: in such that additional housing is needed, whether it be for a family member, whether it be for a farm worker,

[2:50:37] Voice 4: whether it be for a district employee, to see to adopt the new regulations of the AOC

[2:50:47] Voice 4: without making that even more restrictive.

[2:50:49] Voice 4: I've seen the new proposed amendment, and I believe it to be a good idea.

[2:50:55] Voice 4: Thank

[2:50:57] Voice 19: you very much for coming today.

[2:51:00] Voice 19: So further back in the last row, or back at the end wall there.

[2:51:07] Voice 19: Don't be afraid. Come up to the microphone.

[2:51:11] Voice 19: It doesn't hurt to create a line up either.

[2:52:07] Voice 16: Thank

[2:52:12] Voice 19: you very much for coming today.

[2:52:14] Voice 19: Anybody else wish to address the Local Trust Committee?

[2:52:18] Voice 19: Good afternoon.

[2:52:26] Voice 15: Good afternoon. I'm Rowan Weitzman, Chair of the Housing and Country Program.

[2:52:31] Voice 15: I'm here today to urge you to adopt all of our recommendations and with urgency.

[2:52:37] Voice 15: The Housing Task Force made these recommendations because we recognize that there's an intense crisis on our island

[2:52:42] Voice 15: so that's why we're really urging action and we chose things that can be done quickly.

[2:52:51] Voice 15: Many of them to be adopted today are standing resolutions so that we're not forcing against people who are sheltering people right now.

[2:53:02] Voice 15: What's considered unlawful dwelling, but they're by and large safe and probably, you know,

[2:53:07] Voice 15: anecdotally probably more than half of our rental housing is housed in some sort of non-performing

[2:53:13] Voice 15: dwelling.

[2:53:16] Voice 15: What we're trying to recognize is we need to see, it's kind of like when, you know,

[2:53:20] Voice 15: where you're trying to figure out where a sidewalk is.

[2:53:22] Voice 15: And if you see where people cut and walk across the grass, that's where the path is.

[2:53:27] Voice 15: That's where the path is in this community.

[2:53:29] Voice 15: It's housing people in suites and cottages, accessory buildings, that's what people have

[2:53:33] Voice 15: always done.

[2:53:33] Voice 15: But it's not lawful. People are afraid. People are getting enforced upon every day.

[2:53:38] Voice 15: Just the other day, two years after their phone was recognized as safe, they're getting cracked down again.

[2:53:46] Voice 15: And they're just trying to house them in their community.

[2:53:51] Voice 15: We can't wait. It's time to act.

[2:53:54] Voice 15: We've recommended these things. Please adopt them.

[2:53:59] Voice 15: There's a relatively new thing that is encouraging people to commercial housing providers.

[2:54:05] Voice 15: There's all kinds of resorts right now, it's raining, they're sitting empty.

[2:54:08] Voice 15: All of those people love to house people, they always used to, they always used to be

[2:54:12] Voice 15: full of people all over their home.

[2:54:13] Voice 15: Lots of people are in transition to use that shelter, allow that, encourage it, not only

[2:54:19] Voice 15: encourage it, not only allow it, but actively promote it to them, to make this, to use empty

[2:54:26] Voice 15: spaces, promote to our island to use the empty spaces that we have all over this island to

[2:54:31] Voice 15: house the people that are in need.

[2:54:33] Voice 15: And to make that legal, our recognition is to legalize secondary suites, to, there was

[2:54:44] Voice 15: a pilot program eight years ago, very little uptake, too many rules, too many restrictions,

[2:54:51] Voice 15: lots of waterworks zone.

[2:54:53] Voice 15: In order for this kind of thing to work, we need to make it so that all the people who

[2:54:59] Voice 15: want to do this, not everybody wants to have someone who can be their basement, and to

[2:55:03] Voice 15: and to allow people to use other buildings like garages or shops or barns, things that exist where people could be living.

[2:55:10] Voice 15: That's the low environmental footprint, loading it through, is to make use of the buildings that are standing today

[2:55:16] Voice 15: because the cost of construction and land is so expensive.

[2:55:19] Voice 15: And this is an accessory use to driveways, wells, infrastructure is already in place.

[2:55:26] This is

[2:55:27] Voice 15: an environmental way to do it.

[2:55:28] Voice 15: This was recognized by Ann's Trust's own report in 2003.

[2:55:32] Voice 15: It's called Centenary Info.

[2:55:35] Voice 15: It's almost 20 years ago, guys.

[2:55:37] Voice 15: Let's put this

[2:55:38] Voice 19: in an option.

[2:55:40] Voice 19: Thank you, Roman.

[2:55:42] Voice 19: And I want to thank you and your task force for the terrific work you've been doing.

[2:55:46] Voice 19: I've enjoyed reading your reports and appreciate the depth of the conversation happening at the table.

[2:55:52] Voice 19: Thank you, sir.

[2:55:53] Voice 19: Okay, anybody else wish to address the local church community today?

[2:55:57] Voice 19: Probably

[2:56:01] Voice 16: with my last 30 seconds.

[2:56:03] Voice 16: Absolutely.

[2:56:04] Voice 16: I'll call again.

[2:56:07] Voice 16: So yeah, if everyone has different opinions, we have a diverse community and I just want

[2:56:11] Voice 16: to support.

[2:56:12] Voice 16: Can

[2:56:12] Voice 19: you come a little closer?

[2:56:13] Voice 19: The microphone picked you up.

[2:56:15] Voice 19: I'm having

[2:56:15] Voice 16: a hard time hearing you.

[2:56:16] Voice 16: And thank you so much for the opportunity to speak again.

[2:56:19] Voice 16: I just want to celebrate that we have a diverse community and you know, according to the philosophies

[2:56:25] Voice 16: of long-term planners, people like James Jacobs and others, the idea is that we unite and

[2:56:30] Voice 16: and we can find solutions that are gonna work

[2:56:33] Voice 16: for people of all economic strata,

[2:56:34] Voice 16: all cultural backgrounds.

[2:56:36] Voice 16: There are solutions available to us.

[2:56:38] Voice 16: It's not about, you know, these are too radical

[2:56:42] Voice 16: and that's gonna scare off people.

[2:56:44] Voice 16: There are ways to make this community safer

[2:56:48] Voice 16: by having affordable housing for people

[2:56:51] Voice 16: with services needed in the community.

[2:56:54] Voice 16: And it's been proven time and again

[2:56:56] Voice 16: that if you have that, the community

[2:56:57] Voice 16: has a longer-term viability with less time.

[2:57:00] Voice 16: We're really here from a point of view

[2:57:04] Voice 16: of not misrepresenting people in the House.

[2:57:13] Voice 19: Thank you.

[2:57:13] Voice 19: That was 48 seconds, by the way.

[2:57:17] Voice 19: Okay, everybody.

[2:57:18] Voice 19: Thanks for the good laugh at the end.

[2:57:20] Voice 19: We've got to remember to be joyful and smile

[2:57:24] Voice 19: and love each other as we go through these difficult times

[2:57:27] Voice 19: and work together to find solutions.

[2:57:29] Voice 19: So thank everybody in the room for all this great work.

[2:57:32] Voice 19: That then does it for our town hall questions.

[2:57:35] Voice 19: We're going to move on to other business.

[2:57:37] Voice 19: I did offer Gary the opportunity to sit in the audience

[2:57:39] Voice 19: and listen to the coming reports but thank you Gary for joining us here today

[2:57:44] Voice 19: really great to see you again so

[2:57:46] Voice 1: Peter you're gonna let me sit in the audience

[2:57:48] Voice 19: if you want I'm gonna let

[2:57:52] Voice 19: you leave here you weren't terribly comfortable about

[2:57:56] Voice 19: sitting in the middle but the new camera technology that we're recording and

[2:58:00] Voice 19: ideally making this meeting more publicly accessible to folks at home

[2:58:05] Voice 19: that can't take time off from work and all that sort of thing um is limited in its field of view

[2:58:10] Voice 19: although it's a great camera and it does work well and hopefully catches all the audio okay

[2:58:16] Voice 19: so um we deferred items eight eight point eight point uh two um and uh

[2:58:31] Voice 19: 8.2 and 9.1

[2:58:32] Voice 19: and so let us begin with

[2:58:34] Voice 19: 8.2.

[2:58:36] Voice 19: Landon Garbo, over to you.

[2:58:43] Voice 12: Housing advice?

[2:58:44] Voice 19: That is your table

[2:58:45] Voice 19: resolution for the last week.

[2:58:47] Voice 19: Okay, thank you.

[2:58:49] Voice 19: So then that's housing actions.

[2:58:51] Voice 19: Motion postponed from October 8th.

[2:58:54] Voice 19: So thank you for that.

[2:58:56] Voice 19: So I'll just turn to Trustee Patrick.

[2:58:58] Voice 19: It was your motion, I believe.

[2:59:00] Voice 19: And

[2:59:01] Voice 19: And what would you like to see happen with this at this time?

[2:59:06] Trustee Patrick: The opportunity here is that the Gabriola Island is making the same request,

[2:59:14] Trustee Patrick: and that the work that needs to be done to move this to a delegated authority

[2:59:24] Trustee Patrick: and to go through the special tax requisition has, like I said,

[2:59:31] Trustee Patrick: So there's a lot of efficiencies if we work together with Gabriola.

[2:59:35] Trustee Patrick: So that would be the only one modification here that I would recommend is that we,

[2:59:40] Trustee Patrick: instead of saying produce a business case, that we would work in cooperation with Gabriola

[2:59:46] Trustee Patrick: to combine our business cases for consideration, which is going to happen tomorrow.

[2:59:53] Trustee Patrick: So this is a motion that I made last month in regard to, and Gary alluded to,

[3:00:00] Trustee Patrick: to it is um this this was not about us not working in cooperation it was absolutely to recognize that

[3:00:07] Trustee Patrick: we only can work in cooperation to solve the housing uh issues here that uh through islands

[3:00:13] Trustee Patrick: trust we have the we have the potential to go through a special tax requisition that could

[3:00:18] Trustee Patrick: create funding to help make the housing council have uh funding rather than just be volunteers

[3:00:25] Trustee Patrick: volunteers working on the corner of their of their desks so that we can be more efficient on

[3:00:31] Trustee Patrick: the island and that that's what this was was about kicking off that process knowing it was not going

[3:00:38] Trustee Patrick: to happen quickly but that we do need to spend some resources even to get access to the special

[3:00:46] Trustee Patrick: tax proposition we have to do work to to make that money exist so that would be my only suggestion

[3:00:53] Trustee Patrick: is that we could combine, I don't know if you want me to amend the motion to

[3:00:59] Trustee Patrick: Well, that would

[3:01:01] Voice 19: seem like the right thing to do. Out of fairness for the members of

[3:01:04] Voice 19: the public here that may not be aware of what the motion is, I'm just going to read the

[3:01:08] Voice 19: motion. I'm not going to read the where-hases so that it's clear. And then, indeed, if you

[3:01:13] Voice 19: want to amend it, then that certainly will put that motion back on the table. And then

[3:01:21] Voice 19: and then we can go through the process.

[3:01:22] Voice 19: So the motion that Trustee Patrick brought forward

[3:01:24] Voice 19: at our last meeting was that the Salt Spring Island

[3:01:28] Voice 19: Local Trust Committee direct staff to prepare

[3:01:30] Voice 19: a 2022-23 business case that includes,

[3:01:33] Voice 19: but is not limited to one, obtaining delegated authority

[3:01:37] Voice 19: to facilitate a coordinator approach for housing solutions.

[3:01:40] Voice 19: Two, coordinating a Salt Spring Island housing council

[3:01:44] Voice 19: like entity with member representation from government,

[3:01:47] Voice 19: e.g. CRD and BC Housing, rate payer organizations,

[3:01:51] Voice 19: e.g. North Salt Spring Water District,

[3:01:56] Voice 19: not-for-profit organizations and others

[3:01:58] Voice 19: with professional expertise that is staffed,

[3:02:02] Voice 19: able to receive and administer grants

[3:02:04] Voice 19: and manage projects and programs

[3:02:06] Voice 19: and undertake planning work,

[3:02:08] Voice 19: and three, allowing for consulting support

[3:02:12] Voice 19: to facilitate all aspects of the setting up of this entity.

[3:02:18] Voice 19: So I'm not sure what an amendment would look like but over to you

[3:02:21] Voice 19: Well,

[3:02:22] Trustee Patrick: there was an important whereas because we have a lot of the housing action task force

[3:02:27] Trustee Patrick: The first whereas was that we recognize the housing task force is extremely important in value for identifying

[3:02:33] Trustee Patrick: prioritizing actions to expand the housing options and

[3:02:37] Trustee Patrick: That are primarily within our authority

[3:02:39] Trustee Patrick: So this is about the combined effort on the island is to make the housing help help facilitate the housing council to be

[3:02:46] Trustee Patrick: effective and so I guess I would trust committee amend or no okay so I have to

[3:02:57] Trustee Patrick: speak amendment sorry I'll catch up I'm just amending that

[3:03:00] Voice 19: Sarah's with us and

[3:03:02] Voice 19: she's got the emotion amen

[3:03:04] Trustee Patrick: the motion to read that instead of directing let's see

[3:03:12] Trustee Patrick: Instead of directing staff to prepare the business case to, should I say, explore combining,

[3:03:24] Trustee Patrick: or what would be the right word to use?

[3:03:25] Trustee Patrick: I don't want to be, because this is happening tomorrow, so what would be useful words?

[3:03:31] Trustee Patrick: Because we're not

[3:03:31] Voice 19: going to combine.

[3:03:32] Voice 19: Which item are you wanting to change?

[3:03:34] Trustee Patrick: It says direct staff to prepare a 2022 business case.

[3:03:37] Trustee Patrick: Okay, and

[3:03:38] Voice 19: what do you want to do instead?

[3:03:39] Trustee Patrick: I want to try to combine the business case with the Gabriela's.

[3:03:44] Trustee Patrick: uh

[3:03:45] Voice 19: so well yeah so i would say it would be collaborate with gabriel island with respect to

[3:03:54] Voice 19: one two three okay

[3:04:00] Trustee Patrick: so i'll amend the motion to the local trust committee collaborate with the

[3:04:06] Trustee Patrick: gabriela local trust committee that's who's yeah of

[3:04:10] Voice 19: course it requires their willing participation

[3:04:12] Voice 19: and

[3:04:12] Trustee Patrick: then it stays to prepare the business case um or to include maybe and to include in the

[3:04:18] Trustee Patrick: business case the following in

[3:04:21] Voice 19: their business case yeah yeah um obviously it's yeah i just i

[3:04:29] Voice 19: always think about the ramifications because obviously gabriella will not have uh factored

[3:04:35] Voice 19: in the financial commitments that would be necessary to collaborate with salt spring

[3:04:40] Voice 19: so that would compromise their project at fpc tomorrow well

[3:04:45] Trustee Patrick: it doesn't exist tomorrow so it's

[3:04:47] Trustee Patrick: the conversation tomorrow yeah

[3:04:48] Voice 19: you and you've been I understand you've been in

[3:04:54] Voice 19: touch with the trustees and Gabrielle well

[3:04:56] Trustee Patrick: to some extent but this is like

[3:04:58] Trustee Patrick: said the work we're both asking for the same entity we both have to do the same

[3:05:03] Trustee Patrick: work for the most part there's quite a bit that has to be done together so so

[3:05:09] Voice 19: perhaps what you want to do is actually approach Gabrielle Island LPC seeking

[3:05:15] Voice 19: speaking collaboration in mutual benefit towards a business case,

[3:05:22] Voice 19: X, Y, Z. I don't

[3:05:27] Trustee Patrick: want to break the house.

[3:05:28] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, no, I don't.

[3:05:29] Trustee Patrick: I'm just going to help.

[3:05:31] Trustee Patrick: If

[3:05:33] Voice 19: you would like to take some time to think about that,

[3:05:35] Voice 19: we could move on to the reporting and we could consider this again

[3:05:41] Voice 19: before the end of the meeting.

[3:05:42] Voice 8: Wait, do we actually have a motion on the table?

[3:05:45] Voice 8: Yes.

[3:05:45] Voice 8: Did you

[3:05:45] Voice 8: make a motion last time?

[3:05:46] Voice 8: Yes.

[3:05:47] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:05:47] Voice 8: And you seconded it.

[3:05:48] Voice 8: yeah sure

[3:05:49] Trustee Patrick: if you want to help gibson okay

[3:05:52] Voice 19: so let's just postpone this item until um after

[3:05:57] Voice 19: applications and referrals and uh and that'll give you a chance to consider a motion that's

[3:06:03] Voice 19: all right with everybody okay great so let us continue on then so now we're going to go to item

[3:06:09] Voice 19: 9.1 which i didn't believe is uh planet garbo and planet garbo uh i i would be remiss if i didn't

[3:06:18] Voice 19: acknowledge the work that you've been doing with the task force just to

[3:06:22] Voice 19: advance these important issues for us and I appreciate that work. So over to you.

[3:06:29] Voice 4: Thank you Chair and members of the trustees, members of the community. So essentially for tonight I have five resolutions proposed for the trustees to consider and those five

[3:06:45] Voice 4: The five resolutions reflect the recommendations by the task force, and we'll go through that briefly in a minute.

[3:06:54] Voice 4: And after the resolutions, today's consent is also giving an update on the closing.

[3:07:03] Voice 4: So the first resolution proposed by the task force, as we can see in the package,

[3:07:08] Voice 4: refers to defer enforcement on long-term use of commercial and seasonal accommodation.

[3:07:16] Voice 4: So what staff did is actually just tighten up the language and clarify commercial and long-term use so that it reflects into the actual terms used in the language by law.

[3:07:28] Voice 4: And also define when we say long-term use by the language by law is no more than three years.

[3:07:38] Voice 4: And so we want to extend that. And you can see in the first resolution.

[3:07:44] Voice 4: The second and the third resolution relate to the standing resolution 2021-109 that the

[3:07:54] Voice 4: trustee adopted.

[3:07:55] Voice 4: And essentially what staff proposed, we just made some changes to the wording to address

[3:08:02] Voice 4: both the task force and the law enforcement's concern.

[3:08:06] Voice 4: So basically, some of it is semantics, but it's really referring to the same thing.

[3:08:15] Voice 4: What the task force is concerned about is they don't want to, in clarifying the recommendation,

[3:08:24] Voice 4: staff follow up with the task force, then we have some discussion.

[3:08:28] Voice 4: Our understanding is the task force is concerned about maybe someone will complain, they will be conveniently concerned.

[3:08:35] Voice 4: So in general, what a bylaw enforcement manager explains is that they don't go on property

[3:08:42] Voice 4: and take any actions unless there is clear evidence that there is some health concerns.

[3:08:50] Voice 4: That means that we are proposing the resolution as stated before you on the second line,

[3:08:58] Voice 4: really address their main concern about local trust committee might reach the standing resolution.

[3:09:08] Voice 4: So we clarify by saying local trust committee will only give direction

[3:09:14] Voice 4: to resume enforcement activities on any property that poses risk.

[3:09:20] Voice 4: So it's not just overall they won't be sending resolution on the entire island.

[3:09:25] Voice 4: but it's only on a subject property question that they will act on it so

[3:09:32] Voice 4: again if you can oh thank you so basically that's what we're proposing

[3:09:39] Voice 4: it's really a tweak to the last item and then the third recommendation from the

[3:09:46] Voice 4: task force regarding I'm sorry two and three is the same number four the

[3:09:56] Voice 4: recommendation by the task force relating to expediting process and as a local trust community

[3:10:03] Voice 4: is aware uh before we can do that we will have to request the regional planning team to look at the

[3:10:13] Voice 4: island trust policy and the way we explain in the staff packet is that there is first of all

[3:10:22] Voice 4: there is a administrative policy that talks about first-come first-served and

[3:10:28] Voice 4: there's we need to do some analysis to make sure that it is in line with the

[3:10:33] Voice 4: trust council policy and what if the regional planning team agreed to take

[3:10:39] Voice 4: on this once it's amended when trust council amended that policy then local

[3:10:44] Voice 4: trust committee can direct staff to amend Iowa, Salisbury, Thailand local bylaw

[3:10:51] Voice 4: number 304-1992 and also I think that was the process we need to take so we

[3:11:03] Voice 4: that's why we proposed the fault resolution having said that just so that

[3:11:09] Voice 4: for information LPS local planning services already expedited affordable housing

[3:11:16] Voice 4: application so in practice we are really working very diligently on

[3:11:22] Voice 4: and trying to move those applications forward.

[3:11:24] Voice 4: One of the challenges we're facing is

[3:11:27] Voice 4: there are not a lot of passive advantage

[3:11:29] Voice 4: of the current system and the flexibility zoning

[3:11:34] Voice 4: that was changed a while ago.

[3:11:36] Voice 4: So anyway, we are managing the process less diligently.

[3:11:44] Voice 4: So the last recommendation is regarding the secondary suite

[3:11:49] Voice 4: week and you heard today that there's an emergency on it and staff has been working in the background

[3:11:58] Voice 4: already starting to talk with interested parties and agencies just to make sure they

[3:12:05] Voice 4: collaborate with us and come up with some deep solutions and so we are hoping if possible we'll

[3:12:13] Voice 4: we'll try to bring a report back in December

[3:12:17] Voice 4: if we can do it that quickly.

[3:12:20] Voice 4: But the report will explain what we're proposing

[3:12:23] Voice 4: and hopefully we will have a block.

[3:12:27] Voice 4: So those are the resolutions that we're asking

[3:12:30] Voice 4: the task force to consider,

[3:12:32] Voice 4: sorry, the LTC to consider today.

[3:12:35] Voice 4: And as far as a brief update

[3:12:37] Voice 4: on the public engagement activities

[3:12:39] Voice 4: for the housing task force,

[3:12:42] Voice 4: they are currently looking at the survey

[3:12:44] Voice 4: that staff put together. It has already gone through a few rounds of revision.

[3:12:49] Voice 4: And we have updated our webpage and we will continue to add new information to it.

[3:12:55] Voice 4: We have, as early on mentioned, Trustee Patrick mentioned in support of the, what we call is a coffee with a planer.

[3:13:05] Voice 4: So we want to set up a one hour every Thursday at the library on one week

[3:13:11] Voice 4: and then also soon on the other week just to create more ability for people to talk to us.

[3:13:17] Voice 4: We haven't posted that yet because we just got the green light from the task force.

[3:13:27] Voice 4: And the last item to update you is on impersonation coordination.

[3:13:31] Voice 4: And as LTC recalled after the community to community meeting back in March,

[3:13:37] Voice 4: the trustees, local trust committee, along with the nation's chiefs and council directed staff

[3:13:44] Voice 4: staff to work collaboratively at the staff level, and it took some time, but we finally

[3:13:51] Voice 4: get to have commitment from Cowichan Tribe, Wausau Leadership Council, and also Malahut

[3:14:00] Voice 4: staff to collaborate with us.

[3:14:03] Voice 4: And what they have done so far is actually provided us some of the policies that they

[3:14:08] Voice 4: they have worked with Avenger Addictions

[3:14:10] Voice 4: and for us to utilize both in our OCP

[3:14:14] Voice 4: as well as the area plan.

[3:14:16] Voice 4: So in the background, we are working on the policies

[3:14:19] Voice 4: and with these as well.

[3:14:23] Voice 4: And so with that being said,

[3:14:27] Voice 4: I think that's all the update we have so far

[3:14:30] Voice 4: and hopefully we can kick out the survey early in the year.

[3:14:34] Voice 4: We try not to have the survey vote at the same time

[3:14:39] Voice 4: And the first round of surveys is really straightforward, really simple, we just want to get some

[3:14:46] Voice 4: feedback from you.

[3:14:48] Voice 4: And again, we are also rolling out the secondary suites too, and that has a public engagement

[3:14:54] Voice 4: component.

[3:14:55] Voice 4: So we want to manage those activities so that the community will not have to compete about

[3:15:00] Voice 4: what's going on.

[3:15:03] Voice 4: With that being said, I will be happy to answer any questions.

[3:15:06] Voice 4: I do have one, I guess, consideration for the task force.

[3:15:11] Voice 4: I understand that I wasn't at the last meeting,

[3:15:14] Voice 4: but the LTC actually appointed a trustee

[3:15:19] Voice 4: to be a liaison to the Ganges Village.

[3:15:23] Voice 4: And staff was wondering, would the LTC

[3:15:26] Voice 4: consider another trustee to meet on the housing

[3:15:30] Voice 4: as well to balance the support on both task force?

[3:15:34] Voice 4: that's something to consider which

[3:15:37] Voice 8: is the role i've actually been asked to play so i'm happy to

[3:15:40] Voice 8: start with these motions chair well

[3:15:43] Voice 19: if there's any questions otherwise there are definitely five

[3:15:45] Voice 19: motions here that we can walk

[3:15:46] Voice 8: through let's ask questions as we go through them so i'm going to

[3:15:49] Voice 8: move it sourcing out a local trust committee endorsed the housing action program task force

[3:15:54] Voice 8: recommendation to defer enforcement of residential views and commercial accommodations such as cabins

[3:16:01] Voice 8: and hotels that provide long-term, more than 30 days of residency in order to offer an

[3:16:07] Voice 8: interim solution to the housing needs on Salt Spring Island.

[3:16:10] Trustee Patrick: I'm going to second this for discussion purposes, but Mr. Chair, I'd ask that we could, before,

[3:16:15] Trustee Patrick: that we could just kind of work through these one at a time before throwing the motions

[3:16:18] Trustee Patrick: out.

[3:16:19] Trustee Patrick: I'd like to use the table that's in the staff report starting on page 159.

[3:16:25] Voice 8: 159.

[3:16:26] Voice 8: I put 157 there.

[3:16:28] Voice 19: Yeah, that's the motion.

[3:16:29] Voice 19: So there's a table.

[3:16:30] Voice 19: all uh discussing the process that one does it begin on 159 yeah but

[3:16:37] Voice 8: i am entirely happy with

[3:16:38] Voice 8: all of these recommendations and i'm prepared to move on them oh

[3:16:41] Voice 19: i see so what you're saying

[3:16:42] Voice 19: laura is that this is not it's the same sequence as the well it

[3:16:46] Trustee Patrick: is the same sequence i'm just saying

[3:16:48] Trustee Patrick: it's it's okay and in this case this one's fine to kind of go with the motion but i think some

[3:16:52] Trustee Patrick: of them we should discuss first before putting the motions up that's all oh

[3:16:56] Voice 19: well you're uh up

[3:16:57] Voice 19: for the second one in our normal thing so you can pick the one that you would

[3:17:03] Voice 19: like to advance and let's just try and keep that that's a notion of what what

[3:17:09] Voice 19: the best best order is so so therefore you moved and seconded this motion right

[3:17:13] Voice 19: so is there any discussion or questions of staff on this motion

[3:17:18] Trustee Patrick: I absolutely

[3:17:21] Trustee Patrick: I absolutely support using commercial accommodation for residential use year-round, rather than just in the winter months.

[3:17:34] Trustee Patrick: I know we had talked about, well, I guess this is just deferring accommodation.

[3:17:43] Trustee Patrick: There's no way we can make it an outright use.

[3:17:48] Voice 19: I'm

[3:17:48] Trustee Patrick: having a hard time hearing you.

[3:17:49] Voice 19: There's no way what?

[3:17:50] Trustee Patrick: Make it an outright use.

[3:17:52] Trustee Patrick: Oh, yeah.

[3:17:54] Trustee Patrick: Residential housing and commercial.

[3:17:55] Trustee Patrick: I

[3:17:57] Voice 19: think we're just asking that

[3:17:58] Trustee Patrick: I'm asking a question.

[3:18:02] Voice 19: Oh, I see. So

[3:18:03] Voice 12: that's a question to staff

[3:18:11] Trustee Patrick: But this will in theory achieve the same

[3:18:18] Trustee Patrick: Sorry

[3:18:26] Voice 19: So is there any further questions or shall I call the votes? So it's called the vote all those in favor

[3:18:31] Voice 19: so that carries so trustee Patrick you want to make the second motion I'd like

[3:18:36] Trustee Patrick: to discuss it first before we put the motions out that's typically I thought

[3:18:39] Trustee Patrick: how we proceed so I can

[3:18:43] Voice 19: you go ahead so

[3:18:44] Trustee Patrick: I just wanted to make sure I understand

[3:18:49] Trustee Patrick: that you know that what sustainable housing may sound vague but I mean you

[3:18:53] Trustee Patrick: could get specific and say until there's a safe secure appropriate housing

[3:18:57] Trustee Patrick: options that are affordable for all demographics and household types and

[3:19:01] Trustee Patrick: perpetuity um but that's i guess i understand the concern is that you know what if this gets

[3:19:09] Trustee Patrick: removed and i know we can't legislate through resolutions um but is is this trying to think of

[3:19:23] Trustee Patrick: part of this is a motivator for us to get the work done too um so i just want to make sure that we're

[3:19:32] Trustee Patrick: you know covering that enough does this does this address the issue

[3:19:36] Trustee Patrick: so

[3:19:37] Voice 8: you own them a second motion yes

[3:19:39] Trustee Patrick: looking at the steps that are being made recommendations

[3:19:43] Trustee Patrick: to the standing resolution so

[3:19:46] Voice 19: where's the sustainable housing they

[3:19:48] Trustee Patrick: the recommendation

[3:19:49] Trustee Patrick: from the task force was that that we not lift basically they didn't want the resolution lifted

[3:20:00] Trustee Patrick: until sustainable housing solutions are implemented staff are saying what's sustainable housing

[3:20:06] Trustee Patrick: solutions so we either define what that is and I suggested there are some

[3:20:12] Trustee Patrick: wording we look at and in absence of that does the amendments do enough to

[3:20:19] Trustee Patrick: achieve that that's my question so

[3:20:23] Voice 19: the motion that's on that's in the

[3:20:26] Trustee Patrick: recommendation

[3:20:26] Voice 19: okay so do

[3:20:29] Voice 19: you understand the question

[3:20:34] Voice 19: I think

[3:20:38] Voice 12: what I'm hearing is you're asking us to define sustainable housing solutions

[3:20:43] Voice 12: and we're not, we can't find that at this moment.

[3:20:47] Voice 19: Right.

[3:20:49] Voice 19: And so this is a, I think the question is, is this an adequate motion at this time that

[3:20:55] Voice 19: supports the principle, the idea.

[3:20:59] Voice 19: I think that's why staff made that recommendation.

[3:21:01] Voice 12: Right.

[3:21:01] Voice 12: I'm

[3:21:05] Trustee Patrick: saying I think we could define it okay

[3:21:07] Voice 17: okay

[3:21:08] Trustee Patrick: like I said because I understand the time we

[3:21:11] Trustee Patrick: normally say we put a standing resolution say don't enforce until a certain time yeah and I

[3:21:16] Trustee Patrick: understand that they're well what is that certain time well the certain time is we you know there's

[3:21:21] Trustee Patrick: we've got a serious problem we do not have housing options for the people that need to live on this

[3:21:26] Trustee Patrick: island so then this standing resolution stands until we do have safe secure appropriate

[3:21:35] Trustee Patrick: housing options that are affordable for all demographics and household types in

[3:21:39] Trustee Patrick: perpetuity it's not just fixed it for a little bit

[3:21:43] Trustee Patrick: he fixed it oh

[3:21:45] Voice 19: yeah well that's a good thought although obviously this motion

[3:21:53] Voice 19: would be a standing resolution until the LT decided that it wanted to rescind it

[3:21:57] Voice 13: right

[3:21:57] Voice 19: and then that would be up to the political body at the time to determine

[3:22:03] Voice 19: whether or not there's a necessity to continue

[3:22:05] Voice 19: to do that. I think there'd be

[3:22:08] Voice 19: a public outcry

[3:22:09] Voice 19: if the situation wasn't better

[3:22:12] Voice 19: before you did that.

[3:22:14] Voice 8: This is to deal with the current

[3:22:16] Voice 8: crisis, which is why I do urge

[3:22:18] Voice 8: us to pass it and get on to the next one.

[3:22:21] Trustee Patrick: I know, but I'm just saying

[3:22:23] Trustee Patrick: there was the Windsor getting lifted

[3:22:25] Trustee Patrick: part that's not dealt with.

[3:22:29] Voice 19: Yeah, except the

[3:22:30] Voice 19: women of LTC.

[3:22:32] Voice 8: But that's always the case.

[3:22:36] Voice 8: There are no guarantees.

[3:22:39] Voice 8: as dr henry would say she would say no this is not this nothing is forever well

[3:22:46] Voice 19: it's a step in

[3:22:46] Voice 19: the right direction um i think trustees patrick's question is a valid question i don't think we know

[3:22:53] Voice 19: the answer to that

[3:22:58] Voice 18: you're saying we should know the answer

[3:23:00] Trustee Patrick: well no i'm not just saying how are

[3:23:01] Trustee Patrick: you offended by those words until there's safe secure appropriate housing options that are

[3:23:05] Trustee Patrick: affordable for all demographics and household types and

[3:23:08] Voice 19: perpetuity that's a different question

[3:23:11] Voice 19: Well, you know, Trustee Patrick, if you want to make that motion and include those words,

[3:23:17] Voice 19: that's up to you, but it's still, it doesn't change the whim of the next LTC to rescind it.

[3:23:27] Voice 19: So, yeah, I think the wording is inconsequential.

[3:23:33] Voice 19: It's the actions that are important.

[3:23:35] Voice 19: Well,

[3:23:36] Trustee Patrick: I would argue no, because we're trying to also help communicate to the public as

[3:23:42] Trustee Patrick: to what we're trying to achieve, and that

[3:23:44] Trustee Patrick: we always think of things as band-aids, and

[3:23:47] Trustee Patrick: I know that's, we're trying to move beyond band-aids.

[3:23:51] Voice 13: We

[3:23:52] Trustee Patrick: want a healthy, diverse community in perpetuity, and our current rules and the current behavior

[3:24:00] Trustee Patrick: of society are on a path that's not working

[3:24:05] Voice 13: so

[3:24:07] Trustee Patrick: sure I'll try it all attempt

[3:24:09] Voice 19: to maybe I just say I think that housing task force understands that and is

[3:24:14] Voice 19: grappling with that and I'm hopeful that maybe there will be more to come from

[3:24:19] Voice 19: the task force that won't help us in that because I agree with you your

[3:24:24] Voice 18: principal approach is all

[3:24:28] Trustee Patrick: right well I'll try to make that amendment then I

[3:24:31] Trustee Patrick: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:24:33] Trustee Patrick: endorse the Housing Action Program's

[3:24:35] Trustee Patrick: task force recommendation

[3:24:36] Trustee Patrick: to amend standing resolution SS 2021-109

[3:24:40] Trustee Patrick: to state that enforcement activities

[3:24:42] Trustee Patrick: will be deferred for all unlawful dwellings

[3:24:45] Trustee Patrick: being used for residential purposes

[3:24:49] Trustee Patrick: until there are safe, secure, appropriate housing options

[3:24:56] Trustee Patrick: that are affordable for all demographics

[3:24:58] Trustee Patrick: graphics, and household types in perpetuity, except in the following circumstances.

[3:25:08] Trustee Patrick: Boy, that sounds scary.

[3:25:10] Trustee Patrick: There are concerns regarding health and safety.

[3:25:13] Trustee Patrick: There are concerns that sewage is not being disposed of in approved septic or sewage disposal

[3:25:18] Trustee Patrick: system.

[3:25:20] Trustee Patrick: There are concerns that septic or sewage disposal systems are being used in excess of capacity

[3:25:25] Trustee Patrick: or ability as a result of unlawful dwellings.

[3:25:29] Trustee Patrick: there are concerns of possible contamination of wells or other drinking water sources

[3:25:34] Trustee Patrick: unlawful dwellings are in environmental sensitive areas there are non-permitted campgrounds and that

[3:25:41] Trustee Patrick: the salt spring island local trust committee may give direction to resume enforcement activities

[3:25:44] Trustee Patrick: on any property that poses risk to health and safety of the neighboring residents and residents

[3:25:51] Trustee Patrick: on the property in question.

[3:25:58] Voice 8: So moved. Do I have a seconder?

[3:26:00] Voice 8: I will be wishing

[3:26:02] Voice 8: to amend that, but is it

[3:26:04] Voice 8: better to get this on the table

[3:26:06] Voice 8: and then

[3:26:06] Voice 19: amend it? So let's get it on the table

[3:26:08] Voice 8: and then I'll second it.

[3:26:11] Voice 19: So Laura, do you want

[3:26:12] Voice 19: to speak further to the motion?

[3:26:14] Trustee Patrick: No, I think we've discussed it.

[3:26:16] Voice 19: So with regards to the motion, does anybody

[3:26:18] Voice 19: want to speak to the motion?

[3:26:20] Voice 19: And I certainly would, and then I would certainly

[3:26:23] Voice 19: entertain an amendment, if you would.

[3:26:26] Voice 8: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good motion. I mean, it really does reflect what's actually in place now.

[3:26:37] Voice 8: So having said that, Laura, I can't agree with the bit that you added, because I think that's sort of a Nirvana state.

[3:26:45] Voice 8: I don't think we'll ever get there, quite frankly. And I just, those are just words.

[3:26:49] Voice 8: And I don't believe in adding words for the sake of words or trying to placate people

[3:26:56] Voice 8: I mean, I think we all know what they're trying to do, but to say

[3:27:01] Voice 8: until until the sun shines forever

[3:27:05] Voice 8: is

[3:27:07] Voice 8: Doesn't make sense to me. So I can't agree with your change. So my amendment would be to remove

[3:27:14] Voice 8: the words you just added

[3:27:20] Voice 19: So then my remarks then, before you jump in and make an amendment, is I actually don't

[3:27:30] Voice 19: think that it's just, you know, I want to be careful about what I say because I never

[3:27:34] Voice 19: like to offend people, but I

[3:27:35] Voice 19: don't think it's gratuitous.

[3:27:37] Voice 19: I think that it potentially sends a strong message to a future LTC that we want to fix

[3:27:45] Voice 19: this, and it's principled in its own way.

[3:27:48] Voice 19: and and I think that the task force used those words purposefully because they

[3:27:55] Voice 19: want everybody to recognize that it's significant and I think that for me

[3:28:02] Voice 17: anyway

[3:28:02] Voice 19: the notion would be as if an LTC is considering rescinding this

[3:28:07] Voice 19: resolution so they would have to take those words into consideration that they

[3:28:11] Voice 19: giving up on that grandiose let's call it grandiose idea and that would I think

[3:28:19] Voice 19: be problematic and so and that said that even this LTC could rescind this if

[3:28:25] Voice 19: we're all of a sudden it became impractical to advance this is just a

[3:28:31] Voice 19: standing resolution which is telling us to not to defer proportionate activities

[3:28:42] Voice 19: and we can modify it we don't have to rescind it we can modify it again in the

[3:28:47] Voice 19: future so I would support retain those words to respect the strong message we

[3:28:53] Voice 19: received from the task force and indeed what has been an amazing number of

[3:28:58] Voice 19: emails and phone calls that I've received in

[3:29:01] Voice 18: the last couple of days with

[3:29:02] Voice 18: respect to support for the task forces what

[3:29:05] Voice 8: what would you say and we are

[3:29:07] Voice 8: support we are supporting this motion which is what has been produced by the

[3:29:12] Voice 8: the task force, so Laura's additional wording is additional.

[3:29:17] Voice 8: Having said that, I mean...

[3:29:18] Voice 19: No, that is the wording from the task force.

[3:29:20] Trustee Patrick: The task force asked for sustainable housing.

[3:29:23] Trustee Patrick: Oh, I see.

[3:29:23] Voice 8: And they couldn't define it.

[3:29:25] Voice 8: Peter, you convinced me, and I think that's fine, and so I'm happy to support this motion.

[3:29:34] Voice 19: So how about I call the vote?

[3:29:35] Voice 19: Yes.

[3:29:35] Voice 19: All those in favor?

[3:29:37] Voice 19: Very good.

[3:29:38] Voice 19: Unanimously.

[3:29:39] Voice 19: Very good.

[3:29:39] Voice 19: on um so peter i'd like for you to take the second the third motion but uh laura i want to ask you if

[3:29:45] Voice 19: you think there's a better motion to advance well

[3:29:47] Trustee Patrick: i'd like to discuss that um i i the question i

[3:29:54] Trustee Patrick: mean i i wasn't at the meeting and so i don't know that the all of the what was behind

[3:30:00] Trustee Patrick: question about from the task force about accelerating or prioritizing

[3:30:05] Trustee Patrick: applications to me the the work we can do more than simply prioritizing an

[3:30:12] Trustee Patrick: application you know if we're trying to facilitate and move affordable housing

[3:30:22] Trustee Patrick: applications through the process from from before there's an application the

[3:30:29] Trustee Patrick: the beginnings of a project through,

[3:30:32] Trustee Patrick: I just look at the opportunities.

[3:30:33] Trustee Patrick: Islands Trust just received a very significant grant

[3:30:36] Trustee Patrick: upwards of almost $400,000

[3:30:38] Trustee Patrick: to improve its application processing system.

[3:30:44] Trustee Patrick: And part of that funding was put out

[3:30:47] Trustee Patrick: because of the portable housing.

[3:30:48] Trustee Patrick: So there is something there

[3:30:52] Trustee Patrick: that's beyond just prioritizing.

[3:30:57] Trustee Patrick: and there may be other things we could do as an organization to facilitate, you know,

[3:31:05] Trustee Patrick: sort of the speed and quality of the applications through the process.

[3:31:08] Trustee Patrick: So, you know, dedicating planners and, you know, being more involved in it.

[3:31:17] Trustee Patrick: And so that's the thing.

[3:31:18] Trustee Patrick: I just want it.

[3:31:19] Trustee Patrick: So to me it's not just do we prioritize or not an application.

[3:31:24] Trustee Patrick: Is there more we can do?

[3:31:26] Trustee Patrick: and so that that's my question so just all right so if we only send the message to the regional

[3:31:33] Trustee Patrick: planning committee that we're just asking about prioritizing i think the question could be deeper

[3:31:39] Voice 8: what would it look like

[3:31:41] Trustee Patrick: more than prioritizing uh trust not just expediting so it's houses that

[3:31:49] Trustee Patrick: support um

[3:31:51] Voice 19: and so could you just say and after applications and streamlining applications

[3:31:57] Voice 19: applications, processes to facilitate affordable housing, I can see what you're getting at,

[3:32:05] Voice 19: to expand upon that.

[3:32:07] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, it's not just simply make this application more important than that application.

[3:32:13] Trustee Patrick: It's the whole process.

[3:32:15] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[3:32:26] Trustee Patrick: So it's not...

[3:32:28] Voice 8: Facilitate is the word, I think.

[3:32:33] Voice 8: To me

[3:32:34] Voice 8: it's more than

[3:32:35] Trustee Patrick: just necessary amendments to trust-wide policies, it's trust-wide policies,

[3:32:40] Trustee Patrick: policies, trust-wise staffing levels, trust-wise support. It's more than just fixing a policy.

[3:32:46] Trustee Patrick: That's what I think of. That's where the wording is getting. I'm looking at the recommended

[3:32:50] Trustee Patrick: amendment.

[3:32:52] Trustee Patrick: Should

[3:32:52] Voice 19: it be that support systems to expedite? We're jumping out there.

[3:32:57] Trustee Patrick: Yeah. I think it's just to take that part to consider the supports. I think it is. Consider

[3:33:12] Trustee Patrick: considered the supports for expediting and, that's not resourcing, but I feel like it's expediting, so just, yeah, so just remove the necessary amendments to trust policies out of that, because it allows us to look at more.

[3:33:41] Voice 19: Okay, so you want to read that out loud so Sarah

[3:33:43] Trustee Patrick: can get it?

[3:33:43] Voice 19: I'll

[3:33:43] Trustee Patrick: take that motion.

[3:33:44] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so I'm just gonna drop some words there.

[3:33:47] Trustee Patrick: So I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:33:49] Trustee Patrick: endorse the Housing Action Program Task Force Recommendation

[3:33:53] Trustee Patrick: request staff or a request to the Islands Trust

[3:33:56] Trustee Patrick: regional planning team to consider,

[3:34:00] Trustee Patrick: drop all those words out,

[3:34:03] Trustee Patrick: support for expediting rezoning applications

[3:34:06] Trustee Patrick: for affordable housing.

[3:34:08] Voice 19: Trust slide.

[3:34:11] Voice 19: I think that's a given because the committee

[3:34:13] Voice 19: is a regional committee.

[3:34:17] Voice 8: That

[3:34:18] Voice 18: sounds good to me. Did you get that Sarah? Sarah got it. Magic.

[3:34:22] Voice 8: And I'll second that.

[3:34:24] Voice 18: Seconded. Any further

[3:34:25] Voice 19: discussion? All those in favour? That's two carries. Good work.

[3:34:33] Voice 19: Where are we at? Number four?

[3:34:34] Voice 8: So Laura, have you got concerns with four?

[3:34:38] Trustee Patrick: Sorry.

[3:34:38] Trustee Patrick: What's that?

[3:34:39] Trustee Patrick: Sorry, I did a lot of research.

[3:34:41] Voice 8: That's

[3:34:41] Voice 13: okay, you didn't have to apologise.

[3:34:42] Trustee Patrick: Uh, so this one is amending the, this wouldn't, does this need to happen?

[3:34:54] Voice 8: Because it's already happened.

[3:34:56] Trustee Patrick: Because, no, we just asked, we removed the above one.

[3:34:59] Trustee Patrick: Is this now, is this redundant because of the motion?

[3:35:03] Trustee Patrick: So I don't think, this one's redundant because we just asked, we generalized the

[3:35:11] Voice 18: one above it.

[3:35:14] Voice 18: Well,

[3:35:14] Voice 19: I still think that the last, the second after the comma,

[3:35:24] Voice 19: to expedite applications to support their development of affordable housing would still

[3:35:29] Voice 19: be a necessary step in the event that there's enhancements that become available.

[3:35:37] Voice 19: I wouldn't say that's going to happen immediately, but it could happen in the future.

[3:35:41] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:35:42] Voice 8: Yeah, Chris, yeah.

[3:35:45] Voice 19: Regional Planner, Mr. Mack, do you have some thoughts?

[3:35:47] Voice 19: I can see the steam coming out there.

[3:35:50] Voice 19: Wheels are turning.

[3:35:52] Voice 12: Yeah, I think you're both correct.

[3:35:54] Voice 12: I think, you know, you could leave it in there

[3:35:56] Voice 12: as sort of like a standing resolution

[3:35:58] Voice 12: that when the above resolution that we just made

[3:36:01] Voice 12: gets addressed that we can turn around

[3:36:03] Voice 12: and draw our attention to file off 304.

[3:36:06] Voice 12: So

[3:36:07] Voice 19: perhaps it could be

[3:36:08] Voice 12: when the opportunity arises.

[3:36:10] Voice 12: When the opportunity arises,

[3:36:11] Voice 12: but I do think you could also see it

[3:36:13] Voice 12: that's being sandwiched within your last resolution okay

[3:36:17] Trustee Patrick: to me it's taken care of

[3:36:19] Trustee Patrick: by the previous resolution so

[3:36:21] Voice 19: how would you like to make or consider a motion so

[3:36:24] Voice 8: i i agree with

[3:36:26] Voice 8: you laura i think it is um taking care of number three so unless there's a compelling reason that's

[3:36:31] Voice 8: not going to work so

[3:36:32] Voice 19: then let's move to the next one so

[3:36:34] Voice 8: i'll move the sourcing island local trust

[3:36:36] Voice 8: committee endorse the housing action program task force's recommendation and request staff to report

[3:36:40] Voice 8: report back on potential bylaw amendments to permit secondary suites in all zones.

[3:36:46] Trustee Patrick: I will second that for discussion purposes, but this one I want to talk about.

[3:36:50] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so

[3:36:51] Voice 19: seconded, and that Trustee Patrick.

[3:36:53] Voice 8: Trustee Groh, do you want to speak to it? No, I think

[3:36:57] Voice 8: it's worked well. I'm not sure if it's realistic

[3:37:01] Voice 8: to be honest. I know

[3:37:02] Voice 8: that suites are now

[3:37:05] Voice 8: legal in over 70% of the island, if you include

[3:37:09] Voice 8: to the ALR suites that are allowed.

[3:37:13] Voice 8: But having said that, I think it's a worthy goal.

[3:37:20] Voice 8: And I wish it included the words and cottages,

[3:37:24] Voice 8: but that should be done separately if it's done at all.

[3:37:29] Voice 8: But anyhow, it's a worthy goal, and I

[3:37:31] Voice 8: think it needs to be explored.

[3:37:34] Voice 19: Yeah, and so cottages for rental

[3:37:37] Voice 19: purposes,

[3:37:38] Voice 19: we want to be careful there.

[3:37:39] Voice 19: But Laura, Patrick, do you wish to speak to the motion?

[3:37:42] Voice 19: Well,

[3:37:42] Trustee Patrick: I think, to me, it's suites and suites and accessory buildings need to be combined.

[3:37:48] Trustee Patrick: I've talked to so many people, and I look at even my own.

[3:37:51] Trustee Patrick: There's, like, my house, we built a house that we only fit in.

[3:37:55] Trustee Patrick: We can't put a suite in our house.

[3:37:57] Trustee Patrick: But, man, if we had a garage, we could put a suite in the garage.

[3:38:01] Trustee Patrick: And I've heard from a lot of people that have garages that are like, I'd put a suite in there, minute flat.

[3:38:07] Trustee Patrick: lot and um and i can you know because a lot of the houses weren't necessary you know some of

[3:38:14] Trustee Patrick: them have basements or you know that they may or may not have the space so i think allowing

[3:38:19] Trustee Patrick: accessory dwelling units um is important and the other piece to this is i i agree we are hunting

[3:38:29] Trustee Patrick: for landlords we're hunting for people who are willing to do this on their property um and

[3:38:37] Trustee Patrick: And there's only so many people that are willing to do that.

[3:38:41] Trustee Patrick: There's a thousand reasons why not.

[3:38:44] Trustee Patrick: But we want to find those hundred folks that are on the island that are willing to do it,

[3:38:49] Trustee Patrick: either have the buildings in place or wherewithal to do that.

[3:38:52] Trustee Patrick: And I've talked to a lot of people that would be willing,

[3:38:56] Trustee Patrick: especially the accessory units, to make those into rentals.

[3:39:01] Trustee Patrick: So I think we need to find a way, be a bit more creative in the writing.

[3:39:08] Trustee Patrick: Instead of trying to write a bylaw that maps it down to these limited places,

[3:39:17] Trustee Patrick: that if we could structure the bylaw in such a way that you could even cap a bylaw,

[3:39:23] Trustee Patrick: that this is only good for the first X number of people if you're really worried about that.

[3:39:29] Trustee Patrick: because you know here we are eight years into it

[3:39:32] Trustee Patrick: me and how many suites have been

[3:39:34] Trustee Patrick: built maybe 300 lots but how many have been built maybe a couple yeah

[3:39:40] Voice 8: so we

[3:39:43] Trustee Patrick: need to cast that net and so that's what I'd like to see is that this this rule

[3:39:47] Trustee Patrick: this this bylaw the suites and include accessory the

[3:39:54] Voice 19: report we're looking for

[3:39:58] Voice 19: And

[3:39:58] Trustee Patrick: that we maximize,

[3:40:00] Voice 19: well,

[3:40:01] Trustee Patrick: I wouldn't even say, I don't want to report, I said draft, but I'm saying we're into

[3:40:04] Trustee Patrick: drafting, but write something that is, you know, that it contains the limitations or steps that need to be considered without mapping, without limiting, because that's so important.

[3:40:20] Voice 8: If I may, that's why we've got in all zones. So all we need is secondary suites in homes and in secondary buildings.

[3:40:36] Trustee Patrick: I just feel that we need to give some clear direction to staff that we're trying not to

[3:40:43] Trustee Patrick: do overwork the limitations are there, just because they were hunting for landlords.

[3:40:50] Trustee Patrick: But water, everything that we're concerned about could be addressed in the suite by-law.

[3:40:54] Trustee Patrick: The fact that you have to have a housing agreement or even a voluntary 219, section 219 land title to not strata and all these things.

[3:41:05] Trustee Patrick: I've read so many suite bylaws from all these different areas.

[3:41:13] Trustee Patrick: How we could take care of that?

[3:41:14] Voice 8: Sorry, I think we can do that quite easily.

[3:41:17] Voice 8: You think that's correct?

[3:41:18] Voice 8: Yeah, I just want to include a second piece of the bill.

[3:41:20] Trustee Patrick: Do we want to report back or do you want them just to draft the potential bylaws?

[3:41:28] Voice 12: I don't want to be the downer, but I do learn caution that secondary suites and accessory

[3:41:35] Voice 12: dwelling units are two very different things, and that one is relatively straightforward

[3:41:40] Voice 12: to secondary suites, and since it's quick action, the accessory dwelling units is more

[3:41:46] Voice 12: for conversation.

[3:41:48] Voice 12: Going to why the OCP says that, I think it's an inevitable goal of the LTC to do.

[3:41:53] Voice 12: I think the Housing Action Task Force has made that clear, but if you put that sort of baggage into the secondary suites,

[3:42:00] Voice 12: you may not get it for cash.

[3:42:02] Voice 12: So that's my only question.

[3:42:03] Voice 12: Go for it if you want to do it, but that's my only question.

[3:42:05] Voice 8: Well, let's just make it a separate motion.

[3:42:08] Voice 8: You

[3:42:09] Voice 19: can do whatever you want.

[3:42:12] Voice 19: We're asking for, well, although Laura would like to see a draft, but we're ostensibly asking for a report,

[3:42:18] Voice 19: and you can tell us that in the report.

[3:42:20] Voice 19: sure but if you want to expedite it and go to a draft that's it I think you need

[3:42:25] Voice 19: making it simpler is better and it could be two separate motions

[3:42:30] Trustee Patrick: it's only report

[3:42:33] Trustee Patrick: it's not going to be yeah

[3:42:35] Voice 8: the let's just let's just have a separate

[3:42:37] Trustee Patrick: I do a

[3:42:41] Voice 8: separate report that emotion but I didn't care but it was easier of course

[3:42:46] Voice 8: you care whatever's easier

[3:42:47] Trustee Patrick: I'll move to amend this motion to add and accessory

[3:42:55] Trustee Patrick: dwelling units suites and suites in accessory dwelling units after

[3:43:01] Trustee Patrick: secondary suites so so that it would read potential bylaw amendments to

[3:43:07] Trustee Patrick: permit secondary suites and secondary suites in accessory dwelling units in

[3:43:15] Trustee Patrick: all zones.

[3:43:16] Voice 8: Okay, I support that.

[3:43:19] Voice 18: Let's see if Sarah got that.

[3:43:23] Voice 19: I'm going to get her to read it back.

[3:43:32] Voice 4: I'm going to try

[3:43:44] Voice 19: to contain the discussion today.

[3:43:47] Voice 8: If everybody wants to chime in

[3:43:49] Voice 19: on that language, it would get to be quite a process.

[3:43:54] Voice 19: Thank you for your

[3:43:55] Voice 13: remarks. That's okay.

[3:43:57] Voice 19: Okay, just didn't want everybody's hand to go on.

[3:44:02] Voice 19: You want to read that back?

[3:44:03] Voice 4: Well, I think you're adding and accessory dwelling units following secondary suites?

[3:44:09] Voice 4: Yes.

[3:44:10] Voice 4: Okay, I can read that back.

[3:44:11] Voice 13: The

[3:44:12] Voice 4: Salisbury-Hallam Local Trust may endorse the Housing Action Program Task Force's recommendation

[3:44:17] Voice 4: and request staff to report back on a

[3:44:19] Voice 6: potential by-law amendment

[3:44:21] Voice 6: to permit secondary suites and accessory dwelling units in halls only.

[3:44:28] Voice 19: Is that correct?

[3:44:29] Voice 19: Yeah.

[3:44:29] Voice 19: Okay. And so that's an amendment. The motion was already made. So that's an amendment now

[3:44:37] Voice 19: to the motion. So we've got a seconder for the amendments.

[3:44:42] Voice 18: Okay. And so, um, is there

[3:44:45] Voice 18: any discussion on the amendment? Yes. Go ahead.

[3:44:47] Trustee Patrick: Um, I understand that, you know, we're trying

[3:44:54] Trustee Patrick: to find quick wins and find the things that will work the best, but we also need, you

[3:44:58] Trustee Patrick: you know, look, eight years ago, we created a suite by law that's had basically no uptake.

[3:45:04] Trustee Patrick: So we need to understand why.

[3:45:06] Trustee Patrick: Yes, the moratorium whacked a whole bunch out of there,

[3:45:09] Trustee Patrick: but what else is preventing that, and what kind of housing will people live in?

[3:45:15] Trustee Patrick: And if it is the secondary accessory buildings that are dwelling units

[3:45:20] Trustee Patrick: that would have a higher potential uptake,

[3:45:23] Trustee Patrick: then maybe it will be harder to do but it will have more impact in the

[3:45:29] Trustee Patrick: community and create

[3:45:30] Trustee Patrick: more houses good so

[3:45:32] Trustee Patrick: I like you know speed isn't always our

[3:45:35] Trustee Patrick: friend but we're

[3:45:37] Voice 8: still happy with this motion

[3:46:00] Voice 12: So it's just it's you can remove the term secondary suites from your resolution to say accessory dwelling units, and it would achieve the same

[3:46:09] Voice 12: And that would

[3:46:11] Voice 12: Meet the same an intent right so if you're saying that this helps me not local just to be endorsed housing action program task force's

[3:46:18] Voice 12: Recommendation and request after we report back to potential file amendments to permit accessory dwelling units in all of the buildings

[3:46:25] Voice 12: zones you know in a

[3:46:27] Voice 12: more effective way for staff to investigate all the things you're talking about

[3:46:31] Voice 12: it just sounds fun accessories is

[3:46:34] Voice 12: that what you said that's what that's what i'm hearing

[3:46:37] Voice 12: you talk about using all forms of dwelling like any accessory so

[3:46:43] Voice 19: i have to be clear what you're

[3:46:45] Voice 19: recommending as we drop the word secondary i'm

[3:46:48] Voice 12: following your lead and say accessory

[3:46:52] Voice 19: Dwell in you.

[3:46:53] Voice 12: Right.

[3:46:54] Voice 12: Which would include secondary suites.

[3:46:55] Voice 12: Would include .

[3:46:56] Voice 12: That makes complete sense to me.

[3:46:59] Voice 12: Well,

[3:47:00] Trustee Patrick: I consider that a friendly amendment to strike that.

[3:47:03] Trustee Patrick: Secondary does.

[3:47:04] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[3:47:05] Voice 19: Okay.

[3:47:05] Voice 19: So you got that fair?

[3:47:07] Voice 4: That's a good one.

[3:47:08] Voice 4: Thanks.

[3:47:08] Voice 4: You're replacing secondary suites with accessory dwell in you.

[3:47:11] Voice 19: Yeah.

[3:47:13] Voice 19: Because accessory embraces secondary suites.

[3:47:16] Voice 19: Thank you, Stefan.

[3:47:16] Voice 19: That's a good suggestion.

[3:47:17] Voice 19: Okay.

[3:47:18] Voice 19: Good.

[3:47:19] Voice 19: So this is now the amendment.

[3:47:21] Voice 19: So I call for the vote on the amendment.

[3:47:23] Voice 19: amendment all those in favor that carries now we're back to the main

[3:47:26] Voice 19: motion as amended is there any further discussion I

[3:47:31] Trustee Patrick: do have a question that was

[3:47:32] Trustee Patrick: a good point you brought up so it's the OCP that has defined the secondary suite

[3:47:41] Trustee Patrick: as a dwelling unit is that maybe that's outside of another motion but I know I

[3:47:49] Trustee Patrick: when I went and read the secondary suite and accessory building suite bylaws and

[3:47:56] Trustee Patrick: lots of other jurisdictions and some of them say these will not count as as

[3:48:05] Trustee Patrick: densities so are we counting these as you know is it something we why do we

[3:48:10] Trustee Patrick: count them as densities already?

[3:48:12] Voice 12: No, not secondary

[3:48:14] Voice 12: suites. We call them dwelling units because of the nature of the constituents and the class and the

[3:48:24] Voice 12: Okay,

[3:48:25] Trustee Patrick: good. As long as it doesn't count for density, that was my concern. Great.

[3:48:29] Trustee Patrick: Okay,

[3:48:29] Voice 19: so then I'll call for the vote on the amended motion. All those in favor? That carries. Brilliant.

[3:48:38] Voice 19: Is there any more work on this housing action?

[3:48:50] Voice 19: Yes,

[3:48:50] Voice 8: I would like to fly a balloon with regard to cottages.

[3:48:54] Voice 8: I don't know why we're ignoring cottages.

[3:48:56] Voice 8: I know the last time we went through this we went through a brilliant exercise,

[3:49:01] Voice 8: which I saw which allowed us to add 400 properties on the island

[3:49:09] Voice 8: for legalized cottages based upon the official community plan.

[3:49:14] Voice 8: But I'd like to find ways around that.

[3:49:17] Voice 8: I would like to allow colleges seasonal colleges well

[3:49:23] Voice 19: let's ask region

[3:49:25] Voice 19: planning manager Cermak here about

[3:49:26] Voice 8: the definition which

[3:49:27] Voice 19: we've just talked about

[3:49:28] Voice 19: our

[3:49:28] Voice 8: cottage is included in accessory buildings yeah so the colleges would be

[3:49:34] Voice 8: included yeah so the existing seasonal colleges that will be covered digital

[3:49:38] Voice 14: I just

[3:49:38] Voice 8: told staff to draft by-law options, too, which would have to go to the LTC secondary

[3:49:45] Voice 8: to permit the use of senior colleges.

[3:49:49] Voice 8: Okay, so you will address that. Good, thank you. That's great.

[3:49:52] Voice 8: That covers my notes.

[3:49:54] Voice 19: Okay, I've got a little whisper in my ear. Thank you very much, Sheriff, for keeping us on track in so many ways.

[3:50:02] Voice 19: About this LTC making an appointment to the Housing Task Force,

[3:50:06] Voice 19: we should do that formally so that you're good

[3:50:12] Trustee Patrick: okay I

[3:50:16] Trustee Patrick: did have a meeting

[3:50:17] Trustee Patrick: with Stefan and director Marla and actually he advised against the he

[3:50:23] Trustee Patrick: thought the liaison position was not a good idea because it should be the whole

[3:50:28] Trustee Patrick: whole trust committee that speaks to the task forces not allies so that was so

[3:50:38] Voice 19: that's interesting because the conundrum is is we have point liaisons to special

[3:50:45] Voice 19: entities

[3:50:46] Voice 19: and

[3:50:48] Voice 12: you know the discussions are left you know maybe we see the idea of having

[3:50:58] Voice 12: the liaison but having the chair as uh ronan's here uh comes and speaks to the ltc as a as the

[3:51:05] Voice 12: chair and giving a progress update and including that as a standing item in the uh the ltc agenda

[3:51:12] Voice 12: package and inviting the chairs to report a more regular business in the public forum so that you

[3:51:16] Voice 12: have that is your working together as opposed to having that's a good idea works

[3:51:21] Voice 19: for me yeah

[3:51:22] Voice 12: Good

[3:51:23] Voice 19: explanation. Thank you, sir.

[3:51:25] Voice 19: And I'm

[3:51:25] Voice 12: going to go in for demonstrating.

[3:51:28] Voice 19: Yeah, indeed. Okay.

[3:51:30] Voice 19: Any further work on housing action program?

[3:51:33] Voice 19: Do

[3:51:33] Trustee Patrick: you want to rescind my liaison appointment or not right now?

[3:51:36] Trustee Patrick: You

[3:51:36] Voice 19: can do it by general consent.

[3:51:38] Trustee Patrick: I'm happy with the general consent.

[3:51:41] Trustee Patrick: I'll let the chair ask that.

[3:51:42] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[3:51:43] Voice 19: So let's move on then.

[3:51:46] Voice 19: And thank you everybody for your warm thanks on the work that just happened.

[3:51:53] Voice 19: so new business items is our next item the first one is 17.1.1 was pointed out by julian clark

[3:52:02] Voice 19: he's been waiting for this options for the local trust committee input into consultation plans for

[3:52:10] Voice 19: telecommunications powers um it looks like planner mage is here to help us with this thank you

[3:52:16] Voice 19: planner maze not an easy file i know that um i'll turn it over to you to introduce it all right um

[3:52:23] Voice 4: So this is one of two items that's considering the issue of telecommunications power in Fulton, France.

[3:52:30] Voice 4: So this report was co-authored with Planner Gary Warden, who is over here.

[3:52:36] Voice 4: So thanks.

[3:52:37] Voice 4: And so this report isn't providing options to the Fulton, France Board of Trustees to provide early input into the public consultation plans of proponents proposing to locate telecommunications power in Fulton, France.

[3:52:50] Voice 4: So this report is following direction from the LTC at their August 31st meeting, where staff are directed to report background options to the LTC to provide that early input, and that resolution is there on the screen.

[3:53:07] Voice 4: So the report that was provided to the LTC explores various issues and opportunities, including land use regulations consultation, the model strategy for antenna systems, and recommended amendments for the model strategy for antenna systems.

[3:53:23] Voice 4: So on March 14th, 2019, the Islands Trust Council adopted its reconciliation declaration, which strengthens its commitment to establish and maintain mutually respected relationships between Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples.

[3:53:38] Voice 4: The 2018 model strategy for our town systems does not meet the consultation requirements or provisions, nor does it encompass considerations for funders for cultural and sacred sites.

[3:53:48] Voice 4: As such, staff are recommending that the LTC request a regional planning committee to edit

[3:53:54] Voice 4: out antenna system sighting for fault of their work program to include those consultation

[3:53:59] Voice 4: requirements for first nations and include those items considered, as well as requirements

[3:54:05] Voice 4: prior to adoption of the consultation process.

[3:54:08] Voice 4: Additionally, staff are recommending that the LTC Board read PC's comments from their

[3:54:12] Voice 4: July 11th, 2019, as well as January 23rd, 2018, and myself and Jody Gordon are here

[3:54:21] Voice 4: to answer some questions.

[3:54:24] Voice 8: Sorry, Christine, what were you reading from, from your report here?

[3:54:28] Voice 8: Were you just reading from your report?

[3:54:30] Voice 4: No.

[3:54:31] Voice 4: Well, I was reading my presentation, but that was the...

[3:54:33] Voice 4: Oh, okay.

[3:54:34] Voice 8: That's fine.

[3:54:34] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:54:37] Voice 19: So, trustees, do you have any actions or considerations?

[3:54:45] Trustee Patrick: Of course, I support asking the Regional Planning Committee, whatever their name is, to

[3:54:51] Trustee Patrick: fix

[3:54:53] Trustee Patrick: the model by-law, seeing that it had a major oversight, and I think they should have a

[3:54:58] Trustee Patrick: way of updating all model by-laws as we learn and progress.

[3:55:03] Trustee Patrick: My other question would be, is there any way, not that towers come in quickly, but they

[3:55:11] Trustee Patrick: They do seem to come quick at them from time to time.

[3:55:15] Trustee Patrick: Could we not have a standing resolution

[3:55:17] Trustee Patrick: to impose the levels of consultation

[3:55:21] Trustee Patrick: that's recommended in the model by law

[3:55:23] Trustee Patrick: in addition to protection of cultural and sacred sites

[3:55:28] Trustee Patrick: in the First Nations?

[3:55:29] Trustee Patrick: Could we not cover it with a standing resolution too

[3:55:32] Trustee Patrick: in case next week, fly-by-night tower company comes in

[3:55:37] Trustee Patrick: and wants to put another tower in?

[3:55:41] Trustee Patrick: That's my only concern, because I don't know how long it will take to get the answer correct.

[3:55:48] Voice 12: I suppose you could, but staff obviously haven't put any time into drafting that, so the office is looking for that.

[3:55:57] Voice 12: Staff are arguing about how much time we've spent on these files, and I'm going to stress that this is an easy way for us to move it, keep it moving, so that's one of the reasons we also chose that.

[3:56:15] Trustee Patrick: Maybe I'll just add a standing resolution request to report back after

[3:56:19] Voice 19: this.

[3:56:21] Voice 19: That's a good step, yeah.

[3:56:27] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead.

[3:56:29] Trustee Patrick: I move that the South Spring Island Local Trust Committee request the Regional Planning Committee

[3:56:32] Trustee Patrick: add antenna system residing protocol to the Regional Planning Committee work program

[3:56:38] Trustee Patrick: to include First Nations consultation requirements, cultural and sacred sites siting requirements,

[3:56:43] Trustee Patrick: and consideration of the South Spring Island Advisory Planning Commission recommendations.

[3:56:47] Voice 8: That's seconded.

[3:56:52] Voice 19: Okay, moved and seconded.

[3:56:53] Voice 19: any further discussion then i'll call for the vote all those in favor that carries and then

[3:57:03] Trustee Patrick: i'll move that the south spring island local trust committee request staff to report back on

[3:57:14] Trustee Patrick: creating a standing resolution to adopt a level of consultation community consultation first

[3:57:25] Trustee Patrick: community and first nations consultation and protection of cultural and sacred

[3:57:32] Trustee Patrick: sites. Did I

[3:57:39] Voice 19: say for towers? Yeah, so what does that end up looking like to you?

[3:57:48] Trustee Patrick: At least have a basic level of consultation that we're expecting. Until we have an antenna bylaw in place, right now it's whatever the industry standard is what applies.

[3:58:07] Voice 19: model bylaw that we have in front of us in fact

[3:58:10] Trustee Patrick: it's not in effect we have not adopted it correct

[3:58:15] Trustee Patrick: so through a standing resolution can we not at least adopt the consult the consultation from

[3:58:22] Trustee Patrick: that model bylaw so

[3:58:23] Voice 18: that's i guess what i'm looking for is that if you said specifically

[3:58:29] Voice 18: adopted principle that

[3:58:31] Voice 19: the whatever it was that the consultation process included in the model

[3:58:37] Voice 19: bylaw report yes that's

[3:58:40] Voice 19: what I was in

[3:58:41] Trustee Patrick: addition to First Nations and cultural

[3:58:44] Trustee Patrick: sacred site so

[3:58:46] Voice 19: let's just pause for a moment I'm going to turn to read your

[3:58:49] Voice 19: vitamin that seems like a relatively easy thing to do nothing is ever

[3:58:55] Voice 19: terribly easy but what we're saying is take the language out of the model

[3:58:59] Voice 19: antenna strategy and turn that into a standing resolution to put us in a safe

[3:59:04] Voice 19: place whether or not industry Canada or any of the telcos pay attention to it

[3:59:08] Voice 19: would be another question altogether but let's assume that it does some force in

[3:59:12] Voice 19: effect but obviously in the long run we need to adopt a bylaw that is it and so

[3:59:19] Voice 19: I'm content to go in this direction as it's relatively easy but I wonder

[3:59:24] Voice 19: whether or not quite honestly if we drop everything how long would it take to get

[3:59:29] Voice 19: get that antenna thing going, because it's been on the books for, I don't know, two years?

[3:59:35] Voice 12: Sometimes things get rough.

[3:59:37] Voice 12: So to answer your question, Mr. Chair, a quick consultation with staff.

[3:59:42] Voice 12: You know, it's recognized that the LTC could adopt the model by-law or model

[3:59:49] Voice 12: model savings for recall, as is,

[3:59:51] Voice 17: plus

[3:59:53] Voice 12: a standing resolution to include provisions and considerations.

[3:59:58] Voice 12: We've got a stopgap measure.

[4:00:00] Voice 12: until the RPC, the Regional Hunting Committee, does its thing.

[4:00:04] Voice 12: So, you know...

[4:00:06] Voice 19: Can

[4:00:06] Voice 12: we do that right now?

[4:00:07] Voice 12: Yeah.

[4:00:09] Trustee Patrick: That'll be good.

[4:00:09] Trustee Patrick: I'll strike that.

[4:00:10] Trustee Patrick: I withdraw

[4:00:12] Voice 19: what I said before.

[4:00:13] Trustee Patrick: So I'll move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:00:16] Trustee Patrick: adopt the...

[4:00:19] Voice 3: Is it the...

[4:00:20] Voice 3: The Antenna System Sighting Protocol.

[4:00:22] Voice 3: The

[4:00:22] Trustee Patrick: Antenna System Sighting Protocol

[4:00:27] Trustee Patrick: with an additional standing resolution?

[4:00:30] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[4:00:31] Voice 12: I think I'll stop there.

[4:00:32] Voice 12: Yeah.

[4:00:32] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[4:00:35] Trustee Patrick: Period.

[4:00:36] Voice 12: I'll second that.

[4:00:40] Voice 19: Okay.

[4:00:41] Voice 19: I like it.

[4:00:41] Voice 19: I have any discussion?

[4:00:44] Voice 19: All those in favor?

[4:00:47] Trustee Patrick: And then I'll move that the, uh, South Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff

[4:00:52] Trustee Patrick: to draft a

[4:00:55] Voice 3: standing resolution

[4:00:56] Trustee Patrick: to

[4:00:57] Voice 3: include, to, yeah,

[4:01:00] Trustee Patrick: First Nations consultation and

[4:01:02] Voice 3: cultural

[4:01:03] Trustee Patrick: cultural and sacred site siting requirements to anyone?

[4:01:09] Voice 19: Sorry, Sarah, did you have that last one

[4:01:12] Voice 19: and then you got this one out?

[4:01:15] Voice 4: I thought that you adopted the antennas system

[4:01:19] Voice 4: siting protocol.

[4:01:20] Voice 4: Yeah.

[4:01:20] Voice 4: And I request staff to draft a standing resolution

[4:01:23] Voice 4: to include First Nations consultation

[4:01:25] Voice 4: and cultural and sacred site siting requirements.

[4:01:29] Voice 4: That's as far as.

[4:01:29] Voice 4: Yeah, to,

[4:01:33] Trustee Patrick: I don't know what we would say to,

[4:01:35] Trustee Patrick: or adding requirements

[4:01:39] Voice 19: and consideration of social advisory planning recommendations

[4:01:44] Voice 19: so

[4:01:44] Voice 4: if you want to add to that second one so to include citing considerations for cultural and

[4:01:50] Voice 4: sacred sites requirements yes period period

[4:01:54] Voice 4: okay sarah

[4:01:56] Voice 19: needs help here

[4:01:57] Voice 4: and you know also to you

[4:02:01] Voice 4: know not understanding you could continue to have a third resolution which is the bottom one so that

[4:02:08] Voice 4: the actual antenna sighting protocol is updated

[4:02:10] Voice 4: for the entire world of the trust.

[4:02:11] Voice 4: That's our trust figure.

[4:02:14] Voice 4: And so that work would include Lisa Wilcox in her role

[4:02:19] Voice 4: to provide her expertise in providing

[4:02:24] Voice 4: that consultation process within that document.

[4:02:27] Voice 4: And being discredited that this antenna sighting protocol

[4:02:32] Voice 4: is meant to be standard across the Amnesty Trust.

[4:02:35] Voice 4: And the reason being is that when a

[4:02:37] Voice 4: component comes to us,

[4:02:38] Voice 4: it is it is the same no matter which one of them they go to and so you know certainly um the

[4:02:45] Voice 4: director of planning has asked us you know not to tinker with with the document no we're yeah we're

[4:02:50] Voice 4: not we

[4:02:51] Trustee Patrick: weren't asking that you take a recession make a standing resolution to partner with it

[4:02:55] Trustee Patrick: so that's

[4:02:55] Voice 4: all standing resolution but then potentially also to do this recommendation

[4:02:58] Voice 4: so that the regional planning committee begins this work to make this for all uh liquor

[4:03:08] Voice 19: I don't think that was the original intent because I think the

[4:03:12] Voice 19: opportunity was offered to help the individual LTCs to make local amendments

[4:03:17] Voice 19: to the policy because their local bylaws it's not a federation bylaw it's a local

[4:03:23] Voice 19: bylaw each LTC owns it

[4:03:26] Trustee Patrick: yeah so the consultation

[4:03:27] Trustee Patrick: was appropriate to your

[4:03:29] Trustee Patrick: island yeah

[4:03:29] Voice 12: I believe it is a bylaw I believe it's just a protocol and it was

[4:03:36] Voice 12: the federal government that asked us to be consistent for their sake yeah and

[4:03:42] Voice 12: so i do

[4:03:42] Voice 12: know that the director did ask us to be not tinkering with it too much and that's why we're

[4:03:51] Voice 12: referring it back to the rpc to take over that dominant role and hence why this is sort of seen

[4:03:55] Voice 12: as a stopgap measure okay

[4:03:57] Voice 19: we're we're in your hands yeah

[4:03:59] Trustee Patrick: to me it's it's irrelevant whether

[4:04:01] Trustee Patrick: we end up with standing resolution or a modified document that would both work let staff figure

[4:04:07] Trustee Patrick: Okay,

[4:04:08] Voice 19: so we've got a partially crafted motion on the table here, and I'm going to just simply ask Sarah to read back what she's got, and then we need to continue on with that, or we drop it.

[4:04:18] Voice 19: So, Sarah, just read what you've got.

[4:04:21] Voice 4: Okay, the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to draft a standing resolution to include First Nations, and cultural, and sacred...

[4:04:36] Voice 8: I lost you the last little bit, sorry. I couldn't hear you.

[4:04:42] Voice 8: Okay,

[4:04:42] Voice 19: well, it needs to have

[4:04:44] Voice 19: a descriptor at the end here for an antenna

[4:04:47] Voice 19: sighting protocol.

[4:04:50] Voice 19: And that's what Planet Gordon was offering.

[4:04:53] Voice 19: Can you say that out loud?

[4:04:56] Voice 7: I think that's perfect.

[4:04:57] Voice 7: Okay, and Sarah is

[4:04:59] Voice 19: so good at figuring it out.

[4:05:01] Voice 4: So the local Chesapeake request staff to draft a standing resolution to include First Nations consultation

[4:05:07] Voice 4: Consultation and cultural and sacred site citing requirements for antenna system

[4:05:14] Voice 4: Okay,

[4:05:15] Voice 19: so

[4:05:31] Voice 19: That does it for the future

[4:05:33] Voice 19: Right. I think this is the question that Julian's way to run. Mr. Clark

[4:05:37] Voice 19: that helps us with the future what consideration does the LPC have for

[4:05:43] Voice 19: today you get it you've got another thing to

[4:05:49] Voice 19: say to us all right so

[4:06:06] Voice 8: the

[4:06:13] Voice 4: next item which is 17.1.2 concerns a memorandum

[4:06:18] Voice 4: which provides comments from innovation science and economic development that's

[4:06:23] Voice 4: regarding the options post-issuance of a Statement of Conference.

[4:06:27] Voice 4: At the LTC meeting of July 27, 2021, the LTC issued a Statement of Conference

[4:06:33] Voice 4: from the Telecommunications Facility of W2176, Channel Ridge,

[4:06:38] Voice 4: and then shortly after that meeting, a staff ordered that letter of concurrence to the proponent.

[4:06:44] Voice 4: Since then, the LTC has received numerous pieces of course lines urging the LTC to reconsider their decision.

[4:06:50] Voice 4: At the LTC meeting on the 31st of August, the LTC requested that staff respond to specific

[4:06:56] Voice 4: correspondence.

[4:06:57] Voice 4: A summary of that response is up there on the screen for you to go through for clarity.

[4:07:04] Voice 4: So on October 8th of 2021, staff reached out to ISDD, the Spectrum Management and Health

[4:07:10] Voice 4: Communications Branch, to seek guidance on options available to the LTC post-issuance

[4:07:17] Voice 4: of the Statement of Conferences.

[4:07:18] Voice 4: And that response is there on the screen as well.

[4:07:20] Voice 4: So I'm happy to take any questions that you guys might have.

[4:07:24] Voice 8: You're happy to what?

[4:07:25] Voice 4: Take any questions that you guys might have.

[4:07:27] Voice 8: Question, sorry.

[4:07:28] Voice 4: Here you go.

[4:07:34] Voice 8: Thanks.

[4:07:35] Voice 8: So you've heard from the neighbors and they maintain that we did not receive,

[4:07:43] Voice 8: that we received inaccurate and or incomplete information.

[4:07:48] Voice 8: So what do you make of that?

[4:07:51] Voice 4: Sure.

[4:07:51] Voice 4: And so that's certainly why I included that summary.

[4:07:54] Voice 4: I'm sorry, some of those items, you know,

[4:07:56] Voice 4: aren't occurring beyond the stress at the moment.

[4:07:59] Voice 4: Certainly now that you guys have adopted

[4:08:02] Voice 4: that consultation protocol, you know,

[4:08:05] Voice 4: it's a bit of a different story,

[4:08:06] Voice 4: but this is something that occurred in the past.

[4:08:09] Voice 4: So prior to today, you know,

[4:08:11] Voice 4: that consultation process was the ISCD's

[4:08:14] Voice 4: default three-step process.

[4:08:17] Voice 4: So whatever they did, if there are concerns

[4:08:20] Voice 4: about consultation on that end,

[4:08:22] Voice 4: on that particular application those concerns should be forward to iscd um so that's you know

[4:08:28] Voice 4: certainly one uh so on the other you know those telecommunication powers it's used permitted in

[4:08:38] Voice 4: every zone on salts for now um so they aren't subject to heightened fighting regulations

[4:08:43] Voice 4: um so that's a note as well uh certainly the considerations or the recommendations of the apc

[4:08:49] Voice 4: you know are that there are recommendations you know they could be included in the protocol which

[4:08:54] Voice 4: which is part of the previous staff report providing those comments to the RPC, the Regional Planning Commission.

[4:09:03] Voice 4: And then, of course, if there are concerns about safety, those concerns are directed to Health Canada.

[4:09:11] Voice 4: And so certainly, you know, are there any other specific concerns that you thought weren't addressed in that response?

[4:09:20] Voice 17: Okay, Trustee Patrick.

[4:09:21] Voice 17: well

[4:09:22] Trustee Patrick: I voted against this before and the main reason why was because I thought the

[4:09:29] Trustee Patrick: consultation wasn't adequate but the neighborhood deserved and so are could

[4:09:40] Trustee Patrick: we direct the proponent to meet with them now and perhaps there's I don't

[4:09:45] Trustee Patrick: like I don't know what they can achieve but can we not ask the proponent to meet

[4:09:55] Trustee Patrick: meet with the neighborhood.

[4:09:57] Voice 4: And for us, regional planning managers are not going

[4:10:00] Voice 4: to jump in, but certainly the LTC

[4:10:02] Voice 4: could write a letter to the proponent, that is part of the second portion of ISED's notation

[4:10:09] Voice 4: that we can certainly email the applicant and ask them to have some further correspondence

[4:10:16] Voice 4: with the applicant, but in terms of the consultation process, that falls under ISED's umbrella

[4:10:21] Voice 4: for this particular example.

[4:10:26] Voice 8: So what was the consultation process that they implemented?

[4:10:30] Voice 4: Something called a package.

[4:10:32] Voice 19: Well, CIT is the standard thing that they have. It's got nothing to do with us.

[4:10:38] Voice 19: I just want to follow this thread.

[4:10:43] Voice 19: I honestly think it's the best thing for everybody to have a conversation with Telco.

[4:10:50] Voice 19: Because they want it to be a good project.

[4:10:52] Voice 19: but what the others think is they would ideally like it to be a better project than it is.

[4:11:00] Voice 19: So let's just characterize it like that.

[4:11:03] Voice 19: So I would say let's open that door.

[4:11:06] Voice 19: And I'll just mention something.

[4:11:08] Voice 19: It's not a secret in any way, but there was a microwave antenna application on Venus,

[4:11:14] Voice 19: which as time marched on, there was another proposal, and that didn't advance.

[4:11:20] Voice 19: But it became apparent in the window of time,

[4:11:22] Voice 19: and we had concurred to the Microwave Tower on Tegas. In the time

[4:11:31] Voice 19: that went on when there was a cell tower proposal as an alternative it became

[4:11:36] Voice 19: apparent that there had been no First Nations consultation and so at the end

[4:11:41] Voice 19: of that process where the telco actually withdrew their application we

[4:11:45] Voice 19: went back to them and said you should actually consult with the First Nations

[4:11:49] Voice 19: which you didn't do the first time around and we were you know we probably said that we were

[4:11:54] Voice 19: negligent in not asking you to do that and they went out and did that consultation and then

[4:12:00] Voice 19: the first nations came back and said yeah they had no issues so then it moved on but i think it

[4:12:05] Voice 19: was just such a worthwhile conversation to have so um and i think there's even a notion out there

[4:12:11] Voice 19: that was maybe um in hindsight we could have or should have sent it to the abc to seek their

[4:12:18] Voice 19: advice and I don't know that that is unreasonable doesn't mean we're going to

[4:12:22] Voice 19: change anything but I think there's an opportunity to have a better

[4:12:26] Voice 19: conversation that if we've had to this point and maybe there would be something

[4:12:31] Voice 19: that would come from it that might meet everybody halfway or make for a better

[4:12:36] Voice 19: situation that's my two cents well

[4:12:39] Voice 8: I like the sound of that having you said

[4:12:41] Voice 8: that in the meantime we've got people who are sitting on teller hooks wondering

[4:12:46] Voice 8: what the future looks like and also the proponent presumably they are wanting

[4:12:49] Voice 8: to get ahead with it absolutely they may be even spending money on it I don't

[4:12:53] Voice 8: know so I mean is that likely to change anything unless

[4:13:00] Voice 19: you ask the question you

[4:13:01] Voice 19: don't know truth I say ask the question we can write to ask the telco to

[4:13:09] Voice 19: facilitate well I don't know what the right word is dialogue or conversations

[4:13:15] Voice 19: with the residents and the LTC respecting the siting of the antenna on the said property.

[4:13:22] Voice 8: That sounds like a motion to me.

[4:13:24] Voice 19: I hope so.

[4:13:27] Voice 8: She's typing away. If it's a motion, I'll second it.

[4:13:30] Voice 19: Is there consensus around that notion?

[4:13:33] Voice 19: No.

[4:13:35] Voice 19: I think the conversation is

[4:13:38] Voice 19: owed to the people that live around here.

[4:13:40] Voice 19: I agree.

[4:13:43] Voice 19: And we may not be able to change that.

[4:13:45] Voice 8: Did you add First Nations to that?

[4:13:47] Voice 8: up? No,

[4:13:50] Voice 8: but great idea.

[4:13:51] Voice 8: Yeah, it should be.

[4:13:58] Voice 4: Sounds like

[4:13:59] Voice 4: you'd

[4:13:59] Voice 19: be able to

[4:14:00] Voice 4: request staff

[4:14:01] Voice 4: to write a letter?

[4:14:03] Voice 19: Well,

[4:14:04] Voice 4: I think that probably it's the chair

[4:14:05] Voice 4: who'd write the letter.

[4:14:06] Voice 19: I would seek your support.

[4:14:08] Voice 19: Yeah. So direct

[4:14:09] Voice 19: the chair, write a letter, blah, blah, blah.

[4:14:13] Voice 19: There you go.

[4:14:19] Voice 3: Yeah.

[4:14:19] Trustee Patrick: Could we say strongly recommend?

[4:14:21] Trustee Patrick: Can we indicate some strength

[4:14:23] Trustee Patrick: rather than just write a letter?

[4:14:25] Trustee Patrick: Well, that's true,

[4:14:26] Voice 19: but I don't think

[4:14:27] Voice 19: we'd be writing the letter if we weren't serious about it and let's hope that they you know i'm

[4:14:32] Voice 19: one of those people that as i said earlier we hope that the the indications of the local trust

[4:14:37] Voice 19: committee are taken in kind and that we're serious about this but yeah um we can use the word strong

[4:14:48] Voice 19: you'll help me

[4:14:50] Voice 6: uh

[4:14:55] Voice 19: yeah rogers blah blah blah so maybe say with residents and first nations

[4:15:26] Voice 9: Yeah,

[4:15:30] Voice 19: it gets difficult because the people that are not in the room aren't represented

[4:15:34] Voice 19: in the .

[4:15:35] Voice 19: The

[4:15:36] Voice 9: value that was said, though, hasn't been considered whatsoever.

[4:15:39] Voice 9: It was under consideration .

[4:15:41] Voice 19: Which?

[4:15:41] Voice 19: So again?

[4:15:42] Voice 19: The Clark letter?

[4:15:43] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:15:44] Voice 9: Oh,

[4:15:44] Voice 19: I think we are taking that into consideration.

[4:15:46] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:15:46] Voice 9: That's about it.

[4:15:47] Voice 9: motivating all of this that's

[4:15:48] Voice 19: what's motivating this for

[4:15:49] Voice 9: sure there's

[4:15:50] Voice 9: discussion of falsification the lies we concurrence requests which is stated in

[4:15:56] Voice 9: that letter well we can address please look at the letter please look at the first page

[4:16:03] Voice 9: you're not addressing anything that was said in that letter well

[4:16:09] Voice 19: I guess you know one

[4:16:12] Voice 19: could start to spell out what the discussion should entail but I think if

[4:16:16] Voice 19: you have a discussion I would expect the table to be open I'd be happy to

[4:16:20] Voice 19: attend that discussion that those questions be asked because i think the questions need to be

[4:16:27] Voice 19: asked of rogers they

[4:16:30] Voice 9: were just very specific yeah i

[4:16:32] Voice 19: think we understand that right assertions

[4:16:35] Voice 18: and

[4:16:36] Voice 9: if the zoning application was falsified and you thought that after the fact you wouldn't be

[4:16:42] Voice 9: playing as nicely as the plane there

[4:16:43] Voice 19: well if that is indeed true it will become apparent pretty

[4:16:47] Voice 19: quick so again it's

[4:16:53] Voice 9: just it's a matter of fact so is it a matter of fact that

[4:16:57] Voice 17: the application was falsified

[4:17:01] Voice 9: for the performance information package page 130 of the agenda of July 27 they

[4:17:10] Voice 9: the proponents stated that the Island's Trust does not have the adopted telecom

[4:17:14] Voice 9: policy applicable to part of the land on the EULA draft model and have

[4:17:20] Voice 9: recommended that the draft protocol and additional consultation be followed so they were aware that

[4:17:26] Voice 9: you asked them to follow that enhanced model antenna sighting model you stated on page 116

[4:17:35] Voice 9: of the july 27th meeting agenda package but staff advised the applicant that the model strategy for

[4:17:42] Voice 9: antenna setting is presently under consideration and could serve as a guiding document everybody

[4:17:46] Voice 9: Everybody was aware, and they stated,

[4:17:50] Voice 9: the proponents in their concurrence request of May 31st,

[4:17:54] Voice 9: and this is a quote,

[4:17:57] Voice 9: that they had completed the public consultation process

[4:17:59] Voice 9: following the Reynolds Trust draft model

[4:18:01] Voice 9: of public consultation protocol for local trust area.

[4:18:05] Voice 9: They did not.

[4:18:08] Voice 9: They didn't even come close.

[4:18:11] Voice 19: Yeah, so I think we have to ask them

[4:18:13] Voice 19: what

[4:18:13] Voice 9: process they went through.

[4:18:14] Voice 9: They falsified their concurrence request to you.

[4:18:18] Voice 9: Please read this letter.

[4:18:19] Voice 9: Yeah, we've read it. There are very specific references to pages within their own documentation.

[4:18:29] Voice 19: Let's have the discussion with Rogers. Yeah.

[4:18:35] Voice 19: And we can raise those questions. Thank you.

[4:18:39] Voice 19: And so what we need to know is what process they went through, and they can spell it out.

[4:18:45] Voice 4: And certainly if I can make a note, you know, their only requirement was to follow the three-step process.

[4:18:54] Voice 4: And certainly staff's advice throughout that process with them was that there was a model protocol we recommended that they take a look and use that model when doing a constipation process, but they were not required to follow that.

[4:19:10] Voice 9: No, exactly.

[4:19:11] Voice 9: But they did state that they did follow it.

[4:19:14] Voice 17: Yeah.

[4:19:15] Voice 19: So

[4:19:15] Voice 9: I think

[4:19:18] Voice 19: we need to know what they meant by that when they said that.

[4:19:21] Voice 19: Yeah.

[4:19:21] Voice 19: I think that's, you know, it's not a court of law that we're in here.

[4:19:26] Voice 19: And I think everybody wants us to be better than it is, including Rogers.

[4:19:33] Voice 19: That's true.

[4:19:35] Voice 19: So, do we have a motion?

[4:19:37] Voice 19: And if it

[4:19:38] Voice 4: was moved and seconded, can

[4:19:41] Voice 19: you read it out?

[4:19:42] Voice 4: The Salisbury County Local Trust Committee requests Rogers to facilitate discussion with residents and First Nations

[4:19:49] Voice 4: regarding siting of the Channel Ridge cell tower.

[4:19:54] Voice 18: Done.

[4:19:54] Voice 18: good moved and seconded yes we're okay then i'll call for the bulletin

[4:20:02] Voice 19: payment so that carries

[4:20:04] Voice 19: so we'll work together and get that out um and and i think it's reasonable to uh create um a

[4:20:17] Voice 19: potential list of concerns that the ltc has right and um i would use all the materials that we've

[4:20:23] Voice 19: received today to achieve

[4:20:26] Voice 18: that does that sound

[4:20:27] Voice 18: reasonable absolutely okay and

[4:20:31] Voice 8: i'll consult with

[4:20:31] Voice 8: Mr. Clark.

[4:20:33] Voice 19: Outside of a quorum of a meeting, right?

[4:20:35] Voice 19: Be careful about that.

[4:20:39] Voice 19: Okay, so that's done,

[4:20:41] Voice 19: I think.

[4:20:42] Voice 19: And I think it's a step

[4:20:44] Voice 19: in the right direction.

[4:20:45] Voice 19: Yeah.

[4:20:48] Voice 19: Okay.

[4:20:48] Voice 19: Is it possible to ask a question?

[4:20:51] Voice 19: I'm sorry?

[4:20:52] Voice 19: Is it possible to ask a question here?

[4:20:55] Voice 17: Sure.

[4:20:57] Voice 13: What are we looking for?

[4:20:58] Am I to understand that you, Chair Loughlin,

[4:21:00] Voice 6: are going to send a letter to Rogers?

[4:21:03] Voice 6: That's correct.

[4:21:04] Voice 6: And why are we looking at it in terms of timeline, so that the concern of the president

[4:21:09] Voice 6: for the campus back plays in the sense of what we're looking at?

[4:21:12] Voice 6: Well, I think that it's

[4:21:15] Voice 19: important that that letter go out immediately.

[4:21:17] Voice 19: And so I expect that that will happen in due course.

[4:21:21] Voice 19: You know, it all depends on

[4:21:22] Voice 19: how many other letters he got going.

[4:21:24] Voice 19: But I think that if Rogers isn't watching this situation, I'd be surprised.

[4:21:31] Voice 19: and so I think ideally that happens in a reasonable fashion

[4:21:39] Voice 6: that

[4:21:44] Voice 19: letter will go

[4:21:46] Voice 19: out before Christmas I'm sure of that whether or not Rogers responds in a

[4:21:50] Voice 19: timely fashion is a different question but we'll be sending that out by email

[4:21:53] Voice 19: and electronically and so they would have it and I think if they receive it

[4:21:59] Voice 19: they're on notice. Am I unfair?

[4:22:07] Voice 8: He's supporting what you said.

[4:22:09] Voice 8: Okay, perfect.

[4:22:12] Voice 19: You know, you do the best you can and we're going to try and do the best we can.

[4:22:19] Voice 19: We hear what you're saying. If there's nothing further, I'll go to applications or referrals.

[4:22:28] Voice 19: Thank you, Christina, for your help.

[4:22:29] Voice 8: And I think a three minute break is in order.

[4:22:49] Voice 19: Just for everybody's interest, the microphone is on

[4:22:53] Voice 19: and recording everything, and it hears in-drive.

[4:23:27] I don't know if people will do anything about it.

[4:23:29] Voice 2: Well, that's a big thing.

[4:23:31] Voice 2: I've got an actual .

[4:23:33] Voice 2: If there is, yeah, exactly.

[4:23:35] Voice 2: And it's even

[4:23:42] Voice 2: RTA, RTA, RTA, and they are trying to actually get

[4:23:52] Voice 2: a handle on these type of homes because if something

[4:23:57] Voice 13: consent

[4:23:57] Voice 2: to be a service. It's supposed to be optional, but

[4:24:01] Voice 2: what they're doing is they're, yeah, it's not optional. So you're

[4:24:08] Voice 2: charging back and forth. And basically, that's what I saw

[4:24:13] Voice 2: They're putting more in here than carrying the items

[4:24:16] in such a terrible way.

[4:24:18] Carrying the poor numbers, even though the organization comes

[4:24:22] in, it's a tall place, so it's great.

[4:24:24] And so then they're .

[4:24:26] And they're facing

[4:24:28] Voice 6: it to decide where they're coming from.

[4:24:31] I heard this walking team here.

[4:24:33] They were having a 15-year contract.

[4:24:37] They don't know when their rent changed

[4:24:40] and got a bit bigger and they were winning nothing

[4:24:43] Voice 2: and then we went and got it.

[4:24:45] Voice 14: We were right.

[4:24:47] Voice 14: I don't know how you guys are doing.

[4:24:51] Magic.

[4:24:51] We're all over it.

[4:24:53] We're all lost.

[4:25:04] Voice 19: We'll lock you up.

[4:25:07] Voice 19: Okay.

[4:25:07] Voice 19: So, we'll continue and then

[4:25:13] Voice 18: we'll go to the next one.

[4:25:14] Voice 13: Sorry?

[4:25:15] Voice 13: Yes.

[4:25:27] Voice 13: all right

[4:25:28] Voice 13: everybody so thanks

[4:25:29] Voice 19: everybody this uh for sticking with us through this

[4:25:32] Voice 19: afternoon and we're now at applications and referrals and if you can take your conversation

[4:25:39] Voice 19: outside and stop the meeting thank you so 18.1 is salt spring rezoning 2020.1 uh alpine

[4:25:50] Voice 19: I think it says there, yeah, 1351 Mountain Road,

[4:25:54] Voice 19: bylaw number 525, the consideration of first rezoning

[4:26:00] Voice 19: to make lawful an oversight vote.

[4:26:02] Voice 19: And Planner May is here with us on this one.

[4:26:05] Voice 19: Thank you.

[4:26:05] Voice 19: Over to you.

[4:26:07] Voice 19: We saw this once before here, right?

[4:26:09] Voice 19: Yeah.

[4:26:09] Voice 4: We sure did.

[4:26:10] Voice 4: So that was in June.

[4:26:11] Voice 19: Is the applicant in the room?

[4:26:13] Voice 19: OK, great.

[4:26:14] Voice 19: Thanks for joining us.

[4:26:15] Voice 19: And I think you've seen this process before we get a staff

[4:26:18] Voice 19: report, and we looked through your concurrence

[4:26:20] Voice 19: or not, and then we have a

[4:26:22] Voice 19: conversation here. And there may be questions

[4:26:24] Voice 19: that we will ask you. Over to you,

[4:26:26] Voice 19: Byron Mason.

[4:26:26] Voice 4: Alright, so this staff

[4:26:28] Voice 4: report is proposing amendments to the

[4:26:29] Voice 4: land use bylaw G5

[4:26:31] Voice 4: to make the lawful and oversized boat

[4:26:34] Voice 4: house and to establish a 15-metre setback

[4:26:36] Voice 4: from the natural boundary of the sea.

[4:26:38] Voice 4: This report is following the

[4:26:40] Voice 4: preliminary staff report, which was considered

[4:26:42] Voice 4: by the LTC after a June 29th

[4:26:44] Voice 4: 2021 meeting

[4:26:46] Voice 4: where staff were directed to draft

[4:26:48] Voice 4: these amendments to the land use bylaw.

[4:26:50] Voice 4: Um, the report issues, uh, sorry, explores the step-issue opportunity, which is, um, subdivision potential, and the agency is there.

[4:26:58] Voice 4: Um, staff are recommending that the local testimony, um, consider a first reading of the draft by-law, and request staff to refer the by-law to agencies and associations.

[4:27:07] Voice 4: And if you have any questions, uh, the recommendations are up there, and then, um, we will make all plans in the audience.

[4:27:17] Voice 19: Page 294. Thank you, Clarence.

[4:27:20] Voice 19: means. On the terms of the applicant, you've seen the report and just ask me if you concur with the

[4:27:28] Voice 19: recommendations therein. Yes, we do. Okay, thank you very much and nothing else in other remarks

[4:27:34] Voice 19: today. Excellent. So, trustees, what is your thinking here and do you have any questions

[4:27:40] Voice 19: for the staff or for the applicant?

[4:27:44] Trustee Patrick: Well, I went back to listen to the tape before

[4:27:48] Trustee Patrick: board remember our conversation although we're around zoom so thank nice to see you in our real

[4:27:53] Trustee Patrick: room although um you know i think i anything we can do to keep that property whole and protected

[4:28:01] Trustee Patrick: is uh is we're here to help support so that's what's important to me where

[4:28:10] Voice 8: does the address

[4:28:11] Voice 8: 1351 mountain road come from i looked it on up on google and it doesn't exist

[4:28:20] Voice 9: We have no idea, it's not a problem in the room.

[4:28:25] Voice 9: This

[4:28:25] Voice 4: year he would have assigned that address when the house was built.

[4:28:31] Voice 19: I have a question, and you know these are new times and I just find myself asking myself questions about assumptions that I've made,

[4:28:40] Voice 19: statements that I've made since the beginning of time, since I've been a trustee anyway.

[4:28:45] Voice 19: and that I would say first reading is just first reading and it's together on

[4:28:49] Voice 19: the table it's the intent of the local trust committee and we are free to amend

[4:28:53] Voice 19: that as necessary and you shouldn't get fussed about it getting first reading

[4:28:57] Voice 19: because it's not a fait accompli that it will be adopted at any point in time

[4:29:03] Voice 19: although usually that's the expectation and I do

[4:29:07] Voice 18: wonder about referring this to

[4:29:09] Voice 19: First Nations before first reading and it's odd for me to say that but I just

[4:29:14] Voice 19: can't help but not ask the question and uh with the first nations involved here um um are there

[4:29:23] Voice 19: likely to be any concerns about doing that so

[4:29:26] Voice 4: certainly there is um quite a story in history

[4:29:29] Voice 4: in regards to that question on this property um there was a development permit that was associated

[4:29:34] Voice 4: with this application that was also considered at that meeting um and so that was for works along

[4:29:39] Voice 4: the foreshore works in a stream right and so in in the span of that time there was an archaeological

[4:29:46] Voice 4: overview assessment that was associated with that portion as well as the associated crown lands

[4:29:52] Voice 4: application and so certainly there has been a comment already from adobe cowichan first nations

[4:30:00] Voice 4: regarding the green works excellent

[4:30:02] Voice 19: answer well

[4:30:04] Voice 8: done well

[4:30:06] Voice 19: done okay i'm ready to so

[4:30:08] Voice 8: i moved the

[4:30:09] Voice 8: source from the local trust committee commit committee so that i moved the sourcing island

[4:30:15] Voice 8: local trust committee bylaw number five two five cited the assaulting island andrews five or number

[4:30:20] Voice 8: three five five nineteen ninety nine remember number two twenty twenty one we read the first

[4:30:25] Voice 8: of time.

[4:30:26] Voice 19: Moved and seconded. Any discussion? All those in favor? That carries. And I'll

[4:30:32] Trustee Patrick: move that the Salisbury Island Local Trust be requested to refer proposed bylaw number

[4:30:35] Trustee Patrick: 525 to agencies, organizations, and First Nations as identified in the staff report

[4:30:40] Trustee Patrick: dated October 25th, 2021. Seconded.

[4:30:43] Voice 19: Moved and seconded. Any discussion? No. Then I'll

[4:30:46] Voice 19: call the vote. All those in favor? Thank you very much. Excellent work. All right, let's

[4:30:52] Voice 19: Let's go now to Salt Spring Development Permit 2021.3 and Development Permit 2021.14, Hazen

[4:31:02] Voice 19: Boom, construction related to the three runs at Rainbow Road.

[4:31:06] Voice 19: Is the applicant in the room?

[4:31:07] Voice 19: Over there.

[4:31:08] Voice 19: Excellent.

[4:31:08] Voice 19: Thank you very much.

[4:31:09] Voice 19: You've just seen the process.

[4:31:10] Voice 19: So I'm going to go

[4:31:11] Voice 19: to Planner Mays and let her tell us about this project, which I think

[4:31:16] Voice 13: we saw this once

[4:31:17] Voice 19: before as well.

[4:31:20] Voice 4: So this development variance firm application is seeking to vary the salt spanglone land use by long to a 355.

[4:31:26] Voice 4: To make lawful the setting of a retaining wall that's within the rear exterior side and interior side of the long setbacks.

[4:31:33] Voice 4: As well, there is a concurrent development firm application which is seeking to address the development of new retail,

[4:31:39] Voice 4: to detail general plans for commercial space greater than 185 square meters in gross floor

[4:31:44] area

[4:31:44] Voice 4: that is visible from public areas and other properties.

[4:31:47] A

[4:31:48] Voice 4: bit of background on this application, it follows a preliminary staff report on August

[4:31:53] Voice 4: 31st, 2021, meeting with the LTC, where the application was referred to the APC for climate

[4:31:59] Voice 4: and is now coming back to your consideration again.

[4:32:02] Voice 4: So, their resolution is up there on the spring. They did recommend that the local trust committee approve these applications.

[4:32:12] Voice 4: So, the report that's in front of you explores various issues and opportunities, which includes non-compliance with DP area guidelines, alterations to public route design and

[4:32:22] Voice 4: landscaping, as well as recommendations of the APC.

[4:32:26] Voice 4: So just, I guess, as a refresher, that's the site plan for the subject property, and there's

[4:32:30] Voice 4: also an extract of the proposed here in its current demographic view.

[4:32:35] Voice 4: This is the development in question, so that being it as built and as proposed, and as

[4:32:44] Voice 4: well two cross-sections that are currently being proposed, as well as a 2018 building

[4:32:50] Voice 4: permit.

[4:32:53] Voice 4: So although this particular development permit is at variance or potentially at variance

[4:32:58] Voice 4: and some 12 development preliminary guidelines.

[4:33:01] Voice 4: Staff are noting that the guidelines

[4:33:03] Voice 4: not met in respect to the requirement

[4:33:05] Voice 4: for DVP, alteration of topography,

[4:33:08] Voice 4: site access, landscape, and pollution

[4:33:09] Voice 4: are relatively minor in nature

[4:33:11] Voice 4: for the scope of the development.

[4:33:13] Voice 4: Staff noted two guidelines,

[4:33:15] Voice 4: which are specific to the roof design,

[4:33:17] Voice 4: E.2.6.5 and E.2.6.6,

[4:33:21] Voice 4: should warrant further consideration.

[4:33:23] Voice 4: And so that initial building permit that you saw

[4:33:26] Voice 4: proposed a pitched roof, and staff knew that that was in more substantial compliance with those guidelines.

[4:33:35] Voice 4: So in consideration of where we're going, and staff are recommending approval of an amended DP inclusive of the construction of a pitched roof

[4:33:44] Voice 4: to accommodate the applicant's future desire to install it.

[4:33:47] Voice 4: As such, you know, our recommendations are up there that the LTC approve issuance of SSDP 2021.3 as amended and SSDP 2021.14 as the applicant has obtained immediately.

[4:34:05] Voice 4: Recommendations are there, I'm happy to take them.

[4:34:08] Voice 18: Excellent,

[4:34:08] Voice 19: thank you. Any remarks from the applicant?

[4:34:11] Voice 14: Well, I think I am used to the awesome job that I was having here.

[4:34:17] Voice 14: I am planning to put on a fridge roof eventually.

[4:34:21] Voice 14: This is what we're doing. This is roughly the stage we're in right now.

[4:34:27] Voice 14: The number of times that everybody jumps into the roof.

[4:34:31] Voice 14: This also made me really sad to think about that time.

[4:34:34] Voice 14: That's when something comes to mind now, so we just get rid of that.

[4:34:37] Voice 14: I have all my infrastructure in the ground, it is more to, from solar panels to, for houses on the property, and so eventually that will happen, but not at this time.

[4:34:56] Voice 14: And if it is that we need a big amount of application for a developer to install the roof, we will do so.

[4:35:05] Voice 17: Okay.

[4:35:07] Voice 18: Trustees? Any questions or remarks?

[4:35:11] Trustee Patrick: yeah i just want to understand that so are you saying we could amend the permit to allow for

[4:35:18] Trustee Patrick: the roof to be built into the future so it doesn't need to apply again or yeah so so

[4:35:23] Voice 4: uh the one that's

[4:35:24] Voice 4: shown in appendix one shows the pitched roof yep and so as you know we can take a look at with the

[4:35:30] Voice 4: flat load roof we can say it's you know potentially now in substantial conformance and so what

[4:35:36] Voice 4: What this pitch-truth development permit means is that the applicant wouldn't have to come back and amend his permit.

[4:35:43] Voice 4: The permit will already be showed.

[4:35:46] Voice 4: That would be my preference, is to

[4:35:49] Trustee Patrick: make

[4:35:51] Voice 8: the

[4:35:52] Trustee Patrick: permit for the roof that is intended to be built.

[4:35:56] Voice 19: So is that an amendment we can make now?

[4:35:59] Trustee Patrick: No, that's the one that's in

[4:36:00] Voice 19: front of you.

[4:36:01] Voice 19: Oh, that's the one that's on here.

[4:36:06] Voice 19: Okay, so I don't understand the question then.

[4:36:08] Voice 19: So we

[4:36:09] Trustee Patrick: don't have to amend it.

[4:36:11] Voice 19: so yes

[4:36:11] Voice 4: so the original ask was for a flat word yeah that staff recommend to to use what was

[4:36:17] Voice 4: provided in 2018 so that the applicant doesn't have to come back at all okay so that's it's

[4:36:23] Voice 4: already done okay all right

[4:36:24] Voice 19: sorry i thought we had to change something so i thought okay

[4:36:29] Voice 19: okay any other irrelevant

[4:36:31] Voice 8: questions are these storage units yes they are good um

[4:36:36] Voice 19: well peter

[4:36:36] Voice 19: i'm glad that you asked that question because i actually ended up doing a word search to figure

[4:36:41] Voice 19: what it was because I wasn't sure it was a marijuana grow-up or a Bitcoin mining

[4:36:46] Voice 19: operation until I found out it was a mini storage. But that's great, okay.

[4:36:54] Voice 8: So, the Salt Spring Antelope Trust Committee approved issuance of development

[4:36:58] Voice 8: of SSB E2021.3 as shown on the appendix number one of the staff report

[4:37:02] Voice 8: dated 26 October 2021.

[4:37:07] Voice 19: Okay, so moved and seconded. Any discussion?

[4:37:11] Voice 19: Any discussion?

[4:37:12] Voice 19: All those in favor?

[4:37:14] Voice 19: There you go.

[4:37:14] Voice 19: Thank you very much.

[4:37:15] Voice 19: We're almost done.

[4:37:16] Trustee Patrick: I'll move that the Salt Spring Animal Local Trust

[4:37:18] Voice 19: approve

[4:37:18] Trustee Patrick: issuance of development variance permit

[4:37:21] Trustee Patrick: SSDBP 2021.14.

[4:37:24] Voice 19: Seconded.

[4:37:24] Voice 19: Trustee Grove, thank you.

[4:37:26] Voice 19: Any discussion?

[4:37:27] Voice 19: All those in favor?

[4:37:29] Voice 19: No, you're done.

[4:37:30] Voice 19: Okay.

[4:37:31] Voice 19: Thank you very much, Planner Mayes.

[4:37:33] Voice 19: And thank you to the applicant.

[4:37:37] Voice 19: Salt Spring Agricultural Land Reserve 2020.4,

[4:37:40] Voice 19: Miller at 2101 Fulford Ganges Road, non-farm use and subdivision in

[4:37:47] Voice 19: agricultural lands after the park.

[4:37:49] Voice 19: Alright,

[4:37:51] Voice 4: so this agricultural land reserve or ALR at a non-farm use and subdivision application is addressing the proposed creation of three lots and one of which is proposed to be an ALR as well as a common property access road across the ALR,

[4:38:06] Voice 4: thereby requiring a subdivision application

[4:38:08] Voice 4: and non-firm use application

[4:38:10] Voice 4: for the proposed common property access route

[4:38:12] Voice 4: and placement of the bill.

[4:38:14] Voice 4: So some of the background of this application,

[4:38:18] Voice 4: you know, this is the set of the two state plans

[4:38:22] Voice 4: that I'll reference in just a moment.

[4:38:24] Voice 4: So this report follows consideration

[4:38:25] Voice 4: of a preliminary staff report on April 27th,

[4:38:29] Voice 4: which was subsequently referred to the AAPC,

[4:38:32] Voice 4: and then a second staff report at the June 29th meeting,

[4:38:35] Voice 4: which was re-referred back to the AAPC for their consideration upon receipt of a farm plan and plan to reduce the road width.

[4:38:42] Voice 4: And so that in front of you is the two different plans. So that was the old plan and then the new plan.

[4:38:49] Voice 4: So some of the key issues this report explored was recommendations of the AAPC,

[4:38:53] Voice 4: and then staff are also going to admit that one piece of correspondence was received in regards to this application.

[4:39:00] Voice 4: So in terms of the recommendation, staff have, throughout the purposes of this application,

[4:39:06] Voice 4: have reviewed various issues and opportunities, as well as related island stress policy statement

[4:39:13] Voice 4: directives, OCP policies and objectives, and comments from the AATC.

[4:39:17] Voice 4: The subject property is actively farmed and is also classified as farmland under the Assessment

[4:39:23] Voice 4: Act.

[4:39:24] Voice 4: The applicant has applied a farm plan and amended site plan to the AATC, which has recommended

[4:39:28] Voice 4: of the LTC for the application to the ALC with support.

[4:39:32] Voice 4: Despite the foregoing, staff are considering a proposal

[4:39:35] Voice 4: still remains at variance with OCP policy

[4:39:38] Voice 4: B.6.2.2.14 and B.6

[4:39:42] Voice 4: .2.2.16,

[4:39:43] Voice 4: which generally discourage the LTC's support

[4:39:46] Voice 4: of subdivision on land within the ALR

[4:39:48] Voice 4: unless certain objectives are met.

[4:39:50] Voice 4: Notwithstanding, the farm plan and the buy site plan,

[4:39:53] Voice 4: which decreases the common property access road

[4:39:55] Voice 4: road from 1.5 hectares to 0.795 hectares

[4:39:59] Voice 4: addresses several other policies and objectives.

[4:40:02] Voice 4: And as such, staff are recommending the LTC

[4:40:04] Voice 4: or the application of the LTC to support

[4:40:07] Voice 4: as a proposed home access property route

[4:40:09] Voice 4: encompasses the existing road infrastructure

[4:40:11] Voice 4: and has been reduced from 20 meters to 10 meters

[4:40:14] Voice 4: with three passing lanes,

[4:40:16] Voice 4: and that the application is supported by the AAPC.

[4:40:18] Voice 4: That recommendation is up there for consideration

[4:40:21] Voice 4: and Mr. Miller, do you have anything to add?

[4:40:25] Voice 19: Good. So, sir, do you wish to speak to the application?

[4:40:29] Voice 10: No, I think it may have time to explain clearly. Thank you.

[4:40:33] Voice 18: Trustees, any questions or no motion?

[4:40:36] Voice 18: I do not.

[4:40:38] Voice 18: Are you okay with it?

[4:40:39] Trustee Patrick: Well, I may not agree with the recommendation that's written,

[4:40:45] Trustee Patrick: but I can get there if you want.

[4:40:46] Voice 8: Good.

[4:40:47] Voice 8: The Trust Committee requests to forward application SSALR 2020.4

[4:40:52] Voice 8: to the York-Costwell Land Commission with support for the following reasons.

[4:40:55] Voice 8: A, the proposed common property access route encompasses existing road infrastructure.

[4:41:01] Voice 8: B, the proposed common property access route width has been reduced from 20 meters to 10 meters with three passing lanes.

[4:41:08] Voice 8: And C, the application is supported by the Salt Spring Agri-Cultural Advisory Planning Commission.

[4:41:13] Voice 8: I'll

[4:41:14] Trustee Patrick: second the discussion for this list.

[4:41:19] Voice 19: Did you get B and E on there?

[4:41:21] Voice 19: Well, this is different.

[4:41:22] Voice 19: Am I looking at the wrong one?

[4:41:25] Voice 4: Yes, there's only, oh no,

[4:41:26] Voice 4: there's another A where I'm looking at the wrong one.

[4:41:29] Voice 4: This

[4:41:29] Voice 8: is page 322.

[4:41:31] Voice 19: Oh, there we go.

[4:41:36] Voice 19: Okay, so move then, seconded then, the motion as presented.

[4:41:43] Voice 19: And do you have to speak to the motion?

[4:41:45] Voice 19: I do not.

[4:41:46] Voice 19: Laura Patrick.

[4:41:47] Trustee Patrick: I just can't support this.

[4:41:50] Trustee Patrick: I do support our OCP in that trying to maintain the large farm properties that we have left on the island.

[4:41:57] Trustee Patrick: They are an endangered species.

[4:42:02] Trustee Patrick: and my thought that i'd like to maintain farms as the largest they can be and i'm proud of that new

[4:42:09] Trustee Patrick: the new bylaw that we're putting through about looking trying to create at least the densities

[4:42:13] Trustee Patrick: of having the houses without having to subdivide and i think that's the way to go you

[4:42:23] Voice 19: know we have

[4:42:23] Voice 19: a a bit of correspondence um in our package um but i don't know what that means but obviously

[4:42:33] Voice 19: for your present owners to be able to do what they wish, right?

[4:42:39] Voice 8: So, go ahead.

[4:42:40] Voice 8: Sorry, I'm just curious, Laura,

[4:42:42] Voice 8: about how you feel about the AAPC's recommendation.

[4:42:46] Trustee Patrick: Well, their first recommendation was against it,

[4:42:48] Trustee Patrick: and I listened in to that meeting,

[4:42:49] Trustee Patrick: and their first time it went to the AAPC,

[4:42:51] Trustee Patrick: they were against subdividing.

[4:42:53] Voice 18: And then what happened?

[4:42:55] Voice 18: It went

[4:42:55] Trustee Patrick: back a second time, and they've now changed their mind.

[4:42:59] Voice 18: Same AAPC.

[4:43:00] Voice 18: Same

[4:43:00] Trustee Patrick: AAPC, because the road was made smaller.

[4:43:02] Trustee Patrick: But for me,

[4:43:04] Trustee Patrick: I still stand on the grounds of the subdivision as being the part that I'm not in favor of.

[4:43:12] Voice 8: But

[4:43:13] Trustee Patrick: we're still deaf

[4:43:14] Voice 8: to the farm of Watts Heights.

[4:43:20] Voice 8: It's not bad for a slaughtering farm.

[4:43:23] Voice 10: Well, and I might say that there's no loss of agricultural land.

[4:43:29] Voice 10: The roadway, which is the only agricultural land impacted, will continue to be used by the farmer.

[4:43:38] Voice 10: as it was developed by the farm right so there's no loss in use and there's no impractical use

[4:43:44] Voice 10: there is a change in designation of the 0.7 hectares but there's no change in use the

[4:43:56] Voice 10: 60 acres that are currently zoned as agricultural remain and what do you farm on it sheep chickens

[4:44:04] Voice 10: hay, chickens for both meat and eggs, and there's a large vegetable garden as well.

[4:44:15] Voice 19: And so how big is the portion that's actually being divided off? Is that included in the 60 acres?

[4:44:23] Voice 19: No, that's in addition.

[4:44:26] Voice 10: The 10 acres that are being removed are currently zoned rural residential,

[4:44:33] Voice 10: and so we're separating non-ALR lands from ALR.

[4:44:40] Voice 19: And that's the two or three lots that are connected there?

[4:44:44] Voice 19: The two lots, yes.

[4:44:48] Voice 19: And they are not zoned ALR at this time?

[4:44:51] Voice 19: No.

[4:44:51] Voice 19: And have they ever been planned?

[4:44:53] Voice 8: No.

[4:44:56] Voice 8: And I think that was behind the thinking of our AAPC.

[4:45:00] Voice 8: If

[4:45:02] Voice 10: I might address that question of why the committee changed

[4:45:07] Voice 10: change their mind. They indicated at their first review that there was insufficient information

[4:45:13] Voice 10: as well as they were concerned about the width of the road that was being proposed. We addressed

[4:45:21] Voice 10: both of those issues by reducing the width of the road in consultation with the Department

[4:45:28] Voice 10: of Transportation and provided them with what they referred to as an excellent farm plan

[4:45:35] Voice 10: land, which addressed all of their other concerns.

[4:45:47] Voice 19: So if I might just hear what your objection was again, Laura?

[4:45:51] Voice 19: Do you want to think this through?

[4:45:53] Trustee Patrick: Well, it's a large parcel of land.

[4:45:55] Trustee Patrick: I used to traverse through agricultural land

[4:45:58] Trustee Patrick: to get these two isolated blocks that are going to be up there.

[4:46:01] Trustee Patrick: And it just breaks up the overall property.

[4:46:03] Trustee Patrick: We have split zone farms all over the island.

[4:46:06] Trustee Patrick: That's the nature of the topography

[4:46:09] Trustee Patrick: and the type of property that we had.

[4:46:11] Trustee Patrick: It was historically a large property

[4:46:13] Trustee Patrick: that included the farm and so I said I'm just opposed to the subdivision and I

[4:46:35] Voice 19: notice on the right hand side remember when I looked at the map in detail what

[4:46:40] Voice 19: are those what's the zoning as the property the three pieces on the right

[4:46:44] Voice 19: hand side there in the one at the bottom of that area that isn't accessed by the

[4:46:48] Voice 19: road it's on waterfront oh

[4:46:52] Voice 4: so so down to yeah

[4:46:57] Voice 19: it says common property plan something and then the

[4:47:02] Voice 19: other one is non i can't make it

[4:47:07] Voice 4: out of this area here oh

[4:47:09] Voice 19: if you know at the top oh

[4:47:11] Voice 4: here yeah

[4:47:12] Voice 19: yeah

[4:47:13] Voice 4: so those are both rural zones yes

[4:47:15] Voice 19: and

[4:47:16] Voice 4: i guess maybe for some context right beside it the

[4:47:19] Voice 4: Yeah, that's what

[4:47:21] Voice 19: I'm asking about.

[4:47:22] Voice 4: Hmm?

[4:47:23] Voice 4: Poultry comments.

[4:47:24] Voice 4: So a very similar application was in front of the trust communities

[4:47:28] Voice 4: a decade ago, which also have common property access

[4:47:32] Voice 4: that went through a cultural lens.

[4:47:37] Voice 8: Right.

[4:47:45] Voice 19: And the piece that you're dividing off is not on ALR.

[4:47:55] Voice 19: I'm sorry?

[4:47:56] Voice 19: The piece that you're dividing off is not included in the ALR zone.

[4:48:00] Voice 19: No, it's not.

[4:48:01] Voice 19: Yeah.

[4:48:02] Voice 19: Yeah, so I'm having difficulty understanding the damage to the ALR land.

[4:48:07] Voice 19: Do you see that as a slippery slope? Does that make sense?

[4:48:13] Trustee Patrick: Well, it was a large, like I said, all of our large farms,

[4:48:16] Trustee Patrick: I don't know if we have any large farms that are 100% one type of zoning,

[4:48:20] Trustee Patrick: just because we've got valleys, we've got, you know, the land is square,

[4:48:24] Trustee Patrick: so it ends up with ALR and a variety of different other zones.

[4:48:30] Trustee Patrick: So, you know,

[4:48:31] Trustee Patrick: as a whole, it was considered the large working farm, and that these, you

[4:48:38] Trustee Patrick: know, if we keep all of these large properties, if we keep just cutting off the pieces that

[4:48:44] Trustee Patrick: are zoned not ALR, then, you know, we're getting smaller and smaller farms and becoming more

[4:48:50] Trustee Patrick: of a residential-based development, not a...

[4:48:53] Voice 19: So was there a residence on the ALR portion?

[4:48:57] Voice 10: No.

[4:48:58] Voice 10: With respect, making non-agricultural land, calling it part of the farm when it's non-agricultural doesn't make it agricultural.

[4:49:12] Voice 13: If

[4:49:13] Voice 10: it's non-farmable, if it's not agricultural lands, just including it for the sake of including it doesn't optimize its use as residential,

[4:49:27] Voice 10: neither does it optimize its use as agricultural.

[4:49:30] Voice 10: In fact, it defeats both resources.

[4:49:33] Voice 8: Can you explain non-farmable?

[4:49:35] Voice 8: Yes.

[4:49:37] Voice 8: Can you tell me what you mean by saying non-farmable?

[4:49:40] Voice 10: It is filled with both springs and rock.

[4:49:47] Voice 10: There is essentially no topsoil.

[4:49:49] Voice 10: level um rocks jettled from the land randomly throughout what is a heavy dog hair forest

[4:50:02] Voice 10: having been cleared about a couple of times so

[4:50:05] Voice 8: to my mind it makes complete sense what you're doing

[4:50:10] Voice 8: i would i

[4:50:11] Voice 10: would agree so it achieves both housing and agriculture without impeding either right

[4:50:20] Voice 19: but there's already housing there i'm sorry there's already housing on the pc you're dividing

[4:50:25] Voice 19: off there

[4:50:27] Voice 10: is a house on one of the two lots that are being created yes yeah

[4:50:31] Voice 19: and so the i guess you

[4:50:35] Voice 19: know i'm trying to understand the rationale for not doing this or doing it um it seems to me that

[4:50:43] Voice 19: the next but if we if we allow that to be divided off and then presumably let's just say that that

[4:50:50] Voice 19: piece that's divided up or be sold to somebody else that is not associated with the farm then

[4:50:55] Voice 19: the next opportunity somebody's going to come along and buy the farm and want to build a house

[4:50:59] Voice 19: on it and then that's another potentially non-alr use on that they are land so i'd look to staff to

[4:51:07] Voice 19: that potential scenario playing out and so that that would degrade the agricultural

[4:51:14] Voice 18: land in the

[4:51:14] Voice 18: long run yeah

[4:51:17] Voice 4: so residential speaking uh currently the permissions are a single family dwelling

[4:51:22] Voice 4: which is currently on the property um and then uh you know seasonal cottage on the rural portion

[4:51:28] Voice 4: that's the two dwellings that are currently permitted um so once you um potentially

[4:51:33] Voice 4: park it up depending on the lot sizes it could be a dwelling and a seasonal cottage

[4:51:37] Voice 4: on the two top lots and then you've got a house on the agricultural portion and depending on

[4:51:44] Voice 4: what occurs sort of in the future with your so let

[4:51:55] Voice 19: me just understand the next

[4:51:57] Voice 19: steps here so we're I'm just going back to the pages that on 300 so once this

[4:52:11] Voice 19: goes to the

[4:52:12] Voice 19: Land Commission they will give their nod as to whether or not they

[4:52:15] Voice 19: think that this is an okay thing to do that doesn't make it a foregone

[4:52:19] Voice 19: conclusion that we would rezone it

[4:52:22] Voice 6: yeah well

[4:52:24] Voice 19: I'm in favor of sending it to the

[4:52:25] Voice 19: ALC to ask them what they think

[4:52:27] Trustee Patrick: The ALR does have it but the ALC has it's rules and it does encourage that the houses that are built on farms be built on the less non agricultural areas so we have a good

[4:52:39] Trustee Patrick: situation. Yeah,

[4:52:41] Trustee Patrick: so it's entirely

[4:52:42] Voice 19: possible that ALC will not approve this.

[4:52:46] Voice 10: May I suggest too, there are many other sites on the 60 remaining acres that would be considered non-agricultural that could easily accommodate a residence on the agricultural portion without impeding its agricultural potential.

[4:53:01] Voice 19: Right. Okay. Well, I think we're going to have this conversation again, but I think I'm interested. I'm not an expert. I would like to see what the ALC is.

[4:53:12] Voice 19: That's it.

[4:53:14] Voice 19: So, did you make a motion?

[4:53:16] Voice 19: Emily seconded it?

[4:53:17] Voice 19: And so then I'm going to call for the vote

[4:53:18] Voice 19: unless there's further discussion.

[4:53:19] Voice 19: Laura?

[4:53:20] Voice 19: Yes.

[4:53:21] Voice 19: All those in favor?

[4:53:23] Voice 19: Those opposed?

[4:53:24] Voice 19: One opposed?

[4:53:25] Voice 19: That carries.

[4:53:27] Voice 19: Okay,

[4:53:28] Voice 17: well thank you for the conversation.

[4:53:29] Voice 19: These are not always easy, that's for sure.

[4:53:32] Voice 19: That was 21.02.

[4:53:34] Voice 19: So now, we're on page 337,

[4:53:37] Voice 19: Salt Spring ALR 2021.3.

[4:53:41] Voice 19: And to make it, is the applicant here?

[4:53:43] Voice 19: Excellent, I think I've seen you here before.

[4:53:46] Voice 19: Okay, so

[4:53:46] Voice 19: 427 Culver County Road.

[4:53:49] Voice 19: Over to Planner Jordy Gordon.

[4:53:52] Voice 19: Thank you, Chair.

[4:53:57] Voice 7: I will keep this brief.

[4:53:59] Voice 7: This is an application that you have seen before.

[4:54:05] Voice 7: An ALR application for a range of non-farm uses that are permitted under the Line Use By-law

[4:54:12] Voice 7: and Fish and Community Plans are not permitted by the ALC.

[4:54:15] Voice 7: so the applicant applied for that range of uses, and it was referred to the WAPC last month.

[4:54:26] Voice 7: They heard or considered the application, and they effectively used the recommended resolution to support the application.

[4:54:39] Voice 7: The discussion at the AAPC was mostly around the historical industrial use of the property

[4:54:47] and the properties in that area.

[4:54:49] I will note there was

[4:54:50] Voice 7: one commissioner opposed to it just because of the lack of any provision

[4:54:57] Voice 7: of farming or agricultural use on the property.

[4:55:00] Voice 7: It was sort of a suggestion of small amount of fruit trees or something to that effect

[4:55:05] Voice 7: be planted but sort of decided it wasn't uh appropriate for that for that site but um i will

[4:55:11] Voice 7: note that there was one commission in opposition so um the resolution i have in front of you

[4:55:18] Voice 7: uh from staff is to forward this to the alc with support um for four reasons

[4:55:23] Voice 7: and really the first two are pretty clear that it's already permitted uh both by the ocp and

[4:55:32] Voice 7: and the land use by law for general public use.

[4:55:34] Voice 7: So really just sort of applying for what is already

[4:55:39] Voice 7: permitted under local regulations.

[4:55:41] Voice 7: If there's any questions you might have.

[4:55:47] Voice 19: OK, thank you.

[4:55:48] Voice 19: Does the applicant have any concerns

[4:55:51] Voice 19: with the recommendation?

[4:55:53] Voice 19: No.

[4:55:54] Voice 19: OK.

[4:55:55] Voice 19: Trustee, what do you think on this one?

[4:55:57] Voice 19: Laura Patrick.

[4:55:58] Trustee Patrick: This case, this is an industrial property.

[4:56:01] Trustee Patrick: Just for whatever reason, it's always a mystery

[4:56:07] Trustee Patrick: The only question I have is, I do, it doesn't say we support it, it just says we're forwarding

[4:56:14] Trustee Patrick: it.

[4:56:16] Trustee Patrick: Is there any advantage to us saying we support it as well, or is this out of the question?

[4:56:20] Trustee Patrick: With support.

[4:56:21] Trustee Patrick: With support.

[4:56:22] Trustee Patrick: Oh, okay.

[4:56:23] Trustee Patrick: With support.

[4:56:24] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[4:56:25] Voice 14: Yeah.

[4:56:30] Trustee Patrick: I'm fine.

[4:56:31] Trustee Patrick: I'll move motion then that the sales command and local trust committee request stuff to

[4:56:34] Trustee Patrick: forward application ssalr 29.3 to their corporate land commission with support for the following

[4:56:41] Trustee Patrick: reasons a the subject property is zoned for general employment use under salt spring and

[4:56:48] Trustee Patrick: local land use bylaw number 355 the subject property is designed for general employment use

[4:56:53] Trustee Patrick: in salt spring island official community plan bylaw number 434 the application is supported by

[4:57:00] Trustee Patrick: the salt spring island local trust committee agricultural advisory planning commission

[4:57:04] Trustee Patrick: and the subject property has a history of industrial uses the subject property has

[4:57:10] Trustee Patrick: limited potential for agriculture i

[4:57:14] Voice 17: move to a second second there you go for the discussion

[4:57:17] Voice 17: there you go okay

[4:57:23] Voice 19: so we'll hear back from the alc on

[4:57:27] Voice 19: both of these no doubt

[4:57:29] out. Excellent.

[4:57:30] Voice 19: So this brings us back around to the 8.2, the housing actions, and just to be

[4:57:37] Voice 19: practical. Sorry,

[4:57:40] Trustee Patrick: I didn't, I didn't, my other self didn't wander out and

[4:57:44] work on

[4:57:46] Trustee Patrick: drafting my thing. So

[4:57:48] Voice 19: should we take a recess for a couple, five minutes, say, and give

[4:57:52] Voice 19: you an opportunity to think about that? Yes. So we're going to have a five-minute, we're just

[4:58:14] Voice 19: going to have a five-minute break and we are still recording so

[4:59:04] Voice 12: I don't know how

[4:59:04] Voice 11: much rain came off the roof.

[4:59:06] Voice 11: No, that thing just, what?

[4:59:08] Sorry, I was just

[4:59:11] Trustee Patrick: trying to go find our business case.

[4:59:15] Voice 9: Hello, I can't

[4:59:16] Voice 15: hear the

[4:59:17] Voice 9: staff report's recommendations.

[4:59:19] Voice 9: Sorry, I couldn't hear you.

[4:59:19] Voice 9: If you're interested.

[4:59:22] Voice 9: I don't think it's important.

[4:59:26] Voice 12: The summary of staff's recommendations for tomorrow's report, like the real thing is,

[4:59:31] Voice 12: is

[4:59:33] Voice 12: Oh, that's .

[4:59:34] Voice 13: I didn't know .

[4:59:37] Voice 12: The eliminator was called to accommodate deeper analysis

[4:59:40] Voice 12: of the described program, which is coding for .

[4:59:45] Voice 12: And two, following identification of staff work

[4:59:48] Voice 12: that was postponed, initiate the request

[4:59:50] Voice 12: for a secret program where the proposed program

[4:59:53] Voice 12: has been ..

[4:59:55] Voice 12: The delegation described that.

[5:00:00] Voice 12: Is that a requirement for an amount of delegation by-law in relation to a special public attachment?

[5:00:05] I

[5:00:06] Voice 12: think the bigger thing there is we're advancing a legal opinion, and it's part of the timing of delegation by-law.

[5:00:17] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, so that's where we benefit from the salt springs.

[5:00:25] It's part of the FTC rule, technically.

[5:00:27] Yes, that's what I'm...

[5:00:31] So you're trying to grab the resolution such that salt is going to be included in the navigation?

[5:00:39] The

[5:00:39] Trustee Patrick: efficiencies. There may be one. Maybe it's one. Maybe it's two. I don't know.

[5:00:44] Trustee Patrick: It's just there's opportunity. We both want the similar entity.

[5:00:48] Trustee Patrick: Entity is the same here. So it's the efficiencies.

[5:00:52] Voice 12: The

[5:00:52] Trustee Patrick: first thing is,

[5:00:52] Voice 12: can we do that illegally so they're doing the work?

[5:00:55] Voice 12: Or can we do that concurrently? We're asking the same question.

[5:01:00] Voice 12: Correct.

[5:01:00] Trustee Patrick: That's what I'm trying to say. So it's, everybody else also directs a request that, um, requests that, um, what are we requesting? That...

[5:01:15] Trustee Patrick: It sounds like you just want to make

[5:01:17] Voice 12: sure that salt springs

[5:01:18] Voice 12: on the coattails are getting rid

[5:01:20] Trustee Patrick: of the water.

[5:01:20] Trustee Patrick: Yeah. But how do I say that?

[5:01:23] Trustee Patrick: It's so easy to say on the motion.

[5:01:25] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, but in the current, in my current motion, it's difficult to throw that in there.

[5:01:36] So with that, I mean, I wonder if you need more?

[5:01:43] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, it just helps that we request, we request that.

[5:02:55] Voice 10: So there you go.

[5:02:56] Voice 10: That is one of those, whatever, you can be a perfect candidate and you can learn how

[5:03:00] Voice 10: to do it.

[5:03:04] Trustee Patrick: There we go.

[5:03:04] Trustee Patrick: Maybe just request that the following.

[5:03:06] Trustee Patrick: Maybe it says loaded, I request that the following.

[5:03:09] Trustee Patrick: So we just cut out all that.

[5:03:12] Trustee Patrick: be considered, be considered with Gabriela's LTC business case?

[5:03:26] Trustee Patrick: Okay,

[5:03:27] Voice 12: so, okay, and that would be up to you,

[5:03:29] Voice 12: but would it be up to the LTC?

[5:03:31] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, so that would be the end.

[5:03:34] Trustee Patrick: So the sentence would read,

[5:03:35] Trustee Patrick: therefore, Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[5:03:40] Voice 18: requests that those

[5:03:47] Trustee Patrick: three things

[5:03:48] Voice 7: I'm just

[5:03:49] Voice 8: going to tell you, be considered,

[5:03:54] Trustee Patrick: be considered a

[5:03:55] Voice 2: real, do you mean, whatever, well, like, I'm, we're there, like, generally at the, I consider it a real thing, but I'm never in, yeah, but I lived, right, so I live for a long time, and once, like, yeah, yeah, I'm not inside, you know, because I never,

[5:04:18] restrictions.

[5:04:19] Voice 2: I think they've got more, but there has to be a reason to go in there, but I know some people in there.

[5:04:28] Voice 2: But

[5:04:28] Trustee Patrick: because of the conversation, it's because we're in a financial conversation.

[5:04:32] Trustee Patrick: They're going to be hitting, severing from this opportunity.

[5:04:37] Voice 2: Because Devin

[5:04:38] Trustee Patrick: wants to do the same thing.

[5:04:39] Trustee Patrick: My daughter worked

[5:04:40] Voice 2: at Brighthaven for a sense of need for me to actually go back to UVic now for the most part, but yeah, she might go to be her mother-in-law.

[5:04:50] Voice 2: Because I mentioned that story, yeah.

[5:04:52] Voice 2: Oh, there is a video.

[5:04:53] Voice 14: Oh, yeah.

[5:04:54] Voice 14: I know.

[5:04:55] Voice 2: You can't

[5:04:56] Voice 2: keep it secret.

[5:04:57] Voice 14: I'll keep it about my mother.

[5:04:59] Voice 14: Oh, I heard you mention it once in the Zoom meetings.

[5:05:03] Voice 14: Oh, I see.

[5:05:13] Voice 6: So

[5:05:13] Trustee Patrick: that's, that's what I'm trying to get at, efficiency standpoint.

[5:05:21] Voice 15: That's hard.

[5:05:24] Trustee Patrick: Getting older is hard.

[5:05:30] I think I just gave it a symbol that, that, that, west, that,

[5:05:38] Voice 2: that's, yeah, hopefully, I mean, the last time, I didn't know

[5:05:43] Voice 2: what it was, but it's cool.

[5:05:44] Voice 2: The whole

[5:05:45] Voice 2: thing with Joanna Hoskins, you know her, she's a pretty cool lady, and she

[5:05:51] Trustee Patrick: brought the kids, that was back in 2016

[5:05:54] Voice 2: or 16.

[5:05:57] Voice 2: And partner with somebody.

[5:05:59] Voice 2: And then they did paintings and stuff.

[5:06:01] Voice 2: And it was really neat.

[5:06:02] Voice 2: Each painted each other.

[5:06:03] Voice 2: And it was also nice to think about.

[5:06:06] Voice 2: Those kind of things are nice.

[5:06:07] Voice 2: I don't

[5:06:07] Voice 5: know what they're doing here now.

[5:06:10] Not much.

[5:06:12] Voice 5: Not much, yeah.

[5:06:13] Voice 5: We're just

[5:06:13] Voice 14: talking about it.

[5:06:16] We don't plan on doing it.

[5:06:18] We're a first water strategy.

[5:06:19] No.

[5:06:20] No.

[5:06:23] I don't know if there's much we want to learn here.

[5:06:48] Voice 12: I'm going to watch June tonight, and I hope you're going to make the thought stand.

[5:06:52] Trustee Patrick: So how does this sound?

[5:06:53] Trustee Patrick: and therefore the Saltering Island local trust committee requests the consideration of

[5:07:00] Voice 3: 1,

[5:07:01] Trustee Patrick: 2, and 3

[5:07:03] Trustee Patrick: to provide for Gabriel's LTC business case.

[5:07:08] Trustee Patrick: It's awkward, I understand that.

[5:07:10] Trustee Patrick: I think you

[5:07:11] Voice 12: have your challenges.

[5:07:12] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[5:07:14] Voice 11: Oh

[5:07:14] Trustee Patrick: yeah, no, no, go.

[5:07:15] Voice 11: It's clear now.

[5:07:16] Trustee Patrick: This just sets up tomorrow's conversation.

[5:07:18] Voice 11: That's right, man.

[5:07:19] Voice 11: Okay.

[5:07:20] Voice 11: Okay. Chair,

[5:07:21] Trustee Patrick: I think I have something. Did you hear what I was going to say?

[5:07:27] Trustee Patrick: So I'm going to amend the motion, and if the motion stays as is,

[5:07:32] and the next round apart will be agreed as therefore.

[5:07:36] Yeah. Okay.

[5:07:41] Trustee Patrick: Oh, now we lost it. Oh, there it is. Alright, I think I have a motion

[5:07:46] Trustee Patrick: on amendment.

[5:07:48] Voice 19: Okay, well let us reconvene our meeting then.

[5:07:50] Voice 19: and hopefully some of you will edit out that blank space.

[5:07:54] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[5:07:55] Voice 19: Okay,

[5:07:56] Trustee Patrick: so let's move to the meeting.

[5:07:57] Trustee Patrick: I move

[5:07:57] Voice 13: to

[5:07:59] Trustee Patrick: amend the motion

[5:08:02] Trustee Patrick: so that the last portion reads,

[5:08:06] Trustee Patrick: therefore the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[5:08:08] Trustee Patrick: requests that the consideration of item one, two, and three

[5:08:18] Trustee Patrick: as it's written there, be combined with Gabriel LTC's business case.

[5:08:25] Trustee Patrick: It's awkward.

[5:08:28] Voice 8: Page three, one, five, six.

[5:08:30] Voice 19: Yeah.

[5:08:32] Voice 19: So I'll just ask if you managed to capture that.

[5:08:38] Voice 4: Would

[5:08:39] Voice 19: you mind reading it back?

[5:08:40] Voice 19: Oops.

[5:08:42] Voice 19: I didn't get to hear it.

[5:08:43] Voice 4: Okay.

[5:08:45] Voice 4: So you've replaced one section.

[5:08:50] Voice 4: of the motion with.

[5:08:53] Voice 4: Therefore, the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[5:08:58] Voice 4: requests that the consideration of number one,

[5:09:01] Voice 4: obtaining delegated authority to facilitate

[5:09:04] Voice 4: a coordinated approach from housing solutions.

[5:09:07] Voice 4: Two, coordinating a Salt Spring Island Housing Council

[5:09:09] Voice 4: identity with member representation from government,

[5:09:13] Voice 4: rate payer organizations, not-for-profit organizations

[5:09:16] Voice 4: and others with professional expertise that is staffed,

[5:09:19] Voice 4: able to receive and administer grants

[5:09:21] Voice 4: and manage projects, programs, and undertake planning work.

[5:09:25] Voice 4: And three, allowing for

[5:09:26] Voice 4: consulting support

[5:09:27] Voice 4: to facilitate all aspects of the setting of the entity

[5:09:31] Voice 4: be combined with the Gabriela Island

[5:09:33] Voice 4: Local Trust Committee's business case.

[5:09:39] Voice 19: Okay, so the substantive changes to that

[5:09:42] Voice 19: are at the beginning?

[5:09:44] Trustee Patrick: No, the whereas and

[5:09:45] Voice 19: stay, what

[5:09:46] Trustee Patrick: we took out

[5:09:46] Trustee Patrick: was direct staff to prepare a business case

[5:09:49] Trustee Patrick: that includes but not limited to.

[5:09:51] Trustee Patrick: That's been struck and replaced with this.

[5:09:56] Trustee Patrick: what

[5:09:57] Voice 19: are we directing staff to do to prepare not

[5:10:00] Trustee Patrick: we're just requesting that

[5:10:03] Trustee Patrick: so we're not directing staff to do anything at this point we're just

[5:10:06] Trustee Patrick: requesting this is to just prepare for a conversation tomorrow request that these

[5:10:13] Trustee Patrick: things be combined.

[5:10:18] Voice 19: Okay, I'm not, I don't have time to see, and I'm not a visual guy.

[5:10:28] Voice 3: Yeah?

[5:10:34] Voice 4: We're

[5:10:39] Voice 19: requesting this to stop. I guess that's the difficulty.

[5:10:44] Voice 8: It says stop.

[5:10:46] Trustee Patrick: Well, yeah, I didn't put, I just said request. I didn't, didn't, uh, it's basically the consideration of these things.

[5:10:53] Trustee Patrick: We're requesting that the considerations be combined with the business case for tomorrow's conversation.

[5:11:00] Trustee Patrick: But

[5:11:00] Voice 8: who are you asking to do this?

[5:11:04] Trustee Patrick: Mysterious gnomes that work all night.

[5:11:06] Trustee Patrick: I don't know.

[5:11:10] Trustee Patrick: It would, I guess, be ube on my part tomorrow to argue this.

[5:11:14] Trustee Patrick: It's going to end up that tomorrow's meeting has to be argued without any paper.

[5:11:19] Voice 8: I don't even know why this is coming up at tomorrow's meeting.

[5:11:23] Voice 19: Because everyone was...

[5:11:24] Voice 19: So are we simply asking FPC or Trust Council or the Agriolo Local Trust Committee?

[5:11:31] Voice 19: I guess

[5:11:32] Trustee Patrick: that's what I'm...

[5:11:33] Trustee Patrick: ask the fpc maybe it's requesting the fpc to consider these things with that there we go

[5:11:40] Trustee Patrick: sorry thank you we're requesting the fpc okay

[5:11:45] Voice 19: i'm okay with that did so this is an amendment

[5:11:50] Voice 19: now to your original motion from last month and so then um i moved that you moved it is there a

[5:12:05] Trustee Patrick: I know it's an awkward situation, but the organization that we're asking for is exactly

[5:12:12] Trustee Patrick: the same as Gabriola, and there's efficiencies in the process if it proceeds that way, too,

[5:12:18] Trustee Patrick: should be efficient as possible.

[5:12:20] Voice 8: Anyway, I still don't know why this is coming up to the LPC, but if you're saying it is,

[5:12:24] Voice 8: it's fine.

[5:12:25] Trustee Patrick: I think this Gabriola has a request tomorrow for money.

[5:12:28] Voice 8: Oh, for money.

[5:12:29] Voice 8: So we just want to piggyback

[5:12:30] Trustee Patrick: on that.

[5:12:32] Voice 8: Yeah, that's essentially it.

[5:12:33] Trustee Patrick: Point out the efficiencies.

[5:12:34] Voice 8: OK.

[5:12:35] Voice 19: So move to second it then?

[5:12:36] Voice 19: Yeah, sure.

[5:12:37] Voice 19: Any further discussion?

[5:12:38] Voice 19: No.

[5:12:38] Voice 19: All those in favor?

[5:12:39] Voice 19: That carries unanimously.

[5:12:41] Voice 12: Very good.

[5:12:42] Voice 12: Could I just get it right out so I can understand what it means?

[5:12:45] Voice 12: The first section, and then the end section.

[5:12:47] Voice 12: Before number one, and after number three.

[5:12:49] Trustee Patrick: Oh, we just amended it.

[5:12:50] Trustee Patrick: That's right.

[5:12:50] Trustee Patrick: Now we have to vote on what we just voted on.

[5:12:52] Voice 19: Oh, we amended it.

[5:12:53] Voice 12: That's right.

[5:12:53] Voice 19: Whoa, thank you.

[5:12:54] Voice 12: So now,

[5:12:54] Voice 19: the amended motion.

[5:12:56] Voice 19: All right.

[5:12:57] Voice 19: Is there any discussion on the amended motion?

[5:13:02] Voice 18: No.

[5:13:02] Voice 18: No?

[5:13:03] Voice 18: So all those in favor?

[5:13:04] Voice 18: That too carries.

[5:13:05] Voice 18: Okay, second question.

[5:13:07] Voice 18: Can I get the resolution?

[5:13:09] Voice 18: You'll see it in a minute.

[5:13:10] Voice 18: Okay, yeah, you guys go ahead.

[5:13:13] Trustee Patrick: Basically, the South Spring Library is requesting FPC to consider those three things with the business case.

[5:13:21] Voice 12: That's what I wrote, but I can't get through it.

[5:13:23] Trustee Patrick: There, you got it.

[5:13:24] Voice 19: Okay, our next meeting is 930.

[5:13:27] Voice 19: December the 14th right here in this lovely building. That's 10 days before Christmas Eve.

[5:13:39] Voice 12: Go ahead.

[5:13:40] Voice 12: We talked about the order of the agenda.

[5:13:44] Voice 12: Oh yes.

[5:13:45] Voice 12: Would you mind taking that discussion out and I'll give you the example we talked about.

[5:13:49] Voice 19: If we only take a few minutes because I think that could be on a 415 ferry.

[5:13:52] Voice 12: Would you like us

[5:13:53] Voice 12: to call it the standard template of having delegations in the war?

[5:13:58] Voice 19: Well, let me just set the story here so that

[5:14:01] Voice 19: the trustees are on the page here.

[5:14:04] Voice 19: It came up, there was a request from the delegates today to speak to us before the town hall and delegations,

[5:14:16] Voice 19: what I consider to be the more public-facing part of the meeting, from the administrative part of the meeting in the morning.

[5:14:22] Voice 19: And I sort of thought that that disrupted the flow of things.

[5:14:28] Voice 19: that maybe didn't provide the opportunity

[5:14:30] Voice 19: for other people in the public to hear it.

[5:14:32] Voice 19: It also

[5:14:33] Voice 19: maybe gave a preferential treatment

[5:14:35] Voice 19: to one individual to speak outside of a delegation,

[5:14:38] Voice 19: to speak to a project or whatever.

[5:14:40] Voice 19: Generally we don't do that.

[5:14:42] Voice 19: But what rose up out of that is,

[5:14:44] Voice 19: are we as an LPC satisfied with the structure of the agenda?

[5:14:50] Voice 19: Because I actually do think that those projects

[5:14:53] Voice 19: should be more in that public facing portion of the agenda

[5:14:57] Voice 19: and be more clinical with only doing the administrative work

[5:15:02] Voice 19: in the mornings.

[5:15:04] Voice 19: So is there, and so then,

[5:15:06] Voice 19: so then over to Regent Blanchard-Cermak,

[5:15:09] Voice 19: you're suggesting,

[5:15:12] Voice 19: I guess

[5:15:13] Voice 17: what I'm suggesting is taking projects

[5:15:14] Voice 1: and

[5:15:15] Voice 19: put it in the afternoon after the allegations

[5:15:17] Voice 19: and work along with everything else.

[5:15:20] Voice 19: What was your thinking?

[5:15:22] Voice 12: Well, if you recall, this has been,

[5:15:30] Voice 12: I think from staff's perspective, we recognize that the LTC has a long day, especially as

[5:15:38] Voice 12: a software LTC, and that the original input is to put in projects in the morning, it was

[5:15:44] Voice 12: generally thought that that took a little more time, and that you were fresher, able

[5:15:49] Voice 12: to address the metaphoric complications in the morning, whereas applications were kind

[5:15:54] Voice 12: kind of scripted in a sense, they were relatively,

[5:15:56] Voice 12: you know, straightforward, yes, no,

[5:15:58] Voice 12: your guidelines include evaluation.

[5:16:01] Voice 12: It was also felt that I believe that, you know,

[5:16:05] Voice 12: your projects are long going and the community

[5:16:08] Voice 12: has many chances to have their say,

[5:16:11] Voice 12: therefore it's not imperative at every meeting

[5:16:14] Voice 12: that it's on the agenda that they have a say, so.

[5:16:16] Voice 12: So therefore, and of course there's the long history

[5:16:19] Voice 12: of the community meeting here at lunchtime,

[5:16:21] Voice 12: as you noticed, they all came zooming in here,

[5:16:23] Voice 12: but would they have done that at nine o'clock in the morning no i don't know well

[5:16:27] Voice 19: yeah i think

[5:16:27] Voice 19: probably not no so and it's also

[5:16:32] Voice 19: that you know really saltman's the only hand that does that

[5:16:36] Voice 19: right and

[5:16:37] Voice 19: um and indeed the agenda is completely different than other items as a function

[5:16:41] Voice 19: but it's a it's a format that the public has come to respect and i think appreciate it because

[5:16:48] Voice 19: people come on their lunch break and then they hang around if they can't hang around later if

[5:16:52] Voice 19: they can or they don't. But it gives a window of an hour for people to participate.

[5:16:57] Voice 18: And I think

[5:16:57] Voice 18: that's actually a positive

[5:16:58] Voice 19: thing to do, apart from meeting in the evenings on weekends or general

[5:17:04] Voice 19: would be difficult for all of us. So

[5:17:07] Voice 18: what would we like to do, Justice?

[5:17:08] Voice 18: Well,

[5:17:09] Trustee Patrick: I mean, I do support that, you know, it is only appropriate to have the public input before

[5:17:17] Trustee Patrick: we make decisions yeah that does does change they come and come and build from time to time but um

[5:17:25] Trustee Patrick: um and i know we did run into the fact that trying to do projects at the end of the day

[5:17:29] Trustee Patrick: is too exhausting because we're wasted

[5:17:31] Trustee Patrick: um so i mean the only option is you do

[5:17:38] Trustee Patrick: put the project you put the projects either back into the afternoon but recognize there will be

[5:17:45] Trustee Patrick: be times when our projects have more work than others.

[5:17:50] Trustee Patrick: And in North Tender, what we've found we've done now

[5:17:53] Trustee Patrick: is we've pulled that out into a special meeting.

[5:17:55] Trustee Patrick: We're having our project conversations in a special meeting

[5:17:58] Trustee Patrick: when we know we need, you know, staff needs us

[5:18:01] Trustee Patrick: to dig into this feedback.

[5:18:03] Trustee Patrick: You know, they're giving us one of those options reports.

[5:18:07] Trustee Patrick: We're having those as our own standalone meeting.

[5:18:11] Voice 17: Yeah, I support that idea.

[5:18:13] Voice 19: Yeah, if it's just a simple reporting out that's not substantive, then we could have that in the afternoon.

[5:18:21] Voice 19: If it's a working session

[5:18:22] Voice 19: where we're developing work that,

[5:18:25] Voice 18: quite honestly, the public

[5:18:27] Voice 19: is going to be bored doing anyway.

[5:18:29] Voice 18: I think having that more substantive work

[5:18:34] Voice 13: and

[5:18:35] Voice 19: then it comes back

[5:18:36] Voice 13: as a reporting out that this is what you guys thought about,

[5:18:39] Voice 13: then we could

[5:18:39] Voice 19: do that in the afternoon session.

[5:18:42] Voice 19: And of

[5:18:43] Voice 12: course it's all available

[5:18:43] Voice 19: online now, so it doesn't, it didn't matter.

[5:18:46] Voice 12: I think that's, you know, I think this LTC has done that a couple of times when you're

[5:18:51] Voice 11: setting

[5:18:51] Voice 12: strategic priorities.

[5:18:54] Voice 12: Yeah.

[5:18:54] Voice 12: And a couple other times.

[5:18:57] Voice 12: I mean, staff can certainly work with that sort of assumption, you know, working towards

[5:19:01] Voice 12: that.

[5:19:02] Voice 12: Kind of, do you feel like more community information meetings are relevant?

[5:19:06] Voice 19: So maybe then, as a standard, we'd say the projects were reported out in the afternoon,

[5:19:10] Voice 19: And then on an agenda where there's more substantive work that would be dealt with in the morning.

[5:19:17] Voice 19: Or

[5:19:18] Trustee Patrick: have a special meeting.

[5:19:19] Voice 19: Or have a special meeting, yeah.

[5:19:21] Trustee Patrick: If necessary.

[5:19:22] Voice 19: Special meetings are harder.

[5:19:24] Trustee Patrick: They're harder, but we don't really, there aren't that many touch points.

[5:19:29] Voice 12: Maybe I'm hearing you wrong then.

[5:19:31] Voice 12: And I would encourage them to just get on a cold with projects in the morning, assuming that they're regular, just reporting out on minor decisions, maybe decisions that's being made by the LTC, but whereby there is an important decision-making or order that the LTC feels that there's community engagement, and then

[5:19:48] Voice 12: you go with a special business.

[5:19:50] Voice 12: Correct.

[5:19:51] Voice 3: No, we are saying the same thing.

[5:19:52] Voice 12: Okay.

[5:19:53] Voice 12: So

[5:19:53] Voice 8: what's

[5:19:55] Voice 17: the consensus here?

[5:19:57] Voice 8: I think it's sticking with what we're doing.

[5:20:00] Trustee Patrick: It's sticking with what we're doing.

[5:20:01] Trustee Patrick: recognizing like today we should have recognized that that was going to have a tension

[5:20:05] Trustee Patrick: okay so then the

[5:20:07] Voice 19: weight then lies on us and on the regional planning manager to say well this

[5:20:12] Voice 12: is important yeah you and i should have those conversations a little bit sooner than when we

[5:20:17] Voice 12: other things at

[5:20:18] Voice 19: the at the formation of the agenda which is typically two weeks before the meeting

[5:20:24] Voice 19: I

[5:20:25] Voice 12: agree. And perhaps I can offer this other tidbit as I never really understood this, and I should, because if you ask me, I would expect to know the answer, but I don't.

[5:20:36] Voice 12: Why is it standard to have the delegation's request to be 14 days ahead of the LPC meetings, whereby we create the agenda 10 days?

[5:20:46] Voice 12: a lot we the common complaint we hear from people is like if i'd known that was on the agenda i

[5:20:51] Voice 12: would have been indelicate but i didn't you know so therefore i wasn't indelicate so they feel like

[5:20:57] Voice 12: they were too late and so we have this standing and i've seen it in all our policies 14 days

[5:21:01] Voice 12: before the meeting you have to make a delegation request but then yeah when we create the agenda

[5:21:08] Voice 12: so i

[5:21:09] Voice 19: think maybe

[5:21:10] Voice 12: you can i don't know

[5:21:13] Voice 19: well so there's a couple of things

[5:21:14] Voice 19: there, which I think about in how we handle the

[5:21:17] Voice 19: Executive Committee for

[5:21:18] Voice 19: Council, and I don't think the thing should necessarily be different.

[5:21:21] Voice 13: What we don't do here is we

[5:21:23] Voice 19: don't require the delegate to give

[5:21:25] Voice 19: us his

[5:21:28] Voice 19: presentation. It's actually

[5:21:29] Voice 12: in the by-law that you should. We should? Yeah, it's in the delegation by-law, by-law 304 that you should.

[5:21:35] Voice 19: And so then you need to get that, you need to approve it, although we don't meet in that

[5:21:40] Voice 19: way to approve it but it needs to end up on the agenda and in the package and so it's the minimum

[5:21:46] Voice 19: number of days necessary to get the delegation in the package which is laura where

[5:21:50] Trustee Patrick: a lot of this

[5:21:51] Trustee Patrick: misunderstanding is coming from most if you look at most municipal councils you have to register

[5:21:56] Trustee Patrick: for the town yeah so because the way we kind of advertise this delegation is sort of a registration

[5:22:03] Trustee Patrick: function people think of it as that of registering to speak on a topic and i

[5:22:08] Trustee Patrick: secure my spot and we

[5:22:10] Trustee Patrick: don't have the registration for the town hall so that's where the confusion lies

[5:22:15] Voice 12: yeah

[5:22:16] Trustee Patrick: so well i

[5:22:17] Voice 19: think we normally give the delegations more time because they've got a more elaborate presentation

[5:22:22] Voice 19: to make and town halls are just walk in and correct but i think we need

[5:22:26] Trustee Patrick: to truly establish

[5:22:28] Trustee Patrick: the difference between and i think we're trying to do that trust council the

[5:22:31] Trustee Patrick: delegation is something

[5:22:32] Trustee Patrick: you're you're asking us for you're doing it you know something whereas if you're speaking to work

[5:22:37] Trustee Patrick: that's already in progress that really is a registration yeah

[5:22:40] Voice 19: you're speaking to applications

[5:22:41] Voice 19: and projects that are going on correct yeah

[5:22:44] Voice 19: so we need to say that

[5:22:46] Voice 12: on the website which is what we

[5:22:47] Voice 12: do for council yeah and i i am bringing the ltci drafted amendments to the development procedures

[5:22:53] Voice 12: by law another meeting procedures by law um which i've got going for review and we're waiting for

[5:22:59] Voice 12: trust life that's going on so i've got that drafted and i can make that clear about the

[5:23:04] Voice 12: Take the

[5:23:05] Trustee Patrick: word, I think we're looking again at other municipal councils, they call it public participation periods, and different words are being used.

[5:23:15] Voice 19: Well, we've been talking about that at EEC. People

[5:23:18] Voice 19: have a romantic attachment to town hall.

[5:23:22] Voice 8: Romantic? I need to go.

[5:23:25] Voice 8: You want to ride?

[5:23:29] Voice 8: okay

[5:23:29] Voice 19: so let's adjourn the meeting and we're going to continue on as usual uh except where

[5:23:34] Voice 19: there's situations where special attention is required good so then therefore the next reading

[5:23:39] Voice 19: is uh december the 14th and we'll see you all back

[5:23:46] Voice 12: right we've already done that

[5:23:48] Voice 12: you said

[5:23:51] Trustee Patrick: your next meeting oh yeah

[5:23:55] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[5:23:56] Voice 19: We have a special meeting with the AAPC coming up.