Islands Trust Council regular meeting, November 22, 2021

[0:00:42] Voice 8: Oh,

[0:00:46] Voice 17: there's Phil. So Phil, can you hear me? Yeah.

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[0:01:00] Voice 5: trying to combine in-person meetings with Zoom because Zoom allowed us to have staff in our meetings.

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[0:01:05] Voice 5: we're trying to do this hybrid in between.

[0:01:09] Voice 17: Oh, there you are. Can you see? There we go. So can you hear me, Phil? Unmute yourself.

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[0:01:23] Voice 17: you see the stream? Okay.

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[0:01:46] Voice 17: You can?

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[0:02:00] Voice 5: It's way better than when we used the television.

[0:02:02] Voice 17: It is.

[0:02:04] Voice 17: No, actually, I'll just say this mic is unbelievably good.

[0:02:08] Voice 11: Yeah, it works.

[0:02:09] Voice 17: So, okay.

[0:02:15] Voice 11: Yes.

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[0:02:16] Voice 17: So if you want to mute yourself, Phil, that would be great.

[0:02:18] Voice 17: Alright, welcome everyone to, I'm sorry for the delay, I was right, it takes about 15 minutes to set this up, and welcome to the November the 22nd Maine Local Trust Committee.

[0:02:35] Voice 17: I wanted to start, as always, my name is Dan Rogers, I'm the chair of the trust committee,

[0:02:43] I'll tell you a bit more about that in a moment, but I want to start by, as always, by acknowledging

[0:02:49] that we're privileged and pleased to be meeting in the traditional territory of the Coast

[0:02:54] Salish peoples.

[0:02:55] Many of the Coast Salish peoples were reminded

[0:02:59] Voice 17: of the history of the Indigenous and the First

[0:03:02] Voice 17: nations peoples uh as we hear history i was thinking about the other day as we were as we

[0:03:08] Voice 17: were hearing about the the um sumas prairie and the i didn't know that history out there and it

[0:03:14] Voice 17: was kind of an interesting game i'm sure there's other histories repeated all across the province

[0:03:19] Voice 17: of situations like that um anyway we're pleased and we like to acknowledge that uh before we

[0:03:25] Voice 17: start every meeting that we understand or recognize and i i think you've already talked

[0:03:30] about this and the efforts that are being made by this particular community to recognize

[0:03:37] the history and the importance of the First Nations heritage in this area.

[0:03:44] Voice 17: Okay so as I explained to you a little earlier and I'll explain to those that are watching

[0:03:50] Voice 17: online and and that that we are in the process of transitioning from purely

[0:04:01] Voice 17: virtual meetings to in-person meetings and we're trying to combine the two

[0:04:08] Voice 17: together it's a bit of a challenging technology at times which is why we're a

[0:04:13] Voice 17: little bit late and but what you're seeing is you're seeing the the local

[0:04:20] Voice 17: trust committee and the and and there are also people here in the hall in

[0:04:33] Voice 17: person so welcome all it's always good to be to be here on main island we are

[0:04:38] Voice 17: recording and this and doing this live and broadcasting it will and it will end

[0:04:45] Voice 17: up on our recording we aren't yet at the stage where we can have people interact

[0:04:50] Voice 17: except for the fact that we have one of our staff that's going to join us

[0:04:54] Voice 17: virtually in a moment my name is dan rogers i sit on the executive committee of the of the

[0:05:00] Voice 17: uh the trust council uh one of four three vice chairs and a chair that make up the executive

[0:05:06] Voice 17: committee um i come from how sound up katsum and i'm pleased to be here uh with me of course you

[0:05:14] Voice 17: know your two local trustees we have trustee david maude to my right and your left and trustee janine

[0:05:21] Voice 17: dodds to my left as well we have um planner marissa chadwick is with us and she's the

[0:05:27] Voice 17: island planner for for main island and lauren edwards i thought it was edwards but i didn't

[0:05:34] Voice 17: want to get it wrong um who is our recorder today and we'll be taking the minutes as well as we work

[0:05:40] Voice 17: our way through the agenda we will um uh we will be joined by uh phil test the male who is the

[0:05:49] Voice 17: another planner, and he'll be joining us virtually. You'll be able to hear him, you won't. I'll

[0:05:57] Voice 17: be able to see him, and if anybody else joins us on Zoom, you'll be able to see him online,

[0:06:02] but we don't have a broadcast or a projection equipment

[0:06:06] Voice 17: here, but you'll be able to hear

[0:06:07] Voice 17: him quite well. So, with that, I will, whether anyone has any additions or amendments to

[0:06:20] Voice 17: the agenda nothing from the trustee dodds trustee von um mr trustee rod you asked the other day

[0:06:28] Voice 17: whether you wanted to have a closed meeting if you still wish to have that yes i think this is true

[0:06:32] Voice 17: okay so then we'll add that to the agenda at the after the second camp hall um the other question

[0:06:40] Voice 17: i had for trustees and it's up to you how you want to deal with it um you both asked that there

[0:06:47] Voice 17: be there's a couple of of pieces of correspondence on on wooddale drive do you want to set it up as

[0:06:53] Voice 17: a separate item on the agenda or do you just want to deal with it in correspondence it's up to you

[0:06:58] Voice 17: i

[0:06:58] Voice 5: think we should deal with it in correspondence we saved at least three pieces of correspondence

[0:07:03] Voice 5: yes

[0:07:04] Voice 17: and only one

[0:07:04] Voice 5: of them is on our agenda i've seen people

[0:07:08] Voice 17: okay and i i've seen at least two

[0:07:10] Voice 17: sorry

[0:07:12] Voice 5: and the neighbors are here so some of the writers are yeah

[0:07:16] Voice 17: we'll get to that when we get

[0:07:18] Voice 17: down to the advisory planning committee oh

[0:07:21] Voice 2: sorry

[0:07:24] Voice 17: um yeah and uh okay so having said that uh then

[0:07:32] Voice 17: with the amendment of adding a closed meeting uh related to a potential um issue of legal advice

[0:07:40] Voice 17: will will take the agenda adopted as amended something else the next the

[0:07:48] Voice 17: first item of business on our agenda of course as always is the town hall and

[0:07:53] Voice 17: questions so this is your opportunity for for input into and and conversation

[0:08:00] Voice 17: or discussion or or input for the local trust committee we ask for the most part

[0:08:05] Voice 17: that that be related to the work that we do um either that we do or that you want us to do um

[0:08:12] Voice 17: this is a uh as i said an opportunity for you to speak to your local trustees

[0:08:18] Voice 17: uh and to the trust council or the local trust committee as a whole um i remind you of the the

[0:08:24] Voice 17: rules i'll call them the rules of engagement uh which help us with our with our with our

[0:08:30] Voice 17: our process here uh first is i ask you to remember that this is a workplace for all the people that

[0:08:35] Voice 17: you see in front of you it's also a public gathering place and everybody is entitled to

[0:08:39] Voice 17: feel safe and and respected in this process so um i'll ask you simply when you make your comments

[0:08:45] Voice 17: to the local trust committee that you address issues and not people um that you uh you talk

[0:08:51] Voice 17: to the local trust committee and this is not although i've never seen this on may yet it's

[0:08:58] Voice 17: not a public debating forum it's not a place for you to start debating with each other so

[0:09:02] Voice 17: to talk to us as a local trust committee if you ask a question that that the staff that we think

[0:09:08] Voice 17: staff can answer i'll turn to staff and and ask them to answer it uh the lastly of course i ask

[0:09:15] Voice 17: you to be respectful and use appropriate language as i said earlier i've said sometimes that we

[0:09:21] don't tolerate any what i call isms um you know any of the

[0:09:26] Voice 17: the the types of language that you

[0:09:28] Voice 17: sometimes see online but to be honest i've never experienced that on main island so i'm not

[0:09:33] Voice 17: anticipating any of it today i will say if you're an applicant here before us today you you can

[0:09:40] Voice 17: address us um about another matter on the on the agenda sorry another matter but if we you will

[0:09:46] Voice 17: have an opportunity as an applicant to speak to us during the actual application so you need to

[0:09:52] Voice 17: feel like you have to address us during the actual application itself, sorry, during the

[0:09:59] Voice 17: actual town hall itself, I'm sorry, I stumbled a little bit there.

[0:10:06] So, for

[0:10:06] Voice 17: example, I know there's a representative of the CRD here, nice to see you again, you'll

[0:10:10] Voice 17: have an opportunity to speak to your application when we get to that, but if you are someone

[0:10:14] Voice 17: who's just interested in one of the applications that are on the agenda, or you want to speak

[0:10:19] Voice 17: to one of those or something else that's on our agenda please take this opportunity to do that

[0:10:23] Voice 17: um so uh i'm gonna just i think there's a number of people so we'll start i saw your hand first

[0:10:30] Voice 17: um and i'm sorry if i don't recognize you with the masks on

[0:10:34] Voice 4: i know i i

[0:10:34] Voice 17: know i know you

[0:10:35] Voice 17: i

[0:10:36] Voice 4: just wanted to note that there were a couple of places in the agenda package where

[0:10:45] Voice 4: groundwater was mentioned. And after the recent atmospheric river events, issues

[0:10:51] Voice 4: related to groundwater and groundwater recharge are top of mind. Adding to that

[0:10:57] Voice 4: concerns related to slope stability and geology of the

[0:11:02] Voice 4: island in general. I'd like to point out that the Maine Island Conservancy is

[0:11:07] Voice 4: hosting two important Zoom presentations starting this Wednesday, November 25th

[0:11:13] Voice 4: at 7pm with a

[0:11:14] Voice 4: presentation on the geology of Main Island. The second presentation, oh

[0:11:19] Voice 4: by the way, that was studies that were done by graduate students out of the University

[0:11:24] Voice 4: of Calgary. The second presentation is on December 8th and it features the Islands Trust's

[0:11:31] Voice 4: groundwater specialist, Lillian Shoba, who will speak on groundwater recharge potential

[0:11:36] Voice 4: for the island. Both of these topics are very timely

[0:11:40] Voice 4: and highly informative and I encourage

[0:11:43] Voice 4: I encourage our local trust committee and staff to attend these meetings, which will also be recorded.

[0:11:51] Voice 17: Okay, thank you for that. I've seen that somewhere in the agenda of our correspondence, so thank you for that.

[0:11:57] Voice 17: And yes, very timely. Okay, so I saw a hand over here. Yes?

[0:12:01] Voice 17: Yeah,

[0:12:02] Voice 15: I'm Louie Valiant, former trustee. Normally I would have an extra copy of this with the secretary, but seeing as you're recording, we don't have to do that.

[0:12:10] Voice 17: besides my printer

[0:12:11] Voice 15: and on the face but i'm a

[0:12:13] Voice 15: former trustee and i'm

[0:12:14] Voice 17: certainly i'm sorry

[0:12:15] Voice 17: we're supposed to be masked throughout this

[0:12:17] Voice 15: yeah that's okay i'm sorry i know it's very

[0:12:20] Voice 8: inconvenient

[0:12:20] Voice 17: to have to speak through a mask

[0:12:22] Voice 8: and

[0:12:24] Voice 17: uh we don't and just to clarify we didn't ask for

[0:12:28] Voice 17: vaccine passports and but you heard me talking about that but we do require masking throughout

[0:12:33] Voice 17: those i will speak clearly and loudly thank you very much nice to meet you sir

[0:12:37] Voice 15: okay well i'm

[0:12:38] Voice 15: I'm president of the Association of Main Island Voters,

[0:12:41] Voice 15: and although we have not canvassed our 200 or so members,

[0:12:45] Voice 15: I'm sure most of them would support

[0:12:48] Voice 15: the Capital Regional District's application

[0:12:52] Voice 15: for a bearing permit on the Anson Road project.

[0:12:57] Voice 15: The Trust's in-depth and comprehensive staff report

[0:13:01] Voice 15: supports the application also.

[0:13:03] Voice 15: To meet the constrictions on the lot,

[0:13:07] Voice 15: mainly the parking requirements,

[0:13:09] Voice 15: the turnaround and granting neighbors access the CRD has to violate the bylaws

[0:13:15] Voice 15: the trust's own bylaws has created almost an impossible situation I think

[0:13:22] Voice 15: the CRD did the best they could to meet those requirements except for a minor

[0:13:27] Voice 15: infraction so our hope is that the Main Island trustees will support this

[0:13:32] Voice 15: variance application thank you very much thanks for

[0:13:35] Voice 17: your input anybody else wish

[0:13:38] Voice 17: to speak to the committee about an application that's on our agenda or some other item that's

[0:13:44] Voice 17: on our agenda uh this is your opportunity yes sir can you tell me where on the agenda this

[0:13:49] Voice 17: uh application for the answer no project yeah it's number uh 10.2 at page 46. okay it's the

[0:14:01] Voice 17: The Capital Regional District, yeah, that's it, that's the DDP, yeah, good, okay, yeah,

[0:14:09] Voice 17: so we're...

[0:14:09] Voice 17: Will there be an

[0:14:10] Voice 9: opportunity to show our support for the voting practice, or is it just...

[0:14:14] Voice 17: This would be a good time to do that.

[0:14:18] Voice 9: My name is Angela Tisdall, my name is Angela Tisdall, and I'm here to support the application

[0:14:25] Voice 9: for the variants as well, so I'm hopeful that you guys will hear the application, and I'd

[0:14:32] Voice 9: like to show my support.

[0:14:32] Voice 9: okay

[0:14:33] Voice 17: thank you very much yes well I knew I have

[0:14:39] Voice 3: been actually given a heads up

[0:14:40] Voice 17: that the number of the voters would be here but you can do that if you'd like

[0:14:45] Voice 17: me to is that like we

[0:14:46] Voice 5: spoke we spoke on behalf of the 200 plus and we've had

[0:14:55] Voice 5: we've had emails letters of support as well so

[0:14:58] Voice 17: I can I assume a number of you

[0:14:59] Voice 17: were here to support that application i see

[0:15:01] Voice 17: a lot of nods nods nods nods

[0:15:04] Voice 19: nods i just want to ask

[0:15:08] Voice 19: what are we putting our hands up about because i couldn't understand what louis saying oh sorry

[0:15:13] Voice 17: so so at some point shortly when we get to it on the agenda there's a variance application

[0:15:20] Voice 17: by the crd to allow them to vary the setback from the ocean for relation to their their block wall

[0:15:28] Voice 17: all structured down at the Anson Road dock.

[0:15:30] Voice 17: And there are a number of the voters

[0:15:32] Voice 17: that are here that are here to support the CRD

[0:15:35] Voice 17: and urging the local trust committee to grant that area.

[0:15:41] Voice 17: I'm short-forming, but that's what it is.

[0:15:43] Voice 17: David?

[0:15:45] Voice 19: Well, I'd just like to add something.

[0:15:47] Voice 19: With this lot that are raining this hay,

[0:15:50] Voice 19: there's

[0:15:51] Voice 3: not much less than

[0:15:52] Voice 19: a dock there, is there?

[0:15:55] Voice 5: We're aware of the

[0:15:56] Voice 19: sea, but we're aware.

[0:15:57] Voice 5: And CRD

[0:15:57] Voice 19: is a lot smaller.

[0:15:58] Voice 19: I don't

[0:15:58] Voice 19: know, so how come we,

[0:15:59] Voice 5: how come we...

[0:16:00] Voice 5: Well, see, the unfortunate part about having Town Hall before we actually talk about the actual,

[0:16:05] Voice 5: before CRD actually talks about Anson Road is there's a lot of information,

[0:16:10] Voice 5: so could we not at the end of the conversation about Anson Road then ask for conversation?

[0:16:15] Voice 5: I

[0:16:15] Voice 17: know you like to do things that way, I try not to turn every application into a topic, into a public hearing,

[0:16:21] Voice 17: but if you'd like to have that conversation at that point, I'm willing,

[0:16:26] Voice 17: and the trustees want that, then we can do that.

[0:16:29] Voice 5: Well, just otherwise it makes it difficult, I think,

[0:16:32] Voice 5: because there's a lot of information.

[0:16:34] Voice 5: The CRD is here to talk about what's going on.

[0:16:36] Voice 17: So you would like to sort of have some community dialogue about it?

[0:16:39] Voice 5: Yeah, we should probably have the delegation from the CRD.

[0:16:42] Voice 17: Well, we've got an application.

[0:16:43] Voice 17: We can have a community dialogue if you think that's appropriate.

[0:16:47] Voice 17: I just don't, hopefully, turn it into a public hearing.

[0:16:52] Voice 17: Okay, so, yes, sir.

[0:16:54] Voice 3: My name is Mike Simulich.

[0:16:56] Voice 3: I understand that in the spring there was to have been a water hydrogeologist report issued in the spring.

[0:17:04] Voice 3: And the report that comes with the meeting documents, is that a long-awaited report, or is there a different report?

[0:17:12] Voice 17: A hydrologist report about what?

[0:17:15] Voice 3: The aquifers in the southern no-fire.

[0:17:17] Voice 17: Oh, so, no, I don't believe there's a report about it in our package this time.

[0:17:28] Voice 17: Yeah, actually, Nerissa is a good person to answer.

[0:17:30] Voice 17: I could answer, but Nerissa is actually working directly on that project.

[0:17:35] Voice 17: Yeah,

[0:17:35] Voice 7: so I've been working with William Sheldon, who's our hydrogeologist.

[0:17:40] Voice 7: And so over the course of the last two years, there's been a lot of research and data collecting.

[0:17:47] Voice 7: And now, he's just actually right now received, and all of the information has been peer-reviewed.

[0:17:54] Voice 7: So he's received the final reports from the consultant just a couple of weeks ago, and the plan at this point is to have them available to the public.

[0:18:05] Voice 7: So it'll include information from Main Island, as well as a few other islands in the Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:18:12] Voice 7: And those will be available, the intention is to have them available by December 1st, so there'll be reports that'll be posted on our website.

[0:18:20] Voice 7: You can access them if you go in. There is actually a page for fresh water. That's where they'll be posted.

[0:18:26] Voice 7: So if you check in about a week or so, a little bit more than a week, you'll be able to access all of that information.

[0:18:33] Voice 7: And then the presentation that was put out that the Conservancy is going to be holding, that's William.

[0:18:40] Voice 7: So that, I would encourage everybody to, if you're interested, to attend that because that's where he will,

[0:18:46] Voice 7: So he describes, you know, he goes all the way from providing the information to understand what the maps are telling us,

[0:18:56] Voice 7: and then he'll have some specific information on Megan Island, the information that's contained in the research that we sort of finalized.

[0:19:06] Voice 7: And I

[0:19:07] Voice 4: should have pointed out that those Zoom presentations are free.

[0:19:12] Voice 4: you have to go on to our website to register for them under events and there

[0:19:18] are limitations to the number of people who can be posted. We have a cap of 100.

[0:19:24] The

[0:19:24] Voice 4: ticket sales, so to speak, are open. Thank you. That answers your questions.

[0:19:31] Thank you, sir. Anybody else wishes to speak on this

[0:19:37] Voice 17: or any topic on our agenda or our work program?

[0:19:41] Voice 17: Well,

[0:19:42] Voice 19: can we raise some questions about this flex housing right now, or is that going to be done later on?

[0:19:47] Voice 17: I think this would be a good time to do that, too.

[0:19:50] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:19:51] Voice 19: I'd like to bring up some questions about why this flex housing is progressing without any conference or referendum or discussion with the residents of Wooddale.

[0:20:07] Voice 19: Wooddale is already looking like Vancouver downtown, east side, tents, beat up trailers

[0:20:16] Voice 19: and everything because A, the trust won't...

[0:20:21] Please don't point your finger at me.

[0:20:22] Okay, then

[0:20:24] Voice 19: I'll point my piece of paper.

[0:20:25] Voice 19: The trust, the trust will not enforce the bylaws, CRD will not come over to enforce

[0:20:34] Voice 19: force the bylaws, and now you want to impose extra people who are all going to be living

[0:20:44] Voice 19: in whatever it is, because opposite me, we have a person, two 42-foot boats, a fifth

[0:20:54] Voice 19: wheel, a trailer, a motorhome, two beat-up cars, and a yurt.

[0:21:07] Voice 19: My point is that Wooddale is already looking like downtown east side Vancouver, and you

[0:21:20] Voice 17: can

[0:21:20] Voice 19: encourage more.

[0:21:23] Voice 17: Are you done?

[0:21:25] Voice 17: Thanks.

[0:21:26] Voice 17: I can answer a little bit of your question, and then I think probably Trustee Dodds can

[0:21:30] Voice 17: answer a little bit of your question.

[0:21:33] Voice 17: So, first of all, we did have three community information meetings where we tried to engage

[0:21:39] Voice 17: people on the issue of distributed and flexible housing.

[0:21:45] Voice 19: Did you notify anybody on Wooddale?

[0:21:48] Voice 17: Everybody on Main Island

[0:21:49] Voice 17: would have been notified.

[0:21:50] Voice 19: Sir,

[0:21:50] Voice 17: please let me speak.

[0:21:51] Voice 17: I listened to you.

[0:21:52] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:21:53] Voice 19: You

[0:21:53] Voice 17: can let me have my moment.

[0:21:55] Voice 17: moment so we have three community information meetings and and we had a

[0:22:00] Voice 17: number of people come some of whom were supportive of many of them were

[0:22:04] Voice 17: supportive we're at the beginning stages of the process in the sense that we

[0:22:08] Voice 17: haven't even that we have the draft bylaws in front of us and there will be

[0:22:12] Voice 17: further community information processes and public hearings if we decide to

[0:22:17] Voice 17: proceed any further did you want to speak I just

[0:22:20] Voice 5: I think there's a huge

[0:22:21] Voice 5: misunderstanding. Flex housing specifically leads to no RVs. Nothing that is an RV. Flex

[0:22:27] Voice 5: housing is about the concept that instead of a single property owner building a mega

[0:22:32] Voice 5: house, which a lot of properties can do based on the 20% log coverage, we are now moving

[0:22:38] Voice 5: towards a process which hopefully will be island wide before I die because I want to

[0:22:43] Voice 5: know where all these people are going to get housed before I die. And the concept is instead

[0:22:47] Voice 5: instead of building that mega home,

[0:22:48] Voice 5: the property owner could be offered

[0:22:50] Voice 5: the alternative of maybe building two small homes.

[0:22:53] Voice 5: It has nothing to do with the mess on Wooddale.

[0:22:56] Voice 5: Wooddale has a mess that is to do

[0:22:58] Voice 5: not with the Island Trust zoning,

[0:22:59] Voice 5: but more to do with the CRD

[0:23:01] Voice 5: and how they put in the red zone,

[0:23:03] Voice 5: how they made some of those properties not worth anything.

[0:23:06] Voice 5: Later on in the conversation,

[0:23:08] Voice 5: we're going to talk about getting a Zoom meeting

[0:23:10] Voice 5: together with the CRD to talk about what they're doing there,

[0:23:13] Voice 5: going back to the mess across from your house,

[0:23:16] Voice 5: which I see three times a week I know what you're talking about but those are

[0:23:20] Voice 5: bylaw files either CRD file people have to complain about them then either

[0:23:25] Voice 5: Islands Trust will come in but that one is a probably CRD unsightly premises

[0:23:30] Voice 5: bylaw we zoned property for a resident somebody wants to bring in a bunch of

[0:23:35] Voice 5: junkers that's somewhat outside of our jurisdiction how things look the mess

[0:23:40] Voice 5: that's going on down there is not something that the trust created a lot

[0:23:44] Voice 5: of what happened was the ministry

[0:23:46] Voice 5: of transport created this mess with the red zone so i don't

[0:23:50] Voice 5: think you know we talk about this all day but i think you're completely on the wrong topic

[0:23:54] Voice 5: the flex housing has nothing to do with the problems you have in wooddale

[0:23:58] Voice 5: and i know dave later on in the meeting we're going to talk about those problems but flex

[0:24:03] Voice 5: housing is

[0:24:03] Voice 19: on your side

[0:24:04] Voice 5: interject there's not one mega house on wooddale you've

[0:24:07] Voice 19: got to go to

[0:24:08] Voice 5: the beach we're

[0:24:09] Voice 5: changing you came here about 40 years ago i came here 61 years ago our island

[0:24:14] Voice 5: is changing and

[0:24:15] Voice 19: we have to get

[0:24:16] Voice 5: ready for the change so we will be having that conversation

[0:24:19] Voice 5: and we will be having meetings you can come to either speak

[0:24:22] Voice 5: for it or against it but it's not

[0:24:25] Voice 5: really related to the issues of all the unsightly messes you currently have and wooddale's not the

[0:24:30] Voice 5: only area it's just more noticeable because it's a dead end so you get to drive it twice which i

[0:24:35] Voice 5: get to do lots i think no i don't i think you have at some point we will never get to our

[0:24:42] Voice 5: No,

[0:24:42] Voice 17: no, I'm ready. This isn't a thing.

[0:24:45] Voice 19: You've asked your question.

[0:24:46] Voice 19: I'm just saying that the flex housing was directly related to the access of water.

[0:24:53] Voice 5: No, no.

[0:24:55] Voice 19: What we did

[0:24:55] Voice 5: is I asked that the trust committee write a letter to the CRD water district

[0:25:00] Voice 5: because our other private water districts specifically do not want the concept of flex housing.

[0:25:06] Voice 5: They're struggling to keep their water systems running.

[0:25:08] Voice 5: We asked the CRD, who I've had my own personal conversations with the water provider, with the understanding that there is adequate water in that area.

[0:25:18] Voice 5: It's not a lack of water, you have arsenic, but it's not a lack of water.

[0:25:22] Voice 5: So if that particular water district, which happens to be run by the CRD, feels that it can handle more dwellings within its water district area, that's what we're waiting to hear from the CRD.

[0:25:33] Voice 5: Otherwise, we have very few areas where we can actually increase density.

[0:25:37] Voice 5: This is about increasing density, without having to do a rezoning for a 100 unit whatever, or a 10 unit whatever.

[0:25:43] Voice 5: But if we don't increase density, by the time you're long gone and I'm long gone, people won't

[0:25:49] Voice 8: be able to live here.

[0:25:50] Voice 5: And we have

[0:25:51] Voice 5: flex housing on the agenda, so we can argue about it then, but right now it's kind of out of context.

[0:26:02] Voice 19: to the manager of the ward district at CRD, and she knew nothing about this application.

[0:26:14] Voice 17: It's not an application, and if you read the report, you'll see that the staff has not

[0:26:19] Voice 17: had a response yet from the CRD.

[0:26:21] Voice 17: So thank you very much, so I'm going to move on, and is there anybody else who wishes to

[0:26:26] Voice 17: speak during town hall okay then we'll thank you very much for all of that we'll move on through

[0:26:34] Voice 17: the agenda uh there is no cim there's no public hearing we have a local trust committee minutes

[0:26:42] Voice 17: dated september the 27th because we actually missed our october meeting as you many of you

[0:26:49] Voice 17: will know there was a small a small windstorm that shut everybody down for about 36 hours and i

[0:26:57] Voice 17: couldn't get here and then the whole island went out i understand um is there a do i have a couple

[0:27:03] Voice 17: of amendments to make to it and i know they weren't your minutes lauren but i wonder if

[0:27:08] Voice 17: you could record um these and i just need to find my package bear with me it's on page four um

[0:27:43] Voice 7: um

[0:27:44] Voice 17: it's about uh it's about um about the uh it was recorded

[0:27:53] Voice 17: why is this not going up no nothing is working today no page four of the packet

[0:28:16] Voice 17: um so where it says under 7.1 it says player traffic reported the main island's housing

[0:28:24] Voice 17: society housing agreements with the lawyer who is also writing the covenant

[0:28:27] it um i wanted to make sure that that read

[0:28:29] Voice 17: that the that the draft housing agreement

[0:28:34] Voice 17: is with the islands trust lawyer so there was no confusion about that uh the second

[0:28:44] Voice 17: uh piece that i had was two pages down did you get that one um and that was

[0:28:52] Voice 17: This is on page six of the package

[0:28:55] Voice 17: under 10.4, where it talks about the Trust Council Policy

[0:29:02] Voice 17: Statement By-law number 183.

[0:29:07] Voice 17: Second paragraph, it says, Executive Council has approved, and there is funding, and that

[0:29:12] Voice 17: should read, Trust Council has approved, and there is funding for a public engagement.

[0:29:18] Voice 2: Yeah,

[0:29:20] Voice 17: that was a Trust Council.

[0:29:21] Voice 17: by that point there had been a trust council resolution so

[0:29:25] Voice 2: the only change to the wording

[0:29:26] Voice 2: is trust council has approved right yeah

[0:29:28] Voice 17: instead of executive council should read trust council

[0:29:31] Voice 17: okay uh i have no other trustee i didn't see anything from you so then uh can i take those

[0:29:38] Voice 17: minutes approved as uh amended uh we then had a couple of resolutions without meeting

[0:29:46] Voice 17: um those are found on page 10 of our package these are we sometimes do administrative business

[0:29:54] Voice 17: by resolution without meeting and there were two resolutions without meeting and they're

[0:29:58] Voice 17: here for the information.

[0:30:00] Voice 17: So having done those, they're public.

[0:30:02] Voice 17: Those are matters that are done without debate,

[0:30:05] and they're just simply done by

[0:30:07] Voice 17: correspondence.

[0:30:09] Voice 17: The next item, we have some APC minutes here.

[0:30:14] Voice 17: And just so we're clear,

[0:30:17] Voice 17: and I thank you to the reporter for bringing this to our attention,

[0:30:22] Voice 17: even though they say draft.

[0:30:26] Voice 2: No, she said draft, but the adopted ones are there.

[0:30:29] Voice 17: Yes, I know.

[0:30:30] Voice 17: No, they might

[0:30:32] Voice 2: be different, because when they were amended, I didn't make comment of the amended ones, and there weren't too many.

[0:30:40] Voice 17: I see, so you want me to pass these out to

[0:30:43] Voice 2: the other trustees?

[0:30:44] Voice 17: No,

[0:30:44] Voice 2: they're passing to the adopters.

[0:30:46] Voice 17: I misunderstood so I'm handing those so we received adopted minutes for

[0:30:55] Voice 17: the Maynard Island APC two sets from September 22nd and October the 6th

[0:31:02] Voice 17: and a draft set from October the 13th

[0:31:05] Voice 2: and the draft set was not in your package correct although

[0:31:08] Voice 17: Although the report was.

[0:31:10] Voice 17: Yeah.

[0:31:11] Voice 17: So all of these are, sorry, you got it?

[0:31:15] Voice 17: Okay, so we've now received, we can record that we received the adopted minutes from September 22nd and October the 6th,

[0:31:26] Voice 17: draft minutes from October 13th, as well as the report from the APC of October the 13th.

[0:31:33] Voice 2: Where are we putting that?

[0:31:34] Voice 2: Where did you want that recorded?

[0:31:36] Voice 2: In here?

[0:31:37] Voice 2: what section are we on uh

[0:31:39] Voice 17: seven six point three oh

[0:31:40] Voice 2: okay oh right okay and

[0:31:42] Voice 17: these are all just for

[0:31:43] Voice 17: receipt yes okay so that gets us through that uh now we have a follow-up action list which starts

[0:31:57] Voice 17: at page 25 no 23 so um trustees do you have any questions for the planner related to any of the

[0:32:11] Voice 17: follow-up action. Trustee Maud, do you have any questions?

[0:32:19] Voice 5: No, that's a lot of work that's been completed, thank you very much.

[0:32:24] Voice 17: I just should add that, Trustee Maud, it's under on page 23, and I emailed you about this, but

[0:32:31] Voice 17: the letter related, the wayfinding, for whatever reason the advocacy letters are supposed

[0:32:39] to go through uh director freighter's shop now so she didn't know if it had been completed so you

[0:32:46] Voice 17: might and i and so she asked me so i asked you so you said you did it quite a while ago and uh just

[0:32:54] Voice 17: so you know that other letters would go through her shop and robert parlor okay thanks um that's

[0:33:02] Voice 17: it that's it for the follow-up action lesson unless there's something you need to flag for

[0:33:06] Voice 17: No,

[0:33:08] Voice 7: I just understand that the one in the program is related to engagement on the trust policy statement and it's based on a complete media and placeholder, but the staff that are involved in that process are aware of maintenance.

[0:33:27] Voice 17: Yeah, I will say they are now, but when we got a staff report related to this at the executive committee on Wednesday, it wasn't recorded there.

[0:33:37] Voice 17: So I've reminded Claire of the motion, and it wasn't the only one that had the motion

[0:33:45] Voice 17: from the LTC not recorded.

[0:33:46] Voice 17: Anyway, they are aware of that.

[0:33:49] Voice 17: They hopefully are now.

[0:33:50] Voice 17: So thank you.

[0:33:51] Voice 17: Thank you.

[0:33:52] Voice 17: We passed a motion to have a half-day workshop with IT staff available.

[0:33:59] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:34:00] Voice 17: That takes us to the correspondence.

[0:34:03] Voice 17: There's no delegations.

[0:34:04] Voice 17: We have correspondence.

[0:34:07] Voice 17: There's a Correspondence from the Main Island Conservancy regarding Calabieres.

[0:34:14] Voice 5: Well, and Blackfield.

[0:34:15] Voice 5: What

[0:34:18] Voice 17: would you like to do with the Correspondence?

[0:34:21] For me, I just, I just, an outstandingly well-produced piece of Correspondence from the Ministry

[0:34:27] was concerned over the overabundant deer population on the Island, and I was wondering if it was

[0:34:33] appropriate for either us as a Local Trust Committee, or

[0:34:37] Voice 1: if we booted up the line to

[0:34:38] Voice 1: to Trust Council, write a letter of support,

[0:34:43] Voice 1: basically supporting the content of this letter

[0:34:45] Voice 1: because it speaks strongly, it speaks well,

[0:34:48] Voice 1: and we all know the issues.

[0:34:51] Voice 1: And I just think that if we did something

[0:34:54] Voice 1: to bolster the Conservancy on this,

[0:34:57] Voice 1: it would be very much in the best interest of everybody.

[0:35:02] Voice 17: Trustee Dodd, you've been around this issue for years,

[0:35:05] Voice 17: and perhaps, and you have experience with Trust Council

[0:35:09] Voice 17: and local trust committee you probably have a perspective on this I

[0:35:13] Voice 5: don't know

[0:35:19] Voice 5: that our local trust committee has ever written specifically to the minister

[0:35:24] Voice 5: certainly the volunteer committee has met various ministry staff members so

[0:35:29] Voice 5: certainly we can write our own letter of support but it really is a larger

[0:35:34] Voice 5: in conversation i'm just not quite sure where whether trust council whether we should maybe

[0:35:40] Voice 5: try to take this back to trust council they've actually brought it to trust council many years

[0:35:44] Voice 5: ago specifically to the black tail and trust council i'm going to answer that that's probably

[0:35:50] Voice 5: where the cloud is so i think if that i don't know if we can get it can't get on the agenda

[0:35:54] Voice 5: for december i think we should be looking at march um so i think maybe if you can pursue

[0:35:59] Voice 5: Sue, that I, if you need a motion, that I would support a motion asking Trust Council to look at this.

[0:36:05] Voice 5: Because it's, you know, we

[0:36:06] Voice 5: have an extra serious problem on me because the fallow deer really do exasperate it.

[0:36:12] Voice 5: But it is an island-wide issue in terms of where they're only black-tailed.

[0:36:18] Voice 5: But nothing on the scale.

[0:36:20] Voice 5: And we've had no support in all nine years from Trust Council on the fallow deer issue.

[0:36:24] Voice 5: There's no support.

[0:36:26] Voice 5: So Dave, take that.

[0:36:27] Voice 5: you get the motion i

[0:36:31] Voice 1: think simply if we just make the motion of the mainland conservancy society be

[0:36:37] forwarded to trust council um what

[0:36:41] Voice 1: would the wording be for consideration and what would be

[0:36:43] Voice 1: the for

[0:36:44] Voice 5: consideration and action yeah for the

[0:36:47] Voice 5: march agenda with that i mean we're gonna end

[0:36:49] Voice 5: up with another matter but trust council really has skirted around for the following year

[0:36:53] Voice 5: well you're

[0:36:55] Voice 17: right about one thing if this the package is completed it

[0:36:58] Voice 5: has to come as a late

[0:37:00] Voice 17: Well,

[0:37:00] Voice 5: I think it can come from our, but I don't think we need it.

[0:37:02] Voice 17: This is not the time for public comment.

[0:37:05] Voice 17: No, no, no.

[0:37:06] Voice 5: No, this is our meeting.

[0:37:08] Voice 17: This is our meeting, it's not

[0:37:09] Voice 19: your meeting.

[0:37:11] Voice 19: Yeah, it's our meeting.

[0:37:12] Voice 19: Are we here to listen?

[0:37:13] Voice 19: Yes.

[0:37:14] Voice 19: Well, that's what Town

[0:37:18] Voice 17: Hall is for, sir.

[0:37:21] Voice 17: Or democracy.

[0:37:24] Voice 17: I think that we would,

[0:37:26] Voice 17: since

[0:37:27] Voice 5: it is a business meeting of the local press committee, we have

[0:37:30] Voice 5: another chance at cat and roll at the end of the meeting.

[0:37:32] Voice 19: No.

[0:37:34] Voice 19: No.

[0:37:34] Voice 19: No.

[0:37:35] Voice 5: No.

[0:37:37] Voice 19: No.

[0:37:37] Voice 19: No.

[0:37:38] Voice 5: No.

[0:37:38] Voice 5: No.

[0:37:39] Voice 5: No.

[0:37:39] Voice 5: No.

[0:37:40] Voice 5: No.

[0:37:40] Voice 5: No.

[0:37:40] Voice 5: No.

[0:37:41] Voice 5: No.

[0:37:48] Voice 17: No.

[0:37:49] Voice 17: probably want to be if you want it on the agenda for december no it's

[0:37:52] Voice 19: march okay

[0:37:53] Voice 17: then you can

[0:37:55] Voice 17: certainly do that that i was going to say because you could ask the ec to add it as a late item we

[0:37:59] Voice 5: already know that march is going to be overwhelmed mean december

[0:38:02] Voice 5: december can

[0:38:04] Voice 4: i point out that peter

[0:38:05] Voice 4: luckham was uh yeah he

[0:38:07] Voice 17: would be sending

[0:38:08] Voice 4: it to trust counsel and

[0:38:09] Voice 17: for whatever reason it didn't

[0:38:11] Voice 17: end up on our our ec agenda and i don't know why that is probably because it was addressed to him

[0:38:16] Voice 17: the loan and he didn't forward it for whatever reason and it doesn't have a date on it yeah

[0:38:20] Voice 5: or

[0:38:21] Voice 17: does it probably does anyways

[0:38:23] Voice 5: the point is that we need a motion to put it on the march

[0:38:27] Voice 5: trustee council agenda and

[0:38:31] Voice 17: i would suggest if you want it on the agenda you might want to also ask

[0:38:34] Voice 17: for a specific action step by the trust council but that's up to you guys what you what you would

[0:38:40] Voice 17: ask them to do and

[0:38:42] Voice 5: ask for ask for support support for the main island

[0:38:47] Voice 5: conservative okay so i think we're

[0:38:49] Voice 5: formulating a motion

[0:38:52] Voice 1: so you want to read on what you have so far

[0:38:56] Voice 1: it

[0:38:56] Voice 2: was moved well the main island local trust committee

[0:39:03] Voice 2: um that the letter well actually what

[0:39:05] Voice 17: i have is a letter from the main island

[0:39:07] Voice 17: That

[0:39:07] Voice 2: the letter of the

[0:39:08] Voice 2: Maine Island Conservancy Society be forwarded to the Trust Council for consideration and action for the March agenda.

[0:39:13] Voice 2: But we need a clear motion for that.

[0:39:17] Voice 17: Yeah, be forwarded to the Maine Island Local Trust Committee with a request for support for the Maine Island Conservancy's correspondence.

[0:39:25] Voice 2: Okay,

[0:39:26] Voice 5: we're sending it to Trust Council.

[0:39:28] Voice 2: Exactly.

[0:39:29] Voice 2: You said Maine Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:39:31] Voice 2: We're sending it to Trust Council.

[0:39:33] Voice 2: The Maine Island Conservancy.

[0:39:34] Voice 2: Okay,

[0:39:35] Voice 10: so the report.

[0:39:35] Voice 10: I

[0:39:35] Voice 2: would like the board, that the Maine Island Local Trust Committee send the letter of the

[0:39:41] Voice 2: Maine Island Conservancy Society to the Trust Council.

[0:39:43] Voice 2: For the letter.

[0:39:44] Voice 2: Okay

[0:39:44] Voice 1: that the Maine Island Local

[0:39:45] Voice 2: Trust Board, the letter of the Maine Island Conservancy

[0:39:49] Voice 2: Society.

[0:39:50] Voice 2: To Trust Council.

[0:39:51] Voice 2: To Trust Council.

[0:39:52] Voice 2: With for, go ahead.

[0:39:54] Voice 2: I was going to say for action.

[0:39:55] Voice 2: For consideration and action.

[0:39:57] Voice 2: For consideration and action.

[0:39:58] Voice 2: For the March agenda.

[0:39:59] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:39:59] Voice 2: For the Trust Council March agenda?

[0:40:01] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:40:02] Voice 2: Not for the.

[0:40:03] Voice 2: No.

[0:40:03] Voice 2: Trust Council.

[0:40:04] Voice 2: No, we don't. We've

[0:40:05] Voice 5: already sent various letters and they've puffed and puffed and wasted a lot of time.

[0:40:10] Voice 17: So, this story with you, Trustee Monk, are you content with that one?

[0:40:14] Voice 17: I definitely second it.

[0:40:17] Voice 5: Okay,

[0:40:17] Voice 17: is there any further discussion related to that?

[0:40:19] Voice 17: No.

[0:40:19] Voice 17: Okay, then I'll call the vote all in favor.

[0:40:23] Voice 17: All right, the next correspondence on the agenda is in relation to Wooddale Drive.

[0:40:33] Voice 17: And very little context related to this other than having driven it a couple of times.

[0:40:40] Voice 17: So why don't you guys, how would you like to respond to this and the other correspondence

[0:40:45] Voice 17: and some of the comments you've received?

[0:40:47] Voice 8: And Dave, are you going to talk about your idea?

[0:40:49] Voice 1: Well, my, to me, the ideal outcome of this meeting and these pieces of correspondence

[0:40:54] Voice 1: that we've recently received is that we arrange a meeting, a joint meeting of CRD and Islands

[0:41:00] Voice 1: Trust, particularly by law officers, to discuss Wooddale from one end to the other. We

[0:41:10] Voice 1: have many many letters in recent weeks that have come our way and there are issues

[0:41:17] Voice 1: everywhere from burned-up buildings that have not been cleaned up to, as we've

[0:41:22] Voice 1: heard, multiple dwelling units, various descriptions on properties, to public

[0:41:32] Voice 1: health issues to event vehicle issues it's it's a long list and I think

[0:41:39] Voice 1: there's a there's a value and we getting both of responsible governing bodies

[0:41:44] Voice 1: together I look many fingers to each other and have some discussion we did

[0:41:50] Voice 1: this about a year ago about building inspection and I think the solution to

[0:41:56] Voice 1: this is a joint discussion and perhaps maybe out of that joint discussion there

[0:42:01] Voice 1: there might be a public meeting but at least let's get together and talk about it and find

[0:42:07] Voice 1: a resolution to many many issues on this particular track so

[0:42:12] Voice 5: we need a motion so do you

[0:42:15] Voice 1: agree with that concept

[0:42:16] Voice 5: that

[0:42:17] Voice 1: staff that

[0:42:19] Voice 1: staff um arrange a joint meeting between crd island's trust

[0:42:28] Voice 1: trust, CRD by-law, CRD director, and Island Trust trustees,

[0:42:41] Voice 5: and our by

[0:42:43] Voice 1: -law. I call this

[0:42:44] Voice 1: Island Trust staff, as soon as possible.

[0:42:51] Voice 2: I'll second that motion.

[0:42:53] Voice 1: Let's see what we've got.

[0:42:55] Voice 2: Ms. Moved to conduct that staff arrange a joint meeting between CRD, Island Trust staff,

[0:43:00] Voice 2: CRD by-law, CRD director, and trustees as soon as possible.

[0:43:05] Voice 1: To discuss. To discuss.

[0:43:07] Voice 1: And

[0:43:08] Voice 2: to discuss various

[0:43:09] Voice 1: issues with regards to Wooddale Drive.

[0:43:15] Voice 5: And one of the issues is the red zone and the fact that we always understood the red zone could not be built on

[0:43:22] Voice 5: and yet we're seeing trailers and septic systems going in and being hooked up to the CRB water department.

[0:43:29] Voice 5: So we have a lot of questions. So if we have a Zoom meeting with CRB staff,

[0:43:35] Voice 5: if there's more questions coming from the community send that to Dave and I

[0:43:39] Voice 5: ahead of time I'm not sure that we can turn this into a public meeting right

[0:43:42] Voice 5: now but we could start because those are where the questions are coming now is

[0:43:46] Voice 5: receive things going on never mind the clutter in terms of defining and even

[0:43:52] Voice 5: even the burnt out house has been or you may not be aware of it but all of the

[0:43:56] Voice 5: debris is still sitting at the end of Wooddale about the house that burned

[0:44:00] Voice 5: down and we've written to crd um asking to actually change it island's trust is not a

[0:44:05] Voice 5: service provider we've put in place zoning but we can't we don't we're not set up so we can go and

[0:44:11] Voice 5: clean up that mess and yet crd had signs up there no dumping but they've never taken any action

[0:44:16] Voice 5: or gotten after the landowner to clean that up and then there's a whole variety of other issues

[0:44:21] Voice 5: on many pieces of property and crd is responsible for unsightly premises all that debris that city

[0:44:28] Voice 5: in abandoned properties at the 20 odd red zone property so so we're going to seek to have a

[0:44:35] Voice 5: meeting if we get to have a meeting we certainly would report back to the community but we're

[0:44:39] Voice 5: going to do that it's very frustrating right now what's going on that's kind of where we're at

[0:44:46] Voice 17: so what was the end of the motion because a lot of that was shouldn't have been in the motion

[0:44:56] Voice 17: so we got that so it's with regards to wooddale drive so the motions as a step um well john do

[0:45:04] Voice 17: you have anything to i mean i know the last time i think it was the regional planning manager that

[0:45:08] Voice 17: helped organize that he may take this off again yeah well

[0:45:12] Voice 7: i'll have a conversation okay

[0:45:14] Voice 17: yeah okay

[0:45:15] Voice 17: okay

[0:45:15] Voice 7: so

[0:45:16] Voice 17: that's been moved and seconded any further discussion

[0:45:24] Voice 17: Thank you very much, and thank you to the people who are writing, it sounds frustrating.

[0:45:38] Voice 17: Because I was late, we have the correspondence related to the Georgina Point light station,

[0:45:44] Voice 17: but I don't have the earlier look, so I'm not quite sure what the context of this is,

[0:45:49] Voice 17: but I'm sure you do. Is this just for receipt, or is this for any kind of action?

[0:45:54] Voice 17: at this

[0:45:55] Voice 5: point but yeah the lighthouse has been very much neglected but i think as i think we

[0:46:03] Voice 5: have this new case he's humbled in charge and it looks like maybe from her last sentence which is

[0:46:09] Voice 5: thank you again for connecting with us we'll continue to look for ways to work together to

[0:46:12] Voice 5: ensure the appropriate maintenance and safe use of the structures that you're looking to point get

[0:46:17] Voice 5: numerous calls about the lighthouse and lights left on doors left open they're you know being

[0:46:22] Voice 5: totally neglected so this is a new a new lady and she's only been the superintendent for four weeks

[0:46:30] Voice 5: but she's committing to trying to get better service for the lighthouse so

[0:46:35] Voice 17: it's it's in a

[0:46:36] Voice 17: national it's

[0:46:37] Voice 5: a national park the

[0:46:38] Voice 17: national park the working lighthouse but it's an automated

[0:46:42] Voice 17: ism and so it's the structure around it that's being collected

[0:46:45] Voice 5: they're the heritage buildings

[0:46:47] Voice 5: and of course there's some some mercury contamination right and the conservancy

[0:46:50] Voice 5: he used to say what it's actually

[0:46:53] Voice 5: it's actually gysel but gysel right gulf island

[0:46:56] Voice 5: yeah they use it in the summer for programs but because of the recruiters

[0:47:02] Voice 5: okay

[0:47:02] Voice 17: so that's for receipt at this stage and not for any particular action okay um okay

[0:47:10] Voice 17: so we're that's the end of the correspondence uh we're at 10.1 which is applications and uh

[0:47:19] Voice 17: uh referrals and so uh the first one up is um uh from bruce hollingshead is is there anybody

[0:47:28] Voice 17: here representing the applicant

[0:47:29] Voice 17: he's

[0:47:31] Voice 3: no i

[0:47:32] Voice 3: did speak to him

[0:47:33] Voice 17: okay i

[0:47:34] Voice 3: don't represent them and i

[0:47:35] Voice 3: support them thank you okay okay well thank you for that

[0:47:39] Voice 17: but um okay so there's no one here on

[0:47:42] Voice 17: behalf of the applicant planner chadwick it's over to you okay

[0:47:46] Voice 7: yeah so the application um was

[0:47:48] Voice 7: was for a variance to vary the front lot line from the existing 8 meters to 0 meters.

[0:47:59] Voice 7: In fact, the current, it's a boat shed, and it's actually within the provincial

[0:48:07] Voice 7: transportation right-of-way, and we actually did apply for permission from the province

[0:48:12] Voice 7: to have it located there, and so that has been done.

[0:48:19] Voice 7: And so it's to vary the lot line to permit the existing

[0:48:25] Voice 7: and the extension.

[0:48:26] Voice 7: So essentially, the applicant is wanting

[0:48:29] Voice 7: to build a new boat shed, which will

[0:48:32] Voice 7: be bigger than the existing.

[0:48:35] Voice 7: And so staff recommendations are to support the current location

[0:48:41] Voice 7: but staff do recommend changing the variance regarding the extension. As the extension

[0:48:52] Voice 7: appears it would require taking down a number of trees and may have impacts to, may have

[0:49:01] Voice 7: individual impacts to the street. But in its current location there were no, in terms of

[0:49:10] Voice 7: correspondence, there were no letters received for or against, and we've had one supporter

[0:49:17] Voice 7: there, but that's pretty much all we've had for public input.

[0:49:25] Voice 17: Questions for the Black?

[0:49:29] Voice 17: So are you...

[0:49:30] Voice 17: No, no, sorry.

[0:49:32] Voice 17: I'm sorry.

[0:49:36] Voice 17: I mean,

[0:49:37] Voice 17: unless the trustees want to ask for public input, this is for us.

[0:49:43] Voice 17: this is our business. So questions from trustees for the planner? No. So

[0:49:50] Voice 17: just so I'm clear and I

[0:49:52] Voice 17: have didn't manage to make it over there this this is actually for a boat shed that's how far

[0:49:57] Voice 17: how far do they notify is it like 200 meters or?

[0:50:02] Voice 7: How far within the road by where? No

[0:50:06] Voice 17: no how far

[0:50:06] Voice 17: How far does the notification of a developed EVP go?

[0:50:09] Voice 5: A hundred meters.

[0:50:11] Voice 17: A hundred meters?

[0:50:12] Voice 17: Yeah.

[0:50:12] Voice 17: So it's only the local...

[0:50:14] Voice 17: But this boat shed is now twice proposed, twice as large?

[0:50:18] Voice 17: Yeah, twice

[0:50:19] Voice 11: as large.

[0:50:24] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:50:26] Voice 17: Well, trust me...

[0:50:28] Voice 17: I

[0:50:28] Voice 5: was going to say, you're at a disadvantage if you actually haven't been physically seeing

[0:50:33] Voice 5: the structure.

[0:50:34] Voice 5: But the structure, because of where it sits, even if it becomes bigger, is still not in

[0:50:40] Voice 5: It's not in a line of sight.

[0:50:44] Voice 5: So where it sits at the top of the bank, it doesn't really encroach into anyone's view.

[0:50:49] Voice 5: It doesn't block the highways.

[0:50:51] Voice 5: Highways have said they're okay with it.

[0:50:53] Voice 5: It replaces a pretty shabby structure.

[0:50:57] Voice 5: I

[0:50:58] Voice 8: can see the picture of the current structure.

[0:50:59] Voice 5: I

[0:51:00] Voice 17: understand why it needs to be replaced.

[0:51:02] Voice 5: It's having walked through it and around it and driven by it probably three times a week.

[0:51:06] Voice 5: I didn't have any issues with it.

[0:51:08] Voice 5: None of the neighbors have issues with it.

[0:51:10] Voice 5: Those neighbors cross the road.

[0:51:12] Voice 5: It just doesn't really, the angle of the road there, it will be bigger,

[0:51:18] Voice 5: but it won't be as noticeable that it's bigger.

[0:51:22] Voice 17: And what about the considerations about having to cut down two or three trees

[0:51:28] Voice 17: to put this structure up?

[0:51:30] Voice 17: Is that a concern?

[0:51:31] Voice 17: I mean, this is a local issue.

[0:51:34] Voice 17: issues it's not

[0:51:34] Voice 5: something i think if we i don't know if we can ask for some landscape screening

[0:51:39] Voice 5: as part of the permission uh but knowing the person that's doing the structure

[0:51:45] Voice 5: we gave them a variance down on the foreshore remember for the deck they have down there

[0:51:51] Voice 5: they're pretty organized people i don't think this is going to be anything but attractive we

[0:51:55] Voice 5: actually gave them the encroachment to set back from the sea down at their on the waterfront

[0:52:00] Voice 5: parcel about three years ago four years ago anyhow so that that went well very well had total

[0:52:06] Voice 5: supportive neighbors and this has total supportive neighbors it's the structure of this computer piece

[0:52:11] Voice 5: of land and it's so much nicer than the tarps big boats and parks and yeah yeah this road has

[0:52:18] Voice 5: has its issues as well it's not just wood but i will move i'm i'm comfortable with it i've been

[0:52:24] Voice 5: and found that property a million times long before bruce owned it and so i'm going to move

[0:52:30] Voice 5: that the nana local trust committee approved issuance of development variance permit

[0:52:34] Voice 5: application m a dbp 2021.5 pauline's head i'll

[0:52:40] Voice 17: second that okay so just just to be clear that's

[0:52:43] Voice 17: not the staff recommendation but that's the notion you're

[0:52:46] Voice 17: going to make i know okay any further

[0:52:48] Voice 17: discussion from the from the trustees right i'll call the vote all in favor uh is there a second

[0:53:00] Voice 17: motion oh that

[0:53:02] Voice 5: was it yeah oh

[0:53:03] Voice 17: that's the that's it yeah

[0:53:04] Voice 5: okay and if you had a chance to actually

[0:53:06] Voice 5: all right

[0:53:13] Voice 17: so the next item on the agenda then is uh is uh 2021.7 the crd um and uh i know whatever

[0:53:24] Voice 17: i know well from sir i'm sorry my my head's gone what your name is dale puskis that's right yes

[0:53:31] Voice 17: Mr. Puskas is here on behalf of the CRD, and Phil Testa-Mail, the planner Testa-Mail, can you hear me?

[0:53:41] Voice 17: He can. I can see you. I might be the only one, but I can see you.

[0:53:52] Voice 11: Okay,

[0:53:53] Voice 17: so what we'll do is we'll have planner Testa-Mail present his staff report,

[0:53:58] Voice 17: which starts at page 46 of the package for anybody watching.

[0:54:07] Voice 17: And then we'll see if there's any questions from trustees,

[0:54:10] Voice 17: and then we'll invite Mr. Puskis to join us and make any comments there.

[0:54:14] Voice 17: Yeah, if you could mute that.

[0:54:16] Voice 17: Thank you very much, sir.

[0:54:17] Voice 17: Go ahead, Planner Trustee.

[0:58:12] Voice 17: Puskis, I'm just going to ask if either of the trustees have questions for the planner

[0:58:16] Voice 17: before we turn to the app.

[0:58:18] Voice 17: Trustee Vaughan, nothing?

[0:58:20] Nothing?

[0:58:20] Voice 17: So, Mr. Preskus, we've got the staff report, and we've heard the staff recommendation,

[0:58:27] Voice 17: and do you want to add to that, or do you want to...

[0:58:31] Voice 17: Well,

[0:58:31] Voice 16: I think Phil did a very good job of summarizing the issue there.

[0:58:36] I do want to do just a quick update on the remediation that we were planning out there.

[0:58:40] So we've had a geotech out there to assess whether we have to do an extensive remediation required

[0:58:48] because of the way the retaining wall was constructed.

[0:58:52] it has a geotechnical fiber geotech fiber that underlays the gravel at each layer so it's not

[0:59:00] as simple as just taking some of the blocks and realigning them it actually requires significant

[0:59:05] Voice 16: amount of people are working i anticipate you have the geotex report probably by today to start

[0:59:17] and look at that uh that remediation we are undertaking some liner drainage of

[0:59:24] includes at the moment just to keep the site green the way it's supposed to be which is

[0:59:31] along the east and west side of the property boundaries in addition to that we are going

[0:59:36] to have to have some discussions with the minister highways on some of the maintenance

[0:59:41] of the upstream drainage as some of that may have contributed to the issue on the site

[0:59:50] Voice 17: okay so trustees questions for the applicant so

[0:59:54] Voice 5: i haven't just had my question and i didn't go down

[0:59:56] Voice 5: and actually I've seen the pictures as we go down there.

[1:00:00] Voice 5: so the area where the variance has to be given was that was that area all disturbed those blocks yes

[1:00:05] Voice 5: so could those i i don't quite understand why those blocks couldn't have been put

[1:00:10] Voice 7: where they belong not

[1:00:12] Voice 5: in so so because you're talking about the pit toilet and septic tank

[1:00:16] Voice 5: tractors there's lots of room down there you can move the septic tank around so

[1:00:20] Voice 16: we'll have to

[1:00:20] Voice 16: there isn't enough remaining room on the site as well to accommodate all the parking cells

[1:00:26] Voice 5: almost get back and that was part

[1:00:27] Voice 5: of the zoning yes yeah okay that's what i kind of thought we

[1:00:30] Voice 5: kind of put put it into an awkward position okay yeah

[1:00:35] Voice 17: that was that that was my understanding of

[1:00:37] Voice 17: the reason why you had that the rationale here i shouldn't say the reason rationale

[1:00:42] Voice 17: was because you have to have 15 parking spaces plus the access through to the

[1:00:47] Voice 17: to the property to the north is it i guess that's the north

[1:00:52] Voice 17: Okay, it's a little, yeah, okay.

[1:00:55] Voice 5: Then I guess I kind of, you know, we had, around the regional planning committee, we

[1:00:59] Voice 5: had this conversation about granting variances after the fact, like, I mean, obviously you

[1:01:03] Voice 5: knew, you know, why did you apply for variance a long time ago?

[1:01:09] Voice 16: I guess that was a misinterpretation on the CRD side.

[1:01:12] Voice 16: Typically when we go through these DP processes, normally we get the variance done at the same

[1:01:19] And that was a misinterpretation of our sign language.

[1:01:24] We should have identified that and followed up.

[1:01:33] Voice 1: Trustee Vaughn?

[1:01:34] Voice 1: Yeah, I think I would just follow up on that because the staff report over a year ago very, very clearly stated a variance was required.

[1:01:42] Voice 11: And,

[1:01:43] Voice 1: you know, normally speaking, when we look at a variance, it's because all we didn't

[1:01:49] Voice 1: know, or all we bought the property, there's always some compassionate excuse.

[1:01:55] Voice 1: Where we have a CRD, which is a professional body, we have a project that was overseen

[1:02:01] Voice 1: by professional engineers almost on a daily basis, and we have this issue, this incursion

[1:02:08] Voice 1: to the setback. And a lot of the reasoning for the incursion to the setback by the drawings

[1:02:17] Voice 1: that have been provided to us is about backing down a dual axles sewage pump and pump truck

[1:02:25] to serve as a pit toilet. And my two

[1:02:29] Voice 1: comments about that rationale is that A, that given

[1:02:35] Voice 1: the drawing, if there's one car in that parking lot, that truck's not going to be able to

[1:02:39] Voice 1: turn around as for the drawings. So is the CRD intending on like blocking out the parking lot

[1:02:45] Voice 1: for a few days in advance so nobody parks in the way of the truck? But the other part is,

[1:02:50] Voice 1: in talking to a couple of assessor providers, they say they never drive down a driveway,

[1:02:56] Voice 1: they always back down. They found it kind of bizarre that somebody would drive down and turn

[1:03:04] Voice 1: around and drive back up the driveway. It's typically speaking on the islands with the

[1:03:09] Voice 1: small access is all there used to just back and down and back again so kind of the the rationale

[1:03:15] Voice 1: that was given that like i just because the rationale doesn't seem to be a lot about parking

[1:03:20] Voice 1: in part that seems to be given the drawings that we were given is about turning around a separate

[1:03:24] Voice 1: truck and then i look at the area um where the where the incursion is and it's not really in

[1:03:34] Voice 1: in that turnaround area for the septic truck. And given that the wall has been breached

[1:03:40] Voice 1: and such, I kind of agree with Trustee Dodds. I think there should be effort made to build

[1:03:48] Voice 1: the wall within the setbacks. Because it's not in any way impeding the construction of

[1:03:56] the dock. It doesn't seem to be in any way impeding the ability for people to park and

[1:04:00] get those 15 parking stalls.

[1:04:02] Voice 1: And the justification seems to speak a lot more about turning a

[1:04:07] Voice 1: septic truck around. Is that, is there a question? Yeah, so I just, that's the whole thing is, as I just, if that's the reasoning, I don't understand why. And so that's the question to the CRD representative, is A, need a little bit better reasoning why you did not respect the setbacks, but B, is this all about turning around a septic truck, because there seems to be enough room for 15 parking stalls down there. Go ahead, sir.

[1:04:34] So just to address

[1:04:36] Voice 16: the turnaround is just one of the reasons. If you note on the drawing on page 66, and that's the one you're referring to, the turning template that we took, to accommodate the setback in the left corner, we have to remove two parking cells.

[1:05:00] Voice 16: So out of the 15 that we have, we have to remove two parking cells that have to be ready to accommodate.

[1:05:21] Voice 16: could

[1:05:22] Voice 17: you could sir could you just tell me again what page of the drawing you're on

[1:05:26] Voice 17: 66 oh 66 sorry way too

[1:05:37] Voice 5: complicated it's

[1:05:39] Voice 17: the one showing it's the one showing the truck

[1:05:42] Voice 17: turning

[1:05:43] Voice 5: and all that stuff okay

[1:05:49] Voice 17: yeah so sorry could you just say that again with that drug

[1:05:55] Voice 16: those two parking stalls right or be gone

[1:06:01] Voice 16: At least those two. That's just my first question.

[1:06:08] Voice 16: But

[1:06:09] Voice 1: if those, I'm trying to think, we don't have a north or a south on this, but if those stalls that are oriented, what I'm going to call the north, if they were on the water side, it looks, honestly, I would like to see an alternate drawing for the parking to say, okay, if we take, if we move the retaining wall, this is a different configuration for the parking.

[1:06:34] Voice 1: So

[1:06:35] Voice 16: if we remove the retaining wall for that corner, we won't be able to accommodate any vehicles parking, as you were saying, east-west.

[1:06:48] Because right now that's where everybody's parking.

[1:06:50] So they're parking east-west, right? And north-south.

[1:06:53] So if we remove to the north-south of the far east corner, those two wouldn't be able to be accommodated

[1:07:01] Voice 16: anywhere on that lower side.

[1:07:02] Voice 16: So you wouldn't be able to get a truck to turn and pull out with the retaining wall there?

[1:07:10] Voice 1: So, personally, I would be more comfortable granting a variance on the parking requirement

[1:07:15] Voice 1: than I would on the retaining wall.

[1:07:16] Voice 1: Well, okay, so there's a

[1:07:18] Voice 1: question.

[1:07:20] Voice 17: I think that involves a plan or a testimony line-up.

[1:07:25] Voice 17: Is that something that can be dealt with by a variance,

[1:07:28] Voice 17: or is that something you have to amend the by-law?

[1:08:00] Voice 17: Trustee?

[1:08:00] Voice 17: So

[1:08:01] Voice 5: I have a question about if we turn down this variance, then there is the alternate

[1:08:08] Voice 5: to go to a Board of Variants process.

[1:08:10] Voice 5: The Board of Variants hears an application and usually, based on hardship, would make

[1:08:16] Voice 5: a decision.

[1:08:17] Voice 5: What is the time frame if you go to the Board of Variants for an applicant?

[1:08:22] Voice 5: What's the process?

[1:08:23] Voice 5: How long does it take?

[1:08:24] Voice 5: And then my second question would be, for Dale, is what is the timeframe for the actual

[1:09:04] Voice 5: docks to actually get put into place?

[1:09:06] Voice 5: Are they actually going to be done by January 1st?

[1:09:08] Voice 5: If you get your variants, are they not going to be done, or do we have time?

[1:09:13] Voice 16: So when I last spoke to the contractor, they actually have the actual docks constructed,

[1:09:20] ready to move out.

[1:09:22] They're kind of on hold at this moment in time, but basically we're paying a storage fee now for a bunch of docks, and it would probably be an extra in terms

[1:09:34] Voice 5: of it being...

[1:09:37] Voice 5: But on the other hand, how long is it going to take you to do the repairs? So I mean, I guess I'm asking, if you're

[1:09:42] Voice 5: going to be spending three months doing repairs...

[1:09:44] Voice 5: The part of

[1:09:44] Voice 16: this geotechnical report

[1:09:46] Voice 16: is how far along exactly would they be able to do

[1:09:50] an interval discussion with the geotech themselves.

[1:09:53] It is that it probably wouldn't affect the work

[1:09:57] that our contractor

[1:09:58] Voice 16: is putting on.

[1:10:01] Voice 1: I just want to make a quick statement.

[1:10:05] Voice 1: As a former Harvard commissioner who

[1:10:07] Voice 1: was one of the people who voted in favor of this project

[1:10:10] Voice 1: on the CRD, this is not an anti-doc statement or anything.

[1:10:15] Voice 1: It's more a process statement, and my discomfort being that there was long due notice that

[1:10:22] Voice 1: this was a requirement for a variance, and it went forward basically from my looking

[1:10:31] at it is just to make a convenient square of a loan.

[1:10:35] I don't see, I would

[1:10:38] Voice 1: be a lot more comfortable if there was a drawing here showing me the

[1:10:41] Voice 1: the alternate parking spots.

[1:10:43] Voice 1: And I'd be a lot more comfortable saying,

[1:10:46] Voice 1: I would approve this.

[1:10:48] Voice 1: If we're going to lose two spots out of the need,

[1:10:51] I would be a lot more comfortable approving those two

[1:10:54] spots, allowing everybody to proceed at God's speed

[1:10:58] to get this dock in, because it's years overdue.

[1:11:01] But I just have a discomfort that there wasn't

[1:11:04] a process followed at all.

[1:11:06] And I do not feel there's legitimate reason

[1:11:08] reason for that retainable to be in that location. Because I just think it makes it conveniently

[1:11:15] square versus

[1:11:17] Voice 1: respecting what the setbacks were.

[1:11:21] Voice 8: I'm ready to move the motion and debate the motion.

[1:11:24] Voice 1: Is this going to

[1:11:25] Voice 17: be all through the public discussion?

[1:11:26] Voice 17: Well, you indicated I was going to ask you.

[1:11:29] Voice 5: Yeah, we should take a few minutes to hear what the public has to say.

[1:11:34] Voice 17: Yeah,

[1:11:34] Voice 5: I just wanted

[1:11:35] Voice 17: to share with the trustees, you guys said you might want to have some

[1:11:39] Voice 17: input at this point so yes sir go ahead as

[1:11:42] Voice 12: a taxpayer i'm challenged when i'm hearing

[1:11:44] Voice 12: discussions about punitive damages the um i don't think the word punitive damages would

[1:11:51] Voice 12: indicate that because the crd did not act initially with respect to the request of the

[1:12:00] Voice 12: variance they should now be punished by having the additional costs of having to move that

[1:12:08] Voice 12: Can I frame

[1:12:09] Voice 17: that slightly differently?

[1:12:10] Voice 12: What

[1:12:11] Voice 17: I heard Trustee Dodd-Mott say is they didn't follow the process,

[1:12:14] Voice 17: so we shouldn't exercise our discretion in their favor because of that.

[1:12:18] Voice 17: I'm not speaking for him. I'm not speaking for us.

[1:12:20] Voice 12: As a taxpayer, my objective is to get the best value for our dollar.

[1:12:24] Voice 12: We currently have a parking lot that provides superior parking to the lot.

[1:12:29] Voice 12: It will have to be replaced.

[1:12:31] Voice 12: We have a parking lot that is going to cost less to maintain after repairs are made.

[1:12:37] Voice 12: then it will cost to re-alter the structure.

[1:12:40] Voice 12: In addition to it being the inferior product, it's adding cost to the taxpayers.

[1:12:46] Voice 12: And I believe as taxpayers, we have a reason to expect consistency in your decision making.

[1:12:52] Voice 12: And between item 10.1 and this, I do not see consistency.

[1:12:57] Voice 12: In item 10.1, you granted a variance to an individual, and it might be well worthwhile,

[1:13:03] Voice 12: while to both the front of the property and the back of the property. Here we have a situation

[1:13:09] Voice 12: where, and it also went against the decision or the proposal of your planner. Here we have

[1:13:17] Voice 12: a situation where the planner has given some support to maintain the wall as it stands,

[1:13:23] Voice 12: and there's been a clear explanation of some value as to why you should say that. And I

[1:13:28] Voice 12: struggle with why your decision making wouldn't stand with that.

[1:13:33] Voice 12: Thank you. My only response is that having been down there and looked at the

[1:13:41] retaining wall in its state today, there's considerable rebuilding

[1:13:45] required right now, so there's going to be a contractor mobilized there with all

[1:13:49] the equipment, everything to do it. Neither one of us are engineers.

[1:13:53] Voice 1: I think we should

[1:13:53] Voice 1: allow the engineer to testify as to what the standards are. Well, I'm just saying that I see there's

[1:13:59] Voice 1: going to be some blocks that need to be moved, so I'm saying that there's going to be a

[1:14:03] Voice 1: crew going to need to be down on that property, removing blocks and replacing them.

[1:14:08] Voice 12: It's going to be two to three parking blocks smaller, and I'm confident, from my experience with construction,

[1:14:15] Voice 12: it's going to cost more than just the apparel we have.

[1:14:18] Voice 17: Okay, thanks. Thank you, sir. Again, I don't, this is not, thanks for trusting my commentary.

[1:14:24] Voice 17: I think it was appropriate for your response. Is there anybody else that wishes to speak on this?

[1:14:28] Voice 13: I'd just like to say that the first block 15 is probably pretty minimal for what the requirements are for a dock of this size.

[1:14:38] Voice 13: I'm sure at the end of the day, I think if you cut it back to 13, you're proving the book.

[1:14:45] Voice 13: You kind of know what to split your face.

[1:14:47] Voice 13: I really think that our property is very small to begin with.

[1:14:53] Voice 13: They're trying to give us a facility that this island so deserves.

[1:14:59] Voice 13: and to minimize the parking area just to say that you're falling for it because i think the

[1:15:06] Voice 13: region is going to be a disservice to the community i'm

[1:15:10] Voice 17: assuming without knowing and you would know

[1:15:12] Voice 17: because you would trust either they put 15 in to try and create enough parking so people aren't

[1:15:17] Voice 17: parking up in the road you don't have the problems that you had down the far end of the

[1:15:21] Voice 17: other thing that's probably the reason why it was settled on 15 as opposed to 15 of course

[1:15:27] Voice 17: is random as always but it's probably the best gas weather yes sir

[1:15:30] Voice 15: exactly if you cut down the

[1:15:32] Voice 15: parking then you're allowing in the sink later on there won't be enough parking there'll be cars

[1:15:37] Voice 15: along the road where they're not supposed to park so let's go with the best facility we can and

[1:15:42] Voice 15: repair what's there okay thank you anybody

[1:15:45] Voice 17: else wish to speak on this before i turn to the trustees

[1:15:48] Voice 17: to decide what to do then it'll become our business okay i'm not seeing anybody go ahead

[1:15:53] Voice 17: Okay,

[1:15:54] Voice 5: I'm ready to move the motion, and then I'm going to debate the motion.

[1:15:56] Voice 5: I'm moving it.

[1:15:57] Voice 5: That the Main Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Variance Permit Application, MADVP 2021.7 CRD.

[1:16:09] Voice 17: Trustee Maude, do you wish to second?

[1:16:11] Voice 17: I'll second for debate.

[1:16:12] Voice 17: Okay, so over to you.

[1:16:14] Voice 5: So I want to say that, to me, it's quite simple.

[1:16:17] Voice 5: I mean a lot of a lot of what we're talking about is an application that came after the fact

[1:16:23] Voice 5: That knew that we've heard the explanation about that

[1:16:26] Voice 5: We have an option we send it to the Board of Variants that takes more time

[1:16:30] Voice 5: Or we turn it down and we lose two parking spots and that takes more time if we could have done that if that we

[1:16:37] Voice 5: Didn't have to have a whole new application to do that. That would be great

[1:16:40] Voice 5: But all we're going to do is create more delays on this dock that if the zoning has been in place

[1:16:45] Voice 5: I'm thinking more than seven years. I mean it was Brian and I, it's a long time.

[1:16:50] Voice 5: This has been very frustrating for the community. It's frustrating to have a, you

[1:16:55] Voice 5: know, professional government who didn't do due process, but my responsibility is

[1:17:01] Voice 5: to look at the overall impact of what this variance is about. A piece of

[1:17:06] Voice 5: property down there was all bulldozed long ago. This is not pristine

[1:17:10] Voice 5: environment down there by any means. It was a double wide road, which was for barges, for a shale plant.

[1:17:18] Voice 5: CRDs were in work with the Conservancy to do some landscaping. We all know the project back in January,

[1:17:23] Voice 5: the people that did the project, it was a disaster. It's all been very, very unfortunate.

[1:17:30] Voice 5: But my responsibility is to look at the variance and why we're giving the variance.

[1:17:34] Voice 5: We have actually given, I must say, many variances that planners have not approved, the Trust

[1:17:41] Voice 5: Committee has done that, or vice versa.

[1:17:43] Voice 5: We actually sometimes not agree to a variance that a planner has recommended.

[1:17:47] Voice 5: It's every individual case that you need, and we have to look at it.

[1:17:51] Voice 5: But we've given lots of variances in the foreshore.

[1:17:54] Voice 5: For calling hands, that was a deck out front many years ago, a different application.

[1:18:01] Voice 5: So we have done this.

[1:18:02] Voice 5: is not setting precedent with the things we've done before and listening to the

[1:18:06] Voice 5: explanations and looking at the options that we have, I'm going to support the

[1:18:10] Voice 5: motion to go ahead with the variance. Thank

[1:18:13] Voice 1: you. Trustee Locke. I just, I think it's

[1:18:18] Voice 1: important, this is not about the doc, this is a lot about the process and I

[1:18:27] would have liked to have seen option A, option B, option C. We've only been

[1:18:34] presented with option A, which is retaining the wall as is. I would like to

[1:18:39] have seen a proper engineer drawing as the impact on the parking because I'm

[1:18:44] not specifically convinced that we're going to lose any

[1:18:48] Voice 1: parking stalls by

[1:18:48] Voice 1: having the retaining wall in the appropriate position. We keep hearing time and time

[1:18:58] and time again about the setback from the C and the importance to respect that.

[1:19:03] We just had a conversation two months ago about, that was when the setback, and there were some comments about how we should be very strict about these things.

[1:19:19] In this case, this is a large industrial-style structure within the setback.

[1:19:24] Before it was constructed, the proponent was advised the requirement for a variance.

[1:19:32] Voice 1: They went through, it sort of reads that it's easier to get forgiveness and permission.

[1:19:35] Voice 1: I just don't think that the process was followed properly and as I said, if this had come to

[1:19:47] us a year ago as a variance, my question would have been what would it look like if the retaining

[1:19:54] wall was put in the appropriate position and that would have been drawings showing parking

[1:19:59] and stuff saying, well we can't, we can only get 10 parking spots in there.

[1:20:02] I just, as a novice person standing there looking how vehicles are currently parked

[1:20:08] on a parking lot, I don't think there's going to be a loss of spaces. But correct, I'm not an engineer,

[1:20:15] I haven't seen the drawing, and there isn't a drawing, so I don't have that option on the table.

[1:20:20] But the primary reasoning from what we've been given is not about parking spots, it's about

[1:20:27] turning a septic truck around. And I don't really accept that as being a rationale

[1:20:33] for variance. When that truck, instead of turning around, can back down the driveway.

[1:20:39] So I don't, I honestly do not accept the rationale and I just, I think that things are not appropriate and I would be much more comfortable if this came back at the next meeting with some more drawings and some more options presented to us and see that, okay, we can look at A, B, or C rather than being presented with the existing situation.

[1:21:08] all

[1:21:10] Voice 1: I have to say. So, Trustee Ma, I'm just going to ask you, are you going to vote against

[1:21:16] the motion? I will be voting against the motion. I

[1:21:19] Voice 17: just want to be clear that I'm being put

[1:21:21] Voice 17: in that position, which I think is the first time on Main Island that I've been put in

[1:21:26] Voice 17: the position where my vote makes a difference. I voted against both of you from time to time,

[1:21:32] Voice 17: but I have not

[1:21:32] Voice 17: voted against, and will never have to break the tie. Yes, go ahead. I just

[1:21:37] Voice 5: want to say i agree with with the majority of what dave is saying but i'm looking at the time frame

[1:21:42] Voice 5: and i go back to the board of variance in my opinion if this went to the board of variance

[1:21:46] Voice 5: which simply delays everything i believe that the board of variance would grant this variance i

[1:21:51] Voice 5: truly believe that if i didn't think it would i wouldn't be going to get to this but i think all

[1:21:58] Voice 5: losing me by not voting for this is delaying the project so

[1:22:03] Voice 17: i'll just say um i share a lot of

[1:22:08] Trustee Maud's concerns. This project has had a number of

[1:22:13] issues from the beginning.

[1:22:15] Voice 17: I remember when, about

[1:22:16] Voice 17: two years ago, when it was being announced that it was going ahead and we haven't even

[1:22:20] Voice 17: received our development permit. We're all looking at each other going,

[1:22:24] Voice 17: how can they be talking about the fact the project's going ahead when they haven't even

[1:22:28] applied for the development permit application yet? And then we got it and we approved

[1:22:32] it and I know Trustee Maud had ecosystem

[1:22:35] system concerns all the time. I shouldn't say, it's not, I have found particularly on

[1:22:41] Maine, it's not that unusual to grant a variance after the fact. I've seen it a number of times.

[1:22:48] And usually there's a, oh, I didn't know. Sometimes it's a little more, well, I didn't

[1:22:54] really want to. And sometimes it's someone's bought it and it happened. I guess I agree

[1:23:05] it would have been far better if the variants had been applied for at the time when our

[1:23:10] staff indicated that it should have been done.

[1:23:14] Voice 17: We may very well have been faced with a yes

[1:23:19] Voice 17: or no situation, given the structure that I've seen, because I don't think that there

[1:23:26] don't I don't think that there are 15 parking spots if we move this wall back

[1:23:32] so and I know there's also an environmental report based on the dock

[1:23:41] that's that's based on this configuration as I recall it from the

[1:23:45] development permit

[1:23:45] Voice 17: application it's based because that's one of the things

[1:23:48] Voice 17: that flag that if you're going to do that configuration you're going to need

[1:23:52] Voice 17: a variance so the environment marine environmental report that was done two

[1:23:57] Voice 17: and a half years ago was based on this configuration, is my recollection. So I'm pretty confident

[1:24:02] Voice 17: that there's not a lot of marine damage that's going to happen from this, and I didn't know

[1:24:10] Voice 17: the Conservancy was working with them, but I'm glad to hear that that's the case. I went

[1:24:16] Voice 17: to see it today, there's a lot of remediation to be done, and drainage, I wish there was

[1:24:22] Voice 17: something we could we could demand related to the drainage uh because that's gonna but i'm sure the

[1:24:27] Voice 17: olano aren't doing it so uh in the end um i agree i think that a a board of variance would would

[1:24:34] grant this application um if we turned it down uh

[1:24:40] Voice 17: and uh so i'm going to exercise my discretion to

[1:24:43] Voice 17: vote in favor of the motion as put forward. So I'll call the vote. All in favor? And Trustee

[1:24:53] Voice 17: Maude, do you want your vote recorded in the negative? Thank you very much. I'm going to

[1:24:59] Voice 17: suggest we take a brief break. I'm expecting some folks may want to leave. So we'll come

[1:25:09] Voice 17: We'll come back in, we'll take ten minutes and we'll come back and talk about the main items.

[1:25:22] Voice 13: Thanks Bill, and where are you going?

[1:25:42] Thank you.

[1:26:27] Voice 8: Let me ask you a question.

[1:26:30] Voice 8: Let's see.

[1:26:32] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:26:33] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:26:34] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:26:35] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:26:36] Voice 2: Yeah.

[1:26:37] Voice 2: Yeah.

[1:26:48] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:26:49] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:26:49] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:26:49] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:26:52] You have to read more about it.

[1:26:53] It's nice to meet all of you.

[1:27:17] This is my first time seeing you live.

[1:27:19] So, we've had correspondence in the past.

[1:27:23] My first time.

[1:27:24] Right, right.

[1:27:25] Um, I think it's probably

[1:27:30] Voice 12: well beyond that point now.

[1:27:31] Voice 12: Right.

[1:27:32] Voice 12: But it's so nice to meet you.

[1:27:34] It's so nice to meet you.

[1:27:41] Voice 16: Have a nice day.

[1:27:45] Voice 16: Yeah.

[1:27:47] Voice 16: Hold

[1:27:47] Voice 8: on.

[1:28:32] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:29:00] Voice 8: But

[1:29:01] Voice 1: the things in the past, that should have been the same thing, but

[1:29:04] Voice 8: now it's the same thing.

[1:29:07] Voice 8: Oh my god, what's

[1:29:08] Voice 8: this? Oh my god, sorry!

[1:29:38] I'm sorry.

[1:29:41] because

[1:29:41] Voice 8: we want to know what they have to say.

[1:29:43] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:29:45] So that's internally, you guys have a lot of problems.

[1:29:48] I know.

[1:29:50] But that's a start.

[1:29:53] Voice 8: And she can never change.

[1:29:57] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:30:05] Voice 8: I just, I look at the parents, and I don't know if they've all heard of it, but it's not that major.

[1:30:14] Voice 8: It looks like somebody just teared her out, and she sat there and said, well, that's where we're going to go, and we're going to go, and we're going to go, and we're going to go.

[1:30:23] Voice 1: I don't need you

[1:30:25] Voice 8: to get it done by me.

[1:30:26] Voice 8: See,

[1:30:27] Voice 1: you'll provide the front, and then back on.

[1:30:30] Voice 8: First,

[1:30:30] Voice 1: I'm not accepting it.

[1:30:32] Voice 8: First, I'm not accepting it.

[1:30:33] Voice 1: But that's the whole thing.

[1:30:35] Voice 1: That's the whole thing about the septic truck.

[1:30:36] And those are the septic trucks.

[1:30:38] I said I got the three septic trucks,

[1:30:40] and I said it would never happen if I was driving a truck.

[1:30:43] They all went back the same way.

[1:30:45] So that whole thing about the septic truck,

[1:30:48] I don't think they did that.

[1:30:50] Just to know what it is,

[1:30:53] It's not a topic that the trust committee has ever been involved in, I don't know about it.

[1:30:59] Thank you.

[1:31:01] That's it.

[1:31:03] Voice 8: Thank you very much, Mr. Regent.

[1:31:07] Voice 8: I think the only important

[1:31:08] Voice 2: thing is that the minutes might have

[1:31:10] Voice 8: some importance to you,

[1:31:12] Voice 2: was,

[1:31:13] Voice 8: uh, it

[1:31:13] Voice 2: was, uh, with the September 8th,

[1:31:17] Voice 2: it wasn't one of these ones. Yeah, so I knew

[1:31:21] Voice 2: that there would be some changes to get a hold of it.

[1:31:47] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:31:53] I don't think anybody is going to be able to solve it.

[1:31:55] It's the amount of money printable.

[1:31:57] The time is different.

[1:31:58] I don't think it could save as much money.

[1:32:01] I think it would be faster.

[1:32:03] Yeah.

[1:32:04] It's a big difference.

[1:32:07] Is the right class going to be more valuable?

[1:32:10] Well, if you're not listening, no.

[1:32:11] No, okay. That's good.

[1:32:13] I don't think anybody else is going to be able to solve it.

[1:32:16] I don't think anybody else is going to be able to solve it.

[1:32:18] I don't think anybody else is going to be able to solve it.

[1:32:18] I've been told that in two weeks.

[1:32:20] Yeah,

[1:32:21] Voice 17: that's the issue here.

[1:32:22] Voice 17: If it's built, trust me.

[1:32:24] That's what we always make sure that people get that back.

[1:32:27] But what they are doing is we have almost maxed out

[1:32:30] because they've got some massive leaks.

[1:32:35] The Hill in Westley says they are inaccessible.

[1:32:41] How can they be inaccessible if they don't put me in there?

[1:32:44] You know what I mean?

[1:32:45] The CID won't come over.

[1:32:49] Yeah, because all we did is we

[1:32:52] Voice 1: sent a letter saying that our piece of hair care is going to be in person at this phase.

[1:32:59] Voice 1: And based on what you're saying, how many of you come back and say no?

[1:33:52] I know it's big.

[1:34:14] Okay, so we're going to start.

[1:34:19] Okay, so we're going to start.

[1:34:22] Voice 17: David, Chris is just going to do the hack one so that Phil can leave.

[1:34:32] Voice 17: Okay, we're going to get started again.

[1:34:40] Voice 17: So we can have your attention.

[1:34:42] Voice 17: Welcome back, everyone.

[1:34:47] Voice 17: We've agreed that we're going to move just because plan or test of mail is not here.

[1:34:52] Voice 17: We're going to move to 10.4, deal with it first, and then we'll come back and deal with 10.3.

[1:34:58] Voice 17: So that's the T&P application, HACC are you ready to go? I presume you're ready to go.

[1:35:09] Voice 17: Well I can see you and then we'll come back and deal with 10.3 which is the main island housing society.

[1:35:18] So, and I think the applicant's here, yes,

[1:35:21] Voice 17: and so we'll go with that one. So over to you, plan assessment.

[1:35:27] Voice 17: I'll turn to the applicant. I'll ask the trustee, do you have any questions for the plan?

[1:41:16] Voice 5: Not questions, but I just found two errors. So on page 114 of the agenda package, it still

[1:41:23] Voice 5: is referring to the maximum 45 days, where in fact it's 30 days. So page 114, that's

[1:41:31] Voice 5: in the staff report. Yeah. And on page 126, it still says this permit is valid for three

[1:41:48] Voice 5: three years, so you're contributing to the okay.

[1:41:57] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:42:01] Voice 17: it's always confusing when they recommend dimensions, but we're looking at what was

[1:42:05] Voice 17: actually applied.

[1:42:05] Voice 17: Oh, okay.

[1:42:06] Voice 17: Trustee Mott, do you have any questions?

[1:42:08] I have a question.

[1:42:08] So I'll turn to the applicant first of all, and welcome,

[1:42:12] Voice 17: and if you have any commentary

[1:42:16] Voice 17: or any additional information you want to provide or commentary regarding the staff

[1:42:20] staff report uh

[1:42:21] Voice 17: let us know if you agree with the various recommendations from the plan thank you

[1:42:29] Voice 18: chair rogers and um thank you trustee janine and trustee david um hello uh nice to be part of this

[1:42:37] Voice 18: meeting to be in this process um yeah and it's been great to work with phil and to hear kind of

[1:42:46] Voice 18: this process and i'm really happy to comply with the recommendations that have been coming through

[1:42:52] Voice 18: um mostly i just wanted to say that the um the rationale has been um to you know generate a

[1:43:00] Voice 18: little bit of income and support for the space but um the values behind the impetus for sharing

[1:43:09] Voice 18: our space, and primarily the reason why we find ourselves, my family and I, on

[1:43:15] Voice 18: Sketech on Main Island is really that it's primarily a family retreat space.

[1:43:21] Voice 18: And we love to be here as much as possible, so, and you know we occasionally

[1:43:28] Voice 18: share the space with friends and guests, and two things really guide the process

[1:43:35] Voice 18: of inviting people or if we continue to do this which is respect and care so the

[1:43:42] Voice 18: respect for the neighborhood and the community is of utmost concern so when I

[1:43:48] Voice 18: first applied for this process I knocked on each of my neighbors doors and had a

[1:43:55] Voice 18: lot of support and they've known us for the 15 years that we've owned the

[1:44:01] Voice 18: property and had various friends coming or guests um and so i just really value kind of open

[1:44:09] Voice 18: communication and knowing how this is impacting our particular street and also the neighborhood

[1:44:15] Voice 18: uh and the water conservation and the respect to the land um is also of utmost concern so

[1:44:23] Voice 18: we have signage everywhere just for ourselves and our family around water conservation so i

[1:44:30] Voice 18: totally understand why the water district would be a concern and community and so um yeah uh kind of

[1:44:38] Voice 18: yeah respect and care around neighborhood and the land and the water are really important so

[1:44:43] Voice 18: you know we're there most of the most of the summer at least half the summer so those

[1:44:47] Voice 18: limitations really aren't a problem for us um and i'm just trying to think of what else i wanted to

[1:44:54] Voice 18: say um i know there was some issue in the last meeting about um uh this being a property that

[1:45:02] Voice 18: was held by a corporation and so i think that was clarified for hopefully it was okay and there is

[1:45:08] Voice 18: no corporation that owns it if my husband and i um and just so you know a little bit more about

[1:45:13] Voice 18: myself i'm an artist um like i said this place is like a retreat space i've actually already begun

[1:45:18] Voice 18: to invite other artists to use this as a writing or the residency space and I've

[1:45:26] Voice 18: had two local signage artists coming in. I'm really kind of buoyed by the

[1:45:34] Voice 18: gestures I'm seeing in the community and I really feel like this is also a way

[1:45:39] Voice 18: for me to give back and have a spirit of generosity and sharing and so allowing

[1:45:46] Voice 18: Allowing this TUP means that I can allow more usage

[1:45:50] Voice 18: of free of charge to bring in younger artists

[1:45:53] Voice 18: and cultural makers to reconnect with their lands

[1:45:59] Voice 18: so that they can be here.

[1:46:02] Voice 18: Yeah, I just know you're also wise for living here.

[1:46:06] Voice 18: It's like there is so much generosity

[1:46:08] Voice 18: and wisdom in this land.

[1:46:10] Voice 18: And I'm just really, really grateful to be a guest here

[1:46:14] Voice 18: in this main island community

[1:46:15] Voice 18: and also on the same territory okay

[1:46:19] Voice 17: thank you I'll just ask whether the

[1:46:21] Voice 17: trustees have questions for the applicant no thanks very much so thank

[1:46:29] you we have a staff report we have the we have the recommendations from the

[1:46:33] staff report and we

[1:46:33] Voice 17: have the the background materials related to this as

[1:46:37] Voice 17: well from the APC and from there what would you like to do trustee that the

[1:46:43] Voice 5: the Maine Island Local Trust Committee

[1:46:45] Voice 5: amend temporary use permit MATUP 2021.3 HAC

[1:46:49] Voice 5: as shown as attachment three to this staff report

[1:46:52] Voice 5: by the addition of the following.

[1:46:55] Voice 5: One, limit maximum number of days permitted

[1:46:57] Voice 5: between May 1st and September 30th

[1:46:59] Voice 5: in condition 3A to a total of 30 days.

[1:47:03] Voice 5: Two, that a new condition be added stating

[1:47:06] Voice 5: that the contact person, short-term vacation

[1:47:08] Voice 5: rental operator or property owner shall confirm

[1:47:12] Voice 5: that the Water Street valve is closed after the departure of each rental guest when the

[1:47:16] Voice 5: property should be vacant for more than 48 hours, 3 that Campbell Bennett Bay Improvement

[1:47:24] Voice 5: District By-law No. 76 be attached to the permit as Schedule A and that a new condition

[1:47:30] Voice 5: be added that the by-law shall be clearly posted in the dwelling, and 4 that a new condition

[1:47:36] Voice 5: be added stating that the contact person, short-term vacation rental operator or property

[1:47:41] Voice 5: owner shall post a sign with contact and permit information at the entrance to

[1:47:46] Voice 5: the property if

[1:47:47] Voice 17: that motion has been made is there a seconder okay that's

[1:47:50] Voice 17: been seconded discretion either trustee wish to say anything oh

[1:47:56] Voice 5: I want to say

[1:47:57] Voice 5: that this is I think we're getting better at this stuff like we're putting

[1:48:01] Voice 5: more and more important rules behind short-term data sure

[1:48:05] Voice 17: yeah I haven't seen

[1:48:09] Voice 17: some of these conditions before tup is something uh i think some and i think it was useful to send

[1:48:15] Voice 17: it out to the water district uh myself just my own personal thing trustee maude do you have anything

[1:48:20] you wish to say otherwise i'll follow okay all all in favor one two three and then this is her

[1:48:27] second message that the manana local trust committee approved issuance of tup 2021.3

[1:48:33] rehab as amended for a period of two years.

[1:48:38] Seconded for that. Any discussion? Just a brief discussion.

[1:48:42] The concerns that we saw, the couple of negative

[1:48:47] that we got on, was a lot was about slippery slope.

[1:48:51] And I want to acknowledge that and sort of

[1:48:55] give a heads up that

[1:48:57] Voice 1: my comfort level for T&Ps in this area

[1:48:59] Voice 1: is at about two.

[1:49:02] Voice 8: And so

[1:49:03] So if people are on the slippery slope thing,

[1:49:07] the next one, I'm not gonna be quite so optimistic about.

[1:49:12] I think this applicant has shown a tremendous interest

[1:49:17] in their local community.

[1:49:18] No problem supporting this one,

[1:49:22] but I bear as a back of my head, slippery slope.

[1:49:26] And I know the TUPs for short-term vacation rentals

[1:49:30] are an issue and it's on my radar, just saying that.

[1:49:33] Yeah,

[1:49:34] Voice 5: I would agree with Trustee Maude. This is the second one for Bennett Bay and we have the right to turn down applications and certainly I think the Trust Committee has put in another application for the Bennett Bay area and specifically this water district that we would not be looking for.

[1:49:50] Voice 5: Can

[1:49:53] Voice 19: I ask a question on where this property is?

[1:49:56] Voice 5: Bennett Bay, Seaview. Seaview. What number? Oh,

[1:50:01] Voice 8: do

[1:50:03] Voice 19: you describe?

[1:50:05] Voice 8: No, no. Seaview.

[1:50:06] Voice 19: Huh? Seaview. Oh,

[1:50:07] Voice 17: Seaview. Okay.

[1:50:10] Voice 17: so so thank you for those comments trusty amount i agree with you i think the stvrs

[1:50:14] the use of them has always it has is a discussion

[1:50:19] Voice 17: on many islands and i know it is one on maine as

[1:50:22] well

[1:50:22] Voice 17: and uh i think the the concentration in an area or how many there are is always

[1:50:29] a matter of consideration and i so i hear you thank you very much for the commentary

[1:50:33] If there's nothing further, I'll call the vote. All in favor?

[1:50:37] One, two, three. Sorry, yeah, three.

[1:50:40] So thank you. That's done. Thank you very much.

[1:50:44] Thank you, Phil, for your report.

[1:50:47] I don't think you need to stick around any longer.

[1:50:51] Your TUP will be issued shortly, and

[1:50:54] Voice 17: you'll hear from staff directly.

[1:50:58] Voice 17: Thanks, Ms. Planner-Cusco.

[1:50:59] Voice 17: um okay then we're going to circle back to 10.3 uh and this is the main island housing society

[1:51:09] and i know uh we have uh one representative

[1:51:13] Voice 17: of the housing society here with us too hi nice to

[1:51:16] Voice 17: see you and we are going back to an updated staff report on page 71 planner chadwick over to you

[1:51:28] Voice 17: Thank

[1:51:29] Voice 7: you, Chair Rogers. So we've got staff who are working, have been working on this file, working with our lawyer about the covenant and the housing agreement, and those drafts were to come before the LTC October meeting.

[1:51:52] Voice 7: However, in the middle of October, staff were informed by the daughters of Mr. Shalmichir's property owner of the land,

[1:52:04] Voice 7: indicating that they had power of attorney over Shalmichir's estate because of his family health.

[1:52:18] Voice 7: They wrote a formal letter of email to the LTC on October the 19th requesting a pause

[1:52:27] on the application until they have a better sense.

[1:52:34] At the moment, they would like to get a clear understanding of the project before the application

[1:52:41] moves forward, and

[1:52:43] Voice 7: they've indicated that because of a number of things that they're

[1:52:45] Voice 7: they won't have time to turn their mind to it for a little while.

[1:52:51] Voice 7: So they're requesting for a pause until they're ready to understand the application.

[1:53:03] Voice 7: A memo has been provided to trustees identifying a draft resolution that supports a pause.

[1:53:12] Voice 7: and the draft resolution also indicates that staff would follow up on the numbers in a period of three weeks.

[1:53:27] Voice 17: Okay, questions for the trustee before I turn it over to me?

[1:53:31] Voice 17: Okay, Ms. Golden, so are you speaking on behalf of the Housing Society?

[1:53:38] Voice 8: I didn't prepare anything for

[1:53:40] Voice 18: today. I think it's pretty self-evident.

[1:53:42] Voice 18: I'm happy to answer questions if there are any.

[1:53:47] Voice 17: Okay. I don't have any questions. Do either of you have questions for the applicant, the trustees?

[1:53:55] Voice 17: It's a challenging situation. We had gotten to point A, and now the effective landowner has said they want to put a pause on this.

[1:54:09] So

[1:54:09] Voice 17: what would the trustees like to do?

[1:54:12] Voice 5: I'll move the motion.

[1:54:13] Voice 5: I move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee direct that application M.A.R.Z.2020.1

[1:54:21] Voice 5: Main Island Housing Society be placed in abeyance until such time as the family of the property

[1:54:26] Voice 5: owner who currently holds power of attorney over the property indicate that they would

[1:54:31] Voice 5: like the application to proceed or that the LTC otherwise directs and that staff follow

[1:54:36] Voice 5: up the family member's holding power of attorney within three months and report back to the

[1:54:41] Voice 5: LTC.

[1:54:42] Voice 5: Is there a second?

[1:54:44] Voice 5: Any

[1:54:44] Voice 17: discussion from other people?

[1:54:46] Voice 5: I do want to note that staff will connect with them if you have a February 22nd, February 2022 LTC meeting if they have not heard from Cameron.

[1:54:58] Voice 17: So we'll get a report back in February, and of course there's nothing to stop, I think, their daughters from reaching out earlier and saying we're ready to move forward with this, and of course I assume they'll let you know, Planner Chadwick, if that's the case.

[1:55:26] Voice 17: I know you're in communication with them on a fairly regular basis, so if they and I know it's a challenging situation, so

[1:55:35] Voice 17: It's it's not a reflection on any of the work

[1:55:38] Voice 17: That's been done until date to this point in time to to have this motion on the table

[1:55:45] So if there's no other discussion, I'll call vote all in favor

[1:55:49] One two three, so

[1:55:52] Voice 17: I guess we don't hear otherwise we'll hear back in the February

[1:55:58] Voice 17: LCC meeting, which I think we've set the date, but I don't know when it is.

[1:56:01] Voice 17: It doesn't matter.

[1:56:04] Voice 17: Thank you.

[1:56:09] Voice 17: Okay.

[1:56:10] Voice 17: So that takes us to the Flex Housing staff report.

[1:56:14] Voice 17: The

[1:56:20] Voice 7: purpose of the staff report this meeting is to present draft bylaws for endorsement.

[1:56:31] If you remember a bit of background,

[1:56:35] Voice 7: the project has been going for the last year or so, and we have had three public meetings, and there's a number of things that came out of those public meetings, that I'll go through a little bit, and those things have been incorporated into draft bylaws for a very specific pilot area, which is about 20 lots along the beach.

[1:57:04] Voice 7: And those have been identified because they are outside of water service areas and outside

[1:57:14] of what is essentially critical in terms of groundwater and I'll have a little bit more

[1:57:22] discussion about that.

[1:57:25] The other recommendation, should the FC1 move forward with draft by-laws, the OCP will also

[1:57:35] need to

[1:57:35] Voice 7: be amended to allow for this type of an arrangement so the subject recommendation there

[1:57:43] Voice 7: speaks to that and then clearly the main so the trustees had when we had discussed

[1:57:55] that there hadn't been a request

[1:57:56] Voice 7: from trustees to explore options related to expanding the pilot

[1:58:00] Voice 7: area. And Wooddale was the area that was cut by monkeys. And there were inquiries by property owners on Turnhip Road and Gallagher Day Road as well. And so staff are recommending that staff be supportive of more of those options.

[1:58:31] Voice 7: So just speaking first to the first recommendation related to the by-law, so the by-laws, the

[1:58:38] Voice 7: draft by-law is a number of things that it includes.

[1:58:45] Voice 7: One, the amendments include, one is the addition of the definition of tiny home on wheels.

[1:58:52] Voice 7: So we have had previous discussions around the idea of tiny homes on wheels and whether

[1:58:57] Voice 7: wheels could be included and as indicated it's a very very difficult area regulating

[1:59:06] Voice 7: tiny home on wheels is very challenging and it's a bit of a gray area and so staff had recommended

[1:59:12] Voice 7: not to include tiny homes on wheels in this arrangement so we've added a definition of

[1:59:21] Voice 7: tiny home on wheels, so we captured that in the bylaw. And speaking to that, there are

[1:59:28] Voice 7: some tiny homes on wheels that can be classified as RVs if they meet Canadian standards for RVs,

[1:59:38] Voice 7: so if they meet those standards then they can be classified as RVs. And we had talked about the

[1:59:44] Voice 7: The issue of RVs being part of the arrangement and it was decided that they shouldn't be because we don't we don't want to be

[1:59:53] intriguing to, you know,

[1:59:54] Voice 7: many more RVs sort of around and then the

[2:00:00] Voice 7: The flexible housing arrangement should really be applying only to those dwellings that one can actually get a building permit for.

[2:00:07] Voice 7: So we've added to the definition of RVs the relationship with that.

[2:00:17] Voice 7: Going further down, the limitation of what can be considered to be a dwelling within the

[2:00:27] Voice 7: So I've spoken to that, so that includes the limiting RVs and I know.

[2:00:34] Voice 7: The draft by-law increases the size of secondary suites.

[2:00:39] Voice 7: That was a discussion that was part of some of the discussions that were had with communities and with trustees.

[2:00:46] Voice 7: So currently, the land use by-law has a smaller square footage for secondary suites and cottages on smaller lots.

[2:00:55] Voice 7: So the draft amendments that are provided here just identify a single maximum square

[2:01:04] Voice 7: footage, which equates to about a thousand square feet, that would be for seminary streets

[2:01:10] Voice 7: and for cottages.

[2:01:13] Voice 7: So the main focus here with respect to the flexible housing and the additional dwellings

[2:01:22] Voice 7: in the maximum square footage. So it's about accommodating an additional dwelling within

[2:01:27] Voice 7: a maximum square footage. So as Trustee Dodds had indicated previously, currently folks

[2:01:38] Voice 7: can build very large houses. This would be allowing individuals who want to build smaller

[2:01:44] houses to have additional dwellings if they restrict the total square

[2:01:51] Voice 7: footage of all of

[2:01:52] Voice 7: of those buildings. So a number of smaller homes as opposed to one large one. And the

[2:01:59] maximums that are identified are probably smaller than, well, it's

[2:02:06] Voice 7: smaller than in many

[2:02:08] Voice 7: cases what you could otherwise build. So in some cases, on some properties, you may be

[2:02:13] Voice 7: able to build a 5,000 square foot home or beyond that. So this is really restricting

[2:02:18] Voice 7: the size down to a very small size to be distributed. So when we looked at the bylaws, we had talked

[2:02:24] Voice 7: about this applying to lots under five acres, but when I did drill down to the bylaws, to

[2:02:34] Voice 7: make it consistent with what currently exists, there are sort of three different increments

[2:02:40] and these are for the

[2:02:42] Voice 7: trustees to consider so the first increment of size would be

[2:02:49] Voice 7: would be lots having an area of of 1.5 hectares or less or 0.6 hectares so in this case we'd be

[2:03:04] Voice 7: looking at allowing I mean so right now you're only allowed to have one dwelling and a secondary

[2:03:08] Voice 7: suite where secondary suites are allowed so this would be looking at having one additional

[2:03:13] dwelling so potentially two dwellings or uh two separate buildings with with residences in one

[2:03:19] potentially

[2:03:20] Voice 7: with a secondary suite but limiting the total square um square foot of going to

[2:03:27] Voice 7: just under 2500 square feet so looking at the next increment up of size of lot

[2:03:35] Voice 7: lot we'd be looking at those that have an area of 0.6 hectares or 1.5 acres and up to

[2:03:46] Voice 7: 1.2 hectares or 3 acres so in this case currently those lots are allowed to have one dwelling

[2:03:54] Voice 7: and a cottage so under this scenario they would be allowed to have two dwellings and

[2:04:00] Voice 7: and a cottage with a maximum square square footage of all of those buildings combined

[2:04:07] Voice 7: being about 3 500 square feet and then the next increment and we uh the next increment and this

[2:04:18] Voice 7: is with so this is all within the residential zone would be uh 1.2 hectares or three acres or

[2:04:26] Voice 7: or up to 0.5 acres.

[2:04:31] Voice 7: And in that case right now, you're

[2:04:36] Voice 7: allowed to have one primary dwelling and a cottage.

[2:04:42] Voice 7: So under this, you would be allowed

[2:04:44] Voice 7: to have two additional dwellings.

[2:04:46] Voice 7: And again, the suggested maximum square footage

[2:04:51] Voice 7: is 4,750 square feet.

[2:04:56] Voice 7: And again, these are numbers that have just been identified based on this exploration of approaches that have been done in general

[2:05:10] Voice 7: side is looking at livability and all that sort of thing to put out there, and this can be further discussed, but we had to put something out there to begin with.

[2:05:21] Voice 7: So in a rural zone, this would only really apply to those areas where there's been lot averaging applied.

[2:05:34] Voice 7: So generally the rural zones are larger lots, but in some cases we do have some smaller lots

[2:05:42] Voice 7: because of subdivisions that have happened and allowed for that under Watt averaging,

[2:05:50] Voice 7: which is a concept I won't go into

[2:05:51] Voice 1: too much detail

[2:05:52] Voice 7: right now unless anybody's interested.

[2:05:54] Voice 7: But in these cases, we do have some smaller lots, and these are the ones that are in our log,

[2:05:58] Voice 7: Beachwood currently. And so in this case, we're looking at where we currently have one,

[2:06:12] Voice 7: It would be one dwelling and one cottage, it would be allowing for an additional, so

[2:06:19] Voice 7: where there's only allowed, the small number allowing for one, it would be the same sort

[2:06:25] Voice 7: of scheme that would be applied.

[2:06:28] Voice 7: So where there's only allowed one dwelling, you'd be allowed to have two, where the size

[2:06:34] Voice 7: only allows for one dwelling and cottage, you'd be allowed to have an additional dwelling,

[2:06:39] Voice 7: and again there are the square foot maximums that would be applied.

[2:06:44] Voice 7: So in addition to identifying these things there, the size of them and the number of dwellings,

[2:06:53] Voice 7: the amendments require, the draft amendments require water attachment and storage and that

[2:07:03] Voice 7: That regulation has been drafted similar to that which currently

[2:07:09] Voice 7: exists for secondary suites, so it's

[2:07:12] Voice 7: the same amount of cistern capacity, which

[2:07:16] Voice 7: is 3,000 gallons.

[2:07:17] Voice 7: And that would be for each additional dwelling.

[2:07:22] Voice 7: The draft amendment also addresses bed breakfasts.

[2:07:30] Voice 7: So it identifies bed and breakfast to be only in the primary dwelling, so only in one of the dwellings.

[2:07:37] Voice 7: And with respect to STVRs, and in this case we're talking about STVRs, so currently the rental of a cottage is allowed outright in the by-law.

[2:07:49] Voice 7: So in this case, under this kind of scheme, you would only be allowed to rent only one...

[2:07:57] Voice 7: If you're allowed to have a cottage on your property, then you would be allowed to have that as an SDVIR.

[2:08:05] Voice 7: No additional, you would not be able to have any additional buildings play that role.

[2:08:14] Voice 7: And also, you would only be allowed to have one secondary suite in one of those where you're allowed to have secondary suites.

[2:08:22] Voice 7: And then the final piece is that there will be a map that will identify the pilot area.

[2:08:31] Voice 7: So currently the pilot area is identified as the small area along Beachwood.

[2:08:42] Voice 7: That's what we proposed previously. As I mentioned there are a couple of

[2:08:49] Voice 7: of potential things that we could be looking into.

[2:08:52] Voice 7: There is the discussion that, so I

[2:08:57] Voice 7: am in the process of discussing this with the water service

[2:09:02] Voice 7: provider, the staff person at the CID that manages the water

[2:09:09] service, where

[2:09:09] Voice 7: that discussion has not happened yet.

[2:09:11] Voice 7: We're in the process of trying to figure out a time that we

[2:09:15] Voice 7: can try to have that discussion.

[2:09:16] Voice 7: So this idea has not been fully introduced to them yet, just so that, you know, we don't have that specific.

[2:09:24] Voice 7: So I don't even know if they would be open to it or interested.

[2:09:28] Voice 7: We also don't have a sense of what their water situation is.

[2:09:37] Voice 7: I mean, we have our own maps, et cetera, but we don't talk directly to them.

[2:09:41] Voice 7: As I mentioned, I did receive letters or have been in conversation with two property owners,

[2:09:49] Voice 7: one on Fernville Road, who indicated that they had this concept in mind for several

[2:09:56] Voice 7: years and were interested in knowing whether they could be part of the pilot, and another

[2:10:02] Voice 7: property owner completely independent on Gallagher Bay Road, who was also interested.

[2:10:08] Voice 7: So when I look at, when staff have a look at the maps, Gallagher Bay Road, there's potential there, it's not within a water service area, and it's not within a critical area, a potentially critical area for water.

[2:10:25] Voice 7: So that would be a discussion with our hydrogeologist to see what his thinking is with respect to potentially spending in that area.

[2:10:34] Voice 7: area. The Fern Hill Road area, that would also be an area, a discussion with our hydrogeologist,

[2:10:43] Voice 7: probably more at a more focused scale. We have to sort of dive into the data that we

[2:10:51] Voice 7: have a little bit more to understand what the impact could be in that area. But right

[2:10:56] Voice 7: Right now staff are just recommending that trustees support staff and look into these options, so that's just been put out in that way.

[2:11:11] Voice 7: So, I'm open to any questions from trustees.

[2:11:15] Voice 7: Trustees?

[2:11:20] Voice 1: We have a lot to digest, but Trustee Dodds I'm sure has plenty to do so.

[2:11:25] Voice 1: Well,

[2:11:26] Voice 5: I have to say, I love the blue, thank you. I love the blue.

[2:11:28] Voice 5: And I

[2:11:29] Voice 5: love the fact that you're taking and sort of simplifying square footages of cottages and secondary suites,

[2:11:35] Voice 5: making things align better. So I think that's great. I love the whole concept overall.

[2:11:42] Voice 5: I think it obviously makes sense. I think the part where we're not mentioning enough

[2:11:46] Voice 5: is that by shrinking the built footprint on a piece of land, you're preserving.

[2:11:50] Voice 5: You know, you're reducing your ecological footprint, so I think it's a win-win.

[2:11:55] Voice 5: The reality is, Sid, if you could hear me, is that we're running out of property.

[2:12:00] Voice 5: I can hear you.

[2:12:01] Voice 5: We're running out of, we're almost at build-out, we're almost at build-out, so in ten years

[2:12:06] Voice 5: from now, there is not going

[2:12:08] Voice 5: to be a lot

[2:12:10] Voice 5: of places for people to come and live here or

[2:12:13] Voice 5: recreate here or whatever.

[2:12:14] Voice 5: So this is a way of encouraging people to reduce their footprint, but perhaps create

[2:12:19] Voice 5: read some rentals at the same time. So I just love the whole report. I think it's great.

[2:12:24] Voice 5: And I had a question about when we endorsed the draft by-law, is that like first reading

[2:12:30] Voice 5: or we're just saying it?

[2:12:33] Voice 7: So

[2:12:33] Voice 5: it's just endorsing

[2:12:34] Voice 7: at this point because if you want to go further with the exploration

[2:12:39] Voice 7: related to the other ones, then that would happen before first reading.

[2:12:44] Voice 17: Because it doesn't have the map attached.

[2:12:45] Voice 17: up

[2:12:46] Voice 5: okay okay so I'm thrilled with it all thank you so I

[2:12:49] Voice 17: have one question just so I got some

[2:12:52] Voice 17: clarity around it appears a couple of times but I'll only ask it once I got your concept that

[2:12:58] Voice 17: that you could only have the bed breakfast in the main dwelling the language says only one

[2:13:05] Voice 17: dwelling unit may be used for bed and breakfast home occupation per lot so I guess what you're

[2:13:10] Voice 17: saying is it doesn't matter which one as only one of them can be a bed of practice

[2:13:15] Voice 17: yeah yeah okay okay as opposed to i was thinking of a main dwelling unit with subsets but really

[2:13:21] Voice 17: what we're talking about is setting up a scenario if there's three units on a property

[2:13:25] Voice 17: none of them are the main one

[2:13:27] Voice 17: necessarily they're all dwelling units okay that's

[2:13:30] Voice 5: right in some cases

[2:13:31] Voice 5: what i was going to say and the bnb no matter what it has to have a full-time residence in it so right

[2:13:37] Voice 5: so you know you may be renting or well obviously hopefully all three are rented full-time but

[2:13:43] Voice 5: but it would be the primary homeowner presumably.

[2:13:47] Voice 17: So if I could just sort of lay out,

[2:13:49] Voice 17: because people are watching and people are watching this process,

[2:13:53] if we sort of imagine what this process might look like,

[2:13:58] and go and get some more information about the various places

[2:14:03] Voice 17: where the, they're not called test cases,

[2:14:06] Voice 17: where the trial pilot places are.

[2:14:09] Voice 17: We get a map, we bring back the first bylaw,

[2:14:12] Voice 17: and then the idea would be, okay, let's go out to the community and say,

[2:14:17] Voice 17: what do you think about these numbers?

[2:14:18] Voice 17: What do you think about 4,600 square feet as a maximum for three buildings

[2:14:22] Voice 17: on a property that might otherwise be allowed to have, I don't know how big it could be.

[2:14:29] Voice 17: And then we could massage the numbers up or down or wherever with that,

[2:14:35] Voice 17: or we can get ideas back from people that say, you know what, I think this is a terrible idea,

[2:14:39] Voice 17: and or people could say it's a great idea and then so that would be the ideas once we got the

[2:14:44] Voice 17: first first reading in front of us we could then take it out to the community in whatever format

[2:14:53] Voice 17: that might look i guess it would be a cim type process uh to go out and and do that and before

[2:15:02] Voice 17: we went any farther and that's where we could talk about the numbers and the specifics i mean

[2:15:07] Voice 17: I was

[2:15:09] Voice 5: going to say, the other issue is like, because you specifically mentioned Wooddale

[2:15:12] Voice 5: because it is a water district, but if we had a map and if the community of Wooddale

[2:15:17] Voice 5: agreed, but can we have a mechanism to put a limit on, like we know that there's very

[2:15:23] Voice 5: few undeveloped lots left on the island, period.

[2:15:27] Voice 5: Can we identify specific, like, lot size?

[2:15:30] Voice 5: Obviously, even if it was, whatever, Timbuktu Road down there, if that's your pilot area,

[2:15:35] Voice 5: we would want to limit it to a certain size of property, like we wouldn't want quarter acre lots trying, so we could massage restrictions.

[2:15:45] Voice 7: I mean the way that the by-law amended is presented and would be presented otherwise requested is it includes a map,

[2:15:56] Voice 7: and so the map can identify even specific properties.

[2:16:01] Voice 7: Yeah,

[2:16:01] Voice 5: so you could actually say, okay, yes, you're a pilot area down, you know, that road,

[2:16:08] Voice 5: but we're only going to allow three potential properties on that road, not all of them.

[2:16:13] Voice 5: Because obviously the intention is to not create a huge amount of density,

[2:16:17] Voice 5: extra density in one area versus another.

[2:16:20] Voice 5: So we would be limiting it on the map.

[2:16:22] Voice 5: Exactly.

[2:16:24] Voice 5: Is there going to be a minimum size?

[2:16:27] Voice 19: Well,

[2:16:28] Voice 5: these are all, yeah,

[2:16:30] Voice 5: we're just saying we have all kinds of tools to massage this

[2:16:34] Voice 5: into something that we can all live with.

[2:16:36] Voice 5: Yes?

[2:16:36] Voice 5: Yes.

[2:16:37] Voice 5: The answer is yes.

[2:16:38] Voice 19: A quarter is a lot.

[2:16:40] Voice 19: Yes.

[2:16:40] Voice 5: Too small.

[2:16:41] Voice 5: Too small.

[2:16:42] Voice 5: So this is what we're saying, is we can do this, we can identify on maps places that

[2:16:47] Voice 5: are no-go, other areas that have the potential, and a limit, because the limits may be only

[2:16:54] Voice 5: one.

[2:16:54] Voice 5: Who knows?

[2:16:55] Voice 5: So,

[2:16:56] Voice 17: I have a question. I would understand this proposal to be flexible enough that it could include properties that already have a house on them, as long as they're not so big that they've already exceeded the maximum.

[2:17:12] Voice 17: So if you had a house that was 1,400 square feet, and your maximum from under this bylaw was 2,800, just to pick some numbers, you'd have the ability to do that.

[2:17:21] Voice 17: So it's not just a completely undeveloped properties. It's the ones that already have something on them

[2:17:27] Voice 17: But to have something density attached

[2:17:30] Voice 17: Particularly like having excess density on a property that is unused

[2:17:35] Voice 1: Yeah

[2:17:36] Voice 1: The dog's concerned because if you have to solve the box, yeah, you've

[2:17:41] Voice 1: only got so much you can build out there now so

[2:17:44] Voice 1: The math sort of stops you from doing

[2:17:53] Voice 6: I was just wondering at this point if we could just withdraw Wooddale from the planning that you're suggesting,

[2:18:04] Voice 6: seeing as we've got a considerable amount of people living in areas on Wooddale that we don't even know if they should be living there.

[2:18:13] Voice 5: You still

[2:18:14] Voice 5: need to be part of the conversation at the end when the decision comes.

[2:18:18] Voice 5: All of that will be taken into consideration, but completely not make that part of the conversation.

[2:18:23] Voice 5: Right now, unless the water district, we still don't know.

[2:18:26] Voice 6: Well, we

[2:18:27] Voice 5: know you have problems.

[2:18:29] Voice 5: We

[2:18:30] Voice 6: have a leak in our district.

[2:18:33] Voice 6: So that hasn't even been sought, you know, they haven't even discussed that with CRD.

[2:18:38] Voice 6: So I don't think that we should be including Wooddale, or I don't even think that you need to include any areas

[2:18:45] Voice 6: at this point, if we don't even have a by-law suggesting that

[2:18:50] Voice 5: this is even allowed, so...

[2:18:52] Voice 5: Yeah, no, and that's an interesting point. So we can go ahead with the by-law and not have any pilot areas,

[2:18:58] Voice 5: which is doable,

[2:19:00] Voice 18: is doable, and then once we've got the

[2:19:02] Voice 5: by-law, but still you need to be part of that conversation about the by-law,

[2:19:06] Voice 5: because I think everybody needs to understand what it's about and what the ramifications might be.

[2:19:11] Voice 5: I

[2:19:12] Voice 6: just wanted to add that

[2:19:13] Voice 6: certain areas are being pinpointed already when there's a big mess happening down there, so I don't think that until we actually have

[2:19:23] Voice 6: this conversation at another level about all the issues happening, how can...

[2:19:32] Voice 10: Yeah,

[2:19:33] Voice 5: I guess I kind of have trouble with it, so we shouldn't even have talked to the CRB, like I could see at the end of the day, if we've talked to the CRB, and then we're considering making that pilot area and actually going ahead with that, then having

[2:19:45] Voice 5: your conversation of concern, because this is going to take months, this isn't going to happen tomorrow.

[2:19:50] Voice 6: Yeah, but it's

[2:19:51] Voice 6: already issued and, like, by commenting it, and in the mainliner, you've already had the whole islands talking about

[2:19:59] Voice 5: this

[2:20:00] Voice 6: on Wooddale.

[2:20:01] Voice 6: But the

[2:20:02] Voice 5: conversation goes both ways, and I think it's good because people now know there's a conversation.

[2:20:07] Voice 5: So for us to shut the conversation down and say, okay, we're not going to include Wooddale, makes it go underground,

[2:20:14] Voice 5: which is better if everybody talks about it.

[2:20:16] Voice 5: At the end of the day, the decision-making has to be with everyone comfortable with the pilot area.

[2:20:21] Voice 5: Yes, I agree with that.

[2:20:22] Voice 5: But to completely say, okay, we're not even going to look there anymore,

[2:20:26] Voice 5: gives a false sense of, frankly, I think there's going to come a day

[2:20:30] Voice 5: when Village Bay Water District, all the people that are,

[2:20:33] Voice 5: it's going to happen on the whole island because we're all

[2:20:35] Voice 8: going to reach a day

[2:20:36] Voice 5: where there's not going to be

[2:20:38] Voice 5: places for people to go.

[2:20:40] Voice 5: And the reality is

[2:20:41] Voice 6: when that happens...

[2:20:42] Voice 5: Yeah, I

[2:20:42] Voice 6: think that's the issue.

[2:20:42] Voice 6: I don't think it's an issue of that we need more rentals or we need more accommodation.

[2:20:47] Voice 6: I don't think that's the concerns of Wooddale.

[2:20:51] Voice 6: I think that the concerns are that there's already a lot of people living not in homes,

[2:20:58] Voice 6: not in, and nobody's looking at that part, but now we want it to be a pilot project to

[2:21:04] Voice 6: add more people.

[2:21:05] Voice 5: Well,

[2:21:05] Voice 6: actually, the

[2:21:07] Voice 5: concept behind flex housing is to try and get housing, proper

[2:21:11] Voice 5: proper housing for people and

[2:21:12] Voice 6: yeah our problem is we don't have enough

[2:21:14] Voice 5: housing so people are

[2:21:16] Voice 5: basically going to be in this and we're just at the top of this whole homeless situation that 10

[2:21:22] Voice 5: years from now is going to be far worse i mean this is not going to get better like salt spring

[2:21:26] Voice 5: is miles ahead so it's kind of hiding our heads in sand as i think it's doing so i don't think

[2:21:32] Voice 6: it's too much to ask them to take out um like i don't know why we need to mention areas though

[2:21:37] Voice 6: at this point okay i'll

[2:21:40] Voice 6: give you my perspective

[2:21:41] Voice 17: um and i'll just or the planner can i think the

[2:21:44] Voice 17: idea was we didn't necessarily see this well the the feedback we got in the first three community

[2:21:50] Voice 17: information meetings was mostly focused around water water water water water what

[2:21:56] Voice 17: what are the

[2:21:57] Voice 17: don't come to our because we're already water stressed we don't need more density so then we

[2:22:02] Voice 17: We took a look at it and said, okay, we still like the idea, but let's see if we can go

[2:22:08] Voice 17: find some areas where that may not be as big an issue.

[2:22:14] Voice 17: You may have noticed the first proposal was a very small area, well, relatively small

[2:22:19] Voice 11: area.

[2:22:20] Voice 11: Was it Beechwood?

[2:22:21] Voice 17: Is that where you're from?

[2:22:22] Voice 17: I think there were only 20 lots or something along that area.

[2:22:26] Voice 17: Then we started to see, well, maybe there's a few other areas.

[2:22:29] Voice 17: But we wanted to try a pilot as opposed to sort of spread it across the whole island

[2:22:34] Voice 17: To see if this is going to work and have some uptake in the where areas that might have the most success in

[2:22:40] Voice 17: You may be entirely right. What they may be the levels areas that doesn't fit it all of this

[2:22:53] Voice 6: Residents that aren't sharing land that are not

[2:23:00] Voice 6: I hear you

[2:23:01] Voice 17: I mean

[2:23:03] Voice 6: I don't know the area

[2:23:03] Voice 17: but I hear your concerns

[2:23:05] Voice 17: and I think that was part of the motion

[2:23:07] Voice 17: that Trustee Maude put on the table

[2:23:09] Voice 17: we better get a conversation to deal with

[2:23:11] Voice 17: those other issues but imagine

[2:23:13] Voice 17: if we could

[2:23:15] Voice 17: ride the clock back

[2:23:16] Voice 17: if instead of what has happened

[2:23:19] Voice 17: there was some ability to have flexible

[2:23:21] Voice 17: housing in there that might have created proper

[2:23:23] Voice 17: housing as opposed to what's there

[2:23:26] Voice 17: now and anyway

[2:23:27] Voice 17: but that's all

[2:23:27] Voice 17: all for discussion that's all right stop

[2:23:32] Voice 5: the conversation now we have so much

[2:23:37] Voice 5: more information that we have to get so we have a meeting with CRD we're going

[2:23:43] Voice 5: to hear from the CRD water people we've got a ton more information so it's not

[2:23:48] Voice 5: like we're saying this is going to happen but to stop right now and not get

[2:23:52] Voice 5: that information that's really what you're asking us to do is to not get the

[2:23:55] Voice 5: information doesn't seem to me otherwise sort of thing to do um and having an area that's a that's

[2:24:02] Voice 5: going to be in in a flex housing area doesn't mean you're in the uptake dan mentioned uptake

[2:24:07] Voice 5: now this all is based on the premise that perhaps a private property landowner will actually come

[2:24:16] Voice 5: in here and say i want to build a rental house now who the hell wants to be a landlord who i've

[2:24:23] Voice 5: been one for like 45 years and believe me it's no fun so this is all based on a lot of premises of

[2:24:30] Voice 5: what if maybe how but we have a problem coming i mean it's here now and it's going to get worse we

[2:24:37] Voice 5: need to do something about housing and the flex housing creates proper housing and it's kind of

[2:24:43] Voice 5: like if you have a slum area and it's when dale's not the only one on the island there's a few

[2:24:48] Voice 5: others um and then if you have people come in and actually take ownership of property we can create

[2:24:53] Voice 5: nicer environments on that property because they have some options then it's entirely possible

[2:24:58] Voice 5: that you'll lift the whole level up but right now i don't see that that's going to happen just that

[2:25:03] Voice 5: the things on blue deal are going to get better if we just take them off our list i think that we'd

[2:25:08] Voice 5: be going backwards by doing that i think the overall goal here is actually to improve things

[2:25:14] Voice 6: Well, as long as the issue, the problems are going to be looked at.

[2:25:18] Voice 6: Well, we've committed.

[2:25:22] Voice 5: We've committed to meeting and to working with CRD to find out what we can do about the redstone and then all the illegal dwellings that we know are on Woodvale.

[2:25:33] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:25:35] Voice 19: Can I just make a comment, please?

[2:25:40] Voice 19: This is all related back to what we're discussing now.

[2:25:45] Voice 19: Like, tiny homes are now approved, right?

[2:25:48] Voice 19: No.

[2:25:49] Voice 5: No.

[2:25:49] Voice 5: They're not part of the flex housing.

[2:25:51] Voice 5: Specificity says...

[2:25:52] Voice 19: No, no, no, no.

[2:25:53] Voice 19: ...approved for...

[2:25:54] Voice 19: At the moment, okay.

[2:25:57] Voice 19: The person next door to me has two tiny homes.

[2:26:01] Voice 19: And get a permit for it?

[2:26:03] Voice 19: Their

[2:26:04] Voice 5: class is an RV, so you may have one tiny home or one trailer or one camper on

[2:26:11] Voice 5: your property as a dwelling, and it's hooked up to sewer water, one.

[2:26:15] Voice 5: Yeah, because what I'm going to discuss right

[2:26:17] Voice 19: now is not discuss, just mention, this is

[2:26:22] Voice 19: my next-door neighbor.

[2:26:24] Voice 19: They put a tiny home there, right?

[2:26:26] Voice 19: It wasn't big enough.

[2:26:28] Voice 19: Build another one.

[2:26:29] Voice 19: That wasn't big enough.

[2:26:31] Voice 10: Bring

[2:26:31] Voice 19: a trailer in.

[2:26:32] Voice 19: Well, that's not big enough. Now there's a motor home now, you know, because...

[2:26:39] Voice 5: But that's not,

[2:26:40] Voice 5: that's got nothing to do with the flex housing, that's got to do with by-law, and by-laws that are being broken.

[2:26:45] Voice 5: No, but it's all related back to housing.

[2:26:48] Voice 17: Of course it's all related to housing, but that's one of the conversations that you heard us talk about earlier.

[2:26:55] This is a different conversation about a way that this

[2:26:59] Voice 17: LTC is trying to address the...

[2:27:01] Voice 19: So if the flex house, just say for instance, the flex goes through,

[2:27:05] Voice 10: all

[2:27:06] Voice 19: these people that are squatting in tents and beat up trailers and boats and what have you, they're all going to get moved?

[2:27:14] Voice 6: No, no, no, no,

[2:27:15] Voice 6: because they...

[2:27:16] Voice 19: Then why

[2:27:16] Voice 6: would we want more housing if you won't clean that problem up first, right?

[2:27:22] Voice 5: Because people need, like, housing, flex housing will be real houses that people will be building.

[2:27:32] Voice 6: So

[2:27:33] Voice 17: this is going to be the conversation on the island for the next eight months.

[2:27:37] Voice 17: We're not going to stall this.

[2:27:39] Voice 17: No, we're going to stall this for eight years.

[2:27:41] Voice 17: What's that?

[2:27:42] Voice 19: It'll be eight years.

[2:27:44] Voice 17: Well, I'm going to suggest it's eight months because that's the rest of this term.

[2:27:50] Voice 8: Right?

[2:27:51] Voice 17: We've got until September to see if we can get this to somewhere.

[2:27:55] Voice 17: that's that's somewhere that's workable yeah

[2:27:59] Voice 13: okay yeah

[2:28:01] Voice 17: i love them so i'll let you say go ahead

[2:28:03] Voice 14: yeah i just want to make a comment that in the in the reports and as we go forward that we don't

[2:28:10] Voice 14: refer to it as as wooddale that we refer to it as surfside water district because that's what

[2:28:17] Voice 14: Yeah, it's true, it's true.

[2:28:18] Voice 11: There are

[2:28:18] Voice 14: some properties on Wardell.

[2:28:21] Voice 11: Yeah, yeah,

[2:28:22] Voice 11: and on Wardell.

[2:28:23] Voice 14: And they're not squandered there.

[2:28:26] Voice 14: Okay.

[2:28:27] Voice 14: Not many, but I have some helpful.

[2:28:30] Voice 5: Can we move ahead with the motions, I think?

[2:28:33] Voice 17: I'm ready.

[2:28:34] Voice 17: I don't know about Trustee Monk.

[2:28:35] Voice 17: You can quiet for a few minutes.

[2:28:36] Voice 17: I can quiet.

[2:28:37] Voice 17: My

[2:28:37] Voice 1: only two comments are, as Trustee Doxler inferred, is we did secondary sweeps and put

[2:28:44] Voice 1: put a lot of energy into that, and there was almost no uptake.

[2:28:50] Voice 1: It's

[2:28:50] Voice 1: a difference between allowing something and something happening.

[2:28:57] Voice 1: And with construction costs and all the

[2:29:00] Voice 1: oversights required, everything new is very, very expensive.

[2:29:04] Voice 1: So just because something is permitted doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen.

[2:29:08] It's so

[2:29:10] Voice 1: easy to spend $5,000 and buy a used travel trailer and

[2:29:12] Voice 1: pop it in versus what we're talking is permanent destruction so it's going to be difficult and the

[2:29:18] other thing i wanted to point out is that we talk a lot about in this bylaw

[2:29:23] Voice 1: about rainwater catchment

[2:29:26] Voice 1: and i i don't know that dan's probably going to like laugh me over the head at some point

[2:29:30] Voice 1: i don't shout about it but you know is that we have to get out of this mentality of pumping

[2:29:35] Voice 1: water out of the ground.

[2:29:37] Voice 1: I'm not going to interrupt you over that.

[2:29:39] Voice 1: We do have to get out of the water.

[2:29:40] Voice 1: Part of this discussion is that this

[2:29:43] Voice 1: Surside Water District is the reason

[2:29:45] Voice 1: we're targeting it is because we think CRD will

[2:29:47] Voice 1: allow us to use groundwater.

[2:29:50] Voice 1: I would prefer

[2:29:51] Voice 1: a lot more emphasis

[2:29:53] Voice 1: be put on anything that happens

[2:29:55] Voice 1: is the use of rainwater catchment

[2:29:57] Voice 1: because I think clearly

[2:30:00] Voice 1: is the the road to the future and you know if we were sitting in a situation saying you can't drill

[2:30:05] Voice 1: anywhere as well as the main island i think we'd be doing a lot of good for the island so that's

[2:30:11] Voice 1: just my political statement for today okay

[2:30:13] Voice 5: i need to move the motion i think we need to move it

[2:30:15] Voice 5: okay

[2:30:16] Voice 19: just one comment on what i just said in new zealand it's mandatory to build a system

[2:30:23] Voice 19: before you can build a house yeah and

[2:30:24] Voice 1: that is in this file that's

[2:30:26] Voice 5: in this file i move that the

[2:30:28] Voice 5: The Main Island Local Trust Committee endorsed draft by-law number 184, cited as Main Island Land Use By-law number 146-2008, amendment number 2-2021.

[2:30:40] Voice 17: I will second that.

[2:30:41] Voice 17: And is there any further discussion beyond what we've already talked about?

[2:30:45] Voice 17: I'll call the vote all in favor.

[2:30:46] Voice 17: That passes, you know.

[2:30:47] Voice 5: Moved that the Main Island Local Trust Committee request staff to amend the official community plan to enable the land use by-law amendments proposed in draft by-law number 184, cited as main.

[2:30:58] Voice 5: island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number two 2021.

[2:31:05] Voice 17: okay any further discussion

[2:31:08] Voice 17: all favor that passes you now that

[2:31:11] Voice 5: the main island local trust committee requests statutes

[2:31:14] Voice 5: for options related to expanding the flexible housing pilot area to include portions of surfside

[2:31:21] Voice 5: Park, portions of Surfside Park, lots along Fern Hill Road, which is a long road, and

[2:31:29] Voice 5: the Gallagher Bay Road area, which is a huge area, outside of the Mount Park Estates Improvement

[2:31:35] Voice 5: District.

[2:31:36] Voice 5: So those are three large areas.

[2:31:40] Voice 1: Is there a seconder?

[2:31:41] Voice 1: There's a seconder, and if I could just briefly comment, is that we don't mention CRD buy-in

[2:31:49] on that.

[2:31:51] We

[2:31:52] Voice 1: have sent a request to CRDC, are you interested in participating?

[2:31:56] Voice 5: But they're exploring options.

[2:31:57] Voice 1: So that's an option.

[2:31:59] Voice 1: It's great enough that we're not locking in Surfside.

[2:32:04] Voice 1: We're saying that it possibly can be our radar.

[2:32:07] Voice 5: Or any of it, because Fernhill Road is a busy road.

[2:32:10] Voice 5: How much more traffic do you want on Fernhill Road?

[2:32:12] Voice 5: Trying to put the gates up.

[2:32:18] Voice 5: So we've got a motion.

[2:32:21] Voice 17: We've got a seconder. Anything further? All in favour? Thank you

[2:32:27] Voice 17: for your work on this Nerissa. We look forward to all of these comments and the discussion

[2:32:32] Voice 17: going forward. I can assure you that nobody wants to give you all the problems you currently

[2:32:38] Voice 17: have a three o'clock so you've heard today two approaches to one is to try

[2:32:45] and figure out a way to deal with some of the current problems that were Dale

[2:32:49] and another approach that may or may

[2:32:50] Voice 17: not affect your area is

[2:32:53] Voice 5: it possible to put

[2:32:55] Voice 19: forward a

[2:33:02] Voice 5: motion to say to express the consideration that the trust maybe would

[2:33:06] Voice 5: would not move forward with any increased density on Wendell until such time as we had

[2:33:13] Voice 5: significant conversations around current issues, because that is the intent.

[2:33:18] Voice 17: Well, you can make any motion you like, if you'd like to make that motion.

[2:33:21] Voice 5: Well, I move that the Local Trust Committee commit to not expanding density, increasing

[2:33:27] Voice 5: any sort of density on the properties in the Surfside Park estates until such time as adequate

[2:33:34] Voice 5: consultation has occurred with the landowners in the Wooddale or Surfside

[2:33:39] Voice 5: Park area and suppliers of water systems. Does that

[2:33:46] Voice 17: work? We'll just see how it works.

[2:33:48] Voice 2: Yeah, not in there, but okay. That the LTC commit to not expanding density, increasing

[2:33:53] Voice 2: any density of Surfside Park's estate until consultation with landowners.

[2:33:59] Voice 5: The landowners occurs, I would say substantial consultation with landowners and

[2:34:06] Voice 2: other

[2:34:07] Voice 5: service

[2:34:11] Voice 5: providers in that area, which means the CRD building, apartments, water, highways, all

[2:34:16] Voice 5: that kind of stuff.

[2:34:17] Voice 5: So that is the commitment.

[2:34:19] Voice 5: Thank you.

[2:34:19] Voice 5: You don't want

[2:34:20] Voice 2: me to name the providers?

[2:34:21] Voice 5: No.

[2:34:21] Voice 5: No.

[2:34:21] Voice 2: Just the service providers.

[2:34:23] Voice 2: So it was moved that the LTC commit to not expanding density of calming or increasing to any density of surfside park estates until substantial consultation with landowners occurs and other service providers occurs in that area?

[2:34:43] Voice 11: Yes.

[2:34:52] Voice 17: Any trustee mod?

[2:34:53] Voice 17: I'll second that.

[2:34:54] Voice 17: Okay.

[2:34:55] Okay.

[2:34:56] Voice 17: Anything further?

[2:34:57] Voice 17: All in favor?

[2:35:00] Voice 3: Thank

[2:35:01] Voice 17: you very much.

[2:35:06] Voice 17: okay it takes us through 11.1 we're now at the work program report uh which is at page 141 of

[2:35:14] Voice 17: the agenda is there anything either trustee wishes to say about the work top priorities or the

[2:35:26] Voice 17: or the uh um for the projects just you want it i don't know we just the top priorities

[2:35:33] at some point hopefully we'll be looking at some recommendations to add some stuff to the list

[2:35:41] and hopefully the groundwater is a sustainable project.

[2:35:46] Yeah, you can, um, I,

[2:35:50] Voice 17: I, trust me, I'm sorry,

[2:35:53] Voice 17: Clare Chadwick can sort of give us a good idea when you think it might go,

[2:35:57] Voice 17: we've sort of put it on hold, pending North Pender and Galliano,

[2:36:01] Voice 17: when it might come back to those two homes, trust me.

[2:36:05] Voice 17: Yeah,

[2:36:05] Voice 7: so, um, at the moment, um, right now it's unspecified, in fact,

[2:36:12] February meetings for both Galliano and North Pender, where drafts, or at least suggestions for draft amendments will be brought forward.

[2:36:23] So that

[2:36:24] Voice 7: may be a point at which we can, beyond what I consider a starting point.

[2:36:29] Voice 17: Yeah, so at that point we could look at what's been proposed for those two, for those LTCs,

[2:36:36] Voice 17: and decide whether you want to move forward in that same direction or some other direction.

[2:36:39] Voice 17: Plus, by then, presumably, the groundwater mapping will

[2:36:43] Voice 7: be up

[2:36:44] Voice 17: and available for all the southern gulf islands.

[2:36:48] Voice 7: As I've mentioned previously, the intention is to have it on the website by December 1st,

[2:36:54] and there will be the presentation by William

[2:36:55] Voice 5: that's being managed and organized by the Conservancy,

[2:37:00] Voice 7: which will pretty much be the same presentation that Galliano and North Penderick had.

[2:37:05] Voice 7: So the Conservancy is sort of moving this project a little bit further ahead.

[2:37:10] I hope that's okay.

[2:37:12] It's great. It's a great opportunity.

[2:37:14] I should mention too that I have sent a memo

[2:37:18] Voice 4: up to the water districts through the integrated water

[2:37:23] Voice 4: and suggested that they make a point of informing all of their water board people about this event.

[2:37:31] Voice 4: then yeah I expect it it will be a full house okay

[2:37:35] Voice 17: anything else on the work program no and we'll

[2:37:39] Voice 17: just take that as it is we have the three top priorities and nothing I assume there's nothing

[2:37:43] Voice 17: from the projects report anybody wants to report on we have the applications report here that's at

[2:37:49] Voice 17: page 145 47 anything relate to that any questions for either the trustees not seeing anything

[2:37:55] Voice 17: we have the local expenses that are here for public information

[2:37:58] Voice 17: information. You guys spent $6.38. I don't know how you did that. I don't know how you

[2:38:05] Voice 17: possibly spent $6.38, but somehow you did it. I didn't get that sandwich.

[2:38:13] Voice 17: So your adopted policy standing resolutions are here for information, unless there's any

[2:38:20] Voice 17: any questions uh so we're now at 12.6 which are the uh various reports you're the only local

[2:38:31] trust community

[2:38:32] Voice 17: where you make the chair go first um i should reverse it anyway yeah so um i'll just

[2:38:40] Voice 17: uh say that next week is it next week already is uh trust council uh be our first trust council

[2:38:49] Voice 17: in person in 21 months uh it's in victoria uh it has a call it a relatively i mean it's going to

[2:39:00] Voice 17: be a busy trust council we're expecting probably 20 of the 26 trustees to be there in person

[2:39:07] Voice 17: uh it will also be broadcast and um it will also you'll be able to enter come into the town hall

[2:39:17] Voice 17: or watch the delegations on zoom and you'll be able to come in by zoom so

[2:39:22] Voice 17: it'll be it's effectively fully interactive because that's the only area

[2:39:25] Voice 17: where members of the public interact with the local trust committee in any

[2:39:29] Voice 17: case I'm sorry with the trust council in any case it starts at 1 o'clock on

[2:39:34] Voice 17: Tuesday and goes to approximately 11 or 12 on Thursday morning I'd say that the

[2:39:42] Voice 17: The major topic on the agenda is the budget.

[2:39:46] Voice 17: We've been working very hard at the budget,

[2:39:51] Voice 17: and I think it's now reflecting a general tax increase of 4.2% or something,

[2:40:00] Voice 17: a number close to that, don't quote me.

[2:40:03] Voice 17: Anyway, it's all online.

[2:40:04] Voice 17: The package is there.

[2:40:05] Voice 17: You can look at the budget.

[2:40:06] Voice 17: You can look at what's in it and what's not in it,

[2:40:08] Voice 17: what we're spending money on and what we're not spending money on.

[2:40:11] Voice 17: and you can comment on it.

[2:40:13] Voice 17: There will be a survey and a comment period in January, February,

[2:40:18] Voice 17: but you can always comment to the Trust Council

[2:40:23] Voice 17: and the Trust General Leader regarding your views about that

[2:40:26] Voice 17: and any other issue by going to the website and having your say.

[2:40:33] Voice 17: There will be an update on where we're at on the Trust Policy Statement.

[2:40:37] Voice 17: I haven't heard, when I was in Victoria last Wednesday, they were going to make a decision

[2:40:47] Voice 17: about which of the proponents for the engagement of the Trust Policy Statement, the contractors

[2:40:53] Voice 17: they were going to choose.

[2:40:55] Voice 17: I haven't heard the outcome of that as of this morning, and so I guess that will be

[2:41:01] Voice 17: announced to the Trust Council as well, and we'll start to see the details of the engagement

[2:41:07] Voice 17: process start to roll out as well the other major project is the governance

[2:41:13] Voice 17: review is sort of grinding its way to the end probably be your early part of

[2:41:21] Voice 17: next year March that we're going to see the report from the consultants on that

[2:41:27] Voice 17: there's many other things going on there's lots coming out of the regional

[2:41:32] Voice 17: planning committee uh in terms of model bylaws the trust programs committee we're going to

[2:41:39] Voice 17: just well here's something that's good news we're going to re hopefully trust council agrees to this

[2:41:45] Voice 17: is that they're going to start up the community stewardship awards for the last year of the term

[2:41:50] Voice 17: again um so for next year because we put it on hiatus for two years uh and then recommend that

[2:41:58] Voice 17: that we only do it once a term, and we'll talk about that,

[2:42:01] Voice 17: and then there's some policies on the agenda as well.

[2:42:04] Voice 17: I should say that just talking about water,

[2:42:07] Voice 17: I did watch the Raincoats Foundation is having a series of webinars

[2:42:12] Voice 17: around a series of issues that are prevalent in the islands area.

[2:42:18] Voice 17: In particular, the first one was on water.

[2:42:20] Voice 17: It was an interesting discussion.

[2:42:23] Voice 17: A woman from California and a professor from the UBC

[2:42:28] Voice 17: and then a guy from Salt Spring are on there.

[2:42:30] Voice 17: It's a pretty good webinar.

[2:42:31] Voice 17: What I took away from it, besides the fact that the reality is

[2:42:35] we cannot be definitively sure about anything when

[2:42:39] Voice 17: it comes to water,

[2:42:40] Voice 17: except what's falling from the sky,

[2:42:42] Voice 17: is that I thought the advice from the guy from Salt Spring was very valid

[2:42:46] Voice 17: in following up on your point, Trustee Maude,

[2:42:49] Voice 17: because his advice was catch it, store it, and use it sparingly.

[2:42:55] and I thought that's probably going to be our way forward for the next 30 years anyway

[2:43:01] and you know we're

[2:43:03] Voice 17: getting all this water right now and then there's nothing in June

[2:43:07] Voice 17: so I think you're absolutely right Trustee Mott. So that's

[2:43:12] Voice 7: my report I'm happy to answer

[2:43:13] Voice 17: any questions either you might have or anybody in the audience. Over to you Trustee Dodds.

[2:43:18] Voice 5: Other than of course the storm event we had and we did relatively well there's a bit more

[2:43:23] Voice 5: sluffage along Georgina Point Road and the reality is that you know I think we're going to be looking

[2:43:28] Voice 5: forward to more hot dry summers and wet wet winters and so I agree that more and more rainwater

[2:43:34] Voice 5: collection though I seriously believe that Maine Island on a per capita basis probably has as much

[2:43:40] Voice 5: rainwater storage as any of the islands I think we're incredibly good at storing water um there

[2:43:46] Voice 5: was two reports on our main liner one for Brian Dearden about the amount of water that does land

[2:43:52] Voice 5: land on the island, a lot of which just goes out to the ocean. So that, we did well in

[2:43:57] Voice 5: that rainstorm, but I do think that that's a sign of times to come. A lot of pooling,

[2:44:02] Voice 5: driveways are really hard on rain gathers momentum and washes everything away. There's

[2:44:07] Voice 5: been some flooding on the island where people never had flooding. So I think, actually what

[2:44:12] Voice 5: I really think in Lawrence is part of the emergency preparedness people. I really think

[2:44:16] Voice 5: seeing what's going on around the province, I really don't believe that the majority of

[2:44:21] Voice 5: people that come to may not understand that we do have an emergency preparedness program

[2:44:26] Voice 5: and that they should know what it is and put their neighborhood contacts on it and it's not something

[2:44:31] Voice 5: maybe next meeting we could talk about trying to get the message out there um people really seem

[2:44:36] Voice 5: to be fairly ill prepared for when you get bad wind storms or long-term power outages we get

[2:44:42] Voice 5: kind of complacent so the hot dry summer was a wake-up of replanting all this kind of stuff

[2:44:49] Voice 5: I think it's just really, with the pandemic and then the weather this year, it's almost like the perfect storm of very depressing.

[2:44:59] Voice 5: Sorry.

[2:45:02] Voice 11: Yeah, we're charging.

[2:45:05] Go ahead, Dave.

[2:45:07] Well, we know where you go first because you get to get all the good stuff.

[2:45:12] I would just sort of concur with Trustee Donitz.

[2:45:14] We were very fortunate that last train event that we seem to have gotten off very lightly compared to our neighbors.

[2:45:21] and we should consider ourselves very, very lucky.

[2:45:25] Voice 1: I think the only other thing I just wanted to touch on

[2:45:27] Voice 1: was the passing of Dawn Cressman a few weeks back.

[2:45:31] Voice 1: She was in public.

[2:45:36] She was a very active and enthusiastic trust person.

[2:45:41] She made our lives painful at times,

[2:45:43] but when we had our two meetings over the trust policy statement,

[2:45:47] she was one of the organizers on the island,

[2:45:50] and she was very active.

[2:45:51] Voice 1: and seemingly very much loved on Island and on Saterna, so she will be missed. Thank you.

[2:46:00] Voice 17: Okay, so our next meeting, there is no new, oh, there's no, sorry, there's no Island's

[2:46:06] Voice 17: Trust Conservancy Report, which is too bad. The heron is out, so if it comes out, I'd

[2:46:15] Voice 17: share it. It's a beautiful document. Anyway, there's no new business. Our next meeting

[2:46:20] Voice 17: meeting is January 31st, 2022, so two months pretty much from now. And then we're at the

[2:46:32] Voice 17: second town hall, so this is your opportunity if you wish to address again the local trust

[2:46:37] Voice 17: committee regarding anything you've heard today or any other issue on our agenda. Over

[2:46:41] Voice 17: to you.

[2:46:42] Voice 19: I would like to just make a comment on what Janine just said, which was like people are

[2:46:48] Voice 19: not aware of the emergency thing here because a lot of these new people coming to main island

[2:46:55] Voice 19: are expecting city infrastructure over here you know so the power goes out in a windstorm and

[2:47:08] Voice 19: fortunately i'm not on the internet but my wife roses and you should see the stupid comments

[2:47:15] Voice 19: what we do when the power goes out

[2:47:18] Voice 19: you know

[2:47:20] Voice 17: thank you we'll take that under advisement

[2:47:22] Voice 17: you

[2:47:23] Voice 19: can do whatever you want

[2:47:24] Voice 19: you can embellish it

[2:47:25] Voice 19: just

[2:47:25] Voice 14: a comment on the flex

[2:47:29] Voice 14: I forgot to say that I am

[2:47:31] Voice 14: quite supportive of it and hope

[2:47:33] Voice 14: it's moving forward

[2:47:34] Voice 14: I take it there's still

[2:47:36] Voice 14: an opportunity for

[2:47:38] Voice 14: input on some of the stuff

[2:47:40] Voice 14: the issue of providing water

[2:47:43] Voice 14: before you get a permit is very

[2:47:45] Voice 14: very tough to do. I have that issue with my house, because I could not provide potable

[2:47:51] Voice 14: water until I built the house, which was the infrastructure that was going to house the

[2:47:56] Voice 14: water treatment system. So there

[2:47:58] Voice 14: needs to be some flexibility there. I'll send you some

[2:48:01] Voice 14: notes on that.

[2:48:02] Voice 17: Thank you. Thank you for those comments. Anybody else? Well, thank you very much for coming.

[2:48:07] Voice 17: We're going to have a briefing camera meeting, and so we're going to ask you to leave, and

[2:48:14] Voice 17: we'll report on anything that comes out of the camera nice to see you um thank you nice to meet

[2:48:22] Voice 17: you

[2:48:30] Voice 15: so for those watching online

[2:48:47] Voice 4: All right, so.