Islands Trust Council regular meeting, December 2, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 22: Good morning, everyone. Let's call ourselves to order.

[0:00:06] Voice 22: So I hope everybody is rested and well.

[0:00:12] Voice 22: We have three hours today, and it's going to be a bit of a marathon.

[0:00:17] Voice 22: And I appreciate your help and support.

[0:00:21] Voice 22: Another beautiful day here in Laganquan territory.

[0:00:24] Voice 22: It's a real privilege to wake up in this beautiful place

[0:00:29] Voice 22: and reflect on the rich cultural history that has been here since the beginning of time.

[0:00:35] Voice 22: I'm grateful for that. I'm going to dispense with the long introductions in respect of the time

[0:00:42] Voice 22: that's available for us. I'll just let you know what my thinking is. There's actually almost 13

[0:00:50] Voice 22: items that we need to reflect on in a few decisions and conversations, including any

[0:00:56] Voice 22: additional amendments to our budget and then trustee grove is prepared with a motion to

[0:01:04] Voice 22: approve sending out the budget for public consultation once we've finalized our

[0:01:09] Voice 22: discussion today we have an in-camera session that we're going to begin with and everything

[0:01:16] Voice 22: today i'd like to keep as brief as possible that one included however there are a couple of items

[0:01:22] Voice 22: that we should talk to you about,

[0:01:24] Voice 22: the CEO should talk to you about,

[0:01:26] Voice 22: and we will do that.

[0:01:28] Voice 22: I am inclined, because the public is aware of our schedule

[0:01:33] Voice 22: and knows that we're going in-camera first thing

[0:01:38] Voice 22: and that we're going to be more public-facing

[0:01:40] Voice 22: after the break at 10.30.

[0:01:43] Voice 22: And so I am inclined that if we can have a short in-camera,

[0:01:47] Voice 22: that we do other business.

[0:01:49] Voice 22: And then at 10.30, when we come back from our break,

[0:01:52] Voice 22: dive into the budget items, which is, I think, what the public has the most right to be able to

[0:02:01] Voice 22: observe. So unless there is anybody that objects to that, I would like to conduct ourselves in that

[0:02:08] Voice 22: way. And I'm not seeing any objections. So therefore, that's how we'll do it. And really

[0:02:14] Voice 22: appreciate your help with that and respecting the public's interest in this, what is a very

[0:02:20] Voice 22: important council meeting, and particularly that budget topic. Let us begin then. I will ask for a

[0:02:28] Voice 22: motion to go in camera. Is one of my vice-chairs or somebody else prepared for that? Sue Ellen Fast,

[0:02:36] Voice 22: thank you.

[0:02:39] Voice 19: I move that the Islands Trust Council meeting be closed to the public, subject to

[0:02:43] Voice 19: section 91 of the community charter, in order to consider matters related to C, labour relations,

[0:02:49] Voice 19: or other employment relations, and that staff be invited to attend the closed session.

[0:02:54] Voice 22: Do I have a seconder? Trustee Wolverton, thank you. All those in favour? We have no

[0:03:03] Voice 22: meal preparation plans whatsoever for today at noon, and so I am inclined to say let's end today

[0:03:11] Voice 22: at 12.30. That should give us sufficient time to do the important work that needs to be done,

[0:03:18] Voice 22: And there may be items, particularly some of the reporting out from what we refer to as the summary updates.

[0:03:28] Voice 22: Perhaps those ones might fall aside.

[0:03:30] Voice 22: And if there's anything that you need to report from those committees and bodies, that could be done by email.

[0:03:37] Voice 22: And there may be some other items that end up falling aside.

[0:03:40] Voice 22: But I'm going to do my best with your cooperation to get us through as much of this as we can.

[0:03:45] Voice 22: And I thank you for that in advance.

[0:03:47] Voice 22: So let us begin. The first business item, non-budget business items that we have in front of us is in the local planning services section.

[0:04:01] Voice 22: And on page 311 is the consent agenda item, which is the regional planning committee work program report.

[0:04:08] Voice 22: And unless there's somebody that wishes to speak to that and would offer you the opportunity to communicate directly with the chair, Laura Beshaken, on that, if you wish.

[0:04:20] Voice 22: But is there any discussion on 8.11?

[0:04:25] Voice 22: Not seeing anything.

[0:04:27] Voice 22: So then we will receive that report for information.

[0:04:31] Voice 22: So I'm going to move into the discussion items.

[0:04:34] Voice 22: We did fortunately manage to get the one item off of our list.

[0:04:38] Voice 22: but the first item on that 8.2.1 is the local planning services director's report and of course

[0:04:44] Voice 22: that report is in your package but i want to give that our senior uh planner in the organization

[0:04:50] Voice 22: the opportunity to speak to uh any other matters or what's important in that report that he wants

[0:04:55] Voice 22: to draw your attention to so david marler good morning and thank you to you and your team your

[0:05:01] Voice 22: rpms for the work that you do

[0:05:03] Voice 1: yes thank you and i don't have a lot to say the report knew

[0:05:08] Voice 1: all self-explanatory uh some of the items i was going to cover were covered by the ceo two days

[0:05:13] Voice 1: ago so i won't go over those the one thing i will say is that we do have an opportunity for

[0:05:19] Voice 1: a first nations grant for work on reconciliation uh it's not first nations grant it's actually a

[0:05:27] Voice 1: provincial grant uh called time and more and more so we will be working over the next couple of

[0:05:33] Voice 1: weeks to figure out what projects we have that fit and make an application and we'll be taking

[0:05:40] Voice 1: that through the executive committee and we should if we're successful we'll know by the next trust

[0:05:45] Voice 1: council i'll leave it at that if there's any questions on the report i'll answer them very

[0:05:50] Voice 1: good thank

[0:05:50] Voice 22: you any questions from the director deb morrison and uh trustee alan

[0:05:59] Voice 22: oh

[0:06:00] Voice 10: thank you um just about the last thing you said um i'm wondering if there is the opportunity

[0:06:08] Voice 10: to explore um so on north pender for instance we had a question about just options for co-governance

[0:06:17] Voice 10: or what that might look like like i'm wondering if there's something to explore in a grant effort

[0:06:21] Voice 10: like that yeah

[0:06:25] Voice 1: there's three categories of on the grants one of them appears to be infrastructure

[0:06:29] Voice 1: structure, the other one appears to be education and working collaboratively, and the third

[0:06:36] Voice 1: one is on planning.

[0:06:38] Voice 1: So what I would suggest, if you've got those ideas, just send me an email and I'll work

[0:06:43] Voice 1: with the regional planning managers and CEO and Lisa and we'll figure out what's the best

[0:06:48] Voice 1: options to put forward.

[0:06:53] Voice 22: Thank you.

[0:06:54] Voice 22: Alex Allen.

[0:06:56] Trustee Allen (probable): Thank you, Terry.

[0:06:57] Trustee Allen (probable): I'm just wondering, regarding the legislative updates on the top of page 315, what was the reasoning behind the province allowing staff to issue development permits?

[0:07:09] Trustee Allen (probable): What was the reasoning behind that?

[0:07:15] Voice 1: Yeah, so in the Local Government Act, all local governments in BC, except for local trust meters,

[0:07:22] Voice 1: had the ability by bylaw to delegate the issuance of development permits to their staff.

[0:07:29] Voice 1: There are a lot of reasons for that—I won't go into them right now—but Trust Council,

[0:07:35] Voice 1: when it put together a list of items to request of the Minister, this was one of them, the

[0:07:41] Voice 1: ability to delegate those.

[0:07:43] Voice 1: The next step now is that we need to figure out, first of all, what the by-laws would

[0:07:49] Voice 1: look like and which local trust committees, if any, would like to do that delegation.

[0:07:54] Voice 1: So, that is not going to happen until next year.

[0:07:57] Voice 1: That actual provision does not come into force until probably early 2022.

[0:08:04] Trustee Allen (probable): Can I have a follow-up question?

[0:08:05] Trustee Allen (probable): Thank you.

[0:08:07] Voice 22: Dan Rogers?

[0:08:08] Trustee Allen (probable): Sorry, can I follow up?

[0:08:10] Voice 22: Oh, so, Alex Allen, you have a bit of a follow-up there?

[0:08:13] Trustee Allen (probable): Yes, just one little thing.

[0:08:15] Trustee Allen (probable): This is not going to be a requirement, per se, for local trust committees, if they do

[0:08:21] Trustee Allen (probable): not so desire at this point.

[0:08:26] Trustee Allen (probable): Alex Allen, we're having a hard time hearing you. Do you think you might speak up a bit?

[0:08:29] Trustee Allen (probable): I don't even know where my speaker is on this thing. No, I just wondered,

[0:08:33] Trustee Allen (probable): it's not a requirement for trust committees to do this, is it? Down the road? It's just an option

[0:08:42] Trustee Allen (probable): at this point?

[0:08:45] Voice 1: Yeah, it's optional, so it's up to the local trust committee. We will be taking a

[0:08:50] Voice 1: report to you through the executive committee on the options and some of the benefits to it i'll

[0:08:57] Voice 1: just point out that the whole point of this is to try and streamline and simplify the process

[0:09:02] Voice 1: a lot of you don't permit your you're having to issue them if they're consistent with the

[0:09:08] Voice 1: guidelines so the intent here is that you've established the policy the direction and the

[0:09:13] Voice 1: guidelines through public meetings and bylaws and then staff would essentially issue assuming

[0:09:20] Voice 1: that you have delegated would issue permits based on the guidelines. That creates a streamlined

[0:09:27] Voice 1: approach to doing it. It makes it quicker. It is more efficient, and we can reduce the cost.

[0:09:33] Voice 1: There will be built into the by-laws an ability to appeal to the Local Trust Committee if the

[0:09:39] Voice 1: landowner disagrees with the staff position. Dan Rogers

[0:09:44] Voice 8: But just on that topic, the changes to the Interpretation Act are going to further complicate and make that whole process of doing that,

[0:09:58] Voice 8: because there is going to be an appropriate but new consideration related to underwritten and Indigenous rights that are going to make it challenging to,

[0:10:09] Voice 8: and not not being maybe not choosing my but it's going to make it a process where other

[0:10:15] Voice 8: considerations are going to be come into play as well so i think local trust committees are going

[0:10:21] Voice 8: to have to be properly um advised and have that full information about what the impacts of that

[0:10:28] Voice 8: might be in terms of of delegating that authority if in the context of with the changes to the

[0:10:33] Voice 8: interpretation act yeah

[0:10:39] Voice 1: and if i may i i think uh the amendments interpretation i think the islands

[0:10:45] Voice 1: trust and the work that we're doing i think we're already ahead of that it's actually uh saying

[0:10:51] Voice 1: putting into the interpretation act literally what the arms trust is doing so whether or not

[0:10:56] Voice 1: that's there we would definitely have to consider reconciliation in all of our recommendations and

[0:11:02] Voice 1: all of our work so i do agree that it you know the interpretation like now has

[0:11:07] Voice 1: qualified it a bit more it's clarified it and essentially says everything that is in our

[0:11:13] Voice 1: legislation has to consider that the rights and titles it's the first nations so yeah i agree

[0:11:20] Voice 1: with you but i also think anne's trust is already doing this thank

[0:11:27] Voice 22: you um any other questions for

[0:11:30] Voice 22: the director otherwise we'll move along okay so let's move to 8.2.3 which is on page 359 of your

[0:11:40] Voice 22: agenda package this is amendments to trust council's policy regarding bylaw compliance

[0:11:44] Voice 22: and enforcement i want to welcome warren dingman manager by law enforcement uh for being here today

[0:11:52] Voice 22: and thank you for trying to join us yesterday um i'm glad we've got you on today's agenda warren

[0:11:57] Voice 22: dingman over to you morning

[0:12:06] Voice 25: chair and council uh the request for decision before you is regarding

[0:12:10] Voice 25: proposed amendments to trust council policy 551 by the compliance and enforcement uh the proposal

[0:12:17] Voice 25: is to amend the policy to allow offense act prosecutions when there are serious contraventions

[0:12:22] Voice 25: permit areas are the land use permits and the delegation of authority to cancel debt

[0:12:29] Voice 25: incurred from bylaw notices to staff currently well for offense act prosecutions your land use

[0:12:38] Voice 25: bylaws all have references to these prosecutions and they've always been an option for local trust

[0:12:44] Voice 25: committees to pursue when it comes to serious bylaw matters it's just that they've never been

[0:12:49] Voice 25: used before there's been no established policy so and part of one of the reasons to bring this

[0:12:56] Voice 25: this before you is we currently for development permit areas we don't have means to issue bylaw

[0:13:02] Voice 25: notices or any other tickets in order to deal with serious contraventions in those development

[0:13:09] Voice 25: permit areas and there are times when there's multiple parties involved in the work including

[0:13:14] Voice 25: contractors and with the current process that we've been using a filing notice of claim

[0:13:23] Voice 25: claim. That's been your principal tool to deal with property owners and get them to

[0:13:29] Voice 25: comply with permit conditions and get the permit that they're required for that development

[0:13:34] Voice 25: permit area. However, there are these other parties, contractors who may do work in serious

[0:13:39] Voice 25: damage and development permit areas, and they have not been subject to enforcement or any

[0:13:44] Voice 25: type of prosecution. So with the proposed amendments, we would put in place a set of

[0:13:52] Voice 25: policies and procedures to ensure that there's a process to be followed

[0:13:59] Voice 14: and

[0:14:00] Voice 25: put before local

[0:14:02] Voice 25: trust committees certain conditions and and really put before local trust committee a report

[0:14:08] Voice 25: before any prosecution proceeded right and ensure that they are for only serious land use permit

[0:14:15] Voice 25: contraventions and that they've been screened by our legal counsel in order to ensure success in

[0:14:23] Voice 25: in those prosecutions and that they are absolutely necessary

[0:14:26] Voice 25: and that there's no other options in order to proceed.

[0:14:33] Voice 25: And considering the strong mandate

[0:14:35] Voice 25: that UNICEF has for environmental protection,

[0:14:37] Voice 25: there are times when I believe it is necessary

[0:14:41] Voice 25: that these Paul Fentz Act prosecutions should proceed

[0:14:45] Voice 25: when work has been done in developed permit areas

[0:14:49] Voice 25: without the necessary permits.

[0:14:50] Voice 25: And with the financial aspects to this policy change, proposed change, it would still need

[0:14:58] Voice 25: to go before a local trust committee for approval, just like any court action, and it would have

[0:15:03] Voice 25: to go before the executive committee for approval of that funding for any legal action against

[0:15:11] Voice 25: those who have contravened your land use bylaws.

[0:15:13] Voice 25: laws. The second set of proposals before you is for the by-law notice debt and allowing staff to

[0:15:22] Voice 25: cancel that debt. The current system that we have under the Local Government By-law Notice Enforcement

[0:15:29] Voice 25: Act, it allows a screening officer, for example, to deal only with disputed by-law notices in order

[0:15:37] Voice 25: to cancel them or to arrange compliance agreements this proposal would allow trust council to

[0:15:45] Voice 25: delegate the authority to cancel certain fines uh delegate that to staff there may be circumstances

[0:15:53] Voice 25: where a community member property owner has complied with ultimately the land use bylaw

[0:16:02] Voice 25: and it's coming to compliance with permits

[0:16:05] Voice 25: and it may be reasonable to cancel their debt

[0:16:09] Voice 25: that they've incurred from a bylaw notice

[0:16:11] Voice 25: and would give us the ability to do that

[0:16:14] Voice 25: without going to the local trust committee in each circumstance

[0:16:18] Voice 25: and ask them to improve such a cancellation of the debt

[0:16:23] Voice 25: or take it before the executive committee.

[0:16:28] Voice 25: I think that is the best summary of the proposals before you.

[0:16:33] Voice 25: Do you have any questions?

[0:16:34] Voice 25: Thank

[0:16:35] Voice 22: you very much for that summary.

[0:16:38] Voice 22: Case Longerice has a question.

[0:16:40] Voice 22: Is there anybody else with questions?

[0:16:42] Voice 22: Please raise your hand.

[0:16:42] Voice 22: Lord Bache can ask you.

[0:16:47] Voice 7: Thank you for the report.

[0:16:49] Voice 7: I just had one point of clarification.

[0:16:51] Voice 7: So we've got the authority in our legislation to cancel a debt that exists.

[0:16:57] Voice 7: I was surprised about that.

[0:16:58] Voice 7: I know from work for the ministries, you can't forgive it.

[0:17:02] Voice 7: you have to through the financial administration act there's a lot of rules around that collection

[0:17:08] Voice 7: so i'm just a little bit surprised about that so

[0:17:14] Voice 25: i believe that we you do trust counsel you

[0:17:16] Voice 25: can delegate to staff member and this authority uh we have had it reviewed by legal counsel

[0:17:25] Voice 25: and that authority exists for you to do that uh i should note that with there's a lot of

[0:17:30] Voice 25: flexibility with bylaw notices that aren't available say with a municipal ticket information

[0:17:36] Voice 25: or that type of prosecution uh that may not be available in that circumstance like a municipal

[0:17:43] Voice 25: ticket uh there is no flexibility vote if that type of ticket is written it's really up to a

[0:17:50] Voice 25: judge to decide whether or not the offense occurred and probably whether or not the debt

[0:17:56] Voice 25: can be cancelled but with the byline notices there's increased flexibility to do that yeah

[0:18:02] Voice 25: if we can be just

[0:18:03] Voice 7: a follow-up question uh do we report this out in any way in terms of our

[0:18:08] Voice 7: financial statements for giving up a debt uh

[0:18:14] Voice 25: currently i don't know that we've done any

[0:18:15] Voice 25: financial reporting on the the uh monies collected from byline notices or any debts forgiven uh i

[0:18:22] Voice 25: believe i could in future put that into a trust council report in the semi-annual reports that

[0:18:27] Voice 25: come to trust council what i've been doing at this time is reporting the total number of

[0:18:31] Voice 25: file notices issued but not the uh the fine totals i was more interested in the debt waiving for the

[0:18:39] Voice 25: cancellation and the collection i could certainly include that in any future reports to trust

[0:18:45] Voice 25: council okay

[0:18:46] Voice 22: thank you laura beshaken and then steve wright um

[0:18:50] Voice 15: yeah and thanks for bringing

[0:18:51] Voice 15: this forward these both look like um good ways uh good efficiencies or tools a question about the uh

[0:19:00] Voice 15: debt collection if a um an islander wanted their felt their debt should be forgiven and it was

[0:19:09] Voice 15: delegated to staff and staff said no we don't think the debt should be forgiven is there if

[0:19:14] Voice 15: we went ahead with this would there be a way for that uh property owner to then go to the ltc and

[0:19:21] Voice 15: a kind of appeal process i

[0:19:25] Voice 14: believe yes they could still do that laura you have to yes i

[0:19:32] Voice 25: believe we would still if they still were concerned that they should have to pay this debt we could

[0:19:37] Voice 25: still afford it to the ltc and have them consider the matter if the director of local planning

[0:19:42] Voice 25: services and myself can't foresee a reason why it should be cancelled okay

[0:19:47] Voice 22: thank you steve wright

[0:19:49] Voice 2: uh thank you mr chair hello uh everybody i apologize for my absence over the last couple

[0:19:54] Voice 2: of days um i i i like this idea for the simple reason that i think that any contractor working

[0:20:01] Voice 2: on the island should be aware of the local bylaws and that they shouldn't profit by breaking them so

[0:20:08] Voice 2: um if we can uh sort of hang responsibility and not just on the owner but also under the people

[0:20:14] Voice 2: that are doing the work i think it's a benefit to the community and i fully support this thanks

[0:20:21] Voice 22: thank you steve sue ellen fast thank

[0:20:25] Voice 19: you i'd like to move the motion thank you that trust council

[0:20:28] Voice 19: adopt revised policy 5.5.1 bylaw enforcement compliance and enforcement as presented in

[0:20:35] Voice 19: attachment one thank

[0:20:37] Voice 22: you to have a second to jane wilmington any discussion further discussion is

[0:20:41] Voice 22: there any discussion on this uh uh policy amendment then i will call the vote all those in

[0:20:49] Voice 22: favor okay and

[0:20:54] Voice 14: screen that's good any opposed any opposed it

[0:21:04] Voice 22: looks like none opposed that carries

[0:21:05] Voice 22: unanimously thank you very much for your work uh warren dingman and um appreciate you bringing this

[0:21:14] Voice 22: to us so that concludes thank you council the local uh planning services section of our agenda

[0:21:21] Voice 22: and we are at 9 42 and so i'm going to continue on here now with trust area services

[0:21:26] Voice 22: services. The first item we have here is three items in the consent agenda that I would like

[0:21:34] Voice 22: to receive as presented. Certainly, the opportunity exists to ask staff directly offline if you

[0:21:44] Voice 22: have any questions. Is there any item here that you would like to discuss with council?

[0:21:49] Voice 22: The first three. I see Trustee Grove.

[0:21:57] Voice 26: 9.1.3.

[0:21:59] Voice 22: All right. Thank you. So then, if there's nothing further, then I will take it. Then the 9.11 and

[0:22:05] Voice 22: 1.2 be received as presented. And I will go to Trustee Grove for his question on 9.1.3.

[0:22:14] Voice 26: Thank you very much. I'm concerned about the policy statement.

[0:22:17] Voice 26: You

[0:22:18] Voice 22: will have to

[0:22:18] Voice 26: speak directly into the microphone.

[0:22:20] Voice 26: I'm concerned about the policy statement amendment project update.

[0:22:25] Voice 26: It looks very likely that we will unlikely to get a first reading this term.

[0:22:29] Voice 26: This has been confirmed to me from others.

[0:22:32] Voice 26: And I just think to be adding more work to this project without any hope of it being anywhere near complete this term, I think is throwing good money away.

[0:22:45] Voice 26: way. It's unfair to burden the new trustees coming in next term with this project, which

[0:22:52] Voice 26: they may or may not want to pursue. And in the meantime, we are spending money and using staff

[0:22:57] Voice 26: time inappropriately, I think. So that's my point. Thank you.

[0:23:02] Voice 22: All right. Thank you. And the director

[0:23:04] Voice 22: is going to provide some information in her director's report here. So a little ahead of

[0:23:11] Voice 22: that there but appreciate that remark thank you is there anything else on 9.1.3

[0:23:20] Voice 22: okay so then we will receive that for information uh as well so now let's go directly to 9.2

[0:23:27] Voice 22: and 9.2.1 is the trust area services director's report and uh i know she has lots of information

[0:23:34] Voice 22: to share with us and so please uh director freder thank you for joining us and thank you to your

[0:23:40] Voice 22: team for all of the exemplary work that you do for us over to you thank

[0:23:47] Voice 16: you very much and good

[0:23:48] Voice 16: morning trust council i'm very pleased to be with you this morning and i'll just give you a succinct

[0:23:53] Voice 16: summary of what's been going on um just initially want to say that we welcome two new team members

[0:23:59] Voice 16: to trust area services we've got julian nickel who's returned to us in a temporary assignment

[0:24:04] Voice 16: as a engagement planner until the end of march and also tara tedesco has joined us in the community

[0:24:10] Voice 16: communication specialist temporary role until the end of March. We are continuing to recruit

[0:24:16] Voice 16: for a communication specialist. We did have a competition, but we're unsuccessful in finding

[0:24:20] Voice 16: a qualified candidate. So we are moving forward with trying to identify an individual. I have

[0:24:26] Voice 16: the opportunity to appoint someone because it's less than seven months, but so far haven't

[0:24:31] Voice 16: identified a qualified candidate. So we continue that recruitment process. Also want to let you

[0:24:38] Voice 16: know that we have provided the annual report to the minister and this year we've taken a new

[0:24:44] Voice 16: approach to the publication where it looks more like a book and I think we'll do that more going

[0:24:48] Voice 16: forward. So I encourage you to take a look and share this with your communities as it's a nice

[0:24:52] Voice 16: way that we're accountable to communities about what the Amish Trust has done through the year.

[0:24:57] Voice 16: Also we have completed largely the website build and have now moved into the maintenance phase and

[0:25:03] Voice 16: have moved into a contract for maintenance with a new firm. So we continue to welcome and encourage

[0:25:09] Voice 16: feedback on the site it's an ongoing process of improvement and so please take a fresh look and

[0:25:14] Voice 16: if your communities have concerns about using it or some piece of the functionality please

[0:25:18] Voice 16: encourage them to send that feedback into web comments at islandstrust.bc.ca

[0:25:25] Voice 16: also in addition another highlight would be we are working hard on the trust programs

[0:25:31] Voice 16: committees living in the trust area mailing project so within this we're looking at sending

[0:25:36] Voice 16: and mailing to all new residents who have moved into the region perhaps as far back as about a

[0:25:40] Voice 16: year ago so that everyone could receive a letter explaining the island's trust and providing

[0:25:46] Voice 16: relevant materials that might be of use to a new resident within that package we're currently

[0:25:51] Voice 16: developing an island's trust brochure or rat card we would be providing some information on the

[0:25:56] Voice 16: conservancy we're looking at providing custom to each local trust area a list of frequently needed

[0:26:03] Voice 16: needed numbers so um primarily those that are not for island stressed although of course we provide

[0:26:07] Voice 16: our own but the ones that often new residents struggle to figure out the complexity of

[0:26:11] Voice 16: different jurisdictions this would provide that and we're contemplating whether to give a fridge

[0:26:15] Voice 16: magnet so put it right on your fridge as a new resident so we're working on that with the aim

[0:26:19] Voice 16: of doing the mailing by the by march is the goal so we could put the materials through trust

[0:26:23] Voice 16: programs committee for review in february so that's a big project involving multiple staff

[0:26:28] Voice 16: members providing advice um and we welcome if you want to be in touch with ideas please do reach out

[0:26:33] Voice 16: And finally, the dominant project of the term, in addition to reconciliation, but you'll be hearing from Ms. Will Cox in a little bit here, has been the policy statement project as we move through a procurement process to find a firm to assist with the next round of engagement.

[0:26:48] Voice 16: And I'm happy to announce that we have just this week completed that procurement process, and ISL Engineering and Land Services will be the firm working with us.

[0:26:58] Voice 16: we will have our kickoff meeting next week to finalize timelines and the approach with the

[0:27:03] Voice 16: aim of getting a engagement plan for approval to the executive committee no later than their

[0:27:08] Voice 16: january meeting possibly before so that's where we're at right now we're very pleased and looking

[0:27:14] Voice 16: forward to working with this firm to bring engagement to the islands and continue the

[0:27:19] Voice 16: conversations about the policy statement at this time we are not anticipating any first reading at

[0:27:25] Voice 16: march um so we would be looking beyond march for any you know possible consideration of first

[0:27:30] Voice 16: reading but we'll come back to the executive committee and council with an engagement plan

[0:27:35] Voice 16: that would identify options around moving to first reading i'm with that and i'll leave it at that

[0:27:41] Voice 16: um there's additional information in your written report but i'm happy to take questions

[0:27:47] Voice 22: are there any questions for the director um morrison and uh please put your hands up if

[0:27:58] Voice 22: If you do have any questions, so we can do this in an orderly fashion, Deb Morrison,

[0:28:02] Voice 22: go ahead.

[0:28:03] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:28:04] Voice 10: And if I may, I would just like to add a couple things related to the Trust Policy Statement

[0:28:09] Voice 10: project and the update that Claire has provided and the question actually from Trustee Grove.

[0:28:17] Voice 10: So the timeline that we had for that project was we were well notified, folks, last July

[0:28:25] Voice 10: that that timeline would be shifted given what happened in the July meeting.

[0:28:30] Voice 10: So not surprisingly, we are here in December with a radically shifted timeline.

[0:28:35] Voice 10: However, I would push back on what Trustee Grove said,

[0:28:39] Voice 10: that there isn't possible success to be had this term

[0:28:42] Voice 10: because there is progress that we can make.

[0:28:47] Voice 10: And I would encourage the executive committee

[0:28:50] Voice 10: to consider having the conversation around the trust policy statement

[0:28:56] Voice 10: to occur again in the Trust Programs Committee between now and March

[0:29:01] Voice 10: so that we can parallel the engagement process

[0:29:04] Voice 10: and continue conversations with trustees on that.

[0:29:07] Voice 10: Because I think we do have a lot of feedback from our communities.

[0:29:11] Voice 10: Many trustees, like they were asked in July through motion of council,

[0:29:16] Voice 10: have gone out and talked with their communities

[0:29:18] Voice 10: and do have a lot of feedback to provide into the process.

[0:29:24] Voice 10: So that can help move us forward

[0:29:26] Voice 10: and help get that project at least to first reading

[0:29:31] Voice 10: in a way that can see us in a good position.

[0:29:34] Voice 10: So I think I'll leave it there for now,

[0:29:37] Voice 10: but I do encourage that.

[0:29:38] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:29:41] Voice 22: Thank you very much, Deb.

[0:29:43] Voice 22: I don't see any other hands up here.

[0:29:47] Voice 22: And so thank you very much, Claire, for your report.

[0:29:50] Voice 22: And that's very good news of awarding the contract and appreciate that and really look forward to the work that's going to unfold.

[0:30:00] Voice 22: go now to 9.2.3 and perhaps ask the director to introduce lisa wilcox our senior intergovernmental

[0:30:06] Voice 22: liaison um

[0:30:10] Voice 16: so yes i'm happy to welcome lisa to speak to her report about the activities

[0:30:14] Voice 16: we've been undertaking through the reconciliation work um at in all in all departments of the trust

[0:30:19] Voice 17: and

[0:30:19] Voice 16: very glad to introduce her and want to acknowledge all the hard work that's been

[0:30:22] Voice 16: going on thank you lisa welcome

[0:30:26] Voice 22: lisa hi sketchy so good

[0:30:33] Voice 17: morning trustees it was just wonderful

[0:30:36] Voice 17: to have a meal with you the other day uh to do that work again to be in the room with you and um

[0:30:44] Voice 17: all of the trustees attending electronically we're just thinking of everyone out in community both in

[0:30:51] Voice 17: our first nations communities and here uh all around bc as things are happening with the

[0:30:58] Voice 17: emergency measures so really thinking about community is what i've been doing the last few

[0:31:03] Voice 17: days so it's really nice to connect with each of you again after such a long time and all that

[0:31:08] Voice 17: we've been through in our communities so i'm here today just to provide you with this short report

[0:31:15] Voice 17: on the engagement that's happened over the last quarter and just to seek your feedback on how you

[0:31:22] Voice 17: would like to understand and know about the engagement that's happening if this is the

[0:31:27] Voice 17: type of report that you'd like to receive in the future in this kind of format or if something else

[0:31:33] Voice 17: works better for you. So your input and feedback into how things are working and what you're

[0:31:40] Voice 17: experiencing out in your community is really important because you're there on the ground

[0:31:44] Voice 17: and I can learn from that and understand what's happening for you. So clearly over the last

[0:31:51] Voice 17: quarter we've been doing lots of work to engage both at the policy statement level and continuing

[0:31:57] Voice 17: continuing relationship building and those mutually respectful relationships that we need to build, both with First Nations and now we also are reaching out to Indigenous people that are living on the islands and trying to create that connection and understand concerns and work with them on engaging on these important matters to do with land use and the work that we do in reconciliation.

[0:32:22] Voice 17: reconciliation so you can see from this report just going through that we have been creating

[0:32:28] Voice 17: further intergovernmental relationships with ministries to improve communications

[0:32:34] Voice 17: around reconciliation work that runs in parallel with what the ministries are doing and what we

[0:32:42] Voice 17: are also doing we have reached out at ubcm and successfully met with minister rankin

[0:32:50] Voice 17: who then appointed executive director to assist us with the work that we're undertaking.

[0:32:56] Voice 17: And that's a really important aspect of what we're doing

[0:33:01] Voice 17: because First Nations have asked us to enter into certain types of agreements with them

[0:33:06] Voice 17: that reflect DRIPA and to also help further our reconciliation efforts.

[0:33:13] Voice 17: So having that connection with an executive director at MER who's appointed by the minister will really help.

[0:33:19] Voice 17: We have continued our relationship with the executive director appointed by the former minister of Flynnrow and supported by the minister, Minister Conroy, and have had really successful meetings around the redrafting of our Crown land agreements, and also improving communications between both the Islands Trust and different ministry levels at Flynnrow,

[0:33:46] Voice 17: And also in regards to understanding more clearly our relationships with First Nations.

[0:33:54] Voice 17: So those are other important meetings that we've been having.

[0:33:57] Voice 17: Also working with the newly appointed staff at the CRD, who also are doing a similar role to myself.

[0:34:06] Voice 17: and also working with what's called a network of other staff

[0:34:13] Voice 17: that are in this role called the community of practice.

[0:34:16] Voice 17: So that's another group that just learning from each other

[0:34:20] Voice 17: about how to move forward in a good way.

[0:34:24] Voice 17: So obviously one of the really exciting aspects of what we're doing

[0:34:28] Voice 17: has been to work within Lewatosh

[0:34:32] Voice 17: and that is an economic development arm of Tsleil-Waututh First Nation

[0:34:37] Voice 17: on the heritage preservation overlay.

[0:34:41] Voice 17: So they have created some draft reports for us to review

[0:34:45] Voice 17: and the team is just working to review those now and refine them

[0:34:50] Voice 17: and hopefully we should be able to present those to you at March Trust Council.

[0:34:54] Voice 17: When I talked to them the other day,

[0:34:56] Voice 17: they were talking about how they were creating mapping

[0:34:59] Voice 17: with all of the different place names

[0:35:01] Voice 17: and gathering all of the public information that's out there but that is relevant to the

[0:35:06] Voice 17: Islands Trust area in regards to our connections with First Nations so that was just really

[0:35:12] Voice 17: exciting to think that we would have place name mapping added into our tapas systems

[0:35:18] Voice 17: so and also we have been as with the feedback from the policy statement there was a lot of

[0:35:25] Voice 17: a comment about connecting with Indigenous people on the islands so I have been focusing on that to

[0:35:31] Voice 17: ensure that we're doing that in a good way and reaching out to people to try to create those

[0:35:37] Voice 17: connections and it has been difficult with COVID so we are trying to do different things and adjust

[0:35:43] Voice 17: and be flexible to how we're reaching out to create those understandings with Indigenous people

[0:35:49] Voice 17: that are living on the islands who may not be necessarily band members of First Nations so

[0:35:55] Voice 17: So and I know you've been leading and doing good work about the policy statement with your community members.

[0:36:01] Voice 17: So it'd be wonderful for me to connect with you and hear what your feedback is and some of the concerns that your community members raise so that I can incorporate that into our engagement and work that we're doing with nations.

[0:36:13] Voice 17: So hopefully that gives you an overview of some of the important work I've listed out, different meetings that have happened.

[0:36:20] Voice 17: And if that's a helpful form of information for you,

[0:36:23] Voice 17: then just let me know and I'll continue doing that.

[0:36:27] Voice 17: Our team, Claire, Russ, myself, David,

[0:36:31] Voice 17: have all been working to refine

[0:36:33] Voice 17: how we're doing correspondence,

[0:36:35] Voice 17: how we're engaging and being responsive to First Nations

[0:36:39] Voice 17: when we receive information from them,

[0:36:41] Voice 17: and also how to ensure that we're being more transparent

[0:36:45] Voice 17: and responsive in the information that we're receiving

[0:36:48] Voice 17: and how we would disseminate that information out to the public and also how we can ensure that trustees are involved in meetings and working on this important work of engagement and relationship building.

[0:37:00] Voice 17: So those are all things that we're now starting to turn our minds to so that we can come back to you in March with a report and talk to you about how to go forward with that in a way that works for you.

[0:37:13] Voice 17: you. So

[0:37:15] Voice 22: thank you very much, Lisa, for your good work. I just want to say, before I go to any

[0:37:25] Voice 22: questions, I just want to say that certainly there are advances in our relationships with First

[0:37:31] Voice 22: Nations, and I'm grateful for that. I won't speak to them specifically because it's a work in

[0:37:35] Voice 22: progress. But what I do want to acknowledge and celebrate, in fact, is the advocacy work that

[0:37:42] Voice 22: the council has done and and and developed through staff the executive committee with the ministries

[0:37:48] Voice 22: has really built significant relationships with our ministries and in fact the the uh the provision

[0:37:54] Voice 22: of an executive uh director to work with lisa is significant and this is uh welcome and advanced

[0:38:03] Voice 22: is not only our work but the work of the province and it's a terrific and so i want to thank lisa

[0:38:07] Voice 22: for all that she does for us in such a wonderful way.

[0:38:12] Voice 22: So, Council, I see Deb Morrison has a question.

[0:38:14] Voice 22: Is there anybody else that has any questions?

[0:38:17] Voice 22: Dan Rogers.

[0:38:19] Voice 10: I want to take a moment, too, just to say a really enormous thank you

[0:38:24] Voice 10: for the work that you've done in helping us as trustees

[0:38:28] Voice 10: understand and build relationships and expand our own learning in this space

[0:38:34] Voice 10: and also helping us think and work with communities in new ways

[0:38:39] Voice 10: because there are a lot of tensions, I think, in our communities

[0:38:42] Voice 10: as we make these transitions

[0:38:44] Voice 10: and as we think about what reconciliation really means on the ground.

[0:38:48] Voice 10: And I know that there is a lot of fear in my own community and other places,

[0:38:53] Voice 10: but there's also an enormous amount of hope and potential.

[0:38:57] Voice 10: And so I really want to thank you for your work in this space

[0:39:00] Voice 10: and for like sticking with us

[0:39:02] Voice 10: when we can be an unruly crowd sometimes.

[0:39:05] Voice 10: So thank you very much.

[0:39:06] Voice 10: And also just to acknowledge the extensive grace,

[0:39:12] Voice 10: I want to say, that First Nations have with us

[0:39:15] Voice 10: for being able to rebuild relationships

[0:39:18] Voice 10: that have been historically broken.

[0:39:20] Voice 10: So thank you for that.

[0:39:22] Voice 22: Thank you, Deb.

[0:39:23] Voice 22: Dan Rogers.

[0:39:26] Voice 8: Thanks, Trustee Morrison.

[0:39:28] Voice 8: It's tough to follow.

[0:39:30] Voice 8: actually I have more of a question for you

[0:39:33] Voice 8: thank you for your update on the heritage cultural mapping

[0:39:36] Voice 8: I think it's a very significant project

[0:39:39] Voice 8: the trust that's going to be taking on

[0:39:42] Voice 8: can you just give me if you know

[0:39:44] Voice 8: and maybe you're the wrong person to ask

[0:39:46] Voice 8: you told us there'll be sort of an update perhaps in March

[0:39:50] Voice 8: but what's the time frame

[0:39:53] Voice 8: overall of that project or do you know

[0:39:55] Voice 8: I know it's funded extensively for next

[0:39:59] Voice 8: year. I'm just sort of interested to sort of, you know, where we're going to be in a year and a half

[0:40:05] Voice 8: from now with that project, which I can see being really a real advance in our reconciliation work,

[0:40:12] Voice 8: et cetera.

[0:40:18] Voice 17: Yeah, thank you so much for the question. It will be hard to determine how

[0:40:22] Voice 17: nations would like to engage with us and what form they'd like to engage with us, and Leibniz

[0:40:29] Voice 17: Tosh will be assisting us with that work. So that will be something that will help determine the

[0:40:35] Voice 17: timeline. But as we move forward, we'll also be working on refining our own internal processes

[0:40:42] Voice 17: to be more reflective of the changing landscape that's happening. So as David was mentioning with

[0:40:48] Voice 17: the Interpretation Act and other acts that come forward and legislation and work, we will have to

[0:40:55] Voice 17: be flexible and understanding of how to adjust to that so with the cultural heritage overlay i think

[0:41:02] Voice 17: it creates certainty for applicants and it also creates certainty for our own staff in being able

[0:41:08] Voice 17: to understand and follow a process that would allow them to feel positive that they're following

[0:41:14] Voice 17: rules that nations have set out as the values and guidelines that they would like to see within any

[0:41:21] Voice 17: kind of decision within the islands trust uh applications so hopefully we would be able to

[0:41:29] Voice 17: work within lewatos by providing those both an external report to the public and also an

[0:41:34] Voice 17: internal report on for staff in march and then we'd be able to start moving forward with the mapping

[0:41:41] Voice 17: and with the engagement with nations and um but i don't want to just say exactly when that would

[0:41:48] Voice 17: happen until we begin that process of talking with nations and uh getting their feedback

[0:41:55] Voice 22: okay thank you uh grant scott and then perhaps we'll move on

[0:41:58] Voice 22: thank you thank

[0:42:00] Voice 3: you lisa i just

[0:42:01] Voice 3: want to say how important it is when you have come to the uh for me ltc um the way you speak

[0:42:09] Voice 3: the way you deal with issues you make these incredibly complicated things to our island

[0:42:14] Voice 3: you say them in a way that are positive and you give people on the island hope that we can find

[0:42:18] Voice 3: solutions so i just want to thank you for that i just want to say to the staff behind me here

[0:42:23] Voice 3: we need three more leases thanks lisa thank

[0:42:29] Voice 22: you grant okay again thank you very much lisa

[0:42:32] Voice 22: for joining us today and thank you claire um the next item on our agenda is down so

[0:42:38] Voice 22: conservancy report and indeed um this is a joyful work of the of the preservation and protection of

[0:42:45] Voice 22: lands of the Niles Trust. And so I'd like to turn to the Chair of the Conservancy, I think,

[0:42:50] Voice 22: to open this up. And then we have a couple of requests for decisions regarding

[0:42:55] Voice 22: NAPTEP. So thank you. Over to you, Chair.

[0:42:58] Voice 18: Thank you, Chair. Welcome. The ITC has been very busy

[0:43:02] Voice 18: as it comes out of the summer field season. It was quite successful this year. There's been an

[0:43:08] Voice 18: increasing interest in conservation opportunities. And we've got, anecdotally, we have an increasing

[0:43:15] Voice 18: amount of queries about conservation opportunities from community members.

[0:43:20] Voice 18: We continue to process several covenants, the NAPTEP documents you see before you.

[0:43:28] Voice 18: There's reserve transfers that continue to require work, and you'll notice that as we

[0:43:36] Voice 18: move through the term, there's a significant complexity involved with processing this type

[0:43:44] Voice 18: of legal documentation as it all often involves several different sponsors as well as receivers

[0:43:54] Voice 18: we have hired a temporary part-time communications person carmen smith started a couple weeks ago

[0:44:01] Voice 18: under our covenant monitoring we've completed the annuals monitoring we get some very detailed

[0:44:08] Voice 18: reports about our public conservation covenants and nature

[0:44:12] Voice 18: reserves, as well as we do have an in-camera

[0:44:16] Voice 18: private covenant report as well. So we visit every single

[0:44:20] Voice 18: property every year. Part of the

[0:44:25] Voice 18: benefit of having the SAR grant money is

[0:44:29] Voice 18: that the staff are able to do a lot of

[0:44:33] Voice 18: that property management work on a more detailed level and do the

[0:44:37] Voice 18: the type of work that they'd hoped to be able to do but never had the funding or the staffing

[0:44:41] Voice 18: to do.

[0:44:42] Voice 18: So there's been work on invasive species impacts, including parrot's feather mitigation projects,

[0:44:49] Voice 18: bullfrog and of course those sheep, not mentioning any island in particular.

[0:44:57] Voice 18: So that's been really encouraging for our staff.

[0:45:01] Voice 18: Yeah. In the communications department, you'll see that the HERA newsletter is coming more frequently.

[0:45:07] Voice 18: It was a wonderful article about previous trustee Louise Bell and her impact on the trust and Islands Conservation as a whole.

[0:45:18] Voice 18: And we are doing more active promotion for estate planning by joining into willpower.ca

[0:45:27] Voice 18: and also reaching out to estate planner professionals

[0:45:31] Voice 18: and the relationship they can have with the ITC.

[0:45:36] Voice 18: If there's any questions from the report specifically,

[0:45:41] Voice 18: I'm sure myself or Manager Emmings would be happy to answer them.

[0:45:46] Voice 22: Any questions from the report?

[0:45:49] Voice 22: Not seeing any.

[0:45:51] Voice 22: Thank you very much for you and your board's amazing work that you do

[0:45:56] Voice 22: in preserving and protecting the trust area.

[0:45:58] Voice 22: and shall we move on to the uh nap tip coming oh deb morrison sorry i didn't see your hand up sorry

[0:46:05] Voice 10: just one quick comment um i just did want to thank the conservancy staff because when they

[0:46:10] Voice 10: the on island visits that they've come and done i really appreciated them reaching out to the local

[0:46:15] Voice 10: trustees to have us come and walk the properties with them that was excellent thank you yeah that

[0:46:20] Voice 18: is something that we've really pushed that they always let local trustees know sometimes i wish

[0:46:26] Voice 18: they wouldn't ask because gambier is very steep okay

[0:46:31] Voice 22: great so we have three more items in this

[0:46:35] Voice 22: section of the agenda and it would be terrific if we could get these uh completed before we go to

[0:46:39] Voice 22: the break so uh uh kate louis stanford chair of the uh the conservancy um can i turn that over

[0:46:46] Voice 22: to you to those items so we prefer to defer to staff 9.2.5 page 480.

[0:46:59] Voice 18: our first request for

[0:47:02] Voice 18: decision is the night hawk hill expansion nap tip certificate for north pender island and

[0:47:11] Voice 18: i move that the uh trust council

[0:47:21] Voice 18: expand the existing conservation covenant on north pender island registered in 2012 by ex

[0:47:26] Voice 18: yeah where's the the whole thing

[0:47:31] Voice 22: it's also right on your agenda page i

[0:47:34] Voice 18: was hoping to get a nice

[0:47:35] Voice 18: short one oh the

[0:47:37] Voice 18: islands sorry i

[0:47:39] Voice 18: move the islands trust council approves the amendment of nap tip

[0:47:42] Voice 18: certificate for the covenant portion of the property described as pid double zero one zero

[0:47:48] Voice 18: eight one one one zero lot 38 section seven pender island couch and district plan three two two six

[0:47:55] Voice 18: one excerpt except part in plan three five three three three to extend the certificate to cover

[0:48:02] Voice 18: the increased protection area and reference the registration number of the new conservation

[0:48:06] Voice 18: covenant and survey the plan that will be registered so yeah

[0:48:10] Voice 22: seconder deb morrison

[0:48:14] Voice 22: joyfully seconding thank you wish

[0:48:16] Voice 18: to speak to

[0:48:16] Voice 22: the motion i think it's quite clear it is quite clear

[0:48:22] Voice 22: thank you very much so therefore i'll just ask is there any discussion on this so let us call for

[0:48:30] Voice 22: the vote then all those in favor

[0:48:31] Voice 14: and any opposed any

[0:48:39] Voice 22: opposed i see a few hands lingering and there

[0:48:44] Voice 22: are none opposed that carries unanimously uh thank you very much council um and back to the chair

[0:48:52] Voice 18: i moved that the island's first council requested secretary to issue a new nap tap certificate for

[0:48:56] Voice 18: the covenant portion of the property described as pib double zero one zero eight one one one

[0:49:02] Voice 18: zero lot 38 section seven vendor island couch and district plan three two two six one except part

[0:49:10] Voice 18: no no this is the second part to it i'd rather do them all together because they're very

[0:49:17] Voice 18: administrative in nature so next time i'll do them together

[0:49:21] Voice 18: to reflect the approved amendments subject to registration of a conservation covenant

[0:49:26] Voice 18: and completion of a baseline inventory report

[0:49:29] Voice 18: consistent with the standards developed for NAPTEP.

[0:49:33] Voice 22: Seconded?

[0:49:35] Voice 22: Moved and seconded again by Deb Morrison.

[0:49:38] Voice 22: Yes, to speak to it all?

[0:49:40] Voice 22: No? Okay.

[0:49:42] Voice 22: Anything? Discussion?

[0:49:44] Voice 22: All those in favor?

[0:49:45] Voice 22: Any opposed?

[0:49:49] Voice 22: There are none opposed, and that carries unanimously.

[0:49:52] Voice 22: Thank you. Back to you, Chair.

[0:49:54] Voice 22: Okay, just getting down there.

[0:49:59] Voice 18: So this one is the Livingston Forest

[0:50:01] Voice 18: Naptip Certificate for Luskete Island.

[0:50:04] Voice 18: I move that the Islands Trust Council

[0:50:06] Voice 18: request the Secretary issue

[0:50:08] Voice 18: a Natural Area Protection Tax Exemption Certificate

[0:50:11] Voice 18: for the covenanted portion of the property

[0:50:13] Voice 18: described as PID 000-009-474,

[0:50:18] Voice 18: the west half of the southeast quarter of Section 21,

[0:50:22] Voice 18: Luskete Island and Imo District,

[0:50:24] Voice 18: except parts and plans 17116 and 30313 subject to registration of a conservation covenant

[0:50:32] Voice 18: and a completion of a baseline inventory report consistent with the standards developed for

[0:50:38] Voice 22: NAPTEC. Moved seconded by Doug Fenton and is there any discussion?

[0:50:45] Voice 18: Actually I would like to mention

[0:50:46] Voice 18: very quickly that

[0:50:49] Voice 18: this is

[0:50:50] Voice 18: a NAPTEC covenant. It's been a long

[0:50:53] Voice 18: time in

[0:50:55] Voice 18: discussions and negotiations

[0:50:57] Voice 18: from a great supporter

[0:50:59] Voice 18: of the Islands

[0:51:01] Voice 18: Trust and has done a lot of work with

[0:51:03] Voice 18: the Islands Trust Conservancy, and that's Doug

[0:51:05] Voice 18: Huffman.

[0:51:06] Voice 22: Indeed. Thank you

[0:51:08] Voice 22: very much for that comment.

[0:51:10] Voice 22: Any discussion?

[0:51:12] Voice 22: No? So then I'll call the vote.

[0:51:14] Voice 22: All those in favour? Any

[0:51:17] Voice 22: any opposed? And there are none opposed, and that carries unanimously. I just want to note,

[0:51:25] Voice 22: you know, as you all know, I'm a bit of a stickler for reading out the motions,

[0:51:29] Voice 22: because it's important for the public to hear what is happening. But, you know, in these cases

[0:51:34] Voice 22: where people, there's families and people that have made a lot of effort to get to this place,

[0:51:40] Voice 22: and quite honestly, if I was sitting there and I heard that it was done, I would be celebrating,

[0:51:45] Voice 22: And it is a celebration for us also.

[0:51:47] Voice 22: So thank you very much for that.

[0:51:49] Voice 22: And so Trust Council 9.27 is our next item,

[0:51:54] Voice 22: Restatement of the Honest Trust Community Stewardship Awards Program.

[0:51:58] Voice 22: And perhaps between the director and the chair of the Trust Programs Committee,

[0:52:02] Voice 22: you'd like to introduce that item as you see fit.

[0:52:10] Voice 16: I'm happy to begin, and I can pass it over if the chair would like to add

[0:52:13] Voice 16: supplementary comments.

[0:52:14] Voice 16: um so uh trust council had decided to suspend the community stewardship award program and had

[0:52:21] Voice 16: asked staff or fast trust programs committee to return with a recommendation for this december

[0:52:25] Voice 16: so um this you have before you with a recommendation from trust programs committee

[0:52:30] Voice 16: which is to reinstate the community stewardship awards beginning in january of 2022 and then a

[0:52:36] Voice 16: second recommendation which is to change the policy such that the policy instead of being

[0:52:41] Voice 16: offered every two years would only be offered in the final year of the term so that is the

[0:52:46] Voice 16: recommendation you have along with a proposed amended policy if we were asked to assess to

[0:52:52] Voice 16: reinstate the program in january we would be getting with advertising with nominations

[0:52:56] Voice 16: expected in april and then any recommendations from trust programs committee would come to you

[0:53:02] Voice 16: in june of next year i understand the rationale from trust programs committee was such that they

[0:53:08] Voice 16: They felt that offering it once a year would allow for potentially a bigger pool of nominations

[0:53:13] Voice 16: at one time, would reduce administrative time needed to administer the program, and also

[0:53:19] Voice 16: that trustees by the final year of the term are well familiar with their role as trustees

[0:53:23] Voice 16: and their community needs and the potential projects in the area.

[0:53:28] Voice 16: So with that, I'll pass it back.

[0:53:32] Voice 10: And I'm going to actually ask if Tim Peterson wants to speak to this at all, because I was

[0:53:37] Voice 10: actually not able to make a meeting where this particular motion was discussed so tim do you

[0:53:42] Voice 10: want to speak at all to this yeah

[0:53:46] Voice 6: thank you chair uh i think i mean claire's covered it fairly well

[0:53:50] Voice 6: but uh you know the rationale um uh that we think this is an important uh program uh to recognize

[0:53:59] Voice 6: those people who are doing you know the exceptional work in the trust area and furthering the object

[0:54:05] Voice 6: And, yeah, transitioning to once a term seemed to make sense in terms of efficiency, lowering the financial cost of this, and perhaps even making it a tiny bit more special.

[0:54:19] Voice 6: So, yeah, I think the committee felt this is a good way to go.

[0:54:27] Voice 22: Thank you.

[0:54:29] Voice 22: Chair Morrison, do you want to make a motion?

[0:54:31] Voice 10: I will do that.

[0:54:32] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:54:33] Voice 10: um i move that the islands trust council reinstate the community stewardship awards program beginning

[0:54:39] Voice 10: january 2022.

[0:54:42] Voice 22: move to have a second there jane wolverton over there thank you um is there any

[0:54:47] Voice 22: discussion i

[0:54:49] Voice 10: i would just like to add to this that i um i do agree with this we have discussed this

[0:54:54] Voice 10: on and off over the last um year or two inside the trust programs committee as it's come up

[0:54:59] Voice 10: and I think this is a really good solution, given all the conversation that's gone on here today.

[0:55:05] Voice 10: Thank you very

[0:55:07] Voice 22: much, Deb. If there's no further discussion, then I'm going to go to the vote.

[0:55:12] Voice 22: All those in favour? Any opposed? I'm seeing none opposed, and so that carries. Thank you very much.

[0:55:21] Voice 22: Back to you for the second motion.

[0:55:24] Voice 10: I move that the Islands Trust Council amend the

[0:55:27] Voice 10: administration of the community stewardship awards program policy 2.1.11 to clarify that

[0:55:33] Voice 10: the program will now be offered in the final year of each term so

[0:55:38] Voice 22: moved you wish to speak to that

[0:55:39] Voice 22: motion i

[0:55:41] Voice 10: think the the key here is really that you know focusing it once every four years allows us

[0:55:47] Voice 10: to get a larger pool of people to really highlight in our communities who these amazing folks are

[0:55:53] Voice 10: But again, as the director has pointed out and Tim has pointed out, that it really helps trustees know their communities very well, especially new trustees, to be able to get that word out into community.

[0:56:05] Voice 10: So thank you.

[0:56:06] Voice 22: Thank you very much, Deb.

[0:56:07] Voice 22: Are there any, is there any discussion, any questions?

[0:56:11] Voice 22: Oh, did I not ask for a second?

[0:56:13] Voice 22: Sorry.

[0:56:13] Voice 22: No, I thought I did.

[0:56:14] Voice 22: But anyway, Doug, Jane Wolfen seconded.

[0:56:18] Voice 22: Perfect.

[0:56:18] Voice 22: Thank you.

[0:56:20] Voice 22: Any discussion?

[0:56:22] Voice 22: Okay.

[0:56:23] Voice 22: Okay. So then let us call the vote. All those in favour? Any opposed? Okay. Not seeing any

[0:56:33] Voice 22: opposed. That carries. Council, thank you very much. Brilliant. At 10.17, we've achieved a

[0:56:39] Voice 22: significant portion of our agenda that we hadn't accomplished before. So let's, one, just tell the

[0:56:46] Voice 22: public that you haven't missed anything with regards to the budget. We wanted to conduct

[0:56:50] Voice 22: other business, to be sure that we protected that space at 10.30 when you were expecting

[0:56:58] Voice 22: us to return from in-camera. We returned from in-camera early. When we return from our break

[0:57:04] Voice 22: here now, we are going to continue on with the budget discussions, and then we'll wrap up the

[0:57:09] Voice 22: remaining items on our agenda. I really appreciate the efforts of council today to get us to this

[0:57:15] Voice 22: point thank you and

[0:57:22] Voice 14: 15 minutes

[0:57:23] Voice 22: for those on the line

[0:57:26] Voice 14: so

[0:57:29] Voice 22: you guys might want to check out of your

[0:57:32] Voice 14: rooms

[1:08:55] Voice 22: okay council here we are i need uh i need 12 people sitting at the table and mark van

[1:09:02] Voice 22: bekel you have something yeah

[1:09:04] Voice 27: peter um we've noticed that um our email access has dropped

[1:09:10] Voice 27: on the the hotel network and we're working to get it reinstated if you have a data stick or

[1:09:18] Voice 27: a wi-fi stick i'd recommend using that until we get this sorted out well

[1:09:22] Voice 22: that's okay because

[1:09:23] Voice 22: i would recommend you pay full attention to the meeting and don't worry about your email

[1:09:28] Voice 22: Okay. I need people sitting at the table so we can begin, and we've got a number of people

[1:09:35] Voice 22: online, so we are going to begin. Quite honestly, I don't know where we left off, except that

[1:09:42] Voice 22: we had amended the budget somewhat. I think there was one addition and two others that

[1:09:49] Voice 22: were less than successful. I'm going to reach out to council to ask you, do you want to

[1:09:58] Voice 22: provide us a synopsis of where we're at, Director Mobs, or shall we just go straight to any further

[1:10:06] Voice 22: amendments?

[1:10:09] Voice 4: I think the only thing I will say is that we started yesterday's session with a draft

[1:10:13] Voice 4: budget that had a local trust area tax increase of 4.6 percent. Yes. With the re-edition of the

[1:10:20] Voice 4: Hornby Island OCP review, we're now at 4.8 percent.

[1:10:24] Voice 22: Excellent. Thank you. Good information.

[1:10:25] Voice 22: Council, what is your pleasure? Please raise your hand if you have anything you would like

[1:10:32] Voice 22: to advance. I'm going to recognize Jane Woolverton. Anybody else, your hand up so I can anticipate

[1:10:40] Voice 22: what further activities. Okay, Jane Woolverton, over to you.

[1:10:46] Voice 12: Okay, so this is on page 165 of our package, and it's regarding the Climate Indicators

[1:10:54] Voice 12: project. And I would like to move that the climate indicators project for 25,000 be included in the

[1:11:01] Voice 12: Islands Trust 2022-2023 draft budget. All

[1:11:06] Voice 14: right. Thank

[1:11:17] Voice 22: you. So thank you. We're just going to get

[1:11:20] Voice 22: Lori to put that up on the screen. I have a seconder with Deb Morrison. I think it's reasonably

[1:11:27] Voice 22: self-explanatory. Thank you for pointing us to the right page in the agenda package, 165.

[1:11:33] Voice 22: I'll ask counsel, or I'm going to ask Jane Wolverton to speak to the motion.

[1:11:41] Voice 12: I think it's pretty clear in the business case that's been made.

[1:11:46] Voice 12: So rather than take time, I'll just defer to that.

[1:11:51] Voice 22: Thank you very much, Jane.

[1:11:57] Voice 22: Yeah, the business case, short-form business case is on page 165.

[1:12:01] Voice 22: Is there any other discussion?

[1:12:04] Voice 22: Dan Rogers.

[1:12:08] Voice 8: Yeah, thanks.

[1:12:09] Voice 8: Thanks. I think it's, I feel it's incumbent on me to explain why it was suggested to be removed.

[1:12:18] Voice 8: You may recall that when we put it in the budget last year, it was in anticipation that

[1:12:28] Voice 8: we would have a partner that we would do this work with. There was a proposal from

[1:12:32] Voice 8: a group from the mainland, I think it was My Sea to Sky, in partnership with a bunch of other

[1:12:37] Voice 8: people and we were going to be a part of that um i don't think it was never anticipated or

[1:12:44] Voice 8: understood that we would be able to do any quote and i don't i hate to use this word but sort of

[1:12:49] Voice 8: fulsome i'll use the word fulsome as opposed to meaningful but full some work on the budget that's

[1:12:55] Voice 8: been um provided by uh by the trust council uh that partnership did not occur um and uh

[1:13:04] Voice 8: the discussion at the Financial Planning Committee

[1:13:08] Voice 8: in cooperation with the Director of Trust Area Services

[1:13:12] Voice 8: was there was no partnership on the horizon

[1:13:16] Voice 8: that we could see coming forward.

[1:13:19] Voice 8: And there was a concern that the type of work

[1:13:21] Voice 8: that we were talking about doing here

[1:13:23] Voice 8: was not going to be doable for the amount of money

[1:13:26] Voice 8: that had been put in the budget.

[1:13:28] Voice 8: So that was the reason why it felt that

[1:13:31] Voice 8: if we were going to remove anything

[1:13:33] Voice 8: anything from the trust area services about the proposals, this was the one that probably

[1:13:38] Voice 8: could be let go because it wasn't clear that we had a way forward without a meaningful

[1:13:45] Voice 8: and substantial partner.

[1:13:47] Voice 8: I don't ever want to speak against taking concrete action on climate change, and I regret

[1:13:55] Voice 8: it.

[1:13:55] Voice 8: In fact, as we actually said in the meeting, it's a shame that Trustee Morrison wasn't

[1:14:00] Voice 8: there to sort of provide her her high level wisdom about about these types of issues

[1:14:04] Voice 8: but that was the rationale that was why financial planning committee uh removed it from the budget

[1:14:11] Voice 8: and i was supportive of that at that time uh but i guess i'd be interested to hear any other

[1:14:17] Voice 8: discussion or comments

[1:14:20] Voice 22: thank you dan um deb morrison on the motion thank

[1:14:25] Voice 10: you um so i'm

[1:14:28] Voice 10: going to paint a picture of next year where there is a past version of some trust policy statement

[1:14:33] Voice 10: there is a new council in play and we are going to actively have full staffing and we are going

[1:14:40] Voice 10: to actively seek to engage in this work and then we don't have the money so i would like to have

[1:14:46] Voice 10: this back in there so that we can have it as an option as we go forward um i am always the one

[1:14:52] Voice 10: to try and make sure that we are not over budget.

[1:14:56] Voice 10: I don't like going over budget.

[1:14:58] Voice 10: However, I also want us to consider

[1:15:00] Voice 10: that as we roll into the next fiscal year,

[1:15:04] Voice 10: we are not fully staffed.

[1:15:07] Voice 10: There are a number of things

[1:15:09] Voice 10: where we are likely to have financial savings.

[1:15:12] Voice 10: And I think we have to be a little bit proactive

[1:15:15] Voice 10: when it comes to some of the things

[1:15:17] Voice 10: that are going to help us implement

[1:15:19] Voice 10: the things we're hoping to see.

[1:15:20] Voice 10: So I am super in favor of this.

[1:15:24] Voice 22: Thank you very much, Deb Morrison.

[1:15:26] Voice 22: Trustee Peter Gross, Spring Island.

[1:15:30] Voice 26: Thank you very much.

[1:15:31] Voice 26: It would be very helpful to know what else is coming down the road,

[1:15:34] Voice 26: because, I mean, one could approve something like this,

[1:15:37] Voice 26: but then regret it if there are other requests coming down.

[1:15:42] Voice 26: We're coming frighteningly close to 5%,

[1:15:45] Voice 26: and I can assure you that our constituents

[1:15:48] Voice 26: constituents would be very dissatisfied with our performance if we're coming with this kind of

[1:15:55] Voice 26: of an increase um so uh and there are people who are seriously suffering on on our islands um and

[1:16:02] Voice 26: financially that is and uh it's just appalling to my mind that we would be seeking a five percent

[1:16:09] Voice 26: increase bearing in mind the capital regional districts seem to have been

[1:16:13] Voice 26: rather more responsible in their asks.

[1:16:15] Voice 26: In any event, before we can

[1:16:17] Voice 26: press on with this, or for me

[1:16:19] Voice 26: to press on, I need to know what else is coming

[1:16:21] Voice 26: down the road in people's wishes. Thanks.

[1:16:27] Voice 22: Thank you, Peter. That's a little hard

[1:16:28] Voice 22: to predict, but on the motion.

[1:16:33] Voice 19: Thanks. I'd like to speak in favour

[1:16:34] Voice 19: of the motion.

[1:16:36] Voice 19: Peter mentioned in...

[1:16:38] Voice 19: Well, Trustee Grove mentioned

[1:16:40] Voice 19: hardships, and I think we've

[1:16:42] Voice 19: just been through a period beginning

[1:16:44] Voice 19: for the whole year... Oops, sorry.

[1:16:48] Voice 19: With...

[1:16:49] Voice 19: The heat dome, which was unexpected, and the flooding, and landslides, and road washouts, and communications interruptions, and supply chain interruptions, and all can go on and on.

[1:17:03] Voice 19: So all of these things are also hardships, and I think we should be acting to proactively mitigate these hardships by watching what's happening on our island.

[1:17:14] Voice 19: So I'm in support of this climate change funding, and I think now is the time to ask for it when everybody's very aware of climate change impact and perspectives are changing.

[1:17:28] Voice 19: Thank you very much.

[1:17:30] Voice 22: Thank you, Sue Ellen.

[1:17:33] Voice 22: Any other discussion on this motion?

[1:17:37] Voice 22: Then I'm going to call the vote on the motion.

[1:17:40] Voice 22: All those in favour?

[1:17:44] Voice 22: All those in favour, please raise your hands.

[1:17:47] Voice 22: You're just going to have to bear with me while I do a little tally here.

[1:17:54] Voice 22: Okay, holding your hands up.

[1:18:10] Voice 22: Okay, so I'm going to now just go to the electronic screen.

[1:18:14] Voice 22: Bear with me a second, please.

[1:18:22] Voice 14: Yeah,

[1:18:30] Voice 22: just bear with me a second.

[1:18:32] Voice 22: Okay, so now please, those opposed, please raise your hands.

[1:18:40] Voice 22: Okay, just

[1:19:08] Voice 14: a moment right there.

[1:19:17] Voice 22: Okay. So that carries. I'm just going to say that the numbers are 14 in favor and

[1:19:33] Voice 22: nine opposed. And is that what you have over there, Carmen? Okay. Well, we'll exchange notes

[1:19:47] Voice 22: and we'll get those numbers exact, but clearly it passes in favor. So thank you very much,

[1:19:53] Voice 22: Thank you very much, counsel, and thank you for your patience on the tallying.

[1:19:58] Voice 22: Peter Paul Brent, is your hand still up residual, or do you have a motion for me for amending

[1:20:04] Voice 22: the budget?

[1:20:05] Voice 22: All right.

[1:20:05] Voice 22: So I did ask for an indication earlier as to whether or not there was any additional

[1:20:10] Voice 22: amendments, and I didn't see any hands up, so I'm going to ask again now.

[1:20:13] Voice 22: Any further amendments?

[1:20:15] Voice 22: And I'm recognizing Trustee Critchley.

[1:20:17] Voice 22: And just for an indication, are there any further amendments that are lingering out

[1:20:21] Voice 22: there um in order to provide some understanding of where we're going i'm not seeing anything so

[1:20:27] Voice 22: david critchley um over to you or alex allen also has a hand up so there's uh two persons so let's

[1:20:33] Voice 22: go to david critchley first thank

[1:20:36] Voice 30: you i'll move that uh trust council i need remove

[1:20:39] Voice 30: from your

[1:20:41] Voice 22: microphone there david can you

[1:20:52] Voice 30: hear me now

[1:20:53] Voice 22: that's better yes so

[1:20:57] Voice 30: i will move the trust council remove

[1:21:00] Voice 30: move from the draft budget the item for new trustee computers of fourteen thousand nine hundred dollars

[1:21:11] Voice 30: okay

[1:21:14] Voice 22: thank you trustee critchley moved and uh laurie did you have that in advance or do you

[1:21:20] Voice 22: want to get that up on the screen i think it's self-explanatory so while laurie's getting that

[1:21:26] Voice 22: up on the screen and we'll make sure that the motion is correct do i have a second there i'll

[1:21:32] Voice 14: second okay

[1:21:34] Voice 22: scott colburn seconding the motion um so if everybody is clear on the motion to remove

[1:21:43] Voice 22: the uh 14 000 from the budget for new computers for the incoming trustees i would uh and i would

[1:21:52] Voice 22: like to ask you for um any discussion um laura be shaken thanks i think i understand sorry hang

[1:22:00] Voice 22: Hang on a second.

[1:22:02] Voice 22: Inappropriate.

[1:22:03] Voice 22: David Critchley, do you want to speak to your motion?

[1:22:06] Voice 30: Thank you.

[1:22:07] Voice 30: Yes, I will just briefly.

[1:22:08] Voice 30: We discussed it somewhat yesterday.

[1:22:11] Voice 30: Yeah, I'll try and get close to this mic.

[1:22:15] Voice 30: So I'm concerned about overall the inflationary effect of this budget.

[1:22:21] Voice 30: I would like to keep it down lower.

[1:22:24] Voice 30: This is a small item.

[1:22:25] Voice 30: but is also an item somewhat of principle, I think, that if we adopted having this expense in there,

[1:22:35] Voice 30: we are signing on to the kind of throwaway consumer culture that so many of us dislike.

[1:22:45] Voice 30: So I think for that reason, for the inflationary effect,

[1:22:49] Voice 30: effect. I think the effect of taxes generally on our islands is underappreciated. It was mentioned

[1:22:58] Voice 30: by one of the delegates yesterday that, you know, we have a lot of people on these islands who

[1:23:04] Voice 30: are at or below the poverty line. We are below the median income levels generally,

[1:23:12] Voice 30: early, and payment of taxes is harder for people. So we have to be very conscious about every dollar

[1:23:19] Voice 30: we spend here. Thank you.

[1:23:22] Voice 22: Thank you, David Critchley. The second is Scott Colburn. Do you

[1:23:26] Voice 22: wish to speak to the motion?

[1:23:28] Voice 29: I do. I don't believe a blanket purchase for all incoming

[1:23:34] Voice 29: new trustees is necessary. Trustee Critchley just spoke about some of the financial implications for

[1:23:41] Voice 29: for taxpayers. I would also note, although I'm seconding this motion, that we have to be aware

[1:23:46] Voice 29: that some trustees may not have the financial ability to have equipment to take part as fully

[1:23:52] Voice 29: as we need to in an electronic way, and that we should be as supportive as possible of attracting

[1:23:58] Voice 29: and keeping a broad array of voices and economic backgrounds amongst trustees. So I think it's

[1:24:10] Voice 29: important that if a trustee requires some technical electronic support to do their job,

[1:24:17] Voice 29: that they have the resources of the collective council to do that. But a blanket for all

[1:24:22] Voice 29: incoming trustees, I don't believe is necessary.

[1:24:28] Voice 22: Thank you. So I'm running a speaker's list here

[1:24:30] Voice 22: now. And I've got Laura Beshaken, Grant Scott, Kate Louise Stanford,

[1:24:38] Voice 14: Alex Allen,

[1:24:39] Voice 22: Alex Allen, Tahira Rockefeller, and perhaps there'll be others.

[1:24:45] Voice 22: So let's go, Laura Beshekin.

[1:24:48] Voice 15: Yeah, I appreciate the intent of this.

[1:24:51] Voice 15: And I know that each term there's been a number of trustees who just didn't use their trust computer.

[1:24:56] Voice 15: But there's also been, as Trustee Colborne said, trustees who really needed that, that didn't have a good enough computer.

[1:25:04] Voice 15: And what I've heard consistently from our IT staff is that when we all have different tech, it actually can be more work for them to support us.

[1:25:14] Voice 15: And we're becoming increasingly reliant on complex technology.

[1:25:18] Voice 15: So I appreciate the intent of this, but I wouldn't vote for it because I think we need some budget item to support trustees with technology.

[1:25:28] Voice 15: And perhaps instead we could ask staff to come back with a modified proposal that perhaps could be a little more tailored.

[1:25:38] Voice 15: So, you know, the idea that Trustee Holborn said he's issued a computer and he's never used it is really sad in terms of that wastage.

[1:25:46] Voice 15: So I'm not in support of this, but I'm in support of the general intent.

[1:25:51] Voice 15: protect.

[1:25:53] Voice 22: Thank you, Grant Scott. Oh, Julia Mobs, did you want to assist us with some information?

[1:26:00] Voice 4: Yeah, I just wanted to provide some clarity that trustees would still be provided with equipment.

[1:26:06] Voice 4: We simply would be taking the equipment that's supported right now to current trustees

[1:26:11] Voice 4: and repurposing it. So I was starting to hear a concern that maybe trustees would not be provided

[1:26:17] Voice 4: with any equipment they would be it would just be older equipment thank you very

[1:26:23] Voice 22: much um now grant

[1:26:25] Voice 22: scott kate we stanford alex and old to hear a rock and roll the

[1:26:30] Voice 3: last two speakers

[1:26:31] Voice 22: have answered my

[1:26:31] Voice 22: question thank you thank you um kate lee stamford thank

[1:26:37] Voice 18: you i would like to hear from mark and

[1:26:40] Voice 18: and Bakel about strategies for how this may play out.

[1:26:45] Voice 18: I really believe that our reliance on technology

[1:26:50] Voice 18: requires up-to-date, not only hardware, but software,

[1:26:54] Voice 1: and we

[1:26:54] Voice 18: are gonna be moving to Windows 11

[1:26:57] Voice 18: and what that means for our older computers.

[1:26:59] Voice 18: So if I could hear from staff, I'd appreciate it.

[1:27:03] Voice 21: Thank you.

[1:27:04] Voice 21: Mark, sir?

[1:27:06] Voice 21: Bakel.

[1:27:06] Voice 21: Oh, yes, sir.

[1:27:07] Voice 21: And just before Mark speaks in response to that question, we are embarking on advancing electronic meetings at the Islands Trust and trying to save dollars from lessening our occasions of physical meeting.

[1:27:22] Voice 21: And we're in the process of that.

[1:27:24] Voice 21: Maybe Mark's got a succinct answer that responds to that.

[1:27:29] Voice 21: But to the degree to which we would not be able to provide the appropriate technology to further that,

[1:27:39] Voice 21: I just want to make sure we're not in a situation that we can't get out of halfway through the second term.

[1:27:44] Voice 21: But I would turn that over to you, Mark.

[1:27:48] Voice 27: Thank you.

[1:27:50] Voice 27: So thanks for this opportunity.

[1:27:53] Voice 27: I have a business case.

[1:27:55] Voice 27: I have laid out every scenario that I can imagine.

[1:27:58] Voice 27: imagine and this will cost more if you do not sign on for the $15,000 for this term.

[1:28:06] Voice 27: There is no scenario where I can support this for less money than that. If I have to purchase

[1:28:12] Voice 27: hardware to replace failing laptops, it'll cost more. I have 80% of my laptops fail before their

[1:28:23] Voice 27: eighth year because we do maintain eight-year-old hardware. I have one that is eight years old.

[1:28:29] Voice 27: So it's not that at four years they survive,

[1:28:32] Voice 27: they have to survive to eight and they will not.

[1:28:36] Voice 27: And I will replace them.

[1:28:38] Voice 27: And you are asking me to go forward without a budget

[1:28:42] Voice 27: to replace them.

[1:28:44] Voice 27: I'd also point out that the previous budget was $40,000.

[1:28:49] Voice 27: We're proposing 15 in response to the ask

[1:28:52] Voice 27: to reduce our budgets.

[1:28:54] Voice 27: We're looking at a Chromebook solution.

[1:28:57] Voice 27: These are significantly less expensive.

[1:29:01] Voice 27: They're not throwaway.

[1:29:02] Voice 27: They're fully warrantied for the full period or for the full term.

[1:29:06] Voice 27: They're to the tune of $250 per device, which is less than an iPhone.

[1:29:13] Voice 27: I think these are highly supportable, highly affordable, and highly with high utility.

[1:29:21] Voice 27: And this is the best, I believe this is the best model moving forward for the coming term.

[1:29:29] Voice 22: Thank you very much, Mark.

[1:29:31] Voice 22: Mark. I'm going to go to Kate Louise Stanford. Oh, no, that was your question. Thank you,

[1:29:37] Voice 22: Kate Louise. So we've got Alex Allen, Tahira Rockefeller, Sue Ellen Fast, and I might even

[1:29:47] Voice 22: put my own name on the list. Thank you.

[1:29:52] Trustee Allen (probable): Yeah, from listening to all above, I was going to mention,

[1:29:55] Trustee Allen (probable): you know, I heard what Mark said yesterday, and it's clear that

[1:30:00] Trustee Allen (probable): you know with new technologies and hardware we are going to be doing new equipment and I just

[1:30:04] Trustee Allen (probable): I have a real issue with any time we're trying to you know save money in the budget it's always

[1:30:10] Trustee Allen (probable): in it's always in the trustee's lap I just have an issue that why we keep on cutting away at

[1:30:15] Trustee Allen (probable): you know what we little we have and then meanwhile this chunk of money is elsewhere so I just um

[1:30:20] Trustee Allen (probable): I'd like to think about that one too so I'm not voting in favor thank

[1:30:26] Voice 22: you to hear a rocker phone

[1:30:29] Voice 13: Yeah, I won't be voting in favour for this

[1:30:31] Voice 13: for the reasons the IT staff has laid out.

[1:30:33] Voice 13: I've used my computer through the entire three years so far

[1:30:36] Voice 13: and relied on it, and I think we don't want to take away funds

[1:30:40] Voice 13: that will ensure smooth operations

[1:30:43] Voice 13: for the next Trust Council Committee.

[1:30:45] Voice 13: And, yeah, I think we need to keep this in there

[1:30:47] Voice 13: because this is one of those items

[1:30:49] Voice 13: that we will take the funds out if the computers break,

[1:30:52] Voice 13: so we may as well earmark them right now.

[1:30:55] Voice 22: Thank you. Sue, I'm on fast.

[1:30:58] Voice 19: Thank you, Chair.

[1:30:59] Voice 19: I will not be voting in favour, because we're moving further and further into a digital era.

[1:31:08] Voice 19: Like others have said, we already are going to be saving money by moving to digital meetings.

[1:31:16] Voice 19: This is one of the costs that comes along with moving to being more and more digital.

[1:31:21] Voice 19: We can't be face-to-face at every meeting. We've decided that.

[1:31:24] Voice 19: so this is um necessary and i think another aspect that may not have been mentioned is uh as old

[1:31:33] Voice 19: computers break staff has to spend their time uh fixing them reinstalling them and that kind of

[1:31:38] Voice 19: thing rather than uh doing the other important work so i won't be voting in favor thank you very

[1:31:44] Voice 19: much thank

[1:31:45] Voice 22: you doug fenton yeah

[1:31:49] Voice 20: i think maybe they're one like i'm not in support of the motion

[1:31:53] Voice 20: but I mean once again in support of the direction and so maybe it's the

[1:31:57] Voice 20: messaging that somehow we put on our technology support that we are actually

[1:32:03] Voice 20: this is how we're addressed based on these concerns and these you know we

[1:32:08] Voice 20: aren't just tossing it away if we don't need a computer we won't get one or we

[1:32:13] Voice 20: will you know to support that whole motion so that we are transparent in our

[1:32:19] Voice 20: our approach and we feel good about you know i do have a computer sitting at home that's not being

[1:32:24] Voice 20: used so um and that's my issue and in some respects but decided those are our personal choices

[1:32:30] Voice 20: but and i've been well supported today so i don't have any complaints but it didn't need to be there

[1:32:35] Voice 20: and there was no way for me to say and or for us to absorb it elsewhere so that's yeah we can move

[1:32:42] Voice 20: in that direction that would support our intention and in retrospect people would look at us

[1:32:49] Voice 20: and actually see that I didn't know what you've done in the background.

[1:32:53] Voice 20: That's the messaging that we need to let people know that we are working

[1:32:57] Voice 20: in that direction and making an earnest effort to

[1:33:01] Voice 20: manage it as best we can. Thank you for your feedback

[1:33:05] Voice 20: on that. Thank

[1:33:06] Voice 22: you.

[1:33:08] Voice 7: Case longer, I saw

[1:33:09] Voice 7: the motion. Just a point of clarification. We're talking about

[1:33:12] Voice 7: equipment for the new trustees for the new term. We're

[1:33:17] Voice 7: We're talking about the period from November to March of next year

[1:33:22] Voice 7: because we don't need these computers.

[1:33:25] Voice 7: We've got our computers.

[1:33:26] Voice 7: So it's that one transition period because in November, December,

[1:33:30] Voice 7: they're going to be looking to new trustees who will look at a new budget

[1:33:33] Voice 7: which could include whatever their needs in terms of computer.

[1:33:37] Voice 7: So we're really talking about that transition period between December and March.

[1:33:43] Voice 23: So

[1:33:43] Voice 7: is there such a risk that you're not going to be able to buy a computer during that time

[1:33:49] Voice 7: for the new trustees?

[1:33:53] Voice 7: And because there are laptops that are unused at this moment.

[1:33:57] Voice 22: I'd be curious about that.

[1:33:58] Voice 22: So maybe I'll just turn to Mark to talk about the staging and preparation for that.

[1:34:03] Voice 22: Thank you.

[1:34:04] Voice 27: So the challenge is, with the transition specifically, is that I could not deliver even the existing

[1:34:12] Voice 27: laptops to a new council before January, realistically, because I have to bring them

[1:34:20] Voice 27: back in and I have to assess their quality. I have to wait for them. I have to transition

[1:34:24] Voice 27: anything that was on them of personal nature to the trustee in order to do that any time.

[1:34:32] Voice 27: And the time window that I have in that transition from time of election to time of first meeting

[1:34:38] Voice 27: of council is a very very short window so for me and as far as my staff and

[1:34:44] Voice 27: having the time to deliver the the most supportable model and I always refer to

[1:34:50] Voice 27: this what we can realistically do what is supportable is to bring in new

[1:34:55] Voice 27: hardware to prep that hardware have it ready to go pull the trigger and deliver

[1:35:01] Voice 27: as opposed to having to communicate and facilitate and coordinate in that very

[1:35:06] Voice 27: very limited window of time i don't think it's realistic okay

[1:35:11] Voice 22: thank you uh she on the line here

[1:35:14] Voice 22: now tim peterson and fulbright uh

[1:35:20] Voice 6: thank you chair i'm going to speak against the motion um it's

[1:35:24] Voice 6: clear to me from listening to our our tech support there who i want to commend for the amazing job

[1:35:32] Voice 6: they've done to help us all negotiate the new reality of electronic meetings i think we've

[1:35:38] Voice 6: probably all experienced the frustration of the technical difficulties that we have encountered

[1:35:44] Voice 6: along the way in this process and also that it's uh it seems clear to me from what we've heard that

[1:35:51] Voice 6: this is not actually a uh there's no financial savings uh to be gained here and uh so that's uh

[1:35:59] Voice 6: that's my position.

[1:36:01] Voice 22: Thank you.

[1:36:03] Voice 22: Paul Brent.

[1:36:05] Voice 31: Hi, I'm kind of curious

[1:36:06] Voice 31: because I've been using

[1:36:08] Voice 31: a Macintosh computer

[1:36:11] Voice 31: for the last nine years

[1:36:13] Voice 31: in respect of my trust

[1:36:15] Voice 31: business. I'm not aware of any great burden

[1:36:17] Voice 31: that's placed upon our

[1:36:18] Voice 31: IT department. I know

[1:36:20] Voice 31: other people have similarly used

[1:36:22] Voice 31: other brands of computer

[1:36:24] Voice 31: and did not use

[1:36:27] Voice 31: the computers

[1:36:28] Voice 31: that were provided. I returned mine because

[1:36:30] Voice 31: I didn't need it don't need it so how many of the current trustees use conventional or their

[1:36:39] Voice 31: own computers rather than having yet another computer being provided by the trust it's I'm

[1:36:45] Voice 31: curious and how is it that that has been accommodated at least in my case so fluidly

[1:36:52] Voice 31: without what appears to be a lot of intervention from staff

[1:36:57] Voice 31: staff?

[1:37:03] Voice 22: Okay, I don't know that other than a show of hands, I don't know if there's any.

[1:37:08] Voice 22: Oh, Mark would like to answer. Thank you. Somebody does

[1:37:11] Voice 27: know. Well, I can speak to it. So I can

[1:37:14] Voice 27: appreciate, or actually let me just answer the question directly. I believe we're somewhere

[1:37:20] Voice 27: between 12 and 15 with bring your own device as yourself, which we have been able to support. It

[1:37:28] Voice 27: It does technically represent more support time from our perspective.

[1:37:32] Voice 27: It's more challenging support because we have a larger pool of devices that we don't have experience with.

[1:37:38] Voice 27: We don't support the drivers. We don't support the configurations.

[1:37:42] Voice 27: But it is supportable in the sense that we've been able to manage it.

[1:37:47] Voice 27: I can say that prior to this existing council, we had a larger window of time between the election results and the first council meeting when we deliver the hardware, which allowed us then to petition or survey the incoming council and determine the exact number that were going to bring their own device.

[1:38:13] Voice 27: That allowed us then to purchase the product that we needed, be very responsive to the need.

[1:38:20] Voice 27: This existing council, we didn't have that window.

[1:38:24] Voice 27: So we did, in fact, go and purchase the full set, which we don't actually agree with either,

[1:38:31] Voice 27: but it was a reality of the situation that we had to purchase and deal with the overflow.

[1:38:37] Voice 27: I can say that we do not have one single piece of hardware that went to waste.

[1:38:41] Voice 27: every piece of hardware is still in play to the point where we're we're just at a functional level

[1:38:50] Voice 27: right now in response to covid and this those additional laptops from council served us very

[1:38:57] Voice 27: well in response to covid because it allowed us to send our staff home with work from home devices

[1:39:02] Voice 27: So that was a gift from COVID.

[1:39:08] Voice 27: So my preference and what I'm going to endeavor to do this time is be more responsive to the bring your own device users, be more responsive to the budget.

[1:39:21] Voice 27: This $14,000 to $15,000, I anticipate that that will be sufficient to meet the ask from trustees that require our delivery of hardware.

[1:39:35] Voice 27: The previous budget was $40,000, I believe.

[1:39:39] Voice 27: I believe that was the number.

[1:39:41] Voice 27: So we've made an effort to bring it down with the purchase of cheaper or less expensive hardware, but functional hardware.

[1:39:48] Voice 27: and we're going to try to be responsive to bring your own devices but i can assure you that there

[1:39:54] Voice 27: is never a device that goes to waste at the islands trust they fail and we replace them

[1:40:00] Voice 27: with what we have on the shelf okay

[1:40:04] Voice 22: thank you mark so janine dodds and um i wouldn't mind going to

[1:40:08] Voice 22: the votes that's possible last

[1:40:10] Voice 11: last comment i just want to say normally 50 of trustees are new um

[1:40:16] Voice 11: those of us who may be back, we may still be using our old computers, but they'll be eight

[1:40:21] Voice 11: years old by the end of term. And also remember, the supply chain is very, very broken. So to leave

[1:40:27] Voice 11: staff short of that budget to plan and the time to plan would be very foolish. Thank you.

[1:40:34] Voice 22: Okay, thank you, Janine. Are there any other speakers? Otherwise, Alex Allen and Kate Louise

[1:40:43] Voice 22: Yes,

[1:40:45] Trustee Allen (probable): thank you, Chair. I just want to be clear that I'm sitting in front of my own refurbished

[1:40:50] Trustee Allen (probable): computer that I purchased. It's not a laptop. I've never owned a laptop until I got one

[1:40:59] Trustee Allen (probable): from the trustee as a trustee. I'm sure there's lots of you, I won't speak for all of you,

[1:41:03] Trustee Allen (probable): but I'm sure there's a bunch of you out there that new trustees that don't have a laptop

[1:41:07] Trustee Allen (probable): that probably have a desktop computer like I have.

[1:41:10] Trustee Allen (probable): And so I'm not against refurbishing and recycling.

[1:41:14] Trustee Allen (probable): I'm just saying some of us had different occupations,

[1:41:18] Trustee Allen (probable): perhaps, that didn't need a laptop.

[1:41:20] Trustee Allen (probable): So I just want people to be clear on that.

[1:41:23] Voice 22: Okay, thank you, Trustee Allen.

[1:41:25] Voice 22: Trustee Kate, we're Stanford.

[1:41:28] Voice 18: I'm not sure when is a good time to make this comment,

[1:41:31] Voice 18: but we're talking about an increase in taxation

[1:41:34] Voice 18: to our constituents, and I take that very seriously.

[1:41:37] Voice 18: So I did a calculation for my home, which is not a small or invaluable home.

[1:41:46] Voice 18: A 5% or actually I looked at a 6% increase for my particular property for next year would relate to an extra $12 on my Islands Trust tax.

[1:41:59] Voice 18: I don't want to diminish the impact that increased taxation has on our constituents.

[1:42:05] Voice 18: But part of the things that we can do is advocate to other levels of government to support better service and less taxes at other levels.

[1:42:17] Voice 18: The my local regional district had an 18 percent increase on my island alone, not other areas, but on my island.

[1:42:28] Voice 18: And they actually provided less service and are looking to reduce our docks.

[1:42:33] Voice 18: so

[1:42:33] Voice 22: on the motion so

[1:42:34] Voice 18: i i just want to say you know we have to keep this all in perspective and that's

[1:42:39] Voice 22: why

[1:42:39] Voice 18: i mentioned thank

[1:42:39] Voice 22: you so if you don't mind council i'd like to call the vote so on the motion

[1:42:44] Voice 22: which is on the screen i'm going to ask for all those in favor please raise your hand okay just

[1:43:00] Voice 14: bear with me all

[1:43:14] Voice 22: right please lower your hands all those opposed so i think that for sure that

[1:43:24] Voice 22: That fails, but keep your hands up

[1:43:27] Voice 22: where you want to keep the tally.

[1:43:30] Voice 22: Okay, so in the room, you can lower your hands.

[1:43:45] Voice 22: On the left, on the line, please keep them up.

[1:43:47] Voice 22: All right, thank you.

[1:44:08] Voice 22: Oh, and Peter Johnson, your hand just went up and down.

[1:44:11] Voice 22: So it's up.

[1:44:11] Voice 22: I'm assuming, Peter Johnson, your hand is up as opposed.

[1:44:16] Voice 22: So therefore, I think that's 19 opposed, four in favor.

[1:44:30] Voice 22: And so clearly, that fails.

[1:44:32] Voice 22: So thank you very much for the effort to reduce the budget there, David Critchley.

[1:44:38] Voice 22: Let us move along. If I'm not mistaken, I had Alex Allen with his hand up earlier for a further amendment to the budget.

[1:44:48] Trustee Allen (probable): Yeah, thank you, John. You were asking about lingering thoughts.

[1:44:51] Trustee Allen (probable): thoughts. And when Director Moffs was presenting those...

[1:44:57] Voice 22: Attempt to speak up there.

[1:44:59] Trustee Allen (probable): Sorry. You were asking for lingering thoughts,

[1:45:01] Trustee Allen (probable): and my lingering thought is when I brought up with Director Moffs's report

[1:45:08] Trustee Allen (probable): about the space allowed for possible directions after the governance report,

[1:45:15] Trustee Allen (probable): and I'm just wondering, I'm not sure how to go about that, but that's my

[1:45:20] Trustee Allen (probable): lingering thought I'm sharing with you. There you go.

[1:45:22] Voice 22: Well, thank you for that thought. That's a very good thought. Without knowing what the report is, there's no way to accommodate that. We will be seeing that in March. We will be seeing that and anticipating right at the beginning of Council, so there would be an opportunity before we approve the budget to make an amendment if we thought that was necessary.

[1:45:44] Voice 22: but clearly that would be a challenge, so it may take a little longer to stimulate that.

[1:45:51] Voice 22: And of course, Julia, I realize adjusting the budget, moving money from one pocket to another,

[1:45:58] Voice 22: is a possibility which would require ministerial approval if it reached a certain threshold,

[1:46:03] Voice 22: but additional funds would obviously not be available. Can you confirm or deny that?

[1:46:10] Voice 4: Are you talking in relation to the draft 2023 budget?

[1:46:14] Voice 22: After the 2023 budget is adopted later on in the year, if we wanted to move monies around

[1:46:19] Voice 22: of any significance to accommodate a governance report, that would require a budget adjustment.

[1:46:26] Voice 4: So it depends on the magnitude of the adjustment and whether or not the adjustment is happening

[1:46:29] Voice 4: within a single functional area of the trust or being moved from one functional area to

[1:46:35] Voice 4: another.

[1:46:36] Voice 4: Where ministerial approval is required is if any adjustment will push the Islands Trust

[1:46:41] Voice 4: budget into a deficit greater than $100,000.

[1:46:44] Voice 22: Oh, okay.

[1:46:45] Voice 22: Thank you for that bit of information.

[1:46:47] Voice 4: And all of that information is in the Budget Control and Adjustment Policy of Council.

[1:46:50] Voice 22: Right.

[1:46:51] Voice 22: Thank you.

[1:46:51] Voice 22: So then I'm going to ask one more time whether or not there's any further amendments to the

[1:46:58] Voice 22: draft budget, which we've amended in a few places here in the last couple of days.

[1:47:03] Voice 22: I'm just going to pause for a moment to look for hands.

[1:47:05] Voice 22: otherwise I'm going to turn to Peter Grove for a motion that I believe Laurie has as well to get

[1:47:12] Voice 22: up on the screen to advance this for public consultation. Trust Council, one more time,

[1:47:16] Voice 22: any further amendments? Okay, thank you. Let us go to Peter Grove for the motion to advance it.

[1:47:24] Voice 26: Thank you. I move that the Trust Council approve the draft 2022-23 budget as amended for public

[1:47:31] Voice 26: consultation.

[1:47:33] Voice 22: Thank you very much, Peter. Seconded by Kate Louise Stanford. Any discussion?

[1:47:39] Voice 22: Then I'm going to call the vote. Oh, where? Oh, Deb Morrison. Sorry, Deb. Somebody's got their

[1:47:47] Voice 22: mic on. Thank you, Michael Kael.

[1:47:51] Voice 10: So I feel the need to just one comment before we go ahead and

[1:47:55] Voice 10: vote on this, because normally I am not a fan of voting for a higher increased budget, but I

[1:48:03] Voice 10: I actually am in support of this budget.

[1:48:05] Voice 10: And there are a couple of reasons.

[1:48:07] Voice 10: It's an election year, so there's additional funding in the budget for that.

[1:48:12] Voice 10: We are in the final stages of the trust policy statement process that we have put a huge amount of resources and funding into that.

[1:48:20] Voice 10: And we need to just go the last mile on that one.

[1:48:23] Voice 10: And that costs money.

[1:48:26] Voice 10: I still have many questions about operations.

[1:48:30] Voice 10: But until we get the governance review, we can't make reasoned decisions about that,

[1:48:35] Voice 10: so we're kind of in a holding pattern on that one.

[1:48:37] Voice 10: And so we're in this space where it's reasonable to think that there is an increase in the

[1:48:44] Voice 10: budget this year.

[1:48:45] Voice 10: Having said that, I do hope for increased efficiencies and smoother sort of non-expansive

[1:48:53] Voice 10: budgets in the future.

[1:48:54] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:48:56] Voice 22: Thank you very much, Deb.

[1:48:57] Voice 22: Michael Kael.

[1:48:59] Voice 5: Michael Gove Chair, I wonder if we could just put that

[1:49:01] Voice 5: motion on the floor, that Trust Council approve, as amended, four public consultations. The reason

[1:49:09] Voice 5: that I support it, four public consultations, is that it will show the public just what this

[1:49:17] Voice 5: this budget involves. It lifts us from a business that was at a threshold

[1:49:27] Voice 5: of £7.3 million in 2019 to £9.2 million-plus in 2022. It takes us, in terms of salaries and

[1:49:39] Voice 5: benefits over the same period, from an excess of £4.3 million to an excess of £5.4 million.

[1:49:48] Voice 5: and that is what the general public need to know, amongst other things.

[1:49:54] Voice 5: In addition, I think for broad circulation, there is a paragraph from the briefing from

[1:50:02] Voice 5: our own director of admin services, a very poignant paragraph. That paragraph begins,

[1:50:09] Voice 5: begins, the current draft 2020-23 budget generates significant tax increases not seen at Islands

[1:50:20] Voice 5: Trust in recent history, and ends large draws from surplus in the budget have historically

[1:50:30] Voice 5: kept tax increases artificially low.

[1:50:33] Voice 5: In the middle of that short paragraph, the Director of Admin Services refers to the previously

[1:50:45] Voice 5: flagged by staff as unsustainable, and that comes from our own respected Director of Admin

[1:50:54] Voice 5: Services.

[1:50:55] Voice 5: So, perversely, I actually support putting this out to the general public, because let

[1:51:02] Voice 5: Let them see it and let it be damned, because it should be, and it will be now up to the court of public opinion whether this document is either accepted or repudiated, and I sincerely trust it will be repudiated.

[1:51:18] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:51:22] Voice 22: Okay, thank you, Trustee Cahill.

[1:51:23] Voice 22: Are there any other remarks or discussion on the motion that's on the floor?

[1:51:29] Voice 22: And I just recognize Trustee Scott Colburn.

[1:51:35] Voice 24: No, forget it.

[1:51:36] Voice 30: Sorry.

[1:51:38] Voice 22: Oh, okay.

[1:51:39] Voice 22: Thank you, Scott.

[1:51:44] Voice 8: I wasn't going to speak, but I feel somewhat compelled to say that I consider this to be

[1:51:53] Voice 8: a very responsible budget, given the way that the activities of the Trust have become markedly

[1:52:02] Voice 8: more complex in the last number of years, with climate change and reconciliation.

[1:52:06] Voice 8: And it overlooks the fact that a lot of the work and staffing that has increases that have come along have been a response to that and often are funded by grants as opposed to taxes.

[1:52:28] Voice 8: I've heard people quote that same paragraph from the director.

[1:52:34] Voice 8: It's true.

[1:52:35] Voice 8: We cannot live off our surplus surplus in perpetuity unless we continue to generate surplus.

[1:52:45] Voice 8: But remember, as was pointed out, these are tax monies we've already requisitioned from the public that we have promised them that will deliver something that we weren't able to deliver for a particular reason.

[1:52:59] Voice 8: So that money was there, and it needed to be used at some point.

[1:53:09] Voice 8: So we are probably getting close to the end of that runway in relation to the use of the surplus, and we'll have to be cognizant of that in the future.

[1:53:19] Voice 8: I actually, having been through the Financial Planning Committee in all of the iterations, feel that this budget is responsible, and frankly, it should not be characterized in the way that my friend, Trustee Cahill, just did.

[1:53:38] Voice 8: I think it should be understood what it achieves and what the objectives of it are and how it came about.

[1:53:49] Voice 8: So that's my view of it, and I'll be voting in favour of this.

[1:53:52] Voice 8: And if

[1:53:53] Voice 8: asked by the public, I'll tell them that I voted in favour of it because I approved the budget.

[1:53:58] Voice 8: That doesn't mean that I won't consider modifications after I get commentary from the public, and we should always do that.

[1:54:06] Voice 8: But I approve at this stage, this budget, and look forward to the commentary that we receive.

[1:54:13] Voice 8: Thank you, Trustee Rogers.

[1:54:14] Voice 8: Trustee Brent.

[1:54:17] Voice 31: Well, I also wasn't going to speak until I heard from Trustee Rogers.

[1:54:22] Voice 31: So for over four years, I have been talking, urging the trust, that financial planning committee, to deal with the surplus.

[1:54:32] Voice 31: surplus. And up until most recently, it's fallen on deaf ears and started off well prior to our

[1:54:40] Voice 31: current manager of administrative services. So, you know, I have a problem. I have voted for the

[1:54:48] Voice 31: budget in the past, but I'm not going to vote for this budget.

[1:54:55] Voice 31: I'm not going to vote for this

[1:54:58] Voice 31: budget because it's been too long that the surplus has been ignored and that this kind of growth

[1:55:04] Voice 31: that's that's happened because of the surplus and the fact that it's been around so long

[1:55:10] Voice 31: um you know a nine million dollar budget when our last actuals was around 7.7 million

[1:55:15] Voice 31: is inappropriate and uh you know i always hear that oh it's become more complex everything has

[1:55:21] Voice 31: become more complex well life has become more complex and many other agencies ministries

[1:55:28] Voice 31: companies have managed to deal with that complexity without ballooning budgets far beyond

[1:55:34] Voice 31: inflation so i'm not going to be voting in favor of this budget that's going to be my protest

[1:55:39] Voice 31: in respect of how the trust has dealt with the formation of its budget and its financials over

[1:55:46] Voice 31: over the past number of years, thanks.

[1:55:48] Voice 31: Thank

[1:55:49] Voice 22: you, Trustee Brent and Trustee Colburn.

[1:55:54] Voice 29: Thank you, there's a lot of the legislation calls

[1:56:02] Voice 29: that we represent residents, not just property owners,

[1:56:07] Voice 29: not just taxpayers, all residents are taxpayers

[1:56:11] Voice 29: through any means.

[1:56:12] Voice 29: There's a lot of undone collective work

[1:56:18] Voice 29: work that to protect preserve protect ecosystems and healthy communities and residents of all

[1:56:27] Voice 29: financial backgrounds that is being passed forward generation after generation and there's a long-term

[1:56:34] Voice 29: cost to that in terms of ecosystems in terms of the health healthy outcomes of people who live

[1:56:40] Voice 29: on these islands in terms of the lack of justice for how these islands were procured in the first

[1:56:44] Voice 29: place and the ongoing and long-lasting ramifications of that sooner or later those

[1:56:50] Voice 29: costs are going to be paid and right now they're being paid in in ways that are not healthy outcomes

[1:56:58] Voice 29: for a lot of people so the way that this is being presented and talked about i'm having a real issue

[1:57:07] Voice 29: with here folks and i will be voting for this draft budget even though the whole approach really

[1:57:14] Voice 29: is something that is is untenable okay

[1:57:23] Voice 22: thank you scott so those that have spoken if you could lower

[1:57:25] Voice 22: your hands that would help me and i'm going to go to trustee to hear a rockefeller um

[1:57:32] Voice 13: i'll be voting

[1:57:33] Voice 13: to support this for all of the reasons that trustee colburn just mentioned and i am actually

[1:57:38] Voice 13: disappointed that we haven't included some other projects like the fresh water reporting so while

[1:57:43] Voice 13: While I think that we could have included a little bit more, I will support this budget.

[1:57:49] Voice 22: Thank you very much, Trustee Rockefeller.

[1:57:51] Voice 22: Trustee Brent, are you wishing to speak again, or is your hand just up there?

[1:57:58] Voice 31: I'm having some difficulties taking it down, so it's not

[1:58:02] Voice 31: acting properly right at the moment.

[1:58:04] Voice 31: Is that a Macintosh

[1:58:04] Voice 22: computer you've got there?

[1:58:05] Voice 31: No, it's an iPhone, actually.

[1:58:08] Voice 31: I'm happy for that.

[1:58:11] Voice 22: Couldn't resist.

[1:58:15] Voice 22: Thank you.

[1:58:17] Voice 22: you. I'm going to continue here then with, I don't see any further speakers. Thank you, council.

[1:58:25] Voice 22: I'm going to ask for the vote on the motion that's on the screen. All those in favor?

[1:58:36] Voice 14: Sorry, bear with me. And those in the room can lower your hands on the screen. Please keep them

[1:58:48] Voice 14: up.

[1:59:07] Voice 22: Okay, so thank you. So those opposed? Okay, thank you very much, council. That passes in

[1:59:36] Voice 22: in favor and there were four uh votes uh opposed with the balance of the

[1:59:42] Voice 22: attending members in favor do you concur there carmen teal

[1:59:47] Voice 14: okay

[1:59:52] Voice 22: and we'll review the screen

[1:59:54] Voice 22: information also to confirm that that nonetheless it passes

[2:00:00] Voice 22: Thank you, counsel, and I just want to acknowledge, and I really want to thank you, the conversation we've had here at both FPC and in this room really shows that you have turned your minds to reduce, and in fact significantly reducing, the original proposed budget.

[2:00:16] Voice 22: And I want to thank you for that work, and indeed, we're going to go out to public consultation, and we will be reviewing that feedback and determining where it might be possible to make changes accordingly.

[2:00:29] Voice 22: Thank you.

[2:00:30] Voice 22: That concludes our budget process, and we will now continue on with the rest of business.

[2:00:38] Voice 22: I'm going to ask for your leisure at the moment.

[2:00:41] Voice 22: I want to take a few minutes for what we do annually once a year at the December Trust

[2:00:48] Voice 22: Council.

[2:00:49] Voice 22: We acknowledge those staff members that have been recognized by their peers for the significant

[2:00:55] Voice 22: work that they do for the Islands Trust.

[2:00:57] Voice 22: The CAO is here today with those members, I believe, to receive our thanks.

[2:01:05] Voice 22: CAO Hockenpiller, over to you.

[2:01:07] Voice 21: CAO Hockenpiller.

[2:01:08] Voice 21: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

[2:01:09] Voice 21: One of the many distinct pleasures I have as the CAO is to acknowledge working with

[2:01:15] Voice 21: some great staff, and that's this moment here to provide our annual awards.

[2:01:21] Voice 21: Since 2007, the Trust has hosted an annual staff recognition program as a means for staff

[2:01:26] Voice 21: to acknowledge and celebrate the exceptional work of their colleagues. Nominations are submitted

[2:01:30] Voice 21: through the year and winners are selected by a panel of employee volunteers to be awarded each

[2:01:34] Voice 21: December. A selection of these awards are presented each year at Trust Council in December

[2:01:40] Voice 21: as they represent feats of dedication, determination or commitment to the Trust

[2:01:44] Voice 21: object. This year we have two awards to share with you today. The first is the Champion Award

[2:01:51] Voice 21: and nominated for Championing the Islands Trust Policy Statement or Strategic Goals

[2:01:55] Voice 21: demonstrated through a project or actions beyond their regular duties.

[2:01:59] Voice 21: And I am pleased to announce the 2021 Champion Award winner this year is David Marler.

[2:02:10] Voice 21: He was nominated by Lisa Wilcox, and she had this to say.

[2:02:14] Voice 21: Creating understanding and developing new and innovative processes

[2:02:17] Voice 21: are key to the success of reconciliation within the Islands Trust.

[2:02:21] Voice 21: David's demonstrated this innovation over the past year,

[2:02:23] Voice 21: and I'd like to nominate him for this Innovation Award.

[2:02:26] Voice 21: award. David was instrumental in helping to shape and change the Heritage Preservation

[2:02:32] Voice 21: Overlay Initiative. He took concepts that I had developed and created tangible solutions

[2:02:36] Voice 21: to how they could work within the Local Government Act and the Islands Trust planning process.

[2:02:41] Voice 21: He created a positive atmosphere of collaboration that built a foundation for seeing what was

[2:02:45] Voice 21: possible and encouraged the creativity that was needed to weave together an innovative

[2:02:49] Voice 21: process that over the next years could create certainty for First Nations, Islands Trust

[2:02:53] Voice 21: trust staff, and other agencies.

[2:02:55] Voice 21: Thanks very much, David.

[2:02:56] Voice 21: Well, good.

[2:03:08] Voice 21: Also to be presented today is the Legacy Award,

[2:03:11] Voice 21: nominated for having done something lasting

[2:03:13] Voice 21: for the organization or community

[2:03:15] Voice 21: or something that improves circumstances for all of us.

[2:03:18] Voice 21: Our 2021 Legacy Award has been unanimously awarded

[2:03:21] Voice 21: to Carmen Thiel.

[2:03:29] Voice 21: She was nominated by Robert Barlow

[2:03:31] Voice 21: with the following nomination.

[2:03:32] Voice 21: Carmen has unerringly steered the Allens Trust

[2:03:35] Voice 21: along the narrow path of legislative requirements

[2:03:37] Voice 21: for several years.

[2:03:38] Voice 21: With her sage advice, patience and impeccable diligence, she's helped trustees and staff to

[2:03:43] Voice 21: avoid all sorts of pitfalls and embarrassing errors. Whenever management needs to know what

[2:03:48] Voice 21: do we do, they know they can go to Carmen for the right information and best advice.

[2:03:52] Voice 21: Whatever the issue, whether it's the Community Charter, the Local Government Act,

[2:03:55] Voice 21: our own Islands Trust Act, the cry goes up, ask Carmen. Have a records issue no one understands,

[2:04:01] Voice 21: ask Carmen. Getting lost in Byzantine FOI regulations that you can't get out of the maze,

[2:04:06] Voice 21: Ask Carmen.

[2:04:07] Voice 21: Have no idea about running an open and fair election?

[2:04:10] Voice 21: Let's ask Carmen.

[2:04:11] Voice 21: Let's just hope we don't get over that hump without Carmen.

[2:04:16] Voice 21: In the dark about legislative obligations?

[2:04:18] Voice 21: Ask Carmen.

[2:04:19] Voice 21: Has a bylaw gone off the rails?

[2:04:21] Voice 21: Same response.

[2:04:23] Voice 21: Do you need a good recipe for pavlova?

[2:04:25] Voice 21: Ask Carmen.

[2:04:27] Voice 21: Clearly, the Islands Trust has deeply benefited from her dedication and perspicacity,

[2:04:32] Voice 21: and it would not be such a professional organization

[2:04:36] Voice 21: that we are today without her.

[2:04:39] Voice 21: Thank you very much, Cameron,

[2:04:40] Voice 21: for helping the Alamance Trust in doing all that you do.

[2:04:49] Voice 21: Thank you very much, Trust Council,

[2:04:50] Voice 22: and you're welcome.

[2:04:52] Voice 22: Thank you very much, CAO Hudson-Pillard,

[2:04:54] Voice 22: and thank you to your staff members

[2:04:57] Voice 22: and everyone as an award winner at the Alamance Trust

[2:05:00] Voice 22: for advancing the work that you do.

[2:05:05] Voice 22: Let us move on on our agenda here.

[2:05:09] Voice 22: I just want to arise and report, in fact, from our in-camera meeting earlier,

[2:05:15] Voice 22: and just simply that the minutes of the previous in-camera meeting were adopted at that meeting.

[2:05:23] Voice 22: That's all that I will be rising and reporting from that section.

[2:05:27] Voice 22: This now brings us to new business on our agenda.

[2:05:30] Voice 22: and the new business item at 12.1 on page 501 of your agenda

[2:05:35] Voice 22: is the housing equity and workforce shortage crisis.

[2:05:40] Voice 22: This is a trustee request for decision.

[2:05:43] Voice 22: And Trustee Patrick or Trustee Colburn,

[2:05:46] Voice 22: who's going to speak to this one?

[2:05:50] Voice 29: I'll go first just as a...

[2:05:52] Voice 29: I was going to say

[2:05:52] Voice 19: yes, if you could go first.

[2:05:54] Voice 29: Yeah.

[2:05:55] Voice 29: Thank you.

[2:05:56] Voice 29: Thank you very much for considering this.

[2:05:58] Voice 29: this obviously is a response to a lot of the continuing challenges we see around jurisdiction

[2:06:06] Voice 29: and the toolkit that the trust has yesterday in the budget debate as we went back and forth in

[2:06:12] Voice 29: different islands and different needs the term triage was used and we talked about community

[2:06:18] Voice 29: island communities being in intensive care and needing triage i received my first responder

[2:06:24] Voice 29: under medical license this year. And here's my advice. Don't get to that point where you're

[2:06:28] Voice 29: making those kinds of decisions in that kind of way without that strategic data-based approach

[2:06:34] Voice 29: to how we're dealing with these issues. So this is a request that the Islands Trust look at the

[2:06:41] Voice 29: outcomes, for ecosystems, for residents, for justice in the way that we do this work and

[2:06:55] Voice 29: to ask the province to receive what will be the most anticipated email of their month

[2:07:01] Voice 29: because it allows a collective provincial funded response in 2021 with everything we've

[2:07:11] Voice 29: learned since the founding of the islands trust to help thank you for your consideration thank you

[2:07:20] Voice 22: very much scott uh trustee laura patrick the

[2:07:27] Voice 19: i sort of see islands as sort of the canary in the

[2:07:30] Voice 19: coal mine a coal mine we we know that there's these these impacts on housing and and workforce

[2:07:38] Voice 19: is happening everywhere but for our islands it's worse the commute is harder it's harder to bring

[2:07:44] Voice 19: workers too. Right now, traveling around Salt Spring and various businesses is a window of

[2:07:50] Voice 19: quotes and I'll read one of them. There's like over a hundred on the quotes. There is nothing

[2:07:56] Voice 19: for the average working family. We worked full time. My partner works in the trades. He is paid

[2:08:01] Voice 19: well. We have no options. If our current rental were to go away, we feel stuck. We feel scared

[2:08:08] Voice 19: for our children's future. I have a letter here from the Hospital Foundation. It says,

[2:08:14] Voice 19: The operations of Lady Minto Hospital have been negatively impacted by a shortage of staff, due in large part to the lack of available and affordable housing on Salt Spring.

[2:08:25] Voice 19: As such, the board of the Lady Minto Hospital Foundation supports any initiative which will seek to bring systemic resolution to this issue.

[2:08:34] Voice 19: We understand that a diverse housing typology is necessary, not only for healthy community, but specific to our mandate, the furtherance of housing, the staff necessary for the hospital's long-term sustainability.

[2:08:51] Voice 19: So I'm asking that you would support, and if your island is also experiencing these, to add your island to the list of declaring that we have a housing equity and workforce shortage.

[2:09:04] Voice 19: I see the second ask as this is a section of the Islands Trust Act and no case and I debated this morning how it could be interpreted.

[2:09:13] Voice 19: I'll tell you how I'm interpreting it is that this this is not about advocacy.

[2:09:19] Voice 19: This is we can actually tell the lieutenant governor and consul that we are islands need special attention and that we need their help to create something that works.

[2:09:30] Voice 19: It doesn't have to be in the Islands Trust.

[2:09:32] Voice 19: trust. It is the islands that are experiencing this, and it very much supports the mandate

[2:09:38] Voice 19: of the Islands Trust that we have to have a healthy community as the basis of protecting

[2:09:44] Voice 19: the environment. I ask for your support for this motion.

[2:09:51] Voice 26: The President. Point of order, Chair.

[2:09:52] Voice 26: Mr.

[2:09:55] Voice 22: Peter, what did you say?

[2:09:57] Voice 22: Mr.

[2:09:57] Voice 26: I said point of order.

[2:09:59] Voice 26: The

[2:09:59] Voice 22: President. Yes, please.

[2:10:00] Voice 26: Mr. I am confused, because on page 501 we have this recommendation,

[2:10:05] Voice 26: recommendations, which is 1, 2, and then there's a 2A, but I do not have a 2B in my package.

[2:10:18] Voice 22: Oh, is there a 2B? No.

[2:10:22] Voice 19: I think

[2:10:26] Voice 22: it's not a chronological list. I think it's just

[2:10:31] Voice 22: formatting. Yeah, thank you.

[2:10:33] Voice 22: Thank you for that, Peter. So thank you for that point of order.

[2:10:37] Voice 22: so um i i recognize that there's somebody that wishes to speak to this however if i'm going to

[2:10:44] Voice 22: ask if that remark is appropriate at this time as the this is being introduced and that should

[2:10:50] Voice 22: your remark might be appropriate in support or not um once we get to debate on a motion

[2:10:55] Voice 22: well

[2:10:58] Voice 3: my comment is so short that maybe you can cancel that for me but i think either

[2:11:03] Voice 3: at hornby or in the after islands trust area so just includes everybody yeah i

[2:11:14] Voice 22: understand okay so

[2:11:16] Voice 22: that's uh something that is not uh clear at this time so uh i'll uh i'll leave that to the person

[2:11:26] Voice 22: that's gonna move the motion um or we can amend the motion um if people want to be added to that

[2:11:33] Voice 22: list. So thank you for that. Is there somebody that's prepared to move the motion?

[2:11:43] Voice 19: I'm happy to move the motion. Yes, I'll make the motion as is, and I'll end it in Galliano,

[2:11:51] Voice 19: and then you can amend it at your island. I think that would be the fair way, unless I

[2:11:54] Voice 19: see any arguments otherwise. So I move that the Islands Trust Council declare that a housing

[2:12:03] Voice 19: closing equity and workforce shortage crisis exists in many of the islands within the Islands

[2:12:08] Voice 19: Trust area, including Salt Spring, Gabriela, and Galeana Islands.

[2:12:14] Voice 22: All right. Thank you. Do I have a seconder for the motion, Jane Wolperton? I'm just thinking

[2:12:22] Voice 22: whether or not, in fact, all of the islands think that they should be on this list. And

[2:12:28] Voice 22: so, therefore, are there any islands that feel that they don't want to be on this list

[2:12:33] Voice 14: is actually

[2:12:34] Voice 14: maybe

[2:12:36] Voice 22: the potential question here.

[2:12:38] Voice 22: So that's been moved and seconded.

[2:12:39] Voice 22: Do you wish to speak to the motion further?

[2:12:42] Voice 22: And there's a seconder wish to speak to the motion.

[2:12:45] Voice 22: So are there any amendments to the motion or discussion?

[2:12:50] Voice 22: And I'm going to recognize Kate Louise Stanford

[2:12:52] Voice 22: as the first one that had her hand up.

[2:12:54] Voice 22: And then I saw Laura Bishakin, I think,

[2:12:58] Voice 22: and Scott and Michael Cale.

[2:13:00] Voice 22: Go ahead.

[2:13:01] Voice 22: Well,

[2:13:02] Voice 18: I wouldn't mind conferring with my fellow trustee, Dan Rogers, in that we specifically don't have an issue with housing workforce on our islands, but given that, if it makes the argument stronger to the Governor-General or Lieutenant Governor-General, then by all means, I don't think it would hurt.

[2:13:27] Voice 22: well this is an interesting dilemma because obviously individual lts don't have a resolution

[2:13:32] Voice 22: to that effect or have discussed it um and i i'm personally i see that as a dilemma i look to

[2:13:42] Voice 22: for advice on amending this motion for other lccs that have not had a resolution

[2:13:51] Voice 22: i'm just asking for clarity and i can go to you i have your name your name here's the next person

[2:13:58] Voice 22: go ahead no advice okay well um lord was shaken as the next speaker so

[2:14:07] Voice 15: i have the same concern

[2:14:09] Voice 15: about that dilemma and i think adding a name needs to perhaps be done by resolution of an ltc

[2:14:14] Voice 15: and it's complex so my suggestion and maybe it's a friendly amendment but otherwise i'll make an

[2:14:20] Voice 15: amendment is simply to end that number one after trust area many of the islands within the island's

[2:14:28] Voice 15: trust area covers it off

[2:14:30] Voice 22: uh trustee patrick i think is

[2:14:34] Voice 22: accepting that as a friendly amendment

[2:14:39] Voice 15: and then i mean if local trust committees want to pass a resolution supporting this resolution

[2:14:46] Voice 15: and even putting some statistics from their house needs assessment and just adding it on

[2:14:51] Voice 15: that's great okay

[2:14:52] Voice 22: so i'm seeing some general acknowledgement there i'm going to continue

[2:14:56] Voice 22: you through with my speaker's list um but i i think that that doesn't change the intent of the

[2:15:01] Voice 22: motion and i think that an amendment a friendly amendment there i realize carmen is no such thing

[2:15:07] Voice 22: but the friendly amendment um in removing that portion doesn't change the intent of the motion

[2:15:13] Voice 22: and i got a nod from there so a period following trust area so now i'm going to continue with my

[2:15:18] Voice 22: speakers list and i've got michael kale uh grant scott trustee wright uh brent and thank you very

[2:15:29] Voice 22: much uh

[2:15:33] Voice 5: no need to comment further anything that increases the generality of this certainly gets

[2:15:38] Voice 5: my favor excellent

[2:15:39] Voice 22: thank you very much michael uh

[2:15:42] Voice 3: grant scott yes i would suggest i suggested

[2:15:46] Voice 3: suggested the same thing earlier just into that uh Islands Trust area okay

[2:15:50] Voice 22: thank you any anything

[2:15:53] Voice 22: else uh Steve Wright yeah

[2:15:57] Voice 2: I um I think the emotion sort of states the obvious for any small community

[2:16:01] Voice 2: anywhere in British Columbia at the moment um but I'd like to know from the authors what assurance

[2:16:06] Voice 2: are they is uh that uh that do they have that uh a declaration or an entity is is going to uh

[2:16:15] Voice 2: achieve anything and um whether they feel that the province is not uh doing their due diligence

[2:16:22] Voice 2: in in addressing the situation as it is or even to that extent the regional districts that uh

[2:16:28] Voice 2: occupied the honest trust area okay

[2:16:32] Voice 22: thank you steve um so take that as a question to the mover

[2:16:35] Voice 22: um do you have an answer for that uh

[2:16:38] Voice 19: thank you steve that question i'm giving the example that

[2:16:41] Voice 19: Recently, myself, Adam Olson, and our Electoral Area Director, Gary Holman, were in the Minister of Finance office, Selina Robinson, talking about housing.

[2:16:53] Voice 19: She and her staff wanted to understand the situation. What is it?

[2:16:57] Voice 19: A statement like this helps to bring that this is a crisis and that will help further those conversations when we are in those opportunities with ministers.

[2:17:09] Voice 22: ministers. Thank you. Paul Brent, Sue Ellen Fast, and Case Longer.

[2:17:16] Voice 31: Well, I'm not at all supportive

[2:17:18] Voice 31: of this, and principally because where has the consultation been with respect to our islands?

[2:17:27] Voice 31: I haven't consulted on this. I've had no time to consult with, and public engagement

[2:17:34] Voice 31: engagement for my island is crucial. And we've had no public engagement. You know, I think that

[2:17:43] Voice 31: the majority of people on these islands speak for all islands. Most of the structures on the island

[2:17:50] Voice 31: are single family homes. And it's just, it's history. But this is pretty disparaging for

[2:17:56] Voice 31: two single family homes. And there's been a lot of barriers to multi-unit homes throughout time

[2:18:04] Voice 31: on these islands, including by levels of government.

[2:18:08] Voice 31: I just, I'm sorry, I can't support something

[2:18:11] Voice 31: that hasn't been consulted at all

[2:18:14] Voice 31: with our island residents and property owners

[2:18:18] Voice 31: and renters and whatever.

[2:18:20] Voice 31: Thanks.

[2:18:22] Voice 22: Thank you very much, Paul, for that message.

[2:18:25] Voice 22: Sue Ellen Faust.

[2:18:27] Voice 19: Thank you, Chair.

[2:18:28] Voice 19: I'm speaking in favor of this motion.

[2:18:30] Voice 19: I think this is a good canary in the coal mine kind of moment.

[2:18:36] Voice 19: and I'm holding up my button that says you have to be more careful with an island

[2:18:40] Voice 19: because there are so many constraints.

[2:18:43] Voice 19: And I think this is a good way forward.

[2:18:47] Voice 19: By passing this motion, Trust Council will be able to perhaps do something like an open letter.

[2:18:52] Voice 19: I would want to, you know, with my trustee colleague, Kale,

[2:18:58] Voice 19: contact Bowen Island Municipality, see if that council wants to sign the letter,

[2:19:03] Voice 19: something like that, some mechanism.

[2:19:04] Voice 19: I don't mind what it is, but I think it's important for our island, Bowen Island, as well.

[2:19:11] Voice 19: Thank you. I'll be voting in favour.

[2:19:13] Voice 22: Thank

[2:19:13] Voice 7: you. Kesh Langerhuis, and then Laura Boucher.

[2:19:17] Voice 7: I just want to confirm, we're only talking about the first motion at this point in time, right?

[2:19:21] Voice 7: That's correct.

[2:19:22] Voice 7: Because some of the comments referred seem to imply the second motion.

[2:19:26] Voice 7: So just confirm me that.

[2:19:28] Voice 7: Yeah, as it's amended, I'm supportive of it.

[2:19:33] Voice 7: I do have questions on the second motion.

[2:19:35] Voice 7: Okay, thank you.

[2:19:37] Voice 7: Laura Beshaken.

[2:19:38] Voice 15: Yeah, I'm speaking in favor of this

[2:19:41] Voice 15: and just in anticipation also of the next motion.

[2:19:44] Voice 15: And I actually see this as coming out of extensive work

[2:19:48] Voice 15: that was done across the trust area last term,

[2:19:52] Voice 15: which was the housing needs assessments,

[2:19:53] Voice 15: which did involve a lot of community consultation.

[2:19:58] Voice 15: um and um analysis and uh pointed certainly directly pointed at number one but indirectly

[2:20:06] Voice 15: pointed to number two and you know i have certainly been asked what have you what have

[2:20:11] Voice 15: you done with those you just spent all the money on the study and so i think it is our responsibility

[2:20:17] Voice 15: to do uh something with it and i understand that every island is a little different and that uh i

[2:20:24] Voice 15: hope i imagine if this goes forward will be uh considered so uh and and um yeah that's all thanks

[2:20:32] Voice 15: thank

[2:20:33] Voice 22: you very much lord be shaken uh not seeing any other hands uh paul brent yours are still

[2:20:38] Voice 22: stuck up there um and uh not seeing any others and then i'm going to call the vote all those in favor

[2:20:47] Voice 22: of the motion the first motion okay uh david maude is not in the room okay so that reduces our

[2:21:00] Voice 22: account so on the line here uh please keep your hands up all right and please lower your hands

[2:21:09] Voice 22: everybody and those opposed i

[2:21:16] Voice 14: think there's some digital hands still

[2:21:18] Voice 22: no paul brent steve writes

[2:21:21] Voice 22: digital hand is up. Paul Brent's

[2:21:23] Voice 22: physical hand is up. Are you

[2:21:25] Voice 22: lowering your hand, Steve Wright?

[2:21:28] Voice 22: No. Okay.

[2:21:30] Voice 14: Those

[2:21:30] Voice 22: opposed are Steve Wright

[2:21:33] Voice 22: and Paul Brent.

[2:21:34] Voice 22: Then that carries.

[2:21:36] Voice 22: That was two votes in opposition.

[2:21:39] Voice 22: Thank you, everybody, for that.

[2:21:41] Voice 22: I'm going to go back to

[2:21:42] Voice 22: the proponent

[2:21:45] Voice 22: of the motion and

[2:21:47] Voice 22: ask for a motion.

[2:21:49] Voice 29: I'll do this one

[2:21:50] Voice 29: if that's okay.

[2:21:52] Voice 22: with

[2:21:52] Voice 29: speaking up make sure we can hear

[2:21:54] Voice 29: you absolutely and i'll read it slowly chair

[2:21:58] Voice 22: awesome

[2:22:00] Voice 29: uh make um that islands trust council make the following recommendations to british

[2:22:07] Voice 29: columbia's lieutenant governing council in accordance with section 8.2 e of the islands

[2:22:12] Voice 29: trust act that the province of british columbia developed the necessary mechanisms to create

[2:22:17] Voice 29: fund, govern, and administer an Islands Housing Authority type entity that will develop housing

[2:22:23] Voice 29: solutions across the Islands Trust area that, A, support equitable access to housing as a

[2:22:29] Voice 29: fundamental human right and an act of reconciliation with First Nations and Indigenous peoples.

[2:22:34] Voice 29: B, recognize that there is a critical need for diversity of housing across the Islands Trust

[2:22:38] Voice 29: area and that the islands are particularly lacking in purpose-built rental housing. C,

[2:22:44] Voice 29: C, fosters preservation and protection of at-risk ecosystems, cultural heritage sites, and large tracts of forests and farmland.

[2:22:51] Voice 29: D, recognize that intensifying development of new single-user, market-valued homes poses a clear threat to the natural environment and cultural heritage sites and is not the best use of the remaining residential land on these islands.

[2:23:05] Voice 29: E. Recognize that compact and clustered residential development can make more efficient use of land, resources, and infrastructure, produce lower greenhouse gas emissions, and be more affordable than resource-intensive single-user homes.

[2:23:20] Voice 29: F. Support a socially and economically diverse population and healthy communities across the Islands Trust area.

[2:23:27] Voice 29: And G. Allow for islands within the current Islands Trust area to opt into the entity.

[2:23:32] Voice 29: Thank

[2:23:34] Voice 22: you, Trustee Colburn. Do I have a seconder for the motion? Trustee Patrick, thank you.

[2:23:40] Voice 22: So moved and seconded. The long motion on the screen. Thank you for reading that out carefully.

[2:23:46] Voice 22: Trustee Colburn, do you wish to speak to the motion?

[2:23:49] Voice 29: This will be the first time that the Islands Trust has made use of this section.

[2:23:54] Voice 29: We will be making history and acting as we are legislated to do within the mandate to work on behalf of the ecosystems and all residents of these islands.

[2:24:07] Voice 29: And I think this is the perfect time to do this, and it's well supported by years of public consultation and data and the lived reality of what it's like in 2021 on these islands as we see friends and family separated due to the history of the development of these islands.

[2:24:32] Voice 29: I don't think the future can be supported by this approach.

[2:24:36] Voice 29: So this is asking the province for help.

[2:24:38] Voice 22: Thank you very much, Greg Colburn.

[2:24:40] Voice 22: And the second, please speak to the motion.

[2:24:44] Voice 19: It's that systemic change that we need to do.

[2:24:47] Voice 19: And if we just keep poking at the corners and watching our hardworking housing advocacy groups struggling over competing against each other for meager crumbs of money that are coming out of the current programs.

[2:25:01] Voice 19: This is about trying to find that systemic change.

[2:25:04] Voice 19: I'm so jealous every time San Juan County comes here and tells us about their land bank commission and the upsized tax that they have on the real estate and what they can do with a perpetual fund of that nature.

[2:25:17] Voice 19: And I see that we have to find that systemic change to move us out of the crises that we're in.

[2:25:24] Voice 19: I know that the chief administrative officer's comments about the strategic plan.

[2:25:31] Voice 19: yes we that the advocacy for a permanent funding that came out of the housing report that was based

[2:25:40] Voice 19: on that was removed from the strategic plan but in the report that removed it it said it

[2:25:44] Voice 19: just represents advocacy for the islands trust and such could be removed so this is the advocacy that

[2:25:51] Voice 19: we need to do and uh please support this vote okay

[2:25:56] Voice 22: thank you very much that's moved and seconded i've

[2:25:59] Voice 22: I've got Peter Grove, Laura Beshaken, Deb Morrison, Doug Fenton, Alex Allen, so far on my speaker's list.

[2:26:09] Voice 22: So, Peter Grove, go ahead.

[2:26:16] Voice 26: Thank you.

[2:26:16] Voice 26: As it stands, I would support this motion.

[2:26:19] Voice 26: But having said that, I'm concerned about the CAO's comments.

[2:26:23] Voice 26: I don't see anything on this motion that is going to increase Islands Trust staff workload.

[2:26:29] Voice 26: This is a request to the province for help and not a request that our staff should be asked to do anything.

[2:26:37] Voice 26: Am I missing something? Thank you.

[2:26:41] Voice 22: Do you want to speak to your comments in the RFP?

[2:26:48] Voice 21: Well, I don't want this to turn on my comments.

[2:26:50] Voice 21: I'm offering them as an excitement, obviously, and this is an untapped area of influence that we haven't used in the past.

[2:27:01] Voice 21: but i don't have the context associated with the larger picture of this or whether it's expected

[2:27:06] Voice 21: that this motion is forwarded to the the province and that is that or that it is um you know

[2:27:15] Voice 21: basically um analyzed with a future casting and all the implications associated with that and

[2:27:22] Voice 21: staff be working and it's amended to it as a strategic direction i i can't tell that from

[2:27:27] Voice 21: that so some clarification there would help to clarify my comments i'm just providing them um

[2:27:34] Voice 21: in a general context of how this moves forward or not whether we need to use the island's trust

[2:27:40] Voice 21: staff to facilitate thank you very much for you thank

[2:27:44] Voice 26: you i would just assume that the the motion

[2:27:47] Voice 26: stands on its own and doesn't assume all this additional work for our staff anyway that's my

[2:27:52] Voice 26: my comment thank you okay

[2:27:53] Voice 22: thank you um and i know that steve wright has added to the speaker's list

[2:27:58] Voice 22: so i'm going to continue on from the beginning and it's laura beshak and it's next um yes i'm

[2:28:04] Voice 15: going to um i'm speaking in favor of this uh it is a uh it's innovative it's a step into the unknown

[2:28:11] Voice 15: so it does have that element if we're not quite sure well as in many things we do what will be

[2:28:18] Voice 15: involved in the rollout but if the province were to act on a recommendation there would be a rollout

[2:28:26] Voice 15: and there would be a process by which many many things would get worked out and i i would hope

[2:28:32] Voice 15: that it would be an exciting process because it would mean real changes happening that could make

[2:28:37] Voice 15: a difference on our islands um i am i actually am going to propose an amendment and is to add

[2:28:45] Voice 15: add a comment H and I've been thinking about this quite a bit and so my motion is to amend this uh

[2:28:53] Voice 15: this motion by adding item H and that is recognized and I'm sure I didn't send in recognize the value

[2:29:03] Voice 15: you of island specific specific solutions comma traditions comma and approaches to providing

[2:29:22] Voice 15: housing options and can i say a couple sentences

[2:29:29] Voice 22: about that well let's just see if we get a second

[2:29:33] Voice 22: um so that's moved and we'll need to get it up on the screen for clarity so i'm going to pause

[2:29:39] Voice 22: read

[2:29:39] Voice 15: it one more time

[2:29:52] Voice 22: here it comes

[2:30:00] Voice 22: Okay. And if a wee bit bigger would be, we'll

[2:30:03] Voice 14: get in there. No,

[2:30:04] Voice 22: you know that.

[2:30:14] Voice 29: She read it very slowly. So I will second it.

[2:30:19] Voice 22: Okay. So you're clear on what that says. So that's moved by trustee Bouchakin,

[2:30:23] Voice 22: a seconded by trustee Colburn. And so I'll turn to the mover to speak to the amendment.

[2:30:30] Voice 22: I think it's fairly

[2:30:33] Voice 15: clear, but I'm thinking specifically of the housing groups and the advocates on our islands and of individuals who've created suites and worked and not wanting something to happen that could cut the ground out under their feet or appear to do so.

[2:30:53] Voice 15: So and I do believe this is a value and a unique amenity of the islands is the community

[2:30:58] Voice 15: activism and the local solutions.

[2:31:02] Voice 15: And I would want this to become something that sort of sucks energy and agency away

[2:31:08] Voice 15: from individual islands.

[2:31:10] Voice 15: It should be supporting that.

[2:31:12] Voice 22: Thank you.

[2:31:13] Voice 22: I note that the mover has seconded it or the move

[2:31:16] Voice 22: of the original motion has seconded it.

[2:31:18] Voice 22: And so it's obviously in support, and I'm seeing nods of approval from the seconder, but Laura Patrick would like to speak to the amendment.

[2:31:25] Voice 19: No, I absolutely support the amendment.

[2:31:27] Voice 19: And any vision, this is, I would think, more of an umbrella that all the work needs to continue to happen within our regions, whether it's like in our southern Gulf Islands with the Capital Regional District and so forth.

[2:31:42] Voice 19: everything breaks down to where we need money and that this is pulling the conversation up in a

[2:31:48] Voice 19: collective way so we have to support the on-ground and that will carry on and

[2:31:54] Voice 29: as the seconder i would

[2:31:55] Voice 29: just say that we tried to ground this in the islands trust mandate and ethos and the rural

[2:32:00] Voice 29: character and the desire for the best elements of what's gone into settling these islands to be

[2:32:07] Voice 29: be maintained and even enhanced by provincial help and support?

[2:32:12] Voice 22: Okay.

[2:32:13] Voice 22: So, I just want to maintain the focus here on the amendment, because there are two electronic

[2:32:18] Voice 22: hands up that were up earlier.

[2:32:21] Voice 22: And if you don't want to speak to the amendment, then I'm going to look to the room here as

[2:32:29] Voice 22: well of those who wish to speak to the amendment.

[2:32:31] Voice 22: But Steve Wright is keeping his hand up, so I'm going to go to Steve Wright to speak to

[2:32:36] Voice 22: the amendment to the motion

[2:32:39] Voice 2: you can pass on me thanks peter

[2:32:42] Voice 22: okay and there's nobody else in

[2:32:46] Voice 22: there who wishes to speak to the amendment then i'm going to call the vote on the amendment this

[2:32:50] Voice 22: is not on the motion on the amendment to the motion all those in favor okay all those in favor

[2:33:03] Voice 22: and now those opposed please lower your hands everyone else those opposed to the amendment

[2:33:12] Voice 22: amendment. Trustee Brent, is your hand up?

[2:33:19] Voice 14: It is indeed.

[2:33:21] Voice 22: Oh, okay. So you are opposed. Thank you. Anybody else opposed? I'm only seeing the one opposed,

[2:33:31] Voice 22: so that amendment carries. So now we're back to the amended motion, and I'm going to return to

[2:33:38] Voice 22: the speaker's list that I had going prior to the amendment. The next speaker is Deb Morrison,

[2:33:44] Voice 22: Morrison, followed by Doug Fenton, Alex Allen, Pace Longerise, Steve Wright.

[2:33:49] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:33:52] Voice 10: All right.

[2:33:53] Voice 10: I move that we refer the motion on the table to the Regional Planning Committee for further consideration.

[2:34:03] Voice 22: All right.

[2:34:04] Voice 22: That's a new motion from Deb Morrison.

[2:34:08] Voice 22: And we'll get that up on the screen.

[2:34:10] Voice 22: It looks like you provided that to Lori earlier.

[2:34:13] Voice 22: Thank you very much.

[2:34:14] Voice 22: Gold star for Deb Morrison.

[2:34:17] Voice 22: and that looks like that's seconded by uh janine dodds and you wish to speak to your motion yes

[2:34:24] Voice 10: please um i have not always been the strongest supporter of touching housing issues inside the

[2:34:31] Voice 10: trust council because i'm not fully clear on how they sit in our mandate or not however i can be

[2:34:39] Voice 10: taught and convinced and i think i need more information to understand where this sits and

[2:34:45] Voice 10: i think following our own processes in the past we this is a this is a more complex thing i would

[2:34:51] Voice 10: like more information i'd like trustees to have some time to process you think about this inside

[2:34:55] Voice 10: the regional planning committee thank you okay

[2:34:57] Voice 22: and would the seconder like to speak to the motion

[2:35:01] Voice 11: yeah i just want to say i think my worry is that housing authority may get over the top so i think

[2:35:10] Voice 11: we all have and i think lord in her motion tried to adjust that as well but i think this is a big

[2:35:16] Voice 11: conversation and i think we each local trust committee needs to talk about this the regional

[2:35:20] Voice 11: planning first off i think this is a could be dangerous because i've solutions that work for

[2:35:27] Voice 11: gabriela salt spring would not necessarily work as paul sent for salt spring so we all have very

[2:35:31] Voice 11: different areas different problems so i appreciate eph's motion and i'll support it

[2:35:38] Voice 22: okay thank you

[2:35:39] Voice 22: I just want to seek clarity from our Legislative Services Manager here, because this is a variation

[2:35:48] Voice 22: on deferring a tabling motion.

[2:35:51] Voice 22: This is referring the motion on the table to the Regional Planning Committee.

[2:35:56] Voice 22: So does that imply that we are going to defer or table the motion itself at this point,

[2:36:01] Voice 22: or would we conclude the voting process on this motion and then refer the vote on this

[2:36:09] Voice 22: and then it's automatically referred all right thank you so is that understood by the mover and

[2:36:14] Voice 22: the secondary sorry

[2:36:16] Voice 10: conclude the vote on the referral motion or conclude the vote on the

[2:36:21] Voice 10: other question i'm

[2:36:23] Voice 9: sorry i'm not clear now on the referral motion that's just been made and then

[2:36:27] Voice 9: what happens and then it sits until the regional planning committee comes back with

[2:36:32] Voice 22: okay so that

[2:36:33] Voice 22: language is suitable to put that on hold essentially until it comes back from regional

[2:36:38] Voice 22: to council yes all right thank you thank you deb and thank you janine so now um i'm going to go to

[2:36:46] Voice 22: speakers on the motion and i'll go to laura patrick i

[2:36:52] Voice 19: understand uh uh you know the movers

[2:36:55] Voice 19: intentions but we just declared crises again i know because we just we just declared crises

[2:37:01] Voice 19: with the climate change i know when i was conversing with the president of the hospital

[2:37:06] Voice 19: little foundation it's like we need housing yesterday this is this is this is so severe

[2:37:11] Voice 19: and so i think getting this motion to the lieutenant governor and council and get things

[2:37:16] Voice 19: moving on the province's side is is critical and the timing needs to happen as soon as possible

[2:37:23] Voice 19: like now so i can't support deferring it um i wouldn't i would support having the regional

[2:37:30] Voice 19: planning committee get involved in the process but not to defer the motion to them

[2:37:38] Voice 22: Okay, thank you. Now, I will come back to my original speaker's list again later, but at the moment, those who wish to speak on the new motion on the table, and Steve Wright, I saw your hand up earlier, so I'm assuming you want to speak to this new motion, and those of you that wish to speak to it, please keep your hand up, and then we'll go to Steve Wright.

[2:38:01] Voice 2: Thank you, Ms. Chair. I can't help but sort of agree with the ideas and the concepts and the feelings behind this motion. I don't have too much to argue about that, but if I look at it pragmatically, I've got some issues with it, and I think that it is going to take a larger discussion, first off, in our own communities, individual communities, to see if they want to get involved.

[2:38:26] Voice 2: But secondly, how we feel about all this.

[2:38:30] Voice 2: I just don't see this really,

[2:38:35] Voice 2: I just don't see this building too many houses for us.

[2:38:37] Voice 2: And I think if we're going to get involved in something,

[2:38:41] Voice 2: and particularly if we're going to start talking about systemic changes that need,

[2:38:46] Voice 2: the systemic changes are far greater than finding someone to pay for housing.

[2:38:50] Voice 2: So I think the referral is reasonable.

[2:38:53] Voice 2: reasonable. And I think it gives us an opportunity to kick it around the field a little more.

[2:38:58] Voice 2: Okay,

[2:39:00] Voice 22: thank you. And I've added Trustee Brent to the speaker's list, and I'm going to go with

[2:39:04] Voice 22: Scott Coburn next.

[2:39:06] Voice 29: I am not in favor of this motion. I believe that it allows islands to opt

[2:39:13] Voice 29: in. So go back to your LTC, do the public consultation, speak to people, look at the

[2:39:20] Voice 29: historical data, look at the current data, look at what we have in front of us to make decisions

[2:39:25] Voice 29: and act with some urgency. I was elected on an island that has different developmental

[2:39:35] Voice 29: pressures and different population pressures and different elements in the lives. Maybe I haven't

[2:39:41] Voice 29: done a good enough job of expressing that to people. So you don't think it's on intensive care.

[2:39:46] Voice 29: and so we're making decisions in a non-strategic way too often putting this down this the layer

[2:39:54] Voice 29: of representative democracy in the committee and then coming back up we've already allowed for

[2:39:58] Voice 29: islands that have different approaches and different responses from their community members

[2:40:03] Voice 29: the letters of support that perhaps the public is not aware of that have come in in the past

[2:40:09] Voice 29: week and some of them have been added as addendums from the gabriola chamber of commerce from the

[2:40:13] Voice 29: medical field from business owners individuals who have lived and grown up on this island whose

[2:40:20] Voice 29: parents and grandparents lived on these islands there's an urgency here and um if if you believe

[2:40:29] Voice 29: that your island it doesn't work then don't opt in that element is already there case longer

[2:40:41] Voice 7: yeah thank you i'm going to speak in support of this motion i had some like the idea of having

[2:40:48] Voice 7: a special housing agency for the Island Trust area.

[2:40:52] Voice 7: I have no problem with that.

[2:40:53] Voice 7: And there can be exploration of funding, et cetera.

[2:40:57] Voice 7: My concern rests with the source of the motion,

[2:41:02] Voice 7: which is the Section 8.2.E of the Island Trust Act.

[2:41:06] Voice 7: Because if you read that, that section says,

[2:41:09] Voice 7: make recommendations to the LGIC respecting determination,

[2:41:13] Voice 7: implementation, and carrying out the policies

[2:41:15] Voice 7: for the preservation, protection, and protection of the trust area

[2:41:19] Voice 7: and its unique amenities and environment.

[2:41:22] Voice 7: In essence, we're going to the government, directly to Cabinet,

[2:41:25] Voice 7: not with ministerial approval necessarily,

[2:41:28] Voice 7: to say we want an agency with this mandate.

[2:41:33] Voice 7: This mandate is in fact saying housing is a unique amenity.

[2:41:38] Voice 7: That's my implication, and that's a discussion we've had here quite a bit.

[2:41:46] Voice 7: housing and the trust object if there is i think there's gonna be advocate advocate advocacy for

[2:41:54] Voice 7: government about funding an agency for the trust area i have no problem with that but coming out

[2:42:01] Voice 7: this way there's a side implication which this is a unique community that's at least that i would

[2:42:07] Voice 7: like a legal opinion on that then if that is not the case that is totally irrelevant the other

[2:42:13] Voice 7: the question I had is from opting in. What does that mean? Opting into the agency. I have no idea

[2:42:19] Voice 7: what that means. That's a G, section B. So I just have too many questions. So I'd like to see

[2:42:26] Voice 7: more work on what actually is anticipated and the implications behind it. So I'm in support of the

[2:42:32] Voice 7: motion. Thank you very much, Kate. Doug Fenton.

[2:42:40] Voice 20: I'm thinking in, actually more of a question

[2:42:45] Voice 20: about it not so much because i'm sort of undecided but i would like i think can this happen in

[2:42:50] Voice 20: parallel in some fashion so that um i think it's a great idea that they go to the regional planning

[2:42:57] Voice 20: committee and actually start that kind of work but i also understand that there are um just

[2:43:03] Voice 20: subjects you know the urgent needs on some of the islands as tiny as we are we can't keep

[2:43:11] Voice 20: nobody's got a place to stay anywhere so we have to we can't ignore the equation no matter how

[2:43:16] Voice 20: small your island so what can we do now to move this conversation forward without putting it off

[2:43:24] Voice 20: for three months um is there a process to do that thank you

[2:43:29] Voice 20: thank

[2:43:29] Voice 22: you doug not seeing a motion i'm

[2:43:34] Voice 22: going to continue on my speakers list i'm going to put janine dodds on it and uh my next speaker

[2:43:39] Voice 22: Paul Brent nothing happening there Paul I

[2:43:54] Voice 31: thought Janine was next did I miss that no you are next

[2:43:58] Voice 31: Janine okay

[2:43:59] Voice 31: sorry thank you sorry so I'm going to vote in favor of this motion I think it needs to

[2:44:03] Voice 31: go to regional planning committee I can't help but think when I look at this that this really

[2:44:08] Voice 31: is this whole thing is suggesting that we need some other entity to account for decades of land

[2:44:18] Voice 31: use planning failure because it seems to me

[2:44:21] Voice 14: that

[2:44:22] Voice 31: the islands trust sort of had the ability to

[2:44:27] Voice 31: create the type of environment through land use planning that would have provided for a diversity

[2:44:35] Voice 31: of housing could have minimized um single-family homes so it's i mean i'm having a real problem i

[2:44:43] Voice 31: I find this entire thing extremely ironic that the organization that has been responsible for

[2:44:51] Voice 31: land use planning for the last 47 or 48 years is now saying, well, we've got this housing problem

[2:44:58] Voice 31: because we've got too many single family homes, et cetera, et cetera. We need someone else to fix

[2:45:02] Voice 31: it. And yet we were, it was entirely within our jurisdiction and our power to have created a

[2:45:09] Voice 31: different environment so yeah this needs further discussion within our organization so i'm voting

[2:45:15] Voice 31: in favor thanks uh thank

[2:45:18] Voice 22: you uh paul uh janine dodds is the last speaker on my list on the

[2:45:24] Voice 22: new motion on the script so

[2:45:27] Voice 11: back in i think 2008 so a long time ago i formed the housing auctions

[2:45:32] Voice 11: task force for main island because guess what only all you can have with single family homes

[2:45:37] Voice 11: so that's just a little aside but the reality is that if we pass this motion today we're not

[2:45:42] Voice 11: going to see housing tomorrow you're talking 10 20 years down the road we're so far behind

[2:45:48] Voice 11: because our zoning has not allowed for any kind of density basically the 10 acre land

[2:45:55] Voice 11: trees came in and in most cases people stayed with that so i i think that this has a lot of

[2:46:00] Voice 11: implications to have the entire trust area dealt with the same way to come up with one housing

[2:46:06] Voice 11: an authority, it really would worry me. So I definitely support the motion.

[2:46:11] Voice 22: Thank you very much. Other speakers and Trustee Brent, that hand can go down.

[2:46:17] Voice 22: Michael Kael's hand is clearly up. Over to you, sir.

[2:46:24] Voice 5: Yes, indeed, I support the motion. Speaking, though, to the people who created the original,

[2:46:30] Voice 5: what I would ask is this. This is going to go to quite a distinguished level of government.

[2:46:37] Voice 5: I would hate to see paragraph a followed by little paragraph a's going right the way through g

[2:46:43] Voice 5: presented in that manner they need serious thought and wordsmithing and grouping because

[2:46:52] Voice 5: they just do not read well and neither do they make the strong case they need to make

[2:46:57] Voice 5: they actually do not do justice to the case in hand so I support this motion from uh trustee

[2:47:07] Voice 5: Morrison, because I think it needs more support and more serious thought to support this much

[2:47:16] Voice 5: needed issue. No one denies the issue. I think the paragraphs I am looking at in front of me

[2:47:25] Voice 5: right now do not do the issue justice, and they need more contemplation, more skilful writing,

[2:47:33] Voice 5: team and, frankly, a more barristeral input onto the presentation.

[2:47:39] Voice 5: So I think the amendment is worthy and I certainly support it.

[2:47:47] Voice 22: Mr. Thank you very much.

[2:47:47] Voice 22: Not seeing any other speakers and respecting the time, we have remaining on our agenda

[2:47:53] Voice 22: today.

[2:47:53] Voice 22: I would like to call the vote, but I'm going to now give the last opportunity to Trustee

[2:47:58] Voice 22: Allen, but I would appreciate that if you wish to speak to a motion, you get your hand

[2:48:03] Voice 22: up as early as we can so we know how many other speakers there are go ahead trustee allen

[2:48:09] Trustee Allen (probable): yes sorry i was confused whether i speak now or wait till the further motion because we keep

[2:48:14] Trustee Allen (probable): getting new motions and emotions amending and um i just say i because i'm going to speak to

[2:48:20] Trustee Allen (probable): what i was going to say earlier i am supported this now i was in on the fence earlier because um

[2:48:25] Trustee Allen (probable): you know in terms of implementation there was nothing about how this is going to be

[2:48:29] Trustee Allen (probable): done is it going to be a letter is it going to be staffed to province um

[2:48:34] Trustee Allen (probable): yeah i just felt that it didn't seem to be quite formulated in full in terms of implementation

[2:48:41] Trustee Allen (probable): so um i think it's probably a good idea to go to the regional planning committee

[2:48:45] Trustee Allen (probable): thank

[2:48:46] Voice 22: you okay thank you very much for that uh trustee allen so now i am going to

[2:48:51] Voice 22: call the vote all those in favor of the motion that's on the table to refer this to

[2:48:57] Voice 22: regional planning committee all those in favor and your

[2:49:00] Voice 22: hands up if you don't mind

[2:49:01] Voice 22: all right so on the screen keep your hands up please okay so those opposed please raise

[2:49:48] Voice 22: your hand um and this is in a proposition to the referral okay

[2:50:21] Voice 14: and now

[2:50:34] Voice 22: i think that does it

[2:50:36] Voice 22: trustee peterson i wasn't clear on your uh vote are you raising a hand in favor or opposed uh i'm

[2:50:49] Voice 22: opposed you are opposed thank you jim um i'm seeing 11 11 saying carmen and which oh i'm sorry

[2:51:14] Voice 22: i am uh i am in favor for two three oh sorry uh let me just clarify here one two three four five

[2:51:35] Voice 22: six seven eight nine ten i

[2:51:38] Voice 29: call point of order i call for a roll call vote please one two three

[2:51:42] Voice 22: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11 opposed.

[2:51:47] Voice 22: So then...

[2:51:49] Voice 29: Point of order, can we get a roll call vote?

[2:51:51] Voice 22: We certainly can.

[2:51:53] Voice 29: It's so hard to follow the votes from here,

[2:51:56] Voice 29: and I'm just concerned that we get it right.

[2:52:00] Voice 22: Absolutely, absolutely.

[2:52:01] Voice 22: So my pleasure to have that.

[2:52:03] Voice 22: I'm just going to grab a list.

[2:52:10] Voice 18: Chair Luckham, is there a way that you could always tell us

[2:52:13] Voice 18: what your vote is, because we don't know?

[2:52:16] Voice 22: Oh, I thought I had said that.

[2:52:18] Voice 22: This

[2:52:19] Voice 18: time, but in just in standard process to always tell us what your vote is.

[2:52:24] Voice 22: Yeah, I thought I had said that.

[2:52:28] Voice 22: So my vote is in favour of deferring, referring.

[2:52:35] Voice 22: So I'm going to go to the list here and just please say for or against Alex Allen.

[2:52:43] Trustee Allen (probable): In favour.

[2:52:45] Voice 22: Paul Brent.

[2:52:47] Voice 31: In favour.

[2:52:51] Voice 22: Laura Beshaken.

[2:52:53] Voice 22: Scott Colburn.

[2:52:55] Voice 29: Opposed.

[2:52:57] Voice 22: David Critchley.

[2:53:00] Voice 29: In favor.

[2:53:04] Voice 22: Janine Dodds.

[2:53:05] Voice 22: In favor.

[2:53:08] Voice 22: Sue Ellen Fast.

[2:53:10] Voice 14: Opposed.

[2:53:11] Voice 22: Thank you.

[2:53:12] Voice 14: Doug Fenton.

[2:53:14] Voice 22: Thank you.

[2:53:16] Voice 22: Peter Grove.

[2:53:19] Voice 14: In favor.

[2:53:21] Voice 22: Thank you.

[2:53:24] Voice 22: Peter Johnson.

[2:53:25] Voice 22: In favor.

[2:53:28] Voice 22: Michael Kael.

[2:53:31] Voice 22: Case Longerice.

[2:53:34] Voice 22: Peter Lockham.

[2:53:35] Voice 22: In favor.

[2:53:37] Voice 22: David Maude.

[2:53:40] Voice 22: Absent.

[2:53:41] Voice 22: Okay.

[2:53:43] Voice 22: Mike, Ben McConkie, also absent.

[2:53:47] Voice 22: Lee Middleton.

[2:53:48] Voice 27: In favor.

[2:53:51] Voice 22: Dan Morrison.

[2:53:54] Voice 22: Laura Patrick.

[2:53:56] Voice 22: Opposed.

[2:53:57] Voice 14: Thank you.

[2:53:57] Voice 14: Tim Peterson.

[2:54:00] Voice 14: Opposed.

[2:54:04] Voice 14: Tahira Rockefeller.

[2:54:07] Voice 14: Opposed.

[2:54:09] Voice 14: Dan Rogers.

[2:54:10] Voice 14: Opposed.

[2:54:13] Voice 22: Grant Scott.

[2:54:16] Voice 22: Opposed.

[2:54:19] Voice 22: Kate Lee Stanford.

[2:54:22] Voice 22: Cameron Thorne, absent.

[2:54:27] Voice 22: Jane Wolverton.

[2:54:29] Voice 22: Steve Wright.

[2:54:31] Voice 14: in favor all

[2:54:34] Voice 22: right thank you that's 12 in favor and 11 opposed the motion carries

[2:54:54] Voice 22: thank you council

[2:54:58] Voice 21: mr chair yes sir it's oh i'm over here oh so just for clarity

[2:55:06] Voice 21: what's expected with with regards this matter and and the referral of it is it to um or what's

[2:55:18] Voice 21: the intention of of trust council with this what kind of stewardship is needed at least initially

[2:55:23] Voice 21: i'm not talking long term because that's not determined so we can appropriately get you what

[2:55:28] Voice 21: to you need well

[2:55:30] Voice 22: that's interesting because we voted on a motion to refer it with no expectation

[2:55:36] Voice 22: and now we're asking the mover to set an expectation that may be different than council's

[2:55:42] Voice 22: expectation so trustee morrison yeah

[2:55:47] Voice 10: and literally my expectation is just that the motion that was

[2:55:50] Voice 10: on the table is considered at regional planning committee and hopefully improvements to it are

[2:55:55] Voice 10: made thank

[2:55:56] Voice 22: you okay um that then uh pauses the motion that's on the table and then that would

[2:56:06] Voice 22: come back to us um in march and um that's that's the nature of that so okay we are now at 18

[2:56:17] Voice 22: minutes after 12. um i think that concludes that business item and lets us move on on our agenda

[2:56:26] Voice 22: to um now we've got summary updates trustee updates um i am inclined to receive the reports

[2:56:37] Voice 22: that we received from the trustees that provided that

[2:56:42] Voice 22: and encourage those that have anything to say

[2:56:45] Voice 22: on these other topics of trustee updates

[2:56:49] Voice 22: to provide those reports to council in advance of council.

[2:56:53] Voice 22: And if you have something to say at the moment,

[2:56:56] Voice 22: to put that in writing and send it to them.

[2:56:59] Voice 22: But is there something urgent?

[2:57:00] Voice 22: I definitely want to hear that.

[2:57:02] Voice 22: I know that council would want to hear that.

[2:57:04] Voice 22: Is there something urgent as part of the trustee updates that council needs to hear?

[2:57:10] Voice 22: I'll just look around the room here and on the screen.

[2:57:14] Voice 22: I'm not seeing anything.

[2:57:16] Voice 22: So thank you very much for that.

[2:57:19] Voice 22: So at 13.

[2:57:20] Voice 29: Sorry, Chair.

[2:57:21] Voice 29: I have one BC Ferries piece.

[2:57:23] Voice 29: I was attempting to get my hand up.

[2:57:25] Voice 29: I'm sorry, Scott.

[2:57:26] Voice 22: I missed you.

[2:57:26] Voice 22: Go ahead, Scott.

[2:57:27] Voice 22: Speak up.

[2:57:28] Voice 29: I just want to pass on.

[2:57:32] Voice 29: So the Gabriola Route 19 ferry had some staff shortages, partly due to vaccination, partly due to issues we were just speaking about.

[2:57:40] Voice 29: And they went to, they reduced by half the number of sailings for almost a full week.

[2:57:47] Voice 29: I would ask, from everything I've heard from the daily meetings that we had here on the island with Ferry Advice Committee and everything else,

[2:57:54] Voice 29: that islands and those trustees who are involved in their in their ferry advisory committees

[2:57:59] Voice 29: look at water taxi service and equitable access to that and have some advanced planning that's

[2:58:05] Voice 29: my advice because it could the staff shortages and issues that come from that can happen very

[2:58:11] Voice 29: quickly they can last much longer than you might expect and it had real ramifications across the

[2:58:15] Voice 29: board for for all islanders and connections so that that that's something that's coming out of

[2:58:22] Voice 29: of that very timely response.

[2:58:26] Voice 22: Okay, thank you for that heads up.

[2:58:28] Voice 22: And I now see Trustee Groves hand up

[2:58:30] Voice 22: with respect to these eight items,

[2:58:34] Voice 22: topics that are on our agenda.

[2:58:36] Voice 22: Peter Groves.

[2:58:37] Voice 26: With respect to BC Ferries,

[2:58:39] Voice 26: I had something to say,

[2:58:40] Voice 26: but I just need to ask that staff circulate

[2:58:43] Voice 26: to the trust council a copy of page three

[2:58:46] Voice 26: of yesterday's driftwood relating to BC Ferries

[2:58:50] Voice 26: and route six.

[2:58:51] Voice 26: Right,

[2:58:54] Voice 22: so perhaps you might want to circulate that to be sure that you're getting the information

[2:59:02] Voice 22: out that's necessary.

[2:59:03] Voice 22: It's not clear to me at the moment what that might be.

[2:59:06] Voice 22: It's quite simple.

[2:59:07] Voice 26: It's page three of the Gulf Islands Driftwood.

[2:59:18] Voice 22: Okay.

[2:59:20] Voice 22: I'm hesitating because if I'm directing staff to do something, it should be by motion.

[2:59:25] Voice 22: and i i think that as an update summary report at um trust council and for those that are not

[2:59:33] Voice 22: in attendance um i would ask you to circulate that okay

[2:59:39] Voice 25: thank

[2:59:40] Voice 22: you um 13.2 is the priorities

[2:59:43] Voice 22: chart that's there for information are there any questions on that otherwise we'll receive

[2:59:48] Voice 22: it for information thank you nothing on the screen uh proposed march

[2:59:55] Voice 22: 2022 trust council program this is obviously a very early draft

[3:00:00] Voice 22: draft. Executive committee works on this based upon circumstances as they arise. I'll maybe

[3:00:06] Voice 22: turn to the CO, nothing to add. It's just there for information, fundamental structure

[3:00:12] Voice 22: in the 9-0, if I'm not mistaken, pending no other public health orders that would be

[3:00:20] Voice 22: in contrary to that. So that's March. Deb Morrison on the March Trust Council.

[3:00:27] Voice 10: um given the conversation we've had at this trust council i would ask that the select committee

[3:00:32] Voice 10: conversation be as early in the agenda as possible so preferably on the first day of the trust

[3:00:38] Voice 10: council because that's going to set a whole bunch of other conversations in flow so that would be

[3:00:43] Voice 10: helpful um

[3:00:44] Voice 22: so i i think i can take it that executive committee will embrace that and i

[3:00:51] Voice 22: think that's perfectly reasonable thank you very much um disposition uh delegations and

[3:00:58] Voice 22: town hall requests i don't have that list in front of me my mistake oh i see a couple of

[3:01:04] Voice 22: hands up there sorry uh trustee critchley oh we got quite a few hands up trustee kitchy johnson

[3:01:10] Voice 22: and alan thank

[3:01:13] Voice 30: you uh with respect to delegations i have a motion with respect to the delegation put

[3:01:18] Voice 30: put forward by Mr. Dunison in regard to coastal Douglas fir

[3:01:21] Voice 30: and the extent of that ecosystem zone.

[3:01:25] Voice 30: I've discussed this by email with staff

[3:01:29] Voice 30: and there is now a motion before you up on the screen.

[3:01:35] Voice 30: I'll read it.

[3:01:37] Voice 30: I move the Trust Council request staff

[3:01:39] Voice 30: to review the language used in the website and publications

[3:01:42] Voice 30: to ensure accuracy regarding the extent

[3:01:46] Voice 30: extent of the coastal Douglas fir ecosystem with consultation with province of British Columbia

[3:01:52] Voice 30: staff experts as necessary okay

[3:01:56] Voice 22: I'm not sure if we're a little ahead of the proposed March

[3:01:59] Voice 22: Council program but while we've got that motion that's okay you've got the motion now you've

[3:02:05] Voice 22: moved it it's up on the screen just to keep the flow going uh thank you for that I'll ask if

[3:02:11] Voice 22: there's a seconder uh Laura beshaken has seconded the motion do you wish to speak to the motion

[3:02:16] Voice 30: no i i think it's pretty obvious but uh there was apparent through staff perhaps a little bit more

[3:02:24] Voice 30: complexity uh to the issue so hence hence the wording of possible referral to uh experts in

[3:02:33] Voice 30: in the province thank

[3:02:35] Voice 22: you any speakers on the motion uh the did i get the seconder go ahead

[3:02:40] Voice 22: very briefly

[3:02:42] Voice 15: i don't think it needs

[3:02:42] Voice 15: to be part of the motion but it would be great if we got just a

[3:02:45] Voice 15: very brief report about the findings like i'm just curious from what we heard is was that

[3:02:54] Voice 15: entirely accurate did we have it wrong i would just when i talked to the public about it i'd

[3:02:59] Voice 15: like to have the science clear i'm sure

[3:03:02] Voice 22: we hear about it sure uh let me just seek clarity i think

[3:03:07] Voice 22: this would end up on a follow-up action list and it would we would get a report out some fashion

[3:03:11] Voice 22: that the on the follow-up action report that the amendments had been made or that they were found

[3:03:18] Voice 22: unnecessary to be made is that reasonable okay i'm getting thoughts on that so we'll see that

[3:03:24] Voice 22: through the follow-up action report um are there any is there any other discussion on this um

[3:03:31] Voice 22: motion i and so i'm not sure if trustee johnson and alan are speaking to the motion now or they

[3:03:38] Voice 22: have something else with respect to uh either the march program or do you wish to speak to

[3:03:45] Voice 22: this motion either of you no no

[3:03:48] Voice 22: okay thank you so then i'm going to call the vote on this motion

[3:03:53] Voice 22: all those in favor and

[3:04:00] Voice 14: i'm voting in favor trustee patrick

[3:04:02] Voice 14: pardon me

[3:04:05] Voice 14: i'm not voting okay

[3:04:07] Voice 22: okay

[3:04:07] Voice 14: um okay

[3:04:10] Voice 22: lower your hands any opposed lower your hands if you're not opposed

[3:04:25] Voice 22: trustee johnson are you opposed right no

[3:04:31] Voice 22: i'm not okay so then that uh carries and um i thank you

[3:04:37] Voice 22: for that so i'm just gonna backpedal a little bit here to make sure that i've appropriately addressed

[3:04:42] Voice 22: the proposed March 22 Trust Council program.

[3:04:47] Voice 22: And I think, Trustee Allen, you had your hand up earlier.

[3:04:51] Trustee Allen (probable): Yes, thank you, Chair.

[3:04:52] Trustee Allen (probable): Just given our practice of inviting former trustees

[3:04:56] Trustee Allen (probable): to our Trust Council dinners,

[3:04:58] Trustee Allen (probable): is that going to be a lot in Nanaimo,

[3:05:01] Trustee Allen (probable): like particular Gabriela trustees

[3:05:02] Trustee Allen (probable): and maybe perhaps Loschini trustees?

[3:05:04] Trustee Allen (probable): Is that going to be part of the program?

[3:05:07] Trustee Allen (probable): I am seeing a

[3:05:08] Voice 22: nod over there to that effect.

[3:05:15] Voice 22: and we'll consider how we're going to manage that.

[3:05:17] Voice 22: I think that's enough.

[3:05:19] Voice 22: All right.

[3:05:20] Voice 22: Thank you for that question, Trustee Allen.

[3:05:24] Voice 22: Now, I just want to say, Trustee Johnson,

[3:05:27] Voice 22: did you have something on the Trust Council program?

[3:05:32] Voice 22: Your microphone will have to come on.

[3:05:34] Voice 22: I

[3:05:38] Voice 24: want to move that staff be asked to report on the veracity of the data

[3:05:44] Voice 24: are presented by the saturn island residential repairs association on budget feedback and process

[3:05:51] Voice 24: and this is substantially and that it is substantially accurate and correct sorry

[3:05:57] Voice 24: if it is substantially accurate accurate and correct that we not use the same budget feed

[3:06:04] Voice 24: process feedback process this year and i'm about to send that to to lori okay

[3:06:16] Voice 22: um i'm gonna then

[3:06:18] Voice 22: then wait for that to arrive in Laurie's inbox, because that's quite complex, and you're on

[3:06:29] Voice 22: disposition of delegations and town hall requests.

[3:06:31] Voice 22: In the moment, while we're waiting for that, Peter Johnson, does council want to do anything

[3:06:41] Voice 22: else with respect to disposition of delegations and town hall requests?

[3:06:45] Voice 22: questions. Keep your hand up for a moment. I'm going to go to Deb Morrison first.

[3:07:00] Voice 10: Okay. I think I did send this one to Laurie already in email. Do you want me to put it on

[3:07:08] Voice 10: the table now or wait for the other one?

[3:07:10] Voice 22: Well, I see, actually, Trustee Johnson's

[3:07:12] Voice 22: come up there now. If you don't, I apologize. I'm going to put the new speakers on pause

[3:07:18] Voice 22: in order to ensure that we're advancing this in the appropriate order so thank

[3:07:24] Voice 22: you trustee Johnson for advancing that to Laurie and so that motion is on the

[3:07:31] Voice 22: screen there do I have somebody that wishes to second that motion okay

[3:07:40] Voice 22: trustee case longer I see seconded the motion trustee Johnson do you wish to

[3:07:45] Voice 22: speak to it at all no

[3:07:48] Voice 24: i i think it's pretty clear thank

[3:07:51] Voice 22: you uh seconder no um shall i just go and

[3:07:57] Voice 22: call the vote i see trustee allen's hand up but i'm are you speaking do you wish to speak to this

[3:08:02] Voice 22: motion on the table oh

[3:08:04] Trustee Allen (probable): no i'm just unclear what exactly he's asking here like is that the

[3:08:09] Trustee Allen (probable): information was not correct and accurate or i don't know what exactly what this motion is about

[3:08:19] Voice 22: trustee Johnson do you want to help

[3:08:20] Voice 22: I did

[3:08:23] Voice 24: not have time last night

[3:08:25] Voice 24: or this morning to look at

[3:08:26] Voice 24: the budget feedback from last year

[3:08:29] Voice 24: I want staff to quickly look at

[3:08:33] Voice 24: the information presented

[3:08:35] Voice 24: and if it was substantially accurate

[3:08:38] Voice 24: and complete that we use

[3:08:42] Voice 24: a different process of feedback this year

[3:08:44] Voice 24: because if she was correct, we shouldn't do the same thing again.

[3:08:50] Voice 22: Okay. Thank you, Trustee Johnson.

[3:08:52] Voice 22: And the CEO wishes to make a remark.

[3:08:55] Voice 21: Thank you.

[3:08:56] Voice 21: FPC is traditionally being delegated responsibility

[3:09:00] Voice 21: for reviewing the budget consultation process

[3:09:04] Voice 21: and shepherding it through.

[3:09:05] Voice 21: And over the last number of years,

[3:09:07] Voice 21: it's seen quite an increase in the amount of participation.

[3:09:12] Voice 21: Certainly, I believe they've already passed the consultation process right now.

[3:09:17] Voice 21: We can review that.

[3:09:19] Voice 21: I don't believe, essentially, what the motions that Trust Council made was to go out and consult with the public.

[3:09:27] Voice 23: And

[3:09:27] Voice 21: so we are proceeding on that basis.

[3:09:30] Voice 21: And I don't believe FP, we have to start doing that now.

[3:09:34] Voice 21: and we haven't um fbc won't be meeting between now and then nor will it be we can't start this

[3:09:41] Voice 21: process you can't get a report back in march about um the results of this presentation um

[3:09:49] Voice 21: so i think some of the decisions you've made already would may be frustrated by passage of this

[3:09:58] Voice 21: at the specifics of this resolution.

[3:10:03] Voice 21: Because then you'd have to ask the question,

[3:10:05] Voice 21: how and when do we publicly consult?

[3:10:09] Voice 21: I think that hearing the presentation,

[3:10:11] Voice 21: there's some valid points.

[3:10:12] Voice 21: A lot of it would be through the interpretation of such.

[3:10:16] Voice 21: And we certainly will have good data.

[3:10:18] Voice 21: I think that maybe it can be presented in different ways

[3:10:22] Voice 21: that satisfy Trust Council and satisfy this request.

[3:10:25] Voice 22: Okay, thank you very much.

[3:10:26] Voice 22: so if i might just make sure that i understand that and hopefully it might help others that

[3:10:30] Voice 22: what you're suggesting is this may uh affect the timing of the uh uh the public outreach with

[3:10:38] Voice 22: respect to the budget and certainly that is one of the criticisms that we've heard that there's

[3:10:43] Voice 22: not adequate time for that uh process well

[3:10:47] Voice 21: not only that mr chair but i think one of the outcomes

[3:10:49] Voice 21: of the presentation was don't do public consultation this year and do it just to take the

[3:10:54] Voice 21: data from last year uh i didn't hear trust council be interested in that process that they do want to

[3:11:00] Voice 21: go out and consult with the public so we do have a process in place fbc's looked at it when we

[3:11:05] Voice 21: receive that data how it's interpreted perhaps and reviewed maybe fbc will um formulate specific

[3:11:12] Voice 21: questions and how that's um presented back to trust council okay

[3:11:16] Voice 22: so thank you every

[3:11:17] Voice 22: both of you for the help on the clarity of that so i'm going to ask now um hold on a second here

[3:11:24] Voice 22: I've got a I believe I have speakers list. No, we're not on this motion. Sorry. This is a new motion

[3:11:31] Voice 22: So it's moved. It was seconded. Um, is there any other any other speakers on this motion?

[3:11:42] Voice 22: Okay on the screen not seeing any other speakers

[3:11:44] Voice 22: I'm gonna call the vote all those in favor of the motion on the table. Okay,

[3:11:53] Voice 22: so I'm seeing

[3:11:55] Voice 22: three in favor

[3:11:58] Voice 22: I'm gonna now ask for those opposed and

[3:12:02] Voice 22: And the remaining are opposed.

[3:12:06] Voice 22: So that fails.

[3:12:08] Voice 22: And just note that it would appear that we've lost Trustee Dodds and Trustee Maude at this point.

[3:12:14] Voice 22: And so our numbers are coming down.

[3:12:16] Voice 22: But nonetheless, that motion fails.

[3:12:19] Voice 22: Thank you very much.

[3:12:22] Voice 22: Now I'm going to go back.

[3:12:24] Voice 22: That's what my speaker says was.

[3:12:26] Voice 22: I'm going to go back to Deb Morrison for an additional action here.

[3:12:30] Voice 22: and you had forwarded that to lori and that's on the screen now and so let's see what that says

[3:12:37] Voice 10: all right so i move that trust council referred delegation item 7.11 and 7.15 to the trust

[3:12:43] Voice 10: programs committee for consideration as part of the trust policy statement project

[3:12:47] Voice 22: thank you uh so let's move to have a second there seconded by dan rogers thank you um

[3:12:54] Voice 22: and you wish to speak to the motion

[3:12:56] Voice 10: just that those were the two delegations that specifically

[3:13:00] Voice 10: dealt with that, and I want to make sure that their thoughts and their materials are considered

[3:13:03] Voice 10: inside that work.

[3:13:04] Voice 22: Excellent. Thank you. Any further discussion or the seconder wish to speak

[3:13:10] Voice 22: to it? No. Then, not seeing any hands up, I'll call for the vote. All those in favour?

[3:13:19] Voice 22: Any opposed? Those opposed? No. Okay, so that carries unanimously. Thank you very much.

[3:13:29] Voice 22: i'm going to continue on my list now uh doug fenton there's

[3:13:36] Voice 20: respect to uh delegations yes

[3:13:39] Voice 20: the uh the standards pollution from vessels exhaust gas i've said that to lori i

[3:13:47] Voice 22: see lori

[3:13:48] Voice 22: you have a motion from trustee fenton thank you perfect you want to make that motion trustee

[3:14:03] Voice 22: Fenton?

[3:14:04] Voice 20: Certainly that the chair read a letter to Transport Canada to take the action on the

[3:14:10] Voice 20: air pollution and dumping from vessels including stopping the use of scrubbers mandating the fuel

[3:14:18] Voice 20: standard without scrubber work around as California has done including requiring

[3:14:26] Voice 20: requiring or incentivizing or incentivize the use of marine gas oil instead of the HFO

[3:14:36] Voice 20: with scrubbers in advocacy conversations with oil and still clean up and anchorages

[3:14:44] Voice 20: okay

[3:14:45] Voice 22: very good just defense and thank you so everybody's clear on that i've got a number

[3:14:49] Voice 22: of seconders around the table i'm going to go with case longer right and uh do you wish to

[3:14:56] Voice 22: speak to the motion at all i

[3:14:58] Voice 20: i think it's um clear i think that we should be following the lead of

[3:15:02] Voice 20: three states uh south of us and we have good cooperation and collaboration with uh future

[3:15:09] Voice 20: sound i think this is just add to the voice and push so i think

[3:15:14] Voice 22: that's the second we should speak

[3:15:16] Voice 22: to it yeah

[3:15:18] Voice 22: microphone off doug oh sorry yeah

[3:15:22] Voice 7: i'm certainly in support of this this is a classic

[3:15:24] Voice 7: a case of technology dealing with one issue and creating multiple other issues and it's something

[3:15:29] Voice 7: that needs to be addressed and we should be taking a lead on this kind of stuff well said thank you

[3:15:34] Voice 22: sir are there any speakers on the motion looking around the room nothing in the room nothing

[3:15:41] Voice 22: outside the room then oh why do i see him yeah that physical hands actually you see you've got

[3:15:52] Voice 22: a yellow hand on a yellow background that's the trouble there so anyway trustee allen over to you

[3:15:58] Trustee Allen (probable): just a friendly amendment uh to say shipping vessels sad shipping in front of his vessels

[3:16:04] Trustee Allen (probable): where second line dumping from vessels to sad shipping vessels

[3:16:13] Voice 22: the mover thinks that that's not necessary uh because cruise ships are also in that category

[3:16:20] Voice 22: as the that's the most significant polluter yeah

[3:16:23] Trustee Allen (probable): i hope they are there yeah

[3:16:24] Voice 22: yeah all right so then

[3:16:26] Voice 22: and we'll just ask if there's any other discussion

[3:16:28] Voice 22: on the motion.

[3:16:30] Voice 22: Nothing, all those in favor?

[3:16:32] Voice 22: All right, put lower your hands, please.

[3:16:38] Voice 14: Any opposed?

[3:16:44] Voice 22: Any opposed?

[3:16:45] Voice 22: I don't see any opposed, so that carries.

[3:16:48] Voice 22: Thank you very much, Doug.

[3:16:51] Voice 22: Sue Ellen Fast, you're next.

[3:16:53] Voice 19: I was gonna move the same motion, similar to Doug's.

[3:16:56] Voice 22: Oh, perfect, there we go.

[3:16:57] Voice 22: You guys should collaborate more often.

[3:17:00] Voice 22: Okay, that's awesome.

[3:17:01] Voice 22: Is there any other work necessary with the disposition of delegation and town hall requests?

[3:17:08] Voice 22: We, of course, always write to the delegations and thank them for their presentations, but that's a matter of course, and we will be doing that.

[3:17:16] Voice 22: Not seeing any hands up, then I'm going to continue on here now.

[3:17:21] Voice 22: Strategic plan amendment, CAO Hudson-Puller, were you going to say something here?

[3:17:28] Voice 22: There's nothing at hand.

[3:17:29] Voice 22: So it's just a standing item, but no content.

[3:17:32] Voice 22: Okay, thank you.

[3:17:33] Voice 22: So correspondence is our next item at 15.1

[3:17:38] Voice 22: from Maxine Leichter from October 23rd

[3:17:42] Voice 22: regarding residential floor area review model bylaw report March 2020-21.

[3:17:49] Voice 22: Is there any action the council would like to take with respect to this letter?

[3:17:56] Voice 22: So then, oh, Sue Ellen Faust.

[3:17:58] Voice 22: Yeah,

[3:17:59] Voice 19: I think I would like to thank the writer of this letter. She's pointed out that some of the work in the discussion paper that came forward to us about floor area ratio, that many of the examples used, if not all, were on municipal water systems or not the sort of island systems that we're used to.

[3:18:24] Voice 19: So I would like to ask that—I'm not sure how to do this, but—this letter be forwarded or attached to the discussion paper.

[3:18:37] Voice 19: So what would be the best way to do that?

[3:18:39] Voice 22: So you want to forward it to the Regional Planning Committee?

[3:18:41] Voice 19: Forward the letter to the Regional Planning Committee. Thank you.

[3:18:45] Voice 22: Thank you. So you captured that, Laurie. I think that's pretty self-evident.

[3:18:49] Voice 22: Is there a seconder for that motion?

[3:18:52] Voice 22: Chair, is it point of order?

[3:18:54] Voice 22: oh

[3:18:54] Voice 30: go ahead i just want to point out that the letter is actually addressed to the regional

[3:18:59] Voice 30: planning as well as trust council so is this necessary oh

[3:19:05] Voice 22: thank you for that um i'll ask

[3:19:07] Voice 22: the mover of that i'll withdraw the motion is withdrawn thank you very much um i don't think

[3:19:16] Voice 22: i acknowledged the second this other because we wouldn't normally withdraw a motion if it

[3:19:20] Voice 22: It was seconded.

[3:19:24] Voice 20: You agree?

[3:19:28] Voice 22: Okay.

[3:19:29] Voice 22: So then thank you for that.

[3:19:32] Voice 22: So that's the correspondence.

[3:19:35] Voice 22: Council, our next meeting is in Nanaimo, March the 8th through the 10th.

[3:19:39] Voice 22: And that is indeed going to be our budget.

[3:19:41] Voice 22: We're also going to receive a report from the Governance and Management Committee.

[3:19:46] Voice 22: Chair, can I ask?

[3:19:47] Voice 22: Thank you very much for today's meeting.

[3:19:49] Voice 29: Chair, before you end the meeting, I'm sorry.

[3:19:51] Voice 29: There's

[3:19:51] Voice 22: some unresolved business here that I

[3:19:53] Voice 29: need to put forward.

[3:19:53] Voice 29: so trustee Colburn I move it's not a remark it's a motion I move that trustee Scott Colburn be

[3:20:01] Voice 29: added to the regional planning committee I'm sorry I need to have a vote on that committee

[3:20:07] Voice 29: based on the work that this trust council has done today

[3:20:11] Voice 22: well

[3:20:12] Voice 21: that's an interesting idea I think

[3:20:17] Voice 21: Mr. Chair if I may yes that the chair of trust council makes those appointments

[3:20:22] Voice 21: appointments. That's how those committee appointments have been made in the past, and

[3:20:30] Voice 21: that will probably be facilitated by that conversation with the trustee.

[3:20:35] Voice 22: Yeah, and I actually have had another personal contact from Trustee Grant Scott to be appointed

[3:20:51] Voice 22: I don't really see an issue with that.

[3:20:57] Voice 22: What I would suggest is that you send me an email, both of you, and I think I will consult with the chairs of the committees.

[3:21:07] Voice 22: And I don't necessarily see that as being an issue, but I don't know that it's necessary for those appointments to be made at this table.

[3:21:14] Voice 22: And so if that's all right with the mover, then you can overturn that, I guess, at council, if you so wish.

[3:21:25] Voice 22: I

[3:21:25] Voice 29: wanted to ensure that it didn't need a Trust Council motion because the timing of this obviously is problematic.

[3:21:33] Voice 22: Send me an email. Deb Morrison.

[3:21:38] Voice 10: So maybe the chair of regional planning also wants to just speak.

[3:21:42] Voice 10: So I would support the addition of folks

[3:21:44] Voice 10: onto the Trust Programs Committee at the chairs.

[3:21:47] Voice 22: And so, Laura Beshakian?

[3:21:50] Voice 15: Like, in principle, I'm happy to welcome new members.

[3:21:53] Voice 15: I actually, I feel this is a little bit,

[3:21:55] Voice 15: it's the end of council, and I just,

[3:21:59] Voice 15: I'm not really ready to, and it's not my decision.

[3:22:02] Voice 15: Could we just maybe give it a day or two

[3:22:04] Voice 15: and have a phone call?

[3:22:06] Voice 29: Absolutely. I just wanted to make sure

[3:22:07] Voice 29: it didn't need a motion at this trust council.

[3:22:09] Voice 29: That's, you know what I mean, procedurally?

[3:22:13] Voice 22: okay yeah it's a that you know that's an it's an interesting question to ask scott but let's just

[3:22:19] Voice 22: say we'll handle that in the process that exists and i don't see an issue with that

[3:22:25] Voice 22: we want to have full informed conversations at all of our committees um so um that's terrific

[3:22:32] Voice 22: so our next meeting is in march i want to thank everybody is there any final remarks from anybody

[3:22:39] Voice 15: I want to just give an extra thank you to the technical support we've had here.

[3:22:44] Voice 15: This is like a miraculous.

[3:22:48] Voice 15: Our tech staff are so calm, and they solve so many problems,

[3:22:52] Voice 15: and they pull off miracles, so thank you.

[3:22:55] Voice 22: Bravo.

[3:22:57] Voice 22: Thank you for that.

[3:23:00] Voice 22: I

[3:23:00] Voice 19: believe this is the last Trust Council, but we'll see Carmen Thiel.

[3:23:04] Voice 19: Carmen, all the best in your retirement.

[3:23:05] Voice 19: No? One more?

[3:23:07] Voice 19: Oh, excuse me, I'm ahead of the game.

[3:23:10] Voice 8: Can I just say thanks, in addition to thanks to you, Peter,

[3:23:14] Voice 8: because this was a very, very challenging meeting to chair.

[3:23:20] Voice 8: Thank

[3:23:24] Voice 22: you, Council. I couldn't do it without you.

[3:23:28] Voice 22: Okay, let's adjourn.

[3:23:29] Voice 14: Merry Christmas.

[3:23:31] Voice 22: That carries. Everybody, be careful out there. Enjoy the sunshine.

[3:23:36] Voice 22: Look forward to seeing you at whatever our next in-person opportunity is.

[3:23:41] Voice 22: All the best.

[3:23:42] Voice 30: Merry Christmas, everybody.