Hornby Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, December 10, 2021

[0:00:02] Trustee Fast (probable): okay i think we're all ready i'm going to call the meeting to order uh welcome everybody to the

[0:00:09] Trustee Fast (probable): second in-person meeting of the um hornby length local trust committee now that uh covid has been

[0:00:17] Trustee Fast (probable): among us for 18 months or so and uh so excuse us if we're fiddling around here i have a camera that

[0:00:25] Trustee Fast (probable): will be recording um the meeting and we'll put it up online later so partly because we've got

[0:00:31] Trustee Fast (probable): this hybrid thing going on. I just want to let you know that it is being recorded

[0:00:38] Trustee Fast (probable): and that we're doing our best up here. Okay. It's also because of COVID, other things are a little

[0:00:44] Trustee Fast (probable): different in that we don't have as many staff with us as you might expect. But we do have Heather

[0:00:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Power is our regional planning manager. So she'll be reporting on the different planners

[0:01:00] Trustee Fast (probable): work today and the study and the reports that are in the in the agenda so i'm realizing i don't even

[0:01:06] Trustee Fast (probable): have the agenda open here yet so i've got my cover i

[0:01:12] Trustee Fast (probable): just don't have the big one okay um so before

[0:01:15] Trustee Fast (probable): we begin i'd like to acknowledge that we were meeting today on the unceded territories of the

[0:01:20] Trustee Fast (probable): the Comox and the Plum Latch First Nations and probably others if you go back through the ages.

[0:01:28] Trustee Fast (probable): And personally, I feel really, especially at this time of a biodiversity crisis and climate change

[0:01:35] Trustee Fast (probable): and health and equity being in the news so much these days,

[0:01:40] Trustee Fast (probable): I feel privileged to be part of working for the Islands Trust with our big reconciliation declaration

[0:01:48] Trustee Fast (probable): and the goals that we've got to try and work better in a harmonized way

[0:01:54] Trustee Fast (probable): for paddling together towards a better future.

[0:01:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Anyway, that's my little bit there, and anybody's welcome to chime in.

[0:02:03] Trustee Fast (probable): But this is a formal business meeting of the Local Trust Committee,

[0:02:07] Trustee Fast (probable): and we've got your elected trustees with us here.

[0:02:10] Trustee Fast (probable): This is Grant Scott, one of your Corby local trustees,

[0:02:14] Trustee Fast (probable): and Alex Allen, I think we've got our name tags up.

[0:02:17] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm sure you all know them.

[0:02:18] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm Sue Ellen Fast.

[0:02:19] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm from Bowen Island, but I was elected as a vice chair,

[0:02:23] Trustee Fast (probable): which means I'm a chair of a number of local trust committees.

[0:02:28] Trustee Fast (probable): And I've introduced Heather already, and also with us today,

[0:02:31] Trustee Fast (probable): we've got a staff person on the phone.

[0:02:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Catherine Boyd is on the telephone back there,

[0:02:37] Trustee Fast (probable): and she'll be taking our formal minutes because these are decisions

[0:02:42] Trustee Fast (probable): that are land use decisions that you want proper record of and so she's our

[0:02:49] Trustee Fast (probable): turned in expert person so this is a kind of meeting where we like to have

[0:02:54] Trustee Fast (probable): what I like is the healthy dialogue making sure everybody's heard and value

[0:03:02] Trustee Fast (probable): everybody's input you've got the input from the people who live here from the

[0:03:06] Trustee Fast (probable): community and we've got the input of the elected trustees and our rules to play

[0:03:12] Trustee Fast (probable): and we've got the expertise of staff who are in the agenda

[0:03:16] Trustee Fast (probable): and the reports and with us today.

[0:03:19] Trustee Fast (probable): So together, we make up our participatory kind of democracy

[0:03:21] Trustee Fast (probable): that we've got in Canada at the local level.

[0:03:26] Trustee Fast (probable): And just so you know, we operate under the laws of British Columbia

[0:03:29] Trustee Fast (probable): to do with local government, so that's the Local Government Act

[0:03:32] Trustee Fast (probable): and the Community Charter, maybe some other bits and pieces here and there.

[0:03:37] Trustee Fast (probable): So this is, we appreciate you helping us.

[0:03:41] Trustee Fast (probable): keep the meeting open and respectful so that everybody

[0:03:45] Trustee Fast (probable): has a chance and feels invited to speak when the time comes on the agenda

[0:03:49] Trustee Fast (probable): and we can

[0:03:53] Trustee Fast (probable): work together to have a safe meeting place

[0:03:57] Trustee Fast (probable): for staff and for trustees and there's some

[0:04:01] Trustee Fast (probable): of the kind of meeting decorum rules that I'm sure everybody would expect

[0:04:06] Trustee Fast (probable): so that we can work together.

[0:04:08] Trustee Fast (probable): And I don't even know my notes about what to say in front of them, except, let's see, I think I've covered most of that.

[0:04:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Anything I'm missing in the introduction?

[0:04:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Nothing obvious?

[0:04:27] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, we've got, I'll just introduce the agenda today.

[0:04:31] Trustee Fast (probable): We've got an agenda, there's a number of them over there on the desk if you haven't got a copy.

[0:04:38] Trustee Fast (probable): And I've just got the cover page here, the rest of it is on this, on our gadgets.

[0:04:46] Trustee Fast (probable): So there's not so much printed paper, but they're over there.

[0:04:49] Voice 11: All the ones we've had are coming, are in the audience now.

[0:04:53] Voice 11: This is our full package, but you might need to start sharing.

[0:04:58] Voice 2: Oh, okay.

[0:04:59] Voice 2: I'll give, you can have one.

[0:05:01] Voice 2: Are you sure?

[0:05:01] Voice 1: I have no ethernet.

[0:05:03] Voice 2: Okay, there you go.

[0:05:04] Voice 1: Pretty much.

[0:05:05] Voice 1: Okay, good.

[0:05:06] Voice 1: Good.

[0:05:07] Trustee Fast (probable): And so thank you, Alex.

[0:05:09] Trustee Fast (probable): And so we know what we're doing.

[0:05:14] Trustee Fast (probable): We've got a, I've just called the meeting to order pretty soon.

[0:05:17] Trustee Fast (probable): We'll be approving the agenda and doing the reports and things like that.

[0:05:20] Trustee Fast (probable): And we'll come to town hall, then delegations, of which we've got two today.

[0:05:24] Trustee Fast (probable): And then we're into the rest of the meeting until about 11.45.

[0:05:28] Trustee Fast (probable): We've got a break scheduled and we're planning to be done by 2.45 today.

[0:05:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Today, Heather and I have to, as usual,

[0:05:39] Trustee Fast (probable): I'll find that there's a race for fairies, right?

[0:05:42] Trustee Fast (probable): So just letting people know about that.

[0:05:45] Trustee Fast (probable): And we've got, if there are applicants here,

[0:05:50] Trustee Fast (probable): you'll have a chance to speak when your application is on the agenda.

[0:05:55] Trustee Fast (probable): And those are the ones in section nine of the agenda.

[0:06:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[0:06:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Meeting's being recorded.

[0:06:05] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh, there's my notes.

[0:06:08] Trustee Fast (probable): On this camera, you'll see the camera move, don't worry about it, and I think that's it.

[0:06:17] Voice 8: Okay, I haven't done some of the things, like put my badge on, but we're going to skip that.

[0:06:24] Voice 8: Okay, so let me just pull up my limited

[0:06:31] Trustee Fast (probable): time to get here.

[0:06:32] Trustee Fast (probable): This is it.

[0:06:46] Voice 6: Okay, one second.

[0:06:48] Voice 6: Sorry.

[0:06:49] Voice 6: Upcoming Islands Trust.

[0:06:51] Voice 6: I'm so ill and doesn't have it.

[0:07:00] Voice 6: I might have to use that full one at some points there,

[0:07:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Heather, because it's not on my thing

[0:07:06] Voice 3: that

[0:07:08] Trustee Fast (probable): I can see.

[0:07:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Sorry about that.

[0:07:13] Trustee Fast (probable): We usually have everything all loaded up.

[0:07:15] Trustee Fast (probable): But if people need to look at it, please let me know.

[0:07:19] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:07:26] Trustee Fast (probable): So I'm going to center the camera here so that it will theoretically look at Grant and I.

[0:07:33] Trustee Fast (probable): I need to get

[0:07:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Grant in the picture.

[0:07:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Thanks, everybody, for keeping a good distance.

[0:07:41] Trustee Fast (probable): It thinks Heather is a trustee.

[0:07:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Look over here.

[0:07:44] Trustee Fast (probable): No.

[0:07:49] Trustee Fast (probable): There, maybe that would be better.

[0:07:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, it's got the three of us.

[0:07:57] Trustee Fast (probable): That's what the camera is really supposed to be for.

[0:07:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:08:01] Trustee Fast (probable): We've got an agenda before us.

[0:08:03] Trustee Fast (probable): It's time to approve the agenda.

[0:08:05] Trustee Fast (probable): Great.

[0:08:05] Trustee Fast (probable): You and I have talked about adding Hornby Venues and Connectivity.

[0:08:13] Trustee Fast (probable): Amir, where would you like to put that?

[0:08:16] Trustee Fast (probable): New business?

[0:08:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Hornby Venues and Connectivity.

[0:08:22] Trustee Fast (probable): I think we can put that under new business.

[0:08:25] Trustee Fast (probable): So that will be 12.5.

[0:08:27] Trustee Fast (probable): We just had a brief phone conversation about the weather and about, good, about phones and phone lines and that kind of thing.

[0:08:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, otherwise anybody else got anything they want to add to the agenda?

[0:08:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Then can I have a motion to approve the agenda?

[0:08:55] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[0:08:58] Voice 2: believe there's a correction on the agenda, that's pretty good.

[0:09:01] Trustee Fast (probable): We're going to get to them down here at 7 o'clock.

[0:09:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, okay.

[0:09:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes, here.

[0:09:07] Trustee Fast (probable): Here, I'll try and share this with you.

[0:09:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. And, um, great. Then we've got a seconder. Thank you. All in favor.

[0:09:16] Trustee Fast (probable): We've approved the agenda. Thank you. Um, can I just check in that Catherine

[0:09:21] Trustee Fast (probable): can hear us?

[0:09:21] Voice 11: For her to hear. Um, and, uh, my guess is that she's going to have to rely on the recording.

[0:09:31] Voice 11: Right. And it might not be worth trying to have her listen in. Right. She's having a hard time hearing.

[0:09:38] Voice 11: okay

[0:09:39] Trustee Fast (probable): it looks like it's recording um i agree it's going to be challenging why don't we just uh

[0:09:49] Trustee Fast (probable): release her from the phone line okay okay okay so we're so reliant on technology now we we uh

[0:10:00] Trustee Fast (probable): have tried several different ways with the phones but we're going to

[0:10:03] Trustee Fast (probable): going to rely on the recording for the minutes and um uh rising report i just want to let you

[0:10:10] Trustee Fast (probable): know that we did hold an in-camera

[0:10:12] Trustee Fast (probable): meeting on October

[0:10:14] Trustee Fast (probable): 8th, a brief one,

[0:10:16] Trustee Fast (probable): and that was at the end of our

[0:10:18] Trustee Fast (probable): previous meeting, and we adopted minutes.

[0:10:20] Trustee Fast (probable): That's what we did there.

[0:10:24] Trustee Fast (probable): That's

[0:10:25] Trustee Fast (probable): that part

[0:10:26] Trustee Fast (probable): from a previous closed meeting.

[0:10:29] Trustee Fast (probable): We have things that we

[0:10:30] Trustee Fast (probable): have to have in camera because of the

[0:10:32] Trustee Fast (probable): laws of the province that I

[0:10:34] Trustee Fast (probable): mentioned earlier.

[0:10:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Otherwise, we try and have open meetings.

[0:10:38] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, trustee reports. Who'd like

[0:10:40] Trustee Fast (probable): like to start? Thank you

[0:10:47] Voice 5: all. Thanks for coming, everybody.

[0:10:49] Voice 5: Bless you today. So last week, that trust council meeting was in Victoria. And there's

[0:11:01] Voice 5: a report I learned, there's a real advantage being down there with people because I met

[0:11:05] Voice 5: with Laura Patrick. She's a trustee from Salt Spring. And they're going through, you

[0:11:11] Voice 5: You know, housing problems, places for people to serve their economy.

[0:11:19] Voice 5: That's a huge thing down there.

[0:11:20] Voice 5: They can't get their hospital short of staff, and there's nowhere they can hire people.

[0:11:26] Voice 5: There's nowhere on Salt Spring for them to live.

[0:11:28] Voice 5: So you can see there's a lot of similarities between what's going on in Burma.

[0:11:32] Voice 5: So she's volunteered to come up here to talk to us at some time about this,

[0:11:38] Voice 5: and to our APC and to us or to how we want to effectively do that.

[0:11:43] Voice 5: I just found that very positive sitting with her.

[0:11:46] Voice 5: They've looked at all kinds of different options,

[0:11:48] Voice 5: what's going on in cities and Whistler and over to Fino, small communities,

[0:11:52] Voice 5: and still, you know, with the same objective we have, preserve and protect,

[0:11:56] Voice 5: and yet they need an economy, we need people,

[0:11:58] Voice 5: you know, we don't want to be overly restricted and all that.

[0:12:00] Voice 5: So trying to find that balance.

[0:12:02] Voice 5: And Salt Spring being much bigger, it's way more complicated.

[0:12:05] Voice 5: So anyway, it was really interesting meeting with her.

[0:12:08] Voice 5: And I also met with Deb Morrison, she's the chair of the Trust Program Committee, and she's, again, going to be responsible, that committee, for reviewing the policy, the whole policy statement, which kind of tells everybody what the rules are that we've got to live under.

[0:12:25] Voice 5: In broad terms, it's a guide, it's a policy statement, so there are official community plans and land use bylaws fit within that,

[0:12:33] Voice 5: and within the basic policy that comes down from the government, all the government agencies,

[0:12:39] Voice 5: which is to preserve and protect the environment of the islands, which was the original setup, as well as the amenities.

[0:12:47] Voice 5: So people are part of the environment, we're here, we've got to live here, we need an economy and all this stuff.

[0:12:52] Voice 5: so finding that balance is what this document's all about it's going to be it's it's already gone

[0:12:59] Voice 5: to one iteration and i have to say it uh was resoundingly uh supported and criticized so

[0:13:07] Voice 5: it's going back to a review and i'm going to be on the committee that does that review so

[0:13:13] Voice 5: i'm looking forward to it might not be the right word but um i think it's really important so

[0:13:19] Voice 5: And I met with Lisa Wilcox. She's the First Nations person there.

[0:13:24] Voice 5: And if you've been on these meetings, you know the whole thing about the thatch and down there.

[0:13:30] Voice 5: And the big problem for us is finding information. What's going on down there?

[0:13:34] Voice 5: You go down there and you see that the building's going on.

[0:13:37] Voice 5: And under the development permit, they're supposed to be building up first.

[0:13:42] Voice 5: And then the townhouse as well started the other way around.

[0:13:46] Voice 5: But why, we don't understand why, but apparently there was some kind of agreement between, again, this is part of your statement, which is why I'm here with Lisa, just about how that's going on. There's a kind of agreement between the Comox First Nation.

[0:14:02] Voice 5: so what that is so recognizing that the real limitation in the communications between

[0:14:08] Voice 5: komox and hornby and the trust at various levels because you know i don't want to make this a

[0:14:14] Voice 5: speech or anything but their lives well they're so complicated they've got to deal with housing

[0:14:18] Voice 5: health you know all the things of a small community that they have to deal with between

[0:14:23] Voice 5: treaty negotiations, fishery, you know, on and on and on.

[0:14:26] Voice 5: So where does Hornby fit into that?

[0:14:29] Voice 5: But they're hugely concerned over the burial sites,

[0:14:33] Voice 5: and apparently they started digging down there again,

[0:14:35] Voice 5: and somebody said that Evan's blown down in his machine,

[0:14:38] Voice 5: and apparently they dug up more layers of archbacks

[0:14:43] Voice 5: to make it more complicated.

[0:14:45] Voice 5: Yeah, so again, it fits under all the laws of the,

[0:14:49] Voice 5: not so much the trustee,

[0:14:51] Voice 5: but it gets into the whole arch branch

[0:14:52] Voice 5: and all the First Nations or Reconciliation.

[0:14:55] Voice 5: So it's very complicated,

[0:14:56] Voice 5: but Lisa's working hard to make that communication

[0:14:59] Voice 5: and connection between us and Comox.

[0:15:02] Voice 5: So we'll be able to report to you

[0:15:04] Voice 5: because people come up to us all the time.

[0:15:06] Voice 5: You know, for me, to be honest with you,

[0:15:09] Voice 5: I'd say, well, I can tell you what I know,

[0:15:11] Voice 5: but I don't know a whole lot.

[0:15:12] Voice 5: I'm trying to find out more.

[0:15:14] Voice 5: Well, that's not good enough, right?

[0:15:15] Voice 5: I don't wanna be able to tell people

[0:15:18] Voice 5: what they need to hear, right?

[0:15:20] Voice 5: so i meant the other thing i did is i met with claire frader she's the

[0:15:25] Voice 5: communication specialist down there about the possibility of us uh paying the powerpoint i

[0:15:30] Voice 5: think that's what we can put on the agenda there for a little bit later so i'll describe more about

[0:15:35] Voice 5: that

[0:15:36] Voice 6: so

[0:15:38] Voice 5: yeah and the other thing just being down there

[0:15:43] Voice 3: being in the room claire i'm sorry heather

[0:15:47] Voice 5: put together a business

[0:15:48] Voice 5: case for us that's going to come up on the agenda as well but

[0:15:51] Voice 5: And I'm going to say it now, I'll say it again, the fellow sitting beside me, Michael Cahill from Bowling, he's a real tough businessman, and getting anything past him, and three business cases were put forward and were rejected by the Finance Committee, and ours was one of them, to support us getting our OCP and land use bylaw review done,

[0:16:17] Voice 5: which is when the NLKPC have been so effective on them,

[0:16:21] Voice 5: it's going to be working together on the folks to get that finalized,

[0:16:26] Voice 5: and they turned it down.

[0:16:29] Voice 5: So we got it put back on the agenda, Alex and I got it back on the agenda,

[0:16:34] Voice 5: and blah, blah, blah.

[0:16:38] Voice 5: Blah, blah, blah.

[0:16:41] Voice 5: We got it passed, and Michael K. on the side, he said,

[0:16:44] Voice 5: as much as I hate ever increasing the budget,

[0:16:48] Voice 5: This is one of the best business cases we've seen, so we got our $15,000 back to do this.

[0:16:55] Voice 5: A huge part of that is because of the effectiveness of Wendy and the APC members,

[0:17:01] Voice 5: and Heather writing a really good business plan, and he said this is the

[0:17:06] Voice 5: best business plan I've ever seen.

[0:17:08] Voice 5: So, Heather, thank you, and I'm

[0:17:12] Trustee Fast (probable): going to stop here,

[0:17:13] Voice 5: or I'm going to get more fingers going around the city.

[0:17:16] Voice 5: Hurry up.

[0:17:16] Voice 5: Yeah, thank you. We'll

[0:17:18] Trustee Fast (probable): have more time to talk. But thank you very much. Okay, Trustee Allen.

[0:17:22] Voice 2: Okay, well, as opposed to Grant choosing, which might be with Gary Smithers, Trust Council staff, I was on Zoom with nine other people at the Trust Council.

[0:17:34] Voice 2: And yeah, that's great news that we got this back on board on the budget because we really

[0:17:42] Voice 2: need to get to the OCP review and it's been, even though it's only been, yeah, even five

[0:17:47] Voice 2: years old is old.

[0:17:51] Voice 2: So, yes, so that's terrific.

[0:18:00] Voice 2: Also, it'll be starting in April is when we're going to do the OCP review.

[0:18:04] Voice 2: It's going to take a year.

[0:18:05] Voice 2: That's the way things are going to be going, but there's going to be lots of public consultation

[0:18:09] Voice 2: for everybody to be involved and speaking of public consultation also I apologize to those

[0:18:15] Voice 2: of you that are at the hiring meeting for repeating myself but I see some of you weren't there

[0:18:19] Voice 2: so um the whole policy statement review where it's basically a second time around again and

[0:18:27] Voice 2: everybody was upset the way it was put out last year it was felt rushed the pandemic it was just

[0:18:32] Voice 2: just people weren't happy with the way we dealt with it so we've hired an insulting firm we're

[0:18:38] Voice 2: to try and do properly. So look out in January when there's going to be public notices, how

[0:18:43] Voice 2: you can get involved, I can say, but in the meantime, get on the website and do some background

[0:18:50] Voice 2: research. There's all sorts of information from trustee reports of what we felt should

[0:18:56] Voice 2: be highlighted or not highlighted based on our community, comments, etc. So I encourage

[0:19:03] Voice 2: to do that. And what else? Yeah, I attended a community forum with Cumberland and Comox

[0:19:14] Voice 2: and Corby and KFN and even the mayor from Sayward was there. It was all Zoom. It was,

[0:19:21] Voice 2: there was, I don't know, were you there, Sue? No, no, I

[0:19:25] Voice 6: leave that to you.

[0:19:26] Voice 6: I'm trying to

[0:19:26] Voice 6: think, there were probably over

[0:19:26] Voice 2: 60, not quite a highway meeting. We're having a very good

[0:19:33] Voice 2: attendance at the higher meetings but um yeah unfortunately because the power went off right

[0:19:37] Voice 2: at the beginning of the first hour our power went off so from nine to ten i was it was only nine to

[0:19:42] Voice 2: twelve so of course i missed all the introductions all the backstories and i felt kind of out of

[0:19:47] Voice 2: sorts but we basically just concentrated on uh resiliency and uh poverty basically

[0:19:55] Voice 2: and and then of course the higher meeting that's it's really great to zoom higher meetings it's

[0:19:59] Voice 2: amazing um i don't know whether you have that at your level but um it'd be really great in terms

[0:20:06] Voice 2: of tenants and uh yeah i really feel um i was talking to jan just before the meeting that

[0:20:12] Voice 2: very hopeful they all seem to be i don't know maybe i'm being a little too dreamy but uh i

[0:20:20] Voice 2: feel like we're kind of heading in a common direction i feel like we do want you know to

[0:20:25] Voice 2: look at our community how we feel about lots of things and i'm looking i'm encouraged where we're

[0:20:30] Voice 2: going to go with our

[0:20:31] Voice 2: recipe review and the bigger

[0:20:34] Voice 2: one, the policy state review.

[0:20:35] Voice 2: And by the way, the survey

[0:20:38] Voice 2: regarding the policy state review last

[0:20:40] Voice 2: year, and there was only

[0:20:42] Voice 2: 10 of us on the island, so come on, people,

[0:20:44] Voice 2: tell everybody, you know,

[0:20:46] Voice 2: stop complaining, get out there,

[0:20:48] Voice 2: get your voice out, and

[0:20:50] Voice 2: you know, we need more of you on data

[0:20:52] Voice 2: to represent our island.

[0:20:54] Voice 2: Okay, that's it, thank you.

[0:20:56] Voice 2: Thank you, Alex. Well,

[0:20:57] Trustee Fast (probable): I'll just be brief.

[0:20:59] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm on the

[0:21:00] Trustee Fast (probable): the executive committee. So we met just before Trust Council, which was November 30th to

[0:21:13] Trustee Fast (probable): December 2nd in Victoria. And you've heard about it from the other trustees. So I won't

[0:21:17] Trustee Fast (probable): go into that except to say that it was a hybrid. It was our first full hybrid meeting. So we

[0:21:22] Trustee Fast (probable): had Alex along with nine or 10 other people on Zoom and Grant and I and the other 10 or

[0:21:32] Trustee Fast (probable): 12 of us or whoever were there were in person. And it worked amazingly well. So I just thought

[0:21:39] Trustee Fast (probable): you'd like to know because we're starting to hear demand for Zoom. People want to come

[0:21:44] Trustee Fast (probable): into meetings from the public remotely. And why not? Now that we've all got experience

[0:21:50] Trustee Fast (probable): with it. So we're trying to use these tools and it depends on how much infrastructure

[0:21:55] Trustee Fast (probable): structure we've got to work with. So I wanted to mention that. And Alex has mentioned more

[0:22:03] Trustee Fast (probable): public comment on the trust policy update policy statement, which is great. We've also

[0:22:09] Trustee Fast (probable): got a budget consultation that will be coming out soon for the budget, that budget that

[0:22:15] Trustee Fast (probable): we passed the draft for will be coming back to us in March. That'll be the final kick

[0:22:21] Trustee Fast (probable): kick at it. So the more people from Hornby

[0:22:25] Trustee Fast (probable): fill in the budget consultation when it comes as well, that's a good idea

[0:22:29] Trustee Fast (probable): too. So we can

[0:22:32] Trustee Fast (probable): do that. And otherwise,

[0:22:39] Trustee Fast (probable): because I'm on the executive committee, we make up

[0:22:42] Trustee Fast (probable): the group for the Bolinas-Winchelsea local trust area. So I did that.

[0:22:46] Trustee Fast (probable): They've got a total of two people living in that

[0:22:51] Trustee Fast (probable): residents in that local trust area that's an interesting one lots of kelp and otherwise

[0:22:58] Trustee Fast (probable): I've got a Bowen Island Municipal Council meeting on Monday night because that's the

[0:23:04] Trustee Fast (probable): one that's a municipality and and I'm on that committee too and we'll continue on thank you

[0:23:14] Trustee Fast (probable): contact us if you've got questions about any of us after the meeting would be great

[0:23:19] Trustee Fast (probable): they happen to give more info electoral areas directors report Daniel's not here

[0:23:24] Trustee Fast (probable): so we'll just move on to town hall so this part of the meeting is where we've

[0:23:31] Trustee Fast (probable): got 20 minutes oh no sorry that's delegations you've got 10 minutes for

[0:23:37] Trustee Fast (probable): town hall so this is the part where I think of it as public comments and we

[0:23:43] Trustee Fast (probable): We want to listen to you and your ideas and your suggestions and your local knowledge.

[0:23:52] Trustee Fast (probable): And so I would ask if there's a – and I'm going to keep – if you could just keep it down to two minutes, that would be great.

[0:24:01] Trustee Fast (probable): And who would like to speak in the town hall?

[0:24:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, we've got a couple of people.

[0:24:07] Trustee Fast (probable): All right.

[0:24:09] Trustee Fast (probable): And I think we've got you as a delegation as well, right?

[0:24:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes, okay.

[0:24:13] Trustee Fast (probable): Good.

[0:24:14] Trustee Fast (probable): so uh i saw your hand first you want to go ahead say your name and your association with the island

[0:24:19] Trustee Fast (probable): maybe where you live well

[0:24:20] Voice 10: my name is wendy burton and i'm a resident of hornby island and i wanted

[0:24:23] Voice 10: to encourage the local trustees to certainly listen to the responses to the uh the draft

[0:24:32] Voice 10: policy statement from the trust but to consider where much of that commentary that i've been

[0:24:39] Voice 10: hearing is coming from i've been engaged in community forums on facebook and on twitter

[0:24:46] Voice 10: listening and the inflammatory commentary that has nothing to do with what's actually in the

[0:24:52] Voice 10: document is really disturbing to me because whenever anyone says um well where do you see

[0:24:59] Voice 10: that in the document you get a barrage of inflammatory quite nasty commentary and so

[0:25:09] Voice 10: At times I hear folks

[0:25:11] Trustee Fast (probable): saying, oh, I don't know, it's terrible, it's bad, it's not being consulted.

[0:25:16] Trustee Fast (probable): That's not what I see.

[0:25:19] Trustee Fast (probable): What I see is a campaign of misinformation, we all know how those work,

[0:25:25] Trustee Fast (probable): that is eroding the consultation that's actually taking place.

[0:25:30] Voice 10: So I encourage you to listen to, dare I say, the reasoned, informed voices

[0:25:36] Voice 10: and to put the ill-informed, misinformed where they belong. Thank you.

[0:25:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. And I just want to say for future speakers, thank you for keeping the language moderate.

[0:25:55] Trustee Fast (probable): And all voices are welcome here. And so if you could tell us your name and your association with the island.

[0:26:04] Trustee Fast (probable): My name is Helen Rond. I'm a resident for 30 years.

[0:26:11] Trustee Fast (probable): I have at many times in the past involved myself in trust activities.

[0:26:16] Trustee Fast (probable): I have a busy life. I've been involved in many committees over the years, many initiatives.

[0:26:24] Trustee Fast (probable): I feel I know the community very well.

[0:26:26] Trustee Fast (probable): I want to speak on a broader basis.

[0:26:28] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm grateful to hear that we're going to have some time to carefully look at this revised policy statement.

[0:26:36] Trustee Fast (probable): I must admit, I am not at this point informed. I recently found out about it.

[0:26:42] Trustee Fast (probable): We've all been quite isolated and it's really hard to get into the swing of what's happening in our community.

[0:26:49] Trustee Fast (probable): But I wanted to talk about something that is very important to me.

[0:26:54] Voice 10: When I first arrived in this community 30 years ago, I was very enthralled with the trust.

[0:26:59] Voice 10: I was really grateful that we had that level

[0:27:01] Trustee Fast (probable): of governance.

[0:27:05] Trustee Fast (probable): It was very obvious. I'm a rabid environmentalist. It was very obvious that these islands needed protection.

[0:27:13] Trustee Fast (probable): Of course, we've all heard the horror stories of

[0:27:16] Voice 1: an inaugural realty.

[0:27:17] Voice 1: And, you know, we were very grateful for one of our founding community members, Hillary Brown, who started the trust.

[0:27:25] Trustee Fast (probable): That was all fine.

[0:27:27] Trustee Fast (probable): And then about 20 years ago, there was a sense, and it was not just held by me,

[0:27:34] Trustee Fast (probable): it was held by a lot of people who had sort of followed the process of the trust activities,

[0:27:39] Trustee Fast (probable): became concerned about the fact that the Islands Trust, which is essentially a land use governance body,

[0:27:49] Trustee Fast (probable): became very involved in many other aspects of community life.

[0:27:54] Trustee Fast (probable): And we started seeing initiatives and we started seeing a direction that was somewhat alarming.

[0:28:02] Trustee Fast (probable): We have many levels of governance on Hornby, I don't know, I think I count about six.

[0:28:07] Trustee Fast (probable): um there there's many competing um oversight areas we have multiple levels i could mention

[0:28:15] Trustee Fast (probable): something like fisheries we have many levels of governments already um and so it becomes very

[0:28:21] Trustee Fast (probable): complex to understand how our community tiny as it is isolated with many different um challenges

[0:28:29] Trustee Fast (probable): challenges, and could manage with all this level of governance.

[0:28:36] Trustee Fast (probable): We have had issues on Hornet that are now becoming clear all over the world.

[0:28:40] Trustee Fast (probable): We've had a housing problem forever.

[0:28:43] Trustee Fast (probable): We are very restricted in what we can do for economic activities.

[0:28:49] Trustee Fast (probable): We have had many failed initiatives.

[0:28:52] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm not necessarily blaming the Trust, I really don't understand it well enough, but we have

[0:28:56] Trustee Fast (probable): never been able to develop commercial space.

[0:28:59] Trustee Fast (probable): So that limits our capacity to do those sorts of activities.

[0:29:03] Trustee Fast (probable): You know, we have ferry issues, and this has been a huge predicament for us over the years

[0:29:09] Trustee Fast (probable): as to ensure that we have secure access to Vancouver Island.

[0:29:15] Trustee Fast (probable): I could go on and on, and I will try not to.

[0:29:19] Trustee Fast (probable): But what I have really seen is that over these last 30 years,

[0:29:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Our lives are not being made easier.

[0:29:29] Trustee Fast (probable): All these initiatives have not resulted in concrete action.

[0:29:33] Trustee Fast (probable): We still don't have social housing in spite of, I myself was on that committee,

[0:29:37] Trustee Fast (probable): many years of trying to secure low-cost housing.

[0:29:42] Trustee Fast (probable): We have, you know, certainly business opportunities on the island are very restricted.

[0:29:49] Trustee Fast (probable): We have become so dependent on tourism.

[0:29:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Tourism has always been a part of this community,

[0:29:53] Trustee Fast (probable): that tourism has replaced proper livelihoods in many communities all over D.C.

[0:30:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Meanwhile, you know, I grew up on a family farm and this is a neighbourhood where family farms have been in families for generations and we're able to support families.

[0:30:11] Trustee Fast (probable): I watched all those family farms disappear. Then I watched local manufacturing disappear.

[0:30:17] Trustee Fast (probable): We became globalized and all of that became a lot shorter. We no longer produced our own food. We no longer made things.

[0:30:24] Trustee Fast (probable): And, you know, this was very apparent to all of us that this quality of our life has diminished.

[0:30:31] Trustee Fast (probable): One

[0:30:31] Voice 10: would almost feel that there was some kind of an agenda behind this process.

[0:30:36] Voice 10: And in fact, there is an agenda behind this process.

[0:30:40] Trustee Fast (probable): This is an agenda called Agenda 21.

[0:30:42] Trustee Fast (probable): It was initiated in 1992 by the United Nations.

[0:30:46] Trustee Fast (probable): And it is a very thorough document which lays out the plans.

[0:30:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Now, how does this affect us here on Worthy Island?

[0:30:53] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, Agenda

[0:30:54] Voice 10: 21 was adopted by virtually every country.

[0:30:57] Voice 10: I believe 109 nations signed on to this.

[0:31:00] Voice 10: When I first heard about this over a decade ago, I couldn't believe my ears.

[0:31:04] Trustee Fast (probable): I thought for sure it was a conspiracy theory.

[0:31:06] Trustee Fast (probable): But there's no way that organizations in Switzerland can affect our everyday lives.

[0:31:12] Trustee Fast (probable): But in fact, they have affected our everyday lives.

[0:31:15] Trustee Fast (probable): And we've done it mainly through planning commissions, local planning commissions,

[0:31:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Which is not to say that the Islands Trust isn't even aware of this.

[0:31:24] Trustee Fast (probable): I talked to Alex a few years, he's never heard of Agenda 21.

[0:31:28] Trustee Fast (probable): But it's the most important document affecting our everyday lives right now.

[0:31:32] Trustee Fast (probable): And I think it's really important that we bring this out into the open.

[0:31:36] Trustee Fast (probable): I realize that there's a lot to say about it.

[0:31:39] Trustee Fast (probable): But there are 17 points that the Agenda 21 lays out, which is our future.

[0:31:46] Trustee Fast (probable): The future of every country in this world is essentially being affected by this.

[0:31:50] Trustee Fast (probable): I just want you to mention one thing, the Goal 10, to reduce inequality with and among countries.

[0:31:58] Trustee Fast (probable): What have you seen since this was initiated?

[0:32:00] Trustee Fast (probable): We have seen most of the middle class decimated and the wealth going to the very people who control the UN.

[0:32:06] Trustee Fast (probable): These are some very powerful wealthy people. They are now controlling their everyday lives.

[0:32:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Can I ask if you could focus your comments to things that the Local Trust Committee can help with?

[0:32:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Right. So, this is with regard to the revised policy statement.

[0:32:25] Trustee Fast (probable): I believe that the revised policy statement is

[0:32:28] Voice 10: enacting many of these goals of Agenda 21, which of course was the goal of Agenda 21.

[0:32:33] Voice 10: I

[0:32:34] Trustee Fast (probable): believe that on every level, the goals of Agenda 21 have had the opposite effect on our lives.

[0:32:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Our environment is not protected, in spite of all the initiatives for the environment.

[0:32:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Our livelihoods are affected. Inequality, we know what's happened.

[0:32:51] Trustee Fast (probable): So when we go down this list, we realize that the opposite has happened in every one of these initiatives.

[0:32:56] Trustee Fast (probable): But meanwhile, the governance is getting stronger and stronger, and that's in these goals.

[0:33:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. That's over five minutes, so I'm going to ask you to stop, but I want to invite you and anybody to have your say.

[0:33:07] Trustee Fast (probable): You can email your comments. I can see you've spent time putting them together, and I appreciate that.

[0:33:12] Trustee Fast (probable): You can email them to islands2050 at islandstrust.bc.ca, and there's information on the website, and we can help you connect with that

[0:33:26] Trustee Fast (probable): so that you can make your input and that you carefully put together into the planning process

[0:33:32] Trustee Fast (probable): so that it's in front of the people that are the committee and the that kind of thing so i'd like to

[0:33:41] Trustee Fast (probable): what i'm asking the

[0:33:42] Voice 1: trustees and i have 20 questions i know they have love in their

[0:33:46] Voice 1: heart for this community and we all want the same things for you i ask you to educate yourself on

[0:33:51] Voice 1: of Agenda 21.

[0:33:53] Trustee Fast (probable): It's the most important thing.

[0:33:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Send

[0:33:55] Voice 5: us a copy, please.

[0:33:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Agenda 21 is a very big document.

[0:33:59] Trustee Fast (probable): If

[0:33:59] Voice 3: you could send

[0:33:59] Trustee Fast (probable): a link or phone them

[0:34:01] Trustee Fast (probable): and give them information, that'd be great.

[0:34:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Sure.

[0:34:03] Trustee Fast (probable): That's a good invitation.

[0:34:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much.

[0:34:05] Trustee Fast (probable): And I invite Alex and Brad, if you'd like,

[0:34:07] Trustee Fast (probable): for a bottle of wine, and I will go into great detail

[0:34:10] Trustee Fast (probable): about what this is.

[0:34:11] Voice 2: He just wants coffee.

[0:34:13] Voice 2: I do the wine.

[0:34:13] Voice 2: Okay.

[0:34:16] Trustee Fast (probable): Reminding everybody that the meeting's being recorded.

[0:34:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Right.

[0:34:18] Voice 2: Right.

[0:34:19] Voice 2: Okay.

[0:34:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much.

[0:34:21] Trustee Fast (probable): Is there anybody else who would like to speak during the town hall?

[0:34:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead, please.

[0:34:25] Trustee Fast (probable): You've got two minutes.

[0:34:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Two minutes?

[0:34:27] Voice 1: Oh, my God.

[0:34:27] Voice 1: Well, mine's much more mundane.

[0:34:30] Voice 1: I did write a letter this morning.

[0:34:32] Voice 1: I didn't get

[0:34:33] Trustee Fast (probable): any notification that I was a near neighbor of a proposal.

[0:34:37] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh,

[0:34:37] Voice 6: this has to do with an application?

[0:34:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[0:34:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[0:34:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Can you make sure that Heather gets a copy over here?

[0:34:43] Trustee Fast (probable): I will.

[0:34:44] Trustee Fast (probable): I thought I would give the – I've got three copies.

[0:34:47] Trustee Fast (probable): I thought I would give them to you guys so that you can follow along,

[0:34:50] Trustee Fast (probable): and I'll give this one to Heather when we get done.

[0:34:52] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:34:53] Voice 5: You know what's on the agenda.

[0:34:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Are we ready?

[0:34:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, but this is the time for the public to speak.

[0:35:00] Trustee Fast (probable): If I

[0:35:01] Voice 1: was going to have any input, I understood this was...

[0:35:04] Voice 1: Okay.

[0:35:05] Trustee Fast (probable): This is to do with the 10% lot fundage waiver request for the Wexel application.

[0:35:13] Trustee Fast (probable): application. Here in the neighborhood of the Wetzel's, our north property line abuts their

[0:35:22] Trustee Fast (probable): southern property line, and my son also owns a piece of, my son and I own our property on

[0:35:30] Trustee Fast (probable): C Cullen Road. It's actually on St. John's Point Road, but it runs along C Dollar,

[0:35:37] Voice 1: and my son owns what used to be Charlie Stonehouse's house, which is on the other

[0:35:43] Voice 1: side of the c dollar trail

[0:35:44] Voice 10: you probably are both familiar with the c

[0:35:48] Voice 1: dollar trail easement well

[0:35:52] Voice 1: apparently that was really only ever a logging road it was originally a logging road

[0:35:56] Voice 1: and when uh that piece was grandfathered

[0:36:00] Trustee Fast (probable): uh highways considered it the frontage the required

[0:36:06] Trustee Fast (probable): furniture so it's never that's never been maintained as a road it's a it's a it's a very

[0:36:14] Trustee Fast (probable): It's about as steep as the Denman Hill, or maybe even steeper, very rutted, runs up,

[0:36:19] Trustee Fast (probable): runs along a little short plateau, and then comes down a steep on the other side, and

[0:36:24] Trustee Fast (probable): then heads into a riparian area right there at the boundary of the two properties.

[0:36:29] Trustee Fast (probable): It's riparian.

[0:36:30] Trustee Fast (probable): There's a seasonal stream, and quite a bit of water drainage goes that way.

[0:36:35] Trustee Fast (probable): And I wish I didn't have this mask on.

[0:36:39] Trustee Fast (probable): I know.

[0:36:39] Trustee Fast (probable): It's hard to speak.

[0:36:40] Trustee Fast (probable): I know.

[0:36:51] Voice 1: We

[0:36:52] Trustee Fast (probable): totally support the Wetzels in their proposal to subdivide their property, but we're not sure that this approach via that direction is the best one.

[0:37:05] Trustee Fast (probable): because

[0:37:05] Voice 1: basically, according to this map,

[0:37:10] Voice 1: there's 101 meters of developed road access,

[0:37:14] Voice 1: but it's not developed.

[0:37:16] Voice 1: It's ruts, it only serves as a driveway

[0:37:18] Voice 1: for our two properties up at the top,

[0:37:20] Voice 1: so it's really one family.

[0:37:22] Voice 1: Very few cars

[0:37:23] Trustee Fast (probable): come down it, just basically my son,

[0:37:26] Trustee Fast (probable): because my house is where I live on that property.

[0:37:30] Trustee Fast (probable): It comes out of the sea dollar

[0:37:32] Trustee Fast (probable): where it's developed for vehicles.

[0:37:33] Trustee Fast (probable): So it's very little traffic, but what there is a lot of is bicycle traffic.

[0:37:40] Trustee Fast (probable): That trail is extremely popular, and people come roaring down that hill and out onto the vehicle.

[0:37:48] Trustee Fast (probable): So it's already a dangerous situation in terms of cars and vehicles, I mean bicycles.

[0:37:53] Trustee Fast (probable): They can be zooming out and straight into the whatever small traffic, the amount of traffic that's on C dollar.

[0:38:01] Trustee Fast (probable): So they have been in their accidents that way.

[0:38:03] Trustee Fast (probable): And

[0:38:04] Voice 1: then they zoom down the other side going the other way.

[0:38:06] Voice 1: They zoom down and go.

[0:38:07] Voice 1: I mean, it's lots of

[0:38:08] Trustee Fast (probable): fun for them, but it's not really a developed road access.

[0:38:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Highway never comes up it.

[0:38:16] Trustee Fast (probable): And BC

[0:38:16] Voice 10: Hydro built a pole right in the easement, the middle of the easement

[0:38:21] Voice 1: for Charlie's house.

[0:38:24] Trustee Fast (probable): So it's problematic.

[0:38:26] Trustee Fast (probable): And then to me, what's more problematic even is the riparian area, because that is right at the boundary.

[0:38:34] Trustee Fast (probable): So if you look at this map, their proposed

[0:38:39] Voice 1: driveway is right in that riparian area.

[0:38:44] Voice 1: Whereas if you come from the other direction and you come from the end of Anderson,

[0:38:48] Voice 1: Anderson. It's about the same amount

[0:38:51] Trustee Fast (probable): of flow would need to be built as this proposal. It's

[0:38:57] Trustee Fast (probable): about 60, they say 64 meters here. It would be about 64 meters or 65 meters to come from

[0:39:04] Trustee Fast (probable): the Anderson direction. And there is a hill there too, but it's much less steep and it's

[0:39:11] Trustee Fast (probable): much drier. It's another no riparian

[0:39:12] Voice 1: problem.

[0:39:14] Trustee Fast (probable): So I was just concerned that,

[0:39:18] Voice 1: I mean, I'm

[0:39:18] Voice 1: I was in support of the 10% waiver,

[0:39:21] Voice 1: but I'm concerned that implicit in this application

[0:39:24] Voice 1: is the

[0:39:25] Trustee Fast (probable): plan.

[0:39:27] Trustee Fast (probable): And so I just wanted to have you guys maybe,

[0:39:32] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't know how much this is high waste responsibility

[0:39:34] Trustee Fast (probable): and how much it's trust,

[0:39:36] Trustee Fast (probable): but just to have a look at the two options.

[0:39:39] Trustee Fast (probable): I mean, I can see why they would rather prefer

[0:39:41] Trustee Fast (probable): to come the C dollar way because that gets them on

[0:39:43] Trustee Fast (probable): to St. John's instead of having to go

[0:39:45] Trustee Fast (probable): like everybody on Anderson,

[0:39:47] Trustee Fast (probable): something all the way around right not it's not a favorite way but uh anyway i

[0:39:55] Trustee Fast (probable): just wanted to

[0:39:55] Trustee Fast (probable): attend thank you very much and to say as new neighbors we're totally in favor than having

[0:40:00] Trustee Fast (probable): this subdivision we're just not we and we don't want to inherit the financial expense of maintaining

[0:40:06] Trustee Fast (probable): that road and and you know even though the vessels might or i'm sure would be very good people to be

[0:40:13] Trustee Fast (probable): be partners with, but that property might change hands, and then you don't know what

[0:40:19] Trustee Fast (probable): you're inheriting.

[0:40:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, thank you very much for bringing this local knowledge in, and for Heather, thank

[0:40:28] Trustee Fast (probable): you, and if you

[0:40:29] Trustee Fast (probable): have the ability to email that, then that would be great if you could

[0:40:36] Trustee Fast (probable): email it to North Inco?

[0:40:51] Voice 10: The easiest

[0:40:52] Trustee Fast (probable): email to send it to is

[0:41:05] Trustee Fast (probable): is northinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca,

[0:41:08] Trustee Fast (probable): and then Heather will make sure it gets to the proper staff person.

[0:41:13] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you very much.

[0:41:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Anybody else wish to speak in town hall?

[0:41:17] Trustee Fast (probable): We're a little bit over now.

[0:41:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you, everybody.

[0:41:21] Trustee Fast (probable): Then we're going to move on to delegations.

[0:41:25] Trustee Fast (probable): And this is...

[0:41:27] Voice 2: It's never been warm in here.

[0:41:29] Voice 2: Don't turn the heat up.

[0:41:29] Voice 2: It's never been cold.

[0:41:32] Voice 2: You're cold.

[0:41:33] Voice 2: You're cold.

[0:41:34] Voice 6: What if the phone

[0:41:35] Trustee Fast (probable): was up to the red heart?

[0:41:45] Trustee Fast (probable): It's cooling down, yeah. I can feel it too.

[0:41:54] Trustee Fast (probable): That's a good point, actually. I'm going to get up to get my jacket in a minute.

[0:41:57] Trustee Fast (probable): First, let's invite Wendy Burton, Chair of the Advisory Planning Commission, to present her report.

[0:42:06] Trustee Fast (probable): And this is on pages 4 to 50 of the agenda.

[0:42:11] Trustee Fast (probable): This is the work that the Advisory Planning Commission has been doing.

[0:42:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Please take it away, Wendy.

[0:42:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:42:16] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[0:42:17] Voice 10: want to just remind us all what the referral was that the APC had undertaken.

[0:42:24] Voice 10: On March 26, 2021, the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee resolution relating to the referral for the APC was confirmed.

[0:42:34] Voice 10: to ask Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[0:42:37] Voice 10: to present the advisory planning commission

[0:42:39] Voice 10: for broad recommendation for official community plan

[0:42:42] Voice 10: and land use bylaw amendments

[0:42:44] Voice 10: with topic areas of focus,

[0:42:46] Voice 10: First Nations short-term vacation rental housing

[0:42:49] Voice 10: and the referring area development permit.

[0:42:53] Voice 10: The APC elected to put the First Nations

[0:42:58] Voice 10: inclusion of language as first

[0:43:02] Voice 10: because we saw it as really a wordsmithing.

[0:43:05] Voice 10: What we looked at in the ABC was a document

[0:43:09] Voice 10: that essentially, for the most part,

[0:43:11] Voice 10: in all of the pages is silent on anything to do

[0:43:16] Voice 10: with Indigenous Occupation of Farmer Island.

[0:43:19] Voice 10: There just was no language there available.

[0:43:23] Voice 10: And so what we did was to review the document

[0:43:26] Voice 10: and to make recommendations to the local trustees

[0:43:31] Voice 10: to do with a more inclusive language to recognize that for thousands of years

[0:43:39] Voice 10: there was a persistent, permanent occupation on this island.

[0:43:45] Voice 10: So I'm here to really give you some examples.

[0:43:50] Voice 10: Unfortunately, the document that you have in your agenda package

[0:43:53] Voice 10: obscures the changes that we

[0:43:56] Trustee Fast (probable): recommend through no fault of anyone.

[0:43:59] Trustee Fast (probable): one it simply obscures the uh the wonderful track changes that you see in a word document

[0:44:06] Trustee Fast (probable): which i have sent to the trustee and uh and that's unfortunate because it makes it very difficult for

[0:44:12] Trustee Fast (probable): all of us to

[0:44:13] Voice 10: see the recommendations we

[0:44:16] Trustee Fast (probable): consider none of these to be substantial

[0:44:19] Voice 10: changes to the ocp we don't

[0:44:23] Trustee Fast (probable): believe that we have made with one possible exception

[0:44:25] Voice 10: any recommendations

[0:44:27] Voice 10: beyond being more inclusive.

[0:44:30] Voice 10: And so let me give you an example.

[0:44:33] Voice 10: In section 1.3, this is the current language.

[0:44:38] Voice 10: And I'm referring now to the consolidated version of 2016.

[0:44:43] Voice 10: And I'll explain that in a moment.

[0:44:45] Voice 10: 1.3, this is the existing language.

[0:44:48] Trustee Fast (probable): To preserve and protect the trust area

[0:44:50] Trustee Fast (probable): and its unique amenities and environment

[0:44:54] Trustee Fast (probable): for the benefit of the residents of the trust area

[0:44:57] Trustee Fast (probable): and of the

[0:44:58] Voice 10: province generally,

[0:44:59] Voice 10: in cooperation with municipalities,

[0:45:02] Voice 10: regional districts, improvement districts,

[0:45:05] Voice 10: other persons and organizations,

[0:45:07] Voice 10: and the government of the province.

[0:45:09] Voice 10: And what we are recommending is that

[0:45:12] Voice 10: what be inserted here is

[0:45:14] Voice 10: in cooperation with relevant Indigenous communities,

[0:45:21] Voice 10: municipalities, regional districts, improvement districts,

[0:45:24] Voice 10: other persons and organizations,

[0:45:26] Voice 10: and the government about the problems.

[0:45:29] Voice 10: And there's probably 40 of those,

[0:45:33] Voice 10: including all the...

[0:45:34] Voice 10: We just think that it needs to be explicit

[0:45:39] Voice 10: that in cooperation with relevant Indigenous communities

[0:45:43] Voice 10: is a matter of reconciliation.

[0:45:45] Voice 10: It is recommended by Lisa Wilcox.

[0:45:49] Voice 10: It is really no contest, I would suggest.

[0:45:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Are you trying to...

[0:45:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, I just want to, if you could pause for a second, wasn't that change made in the Act? Do you remember?

[0:46:03] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't remember, sorry.

[0:46:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Very recently there were some changes made by the province, and it's possible that that, I believe that was added because you're reading from the object there, and the object was adjusted, I believe, to add First Nations.

[0:46:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[0:46:20] Trustee Fast (probable): And anyway, but carry on.

[0:46:22] Trustee Fast (probable): So these are the kinds of changes. We are simply trying to bring the OCP in line with what is currently language-centred.

[0:46:30] Trustee Fast (probable): I wanted to make that point that we do not consider this to be problematic

[0:46:35] Voice 10: or controversial.

[0:46:38] Voice 10: This is language that has now been enacted in the province. It's absent in our OCP.

[0:46:44] Voice 10: The one that got the fire in our hair was on 1.4, Historical Perspectives.

[0:46:53] Trustee Fast (probable): And I will, with your permission, read this.

[0:46:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Someone has said that people without history can have no vision.

[0:47:00] Trustee Fast (probable): The people of Horme Island are standing on history.

[0:47:04] Trustee Fast (probable): It is found in the remnants of snake fences and in the derelict orchards,

[0:47:10] Trustee Fast (probable): in the

[0:47:10] Voice 10: blackened shell-plucked soil around the shores,

[0:47:13] Voice 10: and in the indigenous trees and shrubs for which the first people took their sustenance.

[0:47:20] Voice 10: Our feeling about that is, well, we will, in this language, recognize the indigenous trees.

[0:47:26] Voice 10: The people who occupy this land are completely absent from this statement.

[0:47:33] Voice 10: Absent.

[0:47:34] Voice 10: As if they had never been here.

[0:47:37] Voice 10: And so what we have recommended, and this is probably the most

[0:47:40] Trustee Fast (probable): substantial recommendation that we have,

[0:47:42] Trustee Fast (probable): map, is the following. Perhaps the phrase of people without history can have no vision

[0:47:50] Trustee Fast (probable): for the future was an attitude of European settlers in the 1800s on Hornby Island and

[0:47:56] Trustee Fast (probable): elsewhere around the Sao Si. That recent history

[0:48:00] Voice 10: on Hornby is in the remnants of snake fences

[0:48:02] Voice 10: and derelict orchards of settlers. However, the present population is standing on a much

[0:48:09] Voice 10: a longer history found in the blackened shell-flecked soil and shoreline mittens, in upland

[0:48:15] Voice 10: pits for preparation of food or shelter, further inland in trees modified for cedar bark for

[0:48:22] Voice 10: clothing baskets and nests, and in the oral history of plants and shrubs

[0:48:27] Trustee Fast (probable): from which the

[0:48:27] Trustee Fast (probable): first peoples took their sustenance. That long oral history covers thousands of years

[0:48:35] Trustee Fast (probable): years of

[0:48:36] Voice 10: the use and occupation of Hornby Island before contact. I think you can see

[0:48:42] Voice 10: the significance of that addition. It recognizes the land that those of us occupied currently

[0:48:49] Voice 10: are standing upon, and I believe addresses a serious omission. And with respect, we are

[0:48:56] Voice 10: asking the local trustees to accept that language, partly based on my

[0:49:02] Trustee Fast (probable): own expertise, which I

[0:49:03] Trustee Fast (probable): are brought to the ATC as someone who has worked on inclusive language

[0:49:08] Voice 10: and history in

[0:49:10] Voice 10: the Stalo Nation for almost 40 years. So this is not pencil,

[0:49:15] Trustee Fast (probable): this is not undocumented, this

[0:49:19] Trustee Fast (probable): is not unsubstantiated.

[0:49:22] Voice 10: This is the reality of the properties on which we are presently

[0:49:27] Voice 10: be served. Otherwise, the document we have before you, I think it's difficult for you

[0:49:37] Voice 10: to see the changes that we've made. Most of them are really in just adding two or three

[0:49:43] Voice 10: words. The one question we have for you, and we understand that Lisa Wilcox will look at

[0:49:49] Voice 10: this language and make recommendations around, when we talk about the traditional territory

[0:49:56] Voice 10: territory of Marneville

[0:49:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Island, there's about five different ways that can be expressed.

[0:50:01] Trustee Fast (probable): With five different nations, and as someone who's been involved in land claims in this

[0:50:08] Trustee Fast (probable): fellow country for many, many years, I know how tricky it is to get that right.

[0:50:15] Trustee Fast (probable): As far

[0:50:15] Voice 10: as we know, and can determine now, the Pentlatch and Comox people are the people

[0:50:22] Voice 10: that this is their traditional territory,

[0:50:25] Voice 10: which is to say the territory that they occupied.

[0:50:29] Voice 10: There are five other nations that traveled through

[0:50:31] Voice 10: and those are recognized.

[0:50:34] Voice 10: So I'm sort of leaving it with you to ask Lisa

[0:50:39] Voice 10: to make a clarifying statement

[0:50:42] Voice 10: and one that we can justify for a question,

[0:50:45] Voice 10: we can justify for a question

[0:50:49] Voice 10: when we do a land acknowledgement.

[0:50:52] Voice 10: That's really all that I had to say except that we really appreciated the opportunity to do this work and the APC is now moving on to housing and short-term rentals.

[0:51:04] Voice 10: We're reviewing the land use bylaws and the OCP and preparing to make recommendations to the local trust by March.

[0:51:13] Trustee Fast (probable): March. We have engaged six resource people to sit with us to

[0:51:19] Voice 10: do this work

[0:51:20] Voice 10: and we're underway. It's going. Very good.

[0:51:26] Voice 10: The trustees have any questions, I'm happy to answer.

[0:51:29] Voice 2: Thank you, Wendy. Go ahead.

[0:51:31] Voice 2: Just a point of clarification in terms of the process here and that we're going through an OCP review.

[0:51:39] Voice 2: Are we going to wait until we get to that stage regarding these recommendations?

[0:51:42] Voice 2: recommendation at this point, are we going to send these to the

[0:51:44] Voice 2: regional courts to look at them?

[0:51:46] Voice 2: That's the closest I can get to that.

[0:51:50] Voice 11: Go ahead, Heather.

[0:51:51] Voice 11: Is

[0:51:51] Voice 2: there a motion?

[0:51:53] Voice 11: Yeah, there's no motion that we're participating in right

[0:51:57] Voice 11: now.

[0:51:58] Voice 11: The way that we've understood this would work, because it

[0:52:02] Voice 11: hasn't been a funded project, you know, from a staff

[0:52:05] Voice 11: perspective, and it won't be until April.

[0:52:08] Voice 11: The way that we've understood it would work is the APC would

[0:52:12] Voice 11: would come to the LTC with a final report,

[0:52:17] Voice 11: a set of recommendations,

[0:52:21] Voice 11: and that would be their recommendation to you.

[0:52:24] Voice 11: And then you would take that set of recommendations

[0:52:28] Voice 11: and staff would put together a public charter.

[0:52:32] Voice 11: Essentially, we're then taking that report

[0:52:35] Voice 11: and initiating a project,

[0:52:37] Voice 11: which then we would take away and analyze

[0:52:40] Voice 11: and that's kind of how that process would work at least it probably wouldn't look at it until

[0:52:52] Voice 11: that time because it's not officially a staff project yet

[0:52:56] Voice 3: um

[0:52:57] Voice 11: and but i will also say that

[0:53:01] Voice 11: um lisa's information has been and we'll talk about this a little bit more too

[0:53:05] Voice 11: too, that, and this, you know, these recommendations would be drafted into a bylaw, which then

[0:53:14] Voice 11: would be reviewed by First Nations, which would be referred out to the First Nations.

[0:53:19] Voice 11: And Lisa has been more inclined to sort of leave it to them to decide whether or not

[0:53:25] Voice 11: this language works for them, right?

[0:53:27] Voice 11: She may have some specific comments about the language herself, but she'll tend to defer

[0:53:32] Voice 11: to the language.

[0:53:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[0:53:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[0:53:35] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. So does that answer your question, Ms. Alex?

[0:53:40] Voice 5: Yes.

[0:53:40] Voice 5: Okay, great.

[0:53:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead, Greg.

[0:53:43] Voice 5: Given what you just said, presumably there isn't anything stopping Lisa from talking to the ABC now.

[0:53:52] Voice 5: I mean, she's agreed to do that, to speak with Wendy and talk about some of the language.

[0:54:00] Voice 5: So it would seem rather strange for me to wait four months to get that input when you're not sure if you want to talk to Lisa or not.

[0:54:15] Voice 5: You've got 40 years on the side of it.

[0:54:17] Voice 5: She's got forever on the side of it.

[0:54:21] Voice 11: It's all about the staff capacity.

[0:54:24] Voice 11: It's all about staff capacity.

[0:54:26] Voice 11: I mean, that's what it's all about.

[0:54:28] Voice 11: There's nothing technically wrong with it.

[0:54:31] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:54:31] Voice 11: Yeah, it's just a matter of Lisa having a bulk weight and having other things to do.

[0:54:37] Voice 11: And the way that Addams Trust manages our staff is through having official projects that are funded.

[0:54:48] Voice 11: And that's when we know we can start working on something. Including Lisa.

[0:54:53] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:54:54] Voice 11: She

[0:54:56] Voice 5: has agreed to talk to Wendy, so I just want to leave it at that.

[0:55:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, there's no technical reason as to why she can't.

[0:55:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much for this, and I think I've figured out how the...

[0:55:10] Voice 2: I'll just say thank you, Wendy, what you did.

[0:55:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, it's terrific.

[0:55:16] Trustee Fast (probable): And I can see you had some formatting got in here, it looks like.

[0:55:24] Trustee Fast (probable): But I can see those two changes that you read out are here.

[0:55:27] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much for the ongoing work of the Advisory Planning Commission.

[0:55:34] Trustee Fast (probable): And now we've got...

[0:55:35] Voice 5: Can I make one more?

[0:55:38] Voice 5: this is a perfect way to be a delegation that

[0:55:43] Trustee Fast (probable): was town hall town hall yeah

[0:55:45] Trustee Fast (probable): it's perfect to

[0:55:46] Trustee Fast (probable): bring the local knowledge

[0:55:47] Voice 5: it's page and a half long gets to the point and you can submit it

[0:55:53] Voice 5: and people can see it and read it so i just tell wendy's this is this is very effective and

[0:55:58] Voice 5: um the charter you know it's big god i mean uh 21

[0:56:03] Voice 5: one.

[0:56:05] Trustee Fast (probable): It's such a huge topic. I can't even begin. If you can,

[0:56:09] Voice 5: if you can, you know, if

[0:56:11] Voice 5: you could do something like, I mean, I know it's difficult, but what an honor. Thank you.

[0:56:19] Trustee Fast (probable): I just want to bring it back to the agenda. Okay. Cause we've got, we've been waiting

[0:56:23] Trustee Fast (probable): here are the Hornby Island residents and rate payers association, uh, for another delegation.

[0:56:27] Trustee Fast (probable): and this is about a Hornby Community Heritage Register and so please take it

[0:56:36] Trustee Fast (probable): away and introduce yourself and whatever

[0:56:39] Voice 10: you

[0:56:41] Trustee Fast (probable): like whatever works for you.

[0:56:43] Voice 1: Good morning, thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak with the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:56:49] Voice 1: I'm Margaret Birch, a fourth generation resident on Hornby Island.

[0:56:53] Voice 1: My grandmother, Betty Smith, served on one of the original Islands Trust back in the 60s.

[0:57:00] Voice 1: I'm also a member of the Community Hall Committee and of HIRA, and I am here on behalf of the Community Hall Committee to seek your support and your consideration to set up the Hornby Islands Community Heritage Register.

[0:57:16] Voice 1: Following several weeks' exploration since the summer, the Cleaning Hall Committee decided to pursue establishing a register similar to the one completed for Redmond Island several years ago.

[0:57:31] Voice 1: The main aim of this initiative is to formalize an official list of historic places which have heritage value or heritage character.

[0:57:40] Voice 1: Its main function is to recognize and celebrate historic places within the community.

[0:57:46] Voice 1: Places listed on the community

[0:57:48] Voice 1: heritage register would be

[0:57:50] Voice 1: better positioned to access

[0:57:51] Voice 1: heritage conservation tools and

[0:57:54] Voice 1: incentives and be eligible to

[0:57:55] Voice 1: various funding sources such as

[0:57:58] Voice 1: the Heritage and Estate Fund at

[0:58:00] Voice 1: BC.

[0:58:02] Voice 1: The Hornby Island Archives

[0:58:04] Voice 1: Committee and New Horizons

[0:58:07] Voice 1: Society have also expressed

[0:58:08] Voice 1: their support to this initiative.

[0:58:11] Voice 1: In order to determine whether

[0:58:13] Voice 1: establishing a register for

[0:58:14] Voice 1: Hornby is feasible, further

[0:58:16] Voice 1: Early research requires the assistance of the planning staff of the Islands Trust.

[0:58:21] Voice 1: The Community Hall Committee is prepared to contribute input to staff to assist them in their work.

[0:58:26] Voice 1: The Committee's first step would be to focus on public heritage places at this time.

[0:58:31] Voice 1: On behalf of the Community Hall Committee, I am seeking the Local Trust Committee to make a resolution

[0:58:37] Voice 1: requesting staff bring back a report to the Local Trust Committee to establish a Community Heritage Register,

[0:58:44] Voice 1: including options with respect to community engagement and consultation. Thank you very much.

[0:58:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much. And I see that that request is also in your letter, is that correct?

[0:58:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[0:58:56] Trustee Fast (probable): So this is on page 152?

[0:58:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[0:58:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Page 52 of the agenda. Thank you. I've just written all over it again.

[0:59:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[0:59:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you very much. And do people want to, usually what we do I think with delegations

[0:59:11] Trustee Fast (probable): as we have it on the next meeting.

[0:59:15] Trustee Fast (probable): So I think that way, if there's heated topics

[0:59:20] Trustee Fast (probable): or people want to think about it,

[0:59:25] Trustee Fast (probable): then it can come to a future meeting.

[0:59:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Or what is the interest of trustees?

[0:59:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Heather, did you want to chime in here at any point?

[0:59:35] Voice 11: I mean, I can speak to the logistics of it.

[0:59:38] Voice 11: it. My impression is that the trustees, if they're interested in pursuing this, would

[0:59:49] Voice 11: like to add this as a part of their project list in order to get staff. There's probably

[0:59:56] Voice 11: some information we could bring back to you that's...

[1:00:00] Voice 11: sort of out there already to kind of give you an idea

[1:00:02] Voice 11: of what kind of work is involved

[1:00:04] Voice 11: in establishing a community heritage register.

[1:00:09] Voice 11: But, you know, the Local Government Act

[1:00:15] Voice 11: regulates community heritage registers.

[1:00:17] Voice 11: There's typically a bylaw process involved

[1:00:20] Voice 11: in that sort of thing.

[1:00:21] Voice 11: So it is a project, it's not just a resolution

[1:00:24] Voice 11: to adopt one, there's more involved in that.

[1:00:30] Voice 11: and probably review your project.

[1:00:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Good. Okay, thank you.

[1:00:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, let's then, when we get down to 14.2,

[1:00:38] Trustee Fast (probable): near the end of our agenda is when we look at our projects list,

[1:00:41] Trustee Fast (probable): and we can consider that request in the light of the other projects

[1:00:45] Trustee Fast (probable): and what the time might be.

[1:00:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much. That's great.

[1:00:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, good.

[1:00:53] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm going to move us on now to the minutes.

[1:00:57] Trustee Fast (probable): you were asking about the minutes is page 53 just to see whether trustees have any changes

[1:01:04] Trustee Fast (probable): they want to make to the minutes go ahead

[1:01:05] Voice 2: page 56

[1:01:07] Voice 2: six, one, two, three, four, five, the six, not the solid board, but the trustee on, the LLEN, and then it's Cormier Island Residents and Rape Payers Association, HIRRA, and then down below, agency chair, one, HIRA, once again, HIRRA.

[1:01:53] Trustee Fast (probable): okay this is her again okay well i would uh um if you can with your hands the way it is um

[1:02:02] Trustee Fast (probable): maybe uh just

[1:02:04] Voice 2: i just thought i was thinking you're gonna hear this and she'll just speak

[1:02:06] Voice 2: well

[1:02:07] Trustee Fast (probable): it's katherine with us sorry katherine

[1:02:08] Trustee Fast (probable): yep and uh i think so i think she will so that we're

[1:02:11] Trustee Fast (probable): looking at page 56 katherine uh well who's the recorder yes i know sorry i'm

[1:02:18] Voice 1: trying to make a

[1:02:19] Voice 1: a joke,

[1:02:19] Trustee Fast (probable): but you can't tell behind my

[1:02:20] Trustee Fast (probable): mask. Okay. With those changes, then, any other

[1:02:26] Trustee Fast (probable): changes? Go ahead. Then can I have a motion to adopt the minutes? Okay, thank you. And

[1:02:32] Trustee Fast (probable): a seconder, thank you. And all in favor? Thank you. That passes unanimously. That's the minutes

[1:02:36] Trustee Fast (probable): from October the 8th. And 7.2, page 64, this is our public hearing record from October

[1:02:46] Trustee Fast (probable): the 8th. Any changes here that people can see? It's just a record of the, in the same

[1:03:03] Trustee Fast (probable): room we had a public hearing regarding Proposed By-law 166. And I don't think anybody, yeah,

[1:03:16] Trustee Fast (probable): we had a bunch of people speak. This was a long time ago, October the 8th. Any changes,

[1:03:22] Trustee Fast (probable): no changes, can I have a motion to adopt the minutes? Thank you. And Senator, thank you

[1:03:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much. And any discussion? All those in favour? Thank you. That passes unanimously. Very good.

[1:03:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so now we're on to 7.3 on the agenda. This is section 26 resolutions without minutes.

[1:03:43] Trustee Fast (probable): This is meeting, sorry, this is just to inform you about anything we did.

[1:03:48] Trustee Fast (probable): it. And so page 66 is about that. And just to let you know exactly what we do, we try

[1:03:59] Trustee Fast (probable): to be open and transparent. So this was when it comes back from the, yeah, so we held an

[1:04:09] Trustee Fast (probable): in-camera meeting and that when the bylaw number 167 was back from the minister, we

[1:04:16] Trustee Fast (probable): We just adopted it by email.

[1:04:20] Trustee Fast (probable): It's been administered already.

[1:04:22] Trustee Fast (probable): That's great.

[1:04:23] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm

[1:04:27] Voice 8: going to have to take this apart.

[1:04:31] Trustee Fast (probable): And then we're on to ABC minutes.

[1:04:35] Trustee Fast (probable): And those are for receipts, so we don't have to make any changes to those.

[1:04:38] Trustee Fast (probable): The committee handles that.

[1:04:41] Trustee Fast (probable): And 7.5, we've got the chair of the ABC here.

[1:04:45] Trustee Fast (probable): If there's any questions for the, yeah, go ahead.

[1:04:48] Voice 2: You're Alex.

[1:04:49] Voice 2: Here is on page 68, B, next steps.

[1:04:55] Voice 2: Deputy Chair Bale offered to meet between the Law Affiliate and 3.7 Heritage Features.

[1:05:00] Voice 2: Is this a time with the Heritage Registry, or is this a separate thing?

[1:05:05] Voice 2: What was that?

[1:05:06] Voice 10: No, that was the section in the OCP 3.7.

[1:05:10] Voice 10: I think it's on page 30 of your return package, where four paragraphs were deleted from the consolidated version of 2016 in the section called Heritage Features.

[1:05:26] Voice 10: And so we just were recommending that those four paragraphs, which were supposed to be part of the consultation with Home Walks Nation,

[1:05:44] Trustee Fast (probable): any more questions for the chair the apc okay then we'll receive those

[1:05:50] Trustee Fast (probable): um minutes thank you very much and uh follow-up action list we're on 8.1 page 72

[1:06:00] Trustee Fast (probable): so this is uh our follow-up action list of things we've asked staff and ourselves sometimes to do

[1:06:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Any questions for the planner?

[1:06:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, go ahead.

[1:06:11] Voice 2: In terms of what happened at the

[1:06:15] Voice 2: Trust Council, in terms of our

[1:06:17] Voice 2: activity regarding one ship catching

[1:06:19] Voice 2: groundwater, will they show that

[1:06:20] Voice 2: in terms of that big project

[1:06:23] Voice 2: of $41,000

[1:06:25] Voice 2: the case that we didn't

[1:06:28] Voice 2: vote for and pay for,

[1:06:29] Voice 3: is that going to

[1:06:30] Voice 2: affect this work?

[1:06:32] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:06:33] Voice 2: This particular project?

[1:06:35] Voice 2: I'm not going to say that word.

[1:06:38] Voice 2: Is that going to affect this particular project at all?

[1:06:43] Trustee Fast (probable): I think what Alex is referring to is that Trust Council declined to put the freshwater

[1:06:54] Trustee Fast (probable): sustainability strategy.

[1:06:57] Trustee Fast (probable): It's a big project that we're working on at the Trust Council level.

[1:07:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Lots of staff involved in that and community members on various islands and consultants

[1:07:07] Trustee Fast (probable): too, and I think

[1:07:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Trust Council

[1:07:11] Trustee Fast (probable): was looking at the taxes

[1:07:13] Trustee Fast (probable): and didn't want to, they were trying

[1:07:15] Trustee Fast (probable): to think of things that they could remove

[1:07:17] Trustee Fast (probable): from the budget so that taxes would stay

[1:07:19] Trustee Fast (probable): lower, and the reporting

[1:07:21] Trustee Fast (probable): came out of that, but I don't think that that would

[1:07:23] Trustee Fast (probable): have been

[1:07:25] Trustee Fast (probable): part of this.

[1:07:30] Voice 2: It doesn't require that

[1:07:32] Voice 2: to be cleared.

[1:07:33] Voice 11: I don't think so,

[1:07:34] Voice 11: but I think we should get one

[1:07:36] Voice 11: cleared by now.

[1:07:37] Voice 2: Yeah, we do.

[1:07:38] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:07:41] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:07:42] Voice 6: And

[1:07:46] Trustee Fast (probable): then we'll check.

[1:07:47] Voice 11: I just would like to comment on one item.

[1:07:53] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:07:53] Voice 11: And that is the TUPs.

[1:07:59] Voice 11: From July.

[1:08:03] Trustee Fast (probable): This is the one on page 73, 16th of July, the first one.

[1:08:09] Voice 10: And

[1:08:10] Trustee Fast (probable): this was the TUP is a temporary use permit.

[1:08:14] Trustee Fast (probable): See where we are?

[1:08:15] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[1:08:19] Voice 2: was just going to ask exactly what trustee is involved with this and why.

[1:08:23] Voice 11: Yeah, I think there was an interest by Trustee Scott to keep that going.

[1:08:29] Voice 11: And so we were going to work on what kind of advertising and the timing of the advertising at this point.

[1:08:36] Voice 11: So the purpose of the advertising is to just let folks know that this is available to them,

[1:08:42] Voice 11: I think, for seasonal worker accommodation and that they would need a temporary use permit

[1:08:47] Voice 11: from it in order to allow it.

[1:08:50] Voice 11: And that they would want to start that application process

[1:08:54] Voice 11: as soon as they could,

[1:08:56] Voice 11: depending on when they think they needed

[1:08:58] Voice 11: that seasonal worker housing, right?

[1:09:00] Voice 11: Which we assume is gonna be April, May maybe.

[1:09:06] Voice 11: So at this point, we feel like

[1:09:09] Voice 11: if you want to move forward with that advertising,

[1:09:13] Voice 11: you're likely gonna wanna do that soon.

[1:09:15] Voice 11: soon. And, and we came up with some costing around that, you know, it's, it's around $30

[1:09:24] Voice 11: to put it into the Hornby Tribune for a, I think it's a quarter page, quarter page ad

[1:09:32] Voice 11: in the Tribune. And each edition that advertising goes in, it's, it's $28, sorry. So, so if

[1:09:43] Voice 11: If you want to move forward with that,

[1:09:45] Voice 11: we would just need some clarification about

[1:09:48] Voice 11: when you would want that advertising to start

[1:09:51] Voice 11: and then we would,

[1:09:55] Voice 11: and where do you want the money to come out?

[1:09:57] Voice 11: So there is a communications budget for the LTC.

[1:10:01] Voice 11: That's where that would come out of.

[1:10:03] Voice 11: And so that's kind of one follow up on that one.

[1:10:07] Trustee Fast (probable): You know, I think you're thinking about an ad

[1:10:12] Trustee Fast (probable): that goes in the paper or in your local papers

[1:10:15] Voice 6: that

[1:10:15] Trustee Fast (probable): says if you want to have seasonal staff

[1:10:20] Trustee Fast (probable): working on your place,

[1:10:22] Trustee Fast (probable): you can apply for a temporary use permit

[1:10:25] Trustee Fast (probable): to allow them to live there temporarily, right?

[1:10:28] Trustee Fast (probable): That's right.

[1:10:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, and do it by such and such a time

[1:10:30] Trustee Fast (probable): if you want to get your permit in time, right?

[1:10:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[1:10:32] Trustee Fast (probable): That kind of thing.

[1:10:33] Trustee Fast (probable): So basically it's an invitation, right?

[1:10:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Is that what you were thinking

[1:10:37] Trustee Fast (probable): that we were talking about, your aunt?

[1:10:41] Voice 5: Well, I'm confused

[1:10:47] Voice 5: because if you've got a combination

[1:10:49] Voice 5: accommodation is sitting there, it's legal. Why do you need to get a temporary use permit?

[1:10:56] Voice 11: Well, I think you don't. You don't. This would assume that you don't have zoning that would

[1:11:01] Voice 11: allow for it. And so the only way to allow it would be to have a temporary use permit.

[1:11:06] Voice 5: So it would start if you want to legally rent an accommodation for any purpose, isn't it?

[1:11:14] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:11:15] Voice 5: then zoning doesn't allow it, you can apply for a temporary elk and we can word it in a way that doesn't sound too draconian.

[1:11:22] Voice 5: Right, right.

[1:11:23] Trustee Fast (probable): But you want to get the word out.

[1:11:25] Voice 5: Yeah, yeah. Okay, fair enough.

[1:11:27] Voice 5: Okay,

[1:11:27] Trustee Fast (probable): so you'll be in touch with staff?

[1:11:29] Voice 5: Staff can be

[1:11:30] Voice 5: in touch with me. Can I put it that way?

[1:11:33] Voice 11: Yeah, I think I'm posing it to the trustees because if we're going to fund it, we do need to have the LTC pass a motion to that effect.

[1:11:42] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:11:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Before we get to that, Trustee Allen?

[1:11:48] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[1:11:48] Voice 2: just want to, isn't this to do with the Euclid one, and it's nothing to do with structures? It's to do with campers? I thought that this is the one, the Euclid one.

[1:11:59] Voice 2: I thought this is to do with the Euclid, what they were doing with temporary seasonal accommodation, allowing people to, staff to camp in campers on people's property.

[1:12:10] Voice 2: I thought this was, it's nothing to do with structures, this is where I'm very interested.

[1:12:13] Voice 2: And two, don't forget the first edition, which is only $33 million.

[1:12:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[1:12:20] Trustee Fast (probable): I got an editor

[1:12:21] Voice 5: on and I got in trouble.

[1:12:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[1:12:25] Voice 5: Let's just talk about it further.

[1:12:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Do

[1:12:29] Trustee Fast (probable): you want to put it on the next agenda?

[1:12:32] Voice 5: Well, I just had to point it out. I didn't push it too far down the road.

[1:12:36] Voice 5: But our

[1:12:37] Trustee Fast (probable): next meeting will probably, oh yeah, to be determined.

[1:12:41] Trustee Fast (probable): We've got them on our list.

[1:12:44] Voice 5: It's February the 9th or something.

[1:12:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, it'll be early February.

[1:12:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, we can do that.

[1:12:49] Trustee Fast (probable): On the next agenda.

[1:12:50] Trustee Fast (probable): On the next agenda, thank you.

[1:12:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, good.

[1:12:53] Trustee Fast (probable): Thanks for bringing that up, Heather.

[1:12:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Are there any other?

[1:12:55] Voice 5: So Heather, whose court is this in yours?

[1:12:57] Voice 5: Or in my agenda?

[1:12:59] Voice 11: It's in my court right now.

[1:13:00] Voice 11: We'll put it on the agenda for the rest of the meeting.

[1:13:02] Voice 11: Okay, thanks.

[1:13:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Very good.

[1:13:07] Trustee Fast (probable): Thanks for bringing that back for the clarification.

[1:13:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Obviously, we need to chat.

[1:13:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, and any other things on the follow-up action list that we need to talk about or ask staff about?

[1:13:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, good. Then we're going to move on.

[1:13:26] Trustee Fast (probable): This, now, we're coming into, hey, look at that, 11.45, break time.

[1:13:32] Trustee Fast (probable): I can't believe it. It actually worked.

[1:13:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you. Well done on the agenda front, to those who put the agenda together.

[1:13:41] Trustee Fast (probable): We're going to take a half-hour break here from 11.45 to 12.15, and this is partly because Heather and I have been on the road since early this morning, and I want to get my jacket back on.

[1:13:59] Trustee Fast (probable): We're going to take a pause, and we'll begin again at 12.15, as per our agenda. Thanks everybody who was with us this morning, if you don't come back.

[1:14:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Now we're on applications, and the first one, 9.1, is the gut steam one.

[1:14:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Page 75. I'm calling the meeting back to order, and Heather is going to try and represent various planners.

[1:14:26] Trustee Fast (probable): So she's going to be channeling. In this case, sorry, I don't have my page yet.

[1:14:41] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so you're going to be channeling for Majica, for Teresa, Planner Majica.

[1:14:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, take it away, Heather.

[1:14:50] Voice 11: Essentially, this is a subdivision application and, you know, we have a requirement for 10% of lapped frontage.

[1:15:05] Voice 11: They're requesting a waiver of that requirement and they just have to come to the LTC to approve that waiver or not.

[1:15:13] Voice 11: So that's what this is all about. Staff support this reduction because it's a panhandle a lot.

[1:15:20] Voice 11: So it's just the way that it's configured. So it sort of necessarily meets that frontage waiver.

[1:15:26] Voice 11: waiver. So the resolution is on the 75th of April, if you're equipped. So I'm going to say bye-bye.

[1:15:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Questions for the planner? Go ahead, Trustee Allen.

[1:15:41] Voice 2: This is an overall comment regarding, like, even like, well, first of all, I don't, what I wanted

[1:15:50] Voice 2: to know is why is there no consultation with the neighbours? We used to have that before. In fact,

[1:15:53] Voice 2: the very lot next door was a panhandle came up to tony and i um and all the neighbors were

[1:16:02] Voice 2: consulted and they had issues and i just don't understand because this driveway is like right

[1:16:06] Voice 2: next to the neighbors i just feel that there should be a notification from them to let them

[1:16:11] Voice 2: know that this is happening and i want to know what's happened what's changed because all these

[1:16:16] Voice 2: 10 panels all these things that used to be a consultation or at least the neighbors were

[1:16:20] Voice 2: notified and it's not happening and that's very the bear who came and spoke about the wessel

[1:16:26] Voice 2: application i actually told her daughter-in-law about it because she had killed she concerns

[1:16:34] Voice 2: about it years ago regarding this thing so i just feel i just thought that the people should

[1:16:40] Voice 2: be notified regarding any of these waivers for niches um

[1:16:46] Voice 11: yeah and i can speak to that

[1:16:47] Voice 11: I mean, currently, I'm not sure what's here in the notification for the other applications.

[1:16:53] Voice 11: There is no requirement in our bylaws for notification for this kind of thing, other than the fact that this is on the agenda.

[1:17:03] Voice 11: So in that sense, the neighbors are notified because it's on the agenda, right?

[1:17:07] Voice 11: But there is no specific notification requirement for this either in our bylaws or Moody.

[1:17:15] Voice 11: So, I mean, ultimately, subdivision approvals are done by the Ministry of Transportation.

[1:17:20] Voice 11: The application goes through them.

[1:17:22] Voice 11: This is before you, because you have a zoning requirement of 10%.

[1:17:28] Voice 11: But it's not our application.

[1:17:33] Voice 11: A subdivision application is not.

[1:17:35] Voice 11: And the regulations around subdivisions are very specific that they will not be a super public process.

[1:17:43] Voice 11: process. They're administratively designed to be pretty straightforward for the applicant

[1:17:50] Voice 11: and there's no notification required for Moody or for us, especially since it's not our application.

[1:17:56] Voice 11: There's nothing to say that if we wanted to do extra notification, we could.

[1:18:02] Voice 11: We could seek out, but

[1:18:04] Voice 2: there's no...

[1:18:05] Voice 2: Yeah,

[1:18:06] Voice 11: I just feel like, I think

[1:18:07] Voice 2: before I'm going to approve this, I feel like the neighbour next door should be known.

[1:18:12] Voice 8: okay because

[1:18:13] Voice 2: because we're talking as you know this whole thing that's going to be essentially

[1:18:17] Voice 2: a driveway there right next to this property there never used to be a driveway there the

[1:18:21] Voice 2: driveway's up here i know this property's visible thank you go

[1:18:29] Trustee Fast (probable): ahead trustee scott

[1:18:30] Trustee Fast (probable): well

[1:18:31] Voice 5: i don't really want to hold this up can we not approve this and put a suggestion

[1:18:42] Voice 5: highways informed because i would also want to approve a retro just suggest

[1:19:08] Trustee Fast (probable): I was surprised to see a subdivision thing come in front of us at all because I've never

[1:19:16] Trustee Fast (probable): been involved in any subdivision stuff, including as a municipal councillor.

[1:19:21] Trustee Fast (probable): So, but this is because they need the waiver, as I understand it.

[1:19:26] Trustee Fast (probable): And so this is

[1:19:27] Trustee Fast (probable): not related to the person that spoke to us in Town Hall.

[1:19:33] Trustee Fast (probable): Is that correct?

[1:19:34] Trustee Fast (probable): This is a different.

[1:19:35] Voice 2: This is another area.

[1:19:36] Trustee Fast (probable): This is different.

[1:19:36] Trustee Fast (probable): I just wanted to be sure because I don't know the people and where they live.

[1:19:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[1:19:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Good.

[1:19:41] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm just, as

[1:19:44] Voice 2: somebody

[1:19:46] Trustee Fast (probable): on an advisory board, people always assumed I knew everything.

[1:19:49] Trustee Fast (probable): thing but lots of times we weren't involved at all either including even after the fact so

[1:19:54] Trustee Fast (probable): you know it's a it's usually something that happens uh uh in a government department

[1:20:00] Trustee Fast (probable): subdivisions but anyway well

[1:20:03] Voice 2: i can say i'll just say and it's actually your daughter's property

[1:20:05] Voice 2: was the one just below that was that we approved for a panhandle but the neighbors were notified

[1:20:11] Voice 2: and one did have an issue but then he was trying once we explained it um so that

[1:20:16] Trustee Fast (probable): was his decree

[1:20:17] Trustee Fast (probable): So

[1:20:18] Voice 2: that would have been

[1:20:19] Trustee Fast (probable): rezoning, right? Not a subdivision?

[1:20:27] Voice 2: That's why it's the same thing, wasn't it? If it was a lot, one whole lot, one was made into two, one was a panhandle.

[1:20:38] Voice 2: It goes exactly like this, actually.

[1:20:42] Voice 11: Yeah, I mean, it could have been part of a rezoning with me and why there's no application. It could also have been some sort of variance, which

[1:20:51] Voice 1: also would require

[1:20:52] Voice 11: an application. There are bylaws that sometimes explicitly don't allow parents to have a lot.

[1:21:00] Voice 11: I don't know exactly why, but all I know is right now, there's no.

[1:21:12] Voice 8: In fact, there's no public process.

[1:21:15] Voice 8: There's no public process, there's no...

[1:21:17] Voice 2: Can we do what Grant suggested and pass it with requesting just the Ministry of Transportation to send a letter?

[1:21:27] Voice 2: Sure.

[1:21:28] Voice 2: It's just one neighbour, they don't have, this is Crownland up here, it's right in the corner, so it's just this neighbour here.

[1:21:35] Voice 6: Not Crown Street, the other way?

[1:21:39] Voice 6: I

[1:21:39] Voice 2: would say this is the most, this is because it's not going to be a driveway, that's, I think they're more impacted.

[1:21:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Alright, so.

[1:21:46] Trustee Fast (probable): So,

[1:21:46] Voice 2: can I, based on

[1:21:49] Voice 5: what, so I'd like to make a motion that as per Local Government Act,

[1:22:02] Voice 5: LTC exempts proposed LOC 2 in the subdivision mail plan for HOSUV 2020 LOC 2 from meeting

[1:22:13] Voice 5: or meeting the plan of land use by law regulation 6.6 bracket 1, the minimum 10% frontage on

[1:22:22] Voice 5: required highway suggest the highways inform the neighbors as part of the approval process.

[1:22:37] Trustee Fast (probable): Do I have a seconder?

[1:22:39] Voice 2: Do we have to be more specific about the neighbors?

[1:22:42] Trustee Fast (probable): That's a good question for Heather.

[1:22:44] Voice 11: I think you said adjacent neighbors.

[1:22:46] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:22:48] Voice 2: Friendly member? Adjacent neighbors?

[1:22:50] Voice 2: Sure. Okay, I'll second it.

[1:22:51] Voice 2: Okay,

[1:22:52] Trustee Fast (probable): great. So we've got a motion moved and seconded. Did you capture that?

[1:22:55] Trustee Fast (probable): I did.

[1:22:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, great. And then any more discussion? Then I'll call

[1:23:01] Voice 3: the question. All those in

[1:23:02] Trustee Fast (probable): favor? One, two, three hands go up. That passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

[1:23:10] Voice 8: okay yeah

[1:23:11] Trustee Fast (probable): and then uh so the next one um on our agenda here sorry i'm on the wrong page

[1:23:18] Trustee Fast (probable): is uh 9.2 okay uh oh you come just in time i think uh this is uh 9.2 we're here for the um

[1:23:29] Trustee Fast (probable): hornby subdivision 2021 wetfield patterson on belcaro road and uh there is a chance for the

[1:23:36] Trustee Fast (probable): applicant to speak once we've heard from the planner so uh if you've been in touch about that

[1:23:42] Trustee Fast (probable): you might know and uh to indicate your and then after the ltc makes a decision decision

[1:23:52] Trustee Fast (probable): then you can have a another couple minutes to say your um concurrence or problems you have with it

[1:23:59] Trustee Fast (probable): or anything like that and then then so i would like to uh hand the floor over to we're on page

[1:24:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Page 83 of the agenda, back to Regional Planning Manager Kaur.

[1:24:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead, Heather.

[1:24:11] Voice 11: Yeah, so this is a request, and it does reference the properties that were spoken of during the town hall.

[1:24:21] Voice 11: I support this waiver in part because, well, mostly because there are sensitive ecosystems involved.

[1:24:29] Voice 11: So, if these folks were to not have the 10% labor, that would mean that they would have to have more of the roadway as part of access to their property.

[1:24:44] Voice 11: And the roadway is already owned by MLTI.

[1:24:49] Voice 11: Joe Wai-Wu?

[1:24:50] Voice 11: Ministry of Transportation.

[1:24:52] Voice 11: Yeah, it's

[1:24:54] Voice 8: already in public.

[1:24:55] Voice 3: Yeah, it's already in public.

[1:24:57] Voice 11: You know, one of the concerns that was brought up was road maintenance.

[1:25:00] Voice 11: and they're not responsible for road maintenance because it's a public right-of-way,

[1:25:04] Voice 11: so the neighbour would not be responsible for any of that, and these folks wouldn't either.

[1:25:12] Voice 11: So, yeah, we feel that this is actually a good solution to minimise any damage to sensitive ecosystems,

[1:25:21] Voice 11: and that's why we support it.

[1:25:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:25:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Question for the Grand Star?

[1:25:28] Voice 5: Yes, well, it's only a matter of understanding the use.

[1:25:31] Voice 5: When you look at the two lots and you look at Cedar Road, it doesn't look like it beats the 10% example because the whole of that west side of that lot is all along that public.

[1:25:54] Voice 5: So to me, I don't even know why the 10% enters in a road.

[1:25:58] Voice 11: It's because it's not developed.

[1:26:00] Voice 11: looked right now it's um it's not um even though it's dedicated and on paper it looks like it's a

[1:26:08] Voice 11: road it's actually full of brush and trees and that kind of thing no i

[1:26:12] Voice 5: understand that it's it's

[1:26:15] Voice 5: there so really the issue in my mind is not the 10 thing it's it's really up to the people to

[1:26:23] Voice 5: figure out how they want to because the um which is like it is even with a 10 thing you still got

[1:26:30] Voice 5: to figure out how to get the roll around your head and you know you know since it seems to be like

[1:26:36] Voice 5: the same situation i don't really see a problem with this but i could see a problem for them

[1:26:41] Voice 5: figuring out how to how are they going to get in and out of there but that's not for you to figure

[1:26:46] Voice 5: that out you could go back to your place of development talking about it anyway so without

[1:26:53] Trustee Fast (probable): you're in support

[1:26:53] Voice 8: of the recommendation

[1:26:54] Voice 5: okay thank

[1:26:56] Voice 8: you um in

[1:26:58] Voice 5: some ways i think that you're

[1:26:59] Voice 5: other one, but that's maybe I just don't understand well enough.

[1:27:01] Voice 5: Heather, you don't want to get that going.

[1:27:03] Voice 11: I do, I do, and I'm actually now rethinking this based on your comment.

[1:27:08] Voice 11: Like, maybe it doesn't actually need this waiver for the reason you stated.

[1:27:12] Voice 11: So now I'm thinking about it with the comment.

[1:27:16] Voice 11: What I'm trying to remember is if the regulation, because there's the frontage, which, as you

[1:27:25] Voice 11: say it already has frontage along that entire library is that is that what we're talking about

[1:27:32] Voice 11: or is it you know how much access to that because we actually have and so um uh and i honestly don't

[1:27:42] Voice 11: know that the details of that regulation we could um maybe

[1:27:47] Voice 6: you want to i

[1:27:48] Voice 11: think it would be helpful

[1:27:50] Voice 11: to pass the recommendation either way because then they're covered um it may turn out that

[1:27:55] Voice 11: you're right that they don't have to do it, but if we have the resolution, then we can cover all bases.

[1:28:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, and I'm going to go to Alex first, then I'll come back. Okay, Trustee Allen.

[1:28:05] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, I have

[1:28:06] Voice 2: concerns with this based on what was raised by Barbara Barrett.

[1:28:12] Voice 2: I know this road. I remember playing on it many, like over 20 years ago,

[1:28:17] Voice 2: and cars would go driving up, and they were flying over the bump,

[1:28:20] Voice 2: and it was basically like a little trail, and it never set like a road to me at all.

[1:28:24] Voice 2: I just wonder, like, why can't the proposed entrance be at the bottom of this lot?

[1:28:30] Voice 2: I'm just wondering, like, what choice would there be?

[1:28:33] Voice 2: It's just, like, the only possible entrance you could possibly have.

[1:28:37] Voice 2: And just why not down towards Anderson as opposed to right there?

[1:28:41] Voice 2: So I'm just curious for the applicant to answer that.

[1:28:44] Voice 2: Well, hang on.

[1:28:45] Trustee Fast (probable): We're going to keep the conversation up here for a moment before I go to the applicant.

[1:28:49] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:28:49] Voice 2: Okay? So just a second.

[1:28:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Go ahead, Trustee Scott.

[1:28:52] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[1:28:54] Voice 5: understand what you're saying, Alex, and Barbara following that very well earlier, you know, you might as well be in the Gallagher's right area, but that road is there, and it's already, that issue should be discussed when that light of work is put there in the first place.

[1:29:11] Voice 5: that's not us to figure out that part of the animal thing it's to look at what's exists on

[1:29:17] Voice 5: that piece of road and that the applicant's going to have to deal with the highways department for

[1:29:24] Voice 5: actually where they're going to put the road and how the road's going to get overestimated so i

[1:29:29] Voice 5: didn't think about the way it is and as heather pointed out and then i think he feels other

[1:29:34] Voice 5: other issues that get sorted out when it gets to the highway department.

[1:29:40] Trustee Fast (probable): So you mean regarding the 10%

[1:29:44] Trustee Fast (probable): waiver, you're saying they don't need a waiver?

[1:29:45] Voice 5: Well, I mean, as Heather pointed out, and then this will at least let them move it on to highways.

[1:29:54] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:29:55] Voice 5: Which where you got to put collars and how you got to know drainage and all that other stuff.

[1:30:00] Voice 5: down over there that's the way i see it anyway so i'd like to approve it and then okay as heather

[1:30:07] Voice 5: suggested i'd like to propose deal with it um

[1:30:13] Trustee Fast (probable): and i'll just say as somebody who uh doesn't know this

[1:30:17] Trustee Fast (probable): part of the island at all of course um i would be if we were going to make detailed decisions

[1:30:24] Trustee Fast (probable): i would like to do a site visit or something because i also heard something about a hydro pool

[1:30:31] Trustee Fast (probable): and but I don't know maybe we should ask the so

[1:30:38] Voice 2: if it does get approved where

[1:30:41] Voice 2: does what's that because this road is a very it's a very strange it's never

[1:30:49] Voice 2: really been a broken it's a road it's just it's a job I just I'm not sure

[1:30:52] Voice 2: where what movies looking at this

[1:31:01] Voice 11: for the subdivision application but i don't know the details of that i and i i had a conversation

[1:31:09] Voice 11: with reese about this file and i i think she said that she talked to modi about it and that

[1:31:15] Voice 11: they don't intend to open up the road and that there are perhaps safety reasons for it um but

[1:31:23] Voice 11: also maybe that they don't look at the traffic so i think they've looked at it and there's not

[1:31:27] Voice 11: not an intention at this point to develop it as a road. My impression was that they

[1:31:33] Voice 11: also preferred that the access be at the south end of the lot and not the north end. So I

[1:31:42] Voice 11: think some consideration has already been given to the road and what they're going to

[1:31:47] Voice 11: do with it. But if you feel like they should, they should consider other things, you can

[1:31:52] Voice 11: make that part of your motion.

[1:31:54] Trustee Fast (probable): trend. Maybe now would be a good time to hear from the African family. We've got

[1:31:57] Trustee Fast (probable): these ideas out. And can you give us a little bit of background?

[1:32:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Did you wish to say anything at this point? Yes.

[1:32:06] Voice 7: I mean, we are like most people

[1:32:09] Voice 7: in our situation, we're retired to Hornby, we have

[1:32:13] Voice 7: a substantial, well we, in our case, we have a substantial

[1:32:17] Voice 7: house on 12 and a half acres. And what

[1:32:21] Voice 7: What we would like to avoid is for our children,

[1:32:24] Voice 7: you know, one has to buy the other one out,

[1:32:27] Voice 7: that sort of thing, because it's our most valuable asset.

[1:32:31] Voice 7: So we want to be able to cut it in half,

[1:32:35] Voice 7: give our daughter the house,

[1:32:36] Voice 7: because she's more attached,

[1:32:37] Voice 7: and our son the other part,

[1:32:40] Voice 7: and then that would kind of take care of the problem.

[1:32:43] Voice 7: We would not do it until,

[1:32:45] Voice 7: I mean, we wouldn't have him do much or anything

[1:32:49] Voice 7: until we were gone, which I don't know when that is.

[1:32:53] Voice 7: In terms of the access, I mean, it's obviously,

[1:32:57] Voice 7: there are very seductive convenience factors

[1:33:00] Voice 7: about coming from the Sea-Dollar end, the north end,

[1:33:05] Voice 7: or the south end.

[1:33:09] Voice 7: At the south end, it's much shorter,

[1:33:12] Voice 7: you don't use so much gas,

[1:33:14] Voice 7: us up and it also has uh there's the trail is to the very west of the road allowance so there's

[1:33:25] Voice 7: actually room for a separate driveway that doesn't impede the that doesn't destroy the trail because

[1:33:33] Voice 7: we don't want to destroy the trail if we can possibly stay away from it so in other words

[1:33:39] Voice 7: we're going to have a parallel trail going with the driveway beside it with a little greenery in

[1:33:48] Voice 7: between because it's 33 feet that's quite a lot of space and I wouldn't be surprised if the train

[1:33:54] Voice 7: actually has edged its way onto the property of the neighbor so it's far away we have quite a bit

[1:34:02] Voice 7: of chunk there and the other end the north end also has a really wet area and kind of a narrow

[1:34:13] Voice 7: entry we'd have to shave off the hill in order to get in that way um you know there are 14 we have

[1:34:20] Voice 7: 14 houses on our lot line and there's a lot of neighbors who are really um impacted by anything

[1:34:29] Voice 7: we do so it just feels that it will be have more impact down at the north end than it would at the

[1:34:37] Voice 7: south now we are really good friends with the bears i understand why they would prefer it came

[1:34:43] Voice 7: at the other end but to me the best starting point would be if we had this little issue with the 10

[1:34:51] Voice 7: taking care of and then see what highways have to say because when they're really experienced

[1:35:00] Voice 7: and know what's doable and what's not, what's valuable and what's not.

[1:35:05] Voice 7: I mean, there's no organic waste there, there are very few trees there.

[1:35:09] Voice 7: Say, if we came from Belterra, we'd have a huge tree slaughter, huge,

[1:35:15] Voice 7: because it's all heavily wooded, lots of dark firs.

[1:35:22] Voice 2: Thank

[1:35:22] Trustee Fast (probable): you very much. Questions? Go ahead.

[1:35:24] Voice 2: What about RAR that was brought up by Barbara Baird?

[1:35:28] Voice 2: broader? Yeah, in terms of

[1:35:31] Voice 2: riparian areas

[1:35:32] Voice 2: protection regulations.

[1:35:33] Voice 2: Has everything been looked at in terms of the property?

[1:35:36] Voice 7: If you look at the map

[1:35:38] Voice 7: it doesn't call it riparian. That starts

[1:35:40] Voice 7: on the other side.

[1:35:43] Voice 7: And

[1:35:44] Voice 7: it's a webbed area. Whether it has

[1:35:46] Voice 7: any riparian value

[1:35:49] Voice 7: I'm not an expert.

[1:35:51] Voice 7: I wouldn't know.

[1:35:52] Voice 7: The same is true about both the ends.

[1:35:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Both ends.

[1:35:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[1:36:00] Trustee Fast (probable): all right good any questions for the applicant no

[1:36:03] Voice 8: i'm willing okay

[1:36:05] Trustee Fast (probable): so we've got a motion uh

[1:36:08] Trustee Fast (probable): in front of us here who would like to move the motion i

[1:36:11] Voice 5: will move it okay

[1:36:13] Trustee Fast (probable): go ahead trustee scott

[1:36:15] Trustee Fast (probable): that

[1:36:16] Voice 5: per one of the right one here yeah yeah

[1:36:20] Trustee Fast (probable): page 83 page

[1:36:22] Voice 5: yeah per local government act section

[1:36:24] Voice 5: Section 512, brackets 2, the local trust committee exempt the proposed Western model subdivision layout plan for HL-SUB 2021.1 for meeting 1B out of the nine views.

[1:36:39] Voice 5: Bylaw regulation 6.6, bracket 1, the minimum 10% lot find on island requirement.

[1:36:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. Do I have a seconder?

[1:36:50] Voice 2: Sorry, I just want to know if I can amend something.

[1:36:56] Voice 2: Basically, I have the same concerns, so I don't have an issue with supporting this, but I do feel that, you know, the concerns raised with bicycles going up and down, obviously it sounds like it's a big trail.

[1:37:11] Voice 7: The driveway would be next to it.

[1:37:13] Voice 2: Yeah, I'm just worried about safety issues and stuff like that, but it is going to go to the MOT. We're going to find out the next stage, right, so they might have other ideas, so I'm in favour.

[1:37:24] Voice 2: Okay, so you're second?

[1:37:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you. Any more discussion? No? Okay, then all those in favor? One, two, three hands go up. Thank you very much. That passes unanimously.

[1:37:37] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. I was so cold I

[1:37:38] Voice 8: had to run home.

[1:37:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes, I understand. Sorry about that.

[1:37:42] Voice 5: And it's a

[1:37:43] Trustee Fast (probable): very long way home.

[1:37:55] Voice 5: Okay,

[1:37:56] Trustee Fast (probable): so now we're on page, I'm smiling because I have a mask by the way, page 91 of our agenda.

[1:38:03] Trustee Fast (probable): And this is the Wall and Bigby Development Variance Permit application, page 91.

[1:38:10] Trustee Fast (probable): And so here, Heather will be speaking for Planner Dabeya, for Jamie.

[1:38:19] Trustee Fast (probable): So please go ahead, Heather.

[1:38:20] Trustee Fast (probable): So

[1:38:21] Voice 11: this is a development variance permit application for setbacks.

[1:38:26] Voice 11: And so essentially the property owner wants to build a swimming pool and a pool-related building that don't need the setbacks,

[1:38:37] Voice 11: that are closer to the property line than the setbacks require.

[1:38:39] Voice 11: required. When we sent this out for comment, and we were required to because it's close

[1:38:47] Voice 11: to an Island Trust Conservancy covenanted area. So we sent it to them for comment. And

[1:38:55] Voice 11: I believe the board, I want to say the board asked that it not be approved, that it's too

[1:39:01] Voice 11: close to the covenant area and they think it would potentially damage sensitive ecosystems

[1:39:09] Voice 11: systems in the area. So based on that recommendation, staff are recommending denial of the variance.

[1:39:17] Voice 11: We do think that the applicant could move those structures closer in and meet the setbacks

[1:39:24] Voice 11: and not meet the variance. And that's why we're recommending denial.

[1:39:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much. And just

[1:39:32] Trustee Fast (probable): full disclosure, I'm also on the board of the House Trust

[1:39:35] Trustee Fast (probable): conservancy so i saw this then and uh we discussed it as part of that um that board um is the

[1:39:43] Trustee Fast (probable): applicant for this project here no okay thank you go ahead trustee scott yeah

[1:39:50] Voice 5: i'd just like to say

[1:39:50] Voice 5: that i've been up there with what property line that got to the um the building developer guy

[1:39:59] Voice 5: and uh there's two issues in my mind first it's in the rarest ecosystem

[1:40:09] Voice 5: in our trust area and really on the bc coast it's lightened up more of the heart of the gary oak

[1:40:19] Voice 5: ecosystem and it's got a southern exposure and any disturbance to that ecosystem beyond

[1:40:26] Voice 5: what's necessary for people to be living there they have a right to develop obviously

[1:40:32] Voice 5: so the other thing is the whole idea was in the setback area from the law line i don't think the

[1:40:39] Voice 5: fact that next door is a covenant i don't think that's even relevant to this discussion i think

[1:40:44] Voice 5: it's got to do with the fact that you know a boundary is where the application is and and

[1:40:49] Voice 5: um so i think given all the two points that is made i see this is very problematic

[1:40:58] Voice 5: so

[1:40:59] Trustee Fast (probable): you're in support of staff recommendation on page 191 go ahead yeah yeah i

[1:41:05] Voice 2: agree with what

[1:41:06] Voice 2: grant said even if the staff has approved this i would not approve this um that's a heritage

[1:41:11] Voice 2: heritage road it goes you know it's our one heritage road there potential flooding that

[1:41:15] Voice 2: whole land you know that whole thing landscape is very compromised I would have asked for a

[1:41:20] Voice 2: hydrology or what do you call that report on it you know the other side we lost an entire road

[1:41:27] Voice 2: that used to be from the Ford Cove to uh the ferry and that was because it's you know logging and uh

[1:41:34] Voice 2: various things so and also it didn't even say whether it's going to be above ground or below

[1:41:38] Voice 2: look around tool i'm just very concerned with even the information we're given so yeah i am

[1:41:45] Voice 2: do you want to move the motion i am going to move the motion i move oh that's a nice little

[1:41:52] Voice 2: one i moved that the borneo trust committee deny application they chose hyphen dvp hyphen 2021.3

[1:42:01] Voice 2: thank

[1:42:01] Trustee Fast (probable): you do i second it seconded by grant score so

[1:42:05] Voice 2: that is so does the applicant can they say

[1:42:10] Voice 11: They can. They can. And they would still need a sighting and use permit. And I think they are considering just moving the structure back to meet the setbacks. And if they do that, they don't have to have an area. So they wouldn't need the zoning and would be able to have a sighting and use permit.

[1:42:29] Voice 2: It wouldn't come to us? No.

[1:42:31] Voice 2: Well, that's crazy. We don't even know whether it's above ground or below ground. If it's below ground, that's totally compromising the whole land. It's drilling and everything else. This is a slope. So I want to make sure that if it does, it has to come back again or something.

[1:42:46] Voice 2: think as well. If

[1:42:48] Voice 11: they make the requirements of the zoning bylaw,

[1:42:51] Voice 2: the

[1:42:52] Voice 11: land use bylaw that you have, which they would, the provisions of the current land use bylaw, they would allow for them to build that pool, whether it's in ground or above ground, if they're in a setback. There's no limitation for that.

[1:43:06] Voice 11: If they're

[1:43:07] Voice 11: within the

[1:43:09] Voice 11: sub-documentary on it. And citing a use permit is not as good as what the question is.

[1:43:19] Voice 2: But they also said that, you know, in terms of, so that, you know, they have climate crisis and their water, their fresh water, it's only going to be sea water.

[1:43:27] Voice 2: And plus the fact when they change the water, it's going to be, they're dumping the water on their, you know, outside on their property.

[1:43:35] Voice 2: And I just find that it's totally compromising this cliff, this slope.

[1:43:39] Voice 2: I just don't understand why they...

[1:43:41] Voice 2: In terms of that whole area, it's very compromised.

[1:43:45] Voice 2: It's a very steep slope.

[1:43:46] Voice 2: It's a weird place for the house, for its name.

[1:43:47] Voice 2: It's the strangest place for a house.

[1:43:49] Voice 2: Can

[1:43:49] Trustee Fast (probable): I suggest that that's outside of this motion that's in front of us right now?

[1:43:55] Voice 2: We can do a new one.

[1:43:56] Trustee Fast (probable): And when we get down to projects,

[1:43:58] Voice 2: we

[1:43:58] Trustee Fast (probable): might want to think about whether we want to consider

[1:44:01] Trustee Fast (probable): consider more protection for burial ecosystems or that area of the island or something about

[1:44:07] Voice 6: right okay

[1:44:08] Trustee Fast (probable): so but meanwhile we've got this recommendation moved and seconded

[1:44:12] Trustee Fast (probable): and any more discussion okay then i'll call the question all those in favor

[1:44:17] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you the motion passes the application is denied very good so we'll move on now to

[1:44:25] Trustee Fast (probable): Thanks, everybody. 9.4, page 117.

[1:44:29] Trustee Fast (probable): You can find it here, sorry.

[1:44:37] Trustee Fast (probable): It's the first time I've done that.

[1:44:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Here we are for regional planning manager power.

[1:44:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Take it away.

[1:44:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Right,

[1:44:43] Voice 11: and I believe the applicant or the applicant for action is this one.

[1:44:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Are you the applicant?

[1:44:49] Voice 8: I am.

[1:44:50] Voice 8: Good.

[1:44:51] Trustee Fast (probable): So when we get to, after we've heard from the planner

[1:44:54] Trustee Fast (probable): and trustees have asked any questions of the planner,

[1:44:58] Trustee Fast (probable): then I'll give you five minutes to speak.

[1:44:59] Voice 4: Sure, absolutely.

[1:45:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[1:45:01] Voice 4: Just letting you know, my son, Samuel, he is the owner, and I have got for you the power of attorney, signed by him and myself, of course, that I can represent him at this meeting.

[1:45:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Very good. And if Heather has any concerns about that, she can

[1:45:17] Trustee Fast (probable): check with you. But for now, we'll go ahead with Heather first. Very good.

[1:45:21] Voice 11: Yeah. So this is, um, this is in relation to a general variance permit application. So today we're not, we're not asking you to consider the variance permit application, but what's being, what's before you is whether or not to, um, waive the requirement for a survey.

[1:45:41] Voice 11: The staff feel that a certified drawing of the site and the property is necessary to

[1:45:49] Voice 11: be able to determine whether or not it actually meets all the requirements of the by-law.

[1:45:54] Voice 11: Particularly where you have a property that's adjacent to the water, we need a surveyed

[1:46:02] Voice 11: boundary of the natural boundary in order to know whether or not it's meeting that

[1:46:06] Voice 11: So we don't have a surveyed site plan at this point, the by-law does allow for the trust committee to waive the requirement for that survey, and that's the request we put in.

[1:46:19] Voice 11: So staff are recommending that you not waive that requirement, that you don't have to ask this.

[1:46:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Very good. Okay, questions for the planner? Trustees? Or do you need more information about...

[1:46:46] Voice 5: It doesn't seem particularly onerous or time-consuming for the applicant to do this, does it?

[1:46:57] Voice 11: I mean, it did add time and some cost to the applicant.

[1:47:01] Voice 10: You know, they have

[1:47:02] Voice 11: to wait for the survey to be available to come and do the survey.

[1:47:07] Voice 11: That kind of thing.

[1:47:08] Voice 11: So there are some additional costs and timelines involved.

[1:47:11] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:47:12] Voice 5: Can I ask the proponent a question?

[1:47:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Let's ask the proponent.

[1:47:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Let's ask the applicant to make his presentation if he's got one,

[1:47:22] Trustee Fast (probable): and then we can be ready for questions.

[1:47:25] Trustee Fast (probable): So you've got five minutes.

[1:47:27] Voice 4: Wonderful.

[1:47:28] Voice 4: Anyway, this is quite a story.

[1:47:32] Voice 4: First of all, I'd like to, in regards to the staff report,

[1:47:38] Voice 4: board i just want to add a comment on the second page where he refers to that our cabin was built

[1:47:47] Voice 4: in 1986 and at that time the maximum height of buildings shall not exceed 22 and a half feet

[1:47:56] Voice 4: and so this this rule was applied when this studio was built what i need what i suggest we add here

[1:48:08] Voice 4: also that in Section 411, it also states that a replacement of the destroyed building can be permitted to be built in lieu of the building that was destroyed.

[1:48:23] Voice 4: So I'd like to add that to the staff report because I think it's somewhat important.

[1:48:28] Voice 4: court number two uh proceeding from there the uh property was born in 1982 and soon after

[1:48:40] Voice 4: we did the cabin and a studio and the studio in 1920 the studio was destroyed by a huge

[1:48:59] Voice 4: We had an arborist come in to look at this and he said that there were a number of other

[1:49:07] Voice 4: pieces of the property that the

[1:49:11] Voice 3: neighbours should take care of and he really didn't want

[1:49:15] Voice 3: to do that.

[1:49:16] Voice 4: So

[1:49:16] Voice 3: we decided to move the new location which had, you know, the cabin that was destroyed

[1:49:22] Voice 4: couldn't

[1:49:23] Voice 3: be repaired. You have a picture of it there.

[1:49:27] Voice 4: It was completely smashed.

[1:49:31] Voice 4: So we decided to build it further away and more central to the property.

[1:49:37] Voice 4: And so therefore the location of the replacement building was changed.

[1:49:43] Voice 4: We didn't realize at the time that a siding permit was required.

[1:49:49] Voice 4: And because we rely on the clause in 441

[1:49:56] Voice 4: that

[1:49:56] Voice 1: since this building was initially

[1:49:58] Voice 4: built,

[1:49:59] Voice 1: it was destroyed,

[1:50:01] Voice 1: and that

[1:50:01] Voice 4: therefore we were allowed to replace it without any further action.

[1:50:07] Voice 4: Now then we were told that no, no, no, we needed a signing permit.

[1:50:11] Voice 4: So we sent all this information to Ireland's press,

[1:50:17] Voice 4: us and they came back and said no that's that's fine and also a exciting plan that was made by a

[1:50:28] Voice 4: certified drawing a survey drawing showing the boundaries of the property and the buildings

[1:50:36] Voice 4: associated with that and for you for information like that it's

[1:50:45] Voice 8: okay yeah

[1:50:46] Voice 4: i can i can just show

[1:50:48] Voice 4: you that i'll give you that later on but i don't trust at that time you know exactly

[1:50:55] Voice 4: so obviously it's fine we don't need a survey here however we cannot approve it because the building

[1:51:04] Voice 4: now is 40 centimeters too tall and it's in no compliance and then i said well you know at the

[1:51:14] Voice 4: At the time we built it, it was 7 meters, 22 and a half feet, and this is a replacement because it was destroyed.

[1:51:22] Voice 4: So what is the problem now? He said, no, no, we have to go through a variance.

[1:51:28] Voice 4: So we had to go through a variance. And now the system changes altogether.

[1:51:34] Voice 4: together and we had to have a survey and all that and uh and i said my goodness you know

[1:51:46] Voice 4: is this really required i did a mistake to build it there and i thought that it could be grandfather

[1:51:58] Voice 4: father or whatever this wouldn't be any problem but no they said no i have then subsequently

[1:52:07] Voice 4: given them pictures of the structure that is now how it's located in relation to the main building

[1:52:16] Voice 4: which is further set back and in the center of the property and i'll show you the layout that

[1:52:23] Voice 4: was approved by an island trust when i put in the application in the first place and

[1:52:28] Voice 4: and in the final staff report i'd like to mention to you that number one the recommendation is as

[1:52:40] Voice 4: this car is saying you know that they say that we should not however she did say that

[1:52:47] Voice 4: that if you people, if the Lord of Trust Committee

[1:52:56] Voice 4: determines that a survey is not reasonably necessary,

[1:53:02] Voice 4: then you would forego that requirement

[1:53:11] Voice 4: and save me another $4,000 to have it surveyed.

[1:53:18] Voice 4: So, therefore, I request that the alternative sent out by the Island Trust, as proposed,

[1:53:28] Voice 4: be given to staff to be adopted.

[1:53:32] Voice 8: Thank you very much.

[1:53:34] Voice 4: And I can give you the relevant documents here, if you want.

[1:53:41] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, just stand by for a minute and thank you very much.

[1:53:44] Trustee Fast (probable): that's just

[1:53:45] Trustee Fast (probable): over five minutes and uh we're uh got a question over here from trustee scott

[1:53:50] Trustee Fast (probable): trustee scott well

[1:53:51] Voice 5: it's actually i get pretty confused but if i could trust for her to prove

[1:53:58] Voice 5: that and then when it's changed it's not on the same footprint which you would have thought that

[1:54:05] Voice 5: would have been the grandfathering but my question is is it within the boundary setbacks yes it is

[1:54:15] Voice 5: Are your neighbors all right with what you've done and where it is?

[1:54:20] Voice 5: I didn't understand.

[1:54:22] Voice 5: Are your neighbors okay with what you've done there now?

[1:54:26] Voice 5: Yes. They are extremely

[1:54:28] Voice 4: happy because they said, well, they did not want to cut those danger trees.

[1:54:37] Voice 5: Right. Okay.

[1:54:38] Voice 4: And so they said, why don't you move it?

[1:54:41] Voice 4: And so I said, okay, we relocated to the more central area of the property, and that's what we did.

[1:54:49] Voice 4: Okay, that's great.

[1:54:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:54:51] Voice 5: So Heather, are you okay with this recommendation here, what we're saying?

[1:55:00] Voice 5: The alternative.

[1:55:02] Voice 5: Yeah, you're okay with the recommendation the way it's worded?

[1:55:05] Voice 5: I'm

[1:55:06] Voice 11: hearing that he would like the alternative, not the...

[1:55:11] Voice 5: These are the ones that Heather was talking about.

[1:55:13] Voice 5: Yeah, that's where my confusion lies.

[1:55:15] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:55:15] Voice 5: Now, so where's the...

[1:55:19] Voice 5: It's further down.

[1:55:20] Voice 11: What

[1:55:20] Voice 5: page is it?

[1:55:21] Voice 11: It's on page...

[1:55:23] Voice 5: 118?

[1:55:24] Voice 5: Mm-hmm.

[1:55:24] Voice 5: For me?

[1:55:25] Trustee Fast (probable): 120.

[1:55:26] Voice 11: Wait, 120.

[1:55:27] Voice 11: Oh, okay.

[1:55:30] It's

[1:55:52] Trustee Fast (probable): like different.

[1:55:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Where did it go?

[1:55:55] Voice 2: It's in here?

[1:55:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[1:55:57] Voice 2: Yeah.

[1:55:58] Voice 2: To

[1:55:58] Trustee Fast (probable): waive the requirement.

[1:55:59] Voice 2: Um...

[1:56:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Trustee Allen?

[1:56:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Well,

[1:56:03] Voice 2: granted, that's all the questions I was going to ask of the applicant.

[1:56:10] Voice 2: Um, I know we've...

[1:56:13] Voice 5: Well, I'm willing, I'm ready to recommend the alternative here, that, uh...

[1:56:20] Voice 5: Okay, move it.

[1:56:21] Voice 5: Yeah, okay.

[1:56:22] Voice 5: I'm sorry, move it.

[1:56:24] Voice 5: The order of the Outer Local Trust Committee waived the requirement for a survey plan signed by a VCL land surveyor

[1:56:31] Voice 5: and direct staff to proceed with the development of the new permit application HOD 2021.2.

[1:56:42] Voice 5: What's this part?

[1:56:44] Voice 2: I second it.

[1:56:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[1:56:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:56:48] Trustee Fast (probable): And we've got a motion moved and seconded by Trustee Scott and Trustee Allen.

[1:56:53] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm just saying this for the recording to make sure she can hear.

[1:56:57] Trustee Fast (probable): And I have a question.

[1:57:02] Trustee Fast (probable): There's some of the things that would be in.

[1:57:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, for one thing.

[1:57:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh, yeah.

[1:57:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah. It's about septic fields and some of the other things that were mentioned in the planner's report.

[1:57:16] Trustee Fast (probable): Is there anything else that was moved?

[1:57:20] Trustee Fast (probable): No.

[1:57:21] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. Thank you. That was a quick question.

[1:57:26] Trustee Fast (probable): And any other discussion or questions? Go ahead, Trustee Scott.

[1:57:34] Voice 5: Do you see any, you know, I read through it, do you see any other problems with this?

[1:57:39] Voice 5: I mean, it's not having a survey certainly isn't going to, no, no, I'll put my question

[1:57:45] Voice 5: back, but I'll just stick with it.

[1:57:46] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:57:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[1:57:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Great.

[1:57:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more discussion?

[1:57:50] Trustee Fast (probable): No,

[1:57:51] Voice 2: based on what the applicant has shared with us, and the neighbors are fine with it,

[1:57:55] Voice 2: and I think it's, you know, I've driven by it all today, and I feel fine about it.

[1:58:03] Voice 2: Great.

[1:58:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Then it sounds like we're ready to call the question.

[1:58:07] Trustee Fast (probable): Then I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[1:58:10] Trustee Fast (probable): One, two, three hands go up.

[1:58:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you. And that passes unanimously.

[1:58:17] Voice 4: Thank you. I appreciate that.

[1:58:19] Voice 4: I'll give you all the relevant information here now.

[1:58:24] Voice 4: Do you want to have it or do you need it?

[1:58:31] Voice 5: No.

[1:58:32] Voice 5: Good decision to make.

[1:58:34] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:58:35] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[1:58:36] Voice 5: Make sure no more trees fall on your place.

[1:58:40] Trustee Fast (probable): That's a hard one.

[1:58:41] Voice 5: Good luck on that one.

[1:58:42] Voice 5: I hereby move that no more trees fall on your place.

[1:58:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh, no, no.

[1:58:46] Trustee Fast (probable): I second it.

[1:58:47] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, moving on.

[1:58:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much.

[1:58:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[1:58:49] Voice 2: Okay.

[1:58:50] Voice 2: Thanks, Klaus.

[1:58:51] Trustee Fast (probable): 10.1, this is the official community plan and land use bylaw review project business case dashboard for decision.

[1:58:59] Trustee Fast (probable): So this is the one that Heather had drafted the original, we're on page 128 for anybody following, and so I think, and then we had trust council in between, and so we've got the chair of the APC has come back and joined us, and other people are just making their way out, in case you're wondering what the banging is, it's doors.

[1:59:32] Trustee Fast (probable): And, okay, regional planning district power, please take it away.

[1:59:37] Voice 11: Great. So this is a draft business case that I put together as you all had requested from the last meeting.

[1:59:45] Voice 11: And this draft business case could end up going to the President's Office of Review, and they would end up...

[1:59:56] Voice 11: So at this point, you have...

[2:00:00] Voice 11: few options. I mean, ultimately, it's better if you endorse the

[2:00:03] Voice 11: business case and we have a stamp of approval from the LTC

[2:00:05] Voice 11: in case that ever comes up. So at this point, I still might

[2:00:11] Voice 11: recommend that you enforce it. But there's also a couple of

[2:00:14] Voice 11: other things to discuss about it. Once, once that once trust

[2:00:19] Voice 11: council happened, and when it was allocated, or there's the

[2:00:24] Voice 11: recommendation, it's not official, it's on the draft

[2:00:26] Voice 11: one of the things that Lisa Wilcox brought up about the business case is that it doesn't

[2:00:37] Voice 11: actually include any funding for First Nations capacity. So we assume that no matter what

[2:00:47] Voice 11: is bylaw, bylaw of amendments would go to First Nations for referral. And we would send

[2:00:54] Voice 11: it to them and our normal processes we send it to them and if they have any comments they let us know

[2:00:59] Voice 11: and there's there's not any um there's no money involved in that or affected associated with that

[2:01:06] Voice 11: but there are times when first nations say they in order for them to set aside time

[2:01:13] Voice 11: um they do need some funding to help them with capacity to review our documents and as part of

[2:01:20] Voice 11: the project um and this is kind of Lisa's view going forward for all of our OCP projects is that

[2:01:27] Voice 11: we should we should consult with our stakeholders ahead of time to see how much interest and capacity

[2:01:33] Voice 11: they have in reviewing OCPs and to assume that there might be some of it that associated with

[2:01:42] Voice 11: And there's, you know, one of the, one of the examples that was given was the I was just policy statement. So there were several First Nations that were referred out, but there were actually three that ended up getting capacity funding to be fully involved.

[2:02:02] Voice 11: And I think the capacity funding was assumed to be somewhere between $1,000 to $2,000 per First Nation for that funding.

[2:02:12] Voice 11: And that was sort of the baseline assumption.

[2:02:15] Voice 11: So the question for this particular business case is there's $15,000.

[2:02:24] Voice 11: Do we assume that some of that $15,000 is going to possibly go towards First Nations capacity?

[2:02:30] Voice 11: capacity, or does the LTC actually request more money, almost $15,000?

[2:02:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[2:02:45] Voice 11: Yeah, go ahead, Trustee Scott.

[2:02:49] Voice 5: Yeah, I've worked with First Nations for the last 40 years, right?

[2:02:56] Voice 5: Loads of different, and yes, capacity is always an issue.

[2:03:02] Voice 5: But I don't think this $15,000 and the way it's worded in the business plan,

[2:03:12] Voice 5: anticipated that

[2:03:13] Voice 1: I think it's something bigger than this

[2:03:15] Voice 5: that the Trust has to

[2:03:17] Voice 5: deal with so I'd like to see

[2:03:18] Voice 5: this left as it is to support the OCB plan used by us and the OCB PPC step

[2:03:26] Voice 5: but I would like to flag it very strongly

[2:03:30] Voice 5: with the Executive and with the Trust Council so that has to be built into a budget

[2:03:36] Voice 5: to support the First Nations and it's going to be 38 First Nations right not

[2:03:42] Voice 5: not just Comox and it's how that's going to get worked out I have no idea and it's going to be complicated and it's going to be expensive

[2:03:51] Voice 5: and whether that's going to through the Ministry of Aboriginal and Aboriginal Affairs which is probably going to be a big deal

[2:03:56] Voice 5: because it's going to be you know it's not going to be just a Comox it's going to be a deal of applications from

[2:04:01] Voice 5: a multitude of the government agencies and referrals and all these other things

[2:04:06] Voice 5: So I'd like to just leave this as it is, but find it with the Trust Council that this is something we are on a very serious, I think it should be on our next agenda.

[2:04:18] Voice 5: Our next Trust Council agenda? Yeah.

[2:04:21] Trustee Fast (probable): Maybe you would like to think in your mind about a motion that this LCC could pass requesting Trust Council be on the next Trust Council agenda or something.

[2:04:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah. Okay. In

[2:04:35] Trustee Fast (probable): the meantime, do we have

[2:04:36] Voice 5: anything we have? Is this just informing us that the business plan has gone in, it's been approved? Is there anything here we have to?

[2:04:43] Voice 11: There isn't any. If that's what it's in the form of a memo, it's that I don't actually think there's any action we need to take at this point.

[2:04:50] Voice 11: We would assume that close to the April 1st funding availability.

[2:04:59] Voice 8: Assuming all is well.

[2:05:00] Voice 8: Yeah,

[2:05:00] Voice 11: but you would ask, you probably will, at one of your first couple meetings in the new year, ask staff to provide a back-up charter to get that project started.

[2:05:11] Voice 11: So, but you don't have to do that.

[2:05:13] Voice 11: We could do it now, but you don't.

[2:05:18] Voice 11: Okay, let's see what...

[2:05:19] Voice 5: Then I'd like to make a motion that we request the next Trust Council meeting to put on the agenda

[2:05:27] Voice 5: agenda, a discussion of how boroughs from the Islands Trust to First Nations are going

[2:05:38] Voice 5: to press this down and feel capacity needs to renew it.

[2:05:46] Voice 5: That's quite a mouthful.

[2:05:47] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:05:48] Voice 5: You might need

[2:05:49] Voice 11: to help me.

[2:05:50] Voice 6: I might

[2:05:50] Voice 11: need to repeat that, sorry.

[2:05:52] Voice 11: I hope it's

[2:05:55] Trustee Fast (probable): on the recording.

[2:05:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Well,

[2:05:59] Voice 5: basically, the formula I know, trust committee, the issue of capacity, the First Nation deal with the referrals from the Islanders Trust, based on, I think

[2:06:39] Trustee Fast (probable): you said the same

[2:06:39] Voice 5: thing completely differently.

[2:06:41] Voice 5: Backwards.

[2:06:42] Trustee Fast (probable): It doesn't matter. He's going

[2:06:46] Trustee Fast (probable): to second that one too, so whichever. And I

[2:06:49] Trustee Fast (probable): haven't heard from Alex yet. Go ahead.

[2:06:54] Voice 2: That's funny because that's exactly what I was going to do with this meeting.

[2:06:56] Voice 2: You admit that Grant and I share a brain every now and then.

[2:06:59] Voice 2: My question was...

[2:07:01] Voice 2: What

[2:07:01] Trustee Fast (probable): he said was

[2:07:04] Trustee Fast (probable): he was going to bring up the same thing.

[2:07:06] Voice 2: Yeah, and I'm amazed that you and I share a brain every now and then.

[2:07:10] Voice 2: My question is in the last part of your report about the public engagement plan.

[2:07:17] Voice 2: What is it? It could be initiated in fiscal year 2022-23 if public engagement activities were kept to a minimum.

[2:07:26] Voice 2: How minimum are we talking about because obviously there's going to be a lot of people in the community who want to share things, so what are we talking about in terms of minimum?

[2:07:37] Voice 11: I think we should talk about that, maybe because there's been a motion we should be done with that and then I will be out of the conference.

[2:07:46] Voice 11: Okay, so

[2:07:47] Trustee Fast (probable): let's just focus on the motion that's in front of us now and which Grant has said verbally twice and Heather has captured.

[2:07:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Do you need

[2:07:57] Voice 10: it read again or are you okay?

[2:07:58] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't know if you're

[2:07:58] Voice 10: not allowed to put your hand here.

[2:08:01] Voice 11: That the pardon me, a local trust committee moves that the issue of custody funding for first nations and referrals for island straws be placed on the next trust council agenda.

[2:08:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Good. I'm seeing no questions or alarms, so just no discussion either, so I'm going to call the question.

[2:08:19] Voice 2: My other option was beyond what Grant recommended, his motion was to ask for more money at the trust council but that could be problematic.

[2:08:28] Voice 2: This is covering all the other trusts regarding their scheme.

[2:08:34] Voice 2: Yeah, so I don't

[2:08:38] Voice 5: want to change this $15,000 thing by questioning whether A, we should ask for more money, which would get complicated, or B, we use part of this money for First Nations capacity, which is problematic.

[2:08:54] Voice 5: So I'd like to just leave that alone and go, that's why I'm proposing to go this other way.

[2:08:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Because we

[2:09:00] Voice 5: all have to deal with it.

[2:09:06] Voice 5: Any more discussion?

[2:09:08] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to call the question. All those in favor?

[2:09:10] Trustee Fast (probable): One, two, three heads go up

[2:09:12] Trustee Fast (probable): so that motion passes unanimously.

[2:09:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much.

[2:09:15] Voice 4: Can I ask one question?

[2:09:17] Trustee Fast (probable): No, actually. This is part of the business

[2:09:19] Trustee Fast (probable): meeting and we've got less than an hour

[2:09:21] Trustee Fast (probable): now to complete. One question.

[2:09:23] Voice 4: Do I have to reapply now

[2:09:25] Voice 4: for the various

[2:09:27] Voice 4: 40 centimeter...

[2:09:28] Trustee Fast (probable): You can just ask that

[2:09:29] Trustee Fast (probable): That's a question of staff and you can do that by email or telephone.

[2:09:33] Trustee Fast (probable): She

[2:09:33] Voice 4: just shook her hand, though.

[2:09:34] Trustee Fast (probable): It's a no. You

[2:09:35] Voice 11: don't have to reapply. There's an application pending.

[2:09:38] Voice 11: So

[2:09:38] Voice 4: I don't have to apply?

[2:09:40] Voice 11: No, you already have. We already have an application.

[2:09:43] Voice 11: So

[2:09:43] Voice 4: it's passed now?

[2:09:45] Voice 11: No.

[2:09:46] Voice 4: No,

[2:09:46] Trustee Fast (probable): no, talk to

[2:09:48] Voice 4: Heather

[2:09:50] Trustee Fast (probable): after.

[2:09:53] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much.

[2:09:55] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:09:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thanks for letting us move on here.

[2:09:58] Trustee Fast (probable): You had a second part of this, right?

[2:10:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes.

[2:10:02] Trustee Fast (probable): So

[2:10:02] Voice 11: this is my notes of slideshow that I actually have that I'd like to bring back.

[2:10:10] Voice 11: But it's this.

[2:10:12] Voice 11: You know, every OCPM process, the basics of it are exactly the same,

[2:10:17] Voice 11: whether you're changing a word in the document or you're changing the entire document,

[2:10:21] Voice 11: because it's a byline.

[2:10:23] Voice 11: So there's first, second, third reading, public hearing, et cetera.

[2:10:27] Voice 11: Every memory goes like that.

[2:10:29] Voice 11: The regulatory requirement for public engagement is referral and public hearing.

[2:10:37] Voice 11: And that's it. Those are the only things that you, regulatorily, have to do in terms of public engagement.

[2:10:44] Voice 11: And we're set up to do that. This budget will cover that.

[2:10:49] Voice 11: But if you want to do what I call enhanced public engagement,

[2:10:54] Voice 11: So if you want to have a working group, or if you want to have a lot of advertising, or if you want to have a survey, or if you want to have more than one CIM, which is built into these types of things.

[2:11:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Community information needs.

[2:11:10] Voice 11: All those things cost extra money and extra time.

[2:11:15] Voice 11: They add time to it and add money to it.

[2:11:18] Voice 11: And this $15,000 doesn't assume any of those extra public engagement costs.

[2:11:24] Voice 11: What we've assumed is that this money is to pay for a consultant's time to process the by-law and do the minimum.

[2:11:37] Voice 11: The budget itself could be adjusted in some way where, for instance, the staff are writing the by-law,

[2:11:48] Voice 11: which is actually not a hard thing to do and actually not that time-consuming, from my own experience.

[2:11:53] Voice 11: And a consultant could be used to do the public engagement, which is what a lot of the LTCs are doing.

[2:12:00] Voice 11: So if you wanted extra engagement and you wanted a specialist in engagement, that could go towards paying for the consultant's time on that.

[2:12:10] Voice 11: So anyway, the way that the business case is right now, down there on public engagement,

[2:12:17] Voice 11: money goes to us for consultants to draft the by-law and process it through those steps.

[2:12:23] Trustee Fast (probable): With input from the APC?

[2:12:27] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah,

[2:12:28] Voice 11: the assumption is that the APC is going to provide their recommendations and, you know, like we did with LISP,

[2:12:34] Voice 11: we really just, you know, staff took the time to review the recommendations from the report and we said,

[2:12:44] Voice 11: Hey, is this legal? And is it, you know, good planning practice?

[2:12:49] Voice 11: And if it was, if it kind of met those basic requirements and said,

[2:12:52] Voice 11: OK, let's just change the OCP to accommodate those recommendations.

[2:12:58] Voice 11: And the scope of the project wasn't bigger than that.

[2:13:01] Voice 11: It was just, let's just get it done and get the report implemented.

[2:13:07] Voice 11: We weren't opening it up to a whole bunch of other ideas, which extends the timeline.

[2:13:13] Voice 11: So, yeah, whoever is doing that work next to drive from my office, they would be working with the APC.

[2:13:24] Voice 5: Does that make sense or what?

[2:13:27] Voice 10: Yes, and if I could just quickly say, the APC right now is engaged in community work, consultation, resource people.

[2:13:35] Voice 10: So I think we are doing that work.

[2:13:39] Voice 10: So the public engagement is happening.

[2:13:41] Voice 11: Yeah, it's

[2:13:42] Voice 10: already happening. I mean, it is happening.

[2:13:43] Voice 10: Which

[2:13:44] Voice 11: is what is making the Laskiti project that much easier, because they did huge amounts of public engagement during their process, so the LTC didn't feel the need to do it as much.

[2:13:56] Trustee Fast (probable): Right. Okay. Thank you. And I'm going to go to Grant first, and then to you, Alex. Go ahead, Grant.

[2:14:02] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah,

[2:14:03] Voice 5: this goes back two years now. When I first got elected, the first thing is that because of my previous experience,

[2:14:14] Voice 5: that I knew that most people, a lot of people I think, might, should understand what's wrong with the trust,

[2:14:22] Voice 5: because it's legislation and the policy. Yet we haven't done enough community development work on that.

[2:14:31] Voice 5: And this, to me, fits into that perfectly.

[2:14:35] Voice 5: There's a limit to what the APC can do

[2:14:38] Voice 5: and how much they can advertise and how much they'll do.

[2:14:42] Voice 5: So that's what I've been pushing with Clare Frater now.

[2:14:46] Voice 5: And I've spoken to her at every Townsend meeting.

[2:14:49] Voice 5: I think I had, when she said she was gonna,

[2:14:51] Voice 5: yes, yes, yes, she has put a whole bunch of reasons

[2:14:53] Voice 5: she hasn't been able to do it,

[2:14:54] Voice 5: to provide a PowerPoint presentation that we can use,

[2:14:58] Voice 5: because, you know, I mean, I'm bad at doing that stuff.

[2:15:01] Voice 5: I don't understand getting in the hall and standing up and doing

[2:15:04] Voice 5: that kind of thing

[2:15:06] Voice 8: and getting Wendy and Alex and the people involved out there

[2:15:10] Voice 3: and describing and setting up the process.

[2:15:12] Voice 3: And this is absolutely debarred.

[2:15:14] Voice 5: So I think that's partly the way of doing that.

[2:15:17] Voice 5: And what Twitter said, this last one, she said that they hired somebody

[2:15:25] Voice 3: who was supposedly going to do this,

[2:15:27] Voice 3: but

[2:15:27] Voice 5: apparently that person is now whatever

[2:15:30] Voice 3: moved on is on the house but

[2:15:31] Voice 5: she said that they do have

[2:15:33] Voice 5: some funding to be able to support somebody to do that but there are excellent people on the island

[2:15:39] Voice 5: doing that so so i mentioned to her that maybe what we could do is we want to learn because we

[2:15:44] Voice 5: know how to do the conservancy we've been pumping that stuff out and it's been very effective the

[2:15:53] Voice 5: whole hearing test thing is based on communication so there's people that do that here so i said

[2:15:57] Voice 5: or can we and she was all over it she said yeah that's great and you know it's going to be way

[2:16:02] Voice 5: cheaper so that's sort of where that sits but now claire's looking at doing something even bigger

[2:16:08] Voice 5: than than just hornby island and she looks so we've engaged back and forth um with the potential

[2:16:15] Voice 5: was catholic you know and rebecca because they do this stuff and so that was a possibility and

[2:16:23] Voice 5: but they didn't want to do this three-month big deal thing they just wanted to do the one on the

[2:16:29] Voice 5: island is it the semi-retired yep um

[2:16:35] Voice 5: and all the rest of it so that's kind of where it sits but

[2:16:39] Voice 5: to me that's a key part of this it's a key part of this whole policy review thing and everything

[2:16:45] Voice 5: anything else that we and we can't wait to get excuse me victoria to get organized around doing

[2:16:53] Voice 5: for all 13 of them i want to take us to take the lead the ltc here to get that together because i

[2:17:00] Voice 5: think the pieces of the puzzle are there if we can just get it through so that's kind of where

[2:17:06] Voice 5: that sits i don't know if it means we gotta do anything through a motion or anything that's kind

[2:17:13] Voice 5: kind of what, and that all came out of our

[2:17:15] Voice 5: trust council meeting, but was it last

[2:17:17] Voice 5: week? Yes, it was.

[2:17:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Seriously, ages ago?

[2:17:21] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, I'll just chip in to say that there is

[2:17:23] Trustee Fast (probable): a communication plan that Claire had on

[2:17:25] Trustee Fast (probable): our previous executive

[2:17:27] Trustee Fast (probable): committee meeting, and we had

[2:17:29] Trustee Fast (probable): to bump it because trust council was coming

[2:17:31] Trustee Fast (probable): up, so it'll be next week that

[2:17:33] Trustee Fast (probable): we talk about the big communications, Claire's

[2:17:36] Trustee Fast (probable): big communications plan. But anyway, over

[2:17:37] Voice 5: to you, Bob. So then,

[2:17:39] Voice 5: can I just follow up with that

[2:17:45] Voice 5: Could you then, at the next executive, bring that up,

[2:17:52] Voice 3: how

[2:17:52] Voice 5: important that is for us to do it locally here to support?

[2:17:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Are

[2:17:58] Voice 5: you okay with that?

[2:17:59] Voice 5: Well,

[2:18:00] Trustee Fast (probable): I'll bring it up there. I have to be honest, looked that carefully at the plan outside of the last time I saw it, which was a year ago.

[2:18:10] Trustee Fast (probable): So I can't remember what's in the plan, but I'll bring it up, sure.

[2:18:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:18:16] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, go ahead, Alex.

[2:18:17] Voice 2: So if we, with your way in terms of you work with the ABC and then the money goes to a consultant in terms of communications and CIM,

[2:18:28] Voice 2: does that require, should we ask for a report on that and get back to us in more detail?

[2:18:35] Voice 2: At this point, I'm just wondering, because this sounds like a better route.

[2:18:40] Voice 2: You said it does not take too much capacity as staffing if you do work with all the recommendations that ABC gives you.

[2:18:48] Voice 2: So, but at this point, we're not sure what exactly the consultant will do in terms of communication.

[2:18:54] Voice 2: So where do we, what do you recommend in terms of the direction?

[2:18:57] Voice 11: Yeah, it's all sort of wrapped up in the project charter because with the project charter,

[2:19:02] Voice 11: we have to kind of look at a detailed work plan and who's doing what and what the timing is associated with that.

[2:19:10] Voice 11: And so, you know, if you have guidance before you develop our project charter and you want to make sure that you see specific elements of it, great.

[2:19:21] Voice 11: We'll put motions associated with that.

[2:19:25] Voice 11: Can I move?

[2:19:26] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:19:27] Voice 2: Can I move something?

[2:19:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Put it on the table.

[2:19:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Sure.

[2:19:40] Voice 2: I move that the Hornby Island Trust Local Trust Committee request staff to provide more information to provide clarification on the role of the consultant versus staff on the Hornby Island OCP review.

[2:20:04] Voice 2: If the word's messed up, please do.

[2:20:11] Voice 2: Do you see that?

[2:20:12] Voice 2: It could

[2:20:14] Voice 11: be on the roles of the consultant and staff.

[2:20:17] Voice 2: Yeah, and staff in the Hormigal and OCP review.

[2:20:20] Voice 11: And APC?

[2:20:22] Voice 2: That's right, and APC, and actions.

[2:20:24] Voice 2: And that'll be before, and it's not going to be April anyways, right?

[2:20:26] Voice 2: So that could be our next meeting in February.

[2:20:33] Voice 2: Because I'd like to know more exactly how, what directions.

[2:20:40] Trustee Fast (probable): And do you want to put in the Hormigal DC?

[2:20:43] Trustee Fast (probable): because I hear you guys being

[2:20:45] Voice 5: presenting slideshows and things.

[2:20:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Pardon?

[2:20:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Should we and the Hornby local trustees?

[2:20:53] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, yeah.

[2:20:54] Voice 2: Because

[2:20:55] Trustee Fast (probable): if we clarify the rules of everybody, then what we're basically going to ask each other to do is to think about everybody all together.

[2:21:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Can

[2:21:05] Voice 5: I ask one quick question?

[2:21:06] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:21:07] Voice 5: Because my back teeth are floating.

[2:21:08] Voice 5: Oh!

[2:21:09] Voice 5: Oh, does the $15,000, where does it go?

[2:21:22] Voice 5: Does it actually go into the local fund here that you then disperse throughout?

[2:21:28] Voice 5: Where does the money go, the $15,000?

[2:21:30] Voice 11: Yeah, it's a line item for your project.

[2:21:33] Voice 11: So my guess is it would show up on your budget.

[2:21:37] Voice 11: Okay, good.

[2:21:38] Voice 11: Good, great.

[2:21:39] Voice 5: Do

[2:21:40] Voice 11: you need a break?

[2:21:40] Voice 5: Thanks, short answer.

[2:21:41] Voice 5: Thank you.

[2:21:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:21:43] Voice 5: Just 10 seconds, just very, very quick.

[2:21:45] Voice 5: Okay,

[2:21:46] Trustee Fast (probable): because we have a motion on the table that hasn't been seconded.

[2:21:48] Voice 5: Oh, I second it.

[2:21:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, great.

[2:21:51] Trustee Fast (probable): And this is a motion that the LBC

[2:21:53] Voice 5: staff

[2:21:55] Trustee Fast (probable): provide clarification on the rules of the different people that we talked about on the upcoming OCP, right?

[2:22:04] Voice 2: Excuse me, we haven't voted.

[2:22:05] Trustee Fast (probable): I know.

[2:22:06] Trustee Fast (probable): I was just reading it

[2:22:07] Trustee Fast (probable): as from my notes.

[2:22:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Right.

[2:22:09] Trustee Fast (probable): And so if that's close enough, people are happy with that, then I'm going to call the question.

[2:22:14] Trustee Fast (probable): All those in favor?

[2:22:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[2:22:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Did I

[2:22:18] Trustee Fast (probable): even get that seconded?

[2:22:20] Voice 2: Yes, grant a second.

[2:22:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh yeah, of course, okay.

[2:22:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Grant.

[2:22:26] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, that passes. Thank you.

[2:22:28] Trustee Fast (probable): And, uh, we're gonna just...

[2:22:30] Trustee Fast (probable): What's your time?

[2:22:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, we're at, uh, we're doing okay.

[2:22:33] Trustee Fast (probable): We're at,

[2:22:34] Trustee Fast (probable): uh, 2, um,

[2:22:36] Trustee Fast (probable): 2.27 or something like that.

[2:22:38] Trustee Fast (probable): Is that 2?

[2:22:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Uh, sorry, we're at 1.27.

[2:22:41] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, I was gonna say o'clock.

[2:22:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes, correspondence, yes, so we're, okay. I think we're doing okay.

[2:22:52] Voice 10: Because

[2:22:58] Voice 5: it looks like you bought me a hundred of these.

[2:23:01] Voice 5: No, I only

[2:23:01] Voice 10: need a hundred.

[2:23:02] Voice 10: You don't need this.

[2:23:04] Voice 8: Oh

[2:23:09] Trustee Fast (probable): yes, you don't need it.

[2:23:11] Trustee Fast (probable): It's not efficient.

[2:23:13] Trustee Fast (probable): That's

[2:23:14] Voice 2: why I'm so sorry.

[2:23:14] Trustee Fast (probable): This isn't even a document.

[2:23:16] Voice 2: It's okay.

[2:23:19] Voice 10: Don't read it.

[2:23:20] Voice 2: No.

[2:23:20] Voice 10: Right now.

[2:23:22] Voice 2: Let's

[2:23:22] Voice 3: read the headline.

[2:23:48] Voice 11: Related to capacity funding.

[2:23:50] Voice 11: Right.

[2:23:50] Voice 11: Can I just have a motion to that?

[2:23:57] Voice 11: That's all right.

[2:23:57] Trustee Fast (probable): I knew there was one more that I had a question about.

[2:24:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Well,

[2:24:02] Voice 11: hang on until

[2:24:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Grant comes back.

[2:24:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so we've got one more motion we're considering over here.

[2:24:14] Trustee Fast (probable): I mentioned at the beginning, which is, will the Hormie LTC endorse this tech business case?

[2:24:28] Voice 2: I moved it to the local, sorry, because I want to make sure you guys get that.

[2:24:31] Voice 2: I move that the Long Island Trust Committee endorse the business case for the sector.

[2:24:40] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:24:41] Voice 2: I second it.

[2:24:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, great.

[2:24:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more discussion?

[2:24:44] Voice 5: Yes.

[2:24:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, go ahead.

[2:24:46] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[2:24:47] Voice 5: just want to say again what Michael Cato said at the Trust Council.

[2:24:50] Voice 5: He said, I hate saying increasing budgets, but this is the best business plan.

[2:24:57] Voice 5: I think it's one of the best business plans he's ever seen.

[2:25:01] Voice 5: And I think when we said that, a lot of people, so we got unanimous, it was only the one of three that actually were added back.

[2:25:12] Voice 5: And the way he said it

[2:25:13] Voice 2: was like a Dragon's Den episode, it's really interesting.

[2:25:17] Voice 3: I

[2:25:18] Voice 2: said the way he said it was like a Dragon's Den episode, you know, because he had this big pause on what he was going to do, what he was going to say.

[2:25:27] Voice 2: Okay,

[2:25:28] Trustee Fast (probable): thank you. So we've passed three motions on this item, so hopefully that gives staff some guidance and something to chew on.

[2:25:35] Voice 2: That's good.

[2:25:36] Voice 2: Okay,

[2:25:38] Trustee Fast (probable): so now we're down on page 133, and this is the letter from the rate of payers about the signage at Buckley Bay. Go ahead.

[2:25:48] Trustee Fast (probable): I've

[2:25:48] Voice 2: been bringing this up. What's happened is when we had our so-called ferry comfort stations rebuilt on Denman and Hornby Island,

[2:25:58] Voice 2: our sign, we had the Islands Trust sign on the comfort station at Gravely Bay on Denman Island.

[2:26:03] Voice 2: You know, the usual Islands Trust sign. And then it disappeared.

[2:26:07] Voice 2: And our local guy, Alan Fletcher Constructions, lived at the building of it.

[2:26:12] Voice 2: And so I mentioned to Alan, he says, well, contact BC Ferries, and I contacted BC Ferries, and they said, hey, I'll get back to you.

[2:26:18] Voice 2: So it's somewhere, somewhere, the sign.

[2:26:21] Voice 2: So I thought whether we can ask for it or whether we can get the BC Ferries to pay for a new one.

[2:26:27] Trustee Fast (probable): I have something to say on this one, too.

[2:26:29] Trustee Fast (probable): As the chair of the Denman Local Trust Committee, they've had almost the same kind of questions, and there's been a bunch of discussion there as well.

[2:26:37] Voice 2: I don't remember where it landed.

[2:26:38] Voice 2: Well, the Denman sign is right on the fence.

[2:26:41] Voice 2: It used to be on the building.

[2:26:42] Voice 2: So when you get on Buckley Bay, you can't even see it.

[2:26:45] Voice 2: It looks like a construction fence.

[2:26:46] Trustee Fast (probable): It's

[2:26:47] Voice 2: related.

[2:26:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[2:26:49] Trustee Fast (probable): And I've also had a bit of discussion with Lisa Wilcox,

[2:26:53] Trustee Fast (probable): our senior intergovernmental advisor,

[2:26:56] Trustee Fast (probable): about the ferry building being proposed for Bowen.

[2:27:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Completely off topic, except that Lisa is our advisor,

[2:27:04] Trustee Fast (probable): And she's suggesting that, well, no, she wasn't suggesting, I was asking about science and whether there could be graphic art or some other representation or change in the science to better reflect reconciliation.

[2:27:25] Trustee Fast (probable): And she said there's tons of possibilities for that. Go ahead, Grant.

[2:27:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes

[2:27:31] Voice 5: to all that, except for one thing. I don't understand what the ask is here. What are we supposed to do? I don't get it. We're not sign makers. We're not sign designers. We don't have any money to make signs. So yes, who do we support?

[2:27:50] Voice 5: Do we write a letter to somebody?

[2:27:53] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, that's a good question. I was underlining the last sentence in the letter, which says,

[2:28:00] Trustee Fast (probable): assist in notifying visitors about the limited tourist accommodation before they arrive on the island.

[2:28:06] Voice 5: No, I understand that's the purpose of the sign, but who makes the sign and sticks it?

[2:28:10] Voice 5: Is that the CBRD? Is it the week we write a letter to the ferry corporate?

[2:28:15] Voice 5: Maybe it's on

[2:28:16] Voice 5: ferry. Okay, now I get it.

[2:28:17] Voice 5: I think we should be, we should make a, maybe make a motion to request fairies to design a First Nations appropriate sign informing people of this, and we send it to BC Fairies, because they're not the ones who are going to have to, if their sign is their building.

[2:28:38] Voice 5: So we're really just encouraging them to do something.

[2:28:42] Voice 2: Well, this is a

[2:28:44] Voice 5: little more complicated.

[2:28:46] Voice 2: Our sign, the Islands Trust sign said it was about water conservation. It was quite a little bit deeper than just make sure you have reservations before you come to the island. So I don't think it's just a matter of...

[2:28:56] Voice 2: Do you

[2:28:58] Trustee Fast (probable): want me to bring this to the next... I'll look into the communication plan again and see

[2:29:03] Trustee Fast (probable): if there's something specific in there.

[2:29:05] Voice 2: Do we have to make a motion?

[2:29:06] Trustee Fast (probable): And we could defer this until the next meeting.

[2:29:10] Voice 2: Jan, what?

[2:29:10] Voice 7: It's

[2:29:11] Trustee Fast (probable): my sense, Mary has been asking for this, it's my sense that it's the sort of notification of the public, and it seems to me that that is coming from the community, that they're publicly notified when they get to Buckley Bay to be aware that accommodation is limited.

[2:29:33] Voice 8: No, we know that.

[2:29:34] Voice 8: Okay,

[2:29:34] Trustee Fast (probable): but the public doesn't know that.

[2:29:36] Voice 8: No, no, no, no.

[2:29:37] Voice 8: You

[2:29:37] Trustee Fast (probable): mean people come all the way to Horty and then start looking for accommodation?

[2:29:45] Voice 5: Who makes the sign?

[2:29:48] Voice 5: Who makes the sign up, is it?

[2:29:51] Voice 5: But we've got Heather.

[2:29:53] Voice 5: Yeah,

[2:29:54] Voice 11: Island's Trust will do the sign for Island's Trust, if it's specific to us.

[2:29:58] Voice 11: Yeah, and it is taxed.

[2:30:00] Voice 11: that Dale's just signed it.

[2:30:01] Voice 5: So the ask here is not saying to the Iowans Trust,

[2:30:05] Voice 5: would you please put a sign out that says this?

[2:30:08] Voice 5: Is that what IRL wants?

[2:30:10] Voice 5: That's

[2:30:10] Trustee Fast (probable): not what I meant.

[2:30:11] Trustee Fast (probable): It's that I think you would

[2:30:15] Voice 1: request that BC Ferries

[2:30:19] Voice 1: put a sign on their building that included that,

[2:30:21] Voice 1: and it used to be there.

[2:30:23] Voice 2: Okay, so there's the ask.

[2:30:24] Voice 2: That's what I

[2:30:25] Voice 2: was gonna ask,

[2:30:25] Voice 2: that it used to be there,

[2:30:26] Voice 2: because I'm kind of remembering.

[2:30:27] Voice 1: I think it used

[2:30:28] Trustee Fast (probable): to be there.

[2:30:28] Trustee Fast (probable): That comes in

[2:30:29] Voice 7: the back of my mind, it's

[2:30:30] Trustee Fast (probable): been a couple years since I've seen

[2:30:31] Trustee Fast (probable): that sign, but I think that's the point, the support for BC Ferries to put the sign back on their building

[2:30:38] Voice 10: that says this.

[2:30:40] Voice 10: Is that the sign there

[2:30:41] Voice 10: in the room?

[2:30:42] Voice 5: So let's go back to IR and ask them for the wording that they're proposing that we send to BC Hydro to stick on the sign to put back in the building.

[2:30:51] Voice 5: BC Ferries.

[2:30:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Well, okay.

[2:30:54] Voice 5: I'll correct that motion.

[2:30:55] Voice 5: Okay,

[2:30:56] Trustee Fast (probable): or I can look at the communication plan, because they might put up a sign that only says that, and then say there's no room for your Islands Trust stuff.

[2:31:04] Voice 4: You know?

[2:31:06] Voice 5: We can combine them.

[2:31:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Like, as Islands Trust, we're supposed to work in collaboration.

[2:31:12] Voice 5: If we don't send them a word, it's only a little bit of a problem to say, how are they going to respond to that?

[2:31:18] Voice 5: But, if that's what you...

[2:31:21] Trustee Fast (probable): I would prefer, if I could get some information and bring it to this meeting so we could have a better discussion, I'll look at the communication plan,

[2:31:28] Voice 4: possibly I'll bring it back to them.

[2:31:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, so if we could postpone this discussion until after the meeting.

[2:31:37] Voice 5: Excuse me, Alex. Could you do that before, since we got a request from Hyra, could you do that maybe sooner and let's send it to Hyra so they've just got a response from us?

[2:31:54] Voice 5: do you think it matters i

[2:31:59] Trustee Fast (probable): think the move is to try to get things going as soon as possible

[2:32:03] Trustee Fast (probable): the first meeting of that messaging

[2:32:05] Voice 1: group is in early january

[2:32:06] Voice 1: but i'm thinking is in order to work together it seems to me that that original sign

[2:32:15] Voice 1: may be the sign that's needed and nobody has to think of any more words

[2:32:19] Voice 1: I

[2:32:20] Voice 3: don't

[2:32:21] Trustee Fast (probable): know, and that's what I think needs to be run down, is where the heck is the old sign, so we can review what it says.

[2:32:27] Trustee Fast (probable): So the messaging group that's working under HIRA can review the old sign and say yes or no.

[2:32:34] Voice 2: It doesn't matter, we don't have to do anything.

[2:32:36] Voice 2: I've actually taken a picture of that sign, well, the Denman sign, because I was trying to, when we had ours missing, so the Denman sign is on the side of Buckley Basin.

[2:32:44] Voice 2: I have taken a picture of it.

[2:32:45] Voice 2: You

[2:32:46] Voice 10: know, if that picture could

[2:32:48] Trustee Fast (probable): get to the first meeting in early January, then they could work on that.

[2:32:53] Trustee Fast (probable): Is that?

[2:32:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[2:32:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Could you send your photo?

[2:32:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Mm-hmm.

[2:32:59] Trustee Fast (probable): And

[2:33:00] Voice 10: I'll talk to Ray and Abby

[2:33:01] Trustee Fast (probable): about that, too.

[2:33:02] Trustee Fast (probable): And meanwhile, I would like to postpone discussion about this until February.

[2:33:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Is that okay?

[2:33:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Yep.

[2:33:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:33:12] Trustee Fast (probable): All right.

[2:33:13] Trustee Fast (probable): All right, so it's postponed, and I will come.

[2:33:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you very much.

[2:33:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Thanks, John.

[2:33:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you all very much.

[2:33:25] Voice 3: Thanks for the clarification.

[2:33:26] Voice 3: Bye.

[2:33:27] Voice 3: I

[2:33:32] Trustee Fast (probable): just need to write down, check.

[2:33:37] Voice 8: Do

[2:33:40] Trustee Fast (probable): you want to use my code?

[2:33:41] Voice 8: No.

[2:33:42] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:33:42] Voice 8: All

[2:33:43] Trustee Fast (probable): right, we'll just go faster.

[2:33:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Even faster.

[2:33:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, here is our, we're on number 12.1, page 136.

[2:33:50] Trustee Fast (probable): This is our, sorry, 134.

[2:33:53] Trustee Fast (probable): This is our annual meeting schedule.

[2:33:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Anybody got any concerns about it?

[2:33:56] Voice 5: I'm good with these review hours.

[2:33:57] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:33:58] Voice 5: OK,

[2:33:58] Trustee Fast (probable): so I would like

[2:33:59] Trustee Fast (probable): to hear a motion that's probably there

[2:34:02] Trustee Fast (probable): on page 134.

[2:34:03] Trustee Fast (probable): I'll make that motion.

[2:34:06] Trustee Fast (probable): The Horme Island.

[2:34:09] Voice 2: It's right there.

[2:34:10] Voice 2: The Horme Island Local Trust Committee

[2:34:11] Voice 2: scheduled to regular business meetings on the following date

[2:34:14] Voice 2: in 2022, February 18th, April 29th, June 10th, September

[2:34:18] Voice 2: 9th, and November 25th.

[2:34:20] Voice 5: Thank you.

[2:34:21] Voice 5: Do I have a seconder?

[2:34:21] Voice 5: I first have a motion, so I'm going to start.

[2:34:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, the motion has been motioned and seconded by Grant Scott. Thank you. Any discussion? All

[2:34:33] Trustee Fast (probable): those in favor? Thank you. The motion carries. The meeting is scheduled. You'll start to get invitations sooner or later.

[2:34:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Advisory Planning Commission. Terms expiring. This is on page 136, and here for us to, we used

[2:34:57] Trustee Fast (probable): to use it as an iPad.

[2:34:59] Voice 5: It was very helpful to have all the schedules there, where all the meetings are.

[2:35:04] Voice 5: We sometimes think we're the only local trust committee on the planet.

[2:35:07] Voice 5: You do. Use my language.

[2:35:12] Voice 4: It really helps. Thank you.

[2:35:16] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so page 136, we've got recommendations here, and do we know how many of the terms will expire?

[2:35:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Because it's an active committee.

[2:35:30] Trustee Fast (probable): It's five.

[2:35:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Five?

[2:35:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Every one of them.

[2:35:33] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh, gosh, okay.

[2:35:38] Voice 5: Did the community manager retire from the APC, Kim?

[2:35:45] Voice 5: Yes, Kim resigned.

[2:35:46] Voice 5: So you've got how many victim

[2:35:48] Voice 2: positions do you have now?

[2:35:51] Voice 2: Two.

[2:35:52] Voice 2: But it doesn't have to be seven, it can just be five.

[2:35:55] Voice 2: That's right.

[2:35:55] Voice 2: And we have requested to stay at five.

[2:35:58] Voice 2: That's exactly right.

[2:35:59] Voice 2: Until we get to seven.

[2:36:01] Voice 2: Okay.

[2:36:03] Voice 2: So

[2:36:03] Voice 5: I don't think we can hold it at five legally,

[2:36:08] Voice 5: but we don't have to go meet the budget to find two more.

[2:36:12] Voice 10: The language that we are guided by says to a maximum of seven.

[2:36:17] Voice 10: and it does not say that seven is the legal number and we are only asking to hold at five

[2:36:23] Voice 10: until we finish this particular piece of work because it's a ton

[2:36:27] Trustee Fast (probable): of work to get up to get here

[2:36:32] Voice 10: this indicates

[2:36:33] Voice 10: that some of us could plan to stay on and

[2:36:36] Trustee Fast (probable): then people would come on at the point that

[2:36:39] Trustee Fast (probable): i anticipate we would

[2:36:40] Voice 10: be finished this particular report yeah

[2:36:43] Voice 2: yeah i like that continuity i don't

[2:36:47] Voice 2: It

[2:36:47] Trustee Fast (probable): sounds to me that you're in favor of the recommendation.

[2:36:50] Voice 5: No, I

[2:36:51] Voice 5: have two of them.

[2:36:52] Voice 5: My only concern is the fact that he made it up because somebody wanted to come over and stop him.

[2:37:03] Voice 5: That's not my concern.

[2:37:05] Trustee Fast (probable): And it's not in the motion?

[2:37:06] Voice 5: No, I know.

[2:37:08] Voice 5: Well,

[2:37:10] Voice 10: with respect, Kim just resigned, so we were at six.

[2:37:14] Voice 10: And so it's not that we're holding people away.

[2:37:17] Voice 10: No, no, no.

[2:37:19] Voice 2: Dining the door is numb.

[2:37:20] Voice 10: Not really. It's more that we are in the middle of a fairly extensive process.

[2:37:27] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, okay.

[2:37:28] Voice 2: I move.

[2:37:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, go ahead.

[2:37:30] Voice 2: I move that the Horton County Local Trust Committee request staff to send letters to members of the Advisory Planning Commission

[2:37:35] Voice 2: whose terms will expire March 31st, 2022.

[2:37:39] Voice 2: Thank you then for their participation in inviting their expressions of interest for reappointment for another two-year term

[2:37:45] Voice 2: and be advertised for public expressions of interest from these members.

[2:37:49] Voice 2: But, no.

[2:37:52] Voice 2: You're

[2:37:52] Trustee Fast (probable): not going to move that second one?

[2:37:53] Trustee Fast (probable): The second one

[2:37:54] Voice 2: is what we're not going to do, right?

[2:37:58] Voice 2: Because you wanted to stay there until you finished the project.

[2:38:00] Voice 10: We're planning to finish this particular referral by the end of our term.

[2:38:07] Voice 10: Okay, so what is it?

[2:38:08] Voice 10: So if you wanted to put two more people on, they would come in who's in the way first?

[2:38:14] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:38:14] Voice 10: Right?

[2:38:15] Voice 10: Is that how it works?

[2:38:16] Voice 10: um

[2:38:17] Voice 11: it could go stating that the next term starts later and that would be okay too so it could pass

[2:38:28] Voice 11: both okay let's do that so

[2:38:30] Trustee Fast (probable): it also lets you build in some continuity yeah yeah all

[2:38:33] Voice 2: right so then uh

[2:38:34] Voice 2: be advertised for public expressions of interest for new members okay thank

[2:38:38] Voice 5: you new members after

[2:38:39] Voice 5: after the name is that what you suggested you can

[2:38:43] Voice 11: just leave it like that

[2:38:44] Voice 5: we don't have

[2:38:45] Voice 11: We can leave it like that, and then it's more flexible, and we can discuss it.

[2:38:53] Voice 5: Did I second it?

[2:38:56] Voice 6: No, not until you second it right now.

[2:38:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, you seconded it.

[2:39:02] Trustee Fast (probable): I've had a motion to move by Trustee Allen and seconded by Grant Scott.

[2:39:06] Trustee Fast (probable): Any more discussion?

[2:39:07] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, all those in favor?

[2:39:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[2:39:10] Trustee Fast (probable): Three hands went up.

[2:39:11] Trustee Fast (probable): That passes unanimously.

[2:39:12] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, everybody.

[2:39:13] Trustee Fast (probable): And now we're on...

[2:39:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Do

[2:39:14] Voice 5: you think the five are going to last, right?

[2:39:19] Voice 5: I don't know.

[2:39:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Depends on the weather.

[2:39:20] Trustee Fast (probable): No, I personally think yes.

[2:39:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh, that's good.

[2:39:24] Voice 1: I think they're having fun.

[2:39:25] Voice 1: But who

[2:39:26] Trustee Fast (probable): knows what's going to happen.

[2:39:27] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, you never know.

[2:39:28] Trustee Fast (probable): It also leaves you, if something does happen, you can, yeah.

[2:39:33] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:39:34] Voice 10: And if I could say that the support of the planner to bring that business case forward has really helped.

[2:39:40] Voice 10: Oh, good.

[2:39:41] Voice 10: And our feeling of what's going to happen.

[2:39:43] Voice 10: Good.

[2:39:44] Voice 10: Good.

[2:39:45] Trustee Fast (probable): What about three?

[2:39:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Ability of, oh, this is just me.

[2:39:50] Trustee Fast (probable): We don't have to spend a lot of time on this.

[2:39:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Ability of advisor, planning commissioner, working group to present as a delegation.

[2:39:55] Trustee Fast (probable): This is just regarding the LTC meeting procedures.

[2:39:59] Trustee Fast (probable): I think there's something in there about delegations,

[2:40:02] Trustee Fast (probable): and I didn't know if our own appointed APC

[2:40:08] Trustee Fast (probable): or any working groups that we might appoint

[2:40:10] Trustee Fast (probable): in the future is on that.

[2:40:12] Trustee Fast (probable): So I just wanted to flag that for any future consideration

[2:40:15] Trustee Fast (probable): of the LTC procedures, but in case it's significant,

[2:40:21] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't think we need to discuss it here.

[2:40:23] Trustee Fast (probable): Screening with dust and bones.

[2:40:25] Trustee Fast (probable): So this is, I don't have a page number on here, but I did find an email from Lisa Wilcox.

[2:40:36] Trustee Fast (probable): And this was back in October about whether Hornby wanted to screen Dustin Bowles on Hornby.

[2:40:47] Trustee Fast (probable): They did it on them and they had a good turnout and a successful project happened there.

[2:40:55] Trustee Fast (probable): So I just wanted to flag is it is now the time for or be or do you want to wait until?

[2:41:01] Trustee Fast (probable): After Christmas now, I mean it would have to be

[2:41:04] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah,

[2:41:05] Voice 2: yeah,

[2:41:08] Trustee Fast (probable): so is there one of you that would like to

[2:41:13] Trustee Fast (probable): Get in touch with Lisa about this or should we just have it on the next agenda? Yeah, okay

[2:41:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Until the next agenda and then the next thing I've got in here is

[2:41:27] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, Harvey Venues in Columbia.

[2:41:30] Trustee Fast (probable): I mean, if

[2:41:31] Voice 5: you think maybe we would want to do this,

[2:41:34] Voice 5: we're doing it with you.

[2:41:37] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh, no, they have this in person.

[2:41:39] Trustee Fast (probable): They had Harold, Joe, and Les and Blaine come.

[2:41:45] Trustee Fast (probable): There's a cost for it.

[2:41:47] Voice 5: Well, I'm just wondering whether it's a good idea to put it on.

[2:41:49] Voice 5: We don't need to put it anywhere anywhere.

[2:41:57] Voice 2: We'll put it on for this long term.

[2:41:58] Voice 2: I mean, it could even be in the fall.

[2:42:00] Voice 2: I mean, it's

[2:42:01] Voice 8: kind of

[2:42:03] Voice 8: a cliche, but

[2:42:03] Voice 2: as soon as it's practical, it's something about putting it on the table next time.

[2:42:08] Voice 2: Well, there's things like the hall, if it's going to be in the hall, there's logistics that are already in the hall, there's a lot of unknowns.

[2:42:13] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[2:42:15] Trustee Fast (probable): See, what we moved back in December 2017 was that LTC requested staff organize two or more community dialogue sessions

[2:42:27] Trustee Fast (probable): sessions focused on First Nations and related topics of interest and invite First Nations

[2:42:33] Trustee Fast (probable): and that kind of thing. And then Lisa goes on here in this email from October 21st, October

[2:42:40] Trustee Fast (probable): this year, to talk about the Denman one. But I didn't have this email included in the agenda,

[2:42:50] Trustee Fast (probable): so you haven't looked at it, so you don't know what I'm talking about in it, obviously.

[2:42:53] Trustee Fast (probable): obviously. Yeah, so it has. So let's move it to the next one. Because I'm not hearing

[2:43:01] Trustee Fast (probable): a huge rush here. And then we'll have a better sense of maybe I can get a better idea from

[2:43:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Laura and David about how that one on Denman went. And okay, let's go find out more. And

[2:43:20] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, and 12.5 here is just the Hornby Venues and Connectivity. I just took, I put this on here because I had a quick chat with Grant about the weather the other day, and we talked about, we've had an event at the other venue.

[2:43:40] Voice 5: Yeah, New Horizons, they've got a really good screen there and pretty good visual setup.

[2:43:47] Voice 5: Now, it has the same internet connectivity problems as here, but this is maybe something,

[2:43:54] Voice 5: and once we get this fiber optics, it's a place to hold these meetings where we can actually zoom it,

[2:44:00] Voice 5: you know, but then when fiber optics gets here, it looks.

[2:44:08] Voice 5: But it just was very, it was very limited what we could do there.

[2:44:12] Voice 5: What could you do?

[2:44:14] Voice 5: But there's that smart box thing TELUS has got.

[2:44:16] Voice 5: I don't know if you guys are aware of that.

[2:44:19] Voice 5: if you can get a basic internet connection, which we obviously did.

[2:44:26] Voice 5: I'm just wondering whether we don't, whether New Horizons would be able to do it.

[2:44:30] Voice 5: It might be something to ask our techie people.

[2:44:35] Voice 5: Because, did

[2:44:36] Trustee Fast (probable): you get one at your house?

[2:44:37] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:44:38] Voice 5: And

[2:44:38] Trustee Fast (probable): how much did it cost?

[2:44:39] Trustee Fast (probable): It

[2:44:43] Voice 5: was $80. We already paid $75 a month.

[2:44:47] Voice 5: Oh, okay.

[2:44:48] Voice 5: For the floor thing, so we got it for $80 a month, so it actually went up, but presumably, I don't know.

[2:44:53] Voice 5: Okay, that would be my answer.

[2:44:56] Trustee Fast (probable): The Smart Hub won't work at New Horizons because there's not enough cell signal.

[2:45:01] Trustee Fast (probable): New Horizons has no connectivity

[2:45:02] Voice 10: unless the library is operating.

[2:45:05] Voice 10: The Archives has internet, but it's very slow unless you have a booster.

[2:45:10] Voice 10: The Archives is just across the parking lot.

[2:45:12] Voice 10: So at the moment, technically, there is no internet in New Horizons.

[2:45:19] Voice 10: If

[2:45:20] Trustee Fast (probable): the library is operating, because I was there once when the library was operating, and I'm wondering if we...

[2:45:25] Trustee Fast (probable): They do operate on Fridays.

[2:45:27] Voice 2: But what I'll say is that the New Horizons is really good if we ever want to have any presentations on computer PowerPoint or anything like that because it's got a screen.

[2:45:37] Voice 2: So it's really good for that if we ever need that in future meetings.

[2:45:41] Voice 2: But also, we

[2:45:42] Voice 2: always get bumped by yoga, so there's another issue.

[2:45:49] Trustee Fast (probable): It's

[2:45:49] Voice 5: a much more comfortable room in this place.

[2:45:53] Voice 5: It's a little bit warmer.

[2:45:58] Voice 5: It's

[2:45:59] Trustee Fast (probable): a little bit bigger.

[2:45:59] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[2:45:59] Voice 5: think it works great.

[2:46:02] Voice 5: It's

[2:46:02] Trustee Fast (probable): got the joint sound system, so for people who have trouble hearing.

[2:46:05] Voice 2: Yeah, and microphones, etc., etc.

[2:46:07] Trustee Fast (probable): And I'm wondering if we can either, you know, for the better meetings, whether it might be worth exploring whether the library could turn on their Wi-Fi for us.

[2:46:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Could we pay them a donation or something?

[2:46:21] Trustee Fast (probable): The library

[2:46:22] Voice 2: is open on Fridays, and that's usually our meeting, so, yeah.

[2:46:27] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, so I

[2:46:28] Trustee Fast (probable): just wanted to have this.

[2:46:29] Voice 5: You can see it in the roundabout region, as you just said.

[2:46:32] Voice 5: Yeah, okay.

[2:46:32] Voice 5: So

[2:46:33] Trustee Fast (probable): I just wanted to put that up there, and I think I'm going to suggest, too, that we, coming in from the office, might want to get in touch with the chair of the UBC who's supposed to know all this stuff.

[2:46:44] Trustee Fast (probable): And then, because if there's a way to improve access for everybody, that will help us, including getting planners to present their reports and also to work towards other meetings in the future, you know, and so that's my suggestion. Okay, great. Thank you.

[2:47:09] Trustee Fast (probable): Wendy

[2:47:10] Voice 2: also knows the average rainfall of the Congo in November, and any other

[2:47:15] Voice 2: information you require.

[2:47:16] Trustee Fast (probable): Well

[2:47:17] Voice 2: everybody,

[2:47:19] Trustee Fast (probable): I think, oh wait, I've got to turn over the page, Michael, there's more things up here.

[2:47:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, Trust Conservancy Report is in your package, and we saw that also at Trust Council.

[2:47:32] Trustee Fast (probable): Council. And the Heron newsletter is in there. I'm just trying to make sure people in the

[2:47:36] Trustee Fast (probable): community see these things that the Conservancy is quietly beavering in.

[2:47:40] Voice 1: Nice icon, Louise Bell.

[2:47:41] Voice 1: Yeah.

[2:47:42] Trustee Fast (probable): And applications report. Questions for the planner? Page 147.

[2:47:48] Voice 5: No, I don't think so.

[2:47:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:47:49] Trustee Fast (probable): I don't think so.

[2:47:51] Trustee Fast (probable): You okay there, Al?

[2:47:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Yes,

[2:47:53] Voice 2: I am, thanks.

[2:47:53] Trustee Fast (probable): The only other business... Okay, trustee and local expense report. Any questions?

[2:47:58] Voice 2: No.

[2:47:59] Trustee Fast (probable): Adopted policy standing resolution.

[2:48:01] Voice 5: Sorry, I got a question.

[2:48:01] Voice 5: Here's a question.

[2:48:02] Voice 5: Yeah, I got a question. I went down there in the summer, and Dad Morris and I were talking about the home.

[2:48:10] Voice 5: What are the expenses for the trust stuff? Is that the kind of thing that you could pay for?

[2:48:23] Voice 5: I

[2:48:23] Trustee Fast (probable): think it has

[2:48:24] Voice 8: to be by motion of the local trust committee.

[2:48:25] Voice 5: I thought you gave me that in hindsight.

[2:48:36] Voice 2: That should have been a motion, no?

[2:48:39] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, usually, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you bring it to the local trust committee, and we approve it, because we've only got that much money.

[2:48:50] Trustee Fast (probable): Or we don't approve it, in which case you know where you stand.

[2:48:54] Trustee Fast (probable): But you can

[2:48:55] Voice 2: still write it off another way through your income tax.

[2:49:01] Voice 2: I'll

[2:49:01] Trustee Fast (probable): let you guys talk about this outside the meeting.

[2:49:04] Voice 5: We can't

[2:49:04] Voice 5: make that retroactive.

[2:49:09] Voice 11: It might be possible.

[2:49:13] Voice 11: Oh, okay.

[2:49:14] Trustee Fast (probable): But I would think, was it more

[2:49:17] Voice 2: beyond

[2:49:18] Trustee Fast (probable): local trust business?

[2:49:20] Voice 2: No, that's what I mean.

[2:49:34] Trustee Fast (probable): And

[2:49:34] Voice 2: in the same regard, when I got the email from Dan, I immediately did the early registration

[2:49:39] Voice 2: for the Sailor C, and then afterwards I got that email from Peter Johnson saying, oh do

[2:49:46] Voice 2: we have to have a motion to cover it to pay for it?

[2:49:48] Voice 2: So I thought, well it's $50, I'll pay for it, I don't care.

[2:49:51] Voice 2: So did I have to, is it supposed to be some motion, am I, what

[2:49:54] Trustee Fast (probable): are we supposed to do?

[2:49:56] Trustee Fast (probable): This is a great question. Early registration for the Salish Sea Conference is something that Oranby Island trustees, and I went last year, it was great, you were there. It was an online thing last year, right?

[2:50:10] Trustee Fast (probable): It's still online.

[2:50:11] Trustee Fast (probable): It's still online? Yeah. So it's only $50. Do we want to, do you local trustees want to go? I can go through, we did this at Honest Trust Conservancy, and we made a motion that, okay, so how would such a motion, if you're interested in going, it's only

[2:50:31] Voice 2: $100 for both of us.

[2:50:37] Voice 2: Yeah, so we can lose that $100 in

[2:50:45] Trustee Fast (probable): registration fees for

[2:50:47] Voice 2: the

[2:50:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Sailor Sea Ecosystem

[2:50:53] Voice 2: Conference in April 2022.

[2:50:56] Voice 2: So I already had a request to

[2:50:58] Voice 5: talk to somebody about Scott's cost.

[2:51:04] Voice 5: Oh,

[2:51:04] Trustee Fast (probable): hang on. We'll do one motion at a time.

[2:51:06] Trustee Fast (probable): So this is for trustees Allen and Scott.

[2:51:14] Voice 2: If I've already prayed for it, I can just cancel it and just pay for it again?

[2:51:19] Trustee Fast (probable): I think you're going to get reimbursed if you pass.

[2:51:22] Voice 2: Okay, I was thinking about it.

[2:51:25] Trustee Fast (probable): So any questions?

[2:51:30] Trustee Fast (probable): So

[2:51:30] Voice 11: it's for trustees, 50 for each for registration.

[2:51:37] Voice 11: Yeah, that's fine.

[2:51:41] Voice 11: I've got to approve the LTC approved registration fees for the SAILC conference in April.

[2:51:48] Trustee Fast (probable): For Trustee Scott

[2:51:49] Voice 11: and Allen.

[2:51:50] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:51:53] Trustee Fast (probable): Sound good?

[2:51:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah.

[2:51:54] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay.

[2:51:57] Trustee Fast (probable): Do I have a...

[2:51:58] Trustee Fast (probable): I think I might have made that motion.

[2:52:00] Trustee Fast (probable): Do I have a seconder?

[2:52:01] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you, Grant Scott.

[2:52:03] Trustee Fast (probable): Any further discussion?

[2:52:05] Voice 8: I don't have a seconder.

[2:52:06] Voice 8: Very good.

[2:52:08] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[2:52:09] Trustee Fast (probable): That passes unanimously.

[2:52:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Very good.

[2:52:14] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you for bringing that up.

[2:52:15] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, these things, if they could cut before the conference actually happens, then yeah.

[2:52:21] Voice 5: So do we need one request whether I can get reimbursed for that?

[2:52:26] Voice 5: Well, I'd like to know

[2:52:28] Voice 2: exactly how much you did regarding the local trust committee down there.

[2:52:33] Voice 2: To be honest, because she talked to you.

[2:52:35] Voice 5: Well, I was bringing a whole experience with the local trust committee to that discussion around all the policies

[2:52:42] Voice 5: and make sure that, you know, I don't deserve it.

[2:52:46] Voice 5: But

[2:52:46] Voice 2: you didn't come back and share that with me.

[2:52:50] Voice 6: And it wasn't shared with the committee.

[2:52:53] Voice 5: No, I

[2:52:53] Voice 5: mean, you can say, no, I wasn't even requesting it.

[2:52:56] Voice 5: I was wondering if it could be used.

[2:53:06] Trustee Fast (probable): It sounds like it was the, uh, John's Programs Committee.

[2:53:11] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, because then you get a stipend when you go to a meeting.

[2:53:17] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, yeah, okay.

[2:53:23] Trustee Fast (probable): And I don't think, it's just so far after the fact.

[2:53:28] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah,

[2:53:28] Voice 2: it's like me asking for it.

[2:53:37] Voice 2: The

[2:53:39] Trustee Fast (probable): trustee expense report, page 154, and the adopted policies and standing resolutions

[2:53:46] Trustee Fast (probable): are just for reference, and local trust committee webpage, we'll just leave that for now.

[2:53:53] Trustee Fast (probable): else. Priorities report page 160. Want to just have a look at

[2:54:00] Trustee Fast (probable): where we are, because we're thinking about if there's any

[2:54:05] Trustee Fast (probable): questions for the plan.

[2:54:15] Voice 2: This

[2:54:15] Trustee Fast (probable): is to the project says you were thinking about adding the

[2:54:17] Trustee Fast (probable): community heritage register. But this is just our top priority.

[2:54:21] Trustee Fast (probable): So the first three top ones, right, we're still working on

[2:54:25] Trustee Fast (probable): That's the OCP, Watershed Protection, and more OCP with the minimum lot area.

[2:54:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Did we get to take that off?

[2:54:37] Voice 5: Number

[2:54:38] Trustee Fast (probable): three there, Heather, on page zero.

[2:54:43] Trustee Fast (probable): That's the minimum average lot area coverage.

[2:54:47] Trustee Fast (probable): So I guess we can

[2:54:47] Voice 11: take that off.

[2:54:49] Voice 11: It's not quite complete.

[2:54:51] Voice 11: It's the OCP by law still being reviewed by the Ministry.

[2:54:54] Voice 11: Oh, right, right.

[2:54:55] Trustee Fast (probable): Right. Okay. But we can look forward to that coming up. And we can see the other priorities are moving. So the projects list is here. And are there things you want to take off it or things you want to add, like the Community Heritage Register?

[2:55:15] Trustee Fast (probable): I

[2:55:16] Voice 2: wanted to add the community heritage registry.

[2:55:21] Trustee Fast (probable): And I was thinking that it kind of overlapped a little bit maybe with use area planning, maybe not.

[2:55:30] Trustee Fast (probable): Because she did say she just wanted the public ones, right? The public heritage.

[2:55:36] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, do you want to make a motion to pass?

[2:55:42] Voice 2: I move that we add the heritage registry, what is it called?

[2:55:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Community heritage?

[2:55:54] Voice 2: Community heritage registry.

[2:55:58] Voice 2: I move that the establishment of a Hornby Community Heritage Register be recorded.

[2:56:08] Voice 2: It's just a register, isn't it?

[2:56:10] Voice 2: But apparently it requires a lot more work.

[2:56:12] Voice 2: No, it's just the word.

[2:56:13] Voice 2: Oh,

[2:56:14] Trustee Fast (probable): the word registry or register?

[2:56:16] Voice 2: It's not a registry, it's a register.

[2:56:18] Trustee Fast (probable): Sorry, register.

[2:56:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Yeah, you're right.

[2:56:19] Trustee Fast (probable): Excuse me.

[2:56:22] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, I'll second it.

[2:56:24] Trustee Fast (probable): Any discussion? All in favour?

[2:56:29] Trustee Fast (probable): That carries unanimously, and thank you very much, trustees.

[2:56:35] Trustee Fast (probable): fees. I think we got to the end of our agenda.

[2:56:37] Trustee Fast (probable): And now we're

[2:56:38] Trustee Fast (probable): at, I think so we just sat

[2:56:43] Trustee Fast (probable): our next meeting, didn't we?

[2:56:44] Trustee Fast (probable): Was that

[2:56:45] Trustee Fast (probable): January, the date that you read

[2:56:47] Trustee Fast (probable): out in your motion? February.

[2:56:49] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh yeah.

[2:56:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Page 134.

[2:56:53] Voice 2: February 18th.

[2:56:55] Trustee Fast (probable): February 18th. Thank you, I missed it.

[2:56:58] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay. February

[2:57:00] Trustee Fast (probable): 18th. Yeah.

[2:57:03] Trustee Fast (probable): And that's great.

[2:57:06] Trustee Fast (probable): And then we'll see

[2:57:08] Trustee Fast (probable): which venue it's in and all that.

[2:57:09] Trustee Fast (probable): I took a speed test of the Wi-Fi here, and I'll send that to Wilco.

[2:57:16] Voice 8: What does it do?

[2:57:17] Voice 8: I'll just show you.

[2:57:24] Voice 2: There.

[2:57:26] Trustee Fast (probable): 9 up.

[2:57:27] Trustee Fast (probable): 9.06.

[2:57:29] Voice 2: Up.

[2:57:29] Trustee Fast (probable): Down.

[2:57:30] Voice 2: No, down.

[2:57:31] Trustee Fast (probable): Oh, down.

[2:57:32] Voice 2: Yeah, 9.8.

[2:57:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Down.

[2:57:34] Trustee Fast (probable): Woo!

[2:57:40] Trustee Fast (probable): Adjourned.

[2:57:40] Trustee Fast (probable): And can I have a motion to adjourn?

[2:57:42] Trustee Fast (probable): Everybody's looking at their phone.

[2:57:43] Trustee Fast (probable): Grant has a

[2:57:44] Trustee Fast (probable): vote to adjourn.

[2:57:45] Trustee Fast (probable): Do you second?

[2:57:46] Trustee Fast (probable): I second.

[2:57:46] Trustee Fast (probable): Okay, thank you.

[2:57:47] Trustee Fast (probable): All in favor?

[2:57:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[2:57:48] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[2:57:50] Trustee Fast (probable): The meeting is adjourned.

[2:57:51] Trustee Fast (probable): Thanks, everybody.

[2:57:52] Trustee Fast (probable): Thank you.

[2:57:53] Trustee Fast (probable): I'm going to stop the recording.

ADOPTED 
Hornby Islands  ADOPTED 1 
Local Trust Committee Minutes 
December 10, 2021 
 
Hornby Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
December 10, 2021 
Room to Grow 
2100 Sollans Road, Hornby Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 Alex Allen, Local Trustee 
 Grant Scott, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Katherine Vogt, Recorder by Speakerphone 
  
Others Present: Approximately ten (10) members of the public 
  
1. CALL TO ORDER 
"Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Fast called the meeting to order at 10:32 am.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. She introduced Trustees and staff. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
 Add item 12.5: Hornby Venues and Connectivity. 
By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
Recorder Katherine Vogt left the meeting at 10:44 am, with permission from Chair Fast, due to technical 
problems. 
3. RISE AND REPORT - IN CAMERA MEETING OCTOBER 8, 2021 
Chair Fast reported that at the last in camera meeting of October 8, 2021, Trustees adopted the 
Minutes of previous In-Camera meetings. 
4. REPORTS 
4.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Scott provided a summary of activities and meetings attended: 
 A recent Trust Council meeting and discussion with Salt Spring Island Trustee Laura 
Patrick regarding housing shortages affecting hospital workers. 
 Trustee Scott will be on the Islands Trust Policy Statement review committee. 

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 The Thatch development has contended with the discovery of deeper layers of 
Indigenous material, sensitive Provincial Government and First Nations’ 
negotiations, and delayed communications to local Hornby Trustees. The order of 
building development at the Thatch has been rearranged so that the Townhome 
portion of the development is being built first, though it was supposed to have been 
built last. Going forward, Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor Lisa Wilcox will be 
reporting as much as possible to local Trustees, so that local Trustees can report 
back to residents. 
 A recent meeting with Clare Frater, Director of Trust Area Services, regarding First 
Nations and Islands Trust communications. 
 
Trustee Allen provided a summary of activities and meetings attended: 
 A recent Trust Council meeting. 
 The upcoming Hornby Island official Community Plan review will begin in April 2022, 
will last about a year, and will allow for plenty of public consultation. 
 The Draft Islands Trust Policy Statement is undergoing further review, with the 
hiring of a consultant and public notices going out in January. Hornby resident input 
is encouraged. 
 A region-wide local government community forum electronic meeting which 
included the Mayor of Sayward. 
 Hornby island Residents’ and Ratepayers’ Association electronic meetings. 
4.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Fast provided a summary of activities and meetings attended: 
 A recent Executive Committee meeting which was a very efficient first full hybrid 
meeting of in person and electronic participants. 
 Public demands for Zoom meeting participation options. 
 The Islands Trust draft budget will be coming back for review in March 2022 and 
Hornby resident input is encouraged. 
 An upcoming Bowen Island Municipal Council meeting. 
4.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
None. 
5. TOWN HALL  
Members of the public commented and the following was noted: 
 Regarding the Islands Trust Draft Policy Statement, Chair of the Hornby Island Advisory 
Planning Commission (APC) Wendy Burton, shared that a campaign of disinformation on 
local Facebook and Twitter forums was disturbing. 
 Regarding the Islands Trust Draft Policy Statement, the long-term resident is concerned that 
Agenda-21 global initiatives were steadily encroaching and influencing the Islands Trust and 
local communities negatively. 
o Chair Fast advised that the public could email responses to the Islands Trust Draft Policy 
Statement to Islands 2050 on the Islands Trust website at islandstrust.bc.ca. 
o Trustee Scott requested a copy of the Agenda-21 document. 
 Regarding the application HO-SUB-2021.1 (Paterson/Wetzel) for a 10% Lot Frontage Waiver 
Request; the neighboring resident supports the 10% waiver; but is concerned about the 

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proposed driveway access and wants planning staff to consider a safer, more manageable, 
Anderson Road access. 
o Chair Fast invited the applicant to email this information to 
northinfo@islandstrust.bc.ca where it would be directed to the appropriate planner. 
6. DELEGATIONS 
6.1 Advisory Planning Commission - Wendy Burton, Chair - Official Community Plan (OCP) 
Language Change Recommendations  
APC Chair Wendy Burton noted the following: 
It was unfortunate and the fault of no one that the OCP document given in the 
agenda package obscured the language changes made as highlighted in the original 
Word document. 
 The APC considered that their recommendations were mainly more inclusive, rather 
than substantial, and that previous OCPs had contained no language that recognized 
that First Nations had occupied Hornby Island for thousands of years consistently 
and permanently. 
 Under item 1.4 Historical Perspectives, first paragraph, the APC has recommended a 
substantial change to the existing OCP language which is to replace the following 
paragraph: 
Someone has said "a people without a history can have no vision." The people of 
Hornby Island are standing on history. It is to be found in the remnants of snake 
fences, and in the derelict orchards, in the blackened shell-flecked soil around the 
shores, and in the Indigenous trees and shrubs from which the first people took 
their sustenance. 
 
With the following paragraph: 
 
Perhaps the phrase “a people without a history can have no vision for the future,” 
was an attitude of European settlers in the 1600s on Hornby Island and elsewhere 
around the Salish Sea. That recent history on Hornby is in the remnants of snake 
fences and derelict orchards of settlers. However, the present population is 
standing on a much longer history found in the blackened shell-flecked soil in 
shoreline middens, in upland pits for preparation of food or shelter, further inland n 
trees modified for cedar bark for clothing, baskets and nets, and in the oral history 
of plants and shrubs from which the first people take their sustenance. That long 
oral history covers thousands of years of the use and occupation of Hornby Island 
before contact. 
 
 Although it is the Kòmoks and Pentlatch people that consider Hornby Island as their 
traditional permanently occupied territory, there are 5 other First Nations that 
travelled through the area. 
 The APC appreciates being given the opportunity to recommend these OCP 
language changes and has now moved on to housing and short- term vacation 
rentals issues with recommendations to be finalized in March 2022. 
 

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Chair Fast and Trustees thanked APC Chair Burton and members of the APC for their work 
on the First Nations OCP Language referral. 
6.2 Hornby Island Residents' and Ratepayers' Association (HIRRA) Regarding 
Establishment of a Hornby Community Heritage Register 
6.2.1 Letter dated November 23, 2021 from Hornby Island Residents' and Ratepayers' 
Association 
Margaret Birch spoke to Trustees on behalf of the Community Hall Committee 
initiative to establish a Hornby Island Community Heritage Register modeled on 
the one recently completed on Denman Island. The Register would formalize an 
official list of historic places which have heritage value or heritage character and 
would allow for heritage funding opportunities. 
 
Trustees deferred consideration to 14.2 Projects List. 
7. MINUTES 
7.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated October 8, 2021 - for adoption 
The following amendments to the minutes were presented for consideration: 
 Page 4, Bullet point 5, lines 3 and 5, correct Hornby Island Ratepayers Association 
(HIRA) with Hornby Island Residents’ and Ratepayers’ Association (HIRRA) 
By general consent the minutes of October 8, 2021 were adopted as amended. 
7.2 Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record dated October 8, 2021 - for receipt 
Received. 
7.3 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report dated November 26, 2021 
Received. 
7.4 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes dated September 24, 2021 - for receipt 
Received. 
7.5 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes dated October 29, 2021 - for receipt 
Received. 
8. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
8.1 Follow-up Action List Report dated December 1, 2021 
Trustee Allen requested further information from Regional Planning Manager Kauer on 
the status of the revised Watershed Protection and Groundwater Project Charter for 
next meeting. 
 
Regarding Temporary Use Permits (TUP) for seasonal worker accommodation, Regional 
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accommodations in areas not zoned to allow for it. Advertising for the availability of 
these TUPs would need to begin soon to allow for accommodations in April 2022. 
 
Trustee Allen expressed his understanding that these TUPs were for moveable 
accommodations (tents and recreational vehicles), not already existing permanent 
structures. 
 
Trustees deferred this item to the next agenda.   
 
By general consent the meeting recessed at 11:45 am and reconvened at 12:15 pm. 
9. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
9.1 HO-SUB-2020.2 (Gutstein and Burrows 1410 Carmichael Rd.) - 10% Frontage Waiver - 
Staff Report - for decision 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer presented the staff report prepared by Island Planner 
Mahikwa, which requests that Trustees consider exempting one of the two lots in the 
proposed subdivision plan from the 10% frontage requirement, given that one of the 
lots is a panhandle configuration. 
 
Trustee Allen expressed concern that neighbors were not being notified of these types 
of waiver applications.  
o Regional Planning Manager Kauer responded that it was not a legal requirement. 
 
HO-2021-068 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that, per Local Government Act Section 512(2), that the Hornby Island Local Trust 
Committee exempt the “Proposed Lot 2” in the subdivision layout plan for HO-SUB-
2020.2 from meeting Hornby Island Land Use Bylaw regulation 6.6(1), the minimum 10% 
lot frontage on a highway requirement and suggest that the Minister of Transportation 
and Infrastructure inform the adjacent neighbors as part of the approval process. 
CARRIED 
9.2 HO-SUB-2021.1 (Wetzel (Patterson) - 2025 Belcarra Rd.) - 10% Frontage Waiver - Staff 
Report for decision 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer presented the staff report prepared by Island Planner 
Mahikwa that requests that Trustees consider a 10% frontage waiver for the “Proposed 
Western Lot” of the HO-SUB-2021.1 subdivision application to minimize Species at Risk 
vegetation removal for the provision of road access.  
The applicant, speaking to Trustees, noted that a north side road access would impact 
neighbors and an existing trail negatively, thus a south side road access was preferable. 
Both ends of the road tended to be wet. 
Trustee Allen suggested that the traffic safety concerns raised by neighboring resident 
Barbara Baird during the Townhall session could be addressed in the future by the 
Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure (MOTI). 

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HO-2021-069 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that, per Local Government Act Section 512(2), the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee 
exempt the “Proposed Western Lot” in the subdivision layout plan for HO-SUB-2021.1 
from meeting Hornby Island Land Use Bylaw regulation 6.6(1), the minimum 10% lot 
frontage on a highway requirement. 
CARRIED 
9.3 HO-DVP-2021.3 (Wall and Bixby -9300 Central Road) - Staff Report for decision 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer presented the staff report prepared by Island Planner 
Dubyna which requests that Trustees deny the application for the siting of a swimming 
pool and pool shed within the 8.0 metre required setback because the Islands Trust 
Conservancy Board rejected the proposal for insufficient setback to an adjacent 
covenant protected oak grove, and because the applicant could build within the 
required setback. 
HO-2021-070 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island local Trust Committee deny application HO-DVP-2021.3. 
CARRIED 
9.4 HO-DVP-2021.2 - (Wiig - 3930 Brigantine Cres.) - Staff Report for decision 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer presented the staff report prepared by Island Planner 
Mahikwa which regards the applicant’s request for an LTC waiver of a certified site 
survey for their new application.  
The applicant, speaking to Trustees, explained that a certified site survey at a cost of 
$4000.00 was onerous, given that the re-siting of their original tree-destroyed cabin was 
believed to be grandfathered, was more preferable to their neighbors, and was well 
within all setbacks. 
HO-2021-071 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island local Trust Committee waive the requirement for a survey plan 
signed by a B.C. Land Surveyor and direct staff to proceed with Development Variance 
Permit application HO DVP 2021.2 (Wiig). 
CARRIED 
10. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
10.1 Official Community Plan (OCP) and Land Use Bylaw (LUB) Review Project Business 
Case - Staff Report for decision 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer asked Trustees to consider the sufficiency of their 
$15,000.00 funding request from Trust Council to hire a consultant to process new 
bylaws based on APC recommendations, given that the First Nations’ capacity funding 
needed to review referrals generated by the OCP review may need to come from the 
same budget. 

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HO-2021-072 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island local Trust Committee requests that the issue of capacity funding 
for First Nations for Islands Trust referrals be placed on the next Trust Council agenda. 
CARRIED 
HO-2021-073 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island local Trust Committee requests staff to provide clarification on 
the roles of the consultant, Staff, and Local Trust Committee on the Hornby Island OCP 
review. 
CARRIED 
HO-2021-074 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island local Trust Committee endorse the business case for the OCP 
review. 
CARRIED 
11. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
11.1 Letter dated November 23, 2021 from Hornby Island Residents' and Ratepayers' 
Association (HIRRA) regarding Limited Visitor Accommodation Signage at Buckley Bay 
It was determined that the original Hornby Island Visitors sign, that had for many years, 
been attached to the external wall of the original B.C. Ferries comfort building at 
Buckley Bay Terminal, was in an unknown location and that it would be beneficial to find 
it.  
 
Chair Fast offered to investigate Islands Trust signage protocols and opportunities.   
Discussion of this item was postponed until the next LTC Business meeting in February 
2022.  
12. NEW BUSINESS 
12.1 2022 Annual Meeting Schedule - for decision and discussion 
HO-2021-075 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee schedule its regular business meetings on 
the following dates in 2022: February 18, April 29, June 10, September 9 and November 
25. 
CARRIED 
12.2 Advisory Planning Commission - Terms Expiring March 31, 2022 - Staff Report for 
decision 

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HO-2021-076 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee request staff to send letters to members 
of the Advisory Planning Commission whose terms will expire on March 31, 2022, 
thanking them for their participation and inviting their expressions of interest for 
reappointment for another two-year term; and advertise for public expressions of 
interest for new members. 
CARRIED 
12.3 Ability of Advisory Planning Commission or Working Group to Present as a Delegation 
- for discussion 
Chair Fast explained that LTC meeting procedures on delegations needed to be clarified. 
12.4 Screening of Dust 'n Bones - for discussion 
Discussion of screening of the film Dust ‘n Bones on Hornby Island was postponed until 
the next LTC business meeting in February, 2022. 
12.5 Hornby Venues and Connectivity 
The following comments were noted: 
 New Horizons and Room to grow have similar internet connectivity problems. 
 New Horizons has a large viewing screen and may be able to be connected by Smart 
Hub. It is a good venue for presentations using the screen.  
 New Horizons has no internet connectivity unless the library is operating and there 
is a booster for the signal. The library is open on Fridays which is the day for LTC 
meetings. 
 It would be beneficial for the Islands Trust Northern Office Administrator Wil 
Cottingham, to discuss with APC Chair Wendy Burton, the current state of Hornby 
venues internet connectivity status. 
13. REPORTS 
13.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated November, 2021 
13.1.1 The Heron - Autumn, 2021 
Received. 
13.2 Applications Report dated December 1, 2021 
Received 
13.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated October, 2021 
HO-2021-077 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee requests $100.00 for registration fees for 
Trustees Scott and Allen to attend the Virtual Salish Sea Ecosystem Conference in April 
2022. 
CARRIED 

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13.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received. 
13.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
Nothing to report. 
14. WORK PROGRAM 
14.1 Top Priorities Report dated December 1, 2021 
Received. 
14.2 Projects List Report dated December 1, 2021 
HO-2021-078 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee add Community Heritage Register to the 
Projects List. 
CARRIED 
15. INFORMATION ITEMS - None 
16. CLOSED MEETING - None 
17. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
17.1 Next Regular Meeting - to be determined  
The next regular meeting is scheduled for Friday, February 18, 2022 at 10:30 am at a 
venue yet to be determined. 
18. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:31 pm. 
 
 
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Sue Ellen Fast, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Katherine Vogt, Recorder