Islands Trust Council regular meeting, February 7, 2022

[0:00:00] Trustee Rogers: people join us oh i see we already have 33 people 27 they were already here maybe they heard us

[0:00:08] Voice 25: maybe oh

[0:00:11] Trustee Rogers: was it live throughout that it

[0:00:12] Voice 25: wasn't live it was just the practice session

[0:00:14] Voice 25: oh it was um it wasn't live but i did start the webinar yeah

[0:00:28] Voice 14: okay um

[0:00:30] Trustee Rogers: it appears everybody

[0:00:33] Trustee Rogers: everybody was already here waiting because there's 27 attendees in the in the waiting room today

[0:00:42] Trustee Rogers: in the attendees area and I don't see often when people are still arriving the numbers are going up

[0:00:49] Trustee Rogers: on our attendee list so I think we'll we'll start so welcome unfortunately for all concerned

[0:00:58] Trustee Rogers: We're back on an electronic format and this is the regular meeting of the Galeano Local Trust Committee for February the 7th, 2022.

[0:01:11] Trustee Rogers: I was just looking at the last time I was there, which was on December the 6th.

[0:01:18] Trustee Rogers: So almost exactly two months ago that we had an in-person meeting on Galeano.

[0:01:24] Trustee Rogers: and it was great to have a couple of those while I was there where I could come and again experience

[0:01:29] Trustee Rogers: Galeano and I'm sorry that we're in this format let me talk to you about it again in a moment

[0:01:34] Trustee Rogers: I want to start the meeting by acknowledging and with gratitude and humility that we're meeting

[0:01:44] Trustee Rogers: across the traditional territories of the Coast Salish peoples and if you're on the island of

[0:01:52] Trustee Rogers: of Galeano. You are in the traditional territory of many Coast Salish people but in particular the

[0:02:01] Trustee Rogers: Penelope First Nations. We are reminded on a regular basis of how fortunate we are to live

[0:02:12] Trustee Rogers: here and to experience all that this area has to offer and that the Coast Salish peoples have known

[0:02:20] Trustee Rogers: known how wonderful this place is and what a great place it is to live for a millennium.

[0:02:26] Trustee Rogers: So thank you for that. I'm Dan Rogers. I'm the chair of the Galliano Local Trust Committee.

[0:02:32] Trustee Rogers: Most of you will have seen and know me by now. And I'm very pleased to have spent the

[0:02:39] Trustee Rogers: last three plus years as the chair of this local trust committee. I'm going to introduce

[0:02:44] Trustee Rogers: people you see on your screen. I'm going to start in reverse order that I usually do it

[0:02:49] Trustee Rogers: it by introducing Carly Bilney, who's our recorder. Carly, thank you for all your work,

[0:02:53] Trustee Rogers: your minutes, because I know Carly will then turn off her camera, so I'll let her do that.

[0:02:59] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Carly. Nice to see you again. We have the planner, Brad Smith, who's probably

[0:03:07] Trustee Rogers: in Victoria today. Nice to see you. You'll be hearing from Brad off and on throughout

[0:03:13] Trustee Rogers: throughout the day.

[0:03:14] Trustee Rogers: You'll hear me talk to Robert Elchik,

[0:03:17] Trustee Rogers: who is the, I'll probably get her titles wrong,

[0:03:23] Trustee Rogers: but she's in the Victoria office or thereabouts

[0:03:27] Trustee Rogers: and is running the technology to allow us to do our work.

[0:03:33] Trustee Rogers: Of course, you'll see your two local trustees,

[0:03:36] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Jane Wolverton and Trustee Tahira Rockefeller.

[0:03:40] Trustee Rogers: Nice to see you both.

[0:03:41] Trustee Rogers: and it's great to have this meeting. I'll just remind you of where we're at in terms of

[0:03:51] Trustee Rogers: of the technology and how this will work. We have sort of reversed ourselves because of the Omicron

[0:04:02] Trustee Rogers: and the number of infections that started I'm going to say mid-December that we started to

[0:04:07] Trustee Rogers: see it and the impacts in the new public health orders to prepare to have meetings in a virtual

[0:04:16] Trustee Rogers: format again on this Zoom meeting. You are all attendees in our Zoom webinar and will be able

[0:04:27] Trustee Rogers: to watch the work that we're doing throughout this process. You can find the agenda and the materials

[0:04:35] Trustee Rogers: on the website and you can if you've joined us if you're an attendee you've joined us and of course

[0:04:43] Trustee Rogers: this is also being broadcast live you know in a different format where you're not an attendee but

[0:04:49] Trustee Rogers: you can watch the and it will be recorded as well and at some point very soon it will be uploaded

[0:04:59] Trustee Rogers: loaded to the the website uh just a reminder if you want to find the recording of a meeting you

[0:05:06] Trustee Rogers: have to go back to the on the way on the islands trust website you go back to the date on which

[0:05:11] Trustee Rogers: the meeting was held and you'll find the agenda there and you'll also as i said in a couple days

[0:05:19] Trustee Rogers: you'll find the recording there so that's where it is it's there at the place on our calendar where

[0:05:26] Trustee Rogers: where the meeting actually took place.

[0:05:31] Trustee Rogers: So that's what's occurring virtually.

[0:05:35] Trustee Rogers: We will have an opportunity

[0:05:38] Trustee Rogers: at a couple of times during the meeting.

[0:05:41] Trustee Rogers: We have two, we still calling them town hall.

[0:05:44] Trustee Rogers: It's interesting, we're moving into a new age in trust

[0:05:49] Trustee Rogers: and we're starting to use phrases like public participation

[0:05:53] Trustee Rogers: rather than town hall.

[0:05:54] Trustee Rogers: and that's um that's coming probably at some point you'll start to see that phraseology on the agenda

[0:06:02] Trustee Rogers: anyway uh we have two of those one at the after the trustee reports at the beginning and one at

[0:06:09] Trustee Rogers: the end of the meeting as well i just remind you of a couple of things um before we get into those

[0:06:15] Trustee Rogers: one is if you are and i'll remind you again when we get there if you are an applicant and i know

[0:06:20] Trustee Rogers: that we have a couple of representatives of applicants here um that you will be able to

[0:06:26] Trustee Rogers: engage with the local trust committee during the discussion and the staff presentation of the staff

[0:06:32] Trustee Rogers: report regarding the application uh and so we can have that that time when we do that

[0:06:39] Trustee Rogers: um i will have a few more things to say related to the um uh the uh the town hall uh way before

[0:06:48] Trustee Rogers: before we get there and I know that Trustee Wolverton

[0:06:55] Trustee Rogers: and perhaps others might have a few things to say as well.

[0:06:59] Trustee Rogers: So with that, I think that's my introduction

[0:07:04] Trustee Rogers: and I have an agenda in front of us

[0:07:08] Trustee Rogers: and I know Trustee Wolverton,

[0:07:10] Trustee Rogers: you had something you wanted to add.

[0:07:11] Trustee Rogers: I can't recall, you've sent an email out last week

[0:07:14] Trustee Rogers: and so many things have occurred since last week.

[0:07:16] Trustee Rogers: I've forgotten what it was but if you want to put it under new business so you can tell me

[0:07:22] Trustee Rogers: remind me what it is.

[0:07:24] Voice 17: Sure it has to do with a support letter for the Galliano Health Center

[0:07:31] Voice 17: and a proposal for an urgent primary care facility and then I have one other item as well

[0:07:42] Voice 17: okay

[0:07:43] Trustee Rogers: for

[0:07:44] Voice 17: under new business and that

[0:07:45] Trustee Rogers: would be 16-2 then i'll put that under 16-2 and what would

[0:07:48] Trustee Rogers: and the other one uh

[0:07:50] Voice 17: just to begin to talk a little bit about a heritage commission or heritage

[0:07:56] Voice 17: apc that comes out of the shoreline protection model bylaw so

[0:08:02] Trustee Rogers: do you want to talk about it on

[0:08:03] Trustee Rogers: the shoreline protection model bylaw it

[0:08:05] Voice 17: could be there okay

[0:08:07] Trustee Rogers: well um uh i have a it's more well

[0:08:14] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Well, maybe i'll talk about it when we get to the minutes of the meeting, I have a question about the letter that we wrote to Rogers.

[0:08:22] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, Communication after the last meeting is it doesn't it doesn't appear anywhere on our agenda and I couldn't find it on the website, but i'll have asked that question when we get to the minutes of the of the last meeting.

[0:08:36] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, I was just curious as because we sent it and and I don't know.

[0:08:41] Trustee Rogers: No, I haven't had any reply and I just wondered why it didn't appear on our website anywhere.

[0:08:48] Trustee Rogers: And there wasn't any obvious place to put it, but maybe it's just the capacity that they've had trouble putting it up.

[0:08:54] Trustee Rogers: Okay, well, with that, Trustee Rockefeller, do you have anything you want to add to the agenda or amend?

[0:09:01] Trustee Rogers: No? Okay, then with that, can I take the, with the addition of 16.2, can I take the agenda adopted as amended?

[0:09:09] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[0:09:12] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, So i'm trustee reports, or is our first item on our agenda so over to who wants to go first trustee wolverton I see you unmute why don't you go.

[0:09:23] Trustee Rogers: Mayor

[0:09:25] Voice 17: Mrakas, Okay, you want me to go first okay.

[0:09:27] Voice 17: Okay. So it has been two months since we last met. And over that time, there have been a lot of inquiries about rezoning setbacks, cottage sizes, building permits, a lot of correspondence, meetings on Zoom and at the Trust Office.

[0:09:44] Voice 17: The Regional Planning Committee met to consider planning services. There have been inquiries about property assessments because we all got them during that time.

[0:09:57] Voice 17: And a bylaw problem inquiries. I also want to bring people's attention to the eco footprint measurement and that was supposed to have sort of reported out in the spring earlier than like in March, I believe, but it will, because of the

[0:10:21] Voice 17: the one of the partners hasn't been able to conclude their work it won't actually come out

[0:10:29] Voice 17: until about May or June and that will be there will be a presentation then in conjunction with

[0:10:35] Voice 17: the yellow house probably in around June 4th and one of the interesting things about it is that

[0:10:44] Voice 17: that they've determined worldwide if all land was shared equally among people,

[0:10:52] Voice 17: this is not even including animals, people would take up sort of 1.8 hectares.

[0:11:00] Voice 17: They would use the resources of 1.8 hectares.

[0:11:04] Voice 17: But globally, the developed countries are using more than that and overall using more than that.

[0:11:12] Voice 17: So on Galliano, if we lived within the 1.8, we would only use about 10% of the island's

[0:11:20] Voice 17: biocapacity. So it's kind of an interesting comparison. I think that the report will be

[0:11:26] Voice 17: quite interesting as well. They've looked at our consumption, our use of vehicles,

[0:11:35] Voice 17: and so looking at a number of kinds of things

[0:11:39] Voice 17: and as well, interviewing people on the island

[0:11:44] Voice 17: who some of them have quite a history here

[0:11:48] Voice 17: and talking about the environment over the changes over time.

[0:11:53] Voice 17: And then I just wanted to comment that

[0:11:56] Voice 17: I'm a little troubled by the level of intolerance

[0:12:00] Voice 17: for opposing views that seems to have developed

[0:12:04] Voice 17: on the island.

[0:12:05] Voice 17: There have been a lot of attacks on social media, signs have been stolen, and some of the

[0:12:11] Voice 17: attacks have been quite personal. And so those seem to be, to me, symptoms of the discord that

[0:12:21] Voice 17: I've been observing, and that's been particularly apparent during the pandemic. And I just want to

[0:12:28] Voice 17: say, you know, we all are tired, and maybe we're losing patience and kindness with each other.

[0:12:33] Voice 17: not seeing each other in person I think contributes to the less respectful discourse

[0:12:39] Voice 17: um this LTC is in its final the final seven months of this term and I speak for myself when

[0:12:46] Voice 17: I say that I feel disappointed that the the pandemic has affected our work in the way that

[0:12:51] Voice 17: it has but we continue to work hard on the matters

[0:12:55] Voice 14: before us so those are my comments

[0:13:02] Voice 14: Trustee Rockefeller.

[0:13:06] Voice 20: Yeah I just want to report that the budget survey was the deadline was last

[0:13:11] Voice 20: night on Sunday and so I'm looking forward to seeing the survey results for trust council in

[0:13:17] Voice 20: March and any comments people may have thank you.

[0:13:23] Voice 14: Thanks I

[0:13:25] Trustee Rogers: guess it's the chair's report

[0:13:28] Trustee Rogers: I'll try and be brief but there's so much going on in the trust it's it's hard to keep track of

[0:13:34] Trustee Rogers: sometimes and not just about you know I mean Galliano is busy enough with a number of

[0:13:42] Trustee Rogers: applications that are pending and and projects that are going forward etc but just just to sort

[0:13:50] Trustee Rogers: of summarize what I'll say are the three or four very big issues that the trust is dealing with

[0:13:58] Trustee Rogers: and will sort of play out over the next number of months well some in some cases the next month

[0:14:03] Trustee Rogers: six weeks uh first is the budget and the survey did close last night um i know that there were

[0:14:10] Trustee Rogers: efforts to get people to you know to remind people to do it uh we take we take it um every and i only

[0:14:18] Trustee Rogers: just speaks for myself but i'm both at the financial planning committee and then at trust

[0:14:22] Trustee Rogers: council the trustees my experience is they read everything that someone says we get a summary of

[0:14:27] Trustee Rogers: of the survey, but we can see all of the responses

[0:14:31] Trustee Rogers: and all of the commentary.

[0:14:33] Trustee Rogers: And I know I try and read as much as I can related to it.

[0:14:39] Trustee Rogers: It's an important piece of information for me to understand

[0:14:44] Trustee Rogers: what people are thinking about the budget,

[0:14:46] Trustee Rogers: even though it is a bit,

[0:14:51] Trustee Rogers: I mean, it's always a bit curious to ask,

[0:14:56] Trustee Rogers: I'm always a bit curious to ask the question,

[0:14:58] Trustee Rogers: do you support a tax increase because you know that's a question that sort of begs an answer of

[0:15:03] Trustee Rogers: no because nobody likes to pay more if they if you're just asking that question and so it's

[0:15:08] Trustee Rogers: really about what these are priorities are and what the values are keep in mind as we as you

[0:15:13] Trustee Rogers: hear discussion about the budget going forward we have some fixed costs fixed expenses built into

[0:15:19] Trustee Rogers: the the system the regarding staffing and the court offices etc administration that just

[0:15:27] Trustee Rogers: there's not much we can do about those in a lot of cases

[0:15:31] Trustee Rogers: and still provide a level of service that's acceptable to Islanders.

[0:15:38] Trustee Rogers: And those costs go up.

[0:15:40] Trustee Rogers: They just do.

[0:15:41] Trustee Rogers: I mean, through wage increases, rent increases.

[0:15:44] Trustee Rogers: Our insurance, like many of you have experienced,

[0:15:48] Trustee Rogers: went up a remarkable amount in the last three years,

[0:15:52] Trustee Rogers: is probably 40-50% and is in the hundreds of thousands of dollars for our insurance that we

[0:16:00] Trustee Rogers: cover. I say hundreds, it's probably between $170,000 and $200,000. I forget the exact number.

[0:16:07] Trustee Rogers: The other thing that's going on is at the end of this week and then at Trust Council,

[0:16:13] Trustee Rogers: we're getting the point at Trust Council, which is in March, that we will have

[0:16:16] Trustee Rogers: of our governance review will be coming out.

[0:16:20] Trustee Rogers: It's not gonna be made public

[0:16:22] Trustee Rogers: and it's not known exactly when it'll be made public,

[0:16:26] Trustee Rogers: no later than trust council in March,

[0:16:28] Trustee Rogers: which is the second week of March,

[0:16:29] Trustee Rogers: but depends on whether there are confidential

[0:16:33] Trustee Rogers: and camera issues that need to be dealt with beforehand.

[0:16:37] Trustee Rogers: And the third thing that's going on

[0:16:39] Trustee Rogers: is the trust policy statement review,

[0:16:43] Trustee Rogers: view uh which is getting a lot of attention um on um a number of particularly southern gulf but

[0:16:52] Trustee Rogers: not exclusively southern gulf islands is getting a lot of attention around uh the various islands

[0:16:57] Trustee Rogers: uh there the uh the new engagement plan was rolled out on friday night i haven't had a chance to go

[0:17:05] Trustee Rogers: through it in detail yet but uh we've seen it and you'll but you'll see uh engagement both in person

[0:17:12] Trustee Rogers: and virtually coming to Galeano to talk about the efforts of the Trust to update its core document,

[0:17:24] Trustee Rogers: which is the Trust Policy Statement, to address effectively three issues but others,

[0:17:31] Trustee Rogers: climate change and related to that ecosystem protection.

[0:17:36] Trustee Rogers: protection. Secondly is reconciliation and our work in relationship with First Nations

[0:17:46] Trustee Rogers: and Indigenous peoples. And third, housing and community concerns to the extent that

[0:17:54] Trustee Rogers: we can. So all of those, and it's a policy document as opposed to a specific prescriptive

[0:18:04] Trustee Rogers: document although there are directive policies that are contained in it and it's required by the

[0:18:10] Trustee Rogers: the the islands trust act so as you hear commentary around and there is a lot of

[0:18:16] Trustee Rogers: commentary around uh in on on social media and elsewhere related to it or you receive something

[0:18:22] Trustee Rogers: in your mail i want you to keep in mind that there exists a trust policy statement that this

[0:18:29] Trustee Rogers: is an amendment to the existing one and if you go back and read the original one that

[0:18:34] Trustee Rogers: then you can see this one. I'm always I hear a lot of criticism that the draft trust policy

[0:18:40] Trustee Rogers: statement is 37 pages long and people criticize that that being forbid being too long and I was

[0:18:47] Trustee Rogers: reminded again last night that the Galliano OCP is 112 pages long and that was deemed to be

[0:18:55] Trustee Rogers: the appropriate amount of material to cover off the community issues for

[0:19:01] Trustee Rogers: Galliano. And, and yet,

[0:19:03] Trustee Rogers: so it doesn't seem to me outrageous that we would have a 37 page trust policy

[0:19:08] Trustee Rogers: statement that addresses a number of the issues on a, on a trust-wide basis.

[0:19:12] Trustee Rogers: I think I'll just, that's all I'll say about that,

[0:19:15] Trustee Rogers: but keep an eye out for the engagement around that. We, we welcome voices,

[0:19:21] Trustee Rogers: whatever your perspective,

[0:19:22] Trustee Rogers: and we're looking for input as we move towards trying to find a way to move forward with an

[0:19:29] Trustee Rogers: amendment to our trust policy statement we do have I think it's more like eight or nine months

[0:19:34] Trustee Rogers: left in this term but maybe I'll say we'll settle on eight whatever the effective number of months

[0:19:40] Trustee Rogers: left are and thank you for that lastly there is a I just want to say that if you're getting

[0:19:49] Trustee Rogers: getting messaging from folk around the Islands Trust area that is quite derogatory about

[0:19:57] Trustee Rogers: the trust and trust staff and trustees.

[0:20:02] Trustee Rogers: I just want to reflect a personal view that I have worked with a lot of people in my career

[0:20:08] Trustee Rogers: and the people at the trust are dedicated, professional and competent and I am proud

[0:20:16] Trustee Rogers: to work with all of them and so please hopefully that perspective would provide you with a little

[0:20:27] Trustee Rogers: bit of context as you read some of the commentary that's out there. There's lots else going on in

[0:20:33] Trustee Rogers: the trust but I'll leave it at that for now because I don't want to take it and I'm guessing

[0:20:37] Trustee Rogers: there's some commentary today in relation to the town hall so I'm going to move into the town hall

[0:20:45] Trustee Rogers: now. So it's always a bit complicated because we have, well, before I say that, I want to reiterate

[0:20:57] Trustee Rogers: some of what Trustee Wolverton has to say. I have many times repeated my view that, or my

[0:21:05] Trustee Rogers: instructions and my requirement that if you want to speak to the local trust committee,

[0:21:09] Trustee Rogers: you abide by a few simple rules. One is that you talk to the local trust committee

[0:21:15] Trustee Rogers: and trustees and address us, not to each other and not address the staff directly.

[0:21:24] Trustee Rogers: If we need to involve the staff, we will, but ask you to address your local trust.

[0:21:29] Trustee Rogers: This is your opportunity to speak to your trustees, the elected officials that work

[0:21:35] Trustee Rogers: on your behalf and are actually the decision-making authority under the Islands Trust Act.

[0:21:41] Trustee Rogers: the second is I it's incredibly important that you speak to issues and not people of our

[0:21:48] Trustee Rogers: personalities I don't see a lot of the the derogatory commentary that I understand is

[0:21:56] Trustee Rogers: occurring on Galliano and the personal stuff that's going on I don't see a lot of it

[0:22:02] Trustee Rogers: which to which I'm thankful but we heard in December a number of people speak about that

[0:22:08] Trustee Rogers: in our town hall that they were distressed and feeling stressed and anxious and full of anxiety

[0:22:14] Trustee Rogers: around the fact that that they were not able to express their opinion without being attacked

[0:22:19] Trustee Rogers: personally um that's not acceptable here and uh this is this needs to be a safe place for everybody

[0:22:27] Trustee Rogers: to express their view um uh and that's so it's important for you to address issues and not

[0:22:35] Trustee Rogers: not people or personalities and it's incredibly important that we not have let this devolve into

[0:22:42] Trustee Rogers: personal attacks or or personal characterization so that will not be occurring in the town hall

[0:22:49] Trustee Rogers: I will I I will be will not agree to allow it and we will be cutting you off if you if it goes that

[0:22:57] Trustee Rogers: way the third the third thing of course is is your we ask that your language be appropriate

[0:23:03] Trustee Rogers: in all circumstances and not be abusive or devolve into any inappropriate language or

[0:23:12] Trustee Rogers: what I call any of the isms that we occasionally see in society. So that's my commentary before

[0:23:21] Trustee Rogers: we get to the town hall. Now we have a, as I said, it's always a bit complicated because

[0:23:30] Trustee Rogers: because Trustee Rockefeller is recused

[0:23:35] Trustee Rogers: from the Galley proposal

[0:23:38] Trustee Rogers: and Trustee Wolverton is recused from the Giggers proposal.

[0:23:42] Trustee Rogers: So they don't sit through comments related

[0:23:45] Trustee Rogers: to those two applications that are before us.

[0:23:53] Trustee Rogers: And they don't participate in our discussion

[0:23:55] Trustee Rogers: when we get the staff report.

[0:23:56] Trustee Rogers: So, what I'm going to do is open up the town hall and ask you to be brief we've received a number of commentaries. I'm going to also ask you to not be repetitive, if a point's been made and we've heard it, we've also received a bunch of correspondence, and it's often

[0:24:15] Trustee Rogers: easy for us to digest what people want us to know through correspondence and thank you for those of them that has sent us those correspondence and

[0:24:24] Trustee Rogers: And I certainly read all of it.

[0:24:27] Trustee Rogers: I'm sure the other trustees do as well.

[0:24:30] Trustee Rogers: So please be brief.

[0:24:31] Trustee Rogers: Please be concise.

[0:24:33] Trustee Rogers: So the first thing I'm going to ask for is speakers on something other than affordable housing.

[0:24:41] Trustee Rogers: So that means something other than a generic comment about housing or a comment related to giggers or galley.

[0:24:50] Trustee Rogers: I'll then go to if someone wants to make general comments regarding housing that's not about any

[0:24:56] Trustee Rogers: specific proposal although I'm not sure there's you could there's much you can say that we don't

[0:25:01] Trustee Rogers: already know and then I'll go to each of those applications so something other than the housing

[0:25:07] Trustee Rogers: the housing issue so the first oh I see a bunch of hands already so the first person and I will

[0:25:16] Trustee Rogers: we're going to try and promote you and let you speak and turn your camera on if you wish

[0:25:22] Trustee Rogers: however I will say that sometimes there's some technical issues I'm quite sure we'll be allowed

[0:25:28] Trustee Rogers: to let you speak I'm not so sure about letting you turn your camera on first hand I see is

[0:25:32] Trustee Rogers: Elizabeth McClellan so Robin I'll be speaking to Robin Robin if you can find a way to allow

[0:25:42] Trustee Rogers: allow Elizabeth McClellan to speak and so if you can promote it okay

[0:26:02] Voice 14: ah okay

[0:26:06] Voice 27: now you can probably

[0:26:07] Voice 27: hear me I can hear you

[0:26:09] Trustee Rogers: I you can't see you but go ahead oh

[0:26:11] Voice 27: do you want to see me

[0:26:12] Trustee Rogers: um it's that's a

[0:26:14] Voice 27: loaded that's a loaded question I'm fine

[0:26:16] Voice 27: I don't want to take up your time I I prematurely raised

[0:26:20] Voice 27: my hand I actually wanted to speak

[0:26:22] Voice 27: on the affordable housing issues so okay then I'll

[0:26:25] Voice 27: sorry about that okay

[0:26:27] Trustee Rogers: john rousley

[0:26:28] Voice 27: is next could

[0:26:31] Trustee Rogers: you and you need to yes you'll need to mute uh

[0:26:33] Voice 14: thank you okay mr rousley okay

[0:26:43] Voice 29: can you hear me now yes

[0:26:46] Trustee Rogers: we can okay

[0:26:46] Voice 29: good thank you um and thank

[0:26:49] Voice 29: you for taking my question um my name is john ronsley uh i live on spotlight that's okay i

[0:26:57] Voice 29: live on spotlight drive which is in the north end of galliano um my question pertains to the

[0:27:04] Voice 29: the proposed OCP amendment bylaw 256,

[0:27:09] Voice 29: which was given first reading by this LTC

[0:27:12] Voice 29: on September the 7th, 2021.

[0:27:17] Voice 29: Bylaw 256 is a proposal to introduce

[0:27:20] Voice 29: a spiritual education subsection

[0:27:24] Voice 29: to the community facilities and utilities portion

[0:27:27] Voice 29: of section two of the OCP, which governs land use.

[0:27:32] Voice 29: The bylaw proposal is in support of an application by the Crystal Mountain Society to rezone a forestry zone lot at the north end.

[0:27:41] Voice 29: On June 14, 2021, Planner Smith explained to a Galliano Island Local Trust Committee special meeting during the question and answer period that the Community Facilities and Utilities subsection was appropriate for the new bylaw, and this is a quote, likely to limit the zoning to non-profit activity.

[0:28:05] Voice 29: That's the quote.

[0:28:06] Voice 29: then on November the 8th 2021 I put forward my opposing view that the Crystal Mountain Society

[0:28:14] Voice 29: was not a community facility because it served a paying clientele only and not the community at

[0:28:22] Voice 29: large then on December 6th 2021 Planner Smith reported to the Galliano LTC that the inclusion

[0:28:32] Voice 29: of the word non-profit in the amending OCP bylaw may be ultra-virous and could be legally

[0:28:39] Voice 29: challenged. So given that the placement of the spiritual education subsection under community

[0:28:45] Voice 29: facilities and utilities likely cannot legally restrict its application to non-profits and that

[0:28:53] Voice 29: the Crystal Mountain Society serves a paying clientele, will the Galliano LTC now withdraw

[0:28:59] Voice 29: draw its bylaw 256 OCP amendment proposal.

[0:29:03] Voice 29: Thank you.

[0:29:08] Trustee Rogers: So anybody, any trustee, of course,

[0:29:14] Trustee Rogers: can make a motion about an issue at any time,

[0:29:17] Trustee Rogers: but it's not on our agenda today.

[0:29:19] Trustee Rogers: And I appreciate your point of view.

[0:29:22] Trustee Rogers: And when it comes back to our agenda,

[0:29:27] Trustee Rogers: I suggest you give us that

[0:29:33] Trustee Rogers: exact question in writing, and then we could consider it in the context of all the material

[0:29:38] Trustee Rogers: that's in front of us. I don't know if either of the other trustees want to comment any further

[0:29:42] Trustee Rogers: beyond that. Trustee Rockefeller, I'm just seeing, no, I didn't see you shake your head. I guess my

[0:29:49] Trustee Rogers: comment, the answer to your question is, I don't think we're going to take any specific action

[0:29:54] Trustee Rogers: related to CMS. Sorry, I'm using the acronym Crystal Mountain Society.

[0:30:00] Trustee Rogers: day um and we have received yours and other commentary regarding the appropriateness of this

[0:30:06] Trustee Rogers: zoning and thank you for your comments so i'll take that it is but i can't answer your question

[0:30:11] Trustee Rogers: we're not going to do anything there's no indication anyone's going to do anything

[0:30:16] Trustee Rogers: specific today um the next so thank you if you could put your hand down mr ronsley

[0:30:22] Trustee Rogers: the next uh hand that's up is is yellow house and i heard you say yellow house but i don't

[0:30:28] Trustee Rogers: And obviously, that's something that I don't know what it is on Galliano, but I guess I'm going to find out.

[0:30:35] Voice 21: Yeah, hi, it's actually John Parfit here talking.

[0:30:39] Voice 21: Go ahead.

[0:30:39] Voice 21: I

[0:30:40] Trustee Rogers: have a question

[0:30:40] Voice 21: about water tanks, actually.

[0:30:45] Voice 21: They're considered structures, I've found out, and so therefore can't be located in setbacks.

[0:30:51] Voice 21: Is that correct?

[0:30:53] Voice 21: I just heard that from the planner this morning.

[0:30:57] Trustee Rogers: don't know the answer without going back and uh uh planner smith do you know the answer to that

[0:31:03] Trustee Rogers: offhand or do you need to think about it and get back to mr parfait i'm

[0:31:08] Planner: not sure the reference to

[0:31:09] Planner: this morning i didn't respond to him no

[0:31:11] Voice 21: it was a it was um fellow on on gabriola that i was talking

[0:31:15] Voice 21: to right

[0:31:16] Planner: i'm not sure i'm not familiar with your violence but uh on galliano uh there's a very

[0:31:23] Planner: very broad definition of structure so there's very few exceptions to what's considered a structure so

[0:31:29] Planner: yeah it's

[0:31:31] Voice 21: not on the except so so they're not permitted in setbacks would

[0:31:34] Trustee Rogers: there be a different

[0:31:35] Trustee Rogers: i mean i i'd actually like to be i have a more considerate you know maybe give us a chance to

[0:31:40] Trustee Rogers: think about that answer because i think there might be a difference between a a um a built-in

[0:31:46] Trustee Rogers: structure like a cistern and a movable water tank and i'm not sure which one you're referring to

[0:31:53] Trustee Rogers: so i

[0:31:54] Voice 21: think i think they're being it's a movable water tank they're the ones that are being

[0:31:57] Voice 21: mandated for us to put in yeah we have new construction now right so

[0:32:01] Voice 21: the big green water

[0:32:03] Trustee Rogers: the big green and black water tanks you're talking exactly yeah yeah trustee wolverton i can answer

[0:32:09] Planner: the technical answer chair rogers if that's okay the definition of structure means anything that

[0:32:15] Planner: is constructed or erected and that is affixed to supported by or sunk into land or water

[0:32:21] Planner: but does not include paved parking areas or utility lines.

[0:32:25] Planner: And then if you look for any siting exceptions

[0:32:28] Planner: under 2.18, the siting regulations set in this bylaw

[0:32:33] Planner: do not apply to any sign or pump house.

[0:32:35] Planner: So as long as the pump house has a floor of 10 areas,

[0:32:39] Planner: square meters or less.

[0:32:41] Planner: So the only exception to siting in a setback

[0:32:44] Planner: is for a pump house.

[0:32:45] Planner: So if you're siting a cistern in a setback,

[0:32:48] Planner: you need to consider uh potential variants right

[0:32:53] Voice 21: okay so that's so yes in other words you're not

[0:32:56] Voice 21: allowed to put tanks in setbacks unless you have variants and i'm just i guess i'm thinking that

[0:33:03] Voice 21: i don't know if you want to maybe think about putting water tanks on the exceptions list

[0:33:09] Voice 21: um i would note that that would also prohibit having a paved walkway from the road to your

[0:33:16] Voice 21: your house as well so if you were in a wheelchair or something you would have to break those rules

[0:33:21] Voice 21: in order to because a concrete walkway is not a driveway and so therefore would also be breaking

[0:33:27] Voice 21: those rules i think you can infer

[0:33:29] Planner: it as a i

[0:33:31] Voice 21: think that that perhaps could use some attention when

[0:33:33] Voice 21: you get a chance i understand that you're very very busy and that i may be you know off track

[0:33:38] Voice 21: somewhat but i

[0:33:39] Trustee Rogers: don't think you're off track at all in this department i saw trustee wolverton

[0:33:42] Trustee Rogers: with their hand up did you have a comment related to this no

[0:33:48] Voice 17: i was just looking at the water tanks

[0:33:50] Voice 17: reference is under the galliano in in our um our land use bylaw so um i don't i can't see any other

[0:34:01] Voice 17: reference i

[0:34:02] Voice 21: believe any i'm not actually uh i think if it's a new construction we're required

[0:34:09] Voice 21: to put in water tanks there's a requirement a new construction now we're not

[0:34:14] Voice 21: we don't have to put

[0:34:15] Voice 21: them in we we need them to put them in at the yellow house because we're our well is not very

[0:34:19] Voice 21: good there and so we and as where the tank is located right now is within the setback and you

[0:34:26] Voice 21: know i i don't want to have to put it in the middle of the property where we're trying to do other

[0:34:32] Voice 21: things takes

[0:34:33] Voice 16: up quite a

[0:34:34] Voice 21: bit of space and a triangular piece of property like that is very

[0:34:37] Voice 21: limited when you take off all the setbacks so i guess we'll be applying for variants to have our

[0:34:44] Voice 21: to have our tanks within the setback.

[0:34:46] Voice 21: That's all, that's fine.

[0:34:48] Voice 21: Thank you for answering my question.

[0:34:49] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Mr. Parfitt.

[0:34:51] Trustee Rogers: The next person on my list is Colleen Doty.

[0:35:01] Voice 14: Hello, good afternoon.

[0:35:03] Voice 9: Just a quick question on this.

[0:35:05] Voice 9: I had read that David Marlar,

[0:35:07] Voice 9: Director of Planning Services,

[0:35:08] Voice 9: received an award for innovation back in December,

[0:35:11] Voice 9: and I'm curious what the specific innovation was,

[0:35:14] Voice 9: if you know, thank you.

[0:35:16] Voice 9: you

[0:35:19] Trustee Rogers: know what i'm trying to remember he we didn't know about it until the uh the trust council they

[0:35:26] Trustee Rogers: announced the this is a staff award um i think maybe one of my co-trustees can remind me but i

[0:35:35] Trustee Rogers: believe it was about finding a way through continuing to have trust business with in the

[0:35:44] Trustee Rogers: face of the pandemic but maybe it was something else to trustee wolverton do you remember

[0:35:48] Trustee Rogers: on um they and i and we're not all it's not often explained but i can find out the answer

[0:35:55] Trustee Rogers: from the cao and ask what kind of find out what the nomination is for but i honestly don't recall

[0:36:02] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[0:36:02] Voice 9: thank you if you could let me know thanks chair rogers okay

[0:36:06] Trustee Rogers: let me make a note of that

[0:36:10] Trustee Rogers: Okay, Art

[0:36:11] Voice 14: Moses, thank you, please.

[0:36:13] Voice 14: So

[0:36:21] Voice 30: Mr. Chair and trustees,

[0:36:25] Voice 30: I just want to very briefly on the minutes,

[0:36:28] Voice 30: an issue on the minutes that kind of relates

[0:36:31] Voice 30: to an earlier comment in the town hall

[0:36:35] Voice 30: concerning the Crystal Mountain application.

[0:36:38] Voice 30: On page eight of the agenda package under minutes,

[0:36:45] Voice 30: it's you'll see there's four bullets at the toward the bottom of the page there's four bullets there

[0:36:50] Voice 30: are four bullet bullets yeah um the second bullet is what i've got an issue with uh the ltc has

[0:36:57] Voice 30: received commentary from people who say that because the cms application cannot be restricted

[0:37:03] Voice 30: to a non-profit it should not fall under the economic activity section of the ocp uh actually

[0:37:10] Voice 30: Actually, the commentary as consistent with what has already been heard in this town hall

[0:37:18] Voice 30: was that because it can't be restricted to a non-profit, it should be in the economic

[0:37:24] Voice 30: activity sector of the OCP.

[0:37:25] Voice 30: Yeah, I

[0:37:25] Trustee Rogers: think that's my recollection as well.

[0:37:28] Voice 17: Yeah, I was going to bring that up under the minutes.

[0:37:33] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you.

[0:37:34] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thanks.

[0:37:35] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much, Mr. Moses.

[0:37:38] Trustee Rogers: Roger Galeano.

[0:37:40] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, it says Roger Galeano.

[0:37:42] Trustee Rogers: I know that's not your last name, but I know who it is.

[0:37:45] Voice 14: Hello, Roger.

[0:37:51] Voice 14: Roger, you're muted.

[0:37:52] Voice 14: Yeah, you got to unmute, Roger.

[0:37:55] Voice 14: There you go.

[0:37:56] Voice 31: It's Roger Pettit.

[0:37:59] Voice 31: I can enlighten John a little on that.

[0:38:03] Voice 31: I have a 3,000-gallon tank inside of my pump house.

[0:38:11] Voice 31: So my pump house is large.

[0:38:13] Voice 31: But for the purposes of the CRD, it doesn't exist because cisterns are not considered by the CRD, are exempt from, they don't take up space, you know, to encourage cisterns.

[0:38:37] Voice 31: and and uh uh there may be a uh a disconnect between the crd and the uh and the uh islands

[0:38:48] Voice 31: trust but uh for for building purposes i've got a 12 by or a 10 by 10 uh pump house in fact my

[0:38:58] Voice 31: pump house measures 22 feet so mr pettit i'm

[0:39:01] Trustee Rogers: gonna maybe you could call john and give him your

[0:39:04] Voice 31: well i know it's you guys too because

[0:39:07] Trustee Rogers: okay yeah thank

[0:39:08] Voice 31: you okay you and the crd on the

[0:39:12] Voice 31: tanks yeah okay

[0:39:14] Trustee Rogers: thank you anywhere okay

[0:39:18] Voice 31: uh

[0:39:19] Trustee Rogers: mr moses could you put your hand down perhaps and

[0:39:22] Trustee Rogers: then i see laurie ca i always mispronounce her name sorry laurie

[0:39:26] Voice 14: c yeah go ahead you and everybody

[0:39:36] Voice 26: else I've ever met. It's okay.

[0:39:38] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I'm sure.

[0:39:40] Voice 26: It's three out of four vowels. It's a tough one.

[0:39:43] Voice 26: Thanks for your comments about what's been kind of those updates about what's happening with the

[0:39:51] Voice 26: trust policy statement. I really have strong support for those proposed changes, and I hope

[0:39:57] Voice 26: they're successful going forward. My question, and this might be premature, but listening to

[0:40:03] Voice 26: to Minister Eby talk about incentivising municipalities, which we are not, I know,

[0:40:10] Voice 26: around transfer money from the province if they've got their affordable housing docks in a row.

[0:40:16] Voice 26: David Eby announced that they would be withholding money from municipalities that didn't have

[0:40:21] Voice 26: an assessment, a really robust contemporary affordable housing assessment. And I'm just

[0:40:28] Voice 26: wondering if that is in any way has an impact on the Trust's funding.

[0:40:35] Trustee Rogers: I don't believe so. I mean, you mean our generic funding or the funding that's going to affordable

[0:40:45] Trustee Rogers: housing groups?

[0:40:46] Voice 26: Yeah, because he spoke specifically to the affordable housing funding from the

[0:40:51] Voice 26: province out to municipalities. I just wondered if you guys are inside that basket, even though

[0:40:56] Voice 26: the trust, I know we're not in a municipality.

[0:40:59] Trustee Rogers: Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, two things. One is,

[0:41:01] Trustee Rogers: of course we're not a service provider so we would never get any funding directly to us because

[0:41:06] Trustee Rogers: to facilitate the actual construction or erection of an affordable housing

[0:41:13] Trustee Rogers: whereas I think some municipalities are actually trying to do it directly but so that doesn't

[0:41:21] Trustee Rogers: really impact us there is a housing needs assessment for the trust area as a whole which

[0:41:28] Trustee Rogers: which included Galliano.

[0:41:30] Voice 26: That's the 2018?

[0:41:31] Trustee Rogers: That's right.

[0:41:32] Trustee Rogers: I was about to say 2018.

[0:41:34] Trustee Rogers: That's the most recent one.

[0:41:36] Trustee Rogers: But I will say that we are required under the legislation that,

[0:41:41] Trustee Rogers: and I'm not sure, frankly, how that's being facilitated,

[0:41:45] Trustee Rogers: but we're required to do an updated housing needs assessment

[0:41:49] Trustee Rogers: for every local trust committee is required to do that.

[0:41:53] Trustee Rogers: I think it's once every five years.

[0:41:55] Trustee Rogers: I see Trustee Wolverton nodding her head.

[0:41:58] Trustee Rogers: So

[0:41:58] Voice 26: we'll look forward to an updated assessment for here in the next two years.

[0:42:05] Trustee Rogers: Correct.

[0:42:06] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[0:42:07] Trustee Rogers: I think it's happening more regularly on Salt Spring because of their need.

[0:42:11] Trustee Rogers: But I know we're caught by the provincial regulations that require every local government, and we're included in the list that has to do that.

[0:42:21] Trustee Rogers: So, yes.

[0:42:22] Voice 26: Thank you.

[0:42:23] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much.

[0:42:25] Trustee Rogers: okay so that's the last hand of a generic um so uh i guess my my first my the next section was

[0:42:35] Trustee Rogers: if you wish to say something without referencing either of the two housing projects that are on

[0:42:44] Trustee Rogers: our agenda today that's more general and we've gotten some general commentary in the writing

[0:42:50] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to ask that we do that right now.

[0:42:54] Trustee Rogers: But if you want to speak to a specific project, I'm going to ask you to wait until we get

[0:43:00] Trustee Rogers: to that project.

[0:43:02] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[0:43:03] Trustee Rogers: I'm not seeing any hands.

[0:43:04] Trustee Rogers: So I'm guessing most...

[0:43:05] Trustee Rogers: Oh, I'm seeing one.

[0:43:07] Trustee Rogers: And it would be...

[0:43:09] Trustee Rogers: I'm sorry.

[0:43:09] Trustee Rogers: I've forgotten your last name.

[0:43:10] Trustee Rogers: I knew it was John.

[0:43:12] Trustee Rogers: But the yellow house again, please.

[0:43:18] Voice 21: I just wanted to voice my support.

[0:43:20] Voice 21: and uh for for both of the projects and that basically anything that we do that helps create

[0:43:28] Voice 21: some affordable housing or any kind of rental stock actually on the island long-term rental

[0:43:34] Voice 21: stock i think is another place that we need to focus some efforts so uh yeah i just wanted to

[0:43:40] Voice 21: speak that i'm fully in support of the affordable housing projects and any help with just general

[0:43:47] Voice 21: rental stock for long-term rentals in general that's all thank you thank you uh roger uh i

[0:44:01] Voice 31: would echo john's comments and i'm really really disappointed i've been involved with

[0:44:07] Voice 31: affordable housing on this island for as long as i've been here which is around 20 years and we

[0:44:15] Voice 31: have in that time built zero housing and it's just about time that this gets done i mean it's

[0:44:23] Voice 31: It's inexcusable the length of time and the amount of studies

[0:44:26] Voice 31: and the amount of money that's been just wasted

[0:44:29] Voice 31: on endless, endless studying and no doing.

[0:44:35] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:44:37] Voice 14: Ms. McClellan.

[0:44:39] Voice 14: You're muted, Libby.

[0:44:55] Voice 27: Okay, I see it comes through a different way.

[0:44:57] Voice 27: Sorry about that.

[0:44:58] Voice 27: Okay, so I'm voicing my support for both the housing applications,

[0:45:02] Voice 27: affordable housing applications.

[0:45:04] Voice 27: I followed the progress of each of these in order to be informed.

[0:45:08] And

[0:45:08] Voice 27: I encourage the committee, the LTC,

[0:45:10] Voice 27: to get these completed well before the election period

[0:45:14] Voice 27: after the summer.

[0:45:16] Voice 27: Both of these will be of great benefit

[0:45:19] Voice 27: to the whole Island community.

[0:45:21] Voice 27: Not just the folks that will be able to have a place to live,

[0:45:25] Voice 27: but all of us will benefit from this.

[0:45:27] Voice 27: Thank you.

[0:45:29] Voice 27: Mr.

[0:45:29] Voice 14: Rybak and Roger, could you put your hand down please?

[0:45:42] Voice 14: There we go.

[0:45:45] Voice 3: Am I on?

[0:45:46] Voice 3: Thank you,

[0:45:46] Voice 3: Mr. Chairman. I would urge the LTC to proceed with both applications. Applicants

[0:45:54] Voice 3: have responded to concerns and issues with reasonable and practical measures. No matter

[0:46:01] Voice 3: how much we want to achieve perfection, that goal is probably unattainable. Please proceed with the

[0:46:09] Voice 3: the application and resist the temptation to go down

[0:46:12] Voice 3: the rabbit hole of paralysis by excess analysis.

[0:46:17] Voice 3: And please try to avoid the temptation

[0:46:20] Voice 3: to micromanage operations that may be

[0:46:23] Voice 3: two to three years down the road.

[0:46:26] Voice 3: Please follow the recommendations by staff

[0:46:29] Voice 3: and proceed with both applications as quickly as practical.

[0:46:35] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:46:37] Voice 14: i have a um aslan makai can you hear me now yep all right i'm a

[0:46:49] Voice 32: young person living on galliano

[0:46:51] Voice 32: and i'm a third generation i don't care you don't want to see galliano turned into connor

[0:47:02] Voice 32: with a bunch of exclusive gaming communities my question for you

[0:47:07] Voice 32: does the trust pay attention to galliano's changing demographics and are you concerned

[0:47:11] Voice 32: with our lack of diversity and the long-term prosperity of our community at connor um

[0:47:21] Trustee Rogers: i i'd probably turn that over to the local trustees i i or was it specifically for me

[0:47:27] Trustee Rogers: mr mckay i i don't know if your last name is mckay i was it specifically

[0:47:35] Trustee Rogers: okay trustee wolverton do you have a quick answer yeah

[0:47:39] Voice 17: i just wanted to mention that um the um

[0:47:43] Voice 17: first cut of the census will come out on wednesday this week and it should uh it i don't know that

[0:47:50] Voice 17: we'll have a demographic well we might have a bit of a demographic breakdown by then but i think um

[0:47:56] Voice 17: it's going to show us what has changed well it will show us what has changed since 2016

[0:48:02] Voice 17: but also um i believe that there is a changing demographic on the island and and that um we do

[0:48:09] Voice 17: have you know younger families younger people and um so we shall see what the census shows but yes

[0:48:17] Voice 17: Yes, we are paying attention to that, Aslan.

[0:48:20] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[0:48:22] Trustee Rogers: Yes, trust you.

[0:48:24] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, Rockville.

[0:48:26] Voice 20: I did write in the December 2021 active page

[0:48:30] Voice 20: just how important I think

[0:48:33] Voice 20: having a scope of diverse population is

[0:48:37] Voice 20: to you with the health of the community.

[0:48:39] Voice 20: And I'm also under 50,

[0:48:41] Voice 20: operate a business, volunteer on the fire department

[0:48:44] Voice 20: and realize just to the extent of the risk

[0:48:47] Voice 20: this lack of housing is posing to our community.

[0:48:50] Voice 20: So I appreciate your comments.

[0:48:54] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Mr. McKay.

[0:48:55] Trustee Rogers: I'll just leave it there.

[0:48:57] Trustee Rogers: I guess I would just answer the question is yes.

[0:49:01] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Moses

[0:49:02] Voice 14: could be next.

[0:49:09] Voice 30: I just wanted to say,

[0:49:12] Voice 30: since you're allowing commentary

[0:49:17] Voice 30: on both affordable housing projects at the same time,

[0:49:20] Voice 30: which is fine,

[0:49:21] Voice 30: Fine, that yes, I support both these projects

[0:49:27] Voice 30: quite strongly, they would both be tremendous assets

[0:49:33] Voice 30: for the community badly needed.

[0:49:36] Voice 30: I know that reading the material

[0:49:39] Voice 30: that probably the most difficult decision

[0:49:42] Voice 30: that the trustees have to make is about the rental agreement

[0:49:47] Voice 30: and how that's structured.

[0:49:49] Voice 30: And it's certainly very disappointing to learn that BC Housing is not really playing ball and forcing the proponents to change the rental structure into something different.

[0:50:09] Voice 30: different. My view is that it's important to ensure that the rents are a combination

[0:50:17] Voice 30: of low end of the market rents and rent geared to income, the 30% of income formula. At the very

[0:50:28] Voice 30: least, it should be a combination of the two, which I know is in the package. It's one suggestion,

[0:50:33] Voice 30: and one possibility.

[0:50:36] Voice 30: I'm concerned that an entirely market rental development

[0:50:42] Voice 30: would not really be, I mean,

[0:50:44] Voice 30: you're going to go through the legal review

[0:50:46] Voice 30: with legal counsel to see whether this rental agreement

[0:50:50] Voice 30: is consistent with the OCP.

[0:50:53] Voice 30: Well,

[0:50:53] Trustee Rogers: we haven't made that decision yet, Mr. Moseley.

[0:50:56] Trustee Rogers: And you're right, it's challenging,

[0:51:00] Trustee Rogers: But both of the housing projects have similar issues.

[0:51:05] Trustee Rogers: So carry on.

[0:51:06] Trustee Rogers: I don't want to cut you off.

[0:51:08] Voice 30: Yeah, I just wanted to say, I mean, I'm uncomfortable if the market resulting project is entirely market rental.

[0:51:16] Voice 30: And not low end of the market rental, but like a standard rental project.

[0:51:20] Voice 30: I'm not sure that really meets the needs that these two projects identified and have been working to meet.

[0:51:30] Voice 30: So in your deliberations, I guess that's something you're going to have to consider.

[0:51:35] Voice 30: But, you know, hopefully money will be available from senior levels of government to make these projects possible, because that's why nothing has happened.

[0:51:47] Voice 30: and governments got out of the housing business many years ago

[0:51:50] Voice 30: and now they're sort of coming back,

[0:51:52] Voice 30: but it's still not strong enough.

[0:51:54] Voice 30: So anyway, I support these projects.

[0:51:58] Voice 30: Thank you.

[0:51:59] Voice 30: Joanne Randall, please.

[0:52:11] Voice 14: Hello.

[0:52:11] Voice 14: Hi.

[0:52:12] Voice 8: Hi.

[0:52:14] Voice 8: I just wanted to speak again to both of the affordable housing files

[0:52:18] Voice 8: as a community member and Chair Rogers,

[0:52:22] Voice 8: especially for your benefit here because you're not on the island.

[0:52:26] Voice 8: And I want to tell you about an initiative that started on the island. I tuned in a little late, and I believe Jane was saying something about this, but just to fill in some blanks, maybe.

[0:52:37] Voice 8: An individual on the island decided to support both housing projects by printing some Yimby signs, yes, in

[0:52:47] Voice 8: my backyard, to show her support for one near her.

[0:52:50] Voice 8: and through word of mouth and people speaking to each other this grew quite a bit and without any

[0:52:56] Voice 8: formal advertising at all um 46 people have asked for signs for their lawns and i think that this

[0:53:03] Voice 8: really represents a groundswell of support from an up till now silent majority um i believe these

[0:53:11] Voice 8: people some of them will write to you some of them probably won't some of them will probably

[0:53:16] Voice 8: express their support only through putting a sign up and of course chair

[0:53:20] Voice 8: Rogers you won't be able to see that but I just want to let you know that on the

[0:53:25] Voice 8: ground we can see that the more people learn about this the more and more

[0:53:30] Voice 8: people are supporting it I believe that's something you already know but

[0:53:34] Voice 8: chair Rogers I know you didn't know specifically about these signs so I just

[0:53:37] Trustee Rogers: oh yes I did oh

[0:53:39] Voice 8: you did okay another thing about the signs is some people who

[0:53:45] Voice 8: who have expressed a lot of concerns about the projects have interpreted these signs as a form

[0:53:51] Voice 8: of bullying. And I want to assure you, the trustees and anyone else, that the intention

[0:53:59] Voice 8: behind these signs is not to bully anyone. It is simply to show personal support for these

[0:54:07] Voice 8: initiatives to meet a very definite need on the island. So thank you for hearing me.

[0:54:13] Trustee Rogers: okay and and and if again if we could try and keep it short if something's already been said

[0:54:19] Trustee Rogers: because we've got we still haven't gone into any specifics we're taking commentary at the

[0:54:24] Trustee Rogers: moment joanne if you could mute yourself again um and um uh the uh just generically about housing

[0:54:33] Trustee Rogers: on the on the island and housing i'm allowing a little bit of this because rather than repeat

[0:54:38] Trustee Rogers: Pete yourself to each of the trustees.

[0:54:40] Trustee Rogers: There are common issues that arise on both of the projects,

[0:54:44] Trustee Rogers: but I don't want to get into any of the specifics of any of

[0:54:47] Trustee Rogers: that and please be brief.

[0:54:49] Trustee Rogers: And if something's already been said,

[0:54:50] Trustee Rogers: you can just refer to that.

[0:54:52] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Suzanne Fournier.

[0:55:00] Voice 2: Can you hear me?

[0:55:01] Voice 14: We can Suzanne, go ahead.

[0:55:02] Voice 2: Slightly different.

[0:55:06] Voice 2: I'd like to wish everyone a happy new year

[0:55:08] Voice 2: since it's the first time we've seen you this year online.

[0:55:11] Voice 2: I also want to speak generically

[0:55:14] Voice 2: in favor of the of both housing projects and I think stability cuts both ways. I think that

[0:55:23] Voice 2: everything everyone has to say is really important if even if it seems like we're repeating the same

[0:55:29] Voice 2: message. I would say the lack of affordable housing on Galliano has touched virtually every

[0:55:35] Voice 2: family and organization. The Galliano Conservancy has trouble attracting qualified staff and keeping

[0:55:42] Voice 2: them because of the lack of affordable housing we can't afford to pay what an

[0:55:47] Voice 2: in-city corporation would pay members of my own family have been forced to live

[0:55:54] Voice 2: for example in broken-down RV with no kitchen or working stove or heating and

[0:56:01] Voice 2: pay $800 a month for that so when we're talking about civility and civil society

[0:56:07] Voice 2: what we want is for the people who help you in the grocery store who attend if

[0:56:12] Voice 2: you have to call an ambulance who look after your children's teeth and your your own family's health

[0:56:19] Voice 2: they are looking for somewhere to live we're not talking about freeloaders or people seeking

[0:56:24] Voice 2: handouts my family lived in co-op housing for 27 years and it was a very successful model because

[0:56:32] Voice 2: it allowed people who could paid market rent those who could not pay market rent were subsidized not

[0:56:40] Voice 2: only by the rent of the other occupants but also by the government and the lowest income people

[0:56:47] Voice 2: got a full subsidy so i really encourage um you know that the the trustees to move ahead with

[0:56:56] Voice 2: these two affordable housing projects and please um you know give the benefit of the energy and

[0:57:03] Voice 2: time that you have left in this tenure to the people who live and work here not international

[0:57:08] Voice 2: national retreat visitors, not wellness tourists,

[0:57:11] Voice 2: not, you know, last summer,

[0:57:14] Voice 2: the island was absolutely weighted down by visitors.

[0:57:19] Voice 2: And there's only so much we can handle,

[0:57:21] Voice 2: especially when the people serving the visitors

[0:57:23] Voice 2: don't have somewhere safe and affordable to live.

[0:57:27] Voice 2: So thank you for what you've done so far

[0:57:29] Voice 2: and thank you to the housing societies.

[0:57:32] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[0:57:34] Trustee Rogers: Someone who's marked, it just says Gio.

[0:57:38] Voice 17: George, probably.

[0:57:40] Trustee Rogers: probably, but I didn't want to, I didn't want to assume that.

[0:57:44] Voice 28: So I'll go ahead.

[0:57:45] Voice 28: Sorry.

[0:57:47] Voice 28: Chair Rogers and the LTC.

[0:57:50] Voice 28: I just, there was something said about the rent structure.

[0:57:54] Voice 28: Oh, it's George Harris.

[0:57:56] Voice 28: I just suddenly recognized you.

[0:57:57] Trustee Rogers: I'm sorry.

[0:57:58] Trustee Rogers: I just recognized your voice.

[0:57:59] Trustee Rogers: Go ahead, sir.

[0:58:00] Voice 28: Sorry.

[0:58:00] Voice 28: Okay.

[0:58:01] Voice 28: Sorry.

[0:58:02] Voice 28: Thank you for taking my call.

[0:58:04] Voice 28: So just about the rent structure.

[0:58:05] Voice 28: Sure. It is a real difficult situation to try to set up rents before we know what any kind of funding we're going to get is.

[0:58:16] Voice 28: But it's at this point it is designed or what the B.C. housing request is 30 percent is market housing and 70 percent will be subsidized.

[0:58:31] Voice 28: So I don't know if that was clear what you said.

[0:58:34] Voice 28: said

[0:58:35] Trustee Rogers: no i it's very clear to us what the i think what he was saying is bc housing

[0:58:40] Trustee Rogers: uh and i and he he said that they're not stepping up but and i suppose you could make that argument

[0:58:46] Trustee Rogers: but the reality is the competition for bc housing money is so intense uh that affordable housing

[0:58:55] Trustee Rogers: groups like the one i know i think you're still a member of i don't know if you are

[0:58:59] Trustee Rogers: yes i am has to look elsewhere and and other funding organizations have different funding

[0:59:05] Trustee Rogers: for yeah go ahead trust me right now

[0:59:07] Voice 20: sorry is this specific to the galley application because it's

[0:59:12] Voice 20: not to gigger well

[0:59:14] Trustee Rogers: it's sort of it sort of is the it's about both of them so well

[0:59:18] Voice 20: i just didn't

[0:59:19] Voice 20: recognize the structure here is describing okay thanks

[0:59:21] Trustee Rogers: thanks okay yeah that's all i

[0:59:25] Trustee Rogers: thanks it's a

[0:59:25] Trustee Rogers: it's a huge huge issue yeah okay i appreciate that thanks we could we'll be talking

[0:59:32] Trustee Rogers: about it more when we get to uh some of these specific uh thank you okay uh carmita you're

[0:59:39] Trustee Rogers: going to speak about one application or you're going to speak because please don't speak about

[0:59:44] Trustee Rogers: um uh don't address a singular application thank you

[0:59:49] Voice 7: no i am later on i will speak about one

[0:59:52] Voice 7: application. This is about the silent minority that I just listened. I just want to let you know

[1:00:00] Voice 7: that the Affordable Housing Association, they are accepted, they have an article every month

[1:00:07] Voice 7: in the active page, the newspaper, they have advertising. But if anybody wants to send an

[1:00:16] Voice 7: article that shows any concern about affordable housing, they will not publish it. So for the

[1:00:24] Voice 7: The people who have concerns about this project,

[1:00:30] Voice 7: there is not a place where to show it to the island.

[1:00:36] Voice 7: So that's why I say to you

[1:00:38] Voice 7: that we don't know who is the silent minority.

[1:00:43] Voice 7: That's all.

[1:00:45] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:00:45] Trustee Rogers: All right.

[1:00:46] Trustee Rogers: And lastly, I have Jennifer Hamer.

[1:00:55] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Carmina, if you can put your hand down.

[1:00:58] Voice 23: um hi can you hear me

[1:01:00] Trustee Rogers: certainly can hi

[1:01:02] Voice 23: so my name is jennifer gartenhamer and i i've lived on the

[1:01:06] Voice 23: island for the last 10 years and um i'm i'm speaking now because i'd like to speak in support

[1:01:12] Voice 23: to both affordable housing applications um and i have a specific question so i'm not sure if you'll

[1:01:21] Voice 23: be able to answer it now or if it has to be answered later i'm just not a regular attendee

[1:01:26] Voice 23: of the meetings okay

[1:01:27] Voice 5: um

[1:01:28] Voice 23: my question is um in relationship to the that there's only seven

[1:01:35] Voice 23: local committee um local trust committee meetings left before the term ends i'm curious if you

[1:01:43] Voice 23: are willing to consider setting and committing to timelines to advance these two projects and um

[1:01:51] Voice 23: And if you could speak to that now, so that the people attending this meeting and listening can

[1:01:59] Voice 23: have some confidence to know that some things will be achieved in this rezoning process before

[1:02:06] Voice 23: your term ends. And if

[1:02:08] Voice 23: we can put some dates that we could hang our hats on and have some

[1:02:13] Voice 23: expectations about.

[1:02:16] Trustee Rogers: So I can answer that a little bit generically, and then perhaps we can address

[1:02:21] Trustee Rogers: in each of the applications

[1:02:22] Trustee Rogers: when we come back to them specifically,

[1:02:24] Trustee Rogers: but generically, the timelines are often determined

[1:02:30] Trustee Rogers: by where we're at in the process and what's left to do.

[1:02:36] Trustee Rogers: And so these processes are all involved with rezoning

[1:02:44] Trustee Rogers: and the rezoning and in the series of reports,

[1:02:47] Trustee Rogers: They both involve an affordable housing agreement, which is part of a bylaw, and they also involve what's called a Section 219 covenant, which is a covenant related to protection of the environment and other issues.

[1:03:00] Trustee Rogers: So those issues have to all be resolved and when we get to a point where we're ready to present something that's acceptable to everyone, we'll go to a public hearing process, presuming the process is still going.

[1:03:18] Trustee Rogers: Is it possible to do that in the remaining time in this term? Absolutely.

[1:03:22] Trustee Rogers: absolutely um will it happen i think it depends on on uh if we can resolve all of the issues that

[1:03:28] Trustee Rogers: that are outstanding um once we're that each each of the two components of the local trust committee

[1:03:36] Trustee Rogers: gives direction and i i i'm sort of doing that because trustee wilberton and i are dealing with

[1:03:43] Trustee Rogers: the galley application trustee rockefeller and i are dealing with the diggers application

[1:03:46] Trustee Rogers: Once we're satisfied that it's to give direction to staff, that it's time to start to schedule a community information meeting and a public hearing, then a timeline will be set out.

[1:04:02] Trustee Rogers: May

[1:04:03] Voice 23: I ask you a question in relationship to what you just said?

[1:04:07] Trustee Rogers: Sure.

[1:04:08] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[1:04:09] Voice 23: As community members, is there anything that we need to know at this point about what we can do to contribute to that process?

[1:04:19] Voice 23: I guess part of what we're doing is showing up to these meetings and voicing our support.

[1:04:25] Voice 32: And

[1:04:25] Voice 23: then my other question, and again, excuse my ignorance and not being super familiar with the process.

[1:04:32] Voice 23: But yeah, my other question is, if it's possible to do these things,

[1:04:39] Voice 23: you know as a community member what can i or other people do to contribute to that happening well

[1:04:46] Trustee Rogers: you do two things or at least two things and there may be others is you can you can work with a

[1:04:53] Trustee Rogers: proponent um or whether you're in favor of the application or not you can uh let let the local

[1:05:02] Trustee Rogers: local trust committee know um your views about uh whether an application any issues or problems or

[1:05:12] Trustee Rogers: support of the application and what you think is good or not so if it's we hear we've been here

[1:05:17] Trustee Rogers: and remember uh again i don't want to speak too broadly about them you know the the second

[1:05:23] Trustee Rogers: the galley application came in much later than the geiger's application um and uh and so it's

[1:05:32] Trustee Rogers: at a slightly different stage of the process but those are the two things that i can think of that

[1:05:37] Trustee Rogers: you can do is you can contribute to either the proponents application if that's what your your

[1:05:44] Trustee Rogers: your gist is or you can contribute to us so we're at the stage we're we're in the process of of

[1:05:52] Trustee Rogers: taking an applicant and like any applicant determining how and what we need to do in terms

[1:05:58] Trustee Rogers: of the the official community plan and the land use bylaw because there's a rezoning and whether

[1:06:04] Trustee Rogers: or not we should support the rezoning in order to facilitate this process um and that if we do

[1:06:12] Trustee Rogers: and i say if because we haven't decided finally on any of them if we do then the proponent is in

[1:06:19] Trustee Rogers: a position to go to the particular funders and say okay we've taken care of our our uh our project

[1:06:27] Trustee Rogers: are legal requirements at a local level.

[1:06:30] Trustee Rogers: So that's all I can think of to suggest.

[1:06:35] Trustee Rogers: I don't know if either other trustee

[1:06:36] Trustee Rogers: wants to comment generically about those things.

[1:06:40] Trustee Rogers: We may comment further about that.

[1:06:42] Trustee Rogers: We'll probably discuss those issues specifically

[1:06:45] Trustee Rogers: about each application when we get to it on the agenda.

[1:06:48] Trustee Rogers: So, which I'd like to do.

[1:06:50] Trustee Rogers: So, okay, thank you.

[1:06:53] Trustee Rogers: And I've got one more and I'm going to ask

[1:06:55] Trustee Rogers: that we get off the the specific housing uh missile it's miss allen lorelei allen if we

[1:07:03] Trustee Rogers: could just leave it and then move into these two specific applications because we need to move into

[1:07:07] Trustee Rogers: our agenda hi

[1:07:09] Voice 13: i just wanted to um uh because dan you mentioned that the uh galley application has

[1:07:15] Voice 13: come in much more recently i know that jane and tahira are well aware of this but um there was

[1:07:21] Voice 13: was its previous incarnation.

[1:07:23] Voice 13: I'm

[1:07:24] Trustee Rogers: well aware of that too.

[1:07:25] Voice 13: Yeah, that's been going since 2012.

[1:07:27] Voice 13: So that's all, I wanted to mention that

[1:07:28] Voice 13: just in the interest of expediting both applications.

[1:07:31] Trustee Rogers: I'm well aware

[1:07:32] Trustee Rogers: of that too.

[1:07:32] Voice 13: Thanks very much.

[1:07:33] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much.

[1:07:34] Voice 13: That's it, thanks.

[1:07:35] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I'm gonna cut off the discussion.

[1:07:38] Trustee Rogers: I'm gonna ask Trustee Rockefeller to leave for a minute,

[1:07:41] Trustee Rogers: a few minutes, and I'm gonna ask if anybody

[1:07:44] Trustee Rogers: has any specific submissions you wish to make

[1:07:48] Trustee Rogers: or commentary you meant to make related to the galley application uh not the gala giggers but

[1:07:54] Trustee Rogers: the galley application i see miss miss allen you still have your and as the trustee rockefeller

[1:08:00] Trustee Rogers: left us yes she has um so uh mr

[1:08:04] Voice 14: loverich okay i'm on youtube okay can you hear me yeah i can

[1:08:14] Trustee Rogers: hear you yes okay

[1:08:15] Voice 10: good i just want to say my little piece here uh i support mr jane wolverton

[1:08:21] Voice 10: I support you taking bold moves and showing leadership today on tackling the highest human

[1:08:26] Voice 10: crisis and I urge you to move beyond the cautious first reading and give second reading to the

[1:08:32] Voice 10: galleyist draft bylaw it would be great to have it happen as soon as possible so that we can

[1:08:38] Voice 10: relieve the housing shortage in the best way possible okay

[1:08:42] Trustee Rogers: thank you very much anybody else

[1:08:44] Trustee Rogers: Who else wish to speak to the Galley IC George again?

[1:08:48] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Harris, former trustee here.

[1:08:54] Voice 28: Thank you.

[1:08:55] Voice 28: Yeah, concerning the Galley application,

[1:08:58] Voice 28: as someone mentioned, it's nine years

[1:09:01] Voice 28: since it first rose its head.

[1:09:05] Voice 28: It's now zoned for a 20 lot subdivision.

[1:09:08] Voice 28: So in many ways, this is actually a down zone.

[1:09:13] Voice 28: But I think what's happened with the trust

[1:09:17] Voice 28: over the years, as someone also mentioned, we've gone down the hall. The trust, its job is land

[1:09:26] Voice 28: use. And what we've done now with both applications is it's over $300,000 now between the two

[1:09:37] Voice 28: societies that has been spent on consultants and engineers. And things like septic engineering,

[1:09:46] Voice 28: engineering um these these are not under the uh jurisdiction of the islands trust and the tragedy

[1:09:54] Voice 28: here is that we were spending i don't know how many thousands on septic engineering but that

[1:09:58] Voice 28: engineering will have no um when we hit when we go to do our subdivision that's we have to do it

[1:10:07] Voice 28: all over again they don't because because the guy on stress doesn't have the expertise to be

[1:10:12] Voice 28: septic engineer uh authority so the tragedy one of the many strategies is that many of these

[1:10:20] Voice 28: reports that we've paid for will actually not be usable as we move forward and you know as we know

[1:10:28] Voice 28: there were the seven meetings left um that is very little time and we now need um trustee wolverton

[1:10:36] Voice 28: to step out of the comfort zone and today call for a public hearing and I know that there'll be

[1:10:45] Voice 28: but we don't have all the information well if you look historically at Galliano many of these have

[1:10:53] Voice 28: gone forward without all the information yet when I became trustee I had to do the take over the

[1:10:59] Voice 28: whole covenant for the galeano conservancy it was a major uh left by the previous trustees but

[1:11:07] Voice 28: you know in my opinion it was like you know they wanted to move that forward uh the this

[1:11:11] Voice 28: is the bowie keifer um application they they gave it third reading um but without covenants

[1:11:18] Voice 28: organized um so we organized it and we can't be perfect but the only way we can get a galley

[1:11:28] Voice 28: finished in seven meetings is for today trustee wolverton to to make some very bold

[1:11:39] Voice 28: moods and and uncomfortable and i i was in that position of making very uncomfortable decisions

[1:11:45] Voice 28: but we need it we really need it to happen because if we get a new a new trust council

[1:11:51] Voice 28: So a committee, who knows what new things you're going to need.

[1:11:58] Voice 28: So it's urgent and it's a crisis.

[1:12:01] Voice 28: So, you know, please, Trustee Wolverton, today I beg you to move this much quicker.

[1:12:08] Voice 28: Thank you.

[1:12:12] Trustee Rogers: Thanks.

[1:12:12] Trustee Rogers: thanks um can if I could just say I'm I'm at least and to this point satisfied that for example

[1:12:22] Trustee Rogers: requirements around septic are that's specifically set out in the land use bylaw all of the studies

[1:12:28] Trustee Rogers: that we've asked for are an important consideration for us so that's just my perspective but uh I see

[1:12:35] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Loveridge you still have your hands up uh and I assume that's a remnant so uh Ms. uh Colleen

[1:12:41] Trustee Rogers: doughty hello

[1:12:46] Voice 14: um uh

[1:12:47] Voice 9: trustee wolverton uh given that the local land the local government act

[1:12:52] Voice 9: allows for waving of public hearings in cases where the ocp aligns with current zoning as it

[1:12:58] Voice 9: does would you consider possibly even waiving the public hearing for the galley application

[1:13:06] Voice 9: and certainly minister eb is providing a lot of strong leadership on housing thank you for your

[1:13:14] Voice 9: comments i look forward to hearing them i

[1:13:16] Voice 17: think that um public hearings are sorry i think that

[1:13:22] Voice 17: public hearings are a very important part of the process um so i believe this should go to a public

[1:13:29] Voice 17: hearing and uh actually i look forward to that possibility um so i i wouldn't i wouldn't be

[1:13:39] Voice 17: inclined to waive a public hearing on uh this kind of an application that that i think is pretty

[1:13:46] Voice 17: critical to the island a permission to ask a follow-up question as

[1:13:54] Trustee Rogers: long as it's not an argument

[1:13:55] Trustee Rogers: you have a question go ahead yeah

[1:13:58] Voice 9: no no not at all if you aren't willing to waive a public hearing

[1:14:03] Voice 9: would you then at least be willing to set a target date to work toward that all parties

[1:14:10] Voice 9: can work toward that

[1:14:14] Voice 17: is my hope that when we're discussing this today uh it'll depend also on my

[1:14:19] Voice 17: fellow trustee chair rogers but um i believe that we are pretty close to having what we need

[1:14:26] Voice 17: in order to do that thank

[1:14:30] Voice 14: you very much thank

[1:14:32] Trustee Rogers: you uh i don't see any other hands for that so i'm

[1:14:37] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to ask trustee Wolverton to step aside and somehow we'll find a way

[1:14:44] Trustee Rogers: to get trustee Rockefeller magically back on screen.

[1:14:48] Trustee Rogers: And then we'll if you want to start to put your hand up related to the

[1:14:53] Trustee Rogers: Giggers application. And again,

[1:14:57] Trustee Rogers: I remind you that if it's please be,

[1:15:01] Trustee Rogers: please be as brief as you can.

[1:15:04] Trustee Rogers: And if you have heard something that's already been said,

[1:15:08] Trustee Rogers: you might want to consider uh just to say i agree with so we don't need to um spend a lot of time

[1:15:17] Trustee Rogers: uh okay i see two hands the first is uh carmita so uh thank you carmita and i'll just say um

[1:15:30] Trustee Rogers: We got your commentary and your letters and emails from,

[1:15:38] Trustee Rogers: I'm gonna say Friday and Saturday,

[1:15:40] Trustee Rogers: but it may have been Saturday and Sunday.

[1:15:42] Trustee Rogers: I'm losing track of days,

[1:15:44] Trustee Rogers: as well as a member of the executive.

[1:15:46] Trustee Rogers: I got your same email to the executive committee.

[1:15:49] Trustee Rogers: So just keep that in mind in your commentary

[1:15:52] Trustee Rogers: that we have it and I certainly have read it.

[1:15:57] Trustee Rogers: And I'm guessing if I know Trustee Rockefeller,

[1:15:59] Trustee Rogers: she will have read it as well so over to you carmina

[1:16:01] Voice 14: do

[1:16:08] Voice 7: you listen yes i can hear you yes

[1:16:10] Voice 7: thank you

[1:16:11] Voice 7: first i didn't think about that but i would like to tell you that as trustees you

[1:16:17] Voice 7: shouldn't feel responsible for the time and money is spent for the applicants as like i spend hours

[1:16:27] Voice 7: words in this, you are not responsible. That's our decision, the applicant decision, myself,

[1:16:36] Voice 7: that I oppose the building in the community forest. Now, the second thing is I would like

[1:16:43] Voice 7: to remind you and the people who are listening that the Giga's location is not like Crystal

[1:16:53] Voice 7: mountain or Gala is a community forest who has a protected covenant and this

[1:17:03] Voice 7: protected covenant that is from 2008 say first to prove that it forbidden to

[1:17:13] Voice 7: prevent the subdivision or residential use of the land except in accordance with

[1:17:19] Voice 7: The accordance is that to subdivide the land in accordance with Section 4 of the OCP, which states instead you have the land in FH,

[1:17:36] Voice 7: instead be rezoned to CF community facility to permit affordable housing, including housing for senior citizens.

[1:17:47] Voice 7: That means that when you have a housing agreement, like the one that has been presented now by GIGARS, where the Wyser Consulting said, where at least some of the units will be guaranteed to be affordable.

[1:18:08] Voice 7: affordable only some being

[1:18:16] Voice 14: honest about

[1:18:17] Voice 7: this that recognizing that few

[1:18:22] Voice 7: will you listen to me like

[1:18:26] Voice 5: yes i can hear you

[1:18:27] Voice 5: although you did you

[1:18:28] Voice 7: did cut out for a second

[1:18:29] Voice 7: yes okay that very few need will be affordable and it if you don't know before resounding

[1:18:40] Voice 7: because the housing agreement is so minimal, minimalistic and not explicit

[1:18:48] Voice 7: that this housing agreement, that this project will have deep subsidized units

[1:18:58] Voice 7: and how many deep subsidized units that is for the most vulnerable people on Galeano.

[1:19:08] Voice 7: So I don't see how can you, even without doing the legal advice, this housing agreement can be accepted.

[1:19:20] Voice 7: And you don't even have either how many market rental, and it's called affordable market rental, but in reality, it's for the people who can afford medium-range rental.

[1:19:33] Voice 7: That is it. So I really, I would like to ask you that this housing agreement cannot be accepted. It goes against the OCP. The OCP speaks about giving more density exclusively from exclusively.

[1:19:54] Voice 7: And I remember very well, Trasteer Rockefeller was very troubled considering to change the OCP because it's such an important document.

[1:20:06] Voice 7: And it was changed in the sense that you pass a motion to help with busy housing that is a primary.

[1:20:16] Voice 7: And now you are offered some affordable housing units.

[1:20:21] Voice 7: And what worries me also is that that will open the door for other developments with minimal affordable housing.

[1:20:35] Voice 7: But say that you don't mind because you listen to the people that are saying it doesn't matter, it's rental, it's housing.

[1:20:43] Voice 7: But remember that the community forest has a covenant to protect them.

[1:20:55] Voice 7: In the sense that you just don't do any housing.

[1:20:59] Voice 7: It has to be affordable housing.

[1:21:02] Voice 7: It couldn't be mostly housing with a few affordable ones.

[1:21:08] Voice 7: It has been enough degrading the community forest by us to add another one without even

[1:21:19] Voice 7: knowing if you are going to have the subsidy unit.

[1:21:23] Voice 7: It's so basic to have this unit.

[1:21:26] Voice 7: You have to protect the people who are all the people who have income assistance, the

[1:21:32] Voice 7: people with disabilities.

[1:21:34] Voice 7: Well,

[1:21:34] Trustee Rogers: that's all, and I

[1:21:35] Voice 7: thank you very much for listening to me.

[1:21:38] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[1:21:38] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you very much.

[1:21:39] Trustee Rogers: I gave you a bit of extra time

[1:21:40] Trustee Rogers: because I know you wanted to speak to us.

[1:21:42] Trustee Rogers: So George, Mr. Harris.

[1:21:50] Voice 28: Thank you, Chair Rogers.

[1:21:56] Voice 28: Trustee Rockefeller, as you know,

[1:22:00] Voice 28: I spend some time in your seat

[1:22:04] Voice 28: and it's very-

[1:22:06] Trustee Rogers: You're breaking up, George.

[1:22:07] Trustee Rogers: Do you want to start again?

[1:22:08] Voice 28: You're

[1:22:09] Trustee Rogers: breaking up.

[1:22:10] Voice 28: Okay, okay.

[1:22:11] Voice 28: Okay. Yes, I have a very poor connection. Is that any better?

[1:22:15] Voice 28: Yes.

[1:22:17] Voice 28: Okay. Trustee Rockefeller, we need you to make a bold decision. We need you to show leadership.

[1:22:32] Voice 28: We are in a crisis. We have been working on this file for a long time. There is no easy way out,

[1:22:43] Voice 28: but we need you to move this forward to have this done uh i you have seven meetings left

[1:22:51] Voice 28: uh please consider calling for a public hearing today and moving to a second reading thank you

[1:22:59] Voice 28: thanks

[1:23:01] Trustee Rogers: mr harris uh carmen you still got your hand up if you could put it down and colleen dotey

[1:23:07] Trustee Rogers: and i i assume colleen you're speaking now because you're not going to be part of the

[1:23:11] Trustee Rogers: applicant's presentation i'm

[1:23:14] Voice 9: speaking now because i have a comment about something that appeared in

[1:23:17] Voice 9: the minutes that needs to be corrected it's agenda

[1:23:20] Voice 9: agenda package page nine at the bottom

[1:23:23] Voice 9: regarding the bullet where it states quote the province has allocated less water than giggers

[1:23:29] Voice 9: requested unquote although this bullet is a true reflection of what

[1:23:33] Trustee Rogers: sorry can you just tell me

[1:23:35] Trustee Rogers: again i had to pull up

[1:23:36] Voice 9: my okay so agenda package page nine at the bottom the second to last bullet

[1:23:41] Voice 9: yeah the province has allocated less water than giggers requested got it okay so although this is

[1:23:49] Voice 9: a statement of what was said by planner smith at the december ltc meeting the statement is not

[1:23:55] Voice 9: correct the province accepted the numbers that giggers professional hydrogeologists provided

[1:24:01] Voice 9: provided to the water licensing branch so the province found our requested water volumes to

[1:24:06] Voice 9: be reasonable they did not reduce alter or amend our requested volumes so there may have been some

[1:24:14] Voice 9: confusion perhaps by the planning staff between maximum daily volume and how the annual maximum

[1:24:21] Voice 9: diversion is calculated from average daily demand but those numbers that appear in our license are

[1:24:28] Voice 9: what givers provided to the province there were no changes by the province they found them to be

[1:24:34] Voice 9: reasonable so uh the situation needs to be put right um the statement should be removed from

[1:24:40] Voice 9: the minutes and unfortunately uh there may be some um i guess misunderstanding in the community as a

[1:24:49] Voice 9: result of the misstatement but i'm i'm hoping that after after today's meeting there won't be

[1:24:54] Voice 9: thank you okay

[1:24:56] Trustee Rogers: i've made a note to ask uh planner smiths about that when we get to the discussion

[1:25:02] Trustee Rogers: about this issue uh

[1:25:04] Voice 14: laurie c hi thank you

[1:25:16] Voice 26: i'd just like to support the call for um an expedient

[1:25:22] Voice 26: approach to the giggers application and i'm a big fan of how focused on community engagement

[1:25:29] Voice 26: the trust is um i do have concerns however where we start to look at you know where affordable

[1:25:36] Voice 26: housing has been proposed in other districts and we end up in a place where public participation

[1:25:41] Voice 26: becomes this highway to gentrification right and it's about who can outspend you know if the

[1:25:49] Voice 26: opposition can easily outspend the applicant then we're really in in that place i think as a

[1:25:55] Voice 26: community i'm getting targeted facebook ads and anonymous mail outs and um i just feel like i'd

[1:26:03] Voice 26: like to hear from the trustees where what they feel like the scope other than the formal meeting

[1:26:10] Voice 26: process do you feel like there's stones left unturned for this application thank you okay uh

[1:26:19] Trustee Rogers: thanks um there's stones left on i think that's probably part of our discussion when we get to

[1:26:27] Trustee Rogers: the actual application unless trustee rockefeller you'd like to say something um

[1:26:31] Voice 20: i would just

[1:26:32] Voice 20: encourage everyone who's interested in the givers application to stick around for the discussion

[1:26:36] Voice 20: around the application because i think that's going to be a good formative discussion on all

[1:26:41] Voice 20: the issues you've brought up today thanks

[1:26:44] Trustee Rogers: okay uh that's the last hand i see so that's great we're

[1:26:49] Trustee Rogers: gonna i'm gonna force a bunch more pop up i'm gonna close the town hall uh thank you for your

[1:26:54] Trustee Rogers: commentary and uh i'll just remind you that as we get to the various applications on the agenda

[1:27:01] Trustee Rogers: uh we'll be inviting the the applicants uh to uh to join us because we'll away we have some

[1:27:09] Trustee Rogers: may have some questions from them missy could you put your hand down please i appreciate it thank

[1:27:13] Trustee Rogers: you and um and then uh and so we will hear some a little bit more communication of course about that

[1:27:20] Trustee Rogers: So if we could get Trustee Woolverton back.

[1:27:25] Trustee Rogers: I'm just going to step just out for a second while she comes back and get us some water.

[1:27:49] Voice 14: Hello, I'm back.

[1:27:53] Voice 14: Dan's just getting a glass of water.

[1:28:03] Voice 14: Okay, thanks.

[1:28:05] Trustee Rogers: So we're now at, thank you for all your commentary.

[1:28:09] Trustee Rogers: We don't have a CIM.

[1:28:10] Trustee Rogers: There's no public hearing today.

[1:28:11] Trustee Rogers: uh we're at the minutes and there's been at least two um items that have been raised for us

[1:28:19] Trustee Rogers: about the minutes uh just trying to find the one that mr moses raised i think it was on

[1:28:29] Trustee Rogers: it was um where was i know what he said

[1:28:35] Trustee Rogers: it's page eight of the package page eight yeah

[1:28:38] Voice 14: uh right

[1:28:42] Trustee Rogers: right so do we it says because the cms cannot be restricted it should fall under the economic

[1:28:50] Trustee Rogers: activity in the

[1:28:51] Trustee Rogers: word it should do we all agree that that's what it he actually should read so

[1:28:56] Trustee Rogers: i'll take that as a consent amendment um if we could make that change to those minutes

[1:29:04] Trustee Rogers: And then there was, I don't know, I mean, what I heard Ms. Doty say was that while the minutes reflected what was said, she was suggesting that it was inaccurate related to Giger's.

[1:29:23] Trustee Rogers: um and i'm i i sort of i mean if it's a if it's an accurate um reflection of what was said

[1:29:31] Trustee Rogers: then i'm not sure that it should be removed from the minutes even if we need to

[1:29:36] Trustee Rogers: correct it i don't know what do you have a view about that trustee rockefeller

[1:29:41] Trustee Rogers: uh planner smith have you are you with us no

[1:29:46] Voice 16: and

[1:29:47] Trustee Rogers: and you you heard ms dodi's comment related to

[1:29:50] Trustee Rogers: the statement about the province approving and I guess I don't know if you just think that that was

[1:30:00] Trustee Rogers: uh you still think what you said was accurate or whether whether there's some modification to what

[1:30:07] Trustee Rogers: the what should be said there i think what her concern was is that being in the minutes has

[1:30:11] Trustee Rogers: caused some confusion in the community can

[1:30:13] Planner: you point me to the specific statement sorry

[1:30:15] Planner: yeah

[1:30:16] Trustee Rogers: we got to find it again let me

[1:30:19] Voice 17: just step out chair rogers if

[1:30:21] Trustee Rogers: you like although you you

[1:30:22] Trustee Rogers: see the minutes as much as anybody else does i do so why don't you just not engage in the

[1:30:29] Trustee Rogers: the conversation um i guess if we get into specifics perhaps you can step out um uh trustee

[1:30:36] Trustee Rogers: rockefeller can you help me find it again i i had it here and now it seems to be oh there it is

[1:30:42] Trustee Rogers: bottom of page nine second from the bottom the province has allocated less water than

[1:30:48] Trustee Rogers: giga giga is requested and she and she acknowledged that that's what she said

[1:30:55] Trustee Rogers: she just thinks it's not accurate and and i recall something about

[1:31:00] Trustee Rogers: um

[1:31:01] Planner: i think you could potentially uh reword that i can provide a different

[1:31:10] Planner: i think the bullet above could the bullet above could could it be amended to say a

[1:31:18] Planner: conditional water license i think would be helpful and then uh the next bullet

[1:31:24] Planner: it um i mean it's true it's it's

[1:31:32] Planner: a statement of fact what's written there the province has

[1:31:35] Planner: allocated uh less a lesser annual volume uh than what giggers has requested so if you want to say

[1:31:45] Planner: that in a different way but it's not an untrue statement giggers asked for 11 cubic meters per

[1:31:54] Planner: day and uh they were allocated a maximum of 11 cubic meters per day but in an average of i think

[1:32:02] Planner: 8.7 cubic meters per day so any day they exceeded that 8.7 they would need to use less than that

[1:32:11] Planner: on a different day to not use more than 8.7 through the whole year so

[1:32:22] Trustee Rogers: my my inclination is

[1:32:24] Trustee Rogers: because i think there's still we could get into a long debate about what's accurate and what's not

[1:32:29] Trustee Rogers: and i see ms dodi has her hand up again i really don't want to get into a debate about what yeah i

[1:32:34] Planner: mean the

[1:32:35] Trustee Rogers: minute i think we could

[1:32:36] Planner: i think i could uh yeah there's there's there's

[1:32:42] Trustee Rogers: there's wording

[1:32:43] Trustee Rogers: that could further

[1:32:43] Planner: clarify what that is that i could provide that's not well

[1:32:47] Trustee Rogers: we also could just

[1:32:48] Trustee Rogers: remove it from the minute you

[1:32:49] Planner: could do that too yeah i would i would suggest amending uh the top

[1:32:53] Planner: above bullet to say a conditional water license because uh it is important to note that it is

[1:33:00] Planner: conditional i think

[1:33:02] Voice 14: uh

[1:33:03] Trustee Rogers: trustee rockefeller um

[1:33:07] Voice 14: i mean part of the

[1:33:10] Voice 20: accurate it's accurate it could

[1:33:11] Voice 20: just be left it's minutes we could include it in the application whatever you guys think is

[1:33:15] Voice 20: appropriate yeah

[1:33:18] Trustee Rogers: i mean this is just a record and of course it doesn't capture everything and i

[1:33:22] Trustee Rogers: recall that there was some commentary back to us at the time that the statements were made

[1:33:27] Trustee Rogers: that's not capturing these minutes um and of course the the matter is what the matter is

[1:33:34] Trustee Rogers: right whatever the water license is the water license is uh so i'd be content with amending

[1:33:41] Trustee Rogers: the minutes to say a conditional water license and then and then that and then removing the next

[1:33:46] Trustee Rogers: bullet down if that's the point that's of some uh concern

[1:33:51] Voice 14: are you okay with that trustee rockefeller

[1:33:56] Voice 14: or would you like to leave it the bullet the way it is um

[1:34:03] Voice 20: if it's accurate i would think we should

[1:34:06] Voice 20: leave the minutes reflecting what was said but if it's inaccurate then we could take it up i think

[1:34:12] Trustee Rogers: it was act it is an accurate reflection of what was said yes then

[1:34:16] Trustee Rogers: i don't know why we would remove

[1:34:18] Voice 20: it to censor comments okay

[1:34:22] Trustee Rogers: yeah it is problematic when something's said and then there's disagreement

[1:34:28] Trustee Rogers: in it so that's fine i'm fine with that i i see ms doughty with her hand up um we're not really

[1:34:34] Trustee Rogers: in the public commentary period and i i am reluctant perhaps you could send me an email

[1:34:42] Trustee Rogers: if there's something you wish to say so we don't open up this as a debate so uh i think guess what

[1:34:48] Trustee Rogers: the decision is we'll leave it the way it is um we've had the discussion the point's been made

[1:34:53] Trustee Rogers: and uh we'll um uh it is an accurate reflection of the minister accurate so with the amendment

[1:35:00] Trustee Rogers: related to the first amendment can we adopt the minutes as presented yes trustee wolverton then

[1:35:09] Trustee Rogers: we'll adopt those minutes thanks very much uh there are two resolutions of a meeting this is

[1:35:14] Trustee Rogers: a public record of the uh of the when we do resolutions without meeting we have statutory

[1:35:20] Trustee Rogers: authority to to to do resolutions and that this is where we can pass a motion without a meeting we

[1:35:28] Trustee Rogers: can do that particularly on there's some things procedural matters and some matters related to

[1:35:35] Trustee Rogers: bylaws like adoption this was this was a process we put in place to ensure that we could do what

[1:35:42] Trustee Rogers: we're doing today so we adopted a set of bylaws to allow us to have our regular meetings electronically

[1:35:48] Trustee Rogers: electronically and so there is a new bylaw in place bylaw 282 which allows us to do uh uh these

[1:35:56] Trustee Rogers: meetings it's not our intent to do it unless we are required to but allows us to have a full meeting

[1:36:01] Trustee Rogers: rather than just a special meeting so that's what that's the record of um we then have a follow-up

[1:36:06] Trustee Rogers: action list and if we could bring in a planner back uh are there any questions from the follow-up

[1:36:13] Trustee Rogers: action list from either of the trustees for the planner

[1:36:16] Voice 14: the only question

[1:36:22] Trustee Rogers: i had arising out of

[1:36:24] Trustee Rogers: this is there's um there's i i know it's not on our agenda but i just noted that number from

[1:36:31] Trustee Rogers: december 6 number 7 and number uh 8 uh no sorry number 6 and number 7 are listed as completed

[1:36:40] Trustee Rogers: and i just wondered if that's accurate and it's just that we'll get that back on our agenda at

[1:36:46] Trustee Rogers: some point that's on page 14 related to crystal mountain and the section 219 covenant and the

[1:36:56] Trustee Rogers: definition so you the work's been done it's just it's not appeared on our it will come

[1:37:00] Trustee Rogers: to our agenda at some time in the future is that

[1:37:02] Trustee Rogers: correct so

[1:37:04] Planner: number six and seven

[1:37:06] Planner: yeah so number six

[1:37:09] Planner: uh that was uh uh directed by the ltc so the the the bylaw at first reading is amended to reflect

[1:37:18] Planner: that change and it's updated on the web page number seven staff are well we've

[1:37:27] Planner: sent a list of conditions to young Anderson and a cost recovery agreement

[1:37:33] Planner: is finalized so mmm I think it's fair to say that with including that 60% force

[1:37:39] Planner: cover protection target language included in direction to legal counsel

[1:37:45] Planner: so that one is complete as well okay so that's and that

[1:37:49] Voice 5: draft covenant

[1:37:50] Planner: that draft covenant will

[1:37:52] Planner: come back to ltc with with that along with uh okay for example ltc is directed to include all

[1:37:59] Planner: the recommendations of the ecological assessment and covenant okay okay

[1:38:04] Voice 5: uh thanks

[1:38:05] Trustee Rogers: um we i don't

[1:38:09] Trustee Rogers: have any other questions any questions arising from either trustees now then we'll move on from

[1:38:13] Trustee Rogers: from the follow-up action list.

[1:38:14] Trustee Rogers: There's no delegations.

[1:38:16] Trustee Rogers: I did wanna, oh, and this is actually my question.

[1:38:19] Trustee Rogers: This is where the correspondence was.

[1:38:22] Trustee Rogers: I just wanted to, at the last meeting in December,

[1:38:26] Trustee Rogers: we had some public communication input

[1:38:31] Trustee Rogers: about the cell tower, the Rogers cell tower modification.

[1:38:36] Trustee Rogers: And there was a motion passed to write a letter

[1:38:39] Trustee Rogers: to Rogers in response to an email that we had received.

[1:38:45] Trustee Rogers: We did that.

[1:38:46] Trustee Rogers: We drafted the letter, and I honestly can't remember

[1:38:50] Trustee Rogers: if it went out before Christmas or after Christmas,

[1:38:53] Trustee Rogers: probably before the Christmas break.

[1:38:57] Trustee Rogers: But it's not in the correspondence, and it's not on the web page,

[1:39:00] Trustee Rogers: and I guess the community would not know that we did that

[1:39:05] Trustee Rogers: unless someone forwarded it to them,

[1:39:09] Trustee Rogers: And I wondered, would this not be the place where that, I guess, is correspondence received as opposed to correspondence we've sent?

[1:39:19] Trustee Rogers: So I guess my question is, did either of the trustees sort of circulate the letter or let the community know that we did it?

[1:39:31] Trustee Rogers: No.

[1:39:33] Trustee Rogers: And I think it's one of the, I don't know whether flaws is the right word,

[1:39:37] Trustee Rogers: but it's one of the challenges with the new website is is that you have to go a few steps

[1:39:42] Trustee Rogers: to find correspondence advocacy correspondence anyway it hasn't made it i'll get it i'll make

[1:39:47] Trustee Rogers: sure that it's included in the generic advocacy correspondence because even local trust advocacy

[1:39:53] Trustee Rogers: letters are ending up in that section of the website trustee rockwell we

[1:39:58] Voice 20: did include it in

[1:39:59] Voice 20: our trustee update for january uh that we didn't visit other than that no okay

[1:40:05] Trustee Rogers: but it was the

[1:40:06] Trustee Rogers: the actual letter was included?

[1:40:08] Trustee Rogers: No, we

[1:40:09] Voice 20: hadn't drafted it at that point.

[1:40:11] Voice 20: Oh, I see.

[1:40:12] Trustee Rogers: So the fact that we were going to do it,

[1:40:15] Voice 20: okay.

[1:40:16] Trustee Rogers: So I'll contact and make sure,

[1:40:21] Trustee Rogers: because I know it went through the,

[1:40:23] Trustee Rogers: it goes through trust area services

[1:40:25] Trustee Rogers: and I know it went through trust area services

[1:40:28] Trustee Rogers: and was sent out.

[1:40:30] Trustee Rogers: So I'll contact them and make sure it gets up

[1:40:33] Trustee Rogers: on the website so that the community is aware

[1:40:35] Trustee Rogers: that we've done it haven't and what struck me was we haven't got a reply um so

[1:40:41] Trustee Rogers: i was going to follow

[1:40:42] Trustee Rogers: up with that as a uh as as to whether anybody else has seen a reply but i assume nobody has

[1:40:48] Trustee Rogers: but i haven't got a reply yet

[1:40:50] Voice 16: okay

[1:40:51] Trustee Rogers: um we're now at a uh a scheduled meeting break but both of you

[1:40:58] Trustee Rogers: have been out of the room um trust and planner smith has been a sort of off camera for a while

[1:41:04] Trustee Rogers: would you like a meeting break or can we carry on i'm fine i think the next

[1:41:10] Voice 17: one i'm recused anyway

[1:41:12] Voice 17: you

[1:41:13] Trustee Rogers: are so you get to have a break anyway five

[1:41:16] Planner: minutes would be useful for me chair rogers sure

[1:41:18] Trustee Rogers: then let's step down for five minutes we'll come back at 2 20 thanks very much and

[1:41:23] Voice 14: i'll leave the

[1:41:24] Voice 14: meeting right now thanks welcome back everyone um we're

[1:48:38] Trustee Rogers: about to move into 13.1 which is the

[1:48:41] Trustee Rogers: The digger is GLRZ 2019.1.

[1:48:50] Trustee Rogers: I'd like to, who are, who's going to be the,

[1:48:54] Trustee Rogers: I saw Ms. Gibson here.

[1:48:56] Trustee Rogers: Is there anybody else that's going to be representative

[1:48:59] Trustee Rogers: of the applicant during the course of this,

[1:49:04] Trustee Rogers: our consideration and discussion of the staff report?

[1:49:07] Trustee Rogers: Who he is, okay.

[1:49:13] Trustee Rogers: Okay, anybody else?

[1:49:15] Trustee Rogers: And Ms. Gavro.

[1:49:17] Trustee Rogers: Robin, if possible, can you promote each of Elena Gibson, Lisa Gavro, and Colin Doty to panelists so that they can turn their camera on if they wish to?

[1:49:33] Trustee Rogers: And we'll get to them.

[1:49:35] Trustee Rogers: and um and and let me know robin if you can't do if for whatever reason technologically they

[1:49:42] Trustee Rogers: won't let you do that uh we used to be certainly did do it for many months

[1:49:48] Planner: i've provided robin

[1:49:49] Planner: with those names and uh the those folks should receive a link that they would uh log on to and

[1:49:57] Planner: then they would log in as a panelist so okay

[1:50:01] Trustee Rogers: thank you robin

[1:50:02] Planner: for that in the background

[1:50:03] Planner: yeah

[1:50:04] Trustee Rogers: i see ellen is there i see colleen's there and presumably lisa gabriel making a wig over

[1:50:15] Trustee Rogers: at some point i think she's there now

[1:50:24] Trustee Rogers: there she is okay so if i could hi nice to see you all

[1:50:28] Trustee Rogers: maybe i could ask you to just uh perhaps uh i'll turn your cameras off for a moment until we're

[1:50:34] Trustee Rogers: are ready to come back to you.

[1:50:38] Trustee Rogers: We're going to get, so the way we're going to,

[1:50:40] Trustee Rogers: we're going to walk our way through this carefully.

[1:50:42] Trustee Rogers: There's a number of issues and submissions

[1:50:45] Trustee Rogers: and recommendations from staff,

[1:50:49] Trustee Rogers: and we're going to work our way through those,

[1:50:53] Trustee Rogers: but we're going to start with the staff report.

[1:50:56] Trustee Rogers: Now, Planner Smith, at one point you indicated

[1:50:58] Trustee Rogers: that the applicant may want to make a brief presentation.

[1:51:02] Trustee Rogers: Is that correct?

[1:51:04] Planner: that's for gala oh

[1:51:06] Trustee Rogers: that's for gala sorry um i i got them mixed up in my head um and so uh

[1:51:14] Trustee Rogers: niceema gibson has her hand up is there something you wish i'm sorry

[1:51:18] Planner: no that is for this application

[1:51:20] Planner: yeah i'm wrong i'm sorry yeah

[1:51:22] Voice 1: we were we were planning on doing this

[1:51:24] Planner: just getting the two

[1:51:25] Planner: mixed up in my head so if we could uh allow eleni to share her screen when we get to that

[1:51:33] Planner: that point with respect to rent structure that would be great and Robin has prepared her for

[1:51:39] Planner: that sorry for that

[1:51:40] Trustee Rogers: okay so that's fine so why don't we do this why don't we have the staff

[1:51:44] Trustee Rogers: report and then we'll have the short presentation and then perhaps then trustee Rockefeller and I

[1:51:52] Trustee Rogers: can ask questions and both you and the applicant and we'll have that conversation before we then

[1:52:01] Trustee Rogers: then after we've done all of that and then and when we do that we'll uh and then we'll um uh

[1:52:07] Trustee Rogers: we'll go into our our consultation and discussion about where to go we'll come back to you so why

[1:52:12] Trustee Rogers: don't you over to you planners yeah

[1:52:14] Planner: so i'm going to share my screen if that's okay chair rogers

[1:52:17] Planner: and walk through a few things here take a few minutes please

[1:52:20] Trustee Rogers: do and by the way for anybody

[1:52:22] Trustee Rogers: watching we're on page 15 of the agenda package thanks i'm just going to mute and let you go

[1:52:27] Trustee Rogers: ahead so

[1:52:30] Voice 14: you

[1:52:32] Planner: should be able to see the staff report there i just need to find my mouse here

[1:52:41] Planner: so um today uh bringing back the giggers application to uh trust committee for

[1:52:48] Planner: um their consideration with a number of recommendations as you can see in front

[1:52:54] Planner: of you here bringing back the island's trust policy statement with the recommendation

[1:52:58] Planner: That is not contrary or variance to the the application is not contrary variance to the trust policy statement seeking legal opinion on the updated rent structure proposal by the applicant direction around a cost recovery agreement for continued

[1:53:18] Planner: work on the housing agreement.

[1:53:20] Planner: in the Section 219 Covenant, which is well advanced now,

[1:53:23] Planner: and also bringing back the arborist report

[1:53:29] Planner: and seeking LTC's direction around including recommendations

[1:53:35] Planner: of that report in the Section 219 Covenant

[1:53:39] Planner: that's already been drafted.

[1:53:42] Planner: So we're all familiar with the background.

[1:53:46] Planner: ground. I just want to point out that there's a lot of concern in the community that progress

[1:53:53] Planner: isn't being made. I think today we're bringing a number of items forward that have been

[1:53:58] Planner: things that we have been working on, including drafting the section 219 covenant, which is now

[1:54:06] Planner: completed by legal counsel and reviewed by the applicant and brought forward to LTC for

[1:54:12] Planner: consideration um continuing work on the housing agreement which i'll talk to the most uh today

[1:54:17] Planner: i'd like to uh clarify where we're at with that for ltc and provide some of the history and uh

[1:54:23] Planner: where we need to get to um and that's tied to the rent structure piece uh the arborist report is in

[1:54:32] Planner: front of you as i talked about uh the data logger study which uh ltc uh directed the applicant to

[1:54:38] Planner: undertake and i think uh in in staff's view a really important piece to uh provide further

[1:54:46] Planner: comfort and clarification that the uh the well test uh completed previously um is is uh accurate

[1:54:55] Planner: or and and a reasonable measure of water supply and that data logger study did that and also uh

[1:55:01] Planner: ongoing development of a water management plan which is uh really improved uh from the last

[1:55:07] Planner: last version to this one and I think that's getting much closer to uh to reaching completion

[1:55:12] Planner: so just moving into the trust policy statement um I must admit it's one of my my difficult uh tasks

[1:55:21] Planner: in this job I think is interpreting the trust policy statement and and and how it's brought

[1:55:26] Planner: forward at this time with a uh a measure of consistency with the trust policy statements

[1:55:33] Planner: Typically it's brought forward when applications are being recommended for first reading but as you are aware trustees move forward with first reading despite no recommendation from staff to do so and so that's why the trust policy statement is being caught up.

[1:55:51] Planner: uh in um so table one here provides uh staff's uh perspective on trust policy statements that

[1:56:00] Planner: are of relevance and the staff comments provide some rationale as to why uh staff deem uh it to

[1:56:08] Planner: be consistent uh including and probably most importantly uh holding this back before would

[1:56:13] Planner: have been uh the components around fresh water with 4.4.2 and um you know the the rationale

[1:56:21] Planner: uh with the the data logger study the the well test you know the the reviews by the provincial

[1:56:28] Planner: experts the the issuance of a water license and uh and further protections through covenant and

[1:56:33] Planner: the water management plan uh you know um so that's there for for trustees to consider

[1:56:41] Planner: it's uh there's i'm sure there's many opinions out there uh as to uh other aspects which may

[1:56:50] Planner: may not be consistent but uh this is what staff is bringing forward at this time and ltc can

[1:56:56] Planner: can have that discussion i'd like to just uh reserve talking about the housing agreement

[1:57:02] Planner: and rental structure and i'll just work through the other components because they'll be quick

[1:57:06] Planner: the section 219 covenant is uh is in the attachments that has been worked on so staff

[1:57:14] Planner: worked with the applicant to come to a generally agreed upon list of conditions based on the

[1:57:22] Planner: direction by ltc to include the various reports and and other items that's that is captured in

[1:57:29] Planner: the staff report here more or less there's agreement between the applicant and staff

[1:57:35] Planner: as to the language in that covenant other than that specific condition around no

[1:57:44] Planner: allowance of groundwater for irrigation so as we've talked about previously legal counsel

[1:57:50] Planner: Council views that to be a legal clause and it's really in LTC's hands if they decide

[1:58:00] Planner: to include that or not.

[1:58:02] Planner: The data logger study report has been submitted by the professional hydrogeologist and generally

[1:58:13] Planner: concludes that the findings of the pump test were consistent with the results of the data

[1:58:20] Planner: a logger work and and identifies no further work or makes any other specific recommendations

[1:58:29] Planner: going forward with respect to water like I talked about the water management plan

[1:58:36] Planner: staff including the freshwater specialists have provided considerable comments on their previous

[1:58:42] Planner: draft they've provided this draft last week then we have obviously have not had a time to do a

[1:58:49] Planner: detailed review of that yet that would be our next step but in general it's the the various pieces

[1:58:56] Planner: that staff are looking for are included in it so you can provide any comment on on that work

[1:59:05] Planner: at this time or you'll get another opportunity with a more finalized draft and staff would be

[1:59:12] Planner: seeking direction around covenant conditions at that time in a future report. Similar to the

[1:59:19] Planner: arborist report LTC, well the ecological assessment provided a recommendation around tree protection

[1:59:28] Planner: and the need for an arborist to do an assessment and so the applicant has now done that work and

[1:59:34] Planner: they have provided the report that's in the attachments and it provides some specific

[1:59:40] Planner: recommendations around tree protection as well as some more general recommendations, and so LTC staff are recommending that LTC should include those recommendations in the draft covenants.

[1:59:57] Planner: That's all I'll talk about there.

[2:00:00] Planner: except going back up to the housing agreement

[2:00:04] Planner: and rental structure update.

[2:00:06] Planner: So up to now, as you're aware,

[2:00:09] Planner: the proposal has been based on the BC Housing,

[2:00:13] Planner: Community Housing Fund program

[2:00:15] Planner: with the rental formula being 30% deep subsidy,

[2:00:20] Planner: 50% rent geared to income,

[2:00:22] Planner: and the remainder being, or sorry,

[2:00:26] Planner: 20% deep subsidy, 50% rent geared to income,

[2:00:29] Planner: come and the 30% remainder being allowed to be rented as market units. Staff, so just bear with

[2:00:41] Planner: me, I'm going to jump around a little bit here in documents. So staff were asked by the LTC to,

[2:00:50] Planner: well, obviously, we need to consider the rezoning proposal in respect of the policies of the OCP.

[2:00:57] Planner: And so, two of the key policies here that we're looking at here, one and two, with respect to affordability and rent structure.

[2:01:08] Planner: So, the 2050-30 BC housing formula, staff sought legal opinion or legal advice on the consistency of that rent structure with these.

[2:01:25] Planner: and generally as reported in a previous staff report that was deemed to be consistent with the

[2:01:33] Planner: OCP as a whole and so that's just a bit of context there what I also want to

[2:01:43] Planner: so based on this specific formula staff brought to local trust committee in March 1st I'll bring

[2:01:55] Planner: up that staff report here so on march 1st of 2021 uh so going back a little bit further and i think

[2:02:04] Planner: this is helpful context for everyone uh in january uh there there was an islands up an original

[2:02:10] Planner: islands trust housing agreement template from from many years ago that was the starting point

[2:02:16] Planner: of discussion with the applicant around a housing agreement staff provided the applicant that and

[2:02:23] Planner: and the applicant marked up that draft

[2:02:25] Planner: and it's evolved to more or less be the draft

[2:02:28] Planner: that they've submitted now.

[2:02:33] Planner: So in March, staff brought to LTC terms

[2:02:43] Planner: or proposed terms of a housing agreement

[2:02:47] Planner: seeking direction to draft a housing agreement

[2:02:51] Planner: based on those terms.

[2:02:56] Planner: Page seven, page seven.

[2:03:00] Planner: So that list of terms, that table here, proposed terms and conditions,

[2:03:10] Planner: it clearly articulates a rent or rate structure table that is consistent with the BC housing formula.

[2:03:18] Planner: And it talks about the qualified renter clause.

[2:03:22] Planner: So this language now is what they're seeking to use.

[2:03:25] Planner: But to clarify a rent structure table was provided at that time, and just bearing with me again here so we go to 36 of that. So this is the housing agreement that was included in the attachment of that staff report, and the definition of qualified

[2:03:45] Planner: renter in there is means a household which meets the eligibility criteria for residential tendency of a rental unit as set out in section 2.2.

[2:03:54] Planner: And so if we move down to Section 2.2, I just want to point out that it speaks to B, the qualified renter's annual income at the time of signing the tenancy agreement does not exceed.

[2:04:06] Planner: So there's a specific maximum rental described and further to that under the rental rates.

[2:04:13] Planner: It's either not charge a tenant a maximum monthly rent or an alternate wording to not allow or to have a schedule B, which is a rental rate structure.

[2:04:25] Planner: And so in our original template provided to the applicant, there was this rental rate structure included.

[2:04:34] Planner: and so that is some historical context when we got approval from or when staff got approval to

[2:04:44] Planner: move forward with this direction from ltc when we directed the uh the the draft that the applicant

[2:04:51] Planner: was seeking to use that didn't include all of this uh rental structure table language the

[2:04:57] Planner: The legal counsel came back to a staff and said, this is not consistent with that 2050-30 formula.

[2:05:07] Planner: It is much more enabling.

[2:05:09] Planner: And so they came back with a draft that is now captured in our staff report.

[2:05:16] Planner: And let me move away from here.

[2:05:18] Planner: It is now captured in our staff report.

[2:05:20] Planner: So, the crux of the rental rate structure in that draft template is what's included in the staff report, which is very specific and structured to the 2050-30 framework.

[2:05:37] Planner: So that is where staff have been since June, trying to move the housing agreement forward, but with the position or the place that your housing agreement proposal needs to be consistent with the broader proposal of rezoning.

[2:06:07] Planner: And so now the applicant has provided this letter, this updated letter seeking to not just be proposing the 2050-30 rental structure, but to be instead seeking this clause, which is not charge any tenant a monthly rent, exclusive utilities that is greater than 30%.

[2:06:32] Planner: So the language back in the original rental agreement, but with a different agreement attached to it.

[2:06:40] Planner: And so I just want to walk through that.

[2:06:43] Planner: So staff are still challenged with this and how they've structured their housing agreement that they want to go forward with.

[2:06:54] Planner: I think where we're at with, and I'm going to walk through that in a second,

[2:06:58] Planner: But I think the decision points for LTC at this point are, one, do they want to proceed with this rent structure as proposed?

[2:07:10] Planner: If they do, is that rent structure consistent with the OCP?

[2:07:15] Planner: And if they do decide to proceed, staff recommend that they ask legal counsel to look at that.

[2:07:24] Planner: But just bear with me for one other second here.

[2:07:27] Planner: I'm just gonna walk through then

[2:07:28] Planner: how their proposed housing agreement works.

[2:07:33] Planner: So I'm going to go to page 35.

[2:07:44] Planner: So this is what they're proposing for rental rate.

[2:07:47] Planner: So as we just saw that the not charge,

[2:07:50] Planner: any tenant a monthly rate that is greater

[2:07:53] Planner: than 30 spent of the gross monthly income

[2:07:54] Planner: of a qualified renter.

[2:07:56] Planner: So it's then tied to that qualified renter term.

[2:07:59] Planner: So then we need to go to the top of page 34

[2:08:03] Planner: for to look at what a qualified renter means so qualified renter means a person who meets

[2:08:08] Planner: the eligibility for a criteria set out in schedule b and uh in section 2.2 so if we go to schedule b

[2:08:21] Planner: which is a schedule that the applicant inserted in their original uh draft it did it was not

[2:08:30] Planner: Not included in the original Islands Trust template at all, this eligibility criteria.

[2:08:35] Planner: The only schedule was the rent structure.

[2:08:38] Planner: And so this eligibility criteria is more based on place and location of where that applicant is coming from.

[2:08:47] Planner: So not really relevant to rent structure.

[2:08:50] Planner: So we then go back to 34,

[2:08:53] Voice 10: qualified renter.

[2:08:56] Planner: And so then we need to go to section 2.2, which then speaks to this clause, the household's annual income meets the criteria specified by an affordable housing funder.

[2:09:09] Planner: So then we need to go to the definition of affordable housing funder.

[2:09:12] Planner: we're getting to the end here affordable housing funder means an entity such as bc housing or

[2:09:20] Planner: canadian mortgage and housing corporation that provides a grant or preferential rent loan

[2:09:24] Planner: to support the development of affordable housing units on the lands so as that reads that could be

[2:09:30] Planner: any organization that provides a grant or preferential rent loan could then be deemed

[2:09:35] Planner: an affordable housing funder and would have the ability to assign the rent structure

[2:09:40] Planner: sure that's the end of my uh presentation okay

[2:09:48] Trustee Rogers: sorry that was a little abrupt so i was

[2:09:51] Trustee Rogers: still waiting for a little bit

[2:09:53] Planner: i didn't yeah yeah that's

[2:09:55] Planner: the kind of the end of my sequence of

[2:09:57] Planner: of how i

[2:09:58] Planner: see uh challenges continue to persist with moving that housing agreement forward

[2:10:04] Planner: and and the other decision i think for ltc as to whether uh you direct if you decide to proceed

[2:10:11] Planner: And if it's deemed consistent with the OCP, do you want to proceed with their template or do you want to proceed down the road with the updated Young Anderson template that they provided that the applicant has reviewed?

[2:10:25] Planner: Their main concern was around rent structure.

[2:10:27] Planner: They have a few other concerns that they flagged, but probably aren't concerns that we could not work through.

[2:10:32] Planner: But the key piece still, after all these months, is this component of rent structure and ensuring affordability.

[2:10:41] Trustee Rogers: Okay. So, yeah.

[2:10:43] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[2:10:43] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Rockefeller, before we turn to Ms. Gibson or the applicant.

[2:10:47] Voice 20: I was just wondering, do you think we could just ask quick, minor questions right now because the presentation is still fresh in my head?

[2:10:55] Voice 5: Okay.

[2:10:55] Voice 5: So

[2:10:56] Voice 20: I was just wondering, you mentioned the 20, 30, 50, 30 rent proposal structure from the original housing agreement.

[2:11:06] Voice 20: And I was wondering, is that still in play then? Any portion of those percentages?

[2:11:12] Voice 15: Or

[2:11:12] Voice 20: did your terrace mention 70, 30? I didn't see any percentages, so I was just curious.

[2:11:17] Voice 20: so

[2:11:19] Planner: there's no rental structure or number of units assigned to type in their proposed housing

[2:11:28] Planner: agreement the only or the own what i just the pathway that just followed through uh would allow

[2:11:35] Planner: the affordable housing funder to determine uh what the breakdown of rent structure is as long

[2:11:43] Planner: long as it was 30 of gross income of that renter but it

[2:11:49] Voice 20: doesn't it doesn't assign

[2:11:50] Planner: a maximum income

[2:11:51] Planner: the

[2:11:52] Voice 20: 70 30 then is not the

[2:11:55] Planner: 70 30 would no longer be explicit okay

[2:11:58] Voice 20: thank you yeah

[2:11:59] Trustee Rogers: yeah and so

[2:12:01] Trustee Rogers: that's my understanding of where and and to be fair to the to the app not that we're not

[2:12:09] Trustee Rogers: elsewhere but i as i understand the dynamic that led us to this place is the applicant put a

[2:12:15] Trustee Rogers: proposal in we're going to hear and maybe we'll let um the applicant speak to this the the trust

[2:12:23] Trustee Rogers: we came up from the trust with the proposed they didn't like it we you and i both saw letters from

[2:12:29] Trustee Rogers: their lawyer etc about the proposal um and and that draft that came from the trust included those

[2:12:39] Trustee Rogers: percentages in them and and uh so there's two different versions out there and my understanding

[2:12:47] Trustee Rogers: is from talking to the planner is while there are some other peripheral issues and i'll let the

[2:12:54] Trustee Rogers: applicant tell us if there's more than peripheral issues the main issue is how to how to define the

[2:13:00] Trustee Rogers: rent structure and the qualified renter uh and so their drop doesn't have any percentages in it that

[2:13:06] Trustee Rogers: as I understand it, and except for 30% of income and the trust draft that we're still working,

[2:13:15] Trustee Rogers: that the staff is still proposing, although it's not in front of us today specifically.

[2:13:21] Trustee Rogers: And so the applicants coming to the local trust committee and saying, look, we've been unable to

[2:13:27] Trustee Rogers: resolve this as I understand it with the staff. So we're asking you to consider our template as

[2:13:34] Trustee Rogers: the one you you can move forward is that clear that's

[2:13:38] Planner: correct and and uh while the the the

[2:13:42] Planner: alternative housing agreement is in front isn't in front of you the rent or rate structure is on page

[2:13:49] Planner: 18 of the staff report right

[2:13:51] Trustee Rogers: and that was the one that came from so you go ahead trustee rocket

[2:13:54] Trustee Rogers: public oh

[2:13:55] Voice 20: but that original rent structure that's shown in the sample in the staff report that was

[2:13:59] Voice 20: was originally part of the proposal from Giger we didn't have to

[2:14:04] Voice 20: make it up right then

[2:14:05] Planner: the proposal

[2:14:06] Planner: was always based up to now from staff's perspective because we've been seeking

[2:14:12] Planner: if your your broader proposal has all been framed very specifically on this number of

[2:14:18] Planner: units is this and this number of units is that um based on that formula um all of your other

[2:14:27] Planner: proposal framework is that your housing agreement needs to reflect that as well and that's not a

[2:14:34] Planner: staff perspective that's driven by legal counsel

[2:14:37] Voice 20: thank you okay

[2:14:40] Trustee Rogers: so let's turn it over to the

[2:14:42] Trustee Rogers: applicant and then we can actually have this conversation three ways or two way and as opposed

[2:14:48] Trustee Rogers: to just amongst ourselves hello nice to see you Ms. Gavreau, Ms. Gibson I don't know I think you're

[2:14:56] Trustee Rogers: to do a small presentation and it or short presentation i shouldn't say small a short

[2:15:01] Trustee Rogers: presentation and um i guess at some point you should address the four recommendations of the

[2:15:09] Trustee Rogers: the staff report as well as to your perspective on that but i understand you want to talk to us about

[2:15:17] Trustee Rogers: the rental structure yeah

[2:15:19] Voice 1: thank you chair rogers and um if i'm able to i'm just going to share my

[2:15:23] Voice 1: screen. I have a few slides to share. Can everybody see that okay? I'll just do

[2:15:30] Voice 1: presentation mode. So thank you again for having us today. My name is Eleni and I

[2:15:37] Voice 1: work for Wiser Projects. We're development consultants who mostly work

[2:15:41] Voice 1: on affordable housing projects and we're working with Giggers on their Georgia

[2:15:45] Voice 1: View affordable housing project. And so today I just wanted to briefly clarify

[2:15:52] Voice 1: clarify some of this discussion about rental structures and affordability and how that

[2:15:56] Voice 1: relates to the housing agreement because it's been an ongoing discussion back and forth

[2:16:02] Voice 1: between Giggers and the Islands Trust, both staff and the LTC.

[2:16:05] Voice 1: So hopefully this presentation will just help clarify some of our position and why the latest

[2:16:12] Voice 1: draft that Giggers submitted in January and had been submitted previously in November

[2:16:17] Voice 1: 2021 why that fits with our goals and gives us the flexibility to seek out a

[2:16:24] Voice 1: variety of funding options for the project I'll just I won't get into this

[2:16:30] Voice 1: too much since it was covered by Brad Smith's presentations just wanted to

[2:16:36] Voice 1: clarify that we've been working behind the scenes on lots of technical pieces

[2:16:39] Voice 1: of the rezoning application and we think have submitted sort of all of the

[2:16:44] Voice 1: outstanding technical pieces that have been asked of us for the rezoning

[2:16:47] Voice 1: application so our hope is that this work will help move the application forward and we've also

[2:16:53] Voice 1: been exploring different funding and financing options which i'll get into now but before i get

[2:16:59] Voice 1: too far into that i just want to set the context a little bit i think everybody is familiar with this

[2:17:05] Voice 1: affordability crisis and housing crisis as i heard during the town hall

[2:17:09] Voice 1: but i think it's important to keep this in mind as we think about this rezoning and about the

[2:17:14] Voice 1: rental structure so as we all know the housing crisis has reached new heights recently the gulf

[2:17:20] Voice 1: island home price values have increased by over 30 35 over the past year which reflects what's

[2:17:27] Voice 1: happened in a lot of the southern coast of bc the application for this rezoning was originally

[2:17:32] Voice 1: submitted in 2019 and just in the two sort of year and a half two years since then the cost of

[2:17:39] Voice 1: construction has increased substantially and it remains really volatile and that makes it hard to

[2:17:44] Voice 1: predict actually what the capital costs of the project are going to be but it also means that

[2:17:49] Voice 1: the capital costs of the project have been increasing over time since then the same goes

[2:17:55] Voice 1: for interest rates as those have such a huge impact on the mortgage and on those loan repayments

[2:18:01] Voice 1: interest rates have been low recently but with the housing crisis the way it is it could be expected

[2:18:07] Voice 1: that they might increase substantially in the near future so any any kind of delays also contribute

[2:18:13] Voice 1: to uncertainty of the financial future of the project from those interest rates.

[2:18:20] Voice 1: The funding context is also really important to understand.

[2:18:23] Voice 1: There was a bit of discussion about this earlier, but as the trustees have mentioned,

[2:18:28] Voice 1: originally this application was submitted with the Community Housing Fund or CHF in mind,

[2:18:35] Voice 1: which is a funding program through BC Housing, which offers a massive sort of capital injection into projects as well as a takeout mortgage.

[2:18:43] Voice 1: mortgage. This program is hugely oversubscribed. However, the last funding call, which closed

[2:18:49] Voice 1: in January 2021, less than a fifth of the units that were applied for on Vancouver Island

[2:18:55] Voice 1: were actually funded. So the majority of units that there was a need for in 2021 that applied

[2:19:04] Voice 1: for funding, those projects are likely have likely not been built. And so the next funding

[2:19:10] Voice 1: call which we're expecting either this year or next there's going to be an even bigger built-up

[2:19:15] Voice 1: demand for this funding call we also don't know what exactly it's going to look like

[2:19:20] Voice 1: this funding call is where that 50 30 20 split comes from where 50 of the units would be rent

[2:19:26] Voice 1: geared to income 20 would be deeply subsidized shelter rate units and 30 would be market units

[2:19:32] Voice 1: or just below market units um however it's possible that the next funding call might have

[2:19:38] Voice 1: a different rental structure and i just want to note that because of that it does make it risky

[2:19:44] Voice 1: to put into a housing agreement that we will have the 50 30 20 split because it could change even

[2:19:52] Voice 1: based on this funder who had originally prescribed that so i'll get a little bit more into the risks

[2:19:57] Voice 1: of that a bit later but that's important to note it's also important to note that bc housing

[2:20:03] Voice 1: typically likes larger projects of sort of 50 units or more just because they get the economy

[2:20:09] Voice 1: of scale each dollar spent sort of goes farther in creating more affordable

[2:20:13] Voice 1: housing units compared to smaller and more rural projects and I don't want to

[2:20:18] Voice 1: say that this funding call is completely out of the realm of possibility for a

[2:20:22] Voice 1: project like Giggers we may decide to apply for this when the funding call

[2:20:26] Voice 1: opens but I want to make it clear that it's it's not a surefire way that this

[2:20:31] Voice 1: project would get funded and so tying any expectations about affordability to

[2:20:36] Voice 1: to the specific requirements of CHF don't really make sense

[2:20:39] Voice 1: and can put the project at risk.

[2:20:42] Voice 1: So as I mentioned, we've been exploring other options

[2:20:45] Voice 1: based on the uncertainty of BC Housing,

[2:20:47] Voice 1: one of which is CMHC,

[2:20:49] Voice 1: the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation.

[2:20:52] Voice 1: They have a co-investment fund

[2:20:54] Voice 1: that can provide substantial loans and grants for projects

[2:20:58] Voice 1: if they have a partnership that has invested in the project.

[2:21:02] Voice 1: And because Giggers has a land contribution secured,

[2:21:04] Voice 1: that makes them eligible for this program. So they have two streams. One is a repayable loan.

[2:21:11] Voice 1: So just a loan that covers up to 95% of project costs, or they also have a forgivable loan. So

[2:21:17] Voice 1: essentially just a grant, which would cover up to 15% of project costs. And CMHC has their own

[2:21:24] Voice 1: affordability targets and sort of minimum levels to be eligible. And for this program, it's that

[2:21:32] Voice 1: that 30% of the units must be rented at 80% of the median market rent, so the average rent

[2:21:37] Voice 1: or less, and the average affordability across the entire project must be 80% of the median market

[2:21:43] Voice 1: rent. So this could look like all of the units being rented at 80% of whatever the median market

[2:21:50] Voice 1: rent is for the unit size, or it could mean that 30% of the units are more deeply affordable and

[2:21:57] Voice 1: the other 70% are closer to market rates. And it could be anywhere within that spectrum as long as

[2:22:02] Voice 1: it's meeting those requirements. It's also important to note that while those

[2:22:07] Voice 1: are the minimum requirements, projects are much more likely to actually receive

[2:22:11] Voice 1: funding and will receive a higher portion of their requested funding if

[2:22:15] Voice 1: the level of affordability is increased. So there's a pretty big incentive to go

[2:22:19] Voice 1: beyond that minimum of 30% of units and 80% of the MMR, but that's sort of used

[2:22:25] Voice 1: as a baseline of affordability. One of the other options we're exploring, which

[2:22:31] Voice 1: which won't fund the entire project,

[2:22:33] Voice 1: but could contribute a substantial portion of the capital

[2:22:36] Voice 1: is the Green Municipal Fund,

[2:22:39] Voice 1: which is offered through the Federation

[2:22:40] Voice 1: of Canadian Municipalities.

[2:22:43] Voice 1: So the funding goal is for sustainable affordable housing

[2:22:47] Voice 1: and for projects that are targeting net zero energy ready,

[2:22:51] Voice 1: which basically means that with the input

[2:22:54] Voice 1: of some kind of renewable energy like solar,

[2:22:57] Voice 1: the projects would be net zero,

[2:22:58] Voice 1: zero, meaning that they create as much energy as they use.

[2:23:02] Voice 1: And it's one of the highest standards of energy efficiency and a pretty common one that's

[2:23:06] Voice 1: used right now.

[2:23:09] Voice 1: And so there's funding available to study the feasibility of achieving net zero ready

[2:23:13] Voice 1: of a project.

[2:23:14] Voice 1: And if that study is positive and it shows that the project could be built to those standards,

[2:23:19] Voice 1: then projects can apply for capital funding that can apply for up to 20% of the total

[2:23:24] Voice 1: project costs.

[2:23:25] Voice 1: and this contribution is split between a loan and a grant 50-50 so essentially

[2:23:31] Voice 1: 10% of the project would be covered through a grant and 10% of the total

[2:23:36] Voice 1: project would be covered through a loan. I believe the affordability requirements

[2:23:40] Voice 1: for this program are the same as CMHC as both of these are funding under sort of

[2:23:46] Voice 1: federal funding programs through the National Housing Strategy. So where does

[2:23:52] Voice 1: us bring us with the affordability of the Georgia View project? So we internally for our financial

[2:23:59] Voice 1: analysis have been using the CMHC definition as a baseline where 30% of the units have to be 80%

[2:24:05] Voice 1: of MMR and the average affordability across the project has to be 80% of the MMR. However,

[2:24:12] Voice 1: as was discussed by staff and LTC just prior to this, the language in the housing agreement

[2:24:18] Voice 1: is related to income rather than median market rent and so it talks about not

[2:24:26] Voice 1: charging more than 30% of gross monthly household income of a qualified renter

[2:24:31] Voice 1: aside from the any market units in the project so this is it would be the

[2:24:36] Voice 1: actual legal mechanism for securing affordability and we know that these are

[2:24:41] Voice 1: two different mechanisms that seem quite different and they are because one is

[2:24:45] Voice 1: tied to income and one is tied to median market rent but these two analyses can be overlapped

[2:24:51] Voice 1: and they don't necessarily contradict they kind of layer onto each other

[2:24:55] Voice 1: both mechanisms are also broad enough to satisfy most funder requirements so for example um bc

[2:25:04] Voice 1: housing has a more stringent um affordability requirement so if we applied for chf and were

[2:25:09] Voice 1: successful, we'd have that 50-30-20 breakdown, but those parameters are actually more stringent

[2:25:17] Voice 1: than either having 30% of the gross monthly income as the limit for affordable units,

[2:25:25] Voice 1: and that would also easily mean that 30% of units must be 80% of MMR or less.

[2:25:32] Voice 1: So the idea is to ensure that we are securing affordability through the housing agreement

[2:25:37] Voice 1: and making sure that a minimum number of units are affordable and that residents

[2:25:42] Voice 1: of affordable units are paying an affordable price but leaving it open

[2:25:47] Voice 1: enough that any any sort of funding pot that are available to Giggers can be

[2:25:53] Voice 1: pursued so just as a way to wrap up Giggers is committed to maximizing the

[2:26:00] Voice 1: affordability of the project the 50 30 20 split is really only achievable in

[2:26:07] Voice 1: in the current sort of climate of development

[2:26:11] Voice 1: and housing construction with that capital injection

[2:26:13] Voice 1: that BC Housing brings.

[2:26:15] Voice 1: And so if BC Housing comes to the table,

[2:26:18] Voice 1: that affordability will be secured

[2:26:20] Voice 1: and there'll be an agreement with BC Housing

[2:26:22] Voice 1: that secures that.

[2:26:23] Voice 1: However, in order to apply for funding

[2:26:27] Voice 1: and be considered by those major funders,

[2:26:30] Voice 1: projects need to have a certain amount of flexibility

[2:26:33] Voice 1: to show that they have sort of the financial foresight

[2:26:37] Voice 1: to have a viable project. And so locking in a really strict rental structure at this stage

[2:26:42] Voice 1: before funding is committed is not really possible and might exclude funding opportunities in the

[2:26:48] Voice 1: future. How this ties into the rezoning and the housing agreement is that securing a rezoning

[2:26:54] Voice 1: will really help strengthen any funding applications to BC Housing, to CMHC, to the

[2:26:59] Voice 1: Green Municipal Fund. Not having a rezoning is seen as a risk because the rezoning could ultimately

[2:27:04] Voice 1: fail and that means that the project can't move forward so rezoning is a

[2:27:09] Voice 1: major major checkmark in the boxes for for funding partners they see that as a

[2:27:15] Voice 1: huge step forward for projects and so having that rezoning secured to move

[2:27:20] Voice 1: forward with CMHC or BC housing funding call opens in the next year that'll make

[2:27:27] Voice 1: the project more viable for those funding options and I think planner

[2:27:32] Voice 1: Connor Smith covered this in his presentation,

[2:27:34] Voice 1: but I hope that it's clear that we've been working

[2:27:37] Voice 1: with staff to ensure that regardless of the project funder,

[2:27:40] Voice 1: the site is being developed responsibly.

[2:27:43] Voice 1: We're trying to meet all of the requirements.

[2:27:45] Voice 1: We are meeting all the requirements for water,

[2:27:48] Voice 1: for environmental considerations, septic,

[2:27:51] Voice 1: all of the technical pieces,

[2:27:53] Voice 1: I think that we've worked out quite responsibly.

[2:27:56] Voice 1: So now all that's left is to secure the affordability

[2:27:59] Voice 1: through a housing agreement

[2:28:00] Voice 1: that works for both Islands Trust and for Giggers,

[2:28:03] Voice 1: and hopefully move forward with this rezoning application.

[2:28:08] Voice 1: So that's all I have.

[2:28:10] Voice 1: And I'm not sure if Colleen or Lisa

[2:28:13] Voice 1: want to just add anything that I missed,

[2:28:15] Voice 1: but hopefully that helps clear things up

[2:28:17] Voice 1: for the LDC in their consideration of this.

[2:28:26] Trustee Rogers: Ms. Gavreau, do you wish to add anything?

[2:28:29] Trustee Rogers: I do have some questions

[2:28:30] Trustee Rogers: and I'm guessing Trustee Rockefeller might have some.

[2:28:33] Trustee Rogers: You don't want to add anything, Lisa?

[2:28:35] Trustee Rogers: no okay so questions because i have a few thanks go for you go ahead trust you

[2:28:44] Trustee Rogers: thanks

[2:28:46] Voice 20: yeah i just had a two a couple notes on that presentation i appreciate the application

[2:28:52] Voice 20: was submitted in 2019 but the applicants did put it in a self-requested seven month abeyance

[2:28:58] Voice 20: so that's good to include that um the you mentioned that there's a 35 increase in home

[2:29:04] Voice 20: price values. And I'm concerned what that would mean for market value rents. In your statement

[2:29:10] Voice 20: in the agenda package, you included that the housing crisis has reached such heights that

[2:29:15] Voice 20: even market rental units would be a benefit to the Galliano community. I agree. But what do those

[2:29:21] Voice 20: values look like in the future? And I think the LTC and communities opportunity right now is to

[2:29:26] Voice 20: ensure that residents can live on Galliano within their means. And this relies on the housing

[2:29:31] Voice 20: agreement mandating affordability in its document which i don't really see right now yeah thanks

[2:29:39] Voice 1: thanks for those comments trustee rockefeller um so a couple things the the increase in uh sales

[2:29:45] Voice 1: price of homes has an indirect impact on uh median market rents and on rental rates um as folks

[2:29:52] Voice 1: purchase houses at those higher purchase prices the mortgages are larger and so any rental units

[2:29:59] Voice 1: like secondary

[2:30:00] Voice 1: rental units that could potentially increase the rates that those are rented at and you're right

[2:30:05] Voice 1: in the uh in the letter that we had submitted we uh commented that even market rental units would

[2:30:11] Voice 1: be valuable to the community i think we we added that language not to say that this project should

[2:30:17] Voice 1: be a market rental project but just to to draw the comparison or to make the point that there's

[2:30:24] Voice 1: such a lack of of housing and secured rental housing on the island um that anything being

[2:30:30] Voice 1: built is valuable and this project will go above and beyond market rental units because there will

[2:30:35] Voice 1: be a housing agreement what you know whatever we settle on there will be affordability built into

[2:30:40] Voice 1: the project um it's a bit of a chicken and an egg and i understand that it's difficult for the

[2:30:46] Voice 1: islands for the ltc to approve a housing agreement without sort of um stricter controls on rentals

[2:30:55] Voice 1: but it's hard for GIGRs to commit to those before funding is secured but I

[2:31:00] Voice 1: would just want to reiterate the commitment of GIGRs of having the

[2:31:03] Voice 1: deepest level of affordability that's financially possible and that we believe

[2:31:09] Voice 1: that how we've proposed this latest draft of the housing agreement by tying

[2:31:13] Voice 1: the affordability to the incomes of residents that that makes sure that it's

[2:31:18] Voice 1: affordable for folks living in the housing project but

[2:31:22] Voice 20: I didn't see any cap

[2:31:23] Voice 20: on the income of residents as opposed to the original housing agreement which had the hills

[2:31:28] Voice 20: like the income level by CMHC or BC Housing. I didn't see any caps so if someone made two

[2:31:34] Voice 20: million dollars a year they could just pay 30 percent of their income.

[2:31:40] Voice 1: Yeah that that is a

[2:31:42] Voice 1: really valid point. Colleen or Lisa I don't know if you have any comments on that if if we've

[2:31:49] Voice 1: discussed having income limits included in that we

[2:31:58] Voice 12: haven't really we sort of uh this project is

[2:32:00] Voice 12: meant for um to be affordable housing for um lower and moderate income sorry i'm not a little nervous

[2:32:10] Voice 12: um it's the project's meant for those in in our community that are already low and

[2:32:16] Voice 12: and moderate income that, you know, the median income in Galliano is already 10% lower than it

[2:32:24] Voice 12: is, I think, nationally or provincially. And we're struggling on the island to find housing for

[2:32:30] Voice 12: people. I'm not sure these million people who make a million dollars a year, like, where are they?

[2:32:36] Voice 12: The people buying the houses

[2:32:38] Voice 20: on the island, right? We have to ensure because when you have pressure

[2:32:41] Voice 20: pressure from people of wealth and elite you're going to see that come down it's going to come

[2:32:46] Voice 20: down the pipe for everybody so if we don't tie in some kind of income limit to the dwellings then

[2:32:53] Voice 20: how do we ensure that this doesn't turn into just a market value condo rent i know that giggers has

[2:32:58] Voice 20: good intentions and i absolutely respect and support every one of the volunteers but it's my

[2:33:04] Voice 20: most important to make sure that we can have a diverse community and i don't feel comfortable

[2:33:09] Voice 20: not tying that to income limits so and you

[2:33:17] Voice 1: know maybe maybe this is a direction

[2:33:19] Voice 1: that we could move forward in in our discussions on this but I had offered

[2:33:24] Voice 1: the CMHC sort of as a baseline of affordability and that ties it to the

[2:33:30] Voice 1: median market rent and not to incomes so that's that's just an alternative that

[2:33:34] Voice 1: all I could throw for consideration this

[2:33:36] Voice 20: is true but then in the housing

[2:33:39] Voice 20: essential housing agreement it defines affordable housing funder as being just any entity

[2:33:44] Voice 20: and use the example of the CMHC or the BCH but I'd like to see something a little more clear

[2:33:56] Voice 1: yeah we can we can take that into account and bring that back and think about it

[2:34:02] Trustee Rogers: anything further trustee Rockefeller I mean we can talk about some of the other issues related to

[2:34:10] Trustee Rogers: to the trust policy statement and the arborist report

[2:34:14] Trustee Rogers: and the water study in a moment,

[2:34:17] Trustee Rogers: but we're just on the while you've got the applicant

[2:34:19] Trustee Rogers: and you're asking questions before I jump in.

[2:34:22] Voice 20: No, I think that, I mean,

[2:34:24] Voice 20: I really appreciate every single thing

[2:34:25] Voice 20: that the applicant has done and the reports look great

[2:34:29] Voice 20: and super happy to see them.

[2:34:31] Voice 20: This is just a real sticking point for me

[2:34:33] Voice 20: to maintain affordability on Galliano.

[2:34:35] Voice 20: know

[2:34:36] Voice 16: so

[2:34:39] Trustee Rogers: i have um sort of a similar comment and a question for you and whoever wants to answer it

[2:34:48] Trustee Rogers: for me but it's it sort of ends up in the same place but i just want to put a little context

[2:34:52] Trustee Rogers: around it if i could uh thank you for your correspondence of um whatever the date was i'm

[2:34:58] Trustee Rogers: losing track of when things come in these days it's january 21st um but i but i was struck by

[2:35:04] Trustee Rogers: one thing that you said on page 29 of the package, and it's in the second page of your

[2:35:14] Trustee Rogers: letter where you said, we understand the LCC wants to ensure the project is developed to

[2:35:20] Trustee Rogers: be affordable rental housing as a benefit to the community and is seeking to reduce

[2:35:23] Trustee Rogers: the risk of development that does not meet the community needs such as condos, luxury

[2:35:29] Trustee Rogers: luxury rentals or short-term rentals.

[2:35:33] Trustee Rogers: I have to say, when I saw the word reduce the risk,

[2:35:37] Trustee Rogers: I had to say, no, we have to ensure that that doesn't occur.

[2:35:41] Trustee Rogers: The context that I'm coming from here is that this isn't a heritage forest,

[2:35:46] Trustee Rogers: and there was a provision for an exception to the complete protection

[2:35:51] Trustee Rogers: of the heritage forest for affordable housing.

[2:35:55] Trustee Rogers: housing, in the context of the OCP, this is a, and that's why I know we've gotten some

[2:36:03] Trustee Rogers: commentary today about why is this taking so long, why there's so many studies, but

[2:36:07] Trustee Rogers: the reality is we're carving something out of what is currently a heritage forest, potentially

[2:36:13] Trustee Rogers: carving it out, and we have to be sure that it meets the criteria.

[2:36:18] Trustee Rogers: The other thing I can't, I'm having some trouble getting my head around is the OCP has a couple of provisions about this, and it's in 1.6 community housing.

[2:36:35] Trustee Rogers: And we've already proposed one amendment to the OCP to try and get around one of the provisions that talked about exclusivity for occupancy and we put in the words primary we propose the words primarily.

[2:36:48] Trustee Rogers: primarily and that was sort of based on the on the theory that um uh is that well at least if the

[2:36:55] Trustee Rogers: primarily it falls into the affordable housing category uh if there we understood that the the

[2:37:01] Trustee Rogers: funding formulas that were out there required some level of market housing in order to help

[2:37:08] Trustee Rogers: support the project totally got that that's the 70 30 or 50 30 20 mounted model and other models

[2:37:15] Trustee Rogers: that are out there. So I get that and that's why we put that clause in, but we do really want to

[2:37:21] Trustee Rogers: make sure that it's primarily affordable housing and not something else. But the next clause is the

[2:37:28] Trustee Rogers: one that I want to talk to you about because I'm not quite sure how what you've proposed gets us

[2:37:33] Trustee Rogers: there. Applications shall include provision of a housing agreement ensuring that for affordable

[2:37:41] Trustee Rogers: housing the rental lease sale or share prices and let's just say rental um are fixed below

[2:37:48] Trustee Rogers: average rates within the region um and i the rest of it is not relevant to that so they're

[2:37:55] Trustee Rogers: they're they're fixed below the average price within the region and the way i i read the draft

[2:38:01] Trustee Rogers: from um from you from you folks without with from the proponent without the any kind of an income

[2:38:09] Trustee Rogers: limit or tied to, is that effectively the rental rates would be set by the funder.

[2:38:22] Trustee Rogers: I'm quite prepared to acknowledge that the funder is going to be a driver of that,

[2:38:29] Trustee Rogers: a big driver of that. That seems appropriate as long as I'm comfortable with who the funder is,

[2:38:37] Trustee Rogers: but I'm a little uncomfortable not knowing who the funder is so my question is is do you see

[2:38:43] Trustee Rogers: anything in your proposal two questions do you see anything in your proposals that stops and I'm not

[2:38:51] Trustee Rogers: talking about the character of giggers or their mission or any of that because that's all accepted

[2:38:56] Trustee Rogers: we know that that's what you're doing do you see anything in your housing agreement proposal we

[2:39:01] Trustee Rogers: we signed on that would stop these becoming available for rental to people who make $150,000

[2:39:08] Trustee Rogers: a year and they just pay the 30% of their rent and all of a sudden the rentals are $45,000

[2:39:15] Trustee Rogers: a year? Do you see anything that stops that? And the second question I have is, and it's more

[2:39:21] Trustee Rogers: more generic is, is I often wonder whether we, if we get a bylaws related to, um, uh,

[2:39:30] Trustee Rogers: to third reading, but not adoption, whether that's sufficient for you, because then we can

[2:39:38] Trustee Rogers: make the final, final, final decision. Once we see what is, is being a proposed because,

[2:39:45] Trustee Rogers: because with, or because the other alternative is to put some very much more restrictive

[2:39:50] Trustee Rogers: language. Anyway, those are my two questions. I hope that wasn't too random.

[2:39:54] Voice 1: Yeah, thank you, Chair Rogers. I appreciate those questions. So your first question about

[2:40:00] Voice 1: if there's anything in the draft as we proposed it to stop folks with fairly high incomes

[2:40:07] Voice 1: living in the project. To be honest, I'm not a lawyer and I would have to sit and read

[2:40:12] Voice 1: through the agreement again in detail because these are really valid points that you're

[2:40:17] Voice 1: raising and I do appreciate that you're trying to ensure that there's no chance of that

[2:40:21] Voice 1: happening because you're right that giggers despite good intentions you know you need to

[2:40:26] Voice 1: close the legal loopholes to ensure these things are protected um i think that i'd have to read

[2:40:32] Voice 1: through it carefully um to fully answer that question um and i think if there were loopholes

[2:40:39] Voice 1: as we've proposed it i think there could be relatively um simple fixes whether that's flipping

[2:40:45] Voice 1: flipping the affordability requirement from being tied to incomes to being tied to median

[2:40:51] Voice 1: market rents. That's one possibility. The other possibility is to have a clause in there

[2:40:58] Voice 1: about limiting the incomes for the affordable, sorry, affordable units to ensure that they

[2:41:04] Voice 1: match sort of incomes on the island. I think one thing that is a step at least towards

[2:41:11] Voice 1: preventing this from happening is that the qualified renters the first pool

[2:41:15] Voice 1: that Giggers has to go to is residents of Galliano Island and as was mentioned

[2:41:21] Voice 1: previously incomes on the island are a bit lower than an average in the in the

[2:41:26] Voice 1: region and when you look at Vancouver Island as a whole but that's something

[2:41:30] Voice 1: that I'm definitely I'm hearing what you're saying and I think we'll take

[2:41:33] Voice 1: that into consideration and and have a close read of to make sure that that any

[2:41:39] Voice 1: loopholes can be closed in terms of if a third reading would be enough for enough

[2:41:45] Voice 1: confidence for a funder I don't think it would be I think a secured rezoning is

[2:41:53] Voice 1: what they're looking for to have a lot of confidence in a project that being

[2:41:57] Voice 1: said there are alternative mechanisms that I've seen elsewhere where in a

[2:42:03] Voice 1: covenant a section 219 covenant there's a clause that triggers a housing

[2:42:08] Voice 1: agreement down the line you know basically once it could be at building

[2:42:14] Voice 1: permit stage with the assumption that once the project is going to building

[2:42:18] Voice 1: permit there's funding secured and so we would have that information at that

[2:42:22] Voice 1: point we'd know who is funding it and what sort of rents we'd be looking at so

[2:42:26] Voice 1: there's yeah there's there's ulterior alternatives we could examine but having

[2:42:32] Voice 1: yeah having a full rezoning secured is definitely what the funders would be

[2:42:36] Voice 1: be looking for ideally okay

[2:42:38] Trustee Rogers: thank you and i appreciate that that the reality is sort of

[2:42:43] Trustee Rogers: which which is the cart which is the horse and we're often the cart and and uh and or the horse

[2:42:51] Trustee Rogers: or whatever the right analogy is but is that we i know that you can't get what you really need

[2:42:56] Trustee Rogers: as i always see us as the local trust committees are is we're sort of the bridge between the idea

[2:43:03] Trustee Rogers: and the reality so yeah is robin is there something oh no that's colleen sorry sorry i

[2:43:09] Trustee Rogers: thought it was robin from the office i i've seen trustee rockefeller's hands up though so go ahead

[2:43:14] Trustee Rogers: trustee rockefeller

[2:43:15] Voice 20: i just actually had a question for planner smith that so um miss gibson was

[2:43:20] Voice 20: referring to the housing agreement and needing legal review to see if there's any loopholes to

[2:43:25] Voice 20: close and i was wondering if possibly legal counsel had already looked at portions of that

[2:43:30] Voice 20: housing agreement like because this is the initial one thank

[2:43:35] Planner: you trustee rockefeller so just to uh to

[2:43:38] Planner: to clarify uh um sorry lost my uh my reference here i just to clarify the housing or the ocp

[2:43:50] Planner: community housing policy require that there's a provision of a housing agreement so i think that

[2:43:54] Planner: would be necessary at time of rezoning as opposed to being kicked down to a building permit stage

[2:43:59] Planner: um so that would be a requirement before you approve i think to have a housing agreement in

[2:44:05] Planner: place and sorry what was your question um

[2:44:09] Voice 20: just i know that as one of the housing agreements has

[2:44:12] Voice 20: gone for extensive legal um

[2:44:14] Planner: so the uh housing agreement that was sent uh by staff with staff

[2:44:22] Planner: and applicant markup on the original template was sent to the lawyer the lawyer reviewed that

[2:44:29] Planner: that draft and basically said that how it is structured is not consistent with the 2050-30.

[2:44:36] Planner: It was an old draft and they identified a number of other issues just in general with that template.

[2:44:46] Planner: We were also seeking to develop a same template for Maine Island who was proposing a housing

[2:44:53] Planner: proposal similar in terms and looking also forward to the GALA application, which I know

[2:45:01] Planner: you're recused from, but also trying to seek some consistency in a housing agreement template

[2:45:06] Planner: for Islands Trust to have moving forward rather than relying on this old template that was

[2:45:14] Planner: deemed to have some concerns.

[2:45:16] Planner: My view on the current draft that they're proposing is that legal counsel would say

[2:45:22] Planner: that it is not consistent with the ocp uh because one it doesn't mac or doesn't set a cap on uh

[2:45:30] Planner: maximum uh income and two the definition of affordable housing funder could include any

[2:45:38] Planner: organization that provides a grant or preferential loan of any amount with any

[2:45:43] Planner: organizational purpose uh uh would then have uh potentially the ability to

[2:45:51] Planner: assign the affordable uh market rates and so those are the two and these are not

[2:45:58] Planner: new items we pointed we pointed these out for months and months so it's comforting to hear

[2:46:05] Planner: that the applicant is willing to look at including those in an amended draft and staff are fully

[2:46:13] Planner: open to talking about and looking at what that language looks like to ensure that as we've said

[2:46:21] Planner: all along that flexibility we acknowledge and completely understand the importance of that

[2:46:26] Planner: but there's on the flip side of that we also have the responsibility to ensure that that housing

[2:46:34] Planner: agreement reflects the conditions of what's being proposed at time of rezoning and so that's why we

[2:46:39] Planner: we have been within that 20, 50, 30 structure

[2:46:44] Planner: in our draft housing agreement.

[2:46:46] Planner: Again, you're recused from GALI,

[2:46:51] Planner: but GALI provides three specific scenarios

[2:46:54] Planner: of affordability that they would think.

[2:46:57] Trustee Rogers: She is recused from GALI,

[2:46:59] Trustee Rogers: so we can talk about GALI in the

[2:47:01] Planner: context of GALI.

[2:47:02] Planner: Yeah, that kind of makes it complicated,

[2:47:03] Trustee Rogers: but

[2:47:04] Planner: that is an option.

[2:47:05] Planner: What's presented there is perhaps an option

[2:47:07] Planner: that the applicant might look at as the language that's being proposed there which i think gets

[2:47:12] Planner: closer to being consistent with the ocp but i would still recommend that that be tested by

[2:47:16] Planner: legal counsel sorry chair rogers i i know that's that's

[2:47:19] Trustee Rogers: a little awesome and

[2:47:20] Trustee Rogers: i was just going to

[2:47:21] Trustee Rogers: say that that whatever and i think i totally accept that this is a funding is a moving target

[2:47:30] Trustee Rogers: it um and challenging um i was involved in the gabriola as everybody knows uh ltc and we moved

[2:47:39] Trustee Rogers: it through and probably what seemed like the snails pays for them but felt like rocket speed

[2:47:45] Trustee Rogers: and got it through and they didn't get funded um and so now it's stuck and because one out of five

[2:47:51] Trustee Rogers: projects very few projects are getting funded and so so i totally get that you got to look elsewhere

[2:47:58] Trustee Rogers: and uh and it's really important and it's important to find the right language to build

[2:48:03] Trustee Rogers: that in by keep it consistent with our ocp so that that that's the way i think you're that's

[2:48:09] Trustee Rogers: what i think you're hearing so it was there more on this um let's get oh i see miss doty's here now

[2:48:15] Trustee Rogers: yes

[2:48:15] Voice 9: chair rogers i wanted to add further to eleni's comments uh with respect to a question

[2:48:21] Voice 9: that you yourself had raised and that was about whether or not getting a rezoning to what effect

[2:48:28] Voice 9: that has on getting funding we have been told by funders that restrictive housing agreements

[2:48:38] Voice 9: will impede any option for us to get funding and that is a message that we have been communicating

[2:48:44] Voice 9: back to staff for months and months and i would also like to clarify a few things as well that

[2:48:51] Voice 9: that were stated earlier we did not receive the template initially from staff the housing

[2:49:01] Voice 9: agreement template that we first worked with in january 2021 we actually used our template

[2:49:10] Voice 9: initially on the basis of what gabriela had presented so it was good enough for gabriel

[2:49:16] Voice 9: it's not enough for galeano well

[2:49:19] Trustee Rogers: it isn't it is not the same as gabriel so i think i'd be careful

[2:49:23] Trustee Rogers: this same issue about who the funder is came up on gabriela and okay

[2:49:28] Voice 9: yes and and gabriel the ltc

[2:49:31] Voice 9: managed to work through it in a collaborative fashion so we would also like to work forward

[2:49:36] Voice 9: in a collaborative great that's

[2:49:40] Trustee Rogers: great it's all good news because i because

[2:49:43] Trustee Rogers: we managed to do that

[2:49:44] Trustee Rogers: although i would and frankly and it's actually another question i have for a little later

[2:49:50] Trustee Rogers: uh it's been a bit stuck because um uh because gabriel is now sort of they're in discussions

[2:49:59] Trustee Rogers: with the the first nations in the area about what the language looks like there and that's

[2:50:04] Trustee Rogers: that's not yet been concluded so the final draft has never come back to us but we but it was close

[2:50:10] Trustee Rogers: close enough that we could conclude the public hearing and, and do the adopt the bylaw. So

[2:50:17] Trustee Rogers: anyway which, which actually leads me, I just want to, before I forget, if you don't mind,

[2:50:26] Trustee Rogers: I need to just distract to change subjects just for a second. And we can come back to this.

[2:50:30] Trustee Rogers: Although it's about the housing agreement is I, I have to say, I find the language in the,

[2:50:38] Trustee Rogers: the schedule be not to be problematic as it is i don't understand it and i just i just want to be

[2:50:46] Trustee Rogers: clear when we get to schedule b which is on page 41 of the agreement i just want to let everybody

[2:50:51] Trustee Rogers: know i don't understand paragraph two um and i think it just needs some clarifying language

[2:50:57] Trustee Rogers: because um it talks about it talks about indigenous people's rights and responsibilities

[2:51:03] Trustee Rogers: around what is known as Galea or is considered by members of and I don't know what you're

[2:51:08] Trustee Rogers: interchanging names between the Indigenous people in First Nations communities I think there just

[2:51:13] Trustee Rogers: needs to be some consistency in there so we know exactly what you're talking about I think I know

[2:51:18] Trustee Rogers: what you're talking about um you're saying there but I I think it would be important to make sure

[2:51:23] Trustee Rogers: plus that language it's going and and the whole agreement is going to have to

[2:51:28] Trustee Rogers: um go through the appropriate referral for uh for first nations um so that we feel like they

[2:51:38] Trustee Rogers: an invitation as people so that there's a feeling that their their needs and and desires are being

[2:51:43] Trustee Rogers: met okay so i just just want to flag that i don't need an answer to that i just i'm finding it some

[2:51:48] Trustee Rogers: challenge i think to to understand exactly that language and i'm not sure where it came from

[2:51:55] Trustee Rogers: um okay so that that's just one one point can we come back to anybody else wish to yeah lisa

[2:52:00] Voice 9: wilcox has reviewed the housing agreement including

[2:52:04] Trustee Rogers: schedule b yes

[2:52:06] Voice 9: okay

[2:52:08] Trustee Rogers: well i'll ask lisa

[2:52:10] Trustee Rogers: i don't i

[2:52:11] Trustee Rogers: don't understand it so it

[2:52:14] Planner: would be helpful if we were in that loop

[2:52:16] Planner: staff other staff because i had no idea that this has been put to lisa but uh chair rogers i just

[2:52:22] Planner: wanted to make the point that staff communications with bc housing do not indicate that the housing

[2:52:29] Planner: agreement is the key factor to getting funding the three key factors in their view are

[2:52:35] Planner: land so the ownership of land adequate water supply which they allow other agencies to

[2:52:41] Planner: determine and zoning which is the question that we are all trying to work through here together

[2:52:48] Planner: so

[2:52:49] Trustee Rogers: look i i accept you need some flexibility i'm just talking for myself i'm not talking for

[2:52:55] Trustee Rogers: trustee rockwell i think that you need to be able to in this world in the way the funding

[2:53:01] Trustee Rogers: you need to have the ability to have a housing agreement that can is flexible enough to allow

[2:53:06] Trustee Rogers: you to apply for all sorts of different uh funding that's possible but that does not include a uh a

[2:53:14] Trustee Rogers: high ratio royal bank mortgage and i'm not picking on the royal bank but it it it it doesn't include

[2:53:21] Trustee Rogers: that which would inevitably lead to a market rental situation i also accept that that um

[2:53:28] Trustee Rogers: uh you know that there's been a lot of work put into this and we and i and frankly i accept you

[2:53:34] Trustee Rogers: need to get to uh to rezoning in order to put yourself in the absolute best position to get

[2:53:41] Trustee Rogers: funding i mean i think you're right i think probably i but i thought i'd ask the question

[2:53:46] Trustee Rogers: um because uh you know um so much of this depends on what the the funder says and and uh it and at

[2:53:59] Trustee Rogers: the end of the day if we know it's bc housing then we sort of know what their criteria is or at least

[2:54:05] Trustee Rogers: was but we don't know necessarily what trustee rockfall did you want to add to that um yeah no

[2:54:10] Voice 20: No, I really agree with the concept of keeping it broad enough to allow other varieties of funding.

[2:54:18] Voice 20: And I also think that we really got to move this forward, as we've heard from many of our community members.

[2:54:24] Voice 20: So I would like to propose that the applicant consider using the template that the taxpayers' dollars have put lots of money into from their legal review already,

[2:54:33] Voice 20: already and potentially look at amending that to suit your needs rather than starting from scratch

[2:54:38] Voice 20: which I think will take months and months and months by submitting a new housing agreement

[2:54:42] Voice 20: to review for legal counsel yeah

[2:54:48] Trustee Rogers: Ms. Doty so

[2:54:50] Voice 9: before that that emotion is rushed into we're

[2:54:54] Trustee Rogers: not yeah there's no motion on the table I think that was a suggestion to you as a committee

[2:54:58] Trustee Rogers: So

[2:54:59] Voice 9: I presume that you, Chair Rogers, and Trustee Rockefeller, you have reviewed all the correspondence that we have provided over the last year, outlining the problems with the template that staff are trying to impose, correct?

[2:55:17] Voice 9: correct? You've read everything.

[2:55:19] Voice 20: I just think it's very, I'd appreciate not using language like that

[2:55:24] Voice 20: because no one's imposing anything. People are trying to produce documents that are consistent

[2:55:29] Voice 20: with our OCP. And I think it's very important. We always remember we're all trying to work for

[2:55:33] Voice 20: the same goal. Okay. So we're not going to say imposing or anything like that.

[2:55:38] Voice 9: Well, it needs to be a collaborative relationship and it needs to be, we need to be heard as the

[2:55:46] Voice 9: applicant and brought into the conversation with staff about why the template that they wanted to

[2:55:55] Voice 9: use for Maine and put it on to Giggers doesn't work and we had BC Housing review it and those

[2:56:04] Voice 9: they provided detailed comments about the problems and and I don't feel we never received any

[2:56:12] Voice 9: any response back in a way that was responsive to those concerns so we feel like anything that

[2:56:21] Voice 9: we bring to the table is not being listened to and not rocket science we work this out but we

[2:56:28] Voice 9: need a collaborative relationship and goodwill

[2:56:31] Voice 20: providing a legal agreement that is not consistent

[2:56:34] Voice 20: with our ocp that legally can be challenged and can be

[2:56:38] Voice 20: held up in courts for years and no movement

[2:56:40] Voice 20: can be made forward we've we have to create something that's consistent with our guiding

[2:56:46] Voice 20: document otherwise we potentially face legal challenges now we've already changed part of

[2:56:53] Voice 20: the OCP to better match what you've provided and that's great but there has to be consistency

[2:57:01] Voice 20: among the documents and I'm worried if we provide a new housing agreement to the legal council it'll

[2:57:06] Voice 20: take many more months to review and we will find the same thing lack of consistency because there's

[2:57:11] Voice 20: no affordability attached to your document uh

[2:57:15] Voice 9: what i would like to see it and this suggestion

[2:57:18] Voice 9: was raised last year in the spring niggers and wiser can get together with legal counsel and

[2:57:29] Voice 9: staff and talk about what is needed for a housing agreement to arrive at a workable solution because

[2:57:37] Voice 9: Okay,

[2:57:42] Trustee Rogers: we sort of lost you.

[2:57:45] Trustee Rogers: I think what you said was, is that...

[2:57:48] Voice 9: Okay,

[2:57:56] Trustee Rogers: we, sorry, Colleen, we lost a lot of what you just said,

[2:58:00] Trustee Rogers: but I think what

[2:58:00] Voice 16: you said, I

[2:58:01] Trustee Rogers: think what you said was,

[2:58:04] Trustee Rogers: because you froze, I think what you said was, is,

[2:58:06] Trustee Rogers: and I don't want to go into a, he said, she said, et cetera, et cetera,

[2:58:13] Trustee Rogers: and what happened who did what who didn't do what etc um because uh anyway just i just don't think

[2:58:20] Trustee Rogers: it gets us anywhere we are where we are and we

[2:58:23] Voice 9: are i i am proposing chair rogers a solution i

[2:58:26] Voice 9: would like to have all the parties sit together and we can work through the issues but we need

[2:58:31] Voice 9: to be all at that table discussing where we're coming from what staff needs what giggers needs

[2:58:37] Voice 9: what the funders have told us we've done our research we know what we're talking about and

[2:58:43] And

[2:58:43] Voice 9: we need everybody there at the table working collaboratively.

[2:58:46] Voice 9: Okay,

[2:58:46] Trustee Rogers: so when you say everybody, and please let me finish this time.

[2:58:50] Trustee Rogers: I let you finish.

[2:58:53] Trustee Rogers: You mean staff and giggers and legal counsel?

[2:58:58] Voice 9: I would like us all there at the table.

[2:59:01] Voice 9: Everybody.

[2:59:02] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so this is not our, I mean, this wouldn't involve us.

[2:59:10] Trustee Rogers: You

[2:59:11] Voice 9: can set a motion.

[2:59:12] Trustee Rogers: Huh?

[2:59:13] Trustee Rogers: huh?

[2:59:13] Voice 9: You can make a motion. We

[2:59:15] Trustee Rogers: can make a motion. We can. And I think you're hearing,

[2:59:20] Trustee Rogers: and you heard, I heard Ms. Gibson say it, I've heard you say it, I've heard

[2:59:23] Trustee Rogers: Planner Smith say it, I've heard Trustee Rockefeller say it, that we're all trying to

[2:59:30] Trustee Rogers: find something that's consistent with the OCP and provides this flexibility to go forward.

[2:59:35] Trustee Rogers: All of that requires some options. Now, what we've got right now is we've got two competing

[2:59:41] Trustee Rogers: repeating documents one of which you say what doesn't work for you and one of which our staff

[2:59:46] Trustee Rogers: says doesn't work for us and so how do we find something that works and you heard trustee

[2:59:51] Trustee Rogers: rockefeller and i don't think we need a motion to to incorporate her idea but her idea was

[2:59:55] Trustee Rogers: let's work off the one that was proposed and you can flag

[3:00:00] Trustee Rogers: the stuff that doesn't work and let's i i'm not yeah i see you planet smith let me see um is uh

[3:00:07] Trustee Rogers: the proposal i'm hearing is is that and i don't want to get into well we've we've said we do that

[3:00:13] Trustee Rogers: a hundred times um i just want i just want you guys everybody to do it uh because it sounds like

[3:00:20] Trustee Rogers: everybody's willing to do it and i'll just tell you my perspective even though this is an

[3:00:26] Trustee Rogers: administrative technically administrative bylaw i would not support going to public hearing

[3:00:31] Trustee Rogers: until i know i have an almost concluded housing agreement or at least the basics of a housing

[3:00:37] Trustee Rogers: agreement in place i'm just i'm just saying that that's my perspective i have not touched

[3:00:43] Trustee Rogers: trustee rockefeller we haven't talked about it doesn't mean we can't start the process i'm just

[3:00:47] Trustee Rogers: saying i wouldn't be comfortable going to a public hearing without the foundational document of a

[3:00:53] Trustee Rogers: housing agreement that meets the which satisfies our ocp in place and maybe we can't because of

[3:01:00] Trustee Rogers: the provisions in the ocp um but i want all of that there at the public so yeah i'm ms gabriel

[3:01:08] Trustee Rogers: and then i'll come to you planner smith

[3:01:10] Voice 12: i'm i'm just going to go with what i'm feeling here but

[3:01:12] Voice 12: i'm feeling a little bit baited it sounds to me that if we want to make this happen we have to

[3:01:16] Voice 12: agree here and no best way for us to make a decision no

[3:01:20] Trustee Rogers: i'm not asking you for to do anything

[3:01:22] Trustee Rogers: I'm accepting the offer of Ms. Doty for you guys to to collaborate on finding the language that

[3:01:28] Trustee Rogers: works this is the tough part this is the challenge of finding documents that actually work but I

[3:01:33] Trustee Rogers: we're not I don't I'm sorry you feel baited but I don't I think the the suggestion from

[3:01:38] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Rockefeller was just let's use the document that's already been through the lawyers

[3:01:42] Trustee Rogers: and you can tell us what doesn't work and we'll see if we can make it then we can try and fix it

[3:01:47] Trustee Rogers: so

[3:01:47] Voice 11: we did we we've sent the our review back to brad already we've received nothing back so

[3:01:53] Voice 11: we got to go back to that so

[3:01:56] Planner: can i speak please because a lot of this

[3:01:58] Trustee Rogers: is kind of going around

[3:01:59] Trustee Rogers: in circles i know where this is heading no i

[3:02:02] Planner: want to make some chair rogers please i think i have

[3:02:05] Planner: i need to make the point that staff are not married to one template or another we have

[3:02:14] Planner: have indicated that to the applicant and we have responded through our lawyers back to their

[3:02:18] Planner: lawyers staff are not going to go back and forth with your lawyer young anderson has responded a

[3:02:23] Planner: couple times to your lawyers and the more they respond the more that your money that eats because

[3:02:30] Planner: it's through cost recovery and so we can go back and forth for the next two years between lawyers

[3:02:35] Planner: spending your money or we can look for a solution moving forward staff have indicated we're not

[3:02:41] Planner: not married to that template we can go with any template what staff is married to and legal

[3:02:45] Planner: counsel more importantly is married to is the need to have affordability reflected in the housing

[3:02:52] Planner: agreement and that affordability structure to be consistent with the broader rezoning proposal

[3:02:58] Planner: the proposal that you have submitted that's included in this staff report as we pointed out

[3:03:04] Planner: in this presentation has major gaps that allow loopholes of affordability to filter in and those

[3:03:16] Planner: loopholes need to be closed and in my view that's been my consistent message to you for the last

[3:03:21] Planner: six or eight months is that that housing agreement needs

[3:03:25] Trustee Rogers: to be legally binding thank you literally

[3:03:27] Trustee Rogers: literally getting us nowhere so i

[3:03:30] Planner: think it is

[3:03:30] Trustee Rogers: no partner smith i'm asking you to let me speak

[3:03:34] Trustee Rogers: so here's the bottom line is i'm hearing everybody say that you're prepared to meet and talk and try

[3:03:40] Trustee Rogers: and work through this and i'm hearing i'm hearing miss dodie say um we all just have to get in a

[3:03:47] Trustee Rogers: room and do it there's probably other ways nobody's getting in a room with everybody that's why we're

[3:03:51] Trustee Rogers: We're looking at Hollywood squares right now,

[3:03:53] Trustee Rogers: but you can find a way to get through this.

[3:03:57] Trustee Rogers: And I just think that needs to happen. And, and, and, but you,

[3:04:03] Trustee Rogers: I think you've now heard, and I don't want to speak for trustee Rockville.

[3:04:06] Trustee Rogers: You've now heard a very real reaction of the trustees,

[3:04:11] Trustee Rogers: the local trust committee to the proposal that you put before us about the

[3:04:16] Trustee Rogers: concerns of what's, what's not in there.

[3:04:18] Trustee Rogers: and you don't like what's in the draft that came from young anderson i'm sorry i don't mean to use

[3:04:25] Trustee Rogers: their name but the lawyer law firm the young anderson proposal i'll call it for lack of another

[3:04:29] Trustee Rogers: word so we did but i'm also hearing uh and i hope everybody's listening to everybody regardless of

[3:04:36] Trustee Rogers: what the process was up until now i'm now hearing that everybody wants to find the language that

[3:04:43] Trustee Rogers: it works it provides flexibility it's consistent with the ocp what that looks like i don't know

[3:04:49] Trustee Rogers: i'm not practicing law here i'm the trustee i'm not going to help you draft this um at least not

[3:04:54] Trustee Rogers: you know i'm not going to i mean i have some suggestions for it in an open meeting but

[3:04:59] Trustee Rogers: but i'm hearing that so i'd like to i'd like to believe that everybody here wants the same thing

[3:05:08] Trustee Rogers: so okay and we don't yeah i mean i mean this is tough stuff right

[3:05:18] Voice 16: you

[3:05:19] Trustee Rogers: guys are working i mean i'll

[3:05:21] Trustee Rogers: just say this you guys are working so hard and i know your work and everybody acknowledges you're

[3:05:27] Trustee Rogers: working so hard and you're trying to make your vision come through we have guiding documents

[3:05:33] Trustee Rogers: we have criteria we need to fit and i know that i can hear george harris in the background

[3:05:38] Trustee Rogers: saying just get it done just get it done and i'm going you know there's a small document called our

[3:05:46] Trustee Rogers: official community plan that we have to uh we've are as i said we've already tried to amend it a

[3:05:52] Trustee Rogers: little bit and to accommodate something but i'm having trouble seeing how we get beyond some of

[3:05:58] Trustee Rogers: the provisions of this plus i want to make sure this is an affordable process so trustee rock

[3:06:03] Trustee Rogers: do you have anything more you want to say with the applicant before because i think we need to

[3:06:07] Trustee Rogers: bring this to an end we got other things on our agenda and we need to go away and we need to come

[3:06:11] Trustee Rogers: and have our business talk about what we're going to do with this so let me turn first of all do

[3:06:16] Trustee Rogers: you have any more questions for the applicant you

[3:06:18] Voice 17: have no more questions

[3:06:19] Trustee Rogers: okay so then i'm going to

[3:06:21] Trustee Rogers: ask the applicant do you want to address um specifically any of the other recommendations

[3:06:26] Trustee Rogers: that are in the staff report um around the okay you don't okay so we've got your point

[3:06:38] Trustee Rogers: All right, I think, I hope you feel heard.

[3:06:44] Trustee Rogers: That's important to me that you feel heard

[3:06:47] Trustee Rogers: and that we can move on.

[3:06:49] Trustee Rogers: So if you have nothing further,

[3:06:51] Trustee Rogers: I think what we're going to do

[3:06:52] Trustee Rogers: is we're going to now move into our discussion

[3:06:55] Trustee Rogers: as a local trust committee about what to do

[3:07:00] Trustee Rogers: about the direct staff report and the recommendations

[3:07:03] Trustee Rogers: and the issue around the housing payment, okay?

[3:07:06] Trustee Rogers: So, yeah.

[3:07:07] Trustee Rogers: one

[3:07:08] Voice 9: last thing that has not come up as to why the template proposed by young anderson slash staff

[3:07:14] Voice 9: is not workable in that if it is too rigidly tied down with various terms that are fixed in time

[3:07:21] Voice 9: that housing agreement is registered on title and if there are any changes we have to go back to the

[3:07:28] Voice 9: ltc to amend it we do not want that to have to happen that is why one of the reasons why we need

[3:07:34] Voice 9: the flexibility in the housing agreement to make it nimble enough for the future i

[3:07:41] Trustee Rogers: hear you so um

[3:07:45] Trustee Rogers: i hear you yeah trustee rockwell no oh

[3:07:50] Trustee Rogers: no you were just oh your hand was just you were just

[3:07:52] Trustee Rogers: scratching your ear okay so let me thank let me thank you guys for being here we've had a

[3:07:57] Trustee Rogers: lot of time and and i think it was appropriate more than we would normally have uh and i

[3:08:03] Trustee Rogers: I acknowledge that to anybody watching that we needed to have this discussion thank you for your

[3:08:07] Trustee Rogers: presentation thank you for the discussion I had some serious questions we need to get uh we need

[3:08:12] Trustee Rogers: to figure out if we can get beyond this discussion so I'll ask you if you could just maybe turn off

[3:08:17] Trustee Rogers: your cameras and the three of us can have our discussion about what to do next and I'll I'll

[3:08:34] Trustee Rogers: just say for the for the record and the recording I'm getting emails in about about uh the discussion

[3:08:43] Trustee Rogers: and what we're about to do, I can't process those

[3:08:47] Trustee Rogers: while we're in the middle of the hearing and the meeting.

[3:08:53] Trustee Rogers: So just for anybody watching,

[3:08:56] Trustee Rogers: it's just not possible for me to process those.

[3:08:59] Trustee Rogers: This is not a public hearing

[3:09:02] Trustee Rogers: like you would in a public hearing

[3:09:04] Trustee Rogers: where you take the time to read all submissions

[3:09:08] Trustee Rogers: before you close the public hearing.

[3:09:10] Trustee Rogers: this is a step in the process i feel like i've done a lot of talking trustee rockefeller

[3:09:18] Trustee Rogers: i

[3:09:19] Voice 20: appreciate all the comments made by applicants you

[3:09:23] Trustee Rogers: know what i it is and this has been a

[3:09:28] Trustee Rogers: let's let's see if we can find a way forward what what what thoughts do you have about what

[3:09:33] Trustee Rogers: you'd like to do about the staff report and the various things that um overall

[3:09:37] Voice 20: the staff report

[3:09:39] Voice 20: I was very satisfied with it and I'm also was asked and still I am ready to move all four

[3:09:45] Voice 20: motions. I have concerns about sending this draft the new proposed housing agreement to legal

[3:09:53] Voice 20: which it needs to be but I have concerns because I think it will draw out the process a lot more

[3:10:00] Voice 20: and we're being asked for you know expedient action on this file and I think if we if the

[3:10:08] Voice 20: applicants were able to reuse young anderson's proposed template not use it exactly but rework

[3:10:16] Voice 20: within the framework or even ask you know to to move out in certain areas i think that would

[3:10:21] Voice 20: really speed up the process a bit but i'm also fully uh supportive of just sending their new

[3:10:27] Voice 20: proposal to legal counsel for review i

[3:10:30] Voice 18: just i really

[3:10:31] Voice 20: from a i've read a lot really carefully

[3:10:33] Voice 20: and it does not come it's not consistent with our okay

[3:10:38] Trustee Rogers: so let's let's that's number two let's um

[3:10:41] Trustee Rogers: uh let's let's uh let's do one three and four and come back to number two um number one is

[3:10:50] Trustee Rogers: around in the islands trust because i want to say some things about the trust policy statement

[3:10:54] Trustee Rogers: because we've had some submissions related to the trust policy statement and whether and this is

[3:10:59] Trustee Rogers: we had them earlier as to why we weren't seeing it uh on on our agenda and and and planner smith

[3:11:07] Trustee Rogers: is absolutely correct um uh we gave the bylaws first reading without giving advanced indication

[3:11:16] Trustee Rogers: to the to the planning staff and so they didn't have the analysis of the trust policy statement

[3:11:21] Trustee Rogers: there available and we we were criticized for not doing it but here it is and um so the first

[3:11:27] Trustee Rogers: First item of business is the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[3:11:32] Trustee Rogers: and the Directives Policies Checklist.

[3:11:36] Trustee Rogers: And I guess, Trustee Rockefeller,

[3:11:38] Trustee Rogers: do you want to make a motion?

[3:11:41] Voice 20: Yep, for sure.

[3:11:42] Voice 20: I move that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee

[3:11:45] Voice 20: has reviewed the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[3:11:47] Voice 20: Directive Policies Checklist

[3:11:48] Voice 20: and determined that proposed bylaw number 276 and 277

[3:11:52] Voice 20: are not contrary to or at variance

[3:11:54] Voice 20: with the Islands Trust Policy Statement.

[3:11:56] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I'm going to second that, and I have a couple things to say, but I do, I'm going to second that motion. So it's on the table, Trustee Rockefeller, do you wish to say anything?

[3:12:05] Voice 20: No, I thought it was reviewed very carefully by Planner Smith, and I appreciate that.

[3:12:09] Voice 20: okay

[3:12:09] Trustee Rogers: so um i want to say that i went through it i hate when people do that so i'm not going to do

[3:12:17] Trustee Rogers: it but if you looked at my sheets i've got check marks i went through with the actual trust policy

[3:12:22] Trustee Rogers: statement i read the context i read the notes i wanted to make sure that i understood all of this

[3:12:26] Trustee Rogers: the only one i stopped over was was the um was 4.4.2 which is the water one uh the one that says

[3:12:35] Trustee Rogers: that ensure neither the density

[3:12:37] Trustee Rogers: nor intensity of land use

[3:12:38] Trustee Rogers: increased in areas

[3:12:39] Trustee Rogers: which are known to have a problem

[3:12:41] Trustee Rogers: with quality, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,

[3:12:43] Trustee Rogers: and anticipated in pertinent seasonable down

[3:12:45] Trustee Rogers: because we've had a lot of submissions around that

[3:12:47] Trustee Rogers: and, or at least some,

[3:12:50] Trustee Rogers: we've had some from a number of folks.

[3:12:52] Trustee Rogers: And I have given that a great deal of thought

[3:12:56] Trustee Rogers: because it's a challenging section

[3:12:59] Trustee Rogers: because I don't know what it means by area.

[3:13:03] Trustee Rogers: I don't know if area means

[3:13:05] Trustee Rogers: uh the piece of land in question does it mean the island does it mean the neighborhood i don't know

[3:13:11] Trustee Rogers: what area means so i don't and i so i don't know how much to take into account so i think there's

[3:13:17] Trustee Rogers: some concerns related to what that means i also hear a lot that well we're not taking into account

[3:13:25] Trustee Rogers: the build out that's in the area um and i i go well we don't know what that demand is going to be

[3:13:33] Trustee Rogers: from those because they may sit there for 40 years and nothing might happen or they might

[3:13:39] Trustee Rogers: get developed i don't know and meanwhile potentially a an affordable housing project

[3:13:45] Trustee Rogers: doesn't get built because some private landowners um may or may not build the house um and drill

[3:13:54] Trustee Rogers: well we don't know and so i i'm not sure that that's what that means i don't believe that that

[3:14:00] Trustee Rogers: That means that we should install a project like this.

[3:14:03] Trustee Rogers: And if it wasn't an affordable project, I might have a different context.

[3:14:08] Trustee Rogers: But like this, because there's a series of lots there that have been approved.

[3:14:14] Trustee Rogers: That's what the whole well registration process is about.

[3:14:17] Trustee Rogers: And we were reminded earlier that it's sort of first in time, first in right.

[3:14:22] Trustee Rogers: Well, guess what?

[3:14:23] Trustee Rogers: They're the first there if this happens.

[3:14:26] Trustee Rogers: Their well is there.

[3:14:27] Trustee Rogers: It's there.

[3:14:28] Trustee Rogers: So they'll get their priority that provincial legislation requires.

[3:14:32] Trustee Rogers: So at the end of the day, given that the applicant has done,

[3:14:37] Trustee Rogers: their application has been supported by their professional,

[3:14:45] Trustee Rogers: not hugely disagreed with in my recollection,

[3:14:49] Trustee Rogers: in my reading by the other professional,

[3:14:51] Trustee Rogers: but although they made some other suggestions,

[3:14:53] Trustee Rogers: has been supported by the province at least twice.

[3:14:58] Trustee Rogers: and has been supported by the freshwater specialist of the trust um i'm not sure what else

[3:15:05] Trustee Rogers: the the uh the applicant could do in this circumstance to satisfy us that that we've got at

[3:15:12] Trustee Rogers: that there's that this meets the criteria of the ocp and i'm satisfied that 4.4.2 is um has been

[3:15:21] Trustee Rogers: met so i'm going to vote in favor of this motion so that said unless you have something further

[3:15:28] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Rockefeller, I'm going to call the vote. All in favor? That passes unanimously.

[3:15:34] Trustee Rogers: Can we go to three and we'll come back to two?

[3:15:38] Voice 20: Sure. I move that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to enter a new

[3:15:42] Voice 20: cost recovery agreement with the applicant for the legal cost to review and complete

[3:15:46] Voice 20: the section 219 covenant and housing agreement for application GLRZ2019-1 Giggers.

[3:15:53] Trustee Rogers: Okay and I'll second that for discussion. Do you have anything you wish to say about that?

[3:15:57] Trustee Rogers: i'm very um i'm very pleased to hear that a lot of progress has been made on that and the one

[3:16:05] Trustee Rogers: that we're seeing although there's things still to be built into it around the arborist etc sorry

[3:16:09] Trustee Rogers: um arborist etc it's great to see that all of the discussion we've had and the considerations

[3:16:15] Trustee Rogers: we've had are going to be built into that covenant i think it's going to be uh go a long

[3:16:20] Trustee Rogers: way to satisfying the a lot of the environmental concerns of that area so if there's nothing else

[3:16:26] Trustee Rogers: i'll call the vote all in favor so that passes unanimously uh

[3:16:33] Voice 20: shall i move forward four yeah

[3:16:36] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[3:16:37] Voice 20: um i moved that the galliano island local trust committee direct staff to include

[3:16:41] Voice 20: recommendations of the professional arborist report in the section 219 covenant for application

[3:16:46] Voice 20: gl rd 2019.1 giga okay

[3:16:50] Trustee Rogers: i'll second that i have nothing to say do you have anything you'd like

[3:16:54] Trustee Rogers: to say uh

[3:16:55] Voice 20: no i just appreciate the work that went into completing all the reports

[3:16:58] Trustee Rogers: great so i'll call

[3:17:00] Trustee Rogers: the vote all in favor of that that passes unanimously so uh trustee rockville i guess

[3:17:06] Trustee Rogers: like and i think number two is we could i i agree with you it doesn't doesn't make a lot of sense to

[3:17:13] Trustee Rogers: send the draft from the that the giggers has sent us because i think you and i have both

[3:17:26] Trustee Rogers: both expressed concern about it doesn't include it doesn't probably meet the test of affordability

[3:17:32] Trustee Rogers: the way it's drafted right now and I but I heard a lot of conversation that they were prepared to

[3:17:39] Trustee Rogers: meet and try and meet those concerns and so it seems to me that they should have that there

[3:17:46] Trustee Rogers: should be something that actually addresses those concerns and provides flexibility before we send

[3:17:50] Trustee Rogers: it to the lawyer because otherwise they're going to learn more than once yeah trust planner smith

[3:17:55] Trustee Rogers: Can

[3:17:59] Planner: I just provide the clarification, although I think there's two separate issues here. One is OCP consistency test with whatever they are proposing with respect to rent structure, and then a second piece of work around actually reviewing the housing agreement with that included, but also all the other terms and clauses and finding agreement on that.

[3:18:23] Planner: and like i said whether it's with the template that developed by young anderson or proposed by

[3:18:29] Planner: the applicant whatever we work through obviously in our view the rent structure piece is the

[3:18:33] Planner: the key uh piece that needs to be consistent with the ocp and the proposal

[3:18:40] Planner: so i think this recommendation is more tied to seeking uh a review of the consistency of that

[3:18:50] Planner: that 2.3 rental rate clause that they're proposing

[3:18:53] Planner: and that structure, yeah.

[3:18:57] Trustee Rogers: But I think you've heard both trustee Rockefeller

[3:19:01] Trustee Rogers: and I say that we don't think-

[3:19:03] Planner: I totally agree, I'm just separating the work.

[3:19:07] Planner: The work would

[3:19:07] Planner: be a review of a consistency.

[3:19:10] Planner: We wouldn't direct them to do all the other work

[3:19:13] Planner: on reviewing a housing agreement for all the other pieces

[3:19:16] Planner: that need to be agreed upon.

[3:19:18] Planner: Okay,

[3:19:19] Trustee Rogers: so what I was thinking of, and I appreciate that we've spent a lot of time and we're probably, is that I'm wondering whether it would be useful for us to pass a motion that direct staff to work with the applicant to find common ground on flexibility and affordability in the housing agreement.

[3:19:50] Trustee Rogers: and uh what and then have it reviewed by legal staff if necessary yeah trustee rockwell i guess

[3:19:59] Voice 20: isn't that what's been happening for the last seven months i think that's a challenge

[3:20:04] Voice 5: sorry go

[3:20:05] Planner: ahead that has been what has been happening for the last eight months and we're

[3:20:11] Planner: still at this place where they insist on i'm gonna say like it

[3:20:16] Voice 5: is true rogers i

[3:20:17] Voice 5: know i'm sorry i

[3:20:18] Voice 5: I don't want to go down this road. I do not want to have this

[3:20:21] Planner: debate because you

[3:20:22] Voice 5: see exactly what's happened.

[3:20:24] Planner: But you're directing us to do something that we've been doing really or attempting to do

[3:20:28] Voice 5: for a long time.

[3:20:29] Planner: Okay,

[3:20:29] Trustee Rogers: that's good. Then you can do, okay.

[3:20:31] Voice 20: I don't feel comfortable maybe asking, it's kind of a broad request of staff.

[3:20:39] Voice 20: And I feel like it kind of leaves the onus again on the process and speed of which the application is being developed on staff.

[3:20:46] Voice 20: staff. I mean, I felt pretty out of the loop for the last seven months because it's been just going

[3:20:50] Voice 20: back and forth with staff. So, I mean, I have issues. I do not think it's consistent with the

[3:20:55] Voice 20: OCP. I want affordability in the document. I want an income gap or an income cap, sorry.

[3:21:03] Voice 20: I want it in there. I don't think it has to go between the applicant and staff to determine that

[3:21:09] Voice 20: because that is what makes affordable housing

[3:21:13] Voice 20: an actual project somewhere, not just a luxury condo

[3:21:17] Voice 20: by including something, anything

[3:21:20] Voice 20: that ties it to affordability.

[3:21:22] Voice 20: And so I don't need to get staff to

[3:21:25] Trustee Rogers: work with the applicant.

[3:21:26] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so then let's do this.

[3:21:30] Trustee Rogers: Why don't we pass a motion that says that,

[3:21:33] Trustee Rogers: that the LTC will not approve,

[3:21:37] Trustee Rogers: will uh request that the applicant develop a temp or i don't know because they have to work together

[3:21:45] Trustee Rogers: but there has to be an affordable housing agreement that comes back to us that has

[3:21:51] Trustee Rogers: affordability built into it right no miss dodie you know you can't do this now we're in the middle

[3:21:58] Trustee Rogers: of our discussions even

[3:22:00] Voice 20: if the affordability is just linked to an actual housing provider

[3:22:04] Voice 20: provider because if it's left open to any funder then that affordability is determined by the

[3:22:09] Voice 20: funder but if it's just left up to specific authorized funders i mean i know we're talking

[3:22:14] Voice 20: restriction but it is restriction we're restricting a development to be affordable and so it somehow

[3:22:20] Voice 20: has to be restrictive and i find it hard to believe no um entity will fund something that

[3:22:25] Voice 20: has any affordability restrictions at all because then what are you catering to if there's an

[3:22:30] Voice 20: affordability restriction that restricts

[3:22:32] Trustee Rogers: so here's another option i'm just trying to throw

[3:22:36] Trustee Rogers: out options for you trustee rock folly we can do nothing and we've we've made our message you've

[3:22:42] Trustee Rogers: made your message and your point of view perfectly clear so have i uh so is the applicant everybody

[3:22:48] Trustee Rogers: knows this needs to get done um and i i don't know what if you agree with me but i would not

[3:22:56] Trustee Rogers: go to a public hearing without that document um so i

[3:22:59] Voice 20: don't feel like we can go to a public hearing

[3:23:02] Voice 20: without the document unless we don't want to have any feedback on it from the public or even

[3:23:07] Voice 20: ourselves because after a public hearing our hands are tied to any new information correct

[3:23:11] Trustee Rogers: so we're

[3:23:12] Trustee Rogers: not going to do that until this document is in a place where we can review with the public and

[3:23:18] Trustee Rogers: ourselves and and then we could do that i'm fully prepared

[3:23:22] Voice 20: to go to a public hearing with a housing

[3:23:24] Voice 20: agreement that is tied to affordability correct

[3:23:27] Trustee Rogers: so um so one option is to is and i get i'm just

[3:23:33] Trustee Rogers: trying to put out ways forward with this i don't see the the the need to send 2.3

[3:23:40] Trustee Rogers: and the housing agreement template to the lawyers at this stage because you and i have both said

[3:23:47] Trustee Rogers: we don't we don't think it we don't think what's there does the job um and i've heard everybody

[3:23:55] Trustee Rogers: say they're prepared to do it i've also heard people say that they've been prepared to do it

[3:23:59] Trustee Rogers: for months and it hasn't happened and so all i'm really saying i'm sorry planners but i didn't mean

[3:24:05] Trustee Rogers: to be cutting you off and so i was just trying to get this over with i don't want to rehash what

[3:24:09] Trustee Rogers: has happened i just trying to get us to a place where it does happen and and um i i know yes yes

[3:24:19] Trustee Rogers: i would

[3:24:19] Planner: like to provide a suggestion i'm not frustrated i'm just trying to uh frame things

[3:24:25] Planner: how they are so that we can get past this because if we just so i i would propose that ltc uh pass

[3:24:32] Planner: a resolution such as directing the applicant to make amendments to their draft housing agreement

[3:24:37] Planner: to reflect concerns around affordability raised by LTC or something like that.

[3:24:45] Planner: And in my view, they can either use the template they're proposing

[3:24:49] Planner: or the template that we've proposed back to them to do that and bring it back to us.

[3:24:55] Planner: And it is the next step would then be if you are then happy that you see

[3:25:04] Planner: at least the context of affordability being reflected in whatever they bring back the next

[3:25:09] Planner: step would would then be legal counsel review of whatever draft they bring forward and it's

[3:25:14] Planner: cost recovery and it can be up to them what template they choose like i said staff is not

[3:25:20] Planner: married to a template what we're really seeking all along is that linkage with affordability is

[3:25:27] Planner: explicit and consistent with the proposal i sound like

[3:25:31] Planner: a broken record

[3:25:32] Planner: I

[3:25:32] Voice 20: appreciate that motion that Planner Smith recommended.

[3:25:36] Trustee Rogers: Okay, well, let's go to Carly

[3:25:38] Trustee Rogers: and see if you've got any of that.

[3:25:40] Trustee Rogers: Carly, did you get anything like that?

[3:25:42] Voice 19: Yeah, so you said

[3:25:43] Voice 19: that the Galliano LTC

[3:25:46] Voice 19: direct the applicants to make amendments.

[3:25:48] Voice 5: No, request the applicant.

[3:25:49] Voice 5: We can't direct them to do anything.

[3:25:50] Voice 19: Okay, request the

[3:25:51] Voice 19: applicants make amendments

[3:25:53] Voice 19: to their draft housing agreement

[3:25:54] Voice 19: to reflect concerns around affordability raised by the LTC.

[3:25:59] Voice 20: Yeah, I'm happy to make that motion.

[3:26:01] Voice 20: Okay.

[3:26:02] Trustee Rogers: And I'll second it. And I'll just say, just for the record, I'm prepared to support that motion. I also want to be clear that I think everybody understands that flexibility is important, but we need to work it.

[3:26:21] Trustee Rogers: and if that means that means everybody's sitting in a room to do to develop that then great and uh

[3:26:28] Trustee Rogers: i'm quite prepared to suggest that i'm not i'm not prepared to direct staff to do that i think they

[3:26:36] Trustee Rogers: they can work with um uh with the applicant in the way that's best and the and the way that that

[3:26:41] Trustee Rogers: works throughout this whole thing uh i think there's a there's a clear way forward i just

[3:26:47] Trustee Rogers: think it and so um i just i just want to say that that that this is not intended to be a

[3:26:55] Trustee Rogers: commentary on on the on the uh applicant's proposal other than to say that neither trustee

[3:27:03] Trustee Rogers: are as comfortable with the way it sits right now okay anything further trust eric mcafella

[3:27:10] Voice 20: no i mean it's been said and i just i hope that it comes across to the community that we are

[3:27:17] Voice 20: or everyone here is working really hard on this.

[3:27:19] Voice 20: And I just appreciate all the thoughtful advice

[3:27:22] Voice 20: that Brad Smith has given us today

[3:27:24] Voice 20: and insight that Trustee Rogers has offered.

[3:27:27] Trustee Rogers: So can I just say, okay, let's call the vote,

[3:27:30] Trustee Rogers: but I have a couple other things to say.

[3:27:31] Trustee Rogers: One other thing to say,

[3:27:32] Trustee Rogers: because we had a question earlier that I haven't addressed.

[3:27:34] Trustee Rogers: So if nothing else, I'll call the vote on that.

[3:27:38] Trustee Rogers: All in favor?

[3:27:40] Trustee Rogers: So that passes.

[3:27:41] Trustee Rogers: Thanks Carly for capturing that.

[3:27:43] Trustee Rogers: We got asked the question about timing.

[3:27:45] Trustee Rogers: look so this these bylaws have first reading there's two of them the the reality is is what

[3:27:54] Trustee Rogers: we need what we have to do is is get to you know the processes the next step is

[3:28:05] Trustee Rogers: second reading public hearing can be before second reading or third reading second and third reading

[3:28:10] Trustee Rogers: can happen at the same meeting you can either have your public meeting and community information

[3:28:15] Trustee Rogers: meeting before second reading you can have community information and public hearing before

[3:28:21] Trustee Rogers: third reading it sort of depends on how the whole thing evolves usually you end up with a second

[3:28:26] Trustee Rogers: reading before the public hearing because you're making some amendments to the bylaws as we go

[3:28:31] Trustee Rogers: forward we're not hearing a lot of discussion about the bylaws we're getting discussion around

[3:28:35] Trustee Rogers: on that affordable housing agreement in the covenant it's gonna be when this is ready this

[3:28:40] Trustee Rogers: is ready to go when the community to community information and the public hearing when we have

[3:28:46] Trustee Rogers: those two documents right am

[3:28:49] Trustee Rogers: i wrong about that planner smith where we are right now i would say

[3:28:57] Planner: that the three outstanding pieces for this application to move forward in my view are

[3:29:01] Planner: the housing agreement the finalizing of the section 219 covenant which is well advanced and

[3:29:08] Planner: a final water management plan right and that's advancing as well okay

[3:29:14] Trustee Rogers: so i guess i guess what i

[3:29:16] Trustee Rogers: guess what i'm saying is a lot of the hurdles have been reached and i think the intention is clear

[3:29:22] Trustee Rogers: to get to cim in a public hearing um when we have those pieces finalized and they're probably within

[3:29:31] Trustee Rogers: within the realm of, hopefully within the realm of the foreseeable future.

[3:29:36] Trustee Rogers: And we can give direction to staff to sort of start that process,

[3:29:41] Trustee Rogers: but the problem is that there wouldn't be notice sent

[3:29:45] Trustee Rogers: until we knew we had those documents anyway, right?

[3:29:48] Trustee Rogers: And the timing is, we have to give timing, we have to give notice,

[3:29:53] Trustee Rogers: and then we have to get.

[3:29:54] Trustee Rogers: But once we get into the public hearing in the CIM,

[3:29:57] Trustee Rogers: we can finish

[3:30:00] Trustee Rogers: the process relatively quickly um you know within one meeting for sure then it has to get approved

[3:30:07] Trustee Rogers: by the executive committee and unfortunately there's an ocp amendment that's occurring here

[3:30:12] Trustee Rogers: that has to get approved by the minister before value before it can come back for adoption

[3:30:16] Trustee Rogers: so um i don't know whether we can get the ministerial approval before the end of this

[3:30:22] Trustee Rogers: term but we can certainly if this continues we get to an acceptable resolution certainly we can

[3:30:28] Trustee Rogers: get the third reading and off to the ec before uh the end of this term yeah brad

[3:30:33] Planner: i'd just like to

[3:30:34] Planner: make the point that there there were some in the community earlier looking for ways to contribute

[3:30:38] Planner: and i think when that when and if you get to that point of seeking ministerial approval that maybe

[3:30:44] Planner: is a time where some public uh input to the ministry could help to speed that piece along

[3:30:51] Planner: long which uh can take time just as a an aside so

[3:30:55] Trustee Rogers: i don't know trustee rockefeller you got urged to

[3:30:58] Trustee Rogers: do anything do you do you have any wish to sort of make any specific direct i mean the next obvious

[3:31:05] Trustee Rogers: step is to is to direct staff to uh schedule a cim but what's the public hearing but we can't

[3:31:14] Trustee Rogers: do it until we have these documents so we can't actually

[3:31:17] Trustee Rogers: physically do it

[3:31:18] Voice 20: well yeah and the two

[3:31:19] Voice 20: Two documents, section 219 and the water management plan are well underway.

[3:31:23] Voice 20: I think it's just the housing agreement needs to be produced.

[3:31:27] Voice 20: And then I think we'll just request those meetings be scheduled.

[3:31:30] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[3:31:31] Trustee Rogers: And I'll just say, I don't want to speak for you, but it's some magic way this happened

[3:31:42] Trustee Rogers: before the next LTC meeting.

[3:31:44] Trustee Rogers: We could even do that, make a request to staff to do that by RWM.

[3:31:48] Trustee Rogers: so if we knew everything was in place so um it's just a matter of us asking the staff to do it and

[3:31:56] Trustee Rogers: so that i mean that's that's the reality yeah plan

[3:32:01] Voice 3: smith you

[3:32:04] Planner: could be proactive and seek a

[3:32:06] Planner: resolution that directs staff to schedule a cim and public hearing subject to the receipt of those

[3:32:13] Planner: documents to your satisfaction something along those lines which might signal to the community

[3:32:19] Planner: your your willingness to get to public hearing but uh also acknowledging that there's a few

[3:32:25] Planner: key fundamental pieces that still need to be realized before you can get there

[3:32:30] Voice 20: how do you feel

[3:32:31] Voice 20: that i'm happy that it helps the applicant or any potential funding even knowing

[3:32:37] Voice 20: that the ltc has scheduled that but that planner smith with that the receipt of those documents

[3:32:42] Voice 20: documents be post-legal council review, or?

[3:32:47] Planner: Yeah, I would think we would need to,

[3:32:51] Planner: so the covenant will work on a cost recovery agreement quickly and get the, I mean,

[3:32:59] Planner: you've looked at the covenant, you haven't flagged anything today, so what's left are the

[3:33:07] Planner: arborist conditions, which are pretty straightforward, so I could see that being

[3:33:11] Planner: turned around and brought back fairly quickly like I said the water management plan we've

[3:33:16] Planner: spent extensive time reviewing previous drafts on that and and a lot of energy and uh and that

[3:33:22] Planner: document is coming along and so really it's that's the same place around the housing agreement and

[3:33:29] Planner: the ensuring affordability is and consistency with the proposal is captured in that housing

[3:33:36] Planner: agreement if if if the if the it's now in the applicant's hands to bring something back and

[3:33:42] Planner: the sooner they bring something back which again i've emphasized all along with the the other letter

[3:33:47] Planner: they've offered i i tried to get them to to bring that to staff in early december so that it could

[3:33:53] Planner: be on that agenda so the sooner they bring that you know this this came out of abeyance and we

[3:33:59] Planner: brought it back a week later so you know i think staff is doing everything we can uh to try to

[3:34:06] Planner: get to a decision on this application as that is our role the

[3:34:11] Voice 20: community and and potential funder

[3:34:15] Voice 20: or any kind of or even the applicant i'd be more than happy to make a motion to why don't you do

[3:34:20] Trustee Rogers: that i'll bet carly got some of that every time she said every time someone says motion she starts

[3:34:25] Trustee Rogers: it's the right i know

[3:34:26] Voice 19: okay you

[3:34:29] Voice 19: want to hear what i

[3:34:30] Voice 19: got uh that the ltc directs staff to seek a

[3:34:33] Voice 19: community information meeting and public hearing upon receipt of a housing agreement section 219

[3:34:38] Voice 19: covenant and water management plan yeah was

[3:34:42] Voice 20: it a success or approved approved housing

[3:34:48] Voice 20: let's

[3:34:50] Trustee Rogers: do the first part it was uh not seek a uh is to schedule a

[3:34:55] Trustee Rogers: uh and then and then conditional upon

[3:35:04] Voice 20: satisfaction something satisfactory

[3:35:07] Trustee Rogers: affordable housing agreement section 219 covenant and

[3:35:11] Trustee Rogers: water management and i guess it's i mean satisfactory satisfactory to i would say

[3:35:19] Planner: satisfactory to the ltc at the end so i

[3:35:23] Trustee Rogers: i don't think that's i don't know that's um the right

[3:35:26] Trustee Rogers: phrase uh brad and i'll say why because of course of course we won't have necessarily reviewed it

[3:35:32] Trustee Rogers: and we'll hear a lot of public we may get some public commentary from from the public related

[3:35:36] Trustee Rogers: to it and so i don't want to precondition that we're satisfied with it it's what we have fair

[3:35:41] Planner: enough yeah it

[3:35:42] Voice 20: was actually my motion sorry yeah so

[3:35:44] Planner: so upon receipt of uh yeah i'll let you work

[3:35:48] Planner: through that then sorry yeah

[3:35:50] Trustee Rogers: i think we had a upon receipt of a of a uh affordable housing agreement

[3:35:56] Trustee Rogers: um uh uh section 219 covenant water management plan uh how

[3:36:03] Planner: about to the satisfaction of staff

[3:36:04] Trustee Rogers: yeah to the satisfaction yeah

[3:36:06] Voice 20: that's thank you brett i

[3:36:08] Trustee Rogers: think that works because

[3:36:09] Voice 20: i think it has

[3:36:09] Voice 20: to be to the satisfaction of someone correct yeah

[3:36:11] Voice 20: yeah okay

[3:36:14] Trustee Rogers: so carly do you want to read it again

[3:36:15] Trustee Rogers: and then i'll second sure

[3:36:17] Voice 19: that the ltc directs staff to schedule a community information meeting

[3:36:21] Voice 19: and public hearing upon receipt of an affordable housing agreement section 219 covenant and water

[3:36:26] Voice 19: management plan to the satisfaction of staff can

[3:36:30] Planner: i just make one other point it would be helpful to

[3:36:32] Planner: for ltc perhaps to think about whether you want the cim to be concurrent with the public hearing

[3:36:38] Planner: or separate and i'm guessing separate and that probably makes the most sense but you may want

[3:36:43] Planner: to say that in the motion on a separate

[3:36:45] Planner: day well

[3:36:48] Trustee Rogers: you're going to have to come back to us with

[3:36:49] Trustee Rogers: scheduling anyway sure we can schedule separate cim and public hearing i i these sorts of things

[3:36:57] Trustee Rogers: you don't want to do them together okay so we'll put the word separate thank

[3:37:02] Voice 20: you guys for the help

[3:37:03] Voice 20: and i'll make that motion then

[3:37:04] Trustee Rogers: okay and i'll second it and i have nothing further to say do

[3:37:07] Trustee Rogers: you have anything further to say

[3:37:08] Trustee Rogers: so i'll call the vote that passes i think we have to move on it's

[3:37:13] Trustee Rogers: I know that the planner only has an hour left

[3:37:16] Trustee Rogers: and we've got some more business to do.

[3:37:17] Trustee Rogers: So if there's nothing else,

[3:37:19] Trustee Rogers: is there anything else, Trustee Rockefeller?

[3:37:21] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you for all your work on that.

[3:37:23] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for the applicant.

[3:37:25] Trustee Rogers: We can move the applicants back to the attendees section

[3:37:31] Trustee Rogers: and I'll change you out with Trustee Wolvergin.

[3:37:36] Voice 20: I've messaged Jane.

[3:37:38] Voice 20: I'm going to go now then.

[3:37:39] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[3:37:40] Trustee Rogers: We'll get Jane back

[3:37:41] Trustee Rogers: and we'll um we'll move on to galley which is for what comes along is that page 82 of the app

[3:37:48] Trustee Rogers: of the list and we have a bit of a hard stop at least the planners leave at 5 15 so um whether

[3:37:55] Trustee Rogers: we get through the whole agenda is uh doubtful we also have a very although it's a short i think

[3:38:02] Trustee Rogers: it's a short um uh in camera session it may be just for everybody that's here it may be that

[3:38:08] Trustee Rogers: the town hall might be either very abbreviated or we may not get to it today just

[3:38:15] Voice 14: so you know

[3:38:38] Voice 14: just be back in one minute chair yeah no problem and i'm not going to say much because everybody

[3:39:07] Voice 14: gets tired

[3:39:09] Trustee Rogers: of hearing from me um other than if it's as beautiful there as where i am i'm

[3:39:17] Trustee Rogers: sure galliano is a lovely place to be today it's

[3:39:25] Voice 14: a uh maybe and maybe trustee wolverton

[3:39:31] Voice 14: decided to uh i doubt it she's very responsible there it is we uh we don't have jane yet

[3:39:51] Trustee Rogers: um which is too bad oh there she is okay sorry to keep you off that we had a fairly extensive

[3:40:04] Trustee Rogers: discussion so uh who's here representing uh gali mike

[3:40:12] Planner: hobel uh perhaps barb and uh ada

[3:40:17] Planner: yeah i've got

[3:40:18] Trustee Rogers: mike with his hand up uh could we uh if we could move mike over that would be great

[3:40:23] Trustee Rogers: they

[3:40:24] Planner: should have links to uh to panelists as well okay and then their inbox

[3:40:29] Trustee Rogers: whoever's small

[3:40:30] Trustee Rogers: community initiatives is that is that barb

[3:40:33] Planner: that must be uh um ada oh oh that's a the consultant

[3:40:40] Planner: i'll go much quicker with this one shareholders yeah

[3:40:43] Trustee Rogers: well you know no you're gonna take we're

[3:40:46] Trustee Rogers: going to be careful i just

[3:40:48] Planner: mean there's less it's less less uh i

[3:40:50] Trustee Rogers: think it will less yes i think it

[3:40:52] Trustee Rogers: will be quicker but i think that it um uh will be as careful as we need to be so so welcome uh mike

[3:40:59] Trustee Rogers: and um i guess that's ada that's a small community initiatives we'll come to you in a moment we'll

[3:41:06] Trustee Rogers: have the planner present his report at you just if you've sat through the last and then we'll

[3:41:11] Trustee Rogers: we'll invite you to make commentary related to the staff report etc go ahead i'm

[3:41:17] Planner: just going to

[3:41:17] Planner: share my screen again thank you so you should see the staff report there on page 82 of the agenda

[3:41:26] Planner: package so a few recommendations uh bringing the uh draft bylaw forward with a recommendation for

[3:41:34] Planner: ltc giving first reading today bringing the islands trust policy statement checklist which

[3:41:40] Planner: which is the more typical pathway

[3:41:42] Planner: along with seeking first reading

[3:41:44] Planner: and indicating that the application

[3:41:49] Planner: is not contrary or adherence to the trust policy statement

[3:41:52] Planner: and seeking a legal opinion on consistency

[3:41:56] Planner: of the proposed rent structure update

[3:42:02] Planner: that the applicant has provided with the Galeano Island OCP.

[3:42:08] Planner: and so just moving forward here through the background and so staff have been working on

[3:42:17] Planner: with the applicant an update to the proposed rent structures for the project which is

[3:42:22] Planner: presented in this report completion of an arborist assessment which was requested by the LTC

[3:42:28] Planner: and completion of the source well data logger study which was also requested by LTC

[3:42:35] Planner: see um won't get into uh too much of this uh you're pretty well aware of what by law 280 is

[3:42:43] Planner: seeking to do with an amendment to the uh existing community housing zoning to allow for the form and

[3:42:50] Planner: character being proposed uh by the applicant um the island's trust policy checklist uh

[3:42:59] Planner: provided here again it's a test of consistency with and so staff comments to the right are

[3:43:08] Planner: just some basic comments as to why we deem it to be consistent for the policies in the

[3:43:16] Planner: the column to the left of that that staff have identified as being relevant

[3:43:23] Planner: I'll skip past the Housing Agreement and Rental Structure update here and just finish off these other couple items as they are quite quick.

[3:43:32] Planner: The Section 219 covenant update. So, as of now, the LTC has not really directed staff or the applicant to seek a Section 219 for specific recommendations based on the various reports.

[3:43:46] Planner: That said, staff have been working with the applicant proactively to collect and summarize all those recommendations and working with the applicant to come to an agreed set of conditions and recommendations to bring forward to LTC for their consideration.

[3:44:04] Planner: that will likely be brought forward at the next meeting.

[3:44:08] Planner: The data logger water study report,

[3:44:11] Planner: LTC directed the applicant to conduct another round

[3:44:15] Planner: of data logger water study for the source well.

[3:44:20] Planner: And in general, the findings concluded

[3:44:24] Planner: that the study results were consistent

[3:44:28] Planner: with the similar data logger study

[3:44:30] Planner: that was completed in 2021,

[3:44:32] Planner: As well as the various pump test work that have been done in the past to demonstrate the estimated water supply and no further recommendations for additional work or any other recommendations were provided in that report.

[3:44:47] Planner: There is an arborist report provided with a number of very specific tree protection zone recommendations as well as some more general recommendations and staff will bring those recommendations forward as part of that package of potential conditions, including this tree protection table.

[3:45:08] Planner: table and you can see in red here there's a couple comments where some decisions need to be made

[3:45:13] Planner: based on the on the kind of final layout for tree protection. The other final piece that's

[3:45:20] Planner: outstanding is viability of septic and so there is requirements in the Galliano Island land use

[3:45:31] Planner: use bylaw with respect to rezoning and development and subdivision around septic proof of septic and

[3:45:39] Planner: proof of water and so I think you're just going through due diligence and ensuring that septic

[3:45:43] Planner: work is completed there's been some delay but they are will have that report a number of

[3:45:52] Planner: unforeseen delays kind of weather related that have impacted their ability to do that further

[3:45:57] Planner: other analysis of the lower bench for septic and they'll bring that report back to LTC in the near

[3:46:05] Planner: future as well. So I just want to go back up to the housing agreement and so this is probably one

[3:46:13] Planner: area where we haven't done a lot of work as well trustee Wolverton has refused from Giggers there's

[3:46:21] Planner: has been a lot of work trying to seek a housing agreement that works there and with the hope that

[3:46:29] Planner: that work could piggyback on to this application and we could

[3:46:33] Planner: save some time and resources for the applicant that's just a bit of context but so

[3:46:40] Planner: an important question with respect to this application is the consistency of the

[3:46:47] Planner: The affordability of the proposal with respect to the community housing policies around affordability in the OCP with the applicant's original application was based on the BC housing formula of 20% deep subsidy, 50% rent geared to income, and 30% affordable market units,

[3:47:14] Planner: units, which more or less means 70% of the units would be below market rent. Through just their

[3:47:24] Planner: process of seeking funders and funding solutions, they're finding that proposal limiting. And so

[3:47:31] Planner: they're bringing an updated proposal here that's presented in the staff report with those three

[3:47:37] Planner: Three bullets there seeking three specific solutions to bring forward in a housing agreement tied to these three potential funding scenarios.

[3:47:50] Planner: One, the existing BC housing formula to the CMHC co-investment fund, which requires 30% of units with rent set below 80%.

[3:48:03] Planner: And this question for the applicant, I think there's also a clause around, and all units must be an average of 80% or something along, I think there's another clause, but we can ask them there.

[3:48:15] Planner: And then this last one here, which they've developed this language to allow for another funding agency outside of BC Housing is CMHC while still trying to demonstrate affordability.

[3:48:34] Planner: So this, as it's worded, it's a little ambiguous, but I've confirmed that this would apply to all the units.

[3:48:42] Planner: So each unit or all the units on average would have rent set at or below 30% of the median household income.

[3:48:51] Planner: So I think staff's initial perspective is that all three of those could potentially be consistent with the OCP.

[3:49:01] Planner: But if LTC decides to proceed, staff would recommend that we send that to legal counsel as we did the community housing fund application with respect to the other application, which we've been using as then showing for this application.

[3:49:23] Planner: the 2050-30 formula has also been consistent.

[3:49:28] Planner: I think I will leave it there and open up to questions

[3:49:33] Planner: or if Chair Rogers wants to speak with the applicant next.

[3:49:36] Planner: Thank you.

[3:49:39] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Wolverton, do you have any questions for staff

[3:49:43] Trustee Rogers: or do you want to listen, hear from the applicant first

[3:49:46] Trustee Rogers: and then have a more general conversation?

[3:49:49] Voice 17: I think I'd like to hear from the applicant.

[3:49:51] Voice 17: I do have some questions, but I think they'll fall into both.

[3:49:54] Voice 17: okay

[3:49:55] Trustee Rogers: so um hello Mr. Hubbell and uh I see Barb Greenhand is here and then Ada so whoever would

[3:50:05] Trustee Rogers: like to speak and and feel free to make your whatever submissions regarding the commentary

[3:50:11] Trustee Rogers: from the staff and comments on the staff report as you as you see fit

[3:50:15] Voice 4: um yes can you hear me

[3:50:18] Voice 4: yeah yeah well first of all it's been a long afternoon i've been watching all along and

[3:50:26] Voice 4: without getting into the details of the previous discussion because trustee wolverton is here

[3:50:32] Voice 4: a lot of items were covered in the previous discussion about the giggers application

[3:50:39] Voice 4: and some of that we would some of the presentation information and some of the discussion we would

[3:50:44] Voice 4: certainly echo but anyway we're very glad to have a chance to have our application on the agenda

[3:50:55] Voice 4: today and to move the process along in keeping with comments at the town hall of course we are

[3:51:04] Voice 4: anxious to move this as quickly as possible and we're all very conscious of the

[3:51:09] Voice 4: the fact that the term of the current LTC is,

[3:51:14] Voice 4: we can see the end of it looming,

[3:51:16] Voice 4: and I'm sure everybody has also been expressed

[3:51:20] Voice 4: as really desirous of getting things accomplished

[3:51:23] Voice 4: in this term, and we're confident that can be done.

[3:51:29] Voice 4: One thing I would, as Brad has,

[3:51:32] Voice 4: Planner Smith has just commented,

[3:51:34] Voice 4: we have not really engaged yet

[3:51:37] Voice 4: with the staff in any detail about the housing agreement.

[3:51:44] Voice 4: We've been working quite a bit on the covenant conditions,

[3:51:48] Voice 4: but in respect of the housing agreement,

[3:51:52] Voice 4: we have amended and it's on my other screen here

[3:51:57] Voice 4: and Brad had it up a few minutes ago on the share screen.

[3:52:01] Voice 4: We certainly have proposed some alternate wording

[3:52:06] Voice 4: in with respect to the kind of rent structure

[3:52:12] Voice 4: and as well, I don't think I'll be saying anything

[3:52:17] Voice 4: that Jane's not supposed to hear looking for flexibility

[3:52:21] Voice 4: in the same way in the housing agreement

[3:52:24] Voice 4: in the same way that the other applicant is looking for

[3:52:29] Voice 4: for the same reasons.

[3:52:31] Voice 4: So the wording we proposed here is slightly different.

[3:52:37] Voice 4: Well, I don't want to make any more comparisons to another. It is different from what we had originally described the project rationale as being. So it is suggested wording to kind of broaden and introduce flexibility.

[3:52:50] Voice 4: And I understood there was a question about the CMHC co-investment fund and Brad was saying there's maybe another clause. I'm not sure what he'd be referring to. And I would certainly defer to Ada from New Commons who's on the call to comment about that.

[3:53:06] Voice 4: anyway that would be my general comment about um where we are with the staff report and and the

[3:53:14] Voice 4: process and

[3:53:15] Planner: why i raised that was uh was uh aleni's presentation earlier had the first clause

[3:53:22] Planner: but it also included a second clause around uh 80 eligibility and so just wondering if it's the same

[3:53:29] Planner: funding program if that applies but i'll dig that out and share

[3:53:32] Voice 4: it in a second yeah i believe we are

[3:53:34] Voice 4: are referencing the same criteria that CMHC has.

[3:53:43] Planner: I won't, go ahead, Chair Rogers, yeah, thank you.

[3:53:49] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Mr. Holwell.

[3:53:51] Trustee Rogers: Now, you said you had other,

[3:53:56] Trustee Rogers: did either Ada or Barb, Ms. Breanne wish to make any comments

[3:54:02] Trustee Rogers: before we turn to questions?

[3:54:07] Trustee Rogers: Just, I see Ada has unmuted.

[3:54:09] Trustee Rogers: you're welcome to turn your camera on as well. Thank you.

[3:54:15] Voice 18: Yeah, I just would like to maybe

[3:54:18] Voice 18: reiterate what Michael said. And I think what is the important part is to understand that all of

[3:54:23] Voice 18: these, all of the affordability for the project is, first of all, it is in the, you know, society's

[3:54:32] Voice 18: constitution and it is their uh you know primer goal of of and purpose basically is to provide

[3:54:39] Voice 18: affordable housing and uh all kinds of i understand like i've been listening as same as michael like

[3:54:46] Voice 18: from the very beginning so i have an insight on what the concerns are overall um so yes so this

[3:54:53] Voice 18: is why we are kind of we reworded the affordability to be able to see like more clearly it is the the

[3:55:01] Voice 18: same program that the other group was referencing mind you there are all other different kinds of

[3:55:09] Voice 18: programs that for example bc housing provides but again even with those programs the affordability

[3:55:15] Voice 18: is never quite like it is never a question like the affordability it's only a matter of

[3:55:22] Voice 18: the level of subsidy and the level of affordability so it could be either

[3:55:28] Voice 18: um exactly and this was also to you know in in question of um you know what is the cap for the

[3:55:38] Voice 18: income uh there obviously there is the the affordability like mmr mmrs like median market

[3:55:46] Voice 18: trends uh are annually provided by uh cmhc and uh typically affordability is always below so

[3:55:55] Voice 18: So it is never considered to have anything above median market rents, which again, you

[3:56:02] Voice 18: know, this is basically what gives you that cap on, you know, the affordability.

[3:56:10] Voice 18: Actually on,

[3:56:11] Voice 18: you know, income rates, that I believe was also one of the concerns, where

[3:56:16] Voice 1: how

[3:56:17] Voice 18: do we control who are the renters?

[3:56:19] Voice 18: And that's basically how it works.

[3:56:24] Voice 18: So the first kind of threshold is median market trends that are prescribed by CMHC. And then on top of that, there has to be affordability level. So it can be 30%, 50%, 70%, like below median market trends. And this is typically what most of the programs see. So I hope that clarifies that question.

[3:56:47] Voice 18: question. Can

[3:56:51] Planner: I just add to that, Chair Rogers, please? Of course. And what I understand in my

[3:56:56] Planner: conversations with the applicant is that they are open to these three specific scenarios being

[3:57:03] Planner: captured in a housing agreement moving forward. And as long as that meets the consistency test

[3:57:10] Planner: with the OCP, from a staff perspective, we would then work with the applicant on drafting a housing

[3:57:19] Planner: housing agreement in whatever template we start with uh that uh specifically describes these three

[3:57:27] Planner: scenarios as the only three scenarios unless amendments occur to that housing agreement

[3:57:32] Planner: and that's I'm here I'm seeing Aiden Otterhead so if we're at that position if we're both at

[3:57:39] Planner: that position and I think we're at a place where we could collaboratively move this forward quite

[3:57:43] Planner: quickly and the other terms of the housing agreement uh you obviously there would be

[3:57:48] Planner: some back and forth with legal counsel to to reach conclusion on but that could all be done quite

[3:57:53] Planner: quickly yes

[3:57:55] Voice 4: brad it's mike you might want to put your staff report back up on your share screen

[3:58:01] Voice 4: just around that housing section this here yeah yeah

[3:58:07] Voice 4: yeah just just for reference by the trustee

[3:58:09] Planner: so so so so it would be either uh option one option two or option three or the other way

[3:58:17] Planner: way we've talked about is and i guess this would be a conversation for legal counsel if you frame

[3:58:22] Planner: it as the lowest uh barrier then it would enable any other proposal above that and that might be

[3:58:30] Planner: a more enabling one so whatever one of these is deemed the least restrictive but also meets that

[3:58:38] Planner: test of affordability then that could be your minimum bar and uh then bc housing is always

[3:58:45] Planner: to be more restrictive than that and so you don't need to necessarily define that as long as you are

[3:58:50] Planner: capturing what this lowest bar is does that make sense but

[3:59:03] Trustee Rogers: my understanding is none of this has

[3:59:06] Trustee Rogers: been put into a draft housing agreement yet so

[3:59:11] Planner: so i think a first step would be to send this

[3:59:15] Planner: statement by the applicant to our legal counsel which is what staff are recommending

[3:59:21] Planner: recommending LTC do. LTC can compare these clauses to your community housing policies

[3:59:31] Planner: as they have done with the 2050-30. So they'd just be looking at these other two very specific

[3:59:37] Planner: scenarios and they would be providing their advice as to whether they view it as consistent

[3:59:43] Planner: with the ocp as a whole and my initial uh view is that uh they they likely would based on the

[3:59:51] Planner: legal advice they already provided on this but i wouldn't want to step out on that limb

[4:00:00] Planner: Maybe I just did.

[4:00:02] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I was going to say, you may have just done that.

[4:00:05] Planner: Anyway, so I'm out there, but barely.

[4:00:10] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[4:00:12] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Woolverton, you probably have a few questions.

[4:00:16] Voice 17: Yeah, I just, one of the outstanding, so there's the rent structure,

[4:00:21] Voice 17: and that sounds like that's, you know, moving along in a process.

[4:00:25] Voice 17: But the other situation that I wanted to ask about is the septic design.

[4:00:31] Voice 17: And I know that that's been delayed for a number of reasons, but because it's not going to be up on that upper bench, I'm just wondering, I know there was some suggestion that it would be lower, but I wasn't sure kind of how far along you are with that design.

[4:00:50] Voice 4: I think Ada can speak to that as well. But let me just start by saying, first of all, the delays were partially weather related. And then to the change in BC Ferry schedules and the capacity or the possibility for our consulting engineer, who's based in the lower mainland, to get here and get back on the same day, kind of push the schedule along.

[4:01:14] Voice 4: long yeah we're looking at uh as per the a suggestion that we already have well we're

[4:01:22] Voice 4: taking into account a number of possible uh new directions but the engineer has another place to

[4:01:28] Voice 4: be investigated and it's a matter of getting there doing some test uh testing uh of the terrain and

[4:01:36] Voice 4: And then he will adjust his design.

[4:01:40] Voice 4: That's my understanding.

[4:01:41] Voice 4: I think that's correct, Ada.

[4:01:44] Voice 4: Maybe you want to comment.

[4:01:45] Voice 18: Yes, thank you.

[4:01:46] Voice 18: So through the chair, basically the septic design original site investigation that has been done was interrupted because of the weather.

[4:01:55] Voice 18: But the

[4:01:56] Voice 18: consultants, they did investigate the site visually.

[4:02:00] Voice 18: However, they cannot provide a written, you know, confirmation without actually having completed excavation and digging the holes throughout the site where they are proposing their infrastructure.

[4:02:16] Voice 18: However, in the conversations, they did note that the majority of site has very similar, it is very similar in its content and it's kind of what it is composed of.

[4:02:30] Voice 18: Original proposal was showing two lines for dispersal, and those two were both optional.

[4:02:40] Voice 18: So we did not propose to have two lines at the very beginning, but either option A or option B.

[4:02:48] Voice 18: And the investigation was completed for option A.

[4:02:51] Voice 18: after we received the ecological assessment they recommended that we move from option a further

[4:02:59] Voice 18: down north however in conversation with the septic consultants they did make a note that

[4:03:06] Voice 18: that particular area that the ecological consultant recommended as being the closest

[4:03:12] Voice 18: to the original design like the original upper bench is not really preferable because there is

[4:03:20] Voice 18: a lot of rocks in that area and then we would have to have a lot of additional soil added

[4:03:28] Voice 18: and it is very steep so the septic consultant did confirm that the second option that we

[4:03:36] Voice 18: originally proposed is the most likely and the preferable location for the septic line

[4:03:42] Voice 18: but we are really just lacking that you know excavation of that particular exact where the

[4:03:49] Voice 18: line is and confirming with the test

[4:03:53] Voice 14: that it is viable. I'm sorry my dogs are making a lot of

[4:04:01] Voice 14: noise

[4:04:01] Voice 17: in the background because they wanted to go out but I couldn't leave. So the septic option

[4:04:09] Voice 17: two is that closer to the road then and is it outside of the setbacks? It

[4:04:20] Voice 17: is outside the setbacks

[4:04:21] Voice 17: but it's

[4:04:23] Voice 4: actually it's actually towards the north jane not towards the road

[4:04:28] Voice 17: okay

[4:04:29] Voice 17: and whereabouts on the north i have i have a a map up here well

[4:04:36] Voice 4: if if you were to look at the

[4:04:38] Voice 4: original septic design that was you know on the original site servicing plan i don't have it right

[4:04:45] Voice 4: Handy. But it is saying there were two lines shown by the septic engineer, and the

[4:04:53] Voice 4: upper one was, as we learned from Keith's work, was intruding into a sensitive area.

[4:05:03] Voice 4: So as Ada says, the lower line that was shown on the septic engineer's original report is the one that needs now to be actually investigated more thoroughly.

[4:05:16] Voice 4: But it appeared that that would work, but no test excavations have been made at the location of that second lower, more northerly line.

[4:05:27] Voice 4: So that's what yet has to be completed.

[4:05:31] Voice 4: Those

[4:05:32] Voice 17: are in proximity to some of the trees that have been identified, I believe.

[4:05:37] Voice 4: Is that correct?

[4:05:39] Voice 4: No, I think you're looking, no, it's to the north.

[4:05:44] Voice 4: Again, we should be looking at the same map, but the trees that were really assessed were the ones near the development, the footprint of the buildings in that.

[4:05:57] Voice 17: Right, I guess I'm looking at the August site update and it does show the trees there,

[4:06:05] Voice 17: but those are the ones that probably were in Keith's study. But there's one, tree number 12,

[4:06:13] Voice 17: is that near what you're describing?

[4:06:17] Voice 4: I'm sorry, it would take me a minute to pull up all these maps.

[4:06:20] Voice 4: perhaps we can certainly look into it, but just needless to say, if there is any conflict in

[4:06:28] Voice 4: positioning, we would adjust. Oh, thank you. That's going to be helpful to see where the lower line is.

[4:06:34] Voice 4: Yeah.

[4:06:34] Voice 18: So this is our site. It is a little bit, you know, it is rotated in a way so you can see

[4:06:40] Voice 18: the north arrow. So this

[4:06:42] Voice 18: is the dispersal field option two. So basically it's

[4:06:46] Voice 18: still quite far

[4:06:47] Voice 18: out from the property line that goes all the way around here so we have the shorter one line here

[4:06:53] Voice 18: and here we do respect all the setback lines and we are quite far out from uh the uh the forested

[4:07:01] Voice 18: area that is protected and i don't think that there are any of the trees that are investigated

[4:07:08] Voice 18: that are actually in this area okay

[4:07:11] Voice 17: okay yeah i mean it yeah it's looking like like where you

[4:07:17] Voice 17: you first showed me in a way when we went up the road when we first looked at the yeah

[4:07:24] Voice 4: so when we

[4:07:26] Voice 4: so the the first line that's shown here that we are not going to be using is right at the crest

[4:07:33] Voice 4: of the hill and slightly just slightly past the crest right um

[4:07:38] Voice 4: and and that is a sensitive area

[4:07:41] Voice 4: Or it intrudes into a sensitive area. But further down the slope where that other line is shown in the second red line there that was just up on the screen is way away from the sensitive areas.

[4:07:57] Voice 4: And it seems quite suitable, but again, the engineer wants to do a couple of test excavations just to confirm, you know, the depth of soil, the type of terrain it is.

[4:08:14] Voice 4: So we'll know more once that's happened.

[4:08:16] Voice 4: that's okay

[4:08:18] Voice 18: all right just to confirm sorry here is the arborist report so all the trees

[4:08:25] Voice 18: significant trees are located in the south area where basically is our you know development and

[4:08:31] Voice 18: the second line that is proposed is in this area

[4:08:34] Voice 14: yeah okay thank you okay well i

[4:08:40] Voice 14: think those were

[4:08:41] Voice 14: my

[4:08:41] Voice 17: questions oh um i know uh the issue of groundwater for irrigation and i believe that

[4:08:49] Voice 17: the buildings were are being planned without post bibs that would hook up so that um the groundwater

[4:08:58] Voice 17: uh would not be used for ordinary irrigation of the gardens is that correct correct

[4:09:04] Voice 30: yeah okay

[4:09:05] Voice 17: and then but there would be a water available for other uses that would be

[4:09:11] Voice 17: appropriate

[4:09:12] Voice 4: uh are you talking about potable versus uh

[4:09:17] Voice 17: well actually you would have rainwater

[4:09:19] Voice 17: available for some of the other

[4:09:20] Voice 4: Yes, exactly. That's

[4:09:23] Voice 4: the intention is anything that isn't for

[4:09:25] Voice 4: potable use would

[4:09:26] Voice 4: be supplied with rainwater

[4:09:28] Voice 4: catchment storage.

[4:09:32] Planner: For example,

[4:09:33] Planner: I think Trustee Wolverton is

[4:09:34] Planner: suggesting like

[4:09:36] Planner: annual maintenance of

[4:09:39] Planner: paved surfaces,

[4:09:41] Planner: pressure washing, those

[4:09:43] Planner: kind of activities.

[4:09:45] Voice 4: I'm sure it could be worked

[4:09:47] Voice 4: out so that that was supplied

[4:09:48] Voice 4: with non-potable water, if that was desired, you know.

[4:09:53] Voice 4: And

[4:09:53] Voice 17: we wouldn't be encouraging

[4:09:55] Voice 17: a lot of pressure washing anyway.

[4:09:57] Voice 14: No.

[4:10:01] Trustee Rogers: So I just have one sort of question.

[4:10:04] Trustee Rogers: Well, and then I have a process question,

[4:10:06] Trustee Rogers: but I was reading the report from Mr. Kohat

[4:10:13] Trustee Rogers: from the waterlogger,

[4:10:14] Trustee Rogers: and he did mention interference with the well.

[4:10:17] Trustee Rogers: And I assume that's the neighboring well

[4:10:20] Trustee Rogers: at the at the uh facility next i'm sorry yeah

[4:10:25] Voice 17: page drive right

[4:10:27] Trustee Rogers: and so my understanding is page

[4:10:30] Trustee Rogers: drive is supportive of this application has not expressed any concerns is that is that is that

[4:10:36] Trustee Rogers: correct yeah okay yeah so so they'd be aware of the fact that there is from time to time

[4:10:42] Trustee Rogers: because i noticed that they sometimes interview interfere with your well level and sometimes your

[4:10:47] Trustee Rogers: well level interferes with theirs when they're

[4:10:50] Trustee Rogers: filling tanks etc and that's that's fully

[4:10:52] Trustee Rogers: disclosed they know this it's all well well observed is that right

[4:10:56] Voice 4: yeah yeah and i just

[4:10:58] Voice 4: a comment about that um you know a year ago some time ago when we did the well stress test

[4:11:05] Voice 4: uh the 72 hour um pumping not surprisingly it did it was and and the page drive well was being

[4:11:14] Voice 4: monitored as well and it definitely when you pump the heck out of a well for 72 hours you will see

[4:11:22] Voice 4: an effect uh in a nearby well the um so that wasn't surprising and all that's been shared

[4:11:30] Voice 4: it's really important is the rebound or the recovery and that was very acceptable

[4:11:37] Voice 4: very satisfactory, and that's all in detail

[4:11:41] Voice 4: in Kohut's report about-

[4:11:43] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, and I got that.

[4:11:44] Trustee Rogers: I just wanted to get clear on which well,

[4:11:46] Trustee Rogers: I thought that was where the well was,

[4:11:48] Trustee Rogers: and I just wanted to be sure about that.

[4:11:50] Voice 17: Okay, thanks.

[4:11:51] Voice 17: I think there was about a five-meter difference

[4:11:55] Voice 17: in the H-drive well after the well test, the pump test.

[4:12:00] Voice 4: Yeah, and Al Kohut also estimated

[4:12:03] Voice 4: what the impact on that well would be

[4:12:06] Voice 4: at the normal pumping rate you know yeah that kind of thing yeah okay

[4:12:11] Voice 4: that's great oh sorry

[4:12:13] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[4:12:13] Voice 17: i was gonna say now i've i've talked to um the chair of the page drive board about

[4:12:22] Voice 17: the further uh expansion that they have been talking about um but they have no plans at the

[4:12:32] Voice 17: the moment. So that was just, I know that was raised by one person in correspondence in this

[4:12:42] Voice 17: last little while. So at the moment, they do not have a plan for that.

[4:12:50] Voice 4: Okay. I do know that they

[4:12:54] Voice 4: have hopes and a vision of expanding Page Drive by, I believe, another four units. By the way,

[4:13:01] Voice 4: Barb who's on the call here has been in close touch with the Page Drive board and working

[4:13:08] Voice 4: with them so I don't do you have any more info about that?

[4:13:14] Voice 24: Just that we're in connection and so

[4:13:16] Voice 24: if something happens in our well they'll know it and if something happens in their well we'll know

[4:13:23] Voice 24: it and we'll be able to see like for instance if they move you know fill up a tank or something

[4:13:29] Voice 24: and it's got an effect on our well,

[4:13:32] Voice 24: that'll all become part of the well monitoring

[4:13:34] Voice 24: and making sure that there's no leak,

[4:13:37] Voice 24: that we know that that effect is as a result

[4:13:40] Voice 24: of something that's happening in their water system.

[4:13:44] Voice 24: So that is our goal to make sure that we're, you know,

[4:13:49] Voice 24: kind of holding hands going through this

[4:13:51] Voice 24: and that we're in constant communication as needed.

[4:13:56] Voice 24: it okay

[4:13:57] Trustee Rogers: and see and that's my assumption about these things i know you're in communication with

[4:14:02] Trustee Rogers: them if they have concerns they'll come to us so that's that's that's my assumption if i don't hear

[4:14:06] Trustee Rogers: from them then they know what's going on and they can see this so that's fine my other question is

[4:14:11] Trustee Rogers: sort of for you as well planner smith is sort of where we're at in the process so we don't have a

[4:14:18] Trustee Rogers: template of a housing agreement we don't have a we don't have a um a covenant yet we the water

[4:14:24] Trustee Rogers: management i can't recall that we have a water management plan here we might have i can't

[4:14:29] Trustee Rogers: remember yes there is one um we're we don't have yet of uh we don't you don't have a

[4:14:35] Trustee Rogers: a well license yet uh but i assume that is that in the works

[4:14:39] Voice 4: yes yes and we have received and it's

[4:14:43] Voice 4: posted on the trust website the technical review memo from uh the water management folks or i mean

[4:14:51] Voice 4: the water license folks in the province. And they concur, as you know, the provincial

[4:14:59] Voice 4: hydrogeologist, or one of them, reviews all the information that our consulting hydrogeologist

[4:15:05] Voice 4: provides. And the provincial hydrogeologist concurred with the findings and analysis.

[4:15:14] Trustee Rogers: Okay. So you've got that

[4:15:15] Trustee Rogers: technical memo. Yeah.

[4:15:16] Voice 4: And we are waiting now for the license itself.

[4:15:20] Voice 4: Okay. So, so

[4:15:21] Trustee Rogers: I just started figuring out where we're at in terms of the staff report. Do you

[4:15:24] Trustee Rogers: guys have it? Does the applicant have any comment related to the three recommendations of the staff

[4:15:29] Trustee Rogers: report? Okay. I think we're good. Okay. Okay.

[4:15:37] Trustee Rogers: Okay. So I, I just trying to figure out where

[4:15:40] Trustee Rogers: we're at, where we're at at the process and you know, how far we can advance and what we can do,

[4:15:46] Trustee Rogers: because we've still got, there's still some work to do. And you said, I sound very, the applicant

[4:15:50] Trustee Rogers: it sounds very clear on they know what those things are so that's great um so that's great

[4:15:55] Trustee Rogers: if you have nothing further i'll go back to trustee wilberton and we'll talk unless you

[4:16:00] Trustee Rogers: have more questions you have more questions no

[4:16:02] Voice 17: i i think that i'm ready to actually ask staff to

[4:16:08] Voice 17: set a cim and public hearing down the road subject to um the housing agreement

[4:16:20] Voice 17: the set of recommendations under a section 219.

[4:16:26] Voice 17: I think that's, those are the main things.

[4:16:28] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so can we deal with the three recommendations

[4:16:31] Trustee Rogers: that are in the staff report first

[4:16:33] Trustee Rogers: and then we'll come to that.

[4:16:34] Trustee Rogers: Sure.

[4:16:34] Trustee Rogers: Because we're going to craft

[4:16:35] Trustee Rogers: that language.

[4:16:37] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[4:16:39] Trustee Rogers: So thanks, if I can ask Mr. Hovo and Ms. Kudic

[4:16:42] Trustee Rogers: to mute yourselves while we have our conversation,

[4:16:45] Trustee Rogers: that would be great.

[4:16:46] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[4:16:47] Trustee Rogers: and so the first motion and this is how the process you'll actually you don't

[4:16:56] Trustee Rogers: recall this how the process gets moved along as we give it first reading we get

[4:17:00] Trustee Rogers: a public hearing when we're ready to do second or third so are you ready to make

[4:17:04] Trustee Rogers: that first motion

[4:17:05] Voice 17: yes I am okay go ahead

[4:17:10] Voice 17: committee bylaw number 80 I did as Galliano Island official community plan

[4:17:14] Voice 17: and bylaw number 108, 1995 amendment number 32021

[4:17:20] Voice 17: be read for the first time.

[4:17:23] Trustee Rogers: Be read for the first time.

[4:17:24] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I'll second that motion.

[4:17:25] Trustee Rogers: Do you have any comments?

[4:17:26] Trustee Rogers: Anything you'd like to say?

[4:17:28] Trustee Rogers: Okay, okay.

[4:17:30] Trustee Rogers: So thank you for the work.

[4:17:32] Trustee Rogers: We've seen this before.

[4:17:33] Trustee Rogers: We've seen the draft of the bylaw

[4:17:34] Trustee Rogers: and this is the technical rezoning for the land use bylaw.

[4:17:38] Trustee Rogers: And we're lucky, we're lucky.

[4:17:39] Trustee Rogers: At least at this stage,

[4:17:41] Trustee Rogers: there's no need to amend the official community plan.

[4:17:44] Trustee Rogers: so this is something that can get through the EC

[4:17:46] Trustee Rogers: and back more quickly.

[4:17:48] Trustee Rogers: So that's great.

[4:17:48] Trustee Rogers: And I support this as well.

[4:17:49] Trustee Rogers: I think we've been through the land use by-law

[4:17:51] Trustee Rogers: and I'm ready to read the first time.

[4:17:53] Trustee Rogers: So I'll call the vote.

[4:17:55] Trustee Rogers: All in favor?

[4:17:56] Trustee Rogers: That passes unanimously.

[4:17:59] Voice 17: I'll read the second recommendation.

[4:18:01] Voice 17: The Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed

[4:18:05] Voice 17: the Island's Trust Policy Statement Directive Policy

[4:18:08] Voice 17: and determined that draft by-law number 280

[4:18:13] Voice 17: is not contrary to or at variance

[4:18:16] Voice 17: with the island's policy statement.

[4:18:18] Trustee Rogers: Okay, and I'll second that motion.

[4:18:21] Trustee Rogers: Do you have any commentary,

[4:18:22] Trustee Rogers: anything you'd like to say, Trustee Woolrich?

[4:18:25] Voice 17: No, I mean, I think, no, I think that's fine.

[4:18:32] Trustee Rogers: Okay, and I also am supportive of this.

[4:18:35] Trustee Rogers: I think, thank you for the work from the planner

[4:18:37] Trustee Rogers: related to flagging all of these things.

[4:18:40] Trustee Rogers: This is an important step in understanding

[4:18:42] Trustee Rogers: that we've met the criteria of the Trust Policy Statement,

[4:18:45] Trustee Rogers: so I'll call the vote.

[4:18:47] Trustee Rogers: All in favor?

[4:18:48] Trustee Rogers: That passes unanimously.

[4:18:51] Voice 17: And then thirdly,

[4:18:54] Voice 17: that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee direct staff

[4:18:57] Voice 17: to seek a legal opinion

[4:18:59] Voice 17: on the updated rent structure proposal

[4:19:01] Voice 17: as provided by the applicant

[4:19:02] Voice 17: for consistency with the Galliano Island

[4:19:06] Voice 17: Official Community Plan number 108-1995.

[4:19:10] Trustee Rogers: And I'll second that.

[4:19:11] Trustee Rogers: Do you have any comments related to that?

[4:19:15] Voice 17: um no i mean i this i suppose if depending on how the legal opinion comes it could result in

[4:19:24] Voice 17: in requiring an ocp amendment but i so far it doesn't seem that it would trigger something

[4:19:31] Voice 17: like that yeah

[4:19:34] Trustee Rogers: um yes planner smith i

[4:19:37] Planner: don't mean to cut you off chair rogers if you want to finish

[4:19:40] Trustee Rogers: I was

[4:19:40] Trustee Rogers: just trying to

[4:19:41] Planner: say just so just to clarify, LTC are comfortable with the proposed scenarios in moving forward with because you could be not comfortable for any other reason other than the OCP consistency test.

[4:19:55] Planner: but what i'm hearing is that in your view this i think the the second two bullets also in your

[4:20:03] Planner: view meet that initial test for affordability uh with the the caveat that uh legal counsel

[4:20:10] Planner: will take a look at that is that okay second

[4:20:16] Trustee Rogers: two both yeah so yeah and i i remind it again that

[4:20:21] Trustee Rogers: but sorry, it's gotten dark while we've been here.

[4:20:24] Trustee Rogers: I got to turn the light on.

[4:20:28] Trustee Rogers: The OCP requires that the housing agreement

[4:20:35] Trustee Rogers: ensuring that for affordable housing,

[4:20:37] Trustee Rogers: the rental lease are fixed below average

[4:20:40] Trustee Rogers: within the region.

[4:20:42] Trustee Rogers: And I think those three options,

[4:20:45] Trustee Rogers: i think i think they they meet a number of the considerations we might have around affordability

[4:21:00] Trustee Rogers: they seem to but let's get a legal opinion they seem to fit the criteria because

[4:21:04] Trustee Rogers: they talk about

[4:21:04] Trustee Rogers: medium income

[4:21:05] Voice 16: as

[4:21:06] Trustee Rogers: opposed to as opposed to straight income or uh and the cmhc is is right

[4:21:14] Trustee Rogers: is below 80 of the published medium market rents so one of them's

[4:21:19] Trustee Rogers: a rental but it's 80

[4:21:20] Trustee Rogers: 80% of the market rent and it's 30, no,

[4:21:24] Trustee Rogers: a minimum of 30% will be rents below that.

[4:21:27] Trustee Rogers: And then the, of course, the deep subsidy one

[4:21:30] Trustee Rogers: from Building BC.

[4:21:31] Trustee Rogers: So I'm guessing that we'll see that this,

[4:21:35] Trustee Rogers: one of those three options will meet that

[4:21:38] Trustee Rogers: or all of those three options will hopefully meet that test.

[4:21:42] Trustee Rogers: So I've moved it, seconded, any further discussion?

[4:21:45] Trustee Rogers: I

[4:21:46] Voice 17: was just going to say that in 2016, the median household income on Galliano was around $24,000, $24,100.

[4:21:57] Voice 16: Now,

[4:21:58] Voice 17: we won't get income information for probably several more months from the census, but, you know, Galliano has always been actually fairly low income in comparison to the province.

[4:22:13] Voice 17: and

[4:22:13] Trustee Rogers: this is the southern Gulf Islands so yeah but so you get some you might get some skewing

[4:22:20] Trustee Rogers: upwards a little bit but uh it's probably uh reasonably close yeah um okay so there's been

[4:22:27] Trustee Rogers: a motion made in second all in favor that passed now you're ready to to move forward even though

[4:22:34] Trustee Rogers: we don't have enough uh a housing agreement even a draft or covenant even in draft so if you do

[4:22:41] Trustee Rogers: that which is fine i'm prepared to do that it's just going to have to wait until those documents

[4:22:46] Trustee Rogers: are ready right i

[4:22:49] Voice 17: think it's good to have um something you know uh that we're working toward

[4:22:55] Voice 17: and i mean this could be june uh you know and and i don't know i mean i guess i would ask planner

[4:23:03] Voice 17: or smith what what is uh given the complexity of the things that are being asked um on both the uh

[4:23:12] Voice 17: the section 219 and the um the where the housing agreement and the other the other covenant

[4:23:20] Voice 17: aspects is uh is june a realistic time to hold these or um i

[4:23:28] Planner: think that uh june is realistic

[4:23:33] Planner: July, June, July is very realistic. Yeah, I would think that with the respect to the covenant, we've done a lot of work to be ready to bring that forward. So that's practically ready. And as long as LTC agrees, and it will just be the, I guess the critical timeline there will be the lawyer, and when they can do it.

[4:23:55] Planner: as you've heard the septic piece is coming forward so presumably there will be a septic

[4:24:01] Planner: report to you soon that confirms they have an appropriate location and the housing agreement

[4:24:08] Planner: i think what i'm hearing today i'll seek that legal opinion with respect to consistency and

[4:24:15] Planner: and and look to enter the housing agreement piece for for funding the work to do that work

[4:24:23] Planner: and the covenant. But what I'm hearing is that LTC and the applicants are at this preliminary point

[4:24:33] Planner: prior to some legal advice to LTC in general agreement that these three approaches are a

[4:24:43] Planner: reasonable basis for a prescriptive housing agreement that would enable any one of these

[4:24:51] Planner: three approaches to occur and um that's a big step forward so i think the next step in that

[4:24:58] Planner: uh assuming legal counsel uh uh says you have consistency would be to uh quickly engage in that

[4:25:08] Planner: housing agreement drafting i i would think that could be done in the next couple months as well

[4:25:13] Planner: i mean we're only early february here so june's quite a ways away still

[4:25:18] Planner: so

[4:25:20] Trustee Rogers: if you want to make that motion that's fine i'm just giving you i mean at this point it really

[4:25:26] Trustee Rogers: is just signaling um to the community that you're you're planning it because we can't go at least in

[4:25:33] Trustee Rogers: my mind we can't go until we have sort of these documents before us that we're ready to take out

[4:25:38] Trustee Rogers: to the community so but if you

[4:25:39] Trustee Rogers: want to if you want to make that motion that's fine okay

[4:25:43] Voice 17: i would move

[4:25:44] Voice 17: that um ltc directs staff to set um a cim and public hearing uh um conditional hey

[4:25:57] Trustee Rogers: conditional

[4:25:58] Trustee Rogers: we

[4:25:59] Planner: had a very similar resolution in the last uh we

[4:26:04] Trustee Rogers: did i was not going to tell her that but

[4:26:07] Trustee Rogers: but um oh

[4:26:09] Voice 17: in the last oh i see in

[4:26:11] Trustee Rogers: the window that

[4:26:12] Voice 17: i'm not part of the

[4:26:13] Planner: wording could be used the same

[4:26:15] Planner: yeah

[4:26:15] Trustee Rogers: carly can you read that motion back the one from sure

[4:26:18] Voice 19: it was direct staff to schedule a

[4:26:20] Voice 19: separate community information meeting and public hearing conditional upon receipt of an affordable

[4:26:25] Voice 19: housing agreement maybe a septic report in this case and a section 219 covenant to the satisfaction

[4:26:31] Voice 19: section of staff yes

[4:26:35] Voice 17: i'll make that motion okay

[4:26:37] Trustee Rogers: yeah it's slightly different uh because there's

[4:26:40] Trustee Rogers: some outstanding things and the other

[4:26:41] Trustee Rogers: thing that aren't here and there's something outstanding

[4:26:43] Trustee Rogers: here that's not outstanding there's yeah

[4:26:45] Trustee Rogers: i'll second that uh as i said uh you know that's fine

[4:26:50] Trustee Rogers: as long as it's single we've given it first reading now and so uh we can either give it

[4:26:56] Trustee Rogers: second reading or do the public hearing before the second reading and do it afterwards it's really

[4:27:00] Trustee Rogers: sort of this six and a half six one half dozen others so um thank you i think you've made the

[4:27:06] Trustee Rogers: case for that you're willing to do that do you have any further commentary i'll call the vote

[4:27:13] Voice 17: i would just say you know i mean it it is conditional upon having that those pieces

[4:27:18] Voice 17: and if those pieces aren't ready then we would have to reschedule or

[4:27:24] Trustee Rogers: it won't get scheduled if

[4:27:25] Trustee Rogers: it doesn't look like

[4:27:26] Trustee Rogers: they're going to be ready if there's some if there's some issues that arise

[4:27:31] Trustee Rogers: uh then unless the ltc reconsiders and says no we want to go ahead anyway

[4:27:36] Voice 17: um

[4:27:37] Trustee Rogers: because even if staff's not content uh and i'm sure that uh planner smith will bring that back

[4:27:43] Trustee Rogers: and i just want to say um it's it's it's uh it's great that so many things have been addressed in

[4:27:50] Trustee Rogers: I remember when we got this application a number of the reports were already there so

[4:27:56] Trustee Rogers: it was good and I know you I know they were working with the planner for a few months before

[4:28:02] Trustee Rogers: they actually arrived here to get those things so it's it's great okay okay all in favor that

[4:28:09] Trustee Rogers: passes unanimously is there anything further related to this okay thank you very much Mr.

[4:28:14] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Homo, Ms. Grihan, and Ada Kutich,

[4:28:19] Trustee Rogers: and appreciate your attendance and your information.

[4:28:23] Trustee Rogers: Could we get Trustee Rockinpeller back?

[4:28:28] Trustee Rogers: We have to make some decisions about what we're going to do

[4:28:31] Trustee Rogers: because we have some time constraints

[4:28:34] Trustee Rogers: that are quickly approaching.

[4:28:38] Trustee Rogers: And I was just opening up the in-camera,

[4:28:42] Trustee Rogers: I'm trying to figure out if it's time sensitive,

[4:28:44] Trustee Rogers: and I think it is, but I can't remember to be honest.

[4:28:49] Voice 17: Yeah, I believe it is, but maybe it could be in RWM.

[4:28:57] Voice 17: I don't know.

[4:28:59] Voice 14: Maybe, but yeah,

[4:29:09] Trustee Rogers: yeah.

[4:29:10] Trustee Rogers: We should probably leave a couple of minutes for that.

[4:29:13] Trustee Rogers: It won't take long.

[4:29:16] Trustee Rogers: So as soon as trustee Wolverton's back,

[4:29:18] Trustee Rogers: oh, sorry, trustee Rockefeller.

[4:29:20] Trustee Rogers: so um so we finished those so i think we can move very quickly through 13-3 and 13-4

[4:29:30] Trustee Rogers: uh did i did these are referrals from salt spring does anybody have any commentary related to them

[4:29:36] Trustee Rogers: okay can we have a couple of motions that our interests are unaffected

[4:29:40] Trustee Rogers: or that's at page 128 sorry 114 and 121 interesting rezoning applications but I

[4:29:52] Trustee Rogers: don't think

[4:29:52] Trustee Rogers: they affect Galliano go ahead

[4:30:00] Voice 17: I'm just trying to see which one I would I would move that or that Galeano Local Trust Committee's

[4:30:08] Voice 17: interests are unaffected by bylaw number 521 Salt Spring Island Trust Area.

[4:30:14] Trustee Rogers: Okay is there a

[4:30:15] Trustee Rogers: seconder to that? Okay any discussion? No I'll call the vote so that passes and the second one

[4:30:24] Trustee Rogers: 526.

[4:30:29] Voice 17: I would move that Galleon Local Island Trust Committee's interests are unaffected by

[4:30:35] Voice 17: bylaw number 526 Salt Spring Island Trust.

[4:30:40] Trustee Rogers: Seconded. Any discussion? All in favor? That

[4:30:43] Trustee Rogers: passes unanimously. Thank you. Okay, we're at the Local Trust Committee projects. We have the

[4:30:48] Trustee Rogers: fees bylaw here and that's a page 128 this was before us before the project of

[4:30:56] Trustee Rogers: the regional planning committee and I guess trustees are you prepared to deal

[4:31:02] Trustee Rogers: with this

[4:31:03] Voice 16: I

[4:31:04] Trustee Rogers: nobody commented on it in the public I don't know if you're

[4:31:08] Trustee Rogers: receiving any commentary then someone want to make some motions go ahead dear

[4:31:12] Voice 17: look

[4:31:14] Voice 20: I would move that the Galeano Island local trust committee by law

[4:31:17] Voice 20: bylaw number 281 cited as Galliano Island Local Trust Committee's fee bylaw 2021 be given first reading.

[4:31:24] Voice 20: Is

[4:31:24] Trustee Rogers: there a seconder? Okay, all in favor?

[4:31:28] Trustee Rogers: Passes unanimously, go ahead.

[4:31:31] Voice 20: Moved that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 281 cited as Galliano Island Local Trust Committee fees bylaw 2021 be given second reading.

[4:31:39] Trustee Rogers: Okay, any discussion? All in favor?

[4:31:43] Trustee Rogers: That passes.

[4:31:47] Voice 20: Oh, sorry, I'm happy. No, Jane, it's okay.

[4:31:51] Voice 20: that's good okay

[4:31:52] Voice 17: the galleon island local trust committee by the number 281 that it is galliano

[4:31:57] Voice 17: island local trust committee fees by law 2021 be given third reading okay

[4:32:02] Trustee Rogers: uh seconded all in favor

[4:32:04] Trustee Rogers: and then the last motion that passes unanimously that

[4:32:08] Voice 17: the galliano island local committee

[4:32:12] Voice 17: bylaw number 281 cited as galliano island local trust committee he's by law 2021 he forwarded to

[4:32:18] Voice 17: from the secretary of the executive committee okay and

[4:32:23] Trustee Rogers: all in favor thank you very much so

[4:32:27] Trustee Rogers: that's done the next thing we've got on page 136 and i guess my question for you for the trustees

[4:32:33] Trustee Rogers: is uh do you want to um hold this over till the next meeting because you want to talk about it

[4:32:41] Trustee Rogers: a little bit or yes i'm seeing nods i

[4:32:44] Voice 17: i think so um i just one thing that i was going to be

[4:32:48] Voice 17: asking about is cook road because cook road goes through lot 87 and uh is the only access to thera

[4:32:59] Voice 17: right and there's been a lot of debate about whether it's a public road or not a public road

[4:33:04] Voice 17: and that would we would need to address it in some way okay

[4:33:09] Trustee Rogers: so uh you can either just endorse the

[4:33:12] Trustee Rogers: uh and and uh all this is to endorse the project charter as opposed to right okay

[4:33:18] Trustee Rogers: we can do that

[4:33:19] Trustee Rogers: and ask them to begin working on it

[4:33:23] Trustee Rogers: or we can defer to next meeting.

[4:33:25] Trustee Rogers: It's up to you guys.

[4:33:26] Voice 20: I'd like to make the motion.

[4:33:28] Voice 20: We don't have a lot of time left to do a project

[4:33:30] Voice 20: and it seems like we have a really tight project charter here.

[4:33:33] Voice 20: So I would make a motion if that was acceptable.

[4:33:38] Trustee Rogers: Absolutely.

[4:33:39] Voice 20: I move that the Galliano Local Trust Committee

[4:33:43] Voice 20: A endorse the attached district lot DL64, 68, 72

[4:33:47] Voice 20: and 87 rezoning project charter

[4:33:49] Voice 20: and associated scope of work timelines and budget and be direct staff to begin working on district

[4:33:55] Voice 20: law at dl 68 64 or sorry 64 68 72 and 87 rezoning project deliverables for

[4:34:03] Trustee Rogers: secondary thanks yeah

[4:34:05] Trustee Rogers: thanks it's very interesting i the only thing i wanted to say is i wish these were all contiguous

[4:34:09] Trustee Rogers: lots well

[4:34:11] Voice 20: yeah and i wanted to say that i think it's a really i really appreciate um putting

[4:34:15] Voice 20: everything potentially moving everything into their respective zones to reflect better reflect

[4:34:20] Voice 20: and be consistent with our plan and also to support the galleon conservancy it was a really

[4:34:25] Voice 20: lucky opportunity so

[4:34:27] Trustee Rogers: yeah so that's that's great any further discussion related to that thank you

[4:34:31] Trustee Rogers: for this brad and thank you for putting it together so quickly for us um it's a nice nice to

[4:34:36] Trustee Rogers: work on um projects like this so anyway if there's nothing further i'll call the vote all in favor

[4:34:42] Trustee Rogers: However, that passes unanimously.

[4:34:44] Trustee Rogers: Okay, quickly work program reports.

[4:34:48] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything related to the work program report

[4:34:50] Trustee Rogers: that we want to address?

[4:34:52] Trustee Rogers: That's the page 148 of the agenda.

[4:34:57] Trustee Rogers: Shows us with just the ground water sustainability

[4:35:02] Trustee Rogers: and this rezoning we just approved on our agenda

[4:35:05] Trustee Rogers: for as projects.

[4:35:07] Trustee Rogers: Good and nothing else.

[4:35:09] Trustee Rogers: Then we'll go the applications report.

[4:35:11] Trustee Rogers: any questions related to any of the applications

[4:35:13] Trustee Rogers: that are outstanding?

[4:35:15] Trustee Rogers: Not seeing any, we'll move through that.

[4:35:17] Trustee Rogers: We have an expense report at page 156, sorry.

[4:35:26] Voice 14: Yes,

[4:35:27] Trustee Rogers: 156 showing our expenses, that's for information.

[4:35:35] Trustee Rogers: We have our adopted policies and standing resolutions.

[4:35:38] Trustee Rogers: and then we have the Islands Trust Conservancy Report,

[4:35:42] Trustee Rogers: which is here for our information.

[4:35:44] Trustee Rogers: Then I encourage everybody in the,

[4:35:48] Trustee Rogers: that reads this to read this,

[4:35:50] Trustee Rogers: the Conservancy is doing some really amazing things.

[4:35:53] Trustee Rogers: And it's always, it's really the shining star

[4:35:59] Trustee Rogers: of the trust in many ways.

[4:36:01] Trustee Rogers: So it's great.

[4:36:02] Trustee Rogers: 16.1 is the Shoreline Protection Model By-law Report.

[4:36:08] Trustee Rogers: uh briefing uh can i suggest we just receive it at this point uh unless someone wants to take any

[4:36:14] Trustee Rogers: specific action on it right or ask to be brought back to the next meeting yeah

[4:36:18] Voice 17: i'd like to bring

[4:36:19] Voice 17: it have it brought back to the next meeting and and uh so that we can talk about um one of the

[4:36:25] Voice 17: recommendations about uh a heritage commission okay

[4:36:28] Trustee Rogers: oh that okay then can uh can we move that

[4:36:32] Trustee Rogers: that request staff that shoreline protection model

[4:36:37] Trustee Rogers: that bylaw report be received

[4:36:40] Trustee Rogers: and brought back to the next LTC meeting.

[4:36:43] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so that's trustee Wilberton made that.

[4:36:46] Trustee Rogers: I'm sure you got that Carly, seconded any discussion

[4:36:49] Trustee Rogers: all in favor that passes.

[4:36:51] Trustee Rogers: Letter of support to the Galliano Health.

[4:36:54] Trustee Rogers: I'm sorry, I know I didn't get the rest of the name.

[4:36:57] Trustee Rogers: So what's that?

[4:36:58] Trustee Rogers: Yeah,

[4:37:00] Voice 17: it's the support for the Galeano Health Center urgent primary care proposal.

[4:37:06] Voice 17: They're asking that, and they've given a sample letter, asking for our support for their applications.

[4:37:15] Voice 17: They'll be seeking funding in order to upgrade or raise the level of our service.

[4:37:25] Voice 17: So there's funding that's available now from the BC Association of Community Health Centers.

[4:37:33] Voice 17: So they've written to us to request our written support and potential participation in this application.

[4:37:43] Trustee Rogers: Okay. Do you want to make a motion for that effect?

[4:37:48] Trustee Rogers: fact yeah

[4:37:49] Voice 17: i would move that the galliano local island trust committee write a letter of support

[4:37:55] Voice 17: um regarding the galliano health care center uh health care center's application

[4:38:02] Voice 17: for designation as a community health center urgent primary care site okay

[4:38:09] Trustee Rogers: let me see how

[4:38:10] Trustee Rogers: much of that carly got i

[4:38:14] Voice 19: got it thanks chair

[4:38:15] Trustee Rogers: okay um is there a seconder okay any discussion

[4:38:21] Trustee Rogers: that will be I assume you'll draft that it can go out on my signature but someone I assume you

[4:38:27] Trustee Rogers: can draft that it's

[4:38:29] Voice 17: they have a draft a sample I can I can add to it and send it to you if you

[4:38:35] Trustee Rogers: like and then we can get we can get it out through the advocacy group okay so yeah if you could do

[4:38:42] Trustee Rogers: that I'll leave that in your hands because I don't know the issue well enough to draft something this

[4:38:46] Trustee Rogers: time so all in favor of that motion that passes unanimously our next regular meeting scheduled

[4:38:53] Trustee Rogers: for march 7 at 2022 at the south community hall galliano island um so trustees we are literally

[4:39:03] Trustee Rogers: five minutes from when the planner has to leave a hard stop at 5 15 um i am uh wondering this is

[4:39:12] Trustee Rogers: where we have your a secondary town hall i am usually willing to let people speak but what do

[4:39:19] Trustee Rogers: you what's your your druthers i'm not quite sure how logistically we would do it uh and still go

[4:39:25] Trustee Rogers: in camera um in fact i'm uh so i'm not sure are you okay with just uh i see there's one hand up

[4:39:32] Trustee Rogers: up already um from uh mr ryback and from carmica um i i i think brad has to leave uh but if we do

[4:39:44] Trustee Rogers: that we can't go and i don't think we can go in camera i brad can probably leave and i can shut

[4:39:50] Trustee Rogers: the meeting down but i don't think we can go on camera uh i don't know how to i guess well i guess

[4:39:56] Trustee Rogers: i could stop the recording i don't know i'm sure um what's your druthers that it's not it's not a

[4:40:03] Trustee Rogers: requirement that we have a town hall but we if you'd like to then we we're gonna have to let

[4:40:08] Trustee Rogers: brad leave yeah

[4:40:10] Voice 17: it looks like there are only two two people wanting to well

[4:40:12] Trustee Rogers: i haven't asked yet i

[4:40:13] Trustee Rogers: haven't invited people yet all

[4:40:15] Voice 17: right okay um the in-camera matters can probably wait till march

[4:40:21] Voice 17: 7th i think well

[4:40:24] Trustee Rogers: it's the appointment of apc so yeah um i mean is the apc got anything on its

[4:40:29] Trustee Rogers: plate not

[4:40:30] Voice 17: between now and then i don't

[4:40:32] Trustee Rogers: think to

[4:40:34] Voice 17: hear it you know uh i don't know it didn't work

[4:40:39] Trustee Rogers: on cms it uh it i don't think either of the either of the well i know it it does it doesn't

[4:40:48] Voice 20: have giggers

[4:40:48] Trustee Rogers: and i don't think it has galley i don't think it has anything on it

[4:40:51] Voice 20: only value i

[4:40:52] Voice 20: could see in appointing them sooner was they could get more familiarized with apc before having um

[4:40:58] Voice 20: I'll

[4:40:59] Trustee Rogers: tell you what I'll do is if we're prepared to do that and the planner leaves, then I can, and we only have a couple of commentary, we can do that and then we can, I can ask whether we can do it by RWM or just leave it till March the 7th, if there's nothing on the agenda.

[4:41:20] Trustee Rogers: Okay. So that's great. So thanks, Planner Smith. I know you have to leave. We're going to go into a quick town hall. So if anybody wishes to speak, we hope you can be brief. And we've had a long day as I'm sure you have. So thank you. If we can go over to Stephen Ryback, please.

[4:41:41] Planner: Thank you, Chair Rogers. Have a good afternoon, everyone.

[4:41:43] Trustee Rogers: I'll call you in the next day or so.

[4:41:45] Trustee Rogers: Sounds good. Thanks, Chair Rogers.

[4:41:48] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[4:41:48] Trustee Rogers: Bye, everyone.

[4:41:49] Planner: Bye.

[4:41:50] Trustee Rogers: Go ahead, Stephen.

[4:41:52] Voice 3: Thank you, Chair Rogers.

[4:41:54] Voice 3: I think I may have an answer as to what has happened to your letter to Rogers Communications regarding the installation of antennas.

[4:42:04] Voice 3: I don't know if you're going to be getting a response because I've been advised this afternoon that Rogers Communications has already installed the antennas on the tower.

[4:42:18] Voice 16: There you go.

[4:42:19] Voice 3: Oh,

[4:42:20] Trustee Rogers: okay. Well, that's interesting information.

[4:42:27] Trustee Rogers: And I guess we'll be doing something to let them know our displeasure that

[4:42:32] Trustee Rogers: they didn't get back to us. They, he never, he didn't,

[4:42:37] Trustee Rogers: I checked it went out on December 17th.

[4:42:40] Trustee Rogers: And so 10 days after that,

[4:42:43] Trustee Rogers: and I've asked that it be put up on the webpage, but it's okay.

[4:42:49] Trustee Rogers: Well, thanks for the information.

[4:42:50] Trustee Rogers: um we could uh unless there's some comment from anybody else the trustees i'm going to move to

[4:42:57] Trustee Rogers: carnita when so go ahead

[4:42:59] Trustee Rogers: go ahead go ahead trust me when

[4:43:01] Voice 17: was this installed or do you know i don't

[4:43:06] Voice 3: know when exactly but i received a report this afternoon from a neighbor

[4:43:10] Voice 17: okay well

[4:43:13] Trustee Rogers: i guess i'll

[4:43:14] Trustee Rogers: you know what i'll i'll try and follow up uh to my my email and my sorry with the letter because

[4:43:21] Trustee Rogers: because that's, so that's another thing on my list of to-dos.

[4:43:26] Voice 16: Yes.

[4:43:30] Trustee Rogers: Okay,

[4:43:31] Voice 14: Carmita, Ms. Meinhardt.

[4:43:39] Voice 15: Hello?

[4:43:40] Voice 14: Hello, yes, we can hear you.

[4:43:41] Voice 7: Trustee Wolverton will have to leave.

[4:43:47] Voice 7: Why

[4:43:47] Trustee Rogers: don't you leave, but come back,

[4:43:49] Trustee Rogers: we can have a bit of a brief commentary afterwards.

[4:43:55] Trustee Rogers: Yes, go ahead, Carmita.

[4:43:56] Voice 7: Yes, the first thing that I will ask you is,

[4:43:59] Voice 7: there is so much pressure for you to do this thing very quickly

[4:44:03] Voice 7: because of the election, because of the interest,

[4:44:07] Voice 7: the application to pass quickly the rezoning.

[4:44:11] Voice 7: But the thing that this building, if it's built,

[4:44:14] Voice 7: will be here for a long time.

[4:44:17] Voice 7: They will have positive impact and negative impact.

[4:44:21] Voice 7: But I don't think, because from the beginning,

[4:44:25] Voice 7: there was this rushing you that you have to do it for one reason

[4:44:29] Voice 7: on and the other quickly, quickly.

[4:44:31] Voice 7: And now it's because of the election.

[4:44:33] Voice 7: And I think they are so important

[4:44:35] Voice 7: because it's something new for the island.

[4:44:39] Voice 7: So I think the Russian is not good.

[4:44:42] Voice 7: The second one that I think is not only important

[4:44:45] Voice 7: in the agreement, housing agreement,

[4:44:49] Voice 7: the maximum income limit, but also the lower one,

[4:44:54] Voice 7: like for the deep subsidy units.

[4:44:58] Voice 7: And I look that for busy housing, for less than two bedrooms, a person who has an all-age pension and supplement is $19,813.

[4:45:12] Voice 7: So you have to think there has to be a unit for that.

[4:45:17] Voice 7: And for more than two bedrooms and three persons, it's $26,400.

[4:45:25] Voice 7: And this is 2021.

[4:45:26] Voice 7: So try to, the idea is, okay, they bring you a maximum income, but it has to be a minimum.

[4:45:34] Voice 7: It has to be a unit for these people.

[4:45:38] Voice 7: And the third thing is with respect to 442.

[4:45:45] Voice 7: It's an important policy directive because it refers to water.

[4:45:49] Voice 7: And, Chair Rosher, you pass a motion saying that you don't really know what is the area,

[4:45:59] Voice 7: what does it mean, how big or small is the area.

[4:46:02] Voice 7: You have seen this already in Gabriola, when you have the applications for affordable housing.

[4:46:10] Voice 7: At least you could think that area is the strata, that some of them, they are less than

[4:46:16] Voice 7: a block from the project.

[4:46:18] Voice 7: And this one has shown problem with the water.

[4:46:23] Voice 7: So the idea is, I think, basically, what do we understand by known problems, problems with the water quantity?

[4:46:35] Voice 7: That, I think, is the basic thing.

[4:46:40] Voice 7: Because you receive this letter where they show you there has been problem with the water in that area.

[4:46:47] Voice 7: Even if you don't want to consider the CRD, our communal stick allison system, you just want to go closer to the project.

[4:46:59] Voice 7: So why these are non-water problems?

[4:47:04] Voice 7: It's something logical.

[4:47:08] Trustee Rogers: Well, I tried to answer your question and obviously did not do a very good job of convincing you or suggesting to you what my theory was about 4.4.2.

[4:47:18] Trustee Rogers: and why i thought that that we could decide that it was satisfied and of course trustee

[4:47:25] Trustee Rogers: rockefeller also thought it was satisfied um we don't have to agree and uh so i hear you i i want

[4:47:34] Trustee Rogers: to just comment on your comment about about rushing rushing if

[4:47:39] Voice 16: i

[4:47:40] Trustee Rogers: could because of course

[4:47:42] Trustee Rogers: it's all a matter of the lens and the filter that you look at it we're what we're often told about

[4:47:48] Trustee Rogers: and we get a lot of this is how slow and ponderous we are.

[4:47:52] Trustee Rogers: I was thinking, as we were being suggested,

[4:47:55] Trustee Rogers: we take bold actions.

[4:47:57] Trustee Rogers: I said, well, we don't want to rush in

[4:47:58] Trustee Rogers: where it's a broad thing to go.

[4:48:01] Trustee Rogers: I don't think we've rushed this application.

[4:48:05] Trustee Rogers: We have worked through it in a deliberate

[4:48:10] Trustee Rogers: and thoughtful and considerate manner.

[4:48:13] Trustee Rogers: And we will continue to do that as we go.

[4:48:15] Trustee Rogers: if for some reason it got finished this term um and we passed the rezoning granted that there was

[4:48:24] Trustee Rogers: a six-month hiatus uh that would be two and a half years uh of consideration and and and i know

[4:48:34] Trustee Rogers: that the applicants going exactly the why is it takes so long and a lot of people would say that

[4:48:39] Trustee Rogers: So I don't accept that we've rushed it.

[4:48:42] Voice 7: No, no, no, no.

[4:48:43] Voice 7: I am not saying that you did rush it.

[4:48:46] Voice 7: I say that at this moment for what I saw today,

[4:48:49] Voice 7: it was so much pressure

[4:48:51] Voice 7: on that.

[4:48:52] Voice 7: It's not a reason at all about before.

[4:48:55] Trustee Rogers: People come and they say, get on with it.

[4:48:58] Trustee Rogers: And I think that's fair comment.

[4:49:00] Trustee Rogers: And I think it's fair comment when someone says, be careful.

[4:49:03] Trustee Rogers: So thank you for your commentary.

[4:49:05] Trustee Rogers: care um and thank you again for your letters that we have received yeah

[4:49:11] Voice 7: yeah

[4:49:13] Trustee Rogers: yes i finished

[4:49:15] Voice 7: thank you thank you you must be so tired also

[4:49:18] Trustee Rogers: we're good uh carmina sorry roger uh i see your

[4:49:24] Voice 14: hand up so i know

[4:49:31] Voice 31: you have a lot of uh pressure to uh rush these things through and i know you

[4:49:39] Voice 31: have a lot of pressure not to approve it but uh they have uh to suggest that uh you know that you

[4:49:52] Voice 31: have to consider something for years and years and years like like uh affordable housing has been uh

[4:50:00] Voice 31: treated on this island like you go back to the first application and that's a long time ago and

[4:50:07] Voice 31: And to think that we can't get affordable housing built on this island, we've been trying for 20 years, and there's still not a, other than the old age housing that we have,

[4:50:28] Voice 31: that was built prior to, you know, quite a, I can't remember exactly how many years ago,

[4:50:34] Voice 31: but it's a long time ago that that's the some in substance of affordable housing we just have to

[4:50:42] Voice 31: get uh some affordable housing on this island every i i don't know how many kids this last year

[4:50:51] Voice 31: have come here wanting to work and then having to leave because of housing i mean it's it's

[4:50:58] Voice 31: It's tremendous.

[4:50:59] Voice 31: And I know that the statistics support that.

[4:51:04] Voice 31: I mean, we just don't have affordable housing.

[4:51:08] Voice 31: You should see how people are living.

[4:51:11] Trustee Rogers: Roger, I think we've all said that we acknowledge that that's true.

[4:51:15] Trustee Rogers: But

[4:51:16] Voice 31: acknowledgement is not good enough.

[4:51:18] Voice 31: It's time to get something done.

[4:51:20] Voice 31: And I don't think that most of the people in Galliano are going to say you've done a good job this term if nothing is done on that front.

[4:51:33] Voice 31: We've had it.

[4:51:34] Voice 31: You know, I've had it.

[4:51:38] Voice 31: And I'll certainly, you know, like the big thing going into the election last term was affordable housing.

[4:51:46] Voice 31: Both candidates that we have today in office said they support it and they were going to get something done.

[4:51:54] Voice 31: And we still we don't have it. We're not going to get it.

[4:51:59] Voice 31: It's not going to be both of these products.

[4:52:02] Voice 31: Projects are not going to be completed within this term.

[4:52:07] Voice 31: There's I doubt if one gets completed and then we start all over again in another term.

[4:52:14] Voice 31: and another four years go by and still nothing gets done you know when's enough and is enough

[4:52:21] Voice 31: you know there's all the duplication that took place this term on study after study why in the

[4:52:28] Voice 31: hell did they have what arborist study that's a new one you know like i mean such ridiculous things

[4:52:34] Voice 31: come out my

[4:52:35] Trustee Rogers: roger i don't know why

[4:52:36] Trustee Rogers: why we're going down this rabbit hole right now i mean

[4:52:39] Trustee Rogers: The Arborist study

[4:52:40] Trustee Rogers: was recommended by the environmental study, and so they did it.

[4:52:51] Trustee Rogers: So we've done that, and we've done it on both of the locations. Now,

[4:52:55] Trustee Rogers: they can't be duplication because they're separate applications, separate locations.

[4:52:59] Voice 31: Yeah, of course they have to be separate, but we're running out of patients.

[4:53:06] Voice 31: I mean, certainly a good number of people on this island, and we're

[4:53:13] Trustee Rogers: running out of patience.

[4:53:14] Voice 5: Okay.

[4:53:14] Trustee Rogers: I don't know what more you would have wanted us to do today than we actually did.

[4:53:18] Voice 31: Well, today you had a tough, you know, that problem is a tough problem.

[4:53:27] Voice 31: But I don't know, I don't know what the solution is.

[4:53:31] Voice 31: it looks like they're closer on the on the other application the second application i don't know

[4:53:38] Voice 31: but anyway i i don't envy you your your uh job but you have to do your job that's all i have

[4:53:47] Voice 31: to say like and then you guys come with uh come through with 15 over two year uh uh tax increases

[4:53:58] Voice 31: and this kind of thing increasing

[4:53:59] Trustee Rogers: staff and so on i don't know you know

[4:54:02] Trustee Rogers: what you know what i'm not

[4:54:03] Trustee Rogers: if you want to have a discussion about the budget there's no 15 tax increases a 15 budget increase

[4:54:09] Trustee Rogers: that has has uh uh that that that has been mostly funded by grants that we've managed to get through

[4:54:17] Trustee Rogers: the conservancy and through the organization that the your taxes have gone uh well i don't want to

[4:54:23] Trustee Rogers: I don't want people to get mad at me, but I urge you to look at the tax increases and how much of your taxes are actually Island's Trust and how much actually relates to the planning work and how much has that gone up.

[4:54:36] Trustee Rogers: My first six years as a trustee, we had 0% increases.

[4:54:41] Trustee Rogers: Five years as a trustee,

[4:54:42] Voice 31: we had 0,

[4:54:43] Trustee Rogers: 0, 0, 0, and 0, and then we had a 2, and the last year was a bit more, and this year is a bit more, too.

[4:54:50] Trustee Rogers: well

[4:54:51] Voice 31: the biggest thing on my my tax bill is audience trust so uh well i i'm

[4:54:57] Voice 31: a farm so i

[4:54:58] Voice 31: don't pay as much tax as that average person ah there you go

[4:55:03] Trustee Rogers: it's

[4:55:04] Voice 31: 11 it's

[4:55:06] Trustee Rogers: 11 percent on my

[4:55:07] Trustee Rogers: on my tax bill yeah okay

[4:55:09] Trustee Rogers: anyway thanks roger yeah sorry

[4:55:12] Trustee Rogers: that's okay it's i know everybody

[4:55:15] Trustee Rogers: gets frustrated from time to time and even i do too you heard me get frustrated a couple times

[4:55:19] Trustee Rogers: day um thanks

[4:55:21] Trustee Rogers: very much i don't see any other hands up so thank you very much can trustee

[4:55:24] Trustee Rogers: wolverton come back so we can can she come back so we can say good night um and then i can stop

[4:55:31] Trustee Rogers: and i can uh let the meeting conclude but i think i'd like her here if we possibly can

[4:55:42] Voice 14: or does she do you think she just disappeared um

[4:55:45] Voice 15: so

[4:55:50] Trustee Rogers: um thank you we didn't get to our closed

[4:55:54] Trustee Rogers: meeting we're going to defer that till then um and so we're not going to do that and uh

[4:56:01] Trustee Rogers: and therefore we're there's no other hands there she is do either of you have anything further

[4:56:06] Trustee Rogers: you'd like to um to say to or to comment on before we end the meeting

[4:56:12] Voice 17: are we in camera now

[4:56:14] Voice 17: no

[4:56:15] Trustee Rogers: we're out we're no we're not we're still live we

[4:56:18] Voice 17: just finished the

[4:56:18] Trustee Rogers: town we just finished the

[4:56:19] Trustee Rogers: town hall um

[4:56:21] Voice 17: i just looked at the in-camera agenda there's just one item and it's just a really

[4:56:26] Voice 17: quick one i don't know if we want to go ahead or i

[4:56:29] Trustee Rogers: don't know if we can go in camera

[4:56:32] Trustee Rogers: maybe we can can we do that um uh have you still got ability to do that um uh there she is robin

[4:56:46] Trustee Rogers: i can't hear you i'm sorry robin

[4:56:50] Voice 15: it's

[4:56:53] Voice 14: kind of broken up i can't hear it all your mic's not

[4:56:58] Trustee Rogers: working we could do it by rwm no you're right it could it'll take two minutes if someone wants to

[4:57:05] Trustee Rogers: read the motion so thank you very much everyone for for joining us today nice i hopefully our

[4:57:10] Trustee Rogers: next meeting is march 7th hopefully i'll be on galliano for that we're going to go in camera

[4:57:15] Trustee Rogers: if we have do we have two you still have two minutes robin i can't hear you your mic's not

[4:57:22] Trustee Rogers: working um so uh thank you very much could someone read the motion to go on camera

[4:57:36] Trustee Rogers: i'll do it then the meeting be closed to public in accordance with community charter division

[4:57:40] Trustee Rogers: four part four division three section 91 ad for the purpose of considering adoption of in-camera

[4:57:46] Trustee Rogers: minute meeting it's an appointment of apc members members and that the recorder and

[4:57:50] Trustee Rogers: staff attend the meeting is there a seconder for that okay all in favor

[4:57:55] Trustee Rogers: thanks we're going to close so we can stop the broadcast and you can stop the recording