Islands Trust Council regular meeting, March 10, 2022

[0:00:18] Voice 15: many generations

[0:00:19] Voice 12: of people, Coast Salish people that have been here since the beginning of time

[0:00:24] Voice 12: or time immemorial and grateful for that. I'm going to dispense with introductions just to

[0:00:37] Voice 12: save us some time and we'll begin. I want to thank everybody for, I'm sure, the conversations that

[0:00:44] Voice 12: have happened in small groups in the last 12 hours and i particularly want to thank the staff for the

[0:00:54] Voice 12: work that they have also been doing through the night into the early hours of the morning

[0:01:01] Voice 12: to assist us in our decision making here and so i just will reflect that we have quite a bit of

[0:01:11] Voice 12: business here scheduled today we may or may not get through it a lot a lot of it maybe maybe we

[0:01:18] Voice 12: don't need to um and we can uh uh dispense with it at this time and return with it in june um

[0:01:27] Voice 12: we have a tabled motion on a proposal for a budget um we also have a deferred uh motion with respect

[0:01:38] Voice 12: respect to a governance committee. And certainly we need to adopt a budget today. That's the

[0:01:46] Voice 12: mission. We're obligated to do that unless we're planning on having another meeting before the end

[0:01:51] Voice 12: of March, which I don't think is in anybody's interest, but would be necessary. There's not

[0:02:03] Voice 12: Not any immediate hurry, I think, anyway, to actually move towards doing the governance thing.

[0:02:10] Voice 12: But certainly that's something that we're all interested in.

[0:02:13] Voice 12: But it too could wait if there's insufficient time.

[0:02:17] Voice 12: But it is a process where we'd have to nominate, create ballots, vote, count votes.

[0:02:23] Voice 12: It's a 20-minute process.

[0:02:27] Voice 12: So with that, without any further ado, let's move back into the budget where we left off yesterday.

[0:02:32] Voice 12: today. And what I'd like to do is I'd like to ask the CAO to kick us off and tell us what

[0:02:41] Voice 12: they were doing till the wee hours of the morning and in preparation for this meeting here today.

[0:02:49] Voice 12: So, CAO Hudson-Pillard, good morning, sir. Thank you very much for you and your service. And Julia,

[0:02:54] Voice 12: thank you for your service and everybody

[0:02:57] Voice 14: else. Well, good morning. Thanks very much. Yeah,

[0:03:01] Voice 14: Yeah, we've taken a look at what you left

[0:03:04] Voice 14: in terms of the direction that you left

[0:03:07] Voice 14: as trust counsel with regards to the budget.

[0:03:09] Voice 14: And if I can summarize,

[0:03:10] Voice 14: it's to take the representation by Trustee Brent

[0:03:15] Voice 14: as a discussion piece

[0:03:17] Voice 14: and for staff to review that document

[0:03:19] Voice 14: and go through it in a line-by-line basis

[0:03:23] Voice 14: and come back with some analysis.

[0:03:25] Voice 14: And we have done that.

[0:03:27] Voice 14: And I think what we're going to provide to you

[0:03:31] Voice 14: over the next 15 minutes 20 minutes honors the um the substance of what that proposal is and then

[0:03:38] Voice 14: leaves you with some of the decisions associated with um where you want to end up in terms of the

[0:03:45] Voice 14: bottom line that being said um there are some assumptions that are built into this and julie

[0:03:53] Voice 14: and i are going to work together as we present this over the next few minutes so if i could ask

[0:03:58] Voice 14: I'll ask Lori to put this document up.

[0:04:02] Voice 14: The motion put forward to trust council at their meeting

[0:04:04] Voice 14: yesterday contemplates a revised budget

[0:04:06] Voice 14: that's equal to 2,122.

[0:04:08] Voice 14: The following information is useful

[0:04:10] Voice 14: in exploring that budget.

[0:04:11] Voice 14: That budget number was $9,093,119.

[0:04:16] Voice 14: And the revised budget or the Brent budget is 9,057,621,

[0:04:22] Voice 14: which is actually lower than the 2,122 budget.

[0:04:25] Voice 14: So the sharp pencil word might have been given out

[0:04:28] Voice 14: a touch early. So the revised budget that's presented to you is $9,282,736, or $189,000

[0:04:41] Voice 14: higher than what was proposed at the end of yesterday. And the premise is this. There's

[0:04:47] Voice 14: $189,000 increase over the 21-22 budget based on the following. The difference between the

[0:04:53] Voice 14: The grants that were received last year and that were received this year is approximately $197,000.

[0:05:02] Voice 14: Accordingly, that would not be shifted on to the taxpayer.

[0:05:06] Voice 14: Those are free dollars.

[0:05:08] Voice 14: So the bottom line honors the request by Trustee Brent and that was discussed yesterday,

[0:05:16] Voice 14: but allows for the difference in the grants that we've achieved coming forward.

[0:05:22] Voice 14: So with that, let's go. So those are the underlying, that's the underlying premise. And then now we'll walk through the actual document. And if it's tough to follow, that's because it's tough to follow. So now we'll put the Excel spreadsheet and I'll walk you through those things.

[0:05:38] Voice 14: So, in other words, we're arriving at the same number you directed us get to, except for the difference in grants.

[0:05:48] Voice 14: It's not a taxpayer-funded difference.

[0:05:52] Voice 15: So, Laurie's just looking for the – well, that's simply – okay, great.

[0:06:11] Voice 14: So, let's start at the top with revenue, and believe me, I'm up here because I'm responsible for some of the recommendations that you've got in front of you.

[0:06:18] Voice 14: as we get into some more technical detail

[0:06:20] Voice 14: or you need some extra expertise, Julia's available to us.

[0:06:26] Voice 14: So starting off right at the top at $4,300,

[0:06:29] Voice 14: there was a reduction here of some dollars

[0:06:32] Voice 14: based on all of you not having passed your fee bylaws.

[0:06:35] Voice 14: Can we get

[0:06:36] Voice 14: that a bit bigger?

[0:06:41] Voice 12: Yeah, that's good.

[0:06:47] Voice 7: We might have to actually remove the face.

[0:06:52] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:06:53] Voice 14: Okay, and shift it over to the right.

[0:06:56] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:06:58] Voice 15: that's go to the top and over to the right no let's go to the top first keep going okay

[0:07:11] Voice 14: so

[0:07:13] Voice 14: that's what i'm talking about right now so what you're going to see here um can you

[0:07:17] Voice 15: go over one

[0:07:18] Voice 15: line so the

[0:07:29] Voice 14: first item is fees and sales and those have been reduced as per what was presented

[0:07:34] Voice 14: yesterday based on the ltc's not yet um lesser revenue because the ltc's haven't um

[0:07:40] Voice 14: passed those bylaw amendments yet hopefully they will so that change has been accepted moving down

[0:07:46] Voice 14: into the general tax levy increase there's um a one-third reduction or this is challenging

[0:07:55] Voice 14: because normally i'd be controlling this and laurie's having to listen um

[0:08:00] Voice 7: as we go forward

[0:08:02] Voice 7: down a bit farther laurie not

[0:08:07] Voice 15: sideways down there no no yeah so yeah

[0:08:24] Voice 15: The

[0:08:33] Voice 16: cursor, the cursor. Sure.

[0:09:01] Voice 14: So I think I can carry on without us looking exactly at that.

[0:09:04] Voice 14: What was recommended was a one third reduction in the local trust areas tax levy and this budget,

[0:09:13] Voice 14: the proposed amendments on that commitment. And it is now one hundred and forty one one one four.

[0:09:20] Voice 14: uh the bowen levy um was uh there is no easy way to correct uh that and appreciating that you know

[0:09:28] Voice 14: get it to one-third uh the sentiment there but uh there's mechanics there that aren't possible

[0:09:33] Voice 14: um when we one of the main ways we got to where the numbers that we're presenting to you was um

[0:09:40] Voice 14: the use of the difference in staffing and most of that staffing is planning related staffing so

[0:09:47] Voice 14: when we remove it bowen doesn't get a benefit associated with that i'm going to the highlights

[0:09:54] Voice 14: here um transfer from general revenue surplus fund uh while there was previously zero there's

[0:10:02] Voice 14: now 165 000 okay now i'm in expenses and amortization just go up a little bit

[0:10:16] Voice 14: and staff have gone through and we've added or we've provided more reductions where we think

[0:10:23] Voice 14: we can get that in order to put retain some of the programming that you've established over the

[0:10:28] Voice 14: last 20 years and you're going to have to figure out whether that's acceptable or not so for

[0:10:33] Voice 14: applications sponsored by ec it was 4 000 um that we removed that so that goes to uh um no that

[0:10:44] Voice 14: remains 4 000 correct yeah

[0:10:46] Voice 16: for

[0:10:49] Voice 14: now we're down to four uh nap type applications um are a thousand

[0:10:54] Voice 14: now in keeping with the report the rest of it stays pretty much the same committee expenses

[0:11:01] Voice 14: achievable we're moving to e-meetings so that's a reduction from a thousand to eight hundred

[0:11:06] Voice 14: we moved down to communications and itc funding we saw a modest decrease obviously we're

[0:11:13] Voice 14: communications challenged at the trust or that's a theme we've been trying to invest in it we

[0:11:18] Voice 14: We wouldn't advise reducing communications, but if that's the direction here, that's workable.

[0:11:26] Voice 14: Software support and licensing states that we can live with that unless the actual numbers

[0:11:31] Voice 14: around software licensing aren't those, and then we would have to do some sort of mid-year

[0:11:36] Voice 14: budget adjustment.

[0:11:38] Voice 14: And moving through with tech support contingency, there was a removal of $13,000, which is absorbed

[0:11:44] Voice 14: in this budget, and that's fine.

[0:11:46] Voice 14: That's the yellow line there on $56,000.

[0:11:50] Voice 14: then we move into contracted services uh it was 148 in the proposed fpc budget the recommendation

[0:11:57] Voice 14: was 146 and it's left at 146 i will tell you though it's challenging to reduce you know to

[0:12:05] Voice 14: take the the money that we're using for staffing or the absence of staffing that

[0:12:12] Voice 14: what's in the brent budget was 280 000 we did a five-year analysis it comes in at 170

[0:12:17] Voice 14: 70 so we put 170 in is difficult to take that and remove it from the budget and lower contract

[0:12:26] Voice 14: services right because that you're you're you're double removing capacity from the organization

[0:12:34] Voice 14: so um in terms of that what line am i on here contract services um i'm just pointing out the

[0:12:42] Voice 14: difficulty but we're leaving it at the 140 moving down to board expenses um through 61 200 14 25 is

[0:12:52] Voice 14: fine 1600 is fine um conservation and planning and land securement um those reductions fine's

[0:13:02] Voice 14: not the right word i'm saying sustainable um moving forward for the year um ecosystems mapping

[0:13:09] Voice 14: the same for legal is the first place where you see a big reduction um so for um legal litigation

[0:13:16] Voice 14: defense uh we reduce staff recommends reducing that budget by fifty thousand dollars so that's

[0:13:23] Voice 14: been put in the budget and um it'll be up to you if we get into a difficult legal position whether

[0:13:29] Voice 14: you want to go into your surplus to for um a defense so at least that takes some dollars out

[0:13:34] Voice 14: of our our current year um the rest of the legal budget stays the same um trustee expenses one of

[0:13:43] Voice 14: the one of the concepts we're going to have to grapple with is that there's new trust council

[0:13:47] Voice 14: coming in coinciding with a lessening probably of covid restrictions and uh a rebirth of the of

[0:13:56] Voice 14: what trust council is going to do um moving forward unless everyone stays the same around

[0:14:02] Voice 14: on the table so there's going to be some need to meet there's going to be so the degree that

[0:14:08] Voice 14: you leave your successors some flexibility to meet um and have regular travel is up to you

[0:14:16] Voice 14: but we we flag that you should be aware of that and so that the next trust council can start off

[0:14:23] Voice 14: reasonably um so that's ltc expenses down a modest amount uh we our recommendation um on

[0:14:32] Voice 14: and executive expenses on ltcs i can't see um us not having the chairs meeting the communities

[0:14:41] Voice 14: that they're sitting on so um it's recommended to stay at the fpc budget level of 12 000 instead

[0:14:50] Voice 14: instead of 10,008, which you could argue is a minor change

[0:14:53] Voice 14: of $1,200 in the first place.

[0:14:56] Voice 14: The reduction on overall LTC meeting expenses of 32 is fine.

[0:15:01] Voice 14: Same with the next one.

[0:15:03] Voice 14: When we move to LTC local communications,

[0:15:07] Voice 14: historically the spending doesn't support this.

[0:15:10] Voice 14: You ask for more than this.

[0:15:12] Voice 14: If you're willing to take that reduction of $500

[0:15:16] Voice 14: or a fairly modest amount, that's up to you.

[0:15:20] Voice 14: We put it back in at what we thought were historical usage levels

[0:15:24] Voice 14: that you've used in the past.

[0:15:29] Voice 14: Same with meeting expenses.

[0:15:30] Voice 14: I don't think that $67,000 meeting expenses, $66,000 to $56,000,

[0:15:36] Voice 14: that's a $10,000 reduction, that they're not achievable

[0:15:38] Voice 14: with a new council coming in.

[0:15:40] Voice 14: But that will be really we're highlighting things

[0:15:42] Voice 14: where you have to make a political decision around things,

[0:15:45] Voice 14: but our recommendation wouldn't be that.

[0:15:48] Voice 14: statutory and statutory notices I think that reduction is reasonable and then we move into

[0:15:55] Voice 14: office lease close closures so with regards office lease costs this budget recommends

[0:16:04] Voice 14: closing the Denman Galliano Maine Pender Saturn offices and the those are the walk-in offices

[0:16:10] Voice 14: that we use for planners to come and meet yourselves and others so we've closed those

[0:16:16] Voice 14: offices and then have the commensurate um cleaning and upkeep costs being reduced as well

[0:16:23] Voice 14: for a combined savings of well you can see it right there

[0:16:29] Voice 14: fairly small actually in the larger thing but it is but it is a reduction on lease costs

[0:16:35] Voice 15: oh

[0:16:40] Voice 14: well the total lease costs points

[0:16:42] Trustee Morrison: of order can we need to hear the question they just they

[0:16:46] Voice 14: couldn't see on the screen what i was describing so if we could go down to um 69

[0:16:55] Voice 7: 000 so

[0:16:59] Voice 15: at 69 000

[0:17:01] Voice 14: the fbc budget was 406 500 and the proposed budget was 36 175 and to get to that number

[0:17:11] Voice 14: um the recommendation is to close those satellite non-personed offices and to reduce the cleaning

[0:17:18] Voice 14: and other costs associated with that so I'll read out the numbers then as we go

[0:17:24] Voice 14: forward we then get to what we call churn so I'm going to the significant

[0:17:31] Voice 14: pieces here and that is the 7500 75 100 and below that's staff salaries there

[0:17:40] Voice 14: was a proposed reduction of and Julia helped me out with this I believe it was

[0:17:47] Voice 14: was in the, we'll call it the Brent budget for now, something in the order of $280,000 allocated

[0:17:54] Voice 14: to that. And so we went and looked at that number. It was a bit of a light bulb went off with

[0:18:00] Voice 14: trustees yesterday regarding it. And I think the five-year average is 180 or 170. So we think that's

[0:18:07] Voice 14: a more responsible number to put in than 280. We just end up over budget. And then for reducing,

[0:18:13] Voice 14: reducing we also have to be aware that we don't want to reduce overtime at the same time we're

[0:18:18] Voice 14: getting rid of churn so we put 170 in as the alternative number okay

[0:18:27] Voice 7: stationery and supplies

[0:18:30] Voice 14: fine subscriptions fine um we get to training organization i is the cao we have under trained

[0:18:38] Voice 14: our staff over the last number of years if you want to cut that budget that's up to you i can't

[0:18:42] Voice 14: recommend that so um the the modest um changes associated with 80 um 81 100 the organization-wide

[0:18:53] Voice 14: training we propose go to back to the 2022 2023 level of 5 000. um you just draw the microphone

[0:19:01] Voice 14: a little closer oh terribly sorry terribly sorry um and uh then the one following staff recognitions

[0:19:09] Voice 14: and meetings um the reduction is um we built that reduction in that was proposed

[0:19:14] Voice 14: um in the training and conferences um as proposed in the latest budget travel for training um

[0:19:22] Voice 14: the 16,032 35 was half of what was pre-covid so when fpc approved that it was improving a 50

[0:19:33] Voice 14: version of what the previous world was like this proposal reduces that even further

[0:19:38] Voice 14: further, we would suggest a reconsideration of that. It doesn't seem achievable unless

[0:19:45] Voice 14: you might as well reduce the training as well. Trustee remuneration, a tough one for me to take

[0:19:53] Voice 14: on. I think that both the governance review and our recent history would suggest that remuneration

[0:19:59] Voice 14: should be considered for an increase rather than a decrease. Nevertheless, there's a somewhat modest

[0:20:06] Voice 14: $14,000 decrease that's put in here, we put back the original FPC number of $55,4425.

[0:20:19] Voice 14: And that's, of course, based on policy.

[0:20:21] Voice 14: But if you make a one-time decision or I wouldn't say arbitrary, but a decision that you can

[0:20:28] Voice 14: rationalize, then you can, of course, put those values in.

[0:20:32] Voice 14: So that's the operating budget total that we've gotten to.

[0:20:36] Voice 14: okay which you see um some reductions associated with that and when we get to the totality you'll

[0:20:45] Voice 14: see where it all lands but we won't get to the numbers proposed unless we start looking at some

[0:20:50] Voice 14: of the specific projects um both our local trust committee projects and strategic projects

[0:20:56] Voice 14: so i now go to 73001 which is um projects funded by the ltc reserve fund that would have the removal

[0:21:05] Voice 14: of the Salt Spring Island Coastal Douglas Fir Project

[0:21:08] Voice 14: and the $3,500 for the LTC.

[0:21:11] Voice 14: And that is just simply a determination

[0:21:13] Voice 14: of whether you want to proceed with that or not.

[0:21:17] Voice 14: Other change, we put an arbitrary number

[0:21:19] Voice 14: in for contingency grants

[0:21:20] Voice 14: in case you need to have some dollars

[0:21:24] Voice 14: since there's a dollar left there.

[0:21:26] Voice 14: So that's staff recommending a reduction of $8,000.

[0:21:30] Voice 14: And then we noted that yesterday

[0:21:34] Voice 14: Yesterday, there was a change in the SWPA recommended number, so we added that into the budget, which will affect the Salt Spring Island taxpayer.

[0:21:43] Voice 14: We move into strategic plan projects.

[0:21:46] Voice 14: The Brent budget recommended a reduction to the reconciliation plan implementation of $1,500.

[0:21:56] Voice 14: We move that to about $4,200.

[0:21:58] Voice 14: dollars um as we as we've matured over the organization we built more of those things

[0:22:04] Voice 14: into the other externalized budgets so more associated with direct land use planning there'll

[0:22:10] Voice 14: be a first nations component to it um the same with the policy statement work and work and those

[0:22:15] Voice 14: kinds of things i wouldn't do this but or recommend this but the program will survive um with um

[0:22:24] Voice 14: um this type of this type of change we think that's achievable um the policy statement

[0:22:30] Voice 14: amendment project i can't see it going forward and reducing at the same time its budgeted dollars so

[0:22:37] Voice 14: if you come to that conclusion um of course um so we think it should be um 55 000 instead of the

[0:22:45] Voice 14: 50 52 250 we then move to um the model bylaws for housing options that would be removed from

[0:22:56] Voice 14: this budget it has not started but that would be of course up to you um the groundwater recharge

[0:23:02] Voice 14: mapping has been put back in this is one of the three strategic directions that we've undertaken

[0:23:07] Voice 14: at the allens trust over the last number of years it's the number one uh identified item by the

[0:23:14] Voice 14: public in terms of where we should be focusing our attention and doing this doesn't we don't

[0:23:19] Voice 14: strand tax dollars we've already spent on this function the other is a question of equity this

[0:23:25] Voice 14: this program deals with a particular geographic area of the island's trust that the other areas

[0:23:33] Voice 14: have had satisfied that is the southern gulf islands and the north and this achieves the same

[0:23:38] Voice 14: Same for Howe Sound.

[0:23:41] Voice 14: So I think that this is also connected with a lot of the throughout the strategic plan.

[0:23:46] Voice 14: So it's recommended that you can achieve your budget goals by having this in it.

[0:23:51] Voice 14: We do remove the freshwater sustainability strategy, $6,000 that was previously proposed.

[0:23:57] Voice 14: So staff recommended that change to achieve these numbers.

[0:24:01] Voice 14: We also recommend the return of the heritage overlay mapping project.

[0:24:05] Voice 14: The reason for that is that we've, of course, been building our reconciliation work.

[0:24:09] Voice 14: But by far, this is the first tangible piece of work that we've ever done that actually does something for somebody else with regards to reconciliation, meaning that this data set, individual nations may or may not be able to access their own data, but we're aggregating data and being able to provide it to others that could significantly contribute to how land management occurs.

[0:24:34] Voice 14: And to my understanding, this is a rarity in terms of getting all that information, working with nations on the specificity of that, and aligns us with DRIPA in this way.

[0:24:46] Voice 14: So it's recommended that this project carry on.

[0:24:50] Voice 14: The stewardship education program is, there was a, it was left, I believe, at $17,500.

[0:24:59] Voice 14: That is reduced by $4,500 and left at $13,000.

[0:25:04] Voice 14: The governance review has $15,000 in it.

[0:25:07] Voice 14: That's obviously you put that in there.

[0:25:09] Voice 14: So that's a political direction.

[0:25:10] Voice 14: We left that in.

[0:25:12] Voice 14: Secretariat services previously at 15 reduced to 13.5 and that was left in.

[0:25:19] Voice 14: So I think that's the summary.

[0:25:20] Voice 14: Is there more?

[0:25:22] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:25:25] Voice 14: Secretariat services, I'm sorry, is actually removed as a function.

[0:25:27] Voice 14: So that $13,500, which was recommended in the Brent to achieve the numbers that we're talking about, was removed as a strategic project of the Islands Trust.

[0:25:38] Voice 14: And then moving forward, we retain the Constable hearing about land use.

[0:25:44] Voice 14: You know, we're getting that $367,000 associated with the development approvals program, essentially for software.

[0:25:50] Voice 14: Then no one will ever give us money like that again for us to update our application processing.

[0:25:56] Voice 14: processing I highly recommend you take advantage of it this would be we would be a loan jurisdiction

[0:26:03] Voice 14: over the last 15 years if we returned over 700 000 of loans provided to us so um I couldn't

[0:26:10] Voice 14: responsibly recommend that um then we get down to finally capital um the uh the budget that the

[0:26:19] Voice 14: Brent proposed had a a minus a modest change we do not think that that's realistic so that we

[0:26:26] Voice 14: When we say it won't be realistic, we mean at some time during the year we'll have to buy that thing.

[0:26:34] Voice 14: So, you know, we'd have to go into surplus to do it or the staff would have to make some decision.

[0:26:40] Voice 14: At these price points, these aren't political decisions, right?

[0:26:45] Voice 14: Like we have a matrix associated with responsibility for purchases.

[0:26:50] Voice 14: So if something's a $3,000 thing or something like that that's needed,

[0:26:53] Voice 14: it just sort of puts the decision on us instead of being directed here we don't think that's

[0:27:00] Voice 14: probably achievable with the hardware for trustees it was 15 000 the brent proposition had it go to

[0:27:08] Voice 14: zero we propose half so that some used computers would be refurbished i guess depending on the

[0:27:17] Voice 14: changeover at trust council but inevitably some will need to be replaced and that that would be

[0:27:23] Voice 14: some dollars that would address that. There's a reduction in office of $800, which we can

[0:27:33] Voice 14: certainly work through. So that brings us to our conclusion. And Julie, do you want to summarize

[0:27:39] Voice 14: this for everybody? I've walked you through these various pieces. So now you can, hopefully,

[0:27:46] Voice 14: you might think that this is reasonable. And why this might be reasonable is you've returned

[0:27:51] Voice 14: projects that are of value and you've invested in over a long period of time you've honored

[0:27:56] Voice 14: the request to have this budget mirror last year's budget with the exception of a grant

[0:28:03] Voice 14: of 195 000 your tax increase is below the cost of living increase which i believe also honors

[0:28:13] Voice 14: the request of yesterday and there's some sustainability with it what you give up

[0:28:19] Voice 14: as presented is some of the strategic initiatives some staff capacity and some flexibility there

[0:28:29] Voice 14: and some potential a little bit some training but that's over to you to discuss and I would

[0:28:36] Voice 14: recommend what you do is not go through this line by line again but pick things that you wish to

[0:28:43] Voice 14: discuss if you if you will either accept this which I would I'm happy to say that the staff

[0:28:48] Voice 14: would recommend this um but over to you then to go through these things and uh we'll provide

[0:28:53] Voice 14: whatever support we can now of course julia did we sat we caucused till uh sort of in the evening

[0:28:59] Voice 14: or later in the evening as we worked through some of these materials we did not discuss this with

[0:29:04] Voice 14: any of you through the course of the evening um and then julia um spent um till about three in

[0:29:11] Voice 14: in the morning developing this and here we sit which is yeah julia so if you arrive it's a good

[0:29:23] Voice 14: place wherever that is we still need to turn this into a bylaw right so that hasn't been done and it

[0:29:31] Voice 14: can't be until we get that i urge you to do your best to get to that point such that we don't leave

[0:29:39] Voice 14: this meeting without some direction on where you want to go financially for the upcoming year

[0:29:42] Voice 14: here. Would you add anything? Good

[0:29:56] Voice 15: morning, everybody.

[0:30:00] Voice 32: Okay, I think all that I would add is just a brief summary, as our CAO suggested. So with the revised figures that staff have presented this morning, it is different to what Trustee Brent has recommended by about that $200,000. And our CAOs explained that we think that's reasonable based on the change in grant monies in last year's budget versus this year's budget.

[0:30:22] Voice 32: so of course when we adjust our budget numbers we have a change in taxation so where we're landing

[0:30:29] Voice 32: with the revised numbers is a new local trust area taxation increase of two percent uh plus the 1.25

[0:30:36] Voice 32: for non-market change that hasn't been adjusted uh the bowen island municipal levy is seeing a

[0:30:41] Voice 32: lift of 3.9 percent uh our version of the budget or the suggested uh staff amended version this

[0:30:48] Voice 32: morning does include a draw from the general revenue surplus fund trustee brent's version

[0:30:53] Voice 32: did not but of course because we're reducing the budget by less we need to bring in some

[0:30:57] Voice 32: dollars from general revenue surplus fund and the value of that draw is 165 000

[0:31:02] Voice 32: that's

[0:31:06] Voice 15: a lot don't speak okay

[0:31:12] Voice 7: um maybe

[0:31:14] Voice 12: have some questions and i see two hands up so far uh

[0:31:18] Voice 12: Dan Rodgers, Paul Brent,

[0:31:23] Voice 12: Jane Wilber. Sorry, I just

[0:31:26] Voice 5: could you go back to the very first slide you put up and

[0:31:30] Voice 5: sort of the broad numbers because maybe I'm still asleep, but I didn't

[0:31:34] Voice 5: really catch where the comparison between the

[0:31:39] Voice 5: FPC approved budget and what you are bringing to us this

[0:31:43] Voice 5: morning. And I just wanted to know the top dollar

[0:31:47] Voice 5: or numbers again um and you put you had a slide up there at the beginning and i just

[0:31:52] Voice 5: sorry whatever it was

[0:31:54] Voice 5: the

[0:31:54] Voice 8: challenge

[0:31:57] Voice 14: we've got is you know we're putting a position compared to what yeah so

[0:32:04] Voice 14: right now if

[0:32:06] Voice 14: you can compare to the fpc budget because you've got it in front of you that's great our analysis

[0:32:11] Voice 14: has really moved it off off of the brent what's being proposed there so we might have not have

[0:32:17] Voice 14: a neat synopsis there but we can certainly go to that word document and revisit it paul grant

[0:32:27] Voice 15: a

[0:32:31] Voice 26: couple of questions for clarification thank you staff for doing all the work and i apologize if

[0:32:37] Voice 26: i've made you stay up too late office leases one of the things that was considered some time ago

[0:32:46] Voice 26: was taking the leases on the other side of the main office and pushing them into the main office

[0:32:55] Voice 26: so this is the fort street office and so the finance group and the the apping and server group

[0:33:02] Voice 26: i understand there's some difficulties with that but has that been fully explored sorry

[0:33:15] Voice 15: that has

[0:33:16] Voice 14: been explored it hasn't been solved the challenge is we have a significant amount of

[0:33:22] Voice 14: weighted files and bylaws so they have to live somewhere and right now they live in that area

[0:33:28] Voice 14: and that's a reinforced part of that building.

[0:33:31] Voice 14: So anywhere they go, displace office space.

[0:33:35] Voice 14: That's item one.

[0:33:37] Voice 14: Item two is we're transitioning our staff to a new way of working

[0:33:41] Voice 14: and we keep on having bumps in COVID,

[0:33:44] Voice 14: which don't allow us to apply a consistent telework agreement scenario yet.

[0:33:50] Voice 14: We're in the process of doing that.

[0:33:52] Voice 14: Once we get stasis there and we figure out how much office usage

[0:33:57] Voice 14: usage we're going to need, we'll be better able to address that question. Right now,

[0:34:03] Voice 14: I don't think we could responsibly let go any of those leases because we would just simply run out

[0:34:09] Voice 14: of space.

[0:34:13] Voice 26: Salaries and benefits. So I didn't know where it was in the budget, but I presume that by

[0:34:20] Voice 26: reducing the salary and budget, the $56,000 for the fundraising 0.6 FTE for the Islands Trust

[0:34:28] Voice 26: Trust Conservancy would be part of that reduction as well as churn.

[0:34:33] Voice 7: No?

[0:34:34] Voice 26: Somewhere else?

[0:34:37] Voice 7: No, it moves forward.

[0:34:43] Voice 14: Yes, because the FPC budget, it's not staff budget,

[0:34:47] Voice 14: the FPC budget had that included.

[0:34:49] Voice 14: And you worked off of that and you did a general reduction

[0:34:53] Voice 14: or some percentage reduction.

[0:34:55] Voice 14: So you didn't say which and where.

[0:34:57] Voice 14: And you used up churn.

[0:35:00] Voice 14: and you added up churn to it or whatever you added up it was churn plus x i guess i don't know what x

[0:35:06] Voice 14: is and so we've gone back to just churn we're presuming that that position which has gone

[0:35:13] Voice 14: through the various vetting processes moves forward

[0:35:15] Voice 26: okay that's not what i had assumed on

[0:35:18] Voice 26: my budget but that's fine i do still appreciate uh the work you guys have done um and just to

[0:35:23] Voice 26: explain trustee remuneration and where i came up with that fourteen thousand dollars it's a rough

[0:35:28] Voice 26: estimate but what i thought for uh the year is that everyone takes a hit including trustees and

[0:35:35] Voice 26: that was meant to be the 150 100 honorarium that uh trustees get to attend meetings so that's where

[0:35:43] Voice 26: that came from just as a matter of explanation the hundred thousand dollars for new administrative

[0:35:48] Voice 26: staff that is founded contract services okay

[0:35:54] Voice 15: yeah as far as touch remuneration

[0:36:00] Voice 14: uh you know over

[0:36:00] Voice 14: By all means. I mean, there's an empty seat here for future trustees who will have that budgeted or not budgeted as well.

[0:36:09] Voice 14: And that's for you to part of the transfer to the new trust council.

[0:36:15] Voice 14: The the I think the dollars are minimally reduced from the hundred thousand dollars asked to support our administrative challenges.

[0:36:24] Voice 14: And those still exist in this budget.

[0:36:28] Voice 26: We know what that minimal amount is.

[0:36:30] Voice 26: just out of

[0:36:30] Voice 14: curiosity i proposed 100 000 i think it's in 93 something okay

[0:36:41] Voice 11: thank you i've got

[0:36:42] Voice 11: jane walton and laura patrick and um oh what have you got up here well sorry

[0:36:50] Voice 13: my hand been up for a

[0:36:51] Voice 13: while oh

[0:36:53] Voice 12: me too sorry we don't have you on the screen here so i apologize for that uh it's early

[0:37:00] Voice 12: and it was late. What can I say? I don't even have that up. So I see Deb. Oh, there's a few

[0:37:07] Voice 12: hands up there. So Deb Morrison, Jane Wolverton and Tahira Rockefeller.

[0:37:12] Voice 12: Okay. Tahira Rockefeller

[0:37:13] Voice 12: and Scott Colburn, please. Yeah.

[0:37:16] Voice 13: Trustee Morrison's hands not up.

[0:37:19] Voice 30: Okay. Thank you.

[0:37:21] Voice 30: So Grant Scott as well.

[0:37:26] Voice 12: I'm going to put, keep your hands up electronically, please. And I will

[0:37:30] Voice 12: make sure you're on the list and so at the moment let's go to jane wolverton laura patrick they were

[0:37:35] Voice 12: right up at the beginning and then we'll go to the people online

[0:37:38] Voice 27: oh

[0:37:41] Voice 12: yeah and i'm going to ask

[0:37:44] Voice 12: you to raise your hands again in a minute you can just relax for a moment let's go to jane

[0:37:49] Voice 12: and

[0:37:49] Voice 18: i'm just commenting i know you don't want to go through a line by line and i appreciate all

[0:37:55] Voice 18: All that you guys have done and that you were given this task is, you know, anyway, I won't comment on that.

[0:38:05] Voice 18: The offices, I don't know about the other islands, but I know that the Galliano small office is used by not only Islands Trust,

[0:38:15] Voice 18: but the CRD, Liaison, Parks and Rec, our APC, the planners and the ITC.

[0:38:22] Voice 18: um so i think i i believe that we do receive some funding from those other um entities to offset our

[0:38:31] Voice 18: costs um so i would just say that we don't have meeting space on galliano that's easily accessible

[0:38:38] Voice 18: um the the planner can simply walk off the boat and and meet with people at the office there

[0:38:47] Voice 18: Our internet is not necessarily stable throughout the island, so that people are using that office, ITC, for example, in order to do their work.

[0:39:03] Voice 18: So I just make those comments.

[0:39:05] Voice 15: Thank you, Jane.

[0:39:13] Voice 15: Laura Patrick.

[0:39:14] Voice 15: um

[0:39:16] Voice 21: if if if brent had used one of these devices and called and asked for salt spring i would ask

[0:39:22] Voice 21: the coastal douglas for remain that is a project that is being done in partnership with the fire

[0:39:27] Voice 21: department with another grant that's happening on the island it benefits the people about fire

[0:39:31] Voice 21: resiliency it will benefit the entire island's trust of that project uh i would suggest you

[0:39:38] Voice 21: take the 35 from the other project somehow and balance it but please uh remain with the coastal

[0:39:42] Voice 21: legislature okay yeah right

[0:39:52] Voice 7: okay

[0:39:55] Voice 11: so tahira rockefeller thanks

[0:39:59] Voice 13: i'm going to take a few

[0:40:00] Voice 13: minutes um just to go through some things so my understanding in this year's lta tax increase is

[0:40:06] Voice 13: proposed at three percent last year's was 3.5 percent um this is the fpc approved proposed

[0:40:14] Voice 13: post budget. So the survey of this year had 1100 responses. Last year, it had 950. So it was

[0:40:21] Voice 13: relatively similar. This year, 45, or 49% chose to reduce services. And that was their recommendations

[0:40:28] Voice 13: to Trust Council. But last year, 72% supported keeping the taxes the same or increasing them.

[0:40:34] Voice 13: I don't recall us falling over each other to increase services last year, we did the same

[0:40:39] Voice 13: same thing. We hacked away at the budget, tried to pick off bits and pieces randomly. Where was

[0:40:45] Voice 13: everyone saying the 72%? 49 has suddenly become our mantra, but what happened to 72? So that's

[0:40:54] Voice 13: just in response to the survey. Some notable highlights from this budget that are going to

[0:41:00] Voice 13: be different because of the year is the one-off elections cost of $141,000. Every year, the salary

[0:41:08] Voice 13: Salary increases required for IT staff as per provincial agreements.

[0:41:14] Voice 13: Trustee remunerations increased by 2.5%.

[0:41:17] Voice 13: And I think we have to maintain trustee remuneration or increase it because some trustees don't have money or high-salary jobs.

[0:41:26] Voice 13: We actually somewhat rely on the money we receive to do the work.

[0:41:31] Voice 13: I don't know if anybody has payroll, but I do, and CBP rates jumped this year massively.

[0:41:37] Voice 13: so we do have to account for that a significant portion of administrative budget is allocated to

[0:41:44] Voice 13: expenses that are difficult if not impossible to cut look at your own internet and software

[0:41:48] Voice 13: antivirus tech hardware bills not apply that to 60 plus employees and 26 trustees while including

[0:41:54] Voice 13: tech support and the ability to manage hybrid meetings and maintain an actively updated website

[0:42:00] Voice 13: insurance has gone up twenty thousand dollars this year do we cut groundwater mapping that

[0:42:04] Voice 13: will inform our future development because the insurance has increased office office closures

[0:42:09] Voice 13: planners wait we'll have to wait in vehicles in the winter and the ferry there's no meeting place

[0:42:14] Voice 13: for our constituents this is a place that makes us available to our communities and also supports

[0:42:20] Voice 13: our staff who come here to help us as well perhaps some trustees would like a skeleton trust but this

[0:42:27] Voice 13: will not support our preserve and protect mandate or our communities with the minimal fifteen

[0:42:31] Voice 13: $15,000 to purchase new hardware for incoming trustees. I think it's required because many of

[0:42:38] Voice 13: us don't come to trust council with like fancy devices. Some people rely on a high quality

[0:42:44] Voice 13: laptop. My laptop doesn't even have sound. So like I use this, however, you guys don't like

[0:42:50] Voice 13: your laptops. I use it for every single trust meeting. Do we have to make sure that there's

[0:42:57] Voice 13: only privileged trustees that come to computers or trust council with a fancy device? Land use

[0:43:03] Voice 13: bylaws are the mechanism with which we preserve and protect our islands and communities. Bylaw

[0:43:07] Voice 13: enforcement supports these bylaws. Legal fees defend our bylaws when they've been contravened.

[0:43:12] Voice 13: Are we going to cut $600,000 that's allocated to bylaw enforcement and legal defense,

[0:43:17] Voice 13: leaving our precious bylaws, the bylaws that protect our sensitive ecosystems and shorelines,

[0:43:21] Voice 13: to fend for themselves? We see a rampant clearing of the CDF more than ever in the Gulf Islands and

[0:43:27] Voice 13: and rely on by-law enforcement and legal defense to curtail these activities.

[0:43:31] Voice 13: We're seeing higher application volume than ever before.

[0:43:35] Voice 13: Are we going to start turning away applications due to lack of staff?

[0:43:38] Voice 13: Are we going to just expect staff to do more and more without the support of the trustees

[0:43:41] Voice 13: when we're asking them to do that work?

[0:43:44] Voice 13: And what about application fees?

[0:43:46] Voice 13: What about the LTCs who haven't or won't adopt the new fees by-law?

[0:43:51] Voice 13: The trustees who knowingly are choosing to let developers off the hook

[0:43:55] Voice 13: for paying for their own planning work.

[0:43:57] Voice 13: what about those fees we're elected representatives by our communities we hear public feedback and

[0:44:03] Voice 13: then we apply that as best as we can to the project at hand in this case it's the budget

[0:44:07] Voice 13: we need to be the professionals here we need to do our homework and listen to the advice

[0:44:12] Voice 13: and recommendations from staff who work in this field and were educated in this field

[0:44:17] Voice 13: it appears many are unconvinced about the nine to thirty dollar increases we have heard from

[0:44:22] Voice 13: some trustees who have taken the time to do the math, which means this must be more of a

[0:44:27] Voice 13: principal thing. Well, my principles include protecting Galliano's groundwater. My principles

[0:44:32] Voice 13: include heritage mapping to inform rezoning proposals and DPAs. My principles include

[0:44:38] Voice 13: supporting the island's trust staff because they support me every step of the way in every action

[0:44:45] Voice 13: to take for this island. Who is responsible in the end for ensuring these islands are preserved

[0:44:52] Voice 13: and protected and that our drinking water is protected and that the health of our communities

[0:44:56] Voice 13: are protected it's us you and me and it's not free it comes with a cost and if we decide

[0:45:02] Voice 13: principally the cost is too high what do our communities stand to lose for nine to thirty

[0:45:07] Voice 13: dollars a household a year i will not be voting for any of trustee brunt's budget cuts nor will

[0:45:14] Voice 13: i be voting for any additional cut to this budget because fpc heard public comment we worked at

[0:45:19] Voice 13: cutting the budget and this is the compromise. I will not be compromising the remaining project

[0:45:24] Voice 13: work that we can accomplish for our communities and environment this term. I will not compromise

[0:45:30] Voice 13: items trust staff by asking that they do more work with less. I will not compromise the values

[0:45:35] Voice 13: of the trust to preserve and protect for the principle of a three percent tax increase when

[0:45:40] Voice 13: I believe the work we do here is of the utmost importance. We're a shining example of what

[0:45:45] Voice 13: governments could aspire to by considering the environment and all that we do. And I will not

[0:45:50] Voice 13: compromise that. Thank

[0:45:58] Voice 12: you, Tahira. Thank you very much. I'm going to go to Scott Colburn and then

[0:46:09] Voice 12: Grant Scott. And actually, I'm sorry, Sue Ellen Fast and Laura Bershaken will also follow those

[0:46:18] Voice 12: speakers.

[0:46:19] Voice 1: Can I be heard? Can you hear me? Yes, sir.

[0:46:23] Voice 1: That's a hard act to follow. I beg

[0:46:28] Voice 1: I beg Trust Council's indulgence. I'm attempting to fit this Trust Council in with my working life. And as Trustee Rockefeller said, sometimes, you know, the trust is a part-time job. And it's like a lot of islanders, we have multiple jobs. So this has been a challenge. I have contributed three sentences.

[0:46:45] Voice 1: So I'm just going to sort of do an omnibus statement, then I'll go back to lurking and voting.

[0:46:51] Voice 1: And the statement is going to begin with an apology.

[0:46:54] Voice 1: Yesterday, Dr. Trustee Morrison pointed out that I had used the word, I believe she said unethical, I used ethically and connected it to fiscally irresponsible.

[0:47:06] Voice 1: That was inappropriate and divisive.

[0:47:09] Voice 1: And I apologize for that.

[0:47:11] Voice 1: I had written down three words that started with E.

[0:47:13] Voice 1: they were equity engagement and ecological and they were underlined because they're all deficits

[0:47:18] Voice 1: and i used ethically in a way that i shouldn't have i understand having gotten to know all the

[0:47:25] Voice 1: people around this table virtually and otherwise i know everyone cares for these places i know that

[0:47:30] Voice 1: okay and we're going about it different ways but um i apologize for that usage of language

[0:47:37] Voice 1: language those deficits however are significant and the equity deficit at the trust means that

[0:47:44] Voice 1: the services that that were much mentioned yesterday are being applied in on a not equal

[0:47:51] Voice 1: unfair basis both within island communities and across different regions within the island's trust

[0:47:58] Voice 1: and local trust areas there is a has been a um the weight of applications and and the work that

[0:48:08] Voice 1: gets done at the expense of other work um means that long-term planning planning that takes care

[0:48:18] Voice 1: of the ecology of cultural heritage sites of of of the community aspects has been passed on to

[0:48:25] Voice 1: future generations we keep it gets rolled up the projects don't get done there's not staff capacity

[0:48:31] Voice 1: to do it we've seen it in the northern office this year projects move through different regions at

[0:48:35] Voice 1: different times depending on the capacity of a regional office to do that work that gets rolled

[0:48:40] Voice 1: into the surplus and it gets pushed forward you've got this big surplus there's an equity deficit

[0:48:45] Voice 1: because that long-term planning the work that takes care of the ecosystems that trustee rocket

[0:48:50] Voice 1: Rockefeller just spoke to, that takes care of the community aspects of what land use planning is

[0:48:55] Voice 1: supposed to be doing. That work has been pushed forward onto future generations for decades.

[0:49:00] Voice 1: And the costs are significant. And the costs are being borne in disproportionate ways,

[0:49:07] Voice 1: depending on your means. So the long-term planning is not being done. There's an ecological deficit

[0:49:14] Voice 1: because often the intensification of use that is endemic in those applications, that's what's

[0:49:21] Voice 1: getting done at the expense of the protection and preserve pieces of this. There's an engagement

[0:49:26] Voice 1: deficit. There has been for a very long time. And the importance of public engagement, not even

[0:49:35] Voice 1: consultation, folks, there's a huge difference between engagement and consultation. There's an

[0:49:39] Voice 1: consultation deficit with First Nations. Part of our responsibility is to do that work. The lion's

[0:49:44] Voice 1: share of it rests with the province of British Columbia. They need to step up and do a better

[0:49:48] Voice 1: our job and reform how local decisions are made and fund that and resource it adequately.

[0:49:54] Voice 1: A lot of what we're dealing with here is we fight for scraps among islands as a result

[0:49:59] Voice 1: of mismanagement at the provincial level for decades.

[0:50:03] Voice 1: And now you're seeing this budgeting, the cuts are being borne disproportionately by

[0:50:09] Voice 1: those who don't have the means sometimes to deal with them.

[0:50:11] Voice 1: The engagement deficit means that in this term, we have inconsistently implied the importance of public engagement. The Governance and Management Review had zero public engagement. It's in this budget that's presented yesterday in the afternoon, with no ability for the public to comment on it.

[0:50:35] Voice 1: yet as trustee rockefeller pointed out there's so much data out there that should be driving

[0:50:43] Voice 1: our decision making on gabriola alone we've had social needs assessment a project with 125 000

[0:50:48] Voice 1: budget the ltc was one of the partners in that read through that report and look at the needs

[0:50:54] Voice 1: assessments look at the housing needs assessments throughout the islands these islands are

[0:50:59] Voice 1: disproportionately struggling compared to other island community compared to other communities

[0:51:04] Voice 1: is either remote or otherwise so if you're making a case based on one slice of public engagement

[0:51:12] Voice 1: and cherry picking it and not doing it across the board i can't follow your decision making

[0:51:18] Voice 1: i can't follow the rationale you're making you're not using the data that's out there

[0:51:23] Voice 1: to deal with affordability yesterday i heard arguments for affordability based on property

[0:51:27] Voice 1: taxes you know what's striking to me reading through the engagement as how different it is

[0:51:34] Voice 1: than the conversations, the budget engagement specifically, how different it is in terms of

[0:51:39] Voice 1: affordability, the conversations I'm having with people in the community who are being forced to

[0:51:42] Voice 1: make decisions to leave family, to leave community, to move further away from work. These are stressors,

[0:51:48] Voice 1: folks. I don't think the property tax increase of 3% is what's driving the affordability crisis

[0:51:56] Voice 1: on this island. We need to be part of solutions. Solutions are interconnected. They're interconnected

[0:52:01] Voice 1: connected between the ecology, the community, the larger pieces and partners we're supposed to be

[0:52:05] Voice 1: coordinating with. We are passing these costs on to future generations. I will not support a single

[0:52:12] Voice 1: cut that's in this budget presented yesterday. And I absolutely support what trustee Rockefeller

[0:52:20] Voice 1: just said. That's the end of my comments. Thank you very much. And thank you for the work you've

[0:52:33] Voice 1: all done.

[0:52:34] Voice 15: Thank you, Scott. I'm lost for words this morning, actually.

[0:52:46] Voice 12: But I'm hearing a lot

[0:52:48] Voice 12: of passion. I'm hearing grief. I want to recognize that staff were up all night.

[0:52:56] Voice 12: And well, I know you're good. And you're fabulous, actually. You're better than good.

[0:53:00] Voice 12: And you've made a significant effort to try and respect the request that's on the table here.

[0:53:10] Voice 12: and um and have i have with confidence there's an awful lot of detail and it's almost it's

[0:53:16] Voice 12: impossible to absorb it all in such a short space of time but nonetheless you've done what you can

[0:53:22] Voice 12: to reduce the um budget as requested and not compromise the delivery of services but the

[0:53:29] Voice 12: message that's out there is significant and i think you know we can be in you know i don't want

[0:53:35] Voice 12: want to use the word but we can be entrenched in our points of view um we really really need to

[0:53:41] Voice 12: work together which is what i said before we came together as council we need to work together to

[0:53:47] Voice 12: find a place of comfort financially and respecting our community and indeed i think through this

[0:53:55] Voice 12: process we're respecting the feedback we received but um we need to get a budget today and uh there

[0:54:04] Voice 12: There will be compromises as necessary, I think, on one side or both sides.

[0:54:09] Voice 12: So I'm going to continue with my speaker's list.

[0:54:11] Voice 12: Just didn't want to be silent any longer with the passion and the grief that I'm seeing in eyes and in bodies around the room and on the screen.

[0:54:23] Voice 12: And I thank you for sharing.

[0:54:25] Voice 12: So I'm going to go to Grant Scott, Sue Ellenfast, Laura Beshaken.

[0:54:33] Voice 12: And I'm just going to ask a question here.

[0:54:36] Voice 12: And I don't know that this is anything that council wants to go to, but it's something from a meeting management perspective that I need to kind of get my head wrapped around, is I need a list of what these inclusion exclusions are that is way simpler than a spreadsheet in order to be able to determine whether or not council wants to include or exclude any of these changes from the base budget that was provided to us from FPC.

[0:55:05] Voice 12: see so there's just a thought for you so let's continue on with the speakers and we'll uh at

[0:55:11] Voice 12: some juncture we have to get to decision making and fairly soon grant scott sue on fast and

[0:55:19] Voice 12: lord be shaken thank

[0:55:22] Voice 30: you uh to hear i just want to say that was the most thoughtful statement in

[0:55:25] Voice 30: my three years on the trust so thank you it doesn't mean i agree with all of what you said

[0:55:30] Voice 30: but thank you for it. I want to agree with you on lowering that trust, the remuneration. I don't

[0:55:37] Voice 30: particularly need the money, fortunately, but I'm always encouraging young people to try to run as

[0:55:43] Voice 30: trustees and get involved. And I think a lot of people need that money. So the small amount it is,

[0:55:48] Voice 30: I think I'd like to see that left in. I would be more drastic in a lot of ways. I'm a professional

[0:55:55] Voice 30: forester. I've been doing this for 40 years. I've been working with First Nations. I run a First

[0:55:59] Voice 30: nations forest company i do not think the trust needs to take on the double spur issue but i

[0:56:05] Voice 30: recognize the importance of it obviously at old growth but i think the ministry of forest and

[0:56:10] Voice 30: regional districts can provide those services better than the trust can and i don't want to

[0:56:15] Voice 30: see us having to go and hire a professional forester in the future to do this it will not

[0:56:19] Voice 30: assist hornby island and also as far as looking at water issues of course it's vitally important

[0:56:25] Voice 30: But again, I think that where we get our assistance on water is not from the trust, it's from the regional districts, it's from the water management board, it's from the Ministry of the Environment.

[0:56:35] Voice 30: And I don't really know what the trust is going to be able to do to assist us on Hornby.

[0:56:41] Voice 30: I could go on about some other things.

[0:56:43] Voice 30: So housing, I do not know how the trust is going to support us.

[0:56:48] Voice 30: Is it important? Of course.

[0:56:49] Voice 30: Climate change, important? Of course.

[0:56:51] Voice 30: But I really question what the trust is able to do on a lot of those vital issues that really, as far as preserving, protecting, I do not understand how it's going to help work beyond it.

[0:57:03] Voice 30: We know how to do it here, and we reach out to the agencies around us to help us do that at the local trust committees, at our APC, and other ways that we work.

[0:57:13] Voice 30: So I would like to see the budget cut as much as for anything for efficiency.

[0:57:18] Voice 30: I do not want to see anything cut to the planners on Gabriola Island.

[0:57:23] Voice 30: They are, as Tahira pointed out, absolutely necessary to us, and I cannot speak too highly for them.

[0:57:30] Voice 30: But some of the support that comes from elsewhere, and particularly Victoria, I do not find particularly helpful to Hornby Island.

[0:57:39] Voice 30: So I think there's areas that that can be cut.

[0:57:43] Voice 30: I fully support the bylaw part of this, as Tahira pointed out.

[0:57:47] Voice 30: Yes, we absolutely need bylaw support, and I think they do a very good job.

[0:57:53] Voice 30: Mr. Wingham, I have a lot of respect for him.

[0:57:57] Voice 30: He's always very helpful.

[0:57:58] Voice 30: The First Nations issues, of course, we need support there, and we need the funding to do that.

[0:58:03] Voice 30: Some of the other areas, I think we can cut, and we can maintain our preserve and protect mandate.

[0:58:09] Voice 30: So I'll leave it at that, and thank you, trustees.

[0:58:15] Voice 12: Thank you, Grant.

[0:58:17] Voice 12: grant um she well and fast thank

[0:58:21] Trustee Fast: you um and thank you staff for producing the staff adjusted column

[0:58:25] Trustee Fast: I wish that I could see it uh so that I could respond with specific uh comments I in the email

[0:58:34] Trustee Fast: no

[0:58:39] Voice 15: okay

[0:58:41] Trustee Fast: thank you that will help but I'll continue um it okay so for people on the screen

[0:58:55] Voice 3: Can I do a point of order?

[0:58:57] Voice 3: Can someone, Chair Luckin, can you please explain to me the process right now?

[0:59:01] Voice 3: Because we can all have, these are all great speeches and these are good thoughts.

[0:59:04] Voice 3: But what are we doing right now?

[0:59:06] Voice 3: I'm very confused.

[0:59:07] Voice 3: We've got numbers.

[0:59:08] Voice 3: This has been discussed.

[0:59:10] Voice 3: And I want to hear all my trustees' thoughts, but maybe with regards to thoughts on a particular motion might be more useful.

[0:59:17] Voice 3: Right now, it's a general, broad discussion about cuts or not cuts.

[0:59:22] Voice 3: And I'm just wondering what the business is we're discussing.

[0:59:28] Voice 3: Point of order is, sorry, oops, sorry,

[0:59:30] Voice 3: is the point of order is we need to discuss a motion, correct?

[0:59:36] Voice 3: And then my point of order is I'm confused about the process right now.

[0:59:41] Voice 3: Okay.

[0:59:43] Voice 12: We don't have a process for this, honestly.

[0:59:51] Voice 12: May I?

[0:59:52] Voice 12: Just let me finish here, okay?

[0:59:54] Voice 12: OK, I've got one more speaker on my speakers list.

[0:59:58] Voice 12: OK, this is my process.

[1:00:00] Voice 12: right in the moment and it's flying off the handle so

[1:00:02] Voice 6: i'm

[1:00:03] Voice 12: just going to say a couple of other things

[1:00:04] Voice 12: ben we have to be out of this room by two o'clock absolute latest so the staff can pack it all up

[1:00:13] Voice 12: and get it all out of here for the next event that's coming in here we've been here for an hour

[1:00:19] Voice 12: ben you're absolutely right we have no provisions for lunch other than to go lunches so i know

[1:00:27] Voice 12: you're all going to get hungry and so we absolutely as i just said a moment ago we need

[1:00:33] Voice 12: to move to motions and decisions there's a

[1:00:36] Voice 12: motion that's been tabled we need to get that back on the

[1:00:39] Voice 12: floor we need to determine whether we're just going to simply vote on that or vote on some

[1:00:46] Voice 12: other motion but absolutely what needs to happen in the next i'm going to say three hours we at a

[1:00:55] Voice 12: minimum have to get a budget and that is going to be driven by motions and it's great to hear i

[1:01:00] Voice 12: actually appreciate hearing what i'm hearing around the table i'm appreciating looking in

[1:01:04] Voice 12: the eyes of the members around me this is not easy this is a i've always said the budget is

[1:01:11] Voice 12: the most difficult thing we do and this is probably the most difficult budget we've ever had

[1:01:17] Voice 12: there are a lot of there's a lot of hurting and everything else going on in this room

[1:01:20] Voice 12: I want to, so therefore, it's not my favorite thing to do, but I'm going to say, let's finish the speaker's list. We'll get these two folks here to finish. I'd say no more. We need to put a time limit on this. And I'm thinking there's an hour time limit. And we need to adopt some kind of a budget. And that's going to require compromise on everybody's part.

[1:01:45] Voice 12: and there's not anywhere near enough information to have a fully informed decision here

[1:01:50] Voice 12: because this came late and let's try not to do this again so that's all right that's my process

[1:01:57] Voice 12: right so let's go to sue allen fast laura be shaken and then let's get some motions on the

[1:02:02] Voice 12: floor or please if you've got motions anybody okay

[1:02:08] Trustee Fast: um with that invitation um and having heard

[1:02:13] Trustee Fast: the last few speakers um and been moved by the uh principles and uh passion for the environment that

[1:02:22] Trustee Fast: i've heard i'm going to move motion number one at 13.1 that the islands trust council bylaw 185

[1:02:33] Trustee Fast: cited as financial plan bylaw 2022-23 be read a first time this is the draft budget that went

[1:02:40] Trustee Fast: head out for consultation that's what i move point

[1:02:45] Trustee Morrison: of order what's

[1:02:46] Voice 12: your point of order trustee

[1:02:48] Voice 12: we

[1:02:48] Trustee Morrison: had a motion on the table that we were actually doing this discussion and amending

[1:02:54] Trustee Morrison: or reviewing the budget so that seems out of order to me um

[1:02:59] Voice 12: i would tend to agree that it

[1:03:01] Voice 12: seems out of order i'm going to turn to our legislative service manager and certainly we've

[1:03:06] Voice 12: got a motion on the table um and of course there's multiple aspects to this we've got a motion that's

[1:03:12] Voice 12: been tabled that is about the budget and and uh a discussion around uh another budget would

[1:03:19] Voice 12: advancing the uh to first reading the budget that we have in front of us prepared um

[1:03:27] Voice 12: would that be out of order it seems to be in possible conflict of a different motion that's

[1:03:34] Voice 12: on the floor but i'm not 100 clear on that you have a recommendation

[1:03:40] Voice 15: a

[1:03:45] Voice 12: microphone's on somewhere

[1:03:46] Voice 12: go ahead i

[1:03:48] Voice 20: think the motion for first reading would um is contrary to the motion that's sitting

[1:03:53] Voice 20: on the table so it would be best to deal with that one first

[1:03:56] Voice 12: right thank you that's uh i think that's

[1:03:58] Voice 12: what the um point of order is suggesting and i tend to agree

[1:04:02] Trustee Fast: so can

[1:04:03] Trustee Fast: i go on with my

[1:04:04] Trustee Fast: get my mic there we go thank you uh because i can't see that motion and i wasn't on i was

[1:04:11] Trustee Fast: unclear so thank you i'd just like to make a few comments then um uh for the trust to be more

[1:04:19] Trustee Fast: relevant and effective as brought forward in that governance review report i don't think we do that

[1:04:26] Trustee Fast: by reducing to a skeleton trust as uh to hear a rockefeller mentioned um i'm going to speak

[1:04:33] Trustee Fast: specifically about compromises and an advance and an attempt to get to a budget um i'm hoping that

[1:04:39] Trustee Fast: we can keep the secretariat function as my colleague grant scott said um reaching out to

[1:04:45] Trustee Fast: other agencies is important for local trust committees uh the secretariat function as i

[1:04:50] Trustee Fast: know it is um i know it best from how sound i think it's really important and to fund that

[1:04:56] Trustee Fast: that $15,000 secretariat proposal.

[1:05:01] Trustee Fast: I would like to put the Bowen Island groundwater recharge mapping back into the pool

[1:05:09] Trustee Fast: and sacrifice that because I don't think it's quite ready for collaboration

[1:05:13] Trustee Fast: with Bowen Island Municipality at this point.

[1:05:16] Trustee Fast: If that would make a difference to pull out that one piece,

[1:05:19] Trustee Fast: I think that is something that could wait where the secretariat function could not.

[1:05:25] Trustee Fast: so that's my uh proposal um thank you okay

[1:05:31] Voice 12: so i'm let let me help try let me in my way

[1:05:35] Voice 12: try to help you yeah that's the chair i think we need to get this motion back on the floor

[1:05:41] Voice 12: and we need to vote on it and then we need to move to whatever the next place is

[1:05:45] Voice 12: but lord be shaken yeah

[1:05:48] Trustee Busheikin: um yeah i'm also the i appreciate your honesty about we don't know what

[1:05:56] Trustee Busheikin: our process is this is um to some degree

[1:05:59] Trustee Busheikin: um it's just challenging and i think we're all doing a

[1:06:03] Trustee Busheikin: pretty good job staff in particular uh of dealing with the challenges before us um because i had

[1:06:09] Trustee Busheikin: something i put my hand up to say which was moving towards emotion um and i'll just so that people

[1:06:15] Trustee Busheikin: know what i'm thinking i won't make a motion but these are my thoughts i'm i was okay with

[1:06:22] Trustee Busheikin: the fpc budget as i guess all of us were almost all of us at fpc i don't think anyone was totally

[1:06:30] Trustee Busheikin: happy with it but we compromised we worked together and we got a budget we all felt was

[1:06:35] Trustee Busheikin: something we could support for the trust area for the coming year um and if i had my druthers i

[1:06:41] Trustee Busheikin: I would just vote that one in.

[1:06:42] Trustee Busheikin: But we are here to work together.

[1:06:45] Trustee Busheikin: We've been asked quite firmly to do a better job of collaborating and making decisions we all feel we can live with.

[1:06:56] Trustee Busheikin: And that is, we're being tested.

[1:06:59] Trustee Busheikin: So I think a spirit of compromise and compromise and respect, we were all voted in by constituents.

[1:07:06] Trustee Busheikin: constituents we are all here to represent uh many different ideas and values and ideas about

[1:07:14] Trustee Busheikin: what's the best way to do preserve and protect so we do need to respect each other um so i'm

[1:07:20] Trustee Busheikin: certainly um here listening and undertaking this work in in good faith and willing to compromise

[1:07:25] Trustee Busheikin: but i think my voters elected me for um they are not the only ones um and uh so what i would like

[1:07:36] Trustee Busheikin: to see happen uh i think that the motion before us is uh got us here i think it's too blunt i

[1:07:45] Trustee Busheikin: think is what we're exploring here i need to explore more is uh something heading in that

[1:07:51] Trustee Busheikin: direction but not as clearly defined um what i would like to see i think what we were hearing

[1:07:58] Trustee Busheikin: Hearing from the 600 or so people who said they want services and programs reduced, it was that they want services and programs reduced.

[1:08:08] Trustee Busheikin: And when I look at the comments, they're worried about, what is that called, that word that ends with creep, that people use mandate creep, scope creep, and that the trust is getting bigger and bigger.

[1:08:19] Trustee Busheikin: And they don't want that.

[1:08:21] Trustee Busheikin: For the trust to stay the same, the budget would have to get bigger every year.

[1:08:26] Trustee Busheikin: There's cost of living and there's all the mandatory staff increases and then increases of things like insurance that are much higher than cost of living.

[1:08:35] Trustee Busheikin: So just to have steady state, our budget has to increase.

[1:08:39] Trustee Busheikin: I don't think we explain that in the questionnaire. That's for us to understand.

[1:08:45] Trustee Busheikin: Also, this is an election year. There's election expenses, there's hardware expenses, there's training expenses and there's an extra meeting.

[1:08:53] Trustee Busheikin: Those are extraordinary expenses that happen every four years. I'd like to see a set, a guideline for the budget that it will not improve or not improve, not exceed last year's numbers with the addition of the election expenses, related expenses due to training, extra meetings, hardware, and set a number there and then see how we can fill in.

[1:09:23] Trustee Busheikin: And there's some things that have been removed in the current proposed budget that I think

[1:09:27] Trustee Busheikin: would be very harmful to the trust area, and particularly, I'd say, the secretariat services.

[1:09:32] Trustee Busheikin: It's a little bit of money that goes a long, long way.

[1:09:35] Trustee Busheikin: It ties into relationship building.

[1:09:38] Trustee Busheikin: It ties into reconciliation.

[1:09:40] Trustee Busheikin: Amazing work is being done.

[1:09:42] Trustee Busheikin: And there's all other things that have been mentioned that are really important that I

[1:09:46] Trustee Busheikin: think we need to retain that are from the FPC budget.

[1:09:51] Trustee Busheikin: budget so I'd like to see us defeat this and move on to a more compromised uh budget proposal

[1:09:59] Trustee Busheikin: okay

[1:10:02] Voice 12: thank you so that was the end of my speakers list I'm going for me I had my oh yeah let me

[1:10:09] Voice 12: so you had your hand up and I'm going to go to Dan Rogers because I think Dan Rogers wants to

[1:10:17] Voice 12: to make a motion.

[1:10:19] Voice 12: Well, I

[1:10:20] Voice 5: wanna say something.

[1:10:21] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:10:23] Voice 5: This is hard and it's revealing all of the same things

[1:10:34] Voice 5: that the governance review talked about.

[1:10:37] Voice 5: And it's, those are just completely different approaches

[1:10:42] Voice 5: to how governance works

[1:10:44] Voice 5: and how we organize this organization.

[1:10:47] Voice 5: I hope you, I don't know what my reputation is amongst a number of trustees, but I hope that there's been some understanding that I try and move things forward in a constructive fashion and try and find a way forward as opposed to heading towards a confrontation.

[1:11:08] Voice 5: confrontation. I'd rather us find a way forward. And here is what I think the way forward for me

[1:11:15] Voice 5: is, and I hope it's attractive to some other people. I think there's some things in this

[1:11:21] Voice 5: budget that we can amend, the FPC budget. I want to follow up thanks to my friend,

[1:11:30] Voice 5: Vice Chair Fast. I talked to my friend, Trustee Stamford, and we're prepared to at least

[1:11:39] Voice 5: the three of us i haven't talked to uh trustee kale uh but presuming he's driving he's part of

[1:11:45] Voice 5: the drivers on the budget cuts he would agree to this we're prepared to have uh to propose to defer

[1:11:52] Voice 5: the the water napping for the house sound area for at least next year um it just it can wait

[1:12:02] Voice 5: frankly um and that's i think eighty four thousand dollars of the budget um i think that i hate i'm

[1:12:12] Voice 5: not going to use the word i'll use it just to say i'm not going to use a churn because i think

[1:12:16] Voice 5: that's an entirely disrespectful term to refer to people um but uh i think that the fact that we

[1:12:25] Voice 5: have employees who leave us in positions that are

[1:12:29] Voice 5: unfilled for a while. I think we can build that

[1:12:33] Voice 5: into the budget, and we've been given a number of $170,000.

[1:12:37] Voice 5: That's why I asked the question at the end of the day yesterday

[1:12:43] Voice 5: about building some

[1:12:45] Voice 5: contingency into that. If we remove that

[1:12:49] Voice 5: from the budget calculations for the salaries, accounting for the fact

[1:12:53] Voice 5: that we have turnover that occurs from time to time, that's $170,000 we can take out of the

[1:13:02] Voice 5: budget. I hate to say this because I've been a huge advocate for housing. I expect we could

[1:13:12] Voice 5: probably postpone the $10,000 for the housing bylaws for a year as well. So I think there's

[1:13:22] Voice 5: probably a 260 000 out of a budget that i completely support and that we could remove

[1:13:30] Voice 5: to give us a figure that's lower but um i i don't understand why we're there's a proposal to take

[1:13:39] Voice 5: less money out of our surplus uh and i it it really doesn't make any sense to me um but if

[1:13:48] Voice 5: If we do those things, we make up the difference with whatever the surplus is,

[1:13:54] Voice 5: we'll end up with a budget of about $9,200,000.

[1:13:59] Voice 5: I haven't done the numbers.

[1:14:00] Voice 5: $9,200,000 and something thousand.

[1:14:03] Voice 5: But I think the first step is to take this motion that was thrown on the table yesterday

[1:14:08] Voice 5: that has caused all of this, defeat it, and then I will, if nobody else will,

[1:14:14] Voice 5: Well, I'll make a motion to adopt the FTPPC budget minus those three items, reduced by those three items, and adopt that as our budget for next year.

[1:14:27] Voice 5: So that's my proposal, but it's going to require us to defeat the motion that I'm going to currently move to untable to allow us to get to that point.

[1:14:39] Voice 5: um i just can't imagine us going into next year and telling our our indigenous friends and our

[1:14:49] Voice 5: first nations we work so hard to try and create a relationship we're not going to do the the

[1:14:55] Voice 5: cultural heritage over work it's um it would it would it would it would completely undermine our

[1:15:04] Voice 5: our relationship and be absolutely the wrong thing to do.

[1:15:07] Voice 5: It would, we, I can't imagine removing the secretariat

[1:15:11] Voice 5: funds function.

[1:15:12] Voice 5: It has done more to create goodwill with organizations

[1:15:16] Voice 5: around the trust than anything else that we have done

[1:15:20] Voice 5: working with communities.

[1:15:23] Voice 30: I just don't get it.

[1:15:25] Voice 30: I just don't get it.

[1:15:29] Voice 15: Sorry. I don't know.

[1:15:30] Voice 15: I don't know who that was.

[1:15:33] Voice 7: Trustee Scott unmuted.

[1:15:36] Voice 15: Oh yeah.

[1:15:50] Voice 15: and you're muted now if you're talking online people cannot hear the room anymore can you hear

[1:16:21] Voice 5: me now okay thank you i

[1:16:25] Voice 5: don't know where i ended up but i was about to uh i am moving we untable

[1:16:29] Voice 5: the motion whatever number it was uh that was up on the screen from trustee right from yesterday

[1:16:36] Voice 5: today and uh and point

[1:16:39] Trustee Morrison: of order go ahead sorry but the the point that the reason the motion was

[1:16:47] Trustee Morrison: tabled was to come up with some type of compromise budget before we retable it that was specifically

[1:16:53] Trustee Morrison: the reason it was untabled so the the ideas that trustee rogers has to change the budget

[1:16:59] Trustee Morrison: need to be addressed first before we untable the motion thank you if

[1:17:03] Voice 5: you want to do that that's

[1:17:05] Voice 5: That's fine, I think it's cart horse,

[1:17:07] Voice 5: but then I'll move that we adopt the FPC budget

[1:17:13] Voice 5: minus $170,000 in salaries and benefits

[1:17:19] Voice 5: and minus the, whatever it's called, the water.

[1:17:29] Voice 12: I think we're trapped in a little more,

[1:17:32] Voice 1: just

[1:17:33] Voice 12: a moment then.

[1:17:33] Voice 12: I think we're trapped in a little Mobius loop here.

[1:17:36] Voice 12: and that's the only phrase I can think of,

[1:17:39] Voice 12: is we've got a motion that's been tabled

[1:17:42] Voice 12: that has, well, one, it's there,

[1:17:45] Voice 12: and two, the language in it is specific,

[1:17:50] Voice 12: and as much as giving first reading

[1:17:53] Voice 12: to the budget that's proposed

[1:17:56] Voice 12: or any amendments to that budget,

[1:17:58] Voice 12: I think there's some conflict here.

[1:18:01] Voice 12: So, CEO Hudson-Piller, you can help me out.

[1:18:03] Voice 12: i don't know if i can um

[1:18:06] Voice 14: can i just speak very frankly always i'd forget about the motions for

[1:18:13] Voice 14: now and i don't know i would you've got now three and a half different budgets that you're trying to

[1:18:21] Voice 14: think your way through yeah

[1:18:22] Voice 14: the fpc budget the brent proposed budget the analysis of that by

[1:18:26] Voice 14: staff and now a budget that might have some other amendments to it and i don't know which one of

[1:18:31] Voice 14: of those you want to do but it might be of value to pick one of them as

[1:18:37] Voice 7: the premise of your

[1:18:38] Voice 7: discussions for adding and subtracting and work off of you know this is the closest

[1:18:45] Voice 14: version that

[1:18:47] Voice 14: that we can have these conversations around instead of you'll never get there if there's

[1:18:54] Voice 14: always three budgets on the table or three budgets and then an amendment to the original budget i

[1:19:00] Voice 14: I kind of think you are where you are.

[1:19:02] Voice 14: And so just pick one and then you can add or subtract your way back to any of the other ones available.

[1:19:10] Voice 14: So without any motions, really, I think you should just go, this is where we can start to have these conversations.

[1:19:18] Voice 14: And then from there, get into the five or six things that are probably going to affect the bottom line associated with that.

[1:19:25] Voice 14: Okay.

[1:19:25] Voice 14: I'd start there.

[1:19:26] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:19:27] Voice 12: So I would actually like to see what the motion was that tabled the motion that was there before.

[1:19:35] Voice 12: But I think that Dan is potentially moving us in this direction to pick a budget and work off of it, which would be the budget that's originally proposed by FPC.

[1:19:47] Voice 5: Correct. So that's what I was attempting to do, was use the FPC budget and remove three items from it.

[1:19:56] Voice 5: and and and then move forward with that as our budget that's what my but i'm i don't have to

[1:20:03] Voice 5: put a motion on the table i can um uh i don't i'm not sure that's the one i was choosing i just

[1:20:10] Voice 5: don't think that the one the personally i can't work with the budget so okay

[1:20:17] Voice 12: well if those are

[1:20:18] Voice 12: the motions that happened yesterday um there may have been tacit agreement that we were gonna

[1:20:29] Voice 12: to review these things but there's no obligation that we were going to come back with anything and

[1:20:35] Voice 12: so

[1:20:36] Trustee Morrison: suggestion yes

[1:20:39] Voice 12: um

[1:20:40] Trustee Morrison: so i i totally hear what trustee rogers is saying um i i think we need

[1:20:47] Trustee Morrison: to have a show of hands of which base budget we need to go forward with and i i agree completely

[1:20:52] Trustee Morrison: with the cao we need to pick one base budget and then we need to add or subtract from it

[1:20:55] Trustee Morrison: so my preference would be the one that the staff worked up last night i can get behind that um and

[1:21:02] Trustee Morrison: i'm happy to consider amendments to that or like you know some of the things that have been talked

[1:21:06] Trustee Morrison: about but i do agree that this conversation is not going forward without an agreement

[1:21:11] Trustee Morrison: like a voted agreement on which base budget we're working from okay

[1:21:18] Voice 12: so there's obviously

[1:21:19] Voice 12: some difference of opinion around the table about what that base budget should be

[1:21:25] Voice 12: from a logical perspective it should be either the one proposed by fbc or the amended one that

[1:21:33] Voice 12: staff have brought to us today maybe it makes more sense to do the amended one from staff today

[1:21:41] Voice 14: um go ahead why don't you make a motion to discuss that but the budget that has been presented today

[1:21:49] Voice 14: Okay, I think so.

[1:21:49] Voice 14: And then you can have it.

[1:21:51] Voice 4: Can we do a straw poll?

[1:21:53] Voice 4: I strongly disagree that we should do the staff budget.

[1:21:57] Voice 4: I think we should work off the Financial Planning Committee budget.

[1:22:02] Voice 4: That's the one that all the work has been done on.

[1:22:05] Voice 4: Otherwise, we just throw the whole committee system away.

[1:22:10] Voice 4: Let's just leave and we'll vote for whatever staff recommends.

[1:22:14] Voice 12: Okay, thank you.

[1:22:15] Voice 12: I agree.

[1:22:18] Voice 12: let's try and maintain some order here and uh you can raise your hands and i'll try my best to

[1:22:25] Voice 12: watch for those hands and i'll provide you with the floor um so i want to see

[1:22:31] Voice 12: i think what i want to see i'm trying to push this ahead i'd like to see a motion for a

[1:22:39] Voice 12: recommendation of where we start and at this juncture i see steve wright's hand up

[1:22:46] Voice 12: and and but uh well i don't know whose hand went up first but uh steve wright your hand i know has

[1:22:52] Voice 12: been up for some time and steve please help us out well

[1:22:56] Voice 23: first off i think this the discussion

[1:22:59] Voice 23: has gone somewhat sideways and uh from uh and and certainly not reflecting the spirit of the

[1:23:05] Voice 23: original motion no one here that i believe is arguing or disagreeing with the passion or the

[1:23:12] Voice 23: intent of trustee rockefeller or scott gilbert i don't think we're sitting here talking about

[1:23:19] Voice 23: what we have to cut or what we have to remove in order to that might injure the our ability

[1:23:25] Voice 23: to fulfill our mandate or to have a staff level uh that that can do its job i think there's a

[1:23:33] Voice 23: first off mistake last night we created this situation and then we dump it on staff and say

[1:23:39] Voice 23: you find a solution yes i'm going to interrupt just a second let's get somewhere what while i'm

[1:23:45] Voice 23: saying here is that this motion was to talk about efficiencies and we're not talking about

[1:23:51] Voice 23: efficiencies we're talking we're talking originally about the scope how we're drifting off into areas

[1:23:59] Voice 23: such as uh trustee scott mentioned we're getting into jurisdictions that do not belong to us

[1:24:05] Voice 23: we're getting into areas that we shouldn't be in we're doing redundant reports we're copying

[1:24:11] Voice 23: reports that should be done by other agencies these are where the inefficiencies are order

[1:24:16] Voice 24: point of order

[1:24:17] Voice 24: we're off topic again i think so

[1:24:19] Voice 23: if we're if we're going to discuss a budget

[1:24:22] Voice 23: let's discuss a budget from the effect

[1:24:23] Voice 24: hang on okay

[1:24:24] Voice 23: i gotta stop you okay i've

[1:24:27] Voice 12: got a point

[1:24:27] Voice 15: thank you

[1:24:28] Voice 20: and

[1:24:29] Voice 12: i need to listen to the point of order yep good and honestly we've had an

[1:24:35] Voice 12: And we know where we're all standing on this.

[1:24:37] Voice 12: We need to get a firm motion.

[1:24:39] Voice 12: Janine?

[1:24:41] Voice 24: I think we need, you asked Steve, to do something concrete.

[1:24:45] Voice 24: We don't need long speeches.

[1:24:46] Voice 24: We all know basically where we need to go.

[1:24:49] Voice 24: We need to get a firm motion that guides us into a set direction.

[1:24:53] Voice 23: I'm going to say, if you want to accept the FTC budget, then make that decision.

[1:24:58] Voice 23: And I think that's where it is.

[1:24:59] Voice 23: if you if you if you think that the inefficiencies are not there and they're okay then tell the

[1:25:05] Voice 23: constituents that this is how we believe this is our position and steve and that's it so let's just

[1:25:12] Voice 23: vote on the budget let's get a

[1:25:13] Voice 12: motion yeah paul brent you got a motion yes

[1:25:18] Voice 26: i'm going to move that

[1:25:19] Voice 26: we use the staff uh prepared budget on which to base our discussions with in respect of passing

[1:25:26] Voice 26: passing a budget. Thank you, Paul. Do I have a seconder?

[1:25:31] Voice 12: Ben McConkey seconded. I don't know

[1:25:34] Voice 12: that we need to debate this. I think we should just move. It's a place to start from, which

[1:25:40] Voice 12: further decisions will affect what the outcome is. So is there any objection to me calling the vote?

[1:25:46] Voice 12: Are we ready to call the vote?

[1:25:48] Trustee Fast: Can I just check? That's the column labeled staff adjusted

[1:25:51] Trustee Fast: in the email that was sent. Yeah. Thank you.

[1:25:54] Voice 12: All right. So I'll call for the vote then.

[1:25:57] Voice 12: somebody on on the line there no okay i'm going to call the vote all those in favor

[1:26:07] Voice 15: and just keep your hands up and three online so

[1:26:17] Voice 12: that carries and i want to thank and i totally

[1:26:21] Voice 12: respect all of the points of view in the

[1:26:24] Voice 12: room um and actually i apologize um those opposed

[1:26:29] Voice 12: um should have the opportunity to raise their hands and so for the record there's oh one two

[1:26:37] Voice 12: two, three, four, five, five online, and one, two, three, four in the room. So the motion does carry.

[1:26:47] Voice 12: So now we have made that decision to start with the new presentation from staff. So I think

[1:26:59] Voice 12: quite honestly, we need a motion to untable the previous motion and dispense with it. And then

[1:27:06] Voice 12: we need to go into determining all or none of those uh cuts um to the to the recommended budget

[1:27:17] Voice 12: um be included or excluded accordingly so um does somebody would somebody like to make a motion to

[1:27:23] Voice 12: bring that motion back onto the floor i

[1:27:25] Voice 26: will make the motion to bring the motion made by

[1:27:29] Voice 26: trustee wright back onto the floor moved

[1:27:32] Voice 12: do i have a seconder uh trustee wright um i'm not

[1:27:39] Voice 12: sure if that's uh debatable i think we'll just call the vote all those in favor favorite emotion

[1:27:46] Voice 12: in

[1:27:47] Voice 27: favor

[1:27:48] Voice 12: of the motion of bringing the uh yesterday's motion to this table back onto

[1:27:52] Voice 12: the floor all right so all those in favor keep your hands up while comments during the counting

[1:28:09] Voice 5: I made the same motion.

[1:28:10] Voice 5: It was ruled out of order.

[1:28:11] Voice 5: So, well, it's, yeah, sorry.

[1:28:17] Voice 12: We've ended up, at the end of the day,

[1:28:19] Voice 12: we've ended up where we need to be.

[1:28:20] Voice 12: So now there's three online.

[1:28:23] Voice 12: And I'll just ask for those hands that are opposed

[1:28:25] Voice 12: to putting this motion back on the floor.

[1:28:29] Voice 12: Point of order.

[1:28:30] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:28:31] Trustee Busheikin: Sorry, you need to take a point of order.

[1:28:33] Trustee Busheikin: And it's important because this is,

[1:28:36] Trustee Busheikin: people are watching us and people will be analyzing this.

[1:28:38] Trustee Busheikin: And if we procedurally make a mistake,

[1:28:41] Trustee Busheikin: stake that we may be sent back to the drawing table I'm hearing some some discussion at the

[1:28:46] Trustee Busheikin: table last time that motion was brought forward it was ruled out of order and now it's in order

[1:28:52] Trustee Busheikin: I'm not against moving ahead with motion but I need to know that this is transparent and correct

[1:28:57] Trustee Busheikin: and what are the what are the implications and what are the options it's just very confusing

[1:29:01] Trustee Busheikin: procedurally so I'd like to ask our legislative expert

[1:29:04] Voice 12: okay well I'm trying to do the best we can

[1:29:07] Voice 12: here with all the points of order uh carmen are we on good ground here seed i

[1:29:21] Voice 20: don't know i i think

[1:29:22] Voice 20: it would still be best to deal with that tabled motion which motion the tabled motion but is that

[1:29:28] Voice 20: not what we're doing yes that is what we're doing all

[1:29:32] Voice 12: right so let me let me just assess where we

[1:29:36] Voice 12: are. Yesterday, the original motion came forward about coming to the 2021-22 budget, that discussion.

[1:29:48] Voice 12: That motion was tabled until we had opportunity for staff that volunteered to create an alternate

[1:29:57] Voice 12: alternate budget based upon a budget proposal that

[1:30:00] Voice 12: was brought forward by trustee brent that work has been done we've seen that it's been presented to

[1:30:06] Voice 12: us we have just made a motion here that decided that we would use this alternate motion that's

[1:30:15] Voice 12: been or alternate budget brought to us by staff based upon the brent budget as a starting point

[1:30:21] Voice 12: for our discussions so that was the reason why we tabled the original motion now we're bringing this

[1:30:28] Voice 12: motion back under the table right through this now motion to bring it back onto the floor

[1:30:35] Voice 12: and then what we need to do quite honestly is vote this down and then make amendments to the

[1:30:42] Voice 12: if necessary to the budget that's been advanced from last night and move on does this does that

[1:30:49] Voice 12: sound legislatively yes correct yeah as much as it could be in a difficult situation yes i think

[1:30:55] Voice 12: it's all right okay so now i think i have a motion on the table to uh to bring the last night's

[1:31:03] Voice 12: original motion back onto the floor for us to decide is everybody okay with this on the on the

[1:31:11] Voice 12: phone line there all right so then that motion has been made and seconded and now i'm going to call

[1:31:19] Voice 12: the vote on that motion all those in favor

[1:31:23] Voice 15: okay

[1:31:25] Voice 12: what's the question

[1:31:27] Voice 15: sorry no

[1:31:28] Voice 12: we've got interrupted

[1:31:30] Voice 12: so all those in favor to bring the motion back onto the floor the right motion from last night

[1:31:38] Voice 15: all those in favor hands up we're

[1:31:49] Voice 12: not voting on the motion itself i

[1:31:53] Voice 20: think we already did that i've

[1:31:55] Voice 20: got carried on i think we did but that's okay

[1:31:58] Voice 12: so we've now untabled it yes and it's now on the

[1:32:01] Voice 12: floor right and to be quite honest i don't think we need to debate this motion any further um with

[1:32:08] Voice 12: full respect for everything we've heard from everybody but we do need to get it out of the

[1:32:13] Voice 12: way so that we can advance do i have a general consent to call that vote all right then so let's

[1:32:20] Voice 12: call the vote on this motion. All those in favor? The one that's on the screen.

[1:32:28] Voice 12: Trustee Wright. Trustee Wright. Yeah, sorry. All those in favor of the motion on the screen

[1:32:35] Voice 12: from last night?

[1:32:37] Voice 15: Trustee Wright. Okay, I see one in favor on the screen.

[1:32:46] Voice 12: No in favors in the room.

[1:32:48] Voice 12: So I'm going to now call for those opposed to

[1:32:51] Voice 15: the motion. Are you counting there, Carmen? No.

[1:32:59] Voice 15: Oh, sorry. And,

[1:33:06] Voice 12: and five on the screen. So that motion fails. Yes. So it's defeated.

[1:33:15] Voice 12: Now, we've decided on using the proposal from staff to amend the motion to working from

[1:33:28] Voice 12: Trustee Brent's. So I think now, this would be the challenge here to determine whether or not

[1:33:34] Voice 12: we just accept that as it presented or whether you want to make amendments to that in order to

[1:33:41] Voice 12: satisfy the many of the concerns that have been expressed uh is this a okay that's the motion

[1:33:48] Voice 12: that's been carried perfect so i'm going to ask now to try and move this along are there any motions

[1:33:55] Voice 12: to and uh trust uh ceo hudson pillar we're about to get promoted over to you somebody's mic is on

[1:34:10] Voice 7: So what would help you?

[1:34:12] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:34:13] Voice 14: What would help

[1:34:13] Voice 14: you have this discussion?

[1:34:15] Voice 14: Is it the document we had up there or the one we've just sent you?

[1:34:19] Voice 14: Yeah.

[1:34:19] Voice 14: That you can look in?

[1:34:20] Voice 14: We can, if you want to take a five-minute break and get a coffee,

[1:34:24] Voice 14: maybe we can do the top five things and put it up in a word doc.

[1:34:28] Voice 7: No?

[1:34:29] Voice 7: Top ten.

[1:34:29] Voice 14: Top ten.

[1:34:30] Voice 14: And you could just have those or any other things that you're interested in

[1:34:34] Voice 14: adding or deleting, and we could put those on screen in simple language.

[1:34:37] Voice 14: which, so it's not, that's

[1:34:40] Voice 12: incredibly helpful.

[1:34:41] Voice 12: And a coffee break would be well-received.

[1:34:44] Voice 12: So let's break for five.

[1:34:46] Voice 12: We'll get a top 10 list.

[1:34:49] Voice 12: And we will then determine if there's other items

[1:34:53] Voice 12: that need to be added to that top 10 list.

[1:34:55] Voice 12: And then we'll work through it,

[1:34:57] Voice 12: rolling up our sleeves here now,

[1:34:59] Voice 12: and we'll work through that list

[1:35:00] Voice 12: to get to a place that we can agree upon.

[1:35:02] Voice 12: What can we live with?

[1:35:04] Voice 12: That's my message.

[1:35:05] Voice 12: What can we live with here?

[1:35:07] Voice 12: to get this done today.

[1:35:08] Voice 12: He's

[1:35:09] Voice 5: got some hands up.

[1:35:10] Voice 12: Pardon me?

[1:35:11] Voice 12: He's got hands up.

[1:35:12] Voice 12: Yeah, so I see a number of hands up in the room

[1:35:15] Voice 12: on the electronic screen.

[1:35:19] Voice 12: Scott Colburn, can I have some quiet, please, Scott Colburn?

[1:35:24] Voice 1: It's difficult to follow at home,

[1:35:26] Voice 1: but I would like to move that the heritage overlay mapping

[1:35:30] Voice 1: and reconciliation action plan items

[1:35:33] Voice 1: be put back into the budget, please.

[1:35:35] Voice 1: I'm not gonna sit through a break

[1:35:36] Voice 1: with those out of this budget.

[1:35:37] Voice 1: it i'm

[1:35:39] Voice 12: sorry okay well i think that

[1:35:42] Voice 15: we're

[1:35:46] Voice 12: getting a little ahead of ourselves here but i want to

[1:35:48] Voice 12: respect that that's a motion that somebody has just called for and i'll simply ask a seconder

[1:35:54] Voice 12: all right so um then um do you want to speak to the motion

[1:36:01] Voice 1: yes we have a shared responsibility

[1:36:07] Voice 1: sometimes it's not all on the islands trust or its residents it's a shared responsibility

[1:36:11] Voice 1: with the province we have stepped into this work and we're learning um this is vital that we budget

[1:36:17] Voice 1: and and fund it uh and it's not just words that there's action and the overlay mapping i think

[1:36:24] Voice 1: the biggest thing that we can do in in our lifetimes is to respect cultural heritage sites

[1:36:32] Voice 1: and to undo some of the damage that's been done in the relationships um and i'm horrified to see

[1:36:39] Voice 1: this removed from the budget i'll be honest and that's where a lot of the emotion comes from um

[1:36:43] Voice 1: but it's also just lived experience of of what relationship building means and what we've learned

[1:36:48] Voice 1: this term together i respectfully ask that we put this back as we discussed as the beginning

[1:36:53] Voice 1: of discussing um any compromises in terms of the process for budgeting

[1:37:04] Voice 27: can

[1:37:04] Voice 12: we uh thank you we one voice all right everybody one voice in the room and at the

[1:37:13] Voice 12: moment it's mine and i want to give that voice we need a talking stick i want to give that to

[1:37:18] Voice 12: so if we took a five

[1:37:22] Voice 14: minute break we could get a top 10 list of the things then and illustrate so

[1:37:26] Voice 14: So for right now, the reconciliation action programming

[1:37:30] Voice 14: is in the budget, as is the freshwater programming

[1:37:34] Voice 14: and any other associated, a minor lift associated with travel.

[1:37:41] Voice 14: And then, so here's the three or four themes,

[1:37:43] Voice 14: a minor lift associated with travel in anticipation

[1:37:47] Voice 14: of a non-COVID new trust council reality,

[1:37:51] Voice 14: commitment to the strategic planning process

[1:37:54] Voice 14: through the addition of two significant projects,

[1:37:57] Voice 14: That's the water project and the equity associated

[1:38:01] Voice 14: with the delivery of that and its connection

[1:38:04] Voice 14: to the First Nations work and mapping work that we're doing.

[1:38:08] Voice 14: So that's the second project.

[1:38:09] Voice 14: Those are both inside the proposed current document.

[1:38:14] Voice 14: Okay, and we can get that and put it up on the screen

[1:38:17] Voice 14: so you're sure what you're considering

[1:38:19] Voice 14: and then you can add or subtract as you see fit.

[1:38:22] Voice 14: Right,

[1:38:22] Voice 12: so working on this.

[1:38:24] Voice 12: So thank you.

[1:38:25] Voice 12: So that list that you're going to create,

[1:38:26] Voice 12: the top 10 items and you're going to put a column in there that says in or out or something like

[1:38:32] Voice 12: that so that when we see it up on the screen we are clear what's in the proposed amended budget

[1:38:40] Voice 12: and what has been removed in simple terms so i'm going to ask you know obviously it's moved

[1:38:47] Voice 12: in second it now belongs to council right but i'm inclined to want to take this break

[1:38:53] Voice 12: get the list and let's be clear about what's in and out

[1:38:56] Voice 12: so that we're not making motions

[1:38:58] Voice 12: that we don't necessarily have to.

[1:39:00] Voice 12: And I see all those hands up in the room.

[1:39:03] Voice 12: Thank you, Tim.

[1:39:05] Voice 12: But I want to turn to the mover and seconder out of respect

[1:39:08] Voice 12: to say, can we just pause, hold on this and have a break

[1:39:13] Voice 12: and get the list and then determine the validity

[1:39:15] Voice 12: of the motion from Trustee Kohlberg.

[1:39:19] Voice 12: um and then it's i know do i get a do i get a nod there it's hard for me to see you at the

[1:39:25] Voice 12: moment scott you okay with that yeah okay no comment okay thank you scott now tim did you

[1:39:33] Voice 12: have something urgent to say yes

[1:39:36] Voice 10: thank you it's often um where you have stuff projected on your

[1:39:40] Voice 10: screen there that doesn't get to our screen here sometimes i'm asking that the list uh either make

[1:39:47] Voice 10: make sure it gets on our screen or even better emailed to us

[1:39:50] Voice 10: so that all of us participating remotely have access

[1:39:54] Voice 10: to look at it easily, thank you.

[1:39:56] Voice 12: Thank you, so let's do that.

[1:39:58] Voice 12: And I'm gonna, when we come back from the break,

[1:40:01] Voice 12: I'm gonna ask you one more thing

[1:40:02] Voice 12: and I'm sorry for all this pressure.

[1:40:04] Voice 12: Try and keep your remarks as succinct as humanly possible.

[1:40:09] Voice 12: Let's go for five minutes, thank you.

[1:49:45] Voice 15: Okay, council, welcome back, thank you.

[1:49:52] Voice 12: I'm not totally sure, Laurie, who's in and who's out now. I know at least one individual has now joined us virtually, and others are still coming back into the room.

[1:50:05] Voice 12: um we've got a list which i believe has been emailed not yet we're not ready on that we are

[1:50:18] Voice 12: now and so i think you know it's it's an interesting little conundrum here and robert's

[1:50:28] Voice 12: rules uh plays a part of it um we have a motion on the floor however this item the heritage overlay

[1:50:38] Voice 12: relay mapping is already included in the proposal from staff so certainly it's a moot would probably

[1:50:49] Voice 12: be the the phrase um i'm advised that the funding that has come out of the reconciliation action

[1:50:56] Voice 12: plan um we can likely find a place for that but it could also be re put back in um

[1:51:03] Voice 12: Um, I, but you know, there's optics in all of this, right?

[1:51:09] Voice 12: I don't, I, I think maybe we should, uh, either Robert's rules doesn't really, this is owned

[1:51:14] Voice 12: by council.

[1:51:15] Voice 12: So it's a motion on the floor.

[1:51:16] Voice 12: I think we should vote on it.

[1:51:17] Voice 12: Um, I would certainly suggest that we, we include it in the budget as, uh, as necessary.

[1:51:25] Voice 12: Um, is there any concerns about that?

[1:51:29] Voice 12: So then from the mover and seconder, I'm going to call the motion, uh, call for the vote

[1:51:34] Voice 12: on your motion that's on the screen.

[1:51:35] Voice 12: and just to ask for all those in favor

[1:51:37] Voice 12: of the motion that's on your screen.

[1:51:43] Voice 12: Even that's already in because it's, if we, yeah.

[1:51:49] Voice 10: We are just, we don't have the motion on our screen, sir.

[1:51:55] Voice 12: Okay, so I'll read the motion out

[1:51:57] Voice 12: from Colburn seconded by Morrison

[1:51:59] Voice 12: that the heritage overlay mapping

[1:52:01] Voice 12: and reconciliation action plan,

[1:52:03] Voice 12: we put back into the budget

[1:52:06] Voice 12: and granted it is already partially in.

[1:52:09] Voice 12: So all those in favor, I just want to move this along.

[1:52:13] Voice 12: And I'm seeing you're counting in the room.

[1:52:19] Voice 12: I've got six on the screen.

[1:52:21] Voice 12: Those opposed, I've got one in the room

[1:52:28] Voice 12: and one on the screen.

[1:52:29] Voice 12: So thank you very much, that carries.

[1:52:31] Voice 12: Okay, so that's dealt with that.

[1:52:33] Voice 12: So now let's get to the list.

[1:52:35] Voice 24: Peter, Peter, I'm just not sure Trustee Scott's hand

[1:52:38] Voice 24: was up long before the vote.

[1:52:40] Voice 24: So I think he's forgotten about his hand.

[1:52:45] Voice 12: Trustee, are you in favor of this motion or against it?

[1:52:49] Voice 30: no i i put my hand up to uh seconded earlier but i see it's already been done so

[1:52:53] Voice 30: so okay just don't sorry so he

[1:52:57] Voice 30: didn't vote the answer is yes or no no i had my hand up to vote

[1:53:01] Voice 30: positive

[1:53:02] Voice 12: anyway

[1:53:05] Voice 30: i vote in favor sorry oh

[1:53:07] Voice 12: thank you that's what i'm looking for let's keep our

[1:53:10] Voice 12: responses succinct yes or no where it's necessary um and let's just assume that i can we can hear

[1:53:16] Voice 12: you and we'll let you know if we can't hear you those kinds of things so let's get the list on

[1:53:21] Voice 12: the screen ceo

[1:53:23] Voice 14: hudson we're getting the list on the screen but i think we're all familiar enough

[1:53:26] Voice 14: with the budget if there was any potential amendments you could begin discussing those

[1:53:31] Voice 14: um and if you have a question i know it quite well so does julia um so i don't think we have

[1:53:35] Voice 14: to halt but right now it's being sent around to everybody um people know enough to know what

[1:53:40] Voice 14: their core interests are and whether they want to speak to those and then and then we can get

[1:53:45] Voice 14: the list up so it's clear thank you okay then so

[1:53:47] Voice 12: um so then i'll just go around the room about

[1:53:52] Voice 12: those items that are in on or not not on the list uh to be included or excluded from the budget

[1:53:58] Voice 12: and i'm going to go dan rogers still and fast case along the race i'm

[1:54:05] Voice 5: going to um

[1:54:06] Voice 5: move that the secretariat services uh function being at fifteen thousand dollars be included

[1:54:14] Voice 5: in the budget second okay you can't

[1:54:20] Voice 5: hear me you can't hear me sorry I move that the

[1:54:23] Voice 5: secretariat services be included in the budget fifteen thousand dollars

[1:54:29] Trustee Fast: and I second okay and

[1:54:31] Voice 12: I guess um I'm just going to ask you Ellen fast let's not jump to seconding let's make sure we

[1:54:38] Voice 12: know what the motion is because once it's seconded it belongs to council and so Laurie

[1:54:45] Voice 12: Lori, can you read that back?

[1:54:48] Voice 12: I'm really wanting to be prescriptive to a process here.

[1:54:53] Voice 12: Sir?

[1:54:58] Voice 7: Somebody's mic is on.

[1:55:02] Voice 14: It's adding the Secretariat Services for $15,000.

[1:55:05] Voice 14: Okay, thank you.

[1:55:06] Voice 14: That's excellent.

[1:55:07] Voice 12: So is there any, do you wish to speak to it in any discussion?

[1:55:11] Voice 12: Succinct?

[1:55:13] Voice 12: No.

[1:55:14] Voice 12: So can I go ahead, Sue Ellen?

[1:55:16] Trustee Fast: I propose we take it out of surplus.

[1:55:24] Voice 12: That's an amendment to the motion.

[1:55:26] Voice 12: Remark with Dawn.

[1:55:29] Voice 12: Say again? Withdrawal. Okay, thank you.

[1:55:32] Voice 27: Yeah,

[1:55:33] Voice 12: no, it's perfect. Okay, I'm going to call the vote. All those in

[1:55:36] Voice 15: favor? And I've got three,

[1:55:48] Voice 12: no, four online that are in favor.

[1:55:54] Voice 12: Now I'm going to ask for those opposed. And Carmen, we've got two opposed on the screen, none opposed in the room. That carries.

[1:56:10] Voice 12: Is there another motion in or out?

[1:56:14] Voice 12: laura bish uh oh sorry no i had a speaker's list um so sue ellen fast case longer ice you're good

[1:56:21] Voice 12: with that so um case longer ice more of a chicken on the screen speakers of the deb morrison and

[1:56:30] Voice 12: scott colburn i'm going to come to you in a minute oh no hands are down so scott colburn uh wishes to

[1:56:37] Voice 12: speak and so case over to you yeah

[1:56:41] Voice 25: i'd like to move that we removed the 15 000 for the website

[1:56:46] Voice 25: site uh um edition which is for a survey i think you know we can we i don't think we need to do

[1:56:56] Voice 25: another survey on the website i think that we can save fifteen thousand dollars that way yeah

[1:57:02] Voice 15: moved

[1:57:04] Voice 12: and seconded fifteen thousand dollars to the website do we need to discuss this yes

[1:57:12] Trustee Busheikin: someone turn off okay thank you i just i'm not quite sure what this is um and i would like to

[1:57:20] Trustee Busheikin: to hear from staff what that is, what survey, what kind of addition, et cetera.

[1:57:29] Voice 28: So the proposed $15,000 would be to undertake some analysis of the website in terms of how

[1:57:36] Voice 28: the traffic is arriving, how people are navigating through the website. It would be undertaking sort

[1:57:40] Voice 28: of a survey of users to find out what their frustrations are, what their, you know, how

[1:57:45] Voice 28: their experience is on the new website. And then it would be using a good portion of the money would

[1:57:49] Voice 28: then be used to do the redesign so getting a programmer in to help us and a designer to help

[1:57:54] Voice 28: us redesign for example the landing pages or some of the menu structures to this refine the new

[1:57:59] Voice 28: website this is common after launching a new website you use it you experience it and then

[1:58:03] Voice 28: you do some tweaks to fix it so the money is not all for a survey the majority of the money would

[1:58:07] Voice 28: be used to then apply the fix to the new site all

[1:58:10] Voice 12: right thank you Laura Bershaken I

[1:58:13] Trustee Busheikin: am in that case

[1:58:14] Trustee Busheikin: he's going to speak against this because I hear a lot of concern about the

[1:58:20] Trustee Busheikin: website concern from trustees. I've heard concern from my constituents.

[1:58:25] Trustee Busheikin: And when I hear those, I want to be able to say,

[1:58:28] Trustee Busheikin: we're taking that seriously. If this goes forward,

[1:58:31] Trustee Busheikin: I will then look people in the eye and say, well,

[1:58:34] Trustee Busheikin: our elected officials voted against doing something about that.

[1:58:38] Voice 12: I

[1:58:38] Trustee Busheikin: don't feel good about saying that.

[1:58:40] Voice 12: Yeah. It's a decision of council, however.

[1:58:42] Voice 12: Okay. So, again, a speaker on the motion. So, Sink, please, everybody.

[1:58:49] Trustee Fast: I'll also be speaking against this, voting against this. I think that I also am hearing

[1:58:55] Trustee Fast: about problems with the website, including from members of elected Bowen Council, and other,

[1:59:03] Trustee Fast: I think it's common to do an analysis of the user experience. If it's not working,

[1:59:09] Trustee Fast: then we need to redesign it and that's what's proposed here it uh is a huge part of how people

[1:59:16] Trustee Fast: experience or learn about the trust and uh so i'm not in favor of this motion

[1:59:21] Voice 12: okay speakers on the motion uh paul

[1:59:24] Voice 26: brent very quickly i'm in favor if it's commonplace then

[1:59:29] Voice 26: why wasn't it originally budgeted for i believe we budgeted 115 000 for website redesign

[1:59:34] Voice 26: design, and other social media things. Thanks. I'm speaking in favor.

[1:59:38] Voice 26: Thank you.

[1:59:39] Voice 12: Any other speakers on the motion?

[1:59:42] Trustee Morrison: I'm here. Two

[1:59:43] Voice 12: speakers on the screen, Scott Colburn

[1:59:45] Voice 12: and Trustee Morrison, followed by... Okay, so who's speaking?

[1:59:51] Voice 1: I yield to Trustee Morrison.

[1:59:54] Voice 12: Trustee Morrison, over to you, speaking on the motion.

[1:59:57] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, actually, I'm just...

[2:00:00] Trustee Morrison: supposed to be on the speaker's list i like turned my hand off because we're voting on and off so

[2:00:03] Trustee Morrison: it's a little difficult for us online here so if you can put me on the speaker's list for then

[2:00:07] Trustee Morrison: later thank you on

[2:00:08] Voice 1: the speaker's list thank you and i was also trying to be on the speaker's list

[2:00:11] Voice 1: so i

[2:00:12] Voice 12: have you for

[2:00:12] Voice 1: later as was

[2:00:15] Voice 12: i okay so then i'm going to call the vote on the motion

[2:00:21] Voice 12: on the screen uh removing fifteen thousand dollars the website edition

[2:00:26] Voice 12: for a survey that's the motion all those in favor and

[2:00:41] Voice 15: i've got three on the screen

[2:00:44] Voice 15: in favor so now those opposed and

[2:00:50] Voice 12: so that motion passes and yeah i'm pretty sure that passes

[2:00:55] Voice 12: did you did you get that count that passes okay thank you um all right then so i'm going to now

[2:01:02] Voice 12: go back to my speakers list which was laura beshaken scott colburn deb morrison and uh

[2:01:09] Voice 12: Jane Wolverton or Patrick.

[2:01:13] Voice 12: Yeah,

[2:01:13] Trustee Busheikin: I am speaking somewhat as an RPC chair.

[2:01:17] Trustee Busheikin: I'm going to propose that we add, it's a project model bylaws for affordable housing back into the budget at half the original budget item, so $5,000.

[2:01:32] Trustee Busheikin: And I'll speak briefly to that.

[2:01:34] Trustee Busheikin: That's our RPC project that's been on our to-do list since at least the beginning of the term, comes out of work done last year.

[2:01:42] Trustee Busheikin: And what is exciting about this is it is a new way of working.

[2:01:46] Trustee Busheikin: So it's gone through a lot of changes.

[2:01:48] Trustee Busheikin: We did, I mean, we haven't done any model bylaws other than the fees bylaw this term.

[2:01:53] Trustee Busheikin: And this probably won't end up being a model bylaw.

[2:01:56] Trustee Busheikin: It'll probably be a, I would say, like orientation and analysis package around housing bylaws.

[2:02:06] Trustee Busheikin: That'll keep us on track.

[2:02:08] Trustee Busheikin: We aren't in charge of housing per se, but we're in charge of bylaws that impact housing.

[2:02:13] Trustee Busheikin: And it'll focus on that.

[2:02:16] Trustee Busheikin: But what's really exciting about it is the idea came from a staff member to bring planners

[2:02:21] Trustee Busheikin: together from across the trust area to do a workshop to say, this is what we know about

[2:02:28] Trustee Busheikin: housing, what's worked on islands, what hasn't worked. Let's compile all that information

[2:02:33] Trustee Busheikin: into something that trustees can use, planners can use, we can use as a basis to talk to our

[2:02:40] Trustee Busheikin: communities about it to help us because numerous LTCs are working on housing to actually help us.

[2:02:47] Trustee Busheikin: So it's this idea of working regionally, getting the planners out of their silos to do something that's pragmatic that will help us in our work.

[2:02:55] Trustee Busheikin: And I do think with housing, we desperately need to understand what is in our wheelhouse and what isn't, because it gets very convoluted with there's BC housing and there's federal housing money and there's what are we doing about housing?

[2:03:08] Trustee Busheikin: It does come down to what is in our bylaws. That is it. And this will focus us on that.

[2:03:14] Trustee Busheikin: is five thousand dollars can be used by multiple ltcs to save money in the long run thank you

[2:03:23] Voice 12: okay first of all i want to know that that's the motion that you've asked for it doesn't seem to

[2:03:28] Voice 12: me the wording is right thank you so let's not jump to seconding

[2:03:33] Trustee Busheikin: affordable housing model bylaws

[2:03:36] Trustee Busheikin: thank you chair luckham for uh focusing me on that all

[2:03:45] Voice 12: right so that's your motion and do we have a

[2:03:47] Voice 12: second do we have a secondary jane wolverton um honestly i don't want to go into a lot of debate

[2:03:53] Voice 12: I think we all know what this is.

[2:03:55] Voice 12: Can I call the vote?

[2:03:59] Voice 12: Now, trust Scott Colburn, your hand is up

[2:04:01] Voice 12: as you wish to speak to the motion.

[2:04:04] Voice 1: Just two sentences quickly.

[2:04:05] Voice 1: I wanna respond to trustee Scott and trustee Critchley

[2:04:09] Voice 1: who made the points that housing isn't in our wheelhouse.

[2:04:14] Voice 1: Part of it is, it's not our complete responsibility,

[2:04:19] Voice 1: but we have to take responsibility

[2:04:20] Voice 1: for those pieces that are.

[2:04:21] Voice 1: And the legal opinion that came through

[2:04:24] Voice 1: with the trust policy statement around what can be included or not laid it very clearly that if

[2:04:31] Voice 1: you believe that residential use is part of what the islands trust has within its mandate it should

[2:04:38] Voice 1: be in the policy statement and it should be budgeted and funded because it's having a knock

[2:04:42] Voice 1: on effects on ecological and all sorts of other healthy outcomes for residents as well so this

[2:04:47] Voice 1: should be way more than five thousand dollars but i i i it absolutely needs to be in the budget and

[2:04:52] Voice 1: And I apologize for making comments, but I need to, because this may be my last chance for the day.

[2:04:57] Voice 12: Thank you. I saw Case Longer. I really need you to be succinct.

[2:05:04] Voice 12: I've just got my timer out and I'm going to just run it every time.

[2:05:09] Voice 12: And I'm going to say one minute when you've talked for one minute.

[2:05:12] Voice 12: But I don't want to compromise the discussion and debate. That's an important part of what we do.

[2:05:17] Voice 12: But we are seriously running out of time. Case Longer.

[2:05:21] Voice 25: Just a point of clarification. $10,000 was taken out and they just wanted to add back in $5,000. That's what it says.

[2:05:30] Trustee Busheikin: Can I just clarify? I have been in touch with staff around the feasibility of that. So half of that $10,000 was for legal review. That could be held off and be done by an individual LTC, the first one that would make use of this if it's really necessary.

[2:05:47] Voice 9: All right. Thank you. Can I call the vote, David Critchley?

[2:05:49] Voice 9: Thank you. Just in support of this, I think this is clearly within our mandate. I view it also as an efficiency exercise. And yes, I agree completely with Trustee Colbert, strange as that may seem. Thank you.

[2:06:06] Voice 9: Okay. Thank

[2:06:06] Voice 12: you. All right. I'm going to call the vote. I don't see any hands up. All those in favor, keep

[2:06:18] Voice 15: your hands up. Okay. And I've got four on the screen. I believe

[2:06:27] Voice 12: that carries. But those opposed, if you're opposed, please have your hand up. I've seen two opposed in the room, one opposed on the screen. Thank you very much, everybody. That carries.

[2:06:43] Voice 12: um i'm going to go back to my list here uh for potential amendments here scott colburn

[2:06:50] Voice 12: i

[2:06:52] Voice 1: moved that the fifteen thousand dollars for the governments and governance and

[2:07:00] Voice 1: governance and management review project be removed from this budget okay

[2:07:13] Voice 15: so

[2:07:15] Voice 12: can you see

[2:07:16] Voice 12: that motion on your screen scott yes

[2:07:19] Voice 1: i can and

[2:07:20] Voice 12: is that what you're proposing yeah

[2:07:23] Voice 1: just let me check

[2:07:24] Voice 1: the numbers spreadsheet here to make sure i've got the name right i

[2:07:28] Voice 12: i got a thumbs up from julia

[2:07:30] Voice 12: you're uh right on on the money okay okay so then do i have a seconder is that uh

[2:07:36] Voice 12: hera rockefeller is seconding thank you and um do you wish to speak to it uh

[2:07:43] Voice 1: this is a process

[2:07:44] Voice 1: piece for me this a lot of this is coming late what was out there for public engagement what

[2:07:48] Voice 1: what was out there for comment.

[2:07:51] Voice 1: I haven't participated at this meeting in this project

[2:07:55] Voice 1: for reasons of my own and scheduling and timing,

[2:07:59] Voice 1: but I don't think it's right to add this to the budget

[2:08:02] Voice 1: at this stage in the process.

[2:08:04] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:08:06] Voice 12: Any other speakers on the motion?

[2:08:08] Voice 12: I see a hand up on screen there,

[2:08:13] Voice 12: and I think that's Peter Johnson.

[2:08:16] Voice 4: I think this is creating a mess now.

[2:08:19] Voice 4: We're just randomly adding or subtracting things

[2:08:23] Voice 4: based on the screw up today because we haven't talked to each other all year we don't have

[2:08:29] Voice 4: common cause i i can't support this this really needs to be done otherwise the next council term

[2:08:39] Voice 4: is likely to be just as bad as this one

[2:08:41] Voice 12: thanks thank you you got a good chuckle in the room there

[2:08:47] Voice 12: okay any other speakers on the motion all those in favor please raise your hands i've got two on

[2:08:59] Voice 12: the screen two in the room so now those opposed so that motion fails let's keep going thank you scott

[2:09:13] Voice 12: deb morrison over to you thank

[2:09:16] Trustee Morrison: you um there were two things can you hear me

[2:09:28] Trustee Morrison: Okay. So there are two, there was two things mentioned earlier that were things that could

[2:09:33] Trustee Morrison: be removed, one by Sue Ellen and one by Dan. And I don't know that I caught exactly the details,

[2:09:39] Trustee Morrison: but one was named as the Bowen reduction, some Bowen project. And Dan mentioned something about

[2:09:46] Trustee Morrison: about the Howe Sound water mapping be deferred for a year.

[2:09:49] Trustee Morrison: So maybe I'll take the Dan one first

[2:09:51] Trustee Morrison: because that was a little clearer to me what that was,

[2:09:54] Trustee Morrison: but I don't have the amount.

[2:09:56] Trustee Morrison: So, but I would move that the Howe Sound water mapping

[2:10:01] Trustee Morrison: project be removed from the budget.

[2:10:06] Voice 12: Okay, so is this correct?

[2:10:09] Voice 12: The Howe Sound water mapping project

[2:10:12] Voice 12: is what HSWMP stands for,

[2:10:14] Voice 12: well then be removed from the budget.

[2:10:17] Voice 12: And do we know what that amount is?

[2:10:20] Voice 12: dan eighty six thousand dollars eighty six thousand dollars thank you dan if we turn off

[2:10:26] Voice 12: the mic up there is

[2:10:29] Voice 5: that right that's the number but i want to be clear i misspoke it's not just

[2:10:34] Voice 5: how sound although we've been referring to it as how sound i gathered includes status and

[2:10:39] Voice 5: the speedy as well so um and i see the

[2:10:44] Voice 12: director let's go to david mahler for an explanation of

[2:10:47] Voice 12: what this item is yeah

[2:10:49] Voice 2: so this funding is a continuation of the um the groundwater project

[2:10:54] Voice 2: and it is a house sounds that's obviously keats gambia born it's also the skeety uh salt spring

[2:11:02] Voice 2: and theater silence as well and some of that money 86 000 50 000 was intended to be new

[2:11:09] Voice 2: and the remainder was the um work that didn't get done this year got carried over into the next year

[2:11:16] Voice 2: and

[2:11:18] Voice 14: finally uh this would complete this project i mean you've gotten out yeah

[2:11:23] Voice 12: okay um so do you

[2:11:26] Voice 12: wish to speak to the motion uh trustee martin it

[2:11:30] Trustee Morrison: would need to be seconded oh thank you it is

[2:11:34] Trustee Morrison: seconded sorry i didn't see that yeah so i i'm only putting this on the table not because i

[2:11:39] Trustee Morrison: agree or disagree with this particular piece being pulled but because it was named by dan

[2:11:46] Trustee Morrison: as an alternative for something that he asked to be included back in and so it is i understand

[2:11:52] Trustee Morrison: the issue because we've been doing water management or water mapping throughout the

[2:11:57] Trustee Morrison: southern gulf islands we actually instigated it on north fender so i totally understand the need

[2:12:02] Trustee Morrison: for this i just want to understand where the things that are getting added back in are coming

[2:12:07] Trustee Morrison: out so thank you okay

[2:12:11] Voice 12: are there um any speakers on the motions that uh paul brand i'm going to

[2:12:17] Voice 26: to support this, this is a pause.

[2:12:20] Voice 26: It's not denying this at all, it's a pause.

[2:12:24] Voice 26: And I think it wouldn't be bad for a pause

[2:12:26] Voice 26: in all of the water studies that we've been doing

[2:12:28] Voice 26: just to figure out what it is and where we're going.

[2:12:33] Voice 26: Thank you, Tim Peterson on the motion.

[2:12:37] Voice 10: Sorry, sir, I just wanted to make sure

[2:12:39] Voice 10: I got on your speaker's list after this motion, thank you.

[2:12:42] Voice 12: Yeah, you're on the speaker's list.

[2:12:43] Voice 12: Sue Ellenfest.

[2:12:45] Trustee Fast: Thank you, chair.

[2:12:46] Trustee Fast: I'm going to speak against this motion

[2:12:48] Trustee Fast: During the break, I went and found out more information.

[2:12:51] Trustee Fast: It's not easy to pull things out of a project midstream,

[2:12:55] Trustee Fast: and this includes Liskiti and Thetis that have,

[2:12:59] Trustee Fast: and it's continuing on work that has bumped from the current year,

[2:13:04] Trustee Fast: and I'll be voting against this motion.

[2:13:07] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:13:08] Voice 8: Doug Fenton.

[2:13:10] Voice 8: I'll be fast voting against this motion,

[2:13:13] Voice 8: and the heart of Thetis is already suffering,

[2:13:15] Voice 8: and we need to get these sanctions started sooner than later.

[2:13:20] Voice 8: Thank you.

[2:13:20] Voice 11: All right, thank you.

[2:13:21] Voice 11: Any other speakers?

[2:13:22] Voice 11: Case Longer, aye?

[2:13:24] Voice 25: Just a point of clarification.

[2:13:26] Voice 25: $36,000 from work uncompleted in this term

[2:13:30] Voice 25: and another new $50,000.

[2:13:33] Voice 25: It's the $50,000 for the additional islands

[2:13:36] Voice 25: and the $36,000 is for the current islands in the first phase.

[2:13:41] Voice 25: Can you help us out with that, David?

[2:13:44] Voice 2: that's essentially correct yes it is the 36 000 was part of the budget for this year which was

[2:13:51] Voice 2: identified in the last budget uh that work is a bit delayed so it's going to fall over into next

[2:13:57] Voice 2: year and then the additional 50 000 will as we said we'll finish it off by doing the house

[2:14:04] Voice 2: south and islands and finishing off salt spring and status let's give you right

[2:14:11] Voice 12: um did you have

[2:14:13] Voice 25: a follow-up case my comment then is that this is starting a new project a longer term project

[2:14:19] Voice 25: in a final year of our term but i'm sort of supportive of the completing the 36 000 something

[2:14:27] Voice 25: we started but not the starting of a new project that can be deferred i think well i don't believe

[2:14:33] Voice 12: David, help me out here. I don't believe it's actually a new project. It's a continuation of an existing project that has been phased over

[2:14:40] Voice 2: a number of years.

[2:14:41] Voice 2: Yeah, that is correct. It was intended to be done over a three-year period, 50,000 per year, starting with Southern Gulf Islands and then moved up.

[2:14:52] Voice 2: And the other piece of this too is a model that we're using that's being applied consistently in all the islands.

[2:14:59] Voice 2: so as we're learning we're obviously tweaking the model so there is a need to go back and finish up

[2:15:06] Voice 2: the mapping um you know apply the new the newest tweaks to the model uh to make sure everything is

[2:15:12] Voice 2: consistent so that's the other thing i just want you know the other thing with the pause too is it

[2:15:18] Voice 2: could be additional overhead to restarting it a year down the road because you lose that momentum

[2:15:24] Voice 2: momentum um you lose the consultants that you're working with in the process so i just want to

[2:15:30] Voice 2: point that out as well so

[2:15:32] Voice 12: uh trustee morrison on the screen and then was there another hand up in

[2:15:35] Voice 12: the room here okay trustee morrison okay

[2:15:42] Trustee Morrison: so i'm i'm this is the challenge with a hybrid meeting

[2:15:47] Trustee Morrison: which i understand but it is a challenge so my support of doing particular things is based on

[2:15:55] Trustee Morrison: comments other people have made already in terms of what can be trade-offs for including other

[2:16:02] Trustee Morrison: things into the budget and so I mean this is much bigger than what I'm hearing now and I wouldn't

[2:16:09] Trustee Morrison: necessarily want to you know pull the plug on a whole bunch of things that are ongoing if it

[2:16:15] Trustee Morrison: sounded like originally when Dan was talking about it that it was something that hadn't been started

[2:16:19] Trustee Morrison: to get in how sound and if that's the case then i think we wait a year if the 36 000 that you're

[2:16:26] Trustee Morrison: talking about um i'm just not feeling that i'm getting clear communication and i'm actually

[2:16:31] Trustee Morrison: going to have to take a pause because i'm pretty annoyed right now the oh okay so

[2:16:41] Voice 12: i'm not sure what

[2:16:43] Voice 12: you said there but i and i understand to some extent um it is different than it is clearly

[2:16:50] Voice 12: clearly more than just how sound. Is that correct, David?

[2:16:55] Voice 2: Yeah, that is correct. It is an iterative process.

[2:16:59] Voice 2: So everything's really mixed in together.

[2:17:02] Voice 2: Okay. Right. So CEO of Hotspring Pillar?

[2:17:07] Voice 14: Yeah, there's nothing new about this.

[2:17:09] Voice 14: This is

[2:17:09] Voice 14: the third of three parts of a multi-year program.

[2:17:13] Voice 14: That's one of the two or three key elements associated with the strategic

[2:17:16] Voice 14: planning process.

[2:17:18] Voice 14: It's all lined up and we're just trying to get the same baseline information

[2:17:22] Voice 14: across the trust area that's built into the next three or four years worth of work so great all

[2:17:27] Trustee Morrison: right i've regained my composure may i finish

[2:17:30] Voice 12: okay thank you deb sorry about that no

[2:17:35] Trustee Morrison: i need to just

[2:17:36] Trustee Morrison: get my temper under control sometimes because you know that's how it is so the i'm not questioning

[2:17:43] Trustee Morrison: the staff really although like because i do understand this project but you know we instigated

[2:17:49] Trustee Morrison: the freshwater um or the groundwater work on um pender at the very beginning of our term is one

[2:17:56] Trustee Morrison: of the very first things we did and it has been this ongoing expanding like we just got our mapping

[2:18:04] Trustee Morrison: recently and i understand that these things can take time but that project is like an amorphous

[2:18:11] Trustee Morrison: giant that just keeps like expanding and so i i've been struggling with that what i'm most

[2:18:16] Trustee Morrison: annoyed about actually is not not what the staff are responding to what i'm most annoyed about is

[2:18:24] Trustee Morrison: i just don't understand then um and maybe trustee rogers could weigh in on this for a second

[2:18:28] Trustee Morrison: of what it is that are the trade-offs that we're making here um and maybe you know um trustee fast

[2:18:35] Trustee Morrison: could weigh in on the thing that she mentioned that'd be good i'm happy to just vote this down

[2:18:40] Trustee Morrison: and move on and find them forwarding motion okay

[2:18:49] Voice 12: so um okay dan if you have some clarity um well i

[2:18:56] Voice 5: i gather somehow i've annoyed trustee morrison but um my my understanding of this was because

[2:19:04] Voice 5: it was referenced on a couple of times during the week the week this week as the house on water

[2:19:10] Voice 5: water project. I indicated that I would much rather have

[2:19:14] Voice 5: the money for the Secretariat and have that

[2:19:17] Voice 5: project deferred for a year.

[2:19:21] Voice 5: And I didn't understand, maybe I should have read the business case

[2:19:26] Voice 5: better, that the 86 was partly money rolled

[2:19:30] Voice 5: over from last year. That's my mistake. And I also didn't understand

[2:19:33] Voice 5: that it included anything to do with salt spring. I didn't

[2:19:38] Voice 5: no doubt um and i know it also included say so i my sense of the water issue is is that we're

[2:19:48] Voice 5: constantly trying to catch up with it and and that there's lots of work to be done

[2:19:53] Voice 5: with other aspects of the water project i was trying to find a way forward

[2:19:58] Voice 5: um to provide some financial budgetary relief um or budgetary where we could simply put a piece of

[2:20:09] Voice 5: work off for a year and complete it in another term if i was mistaken and misspoke um that's my

[2:20:15] Voice 5: my fault but i was uh i was simply trying to find that i still think that there's probably lots of

[2:20:21] Voice 5: water work to be done next term next year fiscal year and we could and how sound could certainly

[2:20:28] Voice 5: wait in my view so i'm only speaking myself could wait a year for this work to be done but i don't

[2:20:34] Voice 5: want to speak for liss skete and satis sure i'll fast on

[2:20:40] Trustee Fast: the brief chair um i just uh think that

[2:20:43] Trustee Fast: water sustainability is an issue on bowen and uh i think also um that it's core to what is the

[2:20:52] Trustee Fast: the carrying capacity and the work of the trust and water first and uh because nature needs it

[2:20:58] Trustee Fast: and people need it and it's changing and secondly um i had put it out there because i was looking

[2:21:03] Trustee Fast: for compromises and where could the funds come from and i think i found another source and i'd

[2:21:08] Trustee Fast: like to propose surplus i'll say the word again i talked to julia in the break she says there's

[2:21:12] Trustee Fast: fifty thousand dollars maybe more uh that we could be dipping into and we could go beyond the 20

[2:21:19] Trustee Fast: percent sitting there in the well that we could dip into and then pull out by bylaw later let's

[2:21:28] Trustee Fast: use the surplus uh

[2:21:31] Voice 12: julia mobs i

[2:21:33] Voice 32: just want to clarify that figure um that i relate to trustee

[2:21:37] Voice 32: fast was looking at the fpc recommended draft budget where we had a much larger plan draw from

[2:21:44] Voice 32: surplus so there will be much more sitting in excess surplus funds with the current draft of

[2:21:48] Voice 32: the budget okay

[2:21:50] Voice 27: thank you sorry

[2:21:54] Trustee Fast: could you say that again i

[2:21:55] Voice 14: think just for clarity and julia will

[2:21:57] Voice 14: re-explain things in better language the budget in front of you now that you're debating which is

[2:22:02] Voice 14: the floor budget increases the surplus that's being that we're putting away next year and we

[2:22:08] Voice 14: don't know how much more than your policy obligation is but the fpc budget i think was

[2:22:15] Voice 14: already at 107 so i think it's going to be some number larger than that that you will now have

[2:22:21] Voice 14: the surplus right so

[2:22:24] Trustee Fast: there'll be more surplus

[2:22:25] Voice 12: to dip into and that's what i propose thank you

[2:22:28] Voice 12: well if you want to propose that you're going to have to make an amendment to the motion

[2:22:38] Voice 12: okay then i'm

[2:22:39] Trustee Fast: not in support of that motion okay

[2:22:43] Voice 12: so um i'm just going to speak to the motion i

[2:22:45] Voice 12: think this is an ongoing project and i think that there's efficiency we talked about efficiencies

[2:22:50] Voice 12: to restart this at a later date is not efficient and to be honest i've seen projects that have been

[2:22:57] Voice 12: paused and they've never come back for instance post incorporation trust programs committee

[2:23:05] Voice 12: launched a review into services delivery that has never been picked up it's still on the work

[2:23:11] Voice 12: program um and three years have transpired so i'm not going to support the motion so i'm going to

[2:23:18] Voice 12: call the vote with that all those in favor and

[2:23:33] Voice 15: three on the line so those opposed and one two

[2:23:48] Voice 15: three four five

[2:23:49] Voice 12: online how does that go six six online keep your hands up please six online in

[2:23:59] Voice 12: favor

[2:23:59] Voice 15: opposed no because we look at

[2:24:12] Voice 12: one two three four five one two three four five six i've got

[2:24:19] Voice 12: That's seven opposed on the screen.

[2:24:26] Voice 12: Okay, so then that indeed fails.

[2:24:30] Voice 12: Yeah, it's all good.

[2:24:35] Voice 12: All right, let us keep rolling along here.

[2:24:38] Voice 12: And we were thinking this might take

[2:24:42] Voice 12: a half an hour to do this.

[2:24:44] Voice 12: If we had more administrative resources,

[2:24:46] Voice 12: somebody else would be compiling the spreadsheet

[2:24:48] Voice 12: to get you a final number, but it is happening right now.

[2:24:53] Voice 12: Oh, perfect, I love it.

[2:24:57] Voice 12: astounding we got i got three more speakers let's try and get through this uh jane wolverton is next

[2:25:03] Voice 12: uh laura patrick and then tim peterson and scott coburn what's going on scott please add

[2:25:11] Voice 15: me to the

[2:25:12] Voice 15: speakers list you

[2:25:16] Voice 12: were on the speakers list and you spoke earlier and yes you want again i have a

[2:25:21] Voice 1: i have a reconciliation action plan motion i'm

[2:25:26] Voice 12: sorry i didn't hear that

[2:25:27] Voice 1: i having learned more

[2:25:29] Voice 1: more about after our motion about reconciliation action plan,

[2:25:33] Voice 1: we are not funding it to the point that I expected

[2:25:36] Voice 1: and I'm gonna put forward a motion, thank you.

[2:25:37] Voice 12: So I'll put you on the speaker's list again, thank you.

[2:25:41] Voice 12: Jane Wolverton.

[2:25:43] Voice 18: I would move that the office lease costs on line four,

[2:25:47] Voice 18: item line four of $20,000 be added back into the budget

[2:25:52] Voice 18: and this affects the smaller outer islands

[2:26:00] Voice 18: where we don't have alternative spaces

[2:26:02] Voice 18: basis for our staff for our apcs for our trustees etc okay

[2:26:13] Voice 12: so we have that motion up on the screen

[2:26:17] Voice 12: is that the motion that you intended yes do

[2:26:23] Voice 12: i have a seconder for this motion

[2:26:25] Voice 12: so i've got a seconder from the motion i've got some advice from staff i

[2:26:33] Voice 32: just want to clarify

[2:26:34] Voice 32: if we add back the costs for these office leases,

[2:26:38] Voice 32: there's automatically also the add back

[2:26:40] Voice 32: of the associated lease costs of $2,200.

[2:26:46] Voice 32: $2,200 will be an automatic add back

[2:26:49] Voice 32: if this 20,000 is added back.

[2:26:51] Voice 32: It's associated with the leases.

[2:26:53] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:26:53] Voice 12: So 22,200 would be going back in.

[2:26:57] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:26:58] Voice 12: So it was moved by Wolverton, seconded by Fenton.

[2:27:02] Voice 12: Do you have to speak to it any further than you have?

[2:27:05] Voice 12: No, thank you. Appreciate that. Any further discussion on this one?

[2:27:10] Voice 12: So I'm going to call. I

[2:27:12] Voice 30: have my hand up. I have my hand up, Peter.

[2:27:16] Voice 12: Yes. Just give me a moment. Look, it takes me time to switch modes.

[2:27:20] Voice 12: I'm looking at the screen. I see Scott Grant Scott's hand up. Go ahead.

[2:27:25] Voice 12: I

[2:27:26] Voice 30: just like to ask, is this money going for office lease in Victoria or is it going to office lease?

[2:27:35] Voice 30: or like on Caliano Island and in the remote islands?

[2:27:39] Voice 30: Just tell me what it's for.

[2:27:42] Voice 12: I'll turn to staff to clarify.

[2:27:44] Voice 32: This relates to all of the on island trustee offices

[2:27:48] Voice 32: that planner sometimes use for planner hours

[2:27:50] Voice 32: and trustees use to conduct their work.

[2:27:52] Voice 32: This number does not contemplate the fact

[2:27:54] Voice 32: that we will actually need to give some notice,

[2:27:57] Voice 32: nor does it contemplate penalties.

[2:27:59] Voice 32: So when we reduced by that $20,000,

[2:28:02] Voice 32: we might be slightly off,

[2:28:03] Voice 32: but it's a best estimate with the time we have.

[2:28:06] Voice 32: great

[2:28:06] Voice 30: okay thanks i support the motion thank you thank you

[2:28:11] Voice 12: uh there's one other hand up here now

[2:28:15] Voice 12: deb morrison so

[2:28:17] Trustee Morrison: a clarification on this um i only i think i only heard one island galliano say that

[2:28:23] Trustee Morrison: the office space split on island was really critical to them and i'm just wondering if that

[2:28:28] Trustee Morrison: is a universally held view i guess we'll see in this vote but like to me i i would want to just

[2:28:35] Trustee Morrison: like forward the galliano office because that sounded what was important but i'm just unclear

[2:28:40] Trustee Morrison: okay

[2:28:43] Voice 12: well that will require an amendment um so i'll let you think about that for a moment

[2:28:47] Voice 12: and i'll go to laura beshaken you had

[2:28:49] Voice 12: a remark um

[2:28:52] Trustee Busheikin: it is very similar to that um i do think that

[2:28:56] Trustee Busheikin: we need to look at these offices actually work program item for financial planning committee

[2:29:00] Trustee Busheikin: I will say that the Denman office, although it's lovely, has not been used at all during COVID and life has carried on there and there are alternate places to meet, even if it's in a cafe or we have to pay an occasional rental or do more work by Zoom and on the phone.

[2:29:18] Trustee Busheikin: So I think it is island by island, and maybe we could half this amount and see how it's very difficult to know without numbers, or we could add it in with the idea, with the knowledge that there's already a work program item to analyze this and that changes may be made throughout the year based on a more granular look at it. Thanks.

[2:29:42] Trustee Busheikin: Okay,

[2:29:42] Voice 14: let's go back to staff for some advice.

[2:29:45] Voice 14: Well, just in the interest of practicality,

[2:29:48] Voice 7: you could just say with the exception of Galliano.

[2:29:56] Voice 7: But how do we reconcile the amount?

[2:29:58] Voice 12: The

[2:29:58] Voice 7: office lease costs.

[2:30:00] Voice 14: to be added back into the budget.

[2:30:05] Voice 14: So you could, it sounds like Galliano

[2:30:09] Voice 14: is the only one that's expressing a direct interest in things, so this could

[2:30:12] Voice 14: be amended to be, those offices be removed with the

[2:30:16] Voice 14: exception of Galliano, and we just add that cost in

[2:30:21] Voice 14: of $5,000 or something. Eight? Eight thousand.

[2:30:25] Voice 12: Understood. So this has been moved and seconded,

[2:30:29] Voice 12: and i will need an amendment dan

[2:30:35] Voice 5: rogers um i move that the figure of twenty thousand dollars be

[2:30:40] Voice 5: amended to read ten thousand dollars and that will give you the flexibility for whatever it is you

[2:30:46] Voice 5: need is

[2:30:48] Voice 12: that satisfactory staff yes all right thank you very much

[2:30:52] Voice 15: okay so that's pretty

[2:30:59] Voice 15: straightforward

[2:30:59] Voice 12: everybody clear on that um so then i'm going to call the vote just for simplicity

[2:31:05] Voice 12: on the amendment to the motion.

[2:31:07] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Dodds had her hand up.

[2:31:09] Trustee Morrison: I thought she needed to weigh in on that.

[2:31:12] Trustee Morrison: Who's up?

[2:31:13] Trustee Morrison: Trustee Dodds.

[2:31:15] Voice 12: Oh, I don't see her hand up there.

[2:31:17] Voice 12: Trustee Dodds.

[2:31:19] Voice 12: I was going to speak to the motion, not to the amendment.

[2:31:22] Voice 12: Thank you very much.

[2:31:24] Voice 12: So on the amendment, I'll

[2:31:26] Voice 15: call the vote.

[2:31:26] Voice 15: All those in favor?

[2:31:39] Voice 15: And

[2:31:39] Voice 12: on the line is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 in favor?

[2:31:44] Voice 12: So that carries.

[2:31:44] Voice 12: just for the record those opposed and we've got two opposed in the room three opposed in the room

[2:31:52] Voice 12: and that carries excellent so now we're going to go back to the amended motion

[2:31:59] Voice 12: and is there any further discussion none uh trustee dodge did you want to speak to the

[2:32:05] Voice 12: amended motion to the motion not

[2:32:07] Voice 24: really not really at this point thank you thank you janine

[2:32:11] Voice 12: um so i'm going to call the vote then on the motion which has been amended in front of us

[2:32:17] Voice 12: all in favor yeah

[2:32:21] Voice 15: and

[2:32:29] Voice 12: one two three four five six on the screen um so for the record those opposed

[2:32:35] Voice 12: one two three four four opposed none on the screen a five one on the screen so it's five

[2:32:44] Voice 12: five opposed on the screen five total I think it is on the screen all together

[2:32:53] Voice 12: so that carries so let us keep moving Laura Patrick then Tim Peterson then Scott Colburn

[2:33:04] Voice 12: somebody's got a mic on yeah sorry first

[2:33:09] Voice 21: of all I wish I wish trustee Brent had brought this to

[2:33:11] Voice 21: FPC so we could have done this job there but anyway can at first clarity on I'm looking at

[2:33:18] Voice 21: the spreadsheet julie i just want to confirm that 18 500 had been removed from the coastal

[2:33:22] Voice 21: douglas spur project on salt spring that's how i'm reading your spreadsheet am i correct

[2:33:31] Voice 32: yes the the staff budget did not adjust what was proposed by trustee brent we

[2:33:36] Voice 32: acknowledge that's a political decision didn't feel well positioned to take stance

[2:33:43] Voice 21: i i move that uh eighteen thousand five hundred be restored to the coastal douglas

[2:33:48] Voice 21: for project for salt spring and that 18 500 be removed from the salt spring island ganges village

[2:33:55] Voice 21: projects okay

[2:33:59] Voice 15: so move let's get that up on the screen okay

[2:34:16] Voice 12: thank you so that's a seconded by

[2:34:18] Voice 12: peter grove and that is your motion looks right um thank you very much for the accommodation um

[2:34:27] Voice 12: any discussion on the motion laura patrick well

[2:34:32] Voice 21: the ganges village project is vitally important

[2:34:34] Voice 21: important. I'm hoping that our MLA, who said that he might be able to help us find additional

[2:34:39] Voice 21: funding, can come through on his promise.

[2:34:42] Voice 12: Thank you, Adam Olson. Yeah. Okay. Any other discussion?

[2:34:47] Voice 12: Then I'll... Oh. Do you want to speak on this one?

[2:34:53] Trustee Busheikin: Very briefly. I just will speak in favor of this.

[2:34:56] Trustee Busheikin: The CDF project is very much about forestry protection through the lens of forest fire

[2:35:02] Trustee Busheikin: our protection we all know the next Lytton could be any of our islands this is urgent and it can be

[2:35:08] Trustee Busheikin: um we can all learn from it so I'm really happy with this and thank you all

[2:35:12] Voice 12: right thank you any

[2:35:14] Voice 12: other speakers oh there's a staff advice I

[2:35:18] Voice 32: just want to note the summary of the sheet that we

[2:35:21] Voice 32: sent out that uh notes that 18,500 has been removed for that project that's an incorrect

[2:35:25] Voice 32: correct number i believe it's 32 500 i

[2:35:30] Voice 21: needed

[2:35:35] Voice 32: six minutes to get it right only five okay well you

[2:35:39] Voice 12: know i'm just going to take it that the number was wrong and so let's just correct the number

[2:35:42] Voice 12: it's 32 500 and and do you still stick with your intended motion uh

[2:35:48] Voice 21: for now i'll look to staff

[2:35:54] Voice 21: knowing that we're doing these things on the fly which is incorrect improper and i don't support

[2:35:59] Voice 21: support doing as Salt Springwood,

[2:36:02] Voice 21: we have the options to be able to readjust

[2:36:04] Voice 21: once we look at all of our projects

[2:36:07] Voice 21: and account for that when we have rational minds.

[2:36:13] Voice 12: So you want the motion to read 32,500?

[2:36:18] Voice 21: I'm satisfied with having a balanced amount up there.

[2:36:21] Voice 21: I'm just asking that,

[2:36:23] Voice 21: can this project absorb a full 32,000

[2:36:27] Voice 21: being removed from Ganges?

[2:36:28] Voice 21: I'm just saying we might.

[2:36:30] Voice 21: able to balance it better once we have time david

[2:36:35] Voice 2: marler yeah so if the um if the budget is less

[2:36:43] Voice 2: than was originally requested we would have to go back to the local trust committee with a revised

[2:36:48] Voice 2: project charter that accounts for the dollars that council's provided so it may be that a

[2:36:55] Voice 2: a substantial portion of that project might not happen.

[2:36:59] Voice 2: $18,000 might be okay, $32,000, I don't know.

[2:37:04] Voice 2: It's really hard to say here without going back and looking at the specifics

[2:37:08] Voice 2: what those dollars were intended for.

[2:37:12] Voice 21: Laura Patrick.

[2:37:13] Voice 21: That was my question.

[2:37:14] Voice 21: One, it should say $32,000, $32,000.

[2:37:16] Voice 21: My question was when we do go back to look at the project charters,

[2:37:19] Voice 21: would we have the flexibility to say, okay, we'd like to, of the $32,500,

[2:37:24] Voice 21: we might want to split that between, you know, once we have time to look at it and study it at

[2:37:30] Voice 21: the LTC level. That's all I'm asking. But I'm satisfied with saying we're taking $32,000 from

[2:37:35] Voice 21: Ganges Village at this time. Just looking.

[2:37:39] Voice 12: Okay. So you want the second $18,000 to also

[2:37:42] Voice 12: reap $32,000?

[2:37:43] Voice 21: All right.

[2:37:45] Voice 12: So it's $32,000. So we're just trading off some dollars here.

[2:37:48] Voice 12: here. And I thank you for that. Okay. So, oh, you still have something else to add. So let's get the

[2:37:58] Voice 12: motion amended. So it says 32,000 and the second 18,000.

[2:38:02] Voice 2: Yeah, I was just going to answer the

[2:38:04] Voice 2: question. Yes, the local trust committee can move it around. There is a reporting to financial

[2:38:10] Voice 2: planning committee of a set dollars, but we'll work with you on that. Okay. So

[2:38:15] Voice 12: now I have a

[2:38:16] Voice 12: speaker uh on the on the motion here but i just want to be clear that the one that's on the screen

[2:38:21] Voice 12: now is what your intention is all right and the seconder is satisfied with that all right so

[2:38:26] Voice 12: trustee scott you wish to speak to the motion which has been moved and seconded i

[2:38:33] Voice 30: do um i very

[2:38:34] Voice 30: strongly agree with with this motion uh it's about fire protection and so it's something that hopefully

[2:38:43] Voice 30: hopefully Hornby Island can learn from because fire in the summer is getting very, very scary

[2:38:48] Voice 30: up here with climate change. And it's one of the big issues up here. When I spoke earlier about

[2:38:53] Voice 30: not wanting to get into forest management, the CDF, it's not this. That's something I don't want

[2:38:59] Voice 30: to see us get into forest management because I think there's other places to do it. But I very

[2:39:03] Voice 30: strongly support this idea. So thank you for putting it up.

[2:39:08] Voice 12: Okay, thank you. So if there's

[2:39:11] Voice 12: no further questions i'll call the vote all those in

[2:39:13] Voice 15: favor and five on the screen and

[2:39:30] Voice 12: for the record

[2:39:31] Voice 12: any opposed on the screen i have opposed none opposed none opposed in the room that's unanimous

[2:39:42] Voice 12: thank you um i'm going to go my speakers list case do you want to be on the speakers list

[2:39:49] Voice 12: I wanted to comment

[2:39:51] Voice 25: it wasn't unanimous necessarily there were some abstentions

[2:39:55] Voice 25: say again there were some abstentions I abstained from oh well an abstain vote is in favor yeah I

[2:40:03] Voice 25: know but yeah

[2:40:04] Voice 12: qualified that's fine um Tim Peterson Scott Coburn Laura Bishakin uh

[2:40:17] Voice 10: thank

[2:40:18] Voice 10: you chair and uh I I know Scott mentioned he was going to do this but I've been thinking about this

[2:40:23] Voice 10: for a bit longer.

[2:40:24] Voice 10: So I'm just going to head and move that the $5,000

[2:40:28] Voice 10: for the reconciliation action plan implementation

[2:40:30] Voice 10: be returned to the budget.

[2:40:34] Voice 15: Okay, thank you.

[2:40:35] Voice 15: Let's get that up on the screen.

[2:40:41] Voice 15: So that's your motion on the screen, Tim.

[2:40:47] Voice 10: To be fair, it's so blown up on the screen.

[2:40:50] Voice 10: It's very difficult for us to read here.

[2:40:54] Voice 10: Our version here is, it's huge.

[2:40:59] Voice 10: I mean, the letters are that big, so.

[2:41:02] okay

[2:41:06] Voice 12: so i'm assuming then that the motion on the screen is what you intended so i have a second

[2:41:12] Voice 12: with the shake and seconded the motion here's to speak to the motion uh

[2:41:18] Voice 10: yeah thank you i think that

[2:41:20] Voice 10: uh it's incumbent upon us to uh do what we can to um meaningfully uh advance our reconciliation

[2:41:29] Voice 10: reconciliation actions and removing money from the action plan implementation seems counter to that.

[2:41:35] Voice 10: So that's all I have to say. Thank

[2:41:37] Voice 12: you. Anybody else wish to speak to the motion? Seconder?

[2:41:43] Voice 12: Anybody? On the screen, I see Trustee Scott speaking to the motion.

[2:41:49] Voice 30: Thank you. I would just

[2:41:51] Voice 30: like to add the First Nations want us to get more involved in this other than declaring

[2:41:59] Voice 30: the action plan itself.

[2:42:01] Voice 30: I mean, this is where I kind of wonder very often

[2:42:04] Voice 30: we tiptoe into things that First Nations

[2:42:08] Voice 30: are dealing with on their own

[2:42:09] Voice 30: and they may not want us going any further than that.

[2:42:12] Voice 30: I'm just not quite sure.

[2:42:13] Voice 30: Thank you.

[2:42:14] Voice 26: Thank you.

[2:42:16] Voice 26: Paul Brent.

[2:42:17] Voice 26: I just want to note that staff has said

[2:42:20] Voice 26: that it is achievable given we have work reconciliation

[2:42:24] Voice 26: dollars into project budgets elsewhere.

[2:42:26] Voice 26: So it's not as though we've cut it out.

[2:42:28] Voice 26: it's sitting elsewhere i won't be voting in favor you

[2:42:34] Voice 12: will not be voting in favor correct yeah okay

[2:42:38] Voice 12: thank you um so any other speakers on the motion i'm going to call the vote then i trust you scott

[2:42:44] Voice 12: your hand is still up so uh if you take that down thank you and i'm

[2:42:49] Voice 15: going to call for the vote all

[2:42:50] Voice 15: those in favor and on the screen i've got three hands in favor

[2:42:59] Voice 15: 11

[2:43:02] Voice 12: so uh those opposed and i've got

[2:43:09] Voice 15: four on the screen so that fails thank you very much uh scott colburn uh your motion i'm not going

[2:43:34] Voice 1: to put forward any more motions not not to this body sorry i'm

[2:43:51] Voice 15: just going to

[2:43:52] Voice 12: move on until you

[2:43:52] Voice 12: come back to us scott laura be shaken thank

[2:43:57] Trustee Busheikin: you um i have actually a few motions to bring forward

[2:44:00] Trustee Busheikin: and i don't think any of them need a lot of discussion in particular i think the first one

[2:44:04] Trustee Busheikin: the issues have been discussed um and i think we've all heard pros and cons so i'm going to move

[2:44:11] Trustee Busheikin: that 14 425 dollars be included um for trustee remuneration included in the budget a return to

[2:44:24] Trustee Busheikin: the budget whatever words are appropriate for trustee remuneration i'll speak to that in three

[2:44:30] Trustee Busheikin: sentences. This is the piece that was taken out. We have elections coming up. We have people in

[2:44:39] Trustee Busheikin: our communities and former trustees making decisions. It may be hard to understand for

[2:44:45] Trustee Busheikin: people for whom this is a drop in the bucket of their monthly survival, why it matters,

[2:44:52] Trustee Busheikin: but it does and that's my speech okay

[2:44:57] Voice 12: thank you Mr. Chair so

[2:44:59] Voice 12: is there a seconder

[2:45:02] Voice 12: Julia Mobs the

[2:45:08] Voice 32: version of the budget that's being contemplated right now

[2:45:10] Voice 32: has added that back already

[2:45:17] Voice 12: so what you're saying is half of it has been

[2:45:22] Voice 12: all oh it's already been included it's included in the staff the

[2:45:28] Voice 32: budget that was proposed

[2:45:30] Voice 32: by trustee brent removed uh an estimated cost for meeting remuneration right uh when staff

[2:45:36] Voice 32: were going through the budget and proposing yay or nay didn't feel that was our place to

[2:45:41] Voice 32: take on so we've added it back okay

[2:45:43] Voice 12: so we don't need to make that much yeah we keep going um

[2:45:49] Trustee Busheikin: i i don't know the number i would like to add a sufficient amount to meeting expenses

[2:45:56] Trustee Busheikin: expenses so that one more trust council meeting this term can be in person.

[2:46:12] Voice 15: CAO Hotson-Pill, that's

[2:46:16] Voice 7: about $25,000, sir. $25,000. Okay. Thank you.

[2:46:23] Trustee Busheikin: And to speak to it briefly, I think it's essential that we meet in person. I think it,

[2:46:27] Trustee Busheikin: I think we're seeing a fraying of ability to work collaboratively

[2:46:34] Trustee Busheikin: and have sufficient discussion around our decisions

[2:46:39] Trustee Busheikin: and that it's vitally important that we meet in person if we can.

[2:46:47] Voice 12: All right.

[2:46:49] Voice 12: So speakers on the motion then.

[2:46:53] Voice 12: Oh, I need a seconder for that.

[2:46:55] Voice 12: Jane Warburton has seconded it.

[2:46:59] Voice 12: 25,000 yeah let's put 25,000 in brackets or something whatever you want to do

[2:47:11] Trustee Busheikin: at 25,000 so instead of at sufficient amount just say at 25,000 thank

[2:47:19] Voice 12: thank you for that and thank

[2:47:20] Voice 12: you um to our chair as a financial planning key maybe keep us straight um so speakers on the

[2:47:27] Voice 12: motion who do i have paul brent just

[2:47:31] Voice 26: a point of clarity um the mover said this term did you mean

[2:47:36] Voice 26: this term or next term

[2:47:41] Voice 12: microphone off thank

[2:47:43] Trustee Busheikin: you i meant this term and i'm you know i'm this i would

[2:47:48] Trustee Busheikin: say this term and next term but we are we do have big work to be done before the end of term but

[2:47:54] Trustee Busheikin: But yeah, I would, it's a, but the budget begins soon.

[2:48:04] Trustee Busheikin: Like there's June and September.

[2:48:07] Trustee Busheikin: I would be open to leaving it in the, in this budget.

[2:48:14] Trustee Busheikin: And then we could decide that later.

[2:48:15] Trustee Busheikin: I would take that as a friendly amendment so that we would just say one more trust council

[2:48:20] Trustee Busheikin: meeting in this, in the fiscal year.

[2:48:30] Trustee Busheikin: And then we could decide either way which one it is.

[2:48:33] Trustee Busheikin: But I don't, people are looking at me funny.

[2:48:37] Voice 12: CEO, can you help us with some clarity

[2:48:39] Voice 14: on our meeting?

[2:48:40] Voice 14: Well, I think Laurie's probably got the better brain for this one,

[2:48:43] Voice 14: but your next meeting's electronic in June.

[2:48:46] Voice 14: Then your next meeting's electronic in September.

[2:48:50] Voice 14: Then you have an important live meeting in October, November, right?

[2:48:56] Voice 14: Of the new council.

[2:48:57] Voice 14: And then you have a December meeting to contemplate the budget.

[2:49:02] Voice 14: that's live so you've got the next two are electronic so i think you're speaking

[2:49:08] Voice 14: more specifically about one of those two being a live meeting potential

[2:49:14] Trustee Busheikin: thank you and in which case i'm sorry lori but the original in fact i think yeah

[2:49:19] Voice 12: it was more

[2:49:20] Voice 12: to my

[2:49:21] Trustee Busheikin: intent so can if you can change it back to this term thank

[2:49:25] Voice 15: you thank you i'm sorry is

[2:49:36] Voice 15: everybody clear on

[2:49:36] Voice 12: the motion okay so is there any are there any other speakers on the motion

[2:49:43] Voice 12: Yes,

[2:49:44] Voice 18: just briefly, I think that we have important governance work to tackle, and I think that

[2:49:50] Voice 18: would be best tackled in person.

[2:49:52] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:49:53] Voice 12: Janine Dodds and Trustee Johnson.

[2:49:58] Voice 24: I'm not in the room right now.

[2:50:00] Voice 24: I'm sitting on Zoom.

[2:50:01] Voice 24: I don't feel disconnected from my fellow trustees.

[2:50:04] Voice 24: At no time do I believe the Zoom meetings, and not being able to meet in public, have

[2:50:09] Voice 24: hindered the trust council to have conversations.

[2:50:12] Voice 24: I think that's a good point.

[2:50:13] Voice 24: it's a very efficient way to work right now we have options half and half um if we didn't have

[2:50:19] Voice 24: the zoom availability i just wouldn't even be in this meeting um and at the in person i totally

[2:50:25] Voice 24: disagree that that is what has led to this dissension on on what how we're managing our

[2:50:32] Voice 24: budget or how trust council works i think we have gone through some challenging times

[2:50:36] Voice 24: during this particular trust council starting with the policy statement which was a huge project

[2:50:43] Voice 24: um right now we're supposed to be reducing our budget and we seem to be keep adding things back

[2:50:47] Voice 24: in so i do not support this at all i do support the one that we're going to have in october

[2:50:53] Voice 24: december that makes sense thank you thank

[2:50:56] Voice 12: you janine um so speakers on the motion i see

[2:51:00] Voice 12: trustee johnson and trustee morrison i'd

[2:51:05] Voice 4: like to echo what janine just said i

[2:51:08] Voice 4: totally agree with her i don't think for this council to meet 10 more times in person

[2:51:15] Voice 4: would help at all thank

[2:51:18] Voice 12: you uh trustee morrison all

[2:51:24] Trustee Morrison: right um i i agree too and i i want to add

[2:51:28] Trustee Morrison: one other additional piece i wouldn't be at this meeting if it was in person because i work like

[2:51:34] Trustee Morrison: many of the trustees and like i'm in a different country at the moment and so i'm able to be here

[2:51:40] Trustee Morrison: because this meeting's electronic so and i'm participating i think fine apart from my one

[2:51:45] Trustee Morrison: power outage issue so great thank you and

[2:51:49] Voice 12: i just want to

[2:51:49] Trustee Morrison: see some clarification there's a

[2:51:53] Trustee Busheikin: misunderstanding like when i said in person here it wasn't that it wouldn't it's a meeting like

[2:51:58] Trustee Busheikin: this one so perhaps it should say hybrid but to me that was understood thank

[2:52:03] Voice 12: you that's what i

[2:52:04] Voice 12: wanted to seek from staff i'm presuming twenty five thousand dollars would be a hybrid meeting

[2:52:09] Voice 12: so people could attend electronically and

[2:52:12] Trustee Morrison: and maybe i could just add to that then if that's the

[2:52:14] Trustee Morrison: the clarification well

[2:52:17] Voice 14: that's a good point um we haven't had enough experience with the hybrid

[2:52:21] Voice 14: which is only our second one so let's say twenty thousand dollars two zero yeah

[2:52:26] Trustee Morrison: oh nice

[2:52:28] Trustee Morrison: chair may i add just related to the hybrid yeah

[2:52:33] Voice 7: yeah all

[2:52:35] Voice 12: right so for for for time saving let's

[2:52:40] Voice 12: call this a friendly amendment amendment for clarity that the amount be twenty thousand dollars

[2:52:45] Voice 12: and that it be said added to meeting expenses

[2:52:49] Voice 12: for one more hybrid trust council meeting.

[2:52:52] Voice 12: Is that okay with the mover?

[2:52:55] Trustee Busheikin: Well, let's say one more trust council meeting

[2:53:00] Trustee Busheikin: be a hybrid meeting.

[2:53:04] Trustee Busheikin: Because

[2:53:05] Voice 12: if you say

[2:53:05] Trustee Busheikin: one more meeting,

[2:53:06] Trustee Busheikin: it sounds like we're gonna have an extra meeting.

[2:53:09] Voice 12: As you wish, yeah.

[2:53:11] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, so if you replace in-person

[2:53:13] Trustee Busheikin: with in hybrid form, perhaps.

[2:53:17] Trustee Morrison: Chair, may I finish my comments then related to that?

[2:53:20] Voice 12: yeah let's get this up on the screen so it's clear and then uh back to trustee marston thanks

[2:53:26] Trustee Morrison: thank you so um in relation to the hybrid meeting i actually feel this meeting would be a lot more

[2:53:31] Trustee Morrison: equitable if it was totally virtual so um thanks

[2:53:34] Voice 12: good point thank you um trustee dodds my point is

[2:53:39] Voice 24: and i've attended many many trust councils and i don't believe that there's a whole lot of

[2:53:44] Voice 24: difference between whether you all get together and have a glass of wine and chat about what your

[2:53:48] Voice 24: your issues are, or whether you meet via Zoom,

[2:53:51] Voice 24: share emails amongst yourself, or phone each other.

[2:53:54] Voice 24: I really don't understand how the problems

[2:53:58] Voice 24: that we're having this term to me

[2:53:59] Voice 24: have got nothing to do with how we meet.

[2:54:03] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:54:05] Voice 12: If there's no further comments, Trustee Dahlke,

[2:54:10] Voice 12: and no further comments,

[2:54:12] Voice 12: I'm going to call the vote.

[2:54:12] Voice 12: All those in favor.

[2:54:15] Voice 12: ah

[2:54:21] Voice 15: yeah and

[2:54:26] Voice 12: two online all right and now those opposed right so that fails and um thank you very

[2:54:37] Voice 12: much for that just sorry

[2:54:41] Voice 14: go ahead so it's almost noon and we have to check out by noon i believe

[2:54:46] Voice 14: if you haven't checked out yet yes letting you know that yeah seven

[2:54:50] Voice 14: minutes to that yes point

[2:54:52] Voice 14: point um and i don't know if there's any more amendments to the budget perhaps there are

[2:54:56] Voice 14: or do you want to come back

[2:54:58] Voice 12: well i've got uh laura shaken is my last speaker on the list

[2:55:01] Voice 12: and so have you concluded your motions

[2:55:04] Trustee Busheikin: i do have one more i could put it out there and we could

[2:55:10] Trustee Busheikin: just have no discussion i won't even speak to it i think it'll be obvious i would uh propose i move

[2:55:15] Trustee Busheikin: that the training comma training and conferences and travel for training be restored to the level

[2:55:32] Trustee Busheikin: of the fpc recommended budget i don't know how much that is i i'm sorry um in the couple tens

[2:55:47] Trustee Busheikin: Tens of thousands, maybe?

[2:55:48] Voice 12: Okay, let's see.

[2:55:50] Voice 14: I'll have something to offer.

[2:55:51] Voice 14: Well, Julian knows better, probably.

[2:55:53] Voice 14: But I think training organization-wide was $750.

[2:55:57] Voice 14: So that would be returning $750.

[2:56:00] Voice 14: And travel for training would put back $2,405.

[2:56:07] Voice 7: Yeah?

[2:56:08] Voice 7: Oh, Julia?

[2:56:11] Voice 32: The travel for training, $2,405 that was proposed to be reduced,

[2:56:16] Voice 32: was already added back in the staff version.

[2:56:18] Voice 32: Thank you.

[2:56:19] Voice 32: The proposed $4,343 reduction to training and conferences has not been added back.

[2:56:29] Voice 32: So that would be the value to add back if you wanted to restore training and conferences.

[2:56:34] Voice 12: For $4,300, roughly?

[2:56:36] Voice 32: $4,343, that's right.

[2:56:38] Voice 32: All right.

[2:56:40] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[2:56:40] Trustee Busheikin: That sounds good.

[2:56:41] Trustee Busheikin: Good. So it then could read that $4,333 for training and conferences.

[2:56:54] Trustee Busheikin: So take out all the rest. It's just training and conferences, I believe, if I have this right.

[2:57:00] Trustee Busheikin: Is it just staff training or is it trustee training also? It's staff training.

[2:57:04] Trustee Busheikin: okay that's what i thought um yeah so it should just read that training and conferences to the

[2:57:12] Trustee Busheikin: level of blah blah blah blah be restored 43 000 43 425 could we have clarity from staff

[2:57:31] Trustee Busheikin: about the number

[2:57:32] Voice 15: okay

[2:57:42] Voice 12: i'd like my just for clarity i think staff are looking at it we'll just give

[2:57:47] Voice 12: them a moment okay

[2:57:49] Voice 32: i think the 43 000 number that's being quoted is the amount that it would

[2:57:55] Voice 32: be restored to in order to restore that line item to 43 000 again we need to add in 4 343 dollars

[2:58:04] Voice 15: all right not 40.

[2:58:08] Voice 32: so i

[2:58:11] Voice 12: thought this was going to be quick laura well

[2:58:14] Trustee Busheikin: i just want to make it make

[2:58:15] Trustee Busheikin: sense so people and if if i can't do it quickly then we can vote on something that may not be

[2:58:20] Trustee Busheikin: clear but um is this clear to everyone okay all

[2:58:25] Voice 12: right thank you sorry about that um then is there

[2:58:28] Voice 12: any discussion i'm going to call for the vote all those in favor i

[2:58:36] Voice 4: don't think that the the motion

[2:58:38] Voice 4: says what is meant to say yeah

[2:58:44] Voice 12: i'm going to ask the mover is the motion what you want to say well

[2:58:49] Trustee Busheikin: i don't think so but i would oh

[2:58:52] Voice 12: so well then let's get the motion right what do you want to say okay

[2:58:55] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:58:56] Trustee Busheikin: That the training and conferences budget, or training and conferences item, be

[2:59:08] Voice 15: restored by

[2:59:12] Trustee Busheikin: $4,333.

[2:59:19] Trustee Busheikin: Sure. By adding $4,333.

[2:59:24] Trustee Busheikin: And

[2:59:26] Voice 15: that's fine.

[2:59:30] Voice 12: So that's fine. You're good?

[2:59:34] Voice 12: All right. Do I have a seconder for this motion? Jane Wolverton. Is there any more discussion on

[2:59:40] Voice 12: this motion? I'm not seeing any hands. Julia.

[2:59:48] Voice 32: So the full amount should be 4343, not 4333. So

[2:59:52] Voice 32: just a $10 difference. I also wanted to clarify this is for trustee training conferences as well

[2:59:57] Voice 32: of stuff.

[3:00:00] Voice 12: all right that's a good clarification um could

[3:00:05] Trustee Busheikin: i speak to a couple sentences sure thank you

[3:00:08] Trustee Busheikin: i just especially this being a new term um for trustees we don't all do it but some of us go

[3:00:15] Trustee Busheikin: to those lgla and uvic avic conferences we learn a lot um this is something that that pays off in

[3:00:23] Trustee Busheikin: the long term also this keeps our staff engaged and it keeps them up to date and they learn things

[3:00:28] Trustee Busheikin: and do good work for us all organizations do this um it's something i'm proud or would be proud of

[3:00:36] Trustee Busheikin: providing for us and our staff uh showing that we're always learning so that we can do a good

[3:00:41] Trustee Busheikin: job not a lot of money and i think it's really important and really pays off okay

[3:00:47] Voice 12: move and

[3:00:48] Voice 12: seconded is there any further discussion so we're on fast yeah

[3:00:54] Trustee Fast: i'm in support of this motion i go to

[3:00:56] Trustee Fast: to these things, I find them really valuable

[3:00:58] Trustee Fast: in helping me do my job as a trustee.

[3:01:00] Trustee Fast: And also to learn how to be efficient

[3:01:04] Trustee Fast: and not, well, correct.

[3:01:09] Trustee Fast: And also to learn from my peers,

[3:01:11] Trustee Fast: networking and collaborating opportunities.

[3:01:14] Trustee Fast: I'm in support.

[3:01:16] Trustee Fast: I also think I saw it in the governance reports.

[3:01:19] Voice 12: Okay, thank you.

[3:01:20] Voice 12: Any further discussion?

[3:01:23] Voice 12: Not seeing any on the screen, not seeing any in the room.

[3:01:26] Voice 12: i'm going to

[3:01:26] Voice 12: call the vote all those in favor and

[3:01:35] Voice 15: three so those opposed please

[3:01:39] Voice 12: everybody else lower the hands those opposed four

[3:01:47] Voice 15: on the screen yeah so it's a tie perfect

[3:02:01] Voice 12: carmen does it carry or fail so it carries thank you then all right um and that concludes your

[3:02:12] Voice 12: motions perfect okay so right now we need to recess you guys if you're not checked out of

[3:02:19] Voice 12: your rooms already you need to do that i'm going to suggest we break for half an hour there may be

[3:02:24] Voice 12: some bagged lunches for those that ordered them anybody else is going to have to serve yourself

[3:02:28] Voice 12: somehow but let's be back here 12 30 sharp

[3:02:32] Voice 14: ceo huffington are there any other potential

[3:02:36] Voice 14: amendments to the budget i'm not asking what they are but are there any more amendments to

[3:02:42] Voice 14: the budget contemplated because i don't want to lose half an hour if there

[3:02:46] Voice 12: aren't any thank you

[3:02:48] Voice 12: for that are there any more contemplated motions at this time anywhere okay sounds like the answer

[3:02:56] Voice 12: is no so the summary so

[3:03:02] Voice 32: i've been tracking uh the resolutions that have been passed i have a net

[3:03:06] Voice 32: increase to the budget that's being left out of nineteen thousand three hundred and forty three

[3:03:11] Voice 32: thousand dollars um determining how that's funded of course is necessary if we want to keep taxation

[3:03:21] Voice 32: at the current level of 2% for local trust areas,

[3:03:24] Voice 32: we would need to add that from surplus.

[3:03:27] Voice 32: There would need to be consideration of,

[3:03:29] Voice 32: I'm not going to be unlikely to fund

[3:03:33] Voice 32: additional training money from surplus.

[3:03:34] Voice 32: So we'd have to look at what projects

[3:03:36] Voice 32: are going to be funded from surplus,

[3:03:37] Voice 32: which will impact the Bowen Island calculation,

[3:03:40] Voice 32: probably minimally with a $19,000 lift,

[3:03:42] Voice 32: but there's a little bit of work

[3:03:44] Voice 32: that needs to happen to get things final,

[3:03:45] Voice 32: but that's where things are at right now.

[3:03:48] Voice 32: The original staff proposed budget

[3:03:50] Voice 32: was an increase over last year of 189 617 with the changes made now it's 209 000 increase over

[3:03:58] Voice 32: last year

[3:03:59] Voice 12: okay so i've got uh two uh questions here i think uh sue allen fast and dan rogers

[3:04:06] Trustee Fast: yeah my question is um would a motion be welcome from staff about funding the majority of the 19 000

[3:04:13] Trustee Fast: uh rise to the draft budget from surplus because i'd be happy to move that

[3:04:21] Trustee Fast: I would like to move that the $19,000 additions to the budget be funded from surplus.

[3:04:29] Trustee Fast: I'll second.

[3:04:31] Voice 12: I'll second it by Deb Morrison.

[3:04:32] Voice 12: Thank you, Deb.

[3:04:34] Voice 12: Do you wish to speak to it any further?

[3:04:36] Voice 12: It seems apparent.

[3:04:38] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:04:39] Voice 12: Then I'm going to go and call for the vote.

[3:04:41] Voice 12: Or any discussion?

[3:04:43] Voice 12: Sorry.

[3:04:43] Voice 12: No?

[3:04:44] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:04:44] Voice 12: So then I'm going to call for the vote.

[3:04:46] Voice 7: All those in favor?

[3:04:51] Voice 15: Keep your hands up.

[3:04:52] Voice 15: Thank you.

[3:04:58] Voice 12: Three on line.

[3:05:00] Voice 12: So those opposed?

[3:05:03] Voice 12: we're looking for hands opposed none in the room one online so that carries thank you

[3:05:12] Voice 12: uh c l so

[3:05:16] Voice 14: that's great thanks we can now take a break and check out of our rooms yeah and if you

[3:05:23] Voice 14: have some second thoughts you still have 30 minutes to consider those but julia's going to

[3:05:28] Voice 14: start to now have a pretty specific direction to move forward with and with the presumption at 12

[3:05:35] Voice 14: 30 we would have

[3:05:37] Voice 12: a so let's just be

[3:05:40] Voice 12: totally clear here we're going to get the numbers back we're

[3:05:42] Voice 12: going to know exactly where we're at presumably we will go to first reading etc etc

[3:05:46] Voice 14: i don't know

[3:05:47] Voice 14: whether that's true because i don't know how long it takes because it's she has to amend the five

[3:05:51] Voice 14: plan the five-year plan has to be amended by

[3:05:54] Voice 14: your current budget so so what

[3:05:57] Voice 12: is my expectation what

[3:05:58] Voice 12: should

[3:05:58] Voice 14: my expectation be the expectation

[3:06:01] Voice 14: is we've i think we're beginning the conclusion of

[3:06:04] Voice 14: discussing the various items in the budget and that you're close to saying this is good or you

[3:06:09] Voice 14: could even say it right now as soon as we have that moment we can start to develop a bylaw that

[3:06:15] Voice 14: we can come back with but where we've got

[3:06:18] Voice 12: an hour and a half after we return past

[3:06:25] Voice 7: the budget to give

[3:06:26] Voice 7: you direction to go and develop the financial plan to bring it back will i

[3:06:33] Voice 15: make that motion

[3:06:35] Voice 15: well let me just see what is the motion that we need to have i'm

[3:06:48] Voice 26: going to move we pass the

[3:06:50] Voice 26: the 2022-2023 proposed budget as amended.

[3:06:55] Voice 26: Second.

[3:06:56] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:06:58] Voice 12: So that's moved by Trustee Benz, seconded by Alex Allen.

[3:07:01] Voice 12: Is everybody clear?

[3:07:03] Trustee Fast: Is that the same as reading it the first time?

[3:07:05] Voice 12: No.

[3:07:07] Voice 12: No, because they're going to now create the bylaw

[3:07:10] Voice 12: and we will then read it first time.

[3:07:12] Voice 15: Okay, thank you.

[3:07:13] Voice 12: Okay, awesome.

[3:07:15] Voice 12: I'm going to call the vote,

[3:07:17] Voice 15: all those in favor.

[3:07:18] Voice 15: but i

[3:07:32] Voice 12: think i saw four online actually so hands down any opposed as two online that are opposed

[3:07:43] Voice 15: oh

[3:07:44] Voice 12: and one in the room thank you it

[3:07:48] Voice 15: carries

[3:07:49] Voice 12: okay so now yeah well we gotta get through readings

[3:07:54] Voice 12: here that's yeah thank you very much so that's my expectation now is you're going to come back

[3:08:00] Voice 12: with a bylaw we'll give it some readings when we return and uh we'll see how much is left in the

[3:08:05] Voice 12: the day so let's recess back here let's try and be here sharp for 12 30 i know that might be a

[3:08:13] Voice 12: challenge and laurie do you have anything to advise us about bag food or anything though

[3:08:17] Voice 12: it is it will be as it is thank you well done everybody and

[3:08:27] Voice 15: well done staff

[3:42:31] Voice 11: So, Julia, are

[3:42:33] Voice 12: you going to lead us here in what you've got, or what is your expectation for us to get to this conclusion?

[3:42:44] Voice 32: Well, there was an approved budget before we recessed, so that piece of the work has been taken care of.

[3:42:51] Voice 32: I have taken that approved budget for next fiscal year and translated it into the five-year financial plan bylaw.

[3:42:58] Voice 32: I've sent that over to Lori. Hopefully, she can pull it up on the screen.

[3:43:02] Voice 32: there's normally not significant discussion around the five-year financial plan bylaw it is what we

[3:43:07] Voice 32: send to the minister and they will do some work around it they usually come to me with their

[3:43:11] Voice 32: questions um and then they will approve it we hope and then trust council will adopt the five-year

[3:43:17] Voice 32: financial plan bylaw later in the

[3:43:19] Voice 32: year by rwm thank you laurie so you'll note the year one

[3:43:29] Voice 32: in the five-year financial plan fiscal year 2022-23 is reflecting a two percent increase so

[3:43:34] Voice 32: that is reflective of the budget that was just approved and the future years are simply a fallout

[3:43:40] Voice 32: of projections based on the information in the briefing or the request for decision

[3:43:45] Voice 32: i can happily take questions all

[3:43:48] Voice 12: right so we got a question from jane wolverton

[3:43:52] Voice 12: no

[3:43:52] Voice 18: it's just just ask if we can get this uh emailed to us so we can see it a little more

[3:43:58] Voice 18: clearly okay

[3:44:01] Voice 6: thank you peter grove so is that the bottom line julia we're anticipating a two

[3:44:05] Voice 6: percent increase in property taxes based upon the budget we approved earlier that's the number two

[3:44:12] Voice 6: percent thanks oh

[3:44:14] Voice 12: yeah you have to turn your mic off if you want an answer that is correct two

[3:44:18] Voice 12: percent

[3:44:19] Voice 32: to local trust

[3:44:19] Voice 12: areas excellent thank you um any other questions online or in the room sue

[3:44:27] Voice 12: ellen fast yeah

[3:44:29] Trustee Fast: i'm wondering if you've had a chance to tell us what the bowen requisition

[3:44:33] Trustee Fast: will be?

[3:44:48] Voice 32: Okay, so we have reworked the Bowen Island municipal tax levy. We are looking at a

[3:44:53] Voice 32: levy of an increase of $12,000 over last year's budget, $12,500. So it's valued at $323,769

[3:45:02] Voice 32: and change. Very good.

[3:45:05] Voice 32: That's about a 4% increase over last year. $323,769 and change.

[3:45:17] Voice 15: Right.

[3:45:19] Voice 12: Okay. Are there any further questions? So then at this juncture, Julia, are we ready to start readings? So I'll turn to the Chair of Financial Planning Committee.

[3:45:31] Voice 6: It gives me great pleasure to move that Islands Trust Council By-law 185 cited as the financial plan by-law 2223 be read a first time.

[3:45:41] Voice 12: Do I

[3:45:42] Voice 6: have a seconder?

[3:45:44] Voice 6: And Rod.

[3:45:50] Voice 12: Yeah, Peter, I had my hand up a little earlier, sorry.

[3:45:55] Voice 12: Thank you, Grant, I'm just getting there.

[3:46:00] Voice 12: Grant Scott, do you have a question about the budget?

[3:46:06] Voice 30: Yeah, I'd like to ask the question before you put the motion up there, please.

[3:46:10] Voice 30: How does that 8.951 compare to last year?

[3:46:21] Voice 32: I'm not sure what number you're referring to.

[3:46:24] Voice 30: Well, I'm looking at what's on the screen. It says total cash requirements, $8.951 million.

[3:46:37] Voice 15: He said $26,000. Can

[3:46:46] Voice 12: you be more

[3:46:47] Voice 12: specific where you are, Grant?

[3:46:50] Voice 30: I'm sorry. Well, I'm just looking on the screen. It says Islands Trust five-year financial. What am I looking at? I mean, that's what's on the screen. Am I reading the wrong thing?

[3:47:00] Voice 32: Oh, I see. So you're inquiring about what this document is.

[3:47:03] Voice 32: Oh,

[3:47:03] Voice 12: I see. So you just came in late. Yeah, did I miss? Yes, you did. Okay, I'm sorry. And that

[3:47:10] Voice 12: would be hard to start again for everybody that comes in late. No,

[3:47:13] Voice 30: you're right. You're right.

[3:47:14] Voice 30: Okay. I'll retract that.

[3:47:17] Voice 12: Okay. So Julia, that's the five year plan. That's correct. Thank you.

[3:47:26] Voice 12: And sorry for being blunt. But there we go. My mistakes. That's all right. So that motion is

[3:47:34] Voice 12: is on the floor.

[3:47:35] Voice 12: Did I get a seconder?

[3:47:37] Voice 12: Okay, thank you.

[3:47:38] Voice 12: That was Dan, that's right.

[3:47:39] Voice 12: So any discussion or you wish to speak to the motion?

[3:47:42] Voice 12: No, I wanna thank everybody,

[3:47:44] Voice 12: especially Julia for the heroic work here.

[3:47:49] Voice 12: And as I said earlier, let's not do this again.

[3:47:54] Voice 12: So I'm gonna call the vote.

[3:47:55] Voice 12: Although, and Grant, your hand is still up.

[3:47:58] Voice 12: So I'm gonna call the vote for all those in favor.

[3:48:01] Voice 12: and i've got

[3:48:11] Voice 7: four out of the room five

[3:48:16] Voice 12: out of the room okay so five out of the room um

[3:48:22] Voice 12: i'm going to ask for those opposed please raise your hand so

[3:48:28] Voice 7: first reading i see

[3:48:34] Voice 12: paul brent is opposed is that correct no paul and is now down right so then that is uh there's

[3:48:44] Voice 12: none opposed and that uh carries uh

[3:48:48] Voice 6: back to you peter so i will move that the islands trust council

[3:48:51] Voice 6: by law 185 cited as the financial plan by law 2022-23 be read second time

[3:48:56] Voice 12: moved out of secondary

[3:48:58] Voice 12: doug fenton thanks doug um is there any discussion i

[3:49:05] Voice 4: have a question peter

[3:49:06] Voice 12: johnson over to you

[3:49:08] Voice 4: are we what is this financial plan is it the column one on the five-year plan

[3:49:15] Voice 4: it's something that i haven't seen yet julia

[3:49:20] Voice 11: so

[3:49:23] Voice 32: the islands trust each year prepares a five

[3:49:26] Voice 32: year financial plan that is a fallout single year budget that is approved by trust council

[3:49:32] Voice 32: this five-year plan is a is a bylaw that we send to the minister for review and approval

[3:49:38] Voice 32: football does that answer the question is

[3:49:42] Voice 4: that what we're voting on now that's right okay thank

[3:49:48] Voice 4: you yeah

[3:49:55] Voice 12: i'm sorry russ i can't hear nobody else well

[3:50:00] Voice 14: that's i think the third question about what

[3:50:02] Voice 14: are we doing yeah so just are there questions that people have this is the annual moment where

[3:50:10] Voice 14: all the work we've done up till now has been consolidated and is being provided by julia

[3:50:17] Voice 14: into a by-law form that you are now going to pass.

[3:50:20] Voice 14: I think you have three readings.

[3:50:22] Voice 14: And then it goes to the minister and returns.

[3:50:26] Voice 14: So that's the process that we're at right now,

[3:50:28] Voice 14: and we're considering first reading in that process.

[3:50:31] Voice 7: Yeah.

[3:50:31] Voice 12: And I think perhaps some folks are maybe coming in a little bit late

[3:50:35] Voice 12: and have missed the beginning here, but I'm not sure what to do about that.

[3:50:38] Voice 12: So I'm going to ask, is there any discussion on second reading?

[3:50:43] Voice 12: And so I'll call for the vote.

[3:50:45] Voice 12: All those in favor?

[3:50:51] Voice 12: somebody's got their mic unmuted a vote on second reading and i've got four on the screen

[3:51:03] Voice 12: and so i'm going to ask you to lower your hands now now and any opposed none

[3:51:11] Voice 6: opposed that carries

[3:51:13] Voice 6: peter so i will move that islands trust council by law 185 cited as the financial plan by law

[3:51:19] Voice 6: 2022-23 he read a third term moved

[3:51:22] Voice 12: seconded by dan rogers uh any discussion no okay i'll call

[3:51:30] Voice 12: the vote

[3:51:30] Voice 15: all those in favor five on the screen

[3:51:40] Voice 12: seems to jump up and down so we've got five

[3:51:47] Voice 12: so again i think that carries any opposed none

[3:51:53] Voice 6: opposed so indeed that carries and i will move

[3:51:56] Voice 6: that islands trust council bylaw 185 cited as the financial plan bylaw 2022-23 be forwarded

[3:52:02] Voice 6: to the minister of municipal affairs for approval consideration so it's moved and

[3:52:08] Voice 12: seconded by jane

[3:52:09] Voice 12: wolverton and um i'll ask if there's any discussion no there's a hand up there paul brent

[3:52:21] Voice 12: you have to unmute yourself hope you're not driving

[3:52:26] I

[3:52:26] Voice 4: can't get the hand down. I'm sorry.

[3:52:32] Voice 12: Yeah, you have to shift from third. Okay. So I'm just going to call the vote. All those in favor?

[3:52:41] Voice 12: And we've

[3:52:49] Voice 12: got five on the board. So and many opposed? None opposed?

[3:53:00] Voice 12: Cameron Thorne, are you opposed? So I'm just going to watch that for a moment.

[3:53:06] Voice 12: Trustee Colburn, your hand is still up. And so I'm going to assume you're opposed.

[3:53:10] Voice 12: opposed to the financial

[3:53:11] Voice 12: plan bylaw okay so one opposed and so that carries um i think that

[3:53:22] Voice 12: concludes it well done everybody so i'm going to go back to my agenda now which i haven't looked

[3:53:31] Voice 12: at for a long time uh what we need now is the revenue anticipation borrowing bylaw

[3:53:36] Voice 12: which is a standard uh thing but i'll just provide an opportunity for julia to uh just

[3:53:44] Voice 12: Just tell us what that is, and we'll go through the process.

[3:53:51] Voice 32: As the chair indicates, this is a standard bylaw that comes before council each year

[3:53:56] Voice 32: in conjunction with the five-year financial plan bylaw.

[3:53:59] Voice 32: What this bylaw permits Trust Council to do is borrow money when and if needed.

[3:54:04] Voice 32: So the bylaw, as it's written, applies a limit of a million dollars to that borrowing.

[3:54:09] Voice 32: borrowing. I believe in the entire history of the Trust there has been borrowing maybe

[3:54:16] Voice 32: once, certainly not in many, many years, so it's not anticipated that we will need to

[3:54:21] Voice 32: use this borrowing by-law, but it's here for consideration and it is a requirement in the

[3:54:25] Voice 32: Act.

[3:54:26] Voice 12: Thank

[3:54:26] Voice 6: you. Any questions on it? Somebody would like to make that motion?

[3:54:30] Voice 6: Certainly will. I move that the Islands Trust Council By-law 186, cited as the Revenue Anticipation

[3:54:35] Voice 6: borrowing bylaw 2022 23 be read a first time moved as secondary dan rogers um

[3:54:42] Voice 12: any discussion

[3:54:45] Voice 12: nothing on the screen or nothing

[3:54:46] Voice 15: in the room all those in favor all right and five on

[3:54:56] Voice 12: outside so um

[3:54:58] Voice 12: any opposed um jim peterson are you imprisoning you're not opposed okay thank you

[3:55:07] Voice 6: um uh next

[3:55:09] Voice 6: I move that the Islands Trust Council bylaw 186 cited as the revenue anticipation borrowing bylaw 2022-203 be read a second time.

[3:55:17] Voice 6: Right. And just for the record, that first reading

[3:55:19] Voice 12: did carry.

[3:55:21] Voice 12: And so we've got a second reading here now. And so, of course, seconder and Jane Wolverton.

[3:55:28] Voice 12: Thank you. Is there any discussion? Not seeing any.

[3:55:33] Voice 15: No. All those in favor?

[3:55:40] Voice 12: Five on the screen. So that carries

[3:55:43] Voice 6: also. Thank you.

[3:55:43] Voice 6: a

[3:55:44] Voice 12: third reading so i

[3:55:45] Voice 6: moved the islands trust council bylaw 186 cited as the revenue anticipation

[3:55:49] Voice 6: borrowing bylaw 2022 20 cb read a third time

[3:55:52] Voice 12: moved to a seconder doug fenton thank you

[3:55:55] Voice 12: um any discussion um i'll call for the vote

[3:56:01] Voice 15: all those in favor okay

[3:56:07] Voice 12: you're in favor there

[3:56:08] Voice 12: lee middleton yeah thank you um and on the screen there's six so

[3:56:14] Voice 6: again that carries

[3:56:15] Voice 6: thank you very much

[3:56:16] Voice 6: I move that the Islands Trust Council bylaw 186

[3:56:19] Voice 6: cited as the revenue anticipation

[3:56:20] Voice 6: borrowing bylaw 2022-23

[3:56:22] Voice 6: be forwarded to the Minister of Municipal Affairs

[3:56:24] Voice 6: and Housing for approval and consideration

[3:56:28] Voice 12: moved, seconded

[3:56:29] Voice 12: Swell and Fast, thank you

[3:56:31] Voice 12: and any discussion

[3:56:33] Voice 12: no, all those in favour

[3:56:39] Voice 12: again

[3:56:39] Voice 12: it looks like it carries

[3:56:41] Voice 12: unanimously and thank

[3:56:44] Voice 12: you very much trustees

[3:56:45] Voice 12: these i think that does it so that concludes our budget approval process well done um so you know

[3:56:56] Voice 12: honestly we're into overtime we've got to be out of this uh location pretty quick here um

[3:57:03] Voice 12: unless there's some serious opposition um to this i would like to go try and get through what we can

[3:57:10] Voice 12: that's remaining on here rather quickly um and i i don't think and i don't believe and i've had

[3:57:19] Voice 12: some words with a few individuals that there's no urgency to uh the governance uh short-term

[3:57:29] Voice 12: committee to get that process started looking at the

[3:57:32] Voice 12: governance and um i don't know that we

[3:57:36] Voice 12: necessarily have sufficient time to actually establish a nomination uh ballots election

[3:57:44] Voice 12: appointments and all that sort of stuff and um we can easily do this in june as a priority on

[3:57:50] Voice 12: the agenda then and if there's no dissent to that i would like to work under that assumption

[3:57:55] Voice 12: and try and wrap up the agenda today which would be awesome okay uh now i see a hand up there with

[3:58:02] Voice 12: to trustee Peterson.

[3:58:06] Voice 10: Yeah, chair, there was a motion,

[3:58:10] Voice 10: an alternate motion to trustee Rogers motion

[3:58:14] Voice 10: about a governance committee that was forwarded to Lori.

[3:58:20] Voice 10: That would be a standing committee style

[3:58:23] Voice 10: with appointments as per regular committees.

[3:58:29] Voice 10: I hear you, this doesn't sound like you want to entertain

[3:58:32] Voice 10: that today, no.

[3:58:33] Voice 10: I,

[3:58:35] Voice 12: I think not. Um, I think that I'm not totally sure what you just said, except that I think that

[3:58:42] Voice 12: you're considering it immediately striking that new committee and nice, you know, that it's up to

[3:58:49] Voice 12: for debate as to whether or not we should actually have a smaller body consider that action and the

[3:58:54] Voice 12: implications. Um, so, um, I would suggest you bring that back in, in June, but it's up to

[3:59:05] Voice 12: what you feel but unless i hear otherwise i'm going to continue on now with our agenda at 15.1

[3:59:13] Voice 12: okay so uh this is trustee updates and certainly we encourage uh everybody to send in

[3:59:19] Voice 12: printed materials so that um reports so that the public can see it and we can just go through these

[3:59:28] Voice 12: with receiving them so i don't see anything on bc fairies advisory advisory committee chairs

[3:59:33] Voice 12: There's certainly lots of activity going on out there.

[3:59:36] Voice 12: Does anybody want to address something very briefly

[3:59:40] Voice 12: about BC Ferries Advisory Committees in their areas?

[3:59:44] Voice 12: No, not seeing anything, nothing on the screen.

[3:59:49] Voice 12: So First Nations activities, Trustee Johnson-

[3:59:52] Voice 30: Peter, can I, I'm sorry.

[3:59:54] Voice 30: Can I just mention about the Ferry Advisory Committee?

[3:59:57] Voice 30: We have a meeting tomorrow with-

[4:00:00] Voice 30: Mr. Osborne, and about our ferries here,

[4:00:03] Voice 30: which are disastrous in the summer.

[4:00:05] Voice 30: And we're asked, we're going to be pushing very hard.

[4:00:07] Voice 30: We just need bigger ferries.

[4:00:08] Voice 30: There's no other solution.

[4:00:10] Voice 30: It's much the same as Vesuzi, as I take.

[4:00:12] Voice 30: So that's just what we're going to be doing tomorrow with the minister.

[4:00:15] Voice 30: Okay, thank you.

[4:00:17] Voice 12: Awesome.

[4:00:17] Voice 12: That's good news that here the ferry is listing.

[4:00:22] Voice 12: So we're a life jacket.

[4:00:25] Voice 12: Thank you.

[4:00:27] Voice 12: First Nations, Trustee Johnson,

[4:00:28] Voice 12: and you've submitted a report here

[4:00:30] Voice 12: and I appreciate you doing that.

[4:00:32] Voice 12: And maybe I'll just defer the essence of time.

[4:00:35] Voice 12: I'll ask if there's any questions

[4:00:37] Voice 12: for Trustee Johnson on his report.

[4:00:41] Voice 12: Dan Rogers.

[4:00:43] Voice 5: Sorry, not on his report,

[4:00:44] Voice 5: but I think it was Peter that sent out a notice

[4:00:47] Voice 5: of a meeting tomorrow that I was,

[4:00:51] Voice 5: and I wasn't clear whether that was meant for everybody.

[4:00:54] Voice 5: It was last week sometime, I think Trustee Johnson.

[4:00:56] Voice 5: yeah

[4:00:57] Voice 4: it's for it's tomorrow 10 o'clock till 11 30 all trustees are invited and the staff has

[4:01:03] Voice 4: been invited too so if you're if you're interested the invitations in your box uh you have to

[4:01:10] Voice 4: register before the meeting i see thank

[4:01:12] Voice 12: you good thank you very much do you have anything else to

[4:01:17] Voice 12: share with us peter no

[4:01:19] Voice 4: it's all in the writing thanks okay

[4:01:21] Voice 12: thank you is there anybody else that

[4:01:23] Voice 12: that has anything to share about First Nations relationships?

[4:01:28] Voice 12: Doug Fenton, I'm

[4:01:30] Voice 11: going to give you a kick there.

[4:01:31] Voice 11: Tell us what's going on on Phoebus.

[4:01:33] Voice 11: On Phoebus.

[4:01:36] Voice 8: Well, it's been a quiet place,

[4:01:39] Voice 8: but it's actually coming to life slowly.

[4:01:43] Voice 8: What else have we got?

[4:01:44] Voice 8: We've got some pending work with the L'Axon

[4:01:48] Voice 8: and Penelope First Nations doing a shoreline tour

[4:01:52] Voice 8: as as uh with some c2c grant money um as sort of our initial engagement our pre-engagement in a

[4:02:02] Voice 8: sense um to kick off our shoreline protection um project and uh we are working with them also with

[4:02:13] Voice 8: our local conservancy with respect to um nature conservancy certainly natural

[4:02:20] Voice 8: natural habitat preservation working with their insights.

[4:02:25] Voice 12: Right, so thank you.

[4:02:27] Voice 12: Sorry for putting you on the spot there,

[4:02:28] Voice 12: but the CTC grant is significant

[4:02:30] Voice 12: and engaging with the Penelakut to actually name

[4:02:33] Voice 12: the most recent conservancy holdings

[4:02:36] Voice 12: on Tevis is significant.

[4:02:37] Voice 12: Thank you.

[4:02:38] Voice 12: So Gulf Islands National Park Reserve Committee,

[4:02:41] Voice 12: Lowry Middleton, are you still on then

[4:02:44] Voice 12: or is that still very dormant?

[4:02:47] Voice 12: It's completely dormant.

[4:02:49] Voice 12: Okay.

[4:02:49] Voice 12: Okay, so maybe we should remove that from our list.

[4:02:53] Voice 33: Well, I guess we should find out if parks

[4:02:55] Voice 33: actually want to commit there's a new superintendent

[4:02:59] Voice 33: if they want to pursue reestablishing the committee.

[4:03:09] Voice 33: So I can do that and maybe report back in June

[4:03:12] Voice 33: as to what is learned.

[4:03:14] Voice 12: Sure,

[4:03:14] Voice 33: thank

[4:03:15] Voice 12: you very much, Lee Middleton.

[4:03:17] Voice 12: I'm going to go to Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance, the chair, Lord Patrick.

[4:03:23] Voice 12: Peter,

[4:03:24] Voice 30: again, I'm behind. I got my hand up. I'm behind you. Just on that earlier point, if I can mention, there was a Zoom meeting this morning with the Minister of the Environment, the Federal Minister of the Environment, and Joyce Murray, the Minister for DFO now.

[4:03:46] Voice 30: and one of the big topics was increasing marine parks

[4:03:51] Voice 30: and protected areas and all these numbers came out

[4:03:55] Voice 30: and I suggest rather than just kind of abandoning it,

[4:03:58] Voice 30: you actually go back to the minister

[4:04:00] Voice 30: and point out that further to what was announced

[4:04:06] Voice 30: that we think this is an important initiative,

[4:04:09] Voice 30: something like that,

[4:04:11] Voice 30: but they flagged it as very important anyway.

[4:04:13] Voice 12: way right thank you but i i believe you're speaking about provincial marine protected areas

[4:04:20] Voice 12: no i

[4:04:21] Voice 30: think it no i think it's federal oh is this one provincial i mean if it's

[4:04:27] Voice 30: got anything to do

[4:04:27] Voice 30: with marine it's got to be federal too no no

[4:04:31] Voice 12: the gulf islands national park reserve is

[4:04:34] Voice 12: specifically the federal national park reserves so it's fine it's good information but there's

[4:04:40] Voice 12: a distinct i think there's a distinction there

[4:04:42] Voice 30: i'm not

[4:04:43] Voice 30: quite i'm not quite sure but anyway okay

[4:04:46] Voice 12: that's fine thank you for your information that's good to know uh so now over to salt spring island

[4:04:52] Voice 12: watershed protection alliance so laura patrick uh

[4:04:56] Voice 21: i'll wait and i think we'll water report in june

[4:05:00] Voice 12: okay thank you awesome uh trustee stanford i'll get some house sound community forum

[4:05:07] Voice 12: i provided a written report in the package so i think we'll just leave it at that

[4:05:11] Voice 12: All right. And I have Baines House Sound. I don't have anything attached here. Nope. Okay. Thank you. And the Freighter Anchorage update. I don't, you know, it's interesting. I don't think there's not any particular update at this time, although, of course, there's ongoing continued interest.

[4:05:30] Voice 12: Claire Frader and I are actually going to meet with the Port Authority on the 29th of March to discuss that letter that some of you will have seen that is an engagement that the port is undertaking under the initiative that came in during the election process, actually asking the port to do a management and traffic plan.

[4:05:54] Voice 12: And it seems to be, as we know, there's a lot of confusion and misunderstanding about the interest of the Honest Trust in this process.

[4:06:03] Voice 12: And so we're hoping to I'm hoping to line that up a little bit better.

[4:06:08] Voice 12: There's a possible another thing just to note, there's a possible labor dispute out there with one or more of the rail companies.

[4:06:14] Voice 12: And we're going to see more freighters. And what's really interesting to note,

[4:06:19] Voice 12: Doug and I have certainly seen it is there's more and more container ships

[4:06:25] Voice 12: anchoring in the Southern Gulf Islands, which is a new trend.

[4:06:30] Voice 12: So Jane Wolverton, do you have something to offer on freighter anchors?

[4:06:34] Voice 18: No, it's on the Southern Gulf Island Forum.

[4:06:36] Voice 18: Just to let you know that on Monday,

[4:06:38] Voice 18: we are having a half-day session with Transport Canada and the topic will be

[4:06:44] Voice 18: freighters.

[4:06:44] Voice 12: Perfect. Thank you for that. I forgot that.

[4:06:47] Voice 8: Doug Fenton, you have something?

[4:06:49] Voice 8: Yeah, I was hoping we would get the alliance position paper together.

[4:06:56] Voice 8: It just came out literally in the middle of this meeting.

[4:06:59] Voice 8: They were going to have it out hopefully last week.

[4:07:01] Voice 8: But with that, I will forward copies to Trust Council for the record and understanding of these positions.

[4:07:11] Voice 12: Thank you.

[4:07:11] Voice 11: Okay.

[4:07:12] Voice 12: Anything from the penders?

[4:07:14] Voice 12: You know, that's another hot spot.

[4:07:17] Voice 12: seeing any hands up there and stop Scott Colburn in your area another hot spot no

[4:07:24] Voice 1: yes I'll be meeting with Port Authority as well with the engagement process

[4:07:29] Voice 1: perfect

[4:07:31] Voice 12: thank you Scott we'll compare notes I'm going to move on then to Trust Council

[4:07:37] Voice 12: top priorities report ostensibly there for information listing all of the top priorities

[4:07:44] Voice 12: of the committees and the ltc's is there any uh reason to do anything else with that other than

[4:07:50] Voice 12: receive it for information any corrections could be forwarded to staff okay thank you so we'll just

[4:07:55] Voice 12: receive that for information um so you know proposed june trust council agenda um that is

[4:08:04] Voice 12: about as fluid as anything gets that's a very initial early first draft and that will evolve

[4:08:12] Voice 12: over time um and so it's just for your information of the when and the where is going to be electronic

[4:08:21] Voice 12: at this time okay um disposition of delegations and public comment requests gosh that was uh two

[4:08:31] Voice 12: days ago um is there any actions that uh other than normally we write to the delegations and

[4:08:38] Voice 12: thank them of course we don't respond directly to town hall participants but is there any direction

[4:08:45] Voice 12: that wants to be taken so i'm going to go to dan rogers and lord bishop

[4:08:49] Voice 11: taken um

[4:08:52] Voice 5: the year of the

[4:08:54] Voice 5: salish sea uh was the one that had the action item act and frankly it was a very interesting

[4:09:01] Voice 5: presentation and i all i could think about is yeah but what work is that going to put on our plate

[4:09:07] Voice 5: if we if we declare it to be the year this like what are the expectations around that

[4:09:13] Voice 5: um and it's on the other hand we sort of are the we're sort of the the the agency local government

[4:09:23] Voice 5: in the salish sea so i i think it would be a bidding of congress for us not to declare on the

[4:09:30] Voice 5: the, to recognize the year of the Salish Sea.

[4:09:33] Voice 5: And I wondered if we could just do that.

[4:09:39] Voice 5: And then I guess we could talk to staff

[4:09:42] Voice 5: about what that might look like.

[4:09:44] Voice 5: I don't know what other people think about that.

[4:09:47] Voice 5: And see some nodding.

[4:09:48] Voice 5: So I'll move that the Islands Trust Council,

[4:09:52] Voice 5: if we declare or recognize the June 8th.

[4:09:58] Voice 5: Oh, is there an actual motion?

[4:10:01] Voice 11: don't drop don't drop that

[4:10:02] Voice 5: sorry i think a point of order i

[4:10:05] Trustee Busheikin: did send a copy of that

[4:10:18] Voice 12: just bear with us a second we're having a conversation here grant um i'll come to you

[4:10:24] Voice 12: in a moment um so we have a copy i think of the motion that's presented is it the same there's

[4:10:32] Trustee Busheikin: two words at the very end that are a little different it's at the bottom paragraph it says

[4:10:38] Trustee Busheikin: has encouraged staff and trustees they just had direct staff and i think directing is a little

[4:10:43] Trustee Busheikin: strong given that staff are busy and i think trustees should be encouraged to we do all those

[4:10:47] Trustee Busheikin: anyways but i think it is important to and i did have a little conversation with claire and she

[4:10:53] Trustee Busheikin: felt that this is a statement of principle and then we can discuss afterwards how much action we

[4:11:00] Trustee Busheikin: can or can't do but this is a big statement of support and we're already doing a lot of this so

[4:11:07] Trustee Busheikin: she thought it was not going to be disruptive in terms of work

[4:11:10] Voice 12: okay so who's going to run with the

[4:11:13] Voice 12: motion here and let me just go to grant scott for a moment do you have a question grant i

[4:11:19] Voice 30: do i do as

[4:11:20] Voice 30: much as an observation uh we just came out of herring fest on hornby and it was a huge success

[4:11:27] Voice 30: and i think what we could do to support this idea of the year of the saly sea is on a similar vein

[4:11:34] Voice 30: We could have an evening of videos with short videos that highlight what the Salish Sea is all about.

[4:11:40] Voice 30: Bob Turner from Bowen is somebody I think everybody knows.

[4:11:43] Voice 30: There's a lot of really good videos coming out about the Salish Sea that we could be behind.

[4:11:49] Voice 30: We could have a day of, I don't know, half a day of speakers that you just did on Hornby.

[4:11:54] Voice 30: There's some really good speakers out there to talk on the issues.

[4:11:56] Voice 30: I don't think it would take up much staff time at all if we want to do it sort of.

[4:12:01] Voice 30: I'm kind of using the Hornby Island model,

[4:12:04] Voice 30: but I think we could do it cheaply.

[4:12:06] Voice 30: We could do it efficiently.

[4:12:07] Voice 30: And I think it could be very interesting.

[4:12:09] Voice 30: So I strongly support this idea.

[4:12:11] Voice 30: Thanks.

[4:12:15] Voice 12: Okay, thank you.

[4:12:16] Voice 12: I don't know what capacity we have to do any of that,

[4:12:19] Voice 12: but let's get the motion that on the floor

[4:12:21] Voice 12: from those that have the floor at the moment.

[4:12:26] Voice 12: Laura Beshaken.

[4:12:27] Voice 12: Okay,

[4:12:28] Trustee Busheikin: I'll make the motion then.

[4:12:29] Trustee Busheikin: I'll read it out.

[4:12:30] Trustee Busheikin: Should I read it out?

[4:12:31] Trustee Busheikin: It's long.

[4:12:32] Voice 12: This is the

[4:12:32] Trustee Busheikin: motion suggested to us.

[4:12:34] Trustee Busheikin: we don't usually say be it resolved but therefore be it or i move that trust council support the

[4:12:42] Trustee Busheikin: simon fraser university fall 2021 semester in dialogue report recommendations to proclaim

[4:12:48] Trustee Busheikin: june 8 2022 to june 7 2023 as the year of the salish sea thereby joining other government

[4:12:56] Trustee Busheikin: bodies organizations and community groups in a collective collective effort to improve the

[4:13:00] Trustee Busheikin: health and management of the Salish Sea, and that Trust Council directs staff to explore

[4:13:05] Trustee Busheikin: opportunities to collaborate with local organizations, networks, and individuals taking part in the

[4:13:11] Trustee Busheikin: year of the Salish Sea to raise public awareness about the importance of a revitalized and

[4:13:16] Trustee Busheikin: healthy Salish Sea, and that Trust Council encourage staff and trustees to learn from

[4:13:20] Trustee Busheikin: the lived experiences and knowledge of the Indigenous Nations of the Salish Sea on how

[4:13:25] Trustee Busheikin: to improve the health and management of the Salish Sea for the benefit of future generations.

[4:13:29] Voice 12: All right. I'm going to take it to Grant Scott. You want to second that because your hand's still

[4:13:34] Voice 12: up. And that'll be great. And is there any discussion on this? Grant, do you wish to

[4:13:43] Voice 12: speak to this? Or Laura, do you wish to speak to it any further? No? Grant?

[4:13:47] Voice 30: No, I think I did already, Peter. Thank you.

[4:13:49] Voice 12: Okay. So then I'll call the votes. That's all right. All those in favor?

[4:13:56] Voice 12: And that's everybody in the room, four people online. Any opposed?

[4:14:02] Voice 12: and then grant okay there's none opposed so that carries um brilliant thank you is there any other

[4:14:10] Voice 12: for the business on that no okay so is there any other uh business associated with delegations or

[4:14:16] Voice 12: town hall

[4:14:21] Voice 7: okay okay

[4:14:24] Voice 12: thank you um at 16 here it says strategic plan amendments now is that in the

[4:14:33] Voice 12: the uh that's not in the appendices is it there's help me out here staff that's just there if trust

[4:14:45] Voice 21: council wishes to it's

[4:14:46] Voice 12: a holding place okay perfect so i'm going to then move to correspondence

[4:14:50] Voice 12: um the first item at 17.1 and indeed in your appendices is additional correspondence that

[4:14:58] Voice 12: was forwarded from executive committee on tuesday and um the first item here at 17.1

[4:15:05] Voice 12: is main island conservancy society for urgent action regarding fallow deer and i think i'm

[4:15:11] Voice 12: going to go to our colleague here from main island um to uh speak to this one and if you have a

[4:15:19] Voice 12: motion well

[4:15:20] Voice 31: thank you chair um it's it's there hopefully everybody's had a chance to read it

[4:15:24] Voice 31: um as hopefully many are aware the the deer both black tail and fellow are out of control on main

[4:15:31] Voice 31: main island um as of the black tail out of control on many of the other gulf islands and

[4:15:36] Voice 31: what i was hoping to get is a letter of support or endorsement from from trust council or from

[4:15:43] Voice 31: the chair um to the minister because nobody's doing anything in fact this year they defunded us

[4:15:50] Voice 31: they've changed the regulation so there's no active hunting on island except for by

[4:15:54] Voice 31: by shotgun our hired hunters our volunteer hunters have all been stopped

[4:16:02] Voice 31: so if it's appropriate to make a motion well

[4:16:06] Voice 12: have you spoken with staff at all about a particular

[4:16:08] Voice 12: motion no um so um maybe i'll just turn to staff and say uh you know no disrespect but a simple

[4:16:17] Voice 12: letter to the minister to support this is relatively straightforward yeah so then a motion

[4:16:22] Voice 12: to ask for a letter from council signed by the chair would be terrific i'm just going to go to

[4:16:28] Voice 12: To Kate-Louise Stanford, do you have some thoughts here?

[4:16:32] Voice 19: Just speaking as chair of the Islands Trust Conservancy,

[4:16:35] Voice 19: I'm going to add this to our agenda for a similar display of support

[4:16:43] Voice 19: because we know we recognize the issue you're having,

[4:16:46] Voice 19: and it is issues on other islands and how the government is dealing with it there.

[4:16:50] Voice 19: So that's another thing we can do.

[4:16:53] Voice 12: So maybe we could just even formally forward this to the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[4:16:57] Voice 12: yeah so

[4:16:59] Voice 31: i'll turn it over to you so if i could make that motion that that um a letter of support

[4:17:05] Voice 31: be sent to the minister yeah simple as that uh

[4:17:09] Voice 12: from trust council signed by the chair yeah

[4:17:12] Voice 12: that'd be great seconded by uh case longer as any discussion all those in favor that carries

[4:17:20] Voice 12: do you want to just by general consent um uh council would forward this letter to the

[4:17:25] Voice 12: honest trust conservancy perfect okay excellent um so in the in the correspondence here 17.2 through

[4:17:34] Voice 12: 7.27 and then they i think there was about six items in the

[4:17:40] Voice 12: um addendum is there any action

[4:17:42] Voice 12: anybody would like to take with respect to any of this correspondence other than receiving for

[4:17:46] Voice 12: information um i see two hands up on the screen janine dodds and peter johnson

[4:17:55] Voice 15: janine dodds

[4:17:57] Voice 15: it might

[4:18:02] Voice 12: be mobile but peter johnson over to you and we'll come back to janine i

[4:18:07] Voice 4: i would like to

[4:18:08] Voice 4: move that press council asked the chair to write a letter supporting this is item 17-7

[4:18:14] Voice 4: uh the private members bill the uh drug users and safety of providing safe drugs

[4:18:24] Voice 4: okay

[4:18:27] Voice 12: i was unable to translate what you said there was some reason did anybody else hear

[4:18:32] Voice 12: what was said dan can you help us me

[4:18:35] Voice 5: anyway he uh

[4:18:36] Voice 5: trustee johnson wanted us to the letter of

[4:18:40] Voice 5: support pursuant to 17.7 and bill c 216. uh there's

[4:18:48] Trustee Fast: a letter of support from council

[4:18:50] Trustee Fast: about safe drugs about safe drug supply oh right

[4:18:55] Voice 5: remember we got that we got the letter

[4:18:57] Voice 5: and executive.

[4:19:00] Voice 12: Peter Johnson, is that a motion? I'm sorry, Peter, is that a motion? Yes. And do

[4:19:09] Voice 12: I have a seconder for the motion? Doug Fenton, seconding the motion. Do you wish to speak to it,

[4:19:17] Voice 12: Peter? And maybe just watch your volume a little bit there and speak a little slower.

[4:19:24] Voice 4: It's self-explanatory. The only quibble I have is that it actually isn't drug overdoses.

[4:19:30] Voice 4: is it's unsafe drugs, poison, contaminated drugs.

[4:19:36] Voice 4: But this is a bill that has wide support

[4:19:39] Voice 4: and needs wide support

[4:19:41] Voice 4: because it's a private member's bill

[4:19:43] Voice 4: that doesn't usually get very far.

[4:19:45] Voice 4: But this particular member of parliament

[4:19:48] Voice 4: has been very successful so far

[4:19:50] Voice 4: in capturing the imagination of members

[4:19:56] Voice 4: and getting bills through.

[4:19:59] Voice 12: Okay. Thank you, sir.

[4:20:00] Voice 12: anything from the seconder no okay any discussion uh through alan fast yeah

[4:20:08] Trustee Fast: i can't uh help but ask

[4:20:11] Trustee Fast: um how closely this relates to our mandate and are we straying outside of our

[4:20:16] Trustee Fast: purpose um to preserve and protect a unique uh island um whatever it is sorry

[4:20:28] Voice 12: Okay, good question. Does the mover have any comment there?

[4:20:32] Voice 4: It's definitely outside the mandate. We do have some drug users in the trust area.

[4:20:40] Voice 12: Fair enough. And that impacts the emergency services. I can tell you, I can vouch for that.

[4:20:46] Voice 12: Yeah. Okay. Any further discussion? Then I'll call for a vote on this motion.

[4:20:53] Voice 12: sorry

[4:20:53] Trustee Morrison: I have my hand up oh

[4:20:55] Voice 12: okay go ahead uh and after Janine Dodds had her hand up there

[4:21:00] Voice 12: I don't know if she's able to rejoin us or not but Deb Morrison over to you thank

[4:21:07] Trustee Morrison: you um while

[4:21:08] Trustee Morrison: I agree the that this is important I um emergency services themselves are also not within our

[4:21:16] Trustee Morrison: mandate in the trust per se they are a regional district um activity and so I just I do agree

[4:21:23] Trustee Morrison: that we need to do these things and if individual trust councils want to do that on a local

[4:21:27] Trustee Morrison: government direction i think that's fine trust council i don't think um should be doing this

[4:21:33] Voice 12: okay thank you um some emergency services are actually improvement districts within the

[4:21:40] Voice 12: construct of the islands not within the islands trust mandate however you're right um any other

[4:21:46] Voice 12: conversation here janine dodds were you wanting to address council no okay so grant scott and then

[4:21:53] Voice 12: dan rogers thank

[4:21:56] Voice 30: you i just like to say that people are part of ecosystem-based management

[4:21:59] Voice 30: we are part of uh the whole island's trust preserve and protect and i think an advocacy

[4:22:07] Voice 30: letter like this is very appropriate from us so i support the motion thank you

[4:22:11] Voice 5: dan rogers i agree

[4:22:18] Voice 5: sorry i agree with trustee morrison i don't i think it's just too far outside our work fair

[4:22:24] Voice 12: fair enough any others again uh janine your hand is gone and grant you'll have to lower your hand

[4:22:32] Voice 12: thank you any other remarks then i'll call the vote all those in favor all

[4:22:43] Voice 15: those in favor hands

[4:22:44] Voice 15: up and four online and those opposed and

[4:23:04] Voice 7: so how does that go can

[4:23:12] Trustee Morrison: we confirm that my vote was seen

[4:23:21] Voice 12: did we catch i think it was but um unless i actually recall the vote i no way for me to

[4:23:27] Voice 12: determine at this time because everybody else's hands are down um but if we want to so was that

[4:23:34] Voice 12: did it pass okay okay and did you how many were yeah yeah so there's a maybe we'll just have to

[4:23:53] Voice 12: call this vote again um to be sure um so i'm going to ask for all those in favor oh

[4:24:04] Voice 15: i get the yeah

[4:24:05] Voice 7: sorry one two three

[4:24:06] Voice 7: four okay

[4:24:24] Voice 12: so it's not a majority so um because

[4:24:30] Trustee Busheikin: we have this habit of

[4:24:31] Trustee Busheikin: people abstaining i think we need to go through the whole process because there could be people

[4:24:37] Trustee Busheikin: who haven't put their hand up and

[4:24:38] Voice 12: won't do it for now

[4:24:39] Voice 12: ask for those that have are opposed so

[4:24:45] Voice 12: So call now.

[4:24:46] Voice 12: So that's nine in favor.

[4:24:49] Voice 15: Call for those opposed.

[4:25:06] Voice 15: Eight opposed?

[4:25:07] Voice 15: The numbers have changed.

[4:25:16] Voice 15: So now then, it carries.

[4:25:24] Voice 15: Because there's 20 people in the room.

[4:25:36] Voice 12: Say again?

[4:25:39] Voice 12: So I think we know how many people are physically in the room.

[4:25:42] Voice 12: What we don't know is how many people are actually electronically in the room.

[4:25:46] Voice 12: Because they may or may not be visible.

[4:25:53] Voice 4: So

[4:25:54] Voice 12: what I'd like to ask then, just to confirm our numbers here, is can I get everybody that's

[4:26:00] Voice 12: joining us virtually to raise your hand right now so that we know that you are with us?

[4:26:09] Voice 12: And if I don't see a raised hand, then I'm going to have to assume that you are not listening.

[4:26:17] Voice 12: And that's not meant to be disrespectful.

[4:26:19] Voice 12: respectful so we have one two three four five people joining us online and

[4:26:27] Voice 15: so do the numbers

[4:26:28] Voice 15: add up okay and the vote

[4:26:41] Voice 12: was nine to eight which is 17 so there's one abstain so it draws

[4:26:52] Voice 12: i say okay so then it carries all right there we go hopefully that uh meets everybody's

[4:27:07] Voice 12: needs there and our process um okay so back to correspondence uh the stuff that's on the agenda

[4:27:16] Voice 12: and the in the addendum is there any further action with any of the correspondence and i'm

[4:27:22] Voice 12: watching online here not seeing any hands not no hands in the room so then all of the remaining

[4:27:30] Voice 12: correspondence will be received for information and i thank all of those people for writing to us

[4:27:37] Voice 12: so um here we are amazing at 121.

[4:27:41] Trustee Morrison: trustee johnson has his hand up

[4:27:45] Voice 12: okay so uh trustee johnson with respect to correspondence very

[4:27:52] Voice 4: brief i i gain requests

[4:27:54] Voice 4: that people look at uh ex-trustee law's letter in the addendum to the agenda package closed

[4:28:04] Voice 12: um i'm sorry i was being distracted there trustee johnson can you tell it say that again

[4:28:09] Voice 4: please read trustee law's letter ex-trustee law's letter that's in the addendum package it's about

[4:28:16] Voice 4: the uh the uh policy statement and has what i think is a really good suggestion for simplifying

[4:28:24] Voice 4: it and making it better okay

[4:28:27] Voice 12: so thank you so just want to note here it was brought to my attention

[4:28:31] Voice 12: there there was a closed meeting uh agenda item um that was part of our agenda however the the only

[4:28:40] Voice 12: only matter to be discussed there's staff matters and I will just and at this point we don't have

[4:28:46] Voice 12: anything necessarily to report out from the CAO and so we just simply ask that is there anything

[4:28:53] Voice 12: that somebody needs to bring to our attention that you couldn't do by phoning the CAO or myself

[4:28:59] Voice 12: with respect to staff probably the CAO actually that we need to go in camera for all right so

[4:29:09] Voice 12: So then I'm not going to do the in-camera thing.

[4:29:12] Voice 12: So then, so the next item on our agenda is the next meeting, which is in June electronically, 21 to 23.

[4:29:23] Voice 12: And I'll just ask now, formally, is there any other business or communication from trustees?

[4:29:31] Voice 12: Okay, I want to make sure I get everybody online.

[4:29:38] Voice 12: I'm not seeing anything in the room either.

[4:29:41] Voice 12: there council i want to thank you very much for your fortitude and your debate and um so grateful

[4:29:49] Voice 12: that we've gotten through the uh budget session thank you very much and i'll call for the meeting

[4:29:53] Voice 12: to be adjourned all those in favor any opposed

[4:30:00] Voice 12: I didn't think so.

[4:30:01] Voice 12: Thank you very much.

[4:30:02] Voice 12: And thank you for you folks online.

[4:30:05] Voice 12: Janine, nice to see you there again also.

[4:30:09] Voice 12: Certainly these hybrid meetings are challenging.

[4:30:12] Voice 12: We're learning as we go.

[4:30:14] Voice 12: And thank you for your patience.

[4:30:16] Voice 19: And thank you for talking to me.

[4:30:26] Voice 7: Thank you.